[Permit and License Appeal Board Special Called Meeting on January 8, 2025.]
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I WANT TO CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PERMANENT AND LICENSING APPEAL BOARD TO ORDER.
UM, TODAY IS THURSDAY, JANUARY 8TH, 2026 AT 9:02 AM UH, LET'S DO OUR ROLL CALL.
MS. AYALA NOT, UH, MS. THOMAS, UH, MR. JEFFERSON, DR. JACKSON, MR. ILLA, MR. JEFFS, MR. QUINT, MS. SHIN, AND MR. GONZALEZ MAY JOIN US LATER.
UM, WE, WE HAVE A COURT, SO ABSENT CURRENTLY ON MS. AYALA, MS. GONZALEZ AND I, MS. THOMAS, IF YOU'RE THERE, I DON'T SEE YOU.
SO FOR NOW, WE'LL SAY MS. THOMAS.
UM, ALSO PRESENT ARE THE BOARD'S GENERAL COUNSEL, TERESA CARLISLE, AND FROM THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE, DONNA BROWN, NANCY SANCHEZ, MAYOR SVA MARTINEZ.
AND THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.
UM, IT'S, UH, IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE TO, TO MEET AND TALK WITH, UH, WITH ALL THE, UH, ONE OF YOU.
AND, UH, AND I, AND, AND THAT'S BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET TO SPEAK, UH,
UM, I WANT TO JUST, UH, TAKE A MINUTE, UH, AS, UH, THE NEW CHAIR TO, UH, WELCOME EACH OF YOU, AND THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTEERING YOUR TIME TO THE CITY AND FOR TAKING SERIOUSLY THE PRIVILEGE OF ENSURING THAT, THAT WE, AS DALLAS, ARE A FAIR PLACE TO DO BUSINESS.
UM, ESPECIALLY I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE OUR VICE CHAIR, UH, MS. TORRES, UH, WHO, UH, TOOK OVER WHEN MR. SATNICK, UH, JOINED THE CITY PROFESSIONALLY.
UM, AND, UH, FOR THE VETERAN MEMBERS ON, ON THIS BOARD, WHO WERE GONNA CARRY US EARLY, THOSE OF US WHO ARE, ARE NEW, OKAY.
WE HAVE MS. THOMAS ON, AND, UH, THE, UH, MS. JOHNSON, UH, OUR CITY SECRETARY IS HERE.
UH, SO IF YOU'D ADD THAT TO THE RECORD, APPRECIATE IT.
SIX OF THOSE SPOTS HAVE NEVER HEARD A CASE.
UH, ONE IS ME, UM, ONE IS MR. SACKER, AND ONE IS DR. JACKSON.
UM, UH, OTHERS OF YOU, MR. ILLA, BY MY UNOFFICIAL COUNT HAS, HAS BEEN TO 36 MEETINGS, WHICH I THINK MEANS HE'S DOING SOME KIND OF PENANCE AND NOT TELLING US, UM,
UM, UM, THIS IS A STRANGE THING TO SAY ON A, ON A FIRST DATE, BUT I WATCHED YOU ON TV BEFORE.
I, I, I, I TOOK THE JOB, UH, AND I, I WATCHED YOU GUYS OPERATE A QUASI-JUDICIAL BOARD MAKING DISCIPLINE DECISIONS ABOUT NOT ONLY DECISIONS YOU MADE, BUT WHAT DECISIONS YOU'RE ALLOWED TO MAKE AND WHATNOT.
AND SOMETIMES VOTING AGAINST PEOPLE WHO WERE VERY SYMPATHETIC AND FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE LESS SYMPATHETIC.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE JOB AND THE DISCIPLINE.
AND, UH, IT'S A TESTAMENT TO YOU AND TO THE, TO THE, THE CITY SECRETARY OF STAFF.
UM, IT MEANS WE, WE, UH, LEARN FEW LESSONS THE HARD WAY.
UM, BY WAY OF INTRODUCTION, UH, I'M ROBERT AGNI, UM, AND I'D LIKE TO GO, GO AROUND.
I, UM, I, UM, LIVE IN DISTRICT 11, UH, BUT I AM THE, THE DISTRICT 15 APPOINTEE.
UM, I'VE LIVED IN DALLAS FOR THE BULK OF MY LIFE.
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I HAVE FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS, SERVED IN VARIOUS ROLES IN THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.I WAS APPOINTED BY LINDA K TELLS YOU SOMETHING, UM, LEE KLEIMAN, JANIE SCHULTZ, AND ERIC JOHNSON, WHICH IS AN INTERESTING GROUP TO HAVE DINNER.
UH, UM, AND I, AND I ROLLED OFF FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS.
I WAS VICE CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
UH, UH, AND I, I ENJOYED THAT TIME.
I DO, I DO KNOW HOW TO, UH, UH, AND I'LL, I'LL COMMIT TO RUNNING AN EFFICIENT, UH, MEETING WHERE PEOPLE GET HEARD, AND WE'LL, WE WILL LEAVE A RECORD SO ANYBODY COMING AFTER US CAN FOLLOW IT FOR BETTER OR WORSE.
UM, WOULD, CAN WE GO DOWN? WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU, UH, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SAY WHAT DISTRICT YOU REPRESENT AND WHAT DISTRICT YOU LIVE IN? UM, HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD AND, AND ANYTHING? UH, PROFESSIONALLY, WE, WE HAVE EVERYTHING FROM LAWYERS TO, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, ENGINEERS TO BUSINESS OWNERS, TO A HEDGE FUND GUY, TO SOMEONE WHO KNOWS BEYONCE, UH, TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE HR EXPERIENCE, SOME OF THEM IN MUNICIPAL, UH, ENTITIES.
UM, UH, IT'S, IT'S A REALLY IMPRESSIVE SET OF PEOPLE.
AND, UH, UH, WE HAVE ONE PERSON WHO PROBABLY OPERATES IN THE MOST HIGHLY REGULATED INDUSTRY IN THE WORLD AIRLINES.
UH, SO I MEAN, THE BOARD IS SET.
UM, AND, UM, I WILL START WITH THE MEMBERS HERE, AND WE'LL JUST GO LEFT TO RIGHT, MR. JEFFERSON, MAKE SURE YOUR MIC IS ON.
MAKE SURE YOU PUSH THAT BUTTON.
UM, I'VE BEEN AROUND, WELL, I'M FROM DALLAS, BORN AND RAISED.
UH, I WAS FIRST APPOINTED BY ED OAKLEY.
SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'LL GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF HOW LONG I'VE BEEN HANGING AROUND THIS PLACE.
I, I'M THE GUY WHO, WHO HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT, THAT KNOWS BEYONCE.
BUT I WORKED IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS, UH, WITH VARIOUS RECORD LABELS, RCA, UH, ARIS, UH, UH, A AND M, A LOT OF DIFFERENT LABELS.
UM, NOW I'M JUST KIND OF, UM, CONSULTING, FREELANCING, AND, UH, SEMI-RETIRED.
AND THANK YOU FOR, UH, WELCOMING TO THIS BOARD.
I HAVE BEEN IN DALLAS SINCE 79.
I'M ALSO EMPLOYED WITH CITY FINANCIAL.
I'M ALSO, UH, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, FOUNDER OF SOUTHERN SECTOR RISING.
AND I AM, UM, LIKE I SAID, WORK FOR CITY FINANCIAL.
IN ADDITION, I HAVE, UM, BEEN ON THE BOARD WITH LANE PLA AND SUPERFUND SITE.
I WAS APPOINTED BY, UH, COUNCILMAN 10 ATKINS, AND I'M NOT A STRANGER TO THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AND I KNOW YOU GUYS PROBABLY SEE MY FACE AND FAMILY WAS HERE.
SEAN WILLIAMS IS ALWAYS MY FIRST COUSIN, AND SO HE'S BEEN HERE AROUND, SO I'VE BEEN AROUND.
YOU SHOULD ASK DR. JACKSON HOW SHE ACTUALLY MOVED TO MOUNTAIN.
I WAS APPOINTED FOR DISTRICT, UH, 10.
I LIVE IN OAK CLIFF IN DISTRICT ONE.
UH, I'VE BEEN IN DALLAS SINCE 2002.
I AM A, UH, AN ENGINEER WITH A CONSULTING FIRM.
I'M A, I'M REGISTERED AS PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN ARKANSAS.
UM, I HAVE BEEN ON THIS BOARD SINCE, UH, 2023, AND THIS IS THE ONLY CITY OF DALLAS COMMITTEE I'VE SERVED ON SO FAR.
UM, THIS MAN, UH, I THINK IS JUST OUT OF THINGS TO VOLUNTEER FOR
HELLO, I'M JONATHAN SACKER, REPRESENTING DISTRICT ONE LIVING IN DISTRICT ONE OAK CLIFF, OAK CLIFF.
UM, I, I CURRENTLY WORK AT BANK OF AMERICA IN SUSTAINABILITY
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AND CLIMATE RISK MANAGEMENT, AND I'VE SERVED ON THE ANIMAL ADVISORY COMMISSION, AND I HAVE BEEN RECOGNIZED FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS OF VOLUNTEERING OVER 250 HOURS FOR THE, UH, FOR THE ORGANIZATION I WORK WITH, AS WELL AS THE ORGANIZATIONS AROUND OAK CLIFF, LIKE, UH, MISSION OAK CLIFF, IT'S GREAT FOOD PANTRY SERVICES.UH, TONS OF CLIENTS, ESPECIALLY SINCE COVID, UH, WRECKED OUR FOOD PANTRY.
SO, UM, LOVE GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING HERE.
HE WON'T SAY IT, BUT A, A GOOGLE SEARCH INDICATES THAT HE WAS HERE FOR ONE OF HIS MEETINGS AND NOTICED THAT THE POLICE AT THE, UH, ENTRANCE DIDN'T HAVE AN AIR CONDITIONER.
SO, NOT ONLY DID HE BUY THE AIR CONDITIONER, BUT THEN NAVIGATED THE CITY'S PERMIT PROCESS IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS LEGAL TO BUY THE AIR CONDITIONER, AND THEN MADE SURE IT ACTUALLY GOT INSTALLED IN THE RIGHT PLACE, WHICH IS A HERCULEAN FEET.
I LIVE AND REPRESENT DISTRICT 13.
UM, I AM NOT A DALLAS NATIVE OR NATIVE TO TEXAS.
UM, I'VE LIVED IN, UH, DALLAS FOR 10 YEARS NOW.
UM, AND LIKE MR. AGNI SAID, I AM IN THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY.
UM, I'VE, UM, COMING UP ON 19 YEARS IN THAT INDUSTRY, AND IT IS HEAVILY REGULATED.
UM, MY ENTIRE DAY IS ALWAYS ABOUT, UM, THE CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS AND SPENDING TIME MAKING SURE WE ADHERE TO THAT.
MR. CILLA? HI, I AM RICHARD CILLA.
I GUESS I'M THE LONGEST STANDING BOARD MEMBER,
I DID NOT REALIZE THAT UNTIL I LOOKED AT THIS ANNUAL REPORT.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, BEEN HERE SINCE 2019.
THIS IS, I GUESS, ACTUALLY MY, UH, FIRST AND ONLY, UH, VOLUNTEER POSITION WITH THE CITY.
A COUPLE OF, A LOT OF THINGS WITH, UH, DISD BACK IN THE DAY WHEN KIDS WERE IN DISD.
I GUESS WHAT MY KIDS AND MY WIFE ALWAYS SAY THAT I LEAD WITH.
SO I'LL LEAD HERE WITH IT JUST 'CAUSE WE'RE ALL NEW.
I HAVE FIVE KIDS AND WE RANGE FROM 14 TO 24.
SO, UM, THAT'S PROBABLY THE, WHAT I FIND IS THE BEST ACHIEVEMENT IN BEING A FATHER AND BEING A PARENT.
I'M A LAWYER, BEEN PRACTICING FOR 25 PLUS YEARS.
MY SERVICE IS BASICALLY SERVING, UM, SMALL, MEDIUM SIZED BUSINESSES AS WELL AS INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE DIFFERENT, UM, DIFFERENT NEEDS, WHETHER IT'S IN THE COURTROOM OR, OR A BOARDROOM.
IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER TO ME.
UM, IN REGARD TO DALLAS, UH, I ACTUALLY, UM, GRADUATED FROM SCHOOL UP IN PLANO, UH, WAS BORN BEFORE THAT IN HOUSTON.
SPENT SOME TIME DOWN IN SOUTHEAST TEXAS, BUT HAVE BEEN IN DALLAS AREA SINCE I ATTENDED, UH, SCHOOL AND LAW SCHOOL IN DALLAS.
AND, UM, I GUESS I COULD SAY IT 'CAUSE WE CELEBRATE AND WE WANT EVERYBODY TO BE, UH, SUPPORTERS OF SMU.
SO, SMU IS WHAT YOU, REGARDLESS OF WHO YOU'RE, WHO YOUR, WHERE, YOUR DEGREE OR WHATEVER'S FROM, THEN YOU SHOULD ALWAYS SUPPORT SMU WHEN YOU'RE A DALLAS SITE.
SO ANYWAY, UM, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME AND I APPRECIATE IT.
PUT WHENEVER I CAN WROTE SOMEBODY JUST REAL QUICK.
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS, UH, UH, FOR REMOTE PEOPLE.
LET'S, LET'S, UH, START WITH VICE-CHAIR TORRES, AND THEN MS. THOMAS AND MR. QUINT, VICE CHAIR TORRES.
UH, MY NAME IS LAURA BAAS TORRES.
UM, I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF, I GUESS, MOVING, WE'RE TEMPORARILY IN DISTRICT 15, BUT I, I BLEED WEST DALLAS, DISTRICT SIX ALL THE WAY BECAUSE I LIVED THERE FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
UM, BUT I WAS BORN IN MEXICO AND CAME HERE WHEN I WAS, UM, YOUNG.
UM, BUT ORIGINALLY FROM MEXICO.
AND TODAY, THAT IS REALLY MY PASSION.
SO I'M AN IMMIGRATION ATTORNEY, AND I REPRESENT IMMIGRANTS ALL IN ALL 50 STATES, REALLY.
SO THIS YEAR HAS, THIS PAST YEAR HAS BEEN REALLY, REALLY INTERESTING FOR ME.
UM, I'VE BEEN AN ATTORNEY FOR SIX YEARS.
I HAVE MY OWN LAW FIRM, AND ON A DAY TO DAY, IT IS JUST KIND OF CRAZY.
SO I DO APOLOGIZE FOR NOT MAKING IT IN.
UH, WE GOT HIRED LAST NIGHT TO REPRESENT SOMEONE IN COURT HERE AFTER THIS MEETING, SO IT HAS BEEN KIND OF CRAZY.
WE ARE SO EXCITED, UM, FOR OUR NEW CHAIRMAN.
I WILL BE HERE TO SUPPORT YOU IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE, AND I'VE BEEN HONORED TO BE ABLE TO, UM, TAKE ON SOME OF THE MEETINGS, UM, THIS PAST YEAR, WHICH WE DIDN'T HAVE AS MANY AS, YOU KNOW, 2024.
ALSO, THAT REPORT WAS FANTASTIC,
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AND JUST REFLECTING ON EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE.SO, UM, IT WAS KIND OF A SLOWER YEAR, IT FELT LIKE LAST YEAR.
I ALSO HAVE TWO KIDS THAT KEEP ME INCREDIBLY BUSY.
