SO IS OUR COMPUTER SYSTEM HERE? IT IS. NOW IT'S 1:06 P.M.
[Finance Committee on December 9, 2025.]
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ON DECEMBER 9TH, 2025. I CALLED THIS MEETING OF THE COMMITTEE ON FINANCE TO ORDER.THE 1ST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF THE NOVEMBER 4TH, 2025 MINUTES.
I HEARD A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. NEXT ITEM IS THE APPROVAL OF THE NOVEMBER 3RD, 2025 SPECIAL CALLED JOINT MEETING OF THE COMMITTEE ON FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? SO MOVED. SECOND. MOTION AND A COUPLE OF SECONDS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES.
ALL RIGHT. I DO NOT THINK. AND EVERY TIME I SAY THIS, I REGRET IT BECAUSE IT USUALLY JINX US.
BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A VERY LONG MEETING. WE GOT ONE BRIEFING ITEM A BUNCH OF INTERESTING BRIEFING MEMORANDUMS. I WILL TELL YOU THAT, WE DO NOT HAVE AN UPDATE FROM STAFF ON CLOSED SESSION ITEM O, AS IN OSCAR.
SO THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE THAT ITEM UP TODAY.
AND ON ITEM N, AS IN NOVEMBER STAFF HAS INFORMED ME THAT THE CITY MANAGER IS NEGOTIATING A REVISED AGREEMENT WITH THE THANKS-GIVING SQUARE FOUNDATION.
SO THERE'S NOT A LOT TO TALK ABOUT TODAY. IF IF IF Y'ALL WANT TO HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS, WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THAT.
BUT IF WE'RE OKAY WAITING UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING, WE'LL HAVE A MORE THOROUGH.
SO THAT'S JUST A LITTLE, LITTLE HEADS UP ON THAT.
OKAY. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'LL GO TO BRIEFING ITEM A, SANITATION SERVICES AND CODE COMPLIANCE UPDATE ON THE USE OF CAMERAS AND ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. THIS BRIEFING DID COME TO CHAIRMAN GRACEY'S QUALITY OF LIFE COMMITTEE.
AND WAS IT WAS THERE AS A AS A MEMO ITEM. AND WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCUSSION THERE AND THERE WAS SOME FOLLOW UP, AND I WANTED TO GIVE STAFF AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
AND THIS ALSO INVOLVES A PRETTY BIG FINANCIAL CONTRACT.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO STAFF.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRIEF YOU TODAY ON THE USE OF AI POWERED CAMERA TECHNOLOGY ON SANITATION, BRUSH AND BULKY WASTE COLLECTION VEHICLES. TODAY'S BRIEFING WILL COVER OUR PURPOSES.
DETAILS ON HOW THE TECHNOLOGY WORKS. CONTRACT TERMS AND OPERATIONAL IMPACTS.
NEXT SLIDE. THE CAMERAS WILL ASSIST SANITATION WITH BETTER VISIBILITY INTO OUR BRUSH AND BULKY ITEM COLLECTION, PROGRAM PARTICIPATION, AND ALIGNMENT OF EQUIPMENT AND STAFF RESOURCES.
I'LL NOW TURN IT OVER TO DIRECTOR CHRIS CHRISTIAN TO CONTINUE THE BRIEFING.
CHRIS CHRISTIAN, DIRECTOR OF COMPLIANCE SERVICES, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
ALSO TO FINISH THAT LAST BULLET ON THAT PAGE WITH BETTER DATA.
WE ALSO HOPE TO MAINTAIN OUR 80% OR BETTER VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE RATE WITH THE USE OF THIS TOOL.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. FOCUSING ON HOW THE EQUIPMENT WILL ACTUALLY WORK.
AT TYPICAL OPERATING SPEEDS, WHAT THE CAMERAS WILL CAPTURE THESE CAMERAS ONLY CAPTURE WHAT IS VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, GIVING US CONSISTENT CITYWIDE VISIBILITY AND TO CURBSIDE CONDITIONS EVERY MONTH.
THE IMAGES ARE PROCESSED THROUGH CITY TO TEXT SOFTWARE, WHICH USES COMPUTER VISION TO FLAG POTENTIAL ISSUES LIKE DEBRIS FIELDS, BULKY SET OUTS OR OTHER VISIBLE CONDITIONS. STAFF LOG INTO A SECURE PORTAL WHERE THEY CAN REVIEW IMAGES, SORT DETECTIONS, AND FILTER BY LOCATION OR CATEGORY.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THESE CAMERAS ARE MOUNTED ON THE SIDES OF THE BRUSH TRUCKS AND TAKE STILL PHOTOS AS THE VEHICLE TRAVELS ALONG ITS NORMAL ROUTE.
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THE PHOTOS ONLY INCLUDE WHAT IS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, NOTHING BEYOND WHAT SOMEONE COULD SEE WHILE PASSING BY.ALL PHOTOS AND DETECTION RESULTS TRANSFER AUTOMATICALLY FROM THE CAMERA TO THE SECURE CLOUD PLATFORM, WITH NO MANUAL HANDLING REQUIRED FROM DRIVERS OR FIELD STAFF.
THE CAMERAS ONLY CAPTURE WHAT IS NATURALLY IN VIEW.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. WHAT THE SOFTWARE DETECTS.
THE SOFTWARE REVIEWS EACH IMAGE AND FLAGS VISIBLE CONDITIONS SUCH AS BULKY TRASH PARTICIPATION, HIGH GRASS TRASH TIRES, GRAFFITI, ILLEGAL DUMPING, AND BOARDED UP STRUCTURES.
THESE DETECTIONS GIVE US A CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR COMMUNITIES EACH MONTH.
BEYOND DETECTION, THE SYSTEM CAN ANALYZE TRENDS THINGS LIKE HOUSING CONDITION INDICATORS, OBJECT LEVEL INSIGHTS, AND HOW CONDITIONS CHANGE OVER TIME ON SPECIFIC PARCELS.
THIS CONSOLIDATED VIEW HELPS STAFF PRIORITIZE WORK AREAS, COORDINATE ABATEMENT ACTIVITIES, AND BETTER PLAN PROACTIVE SANITATION AND CODE EFFORTS.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THE SYSTEM INCLUDES A SECURE WEB PORTAL WHERE STAFF CAN REVIEW IMAGES, DETECTIONS AND PARTIAL CONDITIONS ALL IN ONE PLACE. STAFF CAN SEARCH ACROSS PROPERTIES USING A GIS STYLE MAP.
IT ALSO INCLUDES WORKFLOW FEATURES. STAFF CAN CREATE TASK LISTS, ASSIGN ITEMS FOR FOLLOW UP, AND TRACK PROGRESS THROUGH THE SYSTEM. OVERALL, IT REDUCES MANUAL SEARCHING ACROSS MULTIPLE SYSTEMS AND GIVES OUR TEAMS A CLEAR, ORGANIZED VIEW OF WHAT NEEDS ATTENTION. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE CONTRACT. THE CONTRACT IS STRUCTURED AS A FULLY INCLUSIVE SERVICE AGREEMENT.
IT COVERS THE CAMERAS, INSTALLATION, SOFTWARE, MAINTENANCE, WARRANTY AND REPLACEMENT SUPPORT EVERYTHING REQUIRED FOR THE SYSTEM TO OPERATE. IT IS A 3 YEAR CONTRACT TOTALING APPROXIMATELY $2.56 MILLION.
BUT LIKE ALL MAJOR CONTRACTS, IT REMAINS SUBJECT TO ANNUAL CITY COUNCIL APPROPRIATIONS.
THE YEARLY COST IS $852,000, WHICH INCLUDES ALL 100 CAMERAS.
ALL SUPPORTING TECHNOLOGY, DATA SERVICES, MAINTENANCE, AND WARRANTY COVERAGE.
THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL HITTING, HIDDEN FEES OR COST PER UNIT.
THE CITY RETAINS THE RIGHT TO TERMINATE THE CONTRACT AT ANY TIME WITHIN 10 DAYS NOTICE, WRITTEN NOTICE, AND WITHOUT PENALTY. THIS PROVIDES MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY IF PRIORITIES OR NEEDS CHANGE.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THIS IS NOT A HARDWARE PURCHASE MODEL.
INSTEAD OF OWNING EQUIPMENT WE WOULD LATER HAVE TO SERVICE OURSELVES.
THIS MODEL GIVES US PREDICTABLE ANNUAL COSTS, FULLY MANAGED SUPPORT, AND ENSURES THE SYSTEM REMAINS UP TO DATE AND FUNCTIONAL FOR THE DURATION OF THE CONTRACT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 1 OF THE BIGGEST STRENGTHS OF THIS SYSTEM IS THAT IT CAPTURES IMAGES PASSIVELY AS THE BRUSH TRUCKS RUN THEIR NORMAL ROUTES.
THERE IS NO ADDED DRIVING, NO EXTRA INSPECTIONS, AND NO CHANGE IN FIELD OPERATIONS.
EACH IMAGE AUTOMATICALLY BECOMES A MAP DATA POINT.
THE SYSTEM ANALYZES IT FOR VISIBLE ISSUES AND PRIORITIZES WHAT NEEDS ATTENTION, WHAT DRAMATICALLY SPEEDS UP, WHICH DRAMATICALLY SPEEDS UP HOW WE IDENTIFY AND ADDRESS CONDITIONS ACROSS THE CITY.
THIS PROVIDES BOTH DEPARTMENTS WITH A CONSISTENT CITYWIDE PICTURE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE GROUND, ALLOWING US TO RESPOND FASTER, PLAN ROUTES BETTER, AND MAKE MORE INFORMED OPERATIONAL DECISIONS.
THIS DIRECTLY SUPPORTS IMPROVEMENTS IN BRUSH PARTICIPATION, MONITORING, ILLEGAL DUMPING RESPONSE, PROPERTY CONDITION TRACKING, AND CITYWIDE ABATEMENT EFFORTS.
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BY AUTOMATING THE DETECTION AND MAPPING PROCESS, STAFF SPEND LESS TIME SEARCHING FOR ISSUES AND MORE TIME FOCUSING ON HIGH PRIORITY CASES AND DIRECT SERVICE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THE DASHBOARDS ALLOW STAFF TO SEE DETECTIONS IN REAL TIME, EVERYTHING FROM DEBRIS AND ILLEGAL DUMPING TO GRAFFITI AND OTHER POSSIBLE OTHER VISIBLE PROPERTY CONDITIONS.DEPARTMENTS CAN FILTER BY SEVERITY. LOCATION, COUNCIL, DISTRICT OR ISSUE TYPE.
THIS HELPS TEAMS BUILD IMMEDIATE ACTION PLANS TAILORED TO THE NEEDS OF EACH AREA.
THIS CENTRALIZED VIEW SUPPORTS COORDINATED WORK BETWEEN SANITATION, CODE COMPLIANCE AND OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS, ENSURING WE'RE ALL RESPONDING TO THE SAME INFORMATION.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 1 OF THE BIGGEST ADVANTAGES THAT THIS SYSTEM GIVES US IS MONTHLY COVERAGE OF EVERY PARCEL IN THE CITY, SOMETHING WE'VE NEVER HAD BEFORE. THROUGH MANUAL INSPECTIONS WITH CONSISTENT DATA, WE CAN BETTER PLAN BRUSH ROUTES, ALIGN STAFFING LEVELS WITH ACTUAL DEMAND, AND AVOID SENDING CREWS INTO AREAS THAT DON'T NEED SERVICE.
THE INSIGHTS HELP US RESPOND FASTER TO BLIGHT, DEBRIS AND ILLEGAL DUMPING BECAUSE ISSUES ARE IDENTIFIED IMMEDIATELY RATHER THAN WEEKS LATER, AND WITH EARLIER IDENTIFICATION AND MORE TARGETED OUTREACH, WE EXPECT VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE TO IMPROVE, REDUCING THE NEED FOR ENFORCEMENT AND ALLOWING EDUCATION TO PLAY A STRONGER ROLE.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. WHAT THIS TECHNOLOGY IS, THIS SYSTEM IS A PROACTIVE TOOL THAT HELPS US DETECT VISIBLE PROPERTY CONDITIONS ACROSS THE CITY.
THE THE CAMERAS ONLY CAPTURE WHAT IS VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'D SEE THROUGH GOOGLE STREET VIEW.
NOTHING BEYOND THAT IS COLLECTED. WHAT THE TECHNOLOGY IS NOT.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO CLARIFY WHAT THIS SYSTEM IS NOT.
IT DOES NOT REPLACE STAFF. IT DOES NOT ISSUE AUTOMATED CITATIONS.
THERE IS ALWAYS A STAFF MEMBER REVIEWING DETECTIONS BEFORE ANY DECISION OR ACTION IS TAKEN.
IT IS ALSO NOT A PUBLIC SAFETY SURVEILLANCESYSTEM.
