[Community Police Oversight Board on December 9, 2025.]
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I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER OFFICIALLY.
UH, MY NAME IS JOHN MARK DAVIDSON.
I HAVE THE HONOR OF SERVING AS A CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.
WE HAVE CONFIRMED A QUORUM OF OUR MEMBERS, SO WE ARE READY TO PROCEED.
THE OFFICIAL START TIME FOR THIS MEETING IS 5:30 PM 5:30 PM AND WE'LL BEGIN THIS MEETING WITH A ROLL CALL OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS.
EACH OF US HAVE BEEN NOMINATED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR TO SERVE AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS, AS I CALL EACH DISTRICT, PLEASE INDICATE YOUR PRESENCE.
DISTRICT ONE, OZZIE SMITH, DISTRICT ONE, PRESENT.
DISTRICT TWO, JONATHAN MAPLES.
PRESENT DISTRICT NINE IS VACANT.
DISTRICT 12 IS CURRENTLY VACANT, SO WE'LL GO TO DISTRICT 13.
JULIA SIMON, DISTRICT 13, PRESENT.
AND DISTRICT 15 IS MYSELF, JOHN MARK DAVISON.
PRESENT FOR THOSE JOINING US IN PERSON AND ONLINE, PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS AN OFFICIAL MEETING OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD AND IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
THESE PROCEEDINGS ARE DESIGNED TO FOSTER OPEN COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND PUBLIC SAFETY STAKEHOLDERS, WHILE ENSURING THAT THE BOARD'S BUSINESS IS CONDUCTED EFFICIENTLY AND RESPECTFULLY TO ACHIEVE THIS GOAL, DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
ALL ATTENDEES MUST REMAIN SEATED UNLESS OTHERWISE DIRECTED.
ANYONE CAUSING DISRUPTION WILL RECEIVE ONE WARNING.
BUT CONTINUED DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT WILL RESULT IN THE REMOVAL FROM OUR MEETING.
THE BOARD IS COMMITTED TO ACCESSIBILITY.
IF YOU REQUIRE TRANSLATION SERVICES, SIGN LANGUAGE, INTERPRETERS, OR OTHER ACCOMMODATIONS, PLEASE CONTACT OUR OFFICE AT OC CPO@DALLAS.GOV.
AT LEAST 72 HOURS PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.
SO, I'M WANNA MENTION REAL QUICK THE PURPOSE OF OUR CPOB.
THE MISSION OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD, CPOB, FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD, IS TO BUILD AND MAINTAIN TRUST BY ENSURING THAT COMPLAINTS OF MISCONDUCT INVOLVING DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL ARE REVIEWED FAIRLY, TRANSPARENTLY AND THOROUGHLY.
THE BOARD IS SUPPORTED BY THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT, THE OCPO, WHICH PROVIDES LOGISTICAL AND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE TO HELP US FULFILL THIS MISSION AND MAINTAIN ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE COMPLAINT PROCESS.
SO, IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE, WE'LL NOW MOVE TO, UH, THE PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, OPEN MICROPHONE, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE.
EACH SPEAKER WILL HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE BOARD, DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS.
AS TIME MAY BE ADJUSTED TO PARTICIPATE.
PLEASE SEE A MEMBER OF OUR CITY STAFF AT THE FRONT OF THIS AREA.
YOU CAN RAISE YOUR HAND AND THEY'LL BRING YOU A, A CARD TO SIGN UP.
UH, FOR THE SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT SE SESSION AT THE END OF THE MEETING, NO SIGN UP IS REQUIRED.
YOU CAN SUSPEND THE RULES, ALLOW.
UH, WE WILL, UH, THE RULES STATE THAT WE CAN ONLY HAVE FIVE PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I'M GONNA SUSPEND THE RULES AS CHAIR 'CAUSE THERE'S SIX THAT ARE SIGNED UP.
SO WE'LL HAVE SIX PEOPLE, UH, SPEAKING FOR OUR PUBLIC COMMENT HERE.
PUBLIC COMMENT IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THOUGHTS ON MATTERS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THIS BOARD.
WHILE DIS SIN IS WELCOME, PERSONAL TAX THREATS, PROFANITY OR OFF TOPIC REMARKS ARE NOT PERMITTED, AND WE STRIVE FOR CONSTRUCTIVE RESPECTIVE DIALOGUE.
SO, UH, GUIDELINES, REMINDER COMMENTS MUST ADDRESS ITEMS ON THE AGENDA OR ISSUES WITHIN THE BOARD'S PURVIEW.
UH, PLEASE DO NOT DIRECT COMMENTS AND INDIVIDUALS SPEAK TO ME AS THE CHAIR AND, UH, DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, UH, MAY RESULT IN MUTING REMOVAL TERMINATION.
UH, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SIX INDIVIDUALS WHO WILL BE SPEAKING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, AND I'D LIKE TO WELCOME, UH, TO THE MICROPHONE NORA SOTO.
AND IF SHE'S NOT HERE, WE CAN COME BACK TO HER.
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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.UH, IF YOU COULD JUST MAKE SURE, UH, THAT THE MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON, UH, YOU'LL SEE A GREEN LIGHT AND, UH, WHENEVER YOU BEGIN, UH, THERE'LL BE A TIMER AND, UH, UH, WE'LL START THE TIMER WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, UM, THAT THE PUBLIC ART PIECE UPSTAIRS THAT SAYS, THIS PUBLIC ART WAS CREATED IN COLLABORATION WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS OF THE CITY OF DALLAS IN CELEBRATION OF IMMIGRANT HERITAGE MONTH 2019.
THIS ART PIECE IS DEDICATED TO THE IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES OF DALLAS, BOTH PAST AND PRESENT IN HONOR OF THEIR RESILIENCE.
CONTRIBU AND CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE FABRIC OF OUR CITY, HASHTAG CELEBRATE IMMIGRANTS.
IN NOVEMBER, THE CITY OF DALLAS PUT A FORMAL 2 87 G AGREEMENT TO BED.
YET, IN A RECENT VIDEO AND PHOTOGRAPHS CAPTURED AT J AT LAKE JUNE AND JIM MILLER GAS STATION, DPD OFFICERS ARE SEEN STANDING AROUND WATCHING UNBOTHERED BY THE SCENE BEFORE THEM ICE AGENTS ABDUCTING A MAN THAT THEY LIKELY FOLLOWED FROM THE APARTMENT COMPLEX UP THE ROAD, ALONG WITH ANOTHER MAN WHO HAPPENED TO BE BROWN IN THE WRONG PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME EVERY DAY.
THERE ARE MORE AND MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS ONE.
SO CONTRARY TO WHAT THE DEPARTMENT CLAIMS, WE HAVE PROOF OF COLLUSION.
THIS BEHAVIOR BY DPD IS FURTHER BREAKING ANY COMMUNITY TRUST THAT EXISTED AND INHIBITS THE POLICE FROM DOING THEIR REGULAR DUTIES TO PROTECT AND SERVE.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS HOW DPD ARE BEING TRAINED TO DEAL WITH THESE INTERACTIONS, IF AT ALL.
SURELY IT ISN'T TO STAND AROUND AND WATCH PEOPLE BE KIDNAPPED OFF THE STREETS, BUT IF IT IS, THAT BEGS THE QUESTION, WHAT ELSE IS ICE ASKING OF DPD? AND WHAT HAS DPD AGREED TO? LAST WEDNESDAY, NEAR LAKE JUNE AND JIM MILLER INTERSECTION, EYEWITNESS ICE ABDUCTING RESIDENTS FROM A PLEASANT GROVE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
IN THE WAKE OF THAT CRIME, I SPOKE WITH THE RESIDENTS ABOUT WHAT THEY HAD SEEN, HOW THEY WERE FEELING, AND WHAT HAD BEEN HAPPENING.
THEIR COMPLEX HAD BEEN, THEIR COMPLEX HAD BEEN TARGETED SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE.
FOR WEEKS, RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN FACING THEIR FEARS TO GO TO WORK AND PROVIDE, TO PROVIDE FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR LOVED ONES.
THE NEXT MORNING, AT THE SAME COMPLEX, FOUR TO FIVE ICE AGENTS LAID IN, WAIT.
MYSELF AND ANOTHER VOLUNTEER AND A COMMUNITY MEMBER ALERTED THE COMPLEX OF ISIS PRESENCE.
AND THANKFULLY NO ONE WAS ABDUCTED.
THE MORNING AFTER THAT, I FOUND ONLY ONE ICE AGENT WAITING.
I CHASED HIM DOWN JIM MILLER ROAD, AND AGAIN, NO ONE WAS ABDUCTED.
DO YOU SEE HOW TRAUMATIZING THIS IS TO PEOPLE? I REQUEST THAT THIS COMMITTEE SEEK MONTHLY REPORTING DETAILING THE FREQUENCY, THE PURPOSE, AND THE RESULTS OF THAT DATA.
FOR DP D'S SUPPORT GIVEN TO ICE, WE ARE IN THE DARK WITH A SHADOW AGREEMENT BETWEEN ICE AND DPD TRUST HAS BEEN UNDERMINED, AND WE WANT TO SEE THE TRUTH.
BACK IN NOVEMBER, CHIEF CUOMO SAID, WE DON'T WANT THAT SMOKE, BUT WHERE THERE IS SMOKE, THERE IS FIRE.
SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, DO YOU PLAN TO WATCH THE CITY BURN OR HELP US STOMP IT OUT.
THANK YOU, MS. APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENCE.
NEXT, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE TO THE MICROPHONE AZALE ALVAREZ.
HOW ARE YOU DOING? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE, UH, FOR, UH, SPEAKING TO US.
UH, WE HAVE, UM, THREE MINUTES.
UH, DO YOU WANT TO WATCH THE VIDEO FIRST AND THEN SPEAK, OR WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD YOU PREFER? UH, WE COULD WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO AND THEN I'LL SPEAK RIGHT AFTER IT.
UH, SO WAL DEER, IF YOU COULD PLAY THAT VIDEO AND THEN, UH, WE'LL BEGIN THAT THREE MINUTES, UH, WHENEVER YOU BEGIN YOUR COMMENT.
AND WHILE YOU DO THAT, WALTER, I JUST WANNA, UM, FOR THE, UH, MINUTES TO NOTE THAT TIMOTHY JACKSON IS PRESENT ONLINE, AND ALSO DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH IS HERE.
YOU DID YOU JUST SAY GET A JOB? WHAT DO YOU MEAN MONDAY? YOU CAN STAY RIGHT THERE.
YOU'RE GONNA BE SAFER THAN FOUR OFFICERS.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHO THOSE MEN WERE.
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WHO AM I? YEAH, I'M A RESIDENT.WHAT YOU WANT? I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD BE HERE, BE HERE OPEN.
THEY'RE JUST MASSIVE MEN OUT THERE.
THERE'S, AND THERE'S FOUR COP CARS.
WELL, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAFE.
THERE'S A POLICE JUST WATCHING THIS HAPPEN ALONGSIDE.
THEY ARE SEARCHING THE CAR WITHOUT A WARRANT.
THEY JUST SEARCHED THIS CAR AND THEY JUST GOT IN.
YOU JUST LOST THE TRUST OF THE COMMUNITY RIGHT HERE.
WHY DID Y'ALL LET, WHY LET EVERY COURT TO PROVIDE THESE PEOPLE? THIS IS NOT ACCEPT.
THIS IS A CERTAIN, THEY JUST LEFT THIS CAR.
I THINK YOU CAN, YOU CAN BEGIN WHENEVER YOU'RE READY AND THE THE TIME WILL START.
AND AS YOU BEGIN YOUR COMMENT.
SO THAT VIDEO WAS TWO WEEKS AGO IN PLEASANT GROVE ON LATE JUNE AND JIM MILLER, WE ASKED FOR MORE INFORMATION, UM, FROM THE DALLAS PIO AND, UM, ACCORDING TO THE DALLAS PIO IN A STATEMENT TO CARLOS
OFFICERS LEARNED THE INDIVIDUALS FOLLOWING THE PERSON WERE ICE AGENTS CONDUCTING THEIR OWN INVESTIGATION.
A CROWD GATHERED AND DPDS ONLY ROLE WAS TO MAINTAIN SAFETY FOR ALL PAR PARTIES.
DPD HAS BEEN WORKING VERY HARD TO BUILD THAT TRUST WITH THE LATINO COMMUNITY AND ENCOUNTERS JUST LIKE THAT, THREATEN THAT TRUST, NOT JUST FOR LATINOS, BUT FOR ALL OF DALLAS.
THIS RAISES VERY SERIOUS PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES BECAUSE WHAT IS DPDS PROTOCOL FOR CONFIRMING THESE IDENTITIES AND LAWFUL AUTHORITY, AUTHORITY OF INDIVIDUALS CLAIMING TO BE ICE AGENTS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE MASKED.
WHAT OFF? WHAT ARE THE OFFICERS INSTRUCTED TO DO WHEN BYSTANDERS ARE BELIEVE A CRIME IS HAPPENING IN REAL TIME? LIKE I DID RIGHT THERE? AND I WENT INSIDE TO THAT SEVEN 11 TO ASK THEM IF IT'S OKAY TO BE SAFE HERE, AND I DID NOT FEEL SAFE.
INSTEAD, I WAS ANTAGONIZED FOR ASKING QUESTIONS.
NOT WHAT DPD SHOULD BELIEVE THAT I SHOULD FEEL.
ARE WE NORMALIZING MASS MEN, UNIDENTIFIED MEN, DETAINING PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS WHILE POLICE STAND BY? IF OFFICER, IF THE OFFICERS CANNOT OR DO NOT VERIFY WHO THESE MASKS MEN ARE, THEN WHAT ARE THE SAFEGUARDS EXIST TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC FROM IMPERSONATION, ESCALATION, OR HARM? BECAUSE IF DPD DOESN'T VERIFY WHO'S BEHIND THE MASK, THEN ANYONE CAN WEAR ONE.
AND THAT SHOULD TERRIFY EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THIS CITY.
I'D LIKE TO NOW INVITE TO THE MICROPHONE.
SIT, UH, WHAT'S YOUR, YOUR QUESTION JUST TO RAISE THE DESK SO I DON'T HAVE TO SIT.
I BELIEVE THERE'S A BUTTON AT THE FRONT THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO RAISE THE DESK.
THANK YOU MS. WALKER FOR BEING HERE.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW THE DRILL.
UM, WHENEVER YOU BEGIN YOUR COMMENT.
THREE MINUTES AND WE JUST ASK THAT YOU SPENT THE TIME.
I'M DISTRICT 14 OZZIE'S POSTING ALONE ON INSTAGRAM.
OF THE VIDEO THAT YOU SAW, JUST HIS
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HAD OVER 6,200 LIKES, ALMOST A THOUSAND COMMENTS, 1,096 REPOSTS AND 1500 SHARES, SO IT WENT VIRAL.HERE'S A SAMPLING OF FACEBOOK COMMENTS REGARDING DPD FROM THIS POST.
DECLINE MONEY JUST TO DO IT FOR FREE.
WITHHOLD PAY, THEY AREN'T SERVING AND PROTECTING, AND THIS IS WHY WE DON'T TRUST POLICE.
SO THE DALLAS POLICE CHIEF LIED.
POLICE STOOD BY WHILE TWO PEOPLE WERE ABDUCTED.
THIS COMMUNITY WILL NEVER TRUST POLICE AGAIN.
FDPD DALLAS POLICE ARE CLEARLY PRESENT DURING ACTIONS INVOLVING ICE.
THERE ARE PLENTY OF VIDEOS AND PICTURES ALL OVER THE INTERNET SUPPORTING THIS.
MEMBERS ARE CLEARLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE EXTENT OF GP D'S ROLE.
THEY'RE TRAINING TO DEAL WITH THESE SITUATIONS, AND WHETHER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S INTERNAL POLICIES ARE BEING FOLLOWED.
PER THE POLICE CHIEF INTERVIEW IN OCTOBER WITH KERA, HE HAS THREE TOP PRIORITIES, TRANSPARENCY, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, AND HIRING MORE OFFICERS.
WE BELIEVE THAT TRANSPARENCY IS CRITICAL IN BUILDING COMMUNITY TRUST AND ENGAGEMENT.
OUR REQUEST THAT THE CPOB FORMALLY ADDS A STANDING MONTHLY AGENDA ITEM REQUIRING DPT TO PROVIDE THE FOLLOWING.
A MONTHLY REPORT DETAILING CALLS, RESPONSES, OR ENCOUNTERS WITH ICE.
THAT THE INCIDENT SUMMARIES INCLUDE THE REASON FOR DPD INVOLVEMENT, ACTIONS TAKEN BY DPD OFFICERS, AND OUTCOME OF THE INCIDENT THAT THE CPOB RECEIVES.
A BRIEFING ON TRAINING PROCEDURES, INCLUDING CURRENT TRAINING FOR OFFICERS WHEN FACING IMMIGRATION RELATED SITUATIONS.
RECENT CHANGES, IF ANY, AND PLANNED UPDATES TO TRAINING CURRICULUM GUIDANCE PROVIDED TO OFFICERS WHEN INTERACTING WITH FEDERAL IMMIGRATION AUTHORITIES THAT THE CPOB SUBMITS A MONTHLY REPORT TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
SUMMARIZING THESE ACTIVITIES AND FINDINGS.
ENCLO A CONSISTENT STRUCTURE INCREASES TRANSPARENCY IN PUBLIC UNDERSTANDING OF DPDS ROLE.
IT ALLOWS PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND ON THIS TOPIC, AND IT ALLOWS THE BOARD TO MONITOR AND ENSURE'S PRACTICES ALIGN WITH CITY POLICY.
UH, THAT LIST THAT YOU PROVIDED, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE SENT TO ONE OF US? THE LIST THAT YOU PROVIDED? UM, I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS TO LEARN TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT LIST OF WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE ON THE MONTHLY DISCUSSION.
YEAH, I'D BE HAPPY TO SEND YOU A COPY.
OR I MEAN, YOU CAN, I CAN GET IT TO MY, UM, TO MY DISTRICT, MR. FRIEDMAN.
NEXT, I'D LIKE TO INVITE TO THE MICROPHONE.
IS THERE A, IS THERE A JOHN PUTNAM? WE'LL MOVE ON.
LEE ESTRADA, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE DRILL.
UM, WHENEVER YOU BEGIN YOUR COMMENT, THE TIMER WILL GO IN THREE MINUTES.
I PERSONALLY RESIDE IN DISTRICT 11.
I'M HERE AS A CONCERNED RESIDENT WHO HAS BEEN GETTING UP AT FOUR IN THE MORNING MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, UM, TO CONDUCT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH, WHICH IS NOW CONSIDERED ONE OF THE MOST VULNERABLE AREAS, DISTRICT FIVE OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS ON WEDNESDAY, AS SHOWN IN THE VIDEO BEFORE, UM, BY ZAEL, UM, I WAS THERE WITH HIM ON NOVEMBER 26TH.
UM, WE WERE DRIVING AROUND DISTRICT FIVE AS A COMMUNITY THERE, HAD VOCALIZED AT THIS POINT ABOUT ICE BEING PRESENT IN THEIR STREETS THAT MORNING.
AS WE WERE DRIVING DOWN LAKE JUNE ROAD, WE LOOKED OVER TO OUR LEFT TO SEE A DETAINMENT BY MASKED MEN WEARING VESTS.
IT APPEARED THAT THE COMMUNITY MEMBER BEING DETAINED WAS JUST PUMPING GAS.
LIKE ANY TYPICAL MORNING, WE DECIDED TO APPROACH THE GAS STATION TO IDENTIFY THESE MASK MEN.
AS WE APPROACHED THEM, THEY IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES AS BEING ICE.
THE POLICE OFFICERS WERE NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.
THERE WAS FOUR PATROL OFFICERS OUTSIDE, SO WE TOOK IT UPON OURSELVES TO GO INSIDE THE SEVEN 11 GAS STATION AT THAT CORNER TO SEE WHERE THEY COULD BE LOCATED.
WHEN WE WERE INSIDE, WE WERE CONFUSED AS TO WHY FOUR POLICE OFFICERS WERE SO CALM.
GIVEN THE BIZARRE SITUATION GOING, GOING
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ON OUTSIDE OF THE SEVEN 11.UM, WE WERE THEN QUESTIONED WHY WE WERE THERE PRESENT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
IT WAS APPALLING TO HEAR THE DALLAS POLICE QUESTION THEIR OWN COMMUNITY MEMBERS ABOUT THE CONCERNS, UM, CIRCULATING THE COMMUNITY.
WHEN WE ATTEMPTED TO OBTAIN MORE ANSWERS, WE WERE RIDICULED AND ULTIMATELY FELT UNSAFE.
I ALSO CAME AT THE 2 87 G PROGRAM TO SPEAK ON NOVEMBER 6TH AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND GOVERNMENT EFFICIENCY COMMITTEE MEETING.
UM, I'M CONCERNED THAT THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, ALTHOUGH NOT DIRECTLY ACTING AS ICE AGENTS, IS STILL ASSISTING IN ICE EFFORTS TO DETAIN MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
WHEN WE ASKED FOR A WARRANT, WE WERE IGNORED.
WHEN WE WERE ASKED ASKING FOR CLARITY, WE WERE LOOKED AWAY.
IT'S A SHAME THAT ONE OF THE PATROL OFFICERS WHO WAS DRIVING AWAY FROM THE SCENE YELLED OUT OF HIS WINDOW, GET A JOB.
I'M HERE TO REQUEST THAT IT'S TIME THAT THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT STAND UP AND START DOING THEIRS.
UM, WE WERE TOLD THAT HE WENT INSIDE TO TELL THEM THAT THERE WAS MEN STALKING HIM.
AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS, BUT ANY PERSON PUT IN THAT SITUATION IS FEARING FOR THEIR LIVES.
I'M HERE TO REQUEST THE FOLLOWING ON THE AGENDA TODAY, YOU GUYS ARE DISCUSSING MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORTS BY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND DISTRICTS.
I'M HERE TO REQUEST THAT ICE ACTIVITY REPORTS BE INCLUDED ON THOSE MONTHLY EMAILS TO REMAIN TRANSPARENCY, A REVIEW OF THE PROTOCOL, AND HOW TO PROPERLY APPROACH A FEARED COMMUNITY MEMBER COMING UP TO YOU AND TELL THEM, HEY, SOMEONE IS STALKING ME.
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? ON BEHALF OF EVERY IMMIGRANT IN THIS CITY WHO IS LIVING FEARFUL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
UH, NORA SOTO, MAKE SURE, UH, SINCE YOU SIGNED UP, YOU HAVE YOUR TIME.
UM, WHENEVER YOU BEGIN, THREE MINUTES WE'LL BEGIN AS WELL.
MY NAME IS NO SOTO, UH, FROM DISTRICT FOUR.
I FIND IT REALLY STRANGE THAT THE POLICE CHIEF DOESN'T ATTEND THESE MEETINGS SINCE THEY DIRECTLY CONCERN HIM AND HIS DEPARTMENT.
UM, BUT I AM HERE TO SPEAK ON THE CONTINUED SIGHTINGS OF THE POLICE WORKING WITH EYES TO KIDNAP OUR NEIGHBORS.
UH, IT IS NO SURPRISE THAT THE POLICE CHIEF PUBLICLY LIED TO THE RESIDENTS AND TO COUNSEL ABOUT NOT COLLABORATING WITH ICE AT THE BUDGET TOWN HALLS.
UH, THAT HAPPENED BACK IN AUGUST.
I CONFRONTED HIM ABOUT THIS SINCE THERE WERE ALREADY RUMORS, UH, ABOUT, UH, THE DPD, UH, COLLABORATING WITH ICE.
AND HE TOLD ME TO MY FACE THAT IT WASN'T TRUE.
I TOLD HIM TO HIS FACE THAT I KNEW FOR A FACT IT WAS TRUE, AND HE HAD HIS BODYGUARD ESCORT ME OUT.
UM, I WONDER HOW MUCH THE BODYGUARD GETS PAID.
UH, SO ANYWAYS, THE POLICE CHIEF HAS SAID IN THE PAST THAT THE FORCE RELIES ON BUILDING TRUST WITHIN OUR COMMUNITIES IN ORDER TO WORK TOGETHER TO LOWER CRIME.
THAT WAS ALREADY A VERY UNSTABLE, UH, CONNECTION BETWEEN THE POLICE AND THE COMMUNITY.
AND NOW IT'S EVEN FURTHER DESTABILIZED BECAUSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH ICE.
NOT THAT I BELIEVE ANYONE REALLY CARES, UH, WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT IF YOU WANNA PORTRAY THE OPTICS THAT YOU WANNA WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO KEEP THE COMMUNITY SAFE, AND YOU WANT ESSENTIALLY TO CREATE LIKE SNITCHES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, I FEEL LIKE IT'S IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TO, UH, MAINTAIN THAT TRUST.
POLICE OFFICERS ARE ALREADY LACKING TRACKING, UH, LACKING TRAINING TO HANDLE THE USUAL INTERACTIONS WITH THE PUBLIC.
AND NOW THEY'RE ADDING A NEW VARIABLE INTO THE EQUATION THAT THEY ARE NOT PREPARED FOR EITHER.
UH, WE ALREADY KNOW THAT POLICE HARM RESIDENTS WITH THE CURRENT TRAINING THAT THEY HAVE, THEY SHOOT RESIDENTS WITH THE CURRENT, CURRENT TRAINING THAT THEY HAVE.
THEY KILL RESIDENTS WITH THE CURRENT TRAINING THAT THEY HAVE.
SO WHEN THEY'RE BEING THROWN INTO THESE SITUATIONS THAT ARE ALREADY SUPER CHAOTIC, BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE LIKE CRAZY VIGILANTE ICE AGENTS, UM, CREATING VIOLENCE AND THEY'RE THROWN INTO THESE SITUATIONS, I CAN'T SEE HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE A GOOD OUTCOME.
I KNOW IN THE PAST, RESIDENTS HAVE BROUGHT UP HOW OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN OTHER STATES, OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN SUED FOR THEIR COLLABORATION WITH ICE, AS WELL AS FOR THE HARM THAT THEY CAUSED DURING THOSE RAIDS.
UM, THAT LEADS TO, UH, MONEY BEING USED FROM THEIR BUDGETS TO PAY FOR LEGAL FEES AND, UM, OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.
CHIEF CUOMO LIKES TO PARROT THE PHRASE LOWER THE RESPONSE TIMES, AND HE STRESSES HOW THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PRIORITIES FOR THE DEPARTMENT AND THE RESIDENTS.
AND YET HE IS PULLING HIS OFFICERS FROM THEIR PATROLS, FROM THEIR DUTIES IN ORDER TO ASSIST, TO ACT AS BODYGUARDS, UH, FOR THESE ROGUE AGENTS THAT
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DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.UM, WE ARE DEMANDING THAT YOU BE TRANSPARENT AND WE'RE DEMANDING THAT YOU STOP WORKING WITH ICE.
ONE LAST CALL FOR, UH, JOHN PUTNAM.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, MR. PUTNAM.
UH, THE FLOOR IS YOURS AND WE'LL HAVE A TIMER AT THREE MINUTES, AND WE JUST HAVE TO RESPECT THAT.
UH, MY NAME IS JOHN PUTNAM FROM DISTRICT 10, AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT CONCERNS WITH POLICE COOPERATION WITH IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT.
LAST MONTH, OVER 60 RESIDENTS SPOKE AGAINST THE 2 87 G AGREEMENT WITH ICE, BUT MORE THAN THAT EXPRESSED THAT THE PEOPLE DO NOT FEEL SAFE HAVING MASS ICE AGENTS IN OUR COMMUNITIES DISAPPEARING.
OUR NEIGHBORS, EVERYONE WAS THERE, CITY COUNCIL, DPD, AND EVEN ICE REPRESENTATIVES.
SO WHY HAVE COMMUNITY MEMBERS DOCUMENTED POLICE COOPERATING WITH ICE APPREHENDING OUR NEIGHBORS SINCE THEN? COOPERATION WITH ICE DAMAGES TRUST AND DPD, SO PEOPLE ARE LESS LIKELY TO TURN TO DPD WHEN THEY'RE NEEDED.
FURTHERMORE, I WANT TO SPEAK TO THE NEED FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO MONITOR AND RECORD LAW ENFORCEMENT.
LOCAL AND FEDERAL WE'RE JUST FIVE YEARS REMOVED FROM GLOBAL PROTESTS BEING REQUIRED TO ARREST AND HOLD ACCOUNTABLE.
FOUR COPS WHO MURDERED AN INNOCENT MAN ON DUTY.
IT SHOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN MILLIONS OF PEOPLE RISING UP, TOLD FOUR COPS ACCOUNTABLE FOR A CLEAR MURDER.
BUT THAT IS THE WORLD WE LIVE IN.
IMAGINE WHAT LITTLE JUSTICE THERE WOULD'VE BEEN HAD WITNESSES NOT RECORDED AND DOCUMENTED THAT ABUSE BY LAW ENFORCEMENT.
IT IS A LEGAL RIGHT TO RECORD LAW ENFORCEMENT IN PUBLIC SPACES, BOTH FEDERAL AND LOCAL.
THIS IS NECESSARY FOR POLICE OVERSIGHT.
HOWEVER, ACCORDING TO THE BRENNAN CENTER FOR JUSTICE ICE HAS RECENTLY SPENT 25 MILLION ON SURVEILLANCE AND HACKING EQUIPMENT, NOT TO TARGET UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS, BUT TO TARGET US CITIZENS LEGALLY MONITORING ICE ACTIVITIES.
THIS IS AIDED BY FLOCK CAMERAS THAT THE CITY AUTHORIZED AND ICE ACCESSES TO VEIL DALLAS SITES.
THIS CREATES A CHILLING EFFECT ON POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY AND THE ABILITY OF CITIZENS TO PEACEFULLY PROTEST AND HOLD LAW ENFORCEMENT ACCOUNTABLE USING FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
THE ONLY WAY TO HAVE TRUE ACCOUNTABILITY IS TO HAVE MONTHLY REPORTING DETAILING THE FREQUENCY, PURPOSE, AND RESULT DATA FOR ICE REQUESTS.
ICE'S REQUESTS BOTH FORMAL AND INFORMAL FOR DPD SUPPORT.
I ALSO WANNA KNOW WHY THE CITY HAS GIVEN ICE ACCESS TO TRACKING DEVICES USED TO MONITOR DALLAS SITES, THESE FLOCK CAMERAS, AND WHO THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO CREATE A TRACKING SYSTEM FOR DALLAS SITES THAT COULD BE ACCESSED BY ANY NUMBER OF BAD ACTORS WITH WITHOUT REQUIRING JUDICIAL WARRANTS AS OUTLINED IN THE US CONSTITUTION.
