* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. [BRIEFINGS] IT IS 9:02 AM ON THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 5TH, 2026, AND THIS IS THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION. UH, CAN WE START WITH A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SIMS. HERE. HERE. DISTRICT TWO. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. PRESENT, DISTRICT THREE. VICE CHAIR. HERBERT, DISTRICT FOUR. COMMISSIONER FORSYTH. HEY, DISTRICT FIVE. COMMISSIONER SERRATO. HERE, DISTRICT SIX. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DISTRICT SEVEN. COMMISSIONER WILLIE REAGAN, DISTRICT EIGHT. COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN PRESENT, DISTRICT NINE. COMMISSIONER KOONS. HERE. DISTRICT 10. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. DISTRICT 11. COMMISSIONER COX. PRESENT. DISTRICT 12. COMMISSIONER KAUFMAN. DISTRICT 13. COMMISSIONER HALL HERE. DISTRICT 14, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. YES. AND PLACE 15 CHAIR RUBIN. I'M HERE. YOU HAVE A QUORUM, SIR. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, JUST A COUPLE HOUSEKEEPING NOTES BEFORE WE GET STARTED. THIS IS THE BRIEFING PORTION OF OUR AGENDA, SO THIS IS THE TIME FOR US TO ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF, ALL THE PUBLIC INPUT, UM, AND, AND QUESTIONS. REMEMBER, THE PUBLIC WILL WILL COME IN IN THE AFTERNOON. UM, I, I DID WANNA JUST TAKE A MOMENT AT THE START OF OUR MEETING TODAY, UH, TO RECOGNIZE THAT ONE OF OUR COLLEAGUES, UH, COMMISSIONER TOM FORSYTH, LOST HIS PARTNER, GLEN HAWKINS, OR I'M SORRY, YEAH. GLEN HAWKINS LAST WEEK. SO WE JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT HERE, UH, A MOMENT OF SILENCE TO HONOR GLEN AND, UH, EXTEND OUR CONDOLENCES AS A COMMISSION TO COMMISSIONER FORSYTH. OKAY. WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR FIRST ITEM, WHICH IS A DART BRIEFING ON THE CITY OF DALLAS TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT. AND, UH, I'LL JUST PREFACE THIS ITEM BY SAYING I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE DART BOARD CHAIR RANDALL BRYANT IN LATE 2025 TO TALK ABOUT HOW DART AND OUR BODY COULD HAVE THE BEST WORKING RELATIONSHIP POSSIBLE. AND ONE THING THAT HE'D BROUGHT UP IS THAT THE DART BOARD ITSELF HAD GOTTEN A, A BRIEFING ON DART'S, TOD EFFORTS AND OR WOULD BE GETTING A BRIEFING ON DART'S, TOD EFFORTS. AND THAT HE WAS VERY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT SHARING THAT WITH US AS THE CPC SINCE SO MUCH OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, INCLUDING FORWARD DALLAS, YOU KNOW, IS FOCUSING ON TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, AND HOW DO WE MAKE THAT HAPPEN IN THE CITY IN AN EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE WAY. SO I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE TO, UM, CHAIR BRYANT AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE AT DART FOR BEING SO WILLING TO COME AND, AND, AND SHARE THIS WITH US TODAY. AND, UH, WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE, UM, HERE WITH US TODAY. UNFORTUNATELY, CHAIR BRYANT HAD A CONFLICT COME UP. WE'VE GOT, UH, PATRICK KENNEDY, WHO IS ONE OF DALLAS'S REPRESENTATIVES ON THE DART BOARD, UM, AND KAITLYN HOLLAND OF DART. AND, UH, I'LL LEAVE IT TO THEM IF THEY WANT TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES FURTHER. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I'LL TURN THAT OVER TO YOU, MR. KENNEDY AND MS. HOLLAND. THANK YOU, CHAIR RUBIN AND COMMISSION FOR HAVING US. WE'RE, UM, WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO BE TALKING ABOUT, UM, DART'S ONGOING EFFORTS ON TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT. OBVIOUSLY, WE ARE A, A MAJOR LANDOWNER IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND, UM, WE ARE, HAVE NOT DONE ENOUGH, IN MY OPINION, WITH OUR LAND TO, TO ACTIVATE IT, TO INCREASE DENSITY AROUND OUR STATIONS. AND I THINK WE'VE GOT THE RIGHT, UH, LEADERSHIP WITH, UH, KAITLYN HOLLAND HERE, VICE PRESIDENT OF REAL ESTATE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO HELP, UH, BRING OUR AGENCY SORT OF INTO THE 21ST CENTURY WITH THE VARIOUS EFFORTS OF PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS TO, UH, DO MORE WITH OUR LAND. UM, I PERSONALLY AM CHAIR OF THE DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, AND, UH, ONE OF THE TASKS THAT I HAVE ASKED OF STAFF IS THAT WE [00:05:01] IMPROVE OUR PROCESSES AND RELATIONSHIPS, AND STAFF HAS BEGUN DOING THAT IN THE PAST YEAR, WHERE WE NEED TO BE BETTER PARTNERS WITH OUR CITIES, UH, AND WE NEED TO BE BETTER PARTNERS WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO IMPROVE OUR INTERNAL PROCESSES. AND, AND CAITLYN HAS BEEN WORKING ON THAT. UH, MY HOPE IS THAT THE BOARD, AT THE BOARD LEVEL, WE CAN, UH, HELP, UH, EXPEDITE SOME OF THESE PROCESSES AS WELL AS, UM, WORKING WITH THE CITY, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE CITY THAT HAS THE, THE LEGAL RIGHT TO ENTITLE LAND AND WHAT WE END UP DOING WITH IT. AND THAT'S SORT OF A BIG COMPONENT OF WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY. AND SO, I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER. HOPEFULLY THE SLIDE DECK THAT CAITLIN PREPARED IS, IS READY TO GO, AND THEN I'LL GIVE SOME COMMENTS AFTERWARDS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. KENNEDY. AND BEFORE YOU START MS. HOLLAND, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE, UM, FOR THE RECORD THAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND VICE CHAIR HERBERT HAVE JOINED US. WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE INVITATION. INVITATION. UM, WE'RE SO PLEASED TO BE HERE AND HONORED, UM, TO BE ABLE TO SHARE SOME OF OUR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES. UM, AS MR. KENNEDY SAID, MY NAME'S KAITLYN HOLLAND, VICE PRESIDENT OF REAL ESTATE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO IN MY ROLE, I LEAD OUR REAL ESTATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, RAILROAD MANAGEMENT, AND ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE SECTIONS FOR DART. SO, UH, THIS SLIDE DECK, WE'LL JUST WALK THROUGH ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN BUSY DOING FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS. OH, UNT HAS BEEN CONDUCTING, OH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. OKAY. JUST GIVE US ONE SECOND FOR THE SLIDE DECK TO SHOW UP ON OUR SCREENS. PERFECT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, NOW THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, UH, UNT HAS BEEN PERFORMING STUDIES FOR DART FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS. THIS MOST RECENT EDITION WAS RELEASED LATE LAST YEAR, UM, AND IT WAS OUR, AS I SAID, OUR 25TH EDITION. AND THIS STUDY HAS BEEN LOOKING AT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF OUR LIGHT RAIL STATION. SO UNT HAS BEEN STUDYING THE QUARTER MILE RADIUS AROUND OUR LIGHT RAIL STATIONS, EXCLUDING CBD, BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MUCH DENSITY THERE, UM, FOR MEANINGFUL RESULTS. UM, BUT THIS STUDY HAS REVEALED THAT OVER THOSE 25 YEARS, THE DART LIGHT RAIL STATIONS HAVE RESULTED IN $18.1 BILLION ECONOMIC IMPACT TO THE AREA. THIS LATEST ITERATION THAT LOOKED AT 2022 TO 2024 SHOWED THAT THERE WERE 37 TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. SO WITHIN THAT QUARTER MILE RADIUS OF A STATION THAT RESULTED IN A $1.2 BILLION DIRECT ECONOMIC IMPACT AND A NEARLY 2 BILLION TOTAL ECONOMIC IMPACT, THAT TRANSLATES TO ALMOST 10,000 NEW JOBS. $724.2 MILLION IN WAGES, $51.5 MILLION IN STATE AND LOCAL FUNDS, AND ALMOST 200 MILLION IN TOTAL TAX REVENUE. THIS PARTICULAR STUDY ALSO LOOKED AT WHAT DEVELOPERS COULD EXPECT FROM RENTALS, UH, FOR THESE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, UH, DEVELOPMENTS, UH, THAT RESULTED IN A 10, 10%, UH, RENT PREMIUM FOR RESIDENTIAL AND 12.6 FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES OF RENT PREMIUMS FOR THOSE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. THIS SHOWS OUR CURRENT TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS ON DART OWNED PROPERTY. SO OF COURSE, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS OCCURRED OVER THE YEARS ON THIRD PARTY OWNED PROPERTY, UM, THAT IS REFLECTED IN THOSE UNT NUMBERS. UM, BUT NOW WE'VE EMBARKED ON A NEW ERA WHERE WE ARE REALLY FOCUSED ON TRYING TO TRANSFORM OUR EMPTY PARKING LOTS INTO THRIVING DEVELOPMENT TO SUPPORT OUR SYSTEM. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE THREE PROJECT PROJECTS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, AND I'LL GET INTO MORE DETAILS ON THOSE THREE. BUT AT BUCKNER STATION, WHICH YOU SHOULD ALL BE FAMILIAR WITH, UM, SMU MOCKINGBIRD AS WELL. AND THEN TRINITY MILLS, WE HAVE ONE PROJECT THAT'S IN PRE-DEVELOPMENT AT ADDISON, AND, UH, ONE IN THE RFP PROCESS AT ARAPAHOE IN RICHARDSON. AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A FUTURE RFP AT WESTMORELAND IN SOUTHERN DALLAS. SO GETTING INTO TRINITY MILL STATION, WHICH HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED BY D MAGAZINES AS, UH, A FINALIST FOR THE 2026 COMMERCIAL PROJECTS OF THE YEAR. UM, YOU'LL NOTICE, UH, A THEME. UM, I HAVE THIS DESIGNATED ON ALL OF OUR ACTIVE PROJECTS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND AS WELL AS ADDISON. ALL FOUR OF OUR PROJECTS HAVE BEEN RECOGNIZED BY D D'S MAG D MAGAZINE AS FINALISTS FOR THE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE AWARD. TRINITY MILLS IS A 26 ACRE TOTAL TOD SITE. IT'S A PROJECT THAT WE ARE PERFORMING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF CARROLLTON. CITY OF CARROLLTON, UM, HAS SOME PROPERTY INVOLVED IN THIS AS WELL AS DART. SO IT'S A JOINT EFFORT. YOU'LL SEE, UM, THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTED. WE JUST HAD THE RIBBON CUTTING ON THAT RECENTLY. [00:10:01] 436 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL SPACE ON THE GROUND FLOOR. THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED IS THE PORTION OF THE SITE THAT WILL STILL WILL BE DEVELOPED. UM, THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM A VVA IS GOING TO BE A OFFICE. AND THEN THE PROPERTY FURTHER AWAY IS THE DART OWNED PROPERTY, UH, THAT WE'RE STILL DECIDING WHAT THAT WILL BE, BUT POTENTIALLY A HOTEL AND OTHER, UM, MIXED USES, EXCUSES. NOW, BUCKNER STATION, WHICH WE JUST RECENTLY CLOSED IN JULY OF 17, THIS WAS A GREAT PARTNERSHIP EFFORT BETWEEN DART AND CITY OF DALLAS, DALLAS HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION AND MANY OTHERS TO MAKE THIS PROJECT POSSIBLE. AS YOU SEE, THE YELLOW IS, IS THE SITE. THIS IS ALL DART AND PROPERTY RIGHT ADJACENT TO OUR BUCKNER STATION. WE HAD THE GROUNDBREAKING IN AUGUST. IT WAS A GREAT EVENT. YOU'LL SEE WHAT EXISTS NOW. NOW, THIS WAS ACTUALLY ABOUT A MONTH AGO THAT, UM, I TOOK THIS PHOTO, SO IT'S EVEN FURTHER ADVANCED, BUT YOU SEE VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION ON THE SITE. THEY'RE MOVING FAST, EXPECTING TO START PRELEASING THIS FALL, AND THEN, UH, HAVING THE FIRST UNITS DELIVERED IN SPRING OF 2027. AND PALLADIUM'S THE DEVELOPER FOR THIS PROJECT. NOW, SMU MOCKINGBIRD STATION, UH, HERE, YOU SEE HOW IT EXISTS TODAY WITH SOME, UM, GREAT TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT ON THE, UM, OTHER SIDE OF THE STATION ON, UH, PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTY. THIS IS OUR PROJECT YOU SEE IN YELLOW. UH, THE PRO THE DEVELOPER FOR THIS PROJECT IS TRAMELL CROW. WE JUST BROKE GROUND IN DECEMBER. UH, THIS WILL CONVERT 16 ACRES INTO, UM, A MULTI MULTITUDE OF USES. THIS PARKING LOT IS, UH, VERY HIGHLY UNDERUTILIZED, ONLY 29% USAGE CURRENTLY. THIS SHOWS HOW WE'RE GONNA DEVELOP THIS SITE. UM, THE INITIAL PHASE IS THE MULTIFAMILY THAT YOU SEE IN, IN PURPLE AND THE DART SUBSURFACE GARAGE. UH, THIS WILL BE A GARAGE THAT'S UTILIZED BY DART CUSTOMERS AS WELL, UM, AS AVAILABLE TO OTHERS TO PARK FOR A FEE. WE'RE GOING TO INCORPORATE A PARKING ACCESS REVENUE CONTROL SYSTEM INTO THIS GARAGE. THE FUTURE PHASES YOU SEE IN GREEN. UM, BUT KEEP IN MIND THE, BECAUSE IT WILL BE A SUBSURFACE GARAGE, UH, THE INTENTION IS TO BUILD ON TOP OF THAT, AS WELL AS THAT WILL BE. THE FINAL PHASE IS ALSO DEVELOPING WHAT YOU SEE IN BLUE, ADD A SENSATION. THIS PROJECT IS IN PRE-DEVELOPMENT IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE TOWN OF ADDISON, WHO'S CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY. AND THEN DART HAS ABOUT FIVE ACRES INVOLVED IN THIS. YOU SEE THIS IN YELLOW. UM, WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH ADDISON AND THE DEVELOPER FOR THIS PROJECT. QUADRANT INVESTMENT, UH, PROPERTIES TO, UM, GET THIS GOING. YOU'LL SEE, UH, THE RENDERINGS OF CONCEPTUALLY WHAT IS PLANNED FOR THE SITE, AND THEN FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES. UH, WE HAVE, UM, PLANNED, UM, TO ISSUE A SOLICITATION FOR WESTMORELAND STATION SOMETIME THIS SUMMER. UM, IF YOU RECALL, UH, DART ENTERED INTO AN MOU WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS A FEW YEARS AGO TO TRY AND, UM, SOLICIT AND DEVELOP A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES. WESTMORELAND WAS ONE OF THOSE, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, AND AS WAS BUCKNER, UNFORTUNATELY, WESTMORELAND AND THE OTHER FOUR, ALL, UM, WERE NOT DEVELOPED IN ALONG THE TIMELINE. AND SO THOSE HAVE TIMED OUT. SO, UM, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF, UH, THIS TIME, UH, WE INTEND FOR DART TO ISSUE THE SOLICITATION, UM, AND SEE IF WE CAN, UM, TRY AGAIN. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DEVELOPER INTEREST OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS, AND SO WE THINK IT'S A GOOD PROJECT TO TRY, UH, SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME MORE HEADWAY THIS TIME. THIS SHOWS AN INVENTORY OF ALL OF OUR TOD SITES THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS. UM, THIS IDENTIFIES HIGH DEVELOPMENT READINESS, MEDIUM AND LOW. OF COURSE, IT'S ALL SUBJECTIVE, SO, UM, I'M SURE EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM COULD ARGUE WITH US ON, ON ANY PARTICULAR SITE. UH, BUT GENERALLY THAT'S, UM, HOW WE'VE RANKED THEM. UM, AND THEN YOU SEE THE ZONING FOR ALL OF THOSE. A LOT OF, UH, PDS, OF COURSE, UM, ALMOST ALL OF THEM, IF NOT ALL OF THEM, WILL NEED TO BE REZONED TO ACTUALLY BE DEVELOPED INTO EITHER HOUSING OR MIXED USE. SO, QUITE AN UNDERTAKING. AND I DID WANNA, UH, JUST SPEAK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN LAND USE AND TRANSIT. SO JUST TRANSIT ORIENTED DESIGN AT A HIGH LEVEL NEEDS TO BE WALKABLE AND CONNECTED DENSE AND HAVE DIVERSE USES, AND THEN BE CONTEXT SENSITIVE. SO REALLY LOOKING AT THE PLACE MAKING AND MAKE AND DESIGNING IT TO FIT THE SCALE OF THE, OF THE AREA. WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE WITHIN A FIVE MILE RADIUS ARE FIVE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO WALK TO A MAJOR TRANSIT STOP THAN ANYONE ELSE. SO WHAT DOES SUCCESSFUL TIER D RESULT IN? REDUCE GREENHOUSE EMISSIONS, INCREASE LAND PROPERTY VALUE CREATES JOBS, DECREASES INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS, ENHANCES PUBLIC HEALTH BECAUSE OF THE WALKING COMPONENT TO IT. AND THE BIKING, UH, CHANGES TRAVEL PATTERNS AND REDUCES HOUSEHOLD EXPENSES BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE COST OF VEHICLE MAINTENANCE AND FUEL. BUT MAKING A SUCCESSFUL TOD CAN BE A CHALLENGE. UM, IT REQUIRES DEV DEVELOPMENT DENSITY, GREAT STREET DESIGN, DESTINATION ACCESSIBILITY. YOU HAVE TO, IT HAS TO CONNECT YOU TO OTHER PLACES AS WELL. UM, THE, THAT DISTANCE TO TRANSIT, AGAIN, THAT, THAT HALF MILE RADIUS AND THEN PARKING MANAGEMENT. AN EXAMPLE OF THIS, UH, IS [00:15:01] A CASE STUDY THAT WAS DONE IN 2020 BY THE UNIVERSITY TRANSPORTATION CENTER, FUNDED BY US DOT, THAT LOOKED AT THE MOCKINGBIRD TO OD. NOW, THIS IS THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS DONE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY MANY YEARS AGO. ALTHOUGH THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT, UM, HIGHLY UTILIZED, IT STILL HAS 79% OF TRIPS THAT ARE MADE BY VEHICLE, NOT BY RAIL. AND ONLY 55% OF THE PARKING THERE IS UTILIZED. SO, ALTHOUGH A GREAT DEVELOP DEVELOPMENT, IT HASN'T TRANSLATED INTO INCREASED RIDERSHIP OR A CHANGE IN TRAVEL PATTERNS. THIS SHOWS CDOS POPULATION DENSITY. AND THEN HERE I HAVE IT OVERLAPPED WITH OUR RAIL LINES, OUR LIGHT RAIL LINES. YOU SEE THAT THE DENSITY DOESN'T CORRELATE MUCH OF IT ALL TO OUR CURRENT FIXED RAIL LINES. AND JUST AS A COMPARISON, UM, AS WE'RE QUICKLY GAINING, UM, TRACTION ON CHICAGO AS BEING A CONTEMPORARY IN SIZE, YOU SEE HERE ON, UM, ONE SIDE CHICAGO AND THE DENSITY IN THEIR RAIL LINES COMPARED TO, TO THE ENTIRE DFW REGION AND HOW THE DI THE DENSITY IS, UM, VERY DISPERSED, UH, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO OUR TRANSIT LINES. WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR DIRECT THEM TO DIRECTOR KENNEDY. YEAH, THANK YOU CAITLYN. AND BEFORE WE OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS, I JUST WANTED TO ADD A, A COUPLE COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT WE ARE, WE ARE TRYING TO DO. AND I BELIEVE WE'VE GOT CONSENSUS ON THE BOARD IN THIS, UH, TOWARDS THIS GENERAL DIRECTION. BUT OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA NEED, NEED PARTNERS TO, TO DELIVER ON, ON SOME OF THESE GOALS. AND, UH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A QUOTE THAT I ONCE READ OR HEARD FROM, UH, I THINK IT WAS A FORMER I BOARD CHAIR OF BART OR BAY AREA RAPID TRANSIT, WHERE HIS GOAL FOR TRANSIT WARRIOR DEVELOPMENT WAS THAT IF HE FLEW IN OR OUT OF SFO, HE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO LOOK OUT OVER THE CITY AND OVER THE REGION AND SEE THE POCKETS OF DENSITY AND BE ABLE TO TELL THAT'S WHERE THE TRANSIT STOPS WERE. AND YOU KNOW, I THINK ABOUT THAT, AND I THINK ABOUT LIKE, IF YOU FLY INTO, SAY REAGAN IN DC YOU CAN SEE THE ROSLYN BALLSTON CORRIDOR IN ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA, WHERE IT'S ALL THESE POCKETS OF DENSITY. AND THAT WAS PLANNED IN THE NINETIES WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING THE RAIL LINES. AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEEDED TO BE DOING IN THE, IN THE NINETIES, BUT WE HAVEN'T. AND SO WE REALLY HAVE TO, UM, REALLY STEP UP WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO BE ABLE TO DELIVER THAT. AND THAT'S MEANINGFUL BECAUSE IT ENDS UP DELIVERING HOUSING FOR PEOPLE. IT'S TAX BASE FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS. THAT MEANS IMPROVED SERVICES ULTIMATELY FOR CITY RESIDENCES. AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE A PART TO PLAY IN THAT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAD THE GROUNDBREAKING FOR MOCKINGBIRD STATION, AS CAITLIN MENTIONED, AND WE FIRST STARTED THAT PROJECT IN MY FIRST YEAR ON THE BOARD, AND I AM ON MY FIFTH TERM NOW. SO IT'S BEEN NINE YEARS. AND YES, THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A PANDEMIC OFFICE MARKET CRASH. WE NEEDED TO FIND MONEY FROM THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS AND TO HELP PAY FOR THE GARAGE. AND SO IT'S TAKEN A LONG TIME, BUT ALL OF OUR PROJECTS END UP TAKING FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS. AND SO I'VE ASKED STAFF TO DO WHAT THEY CAN TO EXPEDITE THAT PROCESS, BECAUSE TO HAVE THE BEST DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, WE HAVE TO DELIVER, UH, PREDICTABILITY. AND THEY ALSO DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE DEVELOPMENT CYCLES AND NOT KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE, HELP CARRY THAT LAND, THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT COST, ALL THOSE VARIOUS THINGS THAT CAN HINDER THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT. UM, AND SO THE MOCKINGBIRD STATION PROJECT IS NOW MOVING FORWARD, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING LIKE 10, 12 ACRES OF SURFACE PARKING LOTS, WHICH WERE BARELY HALF FULL, PROBABLY NOT EVEN THAT. UM, AND ULTIMATELY THAT'S SORT OF A LOSE LOSE CONDITION BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ROOFTOPS OVER PEOPLE'S HEADS. THAT'S NOT TAX BASE FOR THE CITY. THAT'S NOT RIDERS LIVING NEAR THE STATION, WALKING TO THE GROCERY STORE THAT'S NEXT DOOR. AND SO WE, AGAIN, WE HAVE A PART TO PLAY IN THAT, BUT WE ALSO NEED SOME HELP FROM THE CITY BECAUSE AS CAITLYN MENTIONED, MOST OF OUR, UH, SITES ARE SERVICE PARKING LOTS AND WHATNOT, ARE NOT ZONED TO DO MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT CURRENTLY. UM, EVEN WE'VE EVEN HAD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS THAT HAVE BOGGLED MY MIND THAT I, I DIG THEM UP AND FIND THAT WE ENTITLED THEM TO DO ONLY A TRANSFER STATION IN PARKING, WHICH IS CRAZY TO ME. BUT WE HAVE TO UNWIND ALL OF THAT AND BRING, UH, OUR CODE AND OUR ENTITLEMENTS FOR, FOR OUR LAND INTO THE 21ST CENTURY SO WE CAN DELIVER THE KIND OF, UH, CHOICE IN HOUSING AND TRANSPORTATION THAT I BELIEVE OUR CITY NEEDS. AND SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHAT CAITLIN SHOWED WITH SORT OF THE RANKING OF OUR PROPERTY WAS GOING FROM A REACTIVE AGENCY WHERE WE THOUGHT ALL WE DO IS, YOU KNOW, ROLL OUR ROLLING STOCK, UH, TO A PROACTIVE AGENCY WHERE WE'RE NOT JUST WAITING AROUND FOR A DEVELOPER TO COME TO US AND SAY, HEY, I LIKE THAT PARKING LOT. CAN I DEVELOP IT? AND WE SAY, GREAT. UH, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN RFP PROCESS THAT'LL TAKE A YEAR OR TWO, THEN WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH, UH, A NEGOTIATION WITH THE BOARD, WHICH WILL TAKE ANOTHER [00:20:01] YEAR, AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH ZONING, AND THAT'S GONNA TAKE ANOTHER YEAR OR SO. AND SO ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW WE'RE IN A DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT CYCLE, AND WE'RE NOT EVEN ATTRACTING SOMETIMES ENOUGH INTEREST FROM THE DEVELOPMENT MARKET TO EVEN DO MORE WITH OUR LAND. AND SO I'M HOPING THAT WORKING WITH THE CITY, UM, WE CAN, WE CAN CHANGE THAT PROCESS AND WE CAN HAVE A, UH, INSTEAD OF A PLUS FIVE YEAR PROCESS AND MAKE IT INTO SOMETHING, UH, MUCH MORE EXPEDITED SO WE CAN DELIVER THESE WIN-WIN CONDITIONS FOR THE CITY, FOR THE AGENCY, AND FOR OUR CITIZENS WHERE WE DO HAVE ROOFTOPS OVER, OVER PEOPLE'S HEADS WHERE THEY DO HAVE CHOICE AND TRANSPORTATION, WHICH IN A WAY IS, IS FREEDOM. YOU DON'T HAVE TO OWN A CAR TO, TO LIVE YOUR DAILY LIFE. UM, AND ULTIMATELY IT'S SIGNIFICANT TAX BASE FOR THE CITY. THE KIND OF MIXED USE, HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ABOUT 20 TO 30 TIMES PER ACRE, THE TAX BASE REVENUE FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS THAN THE AVERAGE DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY. AND SO THAT MAKES A, A HUGE DIFFERENCE, OBVIOUSLY, AND I THINK WE NEED A LOT MORE OF IT. SO I THINK WITH THAT, UH, THE LAST THING I'LL JUST SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE CITY IS GOING THROUGH AN OVERHAUL OF ITS DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH, UH, IN MY MIND IS, IS SIGNIFICANTLY ANTIQUATED. AND A LOT OF OUR LAND, AGAIN, IS, IS CURRENTLY LIKE INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH OR SOMETHING. AND, AND THE CITY CAN'T EVEN APPLY SB EIGHT 40 IN A MEANINGFUL WAY ON THAT BECAUSE, UH, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL CAN BE S UED INTO THAT LAND. SO WE CAN'T DELIVER HOUSING WITHOUT HAVING OPENING UP IR INTO SOMETHING THAT'S A, TO ME IS A, ALLOWS FOR MIXED USE AND THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE NEED FOR THE 21ST CENTURY THAT'S NO LONGER ABOUT, UM, WAREHOUSES AND LOGISTICS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT IS, IS READY FOR, UH, THE KIND OF WALKABLE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT I THINK THE MARKET, UH, REALLY DEMANDS. AND WE SEE THAT AROUND THE CITY THAT ANYWHERE THAT GETS A MODICUM OF WALKABILITY, THE PRICES SKYROCKET. AND THAT'S JUST A, A SIGN THAT DEMAND IS OUTSTRIPPING SUPPLY. AND THAT'S WHERE IT STARTS PLAYING INTO THE HOUSING COST ISSUES THAT WE HAVE. UM, AND SO THAT, I'M HAPPY TO OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS FOR ME AND KAITLYN. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. KENNEDY. AND, UH, MS. HOLLAND FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND COMMENTS. VERY HELPFUL IN ILLUMINATING JUST, UM, TWO NOTES BEFORE WE HOP INTO QUESTIONS FROM, UM, THE COMMISSIONERS. ONE, OUR SCREENS HERE THAT WE LOOK ON ARE, ARE PRETTY SMALL. THERE'S A RUMOR THAT WE'RE GETTING BIGGER AND BETTER SCREENS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, BUT THEY HAVEN'T MATERIALIZED YET. IF YOU COULD SEND YOUR SLIDE DECK, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND SENDING YOUR SLIDE DECK TO MR. PEPE, AND SO IT COULD BE, UH, CIRCULATED TO ALL THE COMMISSIONERS, WE'D REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, JUST SO WE CAN, UM, SEE IT BETTER. AND SECOND, JUST, YOU KNOW, ECHOING MR. KENNEDY'S COMMENTS, UM, WE ARE COMING UP ON THE DEVELOPMENT CODE REWRITE ZONING REFORM. UM, AND DART IS SUCH A, A KEY STAKEHOLDER IN THE CITY AND WE INVEST SO MUCH OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN, IN DART THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WELCOME DART'S INPUT THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS AS, AS WE WORK ON THAT AND HOPE THAT THIS IS, UH, A, A CONTINUED FRUITFUL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN DART AND THE CPC CHARITY. IF I MAY. I MEAN, IF WE WERE TO BE REALLY PRODUCTIVE WITH OUR LAND, I MEAN, WE WOULD END UP PAYING BACK A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SALES TAX THROUGH PROPERTY TAX REVENUE. AND I THINK THAT'S, UH, AN EQUATION THAT IS SORT OF MISSING IN THIS BROADER DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH THE REST OF OUR, OUR MEMBER CITIES AS WELL. GREAT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, UM, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, THANK YOU. I ASSUME YOU'VE IDENTIFIED ALL OF THE SITES THAT YOU THINK ARE APPROPRIATE FOR REDEVELOPMENT? YES, I WOULD SAY IT'S PART OF THE LIST THAT, THAT, THAT KAITLYN SHOWED. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE IDENTIFIED SITES THAT ARE NOT SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT AND AS PART OF, UM, CEO LEE'S, UH, UH, WHAT IS IT CALLED AGAIN? FANTASTIC SPACES, I'M SORRY, UH, I FORGET THE NAME RE BUT WE JUST HAD A MEETING YESTERDAY WITH A GROUP ABOUT SORT OF CROWDSOURCING IDEAS TO ACTIVATE SPACES THAT CAN'T BE DEVELOPED, SAY LIKE IT MIGHT BE UNDER AN OVERPASS WHERE WE HAVE AN ELEVATED RAIL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE WE CAN MAKE THAT A, A NICER CONDITION, UH, FOR PEDESTRIANS, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. BUT, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL WAYS OF IMPROVING OUR, OUR LAND. WHAT IS THE SPECIFIC ASK OF THIS BODY? LIKE IF YOU HAD A MAGIC, IF YOU HAD MAGIC BEANS THAT YOU COULD THROW AND SAY, OKAY, I'VE THROWN MY MAGIC BEANS. YOU CITY PLANT COMMISSION COULD DO X, THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE. BECAUSE CANDIDLY, I THINK THE DEVELOPMENT CODE REWRITE IS YEARS AWAY. WE HAVEN'T SEEN A DRAFT OF IT, AND THE TIMELINE IS EVASIVE. SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ESTABLISH OUR OWN COMMITTEES. WE HAVE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY. WHAT IS IT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO DO? SURE, YEAH. UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING I THINK WE'VE BEEN HOLDING BACK [00:25:01] ON WAS OUR STRATEGY TO ENTITLE OUR LAND. AND THE QUESTION IS, DO WE GO IN ONE PROJECT AT A TIME, RIGHT? AND THAT COULD TAKE FOREVER. DO WE GO IN WITH ALL OF OUR LAND AT ONE TIME? WELL, AT THE SAME TIME WE HAD THE STATE WEIGHING IN WITH THINGS LIKE SB EIGHT 40, LIKE, OKAY, WELL THAT POTENTIALLY ENTITLES SOME OF OUR LAND. AND THEN WE HAVE ISSUES OF, YOU KNOW, THE CITY'S GOING THROUGH CODE REWRITE. LIKE, OKAY, SHOULD WE JUST SIT BACK AND WAIT FOR ALL THESE THINGS TO HAPPEN? OR DO WE NEED TO BE MORE PROACTIVE ON THAT? AND I'M NOT SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT ANSWER. I MEAN, PERFECT WORLD, THE CODE REWRITE HAPPENS MUCH FASTER AND ALL OF OUR LAND GETS ENTITLED INTO SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO THAT'S TRANSITORY DEVELOPMENT RELATED. UM, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF LAND THAT'S IR, IM, YOU KNOW, JUST PARKING. UM, AND WE NEED THAT TO BE ENTITLED. AND I THINK THAT WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE OUR TIMELINE, OUR ABILITY TO WORK WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THOSE PROCESSES AFTERWARDS. SO, UM, IF I WAS TO HAVE MAGIC BEANS, IT WOULD EITHER BE THAT IF WE DON'T THINK THE CODE REWRITE IS, UH, FEASIBLE, I MEAN, FIRST AND FOREMOST, IF WE'RE TALKING DREAMWORLD, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT CODE, RIGHT? 'CAUSE THE CURRENT CODE IS, IS STUCK IN THE 1960S, LIKE THE PARKING CODE WAS BEFORE WE MADE SOME BABY STEPS THERE. UM, THAT WE WOULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS MUCH MORE SUITABLE FOR THE KIND OF WALKABLE ROARING DEVELOPMENT THAT WE NEED, PARTICULARLY AROUND OUR RAIL LINES. I I THINK THERE ACTUALLY IS OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT ON OUR HIGH FREQUENCY BUS CORRIDORS TOO. UM, BUT THAT'S A ANOTHER STORY. UM, SO YEAH, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, ONE IS THE GOAL WOULD BE HAVING ALL OF OUR LAND BE ENTITLED FOR HIGH DENSITY MIXED USE. UM, AND THE MEANS FOR THAT GOAL, I THINK IS, IS A QUESTION MARK. AND IS IT THE CODE REWRITE OR IS IT, UH, A COMPLETE REZONING OF OUR LAND? AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE SUBOPTIMAL TO THE CODE REWRITE BECAUSE WHAT CAITLYN SHOWED WITH THE MOCKINGBIRD, UH, STATISTICS THAT IT HAD SOME IMPACT IN TERMS OF CHANGING MODE SHARE. UM, THE THING IS, IT'S A POCKET OF DEVELOPMENT. IT'S NOT A BROADER CONTEXT OF A SAY A QUARTER MILE, HALF MILE WALKING DISTANCE OF MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS ACTUALLY WHAT YOU REALLY NEED. HE NUTS. I TOLD ALREADY ONE IN THE MORNING, ONE IN THE AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I THINK YOUR MIC IS ON . OKAY. YEAH. SO IT CAN'T JUST BE A SINGLE DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? AND EVEN PRIVATE DEVELOPERS WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GONNA BE HAPPENING AROUND THEM. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE A FULL CODE REWRITE OR A TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY WITHIN SAY QUARTER HALF MILE OF STATIONS, UH, WOULD BE HELPFUL. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T LIKE, I DON'T LIKE DOING SORT OF SUPERFICIAL OR NIBBLING AROUND THE EDGES KIND OF THINGS. I THINK THE, THE CODE REWRITE WOULD BE THE OPTIMAL SOLUTION AND WE SHOULD BE DOING EVERYTHING IN OUR, IN OUR POWER TO, TO GET THAT DONE. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, UH, YEAH, THANKS FOR THE REPORT AND, UH, I'M ENCOURAGED BY, UM, UH, SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT YOU ALL HAVE UNDERWAY. UM, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON TOOK MY QUESTION, SO I'M GONNA PIVOT TO A DIFFERENT QUESTION. UM, AND IT, PART OF IT'S JUST MY, MY PERSONAL OBSERVATIONS AND OPINIONS ABOUT TOD IN DALLAS RELATIVE TO DART. UM, IT TO ME SEEMS THAT IT'S BEEN VERY, VERY SLOW IN COMING, UH, MUCH SLOWER THAN I WOULD'VE THOUGHT, MUCH SLOWER THAN I WOULD'VE LIKED. UM, MY PARTICULAR EXPERIENCE IN DISTRICT 10 HAS BEEN THAT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY DOESN'T REALLY SEE VALUE INHERENT IN TOD LAND. UH, I'VE GOT, UH, DEVELOPERS THAT DON'T BUILD TO ENTITLEMENTS. THEY BUILD FAR SHORT OF ENTITLEMENTS. I'VE GOT DEVELOPERS THAT WON'T RESPOND TO RFPS ON, UH, UH, SITES LIKE THE SKILLMAN 6 35 STATION THAT LANGUISHES FOR DECADES. UM, YOU KNOW, MOCKINGBIRD STATION WHILE IS A VERY VISIONARY, VERY INNOVATIVE PROJECT THAT, UM, MANY OF US, I THINK IN THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY REALLY ADMIRED, HAS BEEN PRETTY MUCH A FINANCIAL FAILURE. IT'S, UH, BEEN FORECLOSED ON MULTIPLE TIMES, TRADED HANDS MULTIPLE TIMES. UH, OCCUPANCIES ARE NOT GREAT. AND AS YOU POINTED OUT, UM, HASN'T REALLY MOVED THE NEEDLE MUCH ON RIDERSHIP. SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE YOU ALL DOING TO ENGAGE WITH THE REAL ESTATE COMMUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, KNOW, DEMONSTRATE OR EXPLAIN THE VALUE PROPOSITION AND, UM, WHAT YOUR LAND AND THE ASSET OF THE RAIL CAN DO FOR THEIR BUSINESS? ARE, ARE YOU GUYS PROACTIVELY OUT COURTING THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND TRYING TO CHANGE THE PERCEPTION OF TOD? YEAH. THANK YOU FOR [00:30:01] THAT QUESTION, COMMISSIONER HOUSER, AND I THINK YOU'VE IDENTIFIED KIND OF THE KEY ISSUE THERE. AND THERE'S, THERE'S MULTIPLE POINTS TO THAT. FIRST BEING, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS AT THE TIME OF DELIVERY OF STATIONS, THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE RO DEVELOPMENT MASTER PLANS AROUND EVERY SINGLE STATION. AND THAT WAS NEVER DONE. AND SO ONCE THE PLANS DON'T GET DONE, THE REZONINGS DON'T GET DONE AND EVERYTHING SORT OF LANGUISHES, RIGHT? AND SO NOW WE'RE HERE AT THIS PLACE WHERE WE DON'T HAVE THE TRANS ORIENT DEVELOPMENT ZONING THAT WE NEED TO ACTUALLY HAVE THAT. AND I THINK THAT, UH, THAT GETS TO THE DEVELOPER INTEREST SIDE OF IT AS WELL, IS THAT THEY DON'T WANNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS 5, 7, 9 YEAR PROCESS. AND IT'S ONLY A SELECT FEW LIKE TRAMMELL CROW THAT HAVE THE RESOURCES TO CARRY THAT TIME AND EFFORT. UM, AND SO THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD. UM, SO I THINK THAT'S THE BIG PROBLEM. AND, AND PART OF THAT, WHEN I, I WAS MENTIONING EARLIER, I THINK YOU, YOU MIGHT HAVE MISSED MY EARLIER STATEMENT IS THAT OUR GOAL IS TO IMPROVE OUR RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR MUNICIPALITIES, BUT ALSO THE PRIVATE SECTOR. AND SO CAITLIN, UM, ENDED UP ORGANIZING A SYMPOSIUM WITH DART AND ULI THAT THERE WAS SEVERAL HUNDRED PEOPLE I BELIEVE ATTENDED. AND WE'RE GONNA BEGIN DOING THOSE, I THINK BI-ANNUALLY, UM, TO MAINTAIN THOSE, UH, DIALOGUES TO HAVE LIKE, OKAY, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO BETTER? WHAT DO YOU NEED TO DO BETTER? OR WHAT DO YOU NEED TO ATTRACT MORE OF THAT DEVELOPER INTEREST? AND SO I I TAKE YOUR POINT AND I AGREE WITH IT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CORRECT. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I WASN'T ABLE TO READ THE, THE CHART WHERE YOU HAD RANKED THE VARIOUS STATIONS, UM, BECAUSE THE TYPE IS SO SMALL ON WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. COULD YOU JUST, I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM, BUT COULD YOU IDENTIFY SOME OF THE STATIONS WHERE YOU'RE SEEING THE MOST POTENTIAL FOR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AND LIKEWISE, THE STATIONS THAT YOU DON'T SEE HAVING ANY POTENTIAL WHATSOEVER? SURE. AND I'M GONNA LET CAITLIN TAKE THAT, BUT BEFORE I DO, I JUST WANNA MENTION I DO HATE WHEN I'M ON THAT SIDE OF THE HORSESHOE FOR THAT EXACT REASON OF HOW SMALL THOSE SCREENS ARE. BUT I, I DO WANT TO CALL ONE OUT. AND WHEN WE FIRST HAD, UH, I FORGET WHO, WHO, CUSHMAN WAKEFIELD, WHOEVER DID THE, THE ANALYSIS BACK IN 20 17, 20 19 WHEN THEY FIRST SORT OF ESTIMATED THE MARKET VALUE OF ALL OF OUR PROPERTY. UH, WESTMORELAND STATION WAS THE ONLY ONE SOUTH OF 30 THAT MADE OUR TOP 10. AND I THINK THAT WAS A REAL EYE-OPENING OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY. YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT GROWTH SOUTH FOR DECADES, RIGHT? BUT NOT DELIVERING IT WELL. I THINK WE HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY AS WELL TO HELP STIMULATE THAT KIND OF GROWTH IN AREAS THAT ARE NOT SEEING INVESTMENT THAT THEY NEED TO. SO WITH THAT, I JUST WANNA OPEN IT UP TO KAITLYN. SURE. UH, SO I'LL START WITH THE SITES THAT WERE UNDER AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS FIRST BECAUSE WE IDENTIFIED THOSE A FEW YEARS AGO AS HAVING GREAT POTENTIAL. THOSE WERE LAKE JUNE STATION, ROYAL LANE STATION, A HAMPTON STATION WESTMORELAND, WHICH HAS RISEN TO THE TOP OF THE LIST AGAIN, AND NATHAN CORINTH. UM, I THINK OUR INWOOD STATION HAS GREAT POTENTIAL AS WELL AS PARK LANE. UM, SO THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE REALLY FOCUSING ON. THERE'S SOME OTHER, UM, GREAT DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING, FOR EXAMPLE, AROUND MLK STATION IN CEDARS. WE JUST DART DOESN'T OWN A LOT OF PROPERTY THERE, SO THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT QUITE AS HIGH ON OUR LIST AS, UM, OF WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DEVELOP. UM, AND I I WILL SAY WHILE I'M TALKING, UM, TO EARLIER QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, REQUESTS FOR, FOR THIS BODY, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING DIRECTOR KENNEDY SAID, AND I WOULD JUST TACK ON IN THE INTERIM, WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST PATH FORWARD AND WORKING THROUGH A, A FULL ZONING REFORM, UM, WHEN WE HAVE PROJECTS THAT COME TO THIS BODY FOR REZONING, FOR EXAMPLE, WESTMORELAND IS ONE, WE ANTICIPATE HAVING TO REZONE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE DEVELOPER WHO SELECTED, UM, A A KIND EYE FROM THIS BODY AND, UM, AND A HELPFUL PARTNER IN GETTING US THROUGH THAT PROCESS WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. UM, AND I WILL ALSO SAY THAT, UM, MY, ME AND MY TEAM ARE CONSTANTLY MEETING WITH DEVELOPERS WHO ARE VERY INTERESTED IN TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT. I DO THINK, UM, DEVELOPERS ARE VERY RISK AVERSE. UM, AND SO THE RISK OF HAVING TO REZONE MAKES IT ANOTHER HURDLE, UM, TO GETTING THERE. UM, SO THEY HAVE THE GOVERNMENTAL CHALLENGES FROM, UM, NEGOTIATING WITH DART AND ALL THAT ENTAILS. AND THEN THE EXTRA LAYER OF THEN HAVING TO GO, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE LAND USE AUTHORITY, GO THROUGH ANOTHER PROCESS WITH CITY OF DALLAS. UM, SO ALTHOUGH THERE IS GREAT INTEREST AND YOU HEAR, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, DEVELOPERS LIKE JACK MATTHEWS WITH SOUTHWEST, UM, THAT HAVE IDENTIFIED THE GREAT POTENTIAL FOR TOD, UM, AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING US THERE AND GETTING THOSE WHO ARE NOT ON THE BANDWAGON TO, TO RECOGNIZE THE POTENTIAL. AND I THINK OUR EVENT THAT WE HAD LAST MARCH IN 2025, THAT WAS A, A FULL DAY TWO OD SUMMIT, UM, WE HAD ABOUT 300 ATTENDEES, WAS GREAT TO BRING TOGETHER, BUT THE PUBLIC SECTOR AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR, AND TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES, WHAT ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES, AND HOW DO WE, UM, TAKE THE HURDLES DOWN A NOTCH. COMMISSIONER REALER AND COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN AND CHAIR, IF I CAN GET IN LINE NOTED YOU'RE AFTER THEM. THANKS. [00:35:01] UM, I DID HEAR YOU MENTION THE MLK UH, STATION AND THAT THE FACT THAT YOU ALL DON'T OWN PROPERTY, QUITE A BIT OF PROPERTY AROUND THERE, BUT THERE IS A POINT A POINT SOUTH, UM, COMMITTEE, I MEAN, UM, COMMITTEE THAT IS ACTUALLY MEETING THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT SURROUND THAT, THAT IS LOOKING AT, LOOKING AT THE PLAN, THE TOD PLAN FOR THE EMLK STATION, AND HOW ARE YOU ALL INTERACTING BECAUSE THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF, OF LAND THAT IS FOR SALE AROUND THE DOOR STATION, BUT THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY AND WITH, UM, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT TO, UM, TO START THAT PROCESS ON, UM, IMPROVING THAT AREA SO THAT IT WILL BE TRANSIT ORIENTED GOING IN REBUILDING, UM, TURN DOWN EXISTING BUILDINGS SO THAT THEY CAN GET SOME DENSITY. HOW HAVE YOU ALL BEEN MEETING WITH THAT OR THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS AROUND THAT DART STATION? SO I'LL SAY WITH MLK, WE'VE LET THE CITY TAKE THE LEAD ON THAT. SO WE'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THEIR EFFORTS. WE KNOW THAT'S A HIGH PRIORITY FOR THEM. UM, BUT AS FAR AS DIRECTLY ENGAGING WITH LANDOWNERS, UM, WE'VE HAD THE ONE-OFF CONTACT BUT HAVEN'T BEEN DIRECTLY ENGAGED IN, IN THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS WITH RESPECT TO MLK AT THIS POINT. AND SO THAT'S QUITE CONCERNING BECAUSE THEY MEET EVERY, EVERY LAST THIRD, EVERY LAST MONDAY OF THE MONTH. AND EVERY PART THERE HAS BEEN PEOPLE FROM EVERY PART OF THE CITY WHO HAS BEEN ENGAGED WITH THEM. AND DART BEING THAT MAIN FACTOR AND BEING AS CLOSE TO THE FAIR PARK AND, AND THE, THE MAIN TRANSIT STATION FOR THE SOUTH DALLAS AREA, IT IS VERY CONCERNING, HAS BEEN A ONE-OFF WHEN THEY'VE BEEN MEETING FOR FIVE YEARS. AND DART IS THE, THEIR STATION IS THE CENTRAL PIECE IN THE PUZZLE FOR HOW THEY, WHAT THE NEW DEVELOPMENT AROUND AT DART STATION, AND THEY'RE FOLLOWING ON A TOD COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE MLK STATION. SO I WILL SAY POTENTIALLY OUR COMMUNITY RELATIONS GROUP HAS BEEN ATTENDING THOSE. I'M NOT SURE THAT'S, I I WOULD, I'M SPEAKING FOR MY GROUP, UM, SO I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM. UM, IF THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ATTENDING, I CAN MAKE SURE THAT, UM, OUR COMMUNITY RELATIONS TEAM STARTS, UM, PARTICIPATING IN THAT IN A VERY ACTIVE WAY. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE YOU ALL MEET WITH PATRICK AND LINDSEY, WHICH WHO IS PART OF PUT WHO IS ACTUALLY IS HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THAT AND WE CAN'T MAKE THE PLANS THAT THEY WANT TO DO IS GONNA DIRECTLY AFFECT DART BECAUSE IT'S BASED OFF OF THAT STATION AND THE IMPROVEMENT OF THAT STATION, WHICH IS AT THIS TIME ONE OF THE, THE, UH, STATIONS THAT HAVE THE MOST PROBLEMS AS FOR VIOLENCE AND, UM, CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. AND THEY'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THAT, BUT THEY NEED DART TO BE A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION. UH, GOOD MORNING AND, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION THIS MORNING. UH, I WILL SAY THAT I AM A FAN OF THE MOCKINGBIRD, UH, TOD. UH, THERE ARE VERY UNIQUE STORES THERE. UH, BUT THE ONLY WAY THAT I KNEW THAT THOSE STORES EXISTED IS BECAUSE A, A COLLEAGUE OF MINE LIVED NEARBY. SO WHAT MY QUESTION IS, UH, WHAT HAS DART DONE TO ENGAGE THE, THE RESIDENTS AND POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, CONSUMERS FOR STORES AT, AT THE TODS TO LET THEM KNOW THAT, I MEAN, THESE TODS ARE A DESTINATION, UH, FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY TO HELP SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES THERE. SO WE WON'T HAVE SUCH HIGH, UH, VACANCIES AND I MEAN, I DON'T WATCH A LOT OF TV, BUT I WILL ADMIT THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN, YOU KNOW, ANY ADVERTISING OF MARKETING OF WHAT THE TODS HAVE TO OFFER. UH, BEFORE I TURN THIS OVER TO CAITLIN, I WILL SAY THAT, AND I THINK TO, TO COMMISSIONER HOUSER'S POINT ALSO, YOU KNOW, MOCKINGBIRD STATION WAS BUILT IN THE LATE NINETIES, I THINK. AND IF I WAS TO PUT MY URBAN DESIGN LENS ON, I WOULD BE CRITIQUING, UH, HOW WELL IT WAS DESIGNED THAT IT'S NOT TERRIBLY WALKABLE, IT'S ON MULTIDI DIMENSIONS. IT FEELS LIKE A PARKING LOT WITH SOME, SOME DENSITY AROUND IT. UM, AND I THINK WE CAN DO A LOT BETTER AND WE'VE GOT DESIGN STANDARDS FOR OUR STATION AREAS, UM, TO HOPEFULLY IMPROVE UPON THAT. BUT I ALSO THINK, OR WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT, UM, WE AS A DESIGN COMMUNITY HAVE HAVE LEARNED A LOT SINCE THEN AND CAN DO BETTER TO HAVE OUR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT BE MORE, UH, ENGAGED AND INTEGRATED INTO THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT SO IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THIS INSULATED LITTLE POCKET OF DEVELOPMENT. UM, AND SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WHERE WE ALL HAVE TO JUST BE MORE, UH, DILIGENT ENSURING DESIGN QUALITY SO THAT, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT FEELS LIKE A, A REAL PLACE. UM, SO I, I THINK THAT'S OUR CHALLENGE GOING FORWARD AS WELL. BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY ON OUR DEVELOPMENTS, I THINK THAT'S USUALLY PART OF A, THE ZONING PROCESS. YES. AND, AND WHEN WE HAVE DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN CLOSE TO OUR STATIONS OR ADJACENT TO OUR STATIONS, UM, THE PRACTICE OF MY TEAM HAS BEEN, UH, WE'VE HAD JACK RASINSKI [00:40:01] LEADING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES FOR 33 YEARS, UM, TO ALWAYS BE VERY ENGAGED WITH DEVELOPERS TO TRY AND FOR ONE, TRY TO DESIGN IT IN A WAY THAT MAKES IT A WALKABLE, UM, TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT. UM, BUT THEN ALSO BE AS SUPPORTIVE AS POSSIBLE, RECOGNIZING THAT, UM, WE'VE HAD A STAFF OF ONE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT UNTIL THREE, FOUR YEARS AGO. UM, AND WITH LIMITED TIME AND RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO REALLY ENGAGE IN, IN A MORE MEANINGFUL WAY. NOW IT'S A STEP OF THREE NOW IT'S A STEP OF THREE. YES. YEAH. UH, BUT MY, MY QUESTION IS, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. I LIVE IN DISTRICT EIGHT, I'M IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE CITY. LIKE HOW WOULD I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, MOCKINGBIRD STATION HAD THE SERVICES AND THE STORES AS A DESTINATION FOR ME TO WANT TO GET ONTO THE RAIL AND GO THERE WITHOUT GETTING IN MY CAR? BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING TO DO THERE. HOW ARE YOU OR ADVERTISING THE DIFFERENT TODS AND WHAT THE TODS HAVE TO OFFER TO THE CONSUMER AND SETTING ASIDE THE, UH, ENGAGING THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF. BUT WHAT I'M ASKING IS REALLY ABOUT, UH, INFORMING THE COMMUNITY ON, UH, WHAT STORES AND RESTAURANTS AND ENTERTAINMENT, UH, THAT, UH, WILL BE ENCOMPASSED IN THE TDS MORE OF A, THE COMMUNICATION STRATEGY. UH, SO I THINK WE'VE HAD A LOT OF MISSED OPPORTUNITY THERE OVER THE YEARS. UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR NEW COMMUNICATIONS TEAM IS, IS FOCUSED ON. AND SO WE JUST HAD A MEETING THIS WEEK TO TALK ABOUT AN OVERALL COMMUNICATION STRATEGY, THAT BEING PART OF IT, OF HOW DO WE REALLY CAPITALIZE ON TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING? UM, LET PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT, UM, AND MAKE, I MEAN, THAT'S THE, THE THING ABOUT OUR SYSTEM, YOU'VE GOTTA MAKE IT CONVENIENT AND, UM, AND A REASON TO RIDE IT. UM, AND SO THAT'S PART OF, UH, THAT COMMUNICATIONS EFFORT. SO I KNOW OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM NOW IS LASER FOCUSED ON THAT, AND WE'RE PARTNERING WITH THEM ON THAT. AND I THINK YOU RAISE A, A GREAT POINT, COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, SOMETHING THAT I HAVEN'T EVEN THOUGHT OF UNTIL JUST NOW WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU RAISE IT, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GET SOMETHING BUILT, WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, THERE IT GOES. WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. NOW LET'S FOCUS ON THE NEXT THING WHERE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MARKETING HERE, AND THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT MY EXPERTISE, BUT I THINK THERE'S A REAL OPPORTUNITY TO THEN SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WE DO FROM A MARKETING PERSPECTIVE TO WORK WITH OUR PAST PARTNERS THAT HAVE BUILT SOMETHING TO SAY, HEY, RIDE THE RAIL TO THIS, THIS AND THIS. YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING. AND I THINK WE CAN BE A LOT BETTER AT THAT. COMMISSIONER HERBERT, THANK COMMISSIONER SERATO, COMMISSIONER CO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHAIR. THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE PRESENTATION AND FOR, UM, SHOWING UP TODAY. UM, YOU MAY KNOW OR MAY NOT KNOW, WE WORKED, UM, WITH A GROUP OF YOU GUYS TO GET ZONING CHANGED AROUND THE WESTMORELAND STATION. UM, HAD A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS, A LOT OF, UM, MY COUNTERPARTS MET WITH YOU ALL TO MAKE SURE IT WAS A NICE DEVELOPMENT. UM, AND THEN IT FELL SHORT ON, ON ITS ITS WAY, AND I THINK YOU SAID YOU HAD TROUBLE FINDING, UM, UH, GETTING IT PURCHASED BY THE CITY OR YOUR SIDE OR STUFF LIKE THAT. UM, WHAT IS THAT SOMETHING YOU GUYS ARE IMPROVING ON? UM, AND WE ALSO HAVE THE KEY STATION. THERE WAS PLANS AROUND THERE AND, UM, THESE ARE ALL PLANS I'M NOT HEARING ABOUT ANYMORE. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, AS YOU MENTIONED, THE SOUTHERN SECTOR WHO HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY, UH, MARGINALIZED AND, AND KIND OF FORGOTTEN IN IN THIS TRANSPORTATION SECTOR, UM, THAT, THAT WE HAVE A CLEAR, UNDER A CLEAR GUIDE GOING FORWARD ON HOW TO ENHANCE THESE, THESE, UM, LARGE SLOTS OF LAND THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, ABANDONED, UM, WITH LOW PARKING. UM, THEY'VE EVEN BEEN OTHER BUILDINGS PURCHASED NEXT TO THESE SITES THAT ARE NOW ABANDONED AND NOT BEING TAKEN CARE OF. UM, SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF, IF THAT'S IN THE FOREFRONT AND HOW WE CAN MOVE THE SITES THAT HAVE BEEN ZONED, LIKE THE WESTMORELAND STATION, UH, FORWARD. I THINK YOU RAISED SOME GREAT POINTS. UM, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, STEP ONE, IT'S GONNA BE ONE STEP AT A TIME WOULD BE WESTMORELAND AND TRY AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO THERE AND REALLY TRANSFORM THAT, WHICH IS A GREAT AREA AND HAS A LOT OF, UM, POTENTIAL FOR SOME AMAZING TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT. UM, KEY IS ON OUR LIST OF, OF SITES AS HAVING A STRONG POTENTIAL AS WELL. UM, WE ARE TRYING TO ADVANCE ALL OF OUR PROPERTIES, UM, WITH AN, UH, A, A FOCUS ON THE SOUTHERN SEGMENT AS WELL. UM, ACKNOWLEDGING, YOU KNOW, WE NEED MORE HOUSING IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. UM, WE NEED TO, UH, WE HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITIES THERE WITH OUR SITES. UH, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME AND RESOURCES, UM, TO MOVE AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN. YEAH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST ON, ON WESTMORELAND AS I PROBABLY SHOULD BE, BUT YOU KNOW, I'VE IDENTIFIED THAT AS WELL AS ONCE IT, YOU KNOW, POPPED UP IN OUR MARKET VALUE ANALYSIS AS ONE OF THE TOP 10 PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE. AND I THINK WE HAVE 14 ACRES OR SOMETHING. I EVEN INCLUDED IT WITH MY SMU STUDENTS AS A, AS A FINAL PROJECT TO PROPOSE REDEVELOPING NOT ONLY THE ACREAGE THAT DART HAS, BUT [00:45:01] ALSO THE 74 ACRES OF INDUSTRIAL NEXT TO IT THAT HAPPENS TO HAVE, UH, I THINK THERE'S A RAIL TO TRAIL THAT WOULD EXTEND TO IT. YOU'RE NEXT TO, YOU KNOW, THE NATURE PRESERVE, YOU'RE NEXT TO KEITH PARK, IT'S ALL THESE LIKE, GREAT THINGS NEARBY. UM, AND SO IT COULD, IN MY MIND, WESTMORELAND HAS SUCH AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE, UH, LIKE THE MINI DOWNTOWN FOR SOUTHWEST DALLAS. AND I THINK WITH US HAVING SO MUCH LAND RIGHT ON THAT STATION WHERE YOU'RE A 20 MINUTE RIDE TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND JOBS IN DOWNTOWN, A 20 MINUTE BUS RIDE ON ONE OF OUR BEST CORRIDORS UP WESTMORELAND TO THE MEDICAL DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT HAS A REAL OPPORTUNITY TO BE AN ANCHOR AND A GROWTH OPPORTUNITY FOR THE SOUTHERN SECTOR. AND, AND THAT MEANS THAT, THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE A, A LEADER IN HELPING THAT HAPPEN. THE HOPE AND THE EXPECTATION IS THAT WE, IF WE DO PROJECTS WELL, WE DO OUR JOBS WELL, THEN IT'S A CATALYST FOR MORE DEVELOPMENT. IF A DEVELOPER SEES A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT THAT'S TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT THAT MOBILIZES OTHER DEVELOPERS TO COPY. UM, SO THE HOPE IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING SOME MOMENTUM AND IT WILL ONLY GROW WITH TIME AND, AND GOOD WORK. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, AGAIN, UH, TRY TO FIND THAT WESTMORELAND PLAN. WE HAD, UM, A, A DAYCARE CENTER THERE, SOME OTHER RETAIL SPACE THERE, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEXES. WE WORKED OUT VERY CLEAR DETAILS. UM, IT WAS SHOCKING TO SEE THE BUCKNER STATION GO FIRST, UM, BECAUSE OF ALL THE WORK WE ALL HAD PUT INTO THIS PROJECT. SO, UM, IF YOU CAN DUST OFF THAT PROJECT, IT SHOULDN'T BE TWO YEARS OLD. I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE THAT LONG, BUT, UM, WE'D APPRECIATE IT. UM, BUT THANK YOU GUYS FOR, FOR ATTENTION TO THAT MATTER AND, UM, WE'LL BE EXCITED TO HEAR MORE ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING ON THE SOUTHERN SECTOR. GREAT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HER OR VICE CHAIR HERBERT, JUST SO WE KNOW, I THINK WE'RE GONNA TRY AND STOP AROUND 10 JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA, UH, TODAY THAT WE NEED TO COVER AT THE BRIEFING. UM, COMMISSIONER SERATO. HI. UM, SO I, I KNOW WE'RE BEATING MOCKINGBIRD, UH, STATION UP A LITTLE BIT HERE, BUT I, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN MOCKINGBIRD STATION, UM, IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS. I WAS A STUDENT AT SMU AND I WORKED A RETAIL JOB THERE. UM, MY HUSBAND TOOK THE DART RAIL FROM, WE TOOK A BUS TO MOCKINGBIRD STATION ALL THE WAY UP TO RICHARDSON 'CAUSE HE WENT TO UTD. SO WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AT MOCKINGBIRD STATION. UM, AND SO I THINK THERE'S A BIT OF A DISCONNECT, UM, BETWEEN WHAT'S BEING OFFERED THERE AND WHAT YOUR REAL AUDIENCE IS, RIGHT? LIKE WHO IS THE AUDIENCE OF THESE LOCATIONS, THESE DART STATIONS, RIGHT? ARE YOU MORE FOCUSED ON THE RIDERS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE DART RAIL AND DART BUSES OR ARE YOU FOCUSED ON THE IMMEDIATE COMMUNITY AROUND THERE? BECAUSE MOCKINGBIRD STATION DID NOT CATER ANY OF THEIR BUSINESSES EVEN CURRENTLY TO WHO THE RIDER ARE, RIGHT? I'M NOT GONNA WALK UP THE STAIRS, WALK DOWN THE STAIRS TO GO TO STARBUCKS OR TO GO TO WHAT, WHAT'S THAT RESTAURANT THERE CALLED THE FINCH OR WHATEVER. LIKE, IT'S NOT CA THAT MOCKINGBIRD STATION IS CATERED FOR THE LOFTS THAT ARE THERE AND THE SMU COMMUNITY THAT'S, THAT'S IMMEDIATELY AROUND THERE. SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING TO BE MY, I THINK A LITTLE BIT WHAT, UM, COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN WAS MENTIONING IS LIKE, CONSIDER YOUR MARKETING, BUT ALSO CONSIDER YOUR AUDIENCE. LIKE WHO ARE YOU MORE FOCUSED ON? ARE YOU FOCUSED ON RIDERS GOING THERE? AND RIDERS ARE VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE IMMEDIATE COMMUNITY, DEPENDING ON WHERE THE STATION IS. SO I'M IN PLEASANT GROVE, THE BUCKNER STATION'S PRETTY IMPORTANT TO ME. THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, RIGHT? THE PEOPLE IN PLEASANT GROVE THAT ARE GOING TO THE, TO THE DART STATION THAT YOU WANT GOING THERE, THAT YOU WANT TO INCREASE, UM, RIDERSHIP ARE VERY DIFFERENT FROM PERHAPS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE INTERESTS IN BUILDING THERE, RIGHT? SO I I THINK THERE, THERE MAY BE A DISCONNECT THERE AND UNDERSTANDING LIKE THERE, THERE'S TWO VERY DIFFERENT AUDIENCES AT ALL OF THESE STATIONS AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, MAYBE IT WAS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT CONNECTION, BUT THINKING ABOUT YOUR MARKETING, LIKE WHAT'S MAKING SOMEONE GO THERE? UM, YOU KNOW, IF I AM A RESIDENT OF, UH, OLD EAST DALLAS AND I AM TAKING A BUS AND A TRAIN UP TO NORTH DALLAS 'CAUSE I HAVE A HOUSE TO CLEAN UP THERE, YOU KNOW, THE FINCH AT MOCKINGBIRD STATION IS NOT WHAT'S DRAWING ME TO GO THERE. YOU KNOW, I I I DON'T KNOW IF I'M MAKING SENSE, BUT, UM, I I THINK IT'S, IT'S WORTH IT TO CONSIDER LIKE TALKING TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT FREQUENT THAT STATION OR THAT WILL FREQUENT THAT STATION FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT REASONS, UM, AND PERHAPS LEADING THEM MORE SUCCESS IN THAT WAY. SO JUST, JUST A THOUGHT. I THINK YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT INVOLVED OBVIOUSLY IN LIKE THE LEASING OR THE, THE MANAGEMENT OF, OF PROPERTIES ONCE THEY BECOME PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, BUT TO ME I THINK THAT'S A, A BIGGER STORY ABOUT TRANSIT AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE WAY THE CITY HAS EVOLVED OVER THE LAST 70 YEARS IN THAT WE'RE TREMENDOUSLY CAR DEPENDENT AND THAT IN MY MIND THAT WE'RE NOT A SUCCESSFUL, UH, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE A SUCCESSFUL THRIVING CITY UNTIL ALL PEOPLE HAVE, UH, USEFUL CHOICE IN HOW THEY GET AROUND AND THAT ALL PEOPLE, UH, WANTS TO TAKE TRANSIT AND FIND USE IN TAKING TRANSIT. [00:50:01] AND, UH, WE CAN'T DO THAT ON OUR OWN JUST BY, YOU KNOW, OPERATING BUSES AND TRAINS IN A LOW DENSITY CITY WHERE OUR AVERAGE DENSITY IS UNDER 4,000 PER SQUARE MILE AND UNIVERSITY PARK IS 6,000 PER SQUARE MILE IN THE HIGHEST DENSITY IN THE METROPLEX. SO, I MEAN, TO ME, I THINK IT'S TO GET RIDERSHIP TO GET USEFUL TRANSIT, WE HAVE TO DELIVER DENSITY AND, AND THAT I GUESS IS MY WAY OF TYING IT BACK TO, UH, HAVING A DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT IS UP TO THE STANDARD THAT WE NEED IT TO BE IN, IN PART OF THE 21ST CENTURY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER COX. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I WON'T ASK YOU A LOT OF QUESTIONS. I DO HAVE A COMMENT. TOTALLY AGREE WITH MR. RADO AND MR. FRANKLIN, OUR COMMISSIONER, UH, REGARDING A BETTER JOB OF MARKETING AND, AND GETTING THE WORD OUT REGARDING WHAT'S AVAILABLE IN THESE DIFFERENT STATIONS. YOU MIGHT THINK OF SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS, UH, THE DIGITAL KIOSK, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE DIFFERENT STATIONS TELLING RIDERSHIP WHAT'S, WHAT'S AVAILABLE ON THAT LINE AND, AND IN PROXIMITY TO THOSE STATIONS. UM, NEXT I HAVE A REQUEST, UH, IF POSSIBLE, I THINK YOU'VE GOT A STACK OF DOCUMENTS IN FRONT OF YOU. IF WE COULD GET COPIES OF THE PRESENTATIONS, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. WE'RE LOOKING AT LITTLE EIGHT BY EIGHT SCREENS HERE AND QUITE FRANKLY, MY OR OLD CAN'T SEE IT. I SURE AS HECK CAN'T SEE THE MONITOR, SO IF HE COULD DO THAT, WOULD APPRECIATE IT. COMMISSIONER HALL, UH, WE DO SHOP AT THE KROGER THERE AT MOCKINGBIRD STATION, SO WE'RE, UH, EVERY WEEK WE'RE, UH, INTERESTED IN SEEING THE PROGRESS OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON THERE. UM, IS THAT BEING DEVELOPED WITH JOINT PRIVATE AND PUBLIC FUNDING RIGHT NOW? YES. AND IS THERE GONNA BE A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT TO THAT? YES, THAT'S WHAT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED RIGHT NOW. UM, AND WHEN YOU CAN SEE IT BETTER, THERE'S, UM, A SEGMENT THAT'S MULTIFAMILY IS GOING IN RIGHT NOW AND THEN, UM, CLOSER TO THE STATION WHERE THERE'S A BIG HOLE RIGHT NOW. THAT'S WHERE THE GARAGE IS GONNA BE. OKAY. YEAH, IT'S, THE HOLE KEEPS GETTING DEEPER. , UH, THERE'S ALREADY QUITE A BIT OF RESIDENTIAL THERE THOUGH. THERE'S A MID-RISE AND THERE'S A HIGH RISE AND, AND OTHER THINGS. UH, BUT SO I ASSUME IF YOU'RE DEVELOPING MORE MULTI-FAMILY, YOU THINK THERE'S A MARKET MARKET THERE FOR THAT? WE DO. AND TRAMELL CROW FEELS CONFIDENT THAT, UH, THEY WON'T HAVE ANY TROUBLE LEASING IT UP. UH, THERE IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, FROM THE SMU AREA AND, AND, AND HOTELS THAT ARE JUST RIGHT UP THE ROAD AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I HOPE SO. I'D LIKE TO SEE IT BE SUCCESSFUL. I HAVE TO ADMIT, WE NEVER THINK ABOUT GOING TO MOCKINGBIRD STATION TO EAT OUT. WE GO TO GREENVILLE . SO I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A, IT IS A MARKETING ISSUE. WE JUST OCCASIONALLY WE MIGHT GO TO THE ANGELICA THERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT UM, YEAH, AS FAR AS A PLACE TO GO, IT'S JUST NOT ON OUR RADAR SCREEN. AND I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE WE JUST, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE THERE ALL THE TIME, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT'S THERE. SO MARKETING, UH, WOULD CERTAINLY BE HELPFUL. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO ECHO A LOT OF THE COMMENTS OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, BUT ONE, UM, OPPORTUNITY THAT I THINK PERHAPS YOU'VE IDENTIFIED IN SOME OTHER AREAS, BUT FOR INSTANCE, THE MEDICAL DISTRICT, UM, THERE'S A DART STOP IN VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY. THEY'VE JUST COMPLETED, OR UPDATED, I SHOULD SAY, THEIR MASTER PLAN OR LOOKING AT HOW THEY ADD HOUSING, HOW THEY CONTINUE TO GROW. IT SEEMS LIKE SOME OF THOSE, UM, ARE YES, I HAVEN'T HEARD REALLY HOW YOU'RE EXPANDING THAT OUTREACH TO SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS I CAN THINK OF BACHMAN LAKE, UM, THAT IS, YOU KNOW, HAS A LOT OF, UM, OPPORTUNITY, UH, FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT AS THEY'RE LOOKING AHEAD TO THE FUTURE. I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ALL KNOW THE, UM, OPPORTUNITIES IN OUR DISTRICT AND WOULD LOVE TO CONTINUE THIS DIALOGUE TO HELP MAKE SURE WE'RE, UM, GIVING YOU INFORMATION AND SUPPORT WHERE WE SEE IF THINGS COMING, UM, WHERE THERE MIGHT BE, UM, STRONGER OPPORTUNITIES FOR PARTNERSHIP. SO LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THAT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANKS. I WILL HOP IN HERE. I HAVE THREE QUESTION SLASH COMMENTS. ONE, UM, EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT WHEN YOU'RE IN, WHEN DART'S IN CONVERSATIONS WITH DEVELOPERS, THE UPCOMING, YOU KNOW, ZONING PIECE DOWN THE ROAD IS SOMETIMES SOMETHING THAT MAKES DEVELOPERS SORT OF HESITANT TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE THE, YOU KNOW, CONTINGENCIES AND UNCERTAINTIES. I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF, BUT I I HOPE THAT MY COLLEAGUES WOULD ALL AGREE. PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO, YOU KNOW, INVOLVE US AT THOSE EARLY STAGES. IF THERE ARE SIGN ZONING QUESTIONS THAT OUR, YOU KNOW, BOSSES ON CITY COUNCIL, WE CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT ANY ZONING CASE WILL PASS. BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, GET INVOLVED AND PROVIDE OUR WISDOM ON THAT PROCESS. AND I IMAGINE FOLKS ON THE CITY STAFF SIDE ARE AS WELL. UM, [00:55:05] CAN THEY, CAN I GET THROUGH MY QUESTIONS AND THEN THEY CAN CHAT? OKAY, THANKS. UM, SECOND, UM, I THINK MR. KENNEDY, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE TOD MASTER PLANNING DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAPPEN WHEN IT SHOULD HAVE IN THE NINETIES. ARE THERE PLANNING EFFORTS AROUND TODS, LIKE A MASTER PLANS IN THE WORKS FOR ANY OF THESE AREAS? ARE WE SORT OF, WHERE DOES, WHERE DOES ALL THAT STAND? SO TRADITIONALLY THE PLANNING EFFORTS, WE'VE UH, DEFERRED TO CITY STAFF TO PUT THOSE TOGETHER AS THE LAND USE AUTHORITY. AND SO WE RELY ON THEM. WE'VE ALWAYS HAD A VERY COLLABORATIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH CITY STAFF MEMBERS, UM, AND THEY'VE SOUGHT OUR INPUT AND WE'VE BEEN VERY HAPPY TO BE ENGAGED IN THAT. UM, BUT THUS FAR THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY BEEN AN EFFORT LED BY CITY STAFF. YEAH. AND MY SENSE IS THAT IT'S TURNED INTO KIND OF A PROJECT BY PROJECT AD HOC BASIS RATHER THAN SORT OF PLANNING TOD DISTRICTS AROUND THE AREA AND DOING IT SORT OF PIECEMEAL ONE BY ONE REALLY DOESN'T SCALE, I THINK, TO THE, THE DEGREE THAT WE NEED IT TO. OKAY. WELL THAT'S DEFINITELY A DISCUSSION THAT'S WORTH CONTINUING TO HAVE. WHAT DO WE DO IN TERMS OF LARGER PLANNING EFFORTS, ALSO CONSIDERING THE RESOURCES THAT THE CITY HAS AND ALL THE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE FOR PLANNING ACROSS THE CITY. UM, THE LAST THING THAT I SORT OF WANTED TO HONE IN ON WAS A FOLLOW UP TO SORT OF THE DISCUSSION AROUND COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S EARLIEST QUESTION ABOUT WHAT DO WE DO WITH OUR CODE REWRITE VERSUS INDIVIDUAL REZONINGS AND ALL OF THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THAT NECESSARILY HAS AN ANSWER TODAY. UM, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S TALKING ABOUT THE LARGER AREA AROUND THE TRANSIT STATIONS WITH LIKE A QUARTER MILE, HALF MILE, ET CETERA. WHETHER AN OVERLAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT MAKES SENSE, BUT IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY OF THOSE TRANSIT STATIONS, I THINK FOR ME THERE'S A QUESTION IF THERE IS SOME SORT OF ONE SIZE FITS ALL OR MAYBE TWO SIZE FITS ALL BECAUSE YOU, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFIED HIGHLY DEVELOPABLE, MEDIUM DEVELOPABLE CATEGORIES, ZONING DISTRICTS, OR SORT OF EVEN A STOCK PD THAT WE START WITH FOR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT TO REALLY FACILITATE THAT. AS WE'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, WE SAW THAT PROPERTY AROUND WALNUT HILL COME THROUGH HERE A COUPLE YEARS AGO, WHICH IS RIGHT BY THAT STATION, AND IT WAS A LONG EFFORT ON THAT PD THAT I DON'T KNOW IF ALL OF THAT HARDCORE DETAILED PLANNING WORK WAS REALLY NECESSARY TO GET A GOOD AND APPROPRIATE PRODUCT IN THE AREA. SO, SO FIGURING OUT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH CODE REWRITE OR EVEN COMING IN EARLIER WITH SORT OF A STOCK, UM, PD OR EVEN A ZONING TOD ZONING DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THOUGHTS AND JUST HAVE DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT MOVING FORWARD. I MEAN, THIS LAST TIME WE HAD A JOINT BOARD AND COUNCIL MEETING, THIS SAME DISCUSSION CAME UP WITH, UM, WITH COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKMAN AND THAT I MENTIONED THIS, THAT WE WERE SORT OF STUCK IN THIS, UM, NETHERWORLD WITHOUT HAVING A CLEAR PATH OF WHAT TO DO QUITE YET BECAUSE OF ALL THE VARIOUS SORT OF MOVING PARTS. BUT I DO THINK WE HAVE TO COME TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH A, THE BEST STRATEGY FOR US, UM, MOVING FORWARD. SO IT ISN'T THIS SORT OF AD HOC, UH, APPROACH. AND, AND THAT GETS ME BACK TO SORT OF THE CODE REWRITE THAT I THINK WHEN WE START DOING THEM SORT OF ONE BY ONE, WE END UP LOST IN THE DETAILS OF, OF THAT RATHER THAN SAYING BIG PICTURE, ALLOW GOOD QUALITY DEVELOPMENT AND GET OUT BAD QUALITY DEVELOPMENT. AND TO ME, I THINK WE NEED A, A MUCH HIGHER DEGREE OF FLEXIBILITY TO ALLOW THE GOOD TO HAPPEN. WELL, LET'S KEEP THAT CONVERSATION GOING. COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DID YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP OR DID YOU JUST NEED THEM TO CONNECT WITH MR. BLADES? YEAH, BECAUSE OURS, WE HAVE A TOD PLAN AND, AND I, I, I ACTUALLY SENT RANDALL, I MEAN, UH, PRESIDENT, UH, BRIAN A MESSAGE, BUT PATRICK AND LINDSAY, PATRICK HAD TO GO TO A MEETING, BUT DEFINITELY WANTED TO GET THEM IN THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE YOU HAVE PEOPLE READY TO GO AND DART'S SAYING THAT THEY'RE NOT A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION. SO HE'S, HE JUST HAD TO RUN OUT, BUT HE WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY, HE'S IN, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MILLS ON THE FIRST FLOOR, LET'S MAKE SURE BEFORE THEY LEAVE TODAY THAT THEY GET MR. BLADE'S CONTACT INFORMATION OR MS. JACKSON'S CONTACT INFORMATION SO WE CAN BE SURE THAT THE APPROPRIATE FOLKS AT DART CONNECT WITH THE APPROPRIATE FOLKS IN PLANNING BECAUSE THERE'S 40 PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE REALLY WORKING IN THAT SADDEN. OKAY. OKAY. UH, WE'VE HIT 10 0 2. ARE THERE ANY FINAL BRIEF QUESTIONS? I KNOW THAT, UH, MR. KENNEDY AND MS. HOLLAND HAVE BEEN VERY GENEROUS, BUT THEIR TIME, AND THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT THE LAST TIME THAT I'M SURE WE'LL BE TALKING WITH THEM, YOU KNOW, AT THE HORSESHOE OR YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF THE HORSESHOE. BUT, UM, ANYTHING ELSE? I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU GUYS, UM, SO MUCH FOR, FOR SHARING THIS WITH US. THIS WAS A REALLY ILLUMINATING, HELPFUL, UM, BRIEFING AND LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH [01:00:01] YOU AND PLEASE SEND OUR REGARDS FOR CHAIR BRYANT AND REALLY APPRECIATE HIS INSTRUMENTAL ROLE IN GETTING Y'ALL HERE TODAY. ALRIGHT, IT IS 10:02 AM WHY DON'T WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK BEFORE WE, UM, GET INTO OUR CASE BRIEFING. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, IT IS 10:09 AM AND WE WILL GET INTO BRIEFING OUR CASES. OKAY, LET'S GET INTO OUR BRIEFING. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DID YOU NEED THE MISCELLANEOUS ITEM BRIEFED? OKAY, MS. BLUE. OH, NO, NO, YOU'RE GOOD. I JUST, WE WERE TIGHT ON TIME, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT GOOD MORNING CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS AND MS. BLUE, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY JUST QUESTIONS FOR ME, UNLESS OTHER COMMISSIONERS NEED TO HAVE IT BRIEFED. UM, SO THE LANGUAGE WITHIN PD THREE 17, UM, ON OUR PRIMARY STREETS HAS A MINMAX SETBACK. AND SO THE REQUEST BEFORE US IS RECOGNIZED. WE HAVE A NEW REGULARLY SHAPED LOT. THEY HAVE VISIBILITY TRIANGLES, THEY HAVE OTHER, UM, IMPEDIMENTS TO THE DEVELOPMENT. UM, IS IT, ARE, ARE THESE TWO DIFFERENT SITES OR IS IT ONE SITE? SO TO CLARIFY, THE DEVELOPMENT IS ON TWO DIFFERENT, UH, SITES. SO THERE'S LOT 18 AND 17 AND 18. AND SO IT CAME IN AS A REQUEST WITH ONE BECAUSE THEY'RE DEVELOPING TOGETHER, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A SHARED ACCESS. UM, AND SO IT'S ACTUALLY TWO DIFFERENT, UM, LOTS. SO TO CLARIFY ABOUT THE EXCEPTION OR VARIANCE, UM, ONE OF THE LOTS, THE ONE TO THE NORTH, I THINK IT'S AT 19 FEET, THE FRONTAGE WAS IN THE, WITHIN THE MEN MAX AND THE LOT IS 50, SO IT MIGHT BE BETWEEN 30 TO 40, MEANING 30 40. BUT THE ONE TO THE SOUTH, THERE'S A VISIBILITY TRIANGLE. AND SO THAT ONE IS NOT MEETING, UM, THE MEN MAX AT ALL. AND SO FOR THE VARIANCE, WE DECIDED TO GO WITH 0% FOR THEM TO PROVIDE ZERO BECAUSE IF WE DECIDE TO DO ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT, THEN THE LOT TO THE SOUTH WOULDN'T MEET, UM, THE MEN MAX, UH, VARIANCE AT, UH, PERMITTING. AND, AND SO THAT'S WHAT LED TO THE ZERO AND GOING FROM 70 TO ZERO, IT'S OBVIOUSLY A BIG SWING, BUT IT HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT THE ONE LOT REALLY JUST BECAUSE OF THE STREET GEOMETRY AND THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE CAN'T MEET ANY REQUIREMENT. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, REGARDING THE, UM, AND THIS WAS A QUESTION I ASKED OF MR. NAVAREZ. I THINK YOU WERE ON THE EMAIL STRING, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT, SIDEWALK, STREET BUFFERS, THOSE ALL GET REVIEWED AT PERMITTING EVEN THOUGH THE SITE PLAN IS BEFORE US AND SHOWS THOSE, THAT'S NOT FOR THIS BODY TO CONSIDER. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. SO THE ONLY THING THE BODY IS LOOKING AT TODAY IS THE PLACEMENT OF THE BUILDING, UH, CONFIGURATION OF THE LOT, UH, THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE THAT'S, UH, CAUSING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SITE CONSTRAINTS IS CAUSING THE BUILDING NOT TO BE PLACED IN THE MEN MAX. UM, SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING THE BODY IS LOOKING AT TODAY. ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S ON THE PLAN? I DID PUT A NOTE ON THE PLAN THAT SAYS THAT THAT'S GONNA BE HANDLED AT PERMITTING AND THE SITE PLAN IS ONLY FOR THE STREET FRONTAGE RELIEF, UM, REQUIREMENT PER THE SECTION IN THE CODE. OKAY. AND THEN ONE FINAL QUESTION ON THAT, UM, I KNOW WE'RE SHOWING TWO BUILDINGS, THERE'S A GRAPHIC INDICATION OF WHETHER IT'S A SCREEN WALL INTENDED TO BE PART OF THE FACADE, IT'S NOT DESIGNATED, UM, ON THE PLAN. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IF IT DOES RELATE TO THE BUILDING FRONTAGE, UM, IN ITS CALCULATION COULD BE INCLUDED OR? I I MEAN, I I THINK WE HAD A DISCUSSION THAT FENCES AREN'T SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD PUT IN HERE BECAUSE IT'S COMPLETELY SEPARATE, BUT IF IT WAS PART OF THE FACADE, UM, IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO CHECK THE LANGUAGE? NO, I THINK THE, THE LANGUAGE ACTUALLY SAYS [01:05:01] BUILDING FACADE. SO SINCE THERE'S NO BUILDING CONNECT TO THE, THESE, UH, MASONRY, UH, WALLS OR FENCES, I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD COMPLY WITH THE CODE AS MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE 70%. SO IT HAS TO BE THE ACTUAL BUILDING WITHIN THE MEN. MAXAM. THANK YOU. YES MA'AM. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU MS. BLUE COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA THEN. UM, SEVERAL ITEMS HAVE COME OFF, TWO IS OFF, THREE IS OFF, FOUR IS OFF AND WILL BE HELD. I'M GONNA ASK FOR EVERYTHING TO COME OFF EXCEPT FOR THESE. OKAY, SO, UH, FIVE IS OFF. OH, FIVE IS OFF. UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S REQUESTED FOR A FEW ITEMS TO COME OFF. SO FIVE IS OFF, UM, SIX IS STILL ON, SEVEN IS OFF, EIGHT IS OFF, NINE IS OFF AND IS BEING HELD, 10 IS STILL ON, 11 IS OFF AND IS BEING HELD. 12 IS OFF, 13 IS OFF, 14 IS STILL ON, 15 IS OFF AND IS BEING HELD, 16 IS STILL ON, 17 IS OFF, IS 18 COMING OFF, 18 IS OFF, 19 OFF, 20 OFF, 21 OFF, 22 OFF. AND BEING HELD 23 IS COMING OFF, 24 IS STILL ON, 25 HAS COME OFF AND IS BEING HELD. SO I'M SORRY, FIVE CAN STAY ON. OH FIVE CAN STAY ON. SORRY. OKAY, I MISREAD MY NOTES. SO THAT LEAVES OUR, UM, CONSENT AGENDA RIGHT NOW AS ITEMS 5, 6, 10, 14, 16, AND 24. UNLESS SOMEONE HAS, UM, ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT THEY'D LIKE TO REMOVE FROM OUR CONSENT AGENDA, MAY I SIMPLY ASK YOU TO REREAD THOSE NUMBERS? YES. THE ONLY ITEMS ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA ARE 5, 6, 10, 14, 16, AND 24, MEANING THAT THE OTHER ITEMS BETWEEN TWO AND 25 WILL BE CONSIDERED INDIVIDUALLY AND NOT TAKEN UP IN A SINGLE MOTION. SO THEY'LL STILL BE CONSIDERED, BUT ITEMS 5, 6, 10, 14, 16, AND 24 WILL BE TAKEN UP IN A SINGLE MOTION AND CONSIDERED 13 CAN STAY ON. WHICH ONE IS IT? IS 13 STILL ON? UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER ASKED FOR THAT TO BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT. OH, OKAY. I GOT YOU. GOTCHA. OKAY, THEN WE WILL GET INTO BRIEFING CASES ON OUR CONSENT DOCKET. UH, COMMISSIONER SERATO, DO WE NEED NUMBER TWO BRIEFED? UM, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO WE NEED NUMBER THREE? BRIEFED? ASK A QUESTION ABOUT TWO, PLEASE. AND, UH, ON NUMBER TWO. MM-HMM . UH, MR. GREGORY, GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. HI, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. DID YES, MA'AM. DO THE SEP CONDITIONS NEED TO SPECIFY THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THIS, THIS, UH, STRIP SHOPPING CENTER THAT ARE, THAT THIS SEP WILL PERTAIN TO? LET ME PULL THE CONDITIONS UP. UM, BECAUSE IT'S ONE SUITE, I DON'T BELIEVE, AND MICHAEL, YOU MAY NEED TO SPECIFY THEY ONLY SPECIFIED THE USE AND THAT IT'S OVER 3,500 SQUARE FEET. BUT, BUT COULD THAT BE INTERPRETED AS APPLYING TO THE ENTIRE BUILDING? I WILL SAY THAT THE SITE PLAN ALSO LIMITS IT TO A, A SUITE OR A GENERAL AREA OF THE MM-HMM . OF THE, UM, COMPLEX. BUT IF THE SITE CONDITIONS DON'T SPECIFY, COULD ANOTHER SITE PLAN POTENT? POTENTIALLY? UH, I THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO GO INTO THE REVIEW BASED ON THE MINOR CRITERIA. DIDN'T THINK OF THAT, BUT YOU, YOU COULD ADD A, IS IT 3,700 SQUARE FEET? YOU COULD DO THAT? YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE. UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DID YOU NEED THAT BRIEFED? UM, AND I KNOW COMMISSIONER KINGSTON DOES HAVE A CONFLICT, SO SHE'LL NEED TO STEP OUT IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR BRIEFING ON ITEM THREE. RIGHT? ARE YOU, IS WE'RE, I DON'T THINK WE'RE BRIEFING IT. SO YOU'RE GOOD [01:10:01] TO STAY. OKAY. ITEM FOUR IS GOING TO BE HELD, UM, UNTIL MARCH. AND THAT'S COMMISSIONER FOR, SO I DON'T THINK WE'LL BRIEF THAT TODAY. ITEM FIVE, DOES THAT NEED TO BE BRIEFED? THAT'S JURORS COMMISSIONER HALL, UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS A QUESTION? NO. OKAY, GREAT. UM, ITEM SIX, COMMISSIONER WHEELER. REAGAN, WOULD YOU LIKE THAT ONE? BRIEFED? OKAY. ITEM SEVEN, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, WOULD YOU LIKE THAT ONE BRIEFED TO WALGREENS? NO. UH, NO. IT'S GONNA BE HELD. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE A DATE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE HELD TO? YEAH, I'M GONNA HOLD, UM, SORRY, I'M GONNA HOLD IT TO THE SECOND DATE. MARCH. OKAY. SECOND DATE? THE SECOND, SECOND MARCH. IS THAT THE 19TH OR THE 20TH? 25TH. OH, SORRY. 26TH. 3 26. OKAY. MARCH 26TH. MARCH 26TH. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, NUMBER EIGHT IS, DOES THAT ONE NEED TO BE BRIEFED, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? NO, IT DOESN'T. OKAY. AND THAT IS OFF CONSENT THOUGH, CORRECT? IT'S OFF CONSENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, NUMBER NINE IS GOING TO BE HELD AND THAT'S COMMISSIONER FORESE DISTRICT. SO I DON'T THINK WE'LL BRIEF THAT. NUMBER 10. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, I DON'T NEED, I DON'T NEED IT BRIEFED. ANYONE ELSE NEED 10 BRIEFED? OKAY, NUMBER 11, COMMISSIONER SIMS, THAT'S GOING TO BE HELD CORRECT UNTIL, YES, UNTIL MARCH 5TH. MR. CHAIR? THREE, FIVE. OKAY. WHAT, ANY NEED TO BRIEF THAT SINCE WE'RE HOLDING IT? NO, SIR. MARCH 5TH, NUMBER 12. COMMISSIONER. UH, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE BRIEFED. OKAY. NO BRIEFING NECESSARY. NUMBER 13, COMMISSIONER SERATO. DOES THAT ONE NEED TO BE BRIEFED? YEAH, I'D LIKE THE, FOR IT TO BE BRIEFED, PLEASE. OKAY. MR. LEE? YES. LEMME SEE THAT. WHAT TIME DID YOU GET THAT FRIDAY? I DIDN'T GET ANYTHING. THE PRESENTATION ISN'T IN THE, I DON'T THINK IT'S IN THE FOLDER. FOLDER. OKAY. WHICH ONE IS IT 20? UH, THIS IS TWO 11. TWO 11. I DON'T SEE IT. OH NO. CAN YOU GO TO MAYBE I DIDN'T MAKE IT GO TO, UM, CLICK THAT ONE. LEMME JUST CLICK AROUND. UH, GO TO 2 20 26. THAT WORK? IT'S 13. TRY THE, THE POWERPOINTS BECAUSE IF YOU PUT IT IN THERE, OH, I NOTE. OKAY, NO WORRIES. AND THEN, UM, IN WEBEX, SHARE WHAT CASE? OH YEAH, THIS IS ONE WHERE WE'VE BASICALLY DONE A TWO STEP TO MORE DENSITY BECAUSE IT WAS ORIGINALLY R 75. WE, WE REZONED IT A COUPLE YEARS AGO TO, OH, MINOR, MINOR ISSUE WITH THE POWERPOINT. IT WON'T, UH, I GUESS THAT'S FOR A LOGIN. IT WAS ORIGINALLY ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO. [01:15:02] I REMEMBER THE CASE, WE CHANGED IT TWO YEARS AGO BECAUSE THEY SAID IT WASN'T SUITABLE FOR, FOR RESIDENTIAL. THEY WANTED TO DO WHATEVER AND ASKED, I GUESS IT WAS, I'M SORRY. OH, I'M SORRY. UH, OKAY. ALRIGHT, MR. LEE, THANKS SO MUCH FOR SORTING THROUGH ALL THE TECHNOLOGY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, SO THIS IS Z DASH 25 DASH 0 0 0 2 1 1. UH, THIS IS APPLICATION FOR, UH, FOR DA DUPLEX DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE NSA NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT. HERE'S THE LOCATION MAP OF THE PROPERTY. HERE'S A AERIAL. UH, SO THERE REQUEST IS CURRENTLY ZONED NSA, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT AND IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED THE SURROUNDING AREAS, PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY WITH A CHURCH AND COMMERCIAL WITHIN THE CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT. IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH, THE APPLICANT WISHES TO UTILIZE THE SITE AT THE DUPLEX, AND AS SUCH, THEY'RE REQUESTING A DA DUPLEX DISTRICT. UH, THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY DOES HAVE A D RESTRICTION, UH, Z TWO 12 DASH 1 69 ON THE PROPERTY AND STRICTLY, UH, RESTRICTING THE PROPERTY BEING USED AS A MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT AND A TATTOO OR BODY PIERCING STUDIO HERE. HERE'S THE SURROUNDING ZONING AND LAND USE. UH, HERE'S THE SUBJECT PROPERTY LOOKING SOUTH ON ELAM ROAD, UH, ALONG ELAM ROAD. LOOKING TO THE EAST, TO THE NORTH TO THE WEST. UH, HERE'S THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS COMPARING THE EXISTING ZONING DISTRICT AND THEN THE PROPOSED ZONING DISTRICT. ACCORDING TO FORWARD DALLAS, UH, THE PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED AS A COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, UM, AND AS SUCH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION. THANK YOU, MR. LEE. QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER SERRATO. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, I REMEMBER WE REZONED THIS PROPERTY JUST A FEW YEARS AGO. IT WAS R SEVEN FIVE AND IT GOT REZONED TO NS AND I THINK THE ARGUMENT AT THE TIME WAS IT WASN'T SUITABLE FOR RESIDENTIAL. SO WE'RE KIND OF DOING A TWO STEP GOING FROM SINGLE FAMILY TO DUPLEX. ARE THERE CONDITIONS ALONG, I'M NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH ELAM ROAD. ARE THERE CONDITIONS ALONG ELAM ROAD AND THE SURROUNDING, UM, DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD MAKE THIS A MORE SUITABLE SITE FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL? UH, SO THAT IS A ISSUE THAT THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO, I GUESS, TOR TAKE THAT RISK DURING THE PERMITTING STAGE. UM, DAVID NAVARRES HAD MENTIONED THAT, UH, ACCESS WOULD NOT BE ON ELAM ROAD. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A ALLEY ACCESS, UM, IN AN ALTERNATIVE WAY. UM, SO THAT HAS BEEN EXPRESSED TO THE APPLICANT, UM, MULTIPLE TIMES AND HE SEEMS TO ACCEPT THAT, THAT RISK, BUT THAT WOULD BE A PERMITTING ISSUE WHEN, THANK YOU. [01:20:03] I DO JUST HAVE ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION. IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ONE, SO THIS IS ZONED NS RIGHT NOW, SO WOULD SP EIGHT 40 APPLY TO THE PROPERTY? YES. SO BASED ON, BASED ON LOOKING AT IT, IF IT'S PERMITS RETAIL OR OFFICE USES, IT PERMITS MULTIFAMILY. SO THE PROPERTY OWNER COULD USE IT THAT WAY. I DID EXPLAIN TO THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT IN CASE THEY WANTED TO EXPLORE THAT FOR THEIR, YOU KNOW, USE THEIR RIGHTS, UM, THEY SAID DUPLEX IS REALLY THE DIRECTION THEY'D LIKE TO GO WITH THEIR USES. AND IS THE ISSUE WITH BUILDING DUPLEX UNDER SB EIGHT 40, THAT SB EIGHT 40 APPLIES TO DEVELOPMENTS OF THREE OR MORE UNITS PER LOT? YES. WE CAN ONLY USE IT FOR MULTIFAMILY THREE OR MORE UNITS PER LOT. SO IF HE WANTED TO HAVE SMALLER, YOU KNOW, SELL PARCELS ON A SMALLER BASIS, HE'S GOTTA DO A, A SINGLE FAMILY OR DUPLEX, UM, TYPE, UH, USE. SO WE'RE LIVING IN THE DONUT HOLE. ALRIGHT, SO MR. CHAIR? YEAH, A QUICK QUESTION JUST FOR MY OWN EDIFICATION. SO IF IT HAS SV EIGHT 40 ENTITLEMENTS UNDER ITS CURRENT ZONING AND WE DOWN ZONE IT TO DUPLEX, DOES IT LOSE ITS SB EIGHT 40 ENTITLEMENTS? YEP. BECAUSE THE NEW ZONING WOULD NOT PERMIT RETAIL OR OFFICE OR, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL USES. SO WE'VE EXPLAINED THIS TO THE APPLICANT AND HE WAS LIKE READY TO GO. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. WE LEARN A NEW WRINKLE TO SB EIGHT 40 EVERY MEETING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. LEE? OKAY. UH, ITEM 14. COMMISSIONER SIMS, DO YOU NEED ITEM 14 BRIEFED? I DO NOT. OKAY. AND ANYONE FEEL FREE TO SPEAK UP IF THERE'S AN ITEM THAT'S NOT IN YOUR DISTRICT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE BRIEFED. UM, ITEM NUMBER 15, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, WOULD YOU LIKE THIS ONE BRIEFED? NO, IT IS GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO FEBRUARY THE 19TH, UM, TO ALLOW FOR, UM, COMMUNITY REVIEW. GREAT. COMMISSIONER WHEELER, ITEM NUMBER 16. I SEE YOU SHAKING YOUR HEAD NO ON BRIEFING. UM, ITEM NUMBER 17, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. AND I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 18, ALSO YOU, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, WOULD YOU LIKE THIS ONE BRIEFED? I WILL ASK A QUESTION IF I MAY. OKAY, SURE. MR. AGUILERA, UM, THIS SITE, UM, WE'RE REMOVING DEED RESTRICTIONS ON PROPERTY THAT HAS UNDERLYING SINGLE FAMILY ZONING. IS THAT CORRECT? UM, SO IT, IT IS SEWN, UH, P FOR, UH, FOR PARKING. SO WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT THERE WAS A, AN ELECTRICAL, UH, SCHOOL OR AN ELECTRICIAN SCHOOL, I'M SORRY, AND THEY HAD MADE IN ORDER FOR THEM BACK ON THE TIME THEY HAD, UH, UH, REQUIRE, UH, SEPARATELY FILED DATE RESTRICTIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY PROVIDED THE, THE PARKING, BUT THE SCHOOL IS NO LONGER THERE. RIGHT. AND SO, AND THEN THE DEED RESTRICTIONS LIMITED IT TO THAT SCHOOL USE. SO, BUT IT, IT'S PUTTING IT BACK TO WHAT IT HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN. IS THAT, UH, CORRECT? YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM NUMBER 18? COMMISSIONERS. OKAY. WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 19. COMMISSIONER SERATO, WOULD YOU LIKE THAT ONE BRIEFED? OKAY. ALRIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 20. I HAVE A CONFLICT ON THIS ONE. UM, SO I WOULD NEED TO STEP OUT IF IT'S BRIEFED AND WE'D NEED TO APPOINT A TEMPORARY VICE CHAIR. THE OTHER OPTION WOULD BE THAT WE COULD BRIEF IT THIS AFTERNOON WHEN COMMISSIONER VICE CHAIR HERBERT'S HERE IF YOU WANNA DO THAT. SO HAPPY TO GO EITHER WAY. I HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT I CAN ASK THEM THIS AFTERNOON. OKAY. IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH EVERYONE? OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 21, COMMISSIONER SERRATO. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 22 IS GOING TO BE HELD, SO I ASSUME WE DON'T NEED THAT BRIEFED. NOT TODAY. OKAY, GREAT. A DATE? THREE FOUR, UH, 2 0 3 5. I GOT MY DATES CONFUSED. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HALL, ITEM NUMBER 23. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, WOULD YOU LIKE THIS ONE BRIEFED OR QUESTIONS ON IT? NO, NOT NEEDED. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 24. COMMISSIONER COX, ANY QUESTIONS OR DO YOU NEED A BRIEFING ON THIS ONE? NO. OKAY. I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS ONE. OKAY, GREAT. MR. BATE. [01:25:07] GOOD MORNING. HI THERE. UH, I DID SEE THERE WERE A NUMBER OF LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT PEOPLE ASSOCIATED WITH THE SCHOOL WERE VERY, UM, ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT ADDING THE, THE LIGHTING. MY QUESTION IS ABOUT A SENTENCE IN THE PD THAT SAYS THAT THE LIGHTING IS LIMITED TO A PRACTICE INVOLVING A-D-I-S-D ATHLETIC TEAM OR OTHER UIL ORGANIZATION. IS THAT OPENING UP THE USE OF THIS FIELD BEYOND WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS SUPPORTING? SORRY, COULD YOU SAY THE LAST BIT OF THE QUESTION? NO. IS THAT OPENING UP THE USE OF THIS FIELD BEYOND WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS SUPPORTING? BECAUSE THE SUPPORT THAT I WAS MM-HMM . THE SUPPORT LETTERS I WAS READING WAS TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THEIR BASEBALL TEAM BEING ABLE TO RIGHT. YOU KNOW, PRACTICE WHEN IT WASN'T DARK AND ALL THAT. BUT ARE, ARE WE INADVERTENTLY EXPANDING THE USE WHERE IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE HEAVY TO THE POINT WHERE IT WOULD BE A DETRIMENT TO THE COMMUNITY? RIGHT. UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS STANDARD LANGUAGE THAT WE'VE USED FOR OTHER DISD CASES, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE ATHLETIC FIELD LIGHTING. UM, I'LL BE HONEST, MY PLAIN LANGUAGE READING OF IT SUGGESTS THAT ANY, ANY UIL TEAM COULD USE IT FOR PRACTICE IF THEY SO SCHEDULED IT OR ANY OTHER DISD SCHOOL, SO. CORRECT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL THAT'S MY QUESTION, BUT THANK YOU. YEP. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. IF I COX I CAN OFFER SOME ADDITIONAL INSIGHT TO SURE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. SO I ATTENDED A, A COMMUNITY MEETING, UH, A COUPLE OF NIGHTS AGO AT HILLCREST HIGH SCHOOL. DISD REPRESENTATIVES WERE THERE. THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, UH, DOES THIS OPEN UP THE USE OF THIS FIELD TO NON, UH, DISTRICT EVENTS, IF YOU WILL? AND THE ANSWER WAS NO. UH, SO I I THINK WE'RE GOOD. UM, THAT'S NOT TO SAY WE, WE DID HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WAS INQUIRING ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO USE THAT FIELD. UM, AND I, I, MY RECOLLECTION WAS THAT THE DISTRICT SAID WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT, BUT GENERALLY BECAUSE OF THE FENCING FOR SECURITY AND WHATNOT, IT'S, IT'S NOT ACCESSIBLE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO LOOK AT. UM, I THINK IF THE QUESTION IS REALLY ABOUT TRAFFIC AND INCREASING TRAFFIC TRAFFIC, UM, I WAS ASSURED AND, AND EVEN MORE SO BY THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE DURING THAT MEETING, THAT LIGHTING THIS FIELD WILL ACTUALLY REDUCE THE, UM, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT. UM, THERE WILL BE EVENTS THERE THAT WILL BE WITHIN THE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. SO OTHER SCHOOLS WILL COME IN AND PLAY THE, THE HIGH SCHOOL, UH, HILLCREST HIGH SCHOOL TEAM THERE. UM, BUT IT WON'T, UH, FROM WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, IT WON'T INCREASE THE TRAFFIC FLOW BECAUSE OF THE HOURS. OKAY. THANK YOU. NO, MY QUESTION REALLY WAS, WERE THE NEIGHBORS AWARE THAT THE, THE USE OF THE FIELD COULD BE BEYOND WHAT I WAS SEEING THE SUPPORT LETTERS ENDORSING, BUT IT SOUNDS AS IT'S BEEN COVERED, SO THANK YOU. YEAH, THERE WERE ROUGHLY 20, 20 TO FIVE, UH, INDIVIDUALS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE, AND ALL OF THEM WERE, WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE IDEA, PARTICULARLY WHEN THE DISTRICT SHOWED THE, THE PRESENTATION OF THE LIGHTING AND HOW THE LIGHTING WOULD, WOULD IMPACT OR FOCUS ON THE FIELD, UH, RATHER THAN, UM, AMBIENT LIGHT, IF YOU WILL, BEING SPILLED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAD A, A SIMILAR CASE IN DISTRICT 13 RECENTLY. UM, UH, IS, IS THIS PART OF DSDS EFFORTS TO UPGRADE ALL OF THESE, UH, SCHOOL CAMPUSES TO SORT OF A UNIFORM STANDARD OF ATHLETIC FIELD LIGHTING? I SUSPECT IT IS, YES. YEAH. OKAY. SO THERE'S NOTHING PARTICULARLY SPECIAL ABOUT THIS, IT'S JUST PART OF THEIR ONGOING PROGRAM? I BELIEVE SO, YEAH. I THINK THEY'RE JUST GOING THROUGH ALL THEIR, ALL THEIR SCHOOL PDS AND ANY SUVS WHERE APPLICABLE TO, UH, TO GET LIGHTING ADDED. UM, I'LL BE HONEST, I'M SURPRISED HOW MANY THERE ARE THAT STILL DON'T HAVE LIGHTS. YEAH. IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THE DISD REPRESENTATIVE FROM, FROM OUR, OUR CASE WAS MADE THE COMMENT, WE HAVE FOUR OR FIVE OF THESE GOING ON AT MM-HMM . THIS TIME AND OTHERS ARE PLANNED. SO THIS IS ALL PART OF A MASTER PLAN, I SUSPECT. GOT IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHEELER, UM, IST THESE ARE THE SAME LIGHTS THAT THEY HAVE DONE AT SAMUEL LINCOLN AND WELL, THEY'RE PUT A LINCOLN AND AT SOCK. AM I CORRECT? SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION WAS A LITTLE HARD TO HEAR. YOU PUT IT A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MIC. THE, THE TWO MAIN CAMPUSES THAT, THAT I ACTUALLY WAS ABLE TO SEE 'EM AT WAS AT CREEK THAT SOCK AND AT SAMUEL. UM, AND THEY'RE GOING IN AT LINCOLN HIGH SCHOOL, THESE SCHOOLS AND, AND I WENT TO SOCK AND EVERYTHING AROUND SOCK WAS DARK, BUT THE LIGHT, THE FIELD LIGHTS, IT, IT DIDN'T BLEED INTO THE COMMUNITY, IT BLEED RIGHT ONTO THE [01:30:01] FIELD. AND SO THAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE. THEY'RE LARGE THAT, YEAH. IT, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE STARTING TO HAVE A FAIR AMOUNT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS ITEM. DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO PULL IT FROM CONSENT? ARE WE OKAY TO LEAVE IT ON? WOULD WE LIKE TO PULL THIS FROM CONSENT GIVEN THE DISCUSSION OR WE WE'RE STARTING HERE. ARE WE OKAY LEAVING IT ON? NO, NOT AT ALL. WE WANT TO KEEP IT. OKAY. WE'LL KEEP IT ON CONSENT THEN. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. ITEM 25 IS GONNA BE HELD RIGHT? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON THAT IT IS, BUT, UM, I THINK I HAVE QUESTIONS AND I DON'T KNOW IF A BRIEFING WOULD BE HELPFUL OR NOT. I CAN ASK MY QUESTIONS AND IF IT, IF IT'S NEEDED, WE CAN COMPLETELY UP TO YOU. WELL, MY QUESTION IS, WHAT IS PROPOSED IS THE REMOVAL OF THE D OVERLAY. UM, AND I HAD SENT THIS QUESTION TO MR. PEPE IS THAT IF THE BODY WANTED TO CONSIDER AMENDING IT TO A D ONE THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE RE-NOTICE, IS THAT CORRECT? IT, IT WOULD, UM, AS ESPECIALLY WITH THE ADDITION OF THE SUP UM, COMPONENT. SO THAT WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE FIRST DATE IN MARCH. OKAY. AND JUST FOR THE BODY'S INFORMATION, I HAD NOT BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THIS APPLICANT PRIOR TO THIS WEEK. UM, THERE HAS BEEN NO COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND I'VE INITIATED THAT WE ARE, UM, HAVING A COMMUNITY MEETING. AND SO, UM, IT WILL BE HELD, BUT I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THAT CLARIFICATION ON THE D VERSUS D ONE. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER HALL, UH, I HAD A QUESTION FOR MR. PEPE ON THIS CASE. UH, IN THE, IN YOUR REPORT YOU USED THE WORD SALE OF BEVERAGES, WHEREAS ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE OTHER SALES OF ALCOHOL WE HAVE HAVE REFERRED TO THE SALE OF ALCOHOL. IS THERE A, DO THESE MEAN THE SAME THING? WHEN I FIRST READ BEVERAGE, I WENT, ARE THEY SERVING COCKTAILS? , BUT, UH, YEAH, NO, IT, IT IS, IT IS BEVERAGES. THERE'S NOT A DIFFERENCE. UM, D AND D OVER D AND D ON THE OVERLAYS ARE, ARE PRETTY LIMITED IN WHAT THEY DO AND SIMPLE AT THE END OF THE DAY. UM, BUT YEAH, THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A DIFFERENCE. THEY STILL HAVE TO GET THE APPROPRIATE LICENSE, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE. BUT THE D OVERLAY PROHIBITS ANY TYPES OF USES THAT, UM, SALE, ALCOHOL, HAVE THE, AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, IN STORE, OUT STORE THOSE TYPES OF USES OR THAT ACTIVITY, UM, REGARDLESS OF WHAT LICENSE TYPE THAT MAY BE WITH THE STATE. AND THEN THE D ONE PERMITS, THOSE TWO OCCUR IF THERE'S AN SUP. SO THIS IS JUST FOR THE SALE OF, OF BEER AND WINE. WINE NOT FOR SPIRITS IN THE EXISTING GROCERY STORE. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU COULDN'T GET THAT IN A GROCERY STORE, UM, WITH THE STATE LICENSING. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. MM-HMM . COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I HAD A QUESTION. IS THIS, UM, PROPOSING, REMOVING THE D OVERLAY JUST FOR THAT ONE PARTICULAR SUITE? IT'S A KIND OF FUNNY PARCEL. AND THE, THE D OVERLAY THAT'S THERE DOES NOT GOVERN, DOES NOT GOVERN THE PARKING LOT OR THE, THE COMMERCIAL ZONES ALONG GASTON, IT'S ONLY THE GROCERY STORE SUITE. WELL, REALLY THE GROCERY, THE PARCEL REALLY, THE, THE GROCERY STORE IS ON ITS OWN TINY LITTLE PARCEL. OKAY. AND IT'S LIMITED TO THAT. OKAY. IS WAS THAT THE SUBDISTRICT 11 B? I THINK IT WAS THAT I SAW ON THE, ON THE MAP BECAUSE THERE WAS SUBDISTRICT 11 IS PRETTY LARGE, BUT THEN THERE'S A TINY LITTLE PARCEL CARVED OUT. I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW, I THINK IT'S, THE REMOVAL COULD BE DELIMITED TO THIS ONE. IT'S SUB AREA 11. OKAY. UM, BUT THE PARCEL TRULY IS PRETTY MUCH THE GROCERY STORE AND THE LOADING PARKING BEHIND IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THAT THE OVERLAY DOES NOT COVER THE PLACE WHERE I GO TO DONATE BLOOD. OH, I JUST KIDDING. WELL, NO, AND, AND THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO GET ORIENTED HERE. UM, IT IS HARD TO GET ORIENTED HERE. I KNOW WHERE YOU MEAN. UH, NO , I MEANT THAT IN JEST MAINLY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. UH, ITEM NUMBER 26. COMMISSIONER SIMS. WE'VE GOTTEN QUITE A FEW EMAILS ON THIS ONE. I THINK I, WE, WE HAVE, WE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO BRIEF IT, MR. CHAIR, BUT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS WOULD PROBABLY BE IN ORDER AND I THINK AN UPDATE ON THE DE RESTRICTIONS THAT WE'VE THAT'S A GOOD POINT. YEAH. THAT, THAT WAS ACTUALLY MY PRINCIPLE QUESTION. SO YES. AND IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE A BRIEFING, WE'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO. I THINK A BRIEFING IS IN ORDER. OKAY. LET'S, LET'S BRIEF IT. FAIR ENOUGH. [01:35:07] ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS, UH, ITEM 26 KD 25 69. IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN MF TWO MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE R SEVEN FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTH TERMINUS OF NORTH BOULEVARD TERRACE BETWEEN HAMPTON ROAD AND PLYMOUTH ROAD, APPROXIMATELY 3.52 ACRES IN SIZE, UH, OVER IN, UH, WEST OAK CLIFF AERIAL MAP HERE. YOU SEE IT ON BOULEVARD TERRACE, THAT'S HAMPTON ROAD. OVER TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE IMAGE ON THE EAST, UH, THE ZONING MAP, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A MIX OF ZONING AROUND HERE. UH, THE PARCEL ITSELF OR THE PARCELS THEMSELVES ARE IN AN R SEVEN FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT TO THE IMMEDIATE SOUTH IS AN MF TWO, A SINGLE OR MULTI, PARDON ME, AN MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT THAT COMPRISES A FEW PARCELS. AND THEN MR. CHAIR, I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING. I, I CAN'T HEAR THE GENTLEMAN AND SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE IN SAME BOAT. OH YEAH. MR. BA, COULD YOU MAYBE GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE? YEAH, THANK YOU. IS THAT BETTER? GOT IT. WE'VE GOT AN MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT OF THE SOUTH THAT COVERS A FEW PARCELS, AND THEN A LARGE TH THREE A, UH, TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT. SOUTH OF THAT TO THE SOUTHWEST IS PD FOUR 50, WHICH COMPRISES A SCHOOL TO THE IMMEDIATE WEST OF THE SITE, IS ALSO AN MF TWO, A DISTRICT ALONG PLYMOUTH ROAD. AND THEN IN THE NORTHWEST IS PD 8 0 1, WHICH CONTAINS MULTIFAMILY. THE AREA OF REQUEST IS DEVELOPED WITH A FEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND VACANT LOTS, AND THEY WISH TO DEVELOP 48 DWELLING UNITS ON HERE. AND AS SUCH, REQUEST AN MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT. UH, THESE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS THAT I TOOK AS ON BOULEVARD TERRACE LOOKING SOUTHWEST. AND YOU'LL GET A GOOD GLIMPSE OF KIND OF THE PICTURE HERE AND WHAT THE SITE CURRENTLY LOOKS LIKE AND LOOKING AWAY FROM THE SITE TOWARDS KIND OF THE NORTHERN END OF IT AND INTO THE SOUTH. AND YOU CAN SEE RIGHT NOW YOU CAN SEE WHERE BOULEVARD TERRACE SORT OF DEAD ENDS INTO A, WELL, A DEAD END AND THEN LOOKING NORTH END TO THAT DEAD END. AND THEN I TOOK A COUPLE STREET VIEW, UH, IMAGES JUST FROM FURTHER SOUTH THAT I HAD FAILED TO SNAP SOME PHOTOS OF MYSELF. UH, THIS IS A COMPARISON OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS BETWEEN R SEVEN FIVE A AND THE PROPOSED MF TWO A. UH, THE FRONT SETBACKS, THEY DO GO, UH, GO BACK A LITTLE BIT, UM, FROM, OR THEY MOVE FORWARD A LITTLE BIT FROM 25 FEET TO 15 FEET. YOUR SIDE AND REAR SETBACKS DO INCREASE COMPARED TO R SEVEN FIVE A. THERE IS A DWELLING UNIT DENSITY AND LOT SIZE LISTED THERE THAT WOULD NO LONGER APPLY IN OUR SB EIGHT 40. UH, THE HEIGHT AS WELL, I, I FORGOT TO UPDATE THIS, UH, SLIDE. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. BUT THE HEIGHT WOULD BE, UM, UH, 45 FOOT MAXIMUM HEIGHT. UH, LOT COVERAGE WOULD REMAIN AT 60%. UH, THERE'S A NOTE THERE ABOUT RPS APPLYING AND WITH SB SBA 40, IT WOULD NO LONGER REALLY KICK IN, UM, ON THIS LOT. UH, THE SITE IS DESIGNATED AS COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL AND THE PRIMARY USE IS OUR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED DETACHED MULTI-FAMILY AND RETAIL OFFICE OF MIXED USE OR SECONDARY. UH, WE DO NOTE THAT SORT OF SOME OF THE POINTS IN FAVOR ARE THAT IT IS CLOSE TO MAJOR ROADWAYS AND BUS TRANSIT AND IT'S CLOSE TO AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL SUPERMARKET AND OTHER RETAIL ALONG WEST DAVIS. UM, IT IS LOCATED WITHIN A PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S MOSTLY TH THREE ZONING. AND THERE IS ADJACENCY TO, UH, MF TWO A DISTRICTS BOTH TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST. UH, SB EIGHT 40 HAS SOME LIMITATIONS OR RESTRICTS LIMITATIONS ON BUILDING MASSING AND DWELLING UNIT DENSITY, UH, WOULDN'T BE SUBJECT TO THE NORMAL RPS SLOPING REQUIREMENTS OR STEPPING BACK REQUIREMENTS. INSTEAD, YOU JUST GET A FLAT 45 FEET HEIGHT. UM, I THINK THAT THE, YOU KNOW, STAFF FINDS THE PROPOSED UNIT COUNT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE, BUT MF TWO KIND OF UNBRIDLED MIGHT BE LESS APPROPRIATE. UH, TH THREE A CERTAINLY, WHICH THAT'S THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, WOULD ALIGN WITH WHAT THE MAJORITY OF THE STREET IS ALREADY ZONED FOR. UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF A TH THREE, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT IN LIEU OF MF TWO A MULTIFAMILY. AND I DO WANT TO ADD SOME DETAILS ON DEED RESTRICTIONS, WHICH THIS WAS CIRCULATED TO THE COMMISSION. AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO UPDATE THIS BEFORE. UM, I GOT THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AFTER THE PRESENTATION WAS PUBLISHED, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS VOLUNTEERED SOME DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT WOULD, I THINK ADDITIONALLY ENCUMBER THIS SITE IN TERMS OF WHAT CAN ACTUALLY BE DEVELOPED ON THERE. I'M GONNA PULL THOSE UP HERE AND JUST READ THEM OUT. UH, BUT THERE'S KIND OF TWO MAIN OR THREE MAIN PORTIONS OF THIS. UH, FIRST OF ALL, THERE WOULD BE A MR. BATE, IT'S NOT UP ON YOUR SCREEN. OUR SCREENS YET. YES. LET ME, HERE, LEMME JOIN THE WEBEX ON MY LAPTOP HERE 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE IT DOWN THERE. JUST A MOMENT. [01:40:04] MY APOLOGIES. WE CHANGED THE PASSWORD. HEY, GEORGE, WHAT'S THE PASSWORD FOR THE WEBINAR? LOWERCASE DALLAS. UH, IT'S TELLING ME THAT'S NOT RIGHT AND NOW IT'S MAKING ME ANSWER INTO CAPCHA. I JUST A MOMENT. YEAH, PEN. OH, ALL RIGHT. JUST A MOMENT. GEORGE WILL GET ME APPROVED AS A PANELIST. ALL RIGHT. ONE MOMENT. THANK YOU, GEORGE. ALRIGHT, IS THAT TEXT READABLE, UH, TO FOLKS OR SHOULD I ZOOM IN MORE? KEEP GOING. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA BE THAT READABLE ON THOSE SCREENS. I CAN JUST READ IT OUT AND WE'VE, I'LL, I'LL RECIRCULATE IT TO THE COMMISSION AS WELL. UM, THE, THE MAIN TENANTS HERE, ONE IS, UH, PROHIBITION ON SHORT TERM RENTAL LODGING. I KNOW THAT'S BEEN A CONCERN I THINK IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND REALLY THE CITY, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY IS, UH, SDRS. UM, SO THAT WOULD BE PROHIBITED THROUGH THE DEED RESTRICTIONS. THE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE WOULD BE LIMITED TO 40%. UH, AS A REMINDER, THE BASE MF TWO ALLOWS 60%. SO THIS WOULD BE A 40% LIMITATION. UH, THE, THE RESTRICTIONS WOULD ALSO REQUIRE A PROVISIONING OF ONE PARKING SPACE PER DWELLING UNIT. AND AS A REMINDER, UNDER OUR PARKING REFORM, THE BASE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR AN APARTMENT BUILDING OF 48 UNITS WOULD ACTUALLY BE A HALF SPACE PER UNIT. SO THIS WOULD INCREASE THAT TO ONE PER DWELLING UNIT. UH, ADDITIONALLY THERE'S A PROPOSAL HERE FOR WHAT THEY'RE CALLING AN ENVIRONMENTAL SETBACK. I KNOW THAT A LOT OF CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP BY THE COMMUNITY HAVE IN THE PROXIMITY TO COOMBS CREEK. UH, THIS WOULD REQUIRE AT LEAST 20 FEET OF SETBACK ALONG THE EAST LINE OF THE ESTABLISHED FEMA FLOOD, PLAIN LINE EAST OF POCOS CREEK, AND WOULD PROHIBIT SEVERAL ACTIVITIES WHEN THAT SETBACK EXCEPT AS REQUIRED FOR MAINTENANCE, UM, OF NATURAL VEGETATION OR APPROVED BY ARMY CORPS, TCEQ, ET CETERA. SO NO, NO PLACEMENT OR CONSTRUCTION OF BUILDING STRUCTURES OR IMPERVIOUS SURFACES. REMOVAL OF NATURAL VEGETATION EXCEPT FOR KIND OF ROUTINE REMOVAL OF, UH, DEAD TREES AND INVASIVE SPECIES AND SUCH. NO APPLICATION OF PESTICIDES, HERBICIDES AND FERTILIZERS, NO DUMPING OF STORAGE OR ANY WASTE, ET CETERA. UH, IT ALSO WAS PROVIDED PEDESTRIAN TRAIL THAT WOULD BE MAINTAINED AS AN AMENITY FOR RESIDENTS AND GUESTS. UH, IT MAY BE LOCATED WITHIN THE ENVIRONMENTAL SETBACK, PROVIDED THAT IT AVOIDS THE AREAS OF SIGNIFICANT TREE CON CONCENTRATION. AND THE FINAL ALIGNMENT WOULD NEED TO BE REVIEWED BY THE CITY AS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION PERMITTING NO WIDER THAN 10 FEET. AND IT MUST APPLY WITH ALL THE APPLICABLE FLOODPLAIN DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND DRAINAGE STANDARDS. IT MUST BE PERVIOUS OR SEMI PERVIOUS. AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE OWNER'S DESIGNATE, WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ONGOING MAINTENANCE. UH, SO IT WOULDN'T BE THE, WOULDN'T BE THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY, BUT THE OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN THAT. UH, SO THESE DUE RESTRICTIONS, THEY WERE PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT EARLIER THIS WEEK. UM, I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IN LIGHT OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS OR THIS IN LIGHT OF THIS PROPOSAL HERE, I THINK THAT THIS DOES DO A LOT TO STRIKE. I THINK MORE OF A BALANCE IN WHAT COULD BE DEVELOPED HERE. IF IT WERE TO BE REZONED TO MF TWO WITH THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS, YOU'D STILL HAVE THE MORE GENEROUS AMOUNT OF HEIGHT THAT'S ALLOWED UNDER, UM, [01:45:01] UNDER SB EIGHT 40. UH, BUT YOU WOULD ALSO BE LIMITING THE LOT COVERAGE. SO THE OVERALL FOOTPRINT, I THINK WOULD BE, UH, PRETTY GREATLY REDUCED COMPARED TO WHAT YOU COULD GET WITH 60% LOT COVERAGE. AND, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD NOTE THAT THERE IS AN MF TWO DISTRICT THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING ON BOULEVARD TERRACE IMMEDIATELY SOUTH. UH, SO THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF SOME KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD OCCUR ON THAT, THOSE PARCELS. UM, WITH 45 FEET IN HEIGHT, 60% LOT COVERAGE, UH, LESS THAN, UH, ONE PARKING SPACE PER DWELLING UNIT. UH, SO THIS WOULD BE, DESPITE BEING A PRETTY LARGE LAND AREA OVERALL COMPARED TO THAT MF TWO DISTRICT OF THE SOUTH, UH, IT WOULD BE ENCUMBERED WITH THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS. UH, WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TURN IT OVER FOR QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER SIMS. GREAT. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I THANK YOU FOR THIS MR. BAYTON. JUST SO THAT I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY THAT YOU THINK WITH THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, WE END UP WITH POTENTIALLY LESS COVERAGE ON THIS ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE PLOT OF LAND THAN WE WOULD IF WE, WITH THE RECOMMENDED TH THREE ZONING WITH THE RECOMMENDED TH THREE ZONING, THE LOT COVERAGE. LET ME, LEMME PULL MY CODE REAL QUICK. I THINK IT'S EITHER 60 OR 8% LOT COVERAGE. SO YOU COULD HAVE MORE LOT COVERAGE WITH TH THREE A 60. YEAH, 60, THANK YOU. 60. OKAY. SO IT WOULD BE THE SAME AS MF TWO BASE. UM, I THINK THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IS THAT YOU, WITH MF WITH MF TWO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO LOT SIZE LIMITS FOR MULTIFAMILY THAT ARE ENFORCED. SO YOU COULD POTENTIALLY CRAM IN A LOT OF UNITS IF YOU WANTED TO. UH, SOMETHING LIKE LOT COVERAGE RESTRICTIONS, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY FORCE YOUR HAND A LITTLE BIT MORE IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU CAN BUILD THERE. UH, AMONG OTHER REALITIES OF, YOU KNOW, THE ECONOMICS OF DEVELOPMENT AND WHATNOT. UM, A BASE TH THREE ALSO WOULDN'T HAVE ANY OF THE ADDITIONAL DEED RESTRICTION PROTECTIONS OR, UH, ENCUMBRANCES THAT, UH, AGAINST DEVELOPMENT NEAR THE CREEK. THAT WOULD ALL JUST DEFAULT TO WHATEVER, EITHER CITY CODE, CITY REGULATIONS, ARMY CORPS REGULATIONS, ET CETERA, DICTATE FOR DEVELOPMENT NEAR WATERWAYS. GOOD. AND I WOULD THINK TOO THAT THE, UH, WITH THE LIMITATION ON PARKING, THAT IN TERMS OF JUST CRAMMING MORE BUILDINGS IN THAT, THAT PARKING LIMITATION ALSO OPERATES AS A BIT OF A CHECK ON HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH HEIGHT YOU COULD DO OR HOW MUCH BUILDING YOU COULD DO ON THE SPACE. IT WOULD REQUIRE MORE PARKING, UM, THAT INHERENTLY EATS UP MORE SPACE. UM, IT DOES DEPEND TO THINK OF IT ON HOW YOU CONFIGURE YOUR SITE AND YOUR BUILDING AS WELL. I THINK THERE'S CREATIVE WAYS AROUND THAT AND LESS CREATIVE WAYS, OR NOT AROUND THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S WAYS TO ADDRESS THAT. BUT EITHER WAY, IT WOULD EAT UP EITHER INTO YOUR, YOUR USABLE HEIGHT 'CAUSE YOU'D BE BUILDING GARAGES UNDERNEATH OR BE EATING INTO YOUR OVERALL, UH, LOT AREA BECAUSE YOU'D BE USING IT FOR SERVICE PARKING. GOOD. AND JUST, JUST ONE MORE QUESTION. UH, 'CAUSE AS CHAIR RUBIN NOTED, WE HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF EMAILS ON THIS AND, UH, THIS CASE HAS A LOT OF HISTORY AND IN SOME OF MY CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS, THEY'VE SAID, WELL, WHAT WE SHOULD DO HERE IS A PD 'CAUSE THAT WILL BETTER, BETTER ENSURE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S WISHES ARE HONORED. MM-HMM . COULD YOU SPEAK TO, TO THAT POINT? YEAH. WITH THE PD, PARDON ME? WITH THE PD, THERE'S, I THINK THE MAIN REASON THAT FOLKS OFTEN TURN TO A PD IS WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL PREDICTABILITY OR AN EXPECTATION OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT THERE. YOU CAN ATTACH A DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, AND THAT LAYS OUT YOUR BUILDING FOOTPRINT, THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, ET CETERA. I THINK THAT'S ALL VERY WELL AND GOOD. AND THAT HAS, I THINK, SERVED THE CITY WELL IN THE PAST SOMETIMES. IN FACT, WE HAVE A CASE TODAY THAT, UH, I THINK HAS A SIMILAR, SORT OF A SIMILAR SETUP WHERE A PD IS BEING USED PARTLY TO, UH, PROVIDE, I THINK SOME OF THAT ASSURANCE AND VISION. THE CHALLENGE IS THAT WITH SB EIGHT 40, THERE'S A LOT THAT'S BEEN KIND OF CHANGED IN TERMS OF HOW WE CAN REGULATE THINGS EVEN THROUGH A PD OR EVEN THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT PLAN. UH, LET'S SAY ONE OF THEM WOULD BE YOUR SETBACKS OR YOUR, OR YOUR LOT COVERAGE. UM, WELL, NOT LOT COVERAGE, BECAUSE IF YOU SAID IT'S A 40%, THAT'S IT. BUT LET'S SAY THAT YOUR PD GENERALLY SAYS IT'S MF TWO BASED ZONING, AND YOU'VE EVEN GOT A RESTRICTION IN THERE THAT SAYS 36 FEET IN HEIGHT, AND YOU HAVE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, PARDON ME, DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT SHOWS 36 FEET IN HEIGHT, OR 30 FEET IN HEIGHT, 24 FEET IN HEIGHT, SBA 40. IT SAYS, SORRY, YOU CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE. THE LOWEST MAX HEIGHT IS 45 FEET ACROSS THE BOARD. WHAT SOMEONE COULD DO WITH A PD THEN IS THEY COULD COME IN AND REQUEST AN AMENDMENT TO THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOWING THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW IT SAYS 24 FEET, 30 FEET, WHATEVER, BUT SBA 40 ACTUALLY ENTITLES US TO 45 FEET. SO HERE'S A DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT OTHERWISE COMPLIES WITH ALL THE REGULATIONS IN THE PD, BUT WE'RE GETTING 45 FEET. AND WE WOULD BE, UH, WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO ACTUALLY JUST ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE FOLLOWING ALL THE APPLICABLE ZONING REGULATIONS, BOTH BASED ON THE PD AND WHATEVER SB EIGHT 40 CONTROLS. IF THEY WERE TO DO DEVIATIONS BEYOND THAT, UM, IF THEY WANTED TO GIVE THEMSELVES MORE HEIGHT BEYOND 45 FEET, OR IF THEY WANTED TO CHANGE SETBACKS AND WHATNOT, UM, [01:50:01] THAT WOULD BE, UH, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A, A FULL ZONING AMENDMENT TO THE PD. BUT IN TERMS OF LIMITING, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE GREATER SETBACKS BEYOND 25 FEET, OR IF YOU WANTED TO LIMIT HEIGHT, UM, REALLY THERE'S, THERE'S QUITE A LOT OF WIGGLE ROOM THESE DAYS WITH SBA 40 WHERE YOU COULD JUST ADMINISTRATIVELY AMEND THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN SO LONG, SO LONG AS IT GENERALLY CONFORMS. AND I THINK THE KEY THINGS HERE ARE GOING TO BE YOUR HEIGHT LIMITATIONS, WHICH ARE KIND OF OBVIATED BY SB EIGHT 40 AND DWELLING UNIT LIMITATIONS, WHETHER IT'S A DENSITY OR JUST A FIXED NUMBER. UH, AGAIN, SB EIGHT 40 DOES NOT LET US REGULATE THAT. AND SO EVEN IF YOU HAD A, A PD THAT LIMITED THE, UH, DWELLING UNITS, I MEAN, ONE, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK, UM, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WOULD LET US EVEN ENTER THAT TO BEGIN WITH. RIGHT. UH, BUT EVEN IF, LET'S SAY YOU HAD AN EXISTING PD WITH DWELLING UNIT DENSITY LIMITS, UM, THEY WOULD NO LONGER APPLY AND YOU CAN JUST, IF YOU DOVE PLAN WAS REQUIRED, THEN YOU COULD JUST ADMINISTRATIVELY AMEND IT. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IF I, IF I HEAR YOU RIGHT, SORT OF LONG ANSWER SHORT, THAT A PD REALLY DOESN'T ADVANCE THE BALL IN THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT LIKE IT MAY HAVE IN THE PAST WITH RESPECT TO THOSE CONCERNS, UH, I WOULD SAY YES. UH, IT WOULD BE, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD PROVIDE THAT MUCH MORE PROTECTION VERSUS THE DEED RESTRICTIONS BEING PROPOSED HERE. YOU'D GET, I THINK, A MORE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU VERSUS MAYBE WHAT'S BEEN SHOWN. BUT ULTIMATELY, THAT COULD ALWAYS BE AMENDED, SO LONG AS IT'S WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE, UH, APPLICABLE ZONING REGULATIONS. THAT'S ALL FOR ME. MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SIMS. COMMISSIONER COX. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UH, MR. BAIT, I'VE GOT A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU, BUT LET ME GIVE A LITTLE CONTEXT HERE. UH, I WAS CONTACTED ABOUT THIS CASE IN NOVEMBER, SHORTLY AFTER I JOINED THE COMMISSION, ASKED TO MEET WITH HOMEOWNERS, WHICH I WAS HAPPY TO DO. UH, I MET WITH DR. BECKHAM, WHO IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE WEST KESSLER, HOA. HE ALSO IS PART OF THE COOMBS CREEK, UH, UH, CONSERVANCY. UH, I ALSO MET WITH MR. UH, WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, AT HIS REQUEST VIA TELEPHONE. SO I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF DIG INTO THIS, AND I'VE BEEN INTRIGUED AND CERTAINLY INTERESTED IN A LOT OF THE COMMUNICATION THAT HAS COME THROUGH ON THIS CASE. THERE WAS A PACKET THAT WAS DELIVERED YESTERDAY, UH, FROM DR. BECKHAM, UH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT. AND IT WAS VERY TELLING AS FAR AS SOME OF THE INFORMATION. HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO, TO, TO LOOK AT THOSE DOCUMENTS? AND IF SO, UH, WHAT WERE YOUR IMPRESSIONS? I DID HAVE A CHANCE TO PERUSE, I THINK, WHAT WAS SENT OVER BY DR. BECKHAM. I BELIEVE IT WAS SORT OF, UM, I THINK IT WAS AN ASSESSMENT KIND OF FROM, FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, LET'S SAY. UM, I THINK THAT IT WAS A VERY, I'LL BE FRANK, I THINK IT WAS A VERY WELL WRITTEN AND DETAILED PACKET. I DO NOT HAVE THE, UH, SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTISE TO NECESSARILY WEIGH IN ON, ON HOW THAT AFFECTS THE JUDGMENT HERE. UH, GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS AND JUST DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY IN GENERAL, UH, I WOULD SAY THE ZONING AND THE CURRENT PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S POSITION IS THAT WE KIND OF DEFER TO WHATEVER EXISTING CODES ARE OUT THERE, EITHER FROM THE CITY, FROM THE STATE, FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THERE ARE EXISTING RULES OUT THERE, AND I, I CAN'T READ RATTLE THEM OFF OR, OR CITE SPECIFIC STATUTES. UH, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE ARE RULES OUT THERE THAT GOVERN GENERALLY THE DEVELOPMENT NEAR EITHER SENSITIVE WATERWAYS, ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS. UH, PERHAPS THOSE COULD BE MORE ROBUST. UH, I'M NOT REALLY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK I'M IN A POSITION TO OPINE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON THAT, UM, IN AN OFFICIAL MANNER. UH, BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, I DON'T THINK THAT MYSELF AS A, AS A SENIOR PROJECT COORDINATOR ON PLANNING, I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN REALLY WEIGH INTO AND PROVIDE MY OWN EXPERT JUDGMENT ON. ALRIGHT. OKAY. COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS IF I COULD. SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION OR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, FOR THIS, UH, REQUEST WAS TH THREE. UM, OBVIOUSLY THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE M MF TWO. UM, THE DENSITY LIMITS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT FOR TH THREE, ARE 12 UNITS PER ACRE. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND SO IF MF TWO IS APPROVED, THE DENSITY THERE IS 36 UNITS PER ACRE, IS THAT CORRECT? WITH THE PARDON? UH, WITH MF TWO, THE BASE ZONING CODES IS WRITTEN, IT DOES LIMIT IT TO, I THINK, WELL, MF TWO DOES NOT HAVE A, UH, DWELLING UNIT DENSITY LIMIT. I SHOULD CLARIFY THAT. UM, WE DON'T HAVE A DWELLING UNIT DENSITY LIMIT ON MF TWO. UH, THE WAY THAT WE'VE NORMALLY REGULATED THE DWELLING UNIT DENSITY IN MF TWO WAS THROUGH THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS. SO FOR A STUDIO, IT'S 800 SQUARE FEET FOR A ONE BEDROOM, 1000 SQUARE FEET OF LOT AREA, SO ON AND SO FORTH. SBA 40, ONCE AGAIN, UH, IT, IT OVERRIDES THAT REGULATION THERE. UH, SO EFFECTIVELY SPEAKING WITH OUR MULTIFAMILY DISTRICTS, THERE ISN'T A FIXED, UH, DOLLING UNIT DENSITY LIMIT ANYMORE. UM, IT'S REALLY JUST UP TO KIND OF WHAT CAN BE FEASIBLY BUILT THERE WITH YOUR [01:55:01] SETBACK, LIMITATIONS, HEIGHT LIMITATIONS, LOT COVERAGE LIMITATIONS, AS WELL AS GENERAL SORT OF BUILDING CODE, UM, THAT'S GONNA DICTATE WHAT YOUR ACTUAL MAX LIMIT IS. UH, I WILL SAY WHAT THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO BUILD, UH, THE STATED INTENT, 48 UNITS ACROSS 3.52 ACRES IS ABOUT 13.6 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE NET. UM, AGAIN, THAT'S NOT, THERE'S NOTHING THAT FIXES THEM TO 48 UNITS. WE CAN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING THAT SPECIFICALLY FIXES THEM TO THAT. UH, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE DWELLING UNIT DENSITY IF THEY BUILT 48 UNITS ON 3.52 ACRES. SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY, IT COULD BE THE NUMBER OF UNITS COULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN THE 48 THAT THE APPLICANT IS, IS, IS SAYING THAT HE'LL HE'LL PUT IN, UH, IF THIS IS APPROVED FOR MF TWO, IS THAT CORRECT? IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE MORE THAN THAT. UM, I COULDN'T GIVE YOU A HARD NUMBER ON WHAT THE MAX LIMIT WOULD BE, UM, BUT IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE MORE THAN THAT. UH, I THINK THE PROPOSED LOT COVERAGE LIMITATION IT DOES, IT'S GONNA FORCE THEIR HAND A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF SHRINKING DOWN THE OVERALL FOOTPRINT. UM, BUT THERE'S NO, THERE, THERE WOULDN'T BE A FIXED LIMIT, NO. OKAY. AND SO IF THIS BODY APPROVED MF TWO, UH, TO BE CLEAR, IS IS THE APPLICANT RESTRICTED TO THE 48? NO, THERE'S NO, THERE, THERE WOULD BE NO, WITH THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, THERE WOULD BE NO HARD LIMIT ON 48 UNITS. UM, IT WOULD JUST KIND OF BE, IT WOULD BE THE, THE MAIN HARD LIMIT WOULD BE YOUR LOT COVERAGE OF 40%. AGAIN, THAT'S GONNA INHERENTLY RESTRICT SO MUCH OF THE FOOTPRINT AND WHAT YOU CAN REALLY BUILD IN THERE. BUT THERE WON'T BE A FIXED NUMBER OR A FIXED RATIO THAT DICTATES 48 UNITS. AND IF I COULD, WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH THE CASE REPORT, IT STATES THAT THE CITY IS ENGINEERING A CONNECTION BETWEEN NORTH BOULEVARD TERRACE AND NEARBY NORTH PLYMOUTH ROAD, WHICH WILL PROVIDE A SECONDARY POINT OF ACCESS TO THE STREET AND EASIER ACCESS TO NORTH HAMPTON ROAD. IS THAT SECONDARY POINT OF ACCESS STILL UNDER CONSIDERATION? NO, SIR. THAT WAS A FAILURE ON MY PART TO UPDATE THE REPORT WITH, UH, THE LATEST INFORMATION. MY UNDERSTANDING IS RIGHT NOW, THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE PLANS TO, UH, BUILD THAT. OKAY. AND SO, DOCUMENTATION THAT I'VE SEEN SUGGEST THAT IT'S NO LONGER CONS UNDER CONSIDERATION BY THE, THE HEAD OF, UM, AND I, FORGIVE ME, UM, THE HEAD OF TRANSPORTATION, WHAT HAVE YOU. SO IF, IF THAT'S THE CASE, UH, THEN MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE BRIDGE THAT WAS AT ONE TIME DISCUSSED IS, IS OFF THE TABLE YES. AND THAT INSTEAD THERE WILL BE A, UH, TURNAROUND CONSTRUCTED ON NORTH BOULEVARD TERRACE. IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING AS WELL? MY UNDERSTANDING IS A TURNAROUND WOULD PROBABLY BE THE MOST FEASIBLE OPTION THERE. UM, I THINK THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THE APPLICANT THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED AT PLATTING AND PERMITTING. UM, A LOT OF THAT'S GONNA BE DICTATED BY FIRE CODE AND JUST WHAT THEIR REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR APPARATUS ACCESS. UH, GENERALLY YOU EITHER NEED A TURNAROUND OR A HAMMERHEAD. AND, AND THE, THE FIRE CODE IS REALLY MY CONCERN HERE, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A TURNAROUND AND YOU HAVE THE DENSITY THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE, UM, PART OF THIS REQUEST, UM, I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT EMERGENCY VEHICLES BEING ABLE TO GET IN AND NAVIGATE, PARTICULARLY IF YOU HAVE AN ABUNDANCE OF ON STREET PARKING MM-HMM . UH, FROM THIS ADDITIONAL DENSITY. SO I HOPE THAT THAT'S BEING CONTEMPLATED. UH, WITH RESPECT TO ANY APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST FOR EITHER TH THREE OR MF TWO, CERTAINLY I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE, THAT, THAT'S CERTAINLY A CONSIDERATION. IT'S SOMETHING THAT GENERALLY IS MORE HANDLED AT, AGAIN, AT THE PERMITTING AND PLATTING STAGE, UH, BASED ON, WELL, FIRST THEY WOULD PLAT, AND THEN WHEN PERMITTING, BASED ON THE REALLY, IT'S PARTLY THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, UH, WHATEVER THEY'RE PROPOSING, THAT'S GONNA DRIVE A LOT OF WHAT'S REQUIRED AS FAR AS FIRE APPARATUS ACCESS. UM, I'M A LITTLE RUSTY ON MY FIRE CODE, BUT I BELIEVE IF IT'S 36 FEET IN HEIGHT OR GREATER, UH, THEN THAT REQUIRES A 26 FOOT WIDE FIRE, A FIRE APPARATUS ACCESS ROAD, UM, SPECIFICALLY TO ALLOW FOR AERIAL ACCESS. THERE'S OCCASIONALLY SOME EXCEPTIONS OR CHANGES THERE, BUT, UH, I WOULD CERTAINLY SAY THAT WE CAN REST ASSURED THAT, UH, AT THE PERMITTING STAGE, UH, THE FIRE CODE WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE FOLLOWED AND APPLIED, AND IT WOULD, IT WOULD ALL HINGE ON JUST WHATEVER THE PROPOSED FINAL FOOTPRINT AND PROFILE OF THE BUILDING IS. OKAY. AND MR. CHAIR, I'M ALMOST THERE. TAKE YOUR TIME. MULTIPLE INDIVIDUALS, INCLUDING HOMEOWNERS IN THE AREA, HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT COOMBS CREEK AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITY OF THAT, UH, WATERSHED. UH, WERE THESE CONCERN, UH, CONCERNS CONSIDERED BY THE PLANNING STAFF WHEN EVALUATING THIS CASE? I WOULD SAY THAT IN TERMS OF THE CONSIDERATION OF ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, I'D SAY WE GAVE THE SAME, I THINK THE SAME LEVEL OF CONSIDERATION THAT WE DO WITH ANY CASE THAT COMES BEFORE US. WE CERTAINLY LIKE TO SEE [02:00:01] SOMETHING SUCH AS WHAT'S BEING VOLUNTEERED HERE WITH THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, WITH ENVIRONMENTAL SETBACKS, SORT OF AN EXTRA, UH, AN EXTRA WORDS ESCAPING ME RIGHT NOW, LET'S JUST SAY AN EXTRA AFFIRMATION THAT THAT ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE ASSET WILL BE RESPECTED. UH, BUT AGAIN, I WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF THINGS THAT OCCUR DOWN THE PIPELINE OF ZONING AND OF ZONING CHANGES WHERE WE HAVE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS THAT REGULATE THAT SORT OF THING. WE HAVE THE OFFICE OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, AND, UH, QUALITY. AND WHAT'S THE S STAND FOR? WELL, WE HAVE OUR OFFICE OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, OEQS, AND I KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE REGULATIONS JUST IN GENERAL ABOUT BUILDING EITHER ON A FLOODPLAIN OR NEAR THE FLOODPLAIN NEAR, UH, ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS. UM, BUT THOSE ARE THE SORTS OF THINGS THAT ARE TYPICALLY HANDLED MORE DOWN THE ROAD AT PERMITTING. WHEN WE LOOK AT A CASE, EVEN IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NEXT TO A CREEK OR A RIVER, OUR MAIN CONCERN IS JUST DOES THE OVERALL LAND USE MAKE SENSE IN THE AREA, BOTH IN TERMS OF THE USES AND THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, EVERYTHING THAT'S KIND OF DOWN THE ROAD OF THAT, WHETHER IT'S ENVIRONMENTAL SAFETY OR WE CAN EVEN TALK ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS LIKE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY PERMITTING. FOR INSTANCE, WE HAVE CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS THAT COME BEFORE US. RIGHT. WITH S AND THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF, UH, BOTH TCEQ AND OEQS REGULATIONS. I THINK THAT REGULATE AND MANAGE THOSE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL THINK ABOUT, YEAH, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO PUT A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USE NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL, THAT'S GONNA RAISE A LOT OF RED FLAGS FOR US. BUT THAT'S REALLY JUST BASED ON IT BEING A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USE NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL AND NOT SO MUCH OF THE TECHNICAL DETAILS THAT IN TERMS OF IF IT WERE TO BE APPROVED, HOW WOULD THE POLLUTION AND ALL THAT BE MANAGED? THAT'S, I THINK, JUST HANDLED FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD. RIGHT. AND SO, IF I COULD, AGAIN, HAVING HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH DR. BECKHAM, UM, HE HAD A VIDEO THAT HE, HE WALKED ME THROUGH AND LITERALLY WALKING THROUGH THE CREEK BED MM-HMM . AND I NOTICED THAT ON DAVIS STREET, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S, THERE'S AN OVERPASS OR A BRIDGE THERE. UM, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE, THE, THE CONCRETE PILINGS, IF YOU WILL, WHERE THE WATER HAS ERODED AWAY UNDERNEATH THAT BRIDGE. AND, AND PRESUMABLY THE CITY'S GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO SOME GREAT EXPENSE, UH, TO, TO REMEDY THAT. THERE'S ALSO AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, UH, THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN IDENTIFIED BY THE CITY AS PROBLEMATIC IN A PROPERTY IN WHICH THE CITY WILL LIKELY HAVE TO PURCHASE IN ORDER TO, TO MITIGATE, UH, THE, THE CHANCES OF THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX FALLING INTO THE CREEK. MM-HMM . SO FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT, THIS IS A VERY, VERY SENSITIVE WATERSHED. I THINK THAT'S BEEN ILLUSTRATED OVER AND OVER AGAIN IN THE DOCUMENTATION THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED, UH, BY THE CONSERVANCY AS WELL AS, UH, DR. BECKHAM AND, AND HIS GROUP. UM, I, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES. COMMISSIONER COX, ARE YOU GETTING TO A QUESTION? JUST, JUST TO WRAP UP, I WOULD ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES TO DO DUE DILIGENCE WITH RESPECT TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS HERE. THANK YOU. GREAT. AND, AND COMMISSIONERS, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE MORNING TIME DURING OUR BRIEFING IS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS OR CO OR IF WE HAVE COMMENTS ON THE CASE, YOU KNOW, THOSE SHOULD BE RESERVED FOR THE, THE AFTERNOON WHEN WE'RE ACTUALLY AT THE PUBLIC HEARING IN, IN DEBATING A MOTION. I KNOW THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES ARE VERY IMPORTANT HERE, BUT WE DO RESERVE THIS TIME FOR QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER KUNTZ? YEAH. QUICK CLAR CLARIFICATION. UM, IS THE 20 FOOT ENVIRONMENTAL SETBACK YOU MENTIONED, UH, AS A DEED RESTRICTION MEASURED FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND NOT THE CENTER LINE OF THE CREEK? CORRECT. MY READING OF IT IS, IT'S MEASURED ALONG THE FLOODPLAIN LINE, SO WHEREVER THE FLOODPLAIN LINE WOULD BE, IT THEN EXTENDS 20 FEET FROM THERE, UM, INTO THE PROPERTY. OKAY. AND DOES THAT, DOES THAT SETBACK RESTRICT ALL DISTURBANCE WITHIN THAT 20 FEET OR ALL CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY? IT PROHIBITS THE CONSTRUCTION REPLACEMENT OF BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES AND OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACES. SO THERE, BECAUSE THERE'S A LITTLE THING HERE, RIGHT, WHERE IT'S SAYING THAT'S ALL PROHIBITED, BUT THEN IT SAYS YOU MUST HAVE A PEDESTRIAN TRAIL, AND IT MAY BE WITHIN THE ENVIRONMENTAL SETBACK, BUT IT HAS TO BE CONSTRUCTED WITH PERVIOUS OR SEMI IMPERVIOUS MATERIALS. SO THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW IT JIVES TOGETHER. UNDERSTAND. MR, CAN YOU MOVE YOUR MICROPHONE A LITTLE CLOSER? YEAH. DO YOU NEED ME TO REPEAT ANYTHING? UM, DID EVERYONE HEAR HIS QUESTIONS? OKAY. OKAY. OKAY, GOOD. THANKS. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. MR. HOUSEWRIGHT, UH, SIMILAR QUESTION TO COMMISSIONER KONZ. JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY THE DEED RESTRICTIONS A BIT. UH, ITEM FIVE TALKS ABOUT THE TRAIL THAT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED, AND I GUESS I'M TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT TRAIL IS ENTIRELY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, THAT THERE'S NO CONTEMPLATION OF THAT GOING INTO THE CITY OF DALLAS LAND, BUT IT [02:05:01] DOESN'T REALLY SAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING ABOUT HOW LONG THIS TRAIL IS OR IF IT LOOPS BACK, OR IT IS JUST PRETTY VAGUE IN IS, IN YOUR OPINION, IS THAT SATISFACTORY FOR THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS? SHOULD THERE BE MORE CLARITY TO THAT? I WOULD SAY THAT WE, WHEN WE HAVE PROVISIONS LIKE THIS, ESPECIALLY IN, IN PDS FOR INSTANCE, UH, WE USUALLY LIKE TO SEE A BIT MORE OF, A BIT MORE DETAIL ON, UM, A BIT MORE DETAIL ON LINEAR FOOTAGE, UM, CONNECTIVITY, IF THERE IS GONNA BE ANY, UH, WE'RE FINE WITH INTERNAL, UH, PRIVATE WALKWAYS AS WELL AS, UH, ONES THAT CONNECT TO PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY. UH, THE LATTER I THINK, SOMETIMES REQUIRES MAYBE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY JUST TO GO INTO THEIR RIGHT OF WAY OR OUR RIGHT OF WAY. UM, BUT WE DO GENERALLY LIKE TO SEE, UH, A LINEAR FOOTAGE IF POSSIBLE. THE ONLY THING I'LL ADD IS THAT WE, WE CAN'T, THIS IS, THIS RESTRICTION'S GONNA APPLY TO THIS PROPERTY. IT CAN'T GET INTO THE, THE CITY PROPERTY, AND IT CAN'T, I MEAN, IF THEY WORKED WITH THE CITY TO, TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN, BUT THIS REQUIREMENT CAN'T UN UNDERSTOOD. I JUST KNOW IF THERE WAS AN EXPECTATION THAT THEY DO THAT, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, I GUESS THESE BE DEED RESTRICTIONS. WE CAN'T ASK FOR ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE APPLICANT, BUT I THINK IT CAN BE DISCUSSED AND PERHAPS THEY WOULD, UH, OKAY. VERBALLY AMEND IT. UH, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS, I, I THINK A LOT OF THIS WAS PROMULGATED THROUGH DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I WASN'T PRIVY TO THOSE DISCUSSIONS. UH, I'M, I'M NOT AWARE OF WHAT THE EXPECTATION MAY HAVE BEEN. COLLEAGUES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I MAY JUST FOLLOW UP WITH, WITH ONE MORE? THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION ON EARLIER ABOUT THINGS LIKE STREET WIDTH, WHICH I THINK YOU, YOU MENTIONED GETS DEALT WITH AT, AT PLATTING AND ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, BECAUSE THESE ISSUES COME UP IN ZONING CASES FROM TIME TO TIME IN ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS, NEAR CREEKS AND OTHER AREAS, EVEN IF WE PASS THE ZONING TODAY, ANOTHER DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY WHEN IT COMES IN FOR ENVIRONMENTAL OR ENGINEERING REVIEW ON THINGS LIKE FLOODPLAIN AND RUNOFF MAY SAY THAT A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT CAN'T MOVE FORWARD AS, AS PROPOSED. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING I'D ADD IS THAT THE CURRENT ZONING OF OUR, YOU KNOW, CAN, YOU KNOW, DO THINGS POTENTIALLY TO MODIFY OR WORK AROUND THE, THE FLOODPLAIN AS WELL, IF THEY GO THROUGH THE PLA THE PLATTING PROCESS TO PLAT IT INTO SINGLE FAMILY LOTS. UM, SAME GOES FOR TH SO GENERALLY WE OFTEN THINK ABOUT LIKE THE NEW, THIS, THIS ZONING CHANGE THAT'S, UH, PROPOSED IN FRONT OF US, BUT IF THEY USE THEIR RIGHTS ON THE GROUND, UM, THEY CAN TO A DEGREE BUILD OR MODIFY NEAR, UM, FLOODPLAINS AS WELL. AND IT'S OFTEN A SIMILAR STANDARD, UM, TO SEE HOW MUCH THEY CAN MEDDLE IN THOSE AREAS. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. HALL, MR. BAT, DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW THE WIDTH OF NORTH BOULEVARD TERRACE? UH, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DO NOT. LEMME PULL UP THE REPORT REAL QUICK. I BELIEVE IT'S PLATTED FOR AROUND 20 FEET. LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND THAT REAL QUICK. BUT I THINK IT'S AROUND 20, 24 FEET. YOU'VE, YOU'VE DRIVEN UP, UP, UP THAT STREET, YOU KNOW? YES. AND I'M SURE YOU NOTICE THAT PEOPLE PARK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD. UH, HAS THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR TRAFFIC, WHEN THEY REVIEW THIS APPLICATION, DO THEY, DO THEY CONSIDER THE WIDTH OF THAT AND, AND CAN EMERGENCY VEHICLES PASS THROUGH TO EVEN GET TO THIS LOT BECAUSE PEOPLE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF A OF A STREET? UH, WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY FEEDBACK FROM FIRE, UH, INDICATING THAT ACCESS AT THIS, AT THIS TIME WOULD BE AN ISSUE. UM, DOING A QUICK MEASUREMENT ON GOOGLE STREET VIA LOOKS TO BE ABOUT A 2026 FOOT CURB TO CURB, UH, STREET, UH, WHICH IS PRETTY STANDARD IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. UM, BUT WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM FIRE ON DIFFICULTIES WITH ACCESS ON THIS, UH, ON THIS STREET. YEAH. AND, AND I'LL SAY THAT AGAIN, REGARDLESS OF SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PROVE AND MODIFY TO MEET SAFE ACCESS FOR FIRE. BUT WE OFTEN DON'T GET COMMENTS ON GENERAL ZONING CHANGES AT THIS STAGE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT, AS A DESIGN IN FRONT OF US, NOT ENFORCEABLE DESIGN. AND WHEN THEY GO THROUGH PLATTING, THEY WILL HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT. YEAH. SO EVEN IF WE APPROVE THIS, THEY'VE STILL GOT A BUNCH OF OBSTACLES TO GET THROUGH TO GET PERMITS OR, OR EVEN START THE PROJECT. THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER STAGES OF REVIEW THAT OCCUR, UH, AFTER ZONING CHANGE IS GRANTED. AND EVEN IF A ZONING CHANGE WEREN'T GRANTED, IF THEY WERE TO REPL THIS AND BUILD UNDER R SEVEN FIVE, THERE WOULD STILL BE REVIEWS MADE. IT'D PROBABLY BE ALL RIGHT IN TERMS OF THE STREET ACCESS, JUST 'CAUSE IT'S ALREADY R SEVEN FIVE, BUT THERE WOULD BE OVERSIGHT ON ANY OTHER PROXIMITY TO THE CREEK AND WHATNOT. THANK [02:10:01] YOU, COMMISSIONERS. ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? IS THERE AN ENHANCED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW ALONG LIKE, THIS IS COOMBS CREEK WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN KNOWN EROSION, YOU KNOW, DESTRUCTION PROBLEMS? 'CAUSE I KNOW THIS CREEK HAD, YOU KNOW, TOOK OUT THE COOMBS CREEK TRAIL, UM, YOU KNOW, AT THE BAR, LET'S SAY THE EASTERN END, UM, WHICH NECESSITATED COMPLETELY REBUILDING THE TRAIL. MM-HMM . AND IT ALSO NECESSITATED, UM, RELOCATION OF SOME WPA ERA PAVILIONS ON THE, UM, YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO THE CREEK MM-HMM . ON THE LONG STEVENS PARK GOLF COURSE. UM, SO THERE ARE KNOWN, UH, YOU KNOW, SERIOUS EROSION PROBLEMS HERE. AND I KNOW THIS IS HANDLED AT PERMITTING, BUT IS THERE, WE WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF, UM, UH, INFORMATION, UH, CONCERNS FROM NEIGHBORS ABOUT THIS. DO YOU KNOW IF THERE, OR IS THIS SOMETHING I COULD ASK SOMEONE ELSE AT THIS AFTERNOON? IF THERE IS HEIGHTENED SCRUTINY OF, OF, UH, LOCATIONS CLOSE TO CREEKS WHERE THIS PROBLEM HAS BEEN PREVALENT? UH, I'M NOT AWARE OF, UH, ADDITIONAL HEIGHTENED SCRUTINY ALONG COOMBS CREEK. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE ISN'T ANY, BUT SINCE AGAIN, IT'S MORE OF A FUNCTION I THINK AT DWU, UH, THAT WOULD BE BETTER SUITED FOR SOMEONE FROM THAT DEPARTMENT. IDEALLY, UH, WE COULD CERTAINLY TRY TO REACH OUT TO SOMEONE AND SEE IF THEY MIGHT BE AVAILABLE OR AT THE VERY LEAST, FOLLOW UP WITH THAT, UM, AND TRY TO GET AN ANSWER. UM, IF I MAY JUST KIND OF EDITORIALIZE FOR A MOMENT, UH, I THINK WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK ON, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTIONS AND ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITY. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE, I THINK IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO REMEMBER THAT WHEN WE ANALYZE ZONING CASES, ESPECIALLY FOR JUST FROM THE, THE LAND USE COMPATIBILITY, THE ZONING, UH, COMPATIBILITY, ET CETERA, WE'RE MOSTLY BOUND BY OUR AREA PLANS AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE DEVELOPMENT CODE. UH, I THINK THERE COULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE FOR, I DUNNO IF YOU WOULD CALL IT AN OVERLAY OR SOMETHING, BUT SOMETHING WHERE WE HAVE SORT OF A BUILT IN CHECK ON PROXIMITY TO CREEKS, INCREASED SETBACKS THAT JUST APPLY TO ANYTHING NEAR A CREEK, ET CETERA. UH, JUST SOMETHING I THINK FOR THE BODY TO CONSIDER. I KNOW THAT WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF A WHOLE LOT OF CODE FORM, AND I'M NOT GONNA KEEP ON YAPPING HERE, BUT JUST WANTED TO MAYBE PLANT THAT SEED IN EVERYONE'S HEAD. UM, WOULD FOLKS ON THE COMMISSION BE INTERESTED AT A FUTURE MEETING IN A BRIEFING ON THE REVIEW OF FLOODPLAIN AND RUNOFF AND OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS THAT HAPPENS DOWNSTREAM FROM US? I'M SEEING HEAD SHAKING AND HEADS NODDING, SO, UM, I MAY MORE INFORMALLY PULL PEOPLE AND FIGURE OUT WHETHER THAT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE OR NOT. UM, ALSO JUST TO MENTION THAT I BELIEVE IT'S IN, AT A VERY FUTURE MEETING, WE ARE GOING TO GET AN UPDATED BRIEFING ON SB EIGHT 40, SO WE HAVE THAT TO LOOK FORWARD TO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? COMMISSIONER COX, JUST ONE QUESTION, UH, REMAINING HERE. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DEED RESTRICTIONS, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT YOU'RE SHOWING US ARE PRIVATE DEED RESTRICTIONS, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, THESE WOULD BE PUBLIC DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT THE CITY WOULD BE PARTY TO. I'M SORRY, SAY AGAIN. THESE WOULD BE PUBLIC DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT THE CITY WOULD BE PARTY TO. UM, DO YOU HAVE A LOT OF FAMILIARITY WITH THE PUBLIC DEED RESTRICTION PROCESS? OKAY, SO THESE WOULD BE JUST LIKE OUR NORMAL, JUST ANY OTHER DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE SEEN COME BEFORE THIS BODY? UM, IT WOULD BE THE TYPE THAT THE CITY IS A PARTY TO. IT'S PART OF THE, ESSENTIALLY PART OF THE ZONING THAT APPLIES TO THE PROPERTY. AND SO IT WOULD BE REVIEWED IN TANDEM WITH, AGAIN, IF IT WERE GRANTED AN MF TWO WITH THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AT PERMITTING, THEY WOULD LOOK AT, WELL, IT'S MF TWO AND THERE'S ALSO THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS. PUT BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER. WHAT DOES THAT TELL US AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT ENTITLEMENTS? SO THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS CAN CHANGE? YES, THEY CAN CHANGE WHEN A PROPERTY OWNER WISHES TO, UH, AMEND THEM OR TERMINATE THEM. IT WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH, UH, IT WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH CPC, UH, TO BE AMENDED OR TERMINATED. THANK YOU. YES. JUST ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION THERE. WHEN IT GOES THROUGH TO TERMINATE HEAT RESTRICTIONS, THAT'S A WHOLE ZONING PLACE FOR THE CPC AND COUNCIL HAVE COMPLETE DISCRETION, RIGHT? CORRECT. ANY AMENDMENT OR TERMINATION OF DEED RESTRICTIONS? IT REQUIRES, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH CPC AND THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, BECAUSE IT'S ULTIMATELY, IT'S A LEGAL INSTRUMENT THAT THE CITY IS A PARTY TO, UH, IN FACT PRIVATE DEED RESTRICTIONS. IF THE ONLY PARTY TO IT IS THE PROPERTY OWNER, THEN THEY CAN JUST WIPE THEM OUT WHENEVER THEY WANT. OKAY. AND I'LL JUST ADD FOR SIMPLICITY, WE'RE NEVER GONNA SHOW YOU PRIVATE DUTY RESTRICTIONS. THAT TOO. COMMISSIONERS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. UM, I BELIEVE 27 AND 28 ARE BEING HELD. IS [02:15:01] THAT RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. UNTIL MARCH 26TH. MARCH 26TH. WHY DON'T WE TAKE ANOTHER FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND BE BACK AT, UH, 10 30 OR 1130? ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, LET'S GET BACK ON THE RECORD, UM, IN JUST A MINUTE. OKAY. WHATEVER, COMM. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, ARE YOU GONNA WANT 29 BRIEFED? OKAY. UH, WE'RE GOING TO, IT'S NOW 11:37 AM AND THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSIONER IS BACK ON THE RECORD. WE'RE GONNA BE ON CASE NUMBER 29 AND COMMISSIONER KINGSTON HAS A CONFLICT ON THIS ITEM, SO SHE'LL BE STEPPING OUT. SO LET'S GIVE HER A SECOND. ALRIGHT, SHE STEPPED OUT. SO, MR. BATE, WHEN YOU'RE READY. THIS IS ITEM 29, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 3 54, ALSO KNOWN AS Z 25 15. IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WITH MF TWO. A MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT USES ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R SEVEN FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE EAST CORNER OF WORTH STREET, NORTH PEAK STREET, APPROXIMATELY 40,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE, UH, OVER IN OLD EAST DALLAS. HERE'S THE AERIAL MAP. UH, IT'S CLOSE TO THE PEAKS, UH, PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION HISTORIC DISTRICT. UH, JUST ON THE OUTSIDE OF IT, THIS IS THE ZONING MAP. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S, UH, R 75 A ON ON THE IMMEDIATE SITE. AND THEN IN THE VICINITY, UH, TO THE NORTH WEST IS PD 98, WHICH HAS SINGLE FAMILY AND SOME SURFACE PARKING PD 3 71 TO THE NORTHEAST, WHICH IS MULTIFAMILY AND PD 9 79 MULTIFAMILY. AND THEN PD 1 71 TO THE SOUTHWEST WITH SINGLE FAMILY. UH, THE SITE IS CURRENTLY VACANT, HAS A SURFACE PARKING LOT, AND THE APPLICANT WISHES TO DEVELOP MULTIFAMILY AND PROPOSE A NEW PD WITH A DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO PROMOTE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE ADJACENT NEARBY SINGLE FAMILY. HERE'S SOME SITE PHOTOS SHOWING THE SITE. UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, WITH PEAK AND W STREET LOOKING NORTH HERE, WE SEE SOME OF THOSE NEARBY HOUSES LOOKING NORTHEAST. UH, THIS IS A IMAGE OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T HAVE MORE ZOOMED IN DETAIL HERE, UH, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THE WAY THE BUILDING IS LAID OUT, THERE ARE THESE SORT OF INSETS IN HERE, UH, THAT PUSH IT BACK AND SORT OF CREATE SOME BREAKUPS OF THE, UH, OVERALL BUILDING FACADE. UH, THEY HAVE PARKING PROPOSED DOWN HERE, INCLUDING SOME TANDEM PARKING SPOTS. UH, THE PRIMARY FRONTAGE IS GONNA BE ALONG WORTH STREET, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE FRONTAGE ALONG PEAK STREET AS WELL. UH, THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO ADDED A FACADE PLAN, WHICH SHOWS AGAIN, THE DEPTHS OF THOSE CUTOUTS. SO IT'S 40 FEET THERE, AND THEN HAVING ONE FOOT ARTICULATIONS ALONG THE FRONT, UH, FACADES AS WELL. THIS IS FOR THE WIRTH STREET VOID RATIO AND FACADE ARTICULATION. AND THEN HERE'S THE PEAK STREET VOID RATIO FACADE ARTICULATION, UH, COMPARISON OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. UM, WITH THE PROPOSED PD COMPARED TO JUST BASE MF TWO, YOU'LL HAVE THE SAME FRONT SETBACKS. THE SIDE AND REAR SETBACKS WERE SET TO 10 FEET AROUND THE BOARD VERSUS, UM, VERSUS 15 FOOT REAR, UH, DWELLING UNIT DENSITY. SAME THING APPLIES, BUT SP EIGHT 40 PREEMPTS THAT, UH, THE HEIGHT IT IS BEING PROPOSED TO LIMIT TO TWO STORIES. UH, SB EIGHT 40 DOES ALLOW, ALLOW A MINIMUM OF 45 FEET IN HEIGHT. UM, OUR INTERPRETATION OF SBA 40 IS IT'S VERY STRICT ON HEIGHT. WE HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN AS MUCH INFO ON THE STORY LIMITATIONS, UM, BUT WE BELIEVE YOU COULD, I GUESS YOU COULD THEORETICALLY HAVE TWO STORIES AND 45 FEET, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD LOOK. LOT COVERAGE WOULD REMAIN THE SAME AS WELL. THE SIDE AND REAR SETBACKS ARE SET TO 10 FEET. UH, THE LANDSCAPING IS MODIFIED TO ALLOW JUST A MINIMUM FIVE FOOT DEPTH RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY BUFFER ZONE AS OPPOSED TO, I BELIEVE IT'S A 10 FOOT AVERAGE. UH, PARKING IS, UH, [02:20:01] 19 SPACES WOULD BE REQUIRED AND 42 ARE PROVIDED PER THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THE DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, SIX FOOT WIDE SIDEWALKS IMPROVED PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS AND PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES ARE AMONG THEM. A MINIMUM OF 60% OF THE GROUND LEVEL UNITS MUST BE CONNECTED TO THE SIDEWALK. AGAIN, THIS HELPS PROMOTE WALKABILITY AND COMPATIBILITY. PEDESTRIAN SCALE LIGHTING IS REQUIRED. THERE'S A 10% MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF OPEN SPACE AND THERE'S FACADE ARTICULATION AND RECESS SPACES REQUIRED IN THE LANGUAGE THERE. UH, IT IS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, UH, THE BIG CONCERN IS, WELL, WHERE DOES MULTIFAMILY MAKE SENSE? UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT KIND OF THE FABRIC OF THE AREA OVERALL, A LOT OF IT IS DESIGNATED AS NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE AS WELL. AND THEN DOWN TO THE SOUTHWEST IS INSTITUTIONAL CAMPUS FOR THE, UH, HOSPITALS. UM, SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT'S HERE THAT'S ON A CORNER LOT THAT'S ADJACENT TO NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE THAT'S IN STAFF'S VIEW, A MORE COMPELLING LOCATION AS CITING FOR SOMETHING LIKE MULTIFAMILY FROM RESIDENTIAL, UH, COMPARED TO SOMETHING IF IT WERE MORE TUCKED INTO THE, INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, THE PD DOES ALLOW FOR IMPROVED COMPATIBILITY, WHICH I THINK IS IN FURTHERANCE OF THE FORWARD DALLAS 2.0 GOALS, WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT ADDRESSES PUTTING MULTIFAMILY INTO, UH, SINGLE FAMILY AREAS OR SINGLE FAMILY ZONING. UH, A GOAL IS TO TRY AND HAVE GOOD COMPATIBILITY WHERE POSSIBLE, UH, A LOT OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE GENERALLY DOABLE UNDER THE BASE MF TWO A, BUT IT WOULD, UM, HAVE A LARGER LANDSCAPE BUFFER ZONE. UH, BUT THAT BEING SAID, THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE WITHIN THE PD DO GREATLY IMPROVE THE PEDESTRIAN REALM AND CREATE A MORE WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT FOR THE BUILDING RESIDENTS AND THEIR NEIGHBORS AS WELL. UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF A, SO PLANNING CONDITIONS. THANK YOU MR. BATE. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? I HAVE A FEW, BUT IF MY COMMISSION FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY. ALRIGHT, I'LL BEGIN. UM, THE SETBACKS THAT ARE DEFINED, IS IT CORRECT THAT THE SETBACKS FOR THE FRONT YARD WILL BE CONSIDERED TO INCLUDE BOTH PEAK AND WORTH STREET? SO THEY'LL BOTH HAVE THE 15 FOOT SETBACK? I BELIEVE SO, YES. THEY'RE IS A CORNER LOT. WE GENERALLY WILL SAY BOTH OF THOSE ARE FRONT STREETS AND OR FRONT YARDS AND THEY'RE NOMINALLY SQUARE, UM, SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS A COMBINATION OF LOTS SO THAT THE, UM, YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCIES ON THE OTHER TWO FRONTAGES, SO THOSE WILL BOTH BE CONSIDERED SIDE YARDS, IS THAT CORRECT? YI BELIEVE SO. WELL, DOESN'T APPLY DE DEFER TO MICHAEL MADE I FACE, THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO THE MULTIFAMILY USE. SO THEY STILL HAVE TO MEET THE, THE MORE INTENSE SETBACK IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SINGLE, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SUBJECT SIDE, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SUBJECT SIDE. YES. YEAH. SO IT WOULD BE MORE, I THINK, THINK THAT THE, THE HOMES NEARBY MAY HAVE SIDE YARDS, BUT UM, THEY STILL HAVE AS A MULTIFAMILY USE. THERE'S THE ADJACENCY THAT'S TRIGGERED SO IT GOES TO 15, RIGHT? OR NO? WELL, I'M HAPPY TO CONTINUE THIS YEAH. UM, CONVERSATION TO GET A CLARIFICATION WHEN WE GET TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. SURE. UM, THE REASON WHY I WANTED TO, UM, ASK THAT QUESTION WAS BECAUSE YOU NOTED IN YOUR, UM, PLAN AND IN OUR CONDITIONS THAT THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER IS REDUCED TO FIVE FEET. UM, HOWEVER, UM, AND I'M GONNA CALL IT ON THE SOUTH SIDE, UM, THAT'S, UM, OFF OF PEAK STREET FOR CLARIFICATION. MM-HMM . I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA GO TO THE SIDE OR NOT, BUT THERE'S A GREATER BUFFER SHOWN BECAUSE IT'S DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO EFFECTIVELY A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE'S FRONT YARD. RIGHT. AND SO THE PARKING IS ORIENTED THERE, UM, BUT THEY DO HAVE A GREATER BUFFER THAN FIVE FEET ON THAT. YES. OKAY. YEAH, IT'S JUST, I THINK THE LANGUAGE IS TOO, THAT WAS REALLY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO IS WHERE THEY ARE. YEAH. BECAUSE THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHAT THE LANGUAGE WOULD INITIALLY INDICATE. YEAH. I THINK THE LANGUAGE IS MADE TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THE, UH, WHAT WOULD BE, I GUESS, BUFFER ON GUESS NORTHERN BUFFER, CORRECT. OR THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. THANK YOU. UM, AND THEN YOU SPOKE ABOUT THE FACADE PLAN AND THE INDENTS. UM, I THINK YOU'RE AWARE THERE'S A LOT OF COMMUNITY CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW TO, UM, ADDRESS COMPATIBILITY. AND SO CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE, AND I THINK YOU COVERED 'EM IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, BUT THERE, THERE'S REALLY KIND OF THREE MAIN ITEMS THAT ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT SCALE AND COMPATIBILITY. COULD YOU MM-HMM . UM, JUST HIGHLIGHT THOSE? YEAH, CERTAINLY. IN TERMS OF THE, UM, I THINK THE WAYS TO ADDRESS THE COMPATIBILITY ONE IS THE OVERALL BUILT SCALE. UM, I THINK BY HAVING, YOU KNOW, THE TWO STORY LIMIT, AGAIN, IT, IT GETS A LITTLE ODD I THINK WITH SP EIGHT 40, BUT THE INTENTION THERE IS WITH TWO STORIES THAT REALLY IS PRETTY COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT'S GENERALLY FOUND ALONG PEAK AND W STREETS. YOU DO HAVE A LOT OF TWO STORY BUILDINGS, ESPECIALLY ALONG ANY OF THE, UM, EITHER EXISTING OR HISTORIC COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS. THAT WAS THE VERNACULAR BACK THEN. TWO STORIES, A BAKERY AND A BAKER LIVES ABOVE IT, THAT SORT OF THING. UM, THERE'S THE, SORRY, THE VOIDS THERE, UH, THAT HELPS TO, I THINK, BREAK UP THE OVERALL KIND OF SILHOUETTE OF THE BUILDING. UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT JUST OLDER, MORE HISTORIC PARTS OF TOWN, WHETHER IT'S DALLAS OR REALLY ANYWHERE IN THE US, EVEN IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE ALL, [02:25:01] YOU KNOW, NEXT TO EACH OTHER, NO, NO SEPARATION, THEY TYPICALLY ALL LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT. IT CREATES A VISUAL SEPARATION FOR THE, UH, FOR THE PEDESTRIAN CONTEMPORARY BUILDING. OFTEN IN ORDER TO MAXIMIZE SQUARE FOOTAGE, IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY OF THOSE VOIDS. UM, BY HAVING THOSE VOIDS, IT HELPS JUST BREAK UP THE IMAGE YOU'RE WALKING ALONG THE STREET. INSTEAD OF JUST HAVING A, LET'S SAY I CAN'T READ THAT FAR ONTO THE MAP, LET'S JUST SAY INSTEAD OF 60 FEET OF WALL, YOU GOT 20 FEET, THEN OH, THERE'S, THERE'S A VOID HERE. SO AGAIN, THAT HELPS CREATE, I THINK MORE OF THAT, UH, SORT OF OLD TIME MAIN STREET USA TYPE OF FIELD, SO TO SPEAK. UM, AND THEN I KNOW THAT THERE'S ALSO, UH, I THINK, UH, YOU MENTIONED THERE WILL BE, UH, UH, YOU'LL BE INTERESTED IN ADDING SOME TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS. AGAIN, I THINK HAVING THE TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS, IT DOES HELP WITH IMPROVING THE STREETSCAPE AND MAKING PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY'RE WALKING BY A COMMUNITY AND NOT JUST A LARGE, UH, A LARGE MONOLITH. UH, AND FINALLY THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY THAT'S CREATING SORT OF THAT, MAYBE NOT A FRONT PORCH, BUT AGAIN THAT WALKABLE URBAN, ALL TIME RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL. SO BY HAVING, UM, THE FACADES THAT ESSENTIALLY ADDRESS BOTH OF THE STREET FRONTAGES, UM, THE APPEARANCE OF BREAKING UP OF THE BUILDINGS, WHICH, UM, I THINK IS A HISTORIC, UM, PATTERN WITHIN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. MM-HMM . YOU MENTIONED GENERALLY, AND THEN THINKING ABOUT THE HEIGHT SO THAT IT ALL SORT OF TIES TOGETHER, UM, YOUR PRESENTATION SHOWED THAT THIS SITE IS CURRENTLY A PARKING LOT. YES. UM, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT PARKING LOT WAS SERVING HISTORICALLY? I'M NOT AWARE. UM, WOULD YOU BE SURPRISED THAT IT'S THE ADJACENT EAST ALICE CHRISTIAN CHURCH? I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED. . SO, UM, I JUST NOTE I AM AWARE THAT IS WHAT IT MM-HMM . HAS HISTORICALLY SERVED. UM, AND HAVE YOU SEEN THE SANBORN MAPS THAT ORIGINALLY SHOWED HOW THESE LOTS WERE DEVELOPED WITHIN THE OVERALL CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? I HAVE NOT. I'D BE VERY CURIOUS TO SEE THOSE. I WILL BE HAPPY TO SHARE THOSE WITH YOU. AND THEN SPEAKING TO THAT, IMMEDIATELY ACROSS WORTH STREET IS THE PEAKS EDITION HISTORIC DISTRICT. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. AND THAT ACTUALLY CONTINUES TO THE OTHER SIDE OF PEAK STREET AS WELL? YES. AND PICKS UP THE CHURCHES AND THERE'S SOME OTHER RESIDENCES ON THAT, ON THAT SIDE AS WELL? CORRECT. OKAY. UM, I THINK THOSE ARE MY MAIN QUESTIONS. OTHER COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE SOME, BUT THANK YOU MR. BATON. THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR ASSISTANCE IN REVIEWING THE CASE. HAPPY TO HELP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU BOTH. AND WE'RE HAPPY TO COME BACK TO YOU FOR A SECOND ROUND IF MORE POP UP. MR. CARPENTER, UH, WE GOT A, UH, A NUMBER OF EMAILS, UH, EXPRESSING CONCERNS ABOUT VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THIS CASE. AND ONE OF THEM, UH, WAS ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S DESIRE TO NOT HAVE GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITIES, OR I THINK IT WAS REHABILITATION FACILITIES ON THIS SITE. UM, EVEN THOUGH THIS DEFAULTS TO THE PD DEFAULTS TO MF TWO, UM, A REHABILITATION FACILITY WOULD, WOULD FALL UNDER WHAT COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER? IS THAT CORRECT? THAT WOULD REQUIRE AN SUP AND AND MULTIFAMILY? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THERE'S, I THINK A LOT OF DIFFERENT, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES THAT WHAT PEOPLE MIGHT CALL A, A GROUP HOME, A RESIDENTIAL FACILITY, ET CETERA, FALL UNDER. UH, I KNOW THAT UNDER MF TWO, I BELIEVE GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITIES ARE PERMITTED, ALBEIT THERE ARE PROVISIONS THERE WHERE IF THEY'RE WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET AN EXISTING ONE AND THEY NEED TO GET AN SUP, UM, I BELIEVE HANDICAP GROUP DWELLING UNITS IS ANOTHER KIND OF USE WHERE I THINK THERE ARE SIMILAR PROVISIONS WHERE IF IT'S WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET, THAT'S ONLY IF IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY. RIGHT. I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK. THEN THERE'S USES SUCH AS, UM, WHAT IS IT? I KNOW HALFWAY HOUSE FOR INSTANCE, IS A USE, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S PERMITTED IN, UH, IN MF TWO. SO THAT WOULD NOT BE, THAT ONE WOULDN'T BE A CONCERN. BUT I'M JUST PULLING UP HERE. SO THE ONES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED WITHIN MF TWO COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER REQUIRES AN SUP. AND I DON'T BELIEVE THOSE WILL ALLOW LODGING OR OVERNIGHT STAYING. IT'S JUST THE COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER, WHICH REALLY RUNS THE GAMUT. THERE IS A CHILD OR ADULT CARE FACILITY THAT'S JUST KIND OF NORMALLY THEIR DAYCARE OR FOR CHILDREN OR ADULTS FOSTER HOME. THAT'S, I THINK, EXPLANATORY. EXCUSE ME. IT SEEMED LIKE THEIR CONCERNS WERE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THOSE TWO USES. YES. BUT, AND THIS IS A PD USAGE CAN BE ALLOWED OR DISALLOWED? YES. JUST, I MEAN, 'CAUSE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT DEED RESTRICTIONS, BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE NECESSARY IN A PD. NO. THEY COULD JUST LIMIT IT WITH THE PD. UM, BUT I WAS JUST LOOKING THROUGH AND CONFIRMING ALL THOSE. RIGHT. SO GROUP PRESIDENTIAL FACILITY, LEMME JUST GET, GET THE REGULATIONS REAL QUICK. IT'S ALLOWED IN MF TWO, BUT IT REQUIRES AN SUP IF IT'S WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF ANOTHER FACILITY. RIGHT. OKAY. UH, THANK YOU. UH, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT PARKING, UH, BECAUSE THE, UM, PD DEFAULTS JUST TO CHAPTER 51 A AND I KNOW THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT, UM, THERE BEING TANDEM PARKING AS PART OF THE PARKING HERE. AND ALSO, UM, APPARENTLY SOMEONE AT A COMMUNITY MEETING ALLUDED TO THE POSSIBILITY THAT THEY MIGHT CHARGE RESIDENTS FOR PARKING. CAN [02:30:01] YOU, UH, COMMENT ON, ON EITHER OF THOSE ISSUES AND HOW THOSE ARE ADDRESSED IN 51 A? YES. ONE MOMENT. I'M JUST PULLING UP MY DEVELOPMENT PLAN HERE. I WILL NOTE THAT THEY CAN, THEY CAN CHARGE FOR PARKING. UM, I THINK IT'S ON A MONTHLY BASIS IN THE, IN THE EXISTING CODE. UM, BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO PROVIDE WHATEVER THE MINIMUM IS, WHICH IS DEPENDENT ON THE SIZE OF THE MULTIFAMILY PROJECT. THE, THE, THE CORRESPONDENCE THAT WE GOT SEEMED TO BE CONCERNED THAT ANY, UM, ALLOWANCE OF CHARGING FOR PARKING WOULD DRIVE THE, UM, VEHICLES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS USE ONTO THE CITY STREETS, WHICH, UH, THE NEIGHBORS THOUGHT WOULD BE A PROBLEM. IS THERE A, A, IS IT POSSIBLE TO PROHIBIT CHARGING FOR PARKING IN A PD? I THINK WE'RE CONFERRING WITH THE, UH, CAO ON THAT. I'M, I'M NOT, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, UNFORTUNATELY. OKAY. AND, UH, TANDEM PARKING, I, I'VE NEVER SEEN TANDEM PARKING IN A SERVICE PARKING LOT FOR A MM-HMM . FOR A, AN APARTMENT. UM, ARE, ARE THERE ANY RULES ABOUT TANDEM PARKING? THERE ARE, ARE SOME RULES ON TANDEM PARKING. AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL NEED TO PULL UP REALLY QUICKLY. I UNDERSTAND IT'S ALLOWING THEM TO PROVIDE MORE PARKING THAN THEY MIGHT THEY, THAT THEY HAVE TO OR, BUT YEAH, I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO WRAP MY HAND HEAD AROUND THE FUNCTIONALITY OF IT. LEMME TAKE A LOOK. I CAN JUMP IN A LITTLE WHILE. YOU'RE, WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING. UM, SO THE QUESTION IS ABOUT, I'M, I'M SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION ABOUT TANDEM PARKING? IS IT ALLOWED? YES. WELL, 'CAUSE THE, UH, PD JUST DEFAULTS TO 51 A AND I KNOW THERE'S A PROPOSAL, UH, THE SITE PLAN HERE, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHATEVER. YEAH. DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOWS THAT THERE'S TANDEM PARKING AND I, IT'S, YEAH. TANDEM PARKING IS NOT TYPICALLY ALLOWED UNDER 51 A, UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT MEETING THE MANEUVERING REQUIREMENTS. UM, IT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH A PACKED PARKING AGREEMENT. AND THAT'S TYPICALLY FOR LIKE A NON-RESIDENTIAL USE WHERE THERE, THERE MUST BE ATTENDANCE AVAILABLE TO MOVE THE CARS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND SUCH. YES. YEAH. SO, SO HAS IT EVER BEEN APPROVED? I MEAN, I'M TRYING, I MEAN, I WOULD, WE MAY HAVE A, HAVE SOME PDS THAT ALLOW FOR TANDEM PARKING. I KNOW PD 1 93 DOES SPECIFICALLY REFER TO TANDEM PARKING AND CALLS IT OUT, BUT NOT 51 A, UM, BUT IN A SURFACE PARKING LOT FOR A RESIDENTIAL FOR YEAH. APARTMENT. UH, SO I THINK IT'S MORE OFTEN IN A, LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST TWO CARS YOU'RE DEALING WITH. RIGHT. SO, UM, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE MORE, WELL, I DID PULL UP AND WE CAN MAYBE TALK ABOUT THE SOFTBALL AND GET BACK, BUT PULLING UP THE SPECIAL PARKING REGULATIONS IN 51 A, IT DOES STATE THAT TANDEM PARKING IS ALLOWED FOR MULTI-FAMILY LIVING AND THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OF A MIXED USE PROJECT. UM, BUT THAT TWO PARKING SPACES IN TANDEM MUST HAVE A COMBINED MINIMUM DIMENSION OF NINE FEET IN WIDTH BY 34 FEET IN LENGTH. DID YOU SAY ONLY AS PART OF A MIXED USE PROJECT? NO, IT SAID IS ALLOWED FOR SINGLE FAMILY LIVING, MULTI-FAMILY LIVING, AND THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OF THE PROJECT. OKAY. SO I BELIEVE THE SPECIAL PARKING REGULATIONS DO ALLOW FOR IT. I'LL AGREE THAT IT'S NOT THAT COMMON ON MULTI-FAMILY PROJECTS. BUT MY READING OF THIS IS THAT SPECIAL PARKING REGULATIONS, IT ALLOWS TANDEM PARKING AND THAT SPECIAL PARKING, IT'S, IT'S CONSIDERED A SPECIAL PARKING REGULATION. GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT MAY ACCOUNT FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE PARKING REQUIRED FOR ANY USE. UM, ONE MOMENT. SPECIAL PARKING MAY NOT BE LOCATED IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT EXCEPT HMM. BUT WOULD THERE BE SEPARATE MANEUVERABILITY REQUIREMENTS THAT MS. WEIMER WAS ALLUDING TO? I THINK THE MAIN MANEUVERABILITY REQUIREMENT IS THE, UH, THE DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS OF A MINIMUM OF NINE FEET IN WIDTH BY 34 FEET IN LENGTH. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. YEP. COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? BACK TO YOU, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW, AND I APOLOGIZE IF I JUMPED IN FRONT OF ANYONE. I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON THE QUESTION ON THE GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL BE FOR MS. WEER OR MS. MORRISON, BUT IS IT POSSIBLE TO RESTRICT THOSE WITHIN THE PD? SO I, FOR GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY, NOT HANDICAPPED GROUP. DWELLING UNIT SPECIFICALLY. THAT'S RIGHT. ANYWHERE SINGLE FAMILY IS ALLOWED, WE HAVE TO ALLOW A HANDICAPPED GROUP. DWELLING UNIT. BUT YOU COULD RESTRICT OUT THE GROUP. WHAT IS IT? GROUP, GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY CAN BE RECENTLY RESIDENTIAL FACILITY. THANK YOU MS. MORRISON. COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER [02:35:01] QUESTIONS? OKAY. DO WE NEED 30 OR 31? OH WAIT. UH, LET'S GIVE COMMISSIONER KINGSTON A MOMENT TO REJOIN US NOW THAT WE'RE DONE WITH BRIEFING THAT CASE. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. UM, DO YOU NEED 30 OR 31 BRIEF, THOSE TWO LOWER GREENVILLE SUVS? UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. OKAY, MR. PEPE? MR. PEPE, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE POINT OF PD 8 42 IS IN LARGE PART TO HAVE LATE NIGHT SUVS. THAT'S THE BIGGEST, PROBABLY THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE C BASE CR AND THAT PD. AND YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE SUP WOULD BE PERMANENT? YES. YOU UNDERSTAND THAT HAVING A PERMANENT SUP FOLLOWS THE LAND, NOT THE OPERATOR. YES. AND SO, WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THAT LARGELY MAKES THE IMPACT OF PD 8 42? UM, IT, IT DEF LARGELY DEFEATS THE POINT OF PD 8 42. IF WE MAKE LATE NIGHT SUVS PERMANENT. NO, I, I WOULDN'T, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SUVS STILL HAVE OTHER LIMITS ON THEM. THEY RESTRICT, UH, THEY RESTRICT, UH, USES TO SPATIAL THINGS THAT ARE PUT IN THE CONDITIONS. EVEN SOMETIMES SOME OPERATIONAL THINGS THAT ARE PUT IN THE CONDITIONS, UM, THOSE STILL ARE APPLICABLE. AND THAT'S PRIMARILY HOW SPECIFIC USE PERMITS WORK. THEY PUT, UM, ADDITIONAL GUIDELINES OR LIMITS ON A USE. SO I, I WOULDN'T, I WOULD NOT SAY IT VOIDS THE PURPOSE OF THE, THE PD. WELL, YOU SAW THE, UM, EMAIL FROM THE PRESIDENT OF LOWER GREENVILLE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I DID. AND MY EMAIL TO YOU ON TOP OF THAT, I, ONE MORE TIME. THAT LAST AND THE EMAIL I SENT YOU IN CONJUNCTION WITH IT. YES. AND THE LITANY OF EMAILS FROM ALL THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND RESIDENTS. UM, DOES STAFF HAVE ANY RESPONSE TO ALL OF THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE WORKED SO HARD TO CREATE THIS SUP PROCESS TO PROTECT THEIR COMMUNITY AND YOUR INSISTENCE ON CONTINUING TO RECOMMEND, UM, LIMITLESS SUVS? YEAH, NO, NO. TOTALLY. UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, RECOMMENDATIONS, JUST A RECOMMENDATION. THIS BODY STILL HAS ANY ABILITY, UM, AND AS DOES COUNSEL TO MAKE ANY FINAL DECISION. OTHERWISE, I THINK THERE STILL IS AN SUP PROCESS. I THINK THIS SUP IS STILL MEANINGFUL WHEN IT'S PERMANENT. UM, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE NOT ONLY HAVE ABOUT 13, 1400 PDS IN THE CITY, 700 OF THOSE, ACTUALLY 800 OF THOSE ARE PERMANENT. SO WE STILL HAVES IN THE CITY AND THE MAJORITY OF THEM, 58% ARE, UM, PERMANENT. SO THOSE S ARE STILL MEANINGFUL AND LIMITING THOSE USES OUT THERE. SO I DON'T, I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE INTERRUPTING AN SEP PROCESS. OUR S ARE STILL MEANINGFUL BECAUSE OF THE CONDITIONS AND OTHER, UM, THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO ENFORCE REGARDING THEM. SO, UH, IT DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT THE RECOMMENDATION 'CAUSE THAT RECOMMENDATION IS STILL BASED ON ZONING LAND USE. UM, BUT I'M, I'M HAPPY THAT THE CPC AND THE COUNCIL CAN STILL MAKE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS. WHY ARE YOU NOW RECOMMENDING THAT THEY BE LIMITLESS IN TERMS OF TIME? WHAT'S A CHANGE FOR STAFF? WHY NOW? WHY IS THAT CHANGE TIME? UH, I BELONG, YOU SEE, I DON'T KNOW. UM, WELL, PART OF IT IS THE RESEARCH THAT'S BEEN DONE THAT IT'S NOT REALLY BEST PRACTICE TO HAVE THESE EXPIRE. UM, WE'RE TRYING TO MODERNIZE OUR CODE. WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP OUR, OUR CITY PROTECTED FROM A PERMITTING PROCESS, A PLANNING PROCESS PERSPECTIVE, UM, AND A LEGAL, UM, PERSPECTIVE. SO JUST, UH, CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE GONE ON ON THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. WHEN YOU SAY BEST PRACTICE, HOW HAS IT CHANGED? WHY IS IT NOW BEST PRACTICE TO HAVE LIMITLESS SUVS IN THIS CONTEXT? RESEARCH AROUND THE COUNTRY, IT'S NOT PRETTY TYPICAL TO HAVE USES THAT DISAPPEAR ARE ENTITLEMENTS THAT DISAPPEAR [02:40:01] AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. WELL, YOU UNDERSTAND THOUGH, IN THIS CONTEXT, THE LATE NIGHT SUP IS DESIGNED TO INCENTIVIZE OPERATORS TO BE GOOD OPERATORS. SO IT'S LIKE A CARROT AND A STICK, RIGHT? THE SUP, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THOSE IS NOT GONNA CONSIDER OPERATORS. OKAY. I CAN SEE WE'RE JUST NEVER GONNA AGREE ON THIS. SO WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE. NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THESE ITEMS? I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE A HEALTHY DISCUSSION THIS AFTERNOON. OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES OUR ZONING ITEMS. UM, DO WE NEED ANY OF THE, UH, SIGNS BRIEFED? OKAY, IT IS 12:02 PM AND THAT CONCLUDES THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION. WE'LL BE BACK AT 1230. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON [CALL TO ORDER] EVERYONE. IT IS 12:36 PM ON THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 5TH, 2026. AND THIS IS THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION. CAN WE START OFF WITH THE ROLL CALL MS. LOPEZ? GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER SIMS? I'M HERE. DISTRICT TWO. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. PRESENT DISTRICT THREE. VICE CHAIR. HERBERT PRESENT? DISTRICT FOUR. COMMISSIONER FORSETH. DISTRICT FIVE. COMMISSIONER SERATO. HERE. DISTRICT SIX. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. PRESENT. DISTRICT SEVEN. COMMISSIONER WHEELER. REAGAN. PRESENT? DISTRICT EIGHT. COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN PRESENT? DISTRICT NINE. COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER, UH, KONZ HERE. DISTRICT 10. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. PRESENT? DISTRICT 11. COMMISSIONER COX? HERE. DISTRICT 12. COMMISSIONER KAUFMAN. HERE. DISTRICT 13. COMMISSIONER HALL HERE. DISTRICT 14. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON HERE AND PLACE 15 CHAIR RUBEN? I'M HERE. YOU HAVE A QUORUM, SIR. GREAT. WELL THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR JOINING US HERE TODAY. UM, JUST A FEW HOUSEKEEPING NOTES BEFORE WE DIVE INTO OUR AGENDA. UM, IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM OR FIRST OFF, THERE ARE COPIES OF OUR AGENDA DOWN, UP FRONT TO MY LEFT, YOUR RIGHT ON THAT TABLE. SO IF ANYONE NEEDS ONE, FEEL FREE TO WALK DOWN AND AND GRAB IT. UM, IF YOU DO INTEND TO SPEAK TO US TODAY, THERE ARE LITTLE YELLOW CARDS ON MY LEFT, YOUR RIGHT. BE SURE TO FILL THOSE OUT SO WE HAVE A RECORD OF ALL OF OUR PUBLIC SPEAKERS. UM, OUR RULES TYPICALLY GIVE, UH, PUBLIC SPEAKERS ON THE ITEM THREE MINUTES THAT WE DO RESERVE THE RIGHT TO CHANGE THAT IF THERE ARE, UM, A LOT OF SPEAKERS ON A PARTICULAR ITEM. AND THE RULES DO GIVE, UH, IF THERE'S OPPOSITION ON THE ITEM, THE APPLICANT A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL. SO IT GOES APPLICANT PROPONENTS OPPOSITION, IF THERE IS, AND THEN IF THERE IS OPPOSITION, UM, REBUTTAL. AND WITH THAT, WE WILL GET INTO OUR AGENDA. UM, CASE NUMBER ONE, OUR MISCELLANEOUS ZONING ITEM. MR. CHAIR, DO WE NEED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT. COMMISSIONER HALL, [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] DO YOU HAVE A MOTION ON THE MINUTES? , THANK YOU. IT'S AN HONOR I GREATLY APPRECIATE, UH, MR. CHAIR. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE JANUARY 15TH, 2026 CPC MEETING HAS REVISED AND POSTED ON FEBRUARY 3RD, 2026. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. CALL FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER SIMS FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SAY NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES MS. BLUE. [1. 26-444A An application requesting relief from the street frontage requirements along Corinth Street per the site plan on property zoned Subdistrict 2 within Planned Development District 317, the Cedars Area Special Purpose District, on the northwest corner of Park Avenue and Corinth Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to the site plan. Applicant: Daniel Can - Keystone Contracting Representative: Planner: Teaseia Blue Council District: 2 MZ-25-000001] GOOD AFTERNOON. ITEM NUMBER ONE IS MZ DASH 26 DASH 0 0 0 0 0 1. IT'S AN APPLICATION REQUEST AND RELIEF FROM THE STREET FRONTAGE REQUIREMENTS ALONG CORINTH STREET PER THE SITE PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB AREA TWO WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT THREE 17, THE CEDAR AREA SPECIAL PUR PURPOSE DISTRICTS. IT'S LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF PARK AVENUE AND CORINTH STREET STACK. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE SITE PLAN. THANK YOU MS. BLUE. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER ONE? YES, MA'AM. OH YEAH. YOU COME DOWN TO SPEAK MA'AM. IT'S THE CENTER MICROPHONE AND THEN THERE'S A, UH, BUTTON IN THE MIDDLE THAT YOU PUSH TO ACTIVATE IT. OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY? UH, MY NAME IS WENDY RICH. I AM A RESIDENT AND, UM, MY MOTHER AND I OWNED FIVE OF THE 13 UNITS, UM, [02:45:01] AT PARK PLACE, 2000 PARK PLACE, THE, THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR. UM, WE ARE JUST NOW HEARING OF THIS, UM, AND ARE A LITTLE CONCERNED. UM, WE ALSO JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THE QUICK CLAIM DEED THAT WE NEVER GOT NOTICE OF, UM, THAT I GUESS OUR FORMER HOA PRESIDENT SIGNED. UM, NONE OF THE OWNERS WERE INFORMED, NEVER KNEW ABOUT IT. THAT WAS INVOLVED IN 2023. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO CHALLENGE THAT. UM, WE ARE CONCERNED, UH, FOR FLOW OF TRAFFIC FOR, UM, SAFETY REASONS, EMERGENCY, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE WANTING TO USE OUR, OUR DRIVEWAY, OUR PROPERTY IS 12 FEET OF THE 20 FOOT EXISTING DRIVEWAY, UH, AND THEY WANT TO SHARE THAT DRIVEWAY. UH, MY CONCERN IS MY DRIVEWAY'S GONNA BE BLOCKED. I'M GONNA HAVE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS EQUIPMENT. UM, WE HAD ISSUES ON OUR STREET. THEY DESTROYED PARK AVENUE WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING CITYSCAPE, WHICH WAS ON THE CORNER OF, UH, PARK AND HICKORY, UM, COULD NOT EVEN DRIVE ON OUR STREET BECAUSE THEY DEMOLISHED IT WITH ALL THEIR HEAVY EQUIPMENT. THERE WAS NO REGARD TO THE OTHER OWNERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, SO I HAVE A VERY BIG CONCERN ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND THE LACK OF, UH, INFORMATION TO US AS WE ARE CURRENTLY RIGHT NEXT DOOR. THANK YOU, MA'AM. I'M JUST GONNA ADD A, A COUPLE OF NOTES. SIR, CAN YOU START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE? UH, PETER FRA 2000 PARK AVENUE. UM, UH, JUST ADD, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONERS. THERE IS, UH, SUBSTANTIAL LEGAL ISSUES. UH, THE HOA INTENDS TO CHALLENGE THIS, UM, AND SEEK A EITHER A TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER OR PERMANENT INJUNCTION, UM, WITH A DECLARATORY JUDGMENT. UM, THE HISTORY OF THIS BUILDER IS, IS WE LIVED THROUGH IT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF CITYSCAPE ACROSS THE STREET. IT WAS JUST ABOMINABLE. UH, AND LITERALLY THE, WITH THE STABILIZERS IN THE GROUND, CUTTING THROUGH THE ASPHALT, I SAID, YOU CAN'T DRIVE ON THE STREET. HE SAID, IT'S NOT MY PROBLEM, IT'S THE CITY'S PROBLEM. GET THEM TO FIX IT AFTER THEY DESTROYED IT. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BUILD THIS UNIT, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO USE OUR DRIVEWAY. OUR DRIVEWAY IS SOLE ACCESS. THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO GET TO OUR GARAGES AND TO GET INTO OUR UNITS. SO THAT MEANS THEY WILL BE BLOCKING ACCESS TO OUR UNITS AND THE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY GET INTO OUR GARAGES. AND WE SUSPECT THAT'LL GO ON. THERE HAS BEEN NEVER BEEN AN AGREEMENT TO HAVE A SHARED DRIVEWAY AT THAT LOCATION. THIS IS THE, WE LITERALLY JUST HEARD ABOUT THIS ON MONDAY WHEN WE GOT NOTICE WHEN THE CITY SENT THE CITY SENT NOTICE OF THIS HEARING. THANK YOU. THANK GOD THE CITY DID. AND SO THE HOA PRESIDENT AND THE ENTIRE HOA IS AGAINST THIS. THE HOA HAS ALREADY SENT A, A, A LETTER TO THE APPROPRIATE PEOPLE HERE STATING THAT WE'RE AGAINST IT. AND I WOULD URGE THE COMMISSION TO DELAY A, ANY ACTIONS AND GIVE US A CHANCE TO ACTUALLY GO TO DISTRICT COURT. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON? ITEM NUMBER ONE, UH, MS. RICH WHO ALREADY SPOKE, SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ONLINE. WHAT'S THAT? YOU SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ONLINE AS WELL, IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY. I DID. OKAY. HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HERE IN PERSON. UM, YES, IF YOU COULD JUST LEAVE IT UP THERE, SOMEONE FROM THE CITY WILL GRAB IT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? WELL, I DID, BUT IN LIGHT OF THIS ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK, UM, I'M GONNA MOVE THAT WE HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL OUR FEBRUARY 19TH TO GIVE ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, SPEAK WITH, WELL I'M HOLD TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL FEBRUARY 19TH. AND I HAVE COMMENTS IF I HAVE A SECOND. GREAT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND YOUR COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER HAM. THANK YOU. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST THANK THE APPLICANT OR THE, UM, RESIDENTS FOR COMING DOWN AND SPEAKING TO US. I HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE APPLICANT. I'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I REGRET THAT YOU AND I WERE NOT ABLE TO BE IN TOUCH, UM, PRIOR TO THIS BEING ON THE CASE. UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEFORE THIS BODY, WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO CONSIDER, UM, BUT IF WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT OTHER, UM, DISCUSSIONS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN IN A LARGER CONTEXT TO HELP FACILITATE THOSE. SO I HOPE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION TO ALLOW THIS ADDITIONAL TIME. THANK YOU. THE COMMENTS? YEAH, JUST TO ECHO COMMISSIONER HAMPTON'S COMMENTS, THIS SEEMS LIKE A REASONABLE RESULT HERE. YOU KNOW, OUR POWERS HERE FOCUS ON LAND USE AND ZONING AND IT SOUNDED LIKE THERE MAY BE THINGS THAT ARE BEYOND OUR SCOPE THAT YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, BE VERY VALID CONCERNS. SO WE WILL CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, MAKE APPROPRIATE USE OF THE LAND USE AND ZONING TOOLS THAT WE HAVE HERE. BUT AT FIRST GLANCE, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE A WHOLE HOST OF ISSUES THAT MAY GO WELL BEYOND OUR POWER. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THAT CLEAR. I LOOK FORWARD TO COMMISSIONER HAMPTON'S HARD WORK AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT OUR, OUR PIECE OF THIS PUZZLE. [02:50:01] ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT TO HOLD THIS CASE UNTIL FEBRUARY 19TH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE [Zoning Cases - Consent] ON TO OUR ZONING CONSENT DOCKET. UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVEN'T BEEN HERE, UM, AT A CPC MEETING BEFORE, THE WAY THAT A CONSENT DOCKET WORKS IS IF AN ITEM IS ON CONSENT AND STAYS ON CONSENT, THEN IT DISAPPROVED PER THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AS IT WAS DONE IN THE DOCKET. BUT ANY INDIVIDUAL MEMBER OF THIS, UM, COMMISSION CAN PULL OFF AN ITEM FROM CONSENT FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. SO THE CONSENT, UH, OR OUR AGENDA INITIALLY NOTICED ITEMS TWO THROUGH 25 AS CONSENT ITEMS, BUT A NUMBER OF ITEMS HAVE COME OFF. AND CURRENTLY, UM, THE ONLY ITEMS THAT REMAIN ON CONSENT ARE 5, 6, 10, 12, 13, 14, 16, AND 24. THAT'S 5, 6, 10, 12, 13, 14, 16 AND 24. IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA? THERE IS. OH, ALRIGHT. WHAT ITEM IS THAT? 24. 24. AND YOU'D LIKE US TO PULL THAT OFF? CONSENT? NO. OKAY. YOU'RE GOOD WITH IT? STAYING ON CONSENT. OKAY, GREAT. AND THEN I DO SEE ONLINE SPEAKERS ON, I THINK IT'S 12 AND 14, SO WE'LL PULL THOSE OFF CONSENT AS WELL AND 24 AS WELL. SO WE WILL PULL THAT OFF OF CONSENT. SO OUR CONSENT DOCKET HAS NOW NARROWED DOWN TO 5, 6, 10, 13, AND 16. ARE THOSE SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT? UM, GOOD. WE NOT CHECK WITH THEM THE SAME THING. YES, I, I GUESS ON 12 AND 14 THOSE ARE SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT. SO GEORGE, ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE IF THOSE SPEAKERS WANT THOSE TWO ITEMS TO COME OFF CONSENT VOTE. OKAY. UH, OKAY. THOSE TWO SPEAKERS ARE NOT ONLINE SO WE WILL LEAVE 12 AND 14 ON CONSENT. I'M SORRY TO CLARIFY THEN. DID WE REMOVE ONE ITEM? WE'VE REMOVED 24 FROM CONSENT, SO, OKAY. UM, ASHTON MILLER IS ONLINE. HE WAS JUST, HIS NAME WAS BACKWARDS. OH, OKAY. THE SPEAKER ON 14 IS LINE, UH, ASHTON MILLER. MR. CHAIR? YES. EXCUSE ME IF I COULD. SO YOU INDICATED THAT YOU'VE REMOVED 24 FROM CONSENT? YES. YES. THERE'S A SPEAKER ONLINE IN OPPOSITION. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU. ASHTON MILLER? YEAH. UM, YES, I'M HERE. I SEE THAT YOU'RE THE APPLICANT. ARE YOU JUST HERE FOR QUESTIONS? ARE YOU OKAY WITH US LEAVING THIS ON CONSENT OR WOULD YOU LIKE IT REMOVED FROM CONSENT? YES, I'M OKAY WITH LEAVING THAT ON CONSENT. OKAY, GREAT. THEN WE WILL LEAVE 12 AND 14 ON CONSENT. SO ONE MORE TIME. THANKS EVERYONE FOR THEIR PATIENCE AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS. OUR CONSENT, UH, DOCKETS CONSIST OF 5 6 10 12 4 13 14 16. ALRIGHT, MS. HASHMI, ARE YOU READY TO READ OUR CONSENT DOCKET IN? YES. UM, ITEM Z 25 0 0 1 9 9 AN APPLICATION FOR A, AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 9 63 ON PROPERTY ZONE PD 9 63 ON THE WEST LINE OF DURHAM AVENUE BETWEEN NORTH WEST HIGHWAY AND WINDWOOD DRIVE. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS. NEXT ITEM Z 25 0 0 0 1 0 7. AND APPLICATION FOR A NEW PLAN [02:55:01] DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR GO GENERAL OFFICE DISTRICT USES ON PROPERTY ZONED R 7.5 SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF SAMWELL BOULEVARD AND SAN FRANCIS AVENUE. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND CONDITION ITEM Z 25 0 0 0 1 78. AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE ON PROPERTY ZONE CA ONE CENTRAL AREA DISTRICT ON THE NORTHEAST LINE OF NORTH PER STREET SOUTHWEST LINE OF CROCKETT STREET AND SOUTHEAST LINE OF SAN JA QUINTO STREET STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. ITEM Z 25 0 2 6 AND APPLICATION FOR NO NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE R 10 SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THIS NORTHWEST CORNER OF KNOT, WOOD CIRCLE AND DAVID PORT ROAD. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL ITEM Z 25 0 0 2 1 1. AN APPLICATION FOR DA DUPLEX DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE N AS NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT WITH DE RESTRICTION Z 2 1 12 DASH 1 6 9 ON THE SOUTH LINE OF ELAM ROAD WEST OF BUTTER LANE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL ITEM Z 25 0 0 0 1 4 2. AN APPLICATION TO AMEND SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. 1 29 FOR ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION USES ON PROPERTY ZONE R 7.5 SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE WEST LINE OF CLUMPED AVENUE BETWEEN MERIDETH AVENUE AND GARFIELD AVENUE STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AMENDED SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. ITEM Z 25 0 0 0 180 4. AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. 2180 FOR AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON PROPERTY ZONE OR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF EAST RL TURN ON FREEWAY AND FERGUSON ROAD. THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. HASHMI. WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER HALL FOR A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. MR CHAIR, I MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEM FIVE Z 25 0 0 0 1 99, ITEM NUMBER SIX Z 25 0 0 0. AND COMMISSIONER HALL, I CAN SAVE YOU SOME TIME. YOU CAN JUST SAY I CAN MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. UH, I MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS 5, 6, 10, 12, 13, 14, 16, UH, SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET. GREAT, THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONER HALL FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. [2. 26-445A An application for a new Specific Use Permit for the sale of alcoholic beverages in conjunction with a general merchandise or food store greater than 3,500 square feet within a D-1 Liquor Control Overlay on a property zoned CR Community Retail District, on the north corner of Lovett Avenue and Military Pkwy. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to site plan and conditions. Applicant: Lovett Military Plaza, LLC - Amin Lalani Representative: Robert Nunez - Alchemi Development Partners Planner: Jordan Gregory Council District: 5 Z-25-000123 / Z234-164] OKAY, WE WILL GO BACK TO ITEM TWO FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. ITEM TWO IS Z 2 50 0 0 0 1 23, ALSO KNOWN AS Z 2 3 4 1 64. AND THAT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE GREATER THAN 3,500 SQUARE FEET WITH NAD ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON A PROPERTY ZONE CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT ON THE NORTH CORNER OF LUT AVENUE AND MILITARY PARKWAY. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT WITH SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS. THANK YOU MR. PEPE. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT ON ITEM TWO? ANY SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? [03:00:02] OKAY. COMMISSIONER SERATO YOUR MOTION? YEAH, IN THE MATTER OF KC 25 0 0 0 1 23, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE SUP FOR A PERIOD OF THREE YEARS WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTO RENEWALS, SUBJECT TO THE SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGE LIMITING THE PROPERTY TO 3,700 SQUARE FEET INSTEAD OF THE ALLOTTED 3,500 SQUARE FEET AS NOTED IN THE THE SITE PLAN. GREAT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SERATO FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER SIMS FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. WE'RE GONNA GO TO ITEM NUMBER [3. 26-446A An application for a new Planned Development Subdistrict on property zoned HC Heavy Commercial Subdistrict within Planned Development District 193, the Oak Lawn Special Purpose District, on the east corner of Maple Avenue and Mahon Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to a conceptual plan and conditions. Representative: Robert Baldwin - Baldwin Associates Planner: Mona Hashemi Council District: 14 Z-25-000136] THREE AND COMMISSIONER KINGSTON HAS A CONFLICT, SO WE'LL GIVE HER A CHANCE TO STEP OUT AND, AND I'VE JUST BEEN CORRECTED. IT'S DR. HASHMI, NOT MS. HASHMI, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR MY MISTAKE THERE. I DID NOT MEAN TO DEMOTE YOU, SO IT'S OKAY. I CAN READ IT. OKAY. UH, ITEM Z 25 0 0 1 3 6. AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW PLANT DEVELOPMENT SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTIES ZONE HC HEAVY COMMERCIAL SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLANT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 1 93, THE OAK OAKLAND SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE EAST CORNER OF MAPLE AVENUE AND MAHON STREET STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND CONDITIONS. THANK YOU MR. CHEMI. UH, MR. KINGSTON, UH, GREETINGS COMMISSIONERS, UH, PHILIP KINGSTON KINGSTON CONSULTING 5 9 0 1 PAL PINTO IN PARTNERSHIP WITH, UH, ROB BALDWIN OF BALDWIN ASSOCIATES ON THIS ONE. UM, WE'VE BEEN UNABLE TO IDENTIFY A SINGLE OPPONENT TO THE PROJECT, SO I'M JUST HERE FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU MR. KINGSTON. MR. BALDWIN, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? OKAY. UM, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ITEM THREE? ANY SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? OKAY. WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR A MOTION. UM, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. AND I HAVE COMMENTS IF I HAVE A, ACTUALLY I'LL HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT AND COMMENTS IN THE MATTER OF Z TWO FIVE DASH 0 0 0 3 6. I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES IN, SORRY, I'VE ENDED UP WITH TWO THINGS. UH, WITH UNDER THE, UM, OFF STREET PARKING STANDARDS UNDER, OR EXCUSE ME, OFF STREET PARKING AND LOADING. ITEM A IS AMENDED TO REPLACE DIVISION 51 A DASH FOUR 20 WITH SECTION 51 P DASH 1 93 IN SECTION ONE 14. DESIGN STANDARDS ITEM I IS REVISED TO READ, USE OF EXTERIOR AMPLIFIED SOUND IS PROHIBITED AFTER 10:00 PM ON SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND AFTER 11:00 PM FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. UM, THAT'S IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. COMMISSIONER HOUSEKE FOR YOUR SECOND, YOUR, UM, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO START BY ASKING, UH, MR. KINGSTON OR MR. BALDWIN A QUESTION AT YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, DO I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION, UM, WITH THE, UH, EXISTING OWNER AND OTHER, UM, STAKEHOLDERS REGARDING THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE STRUCTURE THAT'S ON THE SITE? THAT IS TRUE. WE, UH, WE'VE HAD THREE INQUIRIES FROM PEOPLE WHO'VE EXPRESSED SERIOUS INTEREST IN MOVING THE BUILDING TO A NEW LOCATION. UM, AND WE HAVE BIDS FOR THE MO FOR THE MOVING OF THE BUILDING IN THE RANGE OF THREE TO $500,000, WHICH BETWEEN THE PEOPLE INTERESTED AND THE OWNERSHIP GROUP IS DOABLE. AND IS IT CORRECT THAT THIS ORIGINAL STRUCTURE DATES TO THE 1890S, WHICH IS WHEN THE BOWEN ADDITION WAS ORIGINALLY ESTABLISHED AND IT'S HAD A COLORFUL HISTORY OVER ITS LIFE UNLESS LANSKY'S WRONG? THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND. AND IS IT FAIR? I THINK YOU'RE AWARE THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT TRYING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT HISTORY THAT WHILE THE BUILDING, UM, IS HOPEFULLY RELOCATED, WHICH I THINK EVERY, I APPLAUD THE EFFORTS OF THE TEAM TO TRY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. THAT THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE ITS HISTORY AND THE HISTORY OF THE AREA, WHICH THIS IS ONE OF THE LAST REMNANTS. THE OWNER HAS SEEN THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU SUGGESTED FOR A MARKER AND HAS NO PROBLEM WITH IT. OKAY. AND, UM, I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH STAFF ON THAT QUESTION. THANK YOU MR. KINGSTON. YOU'RE WELCOME. MR. HOUSEWRIGHT AGAIN FOR, UH, [03:05:01] MR. KINGSTON OR MR. BALDWIN. I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM ONE THING. YOU, YOU HAD SENT THE RENDERINGS AROUND A FEW DAYS AGO AND I I'VE LOOKED AT THEM. COULD YOU CONFIRM THAT ALL OF THE PARKING IS UNDERGROUND? THERE IS NO PARKING IN THIS TOWER ABOVE GROUND. IT IS ALL BELOW GRADE COMMISSIONER HOUSE. RIGHT, OKAY. OKAY. AS WELL AS THE, UH, THE DELIVERY AND LOADING WILL BE GROUND LEVEL, BUT IN THE BACK, INSIDE THE BUILDING. ALRIGHT. OKAY. I'LL SAVE MY, UH, SOAPBOX ABOUT PODIUM PARKING FOR ANOTHER DAY THEN. THANK YOU. YEAH, I, I, I PROBABLY AM GONNA AGREE WITH THAT. RANT, COLLEAGUES. OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? I JUST HAVE ONE. UH, COULD I GET A CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THE CONDITION CHANGING PARKING, UH, WHAT THE SUBSTANCE OF THAT WAS? SO THE PD REFERENCES 51 A, HOWEVER, THIS IS A SUBDISTRICT BETWEEN PD AND WITHIN PD 1 93, IT'S PUTTING THE STANDARDS INTO PD 1 93 INSTEAD OF BASE CODE. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEP. MR. CHERYL, I'LL JUST JUMP IN. THAT'S, THAT WAS A GOOD CATCH ON THE COMMISSIONER'S PART AND WE'LL JUST USE OUR STANDARD FORM LANGUAGE. IT'LL, IT'LL, UM, REFERENCE BACK TO PART ONE OF PD 1 93. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THIS. SO IF WE DEFAULTED TO 51 A, THEN THERE WOULDN'T BE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS USE. IF WE GO TO PD 1 93, THEN WE'RE FOLLOWING PD 1 93 PARKING REQUIREMENTS. UM, UM, AND SORRY, YEAH, I DON'T NECESSARILY WANNA UPSET THE, THE APPLE CART HERE. I'M NOT SURE IF PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN THIS PART OF TOWN EXACTLY WHERE IT IS OR PARTICULARLY NECESSARY. I THINK THERE'S LOTS OF SOPHISTICATED, UM, OWNERS WHO CONFIGURE OUT PARKING THEMSELVES. BUT AGAIN, IF THIS IS THE AGREEMENT THAT'S COME TO, I GUESS I CAN ACQUIESCE TO IT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I DO NEED TO MAKE TWO CLARIFICATIONS, IF I MAY. UM, THE MS. MORRISON RIGHTLY CAUGHT THAT I DID NOT GIVE AN END TIME TO THE HOURS OF OPERATION, UM, ON UNDER THE AMPLIFIED EXTERIOR MUSIC. AND IT SHOULD READ, UM, THAT IS PROHIBITED BETWEEN 10:00 PM AND 7:00 AM ON SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY IN BETWEEN SEVEN, OR EXCUSE ME, 11:00 PM AND 7:00 AM THE NEXT DAY, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. AND COMMISSIONER HOUSER, YOU WERE THE SECOND THERE. ALL GOOD WITH YOU. AND IF I MAY ASK ONE FOLLOW UP OF MS. MORRISON. OF COURSE. SO AS YOU HEARD ME ASK, OR MS. MORRISON, UM, YOU HEARD MY QUESTIONS TO MR. KINGSTON REGARDING RECOGNIZING THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE SITE OR THE STRUCTURE. UM, IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT THERE WERE CONCERNS EXPRESSED ABOUT THAT TAKING, UM, PURVIEW OUT OF LANDMARK COMMISSION, BUT THAT THIS COULD BE DEVELOPED WITH THE APPLICANT TEAM TO POTENTIALLY FIND, UM, ACCEPTABLE LANGUAGE BEFORE THIS IS HEARD AT COUNCIL? THAT'S CORRECT. YEP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION MEMBERS? OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES ITEM NUMBER [4. 26-447A An application for CR Community Retail District on property zoned NS (A) Neighborhood Service District with existing deed restrictions Z 101-138, on the south line of E. Illinois Avenue, the west line of Mayforge Drive. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Jared Westmoreland, DFW Land Holdings Representative: Nikki Moore, Land Development Consultant Planner: Mona Hashemi Council District: 4 Z-25-000191] FOUR. I THINK THAT'S STILL YOURS, DR. HASHMI. UM, ITEM Z 21 0, UH, 25 0 0 0 1 9 1. AN APPLICATION FOR CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE N AS NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT WITH EXISTING DEED RESTRICTIONS, Z 1 0 1 DASH 1 3 8 UNDER SOUTH LINE OF EAST ILLINOIS AVENUE, THE WEST LINE OF MAY FORGE DRIVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. GREAT. THANK YOU DR. HASHMI. UM, IS THERE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ITEM FOUR? ANYONE IN OPPOSITION? OKAY. WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR A MOTION. YES, IN THE MATTER OF Z DASH 25 DASH 0 0 0 1 9 1. I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND NOT FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT, UM, MOVE TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE. AND I HAVE COMMENTS IF I HAVE A SECOND, PLEASE. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? UH, COM COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN? OKAY. UM, I WAS ASKED YESTERDAY TO HANDLE THESE CASES FOR COMMISSIONER FORSYTH IN HIS ABSENCE. AND SO I DID HAVE EXTENSIVE DISCUSSIONS WITH HIM YESTERDAY ABOUT THE THREE CASES THAT HE HAS ON THE DOCKET. UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, THERE IS CONSIDERABLE [03:10:01] NEIGHBORHOOD ADJACENCY TO THE SOUTH. THERE'S A WELL ESTABLISHED SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UH, THE USES THAT THE CR ZONING CHANGE WOULD, WOULD ENABLE, WOULD ENTITLE, WOULD BE THE VERY USES THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT WANT TO HAPPEN THERE. IT WOULD PLACE A CAR WASH AT GRADE LEVEL IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A CONVENIENCE STORE. NEXT TO THAT, UM, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT POSSIBLY PUTTING THE CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT, BUT GIVEN THE, UM, DISPARITY BETWEEN WHAT THE APPLICANT IS WANTING TO DO AND WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WILL ACCEPT, IT DIDN'T SEEM THAT THAT WOULD BE A FRUITFUL, UM, DISCUSSION. SO THAT IS THE REASON FOR THE, UM, MOTION TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE. IT'S NOT THAT THERE MIGHT NOT BE, UH, SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT COULD BE PROPOSED DOWN THE ROAD, BUT WHAT'S ENABLED BY, UM, CR A STRAIGHT, UM, ZONING TO CR IS JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE TO THE AREA. OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN TO NOT FOLLOW THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. WE DISPOSED OF FIVE AND SIX ON CONSENT, SO WE WILL GO [7. 26-450A An application for a new Specific Use Permit for the sale of alcoholic beverages on property zoned LC Light Commercial Subdistrict with a D -1 Liquor Control Overlay on a portion and deed restrictions Z 978-258, within Planned Development District 193, the Oak Lawn Special Purpose District, on the southwest line of Lemmon Avenue, between McKinney Avenue and Noble Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to site plan and conditions. Applicant: Walgreens Co - Brian Brown Representative: Marcus Schwartz Planner: Justin Lee Council District: 14 Z-25-000066] TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. MR. LEE, WE GO, WHICH NUMBER SEVEN? UH, ITEM SEVEN, AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE SALES OF ALCOHOL BEVERAGES ON PROPERTY ZONE LC LIKE COMMERCIAL SUBDISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON PORTION AND D RESTRICTION Z 9 78 DASH 2 58 WITH PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 1 93, THE OAK LAWN SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE WEST LINE OF LEMON AVENUE BETWEEN MCKINNEY AVENUE AND NOBLE AVENUE STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. THANK YOU. MR. LEE, IS THERE ANYONE TO SPEAK ON IN SUPPORT OF ITEM SEVEN? UH, I BELIEVE THERE'S A SPEAKER SIGNED UP ONLINE. IS SHE ON? NOT ONLINE. OKAY. ANY SPEAKERS IN THE BUILDING HERE IN SUPPORT ANY SPEAKERS IN THE BUILDING IN OPPOSITION? OKAY. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, YOUR MOTION? YEAH, UM, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 5 0 0 0 0 6 6, I'M GOING TO MOVE THAT WE HOLD THIS UNTIL MARCH 26TH. I BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO AMEND THE APPLICATION, UH, TO DO AWAY WITH THE D ONE OVERLAY, UH, ELIMINATING THE NECESSITY TO KEEP COMING BACK FOR AN SEP AND THAT'LL GIVE HER TIME TO DO THAT AND RE-NOTICE IT. OKAY. UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION ADVICE CHAIR, HERBERT, FOR YOUR SECOND, JUST DOUBLE CHECKING THAT. DO WE NEED, DOES THE MOTION NEED TO INCLUDE RE NOTICING? ARE WE OKAY AS IS? JUST NO. OKAY. UM, WE'RE FINE WITH THE MOTION AS IS. SO IT'S TO HOLD THE CASE UNTIL 3 26. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER, UH, WHEELER I, IF IT'S TO SO THAT THEY CAN MODIFY IT TO HAVE A TERM LIMIT. WE, THEY, WE CAN'T DO THAT TODAY, UH, TO SEE WHAT THEIR TERM LIMIT IS. THE, I I BELIEVE, AND I DON'T WANNA PUT WORD, I'LL LET, I'LL GO BACK TO COMMISSIONER KINGSTON RATHER THAN TRY 'EM. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO MODIFY THE APPLICATION TO, UH, SEEK TO ELIMINATE THE D ONE OVERLAY, WHICH WOULD ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR EVEN SEEKING AN SUP AT THIS LOCATION. OKAY? OKAY. WE HAVE ANY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, SECONDED BY VICE CHAIR HERBERT TO HOLD THE CASE UNTIL MARCH 26TH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES ITEM NUMBER [8. 26-451A An application for MU-2 Mixed Use District on property zoned MF-1(A) Multifamily District, on the north line of Wynnewood Drive between S. Zang Boulevard and S. Llewellyn Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Representative: Robert Baldwin Planner: Justin Lee Council District: 4 Z-25-000170] EIGHT, BACK TO YOU MR. LEE. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, AN APPLICATION FOR MU DASH TWO MIXED USE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE MF DASH ONE MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTH LINE OF WYNWOOD DRIVE BETWEEN SOUTH ZANG BOULEVARD AND SOUTH LEWIN AVENUE STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. THANK YOU MR. LEE. MR. BALDWIN. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY NAME'S ROB BALDWIN, OFFICER AT 3 9 0 4 [03:15:01] ELM STREET, SUITE B IN DALLAS. UM, I HAVE SPOKEN WITH COMMISSIONER CARPENTER ABOUT THIS CASE AND COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT, UM, THE, THE MOST APPROPRIATE ZONING ON THIS WOULD BE AN MU ONE RATHER THAN U2. AND SO I, I, I SUSPECT THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION'S GONNA BE AND I WANT Y'ALL TO KNOW I'M FINE WITH THAT AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU, MR. BALDWIN. ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT OF ITEM EIGHT? ANY SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? ALRIGHT, NO FURTHER SPEAKERS OVER TO YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER IN THE MATTER OF Z DASH 25 DASH 0 0 0 1 7 0 I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, BUT FOR AN MU ONE MIXED USE DISTRICT. OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION. VICE CHAIR HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? I'LL JUST SAY THAT THE, UH, DECISION TO, UM, AGREE ON MU ONE WAS ONE THAT WAS ARRIVED AT AFTER, UM, CONSULTATION WITH MR. BALDWIN AND COMMISSIONER FORSYTH. GREAT. ANY OTHER, UM, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER SECONDED BY THE VICE CHAIR FOR APPROVAL, BUT AS MU ONE, NOT MU TWO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES OVER TO YOU FOR NUMBER NINE. [9. 26-452A An application for MU-1 Mixed Use District on property zoned MF-2(A) Multifamily District, on the east line of S. Polk Street at the terminus of Nokomis Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Blas Garza Planner: Justin Lee Council District: 4 Z-25-000177] UH, NUMBER NINE, AN APPLICATION FOR MU MU DASH ONE MIXED USE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE MF TWO MF DASH TWO MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON EAST LINE OF SOUTH POLK STREET AT THE TERMINUS OF OASS, A AVENUE STAFF. RECOMMENDATIONS APPROVAL. THANK YOU MR. LEE. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER NINE IN SUPPORT ANY? OH, YES SIR. I'M NOT HERE. YES, NUMBER SIX WAS DISPOSED OF ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA. OKAY. DO I HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY? I'M NOT BUT HAVE. OKAY. UM, WERE YOU HERE AT THE START OF OUR MEETING? THAT'S, I SAY I DID NOT HEAR, I CAME DOWN AND I HEARD A NUMBER OF, UH, OKAY. OKAY. THE, THE APPLICANT'S HERE, THAT'S MR. BALDWIN, WHY DON'T YOU CHAT WITH HIM AND IF WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO, WE CAN RIGHT DO THAT. OKAY. OKAY. I'LL, I'LL LET YOU VISIT WITH HIM AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT. OKAY. NUMBER 29 HAS NOT YET BEEN DISPOSED OF, JUST TO BE CLEAR. NUMBER NINE, NO. OKAY. NUMBER NINE. ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT ON NUMBER NINE? GOOD. YOU GUYS ARE GETTING TOO FANCY HERE, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF, AND I'M THE ZONING CONSULTANT FOR THE CASE WITH LIK LAW FIRM AND UH, THE COMMISSIONER HAS, UH, JUST MENTIONED THAT IT'S OKAY IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE TO ANSWER. AND WE DO NEED YOUR ADDRESS AS WELL. UH, 9 2 4 1 LBJ FREEWAY, SUITE TWO 10, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 4 3. OKAY, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ITEM NINE? ANY SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? OKAY. WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF Z DASH 25 DASH 0 0 0 1 7 7. I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND PUT THIS, UM, ITEM UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MARCH THE FIFTH, 2026. GREAT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER SIMS FOR YOUR SECOND. UM, ANY DISCUSSION? UH, JUST THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH WAS IN SUPPORT OF PUTTING THIS UNDER ADVISEMENT, UM, IN ORDER TO HAVE COMMUNITY MEETINGS. OKAY. UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? ALRIGHT, WE [03:20:01] HAVE A MOTION TO HOLD IT UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MARCH 5TH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT, WE'LL GO TO [11. 26-454A An application for the termination of Deed Restriction Z778-181 on property zoned Subdistrict 6 Davis Corridor within Planned Development District 830, Davis Street Special Purpose District, on the south line of Fouraker Street, between N. Vernon Avenue and N. Van Buren Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Baldwin Associates, LLC - Robert Baldwin Planner: Justin Lee Council District: 1 Z-25-000202] ITEM NUMBER 11 AND APPLICATION FOR DETERMINATION OF D RESTRICTION Z 7 78 DASH 180 1 ON PROPERTY ZONE SUBDISTRICT SIX DAVIS CORRIDOR WITH PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT EIGHT 30 DAVIS STREET SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF FOUR ACRE STREET BETWEEN NORTH VERNON AVENUE AND NORTH VAN BUREN AVENUE. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. GREAT. THANK YOU MR. LEE. UM, IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 11? OKAY, NO SPEAKERS PER GO TO COMMISSIONER SAM FOR A MOTION. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF CASE NUMBER Z DASH 25 DASH 0 0 2 0 2. I MOVE TO HOLD THIS ITEM UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MARCH 5TH, 2026. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SIMS FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SAY NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. GO TO [15. 26-458A An application for an amendment to Specific Use Permit 2569 for a bar, lounge, or tavern and inside commercial amusement limited to a live music venue on property zoned Tract A within Planned Development 269, the Deep Ellum/Near East Side District, on the southwestern corner of Main Street and Malcolm X Boulevard. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to conditions. Applicant: Rob Baldwin - Baldwin Associates Representative: Michael Ziemer - Puzzle Concepts, LLC Planner: Oscar Aguilera Council District: 2 Z-25-000183] ITEM NUMBER 15. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, MR CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION ASK AGUILERA. ITEM 15 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A, FOR AN AMENDMENT OF A SPECIFIC USE, UH, PERMIT 25 69 FOR A BAR LAUNCH OR TAVERN INSIDE A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT LIMITED TO A LIVE MUSIC VENUE ON A PROPERTY ZONE TRACK A WITH, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT 2 69, THE DEVELOP EAST SIDE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHWESTERN CORNER OF MAIN STREET AND ALCHEM X BOULEVARD STAFF RECOMMEND APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS. OKAY. UH, THANK YOU MR. AGUILERA. DO WE HAVE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 15? OKAY. SEEING NO SPEAKERS COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? I DO. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF Z DASH 25 DASH 0 0 0 180 3. I MOVE TO HOLD THE PAR, UH, PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL FEBRUARY 19TH. GREAT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION, VICE CHAIR FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. NUMBER [17. 26-460A An application for a new Specific Use Permit for a bar, lounge, or tavern on property zoned Planned Development 269 Tract A, the Deep Ellum/Near East Side District, on the south line of Elm Street between Good Latimer Expy and Crowdus Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to a site plan and conditions. Applicant: Vic’s Entertainment LLC Representative: Audra Buckley - Permitted Development LLC Planner: Oscar Aguilera Council District: 2 Z-25-000189] 17, MR. AGUILERA. ITEM 17 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A BAR, LOUNGE, OR TAVERN ON A PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT 2 69 TRACK A THE DEEP, DEEP ELM NEAR EAST, UH, SIDE DISTRICT, UH, LOCATED ON THE SOUTH LINE OF ELM STREET BETWEEN GOOD, UH, LAIR EXPRESSWAY AND, UH, CROWDS. CROWDS STREET. THE STAFF RECOMMENDS, UM, APPROVAL SUBJECT TO SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. AGUILERA. UM, IS THERE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ITEM 17? OKAY. ANY SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM 17? OKAY. SEEING NONE. UH, MR. HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. IN THE MATTER OF Z DASH 25 DASH 0 0 0 180 9, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, APPROVE THE REQUEST SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGE TIME PERIOD TO BE 18 MONTHS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER SIMS FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, NO DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. ITEM NUMBER [18. 26-461A An application for 1) R-7.5(A) Single Family District and 2) the termination of existing deed restrictions [Z789-237 Tract 2] on property zoned P(A) Parking District with H/72 Peak's Suburban Addition Neighborhood Historic District, on the northeast line of N. Carroll Avenue, between Swiss Avenue and Gaston Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Approval of 1) R-7.5(A) Single Family District and approval of 2) the termination of existing deed restrictions [Z789-237 Tract 2]. Applicant: New Wabe Real Estate Investors LLC - Caster Dickerson Representative: Rob Baldwin Planner: Oscar Aguilera Council District: 2 Z-25-000203] 18. ITEM NUMBER 18 IS AN APPLICATION FOR, UH, ONE R 7.5 SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND TWO, DETERMINATION OF EXISTING DE RESTRICTION Z 7 89 DASH 2 37 ON TRACK TWO ON PROPERTY ZONE PA PARKING DISTRICT WITH, UH, AGE 72 PEAKS SUBURB EDITION NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST LINE OF NORTH CARROLL AVENUE BETWEEN SWISS AVENUE AND GASTON AVENUE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE SUNNING CHANGE AS [03:25:01] WELL AS THE, UM, TERMINATION OF EXISTING DE RESTRICTIONS. THANK YOU MR. AGUILERA. UM, IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ITEM NUMBER 18? ANY SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR ANOTHER MOTION. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF Z DASH 25 DASH 0 0 0 2 0 3, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, APPROVE THE, UH, FIRST ITEM, R 75, SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND APPROVAL OF THE TERMINATION OF EXISTING DEED RESTRICTIONS Z 7 89 DASH 23 7, TRACK TWO. OKAY. AND DOES THAT TRACK STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? YES. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU FOR THAT CONFIRMATION. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, YOUR SECOND VICE CHAIR. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES NUMBER 19. [19. 26-462A An application for a new Specific Use Permit for the sale of alcoholic beverages in conjunction with a general merchandise or food store 3,500 square feet or less, on property zoned CR Community Retail District with a D-1 Liquor Control Overlay, at the northwest corner of Bruton Road and N. Prairie Creek Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to a site plan and conditions. Applicant: Bruton Store, Inc. Representative: Parvez Malik - Malik Law Firm Planner: Oscar Aguilera Council District: 5 Z-25-000208] ITEM 19 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS ON A PROPERTY ZONE Z COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY AT, UH, LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST UH, CORNER OF BURTON ROAD AND NORTH, UH, P CREEK ROAD. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. THANK YOU MR. AGUILERA. UH, MR. MALIK, ARE YOU HERE? OH, THERE HE IS. WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER 19. YES SIR. UH, APARTMENT MALIK. 9 2 4 1 LBJ FREEWAY, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 4 3. I'M THE ZONING CONSULTANT ON, AND MY APOLOGIES, I WAS JUST HAVING A LITTLE CONFERENCE WITH MR. TIPTON. NO PROBLEM. ALRIGHT, SO THAT CONCLUDES YOUR COMMENTS. I'M ALL FOR IT. OKAY. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I'M READY TO ANSWER. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ITEM 19? ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? OKAY. COMMISSIONER SERRATO, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES. IN THE MATTER OF CASE C 2 5 0 0 0 2 0 8. I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE SUP FOR A PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS WITH NO ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTO RENEWALS, SUBJECT TO SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS. GREAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER SERATO, YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER, SIMS, ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, NO DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU MR. OTTO, FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORT AND ENERGY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. I'VE GOT A CONFLICT ON [20. 26-463A An application for an amendment to Specific Use Permit 2358 for an alcoholic beverage establishment limited to a microbrewery, micro distillery, or winery on property zoned Planned Development District 619 with H/121 Dallas Power and Light Building Historic District Overlay, on the southeast corner of Commerce Street and Browder Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to site plan and conditions. Applicant: Pegasus City Brewery Representative: Brad Eubanks Planner: Oscar Aguilera Council District: 14 Z-25-000212] ITEM 20, SO I WILL BE STEPPING OUT. PERFECT. UH, THANK YOU OSCAR. YOU WANNA START WITH THIS ONE? UH, JUST, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, IT'S, UH, APPLICATION, UH, FOR, UM, FOR AN AMENDMENT, UH, TO A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, 2358 FOR AN ALCOHOL BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT. LIMITED, LIMITED TO A MICROBREWERY MICRO DISTILLERY OR A WINERY ON A PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT SIX 19 WITH, UH, H 1 21 DALLAS POWER AND LIGHT BUILDING, HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY, UH, LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST, UH, CORNER OF COMMERCE STREET AND, UH, BRODER STREET. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PRESENT, MAKE A, THE PRESENTATION ON THE ITEM? YES. YES. IF YOU CAN GIVE US THE BRIEFING. THANK YOU. UH, JOE, IF WE, DO WE NEED A BRIEFING? NO. OKAY. THAT BEING SAID, DO WE HAVE A, UH, A MOTION? THANK YOU. I WAS LOOKING THE WRONG WAY. SPEAKER, SPEAKER, SPEAKERS FIRST, ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT? ANY SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? IF NONE, WE'LL HEAR A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. OKAY. IN THE MATTER OF Z 25 0 0 0 2 1 2 A MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UM, ADOPT THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING, CHANGE THE TIME LIMIT ON THE, UH, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT SHALL BE FIVE YEARS SUBJECT TO SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SIMS FOR THE SECOND. UM, IS THERE ANY COMMENTS? HEARING NONE. ALL [03:30:01] IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. UH, ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU, CHAIR. YOU CAN ENTER THE CHAMBER AGAIN. I [21. 26-464A An application for an amendment to Specific Use Permit 2507 for the sale of alcoholic beverages in conjunction with a restaurant without drive -in or drive-through service and a general merchandise or food store 3,500 square feet or less on property zoned CR Community Retail District with a D-1 Liquor Control Overlay, on the south line of Lake June Road, East of N. St. Augustine Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to site plan and conditions. Applicant: Nikia Mitchell - Kia’s Asset Management Representative: Gena Cannon Planner: Oscar Aguilera Council District: 5 Z-25-000221] ITEM 21. ITEM 21 IS AN APPLICATION FOR AMENDMENT OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT 25 0 7 FOR THE SALES OF ALCOHOL BEVERAGE IN CONJUNCTION WITH A RESTAURANT WITH, UH, DRIVE IN OR, UH, DRIVE THROUGH, UM, SERVICE AND, UH, GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR A FOOD STORE, 3000, UH, 500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS ON A PROPERTY ZONE GR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE, LOCATED ON THE SOUTH LINE OF, UH, LAKE JUNE ROAD, EAST OF NORTH. UH, SAYING, UH, AUGUSTINE ROAD STAFF RECOMMENDS, UH, APPROVAL SUBJECT TO SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS. THANK YOU MR. AGUILERA. IS THERE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ITEM NUMBER 21? ANY SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER SERRATA, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES. IN THE MATTER OF KZ 25 0 0 0 2 21. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE SEP FOR A PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTO RENEWALS EVERY FIVE YEARS SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER SERRATO, COMMISSIONER SIMS FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SERATO, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SIMS TO FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, BUT FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH FIVE YEAR AUTO RENEWALS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. YOU OKAY. UH, MR. [22. 26-465A An application for RTN Residential Transition District on property zoned R-16(A) Single Family District, on the northwest corner of McShann Road and Preston Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Caleb Mann Representative: Matthew Sheard Planner: Martin Bate Council District: 13 Z-25-000121] BATE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM 22. GOOD AFTERNOON. ITEM 22 IS CASE Z 25 0 1 21. AN APPLICATION FOR RTN RESIDENTIAL TRANSITION DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED R 16, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF SHAN ROAD AND PRESTON ROAD. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. BATE. I BELIEVE THIS ITEM'S GONNA BE HELD, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE, ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT ON THIS ITEM 22. ANY SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM NUMBER 22? COME ON DOWN. HELLO. GOOD AFTERNOON. ELIZABETH BROAD IN HERE, OPPOSITION OF THE MOTION, BUT I DO AGREE WITH HOLDING IT. I BELIEVE THE DATE WAS MARCH THE FIFTH, SO, AND CAN WE JUST GET YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? YES, OF COURSE. IT'S 5 7 4 0 HAN ROAD, DALLAS, TEXAS. ZIP CODE 7 5 2 3 OH. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? I SEE ONE IS SIGNED UP, TWO ARE SIGNED UP ONLINE. IS IS LISA FLETCHER ONLINE? NOT ONLINE NEITHER. AND MR. TYRONE POWELL IS ALSO NOT ONLINE. OKAY. WE'LL GO TO YOU COMMISSIONER HALL FOR A MOTION. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UH, IN THE MATTER OF ITEM NUMBER 22 Z 25 0 0 0 1 21, I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC RECORD OPEN AND HOLD THE CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MARCH 5TH, 2026. AND IF I GET A SECOND, I JUST HAVE A BRIEF COMMENT SECOND. GREAT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HALL FOR YOUR MOTION. VICE CHAIR FOR YOUR SECOND, YOUR COMMENT. COMMISSIONER HALL. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UM, WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING ON MONDAY NIGHT THAT WAS, UH, WELL, WELL ATTENDED, BUT UH, IT BECAME VERY OBVIOUS THAT WE STILL, UH, HAD, UH, NEED TO GET TOGETHER WITH MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE APPLICANT. UH, AND SOME THINGS NEED TO BE EXPLAINED AND THINGS NEED TO BE AGREED UPON AND SO FORTH AND SO FORTH. SO, UH, THE GENERAL FEELING WAS LET'S POSTPONE THIS FOR A MONTH TO GIVE TIME FOR EVERYBODY TO MEET AGAIN, UH, AS MANY TIMES AS NEEDED. SO THANK YOU. GREAT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO HOLD IT UNTIL, UH, MARCH 5TH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSING SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES ITEM 23. [23. 26-466A An application for 1) TH-3(A) Townhouse District and 2) deed restrictions volunteered by the applicant on property zoned R-5(A) Single Family District, on the north line of Bickers Street, east of Esmalda Drive. Staff Recommendation: Approval of 1) TH-3(A) Townhouse District and 2) deed restrictions volunteered by the applicant. Applicant: Nishad Kolothody Planner: Martin Bate Council District: 6 Z-25-000160] ITEM 23 IS CASE Z 25 0 0 0 1 6 0. AN APPLICATION FOR ONE TH THREE, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT AND TWO DEED RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT ON PROPERTY ZONED R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTH LINE OF BICKERS STREET, EAST [03:35:01] OF ALTA DRIVE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF ONE TH THREE, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT AND TWO DEED RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT. THANK YOU, MR. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK, UM, ON ITEM NUMBER OR IN SUPPORT OF ITEM 23? OKAY, GREAT. AND WHILE YOU'RE COMING DOWN, UH, I BELIEVE THERE'S ALSO AN ONLINE SPEAKER, NISHA ARI NOT ONLINE. YEAH. JUST CASE. ANY QUESTIONS? CAN EVERYBODY SEE ME? ? GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ALICIA RASHID AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS AND CITY STAFF, UH, FOR YOUR HARD WORK. UM, THERE IS JUST A FEW THINGS THAT I WANNA SAY ABOUT THIS PROJECT. UM, IT DO ALIGN WITH THE FORWARD DALLAS AND MARKET ANALYSIS. WE DID WORK WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FULLY. UM, THE OTHER ITEM THAT I HAVE IS, UM, WE ARE AWARE THAT THE CITY HAS NO FUNDING CURRENTLY. WE HAVE INQUIRE ABOUT IT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE WITH THIS, UH, PROJECT. SO IT IS LEFT TO ALL THE DEVELOPERS. SO, BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF IN, UH, INFILL LOTS IN THIS STRIP. SO WE RE WE ARE JUST ASKING, YES, WE'LL BE THE FIRST ONE WORKING ON THESE EMPTY LOTS AND HOPEFULLY THE REST WILL FOLLOW BECAUSE INFRASTRUCTURE IS GONNA BE VERY COSTLY THERE. UM, HE WANTS TO CREATE, THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO CREATE AN ATTRACTIVE AND UNIFORM, UH, COMPLETENESS AND IT'S GONNA MATCH THE NEW BUILDS, UM, THAT ARE IN THAT SAME STREET BASICALLY. UM, THE BUILDER HAVE WORKED, UH, PRIOR WITH HOUSING AND HE HAS DONE AFFORDABLE UNITS IN THE PAST OVER 20, IN THE PAST TWO TO THREE YEARS, JUST ADDING THAT AS SOME. HE ALSO HAVE DONE MARKET, UM, RATE HOUSINGS AND THAT'S, THAT'S IT. I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF SHARE, UM, SOME OF THE POSITIVES THAT WILL GO INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BY APPROVING THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T THINK WE GOT YOUR ADDRESS. WOULD YOU MIND PROVIDING US WITH THAT? SORRY. 1809. UM, OH, THE ADDRESS FOR THE PROJECTS? NO, YOUR ADDRESS. WE HAVE ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS GIVE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS. OH, OKAY. ALICIA, AND IT'S 1801 ROYAL LANE, SUITE 9 21, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 2 9. THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. WELCOME, RASHEED. YOU'RE WELCOME. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ITEM 23? ANY SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? OKAY. WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR A MOTION. YES. IN THE MATTER OF Z DASH 25 DASH 0 0 0 1 60. I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND NOT FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT DENY THIS APPLICATION WITHOUT PREJUDICE. OKAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UM, YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. ANY DISCUSSION? YES, THIS, UM, CONSTITUTES MID NEIGHBORHOOD MID-BLOCK UPZONING. THE WESTMORELAND HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD IS OPPOSED TO THIS REQUEST. WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING MONDAY NIGHT WITH WEST DALLAS ONE AND THEY, UM, VOCALIZED THEIR LACK OF SUPPORT OF THESE, UH, MID-BLOCK, MID NEIGHBORHOOD UP ZONINGS. UM, THAT ALONE IS ADEQUATE FOR ME TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT I MADE. ADDITIONALLY, I WASN'T ABLE TO, UH, REACH THE, UH, APPLICANT TO, UH, FOR ANY INTERACTION WITH ME UNTIL TUESDAY NIGHT. I HAD MADE A NUMBER OF, UM, EFFORTS TO CONTACT THEM EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS. THE, UH, COUNCIL PERSON HAD RECOMMENDED THAT THEY CONTACT ME. THERE WERE NO COMMUNITY MEETINGS, UH, OFFICIAL COMMUNITY MEETINGS. UM, NOT THAT THAT LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT WOULD HAVE CHANGED THE RECOMMENDATION, BUT THIS HAS BEEN A, A, A TROUBLESOME APPLICATION ON A NUMBER OF, UH, LEVELS. BUT THE, UM, BASIC LAND USE RATIONALE FOR DENYING IS IT IS MID-BLOCK, MID NEIGHBORHOOD UP ZONING AND A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS LOWER INCOME IS VERY SUSCEPTIBLE TO GENTRIFICATION AND DISPLACEMENT. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, SEEING NONE. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON TO NOT FOLLOW STATUTE OF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, BUT TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. OKAY. [24. 26-467A An application for an amendment to PD 703, bounded by Hillcrest Road, Aberdeen Avenue, Airline Road, and Lakehurst Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to an amended development plan, traffic management plan, and conditions. Applicant: Dallas ISD Applicant: Elsie Thurman Planner: Martin Bate Council District: 11 Z-25-000214] WE RESOLVE 24 ON CONSENT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO NO, THE SPEAKER WAS FINE WITH IT SAYING ON, OH WAIT, [03:40:01] I APOLOGIZE. THERE YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE IS A SPEAKER ONLINE IN OPPOSITION IS SO, UM, YEAH, WE DID PULL IT. OKAY. YOU READY TO READ IT IN? THANK YOU FOR CATCHING THERE. YEAH, . NO WORRIES. ITEM 24 IS CASE Z 25 MILLION 0 214. AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PD 7 0 3 BOUNDED BY HILLCREST ROAD, ABERDEEN AVENUE, AIRLINE ROAD, AND LAKEHURST AVENUE. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM? UH, MS. THURMAN? SIR, IS IT ON? YEAH. OKAY. UH, HELLO. MY NAME IS CANDACE RES MILLER. ADDRESS IS 9 9 2 4 HILLCREST ROAD, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 3 0. I AM THE ATHLETIC COORDINATOR AT HILLCREST HIGH SCHOOL. UM, I WANTED TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR HEARING OUR APPLICATION AND ESPECIALLY THANK YOU TO COMMISSIONER COX AND COMMISSIONER UH, KAUFMAN FOR ATTENDING OUR COMMUNITY MEETING THIS WEEK. UH, I WANTED TO PROVIDE A FEW NUMBERS JUST SO YOU CAN HAVE A, A LOOK AT WHAT THE IMPACT WILL BE IN PRACTICE, UM, OF APPROVING THESE LIGHTS FOR OUR BASEBALL FIELD. UM, SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE A VERY ROBUST BASEBALL PROGRAM AT HILLCREST HIGH SCHOOL. UM, AND IF YOU LOOK AT JUST OUR VARSITY SCHEDULE, UM, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO PLAY ALL OF OUR GAMES PRIOR TO SUNSET, UH, WE HAVE TO PULL OUR KIDS OUT OF CLASS. AND SO LOOKING AT JUST THE VARSITY SCHEDULE, THE VARSITY TEAM ALONE WILL MISS 50 HOURS OF CLASS TIME THIS YEAR TO BE ABLE TO PLAY BASEBALL. MULTIPLY THAT BY OUR THREE TEAMS, 70 STUDENTS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN OUR PROGRAM. WE'RE MISSING ABOUT 150 HOURS OF CLASS TIME. UM, THAT'S ABOUT 33 CLASSES PER STUDENT JUST SO THAT THEY CAN PLAY, UH, BASEBALL. SO THE ADDITION OF THE LIGHTS TO THIS FIELD WILL ALLOW US TO MINIMIZE THAT CLASS TIME BECAUSE THEY WON'T HAVE TO GET OUT OF CLASS EARLY SO THAT THEY CAN, UH, BEAT THE SUNSET TO PLAY THEIR GAMES. UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE IMPACT ON OTHER STUDENTS OUTSIDE OF THE BASEBALL PROGRAM, WE HAVE FOUR BASEBALL COACHES WHO ALSO HAVE TO GET PULLED OUT OF CLASS EARLY IN ORDER TO, UH, BE AT THE BASEBALL GAMES. AND THEIR CASELOAD RIGHT NOW IS IN BETWEEN THREE AND 400 STUDENTS. SO IN BETWEEN THREE AND 400 STUDENTS ON ANY GIVEN DAY THAT WE HAVE A BASEBALL GAME, UM, COULD BE IMPACTED BY HAVING SUBSTITUTE TEACHERS BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING TO TAKE THEIR COACHES OUTTA CLASS EARLY SO THAT THEY CAN ATTEND BASEBALL GAMES. SO THE ADDITION OF THESE LIGHTS WILL HELP MITIGATE THAT. ADDITIONALLY, WE ARE CURRENTLY LOCATED RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM, UH, FRANKLIN FIELD, WHICH ALREADY HAS LIGHTS FOR THE FOOTBALL STADIUM, UM, WHICH ARE MUCH OLDER. LIGHTS NOT QUITE AS GOOD TECHNOLOGY. THESE LIGHTS ARE HIGH QUALITY AND AT AN ANGLE THAT WILL, UM, MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF LIGHT POLLUTION INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE LIGHTS ARE DIRECTLY ON THE FIELD, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT OUR COMMUNITY MEETING THIS WEEK. UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT FOR WHY THESE LIGHTS ARE IMPORTANT. UM, AND I THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER. THANK YOU. UH, MS. THURMAN, DID YOU HAVE COMMENTS? I DO. ARE YOU IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION, SIR? OPPOSITION. OKAY. WELL, AS A SPEAKER IN SUPPORT, YOU CAN HAVE YOUR THREE MINUTES THEN SINCE THERE'S OPPOSITION. THE, THE APPLICANT GETS A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL. ELSIE THURMAN, 9 4 0 6 BISCAY BOULEVARD, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 8. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR, VICE CHAIR COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. AND THIS IS FOR HILLCREST HIGH SCHOOL. IT'S FOR THE BASEBALL FIELD ONLY. NO MODIFICATION TO THE MAIN CAMPUS. AS COACH SAID, WE HAD OUR, UM, COMMUNITY MEETING ON TUESDAY. WE HAD OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORT FOR THIS BASEBALL FIELD, AND WE'RE HOPING THAT YOU WOULD SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. I HAD BONUS COMMISSIONERS THERE. I HAD, UM, COMMISSIONER CO AND MINE. I LIVE IN HER DISTRICT COMMISSIONER KAUFMAN. UM, THIS IS MUCH NEEDED LIGHTS FOR THIS SCHOOL. WE'RE HOPING THAT YOU WILL SUPPORT US TODAY. THANK YOU. AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU MS. THURMAN. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT? OKAY, THANK YOU MS. LAMBETH. ANYONE ELSE IN SUPPORT? OKAY, WE WILL GO TO OUR OPPOSITION. ARE YOU MR. TROTT BY ANY [03:45:01] CHANCE? YES. PARDON? YES, I AM. OKAY, GREAT. I SAW YOU SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ONLINE, SO I WASN'T SURE IF YOU'D BE ONLINE OR IN PERSON. MY NAME IS, UH, DAVID TROTT, AND MY ADDRESS IS 68 11 MIMOSA LANE IN DALLAS, TEXAS. UM, UH, YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION WHETHER YOU'RE SUPPORTING OR OPPOSING, AND I WANT, I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WHILE I'M IN OPPOSITION RIGHT NOW, I WANT TO BE IN SUPPORT. I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT THESE LADIES SAID. THE, UM, THE COMMUNITY MEETING THAT WAS HELD A COUPLE NIGHTS AGO AT HILLCREST, THE, THERE ARE ABOUT A DOZEN PEOPLE WHO SHOWED UP. AND THE REASON WHY THERE WERE ONLY A DOZEN PEOPLE WHO SHOWED UP WHEN WE RECEIVED THIS, UH, INFORMATION ABOUT THE MEETING. THIS, AS I'VE SPOKEN TO MR. BATE, WAS GIVEN TO THE POSTAL SERVICE ON NOVEMBER ON, I'M SORRY, ON, UH, THE 22ND OF JANUARY. I RECEIVED IT STAMPED BY THE POST OFFICE OF NOVEMBER 29TH. WE RECEIVED IT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT JUST MYSELF, EVERYONE ELSE, UM, WAS, UH, FEBRUARY THE SECOND, AND THEN THE RESPONSE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BACK TO YOU GUYS BY, UH, YESTERDAY AT NOON. AND THERE WAS NO WAY THAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN. SO I DON'T THINK THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS REALLY HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY THAT IT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE TO VOCALIZE ITS SUPPORT OR ITS OPPOSITION. SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING THAT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE FAIRNESS ABOUT, TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT YOU FOLKS HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED FROM THE COMMUNITY TO HELP YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION. UM, WHAT I DID DO IS I DO HAVE, UH, COPIES FOR EVERYONE. IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE A COPY, I WOULD LIKE TO READ MY STATEMENT. I HOPE I CAN DO IT WITHIN A COUPLE MINUTES. WOULD THAT, IS THAT THE, THIS THE BEST TIME TO DO THAT? OKAY, FINE. WE'VE GOT YOU THREE MINUTES RIGHT NOW. SO I'M GOING, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND READ THIS. I'M GONNA TRY TO DO THIS AS FAST AS I POSSIBLY CAN. UM, OKAY. WHAT I WANNA EXPLAIN IT IS THE REASON WHY YOU SHOULD LEAN TO OPPOSING THE HILLCREST HIGH SCHOOL BASEBALL LIGHTING IN ITS CURRENT INCOMPLETE STATUS. HOWEVER, I WANT TO MAKE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS HELP EVERYONE MOVE TOWARDS A STRONG SUPPORTING STATUS. MY HOME IS FIVE HOUSES AWAY FROM HILLCREST HIGH SCHOOL. I'VE ALWAYS SUPPORTED THE SCHOOL. HOWEVER, IN THE SPRING OF 2023, I BECAME A VICTIM OF DEVASTATING HIGH SCHOOL, UH, HILLCREST HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT VANDALISM. I WAS OUT OF TOWN. STUDENTS COMPLETELY TRASHED THE INTERIOR OF MY HOME WITH EXTENSIVE DAMAGE, INCLUDING THE SPRAY PAINTING OF MS 13, UH, GANG SYMBOLS, MESSAGES, AND PORNOGRAPHIC IMAGES. THE DAMAGE WAS PRICED AT $20,000. I ENGAGED BOTH DALLAS CITY POLICE AND DISD. POLICE EVIDENCE WAS GATHERED WITH SERIOUSLY, UH, IMPLICATED AT LEAST ONE HISPANIC HILLCREST STUDENT WHO HAD ALREADY, UH, HAD A PREVIOUS CRIMINAL OFFENSE. NO ARREST WAS MADE BECAUSE THE PERPETRATORS WEREN'T PHYSICALLY CAUGHT AT THE TIME OF, OF THE CRIME. SIX MONTHS LATER AFTER THAT, MY HOUSE WAS VANDALIZED AND ROBBED BY STUDENTS, UH, BETWEEN TWO AND 4:30 PM ON SCHOOL. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, SIR. THAT'S YOUR TIME. OH, I THOUGHT IT WAS THREE MINUTES. YEP. THREE MINUTES FROM, FROM THE BEGINNING OF WHEN YOU STARTED SPEAKING TO THE END. SO YOU'VE HAD, SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, SIR, SIR, COULD, COULD WE MOVE, COULD WE MOVE THIS FINAL DECISION TO MARCH? SIR, AGAIN, THAT YOU'VE HAD YOUR THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. THANK YOU FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR INPUT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? OKAY. SINCE THERE IS OPPOSITION, UM, THE APPLICANT GETS A THREE MINUTE REBUTTAL OR TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL. THANK YOU. UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO MR. TROT FOR MAKING IT OUT HERE. HE WAS THERE AT OUR COMMUNITY MEETING THIS WEEK, UM, AND TOLD US HIS STORY. I KNOW HE DIDN'T GET TO READ ALL OF HIS STATEMENT, BUT HE WAS ABLE TO TELL US HIS ENTIRE STORY. HE'S ALSO WORKED WITH OUR PRINCIPAL IN THAT MATTER, UM, THREE YEARS AGO. AND SO WE ARE VERY FOCUSED ON ENSURING THAT WE ARE BUILDING A BRIDGE TO OUR COMMUNITY AND NOT BUILDING WALLS. THERE'S OTHER INITIATIVES THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING AND WORKING ON, SUCH AS THE TRACK AND JUST TRYING TO BUILD A BRIDGE TO THE COMMUNITY, UM, SO THAT THEY FEEL SAFE IN THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I THINK THAT ENCOURAGING THE EXTRACURRICULARS, SUCH AS THE BASEBALL TEAM IS AN ADDITIONAL WAY THAT WE CAN HELP INVITE THE COMMUNITY ONTO OUR CAMPUS AND MAKE THEM FEEL SAFE IN ADDITION TO ALSO RAISING, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY VALUE OF THE COMMUNITY AROUND US BY HAVING ONE OF THE, UM, PREMIER [03:50:01] PUBLIC SCHOOLS IN THE AREA. UM, SO I DID WANNA THANK YOU FOR COMING IN AND EXPRESSING YOUR CONCERNS AND, UM, JUST STATING THAT WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING TOWARDS MAKING SURE THAT THIS IS NOT JUST A HILLCREST EDITION, BUT FOR THE GREATER COMMUNITY AS WELL. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MA'AM. UH, COMMISSIONER COX, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO HAVE A MOTION. IF I COULD THOUGH, BEFORE I MAKE THE MOTION, JUST COMMENT. UH, COMMISSIONER COX, MAKE YOUR MOTION AND THEN YOU CAN THEN COMMENT. COMMENT. OKAY. SO, REGARDING CASE NUMBER Z DASH 25 0 0 0 2 1 4, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE, UH, THE AGREEMENT TO PD 7 0 3, BOUNDED BY HILLCREST ROAD, ABERDEEN AVENUE, AIRLINE ROAD, AND LAKEHURST AVENUE. SECOND, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND. AND IS THAT SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, TMP AND CONDITIONS? IT IS. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER COX FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER KAUFMAN FOR YOUR SECOND, YOUR COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER COX. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I, I WANT TO EXPRESS SOME EMPATHY TOWARDS MR. TROTT. I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND, UH, THE, THE TRAUMA AND, AND THE PAIN THAT THE, THE BREAK IN CAUSED. UM, I DO THINK THAT ACCORDING TO THE PRINCIPAL OF THE SCHOOL, THE SCHOOL IS WORKING WITH YOU OR HAS WORKED WITH YOU ON THAT TO TRY TO, UM, MITIGATE ANY FUTURE, UH, MISBEHAVIOR, IF YOU WILL, BY THE STUDENTS, UH, AS FAR AS THEY CAN CONTROL THAT. UM, I, I WILL SAY THIS, THE, THE COMMUNITY MEETING I THOUGHT WAS WELL ATTENDED. THERE WERE APPROXIMATELY 20 OR SO INDIVIDUALS THERE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NEVER ENOUGH. IT'S FRUSTRATING THAT MORE PEOPLE DON'T TURN OUT. HAVING SAID THAT, UH, I THINK THERE WAS TREMENDOUS, UH, SUPPORT THAT CAME IN VIA EMAIL AS WELL. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHEELER. UM, I'M, I'M DEFINITELY GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION, BUT I WANT ALSO ASK MS. THURMAN OF QUESTIONS. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? ABSOLUTELY. MS. THURMAN, ONE OF THE QUESTION, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IN OUR BRIEFING IS, UH, THAT MEAN THAT I COURSE I ASKED STAFF WAS, IS THESE THE SAME LIGHTS THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED AT SAMUEL HIGH SAMUEL, UM, SOCK AND, AND IS IN WORKS? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S COMPLETED AT LINCOLN HIGH SCHOOL. IS THESE THE SAME TYPE OF LIGHTS? WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. MICROPHONE. THESE ARE THE SAME ONES. WE HAVE WT WHITE FROM MUSCO, THE NEW ONES, LINCOLN AND SAMUEL? YES. AND, AND, AND, AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. AT SOME POINT WE'RE GONNA NEED YOU TO RING PROBABLY A VISUAL AND THESE LIGHTS SHINE DIRECTLY ONTO THE FIELD. YES. AND NOT ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE FIELD AS THE OLD LIGHTS WERE BLARING. THESE ARE NOT THE OLD LIGHTS. OKAY. YEAH. AND I, I DEFINITELY WANNA SUPPORT THIS, UH, THIS MOTION. 'CAUSE WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT CHILDREN THAT ARE IN, THAT ARE INVOLVED IN EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES ARE LESS LIKELY TO BE BREAKING THE LAW OR DOING NEGATIVE ACTIVITIES WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO TO HAVE THIS WHERE THEY CAN HAVE THOSE EXTENDED HOURS OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL HOURS, DEFINITELY HELP LIMIT THAT ACCESS TO OTHER NEGATIVE COMPONENTS. YES. AND THIS IS ALSO SIMILAR TO HOW WE HAD ON LINCOLN, UM, SAFETY FOR THE CHILDREN. I MEAN, AND PARENTS GOING TO THEIR CARS. YEAH. YEAH. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. BUT I WILL ALSO BE USEFUL FOR ANY MOTION. GREAT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER KAUFMAN? UH, I, I'D LIKE TO OFFER THIS JUST AS A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPLANATION. THESE LIGHTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY, UH, BEING INSTALLED AROUND THROUGH DISD ARE PART OF THE 2020 BOND ISSUE. AND IT IS THEIR INTENT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT THEY ARE GOING INTO, UH, ALL THE CAMPUSES AND OFFERING THEM ONE FIELD TO HAVE LIT UP. THIS IS WHAT HILLCREST IS DOING. SO, UH, ANY OTHER LIGHTS FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD WILL COME FROM ANOTHER BOND ISSUE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, CARPENTER, UH, FOR MR. TROTT, COULD I ASK YOU A QUESTION? PLEASE? YOU INDICATED THAT YOU HAD SOME SPECIFIC SUGGESTIONS THAT WOULD MAKE THIS APPLICATION FOR LIGHTING ACCEPTABLE TO YOU. CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THOSE PLEASE, SIR? MICRO, SIR. MICROPHONE, I THINK YOUR MICROPHONE NEEDS TO BE TURNED BACK ON. THERE'S A BUTTON ON THE BOTTOM OF THE MIC. OH, THERE WE GO. I'M SORRY. UH, MY CONCERN IS SAFETY. IT'S NOT THE WATTAGE, THE LUMENS. SO I SUPPORT THE LIGHTING. WHAT MY RECOMMENDATION WAS IS THAT WE ENGAGED THE DALLAS'S POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHO I'VE ACTIVELY WORKED WITH AND OTHER NEIGHBORS HAVE ACTIVE WORKED WITH, AND THE, THE DISD POLICE TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT, THAT [03:55:01] AS WE EXTEND THE STUDENTS INTO THE EVENING ONTO THAT PROPERTY, THAT THOSE TWO POLICING AUTHORITIES ARE ALSO PART OF THIS PROCESS AND AGREEING TO AND SUPPORTING THAT THEY HAVE THE RESOURCES TO GIVE THE, THE TYPE OF SECURITY THAT'S NEEDED WHEN THE STUDENTS AND THE TEAMS AND THE, AND THE WHOEVER'S AT THE VENUE IS, IS THERE AT NIGHT. ALRIGHT. THAT'S THE WHOLE, THAT'S THE WHOLE THING ABOUT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IS, IS HAVING, AS HAVING THOSE TWO, UH, PLEAING AUTHORITIES ENGAGED. OKAY. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. COULD I FOLLOW UP WITH A REP, MS. THURMAN, PERHAPS? OF COURSE. COMMISSIONER IN RESPONSE TO MR. TROTT'S CONCERN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SECURITY IN THE EVENINGS DURING THESE, UM, EVENTS. UH, DOES THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TYPICALLY HAVE SECURITY ONSITE? THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DOES HAVE SECURITY. YEAH. AND WE SPOKE ABOUT THAT ON TUESDAY. YES, IT IS, UH, BOTH A UIL REQUIREMENT AND A DALLAS ISD REQUIREMENT THAT WE STAFF ALL OF OUR, UH, HOME EVENTS ON CAMPUS WITH A POLICE OFFICER, A SECURITY OFFICER, AND ONE OF OUR CAMPUS ADMINISTRATORS, LIKE A PRINCIPAL, ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL. AND THAT'S AT BARE MINIMUM. AND THAT'S FOR THE DURATION OF EACH OF THESE EVENTS, CORRECT? YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH TO FINISH. COMMISSIONER SERATO? YEAH, I JUST HAD A COMMENT. UM, I THINK THIS IS, UM, I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION SINCE NOVEMBER AND I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY THE THIRD TIME I'VE HEARD, UM, A RESIDENT, UH, COMPLAINING ABOUT THE, THE LACK OF NOTICE AND THEIR ABILITY TO GIVE FEEDBACK, UM, THAT THEY'RE UNABLE TO MAIL IN THEIR FEEDBACK ON TIME. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS PLENTY OF PEOPLE AT YOUR MEETING AND THAT THERE WERE OTHERS WHO EMAILED IN THEIR CONCERNS, BUT I, I THOUGHT AT SOME POINT WE HAD AGREED THAT WE WOULD HOST SOME KIND OF SPECIAL MEETING OR COMMITTEE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN, UH, REMEDY THAT A LITTLE BIT. BUT, UM, YEAH, THIS IS SEVERAL TIMES THAT I, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION AND IT'S ONLY BEEN A FEW MONTHS THAT I'VE HEARD THAT RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE THE, THE TIME TO TURN IN THEIR FEEDBACK. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER COX? JUST TO THANK YOU FOR THAT. I, AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT, WE, WE KNOW THAT THERE CLEARLY, UH, IS A LAG IN THE POSTAL SERVICE AND THESE THINGS ARE BEING RECEIVED LATE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ACCORDING TO STAFF, THEY'RE SENDING THESE OUT 14 DAYS IN ADVANCE, UH, WHICH A STATE REQUIREMENT IS ONLY 10. SO I THINK THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY CAN. I'M NOT SURE HOW WE IMPROVE THE POSTAL SERVICE. THAT'S AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ISSUE. UH, BUT I DO, I I I, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT IT CONTINUES TO BE A PROBLEM. WE SEE THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN IN THE CORRESPONDENCE THAT WE GET FROM RESIDENTS, UH, COMMENTING ON THESE CASES. THANK YOU. YEAH, MR. BATE. THANK YOU. AND JUST TO ADD ONE OTHER THING, UH, WITH REGARDS TO THE REPLY FORMS, UH, CERTAINLY WE ALWAYS WANT RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO GET THEIR, UH, FEEDBACK TO US AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND CERTAINLY BEFORE THE COMMISSION AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. UH, THAT BEING SAID, ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF THE REPLY FORMS IS FOR THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENT OF LOGGING, UH, PROTESTS AGAINST THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE THAT ABOVE A CERTAIN THRESHOLD TRIGGERS A SUPER MAJORITY REQUIREMENT AT CITY COUNCIL. IF WE RECEIVE A CPC REPLY FORM AFTER THE, THE DEADLINE FOR CPC, UH, IT IS STILL COUNTED WHEN WE DO THE TALLY FOR THE CITY COUNCIL OVERALL. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE, THOSE REPLY FORMS ARE STILL RECORDED. WE CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO SEND THEM IN, EVEN IF THEY'RE CUTTING CLOSE TO THE CPC DEADLINE. UH, YOU KNOW, REGRETTABLY, UH, WE DID PUT THIS OUT ON THE 22ND AND, UH, I PRESUME DUE TO THE WEATHER EVENT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UH, THAT LED TO THE DELAY IN THE POSTAL SERVICE POSTMARKING AND DELIVERING IT, UH, I KNOW PERSONALLY I HAD A PARCEL THAT WAS STUCK IN THE DISTRIBUTION CENTER OVER IN WEST DALLAS FOR LIKE A WEEK, JUST 'CAUSE BIG BACKLOG. I'M GONNA, SINCE YOU'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY, I'M GONNA SPEAK THIS ROUND, THEN WE'LL GO TO A, A SECOND ROUND. UM, I DID WANNA JUST GENERALLY SPEAK TO NOTICE ISSUES AND I MAY HAVE, UM, A QUESTION OR TWO FOR, FOR STAFF, BUT STATE LAW AND, AND CITY CODE AS WELL REQUIRES THE CITY TO PROVIDE THE WRITTEN NOTICES THAT WENT OUT. I BELIEVE THAT THEY GO OUT 14 DAYS BEFORE. UM, IT REQUIRES SIGNAGE ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH I UNDERSTAND WAS POSTED. AND THEN MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WHEN APPLICANTS HAVE COMMUNITY MEETINGS LIKE THE DISTRICT DID HERE, THEY ALSO SEND OUT NOTICES. IS THAT RIGHT, MS. THURMAN? AND WERE THERE NOTICES SENT OUT BY THE CITY FOR, OR I'M SORRY, THE DISTRICT FOR THIS MEETING IF YOU WANNA COME DOWN. WE DO, WE DO THE SECOND LAYER OF POSTCARDS. OKAY. SO, AND I DID BRAVE THAT WEATHER AND GOT TO THE POST OFFICE AND THEY WENT OUT. OKAY, GREAT. AND THEN JUST ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION OR, OR COMMENT. THIS MAY GO TO STAFF OR THIS MAY GO TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S [04:00:01] OFFICE. THE STATE LEGISLATURE DID GIVE CITIES AN OP OPTION TO GIVE NOTICE ELECTRONICALLY TO NEIGHBORS IN THIS LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION. RIGHT? THERE IS SOMETHING, THERE WAS A STATUTE THAT WAS PASSED THAT DOES SOMETHING ABOUT I THINK NOTICES, BUT I DON'T, I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH IT. I KNOW MICHAEL HAS A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND ON IT. I DUNNO IF YOU WANNA CHIME IN ON IT. IS IT FAIR TO SAY IT WAS SO CUMBERSOME THAT IT'S NOT WORKABLE FOR ANY CITIES? YES. OKAY. OR AT LEAST IT DOESN'T NEC I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD FULLY ACCOMPLISH THE GOALS OF BETTER COMMUNICATION AND TRANSPARENCY THE WAY YOU'D HOPE. IS IT AN OPT-IN SYSTEM? YES. OKAY, GREAT. WELL, I HOPE THE LEGISLATURE WILL CONTINUE TO REFINE THAT BECAUSE THERE WERE, THERE'S GOOD OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE CITY TO PROVIDE OFFICIAL NOTICE IN OTHER WAYS, BUT OUR, OUR HANDS ARE, ARE TIED THERE. SO SINCE THAT CAME UP, I DID WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE COVERED THAT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER WHEELER. UM, WE WANNA ALSO ALWAYS ENCOURAGE OUR OUR, AS WE ARE HAVING MEETINGS AND AS WE GETTING TO KNOW OUR NEIGHBORS TO HAVE THEM SIGN UP FOR, FOR NOTIFICATIONS FROM THE CITY, WHICH IS ALWAYS THE BEST KIND OF WAY TO GO. UM, I PROBABLY GET TOO MANY NOTIFICATIONS, BUT THE CITY OF DALLAS DOES, UH, HAVE A WAY THAT YOU GET NOTIFIED ON ALMOST EVERYTHING AND THAT THAT WORKS A LOT BETTER. AND, AND BEING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS MAKING SURE WE DON'T ALWAYS GET, WE DON'T ALWAYS GET IT RIGHT, BUT THERE IS OTHER AVENUES AND UM, I ENCOURAGE, I DO KNOW THAT FOR A FACT THAT MS. MS UH, THURMAN OVERLY COMMUNICATES ABOUT AND DO YOU NEED ME TO, AND SHE DOES THAT, UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO DISD ISSUES. COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, SEEING NONE, WE HAVE A COMMOTION BY MOTION, NOT COMOTION, BUT JUST A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COX, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KAUFMAN TO FOLLOW THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. SUBSTITUTE AN AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN TMP AND CONDITIONS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. HEY, 25 [25. 26-468A An application for the removal of D Liquor Control Overlay on property zoned Subarea 11 within Planned Development District 298, the Bryan Area Special Purpose District with a D Liquor Control Overlay, on the southeast line of Swiss Avenue, northeast of North Haskell Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: San Luis Foods, LLC - Leticia Espinoza Representative: BrackinSchwartz, PLLC - Marcus Schwartz Planner: Michael V. Pepe Council District: 2 Z-25-000117] ITEM 25 IS CASES E 25 107 AND APPLICATION FOR THE REMOVAL OF DEALER CONTROL OVERLAY ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB AREA 11 WITH PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 2 98, THE BRYAN AREA SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH THE DE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF SWISS AVENUE, NORTHEAST OF NORTH HASKELL AVENUE. STAFF'S. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT OF CASE 25? I SEE THAT THERE ARE THREE PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ONLINE AS REPRESENTATIVES OR ANY OF THEM ON UH, CATHERINE CHAMBLEE, JONATHAN BLAINE AND JUAN TORRES. OKAY. OUR ONLINE SPEAKERS ARE NOT THERE. ANY SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION TO CASE NUMBER 25 I COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? UM, I DO. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF Z DASH 25 DASH 0 0 0 1 1 7. I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND DIRECT STAFF TO RE-NOTICE FOR CONSIDERATION OF A D ONE OVERLAY AND I BELIEVE THE DATE WILL BE MARCH 5TH, BUT I'LL DEFER TO STAFF IF THEY NEED THE EXTRA TIME FOR NOTICES. I SEE A THUMBS UP OVER THERE. OKAY, MARCH THE FIFTH AND I HAVE COMMENTS OF, I HAVE A SECOND. OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND. THANK YOU. UM, I THINK I TOUCHED ON A LITTLE BIT OF THE BRIEFING, BUT MANY OF YOU MAY HAVE SEEN WHEN YOU WERE REVIEWING THE CASE REPORT THAT THIS SITE IS HIGHLY UNUSUAL. IT IS ACTUALLY MID-BLOCK IN A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AREA. UM, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S PART OF THE GASTON AVENUE COMMERCIAL STRIP, BUT IT ACTUALLY EXTENDS BACK AND HAS LOADING AND PARKING ALONG A RESIDENTIAL BLOCK FACE. IT IS LESS THAN 10 FEET FROM TWO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES WITH A DRIVE AISLE ON ONE SIDE. UM, I UNDERSTAND THIS GROCERY STORE, THEY'VE BEEN THERE SINCE THE 1960S. I'VE VISITED THEM, THEY'VE BEEN THERE SINCE I'VE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY'VE BEEN A GOOD OPERATOR. THEY HAVE A LONG HISTORY. HOWEVER, IT'S A CONCERN TO ME TO SIMPLY REMOVE THE ABILITY TO REVIEW THIS, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMPATIBILITY REMAINS, UM, AS THEY CONTINUE ON THEIR NEXT LIFE. SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR MY MOTION AND I HOPE YOU WILL SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU. OH, I WILL JUST NOTE I WAS IN TOUCH WITH THE APPLICANT'S. THEY AWARE OF THIS, SO THEY MAY HAVE ELECTED TO JOIN US ON OUR NEXT HEARING DATE. THANK YOU. GOOD DEAL. UH, COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, SEEING NONE, WE HAVE A MOTION TO RE-NOTICE FOR A D ONE WITH SUP AND HOLD IT TO MARCH 5TH. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. IT IS 2:00 PM WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK AND BE BACK AT TWO 10. OKAY. [04:05:02] UH, COMMISSIONERS, IT IS 2:15 PM AND WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD AND WE [26. 26-469A An application for MF-2(A) Multifamily District on property zoned R-7.5(A) Single Family District, between the north terminus of North Boulevard Terrace and Plymouth Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval of a TH-3(A) Townhouse District. Applicant: Christian Chernock Representative: Audra Buckley U/A From: September 4, 2025 and October 9, 2025, and November 20, 2025. Planner: Martin Bate Council District: 1 Z-25-000069] WILL READ IN CASE NUMBER 26. ITEM 26 IS CASE Z 25 0 0 6 9. AN APPLICATION FOR MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED R SEVEN FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT BETWEEN THE NORTH TERMINUS OF NORTH BOULEVARD, TERRACE, AND PLYMOUTH ROAD STAFF. RECOMMENDATIONS, APPROVAL OF TH THREE, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT. THANK YOU MR. BATE. MS. BUCKLEY. GOOD AFTERNOON. ANDRA BUCKLEY. 1414 BELLEVUE STREET, SUITE ONE 50, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 5 HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT AND THE OWNER IN THIS, UH, APPLICATION. THIS ONE'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING, I'M GLAD WE'RE FILING IN FRONT OF YOU. UH, WE DID HAVE SOME CASES SUBMITTED BACK IN 2024 THAT WE ENDED UP WITHDRAWING BEFORE THEY EVER GOT TO CPC. AND UM, I'M KIND OF CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE BECAUSE I'VE GOT A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WANTS A PD. I'VE GOT STAFF THAT WANTS TH THREE AND I HAVE AN APPLICANT WHO WANTS MF TWO. SO TRYING TO KEEP WITH WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS REQUESTING WITH THE PD. I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING THAT MARTIN DID A REALLY GOOD JOB THIS MORNING DISCUSSING THAT. AND WHAT I TRIED TO DO TO TRY TO FIND THE MIDDLE GROUND FROM BEING TUGGED AT IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS WAS TO FIND SOME CONDITIONS THAT I WOULD'VE INCLUDED IN A PD AND PUT IT IN A, INTO A DEED RESTRICTION. BECAUSE YOU ALL KNOW THAT PD LANGUAGE TRUMPS A DRAWING. SO IF THERE'S A CONFLICT BETWEEN A DRAWING AND THE, THE PD ORDINANCE, THE OR THE TEXT OF THE ORDINANCE IS GOING TO PREVAIL. SO THAT IS WHY WE TRY TO PUT IT THAT WAY. UM, RIGHT NOW ON OUR DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, WE'RE ASKING FOR 40% LOT COVERAGE THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED. WE REDUCE THAT FURTHER TO 30% BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA NEED THE 40. THAT WILL PROBABLY BE THE ONLY TIME YOU EVER HEAR ME COME TO THE HORSESHOE AND ASK FOR A 30% LOT COVERAGE. LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET IT TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. OKAY, THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT GOING TO MY NEXT SLIDE. HERE WE GO. OKAY. SO FROM THE, FROM THE COMMENTS THAT WE GOT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE DID KNOW THAT THERE WAS A, A BIG CONCERN ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION OF COOMBS CREEK. WE DID DO THE 20 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN LINE BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN ACTUALLY BE MARKED ON THE GROUND AND MOVE BACKWARDS. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD SEE, SOMETHING THE ARCHITECT COULD SEE AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT HE'S THINKING ABOUT ACTUALLY FITS WITHIN, UH, THAT 20 FOOT, WHICH MEANS WE CAN'T HAVE ANY BUILDINGS, ANY PAVING, UH, NO PERMEABLE PAVING. UH, WE'VE ALSO TRIED TO TIGHTEN THIS UP TO ONE PARKING SPACE PER UNIT. SO WHEN YOU TAKE 30% LOCK COVERAGE IN ONE SPACE PER UNIT RATHER THAN THE HALF THAT CODE ALLOWS, THAT REALLY RESTRICTS, UH, EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON. WE ALSO TALK, WE ALSO TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY, THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE SHORT TERM RENTALS. SOME OF YOU GUYS DON'T LIKE THE SHORT TERM RENTALS, SO WE PROHIBIT PROHIBITED THAT. AND WE WERE ALSO ASKED TO DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE TRAIL. NOW I DID HEAR SOMETHING THIS MORNING ABOUT THE TRAIL THAT YOU WANTED LINEAL FEET. WE CAN'T REALLY GIVE YOU THAT AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CIVIL DESIGN PROCESS BECAUSE THIS SITE IS GONNA BE NUTS TO TRY TO DO FROM A CIVIL ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE. UM, SO WE DID NOT PUT LINEAL FEAT IN THIS. NOW THIS IS WHERE WE STARTED IN 2024. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. OH, THANK YOU MISS. THAT'S FINE. NEXT SPEAKER AND SUPPORT. CHRISTIAN, YOU GOTTA SHOW WHERE WE STARTED. DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING. CHRISTIAN CHERNOCK 1611 RIO VISTA DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 8. THANK YOU [04:10:01] COMMISSIONERS. I WANNA START BY TALKING ABOUT THE SITE ITSELF SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHY I FILED THE ZONING CASE. THIS IS AN EXTREMELY RARE SITE. IT'S APPROXIMATELY FOUR AND A HALF ACRES OF GREEN SPACE ALONG COOMBS CREEK CLOSE TO THE URBAN CORE. IT'S GOT DEFINING FEATURES OF AN ESTABLISHED TREE CANOPY, SOME MEANINGFUL TOPOGRAPHY. URBAN INFILL SITES LIKE THIS ARE EXTREMELY UNCOMMON AND IT'S WHY I LOOK AT THIS PROJECT. AS A ONCE IN A CAREER OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING VERY UNIQUE AND SPECIAL ON A SITE THAT'S VERY UNIQUE. THERE'S TWO WAYS THAT THE SITE CAN BE DEVELOPED. OPTION ONE WOULD BE TO DETACH THE HOUSING AND LET IT SPRAWL ACROSS THE SITE. THIS IS WHAT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION PROPOSES AND IT'S WHAT THE CURRENT ZONING ENTITLEMENTS AT THE SITE WOULD ALSO PROMOTE. I'M OFFERING A DIFFERENT OPTION WHERE WE TAKE THE LIVING UNITS AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND WE PUT THEM IN TWO LOCATIONS, IN TWO MODEST SIZED BUILDINGS AND WE LEAVE THE REST OF THE SITE IN ACREAGE, OPEN TO NATURE AND THE TREES. ANY FORM OF DETACHED HOUSING AT THE SITE IS GOING TO EQUAL SPRAWL. IT'S NOT GONNA MATTER IF WE DO TOWN HOMES OR TINY HOMES OR SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES OR DUPLEXES. IF THEY'RE ON TINY LOTS OR MEDIUM SIZED LOTS, IT'S ALL GOING TO EQUAL SPRAWL THAT PUSHES THE SITE CLOSER TO THE CREEK. IT'S GOING TO REDUCE THE PERMEABLE SURFACES AND INCREASE RUNOFF INTO THE CREEK. IT'S GONNA REMOVE TREES, IT'S GONNA BREAK UP THE NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY. THE SPRAWL IS GOING TO ERASE EVERYTHING THAT MAKES THIS SITE SPECIAL. AND CONSOLIDATING THE BUILDING FOOTPRINTS INTO TWO, TWO LOCATIONS PROTECTS IT. IT'S EASY TO GET PREOCCUPIED IN THE ZONING CLASSES, A TOWN HOME IN DUPLEX AND SINGLE FAMILY. BUT WHAT MATTERS IS THE UNDERLYING FORM THAT THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN CREATES ON A TYPICAL FLAT INFILL SITE. THOSE DISTINCTIONS MATTER LESS. BUT ON A SITE THIS RARE WITH THIS MUCH POTENTIAL, WHICH HAS REAL ENVIRONMENTAL AND NATURAL VALUE, THE FORM HAS TO BE THE DRIVER OF HOW THIS SITE GETS DEVELOPED. AND MAKE NO MISTAKE, THIS SITE WILL GET DEVELOPED SOMEDAY. IT'S NOT A MATTER OF IF OR WHEN IT'S, IT'S REALLY ABOUT WHAT FORM THIS SITE WILL ULTIMATELY TAKE. THERE'S NOTHING IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT WOULD PRECLUDE THIS SITE OR IN THE ZONING CODES OR IN THE CITY DESIGN AND ENGINEERING MANUALS THAT WOULD PREVENT THIS SITE FROM BEING DEVELOPED. AND SO WHAT I'M REALLY ASKING YOU FOR TODAY IS A RECONFIGURATION OF HOW THIS SITE GETS LAID OUT. I'M NOT ASKING FOR AN EXPANSION OF INTENSITY, I'M NOT ASKING FOR INCREASED SETBACKS OR ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OR AN EXISTING OR INCREASING THE LOCK COVERAGE. I'M ASKING YOU TO RECONFIGURE THE UNITS INTO TWO BUILDINGS. IT'S ABOUT CHOOSING TWO BUILDINGS AND MORE TREES INSTEAD OF DOZENS OF ROOFS AND MORE PAVEMENTS IN HUNDREDS OF LINEAR FEET OF DRIVE ISLES AND DRIVEWAYS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT? COME ON DOWN AND IF THERE ARE ANY FURTHER SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT, IF YOU JUST WANNA COME ON DOWN AND SIT IN THE FRONT ROW. SO MY NAME IS UH, EMILY THOMPSON AND MY ADDRESS IS 7 2 4 NORTH BOULEVARD TERRACE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 1. MY PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE NOTICING RADIUS FOR THIS CASE, AND I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE ZONING REQUEST. I'M A REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL WITH DIRECT UH, EXPERIENCE SELLING AND ADVISING ON RE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT OAK CLIFF. MY WORK REQUIRES AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW DEVELOPMENT AFFECTS THE NEIGHBORHOODS OVER TIME, NOT JUST FROM A MARKET PERSPECTIVE, BUT FROM A LIVABILITY DESIGN AND COMMUNITY STANDPOINT. I HAVE MET WITH THIS DEVELOPER ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, AND I'VE TAKEN THE TIME TO UNDERSTAND THIS PROJECT IN DETAIL. I'VE MADE MULTIPLE ATTEMPTS TO MEET WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE NORTH BOULEVARD TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, SO I COULD BETTER UNDERSTAND ANY CONCERNS FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. BUT THOSE OUTREACH EFFORTS WENT UNANSWERED BASED ON THESE CONVERSATIONS IN MY REVIEW. I'M CONFIDENT THAT I UNDERSTAND BOTH WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AND THE BROADER VISION. IT'S A THOUGHTFULLY DESIGNED MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT INTENDED TO REINVEST IN AND ENHANCE THIS PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, OVER TIME, IT'S IMPORTANT TO, UH, REMEMBER THAT OAK CLIFF HAS ALWAYS BEEN A MIX. MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS OF VARYING SIZES ALONGSIDE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND DUPLEXES ARE ONE OF THE DEFINING CHARACTERISTICS OF THIS AREA. THIS PROPOSAL IS NOT A DEPARTURE FROM THAT PATTERN. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT STYLE THAT'S BEEN HERE FOR MORE THAN SIX 70 YEARS. I'VE ALSO RESEARCHED THE DEVELOPER'S BACKGROUND. WHAT I FOUND IS A 25 PLUS YEAR TRACK RECORD OF WELL-DESIGNED NEIGHBORHOOD AWARE PROJECTS, INCLUDING A PRESERVATION DALLAS AWARD FOR BEST NEW CONSTRUCTION IN A CONSERVATION DISTRICT. THAT KIND OF RECOGNITION SPEAKS TO THE LEVEL OF CARE AND DESIGN QUALITY THAT'S BEING BROUGHT TO THIS PROJECT. [04:15:01] CHANGE IS DIFFICULT, ESPECIALLY IN NEIGHBORHOOD THAT PEOPLE CARE DEEPLY ABOUT, BUT IT IS A REALITY THAT MUST BE FACED. REDEVELOPMENT ON THIS STREET IS ALREADY HAPPENING, AND THIS LAND WILL BE DEVELOPED BY SOMEBODY. I WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE A THOUGHTFUL MULTIFAMILY PROJECT BY AN EXPERIENCED DESIGN FORWARD DEVELOPER THAN A GENERIC OVERBUILT SINGLE FAMILY PROJECT THAT HAS A LITTLE REGARD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT, COMMUNITY, OR AESTHETICS. THERE'S ALSO BEEN A LOT OF MISINFORMATION CIRCULATING ABOUT WHO THE DEVELOPER IS, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, AND WHAT COULD ALREADY BE BUILT ON THIS SITE. BY RIGHT, FROM WHAT I'VE REVIEWED AND DISCUSSED, THIS PROPOSAL PUTS REAL LIMITS IN PLACE, CREATES PREDICTABILITY AND RESULTS IN A MUCH MORE THOUGHTFUL PROJECT THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE BUILT UNDER SB 15. FINALLY, WHILE I SUPPORTED THIS PROJECT, EVEN BEFORE THE DEED RESTRICTIONS WERE INTRODUCED, I BELIEVE THESE SAFEGUARDS SHOULD BE, SHOULD GIVE THE COMMUNITY CONFIDENCE THEY INCLUDE NO SHORT-TERM RENTALS, PARKING AT DOUBLE THE CODE REQUIREMENT, INCREASED ENVIRONMENTAL SETBACKS, REDUCED LOT COVERAGE, AND A NATURE TRAIL THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE BROADER COMMUNITY. FOR ALL THESE REASONS, I RESPECTFULLY URGE THE COMMITTEE TO SUPPORT THE ZONING REQUEST. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT? OKAY. WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION, AND IF Y'ALL WANT TO COME DOWN AND SIT IN THE FRONT ROW, THAT MIGHT HELP MAKE THINGS AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE. THREE MINUTES. THREE MINUTES. MY NAME IS LAURA EEL. I LIVE AT 91 0 9, CLEAR LAKE DRIVE, CHAIR AND COMMISSION. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY. I WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT THIS CASE IS AND WHAT IT IS NOT. THIS IS NOT A TECHNICAL ZONING CORRECTION OR A CLEANUP ITEM. IT'S A DISCRETIONARY REQUEST TO FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE LAND USE FROM SINGLE FAMILY TO MULTIFAMILY BY INTRODUCING APARTMENTS ON A DEAD END RESIDENTIAL STREET. THIS DISTINCTION IS CRUCIAL. TECHNICAL CASES ARE OBJECTIVE AND FOCUS ON CORRECTING ERRORS. DISCRETIONARY REZONINGS REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT JUDGMENT AS THEY ALTER DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER, AND THE CITY'S ABILITY TO MANAGE IMPACTS OVER TIME. ONCE GRANTED, THESE ENTITLEMENTS CANNOT BE EASILY REDUCED, LIMITING THE CITY'S TOOLS FOR IN, FOR ENSURING COMPATIBILITY. BECAUSE OF THIS, THE BAR IS SET HIGHER FOR DISCRETIONARY REZONINGS. THEY MUST DEMONSTRATE A CLEAR PUBLIC BENEFIT AND ALIGN STRONGLY WITH OUR ADOPTED POLICIES. IT IS INSUFFICIENT FOR A PROJECT TO BE LEGALLY PERMISSIBLE OR FINANCIALLY ATTRACTIVE. WE MUST ASK WHETHER THIS LAND USE CHANGE SERVES THE BROADER PUBLIC INTEREST. AS YOU WILL HEAR FROM THE SPEAKERS FOLLOWING ME, THIS APPLICATION FAILS TO MEET THAT TEST. IT CONFLICTS WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LACKS SUPPORT FROM STAFF. DISREGARDS BUY RIGHT HOUSING ALTERNATIVES ALREADY AUTHORIZED BY THE LEGISLATURE INCREASES ENVIRONMENTAL RISK IN A FLOOD PRONE AREA AND HAS A TROUBLING PROCEDURAL HISTORY. THIS IS NOT ROUTINE ZONING. IT IS A PERMANENT POLICY DECISION DESERVING THE HIGHEST SCRUTINY. STAFF REVIEW IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT SAFEGUARDS IN OUR ZONING PROCESS. STAFF EVALUATE ZONING APPLICATIONS AGAINST ADOPTED PLANS, INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY, ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS, AND COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS. THEIR ROLE IS TO PROVIDE PROFESSIONAL ANALYSIS TO ENSURE TO DISCRETIONARY DECISIONS ARE GROUNDED IN POLICY RATHER THAN MERE ADVOCACY. IN THIS INSTANCE, EVEN AFTER AMENDMENTS, STAFF DOES NOT SUPPORT THE REQUEST. THIS IS NOT JUST A PROCEDURAL DETAIL. IT INDICATES THAT THE PROPOSAL DOES NOT MEET THE CITY'S CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL. WHILE THE COMMISSION HAS INDEPENDENT JUDGMENT, OVERRIDING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS SHOULD BE RARE AND DELIBERATE, REQUIRING CLEAR JUSTIFICATION GROUNDED IN POLICY OR PUBLIC BENEFIT. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT JUSTIFICATION HAS NOT BEEN PRESENTED HERE. THE CORE CONFLICTS REMAIN UNRESOLVED, AND THE AMENDMENTS DO NOT ADDRESS FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES OF SCALE, COMPATIBILITY, POLICY CONSISTENCY, AND ENVIRONMENTAL RISK. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M REBECCA MOORE, 27 36 MA MATURE STREET, 7 5 2 1 1. I LIVE IN LT PLACE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH WHICH IS LOCATED SOUTH OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT SITE. FORWARD. DALLAS 2.0 EXISTS PRECISELY TO GUIDE DECISIONS LIKE THE ONES BEFORE YOU TODAY. THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE, AND THAT DESIGNATION IS NOT ACCIDENTAL. IT REFLECTS A DELIBERATE [04:20:01] POLICY CHOICE TO PRI PRIORITIZE NEIGHBORHOOD STABILITY, COMPATIBILITY, AND LONG-TERM HOME OWNERSHIP IN AREAS THAT FUNCTION PRIMARILY AS SINGLE FAMILY COMMUNITIES. WITHIN THIS PLACE, TYPE MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT IS NOT SUPPORTED, BUT FORWARD. DALLAS DOES MORE THAN CATEGORIZE, CATEGORIZE LAND USES. IT ALSO ESTABLISHES PROCESS PRINCIPLES. IT EXPLICITLY STATES THAT WHEN UPZONING IS CONTEMPLATED IN COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL AREAS, ROBUST AND MEANINGFUL COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS PARAMOUNT. THAT LANGUAGE RECOGNIZES THAT DISCRETIONARY REZONINGS IN THESE AREAS ARE INHERENTLY SENSITIVE AND REQUIRE HEIGHTENED CARE. THIS PROPOSAL CONFLICTS WITH BOTH ELEMENTS OF THAT GUIDANCE. IT INTRODUCES A LEVEL OF IN THE PLAN, DOES NOT SUPPORT, AND IT DOES SO DESPITE SUSTAINED AND SUBSTANTIAL COMMUNITY OPPOSITION APPROVING THIS REQUEST WITH SIGNAL THAT FORWARD DALLAS IS OPTIONAL, RATHER THAN GUIDING APPLIED WHEN CONVENIENT AND IGNORED. WHEN NOT COMPREHENSIVE PLANS ARE NOT ASPIRATIONAL BROCHURES, THEY'RE ADOPTED. POLICY FRAMEWORKS MEANT TO PROVIDE PREDICTABILITY, CONSISTENCY AND TRANSPARENCY AND DISCRETIONARY DECISIONS. WHEN THEY ARE DISREGARDED, PUBLIC TRUSTEE ERODES AND FUTURE PLANNING BECOMES MORE DIFFICULT, NOT EASIER. IF FORWARD DALLAS IS SET ASIDE HERE, IT BECOMES UNCLEAR WHEN IT APPLIES AT ALL. THIS COMMISSION SHOULD BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT UNDERMINING THE VERY PLAN DESIGNED TO GUIDE RESPONSIBLE GROWTH WITHIN THE CITY. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, JOHN PALUS, NINE 18 WESTMONT AVENUE 7 5 2 1 1. PRESIDENT OF THE LIV PLACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. UM, I'M GONNA HERE TO SPEAK ON SB FOUR, SB EIGHT 40 AND ITS APPLICABILITY IN THIS CASE, SB EIGHT 40. FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGES CHANGE THE IMPLICATION OF MULTI-FAMILY ZONING IN TEXAS. UNDER CURRENT LAW, A GENERAL MF ZONING DESIGNATION UNLOCKS MAXIMUM DEVELOPMENT ENTITLEMENT BY RIGHT WHILE SIGNIFICANTLY LIMITING THE CITY'S ABILITY TO IMPOSE TRADITIONAL COMPATIBILITY TOOLS SUCH AS RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPES AND RESTRICTIVE SETBACKS. AS CHAD WEST SAID, MONDAY NIGHT AT THE DISTRICT ONE LITERS MEETING, SB EIGHT 40 SHOULD SERVE TO PROTECT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. IN OTHER WORDS, THE COMMISSION WILL BE GRANTING PERMANENT MAXIMIZED ENTITLEMENTS WITH MINIMUM ONGOING CONTROL FOR A SINGLE FAMILY OR DUPLEX NEIGHBORHOOD WITHIN A SINGLE FAMILY AREA ON A DEAD END STREET ADJACENT TO AN ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE CORRIDOR IN A COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL AREA. AS THE DEVELOPER SAID TO ME AT A MEETING RECENTLY, UH, AT THE, UH, STEVENS PARK GOLF COURSE, TAKE A LOOK AT MY OTHER DEVELOPMENTS I ATTEMPTED TO DO. SO. HE'S BUILT TWO MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS WITHIN THIS AREA. ONE, HE CONVERTED TO A HOTEL. THE OTHER IS A HOTEL BY PROXY THROUGH THE HOTEL. AS OF THIS MORNING, THERE WERE 10 OF 28 UNITS AVAILABLE AS DAILY RENTALS THROUGH HIS HOTEL, RATHER THAN BEING AVAILABLE AS APARTMENTS IN A 28 UNIT BUILDING. WHAT IS HE GONNA DO ON THIS LOT? THANKS. MY NAME IS BOB IEL, 91 0 9, CLEAR LAKE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 2 5. UH, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS A COMMON ARGUMENT IN ZONING CASES. THE NOTION THAT PRIVATE DEED RESTRICTIONS CAN ACT AS A COMPROMISE, UH, FOR INAPPROPRIATE ZONING CHANGES. THIS PERSPECTIVE OVERLOOKS THE FUN FUNDAMENTAL ROLE OF ZONING ZONING AS A PUBLIC LEGISLATIVE ACTION DESIGNED TO PROTECT THE GENERAL WELFARE AND IS ENFORCED BY THE CITY UNDER STATE LAW. IN CONTRAST, PRIVATE DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE VOLUNTARY AGREEMENTS ENFORCED BY PRIVATE PARTIES. THEY ARE NOT PUB CITY POLICIES AND CANNOT BE ENFORCED BY THE CITY. UNLIKE ZONING, DEED RESTRICTIONS CAN BE AMENDED OR ELIMINATED BY FUTURE OWNERS OR COURT ACTIONS. THIS LEAVES THE CITY WITH APPROVED ZONING AND NO MEANS TO UPHOLD THE PRIVATE COMMITMENTS. FOR THE USE OF REASONS, DEED RESTRICTIONS SHOULD NOT REPLACE APPROPRIATE ZONING. MAINTAINING THE INTEGRITY OF ZONING PROCESS IS CRUCIAL FOR SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT AND PUBLIC TRUST. LOOKING AT THE DE DE RESTRICTIONS THAT WAS, UH, PRESENTED, UH, REVIEWED WITH MY COUNSEL, I'M JUST GONNA SUMMARIZE THESE POINTS FOR YOU. ENFORCEMENT LIMITATIONS, DESPITE GRANTING THE CITY ENTITLEMENT, RIGHTS, ENFORCEMENT RIGHTS, RE RELIANCE ON PUBLIC PARTIES LIMITS FOR EFFICACY COMPARED TO ZONING LAWS WHICH ARE ENFORCED AS PUBLIC PO POLICY AMENDMENT AND TERMINATION. THE PROCESS FOR AMENDING RESTRICTIONS INVOLVES PUBLIC HEARINGS, BUT THIS FLEXIBILITY CAN UNDERMINE LONG-TERM STABILITY. UNLIKE MORE STABLE AND PREDICTABLE ZONING LAWS, PUBLIC VERSUS PRIVATE [04:25:01] INTERESTS, ZONING LAWS SERVE BROADER PUBLIC INTEREST, WHILE DEED RESTRICTIONS PRIMARILY REFLECT THE ENTRANCE OF PROPERTY OWNERS POTENTIALLY CONFLICTING WITH COMMUNITY GOALS, SUSTAINABILITY AND TRUST DEED RESTRICTIONS ATTEMPT TO IMPOSE ZONING LIKE LIMITATIONS, BUT LACK THE STABILITY OF PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY OF A ZONING LAWS RISKING PUBLIC TRUST, LEGAL AND PRACTICAL LIMITATIONS. WHILE THE DOCUMENT INCLUDES LEGAL MECHANISMS, THESE DO NOT OFFER THE SAME LEVEL OF CERTAINTY AS ZONING LAWS WHICH ARE TRANSPARENT AND REPRESENT, UH, REPRESENTATIVE COMMUNITY INTERESTS IMPACT ON ZONING DECISIONS. RELYING ON DEED RESTRICTIONS TO MITIGATE INAPPROPRIATE ZONING DECISIONS CAN LEAD TO MISMATCHES BETWEEN LAND USE AND COMMUNITY CONTEXT ERODING PUBLIC TRUST AND LAND USE DECISIONS. FUTURE GENERATIONS ZONING LAWS ARE CRAFTED TO SERVE BOTH CURRENT AND FUTURE COMMUNITY NEEDS, WHILE DEED RESTRICTIONS DO NOT OFFER THE SAME ASSURANCE FOR GENERATIONS. SO IN SUMMARY, WHILE THIS Z 25 0 0 0 9 6 9 D RESTRICTIONS ATTEMPT TO MIMIC, UH, ZONING REGULATIONS, THEY FALL SHORT OF PROVIDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ENDURING FRAMEWORK THAT ZONING LAWS OFFER. MAINTAINING THE INTEGRITY OF THE ZONING PROCESS IS CRUCIAL, UH, TO ENSURE LAND USE DECISIONS ALIGN WITH COMMUNITY WELFARE AND PLANNING OBJECTIVE OBJECTIVES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. YESENIA SERRANO, 6 37 NORTH BOULEVARD TERRACE, UH, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 1. COMMUNITY INPUT IS NOT AN INCONVENIENCE. IT MATTERS AND IT SHOULD BE A REAL PART OF DECISIONS ABOUT ZONING AND LAND USE. IN THIS CASE, WHEN THE NEIGHBORS HAVE SPOKEN UP, OUR CONCERNS HAVE SOMETIMES BEEN BRUSHED OFF OR LABELED INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY BEING ADDRESSED. CARING ABOUT WHAT GETS BUILT NEXT TO YOUR HOME IS NOT A BAD THING. IT'S COMMON SENSE. IT'S ABOUT SAFETY, PROTECTING WHAT WE'VE INVESTED IN, OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE ENVIRONMENT AROUND US. THAT'S WHY THE REZONING PROCESS INCLUDES THINGS LIKE PUBLIC NOTICES, NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, HEARINGS, AND THE RIGHT TO PROTEST. THESE STEPS EXIST BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEARBY ARE THE ONES BEING AFFECTED THE MOST. IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICATION BOUNDARY WAS CHANGED IN A WAY THAT REMOVED ABOUT 20% OF NEARBY HOMEOWNERS FROM BEING NOTIFIED THAT MAY BE ALLOWED ON PAPER, BUT IT GOES AGAINST THE SPIRIT OF REAL COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, ESPECIALLY FOR A REZONING THAT IS NOT AUTOMATIC AND REQUIRES YOUR DISCRETION FORWARD. DALLAS 2.0 SAYS NEIGHBORS SHOULD HAVE A REAL VOICE IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS. WHEN PARTICIPATION IS REDUCED, THE PROCESS LOSES TRUST AND THE DECISIONS SUFFER. THANK YOU, ANGIE MOBLEY, 8 0 8 NORTH HAMPTON. I'M SPEAKING AS PRESIDENT OF COOMBS CREEK CONSERVANCY. THIS DEVELOPMENT IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO COOMBS CREEK. WE SHOULD REMEMBER WHAT A VITAL NECESSITY THIS CREEK IS LOCALLY. IT SUPPORTS FOR BOTH FLORA AND FAUNA, WHICH ENHANCE OUR LIFE. IT'S ALSO THE PIPELINE TO THE TRINITY RIVER, WHICH HELPS SUPPORT OUR DRINKING, DRINKING WATER. WE MUST TAKE CARE OF THIS RESOURCE. THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS ON THIS SITE ARE DOCUMENTED IN THE 1983 ENGINEERING STUDY ACQUIRED BY THE CITY FROM POWELL AND POWELL. THE STUDY CONCLUDED THAT THIS SECTION OF THE CREEK IS AMONG THE MOST ACCEPTABLE TO THE DAMAGING EFFECTS OF RUNOFF, FLOODING, AND EROSION DUE TO THE SOLE COMPOSITION CHANNELING AND THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT. THE REPORT GRADE, THE REPORT GRADES, THIS AR SECTION AS A D AND CONSIDERS THIS AREA HAVE AS TO BEEN BUILT TO CAPACITY IN 1983. IT EXPLICITLY RECOMMENDS CAUTION WITH ANY INCREASED LAND USE WITH THE GOAL OF ELIMINATING HAZARD TO LIFE AND PROPERTY. THE STUDY WENT AS FAR AS STATING THAT, THAT THE CITY CAN AND SHOULD EXERCISE ITS ZONING AND PLANNING AUTHORITY IN A MANNER THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT. IT ALSO STATES THE RESTRICTION OR PROHIBITION OF CERTAIN LAND USES MAY BE REQUIRED. THE CITY SAW THE NECESSITY IN ACQUIRING A STUDY OF THE FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT. NOW, THE CITY SHOULD HEED THE WARNINGS THAT IT CONTAINS. SINCE THIS REPORT, LAND USE HAS INCREASED ON THE CREEK. THE ADDITION OF TOWNHOME UPSTREAM OF THIS SITE, NO DOUBT, PUT MORE PRESSURE ON THE CREEK. THE CITY HAS SPENT MILLIONS IN RETE STREAM BANK STABILIZATION WITHIN THIS AREA. AS CAUTIONED OH AS CAUTION IN THE REPORT, INCREASED LAND USE WILL INCREASE THE RUNOFF AND THE EROSION, AND WITH THE INCREASING WEATHER EVENTS, FLOODING AS WELL, WE MUST TAKE CARE [04:30:01] OF TO PRESERVE THE CITY'S INVESTMENT IN DOWNSTREAM ROADWAY RAYS, BRIDGES, AND THE GOLF COURSE, WHICH ARE ALL AT DANGER OF THE ILL EFFECTS OF FLOODING AND EROSION. MAXIMIZING LAND USE WITH MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT IS IN DIRECT CONFLICT OF THIS STUDY. ANOTHER THING I WANNA POINT OUT IS IF WE LOOK AT THE PICTURES THAT THE DEVELOPER SHOWED WHEN HE SHOWED HIS DEVELOPMENT, HE SHOWED ACROSS NORTH B BOULEVARD TERRACE MORE DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT NOW IT'S OUR SEVEN FIVE AND THERE ARE HOUSES, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THERE. HIS PICTURES SHOW DEVELOPMENTS WITH MUCH MORE DENSITY. HE REFUSES TO INCLUDE THAT AS A FULL PD, BUT HE'S LETTING US KNOW THAT EVEN THOUGH HE TELLS US HE'S JUST PUTTING TWO SMALL APARTMENT BUILDINGS, HE HAS PLANS FOR MORE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS GOING TO PUT MORE STRESS ON THE COMMUNITY, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, ON THE CREEK AND THE WATERSHED. THANK YOU. JOSEPH BECKHAM, 8 0 8 NORTH HAMPTON ROAD, UH, PRESIDENT OF THE WEST KESSLER NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION COMMISSIONERS. IN THIS POLARIZED NIMBY YIMBY MOMENT, IT SHOULD BE SAID, IT IS NOT A CHARACTER FLAW TO CARE WHAT GETS BUILT NEXT TO YOU, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE REQUEST APPEARS TO CONFLICT WITH CAREFULLY DEBATED COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN AND WITH RECOMMENDATIONS BY THE CITY'S OWN PROFESSIONAL STAFF. WE STILL DO NOT KNOW LEGALLY OR WITH PERSONAL CONFIDENCE WHAT WOULD BE BUILT IF MF TWO DISTRICT IS APPROVED. WE HAVE SEEN NO FEWER THAN 10 DIFFERENT CONCEPTS WITHIN THE LAST YEAR. THE APPLICANT PREVIOUSLY TESTIFIED HERE THAT MF TWO WOULD NOT BE PART OF FUTURE AMENDMENTS YET. HERE WE ARE AGAIN. DALLAS DOES HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS, BUT IT'S PRIMARILY A HOME OWNERSHIP CRISIS. THERE'S NO SHORTAGE OF APARTMENTS AND CURRENT VACANCY RATES. SUPPORT THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS CREATED BUYRIGHT PATHS TO ADD HOUSING WITHOUT DISRUPTING COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL AREAS. SB EIGHT 40 FOR MULTIFAMILY, SB 15 FOR SINGLE FAMILY LOTS. THIS REQUEST HAS SEEN FOUR HOLDOVERS NOTICE PROBLEMS AND CONCERNS THAT THE BOUNDARY HAS CHANGED IN A WAY THAT REMOVED SOME HOMES FROM THE NOTIFICATION ZONE, A MOVE THAT RESTRICTS COMMUNITY INPUT RATHER THAN EXPANDS IT. IF MF TWO IS APPROVED, SB EIGHT 40 LIMITS THE ABILITY TO IMPOSE RESTRICTIONS. THERE WILL BE NO ENFORCEABLE SITE PLAN BEYOND THE STATE MAXIMUMS. THAT UNCERTAINTY IS EXACTLY WHY THE CREEK ISSUES ARE SO IMPORTANT HERE. AS LETTERS FROM DAVID MARQUIS AND GARRETT BOONE THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO THIS COMMISSION AND THE CITY'S OWN FLOODPLAIN STUDIES CONFIRM THIS SEGMENT OF COOMBS CREEK IS EXTRAORDINARILY CHALLENGED. INCREASING LAND USE INTENSITY IN THIS LOCATION COULD ELEVATE FLOOD FLOOD RISKS TO LIFE AND PROPERTY. IN 2024, THE BOND IDENTIFIED 2.5 BILLION IN FLOOD STORM WATER NEEDS. YET THE ENTIRE BOND CAPACITY FOR THE CITY WAS ONLY 1 BILLION. IF THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO ADDRESS EXISTING PROBLEMS, WE SHOULD NOT BE APPROVING ZONING THAT CAN MAKE THOSE PROBLEMS WORSE. THIS COMMISSION HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO HELP MAKE THE CITY MORE RESILIENT, NOT MORE VULNERABLE. ATTEMPTING TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS ONLY UNDERSCORES THAT THE ZONING CATEGORY ITSELF MIGHT BE INAPPROPRIATE. SOUND ZONING, NOT IMPERMANENT PROMISES SHOULD PROTECT NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE FLOODPLAIN. THERE ARE OVER 200 OPPOSITION STATEMENTS ON THIS CASE. THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS ON ALL FOUR SIDES OPPOSE THIS REQUEST. NO STAFF SUPPORT SB EIGHT 40 CONSEQUENCES, A TROUBLED FLOODPLAIN CORRIDOR AND BETTER ALTERNATIVES AVAILABLE. WE RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO DENY THIS REQUEST. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? OKAY, WE WILL GO BACK TO OUR APPLICANT FOR A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL. OH, I'M SORRY. THERE ARE TWO SPEAKERS ONLINE. THANK YOU. MS. LOPEZ. IS EUGENE JOHNSON OR STEVE HILBURN ONLINE? UH, EUGENE JOHNSON. RIGHT. SORRY. TRYING TO START VIDEO AND UNMUTE. SURE. IF IT WORKED. I CAN'T SEE MYSELF. UH, ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR ME? WE CAN HEAR YOU, BUT WE CANNOT VIDEO NOT WORKING. SEE YOU. AND STATE LAW REQUIRES A VIDEO FEED ON I'M, I'M FLIPPING TO THE OTHER CAMERA BECAUSE I, THERE YOU GO. TEST IT. SORRY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. . VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. UH, EUGENE JOHNSON AT 7 2 6, UH, NORTH HAMPTON IN DALLAS. UM, I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT BRIEF AND I DIDN'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, UH, KUDOS TO EVERYBODY ELSE WHO HAD MORE STRUCTURED WAYS OF SPEAKING. MINE'S NOT GONNA BE THAT, UH, I'LL SORT OF ECHO [04:35:01] SOME OF THE CONCERNS THOUGH. UM, YOU KNOW, MY BIGGEST ISSUE, AND, AND I DO LOOK GENUINELY, I APPRECIATE DISCUSSIONS I'VE HAD WITH, WITH MR. CHERLOCK DIRECTLY AND WITH THIS MS. BUCKLEY, UH, AS RECENTLY AS WITHIN THIS LAST WEEK ABOUT THIS. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK AS I SIT HERE NOW, YOU KNOW, MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH IT IS STILL, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY NOT KNOWING WHAT MR. CHERLOCK, YOU KNOW, PLANS TO, UH, BUILD ON THE SITE. YOU KNOW, I, I SEE WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, IN THE PRESENTATION TODAY, UH, YOU KNOW, I SEE IT SPLIT BETWEEN TWO BUILDINGS. I THINK, YOU KNOW, FROM THE STAFF PRESENTATION EARLIER, THE, THE WORKING NUMBER IS 48 UNITS. I PULLED UP THE APPLICATION ITSELF A WHILE AGO. UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY FILED FOR THIS GO-ROUND, IT HAD 80 UNITS ON IT. UH, WHAT SHOWS ONLINE RIGHT NOW SHOWS 34 UNITS. UH, AND AS WAS REFLECTED IN THE PRESENTATION BY MS. BUCKLEY AND MR. CHERNOCK EARLIER, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE 24 NUMBER WAS, WAS AROUND, YOU KNOW, 80 TO A HUNDRED UNITS. I THINK AT THAT POINT. UM, YOU KNOW, MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH THE MF TWO IS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THAT LACK OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT ULTIMATELY WOULD GET BUILT THERE. YOU KNOW, I THINK SOME CALCULATIONS SHOW, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY 120 TO 130 UNITS COULD BE BUILT THERE, UH, WITHOUT A WHOLE HOST OF PROBLEMS, UH, RELATED TO, YOU KNOW, IT BEING ON A DEAD END STREET, WHICH WAS DISCUSSED, UH, EARLIER, YOU KNOW, NOT KNOWING WHAT ULTIMATELY ALLEVIATES THAT VIA TO TURNAROUND A HAMMER HEAD. I KNOW THE, YOU KNOW, SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS, UH, ON, ON THE PRESENTATION THAT THEY HAD. YOU KNOW, IF YOU, YOU NOTICE SHOWS A CONNECTION THAT I THINK, UH, WOULD ULTIMATELY LEAVE OVER TO LEAD OVER TO HAMPTON. THAT'S CUT OFF ON, ON THE IMAGE THAT WAS SHOWN TO YOU EARLIER, THOUGH. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, THE ONE THING I WILL KIND OF CLOSE WITH IS, YOU KNOW, PDS WERE DISCUSSED, AND THE ONE THING THAT STUCK WITH ME EARLIER FROM THE STAFF PRESENTATION WAS THE, THE MAIN, AND I'M PARAPHRASING, I THINK, BUT THE MAIN ADVANTAGE, UH, TO THAT WOULD BE A MORE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK MS. BUCKLEY SORT OF TOUCHED ON ON THAT AND TRYING TO STRIKE THE BALANCE WITH THE DEED RESTRICTIONS. AND I, AND I CERTAINLY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, THAT SOME OF THOSE ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS, UH, SOME OF THE CONCERNS. BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, YOU KNOW, THE, JUST THE LEVEL OF UNCERTAINTY, UH, LEADS ME TO THE PLACE WHERE I CAN'T REALLY SUPPORT, UH, ED AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND WAS MR. HILBURN ONLINE? NOT ONLINE. OKAY. NOW WE GO BACK TO OUR APPLICANT FOR A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL. OKAY. I BELIEVE I DID HEAR SOMETHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, RENTALS AND, AND, AND SHORT TERM RENTALS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE FROM HIS OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WON'T HAPPEN HERE WITH THE ST THESE ARE PUBLIC ZONING DEED RESTRICTIONS. THEY CARRY AS MUCH WEIGHT AS ANY OTHER ZONING. SO I DON'T SEE THESE AS BEING A PRIVATE DEED RESTRICTION SITUATION. YOU CAN FILE A PD AND COME IN AND AMEND IT IN A COUPLE OF YEARS OR SIX MONTHS OR WHATEVER ELSE, JUST LIKE YOU CAN ANYTHING ELSE. SO WE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIND THAT MIDDLE GROUND, YOU KNOW, UH, WE THINK THE DEED RESTRICTIONS COVER QUITE A BIT OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HEARD AGAIN TODAY. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ADDED LAND TO THIS APPLICATION, BUT THE LAND WAS TO THE WEST. IT DID NOT CHANGE THE BOUNDARY ON THE EAST SIDE. IT JUST EXTENDED TO THE WEST. WE DID NOT INCLUDE THE HAMPTON PIECE BECAUSE HE WANTED TO LEAVE THE HAMPTON PIECE ALONE. HE'S LIKE, THAT'S GONNA BE SINGLE FAMILY, NO MATTER WHICH WAY. HE SAID, I'VE ALWAYS WANTED A MIX OF USES THERE ANYWAY. AND I SAID, WELL, IT'D BE PROBABLY BETTER BECAUSE ONE OF THE HARD NOS WE GOT IN ONE OF THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS WAS WE DON'T WANNA SEE TOWN HOMES ON HAMPTON, SO THEY WANT TO KEEP THAT SINGLE FAMILY. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. SO THANK YOU, MS. BUCKLEY. OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC INPUT. COMMISSIONER SIMS, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO. MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF CASE NUMBER Z 2 5 0 0 0 0 6 9. I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE AN MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT SUBJECT TO THE REVISED DEED RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT. GREAT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SIMS FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER, UH, HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER SIMS? I DO, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. AND, UH, I WANNA THANK EVERYONE WHO SHOWED UP TODAY AND FOR ALL THE WORK YOU PUT INTO THIS. UM, AS WE HEARD TODAY, THIS CASE HAS BEEN LONG BEFORE THIS BODY, AND I CANNOT SPEAK TO THAT LONG HISTORY, BUT I CAN SAY THAT SINCE I HAVE BEEN IN THIS SEAT, I HAVE BEEN TO MULTIPLE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, UH, MANY OF WHICH, OR ALL OF WHICH WERE PRODUCTIVE. [04:40:01] I HEARD CONCERNS ABOUT HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT, NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE SAME ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS WE HEARD RAISE TODAY. UM, I'VE TOURED THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBORHOODS. NEIGHBORS HAVE GIVEN ME TOURS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I HAVE SEEN COOMBS CREEK. I HAVE SEEN PARTS OF COOMBS CREEK THAT ARE COMING CLOSE TO WASHING AN APARTMENT BUILDING INTO IT. I'VE SEEN PARTS OF IT WHERE, UH, WATER COMING UNDER A BRIDGE IS CAUSING MASSIVE, MASSIVE EROSION. THIS IS CLEARLY AN ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREA, AND I'VE READ AND RECEIVED ALL THE EMAILS THAT WE'VE SEEN. SO I WANNA ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE HEARD BRIEFLY. UM, WE HEARD THAT THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS WERE BRUSHED OFF, AND THAT HASN'T BEEN MY EXPERIENCE, MR. CHAIR, UM, THAT I FELT LIKE THE NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN HEARD. I WAS AT A MEETING WHERE IT WENT FOR OVER TWO HOURS. THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF DISCUSSION, AND AS MS. BUCKLEY REFERENCED A MOMENT AGO, UH, EACH OF THE NEIGHBORS WAS ASKED TO SAY WHAT WAS THEIR HARD NO ON A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. AND I SAW THE DEVELOP THE APPLICANT'S ARCHITECT TAKE NOTES, AND I SAW THE APPLICANT LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY, AND HE WOULD SAY THAT HE WAS THERE AND WOULD LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY. THAT'S WHAT BROUGHT BACK THIS PLAN. UH, WE HEARD CONCERNS ABOUT THE STAFF NOT SUPPORTING THE REQUEST. I THINK WE HEARD SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY THIS MORNING. UH, AND IF WE THINK ABOUT THE TH THREE ZONING, IT PROVIDES GREATER DENSITY ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY THAN WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED WITH THE DEED RESTRICTIONS. AND I, WHAT I WOULD SAY FURTHER TO THAT IS IF WE DO NOTHING, THIS IS CURRENTLY ZONED R SEVEN FIVE, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES CAN BE BUILT THAT BACK UP TO THE CREEK. IF WE ZONE IT, TH THREE LARGE SKINNY HOUSES WITH CONCRETE FRONT YARDS CAN BE BUILT AND CAUSE A GREAT DEAL OF IMPERVIOUS SERVICE NEXT TO THE CREEK. IF WE AGREE TO THIS PROPOSED ZONING, WE HAVE A LIMITATION OF 30% COVERAGE. WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS OF THE WALKWAYS, WE HAVE LIMITED, WE HAVE PARKING. THAT LIMITS WHAT ADDITIONALLY CAN BE BUILT. I THINK IT ACTUALLY GETS THE RESULT THAT MOST OF THE NEIGHBORS ARE ASKING FOR, ALBEIT WITH UNCERTAINTY, AND THAT'S UNDERSTOOD. AND THEN FINALLY, MR. CHAIR, I WANT TO THANK COMMISSIONER COX, UH, THAT I HAD NOT THOUGHT ABOUT EMERGENCY VEHICLE TURNAROUNDS UNTIL YOU BROUGHT THAT, UNTIL HE BROUGHT THAT UP TODAY. AND IF, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO'VE DRIVEN NORTH BOULEVARD TERRACE, YOU CAN'T TURN A FIRETRUCK AROUND ON NORTH BOULEVARD TERRACE RIGHT NOW. SO IF WE APPROVE THIS DEVELOPMENT, PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT WILL BE ADDRESSING EXACTLY THE ISSUE, THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE THAT COMMISSIONER COX ADDRESSED. AND SO, FOR ALL OF THOSE REASONS, MR. CHAIR, I RESPECTFULLY ASK MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO SUPPORT THE MOTION. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SIMS, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, OR I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. I, UM, AM GONNA JOIN COMMISSIONER SIMSON SUPPORTING MOTION. UM, I THINK IT'S, I THINK WHAT THE COMMUNITY REALLY WANTS IS THAT THIS LAND NOT BE DEVELOPED, AND I THINK THAT'S HIGHLY UNREALISTIC. UM, I THINK THIS IS THE BEST, UH, DESIGN I'VE SEEN. UM, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT THIS LAND, UM, IS PROBABLY GOVERNED BY SV 15, AND AS SUCH WOULD ALLOW FOR QUITE DENSE DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER IT BE SINGLE FAMILY OR TOWN HOME. AND I THINK THAT THAT POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT BY WRIGHT WOULD RUN IN THE FLY IN THE FACE OF WHAT THEY, THE COMMUNITY SAYS THEY WANT IN TERMS OF ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, SENSITIVITY TO THE SITE. I THINK THAT WHAT MR. SCHOCK HAS PROPOSED IS PROBABLY THE MOST ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE DESIGN THAT I'VE SEEN, SHORT OF NOT DEVELOPING THE LAND, WHICH IS JUST SIMPLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. UM, AND I ALSO DON'T FIND COMMUNI ARGUMENTS ABOUT HOME OWNERSHIP VERSUS RENTAL PROPERTIES BEING PERSUASIVE. IF A DEVELOPER WANTS TO BUILD RENTAL PROPERTY, WE HAVE A HOUSING SHORTAGE IN THIS CITY. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT VACANCY RATES AND RENTAL RATES. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, THIS REGION IS GROWING. WE HAVE PEOPLE MOVING INTO THE CITY, AND WE HAVE A HOUSING SHORTAGE. AND WHEN NEW UNITS ARE BUILT, THAT HAS A TRICKLE DOWN EFFECT IN TERMS OF AFFORDABILITY OF OLDER UNITS AND ALL OF THIS STUFF. I'M NOT GONNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME GOING INTO. SO THE PREFERENCE FOR HOME OWNERSHIP, WHILE YOU MAY PREFER TO HOME OWN A HOME, THERE'S A GROWING DEMOGRAPHIC OF PEOPLE WHO PREFER TO RENT. AND THERE IS CERTAINLY, UH, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH PEOPLE WHO DO RENT. MOST OF US, IF NOT ALL OF US, HAVE BEEN RENTERS. AND SO WHEN PEOPLE COME DOWN HERE AND SAY UNKIND THINGS ABOUT RENTERS, THAT ARGUMENT REALLY DOESN'T HOLD A LOT OF WATER AROUND THE HORSESHOE. UM, AND THEN FINALLY, A LOT OF THE ARGUMENTS, OR A LOT OF THE COMMUNICATIONS [04:45:01] WE'VE SEE WE RECEIVED AND WE RECEIVED A GOOD NUMBER OF EMAILS, WERE OPPOSITION TO SCHOCK, UH, APPLICATION. AND THAT'S UNUSUAL. THE VAST MAJORITY, IN FACT, I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN THAT THE COMMUNICATIONS WE GET ARE ALWAYS IN REFERENCE TO AN ADDRESS OR A CASE NUMBER. IT'S CLEAR THAT THIS HAS BECOME VERY PERSONAL AND A LOT OF THE COMMUNICATIONS WE RECEIVED WERE PERSONAL. UM, THEY WERE ATTACKS ON THE APPLICANT ON THE NUMBER OF TIMES HE'S APPLIED ON VARIOUS ASPECTS OF HIM OR HIS APPLICATION. AND THAT IS SIMPLY IRRELEVANT TO THE APPLICATION IN FRONT OF US. WHAT IS RELEVANT TO THIS BODY IS THE APPLICATION THAT IS BEFORE US TODAY, NOT APPLICATIONS IN THE PAST, NOT THE PARTICULAR PERSON, UNLESS THERE'S SOME OVERREACHING REASON THAT THE APPLICANT'S PERSONALITY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. BUT TRYING TO COME UP WITH AN APPLICATION OR A PROJECT THAT THE COMMUNITY WILL SUPPORT AND MISSING AND COMING BACK TO THE TABLE IN AND OF ITSELF ISN'T GROUNDS TO DENY AN APPLICANT. AND THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS A LOT OF THE CORRESPONDENCE WE RECEIVED ARE FROM PEOPLE THAT AREN'T VERY CLOSE TO THIS PROJECT. I MEAN, WE GOT STUFF FROM ALL OVER OAK CLIFF, UH, LOTS OF ADDRESSES THAT QUITE FRANKLY AREN'T EVEN CLOSE TO WALKING DISTANCE. AND SO, WHILE I KNOW THAT SOME OF YOU ARE VERY CLOSE TO THIS PROJECT, AND, AND I VALUE YOUR INPUT, UH, THE WHOLE OF THE, OF THE CASE LENDS IN FAVOR OF, OF APPROVING THIS PROJECT. AND FOR THOSE REASONS AND THE MANY REASONS THAT COMMISSIONER SIMS HAS ALREADY MENTIONED, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH ARE THE DEED RESTRICTIONS BEING OFFERED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS APPLICATION. I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. I DON'T THINK I CAN SAY IT MUCH BETTER THAN COMMISSIONER SIMS OR COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, BUT I'LL, I'LL JUST ADD A A COUPLE OF POINTS. UH, I UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBORHOOD CARES ABOUT WHAT'S BEING BUILT, AND I COMMEND THEM FOR THAT. I THINK IF THEY LOOK CAREFULLY AT THIS PROPOSAL THAT, UM, THIS WILL BE SOMETHING THEY'LL BE PLEASED WITH THAT IS, THAT GETS BUILT. UH, I THINK THERE'S FAR MORE, UH, CERTAINTY HERE THAN IN FIVE, UH, OVERSIZED CONTEMPORARY SPEC HOUSES THAT ARE, THAT DO NOT RESPECT THE 20 FOOT SETBACK OFF THE FEMA LINE. UH, I I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A LOSS FOR YOU ALL RELATIVE TO THIS, RELATIVE TO THIS CASE. I DO THINK IT'S A MISSTATEMENT TO SAY THAT STAFF DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS CASE. STAFF SUPPORTS DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SITE. STAFF HAD A POINT OF VIEW ABOUT THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION. I SUPPORT, UH, COMMISSIONER SIMS AND THE APPLICANT'S, UH, ZONING APPLICATION. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, AND I SAY THIS FROM TIME TO TIME HERE, BUT I'M GONNA SAY IT HERE. THIS IS A LAND USE BODY. THIS IS NOT AN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW BOARD. THIS IS NOT A, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVANCY, UH, COMMISSION. THIS IS A LAND USE. UM, THIS IS A LAND USE BODY, AND I URGE US TO STICK TO QUESTIONS OF LAND USE IF WE START OPINING ON THE, UH, THE CHARACTER AND QUALITIES OF A PARTICULAR WATERSHED OR A PARTICULAR CREEK, AS IMPORTANT AS THOSE MAY BE. OUR DECISION WOULD SIMPLY BE EMOTIONAL AND REACTIONARY AND NOT BASED ON ANY OBJECTIVE CRITERIA. WE ARE NOT PRESENTED ANY OBJECTIVE CRITERIA, AND OUR STAFF REPORTS ON ITEMS SUCH AS THAT. AND TO MAKE DECISIONS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE EMOTIONAL AND REACTIONARY, REALLY, UM, SAY THAT WE DON'T TRUST THE DOWNSTREAM PERMITTING AND REVIEW PROCESSES IN THIS CITY. WE, IF WE DENY A CASE LIKE THIS ON THE BASIS OF COOMBS CREEK, WE'RE SAYING WE DON'T TRUST PERMITTING. WE DON'T TRUST ENGINEERING. WE DON'T TRUST ANY OF THOSE FOLKS OUTSIDE OF THIS BOARD. AND I, I PERSONALLY DO TRUST THEM. THAT'S WHAT WE, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THESE PROCESSES. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THESE CHECKS AND BALANCES. AND SO TO ASK US TO START TO, UM, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER ALL THESE THINGS OUTSIDE OF THE QUESTION OF LAND USE REALLY CLOUDS THE ISSUE. AND I THINK, UM, CAN LEAD TO, UH, TO POOR DECISIONS. UM, I THINK THIS CASE, UH, WILL YIELD SOMETHING THAT, UM, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS PROUD OF AND, UM, THAT, UH, WILL INDEED RESPECT COOMBS CREEK. SO I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHEELER. AND THEN I THINK COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN AFTER HER, UM, I, I WILL BE SUPPORTING A MO, UH, MOTION. AND, UM, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT I HEARD WAS THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO BE BUILT HERE, UH, THAT WE'VE SAW SO MANY RENDERINGS, BUT I, I WOULD SAY IS THAT THAT WOULD BE THE EVEN MORE REASON TO SUPPORT THIS CASE BECAUSE EVERY TIME THAT [04:50:01] APPLICANT HAS BEEN ASKED TO, UM, IMPROVE WHAT THEY HAVE SUBMITTED, THEY HAVE DONE. SO HOURS AND HOURS OF RENDERINGS AND DRAFTING NEW PLANS IS COSTLY, BUT THEY CONTINUE TO DO SO TRYING, BUT THE NEEDLE KEEPS GETTING PUNCHED, UM, PUSHED. BUT WHAT THEY HAVE COME UP WITH ON THIS IS DEFINITELY ENVIRONMENTAL FRIENDLY AND WHAT WE, AND MORE DENSITY, UM, THE DI THE FORMAL DENSITY THAT HE'S CREATING IS BETTER SUITED THAN WHAT COULD BE THERE. BUT HE HAS OVERLY, EVERY TIME HE COMES BACK TO US, THERE IS A NEW RENDERING, BUT THAT NEW RENDERING IS BASED OFF OF THE REQUEST OF WHAT IS HAPPENING AT THE MEETINGS. AND SO WE, WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO PUSH THE ENVELOPE, UM, AND THEN SAY, WELL, THAT'S STILL NOT GOOD ENOUGH. SO I DO 100 SUPPORT THIS IN PASSING INTO COUNCIL COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, UH, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. IS IT STILL TIME? THAT COULD BE THAT, YEAH. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FOR GREAT NOW TOO. UH, BECAUSE THE SPEAKERS IN, IN OPPOSITION, UM, HAD A COMMON CONCERN OF, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE MF TWO, WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE AFTER IT'S GRANTED IT'S ENTITLEMENT WITH THE RESTRICTION OF 30% LOT COVERAGE, THAT'S THE MAXIMUM. CORRECT. THAT WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE ALLOWED. YES. AND SO WITH THAT IN MIND, UH, COULD THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, CREATE ADDITIONAL DENSITY OR ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS WITH THAT LIMITATION? I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD NECESSARILY, I DUNNO THAT IT GRANTS ABILITY TO BUILD MORE BUILDINGS, UH, MORE DENSITY, LESS DENSITY, UH, FEWER BUILDINGS. YOU HAVE TO KIND OF LOOK AT IT AS WELL. YOUR BASE MF TWO DISTRICT IS 60% LAW COVERAGE, RIGHT? LET'S SAY UNDER A GIVEN LOT OF A GIVEN SIZE THAT GETS YOU A HUNDRED UNITS. AND I'M JUST USING THAT AS A SIMPLE NUMBER. 30% LAW COVERAGE IS HALF OF THAT. SO YOU'D ONLY BE ABLE TO DO 50 UNITS ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL. UM, SO THE 30% LAW COVERAGE, IT EFFECTIVELY CUTS WHATEVER YOUR POTENTIAL MAX UNDER MFT WOULD BE, WHICH THERE'S ALWAYS A PRETTY FUZZY NUMBER TO, TO ARRIVE AT, ESPECIALLY WITHOUT ANYTHING LIKE LOT SIZE, UH, MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS. NOW, UM, IT'S A, IT'S A HARD NUMBER TO GET TO, BUT I COULD SAY WITH CONFIDENCE THAT 30% LAW COVERAGE CUTS THAT ENTITLEMENT IN HALF. OKAY. BECAUSE THE RENDERING OR THE CONCEPT THAT WAS SHOWN TO US AS A BODY HAD TWO BUILDINGS WITH, YOU KNOW, A BARRIER. MM-HMM . UH, WITH TREES ON THE, UH, STREET TO, I GUESS IT'S TO THE EAST OR MAYBE TO THE SOUTH. IS THERE ANY LEEWAY IF THEY WERE, IF THE APPLICANT WANTED TO BUILD THE SAME SIZE BUILDINGS, SO THERE'S TWO AND WANTED TO MAKE IT FOUR, RIGHT? COULD THEY DO THAT AS LONG AS IT WAS 30% LOCK COVERAGE? IF IT COMPLIED WITH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF SETBACKS, UH, BOTH WITHIN THE ZONING AND WITH THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS? UH, IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T LIMIT THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS. IT'S JUST THE LOT COVERAGE, LOT COVERAGE. UM, THE TOTAL OF COVERAGE ON, ON A LOT IN THAT COVERED BY THAT DE RESTRICTION. SO YOU COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, IF 30% LOT COVERAGE NETS YOU 10,000 SQUARE FEET, OR LEMME USE THE NUMBER THAT'S EIGHT, UH, 8,000 SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA, YOU COULD DO AN 8,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, OR YOU COULD DO FOUR, 2000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS. OKAY. I CLEARED IT UP IN MY HEAD AND I'M THINKING 30% OF THE 3.4 ACRES MM-HMM . BUT WE'RE REALLY JUST TALKING ABOUT LOT COVERAGE. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. BATES. YOU'RE WELCOME. COMMISSIONER SERATO. YEAH. AGAIN, UM, I, I APPRECIATE THE BOARD ALWAYS BEING, UH, PATIENT WITH ME AND KIND OF SOME OF MY LEARNING CURVE HERE. UM, SO, UH, SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS THAT MY COLLEAGUE BROUGHT UP HERE, I, WHILE IT'S NOT DECIDED BY, UM, THIS BODY, UM, I IMAGINE THAT THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH OTHER PROCESSES WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE MEETING ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS. IS IS, IS THAT CORRECT? AND, AND FOR THE SAKE OF THE, THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE HERE AS WELL, I KNOW THAT WHEN THEY GET TO PERMITTING AND WHATNOT, THERE'S GONNA BE, YOU HAVE YOUR GENERAL ENVIRONMENTAL AND ENGINEERING REVIEW THAT OCCURS WITH ANY PROJECT. UH, THE PROXIMITY TO THE FLOODPLAIN AND REALLY JUST THE FLOODPLAIN GOING INTO, YOU KNOW, PARTS OF THESE LOTS HERE, UH, THAT TRIGGERS THE SORT OF FLOODPLAIN SCRUTINY WHERE ENGINEERING IS GONNA REVIEW, UH, THEIR RE THEY REVIEW RUNOFF, THEY REVIEW PROXIMITY TO THE FLOODPLAIN. THEY DON'T WANT YOU BUILD IN THE FLOODPLAIN UNLESS YOU HAVE A FLOODPLAIN WAIVER, WHICH IS A REALLY PRETTY ARDUOUS PROCESS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. UM, THERE'S NOT A REALLY SIMPLE WAY TO ADJUST THAT FLOODPLAIN EITHER. UH, I WAS TALKING TO OUR, UH, ENGINEERING, UH, LIAISON, I [04:55:01] GUESS YOU COULD SAY, MR. NAVARRE. UH, THE, THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THAT FLOODPLAIN LINE IS PRETTY, IS PRETTY HARD AND PRETTY EXPENSIVE. IT WOULD BE, UH, HIS OPINION WAS THAT IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING WORTHWHILE FOR A APPROACH TO THIS SIZE. UM, SO YOU DO HAVE PROTECTIONS IN THERE, OR AT LEAST THERE'S REVIEWS THAT ARE IN THERE THAT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE EXISTENCE OF THE FLOODPLAIN AND HOW IT GOES INTO THE LOT. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, I JUST WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE ALL THOSE, UM, WHO ARE HERE TODAY WHO HAVE CONTINUED TO BE PART OF THIS PROCESS. UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS MAY NOT BE THE OUTCOME THAT YOU ARE HOPING FOR. UM, I THINK MS. BUCKLEY ADDRESSED, ONE OF THE PRIMARY COMMENTS I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WAS CLEAR IS THAT THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AS PUBLIC DEED RESTRICTIONS FUNCTIONALLY OPERATE LIKE A PD. THEY, UM, THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT CAN BE WITHIN A PD, BUT IF THERE ARE REVISIONS TO THIS, THERE WILL BE PUBLIC NOTICE. THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS PRECISELY LIKE THIS. THE COMMUNITY WILL STILL BE PART OF ANY ONGOING DIALOGUE THAT COMES OUT OF THIS. AND I'M, UM, ANTICIPATING BASED ON THE LEVEL OF INTEREST IN THIS PROJECT THAT YOU ALL ARE STILL GONNA BE INVOLVED IN THIS, AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO SO. UM, SO THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HANSON. I THINK WE'VE COVERED EVERYONE ON MY RIGHT. LET'S GO TO MY LEFT. COMMISSIONER KAUFMAN. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AND I TOO WANNA THANK ALL THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE I KNOW, UH, ALTHOUGH I'VE NOT BEEN INVOLVED UNTIL RECENTLY, UH, I'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT IT. I'VE READ A LOT ABOUT IT AND I'VE TOURED THE SITE AND SO FORTH. BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THIS APPLICATION IS, IN MY OPINION AND WHAT IT ISN'T. THIS IS NOT A TECHNICAL ZONING CLEANUP OR A MINOR ADJUSTMENT. THIS IS THE FOURTH TIME THIS APPLICANT HAS COME BACK TO THE CITY SEEKING MULTIFAMILY ZONING ON THE SAME PARCELS AFTER PREVIOUS DENIAL. THAT DENIAL WAS BASED ON SCALE AND INCOMPATIBILITY. AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING TODAY THAT SHOWS ME THAT IT'S MUCH DIFFERENT. IT'S REALLY PURELY A DISCRETIONARY REQUEST. AND BECAUSE IT'S A GENERAL ZONING CASE, THERE'S NO SITE PLAN REQUIRED. AND THAT BOTHERS ME AND IT REALLY MATTERS. ANY DRAWINGS WE THAT WE'VE SEEN HAVE BEEN CONCEPTUAL ONLY, THEY'RE NOT BINDING AND THEY'RE NOT ENFORCEABLE. IF WE APPROVE THIS ZONING, WE'RE NOT APPROVING A SPECIFIC PROJECT. WE'RE GRANTING THE MAXIMUM DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS ALLOWED BY LAW. AND THOSE RIGHTS ARE FAR MORE EXPANSIVE TODAY THAN THEY USED TO BE. WITH THE PASSAGE OF SB EIGHT 40. MANY OF THE TOOLS THE CITY ONCE RELIED ON HEIGHT LIMIT, SETBACKS AND SO FORTH, ARE SIGNIFICANTLY WEAKENED. SO APPROVING THIS ZONING WOULD ESSENTIALLY HAND OVER A VERY BROAD ENTITLEMENT WITH VERY FEW REMAINING GUARDRAILS AND GUARDRAILS TO ME AND TO NEIGHBORHOODS AND, AND, UH, COMMUNITIES IS VERY IMPORTANT. AND I THINK THERE'S ALSO A CLEAR CONFLICT WITH THE FORWARD DALLAS 2.0. MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT IS NOT SUPPORTED IN COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPES UNLESS THERE'S A COMPELLING PUBLIC BENEFIT. I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT COMPELLING PUBLIC BENEFIT YET. AND WHILE FORWARD DALLAS EMPHASIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF A STRONG COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, UH, I I STILL HAVE MANY CONCERNS. SO WHEN, WHEN I PUT IT ALL TOGETHER BEING A NEWBIE AROUND HERE, UH, I STILL SEE THE CONFLICT WITH FORWARD DALLAS AND AVAILABLE BY ALTERNATIVES, ENVIRONMENTAL RISK, PARTIAL SITE REZONING, AND A LONG HISTORY OF PRIOR DENIALS. I DON'T BELIEVE THIS APPLICATION MEETS THE STANDARD FOR DISCRETIONARY APPROVAL, AND I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER KAUFMAN. COMMISSIONER COX. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION EITHER. UH, UNFORTUNATELY, COMMISSIONER KAUFMAN, UH, STOLE MY THUNDER THERE AS FAR AS THE COMMENTS THAT SHE WAS MAKING. I THINK THIS IS A TOTAL DISREGARD FOR FORWARD DALLAS AND THE INTENT THERE, UH, I THINK YOU GUYS WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. THIS IS NOT DONE AT THIS POINT, AS YOU WELL KNOW. THIS WILL GO TO COUNCIL AND HOPEFULLY COUNCIL WILL, UH, ULTIMATELY, UH, DO THE RIGHT THING. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER KOTZ, WE MIGHT AS WELL GO DOWN THE LINE. I'LL, I'LL BE BRIEF. I THINK EVERYTHING THAT I WAS GONNA SAY HAS BEEN SAID. UM, I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT AND COMMISSIONER SIMS FOR THE WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THIS. UM, I ALSO WANT TO APPRECIATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND OPPOSITION. I THINK YOU'VE THOROUGHLY AND INTELLIGENTLY AND RESPECTFULLY, UM, EXPRESSED YOUR CONCERNS AND, UH, MODELED WHAT YOU KNOW, IDEAL COMMUNITY DISCOURSE SHOULD, SHOULD LOOK LIKE. SO, AND I, AND I THINK IT HAS HAD A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THIS PROJECT. SO, UM, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS CASE, AS [05:00:01] I CAN TELL FOR, FOR ALL THE OTHER REASONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN STATED. UM, IT IS COMPATIBLE AND, UM, AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT'S APPROACH OF MINIMIZING BUILDING FOOTPRINTS. UM, THANKS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. I WILL, UM, SPEAK BRIEFLY ON, I THINK A LOT OF THOSE FOLKS IN THE FRONT ROW. AND I WERE AT A MEETING AT CHIBO, DINO ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO. I HAD AN INFANT SON AT THE TIME, AND HE WAS ABOUT TO TURN, AND HE'S ABOUT TO TURN TWO NEXT WEEK. UM, WHEN I WAS THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER HANDLING THIS CASE IN A PREVIOUS, UH, ITERATION. UM, AND BY THE WAY, IT'S, UM, I THINK IT WAS DENIED ONCE WITHOUT PREJUDICE SEVERAL YEARS AGO, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT PIECE OF, OF CONTEXT, THAT SUBSEQUENT VERSION WAS WITHDRAWN. AND NOW HERE WE ARE TODAY. UM, AND I HEARD LOTS OF CONCERNS, UM, AT THAT MEETING, AT SUBSEQUENT MEETINGS. UM, I WENT OUT AND TOURED THE AREA WITH, UM, SEVERAL OF YOU AND CAME TO UNDERSTAND, UM, THE ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITY FIRSTHAND AND A LOT OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT DEVELOPING ON THIS COMPLEX SITE, UM, PRESENTS. UM, WHAT I'VE ALSO SEEN IS AN APPLICATION THAT HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY FROM WHAT WAS IN FRONT OF ME APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS AGO, TO SOMETHING THAT HAS DECREASED, UM, MEANINGFULLY IN INTENSITY AND COME A LONG WAY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE SENSITIVITIES ON THE SITE. UM, WHAT WE SEE, NOT JUST IN THIS ZONING CASE, BUT IN A LOT OF ZONING CASES TODAY, ARE THE BENEFITS OF BUILDING UP A LITTLE BIT VERSUS OUR TRADITIONAL PATTERN IN A LOT OF AREAS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, OF BUILDING OUT AND GETTING PRODUCT THAT IS SINGLE FAMILY, DUPLEX, TOWN HOME, ET CETERA, THAT SORT OF SPRAWLS ACROSS AN INDIVIDUAL SITE. AND I THINK THE OPTIONS ON THIS SITE, WHETHER IT'S UNDER THE R 75 A OR UNDER SOME OTHER OPTIONS, WOULD CREATE A SORT OF SPRAWLING SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD BE VERY INSENSITIVE TO THE ENVIRONMENT, MENTAL ISSUES ON THE SITE. SO I THINK THE APPLICANTS WORKED HARD WITH THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS TO ADDRESS A LOT OF THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS. UM, I THINK MY COLLEAGUES HAVE HAVE SAID THIS WELL, BUT I, I'LL JUST MENTION IT AGAIN, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE FURTHER REVIEWS OF ANY A, ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SITE BY OTHER DEPARTMENTS OF THE CITY AND ENVIRONMENTAL, YOU KNOW, TRANSPORTATION AND OTHER ISSUES. AND I, I'M NOT ASSUMING THAT ANY OF THOSE REVIEWS WILL BE, YOU KNOW, A, A GUARANTEED YES. I, I HOPE THAT THIS APP, UH, DEVELOPMENT IS ULTIMATELY SUCCESSFUL. BUT I I IMAGINE THAT THOSE OTHER PARTIES, PARTS OF THE CITY, YOU KNOW, WHO WE HAVE TO PUT OUR TRUST IN WILL, YOU KNOW, DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE THERE. AND I'LL ALSO ADD THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NEARBY DEVELOPMENT ON, ON OTHER PROPERTY OWNED BY THIS APPLICANT. YOU KNOW, IF THAT, IF THAT'S GOING TO RE REZONED AND REQUIRES A FURTHER ZONING APPLICATION, WE WILL TAKE THAT APPLICATION UP ON ITS MERITS AND EVALUATE 'EM IN THE CONTEXT. WE'RE NOT HERE TO EVALUATE THAT TODAY. UM, I DO WANNA TAKE A, A STEP BACK AND ADDRESS THE DEED RESTRICTION ISSUE BECAUSE I DO THINK IT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE. AS SOME HAVE SAID, THESE ARE PUBLIC DEED RESTRICTIONS ENFORCEABLE BY THE CITY. I JUST WANNA ADD A FEW ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ON THE RECORD. ONE CITY STAFF CANNOT REQUEST DEED RESTRICTIONS FROM AN APPLICANT. SO THE WAY THAT WE GET TO DEED RESTRICTIONS IS THROUGH A DIALOGUE BETWEEN THE APPLICANT, THE COMMUNITY, AND THE COMMISSION. SO I THINK IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT THAT'S WHERE THEY HAVE TO COME FROM AND THAT'S WHERE THEY DO COME HERE. UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS JUST AS DIFFICULT TO CHANGE DEED RESTRICTIONS PROCESS-WISE AS IT IS TO CHANGE A PD. AND I'LL ADD, IT IS NOT THAT DIFFICULT TO CHANGE A PD DEVELOPMENT PLAN. IT IS NOT A, WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN TO CHANGE A PD DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE DON'T HAVE BROAD DISCRETION THERE. IF IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PD TEXT ITSELF, WE DO HAVE TO APPROVE IT. SO I DON'T, YOU KNOW, WANT ANYONE TO LEAVE HERE TODAY THINKING THAT A PD WITH A DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS NECESSARILY A MAGIC BULLET ITSELF. UM, THE OTHER THING WORTH MENTIONING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THE CITY'S ABILITY TO ENFORCE THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS, UM, ANY DEED RESTRICTIONS ON A PROPERTY ARE TAKEN VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY BY A LENDER, UM, JUST LIKE ANY ZONING WOULD BE. SO I THINK THESE WILL ALSO HAVE THAT IMPACT AND, AND THAT ADDED FORCE. UM, [05:05:01] AND I DO THINK THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS, AND PARTICULARLY THE COMBINATION OF THE LOT, LOT COVERAGE RESTRICTION AND THE PARKING REQUIREMENT OF ONE PER UNIT REALLY DO THE LIMIT, THE FEASIBLE DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SITE TO SOMETHING THAT'S QUITE REASONABLE, QUITE FAIR AND, AND QUITE FAIR TO THE AREA. UM, SO I AM, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A LONG JOURNEY. I THINK I'VE BEEN ON IT LONGER THAN MOST AT THIS HORSESHOE, CONSIDERING THAT I WAS HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THE FIRST APPLICANT. SO I AM, YOU KNOW, VERY HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION AND, YOU KNOW, LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING IT GOING ON TO COUNCIL AND HOPE THAT THERE'S ULTIMATELY A SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPMENT HERE. I KNOW THAT NOT EVERYONE'S GOING TO LEAVE THIS ROOM HAPPY, BUT I HOPE THAT ULTIMATELY, UM, WHAT RESULTS ON THE GROUND IS SOMETHING THAT REALLY DOES WORK FAIR FOR EVERYONE. COLLEAGUES. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A RECORD VOTE ON THIS ITEM. DISTRICT ONE, AYE. DISTRICT TWO AYE. DISTRICT THREE? AYE. DISTRICT ONE? DISTRICT FIVE. AYE. DISTRICT SIX? AYE. DISTRICT SEVEN AYE. DISTRICT EIGHT? AYE. DISTRICT NINE. AYE. DISTRICT 10? YES. DISTRICT 11? NO. DISTRICT 12? NO. DISTRICT 13? YES. DISTRICT 14? YES. AND PLACE 15? YES. OKAY. THE MOTION PASSES. OKAY, WE WILL MOVE ON [Items 27 & 28] TO ITEM NUMBER 27. AND CAN WE ACTUALLY TAKE 27 AND 28 UP TOGETHER SINCE THEY'RE BOTH BEING HELD AND THEY'RE ADJACENT? YES. I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ IT IN. UH, ITEM 27 IS CASE Z 25 1 56. AN APPLICATION FOR NEW PLANNED DEVELOPMENT SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED R SEVEN FIVE, A RESIDENTIAL SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 6 31, THE WEST DAVIS SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 1 28 FOR A CONVENT ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF WEST DAVIS STREET AND SOUTH COCKLE HILL ROAD. STAFF. RECOMMENDATIONS, APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AND ITEM 28 Z 25 0 0 1 57 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT SUBDISTRICT AND PROPERTY ZONE R SEVEN FIVE. A RESIDENTIAL SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 6 31, THE WEST DAVIS SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF WEST DAVIS STREET, WEST OF COCKLE HILL ROAD. STAFF. RECOMMENDATIONS, APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS. THANK YOU MR. BATE. UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE SINCE IT'S GONNA BE HELD. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON ITEM 27 OR 28 FACING NONE. COMMISSIONER SIMS, CAN WE HAVE A MOTION? YES, PLEASE. IN THE MATTER OF, IN THE MATTER OF ITEMS Z 2 5 0 0 0 1, 56 AND FIVE, I MOVE THAT WE HOLD THESE ITEMS UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MARCH 26TH. 2026. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SIMS FOR YOUR MOTION. VICE CHAIR HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSIONS SAYING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. UM, WE'LL ACTUALLY TAKE A, A FIVE MINUTE BREAK, SO WE'LL BE, IT'S THREE 19 NOW. ACTUALLY, LET'S COME BACK AT 3 25. THANK YOU. OH, YOU HAVE TO LEAVE. OKAY. NEVERMIND. I THINK COMMISSIONER HAMPTON HAS TO LEAVE. SO ACTUALLY WE WILL TAKE THIS ONE UP, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON. SO APOLOGIES THERE. THANK YOU TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR THEIR INDULGENCE. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. UH, AND COMMISSIONER [29. 26-472A An application for a new planned development district for MF -2(A) Multifamily District uses on property zoned R-7.5(A) Single Family District, on the east corner of Worth Street and N. Peak Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to a development plan, façade plan, and conditions. Applicant: Devonshire Ventures, LLC Representative: Tommy Mann U/A From: January 15, 2026. Planner: Martin Bate Council District: 2 Z-25-000015 / Z234-354] KINGSTON IS STEPPING OUT OF THE ROOM BECAUSE SHE DOES HAVE A CONFLICT ON THIS ITEM, SO WE'LL GIVE HER A CHANCE TO STEP OUT. SHE IS OUT AND LET'S READ HER DOWN. ITEM 29 IS CASE Z 2 3 4 DASH 3 54, ALSO KNOWN AS Z 2 500 0 5. AN APPLICATION FOR NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR MF TWO. A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT USES ON PROPERTY ZONED R SEVEN FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE EAST CORNER OF WORTH STREET, NORTH BEACH STREET. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO DEVELOPMENT PLAN FACADE PLANNING CONDITIONS. MR. KINGSTON, UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UH, LOVELY TO SEE YOU ALL. UM, MAY I SHARE MY SCREEN? I THINK I HAVE TO BE MADE A PANELIST OR SOMETHING. WHATEVER BLACK MAGIC WEBEX IS, PARDON ME, PHILIP KINGSTON. UH, I CAN START BY TELLING YOU ALL THAT THIS IS AN INTERESTING SITE. IT'S, UH, LONG BEEN A PARKING LOT FOR EAST DALLAS CHRISTIAN CHURCH AT THE CORNER OF PEAK AND WIR. UM, IT IS ADJACENT TO THE, UH, PEAKS EDITION HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ASSOCIATION HAS BEEN VERY INVOLVED IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROJECT, UH, AS HAVE THE CLOSE IN NEIGHBORS. UH, YOU ALL HAVE SEEN CORRESPONDENCE. [05:10:04] I'M IN THERE ANYWAY, THE, UH, YOU ALL HAVE SEEN, UH, SUPPORT LETTERS FROM THE BASES AND THE GRANADOS WHO ARE THE CLOSEST NEIGHBORS TO THE PROPERTY. THEY'RE BOTH STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT. UM, IT IS A TRICKY SITE. UM, IT IS ON A DANGEROUS THOROUGHFARE. UM, PEAK IS SIMPLY NOT A TERRIFIC ROAD AND THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME INTERVENTIONS TO TRY TO MAKE IT BETTER. UM, BUT THE PROPERTY IS ZONED R SEVEN FIVE A AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS RIGHTFULLY CONCERNED ABOUT CHANGING USE FROM SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED ZONING. UM, WE ARGUE, UM, AND I THINK WE HAVE, UH, REACHED AN AGREEMENT THAT LOW DENSITY, MEDIUM SIZE MULTIFAMILY, UH, LIMITED IN HEIGHT TO 28 FEET AND TWO STORIES, UM, ADEQUATELY ADDRESSES THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS. AND SO, UM, IT, IT SIMPLY WASN'T GOING TO BE REDEVELOPED AS SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING AND IT'S NOT DOING ANY GOOD AS A PARKING LOT BECAUSE EAST DALLAS CHRISTIAN CHURCH NO LONGER NEEDS IT FOR PARKING. UM, SO THIS IS KIND OF THE BEST USE WE COULD COME UP WITH, AND WE THINK THAT OVER COURSE OF THE LAST YEAR WE'VE REALLY REACHED AN AGREEMENT. NO, MR. PEPE'S TRYING TO HELP ME. IT'S, IT'S HARD THOUGH. I DUNNO WHAT TO DO IS . IT'S OKAY, I CAN JUST KEEP GOING. I'LL PAINT, I'LL PAINT A PICTURE WITH WORDS. BEAUTIFUL. UM, THE, UH, WE SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCED THE ORIGINAL, UM, INTENSITY OF THE USE THAT WE HAD PROPOSED, UH, FROM 50 UNITS DOWN TO 38. UM, THE HEIGHT OF THE NEIGHBORING HOUSES IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THE ULTIMATE HEIGHT OF THIS BUILDING WILL BE. UM, AND WE HAVE MANAGED TO PUT ALL OF THE PARKING AS FAR FROM THE NEIGHBORS AS POSSIBLE. IT'S ON THE EXTREME EAST OF THE SITE. THE NEIGHBORS ARE ALL TO THE NORTH AND TO THE WEST. THE NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH WILL ADDITIONALLY BE SCREENED SO THEY DON'T GET A BUNCH OF, UH, HEADLIGHTS, UH, IN THEIR HOUSE, ALTHOUGH THERE'S NOT A DIRECT LINE TO ANY OF THEIR WINDOWS. UM, SO, UH, I THINK IT'S, IT, IT, IT CREATED A, A DIFFICULT SITUATION FOR THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE IT IS A SENSITIVE AREA. IT'S NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT IT'S NEXT DOOR TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND SO COMMISSIONER HAMPTON WAS VERY HELPFUL IN TRYING TO FIND, UM, EXISTING EXAMPLES OF LOW DENSITY MULTIFAMILY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WERE CONSTRUCTED AT OR NEAR THE SAME TIME AS PEAK'S EDITION. UM, A LITTLE LATER ACTUALLY. BUT, UH, SO WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IS AN ARTICULATED FACADE. UM, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON HAS WRITTEN SOME ARTICULATION LANGUAGE, WHICH WILL REQUIRE IT. WE ALSO HAVE A FACADE PLAN SO THAT WE WILL IN FACT EXECUTE ON WHAT WE'VE SHOWN THE NEIGHBORS, UH, SB EIGHT 40 AND, UH, I FORGET THE, THE BILL NUMBER OF THE ONE THAT BANS YOU ALL FROM. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. KINGSTON. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM? NOT VERY MANY PEOPLE LEFT SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JIM ANDERSON, 47 0 6 SWISS AVENUE, DALLAS, 7 5 2 0 4. I'M AN URBAN PLANNER THAT WORKED FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR 26 YEARS. ALSO THE SECOND VICE PRESIDENT OF THE PEAKS EDITION NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THIS IS SPOT ZONING BY DEFINITION. THIS SITE IS LOCATED, I'LL GIVE YOU A SIGN ANALYSIS YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE GOT BEFORE. THIS SITE IS LOCATED IN A LARGER AREA, COMPRISED OF 75 SINGLE FAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY LOTS. IT'S MOUNTED BY JUS CAROL ELMAN PEAK, AS MENTIONED IS ADJACENT TO THE PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION HISTORIC DISTRICT. 30 OF THESE LOTS ARE VACANT, INCLUDING THE SITE WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY. THERE ARE SEVEN LARGE CLUSTERS OF LOTS, LARGE ENOUGH FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO HAPPEN. UH, TWO OF THOSE CLUSTERS ARE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WHERE IT'S PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY VICTORIAN PRAIRIE HOUSES. THIS LARGER AREA SHOULD BE A TRANSITION FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD TO BAYLOR TO THE EAST OR TO THE WEST. I'M SORRY. THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAS REQUESTED AN AREA PLAN WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND [05:15:01] ALSO REQUEST AN AUTHORIZED HEARING TO ESTABLISH PROPER ZONING. BOTH THESE ARE ON HOLD. SO NOW WE'RE HERE FOR THE FIRST APPLICATION OF POSSIBLY SEVEN MORE. THERE IS NO PLAN, NO PLAN AT ALL FOR THIS AREA. WE ANTICIPATE AT LEAST SEVEN MORE SMALL PDS OVER THE NEXT YEARS, SO I'LL BE BACK SEVEN MORE TIMES, BRINGING THE SAME THING OUT. WHILE A COUPLE OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS ARE IN SUPPORT, THERE IS A WIDESPREAD CONCERN AND NON-SUPPORT FROM THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE WERE 19 SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE IN OPPOSITION FROM THE RESPONSE FORMS. ONLY ONE IN FAVOR HAPPENS TO BE AT THE CHURCH THAT SOLD 'EM THE LAND WHO OWNS MORE LAND IN THE AREA. SO THEY WANT MAL THEIR FAMILY ZONING SO THEY CAN SELL THEIR SINGLE FAMILY LOTS OFF FOR TOP DOLLAR. WHILE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACKNOWLEDGED THAT SINGLE FAMILY MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE, WE SUPPORT APPROPRIATELY SCALED FOUR PLEXES THAT CAN BE KNIT INTO THE FABRIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND AND TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. PLEASE STOP, SLOW DOWN ON THE SPOT ZONING AND AUTHORIZE THE STUDY TO CREATE A COMPREHENSIVE PD. KIND OF RIP THE BANDAGE OFF AT ONE TIME INSTEAD OF KIND OF BLEEDING IT OUT SLOWLY BY SLOWLY. UH, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT OH, ONE LITTLE ADDED ATTRACTION. UM, THIS HAPPENS TO BE THE SITE OF THE PEAKS FAMILY HOUSE FROM 1855, THE FIRST BRICK HOUSE IN EAST DALLAS, IN, IN THE EAST OF DALLAS. PROBABLY ONE OF THE OLDEST NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE IN OPPOSITION? MR. KINGSTON? UNDER OUR RULES. YOU GET A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL. I KNOW, BUT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON NEEDS TO LEAVE, SO I'LL JUST ANSWER QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO. AND I WILL THANK EVERYONE FOR THEIR ACCOMMODATION. UM, IN THE MATTER OF Z DASH 25 DASH ZERO 15, ALSO KNOWN AS Z 2 3 4 3 54, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A FACADE PLAN AND CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING, CHANGES UNDER MAIN USES PERMITTED AT THE FOLLOWING CONDITION GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY IS PROHIBITED UNDER DESIGN STANDARDS FOR MULTIFAMILY USE. ADD THE FOLLOWING CONDITION, BUILDING FACADE TRANSPARENCY. A MINIMUM 20% TRANSPARENCY MUST BE PROVIDED ON EACH FACADE UNDER OFF STREET PARKING AND LOADING. ADD THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. A PRIVATE PARKING, PARKING RESERVE FOR A SPECIFIC DWELLING UNIT MAY BE TANDEM PARKING SPACE IN FRONT OF ANOTHER PARKING SPACE. GUEST PARKING MAY NOT BE TANDEM. ITEM B PROVIDED PARKING MAY NOT CHARGE A FEE. AND I HAVE COMMENTS IF I HAVE A SECOND. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, YOUR COMMENTS. AND, UH, BY THE WAY, DO YOU HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT? THANK YOU. UM, I JUST WANNA START BY THANKING EVERYONE WHO'S BEEN ENGAGED WITH THIS PROCESS. WE HAVE HAD ROBUST COMMUNITY INPUT STARTING IN MARCH OF LAST YEAR. UM, THE APPLICANT TEAM HAS BEEN PART OF THOSE AND THE REQUEST THAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY REFLECTS THAT DISCUSSION FROM THE MEETINGS AS WELL AS THE RECENT COMMUNITY INPUT AND DISCUSSION. DURING THIS BRIEFING, WE HAVE WORKED VERY HARD TO TRY TO ADDRESS COMMUNITY CONCERNS. I ACKNOWLEDGE THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS IN THE COMMUNITY ON THIS REQUEST. UM, THERE'S A FEW OF THE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT, UM, WITHIN THOSE. THE FIRST HAS BEEN HAVING TO DO WITH THE GROUP RESIDENTIAL GROUP. RESIDENTIAL FACILITY. UM, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN CLEAR THIS IS NOT THEIR INTENT. HOWEVER, THIS ZONING GOES WITH THE LAND. AND THIS BEEN THE 30 YEARS I'VE LIVED IN EAST DALLAS, HAS BEEN A CONCERN ON OP, HOW FACILITIES ARE OPERATING PROHIBITING. IT PROVIDES CERTAINTY TO THE COMMUNITY MOVING FORWARD. SECOND IS ON THE DENSITY. THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE OF COMPATIBILITY OF CONTEXT APARTMENT VERSUS A QUADPLEX OR SIMILAR SMALLER BUILDING TYPES. AND THAT WAS A HUGE PART OF HOW THE BUILDING AND THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN FRONT OF YOU WERE CRAFTED. THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A VERY DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND THERE ARE MANY SMALLER PLEXES. THERE'S 1960S APARTMENTS, WHICH ARE GENERALLY LARGER. THIS PROJECT SEATS TO STRIKE A BALANCE BETWEEN THE TWO FROM THE VOIDS AND THE MASSING TO REFLECT A HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN TO STORY LIMITATIONS, FACADE ARTICULATION. ALL OF THOSE ARE WORKING TO HONOR THE SPIRIT OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE OVERALL COMMUNITY. THE SECOND MAJOR ITEM WAS PARKING AND TRAFFIC. THIS IS GONNA CONTINUE TO BE A DISCUSSION ON EVERY PROJECT THAT COMES BEFORE US AS OUR [05:20:01] CITY CONTINUES TO HAVE NEW AND INFILL DEVELOPMENT. THE LANGUAGE THAT I HAVE PROPOSED WILL NOT ADDRESS ALL THE CONCERNS, BUT IT CODIFIES TWO SIGNIFICANT ONES IN COMMUNITY DISCUSSION, WHICH IS TANDEM PARKING AND THAT, UM, CHARGING A FEE WOULD POTENTIALLY IMPACT SURROUNDING RESIDENCES ON TRAFFIC. PEAK IS A MAJOR CORRIDOR. IT IS VEHICULAR DESIGNED ONE WAY TRAFFIC IN SIGNIFICANT SPEEDS. IT BISECTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE ENGINEERING STUDY FOR A TWO-WAY CONVERSION IS GOING TO BE THE BEST OPTION TO KNIT THE COMMUNITY BACK TOGETHER AND ADDRESS AND IMPROVE PEDESTRIAN REALM, WHICH WILL BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS THIS PROJECT CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC SPEED ON INTERNAL NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS. THOSE ARE OCCURRING THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE BROADER COMMUNITY. THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THESE CONVERSATIONS AND I ANTICIPATE WE'LL CONTINUE TO BE ADVOCATING WITH ENGINEERING ON HOW WE ADDRESS THAT GOING FORWARD. FINALLY, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT MR. ANDERSON IN HIS COMMENTS NOTED THE NEED FOR AN AREA PLAN. THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS REQUESTED PRIOR TO FORWARD DALLAS AND EVEN EARLIER. I STRONGLY SUPPORT THAT. I THINK IT WOULD PROVIDE, UM, CONSIST SLEEP BOTH FOR THE RESIDENTS AS WELL AS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. THERE WILL BE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND HAVING CONSISTENT STANDARDS THAT EVERYONE CAN UNDERSTAND, I THINK BENEFITS ALL PARTIES. I RECOGNIZE THAT THOSE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO THIS REQUEST, UM, YOU KNOW, MAY NOT BE ALL HERE TODAY. THEY ARE SIGNIFICANT AND I I I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I'VE HEARD THEIR VOICES, BUT FOR ME, THIS REQUEST AS IT IS BEFORE US ON THIS SITE ON A CORNER LOT, ON A THOROUGHFARE, IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT AN INTERIOR LOCK OR A MIDBLOCK LOT WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN HOW I WOULD CONSIDER IT IN MY, WHAT MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE. AND I HOPE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, SEEING NONE, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT, NOW LET'S TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK AND BE BACK AT 3 43. OKAY, IT IS 3:45 PM AND THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION IS BACK ON THE RECORD. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON HAS REJOINED [30. 26-473A An application for an amendment to Specific Use Permit 2506 for a late-hours establishment limited to a restaurant without drive -in or drive-through service use on property zoned Planned Development District 842, on the east line of Greenville Avenue, north of Oram Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to staff’s recommended conditions. Applicant: John Kim Representative: Robert Baldwin Planner: Michael V. Pepe Council District: 14 Z-25-000187] US AND WE WILL GO TO MR. PEPE TO READ. UM, ITEM 30 INTO THE RECORD, ITEM 30 IS Z 2 5 0 0 180 7. IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT SPECIFIC USE PERMIT 2 5 0 6 FOR A LATE HOURS ESTABLISHMENT LIMIT TO A RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE-IN OR DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 8 42 ON THE EAST LINE IN GREENVILLE AVENUE NORTH OF ORM STREET. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL, YOUR STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS, MR. BALDWIN. GOOD AFTERNOON, ROB BALDWIN. 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B AND THIS IS A REQUEST FOR RENEWAL OF A LATE NIGHT PERMIT FOR THE FORTUNE HOUSE. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH HIM SINCE 2017 ON THESE, THIS ONE WE'RE MODIFYING A LITTLE BIT. THEY, THEY NO LONGER NEED TO BE OPEN TILL TWO. THEY WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE IT TO ONE O'CLOCK ON FRIDAYS AND SATURDAY NIGHTS AND THEN MIDNIGHT THE REST OF THE TIME. UM, WE HAD A GOOD MEETING WITH OUR NEIGHBORS RECENTLY TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND, UH, THEY SUPPORT IT PROVIDED THAT WE DO A THREE YEAR TURN WITH NO AUTOMATIC RENEWALS AND I SUPPORT THAT AS WELL, UH, BASED AND ALSO THE REVISED CONDITIONS THAT I SUBMITTED TO STAFF. SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. I HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS REQUEST. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO, THERE ARE NOT COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. OKAY. UM, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 5 0 0 0 1 8 7, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE IT SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING, UM, CHANGES FOR THE TIME LIMIT, IT WILL BE THREE YEARS AND THEN FOR HOURS OF OPERATION, THE UH, ESTABLISHMENT WILL OPERATE BETWEEN 12:00 AM AND 1:00 AM FRIDAY THROUGH SUNDAY. AND, UH, MAY NOT OPERATE THE PATIO THOUGH BETWEEN 12:00 AM AND 1:00 AM MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY. ALL CUSTOMERS MUST REMOVE REMOVE FROM THE PROPERTY BY 1:15 AM. FOOD MUST BE AVAILABLE UNTIL 12:15 AM WHEN OPEN AFTER 12:00 AM AND FOR IN THE SECTION FOR OUTDOOR SPEAKERS, UM, IT SHOULD READ SPEAKERS AMPLIFICATION AND LIVE MUSIC ARE PROHIBITED ON THE OUTDOOR PATIO BETWEEN 12:00 AM AND 7:00 AM MONDAY THROUGH [05:25:01] SUNDAY. AND, UH, WHEN IN SERVICE MAY NOT EXCEED 63 DECIBELS. OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY, CAN I GET A CLARIFICATION? YEP. I THOUGHT I HEARD, UH, MR. BALDWIN SAY FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHTS. IT WAS JUST FRIDAY, SATURDAY AND SUNDAY. WELL, IT'S ONE O' ON SUNDAY. OH, OKAY. I'VE GOT YOU. SO IT MAKES IT SUNDAY, SO IT ACTUALLY IS FRIDAY. I'M SORRY I'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME. . OKAY. UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER KINGSTON? YEAH, UM, WE DID HAVE A MEETING ON THIS AND THE NEXT CASE WITH, UM, ALL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS FROM ALL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCI ASSOCIA ASSOCIATION ASSOCIATIONS ON LOWER GREENVILLE. AND I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT EVEN THOUGH STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED ON BOTH OF THESE CASES THAT THE SUVS BE PERMANENT, THE APPLICANTS DID NOT ASK FOR THAT AND UM, I BELIEVE MR. BALDWIN UM, MADE THAT CLEAR. I DON'T WANNA ASK MR. BALDWIN A QUESTION. UM, CAN YOU SHED SOME LIGHT ON WHY THE APPLICANTS FOR BOTH OF THESE CASES, UM, DID NOT ASK FOR PERMANENT SUVS ON GREENVILLE AVENUE? BECAUSE, UM, I, I'M AWARE THAT, UH, LOWER GREENVILLE IS A SPECIAL PLACE AND THEY'VE COME A LONG WAY FROM WHERE THEY WERE 15, 20 YEARS AGO BE AND I THINK A LOT HAS TO DO WITH PD 8 42 AND I KNOW THAT A PERMANENT SUP WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTED THERE, NOR IS IT WARRANTED THERE. AND FOR THE GOOD OPERATORS, HAS IT BEEN YOUR EXPERIENCE THAT THEY SUPPORT HAVING THE SUP PROCESS WE HAVE IN PLACE? AND IF SO, WHY? I'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM GETTING AN SUP APPROVED FOR GOOD OPERATORS. UM, YOU KNOW, YOU DO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU MIGHT NOT GET EVERYTHING YOU WANT, BUT THEY'VE NEVER BEEN UNREASONABLE WHEN THERE'S A PROBLEMATIC OPERATION ON LOWER GREEN VOLTAGES THAT NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE GOOD OPERATORS TOO. I'M SORRY, I SAID WHEN THERE'S A PROBLEMATIC OPERATOR ON LOWER GREENVILLE, WHAT IMPACT DOES IT HAVE ON THE GOOD OPERATORS? OH, IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR EVERYBODY. YEAH. YEAH. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, SEEING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES MR. PAPPY. [31. 26-474A An application for an amendment to Specific Use Permit 2515 for a late-hours establishment limited to a restaurant without drive -in or drive-through service use on property zoned Planned Development District 842, in an area bounded by Greenville Avenue, La Vista Drive, Lewis Street, and Hope Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to staff’s recommended conditions. Applicant: Jack Quigley - Voodoo Doughnut Representative: Robert Baldwin Planner: Michael V. Pepe Council District: 14 Z-25-000188] ITEM 31 IS Z 2 500 0 180 8. IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT 2 5 1 15 FOR LATE HOURS ESTABLISHMENT LIMITED. DO A RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE OR DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 8 42 IN AN AREA BOUND BY GREENVILLE AVENUE, LA VISTA DRIVE LEWIS STREET IN HOPE STREET. UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. THANK YOU MR. PEPPY. MR. BALDWIN. GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN. ROB BALDWIN 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET. UM, THIS IS JUST DOWN THE STREET. UH, WE ARE REQUESTING A FIVE YEAR SUP NO AUTOMATIC RENEWALS AND THIS ONE'S A BIT DIFFERENT IN THAT, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE STAFF REPORT, IT'S IT, WE'RE BASICALLY ASKING FOR THIS TO BE ALLOWED TO BE OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY. IT'S A VOODOO DONUTS AND WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT. THEY HAVE NOT BEEN A PROBLEM. AND I HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. BALDWIN. ANY OTHER SPEECHES ON THIS ITEM? I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 5 0 0 0 180 8? MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH THE FOLLOWING MODIFICATION INSTEAD OF IT HAVING NO LIMIT IN TERMS OF TIME, IT'LL BE LIMITED TO FIVE YEARS. GREAT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGS FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? NO DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. SUBDIVISION [SUBDIVISION DOCKET - Consent Items] CONSENT DOCKET. YEAH, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. [05:30:03] GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. THE, THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT CONSISTS OF 12 ITEMS, ITEM 32, ITEM 33, ITEM 34, ITEM 35, ITEM 36, ITEM 37, ITEM 38, ITEM NUMBER 39, ITEM NUMBER 40, ITEM NUMBER 41, ITEM NUMBER 42, AND ITEM NUMBER 43. ALL CASES HAVE BEEN POSTED FOR A HEARING AT THIS TIME. AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. RETA. UM, THESE ARE SUBDIVISION ITEMS ON A CONSENT DOCKET, ITEMS 32 THROUGH 43. ARE EITHER OF YOU GENTLEMEN HERE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS? AND, UH, JORGE, UM, I SEE THAT THERE ARE THREE SPEAKERS ONLINE ON, ON SUBDIVISION CONSENT ITEMS. ARE ANY OF THEM ONLINE? WHAT ALL GON GONZALEZ? OH, ALL. OKAY. UM, UH, MR. MCKINNIS OR MR. WOLF, UM, ARE YOU, I SEE THAT YOU'RE THE APPLICANT OR THE REPRESENTATIVE. UH, ARE YOU JUST HERE FOR QUESTIONS OR DID YOU HAVE A DESIRE TO SPEAK ON THESE ITEMS? I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. OKAY. THAT'S MR. WOLF. I'M 37. I'M 37. THANK YOU MR. MCINNIS, ARE YOU THERE? OKAY, I DON'T THINK MR. MCINNIS IS THERE. SO, UH, WE WILL GO TO COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN FOR A MOTION ON THE SUBDIVISION CONSENT AGENDA. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR AND THE MATTER OF THE SUBDIVISION CONSENT AGENDA, ITEMS 32 THROUGH 43, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET. GREAT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER HOUSE WRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION SAYING NOT? OH, COMMISSIONER COX. DID THE GENTLEMAN ONLINE SAY HE WAS HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS REGARDING NUMBER 37? YES. GOOD. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. OKAY. AND I'M SORRY, SIR, WHAT WAS YOUR NAME AGAIN? PHILLIP WOLF. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND MR. WOLF, COULD YOU TURN YOUR CAMERA ON? STATE LAW DOES REQUIRE REMOTE SPEAKERS. UH, LET ME SEE. I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WOULDN'T COME ON AUTOMATICALLY. IS THAT ON NOW? THERE WE GO. THERE YOU GO. THERE YOU GO. WE CAN SEE OR WE COULD, WE CAN, YEP, WE CAN SEE HIM. SO JUST, JUST REAL QUICK, THE, UH, MCC, THE MCCAMEY AND OSAGE, UH, BRANCH WA WASTEWATER PROJECT, IS THAT NEAR THIS DEVELOPMENT? ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT? I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT. OKAY. THIS DEVELOPMENT IS ON KELLER SPRINGS BETWEEN, BETWEEN PRESTON ROAD AND, UM, I'LL TRY TO REMEMBER WHAT THE NEAREST ONE, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE PRESTON ROAD SPRINGS INTERSECTION. OKAY, THANK YOU. YOU, YOU, I'M NOT AWARE OF WHERE THAT TREE PLANT AT. YEAH, YOU, YOU WOULD KNOW IF IT WAS NEAR YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS? OKAYING? NONE. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CASSETTE DOCKET. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. MOVE [44. 26-488A An application to replat a 3.142-acre tract of land containing all of Lot 1A in City Block 2/7128 and a tract of land in City Block 7128 to create one 0.118-acre lot and one 3.024-acre lot on property located between Gallagher Street and Morris Street, west of Harston Street. Applicant/Owner: New Pilgrim Rest Baptist Church Surveyor: Burns Surveying Application Filed: January 9, 2026 Zoning: R-5(A) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Sharmila Shrestha Council District: 6 PLAT-26-000016] ON TO ITEM NUMBER 44. ITEM NUMBER 44. UM, IT IS AN APPLICATION TO REPLANT A 3.142 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOT ONE A IN CITY BLOCK TWO OVER 71 28 AND A TRACK OF LAND IN CITY BLOCK 71 28 TO CREATE ONE 0.118 ACRE LOT AND ONE 3.024 ACRE LOT ON PROPERTY LOCATED BETWEEN GALLAGHER STREET AND MORRIS STREET WEST OF TON STREET. 1880. NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON JANUARY 20TH, 2026. WE HAVE RECEIVED ZERO REPLY IN FAVOR AND TWO REPLIES IN OPPOSITION FOR THIS REQUEST. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. OKAY. CERTAIN YOU, ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 44, WE HAVE ONE PERSON SIGN UP TO SPEAK ONLINE. JOSHUA GOBO. IS HE ONLINE? YES. YES, I'M ONLINE. OKAY. ARE YOU ABLE TO TURN YOUR CAMERA ON, SIR? YES, SIR. OKAY, GREAT. I SEE YOU AND, UH, IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS, WE'RE READY FOR THEM. UH, NO COMMENTS. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UM, UH, THAT MAY [05:35:01] HAVE CAME UP AND JUST, UH, GET ANY CLARITY OF ANY REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU NEEDED. OKAY, WELL THANK YOU SO MUCH, SIR. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES. IN THE MATTER OF PLAT 26 0 0 0 0 1 6. I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE COMPLIANCE SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION. VICE CHAIR HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? NO DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES [45. 26-489A An application to replat a 4.449-acre tract of land containing all of Lots 1 through 3 in City Block A/7687 and tract of land in City Block 7687 to create 18 lots ranging in size from 7,500 square feet to 11,686 square feet, one common area and to dedicate a right-of-way, and to remove a 30-foot existing platted building line along Plano Road on property located on Plano Road at Havencreek Court, northeast corner. Applicant/Owner: Highlander School, Inc. Surveyor: Spiars Engineering and Surveying Application Filed: January 8, 2026 Zoning: R-7.5(A) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Sharmila Shrestha Council District: 10 PLAT-26-000003] NUMBER 45 I ITEM NUMBER 45. IT IS AN APPLICATION TO PLET A 4.449 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOTS ONE THROUGH THREE IN CITY BLOCK A OVER 76 87 AND TRACK OF LAND IN CITY BLOCK 76 87 TO CREATE 18 LOTS RANGING IN SIZE FROM 7,500 SQUARE FEET TO 11,686 SQUARE FEET, ONE COMMON AREA, AND TO DEDICATE A RIGHT OF WAY AND TO REMOVE A 30 FOOT EXISTING PLANET BUILDING LINE ALONG PLANER ROAD ON PROPERTY. LOCATED ON PLANER ROAD AT HEAVEN CREEK COURT. UM, NORTHEAST CORNER 42 NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON JANUARY, 2026, WE HAVE RECEIVED FIVE REPLIES IN FAVOR AND JURY REPLY AND OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST. THIS REQUEST REQUIRES TWO MOTIONS BECAUSE IT IS A REPLY AND IT INVOLVES THE REMOVAL OF THE PLATTED BUILDING LINE. THE FIRST MOTION IS TO APPROVE A DENY REMOVING AN EXISTING 30 FOOT PLATTED BUILDING LINE STAFF. RECOMMENDATION ON BUILDING LINE IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. THE SECOND MOTION IS TO APPROVE A DENY RE PLAT STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON REPLAT IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. RETTA. I SEE THAT WE HAVE A SPEAKER HERE. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSION. MY NAME IS ZACHARY MOTLEY. I'M THE VP OF LAND DEVELOPMENT FOR MI HOMES OF D-F-W-A-L-C. WE'RE A SUBSIDIARY IN MY HOMES, INC. A UH, PUBLICLY TRADED HOME BUILDER BASED OUTTA COLUMBUS, OHIO. WE HAVE THE PROPERTY UNDER CONTRACT AND WE'RE THE ONES BEING THE DEVELOPER OF THIS PROJECT. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, DO YOU HAVE MOTIONS? YES. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UH, IN CASE NUMBER, UH, PLAT TWO SIX DASH 0 0 0 0 3, I MOVED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST TO REMOVE THE EXISTING 30 FOOT PLATTED BUILDING LINE ALONG PLANO ROAD WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT REMOVAL OF THE BUILDING LINE WILL NOT REQUIRE A MINIMUM FRONT SIDE OR REAR YARD SETBACK LINE LESS THAN REQUIRED BY THE ZONING REGULATION, BE CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST, ADVERSELY AFFECT NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES OR ADVERSELY AFFECT THE PLAN FOR THE ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUBDIVISION. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR MOTION. VICE CHAIR FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES YOUR SECOND MOTION. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR IN, UH, THE MATTER OF TWO SIX DASH 0 0 0 0 3. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE PLAT SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR MOTION. VICE CHAIR FOR YOUR SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? NO DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY, [CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR SIGNS - Consent Items] WE HAVE OUR SIGNED CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH CONSISTS OF ITEMS 46 THROUGH 49. DOES ANYONE NEED ANY OF THOSE ITEMS REMOVED FROM THE SIGNED CONSENT AGENDA? OKAY, WE'LL HAVE MR. ROPER READER IN GOOD AFTERNOON. ITEM 46 IS SIGNED DASH 25 DASH 0 2 2 4. AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY JESUS SANCHEZ OF SANTECH SIGNS LLC FOR A 147.4 SQUARE FOOT FRONT LIT INDIVIDUALLY MOUNTED CHANNEL LETTER SIGN ON THE SOUTHERN FACING FACADE AT 8 99. THE NORTH STEMMONS FREEWAY STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. S-S-D-A-C. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL NUMBER 47 IS SIGNED. DASH 25 DASH 0 0 2 0 2 5. AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY JESUS SANCHEZ OF SUNTEC SIGNS LLC FOR A 147.4 SQUARE FOOT FRONT LIT INDIVIDUALLY MOUNTED CHANNEL LETTER SIGN ON THE SOUTHERN FACING FACADE AT 8 99 NORTH STEMMONS FREEWAY NORTH ELEVATION. [05:40:01] STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. S-S-D-A-C. RECOMMENDATION WAS APPROVAL. ITEM NUMBER 48 IS SIGN DASH 25 DASH 0 0 2 0 9. AND APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY FRANCISCO SILVA OF SILVA SIGNS AND SERVICE FOR A 76.6 SQUARE FOOT. LED ILLUMINATED FLAT ATTACHED SIGN AT 1909 BRYAN STREET. EAST ELEVATION. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. S-S-D-A-C. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL AND ITEM 49 IS SIGN DASH 25 DASH 0 0 2 0 1 2. AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY DAVID BROWN OF A SI SIGNAGE INNOVATIONS FOR AN 80 SQUARE FOOT. LED ILLUMINATED FLAT ATTACH SIGN AT 2 7 1 7 HOWELL STREET ON THE SOUTHWEST ELEVATION. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL AND S-S-D-A-C RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. GREAT, THANK YOU MR. ROPER. I'LL NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ANY GUESTS IN THE BUILDING ANYMORE, SO WE CAN GO TO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR A MOTION. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE SIGNS CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 46 THROUGH 49. GREAT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION. VICE CHAIR HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I DON'T SEE ANY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A ANY OPPOSED SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. WE'LL [Items 50 - 53] GO TO ITEM 50. ITEM 50 IS SIGN DASH TWO FIVE DASH 0 0 1 1 9 1. AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY A POLO PADILLA. A FUSION AE FOR A 33.6 SQUARE FOOT COMBINATION OF NON ILLUMINATED FLAT ATTACKS. SIGNS ON THE NORTH HOUSTON STREET FACADE AT 5 0 1 ELM STREET, SUITE 100 ON THE WEST ELEVATION. THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS APPROVAL. S-S-D-A-C RECOMMENDATION WAS APPROVAL. AND I SEE THESE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PROPERTY. WE DON'T WANNA READ 'EM IN ALL AT ONE TIME AND DISPOSE OF LIMIT OF MOTION. GREAT. LET'S DO THE REST. ITEM 51 IS SIGN DASH 25 DASH 0 1 1 96. AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY POLO PADILLA OF FUSION AE FOR A FIVE SQUARE FOOT NON ILLUMINATED FLAT ATTACHED SIGN ON THE ELM STREET FACADE AT 5 0 1 ELM STREET SUITE 100 STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS APPROVAL. S-S-D-A-C. RECOMMENDATION WAS APPROVAL. ITEM 52 IS SIGN DASH 25 DASH 0 0 1 1 97. AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY POLO PADILLA OF FUSION AE FOR A 6.8 SQUARE FOOT COMBINATION OF NON ILLUMINATED FLAT ATTACHED SIGNS ON THE NORTH HOUSTON STREET AND ELM STREET FACADES AT 5 0 1 ELM STREET SUITE 100 STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS APPROVAL. S-S-D-A-C. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. ITEM 53 IS SIGN DASH 25 DASH 0 0 1 1 98. AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY POLO PADILLA OF FUSION AE FOR A 53.4 SQUARE FOOT COMBINATION OF NON ILLUMINATED CANOPY SIGNS ON THE ELM STREET FACADE AT 5 0 1 ELM STREET, SUITE 100 RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL AND S-S-D-A-C RECOMMENDATION WAS APPROVAL. THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. ROKER. I SEE THAT THE REPRESENTATIVE SIGNED UP ONLINE TO SPEAK. IS HE ONLINE? NOT ONLINE. OKAY. WE'VE GOT NO ONE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO AND I HAVE COMMENTS IN THE MATTER OF SIGN DASH 25 DASH 0 1 1 9 1. I'M GOING TO MOVE TO APPROVE WITH THE MODIFICATION THAT THE COLORS IN THE SIGN HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE MUNSELL BOOK OF COLOR NEIGHBORING HUGHES COLLECTION. UM, AND IN THE MATTER OF SIGN DASH 2 5 0 0 1 1 9 6, I'M GOING TO MOVE THAT WE APPROVE WITH THE PROVISION THAT THE COLORS HUGHES HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE MUNSELL BOOK OF COLOR NEIGHBORING HUGHES COLLECTION IN THE MATTER OF SIGN DASH 2 5 0 0 1 1 9 7 GOING TO MOVE THAT WE DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE AND IN THE MATTER OF SIGN DASH 2 5 0 0 1 1 98. I'M GOING TO MOVE THAT WE DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE. AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, I HAVE COMMENTS. OKAY, THANK YOU. YOU DO HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. OKAY, MR. KINGSTON. UM, I HAD ORIGINALLY ASKED COMMISSIONER HAMPTON TO HANDLE THIS LAST MONTH WHEN I WASN'T HERE AND SHE HELD THEM. UM, THESE SIGNS ARE IN THE WEST AND HISTORIC DISTRICT. THEY WOULD BE AFFIXED TO IT. HISTORIC WAREHOUSE. THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, [05:45:02] UM, ORDINANCE, UH, FOR SIGNS HAS A PROVISION THAT REGULATES THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW SIGNS OR THE ALTERATION OF SIGNS THAT NOT ONLY POINTS TO 51 A DASH 7.101, WHICH IS REFERENCED IN OUR PACKET, WHICH I, I ASSUME IS WHAT THE SIGN COMMITTEE LOOKED AT. BUT IT ALSO DIRECTS, UH, THIS BODY TO CONSIDER THE AESTHETIC CONSIDERATIONS TO ENSURE THAT NEW SIGNAGE IS APPROPRIATE IN HISTORICAL DESIGN AND DOES NOT VISUALLY OBSCURE SIGNIFICANT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE BUILDING OR THE DISTRICT IN GENERAL. AND THEN WHEN YOU, UM, GO TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ORDINANCE REGARDING SIGNS, UH, MORE SPECIFICALLY, UM, IT SAYS THAT SIGNS MUST GENERALLY COMPLY WITH THE FOLLOWING GUIDELINES. AND THERE'S A COLOR PROVISION THAT SAYS, UM, THE COLOR SHOULD GENERALLY COMPLY WITH THE HUE VALUE AND CHROMA SPECIFIED, UM, IN AN EXHIBIT. AND IT REFERENCES THE MUNSELL BOOK OF COLOR NEIGHBORING HUGHES COLLECTION. UM, AND IT'S GOT SOME OTHER PROVISIONS THAT TALK ABOUT WHAT, HOW THE SIGNS SHOULD, UH, BE DESIGNED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THESE SIGNS DON'T COME CLOSE, UM, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT I MOVED FOR DENIAL ON. THEY'RE NEON. THE PROVISIONS SPECIFICALLY, UM, DICTATE THAT WE SHOULD NOT USE NEON. UM, AND THE PLACEMENT OF THE SIGNS, PARTICULARLY THE CANOPY SIGNS HIDE THE, THE, UM, ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE BUILDING AND ARE OVERWHELMING ON THE BUILDING. UM, AND SO FOR THAT REASON, I AM SUGGESTING THAT WE DENY THOSE TO THE LAST TWO, UM, SIGNED REQUESTS WITH WITHOUT, I'M SORRY, WITHOUT PREJUDICE. UM, THE OTHER TWO, UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WITH SOME MODIFICATION TO THE COLORS THEY'VE CHOSEN COULD COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT SIGNED CRITERIA. BUT AS THEY ARE TODAY, THEY REALLY DON'T MATCH THAT EITHER. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HAN, UH, KINGSTON AND I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. OH YEAH. SHOULD THESE SIGNS BE REVIEWED BY LANDMARK? THEY WERE REVIEWED BY LANDMARK AND THEY WERE APPROVED THROUGH LANDMARK. THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT THAT IN OUR CASE REPORT THAT I SAW IT, IT WAS, UH, I CAN PULL IT UP. IT WAS IN THE CASE REPORT. OH, MAYBE I MISSED IT. SORRY. I MADE REFERENCE TO THE, UH, TO THE LANDMARK REVIEW, BUT, UH, I CAN PROVIDE THAT AFTERWARDS AS WELL. OKAY. WELL, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS? I'LL JUST SAY THAT THIS IS PROBABLY A FIRST WE'VE BEEN MORE DEMANDING THAN LANDMARK ON, ON SOMETHING, BUT I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE MOTION. UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT? UH, YEAH, DI DITTO. UH, WE'VE APPROVED A LOT OF UGLY SIGNS HERE ON CPC AND IT'S, IT'S REFRESHING TO GET TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS ONE. SO THANK ANYONE ELSE. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER TO APPROVE THE 51 50 AND 51 WITH MODIFICATIONS AS TO THE COLORS AND DENY 52 AND 53 WITHOUT PREJUDICE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS FOR US TODAY? OKAY, IT IS 4:11 PM AND THIS MEETING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.