THE TOOL IS BUILT SPECIFICALLY FOR SANITATION AND CODE COMPLIANCE OPERATIONS AND TO ENSURE PRIVACY.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. IN SUMMARY, THE TECHNOLOGY GIVES BOTH DEPARTMENTS BETTER VISIBILITY INTO WHAT'S HAPPENING ACROSS THE CITY, WHICH DIRECTLY IMPROVES SAFETY, CLEANLINESS, AND OVERALL EFFICIENCY OF OUR SERVICES.
BY AUTOMATING THE CAPTURE AND ORGANIZATION OF CURBSIDE CONDITIONS, WE CAN DEPLOY STAFF AND EQUIPMENT MORE STRATEGICALLY AND REDUCE UNNECESSARY, UNNECESSARY MILEAGE AND MANUAL INSPECTIONS. AS A RESULT, WE SEE POTENTIAL FOR LONG TERM OPERATIONAL COST REDUCTIONS DRIVEN BY SMARTER ROUTING, EARLIER IDENTIFICATION OF ISSUES, AND MORE TARGETED USE OF RESOURCES.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THIS ITEM WILL BE CONSIDERED ON THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA ON TOMORROW, DECEMBER 10TH. UPON APPROVAL, WE ARE PREPARED TO MOVE FORWARD IMMEDIATELY WITH ORDERING HARDWARE, INSTALLING THE CAMERAS, AND TRAINING OUR EXISTING STAFF.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, THIS CONCLUDES OUR FORMAL PRESENTATION AND HOW IT WILL SUPPORT DALLAS IN DELIVERING CLEANER, SAFER AND MORE EFFICIENT SERVICES.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION WILL REMAIN FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
THANK YOU, DIRECTOR, AND THANKS FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.
THANK YOU, CHAIR WEST. SO I AM IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY.
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BY THESE PROPERTIES EVERY SINGLE WEEK. IT'S JUST IT'S PHENOMENAL.BUT AS ALWAYS, I'M ALWAYS INTERESTED IN HOW IS THE RESIDENT GOING TO EXPERIENCE THIS? SO ARE THEY GOING TO GET AN EMAIL THAT SAYS THERE WAS BULKY TRASH OUT IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE? I MEAN, AND DO THEY GET A PICTURE OF DID THEY GET A COPY OF THAT PICTURE? JUST KIND OF WALK ME THROUGH, YOU KNOW. CATHY STEWART LEAVES IT, PUTS HER BULKY TRASH OUT REALLY EARLY.
WHAT? AND, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY SANITATION CAMERA PICKS UP ON THAT.
HOW DO I GET NOTICED THAT I NEED TO DO SOMETHING? SURE. THAT'S A FANTASTIC QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.
AND WHAT WE AIM TO DO IS FOR THE DETECTIONS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE WEB PORTAL.
WHEN WE LOG IN OUR CODE, OFFICERS WILL REVIEW ALL DETECTIONS.
IF WE SEE THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE. OUR GOAL PRIMARILY IS TO SEND AN EDUCATIONAL NOTICE OUT.
SO BASICALLY EDUCATIONAL NOTICE TO LET THE RESIDENT KNOW, HEY IT'S BEEN DETERMINED THAT THERE COULD BE AN ISSUE AT THIS LOCATION, PROBABLY INCLUDING A COPY OF THE DETECTION PHOTO, AND GIVE THEM A PERIOD OF TIME TO RESOLVE THAT ISSUE ON THEIR OWN VOLUNTARILY.
WE'RE ABLE TO MONITOR PROPERTIES OVER TIME. SO IF THAT SAME ISSUE WERE TO POP UP AGAIN ON THE NEXT DETECTION, THEN WE WOULD KNOW THAT THAT PROPERTY OWNER DID NOT DO ANYTHING TO RESOLVE FROM THE EDUCATIONAL STANDPOINT.
AND SO AT THAT TIME, WE MAY DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN ACTUAL CODE OFFICER GOING OUT TO THE LOCATION AND PERFORMING AN IN-PERSON INSPECTION TO SEE IF THE ISSUE IS RESOLVED OR NOT.
IF IT'S NOT, THEN WE WOULD THEN JUST FOLLOW OUR TRADITIONAL PROCESS.
OKAY. AND EDUCATIONAL NOTICE IS A LETTER OR IT'S A LETTER.
IT'S A LETTER. YEAH. OKAY. AND I DO THINK THAT YOU PROBABLY WILL GET THESE PROPERTIES WHERE THAT PICTURE, THE SAME PICTURE MAY COME UP WEEK AFTER WEEK AFTER WEEK.
SO I'M GLAD TO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, FIRST LINE OF EFFORT IS TO GET THE LETTER OUT.
YES, MA'AM. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW.
THANK YOU. CHAIR. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN GRACEY.
THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
I THINK A FEW OF US WERE IN NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES CONFERENCE IN UTAH THIS PAST WEEKEND.
I GOT A CHANCE TO KIND OF BRAG A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS RESOURCE BECAUSE WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE CITIES DOING TO ADDRESS THESE KIND OF THINGS, I GOT TO TALK ABOUT THIS. AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF FOLKS I THINK MAY HAVE BEEN A ELECTED OFFICIAL FROM BENTONVILLE, ARKANSAS, ALL OVER THE PLACE, BUT THEY WERE REALLY IMPRESSED WITH IT. AND I WAS ACTUALLY PROUD TO BE ABLE TO SAY, WE'RE USING TECHNOLOGY.
AND IT WAS AN AI DISCUSSION, AND HOW ARE WE USING IT? AND SO ONE, I AM SUPPORTING IT FOR FOR THIS MAN.
AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE CONCERNS THAT RESIDENTS HAVE.
AND THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT. YOU SAID THAT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT RECORDING, BUT HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE TECHNOLOGY IN THAT AS IT'S DRIVING DOWN THE STREET. WHAT HOW DOES THE NOTIFICATION GET TRIGGERED? AND THEN IF IT'S NOT RECORDING, IT JUST KNOWS TO TAKE THAT PICTURE.
HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WINDOW. AND HOW LONG IS THAT FROM THE TIME.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A TRIGGER NOW. OKAY, THE CAMERA COMES ON, TAKES A SHOT, GOES OFF, OR HELP ME KIND OF UNDERSTAND THAT SO THAT RESIDENTS CAN SEE WHAT THAT SNAPSHOT LOOKS LIKE. THAT'S A FANTASTIC QUESTION.
COUNCIL MEMBER. AND I'LL TRY TO EXPLAIN THIS AS BEST AS I CAN.
SO THE CAMERA IS IS PROGRAMED TO UNDERSTAND THE STARTING POINT OF A PARCEL.
SO IT'LL TAKE A PHOTO OF THE PARCEL. ONCE IT HAS THAT PHOTO, THEN COMPUTER VISION AI TECHNOLOGY ANALYZES THAT PHOTO FOR DEGRADATIONS OR CODE VIOLATIONS, WHETHER IT BE HIGH WEEDS, BULKY TRASH, ILLEGAL DUMPING, A TARP ON THE ROOF, BOARDED UP DOORS OR WINDOWS. THE CAMERA IS TRAINED THROUGH COMPUTER VISION AI TO ANALYZE THAT PHOTO AND EXTRACT THAT DATA AND PULL IT OUT.
NOW THE THE CAMERAS TAKE RAPID PHOTOS IN SUCCESSION.
OKAY. AND SO A LOT OF THOSE PHOTOS MAY NOT BE USEFUL.
THEY'LL BE BLURRY. THEY'LL BE MOVING TOO FAST.
BUT THERE WILL BE A PERFECT PHOTO OF THE PARCEL AND THE VIOLATIONS IN QUESTION.
SO BUT IT'S TAKING A PICTURE OF EVERY PROPERTY, EVERY PARCEL.
GOT IT. OKAY. AND AND IT ALSO DETECTS VIOLATIONS JUST THROUGH OUR DETECTIONS.
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IT WILL DETECT THOSE, THOSE AS WELL. OKAY. NOW REMIND ME, IS THIS A ON THESE PARTICULAR VEHICLES, IS THIS THE WEEKLY OR THE MONTHLY BULK TRASH.OKAY, SO THAT'S THE OTHER DISTINGUISHING BECAUSE ORIGINALLY I WAS THINKING IT WAS ON A I THINK I MAY HAVE SAID IN UTAH IT WAS ON THE TRASH TRUCKS OR SOMETHING, SO THAT IT'S COMING EVERY WEEK, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY ON THE BULKY TRASH PICKUP THAT COMES ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
SO TO GO THROUGH AND IN THIS CASE, LIKE MISS STEWART WAS SAYING IT WOULD, IT WOULD INITIALLY IF THERE'S A VIOLATION, IT WOULD ISSUE A LETTER. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, IT WON'T DO ANYTHING.
WE'D REVIEW IT, WE REVIEW THE DETECTION, WE'D LOOK AT THE PHOTO.
WE WOULD ENSURE THAT THE PHOTO AND WHAT IS BEING DETECTED IN THE PHOTO AS BEING AN ISSUE IS CORRECT.
AND WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE IT IN THE PHOTO AS WELL.
AND FROM THAT POINT WE WOULD ISSUE AN EDUCATIONAL NOTICE.
WINDOW CODE. YOUR CODE OFFICERS ARE OUT AND ABOUT TO.
WILL THIS BE SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WILL BE INSTRUCTING? HEY, YOU MIND GOING, YOU KNOW, RIDE BY THERE TO SEE OR ANY OF THOSE THINGS? OR IS IT REALLY WE TAKE IT, WE NOTICE IT THIS MONTH.
WE COME BACK, IT'S STILL THERE ANOTHER MONTH.
SO THEN WE TELL CODE OFFICERS, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SORT OF CLOSE THAT WINDOW IN THAT 2 MONTHS ESSENTIALLY OF BEFORE SOMEBODY ACTUALLY GETS NOTICED OR OR EDUCATED OR EVEN TICKETED? ABSOLUTELY.
I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION, BECAUSE WE PLAN TO TRIAGE THESE DETECTIONS INTERNALLY.
AND SO FOR SOMETHING LIKE ILLEGAL DUMPING, WE'RE GOING TO GO ADDRESS THAT RIGHT AWAY.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO WAIT 30 DAYS TO TO GO OUT.
WE'RE GOING TO SEND AN ABATEMENT TEAM OUT. WE'RE GOING TO GO PICK IT UP AND GET IT RESOLVED.
IF WE SEE AN OPEN AND VACANT STRUCTURE. RIGHT.
THOSE HAVE A 24 TO 48 HOUR TURNAROUND TIME. THEY HAVE TO BE BOARDED UP PER THE CITY CODE.
AND WE HAVE TEAMS INTERNALLY THAT PERFORM THAT WORK.
AND SO FOR OPEN AND VACANT STRUCTURES, WE SEE ONE OF THOSE.
WE'RE SENDING A TEAM OUT RIGHT AWAY. WE'RE GOING TO GO RESOLVE IT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO TRIAGE THESE DETECTIONS AND WE'RE GOING TO RESPOND TO THEM BASED ON THE PRIORITY OF THE HAZARD OR THE ISSUE TO IF IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE OR A LIFE HAZARD OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE, WE'RE GOING TO RESPOND RIGHT AWAY. IF IT'S SOMETHING LIKE PEELING PAINT ON A HOUSE, YEAH, WE MAY WAIT TILL THE NEXT TRUCK GOES BY TO DETERMINE HOW WE PROCEED.
OKAY, LAST QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'LL BE DONE.
WILL THIS WILL THIS DATA HAVE THE ABILITY TO OVERLAP WITH 311 REQUEST TOO.
SO. I FORGOT WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THE QUESTION.
SHOOT, I TALKED TOO MUCH. I THINK I WAS TRYING TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN.
IS THAT ALL PART OF THAT TRIAGING THAT YOU MENTIONED? IT IS IN A WAY. AND SO THE THE WEB PLATFORM THAT THIS DATA WOULD BE HOUSED IN IS A SECURE WEB PLATFORM THAT WE WOULD HAVE LICENSED USERS THAT HAVE ACCESS TO IN BOTH CODE COMPLIANCE AND THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT, OUR CODE OFFICERS AND SANITATION STAFF, WHEN WE REVIEW AND TRIAGE THOSE CASES, IF WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN ILLEGAL DUMPING ABATEMENT OR A OPEN AND VACANT STRUCTURE ABATEMENT, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THOSE ITEMS INTO SALESFORCE, INTO OUR 311 SYSTEM, AND WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE IT LIKE OUR TRADITIONAL CASE FLOW.
