[Special Called Finance Committee on February 23, 2026.]
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ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY, IT IS 1211. AND WE ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED ON THIS FEBRUARY 23RD, 2026 SPECIAL CALLED MEETING OF THE COMMITTEE ON FINANCE.
WE ARE RUNNING JUST A LITTLE BIT BEHIND, OBVIOUSLY, BUT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET BACK ON SCHEDULE.
AS WE HAD PUBLISHED PREVIOUSLY, WE'RE GOING TO START THIS PROCESS OFF WITH A RECRUITMENT AND SEARCH FOR CITY CITY AUDITOR FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS, INCLUDING INTERVIEWING OF SEARCH FIRMS AND CONSIDERATION OF CANDIDATES FOR THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE.
THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT OF A PROCESS THAN WE TYPICALLY ENGAGE IN.
AND WE WILL HAVE OUR DISCUSSION PUBLICLY ABOUT THE TWO SEARCH FIRMS, THE SEARCH FIRM THAT IS CHOSEN WELL, AFTER WE PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION, FULL COUNCIL WILL VOTE ON THEM ON WEDNESDAY.
AND THEN THAT SEARCH FIRM WILL HELP US IN FINDING OUR NEXT CITY AUDITOR.
AS WE KNOW, MR. SWANN IS GOING TO BE LEAVING US ON MARCH 17TH.
VERY IMPORTANT INDEPENDENT POSITION THAT WE TAKE QUITE SERIOUSLY.
SO AT THIS POINT, I WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO DIRECTOR ARIAS, TO WALK US THROUGH THE PROCESS AND BRING THE FIRST SEARCH FIRM UP, AND THEN WE'LL GIVE THEM SOME PARAMETERS ON WHAT THEY YOU KNOW, THE ANSWERS TO THE PRESET QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU. CHAIR. NINA ARIAS, DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES.
AND TODAY WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE RECRUITMENT AND SEARCH OF THE CITY AUDITOR INCLUDING THE INTERVIEW OF TWO SEARCH FIRMS THAT ARE UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE CITY CURRENTLY WITH ME IS ERICA GUERRERO AND SHE WILL BE INTRODUCING THE TWO FIRMS. HELLO EVERYONE. CHAIR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. WE ARE INTRODUCING TWO FIRMS. THE FIRST ONE IS KORN FERRY. THEY ARE READY TO PRESENT.
THEY'RE GOING TO GO OVER, YOU KNOW, A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THEIR FIRM AND THEN THE CAPABILITIES THAT THEY HAVE TO RECRUIT FOR THIS POSITION WITH US TODAY IS JAMES BAKER AND CHRISTINE. I'M GOING TO LET THEM PRESENT.
BOTH OF THEM. OH THEY'RE VIRTUAL. OH. EVEN BETTER.
OKAY, WHILE THEY'RE LISTENING, WE WILL JUST GIVE THEM A COUPLE MORE HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS. DUE TO THE TIME CONSTRAINTS TODAY. QUESTIONS WILL BE LIMITED TO COMMITTEE MEMBERS ONLY.
COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE HAD OPPORTUNITIES TO SELECT PRE-SELECT QUESTIONS.
BOTH FIRMS WILL BE ASKED THE SAME QUESTIONS AND COLLEAGUES THEY HAVE TAKEN THE TIME OVER THE WEEKEND TO PROVIDE WRITTEN RESPONSES TO THE 15 OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WE ARE NOT ASKING TODAY. SO LET'S GET THAT FIRST FIRM UP HERE AND GIVE THEM TWO MINUTES TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, AND THEY'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO EACH QUESTION. GO FOR IT.
OKAY. CHRISTINE, ARE YOU ON? I DON'T SEE HER.
I AM, OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. GREAT. WE CAN HEAR YOU.
AND SEE ME? YES. YES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, LET'S START INTRODUCTIONS. JAMES, OVER TO YOU. WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.
I AM A TWO TIME KORN FERRY EMPLOYEE. I WORKED THERE ABOUT 25, 26 YEARS AGO BEFORE I STARTED MY CAREER IN BANKING, I SPENT TIME WITH BANK OF AMERICA, WHICH BROUGHT ME OUT TO THE CITY OF DALLAS MANY TIMES OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF DECADES, AS WELL AS WITH WELLS FARGO, WHERE I WORKED IN RISK AND COMPLIANCE PRIOR TO RETURNING TO KORN FERRY IN 2022.
I'VE WORKED ON A NUMBER OF AUDITS. CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER AND CHIEF RISK OFFICER TYPES OF ROLES FOR BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE TYPES OF INSTITUTIONS, NONPROFITS, ETC. AND WOULD BE THE PRIMARY LEADER OF THE SEARCH PROJECT IF WE WERE ENGAGED WORKING ALONG WITH CHRISTINE, WHO IS. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU NOW. HELLO, I'M CHRISTINE KUPPENS, I'M KORN FERRY'S US GOVERNMENT RECRUITMENT PROGRAM DIRECTOR AND AS NOTED BY JAMES, I TEAM WITH OUR SPECIALIZED SEARCH LEAD TO ENSURE THAT THE SEARCH PROGRESSES ALONG THE PATH THAT WE HAVE CONFIRMED WITH YOU ALL, AND TO BE SURE WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR CONTRACT AND PROVIDE CLIENT SUPPORT THROUGHOUT THE SEARCH.
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MY EXPERIENCE IS OVER 16 YEARS AT KORN FERRY, AND INCLUDES THE PRIVILEGE OF HAVING WORKED WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS ON EXECUTIVE SEARCHES RECENTLY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. WE HAD PRESET QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD SUBMITTED.COLLEAGUES, YOU'LL FIND THESE IN ADDENDUM A IN THE PACKETS THAT HAVE BEEN HANDED OUT TO YOU.
I'M GOING TO JUST GO DOWN THROUGH THE LIST. LET'S SEE, MR. RESENDEZ, YOU ARE OUR FIRST QUESTION ON THE LIST.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO KICK IT OFF? SURE. SO GO FOR IT.
THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS THAT IS, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE IS COMING DOWN.
I THINK SO. OKAY. HAVE YOU PREVIOUSLY CONDUCTED SEARCHES FOR MUNICIPAL AUDITORS IN CITIES COMPARABLE TO DALLAS IN SIZE, COMPLEXITY AND BUDGET? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES.
YEAH. THAT WAS THAT WAS. WE HAVE WE HAVE NOT COMPLETED SEARCHES SPECIFIC TO CITY AUDITORS IN, YOU KNOW, THE SIZE COMPARABLE COMPARABLE TO THE CITY OF DALLAS.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE VERY DEEP EXPERTISE IN DOING AUDITOR SEARCHES AS WELL AS GOVERNMENT SEARCHES AND OUR HIGHLY EXPERIENCED TO CONDUCT A CITY AUDITOR SEARCH.
I JUST A REAL QUICK FOLLOW UP. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE EXPERIENCE CONDUCTING SEARCHES FOR MUNICIPAL AUDITORS, AUDITORS IN CITIES COMPARABLE TO DALLAS IN SIZE, COMPLEXITY AND BUDGET.
BUT YOU DO HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH MUNICIPAL AUDITORS.
COULD YOU PROVIDE SOME EXAMPLES? NOT WHAT THE EXAMPLES THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN THAT JAMES HAS PUT UP, IS OUR AUDITOR EXPERIENCE NOT SPECIFIC TO MUNICIPALITIES OR, OR THE CITIES? HOWEVER, AGAIN, VERY DEEP AND SPECIALIZED EXPERTISE IN AUDITOR SEARCHES.
AND JAMES, IF YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT AND HIGHLIGHT THESE EXPERIENCES.
YEAH, I MEAN, I RECENTLY COMPLETED A CFO SEARCH FOR A MUNICIPALITY GOVERNMENT RECENTLY CERTAINLY NOT THE SIZE OF, OF DALLAS, BUT WITH RESPECT TO THE THE KINDS OF AUDIT EXECUTIVE ROLES THAT OUR FIRM HAS HANDLED.
THEY HAVE BEEN FOR A RATHER LARGE AND COMPLEX ORGANIZATIONS AND FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT SIZE AND SCOPE AND WITH MANAGEMENT RESPONSIBILITIES, YOU KNOW, FOR EITHER PLACES LIKE THE DTCC OR YOU KNOW, BOTH REGIONAL AND NATIONAL BANKS AS WELL AS A VERY LARGE NATIONAL UNIVERSITY.
GIVEN OUR REPUTATION AND THE FACT THAT WE BEEN THE LARGEST AND NUMBER ONE RANKED FIRM FOR MANY YEARS, WE USUALLY GET SOME GOOD RESPONSE BACK. AND PART OF OUR PROCESS WITH YOU WOULD BE TO DEVELOP A SEARCH STRATEGY AND TO IDENTIFY THE TYPES OF CANDIDATES THAT WOULD FIT BEST IN A MUNICIPALITY TYPE OF SITUATION, THE SIZE OF DALLAS.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN GRACEY.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I I'M GOING TO START WITH HOW DO YOU VERIFY THAT CANDIDATES MEET THE PROFESSIONAL CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS FOR A CITY AUDITOR SUCH AS CPA, CIA CREDENTIALS, AND RELEVANT EXPERIENCE? THAT IS PART OF OUR VERIFICATION PROCESS FOR EDUCATION, AS WELL AS ANY TYPES OF CERTIFICATIONS OR PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE REQUIREMENTS.
CAN YOU DETAIL THAT VERIFICATION PROCESS? YEAH.
TYPICALLY WE UTILIZE THIRD PARTIES SUCH AS SKILL SURVEY OR STERLING THAT WILL DO THAT WILL SEARCH DATABASES AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONFIRM WHETHER OR NOT EITHER DEGREES AND OR CERTIFICATIONS WERE RECEIVED, ON WHAT DATE AND FROM WHICH INSTITUTION AS PART OF OUR BACKGROUND CHECK PROCESS.
SO THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT WE WILL DO. AND IT'S PART OF OUR KIND OF DUE DILIGENCE.
USUALLY WHEN WE GET THROUGH THE SORT OF INITIAL INTERVIEW STAGE.
AND AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE OFFER STAGE WHERE WE REALLY START TO NARROW IT DOWN TO SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT GET HIRED, WE CAN DO THOSE BACKGROUND CHECKS AND THOSE THINGS AS PART OF THE REFERENCE AND OTHER SORT OF CHECKING PROCESSES THAT WE, THAT WE ENDEAVOR TO DO. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN GRACEY JUST SPOKE, CHAIRMAN JOHNSON.
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THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN WEST. A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS ARE THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT I WAS GOING TO ASK.COUNCILMAN. RESENDEZ JUST ASK THAT QUESTION, CHAIR.
SO I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT IT. BUT THAT WAS THE EXACT SAME QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER RESENDEZ. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, CHAIR WEST. MY QUESTION IS THIS WHAT PROFESSIONAL OR PERSONAL RED FLAGS HAVE YOU ENCOUNTERED IN PAST SEARCHES, AND HOW DID YOU HANDLE PRESENTING THAT INFORMATION TO YOUR CLIENT? YEAH. I REMEMBER THIS QUESTION FROM THE GROUP THAT YOU SENT.
WE DID HAVE A SITUATION ON A RECENT AUDIT EXECUTIVE SEARCH THAT I WAS A PART OF, WHERE THE CANDIDATES BASICALLY JUST LIED ABOUT ACTUAL RECEIVING A DEGREE FROM A UNIVERSITY THAT THEY SAID THAT THEY ATTENDED.
I MEAN, THEY DID ATTEND FOR THREE YEARS. THEY DID NOT COMPLETE THAT, BUT THEY LISTED IT ON THEIR RESUME AS IF THEY DID COMPLETE THAT, THAT DEGREE. AND IT CAME UP IN THE BACKGROUND CHECK THAT I JUST MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY.
I RAISED THAT TO THE CLIENT. THEY WERE INTENDING ON MAKING THIS PERSON AN OFFER, BUT BASED ON THIS INDIVIDUAL'S DISHONESTY, WE DECIDED AND WE RECOMMENDED THAT IT WOULD BE BEST TO RESCIND THAT.
IT'S VERY RARE THAT THAT'S HAPPENED. IN THE FOUR AND A HALF.
WELL, I GUESS ALMOST TEN YEARS OF RECRUITMENT EXPERIENCE, I HAVE TOTAL I'VE ONLY SEEN THAT HAPPEN ONCE. IT'S VERY UNUSUAL. BUT WHEN WE DO SEE RED FLAGS, WE OBVIOUSLY LET THE CLIENT KNOW IMMEDIATELY SO THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH A PLAN ON HOW TO ADDRESS IT QUICKLY.
THANK YOU. IS THAT. YEAH. JUST A QUICK FOLLOW UP.
GO AHEAD. SO LYING ABOUT YOUR COMPLETING A DEGREE, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT RED FLAG.
ARE THERE OTHER RED FLAGS THAT YOU PICK UP ON IN THE INTERVIEW PROCESS? JUST THINGS THAT YOU ALL LOOK FOR GENERALLY. WELL, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT WITHOUT HAVING SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH YOU AND HAVING A FULL POSITION DESCRIPTION. AND, YOU KNOW, WE LEVERAGE THINGS LIKE OUR A4 D ASSESSMENT THERE.
THERE COULD BE OTHER RED FLAGS THAT COULD COME DOWN TO MAYBE PERSONALITY FIT WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAVE TO LEAVE, IF THEY HAVE TO LEAD A LARGE ORGANIZATION OR THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH FAIRLY STRONG PERSONALITIES AND THEY MAY NOT HAVE A STRONG PERSONALITY THEMSELVES, THAT COULD BE A RED FLAG. THERE'S THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT SITUATIONS THAT COULD COME UP IN THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS.
BUT WE WOULD TRY TO LEVERAGE SOME OF OUR INTERNAL ASSESSMENT TOOLS, AS WELL AS WORK WITH OUR CONSULTANTS WHO MONITOR THAT ASSESSMENT PROGRAM TO TO HELP BOTH YOU COME UP WITH A SUCCESS PROFILE THAT YOU WANT TO SEE IN THE SUCCESSFUL CANDIDATE, AND THEN WE MAP THAT TO THE CANDIDATE INDIVIDUAL THROUGH AN ONLINE ASSESSMENT THAT THE CANDIDATE TAKES. AND IF THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT GAPS, WE CAN IDENTIFY THEM EARLY ON.
AND BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION SO IT CAN BE UTILIZED IN THE INTERVIEW PROCESS WITH THE CLIENT.
AND, OR IT COULD BE UTILIZED BY US, AS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO PROBE A LITTLE FURTHER IF THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, FOR WHATEVER CERTAIN GAPS BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE CANDIDATE SAYS THEY BRING TO THE TABLE AND WHAT THEY ACTUALLY DO.
YES. AND AND TO REINFORCE JAMES STATEMENT, YOU KNOW, OUR BEST PRACTICES PROCESS FOR SEARCH INCLUDES ALIGNMENT WITH THE ROLE APPROVED BY YOU ALL, AS WELL AS WITH THE TEAM THAT THE INDIVIDUAL LEADER WOULD BE JOINING AND OR LEADING THE ORGANIZATION AND THE CULTURE FIT. AND ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE KEY TO SUCCESS OVER THE LONG TERM, AND FOR THE IMPACT THAT THE SELECTED CANDIDATE WILL HAVE IN THE ROLE ONCE THEY JOIN.
THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU. DO YOU CONDUCT REFERENCE CHECKS BEYOND THE NAMES PROVIDED BY THE CANDIDATE, AND IF SO, HOW DO YOU IDENTIFY AND APPROACH THOSE ADDITIONAL REFERENCES? WE CAN AND SOMETIMES WE DO. DEPENDING ON THE CANDIDATE, WE OBVIOUSLY THROUGH THEIR RESUME AND THROUGH OUR INTERNAL DATABASES, WE CAN EASILY DETERMINE WHO THEY MAY HAVE WORKED WITH FROM PREVIOUS ORGANIZATIONS.
YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE'RE RECRUITING SOMEBODY.
WE HAVE TO OPERATE WITH A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CONFIDENTIALITY.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GOING TO CALL THEIR CURRENT BOSS AND ASK THEM WHAT THEY THINK. BUT THERE COULD BE PREVIOUS MANAGERS OR COWORKERS THAT WE CAN EASILY IDENTIFY THROUGH OUR SYSTEMS AND THROUGH PRIOR PROJECTS THAT WE COULD VET FURTHER.
YOU KNOW, GIVEN JUST GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF DATA WE HAVE AT OUR DISPOSAL, I KNOW, CHRISTINE, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD THERE AND WE'LL PARTNER WITH YOU AS WELL.
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OFTENTIMES IN EXPERIENCE WITH THE CITY HAS BEEN WITHIN YOUR OWN NETWORKS KNOWING INDIVIDUALS.AND WE WOULD SUPPORT THAT PROCESS. BUT WE ALSO, AS JAMES NOTED, AS A STANDARD PRACTICE, WILL LOOK FOR PEERS, SUBORDINATES, MANAGERS TO PROVIDE REFERENCES.
AND THEN FOR YOUR QUESTION AS RELEVANT, WHILE STILL PROTECTING THE PRIVACY OF THE CANDIDATES CURRENT EMPLOYMENT STATUS, WE'LL LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO FILL ANY GAPS THAT WE MIGHT NEED RELEVANT TO ALIGNMENT WITH THE ROLE.
SO YOU DO THAT AS A MATTER OF BUSINESS? CORRECT? YEAH. EVERY REFERENCE I USUALLY CHECK. I WILL ALWAYS ASK IF THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE THAT WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, TALK TO THAT MIGHT KNOW ABOUT THE CANDIDATE, BUT WE ALSO CAN CAN DO SOME OF OUR OWN DUE DILIGENCE IN THE BACKGROUND AS WELL.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE COLLEAGUES THAT ASKED THOSE QUESTIONS AND FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE JUST TUNING IN OR GETTING HERE, THIS IS A WE'RE ON THE SECOND ITEM FOR THE FINANCE COMMITTEE TODAY.
I'M SORRY. FIRST ITEM RIGHT AFTER THE MINUTES.
BUT UNDER DALLAS CITY CODE, SECTION TWO 17.2, IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO SELECT THE SEARCH FIRM AND FOR US TO STAND UP A NOMINATING COMMISSION TO FIND THE NEXT CITY AUDITOR.
WHEN MR. SWANN LEAVES US FOR RETIREMENT ON ON MARCH 17TH OF THIS YEAR.
SO WE ARE NOW MOVING ON TO THE SECOND OF TWO FIRMS, BOTH OF WHICH ARE QUALIFIED FOR THIS PROCESS AND HAVE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THE CITY'S VETTING PROCESS FOR OTHER OTHER SITUATIONS. AND WE'RE GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO STAFF TO INTRODUCE THEM.
CHRISTINE AND JAMES. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO YOU.
WE'RE WAITING FOR THE SECOND FIRM TO JOIN. CAN YOU SPEAK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT AND INTO THE.
YES, WE ARE WAITING FOR THIS. I CONFIRM TO JOIN.
OKAY. AND IF I COULD ADD JUST A COUPLE OF CLOSING REMARKS.
WANT YOU TO KNOW, AS A LARGE EXECUTIVE AND PROFESSIONAL SEARCH FIRM, WE'VE BEEN HONORED TO BE NAMED BY FORBES MAGAZINE AS AMERICA'S NUMBER ONE EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRM IN 2025, AS WELL AS THE PAST EIGHT OF NINE YEARS THAT THEY'VE DONE THESE ANNUAL RANKINGS.
AND THIS IS INCLUSIVE OF A FINANCIAL SERVICES CENTER OF EXPERTISE WHICH SUPPORTS RESEARCH FOR ALL LIKE SEARCHES. AND HAS ALL HIGHLY SPECIALIZED SEARCH REPRESENTATIVES SUCH AS JAMES.
THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.
WOULD YOU LIKE US TO DROP FROM NOW, PLEASE? THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. WE APPRECIATE YOU.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE HAVE OUR SECOND FIRM THAT IS FULLY HIRED. AND WITH US TODAY WE HAVE KENYATTA OZIEL AND NANA PERRY.
WE HAVE SOMEBODY WORKING ON THE CAMERA. KENYATTA NANA, CAN YOU PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELVES? HI. OKAY. HI. HI. HOW ARE YOU? WE CAN SEE YOU.
YOU HAVE YOUR INFORMATION. PLEASE, TO SHARE. DO I NEED TO PUT THAT ON OR ARE YOU ABLE TO. BUT, NANA, CAN YOU PUT THAT? CAN YOU PUT THE SCREEN ON, PLEASE? WHILE WE WORK TO GET THAT NONA SHOULD. SHE'S ON.
I DON'T KNOW WHY SHE'S NOT PULLED UP ON THE SCREEN HERE WHILE WE WORK TO DO THAT.
MY NAME IS KENYATTA EZELL. MY FIRM IS POLY HIRE.
WE ARE AN EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRM BASED OUT OF WASHINGTON, D.C.
WE WORK NATIONALLY THIS YEAR. APRIL MARKS 20 YEARS IN BUSINESS.
MY BACKGROUND. I HAVE BEEN AN EXECUTIVE RECRUITER, A RECRUITER MY ENTIRE LIFE.
SO SINCE I GRADUATED FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA IN 1993, I'VE DONE NOTHING BUT RECRUIT, MOVED TO WASHINGTON, DC AND 96 TO PURSUE GRADUATE STUDIES AT HOWARD UNIVERSITY, AND FELL RIGHT BACK INTO RECRUITING AFTER COMPLETING MY MBA.
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SO IN 2002, MAYOR TONY WILLIAMS SECOND TERM AS MAYOR IN WASHINGTON, HE BROUGHT ME ON BOARD TO BE HIS INTERNAL EXECUTIVE RECRUITER. SO AS A SPECIAL ASSISTANT SENIOR STAFFER FOR MAYOR TONY WILLIAMS, I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF HIS EXECUTIVE APPOINTMENTS, WHICH INCLUDED INSPECTOR GENERAL AND ANY POSITION FROM POLICE FIRE WITHIN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA.I FEEL WE ARE, AND MY FIRM IS UNIQUELY POSITIONED TO ASSIST THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND YOU CHAIR AND YOUR COMMITTEE, AS WELL AS THE FULL COUNCIL, IN IDENTIFYING YOUR NEXT CITY AUDITOR, BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITIES OF OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, SPECIFICALLY MUNICIPALITIES, UNDERSTANDING THE NUANCES, THE PRESSURES THAT YOU AS LEGISLATORS AS WELL AS THE EXECUTIVE BODY HAVE TO DEAL WITH AND THE THE OTHERS. AND IN MAKING THESE APPOINTMENTS AND HOW CRITICAL IT IS THAT THE PERSON THAT'S SITTING IN THAT SEAT AS CITY AUDITOR TRULY UNDERSTANDS THE MUNICIPALITY AND HOW THE DIFFERENT, HOW DIFFERENT IT IS FROM WHETHER IT BE STATE OR CORPORATE.
MY FIRM IS POLY HIRE IS POLITICAL HIRE. WE CONSIDER OURSELVES A, YOU KNOW, A BOUTIQUE FIRM.
TWO STORES I LOVE. BUT WHAT WE SPECIALIZE IN IS SPECIFICALLY HELPING ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS YOURS, STATE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IDENTIFY SENIOR STAFF.