AND ALSO, LIKE MR. CCIO PROBABLY, UM, THE THING THAT I'M MOST PROUD OF.
UH, YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE YOUR, UH, YOUR FACE ON VIDEO IN ORDER TO EVEN COUNT AS PRESENT.
I DON'T SEE MS. THOMAS, BUT I DO SEE MS. ALA, MR. GONZALEZ AND MR.
UH, SO IT APPEARS, UH, SHE WAS DISCONNECTED.
UM, MS. AYALA, ARE, ARE YOU HERE OR, YES.
I, I HAVE A VERY SMALL WINDOW.
UM, UH, WE'RE JUST, UH, DOING BASIC INTRODUCTIONS.
UM, UH, IF, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, UH, INTRODUCING YOURSELF AND TELLING US, UH, WHERE, WHICH DISTRICT YOU LIVE IN, WHICH, UH, DISTRICT YOU, YOU HAVE BEEN APPOINTED FROM, AND, UH, UH, HOW LONG YOU'VE SERVED THE CITY, AND, AND ANYTHING ELSE IMPORTANT? UH, I'M SORRY.
UH, TECHNICALLY, LEGALLY WE HAVE TO HAVE VIDEO, OTHERWISE, I KNOW MY APP IS OFF.
I, I DIDN'T BACK ON, BUT IT'S NOT, I SEE MR. GONZALEZ AS WELL, BUT NO VIDEO.
UM, WHILE YOU, UH, UH, MR. MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR.
UH, THE VIDEO ON MY END, IT'S SHOWING ME AND MY, MY CAMERA'S ON, SO I'M OKAY.
YOU MAY JUST, UH, IT'S NOT WORKING FOR ME EITHER.
WHAT, WHAT DO WE SEE HERE? I, I HAVE A, UH, I SEE NOTHING FOR MR. GONZALEZ AND MS. AYALA.
'CAUSE ON, ON, ON MY SCREEN IT IS, IT IS SHOWING MY, MY FACE BACK TO ME
SO WE HAVE DIFFERENT, AS LONG AS THIS COUNTS FOR OUR QUORUM, AND WE'RE ALL OKAY WITH, WITH THIS, SO YOU HAVE TO I CAN SEE MR. GONZALEZ.
SO DESPITE WHAT WE CAN SEE, I'M TOLD THAT EVERYONE IS VISIBLE AND THEY WILL TELL US IF ANY OF YOU DROP OFF, THOMAS IS BACK, AND MS. THOMAS IS BACK.
UM, MS. AALA, ARE YOU STILL WITH US? YEAH, I'M HERE.
I DON'T EITHER, BUT IT'S NOT, UH, IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT.
UM, SO I GUESS I'LL, I'LL CONTINUE.
I WAS APPOINTED BY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO.
I'VE SERVED ON THE BOARD NOT THAT LONG, UH, TWO YEARS.
I'M JUST GONNA GO BACK IN ORDER TO MS. THOMAS AND I, WE CAN'T SEE YOU, BUT WE'RE TOLD YOU'RE ON AND WE TRUST IN OFF.
I KEEP TRYING TO TURN IT BACK ON IT.
I HAVE LIVED IN DALLAS ALL MY LIFE.
I'VE MANAGED 401K AND RETIREMENT PLANS FOR MILLIMAN FOR YEARS.
UH, CURRENTLY UNEMPLOYED AND SEMI-RETIRED.
THIS IS MY SECOND YEAR ON THE P LAB, UH, BOARD.
AND WELCOME TO ALL THE NEW PEOPLE.
UM, WHO'S, WHO'S NEXT? UH, MR. QUINT, WHO HAD SURGERY THREE DAYS AGO AND IS WITH US.
I HAD A HIP REPLACEMENT, AND I WAS NOT GONNA MISS THIS MEETING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
UM, I AM A NATIVE DALLAS SIDE.
I'M A FOURTH GENERATION, UM, TWO DAUGHTERS, TWO WONDERFUL LITTLE GRANDSONS.
UM, I OWN SEVERAL COMPANIES THAT, THAT I ACTIVELY RUN.
UM, I'M AN IMPORT MANUFACTURER, CHRISTMAS DECORATIONS.
UM, I'M IN THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS AND THE OIL EXPLORATION PRODUCTION BUSINESS.
UM, I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD ALMOST FOUR YEARS, HAVE ENJOYED EVERY MOMENT OF SERVING THE CITY.
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LET THE, THANK YOU, LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT, UH, MS. AYALA AND MR. GONZALEZ ARE NOW PRESENT.UM, MR. GONZALEZ, UH, ASSUMING THEY TELL ME YOU'RE VISIBLE.
UM, I'M LIKE, I HOPE I'M VISIBLE.
YOU, YOU APPARENTLY ARE JUST NOT TO US.
I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING THERE, UH, IN PERSON.
I HAD A, UH, WORK EMERGENCY COME UP THIS MORNING, BUT THANKFULLY I WAS ABLE TO SOLVE IT FASTER THAN I THOUGHT I WAS.
UM, BUT I'M, I'M JAVIN GONZALEZ.
I ACTUALLY, UM, I RESIDED IN DISTRICT 14.
UH, I WAS APPOINTED BY PAUL RIDLEY.
UH, SO I AM A HOLDOVER UNTIL MR. RIDLEY FINDS A, UH, A PERSON WITHIN DISTRICT FOR THIS, UH, POSITION.
I WORK IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, FOR THE CITY OF MESQUITE.
UM, I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY.
I, I REALLY ENJOY, UH, SERVING ON THIS, UH, COMMITTEE.
AND, UM, I'M HAPPY TO HELP ANY WAY I CAN.
UH, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A, A A SECOND.
WE'RE, UH, WE'RE GRACED WITH SOMEONE WHO WAS OPERATING WELL BELOW HER PAY GRADE.
UM, UH, THE CITY SECRETARY IS HERE AND, UH, WELL, I DON'T MEAN TO SPRING IT ON YOU, BUT IF, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING, WE'D, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU.
UM, YOU DON'T, I MEAN, BY ALL MEANS, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
UM, TO THE BOARD'S BUSINESS, UM, THERE ARE NO PUBLIC SPEAKERS.
UM, IS THERE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE YOUR SEPTEMBER MINUTES? MOTION TO APPROVE? SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2025 MINUTES.
MR. ILLA? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND.
MR. SAXON, UH, ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
AT THIS POINT, WE GO TO OUR BOARD CALENDAR, UM, WHICH, UH, WE, UH, DIDN'T ADOPT LAST YEAR.
UM, THIS GOES PART AND PARCEL WITH OUR, UH, OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE THAT, UH, WERE WRITTEN IN 2002.
AND, AND, AND WE WILL NEXT ORDER OF, OF BUSINESS, UH, AFTER THIS MEETING WILL BE, UH, WORKING WITH MS. CARLISLE TO UPDATE THEM.
UM, UM, UH, THIS SERVES TO CREATE STANDING MEETINGS, UM, THAT THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE CAN USE TO DOCKET CASES.
UM, UM, IN THE ANNUAL REPORT, WE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS.
THE ONE THING, YOUR HONOR NOTE IS IN JULY, THE FIRST THURSDAY OF THE MONTH IS JULY 2ND.
AND ON THE GUESS THAT NOBODY IS GONNA WANT TO HEAR A CASE ON THURSDAY, JULY 2ND, UH, UH, OR, OR BE A PART OF IT, UM, I WILL CANCEL THAT MEETING AND CALL A SPECIAL MEETING, UH, ON, UM, THE NEXT THURSDAY, WHICH IS THE 9TH OF JULY, SO THAT WE WILL HAVE A STANDING MEETING.
AND, UH, THERE IS ALSO A JANUARY MEETING, UH, JANUARY 27 MEETING, UH, UH, JUST SO THAT WE'RE NOT SCRAMBLING, UH, AT THE HOLIDAYS.
UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT.
ARE THERE THOUGHTS OR QUESTIONS? UH, QUESTION IN REGARD TO JANUARY 27TH, YOU TALKING, MR. CACHE IS RECOGNIZED.
UM, IN REGARD TO THE JANUARY, YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS JANUARY AND THE TUESDAY? NO, I, I WAS TALKING ABOUT NEXT JANUARY.
I MAY HAVE SAID WHATEVER IT IS.
YEAH, I WAS TALKING ABOUT JULY 9TH.
SO IT IS, I MOVED ON TO JANUARY, 2020 SEVENTH,
ONE OF THE THINGS WE WE'LL LOOK AT IS WE'RE, WE'RE, FOR WHATEVER REASON, UH, THE PREVIOUS BOARDS LOCKED US INTO MEETING NO MATTER WHAT ON THE, ON THE FIRST THURSDAY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A DISCUSSION WE CAN HAVE AT A DIFFERENT TIME.
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COMMENTS? IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, OH, I'M SORRY, MS. SHIN.I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING JULY OF 2026.
UM, INSTEAD OF THE NINTH, WHY WOULD THE MEETING NOT BE ON THE 16TH? THE THIRD THURSDAY OF THE MONTH? WE COULD DO IT, UH, THEN IF, IF THE BOARD WANTED TO, UH, THERE'S, UH, IT'S A SPECIAL MEETING.
SO THE, THE CODE, UH, ALLOWS THE, UH, THE CHAIR TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING AT ANY TIME.
UH, I, THE REASON I DID IT THEN, IS THAT IN SOME CASES, WE HAVE DEADLINES THAT THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE HAS TO MEET.
AND I WANTED TO CREATE A MEETING AS CLOSE TO A MONTH AS PAUL AND I DECIDED TO DO IT ON A, ON A THURSDAY, AS OPPOSED TO ON THE FOLLOWING MONDAY.
I JUST, BECAUSE WE'RE SORT OF USED TO THURSDAYS, BUT IF THE BOARD, UH, THE RATIONALE TO NOT WAITING IS THAT WE, THEN WE POSSIBLY END UP WITH SIX WEEK GAP, UH, AS OPPOSED TO FIVE WEEK GAP.
BUT THAT, THAT'S MY RATIONALE.
BUT IF THE, IF THE BOARD WERE INCLINED TO MEET ON THE THIRD THURSDAY, I, I, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.
I HAVEN'T FOUND IT, BUT I THOUGHT THE CITY CODE SAID THAT IT WOULD BE THE FIRST THURSDAY FOR, UH, REGULAR MEETINGS, AND THEN ANY SPECIAL MEETINGS WOULD BE THE THIRD THURSDAY.
THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THAT QUESTION.
I'M NOT AWARE OF, AND I'VE LOOKED, UH, I'LL ASK MS. CARLISLE IN A, IN A MINUTE.
I, UH, SPECIAL MEETINGS CAN BE CALLED AT ANY TIME BY THE CHAIR.
LIKE THERE'S, WE HAVE ULTIMATE FLEXIBILITY ON THAT.
MS. CARLISLE, THAT IS CORRECT.
THE CHAIRMAN CAN CALL SPECIAL MEETINGS AT ANY TIME.
AS A MATTER OF PRACTICE, WE PROBABLY, IF WE'RE NOT DOING IT A YEAR AHEAD OF TIME, IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE THIRD THURSDAY IS THE TIME WHEN WE KNOW WE CAN GET, UH, SPACE AND, AND YOU GUYS ARE, ARE USED TO THAT.
IT, IT SEEMS LIKE A, SEEMS LIKE A LOGICAL POLICY, UH, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE ACTUAL CODE.
AND I, I KIND OF THINK FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH IN THE, IN THE FUTURE, IF WE WERE TO CALL, IF THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE ASKED US TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING BECAUSE WE RAN INTO A, A TIMELINE, I WOULD EXPECT IT WOULD BE THE THIRD THURSDAY LIKE THAT.
AND UNLESS THERE WAS A REALLY COMPELLING REASON NOT TO DO THAT, THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD DO IT.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE, WITH THE, THE JAN, THE JULY DATE, OR, UH, DO YOU CARE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT? I AM.
SOME OF YOU I CAN'T SEE, SO I WOULDN'T KNOW IF YOU'RE RAISING YOUR HAND.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE OUR 2026 CALENDAR? OH, UM, YES, SIR.
UH, IF WE APPROVE THIS, THEN WHEN JULY COMES AROUND, WE WILL THEN BE ABLE TO STILL SAY, AFTER TODAY'S VOTE TO APPROVE THIS CALENDAR, WE CAN STILL ASK TO MOVE THE SECOND TO THE NINTH.
AND I'M TELLING YOU, I'LL DO THAT.
I WILL CALL THE MEETING AND, UH, THE, THE CHAIR CAN CANCEL MEETINGS FOR DUE CAUSE.
UH, AND DUE CAUSE INCLUDES, WE HAVE NO CASES BECAUSE WE DON'T RIGHT NOW.
UH, SO, UH, THAT'S JUST THE, THE LEGAL MECHANICS TO WHICH WE HAVE TO DO IT PERFECT.
BUT WE ARE ESSENTIALLY SAYING, UH, BECAUSE JULY 2ND IS RIGHT NEXT TO A HOLIDAY, UH, AND WE DON'T THINK ANY LITIGANTS REALLY ARE LIKELY TO WANT TO USE THIS.
WE WILL MAKE OURSELVES AVAILABLE AT A MORE CONVENIENT DATE.
AND WE DON'T MIND DOING THAT BECAUSE WE'RE DOING IT WELL AHEAD OF TIME AND EVERYBODY CAN CALENDAR.
MR. CHAIR, I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION, MR. CILLA.
SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION AND FOR THE RECORD, WE ARE VOTING ON THIS PERMANENT LICENSE APPEAL BOARD 2026 CALENDAR, ALONG WITH THE JANUARY, 2027, UH, DATE BASED ON WHAT IS IN GREEN FOR THE MEETINGS.
IS THAT CORRECT? I'M PHYSICALLY LOOKING AT THE PAGE.
AND I'M, I'M NOT PHYSICALLY LOOKING AT THE PAGE.
THAT'S FINE, BECAUSE I KNOW IT, I GUESS LEMME MAKE, WE MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE, WE WILL ACTUALLY ADOPT THAT PAGE FORMALLY, SO THAT WILL GO WITH IN THE MEETING.
I JUST WANNA MAKE, SO WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A POTENTIAL SPECIAL MEETING, WE'RE NOT VOTING ON THAT SPECIAL MEETING DATE AT THE MOMENT? NO, THAT'S IN JULY.
YOU'RE JUST GIVING US A HINT OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
BECAUSE ULTIMATELY I HAVE TO CALL IT, UH, BUT,
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BUT YEAH, I'M, I'M, THIS IS, THERE WAS NOTHING MORE.I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE FOR THE RECORD, WHAT WE WERE VOTING ON.
THIS IS ME ASKING THE BOARD WHETHER THAT'S OKAY.
OTHERWISE, WE'LL MEET ON THE SECOND IF THAT'S WHAT YOU, YOU GUYS WANT TO DO.
WHO, WHO ASKING? MR. QUINT? YES, SIR.
IT APPEARS EVERYBODY'S VIDEO HAS DISAPPEARED, INCLUDING THE BOARD IN LIVE IN PERSON.
SO OUR BASIC STANDARD RIGHT NOW IS WHETHER MARY CAN SEE YOU.
UM, ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T SEE US NOW? I CAN'T SEE, UH, MISS, UH, CAN'T SEE LAURA, JEVON, FRIDA, CARMEN, ME.