AND SO THE DETECTIONS WILL SIT IN THE WEB BASED PLATFORM FOR OUR OFFICERS TO REVIEW AND PROCESS UNTIL WE DECIDE WHAT NEXT STEPS WE'RE GOING TO TAKE. AND ONCE WE MAKE THAT DECISION, IT'LL MOVE INTO OUR 311 SYSTEM AND WE'LL FOLLOW OUR STANDARD CASE PROTOCOLS.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER RESENDEZ.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AND THANK YOU ALL FOR THE PRESENTATION. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
GENERALLY SPEAKING, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE YOU KNOW, WHAT Y'ALL ARE WANTING TO DO.
BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PRIVACY PROTECTION AND DATA OWNERSHIP.
WHO OWNS THE DATA AND WHO HAS THE LEGAL RIGHT TO USE IT? SO THE CITY OF DALLAS OWNS OUR DATA. IT'S A SHARED OWNERSHIP OF THE DATA THAT'S IN THE WEB BASED PLATFORM THAT THE CITY DETECT CAMERAS
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COLLECT, WHICH IS JUST GOOGLE STREET VIEW PHOTOS.REALLY OF PARCELS AND AND DETECTIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
WITH THAT WE MOVE FROM THEIR SYSTEM INTO OUR SALESFORCE SYSTEM.
WE OWN SOLI. WHO OKAY, WHO WOULD IT BE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE DATA.
SO IT WOULD BE LICENSED USERS FROM THE CODE COMPLIANCE DEPARTMENT THAT WE SELECT.
AND THERE WILL BE LICENSED USERS FROM THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT THAT CLIFF SELECTS.
DOES THE VENDOR HAVE ANY RIGHT TO RETAIN OR USE THE DATA? THE VENDOR HAS A RIGHT TO RETAIN AND USE THE DATA TO TO FURTHER TRAIN THEIR MODELS TO, TO ENHANCE THE THE CAPABILITIES OF THE CAMERAS SO THAT THEY CAN GET SMARTER AND BETTER AND SERVE US BETTER. AND SO THEY DO HAVE ACCESS TO USE THOSE PHOTOS TO CONTINUE TRAINING AND ENHANCING THEIR THEIR CAMERAS.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT. THERE'S NO REAL NEED FOR IT.
OKAY. ARE THERE ANY SAFEGUARDS THAT EXIST TO PREVENT THE DATA FROM BEING USED FOR PURPOSES OUTSIDE OF SANITATION AND CODE ENFORCEMENT, SUCH AS GENERAL SURVEILLANCE, IMMIGRATION CHECKS, OR LAW ENFORCEMENT INVESTIGATIONS? THAT'S A FANTASTIC QUESTION. AND COUNCIL MEMBER RESENDEZ, I'M GONNA SAY THAT THERE ARE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE, BUT I WANT TO ALSO ASK TANISHA TO PROBABLY JUMP IN AND SPEAK TO MAYBE THE ITS REVIEW AND KIND OF WHAT WENT ON IN THAT PROCESS.
THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. TANISHA DORSEY, INTERIM CIO WITH ITS OUR INTERNAL SECURITY TEAM, DID A REVIEW OF THE VENDORS SECURITY PROTOCOL AND ENSURE THAT IT MEETS WITH THE CITY STANDARDS.
AND THAT'S A CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION. YES. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. OKAY. I APPRECIATE THOSE THOSE RESPONSES.
AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF MOVING FORWARD WITH WITH THIS ITEM.
I THINK IT WILL HELP US DELIVER CLEANER, SAFER NEIGHBORHOODS ESPECIALLY IN AREAS THAT HAVE BATTLED, YOU KNOW, THESE TYPES OF ISSUES FOR DECADES. YOU KNOW, IF USED RESPONSIBLY, AI IS A TOOL THAT HELPS US STRETCH TAXPAYER DOLLARS, SUPPORT OUR WORKFORCE, AND BRING REAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER RESENDEZ.
CHAIRMAN GRACEY OR NO. JOHNSON. NO. COUNCILMAN.
SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT. BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN WILLIS.
THANK YOU. SO YOU HAD NOTED THAT FINANCE HAS TECHNOLOGY UNDER IT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE FINANCE HAS TECHNOLOGY UNDER IT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AI OKAY I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE.
SO LIKE CHAIR GRACEY, I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BRAG A LITTLE BIT ON THIS.
LAST NIGHT, THERE WAS AN EVENT FOR THE NASDAQ BOARD IN DALLAS, AND THEIR CHIEF TECHNOLOGY OFFICER WAS HERE, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS AND JUST THE PREVALENCE OF AI AND THE GREAT USES FOR IT.
AND SO I WAS PROUD TO BE ABLE TO, TO SHARE THAT.
BUT AS I LOOKED AT THIS, IT SEEMS LIKE IT COMES DOWN TO ABOUT 17,000 A TRUCK.
YOU KNOW, AND ACROSS 50 TRUCKS, 100 CAMERAS, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S CORRECT. I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT THIS OUTLAY OF $17,000 A TRUCK, AND THEN YOU LOOK AT OUR 311 CALLS, WHICH ARE OVERWHELMINGLY FOR CODE. I MEAN, LAST YEAR, 4200.
THE NEXT LOWEST WAS 790. SO I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF CALLS COMING IN FOR CODE.
YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD NEIGHBORS BE ALARMED OF PEOPLE TAKING PICTURES OF THEIR HOUSE, AND IT TURNS OUT IT WAS A REALTOR, YOU KNOW, REALLY KIND OF MONITORING A STREET.
AND SO I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING I WOULD POINT PEOPLE TO, IS THAT THESE TRUCKS REALLY AREN'T GOING TO BE DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT FROM WHAT MAYBE A REALTOR COULD GO AND DO TO TAKE PICTURES OF THEIR HOME FROM THE STREET? BUT ONE QUESTION I HAD IS I'VE HAD A RESIDENT DEALING WITH A I GUESS THERE ARE ANNUAL FOLLOW UPS IF YOU GET CERTAIN KINDS OF CITATIONS AND THAT YOU CAN BE CITED IF YOU HAVE THIS VIOLATION AGAIN WITHIN THE YEAR.
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AND SO I'M THINKING THAT THIS WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO NOT HAVE TO CONTINUALLY SEND A REPRESENTATIVE OUT TO MONITOR THIS.THEY CAN JUST FLAG THAT. WILL IT LET YOU FLAG THAT ADDRESS FOR FOLLOW UP.
AND THEN WHEN THAT OCCURS THEY CAN GO OUT AND DEAL WITH IT.
YES, MA'AM. WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FOR THAT VERY REASON.
AS WELL AS OUR VACANT PROPERTY REGISTRATION PROGRAM.
WE HAVE A CITYWIDE VACANT PROPERTY REGISTRATION PROGRAM THAT'S LIVE IN CODE COMPLIANCE.
AND SO VACANT LOTS, VACANT STRUCTURES. IF YOU HAVE 2 UNRESOLVED CODE VIOLATIONS IN IN A CALENDAR YEAR, THEN YOU'RE SUBJECT TO A MANDATORY REGISTRATION REQUIREMENT THAT COMES IN A TIERED FEE STRUCTURE.
AND SO JUST GETTING A HANDLE ON SOME OF OUR ABSENTEE OWNERSHIP AS WELL, AND JUST SOME OF THE VACANT PROPERTIES THAT CREATE EGREGIOUS NUISANCE VIOLATIONS IN COMMUNITIES AND NEIGHBORHOODS, WE'RE THINKING IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE BENEFITS THAT WE IDENTIFY AND WHEN USING THIS SOFTWARE, ONCE WE GET IT INSTALLED AND DEPLOYED IN THE CITY.
SO WE'RE SAVING THE PEOPLE TIME OF HAVING TO GO BACK OUT AND TROLL THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OVER AND OVER AND OVER TO LOOK FOR THE VIOLATIONS THAT OKAY, WELL, THAT MAKES SENSE. AND THEN WHAT I REALLY LIKE ABOUT THIS IS ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE 311 NUMBERS, IS THAT IT LETS PEOPLE DO WHAT PEOPLE SHOULD DO, AND THAT IS ENGAGE IN THE HIGH TOUCH PEOPLE TO PEOPLE WORKING ON SOLUTIONS.
YOU TALK ABOUT EDUCATING. I KNOW WE ALL HAVE RESIDENTS WHO MAY HAVE HARDSHIPS, AND THAT'S WHY THEIR HOME MAY FALL INTO DISREPAIR OR THEY CAN'T, YOU KNOW, MOVE A PILE OF TRASH THAT SOMEONE ELSE MIGHT HAVE LEFT ON THEIR PROPERTY.
SO I TOO AM VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS DURING BUDGET.
THANK YOU ALL. WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
MY QUESTIONS HAVE STEMMED FROM JUST THE DATA SECURITY, MOSTLY, BUT MR. RESENDEZ BROUGHT UP SO. WELL SO THIS IS JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS A 3 YEAR TERM WITH THIS VENDOR IN WHICH DATA WILL BE STORED ON THEIR SERVER FOR THAT ENTIRE 3 YEAR PERIOD PLUS 90 DAYS AFTER THE CONTRACT ENDS, UNLESS WE EXTEND THE CONTRACT. THAT IS CORRECT.
OKAY. THAT IS HELPFUL TO KNOW. ARE THERE I KNOW MR. GRACEY MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS AT NLC AND THIS WAS SOMETHING OTHER CITIES ARE INTERESTED IN TOO.
AND WATCHING WHAT DALLAS IS DOING, ARE THERE OTHER CITIES WHO HAVE ALREADY ROLLED OUT THIS TECHNOLOGY? YES, SIR. THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER CITIES, I THINK 17 OR MORE I KNOW, STOCKTON, CALIFORNIA.
ATLANTA, GEORGIA. COLUMBUS, OHIO. THE THE CEO AND FOUNDER OF THE COMPANY IS ACTUALLY HERE IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY. HE'S HERE. AND IF YOU I MEAN, HE COULD PROBABLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION BETTER THAN I COULD.
WELL, I'VE SINCE LEFT WITH LIMITED TIME. I'LL KEEP YOU GUYS UP HERE.
BUT IF IT IF I REALLY NEED HIM, I'LL BRING HIM UP HERE.
THANK YOU FOR COMING. IF THAT'S. IS THAT YOU? OKAY, GREAT. OKAY. THE $2.56 MILLION CONTRACT.
IS THAT GENERAL FUNDS OR ENTERPRISE FUNDS? SANITATION OPERATION FUNDS.
SO IT ENDS UP BEING BILLED BACK TO OUR CUSTOMERS? YES, SIR. IT IS FUNDED THROUGH SANITATION. THE THE WE ARRIVED AT THAT LOOKING AT THE THE COST OF PROVIDING THE BRUSH AND BULKY ITEM COLLECTION SERVICE WHICH IS ABOUT $28 MILLION A YEAR. ACTUALLY, THIS YEAR WE'VE BROUGHT THAT NUMBER DOWN TO AROUND $26 MILLION, BUT THESE VEHICLES ARE DRIVING NEARLY A MILLION MILES A YEAR.
TO PROVIDE THIS SERVICE, AND WE KNOW IT CAN BE DONE MORE EFFICIENTLY.
THIS SERVICE WILL ALLOW US TO ESSENTIALLY DO THAT SURVEY EVERY MONTH ALLOWING OUR TEAMS TO GO BACK AND REALLY IDENTIFY AND HONE IN ON WHO'S PARTICIPATING, WHERE, WHAT TIMES OF THE YEAR SO THAT WE CAN MORE EFFICIENTLY ROUTE THOSE TRUCKS, WHICH IN TURN WILL PRODUCE SAVINGS, WHICH WE SEE AS THE SERVICE, AS POTENTIALLY PAYING FOR ITSELF IN RELATIVELY SHORT ORDER.
OKAY. THE TRASH TRUCKS, ARE THEY ALL CITY OPERATED OR DO WE HAVE SOME VENDORS? ALL CITY OWNED AND OPERATED VEHICLES. GOOD TO KNOW.
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LIKE LICENSE PLATE INFORMATION AND FACIAL RECOGNITION FACES.HOW DO WE DETERMINE WHAT SENSITIVE DATA IS? WHO MAKES THAT DETERMINATION? SO FOR US, AND AS THE SOFTWARE HAS BEEN PROPOSED TO ME, THE SENSITIVE DATA BEING REFERRED TO THE FACES AND THE LICENSE PLATES IS THE ONLY SENSITIVE DATA THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT THE CAMERAS ARE ABLE TO BLUR OR TO NOT INCLUDE.
IS THAT CORRECT? I'M LOOKING. DO YOU WANT TO COME? COME ON DOWN. IF YOU WOULD. AND JUST PLEASE YOU GOT TO HIT THE BUTTON THERE, AND THEN JUST GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND TELL US WHO YOU'RE WITH.
HOWEVER, IF THERE ARE OTHER SENSITIVE ISSUES OR KIND OF DETECTION TYPES THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE REMOVED, THAT'S A CAPABILITY THAT WE'RE ALWAYS ABLE TO ADD.
