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[Community Police Oversight Board on January 13, 2026. ]
GOOD NEWS, EVERYONE.WE DO HAVE A QUORUM, SO I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
MY NAME IS JOHN MARK DAVIDSON.
I HAVE THE HONOR OF SERVING AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD, AND WE HAVE CONFIRMED A QUORUM OF OUR MEMBERS.
THE OFFICIAL START TIME FOR THIS MEETING IS 5:38 PM 5:38 PM AND WE'LL NOW BEGIN THIS MEETING WITH A ROLL CALL OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS.
EACH OF US HAS BEEN NOMINATED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR TO SERVE AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS, AS I CALL EACH DISTRICT, PLEASE INDICATE YOUR PRESENCE.
AND BRIAN BALL, YOU JUST ARRIVED.
SO I WANNA MAKE DISTRICT FIVE BRIAN BALL DISTRICT FIVE.
FOR, FOR THOSE JOINING US IN PERSON ONLINE, PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS AN OFFICIAL MEETING OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD AND IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
THESE PROCEEDINGS ARE DESIGNED TO FOSTER OPEN COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND PUBLIC SAFETY STAKEHOLDERS, WHILE ENSURING THAT THE BOARD'S BUSINESS IS CONDUCTED EFFICIENTLY AND RESPECTFULLY.
TO ACHIEVE THIS, TO ACHIEVE THIS GOAL, DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
ALL ATTENDEES MUST REMAIN SEATED UNLESS OTHERWISE DIRECTED.
ANYONE CAUSING A DISRUPTION WILL RECEIVE ONE.
DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT WILL RESULT IN A REMOVAL FROM THIS MEETING.
THE BOARD IS COMMITTED TO ACCESSIBILITY.
SO IF YOU REQUIRE TRANSLATION SERVICES, SIGN LANGUAGE, INTERPRETERS, OR OTHER ACCOMMODATIONS, PLEASE CONTACT OUR OFFICE AT O CPO@DALLAS.GOV.
AND WE ASK THAT YOU DO THIS AT LEAST 72 HOURS PRIOR TO OUR MEETING.
THE PURPOSE OF THE CPOB, THE MISSION OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD, FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD, IS TO BUILD AND MAINTAIN TRUST BY ENSURING THAT COMPLAINTS OF MISCONDUCT INVOLVING DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL ARE REVIEWED FAIRLY, TRANSPARENTLY AND THOROUGHLY.
THE BOARD IS SUPPORTED BY THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT, WHICH PROVIDES LOGISTICAL AND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE TO HELP US FULFILL THIS MISSION AND MAINTAIN ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE COMPLAINT PROCESS.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE, WE WILL, UH, WE'LL NOW BEGIN WITH PUBLIC COMMENT, AND EACH SPEAKER WILL HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE BOARD.
DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, THIS TIME MAY BE ADJUSTED TO PARTICIPATE.
PLEASE SEE A MEMBER OF THE CITY STAFF IN THE FRONT OF THIS ROOM, UH, FOR THE SPEAKER CARDS.
AND THERE'LL ALSO BE A TIME AT THE END OF THIS MEETING ALSO FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
PUBLIC COMMENT IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THOUGHTS ON MATTERS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THIS BOARD.
WHILE DISSENT IS WELCOME, PERSONAL ATTACKS, THREATS, PROFANITY, AND OR OFF-TOPIC REMARKS ARE NOT PERMITTED.
WE STRIVE FOR CONSTRUCTIVE RESPECTIVE DIALOGUE.
WE DO HAVE SIX PEOPLE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP, UH, FOR A COUPLE OF COMMENT.
MAY, UH, MAY I HAVE A, A MOTION FROM THE BOARD, UH, SUSPEND THE RULES.
NORMALLY WE ONLY DO FIVE AT THE BEGINNING, BUT, UH, MAY I HAVE A MOTION SO THAT WE CAN HEAR ALL SIX AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING? SIX.
SEE THELANDER DISTRICT EIGHT ISO MOVE AS WELL.
SO A MOTION'S BEEN MADE, UH, BY JUDGE LANDER, SECONDED BY, UH, MS. KING.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
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UH, MINUTES, UH, I'D LIKE TO ALSO NOTE THE ATTENDANCE OF DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FOUR, DISTRICT FOUR, JUST SO THAT LET IT BE KNOWN DISTRICT THREE ONLINE AND ALSO FOR THE MINUTES, UH, BOARD MEMBER CHAGA HIGGINS, DISTRICT THREE, UH, IS ALSO, UH, PRESENT ONLINE.I'D LIKE TO NOW CALL, UH, MR. WESLEY THOMPSON TO THE STAND.
THANK YOU FOR COMING, MR. THOMPSON.
I BELIEVE, UH, WE'LL BE HEARING MORE ABOUT YOUR CASE, UH, LATER TODAY, BUT WANTED TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE DURING THIS TIME TO, TO SHARE ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE AS YOU KNOW, THE, THE DRILL.
UH, PLEASE SIT DOWN, MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE'S TURNED ON, AND, UH, WE HAVE A TIMER THAT'LL BE ON THAT SCREEN.
AND WE JUST ASK THAT YOU RESPECT, UH, THE TIME WHEN THE BUDER GOES OFF.
FINISH YOUR SENTENCE AND, UH, BUT YOU'RE HERE.
LOVE TO HEAR YOUR, YOUR COMMENT.
HAS THAT BEEN SENT TO THE OFFICE AHEAD OF TIME? OKAY.
UM, I THINK A TOTAL OF TWO MINUTES, 30 SECONDS.
SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND WATCH THAT.
IT'S WHAT, TWO MINUTES FOR THE VIDEO VIDEO.
WE'LL GO, WE'LL GET THAT PULLED UP AND THEN WHEN THAT VIDEO'S OVER, WE'LL GIVE YOU YOUR THREE MINUTES COURT ORDER.
SHE DECIDED SHE WANTED TO LAY UP TILL SEVEN O'CLOCK WITH HER BOYFRIEND.
I TOLD HER, FINE, MY DAUGHTER CAN STAY NOW.
SHE OVER HERE TRYING TO PICK HER UP.
THAT'S, THAT'S, I'M, I'M DONE WITH IT.
HE, HE CAME AT US LIKE IMMEDIATELY LIKE THAT, BUT, UH, I MEAN, HE'S RIGHT.
HE, SHE DIDN'T, THEY DON'T HAVE A COURT ORDER IN PLACE AND SHE WANTS TO PICK UP THE KID AND HE IS SAYING NO.
WELL, I JUST KNOW ACCURATE OFF MY PROPERTY, HUH? AT THIS TIME, I'M TRESPASSING YOU FOR MY PROPERTY.
YOU'RE NOT HERE FOR A CRIMINAL REASON.
SO SHE'S STAYING IN NO OFFENSE.
UM, SHE DIDN'T MENTION AN OFFENSE TO ME JUST NOW.
SHE JUST SAID THAT SHE CAME TO GET HER A KID.
SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO PICK HIM UP AT FOUR, BUT SHE DIDN'T PICK HIM UP AT FOUR.
AND SHE WAS TRYING TO GET HIM NOW BECAUSE SOMETHING HAPPENED.
AND THEN SHE, UH, UH, HE WAS, IS REFUSING AND, UH, TELL HIM, WAIT THERE TOMORROW.
I TELL HER THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO THEN.
AND THEN SHE'S GONNA PROBABLY, BUT WE WALKED UP TO HIM, TALK TO HIM, AND HE IMMEDIATELY CAME OUT SCREAMING AT US.
AND I'M LIKE, DUDE, I'M NOT EVEN ON
WELL, UM, WELL, SO TELL HER THAT AND WATCH HER CHANGE HER TUNE A LITTLE BIT.
WE'LL SEE, I DIDN MY I HEARD YOU.
OKAY, LEAVE MY, THAT'S MY PROBLEM.
WAIT UNTIL WE FINISH UP HERE, THEN I'LL BOUNCE.
WHAT CALLS DO YOU HAVE TO ON MY BROTHER? WHAT'S YOUR REASON FOR BEING ON MY PROPERTY? SHE CALLED 9 1 1.
SO I GOTTA COME IN HERE AND TALK TO YOU.
SHE'S OUT THERE ON THE STREET.
WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THAT? HEY, GET YOUR VEHICLE OUT.
I'M GONNA WAIT TILL I GET FINISHED.
ALRIGHT, SO YOU'RE NOT ON HIS PROPERTY, YOU'RE IN THE CAR ON A PUBLIC STREET.
I'M LIKE, IT'S, UH, YOU HAVE TO DRIVE UP TO GET TO HIS PROPERTY, SO I'M LIKE SITTING AT THE GATE.
OKAY, SO, SO THERE'S NO FURTHER ISSUES.
JUST BACK OUT OF HIS DRIVEWAY AND PARK ON THE PUBLIC STREET BECAUSE THE STREET IS NOT HIS PROPERTY.
THAT WAY YOU'RE STILL THERE, BUT YOU'RE NOT ON HIS PROPERTY.
ALRIGHT, MR. THOMAS, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
YOU HAVE JUST SEEN A BODY-WORN VIDEO AND HEARD THE NINE ONE ONE CALL FROM MY JULY 13TH ISSUE.
I WANT TO EXPLAIN WHY, WHAT YOU JUST SAW IN HURRICANE CONTROLS THIS CASE AND WHY NO LATER CHANGE IN INVESTIGATIVE LANGUAGE CAN OVERRIDE IT.
FIRST, WHAT THE EVIDENCE SHOWS ON JULY 13TH ON THE BODY CAM VIDEO, YOU HEARD THE OFFICERS THEMSELVES ACKNOWLEDGE IN REAL TIME THERE WAS NO COURT ORDER, THERE WAS NO OFFENSE, AND THE CALLER HAD NO, HAD NOT MENTIONED A GUN.
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ON SCENE DETERMINATIONS.ONCE OFFICERS ACKNOWLEDGE THERE IS NO CRIME AND NO INVESTIGATION, THEIR AUTHORITY CONTRACTS, IT DOES NOT EXPAND.
YOU THEN HEARD ME STATE CLEARLY WHILE THE OFFICERS WERE STANDING WHERE THEY WERE, THAT THEY WERE ON MY PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THAT THEY NEEDED TO LEAVE THE OFFICER.
OH, WELL, S**T, THE OFFICERS DID, DID NOT SAY THAT.
THEY, THE OFFICERS DID NOT SAY THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.
THEY DID NOT SAY THEY WERE NOT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
INSTEAD, ONE OFFICER RESPONDED THAT THEY WOULD FINISH UP HERE AND THEN LEAVE.
THAT EXCHANGE MATTERS BECAUSE IT ESTABLISHES TWO THINGS.
ON JULY 13TH, BEFORE ANY COMPLAINTS OR IN INVESTIGATIONS EXISTED, THE OFFICERS KNEW THERE WAS NO CRIMINAL PURPOSE AND THEY WERE TOLD THEY WERE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND ASKED TO LEAVE, YET CHOSE TO REMAIN.
THIS IS THE TRESPASS ISSUE IN THIS CASE.
SECOND, WHY DID NINE ONE CALL NINE ONE ONE CALL MATTERS.
YOU HEARD THE CALL TAKER TREAT THE SITUATION AS A NON-CRIMINAL AND GIVE LOCATION GUIDANCE RATHER THAN AT EVACUATION INSTRUCTIONS.
IF DISPATCH BELIEVED THERE WAS AN ACT OF VIOLENT ENCOUNTER OR FIREARM THREAT, THE INSTRUCTION WOULD HAVE BEEN TO LEAVE THE AREA IMMEDIATELY.
WE'LL, WE'LL HEAR YOUR CASE A LITTLE BIT LATER TODAY.
THANKS FOR YOUR THREE MINUTES.
I'D LIKE TO NOW INVITE RIC WILKERSON.
THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THE CASES WE'LL HEAR LATER, UH, TODAY, A RESULT OF THE INVESTIGATION.
ANYBODY ONLINE? I'D NOW LIKE TO, UH, CALL ALEX STEIN VIA THE, UH, VIDEO CONFERENCE.
DO WE HAVE ALEX STEIN ON ONLINE? NEGATIVE.
MR. PUTNAM, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
UH, JUST MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE'S TURNED ON.
SO WE WANNA HEAR WHAT WE GET TO SAY.
AND, UH, WHENEVER YOU BEGIN, WE'LL START THE TIMER AND WE JUST ASK YOU TO RESPECT, UH, THE TIME LIMIT.
I'M A RESIDENT FROM DISTRICT 10.
UH, I WANT TO THANK THIS BOARD FOR REQUESTING REPORTS RELATED TO DPDS INVOLVEMENT WITH ICE.
IT IS VITAL TO THE PUBLIC KNOW WHEN AND IN WHAT MANNER DPD IS COOPERATING WITH ICE.
AND ESPECIALLY HAR IT'S ESPECIALLY HEARTENING THAT A CITY COUNCIL APPOINTED BOARD IS LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE.
I WANT TO A, AGAIN, ASK FOR MONTHLY REPORTS IN THE HOPE THAT DPD WILL HAVE ZERO COOPERATION WITH ICE AND ANY FEDERAL AGENCIES MOVING FORWARD.
I'M CONCERNED THAT, UH, CHIEF CUOMO RECENTLY SAID, WE WILL ASSIST TO HELP OUR FEDERAL PARTNERS WHEN NECESSARY.
WHEN THIS PAST WEEK, WE SAW VIDEOS OF A US CITIZEN MURDERED BY AN ICE AGENT IN COLD BLOOD, A MALE ICE AGENT GOING INTO A PORTA PORTA-POTTY WITH A DETAINED WOMAN, WHILE ANOTHER AGENT PROVIDED A LOOKOUT, UM, AND ICE AGENTS ILLEGALLY ENTERING PRIVATE PROPERTY WITHOUT WARRANTS AND INTIMIDATING AND INSULTED ASSAULTING CITIZENS, EXERCISING THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO RECORD.
LAW ENFORCEMENT REPUTABLE NATIONAL SOURCES HAVE REPORTED THAT ICE IS HOLDING PEOPLE IN INHUMANE CONDITIONS, FORCING PEOPLE TO DRINK TOILET WATER, DETAINING PEOPLE AT AIRPORTS AND THE BORDER TO MEET STEVEN MILLER QUOTAS, EVEN AS THEY'RE VOLUNTARILY LEAVING THE COUNTRY, NOT ALLOWING CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATIVES TO PROVIDE LEGALLY REQUIRED OVERSIGHT AND DHS FACILITIES AND PRIMARILY DETAINING PEOPLE WITH NO CRIMINAL CHARGES, LET ALONE CONVICTIONS.
THESE ACTIONS ARE EMBOLDENED BY RACIST BRETT KAVANAUGH SOPS TARGETING BLACK, BROWN, AND ASIAN AMERICANS.
IT IS BEYOND TIME FOR DPD TO END ALL COOPERATION WITH FEDERAL AGENCIES AS LONG AS THEY CONTINUE TO OPERATE IN AN ILLEGAL INHUMANE AND UNCONSCIONABLE MANNER UNDER THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION.
UM, AND I AGAIN, WANT TO ADDRESS LAST MONTH'S PRESENTATION ON DALLAS'S 600 FLOCK CAMERAS.
WHEN AN OFFICER SAID, DON'T WORRY, WE'RE ONLY CAPTURING LICENSE PLATE.
THE VERY LICENSE PLATES TIED TO OUR VEHICLE REGISTRATION WITH OUR NAMES AND IDENTIFYING INFO.
WHEN QUESTIONED OFFICERS ADMITTED THERE WERE NO GUARANTEES, ICE COULDN'T ACCESS DALLAS'S FLOCK DATA
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SAYING ICE VERY WELL COULD FLOCK, WASN'T AUTHORIZED BY RESIDENTS, AND SHOULD BE IMMEDIATELY HALTED ALONG WITH ALL OTHER MASS SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY USED BY DPD WITHOUT JUDICIAL WARRANTS OUTLINED BY THE CONSTITUTION.I KNOW THIS ASK GOES BEYOND THE POWER OF THE BOARD, UH, BUT I HOPE YOU CONTINUE TO PUT PRESSURE ON DPD TO PUBLICLY DISCLOSE.
FUTURE MASS SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGIES ARE CONSIDERING POLICE SHOULDN'T SURVEIL ALL RESIDENTS BECAUSE IT MAKES THEIR JOB EASIER.
UM, THAT IS A LAZY POLICE STATE WHERE PEOPLE LIVE IN FEAR.
DPD SHOULDN'T SAID, DO THE HARD AND NECESSARY WORK OF KEEPING RESIDENTS SAFE BY BUILDING COMMUNITY TRUST, TRUST THAT IS ERODED BY USING DYSTOPIAN MASS SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY AND COOPERATING WITH ACCRUAL AND ILLEGAL ILLEGAL ADMINISTRATION.
NEXT I'D LIKE TO CALL DOLORES PHILLIPS.
MS. PHILLIPS, ARE YOU HERE? I MISS, I MISS MS. PHILLIPS.
HOPEFULLY SHE'LL COME BACK NEXT MEETING.
UH, THE NEXT IS ISAIAH AL ALVAREZ.
MR. ALVAREZ, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
YEAH, PLEASE TAKE A SEAT AND, UH, MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON SO EVERYONE ONLINE CAN HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.
AND, UH, WE'LL BEGIN THE TIMER WHEN YOU'RE READY.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW THE VIDEO THAT I SUBMITTED AND, UM, YEAH, THAT'S IT.
I'LL JUST START MY TIME, I GUESS.
I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE PEOPLE IN DALLAS ARE SCARED AND THEY HAVE EVERY REASON TO BE.
ON DECEMBER 9TH, AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING, ADMINISTRATIVE BUREAU ASSISTANT CHIEF ISRAEL HERRERA SAID SOMETHING THAT SHOULD STOP ALL OF US IN OUR TRACKS RIGHT NOW.
HE STATED THAT ICE AGENTS DO NOT HAVE TO PROVE WHO THEY ARE TO DALLAS'S POLICE BECAUSE THEY MAY BE OPERATING UNDERCOVER.
WHEN I SAW THAT SEVEN 11 VIDEO WHEN I WAS THERE, I ASKED THEM, WHO WERE THOSE MASS MEN? AND THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T KNOW EITHER.
WE'RE BEING TOLD THAT ARMED INDIVIDUALS CAN OPERATE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS WITHOUT SHOWING CREDENTIALS, WITHOUT SHOWING VERIFICATION.
AND WE'RE JUST SUPPOSED TO TRUST IT.
AND RIGHT NOW, THAT TRUST IS PUTTING ALL OF US AT RISK BECAUSE IN 2025 ALONE, I'M GONNA SHOW YOU SOME POLICE REPORTS AND YOU CAN WRITE DOWN THESE NUMBERS REALLY QUICK.
INCIDENT NUMBER 0 8 8 8 9 4 2 0 2 5.
SUSPECTS FRAUDULENTLY IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES AS IMMIGRATION AUTHORITIES ALONG STEMS TRAIL.
ANOTHER INCIDENT REPORT 0 9 0 1 3 6 2 0 2 5, A VEHICLE ACTIVATED RED AND BLUE EMERGENCY LIGHTS AND FOLLOWED ANOTHER DRIVER ON NORTH HAVEN ROAD PRETENDING TO BE POLICE.
ANOTHER INCIDENT REPORT 0 8 3 4 7 6 2 0 2 5 SUSPECTS CLAIMS THAT THEY WERE HIRED TO ACT ON BEHALF OF POLICE IN A BUSINESS PARKING LOT ON WEST DAVIS STREET.
ANOTHER INCIDENT REPORT 0 7 0 8 0 7 2 0 2 5.
A SUSPECT STATED THAT THEY WERE EMPLOYED BY THE FBI OR LAW ENFORCEMENT ON BAYLOR STREET.
THESE ARE LITERALLY NOT RUMORS.
THESE ARE REAL INCIDENT REPORTS THAT PUTS US ALL IN DANGER.
NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE, YOU'RE NOT IF YOU'RE UNDOCUMENTED, IF YOU ARE A US CITIZEN, YOU'RE A MOTHER AND A WIFE THAT SHOULD SCARE THE S**T OUT OF US.
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO MAKE US FEEL SAFE, NOT CONFUSED, NOT AFRAID, NOT UNSURE WHO TO TRUST.
BUT RIGHT NOW, THAT AUTHORITY IS BEING ACCEPTED AT FACE VALUE BASED ON THE VEST OR THE BADGE THAT THEY HAVE.
AND YOU CAN SEE IT WHAT STOPS ME FROM WEARING A MASK AND A VEST.
I'LL HOLD THE REST OF MY TIME TO REMEMBER.
WE'LL NOW MOVE, UH, TO AGENDA ITEM FOUR REAL QUICK, UM, TO APPROVE THE DECEMBER 9TH MEETING MINUTES, IF, UH, THE BOARD COULD REVIEW THOSE MINUTES BRIEFLY IN YOUR PACKETS.
AND, UM, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, COULD
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I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES FOR THE DECEMBER 9TH MEETING? MR. CHAIR, THERE ARE TWO CORRECTIONS.THERE'S NO A OR U IN MY NAME ON PAGE FIVE AND ON PAGE 10, INCLUDING, UH, THOSE CHANGES IN ANY ADDITION, UH, I'LL CALL FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTE, MINUTES FOR DECEMBER 9TH MEETING.
I, I SECOND MOTION'S BEEN MADE BY DISTRICT TWO.
JONATHAN MAPLES, SECONDED BY JENNY KING, DISTRICT 10.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES WITH THE CHANGES SUGGESTED BY DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH.
MINUTES ARE APPROVED, AND I DO WANT TO MAKE IT KNOWN FOR THE MINUTES, UM, THAT MARY ELLEN SMITH, DISTRICT 10 IS PRESENT ONLINE.
WE'RE GONNA, UH, SHIFT THINGS AROUND A LITTLE BIT, UM, AND GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS, UM, AGENDA ITEM.
LET'S SEE, WHAT IS THAT? OH, UM, REPORTS, UH, AGENDA, CPOB REPORTS BRIEFINGS.
DO I HAVE, UM, A, A MOTION FROM THE BOARD TO SUSPEND THE RULES TO MOVE THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM FORWARD? SO MOVED.
LAUREN GERBERT SMITH'S MOVE SECONDED BY MS. MS. SIMON.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? WE'LL MOVE IT IN THAT CASE.
UH, WE'LL MOVE NOW, UH, TO, UM, AGENDA ITEM SEVEN CPOB REPORTS, ITEM A, UM, WHICH IS AN UPDATE ON THE REQUEST FOR REPORTING DPD INTERACTIONS WITH FEDERAL AUTHORITIES.
AND I DO WANNA THANK CHIEF CUOMO, UH, FOR BEING HERE.
UH, YOUR PRESENCE MEANS THE WORLD.
IT COMMUNICATES YOUR DESIRE FOR TRANSPARENCY.
IT, IT COMMUNICATES, UM, YOUR LOVE FOR THE CITY THAT YOU SHOW UP.
UH, THIS MEMO WAS SENT A FEW DAYS AGO, UH, JANUARY 7TH.
UH, THERE'S NO EXPECTATION, UH, FROM THIS BOARD THAT ANY INFORMATION IS PRESENTED TODAY DUE TO THE, UH, HOW QUICKLY WE SENT THAT MEMO.
BUT YOUR PRESENCE HERE DOES SPEAK VOLUMES.
UM, TO UPDATE EVERYONE ON JANUARY 7TH OF THIS YEAR, OF, OF 2026, UH, I SENT A, UH, A MEMO, UH, TO DALLAS POLICE CHIEF, UH, CUOMO REQUESTING INFORMATION AND A BRIEFING REGARDING DPD INTERACTIONS WITH ICE.
UH, IT'S JUST A CALL FOR TRANSPARENCY.
UM, WE KNOW THAT AS A BOARD, WE HAVE NO JURISDICTION WHEN IT COMES TO FEDERAL AGENTS, BUT, UH, WE ALSO KNOW FROM PAST MEETINGS THAT THERE ARE TIMES WHEN DPD IS CALLED TO ASSIST.
AND WE KNOW THAT WHEN THOSE CALLS ARE MADE, UH, THEY NEED TO BE HONORED.
UM, AND, UH, YOU MENTIONED BEFORE THAT YOU MAY NOT BE INVOLVED AT ALL IN THE, THE WORK OF ICE AND AS FAR AS APPREHENSION OR ARRESTS, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN ROLES THAT DPD PLAYS AS FAR AS SETTING PERIMETER BEING THERE ON SCENE.
AND, UH, THIS IS JUST A MEMO, UH, REQUESTING DATA REPORTS ON, ON WHEN THAT HAPPENS AND THE FREQUENCY, UM, THE REASON AND THE OUTCOME, UM, OF THE EVENTS.
AND THEN THE SECOND, UM, IS JUST A, A REQUEST, UH, TO RECEIVE A BRIEFING ON CURRENT AND RELEVANT TRAINING PROCEDURES, EXISTING INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL TRAINING FOR OFFICERS RELATED TO IMMIGRATION RELATED SITUATIONS OR ARRESTS, ANY RECENT CHANGES TO THIS TRAINING, AS WELL AS PLANNED UPDATES TO THE CURRICULUM GUIDANCE PROVIDED TO OFFICERS WHEN INTERACTING WITH FEDERAL IMMIGRATION AUTHORITIES.
UM, AND AGAIN, UH, NO EXPECTATION TODAY.
THIS, THIS EMAIL, THIS MEMO WAS SENT, UH, NOT EVEN A WEEK AGO.
BUT, UH, YOUR PRESENCE HERE MEANS, MEANS A LOT.
SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, UH, SITTING BEFORE US AS A BOARD.
AND I WANNA GIVE YOU ANY TIME TO COMMENT ON WHATEVER YOU FEEL IS PERTINENT REGARDING, UH, THIS MEMO TODAY.
SO BE VERY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING SINCE I BECAME THE POLICE CHIEF HERE.
UM, WE WILL COOPERATE AND ASSIST WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WHENEVER THEY'RE DOING ANY LEGAL ACTIONS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UM, IT'S OUR DUTY AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OFFICERS TO DO THAT.
I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT IS NOT IMMIGRATION OFFICERS, AND WE HAVE NOT CONDUCTED ANY IMMIGRATION INVESTIGATIONS, NOR WILL WE CONDUCT ANY INVESTIGATIONS ON IMMIGRATIONS.
I'VE COMMUNICATED THAT WITH THE SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE OF HSI.
WE HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING, UM, ABOUT OUR STANCE AND OUR POSITION.
UH, HE RESPECTS THAT WE HAVE A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP.
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WHERE WE WILL ASSIST AND COOPERATE.AND, AND I'LL GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES ON THAT.
UH, AS A POLICE CHIEF, I'VE RECEIVED NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS ABOUT HUMAN TRAFFICKING, PROSTITUTION, UH, IN SOME AREAS WE WILL WORK WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, ONE BEING HSI, BECAUSE THAT FALLS IN THEIR LANE ON THOSE INVESTIGATIONS THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO DIRECTLY WITH IMMIGRATION.
NOW, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THROUGH THOSE INVESTIGATION THAT SOMEONE IS ARRESTED FOR IMMIGRATION? YES, BUT THE REASON WE ARE THERE, IT'S NOT FOR IMMIGRATION INVESTIGATIONS, IS FOR, UM, COMPLAINTS THAT I RECEIVE ON A NUMEROUS, NUMEROUS, THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE RECEIVE NUMEROUSLY FOR PROSTITUTION AND HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
WE WORK WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ON A REGULAR BASIS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP EVERYONE SAFE IN DALLAS.
