* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. GOOD EVENING [00:00:02] EVERYONE. I'D LIKE TO CALL [Community Police Oversight Board on February 10, 2026.] THIS MEETING TO ORDER OFFICIALLY. UH, MY NAME IS JOHN MARK DAVIDSON. I HAVE THE HONOR OF SERVING AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD HERE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. WE HAVE CONFIRMED A QUORUM OF OUR MEMBERS, SO WE'RE READY TO PROCEED. UH, THE OFFICIAL START TIME FOR THIS MEETING IS 5:32 PM 5:32 PM SO WE'LL NOW BEGIN THIS MEETING WITH A ROLL CALL OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS. AND, UH, JUST AS A REMINDER, EACH OF US HAVE BEEN NOMINATED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR OF DALLAS TO SERVE AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THIS CITY, AS I CALL EACH DISTRICT, PLEASE INDICATE YOUR PRESENCE. DISTRICT ONE, DISTRICT TWO, JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO, PRESENT. DISTRICT THREE, CHONGA HIGGINS, DISTRICT THREE, PRESENT. DISTRICT FOUR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FOUR, DISTRICT FIVE. DISTRICT SIX. DISTRICT SIX. DERRICK PEGRAM. PRESENT DISTRICT SEVEN. DISTRICT EIGHT. DISTRICT EIGHT. JUDGE C VICTOR LANDER. PRESENT DISTRICT NINE. DISTRICT 10. DISTRICT 11. DISTRICT 12 IS VACANT. DISTRICT 13. JULIA SIMON, DISTRICT 13, PRESENT. DISTRICT 14. DISTRICT 14. BRANDON FRIEDMAN, PRESENT. AND I'M DISTRICT 15, JOHN MARK DAVIDSON. PRESENT, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. WE HAVE CORUM FOR THOSE JOINING US IN PERSON AND ONLINE. PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS AN OFFICIAL MEETING OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD AND IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT. THESE PROCEEDINGS ARE DESIGNED TO FOSTER OPEN COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE BOARD, BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND PUBLIC SAFETY STAKEHOLDERS, WHILE ENSURING THAT THE BOARD'S BUSINESS IS CONDUCTED EFFICIENTLY AND RESPECTFULLY. SO TO ACHIEVE THIS GOAL, DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. ALL ATTENDEES MUST REMAIN SEATED UNLESS OTHERWISE DIRECTED. ANYONE CAUSING A DISRUPTION WILL RECEIVE A MOURNING AND CONTINUE DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT WILL RESULT IN THE REMOVAL FROM THIS MEETING. AND THIS BOARD IS COMMITTED TO ACCESSIBILITY. IF YOU REQUIRE TRANSLATION SERVICES, SIGN LANGUAGE, INTERPRETERS, OR ANY OTHER ACCOMMODATIONS, PLEASE CONTACT OUR OFFICE O CPO@DALLAS.GOV AND GIVE US AT LEAST 72 HOURS PRIOR, UH, TO MAKE THOSE ARRANGEMENTS FOR YOU. I WANNA SHARE REAL QUICK THE PURPOSE OF THIS BOARD. THE MISSION OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD, FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD, IS TO BUILD AND MAINTAIN TRUST BY ENSURING THAT COMPLAINTS OF MISCONDUCT INVOLVING DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL ARE REVIEWED FAIRLY, TRANSPARENTLY AND THOROUGHLY. THE BOARD IS SUPPORTED BY THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT, THE OCPO, WHICH PROVIDES LOGISTICAL AND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE TO HELP US FULFILL THIS MISSION AND MAINTAIN ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE COMPLAINT PROCESS. SO WE'LL NOW MOVE, UH, TO THE PART OF OUR AGENDA WHERE WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE. UH, WE DO HAVE QUITE A LOT OF PEOPLE SIGNED UP TODAY. I BELIEVE THE FINAL COUNT IS 23 PEOPLE. AND, UM, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS NORMALLY WE GIVE THREE MINUTES PER PERSON, BUT BECAUSE OF THE QUANTITY, WE'D LIKE TO FIT EVERYBODY IN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. AND WE'RE GONNA ASK, UH, FOR EVERYONE TO SPEAK FOR TWO MINUTES TO GIVE EVERYBODY A VOICE. UH, THAT WAY EVERYBODY GETS TO SPEAK BEFORE OUR MEETINGS KINDA GO ALONG. SO, UH, WE WANT TO GIVE YOU THAT PLATFORM AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. UH, I DO BELIEVE JOHN PUTNAM IS RESTED TO SPEAK AT THE LAST, SO WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE YOU, UH, SPEAK AT THE END OF OUR MEETING. UH, BUT, UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND BEGIN JUST A FEW GUIDELINES. COMMENTS MUST ADDRESS ITEMS ON THE AGENDA OR ISSUES WITH WITHIN THE BOARD'S PURVIEW. AND, UH, WE ASK THAT NO COMMENTS ARE DIRECTED AT SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS. AND OF COURSE YOU ALL KNOW THIS, BUT DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, UM, IT'S NOT TOLERATED AND, AND WILL RESULT IN MUTING REMOVAL OR, UH, WE'LL HAVE TO CUT THE TIME SHORT, BUT I'M CONFIDENT TODAY WILL GO WELL. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO DOWN THIS LIST, UM, GIVING PRIORITY TO OUR DALLAS RESIDENTS. I DO WANT TO INVITE ISAIAH ALVAREZ IF HE'S HERE. OH YES. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND, UH, WE HAVE A, A TIMER THERE. YOU KNOW THE DRILL. UH, PLEASE MAKE SURE, UH, YOUR MICROPHONE'S [00:05:01] TURNED ON 'CAUSE WE WANT THOSE ONLINE TO BE ABLE TO HEAR AS WELL. AND, UM, WHENEVER YOU BEGIN, YOUR TWO MINUTES WILL START. AND WHENEVER THAT CLOCK IS OVER, WE JUST ASK THAT YOU FINISH YOUR THOUGHT. AND, UH, AS BE RESPECTFUL, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE TO TALK TODAY. SO FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK YOU. UM, I BELIEVE THERE WAS A STATEMENT SHARED WITH YOU ALL A PDF, UM, YES, WE DID RECEIVE. ALL OF US RECEIVED THAT STATEMENT. YES. PERFECT. THANK YOU. UM, THAT IS A STATEMENT FROM A LOT OF THE ORGANIZATIONS AND INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE HERE TODAY. AND WE HAVE ALL SIGNED ONTO THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE NOTICED THERE IS A LOCAL POLICY GAP IN WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN DALLAS. ON DECEMBER 9TH, ASSISTANT CHIEF ISRAEL HERRERA SAID THAT ICE AGENTS DO NOT HAVE TO SHOW PROOF OF IDENTITY TO DPD TO ICE IN THE FIELD BECAUSE THEY MAY BE OPERATING ON THE COVER. AND THAT STATEMENT MATTERS NOT BECAUSE OF ICE'S AUTHORITY, BUT BECAUSE OF DPDS CONDUCT. ICE MAY BE FEDERAL DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS ARE NOT. AND WHEN DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS ACTED, THE CITY OF DALLAS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RULES THAT GOVERN THAT CONDUCT. DALLAS POLICY ALREADY PROHIBITS PROLONGING DETENTION FOR ICE. IT ALREADY STATES INDIVIDUALS CANNOT BE ARRESTED SIMPLY FOR BEING UNDOCUMENTED. IT ALREADY REQUIRES VERIFICATION BEFORE OFFICERS ACT ON WARRANTS. BUT THERE'S NO EQUIVALENT VERIFICATION STANDARD WHEN IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT ENFORCEMENT IS INVOLVED. NO CLEAR RULE DEFINING WHAT MUST BE VERIFIED, WHAT AUTHORITY MUST BE CONFIRMED OR WHAT MUST BE REPORTED. AND THAT GAP CREATES FEAR FOR RESIDENTS, UNCERTAINTY FOR OFFICERS, AND LIABILITY TO THE CITY. WE ARE NOT ASKING THE CITY TO STOP ICE. WE ARE ASKING THE CITY TO GOVERN DALLAS POLICE CONDUCT, WHICH CLEARLY HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DO. TRANSPARENCY IS NOT PUNISHMENT, IT IS BASIC GOVERNANCE. TRUST DOES NOT COME FROM SILENCE. SAFETY DOES NOT COME FROM AMBIGUITY. AND ACCOUNTABILITY DOES NOT BEGIN AFTER HARM. IT BEGINS WITH CLEAR RULES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. ALVAREZ. APPRECIATE THAT. NEXT, I'D LIKE TO INVITE TO THE MICROPHONE. MICHAEL POLSKY. IS THERE A MICHAEL POLSKY? UH, WHAT ABOUT BARRETT JOHNSTON? YES, I'M ONLINE. IS THERE A, IS THERE A MICHAEL POLSKY ONLINE. OKAY. UH, WHAT ABOUT A BARRETT JOHNSTON? YEP. OH, I'M ONLINE. OH, ONLINE. ALRIGHT. GREAT. UH, THANK YOU FOR, FOR JOINING US, AND, UH, YEAH, WHENEVER YOU BEGIN, UH, YOUR TIME WILL START. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. IN DISTRICT SIX ON DECEMBER 9TH, THE SENIOR DALLAS POLICE OFFICIAL STATED THAT ICE AGENTS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO SHOW PROOF OF IDENTITY TO DBD IN FIELDS. AS IT STANDS, DALLAS LACKS CLEAR ENFORCEABLE GUIDELINES GOVERNING HOW OUTSIDE FEDERAL AGENTS IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AND VERIFY THEIR AUTHORITY. WHEN OPERATING IN OUR CITY, THAT CREATES REAL RISKS TO PUBLIC SAFETY, TO OFFICER SAFETY, AND TO THE CITY'S LEGAL LIABILITY. UNIFORMS, TACTICAL VESTS AND VEHICLE MARKINGS ARE NOT PROOF OF LAWFUL AUTHORITY. IF SOMEONE IS EXERCISING AUTHORITY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, RESIDENTS DESERVE TO KNOW WHO THEY ARE, WHAT AGENCY THEY REPRESENT, WHETHER THEY ARE ACTING UNDER LAWFUL AUTHORITY AND WHEN AND HOW DPD IS INVOLVED. THIS BOARD ASKED FOR BASIC OVERSIGHT DATA ON WHEN DPD ASSISTS ICE AND INFORMATION ABOUT OFFICER TRAINING. IN THOSE SITUATIONS, THE ANSWER FROM CHIEF CUOMO WAS A CLEAR AND DEFIANT NO, NO AGGREGATE REPORTING. NO BRIEFING, NO DOCUMENTATION. INSTEAD, THE PUBLIC WAS GIVEN ASSURANCES THAT DPD DOES NOT DO ANYTHING REGARDING IMMIGRATION. WHILE ALSO HEARING THAT DPD COOPERATES WITH FEDERAL AUTHORITIES SETS PERIMETERS AND MAINTAINS A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM. IF DPD IS SECURING A PERIMETER WHILE ENFORCEMENT OCCURS, THAT IS OPERATIONAL INVOLVEMENT. AND WHEN THERE IS INVOLVEMENT, THERE MUST BE POLICY WHERE THERE'S POLICY, THERE MUST BE DOCUMENTATION. AND WHERE THERE IS DOCUMENTATION, THEN THERE CAN BE OVERSIGHT. WE ARE ASKING FOR STRAIGHTFORWARD COMMON SENSE MEASURES, VERIFIABLE IDENTIFICATION FROM OUTSIDE AGENTS, OPERATING ALONGSIDE DPD CONFIRMATION THAT JUDICIAL WARRANTS ARE REQUIRED FOR NON-PUBLIC FACILITIES EXCEPT INDOCUMENTED EMERGENCIES AND TRANSPARENT AFTER THE FACT REPORTING ON JOINT OPERATIONS. [00:10:01] CLOSE WITH A QUESTION RAISED BY A BOARD MEMBER IN THE LAST MEETING. WHEN THIS IS ALL OVER AND THERE ARE CHARGES BROUGHT AGAINST PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE THE THINGS THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE DONE, ARE THOSE CHARGES GOING TO BE BROUGHT AGAINST MEMBERS OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU MS. JOHNSON. I'D LIKE TO INVITE WILLIAM HARRISON IF THERE'S WILLIAM WILLIAM HARRISON. THANK YOU MR. HARRISON. AND AFTER WILLIAM HARRISON WILL BE SAM WILLIAMS IF HE'S HERE. MR. HARRISON, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU. UM, YEAH, JUST MAKE SURE YOUR MIC PHONE IS TURNED ON JUST SO WE CAN ALL HEAR YOU. CHECK, CHECK AND INTO THE MIC SO WE CAN ALL, UH, AND, UH, YEAH, YOUR TIME WILL BEGIN WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. OKAY. I WANT TO ASK THE CITY TO DEVELOP CLEARER GUIDELINES FOR OFFICERS WHO INTERACT WITH ICE. CURRENTLY. ICE IS NOT REQUIRED TO VERIFY THEIR IDENTITY BEYOND JUST TRUST ME BRO. AND I FIND THAT CONCERNING. WE HAVE ALREADY HEARD EXAMPLES OF CRIMINALS POSING AS IMMIGRATION IN ORDER TO STEAL AND ASSAULT OTHERS WHILE MASKED. UH, ANYONE HERE CAN GET A PLATE CARRIER BELT FATIGUES AND VELCRO POLICE BADGES PATCHES OFF OF TEMU FOR LESS THAN 150 BUCKS. IF A MASK MAN TRIES TO INVADE OUR HOMES, AND WE CAN'T CALL THE DPD TO VERIFY IDENTITY, THEN HOW CAN INNOCENT CITIZENS IN OUR CITY EXPECT TO KEEP THEMSELVES SAFE? I'M ASKING FOR CLEARER GUIDANCE REQUIRING FEDERAL AGENTS TO BE UNMASKED AND IDENTIFY THEMSELVES BY NAME AND ID NUMBER TO DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT UPON REQUEST. AND IF AN AGENT IS ATTEMPTING TO ENTRY INTO A PRIVATE SPACE, THEY MUST PROVIDE DPD ASSIGNED JUDICIAL NOT ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT TO THE D-B-T-D-P-D OFFICER. WITHOUT THIS KIND OF TRANSPARENCY, CITIZENS MAY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE NO OTHER RECOURSE, BUT TO DEFEND THEM, THEIR PERSONS AND THEIR PROPERTY FROM AN UNKNOWN MASKED MAN AT THEIR DOOR WITH A GUN. THIS KIND OF ESCALATION IS NOT IN THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC SAFETY OR THE SAFETY OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS. ICE AGENTS ARE NOT A VULNERABLE MINORITY. THEY HAVE THE FULL WEIGHT AND POWER OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BEHIND THEM. IF THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT BEING IDENTIFIED, THEN I WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO BRAVELY STAND WITHOUT MASKS BEHIND A CAUSE THAT THEY CLAIM IS SO RIGHTEOUS. JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER POLICE OFFICER THAT WALKS A BEAT TODAY. A IF YOU DON'T WANT DALLAS TO TURN INTO THE NEXT MINNEAPOLIS, THEN LET'S GET AHEAD OF THIS PROBLEM AND INSTITUTE THE ABOVE REQUIREMENTS ACROSS THE BOARD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU MR. HARRISON. APPRECIATE THAT. I'D NOW LIKE TO CALL SAM WILLIAMS. UH, AND FOLLOWING SAM WILL BE LIZ MENDOZA. MR. WILLIAMS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. UH, JUST LIKE WE TELL EVERYONE ELSE, MAKE SURE THAT MICROPHONE'S TURNED ON AND TEST WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. HELLO, MY NAME IS SAM WILLIAMS. I LIVE IN DISTRICT NINE AND HERE TO SPEAK IN SOLIDARITY WITH MY COMMUNITY IN DALLAS. THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT RESIDENTS HAVE COME TO THIS BOARD, URGING IT TO SUGGEST POLICY TO COUNCIL IN RELATION TO THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT AND IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT. AS EARLY AS AUGUST OF LAST YEAR AFTER THIS BOARD DID NOT RECEIVE ANY CLARITY ON POLICE CHIEF CUOMO AND DPDS POSITION RELATED TO ICE COMMUNITY MEMBERS CAME TO SPEAK ON THEIR CONCERNS REGARDING THE SAME. IN OCTOBER, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY CAME TO SPEAK AGAIN ON THIS MATTER, SHOWING A DOCUMENTED CASE OF AN ICE ARREST WHERE THEY IDENTIFIED AS POLICE TO A WITNESS. AGAIN, DALLAS COMMUNITY MEMBERS URGED THIS BOARD AND THE CITY TO CLARIFY HOW AND WHEN DPD WOULD BE PROVIDING SUPPORT FOR THESE UNCONSTITUTIONAL ARRESTS. IN THAT SAME MEETING, POLICE CHIEF CUOMO CONFIRMED THAT DPD WILL RECEIVE AND COMPLY WITH ICE R ARRESTS IN JANUARY REPORTING SUGGESTS REPORTING SUGGESTIONS WERE PROVIDED TO DALLAS POLICE. CHIEF CUOMO TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS ENGAGE ON THIS MATTER. THIS WAS A BARE MINIMUM REQUEST WHEN AND WHERE ICE IS ASKING FOR DPD SUPPORT. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS BOARD EXPERIENCED THE SAME STONEWALLING THAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS FOR THE PAST SIX MONTHS. A FLAT NO FROM THE CHIEF, WITH NO FURTHER ELABORATION OTHER THAN ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS. FRANKLY, IF THE ONGOING INVESTIGATION DPD IS ASSISTING WITH IS THE PERPETUAL TRACKING AND TARGETING OF RESIDENTS ACROSS THE CITY, THAT MUST END TONIGHT. AS THIS TIMELINE SUGGESTS, RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN PATIENT AND PROVIDED EVIDENCE SUPPORTING THE CONSISTENT REQUEST FOR TRANSPARENCY AND REPORTING. TONIGHT, MEMBERS OF YOUR DISTRICTS AND COMMUNITY COME BEFORE YOU TO REQUEST THAT THIS BOARD STAND WITH ITS CONSTITUENTS AND FORMALLY RECOMMEND THAT COUNSEL INSTATE TRANSPARENT AND REPORTING MECHANISMS BETWEEN DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FEDERAL IMMIGRATION AGENCIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. MR. WILLIAMS. [00:15:01] LIZ MENDOZA. IS THERE A LIZ MENDOZA HERE. COME BACK. HOW ABOUT KAREN MUNCIE? COME BACK. OH, SHE'S VIRTUAL. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UH, KAREN, ARE YOU ONLINE? CAN YOU HEAR US? DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ONLINE, UH, NAMED KAREN? NO ONE. OKAY. WE'LL COME BACK TO HER. UM, A RASH. AL. MR. FAROL, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. APPRECIATE IT. YEAH, COME ON DOWN. YES, PLEASE. UH, GO AHEAD AND SIT DOWN, MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE'S TURNED ON. AND, UH, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY TO START, WE WILL BEGIN THAT TWO MINUTE TIMER. BUT WE APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENCE HERE. THE FLOOR'S YOURS. THANK YOU, CHAIR. UM, MY NAME'S AISH FAR. I'M IN DISTRICT ONE OAK CLIFF. UM, I DON'T WANNA BELABOR THE POINT THAT SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE FROM IMMIGRANT RIGHTS GROUPS HERE ARE MAKING TODAY. I THINK THEY'RE MORE EDUCATED ON THIS THAN I AM. BUT I WILL SAY THAT I SUPPORT THIS BODY, I SUPPORT THIS BOARD. I THINK THIS BOARD NEEDS MORE POWER AND MORE AUTHORITY TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS AND RESIDENTS OF THE CITY. AND I SUPPORT YOU IN THAT. AND OUR COUNCIL NEEDS TO PROVIDE YOU GUYS WITH MORE TOOLS BECAUSE WE ARE STARING DOWN THE, THE BARREL OF FASCISM IN THIS COUNTRY. AND THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU BEAT FASCISM IS WITH STRONG, STRONG INSTITUTIONAL GUARDRAILS, STRONG CIVIC SOCIETY, AND A STRONG CIVILIAN LEADERSHIP. AND, UM, IF OUR POLITICAL LEADERSHIP IS TOO COWARDLY TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS, THEN THEY'RE NOT FIT TO LEAD. AND I'LL SAY ONE MORE THING. I'M A A UNION MEMBER, A PROUD UNION MEMBER. AND FASCISM WAS AN IDEOLOGY CREATED TO CRUSH WORKERS, TO TURN PEOPLE AGAINST EACH OTHER WITH BLOOD AND SOIL IDEOLOGY SO THE WEALTHY CAN RULE AND DIVIDE AND CONQUER. SO I HAVE A PERSONAL STAKE IN THIS, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT I FEAR BEING DEPORTED, I'M A CITIZEN, BUT THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO MATTER SO MUCH THESE DAYS. SO WE WILL BE SCRUTINIZING THIS COUNCIL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE A VICTOR MACIAS, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENCE. TAKE A SEAT, TURN THE MICROPHONE ON, AND, UH, YEAH, YOUR TIMER WILL BEGIN WHEN YOU'RE READY. HELLO, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, HELLO EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS VICTOR MACIAS. UH, I'M DISTRICT EIGHT, AND I AM HERE TO SPEAK ON THE SAME ISSUES THAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS HERE TO SPEAK ON IS I AM CALLING FOR TRANSPARENCY BETWEEN THIS COUNCIL AND THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, ABOUT LIKE WHAT EXACTLY ICE IS DOING WITH DPD, HOW DPD IS EITHER WORKING WITH OR NOT WORKING WITH. BUT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THEY ARE WORKING WITH, UH, ICE AGENTS. WE DEMAND FOR THEM TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, RIGHT? EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SAID, UM, THEIR, THEIR WORRIES, WHY IDENTIFICATION MATTERS. UH, BUT FIRST AND FOREMOST, BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE ALL OF THE STUDENTS IN HIGH SCHOOLS WHO WALKED OUT AGAINST ICE TODAY. UH, IF YOU HAVE NOT READ THOSE, UM, THOSE NEWS, UH, THOUSANDS OF STUDENTS WALKED OUT FROM TOWN VIEW TO MOUNTAIN VIEW TO TW WHITE. UM, SO A BIG SHOUT OUT TO THEM. SADLY, THEY CAN'T BE HERE TO SPEAK ON, ON THEIR CONCERNS, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE IF THEY COULD HAVE THE, THE ABILITY THEY WOULD BE HERE TO EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THESE ISSUES. SO, GOING BACK TO WHAT I JUST SAID, WHY IDENTIFICATION MATTERS, RIGHT? IT PREVENTS MISIDENTIFICATION AND ESCALATION, PROTECTS RESIDENTS FROM HARM, PROTECTS OFFICERS FROM DANGEROUS ENCOUNTERS, AND REDUCES CITY LIABILITY. AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN, UM, WHEN, UH, WHEN THE CITIZEN SUES THE CITY BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT, UH, FOLLOWING, UH, PROTOCOLS. IT, [00:20:01] IT, IT ENDS UP THE TAXPAYERS PAYING FOR, FOR, FOR THAT DISMISSAL IN, IN, IN THE COURTS. SO WE'RE ASKING TO, TO PREVENT THESE THINGS FROM HAPPENING, RIGHT? BE MORE REACTIVE THAN, THAN THAN REACTIONARY, UM, UH, PROTOCOLS IN PLACE. UM, AND WE'VE HAD, UM, IMPERSONATIONS OF FEDERAL ICE AGENTS ALREADY COME TO LIGHT. WE KNOW THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE COMING OUT OF BIGOTRY AND HATRED. JUST PLEASE PROTECT OUR CITIES AND OUR COMMUNITIES. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. HEY, THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. MACIA FOR BEING HERE. APPRECIATE IT. DOLORES PHILLIPS. IS DOLORES PHILLIPS HERE? IT IS BEEN A WHILE. SO WE'VE SEEN DOLORES. YEAH. IS THERE A DOLORES PHILLIPS ONLINE? ZHA HAVIS ZHA. IS ANYBODY HERE? COME BACK. JODY JOHNSON. AND FOLLOWING JODY JOHNSON WILL BE NOAH LEE ESTRADA. MS. JOHNSON, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. UH, THANK YOU. I'M JODY JOHNSON FROM DISTRICT 12. I'M ALSO PRACTICING ATTORNEY IN DALLAS. I JUST GOT BACK FROM SPENDING A WEEK IN MINNEAPOLIS, AND I JUST WANNA REPORT THAT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO DEESCALATION THERE. DESPITE WHAT WE HEAR. ICE IS BEING ALLOWED TO OPERATE AS SECRET POLICE. THEY ARE GOING AFTER EVERYONE WHO'S BROWN AND BLACK, REGARDLESS OF THEIR LEGAL STATUS. THEY ARE GOING AFTER, AFTER WHITE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING TO THE AID. AND IF, AND WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE IS GOING TO SPREAD ACROSS, ACROSS THIS COUNTRY. AND I WANT OUR CITY TO GET AHEAD OF WHAT IS HAPPENING. I WANT YOU TO REQUIRE THAT, UM, AGENTS HAVE TO, UM, DISPLAY CLEAR IDS, HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO, UM, CITIZENS WHEN THEY ASK. THEY SHOULD HAVE TO GIVE IT TO OUR POLICE OFFICERS WHEN THEY ASK. I'M ASKING THAT YOU, UM, REQUIRE THAT THEY NOT BE ALLOWED TO WEAR MASKS. OUR POLICE OFFICERS DON'T WEAR MASKS FOR GOOD REASON. I MEAN, NONE OF OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS WEAR MASKS. UM, THIS IS THE UNITED STATES. IT'S NOT CHINA OR OR RUSSIA. IT PUTS ALL OF US, UM, IN, IN A DANGEROUS SITUATION. IT PUTS OUR OFFICERS IN A DANGEROUS SITUATION. UM, THE, THERE'S A HUGE EROSION OF TRUST THAT'S HAPPENING IN MINNESOTA BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN THE POLICE. AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE POLICE, IT'S BECAUSE OF WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS, IS DOING THERE. AND I DON'T WANNA SEE THAT HAPPEN HERE. UM, I HOPE THAT YOU WILL REQUIRE SIGN SIGNED JUDICIAL WARRANTS BEFORE THEY CAN ENTER PRIVATE SPACES. UM, AND I JUST ASK YOU TO PLEASE REMEMBER THAT YOU REPRESENT THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS AND, UM, ASK YOU TO, UH, PROTECT US. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. JOHNSON. I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENCE HERE. NOAH LEE ESTRADA, THANK YOU FOR COMING. MR. ESTRADA. UH, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. UH, WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE'S TURNED ON AND, UH, WE'LL START THE TIMER WHENEVER YOU START, BUT YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS NOLI ESTRADA AND I AM HERE FROM DISTRICT 11. I'M HERE AS A CONCERNED RESIDENT OF DALLAS. TO BE HONEST, I'M CONCERNED FOR THE COMMUNITIES WHO ARE UNAWARE OF WHAT DPD IS TRYING TO GET AWAY WITH. UM, SO A LOT OF THEM DON'T KNOW THAT YOU GUYS AREN'T REALLY REQUESTING THESE, THESE MEETINGS ARE MOSTLY HELD IN ENGLISH, SO THEY'RE NOT REALLY TRANSLATED. A LOT OF THE COMMUNITIES DON'T KNOW THAT THESE EVEN POLICE SIDE BOARDS ARE EVEN HAPPENING. SO THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE AGENDAS. YOU GUYS DON'T DO THE EFFORTS TO REACH THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE ACTUALLY BEING HI, LIKE AFFECTED BY THIS RIGHT NOW. SO I'M DEMANDING FOR ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE SAKE OF DPDS REPUTATION OF THE CITY OF DALLAS. AND I THINK THAT THE CONSEQUENCES OF ALLOWING THIS TO CONTINUE ARE FAR DIRE THAN THE FINANCIAL BURDEN THAT THIS CITY WILL GO THROUGH IF WE DON'T IMPLEMENT CHANGES TODAY. UNLIKE ALL OF YOU, I AM OUT IN THE COMMUNITIES. I AM TALKING TO THE FAMILIES WHO ARE BEING AFFECTED TODAY, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ANYMORE. ONE THING MS. BRIDGE IS, UH, MOST, MOST TIME IT'S A PROBLEM PEOPLE IS TALKING TO QUIETLY. I THINK WE CAN SOME NOISE ONLINE ABOUT SOUNDS WITH THE MIC, BUT WE'LL GIVE YOU MORE TIME, BUT CONTINUE. NO WORRIES. [00:25:01] UM, SO I THINK, UH, A LOT OF THEM HAVE SAID THEY DON'T EVEN WANT TO GO TO SCHOOL. LIKE THEY DON'T WANNA TAKE THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL. UM, I'M HERE TO DEMAND AND TO PLEASE REQUEST THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S WALKING IN THESE STREETS. I CAN GO AROUND AND SAYING, I'M ICE. YOU KNOW, MY NEIGHBOR CAN GO AROUND SAYING THAT THEY'RE ICE. AND IF WE DON'T ASK FOR APPROPRIATE IDENTIFICATION, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THAT THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE, IT IS SO CONCERNING. I'M GONNA KEEP DOING THIS COMMUNITY OUTREACH. I'M GONNA KEEP REACHING OUT TO THESE FAMILIES, AND I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ANY OF YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO. SO I DEMAND THAT. PLEASE, DPD CONSIDER OR TAKE SERIOUSLY ANY CALLS OR ANY DEMANDS FOR CLARITY IN THE COMMUNITIES. THANK YOU. SINCE I, YOU CAN HAVE A FEW MORE MINUTES IF YOU NEED TO. 'CAUSE I INTERRUPTED YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. THDA FOR BEING HERE. APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS. ANTHONY BRIDGES AND, UH, FOLLOWING ANTHONY BRIDGES, WE HAVE OCTAVIO RODRIGUEZ. MR. BRIDGES, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. YOU HAVE THERE SEAT RIGHT THERE IN THE CENTER. UH, THAT'LL WORK. THAT'S FINE. AND JUST MAKE SURE THE MIC'S TURNED ON AND, UH, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, THE THE TIMER WILL BEGIN. BUT THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. MY NAME IS ANTHONY BRIDGES FROM DISTRICT NINE. AND, UM, I JUST WANT TO SEE SOME, SOME ATTEMPT OF AT ACCOUNTABILITY. WE KIND OF PRETTY WELL ESTABLISHED. I FEEL LIKE AT THIS POINT, ICE IS REALLY PRETTY LAWLESS. THEY'RE NOT DOING A GOOD JOB OF RESPECTING OUR AMENDMENT RIGHTS. WE'RE SEEING THESE SORTS OF ILLEGAL SEARCHES AND SEIZURES AS A PRETTY REGULAR BASIS THING. WE KNOW THAT THEY NEED JUDICIAL WARRANTS. THEY DON'T HAVE JUDICIAL WARRANTS. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LIE TO THE PUBLIC ALL YOU WANT TO, BUT EVERYBODY HERE, WE ARE COMMUNITY ADVOCATES. WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ARE NOT BEING RESPECTED, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT. AND SO IT KIND OF COMES DOWN. EVENTUALLY, WE REACH A POINT WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO SERVE AND PROTECT THE COMMUNITY OF DALLAS OR NOT? ARE YOU GOING TO ALLOW OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS TO BE INFRINGED ON OR NOT? THAT'S THE LONG AND SHORT OF, I HAVE TO SAY. BUT WE NEED THE DALLAS POLICE TO MAKE SURE THAT ICE AT BARE MINIMUM IS JUST, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING THE LAW. WHENEVER THEY GO THROUGH AND DO ALL THIS STUFF. WE CAN'T. WE'VE SEEN VIDEOS, WE KNOW WE'VE, PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY HAVE SEEN THEM TAKE PEOPLE IN FRONT OF DPD VIOLATE THEIR RIGHTS AND NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE ABOUT IT. AND THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE. AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE HAPPY ABOUT IT UNTIL YOU EITHER START WORKING WITH US OR CONTINUE TO BE A BASTION OF THE POWERS THAT BE, THAT ARE OPPRESSING THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY AND THIS CITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. BRIDGES FOR BEING HERE. OCTAVIA RODRIGUEZ. THANK YOU, MR. RODRIGUEZ. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL WILL BE TRY TO FIND THAT HAPPY MEDIUM BETWEEN BEING TOO QUIET AND, AND, UH, HELP HURTING THE EARS OF THOSE ONLINE. SO FIND THAT HAPPY MEDIUM WHEN YOU SPEAK ON THAT MICROPHONE. IF, IF HELPFUL, IT'D BE HELPFUL FOR US. I'LL DO MY BEST. BUT HEY, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. UH, YOUR TIME WILL BEGIN WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. OKAY. UH, READY NOW? UM, I DON'T BELIEVE YOUR MICROPHONE'S TURNED ON. UH OH. YEAH. YEAH. THANK YOU. DO MY BEST. IS IT ON AGAIN? DO YOU GUYS HEAR ON MIDDLE SEAT? HELLO? MIDDLE SEAT. MIDDLE SEAT. OKAY. YEAH. SWITCH THAT. UH, WE WON. HEAR YOU. HELLO. HEAR ME NOW. OKAY. UH, I'LL DO MY BEST. UM, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL. SO FORGIVE ME IF I'M STUMBLING ACROSS MY WORDS. I, UH, I GREW UP IN CARROLLTON, TEXAS. WE MOVED THERE WHEN I WAS A YEAR OLD, AFTER I WAS BORN IN MEXICO. UM, I'VE HAD PEOPLE ASK ME IF, IF I'M AFRAID, UH, AND I SAY RIGHT NOW I'M NOT. UH, BUT I SAY THAT BECAUSE I HAVE SOME PRIVILEGE. I'M NOT THE DARKEST MEXICAN YOU'VE EVER MET. I DON'T HAVE A THICK ACCENT, BUT I, MY MOTHER DOES HAVE A VERY THICK ACCENT. SHE HELPS TAKE CARE OF MY, MY 2-YEAR-OLD SON. UM, SO I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T START DOING SOMETHING TO SPEAK UP AND, UH, SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE SITUATION. I, YOU KNOW, UH, I'VE LIVED IN MY CURRENT HOME IN DALLAS SINCE 2007. I'VE HAD, UH, TWO BREAK-INS IN MY TOOL SHED. AND I'VE HAD, UH, TWO SPEEDING TICKETS. THAT'S BEEN MY INTERACTION WITH DALLAS POLICE. THEY'VE BEEN CORDIAL, UH, THEY'VE BEEN RESPECTFUL, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT CONTINUE. UM, SO I ASK, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW DAN CUOMO AS WELL AS I SHOULD AS A DALLAS CITIZEN, BUT HE SEEMS TO BE A REASONABLE PERSON. UH, HOWEVER, WHEN I HEAR HIM MAKE A STATEMENT LIKE, UH, KEEPING, UH, THE COOPERATION BETWEEN THEM AND THE ICE, UM, UNDER WRAPS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXACT TERM WAS, BUT THAT'S CONCERNING TO ME BECAUSE, UH, HE MADE THE STATEMENT THAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND [00:30:01] WE SHOULD BE ACTING IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS. UM, THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE. AND I YIELD MY YIELD MY TIME. THANK YOU MR. RODRIGUEZ FOR BEING HERE. APPRECIATE THAT. JOHN SSON SCORES. I APOLOGIZE. OKAY. I APOLOGIZE. I HAVE IT WRITTEN HERE. I WANT TO GET THE VOLUME RIGHT SO YOU GIMME JUST A MOMENT TO MAKE SURE I DON'T BLOW YOUR DRUMS OUT. OF COURSE. HOW'S THAT? GOOD VOLUME. THANK YOU FOR CHICKEN. APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH. DO I GET A BROY HILL KITCHEN SET FOR GETTING IT RIGHT? . ALRIGHT. I GIVE YOU A FEW MORE SECONDS FOR THAT. THAT'S GOOD. WELL, WELCOME. HAPPY YOU'RE HERE. YOUR TIME WILL BEGIN. WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. I'M READY TO GO. I TOO AM A PRACTICING LAWYER IN DALLAS. I'M ADMITTED IN EVERY COURT IN THE STATE AND THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES, AND I'VE NEVER BEEN MORE ASHAMED TO ADMIT THOSE THINGS. I LOVE THE LAW. I LOVE THIS CITY. THOSE GENTLEMEN AND LADIES, THEY PROTECT US. AND THEY'RE IN AN IMPOSSIBLE POSITION, JUST LIKE EACH OF US ARE IN AN IMPOSSIBLE POSITION. ICE IS TELLING THEM WHAT TO DO, AND THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO ENFORCE THE LAW. AND THAT'S THE POSITION THEY'RE PUT IN. WE HAVE A FOURTH AMENDMENT, HOWEVER PESKY IT MIGHT BE TO CERTAIN POLITICIANS. IT'S THERE FOR A REASON, AND IT'S A GUIDEPOST AND IT'S A, IT'S A LIGHT TO WHICH, AND A BEACON TO WHICH WE ALL SHOULD ANSWER. TWO THIRDS OF OUR CITY COUNCIL, TWO THIRDS OF THE PEOPLE SITTING HERE TODAY, BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF THE SKIN, OR THE LAST SYLLABLES OF THEIR NAMES, WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM IN MINNEAPOLIS AND OTHER CITIES FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN THAT. IT IS AN INTOLERABLE CONTRADICTION BETWEEN OUR CONSTITUTION AND WHAT'S GOING ON. WE NEED AN IDENTIFICATION OF ICE. WE NEED MASSLESS OFFICERS. THESE GENTLEMEN AND LADIES WHO WORRY ABOUT THEIR OWN SAFETY AND THEIR OWN FAMILY'S SAFETY, NEED TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHO'S ON THE STREETS WITH THEM, WHO HAS THEIR BACKS AND WHOSE BACKS THEY HAVE. THEY'RE IN A CATCH 22. AND EACH OF US IS IN A CATCH 22. AND IT SHOULDN'T BE THIS WAY. WHO, WHAT, WHERE, WHY? THE WHO? ICE. WHAT ARE THEY DOING HERE TELLING US WHAT TO DO? THIS IS DALLAS. WE'RE LOOKING OUT FOR DALLAS CITIZENS AND DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS. WHY? BECAUSE MASK PEOPLE CREATE FEAR AND THEY CREATE UNCERTAINTY AND PANIC WHEN ALWAYS, IT SHOULD ALWAYS BE THAT WAY. WHY? 