AGAIN, WE HAVE COMPLETED MORE THAN 70, SAY, 700, PROBABLY MORE THAN A THOUSAND OR SO SEARCHES OVER THE 20 YEARS, NOT COUNTING THE NUMEROUS SEARCHES, 30 OR 40 THAT WE DID FOR FOR MAYOR TONY WILLIAMS. AGAIN, THAT EXPERIENCE THAT I LEANED BACK ON IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, DURING THE TIME THAT I WAS THERE YOU KNOW, WAS AND CONTINUES TO OPERATE AS AS ITS OWN ENTITY.
IT OPERATES AS A CITY, A STATE, AND THE BUDGET IS APPROVED BY, BY CONGRESS.
SO THERE ARE NUMBERS OF COMPLEXITIES THAT EXIST THANK YOU.
YOU CAN MAYBE JUST WRAP IT UP. WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP EVERYBODY TO TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU. I'M WRAPPED UP NOW, SO I'M OPEN TO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON.
WE'LL START WITH THE SAME ROUND OF PRESET QUESTIONS, STARTING WITH COUNCIL MEMBER RESENDEZ.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, HAVE YOU PREVIOUSLY CONDUCTED SEARCHES FOR MUNICIPAL AUDITORS IN CITIES COMPARABLE TO DALLAS IN SIZE, COMPLEXITY AND BUDGET? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE COMPLETED THE INSPECTOR GENERAL, WHICH IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA.
WE'RE ACTUALLY CONDUCTING A SECOND SEARCH YEARS LATER.
NOW, AS WE SPEAK FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA.
$16 BILLION BUDGET OVER 700,000 RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THE CITY.
AND THAT THAT INSPECTOR GENERAL MUST HAVE AUDIT SKILLS, MEANING THEY HAVE A CPA AS WELL AS A G, A JD. SO I'D SAY SOMEWHAT WE'VE DONE THAT. WE'VE DONE AUDITORS FOR THE COUNTY OF DURHAM, NORTH CAROLINA, AND VARIOUS INDEPENDENT AGENCIES WITHIN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. HOW DO YOU VERIFY THAT CANDIDATES MEET THE PROFESSIONAL CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS FOR A CITY AUDITOR, SUCH AS THEIR CPA, CIA CREDENTIALS, AND OTHER RELEVANT EXPERIENCE? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. WE USE A THIRD PARTY A THIRD PARTY FIRM TO ASSIST US WITH THAT.
THAT ACTUALLY EXPEDITES THAT PROCESS. BUT WE ALSO DO OUR OWN DUE DILIGENCE.
SO IF YOU'RE REQUIRING A CPA, WE OF COURSE WORK WITH THAT BOARD CPAS AND ACCOUNTANTS WITHIN THAT RESPECTIVE JURISDICTION TO, ENSURE THAT PERSON IS CERTIFIED. SO THE SHORT ANSWER IS WE USE A THIRD PARTY AS WELL AS OUR OWN DUE DILIGENCE TO TO TO AFFIRM AND ASSURE THAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN JOHNSON.
THANK YOU, CHAIR WEST. MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH RED FLAGS.
WHAT PROFESSIONAL OR PERSONAL RED FLAGS HAVE YOU ENCOUNTERED IN PAST SEARCHES, AND HOW DID YOU HANDLE PRESENTING THAT INFORMATION TO YOUR CLIENT? AND MAYBE GIVE ME AN IDEA OF KIND OF WHAT SOME RED FLAGS ARE.
WHAT? SURE. THANK YOU. RED FLAGS IS WORKING WITH AN ORGANIZATION AND CFO
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PLACING A CFO WITH ONE OF THE TOP TEN LARGEST CITIES WITHIN THE UNITED STATES AND A CANDIDATE CURRENTLY WORKING AS A CFO IN ANOTHER JURISDICTION. BEING UNDER INVESTIGATION, SOMETHING THAT'S NOT QUITE PUBLIC.HOWEVER, THROUGH OUR DUE DILIGENCE, GETTING TO KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT OUR CANDIDATES, KNOWING THAT INDIVIDUAL HAS BEEN IS CURRENTLY BEING INVESTIGATED BY BY THE STATE BEING ABLE TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION. THE POLITICAL NUANCES AND IMPLICATIONS THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT COME ALONG WITH THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION BEING SHARED PUBLICLY OR BEING EXPOSED BY THE MEDIA.
IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, CATASTROPHIC TO AN ADMINISTRATION.
AND AGAIN, WHILE THAT WAS NOT PUBLIC. PART OF OUR OUR DUE DILIGENCE IS TALKING TO FOLKS TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE KNOW EVERYTHING WE CAN ABOUT A CANDIDATE PRIOR TO PRESENTING THEM TO OUR CLIENTS FOR FOR, FOR CONSIDERATION.
SO TO, TO MORE COMPREHENSIVE, MORE FULLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION IS WE DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE, BUT WE ALSO WE ALSO USE ALL OPEN SOURCE MATERIALS, WHETHER THAT'S GOOGLE LOOKING THROUGH NEWSPAPERS AND OF COURSE, OUR OUR REFERENCE CHECKS.
THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR. THANK YOU. AND IF WE COULD TURN THE AUDIO UP A LITTLE BIT.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT LIKE A CAVE IN HERE. SO I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU BETTER.
AND THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING ALL THE QUESTIONS. I SEE THAT YOU'VE TAKEN SOME OF THE ONES WE WERE GOING TO ASK YOU. AND SO SINCE YOU HAVE ANSWERED THE ONE ABOUT REFERENCE CHECKS BEYOND NAMES PROVIDED BY THE CANDIDATE, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY INSTEAD.
SO TAKE THIS MOMENT TO SHARE WHY YOUR SMALLER FIRM WOULD BE THE ONE WE WOULD WANT TO GO WITH OVER A NATIONALLY ESTABLISHED, LARGER FIRM. ABSOLUTELY. AND THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.
I DO GET THAT QUESTION OFTEN. AND AS I AS I GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID BEFORE, IS WE ARE A SPECIALTY FIRM, WE TRULY ARE WHAT WE CONSIDER BOUTIQUE. YOU'RE DEALING WITH ME.
I'M THE FOUNDER OF THE ORGANIZATION. I DO THE WORK.
SO I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN ANYTHING EXCEPT PUBLIC SECTOR.
SO I UNDERSTAND INTIMATELY THE THE PRESSURES OF LEGISLATURES TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT YOU HAVE BEST THE BEST INDIVIDUAL TO OR INDIVIDUALS TO SELECT FROM THE ACCESSIBILITY, MY ACCESSIBILITY.
PICK UP THE PHONE. YOU'RE TALKING TO ME? NOT ANY OF MY ASSOCIATES OR OTHERS.
AND YOU GET WHITE GLOVE TREATMENT. AGAIN, WE SPECIALIZE SPECIFICALLY IN WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
WE'VE DONE WORK WITH THE CITY. WE'VE DONE WORK THERE IN THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS.
AND I BELIEVE THAT ANY OF OUR CLIENTS WILL TELL YOU THAT WE ARE ACCESSIBLE AND WE TRULY ARE EXPERTS IN WHAT WE DO, WHICH IS EXECUTIVE RECRUITMENT IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR.
THEY HAVE. BUT AGAIN, I THINK OUR, OUR WHAT MAKES US SPECIAL IS THE HANDS.
HANDS ON EXPERTISE AND INTIMACY THAT MY FIRM OFFERS THAT OTHERS MAY NOT.
MAY NOT. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. THANK YOU.
OKAY. WITH THAT WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE TO GIVE A SHORT CLOSING STATEMENT? YES, CERTAINLY. AGAIN, WE WE LOVE THE CITY OF DALLAS.
WE'VE DONE WORK WITH THE CITY FOR THE PAST, FOR FOUR YEARS OR SO, IN VARIOUS VARIOUS CAPACITIES.
THE ORDER THERE. AND HAVING WORKED WITH THAT APPOINTED BODY.
I DO THINK THEY CAN ATTEST TO OUR ACCESSIBILITY AND AVAILABILITY.
BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, I JUST WOULD LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT YOU ALL AS YOU AS YOU SEARCH FOR THIS VERY IMPORTANT, IMPORTANT ROLE THERE WITHIN THE CITY. ALL RIGHT.
IF WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THESE GUYS OUT OF HERE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. KENYATTA AND ANNA.
YES, I SO, DIRECTOR, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR FROM US AT THIS POINT? WE NEED DIRECTION. BUT IN PARTICULAR INFORMATION ON THE TYPE OF FIRM THAT WILL BE BEST.
BEING THAT THEY ARE BOTH GOOD. THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT.
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WILL SERVE YOU BEST SO THAT WE CAN WORK WITH THAT FIRM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, PROVIDE YOU WITH A TIMELINE, AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROCESS WHEN WE ARE LOOKING FOR.SO WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE VARIOUS FACTORS WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT AS A COUNCIL WHEN IT COMES TO THE SEARCH FIRM AND THEIR POOL OF APPLICANTS, WHAT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO CONSIDER, LIKE HOW WOULD WE KNOW THE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT THEIR POOL OF APPLICANTS MIGHT BE? WHAT ARE SOME THINGS TO LOOK AT? I WILL SAY THAT CONFER IN PARTICULAR, WILL ALREADY HAVE ACCESS TO A VERY WIDE POOL OF APPLICANTS FROM MANY DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES.
SO IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A WHAT? YOU KNOW, CASTING A WIDE NET WILL BE MORE READY TO DO THAT IMMEDIATELY. WHILE KORN FERRY WOULD DO THAT. WELL, POLY HIRE WILL HAVE TO BUILD UP THAT POOL.
IS THERE A FACTOR? A COST IS ALWAYS A FACTOR AROUND HERE.
I MEAN, IN FACT, THE NEXT DISCUSSION IS GOING TO BE A LOT ABOUT DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AND COSTS.
ARE WE IN THIS SITUATION? WE DON'T HAVE THE CONFIDENTIAL FIGURES.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED TO STAFF ON THE COST OF EACH OF THE TWO PROVIDERS.
CAN YOU GIVE US AN INDICATION IF THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR OR OR NOT? YES, THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR. THEY'RE ALREADY UNDER CONTRACT.
WE USE BOTH FIRMS FOR EXECUTIVE SEARCHES ACROSS THE CITY.
SO IT WOULD NOT BE A DIFFERENCE THAT, IN MY OPINION, WILL WAIT WHEN WE'RE ANOTHER VERSUS THE TYPE OF FIRM THEY ARE OKAY. AND YOU FEEL LIKE EITHER FIRM IS CAPABLE OF HANDLING OUR AUDITOR SEARCH? YES, SIR. AND WORKING WITH THE NOMINATING COMMISSION.
THANK YOU. SO WE DON'T TYPICALLY DO THIS ON THIS TYPE OF DECISION IN PUBLIC.
SO IT FEELS A LITTLE AWKWARD, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS AS COMPARING THE TWO FIRMS. I THINK MY PREFERENCE IS TO GO WITH THE SMALLER FIRM, MORE ACCESSIBILITY.
THEY HAVE A FOCUS IN GOVERNMENT. YOU KNOW, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A VERY TECHNICAL SPECIALIZED POSITION.
AND THEY CAN ANSWER QUESTION NUMBER TWO WITH A YES.
QUESTION NUMBER TWO IN THE WRITTEN QUESTIONS IS HAVE YOU PREVIOUSLY CONDUCTED SEARCHES FOR MUNICIPAL AUDITORS IN CITIES COMPARABLE TO DALLAS IN SIZE, COMPLEXITY AND BUDGET? AND THEY HAVE DONE THAT FOR THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER FOR THE DC RETIREMENT BOARD, I BELIEVE IS THEIR EXAMPLE. AND THEY GIVE A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT EXPERTISE AND THE COMPLEXITY OF THAT PARTICULAR JOB.
SO BECAUSE OF THEIR SPECIALTY IN GOVERNMENT, THEIR ACCESSIBILITY BECAUSE THEY'RE SMALLER.
AND THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION, THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION.
THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR. DEPUTY MAYOR. THANK YOU.
I ECHO SUPPORT FOR POLY HIRE. I'M ALSO LOOKING AT QUESTION NUMBER ONE IN THEIR RESPONSE.
IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'VE GOT A GOOD TRACK RECORD OF PLACING PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE STAYING IN THE ROLE.
SO THAT'S A SUCCESS TO ME. SO I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH POLY HIRE.
THANK YOU. I'LL START WITH CHAIRMAN GRACEY. I'M GOING TO CONCUR WITH WITH WHAT MY COLLEAGUE SAID THERE AGAIN, YES. THE FLEXIBILITY AND THE AND THE HE'S OVER THERE I CONCUR.
FLEXIBILITY WITH POLY HIRE AND THEIR FLEXIBILITY AND THEIR EXPERIENCE IN THESE TYPE OF SEARCHES, PARTICULARLY WITH CITIES THIS SIZE. OKAY, I SKIPPED ONE OF OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
MR. BAZALDUA, I'LL JUST ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF MY TWO COLLEAGUES TO THE RIGHT.
THANK YOU, MR. RESENDEZ. SAME. THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM.
SAME SAME SAME. WELL, I THINK IT'S PRETTY UNANIMOUS ON ON THAT.
AND MAKES IT PRETTY EASY. I WILL SUPPORT THEM AS WELL.
BAZALDUA, YOU ARE NOT ON THE COMMITTEE. YOU'RE NOT ON FINANCE? I JUST CHECKED, BUT I'M GLAD YOU GOT TO CHIME IN.
YOU GUYS. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I COULD USE A MOTION FROM MY COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
DOES ANYONE HAVE A MOTION? I THINK I HAVE A MOTION.
THERE WE GO. MICROPHONE. THANK YOU. I MOVE TO RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING SEARCH FIRM, WHICH WOULD BE POLLY HIRE TO ASSIST THE CITY AUDITOR NOMINATING COMMISSION.
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SECOND, THAT'S A MOTION. A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.WE'RE ON TIME. IS FOR US TO NOMINATE A SLATE OF INDIVIDUALS TO SERVE ON THE NOMINATING COMMISSION. SO PURSUANT TO CITY CODE SECTION TWO, DASH 17.2, THERE IS A NOMINATING COMMISSION THAT WILL GUIDE THIS SEARCH FIRM AND HELPING THEM FIND THE NEXT CITY AUDITOR.
WE HAVE TO APPOINT THIS. WE HAVE TO SUGGEST TO CITY COUNCIL THAT THIS COMMISSION GETS STOOD UP WITH THE INDIVIDUALS AND CITY COUNCIL ONCE THEY APPROVE IT, THEY HAVE A SET AMOUNT OF TIME IN WHICH THEY NEED TO MEET.
WHAT AM I MISSING? DIRECTOR, YOU'RE ON TASK. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S ALL WE NEED.
WE NEED THE NAMES. AND TO START, IN THE MOMENT THAT WE START, THERE IS A TIME THAT STARTS TICKING.
WE HAVE ABOUT. I BELIEVE IT'S A MONTH TO CONVENE THE COMMITTEE AND START THE WORK.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE TWO PROCESSES WORK SIMULTANEOUSLY AND START AT THE SAME TIME.
IF WE TEE THEM UP, THEY WILL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR WEDNESDAY TO BE VOTED ON.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CITY ATTORNEY REGARDING THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR POSITIONS.
CAN YOU PLEASE CLARIFY IF WE NEED TO MAKE THOSE NOMINATIONS TODAY.
WHO MAKES THAT NOMINATION FOR THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR AND HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS? MR. CHAIR, BURT VANDENBERG, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE UNDER SECTION TWO, DASH 17.2.
THE THE COMMITTEE DOES REQUIRE A CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR.
HOWEVER, AS A UNDER CHAPTER EIGHT, THE MAYOR APPOINTS THE CHAIR WITH CITY COUNCIL CONFIRMATION, AND THE FULL COUNCIL APPOINTS THE VICE CHAIR.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO RECOMMEND WHO IT IS TODAY.
THAT CAN HAPPEN AT COUNCIL. OKAY. OKAY. VERY GOOD.
AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, I DO WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUE, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIS, FOR VETTING OUT THESE CANDIDATES AND COMING UP WITH THE FULL SLATE FOR US. THERE WERE SOME VERY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS UNDER DALLAS CITY CODE, ON WHO COULD SERVE ON THIS NOMINATING COMMISSION.
I THINK THEY HAD TO BE LIKE FORMER CFOS OR CEOS OF FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES.
I'M I'M SKEWING THE FACTS THERE, BUT IT'S FAIRLY, FAIRLY LIKE IMPRESSIVE CVS.
AND SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO HER TO MAKE THE MOTION AND THEN DISCUSS THESE INDIVIDUALS.
THANK YOU. I MOVE TO RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE TO SERVE ON THE CITY AUDITOR NOMINATING COMMISSION LEE ANN SHEFFIELD, KEVIN MARCH, HONORABLE PAULINE MEDRANO, JOHN STEPHENS, AND MICHELLE WATNEY.
SECOND, THAT'S A MOTION. MOTION. AND A SECOND COMMENTS.
THANK YOU. CHAIR. THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR SERVING ON THIS COMMITTEE.
THERE'S KIND OF A MENU THAT CAN BE CHOSEN FROM, BUT THIS IS A GOOD REPRESENTATION ACROSS THOSE CRITERIA FROM FORMER CFOS OF AT&T OR AND TEXAS INSTRUMENTS TO ONE MEMBER WHO WORKS IN THE GENERAL OR IN THE GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY OFFICE.
AND SO HAVING THAT CONTINUITY OF EXPERIENCE, I THINK, ROUNDS THIS OUT NICELY.
AND I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE NOMINATING COMMISSION COMMITTEE MEMBERS? THAT IS ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE ON TIME.
LET ME GET THAT READ INTO THE RECORD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
I'M SEEKING A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE FEBRUARY 3RD, 2026 SPECIAL CALL COMMITTEE MINUTES.
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MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. I GOT A MOTION TO SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. WE'RE GOING TO PAUSE FOR JUST A MOMENT.
AND WHILE THEY START TAKING THEIR SEATS. I JUST HAVE A QUICK OPENING STATEMENT ON THIS, AND I WILL DISCUSS PROCEDURALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON HERE.
ALL RIGHT. SO NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS COLLEAGUES IS TO RESUME OUR ONGOING DISCUSSION ABOUT THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE OF THE CITY HALL BUILDING AND THE TWO PATHS WE CAN TAKE IN THE FUTURE FOR THE LOCATION OF OUR CITY'S GOVERNMENT CENTER.
LIKE MAYOR JOHNSON SAID RECENTLY, THIS WILL BE AN INCREDIBLY HARD DECISION FOR US, BUT IT'S ONE THAT WILL TACKLE BECAUSE OUR LEGACY WILL BE TO TAKE ON THE TOUGH PROBLEMS THAT SO MANY OTHER COUNCILS HAVE NOT. A FEW MONTHS AGO, A THIRD PATH WAS PRESENTED WHICH WAS TO DO NOTHING, ESSENTIALLY. ESSENTIALLY, JUST CONTINUE THE STATUS QUO OF STAYING HERE WITHOUT PUTTING ANY MONEY INTO THE REPAIRS.
TO ME, THAT IS AN IRRESPONSIBLE AND UNACCEPTABLE PATH AND ONE THAT WOULD FAIL.
THE DALLAS TAXPAYERS STATUS QUO IS ABSOLUTELY NOT AN OPTION.
ALL 15 OF US, ESPECIALLY THE SEVEN ON THIS COMMITTEE, ARE GETTING PRESSURE FROM DOZENS OF GROUPS CIVIC AND BUSINESS LEADERS, PRESERVATIONISTS, NEIGHBORS. EVERYONE, INCLUDING CITY STAFF HAS AN AGENDA.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE A FISCAL AND FIDUCIARY DUTY TO OUR RESIDENTS TO LOOK PAST EMOTIONS AND PASS THE PERSONAL INTERESTS AND CHOOSE A PATH FORWARD THAT IS FACT BASED AND WILL GIVE OUR CITY AND DOWNTOWN THE BEST SHOT FOR A SUCCESSFUL FUTURE.
SHORTLY, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER DONZELL GIBSON IS GOING TO GO THROUGH THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE PRESENTATION THAT WE RECEIVED ON FRIDAY, AND THE LICENSED PROFESSIONALS WHO ASSEMBLED THE VARIOUS DEFERRED MAINTENANCE REPORTS WILL DISCUSS THEIR FINDINGS AND ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS.
MANY OF US UP HERE AT THE HORSESHOE ARE SKEPTICAL ABOUT THE $1 BILLION PRICE TAG NOTED IN THE PRESENTATION, AND WIDELY COVERED ALREADY BY THE MEDIA. I ENCOURAGE YOU AT THIS TIME TO AND AND AFTER THIS MEETING TO ASK ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS, SEEK ADVICE FROM YOUR OWN TRUSTED ADVISORS, AND COME TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSION ABOUT THE FINAL PRICE TAG.
AFTER THE PRESENTATION, WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS ITEM L, AND SO WE'LL HAVE THE FULL PICTURE. AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK IN HERE TO ADDRESS BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS AT THE SAME TIME.
THERE WILL ALSO BE A RESOLUTION THAT I UNDERSTAND WILL BE PRESENTED, WHICH IS INTENDED, IF PASSED, TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO PURSUE LEASING OPTIONS FOR CITY HALL AND COME BACK AND GIVE US PRICING AND FINANCING OPTIONS.
IF THAT IS THE FINAL DECISION THE COUNCIL MAKES.
WHEREVER ONE FALLS IN STAYING OR MOVING, WHICHEVER CAMP YOU ARE IN.
I BELIEVE THAT THE RESOLUTION WILL HELP ALL OF US GATHER THE FACTS.
WE NEED TO SEE THE FULL FINANCIAL PICTURE TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION WHEN THE TIME COMES.
I WILL NOW TURN IT OVER TO CITY STAFF. CHAIR WEST, THANK YOU FOR THAT INTRODUCTION AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE TODAY. TODAY'S A VERY UNIQUE DAY FOR US. WE HAVE MULTIPLE PRESENTERS.
AND CHAIR WEST MENTIONED IT AS WELL. BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH FOR THE SAKE OF THIS PRESENTATION TO KIND OF GO BACK HOME TO WHERE THIS STARTED, RIGHT? SO AS THE AS THE MAYOR LAID OUT THE THE VARIOUS COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, HE GAVE EACH ONE OF THEM A POLICY PRIORITY TO, TO GO FORTH WITH AND FOR THE FINANCE COMMITTEE.
I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY READ THAT BECAUSE IT'S WHAT STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING TOWARDS.
AND THESE CONSULTANTS AND FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN HELPING US, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ALL FOCUSED ON TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HIT THIS PRIORITY, ALONG WITH THE OTHER THINGS THAT COUNCIL HAS ASKED US.
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AND I'LL READ THAT DIRECTLY FOR THE FINANCE COMMITTEE FOR THE 2527 CITY COUNCIL TERM, THE POLICY PRIORITY IS NOTED.CONSIDER ALL POTENTIAL OPTIONS AND IDENTIFY THE MOST FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE COURSE TO ADDRESS THE MOUNTING, DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, AND CARRYING COST OF CITY HALL.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. BASED ON THAT POLICY, PRIORITY STAFF PREPARED A PRESENTATION THAT CAME TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE ON OCTOBER 21ST, AND IT WAS A BRIEFING ON DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.
AND IN THE PROCESS OF THAT, WE WERE REQUESTING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL GIVE US POLICY DIRECTION, OR AT LEAST AT THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, HELP US AND PROVIDE POLICY DIRECTION.
OPTION ONE MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO. OPTION TWO PLAN AND FUND REPAIRS.