UH, WE DID A PRESS CONFERENCE TODAY, UH, SINCE, UH, MAY, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BEING A US MARSHALS, WHERE WE HAVE ARRESTED OVER 700 INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE HAD FELONY WARRANTS THROUGHOUT DALLAS.
UM, THAT'S REALLY GOOD WORK IN COLLABORATION WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT WE'RE DOING.
WE HAVE TASK FORCE OFFICERS THAT'S ASSIGNED TO DEA AND THE FBI.
SO WE HAVE A WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
BUT AGAIN, I WILL SAY, AND I WILL DRIVE THIS HOME, DPD DOES NOT DO IMMIGRATION INVESTIGATIONS, NOR HAVE WE DONE ANY IMMIGRATION INVESTIGATIONS.
THANK YOU, CHIEF, FOR THAT TRANSPARENCY.
WE, UH, WE, WE TRUST YOU AND BELIEVE YOU THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT TO BE TRUE.
AND, UM, THE REQUEST FOR MONTHLY REPORTS RELATED TO ICE, UH, DPD ENCOUNTERING WORKING WITH ICE AS FAR AS SETTING PERIMETER, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU KEEP TRACK OF? ARE THERE ANY REPORTS THAT CAN BE PRESENTED AS FAR AS THE FREQUENCY OF WHEN THOSE REQUESTS ARE MADE? AND AGAIN, WE UNDERSTAND YOU'RE NOT INVOLVED IN THE ARREST APPREHENSION, BUT YOU'RE SETTING A PERIMETER, YOU'RE THERE ON THE SCENE, ASSISTING IN WAYS ASKED TO BE THERE.
AND WE KNOW THAT WHEN THAT REQUEST COMES, IT NEEDS TO BE HONORED.
UH, BUT WE JUST ARE CURIOUS IF ANY SORT OF REPORTING OR KEEPING TRACK OF THE FREQUENCY OF THAT.
YEAH, SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WON'T PROVIDE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IN THIS CLIMATE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S MOST IMPORTANT TO ME IS THAT I KEEP EVERY SINGLE OFFICER SAFE IN THE CITY JUST AS WE TRY TO KEEP EVERY SINGLE PERSON SAFE IN THE CITY.
AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON RIGHT NOW, UH, WITH OFFICERS AND THEN THE VIOLENCE JUST THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES, WE DON'T WANT TO DISCLOSE ANY INFORMATION ON ANY INVESTIGATIONS THAT ARE ONGOING WORKING OR HOW MANY TIMES WE MIGHT BE, UH, AT A LOCATION.
BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU, WE'RE NOT IMMIGRATION OFFICERS AND WE DON'T DO ANYTHING REGARDING IMMIGRATION.
SO, UM, I GUESS YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S PROBABLY NOT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION, UH, TO US AS A BOARD.
YEAH, IT, IT WOULD NOT BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF, UM, LAW ENFORCEMENT TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW, TO LET EVERYONE KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING, HOW, WHERE, WHERE WE MIGHT BE GOING, HOW MANY TIMES WE MIGHT BE OUT.
IT'S JUST NOT THE RIGHT THING TO DO RIGHT NOW.
BUT IN A REPORT TOO, IT'S PAST TENSE.
IT'S, UH, REPORTING WHAT HAPPENED.
UH, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, UH, IS AS WELL AS DIFFICULT TO REPORT ON? YEAH, I, I THINK AT THIS TIME, THE BEST THING FOR US TO DO IS, IS NOT PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.
AND WHAT ABOUT, AND I THINK THAT'S A, IT'S AN OPERATIONAL, THIS IS OPERATIONAL.
IT'S NOT, UM, IT'S, I CAN JUST ASSURE YOU THAT WE'RE NOT IMMIGRATION OFFICER.
UH, YOUR COMMENTS ARE, ARE NOTED.
AND, AND WE'LL AS A BOARD, UH, ADDRESS THAT AND, AND, UH, COME UP WITH OUR RESPONSE TO THAT.
AND, UH, WHAT ABOUT THE BRIEFING AND TRAINING GUIDANCE? THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, AS FAR AS SHED ANY LIGHT ON THE TRAININGS THAT THE DPD ARE GIVEN WHEN IT COMES TO IMMIGRATION RELATED SITUATIONS OR ARRESTS, IF THERE ARE THERE TO BE ON SCENE, CAN YOU SPEAK TO ANY OF THE TRAININGS THAT THE OFFICERS HAVE PROVIDED TO BE PREPARED FOR THOSE MOMENTS? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OFFICERS THAT'S ASSIGNED TO THE FEDERAL TASK FORCE? UH, NO, JUST, UH, FOR THE ASSIST, UH, OFFICERS, UH, DPD OFFICERS THAT ARE CALLED TO A SCENE, UH, FOR THE SAFETY OF YOUR OFFICERS AND ALSO FOR THE PUBLIC, UH, DO THEY RECEIVE ANY SPECIFIC TRAINING RELATED TO THOSE INCIDENTS WHEN THEY'RE CALLED TO ASSIST? SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE ANY REGULAR PATROL OFFICER FOR DPD, ARE THEY'RE GETTING ANY SPECIAL TRAINING ON IMMIGRATION? UH, YES.
AND ARE THERE SPECIFIC OFFICERS THAT ARE CALLED TO, UH, SET THE PERIMETER OR BE ON THE SCENE TO ASSIST? DO THEY RECEIVE ANY TRAINING AS FAR AS, UM, IMMIGRATION
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RELATED TRAINING THAT WOULD HELP THEM IN THOSE SITUATIONS RESPOND? NO, BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT ENFORCING IMMIGRATION LAWS WHEN THEY'RE SET IN PERIMETERS THERE FOR SECURITY AND SAFETY.UH, WE'LL, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? UH, WE'LL, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THIS AGENDA ITEM.
I THINK YOU'VE MADE IT, UH, CLEAR KIND OF WHERE, UM, WHERE YOU ARE ON THIS REQUEST.
BUT ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE, UH, WE MOVE ON? NO.
OUR BIGGEST GOAL IS TO KEEP EVERYONE SAFE IN DALLAS, AND THAT WE'RE WORKING EXTREMELY HARD TO DO.
AGAIN, YOUR PRESENCE HERE TO, TO COME HERE IN PERSON, UH, TO RESPOND TO THIS MEMO AND YEAH.
WE'LL, AS A BOARD, UH, DISCUSS AND, AND GET BACK.
AND AGAIN, OUR AIM AS A BOARD IS TO REPRESENT THE SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE AS WELL.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
WE LISTEN, UH, TO THEM, WE SPEAK FOR THEM.
UH, AND THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS.
THERE'S CONCERN, THERE'S FEAR.
UH, WE WANT EVERY CITIZEN TO FEEL COMFORTABLE TO CALL DPD IN AN EVENT OF A, A CRISIS.
AND, UH, WE FEEL LIKE TRANSPARENCY DISCUSSION, GETTING IT OPEN IS THE BEST PATH TO BUILD THAT TRUST.
WELL, AND I, AND I'M HAPPY YOU SAY THAT.
ANYONE THAT NEEDS HELP OR NEEDS ASSISTANCE, PLEASE CALL US.
WE'LL, WE'LL BE THERE AND WE'LL SHOW UP.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON FROM THIS AGENDA ITEM, UH, RIGHT NOW, BUT AS A BOARD, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE A TIME TO MAYBE, UH, DISCUSS THIS, UM, A LITTLE BIT LATER.
THANK YOU, CHIEF, BEFORE WE, UH, WE MOVE ON.
UH, WELL, I GUESS, WE'LL, WE WILL NEED TO SET IN A, A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM, UH, TO DISCUSS, UH, THE CHIEF'S RESPONSE TO THIS MEMO.
UH, SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND, AND PUT THAT ON THERE.
UH, SO WE CAN, UH, DISCUSS WE, WE AS A BOARD, OUR REACTIONS, ANYTHING THAT WE WANNA DO MOVING FORWARD.
IT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.
CAN WE NOT JUST DISCUSS IT RIGHT NOW? IT'S UP TO YOU, BUT I MEAN, THIS TOPIC'S ON THE AGENDA, AND I'M SURE PEOPLE HAVE THOUGHTS, QUESTIONS.
WE'LL GIVE, UH, EACH BOARD MEMBER THREE MINUTES IF THEY WANNA RESPOND TO THIS.
UH, GO AHEAD AND KICK US OFF, BRANDON.
UH, CERTAINLY, UH, BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14.
UM, I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED IN THAT.
UM, WELL, I, LET ME TAKE A STEP BACK.
I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED IN THAT.
UH, I THINK, I THINK THE RESIDENTS OF DALLAS ARE OWED A LOT MORE TRANSPARENCY, PRIMARILY BECAUSE THESE ARE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.
I THINK, UH, IN THE PAST, UM, EVEN JUST A YEAR AGO, UM, THAT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY STANDARD.
AND THE ANSWERS THAT CHIEF CUOMO GAVE, I THINK, FIT VERY WELL WITHIN A NORMAL OPERATING ENVIRONMENT BETWEEN THE LOCAL POLICE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
UH, LIKE I SAID, THESE CIRCUMSTANCES NOW ARE EXTRAORDINARY.
UH, THIS IS, THIS IS A DIFFERENT SITUATION WHEN CHIEF COMA TALKS ABOUT BEING PREPARED TO COME TO THE AID OF ANY DALLAS RESIDENT WHEN THEY NEED HELP.
BUT WHAT WE ARE SEEING RIGHT NOW IN OTHER CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY, SPECIFICALLY MINNEAPOLIS, IS THAT PEOPLE NEED TO CALL THE POLICE TO PROTECT THEM FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
THEY NEED THE POLICE TO COME AND PROTECT THEM FROM BEING TERRORIZED BY ICE CCB, C-B-P-H-S-I.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED BEFORE WITH THESE AGENCIES.
UM, AND SO WHILE I THINK CHIEF CUOMO'S REMARKS MAKE SENSE UNDER NORMAL, UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES, I DON'T FEEL SAFER BASED ON THE VIDEOS I'M SEEING ON TV AND ON THE INTERNET OF THE WAY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS TREATING PEOPLE.
THEY JUST SHOT A WOMAN IN THE FACE THREE TIMES.
I MEAN,
THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE DRIVING AND GENERATING THE VIOLENCE IN THESE CITIES.
AND AS A DALLAS RESIDENT JUST SAID A FEW MINUTES AGO, PEOPLE ARE SCARED, AND THE PROTECTION WE MAY NEED MAY BE TO PROTECT US FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
AND SO WHEN CHIEF CUOMO SITS HERE AND SAYS THAT HE'S GONNA CONDUCT BUSINESS AS USUAL AND RESPOND TO CALLS FROM ICE AND OR CBP OR HSI, WHOEVER, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL BETTER.
I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED IN THAT.
I THINK WE'RE OWED MORE TRANSPARENCY, AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR, UM, SOME VERY ABNORMAL SITUATIONS.
AND, UM, SO I, I WILL LEAVE IT THERE.
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CAN CONTINUE TO, UM, PUSH THIS ISSUE.AND I DO EXPECT A FORMAL WRITTEN RESPONSE, UM, WITH REASONS FOR WHY DPD CAN'T BE MORE TRANSPARENT ABOUT HOW THEY'RE WORKING WITH, UH, FEDERAL AGENCIES THAT HAVE BECOME A MENACE TO COMMUNITIES AROUND AMERICA.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? UH, REACTION TO, UH, CHIEF CUOMO'S REACTION TO THE MEMO? I HAVE A COMMENT.
UM, DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, MY CONCERN IS NOT ONLY ICE, BUT AS THE GENTLEMAN SPOKE EARLIER, UNIDENTIFIED PEOPLE, KIDNAPPING, ATTACKING CITIZENS AND NON-CITIZENS.
HOW ARE WE BEING PROTECTED FROM THOSE FOLKS? GREAT QUESTION.
ANYONE ELSE? UH, DEREK PEGRAM, DISTRICT SIX.
IT ALSO BRINGS ABOUT, UM, THE WORD COMPLICITY COM COMPLICIT BEING COMPLICIT.
WHEN I THINK ABOUT, UM, THE CIVIL RIGHTS TIME, WHEN THERE WAS REALLY SOME, UH, SITUATION THAT YOU WOULD SAY, WELL, UM, IT WAS JUST THE WAY THAT THINGS WERE.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON.
IF I'M JUST GONNA BE ABLE TO SET A PERIMETER, I'M STILL LETTING, I'M STILL LETTING THAT HAPPEN.
SO WHEN YOU SAY UN UNIDENTIFIED PEOPLE OR BRINGING PEOPLE UNDER ARREST OR WHATEVER, WHY ISN'T, UH, DALLAS POLICE ABLE TO CALL THEM AND SAY, LET ME CHECK YOUR CREDENTIALS.
THEY CAN JUST SAY THAT THEY'RE ACE ICE FROM WHAT IT'S, FROM, WHAT THE, FROM WHAT WE SEE.
AND SO IF THEY CAN DO THAT, THEN THINGS LIKE PROSTITUTION AND HUMAN TRAFFICKING WOULD JUST KEEP GOING OFF THE RAIL.
BECAUSE IF I DECIDED I WANNA TRAFFIC SOMEBODY I COULD PUT ON AN ICE OUTFIT, COVER MY FACE AS BAD PEOPLE DO, AND ABDUCT ANYBODY I WANT TO.
AND AS A CITIZEN, IF THE DALLAS POLICE IS NOT GONNA SAY, AT LEAST LET ME SEE WHO YOU ARE, SHOW ME YOUR CREDENTIALS.
'CAUSE EVEN IF YOU GO ANYWHERE, WHEN, ANYTIME I SEE THAT FROM TV DOWN TO REAL LIFE, THEY'RE SHOWING THEIR CREDENTIALS, I'M SO AND SO, SO AND SO, LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
BUT IF THAT'S HOW IT'S GONNA BE HANDLED, THAT, YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE NOT A GOOD, UH, EXAMPLE OF, OF THE DALLAS POLICE HELPING DALLAS CITIZENS, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE CLAIMING TO DO, EVEN IN THE, UH, IN THE SIGHT OF SEEING THE WAY ACCESS IS RUNNING RAPID THROUGH OUR COUNTRY, OR A FEDERAL AGENCY IS RUNNING RAPID THROUGH OUR COUNTRY.
UH, WE HAVE A HAND RAISED ONLINE BOARD MEMBER, CHAGA HIGGINS, UH, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
UH, UM, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, THANK THE CHIEF FOR SHOWING UP, UM, ONCE AGAIN FOR US, YOU KNOW, THAT IS REALLY APPRECIATED.
EVEN IF IT MAYBE IS NOT THE ANSWER IN THE RESPONSES WE WANTED TO HEAR, BUT IT, AT LEAST HE SHOWED UP, UM, AND ENGAGED US AND LET US KNOW WHERE HE STANDS.
UH, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, MY POINT IS, UH, TO THAT POINT IS THAT IS WHERE HE STANDS, RIGHT? UM, WE ALSO HAVE A JOB, UH, RELATED TO THE SAFETY TRANSPARENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY, UH, FOR, UH, THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS PARTICULARLY, UH, AND RESIDENTS AND CITIZENS OF DALLAS, PARTICULARLY THOSE WHO HAVE HAD A HISTORICAL PROBLEM WITH POLICING IN, IN THIS CITY.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY WE EXIST, IS BECAUSE OF THOSE PROBLEMS. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS DOES NOT HAVE TO STOP HERE.
UM, THAT IS THE CHIEF'S, UH, RECOMMENDATION AND HIS DECISION.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I DO FEEL LIKE THAT WE NEED TO, AND I'M WILLING TO LISTEN TO OTHER COMMENTS FROM OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, SEEMS LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE RAISED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THEM TO HAVE FINAL SAY.
UM, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH REPORTING THAT IS AFTER THE FACT.
RIGHT NOW, THERE'S AN OPEN PORTAL WITH ALL KIND OF INCIDENTS ARREST AND OTHER POLICE DATA, UH, THAT IS FROM WHEN THAT IS REPORTED AFTER THE FACT, RIGHT? AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR PROACTIVE POLICING, UH, DATA OR INFORMATION THAT COULD DETER ANY TYPE OF ACTIVITIES THEY HAVE GOING ON, OR, OR ANYTHING THAT THEY HAVE GOING ON IN THE PRESENT.
SO I, I THINK IT WOULD BE NOT, IT'S NOT UNREASONABLE FOR US TO, YOU KNOW,
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UH, TO TAKE THIS A STEP FURTHER BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THE POWER AND THE ABILITY TO DO THAT AND RAISE THIS TO OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS IF WE FEEL THE NEED.ANYONE ELSE? YES, MR. BA, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
UH, AGAIN, I WANNA, UM, REPEAT THE THANKS FOR CHIEF CUOMO FOR COMING HERE TO ADDRESS OUR MEMO.
UM, IT, IT IS VERY NICE TO HAVE HIM PRESENT HERE.
UM, AND I DO APPRECIATE HIS CONCERNS REGARDING OFFICER SAFETY AND ONGOING OPERATIONS.
BUT I WOULD ECHO BOARD MEMBER FRIEDMAN'S DISAPPOINTMENT AND HIS POINT THAT WE ARE LIVING IN UNPRECEDENTED TIMES.
AND TO ALSO LATCH ONTO THE LAST, UH, COMMENT BEING MADE ABOUT THESE.
THERE, IT DOES SEEM TO ME THERE MAY BE WAYS TO HAVE INCREASED TRANSPARENCY WITH REGULAR REPORTS, WHILE ALSO MAINTAINING OFFICER SAFETY AND NOT RISKING ONGOING OPERATIONS.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR LIVE REPORTS OF ON, UH, IN, IN OPERATION OF OPERATIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.
UH, IF IT NEEDS TO BE A MONTH DELAYED, IF IT NEEDS TO BE ANONYMIZED IN CERTAIN WAYS, UH, OR BE VERY HIGH LEVEL IN CERTAIN WAYS.
UH, WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR INCREASED TRANSPARENCY, UH, TO HELP THE CITIZENS TRUST DPD MORE.
SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD DELVE INTO WHEN, IN OUR RESPONSE.
YES, MR. MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO, UH, JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO, I, I ALSO WANT TO, UM, UH, ECHO, UH, AS WE THANK THE CHIEF FOR, FOR COMING TO OUR MEETING.
UM, WAS IT THE ANSWER WE WANTED? NO, BUT AS IT WAS MENTIONED A FEW MINUTES AGO, WE REPRESENT THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY.
AND RIGHT NOW, THE CITY IS AFRAID.
AND AS THE POLICE CHIEF, I'M SURE IT HAS TO DISTURB HIM, BECAUSE AS A FATHER AND GRANDFATHER AND L AND LEGACY MEMBER OF THE CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENT, IT WORRIES ME.
PARENTS AREN'T GOING TO SCHOOL.
CHILDREN AREN'T GOING, UH, PARENTS, UH, PARENTS AREN'T GOING TO WORK.
CHILDREN AREN'T GOING TO SCHOOL.
AND WE'RE IN A, IN AN UNPRECEDENTED TIME WHERE MASS MEN ARE RUNNING RAMPANT AROUND DOING WHATEVER.
AND IT, IT BRINGS ME TO A POINT OF TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY, AND THEY GO HAND IN HAND.
IF YOU GOT A BADGE AND A GUN, YOU HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE TO SOMEBODY.
BUT IN MY TIME IN THE MARINE CORPS, I COULDN'T RAISE MY WEAPON TO ANYBODY WITHOUT BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND HAVING A REASON.
AND TO SAY THAT DPD DOESN'T TAKE PART IN ANY IMMIGRATION, UM, SITUATIONS, BUT THEY PROVIDE HELP, MEANING THEY PROVIDE THE PERIMETER.
SO YOU CIRCLE THE WAGONS WHERE ANY NO ONE CAN GET IN TO HELP THOSE WHO NEED HELP.
THAT'S KIND OF HOW I, I, I BREAK THAT DOWN IN MY MIND BECAUSE IF SOMEONE CALLS AND SAY, THE BAD GUYS ARE AFTER ME, THEY'RE HERE.
AND ICE CALLS DPD, AND SAY, YOU GUYS STAND BACK THERE AND WE'RE GONNA DO WHATEVER WE'RE GONNA DO IN HERE, THEN, THEN WHAT BECOMES OF THAT? BECAUSE THOSE WHO ARE NEEDING HELP THAT MADE THE CALL, DON'T GET ANY HELP.
AND IT'S, IT'S VERY, VERY UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE EVERYTHING NOWADAYS IS POLITICAL.
AND YOU KNOW, THE GUY IN DC WILL SAY, I'LL JUST CUT OFF YOUR FUNDING.
AND THEN EVERYBODY IN DALLAS THAT WORKS IN THIS, IN THIS, UH, BUILDING LOSES THEIR, YOU KNOW WHAT? BECAUSE NO MONEY'S COMING HERE.
BUT I'M GONNA SAY MY, MY LAST 20 SECONDS, I'M GONNA SAY THIS IN JUST A FEW MONTHS, FIFA AND THE WORLD WILL BE IN DALLAS.
COULD YOU IMAGINE THE SHOCK WAVES AROUND THE WORLD WHEN SOMEONE THAT HAS COME HERE TO VISIT DALLAS TO GO TO A SOCCER GAME IS PICKED UP BY ICE? BECAUSE
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THEY DON'T SPEAK THE LANGUAGE.BUT THERE CAN BE A CASE OF MISTAKEN IDENTITY BECAUSE OF THE WAY THINGS ARE BEING HANDLED RIGHT NOW.
AND WE WILL BE IN DEEP S**T WHEN THAT HAPPENS.
MS. SIMON, JULIA SIMON, DISTRICT 13.
UM, UH, I APPRECIATE THE, THE, THE CHIEF BEING HERE.
THE, THE ONE COMMENT I WANNA MAKE IS THAT WE ARE ALL AWARE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS RECRUITING HEAVILY NEW ICE AGENTS.
AND I HOPE THE CHIEF WILL RECONSIDER THE IDEA OF GIVING TRAINING TO DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS JUST TO KEEP THEM SAFE.
SO THEY'LL HAVE A PROCESS OF PROCEDURE AND PROTOCOL TO FOLLOW IF THEY ENCOUNTER AN ICE AGENT WHO IS A ROOKIE OUT THERE WHO MAY NOT BE FOLLOWING PROPER PROCEDURE AND PUTS OUR OWN CITIZENS IN DANGER.
THANK YOU, MS. SIMON, JUDGE LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT.
UM, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, WE APPRECIATE CHIEF, THE CHIEF BEING HERE TO SPEAK WITH US.
UH, WE RECALL WHEN NO CHIEF WOULD COME TO SPEAK WITH THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.
AND FOR THAT, I GIVE HIM THE KUDOS FOR DOING SO.
HOWEVER, I AM CONCERNED, BECAUSE I DID NOT HEAR ANY INDICATION OF HOW THIS COVER THESE POLICE OFFICERS WHO ARE WORKING PERIMETER IDENTIFY THE PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE WORKING PERIMETER FOR.
HOW DO WE KNOW? HOW DO THEY KNOW WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE? THEY'RE MASKED.
THEY HAVE BADGES AND SIGNS THAT SAY, POLICE, WE CAN BUY THAT AT YOUR LOCAL ARMY, NAVY STORE.
SO, HOW DO WE KNOW WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE? I'M OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER WHEN MASKS INDICATED, OH, I DON'T KNOW K, K, K, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? AND I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I BELIEVE THAT THE, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THE CHIEF WITH RESPECT TO HOW HIS PEOPLE ARE INSTRUCTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE PROTECTING ARE ACTUALLY, UM, FEDERAL AGENTS AND NOT SOME BOGUS FOLKS OUT THERE.
I GOT A REAL PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I WISH WE'D HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS HERE TODAY, BUT I'M HOPING THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO PUT IT ONTO THE AGENDA SO THAT WE CAN ASK SUCH QUESTIONS.
I DID NOT HEAR A HAPPY OR A FULL EXPLANATION THE LAST TIME I ASKED THAT, BUT HOPEFULLY THEY'LL DO SO THIS TIME.
ANY MORE? BOARD MEMBERS? ANY COMMENTS? YEAH, REST ASSURED, UH, WE SERVE THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS.
UH, THIS IS A MATTER THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS, SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO US.
AND, UH, THIS MEMO WAS AN ATTEMPT FOR TRANSPARENCY.
UM, THIS ROUTE DIDN'T WORK THIS TIME, BUT, UH, THE STORY'S NOT OVER, AND I THINK WE OWE IT TO THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS TO CONTINUE, UM, SEEKING THAT TRANSPARENCY.
UH, WE AS A BOARD, OF COURSE, WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE OFFICER'S LIVES ARE SAFE.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OPERATIONS ARE, UM, UH, ABLE TO, TO GO FORWARD WITHOUT ANY INTERRUPTION.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE ALSO BELIEVE THERE'S A WAY, UH, THERE, THERE'S A WAY WHERE WE CAN HAVE THAT TRANSPARENCY.
WE CAN BUILD TRUST IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND, UM, THOSE THINGS CAN HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME.
SO, WE'LL, UH, WE'LL CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION AS A BOARD.
I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S COMMENTS TODAY, AND I DO APPRECIATE CHIEF'S PRESENCE HERE, UH, TODAY.
AND, UH, WE'LL CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION IN SEARCH OF, UH, TRANSPARENCY, OPENNESS, UH, FOR, UM, THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE, UH, BACK TO THE, UH, ORIGINAL, UH, AGENDA ITEM, UH, THAT WE LEFT OFF ON.
WE'VE JUST APPROVED THE DECEMBER 9TH MINUTES.
SO WE'RE GONNA NOW MOVE TO ITEM FIVE, UPDATE ON THE REQUEST FOR NINE ONE ONE.
EMERGENCY RESPONSE CALL TO ARREST DATA.
UH, THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO CALL SIERRA MAJOR BASUI AND ALSO, UM, MAJOR STEVEN BISHOP, MAJOR BISHOP, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AS WELL AS WE, UH, MIX THE AGENDA ITEMS UP A LITTLE BIT AND PUT YOU DOWN.
SO, YEAH, FEEL FREE TO HAVE A SEAT.
AND, UM, THERE'S A, A, A, ALSO AN ATTACHMENT ON IN YOUR BINDERS BOARD MEMBERS THAT WILL ACCOMPANY THIS, UH, UPDATE.
AND SO I, NOW I'D LIKE TO GIVE THE FLOOR TO POLICY ANALYST, SIERRA BASUI AND MAJOR STEPHEN A. BISHOP.
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.I'M SIERRA OBASI, THE OCPO POLICY ANALYST.
AND TO MY RIGHT IS MAJOR STEVEN BISHOP.
OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, WE HAVE PRESENTED AN ANALYZE RESPONSE TIME DATA, WHICH FOCUSES ON CALL FOR SERVICE PRIORITY TYPES AND PRIORITY CALL VOLUME BY PATROL VISION.
THIS MEMO PROVIDES ADDITIONAL DATA FOCUSED ON CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT RESULTED IN ARREST, BROKEN DOWN BY PATROL DIVISION, AND COVERING FISCAL YEAR 2023 TO CURRENT.
THE DATA ALSO INCLUDES OUT OF TOWN ARRESTS DEFINED AS ARREST OCCURRED OUTSIDE OF THE DALLAS CITY LIMITS PRIORITY FIVE AND PRIORITY SEVEN ARE INCLUDED IN THE ANALYSIS.
PRIORITY FIVE IS NON-EMERGENCY REPORTS TYPICALLY HANDLED BY PSES OR PUBLIC SERVICE EXPEDITORS IN THE 9 1 1 COMMUNICATION CENTER.