I CAN'T SEE THE BOARD ITSELF IN PERSON ROOM.
SO, MR. QUINT, DESPITE YOU SPEAKING, TECHNICALLY YOU'RE NOT PRESENT, UH, BECAUSE WE CAN'T SEE YOU OR MS. THOMAS AND MY CAMERA IS WORKING.
I DO NOT, IT KEEPS GOING OFF THOUGH.
NOW I SEE MYSELF ON, I'M ON AGAIN.
AND, AND I, I'M TOLD THAT IF YOU'RE ON YOUR, YOU NEED TO BE ON THE WEBEX APP EVEN ON YOUR PHONE.
IF YOU TOGGLE OVER TO ANYTHING ELSE, IT CUTS YOUR CAMERA.
I, I THAT'S AROUND YOUR PHONE.
MR. QUINT, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY COULD SEE EVERYBODY BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S DROPPED OFF ON MINE.
I'M GOING, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS, IS GONE.
WELL, THE MORE, MORE IMPORTANT THING IS WE CAN SEE YOU, SIR.
UH, IS THERE A MOTION? ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE 2026 CALENDAR MOTION TO ADOPT THE 2026 IN JANUARY, 2027? PERMANENT LICENSE APPEAL BOARD MEETING.
MR. JEFFERSON COMMENTS? I THINK WE'VE SORT OF TALKED ABOUT IT.
UH, PROCEDURALLY, UH, UNLESS SOMEONE WANTS A ROLL, WE'LL JUST DO VOICE VOTES, UH, UNLESS THERE IS, UH, A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.
IS SOMEONE IN OPPOSITION? NO, I THOUGHT I HEARD A NAY.
SO, UH, MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
UH, NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS OUR ANNUAL REPORT.
I, UH, HAVE A COUPLE OF CORRECTIONS THAT I NEED TO MAKE THAT I'LL, UH, CALL OUT AS, AS WE, UH, GO THROUGH IT.
UM, UH, THIS REPORT DOESN'T HAPPEN WITHOUT THE DATA THAT IS COLLECTED AND MAINTAINED BY THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE.
UH, I WAS IN A STRANGE POSITION OF ATTEMPTING TO WRITE SOMETHING STRATEGIC ABOUT A BOARD ON WHICH I HAD NEVER SAT.
UH, AND IT COULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED WITHOUT ALL THOSE ANNUAL REPORTS.
UM, UH, ALSO NOTE THAT THE COUNCIL IN APRIL OF 25, UH, CHANGED THE, UM, THE FORMAL RULES THAT DICTATE WHAT HAS TO BE IN THESE REPORTS.
UH, SO, AND IT DOESN'T MEAN WE ONLY HAVE TO DO THAT, BUT, UH, SO I'M GONNA CHANGE, REFLECT THAT.
UM, MS. BROWN OR SANCHEZ? UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CURRENT ON APPOINTEE.
HAS ANYONE BEEN APPOINTED THAT ISN'T HERE? NO.
UM, MS. AYALA, I, UH, UH, I APOLOGIZE.
IN THE, THE LAST PAGE, I, I SHOWED DISTRICT TWO AS NOT APPOINTED.
IT'S NOT, UM, THE MISSION STATEMENT.
I THINK THE, THE, THE IMPORTANT THING HERE IS THAT IT'S A CITIZEN LED QUASI-JUDICIAL BODY.
UH, THAT IT IS, THAT IT HAS INDEPENDENCE, UH, IN NO SMALL PART BECAUSE EVERY CASE WE HEAR, UH, THE CITY IS A PARTY TO, UH, SO WITHOUT, AND IF WE WERE NOT INDEPENDENT, WE, WE WOULD
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BE A SUBSIDIARY OF, OF THE CITY, WHICH WOULD DEFEAT THE PURPOSE OF A, OF AN APPEAL.UM, UM, I THINK THE, THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES ARE, UM, VERY BROAD.
BUT I, I, MY EXPERIENCE IN THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, UH, WHICH SAYS THAT IF WE PROVIDE A HEARING BASED ON, UH, STANDARDS THAT WE DELIVER AHEAD OF TIME AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO PRESENT THE FACTS, THEN IN PUBLIC, MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THOSE STANDARDS, AND THEN LEAVE A RECORD OF EXACTLY WHY WE DO IT, THAT WE HAVE SUCCEEDED, AND WHATEVER THE OUTCOME IS, UH, UH, THAT, THAT IT WOULD BE VERY HARD FOR SOMEONE ON THE DOWNSIDE TO FEEL LIKE THEY WERE MISTREATED IF WE DO THOSE THINGS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHERE THAT COMES FROM.
UM, AS AN ASIDE, I WILL SAY ONE, AT ONE POINT I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL OUT OF THE BLUE FROM AN APPLICANT WHO HAD BEEN TURNED DOWN SAYING, THANK YOU.
YOU GUYS REALLY TREATED ME FAIRLY.
I THEN FOUND OUT THE NEXT MONTH THAT HE HAD A NEW APPLICATION, AND THAT MAYBE HE WASN'T SO THANKFUL.
UM, SO, UM, UH, OUR AUTHORITY COMES FROM CHAPTER TWO AND CHAPTER EIGHT.
THE CITY COUNCIL SAID, UH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THIS BOARD.
YOU'RE GONNA MAKE THESE DECISIONS ON THE, THIS BASIS YOU GUYS GET TOGETHER.
UH, THERE'S GONNA BE A MEMBER APPOINTED BY EACH MEMBER AND THE MAYOR.
UH, AND, UH, INTERESTINGLY, INITIALLY THIS BOARD WAS, UH, FIVE PANELS OF THREE.
UH, THE BOARD, UH, IN 2002, UH, WENT TO THE COUNCIL AND CHANGED THE CODE TO MAKE IT ONE PANEL OF 15 IN ORDER BECAUSE OF CASELOAD.
THEY THEN, IN 2009, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF CASELOAD, DECIDED THEY WOULD MEET ONLY ONCE A MONTH.
SO THE, THE COUNCIL GIVES US LATITUDE INSIDE OF THEIR GUARDRAILS.
AND, UM, THIS WAS PUT TOGETHER, UH, THIS LIST WAS, WAS PUT TOGETHER BY THE CITY SECRETARY STAFF.
UM, I'M, UH, INTERESTED TO SEE GOING BACK THAT SOME OF THESE CASES HAVE NEVER SHOWN UP.
UM, UH, I DO WANNA MAKE, I I WILL PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT TO THE PROCESS.
AND JUST TO MAKE VERY CLEAR THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MEETING AND A HEARING, UH, THE, UH, CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE, AS YOU KNOW, IS, IS, UH, RESPONSIBLE FOR, UH, DOCKETING A CASE ONCE THEY DULY RECEIVE IT ON, UH, A, A DATE THAT WE HAVE A HEARING.
UH, SO WE, WE CALL THE MEETINGS AND THE CITY SECRETARY, UH, THEN FILLS THE MEETING WITH THE AGENDA ITEM IN THE, UM, WE HAVE THE, UH, ATTENDANCE RULES THAT ARE STIPULATED BY THE COUNCIL.
UM, YOU HAVE THIS, UH, MARCH, 2009.
WHEN YOU'RE LISTENING, I'M LOOKING LIKE THAT ONE.
THE CITY SECRETARY IS RECOGNIZED.
UM, CHAIR AGNI, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY AND WE CAN, WE WILL DEFINITELY, UH, MEET ONE-ON-ONE TO GO INTO DETAIL, BUT JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY ON THE TWO TYPES OF MEETINGS YOU JUST MENTIONED THE, THE MEETING OF THE BOARD, AND THEN, THEN THERE'S A MEETING FOR HEARINGS.
AND IN CHAPTER 14 AND 27 THAT WAS ADDED FAIRLY, FAIRLY RECENTLY WITH THE HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTIES, IT STATES THAT THE CITY SECRETARY, UH, SET THOSE MEETING DATES.
I, I DO UNDERSTAND THE POSITION.
UH, I, I BELIEVE THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND I'LL DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, UH, I BELIEVE THAT GO, GO INTO A LOT OF IT.
THE, THE, TO TRY TO SEPARATE POLICY FROM LAW.
'CAUSE IT MAY, UH, BUT THAT THE, THE CODE, UH, CHAPTER EIGHT, I CAN GET TO IT HERE EXPRESSLY GIVES
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THE BOARD THE SOLE RIGHT TO CALL A MEETING.UH, SO WHILE A MEETING, FOR EXAMPLE, IN, IN, UH, JULY 23RD, THIS BOARD HEARD TWO HEARINGS INSIDE OF THAT MEETING.
UH, SO A HEARING IS A, UH, CASE IN WHICH, WHICH, UH, WE DISPOSE.
UH, WHEREAS A MEETING IS A CALLED GATHERING OF THE BOARD.
SO IT, IT WOULD, IN MY OPINION, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT LIKE CALLING A CHRISTMAS PARTY AT MS. SHIN'S HOUSE WITHOUT TELLING, I MEAN, WE, WE CAN NOTICE IT, WE CAN DO A LOT OF THINGS AND WE COULD EVEN PROBABLY MEET, BUT IF IT'S TO HAVE THE, THE WEIGHT OF THE BOARD, UH, IT, IT NEEDS TO BE HELD BY THE BOARD.
OTHERWISE, YOU'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE, WHERE THE BOARD COULD BE CALLED AND HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR NOT ATTENDING, UH, AT FOUR DAYS OR AT ANYONE'S, UH, DISCRETION.
UH, BUT I, I, I KNOW YOU'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEYS, AND YOU AND I SHOULD SAY CORRECT.
THIS IS WHERE I'M GONNA DEFER TO MS. CARLISLE.
I THINK THAT WE JUST NEED TO HAVE AN INTERNAL MEETING BETWEEN THE THREE OF US TO FIGURE IT ALL OUT.
BUT LIKE THE CITY SECRETARY SAID, SHE WILL TRY TO PUT ALL THE HEARINGS ON THIS MEETING DATES THAT WERE JUST PASSED.
HOWEVER, SOMETIMES THERE ARE TIME LIMITS IN THAT SHE WILL NEED TO HAVE TO HAVE A MEETING OUTSIDE OF THOSE DATES THAT WERE JUST APPROVED TO MEET THE DEADLINES PROVIDED FOR IN THE CODE.
IT IS, IT IS THE CHAIR'S POSITION THAT THOSE MEETINGS, UH, MUST BE CALLED BY THE BOARD.
CALLED BY THE, BY THE CHAIR IF THAT, IF, IF YOU, UH, I BELIEVE THE BOARD COLLECTIVELY COULD CALL HIM.
BUT, UH, BUT THAT ULTIMATELY, THAT THAT POWER RESTS WITHIN THE BOARD, THE POWER TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE BOARD'S AGENDA RESTS WITH THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE FOR, AND WE CAN AGAIN, CHAIR, WE WILL, UM, MEET TO DISCUSS THAT MORE.
BUT, UM, I JUST WANTED TO, TO CLARIFY THAT, BECAUSE AGAIN, IN THOSE ORDINANCES, CHAPTER 27 AND CHAPTER 14, AND ALSO IN CHAPTER TWO, IT, IT DOES STATE THAT, UM, THE CITY SECRETARY CALLS THOSE, THOSE HEARINGS, UH, SET THOSE DATES.
AND I, WE, AGAIN, LIKE THE, UM, THE CITY ATTORNEY MENTIONED, WE WILL TRY TO SCHEDULE THOSE ON THOSE SET YOUR SET BOARD MEETING DATES THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO APPROVE ON YOUR CALENDAR.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE WE HAVE, THERE, THERE ARE TIMELINES AND DEADLINES IN THOSE ORDINANCES THAT I HAVE TO, THAT, THAT'S PROVIDED TO ME ON CALLING THOSE HEARINGS.
THEY MAY FALL OUTSIDE OF YOUR MEETING DATES.
AND I'M JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY AND I CLARIFY THAT AND MAKE THE BOARD AWARE OF THAT.
OUR PROCESS THEN WOULD BE REACH OUT AND CHAIRMAN CALLS A SPECIAL MEETING AT THE REQUEST OF, OF COURSE WE WOULD, BUT I DO THINK IT'S ON, IT'S US AND WE, WE SET BY LAW AND BY, BY OUR OWN RULES, STANDING MEETINGS BASICALLY EVERY 30 DAYS.
IF THERE, JUST FROM THE, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE, THE SCHEDULED VOLUNTEERS.
IF, IF THERE IS, I WOULD IMAGINE TWO SITUATIONS WHERE A SPECIAL MEETING WOULD BE, ONE IS IF WE HAD A CASE, OH, FOR, FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE HAD THREE OR FOUR CASES ON A DAY, WE WOULD PROBABLY DECIDE TO SPLIT IT.
AND THE OTHER IS, IF, IF THERE WAS A DEADLINE THAT WE LEGALLY HAD TO MEET, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S 41 A MAYBE, UH, BUT MOST OF THEM ARE, ARE 60 DAYS.
BUT I, I, AS A MATTER OF POLICY, I AGREE WE SHOULD AS A MATTER OF LAW, I, I, UH, I, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S A PRINCIPLE WITHOUT A DISTINCTION.
BUT I, I ALSO CAN, IF YOU MAY SHARE, I ADD SOME, SOME HISTORICAL INFORMATION ON, ON BOARD MEETINGS.
AND I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT.
UH, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO PLA UM, BOARD, THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, HAS MET BEFORE TO DISCUSS THE RULES OF PROCEDURES.
UM, AND I REMEMBER A MEETING WHERE THE CHAIR, UM, AND THIS IS AT THEIR REGULAR MEETINGS.
IT'S, IT'S NOT ALWAYS HEARINGS MM-HMM
UM, IT'S TO, UM, AGAIN, I THINK THEY WERE LOOKING AT THE NOTICING, UM, PROCESS THAT WAS DONE BY, UM, UM, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IN OUR OFFICE ON HOW, UM, THOSE PARTIES ARE NOTICED.
SO THEY BROUGHT IN DEPARTMENTS TO COME IN, UM, TO, TO SPEAK TO HOW THOSE NOTICES ARE BEING SENT.
SO THOSE ARE THE OTHER TYPE OF
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THINGS THAT HAPPEN AT THOSE BOARD MEETINGS.AND, AND IT'S, IT'S BEEN, AND, UH, AND AGAIN, WE JUST NEED TO, TO, TO DISCUSS THAT.
AND MY APOLOGIES NOT REACHING OUT TO YOU SOONER, BUT IT'S NOT JUST HEARINGS.
UM, IT'S, UM, FOR THOSE BOARD MEETINGS YEAH.
THE ONES THAT ARE UNDER CHAPTER EIGHT, IT'S, IT'S THE, IT'S, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE AND OPERATIONAL THINGS OF THE BOARD AS WELL THAT COULD HAPPEN AT THOSE MEETINGS.
SO I, I, I DON'T THINK WE FALL UNDER ADMINISTRATIVE AND, AND WE, WE DO NEED TO JUST TALK.
I I, UH, IN, IN THAT SITUATION, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE WANTED, IF WE WERE HAVING TRAINING IN THIS MEETING, WE, WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, NOTICE IT.
AND WE'D HAVE IT, UH, IF WE SAW THE NEED IN THE CASE.
I DON'T KNOW THE, THE RULES OF PROCEDURE CASE, BUT IF, IF WE SAW THE NEED TO AMEND THEM AND HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING TO DO IT, WE WOULD DO IT.