IN FACT, WE HAD A JOINT COMMITTEE MEETING OF THE FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DEBATE BETWEEN THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MUCH OF THAT DEBATE WAS WAS THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE NUMBER WE PROVIDED, ACCURATE OR NOT.
AND THERE WAS ALSO A GRAND DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT OPTION THREE WOULD ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE.
WHAT WHAT WOULD OPTION THREE MEAN? WHAT WOULD IT MEAN TO POTENTIALLY HAVE ANOTHER CITY HALL? EVERYTHING FROM BUILD A NEW CITY HALL TO LEASE A NEW CITY HALL.
AND THOSE WERE THINGS THAT WE WERE ASKED TO EXPLORE FURTHER.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THE NEXT STEP WAS CITY COUNCIL, RIGHT.
THERE WAS A SERIES OF RESOLUTIONS OR A SERIES OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE COMBINATION OF A RESOLUTION THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WAS GOING TO CONSIDER IN AN EFFORT TO GIVE STAFF WHAT THEY BELIEVE TO BE THE NEXT STEPS.
AND IT WAS A VERY ROBUST AND A HEAVY LADEN, DELIVERABLE BASED RESOLUTION.
AND I'LL KIND OF GO OVER THAT IN DETAIL HERE.
STAFF WAS ASKED TO COMPLETE THE FOLLOWING. EVALUATE OFFICE SPACE NEEDS HERE AT CITY HALL.
REVIEW AVAILABLE OFFICE SPACE IN THE MARKET THAT WAS TIED TO OPTION THREE.
LOOK AT A LEASE, BUY OR POTENTIAL BUILD ANALYSIS ASSOCIATED WITH OPTION THREE.
REVIEW CITY HALL NEEDS AND COSTS, AND THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, CATCHES MY ATTENTION BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT HOW DID WE COME UP WITH THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AT CITY HALL? AND STAFF SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER LAST YEAR EXPLAINING THAT IN GREAT DETAIL, BASED ON VERY RECENT ESTIMATES, THAT WE RECEIVED ESTIMATES FOR REPAIRS THAT WE HAD RECEIVED WITHIN THE LAST FEW YEARS, AND OUR HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE REPAIRS IN A BRUTALIST BUILDING LIKE THIS, WHICH IS NOT YOUR NORMAL CONSTRUCTION SCENARIO.
IN AN EFFORT TO GET THIS, ALONG WITH THE MARKET STUDY AND ECONOMIC ANALYSIS AND APPRAISAL TO BE DONE, THE CITY MANAGER ENGAGED THE DALLAS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION WE LABEL AS THE EDC TO SUPPORT THE PRODUCTION OF THE REQUESTED DELIVERABLES THAT WERE IN THE NOVEMBER 12TH CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION.
LINDA MCMAHON, WHO IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE EDC, IS HERE TODAY, AND SHE ASSEMBLED A VERY STRONG AND ROBUST TEAM IN AN EFFORT TO PROVIDE RESPONSES FOR THE DELIVERABLES THAT WERE ASKED FOR IN THE NOVEMBER 12TH BRIEFING.
BUT AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAVE A VERY ROBUST BRIEFING TODAY, MULTIPLE PRESENTERS.
LINDA, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JOHN, AND I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE.
GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR WEST AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS LINDA MCMAHON AND I SERVE AS THE CEO OF THE DALLAS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
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CONSEQUENTIAL AND LONG OVERDUE TO ASSEMBLE A TEAM CAPABLE OF DELIVERING AN INDEPENDENT, COMPREHENSIVE AND TECHNICALLY RIGOROUS EVALUATION OF DALLAS CITY HALL AND TO EXPLORE REAL ESTATE STRATEGIES THAT WOULD MODERNIZE CITY OPERATIONS FOR THE FUTURE.WE DID NOT APPROACH THIS ASSIGNMENT CASUALLY.
WE BUILT A WORLD CLASS, MULTIDISCIPLINARY, NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED TEAM OF ENGINEERS, ARCHITECTS, BUILDING ENVELOPE SPECIALISTS, STRUCTURAL EXPERTS, AND COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE STRATEGISTS.
THESE WERE NOT GENERALISTS. THEY ARE SUBJECT MATTER AUTHORITIES, ALL OF WHOM FOLLOWED INDUSTRY STANDARDS, METHODOLOGIES AND PROCESSES WITH DEEP EXPERIENCE IN COMPLEX CIVIC FACILITIES, AGING INFRASTRUCTURE, AND EVEN THE UNIQUE STRUCTURAL SYSTEMS ASSOCIATED WITH AN I.M.
WE ALSO WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND BY ADDING TO THE ASSESSMENT PLUMBING SYSTEMS, COMMUNICATIONS AND AUDIO VISUAL EQUIPMENT, AND NEEDS AND ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES, BOTH OF PHASE ONE AND AN ASBESTOS SURVEY, WHICH ARE ALL AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
THE TEAM IS LED BY STEPHEN DUONG, KURT ENGLER AND BRIAN HOLMES.
ACCESS BY DESIGN AND ACCESSIBILITY FIRM LED BY KIM GOSS.
AND FINALLY BELLHAVEN LLC, A FIRM RECOMMENDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY, WHO HAD WORKED WITH THE PRINCIPAL ON PRIVATE PRIOR PROJECTS LED BY COLIN MURPHY, WHO HAS A UNIQUE EXPERIENCE IN BUILDINGS AND WATER INFILTRATION ON THE WORKSPACE MODERNIZATION, WE ENGAGE CORRIGAN, WHOSE HEADQUARTERS IS BASED IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS.
THEY HAVE EXPERTISE IN DESIGN AND WORKPLACE CONSULTING, LED BY LINDSEY WILSON, THE PRESIDENT, AND JASMINE GRIFFITHS, WORKSPACE WORKSPACE STRATEGIST.
WE ALSO ADDED NTI, A NATIONAL FIRM WITH AN EXPERTISE IN NETWORK TECHNOLOGIES FOCUSED ON THE AUDIO, VISUAL AND COMMUNICATIONS NEEDS FOR THE CITY AND DEEP EXPERIENCE IN GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS.
THE CBRE TEAM IS LED BY PETER JANSEN, PHIL PUCKETT AND NOREEN MITTY.
ADDITIONALLY, CBRE DID THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENTS FOR THE CITY HALL BUILDING.
ALL IN ALL, WE HAD OVER 80 PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS, SPENT THOUSANDS OF HOURS OF INSPECTIONS AND REVIEWS, AND SPENT OVER 15 DAYS IN THE BUILDING. FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, THIS WAS AN ALL HANDS ON DECK, HIGH INTENSITY, ACCELERATED EFFORT. WORK BEGAN IMMEDIATELY IN EARLY DECEMBER AND CONTINUES STRAIGHT THROUGH EVENINGS, WEEKENDS AND THE HOLIDAYS. CITY STAFF PROVIDED ACCESS AND COORDINATION, AND THE COLLABORATION WAS A DISCIPLINED, DATA DRIVEN AND RELENTLESS. WHAT THEY FOUND TELLS A STORY.
NEXT SLIDE. THEY FOUND A BUILDING THAT IS STRUCTURALLY AGING WITH MECHANICAL, PLUMBING, HEATING, AIR CONDITIONING, AND ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS THAT NO LONGER MEET MODERN STANDARDS.
WITH EQUIPMENT OPERATING BEYOND INTENDED LIFE CYCLES AND REQUIRING INCREASINGLY COSTLY REPAIRS, WHICH HAVE ONLY BEEN BAND-AIDS. THIS HAS BEEN.
THIS HAS BEEN BECAUSE FOR DECADES, EITHER THROUGH ANNUAL BUDGETS OR CITY BOND CAMPAIGNS, PRIORITIZED NEIGHBORHOODS, PUBLIC SAFETY AND ESSENTIAL SERVICES OVER THIS BUILDING.
AND SO WE HERE HERE WE ARE. THIS IS THE PEOPLE'S HOUSE.
BUT TODAY IT OPERATES WITH DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, MEASURED NOT BY THOUSANDS, BUT IN DECADES.
EVERY MAJOR SYSTEM WAS EVALUATED. EVERY ASSUMPTION WAS STRESS TEST.
THE RESULT IS THE MOST THOROUGH, TRANSPARENT, AND TECHNICALLY DEFENSIBLE ASSESSMENT THIS BUILDING HAS RECEIVED SINCE IT OPENED MORE THAN FOUR DECADES AGO. WE ARE PROVIDING THE COUNCIL WITH OBJECTIVE DATA, ACTIONABLE OPTIONS AND A TRANSPARENT FOUNDATION FOR DECISION MAKING.
AT THE SAME TIME, WE ARE PROVIDING A MARKET BASED, FINANCIALLY GROUNDED REAL ESTATE ANALYSIS THAT WILL ASSIST YOU IN MAKING STRATEGIC AND FINANCIAL DECISIONS REGARDING THE FUTURE OF CITY HALL.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. BOTTOM LINE TO REPAIR CITY HALL WILL COST $906 MILLION.
THAT NUMBER INCLUDES THE REPAIRS TO THE BUILDING OF 329.4 MILLION.
THAT RELOCATION COST IS $113 MILLION. THAT REPAIR NUMBER ONLY DELIVERS A TOTALLY REPAIRED CITY HALL, BUT IT DELIVERS AN EMPTY SHELL SPACE TO MAKE CITY HALL MOVE IN READY WILL COST AN ADDITIONAL 165 MILLION.
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AND OF COURSE, THERE IS A FINANCING COST OF 99 BILLION.MILLION. THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE OPERATIONAL COSTS.
MARKET TIMING IS EVERYTHING AND THIS ENVIRONMENT WILL NOT LAST.
THIS ENGAGEMENT HAS FOUND WAYS TO MAKE CITY SERVICES BETTER AND EASIER TO ACCESS FOR OUR CUSTOMERS.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT SENTIMENT. IT IS ABOUT STEWARDSHIP OF TAXPAYERS MONEY.
AT A TIME WHEN THE CITY BUDGET IS STRETCHED AND HARD DECISIONS NEED TO BE MADE.
IT IS ABOUT WHETHER WE CONTINUE TO INVEST IN AGING SYSTEMS THAT CREATE NO NEW VALUE, OR WHETHER WE POSITION DALLAS FOR A MODERN, EFFICIENT, CUSTOMER FOCUSED CIVIC FUTURE. OVER THE PAST THREE MONTHS, OUR TEAM HAS DELIVERED CLEAR EYED, COMPREHENSIVE AND PROFESSIONAL EVALUATION. THE INFORMATION BEFORE YOU REFLECTS THE EXPERTISE, INTEGRITY AND DEDICATION OF EVERYONE INVOLVED.
FIRST, WE ARE GOING TO SPEND A FEW MINUTES ON THE SPACE PLANNING EXERCISE, WHICH HAS INFORMED THE CBRE MARKET ENGAGEMENT AND THEN WRAP UP WITH THE FACILITY ASSESSMENT WORK WITH AECOM. WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE JASMINE GRIFFITHS WITH CORRIGAN.
THANK YOU LINDA. IT'S BEEN AN HONOR TO WORK ON THIS PROJECT WITH THIS TEAM.
WE ARE A TRUE GLOBAL ARCHITECTURE AND DESIGN FIRM.
BUT MORE THAN THAT, WE ARE WORKPLACE EXPERTS.
WHEN ORGANIZATIONS ARE FACING BIG, COMPLICATED DECISIONS, THINGS LIKE RELOCATING, CONSOLIDATING SPACE, OR FIGURING OUT HOW THEIR WORKSPACE NEEDS TO EVOLVE OVER TIME.
THIS USUALLY COMES WITH A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND A LOT OF STAKEHOLDERS.
IN THE FOLLOWING SLIDES, I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE OCCUPANCY EVALUATION PROCESS WE COMPLETED AND GIVE YOU A REALLY HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY OF THE IN-DEPTH RECOMMENDATIONS WE'VE PROVIDED. NEXT SLIDE. BEFORE ANY PROJECT STARTS, WE'RE FREQUENTLY ENGAGED IN A HIGH LEVEL SPACE ESTIMATE FOR OUR CLIENTS. SO JUST AS WE WOULD FOR ANY OTHER CLIENT TO SUPPORT YOUR NEEDS IN THAT POSSIBLE SEARCH OR STAYING IN YOUR CURRENT LOCATION. WE COLLECTED INFORMATION FROM YOUR EMPLOYEES AND USING OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT THE QUANTITY OF SPACE REQUIRED FOR PUBLIC SERVICES, CEREMONIAL AND WORK SPACE, AND SUPPORT FUNCTIONS SPECIFIC TO CITY HALL. A NEED FOR PARKING IS UNIQUE, WITH FLEET VEHICLES AND PUBLIC VISITORS BEING A CONCERN.
OUR PROCESS WAS EXTENSIVE AND IN COMPARISON TO A TYPICAL PROJECT AT THIS PHASE, WE HAD VERY IN-DEPTH ACCESS THAT THE CITY PROVIDED OVER 18 MEETINGS WITH REVIEW SESSIONS AND OVER 60 PARTICIPANTS, WITH MOST OF THOSE PARTICIPATING IN MULTIPLE SESSIONS.
LIKE I SAID, THIS WAS A COMPREHENSIVE PROCESS.
WE USE PROVEN TOOLS AND EXPERT ANALYSIS. WE CONDUCTED INFORMATIONAL GATHERING ENGAGEMENTS, USE YOUR EXISTING DATA, AND MORE THAN ANYTHING, WE FACTORED IN OUR INDUSTRY BEST PRACTICES INFORMED BY OUR RESEARCH AND OUR WORK WITH OTHER CLIENTS. THIS PROCESS DID COVER BOTH CITY HALL AND OAK CLIFF MUNICIPAL CENTER, SO IN ADDITION TO ENGAGEMENTS WITH CITY STAFF, YOU'LL ALSO SEE THAT WE DID WORKPLACE TOURS OF BOTH.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THE PHOTO ON THIS SLIDE IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE MAKING IT WORK SPACE PLANNING THAT IS CURRENTLY PRESENT ACROSS YOUR BUILDINGS. BEFORE I DIVE IN, I'LL SAY THAT THIS IS A VERY COMMON FOR A 50 YEAR OLD BUILDING, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SEE NOT JUST IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR, BUT ALSO IN OUR WORK WITH PRIVATE CORPORATIONS.
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THIS SPACE PLANNING THAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU OCCUPY A BUILDING FOR OVER 50 YEARS QUITE FREQUENTLY DECREASES FUNCTIONALITY.HOWEVER, YOU'LL ALSO NOTE THAT ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEARD AS WE TALKED TO CITY STAFF WAS THAT THE LAYOUT AND STRUCTURE OF THIS BUILDING PRESENTS ITS OWN UNIQUE CHALLENGES. SOME OF THE PAIN POINTS AND CHALLENGES WE HEARD ABOUT WAS BUILDING ARRANGEMENT.
THAT MAKES WAYFINDING AN ISSUE FOR BOTH THE PUBLIC AND THE STAFF AS THEY'RE FIRST COMING.
SECURITY IS ALSO A MAJOR CONCERN. THE STAFF TOLD US ABOUT SECURITY REQUIRING MORE STAFF THAN WOULD TYPICALLY BE NEEDED FOR A SQUARE FOOTAGE OF YOUR SIZE. AND THE LARGEST THING YOU'LL NOTE HERE ON THE SIDE IS THAT THERE ARE INCONSISTENCIES AND A LOT OF INEFFICIENT USES OF SPACE. NEXT SLIDE. DURING OUR DISCUSSIONS, WE DID HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES UNCOVERED. BASED ON OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF AND DEPARTMENTS, WE REALIZED THAT THERE COULD BE A LARGE INCREASE IN SPACE EFFICIENCY BY SHARING RESOURCES. SUPPORTING COLLABORATION WITH IDEAL DEPARTMENT ADJACENCIES WAS A REAL NEED, INCLUDING NOT JUST WITHIN THIS BUILDING, BUT IN MULTIPLE BUILDINGS AND IMPROVING THE SUITABILITY OF LOCATION FOR SOME DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE LOCATED IN OAK CLIFF MUNICIPAL CENTER. CURRENTLY, ONE BIG OPPORTUNITY IS MEETING CURRENT STANDARDS FOR WORKPLACE WELLNESS SPACES SUCH AS MOTHERS AND DECOMPRESSIONS ROOM, AND IMPROVED FUNCTIONALITY NOT JUST FOR CITY STAFF TO HAVE MEETINGS, BUT FOR CITY EXECUTIVES AND PUBLIC ENGAGEMENTS.
THE CURRENT QUANTITY AND QUALITY OF MEETING SPACES IS INSUFFICIENT.
IT'S A LONG TIME TO PLAN FOR THE OTHER LARGE OPPORTUNITY.
MOBILITY IN TERMS OF ADA ACCESS. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS A VERY HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY OF OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE NEED FOR WORKSPACE OVER THE CITY HALL FACILITIES.
THESE THE WORKSPACE SEPARATED INTO THESE DIFFERENT FACILITIES AND FUNCTIONS ARE REALLY FIVE FOLD.
FIRST CEREMONIAL SPACES. THAT'S A SPACE JUST LIKE WE'RE SITTING IN TODAY.
AS WELL AS ALL THE PUBLIC SPACES. TWO ARE VERY TYPICAL OFFICE SPACE FUNCTIONS.
THOSE ARE ALL THE DEPARTMENTS THAT MAKE THE CITY WORK.
THREE ARE NON-TYPICAL OFFICE USES AND GROUPS THAT HAVE HIGH FIELD.
FIELD HEAVY WORKERS. IN TERMS OF THE METER READERS.
NUMBER FOUR, YOU'LL SEE CRITICAL COMMUNICATIONS AND OPERATIONS ARE CURRENTLY HOUSED IN CITY HALL.
THOSE WERE INCLUDED IN THIS STUDY. AND NUMBER FIVE AUXILIARY NEEDS.
AND YOU CURRENTLY HOUSE SOME OF YOUR FILES AT IRON MOUNTAIN.
THOSE ARE ASSUMED TO REMAIN AS FUNCTIONS. THE LARGEST FUNCTION WE WERE PROPOSING PULLING OUT OF THE CITY HALL SPACE REQUIREMENT IS THE SAFETY, COMMUNICATIONS AND EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER.
THIS IS GROUPS LIKE 311911 DPD DISPATCH AND DALLAS FIRE RESCUE DISPATCH.
THESE ARE REALLY CRITICAL FUNCTIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY LOCATED IN CITY HALL, BUT THAT'S NOT IDEAL.
THEIR PREFERENCE AND THE INDUSTRY STANDARD WOULD BE FOR THEM TO BE LOCATED IN A SPECIAL HARDENED FACILITY THAT IS WEATHERPROOF AND LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'VE ESTIMATED THE SPACE NEED FOR THOSE GROUPS AT 140,000 USABLE SQUARE FEET, AND WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED A GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE NUMBER, KNOWING THAT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THAT WOULD BE A FACILITY BUILT TO SUIT.
YOU'LL ALSO SEE ON THIS PAGE OAK CLIFF MUNICIPAL CENTER.
IDEALLY, THE ONE LARGE CHANGE THAT YOU'LL SEE IS WE HAVE PROPOSED THE PERMIT CENTER MOVING TO THE MAIN CITY HALL REQUIREMENT AND BACKFILLING THAT AVAILABLE SPACE IS THE CITY SECRETARY, RECORDS CENTER, AND OTHER FUNCTIONS THAT HAVE HEAVY FIELD WORKERS THAT REQUIRE THE USE
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OF THE LARGE PARKING AVAILABILITY AT THAT BUILDING.SO WHAT REMAINS? MOST OF THE FUNCTIONS THAT WERE ASSESSED AT CITY HALL REMAIN WITH THE GROUP.
WE DID AS WE STARTED THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THIS CITY HALL REQUIREMENT LOOKED LIKE, REALIZED THAT IN ORDER TO SUPPORT FLEXIBILITY WITH THE REAL ESTATE MARKET OPTIONS, IT WOULD BE IDEAL IF WE SEPARATED GROUPS INTO THOSE THAT REALLY NEEDED TO BE WITH THE CEREMONIAL COMPONENTS AND PRIMARY COMPONENTS OF CITY HALL, LIKE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY MANAGER MANAGER'S OFFICE AND THE MAYOR.
OBVIOUSLY, THE RECOMMENDATION AND IDEAL SITUATION IS THAT ALL OF THOSE COULD BE LOCATED TOGETHER, BUT IF NOT, THE REQUIREMENT WAS SEPARATED. SHOWING 205 USABLE SQUARE FEET FOR THAT CEREMONIAL PRIMARY AND THEN 300,000 USABLE SQUARE FEET FOR THE ANNEX.
NEXT SLIDE. IN THESE EARLY PROGRAMING ENGAGEMENTS, OUR IN-DEPTH DISCUSSIONS USUALLY YIELD EXPERIENTIAL NEEDS THAT DON'T SHOW UP IN THE SPACE REQUIREMENT NUMBERS. THAT'S WHAT THIS SLIDE SUMMARIZES A FEW KEY ATTRIBUTES FOR CONSIDERATION AS YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH DECISIONS.
UNDERSTANDING THAT A PUBLIC GATHERING PLAZA IS VERY IMPORTANT.
NOTING THAT YOUR CURRENT FACILITY HAS A CAFETERIA, A GRAB AND GO IN A FITNESS CENTER, AND THAT IF YOU WERE CONSIDERING NOT INCLUDING THOSE IN A FUTURE FACILITY. IT WOULD BE A REDUCTION IN EMPLOYEE BENEFITS TO CITY HALL WORKERS AND THEN SPECIAL SECURITY REQUIREMENTS.
VERY HIGH LEVEL NOTED HERE AND ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS TO BE DETERMINED.
WITH THAT, I'LL ASK FOR THE NEXT SLIDE AND TURN IT OVER TO PD.
PETER JANSEN, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT WITH CBRE.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL, AND THANK YOU, JASMINE.
AND THE KORGAN EFFORTS HAVE BEEN JUST UNMATCHED.
AND SO WE'RE APPRECIATIVE OF EFFORTS. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS PETER JANSEN.
AND WE JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE OF ASSISTANCE.
OUR COUNTERPARTS, COLLEAGUES, THE OWNERS, BROKERS AND DESIGN TEAMS HAVE BEEN WORKING TIRELESSLY ON NIGHTS, WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS TO RESPOND TO OUR MANY INQUIRIES AND REQUESTS FOR SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION.
THEY HAVE TRULY BROUGHT THEIR CREATIVITY TO BEAR FOR THE CITY THE CITY'S BENEFIT.
WE HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR THE MULTIFACETED NATURE OF THIS ASSIGNMENT, AND WE'VE DEPLOYED THE FULL FORCE OF CBRE'S REPUTATION, RESOURCES AND DATA TO TURN THEORETICALS INTO ACTUALS AND TO TURN OVER EVERY ROCK TO CREATE A COMPELLING SET OF OPPORTUNITIES TO COMPARE ON AN APPLES TO APPLES BASIS, TO THE STATUS QUO.
CBA'S GLOBAL AND LOCAL PLATFORM ALLOWS US TO ADVISE CLIENTS FROM EVERY SECTOR.