AND THEN PRIORITY FIVE, PRIORITY SEVEN ARE OFFICER INITIATED ACTIVITIES.
OVERALL, THE DATA INDICATES THAT ARREST OCCUR ACROSS ALL PRIORITIES, PRIORITY ONE, TWO, AND SEVEN BEING THE MOST CONSISTENT.
I HAVE PROVIDED THIS DATA, BUT IT'S NOT IN YOUR BOARD BINDERS.
SO, BUT MAJOR STEVENS IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU WERE, IF YOU DID GO OVER THAT DATA.
AND, UH, MAJOR BISHOP, UH, WILL YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOUR ROLE IS AT DPD? UM, WHAT SPECIFICALLY YOU DO AND, AND, UH, INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO MEET YOU YET.
I'M A MAJOR OF DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND I'M CURRENTLY THE COMMANDER OF THE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT DIVISION.
THAT DIVISION HOUSES OUR CRIME ANALYSIS SECTION, PLANNING UNIT, WHICH HANDLES THE POLICY, UH, BACK AND FORTH, AND ALSO OUR UCR ERS, OUR STAFF REVIEW, WHICH TAKES REPORTS, UH, IN THE FIELD FROM THE OFFICERS AND APPROVES THOSE.
SO, UH, ESSENTIALLY I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE, UH, UH, COUNTING ALL THE CRIME.
UH, I ALSO AM INVOLVED IN CAD DATA ARREST DATA, ALL ANY DATA THAT HAS TO DO WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND, UH, MAKING SURE IT GETS REPORTED BOTH TO NEIGHBORS, THE CRIME AND ARREST DATA AS REQUIRED, AND AS WELL AS THROUGH MY CRIME ANALYSIS UNIT, WHICH MANY OF YOU PROBABLY USE OUR DASHBOARDS OR SEE OUR REPORTS THAT COME PRETTY CONSISTENTLY DAILY AT THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL.
UH, BEYOND THAT, I'M ALSO A CRIMINOLOGIST, AND SO THAT'S WHAT MAKES THE, UH, POSITION THAT I'M IN TO, TO CHECK THE DATA AND, AND OFTEN PUT OUT MANY OF THE REPORTS, DATA REPORTS THAT ARE SEEN.
SO, WELL, THAT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE.
SO YOU, YOU OVERSEE THE, THE, THE DASHBOARD THAT WE LOOK AT AND WE SEE YOU PROVIDE THE DATA, UH, FOR THAT OR OVERSEE THAT? SO IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A D YES, SIR.
IF IT'S A DPD DASHBOARD, I, I LOOK AT IT, UH, I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE VALIDITY OF THE DATA BEHIND IT.
THAT'S MY PRIMARY GOAL, UH, TO ENSURE THAT RATHER THAN NUMBERS OF ONE OR THE OTHER, THAT THE CRIME IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT AND WE'RE REPORTING IT AS WE SHOULD.
AS AGAIN, UH, MUCH OF THAT'S REQUIRED THROUGH BRS.
THAT'S, UH, DATA THAT I SENT TO HER IS A DATA SET THAT I COMMONLY USE FOR ARREST CALL DATA.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND, UH, FOR BEING WILLING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I WANNA OPEN UP TO THE BOARD AT THIS TIME, THOSE THAT HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE, THE REPORT.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD MAY HAVE IN, IN REGARD TO, UH, NINE ONE ONE EMERGENCY RESPONSE CALL TO ARREST DATA, UH, THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED TO MAJOR BISHOP OR POLICY ANALYST SIERRA? YES, MS. KING, UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
THIS IS MORE OF A GENERAL QUESTION AND THE USE OF 9 1 1.
I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT IF YOU HAVE, UM, AN ISSUE, WHETHER IT'S SOMEONE STANDING AT A CORNER ASKING FOR MONEY OR ACTING ERRATICALLY OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT HAPPENS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU SHOULD CALL THAT IN BECAUSE THE MORE DATA YOU HAVE THAT SHOWS THERE ARE CALLS IN A CERTAIN GEOGRAPHIC AREA, YOU MIGHT DEPLOY MORE RESOURCES.
IS THAT WHAT YOU SEE AS A RESULT OF THE DATA YOU CRUNCH? YES, MA'AM.
SO THAT'S, THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT OPERATIONS ARE LARGELY DRIVEN BY THE DATA MM-HMM
SO WHILE THEY'RE, UH, UH, IF YOU SEE ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR ON NEXTDOOR, VARIOUS UH, PLATFORMS, PEOPLE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT THE CRIME, BUT THEY DON'T CALL IF, IF, IF YOU'RE NOT CALLING OR WE'RE NOT RESPONDING TO IT, WE DON'T KNOW THAT IT HAS HAPPENED.
SO YES, THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION I MAKE, UH, WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THAT OR ASK ME IS IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM CALL, SO WE KNOW IT'S THERE.
AND IF I, AND I HAVE, I CALLED THE OTHER DAY
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FOR AUTOMATIC GUNFIRE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I WE'RE, I KNOW THAT YOU ALL ARE TRYING TO ATTRACT SOME OF THESE PEOPLE DOWN THAT USE THE WOODS NEAR MY HOUSE AS TARGET PRACTICE TO SELL GUNS.UM, AND SO I ALWAYS CALL AND I TELL MY, I HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD CHAT, PLEASE CALL 9 1 1 AND LOG IT.
AND THEN I ALSO EMAILED MY COUNCIL PERSON SO THAT SHE WOULD KNOW, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO SHUT DOWN.
AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE CALLS, YOU CAN'T SEE THAT SOMETHING'S HAPPENING LIKE YOU JUST SAID.
IT'S JUST HELPFUL, I THINK, FOR THAT TO BE REINFORCED WITH US.
AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.
I'M JUDGE LANDER WITH DISTRICT EIGHT.
WHO MAKES THE DETERMINATION AS TO WHEN AN NINE ONE ONE CALL COMES IN, WHETHER IT SHOULD BE PRIORITY ONE OR PRIORITY TWO, OR EVEN PRIORITY THREE? SO WHEN THE CALL COMES IN AND THE CALL TAKER RECEIVES THE CALL AND, UH, SHE WILL CODE IT AS IT SOUNDS, IT'S SORT OF INTUITIVE.
UH, FOR INSTANCE, A FAMILY FIGHT, A HUSBAND, WIFE, ARGUING, FIGHTING WOULD BE WHAT WE WOULD CODE AS A SIX X OR A FAMILY OR, UH, UH, UH, A DOMESTIC DISTURBANCE.
UH, IF SOMEBODY, IF YOU SAY SOMEBODY HELD A GUN TO YOU AND TOOK YOUR MONEY, A ROBBERY, SO MANY OF THOSE CALLS ARE INTUITIVE.
IF THEY'RE UNSURE WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU NEED POLICE, THEY MIGHT CODE IT AS ANOTHER.
WHAT WE MIGHT SAY IS A 40, UH, AND THEN AGAIN, IF, IF, IF IT'S AN IN PROGRESS FELONY, SOMEBODY'S BEING HURT, THAT MIGHT BE, RECEIVE A HIGHER PRIORITY CALL DEPENDING ON WHAT'S HAPPENING, SOMEBODY'S SHOT CUT WITH A KNIFE.
UH, BUT THE DECISION TREE AND, AND HOW THEY DO THAT, I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU FROM MY END, HAVING SEEN THE CALLS AND ANSWERED THE CALLS, WHAT THAT, HOW THAT TAKES PLACE.
BUT, UH, THE, UH, THE, UH, DIRECTOR OVER COMMUNICATIONS MAY HAVE AN ACTUAL DECISION TREE FOR THAT, BUT WHEN THEY CODE THOSE CALLS, IT GOES TO THE DISPATCHER TO FURTHER ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
AND WHEN THE DISPATCHER GETS IT, THEY'LL SEND IT OUT TO AN OFFICER BASED ON PRIORITY.
CERTAIN CALLS ARE DISPATCHED BEFORE OTHERS, BUT IF SUPERVISORS IN THE FIELD ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT, AND IF THEY THINK IT'S CODED WRONG, THEY CAN CHANGE THE PRIORITY OF THE CALL OR CHANGE THAT.
SO IT MAY GET TO RESPONDED TO MORE QUICKLY, UH, SAY THAT FAMILY DISTURBANCE IS NOW TURNING INTO, UH, UH, AN EX-BOYFRIEND THAT'S TAKING THE WOMAN'S CHILD.
SO YOU DON'T JUST HAVE A DISTURBANCE NOW YOU HAVE POTENTIALLY A, A KIDNAPPING IN PROGRESS SORT OF CALL, AND AN OFFICER HAPPENS TO SEE THE, UH, SERGEANT SEES THAT IN THE COMMENTS, HE CAN CHANGE THE PRIORITY.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S A FLUID THING.
THIS IS WHAT THE CALL IS, AND THAT'S WHAT IT HAS TO BE.
SO THERE'S DECISIONS MADE ALL ALONG THE WAY UNTIL THE OFFICER RESPONDS.
SO THE, UH, INITIAL DETERMINATION IS MADE BY THE PERSON WHO RECEIVES THE PHONE CALL NOW? YES.
DO, AND DO THEY GO TO THEIR SUPERVISOR IF THEY FEEL THAT, WELL, I'M NOT SURE WHETHER THIS IS A PRIORITY ONE OR A PRIORITY TWO, OR DO THEY JUST SEND IT OUT? I'M SURE THEY DO.
I CAN'T SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO THE CALL CENTER, UH, IS THAT IN COMMUNICATIONS, BUT THAT THEY HAVE SUPERVISORS THERE TO ANSWER THOSE VERY QUESTIONS, SO I WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE ACTUAL CALL PEOPLE AS TO HOW THAT'S DONE.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS TIME? YEAH, I HAVE A MR. MAPLES, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, MAJOR.
UH, SO I I I HAVE A QUESTION AS IT RELATES TO HOW YOU, UM, DISSECT THE DATA WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT CALL TIMES, AND I'M, I'M REAL CURIOUS ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE THE DATA THAT WE SEE, EVERYTHING FROM ARREST, UH, TO CALL TIMES CAN BE SOMETIMES CONFUSING, BUT SOMETIMES QUESTIONABLE AS IT RELATES TO DOGGONE IT.
SO I WAS RAISED NORTH OF 30, BUT ALL MY FAMILY LIVED SOUTH OF 30, EVEN INTO THE, UH, SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK AREA.
AND CALL TIME VARIES SIGNIFICANTLY.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT DATA, BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE ON THE GROUND AND YOU'RE NOT IN, YOU KNOW, A BLUE UNIFORM WEARING A BADGE, YOU HEAR CERTAIN THINGS ABOUT WHAT THE CALL TIME LOOKS LIKE AND WHY PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY'RE NOT GETTING THE SERVICES THAT THEY DESERVE, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE TAX PAYING CITIZENS.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT DATA, NORTH VERSUS SOUTH VERSUS EAST VERSUS WEST, HOW DO YOU DETERMINE OR HOW DO YOU PUT TOGETHER
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A PLAN TO ADDRESS THOSE CALL TIMES? SO I CAN ADDRESS THE DATA QUESTION.THE, THE PLANNING IS FOR MY EXECUTIVE BOSSES ON HOW THEY WANT TO ADDRESS THAT.
I'M CONCERNED WITH, UH, THE DATA ITSELF.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AND, AND THE DATA CAN BE VERY CONFUSING, UH, PARTICULARLY DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION ORIGINALLY WAS HOW DO I LOOK AT IT? I WILL LOOK AT IT, UH, BASED ON WHAT I'M BEING ASKED FOR, SUCH AS THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT ASKED ME TO LOOK AT SPECIFICALLY ARREST BY PRIORITY.
UH, WE, I, THERE IS SO MUCH DATA INVOLVED IN, IN, IN THE CALL, UH, UH, INFORMATION THAT, THAT YOU CAN REALLY DRILL DOWN TO WHAT YOU WANT TO.
UH, SO IF YOU WOULD ASK ME THIS PARTICULAR QUESTION, IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT NORTH VERSUS SOUTH BY PRIORITY, WHICH I HAVE, UH, FOR ANOTHER PROJECT, THE, THE, UH, THE WAY I WOULD LOOK AT IT IS SIMPLY DO THAT.
I WOULD DIVIDE IT OUT, AND I'LL TELL YOU HOW I DID IT, IS I REMOVED CENTRAL BECAUSE CENTRAL DIVISION IS IN THE CENTER, AND I LOOK STRICTLY TO THREE DIVISIONS NORTH, THREE DIVISIONS SOUTH.
AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT I SPENT, UH, OF MY 35 YEARS, MORE THAN 26 OF IT IN PATROL, AND NEARLY EVERY MINUTE OF THAT WAS IN SOUTH OF I 30 SOUTH OAK, SOUTH OAK, CLIFF, PLEASANT GROVE, SOUTH DALLAS, WEST DALLAS, ALL OF THAT.
SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND WHEN YOU DELVE INTO THOSE CALLS, YOU ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT STAFFING LEVELS AND THE NUMBER OF CALLS COMING OUT.
SO TO USE YOUR EXAMPLE, NORTH VERSUS SOUTH, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FOUND WAS IF YOU HOLD THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS CONSTANT, WHICH THE NUMBER OF ACTUAL CALL ANSWERS AT EACH DIVISION DO NOT VARY THAT MUCH BY WATCH OR DIVISION.
IF YOU HAVE A NORTHERN DIVISION THAT HAS, AND I'M JUST THROWING OUT NUMBERS AS AN EXAMPLE, BUT IF YOU HAVE 10 OFFICERS TO HANDLE 10 PRIORITY ONE CALLS IN THE NORTHERN DIVISION, AND THE SAME 10 OR 12 OFFICERS IN THE SOUTHERN DIVISION THAT HAVE 50 PRIORITY ONE CALLS TO ANSWER THOSE CALLS JUST ARE NOT GOING GET ANSWERED AS QUICKLY.
UH, I CAN TELL YOU PERSONALLY FROM OFFICERS, WHEN OFFICERS RECEIVE A CALL, THEY WANT TO GET THERE.
THE HOTTER THE CALL, THE FASTER THEY WANT TO GET THERE.
OFFICERS ARE EXTREMELY MOTIVATED TO GET TO CALLS.
THEY DON'T WAIT AROUND, THEY DON'T GO TO THE SEVEN 11 AND GRAB A DONUT.
UM, SO I I, WE HAVEN'T MET, SO YOU DON'T KNOW ME, BUT IF, IF, IF I COULD ASSURE YOU, UH, THAT AS A CITIZEN, PARTICULARLY THOSE IN SOUTHERN DALLAS, THAT WHEN OFFICERS GET CALLS, THEY WANT TO GET THERE.
OFFICERS KNOW WHERE YOUR VIOLENT CRIME AREAS ARE, THEY KNOW WHERE THE, WHERE THE DRUG HOUSES ARE, WHERE THE PROSTITUTION IS, WHERE ALL THE THINGS ARE GOING ON.
AND, UH, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT THEY, THEY WANT TO DO.
IT'S SIMPLY A CALL VOLUME ISSUE VERSUS NUMBER OF OFFICERS.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE LOOKED AT.
UH, WE COULD TALK A WHOLE LOT MORE ABOUT ALL THAT BECAUSE I'M, I'M VERY, UH, ANIMATED ABOUT THE RESPONSE TIME DATA AS I'VE BEEN IN IT FOR MANY YEARS NOW, AND HAVE LARGE DATA SETS ON IT AND LOOK AT IT FROM MANY DIFFERENT ANGLES.
BUT AS FAR AS THE DATA GO, YOU CAN REALLY LOOK AT WHATEVER YOU WANT TO, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU FILTER THINGS OR WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE.
AND I, I HOPE THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, BUT THE DATA IS SO EXPANSIVE THAT AS A CRIMINOLOGIST, LOOKING BACK AT ALL THIS DATA, I HAVE TO FORM A THEORY.
WHAT A THEORY, WHAT AM I BEING ASKED? SO WHAT DO I LOOK FOR? I EXCLUDE EVERYTHING ELSE.
I WAS INVOLVED HEAVILY IN THE, THE SOB UH, ORDINANCE, AND I JUST KNOW THAT HOW I LOOK AT THE DATA AND HOW, AND, AND I TRY TO DO IT AS OBJECTIVELY AS POSSIBLE.
I HAVE NO, NO DESIRE TO SHOW ONE MORE OR THE OTHER.
I ONLY CARE IF THE DATA ARE CORRECT.
THAT'S ALL I CARE, AND I'LL REPORT IT IF THAT MAKES ME LOOK BAD OR MAKES MY DEPARTMENT LOOK BAD.
SO BE IT, THE DATA ARE WHAT THEY ARE, I HAVE ENOUGH YEAH.
THAT I, I, ENOUGH MY ETHICS ARE GROUNDED IN THAT.
AND WHAT I'M HEARING IS, IS PROBABLY A, UH, A STAFFING ISSUE AROUND CALL VOLUME.
AND HOPEFULLY WHEN THESE RECRUITED NUMBERS GET TO WHERE THEY NEED TO BE, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE A DIFFERENCE.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT IS, THAT IS WHERE WE GET HERE, HERE, HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE, AT LEAST IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YES, MS. PEGRAM, DISTRICT SIX, DERRICK PEGRAM,
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UH, THANK YOU FOR COMING.I WAS LOOKING AT THE, UM, PRIOR, UH, PRIORITY SEVEN, PRIORITY SEVEN, UM, OFFICER INITIATED CALL CONSISTS OF SELF-INITIATED ACTIVITIES BY OFFICERS.
EXAMPLE ON VIEW INCIDENCES, TRAFFIC STOPS, AND OTHER PROVOCATIVE ENFORCEMENT ACTION.
PROVOCATIVE MEANING UP ON THE PRIORITY, UP ON THE PRIORITY SEVEN.
AM I READING THAT RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S PROACTIVE.
YOU, THAT, THAT CLARIFIED THAT QUESTION.
NOW I, WHAT I DID NOTICE WAS, UM, FOR THE YEAR 25 TO 26 IN MY DISTRICT, DISTRICT SIX.
THE, UM, ILLUSTRATE OF LAURA, SHE, UM, I MEAN, NOT SHE, BUT THE, I SEE THAT IT GOES FROM 2200 TO 4 73 AND CENTRAL.
AND IN NORTHWEST IT GOES FROM 6 29 TO 29 60 TO 3 98 FROM ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT.
AND THEN FOR SOUTHWEST, WHICH IS STILL OUR DISTRICT, IT GOES FROM 1,382 TO 2 75.
YOU WERE DISCUSSING THE PRIORITY SEVEN.
PRIORITY 70 ON ALL THREE OF THOSE ON, IN CENTRAL, NORTHWEST AND NO.
AND SOUTHWEST, WHICH IS DISTRICT SIX OR LAURA KADENA.
UM, BUT I WAS SAYING THIS, IT'S SUCH A BIG NUMBER LAST YEAR AND IT GOES DOWN.
SO IS THAT PART OF WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT, UH, THE SUPERVISOR CAN, UM, REDIRECT WHAT'S PRIORITY OR HOW DID YOU STATE THAT? SO THE PRIORITY SEVEN CALLS, UH, DON'T REALLY FALL INTO THAT.
SO WHAT I WAS EXPLAINING ABOUT THE, THE OTHER PRIORITIES, THE ONE THROUGH FOUR IS THEY, THEY CAN BE CHANGED.
THAT'S OUR GENERAL CALL SIGNALS.
SO WHEN PRIORITY SEVEN SHOW UP IN THE DATA, WHAT THAT TELLS ME IS IT'S SOME SORT OF SELF-INITIATIVE, UH, INITIATED DATA THAT'S TRAFFIC STOPS OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
UH, THERE'S OUR, UH, FIVE EIGHT, UH, DATA, WHICH WE CALL THE INVESTIGATIVE STOPS, BUT IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THE CRIME PLAN.
FIVE EIGHT A IS 5 85 8 BS OR IF WE HAVE A RIGHT CARE ISSUE THAT HAS ITS OWN FIVE EIGHT SIGNAL.
SO A LOT OF THAT IS MASHED INTO THAT SEVEN.
UM, SO IF, WHEN YOU SEE DIFFERENCES, LIKE THAT'S, I PULLED IT, I BELIEVE BY FISCAL YEAR IS WHAT YOU, RIGHT.
SO, UM, THAT'S LIKE A HUGE JUMP.
I, I, ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS IT'S, THE NUMBERS ARE CORRECT.
THAT'S WHAT THE DATA IS SAYING.
NOT EXACTLY WHY, BUT SOMETHING IS, I ALSO HAVE TO BACK UP THE DATE THE DATA IS COMING FROM FACT THOUGH.
SO IS THAT LIKE SOMEBODY SAY, OKAY, WE HAVE TOO MANY COPS DOING THIS, THAT'S BREAK THAT DOWN AND THEY SHOULDN'T BE DOING THE PRO ACTIVE ENFORCEMENTS.
OR MAYBE IF THAT FALLS UP ON THE PROACTIVE PART OF IT.
'CAUSE OF COURSE THERE'S GONNA BE TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC STOPS, UH, ON VIEW INCIDENCES, BUT THE PROACTIVE IS KIND OF VAGUE.
SO, UM, IS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS INTENTIONAL, PURPOSEFUL BECAUSE IT REALLY JUMPS, IT LOOKS GOOD ON HERE.
IN ONE YEAR IT JUMPS THAT HARD.
'CAUSE I, IN MY DISTRICT, I'M TELLING YOU, WE LOOK LIKE WE WAS DOING SOME WILDING OUT, BUT ON THIS, FROM WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, FROM, FROM 25 TO 26, IT GOES DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY.
SO, MS. SIERRA, HOW DID YOU DO FY 26? WHEN IS THAT FISCAL? UM, THAT STARTS, I BELIEVE OCTOBER 1ST, 2025.
SO WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER AND JANUARY SO FAR.
WELL THAT, THAT COULD EXPLAIN SOME OF THAT.
CURIOSITY KILLED THE CAT SATISFACTION.
I ACTUALLY HAVE A FEW, A FEW QUESTIONS.
TO HAVE THE EXPERT, THE DATA EXPERT OF DALLAS PD HERE TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS.
IT MEANS A LOT AND IT BRINGS CLARITY AND THE TRANSPARENCY THAT WE SEEK.
THIS IS, UH, IT'S A GREAT STEP IN THAT DIRECTION.
I JUST HAVE A, A QUESTION REGARDING, UM, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PRIORITY ONE AND PRIORITY TWO, HOW THAT'S DETERMINED.
WHAT IS, WHAT WOULD FALL UNDER PRIORITY ONE VERSUS PRIORITY TWO, AND SPECIFICALLY WANTING TO KNOW WHAT IS PRIORITY TWO? UH, WHAT FALLS UNDER THAT BUCKET? I'M SO HAPPY YOU ASKED THAT.
UH, SO THE, THERE'S, THERE DECISIONS ARE, ARE, ARE MADE BASED ORIGINALLY ON PRIORITY ONES BEING
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WHO'S IN DANGER, WHOSE LIVES ARE, WHO'S IN FEAR OF IMMINENT BODILY INJURY OR DEATH ON THAT CALL RIGHT NOW.UH, THE PRIORITY TWOS THEN ARE WHO IS, IS IS THERE SOME SORT OF DISTURBANCE THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW? SO NOT NECESSARILY THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING SHOT AND JUST ARGUING WITH SOMEBODY OVER A PARKING SPACE.
BUT IN GENERAL, ANY CALL THAT IS A FELONY IN PROGRESS, NOT ANY CALL, BUT LARGELY THE CALLS THAT ARE FELONIES IN PROGRESS OR ONES WHERE SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BE OR LIKELY TO BE INJURED OR HAS BEEN SERIOUSLY INJURED, WILL BE YOUR PRIORITY ONE CALLS.
THAT'S THE, THE, THE THEORY BEHIND IT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE TRY TO KEEP TO.
SO THEN THE LOWER MOST OF YOUR CALLS FALL WITHIN THE PRIORITY TWOS.
WHEN IT'S TWO PEOPLE ARGUING OR YOU HAVE A REPORT, ONLY ROBBERIES ARE VERY IMPORTANT, BUT MANY TIMES, DEPENDING ON WHEN THE PERSON CALLS, IF YOU GET ROBBED IN ONE LOCATION AND DRIVE HOME AND THEN YOU DECIDE TO CALL, THAT WOULDN'T BE A ROBBERY IN PROGRESS, BUT MIGHT BE A ROBBERY CALL THAT WE NEED TO RESPOND TO NOW, BECAUSE YOU HAVE CURRENT SUSPECT INFORMATION.
YOU REMEMBER THE PLATE, YOU GOT IT WROTE DOWN, WE NEED TO GET THE INFORMATION.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, IT MAKES SENSE.
UM, DO, DO YOU HAVE ANY DATA TO, UH, YOU KNOW, AS A CRIMINOLOGIST HERE IN DALLAS, THE PERCENTAGE OR THE RATE OF ARRESTS, UH, ARRESTS MADE ON PRIORITY ONE CALLS VERSUS PRIORITY TWO? IS THERE ANY DATA THAT SPEAKS TO THAT? UH, LET'S SAY A PRIORITY ONE CALL IS MADE OR IS BEING RESPONDED TO PRIORITY ONE? IS THERE ANY DATA THAT SPEAKS TO HOW MANY ARRESTS ARE MADE, UH, PERCENTAGE WISE OR THE FREQUENCY OF ARRESTS ON A PRIORITY? ONE CALL? YES, SIR.
UH, IS THAT, THAT'S THAT'S THE DATE.
IT'S IN YEAH, IT'S IN, IT IS IN THERE.
THAT IS WHAT THIS REPORT WAS LARGELY ABOUT.
SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT I WAS ASKED FOR THIS WAS TO PULL THE NUMBER OF MM-HMM
CALLS THAT RELATED TO ARRESTS ARREST.
I HAVE TO DO THAT BACKWARDS AND JUST TAKE THE ARREST DATA, MERGE CAD DATA, SO THEN I CAN MATCH THAT INCIDENT NUMBER WITH THE PERFECT CALL THAT IT WAS CALLED ON.
SO YES, THAT, THAT'S THE DATA.
AND SO, YEAH, THE LAST QUESTION I DO WITH, UH, THAT, UM, REPORT THAT JUST CAME OUT, UH, ABOUT THE CITY OF DALLAS VIOLENT CRIME AND THE GOOD NEWS, RIGHT? 12% DOWN IN VIOLENT CRIME YES, SIR.
AND, UM, I WAS JUST CURIOUS, UM, IF, UM, THAT DATA PRIORITY ONE ARREST PRIORITY TWO ARRESTS, DO ANY OF, OF, OF THIS ARREST OF PRIORITY ONE AND TWO, DOES THAT HAVE ANY IMPACT IN THE ANNUAL REPORT THAT WAS PROVIDED AT ALL? OR IS THAT SEPARATE DATA? SO THE VIOLENT CRIME PLAN IS, IS AROUND THE, THE GRIDS THAT THEY USE, THE GRIDS AND CATCHMENT AREAS AND, AND CRIME COMING DOWN THERE.
I I HAVE THE INFORMATION, I'M SURE SOMEWHERE ON WHAT PRIORITY CALLS AND VERSUS ARRESTS ARE HAPPENING IN THOSE VARIOUS GRID AREAS, BUT NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
UH, SO WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE MEASURING CRIME IN A VIOLENT CRIME PLAN, THAT'S LARGELY WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS IN THESE VERY VIOLENT AREAS THAT WERE HIGH.
THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE OUT THERE, IS TO LOWER CRIME.