AND I DO NOTICE ON THE AGENDA THERE IS, UH, A REPORT LATER BY TBD ABOUT THE FLOCK CAMERA, SO YOU MIGHT WANNA STAY FOR THAT.
ALSO, UH, TO LISTEN TO THAT PRESENTATION.
I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC COMMENT.
I DO WANT TO, JUST A FEW COMMENTS.
UM, THANK TO ALL WHO CAME TO SPEAK.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK I CAN SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD THAT WE CARE DEEPLY ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND, UM, YOU CAME TO THE RIGHT PLACE AND YOU'VE GIVEN US SOME GREAT IDEAS, UH, FOR US TO CONSIDER.
UM, AS FAR AS THE REPORTS THAT WE CAN ASK FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, WAYS THAT WE CAN KEEP THIS CONVERSATION IN, UH, THE PUBLIC EYE.
AND I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
I DO, UH, WANNA SAY THERE IS A, AN UPDATE ON, ON THIS, THE VIDEO THAT WAS SHOWN TODAY DISTURBING, UM, A COMPLAINT HAS BEEN FILED TO THE OCPO, WHICH MEANS THAT A COMPLAINT, UH, IS GOING TO, UM, THE IED AS WELL AND, UH, SPEAKING TO THEM PRIOR TO THIS MEETING, UM, THAT IS IN REVIEW.
AND SO I THINK THERE'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DISCUSS THAT AT A LATER TIME.
UH, BUT, UH, THE PROPER CHANNELS WERE PASSED WHERE A COMPLAINT WAS FILED, AND NOW THE OFFICE, UH, CAN DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND LOOK INTO IT.
DID YOU WANNA SPEAK ANY MORE DIRECTOR ON THAT? OKAY.
WE APPRECIATE THAT MR. CHAIRMAN? YES.
MR. FRIEDMAN, WERE YOU, WERE YOU SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE BOARD, OR, OR CAN WE MAKE ANY COMMENTS ON, ON THAT? YEAH, IF YOU KEEP IT BRIEF, THAT'S FINE.
UM, BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14.
I JUST WANNA SAY A COUPLE THINGS AND I WILL KEEP IT BRIEF.
UM, I'D LIKE TO ECHO WHAT THE CHAIRMAN SAID.
I WANNA THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING.
UH, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE FEEL AS YOU DO IN THE CITY, AND YOU GUYS ARE THE ONES WHO SHOWED UP.
UM, I JUST, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UM, I, I HAVE, I HAVE WATCHED A LOT OF THESE VIDEOS.
UM, I HEARD CHIEF COMO, WHAT HE TOLD US ABOUT COLLABORATING WITH ICE.
UH, I DON'T CARE IF THEY'RE JUST SETTING A PERIMETER, UH, OR WHATEVER.
MY VIEW IS, THEY DON'T NEED TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ICE.
UM, DPDS RESPONSIBILITY IS TO PROTECT DALLAS RESIDENTS, IN MY VIEW.
UM, AND THAT'S NUMBER ONE, UNTIL WE GET RESPONSE TIMES DOWN, I DON'T THINK DPD SHOULD BE, HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS ORGANIZATION.
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END, I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO WHAT, UH, THESE DALLAS RESIDENTS HAVE SAID.I ALSO BELIEVE WE NEED A MONTHLY BRIEFING FROM DPD ON ANY COLLABORATION WITH ICE SO THAT WE CAN HEAR ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON, SO THAT WE HAVE VISIBILITY ON IT, AND SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE OUR FEEDBACK ON IT.
UM, SO I WOULD, I TOO WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT EVERY MONTH.
THIS DOES CONCLUDE A PUBLIC COMMENT, OPEN MICROPHONE, BUT ALSO, UH, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE, UH, TO SPEAK AGAIN, WE, WE HAVE A TIME AT THE END OF OUR MEETING WHERE, UH, UH, WE'LL ALSO HAVE A TIME OF PUBLIC COMMENT, SO STAY TO THE VERY END AND THERE'LL BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY, UH, FOR THOSE.
UH, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UH, PARTICIPATE IN PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE ARE NOW GONNA MOVE, UH, TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF OUR NOVEMBER 10TH, 2025 MEETING MINUTES.
IF THE BOARD COULD REVIEW THE MINUTES INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKETS, UH, LOOK THROUGH, UH, THE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING.
AND, UH, IF THERE ARE NO CORRECTIONS, I'D LOVE, UH, FOR A MEMBER OF THE BOARD TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 10TH, 2025.
JENNY KING, DISTRICT 10 I, I MO MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER.
LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FOUR SECOND.
AND I WAS YOUR MICROPHONE ON DR.
UM, WE'LL DO A, UH, UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? DO NOT BELIEVE SO.
UH, THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
WE'RE GONNA NOW MOVE, UH, TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS UPDATE ON THE REQUEST FOR 9 1 1.
EMERGENCY RESPONSE TIMES DATA AND PRIORITY CALL DATA.
UH, WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, ROBERT VE UM, HE ISN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT TODAY, BUT WE DO HAVE, UH, OUR POLICY ANALYST SIERRA, WHO IS, UH, GONNA BE ABLE TO, UH, GIVE US A REPORT ON THIS.
UH, DURING THE NOVEMBER CPOB MEETING BOARD MEMBERS REQUESTED DATA FROM THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT REGARDING PRIORITY CALL VOLUME VERSUS THE RESPONSE TIME, AS WELL AS CALL TO ARREST DATA BE BROKEN DOWN BY COUNCIL DISTRICT.
CURRENTLY DPDS DATA, THEIR CALL DATA IS AGGREGATED BY PATROL DIVISION RATHER THAN COUNCIL DISTRICT.
BUT WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN A TABLE THAT PROVIDED, UH, COUNCIL DISTRICTS, WHICH COUNCIL DISTRICTS FELL WITHIN THE PATROL DIVISION, AND WHICH PATROL DIVISIONS PROVIDED COVERAGE FOR EACH DISTRICT.
THAT SHOULD BE IN YOUR BINDERS FOR YOU TO REFERENCE.
I DO WANNA NOTE THAT THIS MEMO ONLY REFLECT, REFLECTS THE PRIORITY CALL VOLUME DATA AND THE CORRESPONDING AVERAGE RESPONSE TIMES WILL WORK IN JANUARY TO GET THE CALL TO ARREST DATA.
THE DATA YOU SEE HERE WAS PROVIDED BY THE 9 1 1 EMERGENCIES COMMUNICATION CENTER.
TO SUMMARIZE, THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S CALL VOLUME AND PATROL DIVISION RESPONSE TIMES EMPHASIZING PRIORITY ONE AND PRIORITY TWO FOR FISCAL YEARS 2023 THROUGH 2025.
THE CENTRAL PATROL DIVISION, WHICH PATROLS OVER COUNCIL DISTRICTS 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 14, AND NINE FOR THE CENTRAL PATROL DIVISION FROM FISCAL YEAR 2023 THROUGH 2025.
THE HIGHEST CALL VOLUME TYPE REMAINED PRIORITY TWO.
THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME FOR PRIORITY ONE WAS 8.6 MINUTES, AND THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME FOR PRIORITY TWO WAS 41.4 FOR FISCAL YEAR 23 THROUGH 24.
THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME FOR PRIORITY ONE WAS 8.1 MINUTES.
THE PRIORITY TWO WAS 41.5 MINUTES FOR FISCAL YEAR 24, 25.
THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME FOR PRIORITY ONE WAS 7.8.
THE NORTHEAST PATROL DIVISION, WHICH PATROLS OVER COUNCIL DISTRICTS 2, 7, 10, 11, 13, 14, AND NINE FOR THE NORTHEAST PATROL DIVISION FROM FISCAL YEAR 2023 THROUGH 2025.
THE HIGHEST CALL VOLUME TYPE REMAINED A PRIORITY TWO.
IN FISCAL YEAR 23, THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME FOR PRIORITY ONE WAS 10.7 MINUTES, AND PRIORITY TWO WAS 141.6 MINUTES.
THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME FOR PRIORITY ONE WAS 10.9 MINUTES.
AND PRIORITY TWO, ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY ONE 0.7 MINUTES FOR FISCAL YEAR 24 25.
THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME FOR PRIORITY ONE WAS 11.2 MINUTES.
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159.3 MINUTES.SOUTHEAST PATROL DIVISION, WHICH PATROLS OVER COUNCIL DISTRICTS 2, 4, 5, 7, AND EIGHT FOR THE SOUTHEAST PATROL DIVISION FROM FISCAL YEAR 2023 THROUGH 2025.
THE HIGHEST CALL VOLUME TYPE REMAINED PRIORITY TWO AND FISCAL YEAR 23, THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME FOR PRIORITY ONE WAS 13.4 MINUTES.
AND PRIORITY 2, 181 0.9 MINUTES FISCAL YEAR 2324.
THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME FOR PRIORITY ONE WAS 15 POINT 15 MINUTES, AND PRIORITY TWO WAS 182.2 MINUTES AND 24 FISCAL YEAR 20 24, 20 25.
PRIORITY ONE WAS 15.4 MINUTES, AND PARTY TWO WAS 187.6 MINUTES.
THE SOUTHWEST PATROL DIVISION, WHICH PATROLS OVER COUNCIL DISTRICTS 1, 3, 4, 6, AND EIGHT FOR THE SOUTHWEST PATROL DIVISION FROM FISCAL YEAR 2023, THE HIGHEST CALL VOLUME TYPE REMAINED A PRIORITY TWO IN FISCAL YEAR 2023.
THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME FOR PRIORITY ONE WAS 12.8 MINUTES.
PRIORITY TWO WAS 100.8 MINUTES FISCAL YEAR 2324.
THE PRIORITY ONE TIME WAS 12.2 MINUTES, AND PRIORITY TWO WAS 79.4 MINUTES FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 24, 20 25.
PRIORITY ONE WAS 12.6 MINUTES.
AND PRIORITY TWO WAS 95.1 MINUTE.
THE NORTHWEST PATROL DIVISION, WHICH PATROLS OVER COUNCIL DISTRICTS 2, 6, 11, 13, AND 14, THE NORTHWEST PATROL DIVISION FROM FISCAL YEAR 2023 THROUGH 2025, THE HIGHEST CALL VOLUME TYPE REMAINED A PRIORITY TWO.
AND FISCAL YEAR 2023, THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME FOR PRIORITY ONE WAS 10 MINUTES, AND PRIORITY TWO WAS 58 MINUTES.
IN FISCAL YEAR 23 THROUGH 2024, THE PRIORITY ONE WAS 9.7 MINUTES.
AND PRIORITY TWO WAS 54.5 MINUTES.
FISCAL YEAR 2024 THROUGH 2025.
PRIORITY ONE WAS 9.5 MINUTES, AND PARTY TWO WAS 57.5 MINUTES.
THE NORTH CENTRAL PATROL DIVISION, WHICH PATROLS OVER COUNCIL DISTRICTS 11, 12, 13, AND NINE, THE NORTHWEST CENTRAL PATROL DIVISION FROM FISCAL YEAR 2020 THROUGH 2023 THROUGH 2025 HAD THE HIGHEST CALL VOLUME TYPE AS PRIORITY TWO AND FISCAL YEAR 23.
YOU, YOU DID A GREAT JOB READING THIS.
UH, BUT I THINK WE'VE ALL, WE'VE KIND OF READ THE DOCUMENT.
IT'S A LOT OF NUMBERS, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I JUST WANT TO CUT YOU OFF 'CAUSE I THINK WE'VE ALL KIND OF READ, READ THROUGH THE DOCUMENT FASTER.
UM, I WANNA GIVE THE BOARD, THIS IS VERY INTERESTING DATA.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ACCUMULATING THIS.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S VALUABLE TO SEE.
UM, WELL, FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WANT TO ALSO, FOR THE MINUTES NOTE THAT CHAGA HIGGINS, DISTRICT THREE IS PRESENT IN THE MEETING.
JUST SO, UH, THAT'S MADE, THAT MADE THAT KNOWN IN THE, UM, MEETING MINUTES, UM, VERY INTERESTING DATE.
I WANNA OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD THIS TIME TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS, UH, TO MS. JI.
UH, SHE MAY NOT HAVE THE ANSWER, UH, RIGHT ON HAND, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT MAYBE IF, IF THERE'S SOMEONE THAT COULD, COULD SPEAK TO IT OR WE CAN MOVE IT TO ANOTHER MEETING.
BUT, UH, BOARD MEMBERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS DOCUMENT, UH, ABOUT DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S RESPONSE TIME DATA? YOU HAVE A QUICK QUESTION? YES, MS. KING, MY QUESTION IS REALLY CLARIFICATION FOR THE PRIORITY TWO CALLS.
WHAT CAN YOU DEFINE AGAIN, WHAT URGENT MEANS? DO YOU KNOW?
THOSE NUMBERS ARE REALLY BAD ACROSS THE CITY, EXCEPT PERHAPS IN THE CENTRAL PATROL DIVISION.
UM, IT SEEMS LIKE EMERGENCY ONES, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE MUCH BETTER.
SO I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT THE RANGE OF URGENT IS.
I WILL TRY TO, UH, EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT CHIEF, MONIQUE, ALEX, I'LL TRY MY BEST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
I APOLOGIZE FOR, UH, ROBERT REBA'S, UH, NON-ATTENDANCE.
UM, BUT IF WE ARE, IF YOU WILL PROVIDE US THE QUESTIONS, WE'LL GET THEM TO YOU AND, UH, PROBABLY BY THE END OF THE WEEK.
SO HE JUST HAD HIS DAYS MIXED UP, BUT I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? SURE.
IT'S MORE JUST, UM, WE DON'T, WE, THE PUBLIC DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CLASSIFY EMERGENCY VERSUS URGENT VERSUS, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A PRIORITY, PRIORITY THREE OR FOUR, BUT WHAT DOES URGENT STAND FOR IN POLICE VERNACULAR? SO IN, IN AN URGENT OR PRIORITY ONE, UH, CALL IS A LIFE OR DEATH CALL, FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S A SHOOTING AND, UH, A, A CUTTING, SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO GET THERE PROMPTLY.
URGENT IS, IS NOT LIFE OR DEATH, BUT THEY STILL NEED POLICE ACTIVITY.
YOUR PRIORITY THREES AND FOURS, UM, FOR
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EXAMPLE, YOUR FOURS WOULD BE LIKE A LOUD MUSIC, UH, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? UH, YEAH, I DO HAVE A MR. MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO, JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO, UH, AS IT RELATES TO THE BREAKDOWN, UM, OF, OF, UH, THE INCIDENTS IN THESE DISTRICTS THAT IS FORTHCOMING IN JANUARY.
THE CALL TO ARREST DATA THAT WILL BE PRESENTED IN JANUARY.
THE ARREST DATA WILL BE PRESENTED IN JANUARY.
AND SO SINCE IT, IT, IT IS PROBABLY GOING TO, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS REQUEST AS RELATES TO REPORTING FOR ICE.
WE MIGHT WANNA DO THAT BY DISTRICT AS WELL, IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD ALSO DO.
I'M TAKING NOTE, TAKING NOTES.
AND, AND AS I'VE ALWAYS LOOKED AT ARRESTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, ESPECIALLY IN MY DISTRICT HAVING FIVE DIVISIONS THAT PATROL D TWO, I KNOW D TWO WAS BIG, THAT, THAT MAY, UM, ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I'VE BEEN HAVING ALL ALONG.
THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS GREAT WORK.
SO WE'LL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, THE NUMBERS NEXT MONTH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I WILL NOTE THAT WHEN IT COMES TO COMPLAINTS GIVEN TO THE OCPO OFFICE, RESPONSE TIMES IS THE NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT.
I THINK THIS IS AN ISSUE, UH, THAT CITIZENS OF DALLAS CARE ABOUT.
UM, I KNOW THAT IN SOME DIVISIONS THERE'S AN IMPROVEMENT IN, IN LAST, LAST THREE YEARS, SOME DIVISIONS, THEY'RE, UM, THE NUMBERS ARE WORSE.
AND, UM, I'D BE CURIOUS, UH, TO KNOW, AND I THINK MR. OBE THE RIGHT PERSON, MAYBE WE CAN HAVE HIM BACK TO TALK ABOUT WHAT, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S DOING TO HELP WITH RESPONSE TIMES.
'CAUSE THIS IS, UH, AGAIN, THE NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT THAT THE OFFICE RECEIVES HAS TO DO WITH POLICE NOT RESPONDING, UH, IN, IN THEIR OPINION, IN APPROPRIATE TIME.
RESPONSE TIMES ARE, ARE IMPORTANT.
UH, CHIEF CUOMO HAS CHALLENGED THE PATROL COMMANDERS TO COME UP WITH DIFFERENT STRATEGIES, WHEREAS WE CAN REDUCE THE RESPONSE TIME.
UM, WE ARE MAKING SMALL IMPROVEMENTS, BUT, BUT WE DO NEED TO, UH, PICK UP OUR RESPONSE TIME THAT THAT'S THE, THE DATA IS WHAT THE DATA IS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'LL KEEP THIS CONVERSATION GOING AND, AND MAYBE INVITE MR. URIBE BACK, 'CAUSE I KNOW HE'S, HE'S IN, IN CHARGE OF THAT DIVISION.
IS THAT RIGHT? THAT, THAT WORKS IN, IN THAT DIRECTOR URIBE IS IN CHARGE OF COMMUNICATIONS? YES.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE, UH, WE MOVE TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM? BUT THIS WILL BE A DISCUSSION.
I THINK WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S IMPORTANT SEEING THERE'S NONE.
APPRECIATE THAT CHIEF DEPUTY ALEX ALSO, UH, MS.
UH, WE'LL NOW MOVE, UH, TO A AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS A PRESENTATION ON THE FLOCK CAMERA, AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER, A LPR.
UH, WE HAVE AMONG US SERGEANT ADAM REINHARDT.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, SERGEANT.
UM, AND ALONG WITH THE PRESENTATION, I BELIEVE, IS THERE A POWERPOINT THAT HIS COMPANY YES, HE GOT.
AND, UM, AND THEN, UH, ALSO A MAJOR GREER.
UM, AND FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS TO KNOW, I BELIEVE THIS POWERPOINT IS ALSO IN OUR BOARD PACKET, SO WE CAN FOLLOW THROUGH, UH, VIA THE SCREEN OR ALSO IN OUR PACKET.
UH, BUT WITHOUT ANY FURTHER ADO, I WANNA GIVE THE FLOOR, UH, TO SERGEANT REINHARDT, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND FOR, FOR, UH, GIVING US INSIGHT INTO, UH, THIS ISSUE.
UH, COULD I BELIEVE THE MICROPHONE MIGHT NOT BE ON? I APOLOGIZE.
UH, I'M SERGEANT REINHARDT WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I WORK IN THE OPERATIONAL TECHNOLOGY UNIT AND CURRENTLY SUPERVISE OUR FLOCK PROGRAM.
SO JUST AS AN OVERVIEW OF THE FLOCK PROGRAM THAT THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT USES, UM, IT CAPTURES LICENSE PLATES AS A VERY BASIC OVERVIEW OF WHAT IT DOES.
IT DOES NOT CAPTURE NAMES, FACES, OR THE DRIVER IMAGES WHENEVER IT'S CAPTURING THE LICENSE PLATES.
THE CAMERAS ARE ONLY FACED TO PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
IT'S NOT, THEY DO NOT FACE PRIVATE STREETS OR PRIVATE RESIDENCES.
UH, THE SYSTEM RETAINS AN, UM, ANONYMOUS VEHICLE DATA.
SO THE VEHICLE DATA THAT IT DOES, THAT IT DOES STORE IS THE LICENSE PLATES AND DESCRIPTORS OF THE VEHICLE.
IT DOES NOT STORE ANY NCIC INFORMATION, UM, FROM THE NATIONAL CRIME DATABASE.
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DATA IS AUTOMATICALLY PURGED AFTER THE RETENTION PERIOD COMES UP.UH, IT COMES UP TO, YOU KNOW, RETENTION PERIOD.
SO IT DELETES AFTER THAT, THAT RETENTION PERIOD IS UP.
AND THAT IS FOUR HOT LIST HITS AND ALSO REGULAR LPR READS.
SO ACCESS TO THE, UH, FLOCK SYSTEM FOR THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
ONLY TRAINED AND AUTHORIZED PERSONNEL ARE GIVEN ACCESS OR ALLOWED ACCESS TO OUR FLOCK PLATFORM, WHICH IS DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS.
UM, THE DATA IS NEVER SOLD OR SHARED WITH PRIVATE ENTITIES.
THE ACCESS IS LIMITED TO ONLY AUTHORIZED LAW ENFORCEMENT PARTNERS.
UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE RECEIVED FROM THE BOARD WAS WHAT FEDERAL AGENCIES THAT WE SHARE WITH.
AND CURRENTLY THE ONLY FEDERAL AGENCY WE SHARE WITH IS THE US POSTAL INSPECTOR'S OFFICE.
UH, EVERY SEARCH, UH, REQUIRES A REASON AND A CASE NUMBER FOR THE OFFICER TO RUN.
SO IF SOME, IF AN OFFICER IS RUNNING A LICENSE PLATE, THEY HAVE TO PUT IN A REASON FOR THE SEARCH AND THEN A CASE NUMBER OR AN INSTANT NUMBER THAT WE CAN THEN ASSOCIATE TO THAT SEARCH AND THE INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING.
UH, ALL THE SEARCHES AND ACCESS WITHIN THE FLOCK DATABASE ARE LOGGED.
WE'RE ABLE TO SEE THE OFFICER, UH, WHO, WHO RAN THE SEARCH, THE DATE, THE TIME, WHAT VEHICLE LICENSE PLATE THEY RAN, OR WHAT DESCRIPTORS THEY USED TO RUN THAT, AND THEN WHAT CAMERAS WERE USED FOR THAT SEARCH.
WE CONSTANTLY REVIEW POLICY AND ALSO KEEP UP TO DATE WITH STATE FEDERAL LAW AND CASE LAW TO ENSURE THAT OUR PROGRAM ALSO ABIDES BY ALL THOSE STATE, LOCAL AND FEDERAL CASE LAWS AND POLICIES.
THIS IS A MAP SHOWING THE FLOCK CAMERA LOCATIONS IN THE VERY, YOU KNOW, HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UH, THE LOCATIONS, THE SELECTIONS ARE BASED OFF OF CRIME PATTERNS AND INVESTIGATIVE VALUE THAT THEY WOULD BRING.
UH, THE PRIORITY IS ALONG HIGH CRIME CORRIDORS IN AREAS WITH REPEAT OFFENDER ACTIVITY.
UM, AND THEN THIS ALSO SUPPORTS OBVIOUSLY THE DETERRENCE FACTOR, THE INVESTIGATION, AND THE, THE ABILITY TO RAPIDLY IDENTIFY VEHICLES TIED TO CRIMES.
SO IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING CRIMES WHERE WE CAN GET THAT VEHICLE INFORMATION THAT HELPS THE INVESTIGATION AND IMMEDIATE RESPONSE TO IT.
ALL RIGHT, SO FOLLOWING UP PROGRAM OBJECTIVES.
THIS IS FOR REAL TIME ALERTS FOR VEHICLES SUCH AS WANTED PERSON STOLEN VEHICLES AND VIOLENT CRIMES.
UH, THEY SAID THESE DO ENHANCE OUR INVESTIGATIVE EFFICIENCY BY QUICKLY IDENTIFYING SUSPECTS AND LINKED OFFENSES.
BEING ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE VEHICLES THAT ARE USED IN OFFENSES ACROSS MULTIPLE OFFENSES ACROSS THE CITY IS ONE OF THOSE MAJOR BENEFITS TO THIS, UH, PLATFORM AND THE LPR SYSTEM.
AND IT INCREASES THE CASE INTEGRITY WITH OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE.
SO NOW WE HAVE THAT PIECE OF EVIDENCE THAT LINKS THE CRIME TO THAT VEHICLE, WHICH IS BETTER THAN, YOU KNOW, UH, GUT FEELING, RIGHT? THAT IS THAT AFFIRMATIVE LINK THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO BUILD CASES AND CRIMINAL CASES AND ALSO CLEAR PEOPLE AND CLEAR SUSPECTS THAT WE MAY GET, YOU KNOW, TIPS ON.
SO HERE IS A VERY BASIC, LIKE I SAID, OVERVIEW OF HOW THE, THE SYSTEM WORKS AND HOW THE PLATFORM WORKS.
VEHICLE IS DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD WITH A FLOCK CAMERA INSTALLED.
UH, THE CAR PASSES IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA, THE CAMERA DETECTS A VEHICLE, AND WITH ON THE CAMERA IT DOES SOME VID VIDEO ANALYTICS TO IDENTIFY THAT THAT'S A VEHICLE, NOT A PERSON.
IT THEN STARTS RUNNING ITS PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO CAPTURE THAT LICENSE PLATE AND THEN STORE THAT LICENSE PLATE FOR, FOR SEARCH LATER ON IN THE, YOU KNOW, BY AN, A DETECTIVE OR OFFICER WITHIN THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO THIS IS JUST A VERY, UH, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE SEE AT THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT WHEN WE SEARCH A VEHICLE.
IT SHOWS A STILL PHOTO OF THE VEHICLE AND HAS A ZOOMED IN PICTURE OF THE LICENSE PLATE.
SO WE CAN VERIFY THAT THE LICENSE PLATE THAT IS IDENTIFIED BY THE FLOCK CAMERA IS ACTUALLY THE LICENSE PLATE THAT IS ON THE VEHICLE.
UH, IT HAS KIND OF MARKERS FOR VEHICLE TYPE, MAKE, MODEL COLOR, AND ANY SMALLER METADATA LIKE THE DAYS AND SCAN AND THE DATE OF THE SCAN AS WELL.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S A DIFFERENT KINDS OF DATA THAT, THAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO AND, AND USE THE FLU SYSTEM FOR.
ONE IS A NCI HOT LIST THAT IS THAT NATIONAL DATABASE OF, UH, VEHICLES OR LICENSE PLATES THAT ARE STOLEN OR WANTED FOR ONE PERSONS OR MISSING PERSONS OR FOR PROTECTIVE ORDERS.
SO WHENEVER A PROTECTIVE ORDER, FOR EXAMPLE, IS INPUTTED INTO THE NCIC SYSTEM, THAT LICENSE PLATE IS THEN, WHENEVER IT'S RUN THROUGH THE NCIC SYSTEM, IT WILL ALERT THAT THERE IS A, UM, PROTECTIVE ORDER ON THAT VEHICLE AND WHO THE COMPLAINANT IS AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY AREN'T WITHIN THE 500 FEET OR WHATEVER THAT RADIUS IS OF THE PROTECTIVE PERSON.
THOSE ARE THE KIND OF HITS THAT WE GET THROUGH FLOCK AS
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WELL.BUT THERE'S NO INFORMATION ON THERE EXCEPT THAT THAT IS A VEHICLE THAT'S TIED TO A PROTECTIVE ORDER OR A WANTED PERSON OR, UM, A STOLEN VEHICLE.
THE, WE ALSO HAVE CUSTOM HOT LISTS.
SO THESE ARE HOT LISTS THAT WE CAN CREATE WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT.
SO THESE ARE ONES THAT ARE GONNA BE USED FOR INVESTIGATIVE REASONS.
SO THERE'S AN INVESTIGATION GOING ON THAT'S FOLLOWING A SUSPECT OR A CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONAL OR CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION.
OUR DETECTIVES CAN INPUT LICENSE PLATES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION AND GET ALERTED TO WHENEVER THAT VEHICLE, IT PASSES IN FRONT OF A FLOCK CAMERA.
SO THAT'S WHAT A CO CUSTOM HOT LIST IS.
THE CURRENT RETENTION FOR THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S FLOCK SYSTEM IS 365 DAYS.
UM, THAT IS ALSO THE SAME FOR HITS.
SO HOT LIST AND CUSTOM HOT LISTS.
HOT LIST HITS ARE 365 DAYS AS WELL.
WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A HIT OR A READ THAT IS A TIED TO A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, WE CAN EXPORT THAT INTO OUR EVIDENCE.COM STORAGE, UH, CLOUD STORAGE FOR IT TO BE TIED TO AN INVESTIGATION AND FILED WITH THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE LATER ON WHENEVER THE CASE IS FILED.
UM, CURRENTLY WE HAVE, UH, 1.4 BILLION READS SAVED IN OUR, UH, FLOCK CAMERA PLATFORM.
AND THAT'S WHERE ALL THE FLOCK CAMERAS THAT WE HAVE INSTALLED THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
UM, AND JUST TO THINK THE 1.4 BILLION, THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 8% OF THE TOTAL MILES TRAVEL DOWN THE CITY OF DALLAS STREETS JUST AS REFERENCED.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE, UM, DATA SOURCES.
I CAN GET A LIST FOR Y'ALL THAT WERE USED TO GET THE NUMBER OF HOW MANY MILES WE'RE TRAVELED BY VEHICLES THROUGHOUT THE CITY PER DAY.
AND THEN THE HOT LIST READS, THE TOTAL HOT LIST READS THAT WE HAVE ARE 869,000.
SO THOSE ARE THE HOT LISTS THAT ARE GONNA BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE NATIONAL HOT LIST AND THE, UM, CUSTOM HOT LIST.
AND THEN JUST TO KIND OF CLOSE IT OUT, JUST AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THE FLOCK CAMERA SYSTEM HAS BEEN USED TO PREVENT CRIME AT THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY TO DESCRIBE OR ARTICULATE THAT IT PREVENTED A CRIME.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE BACK IN JULY OF 24, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL REMEMBER THE NEWS.
THERE WAS A STOLEN TRUCK THAT THEN TOOK OFF FROM OFFICERS WHO TRIED TO PULL IT OVER IN A APARTMENT PO COMPLEX AND ALMOST RAN OVER, YOU KNOW, THE SQUAD CAR BEFORE IT BACKED OUT.
I BRING THIS UP BECAUSE THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, A JUST REGULAR STOLEN FLOCK HIT WHERE OFFICERS WENT INTO THE AREA TO LOCATE THE VEHICLE.
THEY LOCATED THE VEHICLE AND A APARTMENT COMPLEX RIGHT AROUND THAT AREA WHERE THE FLOCK HIT OCCURRED FOR THE STOLEN VEHICLE.