WE ARE PROUD TO BE A LEADER IN THE INDUSTRY, BUT EXCEPTIONALLY PROUD TO BE HEADQUARTERED IN DALLAS, WHERE WE HAVE A 50 YEAR OPERATING HISTORY AND OUR PLATFORM HAS ENABLED OUR TEAM TO BRING RELEVANT AND TIMELY DATA TO BEAR FOR THIS ASSIGNMENT, REDUCING THE UNCERTAINTY OF THE VARIOUS SCENARIOS UNDER EVALUATION.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. OUR TEAM, WHICH INCLUDES OMB'S STRATEGIC ADVISORS, HAS A LONG HISTORY OF ADVISING LOCAL AND REGIONAL PEERS OF THE CITY, INCLUDING A DECADE OF SERVICE TO DALLAS COUNTY, WHERE WE'VE HELPED THEM OPTIMIZE THEIR PORTFOLIO AND TRANSFORM THEIR SERVICE DELIVERY TO RESIDENTS. THIS EXPERIENCE HAS CONTRIBUTED MEANINGFULLY TO HOW WE ENGAGE THE MARKET THOUGHTFULLY ON THE CITY'S BEHALF.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. WHEN WE GO TO MARKET, WE HAVE TWO CLEAR OBJECTIVES FOR OUR CLIENTS.
THANK YOU SIR. ILLUMINATE THE POSSIBILITIES AND FORMULATE AN INITIAL INITIAL IMPRESSION OF THE RELATIVE LEVERAGE OUR CLIENTS HAVE IN THE CURRENT MARKET CONDITIONS. MARKETS ARE LIVING, BREATHING, DYNAMIC THINGS.
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AND SO THE TIME IN THE MARKET AND WHEN YOU GO TO MARKET AND HOW YOU GO TO MARKET CANNOT BE UNDERSTATED OR UNDERESTIMATED.OUR SOLICITATION WENT OUT TO HUNDREDS OF PARTIES.
DOZENS OF PROPOSALS WERE RECEIVED ACROSS THE ENTIRE FACET OF ACQUISITION AND DEVELOPMENT.
OUR INITIAL CONCLUSION IS THAT THE MARKET HAS PROVIDED A NUMBER OF COMPELLING SOLUTIONS WHERE THE CITY COULD SAVE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, AND NOW IS AN EXCELLENT TIME TO BE IN THE MARKET.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THE COUNCIL RESOLUTION INSTRUCT US TO LOOK AT AT LEAST BUY AND BUILD ANALYSIS. AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE METHODOLOGY BEFORE OUR FINAL SLIDES.
AND WE WERE ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY RECEIVE PROPOSALS ACROSS ALL OF THE TYPES OF ACQUISITION STRUCTURES, SELECT OPTIONS, EVEN HAVE EXISTING STREAMS OF INCOME.
CONTRACTUAL INCOME OFFSETTING THE POTENTIAL CITY COSTS.
CBRE APPLIED LOCAL MARKET DATA FROM COMPARABLE PROJECTS AND PEER BENCHMARKS TO FORMULATE AND REFINE INPUTS ON COSTS TO CREATE A NORMALIZED MODEL FOR ALL OF THE SCENARIOS. AND AGAIN, OUR PRELIMINARY FINDINGS REVEAL THAT AN ACQUISITION, WHETHER LEASE OR PURCHASE OR LEASE TO PURCHASE TO BE THE LEAST COSTLY OPTION WITH SIMILAR OR HIGHER COSTS BETWEEN RENOVATION AND NEW CONSTRUCTION.
WE HAVE VERY FIRM CONVICTION THAT CONTINUED ENGAGEMENT WILL YIELD MORE COMPLETE FINANCIAL TERMS FOR THE CITY, AND THAT NOW IS AN EXCELLENT TIME TO BE NEGOTIATING IN THE MARKET.
NEXT SLIDE. FURTHERMORE, THE MARKET ENGAGEMENT REVEALED MULTIPLE OPTIONS WITH EXCESS SPACE THAT BEING 100,000FT² OR MORE, THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE OTHER CITY OWNED OR LEASED OPTIONS.
THESE BUILDINGS ARE NOT ALL PERFECT RECTANGLES.
WE BELIEVE THE MARKET ENGAGEMENT HAS FULFILLED THE RESOLUTION GOALS. AGAIN, TRANSITIONING FROM THEORETICAL TO ACTUAL PROPOSALS WITH HARD DATA TO FORMULATE COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS AND DISCERN OPPORTUNITIES FOR FINANCIAL AND PROGRAMMATIC STEWARDSHIP.
THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO STEPHEN. OH MY APOLOGIES.
AND THE OVERARCHING CONCLUSIONS ARE ONE IN THE ESSA PHASE ONE THERE WERE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ADDITIONAL EVALUATION. BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT FINDING THROUGH THE ASBESTOS STUDY IS THAT ASBESTOS, ASBESTOS PERMEATES THE BUILDING AND IN A RENOVATION PROCESS, WILL UNDOUBTEDLY DISTURB SOME OF THOSE MATERIALS.
THANK YOU. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE, AND PULL THE MIC CLOSER? GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS STEVEN DUONG. I'M A MANAGING PRINCIPAL WITH AECOM HERE IN OUR DALLAS OFFICE.
CURT AND BRIAN, WHO CAN ANSWER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS IF THEY DO ARISE.
IN THE EVENT YOU HAVE NOT WORKED WITH AECOM, WE ARE ONE OF THE LARGEST ARCHITECTURAL ENGINEERING FIRMS IN THE WORLD, HEADQUARTERED HERE IN DALLAS. ACCORDING TO ENGINEERING NEWS RECORD, WE ARE THE NUMBER ONE RANKED FIRM IN GENERAL BUILDING.
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THE FOLLOWING SLIDES I WILL WALK YOU ALL THROUGH OUR HIGH LEVEL SUMMARIES.BUT AGAIN, I WANT TO REITERATE THAT WE ALSO HAVE MANY OF OUR COLLABORATORS WHO HELPED US DEVELOP THIS FCA ONLINE WITH US, IN ADDITION TO THE ACTUAL TEAM LEADS THEMSELVES.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENTS ARE A FREQUENT SCOPE THAT OUR FIRM PROVIDES.
WE FOLLOW SPECIFIC GUIDANCE WHEN WE DEVELOP FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENTS.
THAT RANGES FROM THE PROCESS ITSELF TO ALSO THE COST ESTIMATION PROCESS.
THE FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT PROCESS FOLLOWS GUIDANCE THAT IS CALLED ASTM 20 1824.
NOW WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THE ASTM PROCESS OUTLINES A NON-INTRUSIVE AND VISUAL ASSESSMENT PROCESS THAT IS SPECIFICALLY DEVELOPED AS A NATIONAL STANDARD TO DEVELOP STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESSES AND AND EVALUATIONS FOR SYSTEMS WITHIN A FACILITY, JUST LIKE CITY HALL.
WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT WE BRING IN OUR EXPERTS, ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS, AND OTHER FOLKS TO LOOK AT THE BUILDING SYSTEMS, SEE WHERE THERE ARE DEFICIENCIES, AND DEVELOP A PROCESS AT A PLANNING LEVEL THAT HELPS YOU ALL MAKE DECISIONS GOING FORWARD.
SO THE NUMBERS THAT I WILL BE PRESENTING LATER TODAY FOLLOW THE AACE PROCESS.
WE FOLLOW THE BOMA INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS, WHICH HELPS OUTLINE FROM FACILITY MANAGERS AND OTHER CONTRACTORS THE TYPICAL EXPECTED LIFESPAN OF THESE BUILDING SYSTEMS. WE USE THE BOMA STANDARDS TO HELP EVALUATE WHETHER YOUR SYSTEMS ARE AGED BEYOND THE END OF THEIR TYPICAL LIFE CYCLE, AND HOW MUCH RUNWAY THEY MAY HAVE LEFT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
SO SOME OF THE KEY FINDINGS THE FIRST I'LL START WITH IS THAT MANY, IF NOT ALL, OF THE MAJOR BUILDING SYSTEMS ARE PAST OR NEAR THE END OF THEIR USEFUL LIFE BASED OFF OF BOMA STANDARDS.
IT IS ALSO AUGMENTED BY CONVERSATIONS WITH CITY STAFF, MAINTENANCE TEAMS, AND ALSO THE HISTORICAL MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR PROJECTS THAT THIS CITY HAS UNDERTAKEN ON THE BUILDING.
SO WHEN WE'RE BRINGING ALL THESE THINGS TOGETHER, WE'RE SEEING THAT FOR ALL MEASURES, FROM WHAT WE CAN SEE VISUALLY IN THE BUILDING, THESE SYSTEMS ARE LIKELY BEYOND THE TYPICAL EXPECTED LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THESE SYSTEMS. AND AN ADDITIONAL NOTE I WANT TO MAKE IS THAT MANY OF THESE SYSTEMS ARE SYSTEMIC IN TERMS OF THEIR DEFICIENCIES.
AND IN OUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, THAT MEANS THAT IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT THIS BUILDING IS FIT FOR PURPOSE OR IN A STATE OF GOOD REPAIR OVER THE LONG TERM, FUTURE PATCHWORK AND OCCASIONAL REPAIRS IS NOT ENOUGH.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT A SYSTEMS LEVEL REPAIR, WHICH IS HOW WE WORK THROUGH THE ASTM PROCESS.
SO THE PROCESS IS ALIGNED WITH THE ACTUAL GOALS OF THIS EFFORT.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO THIS SLIDE HAS THE TABLE THAT SHOWS YOU IN THE MIDDLE COLUMN THE EXPECTED USEFUL LIFE OF THESE SYSTEMS. AND ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE COLUMN THE ESTIMATED ASSET AGE OF EACH SYSTEM.
YOU'LL NOTE HERE THAT EACH OF THESE SYSTEMS ARE BEYOND THE END OF THEIR EXPECTED SYSTEM LIFE.
I WILL ALSO PAUSE HERE TO MENTION THAT WE PROVIDED AND DEVELOPED THE FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT IN 2006 2017 FOR THE CITYWIDE ASSETS, INCLUDING CITY HALL. ONE OF THE KEY DIFFERENCES OF OUR EFFORTS BACK IN 2017 TO NOW IS THAT THAT EFFORT WAS MOSTLY A TARGETED EFFORT TO IDENTIFY SHORT TERM OPPORTUNITIES FOR REPAIR THAT COULD BE PRIORITIZED INTO THE BOND PROGRAM AT THE TIME.
THIS FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT IS A NEW, INDEPENDENT, DEEPER ASSESSMENT INTO THE BUILDING IN ORDER TO INVESTIGATE HOW TO BRING THE BUILDING UP TO GOOD STANDING AND HOLD IT THERE INTO THE FUTURE.
SO I WANTED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THAT PRIOR EFFORT AND THIS EFFORT.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO SOME OF THE KEY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE BROADER TEAM HAS IDENTIFIED.
THERE ARE A LOT OF CONTENT ON THE SUBSEQUENT SLIDES HERE.
I WILL WALK US THROUGH THE HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY.
A COUPLE OF THINGS TO NOTE. IT IS A LOT OF TEXT.
THIS IS AVAILABLE ONLINE FOR EACH OF YOU TO LOOK THROUGH.
I WILL CALL OUT SOME OF THE NOTABLE ELEMENTS ON EACH OF THESE SLIDES.
ANOTHER THING TO NOTE IS THAT ALL THE IMAGES YOU SEE IN OUR PRESENTATION ARE FROM DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR AND JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, TAKEN DURING OUR FIELD VISITS WHILE WE WERE IN THE FACILITY ITSELF.
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SO WITH THAT, SOME OF THE KEY RECOMMENDATIONS WE HAVE.THAT MAKES SENSE, AS ONE OF THE KEY RECOMMENDATIONS WE ALSO SEE IS RELATED TO HVAC SYSTEM UPGRADES.
I'LL GO INTO THE ROOF AND THE GARAGE STRUCTURAL ON THEIR OWN SIDES.
BUT OVERALL, OUR ASSESSMENT SEES THAT IF WE WANT TO HOLD ON TO THIS BUILDING IN THE LONG TERM, A LARGE SCALE SYSTEMS REPLACEMENT IS MORE APPLICABLE THAN POSSIBLY DOING SPECIFIC PATCHWORK, WHICH IS WHAT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN DOING FOR THE PAST MANY DECADES.
NEXT SLIDE. MAJOR FINDINGS ON THE MECHANICAL HVAC SYSTEMS. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAVE HEARD FROM STAFF THAT THERE IS CONCERN AROUND COMFORT IN THE BUILDING AS IT RELATES TO COOLING AND HEATING.
THAT ALIGNS WITH OUR FINDINGS THAT MANY OF THE AIR HANDLING UNITS ARE STILL ORIGINAL, AND THEY LIMIT THE ABILITY FOR THE BUILDING TO COOL AND VENTILATE PROPERLY WITH MODERN EXPECTATIONS. THE IMAGES ON THE RIGHT HERE SHOW SOME OF THE DETERIORATION THAT YOU WILL SEE ON THE ROOF RELATED TO THE WATER PIPING AND SOME OF THE WATER CHILLERS ALSO. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
FURTHER ENHANCING THAT, ONE OF THE OTHER FINDINGS WE HAVE RELATED TO STAFF COMFORT IS THAT THE WINDOW, THE ALUMINUM FRAMED WINDOWS, MANY OF THEM ARE ALSO ORIGINAL AND ARE THERMALLY INEFFICIENT.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. ELECTRICAL. SO MANY OF THE ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT IN THIS BUILDING IS ALSO ORIGINAL, AND THAT POSES SEVERAL DIFFERENT RISKS.
THE OTHER IS THAT DUE TO THE AGE OF THOSE SYSTEMS, FINDING PARTS TO REPLACE AND REPAIR THAT SYSTEM IS MORE DIFFICULT AND WILL ONLY BECOME MORE DIFFICULT OVER TIME AS THESE ORIGINAL PARTS ARE HARD TO FIND.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. FIRE PROTECTION. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE NOTED IS THAT THE FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEMS ARE NOT TO MODERN EXPECTATIONS. FLOORS ONE THROUGH SIX ACTUALLY USE STANDPIPE AND FIRE EXTINGUISHERS ONLY.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IN THE EVENT OF A FIRE EMERGENCY OR A FIRE EVENT? CITY STAFF AND OTHERS WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO MANUALLY HOOK A HOSE UP TO A PIPE AND RUN THAT HOSE TO THE FIRE EVENT, BECAUSE THERE ARE NOT SPRINKLERS ON THOSE FLOORS.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THERE ARE COSMETIC AND OTHERWISE CONCERNS IN MANY OF THE BATHROOMS. AND HOWEVER, ONE THING WE DID WANT TO CALL OUT IS THE LAST BULLET ON THIS SLIDE, WHICH IS THAT ON THE SEVENTH FLOOR CAFETERIA, THERE IS AN INADEQUATE GREASE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, WHICH ACTUALLY RESTRICTS THE ABILITY FOR CITY STAFF AND CITY HALL TO HAVE VARIOUS FUNCTIONS AND FOOD SERVICES IN THE BUILDING ITSELF.
IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY ADJUST THIS GREASE INTERCEPTOR, STRUCTURAL MODIFICATION WOULD HAVE TO OCCUR WITH THE PIPING SYSTEM IN ORDER TO UPGRADE THAT SYSTEM. NEXT SLIDE. WATER INTRUSION. WE KNOW THAT WATER INTRUSION IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT ITEM FOR YOU ALL AND FOR THIS COUNCIL IN TERMS OF WHAT IT IS, ONE OF THE MANY THINGS THAT WE CAN SAY IS ACTUALLY A SYSTEMIC FINDING RATHER THAN AN ACUTE FINDING.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT IN MANY PLACES ACROSS BOTH THE GARAGE AND THE BUILDING ITSELF, WE SEE EVIDENCE OF WATER INTRUSION AND MOISTURE RELATED DAMAGE.
THIS IS SIGNIFICANT. ACTUALLY, THE IMAGES ON THE SCREEN HERE SHOW IF YOU CANNOT TELL IN THE TOP LEFT IMAGE, THERE IS ACTUALLY AN IMAGE OF A GUTTER SYSTEM THAT IS USED INTERNAL TO THE BUILDING TO MOVE AND CONVEY WATER OUT OF THE IT SPACE.
EVEN THAT INTERNAL GUTTER SYSTEM IS AGED AND NOT OPERATING PROPERLY.
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THERE IS NO STRUCTURAL PROBLEM WITH THE BUILDING.BUT THERE IS NO CONCERN ABOUT BEING IN THIS BUILDING AND THAT IT'S GOING TO FALL DOWN ON YOU.
HOWEVER, IN THOSE PLACES WHERE THERE IS LOCALIZED DAMAGE, WE CAN SEE THAT THE WATER INTRUSION AND MOISTURE PROBLEMS ARE LIKELY TO MAKE THOSE PROBLEMS WORSE OVER TIME. THUS, WE RECOMMEND DEALING WITH THOSE LOCALIZED ISSUES.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. CORRECTIVE REPAIR. THE TABLE YOU SEE ON THIS SLIDE.
HERE IS HOW WE HAVE BROKEN OUT OUR COST ESTIMATES FOR CORRECTIVE REPAIR.
WHAT DO WE MEAN BY CORRECTIVE REPAIR. WHAT WE MEAN IS THAT FOLLOWING THE ASTM PROCESS, WE FIND DEFICIENCIES IN THESE BUILDING SYSTEMS. AND WE PRICE THEM TO REPLACE THE SYSTEMS AS IS.
SO AS WAS NOTED BY MY COLLEAGUES EARLIER, WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT WHEN WE ARE REPLACING SYSTEMS IN THE BUILDING, THAT MEANS REPLACING WINDOWS, REPLACING FIXTURES AND OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE BUILDING AS THE BUILDING IS TODAY.
THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE COST OF MODERNIZATION.
IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE COST OF BRINGING THE BUILDING FULLY UP TO CODE.
IT IS FOLLOWING A STANDARD PROCEDURE OF WHERE WE PRICE ELEMENTS BASED OFF OF EFFICIENCIES OBSERVED IN THE BUILDING, AND WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO REPLACE THOSE SYSTEMS TO BRING THE BUILDING UP TO GOOD STANDING.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE SYSTEMS. OUR COST ESTIMATES ASSUME THAT THE REPAIRS IN THE BUILDING HAPPEN ALL AT ONCE DUE TO THE BUILDING BEING VACANT.
THE REASON THIS IS, IS BECAUSE FOLLOWING GUIDANCE OF BOTH ASTM AND AACE, WE CAN ONLY PRICE THOSE SYSTEMS, ASSUMING THEY ARE DONE IN PLACE WITHOUT NECESSARILY THE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS AND CONSIDERATIONS AROUND PHASING AND STAGING.
SO THE NUMBER THAT YOU SAW ON THE PRIOR SLIDE, THE 329 MILLION.
HENCE THE TEXT ON THE SLIDE ABOUT VACATING THE BUILDING FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
NOW, PHASE REPAIRS ARE POSSIBLE, BUT WE KNOW THAT THEY WILL LIKELY LEAD TO LONGER TIMELINES AND INCREASED BUDGET DUE TO THE STRATEGIC NATURE OF HAVING TO STAGGER AND PHASE THOSE REPAIRS OVER MULTIPLE YEARS.
SO AGAIN, OUR COST ESTIMATE DOES NOT INCLUDE OTHER EXTERNALITIES AND CONTINGENCIES AND CHANGE ORDERS THAT MAY OCCUR WHEN YOU ACTUALLY OPEN UP THE BUILDING WALLS, FIND OTHER THINGS, OR ATTEMPT TO STRATEGICALLY PHASE IN REPAIRS.
AND NEXT SLIDE I'LL PASS IT BACK TO PETER. THE GOLD STANDARD OF FINANCIAL ANALYSIS FOR OCCUPIERS OF REAL ESTATE IS ESSENTIALLY A 20 YEAR OCCUPANCY TIME HORIZON.
AND SO WE TOOK THE NUMBERS FROM A AECOM. THEN WE RAN THROUGH A NUMBER OF PEER BENCHMARKS AND INDUSTRY STANDARDS FOR IN A LOW, MEDIUM AND HIGH METHODOLOGY FOR INTERIOR UPGRADES AND AND MODERNIZATION COSTS.
AND THEN WE WORKED WITH NTI AND A NUMBER OF OTHER VENDORS TO COLLABORATE AROUND FURNITURE, FIXTURES AND EQUIPMENT NUMBERS AND FINAL TECHNOLOGY NUMBERS.
NOW, A KEY PIECE OF THIS IS THE TEMPORARY RELOCATION ONE OF THE MARKET FINDINGS THAT IS NOTABLE IS THAT THERE'S NO WALK IN SPACE AVAILABLE IN THE MARKET TODAY AT SIZE. THERE ARE SOME DECENT OPTIONS.
THERE ARE OPTIONS THAT ARE DIRECTIONALLY CORRECT, BUT YOU CANNOT LEAVE THIS BUILDING AND WALK INTO ANOTHER BUILDING WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL EXPENDITURES WITHIN THAT LOCATION AS WELL.
SO WE'VE CAPTURED A FIVE YEAR LEASE. WE'VE CAPTURED THE FIT OUT COSTS IN RANGES.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE INTEREST EXPENSE WITH FINANCING THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROJECT.
SO WE ARRIVED AT A SUBTOTAL OF $906 MILLION, WITH A HIGH SIDE TO THAT RANGE OF JUST OVER $1.1 BILLION, DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL OF MODERNIZATION THAT OCCURS AND DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL OF CAPEX THAT'S REQUIRED AT ANY TEMPORARY RELOCATIONS.
THAT WAS TOTALED UP AND THEN AND THEN EXCUSE ME, THEN THE OPERATING EXPENSES WERE ADDED TO THAT TO ARRIVE AT A HOLISTIC NUMBER FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS WITH A RANGE OF 1.1 TO $1.4 BILLION.
WITH THAT CHAIR WEST, I THINK WE'VE CONCLUDED OUR PRESENTATION.
I'LL TURN IT BACK TO LINDA AND DENZEL FOR ANY FINAL REMARKS.
CORRECT. CHAIR, THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION PRIOR TO NEXT STEPS.
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OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT VERY DETAILED PRESENTATION.SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MY MY COLLEAGUE. MISS BLAIR.
THANK YOU, CHAIR, AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
I SEE MY CHURCH HERE TODAY. CAN YOU GUYS ALL STAND FROM CONCORD? THEY'RE ALL WEARING SHIRTS THAT BUTTONS THAT SAYS WAS IT CONNECT AND CONCERN.
THEY'RE HERE TO HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON. THEY'RE HERE TO TO GET AN APPRECIATION FOR WHAT'S GOING ON.
COLLECTIVELY, THEY WANT TO ALSO UNDERSTAND WHAT DOES IT MEAN HERE AT CITY HALL.
SOME OF THESE ARE RESIDENTS OF DALLAS. AND IF THEY GO TO CONCORD, THEY ARE IN DALLAS.
DALLAS IS A9000 MEMBER CHURCH. I SEE MANY OF THEM EVERY SUNDAY AT 830.
AND SO I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR COMING TO MY HOUSE, TO ZARIN'S HOUSE, TO ALL OF US THAT BELONG TO CONCORD, CITY OF DALLAS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND I KNOW WE HAVE SOME FOLKS HERE FROM THE SAVE CITY HALL.
I'VE SEEN THOSE SQUARE BUTTONS. YOU GUYS WANT TO STAND UP? I SEE SOME OF MY RESIDENTS AND, OF COURSE, COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU.
SINCE WE'RE NOT HAVING PUBLIC COMMENTS TODAY, ARE WE STILL GOING TO HAVE THAT MAYOR PRO TEM AT AT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? WE WILL BE HAVING PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS ON MONDAY AT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
COLLEAGUES WITH AND WE HAVE CITY SECRETARY IS GOING TO HAVE YOUR CLOCKS.