FOR THE RECORD, CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND TELL US WHO YOU'RE WITH? I'M GAVIN BLAKE, CEO AND CO-FOUNDER OF CITY DETECT.
THANK YOU. OKAY, SO IF THERE WAS A DETERMINATION AT SOME POINT BY COUNCIL THAT THERE'S A THAT THERE'S OTHER ITEMS THAT SHOULD BE BLURRED OUT, CAN THAT BE ADJUSTED ON THE SOFTWARE SYSTEM THAT CONTROLS THE AI CAMERAS? JUST LEAVE IT ON. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION. YES. THAT'S CORRECT. WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD.
HOWEVER, WE CAN BUILD OUT MODELS TO OBSCURE THAT.
OKAY, SO THE DATA THAT'S COLLECTED IS STORED ON THE SERVERS FOR THE VENDOR.
THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. LET'S LET'S TOUCH ON THAT FOR A MINUTE HERE.
WHO IN YOUR COMPANY CAN HAVE ACCESS TO THAT DATA? THE SOFTWARE ENGINEERS WHO ARE WORKING ON THE ACTUAL PRODUCT ITSELF.
JUST FOR PURPOSES OF SUPPORTING THE PLATFORM.
HOW MANY PEOPLE IS THAT? AND WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE? GENERALLY, THOSE ARE 3 MEMBERS OF THE ORGANIZATION ON THE SOFTWARE SIDE, AS WELL AS THE AI SIDE, WHICH WOULD BE ANOTHER 2. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 5 TO 6 PEOPLE AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH AND SUPPORTING THE CUSTOMERS THAT DATA IS NOT SOLD OR OUTSOURCED ANYWHERE ELSE. DO THOSE INDIVIDUALS HAVE THE ABILITY TO OPEN UP THE BLUR FEATURE TO SEE FACES AND SEE LICENSE PLATE NUMBERS. NO. WHO DOES HAVE THAT ABILITY? NOBODY. NOBODY HAS THAT ABILITY. SO BASICALLY THAT'S A ORGANIZATIONAL CONTROL AND SAFEGUARD THAT'S PUT IN PLACE BY YOUR ORGANIZATION.
SO IF DIRECTOR GILLESPIE OR DIRECTOR CHRISTIAN OR MEMBERS OF THE ADMINISTRATION ELECT TO OPT IN TO THAT FACIAL OR LICENSE PLATE, BLURRING THOSE IMAGES WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE REVIEWED OR CHANGED.
IN A SITUATION WHERE DPD HAS MADE A DEMAND TO TO OPEN UP THE DATA AND LOOK AT THE DATA WOULD THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY THROUGH ANY MECHANISM WHATSOEVER TO UNBLUR THE FACES OR UNBLUR THE LICENSE PLATES? WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH CITY DETECT TO HAVE THEM CHANGE THAT OPTION IN THEIR SYSTEM.
SO NOVEMBER 2025, A SITUATION HAPPENS WHICH DPD BELIEVES IS A CRIME AT 123 MAIN STREET.
THEY ASKED FOR. THEY WANT DATA. WHAT WOULD THEY HAVE TO DO TO GET THE CAMERA INFORMATION? TO GET TO GET WHAT'S ON THEIR SERVER? FILE AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST.
SO THE DPD WOULD FILE AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST.
YOU WOULD GET IT YOUR DEPARTMENT. IT WOULD THEN GO TO THE VENDOR.
I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK TO THAT SPECIFICALLY FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OF HOW THE OPEN RECORDS REQUEST WOULD BE HANDLED FROM DPD FOR ACCESS TO THIS DATA, BECAUSE THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE YOU CAN REDACT INFORMATION, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT'S REQUESTED.
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AND I WOULD HOPE THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE COULD SPEAK TO IT. HELLO.WILLOW SANCHEZ, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND UNDER THE PUBLIC.
UNDER THE PUBLIC. HOW DO YOU REALLY FEEL, WILLOW? UNDER THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT, UNLESS THE INFORMATION, THE THE INFORMATION IS SUBJECT TO AN EXCLUSION OR AN EXCEPTION, IT IS PRODUCIBLE. BASED ON PARTICULAR INSTANCES AND OR DATA THAT IS REQUESTED THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO A MORE REFINED REVIEW. BUT I JUST GAVE YOU THE GENERAL RULE.
AND IF SOMEBODY REALLY WANTS TO SEE IT, IT CAN BE UNBLURRED.
SO SOMEBODY HAS THE CAPABILITY OF TAKING THE BLUR FEATURE OFF.
AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHO THAT IS. SO THE IMAGES.
SO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ASK STAFF TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
WHO HAS THE ABILITY TO UNBLUR THE CAMERAS? BECAUSE WE'VE JUST LEARNED THAT SOMEBODY DOES.
SO THE VENDORS ORIGINAL ANSWER THE FIRST ANSWER TO THE QUESTION WAS IF THE CITY OF DALLAS DETERMINED THAT THEY WANTED TO OPT IN TO THE FACIAL BLUR AND LICENSE PLATE BLURRING FEATURE, THEN NO ONE WOULD HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO UNBLUR OR UNMASKED THAT THAT OPTION.
AND SO I WOULD SAY IF WE'VE OPTED IN TO FACIAL BLURRING AND LICENSE PLATE BLURRING, THEN NO ONE WOULD BE ABLE TO REMOVE THE BLURRING OF THE LICENSE PLATES OR THE FACES. DO YOU WANT TO CLARIFY? YES. SO AS WE DO THE CONFIGURATION OF THE SYSTEM, WE WORK WITH THE VENDOR TO TELL THEM WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT ALL OF THE PHOTOS THAT ARE BLURRED RETAINED IN THE SYSTEM. IS THAT CORRECT? THE THE UNBLURRED PHOTOS RETAINED IN THE SYSTEM.
AND SO IF WE GO BACK AND ASK THEM TO GIVE US ACCESS TO THOSE PHOTOS, THEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE.
HE'S TALKING ABOUT FACES AND LICENSE PLATES. HE'S NOT TALKING ABOUT PHOTOS, JUST THE FACES AND THE LICENSE PLATES, WHICH WOULD BE A PART OF THE PHOTOS. WHICH IS GOOD.
SO WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT. YEAH. I MEAN, I'M COMPLETELY CONFUSED NOW.
THOSE ARE CLEAR PHOTOS. HOWEVER, WHEN WE CONFIGURE THE SYSTEM, WE CAN WORK WITH THE VENDOR TO ASK THEM TO RETAIN THE BLURRED PHOTOS IN A SEPARATE DATABASE. YEAH. YEAH. SO JUST CLARIFY THAT.
YES. YES. AS THE IMAGES, WE NEED TO GET YOU OFF THE MIC.
SO. YOU GUYS WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE TO CONFIGURE THIS? I'VE GOT A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS. I SEE THAT THE AND THIS, YOU GUYS HOPEFULLY CAN ANSWER THESE THE THERE'S A FIXED FOCAL LENGTH OF THE CAMERA WHO SETS THE LENGTH OF THE CAMERA AND THE, THE RESOLUTION OF THE CAMERA IS THAT PRESET? IT'S PRESET. IT CAN BE RECONFIGURED. IT'S 1920 BY 1080P, OKAY.
SO IT CANNOT BE ADJUSTED BY STAFF, BY ANYBODY.
OKAY, GREAT. WE GOT THE DATA STORAGE. WE GOT THE WHERE OTHER CITIES USE THIS.
AN ANSWER TO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS ASKED BY MR. RESENDEZ. HE ASKED ABOUT IF THERE ARE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE, WHICH I WAS GLAD TO HEAR THAT QUESTION.
ON MISUSE OF THE DATA. AND THE ANSWER BY STAFF WAS I WROTE THIS IN QUOTES.
IT'S ONLY USABLE FOR SERVICES THAT THE CITY WILL PROVIDE.
I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT ANSWER TO. ARE THERE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE FOR THE DATA? SO MAYBE THAT CAN BE ANSWERED BY THESE GUYS. OKAY.
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OKAY. SO LET'S GET BACK TO WHEN THE PHOTOS ARE TAKEN.WHAT WE GET IN OUR PORTAL ARE THE BLURRED PHOTOS.
OKAY. IS THERE EVER A SITUATION UNDER A SUBPOENA BY DPD OR ANYBODY WHERE YOU CAN UNBLUR THOSE PHOTOS? YES. IF WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE VENDOR TO TELL THEM WE WANT THE PHOTOS RETAINED, THEN THEY CAN UNBLUR THOSE PHOTOS AND PRESENT THEM IN THE PORTAL.
THAT'S THE SIMPLE ANSWER. THANK YOU. NOT UNTIL YOU HAVE TO SAY AT THE BEGINNING TO KEEP THEM.
OKAY. YEAH, WE HAVE TO TELL THEM THAT WE WANT BOTH BLURRED AND UNBLURRED AT THE BEGINNING.
WHEN WE CONFIGURE THE SYSTEM, THEY WILL RETAIN BOTH SETS.
SO THE CONTRACT WE'RE APPROVING TOMORROW, YOU HAVE TO LET THE VENDOR KNOW BY THEN.
NO, NO. WHEN WE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT OKAY, IT'S AN OPTION THAT CAN BE TURNED ON AND OFF.
YES, MA'AM. SO IT CAN BE TURNED ON AND OFF. AND THEN I JUST FEEL LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BEFORE TODAY, BUT I'M. I'M GLAD TO HEAR THERE IS A PROCESS FOR IT.
OKAY. I THINK I'VE GOT MAYOR PRO TEM. DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. CHAIR. THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
YOU GUYS ARE TAKING PHOTOGRAPHS AS WELL TODAY.
THAT'S CORRECT. AND ARE THOSE PHOTOS BLURRED OUT TODAY? IF SOMEONE IS ASKING FOR A SERVICE FOR AN OPEN RECORDS? NO, SIR. WE HAVE. WE HAVE BEFORE AND AFTER PHOTOS OF PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF EVERY CASE THAT WE'VE EVER WORKED IN OUR SALESFORCE SYSTEM RIGHT NOW.
OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU COLLEAGUES. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ON THIS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL MOVE ON. AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH THE MEMORANDUM ITEMS ONE AT A TIME.
THE NEXT ITEM IS STAFF DOESN'T NEED TO COME UP HERE UNLESS THERE'S QUESTIONS.
ITEM B IS THE MONTHLY. LET'S SEE. OFFICE OF CITY AUDITOR MONTHLY AUDIT REPORT.
ANY QUESTIONS? NOPE. ALL RIGHT. ITEM C IS THE MONTHLY BUDGET ACCOUNTABILITY REPORT FROM SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2025. I'LL START WITH THE CHAIR WILLIS.
BEING 21% UNDER BUDGET ON REVENUES. SORRY ABOUT THAT.
HELLO. I JUST WANTED TO. THAT SEEMED LIKE A BIG NUMBER.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS BECAUSE OF A LAG OF SOME SORT OR WHAT WE COULD ATTRIBUTE THAT.
THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT ARE COMING FORWARD TO RESPOND TO THAT.
WE'VE BEEN REPORTING THIS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, AND THIS IS TIED TO THEIR UNDER THEIR REVENUE FEE STUDY. SO I'LL LET THEM PROVIDE A RESPONSE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. VERNON YOUNG, DEPUTY DIRECTOR, PLANNING DEVELOPMENT. THE THE FEES WERE ADJUSTED, IF YOU GUYS RECALL. AND WHAT MONTH WAS IN APRIL? IN APRIL IN APRIL. MAY. AND IT WENT INTO EFFECT IN JULY.
SO. OKAY. AND THAT'S PUT US UNDER BUDGET. THAT'S ON OUR REVENUE.
THAT'S CORRECT. COUNCIL MEMBER YOU MAY RECALL THAT THERE WAS AN ERROR IN THE THE FEE CALCULATIONS.
AND SO WHEN IT WAS REALIZED THAT WE WERE NOT RECEIVING THE REVENUE THAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED, THE DEPARTMENT STARTED REDUCING THEIR EXPENSES AS WELL AS BROUGHT FORTH AN ITEM TO CORRECT THE FEES.
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AND THAT WAS DONE IN APRIL. IS THAT CORRECT, KATHERINE? YEAH. KATHERINE LEE, PLANNING, DEVELOPMENT. YEAH, WE CORRECTED IT IN APRIL, AND IT DIDN'T GO IN EFFECT IN JULY.SO WE LOST ALL THOSE MONTHS OF REVENUE BETWEEN OCTOBER AND APRIL.
SO WE'RE SEEING THIS AS THAT END OF THE YEAR FISCAL YEAR.
SO IT'S RESULTED IN 21% OF REVENUE BELOW BUDGET.
SO IT WAS UNFORTUNATE, BUT IT'S IT'S THE ADJUSTMENT HAS BEEN MADE AND CORRECTED GOING FORWARD.
OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYBODY? I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS THIS MAY TIE IN.
ACTUALLY, IF YOU GUYS CAN HANG OUT UP HERE ON THE LET'S SEE PAGE 1920, IT TALKS ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION SALES TAX REVENUES. I NOTED THAT. LET ME PULL UP THE PAGE HERE.
BLESS YOU. THAT WE'RE WE'RE DOWN BY 14% IN CONSTRUCTION SALES TAX SINCE LAST YEAR, AND THERE SEEMS TO BE A REDUCTION OVERALL IN CONSTRUCTION.
IS THAT JUST MARKET FACTORS? BECAUSE OF CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE HIGHER OR WHAT'S GOING ON OR DO YOU GUYS KNOW? SO I'LL TAKE THAT QUESTION. IT'S ACTUALLY AN ERROR.
SO THE 14% IS CORRECT. THERE IS AN INCREASE MONTH OVER MONTH, BUT IT SHOULD BE GREEN INSTEAD OF RED.
OH OKAY. THAT MAKES ME FEEL BETTER. GREAT. HOWEVER, HOWEVER COUNCIL MEMBER WEST FOR THE YEAR, IT IS STILL DOWN. COMPARING SEPTEMBER 25TH TO SEPTEMBER 24TH.
FOR THE MONTH IT WAS UP 14%. BUT FOR THE FULL FISCAL YEAR COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR, IT WAS DOWN BY 2%. SO IT'S NOT AS DRASTIC AS YOU THOUGHT IT WAS, BUT IT WAS STILL DOWN BY 2%.
BUT JUST THE CHANGE IN THE ECONOMY WOULD FACTOR IN ON THOSE LOSSES, I BELIEVE.
OKAY. SO IT'S YEAH, IT'S 2%. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
AND THEN I LOOK AT THE LITTLE BAR GRAPH THAT YOU HAVE ON PAGE 22 WITH SUBMITTED BUILDING PERMITS.
IS THAT TIED TO THE NUMBER? SOMEWHAT. SLIGHTLY.
THERE HAS BEEN SOME VARIATIONS IN CONSTRUCTION.
WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF BIG TICKET ITEMS THAT HAVE COME IN.
AND SO THE, THE, THE NUMBERS WERE DOWN. AND NOW, AS YOU SEE, WE'RE BACK ON, ON ON PACE, BUT YEAH, THE NUMBERS ARE TIED SLIGHTLY, BUT CONSTRUCTION STILL CONTINUES TO BE ROBUST.
IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW, THOUGH, COMPARED TO THIS TIME LAST YEAR.
AT LEAST ACCORDING TO THAT CHART. DO YOU HAVE ANY REASON FOR THAT? IT IS SLIGHTLY DOWN FROM WHAT IT WAS A YEAR AGO.
BUT THE VALUATIONS REMAIN STRONG. SO THE YOU ARE ACCURATE IN YOUR ASSESSMENT OF THE NUMBER OF PERMITS THAT THAT ARE COMING IN. SO ONE IS THE NUMBER OF PERMITS, BUT THE VALUATIONS REMAIN STRONG.
AND THE NEW SENATE BILL 840 HAS INTERJECTED NEW LIFE INTO THE TO THE MULTIFAMILY SUBMITTALS.
SO YOU'RE SEEING MORE PERMIT OR THE SAME AMOUNT OF PERMITS FILED OR LESS PERMITS FILED, MAYBE.
BUT THE VALUE THE VALUE THE VALUE CONTINUES TO GROW.
THAT IS ACCURATE. OKAY. AND THEN LAST QUESTION FOR THIS FOR ME AT LEAST IS ON PAGE 33, I SEE THAT UNDER OUR MULTI-YEAR INITIATIVES ON THE BUDGET TRACKER, THE CODE DEVELOPMENT OR THE REVAMP OF THE CODE IS NOW GOING ON ITS FOURTH YEAR.
IS THERE ANY END IN SIGHT FOR THAT? I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE STAFF HERE FOR THAT BUT.
WE CAN PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION LATER. BUT WE ARE WRAPPING UP THE DIAGNOSTIC.
I THINK THAT SEPTEMBER, IT'S GOING TO START. WE'RE GOING TO START THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER OR LETTER D.
AND COLLEAGUES, THIS IS JUST ON HERE REALLY? SO WE CAN TRACK OUR ARPA DOLLARS.
MAKE SURE THEY'RE GETTING SPENT. I'LL START OFF ON THIS ONE.
YOU KNOW, I NOTICED THAT WE HAVE 59 MILLION IN UNENCUMBERED FUNDS STILL THAT ARE ARPA RELATED.
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IS THERE ANY REASON STAFF IS CONCERNED THAT THERE'S THAT LARGE OF AN AMOUNT UNENCUMBERED AT THIS POINT? BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF THESE FUNDS EXPIRE, RIGHT. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.WE'RE SHOWING 2 FUNDS IN THE REPORT. THE FCPS 18 GRANT FUND, THAT IS THE US TREASURY GRANT FUND, WHERE WE THE FUNDS WILL EXPIRE SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 2026.
SO WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE. WE HAVE ENCUMBERED FUNDS AS REQUIRED THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 2024.
AND NOW WE ARE SPENDING THOSE FUNDS, YOU'LL SEE THAT ON THE FC 18 REPORT, THE 0A872 FUND.
THIS IS THE FUND WHERE WE REALLOCATED FUNDING BETWEEN THE GRANT FUND AND THE GENERAL FUND.
SO THERE IS NO EXPIRATION DATE ON THOSE FUNDS.
INTERNALLY, WE HAVE SAID THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO COMPLETE SPENDING BY SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 2026, BUT THESE FUNDS ARE NOT TIED TO US TREASURY. GOOD TO KNOW.
SO WHENEVER WE'RE LOOKING AT 0A872, THERE'S NO EXPIRATION DATE.
THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY, COOL. I THINK WE'RE GOOD ON THAT ONE.
COLLEAGUES, ITEM E IS OUR CDBG SPENDING REPORT.
ANY QUESTIONS? NOT SEEING ANY ITEM F IS UNENCUMBERED GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND FUNDS. ALL RIGHT. I DO HAVE A QUESTION HERE FROM CHAIR WILLIS.
TAKE IT AWAY. THANK YOU. IS THIS MISS NICEWANDER? THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. THE OFFICE OF BOND AND CONSTRUCTION IS COMING FORWARD.
HI, JENNY NICEWANDER, OFFICE OF BONDING, CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT I'M SORRY I MISSED THE QUESTION. IF THERE WAS ONE. WELL, I HADN'T ASKED IT YET, SO YOU'RE RIGHT ON SCHEDULE. SO IN LOOKING AT 2006, 2012 IT AND EVEN 2017, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ABOUT 27 MILLION IN STREETS IN THAT, THAT CATEGORY ACROSS STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION THAT HAVE THE RED ARROW OF PROPOSITIONS THAT RELEASED ENCUMBRANCES. SO DOES THAT MEAN WE'VE GOT THAT MONEY IN PLAY? I MEAN, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS WE'VE GOT VISION 0 TO DEAL WITH.
WE'VE GOT TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND TRAFFIC FLOW AND A VOLUME OF PEOPLE COMING, COMING TO OUR CITY.
SO ARE WE WORKING ON ASSIGNING THAT STILL WITHIN THE CATEGORY BUT TO HELP US ACHIEVE THESE GOALS? EXCUSE ME. YES, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE'D WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENT TO IDENTIFY YOU KNOW, WHICH PROJECT WOULD NEED TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE FUNDS, BUT THAT IS THE INTENT. ONCE THOSE ENCUMBRANCES ARE ARE RELEASED BACK TO THE DEPARTMENTS OR BACK TO THOSE PROPOSITIONS, THEN THOSE DEPARTMENTS WOULD WOULD IDENTIFY WHICH PROJECTS THAT THEY NEED TO GO FOR, GO TOWARDS.
BUT USUALLY IT'S IN THE SAME CATEGORY. RIGHT.
YEAH, IT IS IN PROCESS. I CAN GET AN UPDATE FROM DOCTOR CONCARLI I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION WITH ME, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY GET WITH HIM AND PROVIDE A BETTER RESPONSE.
I THINK AT OUR NEXT FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD WANT TO SEE.
OR IN A MEMO. OKAY. THANK YOU. COLLEAGUES, ANYBODY? I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU, DIRECTOR, FOR ACTUALLY BEING THE ONE WHO SUGGESTED THAT WE DO THIS UPDATE ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.
I THINK IT IT REALLY HELPS US TRACK ALL OF THE ONGOING BOND PROJECTS AND COLLEAGUES.
CAN TELL YOU WHAT'S GETTING SPENT IN THE NEXT YEAR.
AND YEAH. SO I THINK THIS IS VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE GOING TO THE TECHNOLOGY REPORT ITEM G ANYBODY.
ITEM H IS THE QUARTERLY INVESTMENT REPORT FOR CITY FUNDS.
ITEM I IS PROPOSED CHANGES TO CITY CODE PROVISIONS RELATED TO CITY HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX THAT WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE QUESTION ON I I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CHAIR WILLIS.
WELCOME. HELLO. SO THIS IS ABOUT HOT TAX. AND I'M LOOKING AT THE PART ABOUT
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YOU KNOW, IF PAYMENT ISN'T MADE, HOW LONG SOMEONE HAS TO PAY AND THEN THE 15% PENALTY ETC..AND THIS I MEAN, I KNOW THAT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THINGS IN LINE WITH WHAT THE STATE SAYS, BUT ARE WE I MEAN, HOW OFTEN IS THAT OCCURRING? AND I KNOW IT'S ONLY OF THOSE THAT WE'RE AWARE OF, BUT HOW MANY, I MEAN, HOW MANY OF THOSE THAT ARE REGISTERED OR THAT WE'RE AWARE OF ARE NOT PAYING ON TIME, AND WE'RE HAVING TO PENALIZE AND DO EXTRA WORK AROUND.
GOOD AFTERNOON, AND THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET BACK WITH YOU TO COUNT UP HOW MANY PENALTIES WERE PAID DURING THE YEAR.
SO THIS MEMO IS JUST REALLY ABOUT ALIGNING THE LANGUAGE.
BUT I WOULD SAY THAT IS SOMETHING THAT FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, THAT I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT AND JUST SEE WHERE WE'RE TRACKING AND HOW WE'RE DOING ON THAT. WELL, AND I CAN GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE, JUST IN GENERAL OF ONES THAT WE HAVE FOUND THROUGH VARIOUS AUDIT PROCEDURES WE'VE DONE THAT TOTALS $5.5 MILLION.
AND THAT THAT ONE HOTEL THAT WE FOUND THAT THERE WERE TWO HOTELS THE OWNER OWNED THAT WAS $3 MILLION, WITH THE HELP OF OUR FRIENDS IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, PLUS OTHER THINGS.
BUT THERE'S OTHER, YOU KNOW, DAY TO DAY PENALTIES THAT WE CAN GET BACK WITH YOU.
BUT WE KEEP A SPREADSHEET OF THAT AND WE KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
WE SEEM TO GET WITH YOU. THAT WAS $5 MILLION.
WAS 3 MILLION. THERE WAS 1 HOTEL OWNER THAT WE FOUND WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE.
I SAID, DO WE COMPARE CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY FOR NEW HOTELS? WE WEREN'T DOING THAT. WE FOUND ONE OWNER THAT OWNED 1 HOTEL THAT HE HADN'T PAID ON IN 3 YEARS.
WITH THE HELP OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WE ACTUALLY COLLECTED THE WHOLE $2.675 MILLION.
SO THOSE 2 TOGETHER WERE $3 MILLION. THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE SINCE THEN TO LOOK AT THE STATE, TO COMPARE WHAT THEY'RE PAYING THE STATE TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE PAYING US TO EXTRAPOLATE.
IF THERE'S A DIFFERENCE, THEN WE GO AND AUDIT.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP THIS ON THE RADAR, SO THAT THOSE OPERATORS KNOW THAT IT WILL BE SEEN AND IT WILL BE PUBLICLY DISCUSSED, AND THAT I KNOW THAT YOUR TEAM IS WORKING ON THIS, BUT I WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THOSE WHO ARE NOT FULFILLING THEIR OBLIGATION TO THE CITY AND PAYING THESE HIGH TAXES.
WELL, AND I THINK YOU ARE ALSO AWARE OF THE 1.
IT'S KIND OF AN ANECDOTAL STORY WHERE I FOUND THE REAL ESTATE LISTING THAT WAS ADVERTISING HIS $300,000 IN REVENUE AND WITH THE HELP OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHEN HE SOLD THAT ONE PROPERTY, WE COLLECTED $112,000.