AND SO WHAT WE COULD, WHAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, ASSUME, ASSUME, I KNOW IT'S A BAD WORD, BUT BE ABLE TO ARTICULATE WHAT WE THINK WAS GOING TO OCCUR BASED OFF OF THE SUSPECT'S ACTIONS DURING THAT ENCOUNTER IS WE HAD A STOLEN VEHICLE THAT HAD FOUR SUSPECTS IN IT, BACKED INTO AN APARTMENT COMPLEX PARKING LOT WHEN OFFICERS TRIED TO PULL THEM OVER AND THEY FLED.
THEY ALL WERE WEARING WINTER JACKETS, FACIAL COVERINGS AND GLOVES IN THE MIDDLE OF JULY.
BASED OFF OF OUR EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE OF CRIMES AND HOW THEY OCCUR AND HOW SUSPECTS, YOU KNOW, PREPPED FOR CRIMES AND HOW, YOU KNOW, TO COMMIT CRIMES, THEY MORE THAN LIKELY WERE ABOUT TO COMMIT A HOME INVASION ROBBERY BEING IN JULY IN A STOLEN VEHICLE, IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX BACKED INTO A PARKING SPOT.
THERE'S REALLY NO OTHER REASON EXCEPT THEY WERE GOING TO COMMIT A CRIME AND THEN GET INTO THE VEHICLE AND DRIVE FORWARD OUT OF THE, YOU KNOW, PARKING LOT OR PARKING SPOT.
AND LIKE I SAID, I, WE CAN'T PREDICT THAT THAT WAS GOING TO OCCUR.
BUT BASED OFF OF PRIOR EXPERIENCE AND OUR KNOWLEDGE OF HOW SUSPECTS WORK BEFORE THEY COMMIT CRIMES AND HOW THEY GET AWAY FROM 'EM, THEY WERE ABOUT TO COMMIT A VIOLENT CRIME BEFORE OFFICERS SHOWED UP.
AND THE ONLY REASON WE SHOWED UP AT THAT TIME WAS BECAUSE OF THAT FLOCK STOLEN VEHICLE HIT.
ALSO, ONE OF THE SUSPECTS THAT WAS IN THAT VEHICLE WAS ONE FOR A DOUBLE HOMICIDE IN DALLAS, ALSO RECOVERED FROM THAT VEHICLE WERE FOUR MODIFIED WEAPONS.
ON THE NEXT SLIDE WERE FOUR MODIFIED WEAPONS IN THE VEHICLE ALONG WITH THE FACIAL COVERINGS, THE GLOVES, THE WINTER JACKETS BEING WORN IN JULY.
SO I PUT THESE SLIDES IN HERE JUST AS AN EXAMPLE OF WE CAN'T PREDICT CRIME, WE CAN'T SAY THAT FLOCK CAMERAS PREVENT CRIME.
WE, WE CAN'T SAY THAT BECAUSE CRIME DOESN'T OCCUR.
BUT THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF ALMOST TO THE POINT OF THE CRIME OCCURRING, US BEING ABLE TO STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING.
SO THERE'S JUST A, THE LAST SLIDE IS JUST A SUMMARY OF PRETTY MUCH WHAT I WAS EXPLAINING.
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THANK YOU SO MUCH, SERGEANT FOR THAT PRESENTATION FOR THE SLIDES.UH, I DO LIKE TO OPEN UP FOR THE BOARD AT THIS TIME FOR QUESTIONS AND UM, WHAT WE'LL DO JUST IN THE INTEREST OF TIME IS, UH, IF WE COULD JUST HAVE ONE ROUND WHERE, UH, EACH BOARD MEMBER WE HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES, UH, TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS, UH, TO THE SERGEANT.
I'M SURE, UM, HE COULD HELP WITH ANY QUESTIONS THAT HE COULD CONTRIBUTE AS WELL TO, BUT, UH, DO ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS TIME? ABOUT THE FLOCK CAMERA? YES, DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, IF THERE'S A YEAH, POSSIBLE YOUR VOICE MATTERS, SO MAKE SURE MIC'S ON AND SPEAKING TO THE MIC.
IF THERE'S A, AN ALERT WELL, NO, NO, LEMME BACK UP.
IF THERE'S A PROTECTIVE ORDER, IS THERE AN ALERT IF THAT, UM, VEHICLE IS FOUND WITHIN THE 500 FEET? IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO THE 500 FEET OF THAT RESIDENCE.
IT IS JUST IF IT PASSES THE FLOCK CAMERA, THAT THAT IS A PROTECTIVE ORDER ON THAT VEHICLE.
THANK YOU SERGEANT REINHARDT, I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS.
UM, SO I'LL GO THROUGH WHAT, UM, THE CHAIRMAN ALLOWS ME TO ASK.
THE FIRST ONE IS, UM, JUST FOR THE RECORD, HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANY REQUESTS FOR ICE FOR DATA FROM THE FLOCK CAMERAS? AND IF SO, HOW MANY REQUESTS HAVE YOU RECEIVED? WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY REQUESTS FOR, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REQUESTS FOR LPR DATA FROM ICE? YES, I HAVE.
AND THEN I, I WASN'T QUITE ON YOUR RETENTION POLICY.
SO ALL, ALL YOUR DATA IS KEPT IN A FLOCK CAMERA FOR 365 DAYS UNLESS YOU SNAG IT FOR AN INVESTIGATION AND THEN IT'S SAVED FOR LONGER.
AND THEN TO ACC ACCESS FLOCK CAMERA DATA, WHAT IS THE REQUEST PROCESS IF YOU'RE NOT, UM, IF YOU'RE AN OUTSIDE AGENCY AND IS IT ONLY THE POST OFFICE THAT CAN REQUEST SUCH DATA RIGHT NOW? SO THE PROCESS IS HANDLED WITHIN THE FLOCK PLATFORM.
IF WE, UH, ACCEPT A REQUEST FOR US TO SHARE OUR FLOCK READS WITH OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, WE CAN APPROVE THAT WITHIN OUR PLATFORM.
AND THEN THEY ARE ABLE TO CONDUCT SEARCHES FOR LICENSE PLATES THAT INCLUDE OUR CAMERAS AS WELL AS THEIR OWN AND ALL OTHER AGENCIES THAT ARE IN THE FLOCK SYSTEM AND HAVE SHARED OR APPROVED THAT SHARE.
UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE NOT ONLY FLOCK, CAN THIS DATA BE USED, UM, IF SOMEONE IS TRYING TO INVESTIGATE A SITUATION, MAYBE LONGER TERM THAN THE IMMEDIATE SITUATION, BUT ALSO IT DOES AUTOMATIC ALERTS.
SO IF THERE'S A SUSPICIOUS CAR OR A CAR IN THE SYSTEM FROM DPS OR FBI, IT'LL POP UP AND SOMEONE WILL GET NOTIFIED IN DPD AND THEN THAT'S DISPATCHED TO, YOU KNOW, A NEARBY PATROL CAR.
IS THAT HOW THAT'S USED? YEAH, SO THE WAY THAT, IF YOU WOULD'VE, BUT THE WAY THAT IT IS HANDLED NOW IS, UH, IT USED TO BE HANDLED BY OUR REALTIME CRIME CENTER.
BUT NOW IT'S ON A INDIVIDUAL OFFICER LEVEL.
SO THEY ARE, THEY DO HAVE THE ACCESS TO THE FLOCK APP ON THE CITY MOBILE PHONE, SO THEY CAN GET ALERTS ON THE, ON THE APP OR ON THE MDC WITHIN THE SQUAD CAR FOR THEIR AREA.
UM, THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
IT WAS VERY HELPFUL TO KNOW THAT IT DOESN'T FLOCK CAMERAS DO NOT CAPTURE FACES OR, UH, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION.
IT'S, WE'RE LOOKING AT LICENSE PLATE, MAKE AND MODEL OF CAR COLOR OF CAR.
FLOCK CAMERAS ARE NOT REACHING OUT FOR PEOPLE.
IT'S THE VEHICLES THEY'RE DRIVING.
VICE CHAIR, YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
UM, I GUESS MY QUESTIONS ALL ARE KIND OF AROUND THE FIREWALL AND WHO YOU GUYS SHARE INFORMATION WITH.
UM, I GUESS FIRST QUESTION, DO YOU KNOW IF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS FLOCK CAMERAS THROUGHOUT THE AREA? THE DALLAS SHERIFF'S OFFICE? YEAH.
NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I CAN, I CAN FIND OUT.
UH, AND DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY AGREEMENTS WITH OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS OR SHERIFF'S OFFICES TO SHARE INFORMATION ACROSS THE, THE SHARING IS HANDLED WITHIN THE PLATFORM.
SO, SO IF IF IT'S A APPROVED UH, SHARING WITH THAT AGENCY, THEN THAT'S, THAT'S OUR, UH, AGREEMENT.
DO YOU, 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU LISTED THE, YOU MENTIONED NONE, NONE WITH FEDERAL AGENCIES AT THE THIS TIME, CORRECT? EXCEPT FOR THE, EXCEPT FOR THE POST OFFICE, YES.
UM, BUT ANY, WITH ANY OTHER AGENCIES, YES, WE DO SHARE WITH OTHER, UH, POLICE OFFICE OR POLICE AGENCIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
I GUESS, SO TO BE SPECIFIC, MY QUESTION IS, I KNOW THAT THERE IS THE CONCERN OF POLICE DEPARTMENTS WORKING WITH ICE AND SHARING THIS DATA.
I KNOW BASED ON STATE LAW THAT TEXAS SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENTS ARE REQUIRED TO WORK WITH ICE.
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I GUESS IT'S JUST UNDERSTANDING THAT FIREWALL.DOES DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT SHARE WHAT SHERIFFS COULD POTENTIALLY SHARE WITH ICE? IS IT POTENTIALLY, I HAVEN'T.
I HAVE A, I DON'T HAVE THE LIST OF WHAT SHERIFF'S OFFICES WITHIN THE STATE YOU SHARE WITH.
COULD, COULD YOU GET THAT FOR US? YES, SIR.
UH, NEXT WILL BE, UH, BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS, UH, DEREK, DEREK PEGRAM, DISTRICT SIX.
I WAS NOTICING THE, UH, FLOCK CAMERA LOCATIONS AND I WAS, AND THEN I SAW THE PICTURE A FEW PAGES BACK, A FEW SLIDES BACK OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND IT LOOK LIKE IT'S FACING THE BACK OF A, AN OFF GOING COUNT CAR.
LOOKING AT THE, THE MAP, IT'S, SOME OF 'EM ARE STRAIGHT UP A STREET.
ARE ANY OF THEM FACING TOWARD THE CAR? SOME OF THEM TO THE WAY THAT MIGHT CATCH A FACE OR, BUT IT, THERE'S POSSIBILITY THAT IT DOES WHENEVER IT TAKES THAT, UH, PHOTO.
BUT IT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT THE PURPOSE OF IT.
AND MOST OF THEM ARE FACING THE BACK BECAUSE MOST CITIES WITHIN THE, UH, CITY OF DALLAS ARE THREE LANES AND THE CAMERAS CAN'T CAPTURE MORE THAN THAT ANYWAY.
SO WE CAN'T FACE IT IS WHERE'S OUR TWO PLATE STATE.
BUT NOT EVERYBODY ABIDES BY THAT.
SO IT ACTUALLY WOULDN'T BE BENEFICIAL FOR US TO FACE IT TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE CARS BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO CAPTURE CARS IN THE STATE THAT DON'T HAVE FRONT PLATES AND THEN OUT-OF-STATE, UH, VEHICLES THAT DON'T HAVE FRONT PLATES.
BUT THERE ARE MANY OF PEOPLE THAT DO THAT DO HAVE TWO GIGS.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE ARE A LOT OF 'EM THAT DO THE REAR PICTURE, BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT FACE FORWARD.
THERE'S A, THEY FACE FORWARD AS IN IT'S A TWO LANE STREET.
SO HAVING IT ON THE ONE SIDE, FACING THE BACK COULD CAPTURE PEOPLE DRIVING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, BUT THAT'S ONLY IF IT IDENTIFIES A VEHICLE IN THAT LICENSE PLATE TO TAKE THAT PHOTO.
BUT THERE ARE NONE FACING THERE.
THERE, THERE'S BACK ON THE SAME STREET.
SOME GOING THIS WAY, BUT ALSO SOME ON THE SAME SIDE, FACING TOWARD, NO, UH, ALL OF OUR DEPLOYMENTS ARE FOR THE REAR OF THE VEHICLE BECAUSE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE PLATE, OR A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE STATES REQUIRE REAR LICENSE PLATES.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS ONLINE WITH HIS HAND UP, SO, UH, BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.
UM, THANK YOU, UH, FOR COMING AND DOING THE PRESENTATION.
I, UM, AM CONCERNED WITH, UH, UH, ARE YOU AWARE OF IS DPD, UH, AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE CITY, BUT, UM, IS DPD AND, AND CITY STAFF, UH, CITY MANAGER OVER, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY? IT ARE, ARE YOU AWARE OF SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE GOING ON AROUND THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW WITH, UH, WITH, UM, SOME OF THESE, UH, LICENSE PLATE READER TECHNOLOGIES IN DIFFERENT CITIES? WAS THAT A QUESTION FOR DVD OR, OR CITY STAFF? YEAH.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE KEEP UP WITH NEWS ARTICLES, YOU KNOW, AND THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AROUND THE, THE COUNTRY, OBVIOUSLY ABOUT FLOCK TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING OUR POLICIES AND TO IDENTIFY ANYTHING THAT WE MAY NEED TO BE AWARE OF.
YOU KNOW, BEFORE IT COMES HERE.
AND SO ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS, THESE ARE FLOCK CAMERAS THEN, LIKE I WAS, I, I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE BRAND WAS, WHAT COMPANY, UM, YOU GUYS WERE LIKE, IT'S FLOCK.
SO, UM, THERE'S SEVERAL STUDIES OUT, UM, SEVERAL INDEPENDENT STUDIES, UH, SEVERAL JOURNAL, UM, UH, SEVERAL NEWS OUTLETS HAVE DONE EXTENSIVE, UH, RESEARCH ON FLOCK CAMERAS.
AND I NOTICED THAT THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU GAVE US IS PRETTY STANDARD THAT YOU SEE IN OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS, EVEN SOME OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE HAD PROBLEMATIC, UH, ISSUES, UM, THAT HAVE LED TO THE CITIZENS ACT PUSHING FORWARD FOR THE CAMERAS TO NOT BE USED IN THEIR CITIES, WHICH IS SAYING THAT THEY DON'T CAPTURE, UH, FACES WHEN IN FACT THEY DO.
SO, UH, ARE YOU AWARE OF SOME OF THESE STUDIES THAT SHOW THAT THEY DO CAPTURE, UH, FACES AS WELL? UH, I'M NOT AWARE OF THE SPECIFIC ARTICLES, I GUESS YOU'RE SPEAKING OF, BUT INCIDENTALLY, THERE CAN BE THE POSSIBILITY THAT A PERSON IS CAPTURED IN A VEHICLE WHENEVER IT, UH, TAKES A PHOTO AND OUTSIDE THE VEHICLE, I MEAN, EVEN ON UPON INSTALLATION, MOVING THEM AROUND, THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL STUDIES THAT HAVE SHOWN EVEN FLOCK CAMERAS THAT HAVE DATA, UH, OF PEOPLE WHO, WHEN THEY WERE ASSEMBLING THE CAMERAS IN THE FACTORIES, IT WAS TAKEN, YOU KNOW,
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UH, UM, CAPTURING IMAGES OF PEOPLE.SO I THINK IT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, TO JUST TO COME TO BEFORE US THINKING THAT WE DON'T DO ENOUGH RESEARCH TO, TO KNOW THAT FLOCK CAMERAS DO ACTUALLY CAPTURE HUMAN CAPTURE CAPTURED PEOPLE AS WELL.
I, I, I, I JUST FIND THAT KIND OF ANNOYING
THE OTHER THING IS, IS THERE WERE OTHER, UM, THINGS, AND I, I'M, I COULDN'T REMEMBER, UH, WHAT WE SAID LAST TIME, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY ON THE LIST I WAS ASKED ABOUT, UM, THERE WERE SEVERAL THINGS THAT AREN'T BEING ANSWERED HERE IN THE, UM, IN THE PRESENTATION.
AND SO THE PRESENTATION, I FEEL LIKE IS VERY BROAD.
IT DOES DO A GOOD JOB OF, OF SHOWING WHY YOUR JUSTIFICATION AS A DEPARTMENT ON WHY YOU, UH, WANT THE CAMERAS.
BUT WE TALKING ABOUT A MAJOR SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S RAN BY A STARTUP, RIGHT.
THAT IS BEING EMPLOYED IN OUR CITIES THAT CITIZENS DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A VOTE ON IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE BEING USED ON THEM OR NOT.
SO, UH, I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF, OF SCANS.
WAS THAT NUMBER THAT YOU GAVE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF SCANS IN THE, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE MONTH? I'M TRYING TO GET BACK TO IT.
THE NUMBER THAT WAS ON THE PRESENTATION FOR THE, IS FOR THE WHOLE YEAR IS WHAT IS STORED IN THE FLOCK DATABASE.
THAT'S A A BILLION PLUS FOR THE WHOLE YEAR.
UM, ALSO, UM, WE ASKED FOR LOCATIONS WHERE THEY'RE DEPLOYED, UM, AND ALSO LIKE, UH, DEMOGRAPHIC AND GEOGRAPHIC ANALYSIS OF, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH STOPS AND INVESTIGATIONS FROM, FROM THE, FROM THE LPR ALERTS.
SO THE QUESTION WILL WE BE SEEING IN THE FUTURE? GO AHEAD.
WILL WE BE SEEING THAT IN THE FUTURE THAT THAT WAS ALSO REQUESTED? YEAH, I, I'LL, UM, I'LL GIVE WITH THE BOARD AND SEE WHAT, UH, SPECIFICALLY IS REQUESTED ON THE DEMOGRAPHIC PART.
I DON'T RECALL GETTING THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, UH, EXACT LOCATIONS IN THE EMAIL WITH THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE SENT TO US ON DECEMBER 2ND.
I'LL BE SURE TO GET THOSE OVER TO THE OFFICE TO MAKE SURE YOU GET 'EM.
ANY OTHER? I HAVE ONE MORE Q MR. CHAIR.
OH, YES, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTIONS.
UM, HIGGINS, MR. HIGGINS SAID, ASKED ABOUT A CORRELATION BETWEEN THE ALERTS AND ARREST DATA.
WILL WE BE RECEIVING THAT IN THE FUTURE IN REPORTS WE CAN START WORKING ON TRYING TO, TO, TRYING TO CORRELATE IT.
AT THE MOMENT, IT'S DIFFICULT TO BE ABLE TO CORRELATE A READ OR HIT WITH AN ARREST JUST BECAUSE OF THE, UH, LIMITATIONS OF OUR SYSTEMS AND THE WAY THEY TALK, WHICH WE HOPE TO CHANGE SOON TO BE ABLE TO DO A LOT OF THAT AUTOMATING CORRELATIONS SO WE CAN PULL GOOD NUMBERS AND PULL GOOD DATA TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THOSE CORRELATIONS.
GETTING BACK TO, UM, PROTECTIVE ORDERS.
SO THERE'S NO ALERT, THERE'S NO WARNING.
IT'S JUST CAPTURED THAT THAT CAR IS IN THE VICINITY? NO, IT IS AN ALERT THAT GOES OUT THROUGH THE PLATFORM.
AND WHO HAS, UH, WHAT OFFICERS HAVE SIGNED UP FOR THOSE ALERTS.
IT DOES DO THAT, BUT BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE A RESIDENCE, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE CAMERAS INSTALLED IN FRONT OF THAT RESIDENCE.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, MR. FREEMAN.
UH, THANK YOU, SE SERGEANT REINHART.
UM, SO YOU SAID THAT DPD ISS NOT SHARING THIS DATA WITH FEDERAL AGENCIES.
UM, DOES FLOCK HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR OWN TECHNOLOGY TO THE, TO THE DATA THAT DPD CAPTURES? THEY HAVE ACCESS IN THE MAINTENANCE AND SERVICE OF THE PLATFORM.
BUT OUR DATA, OUR, THE READS THAT COME FROM OUR CAMERAS ARE, IS OUR DATA AND HOUSED IN OUR ENVIRONMENT WITHIN FLOCK.
AND THE AGREEMENT DOES NOT ALLOW THEM TO ACCESS OUR DATA WITHOUT THE PURPOSE OF MAINTENANCE AND SERVICE.
SO WE HAVE ASSURANCES FROM FLOCK THAT THEY ARE NOT SHARING DATA WITH FEDERAL AGENCIES, EVEN IF WE ARE ALREADY NOT.
THAT'S THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.
AND I'LL DOUBLE CHECK FOR YOU.
SO THAT'S THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.
MY LAST QUESTION IS, IF WE EVER LEARN THAT FLOCK
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WAS SHARING DATA WITH FEDERAL AGENCIES, AS HAS BEEN PURPORTED TO HAVE HAPPENED IN OTHER CITIES, WHAT WOULD DPD DO? AND THAT'S, UH, KIND OF A WHAT IF QUESTION.UH, RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THE PLATFORM IS STAGED, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THAT DATA HOUSED IN OUR, OUR DPD ENVIRONMENT.
AND UNTIL WE, UM, UNTIL THAT HAPPENS, I MEAN, YOU'D ALMOST HAVE TO GET TO THAT WHEN WE GET TO IT, BUT RIGHT NOW, AS IT STANDS, ALL THE DATA THAT WE GATHER FROM THESE FLOCK CAMERAS ARE HOUSED IN OUR ENVIRONMENT.
AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE.
UM, LET ME, LEMME SAY SOMETHING ABOUT FLOCK.
UH, FLOCK CAMERAS ARE, ARE, ARE JUST ABOUT ONE OF THE GREATEST INNOVATIONS THAT WE HAVE.
CRIME FIGHTING INNOVATIONS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN RECENT TIMES.
UM, A LOT OF THE CALLS THAT WE GIVE ON, WE TALK ABOUT PROTECTIVE ORDERS.
UH, A CAR SHOT AT MY HOUSE, UH, SOMEBODY RAN OFF WITH, UH, MY, MY LAWNMOWER.
A LOT OF THOSE CRIMES ARE SOLVED BY FLOCK.
AND FLOCK IS NOT, UH, A, A NEW INNOVATION.
WHAT I MEAN BY NEW, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT JUST CAME INTO PLAY THIS LAST 2024 OR THIS LAST YEAR.
FLOCK HAS BEEN AROUND FOR PROBABLY FOUR YEARS PRIOR TO TODAY.
AND IT'S ONLY BEEN USED AS A CRIME FIGHTING TOOL IN DPD STANCE.
IT'S, THAT'S THE WAY IT'S GONNA BE.
UH, WE'VE SOLVED A HUGE NUMBER OF CRIMES, UH, MAJOR CRIMES, MAJOR ROBBERIES, HOME INVASIONS, TRIPLE MURDERS, UH, LOST CITIZENS FLOCK IS, I CAN'T SPEAK ENOUGH ABOUT IT.
AND AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, UH, THE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE, THE, THE GOODNESS IN FLOCK IS NOT LOST IN OUR CONVERSATION HERE.
UH, BECAUSE, UH, WE DO IT EVERY DAY.
OFFICERS ARE OUT THERE, WE CAN GET ALERTS, UH, FOR DIFFERENT THINGS THAT IMPACT THIS COMMUNITY GREATLY.
AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO BACK WHEN I WAS A PATROL OFFICER, GOOD DESCRIPTION OF A CAR.
IT WAS A BLUE HONDA, JUST AS WE SAW HERE IN OUR VIDEO.
WE DIDN'T HAVE A WAY OF TRACKING THAT CAR.
BUT RIGHT NOW, IF YOU CAME THAT A CRIME WAS COMMITTED AGAINST ME FROM A BLUE HONDA, WE HAVE A WAY TO TRACK THAT CAR AND TRACK IT DOWN.
NOW, INCIDENTALLY, CAN A FACE BE CAPTURED WITH THAT? UH, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT BOARD MEMBER GRAM, UH, THOSE INSTANCES CAN HAPPEN WITH ANY CAMERA.
I CAN CAPTURE MY FACE ACCIDENTALLY WITH MY OWN CELL PHONE.
UH, THESE CAMERAS ARE FA FORWARD OR ARE REAR FACING.
NOW, IN SOME INSTANCES TO, TO YOUR POINT, MR. PEGRAM, IF YOU HAVE A TWO-LANE ROAD AND MY CAMERA IS TRYING TO CAPTURE THE, THE RIGHT LANE OF IT, OF COURSE, IF IT'S A NARROW TWO LANE ROAD, WHEN I CAPTURE THAT CAR, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE FRONT FACE OF THE OTHER CAR THAT'S COMING TOWARDS YOU, BUT IT'S NOT ON PURPOSE.
UM, I JUST WANTED, WANTED TO SAY THAT AND PUT THE, IF I, IF I CAN PUT AT EASE, AND I KNOW WE STILL HAVE QUESTIONS TO ANSWER AND ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE CAN GET TO YOU, WE'LL GET TO YOU, UH, TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL THE INSURANCES IN PLACE.
MAJOR RE UM, I, I, I, I, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY ON THIS BOARD SUGGEST THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE USING FLOCK.
UM, I MEAN, SOME PEOPLE MAY FEEL THAT WAY, BUT I, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT EXPRESSED.
I, SO I, I JUST WANNA CONVEY THAT THE CONCERN HERE IS ABOUT THE SECURITY OF THE DATA, AND I THINK THERE'S PRETTY MUCH CONSENSUS THAT WE DON'T EVER WANNA SEE DPD SHARING THIS WITH FEDERAL AGENCIES.
AND WE, AND WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT FLOCK IS ALSO NOT SHARING IT.
OTHER, OTHERWISE, UM, I DON'T, I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH TECHNOLOGY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? YES, MR. MAPLES, UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, AND, UH, F FLOCK SOUNDS LIKE, UH, SOMETHING THAT, UH, IT'S GONNA BE OR HAS BEEN BENEFICIAL FOR, FOR THE, UM, FOR THE CITY.
SO EDUCATE ME ON, ON, ON SOMETHING IN THIS WORLD WE LIVE IN AND OF TECHNOLOGY WHERE CAMERAS ARE EVERYWHERE OR WHAT'S THE PLAN ON PUTTING FLOCKS ON THE CARS, ON POLICE CARS, OR THAT'S USING THAT SAME TECHNOLOGY ON POLICE CARS? SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UM, LPR TECHNOLOGY BUILT INTO THE FLEET THREE DASH CAMERA SYSTEM OKAY.
SO YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT TO GET THOSE, TO GET THE ALERTS, OFFICERS HAVE TO BE SIGNED UP FOR THAT.
DID I HEAR THAT CORRECTLY? SIGNED UP AS HAVE AN ACCOUNT FOR IT.
SO EVERY, MOST OFFICERS IN PATROL HAVE ACCOUNTS, UH, WITHIN FLOCK.
SO THAT'S HOW THEY GET THE ALERTS.
BUT THESE ALERTS GO OUT TO EVERY OFFICER THAT HAS, THAT WANTS THOSE ALERTS TURNED ON AND THE CITY
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MAKES THE DETERMINING FACTOR AS TO, OR DPD AS TO WHERE THESE CAMERAS ARE GONNA BE SET UP BECAUSE, AND, AND THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE A LOT OF HOAS OR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS HAVE CAMERAS ALREADY AND SOME WILL REQUEST AND SOME WILL PAY FOR THEM DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY LIVE IN DALLAS.AND, YOU KNOW, IF THEY GOT THE QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS TO TAKE CARE OF THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT DPD WOULD DO? WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? CAN A, DID YOU GET IT? WELL, I MEAN, WE PURCHASED THE CAMERAS AND WE INSTALL 'EM BASED OFF OF CRIME.
I'M, LOOK, I LOOKED AT YOUR MAP.
BUT IF I'D LIVED IN HIGHLAND PARK OR PARTS CITIES PRESS HOLLOW US AND I SAID, HEY, I WANT THAT FLOCK CAMERA ON PRESTON NORTHWEST HIGHWAY BECAUSE OF X.
THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME DATA, CRIME DATA THAT SUPPORTS THE INSTALLATION OF A CAMERA AT THAT LOCATION.
PRIVATE ENTITIES CAN BUY BUY 'EM AND INSTALL 'EM, AND WE TRY NOT TO INSTALL THEM TO DUPLICATE THAT, THAT CAMERA READ.
IF AN HOA HAS ONE INSTALLED ON A THE SAME DIRECTION, WE'RE NOT GONNA INSTALL ONE, YOU KNOW, HALF A BLOCK IN EITHER DIRECTION BECAUSE WE'RE DUPLICATING THAT THAT RE BUT WE PLACE THEM BASED OFF OF THAT.
BUT WE DO PLACE 'EM BASED OFF OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS REQUESTS BASED OFF OF FUNDING.
SO THEY HAVE SO GIVEN FUNDING FOR FLOCK CAMERAS TO BE INSTALLED WITHIN THEIR DISTRICT, BUT THOSE ARE BASED OFF OF THE SAME ASPECTS WHEN WE INSTALL CAMERAS, WHICH IS CRIME STATISTICS.
SO THOSE SAME CRI CRIME STATISTICS, IS THAT, IS THAT REVIEWED MONTHLY, QUARTERLY, ANNUALLY AS TO WHERE YOU'RE GONNA PUT THESE FLOCK CAMERAS? BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THOSE HIGH CONCENTRATIONS OF AREAS, WHEN I LOOK AT MY REPORT RECORD AND WHEN I LISTEN TO ALL THE SPEAKERS TONIGHT IN THAT PLEASANT GROVE AREA, THERE'S A LOT OF FLOCK CAMERAS THERE.
AND I'M JUST CURIOUS, SO HOW OFTEN, HOW OFTEN DO YOU REVIEW THAT DATA AND DECIDE WHERE YOU'RE GONNA PUT THE FLOCK IS OF QUESTION? IT'S REVIEWED WHENEVER WE ARE GOING TO INSTALL THE CAMERAS.
SO WHENEVER THE CAMERAS ARE GONNA GET INSTALLED, WE GET A HEAT MAP OF THE CRIME STATS BASED OFF OF, AT THAT TIME, WHENEVER THE CAMERAS ARE INSTALLED AT THIS MOMENT OR AT THIS TIME, WE DO NOT GO BACK AND REVIEW, UH, CHANGE OF CRIME STATISTICS TO THEN RELOCATE THE CAMERAS YET BECAUSE IT'S STILL, UH, SEMI NEW, YOU KNOW, PLATFORM OR PROGRAM FOR DBD ABOUT FOUR YEARS OLD.