SO AT THIS POINT IT IS 1:44 P.M. ON FEBRUARY 23RD 2026, THE SPECIAL CALLED MEETING FOR THE FINANCE COMMITTEE WILL NOW GO INTO CLOSED SESSION UNDER SECTION 551.072 OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT ON THE FOLLOWING MATTER DESCRIBED ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
AGENDA ITEM L. OKAY, EVERYBODY, IT IS 3:58 P.M..
AT THIS TIME ON FEBRUARY 23RD, 2026, WE HAVE RETURNED TO OPEN SESSION.
ALL RIGHT. I MENTIONED THIS WHEN I OPENED THE MEETING SEVERAL HOURS AGO THAT WE WOULD BE GOING.
WE WERE GOING TO BE USING THE 531 METHOD TO ASK QUESTIONS.
SO I WILL START ON THE FIVE MINUTE QUESTION PROCESS WITH COMMITTEE MEMBERS FIRST.
AND THEN WE'LL GO TO NON COMMITTEE. WE'LL DO THREE MINUTES COMMITTEE, NON COMMITTEE AND SO ON.
AND SO I WILL START AT THIS POINT WITH MY VICE CHAIR IF SHE'S READY.
CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIR STEWART THREE MINUTES OKAY.
I JUST HAVE SOME QUESTIONS HERE. FIVE MINUTES.
LOOKING AT SLIDES TEN AND 39, WE HAVE 329 MILLION IN CORRECTED REPAIRS AND REPLACEMENTS.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE GOING TO PAY FOR THESE REPAIRS BY ISSUING BONDS.
WILL ISSUING NEW BONDS FOR THESE REPAIRS AND REPLACEMENTS IMPACT.
THAT'S YOUR TIME ON THERE. AND JACK, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE GIVEN ME LIKE, AN ITEMIZED LIST OF A LOT OF THESE REPAIRS, ROOF REPLACEMENT, HVAC, ELECTRICAL DISTRIBUTION, AND EMERGENCY POWER.
BUT MY QUESTION IS, IF WE ISSUE NEW BONDS TO PAY FOR THESE REPAIRS AND REPLACEMENTS, WHAT IMPACT DOES IT HAVE ON OUR 2024 BOND PROJECTS? WILL ANY OF THEM GET DELAYED AND NOT HAPPEN IN, SAY, 27, 28, 29? OKAY. THANK YOU. JACK GARLAND CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER SO THE QUESTION REGARDING IF WE FINANCE THE IMPROVEMENTS OF 329 MILLION OR WHATEVER AMOUNT GETS REFINED OR GETS FINANCED.
WOULD IT HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR EXISTING PLANS FOR THE 2024 BOND PROGRAM?
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SO THE CITY HAS THE CAPACITY TO ISSUE ABOUT $250 MILLION ANNUALLY FOR GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS.SO IF WE CHOOSE TO PRIORITIZE ANOTHER PROJECT, SUCH AS CITY HALL REPAIRS WE COULD DO THAT.
IT WOULD JUST RESULT IN US HAVING TO RESCHEDULE OR ADJUST THE TIMING OF OUR EXISTING PROJECTS.
AND YOU WANT TO ISSUE THAT FOR CITY HALL. THAT WOULD MEAN THAT PROJECTS THAT YOU HAD PLANNED FOR 24 WOULD GET PUSHED OUT, BECAUSE OUR RIGHT NOW, OUR CAP IS ABOUT $250 MILLION EACH YEAR IN GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS.
OF COURSE, THAT COULD CHANGE IF WE HAVE MORE GROWTH.
AND WE LOOK AT THAT EACH YEAR. BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE ASSUMING ABOUT 250 MILLION ANNUALLY.
OKAY. BECAUSE I'VE GOT A PHASE THREE FOR FORCE.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE PUTTING WE'VE PUT IN A ONE ACRE PARK AND WE'RE WORKING ON A COMMUNITY CENTER.
SO IT WOULD BE A 28, 29 PROJECT. SO POTENTIALLY WHAT MY COMMUNITY HAS BEEN WAITING FOR FOR YEARS COULD BE POSTPONED YET AGAIN BECAUSE WE WE HAVE PRIORITIZED THESE REPAIRS AND REPLACEMENTS.
OKAY. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. SO FROM THE AECOM REPORT, PAGE THREE, I'M GOING TO QUOTE, DUE TO THEIR AGE, SCALE AND CONTINUOUS USE, DALLAS CITY HALL AND THE PARKING GARAGE RELY ON COMPLEX BUILDING SYSTEMS THAT REQUIRE PROACTIVE MAINTENANCE AND LONG TERM CAPITAL PLANNING TO SUPPORT RELIABILITY, SAFETY, AND ONGOING COMPLIANCE EXPECTATIONS.
DID WE EVER BUDGET FOR CAPITAL REPLACEMENT REPLACEMENTS? THAT, AGAIN, IS PROBABLY A JACK QUESTION. OR MAYBE DONZELL, YOU KNOW THAT.
BUT I MEAN, DID WE YOU KNOW, I KNOW THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE WORKED IN FACILITIES KNOW THAT OUR HVAC AND OUR CHILLERS THAT OUR ROOF, THAT OUR ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS, THAT THERE ARE SO MANY BASIC SYSTEMS IN THIS BUILDING THAT NEEDED CAPITAL REPLACEMENT.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF YOU ARE MAYBE IN A FOR PROFIT BUILDING AND YOU OWNED YOUR BUILDING, YOU WOULD DO THAT. YOU WOULD BUDGET FOR THOSE THOSE REPLACEMENTS.
AND IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY BOND PROGRAM DOLLARS EVERY YEAR, WE'VE SET ASIDE MONEY THROUGH MAJOR MAINTENANCE, AND THAT'S BASED ON SALE OF REAL ESTATE ASSETS.
AND WE'VE KIND OF DISCUSSED THAT WITH THE CITY COUNCIL BEFORE.
AND MAYBE THE LAST TEN PLUS YEARS, IT'S RANGE ANYWHERE FROM 8 MILLION TO 15 MILLION AS OF RECENTLY.
BUT THAT'S TO COVER MORE THAN 500 PLUS BUILDINGS WHERE OVER THE YEARS WE'VE REALLY FOCUSED ON ON PUBLIC SAFETY ASSETS, OUR FIRE STATIONS, JACK EVANS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND WE PRIORITIZE THOSE PARTICULAR BUILDINGS, INCLUDING THOSE LIKE THE LIBRARIES AND THE RECREATION CENTERS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE HAVE TAKEN GREATER PRIORITY THAN CITY HALL IN PARTICULAR.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE FOCUS OUTSIDE OF THIS BUILDING TO ALL OF THOSE SPACES.
BUT THAT IMPACT THAT MINDSET THAT JUST THAT SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES THAT SETS ALL OF THIS UP AND SETS THESE DECISIONS IN MOTION ARE NOT GOING AWAY. AND SO MY CONCERN IS NO MATTER WHAT WE DO WHICH, WHICH WHICHEVER DIRECTION WE HAD WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE HOW WE PRIORITIZE THE SPACE WE OFFICE IN.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO BE CRITICAL.
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SO, SO TO YOUR LARGER POINT, AND I LOVE THIS QUESTION BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT THIS OFTEN ON MY SIDE OF THE FENCE.YOU EITHER WE BUDGET FOR MAJOR MAINTENANCE. LET'S JUST PUT IT THAT WAY.
WE DO. THERE'S NO NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS THAT IT'S MORE OF A REACTIVE NATURE.
SO WE MAY HAVE SOME PATCHWORK THAT WE MAY DO AT A PARTICULAR LOCATION UNTIL SUCH A TIME THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY CYCLE IT THROUGH AND PLAN A YEAR IN ADVANCE AFTER A FAILURES HAPPENED. RIGHT. AND THAT'S THE CYCLE THAT WE'RE RUNNING THROUGH BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT MANY MORE EXPONENTIAL FAILURES COMPARED TO THE ACTUAL ANNUAL BUDGET THAT WE HAVE. AND AGAIN, VERY REACTIVE, VERY LITTLE PROACTIVE WORK.
I SEE THAT, ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO EMPHASIZE TO MY COLLEAGUES THAT THE IMPORTANCE OF WHERE OUR DOLLARS ARE SPENT AND HOW WE MAKE THOSE DECISIONS, AND THERE REALLY ISN'T ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE FACT THAT WE HAVE FOCUSED OUTSIDE OF THIS BUILDING, THAT THAT'S A GOOD THING IN MANY, MANY WAYS. IT'S IMPROVING THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
IT'S BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE TO OUR RESIDENTS.
BUT THERE'S BEEN A HUGE COST WITH THAT. AND THAT IS I MEAN, IT'S IT IS A HUGE COST.
SO JUST WANTED TO FRAME IT THAT WAY. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR YOUR HELP, DENZEL.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CHAIR. WE'LL GO DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, THEN I'M GOING TO GO DOWN THIS WAY.
THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU, MISS MCMAHON. AND THE THE TEAM YOU'VE ASSEMBLED TO DO THIS.
YOU ALL REALLY HIT THE GROUND RUNNING. I KNOW YOU SPENT HOLIDAY TIME MULTIPLE HOURS HERE.
YOU'VE PUT TOGETHER A HIGHLY REPUTABLE GROUP OF FIRMS THAT ARE REALLY TOP IN THEIR INDUSTRY, AND IN FACT, THEY'RE USING INDUSTRY STANDARDS.
I THINK YOU POINTED OUT INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS SO THAT WE CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE AND CONFIDENT, BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A BIG DECISION. SO THANK YOU FOR GETTING ON THIS AND COMING FORTH WITH SOMETHING SO COMPLETE TODAY, AS COMPLETE AS IT CAN BE. THE NEXT THING I WANT TO SAY IS THAT THE EXIT STAIRS ARE OVER TO THE LEFT.
SO IF YOU NEED TO EXIT IN CASE OF FIRE THAT'S WHERE THEY ARE.
AND IF YOU CAN'T GET TO THE STAIRS, I GUESS, REMEMBER TO STOP, DROP AND ROLL.
AND I BRING THIS UP BECAUSE ON PAGE 34 I THINK OF THE I'M NOT SURE WHICH DECK IT WAS FIRE SUPPRESSION, ORIGINAL OR NEAR END OF SERVICE LIFE. FLOORS ONE THROUGH SIX DO NOT MEET CURRENT STANDARDS.
SOME FIRE SUPPRESSION MODERNIZATION OCCURRED, BUT IT'S NOW OBSOLETE.
AND THERE ARE RECURRING NUISANCE ALARMS GOING OFF, WHICH REALLY BOTHERS ME BECAUSE WHEN IT'S GOING OFF ALL THE TIME, PEOPLE START TO TUNE IT OUT AND THEY WON'T KNOW WHEN IT'S REAL. SO IT'S IT SEEMS LIKE DOING SOMETHING PIECEMEAL AROUND FIRE SUPPRESSION.
I DON'T KNOW, MR. GIBSON, IF THAT'S SOMETHING FOR YOU TO TALK TO OR ANYONE ELSE.
BUT WE HAVE TO TACKLE THIS. ALL OF IT. SO I WOULD TELL YOU THAT SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS BUILDING, THE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THIS BUILDING, INCLUDING MYSELF, THERE'S NOT A DISREGARD FOR THAT.
THIS BUILDING IS NOT GOING TO FALL ON THE TOP OF OUR HEAD, AT LEAST, HOPEFULLY NOT TODAY.
BUT BUT THAT BEING SAID JOHN JOHNSON, OUR DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES AND REAL ESTATE MANAGEMENT, THEY'RE VERY RESPONSIVE TO LIFE SAFETY TYPE NEEDS AND FIRE SUPPRESSION.
OBVIOUSLY, BEING AT THE TOP OF THAT, I THINK WHAT'S BEING DESCRIBED HERE IS THE FACT THAT THERE'S A LOT OF THE ORIGINAL SYSTEMS HERE THAT DON'T MEET TODAY'S STANDARDS AND CODE, WHICH IN MANY WAYS DOESN'T PROVIDE THE SAME AMOUNT OF ELEVATED PROTECTION THAT YOU WOULD GET IN A NEWER FACILITY.
AND I REALLY THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS IS REALLY TRYING TO TO POINT AT.
IT TALKS ABOUT I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT THIS AS CITY HALL STILL STANDING.
IT'S FINE. STRUCTURALLY IT'S FINE. YEAH. NO WIDESPREAD FAILURES THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.
BUT LOCALIZED CRACKING AND INTERFACE, INCREASED NEED FOR ONGOING INSPECTION.
SO WE'VE GOT TO WATCH IT. BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN INTERESTING LITTLE MICROCOSM FOR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, IS THAT THE EXTERIOR WALLS ARE OKAY. THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE SEE.
SO IT'S NOT SO MUCH ABOUT ALL OF THAT. IT'S WHAT'S GOING ON INSIDE HERE AND THAT IS VERY REVEALING.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION. I MEAN, WHEN I TALKED TO JOHN JOHNSON, WHO'S OUR FACILITIES MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR, HE SAID THE CITY HAS BEEN BUDGETING FOR FAILURE AND EMERGENCY.
AND SO THAT IS A RUNG BELOW SOME OF THE OTHER WORDS THAT ARE IN THESE REPORTS AND THAT IS CORROSION DEGRADATION, DETERIORATION AND DAMAGE. SO I'M LOOKING AT ON PAGE 36 OF THE I THINK THE OVERALL REPORT, IT TALKED
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ABOUT WATER INTRUSION AS SYSTEMIC VERSUS ISOLATED REFLECTING ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION DETAIL.SO I'VE LOOKED AT OTHER PEI BUILDINGS. I MEAN, YOU CAN GO OUT AND FIND EVERSON MUSEUM OF ART NSF, NCAR, MESA LABORATORY, JFK MUSEUM, NEW COLLEGE OF FLORIDA WATER INFILTRATION AND LEAKS.
I MEAN, EVERYONE IS HAVING TO GO BACK AND FIX THIS.
I MEAN, IS THIS BUILDING EVER GOING TO BE WITHOUT THAT ISSUE? CAN ANYONE I DON'T KNOW. I'M LOOKING AT YOU, AECOM.
I'M NOT SURE THAT'S AN EASY QUESTION TO ANSWER.
OBVIOUSLY, OUR RECOMMENDATION LOOKS AT REPAIRING MANY OF THOSE SYSTEMS. I THINK THE PROBLEMS YOU'RE ALLUDING TO ARE QUITE COMMON IN BUILDINGS OF THIS AGE AND OF THIS CONSTRUCTION METHOD, AND ALL WE CAN SAY, REALLY, FROM OUR WORK IS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED A LOT OF THE VISIBLE AREAS THAT WE THINK CAN BE IMPROVED AND REPAIRED.
BUT AS TO WHETHER WE CAN TRULY FIX THOSE PROBLEMS, I THINK THAT'S DIFFICULT TO SAY.
OTHERWISE, ACKNOWLEDGING THAT BUILDINGS THAT ARE CONSTRUCTED IN THIS MANNER FREQUENTLY SUFFER THESE SORTS OF PROBLEMS, AND ALSO THAT SO MANY SYSTEMS ARE ENCASED. HOW DO HOW DO HAVE OTHERS ADDRESS THAT? I MEAN, HOW DO YOU BEGIN TO DO THAT? AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ASBESTOS.
I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE IT OPENS A CAN OF WORMS. SURE. FOR BUILDINGS THAT ARE DESIGNED IN THE STYLE, OFTENTIMES THE ETHOS IS WORKING AROUND THE WALLS RATHER THAN WORKING IN THE WALLS BECAUSE OF THE INVASIVE NATURE THAT WOULD LIKELY BE REQUIRED TO REPAIR SOME OF THESE SYSTEMS. NOW, NOT EVERYTHING IS ENCASED, BUT MANY OF THE SYSTEMS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE ENCASED IN CONCRETE.
AND BECAUSE IT IS DIFFICULT AND REQUIRES SPECIALIZED ENGINEERING TO WORK WITHIN THESE WALLS, OFTENTIMES THE CASE HAS BEEN TO WORK AROUND THE ISSUES, WORK ON THE WALLS THEMSELVES RATHER THAN INSIDE.
THAT'S REALLY ALL YOU CAN DO IN THIS SITUATION.
SO WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT WE WOULD GET IN AND FIND.
IS THERE ANYTHING BASED ON THE HISTORY OF ISSUES THAT OTHER PEI BUILDINGS HAVE HAD THAT ARE OF A SIMILAR DESIGN WHERE YOU CAN HELP US GET TOWARD WHAT THAT NUMBER MIGHT BE, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE OUT THERE THAT I FEEL LIKE IF WE'RE REALLY GOING TO UNDERTAKE THIS, WE WOULD NEED TO PREPARE FOR. DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF WHAT A RANGE COULD BE OR PERCENTAGE? I'LL PASS THIS QUESTION TO MY COLLEAGUES ONLINE WHO LEAD OUR FCA TEAM, BUT I WILL ADDRESS IT SOMEWHAT BY SAYING THE WAY WE'VE BUILT OUR COST ESTIMATES ASSUMES THAT THESE SYSTEMS ARE NEEDING A REPLACEMENT REGARDLESS.
SO IN SOME WAYS, WE'RE COSTING THE SYSTEM REPLACEMENT.
BUT REGARDLESS, OUR COST ESTIMATE ASSUMES THE SYSTEM REPLACEMENT.
BUT WITH THAT CURT, IF YOU'RE ONLINE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD IN OR CHIME IN ON ANYTHING? I DON'T SEE ANYBODY. PER. DO YOU WANT TO COME BACK TO THAT? YEAH, WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT. IN THE INTEREST OF TIME.
AND I THINK THAT GIVEN THE CONCERNS OF WHAT COULD BE EXPOSED, I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC, WE DON'T WANT STAFF EXPOSED TO WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY OCCUR.
SO I JUST DON'T SEE HOW YOU COULD DO IT ANY OTHER WAY.
BUT YOU'LL SEE IN OUR SLIDES IT'S DATED 2028 ALREADY, BUT EVEN 2028.
SO I THINK THE ANSWER IS NO. WE NEED WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW MORE OF WHERE THAT COULD GO.
THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. NOW LET ME SWITCH TO CORGAN.
I BELIEVE THAT INTERIOR'S NUMBER ON THIS SLIDE, IT'S 54 MILLION TO 107.
WHAT IS THAT WHAT DOES THAT ENTAIL? IS THAT FINISH OUT.
CORGAN DID NOT DO THE COST ESTIMATING THAT WILL BE FOR CBRE.
OKAY CBRE SORRY ABOUT THAT. WOULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION ONE MORE TIME? WELL, THERE'S A LINE ITEM FOR INTERIORS OF 54 MILLION TO 107 MILLION.
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SO I JUST INSTEAD OF I'D LIKE TO TRY TO DRILL INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.YEAH, SURE. SO THERE'S TWO THINGS GOING ON THERE.
ONE IS THE DATA WE COLLECT FROM ALL OF OUR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT WE MANAGE ON BEHALF OF CLIENTS, SPECIFICALLY EXECUTING INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS ACROSS GREATER DFW.
SO THAT'S ONE DATA SET. THE SECOND DATA SET IS OUR NATIONAL TRACKING ON LOW, MEDIUM, HIGH COSTS FOR ANY INTERIOR MODERNIZATION THAT OCCURS FOR A CLIENT. SO THOSE NUMBERS ARE PREDICATED ON A DEEP DATA SET THAT SHOWS VERY REAL COMPS FROM 2025.
I WOULD LIKE TO DETAIL WHAT WHAT WHAT IS INTERIORS.
IS IT FINISH OUT BATHROOMS I MEAN PUT IT IN THE TERMS OF YEAH IT'S IT'S ALL THOSE THINGS.
IT'S YOUR OFFICE FIT OUT. IT IS YOUR INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS.
IT IS ALL THE TECHNOLOGIES IN THERE. AND THE FURNITURE, FIXTURES, EQUIPMENT IS IN THERE.
AUDIO VISUAL ARE ALL THOSE COMPONENTS IN THAT COST ESTIMATE.
SO THE RECONFIGURATION OF WORKSPACES THAT ARE MORE IN LINE WITH.
AND TO EXPOUND ON THAT, WE TOOK THE CORGAN REPORT, WHICH IS THAT ME POPPING? SORRY ABOUT THAT. WE TOOK THE MORGAN REPORT, WHICH OUTLINES THE NEW WAY TO WORK IN A MORE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE MANNER.
OKAY, THAT THAT MOVES YOU TO A 2025 WORKPLACE STANDARD.
FOR EXAMPLE, YOU ALL ARE SEVERELY UNDER ALLOCATED ON MEETING SPACES.
SO THIS CORRECTS TO A CORRECT RATIO FOR MODERN OFFICE BUILDINGS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WAS COSTED. OKAY. SO JUST EFFICIENT WORKPLACE THAT WOULD.
YES MA'AM. WITH TODAY. OKAY. WOULDN'T THAT BE LOVELY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR. I'M GOING TO GO TO CHAIRMAN JOHNSON NEXT.
CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO PASS FOR RIGHT NOW.
OKAY. WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU.
CHAIR. FIRST, I WANT TO REMIND RESIDENTS, BUSINESS OWNERS OR BUSINESS COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS THAT ON MARCH 2ND, MY COMMITTEE, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, WILL BE HOSTING A MEETING, INCLUDING A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WE INVITE EVERYONE TO JOIN US. I BELIEVE WHEN GOOD GOOD GOVERNANCE IS DONE, WHEN WE GIVE THE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE FEEDBACK AND TO ASK QUESTIONS, I BELIEVE WE REALLY ONLY HAVE TWO OPTIONS BEFORE US TO FULLY GUT AND RENOVATE THE BUILDING ALL AT ONCE, OR RELOCATE ENTIRELY. PHASING REPAIRS WHILE STAFF CONTINUE THEIR DAY TO DAY WORK WOULD BE DISRUPTIVE, INEFFICIENT AND UNFAIR TO OUR STAFF AND RESIDENTS.
IT WOULD ALSO DRIVE UP COSTS AND SIGNIFICANTLY EXTEND THE TIMELINE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HEAR FROM RESIDENTS RIGHT NOW IS THE THE NUMBERS, THE SHOCK OF $1 BILLION, RIGHT. AND SO BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, I WANT CLARITY AND VALIDATION ON THE TEAM BEHIND THE DALLAS CITY HALL ASSESSMENT.
HOW WERE THEY SELECTED? WHAT ARE THEIR CREDENTIALS, SEALS OR INDEPENDENT VALIDATIONS TO SUPPORT THEIR WORK? THESE ARE ALL VERY RESPECTED FIRMS WITH STRONG REPUTATIONS ON THE LINE, BUT WE STILL HAVE A DUTY.
TO VERIFY THE NUMBERS. HOW DO WE KNOW THE COST ESTIMATES ARE ACCURATE AND NOT INFLATED? DO THE TEAMS HAVE SUFFICIENT TIME TO DO THEIR TO DO THEIR WORK AND THEIR SCOPE OF WORK? AND SHOULD WE SEEK ADDITIONAL EXPERTS OR SECOND OR THIRD OPINIONS TO ENSURE THAT WE GOT THIS RIGHT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION. LINDA MCMAHON WITH THE DALLAS EDC, WE ACTUALLY WENT BACK, FIRST OF ALL, TO AECOM SINCE THEY DID THE 2018 ASSESSMENT TO ASK THEM TO JOIN IN TERMS OF GOING THROUGH AN ADDITIONAL ASSESSMENT. BUT WHEN WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THE NEEDS RELATING TO THE BUILDING.
