[00:00:02] ALRIGHT. GOOD MORNING. WE HAVE A QUORUM. TODAY'S WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 4TH, 2026 TIMES 9:27 A.M.. AND I NOW CALL THIS MEETING OF THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER. OUR INVOCATION, SPEAKER THIS MORNING IS MINISTER JC HAMILTON, [Invocation and Pledge of Allegiance Special Presentations Open Microphone Speakers] WHO IS THE SENIOR MINISTER AT THE COMMUNITY CHURCH OF CHRIST. SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO BROTHER HAMILTON NOW FOR INVOCATION. AFTER THAT, WE'LL HAVE OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES FLAG AND THE TEXAS FLAG. LET US PRAY. GOD, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY. WE THANK YOU FOR LIFE AND HEALTH AND STRENGTH AND ALL THINGS BEAUTIFUL. WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE GOD ALONE AND BESIDE YOU THERE IS NO OTHER. BLESS OUR MAYOR, OUR CITY COUNCIL. BLESS THEM IN THIS CHAMBER AND IN THEIR PERSONAL CHAMBERS. CONTINUE TO GIVE THEM WISDOM, COURAGE. UNDERSTANDING. COMPASSION. EMPATHY. BLESS OUR CITY. FOR WITHOUT YOU OUR CITY WOULD FAIL. OUR COUNCIL WOULD FAIL. SO WE NEED YOU, GOD, TO KEEP US ALL IN YOUR HAND. IN THE NAME OF JESUS WE ASK THESE THINGS. AMEN. IF EVERYONE WHO CAN WOULD PLEASE RISE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVERYONE. YOU MAY BE SEATED. OKAY. BEFORE WE GET TO OUR OFFICIAL BUSINESS THIS MORNING, WE HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT, I BELIEVE, FROM OUR CITY MANAGER. SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO KIMBERLY TOLBERT. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. AND THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. BEFORE WE BEGIN TODAY'S BRIEFING, I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO RECOGNIZE THE MANY CITY DEPARTMENTS, DIFFERENT TEAMS, AND ALL OF OUR EXTERNAL PARTNERS WHO CAME TOGETHER DURING THE RECENT WINTER WEATHER EVENT. THESE MOMENTS REMIND US THAT A STRONG RESPONSE DOES NOT HAPPEN BY CHANCE. IT IS THE RESULT OF PREPARATION, COORDINATION AND THE DEDICATION OF MANY INDIVIDUALS ACROSS OUR ORGANIZATION AND THIS ENTIRE CITY WHO STEP UP WHEN OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS THEM THE MOST. AT FAIR PARK, THE INCLEMENT WEATHER SHELTER SERVED 1792 UNIQUE INDIVIDUALS SUPPORTING MORE THAN 1100 GUESTS OVERNIGHT AT PEAK, AND REMAINED OPEN FOR ADDITIONAL DAYS AFTER MANY CITY OPERATIONS RETURNED TO NORMAL DUE TO THE ONGOING COLD WEATHER THAT IS LIFE SAFETY WORK AT SCALE. FROM DALLAS FIRE RESCUE TO DALLAS STREET RESPONSE TEAMS, THEY TRANSPORTED AND ASSISTED MORE THAN 230 INDIVIDUALS INTO SHELTER OPERATIONS. WHILE OUR CRISIS INTERVENTION AND OUR RIGHT CARE TEAMS WORKED THROUGH 244 WELFARE CHECKS TO ENSURE THAT OUR VULNERABLE RESIDENTS WERE CONTACTED AND THEY WERE SUPPORTED. ON THE TRANSPORTATION SIDE, OUR TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC WORKS TEAM TREATED AND MAINTAINED APPROXIMATELY 4300 LANE MILES ACROSS THE CITY, WITH CONTINUOUS BRIDGE AND OVERPASS OPERATIONS TO KEEP THE ROAD NETWORK FUNCTIONING AS SAFELY AS POSSIBLE. THROUGH OUR DALLAS 311 TEAM, THEY HANDLED MORE THAN 5500 PHONE CALLS AND RECEIVED 2150 SERVICE REQUESTS DURING THIS WEATHER EVENT. THIS RESPONSE WAS POWERED BY CREWS IN THE FIELD FROM ROAD TREATMENT TEAMS WORKING OVERNIGHT SHIFTS TO OUR POLICE, OUR FIRE RESCUE PERSONNEL RESPONDING TO CALLS AND EMERGENCY. OUR SHELTER STAFF TEAM CARING FOR RESIDENTS THROUGH THE COLDEST NIGHTS. OUR DISPATCHERS, OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT STAFF ADDRESSING THE IMPACTS AND ENSURING THAT OUR NONPROFIT PARTNERS WERE THERE BESIDE US TO DELIVER LIFE SAVING CARE TO THE AUSTIN STREET CENTER, TO OUR CALLING AND EVERYONE WHO CAME TOGETHER AND SHOWED UP WHEN IT MATTERED THE MOST. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PROFESSIONALISM. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COLLABORATION AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO SERVING THE RESIDENTS OF OUR CITY. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN WE WORK TOGETHER. TODAY WE'RE JOINED, AS YOU CAN SEE, BY MEMBERS OF MANY OF THE DIFFERENT TEAMS WHO WORKED TOGETHER DURING THIS TIME. AND WE ALSO ARE JOINED, I SEE DANIEL ROBY FROM AUSTIN STREET AND WAYNE WALKER FROM OUR CALLING. MR. MAYOR, WE ARE VERY HONORED TO HAVE THIS TEAM WITH US THIS MORNING. OUR HATS GO OFF TO YOU AND WE SALUTE YOU ALL FOR A JOB WELL DONE. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. [00:05:11] MR. MAYOR, WE KNOW THE GROUP IS BIG, BUT WE WANT TO TRY TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THEM TO SQUEEZE IN AND GET A PHOTO WITH THE COUNCIL SOME WAY, SOMEHOW. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE, EVERYONE. AND WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE INCREDIBLE WORK YOU GUYS DID. I KNOW THAT THE NATIONAL MEDIA WAS DEFINITELY INTERESTED IN SEEING, YOU KNOW, HOW THINGS WERE GOING TO PLAY OUT HERE IN DALLAS. AND FORTUNATELY FOR US, BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A FANTASTIC TEAM AND SUCH GREAT PARTNERS, THERE WAS NOTHING TO REPORT ON. SO THAT'S ALWAYS GREAT. SO THANK YOU GUYS. ALRIGHT MEMBERS, I'M TOLD THAT THAT'S ALL OF OUR ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR THIS MORNING. SO WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO OUR OPEN MICROPHONE SPEAKERS. MADAM SECRETARY, GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, AND GOOD MORNING, THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW HEAR ITS FIRST FIVE REGISTERED SPEAKERS. I WILL I WILL RECITE THE SPEAKER GUIDELINES. SPEAKERS MUST OBSERVE THE SAME RULES OF PROPRIETY, DECORUM AND GOOD CONDUCT APPLICABLE TO MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. ANY SPEAKER MAKING PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, PROFANE OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS, OR WHO BECOMES BOISTEROUS WHILE ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL, WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE ROOM. FOR ALL THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE IN PERSON. INDIVIDUALS, YOU'LL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. YOU'LL NOTICE THE TIME ON THE MONITOR AT THE PODIUM WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP, PLEASE STOP. ALSO, SPEAKERS, PLEASE BE MINDFUL THAT DURING YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REFER TO A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER BY NAME AND ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO MAYOR JOHNSON. ONLY YOUR FIRST SPEAKER, ROBERT CECCARELLI. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO GET SOMETHING STRAIGHT. LISTEN UP PEOPLE, PLEASE. BECAUSE YOU WALKED OUT ON ME BEFORE. DON'T DISRESPECT ME AGAIN, OKAY? CAN YOU DO THAT, PLEASE? PLEASE. CARA, PLEASE. WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU TODAY IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED DURING THIS LAST TEN DAYS SHOULD BE A WAKE UP CALL OF THE HOMELESS. YOU HAD SOME VERY GOOD NEWS, BUT YOU HAVE 1700 PEOPLE BEING HOMELESS. THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. NOW, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY TO YOU IS WHEN I GO TO THESE MEETINGS, NOT ONE HOMELESS PERSON IS EVER AT THESE MEETINGS. LISTEN UP, PEOPLE. I'M VERY SERIOUS ABOUT THIS. YOU NEED TO COME OUT AND INVITE THE CITY COUNCIL. WHERE TO PULL THIS? INVITE THE HOMELESS. BUT YOU NEVER DO IT. OKAY. ALSO, ANOTHER ISSUE IS THE 1% BOND MONEY. MR. MORENO. I WANT YOU TO TELL. WHEN I SPOKE IN FRONT OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS, THEY LIKED WHAT I HAD TO SAY. THEY LIKE HAVING ME SAY. MATTER OF FACT, THEY WANTED ME TO BE ON THE HOMELESS SOLUTIONS AND HOUSING COMMITTEE. REMEMBER THAT, MR. JOHNSON. CAN YOU HAVE MR. MORENO MR.? CAN YOU HAVE MR.. MORENO BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. I MISS ALSO WITH MR. CHAD WEST. I DON'T SEE HIM HERE TODAY. SAME THING WITH CHAD WEST. I SPOKE IN FRONT OF THEIR CONSTITUENTS AND THEY LIKED WHAT I HAD TO SAY. OKAY. NOW WE'RE GOING TO STAY QUIET. THAT MEANS I'M TELLING THE TRUTH. I'M GETTING TIRED OF PEOPLE STAYING QUIET. OKAY? YOU HAVE A BIG, BIG PROBLEM HERE WITH 1700 HOMELESS AND YOU. AND IT'S NOT GOOD. YOU'RE CELEBRATING. IT'S CELEBRATING WHAT? YOU GOT A SERIOUS HOMELESS PROBLEM. VERY SERIOUS. YOU DIDN'T SAY THAT AT ALL. BUT RIGHT NOW, THE 1% OF THE BOND MONEY IS THE WORST OF THE WORST. THE HOMELESS IS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM, BUT THEY DON'T GET NO MONEY. WHY IS THAT? EVERYONE IS AT FAULT HERE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE BUDGET, 1% AND MR. WALKER SAYS THAT WE HAVE A SCHEME. NO MONEY INVOLVED. WHEN I SAW WAYNE WALKER'S NEWSPAPER ARTICLE, HIM AND OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TO SPEAK UP ABOUT THIS PROBLEM. MR. MORENO, I WISH YOU WOULD TELL MR. JOHNSON THAT WAS OKAY. I'M SORRY. I'M NOT GOING TO HOLD AGAINST YOUR TIME, BUT I NEED YOU TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO ME. [00:10:03] OKAY? OKAY. OKAY. BY NAME. I KNOW THE RULES, MR. JOHNSON. OKAY. SEE IF YOU WOULD GO OUT THERE WITH A WADING POOL IS. AND GET THE HOMELESS INVOLVED. THEY CAN SPEAK UP, AND THE PEOPLE WOULD UNDERSTAND HOW BIG THE PROBLEM IS. BUT IF YOU KEEP YOUR MOUTH QUIET, NO ONE KNOWS ANY PROBLEMS. AND THAT SHOWS THAT YOU DON'T CARE. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU GIVE OUT $10 MILLION. NOT BECAUSE OF THE HOMELESS. BECAUSE OF THE SOCCER. YOU NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE. YOU WANT TO CLEAN IT UP TO GET THE MONEY. THEN AFTER THE SOCCER CAN BE COMPLETELY HOMELESS AGAIN. DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M COMING FROM? OKAY. BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM. YOU SHOULD WAKE UP NOW. WAKE UP. THIS IS A BIG PROBLEM. WHICH. WHY? WHY YOU'RE CELEBRATING IS A WASHOUT. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. JEFFREY HELFRICH. GOOD MORNING. THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL TODAY. MY NAME IS JEFF HELFRICH, 4432 HOCKADAY DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS. AND HERE WE ARE AGAIN. THE CITY OF DALLAS DID ANOTHER SURVEY ON THE ALLEYS, AND 93% OF RESPONDENTS SAID NO TO GETTING RID OF ALLEY TRASH. WHEN'S THE LAST TIME 93% OF ANYONE IN THIS COUNTRY AGREED ON ANYTHING? THE CITY'S GOING TO CLAIM THAT THE SURVEY ISN'T STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT DUE TO SELECTION BIAS, WHERE ONLY THOSE WHO CARE RESPONDED. BUT IF THAT'S THE CASE, IT'S BECAUSE THE CITY DESIGNED THE SURVEY IN A WAY THAT WASN'T SET UP TO BE STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT. A 23% RESPONSE RATE IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THE 8% OF ELIGIBLE VOTERS WHO VOTED IN THE LAST ELECTION. THERE WERE MANY MORE RESPONSES TO THIS SURVEY THAN ANY CITY COUNCIL MEMBER GOT VOTES IN THE LAST ELECTION, SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE AROUND THE HORSESHOE TO PAY ATTENTION TO THIS ISSUE. THE THING I'M MOST FRUSTRATED WITH IS THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT CONTINUES TO PUSH THE SAME OLD PLAN OF CUT, CUT, CUT ALLEY SERVICE. THEY'VE ALREADY CUT ALLEY SERVICE FROM 100,000 PEOPLE TO 94,000 PEOPLE, WITHOUT ANY APPROVAL FROM THIS COUNCIL. IT'S CLEAR THAT THEIR PLAN IS TO CUT SERVICE 1000 PEOPLE AT A TIME, UNTIL THERE'S A SMALL ENOUGH RESISTANCE THAT THEY CAN GET RID OF IT ENTIRELY. AND THAT IS NOT WHAT THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS WANT. THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN. THIS IS A SERVICE THEY WANT TO KEEP, AND THE MAJORITY SAY THEY'RE EVEN WILLING TO PAY MORE FOR IT. SO WHY ISN'T THE CITY'S TOP PRIORITY FIGURING OUT A WAY TO PRESERVE THE SERVICE WHILE ADDRESSING THE SAFETY AND LIABILITY CONCERNS CONCERNS THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT HAS? THE OBVIOUS ANSWER HERE FOR THOSE CONCERNS IS OUTSOURCING. LIKE THE MAJORITY OF CITIES IN NORTH TEXAS ALREADY DO. SOMEBODY ELSE HAS THE LIABILITY THEN. YET THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT HAS BROUGHT YOU NO DATA OR RESEARCH ABOUT THAT POSSIBILITY AT ALL. WHAT HAVE THEY BEEN DOING ALL THESE MONTHS? ARE YOU SICK OF THE INEFFICIENCY? I AM. YOU'VE STOPPED THIS CHANGE OF SERVICE MANY TIMES BEFORE, BECAUSE PEOPLE ALWAYS CALL YOU AND TELL YOU THEY HATE THIS CHANGE. I URGE YOU TO LISTEN TO THEM AND STOP THE CHANGE ONCE AND FOR ALL. AND CHARGE THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT WITH FINDING THE SAFEST AND MOST COST EFFECTIVE WAY TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE PEOPLE HAVE CLEARLY TOLD YOU THEY WANT. IF YOU CONTINUE TO NOT HEAR US, WE'LL HAVE LITTLE CHOICE BUT TO PURSUE ANOTHER CHARTER AMENDMENT AT THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY. AND MANAGING BASIC CITY SERVICES THROUGH CHARTER AMENDMENTS IS INEFFICIENT AND SOMETHING NOBODY WANTS. IT'S A LAST RESORT WHEN CITY HALL DOESN'T HEAR THE FEEDBACK OF THE CITIZENS. THEY JUST WANT THE SAME OLD ALLEY SERVICE THEY'VE HAD FOR DECADES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. JAMES. COLETTE. GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYOR JOHNSON. MY NAME IS JIM COLETTE, AND I AM HERE AGAIN WITH MANY DALLAS RESIDENTS WHO CONTINUE TO OPPOSE THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT'S PROPOSED ALLEY TO CURB TRASH COLLECTION PLAN. THE ISSUES WITH THIS PROPOSAL ARE WELL KNOWN AND I DON'T INTEND TO REPEAT THEM HERE. SINCE LAST JULY, OUR GROUP HAS SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS WORKING PROFESSIONALLY AND PATIENTLY WITH CITY STAFF TO DEVELOP WORKABLE SOLUTIONS TO A PLAN THAT VIRTUALLY NO ONE WANTS. LAST SUMMER, WE STARTED A PETITION THAT NOW HAS MORE THAN 12,000 SIGNATURES. OPPOSING THIS CHANGE, CITY STAFF QUESTIONED WHETHER THAT PETITION REFLECTED THE TRUE VIEWS OF DALLAS RESIDENTS, SO THEY CONDUCTED THEIR OWN SURVEY AT ADDITIONAL TAXPAYER EXPENSE. [00:15:04] AS YOU SAW IN THE PRESENTATION FOR TODAY'S MEETING, SINCE MID-NOVEMBER, THE CITY CONTACTED 44,000 RESIDENTS AND RECEIVED OVER 10,000 RESPONSES. NOT SURPRISINGLY, AN OVERWHELMING 93% SAID THEY DO NOT WANT TO LOSE ALLEY SERVICE. YET DESPITE HEARING FROM YOUR CONSTITUENTS AGAIN, STAFF IS STILL RECOMMENDING A PATH THAT CONVERTS LARGE NUMBERS OF RESIDENTS TO STREET ONLY SERVICE. WHY ARE YOU NOT LISTENING TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS? WHY CONTINUE PUSHING SOLUTIONS NO ONE WANTS? WHY KEEP OFFERING MORE POLITICAL SPEAK AND FANCY POWERPOINT PRESENTATIONS WHILE IGNORING VIABLE OPTIONS THAT COULD MEET THE NEEDS OF THE TAXPAYING PUBLIC? YOUR OWN PRESENTATION SHOWS THAT OTHER CITIES MANAGE TO PROVIDE SANITATION SERVICES AT RATES ALL LOWER THAN DALLAS. WHY CAN THEY DO IT? AND WE CAN'T. BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT LISTENING. YOU'RE NOT TRYING. AND THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE ARE EITHER UNWILLING OR UNABLE TO FIX THE PROBLEMS. AND AS A RESULT, THE CITY KEEPS CHOOSING THE EASY SOLUTION INSTEAD OF THE RIGHT ONE. WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE PROBLEMS ARE REAL. ALLEYS NEED MAINTENANCE. INJURIES MUST BE REDUCED. SERVICE LEVELS SHOULD BE CONSISTENT AND REASONABLY PRICED. DALLAS SANITATION WORKERS DO AN EXTREMELY ADMIRABLE JOB AND DESERVE CREDIT FOR THEIR DAILY EFFORTS. BUT THE LEADERSHIP OF THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT GUIDING IT IS BROKEN. FOR EIGHT MONTHS, WE HAVE TRIED TO WORK WITH STAFF TO DEVELOP SOLUTIONS AND WE'VE MADE EXACTLY ZERO PROGRESS. THESE PROPOSED CHANGES CARRY SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL CONSEQUENCES FOR DALLAS RESIDENTS. THE DECISION IS SIMPLY TOO IMPORTANT TO LEAVE TO ONE DEPARTMENT. THE CITY COUNCIL, NOT A SINGLE ADMINISTRATOR, SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO APPROVE ANY MAJOR CHANGE TO A CORE CITY SERVICE THAT RESIDENTS RELY ON EVERY DAY. EVERY CITY EMPLOYEE SIGNATURE READS SERVICE FIRST, NOW COLLECT, COLLABORATE AND COMMUNICATE. AND ON THIS ISSUE, YOU HAVE FAILED ON EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE COMMITMENTS AND YOUR TAXPAYING CONSTITUENTS SEE IT. YOU CAN DO BETTER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BRADLEY. BRADLEY. WILLIAMS. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS BRADLEY WILLIAMS. I LIVE IN MIDWAY HOLLOW, DISTRICT 13. I'M HERE AGAIN TO TALK ABOUT TRASH WITH A VERY SIMPLE REQUEST. PLEASE DIRECT THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT TO STOP FORCING A TRANSITION AWAY FROM ALLEY SERVICE. THE RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN CLEAR REPEATEDLY. FIRST, YOU WERE PRESENTED WITH A PETITION SIGNED BY MORE THAN 12,000 RESIDENTS OPPOSING THIS TRANSITION. SECOND, IN A PRIOR CITY SURVEY, 67% OF RESIDENTS OPPOSED MOVING AWAY FROM ALLEY SERVICE. NOW, IN THE MOST RECENT SURVEY, 93% OF RESPONDENTS OPPOSED THE TRANSITION, 60% ARE EVEN WILLING TO PAY MORE TO KEEP THEIR ALLEY SERVICE. THIS IS FROM 10,000 HOUSEHOLDS RESPONDING TO A SURVEY FROM ROUGHLY 40,000 IN TOTAL. THIS IS A VERY STRONG RESPONSE RATE FOR VOLUNTARY MUNICIPAL SURVEY, AS YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE PRIOR SPEAKERS. DESPITE THIS, YOU ARE ABOUT TO HEAR THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT CHARACTERIZE THAT PARTICIPATION AS LOW AND SUGGEST THAT NON-RESPONSE SOMEHOW IMPLIES RESIDENT PREFERENCE. THAT IS NOT HOW SURVEY DATA WORKS, AND IT SHOULD NOT BE USED TO OVERRIDE CLEAR, CONSISTENT RESULTS. AT THIS POINT, RESIDENT PREFERENCE IS NOT IN QUESTION. IT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED MULTIPLE TIMES. WHAT IS IN QUESTION IS THE DEPARTMENT'S APPROACH. THE DEPARTMENT CONTINUES TO ASSERT THAT ALI'S SERVICE IS UNSAFE YET HAS PROVIDED NO SUPPORTING DATA, NO INJURY RATES, NO COMPARISON TO CURBSIDE COLLECTION, NO TREND ANALYSIS AND NO INDEPENDENT SAFETY REVIEW. AND DESPITE MONTHS OF TIME SPENT ON SURVEYS AND OUTREACH, THE CITY NEVER SOUGHT OUTSOURCED BIDS TO EVALUATE WHETHER ALI'S SERVICE COULD BE DELIVERED MORE SAFELY AND AT A LOWER COST. THAT IS A LOGICAL PATH FORWARD. IF SAFETY IS A CONCERN, OUTSOURCE IT. IF STAFFING AND EQUIPMENT ARE THE ISSUE, OUTSOURCE IT IF COST IS THE PROBLEM, OUTSOURCE IT. PRIVATE OPERATORS ACROSS THE DFW METROPLEX HAVE ALREADY PROVIDED ALREADY DO PROVIDE COLLECTION SERVICES IN ALLEYS OF SIMILAR WIDTH AND CONDITION, AND THEY DO SO SAFELY, AND THEY DO SO EFFICIENTLY. AND IN MANY CASES DELIVER BETTER SERVICE AT A LOWER COST THAN THE CITY HAS DEMONSTRATED. INSTEAD OF TESTING THAT OPTION, THE DEPARTMENT CONTINUES TO PUSH A PREDETERMINED OUTCOME THAT RESIDENTS HAVE CONSISTENTLY REJECTED OVER AND OVER AGAIN. SO OUR REQUEST IS STRAIGHTFORWARD STOPPED FORCED TRANSITIONS, ISSUE OUTSOURCED BIDS FOR ALLEY COLLECTION, AND CONTINUE OUR ALLEY SERVICE. THIS ALIGNS WITH OPTION FOUR THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IN THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT'S PRESENTATION TODAY. [00:20:05] ANY OTHER OPTION THAT CONTINUES FORCED TRANSITIONS IS UNACCEPTABLE. PLEASE, PLEASE LISTEN TO YOUR RESIDENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SALLY BRADEN. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS SALLY BRADEN AND MY HUSBAND AND I LIVE AT 4680 COLLEGE PARK DRIVE IN HOCKADAY SQUARE AND HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 36 YEARS. WE ARE IN DISTRICT 13. OUR HOUSE AND YARD WERE DESIGNED AND BUILT, ASSUMING ALLEY TRASH PICKUP. THE MAJORITY OF OUR HOUSES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WERE. WE HAVE NO CIRCULAR DRIVE, NO PAVED PATH FROM THE BACK OF OUR HOUSE TO THE STREET IN THE FRONT. WE ACCESS OUR GARAGE VIA THE ALLEY. IF WE HAVE TO PLACE CONTAINERS ALONG THE STREET IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE, IT WILL BE NECESSARY TO DRAG THEM ACROSS OUR FRONT YARD, WHICH IS COVERED IN HEAVY SAINT AUGUSTINE GRASS. I AM IN MY MID 70S AND MY HUSBAND IS 81 YEARS OLD. WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DRAG THE TWO HEAVY CONTAINERS TO THE FRONT, AND WOULD IT WOULD BE A SERIOUS PHYSICAL PROBLEM FOR US IN A SAFETY ISSUE. OUR ALLEY IS IN EXCELLENT SHAPE AND PARTS OF IT HAVE BEEN REPAVED WITHIN THE PAST FEW YEARS. THERE ARE NO OBSTRUCTIONS, VEGETATION OR POWER LINES THAT IMPEDE ALLEY PICKUP. ALSO, OUR STREET, COLLEGE PARK DRIVE, IS NOT WIDE AND CARS AND TRUCKS ARE OFTEN PARKED THERE ON A DAILY BASIS, MAKING STREET PICKUP MORE PROBLEMATIC. I SINCERELY HOPE THAT THE COLLECTION OF ALLEY TRASH IS CONTINUED. THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO REMAIN IN OUR HOUSE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THIS CONCLUDES YOUR FIRST FIVE REGISTERED SPEAKERS. MAYOR. FOR WHAT PURPOSE CAN WE MOVE TO SUSPEND THE RULES? YOU MAY. IS THERE ANY OBJECTION? HEARING NONE. SO ORDERED RULES SUSPENDED. TO HEAR WHAT? THE REMAINING SPEAKER, I ASSUME. THANK YOU. BRUCE. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYOR. MY NAME IS BRUCE OR I LIVE IN DISTRICT 13, AND I'M PART OF THE COALITION FIGHTING WITH 44,000 DALLAS HOMEOWNERS TO RETAIN THE ALLEY SERVICE THE CITY MASTER PLANNED FOR ALL OF US. THIS PRESENTATION TODAY, THE DEPARTMENT ACKNOWLEDGES NEARLY 100% OF RESPONDENTS WANT TO KEEP ALLEY SERVICE. IT ALSO SAYS THE PATH FORWARD, AND I QUOTE, WILL PRESERVE ALLEY SERVICE WHERE THERE IS CLEAR COMMUNITY PREFERENCE AND END QUOTE. IF YOU HAVE 93% TOTAL SUPPORT, ALL NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE A CLEAR PREFERENCE. SO THERE WOULD BE NO TRANSITION NEEDED AT ALL. HOWEVER, NONE OF THE PATHS THE DEPARTMENT PRESENTS INCLUDE A PROVISION THAT NEIGHBORHOODS WITH A CLEAR PREFERENCE WILL KEEP THE SERVICE, AS IT SAID WOULD BE THE CASE. IT'S HIDING THE FACT IT'S COMPLETELY IGNORING HOMEOWNERS. THE SURVEY RESULTS AND IN FACT, ITS OWN GUIDANCE. SECONDLY, BEST PRACTICES ARE GREAT BUT CANNOT BE APPLIED BLINDLY. HERE ARE THE DEPARTMENT USES CPAP AS ITS SHIELD AND SWORD TO JUSTIFY THINGS THAT COMMON SENSE AND THE SURVEY SAY IT SHOULDN'T. LASTLY, THE DEPARTMENT SAYS THERE IS NOTHING AT ALL IT CAN DO OPERATIONALLY TO ADDRESS THE SAFETY AND PROPERTY DAMAGES DRIVING ITS ELIMINATION OF ALLEY SERVICE. THAT'S HARD. SHOULD BE HARD FOR ANYBODY TO BELIEVE. IT ALSO SAYS THAT NONE OF THESE OPTIONS WILL BENEFIT FROM REDUCED SAFETY AND DAMAGE RISKS WITHOUT A YEAR OF R&D. IN FACT, I BELIEVE BOTH ALLI AND CURB SERVICE ARE GOING TO EXPERIENCE LESS RISK BEGINNING THIS MONTH. THAT'S BECAUSE, IF YOU'LL RECALL, THE DEPARTMENT PLEDGED TO IMPLEMENT THE 2024 CITY AUDITOR'S RECOMMENDATIONS BY THE END OF LAST YEAR AFTER DELAYING WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN AN INVITATION IN JULY. THAT REPORT SAID THAT $1 MILLION IN DAMAGES INVOLVING WAIT FOR IT, SAFETY AND PROPERTY COULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED WHEN THE DEPARTMENT IMPLEMENTS NEW PROCESSES IN HIRING, TRAINING, DISCIPLINE AND OVERSIGHT OF ITS DRIVERS. SO THIS IS WHAT WILL DRIVE THE MOST IMMEDIATE SAFETY AND PROPERTY DAMAGE IMPROVEMENTS FOR BOTH ALLI AND CURB SERVICES. AND IT CAN BE DONE BECAUSE THEY ARE DOING IT. [00:25:03] THEY JUST HAVEN'T ADMITTED IT. SO BEFORE TAKING ALLI SERVICE AWAY BECAUSE OF SAFETY AND DAMAGE ISSUES, PLEASE CONSIDER A PRACTICAL APPROACH WHICH LETS THE CITY ACTUALLY LEARN HOW MUCH THE ROLLOUT OF THE DRIVER AND TRAINING PROGRAMS ARE GOING TO AFFECT THOSE THINGS BEFORE CANCELING A SERVICE ANYWHERE. STRONGER COUNCIL GOVERNANCE MAY ALSO RESULT IF THE DEPARTMENT FOCUSES FIRST ON OPTIMIZING DATA DRIVEN DRIVER PROGRAMS, WHICH ARE ALREADY AUDITOR RECOMMENDED, PROVEN AND BUDGETED, RATHER THAN LAYERING ON MORE MAJOR INITIATIVES, WHICH WILL MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR AN ALREADY STRUGGLING DEPARTMENT TO MANAGE. IF THE COUNCIL RESPECTS THE SURVEY RESULTS, ACKNOWLEDGES THAT CPAC DOES NOT NECESSARILY APPLY HERE, AND FOCUSES THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT MANAGEMENT ON REDUCING SAFETY AND DAMAGE RISKS, EVERYONE WINS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. MAYOR, THIS CONCLUDES YOUR OPEN MICROPHONE SPEAKERS FOR THIS MEETING. OKAY. LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR VOTING AGENDA THEN. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM ONE IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF THE JANUARY 21ST, [VOTING AGENDA] 2026 CITY COUNCIL MEETING. IS THERE A MOTION? I HEARD A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. MINUTES ARE ADOPTED. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM TWO IS CONSIDERATION OF APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. THIS MORNING YOU ONLY HAVE INDIVIDUAL APPOINTMENTS. YOUR NOMINEES FOR INDIVIDUAL APPOINTMENT TO THE ARTS AND CULTURE ADVISORY COMMISSION. XZAVIER HENDERSON IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCILMEMBER JOHNSON. MR. HENDERSON MEETS THE VOLUNTEER CULTURAL BOARD EXPERIENCE PROFESSIONAL SPECIAL QUALIFICATION TO THE COMMISSION ON DISABILITIES. MELISSA COLLIER IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCILMEMBER JOHNSON. MISS COLLIER MEETS THE COMMITTED TO THE COMMUNITY OF DISABLED PERSONS SPECIAL QUALIFICATION AND TO THE VETERAN AFFAIRS COMMISSION. HOUSTON IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCILMEMBER GRACEY. MISS HOUSTON MEETS. THE HAVE PREVIOUSLY SERVED IN THE US MILITARY SPECIAL QUALIFICATION. THESE ARE YOUR NOMINEES, MR. MAYOR. IS THERE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? IS THERE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT. IT'S BEEN MOVED IN. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. CONGRATULATIONS TO THE NOMINEES. AGENDA ITEM THREE. CASTING OF LOTS TO IDENTIFY THE RECOMMENDED VENDOR RESULTING FROM TIED BIDS BETWEEN J. [CASTING OF LOTS] A PAINTING AND CONTRACTING COMPANY, INC. AND DFW DRYWALL EXPERTS, LLC ON GROUP FIVE IN RESPONSE TO BID BY 26 0029109 FOR A THREE YEAR SERVICE PRICE AGREEMENT FOR CITYWIDE PAINTING SERVICES IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 271 .901 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. WHEN A TIED BID MUST BE RESOLVED, THE MAYOR PERFORMS THE TIE BREAK BY SELECTING RANDOMLY AMONG TIE BIDDERS. MISTER MAYOR, I HAVE TWO SEALED ENVELOPES AND THERE'S ONLY ONE LINE. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO SELECT THE WINNING BIDDER OF GROUP FIVE. LINE ONE PICK ONE ENVELOPE IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. OF THE TWO. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. GOTCHA. AND WHEN YOU OPEN IT AND ANNOUNCE. AND WILL YOU ANNOUNCE THE. OKAY, MAYBE THE STRANGEST THING WE DO AROUND HERE. THIS VERY ODD ARCANE TRADITION J. A PAINTING AND CONTRACTING COMPANY, INC.. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THERE'S NO FURTHER ACTIONS REQUIRED FOR THIS ITEM. MR. MAYOR, YOUR BRIEFINGS CONTINUE. WONDERFUL. THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE CITY MANAGER FOR OUR BRIEFINGS FOR TODAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM SECRETARY. THANK YOU. [BRIEFINGS] THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. GOOD MORNING. YOUR FIRST BRIEFING IS AN UPDATE ON THE SANITATION ROUTE SAFETY AND EFFICIENCY INITIATIVE. WE KNOW THAT WE'VE BRIEFED THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS. THIS ISSUE CONTINUES TO CENTER ON THE SAFETY RISK AND THE OPERATIONAL CHALLENGES OUR SANITATION CREWS FACE WHEN COLLECTING WASTE IN NARROW ALLEYWAYS. BEFORE WE BEGIN, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE CITY COUNCIL FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO WORKING WITH STAFF. I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS MEETINGS AND DISCUSSIONS, AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE COMMUNITY WHO WE KNOW HAVE ALSO CREATED SEVERAL ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES TO ADDRESS THIS COMPLEX ISSUE. WE KNOW THAT THIS IS A DIFFICULT CONVERSATION, AND AT LAST, BUT NOT LEAST, I KNOW THAT WE ALSO HAVE TO CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON DELIVERING SAFE AND EFFICIENT SERVICES TO ALL RESIDENTS OF OUR CITY. TODAY'S BRIEFING WILL FOCUS ON RECENT THE CUSTOMER SURVEY RESULTS ON HOW THAT INPUT IS SHAPING POTENTIAL PATHS FORWARD. WE ALSO WANT TO HEAR PERSPECTIVES FROM THE CITY COUNCIL AS WE CONTINUE TO ENGAGE ON THIS IMPORTANT TOPIC. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, ELENA CHACON, TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND. AND THEN SHE WILL INTRODUCE THE DIRECTOR OF SANITATION TO BEGIN THE PRESENTATION. [00:30:03] THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU. MISS TOLBERT. AS THE CITY MANAGER NOTED, THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF AN ONGOING CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING ALLEY COLLECTION SERVICE AND THE SAFETY AND EFFICIENCY CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED WITH IT. WHAT BEGAN AS A BROAD PROPOSAL TO PHASE OUT ALLEY COLLECTION CITYWIDE WAS REFINED SIGNIFICANTLY IN THE FIRST PART OF 2025, BASED ON ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS, ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS, AND COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, I APOLOGIZE. FOLLOWING THE BRIEFING TO THE CITY COUNCIL IN JUNE 2025, SANITATION CONDUCTED A TARGETED SURVEY OF CUSTOMERS SERVED FROM THE NARROWEST ALLEYS TO FURTHER UNDERSTAND CUSTOMER PREFERENCES AND WILLINGNESS TO CONSIDER ALTERNATIVES. I WILL TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO SANITATION DIRECTOR CLIFF GILLESPIE, WHO WILL REVIEW THE SURVEY RESULTS AND OUTLINE THE OPTIONS NOW UNDER CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, AND GOOD MORNING, MAYOR. MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, I'M CLIFF GILLESPIE, DIRECTOR OF SANITATION. I ALSO WANT TO BEGIN BY THANKING THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE TIME AND ATTENTION MANY OF YOU HAVE GIVEN THIS ISSUE OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS, AND FOR THE PERSPECTIVES AND GUIDANCE YOU HAVE SHARED AS THIS WORK HAS EVOLVED. AS ELENA MENTIONED, TODAY'S BRIEFING FOCUSES ON SHARING THE RESULTS OF THE CUSTOMER SURVEY OF RESIDENTS SERVED FROM OUR NARROWEST ALLEYS AND DISCUSSING HOW THAT INPUT INFORMS THE OPTIONS NOW IN FRONT OF US. THIS REMAINS, FIRST AND FOREMOST, A WORKER SAFETY AND EFFICIENCY ISSUE. ALLEY COLLECTION AND CONSTRAINED ENVIRONMENTS CONTINUES TO PRESENT ELEVATED RISKS TO OUR CREWS, RECURRING DAMAGE TO PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PROPERTY, AND LONG TERM COST PRESSURES FOR CUSTOMERS. NEXT SLIDE. TODAY I WILL BRIEFLY RECAP THE BACKGROUND, WALK THROUGH WHAT WE HEARD FROM CUSTOMERS, AND THEN OUTLINE A SET OF POTENTIAL PATHS FORWARD. OUR GOAL THIS MORNING IS TO RECEIVE CITY COUNCIL FEEDBACK ON WHICH OPTION YOU WOULD LIKE STAFF TO CONTINUE REFINING AS WE MOVE TOWARDS THE NEXT PHASE OF THIS WORK. NEXT SLIDE. AS A REMINDER, SANITATION SERVES OVER 260,000 CUSTOMERS, PRIMARILY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, BUT ALSO INCLUDING NEARLY 6000 COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY LOCATIONS. THAT'S OVER 500,000 GARBAGE AND RECYCLING COLLECTION POINTS WEEKLY, OR MORE THAN 2 MILLION COLLECTION POINTS EACH MONTH, WHICH DOESN'T INCLUDE OUR BRUSH AND BULKY ITEM COLLECTIONS. 