SO WE JUST HAVEN'T GOT TO THAT POINT WHERE WE'RE LIKE, LET'S READDRESS, UH, OR LET'S PULL THE CRIME STATS AND SEE IF WE NEED TO ADJUST OR MOVE THESE CAMERAS.
THEY ARE PHYSICALLY INSTALLED.
SO THAT WOULD, THAT COMES WITH A, YOU KNOW, INCREASE IN FUNDING THAT IS GONNA NEED TO TAKE THAT CAMERA AND THAT POLE OUT FROM THAT LOCATION AND MOVE IT TO A NEW LOCATION.
WHAT'S THE DISTANCE BETWEEN FLOCK CAMERAS? HALF MILE, MILE, QUARTER MILE, OR, I DON'T KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW.
WE TRY NOT TO, I'M JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
WE TRY NOT TO PLACE THEM IN, YOU KNOW, FACING THE SAME DIRECTION OR GETTING THE SAME DIRECTION TO TRAVEL WITHIN MULTIPLE BLOCKS OF EACH OTHER BECAUSE IT'S JUST REDUNDANT.
BOARD MEMBERS, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ADDRESS THE SERGEANT? I DID HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
I SEE ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ONE ROUND ONE? ALRIGHT.
SO IN THIS REPORT, I DON'T THINK YOU TOLD US HOW MANY FLOCK CAMERAS ARE ACTUALLY IN THE CITY.
DID I LEAVE THAT OFF? IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ON A DIFFERENT VERSION.
THERE'S, UM, A LITTLE OVER 600 FLOCK CAMERAS.
YEAH, I CAN GET THE EXACT NUMBER.
I THOUGHT IT WAS ON THAT, UH, POWERPOINT.
WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH, SERGEANT.
I APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR PRESENTATION.
AND AGAIN, UH, THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE HERE, JUST, UM, WE SPEAK FOR THE PEOPLE AND, AND WHO CARE ABOUT PRIVACY AND, AND, AND SO THESE QUESTIONS REALLY HELP OUT AND THAT TRANSPARENCY.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SPEAKING TO IT.
AND I KNOW WE MAY HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS THAT, UM, THAT WE DIDN'T FULLY SEND YOU AHEAD OF TIME THAT WERE ASKED TONIGHT.
SO, UM, AND WE MAY SEND THOSE TO YOU AND WE APPRECIATE, AGAIN, YOUR WILLINGNESS TO HELP US UNDERSTAND AND, UH, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY.
WE'LL, UH, WE'LL NOW MOVE TO, UH, ANOTHER PRESENTATION, UH, WITH DPS.
UH, THIS IS AGENDA ITEM SEVEN, WHICH IS A PRESENTATION ON UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEMS PROGRAM.
AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO INVITE MAJOR BENNY HANDLY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAJOR FOR BEING HERE.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER POWERPOINT PRESENTATION THAT WILL BE, UH, ON THE SCREEN.
AND, UM, WE ALSO, AS BOARD MEMBERS, WE HAVE IT IN OUR PACKET AS WELL TO FOLLOW ALONG AS WE WILL IF YOU'D LIKE TO.
UH, BUT, UH, MAJOR HANLEY, THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, FOR BEING HERE.
AND, UH, YEAH, WE'RE HERE TO LEARN.
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WE WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THIS PROGRAM AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENCE.OKAY, GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.
I'M, UM, MAJOR BENNY HANLEY OF THE SPECIAL OPERATIONS DIVISION.
I'M HERE TONIGHT TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEM.
THE PRESENTATION OVERVIEW WILL DEFINE UNMANNED AERIAL SYSTEMS OR UAS, BETTER KNOWN AS DRONES.
UH, THE PROGRAM OBJECTIVES, THE PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS, THE CURRENT FLEET, UM, OF SNAPSHOT OF THE UAS ACTIVITY, UM, AND PRIVACY CONCERNS, AND THE NEXT STEPS IN THE UAS PROGRAM.
NEXT SLIDE, UAS DEFINED AND UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEM, OR UAS, COMMONLY KNOWN AS A DRONE, IS A CLASSIFICATION OF AIRCRAFT DESIGNED BY THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION OR FAA.
GENERALLY, THE SYSTEM INCLUDES A FIXED ROTARY WING AIRCRAFT AND A GROUND CONTROLLED SYSTEM STATION.
I'M SORRY, THE SYSTEM MUST BE OPERATED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION REGULATION AND STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS.
THE PROGRAM OBJECTIVES IS TO INCREASE OFFICER SAFETY BY EXPOSING UNSEEN DANGERS, ENHANCED PROTECTION OF OFFICERS AND CITIZENS DURING OPERATION, ENRICH FOLLOW UP INVESTIGATIONS, UM, AND HELP OUT WITH THE APPLICATIONS WHICH ARE PLANNED EVENTS, TACTICAL OPERATIONS, CIVIL UNREST, CRIME SCENE EVIDENCE COLLECTION, DISASTER RESPONSES, MISSING PERSONS SEARCH AND RESCUE, AND TRAFFIC CRASH RECONSTRUCTION.
CURRENTLY THERE ARE 1,686 US POLICE AGENCIES WITH A UAS OR DRONE PROGRAM PILOT REQUIREMENTS.
IN ORDER TO BE A, UH, UAS PILOT PILOT FOR THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A FAA PART 1 0 7 COMMERCIAL DRONE LICENSE.
UM, COMPLETE THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S 40 HOUR, UM, COURSE IN ORDER TO BE A VISUAL OBSERVER WITH REQUIREMENTS IS A FA, A VISUAL OBSERVER COURSE, WHICH IS EIGHT HOURS.
THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT CURRENTLY HAS 156 UAS PILOTS AND 186 VISUAL OBSERVERS.
OPERATIONAL REQUIREMENTS, UH, DRONES MUST STAY BELOW 400 FEET OUTSIDE THE FLIGHT REQUIREMENT.
LINE OF SIGHT MAINTAINED BY THE VISUAL OBSERVER.
INDOOR FLIGHTS ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THESE SAME RESTRICTIONS.
MONTHLY REPORTING OF THE CERTIFICATE OF AUTHORIZATIONS, FLIGHTS WITHIN RESTRICTED AIRSPACE POSTER REPORT EVERY TWO YEARS REGARDING THE AGENCY'S USE OR OPERATION OF UNMANNED AIRCRAFT ON THE AGENCY'S PUBLIC ACCESSIBLE INTERNET WEBSITE, OR IF THE AGENCY DOES NOT HAVE IT, A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE ACCESSIBLE INTERNET WEBSITE.
OTHERWISE MAKE THE REPORT AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
THE REPORT WILL INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING, THE DATE, THE TIME, THE OPERATIONAL PURPOSE, THE TIMEFRAME, AND THE LOCATION.
THE UAS SQUAD WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PROGRAM IMPLEMENTATION AND OVERSIGHT TRAINING OF UAS PILOTS AND VISUAL OBSERVERS.
TEST AND EVALUATE EMERGING UAS TECHNOLOGY, FAA AND STATE OF TEXAS COMPLIANCE REPORTING AVAILABLE ON 20, THEY HAVE TO BE AVAILABLE ON A 24 7 CALLBACK TO ASSIST SPECIALIZED UNITS AND CRITICAL INCIDENT RESPONSE.
UM, ALSO FOR, UM, OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS, LOCAL, STATE, FEDERAL, CORPORATE AND CORPORATE PARTNERS.
THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S CURRENT FLEET CONSISTS OF 10 MATRICE M 3M 30 T OUTDOOR HIGH ZOOM OPERATIONS.
THOSE ARE USED BY THE UAS SQUAD AND PATROL.
WE HAVE 33 MAVIC THREE T DRONES, WHICH ARE USED FOR OUTDOOR QUICK RESPONSE.
THOSE ARE USED BY VEHICLE CRIMES, ANIMAL CRUELTY, THE UAS SQUAD AND PATROL.
WE HAVE 82 MINI DRONES INDOOR FOR INDOOR RESPONSE.
THOSE ARE TYPICALLY USED BY SWAT AND UAS AND PATROL.
AND 12 AVITA INDOOR TACTICAL RESPONSE DRONES USED BY SWAT AND THE UAS SQUAD.
WE ALSO HAVE TWO LEMERE TUBES USED FOR INDOOR TACTICAL RESPONSE, USUALLY USED BY SWAT.
THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS A BRIEF, UM, SNAPSHOT OF THE ACTIVITY TRACKER FAR AS UAS ACTIVITY.
UM, PATROL OPERATIONS HAVE BEEN OPERATING
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SINCE DECEMBER OF 2022.UM, THEY HAVE 77 AIRCRAFT ASSIGNED, AND IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2024, THEY DID 10,928 FLIGHTS.
VEHICLE CRIMES INVESTIGATIONS HAS BEEN ACTIVE WITH UAS SINCE JANUARY OF 2023.
THEY HAVE NINE AIRCRAFT ASSIGNED AND HAVE, UH, HAD 596 FLIGHTS FISCAL YEAR 2024.
THE UAS SQUAD HAS BEEN ACTIVE SINCE JULY OF 2021.
UH, THEY HAVE 54 AIRCRAFT AND HAVE, AND IN THE FISCAL YEAR, 2024, MADE 3087 FLIGHTS.
SWAT HAS BEEN ACTIVE SINCE SEPTEMBER OF 2021.
THEY HAVE 13 AIRCRAFT, UM, WITH 438 FLIGHTS FISCAL YEAR 2024, ANIMAL CRUELTY SINCE OCTOBER OF 2024 WITH FIVE AIRCRAFT, AND THEY'VE ONLY HAD THREE FLIGHTS.
THE TEXAS PRIVACY ACT, GOVERNMENT CODE 4 23 IS THE BASELINE FOR OUR DEPARTMENTAL'S POLICY.
IT REQUIRES THAT VIDEO, IMAGES, VIDEO OR IMAGES WILL ONLY BE RECORDED IF ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA ARE MET.
A FELONY HAS OCCURRED, IT'S A LIFE AND DEATH SITUATION, WARRANT EXECUTIONS, OR WE HAVE CONSENT.
CITIZENS' PRIVACY IS PROTECTED THROUGH THE DATA RETENTION AND WARRANT REQUIREMENTS PRIOR TO PRIVATE PROPERTY OPERATIONS.
THE NEXT STEPS WILL BE INITIAL DEPLOYMENT OF THE TETHERED UAS FOR RAPID VISUAL ACCESS NEEDS IN SPECIAL EVENTS AND CRITICAL INCIDENTS.
THIS HAS ACTUALLY ALREADY OCCURRED.
WE USED TETHERED DRONES SOMETIMES DURING THE FAIR TO DETERMINE LARGE CROWDS AND HOW WE NEEDED TO DEPLOY SOME OF OUR RESOURCES.
THE DRONES AS A FIRST RESPONDER PROGRAM OR DFR PLANS ARE BEING DEVELOPED TO SUPPLEMENT AIR SUPPORT, UM, INTEGRATE UAS INTO ADDITIONAL UNITS TO ENHANCE PUBLIC SAFETY AND TRANSPARENCY AND DEVELOP ANNUAL DEPARTMENT REFRESHER TRAINING.
BEFORE OPENING UP THE BOARD FOR QUESTIONS.
I KNOW, UH, YOUR ROLE AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT YOU WORK IN, UM, JUST LOOK IN HERE.
THE SPECIAL OPERATIONS DIVISION.
WHAT'S YOUR, UH, ROLE AND RELATIONSHIP WITH, UH, THE, THE DRONE PROGRAM? I'M THE, UM, DIVISION COMMANDER OVER THE PROGRAM.
SO YOU'RE IN CHARGE OF ALL THE DRONES, UH, AND, AND DPD.
SO WE HAVE THE RIGHT MAN HERE.
I JUST WANTED, UH, I DIDN'T GET YOUR INTRODUCTION BEFORE, UH, WE BEGAN ASKING, UH, QUESTIONS.
UH, DO YOU WANNA OPEN UP THE BOARD THIS TIME? UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MAJOR HANLEY? I DO SEE A JUDGE LANDER, YES.
DISTRICT EIGHT MAJOR DO THE DRONES THAT ARE UTILIZED BY SWAT AND, UH, OTHERS HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UM, REPRODUCE SOUND AS WELL AS VIDEO.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY, ANY SOUND ON ANY OF THE, THESE VIDEOS THAT I'VE SEEN.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT MIGHT, IN OTHER WORDS? UH, NO.
UH, ARE THEY WEAPON OF, UM, NO USE? NO.
NONE OF OUR DRONES ARE EQUIPPED WITH WEAPONS.
HIGGINS' HAND IS UP ONLINE, SO, UH, WE'LL DIRECT OUR, OUR, UH, GAZE TO THE SCREEN BOARD MEMBER.
SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UH, ONCE AGAIN, UM, A FEW QUESTIONS THAT I HAD THAT HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOME ANSWERS TO.
UM, BUT ONE IS SPECIFICALLY BEING SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN A PART OF PROTESTS MM-HMM
BEEN A PART OF, UH, PUBLIC, UH, UH, EVENTS WHERE I'VE SEEN DRONES.
UM, I THINK THIS QUESTION WAS ASKED BY FORMER BOARD MEMBER RENTER ALLEN, ABOUT THE USE OF DRONES FOR, UH, WHAT IS BEING DONE WITH THE DATA WHEN YOU FLY DRONES, WHICH I BELIEVE DO HAVE FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY.
UM, IF THEY DON'T, YOU CAN CORRECT IT.
UM, THAT IS BEING USED THERE AND WHAT AGENCIES AND DOES ANYBODY, DO YOU SHARE THAT DATA WITH ANYONE? AND IF SO, WHO? UM, THAT'S ONE QUESTION.
UM, THEN, UH, I GUESS YOU DID PUT IN THE, IN THE TOTAL NUMBER OF DEPLOYMENTS, UM, FOR THE YEAR.
UM, AND THEN, UH, SOME TYPE OF ANALYSIS OF
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THE PURPOSE OF THE DEPLOYMENT AND THEN DEMOGRAPHIC, UH, INFORMATION ASSOCIATED WITH DEPLOYMENTS LIKE THERE, UH, THEY'RE BEING DEPLOYED.SO FOR, FOR YOUR FIRST QUESTION, THE DRONES ARE NOT EQUIPPED WITH FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY, BUT LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE FLY CAMERAS, UM, IF IT'S RECORDING SOMETHING, IT CAN RECORD PEOPLE OUT THERE, BUT IT CAN'T DETERMINE WHO THAT PERSON IS.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT CAPABILITY.
UM, AS FAR AS WHERE AND WHEN THEY'RE DEPLOYED, IT JUST, IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE EVENT AND WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHAT, AND WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UM, IF IT'S A PLANNED EVENT, A TACTICAL OPERATION, A CIVIL UNREST, IF IT'S A CRIME SCENE, DISASTER RESPONSE, MISSING PERSON SEARCH AND RESCUE, OR A TRAFFIC, UM, ACCIDENT RECONSTRUCTION.
IT JUST REALLY DEPENDS ON WHERE IT IS AND WHERE THE, THE DRONES ARE DEPLOYED AND THEY'RE NOT DEPLOYED UNTIL ONE OF THOSE CRITERIA ARE MET.
THEY DON'T PATROL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, JUST A CERTAIN AREA.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE USED FOR.
UM, ON THE, THE CRITERIA HAS TO BE MET IN ORDER FOR THE DRONES TO BE DEPLOYED.
WHO MAKES THAT DECISION ON IT? THAT CRITERIA IS MET.
IS THAT YOU OR WHO WHO CAN MAKE THAT DECISION? WELL, IT, IT, IT, I CAN MAKE THAT DECISION.
UH, THE, ANY, ANY SUPERVISOR CAN MAKE THAT DECISION THAT, THAT HAS A DRONE.
UM, WE HAVE CRITERIA THOUGH, UM, PRETTY MUCH LIKE I JUST SAID, THE PLAN EVENTS, TACTICAL OPERATIONS, CIVIL UNREST, CRIME SCENE EVIDENCE, DISASTER RESPONSE, MISSING PERSONS SEARCH AND RESCUE AND TRAFFIC RECONSTRUCTION.
UM, ANY SUPERVISOR CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION TO CALL FOR A DRONE AND A DRONE COME OUT IF THEY NEED IT FOR THE ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
SO, I MEAN, MAJOR HENLEY, WHAT, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS LIKE, YOU, YOU, YOU, WE APPRECIATE YOU GUYS COMING AND GIVING US THIS INFORMATION ABOUT YES, SIR.
IS THAT, LIKE, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF INFORMATION IN HERE ABOUT CITIZENS AND RESIDENTS PRIVACY MM-HMM
UM, AND HOW THE INNER WORKINGS OF HOW ALL THAT WORKS.
AND SO I I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHERE THOSE DEPLOYMENTS HAPPEN, RIGHT? LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S OUR JOB TO HAVE OVERSIGHT ON ALL OF THIS.
SO, YOU KNOW, MAJOR GREER GAVE A GREAT EXPLANATION OF HOW GREAT FLOCK TECHNOLOGY IS.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, I'VE WATCHED VIDEO AFTER VIDEO IN DIFFERENT CITIES AND ALMOST TO THE LETTER MM-HMM
THE WAY HE EXPLAINED, YOU KNOW, ITS EFFECTIVENESS IS LIKE HOW OTHER AGENCIES AND DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY DO.
BUT WE STILL HAVE MAJOR CONCERNS ABOUT DATA PRIVACY AND SECURITY OF THE DATA AS WELL.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, WE REALLY WANT TO SEE A DEEPER DIVE INTO, UH, SOME OF THIS INFORMATION.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, SOME MORE QUESTIONS THAT WILL BE, AND I'M SURE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS DO ABOUT PRIVACY AND HOW, HOW THE DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE ON WHEN, WHEN THIS SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY IS BEING DEPLOYED.
SO, UM, LIKE I SAID, THE, UH, TEXAS PRIVACY ACT GOVERNMENT CODE 4 23 IS THE BASELINE FOR DEPARTMENTAL POLICY.
UM, ALL YOU GOTTA DO IT, YOU CAN GOOGLE IT AND YOU'LL SEE THE BASELINE FOR OUR POLICY, IT'S RIGHT IN THERE.
AND IT REQUIRES, VIDEO IMAGE WILL ONLY BE RECORDED IF ONE OF THE FOLLOWING ARE MET, AND THAT'S GONNA BE A FELONY LIFE OR DEATH CIRCUMSTANCES, WARRANT, EXECUTES, OR CONSENT.
UM, UH, I MISSED THE SECOND PART OF THAT LAST QUESTION.
YEAH, NO, I, I THINK YOU, YOU, YOU COVERED IT.
I MEAN, YOU BASICALLY TELL ME, UH, WHAT, WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY GIVEN US IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT WE WILL, WE WILL BE GOING DEEPER ON THIS FOR, FOR THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS.
APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS AND THE QUESTIONS AND, UH, ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? UM, JONATHAN MAPLES? YES, SIR.
UH, DISTRICT TWO, I, I THINK AS WE, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, ALL THIS TECHNOLOGY YES, SIR.
I THINK THE MAJOR THING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO A DEEP DIVE INTO, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE CONCERNS AS IT RELATES TO PRIVACY AND WHO THIS DATA'S BEING SHARED WITH.
BECAUSE LET, LET ME JUST SAY IT BLATANTLY.
WHEN THE FEDS COME KNOCKING, THE FEDS DON'T ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS, AND MOST DIVISIONS OR DEPARTMENTS JUST HAVE TO FALL IN LINE.
SO YEAH, WE, WE, WE WILL TALK MORE.
THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
AND, AND THERE'LL BE MORE QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW.
THANK YOU, MAJOR FOR BEING HERE.
THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND AGAIN, UH, WE, UH, THIS IS A GREAT BEGINNING OF THIS CONVERSATION.
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MUCH.AND, UH, WE'LL KEEP THIS GOING.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE DOWN TO, UH, THE NEXT PRESENTATION BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY.
SO I'D LIKE TO INVITE, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, SERGEANT BRANDON GRIFFIN AND LIEUTENANT RENEE SIGAL.
UH, WE AGAIN HAVE ANOTHER PRESENTATION THAT WILL BE DISPLAYED ON THE SCREEN BOARD MEMBERS.
WE HAVE THAT PRESENTATION IN OUR PACKET.
WE CAN FOLLOW ALONG, UH, BUT WANNA GIVE THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW, UH, TO, UH, SERGEANT, LIEUTENANT, UH, AND, UH, EAGER TO LEARN AS WELL ABOUT FACIAL RECOGNITION AND TECHNOLOGY.
MY NAME'S LIEUTENANT RELA IS SERGEANT GRIFFIN.
WE CURRENTLY WORK AT THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S FUSION CENTER.
TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY.
UH, INVESTIGATIVE FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY IS A MEANS OF ASCERTAINING AND CONFIRMING.
AND AN INDIVIDUAL'S IDENTITY UTILIZES OPEN SOURCE INFORMATION AS COMPARISON IMAGES.
HISTORICALLY, WE USED TO USE SKETCHES, THEN PICTURES ON USED OUTLETS.
IT EMPLOYS ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE TO IDENTIFY AND COMPARE MILLIONS OF IMAGES.
IT'S USED BY POLICE AGENCIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
AND THIS IS SOME OF THE AGENCIES ACROSS THE US THAT THEY'RE USING THE FACIAL RECOGNITION PROGRAM.
UH, THE PROGRAM OBJECTIVES ENSURE THAT USE OF INVESTIGATIVE FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY COMPLIES WITH ALL APPLICABLE AND DATA SECURITY LAWS, AND THAT HOLDS RESIDENTS PRIVACY RIGHTS, AND CIVIL LIBERTIES.
IN THE HIGHEST REGARD, IT REQUIRES HIGHEST STANDARDS OF TRAINING AND PEER REVIEW.
FOR INVESTIGATIVE FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY USAGE, IT ENSURES TRANSPARENT AND THOROUGH OVERSIGHT OF INVESTIGATIVE FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY.
IT PROVIDES INVESTIGATIVE LEADS FOR CRIMINAL OFFENSES CLASSIFIED AS CLASS B MISDEMEANORS AND ABOVE IMMINENT THREATS TO PUBLIC SAFETY, AND TO ASSIST IN IDENTIFICATION OF DECEASED OR INCAPACITATED INDIVIDUALS.
CURRENTLY, THE PROCESS IS INVESTIGATING DETECTIVE RECEIVE SUPERVISOR APPROVAL TO SUBMIT AN INVESTIGATIVE FACIAL RECOGNITION REQUEST.
THE REQUEST IS SENT, THEN SENT TO US AT THE FUSION CENTER, AND IT'S ASSIGNED TO A TRAINED ANALYST.
THE IMAGE IS REVIEWED TO ENSURE ALL CRITERIA FOR INVESTIGATIVE FACIAL RECOGNITION IS MET.
THE ANALYST THEN PROCESSES THE APPE IMAGE IN INVESTIGATIVE FACIAL RECOGNITION SOFTWARE.
RESULTS WILL BE PEER REVIEWED BY ANOTHER TRAINED ANALYST MATCH REPORT PREPARED, AND THEN IT WILL, IT'LL BE SENT BACK TO THE INVESTIGATOR.
THE ANALYST WILL LOG THE REQUEST, AN INTERNAL LOG, AND THEN THE DETECTIVE WILL NOTE RESULTS OF THE PROBE IN RMS, AND THEY'LL UPLOAD THE MATCH REPORT.
CONCERNS ABOUT INCONSISTENCIES IN IDENTIFICATION.
INVESTIGATIVE FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY WILL NOT BE USED AS A POSITIVE IDENTIFICATION OR AS A PROBABLE CAUSE FOR ARREST WITHOUT ADDITIONAL CORROBORATION OR INVESTIGATE OR INVESTIGATION.
EXTENSIVE 32 HOUR TRAINING OF ALL ANALYSTS WITH COMPONENTS AROUND IMPLICIT BIAS AND HOW TO AVOID MISIDENTIFICATION.
A PEER REVIEW, PEER REVIEW OF ALL RESULTS IS REQUIRED, AND SOME OF THE PRIVACY CONCERNS.
DATA COLLECTION AND RETENTION DATA COLLECTION IS GOVERNED BY 28 CFR PART 23, AND PROGRAM MANAGER WILL OVERSEE COMPLIANCE.
THE RETENTION POLICY FOLLOWS THE SUBMITTING INVESTIGATIVE UNITS, SOP AND STATE OF TEXAS RETENTION SCHEDULE FOR RECORDS OF, OF PUBLIC SAFETY AGENCIES.
IMPLICATIONS RELATED TO FREE SPEECH, FREEDOM OF ASSEMBLY, FREEDOM OF RELIGION.
OUR GENERAL ORDER FORBIDS USE OF INVESTIGATIVE FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY FOR FIRST AMENDMENT ACTIVITIES.
CRIMINAL PREDICATE OR PUBLIC SAFETY THREAT IS REQUIRED FOR ALL USE.
INVESTIGATIVE FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY WILL NOT BE LEVERAGED TO IDENTIFY INDIVIDUALS ON LIVE FEEDS OR DURING LIVESTREAM EVENTS.
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, INCLUDING CONCERNS THAT THERE WILL BE AN OVERALL RELIANCE ON VIDEO EVIDENCE.
THE GENERAL ORDERS MAKES CLEAR THAT INVESTIGATIVE FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY IS ONLY ONE ELEMENT OF INVESTIGATIVE SUPPORT THAT MUST BE USED IN CONJUNCTION WITH ADDITIONAL COOPERATION AND INVESTIGATION TO ENSURE CLEAR DATA ON CLEARANCE RATES AND INVESTIGATIVE FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY, OUR GENERAL ORDER REQUIRES THAT ALL INSTANCES OF FACIAL RECOGNITION BE LOGGED AND MANDATE, FREQUENT REPORTING OF SYSTEM USAGE, ALLOWING DATA COLLECTION THAT COULD FACILITATE FURTHER RESEARCH OF DESIRED.
THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT SHARE FA FACIAL RECOGNITION DATA WITH ANY FEDERAL AGENCIES.
CLEARVIEW DOES NOT SHARE THE UPLOADED IMAGES IS, UH, CLEARVIEW DOES NOT SHARE THE UPLOADED IMAGES ELSEWHERE.
THERE ARE NO CAMERAS THAT ARE EQUIPPED WITH FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY.
THERE'S NO AUTOMATED PROCESS, AND IT MUST BE INITIATED WITH A STILL IMAGE SENT TO THE FUSION CENTER BY A DETECTIVE FOR DALLAS POLICE.
GENERAL ORDERS FACIAL RECOGNITION WILL NOT BE USED TO MONITOR OR IDENTIFY INDIVIDUALS IN CROWDS AND OR THOSE ENGAGING IN FIRST AMENDMENT PROTECTED ACTIVITIES, EXCEPT AS IT RELATES TO A CURRENT OR ONGOING CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.
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PROGRAM BACK IN OCTOBER OF 2024, WE'VE HAD 156 REQUEST.93, NO LEADS WERE GENERATED, SEVEN REQUESTS WERE DENIED.
25 LED TO AN ARREST, NINE ADVANCED THE INVESTIGATION AND 14 DID NOT LEAD TO AN ARREST.
AND EIGHT ARE STILL PENDING AN OUTCOME.
AND THAT, THAT'S THE PRESENTATION WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
I WANNA OPEN UP TO THE, TO BOARD THIS TIME TO ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.
MR. FRIED, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, JUST, JUST ONE QUESTION.
UH, THE 25 INSTANCES LED TO ARRESTS.
UH, WOULD THOSE ARRESTS HAVE BEEN MADE WITHOUT THE FACIAL RECOGNITION, FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY, OR WAS IT VITAL TO THE ARREST? UH, SERGEANT GRIFFIN, UH, DETE, THE DETECTIVES THAT WE ASKED, UH, WHETHER THAT LED TO THE ARREST, IT WAS VITAL AND IMPORTANT TO THE ARREST THAT THE, THE FACIAL RECOGNITION GOT THEM WHERE THEY NEEDED TO GO.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS, FOR THE SEVEN REQUESTS THAT WERE DENIED, IS THERE ANY COLOR YOU CAN ADD ON THOSE? YES, SIR.
THEY, THEY DIDN'T MEET THE CRITERIA, UH, ON A FEW OF THEM.
SO THEY WERE OFFENSES THAT WERE NOT COVERED, UH, BASED ON OUR POLICY.
AND THEN SOME OF THEM CAME DIRECTLY FROM PATROL OFFICERS WITHOUT ANY SUPERVISOR APPROVAL.
AND OUR POLICY REQUIRES THAT IT COME FROM A DETECTIVE THROUGH THEIR SUPERVISOR.
MS. KING, CAN YOU REMIND US, UM, WHAT YEAR YOU STARTED USING THIS TECHNOLOGY? IT WAS OCTOBER, 2024.
SO JUST A YEAR AND A COUPLE MONTHS? YES, MA'AM.
MR. MAPLES, UH, JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO, YOU, YOU SAID THAT THIS TYPE TECHNOLOGY IS NOT USED FOR, UH, I'LL, I'LL SPEAK IN LAYMAN'S TERMS THAT I UNDERSTAND LIVE FEEDS.
SO IF YOU'RE, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S A PROTEST GOING ON OUTSIDE THIS BUILDING AND YOU ARE TRYING TO MONITOR IT SO YOU'LL KNOW HOW MANY BOOTS TO PUT ON THE GROUND, IS IT A LIVE FEED THAT'S GOING BACK INTO WHEREVER IT IS YOU'RE MANNING OR WHEREVER YOU'RE SET UP? SO, SO WE WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE CAMERAS IN THE FUSION CENTER, BUT THEY'RE NOT RUN THROUGH FACIAL RECOGNITION THAT HAS TO BE INITIATED FROM A DETECTIVE.
AND WE HAVE TO MANUALLY START THAT PROCESS.
THERE'S NO AUTOMATED PROCESS WHERE THE CAMERA'S PICKING UP A FACE AND IT RUNS IT THROUGH FACIAL RECOGNITION.
SO I, I'M NOT A, I'M NOT A LAWYER.
I, BUT I DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THIS TECHNOLOGY COULD BE USED WITHOUT VIOLATING ONE'S CIVIL RIGHTS.
I, I JUST, I DON'T, I, I HAVE TO DO MORE RESEARCH TO MAKE IT MAKE SENSE TO ME.
BUT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO, TO FATHOM THAT, UM, AS IT RELATES TO FACIAL RECOGNITION.
AND I COULD BE ANYWHERE OR SOMEBODY THAT LOOKS LIKE JONATHAN MAPLES CAN BE ANYWHERE.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, WHILE THIS SOFTWARE IS FACIAL RECOGNITION SOFTWARE, WE'RE NOT USING THE SOFTWARE TO TELL US THAT THIS IS YOUR SUBJECT.