AND IN FACT, WHEN YOU LOWER CRIME IN THE VERY, BECAUSE NOT ALL AREAS ARE EQUALLY OPEN TO CRIME.
SOME NEIGHBORHOODS, SOME AREAS, SOME STREETS, YEAH.
HAVE MORE CRIME THAN THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IF YOU FOCUS ON CRIME THERE, LOWER THE CRIME THERE, THAT OVERALL BRINGS THE AVERAGE FOR THE CITY DOWN, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE FINDING.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S SO FAR SO GOOD AS FAR AS IT'S GOOD.
YEAH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT A DATA SCIENTIST OR CRIMINOLOGIST, BUT, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO MEASURING THE RATES OF VIOLENT CRIME, UM, WHICH ARE, AS FAR AS THE PRIORITY CALLS, UM, WHICH OF THE NUMBERS YOU THINK WOULD FALL UNDER THAT UMBRELLA, UH, OF VIOLENT CRIME, VIOLENT PRIORITY ONE PARTY TWO, WOULD THESE NORMALLY BE VIOLENT CRIME? THE, THE CRIME DATA THAT I SEND TO, UH, UT SAN ANTONIO, THEY'RE THE ONES WHO DO THE ANALYSIS.
WHEN WE PULL CALL DATA FOR THEM RELATED TO GRIDS, WE PULL THOSE CALLS THAT ARE, OR COULD BE LIKELY RELATED TO VIOLENCE OR GUN VIOLENCE.
SO I WILL SEND THEM THE SHOOTING CALLS, THE NINETEENS, BUT I ALSO SEND THEM THE, THE RANDOM GUNFIRE, THE SIX GS AND VARIOUS CALLS WHERE SOMEBODY IS CALLING ABOUT A SHOOTING, A DISTURBANCE, ARMED ENCOUNTER VEHICLE OR ON FOOT.
WE HAVE THOSE CALLS IDENTIFIED, WE IDENTIFIED EARLY ON IN, UH, THAT THEY IDENTIFIED FOR ME IN THE EARLY RESEARCH.
AND I, AND I CONFIRMED THAT'S WHAT I SEND THEM.
SO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT THEIR DATA ISN'T REALLY CENTERED AROUND THE PRIORITY, BUT THE TYPE OF CALL, SO WHEN THEY, THEY, THEY MERGE THOSE TWO TOGETHER IN THEIR DATA.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, I HOPE THERE, IF THERE'S ONE
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TAKEAWAY MAJOR IS THAT YOUR WORK MATTERS.I MEAN, YOU GOT, YOU GOT PEPPERED BY QUESTIONS FROM US, WHICH, UH, JUST KNOW THAT YOU DO YOUR DAILY, DAILY JOB.
THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT CARE ENOUGH, UH, ABOUT WHAT YOU DO, UH, TO, TO ASK QUESTIONS TO, TO WANT MORE ANSWERS.
AND SO THANK YOU, UM, FOR YOUR TIME HERE.
I DIDN'T APPEAR LIKE THERE'S ANYONE ONLINE OR IN PERSON THAT HAS ANY MORE QUESTIONS, UH, FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM.
SO, UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, SEE, SEE AND THERE'S NONE.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, MAJOR.
YOU'RE INVITED BACK ANYTIME, SO.
IT IS NOW TIME TO MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM SIX, ETERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION REPORT.
I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE MAJOR GONZALEZ, THE, UH, DIRECTOR OF IAD, CITY OF DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BEING HERE, BEING HERE AT EVERY MEETING.
ALSO, THANK YOUR STAFF AS WELL.
UM, I WANNA GIVE YOU THE FLOOR TO SHARE ANYTHING, UH, PERTINENT, UH, TO THIS, TO THIS BOARD.
I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UH, CURRENTLY WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT OUT, BUT I DO WANNA THANK EVERYBODY THAT WENT OUT ON THE EIGHTH TO THE ACADEMY.
UH, I TRY TO MAKE IT OUT THERE.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE SOME ID HEARINGS THAT I COULDN'T MAKE IT, BUT I STILL ENCOURAGE EACH ONE OF YOU TO COME DOWN TO MY OFFICE AND SEE THE PROCESS OF WORKING THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE GET.
SO, OTHER THAN THAT, I AM HERE.
WE'LL BE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS MIGHT COME UP.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MAJOR GONZALEZ? NO, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT WE'RE REMINDED OF HIS EMAIL ADDRESS SO WE CAN BE PROACTIVE AND MAKE THOSE APPOINTMENTS.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE IT AND I WOULD LOVE TO.
I'M SURE I'VE BEEN GIVEN IT, SO I JUST WOULD MAKE IT EASY FOR ME.
WELL, THAT'S NOTED IN THE MINUTES.
AND I KNOW THE STAFF, THEY JUST READ THE MINUTES TWO OR THREE TIMES, JUST COMB OVER IT.
UM, AND SO YEAH, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S SENT OUT.
I JUST TO YOU OR THERE, THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE, UH, BOARD, WE'LL SEND IT TO THE ENTIRE BOARD JUST TO BE SAFE.
UH, THAT I LET THAT BE IN THE MINUTES AND WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
AND MR. CHAIR, UM, JUDGE, UH, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE MAJOR FOR, UM, THE, UM, I'S INVOLVEMENT IN OUR TRAINING OR THE OBSERVATION OF THE TRAINING.
IT WAS FASCINATING, AND I'M VERY HAPPY TO HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO ALONG WITH A FEW OF MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS.
UH, I WAS LOOKING FOR YOU, SIR, AND I WAS DISAPPOINTED NOT TO STOP, FIND YOU, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
I, I TRY TO MAKE THE BEST OF GOING OUT THERE, BUT WE HAD THREE DISCIPLINE HEARINGS THAT AT THAT TIME.
BUT I WANTED TO THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF MY COLLEAGUES FOR, UH, QUITE A DEMONSTRATION.
AND, UH, I WILL BE GOING BACK AND I'M GONNA WRITE DOWN YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS TOO, 'CAUSE I'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU.
WE'LL, NOW MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM SEVEN, CPOB REPORTS, BRIEFINGS, ITEM A UNDER THAT TITLE, APPROVAL OF THE 2025 CPOB ANNUAL REPORT.
IF THE BOARD CAN TAKE SOME TIME RIGHT NOW.
UH, I BELIEVE IT'S UNDER TAB, TAB FOUR.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE TO APPROVE IT TODAY.
UM, THIS WILL BE PRESENTED, UH, TO, UM, THE CITY COUNCIL, I BELIEVE, OR THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS OR PUBLIC, UH, SAFETY COMMITTEE NEXT MONTH.
WHO, WHO IS THIS REPORT GOING TO? IT'S GONNA GO TO CITY MANAGER AND SHE'S GONNA FORWARD IT TO THE MAYOR IN THIS, UM, CITY COUNCIL.
UM, THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO ADD AS WELL, AND I BELIEVE OZZY, HE MADE SOME CHANGES AFTER THE ANNUAL REPORT WAS PUBLISHED.
SO HE WOULD, THAT MOTION NEEDS TO REFLECT THOSE CHANGES.
SO IS IS THE MO THE PACKET WE HAVE TODAY? THAT'S THE UTMOST UPDATED? YES.
SO WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET IS THE MOST UPDATED, I THINK, UH, VICE CHAIR WAS SO WISE TO, TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE VISUALLY APPEALING, ADD SOME PHOTOS OF THE STAFF OF THE BOARD.
UM, SO THOSE WERE SOME OF THE CHANGES HE, HE SUGGESTED.
WE ALSO SENT IT OUT TO AHEAD OF TIME TO GET, UH, A PROOF.
MS. SIMON, YOU, YOU WERE A PROOFREADER, UH, JUDGE LANDER, YOU WERE A PROOFREADER.
UH, AND BRENDA FRIEDMAN, UH, YOU WERE A PROOFREADER.
WE SENT IT TO I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION.
THE ONE I HAVE IN MY EMAIL IS NOT THIS, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WE SENT THE UPDATED ONE TO THE EMAIL AS WELL.
SO, UH, YOUR EMAIL SHOULD HAVE THE MOST UPDATED
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AS WELL.SO WE HAVE THE MOST UPDATED IN YOUR PACKET AND IN THE EMAIL.
UM, BUT IT'S BEEN PROOFREAD BY SEVERAL MEMBERS.
UH, THEY, THEY SHARED THEIR COMMENTS INCLUDING VICE CHAIR, UM, UH, SMITH.
AND, UM, SO THE BOARD HAS HAD AN EYE ON IT, UH, AHEAD OF TIME.
BUT WE WANNA PRESENT THE ENTIRE BOARD FOR FULL APPROVAL.
SO TAKE A FEW MINUTES RIGHT NOW, UH, LOOK THROUGH IT IF YOU'D LIKE, UH, KNOWING THAT, UM, UH, YOUR, YOUR CO-BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ALSO LOOKED THROUGH IT AND, AND, UH, GIVEN THEIR STAMP OF APPROVAL AND MADE SUGGESTIONS AND CHANGES.
UM, AND WHENEVER A BOARD MEMBER'S READY, WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS ANNUAL REPORT THAT CAN BE PRESENTED TO THE CITY MANAGER OF THE CITY OF DALLAS US.
WE ALSO ADDED THE LIST OF, UM, ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES, UM, THAT, UM, VICE CHAIR SMITH ALSO REQUESTED THAT WE DO AS FAR AS THE BOARD, I MEAN THE, THE STAFF, THE OFFICE RESPONSIBILITIES.
LET ME COMMENT THAT, UM, THIS ANNUAL REPORT IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT WE ARE USED TO SEEING ON THIS BOARD.
UH, I'VE ONLY BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR A FEW YEARS, AND YOU ARE HEAD AND SHOULDERS, UH, ABOVE WHAT HAD BEEN PRESENTED PREVIOUSLY.
I HAD THE, IT WAS MY HONOR TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW IT ALONG WITH MY OTHER, UH, BOARD MEMBERS.
UH, SO THAT BEING SAID, LET ME MAKE THE FORMAL MOTION THAT, UH, THIS, EXCUSE ME, I, I WANNA CORRECT YOU.
WE NEVER RECEIVED ONE BEFORE
I WAS TRYING NOT TO SAY THAT
IT'S THE BEST ONE BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY ONE.
SO, FISCAL YEAR 24, I DEFINITELY SUBMITTED ONE.
NO, I, I WAS ONLY ON THE JOB FOR A FEW MONTHS, BUT I DEFINITELY COMPLET I DELETED IT.
I THOUGHT WE'VE SEEN ONE SIMILAR.
THERE WAS NONE FROM 2019 TO 2023 IS PROBABLY WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, RIGHT? WELL, I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD SINCE 2023.
SO THE FIRST TIME I DIDN'T SEE ONE, AND THEN I SAW YOUR PREVIOUS ONE.
BUT THIS IS, THIS IS HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE ANYTHING I'VE SEEN.
AND SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID, LET ME OFFICIALLY MOVE THAT, UH, THIS REPORT BE ACCEPTED.
IS THAT THE, UH, PROPER FOR PHRASEOLOGY APPROVED, UH, APPROVED BY SECOND, THIS BOARD.
THERE'S BEEN A MOTION MADE BY JUDGE LANDER TO APPROVE THIS ANNUAL REPORT.
IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH.
UH, BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO A VOTE, ANY DISCUSSION? UH, SEEING THERE IS NONE ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF THE ANNUAL REPORT, SAY AYE.
LOOKING FORWARD, I'M PROUD FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO READ THIS REPORT.
FOR, UH, BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS.
UM, SO WILL YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS TO THE CITY COUNCIL? SO THE, THE USUAL PROCESS IS THAT THIS WOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY, UM, SECRETARY, UM, IT WOULD BE PUBLISHED ONLINE, AND THEN THAT LINK WOULD BE SHARED WITH THE CITY MANAGER WHO WOULD FORWARD THAT TO, UM, THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, THAT'S ALL REPORTS, UM, WOULD BE SHARED WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT IT'S NOT A FORMAL PRESENTATION.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE A FORMAL PRESENTATION? YEAH, I, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS, BUT IT'S SOMETHING I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO.
I ASK THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BEING SOMEBODY WHO'S WATCHED THIS BOARD TRANSFORM, GROW TO THE POINT THAT IT IS THE OFFICE AND THE BOARD, UH, TO THE POINT THAT IT IS TODAY.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SEVERAL CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS BOARD DOES, RIGHT? MM-HMM
UM, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS BOARD DOES.
THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT ITS IMPACT.
THEY DON'T KNOW, UH, ABOUT, UH, SOME OF THE, ITS RELEVANCE TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR CITY RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK INTO GETTING, UM, YOU IN FRONT OF THE, THE CITY COUNCIL TO DO SOME TYPE OF BRIEFING OR REPORT ON WHAT THE BOARD IS DOING, BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN TOO MANY TIMES I'VE TALKED TO COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS BOARD DOES AT ALL.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO JUST GETTING A REPORT TO THEM MAY NOT BE THE BEST WAY TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THEY'RE GONNA READ IT.
SO J JUST TO, UM, ADD FOR THE RECORD, UM, FOR THE GOVERNMENT PERFORMANCE COMMITTEE, UM, I DID PRESENT ON THE WORK OF THE OFFICE, THE PERFORMANCE METRICS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
UM, THAT WAS DONE, I BELIEVE, LAST FALL, AND BOARD MEMBER, UM, JENNY KING CAME OUT
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TO SUPPORT US, UM, ON THAT.UM, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY DURING BUDGET TIME TO ALSO REFLECT ON SOME OF THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND SOME OF THE WORK THAT THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS ARE DOING.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PROCESS IS GONNA BE, UM, DONE THE SAME WAY.
I KNOW THAT FOR THE COMMITTEE, UM, AGENDAS, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONTROL.
WE CAN REQUEST, BUT IS UP TO THE CHAIR OF THOSE COMMITTEES TO DECIDE WHAT THEY PUT ON THAT AGENDA.
BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PUT FORTH AND PUT A REQUEST FOR.
AND WE CAN, WE CAN TALK, I CAN TALK TO MY COUNCIL PERSON ABOUT, ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
I, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD, UM, FOR A LEARNING FOR THE COUNCIL.
MR. HIGGINS, I'M PROUD OF THIS BOARD.
UH, THIS IS A GREAT, WE'RE HEALTHY.
WE GOT A LOT OF GOOD SYSTEMS IN PLACE.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE WORK THAT WE DO IS MEANINGFUL.
WE NEED, UM, THIS IS A GREAT TIME TO, TO SHARE MORE, UH, WITH THOSE THAT NEED TO KNOW.
AND, AND SO LET'S FIND A WAY, AND I KNOW EACH OF US HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR COUNCIL MEMBER.
MAYBE THAT COULD BE A DISCUSSION THAT WE ALL BRING UP AND, AND WAYS TO GET, UH, DIRECTOR ANDRE, UH, AN AUDIENCE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, AND ANY OF US BOARD MEMBERS TOO, UH, TO SHARE.
YES, MS. KING, YOU HAD A COMMENT.
I WOULD AGREE, UM, WITH WHAT YOU BOTH SAID, UH, ALSO TO THE VISIT FROM CHIEF CUOMO TODAY, IT WOULD JUST LEND FURTHER CREDENCE TO WHY YOU FELT THE NEED TO WRITE A MEMO AND TO ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WE ALL MADE TODAY.
AND EVEN IF WE DIDN'T MAKE A COMMENT, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE ALL PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION.
AND, UH, MY COUNCILWOMAN DOES QUITE KNOW WHAT THIS GROUP DOES AND REALLY VALUES IT.
AND I THINK THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE WOULD BE GRATIFIED TO SEE ABOUT, LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS EXCELLENT WORK FROM YOU.
AND, UM, ALSO KNOW THAT WE HAVE, WE RECEIVE REGULARLY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THEY KNOW THAT, UM, BECAUSE THAT IS HARD TO KEEP TRACK OF ALL THE, ALL THE NITTY GRITTY MM-HMM
UM, THE SECOND THING I HAVE TO SAY IS THERE WERE TWO ERRORS I FOUND THAT, I KNOW WE JUST VOTED ON IT AND I GAVE THEM TO WAL DEER.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU OFFICIALLY WANT THEM, OR IF I YES, PLEASE.
DO I NEED TO SAY IT FOR THE RECORD? YES.
IT NEEDS TO BE, UM, APPROVED WITH THE, WITH THOSE CHANGES AMENDMENTS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO MODIFY THIS ANNUAL REPORT AND LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE CHANGES ARE.
CAN YOU NOTE WHERE THE CHANGES FOR THE RECORD? YEAH.
WHAT WERE THE CHANGES? JUST FOR THE RECORD, OR IT'S A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH CORRECTIONS AND, UM, FIGURE FOUR SHOULD SAY OFFICER GENDER, NOT OFFICER RACE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT PAGE THAT'S ON.
DO YOU HAVE TO READ? OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT HERE.
THE PREVIOUS ONE WAS OFFICER RACE RACE, AND THIS IS OFFICER GENDER.
AND THEN BACK ON THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, THE WORD HOTLINE IS NOT HYPHENATED.
SO, WITHOUT ANY OBJECTIONS, WE'LL JUST ADD THAT TO JUDGE LAND'S MOTION.
UH, I THINK I INTEND JUDGE MO WHEN HE MADE THAT MOTION.
IT WAS OF COURSE, NO, NO OBJECTION.
WITH THE, UH, UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S NO, NO TYPOS.
SO YEAH, IT WAS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE MAY BE SOME, SOME MINOR CORRECTIONS.
SO THAT'S, UH, SO YEAH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, NO NEED TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION THAT'S UNDERSTOOD.
THEN UNDER EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, YOU MENTIONED, UM, UNDER COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, THE WORD HOTLINE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S HYPHENATED.
WE'LL NOW MOVE TO, UH, AGENDA ITEM B.
WE, WE TALKED ABOUT IT ALREADY, THE UPDATE, UH, ON THE REQUEST FOR REPORTING DPD INTERACTIONS.
AND, UH, WE'LL JUST KEEP THIS DISCUSSION GOING.
I APPRECIATE EVERY, EVERYONE'S COMMENTS ON, UH, THE RESPONSE TO THE MEMO.
AND, UH, LET'S JUST ABOARD, UH, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT TOPIC FOR THE CITY, FOR THE CITIZENS.
AND, UH, I THINK IT'D BE GREAT TO, AS A BOARD TO CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION.
BUT WE'LL NOW MOVE TO, UH, AGENDA ITEM C CHAIRMAN'S REPORT.
UM, NOTHING RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS UPDATE ON BOARD AND STAFF ACTIVITIES THAT, UH, I'D LIKE TO SHARE.
BUT I DO WANT TO TAKE THIS TIME TO WELCOME A NEW CPOB MEMBER, JESUS MARQUE, UH, DISTRICT NINE.
UH, IF YOU COULD, UH, JUST SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOURSELF, BRIEF INTRODUCTION, UH, FOR US, GET TO KNOW YOU, AND, UM, WE'RE JUST HAPPY, UH, YOU'RE A PART OF OUR BOARD.
THANK YOU FOR THE WARM WELCOME.
UH, LIKE HE SAID, MY NAME IS JESUS MARQUEZ, AND I DO, I PRIMARILY PRACTICE CRIMINAL DEFENSE.
AND WHICH DISTRICT DO YOU REPRESENT? UH, DISTRICT NINE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR, UH, BOARD MEMBER NINE, DISTRICT NINE, BEFORE WE MOVE ON? ANY, UH, WE USUALLY MAKE NEW MEMBERS, UM, YOU KNOW, STAND BEFORE EVERYBODY AND SING A SONG IN THE NATIONAL ANTHEM, RIGHT? NO, JUST JOKING.
I, BOB DYLAN IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE SINGERS.
YOU DON'T WANT HEAR ME SING? ALRIGHT, MAN, I'M JUST JOKING.
WELL, WE'RE HAPPY YOU'RE HERE.
THANK YOU FOR BEING A PART OF.
THIS IS A GOOD, THIS IS A GREAT BOARD AND, UH, EVERY MEMBER'S VALUABLE
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AND I KNOW YOU'LL ADD TO THAT VALUE, SO THANK YOU.AND IT'S GREAT TO HAVE ANOTHER LAWYER ON BOARD.
HOW MANY, HOW MANY ATTORNEYS DO WE HAVE ON, ON THE BOARD? WE GOT ABOUT FIVE.
WANNA GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM D, UPCOMING CPOB MEETINGS.
USUALLY THIS IS AT THE VERY END, BUT WE, WE DECIDED TO MOVE IT TO THE FRONT, UH, UP CLOSER TO THE TOP, JUST TO EVERYBODY.
NEXT MEETING IS FEBRUARY 10TH.
UM, AND, UM, IT'LL BE IN THIS VERY ROOM, UM, 5:30 PM AND THEN MARCH 10TH, APRIL 14TH.
WE'RE GONNA GONNA MOVE TO, UH, I EIGHT, AGENDA ITEM EIGHT, WHICH IS OCPO STAFF REPORT.
I'D LIKE TO GIVE THE FLOOR TO DIRECTOR OF THE OCPO, MICHELLE ANDRE, FOR HER DIRECTOR REPORT.
SO, GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS REPORT.
I'M HONORED TO SHARE THE, I HAVE JOINED THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT NACO, UM, ANNUAL CONFERENCE COMMITTEE FOR 2026, REPRESENTING OUR DEPARTMENT AND PLANNING FOR THE UPCOMING CONFERENCE.
THE NACO ANNUAL CONFERENCE WILL BE HELD IN LOUISVILLE, KENTUCKY THIS YEAR, UM, THE HOME OF MUHAMMAD ALI AND BOURBON.
IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, A COUPLE BOARD MEMBERS WILL BE JOINING, A FEW STAFF MEMBERS WALKING IN MLK JUNIOR, UM, PARADE ON MONDAY THIS YEAR.
WE ARE PREPARED WITH BANNERS, INFORMATIONAL FLYERS, SWAG ITEMS, AND BRANDON CLO FOR THE STAFF THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE LAST YEAR.
UM, THE SAFE, UM, IN TERMS OF LIKE, IT'S, IT GOES, IT'S SOUTH OF WAS SOUND ADVICE FOR EFFECTIVE ENCOUNTERS PROGRAM PANEL IN DISTRICT SIX ON JANUARY 30TH AT 10:00 AM AT THE INVITATION OF BOARD MEMBER DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, UM, SENIOR OUTREACH SPECIALIST, AMMA PEREZ WILL PROVIDE FURTHER DETAILS.
OVERVIEW OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES FROM DECEMBER KNIFE MEET INTO THE PRESENT, WHICH WILL BE DISCUSSED LATER IN THE AGENDA, UM, IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY CODE CHAPTER EIGHT, SECTION EIGHT DASH 1.1 OCB OF STAFF DRAFTED THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT ANNUAL REPORT, WHICH WAS APPROVED EARLIER IN THE AGENDA.
THIS WILL BE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY MANAGER TO SUBMIT TO THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL THIS YEAR.
THE REPORTS INCLUDES COMMUNITY OUTREACH, HEAT MAP, DEVELOPED BY THE OFFICE OF DATA ANALYTICS AND BUSINESS INTELLIGENCE, AND A RELATED, UM, IN INITIATIVE.
UM, POLICY ANALYST SIERRA APSU AND I ARE COLLABORATING WITH 9 1 1 EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION CENTER ON RESIDENT FACING FLYER AND A SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN.
THESE WILL HELP, UM, CALL US UNDERSTAND WHAT INFORMATION IS MOST USEFUL DURING EMERGENCY AND WHEN TO USE ONLINE REPORTS, ALLOWING 9 1 1 TO DISPATCH, UM, THE BEST RESOURCES.
ADDITIONALLY, ON JANUARY 8TH, STAFF AND I ATTENDED A VIRTUAL REALITY, UM, BASED SCENARIO TRAINING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH SMU AT DPD ACADEMY.
UM, SEVERAL STAFF MEMBERS, INCLUDING MYSELF, HAVE PREVIOUS COMPLETED THIS TRAINING.
LOOKING AHEAD, STAFF AND I, UM, ARE STARTING TO MEET TO PLAN FOR THE OCPO RETREAT, WORKING WITH THE BOARD TRAINING COMMITTEE TO ORGANIZE IT.
AT THE SAME TIME, THE STAFF AND I ARE WORKING ON A BOARD MEMBER ORIENTATION, UM, MANUAL FOR GUIDANCE FOR NEW MEMBERS, AND ARE CONTINUING TO DISCUSS WITH INTERNAL AFFAIRS REGARDING ADDITIONAL TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE BOARD.
ALONGSIDE THESE ACTIVITIES, THE OFFICE CONTINUED, CONTINUE TO COLLABORATE WITH THE DBD INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION TO DEVELOP, TO DEVELOP MEDIATION PROGRAM PROCEDURES, UM, TO SUPPORT BOARD OPERATION, THE OFFICE'S RESEARCH AND APPOINTMENT MEMBERS TO THE TECHNICAL RESOURCE PANEL, WHICH WILL HELP THE BOARD TO ANSWER LAW ENFORCEMENT RELATED QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT FOR THE EVENING.
I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION AND LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUE COLLABORATING TO ADVANCE COMMUNITY OVERSIGHT.
ANDRE, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD ADDRESSED TO THE DIRECTOR OF OCPO? YEAH, WHAT, WHAT IS THAT YOU'RE DOING IN DISTRICT SIX? ONE MORE QUESTION.
WE ASK THAT AGAIN WITH THE MICROPHONE.
JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO.
UH, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT DISTRICT SIX.
UM, A PANEL THAT WAS INVITED BY, UM, DR.
LAUREN COOPERSMITH IS, WHAT IS THAT CALLED? WHAT IS CALL SOUND VICE FOR EFFECTIVE ENCOUNTERS PROGRAM PANEL NOW, WHAT'S THE ACRONYM? SAFE.
YEAH, IT'S ON THE AGENDA UNDER COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, I THINK UNDER THE LIST OF EVENTS.
WHAT'S THE STATE? UM, JANUARY 30TH AT 11, EXCUSE
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ME, BOARD MEMBER MAPLES.YOU DID RECEIVE AN INVITATION.
I JUST, I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT YET.
ANY, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ADDRESSED TO DIRECTOR ANDRE? THANK YOU, DIRECTOR.
UH, BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS FLOOR IS YOURS.
SO WITH THE TECHNICAL RESOURCE COMMITTEE, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? I WAS TRYING TO READ IT ON MY, UH, IN MY PACKET, BUT I SEEM TO HAVE LOST IT HERE ON MY, NO, THAT IS NOT ON A PANEL.
UM, THAT IS, I'M JUST REPORTING OUT SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES AT THE OFFICE.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M RESEARCHING.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS IN ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVEN'T FILLED SINCE 2019, SINCE THE OFFICE HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED.
BUT THERE WAS A RESEARCH PANEL, UM, PREVIOUSLY.
UM, I'M DOING SOME RESEARCH ON, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT HOW SOME OTHER CITIES HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, IMPLEMENTED AND PUT IN DIFFERENT, I KNOW THAT THE POLICY COMMITTEE IS ALSO LOOKING TO SEE TO MAKE SOME AMENDMENTS, UM, FOR THAT RES RE TECHNICAL RESOURCE PANEL AS WELL.
BUT IT'S JUST AT A RESEARCH PHASE AT THIS POINT.
UM, I BELIEVE IN ACCORDANCE TO THE ORDINANCE.
THE CITY MANAGER MAKES THOSE APPOINTMENTS TO THE PANEL.
THAT'S WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS.
BUT I'M JUST DOING SOME RESEARCH AT THIS POINT.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? COMMENTS? OKAY.