'CAUSE THE CONSTITUTION REQUIRES IT, AND WE'RE ALL BOUND BY IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. DO WE HAVE A LAUREN MILLER ONLINE? MS. MILLER, CAN YOU HEAR US? MS. MILLER? WE'LL GO BACK TO COME BACK TO HER IN A FEW. DAS EK, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. MS. EK. HI. OH, IS THIS MS. MILLER? UH, EK THIS IS MS. MILLER. SORRY. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? WE CAN, WE'LL, WE WILL GET BACK TO YOU. UH, WE'LL, WE'LL GET WAIT TO YOU NEXT. WE JUST CALLED THE NEXT SPEAKER UP, AND SO AFTER SHE'S DONE, WE WILL, UH, GIVE YOU THE FLOOR. SO I THANK YOU. YOU PATIENCE. UH, MS. EK, UH, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. UH, THE TIME WILL START. MY NAME IS EK. I'M A DALLAS CITY RESIDENT. THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 6TH, 2025. A BC SEVEN REPORTED THAT THE FBI IS WARNING ABOUT PEOPLE IMPERSONATING ICE AGENTS TO COMMIT VIOLENT CRIMES IN A BULLETIN. THE BUREAU CITES SEVERAL EXAMPLES IN WHICH CRIMINALS HAVE TARGETED VICTIMS WHILE IDENTIFYING THEMSELVES AS IMMIGRATION AGENTS AND WEARING SHIRTS OR JACKETS WITH THE ICE LABEL. THERE HAVE BEEN REPORTS OF THREATS, ROBBERIES, KIDNAPPINGS, AND SEXUAL ASSAULTS. DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE IN ICE ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, CRIMINAL ACTORS ARE USING ICE'S ENHANCED PUBLIC PROFILE MEDIA COVERAGE TO THEIR ADVANTAGE TO TARGET VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES, SAID THE FBI. IF THE FBI ITSELF HAS OMITTED TO THE LACK OF IDENTIFICATION ON ISIS PART IS CAUSING A RISE IN CRIME IN PEOPLE AND IMPERSONATING FEDERAL OFFICERS, HOW ON EARTH IS THE AVERAGE CITIZEN OF DALLAS TO TELL THEM APART? HOW IS THE AVERAGE CITIZEN OF DALLAS, UH, SUPPOSED TO FEEL COMFORTABLE AND SAFE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES? IT DOESN'T TAKE SOMEONE WHO CAN PREDICT THE FUTURE TO SEE HOW ICE NOT IDENTIFYING THEMSELVES TO THE PUBLIC UNTIL LOCAL AUTHORITIES WILL GO. COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE ASKED TO TRUST A RANDOM STRANGER, AND IF THEY DON'T, THEY'RE MET WITH ICE'S BRUTALITY AND AGGRESSIVE POLICIES. OR SOMEONE IMPERSONATING FELLOW OF A FEDERAL [00:35:01] OFFICER WHO CAN DO, WHO KNOWS WHAT. IT IS MY REQUEST THAT THE POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD SIGN ON TO THE REQUEST AND STATEMENT BY ELMO MEMENTO AND OTHER IMMIGRATION RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS TO SHOW THEIR COMMITMENT TO THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS BECAUSE IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE SOMEONE IS HARMED OR KILLED, OR WORSE. THIS COUNCIL MUST TAKE ACTION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU MS. EK. APPRECIATE THAT. IS THERE A CATHERINE GR KODA HERE SAID YOU WERE GONNA GO BACK. OH, I A REMINDER, THANK YOU, MS. MILLER. I APOLOGIZE. UH, MS. MILLER, CAN YOU HEAR US? I CAN. YES. IT'S FINE. OKAY. YEAH. WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. THE FLOOR IS YOURS. WE CAN HEAR YOU HERE AT CITY HALL. AND, UH, WHENEVER YOU BEGIN, THE CAMERA WILL START. THE FLOOR IS YOURS. KNOCK, KNOCK WHO'S THERE IS THE USUAL RESPONSE, WHO'S THERE? AND A MASKED MAN WITH NO VISIBLE IDENTIFICATION, WITH A UNIFORM THAT COULD BE PURCHASED ONLINE, WHO IS DEMANDING ENTRANCE TO YOUR HOME, SCHOOL, OR HOSPITAL ROOM. YOU NAME IT WITH A PIECE OF PAPER THAT CAN BE SIGNED BY ANYONE. DO YOU WANNA LET HIM IN? DOES ANYONE, Y'ALL, IF THIS SOUNDS LIKE A SIXTH JOKE, IT'S BECAUSE IT IS ONE. MY NAME IS LAUREN MILLER AND I'M CALLING ON THE CITY AND DALLAS POLICE TO WORK TOGETHER TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE. DALLASITE DESERVE TO KNOW WHO IS EXERCISING AUTHORITY IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS, WHAT AGENCY THEY REPRESENT, WHETHER JUDICIAL OVERSIGHT EXISTS, AND WHEN AND HOW DPD IS INVOLVED. IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE HAVE TRUST BETWEEN THE LOCAL POLICE AND OUR COMMUNITIES. IT'S VERY SIMPLE WHAT WE NEED. WE NEED VERIFIABLE IDENTIFICATION. AND THE CITY SHOULD BE ABLE TO VERIFY THIS OF ANYBODY WHO IS WORKING WITHIN THEIR BOUNDS, MONTHLY PUBLIC REPORTING, SO THAT WE HAVE TRANSPARENCY AND JUDICIAL WARRANTS FOR NON-PUBLIC FACILITIES. AS A-D-I-S-D MOM, I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT I DO NOT WANT MASKED AGENTS SHOWING UP AT MY SON'S SCHOOL AND TERRORIZING HIS CLASSMATES. I HOPE THAT WE CAN COME TOGETHER AND RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS A PROBLEM, SO THAT WE WON'T BE LIVING IN THE REALITY OF MY COWORKERS AND FRIENDS IN MINNEAPOLIS WHO ARE HAVING TO COME TOGETHER WITH LITTLE OLD CHURCH LADIES DOING NEIGHBORHOOD PATROLS IN ORDER TO PROTECT THEIR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND I HOPE THAT YOU'LL CONSIDER THESE REQUESTS. THANK YOU. MS. MILLER. IS THERE A CATHERINE GR KODA HERE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, TAKE A SEAT, TURN THE MICROPHONE ON, AND, UH, THE FLOOR WILL BE YOURS. WE'LL START THE TIMER WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KAT GRINER KODA AND I WAS THE ORGANIZER OF THE BOOKER T WASHINGTON HIGH SCHOOL FOR THE PERFORMING AND VISUAL ARTS WALKOUT TODAY AGAINST ICE BRUTALITY. WE HAD PLANNED TO HAVE MUSIC AND PERFORMANCES TO SHOWCASE WHAT OUR SCHOOL IS ABOUT, BUT BEFORE WE GOT THERE, OUR VOLUNTEER, CHRIS KOTTER, WHO WAS VERY GENEROUSLY HELPING TO SET UP THE AUDIO SYSTEM, WAS HARASSED, BERATED, HANDCUFFED, AND REQUIRED TO TAKE AWAY ALL OF THE AUDIO EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD'VE LET US HAVE MUSIC, DANCING, AND PERFORMANCES. CLYDE WARREN IS A CITY PARK, AND THERE WAS NO REASON TO REMOVE HIM AND DISRUPT OUR FIRST AMENDMENT ACTIVITY. I SPEAK ON, ON BEHALF OF ALL STUDENTS OF BOOKER T WASHINGTON HIGH SCHOOL FOR THE PERFORMING AND VISUAL ARTS. WHEN I SAY THAT DALLAS POLICE OVERSTEPPED THEIR AUTHORITY AND THAT WE STAND WITH CHRIS KOTTER, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE POLICE WHO FOLLOWED THE RULES AND HELPED US STAY SAFE DURING THIS PROTEST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. KAT, I WANNA ENCOURAGE YOU TOO, IF YOU, UH, FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO MAKE AN OFFICIAL COMPLAINT, UH, BASED ON WHAT YOU SAW, TO PLEASE DO SO. THANK YOU, PAMELA. IS THERE A PAMELA COLLINS? THANK YOU, MS. COLLINS. AND AFTER PAMELA COLLINS, WE'LL HAVE KATIE JENKINS, AND THEN AFTER KATIE JENKINS, WE'LL GO BACK THROUGH MAYBE THOSE THAT, UH, WE'RE NOT HERE THE FIRST TIME. WE'LL GIVE A A SECOND CHANCE. THANK YOU, MS. COLLINS. UH, PLEASE TAKE A SEAT. UM, MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE'S TURNED ON AND YOUR TIMER WILL BEGIN. WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. THE FLOOR IS YOURS. I CAN'T HEAR YOU. YEAH, AND I TURNED IT. THERE WE GO. OKAY. WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW. . HELLO, MY NAME IS PAMELA COLLINS, [00:40:01] AND I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF DALLAS FOR LESS THAN SIX MONTHS. I LIVE ON ALASKA AVENUE IN DISTRICT FOUR, LIKE MANY OTHERS. I'M HERE BECAUSE DALLAS CURRENTLY LACKS CLEAR, ENFORCEABLE POLICIES GOVERNING HOW ICE AGENTS IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AND INTERACT WITH DALLAS POLICE WHEN INDIVIDUALS ARE ALLOWED TO ASSERT LAW ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY. WITHOUT VERIFICATION, TRUST BETWEEN RESIDENTS AND POLICE BREAKDOWN AND EVERYONE'S SAFETY IS PUT AT RISK. CLEAR IDENTIFICATION STANDARDS, PROTECT RESIDENTS FROM HARM, PROTECT OFFICERS FROM DANGEROUS ENCOUNTERS, AND REDUCE THE CITY'S LIABILITY. IN ADDITION, OUR COMMUNITIES ARE SAFER WHEN AUTHORITY IS CLEARLY VERIFIED. FURTHERMORE, VERIFICATION MUST INCLUDE JUDICIAL WARRANTS BECAUSE WITHOUT THAT JUDICIAL OVERSIGHT IS UNDERMINED, CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTIONS ARE WEAKENED, AND DPD AND THE CITY ARE EXPOSED TO LEGAL RISK. DALLAS CITY RESIDENTS DESERVE CLARITY ON WHO IS EXERCISING AUTHORITY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, WHAT AGENCY THEY REPRESENT, WHETHER JUDICIAL OVERSIGHT EXISTS, AND WHEN, AND HOW DPD IS INVOLVED. THIS IS TRANS, THIS IS ABOUT TRANSPARENCY, NOT OBSTRUCTION. WITH THAT IN MIND, WE ARE ASKING THAT THE CITY REQUIRE THAT ANYONE ASSERTING LAW ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY VISIBLY DISPLAY THEIR IDENTIFICATION, AND THAT UNIFORMS VEST ALONE ARE NOT TO BE TREATED AS PROOF OF AUTHORITY. IN ADDITION, DALLAS SHOULD REQUIRE MONTHLY REPORTING ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU BY EL MUTO. FINALLY, ENTRY INTO NON-PUBLIC AREAS OF CINDY FUNDED FACILITIES SHOULD REQUIRE JUDICIAL WARRANT. IN CLOSING, I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT I WAS RAISED BY A FORMER POLICE OFFICER, AND I BELIEVE IN TRUSTING OUR POLICE OFFICERS BECAUSE THEY'RE HERE TO SERVE US. BUT IF THE CITY CONTINUES TO ALLOW FEDERAL AGENTS TO EXERCISE AUTHORITY WITHOUT GUIDELINES, NONE OF US ARE SAFE. IT IS MY REQUEST THAT THE CPOB SIGN ON TO MY STATEMENT, THE REQUEST OF EL MUTO AND OTHERS HERE TODAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MS. COLLINS. APPRECIATE IT. WE WILL, UH, JUST GO, UH, TO DOUBLE CHECK. MAKE SURE THAT THOSE, UM, OH, YES, MS. JENKINS, UH, COME ON DOWN. AND AFTER MS. JENKINS, UH, WE'LL GO THROUGH ONE MORE TIME. THOSE THAT WERE NOT HERE THE FIRST TIME, WE'LL JUST MAKE SURE IF THEY'VE COME, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, THE TIMER WILL START. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. ALL RIGHT. UM, THANK YOU. SO GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KATIE JENKINS, AND FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS I'VE WORKED AT A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT SERVES SURVIVORS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, HUMAN TRAFFICKING, SEXUAL ASSAULT, AND REFUGEES AS THEY REBUILD THEIR LIVES. SURVIVORS OFTEN COME TO MY ORGANIZATION HAVING ENDURED ABUSE AND EXPLOITATION FROM SOMEONE WHO CONTROLLED THEIR MOVEMENTS, FINANCES, DOCUMENTS, AND EVEN THEIR IMMIGRATION STATUS. ABUSERS AND TRAFFICKERS OFTEN CALL AND OR THREATEN TO CALL ICE OR POLICE AS A TACTIC OF CONTROL. IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT ENCOUNTERS ARE RE-TRAUMATIZING AND HARMFUL FOR SURVIVORS. WHEN ENFORCEMENT AGENTS APPROACH WHILE HIDING THEIR FACES, SHOUTING COMMANDS, AND USING EXCESSIVE FORCE, IT CAN MIRROR AND TRIGGER PAST TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCES OF ABUSE. AND SURVIVORS MAY INSTINCTIVELY FIGHT BACK OR RESIST, WHICH CAN LEAD TO MORE HARM OF THEM BEING DETAINED, ARRESTED, AND OR PHYSICALLY HARMED. WE HAVE ALSO SEEN ABUSERS, TRAFFICKERS AND AND OTHER INDIVIDUALS WHO FALSELY CLAIM TO BE LAW ENFORCEMENT TO FIND SURVIVORS. PEOPLE HAVE COME TO OUR OFFICE CALLED OUR HOTLINE, AND ATTEMPTED TO THREATEN OR INTIMIDATE STAFF INTO GIVING AWAY CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION ABOUT SURVIVORS IN THEIR LOCATION. WHEN ENFORCEMENT AGENTS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO CLEARLY IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, IT CREATES OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPERSONATION BY PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO HARM. PUTTING SURVIVORS IN SERVICE PROVIDERS LIKE MYSELF AND MY COWORKERS AT RISK. THIS HAS SERIOUS PUBLIC SAFETY IMPLICATIONS. WHEN SURVIVORS FEEL THEY CANNOT CALL THE POLICE, THEY'RE LESS LIKELY TO SEEK HELP. VIOLENCE GOES UNREPORTED AND ABUSERS AND TRAFFICKERS REMAIN FREE TO PERPETUATE HARM, WHICH IN TURN MAKES OUR WHOLE COMMUNITY LESS SAFE. CLEAR IDENTIFICATION IS A TRAUMA-INFORMED SAFEGUARD THAT BUILDS TRUST AND ACCOUNTABILITY. AT A MINIMUM, OFFICERS SHOULD PROVIDE VERBAL IDENTIFICATION, VISIBLE NAMES, OR BADGE NUMBERS, AND LIMIT FACE MASKS. MY ORGANIZATION WORKS CLOSELY WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OTHER TRUSTED LAW ENFORCEMENT PARTNERS WHO HAVE DEMONSTRATED THAT ACCOUNTABILITY AND COMPASSION STRENGTHEN PUBLIC SAFETY. WHEN OFFICERS ARE CLEARLY IDENTIFIED, SURVIVORS ARE MORE WILLING TO REPORT CRIMES, COOPERATE, TESTIFY, AND SEEK PROTECTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WHAT'S THE NAME OF YOUR NONPROFIT AGAIN? UM, MOSAIC FAMILY SERVICES. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, WANNA GO THROUGH, JUST TO MAKE SURE I DIDN'T MISS ANYBODY. UH, MICHAEL POLSKY IS THERE, MICHAEL POLSKY HERE. UM, WHAT ABOUT A LIZ MENDOZA? UH, WE HAD, UH, LIZ MENDOZA. IS IT IN PERSON? OH, YEAH. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, MS. MENDOZA. THANK YOU. SORRY I'M LATE. NO PROBLEM. [00:45:01] YEAH, PLEASE. UH, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, TURN THE MICROPHONE ON, MAKE SURE THAT GREEN LIGHT'S ON. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE CAN HEAR YOU. AND, UH, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, THE TIMER WILL START. AND WE JUST ASK THAT, UH, WHENEVER YOUR, UH, THE TIMER GOES OFF, FINISH YOUR THOUGHT AND, UH, BUT WE'RE HAPPY YOU'RE HERE. THE FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS LIZ MENDOZA AND I'M WITH SUNRISE DALLAS. I'M A RESIDENT OF IRVING, AND APOLOGIES FOR MY TARDINESS. UM, I'VE COME HERE TO SPEAK TODAY TO DEMAND DALLAS AND THE POWERS THAT BE TO IMPOSE CLEAR BOUNDARIES ON ICE AGENTS AND PUT UP GUARDRAILS SO THAT DPD WILL PROTECT THE RESIDENTS OF DALLAS. THEY HAVE SWORN TO SERVE. PEOPLE CANNOT FEEL SAFE IN A COMMUNITY WHERE MASKS STRANGERS DO NOT HAVE TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES OR PRESENT JUDICIAL WARRANTS AND CAN HARASS RESIDENTS WITHOUT ANY ACCOUNTABILITY OR CONSEQUENCE. WE DEMAND THAT DPD DO ITS JOB AND THAT DURING INTERACTIONS WITH ICE, THEY VERIFY THE IDENTITIES OF THE ICE AGENTS AND VERIFY WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE A JUDICIAL WARRANT. IN INSTANCES WHEN THEY CAN'T VERIFY EITHER OF THOSE THINGS, THEY NEED TO STEP IN AND DEESCALATE THE SITUATION AND PROTECT THE PEOPLE BEING TARGETED BY ICE AGENTS. WE HAVE A JUDICIAL SYSTEM IN PLACE, AND WE WOULD DO WELL TO ABIDE BY IT, INCLUDING, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND ICE AGENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MS. MENDOZA. IS THERE A KAREN MUNCIE ONLINE? OKAY. UM, ZHAN HAFI, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, SIR. WE APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENCE. THANK YOU. UH, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, MAKE SURE THAT THAT MICROPHONE'S TURNED ON AND THE TWO MINUTES WILL BEGIN. THANK YOU. YES. UH, GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. MY NAME IS HAW IFIS. I'M RUNNING FOR CONGRESS IN TEXAS'S 33RD CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, WHICH, AS YOU KNOW, COVERS MUCH OF THE CITY OF DALLAS. THE FIRST THING I WANNA POINT OUT IS THE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OVER HERE IN UNIFORM ARE HERE TO SERVE AND PROTECT US. THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM AND ICE AGENTS. THEY'RE WEARING UNIFORMS, THEY'RE WEARING IDS, AND WE CAN SEE THEIR FACES. I'M ASKING FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS TO CONTINUE TO DO WHAT THESE POLICE OFFICERS DO, WHICH IS TO SERVE AND PROTECT. WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR CITIZENS. AND ANYONE THAT MAY BE LIVING IN DALLAS, THAT'S NOT A CITIZEN FROM THE BRUTAL ABUSES OF ICE. AN ORGANIZATION THAT'S BUILT ON WHITE SUPREMACY. AN ORGANIZATION THAT HAS NO MASKS, NO BADGES, NO IDS IN UNMARKED CARS, TERRORIZING COMMUNITIES OF COLOR, COMMUNITIES THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE ME. WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM MY COMMUNITY THAT HAVE SUFFERED, BROTHER MAHA, BROTHER YAKU, BROTHER MARWAN, THAT HAVE BEEN KIDNAPPED BY ICE AND ARE SITTING IN ICE DETENTION CENTERS. I'M ASKING FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS AND THE GREAT POLICE THAT ARE HERE TO SERVE AND PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY. TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY. WE NEED TO HAVE DUE PROCESS. WE NEED TO HAVE PROPER, UH, SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE. WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH ICE ACROSS THE COUNTRY IS OUT OF CONTROL. WE CANNOT LET IT HAPPEN IN DALLAS. AND WE MUST TAKE PROACTIVE STEPS TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY. AS THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH DIRECTOR FOR DALLAS FORT WORTH REFUGEE OUTREACH SERVICES, I HAVE SEEN THE AFGHAN COMMUNITY COME UNDER ATTACK. IT IS NOTHING BUT RACIAL PROFILING BY INDIVIDUALS THAT HIDE BEHIND MASKS AND TERRORIZE OUR COMMUNITIES. SO I'M ASKING YOU, YOU ALREADY DID THE RIGHT THING WHEN YOU REJECTED 2 87 GI WAS HERE THAT DAY, AND YOU ALL DID A GREAT JOB, AND I WANNA APPLAUD YOU FOR THAT. BUT WE NEED TO DO THE SAME THING TODAY AND TAKE THE PROPER STEPS TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY. 'CAUSE THAT IS THE JOB OF THIS ORGANIZATION. YOUR JOB IS TO PROTECT EVERYONE IN DALLAS, EVERY INDIVIDUAL THAT LIVES IN DALLAS. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY'RE A CITIZEN OR NOT. LET'S GIVE DUE PROCESS. IF YOU'RE A CRIMINAL, GO THROUGH THE PROPER SYSTEM. LET'S APPLAUD THE ACTUAL PEOPLE THAT WEAR UNIFORMS AND ARE OUT THERE TO PROTECT US. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THAT'S . I BELIEVE I HAVE EVERYONE THAT I HAVE ON MY LIST. UH, FOR RIGHT NOW. IF, UH, IF YOU STILL, WE WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE HAS A VOICE, THERE WILL BE A TIME AFTER THE, THE FOLLOWING OR AFTER WE PASS THROUGH OUR AGENDA FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE END OF OUR MEETING. SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO STAY THROUGH OUR MEETING, UH, THERE WILL BE A TIME AT THE END FOR MORE PUBLIC COMMENT. SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO STAY THROUGH THE END, I KNOW JOHN PUTNAM'S STAYING. UM, BUT WE'LL ALSO, UH, HAVE A TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. BEFORE WE DO THAT THOUGH, I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION OF CLARIFICATION. UH, MR. ALVAREZ, UH, YOU, YOU WERE THE FIRST ONE TO SPEAK. UH, WILL YOU COME DOWN? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION REAL QUICK, UH, FOR YOU, UM, FOR A CLARIFICATION. I KNOW YOU MENTIONED, UH, A LETTER THAT YOU SENT TO US AS A BOARD, UH, A LETTER THAT HAS A LOT OF SIGNATURES ON IT, AND I THINK WE'RE JUST CURIOUS WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE FOR THIS LETTER, UH, MOVING FORWARD. AND, UH, JUST AS, AS WE WERE [00:50:01] SENT IT, WE READ IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PLANS ARE. SO GO AHEAD AND WANNA GIVE YOU THE FLOOR TO EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS. WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE BOARD FORMALLY SIGN ON TO THE STATEMENT AND JOIN US TOGETHER. DO YOU HAVE A PLANS TO, WHO, WHO ARE YOU SENDING THE LETTER TO AND WHAT'S THE TIMELINE? WE WOULD LOVE TO SEND THIS LETTERS TO ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS IN ORDER TO WORK TOGETHER IN BUILDING A LOCAL POLICY. UH, DO YOU HAVE A TIMELINE AT ALL THAT YOU'RE HOPING TO GET THIS SENT OUT? OR IS IT, UM, WITHIN TWO WEEKS. OKAY. OR EARLIER. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. I JUST WANTED TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND, UH, AND APPROVE THE, UM, THE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING, AND THEN MAYBE WE COULD, UH, SWITCH THE AGENDA AROUND A LITTLE BIT SO WE COULD, UH, TALK ABOUT THAT ISSUE, UH, SUSPEND THE RULES. BUT, UM, IF YOU COULD, THE BOARD MEMBERS AT THIS TIME, IF YOU COULD REVIEW THE MINUTES THAT ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR, YOUR BOARD PACKET, REVIEW THOSE, LOOK THOSE OVER, READ IT, READ THEM. AND, UM, IF THERE ARE NO CORRECTIONS, IF YOU FEEL LIKE THEY'RE, UH, WELL WRITTEN, I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THESE MINUTES FOR JANUARY. UH, 13TH, 2026. MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN. THERE'S BEEN A MOTION MADE TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN. IS IT? OR SECOND? SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE WE TAKE THIS TO A VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY, NAY MINUTES FROM THE JANUARY 13TH MEETING HAVE BEEN APPROVED. I DO THINK, UH, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LARGE QUANTITY OF OUR COMMUNITY HERE, IT WOULD BE IN A, IN THE BEST INTEREST FOR US TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION, UH, AS A BOARD RIGHT NOW, UM, ABOUT OUR RESPONSE, UH, TO, UH, A FOLLOW UP ON, ON, UH, CHIEF CUOMO'S RESPONSE. DO I HAVE, UH, A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES? JUDGE, UH, JUDGE LANDER DISTRICT DATE I MOVE TO SUSPEND THE RULES AND TO BRING SECTION EIGHT B UP NOW. BRANDON FRIEDMAN A SECOND. DISMISS SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. OKAY. I'LL OPPOSED, UH, SAY NAY. MOTION PASSES. UH, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND, UH, ADJUST BASED ON THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, AND MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM EIGHT B, WHICH IS A FOLLOW UP ON THE CHIEF CUOMO'S RESPONSE TO THE CHAIRMAN'S MEMORANDUM AT THE LAST MEETING AND DISCUSSION OF THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A ROUTINE MONTHLY AGENDA ITEM. UM, WE, WE DO NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS AS A BOARD. UM, 'CAUSE WE ALL KNOW WE DO HAVE LIMITATIONS, UM, FROM WHAT WE CAN DO AS A COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD WHEN IT COMES TO FEDERAL AGENTS. UH, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE DON'T HAVE A VOICE. AND SO I'D LOVE TO IN OPEN THIS UP TO THE BOARD AT THIS TIME, UH, FOR WISDOM. UM, A COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT, UM, WITHIN OUR PURVIEW IS WE DON'T OF COURSE HAVE ANY AUTHORITY OVER ANY FEDERAL AGENCIES IN THIS BOARD. UM, WE WORK SOLELY WHEN IT COMES TO DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND WE OVER, WE LOOK AT COMPLAINTS TO DALLAS POLICE ALSO AT THE POLICIES. BUT I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM THE BOARD OPEN THIS UP. UM, WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT OUR, WHAT WE, WHAT WE CAN DO AS A BOARD IN RESPONSE TO THE COMMUNITY'S VOICE. 'CAUSE WE CARE DEEPLY. UH, ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS, ANY BRIEF COMMENTS BEFORE WE, UH, TALK ABOUT WHAT OUR RESPONSE MIGHT BE? OH, MS. MS. KING. AND ALSO, I DON'T THINK YOU WERE COUNTED AS PRESENT, SO I WAS ON THE PHONE. YES. OKAY. UH, ALRIGHT. FIRST, SO THE MINUTES, UH, MS. KING IS PRESENT AND I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU THE FLOOR. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I DON'T HAVE A LOT TO SAY EXCEPT I WANNA THANK EVERYONE WHO CAME AND SPENT TIME, UH, THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SAY, SPEAKING TO US TODAY, COMING TO PAST MEETINGS. AND WE WELCOME YOU TO FUTURE MEETINGS. UH, WE APPRECIATE YOUR VOICE. UM, OUR CHAIRMAN SAID, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE AUTHORITY OVER THIS, BUT WE ARE HEARING YOU. I DO THINK WHAT YOU SAY IS IMPORTANT, AND YOU SHOULD SEND THIS TO THE CITY COUNCIL. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN SIGN ON TO A LETTER, UH, BUT I DO WANNA SAY ACCOUNTABILITY IS IMPORTANT. AND SO I KNOW THE POLICE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING SURE EVERYONE KNOWS WHO IS WHAT, UM, OUT AND ABOUT, AND THAT OUR, OUR CITIZENS AND OUR RES RESIDENTS ARE PROTECTED. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN SAY, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIX THE PROBLEM. UM, I, SO I JUST WANNA SAY ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE PEOPLE IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME PERSONALLY. AND I THINK TO THIS BODY, ALTHOUGH I WON'T SPEAK FOR OTHERS, UM, I DO WANNA SAY, WHO DO WE CALL IF WE ARE WORRIED THAT THE POLICE CAN'T STEP IN AND PROTECT SOMEONE WHO MIGHT BE BEING SEIZED BY ICE? I, THAT'S A REALLY, IT'S AN OPEN-ENDED QUESTION. UM, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT OUR POLICE OFFICERS ARE ABSOLUTELY CONCERNED ABOUT OUR PUBLIC SAFETY. AND [00:55:01] WE ARE IN A, A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SOLVE THIS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, UM, WE HEAR YOU AND WE APPRECIATE YOU AND THANK YOU FOR BEING ACTIVISTS. I DO SAY, I DO WANNA SAY THAT WE ARE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. WE ARE INVOLVED WITH VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS. WE MAY NOT BE ALWAYS BOOTS ON THE GROUND WHERE YOU ARE, BUT WE CARE. UH, WE HAVE A WHOLE STAFF MEMBER WHOSE ENTIRE JOB IS TO REPRESENT US IN THE COMMUNITY. AND ONE OF OUR GOALS IS TO REACH PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT UNDERSTAND ENGLISH, WHO MAY NOT, UM, FEEL LIKE THEY'RE WELCOMED IN A FORMAL BODY LIKE THIS. EVERYONE IS WELCOMED. WE DO TRANSLATE INTO OTHER LANGUAGES. I KNOW SPANISH, WHAT ELSE DO WE TRANSLATE INTO SIX LANGUAGES? I'LL GET THOSE LATER. BUT SPANISH IS ONE OF THE PRIORITY LANGUAGES. UM, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY REACH OTHER LANGUAGES THAT, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO KNOW SOMETHING AND WE DON'T HAVE THOSE, WE DON'T HAVE OUR AGENDA OR WE DON'T HAVE CITY INFORMATION TRANSLATED FOR THEM, THE CITY IS OPEN. WE'RE WELCOMING AND WE DO WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND AND FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE A VOICE. SO I WILL STOP RAMBLING NOW, BUT I THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. LET'S HEAR FROM OTHER BOARD MEMBERS AS WELL. ANYBODY, CHAIRMAN, HAVE ANY COMMENTS? CHAIRMAN? YES. MR. FREEMAN, DISTRICT 14. THANK YOU. UH, BRANDON FREEMAN, DISTRICT 14. UH, JUST A FEW THINGS TO SAY. UM, FIRST, I TOO WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE. UM, THIS DOESN'T WORK, UH, WITHOUT COMMUNITY INPUT, UH, AND COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION. SO, UM, I, WE REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY WHO'S HERE COMING OUT AND STICKING THROUGH THIS. UM, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO, TRY TO MAKE YOU PROUD OF US. UM, BASED ON, UM, CHIEF CUOMO'S, UM, STATEMENT AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, IT, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR TO ME THAT DPD CANNOT COLLABORATE WITH DHS AND DALLAS RESIDENTS AT THE SAME TIME. THEY'RE RUNNING IT CROSS PURPOSES. UM, AND WHAT I'M SEEING ARE DALLAS RESIDENTS WHO ARE BEGGING THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT TO PROTECT THEM BECAUSE THEY SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN MINNEAPOLIS AND THEY DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN HERE. AND I SHARE THAT VIEW. UM, I HAVE THUS FAR NOT BEEN SATISFIED WITH DPD LEADERSHIP'S POSITION ON THIS MATTER. UM, FOR THAT REASON, UH, I WANNA SUGGEST TWO THINGS. ONE, I THINK AT THE END OF THIS DISCUSSION WE SHOULD MOVE TO FORMALLY SUPPORT THE STATEMENT THAT WITH WHICH WE WERE PROVIDED BEFORE THE MEETING. UM, I THINK WE SHOULD VOTE ON THAT AND I THINK WE SHOULD BACK IT. SECONDLY AND SEPARATELY, UH, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION AND OR SEND A LETTER TO THE COUNCIL REQUESTING THAT THEY BAR DPD FROM FURTHER COLLABORATION WITH DHS UNTIL THEY CAN MEET THEIR EXISTING RESPONSE TIME STANDARDS FOR DALLAS RESIDENTS. I, I DO NOT LIKE THE IDEA OF THEM COLLABORATING WITH DHS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT IF THEY ARE GOING TO COLLABORATE WITH THEM, I DO THINK THAT THEY NEED TO PRIORITIZE TAX PAYING DALLAS RESIDENTS FIRST. AND RIGHT NOW DPD CAN'T MEET THEIR RESPONSE TIME STANDARDS FROM WHEN SOMEBODY CALLS THE COPS. UM, AND I THINK THEY SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO MEET THOSE BEFORE THEY WORK WITH ICE AND CBP. THANK YOU. I THANK YOU MR. FRIEDMAN. ANY COMMENTS, JUDGE? JUDGE LANDER? YES. JUDGE LANDER. UM, DISTRICT EIGHT, UH, JUDGE IS NOT MY FIRST NAME. JUDGE IS MY TITLE. . UH, I SERVE AS A JUDGE, ASSOCIATE JUDGE FOR THE DIS FOR THE CITY OF DESOTO. AND I RETIRED AS A JUDGE FOR THE MUNICIPAL COURT FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS. AS A JUDGE FOR THE CITY OF DESOTO. I'M ALSO A, UM, MAGISTRATE FOR DALLAS COUNTY AS A MAGISTRATE, SOMETIMES POLICE OFFICERS WHO ARE UNDERCOVER COME TO ME FOR WARRANTS TO BE SIGNED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. I CAN INSIST ON THEM IDENTIFYING THEMSELVES. THERE'S NOTHING DIFFERENT WITH ICE. THE POLICE SHOULD INSIST ON ICE IDENTIFYING THEMSELVES WHETHER THEY ARE UNDERCOVER OR NOT. IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THAT THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING UP TO THEM ARE REALLY AUTHORIZED TO DO SO. I WANNA THANK ALL OF YOU FOR BEING HERE, FOR TAKING THIS TIME TO COME DOWNTOWN AND DEAL WITH CITY HALL AND ALL OF THE RAMIFICATIONS THAT COME, THEREBY. AND AS IMPORTANTLY, I WANT TO THANK THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT. YOU ALL ARE STUCK BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE. YOU HAVE, UM, [01:00:01] YOU HAVE LEADERSHIP THAT IS BACKING OFF BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA MAKE TROUBLE. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT YOU HAVE A DUTY AND A RESPONSIBILITY TO THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS AND THAT DUTY INCLUDES MAKING SURE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO APPROACH THOSE CITIZENS ARE REALLY AS AUTHORIZED AS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE. I AM. I HAVE TO AGREE WITH, UH, MY COLLEAGUE BROTHER FRIEDMAN BECAUSE, UH, I BELIEVE, AND I'VE READ THROUGH THIS LETTER AND THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR THIS LETTER. I'VE READ THROUGH THIS INFORMATION AND I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO TAKE THIS UP AND AT LEAST FORWARD IT FORMALLY TO THE CITY COUNCIL AS RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS BOARD. WE ARE AN OVERSIGHT BOARD, BUT WE CAN'T OVERSEE ICE WITHOUT FIRST OVERSEEING THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND UNTIL THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN SHOW THAT THEY ARE MAKING THEIR, UM, APPEARANCES AND MEETING THEIR GOALS, WHY SHOULD WE AUTHORIZE OR ENCOURAGE THEIR OFFICERS TO BE GOING RUNNING AROUND WITH ICE WHEN THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO WITH RESPECT TO, UM, UH, TIMELINESS. AND WHEN SOMEONE CALLS THE POLICE THEY SAY, WELL, I'M SORRY, A CO A COP CAN'T BE THERE 'CAUSE HE'S OUT THERE, UH, HELPING OUT ICE. THAT AIN'T GOOD, THAT AIN'T WORKING. AND SO I HAVE TO AGREE WITH BROTHER FRIEDMAN AND OTHER, UH, MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD THAT WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE SOME SORT OF A STAND ON THIS. AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE, POLICE DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU AND YOU KNOW, I LOVE WHAT YOU DO AND I'VE DEALT WITH YOU ALL FOR MORE THAN 30 SOME ODD YEARS AND I'M STILL DEALING WITH YOU AND I APPRECIATE YOU. BUT I ALSO APPRECIATE THE CITIZENRY OF DALLAS. UH, I'LL RETURN MY TIME. THANK YOU, JUDGE. I APPRECIATE IT. UM, MY NAME IS JONATHAN MAPLES AND, UM, I WANNA THANK ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE COME HERE THIS EVENING TO BE GOOD STEWARDS AND KEEPERS OF YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS. THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT IN THE TIMES WE ARE LIVING IN RIGHT NOW. I WANT TO THANK DPD BECAUSE I KNOW THEY ARE IN A TOUGH, TOUGH, TOUGH SITUATION. I KNOW AND HAVE GOOD FRIENDS AND FAMILY ON THE POLICE FORCE, BUT AS A UNITED STATES MARINE, I HAVE FRIENDS AND FAMILY THAT HAVE GONE TO FOREIGN LANDS AND DIED FOR THE BASIC RIGHTS THAT WE ARE BEING DEPRIVED OF RIGHT NOW. AND THAT ABSOLUTELY SADDENS ME. AND ULTIMATELY, IT'S GONNA TAKE ALL OF US COLLECTIVELY TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE A CHANGE. WE HAVE COME TO A POINT TO WHERE FEAR IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO GET SOME THINGS DONE FOR CERTAIN PEOPLE. BUT WHEN FEAR MAKES A FAMILY NOT WANT TO SEND THEIR BABY TO SCHOOL, AND WHEN FEAR IS THE REASON WHY MOMS AND DADS DON'T WANT TO GO TO WORK, THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR ME. AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, THE FIRST FRIDAY OF EVERY MONTH IN THE COMMUNITY I LIVE IN, WE HAVE A FOOD DISTRIBUTION. WELL, LIKE BEFORE THAT FOOD DISTRIBUTION, ON THE FIRST FRIDAY, A MAN CAME THROUGH WHO NEEDED FOOD FOR HIS FAMILY. 30 MINUTES LATER HE CAME BACK AND HE SAID TO ME, BECAUSE OF MY NATIONALITY, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A JOB AND I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO COME AFTER MY FAMILY, CAN YOU TEAR UP THE PAPERWORK I FILLED OUT? AND YOU CAN HAVE BACK YOUR FOOD. YOU KNOW, IF WE WEREN'T IN THIS CHAMBER, I'D HAVE A CUSSING FIT BECAUSE THAT IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG TO WHERE PEOPLE ARE SO AFRAID THAT THEY DON'T DO THE BASIC AMERICAN THINGS. GO TO WORK, EDUCATE OUR CHILDREN, AND EAT. THAT'S BAD. THAT IS REALLY, REALLY BAD. AND I AGREE WITH MR. FREEMAN. IF DPD [01:05:02] IS HAVING A PROBLEM WITH OUR RESPONSE, WITH THEIR RESPONSE TIMES AND I KNOW THEY ARE, THEN WE SHOULD ALL BE ON BOARD WITH SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT YOUR, YOUR HANDS ARE TIED WITH THE FEDERAL AGENCY CALLED ICE, BUT WE NEED OUR DALLAS CITIZENS TAKEN CARE OF FIRST. SO I TOO WILL SUPPORT SIGNING ON TO YOUR LETTER. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT ALL OF US WORK TOGETHER BECAUSE THESE MOMENTS GET PEOPLE HEARD. THESE MOMENTS WILL GET ME ON THE NEWS, BUT I'M TIRED OF MOMENTS. IT'S TIME FOR A DAMN MOVEMENT. MR. CHAIR? YES, DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH. I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING AND SPEAKING, TAKING THE TIME TO DO THE RESEARCH AND LETTING YOUR VOICE BE HEARD. BUT I WANNA TELL YOU SOMETHING. I USED TO HAVE A BUNCH OF FRIENDS THAT WORKED FOR IMMIGRATION, AND THEY WERE PROUD OF THEIR JOB. THEY SHOWED THEIR FACE. NOW, THEY MAY NOT HAVE GONE TO EAT AT RESTAURANTS WHERE THEY'VE MADE RAIDS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANNA EXPOSE THEIR FAMILY, BUT THEY WEREN'T ASHAMED OF THEIR JOBS, AND THEY TREATED PEOPLE WITH RESPECT. THIS ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T BELIEVE IN RESPECTING OUR RIGHTS OR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY. AND I AGREE WITH YOU, DPD SHOULD NOT COOPERATE WITH ICE UNTIL ALL OF THE CITIZENS HAVE THE RESPONSE TIMES THAT SHOULD HAVE. AND I KNOW I'VE CALLED THE POLICE AND THEY'VE COME NINE HOURS LATER. THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DOCTOR. SURE. THANK YOU. JULIA. SIMON, DISTRICT 13. UM, SO THE FIRST THING I WANNA SAY IS I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING ANYONE CAN DO RIGHT NOW IS TO SHOW UP AND USE YOUR VOICE, UM, TO, TO SHOW, UH, WHAT YOU EXPECT OUR GOVERNMENT TO DO. UM, WITH THAT SAID, I'M GONNA GET NERDY FOR JUST A MINUTE BECAUSE EVERYBODY SAID ALL THE THANK YOUS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, UM, HOW GREAT EVERYBODY IS. AND SO I WANT TO JUST SAY, AS AN INDIVIDUAL, I KNOW I CAN SIGN ONTO THIS LETTER AS A BOARD. I DON'T KNOW ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I THINK I'VE GOTTA ASK SOME FOLKS WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO AS A BOARD. I JUST DON'T KNOW, UM, AS A BOARD MEMBER AND AS A CITIZEN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT COLLABORATIONS ARE ALREADY WORKED OUT, WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO DO BECAUSE OF WHATEVER HAS ALREADY BEEN LAID OUT UNDER ADMINISTRATIONS WHERE THINGS KIND OF WORK THE WAY WE EXPECTED THEM TO WORK. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I CAN TELL PEOPLE TO DO EXACTLY, BECAUSE THE POLICE IN, IN PARTICULAR, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, UM, WHAT THAT PROCESS IS. BUT WHAT I CAN DO IS KEEP ASKING FOR THEM TO DO JUST WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WHICH IS WE SHOULD FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION . WE SHOULD, UM, UH, FOLLOW THE RULE OF LAW. UH, WE SHOULD REQUIRE THAT OF EVERY ASPECT OF OUR GOVERNMENT. WHAT I, WHAT I DON'T KNOW IS, UM, UM, UH, WHICH LEVERAGE WE NEED TO TURN AND WHEN. AND SO WE JUST NEED TO, TO REACH OUT TO ALL OF THEM AND ASK ALL OF THEM TO DO THEIR PART, TO GET US BACK WHERE WE OUGHT TO BE. BUT I, I, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT AS A TRUE LAWYER NERD, LIKE MY LAWYER FRIENDS OVER THERE, I DON'T KNOW WHICH LEVERS TO TURN WHEN. SO WE'VE JUST GOTTA KEEP TRYING TO TURN WHICHEVER ONES WE CAN, WHENEVER WE CAN. THANKS. THANK YOU, MS. SIMON. APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS. WE, UH, ANY MORE AB BOARD MEMBERS? PEGRAM, YOU HAVE ANY WORDS? LOVE TO GIVE YOU THE FLOOR, SIR. DEREK PEGRAM, DISTRICT SIX. AND I WANNA THANK YOU ALSO FOR COMING OUT. AND I THANK THE POLICE FOR SHOWING UP AS THEY HAD BEEN SINCE THE NEW CHIEF BEEN HERE. BUT AS EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SAID, UM, YEAH, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE RESPONSE TIMES ARE A PRIORITY BEFORE ICE IS, AS A EDUCATOR, UM, I PROBABLY CAN'T SIGN ON, BUT AS A PERSONAL PERSON, AS A A CITIZEN OF DALLAS, I WOULD LOVE TO SIGN ON TO IT AS A BOARD MEMBER. LIKE SHE SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL BE ABLE TO SIGN ON IT, BUT AS A CITIZEN OF DALLAS, I WOULD LOVE TO SUPPORT YOUR, UH, YOUR FIGHT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST YOUR FIGHT, IT'S OUR FIGHT. I NOTICED, UM, AS A TEACHER, I NOTICED, UM, I TEACH ELEMENTARY, BUT, UH, I LOVE HISTORY. AND I REMEMBER HEARING ABOUT HOW THIS TYPE OF FASCISM CAME ALONG BEFORE. [01:10:01] AND, UM, THE WORD GUSTAVO CAME ABOUT, AND IT WAS HOW HITLER KIND OF CAME THROUGH AND RAN HIS PEOPLE THROUGH THE, TO POLICE THE PEOPLE, AND THEN, AND EVENTUALLY KILLING THEM. AND IF THIS DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE START OF IT, WHAT DOES, YOU DON'T TAKE PEOPLE, YOU DON'T PUT MASK ON AND TAKE PEOPLE WITHOUT THEIR, AT LEAST HITLER DIDN'T, THEM DIDN'T HAVE MASK, BUT THESE GUYS HAVE ON MASK, AND THAT DOES, THAT WOULD FRIGHTEN ANYBODY. AND IF YOU EVER HAD TO TEACH A YOUNG CHILD, AND INSTEAD OF HAVING TO TEACH HIM, YOU HAVE TO CODDLE HIM BECAUSE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED AT HIS HOME THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO REALLY KNOW ABOUT. BUT YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, HE CAN COME THERE AND BE COMFORTED IF HE CAN COME. 'CAUSE I'VE ALSO HAD STUDENTS JUST MISS BECAUSE OF WHATEVER REASONS. AND NOT TO CALL THOSE NAMES, BUT DEFINITELY TO SAY OUR KIDS' EDUCATION IS BEING STOPPED BEHIND THIS ADMINISTRATION'S, UM, SUPPORT OF WHITE SUPREMACY. I'LL CALL IT THAT. AND SO, ONCE AGAIN, DEREK PILGRAM, DISTRICT SIX, I SUPPORT YOUR CAUSE. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. GRAM, UH, BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS, DISTRICT THREE. UH, YOU'RE ONLINE. I'D LOVE TO GIVE YOU THE FLOOR AS WELL. UH, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, WE CAN HEAR YOU. YEAH. UM, FIRST OF ALL, AS A LONG TIME ACTIVIST AND ORGANIZER, I LOVE TO SEE, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO, UH, ALL OF THE ORGANIZERS AND THE PEOPLE ON THE FRONT LINES WITH THIS ISSUE, UM, FOR COMING AND SPEAKING TODAY. UM, SOME OF YOU ARE MY FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES AND COMRADES. SO IT, UH, IT, UH, WARMS MY HEART TO SEE YOU HERE BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WILL HEAR FROM, UM, ANY, ANYONE WHO WOULD OPPOSE THE KIND OF TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A SMALL MINORITY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS, RIGHT? LIKE, YOU KNOW, UH, DPD ALWAYS TALKS ABOUT HOW THEY'RE ON THE GROUND AND THEY'RE TALKING TO PEOPLE AND, AND PEOPLE, UM, PEOPLE AREN'T AS CONCERNED AS AS, AS YOU GUYS ARE MAKING IT, UM, OUT THERE. AND WE KNOW THAT'S NOT TRUE FOR THOSE OF US WHO ACTUALLY WORK IN THE COMMUNITY. WE KNOW THAT'S NOT REAL. THAT'S NOT REALITY. AND SO, THANK YOU FOR SHOWING UP, UM, FROM ACROSS THIS CITY, FROM FROM ACROSS THE DISTRICTS IN THIS CITY TO MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD. UM, I'LL JUST SAY THIS. UM, I THINK WE SHOULD SUPPORT THIS STATEMENT. WE CAN SUPPORT THIS STATEMENT. THE WAY THAT THIS OVERSIGHT BOARD EVEN GOT HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE IS THAT THE LAST REVIEW BOARD, MYSELF AND A COALITION OF PEOPLE, CAME TO THIS OVERSIGHT BOARD. ONE OF THE STEPS WE TOOK WAS TO GET THE, THE SUB CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD TO SUPPORT THE MEMORANDUM, UH, TO CREATE THE OVERSIGHT BOARD. SO IT IS POSSIBLE FOR US TO DO IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMELINE LOOKS LIKE, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE FOR US TO SUPPORT IT. ALSO SAY THIS IS CENTRAL AT WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. RIGHT? LET'S REMEMBER, AND I'LL SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD, BUT I DON'T CARE. UM, WE ARE HERE BECAUSE BLACK FOLKS, BROWN FOLKS, AND I'LL SAY SOME NAMES, SANTOS RODRIGUEZ, HAM, JOHN GENEVIEVE'S, DOS CLINTON, ALLEN, EDA COLLINS, WE ARE HERE BECAUSE COMMUNITIES, BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES IN THIS CITY HAD A BROKEN RELATIONSHIP WITH DPD. AND THIS WAS, THIS BOARD IS A REMEDY. THIS OFFICE IS A REMEDY TO IMPROVE THE PUBLIC TRUST BETWEEN, BETWEEN THOSE COMMUNITIES AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY. SO I DON'T WANT US TO FORGET THAT, RIGHT? UM, ALSO WITH THAT, IF THIS IS, AND THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THIS IS CORE OF WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING, RIGHT? UM, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT NOT ONLY SIGNING ON TO THIS, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO, UH, ALSO FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR GAME PLAN IS GOING TO BE IN COLLABORATION WITH THE COMMUNITY TO, UH, TAKE THIS BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL. BECAUSE AS I SAID LAST MEETING, I APPRECIATE CHIEF CUOMO COMING. I APPRECIATE DPD STAFF COMING, UH, MUCH APPRECIATED THAT YOU'RE HERE EVERY MEETING. BUT THIS ANSWER DOES NOT STOP WITH THE POLICE TEAM. THIS IS THE CITY COUNCIL'S DECISION ON WHETHER THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED, WHICH ARE VERY BASELINE, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IN THIS, UH, IN THIS, IN THIS DOCUMENT THAT THEY SUBMITTED, IT IS VERY BASELINE. IT DOESN'T AFFECT POLICING, IT DOESN'T PUT OFFICERS AT RISK, AND IT DOESN'T CHA, IT DOESN'T AFFECT ANY [01:15:01] POLICING STRATEGY OR GIVE UP ANY INFORMATION ABOUT OFFICERS AT ALL. SO WE ARE ASKING FOR AFTER THE FACT REPORTING ON THE PARTICIPATION WITH ICE PERIOD. AND SO, UM, I WOULD SAY NOT ONLY THAT, YOU KNOW, I WILL BE IN SUPPORT PERSONALLY AND AS A, A, A MEMBER, UH, A FOUNDER OF THE DALLAS COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT COALITION AND OF DALLAS ACTION. I WILL BE SUPPORTING IT PERSONALLY, UH, STANDING 10 TOES DOWN IN SUPPORT FOR IT. BUT ALSO, I, WE SHOULD SUPPORT IT AND WE SHOULD FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN FAST TRACK GETTING OUR COUNCIL IN, IN FRONT OF OUR COUNCIL TO, UH, SHOW OUR SUPPORT FOR THIS AS WELL. THANK YOU, MR. HIGGINS. AND, UH, I DO WANNA ECHO, UH, THE SENTIMENTS OF THE BOARD, UH, FOR THOSE THAT CAME IN SUPPORT, UH, TODAY. UH, YOUR VOICE, YOUR VOICE MATTERS. UH, THIS IS A PLACE WHERE YOU ARE HEARD AND WE APPRECIATE THE COURAGE IT TAKES TO STAND, UH, BEFORE US. AND, UH, SHARE FROM YOUR HEART, FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE, UH, THIS VERY IMPORTANT MATTER. AND, YOU KNOW, LISTENING IS ONE OF THE MOST SACRED RESPONSIBILITIES THAT THIS BOARD HAS. UH, WE ARE THE VOICE OF THE COMMUNITY. AND WHAT WE ACT UPON IS BASED UPON, UH, THE VOICE OF THE COMMUNITY. AND WHEN MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY SPEAK, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY SPEAK WITH URGENCY, UH, FEAR AND CONCERN, UH, THEY'RE DOING MORE THAN JUST SHARING THEIR OPINIONS. THEY'RE PLACING THE TRUST IN WHAT THIS BOARD CAN DO. SO I DO BELIEVE WE DO NEED TO ACT AS A BOARD. UH, THE QUESTION IS HOW WE DO IT, AND I DO THINK WE HAVE A FEW OPTIONS THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS TODAY. UH, ONE IS WE CAN, AS A BOARD SIGN, VOTE TO SIGN, UH, THAT LETTER, UM, TALKING TO THE CITY ATTORNEY. WE DO JUST NEED A, UH, MAJORITY, UH, TO DO SO. UM, THE ONLY THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS, UH, ON THAT ONE IS NOT EVERY BOARD MEMBER IS HERE TODAY. AND, UH, NOT EVERY BOARD MEMBER HAS HAD A CHANCE TO FULLY READ THAT. AND SO IF WE DO VOTE FOR THAT TODAY, WHICH THAT MIGHT BE WHAT WE DO, UM, NOT ALL BOARD MEMBERS HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO VOTE ON, ON THAT AND, AND MAYBE READ THE LETTER. ANOTHER OPTION, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION IS FOR US TO WRITE OUR OWN LETTER, UM, INCLUDING THE SENTIMENTS OF MR. FRIEDMAN, UH, FROM THE BOARD ITSELF. UM, A BOARD, A LETTER WRITTEN BY US, UM, AND, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE DIRECTOR WOULD BE TO SEND THAT LETTER DIRECTLY TO THE CITY MANAGER FIRST. UM, AND THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP FOR US. UM, AND SO THOSE ARE THE OPTIONS BEFORE US, AND I'LL LEAVE IT TO THE BOARD'S WISDOM, UH, TO GUIDE WHAT WE DO NEXT. ONE OPTION WOULD BE TO, UH, HAVE A MOTION TO VOTE TO SIGN THIS PARTICULAR LETTER, UH, AS A BOARD AND PUT OUR NAME AS A BOARD. ALL IT WOULD TAKE AS A MAJORITY OF US TO SAY YES. AND WE'LL PUT THE BOARD'S, UH, NAME ON THIS LETTER. UH, THE SECOND OPTION WOULD BE FOR US TO MAKE A MOTION TO WRITE OUR OWN LETTER, INCLUDING MR. FRIEDMAN SENTIMENTS. ANYTHING ELSE THE BOARD WOULD WANNA INCLUDE. AND WE WOULD SEND THAT DIRECTLY TO, UH, THE CITY MANAGER OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, KIM TOLBERT. SO THOSE ARE THE OPTIONS BEFORE US. I WANT TO LEAN ON THE WISDOM OF THE BOARD ON HOW WE SHOULD PROCEED, JUDGE LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT. UM, I BELIEVE THAT WHAT HAS BEEN WRITTEN BY THESE PEOPLE HERE TODAY, BY OUR FELLOW CITIZENS, UM, REQUESTING TRANSPARENCY AND REPORTING AS WELL AS, UH, ACCOUNTABILITY IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AND SOMETHING THAT WE AS A BOARD SHOULD AGREE TO. AND THERE'S NO REASON WHY, UH, WE CAN'T DO BOTH. BOTH, UH, AGREE TO THIS LETTER AND SEND IT ON TO CITY COUNCIL AS, UH, THE SENTIMENTS OF THE BOARD, AS WELL AS DO OUR OWN SEPARATE LETTER DEALING WITH WHAT MR. FRIEDMAN BROUGHT UP. NAMELY, A RATIONALE AND A, AND A WAY TO ADDRESS IT. AND REASON FOR OUR BEING PART OF IT. NAMELY THAT UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE, UH, CITY, I'M SORRY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN DO THEIR, UM, TIMELINESS IN RESPONSE, THEN THEY SHOULD NOT BE OUT THERE WITH ICE. THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE ISSUE AND SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO AS WELL. SO, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT THIS STATEMENT THAT WAS, UM, PROVIDED BY THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS, MANY, MANY CITIZENS OF DALLAS, UM, THAT THEY, THAT WE AS A BOARD SEND THIS AS OUR, OUR POSITION TO THE CITY COUNCIL THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER. THAT'S MY MOTION. THERE'S BEEN A MOTION MADE FOR THIS BOARD TO SIGN ON AS IN SUPPORT AS AN ENTIRE BOARD TO THIS LETTER. IS THERE A SECOND? BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14 SECOND. [01:20:01] HAS, BEFORE WE CAN WE, CAN WE HAVE COMMENT BEFORE WE OH, YEAH. WE GOT, WE GOTTA TALK ABOUT IT BEFORE WE, WE VOTE. YEAH. SO ROBERT'S RULES, WE, THERE'S BEEN A MOTION. IT'S BEEN SECONDED. AND NOW, UH, BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO A VOTE, WE WILL NEED TO DISCUSS IT AS A BOARD. UM, ANY DISCUSSION? YES, MS. SIMON? YEAH, A COUPLE OF THINGS. UM, ONE, REMIND ME WHO THIS IS GOING TO, WHO'S THIS JOINT STATEMENT GOING TO? UM, THAT'S ONE QUESTION I DID ASK. UM, BEFORE I SIGN OFF ON SOMETHING, I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND MR. ALVAREZ. AND, UH, HE DID MENTION HIS GOING TO THE CITY COUNCIL. MY MOTION WAS THAT IT GO TO THE CITY THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER. OKAY. SO I, I GUESS THAT THE, THE, UM, CONCERNS I HAVE FOR ME IS SORT OF THE, THE TONE, WHICH I THINK IS PERFECTLY APPROPRIATE COMING FROM CITIZENS. I DON'T KNOW THAT SOME OF THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN FOR ME, COMING FROM A BOARD I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, WE MUST DO THIS AND WE MUST DO THAT WHEN I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT WHETHER, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EXECUTABLE ON THE OTHER SIDE. AND SO I, UH, FOR ME PERSONALLY, IT'S JUST A PERSONAL THING. AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM SIGNING THIS AS A CITIZEN MYSELF AS A BOARD. I WANNA MAKE SURE THE TONE AND THE STRUCTURE OF WHAT I PRESENT, UH, HAS A, A, A, A TONE THAT UNDERSTANDS THE, WHAT I'VE BEEN ENTRUSTED TO DO. THAT'S ALL. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU, MS. SIMON? YES. MR. FREEMAN. UH, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY SOMETHING. THIS IS NOT OUR LETTER. WE ARE BEING ASKED TO SIGN ON TO IT AND SUPPORT IT. UM, SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THAT VITAL THAT WE DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S GONNA RUN THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER OR WHO IT'S GOING TO. THE, THIS COMMUNITY MADE UP OF ALL THESE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS HAS COMPOSED THIS LETTER. WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO SIGN ON TO IT, AND I, I THINK WE SHOULD. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S CRUCIAL THAT WE GET, YOU KNOW, WRAPPED AROUND THE AXLES ABOUT WHO IT'S GOING TO OR, UH, WITH RESPECT THE TONE. UM, BECAUSE IT IS, IT'S NOT OUR LETTER. IT'S NOT COMING FROM THE BOARD, IT'S COMING FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND WE ARE BEING ASKED TO SIGN ONTO IT. SO I THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH, I GUESS I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. AND MAYBE IT'S, IT'S TO ONE OF THE STAFF MEMBERS. YEAH. WHICH IS, IF WE TAKE AN OFFICIAL ACTION AS A BOARD SIGN ONTO SOMETHING, I THINK THAT IS A BOARD ACTION. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY IT. SO, MM-HMM . I HAD A COMMENT. UH, YES. MR. HIGGINS. SO MY, MY, UM, I GUESS QUESTION IS, FROM A STRATEGIC STANDPOINT, WHY ARE WE, UM, DECIDING TO SEND THIS LETTER TO THE CITY COUN, UH, TO THE CITY MANAGER INSTEAD OF THE CITY COUNCIL, WHEN WE CAN SEND IT TO THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY COUNCIL? UM, I THINK THAT'S AN EXTRA STEP. AND BECAUSE OF THE MOMENT AND THE, THE SENSE OF URGENCY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT HAS TO GO TO THE CITY MANAGER FIRST. UM, AND I WAS JUST WANT TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE REASONING BEHIND THAT. DANIEL, CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION? WHY IT SHOULD GO TO THE CITY MANAGER AS OPPOSED TO CITY COUNCIL DIRECTLY? GOOD EVENING. UH, THE LOGIC WAS SIMPLY THAT DPD AND THE CHIEF AND ALL OF THEM ARE ANSWERABLE TO THE CITY MANAGER BEFORE THEY ARE ANSWERABLE TO CITY COUNCIL. UH, I'VE BEEN AN ORGANIZER FOR A LONG TIME, AND I WOULD PREFER A BOTH AND STRATEGY INSTEAD OF JUST ONE. SO IF WE COULD SEND IT TO THE CITY MANAGER, WE COULD SEND IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL AS WELL. TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT'S A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, I ACCEPT IT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, BEFORE WE TAKE THIS TO THE VOTE, PROCEDURALLY WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND DR. DR. GERBER SMITH. WHAT WAS THE QUITE STATEMENT? THE AMENDMENT, HAS THERE BEEN AN AMENDMENT MADE? I SAID, UH, I WOULD ACCEPT IT AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. OH, THAT WE, THAT IT GO TO BOTH THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY COUNCIL. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE, IF THE PERSON WHO SECONDED IT AGREES YES, THEN I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO VOTE ON IT. SOUNDS GOOD. YEAH. AS LONG AS NO ONE FROM THE BOARD OBJECTS, UH, WE WOULD NEED TO, DON'T NEED THAT AMENDMENT. SO YEAH. WE'LL BE GOOD. MR. FRIEDMAN, DO YOU AGREE? I, I, I THINK I MO I MOSTLY AGREE. I, I, AGAIN, I DON'T, THIS IS, THIS IS THEIR LETTER AND WE ARE BEING ASKED TO SIGN ONTO IT. RIGHT. SO I'M NOT SURE WE GET TO DECIDE WHERE IT GOES AND WHERE IT GOES FIRST. WELL, IF WE SIGN ONTO IT, WE, WELL, WE CAN ALSO SEND IT, BUT, BUT I MEAN, THE COMMUNITY'S GONNA SEND IT WHERE THEY NEED TO SEND IT. THEY'LL [01:25:01] PROBABLY SEND IT TO THE PRESS AND THE COUNCIL AND WHOEVER ELSE. UM, YES, I, I'M FINE SENDING IT TO THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY COUNCIL ON OUR BEHALF AT THE SAME TIME. I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. MM-HMM . I, I JUST THINK WE NEED TO SUPPORT IT AND WE NEED TO SUPPORT TONIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MS. KEEN, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? NO? YEAH. SO, UH, BEFORE WE TAKE YOU TO A VOTE, THE ONLY THING THAT I'LL SAY IS, UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I, I AGREE WITH MS. SIMON ON THIS ONE TOO, WHERE I THINK INDIVIDUALLY, UM, I, I CAN SEE THE LOGIC OF IT. UM, ONE THING ABOUT THIS BOARD THOUGH, IS I, I DO WANT TO BE AS OBJECTIVE AND, AND BIPARTISAN AS POSSIBLE. UM, YOU KNOW, TAKING AWAY MY OWN PERSONAL BIAS. AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE, WE SERVE THE ENTIRE CITY OF DALLAS. AND I, IT DOES CONCERN ME THAT THERE'S SO MANY BOARD MEMBERS THAT AREN'T HERE, UM, THAT WOULD BE ATTACHED TO THIS LETTER THAT ME, AND AGAIN, THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN HERE, UH, BE AT THIS MEETING. BUT THAT, THAT IS, UM, AS THE CHAIRMAN WHO IS AN ADVOCATE FOR EVERY DISTRICT OF THIS BOARD, I HAVE TO TAKE AWAY MY OWN, MY OWN BIAS. I HAVE TO ADVOCATE FOR EVERYBODY. THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN. UM, IS, UM, ARE WE BEING FAIR TO THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS THAT HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO READ IT? UM, BEING SO SWIFT JUST RECEIVING THIS LETTER IN, UH, TODAY OR I GUESS LA YESTERDAY. UM, AND AGAIN, I'M OKAY, I'M COOL TO SIGN UP BY MYSELF, PERSONAL AS A CHAIR. UM, BUT ALSO IT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THIS BOARD TO ADVOCATE FOR EVERYBODY. UM, EVEN THOSE THAT AREN'T THERE. THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN, UH, ABOUT SIGNING ON AS A, AS A, AS THE ENTIRETY OF THE BOARD. BUT IF THE BOARD VOTES IT, THEN, THEN THE BOARD, WHO'S HERE, WE HAVE IT. WE, WE. SO, UM, THAT IS, UH, ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE TAKE THIS TO A VOTE? YEAH. MY CONCERN IS, MS. SIMON'S CONCERN, UH, MAYBE WE CAN SIGN ON TO THIS AS A BOARD, BUT I'M NOT SURE. I LIKE THE LETTER AS IT'S WRITTEN. I LOVE THE SPIRIT OF THE LETTER. I DON'T KNOW IF ALL THE LISTS, THE THINGS YOU WANT ARE AVAILABLE. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE TONE IS WHAT I WOULD RATHER LIKE TO SEND TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OUR CHIEF. SO I'M NOT, I'M REALLY LIKE THE SPIRIT OF THE IDEA. I DO WANT ACCOUNTABILITY. I WANT, I, I'VE WANTED TO NOT HAVE NATIONAL ATTENTION ON THE CITY OF DALLAS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE HERE. I DON'T WANT OUR CITY TO BE DISRUPTED AND OUR PEOPLE IN DANGER LIKE THEY ARE IN MINNEAPOLIS, AS AN EXAMPLE. AND SO I HAD ONE, I HAVE UP TO NOW NOT WANTED TO SIGN ON TO ANYTHING, BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA DRAW ATTENTION. AND NOW YOU ARE BRINGING THIS TO US. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE RIGHT WORDS TO SEND. UM, BUT, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW I'M GONNA VOTE, BUT I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW. I AGREE WITH THE SPIRIT OF IT. I'M, AND I'M NOT A LAWYER. MS. SIMON IS A LAWYER, SO I APPRECIATE HER STRUCTURAL CONCERNS. AND JUDGE LANDER IS ALSO A LAWYER. UH, AND I MADE THE MOTION FOR A REASON. UM, WE CANNOT, IN GOOD CONSCIENCE, IN MY OPINION, CONTINUE TO HIDE AND KOWTOW AND SAY, WE'RE SCARED. ICE IS ALREADY HERE. ALRIGHT? IT'S NOTHING, NOTHING NEW. AS A MATTER OF FACT, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY WERE AT BIG TE BAAR THIS PAST WEEKEND. SO, YOU KNOW, SAYING THAT, UH, WE'RE AFRAID, UH, TO DO THIS BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA BRING ATTENTION TO OURSELVES. THAT'S JUST UNNECESSARY. THEY'RE ALREADY HERE. AND THAT'S WHY I'VE MADE THE MOTION. AND, AND I AGREE THAT THERE'S SOME HESITATION. AND I AGREE THAT THERE IS SOME RELUCTANCE BASED UPON THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE EVERYBODY HERE. BUT THAT'S WHY YOU CALL THE MEETING MR. CHAIRMAN. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A QUORUM. AND THE QUORUM DECIDES, AND THE QUORUM DECIDES THE OTHER PEOPLE WANTED TO BE HERE. WHETHER THEY ARE NOT, OR WHATEVER THEIR REASONS ARE, THAT'S FINE. WE ARE A QUORUM. WE ARE A BOARD. WE SHOULD TAKE SOME ACTION. I'M NOT TELLING EVERYBODY HOW TO VOTE, BUT I DID MAKE THE MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION. WE'VE HAD DISCUSSION. WHAT DO YOU SAY? WE TAKE THIS TO A VOTE. UH, WE'LL DO A, UH, ROLL CALL, VOTE FOR THOSE THAT ARE HERE. AND, UM, THE MOTION AT HAND IS, UH, WHETHER, UM, IF YOU VOTE YAY, YES, THEN, UH, YOU'RE VOTING FOR US AS A BOARD TO BE A SIGNEE TO THIS LETTER. WE'RE JUST, UH, PUTTING OUR NAME ON IT, AND IT'S UP TO WHO WROTE IT, UH, TO SEND IT AND, UH, TO WHOM THEY CHOOSE. UH, BUT BY VOTING, YES. THEN WE'RE VOTING TO PUT OUR NAME ON THE LIST OF, UH, THAT'S ALREADY ON THERE, JUST ADDING TO THE LIST. AND IF YOU VOTE NO, THEN WE'RE OPTING OUT OF PUTTING OUR NAME ON, [01:30:01] ON THIS. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO CHOICES. WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL. VOTE. A MAJORITY WILL CARRY. DISTRICT TWO. JONATHAN MAPLES. DISTRICT TWO. YAY. DISTRICT THREE. JOHN HIGGINS. DISTRICT THREE. YES. DISTRICT FOUR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH. DISTRICT FOUR. YES. DISTRICT SIX. DEREK PEGRAM. DISTRICT SIX. YES. DISTRICT EIGHT. SEE VICTOR LANDER. DISTRICT EIGHT. YES. DISTRICT 10. I'M SO SORRY. YOU CAN'T OPT OUT. I APOLOGIZE. I'M VOTING FOR IT, BUT I WISH IT WAS WORDED DIFFERENTLY. DISTRICT 13, JULIUS SIMONON, DISTRICT 13 NAY. BUT CATCH ME INDIVIDUALLY AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO SIGN ON IT TO IT MYSELF. DISTRICT 14. DISTRICT 14. BRANDON FRIEDMAN. YES. AND I'M CHAIRMAN. 15. I VOTE YES. THE MOTION PASSES. WE AS A BOARD WILL BE ASSIGNEE, UH, TO THIS LETTER. AND, UM, YEAH, KEEP US POSTED ON, UH, WHAT HAPPENS, UH, ON THIS LETTER. APPRECIATE THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES. BRENDAN FRIEDMAN. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE ALSO COMPOSE OUR OWN LETTER, UM, ABOUT THE, UH, RESPONSE TIMES. UM, I'M, SO, LET ME WORD IT CORRECTLY. I, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD COMPOSES A LETTER THAT GOES TO THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY COUNCIL THAT REQUIRES DPD TO MEET ITS TIER ONE AND TIER TWO RESPONSE TIME STANDARDS BEFORE THEY HAVE ANY COLLABORATION WHATSOEVER WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, LAUREN GILBERT SMITH. SECOND. THERE HAS BEEN A MOTION, IT'S BEEN SECONDED. SO THERE'S BEEN A MOTION MADE. UH, IT'S BEEN SECONDED, AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA BRING IT UP TO DISCUSSION. BUT THERE HAS BEEN SOME INSIGHT, UH, FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT THERE IS ACTUAL, UM, STATE LAW THAT, UH, PREVENTS, UH, CITIES FROM NOT COOPERATING. AND SO, UH, JUST A, UM, SUGGESTION THAT, UM, THIS WOULD NOT NECESSARILY MAKE IT VERY FAR. UM, SO MAYBE A DIFFERENT STRATEGY, GRAPHIC, A DIFFERENT LETTER. UH, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY, UH, UNDERSTANDING THE LIMITATIONS AND, AND WHAT THE STATE LAWS ARE. JUDGE LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT, CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC AS TO WHAT THE STATE LAW IS THAT PREVENTS THE CITY FROM TELLING ITS, UH, IT'S POLICE DEPARTMENT WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO? CERTAINLY, JUDGE. IT'S TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 7 52 0.053. AND WHAT DOES THAT SAY? IT SAYS THAT THE CITY CANNOT HAVE A POLICY THAT PROHIBITS ITS OFFICERS FROM COOPERATING WITH FEDERAL IMMIGRATION, UH, ENFORCEMENT. MR. CHAIRMAN? YES. THAT'S VERY BROAD. UM, IT'S, IT'S VERY BROAD. UH, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT WE DO COMPOSE THE LETTER, WE PUT IN THE LETTER, WHATEVER WE WANNA PUT IN IT MM-HMM . THAT HAS OUR WISHLIST OR OUR DEMAND LIST, HOWEVER WE WANNA COUCH IT MM-HMM . AND THEN WE RUN IT THROUGH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WHO CAN GO OVER IT WITH A FINE TOOTH COMB WITH SPECIFICITY, AND THEY CAN BRING UP ANYTHING THAT VIOLATES STATE LAW IN OUR LETTER. AND ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T VIOLATE STATE LAW SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO STAND. WE CAN REWRITE IT IF WE NEED TO, BUT THE POINT OF THIS IS TO GET SOMETHING ON PAPER AS A BOARD AND THEN RUN IT. WE CAN RUN IT THROUGH COUNSEL IF WE NEED TO, AND THEN TAKE IT TO THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY COUNCIL. [01:35:01] BUT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THE, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HASN'T SEEN THE LETTER YET. SO THEY DON'T KNOW IF ANYTHING IN IT VIOLATES STATE LAW OR NOT. I'M SAYING THAT WE WRITE THE LETTER AND THEN WE SEE WHAT HAPPENS BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A MOTION MADE. IT'S BEEN SECONDED. UH, THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION AND, UH, A CLARIFICATION BY BOARD MEMBER FRIEDMAN ABOUT WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE. I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD AS WELL. ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE WE TAKE THIS TO A VOTE? JUDGE, JUDGE LANDER DISTRICT? UH, EIGHT. UH, I BELIEVE THAT IF WE CO, IF WE COLLABORATE WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY WHEN WE WRITE THE LETTER, THEN WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE LETTER MEETS ALL THE NECESSARY QUALIFICATIONS OF STATE LAW. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT'S WHAT WE DO. MR. CHAIR, WHICH SUBCOMMITTEE IS GOING TO BE WRITING THE LETTER? UH, WELL, I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THAT BOARD MEMBER FRIEDMAN WRITES THE FIRST DRAFT, AND, UH, AND THEN WE CAN, UM, AS A BOARD DISCUSS, UM, THE CONTENTS OF THAT. ONE THING WE MIGHT NEED ADVICE ON THOUGH, IS TO WRITE THE MOTION IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T VIOLATE STATE LAW. SO, UH, IS THERE ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW, HOW TO BEST DO THAT? SORRY. UH, ONE SUGGESTION THAT'S BEEN MADE IS, UH, TO MAKE SURE WE WRITE THE MOTION THAT DOESN'T ALREADY BREAK INDICATE BREAKING STATE LAW. IS THERE A WAY TO REPHRASE IT AND DESCRIBE IT? THAT WOULD, UH, I THINK IF WE ASK THEM TO PRIORITIZE CITIZEN CALLS BEFORE ICE CALLS, WE, YOU REMIND US THE MOTION ONE MORE TIME. WELL, SO, SO THE IDEA HERE IS NOT TO, NOT TO BORROW DPD FROM COLLABORATING WITH DHS, THE IDEA IS TO PRIORITIZE DALLAS RESIDENTS AND THEIR CALLS FIRST. SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT DPD SHOULD NOT COLLABORATE WITH DHS UNTIL THEY HAVE MET THEIR, UH, REQUIRED RESPONSE TIME STANDARDS. SO WE'RE NOT TELLING THEM THEY CAN'T COLLABORATE WITH A FEDERAL AGENCY. UM, IF I NEED TO AMEND THE MOTION WITH DIFFERENT LANGUAGE, UH, I'M HAPPY TO. CAN I ASK A QUESTION BEFORE WE YES. AMEND THE MOTION? YES. 'CAUSE I, I, I THINK THE, THE CONCEPT OF SENDING A LETTER THAT SETS FORTH ALL OF THE, UH, UH, REASONABLE, UM, UH, COMMENTS, INQUIRIES, CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN DEMONSTRATED HERE TODAY, AND THAT WE HAVE AMONGST OURSELVES ABOUT THESE ISSUES IS IMPORTANT TO GET IN FRONT OF THE, THE POLICE CHIEF. ANYONE ELSE RIGHT. WHO NEEDS TO SEE IT? I A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MORE BROAD IN THE CONTENT OF THE LETTER, BUT I, I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THIS BOARD CONTINUE TO WRITE A LETTER AND, AND CONTINUE TO COMMUNICATE AFTER EVERY ONE OF THESE MEETINGS WHERE WE HEAR FROM THESE FOLKS ABOUT LEGITIMATE CONCERNS. WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE, UM, HOW WE PRESENT IT DOESN'T, UM, IT'S NOT ABOUT A FEAR THING, IT'S ABOUT A STRATEGY THING. , IT'S ABOUT STRATEGICALLY MAKING SURE WE'RE PUTTING IN FRONT OF THEM, UH, THE ISSUES IN A WAY WHERE THEY CAN BE ADDRESSED WITHOUT HYPERBOLE AND OTHER THINGS, LIKE THE CONCRETE THINGS PEOPLE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO. AND SO, THAT'S MY QUESTION AND AND CONCERN AS WE AMEND THE MOTION. MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO, I, I MOVE THAT WE AS A BOARD COMPOSE A LETTER THAT ENCOURAGES THE CITY COUNCIL TO DEMAND THAT DPD PRIORITIZE DALLAS RESIDENTS OVER FEDERAL AGENCIES WHEN IT COMES TO COLLABORATION. CAN IT BE BROADER THAN THAT, UH, AS NECESSARY DIFFERENT TO MAKE THE SAME POINT? THAT'S THE QUESTION. I DON'T, IT CAN BE AS BROAD AS WE NEED IT TO BE RIGHT NOW FOR THIS MEETING, BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET A VOTE THAT WE'RE GONNA WRITE A LETTER ABOUT THIS TOPIC, AND THEN WE'VE GOT A MONTH TO WORKSHOP IT AND COMMITTEE, AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT MEETS LEGAL REQUIREMENTS AND THE SATISFACTION OF THE ENTIRE BOARD. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS, IS YOUR MOTION AS AMENDED THAT THE LETTER BE TARGETED AT, SO THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DON'T ASSIST IIS? THAT'S THE, THAT, BECAUSE IF THAT'S THE NOTHING'S GONNA HAPPEN. NO, THAT'S WHY I'M CONCERNED. NOT AT ALL. I, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THE LETTER, THE GIST OF THE LETTER SHOULD BE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE CITY MANAGER REQUIRES DPD TO PRIORITIZE DALLAS RESIDENT REQUESTS FOR ASSISTANCE BEFORE THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY. IF, IF, WHAT I THINK SHOULD BE IN THE LETTER IS THAT IF DPD CAN MEET ALL OF THEIR RESPONSE TIMES FOR TIER ONE, TIER TWO, TIER THREE CALLS, AND ALL THE DALLAS RESIDENTS ARE SATISFIED THAT WHENEVER THEY CALL THE COPS, THE COPS SHOW UP IN A FEW MINUTES, [01:40:01] UM, AND THEY'VE GOT EXTRA TIME ON THEIR HANDS, UH, THEN THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO WITH FEDERAL AGENCIES. AND YOU MENTIONED TAKING THIS TO THE, THE COMMITTEE. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE POLICY COMMITTEE? WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO? YEAH. I, I JUST THINK THAT, WHAT DO YOU SAY, UH, TO SPEED THIS UP? YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT IF WE SEND THIS TO THE POLICY COMMITTEE AND YOU GUYS CAN SORT THAT ALL OUT AND THEN, UH, WE WILL, WE WILL READ THE CONTENTS OF THIS LETTER NEXT MEETING. WELL, I, I, I THINK WE, I THINK WE NEED TO, TO VOTE THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO A LETTER MM-HMM . AND THEN IT SHOULD BE KICKED TO POLICY MM-HMM . TO ACTUALLY COMPOSE THE LETTER. YEAH. RUN IT THROUGH LEGAL AND THE REST OF THE BOARD SOUNDS GOOD. SO IS THE AMEN MOTION, UM, YEAH, THAT, UH, THE, THE POLICY COMMITTEE WRITES A LETTER, RIGHT? YEAH. SOUNDS GOOD. UH, COULD YOU RESTATE THE MOTION, PLEASE? SO THE, REPEAT THAT MOTION ONE MORE TIME? UH, I, I MOVE FOR THE 15TH. SECOND . WELL, I'M TRYING TO, TRYING TO MAKE IT BROAD. UM, I, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD COMPOSES AND SUBMITS A LETTER TO THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY COUNCIL, WHICH PRIORITIZES WHICH DEMAND, WHICH MAN , WHICH REQUIRES, WHICH REQUIRES THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT TO PRIORITIZE THE CALLS OF DALLAS RESIDENTS AHEAD OF COLLABORATION WITH FEDERAL AGENCIES, SPECIFICALLY THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY. SHOULD, SHOULD IT HAVE THAT LEVEL OF SPECIFICITY IN THE MOTION? YEAH, I WAS WONDERING IF WE MAKE IT JUST BRAND, YOU KNOW, PRETTY BROAD. YEAH, WE, I, WE, WE CAN, YEAH. YEAH. WE CAN DO IT EVEN BROADER. YEAH. MAY, YOU KNOW, SUGGESTION. POTENTIALLY HE'LL LET WITH THE, WITH THE, THE POLICY COMMITTEE. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO NEED TO WORK IT OUT IN COMMITTEE. I SUGGEST THE PRIORITIZE THE CITIZENS' CALLS. LET'S, LET'S MAKE IT MORE VAGUE THAN THAT. LET'S, I'M GONNA, I'M WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GONNA MAKE A MOTION. I NEED SOMEONE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE POLICY COMMITTEE RIGHTS, AND YOU GUYS IN THE POLICY COMMITTEE WILL TALK THROUGH THIS, AND THEN WE WILL BRING IT TO THE RAIDER BOARD. SO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. CORRECT? I, I, I MOVE, I, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION THAT WE VOTE ON SENDING A LETTER TO THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY COUNCIL, WHICH PRIORITIZES DALLAS RESIDENTS OVER ANYONE ELSE? OVER ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. THERE'S BEEN A MOTION. HAS IT BEEN, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. SECONDED BY MRS. KING. AND I THINK IT HAS ALSO, UH, ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE WE TAKE THIS TO A VOTE? OKAY. UM, SINCE THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL DO A, A ROLL CALL VOTE AS WELL. DISTRICT TWO, JONATHAN MAPLES. DISTRICT TWO? YES. DISTRICT THREE. TONGA HIGGINS. DISTRICT THREE? YES. DISTRICT FOUR. DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH? YES. DISTRICT SIX. DEREK PEGAN. DISTRICT SIX? YES. DIS. DISTRICT EIGHT, JUDGE. C DR. LANDER. DISTRICT EIGHT? YES. DISTRICT 10. DISTRICT 10. JENNY KING? YES. DISTRICT 13. JULIA SIMON, DISTRICT 13? YES. DISTRICT 14. DISTRICT 14. BRANDON FRIEDMAN. YES. DISTRICT 15. JOHN MARK DAVIDSON. UH, YES. THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. UH, WE GOT A, A TASK FOR THE POLICY COMMITTEE, AND WE WILL LOOK FORWARD TO READING THAT DRAFT, UH, AT OUR NEXT MEETING. THANK YOU, UH, FOR THAT. AND I THINK WE, WE, UH, DID SOME GOOD WORK TODAY. WE GOT SOME ACTION ITEMS IN THE WORK, AND WE DO ASK, UH, MAYBE NEXT MEETING IF WE COULD HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE, UH, GIVE US A, UH, MR. UH, ALVAREZ, IF YOU COULD COME AND JUST GIVE US AN UPDATE, UH, DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT LETTER. UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE NOW, UH, TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA. WE'VE APPROVED THE MINUTES, AND NOW I'D LIKE TO, UH, INVITE, UH, TO AGENDA ITEM 5 9 1 1. DISPATCH. THIS IS A FOLLOW UP, UH, TO A BOARD'S REQUEST FROM THE JANUARY 13, UH, MEETING ASSISTANT DIRECTOR ROBERT VE THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, SIR. UH, WE APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR PRESENCE AND WE'D LOVE TO LEARN, UH, FROM YOU, UM, ABOUT THIS NUMBER ONE DISPATCH BASED ON OUR, OUR FORM, OUR LAST MEETING. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOOD EVENING. AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TODAY. MY NAME'S ROBERT VE, I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S 9 1 1 BUREAU. UH, AND TODAY'S PRESENTATION, UH, I INTEND TO WALK YOU THROUGH HOW A NINE ONE ONE CALL IS RECEIVED, EVALUATED, PRIORITIZED, AND DISPATCHED, UM, SO THAT YOU HAVE AN OVERALL UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE, OF THE PROCESSES AND THE SAFEGUARDS AND OVERSIGHT THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THESE CALL PROCESSES, UH, MOVE A POLICE CALL FOR SERVICE FROM A CITIZEN TO A POLICE OFFICER. UH, OUR GOAL TODAY IS TO PROVIDE CLARITY AROUND HOW CRITICAL DECISIONS ARE MADE IN REAL TIME BY OUR CALL TAKERS AND DISPATCHERS. NOW, WITH THAT CONTEXT, I'LL [01:45:01] BEGIN BY OUTLINING THE ROLE OF THE 9 1 1 COMMUNICATION CENTER AND HOW A CALL FOR SERVICE ENTERS INTO OUR SYSTEM. NEXT SLIDE. SO, OUR 9 1 1 CENTER, UH, OPERATES AS THE FIRST POINT OF CONTACT FOR A CITIZEN WHENEVER THEY'RE MAKING A 9 1 1 CALL. NOW, WE'LL, WE'LL RECEIVE EMERGENCY AND NON-EMERGENCY CALLS 24 7 365 DAYS OUT OF THE YEAR. UH, NOW THE CALL TAKER ANALYSTS WILL, UH, EVALUATE THE INFORMATION THAT, THAT WE RECEIVE. UH, THEY'LL DETERMINE THE RESPONSE TIME, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY ASSIGN THE APPROPRIATE RESOURCES THAT COULD BE FIRE, EMS, UH, POLICE OFFICERS, UH, THAT ARE NEEDED TO THE SCENE, ET CETERA. SO THEN WE ALSO COORDINATE THE REAL TIME, UH, COMMUNICATION BETWEEN CALLERS, DISPATCHERS, AND THE RESPONDENT ELEMENTS. SO HOW DO WE RECEIVE THESE CALLS? SO THE, THEY'RE, THESE CALLS ARE RECEIVED THROUGH THE NINE ONE ONE, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY PHONE SYSTEM, I THINK IS A LITTLE TOO CLOSE. THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE TOO CLOSE TO ME. UH, NON-EMERGENCY CALLS ALSO MAY BE RECEIVED, UH, THROUGHOUT THE NATION. WE HAVE A 10 DIGIT LINE THAT, UH, CITIZENS AND OTHER AGENCIES AND CALL US, UH, THROUGH AS WELL. UH, AND THEN CALL CALLS ARE AUTOMATICALLY ROUTED TO TRAIN, UH, POLICE CALL ANALYSTS. UM, NOW WE RECEIVE A LOT OF INFORMATION THROUGH THESE CALLS. SOME OF IT IS JUST DIGITAL. UH, SO WE HAVE ENHANCED CALLER INFORMATION THAT, UH, GETS ROUTED THROUGH THESE CALLS THAT INCLUDE NAME, PHONE NUMBER, LOCATION DATA, AND, AND OTHER, OTHER PIECES OF DATA THAT WE USE. UH, OFTEN FOR MOST CALLS, UH, THE CALL ANALYST HAS A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITIES, SO THEY HAVE TO OBTAIN, I'M SORRY, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO, UH, ONE MORE, I GOT A LITTLE AHEAD OF MYSELF HERE. SO, OUR, UH, TEAM WILL OFTEN, UH, WILL OBTAIN CRITICAL INFORMATION THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF ANY CALL USING STANDARDIZED QUESTIONS THAT WE ASK OF EVERY CALLER. WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND, UH, THEIR LOCATION, UH, THE NATURE OF WHAT'S GOING ON AT THAT MOMENT, UH, AND ANY IMMEDIATE SAFETY CONCERNS. THE, THE, SO CALLERS OFTEN WILL GET A VERY STANDARDIZED SET OF QUESTIONS, WHICH SOMETIMES SEEMS REDUNDANT TO THEM, BUT THEY'RE VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE CALL PROCESSING AND HOW WE'RE PRIORITIZING THESE CALLS. SO THOSE ANALYSTS ARE NOW GONNA ASSESS THE URGENCY AND THE RISK FACTORS. ARE THERE ANY WEAPONS OR IS THERE ANY ALCOHOL OR DRUGS INVOLVED? OR IS THERE ANY OTHER ONGOING THREATS THAT MIGHT BE INVOLVED IN ANY GIVEN CALL? UH, THEN THERE THEY HAVE TO DOCUMENT ALL THAT INFORMATION EFFECTIVELY SO THAT THE, UH, DISPATCHER CAN RELAY ALL THAT INFORMATION TO THE POLICE OFFICER. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO, TO REVISIT A LITTLE BIT ON HOW WE PRIORITIZE THE CALL, UH, SO WE DETERMINE, UM, OUR CALLS, UH, THE, THE PRIORITY OF THE CALLS BASED ON OUR DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT PROTOCOLS. UH, THEY'RE GUIDED BY THE TYPE OF INCIDENT, YOU KNOW, HOW IMMEDIATE IS THE THREAT AT THIS TIME. AND ANY POTENTIAL FOR HARM IN GENERAL REALLY ELEVATES THE, THE LEVEL OF THE, OF THE PRIORITY FOR OUR INCIDENTS. UM, NOW THIS HELPS ENSURE THAT MOST OF THESE CALLS ARE, UH, ARE ASSIGNED AS TIMELY AS POSSIBLE. UH, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE, UH, RESPOND TO THE IMMEDIATE THREATS, UH, MOST URGENTLY. UM, WE ALSO PROVIDE SUPERVISORS THAT HELP GUIDE AND, AND PROVIDE OVERSIGHT TO OUR CALL ANALYSTS AND OUR DISPATCH TEAM, UH, SO THAT IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL ASSISTANCE THAT THEY NEED TO HELP PRIORITIZE THESE INCIDENTS, UH, THEY PROVIDE THAT IN REAL TIME. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO NOW, ONCE THIS INFORMATION GETS ENTERED INTO THE COMPUTER AIDED DISPATCH SYSTEM, UH, THE, ALL THAT INFORMATION GETS TRANSFERRED ELECTRONICALLY TO THE, UH, DISPATCHER WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE AREA IN WHICH THAT INCIDENT IS OCCURRING. SO THESE ARE, THESE DISPATCHERS ARE ASSIGNED TO GEOGRAPHIC AREAS. UM, AND, UH, THE, THE CUES ARE, UH, THE CALLS ARE OBVIOUSLY QUEUED BY PRIORITY. AND, AND SO WE ANSWER THOSE, UH, TOP PRIORITY FIRST. UM, AND ALL OBVIOUSLY, UH, UH, THE HIGH PRIORITY CALLS ARE OF, OF IMMEDIATE, UH, OF IMMEDIATE NATURE, ARE BROUGHT TO THE DISPATCHER'S ATTENTION. THEY HAVE A BRIGHT COLOR THAT POPS UP IN FRONT OF 'EM, UH, THAT NOTIFIES THEM, UM, VISUALLY, UH, AND IT NOTIFIES EVERYBODY INVOLVED AS WELL AS THE OFFICERS AS, UH, OUT IN THE STREETS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO NOW THE DISPATCHER, WHEN THEY RECEIVE THE CALL, THEY HAVE A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITIES AS WELL. SO THEY HAVE, THEY ALSO HAVE TO REVIEW THE DETAILS WITHIN, UH, WHAT THE CALL [01:50:01] TAKE, THE CALL ANALYST IS SENDING TO 'EM. UH, THEY'LL ASSIGN THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF PATROL RESOURCES OR SPECIALIZED RESOURCES THAT THEY MIGHT NEED TO ANY PARTICULAR CALL. AND THEN THEY'LL MAINTAIN THE, UH, VARIOUS FORMS OF COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE OFFICERS, WHETHER IT'S VIA RADIO, WHETHER IT'S VIA MESSAGING, UH, AND PROVIDE AS MUCH INFORMATION TO THE OFFICERS BEFORE THEY ARRIVE TO THE SCENE AS WELL. UH, AND THEN THEY, UH, THEY'LL UPDATE THE, THE OFFICERS WITH NEW DETAILS AS IF THE CALL CONTINUES TO EVOLVE WHILE WE'RE IN ROUTE TO THOSE INCIDENTS. SO, SO THE DISPATCHER HAS A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITIES BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT JUST HANDLING ONE CALL AT A TIME. THEY'RE HANDLING EVERY CALL THAT'S THERE, EVERY OFFICER THAT MIGHT BE ASSIGNED A DIFFERENT CALLS. UH, SO THEY, THEY PROVIDE A VERY VALUABLE SERVICE TO OUR POLICE OFFICERS OUT IN THE STREETS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. NOW, THE DISPATCHERS, THE WAY THEY COMMUNICATE TO THE OFFICERS, UH, PRIMARILY IS GONNA BE OVER THE RADIO. AND SO WHAT THEY'RE DOING AT THAT INITIAL CALL, UH, UH, ASSIGNMENT IS THEY'LL, THEY'LL GIVE THE, THE OFFICERS THE LOCATION OF THE INCIDENT, THE, THE TYPE OF INCIDENT, AND THEN PROVIDE AS MANY OF THE DETAILS, SUSPECT INFORMATION, UH, AS POSSIBLE. AND, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA PROVIDE UPDATED INFORMATION SHOULD THE CALL BE EVOLVING, UH, A AS IT'S AS, UM, AS THEY'RE RE UH, RESPONDING TO THE SCENE. UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. NOW, OUR POLICE OFFICERS, MOST POLICE OFFICERS, OBVIOUSLY IN OUR PATROL VEHICLES WILL HAVE MOBILE DATA COMPUTERS. UH, SO THEY'RE ABLE TO SEE ALL THESE DETAILS AS WELL. UH, THEY WILL SEE THOSE UPDATES, UH, BUT AGAIN, WE, WE UTILIZE A DISPATCHER TO PROVIDE THOSE, UH, THOSE REAL TIME UPDATES AS THE CALLS EVOLVE IN OVER THE, OVER THE POLICE RADIO SO THAT, UH, THE OFFICERS CAN FOCUS ON, UM, ON DRIVING TO THE SCENE. UH, AND THEN OF COURSE, UH, WE, WE ARE, UM, PROVIDING MULTIPLE OTHER LAYERS OF INFORMATION LIKE RELEVANT, UH, UH, LOCATION DATA OF INCIDENTS THAT IT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED THERE OVER THE PREVIOUS, UH, PREVIOUS WEEKS OR DAYS. UH, AND, AND THEN, UM, UH, WHEN APPLICABLE, WE, WE PROVIDE, UH, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UH, LIKE WARRANTS, UH, INFORMATION AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT MIGHT BE, UH, AT THAT LOCATION. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO, TO, TO BECOME A CALL ANALYST, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN INTENSIVE, UH, TRAINING PROGRAM. SO WE PROVIDE COMPREHENSIVE INITIAL TRAINING COVERING ALL THESE CALL HANDLING ASPECTS THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING TODAY. WE, WE FOCUS HEAVILY ON THE PRIORITIZATION AND OFFICER SAFETY AND ALL, ALL THE DETAILS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO STANDARDIZE THE QUESTIONS FOR, UH, UH, FOR THE PROCESSING OF THE CALL THERE. THERE'S A, A VERY, UM, UM, STRUCTURED WAY TO OBTAIN THE INFORMATION BECAUSE WE HAVE TO START WITH AN ADDRESS AS AN EXAMPLE. UH, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE ADDRESS, NO MATTER WHAT ELSE IS HAPPENING, WE CAN'T HELP YOU. SO WE START WITH THE ADDRESS AND THEN GO ON THROUGH, UH, VARIOUS OTHER, UH, UH, ASPECTS OF WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE SCENE, THE SUSPECT INFORMATION, THE OTHER DETAILS THAT, THAT BECOME VERY RELEVANT, OBVIOUSLY AS SOON AS WE UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE HAVING TO RESPOND TO. UM, SO WE ALSO PROVIDE ONGOING IN-SERVICE TRAINING. UM, WE LICENSE EVERY, UH, CALL ANALYST AND DISPATCHER AS TELECOMMUNICATORS, UH, THROUGH THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON LAW ENFORCEMENT. UH, SO, UH, THOSE TRAINING PROTOCOLS ARE VERY, UM, STRUCTURED AND, AND EFFECTIVE IN, IN HOW WE MANAGE OUR PERSONNEL AS WELL. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO WE PROVIDE A LOT OF RESOURCES TO SUPPORT OUR, UH, CALL TAKER AND DISPATCHER DECISIONS. UH, THE COMPUTER AIDED DISPATCH IS ONE OF THE PRIMARY WAYS WE DO THAT. UH, THAT SYSTEM PROVIDES, UM, UM, STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE INFORMATION AT, AT A TOUCH OF A BUTTON, UH, SO THAT THEY CAN REVIEW ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AS THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THIS. UH, THE, UH, DATA THAT'S BEING PRESENTED FROM THE 9 1 1 CALL, UH, THROUGH FOR, FROM CELL PHONE LOCATIONS, UH, AND VARIOUS OTHER PIECES OF DATA ARE ESSENTIAL. UH, SO ALL THAT HELPS SUPPORT, UH, THE CALL TAKER AND THE DISPATCHER IN, IN THEIR ROLE, UH, IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR SERVICE. SO WE ALWAYS ARE, UH, LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN IMPROVE. SO WE FREQUENTLY AUDIT OUR TEAMS. UH, WE REVIEW CALLS, UH, TO ENSURE THAT THE QUALITY OF, OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE PUTTING OUT FOR THE OFFICERS, UH, FOR US TO RESPOND, UH, IS EFFECTIVE. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE TALK, UH, A LOT WITH OUR STAFF AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK AND, AND PROVIDE THEM WITH PERFORMANCE ANALYSIS. UM, AND SO, SO WE'RE VERY IN TUNE WITH, UH, ENSURING THAT OUR STAFF ARE HIGHLY TRAINED AND EFFECTIVE FOR [01:55:01] OUR CITIZENS. OKAY. SO WITH THAT, UH, THAT, THAT KIND OF BRINGS US TO THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NO, IT WAS REALLY CLEAR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. YOU GUYS WAITING ON ME? YEP. OH MAN, I APOLOGIZE. NO, YOU'RE OKAY. I APOLOGIZE. NO, YOU'RE ONLY, ONLY 30 SECONDS. ALRIGHT, UH, WELL THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, MR. URIBE, UH, FOR THAT PRESENTATION AND, UH, FOR YOUR TIME HERE. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO NOW INVITE, UM, FOR AGENDA ITEM SIX, DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, YEAR OVER YEAR PRIORITY RESPONSE TIME, BE A COMPARISON. MAJOR STEPHEN, A BISHOP, AND ALSO, UH, THE POLICY, UH, ANALYST SIERRA OBA. AND, UM, THIS IS ALSO, UH, UH, SPEAKING ABOUT, UH, THERE IS ON IN THE BOARD PACKET A MEMO OF DPD JANUARY, YEAR OVER YEAR RESPONSE TIME DATA. MS. OBSU, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. AND, UH, THANK YOU, UH, MAJOR BISHOP AS WELL FOR BEING HERE TODAY. WE APPRECIATE IT. YES, SIR. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. AGAIN, I'M SIERRA OSU, THE OCPO POLICY ANALYST, AND TO MY RIGHT IS MAJOR BISHOP. HE AND I WORKED TOGETHER TO, UM, FORMULATE THIS CUSTOMIZED REPORT THAT WILL BE IN YOUR BINDERS MONTHLY TO COMPARE YEAR OVER YEAR J DATA FOR THAT MONTH. THIS MEMO IS AN OVERVIEW OF A YEAR OVER YEAR COMPARISON OF PRIORITY CALLS FOR SERVICE IN THE CORRESPONDING RESPONSE TIMES BY DIVISION FOR THE MONTH OF JANUARY. OVERALL, DIVISIONS SHOW IMPROVEMENTS AND RESPONSE TIMES ACROSS MOST PRIORITIES COMPARED TO JANUARY OF 2025. SOUTH, CENTRAL AND SOUTHWEST ARE THE ONLY DIVISION SHOWING AN INCREASE IN PRIORITY TWO RESPONSE TIMES WITH SOUTH CENTRAL HAVING A 19% INCREASE IN SOUTHWEST AT A 11.8% INCREASE. THE MOST SUBSTANTIAL OVERALL CITYWIDE AVERAGES REFLECT IMPROVEMENTS IN PRIORITY THREE AND FOUR, SPECIFICALLY IN NORTHEAST AND SOUTHEAST DIVISIONS. AND AGAIN, THIS REPORT WILL BE, UH, GENERATED MONTHLY FOR YOUR BOARD MEETINGS. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS TIME? JUST, JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION SO I KNOW HOW TO READ THIS CHART. YEAH. UM, SO SAY CENTRAL DIVISION PRIORITY ONE CALLS IN 2025 OR 7.6 IN 20 26, 6 0.4, 7.6, WHATS AND 6.4 WHATS OH, MIN MINUTES. YES MA'AM. I'M SORRY. MINUTES. SORRY. SO, OKAY, SO THESE ARE IMPROVEMENTS, CORRECT. OKAY. SO THE NUMBERS YOU SEE IN GREEN, OKAY. SO, SO NEGATIVE 15, IT MEANS THE CALL TIME IS DOWN 15.8%. CORRECT. WHEN YOU SEE RED IT MEANS OR FASTER? CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO, UH, I HAVE A QUESTION AS WELL. SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS 25, I'M, I'M IN NORTHWEST JUST FOR POINT OF REFERENCE. SO 2025 PRIORITY ONES, IS THAT NINE MINUTES? NINE NINE MINUTES, CORRECT? CORRECT. AND SO 2026 IS ACTUALLY YEAR TO DATE. SO WE'RE ROUGHLY SIX WEEKS IN. RIGHT. SO IT'S THE MONTH FROM, SO JANUARY OF 2025 TO JANUARY OF 10 26. AH, OKAY. SO THIS IS, THIS DOESN'T INCORPORATE THE WHOLE YEAR, THIS IS JUST MONTH TO MONTH? NO. AH, OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE THEN. OKAY, BECAUSE I WAS ABOUT TO SAY WE'RE IN BIG TROUBLE. OKAY. THANK YOU. . HEY, MAJOR, I JUST WANNA, I MEAN, CON CONGRATULATE YOU, COMMEND YOU, I SEE A BUNCH OF GREEN NUMBERS HERE, UH, ACROSS ALL THE BOARD. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE SUCCESS, UH, OF RESPONSE TIME FROM JANUARY 25 TO 26? [02:00:03] SO THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, EXCUSE ME, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WE'VE BEEN IN, UH, DISCUSSIONS COMMAND STAFF AND MR. REBE. AND WE'VE BEEN DEVELOPING, UH, STRATEGIES, UH, TO ASSIST WITH RESPONSE TIME. SO SOME OF THOSE ARE THE WAY IN WHICH WE DISPATCH CALLS, UH, WHETHER IT'S A CALL IN THE ORDER WAS RECEIVED, OR, UH, ALLOWING THE DIS THE, UH, FIELD SUPERVISORS TO MAKE DECISIONS ON, WE NEED TO GET TO THIS CALL FIRST RATHER THAN THIS ONE. THAT MIGHT HAVE COME IN A FEW MINUTES QUICKER. WE ARE ALSO MAKING MOVES TO, OR HAVE DONE SOME THINGS WITH THE PRIORITY THREES AND FOUR CALLS TO ALLOW THOSE. SOME OF THOSE ARE JUST REPORT CALLS. SO INSTEAD OF WAITING THOSE NINE HOURS FOR SOMEBODY TO SHOW UP BECAUSE YOUR CAR WAS BROKEN INTO, YOU CAN RE REPORT THAT OVER THE PHONE. UH, IT'S THE SAME POLICE REPORT NUMBER, SAME PROCESS. YOU GET ALL THE SAME INFORMATION. SO BY, BY, BY SIMULTANEOUSLY CHANGING THE QUICKNESS OF WHICH WE GET OFFICERS TO THE SCENE FOR THE PRIORITY ONES AND TWOS THROUGH SOME PROCESSES WITHIN OUR, OUR DEPARTMENT AND THE PATROL DIVISIONS ON THE BACK END, THEN WE'RE TRYING TO GET MORE REPORT CALLS HANDLED WITHOUT HAVING TO WAIT FOR OFFICERS TO RESPOND. SO IF YOU MARRY THOSE TWO ACROSS THAT TIME PERIOD, THE, THE REDUCTIONS AREN'T SURPRISING GIVEN PARTICULARLY SOME OF THE CALL LOADS AND PRIORITY CALLS THAT COME IN FOR, UH, SOME OF THE DIVISIONS, WHICH IS WHY YOU MAY SEE, UH, THE RED IN SOME OF THE AREAS. UM, DO YOU, DO YOU FEEL LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING PROJECTING AT, UH, JANUARY, 2027, I MEAN, IS THERE EVEN ROOM FOR, IS THERE WAYS THAT THE RESPONSE MAP COULD EVEN GET EVEN FASTER THAN IT IS NOW? OR ARE WE GONNA CONTINUE TO SEE GREEN OR IS YOU THINK IT'S GONNA PLATEAU? 'CAUSE THIS, I MEAN THIS IS A HUGE JUMP AS WE SPEAK FROM 25 TO 26. MY HONEST OPINION IS, I BELIEVE, SO IF WE CONTINUE WITH SOME OF THE POLICY CHANGES WE'RE MAKING BEHIND THE SCENES TO ALLOW OFFICERS, MORE OFFICERS TO BE FREER, PLUS ADDING OFFICERS TO PATROL BY THE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE THAT WE'RE HIRING, THOSE TWO THINGS, I, I, I WOULD BE VERY SURPRISED IF NEXT JANUARY WHEN I'M SITTING HERE TALKING TO YOU THAT WE DON'T SEE A DECREASE FROM 2026. THANK YOU. YES, MS. SIMON JUST GOT ONE QUICK QUESTION. UM, UM, I'M CURIOUS, WHEN SOMEONE CALLS WITH, LET'S SAY, WELL, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE PRIORITY IS, IS ARE THEY GIVEN AN ESTIMATED TIME THAT THE, UM, OFFICERS MIGHT ARRIVE? SO IF I CALL WITH A PRIORITY FOR, I DON'T KNOW, SOMEBODY BROKE INTO MY GARAGE OR SOMETHING, UM, DO, DO THEY SAY, OKAY, OFFICERS WILL BE THERE, UM, THEY'LL GET BACK WITH YOU? WHAT? LIKE, LIKE DO DO I GET A TIMEFRAME JUST SO I KNOW, LIKE DON'T EXPECT THEM LIKE IN THE NEXT HOUR OR JUST, I'M CURIOUS. SO THAT WOULD BE MORE OF A QUESTION FOR MR. REBE, BUT JUST FROM WHAT I KNOW, HAVING SPENT MOST OF MY CAREER OUT THERE, YEAH, YEAH. IS NO, THERE'S NO REASONABLE WAY WE COULD SAY THAT WE IS, YOU HAVE HALF THE DIVISION FREE. WHEN THAT CALL COMES IN, YOU SAY, WELL, WE'LL BE THERE IN 15 MINUTES AND THEN A MAJOR INCIDENT TAKES PLACE, RIGHT. OR TWO OR THREE MAJOR INCIDENTS THAT SUCK ALL YOUR RESOURCES. NOW YOU'RE WAITING SEVEN OR EIGHT HOURS. SO I DON'T, I I DON'T BELIEVE THEY WOULD EVEN HAVE AN ESTIMATE. THEY COULD GIVE AN INDIVIDUAL ON HOW FAST IT WOULD TAKE. I'M JUST CURIOUS. THANKS JUDGE LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT. UM, YOU'VE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB WITH MOST OF THESE NUMBERS, BUT DISTRICT EIGHT WHERE I REPRESENT IS SOUTHEAST, SOUTHWEST AND SOUTH CENTRAL AND, UH, SOUTH CENTRAL IS UP IN DIS IN PRIORITY TWO AND SOUTHWEST IS UP IN PRIORITY TWO. IS THERE ANY EXPLANATION WHY THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO REDS OUT OF THIS ENTIRE GREEN? YES, SIR. AND IF I, IF I MIGHT TAKE A LOOK HERE REAL QUICK. THE, TO PUT IT SIMPLY IS THE GREATER VOLUME OF CALLS WITH NOT A GREATER INCREASE OF OFFICERS AT THAT WATCH TIME. SO, UH, MY EXAMPLE WOULD BE IF IN ALL, WE HAVE EIGHT DIVISIONS NOW, BUT OF ALL EIGHT DIVISIONS DURING THE THREE TO 11 SHIFT, YOU HAVE ROUGHLY 10 TO 15 OFFICERS JUST THROWING A NUMBER OUT. THEY HAVE MORE THAN THAT, BUT JUST, JUST TO MAKE A ROUGH NUMBER AT EACH WATCH FOR EACH DIVISION. AND ONE DIVISION GETS 25 PRIORITY TWO CALLS AND ANOTHER DIVISION GETS 200 PRIORITY TWO CALLS, IT'S GONNA TAKE LONGER FOR THAT DIVISION THAT GETS 200 TO GET THEM SAME NUMBER OF OFFICERS FREE TO GET TO THOSE CALLS. AND THAT'S A LOT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING WHEN I'VE [02:05:01] ANALYZED SOME OF THE STAFFING TIME AT STAFFING LEVELS AT A CERTAIN RANK AND BELOW, BASICALLY THE CALL ANSWERS, YOU'RE NOT SEEING HUGE DIFFERENCES BY DIVISION OR WATCH IN NUMBERS, BUT YOU ARE SEEING HUGE INCREASES OR DECREASES SHIFTS OR CHANGES IN THE NUMBER OF CALLS THEY'RE, THEY'RE ANSWERING PER SHIFT. SO YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THE NUMBER OF CALLS IS THE REASON WHY THERE'S A 19% INCREASE IN SOUTH CENTRAL AND AN 11, ALMOST NINE, ALMOST 12% INCREASE IN PRIORITY TWO IN, UH, SOUTHWEST, IS THAT RIGHT? OH, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS, YES SIR. BUT YOU HAVE OTHER, IT, IT, IT, BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT AVERAGES. IF YOU HAD ONE OR TWO NIGHTS THAT WERE REALLY BAD, UH, SEVERAL MAJOR INCIDENTS AND IT TOOK SIGNIFICANTLY LONGER TO GET TO THOSE PRIORITY TWO CALLS THAT WOULD PULL YOUR AVERAGES HIGHER. SO UNLESS, UNTIL I WOULD DRILL DOWN INTO INDIVIDUAL DAYS TO SEE WHAT THAT DIFFERENCE WAS, UH, OR NUMBER OF CALLS THAT THEY RECEIVED, UH, OR OUR SOUTHERN, UH, PART OF THE CITY IS ALSO GROWING SO MUCH. UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE, UH, UH, FINDINGS FROM THE KPMG FOLKS THAT WE, THAT WE, UH, HAD TO, UH, SOME OF OUR ANALYSIS ON, ON OTHER RESPONSE TIME DATA. AND THEY'RE SEEING THAT THE, THE INCREASE IN POPULATION AND TRAFFIC IN THE SOUTHERN DIVISIONS HAS ALSO GROWN. SO AGAIN, IF YOU GROW THAT THE NUMBER OF CALLS, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, BUT YOUR OFFICERS ARE SAYING ROUGHLY THE SAME PER SHIFT ACROSS ALL DIVISIONS, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME OF THOSE. I, I'M ACTUALLY, UH, WAS AMAZED 'CAUSE I EXPECTED TO SEE MORE RED WHEN I FIRST RUN THE NUMBERS IN SOME OF THE OTHER DIVISIONS FOR THE PRIORITY THREES AND ONES, BUT I DID. SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A HUGE CREDIT TO THE DEPARTMENT AND SOME OF THE CHANGES THEY'RE MAKING. WELL, I'M NOT NEGATING THAT AND I THINK YOU'VE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB WITH RESPECT TO, UH, PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY IN THE CITY EXCEPT FOR THE PEOPLE I REPRESENT. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THAT PRIORITY TOO, BEING SO GLARING. UM, WHEN YOU'VE GOT BLUE, I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, YOU'VE GOT GREEN ALL OVER EVERYWHERE ELSE AND DONE, YOU KNOW, 25% LESS, 50% LESS, BUT YET I'M LOOKING AT 19% MORE. AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A REAL CONCERN. IT'S GONNA BE A CONCERN TO MY COUNCIL MEMBER. OH, YES SIR. NO, IT ABSOLUTELY SHOULD BE. BUT REMEMBER YOU'RE LOOKING AT MONTH OF LAST YEAR, MONTH THIS YEAR, THE MONTH MIGHT HAVE BEEN RIGHT, A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT IN SOME EVEN WEATHER. UH, OTHER ASPECTS IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN MUCH DIFFERENT, UH, THAN WHAT'S NOW. UM, BUT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS NOT, UH, OUT OF THE ORDINARY AS I WAS SAYING, THAT SOME OF THE SOUTHERN DIVISIONS, BECAUSE OF THOSE VARIED ISSUES, SOMETIMES HAVE, MAY HAVE LONGER RESPONSE TIMES. BUT AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S A CREDIT TO WHAT WE'RE DOING. BUT YOU, ARE YOU, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS, IS THE MONTH TO MONTH DIFFERENCE FROM JANUARY, 2026 TO 20 AND 2025, THE DIFFERENCE THERE. SO I CAN DRILL DOWN FURTHER FOR THAT AND SEE IF I CAN FIND YOU AN ANSWER. I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT, IF THAT'S AT ALL POSSIBLE. I ABSOLUTELY, BECAUSE, UM, I'M GOING TO GET THAT QUESTION AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE AN ANSWER. I'LL GIVE YOU MY CARD WHEN I LEAVE AND YOU CAN EMAIL ME. I THANK YOU SIR. YES, SIR. AND THANK YOU FOR A VERY BROAD AND VERY WELL DONE REPORT. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU MAJOR AND SIERRA. BUT I, I HAVE A, I HAVE A, ANOTHER QUESTION. IS THERE, IS THERE A BENCHMARK AS TO THE AMOUNT OF CALLS YOU RECEIVED TO GET TO THIS PERCENTAGE? SO, SO MY QUESTION IS, HOW MANY CALLS DID YOU TAKE TO FORMULATE THIS DECISION? OR IS IT JUST BASED ON ALL THE CALLS THAT CAME IN AND ONCE THEY WERE BROKEN DOWN. SO RUN THOSE NUMBERS BY DIVISION. BY DIVISION. SO THAT'S EACH DIVISION. SO THOSE, WHAT YOU SEE IS THOSE AVERAGES WAS WHATEVER THE NUMBER OF CALLS THEY RECEIVED FOR PRIORITY 1, 2, 3, OR FOUR, THAT WAS THEIR AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME FOR THAT PRIORITY WITHIN THAT DIVISION. OKAY. SO ONE ANOTHER THING WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS BY, BY, UH, BY THE NUMBERS, UM, PRIORITY FOUR CALLS ARE A LONG TIME. I MEAN, THEY'RE ALL, NOBODY'S UNDER AN HOUR ON, ON PRIORITY FOUR. AND IN TODAY'S WORLD, ISN'T THERE A WAY, ISN'T THERE A PROGRAM WHERE PEOPLE CAN SELF-REPORT THESE TYPE OF CRIMES? ISN'T THERE SOMETHING SET UP TO WHERE IF, AND, AND I KNOW THAT, UH, WE, YOU DON'T GIVE, UH, AN AVERAGE AMOUNT OF TIME AS IT'S GONNA TAKE FOR A POLICE OFFICER TO GET THERE, BUT IF WE KNOW IT'S GONNA BE MORE THAN 90 MINUTES OR MORE THAN TWO HOURS, THERE'S A WAY FOR A RESIDENT TO SAY, OR A CITIZEN TO SAY, HEY, I CAN TAKE THESE PICTURES AND GIVE A LITTLE STATEMENT AND UPLOAD IT TO SOMEWHERE. YES, SIR. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THAT DOORS PROGRAM, THE DOORS ONLINE REPORTING, WHICH, WHICH INCLUDES A NUMBER OF [02:10:01] PROPERTY CRIMES AND WHICH ARE LOOKING TO EXPAND THAT TO INCLUDE POTENTIALLY MORE OFFENSES. BECAUSE YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. IT'S BETTER TO CALL AND HAVE THE REPORT TAKEN IN 15 MINUTES THAN HOPE THAT YOU'RE HOME BEFORE YOU GO TO WORK IN THE MORNING AND THE OFFICER SHOWS UP. YEAH. UH, THAT'S A REAL CONCERN. THAT'S SOMETHING I RAN INTO A LOT, AND I FEEL FOR THE CITIZENS WHEN THAT HAPPENS. UH, NOW I LIKE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT ONLINE, BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. IT'S CALLED THE DOORS ONLINE PROGRAM. CAN CAN WE GET, CAN WE ADD DOORS TO OUR REPORT JUST SO WE KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE REPORTING? I I CAN RUN NUMBERS FOR THE NUMBER. YEAH, WE, I MEAN, IT'D BE GREAT JUST TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, ON, IN ANY GIVEN MONTH, THIS IS AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE SELF-REPORTING. YES, SIR. I CAN DO THAT. OKAY. THAT'D BE WONDERFUL. I, I'M JUST CURIOUS, ESPECIALLY IN NORTHWEST, AS YOU CAN TELL, WE REALLY CARE ABOUT THIS ISSUE. UH, THANK YOU, MAJOR. UH, THIS IS, UH, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THIS. AND, UH, MR. CHAIR? YES, DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH. I'M SORRY. I HAVE, UH, BY THE WAY, THIS IS, I'M, I'M REALLY HAPPY WITH THIS REPORT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE WORK. BUT WOULD YOU REMIND ME WHAT THE PRIORITY TWO REQUIREMENTS ARE? HOW, HOW DO YOU COME TO THAT? SO, OUR PRIORITY TWO CALLS ARE, ARE ROUGHLY, UH, DEFINED AS URGENT CALLS WHERE THERE'S NOT AN IMMEDIATE THREAT OF DEATH OR SERIOUS BODILY INJURY, LIKE A SHOOTING VERSUS A, UH, A FAMILY ARGUMENT. UM, SO WE HAVE A VAST NUMBER OF PRIORITY TWO CALLS. IT COULD BE A SUSPICIOUS PERSON, IT COULD BE A, UH, RACING SPEEDING CALL. IT COULD BE A, UH, BAR FIGHT, FAMILY DISTURBANCE, MOM AND DAD ARE NOT GETTING ALONG, FIGHTING, SCREAMING, YELLING, WHATEVER. UH, THAT WOULD BE A PRIORITY TWO, UH, VERSUS THE PRIORITY ONE WHERE SOMEBODY'S BEEN SHOT OR BLEEDING OR DEATH COULD OCCUR. AND THEN PRIORITY THREES AND FOURS ARE MOSTLY REPORT RELATED CALLS, OR LOWER, LOWER PRIORITY IN THE SOCIETAL EFFECT THEY HAVE, SUCH AS LOUD MUSIC IS NOT EXACTLY THE SAME AS A ROBBERY IN PROGRESS. SO, YOU KNOW, LOUD MUSIC, SOMEBODY HEARS FIREWORKS AND THEY'RE, UH, DOWN THE STREET OR SOMETHING. UM, THERE'S A LOOSE DOG IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. MIGHT BE A PRIORITY THREE OR FOUR, DEPENDING ON WHAT IT WAS. SO, OKAY, THANK YOU. BECAUSE I DID HAVE A PRIORITY TOO, UM, AND IT TOOK NINE HOURS. THANK YOU. MAJOR. I, I DO HAVE, UH, JUST A FEW MORE QUESTIONS MYSELF, UH, JUST READING THIS REPORT, AND AGAIN, I'M JUST SO ENCOURAGED BY THE GREEN NUMBERS AND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE MADE FROM 25 TO 26. AND I'M JUST, UH, CURIOUS, I KNOW THE AVERAGE FOR PRIORITY ONES HAS 8.5 MINUTES SO FAR, THE AVERAGE, THE AVERAGE FOR PRIORITY TWO IS 71.5 MINUTES, AND THEN AVERAGE FOR PRIORITY THREE IS 115.6 MINUTES. IT'S A LAST PAGE THAT, THAT, AND I WAS CURIOUS, UM, WHAT IS THE GOAL OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT WHEN IT COMES TO RESPONSE TIME? IS THERE A GOAL THAT YOU HAVE THE GOLD STANDARD WHEN IT COMES TO RESPONSE TIME? AND THE REASON I ASK IS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT WRITING A LETTER THAT WOULD, UH, SAY, UM, THAT WE'D LIKE TO UNTIL YOU REACH YOUR GOAL. UH, BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT GOAL IS. AND IS THERE A GOAL, WHAT IS THE GOLD STANDARD? AND, UH, IS IT UNDER FOUR MINUTES FOR PRIORITY ONE, EIGHT MINUTES? WHAT IS THE, THE GOAL OF THE DALLAS TO, WHAT IS THE GOAL OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT WHEN IT COMES TO RESPONSE TIME? SO WE HAVE STATIC GOALS. MM-HMM . THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR DECADES MM-HMM . WHERE THEY COME FROM, I HAVE NO IDEA, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE USE PRIORITY ONES. OUR GOAL IS EIGHT MINUTES, WHICH I BELIEVE IS BROKEN DOWN INTO HOW LONG IT HOLDS IN DISPATCH AND HOW LONG IT TAKES THE OFFICER TO GET THERE FOR A TOTAL OF EIGHT MINUTES. PRIORITY TWOS OR GOALS ARE 12 MINUTES. PRIORITY THREES, I DON'T REMEMBER PRIORITY FOUR 60 MINUTES. SURE. SO, YES. DO WE HAVE GOALS? DO, YES. UH, AS A CRIMINOLOGIST, AS SOMEBODY WHO LOOKS AT THESE NUMBERS ALL THE TIME, I THINK THEY'RE UNREASONABLE AND OUT OF EXPECTATIONS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY CAME FROM. HMM. UM, I STILL HAVEN'T FIGURED THAT OUT. BUT TO SAY, UH, THE, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION [02:15:01] DIRECTLY, WE HAVE STATED GOALS. YES, SIR. AND WHEN IT COMES TO MEASURING THE SUCCESS, DO YOU MEASURE THE AVERAGE OR DO YOU MEASURE PER DISTRICT THAT EIGHT MINUTE STANDARD? CITYWIDE. CITYWIDE. OKAY. SO WHEN THEY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CITYWIDE FOR ALL DIVISIONS FOR PRIORITY ONE CALLS ALL DIVISIONS DURING A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD. MM-HMM . IT'S FOR THE ENTIRE CITY COMBINED IS THE AVERAGE. YEAH. I MEAN, SO 8.5 SECONDS, 8.5 MINUTES, AND THE GOLD STANDARD IS EIGHT FOR PRIORITY ONE. UM, AND, UH, YOU WERE SAYING YOU'RE HOPING THAT THE NUMBERS GO DOWN, SO HOPEFULLY THERE'S A CHANCE 2027 WE'D SEE SUB EIGHT MINUTES WHEN IT COMES TO RESPONSE TIME, I MEAN, YOU'RE GETTING CLOSE. I JUST WANNA COMMEND YOU. YES, SIR. MAJOR, YOU, UH, INDICATED THAT YOUR PRIORITY TWO GOAL IS WHEREVER IT CAME FROM, IS 12 MINUTES. 12 MINUTES. WHAT IS YOUR PRIORITY THREE GOAL? HONESTLY, IS IT 30, 30 MINUTES AND THEN PRIORITY FOURS OR 60? 30 AND 60. ALRIGHT. AND WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE, THOSE GOALS CAME FROM. NOT A CLUE. HAVE THEY BEEN, UH, ASSESSED TO DETERMINE WHETHER THEY'RE ACCURATE AND WHETHER THEY'RE REASONABLE? NO. PERHAPS YOU MIGHT WANT TO HAVE SOMEONE LOOK INTO THAT. UH, YES, SIR. I ALREADY AM. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE, UH, THE DATA THAT YOU PROVIDED. IT'S, IT'S EXCELLENT. AND IT MAKES US FEEL LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAKING PROGRESS, WHICH IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU, MAJOR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? IT APPEARS THAT, UH, WE'VE REALLY HAD A GOOD TIME LOOKING AT THIS DOCUMENT, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, FOR ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS AND, UH, VERY ENCOURAGING. SO THANK YOU MAJOR FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. YES, SIR. OKAY. UH, WE ARE NOW GONNA MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM SEVEN, WHICH IS ETERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION REPORT. I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE ONE AND ONLY MAJOR GONZALEZ, UH, BEFORE US. AND, UM, THERE'S SOME BIG NEWS, DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND I THINK THIS WILL BE NEWS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ALL LOVE MAJOR SOLACE, BUT YOU KNOW, HE'S A SUCCESSFUL MAN. AND, UH, SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO KEEP SUCCESSFUL MEN. UH, BUT WE WANNA EXTEND OUR SINCERE FAREWELL AND BEST WISHES TO MAJOR SOLACE. AND, UM, HIS LAST DAY WILL BE FEBRUARY 24TH, UH, AS THE IAD, UH, CHIEF, OR THE, THE DIRECTOR OF IAD AND, UH, LIEUTENANT MORRIS. MM-HMM . WILL BE, UM, ALSO, HE ALSO, HE'S PARDONED, HE'S LEADING TOO. COME ON, LIEUTENANT. DON'T TELL ME THIS. AND TYLER, I WASN'T PREPARED. WHAT IS, WHAT DOES, WHAT DOES LEAVING MEAN? THEY'RE BEING REASSIGNED TO, OH, OKAY. I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU WERE RETIRING. I'M A LITTLE YOUNGER, SO, AND, UH, LIEUTENANT MORRIS, NOT NECESSARILY. YEAH. MOVE IT CLOSER. UM, SO THEIR LAST DAY, FEBRUARY 24TH, AND WE WANNA WISH THEM CONTINUED SUCCESS IN THEIR FUTURE, UH, ENDEAVORS. UH, WE ALSO WANNA WELCOME MAJOR GABRIELLE RIA, UH, WHO WILL ASSUME THE LEADERSHIP OF THE IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION. HE WAS HERE EARLIER, UH, TODAY, UH, AND HE'S BEEN TO OUR MEETINGS BEFORE. UM, AND SO HE EXPRESSED, UM, EXCITEMENT AND, UH, ABOUT THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE, UH, WITH OUR BOARD, THE OFFICE, AND ALSO IAD. UM, BUT I THINK WE CAN ALL, UH, STAND HERE WITH MAJOR SILAS AND LIEUTENANT MORRIS. UH, WE CAN, WE'RE, WE'RE WITH DEEP GRATITUDE. WE ADDRESSED YOU TODAY, UH, FOR BEING HERE AND, UH, FOR, UH, YOUR PRESENCE AND FOR THE, UH, TIME YOU'VE GIVEN US AS A BOARD AND THE EXPERTISE YOU'VE SHARED WITH US. AND DEPUTY CHIEF STEPHEN WILLIAMS. ADDITIONALLY, DEPUTY CHIEF, CHIEF STEPHEN WILLIAMS WILL OVERSEE THE PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS BUREAU. UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO THEIR LEADERSHIP AND CONTINUE TO COMMITMENT TO TRANSPARENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY, AND INTEGRITY WITHIN THE APARTMENT. BUT I WANNA GIVE THE FLOOR NOW TO, UH, MAJOR GONZALEZ AND LIEUTENANT MORRIS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, UH, FOR THIS BOARD FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS. UH, I WANNA GIVE YOU THE FLOOR. THANK YOU CHAIR. DEAR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, I WANNA TAKE THIS MOMENT TO EXPRESS MY SINCERE APPRECIATION TO EACH OF YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE AND WORK ALONGSIDE THIS BOARD. EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A COUPLE OF MONTHS, IT HAS BEEN AN HONOR TO CONTRIBUTE, LEARN, AND ENGAGE IN MEANINGFUL DISCUSSIONS THAT IMPACT OUR, OUR ORGANIZATION, AND ALSO OUR COMMUNITY. WE SERVE AND AM GRATEFUL FOR THE PROFESSIONALISM, DEDICATION, AND COMMITMENT EACH ONE OF YOU SHOW TO YOUR ROLE. SERVING IN THIS CAPACITY HAS PROVIDED VALUABLE INSIGHT AND EXPERIENCE THAT I WILL CARRY FORWARD INTO MY NEW ASSIGNMENT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, YOUR SERVICE, AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO LEAD WITH PURPOSE. I WISH THE BOARD TO CONTINUE SUCCESS IN THIS KIND OF WORK AND FUTURE ENDEAVORS. [02:20:01] THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAJOR. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, WHAT, I'M SORRY. JUDGE LANDER, WHAT IS YOUR NEW ASSIGNMENT? I'M GOING BACK TO PATROL, SIR NORTHWEST. MR. MAPLES. WONDERFUL. RIGHT ON, MAN. I'LL BE LOOKING FOR YOU. YOU GOT MY NUMBER. LIEUTENANT. HAVE, YOU'VE BEEN SITTING TO THESE MEETINGS FOR A LONG TIME. I WANNA ALSO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO, UH, SAY ANYTHING YOU WANT, MAN. IT'S BEEN GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE. AND, AND, UH, WHAT'S YOUR FUTURE ENTAIL? SO, MY NEW ENDEAVOR, I'M GONNA, I'M BEING TRANSFERRED TO THE FUGITIVE UNIT, SO I'LL BE, UH, THE COMMANDER OVER THE FUGITIVE UNIT. BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I, UH, REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, THE RELATIONSHIP WE'VE BUILT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE ALMOST TWO YEARS, DID HE SAY? AND SINCE DIRECTOR ANDRE HAS BEEN HERE IN SIERRA, ALMA, AND GREG, THIS FO UH, THE FOSTERING OF THIS RELATIONSHIP, I THINK HAS REALLY BUILT A STRONG, UM, CONNECTION HERE. AND SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH THAT THE NEW PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING ARE TOP NOTCH. THE TWO LIEUTENANTS WHO ARE, UH, TAKING OVER MYSELF AND LIEUTENANT TYLER SPOT ARE VERY HARDWORKING, AND THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO FOSTER THIS RELATIONSHIP AS WELL AS THE MAJOR, WHICH Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY MET. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD, WE ARE GREATLY GRATEFUL, DEEPLY GRATEFUL, UH, FOR ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE AND FOR YOUR TIME, YOU'RE EXPERTISE. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN, WE, YOU, YOU NAMED THREE, BUT I ONLY SEE TWO LIEUTENANT TYLER. YEAH. HE'S NOT HERE. OH, OKAY. HE'S IN, WELL, ACTUALLY, YOU NAMED LEADERSHIP. YOU ACTUALLY NAMED FOUR, DIDN'T YOU? WELL, I DID, UH, TWO MAJORS. AND LIEUTENANT MORRIS, WHO WAS THE LAST ONE YOU NAMED? UM, DEPUTY STEVEN WILLIAMS WILL OVERSEE THE PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS BUREAU. OKAY. AND THEN MAJOR GABRIELLE DEL WILL BE, UH, THE LEADER OF, UH, THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION. IAD. OH, OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. YEAH. THANKS GUYS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. BLESSINGS. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, WE'RE NOW AT THE AGENDA ITEM C, WHICH IS A CHAIRMAN'S REPORT, UPDATE ON BOARD AND STAFF ACTIVITIES AND DELIBERATIONS. I DO THINK, UM, WE ONLY HAVE ONE VACANCY RIGHT NOW, SO WE'RE REALLY GONNA TRY HARD, UH, THIS NEXT MONTH TO, UH, BEEF UP AND, AND, UH, THOSE SUBCOMMITTEES. AND, UM, I KNOW THERE'S SOME AGENDA ITEMS ON THE, UH, SUB THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S SHORED UP. AND ALSO, UH, THE, THE TRAINING COMMITTEE. AND, UH, SO I WANTED TO JUST UPDATE THAT. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ON MY, UH, ABOUT THE CHIEF'S MEETING. HMM. THE CHIEF AND VICE CHAIR MEETING? THE CHIEF. OH. OH, YEAH. I DID WANNA SAY, UH, THANK YOU. UH, THANKS. ER, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS LATER. I DID WANNA REPORT THAT, UH, THE VICE CHAIR AND MYSELF. UM, WE DID MEET ALONG WITH A DIRECTOR AND ALSO, UH, THE POLICY ANALYST, SIERRA BO EARLIER THIS WEEK WITH, UH, THE CHIEF OF POLICE OF DALLAS, UH, CHIEF CUOMO, UH, ALONG WITH HIS, UH, SENIOR LEADERSHIP TEAM. UM, AND, UH, IT WAS A GREAT MEETING, UH, ONE THAT WE'LL CONTINUE, UH, TO HAVE ON A REGULAR BASIS. BUT, UH, IT WAS A SUCCESSFUL MEETING WHERE, NUMBER ONE, UH, IN THE PAST FEW, THE PAST SIX MONTHS, UH, THERE'S BEEN SOME, UM, QUESTIONS ABOUT POLICY, UM, THAT WE WANTED TO ADDRESS, UH, WITH THE POLICE, THE CHIEF OF POLICE CO, UH, CUOMO, UH, ONE HAD TO DO WITH, UH, THE USE OF, UH, PROFANE LANGUAGE, THE, UH, THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD AS A BOARD. AND, UH, WE MENTIONED TO HIM THAT WE, AS THE OFFICE, IS GONNA PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL, UH, FOR HIS, UH, DEPARTMENT TO LOOK AT THAT WILL ALLOW THAT POLICY TO BE, UM, BETTER ENFORCED. AND, AND I THINK THE CONCERN THAT WE HAD AS A BOARD WAS THAT IT WASN'T BEING ENFORCED CORRECTLY, AND IT CREATED A, A SENSE OF UNTRUST THAT SOME CLEAR POLICY VIOLATIONS, UH, WERE NOT BEING, UH, SUSTAINED, BUT THEY WERE BEING UNFOUNDED. AND SO, UH, WE'RE, THE OFFICE IS PUTTING TOGETHER A PROPOSAL THAT WE WILL SEND TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND A CHIEF SPECIFICALLY, UH, WITH SOME DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF HOW TO WORD THAT POLICY THAT WE FEEL WOULD CREATE GREATER TRANSPARENCY. UH, AND SO THAT'S IN THE WORKS, AND HE WAS REALLY PLEASED ABOUT THAT ADDITION. AND THEN SECONDLY, UH, WE, UM, TALKED ABOUT SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN, IN INVOLVING, UH, POLICY REGARDING BODY CAM FOOTAGE. UH, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MEETING, THERE'S, UH, THE POLICY WE FELT AS A BOARD, AND ALSO THE OFFICE AS WELL, THAT THERE'S ROOM FOR INTERPRETATION THAT ALLOWS FOR OFFICERS TO TURN OFF THEIR BODY CAM. UM, AND, AND WE DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S WRITTEN AS, AS, AS POWERFUL, UH, TO PREVENT OFFICERS FROM, FROM TURNING THAT OFF. AND SO WE'RE GONNA, THE OFFICE HAS ALSO HAS BEEN DONE, UH, SENT, HAD THEY ALREADY DONE IT. UH, THEY'VE SENT, UH, SOME PROPOSALS TO, UH, THE POLICE CHIEF TO, UH, IMPROVE THAT POLICY. AND SO THESE ARE THINGS I DO WANNA REPORT. THE GOOD THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING, [02:25:01] UM, WITH THE POLICE CHIEF. UH, HE WAS RESPONSIVE TO THAT. AND I DO BELIEVE THE FRUITS OF OUR LABOR, THE FRUITS OF THE COMMUNITY COMING IN AND, UH, TELLING US WE'RE MAKING, UH, THOSE CHANGES TO THE, THE POLICY, WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING THOSE CHANGES. AND IT'LL BE UP TO THE LEADERSHIP OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON WHAT THEY DO. AND WE'LL GET UPDATES, UH, ON THAT AND, UH, GIVE IT TO YOU AS A BOARD. AND THEN WE ALSO, OF COURSE, WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE COLLABORATION, UM, WITH, WITH ICE AND, AND DALLAS PD. AND, UH, DID REQUEST, AGAIN, ANY INFORMATION. UM, AND THE POLICE CHIEF WAS SINCERE. AND, AND HE DID SAY, UM, THAT, UH, HE STANDS BY HIS COMMENTS AT OUR LAST MEETING, UM, ABOUT, UM, THAT INFORMATION COMPROMISING THE SAFETY OF OFFICERS AND, UH, COMPROMISING ANY OF THE OPERATIONS THAT THE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE ASKED, HE HAD HIS RESPONSE, AND I THINK TODAY'S MEETING, UH, WE'RE GOING A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, AND WE'LL SEE WHERE THAT, THAT LEADS. BUT IT WAS A REALLY GOOD MEETING, UH, ONE WHERE I DO BELIEVE, UM, I'M, I'M INSPIRED BY WHAT WE'RE DOING AS A BOARD, AND WE ARE MAKING A DIFFERENCE, I THINK, UM, FROM SOMETHING AS SMALL AS A POLICY REGARDING LANGUAGE. I THINK, UH, WHAT THAT DOES IS THE SMALL THINGS REFLECT THE BIGGER REALITY. AND SO, UM, IT WAS A GOOD MEETING, AND I APPRECIATE THE VICE CHAIR BEING THERE, THE DIRECTOR, AND I WANTED TO REPORT ON THAT. SO, UH, WE'LL MOVE ON NOW TO, UM, UPCOMING MEETINGS. UH, THE NEXT ONE IS MAY, MARCH 10TH. UM, THEN WE HAVE APRIL 14TH, MAY 12TH, JUNE 9TH, AUGUST 11TH. AND JUST NOTE THAT JULY, BECAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL TAKES A RECESS, WE ALSO, AS A BOARD, DO NOT MEET THE MONTH OF JULY. UM, BUT HERE YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, THE DATES AND THE TIME AND THE LOCATION. WE'LL MOVE NOW TO AGENDA ITEM NINE, THE OCPO STAFF REPORT. AND I'D LIKE TO, UH, GIVE THE FLOOR TO THE ONE AND ONLY DIRECTOR OF THE OCPO DIRECTOR MICHELLE ANDRE, FOR HER DIRECTOR'S REPORT. GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS REPORT. I'M HONORED TO SHARE THAT I'VE JOINED THE SCHOLARSHIP SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE ANNUAL CONFERENCE COMMITTEE, WHICH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SELECTING SCHOLARSHIP RECIPIENTS, UM, FOR THE 2026 NACO ANNUAL CONFERENCE HELD IN LOUISVILLE, KENTUCKY THIS YEAR IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, FURTHERING THE AGENDA, POLICY ANALYST, SIERRA OUI, WILL REPORT ON UPCOMING EVENTS AND PROJECTS SENIOR, EACH SPECIALIST, AMMA PEREZ WILL PROVIDE A FURTHER DETAIL OR REVIEW OF OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES FROM JANUARY 13, MEETING TO PRESENT, WHICH WILL BE DISCUSSED LATER IN THE AGENDA. THE SAFE ACRONYM FOR, UM, SOUND ADVICE FOR EFFECTIVE ENCOUNTERS PROGRAM PANEL SCHEDULED FOR JANUARY 30TH WAS CANCELED DUE TO THE INCLEMENT WEATHER. UM, O CPO'S WORKING IN COORDINATING THE CPOB RETREAT EARLIER IN THIS AGENDA. DID WE PHONE THIS? THE, THE BOARD HAS APPROVED. DID WE VOTE ON THAT? ACTUALLY, I DID. JUST REALIZED THAT I DID SKIP THAT AGENDA ITEM ON THE ON THE, UH, THE DISCUSSION FOR THE PROPOSAL. OKAY. I'LL JUST FINISH AND YOU CAN , UM, GO UP, UM, OF THE UPCOMING CPOB RETREAT, AND WE'LL FINALIZE THE MEETING LOCATION AND AGENDA, UM, IN THE COMING WEEKS. AT THE SAME TIME, THE STAFF AND I ARE CONTINUING TO WORK AND FINALIZE THE BOARD MEMBERS ORIENTATION MANUAL FOR GUIDANCE FOR NEW MEMBERS AND THE OCPO STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES FOR STAFF. WERE CONTINUING DISCUSSION WITH INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION REGARDING ADDITIONAL TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE BOARD. UM, ALONGSIDE THESE ACTIVITIES OFFICE, CONTINUE TO COLLABORATE WITH THE DVD'S INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION TO DEVELOP MEDIATION PROGRAMS, PROCEDURES, AND INITIATE THE PILOT PROGRAM FOR YOUR AWARENESS COMMUNICATION ADVISOR. WHILE DEAR GUERRERO MADE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR COMMUNICATION TO THE BOARD, HE SENT A SPECIAL EMAIL THIS WEEK TO THE BOARD THAT PROVIDES ALL THE RESOURCES YOU NEED TO PREPARE FOR THE MEETING. HE USED A QUORUM WEB APP, WHICH IS A LIVE APPLICATION. HE DESIGNED TO LET THE BOARD CHECK IN TO CONFIRM THEIR ATTENDANCE. AND ONCE QUORUM, MRS. REACH DE BANNER HEADER WILL TURN GREEN AND STATE QUORUM WAS REACHED. YOU'RE ABLE TO SELECT OPTIONS FOR PERSONAL FOR IN-PERSON OR VIRTUAL. SO THE EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT KIM, UM, KIMONA RUSSELL CAN EXPECT WHO WILL BE ATTENDING, UM, VIRTUAL AND SAVE SOME PAPER, UM, AND SAVE AT THIS POINT SOME FOOD AS WELL. UM, WE PROGRAMMED THE EMAIL COMMUNICATION TO OTTO RESEND ON MONDAY. UM, FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT OPENED THE EMAIL, WE HAVE SENT IT TO BOTH, UM, THE DALLAS.GOV EMAIL AND PERSONAL EMAILS. WE ENCOURAGE BOARDS TO CHECK THEIR EMAIL TO PREPARE FOR THE MEETING. GREG'S, UM, [02:30:01] INVESTIGATIVE SHAREPOINT LINK WITH FOLDERS IS INCLUDED IN THERE AS WELL FOR ACCESS TO THE INVESTIGATION. SHAREPOINT LINKS CAN ONLY BE ACCESS IF YOU SIGN INTO YOUR DALLAS.GOV EMAIL. IF YOU HAVE NOT ACTIVATED YOUR DALLAS.GOV EMAIL, PLEASE UM, CHECK YOUR PERSONAL EMAILS TO TEMPORARILY RESET YOUR EMAIL. ALL CPOB MEMBERS HAVE A DALLAS.GOV EMAIL. NOW, UM, FOR BOARD BUSINESS, UM, WE NEED A QUORUM OF THE BOARD'S CONDUCT BUSINESS. PLEASE RESPOND TO OUR BOARD COORDINATOR'S EMAIL TO CONFIRM YOUR ATTENDANCE AT THE MEETING. THE MEETING AGENDA ATTACHED IS EMBEDDED IN THE EMAIL. NOTE THAT BY DESIGN, IF YOU CLICK ON THE ATTACHMENT LINK, IT WILL NOT OPEN. YOU HAVE TO DOWNLOAD THE AGENDA, PDF, AND THE LINKS ARE ACTIVE. UM, THIS IS NORMAL FOR EMBEDDED FILES. THE WEBEX LINK IS INCLUDED WITH THE PASSWORD AND MEETING CODE ON THE AGENDA. WE HAVE ALSO INCLUDED REALITY-BASED TRAINING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH SMU AT THE POLICE ACADEMY, WHICH SIERRA INVITED YOU TO A FEW WEEKS AGO. THIS TRAINING IS DESIGNED, PROVIDE INSIGHT INTO RURAL WORLD TO SCENARIOS THAT OFFICERS ENCOUNTER, WHERE A PRIMARILY FOCUS ON BEHAVIORAL HEALTH RELATED CALLS PRIOR TO THE SIMULATION. YOU'LL RECEIVE INFORMATION TO GUIDE YOU THROUGH THE EXERCISE AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR DISCUSSION AND FEEDBACK FOR FROM PERCEPT PARTICIPANTS AFTERWARDS. WE NEED FOUR MORE. UH, WE NEED FOUR BOARD MEMBERS TO SIGN UP FOR THE VR REALITY BASED TRAINING, UM, AT THE DBD ACADEMY TO PROCEED. I BELIEVE, CHAIRMAN, YOU RESPONDED TODAY, , UM, WHICH AVAILABILITY WHILE THE BOARD IS VOLUNTARY BASED, FULFILLING YOUR OVERSIGHT RESPONSIBILITY REQUIRES REVIEWING EMAILS AND CASE RELATED MATERIALS THE WEEK PRIOR TO MEETINGS. MANY IMPORTANT EMAILS CONTAIN ESSENTIAL INFORMATION AT GCR ATTENTION. SO I RECOMMEND CHECKING YOUR EMAIL INBOX AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK. EXCUSE ME, MADAM DIRECTOR. I NO LONGER HAVE ACCESS TO MY UH, DOT GOV EMAIL SINCE I HAD TO SURRENDER MY LAPTOP MONTHS AGO. OKAY. UM, WE CAN DEFINITELY, IT'S STILL IN THE OFFICE, SO WE CAN DEFINITELY GET THAT RESET. UM, FOR YOU, WE HAVE INCLUDED A ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER. UM, SHE SHEETS IN YOUR BINDER FOR GUIDANCE, UM, FOR THE BOARD MEETING. THE DEVELOPMENT OF FY 27 AND FY 28 OPERATING BUDGET HAS KICKED OFF THE FIRST ROUND OF DALLAS BUDGET TOWN HALLS RUNS FROM MARCH 23RD TO 26 WITH SEVERAL OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ON THE FISCAL 26TH, 27 BUDGET TO FOLLOW. FINALLY, I WANT TO SAY FAREWELL TO BEST WISHES TO CONTINUE SUCCESS, UM, TO FUTURE ENDEAVORS TO, UM, MAJOR SALAS AND LIEUTENANT MORRIS AND LIEUTENANT TYLER. UM, SO THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT FOR THE EVENING. I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION AND LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUE OUR COLLABORATION EFFORTS TO ADVANCE COMMUNITY OVERSIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. ANY QUESTIONS, UH, TO THE DIRECTOR AT THIS TIME, MR. CHAIRMAN BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE EFFORT. THE EMAIL LOOKED REALLY GOOD. THE ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER THING IS EXTREMELY HELPFUL. JUST THESE ARE ALL LITTLE THINGS, BUT THEY'RE TAKEN TOGETHER. THEY'RE NOT LITTLE, IT'S A BIG DEAL. MM-HMM . UM, EVERYTHING NOW RUNS SO MUCH, UH, SMOOTHER ADMINISTRATIVELY IT DOES, THAN IT DID IN YEARS PAST. IT DOES. AND FOR THOSE OF US WHO'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR A LONG TIME, IT IS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. MM-HMM . YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ADDRESSED TO DIRECTOR MICHELLE ANDRE? OKAY. UH, I DID REALIZE THAT I HAD MY PAPER ON THE AGENDA AND I MISSED AN AGENDA ITEM. SO I ASKED, UH, FOR THE BOARD'S FORGIVENESS ON THIS ONE. AND, UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE BACK, UH, IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS TO AGENDA. AGENDA ITEM EIGHT A, WHICH IS DISCUSSION ON THE PROPOSED DATES FOR THE CPOB RETREAT, REPLACING THE USUAL MONTHLY MEETING WITH THE RETREAT. AND, UM, SO, UH, MS. ALMA PEREZ WILL, UH, GIVE THOSE DATES TO US. AND THEN, UH, WE AS A BOARD, UH, THERE'S AN ACTION ITEM WHERE WE WILL VOTE TO APPROVE THE DATE OF THE CPOB RETREAT AND AUTHORIZE REPLACING THE CUSTOMARY MONTHLY MEETING WITH THE RETREAT. MS. PEREZ, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS. I'D LIKE TO BRIEFLY DISCUSS THE UPCOMING COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD RETREAT AND OUT AND OUTLINE WHAT TO EXPECT. THE MARCH MONTHLY BOARD MEETING WILL BE REPLACED WITH A BOARD RETREAT, WHICH WILL PROVIDE DEDICATED TIME FOR TRAINING, COLLABORATION, AND STRATEGIC ALIGNMENT. THIS RETREAT IS INTENDED TO SUPPORT BOARD MEMBERS IN THEIR ROLES AND ENSURE A SHARED UNDERSTANDING OF RESPONSIBILITIES AND EXPECTATIONS. THE RETREAT WILL INCLUDE BOARD TRAINING AND ORIENTATION, UH, REFRESHERS, AN OVERVIEW OF BOARD ROLES, RESPONSIBILITIES AND EXPECTATIONS, [02:35:01] A PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION LED BY DPD INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION, OFFERING INSIGHT INTO INTERNAL PROCESSES AND INVESTIGATIVE PRACTICES. THIS RETREAT WILL SERVE AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR LEARNING DIALOGUE AND STRENGTHENING COORDINATION BETWEEN BOARD MEMBERS AND THE OCPO. THERE ARE, UH, FOUR DATE SELECTIONS. SO A DATE FOR THE RETREAT WILL NEED TO BE VOTED ON BY THE BOARD. THE PROPOSED DATES ARE, UM, TO REPLACE THE BOARD MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE TUESDAY, MARCH 10TH, AT THE SAME TIME, 5:30 PM UM, SECOND DATE WOULD BE FRIDAY, MARCH 13TH, UH, FROM 8:30 AM TO 1:00 PM OR SATURDAY, MARCH 14TH, EIGHT 30 TO 1:00 PM OR SATURDAY, MARCH 28TH, 8:30 AM TO 1:00 PM SO BOARD MEMBERS WILL BE ASKED TO INDICATE THEIR AVAILABILITY, SO A DATE WITH THE HIGHEST PARTICIPATION CAN BE SELECTED. ALRIGHT, LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE, UH, FOUR DATES. UH, THREE TEN THREE THIRTEEN THREE FOURTEEN. 3 28. AND, UM, THE ACTION ITEM TODAY WILL FOR ONE OF US, UH, FOR US TO, UH, VOTE ON WHAT DATE THAT WOULD BE. DID I HEAR HER SAY THAT MARCH 10TH WAS GONNA REPLACE THE MEETING? THAT IS, UM, THAT IS THE PROPOSAL THAT, UH, IN LIE IT'D BE THE SAME TIME. FIVE 30? YEAH, FIVE 30. AND, UM, IT WOULD BE, UH, THE RETREAT THAT WE WOULD HAVE, UM, IN, IN LIEU OF A REGULAR MEETING LIKE MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. CHAIR, I, I'M ONLY AVAILABLE ON THE REGULAR MEETING DAY. THE OTHER DATES ARE ALREADY TAKEN. SO YOU'RE, UH, JUST SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR, THE ONLY DATE YOU ARE AVAILABLE IS THREE 10, UH, MARCH 10TH, THE SAME TIME. OKAY. ME TOO. MR. CHAIRMAN. UH, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE IF WE, UM, MAYBE IF, IF WE KEPT THE, THE MARCH 10TH DATE MM-HMM . WHICH IS A REGULAR MEETING, UH, IF WE RESERVE PERHAPS THE FIRST HALF HOUR FOR ANY PRESSING ITEMS THAT COME UP IN THE NEXT MONTH, LIKE, LIKE THE LETTER WE DISCUSSED MM-HMM . TODAY. UM, MAYBE WE SET ASIDE LIKE A HALF HOUR FOR AN ABBREVIATED FORMAL MEETING BEFORE THAT IS POSSIBLE. BEFORE THE, RATHER THAN HAVING TWO SEPARATE DATES, I'D LIKE TO DO IT ON THAT DATE, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO RESERVE SOME TIME FOR THAT IS POSSIBLE BUSINESS. HOW LONG, HOW LONG DOES THE RETREAT NEED TO BE? IS THERE, IS THERE, DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA HOW LONG THAT RETREAT WILL LAST? DIRECTOR HOUR? UH HUH. FOUR AND A HALF HOURS. FOUR AND A HALF HOURS DID YOU SAY? FOUR AND A HALF HOURS. ARE YOU SERIOUS? IT'S A RETREAT. OH, WAIT, WHAT US ON, UH, THE ACTUAL TUESDAY NIGHT, DOES IT HAVE TO BE FOUR AND A HALF HOURS? IT'S THE SAME AS A BOARD MEETING. , I MEAN, ARE WE THE COMMITTEE TO DECIDE? YES. FOUR AND A HALF HOURS. YOU GUYS WE'RE IN HERE. FOUR HOURS AND A HALF. EVERY SINGLE . SO, SO, UH, BUT YES, YES. THE AGENDA IS AMENDABLE AND WE CAN DISCUSS WHAT YES. THE LENGTH OF THE TIME OF THE AGENDA. OKAY, GREAT. SO WE CAN, WE CAN VOTE TODAY ON THE MARCH 10TH DATE. UM, AND WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE INCLUDE SOME PRESSING ITEMS BEFOREHAND AND WE CAN DISCUSS HOW LONG WE'RE GONNA BE HERE, UM, THAT NIGHT. SO, SO AS IT RELATES TO THE RETREAT, SAME TIME, DOES IT HAVE TO BE HERE? DO WE HAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AFTER THAT FIRST 30, 45 MINUTES? WE ARE EXPLORING SOME OPTIONS FOR IT TO BE OUTSIDE. BUT IT'S THE THOUGH. YES. OKAY. 'CAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY TIME I, SO I GUESS I COULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UM, FOR US TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE RETREAT DATE MARCH THE 10TH. AND THEN, UH, SOME OF THOSE DETAILS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW CAN BE WORKED OUT. JUDGE LAND GILBERT SMITH. I MOVE THAT WE SET THE RETREAT DATE FOR MARCH 10, SAME TIME THERE'S BEEN A MOTION MADE. SECOND. SECONDED BY MR. MAPLES. BEFORE WE TAKE THIS TO A VOTE, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY. I'M SORRY. UM, I GUESS IT'S TOO LATE. OH, MAY I APOLOGIZE. I DIDN'T SEE THAT. WILLIAM HIGGINS. UM, IT'S NOT THE DATE. IT'S WHAT? IT'S THE WHAT, LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE, IN THE RETREAT. I, I FEEL LIKE WE GOT SOME STUFF WE NEED TO HANDLE. THAT'S MORE, I, I'M REALLY NOT INTERESTED IN DPD COMING TO GIVE US ANOTHER PRESENTATION DURING OUR RETREAT. LIKE, I'M JUST MAKING THAT AS A COMMENT. I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO HAVE MORE INPUT INTO WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS IN THIS RETREAT. UM, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS STRATEGICALLY AS A BOARD WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT AS WELL. [02:40:01] I, SO I'M, I'M JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE AGAIN, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT TIME SHOULD BE USED FOR, FOR THAT AS WELL. THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS. UM, AND SO YEAH, HIS COMMENTS HAVE BEEN, BEEN NOTED. UM, AND, UM, YEAH, HE ALSO INDICATED HIS SUPPORT FOR THAT THREE 10 DATE AND THEN EXPRESSED SOME OF HIS IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO BEST USE THAT TIME. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YEAH, I GOT A COMMENT MAYBE ON THAT, THAT DATE IS WHEN WE COULD REALLY GRIND OUT THAT LETTER. I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO WORK AS A COMMITTEE. UM, THE POLICY COMMITTEE, WHOEVER'S GOING TO DO THAT, UM, AS A ROUGH DRAFT. AND THEN MAYBE ON THAT 10TH WE COULD REALLY GRIND IT OUT. I MEAN, FOUR HOURS IS A LONG TIME. I COULD BE, WELL, I THINK, CAN I JUST ADD, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO ADD, AND I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN ABOUT THE DPD TRAINING, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF NEW MEMBERS WHO REALLY NEED SOME ASSISTANCE AS FAR AS LIKE HOW TO REVIEW THE CASE. SO WE WERE PLANNING TO HAVE GREG TO DO A MOCK CASE. WE WERE PLANNING TO HAVE ID TO REALLY DEFINE SOME OF THOSE FINDINGS AND HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE CASES. AT LEAST THAT OVERVIEW, BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF MEMBERS WHO ARE NEW, AND I KNOW THAT WE DON'T REALLY ALWAYS HAVE THE TIME TO GO THROUGH, HERE'S WHAT THE PROCESS WE GO THROUGH, HERE'S HOW TO ACCESS THIS INFORMATION. SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I UNDERSTAND THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO IN A SEPARATE MEETING, BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR TRAINING RIGHT NOW. UM, 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS. WE NEVER REALLY TALK ABOUT STRATEGIC PLANNING, AND THEN WE HAVE THESE, UH, RETREATS AND THEY'RE REALLY JUST KIND OF LIKE INFO SESSIONS AND TRAINING. WE DON'T EVER GET TO THAT. SO I'M, AND THAT'S NOT ON YOU, DIRECTOR, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE FAIRLY NEW. I'M SAYING EVEN BEFORE MM-HMM . LIKE, UM, THE RETREATS WERE KIND OF JUST STRUCTURED AS THESE KIND OF LIKE, I MEAN, PRETTY MUCH JUST TRAINING IN INFO SESSIONS AND LIKE MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. AND I'M SAYING WE, WE, IF WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT TIME, LET'S USE THAT TIME TO LIKE, GET TO SOME OF THE, THE DEEPER THINGS THAT ARE, UM, WE NEED TO LIKE, HANDLE AND TALK ABOUT AND STRATEGICALLY LAY OUT AS A BOARD. MM-HMM . ALRIGHT. MM-HMM . SO, HEY, WE'LL, WE'LL BE, UH, THE OFFICE WILL BE IN TOUCH, UH, WITH THE BOARD, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO DETAILS ABOUT THE PLACE THAT COULD BE SOMEWHERE DIFFERENT, I GUESS WE'LL, WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT. AND ALSO, UH, THE FORMAT. BUT, UH, EVERYONE'S COMMENTS HAVE BEEN HEARD AND, UH, YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL TRUST THE OFFICE AS FAR AS I SETTING THAT UP. I THINK YOU COULD ALSO DIVIDE UP THE, UM, RETREAT IF, IF WE CAN'T GET IT ALL IN ONE NIGHT, LET'S DIVIDE UP THE AGENDA AND DO THAT IN APRIL OR IN MAY. UM, AND MAYBE WE COULD SHARE THE DRAFT AGENDA AND ASK FOR QUESTIONS AND THEN I IMPLORE ALL OF US TO ACTUALLY RESPOND. CORRECT. WE WE'RE PLANNING TO, TO SHARE THAT. AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST THING IS THAT WE DO SHARE THE AGENDAS AND TRY TO GET INPUT, BUT OFTENTIMES WE DON'T GET A LOT OF RESPONSES OR FEEDBACK ON THAT. AND AT SOME POINT WE DO HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD AND SCHEDULE SOMETHING. BUT I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO EXPRESS IS THAT I THINK WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM SOME MEMBERS IS THAT BY MAJORITY, THERE'S A LOT MORE NEED OF ASSISTANCE ON THE TECHNOLOGY. IS, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO IN THE MEETING THAT I THINK WE NEED TO DO. UM, THE FOUNDATION'S IMPORTANT, AND I THINK WITHOUT THAT, EVEN WITH THE CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT, MOST BOARD MEMBERS DON'T HAVE THE, THE BACKGROUND. AND I THINK WE DO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT FIRST STEP BEFORE WE START TALKING ABOUT PLANNING. UM, AND I THINK WE COULD DO BOTH. UM, BUT I DO NEED SOME ASSISTANCE WITH SOME OF THE SUBCOMMITTEES TO KIND OF HELP TO COORDINATE THAT AND FOLLOW UP ON US PLANNING THOSE IDEAS. UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A DISCUSSION ABOUT BUDGET. I MEAN, , YOU DISCUSS THE BUDGET. EXACTLY. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WHEN WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION, THE BOARD DOESN'T HAVE A, A BUDGET, RIGHT? SO, UM, IT'S ALWAYS KIND OF ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT IS LEFT, WHAT DO WE HAVE FOR, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY FOOD SUPPLIES. I MEAN, THOSE ARE THINGS, I'M GONNA BE HONEST WITH YOU, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT, A LOT OF EFFICIENCIES AND THIS UPCOMING BUDGET, AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND, AND FOOD SERVICES IS GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT'S SERIOUSLY LOOKED AT. AND THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, MIGHT HAVE SOME PRODUCTION. I KNOW NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR THAT, BUT YOU MEAN, YOU MEAN CUTS. I MEAN, I PAY A WHOLE LOT IN PROPERTY TAXES TO BE TALKING TO ME ABOUT TALK TO YOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS. WELL, HEY, I JUST WANT TO, UH, SAY WE, WE'VE WENT AHEAD AND VOTED THE THREE 10 DATE, AND SO WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM THE, THE BOARD, UH, ON THOSE DETAILS. UM, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA NOW MOVE, UH, TO, UH, ITEM NINE B, UH, GO BACK TO SCHEDULE. THANK YOU FOR THE BOARD'S UNDERSTANDING ABOUT ME MISSING THAT ITEM. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. THE POINT OF ORDER. DID, [02:45:01] UH, DID WE, UM, AGREE TO THREE 10? DID THE MOTION CARRY? OH YES. MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT. I DIDN'T HEAR YOU. YEAH, YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. SO FOR THE MINUTES, UH, THE MOTION PASSED, UH, WE'LL NOW MOVE, UH, TO AGENDA ITEM NINE B WHERE WE'LL, UH, HEAR FROM THE SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR. I DO WANT TO, UM, WE HAVE A FEW CRITICAL INCIDENT REPORTS, AND THEN, UH, THERE'S TWO INVESTIGATIONS. UH, ONE, WE'LL HEAR THE FINDINGS. UM, CASE NUMBER NI 2025, LYNN ROTH. AND THEN THE SECOND CASE WILL BE A CONSIDERATION FOR INDEPENDENT REVIEW, UM, BY JUAN . AND I DO WANT TO, UH, WE DO HAVE SOME SPECIAL GUESTS HERE TO SPEAK ON THESE CASES. SO BEFORE, UM, WE INVITE INVESTIGATOR, UH, TO DOWN TO GIVE HIS FULL REPORT. I DO WANT TO INVITE OUR SPECIAL GUESTS TO COME SHARE, UM, FOR, UH, ABOUT THEIR CASES. SO, UH, LYNN ROTH, UM, I'D LOVE, UH, LYNN ROTH AND THEN PATRICK ROTH. AND THEN, UH, BYRON FUNK. ARE THEY ALL RELATED TO THIS CASE? MM-HMM . OKAY. UH, WHY DON'T YOU GUYS COME ON DOWN AND THEN ONE BY ONE. UM, AND AM I MISSING ANYBODY OR IS IT EVERYBODY? OKAY. AND WHAT'S YOUR NAME? BAILEY. BAILEY. OKAY. WELL, DON'T YOU COME ON DOWN. UM, AND WE WANNA GIVE YOU THE, THE, THE ALLOTTED THREE MINUTES, UH, TO SHARE, UH, PRIOR TO US HEARING FROM INVESTIGATOR HUFF BAILEY FUNK. THERE YOU ARE. I SEE YOU. OKAY. SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WE APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENCE. UM, AND YOU ALL KNOW, UH, THE DRILL, UH, WHENEVER IT'S YOUR TIME TO SPEAK. AND HOW ABOUT, UH, MS. MS, UH, LYNN ROTH? LOT? ROTH, HOW ABOUT YOU BEGIN AND THEN WE'LL GO NEXT TO PATRICK ROTH. AND THEN, UH, FOLLOWING PATRICK, WE'LL GO BAILEY, UH, FUNK AND THEN FOLLOWING BAILEY, UH, BYRON. AND, UH, WE'LL HAVE A TIMER UP HERE. UM, AND, UM, WE AGAIN ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR YOUR PRESENCE HERE. WE'RE EAGER TO HEAR FOR YOU ALL, AND JUST MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE'S TURNED ON. AND, UH, SO WE, WE, WHEN IT'S YOUR TURN TO SPEAK, SO WE CAN HEAR YOU. AND, UH, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY TO BEGIN, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. OKAY? OKAY. HI, UM, MY NAME IS LYNN ROTH AND WALKER FUNK IS MY SON. I WANNA BEGIN BY SAYING THAT I AM NOT ASKING THIS BOARD TO CHANGE WALKER'S DEATH CERTIFICATE OR REACH ANY MEDICAL CONCLUSION. I'M SIMPLY ASKING THAT THE INVESTIGATION BE THOROUGH, THE DOCUMENTATION BE ACCURATE, AND THE RECORD REFLECT THE GAPS IN INCONSISTENCIES AND UNANSWERED QUESTIONS VISIBLE IN THE DOCUMENTATION AND FOOTAGE. I PROVIDED DETAILED DOCUMENTATION TO INVESTIGATOR HUFF IN GOOD FAITH TO ASSIST IN HIS INVESTIGATION. THIS INCLUDED PHONE RECORDS, TIMELINES, SCREENSHOTS, PHOTOGRAPHS, AND THE NAMES OF 10 IN INDIVIDUALS, INCLUDING MYSELF, WHO HAD RECENT CONTACT WITH WALKER AND COULD PROVIDE FIRSTHAND CONTEXT. HOWEVER, ON THE INVESTIGATIVE REPORT, ONLY FOUR OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS WERE CONTACTED. WALKER'S FATHER WAS NOT ONE OF THEM. AND MY INTERVIEW IS NOT IN THE REPORT. THE RECORD ACKNOWLEDGES THAT I SUBMITTED EXTENSIVE DOCUMENTATION, BUT IT DOESN'T ADDRESS ANY OF THE ISSUES I RAISED. THE REPORT RELIES ON THE CONCLUSION THAT THE APARTMENT WAS LOCKED FROM THE INSIDE, BUT IT DOES NOT DOCUMENT WHETHER ALTERNATE ACCESS POINTS, INCLUDING THE PATIO, DOOR, WINDOWS, OR SHARED ATTIC ACCESS WERE EXAMINED AND VERIFIED AS SECURED. I WANNA BE CLEAR THAT I AM NOT SPECULATING ABOUT ENTRY. MY CONCERN IS THAT THE REPORT DOES NOT DOCUMENT WHETHER THOSE ACCESS POINTS WERE EXAMINED AND RULED OUT. BASED ON MY PRIOR REVIEW OF OFFICER MORRISON'S BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE, THE APARTMENT WAS DECLARED A CRIME SCENE AT 8:25 AM AT APPROXIMATELY 8:28 AM FIREFIGHTERS REENTERED THE APARTMENT FROM 8:28 AM UNTIL APPROXIMATELY 8:31 AM WITH NO LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER PRESENT INSIDE THE APARTMENT WITH THEM. THIS INTERVAL IS REFLECTED IN THE BODY CAMERA TIMESTAMPS. HOWEVER, THE INVESTIGATIVE REPORT DOES NOT DOCUMENT THAT FIREFIGHTERS WERE INSIDE THE APARTMENT WITHOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT PRESENT DURING THAT PERIOD, NOR DOES IT DOCUMENT THEIR PURPOSE OR ACTIVITIES INSIDE THE DECLARED CRIME SCENE. THE REPORT ALSO DESCRIBES TEXT MESSAGES AS SIGNIFICANT EVIDENCE, BUT IT DOES NOT ADDRESS ADDITIONAL CONTEXT. I PROVIDED, SHOWING SIMILAR MESSAGES HAD BEEN SENT PREVIOUSLY. I ALSO PROVIDED DOCUMENTED PHONE CALL RECORDS WITH SPECIFIC TIMESTAMPS, BUT THOSE TIMESTAMPS WERE NOT IN THE REPORT'S TIMELINE NARRATIVE. I ALSO NOTED THAT THE REPORT [02:50:01] FORWARD REFERS TO MARY FORBES AS THE MEDICAL EXAMINER, WHEN SHE IS IN FACT A DEATH INVESTIGATOR. WHILE THAT MAY SEEM MINOR, IT REFLECTS AN INACCURACY IN THE INVESTIGATIVE RECORD. ADDITIONALLY, THE REPORT STATES THAT THE WEAPON RELEASE DECISIONS WERE BASED ON POLICIES FROM NEIGHBORING CITIES, BUT IT DOES NOT IDENTIFY WHICH CITIES OR POLICIES WERE REVIEWED OR THE DOCUMENT DOCUMENTED BASIS. FOR THAT CONCLUSION, I PROVIDED INVESTIGATIVE, PROVIDED PHOTOGRAPHIC DOCUMENTATION AND SUPPORTING MATERIALS AS PART OF MY SUBMISSION. CAN I PLEASE FINISH MY YES, PLEASE FINISH YOUR THOUGHT. YEAH. OKAY. TO INVESTIGATOR HUFF, DUE TO THEIR SENSITIVE NATURE, I'M NOT PRESENTING THOSE MATERIALS HERE TODAY, BUT THEY WERE MADE AVAILABLE AS PART OF MY FORMAL SUBMISSION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MS. ROTH. AND, UH, THANK YOU, MS. ROTH. PATRICK, PATRICK ROTH. LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU, SIR. MY NAME IS PATRICK ROTH. UM, I WAS WALKER'S STEPFATHER. I HELPED RAISE HIM FROM THE AGE OF NINE UNTIL HIS, UH, UNTIL HE WAS FOUND DECEASED. THE ISSUES THAT I SEE, I'M A POLICE OFFICER 19 YEARS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE BALL FELL WHEN IT CAME TO ACTUALLY CONDUCTING AN INVESTIGATION, BUT WHEN YOU ARE PRESENTED WITH EVIDENCE, YOU LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES, YOU LOOK AT EVERYTHING. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, ASK THEM. WHEN YOU FAIL TO ASK A, A, A QUESTION DURING AN INVESTIGATION, YOU ARE LEAVING STUFF OUT. YOU'RE NOT GIVING A FULL REPORT. IF I DO A REPORT AND I LEAVE PERTINENT INFORMATION OUT, WELL, MY BUTT GETS IN TROUBLE AND I CAN GET FIRED, I CAN GET SUED, EVERYTHING. WHEN YOU PROVIDE THE CONTEXT OF THE INFORMATION THAT THE DETECTIVE WAS LOOKING AT, AND IT SHOWS, YOU CAN SHOW WHAT IT ACTUALLY STOOD FOR, THAT DETECTIVE SHOULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. I SPOKE WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, UH, THE CRIME SCENE DETECTIVE, BECAUSE I ACTUALLY WORKED FOR DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR EIGHT YEARS BEFORE I LEFT AND WENT TO A DIFFERENT AGENCY BECAUSE I WORKED WITH HIM. I DIDN'T ASK HIM TO CHANGE A REPORT. I DIDN'T ASK HIM TO MODIFY ANYTHING. WHAT I ASKED HIM WAS TO BE HONEST. I ASKED HIM PLAIN AND SIMPLE QUESTIONS, WHAT DID YOU SEE? 'CAUSE I WASN'T ALLOWED UP THERE. AND HE TOLD ME, LOOKS LIKE AN ACCIDENT. LOOKS LIKE AN ACCIDENT. PUT IT IN THE REPORT. THAT'S HOW SIMPLE THAT IS. INSTEAD, I GOT A CALL FROM THE DETECTIVE, THE HOMICIDE DETECTIVE, WHO TOLD ME THAT HE DIDN'T APPRECIATE ME TALKING TO HIS CRIME SCENE DETECTIVE, HIS CRIME SCENE, NOT THE CITIES, NOT THE DEPARTMENTS, THE CRIME SCENE DETECTIVE HIS AND SAID THAT IF I CONTINUED OR EVEN WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IT ANYMORE, HE ALREADY TALKED TO HIS COMMAND STAFF. I CAN ONLY ASSUME WHOEVER THAT IS, AND SAID THAT I WOULD BE BROUGHT UP ON CHARGES, CHARGES FOR OFFICIAL OPPRESSION AND INTERFERENCE THAT DOESN'T FALL UNDER OFFICIAL OPPRESSION. IF I'M THE GRIEVING STEPFATHER ASKING FOR HIM. TO BE HONEST, THAT'S A PILE OF CRAP. NOBODY'S HELD ACCOUNTABLE. NOT THAT I COULD SEE THE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATOR. HE'S NOT REALLY THAT INDEPENDENT. WHEN YOU WORK FOR THE, WHEN YOU WORK FOR THE CITY, HE DIDN'T TALK TO EVERYBODY. HE COULD HAVE TALKED TO HIS FATHER. HE CHOSE NOT TO. I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THIS, WHEN YOU'RE AN INVESTIGATOR AND YOU ARE TOO PROUD AND YOU HAVE, AND, AND YOUR YOUR INABILITY TO BE HUMBLE, IN YOUR CASE, YOU WILL BE HUMBLED IN COURT. IT'S A FAIRLY SIMPLE CONCEPT. THAT'S ALL I ASK, IS THAT EVERYTHING BE LOOKED AT. THANK YOU, MR. ROTH. APPRECIATE THAT. . UM, AND I'D LIKE, UH, TO HEAR, UH, FROM BAILEY, BAILEY FUNK. UH, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, UH, WE'LL START THE TIMER, BUT THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU. DUE TO THE THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT, THIS IS ONLY A PARTIAL STATEMENT HIGHLIGHTING MY BIGGEST CONCERNS THAT WERE NOT MENTIONED IN HUFF'S REPORT. CITING NO WRONGDOING THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO YOU. MY NAME IS BAILEY. I AM WALKER'S OLDEST BROTHER, SISTER WOO . I WAS PRESENT THE DAY WALKER DIED AND RECEIVED A GROUP TEXT THAT WAS LATER CITED AS EVIDENCE. I WAS NEVER INTERVIEWED DURING THE COMPLAINT INVESTIGATION, YET CONCLUSIONS WERE DRAWN ABOUT THE MESSAGES WITHOUT INPUT FROM ALL RECIPIENTS. CONTEXT WAS IGNORED TO FIT THE NARRATIVE. HUFF WOULD LIKE HIS PAPERWORK TO REFLECT. HIS MOTHER'S INTERVIEW WAS NOT ADDED TO HUFF'S REPORT. AFTER REVIEWING BODY CAM FOOTAGE OF THAT DAY, WALKER'S MOTHER WAS OUTSIDE OF HIS APARTMENT AND IT HAD BEEN DECLARED A CRIME SCENE. THE INVESTIGATIVE RECORD DOES NOT [02:55:01] DOCUMENT WHO WAS PRESENT, WHY THEY WERE THERE OR WHAT ACTIONS OCCURRED. MULTIPLE NON OFFICERS ENTERED FOR SEVERAL MINUTES WITHOUT DOCUMENTATION, AN OFFICER TO DISTURB THE SCENE, DISTURBED THE SCENE IMMEDIATELY AFTER IT WAS DECLARED A CRIME SCENE AND WAS CAUGHT ON THEIR OWN CAMERA, BUT WAS NOT DOCUMENTED. ITEMS WERE MOVED WITHOUT, NO ANY NOTATION IN ANY REPORT IN BETWEEN PHOTOS TAKEN AT THE CRIME SCENE. THESE ACTIONS VIOLATE THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, GENERAL ORDERS ON CRIME SCENE, SECURITY, CONTROLLED ACCESS AND EVIDENCE HANDLING. THE FAMILY COMPILED A SLIDESHOW HIGHLIGHTING SEVERAL PROCEDURAL VIOLATION, AND THIS STATEMENT REFLECTS ONLY A SMALL PORTION OF WHAT WAS INCLUDED. WE HAD TO DOCUMENT FAILURES THAT THE DEPARTMENT ITSELF SHOULD HAVE IDENTIFIED. YET THESE FACTS ARE STILL IGNORED IN THE INVESTIGATIVE REPORT. AGAIN, KEY WITNESSES, INCLUDING MYSELF, WERE NEVER INTERVIEWED NOR MENTIONED IN HUFF'S REPORT. THE ORIGINAL COMPLAINT WAS NOT FULLY REVIEWED. THE MAJOR OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS ACKNOWLEDGED ONLY ONE PORTION OF THE COMPLAINT, IGNORING ALL CRITICAL EVIDENCE THAT WAS SUBMITTED, AS WELL AS THE COMPLAINT ITSELF. THE INVESTIGATOR WHO PREVIOUSLY FOUND NO WRONGDOING, DESPITE FAILING TO REVIEW VIDEO FOOTAGE AND THOROUGHLY ANALYZE EVIDENCE, THIS WAS REPORTED DECEMBER, THE LAST DECEMBER MEETING THAT WE HAD HERE. HE WAS TOLD AGAIN TO CONCLUDE ANOTHER INVESTIGATION. FURTHERMORE, ONE OFFICER WAS CAUGHT ON BODY CAMERA ATTEMPTING TO MUTE THE CAMERA WHILE SAYING HE IS PART OF THE BLUE FAMILY. SO WE ARE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THEM. IT IS AGAINST SOP TO MUTE A BODY CAMERA WITHOUT JUSTIFICATION. AND THIS IS A CLEAR ATTEMPT TO OFFER OUR FAMILY SPECIAL TREATMENT. WE DID NOT ASK FOR THIS. AND IF THIS LEVEL OF EGREGIOUS ERROR IS CALLED SPECIAL TREATMENT, I'D PREFER TO EXPERIENCE NORMAL TREATMENT. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, BAILEY. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR WORDS. UH, FINALLY, I'D LIKE TO, UH, INVITE, UM, BY AND FUNK, UH, FOR YOUR, YOUR STATEMENT. AND WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, THE CAMERA WILL BEGIN. YES. MY NAME IS BYRON FUNK. I'M WALKER'S FATHER. UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE. UH, I'M HERE BECAUSE I WANT TO ENSURE THAT THE INVESTIGATION INTO MY SON'S DEATH WAS COMPLETE, ACCURATE, AND FULLY DOCUMENTED. WE'RE GOING ON, I THINK THIS IS OUR THIRD OR FOURTH INVESTIGATION, AND I STILL DON'T BELIEVE IT'S BEEN THOROUGHLY LOOKED INTO. I DON'T KNOW. A FEW PEOPLE HAVE. THE REPORT THAT WERE SENT WAS SENT TO US BY YOUR OVERSIGHT DETECTIVE, THAT DETECTIVE HAD ALREADY DONE THIS INVESTIGATION PRIOR TO IA DOING THIS INVESTIGATION. SO HOW CAN HE HAVE OVERSIGHT OVER SOMETHING HE'D ALREADY SIGNED OFF ON AT THE SCENE? I ANSWERED QUESTIONS HONESTLY AND TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY WHEN DETECTIVE CLARK SPOKE WITH ME. UM, I WON'T GO INTO EVIDENCE STUFF. I'VE KIND OF CHANGED WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY HERE TONIGHT. UM, AFTER REVIEWING THE DOCUMENTATION AND SEEING PHOTOGRAPHS, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHETHER THE PHYSICAL SCENE WAS FULLY DOCUMENTED IN WRITTEN RECORD. THE PHOTOGRAPHS SHOW THAT WALKER'S BODY WAS POSITIONED DIRECTLY ON TOP OF A SHELVING UNIT ON THE FLOOR BENEATH HIM. AND THERE WAS VISIBLE BLOOD STANDING IN THE SURROUNDING AND AREA AND ON TOP OF THE SHELF. HOWEVER, THAT IS NOT IN ANY OF THE, THE DRAWINGS OF THE CRIME SCENE. WHEN WE MOVED THAT SHELF, THAT SHELF HAD BEEN LEANING AGAINST THE WALL, AND I GUESS HE HID IT AFTER HE HAD HIS ACCIDENT AND SOMEHOW ENDED UP ON TOP OF IT, BECAUSE WHEN WE MOVED THE SHELF, THERE WAS BLOOD EVIDENCE UNDERNEATH THE SHELF THAT WAS FRESH. UM, OUR FAMILY COOPERATED, COOPERATED FULLY AND PROVIDED INFORMATION IN GOOD FAITH. WALKER DESERVES A CAREFUL, COMPLETE, AND ACCURATE INVESTIGATION, AND OUR FAMILY DESERVES TO KNOW THAT THE INVESTIGATIVE RECORD FULLY REFLECTS THE SCENE AND THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE. I WAS NOT CONTACTED IN THIS INVESTIGATION SINCE WE MET HERE. AND YOU GUYS ORDERED ONE. UH, I WAS ON THE LIST AND AS THE FATHER, I FIGURED I WOULD'VE BEEN CONTACTED. I WAS NOT, I DON'T KNOW WHY I HAD RELEVANT INFORMATION TO ALL OF THE ABOVE. SO I GUESS I'M GONNA SIGN OFF WITH THAT, JUST SAYING THAT, UH, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET TO HERE. AND THE, OH, ANOTHER THING, ONE OF THE THINGS WAS, UH, WE WERE JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON BETWEEN THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S [03:00:01] OFFICE AND THE DPD. THEY WERE JUST SENDING US BACK AND FORTH. OH, THEY GOT THE ANSWER. THEY GOT THE ANSWERS. THEY GOTTA SIGN OFF. THEY GOTTA SIGN OFF. WELL, WE CALLED DETECTIVE CLARK AFTER GOING TO THE ME'S OFFICE, JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT INFORMATION. TALKED TO HIM FOR A LITTLE WHILE, NOT ASKING TO CHANGE ANYTHING BECAUSE HE DOESN'T, HE DOES NOT DECIDE IF IT WAS SUICIDE OR NOT. IT'S ACTUALLY SOMEBODY IN DENTON COUNTY BECAUSE THIS WAS IN DENTON COUNTY. BUT HE, UH, HE RAISED HIS VOICE TO US AND SAID, WELL, YOU WEREN'T THERE THAT NIGHT. WELL, NEITHER WAS HE. AND WE HAVE A WHOLE LOT MORE INFORMATION THAN HE DID AT THE TIME. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UH, FOR ALL FOUR OF YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND, UH, I KNOW THE BOARD, WE WILL HEAR, UH, THE INVESTIGATOR'S FINDINGS, UH, LATER HERE IN THE, IN THE, IN THE MEETING. UH, WE'LL HEAR CASE NUMBER, UH, NI 2025 DASH OH SEVEN 13, LYNN ROTH. AND SO WHENEVER WE HEAR THE INVESTIGATORS REPORT, UM, THIS IS REGARDING THIS TESTIMONY. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. UM, AND FOR YOUR TESTIMONY AND FOR YOUR COMMENTS. AND, UH, WE'LL NOW CONTINUE ON, UH, AND GET TO THAT CASE HERE IN A SECOND. CRITICAL INCIDENT. IT WAS AN . OH, A THIRD. YEAH, THAT. OKAY. I DIDN'T LIKE TO INVITE INVESTIGATOR HUFF, UH, TO THE, TO, UH, THE MICROPHONE. AND, UH, WE'LL BEGIN, UM, WITH CRITICAL INCIDENT NOTIFICATIONS. AND, UH, WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA TWO, BUT I JUST HEARD THERE MIGHT BE A THIRD. SO THERE WERE ONE, UM, THERE WAS A, ON SUNDAY, UM, THERE WAS A CRITICAL INCIDENT THAT I RESPONDED TO. UM, 51 50, UM, LEMON AVE. UM, I RESPONDED TO THAT, UM, OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING. I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT WE'LL HAVE IT ON THE NEXT MEETING AGENDA. BUT JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT JUST THIS AGENDA WAS ALREADY PUBLISHED WHEN THAT INCIDENT HAPPENED. UM, SO, UH, JUST FOR THE BOARD, UH, TO KNOW. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THESE CRITICAL INCIDENTS, OF COURSE, ARE UNDER INVESTIGATION. SO, UM, THERE'S LIMITS TO THE QUESTIONS WE CAN ASK, BUT, UH, FOR THE SAKE OF TRANSPARENCY, WE ARE ALWAYS NOTIFIED AS A BOARD. AND WE WILL HEAR, UH, ABOUT THESE CRITICAL INCIDENCES AND, UH, MEETING TO MEETING. SO THESE ARE THE CRITICAL INCIDENTS THAT OCCURRED, UM, IN BETWEEN OUR LAST MEETING TILL NOW. SO I DO WANT TO, UH, INVITE INVESTIGATOR HUFF TO, UH, SHARE, UH, HIS INSIGHT ON IN THE REPORT ON THESE INCIDENTS. OKAY. SO THE FIRST, UM, CRITICAL INCIDENT OCCURRED ON JANUARY 17TH, 2026 AT APPROXIMATELY 5:13 PM AND THE 1200 BLOCK OF PRESIDIO AVENUE OFFICERS WERE DISPATCHED TO A HEATED ARGUMENT BETWEEN TWO BROTHERS. AND THEY WERE BOTH ARMED AND A GUNSHOT WAS FIRED. WHEN OFFICERS ARRIVED IN THE AREA, THEY SAW ONE OF THE BROTHERS, OSCAR, SIA, WALKING DOWN THE STREET CARRYING TWO FIREARMS. HE HAD ONE IN EACH HAND. OFFICERS GAVE MULTIPLE COMMANDS FOR HIM TO DROP THE WEAPONS, AND HE DID NOT OBEY ANY OF THOSE COMMANDS. UM, HE THEN STARTED TO POINT THE WEAPONS TOWARDS THE OFFICERS SHOTS WERE FIRED AND OSCAR SALANI WAS HIT AND WENT DOWN. UM, OFFICERS PROVIDED FIRST AID AND HE WAS THEN TRANSPORTED TO THE HOSPITAL WITH NON-LIFE THREATENING INJURIES. AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE A VIDEO OF THE, UM, BODY-WORN CAMERA VIDEO OF THE INCIDENT. IF WE COULD PLAY THAT NOW. PLEASE. HIS HAND. YEAH. GOT IN HIS HAND. HEY, HE GOTTA GET, HE GOTTA GET IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET. DROP THE F*****G DROP IT, DROP IT, DROP THE F*****G GUN, DROP IT, DROP IT GUN, DROP THE F*****G GUN. F*****G WATCH. CROSS FIRE. HEY, DROP THE GUNS. DROP IT, DROP IT. DROP THE GUNS. DROP THE F*****G, DROP THE F*****G GUNS. DROP THE F*****G GUN RIGHT NOW. DROP IT. DROP IT. DROP THE F*****G GUN RIGHT NOW. DROP IT. DROP THE F*****G GUN. DROP IT. DROP IT. DROP THE F*****G GUN. DROP THE GUN. DROP THE GUN. THE TRUMP IT F*****G GUN. [03:05:09] WATCH. HEY, MOVING UP. DROP IT F*****G HANDS UP. GET THE F*****G HANDS UP. HANDS UP. HANDS UP. HANDS UP. HANDS UP. HANDS UP. DON'T F*****G MOVE. F*****G MOVE, BRO. YOU GOT IT. HEY, WHERE ARE YOU SHOT AT? YOU GOT ONE ON HER LEG? YEAH, IT IS IT GUN IN HIS HAND. HEY, HE GOT A GUN. HE GOT A GUN IN THE MIDDLE STREET. DROP THE F*****G GUN. DROP IT. DROP THE F*****G GUN. DROP. DROP THE F*****G GUN. DROP IT. DROP THE F*****G GUN. DROP THE F*****G GUN RIGHT NOW. NOW DROP THE F*****G GUN RIGHT NOW. DROP THE F*****G GUN. DROP IT. DROP THE F*****G GUN. DROP THE F*****G GUN RIGHT NOW. DROP IT. DROP THE F*****G GUN. DROP IT GUN. DROP THE F*****G GUN RIGHT NOW. DROP IT. F**K. HE'S WALKING. DROP IT. DROP THE F*****G GUN RIGHT NOW. DROP IT. DROP THE F*****G GUN. DROP IT. DROP IT. DROP THE F*****G GUN. DROP THE GUN. DROP IT. DROP THE GUN. DROP THE F*****G GUN. DROP IT. DROP THE F*****G GUN. DROP IT. DROP THE F*****G GUN. DROP IT. DROP IT. GOT UP. DROP IT RIGHT NOW. GET YOUR F*****G HANDS UP. GET YOUR F*****G HANDS UP. GET HIM UP RIGHT NOW. GET HIM UP. GET HIM UP. YEP. YEP. KEEP YOUR ARM ON. YEP. HEY, HE'S GOT A GUN. HE'S GOT A GUN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET. GUN WITH TWO FIREARMS. DROP THE GUN. DROP THE GUN. DROP THE F*****G GUN. I MOVE FORWARD. YOU ARE GOOD. GO, GO, GO THE RADIO. THE RADIO. F*****G GUN. DROP THE F*****G GUN. DROP THE F*****G GUN. DROP THE F*****G GUN. F*****G GOD. F*****G, F*****G. HANDS UP. GET SOME F*****G HANDS UP. HANDS UP. I GOT THEM. I GOT GUNS OVER HERE. SO THOSE CIRCLES ARE, UH, WEAPONS. YEAH, THOSE ARE FIREARMS. THE HANDGUNS HE WAS HOLDING. THANK YOU, INVESTIGATOR. UM, AGAIN, THIS IS OF COURSE, UH, UNDER [03:10:01] INVESTIGATION, BUT ANY OBSERVATIONS OR, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR VIDEO? JUST ONE QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. HUFF, DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT BUILDING WAS BEHIND THE SUSPECT? I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THAT WAS. OKAY. COULD HAVE BEEN ANYTHING. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER OBSERVATIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? CHURCH? LIKE A CHURCH? YEAH. WELL, AGAIN, THIS IS UNDER INVESTIGATION, UH, CURRENTLY, BUT, UM, UH, WE WILL CONTINUE TO WATCH THESE CRITICAL INCIDENTS. THERE'S ONE MORE I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TODAY. YES. UH, AND DO WE HAVE A VIDEO FOR THIS ONE? NO, NO VIDEO FOR THIS ONE. OKAY. SO THE SECOND ONE WAS ON FEBRUARY 2ND, 2026. UM, AND APPROXIMATELY 8:41 PM OFFICERS RESPONDED TO THE DISTURBANCE AT THE APARTMENTS IN THE 4,300 BLOCK OF WOOD HOLLOW DRIVE. UPON ARRIVAL, THEY WERE INFORMED THAT A MALE WAS INSIDE A BATHROOM WITH A GUN. OFFICERS THEN HEARD A FEMALE ALSO INSIDE THE BATHROOM YELLING, HE HAS A GUN, HE HAS A GUN. OFFICERS ENTERED THE BATHROOM, AND SHOTS WERE EXCHANGED. UH, TWO OFFICERS DISCHARGED THEIR WEAPONS DURING THIS INCIDENT. BOTH INDIVIDUALS INSIDE THE BATHROOM WERE STRUCK AND THEY'RE BOTH, UM, TRANSPORTED TO THE HOSPITAL. AND THE OFFICER HIMSELF WAS ALSO STRUCK BY A BULLET IN HIS VEST. AND THAT'S ALL THE INFORMATION I HAVE ON THAT ONE. AND, UH, UH, FOR THAT ONE, IS THERE ANY BODY CAM FOOTAGE THAT'S ACCESSIBLE? ANYTHING BEEN PUB? HAS ANYTHING BEEN PUBLISHED ON THE YOUTUBE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THIS ONE? YEAH, THEY HAVE RELEASED, UM, UH, IT WAS LIKE A LITTLE PRESS CONFERENCE WHERE THEY DID SHOW SOME VIDEO, BUT IT WAS A KIND OF WEIRD ANGLE. I DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD SHOW UP GOOD HERE. SO I DID NOT PULL THAT VIDEO. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY. SO FIRST ONE IS UNDER INVESTIGATION. UH, BOTH OF THEM, UH, ARE UNDER INVESTIGATION. OKAY. WE'LL NOW MOVE, UH, TO, UM, CASES, CONSIDERATION OF INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS. SO, UH, THESE, THIS ONE CASE THAT WE'LL HEAR, UM, PUT FORTH BY LYNN ROTH, WHO SHE WAS I GUEST SPEAKER DOWN HERE WITH HER FAMILY. UM, THIS IS AN INVESTIGATION THAT OUR INVESTIGATOR HAS ALREADY COMPLETED. SO WE VOTED ON THIS CASE A FEW MONTHS AGO, AND THEN HE'S GONE THROUGH HIS INVESTIGATION. AND THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE RESULTS OF HIS FINDINGS, AND SO WE'LL HEAR FROM HIM. AND THEN WE AS A BOARD WILL VOTE AFTER SOME TIME OF DISCUSSION IF WE NEED IT, UM, ON WHETHER WE WANT TO APPROVE, UM, THESE FINDINGS AND, UH, ACCEPT THE FINDINGS OF THE INVESTIGATOR. UM, AND ALSO THERE'S THE OPTION TO, UH, TO VOTE AGAINST THAT. UM, SO . OKAY. PERFECT. AND WE HAVE, UH, SIERRA OBSU, UH, NEXT TO, UH, INVESTIGATOR HUFF, UH, FOR SPECIFIC QUESTIONS REGARDING POLICY. 