THE SOFTWARE IS PULLING A SET OF IMAGES FROM WHICH THAT WE CAN COMPARE THAT SUBJECT TO THOSE SET OF IMAGES.
AND A HUMAN IS ACTUALLY PERFORMING THE ANALYSIS ON THAT.
THE SOFTWARE IS NOT DOING IT FOR US.
IT'S JUST GIVING US THOSE SET OF IMAGES TO COMPARE AGAINST.
LASTLY, UM, BEING A MARINE, I UNDERSTAND GENERAL ORDERS AS YOU AS TECHNOLOGY IS ADVANCING, YOU ARE UPDATING YOUR GENERAL ORDERS TO KEEP UP.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR, WE ARE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? JUDGE LANDER? UH, DISTRICT EIGHT, YOU MAY HAVE ANSWERED THIS QUESTION, BUT THE, THE INFORMATION THAT IS, UH, THAT IS GAINED BY THIS FACIAL RECOGNITION, HOW LONG IS THIS RETAINED? SO IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE RETAINED, UH, PER THE, UH, UNITS, UH, THAT ARE REQUESTING IT.
SO THROUGH ALL APPEALS AND WHATEVER, UH, UM, CITY, UH, I'M SORRY.
STATE LAW REQUIRES THE EVIDENCE BE KEPT FOR WHATEVER THE OFFENSE IS.
SO IT IS RETAINED FOR OFFENSES ONLY, NOT CORRECT.
UH, DEREK PEGRAM, DISTRICT SIX.
SO FROM WHAT JONATHAN MAPLES WAS SAYING THAT IF THEY DID, THEY NEEDED TO REGULATE A CROWD TO SEE HOW MANY BOOTS TO PUT ON THE GROUND, AND THE FACIAL RECOGNITION WAS WORKING.
IF A VALID CRIME PERSON WAS OUT THERE AND THEY FACE DID COME UP, THAT WAS ALREADY ON FILE, THEY WOULDN'T REC THAT, THAT WOULDN'T BE USED TO, WE WOULD HAVE NO IDEA.
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WE HAVE, UH, MR. HIGGINS HAND UP ONLINE, UH, FLOOR.IS YOURS, BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS? UH, YES.
SO IN THE, THERE WAS A FLOW CHART YOU SHOWED ABOUT THE PROCESS AND YOU SAID IT'S SENT TO, UH, UH, REQUESTS SENT TO FUSION, AND THE, SO WHERE IS THE DATA HOUSED? IT IS HOUSED IN THE FUSION CENTER.
THE, THE INTERNAL LOG IS HOUSED IN THE FUSION CENTER.
AND THEN THE DATA IS THE DATA, THE PICTURE DATA IS STORED ON OUR INSTANCE, UH, IN CLEARVIEW SOFTWARE.
BUT YOU DO USE FACIAL RECOGNITION IN YOUR FUSION CENTER IN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT WAYS.
CORRECT? JUST THE WAYS THAT WE OUTLINED IN THIS PRESENTATION ARE THE ONLY WAYS THAT WE UTILIZE FACIAL RECOGNITION.
AND WHAT, IS THERE A PARTICULAR COMPANY THAT, UM, FACIAL THAT A FACIAL RECOGNITION SOFTWARE THAT YOU USE? YES, SIR.
WHICH IS, I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'VE SEEN THE NEWS AROUND THE COUNTRY ABOUT HOW PROBLEMATIC CLEARVIEW HAS BEEN WITH FACIAL RECOGNITION, PARTICULARLY WITH LATINO AND AFRICAN-AMERICAN RECOGNITION.
AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT WE'RE NOT RELYING ON THE SOFTWARE TO TELL US WHO THE SUBJECT IS.
THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING.
IT'S JUST GIVING US A SET OF IMAGES THAT WE CAN, UH, USE TO COMPARE THE IMAGE THAT WE WERE PROVIDED.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT OUR NUMBERS, THERE ARE SEVERAL, I MEAN, THE MAJORITY OF THEM WERE NOT PROVIDING ANY KIND OF LEAD BECAUSE WE CAN'T SAY ANY OF THOSE IMAGES THAT IT PROVIDED WERE THE SUBJECT.
YES, MS. KING, AS A FOLLOW UP TO JUDGE LAND'S QUESTION ABOUT RETENTION OF DATA.
UM, SO IF SOMEONE NEEDS IT FOR AN INVESTIGATION, THERE'S A PROCESS AND WHO KNOWS HOW LONG THEY KEEP IT.
BUT OTHERWISE, IS IT A 365 DAYS THING? LIKE THE CAMERAS? WELL, SO WE'RE ONLY GETTING THE REQUEST BASED ON CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS.
SO IT'S GONNA FOLLOW THAT STATE LAW, UH, FOR THEM TO KEEP THE EVIDENCE FOR HOWEVER LONG THEY NEED BASED ON THE OFFENSE.
BUT LIKE YOUR CAMERAS TAKE PICTURES AND THEN YOU DELETE 'EM IN 10 DAYS OR, WELL, WE'RE NOT EVEN RUNNING ANY OF OUR CAMERAS THROUGH FACIAL RECOGNITION.
SO NONE OF THAT IS, UH, STORED PERIOD.
UH, OUR CITY CAMERAS THAT ARE JUST AT INTERSECTIONS, THEY'RE STORED FOR 14 DAYS RIGHT NOW, BUT NONE OF THAT IS TIED INTO FACIAL RECOGNITION.
I'M TOTALLY CONFLATING, UM, CAMERAS AND FACIAL RE RECOGNITION, UM, TECHNOLOGY.
UM, AND THEN I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND ON YOUR, UM, ON THE PRIVACY CONCERNS, IT'S JUST WHAT IS THE LINGO? WHAT IS 28 CFR PIPE 23 MEAN? SO THAT'S, UH, THE CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS THAT A FUSION CENTER IS HELD TO BASED ON PRIVACY STANDARDS, UH, THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OUTLINES FOR, UH, RECOGNIZED AND PRIMARY FUSION CENTERS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I GUESS THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD, LIEUTENANT SERGEANT WAS WHERE, WHAT VIDEO, WHAT'S THE DATA, UH, WHAT VIDEO DO YOU ACCESS THAT'S IN THE FUSION CENTER? HOW DO YOU OBTAIN THAT DATA? IS THAT FROM THE CITY CAMERAS OR IS THAT FROM OTHER CAMERAS? UM, WHAT IS THE DATA, I GUESS THE COMPILATION OF VIDEOS THAT ARE USED EVENTUALLY FOR THE RACIAL, THE FACIAL RECOGNITION.
SO WE DON'T INPUT ANY VIDEOS INTO FACIAL RECOGNITION, ONLY STILL IMAGES.
AND THOSE IMAGES WILL COME FROM THE INVESTIGATING DETECTIVE.
WHERE DO THOSE IMAGES COME FROM? UH, THEY COULD COME FROM VARIOUS SOURCES.
SO, UH, IF THE VICTIM HAS A PICTURE OF THE SUSPECT, IF THEY, UH, PULL A SNIPPET OF A SURVEILLANCE VIDEO, IT COULD COME FROM A VIDEO, BUT WE ARE NOT RUNNING THE VIDEO THROUGH THE SOFTWARE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A SCREENSHOT OF THAT SUBJECT.
THAT WAY WE'RE NOT CAPTURING OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT INVOLVED IN THE, UH, THE OFFENSE.
SO I GUESS, UH, IF THERE IS THE VIDEO, YOU TAKE A SCREENSHOT ONLY OF THE FACE, AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER PHOTO, AND THEN YOU COMPARE THE TWO WITH THE FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY, AND THEN THAT ALSO IS DOUBLECHECK BY ANOTHER PERSON.
IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, SO THEY WOULD RUN IT IN, THEY WOULD PUT IT IN THE SOFTWARE.
THE SOFTWARE WOULD GIVE THEM, UH, IMAGES IN ORDER OF HOW SURE THAT THE SOFTWARE IS THAT THAT IS THE SUBJECT.
THEN THE ANALYSTS WILL GO THROUGH THOSE IMAGES, UH, BASED ON THEIR TRAINING THAT THEY RECEIVE IN THE 32 HOUR COURSE TO IDENTIFY POINTS ON THE FACE, UH, THAT WOULD LEAD THEM TO BELIEVE THAT IS OR IS NOT THE SUBJECT.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YEAH, I, I GOT ONE LAST QUESTION.
MR. MAPLES, HOW OFTEN DOES THE DRONE TECHNOLOGY BLEED OVER INTO YOUR TECHNOLOGY?
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I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY REQUESTS FROM A DRONE CAMERA WITH A FACE ON IT THAT I CAN REMEMBER.NOT ONE IN THIS BIG CITY? NO, SIR.
IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
SO I DO WANT TO THANK, UH, SERGEANT GRIFFIN AND LIEUTENANT C GLA FOR BEING HERE FOR THIS PRESENTATION, FOR ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR, UH, PRESENTATIONS, UH, FOR THIS MEETING, UM, FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT WE DO HAVE OUR REGULAR CHECK-IN WITH INTERNAL AFFAIRS, AND WE HAVE MAJOR AL WHO IS HERE.
AND, UH, MAJOR SALAS WILL, UH, GIVE US A REPORT, UH, FROM THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION.
FIRST OF ALL, GOOD EVENING TO EVERYBODY, AND, UH, NOT VERY MUCH FROM, UH, FROM IED THIS TIME.
I DO WANNA INVITE EVERYBODY TO THE, UH, VR REALITY BEST TRAINING THAT'S COMING UP ON JANUARY THE EIGHTH.
UH, SO IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO THOSE, UH, TRAINING, I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE EVERY ONE OF YOU TO ATTEND THAT, THAT TRAINING AT THE ACADEMY.
UH, ALSO, UH, I'M STILL ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO COME DOWN AND VISIT US AT THE IED, UH, OUR OFFICE.
UH, BESIDES THAT, WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK AND COOPERATE WITH THE OCPO.
WE MEET ON A MONTHLY BASIS AND HAVE THE, THIS GREAT COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN, UH, INVESTIGATOR HUFFIN, ALL THE STAFF AT THE COMMUNITY, UH, OVERSIGHT.
I APPRECIATE THE INVITATION TO THE EVENT ON JANUARY 8TH.
AND, UH, HAS THE BOARD BEEN SENT TO THE OFFICE? HAS THAT INFORMATION TO SEND TO US? I BELIEVE SO.
IT'S SET AT 1:00 PM FOR THAT DATE.
UH, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE SEND THAT OUT TO THE, UH, TO THE BOARD.
AND, UH, THANK YOU ALSO FOR THE INVITATION TO THE IED OFFICE.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR MAJOR SALAS? WE HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR MR. MAPLES.
YOU KNOW, I GOT JUST ONE QUESTION.
SO, SO I, I I DO, I DO HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE THE TOPIC IS, IS JUST ALL OVER THE PLACE AND IT'S, IT'S THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM TONIGHT.
UM, WHAT IS DP D'S ROLE IF YOU'RE ON PATROL AND MASS MEN ARE DOING, SAYING THEIR EYES? NO, NO, NO.
LET ME, LET RE LEMME, LEMME REPHRASE THAT.
DOES ICE HAVE TO SHOW DPD ANY PROOF THAT THEY'RE ICE, OTHER THAN JUST SAYING, HEY MAN, I'M ICE.
'CAUSE I CAN GO OUTSIDE TONIGHT AND BE ICE.
I BELIEVE THE PICTURES THAT WE SAW WERE EVERYBODY WAS WEARING SOME KIND OF MARKINGS.
BUT AGAIN, BUT AGAIN, DO THEY HAVE TO SHOW YOU PROOF? IF YOU PULL ME OVER, THE FIRST THING YOU'RE GONNA ASK ME FOR IS MY DRIVER'S LICENSE.
IS THERE ANY TYPE OF PROOF THAT HAS TO BE CONVEYED? I'LL LET CHIEF SPEAK ABOUT THIS ONE.
CHIEF ASSISTANT CHIEF ISRAEL HERRERA.
SO THEY DO NOT HAVE TO, THEY WORK ALSO IN UNDERCOVER CAPACITY, SO, OH MAN, THAT'S, SO, THEY WORK IN A UNDERCOVER CAPACITY, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO SHOW DPD ANYTHING OTHER THAN I GOTTA A VEST ON.
AS I MENTIONED, THEY CAN WORK IN UNDERCOVER CAPACITY, BUT AS YOU SAW IN MOST OF THE VIDEOS, YEAH.
EVERY, EVERY VIDEO I, THEY TYPICALLY MASKS ON HAVE SOMETHING THAT WOULD LET US KNOW WHO THEY ARE.
COULD YOU SEE HOW THAT COULD BE A PROBLEM? IT COULD BE, IT COULD PRESENT, UH, SOME QUESTIONS FOR SURE.
I MEAN, IT WILL, AT SOME POINT IT WILL AT SOME POINT BE BAD.
IT, BECAUSE YOU GO ON AMAZON TO GET A, A VEST THAT SAYS ICE YES.
AND, AND PUT A MASK ON, AND THEN NOBODY KNOWS WHO YOU ARE AND NOBODY'S QUESTIONING YOU.
AND THEN PEOPLE ARE RUNNING FOR THEIR LIVES, AND THEN THEY RUN UP ON SOMEBODY WITH A CHL AND WE GOT A BIGGER PROBLEM.
I JUST, I MEAN, IT'S JUST, I, I, I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO SHOW NOTHING, NOT EVEN ONE OF THEM WHO'S IN CHARGE? LIKE WHEN YOU GUYS GO OUT, YOU GOT A SERGEANT, SERGEANT CAN ADDRESS ANYTHING ELSE WHY THE OTHER OFFICERS ARE HANDLING THE BUSINESS, THEY JUST DOING WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING AND, AND NOBODY'S, I I CAN SEE, I CAN REALLY, REALLY SEE WHY EVERYBODY'S CONFUSED, WHY EVERYBODY'S ANGRY AND, AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SAD.
I I DON'T HAVE WORDS FOR IT THAT I CAN USE IN THIS SETTING RIGHT HERE.
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ME, I, TRUST ME, I DON'T, BECAUSE IT SENDS ME FROM ONE TO 100 TOO QUICKLY.BUT YEAH, WE, WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO PROTECT THESE CITIZENS BECAUSE
PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T TAKE THAT.
BUT OUR OFFICERS HAVE A VERY TOUGH JOB TO DO, SIR, BUT I'M A, I'M, I'M A CITIZEN AND THEY ARE WORKING VERY CLOSELY TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT EVERYONE'S TAKEN CARE OF.
THAT, THAT EVERYONE'S TAKEN CARE.
BUT THE THING ABOUT IT IS, IF A CITIZEN RUNS INTO A STORE AND SAY, HEY MAN, WE GOT MASS MEN OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE MIND OF OF, OF, OF A, A PERSON WHO'S NOT COMMITTING A CRIME, MASS MAN MEANS CRIMINAL
SO I, I I THINK WE SHOULD, I THINK MAY MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE A DISCUSSION.
NO, NOT, MAYBE THERE HAS TO BE A DISCUSSION ABOUT PROOF OF WHO YOU ARE SO THAT YOU'RE NOT SCARING EVERYBODY AND TO PROTECT DPD.
WE UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE TO BE PROTECTED TOO, BECAUSE IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, AND THEN WE FIND OUT A WEEK LATER THAT IT WASN'T NICE.
UM, WHAT IS TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, THE LAW WITH RESPECT TO BEING MASKED AND ARMED AT THE SAME TIME? I DON'T THINK I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.
IS IT LEGAL FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS A GUN ON THEIR HIP TO BE RUNNING AROUND WITH A MASK ON? IT IS ILLEGAL.
THEY, THEY CAN POSSESS A FIREARM IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
IT WOULD CERTAINLY RAISE SOME QUESTIONS FOR PEOPLE.
BECAUSE MY NEXT QUESTION IS, WHEN A POLICE OFFICER SEES AN INDIVIDUAL MASKED WITH A GUN, DOES IT NOT RAISE QUESTIONS IN THAT OFFICE? ABSOLUTELY.
AS A POLICE OFFICER, IF I WERE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I WOULD WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO WOULDN'T THE OFFICER APPROACH THE INDIVIDUAL WITH THE MASK ON TO VERIFY WHO HE IS AND WHY HE'S MASKED THE OFFICER MAY DO THAT, YES.
IS THERE A POLICY THAT REQUIRES THAT WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY AGAINST PEOPLE WEARING MASK OR NOT WEARING MASK? NO WEARING MASK WHILE ARMED AND BEING IDENTIFIED AS BEING SOME SORT OF AGENT SHOULD, WELL NOW YOU'RE MIXING AN AGENT.
IT CERTAINLY RAISES SUSPICION FOR OUR OFFICERS TO BUILD SOME PROBABLE CAUSE TO APPROACH THE INDIVIDUAL TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
IF THEY'RE FINDING OUT THAT THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING IE THEIR JOB, NOT OUR JOB, THEN WE, WE WILL NOT BE THERE TO DO, TO CARRY THAT MISSION OUT.
THEIR, THEIR JOB, UM, IS IF, IN FACT I AM SUPPOSED TO UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY, THEIR JOB IS TO ENFORCE THE IMMIGRATION AND, UM, LAWS.
AND IN ARRESTING SOMEBODY, THE LAST TIME I CHECKED, AND I'VE ONLY BEEN A JUDGE 30 YEARS, THE LAST TIME I CHECKED, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WARRANT TO ARREST.
OTHERWISE IT LOOKS LIKE A KIDNAP, SHOULD NOT DALLAS POLICE HAVE SOME SORT OF INTERVENTION THERE AND SAY, HOLD ON.
THEY'RE ENFORCING A FEDERAL LAW AND WE'RE NOT ENFORCING FEDERAL LAWS.
BUT THEREFORE THEY'RE ENFORCING A FEDERAL LAW IN DALLAS, IN MY CITY.
WE DO HAVE TO STAY ON THE AGENDA.
WELL, IT, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT SPECIFICALLY ON THE AGENDA, BUT IT WAS BROUGHT UP.
AND WE ARE HERE REPRESENTING THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS.
SO I THINK THAT, UH, I AM WITHIN MY RIGHTS TO ASK THESE KINDS OF QUESTIONS OF THE CHIEF.
WELL, I'M NOT DONE, BUT I'LL, I'LL STOP.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING IAD INTERNAL AFFAIRS TO SALALA? I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.
DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FOUR HYPOTHETICAL, A GROUP OF PEOPLE ARE RUNNING AROUND WITH A MASK APPROACHING SOMEONE WHO'S JUST PUMPING GAS.
IF THAT PERSON OR SOMEONE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM FEELS THREATENED AND THEY HAVE A LICENSE TO CARRY, IS IT AGAINST THE LAW TO DO SOMETHING TO PROTECT YOURSELF?
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WELL, IF YOU PUT IT IN HYPOTHETICAL, IT'S NOT AGAINST THE LAW TO PROTECT YOURSELF.APPRECIATE, UH, THE BOARD'S QUESTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING IAD TO MAJOR SALAS? SOUNDS GOOD.
UH, WE WILL, UH, NOW MOVE TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.
THANK YOU, MAJOR SALAS FOR THAT AND FOR ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS.
WE'LL NOW MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, WHICH IS THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT STAFF REPORT.
UH, WE'LL HAVE, HAVE A DIRECTOR'S REPORT AGENDA ITEM A OF 10 FROM DIRECTOR MICHELLE ANDRE, THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES, UH, YOU AT THIS TIME.
ALRIGHT, SO GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS REPORT.
I'LL BEGIN, UM, WITH AN UPDATE REGARDING THE BU ORDINANCE, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS AFFECTING COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD, AND THE TECHNICAL RESOURCE PANEL.
PLEASE REFER TO PAGE SEVEN OF THE ORDINANCE, WHICH IS, UM, THERE IS A COPY, UM, IN YOUR BINDER.
UM, EARLIER THIS YEAR, CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED A CITY MANAGER TO ENSURE CITYWIDE COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL DIRECTIVES REQUIRING GRANT RECIPIENTS TO, TO CERTIFY THAT THEY DO NOT OPERATE ANY PROGRAMS THAT VIOLATE FEDERAL NT DISCRIMINATION LAWS.
ENCOURAGE OR INCENTIVIZE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION OR USE FACTORS AS RACE, SEX, NATIONAL ORIGIN, OR RELIGION.
IN RESPONSE, THE CITY MANAGER INSTRUCTED ALL DEPARTMENTS TO TEMPORARY CEASE ANY POLICY OR PROGRAM THAT COULD POTENTIALLY, UM, COULD FLICK WITH THESE DIRECTIVES.
AND TO CONDUCT A FULL COMPLIANCE REVIEW.
A GRANT COMPLIANCE TASK FORCE WAS FORMED TO EVALUATE CITY POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.
AND THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVED A FULL BRIEF AND ON THIS WORK IN SEPTEMBER, FOLLOWING SEVERAL COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS, HELD TO GATHER PUBLIC INPUT AND ENSURE CONTINUED BENEFITS TO DALLAS RESIDENTS.
THE ORDINANCE WOULD INTRODUCE, UH, DECEMBER 3RD FOR THE CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION.
AT ITS DECEMBER 10TH MEETING, THE ORDINANCE INCLUDES PROPOSED REVISIONS TO CHAPTER 37 OF THE CITY CODE RELATING SPECIFICALLY TO COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD IN THE TECHNICAL RESOURCE PANEL.
THE AMENDMENTS INVOLVE REPLACING REFERENCE TO THE DIVERSITY OF AND ETHNIC DIVERSITY OF WITH UPDATED LANGUAGE REFERENCING TO THE COMMUNITY SERVED BY THESE CHANGES DO NOT IMPACT RESIDENTS DIRECTLY AND DO NOT ALTER THE OPERATIONAL FUNCTION OF THE BOARD OR THE PANEL.
RATHER, THEY SHIFT FOCUS TOWARDS REPRESENTATION ALIGNED WITH THE COMMUNITY SERVE AND THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT.
WHILE THE AMENDMENTS REMOVE MANDATORY LANGUAGE REFERENCES ETHNIC DIVERSITY, IT DOES NOT PROHIBIT DIVERSITY.
AND EACH COUNCIL MEMBER AND MAYOR, UH, CAN CONTINUE TO APPOINT INDIVIDUALS WHO REFLECTS THE NEEDS AND PRIORITIES OF THEIR DISTRICT.
TURNING TO STAFF AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT UPDATE THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT REMAIN FULLY STAFFED WITH NO VACANCIES.
I'VE BEEN HONORED TO SHARE THAT I'VE RECENTLY BEEN APPOINTED TO THE UNIVERSITY ALBANY ROCKEFELLER COLLEGE DEAN'S ADVISORY BOARD.
IN ADDITION, I HAVE SUBMITTED AN INTEREST IN JOINING THE NICOLE NA NATIONAL CONFERENCE ANNUAL CONFERENCE COMMITTEE FOR 2026.
UM, SENIOR OUTREACH SPECIALIST AMMA PEREZ WILL PROVIDE A DETAILED OVERVIEW OF OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES FROM NOVEMBER 10TH, MEETING TO PRESENT LATER IN THE AGENDA IN OUR TRANSPARENCY EFFORT.
COMMUNITY ADVISOR, WHILE DEAR GUERRERO, DISTRIBUTED A COPY OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE BRIEFING FROM YESTERDAY, WHICH INCLUDED AN UPDATE ON THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S PROPOSED TRAINING CENTER AT THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS AT DALLAS.
I COORDINATING WITH THE EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT CHIEF OF POLICE TO SCHEDULE A PRESENTATION FOR THE BOARD.
ONCE THE FULL COUNCIL HAS BEEN BRIEF IN ACCORDANCE WITH CITY CODE CHAPTER EIGHT.
UM, OUR TEAM IS CURRENTLY PREPARING A DRAFT OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT ANNUAL REPORT.
MEMBERS WILL RECEIVE THIS DRAFT VIA EMAIL IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
A FINAL VERSION WILL BE PRESENTED FOR APPROVAL DURING OUR JANUARY 13 MEETING.
POLICY ANALYST, CI SIERRA OUI HAS COORDINATED A VIRTUAL REALITY SCENARIO-BASED TRAINING SESSION AT THE DPD ACADEMY SCHEDULED FOR JANUARY 8TH, 2026 FOR INTERESTED BOARD MEMBERS.
THIS TRAINING WILL, UM, IMMERSE MEMBER PARTICIPANTS IN A REAL WORLD SCENARIOS THAT OFFICERS ENCOUNTER WITH A PRIMARY FOCUS ON BEHAVIORAL HEALTH RELATED CALLS.
PRIOR TO THE SIMULATION, PARTICIPANTS WILL RECEIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE FRAMEWORK GUIDED EXERCISE, FOLLOWED BY GROUP DISCUSSION AND FEEDBACK SESSION.
SEVERAL STAFF MEMBERS, INCLUDING MYSELF, HAS COMPLETED THIS TRAINING.
WE ARE CONTINUING TO DISCUSS, UH, WITH INTERNAL AFFAIRS ADDITIONAL TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE BOARD.
OUR OFFICE IS COLLABORATING WITH 9 1 1 EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION CENTER ON A RESIDENT FACING
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INFORMATION FLYER AND CAMPAIGN TO HELP CALLERS UNDERSTAND WHAT INFORMATION IS MORE HELPFUL DURING AN EMERGENCY CALL.THIS EFFORT IS AIMED AT ENSURING THAT 9 1 1 CALLERS CAN DISPATCH THE MOST APPROPRIATE AND EFFICIENT RESOURCES.
WE'RE ALSO CONTINUING OUR WORK WITH OFFICE OF DATA ANALYTICS AND BUSINESS INTELLIGENCE TO REDESIGN OUR ONLINE FORM COMPLAINT FORMS, ACCOMMODATION FORMS, AND INDEPENDENT REVIEW REQUEST FORM.
UM, CREATE ONE ONLINE STAFF MEMBER, UM, KIMONO RUSSELL SHARED A BAR GRAPH AND PIVOT CHART ILLUSTRATE OUR COMPLETED EXTERNAL COMPLAINT CASES VIA EMAIL.
WE WELCOME INPUT FROM THE BOARD REGARDING ANY ADDITIONAL FORMAT AND DATA, DATA VISUALIZATION THAT MAY ASSIST YOU IN YOUR REVIEW AND DISTRIBUTED REPORTS.
UM, FINALLY, MY OFFICE RECENTLY LAUNCHED A TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY DASHBOARD ON OCPO WEBSITE, DEVELOPING PARTNERSHIP WITH OFFICE OF DATA ANALYTICS AND BUSINESS INTELLIGENCE.
THIS PUBLIC FACING DASHBOARD IS SUCCESSFUL AND DESIGNED TO STRENGTHEN TRANSPARENCY, PROVIDING RESIDENTS WITH A CLEAR AND ACCESSIBLE INFORMATION ABOUT EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINT FILED WITH BOTH OCPO AND THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
IT INCLUDES DATA ON COMPLAINTS, TYPES, COMPLAINTS, COMPLAINANTS, DEMOGRAPHIC RESOLUTION OUTCOMES, AND AN ACCOMMODATION SUBMITTED FOR DBD OFFICERS.
WE'RE WORKING WITH COMMUNICATION AND CUSTOMER SERVICE EXPERIENCE 3 1 1 TO COORDINATE A PRESS RELEASE AND TO DEVELOP AN AWARENESS CAMPAIGN TO HELP ENSURE THE PUBLIC IS INFORMED ABOUT THIS NEW RESOURCE, WHICH IS THE FIRST DASHBOARD OF ITS KIND PRODUCED BY OUR OFFICE.
THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT FOR THIS EVENING.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR THE DIRECTOR OF THE OCPO? IT APPEARS EVERYONE IS SATISFIED, SO THERE'S NO, NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
MR. MAPLES, UM, FLOOR'S, YOURS AS, AS I EXPRESSED, UM, TO THE DIRECTOR EARLIER TODAY, WE, I'M, NO, I AM EXTREMELY PROUD OF YOU, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU BECAUSE WE HAVE COME A LONG, LONG WAY.
AND, UH, YOU, YOU HAVE GOTTEN US DOWN THE ROAD TO WHERE WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GO AS A BOARD, AND I THINK EVERYONE ELSE MAY FEEL THE SAME WAY.
AND IF THEY DON'T, DON'T PLEASE KEEP IT TO YOURSELF.
BUT ANYWAY, YEAH, WE, I MEAN, I'M EXTREMELY PROUD OF YOU AND THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU'VE DONE IN AND OUTSIDE OF THIS BUILDING AND FOR THE WORK YOU'RE DOING WHEN WE DON'T SEE YOU WORKING.
HERE, HERE, AGREE WITH MR. MAPLES.
WE'LL NOW MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM B UNDER AGENDA NUMBER 10.
IT'S CALLED, UH, SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR REPORT.
AND WE HAVE INVESTIGATOR GREG HUFF TODAY.
UH, UNDER HIS TAB, WE HAVE, UM, A CRITICAL INCIDENT REPORT THAT WE'LL HEAR, AND ALSO THERE'LL BE SOME CASES WHERE AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN CONDUCTED.
AND ALSO WE HAVE TWO CASES THAT WILL BE UNDER CONSIDERATION FOR AN INDEPENDENT, UH, REVIEW.
UM, BUT WHEN, WE'LL, WE'LL BEGIN NOW WITH, UM, UH, CRITICAL INCIDENT NOTIFICATIONS.
INVESTIGATOR, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
UH, GREG HOUSE, SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR FOR OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT.
UH, WE HAD A CRITICAL INCIDENT BACK ON NOVEMBER 24TH.
IT OCCURRED AT THE HIDE AND SEAT CLUB, WHICH IS JUST DOWN THE STREET ON COMMERCE STREET.
UM, APPROXIMATELY 2:01 AM A 31-YEAR-OLD KEDRICK MCDONALD, PRODUCED A HANDGUN AND FIRED MULTIPLE ROUNDS AT 27-YEAR-OLD ZAED COX, WHO WAS SEATED IN A VEHICLE IN THE PARKING LOT THERE.
UM, MCDONALD FIRED SEVERAL ROUND, SEVERAL MORE ROUNDS, AND ENDED UP STRIKING THREE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE PARKING LOT.
UH, MCDONALD THEN TURNED AND RAN TOWARDS OFFICERS WITH HIS GUN AND OFFICERS FIRED.
UM, STRIKING MCDONALD, BOTH MCDONALD AND THE 27 YEAR OLDS.