WE'LL NOW MOVE TO ITEM B OF AGENDA ITEM EIGHT, WHICH IS SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR REPORT.
I'D LIKE TO WELCOME SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR, GREG HUFF, UH, TO, UH, WE THE FLOOR.
I, I'M THE, UH, THE, THE GENTLEMAN THAT SUBMITTED THE REPORT, MS. POWELL IS IN QUESTIONING, I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE, DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT WHEN YOU WEREN'T HERE, BUT WE'LL HAVE A SPOT AT THE VERY END OF OUR MEETING, UH, FOR YOU TO SPEAK, UH, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
YEAH, BUT HOLD ON, SPEAK DURING THE INITIAL, UM, MICROPHONE.
HE SHOULD, HE HAS HIS SPEAK BEFORE THE DISCUSSION.
SO, UH, WHICH SHOULD, WHICH INVESTIGATION IS HE? HE FOR WHAT, WHAT NUMBER, WHICH INVESTIGATION? YEAH, MR. HUFF, WHICH, UH, WHICH INVESTIGATION? UH, ASK HIM HIS NAME.
YEAH, WE'LL HAVE YOU SPEAK BEFORE THEN.
UH, BUT WE HAVE A COUPLE ITEMS, UH, BEFORE THAT.
SO WE'RE GONNA DO THE CRITICAL INCIDENT FIRST AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO, SOUNDS GOOD.
UH, I'D LIKE TO GET TO CRITICAL INCIDENT NOTIFICATION.
UH, SO INVESTIGATOR HUFF, IF YOU COULD, UH, GIVE US A REPORT ON, UM, THE CRITICAL INCIDENT OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING DECEMBER 20TH, 2025.
UH, TO ENSURE TRANSPARENCY, THE OCPO REPORTS TO THE BOARD AT EVERY MEETING FOLLOWING A CRITICAL INCIDENT, UH, THE FLOOR IS YOURS, INVESTIGATOR.
ON DECEMBER 20TH, 2025, AT APPROXIMATELY 10:15 AM POLICE RESPONDED TO A SHOOTING IN THE 9,000 BLOCK OF MARKVILLE DRIVE.
OFFICERS FOUND A FEMALE VICTIM WHO LATER DIED AT THE HOSPITAL AT APPROXIMATELY 11:45 AM JUST AN HOUR AND A HALF LATER, OFFICERS LOCATED THE SUSPECT IN A VEHICLE NEAR THE TOWN EAST MALL IN THE CITY OF MESQUITE.
DURING A FELONY TRAFFIC STOP, SHOTS WERE FIRED, RESULTING IN THE SUSPECT'S DEATH.
THE SUSPECT WAS IDENTIFIED AS GERALD FRANK MARTIN, A 3-YEAR-OLD, NO OFFICERS WERE INJURED.
THE MESQUITE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL BE INVESTIGATING THIS OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? THANK YOU.
I GUESS THE CHAIR, UH, LEFT ME IN CHARGE.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS A VIDEO INVOLVED.
UM,
YES, MR. MAPLES? UH, I HAVE A QUESTION.
IS GOING TO BE DOING THE INVESTIGATING.
SO THERE WAS A CHASE, RIGHT? I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON A CHASE.
I JUST HAVE INFORMATION THAT THEY FOUND THE SUSPECT IN A VEHICLE AND CONDUCTED A FELONY CAR STOP.
SO THEY STOPPED HIM, AND WHEN THEY STOPPED HIM, THERE WAS A GUNSHOTS FIRED? YES.
AND IT HAPPENED RIGHT OUTSIDE OF TOWN, EAST MALL? YES.
AND SO THAT'S IN THE JURISDICTION OF THE MESQUITE POLICE DEPARTMENT? CORRECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS RELATED TO THIS CRITICAL
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INCIDENTS INCIDENT FOR INVESTIGATOR HUFF? OKAY.SEEING THERE'S NONE, WE'LL NOW MOVE, UH, TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS CONSIDERATION OF INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
UM, SO WE'LL HAVE THREE DIFFERENT CASES WE'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO TODAY.
THESE ARE INVESTIGATIONS THAT WE, AS A BOARD VOTED ON PRIOR FOR INVESTIGATOR HUFF TO CONDUCT A MORE THOROUGH INVESTIGATION.
SO WE WILL LISTEN TO EACH ONE, UH, OF HIS REPORT.
AND THERE'S ALSO, UH, IN YOUR PACKET, A MEMO THAT HAS ALL OF WHAT HE SAYS IN YOUR PACKET.
AND AS A BOARD WILL LISTEN TO INVESTIGATOR HUFF.
THERE'LL BE A TIME FOR SOME QUESTIONS, AND WE WILL, AS A BOARD VOTE ON WHETHER TO ACCEPT HIS FINDINGS OR NOT.
UM, AND, UH, IF, UH, WE ACCEPT THE FINDINGS AND WHAT WE SENT, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS, UH, THIS WILL BE SENT TO THE POLICE CHIEF, UH, FOR REVIEW.
IF THERE'S, UM, ANY ITEM WITHIN THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WOULD, WOULD REQUIRE US TO SEND ANYTHING TO THE POLICE CHIEF, WE'LL DO THAT.
UH, WE'LL GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THOSE, UM, AND TALK ABOUT IT, VOTE ABOUT IT AS A BOARD, UH, WHETHER WE AGREE AND, UM, WITH THE FINDINGS OF THE OCPO BOARD.
SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE NOW TO, UH, CASE, UH, NUMBER DR 2025 DASH OH 84, MICHAEL POLSKY.
UH, WE, I'D LIKE TO INVITE YOU DOWN, MR. POLSKY, IF YOU COULD.
UH, THERE'S A, A CHAIR MICROPHONE.
IF YOU COULD JUST CHOOSE A MICROPHONE, UH, DOWN HERE, UH, AND MAKE SURE THE LIGHT IS ON.
UM, FOR THE MICROPHONE, UH, WE'RE GOING TO, UH, PUT A TIMER ON THE SCREEN, UH, THAT IS THREE MINUTES.
AND, UM, WE ASK, UH, THAT YOU RESPECT THE, THE TIME LIMIT FOR THE THREE MINUTES.
AND, UM, WHENEVER YOU BEGIN, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
I'VE BEEN IN THIS BUILDING OVER 50 TIMES TO ATTEND CLASSES DOWNSTAIRS BY COMPLETING MY MASTER'S IN, UH, MAY.
UH, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A GREAT TIME FOR ME TO MOVE ON.
I HAVE A PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION, PUBLIC AFFAIRS GOALS, JUST LIKE MANY OF YOU HAVE.
I ALSO WAS TO MOVE ON FROM A FAMILY CUSTODY CASE AT THIS TIME FOLLOWING THE COMPLETION OF THE APPELLATE COURT'S REVIEW OF DA DF DASH 15 DASH 0 3 4 8 REGARDING IN THE INTEREST OF IPP CHILD, ISABELLA POLSKY HERE WAS IN PSYCHIATRIC CARE AND HAS A CURRENT DIAGNOSIS OF MAJOR DEPRESSIVE DISORDER, RECURRENT WITH SEVERE PSYCHOTIC SYMPTOMS, F 41 DASH TWO AND GENERAL ANXIETY DISORDER.
THANK YOU TO THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
I WANT TO BEGIN BY SAYING THE CITY MATTERS TO ME.
I'VE SPENT TWO SEMESTERS STUDYING THIS BUILDING.
I HAVE BEEN HERE DOZENS OF TIMES OVER THE YEAR.
AND NOW I SEEK TO UNDERSTAND THE GREAT PASSION THAT MY PROFESSORS HAD FOR THIS PLACE BEFORE YOU ALL THIS EVENING.
I HAVE ALWAYS BELIEVED IN DALLAS AS A CITY OF LAW.
I'M HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE I WANT TO STILL BELIEVE IN THAT.
WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS SIMPLE.
THE COURT ORDERS WERE TO BE RESPECTED AND FOLLOWED, AND I WAS TO BE ALLOWED TO ACCESS THEM NOT ONLY THE COURT ORDERS, BUT THE CHILD SAFETY PLAN AS WELL.
IN JULY OF 23, DALLAS COUNTY JURY RETURNED A VERDICT IN MY FAMILY LAW CASE.
THE VERDICT WAS AFFIRMED BY THE COURT OF APPEALS MAY 25.
IT INCLUDED CLEAR PROTECTIONS FOR MY CHILD, CLEAR FINDINGS ABOUT THE MOTHER'S CONDUCT, CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS FOR SAFETY, MENTAL HEALTH CARE AND ENFORCEMENT.
THEY WERE ALSO VERY EXPLICIT BECAUSE THE MOTHER HAD BROUGHT KNOWINGLY FALSE ALLEGATIONS.
IF I HAVE A MOMENT, I WILL HOPEFULLY QUOTE FROM THE COURT ORDER SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND JUST THE COMPLEX ISSUES OF IT ALL.
UM, THEY REFUSED TO ALLOW ME INTO MY APARTMENT ON JULY 25TH.
I ASKED THE DALLAS POLICE TO FOLLOW THOSE ORDERS AND, AND AN ACTIVE SAFETY PLAN BY BASE POINT ACADEMY, FOR WHICH MY CHILD WAS BEING TAKEN DOOR TO DOOR EVERY MORNING.
I ASKED FOR MY CHILD TO BE TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL FOR PSYCHIATRIC EVALUATION, THE SAFEST PLACE FOR HER WHERE THE PROTECTION WAS NEEDED FROM ME OR ANYWHERE ELSE.
I TOLD THE COURT ORDERS THAT THE SAFETY PLAN WAS INSIDE MY APARTMENT.
I ASKED THEM TO ALLOW ME TO RECEIVE THEM SO THEY COULD REVIEW THEM.
INSTEAD, OFFICERS ALLOWED MY CHILD TO BE TAKEN BY AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY, A NEIGHBOR WITH NO LEGAL AUTHORITY THAT I ADVISED MAY HAVE BEEN HAVING ALCOHOL WITH MY CHILD AND HAD HER OVER AT HER APARTMENT MULTIPLE TIMES WITHOUT MY PERMISSION, THAT SINGLE DECISION DISMANTLED EVERY PROTECTION THE COURTS HAD PUT IN PLACE.
MY CHILD WAS LATER TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL BY HER MOTHER, WHO ELOPED WITH HER TO PREVENT PSYCHIATRIC CARE.
SHE WAS TO BE TRANSFERRED TO CHILDREN'S PENDING A POSSIBLE PSYCHOSIS.
AND, UH, OTHER ISSUES NOTED BY THE NURSE AND THE DOCTOR IN THE UT SOUTHWESTERN REPORT OF THAT DAY, UH, A PATTERN ALREADY RECOGNIZED BY THE COURT OF FALSE ALLEGATIONS OF ABUSE.
AGAIN, THE, THE, THE MEDICAL REPORT THAT DAY CORROBORATED NONE OF THAT, BUT SEEMED TO CORROBORATE THE CONTINUED ELOPEMENT AND PATTERNS OF THE MOTHER TO MISLEAD, UH, AUTHORITIES AND MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS FOR HER OWN
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GAIN.SINCE THEN, MY COURT ORDER HAS, UH, RE FAIRLY COLLAPSED CHILD SUPPORTERS SOMEHOW.
NOT TOO MUCH TIME FOR ALL THAT, BUT I DO APPRECIATE, UH, BEING ABLE TO BE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
I LOOK FORWARD TO INVESTIGATOR HUFF'S FINDINGS.
APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENCE HERE.
WE'LL NOW HEAR FROM INVESTIGATOR HUFF.
AND I KNOW, UM, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS CASE, UH, DID, DID YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, HEARING YOUR FINDINGS.
AND SO AGAIN, UH, HE'LL SPEAK.
INVESTIGATOR HUFF WILL OF COURSE, UH, SPEAK ABOUT HIS FINDINGS, BUT YOU CAN ALSO FIND IT WRITTEN IN YOUR BOARD PACKET.
ON AUGUST 1ST, 2025, MICHAEL POLSKY SUBMITTED A COMPLAINT TO THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH THE FOLLOWING ALLEGATIONS.
OFFICERS PLACED POLSKY'S CHILD IN THE CARE OF A STRANGER.
OFFICERS REFUSED POLSKY'S REQUEST TO HAVE HIS CHILD SENT TO THE CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL FOR A PSYCHOTIC EPISODE.
OFFICERS REFUSED TO TELL POLSKY WHERE HIS CHILD WAS TAKEN TO, AND OFFICERS DID NOT RECOGNIZE POLSKY AS THE CONSERVATOR OF HIS CHILD.
SO, TO GIVE YOU A BACKGROUND OF THE INCIDENT THAT DAY, UM, HERE'S A LITTLE SUMMARY ON IT.
UH, MICHAEL POLSKY WAS INVOLVED IN A PHYSICAL ALTERCATION WITH HIS 13-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER THAT DAY.
UM, OFFICERS MET POLSKY IN FRONT OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEX AND TOOK HIS STATEMENT.
OFFICERS CONTACTED A 13-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER.
SHE WAS INSIDE THE APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH A NEIGHBOR'S APARTMENT.
SHE WAS NOT IN HER OWN APARTMENT, SHE WAS IN A NEIGHBOR'S APARTMENT.
UM, THE SERGEANT THERE DECIDED THAT POLSKY WOULD BE ARRESTED FOR FAMILY VIOLENCE.
UM, BUT OFFICERS FIRST WANTED TO REACH OUT TO A DETECTIVE, A CHILD ABUSE DETECTIVE, TO MAKE SURE IT WASN'T A CHILD DISCIPLINE ISSUE AS OPPOSED TO A FAMILY VIOLENCE ISSUE.
UM, IN THE MEANTIME, THEY MADE ARRANGEMENTS FOR THE NEIGHBOR TO TAKE THE 13-YEAR-OLD, UM, TO HER MOTHERS.
THE CHILD ABUSE DETECTIVE GOT BACK TO THE OFFICERS AT THE SCENE AND ADVISED IN HIS OPINION THAT THIS WAS A DISCIPLINE ISSUE AND NOT A FAMILY VIOLENCE ISSUE.
UM, MR. POLSKY WAS RELEASED AND TOLD THAT HIS 13-YEAR-OLD HAD GONE, UM, BEEN RELEASED TO HER MOTHER'S.
UH, MR. POLSKY SAID THAT THE CHILD NEEDS TO BE IN THE HOSPITAL, AND THE MOTHER IS ONLY ALLOWED SUPERVISED VISITATION.
THE OFFICERS AT THE SCENE TOLD MR. POLSKY, UM, TO GIVE THE COURT ORDER TO THE DETECTIVE ASSIGNED TO THIS CASE, AND THEY WOULD HANDLE IT, AND THE DETECTIVE WOULD HANDLE IT FROM THERE.
AND THEN THAT WAS THE END OF THE, UH, UM, INTERACTION AT THE SCENE THAT DAY.
SO, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE ALLEGATIONS FOR THE FINDINGS, THE FIRST ONE OF OFFICERS PLACED POLSKY'S CHILD IN CARE OF A STRANGER.
UM, I NOTED THAT THE OFFICERS LOCATED THE CHILD IN THE NEIGHBOR'S APARTMENT.
OFFICERS REACHED OUT TO THE CHILD'S MOTHER WHO GAVE PERMISSION TO HAVE THAT NEIGHBOR TAKE THE CHILD TO HER.
SO BASED ON THAT INFORMATION, I FOUND THAT ALLEGATION AS EXONERATED, MEANING THE INVESTIGATION REEL REVEALED THAT THE FACTS DID OCCUR, BUT THEY WERE JUSTIFIED, LAWFUL, AND PROPER TO ALLEGATION NUMBER TWO, OFFICERS REFUSED TO HAVE THE CHILD SENT TO A HOSPITAL FOR A PSYCHOTIC EPISODE.
THE BODY-WORN CAMERAS SHOWED POLSKY TELLING THE POLICE THAT HIS DAUGHTER HAD MADE SUICIDAL STATEMENTS IN THE PAST, BUT HAD NOT MADE ANY SUICIDAL STATEMENTS THAT DAY.
UM, IT EVEN SHOWS POLSKY TELLING OFFICERS THAT HIS DAUGHTER WAS NOT SUICIDAL, AND NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WAS RECEIVED THAT DAY THAT WOULD INDICATE FOR THE OFFICERS TO PUT A MANDATORY HOLD ON THE CHILD.
SO BASED ON THAT INFORMATION, THE FINDING FOR THIS ALLEGATION WOULD BE UNFOUNDED.
UH, ALLEGATION NUMBER THREE, OFFICERS REFUSED TO TELL POLSKY WHERE HIS CHILD WAS TAKEN TO.
UM, OFFICERS DID INFORM POLSKY THAT HIS CHILD HAD BEEN RELEASED TO THE MOTHER.
SO BASED ON THAT, THE FINDING FOR THIS ALLEGATION WAS UNFOUNDED.
AND THE FOURTH ALLEGATION OF OFFICERS DID NOT RECOGNIZE POLSKY AS THE CONSERVATOR OF HIS CHILD.
WHEN POLSKY TOLD OFFICERS THAT HE HAD A COURT ORDER AND OFFERED TO GET IT, UM, THE CHILD HAD ALREADY BEEN RELEASED TO THE MOTHER.
OFFICERS TOLD POLSKY TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE DETECTIVE ASSIGNED TO THE CASE AND SHOW THE COURT DOCUMENTS TO THAT DETECTIVE.
A REVIEW OF THE COURT ORDER REVEALED THAT THE WORDING STATES ANY OFFICER IN THE STATE OF TEXAS MAY USE REASONABLE EFFORTS TO ENFORCE THIS CHILD CUSTODY ORDER.
SO IT DOES NOT SAY SHALL IT SAYS MAY.
SO BASED ON THAT INFORMATION I MADE THE FINDING FOR THIS ALLEGATION
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UNFOUNDED AND I LUMPED ALL THOSE ALLEGATIONS WOULD FALL UNDER THE CODE OF CONDUCT SECTION 5.3, THE FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE SECTION.SO BASED ON ALL THE INFORMATION, I WOULD FIND THAT AS UNFOUNDED.
AND THAT IS ALL THE INFORMATION I HAVE ON THAT.
THANK YOU INVESTIGATOR FOR THIS REPORT.
UH, WE'RE GONNA OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS OF CLARIFICATION.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, DETAILS, CLARIFICATION THAT AN INVESTIGATOR MAY ANSWER, UH, THIS IS A TIME TO ASK INVESTIGATOR.
UH, AND THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, TO ACCEPT THE FINDINGS.
UH, ONCE THAT MOTION IS SECONDED, THERE'LL BE A SECOND TIME OF DISCUSSION IF WE WANNA DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS CASE.
UM, BUT, UH, AT THIS POINT, UH, QUESTIONS OF CLARIFICATION ADDRESSED TO INVESTIGATOR HUFF.
ANY, UH, BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANYTHING AT THIS TIME? I, UH, JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO AS A, UM, AS A GIRL DAD OF THREE DAUGHTERS.
I, I CAN UNDERSTAND AND I CAN SEE
BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE RAISING TEENAGERS, THINGS CAN GET ALL OVER THE PLACE.
AND THANK GOD I'M NOT RAISING A TEENAGER TODAY.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT THIS IS BEST SERVED IN FAMILY COURT.
I, I, THAT'S JUST MY POINT OF VIEW, THAT BEING IN THIS SITUATION BEFORE AS A SINGLE FATHER WITH TEENAGE GIRLS, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE AVENUE OF FAMILY COURT AND KEEP DPD OUTTA YOUR LIFE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THERE'S A FINE LINE OR A THIN LINE BETWEEN DISCIPLINE AND ABUSE.
ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS OF CLARIFICATION REGARDING TO THIS CASE ADDRESSED TO INVESTIGATOR HUFF INVESTIGATOR WHO MADE THE 9 1 1 CALL? UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS, IT WAS ANOTHER NEIGHBOR THAT CALLED.
UM, AND WERE THERE MORE THAN ONE NUMBER ONE, ONE CALLS? I BELIEVE SO, YES.
SO, UH, WHO MADE THE OTHER 9 1 1 CALL? I'M SORRY.
UH, IF THERE WAS MORE THAN ONE YOU SAID A NEIGHBOR DID, WAS THE NEIGHBOR THAT MADE BOTH OF THEM MUL MULTIPLE CALLS? I, I BELIEVE IT WAS DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW, IT WAS A SEPARATE NEIGHBOR THAN THE ONE THAT SHE WENT TO.
THAT HAD MADE THE ORIGINAL 9 1 1 CALL.
AND, UM, I KNOW, UH, WE NOW KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, LOOKING BACK THAT, UM, THE 13-YEAR-OLD WAS SENT TO THE MOTHER.
DID THE OFFICERS HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE AT THE TIME THAT, THAT THERE WAS, THAT THIS WAS THE ARRANGEMENT? DID THEY HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE AT ALL, UM, THAT THE CIRCUMSTANCE WAS THAT THE MOTHER DID NOT HAVE RIGHTS, SHE ONLY HAD VISITATION RIGHTS? RIGHT.
THE OFFICERS DID NOT HAVE, UM, THAT INFORMATION AT THE TIME THAT THEY RELEASED THE CHILD.
AND IN FACT, IT WAS PROBABLY A LITTLE CONFUSING BECAUSE WHEN THE OFFICERS ARRIVED AND SPOKE TO MR. POLSKY, HE MENTIONED THAT IT WAS THE DAY FOR THE MOTHER'S VISITATION.
SO I THINK MENTIONING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE OFFICERS JUST ASSUMED THE MOTHER HAD VISITATION AND THAT THERE WAS ANY COURT ORDER DISPUTE AT THE TIME.
SO NOTHING WAS LOOKED INTO AT THE COURT ORDER AT THAT TIME.
AND, AND YOU HEARD THAT SAID IN THE BODY CAM FOOTAGE BODY, YEAH.
IT'S ON BODY CAM WHERE HE, HE MENTIONS TO THE OFFICERS THAT IT'S MOTHER'S DAY FOR VISITATION.
UM, AS FAR AS FOR CLARIFICATION, UM, HOWDY, UH, INVESTIGATOR HUFF, IS IT? YES.
UH, JESUS MARQUEZ FOR DISTRICT NINE.
I'M LOOKING AT YOUR TRANSCRIPTS.
COULD YOU ADVISE HOW THESE TRANSCRIPTS WERE GENERATED, UH, WITH THE TIMESTAMPS? SO THAT'S FROM A BODY-WORN CAMERA.
BUT HOW WERE THEY GENERATED? WERE THEY PUT THROUGH PROGRAM? ARE THEY AUTOMATED? DID, UH, SOME INTERN HAND WRITE THESE, TYPE THEM OUT? IT'S REVIEW THEM MANUALLY.
YES, IT'S ME MANUALLY DOING IT.
DID YOU HAPPEN TO PULL THE 9 1 1 1 CALLS AS WELL, OR 9 1 1 CALLS AS WELL? NO, I DID NOT PULL THE 9 1 1 CALL.
DID YOU REVIEW THE DASH CAM FOOTAGE IN CAR FOOTAGE? NO.
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OKAY.ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OF CLARIFICATION? IF NOT, UH, UH, WE COULD, IF ANYONE JUST I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
HOW WAS THE CHILD TRANSPORTED TO THE MOTHER? THE NEIGHBOR TOOK THE CHILD TO THE MOTHER.
AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE OFFICERS DID NOT KNOW AT THAT TIME THAT THERE WAS A COURT ORDER? CORRECT.
INVESTIGATOR HUFF, I JUST WANT TO, I GUESS, CLARIFY IN MY MIND KIND OF THE SCENARIO.
SO IT WAS A NINE ONE ONE CALL MADE ABOUT THE FATHER AGAINST THE DAUGHTER, CORRECT? YES.
AND SO, WHEN THE OFFICERS ARRIVED, UM, IN THAT SITUATION, THE DAUGHTER WAS ALREADY AT THE NEIGHBOR'S HOME, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND SO THE OFFICERS AT THAT POINT DETAINED, UM, MR. POLSKY? YES.
AND SO, WITH HIM BEING IN DETAINMENT, POTENTIALLY BEING ARRESTED, THEY MADE THE DECISION TO COORDINATE THE DAUGHTER'S TRANSPORT TO THE MOTHERS? CORRECT.
AND THEN THE INVESTIGATORS FOUND OUT THAT IT WAS NOT GOING TO BE VIOLENCE, MORE JUST A, UH, WHAT DID YOU SAY? DISCIPLINE ISSUE.
AND HE WAS RELEASED, IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT.
THEY FOUND OUT THAT IT WAS GONNA BE A DISCIPLINE ISSUE, NOT A FAMILY VIOLENCE, SO THEY WERE NOT GOING TO ARREST MR. POLSKY.
IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS OF CLARIFICATION, UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM A BOARD MEMBER, UH, TO ACCEPT THE OFFICE FINDINGS, OCPO INVESTIGATORS FINDINGS.
UM, THERE'LL BE A, IF IT'S SECONDED, THERE'LL BE ALSO A TIME FOR DISCUSSION WHERE YOU CAN SHARE SOME OF YOUR THOUGHTS MORE CANDIDLY ABOUT, UH, HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS CASE.
UM, BUT DO I HAVE A MOTION AT THIS TIME? JULIA SIMON, DISTRICT 13.
I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE FINDINGS, JUDGE, LAND DISTRICT EIGHT SECOND.
A MOTION BEEN MADE BY MS. SIMON, SECONDED BY JUDGE LANDER.
LET'S, UH, OPEN UP TO THE, TO THE BOARD, ANY BOARD HAVE ANY COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? UH, JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS, THIS IS A TOUGH SITUATION RAISING A TEENAGER, AND I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT THE FAMILY SEEK, UM, SOME TYPE OF GUIDANCE, SOME KIND OF COUNSELING.
UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S TOUGH FOR A TEENAGER LIVING IN TODAY'S WORLD WITH ALL THE DISTRACTIONS.
AND ON TOP OF THAT SOCIAL MEDIA, EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM HAS BEEN A TEENAGER AND ALL THE FORCES THAT PULL AT YOU.
SO I, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, UH, THE FAMILY SEEKS SOME HELP.
AND, UH, AND GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, UH, 'CAUSE THERE'S VOTING FOR OR AGAINST.
UH, I THINK, I THINK MY POSITION IS THIS WAS NOT HANDLED APPROPRIATELY.
IF I UNDERSTAND THE FACTS, THERE IS A 9 1 1 CALL.
UH, THERE IS UNPLEASANT POLICE INTERACTION.
HE TRIES TO, UH, INFORM THE OFFICERS THAT THEY'RE ABOUT TO PUT THE CHILD IN A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION.
THE MOTHER'S NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE UNSUPERVISED VISITS.
HE SEEMS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HER MENTAL HEALTH.
UH, AND IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY, A A NEIGHBOR TO HIM COULD JUST BE A STRANGER.
SOME RANDOM PERSON, NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT TRANSPORTS THIS CHILD WHO IS HAVING A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS.
UH, THEY ALLOW HER TO GO WITH SOME, WITH HER NEIGHBOR, UH, NOT A PARENT, AND THEN DELIVER HER TO A PARENT WHO IS NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE CUSTODY OF THE CHILD UNSUPERVISED.
THAT TO ME SEEMS LIKE POOR JUDGMENT AT THE VERY LEAST.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, I AGREE WITH, UH, JESUS.
I WAS, I, I'M CONFUSED ABOUT THE TIMING OF ALL THIS.
AND, UM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S, IT SEEMS LIKE, UH, SOMETHING, THERE'S A DISCONNECT BETWEEN WHAT MR. POLSKY WAS SAYING TO THE POLICE AND THEN THE POLICE DECISIONS.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THINGS ARE UNFOUNDED.