OTHERWISE, WE COULD PUT IT ON THE AGENDA WHEN WE ARE HEARING CASES TOO.
UH, IT'S A MATTER OF THE BOARD'S TIME, BUT I MEAN, I, I DON'T, MR. CHAIR, I JUST, MAY I ASK A POINT OF INFORMATION HERE, MR. CCI? SO THE RAZ CLAUSES AND THE RESOLUTION THAT IS TITLE ARE, I GUESS, DATED AT LEAST IN OUR REPORT OF MARCH 5TH, 2009.
SECTION ONE AND TWO, I GUESS, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THAT THE REGULAR MEETINGS, WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE BROAD MEETING SETTING, AND UNDER THOSE MEETINGS OCCURS UNDER SECTION ONE SAYS THE ULAR MEETINGS OF THE P LAB TO HEAR APPEALS FROM DENIAL, SUSPENSION, OR REVOCATION OF A LICENSE OR A PERMIT ISSUED BY A CITY DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR UNDER SECTION TWO DASH 96 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE WILL BE HELD ON A MONTHLY BASIS INSTEAD OF ON A BIWEEKLY BASIS.
NOW, I REALIZE THIS WAS ADDRESSING SOMETHING THAT WAS HAPPENING IN 2002 AND ELSE IN THAT PA NINE AND NINE AS WELL, AND SIX, LET'S SAY, LISTED IN THE WHEREAS CLAUSES.
THE REGULAR MEETINGS ARE THE YEAH, WE MEET ONCE A MONTH.
AND IN THOSE MEETINGS THERE'S A SUBSECTION OF THAT MEETING THAT INCLUDES A HEARING.
OBVIOUSLY TODAY WE'RE MEETING, IT'S A, I GUESS, CONSIDERED A SPECIAL MEETING BECAUSE WE'RE MEETING ON THE OFF, NOT ON THE, THE ONE THAT REGULARLY IS DESIGNATED.
AND THEN SECTION TWO SAYS THE REGULAR MEETINGS OF THE P LAB WILL BE HELD ON THE FIRST THURSDAY OF EACH MONTH, WHICH OBVIOUSLY DESIGNATES WHY THIS IS A SPECIAL MEETING TODAY.
BUT WE'RE CLEARLY NOT HAVING A HEARING TODAY.
SO THIS IS MEETING OUR MONTHLY MEETING REQUIREMENT, I GUESS BY SPECIAL MEETING CALLED BY THE CHAIR.
MAY I, SO I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE.
I, I DON'T KNOW THE DISCUSSION WITH YOU AND THE SEC CITY SECRETARY, BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY, I I DON'T SEE ANY, UM, DIFFERENCE IN, IN THE FACT THAT WE'VE APPROVED THIS CALENDAR, THIS IS THE WAY IT SHOULD WORK.
UM, AND IF THERE IS SOMETHING FROM THE CITY SECRETARY THAT SAYS, HEY, YOU'RE GONNA RUN OUT OF A DEADLINE.
'CAUSE THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL TELL US THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RUNNING, YOU'RE BUTTING UP AGAINST A DEADLINE THAT YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE IN THE NEXT MEETING, THEN I WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT'S INCUMBENT UPON YOU AS THE CHAIR TO GO.
AND, AND, AND FROM A PRACTICAL STANCE, WE HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING.
I, SO, BECAUSE WE'RE SO RIGHT.
I MEAN, THAT'S ASSUME THAT'S THE WAY IT'LL WORK.
AND SO, SO THE CHAIR WOULD CALL THAT OKAY.
I THINK 'CAUSE IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT THE CHAIR CALLS THAT.
SO ANYWAY, I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD.
I'M NOT LOOKING TO GET INTO THE DISCUSSION, I GUESS.
NO, THE ISSUE IS WHO CAN CALL THE BOARD, WHICH IT SEEMS PRETTY CLEAR ON SECTION TWO OF THIS RESOLUTION THAT IT SAYS.
ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY.
I, I MEAN, I, I THINK YOU'VE SUMMARIZED WHAT THE ISSUES ARE.
MAY I CLARIFY ALSO IN THOSE TWO SECTIONS IS, UM, SECTION ONE AND SECTION TWO, SECTION ONE REFERENCES IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER TWO DASH NINE SIX MM-HMM
WHICH SPEAKS TO THOSE HEARINGS.
AND THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO CLARIFY THAT THERE, THAT, THAT'S, THAT SECTION IS FOR IF THERE, IF THERE'S A HEARING THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT TO THE BOARD, UM, AND SECTION, UM, IT STATES FOR SUSPENSIONS, DENIALS IN ACCORDANCE WITH TWO DASH NINE SIX.
AND THAT'S IN CHAPTER TWO IS WHERE IT'S, IT STATES, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT THE CITY SECRETARY SHALL CALL THOSE MEETINGS WITHIN A CERTAIN DEBT DEADLINE.
THEN SECTION TWO STATES, THIS DOES NOT SAY, CALL SET SHALL SET, SET THE YES NOT CALL MEETING.
AND THEN, AND THEN, UM, SECTION TWO, IT REFERS TO CHAPTER EIGHT, WHICH GOES BACK TO THE, THE, THE, THE BOARD AND THE CALENDAR.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT ONLY BECAUSE THERE MAY BE INSTANCES WHERE A HEARING FALLS OUTSIDE OF THOSE DATES.
AGAIN, I WILL TRY TO STAY WITH THE BOARD WITH THE CALENDAR DATES, BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR, IF THERE'S A HEARING THAT FALLS OUTSIDE, I DON'T WANT THE BOARD TO COME BACK AND SAY, I THOUGHT WE SAID IT, IT SHOULD BE ONLY ON THOSE TWO DATES.
WELL, NO, THAT, THAT IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
AND FURTHER MY POSITION IS THAT I WILL ACCOMMODATE YOU, BUT WE CALL 'EM.
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A MEETING WERE HELD THAT WAS NOT DULY CALLED, UH, UH, WE SHOULD NOT BE THERE.AND IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO A MINIMUM BEING OVERTURNED.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD DO THAT PRACTICALLY WHEN WE COULD JUST CALL THE MEETING.
BUT WHAT I AM DEFENDING IS THE RIGHT, THE BOARD'S ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO CALL ITS MEETINGS.
UM, UH, SECTION EIGHT TWO, EACH BOARD SHALL DETERMINE THE TIME AND PLACE OF ITS MEETING EIGHT TWO B, UH, THE CHAIR CALLS 'EM SECTION EIGHT THREE SPECIAL MEETINGS MAY BE CALLED BY THE CHAIR AT ANY TIME.
UH, UPON WRITTEN REQUEST OF MEMBERS, WE CAN, UH, NOTICE OF ALL SPECIAL AND REGULAR MEANING THAT THAT'S TOMA UH,
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE CITY CHARTER SECTION SEVEN TO THE COUNCIL ACTUALLY SAYS, SPECIAL MEETINGS SHALL BE CALLED BY THE CITY SECRETARY UPON A WRITTEN REQUEST OF THE MAYOR, THE COUN THE MANAGER, OR THREE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
WHEREAS IT DIDN'T, IT DOESN'T SAY THAT IN THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
UH, UH, AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE MAIN THING IS SECTION 2 9 6, UH, IMPOSES A DOCKETING DEADLINE, UH, BUT NOT A FREESTANDING POWER TO, TO CONVENE WHENEVER THE STAFF WANT.
I MEAN, IT, IT, IS IT, THE, THE STAFF'S ROLE IN THIS CASE IS NOT AN ADMINISTRATIVE BOARD.
THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL BOARD.
AND I, I THINK, AND AGAIN, I WE'LL SIT DOWN YES, YES.
AND ALSO CHAIR, MY, MY APOLOGIES IN ORDER TO STATE GERMANE TO YOUR AGENDA, WE CAN BRING THIS BACK AND DISCUSS IT LATER.
'CAUSE THIS IS KIND OF GETTING OFF YOUR AGENDA.
I JUST WOULD TO ALL OF YOU MAY MAKE CLEAR THAT, THAT THE BOARD AND THE CHAIR HAS NOT CALLED ANY MEETINGS, UH, OTHER THAN WHAT WE HAVE JUST ADOPTED, WHICH MEANS THOSE MEETINGS ARE CALLED, WE JUST DID THAT.
UM, AND THEN ABSENT THE BOARD CALLING, THE MEETING, UM, PEOPLE CAN MEET AND TALK ABOUT ANYTHING THEY WANT.
BUT IT, IT'S NOT A QUASI, IT, IT'S, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE, THE EFFECT OF BEING, UH, BEING A LEGAL, BINDING DECISION.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT TO BE THE, THE POSITION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY, I WOULD, UM, OKAY.
UH, HERE YOU HAVE THE PEOPLE WHO DO THE ACTUAL WORK.
UM, UH, THIS, UH, MS. SANCHEZ, I BELIEVE IS OUR MOST, THERE'S NO CHANGES TO THIS ROSTER AS OF NOW.
UM, SO WE HAVE VACANCIES IN DISTRICT THREE, FOUR, AND 11.
AND, UH, UM, THE NEXT PAGE IS YOUR DEARLY DEPARTED COLLEAGUES, UH, UM, AND, UH, ARE TRAINING, UH, SO THAT YOU'RE SEEING YOUR, YOUR THREE NEW, UM, YOUR THREE NEW MEMBERS HERE.
UH, PLEASE CHECK YOUR ATTENDANCE.
THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO CONTEST IT ON PAGE 18.
UM, ONE OF, ONE OF THE THINGS THE COUNCIL ASKED US TO DO IS TO REVIEW OUR PRIOR YEAR'S GOALS.
UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY, SO WE MET THEM.
UM, SO, UH, WHAT I DID TRY TO DO IS, UH, JUST LOOK AT THE PREVIEW BACK TO 2012 AND, AND SCRUB THE DATA AND, AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND, SEE WHAT I, WHAT I COULD LEARN.
UH, I WAS NOT CAREFUL WITH MY LANGUAGE AND THAT, SO THE AMENDMENTS THAT I WOULD JUST TO CORRECT MYSELF, UH, UH, WOULD, I'M TRYING TO MAKE THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN CASES HEARD AND MEETINGS HAD, UH, ON THIS, THIS CHART.
SO, UH, I WOULD CHANGE SCHEDULED HEARINGS TO SCHEDULED MEETINGS, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT THIS CHART SHOWS.
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CASES DECIDED, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY HEARINGS.SO FOR THE MOST PART, THIS BOARD HEARS ONE CASE A MEETING.
IN A COUPLE OF CASES, THE BOARD'S HEARD TWO, UM, AS MR, UH, MAYBE VICE CHAIR TORRES NOTED THAT WE HAD TWO YEARS OF ABOUT 13, I'M SORRY.
UM, WE HAD ONE YEAR IN 29 OF, I, I BELIEVE OF 19 OF, OF, UH, I THINK IT WAS 14, COULD HAVE BEEN 13 CASES.
UH, BUT WE AVERAGE ABOUT SEVEN, EIGHT, UM, DECISIONS.
UH, WHAT IS NOT REFLECTED, EXCEPT IN THE NEXT CHART, IS THE, UH, CONTENT OF CASES THAT ARE, AND I'M GONNA TRY TO USE THEIR WORDS, THEIR WORDS ARE, WELL, THE, THE CASES THAT ARE PROCESSED BY THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE, BUT NEVER COME BEFORE US.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, LAST YEAR THERE WERE THREE BOARDING HOUSE CASES THAT DID NOT COME BEHIND BEFORE THE BOARD.
AND THAT ONLY MATTERS FROM THE STANDPOINT OF JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF CASES, UH, WHERE, UH, GOING TO HEAR.
UM, SO, UM, SO SCRATCH SCHEDULED HEARINGS, UH, REPLACE MEETINGS ALSO IN NUMBER THREE, SCRATCH HEARINGS, REPLACE MEETINGS.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST, UH, MY FAULT FOR, FOR, UM, LAZY LANGUAGE.
UM, I THINK IT'S INTERESTING THAT WE'VE HAD RECENTLY MORE CANCELLATIONS, I THINK IN PART, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
UH, I, I BELIEVE PEOPLE WILL, WE WILL USE OUR TIME WELL, AND PEOPLE WILL USE OUR TIME WELL, UH, IF THEY DON'T HAVE, UH, A CARTE BLANCHE TO JUST SAY, HEY, WE'D RATHER MEET ON THE 15TH.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO, SO THAT WE, WE WOULD ACCOMMODATE PEOPLE IN AN EMERGENCY.
UH, BUT THAT, UH, AS THE VOLUNTEERS AND THE QUASI-JUDICIAL BOARD, WE, WE WOULD, UH, EXPECT THAT, THAT PEOPLE ADHERE TO THE BOARD'S CALENDAR, UH, AS A, AS A RULE OF THUMB.
UM, UH, THE OTHER THING I NOTICED IS THAT EVEN THOUGH THIS, THIS 20 PAGE, 22 CHART SORT OF LOOKS LIKE IT'S DISTRIBUTED ACROSS COUNCIL DISTRICTS, THEY CLUMP, IT'S NOT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, IN ONE YEAR THERE MIGHT BE A LOT OF D SIX.
AND IN THAT YEAR, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE, UH, THOSE MIGHT BE, UH, LATE NIGHT PERMITS OR HABITUAL, UH, UH, BAD ACTORS.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT REFLECTS WHAT THE CITY ENFORCEMENT STAFF DECIDES THAT THEY VALUE.
UM, BUT IT, IT HAS, AT A MINIMUM, IT HAS HISTORICALLY ROTATED.
UM, UH, SO THIS KIND OF DRIVES OUR OBJECTIVES.
UH, UH, ALTHOUGH, UH, WE HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT, THAT WE'LL GET TO.
UM, THIS SHOWS THE WITHDRAWN SLASH ABANDONED K ON THE FAR RIGHT COLUMN.
AND THE IN THE CENTER DENIED AND GRANTED WILL TELL YOU THE ONES WE ACTUALLY HEARD.
UH, UM, SO THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO SEVEN DECISIONS.
UM, AND ON PAGE 26, UH, UH, MS. BROWN AND, AND MS. SANCHEZ HAVE LAID OUT, UH, MR. CHAIR, JUST A POINT OF INFORMATION AS WELL ON THIS.
SORRY, MR. CIA, PAGE 23, GOING BACK TO THAT, IT SAYS CASE TYPE APPEAL TRENDS SHIFTING.
THESE ARE REPRESENTING, NOT NECESSARILY A HEARING, BUT ACTUALLY AN APPEAL THAT WAS FILED.
IS THAT CORRECT? UH, NO, IT'S THE OPPOSITE.
I DID NOT REFLECT, 'CAUSE IT WAS, THIS, I BELIEVE, REFLECTS ONLY THE THINGS THAT THE BOARD DECIDED.
SO NOT THE, THE ORIGINAL APPEAL FILED, BUT ONLY WHAT CAME BEFORE THE BOARD.
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THIS GOES BACK TO MY QUESTION MARK, AT LEAST THROUGH TEXT OR EMAIL SAYING, I DON'T REMEMBER A BOARDING HOME FACILITY.THAT MAY HAVE BEEN ONE THAT I WAS ABSENT ON.