ZA MED COX WERE PRONOUNCED DECEASED AT THE SCENE.
AND WE HAVE A SHORT VIDEO HERE, ABOUT FIVE MINUTE VIDEO OF SURVEILLANCE VIDEO FROM THE CLUB, AND ALSO BODY-WORN CAMERA.
IS THERE ANY SOUND INVESTIGATOR OR IS THIS, UH, NO SOUND? THERE'LL BE SOME SOUND THAT'LL POP UP HERE IN A MINUTE.
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THE GUN.GET AMBULANCE, GET AMBULANCE, GET AMBULANCE.
GET A, WE NEED AMBULANCE RIGHT HERE.
HEY, LET CLEAR, WATCH YOUR BACK.
OFFICER, I NEED YOU TO GET IN THAT BAG RIGHT THERE.
I, WHERE WE AT? WHERE WE AT? TALK TO ME.
BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S AT.
LISTEN, GUY RUNNING FOR THANK YOU INVESTIGATOR, UM, WON'T OPEN UP TO THE BOARD FOR ANY QUESTIONS THEY MAY HAVE.
AGAIN, THIS IS AN ACTIVE INVESTIGATION, SO IF THERE'S QUESTIONS THAT CAN'T BE ANSWERED THIS TIME, UM, ALL OF THEM.
BUT, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY CLARIFICATION, I KNOW MAJOR'S HERE TOO, BUT AGAIN, THERE MAY BE SOME LIMITATIONS ON WHAT CAN BE ANSWERED BEING THAT IT'S, UH, AN ACTIVE INVESTIGATION.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? JUDGE LANDER? UH, DISTRICT EIGHT.
UM, WERE ALL OF THE INJURIES TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE,
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WERE ALL OF THE INJURIES AS A RESULT OF THE, UM, PERPETRATOR OF THE INCIDENT? YES, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, ASIDE FROM, OF COURSE, THE RIGHT BESIDE THE, THE SHOOTER.ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? THANK YOU, INVESTIGATOR, UM, FOR, UH, PROVIDING THAT VIDEO AND FOR THE REPORT ON THE CRITICAL INCIDENT.
WE'LL NOW MOVE, UH, TO JUNE ITEM TWO, UH, WHICH IS CONSIDERATION OF INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS.
WE HAVE TWO CASES TODAY, AND THESE ARE INVESTIGATIONS THAT WE AS A BOARD PREVIOUSLY VOTED FOR THE OFFICE TO CONDUCT A FULL INVESTIGATION.
SO THESE ARE AS A FULL REPORT THAT, UH, INVESTIGATOR WILL SHARE WITH US.
UM, FOLLOWING EACH PRESENTATION, WE WILL VOTE AS A BOARD ON WHETHER WE WANT TO ACCEPT THE FINDINGS OF THE OCPO.
IF WE VOTE TO ACCEPT THE FINDINGS, THEN THIS DOCUMENT WILL BE SENT TO THE POLICE CHIEF TO, TO REVIEW AND TO READ.
UH, AND IF WE VOTE NOT TO, UM, THIS PARTICULAR ONE, UM, THEN, UH, IF WE DON'T, IF, IF WE VOTE NOT TO SUPPORT THE, THE FINDINGS, THEN IT'LL, IT'LL DIE HERE.
SO, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HEAR, UH, THE FIRST ONE, UH, CASE NUMBER DR 2 25 0 8 3 NORA RES, AND THEN THAT WILL, UH, WE'LL VOTE AS A BOARD ON WHETHER YOU APPROVE OR NOT.
THE NORA ZANDRA, UM, UH, REQUEST WAS SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD, UH, TWO MONTHS AGO, IS WHEN THAT WAS VOTED ON.
SO AS A REMINDER, THAT WAS THE, UM, UM, NORA ZANDRA WHO WAS ASSAULTED IN A PIZZA RESTAURANT BACK IN APRIL.
UM, HIS COMPLAINTS WERE OFFICIAL OPPRESSION.
HE SAID THAT RESPONDING OFFICERS THREATENED TO ARREST HIM WITHOUT CAUSE WHEN HE ASKED FOR THEIR IDENTIFICATION, HE FURTHER ALLEGED THAT THE OFFICERS FABRICATED CLAIMS OF INTOXICATION, FALSELY ACCUSED HIM OF INITIATING THE ASSAULT, AND REFUSED TO HONOR HIS ACCOMMODATION REQUESTS.
HE ALSO COMPLAINED OF FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE WHEN THE CASE WAS ASSIGNED TO DETECTIVE BOWIE.
UM, HE COMPLAINED THAT THAT DETECTIVE FAILED TO CONDUCT A PROPER INVESTIGATION, THAT DETECTIVE DID NOT CONTACT KEY WITNESSES OR THOROUGHLY REVIEW THE MATERIALS PROVIDED BY JRE.
UH, DETECTIVE BOWIE CHARACTERIZE JRE AS THE AGGRESSOR, DESPITE DIGITAL EVIDENCE AND THIRD PARTY WITNESSES, UH, CONTRADICTING THAT.
AND THEN YOU ALSO COMPLAINED ABOUT THE A DA VIOLATIONS.
UM, AFTER FILING THE REPORT, UH, JOHN JUST BEGAN MEDICAL LEAVE AND FORMALLY REQUESTED THAT ALL COMMUNICATION BE CONDUCTED VIA EMAIL AS A REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION, UH, UNDER THE AMERICAN WITH DISABILITIES ACT.
SO WE HEAD TO THE, UM, FINDINGS HERE.
SO THE FIRST, ONE OF THE ALLEGATION OF OFFICIAL OPPRESSION WHEN REVIEWING THE BODY-WORN CAMERA, UM, OF OFFICER COR, UM, THAT JUST SIMPLY DID NOT HAPPEN.
UM, I DUNNO HOW ELSE TO WORD THAT.
YOU KNOW, HIS ALLEGATIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, HE ASKED FOR THEIR IDENTIFICATION, THEY THREATENED TO ARREST HIM.
UM, AND THEN HE HAD COMPLAINED THE OFFICERS FABRICATED CLAIMS THAT, UM, HE WAS INTOXICATED AND WERE VIEWING THE, UM, BODY-WORN CAMERA.
THE OFFICER DID ASK UNDRE IF HE HAD BEEN DRINKING AND HE DENIED IT, AND THAT, THAT WAS THE END OF THE CONVERSATION.
NOTHING FURTHER HAPPENED THERE.
UM, SO WITH THAT, I FIND THAT THE ALLEGATION OF HER OFFICIAL OPPRESSION WAS UNFOUNDED.
UH, THE SECOND ALLEGATION OF FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AGAINST, UH, SENIOR CORPORAL BOWIE.
UH, I REVIEWED, UH, THE WORK THAT SENIOR CORP CORPORAL BOWIE DID, AND HE INTERVIEWED THREE WITNESSES AND WAS UNABLE TO IDENTIFY THE SUSPECT THROUGH A PHOTO.
UM, SENIOR CORPORAL BOWIE DID INFORM JOHN DR.
THAT HE COULD NOT IDENTIFY THE SUSPECT, AND THAT THE WITNESSES HAD CONTRADICTED JOHN D'S STATEMENT.
UM, SO BASED ON THIS INFORMATION, IT CAN BE REASONABLY CONCLUDED THAT THE INVESTIGATION WOULD NOT PROCEED ANY FURTHER.
SO THEREFORE, THE FINDING FOR THE ALLEGATION OF FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE IS ALSO UNFOUNDED.
AND THEN THE ALLEGATION OF THE A DA, UH, VIOLATION, UM, THIS WAS REVIEWED BY THE A DA COMPLIANCE MANAGER, GARY COPELAND, WITH THE CITY, AND HE DID NOT FIND ANY A DA VIOLATIONS.
UM, SO THEREFORE, THE, UH, THE FINDING FOR THAT WOULD BE UNFOUNDED.
AND LASTLY, WHEN REVIEWING THIS, UM, IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT SERGEANT BARRETT, WHO WAS AT THE SCENE, DID NOT USE HIS BODY-WORN CAMERA AT THE SCENE.
THERE'S ABOUT A 32ND INTERACTION BETWEEN SERGEANT BARRETT AND NORRA JRE AT THE VERY END OF THE, THE CONTACT THERE.
AND, UM, AND THAT WAS NOT RECORDED BY SERGEANT BARRETT.
IT WAS RECORDED BY THE OTHER OFFICER THERE.
UH, SERGEANT BARRETT DID NOTE THAT IN THE REPORT THAT HIS, UM, CAMERA WAS NOT ON, BUT HE DID NOT NOTE
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A REASON, WHICH ACCORDING TO POLICY, HE'S REQUIRED TO NOTE THE REASON ALSO.SO WITH THAT IN MIND, UM, WE FOUND IT SUSTAINED FOR, UH, FOR SERGEANT BARRETT FOR THE, UH, BODY-WORN CAMERA VIOLATIONS.
UH, SO WE'LL OPEN IT UP RIGHT NOW FOR CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.
UH, THAT WOULD HELP IN OUR DECISION.
AND THEN, UM, AFTER THAT ROUND, IF, IF I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM THE BOARD, UH, TO, UH, TO ADVANCE THIS, TO ACCEPT THIS PROPOSAL OR, UH, TO, NOT TO, BUT, UM, ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME FROM THE BOARD? JUDGE LANDER, DISTRICT GATE? YES, JUDGE.
SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE OFFICE, UH, IS NOT MAKING ANY RECOMMENDATION ON THIS AT ALL, IS THAT RIGHT? AS FAR AS RECOMMENDATIONS, I'M RECOMMENDING THE FINDINGS OF UNFOUNDED EXCEPT FOR THE, UH, BODY-WORN CAMERA, WHICH ONES WERE SUSTAINED.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, MR. BAUGH? UH, BRIAN BAUGH, DISTRICT FIVE, I REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS, IT SEEMED, IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS SOME CONSENSUS THAT WE VIEWED IT AS, MOST OF THE COMPLAINT AS NOT PROBLEMATIC, BUT THE, THE LACK OF JUST TURNING ON THE BODY-WORN CAMERA WAS, WAS OUR ISSUE WITH IT.
UM, GOING THROUGH THE, UH, INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION, THEY, THEY DIDN'T NOTE THAT THE LACK OF ISSUE WITH THE BODY-WORN CAMERA, DID THEY? NO, THEY DID NOT, UM, NOTE THAT AT ALL.
SO, COULD IT BE ONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS? JUST THAT, LIKE WE DID, THEY JUST MAKE, MAKE NOTICE OF THINGS LIKE THIS WHEN THERE'S A GENERAL VIOLATION THAT'S HAPPENING, UH, THAT MIGHT IN THIS INSTANT BE FAIRLY SMALL, THAT THEY, THEY PICK UP ON STUFF LIKE THAT, JUST LIKE WE DO.
UM, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD WANNA SPECIFICALLY WARD THAT, BUT ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT WE DID, WE, I, OR AT LEAST YOU DID THAT, I THINK YOU WERE THE ONE THAT NOTED IT.
OR IF IT WAS A BOARD MEMBER THAT THE LACK OF THE BODY-WORN CAMERA.
SO NORMALLY INTERNAL AFFAIRS WILL NOTE THAT THE BODY-WORN CAMERA VIOLATIONS WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY SEE THEM, UM, SOMETIMES WHEN IT'S REFERRED TO THE DIVISION, UM, THEY DON'T END UP LOOKING INTO THE BODY-WORN CAMERA PORTION.
AND, AND I ALSO WANNA SAY IAD IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THIS, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME, UH, FORWARD IF YOU'D LIKE TO.
UH, THE, THE FLOOR IS ALWAYS A AVAILABLE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS.
UM, I DO HAVE A, BEFORE WE TAKE THIS, UH, TO A VOTE.
AND, AND, UH, I'M CURIOUS, UH, ABOUT WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE REPORT AND REASON WHEN IT COMES TO BODY CAM FOOTAGE, IS THERE A POLICY THAT YOU KNOW OF, AND MAYBE WE COULD ASK IAD UM, WHAT IS THAT, THAT POLICY WHEN IT COMES TO, IT'S, I GUESS IT'S OKAY TO NOT HAVE BODY CAM A BODY WORN FOOTAGE IF YOU GIVE A REASON OR WHAT, WHAT'S THE, OH, YEAH.
UH, JUST A LITTLE CLARIFICATION ON THAT REPORT.
UM, AND REASON FOR NOT HAVING IT, THAT THERE IS A WAY FOR AN OFFICER TO BE EXONERATED FOR NOT HAVING THEIR BODY CAM FOOTAGE ON IF THEY HAVE A REASON.
THE, THE POLICY STATES THAT IF AN OFFICER FORGETS FOR WHATEVER REASON, OR BODY CAM CAMERA DOES NOT WORK, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO A REPORT ON A MISCELLANEOUS INCIDENT REPORT STATING WHY IT WASN'T ON IN THIS CASE.
THE, THE WHOLE THING WAS CAPTURED BY THE OTHER OFFICER.
UH, SERGEANT BARRETT, I THINK ONLY HAD LIKE A 32ND INTERACTION.
IT WAS NOTED THAT HE DIDN'T PUT IT ON.
SO IT WAS, IT WAS DOCUMENTED, EXCEPT HE DIDN'T PUT A REASON WHY HE NEVER TURNED IT ON.
SO IN SOME, IN SOME CASES, AS LONG AS YOU GIVE A REASON OF WHY SURE.
IT WASN'T TURNED ON, YOU ARE CLEARED.
SO, YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE THIS TO A VOTE, BUT I DO THINK THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT THE POLICY COMMUNITY COULD LOOK AT, UH, BECAUSE, UH, AND MAYBE THE POLICY'S WRITTEN CORRECTLY, BUT MAYBE THE INTERPRETATION OF THE QUALITY.
I, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT IF AFTER AN INCIDENT, UM, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT HAPPENED SO FAST OR, YOU KNOW, OR, OR SOMETHING WAS BROKEN, UH, A BODY CAM WAS BROKEN, YOU CAN GIVE A REASON FOR IT.
AND NOT HAVING ON BUT TO BE CLEARED AND EXONERATED JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T TURN IT ON.
THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S AN ACCEPTABLE REASON.
UM, AND SO MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT IN THE POLICY COMMITTEE, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL, WE WILL, UH, VOTE FIRST AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION,
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UM, AFTER OUR VOTE.DO I HAVE A MOTION, UH, TO ACCEPT? I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE REPORT AS WRITTEN? THERE HAS BEEN A MOTION AS IT SECONDED.
IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY JONATHAN MAPLES.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE WE TAKE THIS TO A VOTE? UM, SEEING THERE'S NONE, UH, WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS ONE.
DISTRICT TWO, JONATHAN MAPLES.
DISTRICT THREE? UH, I'M GONNA BE OFF RIGHT NOW.
AND I DO WANT TO ASK, UH, TO MAYBE PUT THIS BEFORE THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE.
UH, SPECIFICALLY I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE POLICY DBD POLICY ABOUT THE REPORT AND REASON.
UM, I'D LOVE FOR THE POLICY COMMITTEE TO KINDA LOOK INTO THAT MORE AND HOW THAT POLICY IS BEING IMPLEMENTED WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND AGAIN, MAYBE THE POLICY ITSELF ISN'T THE PROBLEM.
UH, 'CAUSE, UM, IT MAKES SENSE THAT YOU CAN BE EXCUSED IF YOU GIVE A GOOD REASON.
BUT I GUESS HOW WE DEFINE WHAT THAT GOOD REASON IS, I THINK THAT'D BE WORTH TALKING ABOUT.
SO, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, PUT THAT ON THE PLATE FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, WHENEVER THEY THEY MEET.
WELL, WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, THE NEXT CASE, WHICH IS, UH, BILLY ROBERTSON, UH, CASE NUMBER NI 20 25 0 7 0 4, UH, INVESTIGATOR.
UM, YEAH, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR YOUR REPORT.
THE, UH, ROBINSON REQUEST CAME LAST MONTH BEFORE THE BOARD.
UM, AND HE'S THE ONE WHO HAD HIS, UH, STORAGE UNITS BROKEN INTO.
HE HAD TWO STORAGE UNITS ON TWO SEPARATE OCCASIONS, UM, BURGLARIZED.
AND HE COMPLAINED THAT THE DETECTIVE FAILED TO CONDUCT ANY FOLLOW UP ON HIS CASE.
UM, I REVIEWED THE BODY-WORN CAMERAS, AND, UM, AND ALSO A THIRD INCIDENT, UH, OCCURRED ABOUT A WEEK OR ABOUT A MONTH AFTERWARDS, WHERE, UH, ROBERTSON CALLED THE POLICE BACK OUT TO THE STORAGE UNITS WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
UM, AND THEN I ALSO TALKED TO ROBERTSON HIMSELF.
AND ALL THE INFORMATION THAT HE PROVIDED WAS ALL, UM, I GUESS THE BEST WAY TO SAY IT WOULD BE THEORIES OR HUNCHES OF HOW THE CRIME MAY HAVE OCCURRED.
UM, AS IN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MANAGEMENT WENT IN THROUGH THE VACANT, UM, STORAGE UNIT NEXT DOOR, AND SOMEONE CLIMBED UP AND OVER THE WALL AND INTO HIS UNIT.
SO HE HAD A COUPLE DIFFERENT THEORIES, BUT THERE WAS NO SPECIFIC FACTS THAT THE DETECTIVE WOULD FOLLOW UP ON, UH, WHEN I REVIEWED THAT.
SO BASED ON THAT INFORMATION, I MADE THE FINDING FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE UNFOUNDED.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY FOR THE BOARD WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON TO, UH, SEEING THAT HIS, UH, THE INVESTIGATOR'S CONCLUSION WAS IN LINE WITH IAD, THAT THERE IS NO POLICY VIOLATIONS, THAT IF WE VOTE TO APPROVE THIS DOCUMENT, THEN THE CASE IS CLOSED.
AND, UH, WE WON'T SEND IT TO THE POLICE CHIEF.
'CAUSE IT'S A, IT'S AN AGREEMENT.
THE ONLY WAY WE WOULD SEND IT TO THE POLICE CHIEF IS IF THERE'S A, A DISAGREEMENT OR, UH, A DIFFERENT OF OPINION BETWEEN THE, THE OFFICE AND THE IAD IN THIS CASE.
THERE'S ALIGNMENT IN THIS CASE.
SO, UH, IF WE VOTE TO APPROVE THE INVESTIGATOR'S FINDINGS, THEN, UM, THE CASE IS CLOSED HERE.
SO I JUST WANNA GIVE YOU ALL THE, THE, UH, WHAT, WHAT THIS VOTE WOULD ENTAIL.
ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OF CLARIFICATION ON THIS PARTICULAR, UH, CASE REGARDING BILLY ROBERTSON.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE INVESTIGATION OF, UH, THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT.
IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH.
ANY, UH, DISCUSSION ON THIS? UH, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD, MAJOR SALAS, SO, SORRY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GET OUT, BUT, UH, HERE, I GUESS I WAS, I WAS CURIOUS.
UM, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE DETECTIVE WAS CALLED IN THIS CASE.
UM, BUT, UM, THE INFORMATION THAT THE DETECTIVE RECEIVED, IT WAS JUST A LOT OF HUNCHES AND,
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YOU KNOW, NOT A LOT OF, UM, CONCRETE DATA TO REALLY GO, GO FORTH.AND, AND SO THE DETECTIVE CHOSE NOT TO FOLLOW THROUGH, WHICH, WHICH MAKES SENSE, BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS IN THINKING THROUGH IT.
A A NORMAL DETECTIVE, HOW MANY CASES USUALLY DOES A DETECTIVE HAVE ON HIS OR HER SLATE? UM, AT A GIVEN TIME, I WANNA SAY SEVERAL, ESPECIALLY PROPERTY CRIMES AT A DIVISION LEVEL IS GONNA BE PROBABLY 60 OR 70 A WEEK, IF NOT MORE, UH, BECAUSE IT IS PROPERTY CRIMES.
SO I CAN SEE WHY THESE DETECTIVE, UH, KNOWING HIS BACKGROUND, HE WAS A HOMICIDE DETECTIVE.
HE WOULD KNOW WHAT REAL, UH, CREDIBLE, UH, LEADS WOULD LEAD TO.
AND YOU HAVE TO PRIORITIZE THOSE.
AND SO YOU, IT MAKES SENSE THAT THIS ONE WITH NOT AS MUCH QUANTIFIABLE DATA WOULD BE ONE THAT WOULD BE A LESSER PRIORITY, BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS, UH, ON A, WHAT A, A LIFE OF A DETECTIVE IS LIKE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS BEFORE WE TAKE THIS TO A VOTE? WE'LL DO ANOTHER, UH, ROLL CALL.
I ALSO SAY, YES, MOTION PASSES AND, UH, THE FINDINGS ARE ACCEPTED.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, INVESTIGATOR.
UH, WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO TWO CASES THAT, UH, ARE UP FOR CONSIDERATION.
WE, AS A BOARD WILL DECIDE WHETHER WE FEEL, UH, THESE CASES SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED FURTHER.
2025 DASH NINE ONE WESLEY THOMAS, INVESTIGATOR, UH, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
ON JULY 25TH, 2025, WESLEY THOMAS SUBMITTED A COMPLAINT TO THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, MADE THE FOLLOWING ALLEGATIONS.
HE ADVISED THAT POLICE RESPONDED TO A CIVIL MATTER AT HIS RESIDENCE AFTER IT WAS DETERMINED THAT NO CRIME HAD BEEN COMMITTED.
MR. THOMAS INSTRUCTED SERGEANT PONCE TO LEAVE HIS PROPERTY.
MR. THOMAS CLAIMS THAT SERGEANT PONCE REMAINED ON THE PROPERTY FOR 30 MINUTES AFTER BEING TOLD TO LEAVE, AND HE ALSO COMPLAINED THAT SERGEANT PONCE USED FOUL LANGUAGE WHEN HE FINALLY DID LEAVE THE PROPERTY.
SO THIS INCIDENT, UM, WAS, UM, STARTED WHEN A CALLER, CALLER REPORTED THAT SHE WAS AT THE LOCATION TO PICK UP HER CHILD.
AND THE CHILD'S FATHER, WHO IS THE COMPLAINANT, WESLEY THOMAS, UH, PULLED A GUN ON HER POLICE RESPONDED AND LEARNED THAT THERE WAS NO CUSTODY AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES.
AND THE POLICE LEARNED AFTER THEY ARRIVED THAT THOMAS DID NOT POINT THE WEAPON AT THE CALLER.
THE POLICE ATTEMPTED TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES.
HOWEVER, THOMAS WAS UNWILLING TO COOPERATE.
UM, THE COMPLAINT WENT TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS, AND THEY REFERRED IT TO THE PATROL DIVISION TO INVESTIGATE AS A DIVISION REFERRAL.
UH, LIEUTENANT SANDLIN WAS ASSIGNED THE INVESTIGATION.
UM, LIEUTENANT SANDLIN WROTE IN HIS REPORT THAT OFFICERS WERE AT THE PROPERTY FOR A DISTURBANCE, WHICH INVOLVED MR. THOMAS HAVING A FIREARM.
OFFICERS WERE AT THE PROPERTY FOR APPROXIMATELY 15 MINUTES, BUT THEY REMAINED OUTSIDE OF HIS DRIVEWAY, GATE AND FENCE LINE.
UH, THE INVESTIGATION REVEALED THAT WHEN MR. THOMAS WAS YELLING PROVA PROFANITIES AT SERGEANT PONCE TO GET OFF HIS PROPERTY, SERGEANT PONCE RESPONDED WITH QUOTE, THAT'S WHAT I'M F*****G DOING.
AND QUOTE, MR. THOMAS YELLED SOMETHING ELSE AT SERGEANT PONCE WHO RESPONDED WITH NO S**T.
LIEUTENANT SANDLIN CONCLUDED THAT THE ALLEGATION OF PROFANITY WAS EXONERATED.
HOWEVER, HE DID, UM, UM, PROVIDE SOME DIFFERENT TYPE OF VERBAL TACTICS TO SERGEANT PONS THAT HE COULD USE IN THE FUTURE.
AND THERE WAS NO FINDING LISTING FOR THE TRESPASS ALLEGATION IN THE, UH, DIVISION REFERRAL REPORT.
THE OCPO CONDUCTED OUR PRELIMINARY REVIEW OF MR. THOMAS' COMPLAINT AND FOUND THAT YES, THERE IS A POSSIBLE VIOLATION OF THE POLICY PROHIBITING THE USE OF PROFANE LANGUAGE.
AND THE OCPO ALSO ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THERE'S NO FINDING LISTED FOR THE TRESPASS COMPLAINT.
BEFORE WE VOTE, UH, ON THIS OR ENTERTAIN A MOTION, ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS? I DO, YES.
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JULIA SIMON, DISTRICT 13.I'M, I GUESS WHAT I'M CONFUSED ABOUT IS THE, THE, WHATEVER INVESTIGATION WAS DONE, IT'S CLEAR.
HE ALSO FOUND THERE WAS PROFANITY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY DISPUTE ABOUT THAT.
THE QUESTION, I THINK, IS WHETHER HE CAN EXONERATE, LIKE I, WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOUR INVESTIGATION DO THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THIS? THAT'S WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
YOU'RE ASKING WHAT MY INVESTIGATION WOULD BE DIFFERENTLY IF, IF, IF WE DECIDED TO HAVE YOU INVESTIGATE FURTHER, WHAT WOULD YOU BE INVESTIGATING? WELL, I WOULD BE INVESTIGATING WHETHER HE, UM, USE PROFANE LANGUAGE AT THE SCENE, AND THEN ALSO WHETHER THEY TRESPASSED OR NOT.
I JUST DON'T SEE WHERE HE DENIED HE DID IT.
SO THAT, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL I'M CONFUSED ABOUT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WHAT WAS THE LOCATION INVESTIGATOR? IT WAS, UM, 7,200 BLOCK OF SOUTH LANCASTER ROAD.
AND, UH, MAJOR I WILL ASK, UH, MAJOR SALAS.
I KNOW ALLEGATION TWO IS THAT, UM, HE, THAT THE OFFICER USED PROFANE LANGUAGE, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT HE DID USE PROFANE LANGUAGE.
AND IS THERE A POLICY, IT SAYS HERE, COC 4 1 15, NO EMPLOYEE SHALL USE PROFANE LANGUAGE.
HOW DO YOU, AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT, IED, HOW DO YOU INTERPRET THAT POLICY? WELL, ANY, ANY OFFICER SHOULD NOT BE USING ANY TYPE OF PROFANITY WITHIN THE, WITH THE PUBLIC PERIOD.
UH, IN THIS CASE, LIEUTENANT CHANDLER LANE, UH, OBSERVED IT AND ADDRESSED IT BY TALKING TO THE SERGEANT, WHO ACTUALLY, UH, USED IT AT THAT TIME.
AND I'M A LITTLE BIT, UH, INTERESTED THAT IT, UM, IT, THE POLICY'S PRETTY CLEAR.
IT DID GO TO DIVISION REFERRAL AND THE LIEUTENANT EXONERATED THE OFFICER, UM, AND BASICALLY SAID, UH, HEY, JUST LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW TO BETTER SPEAK TO CLIENTS OR TO THE PUBLIC AND, AND TO COMMUNITY.
UM, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SUSTAINED THEN COUNSEL ALSO THAT, UH, MAY, CAN, COULD, UH, IS THERE ANY INSIGHT YOU COULD SHARE WITH US ABOUT WHY, WHY POTENTIALLY IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE, THIS IS EXONERATED WHEN IT'S PRETTY CLEAR A POLICY IS BROKEN? NO, I CAN, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT, UH, CHAIRPERSON, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND, UH, YOUR PERCEPTION FROM IT ABOUT BEING SUSTAINED.
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION AT ALL, UH, FROM THE BOARD? AND WE CAN HAVE FOR THE DISCUSSION? GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FOUR, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE REPORT IS WRITTEN.
SO, UH, THIS ONE IS, UH, UM, TO WHETHER WE WANT TO CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
OH, I MOVE THAT WE DO NOT, THAT THIS DOESN'T WARRANT AN INVESTIGATION.
SO ONE THING WE HAVE BEEN DOING RECENTLY, UH, SO SORRY, I CATCH YOU UP.
UH, WE, WE'VE BEEN GIVEN THE MOTIONS IN THE AFFIRMATIVE AND THEN, AND THEN THAT WAY, UM, IF WE WANNA STRIKE IT DOWN, WE WILL.
THE THIRD TIME, YES, I MOVE THAT WE CONDUCT NO INVESTIGATION.
CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
UH, YOU'RE GONNA MOVE TO CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, COUNSEL.
I MOVE THAT WE CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
SO THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE TO CONDUCT IT.
AND, UM, AND IF, IF I THINK SHE, YEAH, SO WE'LL MAKE THE, IN THE POSITIVE.
AND SO IF WE DON'T, IF YOU DO NOT WANT AN INVESTIGATION, YOU'LL SAY NAY.
UH, AND IF YOU WANT AN INVESTIGATION, YOU SAY YAY.
BUT, UH, WE'VE BEEN RECENTLY BEEN ADVISED TO, TO MAKE THE MOTIONS IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
UM, AND THEN THAT WAY IT'S CLEAR AND CONSISTENT AND THEN WE'LL VOTE WHETHER TO ACCEPT THAT MOTION.
EVEN THOUGH SHE DISAGREES WITH IT.
I CAN TELL ALREADY SHE'S GONNA AGAINST IT.
UH, COUNSEL, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? UM, AM I TO UNDERSTAND THAT ALL MOTIONS HAVE TO BE IN THE POSITIVE? WE CANNOT MAKE A MOTION THAT THEY DO NOTHING? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO TELL US? NO, SIR.
MY, MY POINT AND SEVERAL MEETINGS AGO WAS SIMPLY THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, STAFF WOULD LIKE SOME KIND OF CLARITY AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT THE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION TO BE CONDUCTED OR NOT.
SO IF A MOTION TO NOT CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION WAS PROPERLY MADE AND SECONDED AND APPROVED, THAT WOULD BE SOME KIND OF FINAL CLARITY THAT, SO THAT STAFF IS SO THAT IT'S CLEAR FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE WHAT THEY SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT BE DOING.
THAT'S THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU TOLD US LAST TIME.
I, I THOUGHT I MADE A CLEAR MOTION
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THAT I DID NOT WANT AN INVESTIGATION.HOW COULD YOU ACCUSED? THAT'S WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY.
AND I HEARD SOMEONE SAY THAT IT HAD TO BE IN THE POSITIVE.
SO YOU'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE IT IN THE NEGATIVE.