YEAH, I'LL SHARE MY MY OPINION ON THIS TOO.
YOU KNOW, UM, MR. MAPLES, I HAVE FOUR
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TEENAGERS RIGHT NOW IN MY HOUSE.SO IT'S, IT'S, UH, I UNDERSTAND, UM, MY HEART GOES OUT TO, TO THIS SITUATION.
I, UM, I CAN SEE HOW IT ESCALATED QUICKLY.
UH, I THINK WE AS A BOARD THOUGH, UM, WHAT WE ARE DETERMINING IS, UH, DID THE OFFICERS ACT UNJUSTLY? UM, AND I, I'M NOT QUITE SURE, UM, IN THIS CASE, UH, WITH THE INFORMATION THEY HAD AT THE TIME, UH, THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE ABOUT VISITING THE MOTHER TODAY, UH, I MEAN, HINDSIGHT OF COURSE WAS 2020.
UH, BUT GIVEN THE FACT THAT THEY RECEIVED A NINE ONE ONE CALL FROM THE NEIGHBOR, THE CHILD WAS THERE IN THE APARTMENT, THEY THOUGHT THAT THE FATHER AT THE TIME, UM, WAS THE AGGRESSOR.
UM, AND SO THEY TRIED TO TAKE CARE OF THE KID.
YOU KNOW, OF COURSE HINDSIGHT'S 2020, BUT I'M NOT QUITE SURE, UH, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT OFFICER CONDUCT ANY POLICY THAT'S, THAT'S BROKEN, UM, WITH ALL THE INFORMATION THEY HAVE NOW, COULD THEY HAVE MADE BETTER DECISIONS? PROBABLY.
BUT WITH THIS DECISION, THE INFORMATION THEY HAD AT THE TIME, I'M NOT QUITE SURE.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION ON THAT AS WELL.
SO, UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE TAKE THIS TO A VOTE? ALRIGHT, SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL, VOTE ON THIS.
WE'LL JUST GO ONE BY ONE AND, UH, THERE'LL BE TWO OPTIONS, YAY OR NAY AND YAY.
UM, WILL BE TO ACCEPT THE REPORT AND THE FINDINGS THAT INVESTIGATOR HUFF, UH, HAS LAID OUT IN, UH, IN THIS REPORT, WHICH, UH, TO BE, UH, MORE, UH, SPECIFIC.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PULL, PULL IT UP HERE.
UM, THAT MEANS, UH, ON THE FOUR COMPLAINTS OFFICER PLACED POLSKY'S CHILD IN CARE OF A STRANGER, EXONERATED NUMBER TWO, OFFICER REFUSED TO HAVE THE CHILD SENT TO THE HOSPITAL FOR A PSYCHOTIC EPISODE.
UNFOUNDED OFFICERS REFUSED TO TELL POLSKY WHERE HIS CHILD WAS TAKEN TO UNFOUNDED NUMBER FOUR, OFFICERS DID NOT RECOGNIZE POLSKY AS THE CONSERVATOR OF HIS CHILD, UNFOUNDED.
UM, IF YOU VOTE IN THE YAY, YOU'RE VOTING TO ACCEPT THE OCPO FINDINGS, AND IF YOU VOTE IN THE NAY, YOU DISAGREE, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION AFTER.
UH, BASED ON, ON THAT, WE'LL DO A, A ROLL CALL VOTE.
IS EVERYBODY CLEAR OF, UH, WHAT'S THE STAKE? OKAY.
UH, THE MOTION CARRIES 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 10 VOTES TO 1, 2, 3, 4, 10 VOTES TO FOUR.
UH, THE MOTION CARRIES, UH, AND THE, UH, FINDINGS ARE SUPPORTED BY, UH, AFFIRMED BY THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, BY THE BOARD OF, UH, POLICE BOARD.
THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THAT CORRECTLY.
WE'LL NOW MOVE TO CASE NUMBER NI 2025 DASH OH 7 5 7 CRICK WILKERSON.
UH, THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE INVESTIGATOR HUFF AGAIN FOR THIS REPORT.
ON AUGUST 17TH, 2025, WILKERSON FILED A COMPLAINT WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT MAKING THE FOLLOWING ALLEGATIONS.
WILKERSON ALLEGED HE WAS FALSELY ACCUSED OF RAPE.
WILKERSON STATED THAT THE FALSE ARREST WARRANTS WERE ISSUED AND DISMISSED ON NOVEMBER 29TH, 2010.
HE FURTHER ALLEGED THAT THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT DID NOT EXERCISE DUE DILIGENCE WHEN ARRESTING HIM ON THESE WARRANTS.
WILKERSON ALSO CLAIMED HE WAS FORCED INTO A FRAUDULENT TRIAL AND WRONGFULLY CONVICTED ON SEX CHARGES.
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THAT COMPLAINT WENT TO THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION.UM, THEY ADVISED THAT THERE WAS NO VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENT POLICIES OR PROCEDURES, AND THEY ALSO INDICATED IT WAS A DUPLICATE COMPLAINT.
A REVIEW OF RECORDS SHOWED THAT MR. WILKERSON HAD FILED 14 SEPARATE COMPLAINTS OVER THE SAME INCIDENT OVER THE PAST 15 YEARS.
I, SO WHEN DOING A REVIEW OF THIS INCIDENT AND WHEN SHE, HE SAYS HE WAS WRONGFULLY CONVICTED, I FOUND A PETITION FOR WRIT OF HABEAS CORPUS.
THIS WAS FILED BY MR. WILKERSON BACK ON JANUARY 23RD, 2015 IN THE DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS.
THAT COURT ADDRESSES WILKERSON'S CLAIM THAT THERE WERE DEFECTIVE ARREST WARRANTS AND HE WAS NEVER ARRESTED OR ARRAIGNED ON THE CHARGES.
THE COURT EXPLAINED THAT IN OCTOBER OF 20,008, I MEAN 2008, WILKERSON WAS CHARGED WITH COMPELLING PROSTITUTION OF A CHILD AND WAS FREE ON A $25,000 BOND FOR THOSE CHARGES FOR THOSE TWO YEARS.
THEN ON NOVEMBER 22ND, 2010, WILKERSON WAS INDICTED FOR SEXUAL PERFORMANCE OF A CHILD AND SEXUAL ASSAULT OF A CHILD.
SINCE THE NEW CHARGES STEMMED FROM THE SAME COURSE OF EVENTS AS THE 2008 CHARGE, THEY WERE CONSOLIDATED.
THE COURT STATED THAT WILKERSON DOES NOT HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO BE ARRESTED.
WILKERSON PROVIDED NO LEGAL REASON WHY THE STATE COULD NOT ADD NEW CHARGES AFTER HIS INITIAL INDICTMENT.
THE COURT GOES ON TO EXPLAIN THAT EVEN IF THERE WAS A PROCEDURAL DEFECT DUE TO THE LACK OF ARREST, WILKERSON WOULD NOT BE ENTITLED TO HABEAS CORPUS RELIEF BECAUSE AN ILLEGAL ARREST OR DETENTION DOES NOT VOID SUBSEQUENT CONVICTION.
AND THE COURT ALSO ADDRESSED WILKINSON'S CLAIM OF POLICE AND PROSECUTORIAL MISCONDUCT WITH A SUMMARY CONCLUSION, WHICH STATED, UPON REVIEW, THE COURT FINDS THAT THESE CONTENTIONS ALSO CONCLUSORY LACK MERIT AS WELL.
SO BASED ON THAT INFORMATION, UM, I COULD NOT FIND ANY VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENT POLICY BY THE, UM, THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEREFORE, I, I FIND THOSE ALL THE ALLEGATIONS TO BE UNFOUNDED.
AND IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT IN THE, UM, GENERAL ORDER FOR THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, SECTION 5 0 2, IT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES THE COMPLAINT OF INNOCENCE BY STATING COMPLAINTS RELATIVE TO DIFFERENCE OF OPINION BETWEEN A CITIZEN AND AN ARRESTING POLICE OFFICER REGARDING THE GUILT OR INNOCENCE OF THAT CITIZEN WILL NOT BE INVESTIGATED, BUT WILL BE PROPERLY DISPOSED OF WITHIN THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM.
SO BASED ON THIS INFORMATION, UM, IT APPEARS IT WAS PROPERLY DISPOSED OF WITHIN THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM AND THAT THE DALLAS POLICE DORMANT HANDLED THIS COMPLAINT CORRECTLY.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION, UH, FROM THIS BOARD BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO, UH, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION? JUDGE LANDER, I WOULDN'T TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE THAT THE CONCLUSION OF THE, UH, OP
THE CONCLUSION, UH, BE ACCEPTED, AND, UH, AS, AS, UH, COMPLETE'S BEEN A MOTION.
IS IT SECONDED? SECOND BY LAUREN GILBERT.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING THERE'S NO DISCUSSION.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE THIS TO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
UM, SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THOSE TWO CH CHOICES, YAY OR NAY YAY, IS TO ACCEPT THE FINDINGS FROM THE OCPO.
NAY IS TO REJECT THE FINDINGS AND IF THE NAYS CARRY WE'LL, WE'LL DISCUSS THAT AT THE END, BUT WE'LL GO, UH, ROLL BY, UH, DISTRICT BY DISTRICT.
UH, MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
UH, WE, UH, VOTE TO ACCEPT THE FINDINGS OF THE OCPO REGARDING THIS INVESTIGATION.
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MORE INVESTIGATION, UH, WESLEY THOMPSON.AND HE WAS THE INDIVIDUAL, UH, THAT WAS, THAT SPOKE TO US EARLIER AND HAD THE VIDEO.
SO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WE HEAR INVESTIGATOR HUFF'S, UH, INVESTIGATION FINDINGS.
THE FLOOR IS YOURS, INVESTIGATOR.
ON JULY 15TH, 2025, WESLEY THOMAS SUBMITTED A COMPLAINT TO THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH THE FOLLOWING ALLEGATIONS.
POLICE RESPONDED TO A CIVIL MATTER AT MR. THOMAS' RESIDENCE.
AFTER DETERMINING THAT NO CRIME HAD BEEN COMMITTED, MR. THOMAS INSTRUCTED SERGEANT PONCE TO LEAVE HIS PROPERTY.
MR. THOMAS ALLEGES THAT SERGEANT PONCE REMAINED ON THE PROPERTY FOR 30 MINUTES AFTER BEING TOLD TO LEAVE.
UH, MR. THOMAS ALSO COMPLAINED THAT SERGEANT PONCE USED PROFANE LANGUAGE WHEN LEAVING THE PROPERTY.
IN REFERENCE TO THE, UH, TRESPASS ALLEGATIONS AGAINST SERGEANT PONCE, UM, SERGEANT PONT'S RESPONDED TO THOMAS'S RESIDENCE TO INVESTIGATE A CRIME INVOLVING A FIREARM.
SERGEANT PONS PULLED HIS PATROL VEHICLE ONTO THE UNFENCED PORTION OF A DIRT LOT AND STOPPED NEAR WHERE TWO OFFICERS WERE STANDING.
THERE WERE NO SIGNS POSTED AT THE DIRT LOT INDICATING THAT ENTRY WAS FORBIDDEN.
SERGEANT PONS PARKED IN FRONT OF A FENCE THAT HAD NO TRESPASSING SIGNS ON IT, AND THE OFFICERS NEVER CROSSED THIS FENCE LINE.
WHEN THOMAS TOLD SERGEANT PONCE TO LEAVE, THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION CLARIFYING THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES.
SERGEANT PONCE WAS ON THE DIRT LOT IN HIS CAPACITY AS A DALLAS POLICE OFFICER INVESTIGATING A FIREARM RELATED INCIDENT.
UM, THE OFFICERS CONFIRMED THAT A GUN WAS PRESENT, BUT THAT WAS, BUT THAT NO CRIME HAD OCCURRED.
SERGEANT PONS WAS PARKED, PARKED ON THE PROPERTY FOR APPROXIMATELY 14 MINUTES IN TOTAL.
BASED ON THE TOTALITY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES, UM, I DID NOT FIND THAT SERGEANT PONS VIOLATED THE CRIMINAL TRESPASS SECTION, AND THEREFORE I MADE THE ALLEGATION UNFOUNDED.
IN REGARDS TO THE, UM, ALLEGATION OF PROFANITY USED DURING THIS INCIDENT, UM, MR. THOMAS TOLD SERGEANT PONS TO GET OFF HIS PROPERTY.
UM, AND I SHOULD BACK THAT UP A LITTLE BIT.
THIS IS AT NEAR THE END OF THE INTERACTION.
SERGEANT PONS IS WALKING BACK TO HIS PATROL VEHICLE, WHICH IS STILL PARKED THERE NEAR THAT, THAT FENCE.
AND, UM, AND THAT'S WHEN MR. THOMAS AGAIN SAYS TO SERGEANT PONS TO, UH, GET OFF HIS PROPERTY.
AND SERGEANT PONS RESPONDS WITH, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M F*****G DOING.
THERE'S, UM, SOME KIND OF RESPONSE FROM, UH, MR. THOMAS, WHICH IS KIND OF INAUDIBLE.
I COULDN'T REALLY HEAR WHAT IT WAS ON BODY CAM, BUT THAT SERGEANT PON THEN SAYS, NO S**T.
YOU SAW ME WALKING TOWARDS MY CAR.
THESE STATEMENTS MADE BY SERGEANT PONS WERE RECORDED WITH HIS BODY-WORN CAMERA.
BASED ON THESE ABOVE STATEMENTS, I FOUND THAT SERGEANT PONS DID VIOLATE SECTION 4.15 OF THE CODE OF CONDUCT, AND THEN THEREFORE, I FIND THAT THE ALLEGATION IS SUSTAINED.
UH, WANNA OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ADDRESSED TO INVESTIGATOR HUFF THAT WOULD ADD ANY CLARITY, ADD, UH, FILL IN ANY DETAILS, UH, BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR INVESTIGATOR HUFF.
TIM JACKSON FLOOR IS YOURS? YES, SIR.
SO, UM, AND, AND HISTORICALLY, UM, IS DPD SUPPOSED TO, UH, RELOCATE, WITHDRAW, OR MOVE OUT OF AN AREA THAT'S CONSIDERED TO BE, UM, PRIVATE PROPERTY IF INSTRUCTED BY AN INDIVIDUAL WHO'S NOT GOING TO BE TAKEN INTO CUSTODY OR IS NOT IN ANY VIOLATION OF ANY LAWS? I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THE HISTORY OF THAT.
IS IT THEIR PROCEDURE TO DO SO? I COULD NOT FIND ANY POLICY OR PROCEDURE THAT SPECIFICALLY S STATED THAT.
AND I, I COULD CLARIFY THAT, UM, HE PARKED THERE AND THAT THEY WERE INVESTIGATING WHETHER THIS GUN WAS USED IN A CRIME OR NOT.
YOU KNOW, THE CALL, THE DISPATCH CALL WAS THAT, UM, A GUN WAS PULLED OUT WHEN SHE WENT ASKING FOR THE EXCHANGE OF THE, OF THE CHILDREN.
UM, IT DIDN'T CLARIFY HOW THAT WAS USED.
SO THE OFFICERS CONTACTED HER AGAIN AND ASKED HER WHAT HAPPENED, AND SHE SAID, YEAH, HE DID HAVE A GUN, BUT IT WAS NOT POINTED AT ANYBODY.
IT WAS NOT USED IN A THREATENING MANNER, BUT HE DID HAVE IT WITH HIM.
I SAW IN THE VIDEO THAT THERE'S A FENCE WITH A NO TRESPASSING SIGN.
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YES.AND THE CAR WAS PARKED OUTSIDE THAT FENCE.
BUT, UH, I GUESS, UH, IN INTER INFORM ME, EDUCATE ME, IS THE ROAD OUTSIDE OF THE FENCE ALSO CONSIDERED HIS PROPERTY? YES.
HE SENT ME A, A PLOT PLAN OF HIS PROPERTY, AND THAT INDICATED THAT FRONT SECTION OUTSIDE OF THE FENCE LINE WAS ALSO HIS PROPERTY, BUT THERE'S JUST NO MARKINGS ON IT.
SO THE CAR PARKED IN FRONT OF THE FENCE, UM, BUT TECHNICALLY IT'S THE, THE PROPERTY OF MR. THOMPSON.
HOW LONG WAS THE CAR PARKED THERE? APPROXIMATELY 14 MINUTES.
MS. SIMON, YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS? YEAH, JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION.
I'M, I'M CONFUSED ABOUT THE DIVISION REFERRAL SHOWING THAT PONS WAS EXONERATED FOR THE FILE LANGUAGE AND YOU FINDING THAT HE NO, IT'S SUSTAINED.
SO I DON'T, I'M I'M UN I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW YOU HAVE THIS DIFFERENT CONCLUSION, BUT THERE'S NO RECOMMENDATION.
YOU'RE ASKING HOW THE, ON THE, UM, THE LIEUTENANT WHO DID THE INVESTIGATION.
WELL, WELL, I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS THIS, UM, UM, IF HE DID IN FACT USE THE FILE LANGUAGE AND THAT IS A VIOLATION OF POLICY, CORRECT.
SHOULD IT NOT BE NOTED THAT THERE WAS A VIOLATION OF POLICY AND THEN THE DISCIPLINE'S AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ISSUE.
WHETHER YOU WANNA BE DISCIPLINED OR GIVE A VERBAL WARNING OR WHATEVER, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.
WHAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME IS TO EXONERATE SOMEBODY FOR DOING SOMETHING THEY DID.
AND SO I WANNA UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS AND WHY WE DON'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION THAT NO, YOU CAN, HE, HE'S NOT EXONE, HE DID IT, BUT YOU HAVE SOME LEVEL OF DISCIPLINARY ACTION OR NON-ACTION YOU CAN MAKE.
SO THAT'S THE QUESTION I'VE GOT.
YEAH, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE LIEUTENANT HIMSELF, BUT HE DID DO THE INVESTIGATION AND HE DID COME UP WITH A FINDING OF EXONERATION, BUT THEN HE DID COUNSEL THE OFFICER FOR USING PROFANITY.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT QUESTION, UH, THAT YOU BRING UP MS. SIMON AND I DON'T KNOW, UM, MAJOR SLAS.
UH, JUST HAVE A A QUESTION FOR YOU IF POSSIBLE.
UM, WHAT IS, UH, DPDS POLICY IN REGARD TO PROFANITY? WE DO HAVE A VERY, WE DO HAVE A VERY CLEAR POLICY REGARDING LANGUAGE AS FAR AS NOT TO BE USED ON CERTAIN CASES.
OFFICERS ARE ALLOWED TO USE CURSE WORDS TO DEESCALATE THE SITUATION TO MAKE SURE THAT, BUT THAT'S CALLED VERBAL JUDO.
UH, DEPENDING ON HOW HEATED THE ARGUMENT IS, IT IS NEVER THE RIGHT PRACTICE, ESPECIALLY HE'S A SUPERVISOR, BUT NONETHELESS, THERE IS, IN THIS CASE, HE'S IN CLEAR VIOLATION OF THAT POLICY OF USING, UH, WARD.
I THINK TOO, I, I, WE HAD TALKED INVESTIGATOR, UH, ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR CASE AND, AND, UH, YOU HAD, I'D ASKED TO SEE IF YOU HAD ANY WRITTEN POLICY FROM THE DPD POLICY BOOK ABOUT SPECIFICALLY LANGUAGE.
DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE THAT ON HAND? YES, I HAVE THE POLICY IN FRONT OF ME HERE.
UH, SECTION 4.15 SAYS, NO EMPLOYEE SHALL USE INDECENT OR PROFANE LANGUAGE IN THE PERFORMANCE OF OFFICIAL DUTIES OR IN THE PRESENCE OF THE PUBLIC.
AND THEN I SHOULD ADD SECTION 4.14 SAYS, NO EMPLOYEE SHALL USE LOUD OR HARSH LANGUAGE IN PERFORMANCE OF OFFICIAL DUTIES EXCEPT AS NECESSARY TO GAIN CONTROL OF AN ESCALATING SITUATION.
BUT THAT SECTION DOES SAY LOUD OR HARSH LANGUAGE.
IT DOES NOT MENTION PROFANITY IN THAT SECTION.
I DIDN'T NEED TO THANK YOU BEFORE.
UH, SO THAT, THAT WAS A, A QUESTION OF CLARIFICATION.
I, I THINK THAT'S AN INTERESTING TOPIC YOU BRING UP.
UM, AND WE CAN DISCUSS THAT FURTHER.
BUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION? I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
UH, TIM JACKSON, DISTRICT SEVEN FOR THE MAJOR.
IF HE COULD COME BACK TO THE POINT, OH, HEY, MAJOR.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BEING HERE, ADDING CLARITY TO IT TO THESE, UH, THESE DISCUSSIONS.
THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK TO THE MICROPHONE.
UM, SO I, I GUESS I'M GONNA BE VERY SPECIFIC WITH WHAT I'M GONNA ASK, AND I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE TO THE BOARD MEMBERS AND ANYONE IN ATTENDANCE, BUT MAKING A CORRELATION, YOU KNOW, BEING ON RIDEALONGS AND ALSO WATCHING A LOT OF THE VIDEOS AND SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE HAVE, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A DIFFERENCE WHEN A, WHEN AN OFFICER YELLS IN THE HEAT OF THE MOMENT WHILE RESPONDING TO A CALL, YOU KNOW, GET THE F**K DOWN OR PUT YOUR F*****G HANDS UP, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE HEAT OF THE MOMENT.
AND, AND WE, YOU'VE EXPLAINED TO US, OR YOUR DEPARTMENT HAS EXPLAINED TO US ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S WITHIN THE REALM OF THEM DOING THEIR JOB.
BUT IF YOU HAVE AN OFFICER USING, YOU KNOW, THE SAME PROFANITY, UH, SAYING THAT HE F*****G KNOWS OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, NO S**T.
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UM, THAT'S KIND OF MORE SO ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE VERBAL JUDO SPECTRUM.AND AS SOMEONE WHO'S CERTIFIED IN VERBAL JUDO, YOU KNOW, I WAS NEVER TAUGHT TO CURSE BACK AT SOMEBODY, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE CURSING AT ME.
SO WHY THEN, OR WOULD YOU SAY THAT IT'S NORMAL FOR, UH, A LIEUTENANT OR SOMEONE WITHIN, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, SERGEANT'S, UH, CHAIN OF COMMAND TO DISMISS OR SAY, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE KNOW THAT HE DID SOMETHING, BUT IN WRITING WE'RE GONNA SAY THAT HE DIDN'T, UM, BUT STILL COUNSEL THEM OR SHOULD THERE BE SOME TYPE OF CONSISTENCY IF THERE'S A CLEAR VIOLATION? I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE LIEUTENANT, BUT IT IS OBVIOUS THAT INSTEAD OF EXONERATED BECAUSE JUST JUST SAID SUSTAIN, AND THEN LIKE, UH, SOMEBODY BROUGHT IT UP, GIVE WHATEVER DISCIPLINE THE LIEUTENANT DID ADDRESS HIS CONDUCT, BUT PUT THE OTHER WORD OF EXONERATION.
SO, AND, AND MAYBE I NEED MORE CLARITY ON THIS.
SO IF HE, HOW CAN ONE BE EXONERATED BUT STILL ADDRESSED, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.
LIKE IF HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING, HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING, IS, IS CORRECT.
YOU KNOW, FROM A PUBLIC INTEGRITY STANDPOINT, THESE ARE SOME OF THE REASONS WHY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE MAKE COMPLAINTS BECAUSE IT'S LIKE ON PAPER NOTHING EVER HAPPENED, BUT, YOU KNOW, BEHIND THE SCENES IT SAY, ALL RIGHT, DON'T DO THAT AGAIN.
UM, AND, AND HOW CAN THERE BE MORE CONSISTENCY WITH, YOU KNOW, SITUATIONS LIKE THESE SO THAT THERE'S MORE TRANSPARENCY AND, UH, MORE OF A CONSISTENT WAY TO DISCIPLINE AND MOVE HIM FORWARD? AND I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU.
I'M JUST, UH, PRETTY MUCH ANSWERING WHAT YOU'RE ASKING AND THE FINDINGS.
UM, YEAH, IT WAS, SO TO START OFF, YEAH, I, I BELIEVE MY LYING EYES AND THE EARS, HE, HE DID CURSE.
AND WHATEVER THE, UM, RECOMMENDED DISCIPLINE WAS FOR HIM IS, IS OUTTA MY CONTROL.
I, I TOO, WHEN MR. THOMAS WAS HERE, I, THE REASON I ASKED YOU FOR HIS ADDRESS IS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT AREA OF LANCASTER ROAD, AND THOSE ARE SOME HUGE LOTS, AND I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE HIS LOT ENDED AND WHERE HIS LOT BEGAN BASED ON WHERE THE FENCE LINE WAS.
AND APPARENTLY WHERE THAT FENCE LINE IS, HE STILL GOT ANOTHER 50, 60 YARDS FROM THAT FENCE TO THE STREET.
AND SO WHEN THE OFFICER PULLED UP, HE PULLED UP INTO WHAT LOOKS KIND OF LIKE A DIRT DRIVEWAY.
NOW, MR. THOMAS, AND I'M GOING TO USE THIS TERM THE CORRECT WAY, THE MOTHER OF MR. THOMAS'S CHILD SAID MR. THOMAS HAD A GUN JUST LIKE THAT.
HE GOT A, HE GOT, DID YOU LISTEN TO THE 9 1 1 CALL? NO.
I MEAN, I LISTENED TO THE ONE THAT WAS PLAYED HERE.
SO IF, AND, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG MAJOR, IF SOMEONE CALLS AND SAID, I'M HERE TO PICK UP MY CHILD, HER FATHER WON'T LET ME HAVE HIM, AND HE'S GOT A GUN, IS THAT PRIORITY ONE? WE HAVE A GUN? YES.
IT'S LIKE, IT'S GONNA BE A ONE.
BUT WHEN THE POLICE OFFICERS GOT TO THE SCENE, NOBODY REALLY TRIED TO GO ON TO THE GROUNDS OR TO FIND A CHILD.
AND WHEN THEY TALKED TO THE MOTHER, THE MOTHER DIDN'T MENTION A GUN.
THE NEXT TIME THEY, IN THE INITIAL CONVERSATION WITH THE POLICE OFFICER.
AND THE INITIAL CONVERSATION, THERE'S NO MENTION OF A GUN.
AND HE WAS STANDING BACK IN THE YARD.
SO IF HE HAD LIKE A PISTOL IN HIS POCKET, YOU WOULDN'T REALLY BE ABLE TO TELL.
AND BEING THAT HE'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO LAW THAT SAYS HE CAN'T HAVE A GUN.
BUT FOR ME, WHEN I WRAP MY MIND AROUND IT, HE WON'T LET ME HAVE MY CHILD.
HE GOT A GUN ON A NINE ONE ONE CALL IS CONCERNING.
SO ULTIMATELY IT, NOTHING HAPPENED.
I JUST, I JUST, I FIND THAT UNUSUAL.
NO, I DON'T FIND IT UNUSUAL IN TODAY'S WORLD.
I, I, I JUST THINK THAT, UM, I'M, WELL, I'M HAPPY THAT NOTHING REALLY TOOK PLACE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POLICY IS.
I, I KNOW IT WOULD BE A PRIORITY ONE CALL, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN GO PAST THAT GATE OR NOT.