SO WHERE DO I SHOW THAT ON 2025? DID YOU HAVE ONE? WELL, IT SAYS THAT IN THE PINK
AND WE'RE LOOKING, AND I'M JUST POINTING OUT ON PAGE 42, IT SAYS THAT IT WAS WITHDRAWN.
SO THAT'S WHY I JUST WANTED TO GET CLARIFICATION ON THIS CHART.
UH, THIS MAY BE A QUESTION I NEED TO ASK MS. BROWN AND MS. SANCHEZ, BUT, SO THE REVOCATION, I, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THE, LET'S LOOK AT THE DATA THAT WERE BEING PRESENTED WITH.
SO OF THE SEVEN CASES, THERE WAS A SPECIAL EVENTS A BILL.
UM, NOW LET ME MAKE SURE THAT I'M CORRECT, BECAUSE WHAT THIS WOULD SAY IS APPEAL THAT THAT MADE SEVEN DECISIONS AND SEVEN WERE WITHDRAWN.
ON THAT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT APPENDIX C STARTING ON PAGE 41.
I KNOW I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 25.
UH, BUT APPEND SEED JUST DIVES INTO THE DETAILS.
AND THAT'S WHERE, I GUESS I WAS LOOKING AT THAT RELATED TO THE DENIAL OF BOARDING HOME LICENSE.
AND THEN IT SAID OUTCOME APPEAL WITHDRAWN BY APPELLATE ON NUMBER TWO.
AND THAT'S, I JUST WAS TRYING TO, I'M GOING TO, MAYBE I SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT MY INFORMATION HERE.
SO THIS BAR CHART 20, 25 AND FOUR IS ALL CASES.
I THOUGHT I DIDN'T, SO I'M SORRY.
SO PAGE 23, 23 JUST MEANS THERE WAS AN APPEAL ASKED FOR AND WHETHER IT WAS WITHDRAWN OR HEARD AND DECIDED, THAT'S INCLUDED IN HERE, BUT NOT, THERE'S NO DISTINCTION.
I, I PRESUME IT MEANS THAT IT WAS DULY FILED WITH THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE.
AND, AND THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON, AND I DON'T KNOW, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT KPI, WHETHER HAVING INSIGHT INTO WHY IS SOMETHING
I THINK, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S FINE IN THE APPENDIX.
I JUST WAS WANTING TO KNOW WHAT THIS CHART WAS TELLING ME.
I, I, I GUESS NO, NOT BEING CRITICAL.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
AND THAT'S WHY WHEN YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT BOARDING HOUSE
AGAIN, THE PROBLEM WITH, WITH WRITING THIS REPORT WITHOUT EVER HAVING SAT, UM, YES.
UM, SO I, I BELIEVE TOWARDS THE END OF REVIEWING THIS, WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, OOPS, SORRY.
CAN YOU, I THOUGHT OF WHAT IT IS ON.
UM, SO I ASSUME AFTER WE'RE DONE REVIEWING THIS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO, I GUESS, SET THIS IN MOTION TO HAVE THIS DONE ON A YEARLY BASIS.
IS THAT TRUE? UH, THIS KIND OF ANALYTICS DONE THIS KPIS, WE, GOING FORWARD, WE'RE GONNA SET OBJECTIVES, AND NEXT YEAR WE HAVE TO REVIEW WHETHER HOW WE DID.
AND IF WE DO THAT, I, I'D LIKE TO JUST CALL MAYBE CHANGING CASE TYPE APPEAL TRENDS FROM APPEALS ASKED FOR TO APPEALS HEARD NOW.
UM, SO YOU, YOU THINK THAT'S A LESS HELPFUL, I THINK IT'S A MORE, IT'S A, IT'S A HEALTHIER WAY TO SHOW WHAT WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN.
'CAUSE YOU CAN HAVE PEOPLE SUBMITTING APPEALS AND THEN WITHDRAWING THEM, AND THAT MIGHT BOOST NUMBERS ERRONEOUSLY MAKING YOU THINK THAT BOARDING HOUSES ARE AN ISSUE WHEN THEY'VE BEEN WITHDRAWN AND NOT HEARD, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO IF AN APPEAL'S FILED, BUT WITHDRAWN, IT'S REMOVED FROM THIS BAR CHART.
WE COULD ALSO JUST DO BOTH CHARTS.
THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE PRETTY GOOD TOO.
I JUST, UH, BUT, UM, AT THE END OF THIS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, WE'RE GONNA MAKE APPEAL, UH, AMENDMENTS AND, UM, SO ALL, ALL THAT.
UH, SO LET'S DECIDE, UM, WHETHER THERE IS, SO I, I SHOULD, I, I WANNA JUMP TO NUMBER FIVE.
UM, I CAME UP WITH 90% BECAUSE ONE 12 IS ABOUT 8.3%.
NOW, OBVIOUSLY, IT'S NOT BINDING ON THE ATTENDANCE.
SO I MEAN, THIS IS AN ASPIRATIONAL GOAL, BUT, BUT THE THEORY, UH, IS THAT IF WE'RE HAVING, WE'RE NOT HAVING 24 MEETINGS, UH, THAT YOU HAVE TO, TO, UM, HOLD, UH, SO, AND THAT THESE MEETINGS ARE SCHEDULED ENOUGH AHEAD OF TIME, THAT, THAT, UH, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE SIGNED UP FOR.
AND, UH, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT STUFF HAPPENS,
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YOU KNOW, BUT HAVING A FULL QUORUM, ESPECIALLY MINUS THREE MEMBERS, UH, MEANS ALL OF THE DISTRICTS ARE ACCOUNTED FOR.AND I THINK THAT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT ALSO.
UM, IF YOU'RE HAVING AN APPEAL, YOU'D PROBABLY RATHER HAVE 15 JUDGES RATHER THAN SEVEN.
UH, BUT I SUPPOSE IT DEPENDS ON WHO THE JUDGES ARE.
UM, SO THE FIRST ONE IS VERY IMPORTANT, AND IF ANYONE IS, WOULD LIKE TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS, I, I'LL WARN YOU, IT'S A SLOG.
BUT, UH, MS. CARLISLE AND I, FOR FOR SURE WILL GO THROUGH AND UPDATE.
AND SOME OF THAT IS, IS JUST UPDATING THE, THE CODES IT REFERENCES.
UH, I BELIEVE MR. SNICKS LETTER IS PHENOMENAL AND WOULD PROBABLY JUST INCORPORATE MOST OF THAT INTO THE RULES.
ESSENTIALLY, THAT LETTER IS OPERATING THAT, THAT'S HOW THE BOARD HAS OPERATED MY OPINION.
UH, AND IT'S A GREAT LETTER, UM, TRAINING.
UH, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT IF I SAID YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA GET THE ATTENTION OF SOMEBODY FOR THREE HOURS? I MEAN, IT COULD BE A RETIRED JUDGE WHO HEARD CASES WERE PLAID LOST,
YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE, UH, UH, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY, THAT, THAT THERE ARE, UH, THERE IS A COMMITTEE SOMEWHERE LOOKING AT CHANGING SOME OF THE RULES THAT WE ENFORCE.
AND SO WE'D OBVIOUSLY WANNA BE THERE.
IF THERE WAS A RULING OF, UH, SUPREME COURT RULING AND SOMETHING THAT AFFECTED US, WE WE'D WANNA KNOW.
UM, UM, MR. GONZALEZ, I THINK I, YEAH, I I HAD SENT AN EMAIL TO YOU.
UM, YEAH, I, I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, I THINK CHANGES IN THE CITY CODE, UM, YES.
THAT RELATES TO THAT ENFORCEMENT, THAT FIRST OPTION.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT ONE FOR TRAINING.
I'D BE VERY INTERESTED IN THAT.
YOU, MY, MY, MY POINT IS YOU WOULD KNOW BETTER THAN ME AND ANYBODY IN THE WORLD WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO BE TRAINED ON, BECAUSE IN A, IN, IN THE ACTUAL HEARING, A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S NOT ROOM FOR, FOR DISCUSSION.
SO I'D HAVE TO, I'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT A LITTLE DEEPER AND AND MAYBE SEND YOU A, A, A MORE DETAILED LIST.
JUST, JUST, I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS.
BUT, BUT FOR POSTERITY'S SAKE, QUAS, YOU JUDICIAL AND SHE'LL SEND IT TO ME.
UM, QUESTION OR COMMENT? UH, SURE.
MR. SAN, SO IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR ANY SUGGESTIONS TO ADD TO THIS, IS THAT, IS THAT KINDA YOUR OPEN QUESTION HERE? YEP.
UH, JUST, UH, TRAINING ON REMOVING BIAS IN GENERAL.
SO IF WE'RE ON A QUASI-JUDICIAL BOARD, UM, THE BASICS OF REMOVING BIAS WHEN YOU'RE HEARING JUST A SIMPLE, I HAVE NO, YEAH.
UH, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT I AM, UH, I, I THINK AQUA JUDICIAL BOARD SHOULD REMOVE BIAS
IN TERMS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, CORPORATE TRAININGS THAT WE HAVE AT OUR BANK, WE, WE GO THROUGH A TON OF TRAINING TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT WHEN YOU TAKE AN APPLICATION OF LIKE A MORTGAGE APPLICATION YEAH.
OF A, OF A RACE, YOU'RE DOING IT IN A WAY THAT'S UNBIASED AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRAINED TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE, BUT ON A QUASI-JUDICIAL BOARD, PERHAPS A BASIC TRAINING ON THAT AS WELL.
I, UH, I WOULD ALSO DEFER TO MS. CARLISLE HERE.
I KNOW THAT IS A TOUCHY SUBJECT UH, IN TERMS OF THE CITY'S RULES? WELL, WE, I KNOW THAT THE CITY HAS RECENTLY MADE CHANGES TO COMPLY WITH FEDERAL EDICTS THAT I, I DON'T KNOW.
I'M ASKING, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT SITUATION, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT, WELL, THAT WAS JUST CHANGING LANGUAGE IN THE CODE TO MEET FEDERAL REGULATIONS, BUT RIGHT.
THAT HAS, THAT LANGUAGE IS NOT WITHIN PERMIT, LICENSE AND COURT.
SO I KNOW I USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.
I, I KNOW THAT HAS BEEN SOMETHING THE COUNCIL HAS DEALT WITH, THAT THAT'S, BUT THE PEOPLE GIVING US TRAINING WOULD BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THAT.
IF, IF THIS BOARD IS REQUESTING TRAINING, WE WOULD GET THE APPROPRIATE PERSON TO PROVIDE THAT TRAINING.
AND IN THIS CASE, WITH MR. SACK'S REQUEST, IF THERE WANTS TO BE TRAINING ON MOTIONS AND BIAS, I BELIEVE I CAN PROVIDE THAT TRAINING IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THE BOARD.
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UM, YEAH.UM, YES, MS. SHIN, UM, KIND OF BUILDING OFF MR. SR'S COMMENTS.
AND I THINK HIS TOPIC WOULD BE INCORPORATED IN YOUR SUGGESTED NUMBER THREE OF COMMON MISTAKES THAT QUASI JUDICIAL BOARDS MAKE.
UM, SO WE CAN, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, IS IT YOUR ASK THAT WE COM REVIEW THIS, COMMIT TO A DATE OF TRAINING IN 2026, AND IN THE NEAR FUTURE SEND MS. SANCHEZ LIST OF TOPIC IDEAS? MY ASK TODAY IS THAT WE COMMIT TO HAVING ONE TRAINING YEAH.
AT A, AT A TO BE DETERMINED DATE IN THE YEAR 2026.
ON A TOPIC TO BE DETERMINED IN 26.
BUT, UH, IF THERE ARE, LIKE, IF, IF THE BOARD WANTED TO NARROW IT DOWN TO ONE THING WE COULD TODAY, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S A GREAT, BUT, AND, AND CERTAINLY IT WOULDN'T BE LIMITED TO, TO THE EXAMPLES HERE, BUT THE COMMITMENT WOULD BE TO HAVE A TRAINING SESSION.
UNLESS WE THINK WE KNOW EVERYTHING, IN WHICH CASE WE WON'T.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I, I ACTUALLY, UH, I'M SORRY.
I WAS JUST SAYING, MR. GON, ARE YOU VISIBLE? WE'RE GOOD.
UM, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH THE, UH, UH, BIAS TRAINING.
I THINK THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE SOMETHING VERY, UH, INTERESTING THAT EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THIS BOARD OR ANY BOARD COULD, UH, APPROVE ON, ESPECIALLY WHEN MAKING DECISIONS LIKE THIS.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF.
YOU WANT TO GIVE EXACT LANGUAGE HERE AND WE'LL ADD IT.
UM, JUST REMOVING BIAS, THAT, THAT WAS JUST MY, MY MAIN THEME THERE.
SO IF WE HAVE TRAINING AT THE CITY THAT IS PUSHED TO US AS, UM, BOARD MEMBERS, I'D BE OKAY WITH JUST SATISFYING THAT REQUEST.
'CAUSE WE ARE BEHOLDEN TO THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS OF TRAINING.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S A COURSE THAT'S PUSHED TO US.
IF IT IS, MAYBE THAT COULD SUFFICE FOR IF IT'S A YEARLY ITEM.
AND IF IT'S NOT, MAYBE WE JUST DO IT VOLUNTARY BASED EVERY YEAR.
WE JUST HAVE A TRAINING SESSION ON BIAS IF THAT'S AVAILABLE.
SO I JUST WANT YOUR, UH, YOUR LANGUAGE AS TO HOW WE'RE GONNA ADOPT THIS.
'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA PUT IT IN THE REPORT.
SO, UM, UH, REQUEST FOR CITY ATTORNEYS BIAS TRAINING AND JUST CITY ATTORNEYS LED RELEVANT LEGAL DECISIONS, APPLICABLE COMMON MISTAKES TO HOW ABOUT QUASI, UH, COMMON MISTAKES? A QUASI-JUDICIAL BOARD, UH, REGARDING BIAS, INCLUDING, YEAH.
NOW I NEED THE WORDS INCLUDING BIAS.
SO LATER I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO MAKE THAT AMENDMENT BIAS TRAINING BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
UH, THIS NUMBER SIX IS REALLY A NUDGE TO THE COUNCIL.
DID NOT ANYTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT.
UH, BUT IT'S, IT'S, UH, UH, TO THE EXTENT THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE GOOD AT SERVING ON THIS BOARD, UM, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, SEEM TO HAVE OPINIONS ABOUT, UH, UH, THEIR, UH, OWN ABILITY TO CHOOSE WHO SERVES ON BOARDS, UH, SOMETHING ABOUT THEM BEING THE ELECTED PERSON.
UM, BUT, UH, TO THE EXTENT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE GOOD ON THAT, I THINK, UH, UM, WE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US ARE ABLE TO PROBABLY TOGETHER REACH OUT TO EVERY COUNCIL PERSON.
AND I, I, I BELIEVE THAT, AND I KNOW IT IS NOT NECESSARY THAT THE PERSON LIVE IN THE DISTRICT, THEY'RE APPOINTED FROM, I THINK IT'S OPTIMAL THAT IT IS.
BUT WHAT'S NOT OPTIMAL IS HAVING UNFILLED SEATS.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, UH, IS IT DISTRICT EIGHT? YOUR DISTRICT EIGHT? UH, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE HAS HAD A MEMBER SINCE 2019 UNTIL NOW.
IN THE, IN THE SPIRIT OF BEING REPRESENTED ACROSS THE CITY, UH, ALL OF US KNOW PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE GOOD.