JUST SAY, UH, SO YOU'LL SAY, UH, YOU KNOW, I MOVE THAT WE DO NOT TAKE AN INTIMATE INVESTIGATION AND WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE IT SECONDED AND WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION AND WE'LL GO, GO ON.
DISTRICT FOUR, LAUREN GILBERT SMITH.
I MOVE THAT WE DO NOT CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION.
IS IT SECONDED? JENNY KING SECONDS.
IT, THERE'S BEEN A MOTION THAT'S BEEN SECONDED.
ANY DISCUSSION? MR. MAPLES HAD A QUESTION.
AND MY QUESTION IS, WHAT WAS JUST ASKING YOU A SECOND AGO? ARE YOU GONNA DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN THE PREVIOUS INVESTIGATION? BECAUSE IF NOT, THEN WE GOTTA ANSWER.
'CAUSE YOU'RE GOING, YOU'RE GOING.
SO WE KNOW THAT THERE WAS CURSING BACK AND FORTH.
AND WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE OTHER PART OF THE INVESTIGATION THAT YOU, THAT NO TRESPASSING, CRIMINAL TRESPASSING.
SO THAT INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN DONE AND WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO IT AGAIN.
AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.
WELL, I'LL PROBABLY DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
I'M NOT SURE IF THE RESULTS WILL BE ANY DIFFERENT.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
THEY, THEY DID NOT COME UP WITH A FINDING FOR THE TRESPASSING.
MAY I SPEAK, I'LL HAVE TIME FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT AT, AT THE END.
I WANNA SPEAK BEFORE YOU VOTE ON MY TAPE.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO DO THAT, BUT WE WILL LISTEN TO YOU AT THE END, UH, DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, WHERE WERE WE? WHO WAS, UH, WHO WAS SPEAKING? MR. MAPLES, ARE YOU STILL TALKING? YEAH, I, I GOT MY ANSWER.
THE, UH, WHAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT, I DID SEE THE VIDEO ONLINE, UM, AND IT APPEARS ON THE VIDEO THAT THE TRESPASSING, THE POLICE WERE VERY CLEARLY OUTSIDE OF THE FENCE OF THE HOUSE.
SO, UM, IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE IF THERE WAS AN INVESTIGATION TO CONDUCTED THAT, THAT WOULD, UM, THAT WE WOULD SEE ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE VIDEO HAS SHOWN.
'CAUSE HE'S VERY CLEARLY THERE'S A FENCE AND THE THE POLICE ARE OUTSIDE THE FENCE.
BUT, UH, I AM, I AM A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED PERSONALLY ABOUT WHEN A CLEAR VIOLATION, A POLICY WAS CLEARLY VIOLATED, WHY THE OFFICER WAS EXONERATED AND IT WASN'T SUSTAINED.
THAT'S WHAT'S MORE CONFUSING TO ME.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THIS INVESTIGATION WILL COME UP WITH THAT RESULT.
THAT'S THE ONLY, WHETHER THE COMPLAINT THAT'S FILED.
YEAH, WE KNOW THAT THERE WAS PROF PROFANE LANGUAGE.
BUT WHAT I'M CONFUSED ABOUT IS WHETHER, IF WE DO HAVE AN INVESTIGATION, WHETHER WE WILL UN UNDERSTAND WHY THE LIEUTENANT, UM, WAS EXONERATED.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT CONFUSES ME, IS IT SEEMS TO ME IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SUSTAINED THEN COUNSELING, THEN THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE JUST JUSTIFICATION ABOUT USING BETTER LANGUAGE AND THEN WE, WE MOVE ON.
BUT IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT WAS LIKE AN OFFICER HELPING ANOTHER OFFICER OUT, LIKE, HEY, MAN, DON'T DO IT AGAIN, KIND OF DEAL.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW RAMPANT THAT IS IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHETHER THIS INVESTIGATION IS GONNA UNCOVER THAT.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL.
THAT'S A DEEP, A DEEPER, MAYBE A DIFFERENT SCOPE.
BUT, UH, REGARDING THIS CASE, THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.
SO HE EXONERATED HIM, BUT HE STILL COUNSELED HIM ON A BETTER WAY TO HANDLE IT.
WHICH IS, I THINK THE COUNSELING IS GREAT, BUT HE CLEARLY BROKE THE LAW.
HE, HE CLEARLY BROKE THE POLICY AND SO JUST SUSTAIN, SUSTAIN IT.
AND THEN, UH, DO THE COUNSELING.
WHY IS HE EXONERATED? I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
SO, SO WHEN, SO WHEN THAT TAKES PLACE, IS THAT RECORDED IN HIS FILE? OR, OR IF, OR IF IT'S, IF IT, IF IT'S, WE JUST SAY, HEY MAN, DON'T DO THAT AGAIN, THEN IT'S JUST, JUST DON'T DO THAT AGAIN.
FOR IAD LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, THIS, UH, LIEUTENANT INSTEAD OF BEING EXONERATED WAS SUSTAINED.
WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN ON HIS PERMANENT RECORD FOREVER ON THIS, ON THIS PARTICULAR, OR ANY PARTICULAR INCIDENT IN WHICH AN ALLEGATION'S BROUGHT UP? SUCH AS THIS ONE? IF YOU GET A SUSTAINED, IT'LL BE ON HIS RECORD.
SO I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND LIKE IN A, IN A HEATED MOMENT, LIKE IF THERE'S CROSSFIRE ZERO JUDGMENT ON THE ENERGY AND STRESS OF USING LANGUAGE.
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SEEMED A LITTLE BIT OUT.THERE WASN'T A LOT OF STRESS HAPPENING.
AND, UH, I, I FEEL LIKE IT WAS UNCALLED FOR.
I FEEL LIKE IT WAS OVER THE LINE.
AND I FEEL LIKE IN THIS CASE, HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SUSTAINED.
BUT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO, AS A, AS A BOARD, WHETHER THAT INVESTIGATION WILL, WILL HAVE ANY WARRANT TO THAT DISCUSSION.
SO, CHAIR, MR. CHAIR, IT SAYS THE INVESTIGATION REVEALED THAT WHEN MR. THOMAS WAS YELLING PROFANITIES AT SERGEANT NCE TO GET OFF HIS PROPERTY.
SO I THINK IT, THERE IS SOME JUSTIFICATION FOR HIM TO RESPOND IN KIND.
I FEEL LIKE OFFICERS SHOULD, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A POLICY, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO NOT ESCALATE THE SITUATION, BUT THEY SHOULD BE ABOUT DEESCALATION.
WE CAN DISAGREE ON THAT CHAIR.
SO I THINK WE HAD THIS A SIMILAR CASE WHERE WE WANT TO KIND OF SEND SOMETHING TO THE DEPARTMENT FOR SOME ACTION TO TAKE PLACE.
AND I THINK THE PROCESS WAS WE HAVE TO INVESTIGATE TO TRIGGER THAT FOR US TO SEND A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR OFFICE.
OR, NOW MY THING IS, I THINK IT'S ALREADY BEEN CLEAR WHAT THE OUTCOME IS.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, YOU KNOW, MINIMIZES THE TIME THAT INVESTIGATOR HUFF HAS TO SPEND ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO VOTE FOR AN INVESTIGATION, SO THEN WE CAN COME AND RECEIVE THAT INFORMATION AND THEN SEND SOMETHING TO THE CHIEF REGARDING THE INCIDENT.
NOW THE OTHER WAY IS IF WE JUST, YOU KNOW, LET THIS GO, THEN WE CAN SEND A LETTER REGARDING A POLICY RECOMMENDATION OR POLICY ISSUED TO THE CHIEF, BUT THEN IT'S NOT LINKED TO THAT SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S BEFORE US.
AND IT UNFORTUNATELY, IT MAY REQUIRE AN INVESTIGATION JUST TO MAKE IT THROUGH OUR PROCESSES.
AND SO WE'LL TAKE THIS TO A VOTE.
AND AGAIN, WE MIGHT BE HAVE A SPLIT OPINION ON THIS, WHICH IS WHY, WHY WE MEET AND THAT'S WHY, UH, WE, WE TRUST IN THE COLLECTIVE.
UH, BUT, UM, A MOTION'S BEEN MADE NOT TO DO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN SECONDED.
UH, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE AND, UH, IF YOU VOTE YES, UH, FOR THIS, YOU ARE, UH, VOTING, UH, TO NOT HAVE A INVESTIGATIVE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
IF YOU VOTE NO, UM, IN THIS CASE, THEN, UM, WE, UH, I GUESS THIS IS WHY WE HAD IT IN THE POSITIVE, BUT I GUESS WE'LL, UH, WE WILL BE CONDUCTING THAT INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
UM, THIS IS WHY, THIS IS WHY AMEND, YEAH.
THIS IS WHY WE'RE MAKING THE POSITIVE.
'CAUSE I THINK, UH, UH, IT MAKES SENSE.
IF IT'S VOTED DOWN, UM, THEN, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETHING, SOMETHING TO DO.
UM, DO YOU WANT AMEND THE IN? OKAY.
SO WE'LL JUST, UH, VOTE IT AS IT IS.
SO WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL, VOTE.
ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE VOTE? TAKE IT TO A VOTE.
NO MEANS YES AND YES MEANS NO IN THIS CASE.
SO, UH, YES, NO INVESTIGATION, NO MEANS YES.
WHY, WHY? WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE THE MOTION IN THE FUTURE A LITTLE BIT CLEARER TO UNDERSTAND.
UM, EVERYBODY CLEAR ON THE, ON THE, WHAT WE'RE VOTING FOR? ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.
DISTRICT THREE? DISTRICT FOUR? YES.
THIS IS, YEAH, THIS IS NOT CONFUSING AT ALL, BUT I GET IT.
SO, NO, MY, MY, MY MOTION IS NO.
IT'S, UH, IT IS NOTED AS A NO.
DISTRICT EIGHT, DISTRICT EIGHT JUDGE LANDER? NO.
I DON'T WANT AN INVESTIGATION.
DISTRICT 11, MARY ELLEN SMITH, DISTRICT 11.
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14.DISTRICT 15 I VOTE NO, THE MOTION FAILS, WHICH MEANS THAT WE WILL HAVE AN INVESTIGATION, UM, ON THIS PARTICULAR, UH, CASE.
AND, UH, WE'LL BE ABLE TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND I THINK THAT WILL OPEN UP A CONVERSATION ON A, A, A WIDER POLICY ISSUE REGARDING DIVISION REFERRALS AND HOW DETERMINATIONS ARE MADE.
UH, WE'LL NOW MOVE TO, UH, THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, UH, WHICH IS MARGARET MARTINEZ.
ON SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2025, MARGARET MARTINEZ SUBMITTED A COMPLAINT TO THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, REGARDING THE HANDLING OF HER 15-YEAR-OLD SON'S MURDER INVESTIGATION.
SHE ALLEGED THAT OFFICERS DID NOT FOLLOW PROPER PROCEDURES FOR INTERVIEWING A MURDER SUSPECT.
AND THE IMPROPER INTERVIEW ALLOWED THE SUSPECT TO TAKE A PLEA BARGAIN AND BE SENTENCED TO ONLY 20 YEARS IN PRISON.
MS. MARTINEZ CLAIMED THAT THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY INFORMED THE COMPLAINANT THAT THE POLICE NEGLIGENCE HAD PREVENTED THE CASE FROM GOING TO TRIAL.
SO, TO EXPLAIN HOW THIS MURDER HAPPENED IS BACK IN DECEMBER 30TH, 2023, AND IT WAS A DOUBLE HOMICIDE.
UM, THE DRIVER WHO IS SUSPECT PEREZ, HE'S THE ONE WHO TOOK THE PLEA BARGAIN AND HIS FRIEND SUSPECT, ELIJAH MARTINEZ, NOT RELATED TO THE COMPLAINANT, WERE IN A VEHICLE.
THEY PICKED UP A THIRD PERSON VICTIM, ANGEL SOLI, AND HE'S THE 15-YEAR-OLD, UH, MURDER VICTIM.
MARTINEZ WAS SEATED IN THE FRONT PASSENGER SEAT, AND SOLI WAS SEATED IN THE BACKSEAT BEHIND THE DRIVER.
AND THE DRIVER, AGAIN, WAS SUSPECT PEREZ SOLI WAS PLANNING ON SELLING AN AR 15 TO MARTINEZ.
HOWEVER, MARTINEZ WAS PLANNING ON ROBBING SOLIS DURING THE TRANSACTION.
AN EX EXCHANGE OF GUNFIRE OCCURRED BETWEEN SOLIS AND MARTINEZ.
SO MARTINEZ IN THE FRONT SEAT, SOLIS IN THE BACK SEAT.
THEY EXCHANGED SOME GUNFIRE AND THEY BOTH END UP DYING.
THE DRIVER, UM, PEREZ WAS INITIALLY INTERVIEWED THAT NIGHT AS A WITNESS, AND HE STATED THAT MARTINEZ WAS GOING TO PURCHASE A GUN FROM SOLIS.
LATER THAT SAME NIGHT, PEREZ ADMITTED TO KNOWING THAT MARTINEZ WAS GOING TO ROB SOLIS.
THE POLICE REPORT INDICATED THAT ONCE PEREZ ADMITTED TO HIS INVOLVEMENT IN THE ROBBERY, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS WERE ASKED OF HIM SINCE HE HAD NOT BEEN MIRANDIZED PEREZ WENT HOME THAT NIGHT AND A WARRANT WAS OBTAINED FOR HIS ARREST.
AND THE ARREST OCCURRED ABOUT TWO WEEKS LATER.
THE COMPLAINT WENT TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
THEY DID THEIR PRELIMINARY REVIEW, AND THEY DETERMINED THAT THERE WAS NO VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENT POLICIES OR PROCEDURES AND NO INVESTIGATION WAS WARRANTED.
UM, OCPO, WE DID OUR PRELIMINARY REVIEW.
UM, IN HER REQUEST, MS. MARTINEZ WROTE THAT SHE WAS UNSATISFIED WITH THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION REVIEW.
SHE WAS REQUESTING A MORE THOROUGH INDEPENDENT REVIEW.
OUR PRELIMINARY REVIEW FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF A VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENTAL POLICIES OR PROCEDURES, AND WE CONCUR WITH THE IDS REVIEW.
UM, BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION, ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS CASE THAT WOULD HELP, UH, IN MAKING THE MOTION, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO, UM, ONE FRIEND WAS GIVEN ANOTHER FRIEND A RIDE TO PURCHASE A WEAPON, CORRECT? THE DRIVER WAS DRIVING THE ONE IN THE PASSENGER SEAT AND THE ONE IN THE BACKSEAT GOT IN A GUNFIGHT? YES.
AND THEN THE DRIVER INITIALLY SAID HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, AND THEN HE CHANGED HIS STORY AND HE TOOK A PLEA DEAL FOR 20 YEARS.
THAT'S YOUR FINDING, RIGHT? YES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, I THINK THIS IS INTERESTING.
I DON'T THINK THERE, THIS IS WORTH THE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, PER SE, BUT THIS IS A VERY INTERESTING CASE ABOUT WHEN TO, TO DO THE MIRANDA RIGHTS.
UM, AND I THINK IT'S JUST A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION, UH, BECAUSE I THINK AS KIND OF THE INVESTIGATOR SAID, UM, YOU HAVE THIS DRIVER WHO INITIALLY WAS BROUGHT IN AFTER A, A DOUBLE CRIME.
INITIALLY HE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT, THEN AT THE STATION SAYS THAT IT ACTUALLY WAS MEANT TO BE A, A ROBBERY.
AND AT THE THIS TIME, THE POLICE HAVE A CHOICE 'CAUSE HE'S JUST ADMITTED TO A
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CRIME.AND AT THAT MOMENT YOU HAVE TO READ THE MIRANDA RIGHTS.
UM, AND, UM, THEY, THEY LET HIM LEAVE AND THEN THEY GO THROUGH THE, THE PROPER PROCESS AND ARREST HIM.
AND THEN THAT PROCESS, NOW HE'S 20 YEARS IN PRISON.
I UNDERSTAND THE MOM OF THIS, THIS POOR VICTIM IS HEARTBROKEN AND 20 YEARS PROBABLY ISN'T SUFFICIENT FOR HER.
THAT'S KINDA WHY WE'RE RECEIVING THIS CASE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE MOM, BUT IN THIS CASE, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IN THAT, IN THAT ROOM WHEN THAT INFORMATION WAS REVEALED.
UM, I THINK THE, SHOULD HE HAVE LEFT THE STATION OR SHOULD HE BEEN RETAINED? UM, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE DEBATE IS.
AND, UH, IT SEEMS THE POLICE OFFICERS CHOSE TO READ THE RIGHTS AND THEN HAVE 'EM LEAVE AND THEN DO GO THROUGH THE PROPER ROSTER.
BUT I THINK THERE'S NO POLICY.
IT'S JUST A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.
ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S MY TAKE ON IT.
BUT JUDGE, WHAT DO YOU THINK? YOU, YOU TO THESE CASES MAY YEAH, I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW.
MAY I ASK A QUESTION OF IAD WHEN, IN A SITUATION SUCH AS THIS, WHEN THE, UM, INDIVIDUAL, UH, MAKES A REST, JUST A STATEMENT, UH, THAT IMPLICATES HIM, DOES, IS IT NOT, NOT THE, UH, POLICY OF THE POLICE TO MIRANDIZE HIM IMMEDIATELY ONCE THE WITNESS TURNS INTO A POTENTIAL SUSPECT, THE MIRANDA WARRANT SHOULD BE READ.
HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK THIS ONE CAPTURES EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED.
WHICH, WHICH TELLS ME, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT, UH, BECAUSE THAT TELLS ME THAT FURTHER INVESTIGATION IS NECESSARY.
UH, I WILL MOVE THAT, UM, THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT TO CONDUCT A FURTHER INVESTIGATION ON THIS MATTER.
THERE'S BEEN A MOTION, UH, TO CONDUCT AN IN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
IS IT SECONDED? I DEREK GRAM DISTRICT SIX SECOND THE MOTION.
UH, SO YOU, YOU FEEL LIKE, UH, THIS IS WORTHY OF INVESTIGATION? ABSOLUTELY.
IF, UM, AS SOON AS THAT INDIVIDUAL SAID, UH, SOMETHING THAT WAS, WOULD INCRIMINATE HIM, THEN IT BECOMES INCUMBENT UPON THE POLICE TO SAY, YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT, EVEN IF IT'S AFTER THE FACT.
YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT.
ANYTHING YOU SAY CAN BE USED AGAINST YOU.
AND THEN GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, TO SAY, UH, DON'T USE THAT AGAINST ME.
I'M, I DIDN'T MEAN TO SAY THAT OR SOMETHING, BUT THERE SHOULD BE A MIRANDA, UH, GIVEN IMMEDIATELY THEREAFTER.
I CAN'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I HAVE NOT SEEN THE FULL INVESTIGATION HOW THIS INDIVIDUAL WAS RELEASED TO GO HOME AFTER HAVING SAID, OH, BY THE WAY, I KNOW SOMETHING.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU KNOW, WHEN HE DID THE ADMISSION TO THE CRIME, THE POLICE, UM, STATE THAT THEY STOPPED ANY FURTHER QUESTIONING.
BUT DID THEY MIRANDIZE HIM AT THE TIME? NO, BECAUSE THEY DID NOT QUESTION HIM.
BUT THEY, THEY NEED TO MIRANDIZE HIM.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S ALMOST, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING IED ISN'T THAT THE PROCEDURE? JUDGE, AGAIN, AS AN INVESTIGATOR, AND I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR THE THINGS THAT I HAVE DONE MYSELF, SOMETIMES WITNESSES WILL SAY SOMETHING, BUT FURTHER DOWN WE FIND SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT THE MOMENT SOMEBODY INCRIMINATE THEMSELVES, WE STOP THE INVESTIGATION.
'CAUSE NOW THEY'RE NOT A WITNESS.
NOW THEY'RE A, THEY'RE A POTENTIAL SUSPECT.
DO YOU NOT TELL THEM YOU'RE NOW A POTENTIAL SUSPECT? YOU'RE NOT.
UNLESS I HAVE CONCRETE EVIDENCE THAT I'M GONNA BE CHARGING THAT INDIVIDUAL, THEN I, I READ THEM THE, OKAY.
WELL I THINK FURTHER INVESTIGATION IS NECESSARY.
UH, DISTRICT SIX, DERRICK GRAM.
AND I THINK THIS SPEAKS TO THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SOME PROTOCOLS, BASIC PROTOCOLS THAT ARE NOT BEING FOLLOWED ACROSS THE BOARD FROM TWO OR THREE SITUATIONS WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS EVENING.
IT'S BREAKING DOWN TO PROTOCOL AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE HOW THE, THE BOARD VOTES ON THIS.
UH, MY, MY HUNCH THOUGH, AND THIS IS JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION, UM, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A POLICY VIOLATION THERE OR IS THIS MORE, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT AN INVESTIGATION, WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS WE COULD GIVE TO THE DEPARTMENT.
'CAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE MORE OF A JUDGMENT CALL BASED ON HOW A POLICE CONDUCTS AN INVESTIGATION VERSUS A POLICY VIOLATION.
THAT, THAT'S WHERE MY CONFUSION IS.
AND, AND I DO, I DO BELIEVE THIS IS A VERY INTERESTING WHEN TO MIRAND.
WAS IT MIRANDIZE? WHEN TO MIRANDIZE AND NOT TO MIRANDIZE? THAT'S THE QUESTION.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THE OFFICER'S MADE A WRONG CALL ON THIS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A POLICY VIOLATION.
WELL, THAT'S, I'M, THAT'S WHY I'M WANTING TO INVESTIGATE IS TO EVEN FIND OUT IS THERE, AND WHY NOT? WAS IT FOLLOWED AND SO FORTH.
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FOR WHATEVER REASON HE DID, THEY DIDN'T, WHEN THEY, WHEN HE CRIMINALIZED HIMSELF, WHY DIDN'T THEY DO IT? IF THAT WAS PROTOCOL AND IF IT'S, IF IT WAS A MISTAKE, WELL, IS IT, IS IT POLICY THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU DO? LIKE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND QUITE FRANKLY, AS, UH, MR. PIGRAM INDICATED EARLIER, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE HAVE A PLETHORA OF POLICIES NOT BEING PAID ATTENTION TO.AND, UH, IF WE'RE GONNA BE HERE, THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, IS MAKING SURE THAT THE POLICIES, IF THEY ARE VALID, SHOULD BE ADHERED TO.
SO, UH, WHEN WE MAKE THIS VOTE, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE, UH, THOSE THAT VOTE IN AFFIRMATIVE, UH, YEAH, MR. BA, I, I I HAVE A QUESTION FOR IED.
UM, IF YOU'RE QUESTIONING A WITNESS, IT'S, MY, MY ASSUMPTION IS LOTS OF TIMES YOU WOULD NOT MIRANDIZE A WITNESS.
SO THAT, THAT SPEAKS TO THIS SITUATION.
I THINK THEY, THEY WERE TREATING HIM AS A WITNESS SO THEY DIDN'T MIRANDIZE HIM.
AND THEN AS SOON AS HE IMPLICATED HIMSELF IN A CRIME, THEN THAT'S WHY THEY SHUT THINGS DOWN.
WHICH AGAIN, SEEMS VERY LEGITIMATE TO SHUT IT DOWN AT THAT POINT.
AND THEN FOR THEM TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY BRING CHARGES AGAINST HIM AND THEN PROCEED FORWARD.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POLICY VIOLATIONS, HOW THIS IS A POLICY VIOLATION AT ALL.
WELL, UH, LET ME COMMENT TO THAT.
UM, IT'S, IT'S MY OPINION THAT IF IT ISN'T, IT SHOULD BE THE POLICY TO MIRANDIZE ANYBODY WHO'S A WITNESS TO THE, TO THE OFFENSE.
AND, UM, THAT WAY, THAT WAY YOU KNOW, THAT WHATEVER INFORMATION YOU GET HAS, IS A VALID INFORMATION AND CAN BE USED IN COURT TO NOT MIRANDIZE, JUST BECAUSE, WELL, I'M, I'M SAYING I'M A WITNESS AND I FIND OUT LATER ON THAT I'M NOT, AND I CAN COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, I WASN'T MIRANDIZED AND I NEED ANY PHOO.
UM, WHICH SHOULD BE, IT SHOULD BE THE POLICY OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO MIRANDIZE ANY WITNESS BEFORE THEY STARTED, UH, QUESTIONING, IN MY OPINION.
THE THING THOUGH IS THAT THIS CASE, HE DID GET IMPLICATED.
UM, SO I MEAN, DUE PROCESS DID TAKE, TAKE PLACE.
UH, AND I MEAN, HE'S NOT EVEN, HE WAS JUST THE, THE DRIVER OF A, HE'S JUST A CHAUFFEUR AND HE'S 20 YEARS.
AND I, I THINK THIS IS, AGAIN, MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE MOM.
BUT I DO FEEL, UH, AS WE'RE DISCUSSING KIND OF, UH, THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, A MOM THAT'S HEARTBROKEN, THAT WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SEEN LIFE OR, YOU KNOW, EVEN MORE WHO MIGHT BE DISAPPOINTED IN A 20 YEAR SENTENCE.
BUT WE'RE, THAT'S THE QUESTION.
IF WE DID INVESTIGATION, WHAT POLICIES DO WE HAVE TO WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT THE LAW OF PARTIES? YEAH.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE THERE AND YOU'RE A PART OF, YOU'RE A PARTY TO WHATEVER THE OFFENSE IS, YOU CAN BE CONVICTED JUST AS MUCH AS THE PERSON WHO PULLED THE TRIGGER.
SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY HE GOT A MURDER CASE.
BUT THAT WAS ALSO THE REASON, APPARENTLY THE REASON WHY IT WAS NOT TRIED ACCORDING TO THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE HERE, THAT IT WAS A PLEA BARGAIN WITHOUT A TRIAL.
BUT ANYWAY, REGARD, THIS IS GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE AN INTERESTING VOTE.
IT'S, I LOVE, IT'S GONNA BE A FASCINATING, IT'S GONNA BE A CLIFFHANGER.
IT'S GONNA BE A CLIFFHANGER TO SEE HOW WE VOTE ON THIS ONE.
IT'S GONNA BE A FASCINATING CASE.
UH, BUT THIS IS WHY WE HAVE A, THIS IS WHY WE, WE SURROUND OURSELVES WITH SMART PEOPLE AND, UH, THE MAJORITY WILL CARRY THIS.
AND, UH, LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING HOW WE ALL FEEL, UM, ON THIS.
BUT BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO A VOTE, ANY LAST COMMENTS OR, UH, ANY STATEMENTS? YEAH, YEAH.
ALRIGHT, SO JUST TO SET, SET THE RULES HERE.
UH, THERE'S BEEN A MOTION MADE TO CONDUCT AN IN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
I DO BELIEVE THAT IF WE DO AN, AN INVESTIGATION, SOME OF THE, THE TOPICS ABOUT WHEN TO MORAN MIRANDIZE, THAT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT WE TALK ABOUT.
UH, AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT, THAT, UM, UM, THOSE POLICIES, SO THOSE THAT VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, THOSE THAT VOTE IN THE NEGATIVE KNOW, UH, CASES, PARTICULAR CASE IN THIS CASE IS CLOSED.
UH, EVERYBODY CLEAR ON THAT? OKAY.
SO HE WAS BEING QUESTIONED AS A, AS A WITNESS.
AND WHILE HE WAS DOING THAT, HE SAID, YEAH, ACTUALLY I SET THE DUDE, I WAS SETTING THE DUDE UP AND, UH, HE COMMITTED TO THE CRIME.
AND THEN HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE READ THE MIRANDA, BUT HE WAS SITTING HOME.
IS THAT THE WAY I'M HEARING IT? IF I COULD CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT ON MIRANDA.
JUST SO THE BOARD KNOWS AND THE MAJOR YES.
THE CASE LAW FOR MIRANDA, IT'S A TWO-PRONG, UH, TEST.
IT PERSON HAS TO BE IN CUSTODY AND BEING INTERVIEWED FOR MIRANDA TO BE REQUIRED TO BE, UM, READ TO THE PERSON.
SO IF HE'S NOT IN CUSTODY OR IF HE'S NOT BEING INTERVIEWED, THE MIRANDA IS NOT NECESSARY.
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AS A WITNESS, HE WAS NOT IN CUSTODY.CORRECT? THAT'S CLARITY NEVERTHELESS.
UH, WE'RE GONNA TAKE IT TO A VOTE.
SHOULD WE START FROM ONE TO FIVE, 15 OR 15 TO ONE? WHAT DO YOU THINK? ANYBODY? WHAT DO YOU FEEL THAT, THAT, UH, DISTRICT ONE IS INFLUENCING THE FOLLOWING DISTRICTS?
WE'LL GO WITH WHAT WE ALWAYS DO.
UH, DISTRICT ONE, OZZIE SMITH.
UH, IF, IF, IF HE IS, UH, NOT HERE, DOES HIS VOTE COUNT? OKAY.
SO IF, IF, IF HE RETURNS, THE VOTE WOULD COUNT IN THE NEGATIVE OR POSITIVE AFFIRM IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
AFFIRMATIVE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
OKAY, SO I'LL PUT THAT AS A DASH.
AND I'M JUST DISTRICT 15, I SAY.
NO, THAT'S 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.
UH, IN THE NEGATIVE 1, 2, 3 POINT.
WELL, IT'D BE PARTICULARLY FOUR, UH, MOTION FAILS.
UH, SO THE OFFICE WILL NOT BE CONDUCTING AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
I THINK, AGAIN, THIS IS A, I WAS INTERESTED IN THIS ONE, BUT, UH, AGAIN, UH, BOARD VOTES NOT TO CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
UH, WE'VE MOVED, UH, THANK YOU INVESTIGATOR AND THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAJOR SALAS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
UH, WE'RE GONNA NOW, UH, WE HAVE HAD SOME INVESTIGATIONS THAT WE'VE AGREED WITH THE OFFICE AND WE SENT THE REPORT TO THE CHIEF, AND WE HAVE BEEN SO GRATEFUL TO RECEIVE A RESPONSE FROM THE CHIEF
UM, AND, UH, SO WE HAVE UPDATES ON THOSE.
HOW MANY DO WE HAVE? TWO OR THREE? UH, THREE.
ANYWAY, UH, THE CHAIR WILL NOW RECOGNIZE INVESTIGATOR HUFF AND SIERRA OB AND, UH, YOU CAN, UH, WALK US THROUGH THE UPDATE ON THE CPOB APPROVED INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION FINDINGS.