I, I JUST, I'M HAPPY THAT, UH, THAT CHILD IS SAFE AND, UM,
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YEAH, THAT, THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.UM, I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THIS AND WE'VE DEALT WITH THESE SITUATIONS BEFORE, AND I THINK THAT'S WHEN MAJOR GREER WAS HERE AND HE KINDA EXPLAINED VERBAL JUDO AND ALL OF THAT, AND, AND DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT, UM, BUT I GUESS I KIND OF JUST GO BACK TO THE NUANCE OF THE DEPARTMENT STATING THAT THE OFFICER WAS EXONERATED WHEN WE SEE SPECIFICALLY THAT THE OFFICER, YOU KNOW, COMMITTED THAT POLICY INFRACTION.
AND I THINK I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE WHERE THAT'S CONCERNING.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, YOUR, UH, PERFORMANCE SHEET AND ALL OF THAT, YOU WANT TO KEEP THAT CLEAN.
UM, AND THIS, THIS STARTS TO ERODE THAT TRUST IN THE PUBLIC AND STARTS TO LOOK LIKE THAT BLUE WALL WILL SAY WHAT IT NEEDS TO SAY TO MAKE SURE IT COVERS CERTAIN THINGS.
SO I, I JUST, I GUESS I CAN'T SEE HOW THE CONCLUSION WOULD BE AN EXONERATION.
I'M FINE WITH, YOU KNOW, IT WAS SUSTAINED.
HE IS GUILTY OF SAYING THAT, AND THEN WE MADE THE CONVERSATION OF THE TRAINING, ET CETERA.
BUT TO SAY THIS, NOW, YOU KNOW, IN MY MIND HE HAS A CLEAN SHEET.
SO WHEN WE STARTED ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW MANY TIMES AND OFFICER HAS DONE X, Y, AND Z, THAT DATA IS NOT ACCURATE BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T COME UP BASED ON WHAT'S IN THAT SHEET, BECAUSE HE'S EXONERATED OF THAT.
EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS A, YOU KNOW, IT STATED THAT THERE WAS AN OFFLINE CONVERSATION THAT, YOU KNOW, GAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, UM, REDIRECTION AND TRAINING.
SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, AS A BOARD, WE NEED A RECOMMENDATION THAT COMES FROM THIS BOARD, THAT IF YOU'RE GUILTY OF WHAT'S THERE AND IS OBVIOUSLY ON THE BODY-WORN CAMERA, THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT A POLICY THAT SOMEONE CAN BE EXONERATED FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY ACTUALLY DID 'CAUSE IT, THIS STATES THAT THEY DIDN'T DO IT IF YOU JUST READ THE BLACK AND WHITE, BUT WE SEE THE CAMERA FOOTAGE, THEY DID DO IT.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S DISHEARTENING AND CHALLENGING FOR A BOARD THAT'S REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE SEE AND WE, WE RECEIVE AND WE RECOMMEND IS FACTUAL.
SO I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, WITH THAT PORTION OF DPDS, YOU KNOW, OUTCOME.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT AS AN, AS A BOARD CHAIR.
IF I MAY, UM, OR I'M SORRY, WAS, UH, IF, IF, UM, THE MAJOR WAS GONNA RESPOND, I CAN SPEAK AFTER HIM.
UH, YOU DID, YOU RESPOND, IF I COULD PIGGYBACK OFF OF THE VICE CHAIR? UH, I'LL ALSO ADD TO IT THAT IT DEFINITELY CREATES A SITUATION OF A LACK OF TRUST, SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE IT WAS A, A SERGEANT, YOU KNOW, IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, YOU KNOW, NOT TO SAY THAT I WOULD SHOW LESS OR MORE LENIENCY IF IT WAS AN OFFICER, BUT IF IT'S SOMEONE WHO YOU TYPICALLY CALL FOR ESCALATIONS OR, YOU KNOW, A HIGHER AUTHORITY, IF YOU'RE SOMEONE THAT'S DEALING WITH THE POLICE, AND THAT'S THE RESPONSE THAT YOU GET, UH, SOMEONE WHO ISN'T SEEMINGLY ATTEMPTING TO DEESCALATE, BUT RATHER MATCHING THAT ENERGY FOR LACK OF BETTER PHRASES, THEN THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF RE CORRECTION OR RETRAINING, UH, FOR THAT OFFICER.
ALSO, FOR, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS OF THE DEPARTMENT, SPECIFICALLY THOSE IN, UH, MANAGERIAL ROLES.
AND I SAY THAT AS SOMEONE WHO'S, YOU KNOW, HAD TO DEAL WITH, UM, UH, HIGHER UPS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT IN SITUATIONS, AND I, I, I FELT SIMILAR, UH, RESPONSES WITHOUT THE PROFANITY, YOU KNOW, UM, OUR CITIZENS SHOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO A SUPERVISOR, UM, WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, BEING SPOKEN DOWN ON OR, UH, OR TO SOMEONE WHO CAN DEESCALATE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S JUST THE FINAL THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT IT.
AND WE SHOULD REVISIT IT OR SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S ADDED TO THE POLICY, OR AT LEAST HAVE SOME FORM OF ACCOUNTABILITY.
BECAUSE AGAIN, IT SENDS A VERY STRONG MESSAGE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC WHEN WE CLEARLY SEE SOMETHING, WE CLEARLY HEAR SOMETHING.
IT'S NOT IN THE ACT OF DUTY, IT'S NOT IN A SITUATION THAT'S A HIGH DURES SITUATION.
IT'S LITERALLY JUST THEM HAVING A CONVERSATION AND HE CHOSE TO RESPOND THE WAY THAT HE DID.
AND FOR MEMBERS, I AM NOT HERE D DEFEND THE LIEUTENANT.
I, I WAS, I, OH, I, I DIDN'T SAY I, I'M AGREEING WITH EVEN ONE OF INVESTIGATION IS SEPARATE.
I KNOW YOU GUYS GIVE US A LITTLE TRANSPARENCY.
I WAS JUST MAKING THAT, THAT COMMENT FOR THE RECORD.
THINK MR. JACKSON, JUDGE LANDER.
IS IT THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT'S RECOMMENDATION THAT WE REQUEST THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CHANGE THE FINDING FROM EXONERATED TO SUSTAINED? IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY? OR SOMETHING ELSE? WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE, WHAT
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IS IT THAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO DO? WELL, OUR FINDING IS THAT IT'S SUSTAINED.AND WE WILL SEND THAT TO THE CHIEF AND THAT'LL BE UP TO HIM TO, SO WE WILL BASICALLY BE SAYING, UM, THAT YOU ALL AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SAID HE WAS EXONERATED, BUT WE FIND HIM, IT SUSTAINED WHAT YOU'RE GOING DO ABOUT IT.
I THINK TOO, JUDGE, TO, TO, UH, PIGGYBACK OFFICER JACKSON, SOME OF THE GREAT IDEAS HAVE BEEN SAID.
I THINK MAYBE FOR THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THERE'S TWO PARTS.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO SUGGEST.
ONE WOULD BE TO VOTE ON, UH, WHETHER WE APPROVE THE OFFICE'S FINDINGS.
AND THEN, UH, THE NEXT, I THINK, UH, I THINK WE, I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR POLICY AND, UH, MAYBE TAKE IT TO THE, THE POLICY COMMITTEE, UH, REGARDING PROFANITY, THE CURRENT POLICY AT DALLAS, IDI, SORRY, NOT DALLAS.
UH, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT WITH FRESH EYES, UH, BECAUSE THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN, ANY OFFICER THAT USES FOUL LANGUAGE IS VIOLATING POLICY, AND YOU HAVE A CHOICE.
IT'S, IT'S EITHER ONE OR TWO CHOICES.
YOU EITHER, UH, ENFORCE THE POLICY AND EVERYBODY WHO USES FOUL LANGUAGE AND UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE IS VIOLATING POLICY.
OR IT MIGHT BE A NEED TO CHANGE THE POLICY TO INCLUDE, UH, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, I CAN UNDERSTAND AN OFFICER IN A LIFE THREATENING SITUATION IF HE'S GETTING SHOT AT OR SHE'S GETTING SHOT AT IN THE, IN THE MOMENT, I CAN UNDERSTAND THEM USING, UM, PROFANE LANGUAGE IN THAT MOMENT.
UH, I CAN UNDERSTAND IN THE, IN THE HEAT OF THAT MOMENT WHEN YOUR LIFE IS IN DANGER, THE CURRENT POLICY DOESN'T ALLOW THAT.
LET ME, ACTUALLY, CAN I JUST ADD, UM, CHAIR, THE CURRENT POLICY DOES ALLOW PROFANITY IF IT'S TO AFFECT AN ARREST.
SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.
SO PROFANITY IS ALLOWED IF IT'S TO AN AFFECT, AN ARREST TO AFFECT AN ARREST, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IF IT'S GONNA HELP WITH, TO, TO ARREST SOMEONE IF CALM THE SITUATION? UM, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE POLICY SAID.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU'RE SAID YOU SHOULD USE HARSH LANGUAGE, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH.
WE'RE SAYING CURRENTLY IT, WITH THE CURRENT POLICY, IT VIOLATES THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
BUT YOU WERE JUST SAYING THAT IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR ANY EXCEPTION.
THERE IS AN EXCEPTION UNDER THE POLICY THAT YOU CAN USE PROFANITY IF IT'S TO AN EFFECT, AN ARREST.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS I'M, I'M, I'M UNSURE THAT'S TRUE.
BECAUSE THE, THE TWO THAT YOU READ, THE SECOND ONE, THE HARSH LANGUAGE.
CAN YOU READ THAT ONE MORE TIME? IT SAYS, NO EMPLOYEE SHALL USE LOUD OR HARSH LANGUAGE IN PERFORMANCE OF OFFICIAL DUTIES EXCEPT AS NECESSARY TO GAIN CONTROL OF AN ESCALATING SITUATION.
BUT IT DOESN'T, DOESN'T NECESSARILY INVOLVE PROFANITY.
I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT, UH, SOME POLICY RECOMMENDATION.
'CAUSE WHAT IS PROFANE THAT CAN FALTER AGAINST, YOU KNOW, WHAT I CONSIDER A PROFANE WORD MAY NOT BE A PROFANE WORD IN, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER COMMUNITY OR ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, UM, GROUP.
SO TO ME, I THINK THAT'S MAYBE SOMETHING THAT OUR POLICY COMMITTEE COULD LOOK AT AND KIND OF FLESH OUT AND TALK WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ABOUT.
BUT I STILL HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE FACT THAT YOU SAW IT HAPPEN AND YOU EXONERATE IT.
LIKE THAT RIGHT THERE, THAT'S NOT CONNECTING FOR ME.
THAT CAN'T, TO ME, THAT CAN'T BE.
UM, SO I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT DEFINITELY WITH THIS CASE.
'CAUSE I THINK IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT WE HAVE THE EVIDENCE ON THE BODY-WORN CAMERA, AND WE HAVE THE OUTCOME OF, UM, THE DIVISION REFERRAL SHOWING THAT HE WAS EXONERATED FOR THE ACTIONS THAT WE SEE OR HEAR.
UM, I THINK THE SEPARATE IS LET'S, YOU KNOW, FOR THE POLICY COMMITTEE, LET'S DIVE INTO, UM, AND I THINK WE CAN TRY AND BENCHMARK FROM SOME OTHER, UM, DEPARTMENTS, ET CETERA.
WHAT PROFANE LANGUAGE IS WHAT WE WOULD SUGGEST THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, WORK WITH US AND, AND TALK ABOUT, UM, BASED ON OUR, UM, INTERACTIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY AND BRINGING THAT LEVEL OF REPRESENTATION FORWARD, WE CAN DO SOME RECOMMENDATION.
I KNOW THERE ARE SOME CITIES THAT'S ACTUALLY MOVING AWAY FROM ALLOWING IT, PERIOD.
THEY DON'T ALLOW JUST BECAUSE OF PROFESSIONALISM.
LIKE THEY DON'T ALLOW, UM, THE OFFICERS TO USE THAT LANGUAGE AT ALL.
SO WE CAN DEFINITELY DO SOME RESEARCH.
I'M SAYING WHAT JULIE? OH, NO,
YOU, YOU READY TO MOVE ON, MS. SIMON? I JUST WANNA SAY REAL QUICK, MY, MY, MY ONLY COMMENT IS THIS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU ARE NOT MAKING ANY ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS HERE BECAUSE THE COUNSELING HAPPENED BASED UPON THE BEHAVIOR.
I I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT.
THE ISSUE I HAVE IS WHY WE DON'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION THAT, UM, IT SHOULDN'T BE NOTED THAT HE WAS EXONERATED.
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IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT HE DID IT AND WAS COUNSELED, AND THEN THAT'S THE END OF IT.I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE MY ISSUE IS WHETHER THIS, I'M NOT MAKING THAT YOUR OFFICE IS NOT MAKING ANY RECOMMENDATION.
DISTRICT SIX, DERRICK PEGRAM, IT STILLS COMES BACK TO THE BASIC, UM, ACCOUNTABILITY.
THE POLICY SAID THIS AND THIS REPORT, OR THE, THE EXONERATED DOESN'T SUSTAIN WHAT THE POLICY IS SAYING, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT IT BE CHANGED SO THAT IT ACTUALLY REFLECTS ON HIS RECORD, SO THAT HE COULD PROBABLY EVEN ACT BETTER LATER.
OR AS A GROUP, THE POLICE CAN REC, I MEAN, GO BACK TO IT, BUT THE FACT TO SAY THAT YOU DID IT, BUT YOU OKAY THIS TIME NOT ACCORDING TO POLICY.
SO HE SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
THE BOTTOM LINE, JUDGE LANDER HERE.
UM, YES, JUDGE, WHILE, WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY, AS I READ THIS, THE, EVEN THE FIRST ISSUE, HE WAS FOUND UNFOUNDED, EVEN THOUGH HE WAS IN FACT ON THE PROPERTY OF SOMEBODY ELSE, WHETHER HE KNEW IT WAS A PROPERTY OR NOT.
UM, THAT'S A, THAT'S A QUESTION, BUT, UH, HE WAS ON THE PROPERTY OF SOMEONE ELSE.
SO THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, UH, IN ALL HONESTY, A UM, A FINDING OF CULPABILITY THERE AS WELL.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HE'S ON THE PROPERTY OF SOMEBODY ELSE AND HE CUSSES.
UH, WE SAW IT ALL, UH, AS, AS HE SAID, WHO YOU GONNA BELIEVE? ME? OR YOUR LYING EYES? WELL, MY EYES SAW IT AND MY EARS HEARD IT.
SO BOTH OF THEM, BOTH OF THE ALLEGATIONS SHOULD BE FOUNDED IN MY OPINION.
JUST, JUST WANT TO ADD IN REGARDS TO CRIMINAL TRESPASS, OH, SORRY, MY MIC WASN'T ON THE REASON WHY WE DIDN'T SUSTAIN THE CRIMINAL TRESPASS BECAUSE THEY WERE RESPONDING TO A CALL.
SO CRIMINAL TRESPASSING ON A PROPERTY, IF, IF AN OFFICER'S RESPONDING TO A CALL, THAT WOULD, SO RESPONDING TO A CALL MEANS HE'S EXONERATED FROM BEING ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY.
WOULD THAT MEAN THAT AN OFFICER CAN NEVER RESPOND TO A CALL? NO, I'M ASKING TRESPASSING.
I'M ASKING, I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.
IS, IS EXON IS RESPONDING TO A CALL, EXONERATE HIM FROM BEING ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY? IT'S ALLOWING IT'S, IT'S ALLOWING, IT'S ALLOWED.
AND REGARDS TO, I GUESS THE CLARIFYING QUESTION I WANT, SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, UM, THE OFFICE IN OUR INVESTIGATION, WE SUSTAINED THAT, RIGHT? AND THE REASON WHY WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY FURTHER RECOMMENDATION IS BECAUSE BASED ON WHAT WE'RE SEEING, EVEN THOUGH WE DIDN'T AGREE WITH EXONERATION, RIGHT? FINDING, IT APPEARED THAT THE DEPARTMENT DID PROVIDE SOME KIND OF COUNSELING, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN THE RESULT OF THIS, DR.
ANYWAYS, SO THAT'S AN INFORMAL DISCIPLINE, RIGHT? SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE DIDN'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION.
ARE YOU RECOMMENDED THAT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A MORE HARSH OR A DIFFERENT DISCIPLINE? IS, OR ARE YOU RECOMMENDED THAT WE SHOULD ASK THE DEPARTMENT TO CHANGE THAT FINDING OF EXONERATION TO SUSTAIN THE DISCIPLINE? I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THE, UM, FINDING OF, UM, NO, NO VIOLATION SHOULD BE CHANGED TO, UM, UH, THAT HE DID IN FACT CUT, SUSTAIN, SUSTAIN.
SO THE DEPARTMENTS SHOULD CHANGE THEIR FINDING.
THE DEPARTMENT SHOULD CHANGE THEIR FINDING TO SUSTAIN.
AND YOU'VE CONVINCED ME THAT, UH, THEY SHOULD NOT CHANGE THEIR FINDING WITH RESPECT TO THE TRESPASS.
JACKSON DISTRICT SEVEN, THAT IT SHOULD BE PUT ON THE RECORD.
UH, WE HAD TWO PEOPLE TALKING.
UH, WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD, MR. JACKSON.
NO, I, I, I AGREE 1% WITH JUDGE LANDER, THAT, THAT IT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED, UH, TO SUSTAIN.
BECAUSE AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE A PATTERN OF BEHAVIORS OR THERE'S, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE DOCUMENTED.
YOU KNOW, I, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THE DISCIPLINE, BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA DISCIPLINE SOMEONE, THEN THERE NEEDS TO BE A RECORD.
I MOVE THAT WE SEPARATE THE FINDINGS, I MOVE THAT WE HANDLE THE ALLEGATION, UM, THAT NO EMPLOYEE SH UH, WILL COMMIT A CRIMINAL ACT UNFOUNDED.
AND WE VOTE ON THAT SEPARATELY FROM THE SECOND, TIM JACKSON, DISTRICT SEVEN.
THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE, IT'S BEEN SECONDED.
AND, UH, WILL WE JUST REPEAT THE MOTION ONE MORE TIME, JUST SO EVERYBODY'S CLEAR WHAT, UH, YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING.
I MOVE THAT WE VOTE ON THE FINDINGS SEPARATELY.
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WE'LL HAVE A CITY ATTORNEY HELP US, UH, WITH THIS SEPARATE IN THE FINDING.MR. CHAIRS, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MOTION IS TO DIVIDE THE QUESTION.
SO YOU'LL TAKE UP, UM, THE ALLEGATION ONE SEPARATELY IN ALLEGATION TWO SEPARATELY.
SO THIS FIRST MOTION IS JUST A MOTION TO WHETHER TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT YOU WILL TAKE THEM UP SEPARATELY.
THEN YOU'LL NEED A MOTION FOR ALLEGATION ONE AND A MOTION FOR ALLEGATION TWO.
SO THERE'S BEEN A MOTION TO SEPARATE, UH, THOSE TWO VOTING ITEMS. IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY MR. JACKSON.
UH, WE'LL, WE WILL, UH, DO A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THAT.
ANY DISCUSSION? SORRY TO COMPLICATE IT MORE, BUT ISN'T THE ISSUE OUR RECOMMENDATION? UH, WHAT'S THE QUESTION? NOT TO COMPLICATE THINGS MORE, BUT ISN'T THE ISSUE WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION SHOULD BE? THAT'S MAINLY WHAT WE'RE DEBATING ABOUT.
YEAH, BUT MAYBE, WE'LL, MAYBE THAT'D BE THE FOURTH VOTE TO THE MOTION.
YEAH, YOU CAN ADD TO THE MOTION TO THE THIRD ONE.
WE'LL ADD, I THINK THAT'LL INCLUDE, THAT'LL BE INCLUDED IN THE THIRD MOTION.
I'M NOT, I CAN'T TELL THE FUTURE, BUT MAYBE THAT BE ADDED TO THE THIRD, UH, VOTE IF WE GET THERE.
SO THIS IS A VOTE, UH, TO SEPARATE THOSE TWO SO THAT WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE, UH, VOTES REGARDING THE FINDINGS.
THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
SO NOW, UH, CAN I ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE THE FIRST, UM, RECOMMENDATION OR THE FINDING FROM? THERE'S TWO COMPLAINTS, AND WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THE OCPO FINDINGS.
DO I HAVE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE THE FINDINGS FROM THE FIRST COMPLAINT, UH, REGARDING MR. THOMPSON? LAUREN GILBERT SMITH? I MOVE THAT WE, UM, APPROVE THE FIRST COMPLAINT, CRIMINAL FINDINGS OF CRIMINAL.
SO THIS IS ABOUT THE, THIS IS ABOUT THE CRIMINAL TRESPASSING, AND THERE'S BEEN A, A MOTION MADE BY DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION? UM, I GUESS WE'LL DO ANOTHER ROLL CALL.
JUST TO EVERYONE KNOW, UH, YES.
IS TO AFFIRM THE FINDINGS AND NO WOULD BE TO DISAGREE.
THE, IS THAT A YES? UH, FOR THE RECORD, THE VOTE IS YES.
UH, MOTION PASSES TO ACCEPT THE OCPO FINDINGS, UH, FOR COMPLAINT ONE.
UH, AND NOW WE'LL, UH, ACCEPT A MOTION, UH, FOR THE SECOND FINDING.
AND THIS IS ONE WHERE, HYPOTHETICALLY, IF YOU MAKE RECOMMENDATION, THERE COULD BE A RECOMMENDATION MADE BY A BOARD MEMBER THAT WE CAN, UH, ADD TO THIS, UH, THIS MOTION.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHEN TO SAY I AM CONFUSED, SO I'LL WAIT TILL SOMEBODY MAKES A MOTION.
ABOUT THE FOUL LANGUAGE SUSTAINMENT.
AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO ADD, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION TO ASK DBD TO CHANGE THEIR FINDING FROM A HONOR SUSTAINED, I, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE FINDINGS FOR THE 'CAUSE.
YOU WROTE IT UP OR DOWN, RIGHT? MM-HMM
I, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE FINDINGS FOR THE SECOND ONE 'CAUSE WE DON'T DO THE NEGATIVE, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS? I RECOMMEND THAT WE DO SEND A MESSAGE TO DPD
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ASKING THEM TO CHANGE THEIR CONCLUSION BECAUSE HE DID VIOLATE POLICY.I KNOW THAT THEY DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HIM, WHICH WOULD BE CONSIDERED DISCIPLINARY, BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO DO A STUDY OF HOW MANY TIMES HE'S DONE SOMETHING, IT DOESN'T SHOW UP, HE COULD HAVE BEEN CUSSING EVERYBODY OUT FOR ALL WE KNOW.
CHAIR JIM JACKSON, DISTRICT SEVEN.
IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN CLEAN UP OUR MOTION TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE SHA GONNA BE VOTING, PLEASE? I'M SORRY, MR. JACKSON.
UH, SAY IT ONE MORE TIME, WHAT YOU SAID.
UH, TIM JACKSON, DISTRICT SEVEN.
I WAS ASKING IF WE COULD CLEAN UP OUR MOTION SO THAT WE CAN EFFECTIVELY KNOW WHAT WE'RE VOTING FOR OR AGAINST.
JUST APPROVE THE, SO, UH, I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO, IF YOU COULD MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION AGAIN, AND WE'LL DO THIS TWICE.
UH, SO IF YOU COULD, FIRST MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE FINDINGS OF THE OCP OFFICE REGARDING THE SECOND, UH, AND THEN WE'LL DO ANOTHER MOTION FOLLOWING OR RECOMMENDATION ON THE RECOMMENDATION.
LORD SMITH FOR BEING, BEING THIS PERSON.
WILL YOU MAKE THE MOTION AGAIN? I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE FINDINGS FOR ALL.
FOR THE SECOND ALLEGATION, THERE'S BEEN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FINDINGS FOR THE SECOND, UH, COMPLAINT.
UH, THE, FROM THE O, THE OCPO FINDINGS REGARDING WESLEY THOMPSON THOMAS.
UH, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
BY VICE CHAIR SMITH, ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE? YES.
CAN YOU DEFINE WHAT A YES AND A NO VOTE IS IN THIS MOTION?
UM, SO THE OFFICE FOUND, UM, THEIR CONCLUSION WAS THAT UNDER THE COMPLAINT, UM, MR. HUFF, THEY DID VIOLATE POLICY UNDER, UH, THE COMPLAINT WAS NO EMPLOYEE SHALL WAIT.
UM, WAS, WAS THERE A COMPLAINT INVESTIGATOR HUFF ON THE FILE, ON THE NO EMPLOYEE SHALL USE YES.
SO THE SECOND FINDING, UH, WAS NO EMPLOYEE SHALL USE PROFANE LANGUAGE.
IT'S THE LANGUAGE ON PAGE SIX AT THE BOTTOM IT SAYS, SUSTAINED.
THERE'S A PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE IN SUPPORT OF THE ALLEGATIONS MADE IN THE COMPLAINT.
SO, YEAH, WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON RIGHT NOW IS AT THE BOTTOM OF PAGE SIX IN THE PACKET, UH, ITEM TWO, CODE OF CONDUCT SECTION 4.15.
KNOWN POLICE SHALL USE INDECENT OR PROFANE LANGUAGE IN THE PERFORMANCE OF OFFICIAL DUTIES OR IN THE PRESENCE OF THE PUBLIC.
UM, WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON IS WHAT THE OFFICE CONCLUDED.
UH, THAT, THAT HAS BEEN SUSTAINED.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS A POLICY VIOLATION.
UM, AND SO IF YOU VOTE YES ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE, YOU ARE AGREEING WITH THE FINDINGS OF THE OCPO OFFICE IN THIS PARTICULAR PARAGRAPH.
AND IF YOU VOTE NO, UH, YOU DISAGREE WITH THE CONCLUSION THAT THAT WAS SUSTAINED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE? A VOTE? OKAY.
OR JUST A CLARIFY SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON HERE.
AND THEN TO EVERYONE'S CONCERN ABOUT EXONERATED VERSUS SUSTAINED, THAT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER MOTION THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE.
HYPOTHETICALLY, HADN'T HAPPENED YET, BUT THERE COULD POTENTIALLY BE A, A MOTION MADE, UH, FOR RECOMMENDATION, CORRECT? IT'S IN THE FUTURE, YEAH.
UH, WE AS THE BOARD VOTE TO APPROVE THE FINDINGS OF THE SECOND, UM, COMPLAINT, THE CODE OF CONTACT AS SUSTAINED.
NOW, UH, IT'S THE TIME IF ANY BOARD MEMBER WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY MOTION, UH, FOR RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO HYPOTHETICALLY, UH, MAKE, MAKE A
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RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE, UM, HOW THIS HAS BEEN TREATED.THEN HOW CAN WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION? SO I, I GUESS FOR THE SECOND, UM, ISSUE, UH, INVESTIGATOR HUFF THROUGH HIS INVESTIGATION FOUND THAT, AND, SORRY, I'M GONNA USE SUSTAIN, AND SOMETIMES CONFUSING FOUND THAT THE OFFICER WAS GUILTY OF USING PROFANE LANGUAGE.
AND SO WE, THAT VOTE WAS, DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT FINDING? THAT'S THE YES.
NOW, POTENTIALLY, THIS IS THE HYPOTHETICAL.
WE COULD HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE DEPARTMENT TO ASK THEM TO CHANGE THEIR FINDING, WHICH WAS EXONERATED NOT GUILTY OF PROFANE LANGUAGE.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THEM TO CHANGE OR COULD BE SOMETHING ELSE, BUT POTENTIALLY COULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR THEM TO CHANGE THEIR FINDING OF NOT GUILTY.