AND IF ASKED WOULD NEVER THOUGHT THAT SOMEBODY WOULD CONSIDER THEM,
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YOU KNOW, WORTHY OF BEING A JUDGE, AND TURNS OUT WE ACTUALLY WOULDUM, SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY ALL I'M SAYING THERE.
SO IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD OR STRIKE IN ADDITION, NUMBER FOUR IS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT OR WHERE WE WILL PROVIDE, UH, THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE, A SET OF STANDING MEETINGS THAT THEY CAN USE ANYTIME THEY NEED TO, UH, DOCKET A CASE, UH, AND COMMIT THAT, THAT IF WE NEED AN EMERGENCY, WE'LL, WE'LL CALL ANOTHER ONE.
THAT THE OTHER COMMITMENT I'LL MAKE IS TO USE, TO NOT USE A SECOND MONTHLY MEETING AS A CREDIT CARD.
THAT WILL ONLY, THAT WILL USE YOUR TIME.
WELL, I MEAN, IF WE HEAR SEVEN CASES, IF WE, YOU KNOW, HEAR SEVEN CASES IN A YEAR, UH, WON'T ASK YOU TO, TO, UH, MARK OFF 24 MORNINGS OF, OF YOUR YEAR.
IT'S EASIER TO CALL EXTRA CASES THAN IT IS TO, UH, HAVE, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, 24 CASES.
SO AT 24 MEETINGS, KNOWING YOU'RE GONNA CANCEL HALF OF THEM, I, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S A, UH, GOOD USE OF, OF MEMBERS' TIME.
NOW, THE BOARD COULD DECIDE THAT THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO HAVE 24 CALLED MEETINGS, AND THAT DON'T JUST TAKE A MAJORITY VOTE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE DISCUSS IN OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE.
MS. SHIN, IN REGARDS TO NUMBER FOUR, ON PAGE 28, IS THERE AN AGREED UPON DEFINITION OF EMERGENCY SITUATION, JUST BECAUSE WE ARE A VOLUNTEER BOARD, AND IS THERE A MINIMUM TIMEFRAME, LIKE NOTICE THAT WE WOULD HAVE FOR PLANNING PURPOSES OF ANY KIND OF SPECIAL MEETING? I BELIEVE THE CITY'S SECRETARY IS PRETTY ADVANCED IN LIKE 30 DAYS.
SO I DON'T, DON'T EXACTLY KNOW.
SO, NO, I'M NOT AWARE OF A LEGAL DEFINITION OF EMERGENCY SITUATION.
UH, BUT, UM, I THINK ONE OF THE, I I DON'T EXPECT THAT OUT OF THE BLUE, SOMEBODY SAYS, HEY, YOU GOT A MEETING.
UH, I MEAN, I'M, I WOULD THINK THAT, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE VERY HARD TO IMAGINE A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE TWO WEEKS AHEAD, WASN'T, UH, AND, AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE COMMITMENT HERE IS THE, THE, THE, UH, THE, THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR WILL WORK WITH THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE TO MAKE SURE THAT EMERGENCIES REALLY ARE EMERGENCIES.
THAT EMERGENCY ISN'T JUST, IT'S CONVENIENT FOR ONE OF THE LITIGANTS TO DO IT, UM, FOR SCHEDULING.
YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S, IT'S, WOULD IT, WOULD IT BE TOO MUCH TO GO AHEAD AND JUST PUT IN THE, THE VERBIAGE OF WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER THE TIMEFRAME FOR THE EMERGENCY? WE COULD SAY 14 DAYS, 10 DAYS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE WANNA DO.
BUT WOULD IT NOT BE, I MEAN, UM, MY OPINION IS THAT I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO RESTRICT THE CITY SECRETARY FROM BEING ABLE TO, I MEAN, IF IT'S AN EMERGENCY, IT'S AN EMERGENCY.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PRACTICAL, THE, THE CONTROLLING THING ON THAT REALISTICALLY IS WHETHER WE CAN GET A QUORUM.
UM, UH, AND, AND FRANKLY, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE COULD EVEN, THAT WE EVEN HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CONTROL THAT.
UM, UM, MR. SACHS, UH, JUST TWO THINGS.
ONE, UM, IS THERE ANY REPERCUSSION IN NOT FULFILLING THESE OBJECTIVES? OR IS IT PURELY A REVIEW AT THE END OF THE YEAR TO SEE HOW WE DID? AND THEN SECOND, UH, I ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO STRIKE SIX OR REPLACE IT WITH, UM, ONE COMMUNICATION TO COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, WITH A SUGGESTION FOR PEOPLE TO FILL THEIR SEATS RATHER THAN ACHIEVE AN AVERAGE MONTHLY.
'CAUSE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A BEARING ON THAT, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU'RE RIGHT.
SO I'D SAY REPLACE THAT WITH, UM, AT LEAST ONE COMMUNICATION TO COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH VACANCIES, LETTING THEM KNOW,
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UH, POSSIBLE SUGGESTIONS FROM, UH, CURRENT COMMISSIONERS FOR FUTURE COMMISSIONERS TO JOIN, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S AN AMENDMENT THAT THE BOARD SHOULD VOTE ON.
IT MAY BE WE SHOULD JUST STRIKE IT.
BECAUSE THE REALITY IS IT'S NOT RIGHT.
IN WHO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS APPOINT.
UH, BUT TO YOUR POINT, TO HAVE 15 FOLKS REPRESENTING ON THIS BOARD, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
THAT GIVES FAIRNESS TO, UM, FOLKS FILING APPEALS.
BUT, UM, TO STRIKE IT ALL TOGETHER, IT'D BE FINE.
BUT I THINK IF YOU WANTED TO KEEP SOMETHING IN SPIRIT OF REPRESENTATION, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE JUST A SINGLE COMMUNICATION TO COUNCIL MEMBERS LETTING 'EM KNOW, HEY, YOU HAVE A VACANCY.
HERE'S WHAT OUR BOARD SUGGESTS IN TERMS OF WHO COULD FILL THAT.
UM, I THINK TO A LARGE DEGREE, THESE DOCUMENTS ARE MEANT TO PROVIDE ROADMAPS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO COME AFTER US.
SO, UH, I, I THINK WELL PUT IT TO THE BOARD.
IT MAY BE THAT IT'S JUST NOT OUR PLACE.
AND, AND WHAT I PROBABLY SHOULD DO IS SAY, HEY GUYS, YOU ALL KNOW PEOPLE, PLEASE, PLEASE ASK THEM.
AND, AND THAT'S PROBABLY, SO I MAY JUST MASSIVELY STRIKE IT.
UM, NUMBER ONE, UH, COMES FROM JUST WE, UH, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO POST OUR MINUTES ON OUR WEBSITE.
AND, UM, THIS IS REALLY AN A, A NOT SO SUBTLE NUDGE TO THE COUNCIL SAYING, IF THE PROBLEM IS, UH, FUNDING OR, OR, YOU KNOW, HEY, FOCUS ON IT.
I DON'T, IT'S MORE, IF IT EVER LATER COMES TO IT AND SAY, LOOK, WE'VE PUT IT IN THE REPORT.
WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR A LONG TIME, AND WE NEED THE PEOPLE WHO HELP US TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO HELP US.
MR. CUCH
I, I WAS THE, THE, THE GENERAL ABILITY, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE WEBSITE THAT LISTS MEMBERS.
UM, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE STAFF HAS, DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO UPDATE THAT FOR US, UH, UH, TO KEEP IT CURRENT, YOU MEAN? YEAH.
AND, AND, AND THAT WAS A, A, A PROBLEM WE DEALT WITH AT BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AS WELL.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF RESOURCES, A LOT OF PEOPLE ASKING FOR THAT.
AND I, BUT, BUT FRANKLY, THE, IF THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE CAN'T CONTROL THE POSTING OF THE, I DON'T KNOW WHO CAN, UM, RIGHT.
AND, AND, UH, DIRECTLY, WE, WE DO NEED TO POST OUR MINUTES ONCE THEY'RE APPROVED, THAT SHOWS OUR DECISION.
LIKE WE HAVE THAT OBLIGATION, UH, AS OPPOSED TO TELLING SOMEBODY TO MAKE AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST, WHICH IS, UH, BUT WE, WE NEED, WE CAN GO IN THIS LOOP WHERE WE SAY, WE GOTTA DO IT.
SO THIS IS, HEY, WE'VE BEEN ASKING, SO I GUESS CURRENTLY THAT IT WOULD BE THE POINT OF INFORMATION.
DO WE HAVE ALL OF THE DECISIONS POSTED RIGHT NOW FROM YOUR RESEARCH? UM, LET'S LOOK AT, YEAH.
LET THE CURRENT PAGE RIGHT NOW, UH, OVER THERE.
I WOULD, AND, AND BOARD MEMBERS, I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT OUR OFFICE, WE DO HAVE MINUTES OF ALL OF OUR BOARDS, MAJORITY OF OUR BOARD CITY BOARDS.
UM, OUR OFFICE RECENTLY CHANGED, UH, SYSTEMS, BOARD SYSTEMS, AND RIGHT NOW IT'S TAKEN DOWN.
SO IF YOU WERE TO GO TO OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WEBSITE, IT SHOWS UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR SOME, SOME LANGUAGE.
UH, WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO, UM, PUSHING THAT, UH, REOPENING THAT WEB WEBPAGE.
AND WHEN IT, WHEN IT'S OUT THERE AND WHEN IT'S BACKED LIVE, IT WILL LIST YOUR, YOUR MINUTES.
THIS IS MORE OF AN ATTEMPT TO SUPPORT THAN COMPLAINT? YES.
IS IS A WORK MORE INFORMATION IF POSSIBLE.
WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY WORKING ON THAT WEBPAGE, SO, OKAY.
WOULD YOU PREFER THAT WE STRIKE THIS? IT'S THE BOARD'S DECISION.
EITHER WAY, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON IT.
WELL, I KNOW, BUT, BUT WE'RE, YOU CAN HOLD US TO IT OR YOU, I, I CAN GUARANTEE WE'RE, WE'RE WE, WE'LL HAVE THAT UP SHORTLY.
I MEAN, THIS, THIS IS A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA ASK THE COUNCIL FOR.
SO NOT YOU COULD, IT'S, IT'S NOT THERE NOW.
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I, YOU COULD KEEP IT AND IT'S, IT'LL HOLD US TO IT.AND I NEED TO MISS HILA, I'M REALLY SORRY.
UH, THE TURNS OUT, WE DO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES IN, UH, DISTRICT TWO.
UH, SO MS. HAYA IS OUR REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO.
SO, UM, UH, THIS AGAIN, IS A NUDGE TO COUNCIL MEMBERS.
ARE THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU, YOU'D LIKE TO TELL THE COUNCIL THAT IS WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE BOARD? YES,
UM, SO ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE, IS THIS MR. GONZALEZ? YES.
I ASSUME THAT, THAT, THAT YOU CAN BE SEEN.
SORRY, IS THERE, WELL, FOR, FOR CLARIFICATION.
'CAUSE I WAS WONDERING, ON ZOOM, I, IN PERSON I KNOW HOW TO, YOU KNOW, NOTICE TO BE RECOGNIZED.
IS THERE A WAY THAT ANY, WE NEED TO DO THAT ON ZOOM OR VIA THIS, THE WEB THAT, YOU KNOW, I HATE JUST INTERRUPTING.
IS THERE A WAY, WAY THAT IS EASIEST TO, TO BE RECOGNIZED? UM, I'M GONNA DEFER TO THE STAFF SIDE.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE HAVE THE HAND RAISED.
FRANKLY, IT'S VERY HARD FOR, FOR ME TO SEE.
SO RAISE, RAISE THE HAND ON THE, OKAY.
I HATE, I HATE JUST TO INTERRUPT,
NO, IT, IT IS, AND IT, IT'S, UH, IN MY PREVIOUS BOARD, WE DID NOT HAVE THAT ABILITY.
SO IT LITERALLY WAS PEOPLE WAVING THEIR HANDS, AND IT REQUIRED A FULL-TIME PERSON JUST TO WATCH FOR THAT
UH, SO IN THE FUTURE, I WILL HAVE THE, UM, THE WEBEX UP ON MY COMPUTER SO I CAN SEE IT.
AND, UH, AND THANK YOU FOR, FOR, UH, DOING THAT.
SO ACCORDING TO ROBERT, RULES OF ORDER, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO SPEAK, YOU WOULD SAY EITHER POINT OF INFORMATION, UM, UH, POINT OF QUESTION.
THAT WAY YOU COULD BE RECOGNIZED VERSUS RAISING HANDS.
IT JUST MAKES IT A LITTLE CLEANER.
UM, AND, AND YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU DON'T, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY INFORMAL TODAY, BUT IN, IN, UH, HEARINGS, UH, WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH A CASE, IT, IT'S TRUE.
YOU, UH, YOU, YOU, UH, DO NOT SPEAK WITHOUT RECOGNITION OF THE CHAIR OR THE PRESIDING OFFICER.
UM, UH, AND THAT THERE SHOULD BE, THERE ARE ONLY A COUPLE OF PRIVILEGED, UH, SITUATIONS.
UH, UM, A POINT OF ORDER BEING ONE, UM, AND POINT OF INFORMATION BEING A SECOND ONE, UH, I PORT OF, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK.
UH, UH, POINT OF INFORMATION IS PROBABLY ACTUALLY A POINT OF ORDER.
UH, BUT I, I WILL, UH, LOOK AT 'EM AND, AND, UH, ASK THE PARLIAMENTARIAN.
I, I BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, A POINT OF ORDER IS LIMITED TO, HEY, ARE WE FOLLOWING THE RULES? UM, A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE IS WHEN SOMEONE HAS SLANDERED YOU.
UM, I'M NOT AWARE OF A POINT OF INFORMATION, FRANKLY, BUT, UM, WE COULD DO, WE COULD DO A TRAINING ON RULES OF ORDER.
WELL, I MEAN, I, I, I KNOW MOST OF THEM, AND I, I SHOULD, UH, BUT THE, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT IN ORDER TO SPEAK, YOU HAVE TO BE RECOGNIZED FIRST.
AND, UM, UH, I, YOU KNOW, THESE RULES ARE MEANT TO ENSURE A SMOOTH MEETING AND EFFICIENT MEETING AND NOT MEANT TO SILENCE MEMBERS.
SO, UH, UM, SO WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT HOW TO DO IT.
UH, HOWEVER, THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE AND NOT APPROPRIATE AT DIFFERENT TIMES.
AND ONCE WE'RE IN THE HEARING, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE MOTIONS THAT ARE PRIVILEGED, AND THEN THERE IS THE TIME WHEN WE ARE ALLOCATED TO SPEAK.
UM, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, UH, WE ARE, WE ARE NOT HEARING A CASE, UH, RIGHT NOW.
SO, UH, I SEE THAT MR. GONZALEZ WOULD LIKE TO BE RECOGNIZED.
SO, MR. GONZALEZ, YOU WERE RECOGNIZED.
YES, I'M, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, BUT I KNEW THAT TODAY WAS NOT NECESSARILY A HEARING, SO THAT'S WHY I WASN'T SURE.
YEAH, I JUST DIDN'T WANNA INTERRUPT.
SO, BUT I UNDERSTAND IN A NORMAL SETTING HOW THAT WOULD OPERATE.