63% OF COLLECTIONS ARE FROM THE CURB AND 37% IN ALLEYWAYS AND ALLEY. PAVEMENT IS GENERALLY EIGHT, NINE, OR TEN FEET WIDE. NEXT SLIDE. IN NARROW ALLEYS, THOSE NINE FEET WIDE OR LESS, WE WE ROUTINE. WE SEE ROUTINE, EQUIPMENT, RIGHT OF WAY AND PRIVATE PROPERTY DAMAGE. RUTTING IN MANY EIGHT AND NINE FOOT WIDE ALLEYS, CONTACT WITH FENCES, UTILITY POLES, OVERHEAD WIRES AND GAS METERS. MORE TROUBLING ARE THE WORKER INJURIES, INCLUDING INCIDENTS WHERE WORKERS HAVE BEEN PINNED AND RUN OVER, NEAR MISSES FOR ELECTROCUTION AND SEVERE FIRE INJURY. THESE TYPES OF INCIDENTS AND INJURIES DON'T HAPPEN WHEN PROVIDING SERVICE FROM THE CURB. NEXT SLIDE ALLEY PICKUP IS A LEGACY APPROACH THAT PREDATES MODERN BEST PRACTICES, GENERALLY REQUIRING REAR LOAD TRUCKS WITH THREE PERSON CREWS. CURBSIDE SERVICE WITH AUTOMATED SIDE LOAD TRUCKS IS SAFER AND MORE EFFICIENT, REQUIRING JUST ONE DRIVER OPERATOR. NEXT SLIDE. FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS, CHANGES TO ALLEY COLLECTION SERVICE IN DALLAS HAVE OCCURRED LARGELY ON AN AD HOC BLOCK BY BLOCK BASIS. IN MOST CASES, THESE CHANGES WERE TRIGGERED BY SPECIFIC SAFETY INCIDENTS, REPEATED DAMAGE TO PUBLIC OR PRIVATE PROPERTY, OR OTHER CONDITIONS THAT MADE IT UNSAFE FOR OUR CREWS TO CONTINUE TO CONTINUE OPERATING IN AN ALLEY. OVER TIME, CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED PLANS HAVE INCREASINGLY ACKNOWLEDGED SANITATION ROUTE CHALLENGES. IN 2021, C-CAP IDENTIFIED IMPROVING ROUTE EFFICIENCY AS AN IMPORTANT OPERATIONAL GOAL, WHILE IN 2022 THE LOCAL SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT PLAN MORE DIRECTLY DOCUMENTS THE SAFETY, OPERATIONAL AND INFRASTRUCTURE CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED WITH ALLEY COLLECTION AND THE NEED TO TRANSITION SERVICE WHERE FEASIBLE. NEXT SLIDE. OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, STAFF HAVE BEEN WORKING TOWARD A MORE DELIBERATE AND TRANSPARENT APPROACH TO ADDRESSING THESE CHALLENGES. IN JUNE OF 2024, SANITATION INITIALLY BROUGHT FORWARD A PLAN TO PHASE OUT ALLEY COLLECTION CITYWIDE, AFFECTING APPROXIMATELY 94,000 CUSTOMERS BASED ON DOCUMENTED SAFETY AND OPERATIONAL RISKS. FOLLOWING CITY COUNCIL FEEDBACK AND COMMUNITY RESPONSE. THAT PROPOSAL WAS PAUSED IN AUGUST OF 24 TO ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS AND EXTENDED ENGAGEMENT. [00:35:03] LAST JUNE, STAFF RETURNED WITH A REVISED PLAN, REFERRED TO AS THE STAFF HYBRID APPROACH, WHICH FOCUSED ONLY ON THE MOST FEASIBLE ALLEY LOCATIONS FOR TRANSITION. APPROXIMATELY 26,000 CUSTOMER LOCATIONS. THAT REFINED APPROACH WAS AGAIN PAUSED IN OCTOBER, THIS TIME TO ALLOW STAFF TO GATHER MORE TARGETED CUSTOMER INPUT TO BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE WITH THE NARROWEST ALLEYS VIEWED THE TRADE OFFS INVOLVED, AND TO FURTHER EVALUATE THE FEASIBILITY OF ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS. THAT PAUSE LED DIRECTLY TO THE SURVEY EFFORT I'LL DISCUSS NEXT. NEXT SLIDE. IN MID-NOVEMBER OF 25, SANITATION BEGAN A TARGETED SURVEY OF CUSTOMERS RECEIVING ALLI COLLECTION SERVICE FROM THE NARROWEST ALLEYWAYS IN THE CITY, SPECIFICALLY THOSE WITH PAVEMENT WIDTHS OF NINE FEET WIDE OR LESS. APPROXIMATELY 44,000 CUSTOMERS WERE CONTACTED AND RESPONSES WERE ACCEPTED BY MAIL, ONLINE OR BY PHONE IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH TO ENSURE BROAD ACCESS. THE PURPOSE OF THE SURVEY WAS TO ENSURE THAT EVERY POTENTIALLY AFFECTED CUSTOMER HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE INPUT ON THE ISSUE. UP TO THAT POINT, MUCH OF THE FEEDBACK RECEIVED ON THE STAFF HYBRID APPROACH WAS CONCENTRATED IN A LIMITED NUMBER OF AREAS, AND THE SURVEY WAS INTENDED TO CREATE A MORE BALANCED, CITY WIDE PICTURE OF CUSTOMER PERSPECTIVES. THE SURVEY WAS NOT A VOTE AND IT WAS NOT INTENDED TO PRODUCE A SINGLE OUTCOME. INSTEAD, IT WAS DESIGNED TO INFORM STAFF AS WE FURTHER EVALUATED OPTIONS THAT BALANCE WORKER SAFETY SERVICE, RELIABILITY, CUSTOMER PREFERENCE, AND LONG TERM OPERATIONAL IMPACTS. NEXT SLIDE. SO AS I SAID, WE MAILED JUST UNDER 44,000 SURVEYS AND RECEIVED A LITTLE OVER 10,000 RESPONSES. ROUGHLY 77% OF CUSTOMERS OR NEARLY EIGHT OUT OF TEN, DID NOT RESPOND. RESPONSE RATES VARIED BY GEOGRAPHY AND NEIGHBORHOOD. THE HIGHEST IN THE HIGHEST PARTICIPATING AREAS. SURVEY RESPONSE RATES WERE ABOUT 35%. IN MOST AREAS. PARTICIPATION WAS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER AMONG THOSE WHO DID RESPOND, MOST FAVORED CONTINUED ALLEY COLLECTION, AND ABOUT 60% INDICATED A WILLINGNESS TO PAY SOME AMOUNT MORE TO RETAIN THAT SERVICE. HOWEVER, PARTICIPATION LEVELS OVERALL WERE LIMITED, AND THESE RESULTS CANNOT BE TREATED AS A DEFINITIVE EXPRESSION OF CITYWIDE PREFERENCE. INSTEAD, IT HIGHLIGHTS BOTH WHERE CUSTOMER SENTIMENT IS CLEAR AND WHERE UNCERTAINTY REMAINS. NEXT SLIDE. THE MAPS ON THIS SLIDE AND THE NEXT SHOW SURVEY RESPONSE RATES ACROSS THE CITY SPLIT INTO NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN DALLAS. SIMPLY FOR EASE OF VIEWING, WE ORGANIZE THE DATA USING OUR DAY OF COLLECTION SERVICE MAP. EACH SERVICE DAY, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY IS FURTHER DIVIDED INTO FIVE AREAS ACROSS THE CITY, WHICH TOGETHER REFLECT HOW OUR CREWS ACTUALLY OPERATE AND HOW ROUTES ARE STRUCTURED. THIS GIVES US 25 AREAS WITH ROUGHLY COMPARABLE CUSTOMER POPULATIONS. NEXT SLIDE. AND HERE I WANT TO PAUSE FOR A NOTE REGARDING FAR SOUTHEAST DALLAS WHICH SHOWS A 0% RESPONSE RATE. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THAT AREA HAS THE LOWEST COUNT OF ALI CUSTOMERS ONLY A FEW BLOCKS. NO. CUSTOMERS FROM THOSE VERY FEW LOCATIONS RESPONDED TO THE SURVEY. NEXT SLIDE. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE SURVEY RESULTS, WHICH DOES INDICATE A STRONG PREFERENCE FOR CONTINUED ALI COLLECTION IN SOME AREAS, ALONGSIDE OUR SAFETY AND OPERATIONAL DATA, CUSTOMER PREFERENCES MUST BE BALANCED WITH THE KEY GOAL OF WORKER SAFETY. THE SAFETY AND PROPERTY DAMAGE RISKS IN ALI'S NINE FEET WIDE, NINE FEET WIDE OR LESS ARE CONSISTENT ACROSS THE CITY. SO REDUCING THOSE RISKS REMAINS TOP PRIORITY. WE EXAMINED INDUSTRY STANDARD TOOLS AVAILABLE TO CONTINUE ALI COLLECTION IN THESE ENVIRONMENTS, AND THEY DO NOT MEANINGFULLY REDUCE RISK. AS A RESULT, THE POTENTIAL PATHS FORWARD MAY INVOLVE A COMBINATION OF PRESERVING ALI SERVICE WHERE FEASIBLE, MAKING TARGETED TRANSITIONS, AND EXPLORING ALTERNATIVE APPROACHES OUTSIDE OF INDUSTRY STANDARD BEST PRACTICES. NEXT SLIDE. WE REGULARLY MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO ROUTES, STAFFING, EQUIPMENT AND OUR WORK PROCEDURES TO IMPROVE SAFETY AND EFFICIENCY. THOSE CHANGES HELP, BUT IN VERY NARROW ALLEYS THEY DO NOT ELIMINATE THE UNDERLYING RISKS. ANY MEANINGFUL IMPROVEMENT IN SAFETY OR DAMAGE REDUCTION IN THE NARROW ALLEYS WHERE WE CONTINUE TO OPERATE WILL REQUIRE RESEARCH AND CONCEPT DEVELOPMENT. [00:40:08] THAT INCLUDES LOOKING AT NONSTANDARD SERVICE MODELS, EMERGING EQUIPMENT AND TECHNOLOGIES, AND DIFFERENT WAYS OF DELIVERING THE SERVICE ALTOGETHER. THIS TYPE OF WORK DOES NOT PRODUCE IMMEDIATE RESULTS. IT TAKES TIME AND TESTING, WHICH IS WHY THE OPTIONS YOU WILL SEE NEXT COMBINE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT WITH VARYING LEVELS OF TRANSITION. NEXT SLIDE. THIS SLIDE LAYS OUT FOUR POTENTIAL PATHS FORWARD BASED ON THE WORK STAFF HAS DONE OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, INFORMED BY CUSTOMER AND CITY COUNCIL FEEDBACK AND OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS. OPTION ONE CONTINUING WITH THE STAFF HYBRID APPROACH THAT WAS BRIEFED TO THE CITY COUNCIL LAST JUNE. UNDER THIS OPTION, SERVICE WOULD TRANSITION IN AREAS WITH ALLEY PAVEMENT NINE FEET WIDE OR LESS, AND WHERE AT LEAST 60% OF THE HOMES ON EACH BLOCK HAVE FRONT DRIVEWAYS, AFFECTING APPROXIMATELY 26,000 LOCATIONS. OPTION TWO BUILDS ON THE HYBRID APPROACH FRAMEWORK, BUT FURTHER TIGHTENS THE FEASIBILITY CRITERIA. TRANSITIONS WOULD BE LIMITED TO AREAS WITH 100% FRONT DRIVEWAYS AND A REASONABLE DISTANCE FROM THE FRONT FRONT STRUCTURE LINE TO THE CURB, REDUCING THE NUMBER OF IMPACTED LOCATIONS TO FEWER THAN 10,000. UNDER OPTION THREE, STAFF WOULD IDENTIFY ALLEYS WITH CRITICAL CONDITIONS ALONG COLLECTION ROUTES WITH THE LOWEST SURVEY RESPONSE RATES, AND IMPLEMENT TRANSITIONS WHERE FEASIBLE ON A ROUTE BY ROUTE BASIS. THIS IS ANTICIPATED TO AFFECT FEWER THAN 5000 LOCATIONS. OPTION FOUR INVOLVES NO TRANSITION AT THIS TIME. ALL EXISTING HOURLY SERVICE WOULD CONTINUE, SUBJECT TO THE EXISTING HOURLY SERVICE CRITERIA. ACROSS ALL FOUR OPTIONS, STAFF WOULD BRING FORWARD A PROPOSED TIERED RATE STRUCTURE BEGINNING IN FISCAL YEAR 2027, AND RESEARCH AND CONCEPT DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE INITIATED ACROSS ALL OPTIONS, ALSO NOT JUST OPTIONS TWO THROUGH FOUR. AS THE SLIDE INDICATES. NEXT SLIDE. THIS SLIDE HIGHLIGHTS THE KEY TRADE OFFS BETWEEN THE STAFF HYBRID APPROACH AND THE NEW OUTCOME OR NEW OPTIONS. THE HYBRID APPROACH DELIVERS SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS SOONER BY REDUCING EXPOSURE IN THE MOST CONSTRAINED ALLEYS EARLIER. IT ALSO REDUCES PROPERTY DAMAGE SOONER, PROVIDES A COST BENEFIT FOR CUSTOMERS WHO TRANSITION TO CURBSIDE SERVICE, AND ALIGNS WITH THE CITY'S EFFICIENCY AND SUSTAINABILITY GOALS. THE NEW OPTIONS PLACE MORE EMPHASIS ON MAINTAINING ALLEY SERVICE. UNDER THOSE OPTIONS, SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS AND NARROW ALLEYS OCCUR LATER, AND PROPERTY DAMAGE RISKS CONTINUE FOR LONGER. BECAUSE ALLEY COLLECTION REQUIRES MORE LABOR, THESE THESE OPTIONS ALSO PLACE GREATER LONG TERM COST PRESSURE ON ALLEY SERVICE CUSTOMERS. THE PURPOSE OF THIS COMPARISON IS NOT TO IDENTIFY A RIGHT OR WRONG CHOICE, BUT TO CLEARLY LAY OUT THE TRADEOFFS INVOLVED. NEXT SLIDE. FROM A SAFETY AND OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, STAFF SUPPORTS APPROACHES THAT INCLUDE SOME DEGREE OF TRANSITION OUT OF CONSTRAINED ALLEY ENVIRONMENTS. THAT'S OPTIONS ONE, TWO, AND THREE. OPTION ONE THE STAFF HYBRID APPROACH PROVIDES THE CLEAREST AND MOST IMMEDIATE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS FOR WORKERS. AMONG OTHER BENEFITS. OPTIONS TWO AND THREE TAKE A MORE INCREMENTAL APPROACH, BUT BOTH ALLOW HOURLY SERVICE TO CONTINUE IN MOST AREAS WHILE STILL ENABLING TARGETED, FEASIBLE TRANSITIONS. NEXT SLIDE. BEFORE MOVING TO NEXT STEPS, I WANT TO NOTE A FEW REALITIES THAT APPLY UNDER ANY OPTION WHERE HOURLY SERVICE CONTINUES. SAFETY RISKS AND PROPERTY DAMAGE ALSO CONTINUE. THOSE RISKS CANNOT BE FULLY ELIMINATED WITHIN TODAY'S INDUSTRY STANDARD SERVICE MODEL. CONTINUING HOURLY SERVICE WILL ALSO REQUIRE INCIDENT DRIVEN BLOCK BY BLOCK TRANSITIONS TO CURBSIDE SERVICE. WHEN SERIOUS SAFETY ISSUES ARE REPEATED, DAMAGE OCCUR. FINALLY, HOURLY COLLECTION HAS A HIGHER LONG TERM COST TRAJECTORY THAN CURBSIDE SERVICE. RESEARCH AND CONCEPT DEVELOPMENT MAY LEAD TO NEW APPROACHES, BUT THAT WORK WILL TAKE TIME AND MAY NOT RESULT IN SOLUTIONS THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY DEPLOYABLE OR COST EFFECTIVE. NEXT SLIDE. SO BASED ON TODAY'S BRIEFING, STAFF IS SEEKING CITY COUNCIL PERSPECTIVES ON THE OPTIONS PRESENTED, PARTICULARLY OPTIONS ONE THROUGH THREE, WHICH INCLUDES SOME DEGREE OF TRANSITION IN THE MOST CONSTRAINED ALLEY ENVIRONMENTS. STAFF WILL USE THAT FEEDBACK TO DETERMINE A PATH FORWARD AND BEGIN PLANNING NEXT STEPS. [00:45:02] THAT WORK WILL INCLUDE DEVELOPING A COMMUNICATIONS APPROACH, REFINING TIMELINES, AND PREPARING FOR A TIERED RATE STRUCTURE FOR ALLEY AND CURBSIDE SERVICE. BEGINNING THIS SUMMER, SANITATION WILL INITIATE CUSTOMER COMMUNICATIONS IN ADVANCE OF ANY SERVICE CHANGES AND IMPLEMENTATION OF COLLECTION POINT TRANSITIONS, IF ANY, WOULD BEGIN IN FEBRUARY OF NEXT YEAR. AND OF COURSE, STAFF WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE UPDATES TO CITY COUNCIL AS THIS WORK PROGRESSES. SO THIS CONCLUDES MY BRIEFING. I WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL AGAIN FOR YOUR CONTINUED ENGAGEMENT ON THIS ISSUE. WE RECOGNIZE THAT CHANGES TO LONG STANDING SERVICES ARE DIFFICULT, AND THAT WASTE COLLECTION IS A VERY PERSONAL SERVICE THAT AFFECTS MANY DAILY ROUTINES AND NEIGHBORHOOD ESTHETICS. THOSE CONCERNS MATTER, AND THEY ARE PART OF WHY WE HAVE TAKEN A DELIBERATE AND TRANSPARENT APPROACH TO THIS WORK OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS. I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT, MEMBERS, WE'RE READY FOR QUESTIONS ON A BRIEFING ITEM A FOR TODAY. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR THE WORK ON THIS AND THE PRESENTATION. AND THANK YOU TO THOSE WHO HAVE SHOWN UP AND BEEN IN COMMUNICATION AND SPOKEN AND TAKEN INITIATIVE TO GATHER THE FEEDBACK OF OTHERS. 12,000 SIGNATURES IS NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE IGNORED. THAT'S THAT'S PEOPLE SPEAKING UP AND SHARING THEIR OPINION. I KIND OF WANT TO GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING ON THIS, AND THAT IS THAT CITY GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO STUDY EFFICIENCY ACROSS EVERY DEPARTMENT. THAT IS WHAT I WOULD HOPE OUR TAXPAYERS AND THE PEOPLE THAT WE REPRESENT EXPECT OF US. AND SANITATION IS NO DIFFERENT. SO THAT IS WHY THIS CAME UP IN THE QUEUE, IN ADDITION TO THE WORKER AND PROPERTY SAFETY ISSUES. SO THAT'S REALLY CRITICAL AND MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT OTHER DEPARTMENTS FACE LIKE YOU DO. AND SO THERE'S A REAL IMPERATIVE THERE. BUT WE GOT SOME REALLY VALUABLE LEARNING HERE THAT THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL STAFF NEEDS TO CONSIDER THAT BEYOND THE NUMBERS AND THE COLUMNS, PEOPLE ARE CONNECTED TO DIFFERENT CITY SERVICES IN VERY DIFFERENT WAYS. AND I THINK WE HAVE SEEN THAT IN ABUNDANCE ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. SO REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S SANITATION OR ANOTHER DEPARTMENT, WE ALWAYS HAVE TO COME BACK IN WITH THAT OVERLAY OF WHAT'S THE EMOTIONAL CONNECTION OR THE PERSONAL CONNECTION TO A CITY SERVICE. SO I APPRECIATE THE RESPONSE FROM THE CITY MANAGER AND TO THE MEMO THAT WAS SENT IN AUGUST. COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKMON SIGNED ON WITH ME THAT JUST ASKED TO HAVE A RECONSIDERATION OF JUST A ROLLOUT AND IMPLEMENTATION. SO THE PAUSE RESULTED IN MORE OUTREACH TO UNDERSTAND THE CITY. AND I APPRECIATE HOW YOU'VE BROKEN IT DOWN FOR US. I THINK AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, IT REALLY HELPS TO HAVE SOME DATA. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PHONE CALLS AND EMAILS AND RUN INTO PEOPLE, BUT, YOU KNOW, TO SEE SOME NUMBERS STARTS TO REALLY HELP SHAPE A PICTURE. AND SO I THINK THAT'S BEEN VALUABLE. SO I'M GLAD THAT THIS WAS PAUSED AND WE TOOK THIS STEP. AND SO MY THOUGHT ON THIS, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHICH OPTION IT WOULD BE REPRESENTED UNDER. MAYBE IT'S A OPTION FIVE IS THAT IF A RESIDENT OR A NEIGHBORHOOD OR BLOCK WANTS ALLEY SERVICE, AND IF THEY ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT AND IT IS NOT CREATING PROPERTY OR WORKER SAFETY ISSUES OR SOME THAT AREN'T INSURMOUNTABLE THAT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO KEEP IT. SO I ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WHAT WE'VE LEARNED, I'VE STOOD IN A LOT OF ALLEYS AND WALKED THEM WITH A LOT OF FOLKS THAT THE DESIGN OF THE ALLEY, OR MAYBE A HOUSE OR A YARD IS JUST NOT SUCH WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE WORKABLE AND THAT THEY WILL ALWAYS HAVE ALLEY SERVICE. IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE. AND I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE LOOKED AT THESE OFTENTIMES PERSONALLY AS WELL. SO THERE ARE JUST SOME BECAUSE OF LANDSCAPE OR A HILL OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE. IT'S JUST I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD EVER HAPPEN. THAT MAY BE SOMEONE ELSE'S ISSUE IN THE FUTURE TO TO TANGLE WITH. BUT RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD GET INTO. SO ON PAGE 12 IT SAYS THE PATH FORWARD MAY INCLUDE A COMBINATION, BUT I WANT TO GO TO THE FIRST BULLET THAT SAYS PRESERVING ALLEY SERVICE, WHERE CLEAR COMMUNITY PREFERENCE SUPPORTS IT. SO WHAT KIND OF THOUGHT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO HOW THAT CAN HAPPEN, HOW WE CAN FOCUS ON WHAT THE SURVEY HAS YIELDED? I MEAN, I'VE GOT AN AREA IN HERE. YOU KNOW, I GOT HIGH VOTER TURNOUT AND I GOT HIGH SURVEY TURNOUT, TOO. SO YOU KNOW, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT SOME OF THESE AREAS YOU KNOW, REALLY WANT THIS AND HAVE EXPRESSED A WILLINGNESS TO PAY FOR IT. SO WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP ON SAYING, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO LOCK IT IN THERE. [00:50:03] THANK YOU. SO DEPENDING ON THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED TODAY, IF WE GET SORT OF CLEAR CLEAR FEEDBACK ON A, ON A DIRECTION, WE WILL TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND MOVE FORWARD WITH ONE OF THESE OPTIONS. PARTICULARLY OPTIONS 2 OR 3 IN THOSE THOSE TWO NEW OPTIONS WILL BRING THOSE DOWN TO THE ROOT LEVEL TO ANALYZE ROOT BY ROOT. SO AS WE SAY YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE'S STRONG PREFERENCE TRYING TO AVOID THAT, THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT. SO OPTION TWO 100% FRONT DRIVEWAYS. AND WE HAVE TAKEN CIRCLE DRIVES OUT OF THAT METRIC. SO WE'RE TALKING STRAIGHT DRIVEWAYS. AS WELL AS EVALUATING THE THE LENGTH OF THE FRONT DRIVEWAY THAT WILL GUIDE US INTO WHERE THOSE TRANSITIONS WOULD BE. OPTION THREE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR. AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT WE'LL FIRST BE LOOKING AT THE AREAS WITH THE LOWEST RESPONSE RATES AND WHERE WE HAVE THE MOST CRITICAL ISSUES IN ALLEYWAYS. SO YOU KNOW, YOU SPEAK TO YOUR AREA WITH A HIGH RESPONSE, HIGHER RESPONSE RATE. THAT IS NOT LIKELY AN AREA THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING INTO. I THINK IT'S THE HIGHEST RESPONSE RATE IN THE CITY. BUT AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO DRILL DOWN INTO THE ROOT LEVEL ANALYSIS. SO IF THERE IS SOMEONE THAT IS ON THE BUBBLE BECAUSE OF A SAFETY ISSUE, WHETHER IT'S PROPERTY OR WORKER WE HAVE ALI SERVICE CRITERIA ON THE WEBSITE, BUT, YOU KNOW, OUR WEBSITE'S GOT A LOT OF PAGES TO IT. SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO HELP EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ABOUT YOU KNOW, YOU MAY HAVE SOME ISSUES THAT ARE THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO RESOLVE. AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE THE CITY'S TO RESOLVE. HOW WILL THAT WORK? WELL, THAT'S AN THAT'S ALWAYS AN ONGOING COMMUNICATION THAT BETWEEN MY DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY'S COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT ARE CONSTANTLY PUSHING OUT YOU KNOW, SOCIAL MEDIA REMINDERS TO THAT EFFECT. THERE'S UTILITY BILL INSERTS. YOU KNOW, WE CAN BE. WELL, THE THE THE THE OTHER THING THAT WE DO IN CONJUNCTION WITH CODE COMPLIANCE IS REMINDING NEIGHBORS REGARDING VEGETATION IN THEIR BACKYARD WHEN IT BECOMES A PROBLEM FOR OUR CREWS THEY NOTIFY OUR ENFORCEMENT TEAMS, GO OUT, AND IT STARTS WITH EDUCATION. THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE BLANKETED WITH DOOR HANGERS MAKING A KIND REQUEST THAT NEIGHBORS ADDRESS THEIR BACKYARD ISSUES. AND WE GO FROM THERE. SO MAYBE IT'S TIME TO STOP BEING SO KIND WITH THOSE REQUESTS. I THINK SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THE GALLERY TODAY AND OTHERS HAVE EXPRESSED THEY'RE WILLING TO HELP WITH THAT EDUCATION, SO WE MAY WANT TO UTILIZE THEM FOR WHAT THEY'VE OFFERED TO DO THERE. THE LAST THING I'LL SAY, YOU DID CALL OUT SOMETHING ABOUT CUSTOMER PREFERENCE. AND I DO THINK THAT'S CRITICAL TO HIGHLIGHT HERE, BECAUSE THERE MAY BE PEOPLE IN THE FACE OF WHAT ATMOS IS PROPOSING WITH A 10% UTILITY INCREASE, ENCORE WITH A 3% UTILITY INCREASE, PEOPLE'S PAYCHECKS, THEIR DISABILITY CHECKS, THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS ARE NOT INCREASING AT THESE SAME RATES. AND SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT THERE MAY BE SOME THAT HAVE DON'T HAVE THE PRICE ELASTICITY. AND SO I THINK THAT'S THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS THAT WE ALSO NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. BUT IF SOMEONE HAS A STRONG PREFERENCE, IS WILLING TO PAY FOR IT, AND IT'S A SAFE ENOUGH ENVIRONMENT THAT WE SHOULD LET THAT CONTINUE. THANK YOU. CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. WELL, FIRST, I'M JUST GOING TO START WITH. WE MUST CONTINUE ALI SERVICE. IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE. IT'S WHAT I SAID WHEN YOU DID THE PRESENTATION IN 24, AND WHEN YOU DID THE PRESENTATION IN 25. SO NOW THAT WE'RE AT 26, I'M GOING TO SAY THE SAME EXACT THING I WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS ON ACTUALLY A VERY HIGH RESPONSE RATE THROUGHOUT THE CITY. THAT IS A TREMENDOUS RESPONSE RATE. SO TO SAY THAT WE HAD A LOW ONE HERE AND A HIGH ONE THERE. NO, ACTUALLY YOU HAD A HIGH ONE EVERYWHERE. THE SECOND THING IS, WHAT ISN'T MENTIONED IN THE WHOLE PRESENTATION IS THE POOR CONDITION OF THE ALLEYS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND THAT'S ON US. THAT'S SYSTEMATIC LACK OF INVESTMENT. AND IT WAS DISCUSSED IN 24. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED IN 25, BUT IT'S COMPLETELY MISSING HERE. AND I THINK THAT MIGHT EVEN BE A BUDGET FORECAST FOR US. BUT IT'S PROBLEMATIC. NUMBER THREE, YOU GAVE US FOUR OPTIONS ON SLIDE 14. [00:55:01] BUT THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS THAT AREN'T EVEN ON HERE THAT ARE JUST COMPLETELY MISSING. SO WHERE'S THE OPTION TO OUTSOURCE SOMETHING I ASKED ABOUT IN 2024. I ASKED ABOUT THE CITY ATTORNEY LOOKING INTO THAT. WE DON'T DO THE OUTBURST THING. I LET IT GO DURING OPEN MIC, BUT WE GOTTA MAINTAIN SOME DECORUM. THANK YOU. YOU GAVE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT FORT WORTH USES PAYS FOR THEIR TRASH PICKUP. THEY DO HAVE THEIR OUTSOURCED PICKUP. SO HAS THAT BEEN EXPLORED? SO EVALUATING PRIVATE SERVICE MODELS WILL BE PART OF THE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT WORK AROUND THIS. I WANT TO IF WE CAN GO TO SLIDE 21 POINT OUT THAT AND THIS IS IN THE APPENDIX. NO. TWO CITIES THERE, SOLID WASTE UTILITIES WORK THE SAME WAY. NO, YOU CAN'T COMPARE TWO CITIES. THE CONDITIONS INVOLVED, THE SERVICES PROVIDED. THIS IS JUST AN ABBREVIATED LIST OF OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN IN THOSE RATES. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A FULL GRASP OF WHAT ALL THE COMPONENTS COULD BE IN UTILIZING A PRIVATE SERVICE PROVIDER BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THAT AND THEN ARE SURPRISED LATER ON WHEN THERE'S NEW COSTS, NOT JUST TO THE SANITATION RATEPAYER, BUT TO POTENTIALLY TO THE GENERAL FUND. ON THE NEXT SLIDE, SLIDE 22, THESE CITIES AROUND DALLAS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP SEVERAL TIMES. AGAIN, THIS IS POINTING OUT THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SERVICE THAT THOSE CITIES RECEIVE. NO TWO CITIES ARE PROVIDING THE SAME SERVICE. THE CONDITIONS ARE DIFFERENT. THE CITIES WITH THE LOWEST RATES THEY HAVE AN EXCLUSIVE PROVIDER FOR BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. ONE SERVICE PROVIDER DOES BOTH. SO THAT HAS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE RESIDENTIAL RATE WHEN ONE PROVIDER IS ALSO PROVIDING THE COMMERCIAL SERVICE. AGAIN, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FULLY UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT GOES INTO WOULD GO INTO HANDING OFF THIS SERVICE, WHICH I WOULD, BY THE WAY, POINT OUT THE COMMUNITY SURVEY YEAR AFTER YEAR POINTS OUT OR SHOWS THAT RESIDENTS ARE ARE 80% FIND SANITATION SERVICES EXCELLENT OR GOOD. AND THAT NUMBER HAS HAS INCREASED BY 10% OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS. IT KEEPS GOING UP AND UP. SO WE DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, JUMP INTO SOMETHING THAT MAY NOT WORK AS WELL WITHOUT FULLY UNDERSTANDING IT. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, IT WILL BE CONSIDERED OKAY, BUT IT WAS DISCUSSED IN 2024. I WENT BACK AND EVEN WATCHED THE MEETING AND IT'S NOW 2026. THIS BRIEFING I THINK, SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED THAT. YOU HAVE YOUR COMPARISON TO THE CITIES. THE CITIES SELECTED ARE SUPER INTERESTING. I'VE ACTUALLY NEVER SEEN US COMPARE OURSELVES TO ALLEN, AND THOSE CITIES ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP BY THE INTERESTED STAKEHOLDERS THAT HAVE COME TO THE COUNCIL AND BROUGHT THOSE CITIES UP MULTIPLE TIMES. SO THAT'S WHY WE REFERENCED THEM HERE. WELL, THEY'RE NOT THE CITIES THAT YOU COMPARED IN 2024. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND PEOPLE GO BACK AND WATCH THAT PRESENTATION. SO THE NEXT ITEM I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THIS YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS DIDN'T INCLUDE ALLOWING CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS TO JUST OPT OUT ALTOGETHER. AND WHEN I ASKED ABOUT THAT IN 2024, YOU SAID IT'S THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT OF DWU TO SERVICE. AND I WOULD LIKE THE MANAGER TO FIGURE OUT A WAY FOR NEIGHBORHOODS IF THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME SORT OF TRANSITIONING, WHICH I'M OPPOSED TO, BECAUSE A TRANSITION HERE EVENTUALLY WILL LEAD TO WHAT YOU HAVE PUBLICLY SAID IS YOUR ULTIMATE GOAL TO HAVE EVERYBODY AT THE CURB. SO NO TO ANY TRANSITIONING FOR ME, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. BUT I WOULD LIKE THE MANAGER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET INFORMATION ABOUT NUMBER ONE OUTSOURCING AND TWO, ALLOWING NEIGHBORHOODS TO OPT OUT SHOULD THIS GO FORWARD. AND I'M ASSUMING IT SOMEHOW WILL BECAUSE IT KEEPS COMING BACK. I MEAN, TO TO THE SPEAKER'S POINT, WE'VE NEVER HAD A SURVEY THAT SAID 93% OF PEOPLE AGREE ON ANYTHING. ANYTHING. SO DON'T CLAP. SO THE NEXT THING IS THE PURCHASING OF TRUCKS THAT FIT ALLEYS. THAT'S NOT AN OPTION. YOU KNOW, YOU SAID AGAIN IN 2024 THAT THE TRUCKS ARE 9.5FT. [01:00:03] WELL, WHO PURCHASED THE 9.5FT WIDE TRUCK WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAD EIGHT FOOT AND NINE FOOT ALLEYS. NOW MY DISTRICT IS MOSTLY TEN FOOT ALLEYS BECAUSE WE'RE YOUNGER. BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, THERE'S STILL RUTS IN OURS. I MEAN, THAT'S TRUE, BUT WHY? AND I THINK THE ANSWER YOU GAVE AT THE TIME WAS, WELL, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE MORE TRUCKS. AND THERE C-CAP TO CONSIDER. AND I WOULD SAY THERE'S ELECTRIC TRUCKS AVAILABLE. AND MAYBE WE NEED TO RETHINK HOW WE'RE DOING THIS, BUT IT'S STILL AN OPTION THAT WASN'T PRESENTED AS ONE OF THE CHOICES ON 14. ANOTHER ONE IS WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT LIKE THE BIG PICTURE. WE'RE STILL ALLOWING NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS TO GO IN THAT HAVE AN ALLEYWAY. WHAT'S THE ALLEYWAY WITH THAT WE REQUIRE? I HOPE IT'S AT LEAST TEN FEET. OR MAYBE WE SAY, GUESS WHAT? YOU CAN'T BUILD A HOUSE IN DALLAS ANYMORE WITH AN ALLEY. YOU HAVE TO HAVE ONLY FRONT ENTRY. BUT WHY WOULD WE BE PERPETUATING THIS PROBLEM? WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR CODE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS THAT CONSIDERATION. BUT ALSO, I MEAN, ARE WE REALLY LOOKING AT WHERE WILL THE CANS GO AND HOW WILL SANITATION BE PICKED UP WHEN WE ARE APPROVING NEW HOMES? I HOPE WE ARE. THE NEXT THING I'M GOING TO SAY IS THIS INSISTENCE BY CITY HALL, WHEN YOU HAVE CONTINUED PUSHBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, REALLY SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT A TONE DEAFNESS. AND SECOND, I THINK THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO APPROVE ANY KIND OF CHANGE. THIS SHOULD NOT BE A MANAGEMENT DECISION. THANK YOU. SO IF I CAN JUST RESPOND TO ONE ONE THING THERE REGARDING THE TRUCKS AND THE SIZE OF THE TRUCKS. SO AT THE TIME, THESE EIGHT AND NINE FOOT WIDE ALLEYS WERE CONSTRUCTED FEDERAL COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE REGULATIONS LIMITED THE WIDTH TO LESS THAN EIGHT FEET WIDE, SO THE TRUCKS OF THE TIME FIT THE ALLEYWAYS THAT WERE CONSTRUCTED BEGINNING IN THE 1980S. THOSE FEDERAL REGULATIONS CHANGED TO ALLOW TRUCKS TO BE CONSTRUCTED WIDER, AND SO ALL MANUFACTURERS BEGAN CONSTRUCTING TRUCKS WIDER. SO BY THE EARLY 1990S, THE CITY'S FLEET WAS TURNING OVER AND NEW TRUCKS WERE WIDER. IT'S NOT SOME CONSCIOUS DECISION THAT A PREVIOUS DIRECTOR MADE. THAT'S THE STANDARD THAT BECAME THE STANDARD SIZED TRUCK. TRUCKS THAT ARE NARROWER ARE ONLY A FEW INCHES NARROWER, BUT THEY HAVE HALF THE CAPACITY OF A STANDARD SIZED GARBAGE TRUCK. SO IF WE SWITCH THESE TRUCKS, THEN WE'RE DOUBLING THE NUMBER OF TRUCKS REQUIRED TO DO THE WORK IN THESE AREAS, WHICH DOUBLES THE STAFF. IT DOUBLES THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON THE BACK OF THE TRUCKS. IT IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO. BUT REALISTICALLY, IN TERMS OF THE COST TO DO THAT THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES OF FINDING A PLACE TO PARK THESE TRUCKS AND MAINTAIN THESE TRUCKS AND ADDING MECHANICS HAS NOT SHOWN TO BE A FEASIBLE PATH FORWARD. SO, CHAIRMAN GRACEY, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR GOING BACK AND AND KIND OF DOING THAT SECOND PASS, THIRD PASS TO THE COMMUNITY. GIVEN THE TOPOGRAPHY OF, OF DISTRICT THREE, AND I'M STILL A LITTLE TRAUMATIZED OVER THE ICE AND TRYING TO GET AROUND. BUT THANK YOU FOR FOR DOING THAT. I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS, AND IT REALLY JUST CENTERED AROUND REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SAFETY RISK, PROPERTY DAMAGE AND COST. SO THE FIRST QUESTION IN THAT ENTIRE AREA DO WE HAVE? BECAUSE I'M A VISUAL PERSON, DO WE HAVE AND YOU MAY HAVE DONE IT. I APOLOGIZE WHEN I GET THESE QUESTIONS TO YOU SOONER TOO, BUT DO WE HAVE AN AREA MAP OF WHERE THOSE THE MOST THE INCIDENTS OCCUR? I'M STARTING WITH THE INCIDENCES FIRST. YES. AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS SHARED. SHARED. IT'S BEEN A, IT'S BEEN QUITE A WHILE AGO. YEAH. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DIG IT UP. BUT. AND WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT IS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ALLEY VERSUS CURB PICKUP, THE FIRST THING IS WHAT PERCENTAGES OF INCIDENCES OCCUR IN THE ALLEY COMPARED TO ON THE STREET. YEAH. SO LET ME FIRST REMIND EVERYONE THAT ALLEY COLLECTION REPRESENTS 37% OF OUR COLLECTION POINTS. BUT IT MAKES UP 58% OF OUR OUR DAMAGE REPORTS. OKAY. PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. SO AND THEN IN THE 58% OF THE DAMAGE OF THAT KIND OF BOX [01:05:06] WHICH AREAS. AND IF YOU JUST USE OPTION ONE, WHICH AREAS THEN HOW DOES THAT NARROW THAT DOWN. YEAH. DO YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING? I DO I CAN WORK TOWARDS AN ANSWER FOR YOU ON THAT. AND AND I APOLOGIZE. WELL, NO, THAT'S THAT'S GREAT. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DAMAGE, WHEN WE BREAK OUT THE PERCENT OF DAMAGE BY ALLEYS THAT ARE TEN FEET OR GREATER OR NINE FEET OR LESS, WE DO SEE ALMOST 60% OF THE DAMAGE OCCURS IN THOSE ALLEYS THAT ARE NINE FEET WIDE OR LESS. SO HENCE WHY WE'VE WE'VE REALLY STEERED TOWARDS THE NARROWER ALLEYS. OKAY. AND THEN IS THERE A A RATING OR AN INCIDENT RATE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. MEANING IF WE WERE TO GO WITH OPTION ONE. BUY. HOW MUCH DOES YOUR INCIDENCE DECREASE? YEAH. THAT IS NOT A METRIC I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING, I THINK THAT WE COULD PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND AND OKAY. AND AGAIN, I AND I HAVE TO KEEP SAYING THIS PUBLICLY BECAUSE I GET I DIDN'T GET THESE QUESTIONS TO YOU TO GIVE YOU TIME TO, TO RESEARCH THAT. BUT WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS WE HAVE THESE OPTIONS BEFORE US. AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS IS SAFETY, RISK, PROPERTY DAMAGE AND COST. SO EVEN IF WE GO WITH OPTION ONE OR WE WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS IF WE KEEP EVERYTHING THE SAME, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S THESE SAME ISSUES THAT ARE THERE. IF WE GO WITH OPTION ONE, BY HOW MUCH DOES THE RISK DAMAGE AND COSTS GET REDUCED? IF WE GO WITH OPTION TWO, WHAT'S THE THE METRICS? THAT'S WHAT I WAS HOPING TO SEE THE SAVINGS, THE RISK REDUCTIONS AND ALL OF THAT IN BETWEEN EACH OPTION. YEAH. AND IS IT SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH FOR US TO EVEN BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION? WELL, OPTION ONE IS APPROXIMATELY A QUARTER OF THOSE ALLEYWAY CUSTOMERS. SO JUST A, YOU KNOW, BACK OF THE NAPKIN, I WOULD ASSUME THAT WOULD HAVE AFFECT THE INCIDENT RATE BY A SIMILAR, SIMILAR NUMBER. OKAY. BUT AGAIN, ANY ANY TRANSITION, ANY LEVEL OF TRANSITION THAT WE MAY GO WITH HERE REMOVES CREWS FROM THOSE CONSTRAINED ALLEYS AND HIGH RISK SITUATIONS. SO ANY OPTION CHOOSE ONE, 2 OR 3 PROVIDES A BENEFIT TO, TO OUR WORKERS IN, IN THESE ENVIRONMENTS. OKAY. AND THEN OF THE INCIDENCES THAT HAPPENED, HOW MANY OF THEM WERE RESULTS OF, YOU KNOW, THE ALLEYS BEING TOO SMALL VERSUS, YOU KNOW, BEING, YOU KNOW, STAFF, THE DRIVER OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE? IS THAT DO WE HAVE THE NUMBERS AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE. SO BECAUSE THE PAVEMENT IS NARROWER THAN THE TRUCK, AND WHEN YOU TAKE THE TRUCK WIDTH OF EIGHT FEET WIDE, THE ROLL CART DEPTH OF THREE FEET WIDE. THE FACT THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE A FOOT AND A HALF OFF OF, YOU KNOW, THE BACK FENCE, ALL THAT ADDS UP TO MORE THAN THE WIDTH OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS GENERALLY 15FT. SO I WOULD SAY EVERY INCIDENT THAT OCCURS IN ONE OF THESE NARROW ALLEYS IS BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE ALLEY IN THE FIRST PLACE. NOW YOU CAN DRILL DOWN INTO THAT FURTHER. BUT IT ALL STARTS WITH THE FACT THAT THEY'RE WORKING IN A, IN A CONDITION THAT IS, YOU KNOW, SO CONFINED. SURE. OKAY. AND THEN STILL ON INCIDENCES COMPARED TO ALLEYS VERSUS STREET CURBSIDE INCIDENCES, WHAT IS THE DOLLAR VALUE THAT IT'S COST THE CITY. DO WE HAVE THAT LIKE. BECAUSE TO ME IT SEEMS LIKE IF AN INCIDENT OCCURS, IF AN INCIDENT OCCURS ON A STREET, THE DAMAGE THE PROPERTY DAMAGE RISK IS HIGHER THAN IT WOULD BE FIXING A FENCE OR PATCHING UP SOME GRASS OR SOMETHING. SO WHEN WE OPERATE FROM THE STREET, WE DO FROM TIME TO TIME HIT PARKED CARS AND MAILBOXES. IT HAPPENS ANY DAY. I WOULD RATHER HIT A PARKED CAR OR MAILBOX THAN I WOULD A UTILITY POLES, UTILITY WIRES, OR GAS METERS. SO AND THAT THAT HAPPENS. IS THERE A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? DO WE DO WE KNOW WHAT THE COST WOULD BE COMPARED? I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING BECAUSE AGAIN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SAFETY RISK, PROPERTY DAMAGE COST. AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF WE TRANSITION HERE. DOES THAT IF WE IF WE WERE TO GO ALL CURB LIKE YOU'RE PROPOSING, DOES THAT INCREASE OUR RISK OF PROPERTY DAMAGE AND ALL OF THAT AND THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? RIGHT. I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC COST NUMBER IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT I AGAIN, I WOULD POINT TO THAT WHILE 63% OF OUR COLLECTION POINTS ARE AT THE CURB, RIGHT. THOSE ONLY MAKE UP 26% OF OUR DAMAGE REPORTS. SO. OKAY, SO MOVING MOVING THOSE COLLECTION POINTS FROM ALI TO CURB IS GOING TO HAVE A REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF DAMAGES THAT ARE HAPPENING. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION THIS WAS KIND OF RANDOM, BUT I THINK MY COLLEAGUE MISS MENDELSOHN SAID SOMETHING ABOUT IT. [01:10:04] BUT WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE BOND PLANNING THE BOND PROGRAM PLANNING PROCESS AND WE'RE CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, ALLEYS BECAUSE THAT'S IN, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE ALLEYS ARE INCLUDED. ARE THERE CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE SHARED WITH IN TERMS OF KIND OF IF THERE ARE DISTRICTS THAT WANT ALLEY RECONSTRUCTION AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS, ARE THOSE CONVERSATIONS FACTORED IN? DO YOU ALL TALK ABOUT THAT? AND IF IF I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY FROM BOND OFFICES HERE OR NOT. BUT I WAS GOING TO SAY, I THINK WE NEED SOMEBODY FROM THE BOND OFFICE TO ADDRESS THAT. I WOULD JUST POINT OUT AGAIN THAT THE THE UNDERLYING ISSUE IS THE WIDTH OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, NOT JUST THE WIDTH OF THE PAVEMENT. SO WE CAN RECONSTRUCT, WE CAN RECONSTRUCT THE PAVEMENT, BUT THE PROBLEM IS STILL GOING TO BE THERE. ALL RIGHT. FAIR ENOUGH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER ROTH. THANK YOU. A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON IN YOUR PRESENTATION. YOU'VE GOT A FOOTNOTE THAT SAYS THAT EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO THE ALLEY SERVICE CRITERIA, AND IT'S SORT OF BAKED IN, IN, IN LITTLE PRINT AT THE VERY BOTTOM, SO THAT IN THAT ALLEY SERVICE CRITERIA SEEMS TO PROVIDE A LOT OF AUTHORITY BY THE DIRECTOR OF SANITATION TO CONTROL WHO CAN USE THEIR ALLEYS AND NOT ONE OF THE THE PARTICULAR SENTENCES IN THERE SAYS THAT ONE OF THE CRITERIA IS, IS THAT THE SANITATION CAN SAFELY AND EFFICIENTLY PROVIDE SERVICE IN ALLEYWAYS THAT ARE WELL MAINTAINED AND MEET CURRENT DESIGN STANDARDS. STANDARDS. THE ALLEYS THAT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, FOR THE MOST PART, ARE ALLEYS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN MAINTAINED. AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT CODE VIOLATIONS FOR FOR TREES AND STUFF. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RUTS PAVEMENT NOT BEING THERE REALLY ALLEYS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN MAINTAINED. AND I THINK THAT THAT ALLEY SERVICE CRITERIA NEEDS TO BE MODIFIED AND RELOOKED AT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER DIRECTION THAT THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT IS IMPOSING ON OUR RESIDENTS IS A VIABLE, PRACTICAL AND LOGICAL RESPONSE TO A NEED. SO I THINK THAT SOME OF OUR COUNCIL FOLKS HAVE ALREADY IDENTIFIED THAT THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT THE RESIDENTS DID NOT CREATE. THIS WAS A THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT THE CITY CREATED. IF WE'RE NOT MAINTAINING THE ALLEYS, THAT'S SHAME ON US IF WE'RE GETTING THE WRONG KIND OF TRUCKS. SHAME ON US. THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED AND NEEDS TO BE FIGURED OUT BY THE THING. AND THERE SHOULD BE ALTERNATES. WE'VE I'M NOT GOING TO REHASH THE ISSUES, BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE A MORE CREATIVE SOLUTION COMING OUT OF THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT. THAT DOES NOT PUT THE BURDEN OF FIXING THIS PROBLEM ON OUR RESIDENTS. EITHER COST WISE, PHYSICAL WISE, OR EMOTIONAL. WE AND I THINK THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND, IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE ALLEY SERVICE CRITERIA DEFINITION? I'M SORRY, WHAT WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION REGARDING THE ALLEY SERVICE? THAT THE ALLEYWAYS ARE WELL MAINTAINED TO MEET CURRENT DESIGN STANDARDS? I BELIEVE IT SAYS SANITATION WILL WILL SERVICE ALLEYS THAT THAT ARE WELL MAINTAINED AND MEET CURRENT DESIGN STANDARDS. FOURTH LINE DOWN. YEAH. SO THAT CURRENT DESIGN STANDARDS ARE TEN FEET PAVEMENT, 15FT RIGHT OF WAY. BUT WE ALSO SAY THAT FOR THOSE AREAS THAT WE ARE SERVING THAT DO NOT MEET THAT CURRENT DESIGN STANDARD OR MAINTENANCE, WE WILL CONTINUE WORKING IN THEM UNTIL THERE IS AN INCIDENT OR REPEATED DAMAGE. SO THE ALLEY SERVICE CRITERIA IS SORT OF A REACTIVE APPROACH TO IN RESPONSE TO INCIDENTS AND INJURIES, WHEREAS WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS WHERE WE CAN BEFORE, BEFORE THOSE INCIDENTS OCCUR IN ALL IN EACH OF YOUR SUGGESTED ALTERNATIVES. THERE'S A MODIFICATION THAT SAYS THAT IN EACH OF THOSE CASES, THERE WILL BE A COST INCREASE FOR ALL ALLI CUSTOMERS UNDER EVERY EVERY ONE OF YOUR SUGGESTIONS WILL STILL IMPOSE AN ADDITIONAL SURCHARGE TO THE ALLI CUSTOMERS. SET YOUR YOUR RECOMMENDATION SO THAT THAT WILL BE BROUGHT. A TIERED RATE PROPOSAL WILL BE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL. AT THIS POINT WE KNOW BASED ON OUR CURRENT OPERATING PRACTICES THAT ALLI COLLECTION COSTS MORE. [01:15:03] SO A FEE ANALYSIS WILL BE DONE TO DETERMINE EXACTLY WHAT THAT COST IS. SO THAT THE COUNCIL CONSIDER THAT AS PART OF THE FY 27 BUDGET. WOULD THERE BE ANY CONSIDERATION THE FACT THAT PROPERTY VALUES ARE MOST OF OUR CITIZENS ARE PAYING REAL ESTATE TAXES. MOST OF OUR REVENUE IS COMING FROM REAL ESTATE TAXES. MOST OF THE VALUATION AND REAL ESTATE TAXES IS COMING FROM THE FACT THAT OUR PROPERTIES ARE INCREASED IN VALUE. SEEMS TO ME THAT IF A PERSON IS PAYING A LOT OF PROPERTY TAXES BECAUSE THEIR PROPERTY IS WORTH A LOT, THAT THEY ARE IN FACT ALREADY PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE, IF NOT THEIR MORE SHARE IN, IN PROVIDING THE, THE REVENUE FOR THE CITY TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE TO THEM. AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT AN ADDITIONAL TAX, AN ADDITIONAL SURCHARGE ON A RESIDENT THAT'S ALREADY PAYING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PROPERTY TAXES IS APPROPRIATE. AND AND WE ARE, IN ADDITION, ALREADY PAYING A SANITATION FEE BESIDES. SO I WOULD SERIOUSLY REQUEST THAT IN YOUR EVALUATION OF THESE FEES THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT THIS IS NOT A, THAT THIS DOES NOT BECOME A DOUBLE TAXATION ON ANY OF OUR RESIDENTS. THE THIS IS THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR RIGHT NOW, BUT I AM GOING TO SPEAK AGAIN LATER. CAN I? CITY MANAGER. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MR. COUNCILMAN, I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND YOUR THE VERY END OF YOUR COMMENTS. THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT, AS YOU KNOW, IS A CONSIDERED A SEPARATE ENTERPRISE FUND AND WE PAY FOR BASED ON THE COST OF THAT SERVICE. IT IS NOT BACKED BY ANY OF THE REVENUES THAT WE COLLECT THROUGH PROPERTY TAXES. BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I WAS CLEAR THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT ANY TYPE OF OPERATIONAL CHANGES WITHIN THIS SYSTEM OR WITHIN ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT, THERE IS A COST, AND WE HAVE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO CALCULATE AND TRULY DETERMINE WHAT THAT COST IS. IF THE GOAL IS TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW FOR HOURLY SERVICE COLLECTION, AND WE KNOW HOW IT'S DRIVING SOME OF THE THE CHALLENGES WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A TIERED STRUCTURE, WHICH WE'VE HEARD, OKAY, WE'LL LET PEOPLE PAY FOR IT IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT. IT IS STILL A SYSTEM. IT'S NOT A ONE OFF. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE CALCULATED AS PART OF THE OVERALL SYSTEM OF HOW WE DELIVER THE SERVICES WITHIN THAT DEPARTMENT. BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTOOD YOUR COMMENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION. AND COUNCILMEMBER ROTH WE'LL GO TO ROUND TWO. OKAY. OH. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CLARIFICATION. COUNCILMEMBER BLACKMON, THANK YOU. AND THANKS TO EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE. AND CLIFF, THANKS FOR ENDURING ALL THIS. I THINK WE KIND OF SET IT OFF. HAS IT BEEN TWO YEARS AGO? SO I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, BECAUSE THAT MEETING WAS NOT EASY. AND AND Y'ALL REALLY WORKED THROUGH IT. SO THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR QUITE A BIT. SO MY QUESTION IS KIND OF AROUND EFFICIENCIES BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN CHARGED WITH EFFICIENCY. WE HAVE A COMMITTEE ON EFFICIENCY. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT EFFICIENCIES, AND YOU'VE REALLY BROUGHT US WHAT YOU THINK, IN YOUR BEST PROFESSIONAL OPINION IS A WAY TO CREATE MORE EFFICIENCIES. IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? YES, MA'AM. OKAY, SO BEATING UP ON CLIFF IS NOT THE. IT'S ABOUT THE EFFICIENCIES. WE'VE ASKED HIM TO DO THIS. WE'VE ASKED STAFF TO DO THIS. SO I APPLAUD YOU FOR BEING CREATIVE AND ASKING US TO HELP YOU BE CREATIVE, BECAUSE IT IS ALWAYS TOUGH WHEN YOU HAVE 15 DIFFERENT OPINIONS. SO ON WITH EFFICIENCY KIND OF TALKING WHAT THIS OPTION FIVE I THINK WITH AN OUTSOURCING HOWEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, HAS THAT BEEN CONSIDERED IN THIS DISCUSSION IS SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, THESE ARE ALLEYS. YOU'VE ELECTED TO DO IT. AND HERE'S WHERE YOU GO TO GET THAT NEED MET. YEAH. IT CAN CERTAINLY BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE R&D THAT WE DO MOVING FORWARD. MY MY CONCERN THAT WOULD NEED TO BE STUDIED IS SOLID WASTE SERVICES IS A IS A UTILITY SERVICE. IT WORKS BEST WHEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, PROVIDED CONSISTENTLY IN A UNIFORM MANNER AND PEELING, PEELING CERTAIN CUSTOMERS OFF TO RECEIVE A HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE. I NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IMPACTS TO EVERYONE ELSE ARE. AND SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS DOES THAT MEAN, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T HAVE A DIFFERENT CAN YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT COST RECOVERY FOR A DIFFERENT [01:20:02] SERVICE? I KNOW IT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT IN THE BILLING AND CUSTOMER SERVICE. AND I MEAN, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THREE DIFFERENT TIERS, BUT IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT A CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS A CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE AND A CUSTOMER REQUEST BUT THEN HOW? I MEAN, CAN YOU DO THREE AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT IT COSTS AND THIS IS FULL RECOVERY BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS FULL RECOVERY COSTS, BECAUSE YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE IS SUBSIDIES HAPPENING ACROSS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE PAY FOR AN EXTRA. AND THAT'S A LOT OF IT IN MY DISTRICT. BUT I'M TRYING TO GET THE CUSTOMER WHAT THEY WANT. AND IF THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT, THEN MEET THEM HALFWAY IN. JUST, I MEAN, AND I GET THE WHOLE UTILITY IN HAVING TIERS BECAUSE IT DOES SKEW IT MAKES IT A LOT MORE DIFFICULT. RIGHT? I AGAIN, I WOULD JUST SAY I THINK THAT INVOLVES A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT DON'T COME IMMEDIATELY TO MIND IN TERMS OF WHAT THE OTHER COSTS IMPACT COULD BE, NOT JUST THROUGH THE SANITATION ENTERPRISE FUND, BUT ELSE, YOU KNOW, OTHER OTHER AREAS. THAT'S FAIR. OKAY. WHEN YOU TALK, OKAY. GOING BACK TO EFFICIENCIES AND OPTION ONE, I KIND OF DO AGREE WITH WHAT MR. GRACEY IS SAYING THE MAN IS THAT WE NEED TO QUANTIFY SOME OF THIS. IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EFFICIENCIES WHERE AND YOU'VE GIVEN US NUMBERS AND PERCENTAGES, BUT WHAT IS THAT IN REAL DOLLARS? BECAUSE I THINK WHEN YOU HEAR IT IN REAL DOLLARS AND MAYBE LIVES, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING A HAND LOST OR WHATEVER, YOU REALLY PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO TO, TO, TO UNDERSTAND HERE. OH, WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T NEED A, I DON'T I MEAN, THAT'S JUST A THOUGHT. BUT GOING BACK TO SO LIKE OPTION ONE, TWO AND THREE AND FOUR ALSO UNDERSTANDING WHEN YOU GO BACK TO THE LOCATIONS, WHAT LOCATIONS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT TOO. IS THERE A LIKE YOU HAVE 10,000 LOCATIONS AND I'M SURE YOU'VE DONE THAT. YOU'VE RUN THOSE NUMBERS. NOT IN EVERY CASE, NO. SO WE THE OPTION ONE THAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE? THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION. OPTIONS TWO AND THREE. WE'RE REALLY WAITING TO SEE SORT OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE, THAT WE GET TODAY BECAUSE THESE THIS DATA SURVEY DATA WE JUST GOT LAST WEEK AND WE WANT, WE NEED TO DRILL DOWN INTO THE ROOT LEVEL, WHICH WE WORK OVER 500 ROOTS. SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE TIME TO TO SEE WHICH AREAS THAT WILL IMPACT. OKAY. COUNCIL. GO AHEAD. COUNCILWOMAN. BLACKMON. IF I MAY MAYOR. THAT'S THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT WE DEFINITELY WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PRESENT. I THINK JUST BASED ON THE SURVEY DATA, WE WERE TRYING TO SHOW THAT IF WE BEGIN SOME LEVEL OF TRANSITION WITHIN THOSE TWO OPTIONS, WHAT COULD BE THE POTENTIAL IMPACTED NUMBER OF OF HOUSES THAT WE WOULD HAVE IN EACH OF THOSE MODELS? BUT DRILLING DOWN TO WHERE THOSE ROOTS ARE BY DISTRICT ACROSS THE CITY WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO. SO WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT TODAY, BECAUSE IF IT'S 94 HOUSEHOLDS AND YOU'RE LOOKING TO AFFECT 10,000. THAT'S ONLY A NINTH, RIGHT? I MEAN, SO THAT'S THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT GOING TO BE WORTH THE SQUEEZE, ANY LEVEL OF TRANSITION THAT THAT GETS THESE WORKERS OUT OF THE CRITICAL LOCATIONS? AND I WOULD YEAH. AND I WOULD SAY THAT YOU ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THE CRITICAL ONES. OKAY. FIRST, I MEAN, BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE HARM TO INDIVIDUALS IS THE MOST WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO PUT THAT IN ANYBODY'S ON ANYBODY'S CONSCIENCE. AND THEN ALSO TO THEN TO PROPERTY BACK TO THE ALLEY CONDITIONS. CAN YOU EXPLAIN AGAIN THE RESPONSIBILITY RELATIONSHIP AND WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT ON ALLEYS. WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT, WELL, YOU KNOW, CITY OF DALLAS OR WHATEVER. AND SO I'M JUST AND THAT IS A KEY ELEMENT OF THE SCORING, IF YOU WILL, IS ALLEY CONDITIONS. CAN YOU REFRESH ME? SO THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RIGHT FOR ITS RIGHT OF WAY? I BELIEVE THERE IS I'M LOOKING TO SEE IF TRANSPORTATION OR SOMEONE IS HERE TO TO TELL US HOW THOSE ALLEYWAYS OR HOW PAVEMENT CONDITIONS ARE RANKED. THOSE THINGS OBVIOUSLY VEGETATION RESIDENTS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR VEGETATION IN THEIR BACKYARDS. SO, OKAY, SO IT'S A IT'S A, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A THE PAVEMENT IS THE CITY OUTSIDE OF THAT. IT'S REALLY THE PROPERTY OWNER. RIGHT. OKAY. AGAIN. BUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE. RIGHT. SO IT'S A PARTNERSHIP AND MAKING SURE, OKAY, THE RIGHT OF WAY DOES EXTEND BEYOND JUST THE PAVEMENT THOUGH. SO. AND OKAY, THAT'S FAIR TO SAY. AND THEN I GUESS LASTLY ON ALL THIS IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP AND YOU GIVE US YOU KNOW, PERCENTAGES, CAN YOU ALSO GIVE US LIKE ON THE THE ONE ABOUT THE RESPONSE, CAN YOU ALSO GIVE US WHOLE NUMBERS OR CAN YOU JUST SEND ME WHOLE NUMBERS BECAUSE TO SEE [01:25:03] LIKE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, 30% OF 100 IS NOT THE SAME AS 30% OF 1000, DOES THAT MEAN. SO I JUST TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT THERE, I GUESS. DID YOU WANT TO RESPOND? OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. IF WE COULD JUST HAVE MR. COUNCILWOMAN BLACKMON HAD THE QUESTION ABOUT RESPONSIBILITIES WHEN IT COMES TO THE ALLEYWAY CONDITIONS. WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD THE RESPONSE FROM TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS ON RESPONSIBILITY. GOOD MORNING. GUS MCCARTY, DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. PUBLIC WORKS. YES. WE ASSIST THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT WITH THE MAINTENANCE OF THESE ALLEYS AS NEEDED. IS THAT OKAY? AND FINALLY, ON THE LAST QUESTION, REFRESH MY MEMORY TWO OF DECISION MAKING IN THIS PROCESS, BECAUSE IS THIS NOT CONSIDERED A MANAGERIAL AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A POLICY? I'M JUST WANTING TO REFRESH EVERYBODY THAT THIS IS AN EXTRA STEP THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO TAKE. AND SO WE DON'T NEED TO BEAT UP THE MESSENGER. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. AGAIN, THIS IS THE DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS OF THE OF THE PROGRAMS ACROSS THE CITY. AND SO IT IS AN OPERATIONAL DECISION. BUT WE WANTED TO NUMBER ONE, LISTEN. WE KNOW THAT SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST IN BEING MORE INTENTIONAL ABOUT HOW WE WERE APPROACHING EVEN THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. AND I WILL HAVE TO SAY THIS PUBLICLY I AM NOT THE FIRST CITY MANAGER WHERE THIS SUBJECT HAS COME UP, AND I WILL PROBABLY NOT BE THE LAST. THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING DISCUSSION OVER YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS ABOUT APPROACHES AND THE BEST WAY TO WORK THROUGH A VERY COMPLICATED ISSUE. BUT THIS IS AN OPERATIONAL DECISION. THANK YOU. AND I DO WANT TO THANK YOU AGAIN AND THANK EVERYBODY FOR GETTING THE FEEDBACK AND TRYING TO COME TO A MIDDLE GROUND. IT'S NOT BEEN EASY AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING CONTINUE TO BE EASY. BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE, ALL OF YOU ALL, AND HAVING A CIVIL CONVERSATION AROUND SOLUTIONS. THANK YOU. CHAIR STEWART, YOU'VE GOT FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, LET'S START WITH THE THANK YOUS. CLIFF, I DO APPRECIATE YOUR WORK ON THIS AND CERTAINLY IN DISTRICT TEN, YOU'VE BEEN WILLING TO GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY. WE'VE WALKED AN ALLEY OR TWO TOGETHER. AND I KNOW THAT'S THAT'S A LOT OF WORK ON YOUR PART. I KNOW YOU'VE DONE THAT ACROSS THE CITY, AND I DO APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS ON THAT. I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THE REDUCTION IN THE EMISSIONS FROM THE LANDFILL THAT WE DISCOVERED IN OUR DT MEETING, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY OFF TOPIC. AND I COULD GET CORRECTED FOR THAT. BUT THERE WAS A 28% REDUCTION IN GREENHOUSE GASES, GASES COMING FROM THE LANDFILL. AND THAT'S A HUGE WIN. OKAY. BACK ON TRASH OR TRASH PICKUP. SO WHAT WE ARE USUALLY AND VERY OFTEN DOING AROUND THIS HORSESHOE IS BALANCING DIFFERENT INTERESTS. AND SO WE ARE BALANCING THE RISK OF INJURY TO WORKERS AND PROPERTY DAMAGE AND OPERATIONAL CONCERNS WITH WHAT IS WORKABLE RIGHT. WORKABLE FOR OUR RESIDENTS. AND SO I TAKE THAT TO JUST MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE IN TERMS OF TAKING THE TRASH OUT, BECAUSE I'M KIND OF THE ONE IN MY HOUSE WHO DOES IT, I'D SAY 69% OF THE TIME. ROB IS DEFINITELY IN THERE AS WELL. BUT WE'VE OWNED FIVE HOUSES IN DISTRICT TEN. IN THE 40 OVER 40 YEARS WE'VE LIVED THERE. TWO OF THEM WERE CURBSIDE PICKUP. SO FOR 24 YEARS, WE'VE TAKEN OUR TRASH FROM OUR GARAGE AREA DOWN THE DRIVE DOWN THE FRONT DRIVEWAY TO THE CURB. AND THAT IS NOT A BAD OPTION. I HAVE LIKE I SAID, IT'S BEEN I'VE DONE THAT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. WHEN YOU HAVE A FRONT DRIVEWAY WHERE THE ELEVATION IS FAIRLY FLAT, IT IS NOT TERRIBLY DIFFERENT THAN TAKING IT FROM YOUR. AGAIN, WE TAKE IT FROM OUR GARAGE TO OUR ALLEY NOW, BUT THERE IS AN INCLINE NOW TO THE ALLEY, AND I FIND IT HARDER RIGHT NOW TO TAKE IT TO THE ALLEY THAN I DID TAKING IT TO THE CURB. AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE INCLINE THAT I NOW HAVE IN OUR CURRENT HOME. SO FOR ME, IT IS PATH OF TRAVEL. IF YOU CAN TAKE IT ON A FLAT SURFACE FROM YOUR HOME TO EITHER THE ALLEY OR THE CURB, THAT IS WORKABLE. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GETTING TO THE 10,000 OPTION TO YOU'VE GOT 10,000 HOUSEHOLDS THAT WERE THE STREETS ARE 100% FRONT ENTRY. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. AND ALSO LOOKING AT THE DRIVEWAY, DRIVEWAY LENGTH AS WELL. WE LOOKED AT DRIVEWAY FOR THE 63% OF THE CITY THAT WE'RE ALREADY COLLECTING FROM THE CURB. WHAT SORT OF THE NORM IN TERMS OF HOW FAR THEY'VE GOT TO, YOU KNOW, GET IT FROM THE HOUSE TO THE CURB? SO THAT'S WHERE WE WERE HONING IN ON SORT OF THAT 50FT LONG, 50FT. [01:30:04] AND I GUESS IT'S PROBABLY DIFFICULT TO TAKE EVERYBODY'S INCLINE INTO ACCOUNT. BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT IF A STREET CAME TO YOU AND SAID, GOSH, YES, WE HAVE THE 50FT, YES, WE'RE FRONT DRIVEWAYS 100%, BUT OUR INCLINES ARE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTFUL THAT YOU ALL WOULD RECONSIDER. YES. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DEFINITELY FACTORS INTO THAT. AND THAT'S CERTAINLY A KNOWN ISSUE IN CERTAIN AREAS OF TOWN. OKAY. SO I THINK YOU HAVE TO GET INTO THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF THIS. AND YOU DO HAVE TO FIND WHAT'S WORKABLE. WORKABLE IS THE KEY WORD HERE. I'M GOING TO BE 68 NEXT MONTH. I NEED WORKABLE AND I UNDERSTAND THAT MY ABILITY TO GET THOSE TRASH CANS UP THE INCLINE NOW, WELL, WE'LL PROBABLY DIMINISH OVER TIME. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR, IS THE BALANCE. I LEAN TOWARDS OPTION TWO, MOSTLY BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A IT'S A TARGETED TRANSITION. WE'RE NOT OPENING UP TO TOO BROAD OF A GROUP, AND WE ARE MAKING SOME PROGRESS IN IN REDUCING OUR EXPOSURE TO THESE OTHER RISKS, ESPECIALLY WORKER INJURY AND PROPERTY DAMAGE. THOSE ARE THOSE ARE OBVIOUSLY THE BIGGEST CONCERNS. SO BUT LET ME JUST ASK YOU ON THE MAP I WAS HAVING TROUBLE DISTINGUISHING. THANK YOU. WHAT? SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE EASTERN DISTRICTS. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FRIDAY AND THURSDAY PICKUPS WHERE THE DARK BLUE AND THE LIGHT BLUE IS THAT AUDELIA THAT SEPARATES THOSE TWO, BECAUSE I KNOW IN DISTRICT TEN, THE AGE OF OUR HOMES REALLY DRAMATICALLY CHANGED BETWEEN EAST AND WEST IN TERMS OF OUR ALLEY WITH I. SO JUST LOOKING AT IT LIKE YOU ARE AND I CAN GET BACK TO YOU. BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S PROBABLY. IS IT PLANO ROAD OR LAKE HIGHLANDS? BUT I THINK IT'S A LITTLE WEST OF PROBABLY. OR. I'M SORRY, EAST OF AUDELIA. IT'S EAST OF. SAY THAT AGAIN. IT WOULDN'T. IT WOULDN'T BE EAST OF PLANO. IT'S EAST OF AUDELIA. EAST OF AUDELIA. IT'S THE NEXT BIG THOROUGHFARE OVER FROM ALGERIA. AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF FRONT DRIVEWAYS, REALLY FLAT ELEVATION. AND I'VE HAD LESS CONCERN FROM THERE. SO THE DARKER BLUE WHERE I'VE HAD A HIGHER RESPONSE RATE ARE THE WIDER ALLEYS ARE THE NINE AND TEN FOOT ALLEYS THAT WHERE THIS IS NOT GOING TO NECESSARILY IMPACT. EXACTLY. IT'S JUST INTERESTING TO ME THAT THE THOSE WITH THE WIDER ALLEYS RESPONDED MORE FREQUENTLY. SORRY, I KNOW MY TIME'S UP. THAN THE ONES WITH THE NO. SO THE SURVEY WASN'T SENT TO THOSE TEN FOOT WIDE ALLEYS. SO THE NUMBERS HERE ARE JUST THE RESPONSES RECEIVED. JUST THE RESPONSES THAT THE NARROW ALLEYS. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO. I WILL START WITH ALSO SOME THANK YOUS. I DO APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S Y'ALL'S WORK ON THIS. I THINK WHENEVER WE'RE LOOKING AT, AT MAKING DRASTIC CHANGES AND QUITE FRANKLY, IF WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS INEFFICIENCIES, DRASTIC IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SEEING AS SOLUTION. WE SHOULD HEAR AN OUTCRY FROM THE PUBLIC BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO IT'S GOING TO CREATE CHANGE. IF THERE WAS THE ABILITY TO ADDRESS HISTORICAL INEFFICIENCIES WITH INCREMENTAL CHANGE, I THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE ALREADY SEEN SOME IMPLEMENTATION. BUT JUST AS OUR CITY MANAGER HAS MENTIONED, THIS HAS TAKEN YEARS TO GET TO THIS PLACE. I THINK THAT IT'S REALLY GOING TO REQUIRE AN ADMINISTRATOR FOR OUR CITY TO JUST MAKE SOME TOUGH DECISIONS. AND THAT'S QUITE FRANKLY, WHY WE PAY YOU THE BIG BUCKS. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SITTING IN THE SEAT THAT YOU ARE AND WHY YOU ARE THE EXECUTIVE OF THE NINTH LARGEST CITY IN OUR COUNTRY. WITH THAT SAID, I DO WANT TO ASK RISK MANAGEMENT IF YOU COULD COME FORWARD BECAUSE IT'S BEEN TOUCHED ON A COUPLE OF TIMES. COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKMON. I THINK THAT THE 58% OF THE DAMAGE REPORTS COMING TO ALLEYWAYS IS IS EYE OPENING. BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE THAT EQUATED TO DOLLARS. AS MENTIONED 60% OF THOSE OF THAT, 58% WAS IN LESS THAN OR NINE FOOT WIDE ALLEYWAYS. CAN YOU ALL GET THAT QUANTIFIED IN, IN, IN DOLLAR AMOUNTS OF WHAT? IT HAS COST US WITH RISK MANAGEMENT AND OUR OWN LIABILITY? YES. AS RHONDA SMITH, THE OFFICE OF RISK MANAGEMENT I WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE TO YOU THIS WEEK HISTORICAL DATA REGARDING SANITATION, WORKERS COMPENSATION AND CITY EQUIPMENT CLAIMS AND AND COSTS. PERFECT. I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DRILL DOWN TO THE SPECIFIC SIZE OF THE ALLEY AND WHERE THE INCIDENT OCCURRED, BUT I CAN GIVE YOU THE OTHER INFORMATION THAT THAT'S GOOD. [01:35:02] I JUST WE CAN INCLUDE IN LIKE MAYBE A FRIDAY MEMO THAT WE GET FROM YOU THIS WEEK. ABSOLUTELY. AND I'M THANKFUL THAT YOU ASKED THE QUESTION, BECAUSE WE DEFINITELY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S BACK TO THE HISTORICAL DATA THAT WE DO HAVE AVAILABLE. BUT ONCE THAT INFORMATION IS PULLED BY THE RISK MANAGEMENT TEAM, BASED ON THE ADDRESSES AND WHERE THOSE INCIDENTS TOOK PLACE, THE SANITATION TEAM CAN THEN COME BACK AND OVERLAY WHAT THE SIZE OF THE ALLEY. SO IF YOU'LL GIVE US THE REST OF THIS WEEK, WE'LL GET THAT DATA FOR YOU AND SEND IT OUT IN A FRIDAY MEMO. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THAT WE FROM MY COLLEAGUE, COUNCILMEMBER ROTH, THAT WE NEED TO AVOID DOUBLE TAXATION. AND I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO CONTINUE TO HIGHLIGHT THE INEQUITY THAT EXISTS HERE. NOW WE HAVE 60% OF OUR CITY WHO ARE SUPPLEMENTALLY PAYING FOR A PREMIER SERVICE THAT A MINORITY OF OUR CITY IS BENEFITING FROM, MANY OF WHOM ARE MY CONSTITUENTS. THE CITY WAS BUILT INEQUITABLY, AND A LOT OF WHAT WE ARE CORRECTING HAS TO DO WITH SHORING UP THOSE INEQUITIES. A LOT OF MY CONSTITUENTS DON'T HAVE ALLEY PICKUP BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T EVER GET AN ALLEY. AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE INEQUITIES OF OUR CITY AND WE LOOK AT WHAT IS BEING SUPPLEMENTED, THOSE WHO DON'T EVEN HAVE AN ALLEY, WHO ARE PAYING WITHIN THIS SANITATION SYSTEM IN ORDER TO SUPPLEMENT THIS PREMIER SERVICE THAT'S A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE FOR NEIGHBORS WHO DO HAVE ALLEY OPTIONS IS ISN'T ISN'T EQUITABLE. AND SO I WAS ALWAYS MORE IN FAVOR OF LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN SEE A MORE FAIR PRICE. HOWEVER, I'M ALSO PRETTY CLEAR THAT IF WE WERE TO GIVE AN INCREASED PRICE OPTION, THAT IT DOES NOTHING TO THE RISK LIABILITY THAT WE HAVE AS A CITY. SO WITH THAT SAID, I WAS JUST LOOKING UP SOME DIFFERENT SERVICES. HAVE YOU ALL SEEN THE DIFFERENT VALET TRASH COLLECTION SERVICES FROM PRIVATE COMPANIES? WHAT TO THE EXTENT HAVE YOU EXPLORED THOSE OPTIONS? SO THE VALET TRASH SERVICES PRIMARILY ARE OPERATING IN THE MULTIFAMILY AREAS OR MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES WHERE THEY'RE GOING, AND RESIDENTS SET THEIR TRASH OUT BY THEIR DOORS. THE VALET COMPANY COMES IN AND PICKS UP THE TRASH AND TAKES THEM TO THE DUMPSTERS ON THE PROPERTY. INTERESTINGLY, WE HAVE EXPLORED THAT YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE TOLD RESIDENTS ABOUT OUR HELPING HANDS PROGRAM AND OUR PACKOUT PROGRAM, WHICH WE GO UP TO THE HOUSE TO, TO PICK UP THE TRASH AND BRING IT TO THE TRUCK. WE DID, AND WE HAVE EXPLORED WHAT INTEREST THERE MAY BE IN COMPANIES THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN PROVIDING THAT ON A ON A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BASIS. IT'S A LITTLE A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE YOU'RE WHEELING THE CART OUT TO THE CURB OR, YOU KNOW, A DESIGNATED COLLECTION POINT. BUT THERE HAS BEEN SOME INTEREST AROUND THAT, AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO EXPLORE THAT AS A POTENTIAL FUTURE OPTION FOR FOR FOLKS. WELL, I SEE SOME THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY ADVERTISED AS FROM HOMES TO CURB. SPECIFICALLY, CAN MONKEY BIN RABBIT HAPPY BINS CLEANING LOOKS LIKE THERE'S AN AVERAGE OF AROUND $100 A MONTH SERVICE, AND THE POINT THAT I'M MAKING IS, I BELIEVE EVEN IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK AT OFFERING CONTRACTUALLY WITH A THIRD PARTY FOR THOSE WHO WOULD NEED IT. IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A PREMIER COST BURDEN FOR A HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE, I BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD GO TO THOSE WHO ARE RECEIVING THE HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE INSTEAD OF THOSE WHO ARE NOT. AND SO I PERSONALLY WOULD, WOULD, WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE HYBRID MODEL, THE MODEL ONE. I THINK THAT THAT IS TRULY THE EXERCISE OF EFFICIENCY. BUT I THINK IN THE SPIRIT OF COMPROMISE AND LOOKING AT BEING MORE, MORE TARGETED, I THINK OPTION TWO IS MORE PALATABLE RIGHT NOW. I ABSOLUTELY IN NO WAY SUPPORT US DOING NOTHING. I THINK THAT IF WE CONTINUE WITH THE STATUS QUO, WE'RE LOOKING AT A PROBLEM IN OUR STARING US IN OUR FACE. AND WE'RE NOT WILLING TO MAKE HARD DECISIONS TO ADDRESS THAT. AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE CAN EXPECT FROM ANY OF THE EXERCISES WE HAVE HERE TO ADDRESS INEFFICIENCIES OF OUR CITY, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE LOOK AT THE HISTORIC INEQUITIES THAT HAVE LED TO THIS. AND WHEN I SEE WHEN I SEE PEOPLE IN SOUTHERN DALLAS PAYING, LIKE I SAID FOR A SERVICE THAT THEY'RE NOT BEING PROVIDED. IT IS ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO ASK WHY? BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS WASN'T DONE BY ACCIDENT. I'LL WAIT FOR ROUND TWO, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER CADENA. I JUST WANT TO THANK BOTH OF YOU ALL FOR YOUR WORK. [01:40:04] I KNOW HAVING RECEIVED PHONE CALLS IN THE PAST WHEN I WORKED FOR COUNCIL MEMBER NARVAEZ, I DID GET PHONE CALLS FROM PEOPLE THAT THE TRUCKS COULD NOT GET DOWN. THERE'S SOMETHING HAPPENED. MAYBE THEIR FENCE GOT HIT OR SOMETHING. AND I'VE WALKED MANY OF THOSE ALLEYWAYS WITH OUR SANITATION DEPARTMENT TO SEE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT Y'ALL HAD. I DID HEAR A LOT OF CONCERN JUST ABOUT THE FRONT, YOU KNOW, TAKING THE TRASH CAN OUT TO THE FRONT. I KNOW MY PARENTS HAVE FRONT YARD TRASH PICKUP. THEY'RE IN THEIR 80S. AND SO I KNOW THAT CAN BE CHALLENGING. AND YOU KIND OF TOUCHED ON THE HELPING HAND PROGRAM. CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT AND LIKE HOW A RESIDENT COULD QUALIFY FOR THAT? YES, MA'AM. THE HELPING HANDS PROGRAM IS IS A NO COST PROGRAM FOR, FOR RESIDENTS WITH MOBILITY ISSUES. OUR CREW, OUR TRUCK WILL STOP IN FRONT OF THE HOME. THEY'LL GO UP TO A PREDETERMINED LOCATION THAT WE'VE AGREED TO WITH THE RESIDENT WHEEL THE CAR TO THE CURB, EMPTY IT, TAKE IT BACK. IT'S IT'S A PHONE CALL TO 311 REQUESTING TO TO ENROLL. OR YOU CAN ALSO DO THAT ONLINE AS WELL. WE HAVE STAFF THAT WORK, WORK WITH RESIDENTS THROUGH THE PROCESS. IT DOES REQUIRE A PHYSICIAN STATEMENT JUST TO CERTIFY THE MOBILITY ISSUE, BUT WE DON'T GET THE DETAILS OF WHAT THAT IS. AND IT'S A IT'S A ONE TIME REQUIREMENT IN TERMS OF THAT PHYSICIAN ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND ABOUT HOW MANY RESIDENTS DO WE HAVE ENROLLED IN THAT PROGRAM? CURRENTLY, IT'S A LITTLE OVER 500. WE DID SEE A LITTLE SPIKE IN INTEREST IN IT, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT OVER THE LAST YEAR. BUT IT'S STILL PRETTY CONSISTENT. AROUND 500. DO WE HAVE A COST ESTIMATE FOR HOW MUCH THAT PROGRAM ACTUALLY COSTS THE CITY? NO, MA'AM, I, I DON'T WHAT I WOULD JUST POINT TO IS WE WE OFFER THE EXACT SAME PROGRAM FOR ANY CUSTOMER THAT WANTS IT. AND THAT'S 100. I BELIEVE IT'S $130 OR IN THAT RANGE A MONTH FOR ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTS TO PARTICIPATE. OKAY. AND THEN I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION. SO I KNOW WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT CONTRACTING. DO WE USE CONTRACT LABOR RIGHT NOW ON THE TRUCKS? YES, MA'AM. SO ON THOSE REAR LOAD TRUCKS IT IS A TEMPORARY INDUSTRIAL LABOR STAFFING AGENCY THAT PROVIDES THAT PERSONNEL. AND WHAT ANY OF THESE PROGRAMS REQUIRE A CHANGE IN THAT. YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, IF WE MAKE THOSE TRANSITIONS OVER TIME, WE WOULD REPLACE PHASE OUT THOSE REAR LOAD TRUCKS THAT WERE NOT NEEDED IN FAVOR OF AUTOMATED EQUIPMENT, WHICH WOULD REDUCE THE NUMBER OF TEMPORARY LABORERS NEEDED. AGAIN, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAPPEN RIGHT AWAY. YEAH. AND THEN WHAT ARE THE AVERAGE WAGES OF OUR SANITATION WORKERS? THE AVERAGE FOR SANITATION FOR THE TRUCK DRIVERS IS 23 AN HOUR. THE LABORERS ON THE BACK OF THE TRUCKS, THAT CONTRACT IS SEVERAL YEARS OLD. THE LIVING WAGE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT IS $15 AND CHANGE AN HOUR. HOWEVER, THAT CONTRACT WILL BE EXPIRING SOON, SO THAT WILL BRING THAT RATE UP TO THE NEW THE CURRENT CITY LIVING WAGE, WHICH WILL, YOU KNOW, BE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE FOR THOSE COSTS. YEAH. WELL, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE PAY OUR WORKERS A LIVING WAGE. I DID NOTICE JUST KIND OF WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA SAID. I MEAN, MY DISTRICT IS THE THIRD LOWEST THAT HAS CUSTOMERS RECEIVING ALI PICKUP. I THINK THE MAJORITY OF MY HOMES ARE UP IN MIDWAY HOLLOW AND ELM THICKET, NORTH PARK WEST DALLAS. THEY WERE ANNEXED REALLY LATE INTO THE CITY, AND THEY THEY HAVE NEVER HAD ALI SERVICE OR PICKUP AND YOU KNOW, AND SO THAT IS A CONCERN OF MINE IS MAKING SURE THAT WE KEEP THEIR RATES LOW, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THERE'S SOME ECONOMIC CHALLENGES IN THAT COMMUNITY. AND SO THAT'S DEFINITELY A CONCERN OF MINE. SO IF I MAY IF I MAY CHIME IN ON THAT POINT, JUST WANTED TO, TO CLARIFY. SO EVEN WITH A STRUCTURE RATE RIGHT. PAY MORE FOR THE ALLEYS DOES NOT SOLVE THE PHYSICAL CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAVE WITH WITH THE ALLEYS. IT'S IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE ALLEY WILL STILL BE NARROW. THE PAVEMENT WILL STILL BE NARROW. SO JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT POINT. YEAH. AND I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THAT. I REMEMBER THERE WERE SEVERAL ALLEYS THAT WE WENT TO THAT I MEAN, WE I ACTUALLY SAW THE TRUCK. IT WAS NOT ABLE TO EVEN TURN IN THERE SAFELY. IT WOULD IT WOULD GO ON THE LAWN AND CAUSE SOME DAMAGE. [01:45:01] AND SO IT JUST WASN'T SAFE. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BLAIR, FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. YOU GUYS, LET ME FIRST START OFF WITH THAT. I KNOW THIS WAS THIS IS NOT AN EASY TASK. AND I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN INUNDATED WITH. WELL, WE'VE BEEN INUNDATED WITH EMAILS, SO I KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GETTING. I WOULD LIKE TO. IT'S COLD STILL HERE? I'D LIKE TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO THE ALLEYS THAT ARE NOT WIDE ENOUGH, BUT HAS VEGETATION THAT IMPEDES THE ABILITY FOR SANITATION TRUCKS TO GET THROUGH. I DO KNOW THAT MOST OF THOSE ALLEYS ARE OLDER ALLEYS. THE NEWER CONSTRUCTIONS, AS IT WAS WRITTEN IN OUR APPENDIX, ARE REQUIRED TO BE 15FT AT LEAST. LAST SIX YEARS I WAS ON ON CPC THAT WE WERE REQUIRED TO BE 15FT IF THEY WERE REAR ENTRY. SO. BUT OUR STREETS ARE NARROW ALSO. SO FOR A NARROW ALLEY PERSPECTIVE, HOW AGGRESSIVE HAVE YOU BEEN IN GETTING THE VEGETATION CLEANED UP SO THE TRUCKS CAN GET THROUGH THERE SAFELY? GOOD MORNING. MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL. JEREMY REED, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR CODE COMPLIANCE. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. AS FAR AS HOW AGGRESSIVE WE'VE BEEN, IT, VEGETATION OBSTRUCTION CASES ARE ABOUT 10% OF THE VIOLATIONS THAT WE FOUND LOOKING AT VIOLATION DATA FROM FISCAL YEAR 2425. WE HAD ABOUT 15,000 VEGETATION OBSTRUCTION CASES ADDRESSED VIA CODE COMPLIANCE. THOSE AREN'T ALL IN THE ALLEYS, BUT FROM MY EXPERIENCE, A MAJORITY OF THOSE CASES ARE IN THE ALLEY. THAT ONE VIOLATION COVERS THINGS GROWING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY OVER THE ALLEY, STREET OR SIDEWALK. BUT AGAIN, THE MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE BECAUSE OF OBSTRUCTIONS IN THE ALLEYWAY. ABOUT ALMOST HALF, ABOUT 45% OF THOSE WERE PROACTIVELY GENERATED SOMETIMES BECAUSE OF OUR PARTNERS IN SANITATION WE'LL SAY, HEY, THIS THIS ALLEY IS REALLY GETTING BAD, OR WE HAD TRUCK DAMAGE OUT THERE. WE WILL GO AND WE'LL SWEEP THROUGH THE WHOLE THE, THE WHOLE ALLEYWAY, BUT ALSO OUR CODE OFFICERS ADDRESS IT PROACTIVELY AS THEY SEE PROBLEMS. AND THEN AGAIN, ABOUT 55% OF THOSE WERE WERE PEOPLE CALLING IN ASKING FOR US TO DO THAT SERVICE. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS BASICALLY WHEN WE SEE IT, YOU AND YOU ARE WHEN YOU SEE IT, YOU CLEAN IT UP. WHEN WE SEE IT, WE TELL YOU, YOU GET IT CLEANED UP. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. QUESTION NOW IS AND I AND I DON'T KNOW WHO IT WOULD GO TO WHEN WE HAVE ALLEYS THAT ARE NARROW BUT THEY DON'T HAVE REAR ENTRY, BUT THEY STILL DO PICK UP THROUGH THE FROM THE BACK. IT IS THAT PART OF THE CONSIDERATION IN THIS PROCESS. YES, MA'AM. SO SPECIFICALLY THAT WOULD BE OPTIONS ONE AND TWO. OPTION TWO BEING WHERE EVERYONE HAS A FRONT DRIVEWAY AND SO THE RESIDENTS AREN'T USING THAT ALLEYWAY ON A DAILY BASIS TO GET IN AND OUT OF THEIR HOME. THAT MEANS THAT THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE AREAS THAT YOU YOU SEE THE MOST VEGETATION OVERGROWTH, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE EASY ACCESS TO THE REAR. THAT IS A COMMON THING WE SEE. THAT LEADS TO WHY DO WE EVEN HAVE THE ALLEY? BUT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THAT'S ANOTHER TOPIC FOR ANOTHER DAY. AND SANITATION ISN'T THE ONLY UTILITY OPERATING THERE. YOU KNOW, WE OFTEN I MEAN, WE HAVE UTILITY OR UTILITY POLES AND LINES AND GAS METERS. SO ON PAGE 23, I'D LIKE TO SAY I AM THE SECOND I HAVE THE SECOND NUMBER OF THE LEAST NUMBER OF OF NARROW AREA. NARROW ALLEYS ONLY BEAT BY DISTRICT 12 BY THREE. SHE HAS THREE LESS ALLEYS THAN I DO. I MEAN THREE. YEAH, THREE LESS ALLEYS THAN I DO. SO I AND I DO KNOW THAT THOSE ALLEYS ARE HOMES THAT ARE BUILT IN OLDER HOUSES WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE NEED, WHERE CARS WERE SMALLER, STREETS WERE SMALLER. SO WHERE WE CANNOT HOW WHAT IS YOUR YOUR YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHERE WE CANNOT WIDEN THE ALLEYS BECAUSE THEY'RE TOO OLD? NOT A VEGETATION PROBLEM. [01:50:04] BUT THE PROBLEM WOULD BE THE WAY THE HOUSE IS BUILT IN THE FRONT. IT'S NOT EASY TO GET THOSE CARTS DOWN A HILL, AND THAT THE STREETS ARE NARROW AND YOU CAN'T GET YOUR TRUCKS SAFELY THROUGH. SO FIRST, REGARDING THE TRUCK SIZE ON A ON A ON A REGULAR RESIDENTIAL STREET. 63% OF OUR COLLECTIONS ARE FROM THE CURB ALREADY, AND WE HAVE NO PROBLEMS GETTING TRUCKS THROUGH THROUGH STREETS. IF A IF A FIRE TRUCK CAN GET THROUGH A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET, A GARBAGE TRUCK CAN GET THROUGH A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET. AND REGARDING TOPOGRAPHY OR, YOU KNOW THE, YOU KNOW, HILLS, I THINK AS MISS STEWART BROUGHT UP, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CERTAINLY WOULD NEED TO CONSIDER. JUST BECAUSE THERE'S 100% FRONT DRIVEWAYS. WE'LL WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE, YOU KNOW, GETTING THOSE CARTS UP AND DOWN A HILL. I THINK THAT'S SHOULD BE AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION AS WELL. YEAH. AND I KNOW THAT IN MY DISTRICT, WE IN THE EASTERN SECTION, YOU HAD NO RESPONSE. I DO HAVE ALLEYS THERE THAT ARE NARROW, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD TAKE FOR THEM TO RESPOND WITH HOW THEY WOULD FEEL. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY FLAT ALL THE AT IN ALL LOCATIONS. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE OUTREACH I CAN HELP PROVIDE IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE REACHING EVERYONE. BUT WHATEVER YOU NEED ME TO DO IN ORDER TO ASSIST, I WILL BE GREATLY HAPPY TO DO THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING. AND AGAIN, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONVERSATIONS. THANK YOU, CHAIR JOHNSON. THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM A FEW QUESTIONS HERE. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE BROUGHT BOUGHT NEW TRUCKS? WE BUY TRUCKS EVERY YEAR. YOU BUY TRUCKS EVERY YEAR? YES, SIR. WHAT WAS THE ALLEY SIZE? WHAT'S THE ALLEY SIZE CONSIDERED, OR IS IT BEING CONSIDERED WHEN YOU GUYS ARE BUYING NEW TRUCKS? IT IS. BUT AGAIN, THERE IS A STANDARD TRUCK WITH SO ACROSS ALMOST ALL OF THE TRUCKS WE BUY, THAT IS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD. THE SMALLER TRUCKS WE BUY FOR THE, THE, THE SORT OF THE CRITICAL AREAS THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING IN WHERE THE ALLEY IS VERY NARROW AND WE'RE TRYING TO NAVIGATE TIGHT TURNS. WE DO HAVE A SMALLER TRUCK THAT IS TWO INCHES NARROWER, BUT ANYTHING BEYOND THAT WE'D BE BUYING PICKUP TRUCKS WHICH, YOU KNOW, SO WHEN WE WAS PURCHASING THE NEW TRUCKS OR IF PURCHASING NEW TRUCKS, WHICH IT SEEMED LIKE IT'S AN OPTION. DO THAT, DO THAT, SAVE THE CITY MONEY WHEN WE GO WITH THE SMALLER TRUCKS VERSUS THE LARGER TRUCKS. NO. THE SMALLER TRUCKS ULTIMATELY COST MORE MONEY. THEY'RE THEY'RE CHEAPER TO ACQUIRE. BUT WE NEED MORE. WE NEED MORE OF THEM, MORE STAFF TO OPERATE THEM. YOU KNOW, SO OVERALL, OVER THE LIFE OF THAT ASSET, IT ADDS UP TO BE MORE. SO WHEN DID WE IDENTIFY THAT IT WAS A PROBLEM WITH THE ALLEY PICKUPS? HOW LONG HAS THIS PROBLEM BEEN EXISTING? AND THEN WHEN WE DID WHEN DID WE IDENTIFY IT. YEAH. SO WE CAN DOCUMENT THE ISSUES BACK TO, YOU KNOW, EARLY 2000. BUT IT LIKELY BEGAN AT THE POINT THE CITY'S FLEET BEGAN CHANGING OVER IN THE LATE 80S, EARLY 90S TO MEET WHEN WE WERE BUYING THESE TRUCKS THAT WERE NOW BEING CONSTRUCTED WIDER, PER FEDERAL REGULATIONS. THAT ALLOWED THEM TO BE. OKAY. YOU SAID FEDERAL REGULATIONS ALLOWED THEM TO BE BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO THINK BACK TO THE LAST CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD. IT APPEARS IN IF I'M INCORRECT AND HELP ME AND I THINK COUNCILMAN ROTH BROUGHT THIS OUT AT SOME TIME AGO, THAT WE PURCHASED TRUCKS BIGGER THAN WHAT WE NORMALLY HAVE PURCHASED. IS THAT CORRECT? NO. OKAY. THE TRUCKS WE'RE BUYING TODAY ARE THE SAME WIDTH. THEY'VE THEY'VE BEEN FOR FOR A LONG TIME. OKAY, I'M JUST TRYING TO DECIPHER WHETHER THE CHALLENGE WAS BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HEARD. I HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF COMPLAINT WITH THE PICKUPS IN MY COMMUNITY. SO I'M SAYING THAT. WHERE DID THE COMPLAINTS COME FROM? WHERE THE PROBLEM EXISTS BECAUSE IT IT WHEN WHEN I'M TALKING TO MY CONSTITUENTS, THEY ARE AGAINST THE CHANGE. SO I WANT TO KNOW WHERE DID THE PROBLEM EXIST FOR THIS TO CONTINUE TO? THE PROBLEM ISN'T FOR THE CUSTOMERS BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PUTTING THEIR TRASH OUT. IT'S THE PROBLEM FOR OUR STAFF WHO ARE OPERATING IN THESE CONFINED CONDITIONS AND FREQUENTLY ARE, YOU KNOW, GETTING STUCK BEING TOWED OUT, BEING WINCHED OUT YOU KNOW, HITTING FENCES, GAS METERS, [01:55:03] UTILITY POLES. THE CUSTOMERS DON'T SEE THAT MOST OF THE TIME. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT ALI SERVICES PREFERABLE, YOU KNOW, TO THOSE THAT HAVE IT. OF COURSE I'M. I'M A SANITATION CUSTOMER. I RECEIVE ALI SERVICE MYSELF. I CAN I GET IT? BUT IN TERMS OF THE THE SAFETY AND EFFICIENCY OF PROVIDING THAT SERVICE, PARTICULARLY IN THE ALLEYWAYS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ISSUES THAT ARE NOT EASILY RESOLVED. RIGHT. AND SO I'M LOOKING AT SLIDE NINE AND IT SAYS RESPONDENTS HEAVILY FAVORED CONTINUED ALI COLLECTIONS 93% OF THAT, WHICH IS A BIG NUMBER, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE HAVE 93% OF ANYTHING THAT WE'VE ALL AGREED ON. SO TO ACTUALLY SEE THIS AND I'M LOOKING AT MAHDIA THAT CANNOT GO AND TAKE HER TRASH CAN TO THE FRONT YARD AND DROP IT OFF AND STRUGGLES AT TIMES TO GET IT TO THE ALLEY. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE IT FURTHER WHICH CREATES MORE OF A CHALLENGE FOR HER OR FOR HIM. SO, SO THAT FOR MY SENIOR CITIZENS. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT MY CONCERN IS BECAUSE, AGAIN, ONE HOUSE IN CEDAR CREST CAN DROP IT OFF IN THE FRONT WHERE I LIVE, THE HOUSE THAT I LIVE IN NOW IS AN ALLEY PICKUP. AND I'VE SEEN AT TIMES I'VE ACTUALLY HAD TO HELP MY NEIGHBORS AND MY SENIORS GET THEIR TRASH CAN AND TAKE IT FROM THE BACK TO THE FRONT TO ASSIST THEM, BECAUSE THEY NO LONGER HAVE THE STRENGTH TO DO SO. AND SO I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHERE AGAIN, LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATION, I DO BELIEVE IN EFFICIENCY. I UNDERSTAND THAT, I DO BELIEVE IN EFFICIENCY, AND I'M A CHAMPION FOR IT. BUT WHAT WE ARE ASKING IS FOR. US TO BE PRUDENT IN OUR DECISION AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ASKING THIS GOVERNMENT EFFICIENCY WITHOUT THE REDUCTION OF SERVICES. SO WE'RE ASKING FOR GOVERNMENT EFFICIENCY WITHOUT THE REDUCTION OF SERVICE TO OUR RESIDENTS. AND I BELIEVE WE CAN DO THIS. WE NEED TO HAVE A DIFFERENT MINDSET AND GOING FORWARD. BUT WE CANNOT WE CANNOT PUT OUR CONSTITUENTS IN HARM'S WAY, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY HAVE NOT ASKED FOR THIS CHANGE. AND THE CHANGE THAT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE FORCING ON THEM IS GOING TO BE MORE DETRIMENTAL TO THEIR HEALTH AND, AND ACTIVITY THAN ANYTHING ELSE. SO THAT THAT'S WHERE I'M AT WITH THAT BECAUSE MY SENIORS ARE NOT SUPPORTING THIS. YEAH. WELL, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT AGAIN, OUR HELPING HANDS PROGRAM. SO THE DESCRIPTIONS THAT YOU YOU MADE ABOUT RESIDENTS WITH MOBILITY ISSUES OR STRENGTH TO GET THE CAR TO THE CURB, THEY WOULD ABSOLUTELY QUALIFY. AND IT'S AT NO ADDITIONAL COST. IN FACT, IT, YOU KNOW, IN THE LONG RUN MAYBE EASIER BECAUSE THE CART JUST STAYS IN ONE PLACE. THEY DON'T EVER MOVE IT AT ALL. WE TAKE CARE OF IT. YOU KNOW, AND THE THE. WELL, I'LL LEAVE IT THERE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I WANT TO SAY THIS AGAIN. WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS GOVERNMENT EFFICIENCY WITHOUT THE REDUCTION IN SERVICES TO OUR RESIDENTS. THAT'S MY OTHER POINT. AND I THINK THAT WE CAN DO THAT, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, GARBAGE, RECYCLING, BRUSH AND BULK STILL GETS PICKED UP. THERE IS NO REDUCTION IN IN THE SERVICE PROVIDED. IT'S SIMPLY ABOUT WHERE THE CARD IS BEING SERVICED FROM. I HEAR YOU, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT AGAIN, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE HAVE RESOURCES. I'M SAYING VERY CLEARLY MY RESIDENCE IS NOT SUPPORTING THIS. AND UNLESS YOU COME OVER THERE AND SEEN WHAT I'VE SEEN AND AND HELP, THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND MORE. BUT WE'RE MY RESIDENTS IN DISTRICT FOUR, WE'RE NOT SUPPORTING THIS. AND I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH PLENTY OF SENIOR CITIZENS IN MY COMMUNITY AND THOSE THAT ACTUALLY CAN DO IT, SOME OF THEM, IT'S JUST NOT MAKING SENSE TO THEM. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M ON RECORD SAYING IT. THANK YOU. I UNDERSTAND, AND I DO WANT TO ALSO POINT OUT THAT I HAVE SPOKEN TO THOSE THOSE RESIDENTS, THOSE SENIORS ALL OVER THE CITY. I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IT IS IT IS UNIFORM THE THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT THE CHANGE AND THAT'S NO SURPRISE. BUT WE HAVE TO WEIGH THAT FEEDBACK WITH THE REALITY OF OUR OPERATING CONDITIONS AND THE SAFETY TO OUR WORKERS. SO. WELL, I'VE NEVER SEEN YOU IN MY COMMUNITY, AND I'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU IN MY COMMUNITY. YOU CAN COME WITH ME. I WILL, ABSOLUTELY, AND WE CAN DO THAT. BUT I'M SAYING IN MY COMMUNITY THAT I SERVE AND HAVE BEEN SERVED FOR YEARS AND HAVE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS RECENTLY, WE'RE NOT SUPPORTING. SO I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE THAT YOU'RE TALKING TO. AND WE CAN GO TOGETHER. AND I HOPE YOU HAVE SOME TIME BECAUSE IT'LL BE AN ALL DAY EVENT. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR FEEDBACK. [02:00:02] COUNCIL MEMBER. MR. MAYOR, IF I COULD JUST CHIME IN FOR JUST A SECOND, I WANTED TO THANK COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON FOR THE COMMENTS, AS WELL AS THE PASSION FOR MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE ADDRESSING SOME OF THOSE UNIQUE NEEDS THAT WE KNOW EXIST WITH MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE KNOW DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE PHYSICAL STRENGTH. AND I THINK THAT'S THE REASON WHY, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL WAYS THAT WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THE CONSISTENCY AND SERVICE DELIVERY AND HOW WE CREATE OVERALL EFFICIENCIES WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. AND I WILL JUST SAY THIS EFFICIENCY IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD EVER TALK ABOUT DEFERRING. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THAT PRUDENT SERVICE DELIVERY AS YOU'VE DESCRIBED. AND I WOULD BE MORE THAN WILLING. COUNCILMEMBER JOHNSON, ALONG WITH THE DIRECTOR OF SANITATION, TO COME OUT TO THE PARTS OF YOUR COMMUNITY THAT WE NEED TO SPEND MORE TIME TALKING ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE AS WELL. BUT I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT OVER THE LAST OF THESE TWO YEARS THAT WE HAVE BEEN SITTING IN OUR OFFICE AS QUIET AND NOT OUT THERE TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE DONE NUMEROUS MEETINGS, NUMEROUS DISCUSSIONS AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT NO MATTER WHERE WE END UP. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT ENGAGEMENT IS CRITICAL AND IT SHOULD CONTINUE. SO I DO APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING IN FRONT OF THE RIGHT PEOPLE. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. COUNCILMEMBER RESENDEZ, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR ALL THE WORK OVER THE YEARS. I KNOW THIS IS A DIFFICULT CONVERSATION AND YOU ALL ARE PROCEEDING I THINK IN A COURAGEOUS MANNER. TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I STILL REMEMBER ONE TOWN HALL WE HAD IN DISTRICT FIVE, CLIFTON. AND YOU WERE THERE, AND NO ONE WAS ASKING ABOUT THIS IN THE COMMUNITY, AND YOU WILLINGLY RAISED THE ISSUE. AND I REMEMBER TELLING YOU, WOW, YOU'RE BRAVE. BUT WITH THAT, I DO WANT TO RAISE A CONCERN ABOUT HOW WE'RE INTERPRETING THE SURVEY. NON-RESPONSES, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M MISINTERPRETING SOMETHING. YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY IN DISTRICT FIVE AND OTHER SOUTHERN DALLAS NEIGHBORHOODS, MANY OF THE AREAS WITH LOW RESPONSE RATES ARE LOWER INCOME, MINORITY MAJORITY COMMUNITIES. AND IN MY EXPERIENCE, A LOW RESPONSE RATE IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS USUALLY DOESN'T MEAN RESIDENTS DON'T CARE OR DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE. AND MORE OFTEN, IT REFLECTS BARRIERS TO PARTICIPATION, LANGUAGE ACCESS ISSUES, LONG AND INFLEXIBLE WORK HOURS, OR PAST EXPERIENCES WHERE PEOPLE FELT THEIR INPUT DIDN'T MATTER. SO JUST REALLY QUICKLY THE PRESENTATION DOESN'T MENTION WHETHER THE SURVEYS WERE ALSO IN BILINGUAL. YES, SIR. THEY WERE. WE ALSO SENT NOTICES VIA EMAIL AND TO CUSTOMERS VIA REGULAR MAIL FOR THOSE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE EMAIL ADDRESSES FOR TWO WEEKS IN ADVANCE OF THE SURVEY ARRIVING BY MAIL, JUST SO THAT FOLKS HOPEFULLY WOULD READ THAT AND KNOW THAT A SURVEY WAS COMING. AND THEN THE WEEK BEFORE IT CLOSED. WE ALSO SENT NOTICES AGAIN ALERTING PEOPLE, HEY, GET YOUR GET YOUR SURVEY IN. IT WAS SENT IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH. RESIDENTS COULD RESPOND BY RETURNING, RETURNING IT IN THE MAIL. DOING IT ONLINE OR CALLING AND GIVING THEIR PROVIDING THEIR FEEDBACK. OKAY, GREAT. THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. BUT MY POINT WITH REGARD TO THE HOW WE TREAT THE NON RESPONSES STILL REMAINS. AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S SPECIFIC TO OPTION THREE. IT LOOKS LIKE WE YOU KNOW STAFF IS WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD BASED ON NON RESPONSES. AND SO I'D LIKE STAFF TO COMMIT TO NOT USING SURVEY NON RESPONSES STANDING ALONE AS A BASIS TO REDUCE OR ELIMINATE HOURLY SERVICE IN ANY NEIGHBORHOOD. YES SIR. AND WE CAN COMMIT TO THAT. CERTAINLY THE SURVEY RESPONSE RATE WOULD BE PART OF IT. BUT WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT IS WHERE THOSE CRITICAL ISSUES THAT WE HAVE IN THOSE AREAS, AND THEN EVEN AT THAT POINT, WHERE IS IT FEASIBLE? YOU KNOW WE WERE REFERRING TO YOU KNOW, HILLS TO TOPOGRAPHY, ETC. THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE A FACTOR AS WELL. YEAH. TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. YOU KNOW, JUST BASED ON WHAT I SEE IN THE PRESENTATION AND FOCUSING ON THE NON-RESPONSES, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT. YES, SIR. ADDITIONALLY, I UNDERSTAND THAT STAFF'S POSITION IS THAT SMALLER TRUCKS OR PHYSICAL ALLEY WIDENING MAY BE COST PROHIBITIVE AND IMPRACTICAL AT SCALE. BUT THAT ALSO SUGGESTS THAT IT MAY BE FEASIBLE ON A TARGETED OR PILOT BASIS, PARTICULARLY IN THE SPECIFIC ALLEYS OR NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE SAFETY CONCERNS ARE MOST SEVERE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY, I BELIEVE WE SHOULD EXPLORE WHETHER FOCUSED INTERVENTION COULD ADDRESS THE PROBLEM WITHOUT RESORTING TO ACROSS THE BOARD SERVICE REDUCTIONS. AND WITH REGARD TO OPTION TWO. COULD YOU REMIND ME OF THE SPECIFIC CONCERNS RAISED BY RESIDENTS? SO WHAT WE HEARD BACK FOLLOWING THE JUNE BRIEFING LAST YEAR. WE USED A TARGET NUMBER OF 60% OR MORE OF THE HOMES HAVING FRONT DRIVEWAYS ON THE BLOCK AS A METRIC TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO TRANSITION THOSE AREAS. [02:05:05] BUT THAT'S THE HYBRID APPROACH, RIGHT? THAT WAS OPTION ONE. ARE YOU REFERRING TO. I'M SORRY, MAYBE I MISSTATED. DID YOU SAY OPTION TWO WHERE 100% OF THE FRONT DRIVEWAYS. WHAT'S THE WHAT ARE THE CONCERNS WITH THAT? I BELIEVE THE DISCUSSION, THE THE CONCERNS MENTIONED WERE THEY MIGHT EVERY RESIDENT MAY HAVE A FRONT DRIVEWAY, BUT THERE COULD BE HILLS OR OTHER CHALLENGES FOR RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THEIR HEAVY CART UP OR DOWN THE FROM THE DRIVEWAY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COMMITTED TO CONSIDERING AS WELL, IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH OPTION TWO. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS THAT RACE TO THE TOP FOR YOU WITH REGARD TO OPTION TWO? NO, SIR. YOU KNOW IT IT IT IT'S A LOWER AMOUNT OF HOMES TRANSITION. BUT AGAIN IT'S IT'S AN INCREMENTAL APPROACH. IT'S STILL GETS US SOMEWHERE AS WE EXPLORE WHAT OTHER SOLUTIONS THERE MAY BE TO KEEP AS MANY LOCATIONS AS POSSIBLE IN ALLEYWAYS. GOT IT. OKAY. WELL, IN THIS SITUATION, INCREMENTAL MAY BE THE CORRECT APPROACH. EITHER WAY, I'M STILL LISTENING AND APPROACHING THE ISSUES IN GOOD FAITH AND WITH RESPECT FOR OUR STAFF AND THE WORK THAT Y'ALL DO. BUT WE CAN'T PRETEND THAT THERE'S AN OPTION HERE THAT AVOIDS TRADE OFFS. PRESERVING THE STATUS QUO PERPETUATES AN INEQUITY FOR RESIDENTS WHO PAY FOR ALLEY SERVICES WITHOUT RECEIVING THEM, WHILE ANY CHANGE WILL UNDERSTANDABLY GENERATE CONCERN. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER ROSS, ROUND TWO. THANK YOU. I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT I REPRESENT DISTRICT 11 AND DISTRICT 11. RESIDENTS ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF CHANGING THIS POLICY AND TRANSFERRING THE ALLEY PICKUP TO THE CURB. I THINK THAT THIS POLICY NEEDS TO THIS. PURSUIT OF THIS POLICY NEEDS TO BE STOPPED NOW. HUNDREDS OF OUR RESIDENTS HAVE SHARED, HAVE SHOWED UP AT COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND TOLD, YOU KNOW, THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS HAVE WRITTEN LETTERS TO YOU AND TOLD, YOU KNOW, 12,000 RESIDENTS SENT YOU A PETITION AND TOLD, YOU KNOW, 25% OF A SIGNIFICANT 10,000 RESIDENTS RESPONDED TO YOUR TO YOUR SURVEY AND TOLD, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PAST SEVEN MONTHS, THE STAFF HAS CONTINUED TO PURSUE THIS POLICY, WHICH IS UNACCEPTABLE TO THE CITIZENS THAT WE WORK FOR. AND WE HAVE SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS OF STAFF TIME, CITIZENS TIME, AS WELL AS EMOTIONAL CAPITAL AND FINANCIAL EXPENSE TO PUSH A POLICY CHANGE WHICH IMPOSES FINANCIAL COSTS ON OUR CITIZENS, PHYSICALLY BURDENS OUR CITIZENS, AND IS DESIGNED TO FIX PROBLEMS THAT THE CITY CREATED. THE CITY NEEDS TO FIX THE PROBLEMS IT CREATED, BUT NOT BY IMPOSING ADDITIONAL COSTS ON OUR RESIDENTS, NOT BY REQUIRING RESIDENTS TO TAKE THE ROLE OF GARBAGE COLLECTORS, AND NOT BY TAKING AWAY FUNDAMENTAL CITY SERVICES WHICH THE RESIDENTS ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR. THE RESIDENTS HAVE TRIED TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS CITY PROCESS IN A RESPECTFUL, COLLABORATIVE AND INTELLIGENT WAY, BUT THEIR CIVILITY HAS BEEN MET BY DISREGARD TO SUGGESTIONS AND LACK OF REQUESTED INFORMATION AND DISRESPECT. I WANT TO SEE SPECIFIC INFORMATION ON, ON STATISTICS ON PERSONAL INJURIES, ON HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE REALLY BEEN HURT IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION. I WANT TO SAY WITH REGARD TO THIS ALI'S, I WANT TO FIND OUT THE SPECIFIC NUMBERS OF DAMAGE ASSESSMENTS FOR FOR PARTICULAR ITEMS IN THESE ALI'S. WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN ALTERNATE SERVICE PROVIDER OPTIONS HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN TO US ADEQUATELY. WE HAVE NOT HAD REALLY UNDERSTOOD THE FINANCIAL IMPACT IN REAL DOLLARS IN THE SAVINGS THAT WOULD BE DEVELOPED BY YOUR YOUR SUGGESTIONS. AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY JUSTIFICATIONS OR CALCULATIONS FOR ACTUAL COSTS FOR FOR ALI'S SERVICE SURCHARGES THAT YOU ALL ARE PROPOSING. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT MY COLLEAGUES SUPPORT MY REQUEST THAT THE CITY MANAGER AND STAFF STOP PURSUING THIS POLICY CHANGE AT THIS TIME AND THAT IF ANY OPTION IS BEING CONSIDERED, IT'D BE OPTION FOUR TO BE CONSIDERED, WHICH WOULD PUT EVERYTHING ON HOLD UNTIL YOU ALL COME BACK WITH SOME REAL INFORMATION ON HOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ADVERSELY IMPACT IMPACT MY RESIDENCE TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CHAIR MENDELSOHN. THANK YOU. WELL, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER ROTH. [02:10:04] WITH ONE EXCEPTION, WHICH IS I DO THINK YOU SHOULD PURSUE THE TIERED RATE BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN COST RECOVERY. AND IF IT'S COSTING MORE FOR THE ALLEY THAN ALLEY SERVICE SHOULD PAY MORE THAN THE CURB. SO I THINK YOU SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. BUT BEYOND THAT I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S APPROPRIATE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY KINDS OF TRANSITIONS UNTIL ONE, YOU'VE EXPLORED OUTSOURCING COLLECTION ALTOGETHER FOR THE CITY. TWO, INSTITUTING AN OPT OUT PROGRAM FOR NEIGHBORHOODS. AND THREE, WE ARE WOEFULLY UNDER UTILIZING CODE COMPLIANCE IN OUR OWN CITY ORDINANCE ON WHERE CANS BELONG. WHEN I DID THE 12 HOUR RIDE ALONG WITH SANITATION, I WOULD GUESS ABOUT 50% OF THE CANS AND ALLEYS WERE OUT OF COMPLIANCE. THEY WERE LOCATED TOO CLOSE TO GAS. THEY WERE TOO CLOSE TO FENCES, TO VEHICLES, TO EACH OTHER, AND THEY WERE STILL PICKED UP. AND THEY WERE PICKED UP BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS EXPECTED. THE DRIVERS DON'T WANT TO PUT AN ORANGE TAG ON THERE. THEY DON'T WANT TO DISAPPOINT THE CUSTOMER. THEY WANT TO PROVIDE THAT EXCELLENT SERVICE. BUT UNTIL THE CONSEQUENCE OF NOT ABIDING BY TRIMMING THE SHRUBS AND THE TREES AND PUTTING THE CANS OUT WHERE THEY BELONG UNTIL THE CONSEQUENCES, WE WON'T PICK IT UP. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SAFELY DO THIS. AND IT'S NOT HAPPENING. IT'S JUST NOT YOUR GOAL THAT YOU HAVE SAID REPEATEDLY FOR MOVING TO THE CURB IS THAT YOU COULD GET RID OF THE FOLKS ON THE BACK, AND YOU COULD USE THE AUTOMATED TRUCKS. IS THAT CORRECT? SO I HAVE SAID REPEATEDLY THAT THIS IS A SAFETY AND EFFICIENCY ISSUE. I SAID, I HAVE SAID THAT OVER TIME REAR LOAD TRUCKS CAN BE PHASED OUT BECAUSE THEY ARE NO LONGER SORT OF THE BEST WAY TO PROVIDE THIS SERVICE IN TERMS OF SAFETY AND EFFICIENCY. THAT IS THAT'S WHAT I'VE SAID. BUT SO IN THE TEN FOOT ALLEYS, WHY AREN'T YOU USING AUTOMATED TRUCKS? WE DO USE AUTOMATED TRUCKS IN SOME TEN FOOT ALLEYS WHERE CONDITIONS ALLOW. THAT OFTEN DEPENDS ON WHERE UTILITY POLES ARE PLACED. WHAT OTHER YOU KNOW, WHAT OTHER POTENTIAL OBSTRUCTIONS THERE MAY BE. AND WHEN I SAY OBSTRUCTIONS, I MEAN OBSTRUCTIONS THAT ARE THERE WITHIN THE AUTHORIZED AREA. UTILITY POLES CAN EXIST WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY IN A UTILITY EASEMENT. SO IF IT'S THERE BUT IT STILL PROVIDES OR IT'S STILL OBSTRUCTING US, THEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT AN AUTOMATED TRUCK THROUGH THERE. ALSO, YOU KNOW, AN AUTOMATED TRUCK HAS GOT THIS ARM THAT'S COMING OUT TO GRAB THE CART AND LIFT IT OVER THE TRUCK. THE UTILITY OVERHEAD UTILITY LINES ALSO CAN STOP US FROM USING THOSE TRUCKS IN THOSE ALLEYWAYS. BUT WE DO USE THEM IN SOME WHERE WE CAN. SO MY TEN FOOT ALLEY USED TO HAVE AN AUTOMATED TRUCK. IT'S HAD A REAR LOADER FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS. WHY WOULD THAT BE? THERE ARE NO OBSTRUCTIONS IN THE ALLEY. SO THE ROUTING OF THAT TRUCK IS PROBABLY TAKING IT TO SOMEWHERE THAT AN AUTOMATED TRUCK CANNOT FIT IN. SO THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EFFICIENCY HAS BEEN LOST. EFFICIENCY HAS LIKELY BEEN GAINED SOMEWHERE. IN YOUR CASE, YOU MAY BE RECEIVING THAT SERVICE WITH A REAR LOAD TRUCK BECAUSE THAT TRUCK'S GOT TO SQUEEZE IN SOMEWHERE ELSE. BUT THAT IS NOT AN INDICATOR THAT WE'RE BEING LESS EFFICIENT. WE'VE PROBABLY MADE SOME ROUTING ADJUSTMENT THAT WORKS OVERALL. BETTER. ALSO, YOU SEE THAT FREQUENTLY IN AREAS WHERE AUTOMATED TRUCK IS PICKING UP GARBAGE AND A REAR LOAD TRUCK IS PICKING UP RECYCLING. THAT'S BECAUSE THE GARBAGE ROUTES ARE ARE SHORTER BECAUSE WE'RE PICKING UP MORE MATERIAL. RECYCLE ROUTES ARE LARGER. SO THEY'RE NOT IT'S YOU LOSE THE LIKELIHOOD OF BEING ABLE TO FIT AN AUTOMATED TRUCK THROUGH MORE AREAS BECAUSE OF THE LARGER ROUTE SIZE. WELL, GIVEN THE ALLEY MAP YOU'VE SHOWED ME, IT'S UNLIKELY THAT I SHARE A ROUTE WITH AN ALLEY THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING. NUMBER ONE. AND NUMBER TWO, I'M TALKING ABOUT TRASH PICKUP, NOT RECYCLING. SO THIS DOESN'T FIT THE NARRATIVE. YOU'RE SAYING, WHO IS THE TRUCK VENDOR THAT WE'RE PURCHASING TRUCKS FROM? WELL, IF I CAN, WE'RE WE'RE SENDING TWO TRUCKS DOWN THROUGH EVERY COLLECTION POINT. GARBAGE AND RECYCLING. SO IT'S AFFECTING, YOU KNOW, IT AFFECTS IT. NO MATTER. NO MATTER WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GARBAGE OR RECYCLING. BECAUSE WE'RE PICKING UP BOTH WHAT TRUCKS WERE WHAT TRUCK VENDORS WERE USING? THAT'S WE USE 2 TO 3 DIFFERENT VENDORS. WE DON'T EVERY YEAR WHEN WE BUY TRUCKS, WE DON'T PUT ALL OF OUR ALL OF OUR EGGS IN ONE BASKET BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, A TRUCK MANUFACTURER COULD HAVE AN ISSUE ONE YEAR. AND WE DON'T WANT THAT ISSUE TO AFFECT ALL THE TRUCKS THAT WE BOUGHT THAT YEAR. [02:15:04] WE'VE SEEN IT. WE'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN MORE THAN ONCE. AND EVERY TRUCK WE'RE BUYING, THERE'S A CHASSIS MANUFACTURER AND A BODY MANUFACTURER. SO EVERY TRUCK, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT VENDORS THAT WE'RE USING TO PUT THAT TRUCK TOGETHER. AND I'M SORRY, CAN YOU SHARE THOSE NAMES? THE PRIMARY BODY VENDORS ARE HAIL AND CURB TENDER. WE ALSO HAVE SOME DENNIS EAGLE TRUCKS. THOSE ARE THE. BUT HAIL AND CURB TENDER ARE THE PRIMARY BODY TYPES THAT WE'RE USING NOW. EXCUSE ME. DENNIS EAGLE IS A IS A CHASSIS PROVIDER. THE THE THE CHASSIS ARE MOSTLY AUTO CARS. WE DO HAVE SOME OTHER DENNIS EAGLES AND OTHER BRIDGE PORTS. BATTLE IS A VENDOR AS WELL. CHASSIS MANUFACTURER THAT WE USE. THANK YOU. I'M CERTAINLY AWARE WHERE SANITATION'S REPLACE GRASS FOR A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORS, BUT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT DAMAGE. I WILL SAY MOST PEOPLE RECALL THAT GARBAGE TRUCK THAT WAS ON FIRE BURNED DOWN A RESIDENT'S FENCE. THE CITY DIDN'T EVEN PAY TO REPLACE THAT FENCE. WE WE CLAIMED GOVERNMENT IMMUNITY. AND SO I'M WONDERING WHAT THE EXPENSES ACTUALLY ARE. AND ALSO FOR THE EMPLOYEES THERE IN THE TRUCK. I MEAN, WHAT WHAT EXPENSES IS THE CITY INCURRING WHEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT THESE ARE CONTRACT EMPLOYEES ON THE BACK? SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE PAY FOR IN TERMS OF DAMAGES THAT YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT I DON'T MAKE THE DETERMINATION AS TO WHAT WE PAY FOR INSURANCE IS COMING UP. BUT REGARDING THE EMPLOYEES IN THE TRUCK, THE EMPLOYEES ARE ON THE WALKING BEHIND THE TRUCK FREQUENTLY, OR THEY'RE RIDING ON A BACK STEP WHEN CONDITIONS ALLOW. SO THOSE INSTANCES THAT OCCUR PRETTY REGULARLY OF OF HITTING A POLE OR A LINE, AND THAT LINE COMES DOWN ON THE TRUCK. OR, YOU KNOW, SPARK IS DOWN SPARKING AROUND THOSE WORKERS THAT ARE BEHIND THE TRUCK AND THEY'RE RUNNING AWAY. CERTAINLY AN ISSUE THERE. ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE INSTANCES WHERE THOSE LINES COME DOWN ON THE TRUCK AND THE DRIVER IS FORCED TO. IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY HAVE TO DECIDE, DO I STAY IN THIS TRUCK OR DO I? DO I DO WHAT I'VE BEEN TAUGHT AND TRY TO HOP OUT WITHOUT BEING ELECTROCUTED? WE HAD ONE INSTANCE ANOTHER TRUCK FIRE IN AN ALLEYWAY WHERE THE TRUCK DIDN'T HIT THE LINES. IT HIT A GUIDE WIRE. AND IT HAD A TRANSFORMER ON IT THAT, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT ALL THIS LIQUID DOWN, FLAMING LIQUID DOWN ON THE TRUCK. BUT THE TRUCK WAS PARKED IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE DRIVER COULD AND PASSENGERS COULD BARELY GET THE DOORS OPEN. THAT'S THE LAST PICTURE IN THIS, IN THIS PRESENTATION. SO, YOU KNOW, THE THE THOUGHT OF THAT TYPE OF INJURY OR, YOU KNOW, MORE IS INCREDIBLY CONCERNING. AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO SARANDA SARANTA SMITH, OFFICE OF RISK MANAGEMENT WITH RESPECT TO WHO PAYS? WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FINANCIAL PIECE IF THERE'S AN INCIDENT? SO FOR NON-CITY EMPLOYEES, CONTRACTED EMPLOYEES THAT ARE IN THE BACK OF THE TRUCKS, IF THEY HAVE AN INJURY OR ILLNESS IF THEY FILE AGAINST THE CITY, WE DENY THE CLAIM AND TENDER IT BACK TO THEIR EMPLOYER. WORKER'S COMPENSATION IS THE REMEDY FOR ALL EMPLOYEES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. AS FOR OUR CITY EMPLOYEES, WE ARE SELF-INSURED. SO IF THERE IS AN INJURY THAT OCCURS OR ILLNESS WE ARE COVERED. WE TAKE CARE OF THEM. BUT IF THE INCIDENT IS THE RESULT OF A NON-CITY EMPLOYEE OR SOME KIND OF DEFECT IN THE TRUCK, WE WILL SUBROGATE OUR EXPENSES AGAINST THAT VENDOR. CHAIR. CHAIR. MENDELSOHN. YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED. BUT I DON'T THINK SHE ADDRESSED YOUR QUESTION ABOUT DAMAGING TO THE OFFENSIVE UNIT. WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE NOT ADDRESSED IN MY QUESTION. I'M SORRY. ARE YOU PAYING EXPENSES FOR THINGS LIKE FENCES THAT ARE DAMAGED? YES. IF WE IF IT'S DETERMINATION AFTER THE INVESTIGATION THAT WE ARE LIABLE, THEN WE DO PAY FOR DAMAGE TO PROPERTY. PER THE TEXAS TORT CLAIMS ACT, IF PROPERTY DAMAGE IS NOT THE RESULT OF NEGLIGENT USE OF MOTORIZED EQUIPMENT, THEN WE DO DENY THE CLAIM. BUT WHEN WE ARE, IF WE DETERMINE THAT OUR TRUCK, WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. WE DO PAY FOR IT. SOMETIMES WE DO, SOMETIMES WE DON'T. SO EMPLOYEE OR SERVICE NEGLIGENCE? YES. MENDELSOHN. [02:20:02] SHE ENTERED THE QUESTIONS. I'M GOING TO LET YOU. CAN I USE MY LAST ONE MINUTE THEN GO AHEAD. LET'S MADAM SECRETARY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO THAT TRUCK THAT WAS ON FIRE AND BURNED DOWN HER FENCE, AND I THINK THERE WAS ALSO SOME OTHER STRUCTURE IN THE BACK THAT WAS ON FIRE. DO WE PAY FOR THAT? I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS OF THAT CLAIM, BUT I CAN GO BACK TO THAT. THE REPORTS WERE NO, THAT WE DIDN'T. THE KEY HERE REALLY IS THAT THERE'S MORE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND WHILE WE MAY HAVE PAID IT, IF IT WAS NEGLIGENT, WE DON'T PLAY IT IF IT'S NON NEGLIGENCE. RIGHT. THE IT'S NOT NEGLIGENCE IS IF YOU'RE LIABLE IF WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DAMAGE WITH WITH JUST GOING TO PAUSE. MY POINT HERE IS THIS. WE'VE ALL SEEN 18 WHEELERS DANGLING OFF THE EDGE OF THE FREEWAY. BUT WE DON'T BAN 18 WHEELERS. SO WE MAY HAVE AN EXTRAORDINARY ACCIDENT PROBLEM IN AN ALLEY. IT DOESN'T MEAN WE STOP ALLEY SERVICE AND USING THIS ONE OFF EXAMPLE THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH ONCE IN 20 YEARS TO STOP A NECESSARY AND IMPORTANT SERVICE, FRANKLY, THAT HAS LIKE CLEANLINESS AND HEALTH ASPECTS IS IMPORTANT. THE LAST QUESTION I WANT TO ASK YOU, CLIFF, IS THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT HELPING HANDS. HELPING HANDS IS ONLY IF YOU LIVE ALONE. IS THAT CORRECT? NO, IT'S IF THERE'S NO ABLE BODIED ADULT IN THE HOME. SO THERE CAN BE MULTIPLE PEOPLE IN THE HOME THAT ARE NOT ABLE BODIED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CHAIR JOHNSON. THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM CITY MANAGER MADE A STATEMENT, AND I WANT TO MAKE CLARITY. BY NO MEANS AM I SAYING THAT ADMINISTRATION IS SITTING IN OFFICE AND NOT DOING ANY WORK. THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SUGGESTING AND DID NOT SUGGEST THAT WHAT I AM SUGGESTING IS YOU COMING OUT TO MY COMMUNITY WITH ME, AND IT'S GOING TO BE AN ALL DAY EVENT, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GO IN SOME AREAS THAT ARE NOT SUPPORTING THIS. AND AGAIN, AND HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY MEETING WITH ME I'VE NEVER SEEN YOU OVER THERE. I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OVER THERE. IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OVER THERE SINCE I'VE BEEN IN THIS SEAT. NO ONE EVER TOLD ME, NOR WAS I. REACHED OUT TO FOR A PARTNERSHIP. SO SINCE I DID NOT READ, WAS NOT REACHED OUT TO FOR PARTNERSHIP AND HAD NO IDEA, THEN I WELCOME YOU TO COME AND WORK WITH ME AS THE COUNCIL MEMBER OF THAT PARTICULAR DISTRICT THAT I WAS ELECTED FOR, AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO AND GET SOME REAL TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY GOING WHERE YOU CAN HEAR REAL CONVERSATIONS, PROBABLY FROM THOSE THAT DID NOT RESPOND TO YOUR SURVEY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ABSOLUTELY, SIR. AND I APOLOGIZE THAT I, THAT I HAVEN'T REACHED OUT TO YOU FOR THAT EXPERIENCE. NO APOLOGIES NEEDED. IT'S ALL GOOD. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA. THANK YOU. SO I WANTED TO CONTINUE ON THE INEQUITIES THAT EXIST CURRENTLY. AND IN PARTICULAR, I WANT TO JUST COMPARE SOME OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE. ONE IS THE 50 OVER 50 PROGRAM. IT'S A 50% MATCH FROM THE CITY FOR RESIDENTS TO HAVE REPAIR TO THEIR SIDEWALKS. MADAM CITY MANAGER, CAN YOU TELL ME IF THERE'S ANY BREAK OR DISCOUNT OR CONSIDERATION OF HISTORIC CONTEXTS? FOR THOSE WHO WEREN'T FURNISHED WITH A SIDEWALK IN THE THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION OF THEIR HOME. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER BAZALDUA. FROM MY JUST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AND JUST HISTORICALLY, I DO NOT BELIEVE SO. I WOULD BE JUST ANSWERING THAT QUESTION JUST BASED ON WHAT I, WHAT I'VE SEEN IN FRONT OF ME. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN ANY KIND OF HISTORIC CONCESSIONS OR ANY TYPE OF A REBATE OR ANYTHING FOR THOSE PARTICULAR HOMEOWNERS, BUT FROM MY WORK AND KNOWLEDGE, I DO NOT BELIEVE SO. SO IF WE HAVE A HOME THAT NEVER HAD A SIDEWALK AND PUTTING ONE IN THERE, WOULD THAT BE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN REPAIRING A SIDEWALK THAT HAS ALREADY EXISTED. POTENTIALLY COULD BE, YES. BUT THERE'S STILL BEEN NO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN AN INEQUITY THAT EXISTS THERE. FROM MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE WAS NOT A TRUE UP OF COST TO WHERE THERE WAS SOMETHING THEN PROVIDED BACK AS A DISCOUNT TO THAT HOMEOWNER. THAT'S THAT WOULD BE THE BETTER WAY TO ANSWER. IT IS JUST NOT I DON'T HAVE AN AWARENESS OF WHERE THAT HOMEOWNER WAS MADE WHOLE BECAUSE OF THIS ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT AND WHAT THEY DID NOT HAVE HISTORICALLY. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS THE CASE, THAT THEY WERE MADE WHOLE. OKAY. I THINK IT'S PRETTY SAFE TO SAY THAT HISTORIC ZONING PRACTICES AND LAND USE AND LOT SIZES HAS RESULTED IN A A DIVERSITY THAT IS PRETTY GLARING AND A DISPARITY THAT'S ALSO GLARING. [02:25:02] BUT IT'S IT'S FORCED SEGREGATION OF SOCIOECONOMICS IN OUR CITY THAT WE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSING FOR A WHILE. IS THAT SAFE TO SAY? IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT WE'VE HAD SOME SERVICE DELIVERY MODELS THAT OVER THE YEARS, AS WE'VE EVOLVED AND WE'VE HAD AREAS IN OUR CITY WHERE WE'VE HAD UNDERINVESTMENT, THAT WOULD BE THE WORD THAT I WOULD USE. THAT THERE WE'VE POTENTIALLY SET UP SYSTEMS IN A WAY WHERE WE'VE CREATED MAYBE SOME LEVEL OF DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT'S PROVIDED HERE AND THERE. I THINK AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THOSE ARE THE EXACT TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS AS A CITY. I THINK WE'VE HEARD VERY CLEARLY FROM ACROSS ALL OF THE CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS THAT THEY'RE NOT THE SAME. BUT WE ALSO WE ALSO HAVE ISSUES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS AND SERVICE DELIVERY MODELS WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE BETTER EFFICIENCIES AND EQUITY AT THE EXACT SAME TIME. AND SO THERE ARE TRADE OFFS THAT WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE. AND WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT TRYING TO REPLACE ANY SENTIMENT OR EMOTIONAL ATTACHMENT WITH ALI SERVICES. BUT WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SOME COST FACTORS INVOLVED, AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR SYSTEM IS ONE THAT'S FAIR, BUT IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR CONSISTENCY IN HOW WE MOVE FORWARD. AND RIGHT NOW, THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS THIS CONVERSATION. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. ALTHOUGH I WILL TELL YOU, SOMEONE MENTIONED 2020. THIS IS A TEN YEAR CONVERSATION. THIS DIDN'T JUST START IN THE LAST 2 OR 3 YEARS. THANK YOU. NO THANK YOU. I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE SOCIOECONOMICS OF OUR CITY BECAUSE OUR EAP PROGRAM THAT WE OFFER WITHIN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ALLOW FOR PATROL THAT IS PREDOMINANTLY UTILIZED BY NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE NORTHERN PART OF OUR CITY AND ONES THAT MORE AFFLUENCY WAS CONCENTRATED INSTEAD OF LOWER SOCIOECONOMICS. IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION IN OUR HISTORIC CONTEXT OF OUR CITY AND GIVING A COST BREAK OR AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOUTHERN DALLAS NEIGHBORHOODS, FOR INSTANCE, TO HAVE A CHEAPER OPTION FOR THE PAP PROGRAM THAT EXISTS IN NORTHERN DALLAS. THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE. AND AGAIN, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE IS NOT A COST BREAK. THE NP PROGRAM IS WHAT IT IS, AND IF THERE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS, NO MATTER IN WHAT PART OF THE CITY, IF THEY WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT PROGRAM, THE COST ARE THE SAME. FROM MY POINT OF ORDER I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW SIDEWALKS AND EMP ARE RELEVANT TO A SANITATION PRESENTATION. COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA OF YOU KNOW,. I'M ABSOLUTELY ON POINT. I HAVE POINTS TO BE MADE, AND I APPRECIATE THE LATITUDE TO GET TO THEM. AND SO THE SPEED BUMPS, THE PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE ABILITY FOR NEIGHBORHOODS TO PURCHASE FOR THESE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE CRITERIA THAT IS, IS NEEDED. IS IS THAT TRUE AS WELL? I BELIEVE SO, YES. WITHOUT STAFF COMING OUT. I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THAT IS THE WAY IT OPERATES. YES. I JUST THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THIS IS NOT A UNIQUE SITUATION, AND WE'VE ASKED FOR OUR CITY MANAGER TO DO HER JOB WITH THE RESPECTIVE DEPARTMENTS, AND SOMETIMES THAT'S GOING TO BE SHORING UP INEQUITIES OF OUR CITY, AND SOMETIMES THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDRESSING INEFFICIENCIES IN OUR CITY. I THINK THAT IT IS ALWAYS UNFORTUNATE TO SEE INEQUITIES IN OUR CITY. BUT IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S A LARGER EMPHASIS TO PUT ON ADDRESSING AN INEQUITY. NOW, WHEN I BELIEVE THAT THE ONLY REASON THAT THIS PREMIER SERVICE IS OFFERED IN THE NORTHERN DALLAS NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE SEE IS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN DONE, SUPPLEMENTED ON THE BACKS OF SOUTHERN DALLAS, WHO DOESN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF A SERVICE. AND SO I TRULY DO BELIEVE THAT DOING NOTHING IS ABSOLUTELY LAZY. AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I THINK YOU'VE HEARD A CONSENSUS FROM AROUND THIS HORSESHOE HERE TODAY. DOING NOTHING SHOULD NOT BE AN OPTION. DOING NOTHING SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE CRITIQUED ON AS OUR ADMINISTRATOR. CAN I HAVE MY LAST MINUTE, PLEASE, MR. MAYOR? I CAN'T TELL HOW MANY ROUNDS EVERYONE'S HAD JUST YET BECAUSE I JUST SAW IT. SO YOU'RE JUST ROLLING INTO YOUR LAST. YES, SIR. OKAY. YEAH. GO AHEAD. TAKE ANOTHER MINUTE. THANK YOU. SO I THINK THAT THAT IS ONE I ALSO BELIEVE WE TALK ABOUT PRECEDENT SETTING OFTEN HERE, AND WE TALK ABOUT ESSENTIALLY STAYING IN OUR LANES THAT OUR CHARTER PRESCRIBES. I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS A POLICY DECISION. THIS THIS SEEMS THAT THIS IS CLEARLY AN ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION. I THINK WHEN IT'S CONVENIENT, THINGS LIKE THIS ARE MISCONSTRUED AS A POLICY DECISION. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT SETTING A PRECEDENT THAT JUST CONFLATES THE ROLE THAT WE PLAY AS POLICY MAKERS. AND THE, QUITE FRANKLY, MICROMANAGEMENT OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE EXECUTIVES THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE DIRECT HIRES OF THIS COUNCIL. [02:30:08] SO I'M ABSOLUTELY NOT SUPPORTIVE OF US DOING NOTHING. I THINK THAT THAT SOLVES NOTHING. AND I ALSO THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM OR THOSE THAT ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A HALF OF A ONE PERCENTAGE POINT OF THE POPULATION OF OUR CITY. THESE ARE THE DECISIONS THAT WE'VE HIRED AN EXECUTIVE TO MAKE. AND I FULLY SUPPORT YOU GOING IN THE DIRECTION THAT YOU'RE GOING ON. HOPEFULLY WE WILL STICK WITH OPTION 1 OR 2. CHAIRMAN, HAD YOU SPOKEN AT ALL OR YOU. SO YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. MAYOR. JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS BASED THAT CAME FROM WHEN THIS FIRST STARTED. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM HAD MENTIONED THE DYNAMIC PRICING FOR CUSTOMERS WILLING TO PAY FOR IT. I THOUGHT THAT'S AN INNOVATIVE IDEA. I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE ABOUT THAT. AND THEN THE QUESTION THAT CAME UP EARLIER, DIRECTOR WAS FROM CHAIR. MENDELSOHN WAS ABOUT WHO MADE WHO'S, WHOSE TRUCKS WERE WE BUYING THE TRUCKS FROM? AND I THINK YOU MENTIONED HAIL AND CURB TENDER. YOU'D ALSO MENTIONED EARLIER THIS MORNING THAT WE WE WERE ONLY USING LIKE, WE CAN ONLY BUY NINE FOOT TRUCKS OR TEN FOOT TRUCKS. WHAT WHAT'S THE WIDTH OF THE TRUCK THAT'S AT ISSUE HERE? CAUSING PROBLEMS FOR OUR ALLEYS? YEAH, THERE'S TWO THINGS. THERE'S THE TRACK WIDTH OF THE TRUCK. SO OUTER TIRE EDGE TO OUTER TIRE EDGE. THESE TRUCKS ARE SLIGHTLY OVER EIGHT FEET WIDE. SO ON AN EIGHT FOOT ALLEYWAY SURFACE, YOU KNOW, EXPECTING A DRIVER TO STAY PERFECTLY ON THE PAVEMENT AND NOT, YOU KNOW, SLIDE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WHICH OVER TIME CREATES RUTS ALONG THE SIDE OF THE PAVEMENT WHICH SOMETIMES BECOME, SOMETIMES BECOME EXTREMELY SEVERE. THE OTHER ISSUE IS THE OVERALL WIDTH OF THE TRUCK, WHICH IS GENERALLY MIRROR TO MIRROR, AND THAT'S OVER NINE FEET WIDE ON THESE TRUCKS. AND THAT'S NECESSARY IN ORDER FOR THE DRIVER TO BE ABLE TO SEE APPROPRIATELY BEHIND THEM. BUT THE DRIVERS, YOU KNOW, RIG UP THESE POLES WHERE THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE ALLEYS AND AS THEY COME ACROSS A UTILITY POLE OR WHATEVER, THEY'RE ROLLING DOWN THEIR WINDOW AND THEY'VE GOT THIS CONTRAPTION THAT THEY GO AND THEY FOLD THEIR MIRRORS IN, YOU KNOW, EACH WAY AND GET PAST IT AND FOLD IT BACK OUT. IS JUST, YOU KNOW NOT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD NEED TO BE DONE. BE DONE. I CAN'T IMAGINE WITH ALL OF THE CITIES IN THE US, THE OLDER CITIES THAT WERE BUILT BEFORE. AND I MEAN, YOU CAN'T MOVE BUILDINGS IN BOSTON OR NEW YORK CITY TO ACCOMMODATE TRASH TRUCKS. SO IN ALL OF THESE OLD CITIES, LIKE, WHAT ARE THEY DOING TO PICK UP TRASH WITH TRUCKS? THERE. THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME SMALLER TRUCKS THAT ARE AVAILABLE OR IF NOT THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS, CAN'T WE PUT THAT OUT THERE THAT WE WANT SMALLER TRUCKS. SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING COUNCIL SUPPORTS. TWO THINGS I'D NOTE. RARELY DO YOU SEE YOU KNOW, A CITY, A MAJOR CITY LIKE US PROVIDING THIS TYPE OF ALLEYWAY SERVICE AND THIS CONFINED CONDITION. SO YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY'RE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT EXPERIENCING THIS. THEY'RE THEY'RE ABLE TO DO IT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT DOING IT IN THE SAME TYPE OF CONDITIONS THAT WE ARE. AND THEN REGARDING SMALLER TRUCKS YES. THE SMALLER TRUCKS THAT WE USE NOW ARE ABOUT TWO INCHES NARROWER. SO A LITTLE BIT MORE MANEUVERABILITY. BUT THEY HAVE HALF THE PAYLOAD CAPACITY. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, THEN THAT MEANS WE'RE GOING TO DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF TRUCKS ON THESE ROUTES. SO THAT REQUIRES DOUBLE THE STAFF DOUBLE THE, THE HELP ON THE BACK. SO YOU GO FROM, YOU KNOW, TWO PEOPLE TO NOW YOU'VE GOT FOUR PEOPLE TO DO THE OR THREE PEOPLE, I GUESS TO DO TO SIX PEOPLE TO DO THE SAME WORK THAT, YOU KNOW, A NORMAL SIZED TRUCK CAN DO. TODAY THEY'RE ALSO MAKING TWICE THE NUMBER OF TRIPS TO A DISPOSAL SITE. SO THAT ADDS ADDITIONAL TIME. IT JUST YOU'RE, YOU'RE SACRIFICING QUITE A BIT OF EFFICIENCY TO, TO GO THAT ROUTE. HOW DOES THAT MATH WORK OUT WHERE YOU GET A SLIGHTLY SMALLER TRUCK. BUT THEN IT REQUIRES DOUBLE THE, THE TRIPS. THE, THE THE BODY OF THE TRUCK. THE TRUCKS THAT WE'RE USING NOW ARE 20 TO 25 YARD CAPACITY. AND YOU ALSO HAVE TO FACTOR IN WHAT THE COMPACTION CAPABILITY IS ON A TRUCK THAT SIZE. THE NEXT STEP DOWN FROM A, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY A 20 YARD TRUCK IS A 10 OR 11 YARD CAPACITY BODY WITH A LOWER COMPACTION RATE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO REALLY BE SERIOUS ABOUT A TRUCK THAT CAN, YOU KNOW, FULLY FIT ON AN ALLEY PAVEMENT THAT'S EIGHT FEET WIDE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING DOWN TO THE SIZE OF PICKUP TRUCKS, WHICH WE DO HAVE TWO OF THOSE. [02:35:06] THAT'S A PICKUP TRUCK WITH A GARBAGE BODY ON IT. WE USE THEM FOR SOME HELPING HANDS OR PACK OUT LOCATIONS. PARKS USE THEM TO PICK UP WASTE AT PARKS. BUT THEY'RE NOT THE TYPE OF TRUCK THAT YOU USE ON A RESIDENTIAL ROUTE WHERE YOU'RE GOING HOME TO HOME TO HOME TO PICK UP WASTE. YEAH, BUT WE'RE NOT USING THOSE PICKUP TRUCKS RIGHT NOW ON ALL OF OUR EIGHT FOOT ALLEYS. WE ARE MAKING IT WORK WITH OUR CURRENT TRASH TRUCKS. YOUR POINT IS, IT'S JUST NOT SAFE. RIGHT. IT'S NOT SAFE. AND IT'S CAUSING DAMAGE AS WE GO EVERY DAY. OKAY. I THINK ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES MIGHT HAVE BEEN CHAIR MENDELSOHN ON THIS ONE AS WELL. HAD MENTIONED THAT THE COMPARISON OF THE OTHER CITIES. I MEAN, HAVE YOU PREVIOUSLY GIVEN US COMPARISON TO OTHER CITIES WITH OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE BUILT OUT LIKE BOSTON, NEW YORK, SAN FRANCISCO, PLACES THAT HAVE THIS OLD EARLY 1900 INFRASTRUCTURE? WHAT I'VE GIVEN COMPARISONS TO PREVIOUSLY IS OTHER MAJOR TEXAS CITY CITIES WITH ALLEYWAY SERVICE. SO, YOU KNOW, AUSTIN HAS 5% ALLEYWAYS. I THINK EL PASO HAS 3% HOUSTON ONE. I COULD BE MIXING THESE NUMBERS UP. I HAVEN'T DONE A COMPARISON TO OTHER US CITIES IN THAT SAME REGARD, OR I JUST FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THE MARKET DOES NOT SUPPORT MORE CREATIVE SIZED TRASH TRUCKS. YOU JUST GET A GIANT TRASH TRUCK OR YOU GET NOTHING. THAT THAT BLOWS MY MIND THAT THERE'S THERE'S SMALLER ONES. IT'S JUST YOU'RE SACRIFICING YOUR YOUR EFFICIENCY, YOUR CAPACITY. BUT I THOUGHT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THE SMALLER ONES WEREN'T BEING MANUFACTURED ANYMORE BECAUSE IT BECAUSE AFTER 1980 THERE WAS A CHANGE IN FEDERAL LAW. RIGHT. THE STANDARD TRUCKS AREN'T THEY'RE BEING ALL THEY'RE ALL BEING BUILT TO THAT, TO THAT WIDTH THAT FEDERAL REGULATIONS ALLOW. WE DO HAVE THOSE SLIGHTLY SMALLER TRUCKS THAT ARE TWO INCHES LESS OR NOT TWO INCHES NARROWER. THAT REALLY IS THE LIMIT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE SEE IN TERMS OF A NORMAL GARBAGE TRUCK, IT'S HALF THE CAPACITY. BUT THEN BEYOND THAT OR BELOW THAT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRUCKS THE SIZE OF PICKUPS, WHERE YOU'RE COLLECTING FOUR YARDS OF FOUR YARDS OF TRASH VERSUS 20, 25 YARDS OF TRASH ON A NORMAL SIZED TRUCK. I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE A ONE SIZE FITS ALL TRUCK FOR THE WHOLE CITY. YOU HAVE PARTS OF THE CITY THAT, AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED COULD JUSTIFY LARGER TRUCKS, AND THEN THE OLDER PARTS OF THE CITY COULD JUSTIFY SMALLER TRUCKS. ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE DIFFERENT SIZED GARBAGE TRUCKS. NOW WE HAVE TRUCKS THAT ARE THE THE TEN CUBIC YARD CAPACITY, 20 CUBIC YARD CAPACITY, 25 CUBIC YARD CAPACITY, 30 CUBIC YARD CAPACITY. THE PROBLEM IS THEY'RE ALL THE SAME WIDTH. THEY MAY BE LONGER. THEY MIGHT BE TALLER TO TO HANDLE THAT CAPACITY, BUT THEY'RE ALL GENERALLY ABOUT THE SAME WIDTH. HAVE WE TRIED TO PROCURE FOR SOMETHING MORE CREATIVE THAT ACTUALLY FITS WITHIN OUR CITY THERE? SO WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HERE IS WE'VE EXAMINED ALL THE THE INDUSTRY BEST PRACTICES, WHAT'S AVAILABLE IN TERMS OF STANDARD SIZE OR NOT JUST STANDARD SIZE, BUT ALTERNATIVE SIZE GARBAGE TRUCKS. AND WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED THEM IN THE UNITED STATES. THEY EXIST IN EUROPE WHERE, YOU KNOW, CONDITIONS ARE DIFFERENT, BUT THEY'RE NOT LEGAL TO OPERATE IN THE US. SO YOU'VE EXAMINED BUT HAVE YOU PUT OUT AN RFQ OR A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION TO SEEK IDEAS FROM MANUFACTURERS. WE TALKED TO THE MANUFACTURERS REGULARLY. THEY'RE VERY AWARE OF THE THE SITUATION THAT WE THEY THAT WE DEAL WITH HERE. SO NO ONE, NO ONE HAS BROUGHT TO US. HEY, DID YOU CONSIDER THIS? BECAUSE AND WE'VE CERTAINLY ASKED. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MAYOR PRO TEM, HAVE YOU BEEN RECOGNIZED AT ALL YET? OKAY. FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. MAYOR. TRASH PICKUP IS A CORE CITY SERVICE. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE COME TO EXPECT TO BE DONE IN A TIMELY AND EFFICIENT WAY. CLIFTON, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR IN THE MOST RECENT WINTER STORMS THAT WE HAD YOUR CREWS WERE ABLE TO GET OUT WITHIN 2 TO 3 DAYS AFTER THE STORM IS, I THINK THAT I SHOULD NOT GO UNNOTICED AND ALL THE EFFORTS THAT WERE PUT IN WHEN IT COMES TO SAFETY. I KNOW THAT MULTIPLE PEOPLE HAVE REQUESTED THE DATA, SO I THINK THAT'S CRITICAL THAT WE GET THAT PROVIDED. SAME THING WITH EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE BEEN INJURED AND THROUGH THE WORKER'S COMP CLAIMS SOMETHING THAT I REALLY WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER RESENDEZ AND COUNCIL [02:40:01] MEMBER BAZALDUA HIGHLIGHTED WAS THAT NO NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE SAME. AND SO ONE IS IT'S GOING TO BE UNIQUE ON HOW WE PICK UP TRASH FOR EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ALSO THE LACK OF RESPONSES FROM CERTAIN COMMUNITIES. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SURVEY IS NOT THE ONLY INDICATOR ON OPTION THREE AND THE WAY WE DO SOMETHING OR NOT DO SOMETHING. SO I WANT TO MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR THAT WE DON'T RESPOND OR REACT RATHER EXCLUSIVELY TO THE TO THE SURVEY RESPONDENTS, BECAUSE THERE'S MANY REASONS WHY PEOPLE DO NOT RESPOND TO A SURVEY. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, COMPONENT IS TAKEN OUT OF OPTION THREE. AND THEN ALSO NOT NECESSARILY A FAN OF THE OPTING OUT OPTION. AGAIN, IT BECOMES EXCLUSIVE IN SOME WHERE SOME AREAS ARE GOING TO OPT IN OR NOT OPT OUT JUST BECAUSE COMMUNICATION PURPOSES OR EDUCATION PURPOSES. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE THAT WE'RE HAVING A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD ACROSS EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD THROUGHOUT THE CITY. REALLY FINALLY WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR LONGER THAN ANY COUNCIL MEMBER AROUND THIS HORSESHOE HAS BEEN SERVING. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR OUR CITY MANAGEMENT DO A OPERATIONAL CHANGE, WE NEED TO LET THEM DO THOSE OPERATIONAL CHANGES. BUT WE NEED TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT THE TIMELINE. CONTINUING THE DISCUSSIONS IS NOT HEALTHY. IT'S PROLONGING EITHER CONTINUING THINGS, HOW THEY'RE OPERATING TODAY OR DOING DRASTIC CHANGES. AND SO I JUST WANT TO HEAR FROM OUR CITY MANAGER ON TIMELINE NEXT STEPS. ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT IF WE DO ANY CHANGES, THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE NEW ROUTES, FEE ANALYSIS, TRAINING AND SO JUST WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, GUIDANCE FROM COUNCIL ON THIS OPERATIONAL PROCESS. AND WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS. BECAUSE AS YOU HEARD AROUND THE HORSESHOE WE'RE PRETTY SPLIT. I MEAN THERE'S PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING OPTION FIVE THAT'S NOT ON THE TABLE. THERE'S PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING OPTION ONE. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE GIVING YOU SOME SOME DIRECTION ON THE NEXT STEPS. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH TO MAYOR PRO TEM MORENO, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT'S CREATED A LOT OF THE THE DIFFICULTIES AROUND IT IS THAT WE'RE BRINGING YOU AN OPERATIONAL CONVERSATION. AND, AND I KNOW HOW DIFFICULT THAT GETS BECAUSE WE TYPICALLY LIKE TO KEEP CONVERSATIONS AT A POLICY LEVEL, BUT WE WANT IT TO BE RESPONSIVE. AND I THINK WHEN I RECEIVED THE MEMORANDUM FROM BOTH COUNCIL MEMBERS FROM COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKMON AND DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIS, MY IMMEDIATE RESPONSE WAS IS THAT WE WOULD TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE WITH ENGAGEMENT, AND WE WOULD LOOK FOR ANY OTHER SOLUTIONS THAT MAYBE WE HAD NOT THOUGHT OF. AND GOING BACK TO SOMETHING THAT COUNCILMEMBER WEST SAID A LITTLE WHILE AGO, WE HAVE BEEN INTENTIONAL ABOUT LOOKING AT THE MARKET. WE HAVE NOT IGNORED THE FACT THAT MAYBE THERE ARE SOME MORE INNOVATIVE WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS, WHICH IS WHY WE'VE BEEN OUT THERE TRYING TO SEE WHAT NOT ONLY CITIES IN TEXAS, BUT WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE AROUND THE NATION. WE ARE IN A VERY DIFFERENT SITUATION THAT A LOT OF THE TEXAS CITIES, THEY DON'T HAVE THE PERCENTAGE OF ALI PICKUP THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. AND SO THE MARKET IS NOT ACTUALLY MAKING A SPECIAL TRUCK FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS RIGHT NOW. HOWEVER, WHAT WE PRESENTED TODAY AS IT RELATES TO OPTIONS WAS TO GO BACK TO WHAT WE WERE MOVING TOWARD IN OUR LAST CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNCIL. BUT NOW THAT WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THAT ADDITIONAL THOSE ADDITIONAL PERSPECTIVES AND FEEDBACK TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT SOME ADDITIONAL OPTIONS WHICH WOULD GIVE US A PATH FORWARD, IT WOULD ALLOW FOR US TO BEGIN. BUT IT'S NOT THE END OF THE CONVERSATION. IT'S ABOUT HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO DO THE DUE DILIGENCE, THE ANALYSIS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT OF OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO EXPLORE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, STOPPING AND DOING NOTHING DOES NOT ADDRESS THE RISK THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY FACING. SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS TO JUST HEAR PERSPECTIVES. AND WE'VE HEARD A LOT. I DO BELIEVE THAT WE'RE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN LOOKING AT A TRANSITION THAT WOULD CREATE A PATHWAY FOR THE MOST CRITICAL AREAS, AND THEN WE WOULD GO BACK AND WORK ON A TIMELINE. MAYOR PRO TEM MORENO THAT WOULD ADDRESS WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE NEXT 30 OR 60 DAYS. WE WOULD WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO ALSO MAKE SURE THAT WE OVERCOMMUNICATE WE'VE HEARD THE CHALLENGES AROUND NOT EVERYBODY RESPONDS TO A SURVEY. I AGREE WITH THAT. SO WE DO WANT TO DO THAT ADDITIONAL DUE DILIGENCE FOR EVEN IN THE AREAS THAT WE DID NOT GET THOSE INITIAL RESPONSES. [02:45:04] SO I THINK WHAT YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT FROM US WOULD BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN NOW AND ABOUT ANOTHER 3 TO 6 MONTHS, AND WE COULD DEFINITELY CONTINUE TO KEEP COUNCIL ABREAST OF HOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. BUT WE WOULD BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN LOOKING AT THAT INITIAL WE TALKED ABOUT AN INCREMENTAL TRANSITION. AND SO I THINK WE'RE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN OPTIONS TWO AND THREE, BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HEARD AND CONTINUE THE WORK AROUND LOOKING AT POTENTIAL THIRD PARTIES. THE TIERED RATE STRUCTURE AND THE OTHER SUGGESTIONS THAT WE'VE HEARD TODAY. SO THAT WOULD BE MY PERSPECTIVE ON HOW WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD AFTER TODAY'S DISCUSSION. MISS CADENA, I THINK YOU'RE THREE MINUTES. YES. I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE DO HAVE TO BE SOME CHANGES. CHANGE IS NOT EASY. BUT I DO KNOW, LIKE, I WANTED TO AT LEAST THANK YOU, CLIFTON, BECAUSE I KNOW AS A STAFFER, WHEN WE WERE CONSIDERING SOME CHANGES IN SOME OF MY NEIGHBORHOODS YOU ACTUALLY WORKED WITH THE WITH THE NEIGHBORS? IN SOME CASES, WE DID HAVE TO CHANGE THE ALLEY SERVICE THEN, BUT IN IN OTHER CASES, YOU WERE ABLE TO, TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND WE WERE ABLE TO CONTINUE THAT SERVICE FOR LONGER. SO I KNOW THAT YOU NEED SOME FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO, TO MAKE SOME CHANGES, AT LEAST FOR YOUR STAFF AND TO TO KEEP THEM SAFE AND KEEP THINGS EFFICIENT. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT COMMENT. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN JOHNSON RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I WANT TO THANK THE CITY MANAGER FOR YOUR COMMENT THAT YOU JUST MADE. THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM, FOR ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS. AND ALSO, COUNCILMAN BAZALDUA POINTED OUT SOMETHING VERY CLEAR THAT ALL OF THIS IS A ROBUST DISCUSSION, THAT THIS IS ALSO A DECISION THAT THE CITY MANAGER IS MAKING AND NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON. HOWEVER, THIS IS A DISCUSSION THAT'S GOING ON IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO ADMINISTRATION COMING OUT WITH ME AND HAVING THIS, THIS DISCUSSION IN MY COMMUNITY AS WELL. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING THE CLARITY. I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PANEL? YEAH. CHAIRMAN GRACEY RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, I KNOW WE SAID THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOU GOING BACK THROUGH MY DISTRICT AND APPRECIATING YOU KNOW, THE TOPOGRAPHY ISSUES, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR ONE THIS IS A TOUGH DECISION TO MOVE FORWARD IN THIS. AND I THINK THERE IS A CONSENSUS THAT NOBODY REALLY WANTS YOU KNOW, THE CURBSIDE PICKUP. BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO BALANCE KIND OF WHAT THE CONSTITUENTS WANT VERSUS THE SAFETY OF OUR EMPLOYEES. AND ONE OF THE THINGS AND AGAIN, I'M JUST I'M I GOT TO DO BETTER. BUT I'M SORRY I DIDN'T GET THESE QUESTIONS TO YOU, BUT I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW. SO I KNOW WE'RE SAYING NOT DO ANYTHING IS NOT AN OPTION. AND IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING. I THINK WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO IN THE RESEARCH IN TERMS OF REALLY UNDERSTANDING THE IMPACT OF THIS. AND I GET, YOU KNOW, TO ANALYTICAL SOMETIMES. BUT AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND ONE, WE WANT TO PROTECT, YOU KNOW, OUR EMPLOYEES. THAT'S THE OBJECTIVE FIRST AND FOREMOST TO THE TRUCK SIZES, REGARDLESS OF IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, SMALL OR SHORT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE LENGTH. IT'S THE WIDTH THAT'S THE ISSUE. ON THAT SIDE. SO AGAIN, IT'S ALMOST AS IF, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE COULD CONSIDER EXPLORING OTHER OPTIONS WITH THE SMALLER TRUCKS AND THE MORE ROUTES, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO IN THIS. SO YOU KNOW, AND LISTENING TO MY COLLEAGUES AND ALL OF THAT, I'M SOMEWHERE BETWEEN OPTIONS TWO AND 3 OR 2 AND FOUR, ACTUALLY. BUT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THERE. SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT MY COLLEAGUES MENTIONED HERE AS WELL. BUT UNDERSTANDING THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION AND SOMETIMES CHANGE IS IS GOOD. BUT AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO REALLY CONSIDER THE QUALITY OF LIFE. AT LEAST FROM MY DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE FACED UP AGAINST. SO THANK YOU AGAIN. MR. MAYOR, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT, THEN, WHAT MY INTENTION WILL BE IS TO RECESS UNTIL 1:00, MR. MAYOR. YEAH, BUT I WAS GOING TO SAY BEFORE WE DO THAT I HAD A COUPLE OF ANNOUNCEMENTS, I BELIEVE. SO I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE CHAIRWOMAN STEWART FOR AN ANNOUNCEMENT. FIRST, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR JOHNSON. SO CHAIR RIDLEY HAD A BIRTHDAY LAST WEEK DURING THE ICE STORM, SO WE WERE UNABLE TO CELEBRATE WITH HIM LAST WEEK. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT TODAY. AND I HAVE ALREADY TAPPED OUR CITY MANAGER TO HELP US WITH THE BIRTHDAY SONG WHEN YOU'RE READY. ALL RIGHT, WELL, HOLD ON ONE SECOND, BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE. DO WE HAVE ANOTHER ANNOUNCEMENT AS WELL? MISS BLACKMON. WELL AND WE ARE ALSO CELEBRATING MISTER MARINA'S BIRTHDAY. HE'LL BE 33 TODAY. ANYWAY, SO WE'RE HAVING DOUBLE CAKE. AND SO, ANYWAY, HAPPY BIRTHDAY. AND I GUESS, CAN YOU ADD HIS NAME TO THE LIST AS WELL? [02:50:02] WE'RE GOING TO DO JMP, JMP, JESSE AND PAUL. ARE YOU GOING TO DO PJ PAUL AND JESSE OKAY. YEAH HAPPY BIRTHDAY PJ. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. ALL RIGHT. HAPPY BIRTHDAY. TAKE IT AWAY. AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO GO INTO RECESS UNTIL 1:00. SO OKAY WE'RE READY. HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU. HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU. HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR P AND J HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU. WOW OKAY. AND WITH THAT WE ARE AT RECESS UNTIL 1 P.M. P. ALL RIGHT. IT'S 1:10 P.M. AND WE ARE NOW BACK IN REGULAR SESSION HERE FOR OUR BRIEFING FOR TODAY. SO, MADAM CITY MANAGER, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. MAYOR. WE ARE READY TO PRESENT OUR SECOND AND LAST BRIEFING ITEM FOR TODAY. ITEM NUMBER B. THIS BRIEFING IS ABOUT THE FUTURE OF DALLAS LOVE FIELD. AFTER TODAY'S PRESENTATION, I THINK YOU WILL SHARE IN THE EXCITEMENT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR TODAY AS WE PRESENT THE LOVE FIELD EXPANSION AIRPORT PROGRAM, BETTER KNOWN AS LEP. THIS INITIATIVE BUILDS ON THE MASTER PLAN COMPLETED ON DECEMBER 31ST OF LAST YEAR, AND OUR TEAM IS NOW FINALIZING THE PROJECT DEFINITION DOCUMENTS TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THE LEAP FORWARD. THIS IS A TRANSFORMATIVE CAPITAL PROGRAM DESIGNED TO EXPAND CAPACITY, MODERNIZE FACILITIES, AND SUPPORT LONG TERM GROWTH FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS. THIS SEVEN YEAR IMPLEMENTATION PLAN REPRESENTS A $2.5 BILLION INVESTMENT, WHICH WILL BE THE LARGEST IN LOVE FIELD'S HISTORY. IT WILL ENSURE THAT THE AIRPORT CONTINUES TO DELIVER SAFE, SECURE, EFFICIENT AND FRIENDLY AIR SERVICE FOR DECADES TO COME. AND HERE'S THE BEST PART. ALL OF THIS WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED WITHOUT ONE SINGLE DOLLAR FROM THE GENERAL FUND. SO TO SHARE WITH YOU ABOUT WHERE WE ARE WITH THE LEAP, THE ONGOING IMPLEMENTATION EFFORTS, PLEASE WELCOME OUR DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION PATRICK CARINO. AND HE WILL INTRODUCE ONE OF OUR DEPUTY DIRECTORS AS WELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. KIM. PATRICK RIJINO, DIRECTOR OF AVIATION. WITH ME TODAY IS MUSTAFA JAYNIE. HE'S A DEPUTY DIRECTOR WITH US. OUR CHIEF DEVELOPMENT OFFICER, MUSTAFA HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING US TRANSITION FROM THE MASTER PLAN TO LEAP. AND HE'LL BE HERE TODAY TO SUPPORT ME AND ALSO SUPPORTING THE PROGRAM MOVING FORWARD. SO I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THAT LOVE FIELD EXPANSION AIRPORT PROGRAM. AND THANK YOU, KIM, FOR THAT INTRODUCTION. WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE BACKGROUND FIRST ON HOW WE GOT HERE. I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE TRANSITION WHAT WE CALL THE PREFERRED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE TRANSFORMATION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE AT DALLAS LOVE FIELD, HOW WE'RE GOING TO DELIVER THE PROGRAM, THE COST, THE FUNDING AND THE NEXT STEPS. SO TO START ON THE TIMELINE THIS REALLY GOES BACK TO THE LOVE FIELD MODERNIZATION PROGRAM. THAT ABOUT 12, 11, 12 YEARS AGO OPENED UP. IT WAS DESIGNED FOR MAXIMUM CAPACITY OF 8 MILLION IN PLANE PASSENGERS. WHEN WE SAY 8 MILLION PLANE PASSENGERS, THAT'S PASSENGER BOARDING. THE REASON WE DO THAT IS A LOT OF OUR FUNDING AND OUR RATES THAT WE SET ARE, ARE BASED ON PASSENGER BOARDING. SO YOU WANT TOTAL PASSENGERS, YOU JUST ESSENTIALLY DOUBLE THAT NUMBER. BY 2018, THAT REALLY WE EXCEEDED THAT CAPACITY. SO A LOT OF YOU THAT YOU'VE FLOWN OUT OF THERE, YOU'VE SEEN KIND OF THE HEADACHES THAT WE HAVE. SO WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW WE GOT INTO THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS. WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT IS IT'S THE DALLAS FIELD IS A HUGE ECONOMIC ENGINE. I THINK YOU ALL KNOW THAT FOR FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS. AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO RUN THAT ENGINE AND CONTINUE TO GROW. AND TO DO THAT, WE'VE GOT TO, YOU KNOW, FIX SOME OF OUR CHALLENGES AND AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, MAKE SURE WE'RE PREPARED FOR THE FUTURE. SO WE STARTED THAT PROCESS REALLY IN EARLY 23 AND FORMALIZED THE PROCESS IN OCTOBER OF 23. WE SPENT THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. WE HAD A LOT OF OPEN HOUSES, PUBLIC OPEN HOUSES SOME TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE BRIEFINGS. AND IN A FULL BRIEFING TO THE CITY COUNCIL IN AUGUST OF THIS YEAR THIS IS ALL TIED TO OUR NEW AIRLINE USE AND LEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN US AND SOUTHWEST. SOUTHWEST HAS BEEN A GREAT PARTNER IN THIS. THEY'RE KIND OF LOCKSTEP WITH US. THAT AGREEMENT GIVES US A MECHANISM FOR SOME OF THE FUNDING, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT IN THIS PRESENTATION. BUT THEY'VE ESSENTIALLY PRE-APPROVED PAYING OUR RATES AND CHARGES FOR THE 800 MILLION FOR THE TERMINAL BUILDING FUNDING. THAT'S THE HEADHOUSE IN THE CONCOURSE. SO WE'LL TALK A LOT ABOUT THAT FUNDING MECHANISM AND HOW THAT WORKS. [02:55:02] NEXT SLIDE. ACTIVITY FORECASTS. SO WHAT'S KEY ON THIS. THERE'S A LOT GOING ON THIS SLIDE. BUT WE WANTED TO VISUALIZE KIND OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED REALLY SINCE PRIOR TO WRIGHT AMENDMENT REFORM, SO THAT FMRP IS THE LOVE FIELD MODERNIZATION PROGRAM. THAT'S THE NEW TERMINAL THAT'S ABOUT TO BE THE OLD TERMINAL. THE BLUE LINE IS THE AIRPLANE PASSENGERS, AND THAT'S OUR FORECAST. SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'VE COME OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS AND WHERE WE'RE HEADING. THE RED LINE IS AIRLINE OPERATIONS. SO REALLY, WE WANT TO GET TO THOSE PASSENGER ACTIVITY LEVELS. THAT'S THE PLANNING FORECAST THAT TAKES US OUT TO WHAT ESSENTIALLY THE USE AND LEASE AGREEMENT TAKES US TO AROUND 2040. SO WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT THIS? THERE'S CERTAIN LEVELS THAT WE LOOK AT DIFFERENT TRIGGERS ON DIFFERENT NEEDS. SO WE LOOK AT THE BASE AND ONE, TWO AND THREE PLANNING LEVEL. AND WE'LL DISCUSS THIS MORE AS WE GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. NEXT SLIDE. THIS SLIDE WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU A VISUAL OF MAYBE A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO UNDERSTAND. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE LEGEND, IT'S GREEN. THE GREEN IS GOOD. GREENS GO AS YOU GO DOWN THE LIST, THE WORSE IT GETS. SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE THE BASE. AND YOU CAN SEE SOME GREEN AND YOU SEE SOME YELLOW. IDEALLY IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO GET EVERYTHING GREEN, BUT YOU'D LIKE TO BE KIND OF IN THE YELLOW RANGE. AND AS YOU START TO GET THE ORANGE AND THE DARKER COLORS, THAT'S VERY PROBLEMATIC. ANYBODY WHO'S FLOWN ON OUT AND YOU SEE HOW MUCH CONSTRAINT WE HAVE WITH CONCESSIONS, RESTROOMS ON THE AIRSIDE PASSENGER FLOWS. SO YOU CAN START TO VISUALIZE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE. THE CURBSIDE IS IS ONE OF OUR LARGER CHALLENGES, WHICH IS VERY HARD TO FIX. JUST KIND OF WITHOUT A SIGNIFICANT PROGRAM. SO THIS VISUALIZES WHERE WE'VE ESTABLISHED THE NEEDS IN THE MASTER PLAN ON WHERE WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE THE DESIGN AND THE PROPOSALS. NEXT SLIDE. SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. THIS IS IN THE LEASE AGREEMENT. THE RIGHT AMENDMENT REFORM ACT RESTRICTED US FROM 32 DOWN TO 20 GATES ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO. SO THAT LED TO THE LOVE FIELD MODERNIZATION PROCESS. LEAP ADDRESSES CONGESTION RELIEF THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. FOR NOW, AND AS WE INCREASE INTO THE FUTURE IN THOSE PLANNING ACTIVITY LEVELS IT DOES ALSO ALLOW IF FUTURE GATES DID COME ONLINE, THERE'S FLEXIBILITY TO EXPAND THAT, BUT CURRENTLY NOT IN THERE. WE'RE ALSO ALLOWS US TO USE AIRCRAFT HARDSTAND POSITIONS. AND YOU'RE WONDERING WHAT A HARDSTAND IS. IT'S IT'S A GROUND LOADING POSITION. SO A HARDSTAND BY DEFINITION IS A PARKING SPOT, AND YOU HAVE A RAMP. YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THESE IN AIRPORTS IN CALIFORNIA AND FLORIDA WHERE YOU'RE NOT GOING DOWN A PASSENGER BRIDGE. AND HOW WE USE THOSE IS FOR REGULAR OPERATIONS. THOSE ARE DELAYS WHETHER OTHER FACTORS. SO THE USE AND LEASE AGREEMENT CONTEMPLATES US USING THAT, PARTICULARLY FOR CONSTRUCTION AS WELL. SO AS WE WERE CONSTRAINED, WE HAVE TO GO AND WORK AND EXPAND THE CONCOURSE. YOU CAN SEE THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE TO TAKE CERTAIN GATES DOWN AND THAT'S WHERE THE CARD STANDS. PLAY A KEY ROLE. ALSO IN THE AIRLINE USE AND LEASE AGREEMENT, WE DO HAVE WE CALL IT MAJORITY AND INTEREST APPROVALS, A PRE-APPROVAL OF FUNDING FOR $600 MILLION FROM SOUTHWEST AIRLINES. SO IF THAT FEDERAL LAW WERE TO CHANGE WE CAN BUILD THOSE 12 GATES ALREADY WITH THIS BODY'S APPROVAL. BUT THE THE AIRLINE AGREEMENT CONTEMPLATE, HAS THAT IN THERE. SO WE'RE REALLY NOT WAITING. WE'RE WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING TO PROTECT OURSELVES FROM THE FUTURE. IF THAT FUTURE, WHATEVER THAT FUTURE IS. AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT BACKGROUND ON THE RIGHT AMENDMENT. THE NEXT SLIDE. SO I TALKED ABOUT ON THE MASTER PLAN, WE'RE IN A TRANSITION PERIOD. SO WE'VE HANDED OUT SOME OF THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARIES AND WE HAVE THE TECHNICAL REPORTS DONE. WE FINISHED AT THE END OF LAST YEAR. WITH THAT, THERE'S THE PREFERRED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THAT'S REALLY 14 KEY PROJECTS I'M GOING TO WALK THROUGH WITH YOU ON. HOW DO WE ACCOMMODATE THE GROWTH? HOW DO WE KIND OF TAKE WHERE KIND OF OUR CHALLENGES ARE NOW, AND HOW DO WE PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE? AGAIN, WE'VE DONE SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY AND STAKEHOLDER PARTICIPATION. WILL BE CONTINUING THAT AND EXPANDING THAT AS THE PROGRAM COMES ONLINE. SO ON THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE A VISUAL OF THE PREFERRED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. IT'S REALLY BROKEN UP INTO FOUR KEY AREAS. IF WE COULD GO BACK ONE SLIDE. THANK YOU. THESE KEY AREAS ARE AIRSIDE WHICH IS THINK OF THE CONCOURSE, THE THE PARKING POSITIONS. THERE IS TERMINAL. SO THAT'S THE TERMINAL PROCESSING AND THERE'S LANDSIDE ROADWAYS, PARKING GARAGES AND ALSO CONSOLIDATED RENTAL CAR FACILITY AND ALSO SUPPORT FACILITIES THERE IN RED. SO AS WE START TO TALK ABOUT THE TRANSFORMATION OF DALLAS LOVE FIELD. [03:00:05] NEXT SLIDE. OKAY. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CALL ADVANCED PLANNING. SO THAT'S THE PROGRAM PROJECT DEFINITION DOCUMENT. WE EXPECT TO BE HAVE THAT DONE IN JUNE. THAT'S REALLY GOING TO BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN THE MASTER PLAN AND THE ACTUAL DESIGN. SO A LOT OF WHAT YOU'VE SEEN, WE SHOWED A NICE VISUAL TO YOU IN AUGUST AND CONCEPTS, NOTHING'S BEEN DESIGNED BUT THIS IS REALLY IT'S IT'S OVERCROWDED TODAY. YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE MAKE THIS WORK? HOW DO WE KEEP THE OPERATION GOING? WHEN WE GET TO DESIGN, IT DEFINES THE PROGRAM WIDE REQUIREMENTS. A LOT OF. I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF YOU. YOU'VE HEARD THIS BEFORE. WE HAVE TO PRESERVE THAT CUSTOMER EASE OF USE THAT ACCESSIBILITY, THAT HIGH LEVEL OF CUSTOMER SERVICE, THAT IDENTITY THAT DALLAS LOVE FIELD IS KNOWN FOR. THAT'S A CRITICAL PIECE THAT WE WANT TO GET RIGHT AS WE LOOK TO GROW THE AIRPORT. AND IT'S ALSO GOING TO HELP US GUIDE DECISION MAKING WHEN WE GET INTO DESIGN AND REALLY DIAL IN OUR SCOPE, COST AND SCHEDULE. THAT'S REALLY KEY. WE'VE NEGOTIATED A SPECIFIC RATE WITH THE AIRLINES, SO IT'S KEY THAT WE STAY ON BUDGET AND ON SCHEDULE WITH THIS PROGRAM. SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE NEXT SLIDE WHERE WE'RE AT. WE ARE STARTING TO GET WE'VE WORKED THROUGH SOME OF THE EARLY STUFF IN THE PDG WHICH IS SUPPORT FACILITY RELOCATIONS. THESE DON'T SEEM VERY EXCITING, BUT THEY'RE VERY BIG PIECES FOR US RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE TO MOVE A LOT OF EMPTY CHAIRS AROUND WHERE ONE OF THE NEW GARAGES IS GOING TO GO, GARAGE D THERE'S ACTUALLY A GENERAL USE BUILDING THAT SOUTHWEST USES FOR CARGO PROVISIONING. IT'S A KEY OPERATIONAL IMPACT A TERTIARY. IT'S NOT VERY EXCITING. IT'S LAB. AIRCRAFT WASTE HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE. YOU KNOW, THE AIRCRAFTS HAVE TO CONTINUE TO FUNCTION OR ARE OPERATE AND CENTRAL RECEIVING DISTRIBUTIONS KEY AS WELL. WE HAVE A LOT OF PRODUCT THAT GOES THROUGH THE THE AIRPORT FROM THE CONCESSIONS OTHER GOODS AND THOSE ALL HAVE TO BE SCREENED. YOU CAN'T JUST BRING THEM INTO THE TERMINAL JUST LIKE PASSENGERS. SO WE HAVE TO GET THOSE KEY AREAS SET UP. AND WITH THAT, ALSO ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE HAVE OUR AIRFIELD MAINTENANCE. RELOCATION IS ALSO KEY. SO WE'VE GOT TO MOVE THESE CHAIRS OUT OF THE WAY SO WE CAN START DOING WORK. SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT INITIALLY. WE'RE CONTINUING THROUGH THE PDE. WE'LL CONTINUE. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN QUITE YET TO ROADWAY ENTRYWAY IMPROVEMENTS. CONSOLIDATED RENTAL CAR. BUT IF YOU SEE ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE ARE IN THE KIND OF TERMINAL AREA IMPROVEMENT. SO WE KNOW WE NEED A NEW PARKING GARAGE WITH 5000 SPACES. WE KNOW WE NEED A NEW PROCESSING. THAT'S PASSENGER SCREENING, BAGGAGE CLAIM, BAGGAGE SYSTEM, ROADWAYS CURBSIDE ROADWAYS. AND WE KNOW WE NEED TO EXPAND THE CONCOURSE. AND I THINK EVERYBODY IN HERE UNDERSTANDS WE NEED TO EXPAND THE CONCOURSE. SO WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THESE ARE SOME OF THE MASTER PLAN INFORMATION FROM THE NEXT SLIDE ON SOME OF OUR GAPS. FIRST WITH PARKING WHERE I SAID WE NEED 5000 SPACES. THIS IS KIND OF THE MODEL THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. WE HAVE TO TAKE GARAGE A DOWN. IT'S OUR OLDEST GARAGE. IT NEEDS TO GO AWAY. WE'RE LOOKING TO MOVE THAT TERMINAL PROCESSOR TO THAT THAT LOCATION. SO THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT WE DO HAVE ENOUGH SPACE RIGHT NOW TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN WHILE WE WE LOOK TO BUILD THE GARAGE. D AND THEN ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THIS, BUT IT REALLY STARTS TO GIVE YOU A VISUAL OF SOME OF THE SPACE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE. AND IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT FACILITY, WHERE DO YOU PUT ALL THIS. SO EVERYTHING FROM OUTBOUND BAGGAGE DEVICES IS A BAGGAGE CLAIM UNITS. IF YOU LOOK AT CIRCULATION SPACE, CONCESSION RESTROOMS, THERE'S A LOT OF SPACE THAT'S NEEDED. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S BROUGHT US INTO THIS PDC AND WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HEAD WITH DESIGN ON SOME OF THE DECISIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE. AND THEN ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE DON'T HAVE DATES TIED TO THIS. WE'RE EXPECTING ABOUT A 6 TO 7 YEAR PROGRAM. WE EXPECT ENABLING WORK TO BE STARTING IN 2027. AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THIS BROKEN UP IN DIFFERENT PHASES. BUT AS WE BRING OUR PROGRAM TEAM IN WE WILL EVOLVE THIS AND, AND GET A MORE FIRM SCHEDULE WITH DELIVERABLES ON THAT. AND SPEAKING OF DELIVERY, SO HOW WE DELIVER THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN HEAVILY THOUGHT OUT. WE'VE LOOKED AT INDUSTRY BEST PRACTICES, WHAT AIRPORTS ARE DOING. MYSELF AND MUSTAFA HAVE BEEN ON OTHER AIRPORT PROGRAMS. SO WE REALLY WANT TO SET UP HOW IS THIS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. SO WE HAVE KIND OF A THIS IS A KIND OF LIVING ORGANIZATIONAL CHART THAT WE USE INTERNALLY. AND THE GREEN IS IS REALLY THE EXECUTIVE TEAM AND MYSELF. AND WE'RE LOOKING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FOUR PROCUREMENTS THAT WILL GO THROUGH IN A COUPLE SLIDES HERE. [03:05:03] BUT WE START TO BRING THIS PROGRAM TEAM TOGETHER, AND THAT WILL BE THE CONSULTANT SUPPORT THAT'S LOOKING AT THIS PROGRAMMATIC AND, AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT DELIVERABLES THAT WE NEED TO DO. ONE OF THE KEY THINGS IS OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH SOUTHWEST. SO IN THE USE AND LEASE AGREEMENT WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED THE LEAP ADVISORY COMMITTEE. SOUTHWEST IS A KEY PARTNER IN THIS. THEY'RE MOST OF THE OPERATION. SO THEY'RE KIND OF THERE WITH US. IF WE COULD GO BACK. ONE SLIDE. THANK YOU. THEY'RE WITH US. LOCKSTEP. THEY'RE IN THE ROOM WITH US AS WE'RE MAKING SOME DECISIONS. ONE OF THE CAVEATS IS THEY'RE NON-VOTING. SO. SO EXECUTIVE STAFF FROM THE AVIATION CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE IS GOING TO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU. BUT WE ARE LISTENING TO SOUTHWEST. THEY HAVE A VERY EFFICIENT OPERATION AND IMPORTANT OPERATION. AND WE HAVE TO KEEP THEM THAT WE'RE MEETING THEIR NEEDS AS WELL. IT'S NOT JUST US. NEXT SLIDE. SO WE HAVE FOUR CURRENT PROCUREMENTS THAT ARE OUT. WE'LL BE RETURNING IN APRIL WITH THESE. AND I'LL GO THROUGH THAT TIMELINE. THE FIRST THIS IS A KEY ROLE AS THE EXECUTIVE PROGRAM ADVISOR. WHAT THIS PERSON DO IS, IS KIND OF A BRIDGE BETWEEN MYSELF, OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM AND THE. AND THE PROGRAM MANAGER. THEY ARE HEAVY ON RISK MANAGEMENT, VALUE OPTIMIZATION. THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US KIND OF STRATEGIC GUIDANCE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE DECISIONS. AND THEY HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE AND KNOW HOW TO WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT TEAM AND ESSENTIALLY MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS NEEDS ARE BEING MET WITH THE PROGRAM TEAM. THIS IS A MODEL THAT'S WORKED REALLY WELL OVER THE LAST DECADE OR SO AT SIMILAR SIZED AIRPORTS. YOU'LL SEE THIS AT DFW. YOU'LL SEE THIS IN AUSTIN. AND YOU KNOW, MUSTAFA AND I HAVE BOTH EXPERIENCED WORKING IN THIS ENVIRONMENT. IT'S A KEY ROLE. IT'S A VERY SMALL TEAM. SOMETIMES IT'S JUST ONE PERSON, 1 OR 2 PEOPLE, BUT IT'S A KEY INITIAL PROCUREMENT IN THE NEXT SLIDE. SO PROGRAM MANAGEMENT I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH. THIS IS WHAT YOU'LL SEE ON PROJECTS THAT ARE TENS OF MILLIONS IN PROJECTS THAT ARE BILLIONS. YOU KNOW, THESE ARE GOING TO BE THE TEAM THAT HELPS DELIVER THE PROJECT CONTROLS THE PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT. THEY'RE GOING TO HELP US WITH FINANCIAL CAPITAL PLANNING. THEY'RE GOING TO AUGMENT OUR STAFF. WE'RE ACTUALLY A SMALL TEAM, AND THEY'LL BRING IN EXPERTISE AS WE NEED AS THE PROJECT GROWS. ANOTHER KEY INITIAL PROGRAM, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO REALLY HELP US SET UP FOR WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO FOR DESIGN RECOMMENDATIONS AND CONSTRUCTION AND DELIVERY. AND THEN ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE HAVE TWO OTHER TWO OTHER PROCUREMENTS THAT WE'LL BE BRINGING TO THIS BODY. ONE IS UTILITY PLANNING SERVICES. THIS IS KEY. WE HAVE A VERY OLD AIRPORT. WE HAVE A LOT OF OLD INFRASTRUCTURE. AND ALSO PART OF THIS IS WE HAD A SUSTAINABILITY MASTER PLAN AS PART OF OUR MASTER PLAN. SO HOW ARE WE SETTING UP OUR SUSTAINABLE GUIDELINES? OUR RESILIENCY. WE HAVE A CENTRAL UTILITY PLANT THAT NEEDS TO HAVE A FRESH LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO YOU KNOW, MEET SOME OF THE THE GOALS THAT WE HAVE AND THE CITY HAS AROUND SUSTAINABILITY. AND REALLY IT'S GOING TO HELP US GET COST ESTIMATION AS WELL. THERE'S SOME THINGS OUT THERE WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT, AND WE NEED TO GET THOSE IN NOW SO THAT WE CAN START FEEDING THAT TO THE DESIGN TEAMS. AND LASTLY, IT'S DIGITAL TRANSFORMATION. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S I'M EXCITED ABOUT. I MEAN, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT HOW DO WE IMPROVE EFFICIENCY AND CONSTRUCTION EFFICIENCY AND THEN ASSET MANAGEMENT. SO WE'RE ESSENTIALLY GOING TO BUILD A VIRTUAL TWIN OR DIGITAL TWIN OF THE ENTIRE AIRPORT. WE'LL START WITH THE TERMINAL COMPLEX AND THIS PROGRAM AND THIS WILL ROLL OUT AND WILL FEED IN INFORMATION FROM STAKEHOLDERS THAT THEY HAVE OR ANY IMPROVEMENTS. AND THIS IS REALLY GOING TO KIND OF CHANGE THE WAY THAT WE LOOK AND AND WE MAINTAIN AND OPERATE DALLAS LOVE FIELD. SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT AS WELL. SO THOSE ARE FOUR KEY PROCUREMENTS COMING. NEXT SLIDE. SO COSTS AND FUNDING. AND THE NEXT SLIDE YOU'LL SEE WE'VE TRIED TO BREAK OUT WHAT WE KNOW RIGHT NOW. SO THIS IS A HUGE PROGRAM. IT'S $2.5 BILLION. IT'S BY FAR THE BIGGEST PROGRAM THAT WE'VE DONE AT DALLAS LOVE FIELD. HOW THIS WORKS IS THE CITY MANAGER STATED WE DO NOT USE GENERAL FUND, LOCAL SALES TAX, PROPERTY TAX. THIS IS AIRPORT REVENUE. AND THEN THESE FUNDING SOURCES. SO THREE BIG AREAS, GENERAL AIRPORT REVENUE BONDS THOSE ARE BACKED BY AIRPORT REVENUE. WE WE CURRENTLY HAVE GUARDS AS WELL NOW. THAT WILL BE. THAT'S DEBT THAT IS THEN THAT PAID BY OUR AIRPORT REVENUE. WE HAVE A VERY POSITIVE RATING WITH THE RATING AGENCIES RIGHT NOW, AND WE HAVE THE DEBT CAPACITY TO TAKE THIS PROGRAM ON THREE OTHER BIG SOURCES OUTSIDE OF THE GRANTS. OUR PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGE. THIS IS A FEE THAT'S FEDERALLY REGULATED. [03:10:04] IT'S $4.50 PER TICKET. JUST ABOUT VIRTUALLY EVERY AIRPORT IN THE US. YOU PAY THIS WHEN YOU BOARD A PLANE? WE COLLECT THAT REVENUE, AND WE USE THAT FOR AIRPORT PROJECTS WITH AIRLINE APPROVAL. AND THE CUSTOMER FACILITY CHARGE IS A TRIP FEE THAT YOU PAY WHEN YOU RENT A CAR. SO AS WE LOOK AT BUILDING THE CONSOLIDATED RENTAL CAR FACILITY, THAT'S HOW THAT FACILITY GETS FUNDED IS BY THE CFC. SO NEXT STEPS. AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE THOSE FOUR KEY PROCUREMENTS THAT WILL ANTICIPATE BRINGING TO THIS BODY IN APRIL FOR A RECOMMENDATION AND AWARD. WE ARE GOING TO FINISH THE PROJECT DEFINITION AND DOCUMENT THAT'S GOING TO REALLY WRAP UP OUR ADVANCED PLANNING BY JUNE. AND THEN ONCE THE PROGRAM TEAMS START TO COME ON, WE'RE GOING TO START TO LOOK AT HOW DO WE DELIVER HOW DO WE BREAK UP THESE PACKAGES? HOW ARE THEY DELIVERED? HOW ARE THEY DESIGNED? AND THEN WE WILL CONTINUE THE, THE STAKEHOLDER COMMUNITY AND INTERAGENCY COORDINATION. SO AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE KEY WORKING WITH ALL ASPECTS REGIONALLY LOCALLY ON WHAT WE'RE DOING, HOW WE GET PEOPLE INVOLVED WITH THE PROGRAM. AND THEN WE'LL BE DOING WE HAVE A BRAND SET UP AND THAT WE'LL BE LAUNCHING SOON IN A WEBSITE THAT WE'LL SHARE WITH YOU AS WELL. AND WE WOULD ANTICIPATE COMING BACK TO THE FULL CITY COUNCIL BY THE SUMMER WITH PROGRESS UPDATES AND NEXT STEPS WITH THIS PROGRAM. AND I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PATRICK. MEMBERS JUMP IN. I'M WAITING FOR SOME FOLKS TO FEEL. OKAY. THERE WE GO. CHAIRMAN RIDLEY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES FOR THE PUBLIC. WE ARE ON TODAY'S BRIEFING AGENDA, ITEM B. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO, PATRICK, A VERY BASIC QUESTION. IF WE'RE INVESTING $2.5 BILLION INTO THESE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT THE NUMBER OF GATES DOESN'T CHANGE, WHERE IS THE ADDITIONAL INCREMENTAL REVENUE COMING FROM TO AMORTIZE THOSE BONDS? THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO IS WE'RE JUST WE'RE JUST UNDER 9 MILLION OR SO IN PAYMENTS. WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO 12 MILLION. THAT'S WHAT WE THINK IS PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE TO RUN THROUGH 20 GATES. WE HAVE THE HIGHEST GATE UTILIZATION PROBABLY IN THE WORLD. IF YOU LOOK AT DFW HAS 80 PLUS MILLION PASSENGERS, BUT THEY HAVE ALMOST 200 GATES. SO WE'RE WE'RE DOING A LOT. SO THIS PROJECT ALLOWS US TO EVEN BE MORE EFFICIENT AND GET THAT EXTRA 3 MILLION IN PAYMENTS OUT. SO THAT'S HOW WE END UP FUNDING THIS PROGRAM IS WE GET TO 11 TO 12 MILLION IN PLANE PASSENGERS IN THE 20 GATE CAP. WELL, IF WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE NUMBER OF GATES, HOW DO WE SIGNIFICANTLY, BY A FACTOR OF 50%, INCREASE THE NUMBER OF ENPLANEMENTS. SO THERE'S TWO THINGS SOUTHWEST, WHICH IS THE MAJORITY OF OUR TRAFFIC THERE'S UP GAUGING. SO THERE'S MORE SEATS ON EACH PLANE AND THEY SLIGHTLY INCREASE THEIR TURNS PER GATE. THEY GET UP TO ABOUT 11.5, ACCORDING TO OUR FORECASTS. THE FORECASTS ARE DEVELOPED BY FAA GUIDELINES. THEY'RE PRETTY CONSERVATIVE. SOUTHWEST HAS BACKED THAT UP AS WELL. SO WE WILL ESSENTIALLY ADD MORE SEATS INTO THE MARKET. AND IF YOU SEE ON I THINK IT'S SLIDE THREE YOU'LL SEE THAT OPERATION AIRLINE OPERATIONS REMAINS RELATIVELY FLAT. SO YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY ADDING MORE YOU'RE ADDING MORE SEATS INTO THE MARKET RATHER THAN MORE PLANES. SO YOU DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY INCREASE IN TAKEOFFS AND LANDINGS AS A RESULT OF THIS PROGRAM. SO A SLIGHT INCREASE. BUT TRADITIONALLY, WHAT HAS HAPPENED, BECAUSE WE'RE SO CAPPED ON GATE UTILIZATION THAT THEY CAN'T PHYSICALLY TURN MORE PLANES. THEY'RE AT TEN AND A HALF, 11 SOME DAYS NOW TO GET TO 11.5 TURNS. SO WE ALSO HAVE A VOLUNTARY CURFEW. SO BETWEEN 6 A.M. AND 11 P.M.. I THINK IF YOU FLY A PLANE, YOU SEE HOW LONG IT TAKES TO PARK IT? GET THE PASSENGERS OFF. TURN THAT PLANE. THAT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, PUSHING IT. THEY DO A REALLY GOOD JOB HERE. IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST. IS KNOWN FOR QUICK TURNAROUNDS. THEY'RE. THEY'RE KNOWN FOR QUICK TURNS. THEY HAVE SOME LARGER AIRCRAFT, THE 808 MAX THAT THEY'VE BROUGHT INTO THE FLEET OVER THE LAST DECADE OR SO. YOU'LL SEE MORE OF THOSE. THE PERCENTAGE OF THAT GO UP HIGHER. AND THAT'S HOW WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THE THE PASSENGERS GO. SO HIGHER CAPACITY AIRCRAFT, HIGHER CAPACITY AIRCRAFT I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'D HAVE TO CHECK WITH SOUTHWEST, BUT THEY'RE PROBABLY ABOUT 40% OF THE 800 OR 8 MAX, AND THE REST ARE THE 7 OR 7 MAX OR 700. THERE'S ABOUT, I WANT TO SAY LIKE 25, 35 SEAT DIFFERENCE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE AIRCRAFT THAT'S HOW WE GET THE SEAT CAPACITY. AND SO SOUTHWEST IS ON BOARD WITH THIS EXPANSION PLAN AND THE EXPENDITURES BASED UPON THEIR PROJECTIONS OF INCREASED PASSENGER [03:15:07] LOADS AND THEREFORE REVENUE. YES, THERE'S TWO KEY COMPONENTS TO THAT. THE FIRST IS THE FORECAST THAT WE'RE REQUIRED, THE CITY'S REQUIRED TO SUBMIT TO THE FAA. THEY APPROVED THAT AT HEADQUARTERS. WE WORK CLOSELY WITH SOUTHWEST BECAUSE WE'RE AN ANOMALY. WE ACTUALLY DO WHAT'S CALLED A CONSTRAINED FORECAST. WE'RE THE ONLY AIRPORT IN THE COUNTRY THAT DOES THAT. SO OUR REAL MARKET IS MUCH LARGER. SO WE HAVE TO CONDENSE IT DOWN TO WHAT WE THINK WE CAN DO IN THE GATE CAP, AND WE CREATE A FORECAST THAT'S FAIRLY ACCURATE. AND THE AIRLINES ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF MAKING MONEY, AND THEY WANT TO GET THAT RIGHT AS WELL. AND ON THE SAME WITH THE, THE THE APPROVAL IN THE OLA. THAT'S A SIGN THAT THEY APPROVED. WE WORK THROUGH THEM ON ALL THESE 14 PROJECTS. AND THE MASTER PLAN, EVEN THOUGH DIRECTLY THEY'RE PAYING THE RATES AND CHARGES TO PAY FOR THE TERMINAL AND THE HEADHOUSE, THE CONCOURSE. IT DOES IMPACT THEM IN OTHER AREAS. WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A RESIDUAL AGREEMENT. IN A RESIDUAL AGREEMENT, WE DO A REVENUE SHARE. SO A LOT OF THE RISK IS ON THE AIRLINES. AND WE WITH THAT, WE SHARE SOME OF OUR REVENUE AND KEEP THOSE COSTS DOWN. SO THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED IN HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE MAKING CONCESSIONS, HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE MAKING IN PARKING. BECAUSE THAT DIRECTLY IMPACTS THEM. SO WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THEM FOR SEVERAL YEARS ON THAT AGREEMENT AND ALSO ON THIS PROGRAM. SO WILL SOUTHWEST CONTRIBUTE ANY DIRECT CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE COST OF THESE CONSTRUCTION IMPROVEMENTS, OR WILL IT ALL BE DEFRAYED THROUGH THEIR NORMAL PAYMENTS UNDER THE ALA. IT'S IN THE AULA. SO WE SET UP EVERY YEAR THERE'S A NEW RATES AND CHARGES. FROM THAT WE DEVELOP A COST PER ENPLANEMENT. WHAT WE'VE AGREED TO THEM WITH IS A COST PER EMPLOYMENT RANGE. SO WE WILL LOOK AT THAT METRIC AND WE WILL WE DO A LOT OF FINANCIAL MODELING THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND ESPECIALLY ON THIS PROGRAM. AND THIS IS A PRETTY COMMON WAY OF DOING THINGS TYPICALLY THE, THE AIRLINE, WE HAVE A LONG AGREEMENT ALSO WITH SOUTHWEST. THEY AGREE TO PAY THESE BUT THE RATING AGENCIES KNOW HOW AIRPORT WORKS OR HOW AN AIRPORT WORKS. SO ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, IF IF THERE WAS SOMETHING TERRIBLE THAT HAPPENED AND THAT AIRLINE WAS NO LONGER THERE, THEY KNOW THAT THE MARKET WOULD COME IN AND AND MAKE UP FOR THAT. SO. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A I THINK WE HAVE AN A-1 STABLE RATING RIGHT NOW. WE LOOKED AT OUR CAPACITY BASED ON THE EMPLOYMENTS AND BASED ON THE FINANCIAL MODELING ON HOW MUCH WE CAN BORROW. AND IT'S WELL WITHIN THAT RANGE. SO I COULDN'T TELL FROM YOUR GRAPHICS, BUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THE EXISTING TERMINAL BUILDING? WILL IT BE DEMOLISHED? WE'RE GOING TO SHARE THAT MORE THAT PROBABLY WHEN WE COME BACK. RIGHT NOW WHAT THE MASTER PLAN CALLS FOR THE TERMINAL WE CALL THE HEADHOUSE OR TERMINAL PROCESSOR. THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE TICKETING YOUR CHECKPOINT. YOUR BAG CLAIM IS THAT WILL PROBABLY GO AWAY, AND THAT WILL MOVE KIND OF ACROSS THE STREET TO WHERE A GARAGE IS. AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK WE'RE DOING ON THAT IN THE PDB RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PRESERVE THAT ACCESSIBILITY, EASE OF USE, CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE. SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. AND ONCE THAT PDS IS DONE, WE'LL HAVE A CLEARER VISION TO SHOW YOU. BUT YES, THE EXISTING NOT NECESSARILY BE DEMOLISHED IT. WE'RE LOOKING TO REPURPOSE. SO WE HAVE SOME IDEAS OF REPURPOSING OF BAG CLAIM AND ALSO REPURPOSING TICKET HALL. IT'S STILL RELATIVELY NEW. THE CENTER CORE IS VERY CHALLENGED JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE BAG SYSTEM IS. THE BAG SYSTEM, YOU SEE, IS BEHIND THE SCENES IS VERY EXPANSIVE AND COMPLICATED, AND THERE'S JUST NOT ROOM TO EXPAND THAT. SO THE CENTERPIECE MAY GO AWAY WHILE WE REPURPOSE THE OTHERS. SO THE TERMINAL THAT SERVES THE 20 INDIVIDUAL GATES WILL, WILL WILL THE GATES BE RELOCATED? IT LOOKS LIKE FROM YOUR DIAGRAM THAT THAT'S GOING TO MOVE OUT AWAY FROM THE EXISTING TERMINAL. WHAT WE PROJECT NOW IS A 50 FOOT BUMP OUT. SO IF IF YOU'RE FACING AND YOU'RE LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW, WE PUSH THAT OUT FULL LENGTH. WHAT WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH CLOSELY AND MUSTAFA AND HIS TEAM IS HELPING WITH THAT IS HOW WE HOW WE KEEP IT 100% OPERATIONAL OR CLOSE WHILE WE TAKE DOWN SECTIONS OF GATES. RIGHT. SO WE HAVE TO NOT ONLY GROW. I MEAN, WE HAVE TO NOT ONLY BUILD THIS, BUT WE HAVE TO GROW AT THE SAME TIME. THAT'S IT COMES IN A PLAY, THE HARD STANCE. SO THERE MAY BE GROUND BOARDING OPERATIONS TO HELP US WITH OVERFLOW, ESPECIALLY WHILE WE START TO BUMP OUT. BUT THE TEAM'S WORKING CLOSELY WITH THAT THE PDP TEAM. AND THEN WE'LL BE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE PROGRAM TEAM AND THE DESIGNER TO GET THAT GET THAT RIGHT. [03:20:03] YEAH. SEQUENCING SEEMS TO BE A CRITICAL ELEMENT TO THIS PLAN, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO THAT YET, BUT I DID NOTE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE DEMOLISHING PARKING GARAGE A IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE SOME AIRLINE OPERATIONS ON THAT SITE, BUT IT DIDN'T APPEAR AS THOUGH YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD THE NEW D PARKING GARAGE UNTIL LATER. SO WHERE ARE THOSE CARS THAT ARE CURRENTLY PARKING IN A GOING TO LOCATE BEFORE WE BUILD D? SO A COUPLE OF THINGS. SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE DONE, WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS INITIALLY WHEN WE GOT BEFORE THE, WE GOT INTO THE MASTER PLAN WE HADN'T LOOKED AT OUR PARKING RATES. AND I THINK WE CAME BACK TO THIS BODY ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, AND WE STARTED TO MAKE MARKET ADJUSTMENTS ON PARKING, AND THAT REALLY FREED UP A LOT MORE PARKING THAN WE HAD PROJECTED. SO WITH I THINK THERE'S JUST UNDER 3000 SPOTS IN GARAGE. WE FEEL COMFORTABLE NOW BASED ON OUR FORECASTS AND OUR PASSENGER LOADS, THAT WE WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE A DOWN AND LOSE THOSE PARKING SPOTS FOR A COUPLE YEARS WHILE D COMES BACK UP. AND IT'S NOT YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WE HAVE A LOT OF PLAY IN THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE 99%. YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THE 90% RANGE. SO WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. AND THE GOOD THING WITH THE THE MARKET ADJUSTMENT IS WE'VE CONTINUED TO EXCEED WHAT WE HAD PROJECTED ON PARKING REVENUE BACK WHEN WE STARTED THIS. SO THAT GOES INTO THE FINANCIAL MODELING BECAUSE WE'RE SENSITIVE ABOUT THE LOSS OF THE PARKING REVENUE AS WELL, NOT JUST THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE. EVERY TIME I'VE BEEN OUT OF LEFT FIELD TO CATCH A FLIGHT, ALL OF THE PARKING GARAGES ARE FULL. I HAVE TO GO CLEAR UP TO THE TOP, USUALLY TO FIND A PARKING SPACE. SO I'M JUST AMAZED TO HEAR YOU SAY WE CAN DISPENSE WITH 3000 PARKING SPACES. YEAH. SO IT'S BEEN A CHANGE. SO EVEN SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE SEEN IN THE HOLIDAYS IS THE SCHEDULES HAVE FLATTENED OUT, WHERE HISTORICALLY, AROUND HOLIDAY TIMES, YOU WOULD SEE A PEAK, LET'S SAY, A FEW DAYS BEFORE THANKSGIVING. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE 4 OR 5 DAYS AND THEN THEY LEAVE. SINCE THAT'S FLATTENED OUT. I MEAN, I THINK WE WERE UNDER 80, 85%, SOMETHING LIKE THAT AT MOST ON OUR PEAK DAYS THIS PAST YEAR WHEN WE'VE HAD SOME OF THE MOST PASSENGERS WE'VE HAD. SO WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE AND WE THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL HAVE REGULAR MARKET ADJUSTMENTS, IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T DONE A LOT WITH PARKING. SO AS WE GET FURTHER INTO THIS, WE MAY LOOK AT SLIGHT PARKING MARKET ADJUSTMENTS AS WELL, OR RECOMMENDATIONS TO HELP WITH THAT. SO WE FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT. WE DON'T DIRECTLY WORK WITH THEM, BUT THE PARKING SPOT IS NOT ON OUR LAND. WE EQUATE THE PARKING LOT OUR PARKING SPOT SPACES INTO OUR INVENTORY, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE A THIRD PARTY. SO WE HAVE WORKED WITH THEM AS WELL, AND THEY HAVE QUITE A BIT OF FLEX IN THEIR OPERATION AS WELL. SO WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THERE IS ENOUGH. AND AGAIN, SLIDE 14, WE'VE TRIED TO KIND OF ILLUSTRATE WHERE WE THINK IT'S GOING AND WHY WE THINK THAT WE CAN DEMO A SO IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU WANT TO DELAY THE CONSTRUCTION OF PARKING GARAGE D UNTIL SOMETIME AFTER A IS DEMOLISHED? WELL, YES, IT GOES BACK TO THOSE. WE GOT TO MOVE THE EMPTY CHAIRS. SO AS SMALL AS THE GENERAL USE BUILDING THE THE CEDAR THE TO BRING PRODUCT IN. THOSE ARE CRITICAL FUNCTIONS TO KEEP THE AIRPORT RUNNING. IF WE CAN'T GET PRODUCT TO THE TERMINAL, IT SHUTS DOWN. IF SOUTHWEST CAN'T PROVISION AIRCRAFT, IT SHUTS DOWN. SO FOR US TO DO THIS, WE HAVE TO MOVE THOSE OUT OF THE WAY BEFORE WE CAN CONSTRUCT D. AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE'RE REALLY FINE TUNING THE, YOU KNOW, THE FULL SIX, SEVEN YEAR SCHEDULE SO THAT WE KNOW WHERE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE FITTING IN. OKAY. THANK YOU. MAYOR. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU FOR THIS UPDATE. AND I KNOW LEAP IS A WONDERFUL ACRONYM AND LARP IS NOT. BUT THIS IS REALLY A RECONFIGURATION, NOT EXPANSION PER SE. THERE AREN'T MORE GATES. YES. WE'RE NOT TAKING IN ANYTHING MORE PHYSICALLY. THAT'S CORRECT. SO WE'RE IN THE WE HAVE TO WORK WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT THAT WE HAVE. REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE, WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE IN THAT FOOTPRINT. WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE A TWO, TWO RUNWAY OPERATION. YEAH. YOU KNOW WHO I'M THINKING OF? IT'S THOSE NEIGHBORS ALL AROUND THERE. SO YOU SAY THE WORD EXPANSION, AND IT JUST, YOU KNOW, FRENZY. SO ALONG THAT SAME VEIN HOW IS THIS GOING TO GIVE LOVE FIELD THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECONFIGURE THE NOISY STUFF LIKE THE NON COMMERCIAL HANGERS? YOU KNOW, WHERE AIRLINES DON'T FALL UNDER OR AIRPLANES DON'T FALL UNDER THE SAME REGULATIONS OR THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME, [03:25:03] YOU KNOW, ADVANCES THAT ARE COMMERCIAL LINERS HAVE THAT ARE LESS NOISY. THAT IS REALLY THE CHIEF COMPLAINT OF THE NEIGHBORS. DOES THIS ALLOW US TO MOVE SOME OF THOSE THINGS INTO MORE OF A BUFFER ZONE? BECAUSE MAYOR PRO TEM MORENO AND I ARE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE BOOK ENDS ON THIS. YEAH. SO I THINK THERE'S SEVERAL OPPORTUNITIES. I MEAN, I THINK THE, THE FIRST, THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY IS I THINK WE'LL SEE WHAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST TWO DECADES. IF YOU GO BACK TO 2004 WE HAD ACTUALLY MORE OPERATIONS THAN WE HAVE TODAY. IT'S JUST THE BALANCE OF THE COMMERCIAL AND THE GENERAL AVIATION THE COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC IS HAS GENERALLY FOLLOWED ABOUT 99% OF THE NOISE THE VOLUNTARY NOISE PROGRAM THAT THIS THIS BODY IS APPROVED AND WE'RE MAKING ADVANCEMENTS WITH THAT. WE'RE STILL CONTINUING THOSE STUDIES, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'LL SEE MORE TRAFFIC AND START TO GO TO OUR RELIEVER AIRPORT. THAT'S DALLAS EXECUTIVE AIRPORT. THERE'S 11 RELIEVER AIRPORTS IN THE METROPLEX. THEY'RE DESIGNED TO RELIEVE GENERAL AVIATION TRAFFIC FROM THE COMMERCIAL AIRPORTS. SO IT'S AUSTIN DFW. SO I THINK IF YOU LOOK ON THE OPERATIONS SLIDE, WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS IF THERE'S MORE COMMERCIAL, MORE PASSENGERS, THAT BALANCE STARTS TO GO BACK HIGHER AND HIGHER THAN WHERE IN 2004 IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN 6,070% GENERAL AVIATION AND 3,040% COMMERCIAL. YOU MAY SEE A SWAP IN THAT. AS WE ADVANCE THE AIRSPACE, THE RUNWAY CONFIGURATION, WE HAVE VERY EFFICIENT GROUND OPERATION CONFIGURATION. IT CAN ONLY HANDLE SO MUCH. SO AND WE'RE ALSO KIND OF TAPPED OUT ON LAND FOR, FOR GENERAL AVIATION AS WELL. SO THERE'S NOT REALLY A LOT THAT CAN BE BUILT. BUT IT IS A IT'S A VERY VALUABLE. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A GENERAL AVIATION PRESENCE AT LOVE FIELD. IT'S A ONE OF THE MOST DESIRABLE SPOTS, I THINK, IN THE COUNTRY FOR GENERAL AVIATION. IT'S JUST THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY NOW TO KIND OF PULL THAT TRIGGER AND START USING OUR RELIEVER AIRPORT MORE SO BROADENING THAT SCOPE A BIT FROM THOSE WHO JUST LIVE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE CONSUMER EXPERIENCE. IN A MORE BROAD SENSE, IT'S MORE THAN JUST THE FLIGHT. IT'S THE WHOLE CURBSIDE EXPERIENCE AND ALL OF THAT. CAN YOU SPEAK TO HOW? BECAUSE I'M NOT REALLY SEEING IT ADDRESSED PER SE ON SLIDE 15. YEAH, BUT I KNOW YOU KNOW THIS BECAUSE YOU FEEL THE PAIN BECAUSE I FORWARD THEM TO YOU. YEAH. HOW IS THIS RECONFIGURATION GOING TO ALLOW US TO TREAT THE WHOLE OF THE EXPERIENCE BETTER IF SOMEONE'S TAKING A RIDESHARE? WELL, I THINK THIS IS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF PUT OUR STAMP ON WHAT WE'RE KNOWN FOR. ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN'T CONTROL IS THAT SINGLE LEVEL CURB. YOU SEE IT A LOT. AIRPORTS. YOU SEE IT AT DFW. THERE'S A MULTI-LEVEL CURB. THAT MULTI-LEVEL CURB REALLY ALLOWS US TO START SEPARATING TRAFFIC. SO IT ALSO CHANGES YOUR EXPERIENCE. WHERE NOW YOU MAY HAVE TO COME IN, GO UP AND DOWN CONVEYANCES TO GET TO THE TO THE CONCOURSE. THIS WILL BE A SINGLE LEVEL ALL THE WAY OUT. AND ALSO LIKE GROUND TRANSPORTATION, IT REALLY ALLOWS US TO LOOK AT WHAT HAS HAPPENED WITH GROUND TRANSPORTATION AND BUILDING GROUND TRANSPORTATION CENTER RIGHT THERE THAT CAN TAKE IN EVERYTHING FROM UBERS AND LIFTS, AUTOMATED VEHICLES. DOWN THE ROAD WE MAY HAVE SPACE FOR SOME TYPE OF APM TYPE OF CONNECTION. THERE'S KIND OF SOME NEW KIND OF TECHNOLOGIES. IT MAY NOT BE A TRAIN PER SE, BUT WE'LL PROTECT ALL THAT. SO WE WILL TAKE KIND OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO WORK IN AND NOW HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY EXPAND THAT CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE. OKAY. AND THANK YOU FOR DEFINING WHAT A HEN HOUSE IS THAT THAT WAS HELPFUL. ARE POLICE AND FIRE GOING TO BE AN OPTIMAL LOCATIONS WITH THIS, OR ARE THEY OPTIMAL NOW, AND WILL THIS GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY? POLICE IS IS NOT IS A SUBOPTIMAL, BUT WE'LL WORK WITH THEM AND FIGURE THAT OUT. WE'VE ACTUALLY HAVE A NEW CAMPUS, AND I THINK WE'LL INVITE THE COUNCIL TO THE GROUNDBREAKING IN A COUPLE MONTHS. WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT WITH TFR. IT'S IN A IT'S IN A GOOD LOCATION. WE'RE ALSO KIND OF EXPLORING SOME OTHER OPPORTUNITIES. I THINK YOU SEE WHERE THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL TOWER IS, IT'S IN A KIND OF NOT IDEAL SPOT. IT'S BEEN THERE SINCE THE 70S, SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO RELOCATE THAT AND KIND OF CHANGE KIND OF REALLY THE FRONT DOOR OF DALLAS LOVE FIELD. OKAY. NOW SWITCHING OVER TO FINANCES YOU TALKED ABOUT THE GENERAL AIRPORT REVENUE BONDS. WHERE ARE WE? SO WE'VE GOT HEADROOM FOR MORE. BUT WHAT ARE WHAT IS OUR CURRENT STATUS ON WHAT'S OWED? WHAT WHAT WE HAVE WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOR DEBT? YEAH. WE'RE IN THE EIGHT, 900 MILLION RANGE RIGHT NOW. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN FINALLY YOU ALL HAVE BEEN VERY GOOD ABOUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. THERE'S THE LOVE FIELD NOISE STAKEHOLDER GROUP THAT MEETS QUARTERLY. [03:30:02] AND THAT'S BEEN GOOD FEEDBACK AND GOOD PROGRESS. GREAT LISTENING ON BEHALF OF THE STAFF IN SOUTHWEST ATTENDING AND FAA ATTENDING AND THEN ALSO ON THE OPEN HOUSES TO SHOW THE DESIGN ELEMENTS. WHAT IS THE PLAN GOING FORWARD? I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'RE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL THIS SUMMER. YEAH, BUT I THINK IT'S A IT'S IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT. BUT WE STILL HAVE TO WORK THROUGH WHAT THAT IS. THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE THE SAME LEVEL OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. SO THE PD'S ACTUALLY REALLY KIND OF THE FIRST TIME WE PUT A LITTLE BIT OF DESIGN INTO SOME THINGS AND MAYBE CHANGE THE VISUAL. YOU KNOW, THIS IS A CITY ASSET. THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS WE WANT TO BUILD INTO THIS. I TALKED ABOUT THE SUSTAINABILITY RESILIENCY PIECE. YOU KNOW, TO ME, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS LOVE FIELD BECAUSE MAYBE GENERATIONS HAVE TRAVELED OUT OF LOVE FIELD, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY SAY DALLAS. RIGHT. SO IT'S YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE NEEDS TO BE THIS SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, PRESENCE. YOU KNOW, PRESENCE AND AND WHAT IS DALLAS WHAT ARE OUR GOALS AS A CITY AND, AND BUILDING THAT INTO THE DESIGN AND THE CONCEPT THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH. SO REALLY AFTER THE PD AND AS WE GET INTO EARLY DESIGN, THAT'S WHEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO START SHARING SOME KIND OF CONCEPTS THAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT AND WHAT IT ACTUALLY MIGHT LOOK LIKE. I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP GENERATIONAL, BECAUSE I HOPE THAT WORLD MAP IS NEVER WELL, THAT'S ANOTHER GOOD. SO THAT'S THE ART PROGRAM'S A PIECE OF THAT. AND, I MEAN, WE HAVE AN ART PROGRAM MANAGER. WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THE CITY OFFICE AS WELL, BECAUSE THEY OVERSEE THAT. AND THERE'S THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE GLOBE, YOU KNOW, IS IT PUT IN A FLOOR SOMEWHERE ELSE OR DOES IT GO SOMEWHERE ELSE? YOU KNOW, THE NORTH TEXAS SUNRISE IS MY FAVORITE, RIGHT BY THE CHECKPOINT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT ART? AND AND THERE'LL BE AN ART COMPONENT TO ALL OF THIS AS WELL. I MEAN, IN THE FLOOR. THAT ONE. YES. THE GLOBE AND THE FLOOR AT THE CHECKPOINT. YES. SO THE GLOBE. YEAH. THAT BECOMES CHALLENGING. YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN PLACES WHERE YOU CUT IT OUT AND YOU REPLACE IT. OR MAYBE IT GOES SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH THAT. WE HAVEN'T KIND OF GOT THAT FAR YET. OKAY. YOU MAY BE PLAYING WITH A POWERFUL CHILDHOOD MEMORY OF MINE, SO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE UPDATE. THANKS. MISS BLAIR. YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES A BRIEF ITEM B, AND HOPEFULLY I DON'T TAKE ALL FIVE, BUT THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'M GOING TO START WITH YOUR YOUR UBER SERVICES. LAST TIME I WAS AT LOVE FIELD AND CAME IN, I HAD TO WALK. HAVE YOU CHANGED THE WAY THAT IS SET UP SO THAT THERE IS NOT SO MUCH IT'S DIFFICULT FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS MOBILITY ISSUES TO HAVE TO CARRY THEIR LUGGAGE AND A DOG FOR OVER A MILE. SO WE'VE DONE A COUPLE THINGS, I THINK. WERE YOU IN THE GARAGE AT THAT POINT? OKAY. WE'VE MOVED THAT OUT OF THE GARAGE TOWARDS VALET, SO IT'S A MUCH SHORTER WALK. WE ALSO HAVE WORKED THROUGH I THINK WE HAVE SOME SIGNAGE, LIMITED SIGNAGE, BUT WITH THE, WITH THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK COMPANIES, THE SHARED RIDES, THERE'S ALWAYS A KIND OF ACCESSIBILITY KIND OF REQUEST YOU CAN MAKE AND THEY CAN PICK YOU UP AT A MORE IDEAL LOCATION. BUT WE HAVE MOVED IT MUCH CLOSER TO VALET, SO THAT WALKS NOT THERE. AND THEN THAT'S ACTUALLY A KEY COMPONENT. WHEN WE START TO LOOK AT DESIGN ON, WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW UBER LYFT TRIPS A YEAR. I THINK IT'S ABOUT 4.5 MILLION. THAT'S A HUGE CUSTOMER BASE. SO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. THE TERMINAL THAT IS THERE NOW IS REALLY DESIGNED IN 1950S WE WE MADE RENOVATIONS TO IT, BUT IT WASN'T DESIGNED FOR TODAY'S KIND OF USE. SO WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT AND BE MINDFUL IN DESIGN THAT WE'RE MAKING THIS A EASY TO USE, ACCESSIBLE AIRPORT AND KEEPING THAT IDENTITY. SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR DESIGN, ARE YOU DESIGNING IT WHERE. AND I KNOW A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, LAX MOVED THEIR RIDE SHARE AWAY FROM THE CAMPUS, AND YOU GUYS THEREAFTER FOLLOWED SUIT IN A QUITE A FEW OTHERS HAVE DONE THE SAME THING. ARE YOU LOOKING TO BRING IT BACK? YES. WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO DO LAX MUSTAFA COMES FROM LAX AND NO. AGAIN, THIS IS A WHAT WE CALL AN OWNED AIRPORT. THIS ORIGIN DESTINATION. THE BULK OF OUR PASSENGERS ARE COMING HERE TO BE IN DALLAS. THE FRONT DOOR. WE ALL, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE BECOMING A LARGE AIRPORT, WE'RE MOVING INTO A LARGE AIRPORT KIND OF MINDSET AND ACTUALLY CATEGORY. WE HAVE TO PRESERVE WHAT MAKES LOVE FIELD SPECIAL. AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY EASY TO USE. [03:35:03] IT'S CONVENIENT. IT'S IN A GREAT LOCATION. WE CAN'T MISS THAT. SO AGAIN, THERE'S 4.5 MILLION PEOPLE IN YOUR SHOES. THAT'S A HUGE CUSTOMER BASE. SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY MINDFUL AND FORWARD THINKING AND INNOVATIVE ON HOW WE DO THAT. NOT JUST DO WHAT A LOT OF AIRPORTS HAVE DONE. YOU HAVE TO MOVE THEM TO A GARAGE BECAUSE NOBODY EVER PLANNED TO HAVE UBER'S WORKING AT AIRPORTS. SO YES, WE WILL BE ADDRESSING THAT. SO THEN WHEN YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT SHUTTING DOWN GARAGE A. THAT'S 3000 SPACES THAT ARE GOING TO BE DECOMMISSIONED. HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT BRINGING INSTEAD OF MOVING YOUR GARAGE OUT TO COVER MORE LAND MASS TO GO UP SO THAT WHEN CHAIR RIDLEY IS THERE, HE DOESN'T HAVE TO GO TO THE TOP. HE CAN GET SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE. YES. SO IF YOU VISUALIZE, I WON'T GET INTO THE TECHNICALITY OF IT, BUT WE HAVE A SMALL FOOTPRINT. THE RUNWAYS ARE VERY CLOSE. THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED AN IMAGINARY SURFACE. SO THERE'S THESE SURFACES THAT GO OUT. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHY THINGS ARE SLOPED A CERTAIN WAY, BECAUSE WE CAN'T PENETRATE THOSE SURFACES FOR AIR TRAFFIC. SO WE WOULD LOVE TO MAKE A AND B AREA HIGHER. BUT IT'S TOO CLOSE TO THE THE RUNWAY THAT'S ON THE DENTON SIDE. AND IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF WHY THERE'S SOME VALUE IN POSSIBLY MOVING THE TOWER, BECAUSE ONE OF THE OTHER COMPONENTS IS SIGHTLINES FROM THE TOWER. SO IF WE CAN MOVE IT, GET IT UP HIGHER, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THINGS LIKE WE DID IN OUR NEWEST GARAGE C, WHICH IS TIER IT. BECAUSE AND THAT'S WHERE WE LOOK, WE CAN POTENTIALLY GET EVEN GO HIGHER IN GARAGE D IF WE NEED TO. WELL, YOU COULD ALSO I KNOW IT'S COSTLY, BUT YOU COULD GO DOWN INSTEAD OF UP, AND IF YOU GO DOWN, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT SIGHT VIEW TO TO CONTEND WITH, BECAUSE IT STILL WOULD BE 2 OR 3 STORIES ABOVE GROUND, BUT IT COULD BE ALSO THREE STORIES BELOW GROUND. YES. AND WE'VE EXPLORED IT. THERE'S TWO FACTORS. THERE'S COST. AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE CEDAR SPRINGS, CEDAR SPRINGS ACTUALLY GOES UNDER THE AIRPORT. SO WHEN WE GO DOWN ACTUALLY IN OUR BASEMENT, BASEMENT NOW WE HAVE SOME FLOODING CHALLENGES. SO I THINK THE CONCERN IS WE'VE SEEN SOME OF THOSE DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES. AND ALSO GOING DOWN WITH GARAGES, WE THINK THE COST AND THE IMPACT FROM CEDAR SPRINGS IS, IS GOING TO BE HIGH, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY STUFF THAT THE THE DESIGN TEAM IS GOING TO EXPLORE. RIGHT NOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT CONCEPTUAL AND DOING PLANNING. BUT ONCE WE GET THOSE FOLKS ON BOARD TO REALLY TACKLE THESE PROBLEMS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU BETTER ANSWERS. SO CHANGING TO CARRIERS. YOU, YOU MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE A CARRIER OF CHOICE THAT AT LOVE FIELD, HAVE WE? I KNOW ONCE UPON A TIME WE HAD MORE CARRIERS. ARE WE LOOKING TO BRING MORE CARRIERS IN SO THAT THE COST IS MORE COMPETITIVE WHEN WE HAVE MORE CHOICES? SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. WE THE CURRENT OLA WE'VE WORKED WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IN D.C., THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION. WE'RE IN A UNIQUE ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE'RE CAPPED. SO SOUTHWEST HAS 18 OF THOSE GATES. DELTA HAS ONE, AND WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE WHAT HAPPENS RIGHT NOW. THE NEW AGREEMENT DOESN'T GO INTO PLACE UNTIL 2028. THERE'S MULTIPLE SUB LICENSES AND SUBLICENSES BACK THROUGH CONTINENTAL AIRLINES, VIRGIN AMERICA AIRLINES THAT DON'T EXIST ANYMORE. WE THE CITY WAS ALSO IN A LAWSUIT ABOUT GATE ACCESS FOR EIGHT YEARS. THAT WAS RESOLVED. SO WE'VE TRIED TO MOVE FORWARD ON HOW WE CAN ACCOMMODATE HOW NEW, NEW OPERATORS WORK NOW IS THEY ESSENTIALLY ARE DIRECTED TO WORK WITH ONE OF THOSE. SO ALASKA AIRLINES, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT OPERATING RIGHT NOW, ACTUALLY CONTROLS THE SUBLICENSE ON ONE GATE DELTA AND SOUTHWEST. SO WE WOULD DIRECT THOSE CARRIERS TO LOOK AT ACCOMMODATIONS. YOU COULD CERTAINLY SEE THAT. BUT IN THE GATE CAP WORLD, THAT'S VERY HARD FOR US TO YOU KNOW, KIND OF MAYBE GET EVERYBODY THAT WOULD WANT TO BE HERE AGAIN. WE'RE ARTIFICIALLY CONSTRAINED. WE DID AN UNCONSTRAINED FORECAST OR UNCONSTRAINED FORECAST CALLS FOR 20 MILLION PEOPLE. THAT DOESN'T IMPACT DFW WHEN THERE'S KIND OF A CASE STUDY. THE LAST FEW YEARS YOU'VE SEEN US GROW, DFW HAS TRIPLED IN SIZE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO GET THE MOST EFFICIENCY OUT OF THE 20 GATE CAP THAT WE CAN. AND WE THINK THAT'S WITH SOUTHWEST AIRLINES ON 18 OF THE GATES AND YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY MORE WITH DELTA OR MAYBE ANOTHER AIR CARRIER, BECAUSE WHEN I'M LOOKING AT PAGE FOUR AND IT SHOWS THAT YOU'RE FLAT. WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IN PLANE AND AIRLINE OPERATIONS, TO ME THAT SAYS IT'S NOT THAT YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE MAXIMIZED YOUR EFFICIENCY. IT MEANS YOU HAVE ARTIFICIALLY CAPPED HOW MUCH GROWTH YOU CAN YOU CAN DO. [03:40:06] WE WE HAVE. SO THE WRIGHT AMENDMENT REFORM ACT IS A ARTIFICIAL CAP. IT'S WE'RE THE ONLY AIRPORT IN THE COUNTRY THAT HAS THAT. YOU'LL SEE SOME AIRPORTS, WHAT WE CALL LIKE MAYBE UP IN THE NEW YORK AREA, YOU CALL SLOT RESTRICTED, WHERE THEY BID ON SLOTS FOR AIR TRAFFIC TO GET IN BECAUSE THEY'RE SO BUSY. WE DON'T HAVE THAT. OUR ONLY BARRIER IS THAT. SO IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT, THE AIRPORT WOULD BE IN A DIFFERENT MINDSET. BUT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITHIN THAT ARTIFICIAL CAP. IT'S FEDERAL LAW. IT'S AN ACT OF CONGRESS AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES TO TO TO CHANGE THAT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO OUR BEST TO, TO GROW THE ASSET, GROW THE ECONOMIC IMPACT, AND ACCOMMODATE AS MUCH OF THE BUSINESS THAT WE KNOW IS THERE. AND I THINK MY ABOUT MY LAST TOPIC OF CONVERSATION IS EXECUTIVE AIRPORT. WHAT TRAFFIC ARE YOU DIVERTING FROM LOVE FIELD TO EXECUTIVE THE EXECUTIVE AIRPORT? SO RIGHT NOW WE DO A COUPLE OF THINGS. SO SINCE WE, THE CITY OWNS BOTH FACILITIES WE HAVE A LANDING FEE AT DALLAS LOVE, AND IT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. AND WE'D HAVE NO LANDING FEE AT DALLAS EXECUTIVE. SO WE DO MARKETING TO DRIVE YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, THE HIGHER END GENERAL AVIATION OR THE BIG CORPORATIONS, THEY'RE ALWAYS GOING TO COME IN REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE CHARGE. BUT THERE'S SMALLER OPERATORS, THERE'S NEW OPERATORS, THERE'S PRIVATE THAT WILL TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE DALLAS EXECUTIVE AIRPORT. AND THAT'S WHERE OUR OPPORTUNITIES ARE, IS CONTINUING TO GROW THE GENERAL AVIATION AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ECOSYSTEM DOWN THERE. AND AS MORE GOES THERE, MORE WILL COME. AND AS COMMERCIAL GETS BUSIER AT LOVE FIELD, THAT RELIEVER TRIGGER THAT WE YOU KNOW IT'S A RELIEVER AIRPORT. IT WILL RELIEVE TRAFFIC FROM LOVE AND IT WILL HAVE ITS OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL. SO ON A DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF EITHER FLIGHTS PER DAY, PER WEEK, PER MONTH, PER YEAR THAT YOU SEND DOWN TO EXECUTIVE SIZE OF PLANE? WE CAN'T PHYSICALLY DO IT, SO I CAN'T FORCE THEM THERE. THE MARKET DICTATES THAT. SO DALLAS EXECUTIVE HAS AROUND 120,000 OPERATIONS A YEAR. DALLAS LOVE HAS ABOUT DOUBLE THAT. A LOT OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT YOU WOULDN'T WANT IN A BIGGER COMMERCIAL AIRPORT FLIGHT TRAINING SMALL PRIVATE AIRCRAFT. SOME OF THE BUSINESS. YOU BUSINESS JETS. BUSINESS CORPORATE AIRCRAFT. THEY'RE STARTING TO TO SEE MORE OF THE VALUE IN DALLAS EXECUTIVE AIRPORT AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE EASE OF USE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE THINK IS VERY SIMILAR TO DALLAS LOVE FIELD. BUT YOU'VE GOT TO CHANGE OLD HABITS. US IN ADDISON AIRPORT ARE THE AIRPORTS THAT FOR GENERAL AVIATION TRAFFIC IN BASICALLY DALLAS. AND IT GOES BACK FOR DECADES. SO WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE THE MARKETING AND CONTINUING TO SELL THAT AIRPORT TO DRIVE THAT TRAFFIC DOWN THERE. WELL, CONSIDERING I'M IN THE FLIGHT PATH OF THAT AIRPORT, I SURE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHEN YOU'RE SENDING THEM, HOW FREQUENTLY YOU'RE SENDING THEM COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TO SENDING THEM, WHEN WILL YOU DO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND HOW MUCH UPDATES AND UPGRADES DO YOU NEED TO DO TO THE THAT AIRPORT IN ORDER TO FACILITATE ANY. OFF SHOOT OF AIR TRAFFIC FROM LOVE FIELD TO THAT AIRPORT AND WHAT AIR CARRIERS YOU'RE GOING TO BE SENDING THERE. AND SO HOW IS THAT GOING TO LOOK? I CAN ANSWER THAT. SO WE DON'T DO IT. THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION CONTROLS AIRSPACE. I CANNOT DECIDE WHO LANDS OR TAKES OFF AT OUR AIRPORTS. WE CAN RESTRICT THEM BY SIZE CATEGORY. SO COMMERCIAL AIRCRAFT IS NOT ALLOWED TO FLY AT DALLAS EXECUTIVE AIRPORT. IT HAS TO BE AT DALLAS LOVE FIELD OR DALLAS FORT WORTH. SO WE CAN'T WE CAN GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF DAILY TRAFFIC AND OUR TRAFFIC MODELING. WE HAVE A NOISE PROGRAM THAT'S ALSO AT DALLAS EXECUTIVE AIRPORT, AND WE COULD SHARE MORE INFORMATION. WE ALSO HAVE A STAKEHOLDER GROUP DOWN THERE THAT MEETS, AND I THINK THEY ACTUALLY MEET TONIGHT ON A REGULAR BASIS. SO THE COMMUNITY, THE STAKEHOLDERS ARE INVITED TO THOSE. BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY GET YOU THE NOISE MONITORING SYSTEM WHERE THEY CAN FILE REPORTS, THEY CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE AIRCRAFT AND WHERE IT'S FLYING AND EVERYTHING IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS. BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT I DO NOT HAVE CONTROL OF THE AIRSPACE ABOVE THE AIRPORTS. SO I'M JUST GOING TO BE STRAIGHTFORWARD. IF WE DON'T HAVE THIS INFORMATION THAT WE CAN SHARE, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE DOING. PLEASE SEND ME ALL THE INFORMATION YOU HAVE. [03:45:03] LIKE I SAID, I'M RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE PATH, OKAY? AND IT AND IT DOES IMPACT HOW DISTRICT EIGHT CAN GROW. BECAUSE THERE IS A HEIGHT CAP AS TO HOW HIGH ANYTHING CAN GO UP IF YOU'RE IN THAT FLIGHT PATH. AND IF IT'S LOOKING TO BE MORE USER, MORE IF IT'S, IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO USE IT MORE, I, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. OKAY. AND THEN NUMBER TWO, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT SAYS YOU'RE GOING TO OFFSHOOT OR SOME TRAFFIC COULD BE OFFSHOOT, PLEASE LET US KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE INSTEAD OF SHARING. AND BECAUSE THIS IS NOW PUBLIC RECORD AND CAUSING FEAR IN A COMMUNITY THAT MAY NOT NEED TO HAVE IT. AND I UNDERSTAND, AND I THINK IT'S NOT MEANT TO SHOW THAT IT'S JUST GOING TO BE OVERNIGHT. THIS IS REALLY DECADES OF BUILDING. BUT WE CAN START TO SHOW THAT AND YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY UPDATE ON WHERE OUR PLANS ARE AND WHERE WE THINK OUR PROJECTIONS ARE GOING SO THAT YOUR COMMUNITY HAS THAT INFORMATION. THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. MAYOR. PATRICK, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. AND AS DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SAID, THANK YOU FOR YOUR ENGAGEMENT WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AND OUR COMMUNITY. I WOULD CITY MANAGER PROBABLY RECOMMEND THAT WE GET AN UPDATE. SEPARATELY FOR EXECUTIVE AIRPORT TO TALK ABOUT THE GROWTH OPPORTUNITIES THERE. I KNOW THAT THAT'S BEEN A DISCUSSION AROUND THIS HORSESHOE PREVIOUSLY. PATRICK REMIND ME WHAT HOW OUR AIRPORTS ARE GRADED AND THE CLASSIFICATION. THAT LOVE FIELD IS CURRENTLY UNDER THE STATUS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED. SO LOVE FIELD IS, IS CONSIDERED A FAA PRIMARY PART 139, WHICH IS ALLOWS US TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL OPERATING CERTIFICATE. SO THESE ARE I'M SORRY, I'M REFERENCING MORE OF A CUSTOMER SATISFACTION. SATISFACTION? CUSTOMER SATISFACTION. OKAY. SO OUR ASK SCORES ARE ONE OF THE TOP. AND SO THAT'S AIRPORT SERVICE QUALITY. WE'VE WON AWARDS LAST IN 24 AND 25 FOR BEST AIRPORT IN NORTH AMERICA. SO THERE'S OTHER BENCHMARKS OUT THERE. THERE'S J.D. POWER, THERE'S THEIR SMALLER ONES. WE TEND TO FIND, YOU KNOW, BEST, YOU KNOW, EASIEST AIRPORT, BEST AIRPORT TO FLY OUT OF. WE WANT TO PRESERVE THAT, OBVIOUSLY. OF COURSE. AND SO OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO AT THE SAME TIME, WE, WE NEED TO MODERNIZE AND WE NEED TO BECOME MORE EFFICIENT. BUT WHAT AREAS DID WE SCORE LOWER AT THAT THAT YOU'RE PUTTING INTO THE MASTER PLAN THAT WE KNOW THAT WE NEED AREAS OF IMPROVEMENT IN THERE'S SEVERAL. SO KIND OF IF YOU IF YOU KIND OF LOOK AT SLIDE FIVE WITH THE, THE DEMAND AND THE COLOR CHART PARTICULARLY IF WE LOOK AT CURBSIDE RESTROOMS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE REGULAR LINES AT THE RESTROOMS EVEN THE MEN'S ROOM, WE HAVE CONCESSIONS NEEDS. OUR CONCESSIONAIRES ONLY HAVE ABOUT HALF THE SPACE THEY NEED. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE BACK OF HOUSE SPACE, ISN'T THERE? A LOT OF THESE OPERATIONS AREN'T JUST THE STOREFRONT. THERE'S BACK OF HOUSE KITCHEN STORAGE, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPACE FOR THAT. SO THOSE ARE TWO POINTS WHERE OUR CONCESSIONS DO A GREAT JOB. WE DO A GREAT JOB OF TRYING TO KEEP THINGS CLEAN, BUT WE DO NEED PHYSICAL CHANGES TO HELP WITH THAT. OKAY. AND SO WHICH LEADS ME TO HAVING A COMMISSARY KITCHEN IN A SECURED AREA. WOULD THAT BE ADDRESSED? BECAUSE I KNOW RIGHT NOW WE'RE LIMITED ON HOW BIG RESTAURANTS CAN BE. WE'RE LIMITED ON HOW MUCH FOOD HAS TO GO THROUGH THE SECURED AREA. AND SO IS THERE A PROPOSAL TO HAVE A COMMISSARY KITCHEN THAT WOULD HELP, YOU KNOW, ALL THE CATERERS THAT ARE ON ON THE PROPERTY? SO PART OF THIS IS PART OF WHAT WE DO IS WE CALL A CONCESSION MASTER PLAN. WHEN WE'RE IN THE DESIGN WE KNOW WE'RE NEARLY 50,000FT² SHORT ON CONCESSION SPACE. THAT'S A LOT OF SPACE. SO WE HAVE TO ONE OF THE OTHER CHALLENGES THAT CENTRAL RECEIVING AND DISTRIBUTION THAT ALLOWS US TO STORE MORE PRODUCT. IT'S ABOUT THREE TIMES SMALLER THAN IT SHOULD BE. SO WE'RE KIND OF GETTING IT FROM BOTH ENDS. AS FAR AS THAT GOES. SO THAT WILL ALL BE ADDRESSED IN THE DESIGN AND WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING THE SERVICE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE WANT TO SEE FOR THOSE AREAS. OKAY. WHEN IT COMES TO PARKING I KNOW IT'S NOT ON THIS MASTER PLAN, AND WE CAN TALK FURTHER OFFLINE ABOUT IT, BUT THE LOVE CONNECTION PARKING LOT. HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS ARE THERE CURRENTLY? AND WHAT'S THE MAIN NEED OR WHAT'S HOW DO WE HOW DO WE UTILIZE THAT? SO CURRENTLY IT'S THERE'S 1800 SPACES APPROXIMATELY. AND WE USE THAT FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING. SO THAT'S NOT AVIATION DEPARTMENT. [03:50:04] THAT'S THERE'S A LOT OF AIRLINE, AIRLINE, CRUISE, TSA CONCESSION WORKERS IN THE AIRPORT THAT WORK THERE 24 OVER SEVEN. SO WE HAVE A SHUTTLE OPERATION. IT'S NOT IDEAL. IT'S COSTLY TO RUN THE SHUTTLE AND BUT SPACE CONSTRAINTS AND ALSO LAND NEAR END. IT'S HARD TO GET YOU KNOW, PARKING. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WILL, YOU KNOW, BE OBVIOUSLY LOOKING AT AS WE LOOK AT OUR PARKING INVENTORY. OKAY. DO WE OWN THAT PROPERTY OR IS THAT A LEASE TO PURCHASE OPTION? WE HAVE A LEASE TO PURCHASE ON THAT. OKAY. IF WE CAN GET A A MEMO ON ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE LEASED TO PURCHASE OPTIONS ON. I THINK WE HAVE QUITE A FEW. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO, AS WE'RE DOING THE MASTER PLAN TO SEE WHICH OPTIONS WE NEED TO EITHER PURSUE OR GET OUT OF. AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE HARRY HINES AND MOCKINGBIRD CORRIDORS AND HOW THEY'RE REDEVELOPING THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR DIFFERENT USAGE ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS. WE CAN DO THAT. WE TALKED ABOUT PUBLIC ART. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT. AND WE'RE KNOWN FOR OUR PUBLIC ART AT LOVE FIELD. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO HIGHLIGHT A LOT OF THE HILLIARD GOLF COURSE AS WELL, WHICH IS OUR FIRST BLACK GOLF COURSE THAT WAS THERE AT LEFT FIELD. SO WANT TO BE ABLE TO PRESERVE SOME OF THAT HISTORY THERE AS WELL. AND THEN THE AIRPORT FUNDS CAN ONLY BE USED FOR AVIATION FUNDS THROUGH THAT ENTERPRISE. HOW IS THAT WHAT'S THE LIMITATION OF OF THE SCOPE FOR THOSE FUNDS? FOR AIRPORT. AIRPORT USES SO THE AVIATION FUNDS HAVE TO HAVE A DIRECT USE IMPACT ON THE AIRPORTS ESSENTIALLY. SO WE CAN DO CERTAIN THINGS PARTICIPATE IN CERTAIN THINGS THAT MAYBE TOUCH THE AIRPORT. WE CAN DO THINGS LIKE RELATED TO THE AIRPORT, MAYBE CONVENING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT KIND OF OPPORTUNITIES, SPONSORSHIPS, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT IT IS RESTRICTED TO BE USED WITHIN THOSE FACILITIES. OKAY. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION, WOULD IT FOLLOW THE RFP PROCESS? WHAT SORT OF PROCESS WOULD IT FOLLOW? YES, IT WOULD FOLLOW THE RFQ RFP PROCESS. THAT'S ESSENTIALLY HOW WE'RE DOING THE PROGRAM RIGHT NOW. ONCE WE THE NEXT STAGE THAT YOU'LL SEE IN 26 IS PROBABLY THE DESIGN REQ. SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING AN ARCHITECT. AND THEN FROM THERE, WE STILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR DELIVERY METHODS WILL BE THROUGH THAT RFP PROCESS. SO IS IT SOME OF THE PACKAGE, MAYBE DESIGN, BUILD, DESIGN, BID BUILD. THAT COULD BE CMAR. WE DON'T WE HAVEN'T WORKED THROUGH THAT YET. BUT WE EXPECT MULTIPLE RFP PATCHES WE HAVE. WE'RE SETTING UP OUR PROCUREMENT TEAM NOW, AND, AND HOW WE DO THAT, WE, WE DO PROCUREMENTS NOW OURSELVES THROUGH CAPITAL WE JUST HAVE TO EXPAND THAT SIGNIFICANTLY. SO WE'RE WORKING WITH SEVERAL CITY DEPARTMENTS ON HOW THEY MAKE THAT WORK. OKAY. AND THEN WHEN CONSTRUCTION ACTUALLY HAPPENS OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT THE FIRST AIRPORT TO DO MODERNIZATION OR BUMP OUTS. MY CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO A LOT OF THIS CONSTRUCTION DURING NON-AVIATION FLIGHTS COMING IN AND OUT, WHICH MEANS FROM 11 P.M. UNTIL THE WEE HOURS OF THE MORNING AND THE IMPACT THAT IT WOULD HAVE ON NOISE TO THE ADJACENT COMMUNITIES. SO RIGHT NOW, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. A LOT OF THIS IS NOT RUNWAY DRIVEN. SO WE HAVE A FEW AIRFIELD THINGS LIKE PARKING, BUT THE RUNWAYS, I WOULD EXPECT TO BE FULLY OPEN AND UTILIZED. THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE KIND OF FLIGHT PATTERNS OR SCHEDULES. OKAY. LASTLY, WHAT IS OUR I GUESS, LIKE THE BALANCE OF THE LOVE FIELD OPERATIONS? AND DO THOSE DOLLARS CARRY OVER FROM YEAR TO YEAR, OR DO THEY HAVE TO BE EXPENSED YEAR TO DATE. SO HOW OURS WORKS, WE WE OPERATE ON APPROXIMATELY 200 MILLION OPERATING BUDGET. THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT RESTRICTIONS. SO WE FOLLOW CERTAIN GUIDELINES FROM CITY ON WHAT RESERVE FUNDS THE AIRLINE USE AND LEASE AGREEMENT, THE CURRENT ONE AND THE, THE, THE ONE THAT WE'RE USING AS A BRIDGING NOW THOSE ARE THOSE RESTRICT HOW WE USE OUR FUNDS. SO AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE A RESIDUAL AGREEMENT. SO WITHIN THAT THERE'S A CURRENT IT CHANGES IN THE FUTURE. BUT THE CURRENT ONE THAT WE WORKED OFF OF FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS, THERE'S A CAP OF WHAT I CAN PUT IN RESERVE. THERE'S A CAP ON WHAT I CAN USE FOR EMERGENCY RESERVE THAT THE AIRLINES WILL USE. SO SINCE IT'S RESIDUAL, THE RISK IS ON THE AIRLINE. IF WE ARE SHORT, THE AIRLINES RESPONSIBLE, IF WE MAKE TOO MUCH, THE AIRLINE GETS A REFUND. [03:55:05] SO WE TRY TO BE AS SPOT ON AS POSSIBLE AND ZERO BASING THE BUDGET EVERY YEAR. IN AVIATION. AND THEN THAT'S KIND OF A KIND OF SEPARATE PROCESS. WE STILL FOLLOW THE SAME CITY BUDGET GUIDELINES AND EVERYTHING. A LOT OF THE CONVERSATION HAS BEEN CUSTOMER DRIVEN. WHAT ABOUT THE ACTUAL EMPLOYEES AND THEIR FEEDBACK ON AREAS OF IMPROVEMENT FOR OPERATIONS? THAT'S THAT'S CRITICAL AS WELL. I MEAN, IT STARTED WITH ON THE AIRLINE SIDE, WE'RE WORKING WITH DIFFERENT LINES OF BUSINESSES IN THE AIRLINE. I THINK WE HAD SOMETHING LIKE TWO DOZEN MEETINGS WITH OUR TEAMS. WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE FACILITY FOLKS, THE ELECTRICIANS, THE OPERATION PEOPLE ARE RUNNING INTO AND CHALLENGES. SAME WITH THE WE HAVE THE SAME MEETING WITH THE CONCESSIONS THE TSA THAT'S IN THERE. WE'RE TALKING TO ALL OF THOSE FOLKS BECAUSE WE WANT TO GET THAT RIGHT. AND NOW, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, THE PEOPLE THAT BOOTS ON THE GROUND, YOU DON'T SOMETIMES FIND, YOU KNOW, FIND THAT OUT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR. CHAIRMAN GRACEY, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU, MISTER MAYOR. AND, PATRICK, THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION. AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT KIND OF THE OVERFLOW OR THE, THE IMPACT OF WHAT HAPPENS AT LOVE FIELD, WHAT WILL BE THE IMPACT KIND OF MOVING OVER INTO INTO DALLAS EXECUTIVE AIRPORT. SO THERE'S ONE THING I JUST KIND OF WANT TO GET ON RECORD TO THAT A MASTER PLAN IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING FOR EXECUTIVE AIRPORT. CAN YOU JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR OFF SUBJECT, BUT. YES. THANK YOU. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THERE'S A THERE'S A SIMILAR PROCESS. GENERAL AVIATION IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, THOUGH. WE LASTED A MASTER PLAN AT DALLAS EXECUTIVE ABOUT 2015. SO IT'S DUE AT A GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORT. IT'S AROUND EVERY TEN YEARS. COMMERCIAL AIRPORTS, ABOUT EVERY 3 TO 5 YEARS. SO WE'RE DOING A SIMILAR THING. SO WE AREN'T DOING THE FULL KIND OF NARRATIVE THINGS THAT YOU'VE SEEN IN THIS. IT'S A SMALLER PROCESS. IT'S CALLED AN AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN UPDATE. SO WE'RE ESSENTIALLY UPDATING THE DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES, THE FORECAST ACTIVITIES, THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THAT WILL BE COMPLETED IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL COME BACK AND KIND OF GIVE YOU A CLEARER VISION OF WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE THINK DALLAS EXECUTIVE CAN DO IN THAT AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN UPDATE. OKAY. AND THEN AS WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THAT LAYOUT PLAN THAT'S HAPPENING WITH LOVE FIELD LAYOUT PLAN IS HAPPENING AT OR MASTER PLAN, WHATEVER YOU CALL IT AT EXECUTIVE AIRPORT. THE CAUSE AND EFFECT OF THAT. WHAT ARE WE YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OKAY, THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING OVER HERE AT LOVE FIELD. AND WHAT IS THE POTENTIAL FOR SOME OF THAT TO END UP AT, AT EXECUTIVE AND THEN WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESSES? BECAUSE THE ACTUAL COMMUNITY MEETING THAT YOU MENTIONED, THE FIRST ONE WAS LAST NIGHT AND THOSE ARE HELD QUARTERLY. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP. SO WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESSES. AND AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO I'M TRYING TO NOT VEER OFF TOO FAR, BUT WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESSES AS A RESULT COULD POTENTIALLY GO OVER INTO EXECUTIVE? AND WOULD IT MEAN MORE FLIGHTS? MORE INCREASED FLIGHTS? BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAIN QUESTIONS THEY ASKED. SO. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE THE AVIATION ECOSYSTEM IN NORTH TEXAS DALLAS EXECUTIVE IS PART OF THAT ECOSYSTEM. THERE COULD BE SOME THINGS THAT ARE FROM LOVE FIELD. THERE COULD BE NEW ENTRANTS THAT GO DOWN THERE. TYPICALLY WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE AT A GENERAL AVIATION RELIEVER IS ALMOST EVERYTHING. THAT'S THE NON COMMERCIAL PASSENGER TERMINAL. SO THERE'S MAINTENANCE REPAIR OPERATIONS. THERE'S SOME OEM MANUFACTURERS. THERE'S BUSINESS MAYBE A CORPORATE FLIGHT DEPARTMENT. IT COULD BE A PRIVATE AIRCRAFT USER. IT COULD BE A FLIGHT TRAINING A SCHOOL. THOSE ARE ALL HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR WHAT YOU WOULD WANT TO GET OUT OF THAT ECOSYSTEM FOR NORTH TEXAS AT THE RELIEVER AIRPORTS. AND DALLAS EXECUTIVE FITS INTO THAT. GOOD. AND THEN AND IT MAY BE A LITTLE TOO ADVANCED, BUT AS WE GET INTO THIS, HAVE YOU KIND OF ALREADY STARTED THINKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL TYPE OF BUSINESSES THAT MAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'VE MAYBE OUTGROWN. OR MAYBE LOVE FIELD IS NOT NO LONGER A BETTER FIT, GIVEN HOW IN THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING. HAVE YOU KIND OF STARTED IDENTIFYING WHAT SOME OF THOSE BUSINESSES ARE? AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH A LIST PUBLICLY IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT. BUT I MEAN, ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT. WE THINK THERE'S FITS AT DALLAS LOVE FIELD. I MEAN, I WOULDN'T PROBABLY WANT TO SAY THAT. YEAH, YOU KNOW, AS WE WORK THROUGH IT, BUT THESE TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT I JUST EXPLAINED, THEY EXIST, THERE'S SOME AT DALLAS LOVE FIELD, AND THEY MAY BE A BETTER FIT. AND PART OF THAT IS JUST IT'S NOT ONLY THE AIRPORT, BUT IT'S ALSO THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAVE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE SPACE. SO IF THOSE COMPANIES NEED TO GROW, THERE IS THAT OPPORTUNITY. AT A FACILITY THAT WE OWN THAT THE CITY OPERATES AND OWNS. SO I THINK THAT'S IT'S ABOUT GROWTH. AND THEN IT'S ABOUT ALSO WHAT'S THE BEST FIT DOWN THE ROAD. PERFECT, PERFECT. AND THEN JUST LAST QUESTION ABOUT THE DALLAS EXECUTIVE AIRPORT. AND AGAIN, I KNOW WE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY HAPPENING. YOU KNOW. DALLAS COLLEGE HAS MOVED OVER. [04:00:03] MOUNTAIN VIEW COLLEGE HAS MOVED OVER AND ONTO THE CAMPUS. YOU GOT JET MRO AND A LOT OF THINGS REALLY HAPPENING THAT ARE BIG THERE. CAN YOU JUST TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS? I KNOW WE, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT MOTELS OR HOTELS THAT ARE COMING TO THE SPACE AND ALL OF THAT. SO WHILE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF ATTENTION ON LOVE FIELD, I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR ON THE PUBLIC THAT THAT THERE IS A LOT OF ACTIVITY AND ATTENTION GOING TOWARDS EXECUTIVE AIRPORT. I THINK WE HAVE SOME EXCITING THINGS COMING WITH THIS COUNCIL APPROVED EARLY OR LATE LAST YEAR, THE SKY HARBOR AGREEMENT, THAT'S A NEW KIND OF NATIONWIDE BRAND OF HANGAR DEVELOPMENTS BRING BUSINESS DOWN THERE. WE DO HAVE SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA NEXT WEEK FOR A HOTEL DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT, AND WE THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD DEAL FOR US. I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'VE KIND OF DONE ONE OF THESE AT THE AIRPORTS. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE. WE'RE WE WORK CLOSELY WITH ECO DEV. WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THE WITH WITH LINDA MCMAHON. WE'RE GOING TO BE FINDING WHAT IS THE THE RIGHT FIT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAXIMIZE THE USE OF THAT FACILITY. IT'S AN IMPORTANT ASSET WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS. AND HOW DO WE MAXIMIZE IT WHEN PARTICULARLY WHEN WE HAVE ONE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, GOT A LOT OF CONSTRAINTS TO IT? IT'S WHAT THE AIRPORT WAS BUILT FOR A LONG TIME AGO. PERFECT, PERFECT. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING BOTH AT LOVE FIELD AND THE ATTENTION YOU'RE GIVING TO EXECUTIVE AIRPORT. IT'S IT'S SLOW COMING, BUT WE'RE WE'RE GETTING READY TO TAKE OFF, SO I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MISS, ARE YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES? SO LOVE FIELD IS IN DISTRICT SIX, AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK THAT'S GONE ON. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR WORKING WITH THE FRIENDS OF BACHMAN LAKE WHO ALSO HELPED IMPROVE THE AREA. AND YOU ALL HAVE WORKED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS I KNOW IN HONORING HILLIARD GOLF COURSE. MAYOR PRO TEM JESSE MORENO AND I SHARE ELM THICKET NORTH PARK, AND I KNOW THAT THEY ARE EXCITED TO FIND WAYS TO HONOR THAT HISTORY. AND ALSO, I WENT TO THE GROUNDBREAKING WHEN WE HAD THE NEW FIRE STATION THERE AT LOVE FIELD. SO I'M LOOKING, YOU KNOW, FORWARD TO HAVING THE RIBBON CUTTING FOR THAT. I WAS ALSO GLAD TO SEE THAT Y'ALL ARE CONSIDERING THE EXPANSION FOR THE CONCESSIONS. OF COURSE, WE HAD THE GRAND OPENING OF WHATABURGER IN CAMPISI'S, BUT I COULD SEE ALMOST IMMEDIATELY THEY WERE ALREADY PROBABLY RUNNING OUT OF SPACE. YOU KNOW, IT WAS COMPLETELY RENOVATED AND, AND, AND I KNOW IT'S INCREASED AND IMPROVED SERVICE TO PEOPLE THAT COME, BUT IT STILL WAS PRETTY TIGHT SPACE. SO I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THERE IS AT LEAST TALK ABOUT EXPANDING THAT OVER TIME. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT NOISE IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE TOP THINGS THAT I HEAR. WILL ANY OF THE RUNWAYS BE SHUT DOWN AGAIN? YOU KNOW, THROUGH THESE UPGRADES? SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THE THE RUNWAYS, WE WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE IT. THEY CAN ALWAYS BE SHUT DOWN FOR MAINTENANCE OR EMERGENCY OR SOMETHING, BUT WE'VE DONE A LOT OF AIRFIELD WORK. THE, THE RUNWAY. I WOULD SAY THAT'S KIND OF PROBABLY MORE ON YOUR SIDE IS GOT A MUCH LONGER USEFUL LIFE LEFT IN IT. I WOULDN'T EXPECT US TO BE DOING ANY. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN OUR CIP RIGHT NOW. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT TEN, 15, 20 YEARS? POSSIBLY. IT'S A CONCRETE RUNWAY. IT'S IN GOOD SHAPE. AND THE OTHER RUNWAYS? JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS OLD. SO A CONCRETE RUNWAY, THE WAY WE KIND OF OVERENGINEER THEM AT AIRPORTS, THEY COULD LAST 50 YEARS IF YOU MAINTAIN THEM PROPERLY. SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF LIFE, AND AND I WOULDN'T EXPECT US, OTHER THAN MAINTENANCE OR AN EMERGENCY TO BE SHUTTING DOWN BECAUSE OF THIS PROJECT. OKAY, GREAT. AND THEN I DID NOTICE IN HERE THAT IT SAID THAT WE APPROVED IN MAY 2025. THE OA LA AND THEN IT MENTIONS JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS A CONCERN ABOUT MY RESIDENTS POTENTIALLY THE 12 ADDITIONAL GATES, IF FEDERAL LAW CHANGES, WHAT WOULD THAT REQUIRE? THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE FEDERAL LAW TO CHANGE. SO ALL THAT SAYS RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE FUTURE. I THINK THERE'S SOME LESSONS LEARNED. THE LAST TIME WE DID THIS, AND WE DIDN'T THINK SO MUCH OF THE FUTURE FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IT'S IT'S THERE. IT'S BEEN APPROVED. BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THIS BODY OR I COULD DECIDE. IT'S STILL REQUIRES AN ACT OF CONGRESS FOR THAT TO CHANGE. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIRMAN JOHNSON. YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION AS WELL. I WANTED TO ASK TWO QUESTIONS. LISTENING TO COUNCILMAN GRACEY HERE. WILL THIS PROJECT REDUCE ANY DEVELOPMENT RESOURCES FOR DEA DALLAS EXECUTIVE AIRPORT? IT WILL NOT. IT WILL NOT. OKAY. AND THE SECOND THING IS, WHEN WE HEARD COUNCILMAN BLAIR COUNCILWOMAN BLAIR TALKING ABOUT THIS, [04:05:06] THE RIGHT SHARE AT LOVE FIELD. I KNOW WHERE HE IS NOW. IT'S KIND OF FAR THAN WHAT IT USED TO BE. I THINK IT WAS LIKE ZONE ONE. ZONE TWO, ZONE THREE. LIKE AT THE BOTTOM WHEN YOU COME IN. SO IT'S HAD SEVERAL VARIATIONS. WAS ON THE COMMERCIAL LIKE LOWER LEVEL CURVE. IT WENT OUT FAR TO GARAGE B AND NOW IT'S BACKED BY VALET OKAY. IT'S BACKED BY VALET. YEAH OKAY. GREAT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET. UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR PANEL HERE ON ITEM B? GO AHEAD. CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN, YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. SO MY ONLY CONCERN OF EVERYTHING YOU SAID IN THE PRESENTATION IS WHEN YOU SAID THE WORDS DESIGN BUILD. THIS IS A FULLY DEVELOPED AREA WITH LOTS OF ISSUES AND TRAFFIC, AND YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT WHILE THE AIRPORT IS STILL OPERATING. AND I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF YOUR PLAN. I THINK YOU HAVE THOUGHT IT OUT. I THINK OF ALL THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN PROPOSED. YOU'RE GOING WITH THE BEST PLAN, AND I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THAT BOLD STEP TO DO THE MORE COMPLICATED. BUT I THINK THE BEST THING FOR OUR CITY. BUT IF YOU GO WITH DESIGN BUILD, I WILL VOTE AGAINST IT. I CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO SAY HOW TRAGIC OF A MISTAKE I THINK IT WOULD BE TO DO THAT FOR THIS THIS PROJECT. AND NOT ONLY HAVE I LIVED IT ON THE SILVER LINE, WHICH CAME IN TWICE AS LONG FOR CONSTRUCTION AND TWICE OVER BUDGET, WE SEE IT WITH THE CONVENTION CENTER, WHICH WASN'T REALLY SET UP THAT WAY. BUT BOY, WE KEEP MOVING THINGS AROUND. AND SO I WOULD SAY SPEND THE MONEY UP FRONT. IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE TO FULLY DESIGN IT. IT WILL SAVE US MONEY AND TIME IN THE FUTURE. NOT TO MENTION YOUR OWN HEADACHES, BECAUSE WHEN YOU RUN INTO AN UNEXPECTED PROBLEM, IT IS. IT IS SO EXPENSIVE TO FIX AND EVERYTHING BECOMES A CRISIS AND YOU JUST LOSE CONTROL OF THIS PROJECT. SO I BEG YOU, PLEASE DON'T EVEN CONSIDER GOING THAT ROUTE. BUT IF YOU DO, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT. PLEASE FULLY DESIGN IT. KNOW WHAT WE'RE GETTING? LET'S PUT THE DOLLARS IN UPFRONT TO HAVE A TRULY, TRULY WONDERFUL PROJECT. THANK YOU. AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT, I PROBABLY PREMATURE. IT'S JUST I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE DELIVERY METHODS. WE ABSOLUTELY HAVEN'T DECIDED THAT AND WHAT THE BEST FIT IS. AND ALSO WHAT YOU MENTIONED IS KIND OF WHY WE'RE DOING ADVANCED PLANNING. WE'RE SPENDING THE TIME TO DO THE DESIGN AND THE PLANNING AND GET AS MUCH OUT OF THAT AS WE CAN AND GO SLOW WITH THAT SO THAT WHEN WE IMPLEMENT THE CONSTRUCTION THAT WE'RE ABLE TO KEEP THAT THAT OPERATION GOING AND GROWING. SO WE'RE VERY MINDFUL OF BEING VERY THOROUGH ON DESIGN AND ADVANCED PLANNING. WELL, TO DATE, OF EVERY PROJECT I'VE SEEN SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, THIS IS THE BEST PLANNED. THANK YOU. SO GREAT JOB. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR PANEL? CHAIRMAN MENDELSOHN FOR THREE MINUTES. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR ZERO MINUTES. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT, MADAM CITY MANAGER, I'M GONNA THROW IT BACK TO YOU SO YOU CAN TELL US IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR US BEFORE WE ARE FINISHED. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. THAT CONCLUDES OUR PREPARED BRIEFINGS FOR TODAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. ALL RIGHT. MADAM CITY SECRETARY, MR. MAYOR, THIS INCLUDES YOUR AGENDA FOR THIS MEETING. AND WE GOT ALL THE SPEAKERS THIS MORNING. THAT IS CORRECT, MR. MAYOR. WONDERFUL. THEN THE TIMES, 2:28 P.M., AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU EVERYONE. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.