WELL, I THINK ESPECIALLY WITH FIFA COMING AND THERE WILL PROBABLY BE A PROLIFERATION OF, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE RENTING THEIR HOMES AND SHORT TERM RENTING THEIR HOMES, THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE A SENSE OF THIS SO THAT WE DRIVE UP AWARENESS OF THE FACT THAT THIS DOES COME WITH AN OBLIGATION TO THE CITY OF REGISTRATION AND PAYING.
WELL, MAYBE NOT THE REGISTRATION, BUT PAYING THE TAX.
AND THEN, AS YOU KNOW, WHEN WHEN WE HAVE ONES THAT WE CAN PROVE THEY HAD A LISTING OR HAVE REVIEWS, WE ALSO THEN PARTNER WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND FILE LIENS.
AND THERE'S ONE IN PARTICULAR PROPERTY THAT WE DID THAT ON IN ONE OF YOUR DISTRICT, IN YOUR DISTRICT THAT WAS BEING USED NOT SO MUCH AS AN AIRBNB, BUT AS AN EVENT VENUE. AND THEY CEASED OPERATING THAT AS THAT ONCE THEY GOT THE NOTICE OF LIEN AND THEY DID PAY.
SO I THINK WE'VE GOT A VERY GOOD PROGRAM ON THAT AS FAR AS WITH THE TOOLS WE HAVE AND THINGS THAT WE'VE THOUGHT UP TO BE CREATIVE, TO SEE WHAT OTHER MONIES WE COULD WE MIGHT BE MISSING.
WELL, IT MIGHT BE GOOD, CHAIR, TO PUT THIS ON THE JANUARY FORECAST FOR 2 PURPOSES.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS JUST, AGAIN, TO GET THE ATTENTION AND DRIVE THE AWARENESS UP SO THAT THOSE WHO ARE ANTICIPATING DOING THIS IN 2026, WILL KNOW THAT THIS IS AN OBLIGATION THAT THEY MUST FULFILL.
THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? I DID TAKE NOTE OF THAT FOR JANUARY. THANK YOU.
OKAY. MOVING ON TO ITEM J, WHICH IS LET'S SEE HERE.
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YES. J IS THE REAL ESTATE FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT, STRATEGIC REAL ESTATE PLAN PROCUREMENTS.I KNOW I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON THIS. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE DOES.
JUST ASK STAFF TO COME ON DOWN. I DO. OKAY. PERFECT.
I'M JUST GOING TO ASK HIM TO GIVE A GENERAL OVERVIEW.
GOOD AFTERNOON, JOHN JOHNSON WITH FACILITIES AND REAL ESTATE. YEAH.
WOULD YOU JUST, JOHN, JUST GIVE US A VERY SHORT OVERVIEW OF THE FACILITIES CONDITION ASSESSMENT AND AS WELL AS THE REAL ESTATE MASTER PLAN, MAINLY FOCUSING ON THE TIMELINE, BECAUSE WHAT I'M NOT SEEING IN THE MEMO, I DO SEE THE RFQ PROPOSAL EVALUATIONS COMING IN JANUARY, BUT AFTER THAT, IT'S PRETTY VAGUE ON WHEN WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO AWARD THE CONTRACT.
AND I KNOW SOME OF THAT'S SUBJECTIVE DEPENDING ON HOW THE RFQ GOES.
THE RFQ WAS POSTED AND THE PRE-SUBMISSION MEETINGS ARE NOW COMPLETE.
EVALUATIONS WILL BE THE NEXT STEP. AND THEN WE'LL SHORTLIST SOME FIRMS. THOSE ARE EXPECTED BY JANUARY THE 5TH. AFTER WE RECEIVE THE SHORT LIST.
THE SHORT LIST LIST, THE RFP WILL BE SUBMITTED.
WE'LL NEGOTIATE. THERE'S CONTRACT DEVELOPMENT IN THERE.
OKAY. THANK YOU. WHAT ABOUT FOR THE REAL ESTATE MASTER PLAN? SO AN INFORMAL SOLICITATION WAS DEVELOPED AND PUBLISHED.
THE EVALUATIONS ARE COMPLETE AND A CONTRACT IS PENDING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
SO AS SOON AS WE RECEIVE A CONTRACT, WE WILL ISSUE A NOTICE TO PROCEED TO THE CONSULTANT.
AND SO LET'S SAY THAT WE GET THE CONTRACT IN DECEMBER.
THAT WOULD LEAVE JANUARY, FEBRUARY FOR US TO DO THE ACTUAL WORK AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE SPECS.
SO I WOULD ANTICIPATE SPRING FOR A FORMAL SOLICITATION TO BE PUBLISHED EVALUATION AND NEGOTIATION AND THEN CONTRACT DOCUMENTS WITH A SUMMER OR LATE SUMMER COUNCIL AWARD FOR THE ACTUAL PLAN ITSELF.
ALL RIGHT. SO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD YOU RIGHT.
SO THE FIRST CONTRACT? YES, FOR THE CONSULTANT.
SO IT WOULD BE ABOUT 60 DAYS. SO JANUARY, FEBRUARY, IF WE GET THE CONTRACT IN DECEMBER.
AND THEN AGAIN. SO SPRING IS WHEN THE FORMAL SOLICITATION WOULD BE PUBLISHED.
WE WOULD RECEIVE ALL OF THE BID DOCUMENTS, EVALUATE AND SCORE, AND THEN HAVE THE CONTRACT DEVELOP AND THEN ANTICIPATE EITHER SUMMER TO LATE SUMMER FOR THE ACTUAL COUNCIL AGENDA ITEM TO COME FORWARD.
GOT IT. CITY ATTORNEY QUESTION IS IT REASONABLE THAT WE CAN GET THIS CONTRACT OVER TO DIRECTOR JOHNSON BY DECEMBER? WILLOW SANCHEZ, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WILL HAVE TO CHECK TO SEE THE STATUS.
I AM NOT THE ONE WORKING ON IT, SO WE WILL FOLLOW UP.
I WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM. THEY'VE BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE AND WE'VE TASKED THEM WITH A NUMBER OF CONTRACTS. SO I DO FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. OKAY. WELL, I'VE HAD TUNED IN FOR A LITTLE BIT OF CHAIRMAN JOHNSON'S COMMITTEE, AND I KNOW THAT IT CAME UP THAT WE HAVE AN AMAZING AMOUNT OF BUILDINGS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AND I THINK AND WE KNOW WE HAVE 50,000 ACRES OF REAL ESTATE.
SO I THINK THIS IS A REALLY URGENT ISSUE FOR US FROM A BUDGETARY STANDPOINT, THAT WE ADDRESS ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES AND ALL THIS LAND THAT WE HAVE AND ACTUALLY HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH THE OLD VERSION OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE HAS BEEN ASKING FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW.
SO I JUST WANT TO STRESS THAT TO CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, LIKE, LET'S GET THIS MOVING.
JOHN, JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS TO CLARIFY THE FACILITY CONDITION INDEX THAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS.
SO SPRING OR SUMMER WILL HAVE A CONTRACT COME BEFORE COUNCIL.
SO WE WILL HAVE SELECTED A VENDOR FOR THAT. CORRECT? CORRECT. AND THEN I HATE TO ASK YOU THIS QUESTION, BUT HOW LONG DO YOU ANTICIPATE IT WILL TAKE THE VENDOR TO THEN HAVE THAT PORTFOLIO PUT TOGETHER. SO WE'LL USE THE OLD ONE FROM 2017 AS AN EXAMPLE.
THAT WAS AROUND 220 BUILDINGS, WHICH TOOK A YEAR AND A HALF TO COMPLETE.
SO IT IS OUR INTENT TO SURVEY ALL OF THOSE IN THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH EXCEEDS 500.
SO I WOULD SAY AROUND A YEAR AND A HALF TO TWO YEARS FOR THE WORK TO BE COMPLETED. OKAY.
AND ARE WE GOING TO PRIORITIZE THOSE IN ANY WAY? LIKE WOULD WE START LOOKING AT MAYBE SOME OF OUR I KNOW SOMETHING THAT'S LARGER, WORTH MORE MONEY, OR THERE'S SOME REASON THAT IT'S KIND OF COME TO OUR ATTENTION THAT IT NEEDS TO BE AT THE TOP.
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LIKE, COULD WE COULD WE PRIORITIZE HOW WE WORK THROUGH THAT? YES. THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THE WAY IT'S SCHEDULED AND WHAT WE ASSIGN TO THE CONSULTANT OR TO THE VENDOR ONCE IT'S AWARDED.YES, MA'AM. OKAY. CAN YOU. NOT TODAY, BUT WHEN WE GET CLOSER TO IT, CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH WHAT THAT PRIORITIZATION PROCESS IS? BECAUSE WE WE MIGHT HAVE A THOUGHT OR 2 TO SHARE.
THANK YOU. CHAIR. THANK YOU. AND I JUST LET'S JUST ADD THIS.
I MEAN, THIS IS ALWAYS ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS COMMITTEE.
SO, DIRECTOR, IF YOU CAN JUST MAKE SURE WHEN YOU'RE READY THAT THAT'S PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION.
MAYBE EVEN SET THIS AS A BRIEFING ITEM WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE READY TO PRESENT THAT.
OKAY, COOL. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE OVER HERE? NADA. I KNOW CHAIR WILLIS HAD SOMETHING. YEAH.
GOING BACK TO THAT PRIORITIZATION, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO WEIGH IN ON THAT BECAUSE I WAS THINKING THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S SALABLE THAT WE WOULD WANT TO DO.
BUT ALSO WHEN YOU BITE OFF ALL OF THIS, THIS IS QUITE A LARGE TASK.
THE OTHER THING IS, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WAS WITH YOU, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN FIRMS OR I THINK THEY'RE PROBABLY EMPLOYED MORE SINCE AI IS A THEME FOR TODAY OF WAYS THAT THEY CAN GET AT A FASTER OUTCOME BY TAKING AND CONSOLIDATING OLD CITY INSPECTIONS AND JUST RUNNING UP THE IMAGES YEAR AFTER YEAR, OR WHENEVER THEY WERE DONE, EVEN IF THEY WERE YEARS APART.
TO GAUGE YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT MIGHT NEED REPAIR SOONER.
SO I'VE SEEN EXAMPLES OF THIS WHERE, HEY, THAT CRACK IS NOT GROWING, SO IT MAY BE OKAY.
OR LOOK AT THIS COMPARED IT'S GROWING IN THIS WOULD BE YOU KNOW, ELEVATED PRIORITY WISE.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE FIRMS WERE LOOKING AT I WOULD HOPE THAT IN 2025, KNOCKING AT THE DOOR OF 2026 THE FIRMS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WOULD HAVE THAT CAPABILITY TO JUST HELP US GET TO THIS OUTCOME SOONER. HAVE YOU HEARD OF THAT FROM THEM OR HAVE THEY SHARED THAT CAPABILITY? SO WE ARE IN THE EARLY STAGES OF THE TWO STEP RFQ RFP PROCESS, BUT WE'VE HAD A VERY ROBUST RESPONSE.
AND I KNOW THAT TECHNOLOGY IS SOMETHING THAT OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, MR. THOMPSON, HAS BEEN WORKING ON, AND HOW WE CAN INTEGRATE IT NOT ONLY WITH THE NEW SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE FOR ASSET MANAGEMENT AND OUR WORK ORDER SYSTEM, BUT ALSO TO TRY AND LEVERAGE WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE IN THE WAY OF OLD PLANS.
IF WE HAVE THEM, OF COURSE WE WILL. WE ALWAYS TRY TO CHECK AND SEE IF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT HAS ANYTHING FROM THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION, BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE MISSING. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON THEN TO ITEM K. THIS IS THE STATUS OF THE CADILLAC HEIGHTS LAND ACQUISITION AND CENTRAL SERVICE CENTER.
ANYBODY AVAILABLE TO TALK ABOUT THIS? ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO KICK IT OFF FOR US, CHAIRMAN.
SURE. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN WEST. BEEN MEETING WITH THE STAFF CONCERNING THIS.
HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND IT JUST WENT AWAY.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO TALK A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
HAVE NOT BEEN ANSWERED WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY OVER THERE, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE A PARK THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THERE, I THINK PHASE 1, PHASE 2 AND I HAVE NOT BEEN HAD A REAL CONVERSATION ABOUT THE ENTIRE PHASES. JUST GOT AN EMAIL ABOUT IT ON NOVEMBER THE 19TH, I BELIEVE, OR SOMETHING AROUND THAT.
I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THIS INFORMATION SINCE I GOT HERE IN JUNE.
SO I JUST GOT THAT EMAIL, WHICH IS CONCERNING FOR ME.