ANYWAY, MY POINT,
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UM, THE SUMMARY OF THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDATIONS.ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE NOTICED SINCE BEING ON THIS, UH, BOARD IS WE TEND TO GET, SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES SEEM TO BE REPEATS, UH, YEAR AFTER YEAR, AND JUST THE NATURE OF THEIR BUSINESS, UM, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO, THEIR PERMIT WILL BE DENIED, AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE TO BE AN APPEAL.
AND I KNOW THAT AFTER SO MANY YEARS, THEY CAN HAVE A LONGER, UM, UH, EXEMPTION OR THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GIVE THEM A LONGER EXEMPTION.
BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, UH, IF ANYONE HERE AGREES, IS, UH, DO A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE COUNCIL UNDERTAKE A REVIEW OF THE CURRENT CODE, UM, PROVISIONS THAT RELATE TO THESE PERMIT APPEALS.
UM, FOR BUSINESSES THAT ARE GOOD STANDING, UM, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY GIVE US THE ABILITY TO AUTHORIZE, UH, OR GRANT PERMIT APPEALS FOR LONGER DURATIONS.
UM, LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES WHO COME YEAR AFTER YEAR, UM, IT, IT'S, I DON'T WANNA SAY IT'S A WASTE OF, BUT IT IS, IT'S A WASTE OF TIME FOR THEM AND FOR US WHEN THEY'RE, THEY'RE A GOOD STANDING BUSINESS.
UH, I THINK WE ALL KNOW, OR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN ON THIS BOARD AND, AND THESE CASES, WE ALL KNOW WHICH ONES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT THEY HAVE TO COME BACK YEAR AFTER YEAR.
SO, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY, UH, APPETITE TO DO A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL TO UNDERTAKE THAT REVIEW.
MS. CARLISLE, WHAT WOULD THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO DO THAT? WHAT WOULD BE WE ASK THE, AS YOU SAID, ASK THE COUNCIL.
I KNOW IT'S NOT WITHIN OUR PURVIEW, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T ASK THE COUNCIL TO, UM, I DON'T KNOW OF THE APPROPRIATE PROCEDURE, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN BRING UP TO STAFF AND WORK AND REQUEST FROM A DEPARTMENT TO BRING THAT FORTH TO CITY COUNCIL TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE PERFECT.
I, THAT'S JUST MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE, WE RECOMMEND THAT, UH, WE RECOMMEND THAT TO THE COUNCIL, JUST FOR THEM TO TAKE A, AN EXTRA LOOK AT.
AND IF THAT GOES THROUGH, THROUGH STAFF TO DO THAT, I THINK THAT'S GREAT TOO.
UM, THE REST OF THE REPORT IS THE DRILL DOWN, UH, ON THE, UH, THE DATA, UH, THAT WAS SUMMARIZED, UH, EARLIER.
UM, AND THE, UM, THE CODE THAT AUTHORIZES US, UH, AND THE, THE DECISIONS WE MAKE.
UM, SO, UM, I, I THINK IN ORDER TO DO AMENDMENTS, WE FIRST HAVE A, HAVE TO HAVE AN MOTION.
MOVE TO ADOPT THE, SORRY, LET ME ASK MY ATTORNEY.
I HAVE IT IN, IS THERE ANOTHER ONE WE OUGHT TO FORMALLY, UH, JUST MAKE SURE EVERYONE AGREES.
SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
UM, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE, THERE WOULD BE A COUPLE OF AMENDMENTS, MOTION TO YES, THERE'S A MOTION TO APPROVE THE 2025 PERMANENT LICENSE APPEAL BOARD, ANNUAL REPORT WITH AMENDMENTS, WHICH I BELIEVE, AND I GUESS I'LL RELY ON THE REST OF THE BOARD FOR AMENDMENTS IN TAB FIVE, TAB SIX, AND TAB SEVEN.
UH, SO IS THERE A SECOND TO MR. CIZ? MOTION TO SECOND.
UH, SO DISCUSSION, UM, I GUESS THIS IS THE AMENDMENT PART.
IT APPEARS TO BE THAT WE HAVE MADE RECOMMENDATIONS TO, WOULD, WOULD YOU LIKE TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT? YES.
I WAS ACTUALLY GONNA DISCUSS WHAT I BELIEVE ARE THE AMENDMENTS.
SO, SO IT'S YOUR MOTION, MR. CILLA? SURE.
SO THE DISCUSSION AND REASON FOR TABBING THESE, OR IDENTIFYING THE TABS, BUT NOT SAYING THE SPECIFIC AMENDMENTS IS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT AMENDMENTS, WHAT WAS DISCUSSED.
BUT WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN DOWN IS A NUMBER ONE UNDER TAB FIVE, IT'S PAGE 20.
INSTEAD OF IT SAYING SCHEDULED HEARINGS, IT SHOULD SAY, SHOULD SAY SCHEDULED MEETINGS.
AND NUMBER THREE OF TAB FIVE, PAGE 20, IT STARTS OUT WITHIN 2025, 13 MATTERS WERE SCHEDULED FOR HEARING.
AND THAT HEARING SHOULD BE TRIC STRICKEN.
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WORD MEETINGS SCHEDULED FOR MEETINGS.UM, I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT THE TITLE OF THE, UH, UH, CHART SHOULD, UH, BE SCHEDULED MEETINGS, YOU KNOW.
AND IN, AND IN, UH, SECTION ONE, THE CHART UNDER TAB FIVE, PAGE 20, THE TITLE SHOULD BE CHANGED.
CURRENTLY IT SAYS 2024 DASH 2025, SURGE AND SCHEDULED HEARINGS.
IT SHOULD, HEARINGS SHOULD BE STRICKEN, AND IT SHOULD SAY UNSCHEDULED MEETINGS DESPITE STABLE CASELOAD TO FINISH OUT THE TITLE.
UM, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE AT LEAST WRITTEN DOWN FOR TAB FIVE.
LET ME ALSO ADD THAT WE STR, OH, I, YOU'RE NOT FINISHED.
NO, I WAS JUST, BUT I JUST WANNA SAY FOR TAB FIVE, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE AND, AND I GUESS I'M LOOKING AT THE BOARD TO SEE IF NO, SOMEBODY, YEAH, GO AHEAD.
ADD CASE TYPE, APPEAL, TREND SHIFTING.
UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE ALL APPEALS SUBMITTED.
UH, ADD ANOTHER ONE THAT SAYS, ALL APPEALS FOR TAB FIVE, PAGE 23, A NEW NEW CHART.
YOU WANT TO DO THAT THIS YEAR OR? YEAH, WE HAVE THE DATA.
DO WE HAVE THE DATA? I BELIEVE, I, I BELIEVE THIS IS ALL OF THEM EXTRACTED.
YOU WANT THE ONES JUST EXTRACTED, DECIDED.
AND I WILL, SO THEN WE WILL INCLUDE AS THAT AMENDMENT TO TAB FIVE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON PAGE 23, A CHART THAT SAYS CASE TYPE APPEAL TRENDS SHIFTING.
AND WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS CREATE TWO CHARTS OUT OF THAT ONE CHART, ONE THAT IDENTIFIES ALL THE APPEALS THAT WERE MADE, BUT DID, I GUESS FOR WHATEVER REASON, DID NOT GO FORWARD WITH A HEARING.
THE CORRECT WORD IS PROCESSED.
SO WE'RE, AS WE'RE ASKING THE CITY STAFF, IT'S WHATEVER THE CORRECT WORDING IS THAT THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED.
UH, THAT IT WOULD BE CASE TYPE APPEAL, TREND SHIFTING, I GUESS IT WOULD BE, UH, AND MAYBE PUT IN THE PARENTHESES OR, UM, AS A DASH PROCESSED.
AND THEN THE NEXT CHART WOULD BE CASE TYPE OF APPEAL TREND SHIFTING.
LET, LET ME PROCESS IN WHAT, WHAT'S THE PROCESS AND HEARD? YEAH.
SO THE TWO CHARTS MADE OUT OF THIS ONE CHART ON PAGE 23, 1 WOULD BE TITLED CASE TYPE APPEALS 2022 DASH 2020.
AND THEN IT WOULD HAVE ANOTHER PARENTHESES THAT SAYS PROCESSED.
SO WHAT THAT WOULD DO IS MY UNDERSTANDING WHAT PROCESSED MEANS IS I GLANCE OVER TO THE STAFF WOULD BE THAT IT WOULD BE THIS CHART RIGHT HERE, BECAUSE THESE WERE ALL PROCESSED, WHETHER THEY WERE HEARD OR NOT IS NOT DISTINGUISHED IN THIS CURRENT CHART.
IS THAT CORRECT? CASE TYPE APPEAL PROCESSED.
OR YOU COULD DO THAT TOO AND FORGET TRIM SHIFTING.
AND JUST SAY CASE TYPE APPEALS PROCESSED.
I'M, I'M AGREEING TO THAT AMENDMENT.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE TITLE, THE NEW TITLE FOR THIS CHART.
AND NOW THERE'S GOING TO BE CREATED ANOTHER CHART, IF POSSIBLE FOR ECONOMIES OF PAPER.
WE WOULD PUT IT ON THE SAME PAGE.
HEY, AT SOME POINT YOUR AUTHOR IS, I GOT YOU.
I'M NOT, NOT CRITICIZING THE AUTHOR AT ALL.
IT'S BETTER TO EDIT, AS WE SAY, AS LAWYERS
UM, THE, THE CHART, WHETHER IT'S ON THE SAME PAGE OR A SEPARATE PAGE, IT WOULD BE CASE TYPE APPEAL HEARD.
NOW DO WE WANT TO SAY HEARD OR DECIDED? DECIDED? PROBABLY BECAUSE THAT'S, THERE WAS YEAH.
WE'RE, WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT, UH, WELL, THERE, THERE WE'RE NOT JUST HEARING STUFF AND NOT DECIDING.
THERE IS AN EFFICIENCY METRIC THAT WE COULD HAVE.
THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE DO IN CASES WE HEAR? I, I DON'T, I THINK THAT, UH, FOR SAKE OF, FOR SAKE OF US BEING ABLE TO IDENTIFY 12 MONTHS LATER, YEAH.
WE COULD SAY, HEARD AND DECIDE IT.
AND THEN IT WOULD HAVE CASE TYPE APPEAL.
HEARD 21? NO, PER 2 0 2 2 DASH 2 0 2 5.
WELL, WHAT I WAS GONNA SUGGEST IS WE WOULD ADD THE WORD TWO WORDS AND DECIDE IT.
HEARD AND DECIDE IT, THEREFORE, OKAY.
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UM, NOW MOVING ON TO TAB SIX.TAB SIX IS MY UNDERSTANDING, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ON NUMBER TWO AT THE END OF NUMBER THREE, THAT'S IN THERE ON PAGE 28.
IT STARTS WITH NUMBER THREE, STARTS UNDER NUMBER TWO.
THREE STARTS WITH COMMON MISTAKES THAT QUASI JUDICIAL BOARDS MAKE.
AND I WOULD, WHAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, AND WHICH SHOULD BE YOU NUMBER TWO, SUB THREE? YEAH, SURE.
2.3, I GUESS IS WHAT, SORRY? COMMON MIS REPEATING AGAIN.
COMMON MISTAKES THAT QUASI-JUDICIAL BOARDS MAKE, COMMA, AND THE WORDS SHOULD BE INCLUDING, INCLUDING BIAS TRAINING BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
AND THEN WHAT WE'VE ALSO DISCUSSED, ALTHOUGH IT IS A GOAL, IT WOULD BE A SILENT GOAL OR A GOAL NOT WRITTEN.
HOW ABOUT THAT? WE'RE GONNA STRIKE SIX WOULD BE STRIKING NUMBER SIX ON PAGE 28.
THAT SAYS, ACHIEVE AN AVERAGE MONTHLY VACANCY RATE OF 0% AND ENSURE ANY VACANCY IS FILLED WITHIN 60 DAYS.
AND I GUESS FOR SAKE OF REASONING, BECAUSE WE KNOW WE DO NOT HAVE CONTROL OF THAT, ALTHOUGH WE WILL ENCOURAGE, AND THE BOARD WILL HOPEFULLY MAKE SUGGESTIONS TO THEIR BOARD MEMBERS OR OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, THEY KNOW THAT, HEY, HERE'S SOME GOOD PEOPLE YOU SHOULD PICK OR THINK ABOUT.
I KNOW, YOU KNOW, SMART PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE GOOD SERVANTS.
WHAT I HAVE IS THE LAST AMENDMENT, AND IT WOULD CHANGE DISTRICTS, OH, CHANGE THE DISTRICT.
SO WE HAVE TWO, THREE, AND 11 LISTED CURRENTLY ON NUMBER THREE, PAGE 30.
AND ACCORDING TO WHAT WE HAVE ON, JUST SO WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE PULLING THIS FROM MM-HMM
ON TAB FOUR, IT SEEMS TO INDICATE TO US THAT THE VACANCIES ARE ACTUALLY THREE OR, OR EXCUSE ME, DISTRICT THREE, DISTRICT FOUR, AND DISTRICT 11.
SO WE JUST NEED TO EDIT THAT INSTEAD OF TWO.
SO IT SHOULD BE DISTRICTS THREE, COMMA FOUR AND 11 WITH, UH, HEARTFELT APOLOGIES TO MS. AYALA.
I'M SORRY, ON THE RECORD THERE.
I DID NOT CATCH ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS AS WE DISCUSSED THIS.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, IF YOU GIMME A SECOND.
UM, A SPELL CHECK GOT ME ON PAGE 20.
ON PAGE 21, THE WORD YOUR IS MEANT TO BE OUR, UM, UNDER NUMBER.
IT'S, UH, UNDER NUMBER THREE, BUT IT'S AT THE TOP.
SO IT SHOULD SAY THAT IS EXACTLY THE DYNAMIC THAT OUR, NOT YOUR DY.
SO IT SHOULD BE THAT IS EXACTLY THE DYNAMIC.
IT'S JUST, I MEANT HOWEVER, SO THE, THIS, HOW ABOUT THIS POLICY IS DESIGNED TO CORRECT AND SO ON.
SO THE AMENDMENT IS, THAT IS EXACTLY THE DYNAMIC.
THIS POLICY IS DESIGNED TO CORRECT.
THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD READ ON PAGE 21.
AND I DO HAVE A FINAL, GIVE ME A MINUTE THAT, UM, PAGE 10, IN ORDER TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT WE'RE NOT, IT'S NOT OUR INTENTION TO TRY TO CHANGE LAWS.
UM, UM, UM, UM, I, I ASKED, UM, MS. SANCHEZ AND, AND MS. BROWN TO, TO INSERT A, JUST A, A BASIC, HEY, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS AND, AND WHEN, WHICH IS WHAT THEY DID.
UM, I WOULD, UM, ADD THIS SENTENCE, UH, TO WHICH HEADING TO PROCESSING.
SO THE PROCESSING PAGE 10 UNDER, I GUESS WOULD BE TAB TWO.
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UM, AT THE END OF JUST APPEND THE CITY'S SECRETARY'S OFFICE SETS, HEARING DATES TO SATISFY APPLICABLE ORDINANCE DEADLINES, WHICH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.HEARINGS OCCUR ONLY AT PLA MEETINGS CONVENED UNDER CHAPTER EIGHT, REGULAR MEETINGS SET BY THE BOARD.
AND SPECIAL MEETINGS CALLED BY THE CHAIR.