DAVE SCHMIDT, THE PRINCIPAL OF SCHMIDT AND STACY IS SOMEONE I'VE KNOWN FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS.
HIS BUSINESS IS HIGHLY REGARDED, AND HE WAS RECOMMENDED BY SHAUN TODD BECAUSE SHAUN HAS USED HIS FIRM FOR A LOT OF RENOVATIONS OF BUILDINGS, THAT HE'S HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND OLDER BUILDINGS IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS.
ADDITIONALLY, HE RECOMMENDED URBAN STRUCTURE.
AGAIN, A STRUCTURAL FIRM ENGINEERING FIRM THAT SPECIALIZES IN THESE TYPES OF BUILDINGS AS WELL.
SO WE FELT THAT WAS IMPORTANT THAT WE USED PEOPLE THAT HAD EXPERIENCE WITH OLDER BUILDINGS, AS WELL AS PEOPLE THAT ARE WELL KNOWN AND AND HAVE GREAT REPUTATIONS IN TERMS OF THE INDUSTRY.
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SO WE ADDED THEM TO THE TEAM. AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY RECOMMENDED COLIN MURPHY, WHO HE HAD KNOWLEDGE OF AND HAD WORKED WITH BEFORE AND RECOMMENDED HIM TO ACTUALLY WORK ON THE WATER INFILTRATION PART OF THE INSPECTION.YOU KNOW, I ONLY KNOW HIM THROUGH THAT RECOMMENDATION, BUT I HOLD THAT RECOMMENDATION A HIGH REGARD.
WE CONTACTED HIM. HE HE ACTUALLY WAS ABLE TO FIGURE OUT HIS SCHEDULE.
PART OF IT WAS OF SCHEDULING ISSUE. WHO IS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS WORK OVER THE HOLIDAYS? AND CAN THEY COMPLETE THE TASK WITHIN THE TIME FRAME THAT WE HAD? BECAUSE IT WAS A VERY SHORT TIME FRAME. EVERY SINGLE FIRM AND HAD SAID THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THIS UNDER THE STANDARDS THAT ARE ACCEPTABLE UNDER FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENTS. I FEEL THE NAMES OF THE COMPANIES THAT WE HAVE HERE ARE EXTREMELY WELL KNOWN GLOBAL FIRMS WITH IMPECCABLE REPUTATIONS, AND THE PEOPLE THAT THEY BROUGHT TO BEAR ARE, WELL, THE THE AECOM HAS KNOWLEDGE OF THE BUILDING.
SO THEY ACTUALLY KNEW EXACTLY WHAT THE ISSUES WERE.
AND THEN IN THE CASE OF COLIN MURPHY, HE HAS HAD EXPERIENCE WITH I.M.
WATER INFILTRATION IS JUST PART OF THE PROBLEM.
AND A LOT OF THOSE BUILDINGS, INCLUDING SIGNIFICANT BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN WASHINGTON, D.C.
ADDITIONALLY, WE BROUGHT IN SOMEONE WHO COULD DO ACCESSIBILITY.
IN MOST CASES, AND BECAUSE WE ARE NOT THE CITY, WE ARE ABLE TO PROCURE THESE SERVICES WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH AN EXTENSIVE RFP PROCESS. SO THAT WAS OUR ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO DELIVER THE WORK IN A TIMELY FASHION UNDER THE TERMS UNDER WHICH THE CITY COUNCIL HAD DIRECTED.
SO I FEEL VERY, VERY CONFIDENT IN THE QUALIFICATIONS OF OUR TEAM.
I THINK I WOULD PUT THIS TEAM UP AGAINST ANY TEAM IN A FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT.
THEY'VE WORKED EXTREMELY HARD. THEY'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN THIS BUILDING.
THAT'S HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. THANK YOU.
AND SO WHETHER IT'S THIS BUILDING THAT WE INVEST IN OR DECIDE TO GO IN A DIFFERENT PATH.
DID YOUR TEAM LOOK AT HOW WE AVOID BEING IN THE SAME SITUATION 40, 50 YEARS FROM NOW WITH HUGE INVESTMENTS IN MAKING SURE AND THIS IS PROBABLY MORE FOR DONZELL ON OUR ABILITY TO BUDGET ACCURATELY, TO HAVE A MAINTENANCE FUND TO NOT ONLY ADDRESS ISSUES WHEN THEY'RE FAILING, BUT EXTENDING THE LIFE OF, OF THE WHETHER IT'S OUR SUPPRESSION SYSTEM, WHETHER IT'S OUR ELECTRICAL SYSTEM, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO DIFFERENTLY MOVING FORWARD IN ORDER TO NOT BE IN THE SITUATION DECADES DOWN THE ROAD? SO I'M GOING TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION TWOFOLD, BECAUSE IT'S REPRESENTED IN THIS BRIEFING IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.
ONE, CBRE, WHEN THEY MADE THE PROJECTION FOR THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE STAY VERSUS OTHER POTENTIAL OPTIONS, THEY INCLUDED WAS MORE OF AN INDUSTRY STANDARD WOULD BE TO TAKE CARE OF THE BUILDING.
SO THAT'S IN THE FORECASTED NUMBERS. ALSO AS A PART OF THIS PROCESS, AS WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THIS WITH OUR BUDGET OFFICE, WITH OUR CFO IN PARTICULAR, AND WE BROUGHT IN TO, TO COUNCIL MEETINGS BEFORE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO FUND MAJOR MAINTENANCE MOVING FORWARD, OR O&M ASSOCIATED WITH TAKING CARE OF BUILDINGS LIKE THIS.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING DURING THE BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS THIS YEAR, IS TAKING ANOTHER LOOK AT HOW WE CONTINUE TO ADDRESS THIS, MAYBE NOT WITH ONE FELL SWOOP, BUT THE CITY MANAGER IN THE LAST YEAR SAID THAT WE WOULD HAVE A STAGGERED PLAN OVER MULTIPLE YEARS TO GET US CLOSER TO AN INDUSTRY STANDARD, TO TAKE CARE OF THIS BUILDING AND OTHER CITY FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE.
SO BUT HELP ME UNDERSTAND, WHY CAN'T WE JUST GO IN AND REPLACE SEALS, ADD TINTING TO BE MORE CONDUCIVE TO TODAY'S STANDARDS? SURE. OUR ASSESSMENT DOESN'T LOOK AT NECESSARILY AD HOC FIXES. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THAT THE OVERALL LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THE WINDOW SYSTEMS ARE AGED.
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SO FOLLOWING THE ASTM PROCESS, WHAT THAT TELLS US IS THAT THE RISK INCREASES AS THESE SYSTEMS GO BEYOND THEIR EXPECTED LIFE CYCLE.IT JUST MEANS THAT DUE TO THE INFORMATION WE HAVE AND THE STANDARD INDUSTRY PROCESSES AND EXPECTATIONS, IS THAT THESE SYSTEMS WARRANT A LOOK AT REPLACEMENT ON A SYSTEMS LEVEL, AND WE'VE COSTED IT AS SUCH.
THANK YOU. SO CONTINUING ON THAT IN THE CLIMATE CONTROL OF THE BUILDING, WE CAN BE IN ONE OFFICE ON ONE FLOOR AND ACROSS ON THE EAST SIDE ON THE VERY SAME FLOOR. AND THE TEMPERATURE VARIES DRAMATICALLY, WHETHER THAT'S WINDOWS WE'RE FACING THE WEST OR CLIMATE CONTROL THAT WE CAN'T CONTROL BY ZONING. AND SO IF WE WERE TO UPGRADE THE HVAC SYSTEMS HERE AT CURRENT CITY HALL, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO DO THAT? SO THAT IT IS CONTROLLED ZONE BY ZONE AS OPPOSED, IT SEEMS LIKE CURRENTLY WE HAVE TO.
IT'S ONE TEMPERATURE FOR THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
SURE. THE ASSUMPTION IN OUR WORK IS THAT THE HVAC SYSTEM IS AGED.
IT DOES CONTRIBUTE TO THE DISCOMFORT THAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM CITY STAFF IN THE BUILDING.
ASSUMING THE COST ESTIMATE INCLUDES THE ENTIRE SYSTEM REPLACEMENT, AS WE RECOMMENDED.
JOHN SCOTT CAMP WITH SCHMIDT AND STACEY. ENGINEERS.
I'M A MECHANICAL ENGINEER. YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT.
FOR THE BUDGET THAT WAS PROVIDED BY AECOM. THE RESOLUTION OF THE COMFORT COMPLAINTS WOULD BE DONE.
AND IT HASN'T BEEN MADE ANY BETTER OVER THE YEARS BY VARIOUS UPGRADES AND PARTITIONING OF THE SPACE. THANK YOU. JUST GOING BACK TO THE THE FIGURES ON THE ESTIMATES I CAN'T RECALL IF IT'S AA OR AA USING THOSE STANDARDS, CAN WE LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THOSE PRACTICES ARE AND HOW WE COME UP TO THOSE ESTIMATES? I THINK THAT'S YOU. YES. MY COLLEAGUE ONLINE, WHO HELPS LEAD OUR FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT TEAM AND OUR COSTING TEAM CAN CHIME IN ON THE ANSWER. IN THEORY, THEY'VE BEEN UNMUTED.
CURT, CAN YOU CHIME IN HERE? MAYBE THE.
AND. IT'S OKAY. YEAH. OUR TEAM IS ONLINE, BUT THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE UNABLE TO SPEAK.
NO WORRIES. WE CAN. WE CAN IF WE CAN GET THAT QUESTION.
AT A LATER TIME. DURING THE. EVALUATION OF THE BUILDING.
WHAT WAS THE MOST CRITICAL FAILURE WHEN IT COMES TO THE HVAC? THE ELECTRICAL? WHAT WAS THE MOST CRITICAL FAILURE THAT WE FOUND? THE THREE SYSTEMS THAT I THINK OUR TEAM IS THE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT IS ONE IS ACTUALLY THE POWER GENERATION SYSTEM.
THE SECOND IS THE WATER INTRUSION AND THE THIRD IS THE ROOF.
IF WE DON'T ADDRESS THOSE WATER INFILTRATION SYSTEMS, DO WE CARRY ANY RISK TEN, 15 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD? IF NOT ADDRESSED TODAY. COLIN MURPHY, ARE YOU ON? I SEE, I SEE, KURT. KURT IS NOW ON. KURT, CAN YOU TRY AND CHIME IN THERE? SEE IF YOUR AUDIO WORKS, PLEASE.
SO WHILE WE'RE WORKING ON THAT, I WILL SAY OUR REPORT DOES OUTLINE THAT.
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THE EXPECTATION IS THAT EXPOSURE TO MOISTURE AND THE WATER INTRUSION ISSUES DOES CAUSE CONCERN IN THOSE LOCALIZED AREAS IN THE BUILDING WHERE WE ARE SEEING DAMAGE. SO YES, WE WOULD EXPECT THAT TO BE AN INCREASED RISK FACTOR TO THE DEGREE THAT WE CAN'T NECESSARILY CALCULATE THAT TODAY.BUT YES, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT IS AN AREA OF RISK.
SO I REALLY VALUE THIS TEAM THAT'S BEFORE US.
I KNOW THAT WHEN MY WIFE'S ASKING US TO DO A HOME REPAIR PROJECT AT HOME, I DON'T GO OUT AND TACKLE IT MYSELF TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADDRESS SOMETHING FROM A STRUCTURAL STANDPOINT TO COSTING IT OUT.
AND SO LINDA, THANK YOU FOR SETTING THIS TEAM UP, I APPRECIATE IT.
MY PLEASURE. THANK YOU. RIGHT ON TIME. THANK YOU.
MAYOR PRO TEM COUNCILMEMBER RESENDEZ FOR FIVE MINUTES.
AT THE TIME, I DID NOT FULLY APPRECIATE THE ARCHITECTURAL VISION BEHIND IT.
BUT AS THE PROCESS HAS UNFOLDED AND AS I AS I'VE LISTENED TO RESIDENTS, PRESERVATIONISTS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS, I'VE GAINED A DEEPER APPRECIATION FOR THE BUILDING ITSELF AND THE SURROUNDING LAND.
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE CAN DO IS PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE PROCESS.
I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT THE CHARGE WAS. IN TERMS OF EVALUATING ALL OPTIONS.
WAS IT WAS IT FOR IT TO BE DONE NEUTRALLY? ABSOLUTELY.
THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.
I THINK THE INTENTION WELL, THE INTENTION IS WE ARE NOT HERE FOR MAKING A RECOMMENDATION.
WE ARE NOT HERE FOR TELLING YOU WHAT TO DO. WE ARE HERE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH INFORMATION FROM QUALIFIED EXPERTS THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO EXAMINE THESE SYSTEMS. I'VE LEARNED A LOT OF WORDS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS FROM ENGINEERS, BECAUSE I'M NOT ANY OF THOSE THINGS EITHER, BUT I FEEL VERY STRONG AND VERY CONFIDENT IN THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE.
IT'S BEEN SERIOUS AND TAKEN SERIOUSLY WITH UNDERSTANDING THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS BUILDING.
SO THERE IS NO INTENTION OF SHADING THE INFORMATION OR PROVIDING ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE FACTS RELATED TO THE CONDITION OF THE BUILDING, AND IT IS YOUR CALL AS TO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO REGARDING THAT, THAT INFORMATION.
SO AT THE OUTSET OF THE ENGAGEMENT WERE YOU GIVEN ANY DIRECTION OR PREFERENCE REGARDING RENOVATION VERSUS RELOCATION? NO, NONE AT ALL. I CAN TELL YOU HONESTLY, THE CONVERSATION AROUND WHAT WE HAVE TO DO WAS ONLY ABOUT THE FACILITY ASSESSMENT AND REAL ESTATE OPTIONS WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH, EVEN WITHIN THIS GROUP, ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO CITY HALL ONCE YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION.
THAT HAS NOT BEEN PART OF OUR CHARGE. IT'S NOT PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD.
IT HAS ONLY BEEN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE YOU WITH THE INFORMATION FROM QUALIFIED EXPERTS FOLLOWING STANDARD PROCESSES AND ACCEPTED STANDARDS, THAT YOU CAN THEN MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHAT YOU THINK IS THE RIGHT THING FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.
DID ANYONE FROM THE CITY OR OUTSIDE PARTIES ATTEMPT TO INFLUENCE YOUR CONCLUSIONS? NO, NOT AT ALL. SO IF OTHER QUALIFIED FIRMS REVIEWED YOUR WORK, WOULD YOU EXPECT MATERIALLY SIMILAR CONCLUSIONS? I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT THIS TEAM IS HIGHLY RESPECTED.
WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ASSEMBLE. THESE INDIVIDUALS HAVE BEEN ON SITE.
BETWEEN THE CONVERSATIONS THAT THE CORGAN HAS TEAM HAS HAD WITH THE CITY STAFF IN TERMS OF THE SPACE PLANNING, HOW THINGS SHOULD WORK IN TERMS OF A TYPICAL MODERN WORKFLOW WORKSPACE, ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN JUST SEEKING INFORMATION, BUT NO ONE ON THE CITY STAFF HAS HAD ANY INFLUENCE AT ALL, OR HAS MADE ANY COMMENTS CANDIDLY ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE OF CITY HALL WILL BE.
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AND I FEEL LIKE WE'VE DELIVERED ON THAT. IS THERE A AN UNDERSTANDING AND RESPECTFUL WAY THAT YOU ALL CAN ADDRESS THE CONCERNS AND STATEMENTS THAT I'VE SEEN RELATED TO, TO COSTS BEING INFLATED AND ABSURD? I'VE SEEN THAT. I DID NOT I DECIDED NOT TO GO DOWN THAT RABBIT HOLE ON SOCIAL MEDIA OVER THE WEEKEND.BUT I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THINGS COST.
I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE WITH A BIG COMMERCIAL BUILDING LIKE THIS, BUT I CAN HONESTLY SAY, WHEN YOU'RE STANDING IN A BUILDING THAT'S GOT CONCRETE WALLS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO FIX THINGS THAT ARE WITHIN THE WALLS.
SO I HAVE I, WHILE I RESPECT PEOPLE, HAVE AN OPINION, IT IS NOT RELEVANT TO THIS BECAUSE I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT IN THE NUMBERS THAT WE PROVIDED THAT HAVE BEEN REALLY A LOT OF CONVERSATION.
THIS HASN'T BEEN ACCOM DOING THEIR WORK IN A VACUUM.
COLIN MURPHY DOING HIS WORK IN A VACUUM. YOU KNOW, THE FOLKS FROM STACEY.
ET CETERA. EVERYONE HAS CONTRIBUTED AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CROSS COLLABORATION, A LOT OF CROSS DISCUSSION AND DISCUSSIONS AMONG THOSE TEAMS. SO HAVING THE FACT THAT EVERYONE CONTRIBUTED IN THEIR OWN WAY.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAD HONEST CONVERSATIONS ACROSS THE TEAMS, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, DETERMINING WHAT ESTIMATES ARE CORRECT AND HAVING PEOPLE MAKING THOSE ESTIMATES IN TERMS OF WHAT IT WOULD COST TO REPAIR.
I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT WE'VE GIVEN YOU THE PRODUCT THAT WE HAD INTENDED TO DELIVER, WHICH IS A FAIR AND TRANSPARENT AND HONEST ASSESSMENT OF THE CONDITION OF THE BUILDING, AS WELL AS WHAT THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH REPAIRING THE BUILDING.
WAS THERE A PHASED RENOVATION SCENARIO ANALYZED WHERE THE BUILDING REMAINS PARTIALLY OCCUPIED? THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. WE WE ACTUALLY I MEAN, WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS AS A GROUP ABOUT IS THIS POSSIBLE? HAVE WE SEEN THIS HAPPEN BEFORE? BUT, YOU KNOW, THE CBRE PEOPLE CAN CAN PETER CAN GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE COUNTY WENT THROUGH IN TERMS OF THEIR RENOVATION OF THEIR BUILDING.
THEY DID NOT DO AN INVASIVE. THEY THEY HAD TO MOVE OUT.
SO THE $329.4 MILLION IS BASED ON EVERYONE VACATING THE BUILDING.
BUT IF YOU CHOOSE THAT, THAT'S NOT THE PATH YOU WANT TO TAKE.
YOU CAN DO A PHASED APPROACH. BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IS THE DISRUPTION IN THE WORKFORCE OF JOHN JOHNSON HAS SAID WHEN THEY'VE DONE REPAIRS, THEY'VE HAD TO STOP REPAIRS DURING BUSINESS HOURS BECAUSE OF THE NOISE OR THE, YOU KNOW, INTERRUPTION OF PEOPLE'S WORKSPACE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT IS A DECISION THAT IS CLEARLY IN YOUR SPACE.
SO YOU MAY HAVE TO MOVE CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS OUT, MOVE THEM BACK IN.
I MEAN, ALL OF THAT IS ALL PART OF THE EQUATION THAT YOU HAVE TO DECIDE.
OKAY. AND THIS QUESTION MIGHT BE DIRECTED MORE TOWARDS YOU.
DONZELL. GIVEN THE MAGNITUDE OF THESE PROJECTED COSTS APPROACHING OR EXCEEDING $1 BILLION, WOULD STAFF SUPPORT OBTAINING AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW OF THE ASSESSMENT TO VALIDATE ASSUMPTIONS AND METHODOLOGY BEFORE FINAL POLICY DIRECTION IS GIVEN.
I WOULD TELL YOU THAT LINDA DIDN'T MENTION ME, AND THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE I TRIED TO CREATE A NO.
IT'S OKAY. I TRIED TO CREATE A FIREWALL BETWEEN LINDA AND MYSELF, BUT ONE OF THE THE CHARGES IN THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAD WITH THE EDC IS THAT WE WOULD EVALUATE WHO THE PEOPLE WERE ON THE TEAM TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE THINK THAT HAD A COMPLEMENT OF PEOPLE THAT COULD ACTUALLY DO THE WORK, DO IT WELL, COVER ALL THE AREAS, ESPECIALLY AS IT WAS OUTLINED IN THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU GUYS PASSED.
A LOT OF WORK WAS REQUIRED THERE, AND IN DOING SO, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME FOCUSING ON THE STUFF RELATIVE TO THIS BUILDING, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAD WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE CREDIBLE PEOPLE LOOKING AT, EVALUATING, MAKING SURE THAT THEY, IN MY MIND WERE GOING TO FOLLOW INDUSTRY STANDARDS.
THEY HAD SOME FAMILIARITY WITH CITY HALL, IT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING VERY NEW FOR THEM TO COME IN AND WALK THROUGH AND KIND OF UNDERSTAND AT SOME POINT WHERE WE WERE TEN YEARS AGO AND WHERE WE ARE TODAY. SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS A REALLY NICE FIT.
ALONG WITH CORGAN BEING FIRST CLASS AND CBRE, SOMEONE THAT WE ARE ALREADY UNDER CONTRACT WITH FOR OTHER SERVICES, IT JUST IT JUST MADE A LOT OF SENSE. AND THE OTHER TEAM MEMBERS THAT WERE HERE, WHETHER IT WAS SOMEBODY RECOMMENDED BY COUNCILMAN RIDLEY THAT FOUND A NICHE THAT WE NEEDED, SOMEBODY WHO COULD REALLY TAKE A HARD CORE LOOK AT WATER INFILTRATION.
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I THINK WE HAD A CLASS A TEAM, AND I LOOKED AT IT AND I SIGNED OFF ON IT, AS WELL.AS A PART OF MY RESPONSIBILITY ON THIS WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD A GOOD JOB.
AND I WOULD TELL YOU TO ANSWER YOUR BASIC QUESTION, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY FURTHER NEED FOR ANOTHER PARTY TO COME IN AND THEN DO ANOTHER LOOK AT PEOPLE WHO HAVE CERTIFICATES, WHO HAVE CREDENTIALS IN YEARS AND YEARS IN MAJOR CORPORATIONS, WHO DO THIS FOR OTHER PEOPLE OTHER THAN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AND WE'RE NOT THEIR FIRST TIME TO, YOU KNOW, TO DO THE WORK.
SO YOU FEEL THAT THE CREDIBILITY AND THE PEDIGREE OF THE GROUPS INVOLVED MAKES THE ASSESSMENT SUFFICIENTLY INDEPENDENT? ABSOLUTELY. THESE ALL THESE FOLKS ARE INDUSTRY LEADERS.
SO TO THOSE WHO PASSIONATELY SUPPORT PRESERVATION, I WANT TO SAY THAT I HEAR YOU.
I UNDERSTAND THAT CITY HALL CARRIES ARCHITECTURAL AND CIVIC SIGNIFICANCE.
IF THERE'S A FINANCIALLY SUSTAINABLE MODEL TO PRESERVE AND MODERNIZE THE BUILDING WITHOUT PLACING AN UNREASONABLE BURDEN ON TAXPAYERS, I'M OPEN TO IT. AT THE SAME TIME, I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE DEEPLY HELD VIEWS ON EVERY SIDE OF THIS ISSUE.
SOME PRIORITIZE ARCHITECTURAL LEGACY, OTHERS PRIORITIZE FISCAL EFFICIENCY.
OTHERS SEE BROADER ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. ALL THOSE PERSPECTIVES DESERVE RESPECT.
WHAT I CANNOT SUPPORT IS A DECISION DRIVEN SOLELY BY ANY SINGLE PERSPECTIVE, WHETHER EMOTIONAL, IDEOLOGICAL, FINANCIAL OR POLITICAL. THE NUMBERS, THE RISKS AND THE LONG TERM OBLIGATIONS MUST BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
TO THOSE WHO ARGUE, WE SHOULD MOVE ON FROM CITY HALL TO ACCELERATE DOWNTOWN MOMENTUM, PARTICULARLY CONSIDERING OUR CONVENTION CENTER INVESTMENT AND THE IMPORTANCE OF KEEPING AND ATTRACTING MAJOR CIVIC AND ECONOMIC ANCHORS TO THE CITY'S CORE.