SO THE FIRST RESPONSE CAME ON INVESTIGATION NI 2024 DASH 1209.
I ASSUME YOU GUYS PROBABLY DON'T REMEMBER THAT EXACT CASE NUMBER, WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT, BUT THAT WAS THE, UM, THE COMPLAINT REFERENCED THE TRAFFIC COLLISION WHERE THE COMPLAINANT SAID HE TOLD THE OFFICERS, IS THAT THIS MR. ZAKO? IS IT THE ZAKO CASE? NO.
NO, THIS IS THE TRAFFIC COLLISION.
THE COMPLAINANT TOLD THE OFFICERS AT THE SCENE THAT, UM, THE DRIVER WASN'T THE DRIVER, SO IT WAS, IT WAS A DRIVER SWITCH AND THE OFFICERS IGNORED IT AND, AND CONTINUED ON WITH THEIR INVESTIGATION.
UM, SO WE CLASSIFY THAT AS A FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND SENT THAT TO THE CHIEF.
HIS RESPONSE WAS, UM, THE OFFICERS INTERVIEWED THE INVOLVED PARTIES AND DETERMINED THAT THE LISTED DRIVER ON THE ACCIDENT REPORT WAS THE OPERATOR OF THE VEHICLE.
BASED ON THE OFFICER'S FIELD INVESTIGATION.
THE OFFICERS COMPLETED THE ACCIDENT REPORT, ISSUED CITATIONS, AND TOWED THE DRIVER'S VEHICLE FOR NO INSURANCE.
NO FURTHER ACTUAL BE TAKEN REGARDING THIS COMPLAINT.
UH, BUT HE DID NOTE THAT A COPY OF THIS RESPONSE AND THE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE CHAIN OF COMMAND OF THE INVOLVED OFFICERS.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? THANK YOU.
UH, NEXT, THE NEXT ONE INVOLVED, UM, TIFFANY ZA HARKO GUANAJUATO.
THAT WAS THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CASE WHERE SHE WAS ARRESTED FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, BUT COMPLAINED THAT THE POLICE DID NOT, UM, CONTACT HER.
ASK HER WHAT HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, TAKE HER
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SIDE OF THE STORY AT ALL.UM, SO THAT WAS SENT TO THE CHIEF AND HE RESPONDED BY SAYING, I FOUND THAT WITH USING THE TOTALITY OF THE INFORMATION GATHERED, THE OFFICERS HANDLED THE CALL AND ARREST APPROPRIATELY REGARDING THE POSSIBILITY OF THE INJURY TO MRS. ZARKO GUANAJUATO, IN WHICH HE, UM, LET'S SEE HOW IT'S WORDED HERE.
INJURY TO MRS. ZARKO GUANAJUATO STATED TO OFFICERS FROM A MEMBER OF THE NURSING STAFF.
AS YOU RECALL, THE NURSING STAFF REPORTED TO OFFICERS AT THE HOSPITAL THAT SHE WAS INJURED.
UM, ALTHOUGH NO ASSAULTIVE TYPE INJURIES WERE VISIBLE ON BODY-WORN CAMERA, AND THERE WAS NO MENTION OF BEING INJURED, ASSAULTED BY MRS. ZAHAR, GUANAJUATO TAKING PHOTOS OF THE POSSIBLE INJURIES WOULD HAVE ENHANCED THE OFFICER'S REPORTS.
HOWEVER, NO FURTHER ACTION WILL BE TAKEN REGARDING THIS COMPLAINT.
AND AGAIN, THIS RESPONSE AND INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE CHAIN OF COMMAND OF THE INVOLVED OFFICERS.
SO, I GUESS, UH, IN THIS CASE, UH, THE CHIEF IS INDICATING THAT IN THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN PHOTOS TAKEN IN THIS, IT WOULD'VE BEEN BEST PRACTICE TO TAKE PHOTOS, UM, OF INJURIES TO ENHANCE THE REPORTS.
AND HE SENT THIS OUT TO HIS CHAIN OF COMMAND, IS THAT RIGHT? YES.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? THANK YOU, INVESTIGATOR.
WHAT'S NEXT? UM, SIERRA OBASI, OPO, POLICY ANALYST.
UH, THE GUILT OR INNOCENCE POLICY RECOMMENDATION THAT ACCOMPANIES THIS INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION WE SENT BACK IN OCTOBER.
UH, WE RECOMMENDED CLARIFYING LANGUAGE TO THE GIL OR INNOCENCE POLICY.
AFTER MEETING WITH OCPO, UH, OPO AND IAD STAFF, UH, WE REACHED THE CONSENSUS THAT INSTEAD OF CHANGING THE POLICY, THE OFFICE AND INTERNAL AFFAIRS WILL CONTINUE TO WORK TOGETHER TO ENSURE THE POLICY IS APPLIED FAIRLY AND CORRECTLY THROUGHOUT THE COMPLAINT REVIEW PROCESS.
SO, UH, JUST TO SUMMARIZE, HE'S NOT, THERE'S NO CHANGES THAT ARE BEING MADE TO ANY POLICY, BUT HE, UH, IS SAYING THAT THEY'RE GONNA TAKE CARE IN HOW IT'S INTERPRETED, HOW IT'S APPLIED, CORRECT.
AND DID HE GIVE ANY INDICATIONS ON STEPS TO ENSURE THAT IN THE LETTER? UH, I COULDN'T FIND IT IN HERE.
NO, BOTH, UM, OCPO AND INTERNAL AFFAIRS GONNA BE WORKING TOGETHER.
UM, BECAUSE WE DO THE CASE BRIEFING, SO WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO OKAY.
ASSIST WITH INTERPRETATION OF THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? MR. CHAIRMAN? YES.
MR. FRIEDMAN? IS THAT, IS THAT, WAS THAT ALL OF 'EM? I'VE GOT A QUESTION AT THE END.
UM, EVERY, EVERYTHING THERE, ALL THE RESPONSES FROM THE POLICE CHIEF, EVERYTHING'S VERY BUREAUCRATIC.
IT'S BEEN CLEARLY VETTED BY COUNSEL, UH, MY, I CAN'T REALLY INTERPRET IT VERY WELL.
SO MY QUESTION IS TO DIRECTOR ANDRE, ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THOSE RESPONSES FROM THE POLICE CHIEF, OR ARE YOU NOT SATISFIED? UM, I'M SATISFIED.
UM,
AND I THINK THE FACT THAT HE'S SENDING THAT INFORMATION DOWN TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE CONSISTENT WITH IT.
I, I THINK IT'S A GOOD START FOR ME FROM WHERE THE BOARD HAS PREVIOUSLY COME FROM, FROM NOT HAVING ANY TYPE OF RESPONSE AT ALL AND REALLY NOT WORKING.
IF YOU'RE NOT SATISFIED EVER, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, FOR THAT, THOSE REPORTS.
UH, WE'LL NOW MOVE ON, UH, TO MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORTS.
UH, WE HAVE IN OUR PACKET THE NOVEMBER DPT MONTHLY ARREST BY COUNCIL DISTRICT REPORTS, UM, SEVERAL OTHER REPORTS THAT ARE IN THE PACKET.
UM, IF YOU COULD ALSO, THERE'S THE, UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS NOVEMBER, EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINT REPORTS.
TAKE A FEW, UH, MOMENTS RIGHT NOW BOARD AND, UM, I KNOW YOU'VE ALREADY STUDIED THESE PACKETS WAY AHEAD OF TIME, BUT, UM, IF YOU WANT TO GO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE AND, UH, WE'LL ENTERTAIN ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, UM, FROM THE BOARD.
MR. MAPLES? OH, SORRY, I SAW YOU, THAT MIC.
SO I GUESS I'LL ASK THE QUESTION.
SO WE WILL BE ABLE TO, UM, THOSE REPORTS, THAT RECOMMENDATIONS WE MADE EARLIER, WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UM, GET THOSE REPORTS AS A PART OF THIS ALSO.
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UH, YOU WANT AND ARE YOU REFERRING TO, UM, THE, UM, THE REPORTS ARE REQUESTED EARLIER? YEAH.BY THE, BY THE SPEAKERS? YEAH.
ABOUT THE COLLABORATION WITH ICE AND, UM, THAT IS, UH, I GUESS WE HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH, TALK TO, TO THE DEPARTMENT ABOUT WHAT WE CAN PROVIDE, LIKE WHAT, WHAT'S AVAILABLE OUT THERE.
BUT I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING.
UH, BUT I GUESS WHAT, WHAT CAN WE DO WHEN IT COMES TO THE REPORTS THAT WERE REQUESTED? IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN PUT IN THESE TO, YOU KNOW, UM, I BELIEVE THAT IN SPEAKING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, CITY ATTORNEY, UM, WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT, UM, BRANDON FREEMAN WOULD HAVE TO GET TWO ADDITIONAL, UM, BOARD MEMBERS, UM, TO SEND YOU, TO CONVINCE YOU TO PUT THAT AS AN AGENDA ITEM, UM, FOR US TO DISCUSS AND VOTE ON.
AS FAR AS AT THE NEXT, AT THE NEXT MEETING, YES, NEXT MEETING.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THE INFORMATION ABOUT, UH, OH, YEP.
MR. CHAIR, BOARD MEMBERS, I'D JUST LIKE TO AMEND ONE THING.
IT'S ONCE, THERE ARE THREE BOARD MEMBERS WHO SIGN THE MEMO.
THE CHAIR DOESN'T GET TO DECIDE.
THE CHAIR SHALL PUT THAT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
JUST, I KNOW YOU SAID CONVINCE THE CHAIR.
IF THE CHAIR DECIDES TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, HE CAN DO IT.
HE CAN DO IT OF HIS OWN ACCORD ANYWAY WITHOUT THE MEMO, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
UM, AND THEN ALSO, AS FAR AS THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE FLOCK AND LOCATION, I BELIEVE THAT INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED BY THE EXECUTIVE CHIEF.
UM, I THINK THE MEETING BEFORE IN NOVEMBER, SHE PROVIDED THE LOCATIONS AND HOW MANY OF THOSE CAMERAS? IT'S IN THE MEETING MINUTES.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SHARE SEPARATELY, UM, SO THAT THE BOARD HAVE THAT INFORMATION, BUT THAT INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED PREVIOUSLY.
SEE, THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS.
UH, WE'LL, WE WILL NOW MOVE TO, UH, THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT REPORT WITH SENIOR OUTREACH SPECIALIST AHMA PEREZ.
MS. PEREZ HAS BEEN OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.
IF YOU SEE THE INSTAGRAM, FACEBOOK, A LOT GOING ON.
UH, I'D LOVE TO HEAR, UM, WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING OUT, UM, IN THE COMMUNITY.
THE FLOOR IS YOURS, ALMA PEREZ, SENIOR OUTREACH SPECIALIST.
GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS, AND ALL IN ATTENDANCE.
UM, THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF, UM, WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AND LOOKING AHEAD TO WHAT'S COMING UP.
UM, DURING NOVEMBER, THE OCPO CONTINUED ITS COMMITMENT TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND TRANSPARENCY BY PARTICIPATING IN SEVERAL KEY OUTREACH INITIATIVES ACROSS DALLAS.
THESE EVENTS PROVIDED OPPORTUNITIES TO SHARE INFORMATION ABOUT O CPO'S MISSION, STRENGTHEN RELATIONSHIPS WITH VARIED AUDIENCES, AND COLLABORATE WITH CITY LEADERSHIP, UM, OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES.
UM, I ACTUALLY CONDUCTED A PRESENTATION, UM, TO THE OLDER ADULT PROGRAM AT, UH, WESLEY RANKIN, WHICH IS IN DISTRICT SIX.
UM, ON NOVEMBER 4TH, UH, HIGHLIGHTS, I DELIVERED AN OVERVIEW OF O CPO'S ROLE AND SERVICES TO OLDER, UH, ADULT PARTICIPANTS FOCUSING ON ACCESSIBILITY OF COMPLAINT AND COMMENDATION PROCESSES.
UM, IT WAS A GROUP ABOUT 45, UM, OLDER ADULTS THAT LIVE IN THE WEST DALLAS AREA, AND THEY WERE VERY APPRECIATIVE.
UM, ALSO PARTICIPATED IN DALLAS MUNICIPAL COURT WEEK ON WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 5TH, WHICH, UM, WAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH COURT STAFF, ATTENDEES AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ON OCPO RESOURCES AND STRENGTHEN AWARENESS OF OVERSIGHT FUNCTIONS.
UM, WE ATTENDED A COALITION MEETING WITH DPD, CHIEF CUOMO AND MAYOR PRO TEM JESSE MORENO IN DISTRICT TWO ON NOVEMBER 18TH.
UM, THE HIGHLIGHTS PARTICIPATED IN A COALITION MEETING TO DISCUSS COLLABORATIVE STRATEGIES FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, COMMUNITY TRUST AND OVERSIGHT PRIORITIES.
I ALSO ATTENDED IN LAS LATINO 2025 A GATHERING TO EMPOWER THE LATINO COMMUNITY ON NOVEMBER 20TH.
THAT WAS AT THE, UM, MEXICAN CONSULATE IN DALLAS.
UM, WE JOINED LATINO COMMUNITY LEADERS AND ORGANIZATIONS TO SHARE OCPO RESOURCES, PROMOTE ENGAGEMENT AND HIGHLIGHT PATHWAYS FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO VOICE CONCERNS AND ALSO COMMENDATIONS, UH, SOME KEY TAKEAWAYS.
UH, STRENGTHEN COMMUNITY TRUST THROUGH DIRECT ENGAGEMENT WITH VARIED AUDIENCES.
INCREASED AWARENESS OF OCPO SERVICES, INCLUDING COMPLAINT AND COMMENDATION PROCESSES, ADVANCED COLLABORATION WITH CITY LEADERSHIP AND COMMUNITY COALITIONS TO ADDRESS PUBLIC SAFETY AND OVERSIGHT PRIORITIES.
REINFORCED O CPO'S ROLE IN EMPOWERING COMMUNITIES AND ENSURING TRANSPARENT
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TRANSPARENCY IN POLICING PRACTICES.LOOKING AHEAD, UM, DECEMBER EVENTS ARE IN THE AGENDA.
UM, BUT I DID WANNA HIGHLIGHT ONE EVENT THAT'S COMING UP ON TUESDAY, DECEMBER 16TH.
THE OCPO WILL HOST SENIOR COMMUNITY WELLNESS DAY AT WESLEY RANKIN IN WEST DALLAS, DISTRICT SIX.
THE PURPOSE IS TO BRING TOGETHER COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO SUPPORT THE HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF SENIOR RESIDENTS.
UM, SO WE ARE PARTNERING WITH THE DALLAS COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE FREE FLU AND COVID VACCINES.
UM, ALSO WITH BAYLOR SCOTT AND WHITE, WHICH WILL OFFER KIDNEY SCREENINGS.
REPRESENTATIVES FROM DALLAS 3 1 1 AND SENIOR SERVICES WILL SHARE RESOURCES.
THE OCPO TEAM WILL PARTICIPATE TO CONNECT WITH SENIORS AND PROVIDE HELPFUL INFORMATION ABOUT OUR OFFICE.
AND THIS IS OPEN TO ALL SENIOR CITIZENS, NOT JUST, UM, DISTRICT SIX.
UM, LASTLY, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO CONGRATULATE OUR INVESTIGATOR GREG HUFF, ON HIS ONE YEAR WORK ANNIVERSARY TODAY.
AND I DID JUST HEAR THAT YOUR BIRTHDAY WAS LAST WEEK TOO.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, MS. PEREZ? I, WELL DONE.
AND THAT'S FROM THE I'LL, THAT'LL FROM THE COMMUNITY CHAIR OF THE, YEAH, I GAVE ALL THE PROPS TO THE DIRECTOR EARLIER, BUT YOU HAVE A FINE TEAM DIRECTOR.
WE'LL, UH, NOW MOVE ON TO, UH, AGENDA ITEM 11, WHICH INCLUDES THE CHAIRMAN'S REPORT.
UH, JUST I WANTED A, A BRIEF, UH, MESSAGE FROM THE STAFF.
UM, I KNOW THAT WHEN WE HAVE PRESENTATIONS THAT COME IN, UH, SOMETIMES THEY'LL SEND OUT EMAILS ASKING FOR QUESTIONS AHEAD OF TIME.
AND I KNOW SOME OF YOU DO A REAL GOOD JOB OF THAT.
MR. FRIEDMAN DOES A REAL GOOD JOB SENDING THOSE QUESTIONS IN AMONG SOME OF YOU OTHERS.
BUT, UH, JUST A GENTLE REMINDER THAT IT REALLY HELPS US GET THE DATA THAT WE WANT TO HAVE, UH, THEM PREPARED, YOU KNOW, ON SOME OF THE THINGS WE REALLY WANNA ASK.
UM, AND SO JUST REMIND THOSE EMAILS AND IF YOU CAN, UH, UH, FEEL FREE TO RESPOND, UM, WITH QUESTIONS IN THE EVENT THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER PRESENTATION.
OTHER THAN THAT, JUST WANNA STAY GRATEFUL FOR THIS TEAM.
UM, HOPE YOU HAVE A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND, UM, I THINK 2026 IS GONNA BE A GREAT YEAR.
UM, AND I THINK THERE'S A FEW VACANCIES THAT I THINK ARE IN, IN THE WORKS OF FILLING, UH, GREAT TO SEE DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH BACK.
AND, UM, ANYWAY, I THINK, UH, 2026, UH, THERE'S SOME GREAT MOMENTUM INTO THIS YEAR, MR. CHAIR.
UM, HOW IN, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT SOMETHING IS PLACED ON THE AGENDA, SPECIFICALLY THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM? THREE FRIENDS, I'M SORRY.
WELL, YOU CAN TALK TO ME ABOUT IT, UH, BUT ALSO, WHICH BRING THREE, WE'LL BE ON THE SAME PAGE, BRING THREE FRIENDS ALONG.
BUT YOU CAN ALSO INVITE THREE FRIENDS, WRITE A MEMO, AND, UH, I JUST LEARNED THAT TODAY.
BUT, UM, YEAH, I MEAN, WE CAN TALK ALSO.
IT'S, I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE, BUT, ALRIGHT.
I, I HAVE, YES, MR. MAPLES, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WANNA, I WANT TO THANK DPD, UM, UM, FOR BEING HERE.
AND I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS TO EVER THINK THAT, UH, WE'RE GOING AFTER YOU WITH THE QUESTIONS WE ASK.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIND THE BEST SOLUTION.
THAT'S ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO BECAUSE WE SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY AND WE JUST WANT TO HELP MAKE DALLAS AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE FOR EVERYBODY.
SO MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU GUYS AS WELL.
NEXT MEETING WILL BE THIS JANUARY 13TH, 2026, JANUARY 13TH, AND IT'LL BE, I BELIEVE IN THIS ROOM RIGHT HERE.
UM, WE HAVE A SPACE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYBODY ELSE? UH, YES, WE HAVE A YOUNG MAN HERE.
COME ON DOWN TO THE MICROPHONE.
UH, I'D LOVE IT IF, UH, WHEN YOU GET DOWN HERE, JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND, UH, WE'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES ON THE SCREEN.
WE JUST ASK YOU RESPECT THAT, THAT THREE MINUTES.
BUT, UH, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR NAME, SIR? MY NAME'S WESLEY THOMAS.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME APOLOGIZE FOR MY OUTBURST.
UH, SECOND OF ALL, I TRIED TO GET MY NAME ON THE LIST SO THAT I COULD SPEAK AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, BUT I WAS UNABLE TO.
I SIMPLY WANT TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE YOU FOR GOING, FOR OVERSEEING THIS INTERNAL INVESTIGATION, ONLY BECAUSE INTERNAL AFFAIRS ATTEMPTED TO KEEP THIS INVESTIGATION FROM YOU.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I HAD TO SUBMIT THAT TO YOU PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
HAD I KNOWN I WOULD'VE SUBMITTED IT SO YOU GUYS WOULD'VE
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BEEN ABLE TO SEE THAT INTERNAL AFFAIRS DID NOT WANT, WANT YOU TO SEE THIS.THE ONLY THING I WANNA LEAVE YOU WITH IS THE FACT THAT I FILED MY COMPLAINT JULY THE 15TH.
INTERNAL AFFAIRS GAVE A FINAL FINDING, OCTOBER THE SECOND.
HOW IS IT THAT IF THAT FINDING CAME OCTOBER THE SECOND? AM I ABLE TO SEE IT IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY? IT'S BECAUSE ATTORNEY AFFAIRS SENT MY FINAL FINDINGS TO A FAKE EMAIL AND THEN REFUSED TO GIVE IT TO ME ON JULY THE 14TH.
AND I FORCED A SERGEANT TO SIGN IT ON JULY.
I MEAN, ON NOVEMBER THE 14TH, I FORCED A SERGEANT TO SIGN THE LETTER OF THE FINAL FINDING IN ORDER FOR ME TO GET YOU GUYS TO SEE THIS TODAY.
AND ALL, I, THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY.
AND, UH, YEAH, WE DID VOTE TO HAVE THE OFFICE DO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
SO I THINK, UH, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO LEARNING MORE ABOUT YOUR CASE SPECIFICALLY.
BUT THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND FOR SHARING THAT INFORMATION.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ONLINE WHILE DEAR PUBLIC COMMENT, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING? OH, OH, SORRY.
DID YOU HAVE A A COME? YEAH, YEAH.
COME ON DOWN TO THE MICROPHONE.
SORRY I DIDN'T SEE YOU THERE EARLIER.
AND WE HAVE THAT TIMER, BALDER.
OH, UH, JOHN PUTNAM FROM DISTRICT 10.
I KNOW I TALKED EARLIER, BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANNA RESPOND, UH, TO WHAT I HEARD.
UM, SO, AND I DON'T LIKE, DON'T MEAN TO BE A JERK OR ANYTHING, BUT I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH THAT FOX PRESENTATION.
I DIDN'T LEAVE MORE COMFORTED.
THE OFFICER SAID THAT THEY'RE NOT COLLECTING THINGS LIKE FACIAL FACES WITH FLOCK OR LIKE NAMES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT THEY COLLECT YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE, WHICH IS YOUR REGISTERED WITH YOUR NAME AND OTHER IDENTIFYING INFORMATION.
UM, SO THEN HE SAID THAT THEY DON'T, UH, SHARE THAT WITH JUST ANY OLD GROUP, BUT THEY DO SHARE THAT WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY, A STATE AGENCY, AND THE FBI, WHICH IS, UH, PART OF THE, OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT WORKS WITH ICE.
SO ICE CANNOT ASK FOR INFORMATION FROM FLOCK CAMERAS FROM DALLAS.
BUT THE FBI WORKING WITH ICE CAN CORRECT.
DID HE SAY THAT HE, THEY GIVE IT TO THE FBI? NO, I BELIEVE, UH, WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT THE NCIS HOT LIST, I BEL I WROTE DOWN FBI AND TEXAS DPS, BUT I COULD BE WRONG.
OKAY, WE'LL, YEAH, WE'LL GO BACK.
BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
WE'LL GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT THEN.
IT MIGHT MIGHT'VE BEEN, UH, IF I'M WRONG, UM, BUT I THINK THERE WAS ANOTHER COUNCIL OR ANOTHER PERSON THAT BROUGHT UP A SITUATION WHERE, UH, ICE COULD GET THAT DATA THROUGH ANOTHER ORGANIZATION.
SO WE LEAVE HERE TODAY, WE'RE DRIVING HOME, THE FLOCK CAMERA GETS TIMESTAMPS US WITH OUR LICENSE PLATE.
WE GO DOWN A FEW MORE BLOCKS, YOU KNOW, GETS OUR LICENSE PLATE AGAIN, TIMESTAMPS IT, WE GO ON THE HIGHWAY, WE GO DOWN, YOU KNOW, GET OFF.
RIGHT? HOW IS THAT NOT TRACKING AND SURVEILLANCE? AND IF IT'S IN THIS NCIS HOT LIST FOR, I BELIEVE IT WAS 365 DAYS, THAT'S ACCESS FROM PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE CITY OF DALLAS OR EVEN INSIDE THE CITY OF DALLAS POLICE.
ARE THEY ABLE TO THEN TRACK THOSE WHEREABOUTS OF DALLAS RESIDENTS WITHOUT A JUDICIAL WARRANT FOR UP TO A YEAR? UM, THAT SEEMS REALLY CONCERNING, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE AN ADMINISTRATION WHO SAID THAT, UM, THEY WOULD LIKE TO GO AFTER DISSENTERS.
AND EVEN CALLING GROUPS THAT DO NOT POLITICALLY ALIGN WITH THEM, TALKING ABOUT THE PRESIDENTIAL ADMINISTRATION, UM, CONSIDERING THEM TERRORISTS, ORGANIZATIONS AFTER THE CHARLIE, KIRK, KIRK SHOOTING TRUMP SAID THAT HE WOULD CONSIDER GROUPS OF NOT AGREE WITH HIM, TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS.
UM, IF I'M WANTING TO GO TO A PROTEST LIKE A NO KINGS PROTEST AND USE MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS, AND THOSE CAMERAS ARE TRACKING ME TO THAT PROTEST AND BACK, OR IF I'M WANTING TO GO TO THE COURTHOUSE DOWNTOWN, THE FEDERAL COURTHOUSE TO OBSERVE IMMIGRATION HEARINGS, WHICH YOU CAN DO, UM, AS A CITIZEN AND JUST HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR, UM, ICE AND FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, RIGHT.
AND THOSE THINGS ARE ALL BEING TRACKED.
IT, I DID NOT HEAR A GUARANTEE FROM THAT REPORT THAT MY INFORMATION CANNOT BE, THAT THAT TRACKING CANNOT GO BACK TO ICE OR OTHER FEDERAL AGENCIES.
UM, I FIND THAT DEEPLY CONCERNING.
THAT'S NOT COMMUNITY POLICING, THAT'S A, THAT'S A POLICE STATE.
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NOT SOMETHING I WANNA BE A PART OF.YOU'RE, YOU'RE BRING UP SOME REALLY GOOD POINTS.
UM, AND I THINK THIS CONVERSATION'S NOT OVER.
SO, UM, YEAH, WE'LL DEFINITELY BE TALKING ABOUT THIS AND I HOPE YOU COME BACK TO OUR MEETINGS AND, UH, SPEAK MORE ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I THINK YOUR, YOUR POINTS ARE VERY VALID.
SO, UH, JUST IN CASE YOU DIDN'T HEAR FOR THE OFFICE, IF THERE'S A TRAINING IN JANUARY FOR THE BOARD, JUST A REQUEST TO, UH, KIND OF GET THAT OUT THERE EARLY SO THAT WE CAN A COORDINATE OUR SCHEDULES A TRAINING, IF THERE IS A TRAINING IN JANUARY.
UH, HAVE WE DECIDED WHEN THE RETREAT IS? YEAH, I THINK WE WERE WAITING FOR THE LAST TWO MEMBERS FOR APPOINTMENTS.
SO IT MIGHT NOT BE IN JANUARY.
AND I BELIEVE THAT, UH, MR. MAPLES HAD RECOMMENDED THAT WE DO IT SPRING, MAYBE.
I THINK
YEAH, I MEAN, WELL, THE THING IS THAT FOR JANUARY OR DECEMBER, THE GOOD THING IS THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT REALLY DOING THINGS RIGHT.
SO IN THE SPRING I WOULD ASSUME WE HAVE MORE OUTREACH, WE HAVE MORE ACTIVITIES YOU WOULD RATHER BE OUTSIDE AS OPPOSED TO IN THE TRAINING.
SO THAT'S WHY WE USUALLY DO IT IN THE FALL, WINTER.
YEAH, WE'LL WAIT TILL THE LAST TWO, UH, ARE FILLED.
I THINK THAT'LL ALSO HELP US WITH OUR SUBCOMMITTEES ONCE THAT'S, WE'LL BE ABLE TO FILL THOSE.
AND SO WHAT, WHAT, UH, SEATS WAITING ON, UH, WE'RE WAITING ON YOUR CHAIR.
I MEAN, I, I I HAVE TO FILL UP THAT APPLICATION.
I, I, I DIDN'T REALIZE I NEEDED TO DO THAT AGAIN.
SHE'S GONNA BE A HOLDOVER FOR NINE MONTHS.
LAUREN GIL SMITH, A HOLDOVER FOR NINE MONTHS.
IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT.
UH, BUT EVENTUALLY WE'LL NEED ANOTHER APPOINT APPOINTEE FOR DISTRICT FOUR, UM, MAYBE 12.
SO, UH, ONCE AND BAZ IS SEVEN.
UH, SO YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON, I KNOW THAT WAL DEER IS WORKING TIRELESSLY TO TRY TO GET THAT ALL LINED OUT AND, UM, BUT WE'LL, UH, ONCE THAT IS ALL DONE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RETREAT SOMETIME IN THE SPRING AND UH, WE'LL GIVE IT ENOUGH ADVANCED NOTICE FOR EVERYONE TO BE, TO COORDINATE THEIR CALENDARS, UH, FOR THAT.
WELL, I THINK THE GOAL IS, UM, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE NEW MEMBERS ARE KIND OF HAVING AN OVERVIEW OF THE WHOLE PROCESS.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE WORKING WITH IED TO KIND OF PARTNER IN SOME DISCUSSION.
AND AS FAR AS TRAINING, I KNOW THAT SIERRA'S, UM, WORKING TO TRY TO GET AXON TO COME HERE.
UM, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ACT ON RIGHT.
SO WE'RE, UM, WORKING WITH THAT AS FAR AS A PRESENTATION AND A MEETING AND DEMONSTRATION OF THE, THE PRODUCTS.
SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT AS WELL.
THE ONLY PROBLEM IS, WHOA,
SO IT HAS TO BE PUBLICLY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION.
IT'S GONNA BE A PUBLIC MEETING.
WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE TEXAS MEDIA FRONT, STILL ON THE SAME GROUND.
WE JUST HAVE TO GIVE NOTICE, UH, OUT TO THE PUBLIC, SEVEN, TWO HOURS.
AND WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER WE WANNA HAVE A VIRTUAL OPTION.
AND IF WE DO, THEN THERE NEEDS TO BE INTERNET.
UH, IT NEEDS TO BE TECHNOLOGY AND BUILD JUST TO VIDEO STREAM.
BUT WE'LL LET THE TRAINING COMMITTEE DO THAT.
UH, WE'LL PUT THAT ON THEIR PLATES TO KINDA THINK THROUGH THAT.
UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? WE, I DISTRICT, UH, 13.
THERE'S BEEN A MOTION IS A SECONDED.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEE, THERE'S NONE.