BUT COULD YOU CAN YOU KIND OF GET A LITTLE GO A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAIL ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING? I KNOW PRIOR TO ME GETTING INTO POLITICS, PROBABLY WHEN I WAS A TEENAGER, THE VOTERS VOTED TO HAVE A POLICE STATION OR ACADEMY OR TRAINING THERE AND THEN. I KNOW WE HAVE VISITED WITH YOU MULTIPLE TIMES, SO I APPRECIATE YOU AND CITY MANAGER MEETING WITH ME AND, AND KIND OF UPDATING ME ON THAT PART OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN JUNE.
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SOME THINGS THAT YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT RECENTLY AND SOME THINGS THAT WE'VE BRIEFED COUNCIL ON, ON RECENTLY, BUT SPECIFICALLY THIS UPDATE TODAY, THIS MEMORANDUM WAS DEVELOPED WITH THE INTENT TO SHARE WITH COUNCIL WHERE WE ARE ON SITE ACQUISITION IN CADILLAC HEIGHTS AREA, WHICH HAS BEEN A PROCESS THAT HAS GONE HOT AND COLD, STOP AND START OVER THE LAST 20 PLUS YEARS. RIGHT.AND BASED ON NEW LEADERSHIP FROM THE CITY MANAGER AND ALSO NEW LEADERSHIP FROM THE COUNCIL OFFICE.
HERE WE'VE RESTARTED THE PROCESS OF DOING SITE ACQUISITION FOR THE REMAINING PARCELS THAT WERE IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN FOR THE AREA, WHICH WHEN YOU BROUGHT UP EARLIER, AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED AT ONE TIME, ACTUALLY WITH THE 2003 BOND PROGRAM, WAS ENVISIONED FOR A POLICE ACADEMY. OKAY. THE CITY COUNCIL, AS RECENTLY HAS DECIDED THAT THE POLICE ACADEMY OR POLICE FACILITY FOR AN ACADEMY IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ELSEWHERE. RIGHT. AND YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN BRIEFED ON THAT AND KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT IN THAT TIME WHERE THE CITY WAS MAKING A DECISION TO ACTUALLY PUT THE ACADEMY ELSEWHERE, THE THERE WAS A PAUSE PUT ON WHAT THE ACTUAL USE WOULD ACTUALLY BE FOR THE CADILLAC HEIGHTS AREA. RIGHT. BECAUSE AT THE TIME, BETWEEN THE 2003 AND 2006 BOND PROGRAM, IT WAS EITHER GOING TO BE A POLICE OR POLICE RELATED FACILITY, OR IT COULD HAVE BEEN A SERVICE CENTER AND SERVICE CENTER RELATED ACTIVITIES.
RIGHT? SO WE PAUSED ON WHAT'S THE USE GOING TO BE? AND AGAIN, YOU CAN CIRCLE BACK TO EVERYTHING FROM DIFFERENT LEADERSHIP.
OKAY. SO IN THE MIDST OF THAT, AND THIS WAS BEFORE YOUR TENURE ON THE COUNCIL, BUT A DECISION WAS MADE WITHIN THE LAST FEW YEARS TO ACTUALLY USE A PORTION OF THE LAND THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN ACQUIRED FOR A PARK.
NOW, I DON'T HAVE THE THE DESIGN OF WHAT THE PARK WAS GOING TO BE OR WHAT THE PROGRAMING.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO EARLIER.
BUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN TASKED WITH AND WHAT COUNCIL GAVE US APPROVAL ON WHEN WE CAME BACK AND WE LET YOU KNOW, I WANT TO SAY A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO THAT WE WERE GOING TO NEED TO EXERCISE EMINENT DOMAIN ON SEVERAL OF THESE LOTS BECAUSE THEY WERE ENCUMBERED IN SOME WAY.
AND MISS ASHLEY EUBANKS CAN KIND OF DEFINE THOSE, THOSE VARIOUS CHALLENGES.
SO WE'RE PARTNERING WITH WHERE POSSIBLE. AND WE'RE NOT WE'RE USING EMINENT DOMAIN.
BEFORE I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT WE COULD HAVE ANY OTHER USES IN THAT AREA.
THAT'S KIND OF A SCATTERGRAM OF THE PARCELS THAT WE ARE YET TO TO HAVE.
SO IT'S ALMOST PROHIBITIVE TO ANY FUTURE USE OR DEVELOPMENT AT THAT SITE FOR THE CITY, BECAUSE OF WE DON'T OWN ENOUGH CONNECTED PARCELS TO BUILD A REALLY VISION ANYTHING. SO MS. ASHLEY AND HER STAFF ARE REALLY WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY NOW IN AN EFFORT TO ACQUIRE THE REMAINING PARCELS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO ASSEMBLE AS MANY OF THE PIECES OF PROPERTY AS WE COULD, TOGETHER WITH THE HOPES OF BUILDING DIVISION FOR THE REMAINING USES FOR THE PARCELS THAT WE ARE ACQUIRING, MANY OF WHICH STARTED MANY 20 PLUS YEARS AGO IN THE ORIGINAL SETS OF ACQUISITIONS.
THANK YOU. I WILL BE HAVING A COMMUNITY MEETING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE FROM THE PARK UP UNTIL NOW AND HAVING A MEETING ALREADY WITH THE COMMUNITY OVER AT CEDAR CREST, THEY DID NOT, WAS NOT BROUGHT IN FROM MY UNDERSTANDING CONCERNING ANY OF THOSE THINGS.
AND I LIVE IN CEDAR CREST FOR 8 YEARS, AND I'M 48.
AND SO WE WAS NOT BROUGHT INTO THIS SITUATION.
THEY'RE ASKING QUESTIONS AND I DON'T I DON'T LIKE SAYING I DON'T KNOW TOO MANY TIMES.
SO BECAUSE THERE WAS NO COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT NO COMMUNITY MEETING.
AND WHAT'S GOING ON OVER AT CADILLAC HEIGHTS? PROBABLY THIS PAST WEEKEND, I'VE BEEN I WAS ASKED THAT.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE GO OUT TO THE, TO THE CEDAR CREST COMMUNITY, THAT SOMEONE FROM MAYBE YOURSELF OR SOMEONE FROM THE STAFF GOES WITH ME SO WE CAN PROPERLY EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY ON WHAT'S GOING ON AT CADILLAC HEIGHTS.
WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT, SIR. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
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MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU. CHAIR. SO I KNOW THAT A LOT OF THE FOCUS ON THIS WAS ABOUT THE CADILLAC HEIGHTS PROPERTY.BUT DO WE HAVE AN UPDATE ON THE CITY SERVICE CENTER? WE DO TO THE TO THE DEGREE OF STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING ON KIND OF A FIT TEST, RIGHT, BASED ON OUR ACQUISITION PLAN AND BASED ON WHAT THE CURRENT COMPONENTS ARE AT THE CENTRAL SERVICE CENTER TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ACTUALLY ENOUGH SPACE AND LAND AVAILABLE FOR US TO COMPLETE THE VISION OF A POTENTIAL MOVE. SO WE'RE STILL IN THAT PHASE OF THE PROCESS NOW.
OKAY. AND LET ME KNOW IF THESE QUESTIONS SHOULD BE SAVED FOR A LATER DATE OR NOT.
BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE, AS YOU HAVE, THAT WE'RE BEING PROACTIVE.
RIGHT. AND THAT WE ARE DOING THINGS SIMULTANEOUSLY, THAT WE'RE ALREADY STARTING TO POTENTIALLY LOOK AT GETTING APPRAISALS FOR THAT PROPERTY SO THAT WE'RE NOT DOING ALL THE WORK, AND THEN WE'RE HITTING ADDITIONAL TIME CONSTRAINTS WHEN THOSE TIMES COME BEFORE US.
I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE AND I'M GOING TO DESCRIBE IT THIS WAY.
WHAT'S FEASIBLE, WHAT'S POSSIBLE TO INCLUDE MAKING SURE THAT WE CONTINUE WITH THE ACQUISITION PROCESS? BECAUSE THE THOUGHT IS THIS IS WHAT THE OUTCOME WOULD BE.
A SERVICE CENTER. OKAY. AND WE'RE DOING THAT.
THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL APPROVALS THAT WE'LL NEED FROM THE CITY COUNCIL.
THERE'S SOME DISCUSSIONS THAT WE WILL LIKELY HAVE TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE'LL BE SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT OPENLY HERE.
BUT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS CROSSING OVER AS MUCH AS WE'RE DOING THE SITE ACQUISITION AND TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FUTURE THAT'S GOING ON THERE. WE'RE DOING WORK ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE TO MOVE THE CENTRAL SERVICE IN THE 2 CADILLAC HEIGHTS.
THOSE. THOSE WILL HAPPEN SIMULTANEOUSLY. OKAY, GREAT.
AND SO WHEN DO WE EXPECT A UPDATE ON THOSE FINDINGS THAT YOU AND YOUR TEAM HAVE BEEN WORKING ON? SO WE WE HAVE ON, ON TAP FOR OUR COMMUNITY MEETING WITH COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.
I THINK THEIR, THEIR FEEDBACK AND CONVERSATIONS THERE AND, AND SOME VERY SPECIFIC THINGS THAT WE HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH THERE, I THINK WILL HELP US INFORM THE NEXT BRIEFING BACK TO COUNCIL.
SO MY GUESS WOULD BE IF WE MEET SOMETIME IN JANUARY, WE'D BE READY AT SOME POINT IN FEBRUARY TO COME BACK TO HAVE AN OPEN CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL, BASED ON ALL OUR DUE DILIGENCE UP TO THAT POINT.
OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS.
I JUST WANT TO ASK ON THE CENTRAL SERVICE CENTER I'VE HEARD MAYOR PRO TEM, I'VE HEARD STAKEHOLDERS, FOLKS HAVE PRETTY UNANIMOUSLY SAID THEY THAT THEY THINK IT SHOULD BE MOVED BECAUSE OF THE VALUE OF THE LAND AND EVERYTHING ELSE GOING ON IN DEEP ELLUM. AND IF I'M WRONG, SOMEONE CORRECT ME. BUT I'VE HEARD THAT CONSISTENTLY FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW.
IS THE PLAN TO MOVE THE CENTRAL SERVICE CENTER AT SOME POINT? AS I SHARED EARLIER, I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS, THE FEASIBILITY OF IT.
IF WE RUN INTO A HARD STOP WHERE WE FEEL AS IF THERE'S A, A CHALLENGE THAT WE CAN'T OVERCOME, WE'LL COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND SAY THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON.
AS OUR CFO HAS REMINDED ME MORE THAN ONCE, WE WOULD IMMEDIATELY NEED TO QUIT OR STOP WITH THE SITE ACQUISITIONS WITH THOSE BOND FUNDS BECAUSE THEY WERE SPECIFICALLY SLATED FOR THE USE OF A SERVICE CENTER AT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.
SO WE'RE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE COMPLETING DUE DILIGENCE AND DOING THINGS IN PARALLEL.
I UNDERSTAND THAT AND UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THE 2006 BOND, RIGHT? SO LET'S JUST SAY WORST CASE SCENARIO, CADILLAC HEIGHTS DOESN'T WORK OUT FOR WHATEVER REASON.
IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CENTRAL SERVICE CENTER WOULD STILL NEED TO BE MOVED SOMEWHERE ELSE? WE NEED TO FIND ANOTHER LOCATION FOR IT. THAT WOULD BE DIRECTION THAT WE WOULD HOPEFULLY GET FROM COUNCIL.
SO AFTER WE WALK YOU THROUGH THIS DUE DILIGENCE THAT WE'RE AT, AND IF WE REACH SOME IMPASSE THAT SUGGESTED THAT THAT COULDN'T BE THE POTENTIAL EVENTUAL HOME OR RELOCATION POINT, I THINK WE'D HAVE AN OPEN CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL AT THAT POINT ABOUT WHAT, IF ANYTHING, WE WOULD DO ABOUT THE EXISTING LOCATION.
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NOT MOVE A TRUCK SERVICE CENTER OUT OF THERE AND ACTIVATE IT FOR MORE TAX REVENUE FOR THE CITY.SO DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? NO, I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU.
SO I THINK ALL OF OUR ACTIONS THAT I'VE BEEN SHARING ARE LEADING THERE.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT IS SPEAKING TO THE INTENT OF COUNCIL.
WHEN THERE'S MILESTONES THAT YOU, AS A BODY, STILL NEED TO MAKE.
COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, WHEN HE TALKS TO ME, HE TALKS TO ME AS IF HE OWNS ALL THE PIECES.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT AND I FOCUS. I FOCUS WITH HIM ON THAT.
BUT I LET HIM KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER MILESTONES.
THERE'S OTHER ACTIONS THAT THE BODY WILL NEED TO MAKE, EVEN AFTER THE COMMUNITY MEETING, THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THEIR ACTIONS, THAT THIS TOTAL BODY, THE COUNCIL ITSELF, WILL NEED TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE CAN'T HAVE YET UNTIL WE CAN COMPLETE THIS END OF OUR DUE DILIGENCE.