I UNDERSTAND THE CASE YOU'RE MAKING, BUT THE PATH FORWARD MUST BE DISCIPLINED AND TRANSPARENT.
PUBLIC LAND MUST BE HELD IN A MANNER THAT REFLECTS PUBLIC VALUES.
MY RESPONSIBILITY IS TO THE TAXPAYERS OF DALLAS, ESPECIALLY THE RESIDENTS OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE HISTORICALLY RECEIVED LESS INVESTMENT AND FEWER RESOURCES. THIS THIS DECISION IS ABOUT STEWARDSHIP OF PUBLIC RESOURCES AND PRESERVATION OF PUBLIC TRUST.
WE OWE IT TO DALLAS TO GET IT RIGHT. THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THAT REGARDLESS OF WHERE WE ULTIMATELY LAND ON CITY HALL ITSELF, I BELIEVE IT'S PRUDENT FOR THE CITY TO CONTINUE ENGAGING THE MARKET, UNDERSTANDING WHAT OPPORTUNITIES EXIST AND WHAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS REALISTICALLY WILLING TO OFFER INFORMS OUR DECISION MAKING.
MARKETING ENGAGEMENT DOES NOT COMMIT US TO A PARTICULAR OUTCOME.
IT IT IT EQUIPS US WITH INFORMATION. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU, MR. RESENDEZ. CHAIRMAN GRACEY FOR FIVE MINUTES.
THANK YOU. I FORGOT I SHOULDN'T SIT RIGHT AFTER JAIME.
HE GOES HARD. LISTEN, THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS REPORT.
AND I DO WANT TO LIGHTEN THIS UP A LITTLE BIT. AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE I'VE BEEN ASKING EVERYBODY, BUT I WANT TO KNOW IF YOU CAN JUST EMAIL WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE AND GOT ALL YOUR EMAILS ABOUT SAVE CITY HALL, SEND ME AN EMAIL THAT SAYS WHAT SONG YOU WOULD USE TO SAVE CITY HALL.
JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY. IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO LIGHTEN THE LOAD. I THINK IT'LL BE SOMETHING INTERESTING TO LISTEN TO. AND I THINK AS WE HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS, I THINK IT WILL HELP US KIND OF HAVE A PERSPECTIVE THAT WE CAN APPRECIATE ABOUT SOMETHING AS SENSITIVE AS THIS.
SO WITH THAT SAID, I'LL SAY THIS. I'VE WORKED IN THIS BUILDING FOR 16, ALMOST 16 YEARS, BEEN IN THIS BUILDING WAY BACK IN THE DAY, BACK WHEN WE HAD THE ORANGE CARPET, ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS. AND I'VE BEEN THROUGH SEVERAL ITERATIONS OF US ATTEMPTING TO TRY TO BRING THIS THE OPERATIONS OF IT AND HOW WE FUNCTION UP TO UP TO DATE. FROM THERE AND I PERSONALLY AND I'VE SAID THIS AND I'VE MADE NO, NO SECRETS ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF WHAT MY POSITION IS, BUT I REMAIN OPEN BECAUSE I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT DOES IT COST IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, SOMETHING AS SERIOUS AS TRANSITIONING, I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE FROM THERE.
AND, AND WHICH IS WHERE I WANT TO START, BECAUSE WHEN WE ORIGINALLY PUT THIS OUT THERE, I THINK WE WERE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 345, 350 OR SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT ON THAT ORIGINAL PRESENTATION BASED ON HISTORIC DATA THAT YOU PROVIDED.
COME ON, MAN. YEAH, BUT BUT ANYWAY, MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I THINK, FOR CLARITY'S SAKE THAT HIT ME THAT I HAD TO ACTUALLY SPEND SOME TIME TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, TOO, WAS THE THE BRIEFING WE GAVE IN NOVEMBER GAVE A TEN YEAR TIME TIME TIME SHOT.
RIGHT. AND THEN THE BRIEFING WE'RE DOING TODAY IS ACTUALLY 20 YEARS.
AND THEN WHERE HE LANDED, I THINK THE MISS FROM THE NOVEMBER BRIEFING.
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WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF BIDDING OUT THE PLUMBING AND THEN MAKING SURE THAT THE PLUMBING DIDN'T DIDN'T MESS WITH THIS PART OF AV, AND THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO TURN THE WATER OFF IN THIS PART OF THE BUILDING, OR YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO TURN THE ELECTRICITY OFF. AND THIS PART OF THE BUILDING THAT WOULD DISRUPT AND THE SCHEDULING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, JUST THE WAY IT GOT DESCRIBED TO US THROUGH THIS PROCESS IS THAT IT WOULD BE ALMOST LIKE A MADHOUSE TRYING TO TRYING TO PULL THAT TOGETHER.THOSE WERE THE TWO BIG ROCKS IN MY MIND. THE TEN YEAR VERSUS THE 20 YEAR.
AND THEN THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TO MOVE AND THEN THERE'S NO, AS PETER WOULD SAY, MAYBE THERE'S NO MOVE IN READY SPACE THAT WE COULD JUST PLUG INTO AT HALF A MILLION OR SO SQUARE FEET. AND I WILL I WILL CONCUR WITH WHAT MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES SAID.
I BELIEVE THAT IS REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE MOVE OR WHETHER WE RENOVATE, I THINK IT IS IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN DO ALL OF THE RENOVATIONS WITHOUT DISRUPTIONS. SO I JUST ON THE RECORD SAYING, I THINK WHATEVER WE DO, WHETHER WE MOVE OR NOT, IF THIS BUILDING GETS RENOVATED, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE OUT OF THIS FACILITY SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GET THE RENOVATIONS DONE TO COMPLETION, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, IF WE TRY TO DO THIS IN A TRANSITION, Y'ALL, Y'ALL KNOW HOW WE GOING TO BE.
WE GOING TO KEEP KICKING IT DOWN THE ROAD I THINK THAT'S THE FAVORITE TERM. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP KICKING IT DOWN THE ROAD. WE'RE GOING TO DECIDE WELL NO WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT THIS YEAR. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT THIS YEAR. AND IN FACT WE ACTUALLY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY, I THINK, IN THE BOND THAT I THINK KATHY MENTIONED, WHERE WE HAD SOME DOLLARS ASSOCIATED WITHIN THE 2024 BOND PROGRAM AT ONE POINT AND IT GOT RE ALLOCATED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AS A BODY AND WE CHOSE NOT TO.
AND I JUST DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN AGAIN AS WE'RE TRYING TO RENOVATE.
IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WHETHER WE STAY OR NOT.
AND AGAIN, I REMAIN OPEN. I KNOW WHAT MY POSITION IS AND I'VE BEEN VERY OPEN ABOUT THAT.
BUT IF WE STAY, I THINK I WANT US TO GO ALL IN AND WE CAN'T KEEP TAP DANCING AROUND.
SO WE'RE SAYING CORRECTIVE REPAIRS. WHAT DOES THAT GET US? AND I'M KEEP ASKING THIS A MILLION TIMES, BUT CORRECTIVE REPAIRS? WHAT DOES THAT GET US FOR $329 MILLION? CORRECTIVE REPAIRS IS OUR TERM FOR EFFECTIVELY TAKING A LOOK AT THE DEFICIENT SYSTEM AND REPLACING IT WITH EFFECTIVELY THE SAME SYSTEM IN ORDER FOR THE BUILDING TO BE BASICALLY AS IT IS TODAY.
AND WHEN YOU SAY THAT DOES THAT, THAT'S REFERENCING ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE CANNOT SEE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO SO THEN THAT DOESN'T.
SO THAT'S JUST TO TO MAKE THE AIR WORK. RIGHT.
AND MAYBE GET SOME FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEMS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
OKAY. BUT THEN IN TERMS OF AGAIN GOING BACK TO THE FUNCTIONALITY WHEN I SAY THAT, JUST SO I'M TRYING TO GET THIS CLEAR, WHEN WE SAY CONDITION ASSESSMENT AND REPAIRS IN MY MIND, IS THAT A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE GOING TO ESSENTIALLY GET EVERYBODY OUT OF THIS BUILDING AND GO THROUGH HERE AND SCRAPE AND FIX EVERYTHING? IS THAT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THIS? 329 THE 329 WHAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT? YES, SIR. THAT WOULD INCLUDE REPLACING ALL THE SYSTEMS THAT WE'VE OUTLINED IN THE REPORT, THOSE HVAC SYSTEMS, THOSE ELECTRICAL, ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS AND OTHER ELEMENTS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED.
THOSE ARE THE SYSTEMS THAT WE HAVE COSTED FOR REPLACEMENT.
SO, SO REALISTICALLY, AND AGAIN, BECAUSE PEOPLE KEEP PUTTING THESE THESE NARRATIVES OUT THERE.
AND BY THE WAY, I DO WANT TO TAKE ONE MORE APPRECIATION.
AGAIN, BECAUSE I DID GO DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE OF FACEBOOK THIS WEEKEND.
THERE. AND BUT SOMEBODY ACTUALLY MADE A GREAT POINT THAT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE I ACKNOWLEDGE.
AND THAT WAS, AGAIN, I'M NOT ONE OF THOSE SENSITIVE, YOU KNOW, SENTIMENTAL KIND OF A PERSON, PER SE. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHE, THE COMMENTS SHE MADE WAS ABOUT THE PLAZA AND THAT PLACE FOR THEM TO GO AND GATHER.
AND SOME OF THOSE HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, GREAT MEMORIES.
SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN EMOTIONAL MEMORIES. SO IN THE SPIRIT OF JUST BEING SENSITIVE TO THAT, I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT PORTION OF THAT.
AND THOSE HAVE BEEN GREAT GATHERING SITES, WHETHER THEY'VE BEEN GOOD STORIES, BAD STORIES, THEY'RE MEMORABLE STORIES FOR THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS, SO I DON'T WANT TO TALK PAST THAT.
329 EVERYBODY SAYING, WELL, 329 WILL GET US EVERYTHING WE NEED TO FUNCTION.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ASK THIS WITHOUT LEADING YOU, BUT I THINK YOU JUST SAID IT.
329 JUST GETS US UPGRADED SYSTEMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT AFTER THAT, WE STILL GOT TO CLOSE ALL OF THOSE HOLES AND GET EVERYTHING CLEANED UP.
SO IT WOULD EFFECTIVELY BE REPLACING WINDOWS, REPLACING THE SYSTEMS AS THEY ARE TODAY.
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OKAY. OKAY. I THINK I MUST OH, ONE MORE TALK ABOUT L3.WHAT IS THAT IN THIS IN ANY OF THESE ASSESSMENTS? SO L3 IS A LOWER LEVEL PART OF THE BUILDING THAT IN THEORY WAS NEVER FINISHED OUT.
OKAY. AND IT'S MUCH LIKE THE FIRST OR SECOND LEVEL L1 OR L2.
I WAS TOLD BY URBAN LEGEND THAT AT ONE POINT IT WAS GOING TO BE KIND OF A PEDESTRIAN AREA WHERE THE LIGHT RAIL OR SOME OTHER KIND OF CONNECTION COULD HAVE COME UNDERGROUND UNDER CITY HALL. IT'S JUST NEVER FINISHED OUT SPACE.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE TO SOME DEGREE, HAVING A SPACE IN YOUR HOME, A BEDROOM WHERE YOU JUST DECIDED THAT IT WOULD JUST BE A BUNCH OF SHEETROCK AND YOU JUST NEVER REALLY FINISH IT OUT. UNFINISHED GARAGE? YEAH. NEVER FINISHED? WELL, YEAH. NEVER FINISHED BUILDING OUT YOUR GARAGE? GREAT EXAMPLE. BUT THERE IS WATER IN IT.
AND WE HAVE SOME, SOME THINGS THAT CYCLE THE WATER OUT WHEN IT GETS TOO HOT.
WAS THAT A PART OF THIS ASSESSMENT? SO OUR WATER INFILTRATION.
THAT'S OKAY. GO AHEAD AND FINISH THAT. THAT'S THE TIME YOU SAID THAT WAS MY TIME.
OH OKAY. CAN I FINISH THE QUESTION THOUGH? YEAH OKAY.
THANK YOU SIR. SO I KNOW COLIN MURPHY'S ON AND I LET HIM KIND OF ADDRESS THAT A LITTLE BIT.
HE MENTIONED IN HIS REPORT THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO DO FURTHER EVALUATION ABOUT L3.
COLIN, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH INFORMATION YOU GATHERED OR WANT TO SAY ABOUT THAT, BUT IF YOU'RE ONLINE, IF YOU CAN UNMUTE AND ADDRESS THE L3, CAN I BE HEARD AT THIS POINT? YES, SIR. WE CAN HEAR YOU. OKAY. L3 IS AN AREA IN WHICH IT DOES COLLECT WATER.
IT NEVER HAS BEEN REALLY A WATER TIGHT. EXCUSE ME.
WE NEED TO GET. WE CAN'T. WE CAN'T DO THIS. YOU'VE GOT TO BE ON CAMERA IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK.
SO WE MIGHT HAVE TO COME BACK ON THAT ONE, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU.
ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO LET HIM WORK ON THAT. IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I'M GOING TO MOVE ON. WE'LL STAY ON THIS SIDE. CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN. THANK YOU. WELL, I'M JUST GOING TO START OFF BY SAYING I'M NOT AT ALL CONVINCED BY THIS PRESENTATION THAT ABANDONING THIS BUILDING IS A GOOD IDEA.
LET ME ASK YOU THIS QUESTION. HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU THINK WORK IN THIS BUILDING FOR YOUR ANALYSIS? SORRY. JASMINE GRIFFITHS CORGAN, YOU ARE ASKING HOW MANY PEOPLE WORK IN THE BUILDING TODAY? YOU DID AN ANALYSIS THAT INVOLVED. CORRECT. OUR ANALYSIS IN TERMS OF GATHERING DETAILED HEADCOUNT WAS ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE HEADCOUNT WOULD BE.
OUR ESTIMATION AND THE FACTOR THAT'S BEEN USED IS THAT THERE ARE ABOUT 2200 PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THE BUILDING TODAY, BASED ON OUR RECOMMENDATION OF HOW GROUPS MIGHT MOVE AROUND THE FUTURE.
PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE IN A CITY HALL, WHETHER HERE OR ELSEWHERE, WOULD BE 1800 AND A FEW.
IN ALL THE YEARS I'VE BEEN AT CITY HALL, BOTH AS A COUNCIL MEMBER MORE THAN SIX AND A HALF YEARS, AND AS A COMMISSIONER, I'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED A FIRE ALARM.
I WOULD LOVE FOR THERE TO BE A FIRE ALARM THAT WAS A TEST, AND SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE EXIT THIS BUILDING, BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU IT'S NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THAT NUMBER.
THIS IS ALMOST LIKE A MAUSOLEUM WALKING AROUND.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE STAFF IS, BUT THEY ARE NOT IN THIS BUILDING.
WHEN YOU SAY WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MEETING ROOMS, HOW MANY MEETING ROOMS DO WE HAVE AND HOW MANY DO YOU THINK WE NEED? EXCUSE ME. THAT WAS A GREAT QUESTION. IN OUR REPORT, WE HAVE DETAILED AN EXACT NUMBER OF MEETING ROOMS. AND IN FACT, THAT NUMBER WAS USED TO QUOTE THE TECHNOLOGY NEEDS THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE REPORT.
THE NUMBER OF MEETING ROOMS YOU HAVE TODAY WAS NOT PART OF OUR ANALYSIS.
IT'S A CHALLENGE TO BE ABLE TO MEET AS A TEAM.
SO I WOULD DISAGREE WITH YOU, AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE MY OFFICE IS THIS WAY.
I HAVE A CONFERENCE ROOM NEXT TO MY OFFICE. WE USE IT SOMETIMES, BUT IT'S LARGELY VACANT.
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THERE'S LOTS OF MEETING ROOMS DOWN ON L1. I WALK BY THEM AT LEAST TWICE A DAY, SOMETIMES MORE IF I FORGET MY BADGE.LARGELY NOT USED. YEAH, THAT CERTAINLY THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE DID HEAR ABOUT, IS A LOT OF THE MEETING ROOMS TODAY ARE ASSIGNED AND ALLOCATED TO A DEPARTMENT. SO THAT DEPARTMENT REALLY OWNS THE SCHEDULE.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE CHALLENGE. IT'S HOW YOU USE THIS SPACE TODAY.
AS WE SAID IN THE PRESENTATION, IT'S QUANTITY AND THE MANAGEMENT.
SO THEM BEING ALLOCATED TO CERTAIN GROUPS AND CERTAIN GROUPS DO HAVE PLENTY OF MEETING SPACE IN TERMS OF LARGE MEETINGS, BUT SOME DO NOT. AND SEE WHY WOULD OUR TAXPAYERS NEED TO BUY MORE MEETING ROOMS FOR OUR STAFF JUST BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SHARING PROPERLY? THIS IS EXACTLY LIKE OUR FLEET PRESENTATION.
AND OUR TAXPAYERS ARE BUYING THESE FLEET. THEY'RE BUYING THESE COUNCIL MEMBER.
I'M JUST GOING TO STAY GERMANE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FLEET NOW OKAY. THANK YOU.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO SAY WE HAVE AN FMPC, WHICH IS A FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT PERFORMANCE CRITERIA.
AND IT SAYS THAT ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS MUST STAY IN A STATE OF GOOD REPAIR.
WE CONSTANTLY FAIL THIS. I BRING IT UP EVERY BUDGET YEAR.
AND SO COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY YOU BROUGHT UP THAT WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADD TO THE 2024 BOND FOR CITY HALL, WHICH OUR CITIZENS SAID NOT TO DO, RECOMMENDED NOT TO PUT ANY MONEY THERE.
OUR COUNCIL DID NOT HAVE A BRIEFING ABOUT THAT ITEM, ABOUT THE CONDITION OF CITY HALL, AND IT WAS BROUGHT ON THE VERY LAST DAY, IN THE VERY LAST HOUR, WITHOUT AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT PROJECTS WOULD HAVE TO BE REMOVED TO ADD THAT.
AND SO THE VOTE WAS 12 TO 3 TO NOT INCLUDE IT.
YOU ALSO VOTED NOT TO INCLUDE IT. THERE WERE THERE WERE THREE PEOPLE.
YOU WERE TWO OF THEM. THAT'S CORRECT. AND JAYNIE WAS THE THIRD.
AND I JUST RECENTLY WATCHED IT. SO I KNOW THAT'S TRUE.
AND THERE IS A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN ARPA, AND IT COULD HAVE GONE THROUGH GENERAL FUND.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE A COST ANALYSIS WHERE WE AREN'T REPLACING SYSTEMS THAT ARE ACTUALLY PERFORMING TODAY, EVEN IF THEY'RE PAST A SCHEDULED LIFE, LIKE THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE WORKING.
SO IT MAY BE ACROSS THAT. BUT LET'S, LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ONES THAT ARE.
ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SECOND OPINION ON THIS $1 BILLION BY DISINTERESTED PARTIES.
I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN ANY NUMBER OF HIGHLY QUALIFIED FOLKS THAT WOULD ACTUALLY DO THIS FOR FREE, BECAUSE THEY CANNOT BELIEVE WHAT IS BEING SAID TO US.
I WOULD MOST DEFINITELY LIKE TO HAVE A PHASED APPROACH.
NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE EXCESS CAPACITY IN THIS BUILDING.
HERE'S MY QUESTION FOR YOU. HOW MANY BASEMENTS IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS OF BUILDINGS HAVE WATER IN THEM? WITH A SUMP PUMP? I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE THIS INFORMATION.
AND I WOULDN'T WANT THE THE TEAM TO SPECULATE ON THAT ANSWER.
OKAY. SO I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THIS, THIS ALL APPEARS VERY ONE SIDED, PREDETERMINED, AGENDA DRIVEN, CONTRIVED, WORST CASE WEIGHTED, RUSHED, CONCLUSION DRIVEN, COST AMPLIFYING.
CHAIR WEST, I WANT TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED AT FINANCE.
I WANT TO SAY IT WAS IN THE NOVEMBER 4TH MEETING WHEN WE BROUGHT AN UPDATED BRIEFING, AND WE ACTUALLY INSERTED KIND OF THE FROM 2006 TO THE 2024 BOND PROGRAMS. AND WE LAID OUT HOW MUCH MONEY, YOU KNOW, WAS THERE AND HOW MUCH WOULD HAVE BEEN POTENTIALLY DEDICATED FOR CITY HALL.
AND WHEN WE GOT TO 2024, THERE WAS A LOT OF DEBATE BECAUSE THERE WAS A BOND TASK FORCE AND THERE WERE SEVERAL SUBCOMMITTEES OR SUB TECHNICAL COMMITTEES WHOSE OF OF OF, YOU KNOW, CONSTITUENTS THAT WERE ON THESE COMMITTEES THAT ACTUALLY HEARD AND WERE BRIEFED ON ITEMS SUCH AS REPAIRS TO CITY HALL.
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SO SO WE HAVE MEMORANDUMS AND THINGS THAT WE'VE SHARED WITH THIS COMMITTEE BEFORE, OUR COUNCIL IN FULL COUNCIL RELATIVE TO THOSE.AND THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF IN 2024.
NOW, WHETHER IT ROSE UP TO, TO THE LEVEL BEFORE AT SOME POINT THE COUNCIL MADE A DECISION TO NOT TAKE THE ADVICE FROM THE, YOU KNOW, THE SUBCOMMITTEE. THAT'S FOR FOR HISTORICAL DEBATE HOW THAT ALL WORKED OUT.
BUT THAT WAS, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, A COUNCIL ACTION THAT CHANGED KIND OF THE FUNDING STRATEGY BASED ON A SERIES OF PRIORITIES, WHICH IS WITHIN THE WORLD WITH ALL OF THE COUNCIL TO DO THAT.
AND AND A PRIORITY DECISION WAS MADE THEN, MUCH LIKE THEY HAVE OTHER YEARS.
AND SOMETIMES CITY HALL HAS LOST WHEN WHEN THOSE DECISIONS WERE MADE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CHAIR. YOU FINISHED? OKAY.
THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN RIDLEY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
I, TOO, AM NOT CONVINCED THAT WE HAVE THE DATA NECESSARY.
THAT JUST TO JUSTIFY ABANDONING CITY HALL AND MOVING TO SOME UNSPECIFIED ALTERNATIVE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PROCESS WAS VERY TIME CRUNCHED, THAT IT WAS CONDUCTED OVER THE HOLIDAYS WITH BARELY ENOUGH TIME TO GET A REPORT DONE THREE DAYS BEFORE THIS HEARING. AND I THINK THAT THAT LEADS TO RUSHED RESULTS.
AND IT ALSO IS LIKELY TO HAVE LED TO INFLATED COST ESTIMATES TO COVER ANY POSSIBLE VARIATION IN ACTUAL INVESTIGATION RESULTS. TO BE ON THE HIGH SIDE, I THINK IT WAS ALSO INFLATED BY THE INTENT TO REPLACE ALL SYSTEMS, EVEN IF THOSE SYSTEMS ARE NOT FAILING. WE MAY HAVE SEEN SOME ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE OF ONE SYSTEM DEFICIENCY OR ANOTHER, BUT THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY, AND DOES NOT REASONABLY JUSTIFY REPLACING ALL THE WIRING IN THE BUILDING, ALL THE PIPING AND ALL THE AIR CONDITIONING EQUIPMENT.