EXONERATED OF PROFANE LANGUAGE.
CAN, CAN, CAN WE CLEAN UP THE FINDINGS PLEASE? FROM EXONERATED TO SUSTAIN? SO SUSTAINED MEAN THAT IT OCCURRED, RIGHT? UM, EXONERATED, MEANING IT'S WRITTEN POLICY.
SO YOU'RE REQUESTING TO CHANGE THE FINDING FROM EXONERATED TO SUSTAIN.
THAT MOTION HASN'T, THAT MOTION HASN'T OFFICIALLY BEEN MADE YET.
I MOVE THAT WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE DEPARTMENT THAT THEY CHANGE THE FINDING OF EXONERATION TO A FINDING OF SUSTAINED IN THAT FIRST IN, WELL, SECOND INCIDENT, NAMELY, TO BE SPECIFIC, THE CURSING INCIDENT.
AND THEN I'LL HAVE A SECOND MOTION OF LATER.
THERE'S, UH, THERE'S BEEN A MOTION MADE BY JUDGE LANDER.
IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY DEREK P GRAM.
WE'LL TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE BEFORE WE DO THAT, ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY.
UH, SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, UM, IF YOU VOTE YES, THEN THE OFFICE WILL SEND A LETTER, A MEMO TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT REQUESTING THAT, UH, THE FINDINGS CHANGE FROM EXONERATED TO SUSTAINED.
SO, UH, AND IF YOU VOTE NO, THE OFFICE WON'T SEND ANYTHING.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION REGARDING THIS CASE? I THINK THIS IS JUDGE LANDER.
AGAIN, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO SPECIFICALLY LOOK INTO THE LANGUAGE, UH, THAT IS SET FORTH AS THE RULE OF THE DPD.
I'M NOT SAYING HOW IT SHOULD BE CHANGED, BUT I AM SAYING THAT I THINK IT SHOULD BE CHANGED BECAUSE IT CAN BE RESTRICTIVE.
UH, AND AS I WAS POINTED OUT BY SOMEONE ELSE EARLIER, UM, EVERYBODY DOES IT, EVEN YOUR PRESIDENT CUSSES.
AND, UM, IT SEEMS TO BE OKAY FOR HIM AND THE REST OF HIS PO PEOPLE.
SO THE QUESTION'S GOING TO BE, WHY IS IT, UH, ALL OF A SUDDEN AN, AN ISSUE WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ANY OTHER CITY WITH EMPLOYEE? BECAUSE AS I HEARD WHAT, UM, INVESTIGATOR HUFF SAID, UM, IT'S NOT ONLY DPD, BUT IT'S EVERY CITY EMPLOYEE.
WHAT DIDN'T THE LANGUAGE SAY? ANY CITY EMPLOYEE? I MEAN, IT SAYS NO EMPLOYEE.
WELL, BUT IT IS THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT CODE OF CONDUCT.
BUT STILL, I BELIEVE THAT THE CODE OF CONDUCT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED INTO.
I DON'T KNOW HOW IT SHOULD BE CHANGED, BUT I BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD BE LOOKED INTO, AND THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
AND THAT THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE TAKEN, UH, IN THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE.
UH, LOOK, MAYBE LOOKING INTO THAT AND COMPARING IT WITH OTHER CITIES? WELL, YEAH, WE COULD, AS A POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE LOOK INTO IT AS WELL.
BUT I'M THINKING THAT THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO LOOK INTO IT.
SO, SO YOU'RE THINKING, UH, YOUR MOTION IS TO SEND A MEMO ASKING THE DPD TO RE-LOOK AT THAT POLICY? YEAH, I'M SEEING SOME UNREADINESS OVER IN THE CORNER THERE.
OH, I THINK SIERRA WANTS A, SHE,
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SHE WANTS, SHE, I THINK SHE'S AS A POLICY.I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE OFFICE.
WE CAN LOOK INTO THE RESEARCH ON BEST PRACTICES AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ALIGN WITH THE DEPARTMENT.
SO YOU THINK WE SHOULD LOOK INTO IT BEFORE WE ASK THE DPD TO LOOK INTO IT? ABSOLUTELY.
AT LEAST COME WITH SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PRESENT AS A POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION.
IF I MADE A MOTION, I WITHDRAW IT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING, UH, THE OFFICE OR THE THE POLICY COMMITTEE, THE OFFICE, THE OFFICE CAN, CAN, I THINK IT'S BETTER TO HAVE A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE THEM AS A STARTING POINT.
MR. FRIEDMAN, BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14.
I I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SPEND ANY MORE TIME ON THIS AT ALL,
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THIS IS WORTH IT.
I THINK THE THE POLICIES IN PLACE ARE FINE.
I WISH THAT THIS HAD NOT COME BEFORE US.
I WISH THIS WHOLE THING HAD NOT HAPPENED, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S STUPID.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THE POLICE OFFICER DID ANYTHING REALLY BAD.
HOWEVER, I DIDN'T WRITE THE POLICY.
IF OFFICER VIOLATED THE POLICY, WE ALL SAW THAT.
ALL I CAN DO IS, UM, GIVE YOU MY VOTE BASED ON WHAT THE POLICY IS, WHICH IS WHAT I DID.
NOW, WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT OFFICER? I DON'T KNOW.
I DIDN'T MAKE THE POLICY, I DIDN'T CHOOSE TO, TO USE PROFANE LANGUAGE IN FRONT OF A DALLAS RESIDENT.
UM, SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY OUR ISSUE.
UM, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S WORTH OUR TIME WITH ALL THE OTHER THINGS GOING ON FOR US TO SPEND ANY MORE OF IT ON THIS.
TIM, TIM JACKSON, DISTRICT SEVEN, IF I CAN WEIGH IN ON THAT TOO.
I, I, I ALSO DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO GO DEEP INTO THIS SIMPLY BECAUSE THE POLICY STATES THAT THEY CAN USE PROFANITY IN ARRESTABLE SITUATIONS.
I JUST THINK IN THIS SITUATION, UH, THE POLICY WAS OVERLOOKED INTERNALLY, UH, AND GRADED ONE WAY, BUT DISCIPLINED ANOTHER WAY.
SO ALL I WOULD ASK IS THAT DPD TAKE A LOOK AT THE MATTER AND BE CONSISTENT.
BUT AS FAR AS US DIVING INTO OUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND HOW WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS IT, I THINK THAT WOULD ALSO, I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S A WASTE OF TIME, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE A NEW POINT.
I THINK THAT, UM, THEY SHOULD JUST LOOK INTO IT.
I'M NOT, UH, SAYING THAT ANYBODY SHOULD BE DISCIPLINED, BUT I DO THINK IT IS.
I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH SAYING THAT, UH, THIS IS NOT OUR BAILIWICK, BECAUSE IT IS EVERY TIME A POLICE OFFICER GOES OUT INTO THE STREET AND ADDRESSES A CITIZEN, IT'S OUR BAILIWICK.
AND, UH, IF THEY'RE ALLOWED TO OR DISALLOWED TO, UH, USE PROFANITY IN ADDRESSING A CITIZEN, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IT.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT.
UM, AND I, I THINK, BUT I THINK THE POLICY SAYS THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
AND I THINK WE ALL AGREE THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT, BUT THEY DO.
I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T SAY THAT I AGREE WITH IT.
I JUST, UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, PROFANITY IS GONNA BE USED.
I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT IN THIS CASE, IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN USED BECAUSE THERE WAS NO NEED TO CURSE BACK AT SOMEONE.
IF SOMEONE'S KICKING IN A DOOR AND THEIR LIFE'S IN DANGER, I'M OKAY WITH THEM CURSING.
UM, I'M NOT OKAY WITH A POLICE OFFICER JUST CURSING AT SOMEBODY JUST TO BE CURSING AT 'EM.
'CAUSE THAT'S JUST TEXTBOOK UNPROFESSIONALISM.
BUT I ALSO DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO GO ANY DEEPER BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY A POLICY IN PLACE.
UM, AND JUST HANDLE THESE ON A CASE BY CASE LIKE WE DID TODAY AS A BODY.
SO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, I COULD MAYBE JUST A, A SUGGESTION.
HOW ABOUT WE JUST, UM, TABLE IT, TABLE IT, WE MAYBE LET THE OFFICE LOOK AT IT FOR A LITTLE BIT.
UH, COULD, COULD AND BUMP INTO THE POLICY COMMITTEE.
UH, WE, THE POLICY COMMITTEE LOOK AT IT.
UM, WE COULD ALSO ADD IT TO THE MEMO PRETTY EASILY TO SAY, HEY, WE'D LIKE FOR YOU TO RE-LOOK AT THIS POLICY, UH, THAT WE SEND, UM, WHEN WE SEND OUR RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE, UH, THE FINDINGS.
UH, BUT I DO BELIEVE, UH, I THINK THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ON THIS.
THIS IS A, I MEAN, THIS IS A, UM, IT'S NOT A REAL INTENSE ISSUE.
I THINK WE ALL KNOW, UH, FOUL LANGUAGE IS, IS USED.
BUT I THINK THE ISSUE IS, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN A CLEARLY A VIOLATION WAS CLEARLY VIOLATED, WHY, WHY WERE THEY EXONERATED? AND IS THERE A WAY TO, TO CREATE IT TO WHERE WE MORE CONSISTENT? UM, AND SO WE'LL HAVE THE OFFICE LOOK AT IT AND, UM, UH, WE ALL GOOD WITH THAT AS FAR AS MOVING ON ON THAT? YES.
I THINK WE DID, WE DID, WE DID GOOD TODAY.
ON, ON THESE INVESTIGATIONS, UH, WE'LL NOW MOVE TO, UH, ITEM C, WHICH IS MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORTS.
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UH, YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET, UM, ALL OF THE MONTHLY ARREST DATA, UH, THAT WE HAVE FOR YOU.UM, HERE, IF YOU COULD, UH, JUST LOOK THROUGH THAT RIGHT NOW.
I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE LOOKED THROUGH IT AHEAD OF TIME.
UM, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, UH, ADDRESSED THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED TO THE BOARD, WE WILL, UH, USE HIS TIME TO, TO ADDRESS IT.
IN ADDITION TO ITEM ONE, THERE'S ALSO, GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT ITEM TWO, WHICH IS DECEMBER 20, 25, EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINTS, REPORTS.
AND, AND, UH, BOTH OF THESE ARE, UM, ATTACHED, UH, TO, IN YOUR PACKET.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WELL, IF YOU, UH, HAVE ONE A LITTLE BIT LATER, WE CAN REACH OUT TO THE OFFICE DIRECTLY.
I KNOW THEY'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UH, REGARDING THIS DATA.
UH, SO IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, DON'T WORRY.
UH, YOU CAN JUST REACH OUT TO THEM VIA EMAIL OR PHONE CALL, AND THEY'LL BE HAPPY TO, UH, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, YOU AS BOARD MEMBERS MAY HAVE, UH, SEEING THERE'S NOTHING MORE TO TALK ABOUT HERE.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO ITEM D, WHICH IS THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT REPORT.
AND, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL, UH, TO THE STAND, OH, NOT TO THE STAND, TO THE TABLE, TO THE MICROPHONE, MS. UH, AMA PEREZ.
UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, MS. PEREZ.
AND, UH, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR THE, UH, THE GREAT THINGS GOING ON, UH, WITH, WITH THE, UH, OUTREACH COMMITTEE, BUT ALSO I KNOW YOU HAVE SOME, UH, UH, A REQUEST FOR FEEDBACK REGARDING, UM, A NEW DESIGNED FLYER FLOOR IS YOURS.
GOOD EVENING, ALMA PEREZ, SENIOR OUTREACH SPECIALIST.
UM, GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS AND COMMUNITY ATTENDEES.
I AM PLEASED TO PRESENT THE OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT REPORT FOR DECEMBER, 2025 ON BEHALF OF THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT.
TO RECAP THE MONTH OF DECEMBER, OCPO CONDUCTED, CONDUCTED EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY OUTREACH, CITYWIDE PARTICIPATING IN HOLIDAY FAMILY EVENTS, FAITH-BASED ENGAGEMENTS, WELLNESS INITIATIVES, AND SENIOR FOCUSED PROGRAMMING.
STAFF ATTENDED MULTIPLE EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE MONTH, INCLUDING TWO SENIOR CITIZEN HOLIDAY BRUNCHES, TABLING EVENTS, VOLUNTEER APPRECIATION GATHERINGS, AND NEIGHBORHOOD CELEBRATIONS, STRENGTHENING RELATIONSHIPS, AND INCREASING AWARENESS OF OCPO SERVICES AMONG THESE EFFORTS, A KEY HIGHLIGHT WAS OUR SENIOR COMMUNITY WELLNESS DAY ON DECEMBER SIX 16.
THIS SUCCESSFUL AND IMPACTFUL EVENT WAS MADE POSSIBLE BY STRONG INTERDEPARTMENTAL, ENABLING SENIORS TO ACCESS ESSENTIAL HEALTH SERVICES AND CITY RESOURCES IN A WELCOMING ENVIRONMENT.
NOTABLE OUTCOMES INCLUDED 38 FLU AND COVID-19 VACCINES ADMINISTERED BY DALLAS COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
25 KIDNEY SCREENINGS PROVIDED BY BAYLOR SCOTT AND WHITE RESOURCE SHARING BY DALLAS 3 1 1, AND SENIOR SERVICES OCPO STAFF INFORMED SENIORS ABOUT OCPO AND THE BOARD.
UM, AND OUR BOARD LOOKING AHEAD INTO JANUARY, 2026.
COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT CALENDAR IS INCLUDED IN YOUR BINDER ON MONDAY, JANUARY 19TH, OCPO STAFF AND CPOB MEMBERS ARE INVITED TO WALK IN THE MLK DAY PARADE IN SOUTH DALLAS.
WE ENCOURAGE ALL BOARD MEMBERS, UH, TO PARTICIPATE TO INCREASE COMMUNITY VISIBILITY AND TRUST.
IN ADDITION TO THESE ACTIVITIES, OCPO IS COMMITTED TO INFORMING THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD AND ITS FUNCTIONS.
WE HAVE DEVELOPED A-C-P-O-B INFORMATION FLYER, WHICH IS INCLUDED IN YOUR BINDER FOR REVIEW.
PLEASE PROVIDE YOUR FEEDBACK BEFORE WE FINALIZE AND DISTRIBUTE IT ACROSS OCPO PLATFORMS FURTHERING OUR ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS.
OCPO RECENTLY COLLABORATED WITH THE OFFICE OF DATA ANALYTICS AND BUSINESS INTELLIGENCE TO DEVELOP A COMMUNITY OUTREACH HEAT MAP.
THIS MAP VISUALLY REFLECTS OCPO ENGAGEMENT ACROSS THE CITY OF DALLAS', 14 COUNCIL DISTRICTS.
AN EXAMPLE OF THIS MAP IS INCLUDED IN THE 2025 CPOB ANNUAL REPORT UNDER THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH ENGAGEMENT AND INITIATIVE SECTION OF THE REPORT.
QUESTIONS? I I HAVE A QUESTION.
IS THAT OKAY? UM, SO FOR THE PARADE ON MONDAY, IS THERE A PARTICULAR PLACE THAT PEOPLE SHOULD MEET UP AT?
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IS THERE, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE SHIRTS.UM, SHOULD WE WEAR BLUE? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS? UM, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
SO KIMONA DID GO TO THE LOGISTICS PLANNING MEETING.
UH, IT JUST HAPPENED AT 6:30 PM SO I WILL CATCH UP WITH HER AND SEE WHAT INFORMATION SHE, UM, GOT FROM THAT MEETING.
AND THEN I CAN SHARE IT WITH, UM, YOU, I GOT FEEDBACK FROM JENNY, UH, JUDGE LANDER AND MR. PEGRAM AS FAR AS WALKING WITH US IN THE PARADE.
SO IF ANYBODY ELSE IS INTERESTED, PLEASE REACH OUT.
PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU LET US KNOW WHERE TO START WITH YOU.
SO THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A MIX UP WITH OUR PACKET, BUT THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE NOW, UM, IS THAT WE WILL MEET AT FAIR PARK.
WE WILL PARK IN ANY PARK PARKING LOTS, 8, 9, 10, OR 11.
AND THE SHUTTLES WILL TAKE US TO THE DESIGNATED AREA, AND WE WILL ESSENTIALLY LINE UP IN THE ORDER IN WHICH OUR DEPARTMENT IS, UM, THE MAPLES FOUNDATION IS SICK NUMBER 60, AND OCPO IS 61.
SO ESSENTIALLY WE WILL LINE UP IN THAT ORDER AND THEN WE WILL PROCEED FROM THERE.
UM, AS FAR AS LIKE WHAT WE'RE WEARING AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN A SPECIFIC TIME.
WE'LL GET THOSE THAT TIME WHEN WE GET THE LOGISTICS EMAILED TO ALMA.
BUT FOR NOW, FAIR PARK PARKING LOT'S, 8, 9, 10, OR 11.
AND WE WILL SHUTTLE TO THE PARKING SPOT.
AND THIS BRINGS UP A DIFFERENT QUESTION.
UM, FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING OUT, OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO HAVE A BASIC T-SHIRT THAT EVERYONE ON THE BOARD COULD WEAR.
WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A FANCY POLO, BUT SOMETHING THAT SAYS COPB, UM, MEMBER, UM, THAT IT'S GENERIC AND CAN CROSS TIME.
I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE MY NAME ON IT.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT CAN'T HAPPEN FOR MONDAY, BUT THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE.
I THINK JONATHAN'S MENTIONED IT AND OTHERS HAVE, SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
OKAY, WE'LL KEEP THAT IN MIND.
I DO HAVE TO HAVE A FANCY T-SHIRT.
UH, SO, UM, YES, A BLACK POLO FOR EVERYBODY WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA, SIR.
'CAUSE EVERYBODY, I'M, I'M, EXCUSE ME, I'M A RALPH LAUREN TYPE OF GUY.
DO YOU HAVE A SEAT FOR ME? I DO HAVE A SEAT FOR YOU.
THIS IS GOING TO BE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PARADE ROUTE, WHICH IS LONG, UM, BUNDLED UP.
IT'S GONNA BE COLD AND, UH, YEAH, IT, IT SHOULD BE A GOOD TIME.
UM, SINCE, AND THIS IS JUST A LOGISTICAL THING, SINCE THE BOARD WON'T HAVE A VEHICLE, DO YOU HAVE A WAGON? SO I FOUND OUT TODAY THAT IT'S TOO LATE TO ADD ANY TYPE OF VEHICLES TO THE PARADE.
SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO JOIN AT THIS POINT, THEY WILL BE WALKING.
THERE IS NO OPTION TO ADD ANY TYPE OF VEHICLE CAR WAGON.
WHAT HAPPENED? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
THE, THE REASON I'M ASKING THAT IS BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE GIVING AWAY SWAG, YOU CAN'T CARRY ALL THAT SWAG.
YOU GOTTA HAVE SOMEWHERE TO PUT THE SWAG.
SO YOU GOTTA BE DRAGGING A WAGON.
OH, LIKE THAT KIND OF WAGON? YEAH.
I, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE OF THAT BECAUSE I'M MY, I'M GONNA HAVE MY VEHICLE IN THE PARADE.
I I DRIVE MY TRUCK IN THE PARADE, OR SOMEBODY MAY DRIVE THE TRUCK.
SO YOU CAN PUT YOUR, YOU CAN PUT THE SWAG IN THE BACK OF MY TRUCK, BUT JUST KNOW I'LL BE THERE 5:00 AM SO YOU GOTTA BE CALLING ME.
I KNOW Y'ALL WILL STILL BE ASLEEP, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M AN EARLY TYPE OF GUY.
'CAUSE ONE THING ABOUT THE MLK PARADE, AND I JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE, IT'S GONNA BE A CLUSTER, CLUSTER OF PEOPLE.
AND I'M, I, I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANT TO BREAK ANY RULES, SO I'M NOT GONNA SAY THE OTHER WORD, BUT YEAH, JUST, JUST BE PREPARED.
SO I'LL SEE YOU GUYS ON, IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO THE GALA, I WILL SEE YOU GUYS ON, ON MONDAY.
ANY MORE? UH, MS. PEREZ FROM YOU, ANY QUESTIONS ADDRESSED TO, UH, MS. PEREZ OR ANY OF THE O-P-O-C-P-O STAFF? AND WE'RE LOOK TO THE POLO.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA BE RALPH LAUREN GIVEN NO BUDGET.
YOU JUST, YOU JUST TELL ME WHO CAN PUT THE LOGO ON
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PAY FOR IT, BUT IT, WE NEED ONE.I MAY BE IN A GOLF TOURNAMENT AND YEAH.
WE HAVE ARRIVED AT THE FINAL, UM, AGENDA ITEM, UH, FOR THIS MEETING, WHICH IS PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, I GUESS YOU, YOU ALREADY SPEAK, DIDN'T? YEAH, YOU LET US SPEAK TWICE.
I MEAN, HEY, I, I'M OKAY WITH IT IF YOU GUYS ARE OKAY.
THREE MINUTES? YEAH, I'M FINE.
HEY, YOU, YOU SAT THROUGH THIS WHOLE THING.
WE CAN AT LEAST GIVE YOU THREE MINUTES.
MAKE SURE YOUR MIC'S TURNED ON TOO, MAN.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AGAIN.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THROUGHOUT THIS MEETING THAT HAVE SOME CONCERNS AS WELL.
SO I'M NOT GONNA SAY I'M SPEAKING FOR AN ORGANIZATION, BUT JUST THAT THERE'S, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WATCHING, YOU KNOW, THE WORK, THE WORK THAT Y'ALL DO.
UM, AND Y'ALL HAVE BEEN DOING SOME GOOD WORK THIS MEETING.
UM, SOME OF THE RESPONSES TO POLICE CHIEF CUOMO ARE DEFINITELY APPRECIATED.
UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ADD SOME POINTS, UM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WHAT POLICE CHIEF CUOMO, HOW HE RESPONDED TO Y'S REQUEST, UM, WAS UN ACCEPTABLE.
AND IT FELT VERY OBTUSE AND LIKE A DEFLECTION OF, UM, INSTEAD OF REALLY COMMENTING ON ALL THE ISSUES THAT, UH, THE PUBLIC HAVE BEEN HERE THE LAST COUPLE MEETINGS TRYING TO, UH, BRING UP.
SO HE, AS YOU POINTED OUT, HE ACTED LIKE THESE ARE UNPRECEDENTED TIMES WHERE FEDERAL AGENTS ARE NOT KIDNAPPING PEOPLE WITHOUT DUE PROCESS AND COMMITTING CIVIL RIGHTS OFFENSES, UM, OFF ON CAMERA, LET ALONE ALL THE TIMES THEY'RE DOING THOSE THINGS OFF CAMERA.
UM, TO THE CHAIRPERSON'S QUESTIONS ABOUT INVESTIGATIONS BEING ABLE TO BE REPORTED, UH, LIKE PAST INVESTIGATIONS.
HE SAID, AT THIS TIME, THIS IS NOT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH NO OTHER EXPLANATION.
HE DIDN'T DISCUSS THE ABILITY TO REDACT NAMES WHILE REPORTING DETAILS.
UM, THAT COULD BE A WAY TO REPORT WHILE KEEPING OFFICERS SAFE.
UM, HE DIDN'T DISCUSS, IF SOMEONE CALLS 9 1 1 SAYING MASS MEN ARE HARASSING THEM, UH, I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TRAINING STANDARDS ARE FOR OFFICERS WORKING WITH ICE.
IT DIDN'T SOUND LIKE THERE WERE ANY, UM, I'D ASK POLICE OFFICERS HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT WORKING FOR FEDERAL AGENTS WITH A FRACTION OF THE TRAINING THAT THEY DO.
UM, I'D LIKE TO ECHO, UH, MR. MAPLE'S POINT ABOUT, UM, PEOPLE NOT GOING TO WORK IN SCHOOL AND, UM, SAY, YOU KNOW, ALSO ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HURTING THE LOCAL ECONOMY FOR EVERYBODY.
UM, I'D ADD THAT OTHER POLICE CHIEFS, LIKE IN PHILLY AND THE TWIN CITIES ARE DOING MORE TO FIGHT BACK AGAINST ICE.
UM, AND ALSO THAT JUST ASK WHERE THE HUMANITY IS.
UH, I CAN'T DISCLOSE THE NATURE OF MY ORGANIZING, UM, BUT I'VE SEEN FAMILIES RIPPED APART BY ICE.
UM, ARE THERE FAMILY MEMBERS, CRIMINALS? WHO KNOWS? THERE'S NO DUE PROCESS.
UH, AS BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS SAID, WE HAVE THE POWER TO PUSH THIS FORWARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
THIS DECISION DOESN'T STOP WITH THE POLICE CHIEF.
UM, I STRONGLY AGREE WITH THAT.
UM, SO MY ASK AGAIN IS MONTHLY REPORTING ON ALL DPD INTERACTIONS WITH ICE.
AND ALSO, UM, ONE FINAL POINT.
IF DPD ASSISTS AN ICE INVESTIGATION AND THEN IT TURNS OUT LATER THAT THAT'S CRIMINAL AFTER THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, THERE ARE PROSECUTIONS, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE POLICE OFFICER THAT ASSISTED? UM, AND MY REAL ASK IS JUST TO CONSIDER THE HUMANITY OF EVERY BEING, ONE BEING TERRORIZED BY ICE, WHETHER THEY LOOK LIKE YOU OR NOT.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR NAME, MAN? JOHN.
ARE THERE ANY MORE, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT WHILE YOU'RE ONLINE? NO, WE'RE CLEAR.
ANYBODY HERE LOOKS LIKE, UH, NO ONE ELSE, UH, HAS REQUESTED PUBLIC COMMENTS, SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING.
MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST ONE THING ON THAT.
ARE WE GONNA, WE, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THIS TOPIC ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT MONTH.
AND I THINK IT SHOULD JUST BE A, A RUNNING TOPIC BECAUSE FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, THIS IS GONNA BE AN ISSUE AND I DON'T EVER WANNA GET CAUGHT WHERE WE HAVE SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT AND IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.
AND, AND HE AND JOHN BROUGHT UP, UM, A GREAT POINT.
WE NEED TO REALLY BRAINSTORM THIS BECAUSE THERE ARE WAYS THAT REPORTS CAN COME OUT, WHETHER IT IS REDACTION OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF WAY, BECAUSE PEOPLE
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HAVE GONE FROM FEAR TO SCARED TO TERRIFIED NOW, AND WE KNOW THE REASON WHY.WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR SHOULD THE NEXT I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO SAY THAT FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL MEETINGS.
AND HE BROUGHT UP SOMETHING ELSE THAT I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO GO HOME.
UH, HE BROUGHT UP SOMETHING ELSE THAT REALLY IS IMPORTANT, AND THAT IS THAT WHEN THIS IS ALL OVER AND WHEN THIS MAN IS NO LONGER IN THE WHITE HOUSE, AND THERE ARE, UM, CHARGES BROUGHT AGAINST PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE THE THINGS THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE DONE, ARE THOSE CHARGES GONNA BE BROUGHT AGAINST MEMBERS OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT? AND IF SO, HOW ARE THEY GONNA ADDRESS THEM? THAT'S A VALID QUESTION, JUDGE.
UM, DID I HEAR A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING? MOTION TO ADJOURN.
TIM JACKSON, DISTRICT SEVEN MOTION BEEN MADE BY TIM JACKSON, DISTRICT SEVEN.
BALL FRIEDMAN BY BRANDON FRIEDMAN.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION? DOESN'T SEEM, DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE IS.
SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, VOTE ON IT.