'CAUSE I THINK, UH, ONE OF, UM, THE QUESTIONS THAT WE ARE FACED WITH AS, AS A BOARD IS A, IS A POLICY ISSUE. WERE THERE ANY POLICY VIOLATIONS? UM, AND, UH, SO SIERRA IS HERE TO HELP US, UH, WITH THOSE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT ARE POLICY RELATED. SO I'D LIKE TO, UH, GIVE THE FLOOR NOW TO INVESTIGATOR HUFF, UH, TO SHARE HIS FINDINGS. I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE THE REPORT IN OUR BI, OUR BINDER AS WELL, SO WE CAN FOLLOW ALONG WITH THE INVESTIGATOR, UM, WITH THE REPORT PROVIDED FOR US IN OUR, OUR FOLDER UH, INVESTIGATOR FLOOR IS YOURS. OKAY, SO ON AUGUST 5TH, 2025, LYNN ROTH SUBMITTED A COMPLAINT TO THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT AND MADE THE FOLLOWING ALLEGATIONS. SENIOR CORPORAL CLARK CONCLUDED THAT HER SON'S DEATH WAS A SUICIDE WITHOUT CONDUCTING A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION. SHE ALSO COMPLAINED THAT SENIOR CORPORAL CLARK THREATENED TO ARREST HER HUSBAND FOR INTERFERING WITH THE INVESTIGATION, AND ALLEGED THAT HER HUSBAND'S, UM, CONTACTED A DETECTIVE AND ASKED THEM TO CHANGE THEIR OFFICIAL REPORT. SHE ALSO COMPLAINED THAT SENIOR CORPORAL CLARK SUBMITTED PAPERWORK FOR LYNN ROSS TO RETRIEVE THE HANDGUN USED IN THE INCIDENT. SHE HAD REQUESTED THAT THE PAPERWORK BE CHANGED TO ALLOW HER HUSBAND TO PICK UP THE HANDGUN, BUT SENIOR CORPORAL CLARK SAY THAT IT HAD ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED. UH, INTERNAL AFFAIRS REVIEWED THE COMPLAINT AND THEY DETERMINED THAT THERE WERE NO, UH, POLICY VIOLATIONS, SO NO INVESTIGATION WAS WARRANTED. WHEN I LOOKED AT THE, UM, THE INCIDENT, UM, IN REGARDS TO THE COMPLAINT ABOUT THE THOROUGH INVESTIGATION, THE MAIN EVIDENCE IN THIS CASE ARE TWO TEXT MESSAGES THAT WERE SENT THE NIGHT BEFORE THE DECEASED WAS DISCOVERED. AT 10:30 PM HE SENT A TEXT TO HIS MOTHER ASKING HER TO WATCH HIS CATS. THEN A LITTLE OVER A HALF HOUR LATER, HE SENT A TEXT TO HIS BROTHER THAT STATED QUOTE, IF I EVER SHOOT MYSELF, HIDE MY SIG SHIT'S EXPENSIVE. JUST SAYING IF. AND IN [03:15:01] THAT TEXT, THE WORD SIG IS REFERRING TO AS SIG ZUR HANDGUN. THAT'S THE TYPE OF HANDGUN THAT THE DECEASED HAD. SO THE, THOSE TWO TEXT MESSAGES AND OTHER EVIDENCE, UM, AT THE SCENE WOULD BE THE DECEASED HAD A SINGLE GUNSHOT WOUND TO THE ABDOMEN. THE GUNSHOT WAS FIRED FROM CLOSE RANGE. THERE'S A HANDGUN FOUND NEXT TO THE DECEASED, WHICH WAS THE SIG ZUR. THERE'S A SINGLE SPENT SHELL CASING FOUND NEXT TO THE DECEASED. THE APARTMENT WAS FOUND LOCKED FROM THE INSIDE. THE DECEASED HAD A HISTORY OF DEPRESSION, AND THE MEDICAL EXAMINER CLASSIFIED THE DEATH AS A SUICIDE. SO, BASED ON THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED IN THE REPORTS AND WHAT WAS SEEN ON THE BODY-WORN CAMERA, IT WAS REASONABLE TO CONCLUDE THAT ANY OFFICER PRESENTED WITH THESE FACTS WOULD, WOULD COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION. AS SENIOR CORPORAL CLARK, THERE'S NO INFORMATION UNCOVERED TO SUGGEST THAT THERE'S ANY MISCONDUCT ON THE PART OF SENIOR CORPORAL CLARK. AND NO INFORMATION WAS GATHERED TO SUGGEST THAT THE INVESTIGATION WAS INCOMPLETE OR THAT ANY FURTHER INVESTIGATION WOULD YIELD A DIFFERENT OUTCOME. THE FINDING FOR THIS ALLEGATION IS LISTED AS EXONERATED. ON THE SECOND COMPLAINT ABOUT SENIOR CORPORAL CLARK THREATENING TO ARREST HER HUSBAND, UH, LYNN ROTH ADMITTED THAT SHE AND HER HUSBAND, WHO WAS A FORT WORTH POLICE OFFICER, SPOKE TO SENIOR CORPORAL ROSENBERG AND ASKED HIM TO PUT IN THE REPORT WHAT HE FELT HAD HAPPENED. LYNN ROTH EXPLAINED THAT SENIOR CORPORAL ROSENBERG BELIEVED HER SON HAD AN ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE WHEN HE WAS TRYING TO CLEAR HIS WEAPON, AND THEY WANTED THE REPORT TO REFLECT THAT. PATRICK ROTH ADVISED THAT AFTER HE AND HIS WIFE SPOKE TO SENIOR CORPORAL ROSENBERG, HE RECEIVED A CALL FROM SENIOR CORPORAL CLARK ADVISING HIM THAT IF HE SPOKE TO C CORPORAL ROSENBERG AGAIN AND INTERFERED WITH THE INVESTIGATION, HE WOULD FILE OFFICIAL OPPRESSION CHARGES AGAINST HIM. UM, I DID NOT FIND ANY POLICY VIOLATIONS, UH, WITH C CORPORAL CLARK MAKING THIS STATEMENT. THEREFORE, THE FINDING FOR THIS ALLEGATION IS ALSO EXONERATED. AND THEN IN THE THIRD COMPLAINT ABOUT THE, UM, UH, THE REQUESTED PAPERWORK FOR THE GUN AND, UH, LYNN ROTH REQUESTING THAT IT BE, UM, PUT IN HER HUSBAND'S NAME TO PICK UP. SO, IN THE EMAILS PROVIDED BY LYNN ROTH, SENIOR COBRA CLARK ADVISED THAT THE PAPERWORK FOR HER TO PICK UP THE WEAPON HAD ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED IN HER NAME. SENIOR COBRA CLARK FURTHER ADVISED THAT IT WAS COMPLETED IN HER NAME SINCE SHE WAS THE NEXT OF KIN. LYNN ROTH'S HUSBAND WAS NOT THE DECEASED BIOLOGICAL FATHER. AND REGARDING THE PROPERTY RELEASE PROCESS, THE ASSIGNED DETECTIVE SERVES AS THE AUTHORIZER FOR THE RELEASE BECAUSE THEY ARE THE INVESTIGATOR ON THE CASE. THIS PROCESS IS HANDLED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS AND IS OUTLINED IN INTERNAL PROCEDURES DUE TO THE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES OF EACH CASE. THERE'S NO STANDARDIZED PUBLIC FACING PROCESS ONCE A DETECTIVE AUTHORIZES THE RELEASE. ADDITIONALLY, AFTER REVIEWING POLICIES FROM NEIGHBORING CITIES, THE O-C-O-P-O FOUND THAT IT IS CONSIDERED BEST PRACTICE TO RELEASE PROPERTY TO THE ESTATE, OR THE NEXT OF CAN. IT'S ALSO COMMON FOR THESE PROCEDURES TO REMAIN INTERNAL, GIVEN THE COMPLEXITY AND VARYING NATURE OF THE INVESTIGATIVE CASES. SO BASED ON THAT INFORMATION, I FOUND THAT THERE'S NO POLICY VIOLATION FOR THIS, AND THAT IT WAS EXONERATED FOR SENIOR CORPORAL CLARK, I THINK THE INVESTIGATOR. UH, SO OF THE THREE COMPLAINTS, NUMBER ONE, UM, THAT THE COMPLAINT WAS THAT THERE WAS NOT A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION, UH, YOUR CONCLUSION WAS EXONERATED. YES. AND THEN, UH, THE SECOND COMPLAINT, UM, HAD TO DO, UM, WITH WHEN, UH, LYNN ROTH COMPLAINT CLAIMS THAT SENIOR CORPORAL CLARK THREATENED TO GATE, HAVE HER HUSBAND ARRESTED FOR INTERFERING WITH THE INVESTIGATION. UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE POLICY, YOUR CONCLUSION FOR THE OFFICE IS EXONERATED FOR THAT COMPLAINT? YES. CORRECT. AND THE, THE THIRD, UM, WAS REQUESTED THAT SENIOR CORPORAL CLARK COMPLETE PAPERWORK SO THAT HER HUSBAND COULD PICK UP THE HANDGUN THAT WAS COLLECTED AS EVIDENCE AND CLAIM THAT SENIOR, SENIOR CORPORAL CLARK REFUSE THIS REQUEST. UH, BASED ON YOUR CONCLUSION, THAT WAS ALSO EXONERATED. UM, WHO DID YOU SPEAK WITH IN YOUR INVESTIGATION? I'M SORRY, WHO DID I, UH, WHO WERE THE PEOPLE THAT YOU INTERVIEWED, UH, WHEN YOU CONDUCTED THIS INVESTIGATION REFERENCE? YEAH. WHO DID YOU, UH, TALK WITH, UH, TO GET THIS INFORMATION? DID YOU INTERVIEW ANYONE? THE, THE FAMILY? UH, OH, YES. YES. YEAH. WHO DID YOU, WHO DID YOU TALK TO? YEAH, I, I TALKED TO THE MOTHER. I SPOKE TO THE STEPFATHER, AND I SPOKE TO THE BROTHER, AND I SPOKE TO, UM, THE, UH, SUPERVISOR FROM THE DECEASED, UH, EMPLOYMENT. [03:20:02] OKAY. SO, UH, YOU TALKED TO THE, THE MOTHER, THE, THE STEPFATHER AND THE BROTHER WYATT. AND THEN, UH, DID YOU TALK TO ANY, ANY OF THE DETECTIVES? NO, I DID NOT TALK TO ANY OF THE DETECTIVES. I REACHED OUT TO THEM, BUT, UH, THEY CHOSE NOT TO SPEAK TO ME. OKAY. UH, I WANNA OPEN IT UP, UH, AT TIME, AT THIS TIME FOR THE BOARD FOR ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS. UH, THIS WILL BE QUESTIONS THAT WOULD ADD CLARITY, IF THERE'S ANY AMBIGUITY. AND THEN, UH, AFTER THIS TIME OF ROUND OF QUESTIONS, AND WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND THERE'LL BE ANOTHER TIME OF DISCUSSION, UH, ABOUT HOW WE FEEL ABOUT THIS CASE. BUT FOR CLARIFICATION, UH, MR. FREEMAN, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? UH, BRANDON FREEMAN, DISTRICT 14, UH, MR. HUFF, UM, RAYMOND HERNANDEZ SAID IN HIS INTERVIEW THAT THERE WAS A MAGAZINE ON THE SHELF OR A TABLE AND THE GUN BELOW IT. UH, IS THAT TRUE THAT THE MAGAZINE HAD BEEN REMOVED FROM THE WEAPON? CORRECT. SO HE'S SITTING AT THE DESK AND HE DROPS HIS MAG. THE MAGAZINE APPEARED TO BE LIKE ON TOP OF THE DESK. I DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS SITTING UP, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE WEAPON. HE WAS OUTSIDE THE WEAPON. HE JUST DROPPED IT FROM THE WEAPON. RIGHT. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU'RE CLEARING A WEAPON. RIGHT. HE DROPPED THE MAG AND YOU CLEAR IT, AND THE BULLET POPS OUT UNLESS CORRECT, UNLESS YOU GOT YOUR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER UNINTENTIONALLY, AND THEN YOU DO THAT. SO I'VE, I MEAN, I, I'VE, I HAVE FORMAL TRAINING IN FIREARMS. I'VE USED THEM PROFESSIONALLY. I, IT JUST, THIS DOESN'T, THIS DOESN'T LOOK INTENTIONAL TO ME. AND SO, UM, LIKE, SO THE MEDICAL EXAMINER IS THE ONE WHO DECIDED IT WAS A SUICIDE. RIGHT. DOES THE MEDICAL EXAMINER HAVE EXPERTISE IN FIREARMS AND HOW YOU CLEAR ONE, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXPERTISE IS THAT THE MEDICAL EXAMINER HAS. OKAY. IT JUST, IT TO ME, IT, FROM WHAT I KNOW ABOUT FIREARMS AND WEAPONS, IT, IT, IT, IT SEEMS VERY, LIKE IF, IF I'M CLEARING A SEMI-AUTOMATIC HANDGUN LIKE THAT, THAT'S EXACTLY, YOU, YOU DROP IT, UM, AND THEN YOU, YOU PULL THE SLIDE BACK ROUND COMES OUT AND THE WEAPON'S CLEAR. CORRECT. UNLESS YOU HAVE IT POINTED AT YOUR STOMACH WHEN YOU DO IT AND YOU ACT AND YOU HAVE YOUR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER UNINTENTIONALLY, AND THEN YOU CAN SHOOT YOURSELF. AND THAT, THAT, THAT IS WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE TO ME, VERY, VERY CLEARLY. THAT'S WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE TO ME. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A SUICIDE. SO I'M NOT SURE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE, WHERE THIS FALLS IN TERMS OF EXONERATION OR NOT EXONERATION. UM, I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN POLICE INVESTIGATIONS OR, YOU KNOW, CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATIONS, SUICIDES, WHATEVER. UM, BUT I, I, AS SOMEONE WHO HAS HANDLED A LOT OF FIREARMS, IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE IT WAS INTENTIONAL TO ME. UM, RIGHT. AND WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS EVIDENCE THAT THE, THE DETECTIVE WAS LOOKING AT IS, YES, THE MAGAZINE WAS OUT. LIKE YOU SAID, IT COULD BE CLEARING, BUT I CAN'T, UH, IGNORE THAT TEXT MESSAGE WHERE HE GIVES INSTRUCTIONS ON WHAT TO DO IF HE SHOOTS HIMSELF. I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S AN ASSUMPTION. I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW THE CONTEXT OF THAT. THAT'S ONE TEXT MESSAGE. IT COULD HAVE BEEN OUT OF A WHOLE CONVERSATION. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. BUT I, I JUST KNOW THAT THIS SCENE TO ME, AS DESCRIBED, AND I OBVIOUSLY WASN'T THERE, BUT IT, IF YOU'RE GOING TO, IF YOU'RE GONNA SHOOT YOURSELF INTENTIONALLY, YOU DON'T DROP THE MAG. AND IF THE MAG, IF THE MAGAZINE WASN'T IN THE WEAPON, THEN IT LOOKS LIKE, I MEAN, HE DROPPED IT, PULLED THE SLIDE BACK AND ACCIDENTALLY SHOT HIMSELF, IS WHAT IT APPEARS TO ME. BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M WORKING WITH LIMITED INFORMATION. UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. UM, AND THEN I, I ALSO HAVE A CONCERN HERE WITH, UM, UH, SENIOR CORPORAL CLARK AND SENIOR CORPORAL ROSENBERG NOT, OR, OR DECLINING TO BE INTERVIEWED. UM, THIS DOESN'T SEEM NO ONE WAS ACCUSING THEM OF A, WELL, I, I'M NOT SURE. I, I, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS, IF IT, IF IT'S CRIMINAL OR NOT. UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW THESE INVESTIGATIONS WORK, BUT, UM, I WOULD, I WOULD NOT BE WILLING TO GIVE THEM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT, UM, IF THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO SIT AND DISCUSS IT WITH YOU. SO THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THAT. AND I'LL, I'LL CONCLUDE THERE. ANY OTHER, UH, CLARIFY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS ABOUT STATE JUDGE SLANDER? YES. JUDGE LANDER, UM, DISTRICT EIGHT, WITH RESPECT TO THE ACTIONS OF SENIOR CORPORAL CLARK, IS IT YOUR POSITION, OR IS IT, UM, HAVE YOU FOUND THAT IT IS A POLICY THAT A, UM, IF INDEED [03:25:01] WHAT IS ALLEGED IS TRUE, THAT THE CORPORAL BASICALLY THREATENED THE FAMILY? UM, IS THAT NOT A VIOLATION OF SOME POLICY? HE INFORMED HIM THAT HE WOULD FILE CHARGES ON HIM. THAT'S A THREAT IF HE CONTINUE THAT ACTION. AND I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY POLICY VIOLATION FOR THAT. WELL, THE ACTION THAT HE WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT OR SAYING ABOUT, UM, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN OPINION AS TO WHAT THAT ACTION WAS, WHETHER THERE WAS A, AN ATTEMPT TO CHANGE THE DETERMINATION OR WHETHER THERE WAS A DISCUSSION BETWEEN A FAMILY MEMBER AND THE OFFICER. BUT MY QUESTION IS WHETHER THE SENIOR CORPORAL CAN, UM, LEGITIMATELY WITH, WITHOUT VIOLATING ANY POLICY, BASICALLY THREATEN TO FILE, UH, CHARGES AGAINST A FAMILY MEMBER. RIGHT. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY POLICY. I LOOK FOR A POLICY ON THAT. I COULD NOT FIND ANY. MS. SIERRA, IS THERE ANY POLICY THAT YOU KNOW OF THAT, UH, ALLOWS OR PROHIBITS SUCH ACTION? UH, NOT CURRENTLY. UH, THAT IS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WITH RESPECT TO THE SENIOR CORPORAL'S ACTIONS. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, HERE. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE ANY DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS WAS A, A SUICIDE VERSUS AN ACCIDENTAL DEATH. BUT, UM, WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT SENIOR CORPORAL'S ACTIONS. AND, UM, IF IT'S NOT A POLICY, IT CERTAINLY FLIES IN THE FACE OF PROPER DECORUM OF A SENIOR CORPORAL INTO HAVING A DISCUSSION WITH A FAMILY MEMBER. AND I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH THAT. ANY OTHER CLARIFYING QUESTIONS BEFORE WE, UM, TAKE THIS TO A VOTE? SO, YES. UM, JONATHAN MAPLES, UM, DISTRICT TWO, AND LIKE MR. FREEMAN, I'VE HAD LOTS OF TRAINING WITH WEAPONS, ESPECIALLY SIDEARMS PISTOLS. AND IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE FARFETCHED. AND JUDGING BY THE WAY THE REPORT READS TO ME, I SEE IT MORE AS BEING ACCIDENTAL THAN SELF-INFLICTED. UM, AND WHEN YOU WERE SPEAKING, WELL, DENIED TO SPEAK WITH THE INVESTIGATORS, INVESTIGATORS, THAT KINDA, THAT, HONESTLY, THAT RUBS ME THE WRONG WAY. BECAUSE IF YOU, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU LET 'EM KNOW YOU'RE INVESTIGATING SOMETHING AND THEY AND THEY PRETTY MUCH TELL YOU, NAH, YOU'RE NOT GONNA INTERVIEW US. THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY COLDBLOODED BECAUSE THAT HAMPERS YOU FOR MAKING A DECISION, A REAL DECISION FOR CLOSURE. AND, UH, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S VERY UNFORTUNATE. AND, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, I, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE GO FROM HERE, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THIS WAS A SUICIDE. AND THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT. ANY OTHER CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, UH, DIRECTED TOWARDS INVESTIGATOR HUFF FOR THE POLICY ANALYST, SIERRA BASU Y BEFORE, UH, WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? YES. MS. KING, THE, OUR SPEAKERS TONIGHT SAID THAT THEY HAD 10 PEOPLE THEY GAVE TO YOU, AND YOU INTERVIEWED FOUR, OR SPOKE TO FOUR. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR, YOUR PROCESS WHEN YOU ARE DOING AN INVESTIGATION, AND IF YOU HAVE A LONG LIST OF POTENTIAL SUBJECTS TO INTERVIEW, HOW DO YOU DETERMINE YOU'RE GONNA DO SOME BUT NOT ALL? OR I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU APPROACH THAT. COULD YOU TALK ABOUT THAT? UH, WHEN DOING AN INVESTIGATION, YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT IS GOING TO BE, UM, HELPFUL TO YOUR INVESTIGATION. WHAT IS GONNA PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION? UM, I KNOW THAT, LIKE THEY MENTIONED, I DID IN, IN INTERVIEW THE, UH, THE BIOLOGICAL FATHER, UH, HE WAS ON BODY-WORN CAMERA SUPPLYING A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT WAS CLEAR WHAT HIS STANCE WAS ON THE INCIDENT. I DIDN'T SEE ANY NEED TO SPEAK TO HIM. THERE WASN'T ANY FURTHER INFORMATION I NEEDED FROM HIM. UM, AND, AND I'M LOOKING AT KIND OF THE STANDPOINT FROM THE DETECTIVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT HE SHOULD BE DOING. YOU KNOW, DID HE DO A PROPER INVESTIGATION? AND BASED ON THE INFORMATION HE HAD, THE PEOPLE HE SPOKE TO AT THE SCENE, UM, UH, AND THE INFORMATION HE HAD, I DIDN'T SEE ANY FURTHER NEED TO, TO SPEAK TO ANY OTHER FRIENDS OR, OR FAMILY INVESTIGATOR WITH THE, UM, SISTERS AT THE SCENE SAYS SHE WAS PRESENT AT THE TIME IT HAPPENED. WHY WOULD YOU NOT HAVE INVE, UH, INTERVIEWED HER? [03:30:03] I INTERVIEWED THE SISTER. YES. SHE INDICATED TO US JUST NOW THAT SHE WAS PRESENT AT THE SCENE, UH, SHE WAS ALSO AT THE SCENE ON BODY-WORN CAMERA WITH DETECTIVE CLARK. AND BECAUSE SHE WAS ON THE BODY-WORN CAMERA, YOU DIDN'T WANT TO GET DIRECT INFORMATION FROM HER. YEAH. THERE WASN'T ANY FURTHER INFORMATION I FELT I COULD GET FROM HER. AND I AGREE BY THE WAY, THAT, UH, UH, UNLESS IT'S, UNLESS SOMEONE'S TAKING THE FIFTH AMENDMENT, THEY SHOULD BE SPEAKING TO AN INVESTIGATOR FROM THIS BOARD, UH, OR EXCUSE ME, FROM THIS, UM, AGENCY REC, UH, FROM THIS OFFICE. AND WHEN THEY DON'T, THAT THROWS A FLAG INTO MY FACE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A POLICY. IS THERE A POLICY THAT REQUIRES OFFICERS TO SPEAK WITH US WHEN WE ARE ASKING FOR THEIR INPUT? NO, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE OFFICERS TO SPEAK. THEY HAVE, THERE IT IS VOLUNTARY. THAT'S A PROBLEM. UM, UNLESS THEY'RE, UM, CRIMINALLY NOT LIABLE AND FEEL THAT THEY WOULD BE, UM, GIVING WITNESS TESTIMONY AGAINST THEMSELVES UNDER THE FIFTH AMENDMENT AND REFUSING TO TESTIFY OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, THEY SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO AT LEAST COMMUNICATE WITH THE OFFICE WHEN AN INVESTIGATION IS BEING CONDUCTED BY THE OFFICE. I KNOW THEY'RE REQUIRED TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS WHEN THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS IS DOING AN INVESTIGATION. WHY SHOULDN'T THEY BE REQUIRED TO DO THE SAME THING WITH US? IF THEY ARE NOT, IT MAY BE, UH, TIME FOR A POLICY CHANGE THERE. AND, UH, AS THE DIRECTOR SAID THAT, WOULD, THAT, UM, WOULD NEED TO BE AN ORDINANCE CHANGE. UH, AND, UM, HEY, I, I CAN, WHATEVER CHANGE IS NECESSARY. AGREED. YEAH. UM, OKAY. UH, ANY, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION, UH, LET'S MOVE THIS. UH, AND SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS, UM, I THINK I, I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN IF A BOARD MEMBER COULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, AND FOLLOW ME HERE. 'CAUSE HOW WE DO IT, UH, WILL DETERMINE. BUT IF I COULD HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FINDINGS, UM, AND THEN WE CAN NEITHER VOTE ARE WE TALKING? ALL THE FINDINGS ARE INDIVIDUAL. OKAY. SO, UH, UH, UPDATE. YEAH. SO, UH, WE HAVE TWO CHOICES FOR A MOTION. UH, ONE MOTION WOULD BE, UH, TO APPROVE THE FINDINGS OF THE OCPO, AND, UM, AND THEN WE CAN VOTE ON THAT AND EITHER APPROVE OR DENY THE, THE SECOND OPTION, WHICH MIGHT BE THE EASIEST IN THIS CASE. UH, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE. WHAT THE BOARD DECIDES, UH, IS TO, UM, DISAGREE WITH THE FINDINGS OF THE OCPO INVESTIGATOR IN THAT CASE. UM, THIS REPORT WOULD, UH, THE OFFICE WOULD NOT CONDUCT ANOTHER INVESTIGATION. UM, BUT, AND WE WOULD COMMUNICATE TO THE CHIEF. WE WOULD SEND IT, WE WOULD SEND THE REPORT, BUT MENTION THAT THE BOARD DISAGREED WITH THE FINDINGS. UM, AND THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD, UH, THIS VOTE WOULD, WOULD END. UNLESS THERE'S A DIFFERENT MOTION. THERE ARE THREE CHARGES AGAINST THIS SENIOR CORPORAL. CAN'T WE TAKE THEM INDIVIDUALLY? WE CAN. THAT'S, IF THAT'S THE DESIRE OF THE BOARD, WE CAN DO THAT. YEAH, WE CAN, MR. CITY ATTORNEY. OKAY. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . YEAH. THEN THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. BUT, UM, NO MOTION HAS BEEN MADE. SO I GUESS I'LL MAKE ONE. UH, I MOVE THAT, UH, WE MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO ACCEPTANCE OR REJECTION OF THE OFFICER'S, UM, DETERMINATION INDIVIDUALLY FOR EACH OFFENSE. OKAY. UM, AND ARE, ARE YOU, IS YOUR MOTION, UM, ALLEGED OFFENSE? ALLEGED OFFENSE? AND IS YOUR MOTION, UM, IN THE AFFIRMATIVE REVO WE'LL GO EACH ONE, UM, WANTING TO APPROVE IT, OR, I THINK IT'S A MOTION, MR. CHAIR, JUST TO DIVIDE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE TAKE ABOVE INDIVIDUALLY. OKAY. SO THE FIRST MOTION IS, CAN WE TAKE EACH MOTION UP, OR AT FIRST, THE FIRST MOTION IS, CAN WE TAKE EACH OF THESE COMPLAINTS INDIVIDUALLY? OKAY. SO, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? UH, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? AYE. AYE. I THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS. AND, UH, SO NOW, UH, WE WILL NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR EACH OF THE COMPLAINTS. SO ON, UH, PAGE ONE WAY WILL HELP US OUT IS ON, UH, PAGE SEVEN, UH, IN OUR BOARD PACKET WITH THIS CASE, UM, WE CAN, UH, SEE CLEARLY WHAT EACH COMPLAINT IS AND THE FINDINGS OF THE OFFICE. [03:35:01] SO, UH, COMPLAINT NUMBER ONE WAS COMPLAINANT LYNN ROTH CLAIMS THAT SENIOR CORPORAL CLARK CONCLUDED THE DEATH WAS A SUICIDE WITHOUT CONDUCTING A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION. UM, AND THE RESULTS FROM THE OCPO INVESTIGATION IS THAT THIS ALLEGATION IS EXONERATED. UH, DO I ENTERTAIN, UH, A MOTION FROM THIS BOARD, UH, ON HOW WE WANT TO RESPOND TO THIS FINDING? HEARING NONE, I WOULD MOVE THAT, UM, THIS FINDING BE, UM, REJECTED. THERE'S A MOTION, UH, FROM, UH, BOARD MEMBER JUDGE LANDERS TO, UH, REJECT THIS FINDING FROM OUR, FROM THE BOARD'S PERSPECTIVE, TO DISAGREE WITH THE FINDINGS FROM THE OFFICE REGARDING COMPLAINT NUMBER ONE. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. UH, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT. ANYBODY HAVE ANY FEELINGS THEY WANT BEFORE WE TAKE THIS TO A VOTE? UH, THEY'D LIKE TO EXPRESS, UH, REGARDING THIS COMPLAINT? I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, MS. SIMON? UM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO IT'S TO. I GUESS IT'S, I GOTTA BE TO YOU. UM, UM, I DON'T, I'M CONFUSED ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN INVESTIGATION BEING THOROUGH AND A CONCLUSION OF THE INVESTIGATION BEING WRONG. AND SO, DO YOU HAVE HELP TO FIGURE THAT OUT? LIKE I I, IN YOUR INVESTIGATION, WERE YOU LOOKING AT WHETHER THE CONCLUSION WAS RIGHT OR WRONG? OR WERE YOU LOOKING AT WHETHER THE EVIDENCE WAS GATHERED AND CONSIDERED? AM I MAKING SENSE? RIGHT. THE EVIDENCE, I FELT EVIDENCE WAS GATHERED AND IT WAS CONSIDERED AND CAME TO A LOGICAL CONCLUSION. AND YOU DIDN'T OPINE ABOUT WHETHER THE CONCLUSION WAS RIGHT OR WRONG, JUST THAT THE INVESTIGATION WAS THOROUGH. RIGHT. SO, LIKE, IF THE CONCLUSION HAD BEEN ACCIDENTAL, I WOULD STILL LOOK AT THE SAME THING, YOU KNOW? AND THE DETECTIVE MADE A, A DECISION BASED ON THE INFORMATION HE HAD, AND I FELT THE DECISION HE MADE HERE, THE CONCLUSION MATCHED WITH THE EVIDENCE THAT HE HAD FOUND. OKAY. AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG INVESTIGATOR, BUT, UH, DOES THE INVEST, DOES THE SENIOR CORPORAL CLARK, UH, IS HE THE ONE THAT DETERMINES THE CAUSE OF DEATH? NO, THAT'D BE THE MEDICAL EXAMINER. AND SO HE PROVI HE GETS THE EVIDENCE AND SENDS IT TO THE MEDICAL EXAMINER, AND THEN THE MEDICAL EXAMINER IS THE ONE THAT MAKES THE DETERMINATION OF THE CAUSE OF DEATH. RIGHT. THE MEDICAL EXAMINER CAME TO THE SCENE AND, AND OBSERVED THEIR OWN EVIDENCE. AND THEN, WELL, THE, THE DEATH INVESTIGATOR CAME TO THE SCENE, THE DEATH INVESTIGATOR, MR. CHAIRMAN, WHO WORKS FOR THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE. SO, UM, FOR THE BOARD TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON, THAT IS A CLEAR DISTINCTION. UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, OF COURSE, THE COMPLAINT IS WHETHER THIS WAS A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION. EXCUSE ME, I JUST NEED CLARIFICATION. WAS THE DEATH INVESTIGATOR AND A MEDICAL PERSON WHO DETERMINES THE CAUSE OF DEATH? NO. SO THE MEDICAL EXAMINER DOES, WILL YOU EXPLAIN THAT PROCESS? THE INVESTIGATOR WORKS FOR THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE AND DOES THE INITIAL LEG WORK OF COLLECTING THE EVIDENCE. AND THEN, UM, AT THE CRIME SCENE, SHE REPRESENTED THE MEDICAL EXAMINE IN COUNTY IT OUT THERE. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. UH, YEAH. YEAH. WILL YOU EXPLAIN TO US, UH, FOR THE BOARD, UM, WHAT THAT PROCESS IS? JUST SO WE UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS OF A CRIME SCENE TO A DETERMINATION OF CAUSE OF DEATH? WHO'S INVOLVED? WHAT'S THE PROCESS AND WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE? SO THEY CALL THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE. WHEN THEY FIND THE, UH, DECEASED, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES, THEY SEND A INVESTIGATOR OUT. THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE DOES. THAT PERSON IS, TAKES THE CRIME SCENE. YOU KNOW, THEY INSPECT THE CRIME SCENE, THEY WRITE A REPORT ON IT. AND WHEN THE BODY IS TRANSPORTED BACK TO THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE, THE MEDICAL EXAMINER DOES THEIR, UM, EXAMINATION OF THE BODY AND MAKES THE DETERMINATION FOR, UM, MANNER AND CAUSE OF DEATH. AND SO, UH, JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON AND WHAT THE, WHAT THE PROCESS IS, IS, UM, IT'S CLEAR THAT WHAT MS I THINK IT WAS A GREAT CLARIFICATION, MS. SIMON, THAT WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL IN WHAT WE TALK ABOUT IS, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE INVESTIGATION. DID THE POLICE OFFICER IN THIS CASE, DID THE SENIOR CORPORAL CLARK CONDUCT A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION? UH, AND SO THAT, THAT IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. I MADE THE MOTION THAT I MADE, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THE SENIOR CORPORAL DID NOT DO A PROPER INVESTIGATION. 'CAUSE HAD HE DONE A PROPER INVESTIGATION, THEN THE CONCLUSION, I BELIEVE WOULD'VE BEEN DIFFERENT FROM SUICIDE. [03:40:01] AND SO THEREFORE, I, UM, MOVED THAT THE, UH, CON CONCLUSION OF THE OFFICE BE REJECTED. YEAH. MOTIONS BEEN MADE. WE'RE STILL IN DISCUSSION. ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE TAKE THIS TO A VOTE? I, I'M STILL UNCLEAR WHO DETERMINED THE CAUSE OF DEATH. THE MEDICAL EXAMINER, UH, THE MEDICAL EXAMINER DETERMINED THE CAUSE OF DEATH. OKAY. MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, BRENDA? I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WEAPONS EXPERIENCE THE MEDICAL EXAMINER HAS, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE WEAPONS EXPERIENCE ARE SAYING THAT THIS WAS UNLIKELY TO HAVE BEEN INTENTIONAL. SO, MYSELF INCLUDED, FOR THAT REASON, I'M GOING TO BE VOTING TO REJECT THIS FINDING. MM-HMM . AND I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. SOUNDS GOOD. ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE TAKE THIS TO A VOTE? DEREK PE MR. PEGRAM, DISTRICT SIX. UM, I'M GETTING BACK TO WHERE IF SE, SENIOR CORPORATE CORPORAL CLARK, UM, WHAT THEY CALL THOROUGH, UM, WHICH AS THE PARENTS STATED, A LOT OF THINGS WERE JUST LEFT OUTTA WHAT THEY READ. UM, IT WASN'T THOROUGH. SO WHEN ANOTHER PERSON IS SIT DOWN, SENT DOWN TO LOOK OVER THE SCENE AND MAKE A, A DECISION ACCORDING TO WHAT WAS WRITTEN, IT WOULDN'T BE THOROUGH. YOU UNDERSTAND? SO THEREFORE, WHEN HE GETS BACK TO HIS BOSS AND SAYS, HEY, THAT WAS A SUICIDE WITHOUT HAVING THOSE KIND OF, UH, CREDENTIALS AS FAR AS WEAPONS, I DON'T, BUT I CAN HEAR EXACTLY. WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT, UM, DEPRESSION PLAYED A PART IN IT, BUT THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THE TI MEAN, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN SOMETHING THEY HEARD AND MADE A CONCLUSION FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, JUST MY COMMON SENSE, WHICH ISN'T SO COMMON. AND THEN YOU SAY THAT, UM, ONCE AGAIN, ALL THE INFORMATION THAT THE FAMILY IS SAYING WAS PRESENTED WAS NOT IN THE REPORT. WHICH MEAN THE CORPORAL, THE CORPORAL CLARK DID NOT PUT EVERYTHING IN THERE. HOW COULD THEY MAKE A CONCLUSION THAT IT WAS SUICIDE AND NOT AN ACCIDENT? BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, IF, WELL, IF I HAD TO THINK ABOUT SUICIDE AND I HIT MYSELF IN THE STOMACH, THAT WOULD BE PAIN. LIKE, YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT, AS OPPOSED TO JUST DOING IT. YOU, YOU GOT THE, YOU GOT THE ABILITY, YOU GOT THE EVERYTHING YOU NEED. AND WHO'S TO SAY THAT? JUST BECAUSE I'M DEPRESSED AND I'VE BEEN THERE, THERE BEFORE, THAT THIS IS WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE TODAY. YOU SEE, THEY'VE ALREADY WROTE THE APPETITE, AND IT'S LIKE, FOR WHAT? YEAH. THANK YOU, MR. PETER. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, BEFORE WE, WE VOTE, IT APPEARS, UH, THAT WE'RE READY TO VOTE AND WE'LL DO A, A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS ONE AS WELL. AND, UM, AND SO THE MOTION MADE, UH, BY JUDGE LANDER, UM, WAS TO REJECT THIS FINDING. SO THAT'S CORRECT. IF YOU, UH, VOTE YES. YOU ARE SAYING THAT, THAT, UH, YOU AGREE THAT, UM, CORPORAL SENIOR CORPORAL CLARK DID NOT CONDUCT A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION. IF YOU VOTE YES, YOU ARE VOTING, UH, THAT SENIOR CORPORAL CLARK DID NOT CON CONDUCT A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION. UH, AND IF YOU VOTE NAY, YOU ARE AGREEING WITH THE FINDINGS OF THE OFFICE. AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT, UH, THIS PARTICULAR, UH, COMPLAINT IS EXONERATED. ARE WE CLEAR ABOUT THE, THE VOTE? SO YES. IS REJECT YES. IS REJECT, YES. IS REJECT. UM, WE'LL DO A, A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS ONE. UH, DISTRICT TWO, JONATHAN MAPLES. DISTRICT TWO? YES. REJECT? YES. UH, DISTRICT THREE CHAGAS. DISTRICT THREE? YES. DISTRICT FOUR. DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH. DISTRICT FOUR? YES. DISTRICT SIX, DERRICK PEGRAM. DISTRICT SIX? YES. DISTRICT EIGHT, JUDGE. THE VICTOR LANDER. DISTRICT EIGHT? YES. DISTRICT 10. DISTRICT 10. JENNY KING. YES. DISTRICT 13. JULIA SIMON. DISTRICT 13? NO. DISTRICT 14. DISTRICT 14. BRENDA FRIEDMAN. YES. MOTION PASSES. . OH, FORGOT. SEE, UH, DISTRICT 15. JOHN MARK DAVIDSON. AYE, VOTE YES. MOTION PASSES. AND WE AS A BOARD HAVE VOTED THAT WE DISAGREE WITH THIS FINDING. AND, UH, WE AGREE THAT, UH, THIS COMPLAINT THAT SENIOR CORPORAL CLARK DID, UM, DID NOT CONDUCT [03:45:01] A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION. SO WHEN WE SEND THIS REPORT, UH, TO THE POLICE, UH, CHIEF, IT WILL BE NOTED. UM, THE BOARD DISAGREED WITH THIS ONE. LET'S MOVE TO SECOND. UH, THE SECOND COMPLAINT. UH, COMPLAINANT LYNN ROTH CLAIMS THAT SENIOR, SENIOR CORPORAL CLARK THREATENED TO HAVE HER HUSBAND ARRESTED FOR INTERFERING WITH THE INVESTIGATION. THE FINDING OF THIS ALLEGATION IS EXONERATED. DO I HAVE A MOTION, UM, WITH THIS PARTICULAR COMPLAINT, BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14. I MOVE THAT WE REJECT THE FINDING. THERE'S BEEN A MOTION SECOND TO REJECT. IT'S BEEN SECONDED. UH, BEFORE WE TAKE THIS TO A VOTE, WANNA, UH, GIVE A CHANCE FOR THE BOARD TO SHARE THEIR, THEIR THOUGHTS ON THIS CASE? UH, ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES. UH, THE ONLY I, I DON'T, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD, THAT WOULD REALLY BENEFIT FROM THESE POLICE OFFICERS PARTICIPATING. UM, AND I'M NOT GOING TO IN APPROVE AN EXONERATION ON THIS IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA AGREE TO DISCUSS IT. SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT I FIND THEM GUILTY OF ANYTHING, BUT I CAN'T VOTE TO EXONERATE IF I HAVEN'T HEARD THEIR SIDE OF IT. THANK YOU, JUDGE LANDY, DISTRICT EIGHT. I AGREE WITH, UH, MY ESTEEMED COLLEAGUE. UM, PERHAPS WE CAN SEND A MESSAGE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT WHEN YOU'RE CALLED UPON BY THIS, UH, OFFICE TO, UH, GIVE YOUR SIDE OF A STORY, YOU CAN'T JUST KICK US TO THE CURB. UM, AND SO I WOULD AGREE THAT, UM, MY, MY THOUGHT IS NOT NECESSARILY THAT HE IS GUILTY OR WHATEVER, BUT I DO THINK THAT HIS FAILURE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS SHOWS JUST A DISDAIN FOR THE OFFICE AND, UH, THROUGH THAT, A DISDAIN FOR THIS BOARD. AND I DON'T LIKE BEING DISDAINED. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES, MS. KING. I FEEL LIKE THIS MIGHT NOT BE THE FIRST TIME THAT THEY'VE, UH, DECLINED TO TALK WITH OUR GROUP, BUT I, THAT'S A FEELING NOT BACKED UP WITH FACTS. IT'S JUST MEMORY BROUGHT, YOU KNOW, SO I, I, I'M INTERESTED, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. I'M NOT ASKING FOR A THOROUGH REVIEW OF PAST, UM, REPORTS, UM, INVESTIGATIONS. BUT I WOULD, I WOULD CONCUR WITH, UH, MR. FREEMAN FRIEDMAN ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO TALK TO THEM AND HEAR THEIR POINT OF VIEW AND PERSPECTIVE. AND I KNOW THAT, UM, THERE, WE CAN'T HEAR EVERY SINGLE WORD THAT WAS SAID, BUT I, WITHOUT TALKING TO US, IT'S REALLY HARD TO CONCLUDE EFFECTIVELY ANY OTHER COUNCIL WE TAKE TO A VOTE. MR. PEGRAM, DEREK PEGRAM. ONCE AGAIN, UH, IF NOTHING ELSE IS SAID, IT'S ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. WHY IS IT FROM THE CORPORAL TO US? AND, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE OUR INVESTIGATOR COME AND TRY TO TALK TO THEM. AND WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO? ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, THERE'S NO MORE COMMENTS. UH, WE'LL TAKE THIS, UH, TO A VOTE AS WELL. AND, UM, THE MOTION HAS BEEN TO REJECT THE FINDINGS FROM THE OCPO. SO YES, MEANS REJECT, UH, NO MEANS EXCEPT, UH, THE FINDINGS. UH, AND AGAIN, UM, THE RESULTS OF THIS WILL BE NOTED, UH, WHEN THIS IS SENT. UM, SO ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE VOTE? CAN I JUST, UH, YES. UH, ONE COMMENT FROM THE DIRECTOR. SO ONE OF THE THINGS I, I WANNA ADD, THERE ARE DIFFERENT FINDINGS. SO, UM, I THINK WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING, THERE'S NOT SUSTAINED, WHICH IS INSIGNIFICANT EVIDENCE TO CONFIRM OR DENY WHETHER THE ACTS OCCURRED. SO YOU CAN HAVE A FINDING LIKE THAT TO KIND OF SAY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T DENY OR DISPROVE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO, TO STATE THAT. SO THAT MIGHT BE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. UM, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE, UM, WHAT YOUR OFFICE HAS RECOMMENDED. THAT IS NOT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE RECOMMENDED A DIFFERENT FINDING BECAUSE YOU THEN, BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF, AND WE NEED TO REJECT THE RECOMMENDATIONS THERE AND SEE IF WE CAN GET YOU TO MAKE ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION. UM, AND I JUST, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THERE HAS BEEN OTHER INVESTIGATION THAT WE HAVE DONE. MAJORITY OF OUR CASES ARE, WE DO NOT HAVE OFFICER, UM, INTERVIEWS. THAT'S NOT SAYING WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD OR NOT. I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT FOR THE RECORD, MAJORITY OF THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THIS BOARD DID NOT HAVE OFFICERS, UM, PROVIDED AN, AN INTERVIEW TO OUR OFFICE. I JUST WANNA NOTE THAT. AND SO, UH, WHEN WE VOTE, UM, ALSO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OF COURSE WE DEAL WITH POLICY. SO IF WE VOTE YES, WE'RE SAYING THAT WE FEEL A [03:50:01] POLICY HAS BEEN VIOLATED, AND, UM, IF WE VOTE NO, THEN UM, WE ARE, UM, NO. IF WE VOTE YES, WE VOTE, WE, THIS IS SO CONFUSING. DISAGREE WITH THE FINDINGS. YEAH, WE DISAGREE WITH THE FINDINGS THAT A POLICY HAS BEEN VIOLATED. UM, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE THIS, UH, TO A VOTE CHAIR, MR. CHAIR. YES. I DO THINK THERE ARE SOMETIMES, UH, CASES THAT MAYBE MAKE IT MORE APPARENT THAT A POLICY COULD BE REVISED, AND PERHAPS THIS IS ONE OF THOSE CASES. UM, I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON THIS CASE, UH, BUT THERE WAS SOME COMPELLING INFORMATION SHARED WITH US TODAY. IT'S REALLY INTERESTING IN WRITING. INTERESTING TO HEAR INVESTIGATOR HUFF. UM, SO I DON'T, IF WE'RE STARTING TO MEET WITH THE POLICE CHIEF ONCE A MONTH, THAT MIGHT BE A CONVERSATION. IF IT'S AN ORDINANCE THAT NEEDS CHANGING, WE ALL, WE ALL COMMUNICATE WITH OUR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES, AND I WILL TALK TO MY COUNCILWOMAN ABOUT CONSIDERING THAT IN THE FUTURE. AND, UM, TRANSPARENCY IS REALLY IMPORTANT. AND SO I WOULD HOPE THAT OUR POLICE CHIEF WOULD ENCOURAGE HIS FORCE TO COOPERATE NOT ONLY WITH INTERNAL AFFAIRS, WHICH MAYBE THEY'RE OBLIGATED TO, BUT WITH US TO ASSURE TRANSPARENCY, WHETHER IT'S THIS CASE OR ALL FUTURE CASES. AND, UM, THE MORE YOU SIT AT THIS TABLE AND, AND HEAR ABOUT, READ THESE REPORTS AND HEAR ABOUT THEM, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S INTERESTING THE PERSPECTIVES THAT WE HEAR. AND I KNOW IT'S A VERY FRAUGHT, DIFFICULT SITUATION. BUT I DO THINK, UM, WE'RE BRINGING UP SOME IMPORTANT QUESTIONS ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. HMM. ALRIGHT, WE'LL TAKE THIS TO A VOTE. UM, WE'LL DO A, UH, A ROLL CALL, VOTE AGAIN. UH, DISTRICT TWO, UM, JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO I, I REJECT. UH, DISTRICT THREE. OH, I BELIEVE YOU'RE ON MUTE. MR. HIGGINS. SERGEANT HIGGINS. DISTRICT THREE, UH, REJECT DISTRICT FOUR. YES. YES. TO REJECT, UH, DISTRICT SIX. YES. YES. TO REJECT DISTRICT EIGHT. YES. DISTRICT 10, DISTRICT 10. JENNY KING. UH, YES. TO REJECT DISTRICT 13, JULIA SIMON, DISTRICT 13. YES. TO REJECT DISTRICT 14. DISTRICT 14. BRANDON FRIEDMAN. YES. DISTRICT 15, JOHN MARK DAVIDSON. I'LL GO YES. TO REJECT MOTION PASSES. UM, THAT WE AS A BOARD DISAGREE WITH THE FINDINGS OF THE OCPO OFFICE THAT, UH, THIS FINDING HAS BEEN EXONERATED. THE LAST COMPLAINT THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TODAY IS A COMPLAINT THAT LYNN ROTH REQUESTED THAT SENIOR CORPORAL CLARK COMPLETE PAPERWORK SO THAT HER HUSBAND COULD PICK UP THE HANDGUN THAT WAS COLLECTED AS EVIDENCE AND CLAIMED THAT SE SENIOR CORPORAL CLARK REFUSED THIS REQUEST. UH, THE FINDING OF THIS OFFICE HAS BEEN THAT THIS ALLEGATION IS EXONERATED. UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION FROM THIS BOARD REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR COMPLAINT? LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FOUR. I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE FINDINGS. THERE'S BEEN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE FINDINGS OF THE OCP OFFICE. IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND THE MOTION. OH, DISTRICT, DISTRICT SIX THERE. DISTRICT SIX. SECOND THE MOTION. UM, BEFORE WE TAKE THIS TO A VOTE, ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS? UM, I'LL JULIA SIMON, DISTRICT 13. I'LL JUST POINT OUT, UM, THIS ISSUE ABOUT WHO CAN PICK UP WHAT HAS COME UP IN, IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT, AT LEAST A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES. SO I THINK IT'S A POLICY ISSUE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THE WAY THE POLICY STANDS HAS BEEN A POLICY VIOLATION. I DO THINK WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER THERE'S SOME RECOMMENDATIONS WE CAN MAKE TO MAKE SURE, UM, PEOPLE CAN, UM, GET THEIR PROPERTY BACK, WHETHER IT'S NEXT OF KEN OR WHETHER IT'S THE ORIGINAL PERSON, BUT THAT'S POTENTIALLY FOR ANOTHER DAY. CAN SIERRA, UM, ANSWER TO, AS FAR AS THE POLICY REVIEWED? I THINK ON, SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME. I JUST WANTED SIERRA TO ANSWER TO THE POLICY SHE WAS HERE, UM, TO KIND OF ADDRESS THAT ISSUE ABOUT THE POLICY AND WHAT THE ONES THAT WE LOOKED AT. YEAH, I I WAS JUST SAYING, I KNOW WE HAVE, UM, UM, ON THIS BOARD HAD MORE THAN THIS CASE WHERE THE DEPARTMENT TALKED ABOUT THIS ISSUE. [03:55:01] AND I DO THINK THE POLICY IS THAT THEY ARE VERY PARTICULAR ABOUT WHO THEY WILL RELEASE PROPERTY BACK TO, WHETHER IT'S YOUR OWN OR WHATEVER. AND WE, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT. SO MY POINT IS SIMPLY BASED UPON THAT, I AGREE WITH, UM, UH, THE, THE MOTION THAT THERE WAS NO POLICY VIOLATION IN THIS INSTANCE. HOWEVER, MY POINT WAS, I DO THINK SEPARATELY FROM THIS DECISION, WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER WHETHER THERE ARE SOME POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS WE CAN MAKE TO MAKE IT EASIER AND FAIR FOR PEOPLE TO GET PROPERTY BACK. THAT'S ALL. UM, WELL, IT'S A COMMON PRACTICE FOR THEM TO RELEASE IT TO THEIR NEXT, THE NEXT OF KIN OF THE DECEASED OR THE ESTATE. UM, LOOKING AT OTHER NEIGHBORING POLICIES, IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD THE SAME. UM, SPEAKING TO THE PROPERTY ROOM, IT'S ALSO THE SAME. AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN INTERNAL SOPS REGARDING WHO IS, UH, THE AUTHORIZER TO RELEASE THAT. NORMALLY IT'S THE DETECTIVE OR A SENIOR CORPORAL, UM, THAT AUTHORIZES THAT RELEASE. BUT IT IS VERY MUCH SO COMMON PRACTICE FOR THEM TO RELEASE IT TO THE NEXT OF KIN AND, UH, OR THE ESTATE BASED ON, UM, CERTAIN, UH, SITUATIONS REGARDING SPECIFICALLY, UH, A HANDGUN. UM, IT JUST DEPENDS CASE BY CASE. UH, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT INVESTIGATION? OH, NO, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE POLICY IS. I JUST, AS FAR AS A LATER DATE AND A LATER TIME, I, I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER WE, AS FAR AS RECOMMENDATIONS WE CAN, I DO UNDERSTAND IT AS FAR AS RECOMMENDATIONS. WE CAN, UM, DO FURTHER RESEARCH ON THAT TO SEE IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. OKAY. IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW HOW, WHO DETERMINES WHAT, WHO'S NEXT OF KIN WHILE YOU DOING YOUR RESEARCH? USUALLY, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S THE COURTS. UH, THERE'S SOME SORT OF DOCUMENT THAT RELEASES THAT. AND SO NEXT TO KEN OR THE ESTATE. AND SO IN THIS CASE, THE NEXT OF KIN WILL BE THE MOTHER. I'M SORRY. SO IN THIS CASE, THE NEXT OF KIN WILL BE THE MOTHER, CORRECT? BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE FATHER WAS A, THE STEPFATHER. YEAH. SO, BUT THE MOTHER ASKED THAT IT BE RELEASED TO SOMEONE ELSE. ANYWAY. I'M SORRY. NEVERMIND. I'LL, UH, YOU'RE GONNA LOOK INTO THAT POLICY. YEAH. SO THERE'S BEEN A MOTION, UH, TO ACCEPT THESE FINDINGS HAVE BEEN SECONDED. YES. WHAT DO YOU SAY? WE TAKE THIS TO A VOTE? UH, DISTRICT TWO? UH, YES. YES. TO ACCEPT THE FINDINGS. DISTRICT THREE. OH, DISTRICT DISTRICT THREE IS NO LONGER HERE. DISTRICT FOUR? YES. DISTRICT FIVE, SORRY. DISTRICT SIX. DISTRICT SIX. DEREK PEGRAM. YES. DISTRICT EIGHT. DISTRICT EIGHT. JUDGE LANDER. YES. DISTRICT 10. DISTRICT 10. JENNY KING? YES. DISTRICT 13. DISTRICT 13. JULIA. SIMON. YES. DISTRICT 14. DISTRICT 14. BRENDAN FRIEDMAN. YES. AND I'M, UH, DISTRICT 15, I SAY YES. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. UH, SO, UM, THE RESULTS ARE FOR THE FIRST COMPLAINT. DISAGREE. SECOND COMPLAINT. DISAGREE. THE THIRD COMPLAINT, WE AGREE. AND, UH, WE'LL SEND THESE, UH, RESULTS ALONG WITH OUR REPORT. THANK YOU. OUR BOARD AND, AND INVESTIGATOR, UH, FOR THAT, LET'S NOW MOVE TO THE, THE NEXT CASE, WHICH IS, UM, THIS IS A, UH, FOR OUR CONSIDERATION FOR AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW. SO, UH, WE'LL HEAR A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THIS CASE FROM INVESTIGATOR HUFF, AND THEN WE AS A BOARD WILL VOTE ON WHETHER WE WANT HIM TO SPEND MORE TIME ON THIS INVESTIGATION. FLOOR'S YOURS. OKAY. THE COMPLAINT CAME IN ON, UH, NOVEMBER 26TH, 2025, WHO WON. GCIO SUBMITTED A COMPLAINT TO THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, AND SHE MADE THE FOLLOWING ALLEGATIONS. SHE COMPLAINED OF A WARRANTLESS ENTRY INTO HER HOME BY THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICERS INC. UM, MADE AN UNLAWFUL INTRUSION INTO HER HOME'S, INTERIOR AND BACKYARD. UH, HUONG GI ALSO STATED THAT SHE WAS THREATENED WITH ARREST BY DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS. AND TO GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND, THE RESIDENCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS AN AIRBNB. IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, BUT INSIDE THEY HAVE IT SEPARATED THE DIFFERENT ROOMS INSIDE AND RUNNING EACH OF THOSE DIFFERENT ROOMS THROUGH AIRBNB. SO YOU COULD HAVE MULTIPLE RENTERS INSIDE THIS, THIS HOME. SO BACK ON OCTOBER 27TH, ONE OF THOSE RENTERS CALLED THE POLICE AND WAS, UM, COMPLAINING ABOUT, UH, THE MANAGER OF THIS AIRBNB MAKING UNAUTHORIZED ENTRY INTO HIS ROOM, AND THEN ALSO DOING A UNLAWFUL EVICTION PROCESS. UM, HE, AS HE WAS RENTING THAT ONE ROOM INSIDE THE HOUSE, SO OFFICERS CAME OUT AND TALKED TO HIM, AND, AND AFTER SPEAKING TO [04:00:01] HIM, UM, THEY DECIDED THEY WOULD SPEAK TO THIS MANAGER WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO BE INSIDE THIS RESIDENCE. SO THE RENTER LET THE OFFICERS INSIDE THE RESIDENCE, OFFICERS WALKED IN THE RESIDENCE. THEY KNOCKED ON THE SUPPOSED DOOR THAT THE MANAGER WAS IN, AND NO ONE ANSWERED. UH, THE OFFICERS EXPLAINED TO THE, UM, RESIDENT THAT, HEY, THIS IS A CIVIL PROBLEM, AND, AND WE'RE GONNA LEAVE. THEY LEFT, BUT THEY DID COME BACK A SHORT WHILE LATER, AND THEY DID FIND THE MANAGER PARKED OUT IN FRONT OF, IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE IN HER VEHICLE. AND THIS MANAGER ENDED UP BEING WHO? JUAN CIO, THE OWNER OF THE HOUSE. WHEN THEY SPOKE TO HER, SHE DID NOT PROVIDE ANY INFORMATION TO THEM. SHE REFUSED TO SAY WHO THE OWNER OF THE HOUSE WAS AND JUST DIDN'T WANNA GIVE THEM ANY INFORMATION. THE ONE OFFICER EXPLAINED TO HER THAT THIS IS AN ILLEGAL BOARDING HOUSE. THAT, AND THAT THEY WOULD GO GET A WARRANT FOR HER ARREST. THEN THE OFFICERS LEFT THE LOCATION. UM, THAT COMPLAINT WENT TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS. INTERNAL AFFAIRS DID THEIR PRELIMINARY REVIEW AND DETERMINED THAT THERE WAS NO VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENTAL POLICIES AND THEREFORE NO INVESTIGATION WAS WARRANTED. UM, OCP, WE DID OUR REVIEW ON IT, AND BASED ON THAT BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE, IT SHOWED THE OFFICERS ENTERING THE RESIDENCE, BUT WITH THE CONSENT OF THE RENTER. AND IT ALSO SHOWED THE, UM, ONE OFFICER TELLING, UM, WHO WONG GCIO, THAT THEY WOULD GO GET A WARRANT FOR HER ARREST FOR, UM, HAVING THE BOARDING HOUSE THERE. SO BASED ON THAT INFORMATION, UM, O-C-P-O-E, UM, CONCURRED WITH INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND DETERMINED THAT THERE WERE NO POLICY VIOLATIONS BASED ON OUR PRELIMINARY REVIEW. DO YOU KNOW IF, UH, SHE HAS BEEN ARRESTED OR IS THAT, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, ANYTHING TRANSPIRE AFTER THAT? I GUESS ONE OF HER COMPLAINTS IS THAT SHE WAS THREATENED BY ARREST. DID ANYTHING TRANSPIRE AFTER THAT? I, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY EVER GOT A WARRANT OR OKAY. ON THAT OR NOT. SOUNDS GOOD. UH, SO THIS IS OF COURSE FOR US TO DETERMINE WHETHER WE WANT THE INVESTIGATOR TO, UM, TO INVESTIGATE FURTHER, UH, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS TO ME, IF I CAN REPEAT, WHAT I HEARD IS THAT THIS, THERE'S A HOUSE THAT HAS AIRBNB SEPARATE ROOMS THAT PEOPLE CAN RENT. AND SOMEBODY WHO WAS RENTING ONE OF THESE ROOMS CALLED THE POLICE ON HUANG CHICHO. YES. FELT LIKE HE OR SHE WAS BEING MISTREATED BY HUANG CHICHO CALLED THE POLICE. THE POLICE COME, WONG CCHO ISN'T THERE, BUT THE TENANT OPENS THE DOOR. CORRECT. AND, UH, THEY GO IN BECAUSE THE, THEY, THE DOOR OPENED, THEY TALK TO HIM, DON'T TALK TO HER. 'CAUSE SHE'S NOT THERE. THEY LEAVE, THEY COME BACK LATER AND THEY TALK TO HER OUTSIDE. THEY DON'T ENTER. CORRECT. THEY DON'T ENTER. NO. AND NOW SHE'S COMPLAINING THAT THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE ENTERED IN THE FIRST PLACE. CORRECT. OKAY. BUT IF YOU ARE RENTING, UH, DO YOU HAVE THE RIGHTS, DO RENTERS HAVE RIGHTS IN THAT MOMENT TO INVITE A POLICE IN TO A PLACE THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE A RENTER, RIGHT? THE RENTER CAN CHOOSE WHO THEY WANT TO HAVE COME VISIT THEM OR NOT. OKAY. THAT'S CLEAR. ANY DISCUSSION? YEAH, I, I GOT A QUESTION ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THERE, IT'S BEING SAID, IT'S A AIRBNB WHERE THEY'RE IN A ROOM, IN MY KNOWLEDGE OF, OF MY SHORT LIFE. IF YOU RENT IN A ROOM, IT'S A BOARDING HOUSE. BUT IF IT'S AIRBNB, AIRBNB HAS A CONTRACT. SO THAT CONTRACT SAYS WHATEVER THAT RENTER CAN AND CANNOT DO. SO OUR HANDS ARE TIED BECAUSE THIS IS A, THIS IS A LEGAL ISSUE. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT'S, UH, I I THINK WE'LL GO ROUND AND ROUND WITH THIS. THAT'S JUST MY, THAT'S JUST MY, UH, POINT OF VIEW. YEAH. THE ISSUES WITH THEM AND AIRBNB EXACTLY ISN'T, YEAH, WE CAN'T ABOUT IT. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING. JUDGE LANDER, DISTRICT A AND I MOVE THAT THE, UM, OFFICE CONDUCT NO FURTHER INVESTIGATION ON THIS MATTER. MOTION'S BEEN MADE. IS THERE A SECOND? JULIA SIMON, DISTRICT 13 SECOND. IT'S BEEN SECOND BY, BY MS. SIMON. UH, ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE WE TAKE THIS TO A VOTE? UH, LET'S DO A VOICE VOTE ON THIS. I KIND OF GAUGE THE ROOM. UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAY. UH, THE MOTION PASSES. UH, THE OFFICE WILL NOT CONDUCT A, UH, DEEPER INTERVIEW, UH, REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR CASE. OKAY. MOVING ON. WE HAVE A FEW ITEMS LEFT, UH, ON THIS AGENDA. SO I THANK YOU FOR, UH, EVERYONE'S PATIENCE. BUT I DO WANT TO CALL TO THE MICROPHONE, OCPO, POLICY ANALYST, SIERRA OBA, GETTING CLOSE, RIGHT, WHO WILL SHARE ON THE DEVELOPMENT AND DISTRIBUTION OF THE NINE ONE ONE. WHEN TO CALL OR TEXT FLYER IN COLLABORATION WITH DPD EMERGENCY CALL CENTER. MR. OSU, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. AGAIN. UH, SIERRA OBASI, THE OCPO POLICY ANALYST. THIS IS A FLYER [04:05:01] THAT WE WORKED ON WITH THE 9 1 1 EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION CENTER AND DPD TO COLLABORATE AND CREATE AN INFORMATIONAL FLYER FOR RESIDENTS. IT'S IN YOUR BINDER. I KNOW IT'S IN YOUR AGENDA, BUT THERE IS A TAP SEVEN. TAP SEVEN. THERE IS AN ACTUAL PHYSICAL HARD COPY, UM, THAT YOU HAVE FOR YOUR OWN PERSONAL RESOURCE. BUT, UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE NOTICED WAS THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS DID NOT KNOW WHAT TO TELL CALL, UH, DISPATCHERS WHEN THEY ARE CALLING 9 1 1. WHAT TYPE OF INFORMATION IS HELPFUL FOR THE DISPATCHER TO DISPATCH THE APPROPRIATE RESOURCES? SO WE WENT THROUGH AND CREATED THIS DOCUMENT FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES. AND ALSO THERE IS, UH, FOR NON-EMERGENCIES, THERE'S ALSO 3 1 1 AS A RESOURCE. AND THE, WHICH MR. MAPLES, I BELIEVE YOU MENTIONED, THE DALLAS ON, UH, THE DALLAS POLICE ONLINE REPORTING SYSTEM. THAT'S ALSO A QR CODE FOR RESIDENTS TO SCAN AND MAKE THOSE NON-EMERGENT, UM, REQUESTS. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE PUSHED OUT TO THE CITY OF DALLAS EMPLOYEES. WE'VE ALSO PUSHED IT OUT TO COUNCIL MEMBERS. IT WAS INCLUDED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT 1, 2, 4, AND SEVEN OF THEIR NEWSLETTER. SO PEOPLE SEEM TO BE, IT'S BEING WELL RECEIVED FOR, UM, A DOCUMENT OF EDUCATION AND INFORMATION. THIS, IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE COPIES, WE HAVE SEVERAL COPIES IN THE OFFICE, SO YOU CAN HAVE THAT FOR YOUR RESIDENTS AS WELL. DID YOU NOT MENTION THIS DISTRICT SIX DISTRICT? WE DON'T HAVE IT ON OUR, ON OUR COUNCIL. UH, THE WEEK. YOUR NEWSLETTER. YEAH, IT WAS ON. I DIDN'T SEE IT. OH, I MISSED IT. BUT IF IT'S ON DISTRICT SIX, THAT'S AMAZING. UM, SINCE HE STEPPED AWAY, I'M GONNA JUST ASK YOU A DIRECT QUESTION. OKAY. I SHOULD HAVE ASKED THE 9 1 1 DIRECTOR THIS, BECAUSE I KNOW I ASKED IT LAST TIME, I THINK, OR I MENTIONED THAT. UM, I'VE BEEN TOLD TO CALL 9 1 1 IF WE THINK THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT DPD TO KNOW ABOUT. SO I'M GONNA USE AN UNHOUSED PERSON ACTING ERRATICALLY AS AN EXAMPLE. MM-HMM . UM, WHICH HAS HAPPENED TO ME BEFORE, AND NOT JUST STANDING ON THE CORNER, BUT ERRATICALLY. UM, SO I'VE CALLED THAT AND IT'S NOT LIFE THREATENING NECESSARILY, BUT IT, IT HELPS THEM KNOW, HAVE A DATA POINT THAT SAYS THIS INTERSECTION THREE PEOPLE HAVE CALLED IN THE LAST 20 MINUTES ABOUT THIS PERSON. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, THAT'S REFLECTED HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF THE 9 1 1 YEAH, JUDGE LANDER. SO SORRY IF THE 9 1 1 QUO RIGHT NOW. UM, IF YOU LEAVE, WE GOTTA TAKE A RECESS. UH, GO AHEAD. YEAH. ANYWAY, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS SO IMPORTANT ANYWAY, I JUST, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT HOW YOU WOULD RECOMMEND US TALK TO PEOPLE. 'CAUSE WE, UM, THAT'S NOT REFLECTED ON HERE. I MEAN, MAYBE THAT'S OKAY. ANYWAY, I'LL STOP TALKING. UM, SO YEAH, YOU, YOU CAN CALL IT, IT IS NOT REFLECTED ON HERE. UM, BUT YOU CAN CALL 9 1 1 OR THREE ONE ONE SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING JUST TO DOCUMENT AND HAVE A PINPOINT OF THIS PERSON. BUT IT'S, 'CAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW HOW THE SITUATION CAN TURN OUT. SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO CALL 9 1 1 FIRST AND THEN ALSO 3 1 1 IS A RESOURCE. I THINK THE SHORT OF IT DOUBT SHORT OF IT IS CALL 9 1 1 IF YOU'RE IN DOUBT OR IF YOU JUST WANNA KNOW THAT THEY, YOU JUST WANNA DOCUMENT SOMETHING. UM, AND YOU'RE NOT, IF YOU'RE DOCUMENTING IT, YOU'RE NOT DOING IT IN A, UM, UM, UNRESPONSIBLE MANNER. SO I JUST THINK WE ASK THAT OF OUR FELLOW NEIGHBORS TO BE THAT WAY. SIERRA, GREAT JOB. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS FLYER. WELL DONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, WE, UH, ARE GONNA MOVE NOW. MOVE ON. AND, AND, UH, I HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION WITH SENIOR OUTREACH SPECIALIST ALMA PEREZ, AND YOU DO THE TIME. SHE WAS GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO ALLOW US TO READ THESE DATES COMING UP. SO IF YOU COULD, THE BOARD MEMBERS TAKE THAT HOME, STUDY IT, PUT IT ON YOUR, YOUR, UH, WALL, UH, ON YOUR CALENDAR, UH, MEMORIZE THESE DATES AS WAYS, UH, THAT YOU COULD PARTICIPATE IN THE GOOD THINGS GOING ON. A LOT GOING ON. SO WE APPRECIATE, UH, THOSE, THE OUTREACH AND SO READ THOSE. UM, AND WE'LL NOW, UM, WHERE IS THAT MOVE TO THE, UH, THE FINAL PUBLIC COMMENT HERE? UH, JOHN PUTNAM, YOU'VE WAITED A LONG TIME FOR THIS MOMENT. YOUR WHOLE LIFE HAS BEEN TO THIS ONE TIME. THIS ONE SPEECH. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, MAN. I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR, UH, WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. AND I BELIEVE, DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? I'LL SAY, OKAY, COOL. YEAH. WHAT NEXT? YOU CAN COME ON DOWN. ALRIGHT. HEY, IS MICROPHONE ON? TURN THE MICROPHONE ON. THANKS. SORRY. YEAH, SORRY. YOU, YOU WAITED A LONG TIME AND YOU WANNA HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. THANKS. UH, [04:10:01] I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW TOO MUCH TONIGHT. UH, SO SORRY, JOHN. UH, YEAH. WAITED FOR THAT TIMER. YEAH. COOL. IS, YEAH, WE CAN GET THAT TIMER READY FOR YOU GETTING THAT TIMER READY FOR YOU. ALRIGHT. THE FLOOR'S YOURS. AWESOME. THANK YOU. I'LL TRY TO KEEP THIS SHORT AND SWEET 'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME AND IT'S KINDA HOT IN HERE, . UM, BUT, UH, I THINK FIRST AND FOREMOST, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU, UM, FOR THE WORK THAT Y'ALL DID TONIGHT. UH, SIGNING ONTO THE LETTER AND, UM, ALSO PROPOSING YOUR OWN LETTER TO ADDRESS, UM, SOME OF THESE ISSUES. UH, I THINK, UM, I THINK IT WAS BOARD MEMBER FRIEDMAN WHO SAID, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, DPD COOPERATING, YOU CAN'T COOPERATE WITH ICE AND HAVE PUBLIC TRUST. AND I THINK THAT, UM, YES, WE'RE ABSOLUTELY AT THAT POINT, UM, PEOPLE ARE SEEING WHAT'S GOING ON. UM, I CAN TELL YOU FIRSTHAND THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING TAKEN ARE NOT THESE AWFUL VIOLENT CRIMINALS. THEIR FAMILIES BEING SEPARATED, GOOD PEOPLE. UM, AND COOPERATION BY DPD WITH ICE DOES BREAK PUBLIC TRUST. UM, WE WANT, WE WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE SAFE AND THAT THEIR RIGHTS ARE PROTECTED, THAT THERE'S DUE PROCESS, THAT THE THINGS THAT WE TALK ABOUT IN THIS COUNTRY ARE REAL. UM, SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING A STAND TO JUST SAY LIKE, HEY, UH, YOU KNOW WHAT, DPD, WHEN THEY PARTICIPATE WITH ICE OR ANY, OR DHS, ANY FEDERAL AGENCY, THAT THERE'S CLEAR GUIDELINES, CLEAR TRAINING, THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHAT THAT IS, ALL THOSE THINGS. UM, THANK YOU FOR TAKING A STAND ON THAT. WE WANT YOU TO CONTINUE TO PUSH FOR THIS BECAUSE IT DOES MATTER TO SO MANY FAMILIES. UM, REGARDLESS OF IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO'S DOCUMENTED UNDOCUMENTED, AMERICAN BORN, BORN HALFWAY ACROSS THE WORLD, IT MATTERS TO, TO EVERYONE. UM, I KNOW THAT THE GROUPS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE PUSHED THIS, THAT SIGNED ONTO THE LETTER, THEY HAVE TRIED REALLY HARD TO REACH OUT TO COUNCIL MEMBERS IN OTHER WAYS, UM, BOTH ON SOCIAL MEDIA, SENDING EMAILS, TRYING TO SET UP MEETINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THEY'VE HAD A LOT OF PUSHBACK ON THAT. SO YOU GUYS SIGNING ON IS REALLY MEANINGFUL BECAUSE IT, IT HELPS AMPLIFY THIS VOICE OF CITIZENS. LIKE, YES, THERE ARE ORGANIZATIONS, YES, UM, SOME MIGHT CALL, UH, ME OR ANYBODY ELSE, AN ACTIVIST, BUT REALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE JUST PEOPLE THAT CARE AND RESIDENTS OF DALLAS THAT CARE. UM, AND I THINK, UH, THE LAST THING, UM, I'LL SAY IS THAT THIS BOARD DOES HAVE, UH, I THINK IT'S CITY CODE SECTION 37 DASH 32, ITEM SEVEN A ALLOWS YOU TO RECOMMEND TO THE CHIEF CITY MANAGER IMPROVEMENTS AND DEPARTMENT PROCEDURES, PRACTICES AND TRAININGS IN EARLY WARNING SYSTEM. AND ITEM B ALLOWS CPOB TO, UH, TO ACT AS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CITY, UH, CHIEF, CITY MANAGER AND CITY, UM, UM, UH, CITY COUNCIL. SO, YES, UM, Y'ALL JUST HAVE AUTHORITY WHENEVER YOU'RE MAKING THOSE DECISIONS. I WANT YOU GUYS TO, UH, KNOW THAT Y'ALL HAVE SOME AUTHORITY AND POWER IN THOSE, IN THAT REGARD. UM, AND YEAH, JUST TO KEEP, KEEP PUSHING THIS, WE ARE PROUD AND THANKFUL OF THE DECISION THAT YOU MADE TONIGHT TO SIGN ONTO THIS LETTER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JOHN. APPRECIATE YOU, MAN. WELCOME. HOW ARE WE DOING? UH, MY NAME IS ANTONIO SAN CONDE. UM, I'M GONNA KEEP IT SHORT. UM, BUT YES, WE DO NEED SUBPOENA POWER IN, IN THIS BOARD. UH, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT EVERY BOARD MEMBER HERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR FOR A VERY LONG TIME. UM, I MEAN, I I, ONE OF MY BIGGEST COMPLAINTS, UM, ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN, IN, IN THE CITY, UM, NOT ONLY AT CITY COUNCIL, BUT WITHIN THE DIFFERENT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, IS THAT THIS MATTER OF ICE IN OUR COMMUNITIES IS NOT BEING TAKEN SERIOUS ENOUGH. I MEAN, WE STARTED GETTING REPORTS OF PEOPLE BEING KIDNAPPED IN NEIGHBORHOODS, GAS STATIONS WHEN THEY'RE SHOWING UP TO THEIR FIELD OFFICES, UH, OR THEIR FIELD OFFICE APPOINTMENTS OR THEIR COURT HEARINGS BACK IN JUNE, JULY. I MEAN, WE'RE SIX MONTHS IN AND WE'RE JUST NOW TAKING THE FIRST STEPS ON ACCOUNTABILITY. SO WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT US? WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT THIS BOARD THAT WE ARE JUST NOW ACCEPTING THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING IN OUR CITY? RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE ARE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING DESTROYED EVERY SINGLE WEEK, JUST ABOUT 15 MINUTES AWAY FROM HERE. HUNDREDS. SO WHEN I HEAR, OH, WE'LL, WE'LL BRING IT UP FOR DISCUSSION NEXT MONTH, THE FIRST THING THAT POPS INTO MY MIND IS S**T. HOW MANY MORE HUNDREDS OF FAMILIES ARE SOME OF THESE ADVOCATES GONNA HAVE TO ANSWER THEIR PHONE CALLS FOR AND FIGURE OUT RESOURCES TO BRING THE, BRING IT TO THEM DIRECTLY? BECAUSE OFTEN THESE FAMILIES DON'T HAVE [04:15:01] A SINGLE F*****G RESOURCE THAT THE CITY IS MAKING AVAILABLE FOR THEM. THEY'RE STRUGGLING TO FIND FOOD, THEY'RE STRUGGLING TO FIND TRANSPORTATION BABYSITTERS. THEY'RE STRUGGLING TO FIND PASSPORTS, THEY'RE STRUGGLING TO PAY FOR, FOR, FOR BIRTH CERTIFICATES THAT THEY NEED IN ORDER TO FLEE THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE THEY DO NOT WANNA BE PERSECUTED. THEY DO NOT WANNA STAY ANOTHER MONTH IN DETENTION. I MEAN, A LOT OF THESE FAMILIES THAT ARE SEEKING ASYLUM THAT ARE BEING KIDNAPPED AT THIS FIELD OFFICE HAVE ALREADY BEEN IN DETENTIONS IN MU MULTIPLE OTHER COUNTRIES. THEY'RE TRAVELING FROM VENEZUELA AND COLUMBIA IN NICARAGUA AND HONDURAS ONLY TO BE MET WITH MORE PERSECUTION AND A CITY COUNCIL THAT DOES THE BARE MINIMUM TO PROTECT THEM AND PUT AN INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE TO JUST PROVIDE THOSE BASIC NEEDS THAT IN ORDER TO SURVIVE. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MIND BOGGLING THE AMOUNT OF FAMILIES THAT HAVE LIVED IN THIS CITY THAT PAY TAXES IN THIS CITY, THAT WORK IN THIS CITY, THAT HAVE KIDS THAT ATTEND BISD SCHOOLS THAT ARE BEING SEPARATED RIGHT NOW AT THE FIELD OFFICE. WHY ARE WE NOT ADVOCATING FOR THEM? THEY LIVE IN DALLAS, DISTRICT TWO AND 12 AND 14 AND ONE ALL OVER THE CITY. THEY'RE TAXPAYERS. AND BY THE WAY, I'LL MAKE AN, UH, I'LL MAKE A, A REALLY QUICK OBSERVATION. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CITIZENS, WE ARE EXCLUDING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MOSTLY BEING AFFECTED RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. HEY, THANK YOU SO MUCH THAT TO SAY I'VE SEEN THIS GUY IN THE COMMUNITY. WE SHOULD TAKE WHAT HE SAYS. UH, HE HE'S THE REAL DEAL. HE DOES GOOD, GOOD FOR THE CITY. SO THANK YOU. OKAY, WELL MAN, WE, UH, I THINK WE'VE HAD A GOOD MEETING. YOU KNOW, HAD A LONG ONE. IT'S BEEN A LONG ONE. I THOUGHT THEY DIRECTOR SAID WE'D BE DONE BY EIGHT 30. I DON'T KNOW. UH, DID I SAY THAT THAT IS THE GOAL. I'M TRYING TO GET YOU TO SEVEN 30 AND I YOU CANNOT, I HAD A COUNSEL, I HAD A COUNCIL PERSON STOP ME IN THE PARKING LOT. TELL ME YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BE THERE A LONG TIME. SO THE WORD WAS OUT. YEAH. WELL, WE DID, WE DID THE GOOD WORK TONIGHT. AND, UM, ANYWAY, I DO, IS THERE ANYBODY ONLINE THAT WE WANT TO LISTEN TO? NO. ANYBODY ONLINE? OKAY. ANYBODY HERE? ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT? UH, SEEING THERE'S NONE, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I, I GOT SO MOVED. I GOT, I GOT ONE THING BEFORE EVERYBODY RUNS OFF. SO THE MAPLES FOUNDATION WILL BE IN, UH, SUNDAY'S OAK CLIFF MARDI GRAS PARADE. SO IF ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WANT TO PARTICIPATE, YOU GUYS CAN COME ON DOWN. UM, I THINK ME AND MR. PEGRAM AND, UM, MY FAMILY AND A FEW OTHER PEOPLE WILL BE IN IT. IT'S A ONE O'CLOCK PARADE. UM, IF YOU NEED TO KNOW WHERE TO MEET ME, JUST, JUST CALL ME OR TEXT ME AND I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU WHERE TO MEET ME. YEAH, IT'S GOOD. WE, WE GOT TO WALK TOGETHER. UH, MLK PARADE WAS, THAT WAS FUN. THAT WAS GOOD. ALRIGHT, WELL, DO I HAVE ANY, WE HAD MOVE, ADJOURNMENT. UH, THERE'S BEEN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. IS IT SECONDED? SECONDED BY MS. SIMON. UM, NO DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAY. MOTION PASSES. UH, THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CONCLUDED AT 9:50 PM CENTRAL TIME. YEAH, I'M ON OVERTIME. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.