IT'S JUST THAT STAFF'S WORK ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
TO INTERJECT, IS ALSO 1 OF THOSE ISSUES THAT HAS TO BE RESOLVED IS FUNDING.
THERE IS NOT FUNDING TO RELOCATE AT THIS POINT.
THERE IS NO FUNDING TO CONSTRUCT. NOW, OBVIOUSLY, IF THE PROPERTY ON CANTON STREET WERE SOLD, THERE WOULD BE PROCEEDS THAT COME FROM THAT. BUT WE HAVE AT CENTRAL SERVICE CENTER, BEYOND THE FLEET MAINTENANCE FACILITY, WE HAVE A RADIO SHOP, WAREHOUSES, NUMEROUS OFFICES.
THERE'S A POLICE STATION, THERE'S NUMEROUS FACILITIES THERE THAT ALL HAVE TO BE FACTORED IN.
AND AS OF THIS POINT IN TIME, IF WE WERE TOLD TO GO BUILD AT CADILLAC HEIGHTS OR SOMEWHERE ELSE RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THAT. SO THAT IS ANOTHER THING THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE BODY'S DIRECTION.
OKAY. I JUST THINK THAT IT'S BEEN VERY CLEAR BY EVERYONE I'VE EVER HEARD SPEAKING AT THESE COMMITTEE MEETINGS THAT THIS PROPERTY IS SO VALUABLE THAT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR US TO HAVE THESE USES IN THAT PROPERTY.
AND TO MAYOR PRO TEM POINT, LIKE MOVING FORWARD WITH APPRAISALS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS I THINK ARE GOOD BECAUSE WE THAT SHOULD GIVE YOU ALL AN INDICATION THAT THERE'S AN END DATE AT SOME POINT, AND WE NEED TO FIND A NEW LOCATION FOR THAT.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, STARTING ON ZONING, WE KNOW ZONING TAKES A LONG TIME AND A PLAN FOR THIS LAND.
AFTER IT GOES THROUGH A COUPLE OF YEARS OF WHATEVER IT HAS TO GO THROUGH.
YOU UNDERSTAND? YES, SIR. I AND TO COUNCILMAN MORENO POINT, I THINK THAT WHEN WE COME BACK IN FEBRUARY, IT'S IT'S NOT JUST THE NECESSARILY AN UPDATE ON OUR DUE DILIGENCE, BUT IT'S SOME HOPEFULLY SOME DECISION POINTS THAT COUNCIL CAN GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON TO INCLUDE THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKELY NEED TO DISCUSS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? CHAIRMAN. YEAH. THANK YOU.
CHAIR. FIRST, LET ME THANK MAYOR PRO TEM. MORENO.
AND SO I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS SINCE JUNE, THAT WE WOULD TAKE THE THOSE SERVICES.
I WOULD LOOK, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE WHAT? POLICE SUBSTATION AND CODE OFFICE.
AND THAT WAS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MY COMMUNITY WANTED IT FOR.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, THAT WE'RE GOING TO BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO BRING POLICE SUBSTATION AND THE CODE OFFICER DISTRICT 4, BECAUSE PUBLIC SAFETY IS MY NUMBER 1 PRIORITY IN DISTRICT 4.
AND SO WORKING WITH HIM AND JUST THE VISION WAS TO WAS ALIGNED.
SO WE WERE GOING TO TAKE WE'RE ON BOARD WITH THAT.
THE LEADERS ARE ON BOARD WITH THAT WITH THOSE 2 SERVICE CENTERS.
AND SO I'M AGAIN WAITING ON THE COMMUNITY MEETING SO WE CAN LET THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY KNOW.
BECAUSE EVEN FROM THE PARK AND EVERYTHING, THERE WAS NONE.
AND SO TO BRING GO BACK FROM THE PAST AND GET EVERYTHING EVERYONE FULLY EDUCATED ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY AND MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THE MOVES THAT WE ARE MAKING.
SO I'M A BIG SUPPORTER OF THAT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S KNOWN PUBLICLY ESPECIALLY AFTER SPEAKING WITH MY CEDAR CREST LEADERS, THAT WE WANT THAT SUBSTATION THERE AND THAT CODE OFFICE THERE IN CADILLAC HEIGHTS.
AND I THINK IT'LL BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
SO LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. I GOT THE SUPPORT FROM THE LEADERS.
JUST WANT TO DO MORE OUTREACH TO MY COMMUNITY.
SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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IS THAT HERE AT THIS COMMITTEE AS OPPOSED TO HOUSING, BECAUSE IT'S PART OF FACILITIES AND REAL ESTATE MANAGEMENT.IS THAT WHY. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE GIFTS THAT WE RECEIVED ON OCTOBER 1ST.
SO FACILITIES AND REAL ESTATE MANAGEMENT IS NOW RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LAND BANK OPERATION.
SO THESE ARE THESE ARE THE LEGAL STEPS THAT WE NEED TO GO THROUGH WITH THE PROGRAM.
SO THIS THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN COLLEAGUES.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT ATTACHMENT C TO THIS REPORT, ALL THESE PROPERTIES HERE, IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN THIS.
BUT IT'S IT'S VERY EYE OPENING. AND I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THE PROPERTIES IN DISTRICT ONE.
ARE ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES THAT YOU'VE LISTED UNDER ATTACHMENT.
SEE THESE ARE CITY OWNED RIGHT NOW. NO, SIR. THEY'RE NOT CITY OWNED.
WHAT ARE THEY? SO THESE ARE TAX FORECLOSED PROPERTIES.
THESE ARE PROPERTIES THAT WE WILL ATTEMPT TO TRY TO ACQUIRE OR SOME THAT WE'VE ALREADY ACQUIRED.
WHY WOULD YOU HOW WOULD YOU ACQUIRE THEM OR LIKE WHAT WOULD LEAD TO THAT.
SO THROUGH THE LAND BANK AS A ARM OF THE CITY, WE ARE ABLE TO ACQUIRE THESE PROPERTIES TO THEN PUT THEM IN A HOLDING KIND OF BANK FOR THE LAND BANK TO THEN, OF COURSE, SELL THEM TO DEVELOPERS TO DEVELOP AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
OKAY. WELL, I SEE LIKE A COUPLE PROPERTIES AND I'M JUST I HATE TO JUST PICK MY OWN DISTRICT, BUT I SEE A COUPLE IN DISTRICT 1 THAT ARE IN MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR AREAS.
LIKE, WHY WOULD WE THE CITY'S GOING TO GO OUT AND BUY THOSE.
SO THERE'S DUE DILIGENCE THAT STILL HAVE TO TO GO ON.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS VERY INTERESTING.
I ARE YOU GOING TO BRING THIS BACK REGULARLY OR WHAT'S THE PLAN HERE? AND AS YOU KIND OF COMB THROUGH THIS NEW PROGRAM THAT'S NOT NEW BUT NEW TO YOU PROGRAM, I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU.
YES, SIR. WE WILL BRING IT BACK. I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT THERE'S SOME HEAVY LIFTS THAT WE HAVE.
SURE. IN AN EFFORT TO PRODUCE SOME EFFICIENCIES, I THINK THAT THAT NEED TO BE HERE.
AND WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT MORE. WE'RE ACTUALLY PART OF ACTUALLY ONE OF THE ASSIGNMENTS THAT I GAVE ASHLEY, CBRE IS WORKING ON OUR OUR INTERNAL STRUCTURE ABOUT HOW WE HANDLE REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT WILL EVENTUALLY BRING BACK TO YOU. AND ONE OF THOSE EXERCISES WAS FOR US TO TAKE A FRESH LOOK AT HOW THIS PROGRAM IS MANAGED AND HOW WE OPERATE WITH IT.
SO YES, SIR, WE SHOULD BE BRINGING THIS BACK TO YOU VERY SOON IN THE NEW YEAR.
NEW CALENDAR YEAR. OKAY, COLLEAGUES. CHAIR WILLIS, PLEASE.
THANKS. MR. EUBANKS, TO FOLLOW ON WITH WHAT YOU SAID.
SO IF THE CITY RESOLVED THE BACK TAXES, I MEAN, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO BUY AT THAT VALUE, OR DOES IT GO TO AUCTION OR WHAT? HOW WOULD THAT WORK? SO WE WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE TAX ASSESSOR.
AND SO IT'S THE AMOUNT OF THE JUDGMENT IN WHICH WE WOULD BE ACQUIRING THE MONEY, THE PROPERTY FOR.
AND SO WE WILL BE ACQUIRING THEM AT THE JUDGMENT AMOUNT.
OKAY. I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION, WHICH ON THE DALLAS HOUSING ACQUISITION AND DEVELOPMENT CORP, I BELIEVE THIS IS THE THE CORP THAT DIRECTOR CHRISTIAN WAS APPOINTED TO CHAIR.
YES, MA'AM. OKAY. WHAT ARE THEIR OTHER BOARD MEMBERS AT THIS TIME? OR HOW IS THAT BOARD? WHAT'S THE COMPOSITION? CURRENTLY? ORLANDO. ALAMEDA, WHO IS WITH DISD, IS THE TREASURER.
CHRIS CHRISTIAN IS THE THE PRESIDENT. COMMISSIONER JOHN WILEY PRICE IS ALSO ON THE BOARD.
OKAY. AND THEY WERE APPOINTED BY YOU. HOW WAS THAT FOR? I DEFINITELY KNOW CITY MANAGER TOLBERT APPOINTED MR. CHRISTIAN TO THE BOARD SINCE, OF COURSE I'VE BEEN THERE.
THE BOARD MEMBERS WERE THERE. WHEN? OF COURSE, WHEN THIS PROGRAM CAME OVER TO THE FACILITIES AND REAL ESTATE MANAGEMENT TEAM I BELIEVE THE THE THE CITY MANAGER ALSO APPOINTS BECAUSE DOCTOR WOODY WAS APPOINTED BY THE CITY MANAGER AS WELL.
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SO IT'S JUST IT'S JUST CONVERTING. OH, OKAY. OKAY, I GET IT.SO IT WAS REALLY JUST DIRECTOR CHRISTIAN THAT WE.
THAT WAS APPOINTED. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? YES. I'M SORRY I GOT LOST. WHAT BOARD IS THIS? WHAT'S THAT? WHAT BOARD WAS DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SPEAKING OF.
IT'S THE DALLAS HOUSING ACQUISITION AND DEVELOPMENT CORP..
IT'S ATTACHED TO MEMO L THAT MANAGES THE DALLAS URBAN LAND BANK DEMO PROGRAM.
THANK YOU. MS. EUBANKS, I WOULD JUST ASK IF WHEN YOU ARE, LIKE, AT A POINT, YOU'RE PREPARED TO GO TO REALLY GO DEEP ON THIS WITH US. IF, IF. IT'D BE GREAT IF YOU COULD DO AN ACTUAL PRESENTATION.
SO FOR MR. IRELAND, WE CAN JUST ADD THAT TO THE FORECAST.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WE ARE MOVING ON TO ITEM M AS IN MIKE.
IT'S THE UPCOMING AGENDA ITEM ON LOVE FIELD AIRPORT MODERNIZATION.
I'M NOT SEEING ANYBODY. AND AS I MENTIONED ITEM O WE DO NOT HAVE AN UPDATE ON THAT TODAY.
I WOULD JUST ASK MR. IRELAND, IF YOU CAN JUST GIVE US A BRIEF OR ACTUALLY DONZELL WHOEVER ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER GIBSON, IF YOU CAN GIVE US AN UPDATE ON ITEM N AS IN NOVEMBER.
JUST FOR CLARITY, THAT'S THE THANKSGIVING FOUNDATION. YES.
OKAY. I DIDN'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME. SO. YES, SIR.
SO AS WE'VE BRIEFED THE COUNCIL RECENTLY, RELATIVE TO TO THIS 75 YEAR LEASE AGREEMENT THAT THAT WE HAVE WE STARTED KIND OF A RENEGOTIATION WITH THE THANKSGIVING FOUNDATION.
AND AT SOME AT ONE POINT WE THOUGHT WE HAD, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURED A DEAL THAT WOULD WORK.
AND WE'VE HAD TO GO BACK AND HAVE SOME FURTHER CONVERSATIONS.
BUT THAT'S STILL IS STILL UNDER NEGOTIATION AT THIS POINT.
WILL YOU BE PREPARED TO TALK WITH US ABOUT THAT IN JANUARY, OR IS THAT NOT.
IS FEBRUARY BETTER? I THERE'S SOME FURTHER CONVERSATIONS I NEED TO HAVE WITH THE CITY MANAGER.
SO I HATE TO COMMIT TO TO JANUARY, BUT I COULD SEE WHERE FEBRUARY WOULD MAKE SENSE.
YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT, COLLEAGUES, IT IS 2:44 P.M.
AND THIS MEETING OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE IS ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.