I DON'T WANT TO CREATE ANY UNCERTAINTY ABOUT, UM, WHAT YOU JUST READ WAS THE SENTENCE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD.
DID ANYBODY ELSE CATCH ANYTHING? UH, OKAY.
UM, I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THE AMENDMENT THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, WHICH WOULD BE UNDER TAB SEVEN, UH, PAGE 30.
IT WOULD BE ADDING A FOURTH, UH, UH, NUMBER THERE ON THE SUMMARY OF THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE ADDING IS THE, UH, RECOMMEND THAT THE COUNCIL UNDERTAKE A REVIEW OF THE CURRENT CODE PROVISIONS RELATED TO APPEALS PROCESS FOR BUSINESSES IN GOOD STANDING, UH, WITH CONSIDERATION GIVEN THROUGH AUTHORIZING THE PLA TO GRANT PERMIT APPEALS FOR LONGER DURATIONS THAN CURRENTLY ALLOWED SINCE THIS IS MR. C'S AMENDMENT.
I WILL, UH, DEFER TO HIM AS TO WHETHER HE'D LIKE TO INCLUDE THAT IN HIS AMENDMENT.
NOTHING WITH STY IF HE DOESN'T MAKE A STATE.
I, YEAH, I'M TRYING TO THINK THROUGH.
SO THE, I, SO THE IDEA JUST TO BE, I GUESS AS WE'RE IN DISCUSSION POINT CHAIR AND YOU HAD AUTHORED OR AT LEAST PUT THIS TOGETHER, THANK YOU
LIKE I, I, NO, BUT THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD, THEREFORE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL.
THESE ARE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL.
CAN YOU READ THAT ONE MORE TIME, MR. GONZALEZ? SURE.
I'LL, I'LL, I'LL READ THE, WHAT I'M PROPOSING AS THE, YOU KNOW, THE VERBIAGE, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT'S WHAT I SAID EARLIER.
IT'S JUST RECOMMENDING THAT THEY TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT, AT THE, UH, THE CURRENT CODE AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY, UH, PLACES FOR ADJUSTMENTS THAT CAN MAKE IT EASIER, NOT ONLY FOR US, BUT FOR THE BUSINESSES.
BUT LET ME READ YOU MY, MY VERBIAGE.
I, I WROTE IT DOWN, SORRY, ON HERE TO BE A LITTLE MORE CONCISE.
UM, SO IT'S RECOMMENDS THAT THE COUNCIL UNDERTAKE A REVIEW OF THE CURRENT CODE PROVISIONS RELATED TO THE PERMIT APPEALS PROCESS FOR BUSINESSES AND GOODS STANDING WITH CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO AUTHORIZING THE PLA TO GRANT PERMIT APPEALS FOR LONGER DURATIONS THAN CURRENTLY ALLOWED.
UM, I GUESS WE'LL SEE IN THE VOTE.
I'M FINE WITH THAT BEING AN AMENDMENT AND ADDING THAT, AND WE'LL SEE IN THE VOTE FROM THE BOARD.
I'M FINE WITH THE CONCEPT, THE WORDING.
I, I MIGHT JUST ASK YOU TO YEAH.
TO WRITE IT AND EMAIL IT TO MS. SANCHEZ.
SO I GUESS I, YEAH, I GUESS I, I GUESS IN AN AMENDMENT GENERALLY, YOU'RE GIVING SPECIFICS, BUT YEAH, WE DO HAVE A RECORD, IN FACT, AND WE DO DO, YEAH.
WOULD, WOULD IT BE EASY, MS. SANCHEZ, OR, OR FOR ANYONE HERE, IF I PUT THIS INTO THE, THE CHAT OF THE, UH, THE WEB NEXT HERE, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER, I DON'T THINK THAT GETS CAPTURED OR MAYBE, YEAH.
AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S CAPTURED ON OUR RECORD.
I, I THINK I WOULD PREFER YOU EMAIL IT TO MS. SANCHEZ AND WE WILL READ IT INTO THE RECORD.
CITY OF, UH, SECRETARY IS NOT, UH, I CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT IF THAT'S, IS THAT OKAY? THAT'S FINE.
SO IF YOU'LL DO THAT, UM, AS, I GUESS MY ONLY, SO WHAT I SAY, AND FOR THE RECORD, I'M FINE WITH THE AMENDMENT OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO IT.
UM, AS LONG AS IT'S KEPT AS A RECOMMENDATION.
UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THIS IS OUR AMENDMENT THAT I'VE PROPOSED TO THE BOARD.
IF THE BOARD DOESN'T, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE VOTING ON ALL OF THIS.
SO IF THEY DECIDE THAT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING APPROPRIATE, EVEN FOR, EVEN FOR A RECOMMENDATION, I GUESS CLEARLY THEY CAN VOTE.
WE CAN VOTE IT DOWN AND WE CAN SAY THE AMENDMENT SANDS OR WITHOUT A CERTAIN AMENDMENT.
THE PROCEDURE OPERATES THAT WAY.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE AS AMENDMENTS.
YOUR CHAIR, MR. GONZALEZ, IS YOUR HAND STILL UP OR WAS IT OH, NO, I HAVE NOT REMOVED THAT.
UM, SO, UM, FRANKLY, WE WILL WAIT ON THAT EMAIL TO BE SENT TO MS. SANCHEZ.
AND, AND, UH, I'LL ASK MR. CILLA TO READ IT INTO HIS MOTION AND WE WILL THEN VOTE.
I'M, I'M, I'M PUTTING THAT IN THERE RIGHT NOW.
I'M TRYING TO DO IT VIA MY PHONE.
UH, SO MY CAMERA DOESN'T, UH, GO OFF ON THE COMPUTER.
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SECOND.I MEAN, THIS FOR THE RECORD, I'M, I AM FULLY RELYING THAT, THAT HE IS LEGALLY ON VIDEO AND THEREFORE ALL OF THIS ACTUALLY COUNTS FOR THE RECORD BECAUSE OUR, OUR THING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, YEAH.
HE, HE, BECAUSE HE IS NOT PRESENT, UH, TO WRITE IT.
I, I WOULD, UH, PREFER FOR, FOR THE SAKE OF ACCURACY THAT IT GO THROUGH, UH, MS. SANCHEZ, SO THAT WE CAN READ THE DIRECT AMENDMENT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT, UH, IT IS OUR RECORD THAT WILL, THAT WILL SHOW, UH, YES.
SO, UH, MS. SANCHEZ SHOULD BE RECEIVING THAT IN THE NEXT FEW SECONDS.
WHAT'S THAT? NOTHING YOU LIKE TO WELL, WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW.
UM, MS. TORRES DID SAY, OH, YOU'RE RIGHT.
FOR, FOR THE RECORD, MS. TORRES HAS LEFT US.
I KNOW SHE HAD A HEARING, UH, SHE HAD TO BE AT.
BUT SHE'S HERE WELL ABOVE 50% OF THE TIME FROM THE COUNTY.
AND HAS, HAS MS. SANCHEZ RECEIVED THAT EMAIL? DID IT GO THROUGH? SHE HAS, UH, OKAY.
WE MAY JUST ASK, UH, MR. ILLA TO READ IT INTO THE RECORD.
SO, MR. CHAIR, WHAT I UNDERSTAND AND WHAT I'M READING FROM MR. GONZALEZ'S, UM, DOCUMENT, OR EXCUSE ME, EMAIL TO MS. SANCHEZ, THE RECOMMENDATION IS RECOMMEND THAT THE COUNSEL UNDERTAKE A REVIEW OF THE CURRENT CODE PROVISIONS RELATED TO THE PERMANENT APPEALS PROCESS FOR BUSINESSES AND GOOD STANDING WITH CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO AUTHORIZE IN THE P LAB TO GRANT PERMANENT APPEALS FOR LONGER DURATIONS.
I GUESS REALLY WHAT IT, IF YOU'RE FINE WITH A CHANGE TO GRANT PERMANENT APPEALS, I GUESS JUST FOR LONGER DURATIONS.
FOR LONGER DURATIONS THAN CURRENTLY ALLOWED.
I THINK THE LANGUAGE IS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA MAKE YOU START OVER WHEN YOU'RE DONE.
I WAS JUST THINKING THROUGH, I WAS READING IT OUT LOUD.
SO, TO GRANT, IS IT TO GRANT, IT'S NOT TO GRANT GRANTING APPEALS.
WE'RE NOT GRANTING APPEALS THAT WE ARE.
WAIT, SEE, I WAS GONNA SAY, SO LET ME, HERE'S WHAT I'D SAY.
IF YOU'RE FINE WITH IT, JUST LISTEN TO MR. GONZALEZ HERE.
THE LANGUAGE I'D LIKE TO ADD IN THE AMENDMENT OR IN MY AMENDMENT FOR, FOR PAGE 30, IT WOULD BE LISTED AS NUMBER FOUR.
THESE ARE BOARD RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL WOULD BE NUMBER FOUR, RECOMMEND THAT THE COUNCIL UNDERTAKE A REVIEW OF THE CURRENT CODE PROVISIONS RELATED TO THE PERMANENT APPEALS PROCESS FOR BUSINESSES IN GOOD STANDING WITH CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO AUTHORIZING THE P LAB TO GRANT LONGER DURATIONS OF EXCEPTIONS RELATED TO APPEALS THAN CURRENTLY ALLOWED.
THAT'S CORRECT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE ACTUALLY DO.
UH, THAT'S THE, WHAT I HAVE IS THE AMENDMENT AND WHAT I'VE PUT INTO THE RECORD.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT I PRESENT TO THE BOARD.
MR. ILLA, SINCE, SINCE WE'RE AT IT, WOULD YOU, UH, INCLUDE A, A, UM, SUGGESTION THAT WE CHANGE SUMMARY OF THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION TO SUMMARY OF THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL? THAT'S FINE.
AND WE ALSO CHANGED THE CORRESPONDING TABLE OF CONTENTS.
'CAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE MORE CLEAR.
AND NOW, IS THERE A SECOND AFTER ALL THIS? I'LL SECOND IT.
UM, OH, DID I, WHO? OH, IT WAS MR. JEFFERSON.
EXCUSE ME FOR THE RECORD, MR. JEFFERSON.
UM, IS IS THE SECOND, DO YOU STILL WISH TO SECOND HAVING HEARD THE AMENDMENT IN FULL? ABSOLUTELY.
SO, UH, SO WE NOW HAVE, UM, I'M NOT GONNA RESTATE THE ENTIRE AMENDMENT WITH MR. GUCCI'S AMENDMENT ON THE FLOOR.
IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION MR. GONZALEZ? ARE YOU SURE? JUST KIDDING.
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YOU DON'T, SO YOU CAN'T VOTE.OH, I, I ACTUALLY JUST SENT, UH, I GOT THE TEXT FROM, FROM, UH, THAT MY CAMERA IS NOT ON, BUT MY CAMERA IS ON.
UM, AND I SENT A PICTURE, UH, SHOWING THAT IT'S ON, SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHY IT'S NOT COMING THROUGH THAT WAY.
YOU MAY HAVE TO SHUT DOWN YOUR EMAIL.
OH, MAYBE IN THE BACKGROUND POINT.
ARE ANY OF YOUR OTHER, 'CAUSE I DO KNOW THAT BY LAW YOU DON'T COUNT AS EVEN PRESENT RIGHT NOW.
IS I SHUT EVERYTHING IN THE BACKGROUND DOWN.
THE ONLY THING THAT'S OPEN IS THIS WINDOW.
WE'LL GIVE, GIVE YOU THE TIME YOU NEED, SIR.
YES, MR. WELL, NO, MR. GONZALEZ, WOULD YOU DO ME A FAVOR? AND I BELIEVE THE CHAIR IS GONNA EXTEND YOU A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO LOG OFF AND LOG BACK ON? I CAN.
I FEEL LIKE THE OLD VERIZON COMMERCIALS, BUT INSTEAD OF HEARING ME, CAN YOU SEE ME? DOESN'T MATTER.
WELL, IT'S, IT'S WONDERFUL TO MEET YOU.
NOW MR. GONZALEZ IS HERE AND ELIGIBLE TO VOTE.
UM, LET'S WAIT A MINUTE BECAUSE I THINK, MR. YEAH, WE HAD A BIO BREAK.
UM, I I'M NOT GONNA LET HIM NOT VOTE AFTER SUE.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8:00 AM AFRAID IF I, IF I'M AT A FIVE MINUTE RECESS, IT WOULD BECOME A 20 MINUTE RECESS.
SHE'S IN A WORLD WHERE THE LAWS CHANGE EVERY TWO WEEKS.
SO I WELL, ACTIONS EQUAL CHANGE.
EVERYONE IS HERE AND, UM, READY TO VOTE.
UM, UM, MS. TORRES IS, IS NOT HERE ANYMORE, BUT WAS HERE FOR MORE THAN 50% OF THE TIME.
MR. SAXON, WHAT EXACTLY AM I SUPPOSED TO BE DOING FOR THIS? YOU ARE VOTING ON THE AMENDMENT.
UH, DISTRICT ONE, JONATHAN SACKER.
UH, I APPROVE THE AMENDMENTS AS, UH, STIPULATED.
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UM, MS. AYALA.UH, MS. THOMAS FREDA THOMAS, DISTRICT FIVE.
I APPROVE THE SUGGESTED APPOINT.
SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE RUNNING FOR OFFICE.
UM, MR. JEFFERSON, DISTRICT SEVEN, I APPROVE THE MINUTES.
MARCIA JACKSON, DISTRICT EIGHT, I APPROVE WITH THE AMENDMENTS.
MR. CILLA, RICHARD CILLA, DISTRICT NINE, I APPROVE MR. JEFFS.
I APPROVE MR. QUINT, ROBERT QUINT, DISTRICT 12.
I APPROVE MS. SHIN, JENNIFER SHIN, DISTRICT 13.
MR. GONZALEZ, UH, JAVIN GONZALEZ, DISTRICT 14, I APPROVE.
AND ROBERT AGNI, DISTRICT 15 APPROVES THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
AND THANK YOU FOR BEING WILLING TO BE COLLABORATIVE AND, UH, A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN FORMAL TODAY.
UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME AS THE NEW GUY THAT, THAT YOU GUYS, UH, YOU, YOU, YOU, UH, VETERANS, UM, UH, HAVE A PROBABLY MORE THAN, MORE THAN EQUAL, UM, SAY, UH, IN, IN THIS.
AND, AND, UH, NEXT YEAR WE WILL HAVE A SET OF THINGS THAT WE CAN COMPARE OURSELVES AGAINST.
UM, I AM REALLY EXCITED TO WORK WITH ALL OF YOU AND I, UH, APPRECIATE, UH, THE WAY YOU HAVE TREATED, UH, UH, ME AND MY FELLOW, UH, NEW MEMBERS.
AND, UM, LIKE I SAID, I'VE WATCHED YOU GUYS IN ACTION.
WE WILL, UH, HAVE A MUCH MORE FORMAL MEETING.
UH, AND THE NEXT MEETING IS FEBRUARY 5TH.
UH, I WOULD EXPECT TO HAVE, UH, AT LEAST ONE CASE, MAYBE A SECOND.
UH, I, I'M AWARE OF TWO CASES.
UM, IT IS, UH, 11:04 AM AND THE MOTION TO ADJOURN P LAB.
UH, P LAB, UH, MEETING IS ADJOURNED.