I THINK WE NEED A MORE DETAILED ANALYSIS OF JUST WHAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, AND A REALISTIC COST ESTIMATE, SO THAT WE CAN COMPARE APPLES WITH APPLES. TO THAT END, I ALSO BELIEVE THAT WE NEED A SECOND OPINION BEFORE WE MAKE SUCH A MOMENTOUS DECISION AND EXPENSIVE DECISION. SOMEONE WHO IS NOT GOING TO BE FINANCIALLY INTERESTED IN THE OUTCOME, AND WHO CAN AT LEAST REVIEW THE RESULTS OF THESE CONSULTANTS TO PEER REVIEW THEM.
AND I ALSO QUESTIONED THE NEED FOR PHASED RENOVATION.
HOW HAVE THEY MANAGED IT? HAVE THEY HAD ANY DISLOCATION OR DISRUPTION OF CITY WORKERS? WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANY ANALYSIS OF THAT, AND I WOULD EXPECT TO HEAR THAT FROM THESE CONSULTANTS BEFORE.
WE AREN'T GIVING GIVEN ANY OPTIONS IN THIS REPORT, AND IT IS DEFICIENT BECAUSE OF THAT.
SO I AM NOT PREPARED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY RECOMMENDATIONS BASED UPON THIS ANALYSIS WITHOUT FURTHER DETAILED AND PEER REVIEW. COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT IN YOUR COMMENTS.
FIRST OF ALL ALL OF THE REPORTS WERE DONE OVER A MONTH AGO, BUT WE HAVE HELD THEM IN DRAFT AS WE ALL PEER REVIEWED, ALL OF EVERYONE, REVIEWED EVERYONE'S REPORTS AND HAD MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS.
WE JUST PUT THEM IN FINAL JUST IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS.
YOU ARE CORRECT ABOUT THAT. BUT BUT THE REPORT'S BEEN FINISHED FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
AND AGAIN, WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING ANYTHING. WE ARE JUST PROVIDING YOU WITH INFORMATION.
THERE IS NO RECOMMENDATION ON THE TABLE FROM ANYONE ON OUR TEAM.
AND SO IT IS IN YOUR HANDS AS TO WHAT KIND OF RECOMMENDATION YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.
THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN RIDLEY. DID YOU, CHAIRMAN JOHNSON, WANT TO CHIME IN? YES. THANK YOU. I'M. I'M NOT. I HAVE NOT MADE WHERE I SIT WITH THIS DECISION YET BECAUSE THIS IS VERY A SERIOUS AND SENSITIVE MATTER.
BUT I DO WANT TO ASK THE CITY MANAGER. CITY MANAGER, CAN YOU I WANT TO ASK YOU A QUESTION.
I'M SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. I KNOW YOU ARE HERE.
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BECAUSE I'M HEARING A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS AND I JUST WANT TO BRING CLARITY.DID NOT THIS COUNCIL ASK YOU TO EVALUATE OPTIONS AND GET ENGINEER EXPERTS TO GIVE US INFORMATION ON WHAT IT WOULD COST TO REPAIR CITY HALL AND WHAT A POTENTIAL NEW CITY HALL WOULD COST OR LOOK LIKE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCILMEMBER JOHNSON.
OKAY. THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I HAVE FOR YOU.
THANK YOU. THE REASON WHY I ASK THAT IS BECAUSE I'M HEARING A LOT OF WE DON'T TRUST THIS.
WE DON'T BELIEVE IN THIS. AND AND THAT'S KIND OF CATCHING ME OFF GUARD.
BECAUSE I THINK I HEARD ONE, THE PRESENTER SAID THAT THEY USED A COMPANY THAT CURRENTLY RECOMMENDED.
IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK I'VE HEARD YOU SAY THAT SOMEONE SAID THAT THAT THIS ALSO CHAIR RIDLEY RECOMMENDED A COMPANY TO BE A PART OF THIS AS WELL. YES, SIR. OKAY. SO. AND YOU GUYS WENT WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION, CORRECT? YES. OKAY. RECOMMENDATION. WE WE FELT THAT WAS A GOOD ADDITION TO THE TEAM.
OKAY. WERE YOU ALSO RUSHED BECAUSE I, I, I HEARD THAT TOO.
WE DID HAVE ONE FIRM THAT WHEN WE ASKED THEM IF THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE, PARTICIPATE IN THIS EVALUATION SAY NO TO US BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT TAKE ON THE TASK WITHIN THE TIME FRAME. SO THEY KNEW UP FRONT EXACTLY HOW MUCH TIME THEY NEED.
THEY ALL TOLD ME THAT THEY FELT LIKE THAT WAS SUFFICIENT TIME.
YES SHE DID. SO THESE THESE PEOPLE REALLY MADE A MAJOR DEDICATION, PERSONAL DEDICATION.
COLIN MURPHY HAD FAMILY EVENTS THAT HE HAD THROUGHOUT THE HOLIDAY, SO WE ACCOMMODATED HIM.
HE CAME IN IN JANUARY TO DO HIS ASSESSMENTS. HIS TEAM CAME IN THEN.
SO THEY ALL WORKED WHENEVER THEY COULD THROUGHOUT THE HOLIDAY.
THEY NEVER EXPRESSED TO ME THAT THEY FELT LIKE THEY COULD NOT COMPLETE THE TASK.
AT THE VERY BEGINNING WE SAID, THIS IS WHAT HAS TO BE DONE.
IT IS A HEAVY LIFT. IT IS THE HOLIDAY. I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, BUT EVERY SINGLE PERSON WAS ALL ENGAGED AND COMMITTED TO GETTING THIS JOB DONE IN A VERY PROFESSIONAL MANNER, WITH THE PROCESSES THAT IS EXPECTED OF PROFESSIONALS, OF THEIR FIRMS AND OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS.
SO I DO NOT FEEL IN ANY CASE THAT THEY FELT LIKE THEY WERE RUSHED BASED ON ANYTHING I HEARD.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'M LOOKING AT ON PAGE 25 OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENT.
IT TALKS ABOUT ASBESTOS CONTAINING MATERIALS.
SO AND, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POSSIBLY IT WAS A POTENTIAL STAY WHILE WORK IS GOING ON, THEN ALSO TO POSSIBLY LEAVE AND TELL ME THE RISK OF STAYING WHILE POTENTIAL WORK IS GOING ON IF WE'RE GOING TO WHILE IT'S BEST TO STAY HERE AND CLEAN IT UP.
WHAT IS UNEQUIVOCAL IS THAT THERE ARE STANDARDS, CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS, DESIGN STANDARDS THAT APPLY WHEN THERE ARE KNOWN ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS AND WHEN THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS ARE GOING TO BE DISTURBED.
THERE'S A SET OF OF GUIDELINES FOR HOW YOU CAN EXECUTE THAT WORK.
SO EXECUTING A PHASED RENOVATION WHILE POSSIBLE DOES NOT APPEAR ADVISABLE OR RECOMMENDED BECAUSE OF THE DIFFICULTY TO CATALOG THOSE RISKS AND DIFFICULTY TO EXECUTE THAT PLAN WITHOUT COMPROMISING OR POTENTIALLY COMPROMISING HEALTH AND LIFE AND SAFETY ISSUES.
SO IN SHORT BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE MATERIALS AND BECAUSE IT WILL BE DISTURBED, IT'S UNEQUIVOCAL, WILL BE DISTURBED TO EXECUTE THIS TYPE OF RENOVATION.
YOU TAKE ON A WHOLE NEW SET OF LIABILITY AND RISKS.
THANK YOU. PRIOR TO ME BEING HERE, I WAS A SCHOOL BOARD TRUSTEE AND DALLAS ISD.
I LOOKED AT A LOT OF THE PICTURES HERE IN THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU THAT YOU PRESENTED.
THE BUILDING IS STRONG, YET WE HAD ASBESTOS IN THE BUILDING AT ONE PARTICULAR TIME.
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OF COURSE IT WASN'T ON THIS CURRENT SUPER SUPERINTENDENT, THANKFULLY, BUT WE HAD CHEERLEADERS IN THE HALLWAY WHILE MEN WERE COMING IN WITH WHITE SUITS TAKING OUT ASBESTOS, AND WE HAD TO ASK WHAT WAS GOING ON.AND THIS ALL DOCUMENTED. SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT THAT I'M SAYING IS NEW.
SO TO SIT HERE AND SAY THAT THIS IS A, I GUESS, FAKE NEWS, IF YOU WILL, AND THIS PRESENTATION IS JUST OVER THE BOARD IS REALLY DISINGENUOUS WHEN WE ASK THE THE CITY MANAGER TO GO GET US A EVALUATION OF WHAT THIS WOULD BE.
YOU KNOW, IN ONE BREATH WE SAY WE WANT TO BE FINANCIAL AND FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.
THEN WHEN OUR EMOTIONS ARE ATTACHED TO IT, WE DON'T WANT TO BE FINANCIALLY AND FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.
IT'S LIKE SIX SEVEN, YOU KNOW, ONE MINUTE WE SAYING THIS, THEN ANOTHER MINUTE WE SAYING THAT.
AND THAT'S MY MY DAUGHTER WOULD SAY SIX SEVEN.
THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE A PRUDENT DECISION.
AND THEN AND THIS HAS BEEN KICKED DOWN THE ROAD FOR A LONG TIME.
WE JUST DIDN'T GET HERE WITH HAVING A LOT OF PROBLEMS IN THIS BUILDING.
IT AIN'T IT DIDN'T JUST HAPPEN WHEN I GOT HERE.
WHEN COUNCILWOMAN LORI OR COUNCILMAN OR OR THE THE REST OF THIS COUNCIL BEEN HERE, IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM AND MONEY WAS GIVEN, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO FIX THE PROBLEM. IT WAS MORE LIPSTICK ON A PIG.
SO NOW WE'RE AT A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE TO MAKE A TOUGH DECISION.
AND SO LOOKING AT ALL OF THE INFORMATION AND EXPERIENCING WHAT I EXPERIENCED AS A AS A SCHOOL BOARD TRUSTEE, SOUTH OAK CLIFF HIGH SCHOOL, DEPLORABLE. ROOSEVELT AT ONE TIME WAS DEPLORABLE.
O.W. HOLMES, NOW JOHN LEWIS SOCIAL JUSTICE ACADEMY WAS DEPLORABLE.
PINKSTON HIGH SCHOOL IN WEST DALLAS WAS DEPLORABLE, AND WE HAD TO GO FIX IT.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO OR WHAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO AS FAR AS THIS BUILDING IS CONCERNED, WHAT I AM SAYING, THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE ALL THE MEASURES AND GIVE YOU MORE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING INFORMATION BACK SO WE CAN ASK COUNCILMAN.
RESENDEZ SAID. BE TRANSPARENT WITH OUR COMMUNITY AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND IT'S NOT WHAT YOU SEE. IT'S THE UNFORESEEN THINGS THAT YOU CANNOT SEE THAT'S A PROBLEM.
THANK YOU. PERFECT TIMING. COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA FIVE MINUTES.
THANK YOU, MISTER CHAIR. AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
I WILL ALSO START BY SAYING THAT THE REPORT DOES NOT CONVINCE ME THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE OPTION, ALTHOUGH IT SEEMS THE REPORT WAS WRITTEN WITH THAT INTENT.
THE RENOVATION ESTIMATE RELIES ON AN AACE CLASS FIVE FOUR METHODOLOGY.
WHAT IS THE STATED MARGIN OF ERROR OF THIS ESTIMATE? IT IS A PLANNING LEVEL COST ESTIMATE THAT IS OFTEN AROUND OBSERVABLE IN COST.
IT IS AROUND 25% ON ONE SIDE AND 25% BOTH UNDER AND OVER AGAIN.
IT IS A ESTIMATE FOR PLANNING PURPOSES, BUT TYPICALLY INDUSTRY OBSERVATION IS WITHIN 25%.
OKAY. GIVEN THAT MARGIN OF ERROR, WHY ARE WE USING THIS ESTIMATE TO JUSTIFY $1 BILLION POLICY DIRECTION INSTEAD OF COMMISSIONING A MORE REFINED CLASS THREE OR BETTER ESTIMATE? IT'S NOT OUR REMIT TO GO INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL.
WE ARE ASKED TO DEVELOP COST ESTIMATES REGARDING RESPONDING AND REPAIRING THE FACILITY.
IT MAY NOT BE YOUR QUESTION TO ANSWER. YEAH, I'LL TAKE THAT QUESTION AND I'M GOING TO HOPEFULLY LEAD THIS INTO SOMETHING STEVEN CAN HELP ME WITH, BECAUSE THIS ISN'T WHAT I DO EVERY DAY.
BUT MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT WE WERE TOLD THAT THE LEVEL OF THE ASSESSMENT THAT WAS BEING DONE IF IF THERE WAS MORE INVASIVE WORK THAT WOULD BE DONE, IT WOULD LEAD TO ACTUALLY POTENTIALLY DEEPER AND GREATER COST THAN THAN WHAT THIS LEVEL DID.
SO IS IT THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE IS POSITION THAT THE COUNCIL SHOULD MAKE $1 BILLION POLICY DECISION WITH A MARGIN OF ERROR THAT WAS JUST DESCRIBED IN THE ESTIMATE THAT WAS GIVEN TO MAKE THIS DECISION. THE ONLY THING THAT STAFF IS TRYING TO DO IS PROVIDE YOU WITH THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE THE DECISION.
YOU GUYS NEED TO TELL US IF YOU AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
I WOULD JUST HOPE WE WOULD HAVE A MORE GRANULAR ESTIMATE TO WORK FROM IF THAT WERE THE CASE.
WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SHARE WITH YOU IS, AND I HEAR YOU 100%, AND I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS, AND I FEEL YOUR PAIN, I GET IT. I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SHARE WITH YOU IS THIS IS THAT WHEN WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT LEVEL WAS GOING TO BE DONE,
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WHEN THEY CAME TO US AND THEY TOLD US THAT OUR SYSTEMS WERE BEYOND THEIR USEFUL LIFE, RIGHT? FORGET, FORGET WHEN THEY MIGHT FAIL TOMORROW OR TEN YEARS FROM NOW.AND THEN THEY SAID, BY THE WAY, WE DID ALL THIS VISUAL INSPECTIONS WITHOUT BEING INVASIVE, BECAUSE THEY KNEW THAT BASED ON THE AGE OF THE SYSTEMS AND WHAT THEY COULD SEE VISUALLY, THAT FOR THE MOST PART THEY HID IT.
THEY KNEW THAT IT WAS TIME FOR A SYSTEM REPLACEMENT.
I WAS ASKING WHY WE DIDN'T DO A MORE REFINED.
THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. WE FELT THAT ASKING THAT WAS SUFFICIENT.
THEM DOING THE THE FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS EVALUATION FOR COUNCIL.
AT THIS STAGE WE THOUGHT THAT WAS SUFFICIENT. OKAY.
AND THE $906 MILLION FIGURE THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THIS REPORT, IT INCLUDES A 20 YEAR FINANCING.
GOOD AFTERNOON. JACK GARLAND CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER WE ASSUME 5% INTEREST, 20 YEAR LEVEL DEBT AND HAVE THOSE SAME 20 YEAR FINANCING ASSUMPTIONS BEEN APPLIED TO A LEASE AND ACQUISITION OPTION.
YES, I BELIEVE, PETER, DO YOU WANT TO HELP WITH THAT? UNEQUIVOCALLY, YES. AND WHERE IS THE APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON FOR US TO MAKE AN INFORMED POLICY DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT WE FEEL THAT WE ARE MAKING THE RIGHT ONE WITH TAXPAYER DOLLARS? COUNCILMAN BAZALDUA I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD VALUE QUESTION.
AND I THINK THE HARD PART FOR US IN THIS PUBLIC FORUM IS THAT THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS PROVIDED TODAY WAS AN ELEMENT OF BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE MEANING. EXECUTIVE SESSION WAS THE WAS. THE COMBINATION OF THE TWO WAS WITH THE HOPES THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE YOU WITH THAT COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS.
AND WITHOUT THAT APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE MAKING A POLICY DECISION.
I MEAN, IF YOU CAN POINT TO SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL SHOWED US IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, THAT WAS AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON, I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY TO SEE IT. BUT THOSE WHO WE CONTRACTED WEREN'T EVEN ABLE TO ANSWER THAT.
WE'VE DONE THAT. THE PRIOR ESTIMATE FOR CORE BUILDING SYSTEMS WAS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN WHAT THAT LINE ITEM SHOWS IN THIS REPORT WHAT SPECIFICALLY CHANGED IN SCOPE OR METHODOLOGY TO JUSTIFY THE INCREASE? ARE YOU REFERENCING THIS IS CURRENTLY WITH AECOM.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. I CAN'T SEE YOU THOUGH.
NOW LET'S GET THE CAMERA WORKING, PLEASE. I HAVE IT ON.
HOLD ON JUST A SECOND. OH, YEAH. KEEP SAYING DO.
TESTING ONE, TWO, THREE UNTIL YOU POP UP. TESTING ONE.
TWO. THREE. KEEP GOING. YOU'RE GETTING A.COM.
HE SAID IT'S ON NOW. WE STILL DON'T HAVE YOU.
YOU HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON, I ASSUME. I DO, OKAY.
I CAN SEE MYSELF IN THE PRESENTATION. THERE YOU GO.
YEAH, YEAH. SEE? THERE YOU GO. WE'VE GOT YOU NOW.
OKAY. TAKE IT AWAY. YEAH. APOLOGIES FOR THE AUDIO AND VIDEO ISSUES EARLIER.
SO YEAH, SO TO SPEAK TO THAT, I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 2016 REPORT THAT AECOM PUT TOGETHER VERSUS THE MOST RECENT SYSTEMS, OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE COMPARISON OF THE CITY'S ESTIMATE VERSUS OURS? JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I DIDN'T HEAR YOUR REASONING.
I CAN CLARIFY THE QUESTION HE'S ASKING WHETHER YOU ARE REFERRING TO THE COST ESTIMATE PROVIDED LATE LAST YEAR OR THE ORIGINAL AECOM FCA ESTIMATE IN 2017. I WOULD SAY LET'S GO WITH LATE LAST YEAR.
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AS FAR AS THEIR NUMBERS, OUR NUMBERS WERE PREDICATED ON A COUPLE OF THINGS.THERE'S END EQUIPMENT DISTRIBUTION THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
IN ADDITION TO THAT WE ALSO ARE RECOMMENDING THE PIPING INFRASTRUCTURE, THE BRANCH WIRING, A HOLISTIC SYSTEM LEVEL REPLACEMENT IN ADDITION TO THE EQUIPMENT.
AND SO THAT IS WHY THAT NUMBER IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD THE CITY'S NUMBER TO BE, BUT I DO I WOULD DEFER TO DONZELL TO TALK TO WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THOSE NUMBERS.
YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK THE SCOPE AND METHODOLOGY COMPONENT OF THE QUESTION IS REALLY GEARED TOWARDS CITY STAFF AND WHAT WAS CHANGED ON THE SCOPE THAT WAS ASKED OF THE PARTNER WHO GAVE US THESE NUMBERS. CAN YOU REFRAME THE QUESTION? I'M STRUGGLING TRYING TO DEVELOP A RESPONSE. WELL, I DON'T WANT TO KEEP HAVING TO REPEAT MYSELF AND TAKE AWAY MY TIME.
I NEED YOU ALL TO TO TO HEAR MY QUESTIONS. I'VE ASKED FOR BRIAN, WHO JUST GAVE US AN EXPLANATION OF TWO DIFFERENT NUMBERS THAT WE WERE GIVEN. AND I'M ASKING WHAT STAFF PRESCRIBED AS A DIFFERENCE IN SCOPE AND METHODOLOGY THAT RESULTED IN SUCH A DRASTIC DIFFERENCE IN NUMBER THAT WAS GIVEN TO US WITHIN LESS THAN TWO YEARS. OKAY. GOTCHA. SO I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IS I'M HEARING YOU NOW.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARITY. I THINK WHAT WHAT BRIAN WAS TRYING TO GET AT IS, IS THE THE NUMBER THAT WAS PROVIDED IN THE ORIGINAL FCA WAS MORE OF A REPAIR AS YOU GO VERSUS THE SYSTEMS ARE AT THEIR USEFUL LIFE AND NEED TO BE REPLACED.
AND I THINK THAT'S THAT'S THE GIST OF IT. I GUESS I'M NOT NOVEMBER THE NOVEMBER NUMBER. SO I'M GOING TO JUMP IN IF I'M SORRY.
I'M AT I'M AT A LOSS. I'M SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. IT'S IT'S IT'S IT'S BEEN A LOT.
SO WHEN STAFF CAME IN NOVEMBER WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE INCLUDED FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, THERE WAS A COMBINATION OF THINGS THAT WE DID.
WE HAD NOT UPDATED THE FACILITIES CONDITION ASSESSMENT THAT WAS RECOGNIZED BY THE COUNCIL, WHICH IS WHY THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY INCLUDED IN THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU ADOPTED, WAS FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD AN UPDATED FACILITIES CONDITION ASSESSMENT.
WE TOOK A SERIES OF OLD INVOICES, OLD PROPOSALS THAT WE HAD RECEIVED SINCE, I WOULD SAY, 22,006, BECAUSE 2006 IS THE LAST BOND PROGRAM THAT WE ACTUALLY GOT MONEY FOR CITY HALL, THERE WAS NO MONEY IN 20 2012.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE EITHER ADDRESSED OR WE DID NOT ADDRESS.
AND THEN WE TOOK THAT INFORMATION AND THEN WE ADJUSTED IT FOR TODAY'S DOLLARS.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU GOT IN NOVEMBER, WHICH IS WHY WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT HAVING THIS DEEPER REVIEW, ACTUALLY GOING IN AND DOING A MORE IN-DEPTH, BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE NUMBERS WERE OLD AND STALE.
AND THEN WE DID THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BRIEFING AFTER THAT WITH THE JOINT FINANCE COMMITTEE. BUT WHAT YOU GOT ORIGINALLY DID NOT HAVE NEW ESTIMATES, A NEW FACILITIES CONDITION ASSESSMENT. WE BASED IT OFF WHAT WE BELIEVED AND WHAT WE KNEW.
THAT'S WHY THINGS LIKE ADA COMPLIANCE WAS NOT INCLUDED.
SO I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING YOU JUST ANSWERED TWO PARTS THAT WERE A DIFFERENT OF THE SCOPE. I'M JUST ASKING FOR THE DIFFERENCE OF SCOPE, NOT FOR A TIMELINE. WE DIDN'T HAVE A SCOPE WHEN WE CAME WITH STAFF'S NUMBER.
OLD. BUT THE QUESTION THAT I ASKED WAS WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE IN SCOPE AND METHODOLOGY IN THE ESTIMATES THAT WERE COMMISSIONED? YOU JUST NAMED TWO THINGS, ONE OF THEM ENVIRONMENTAL AND WHAT WAS THE OTHER, THE.
SO WE DID NOT HAVE A NUMBER FOR ADA COMPLIANCE.
THANK YOU. WHAT CONTINGENCY PERCENTAGE WAS INCLUDED FOR CHANGE ORDERS AND UNFORESEEN CONDITIONS? IN THE OVERALL MODEL? THE THE $906 MILLION NUMBER, WE HAD A 5% CONTINGENCY NUMBER.
5%. THE $113 MILLION TEMPORARY RELOCATION COST ASSUMES FULL VACANCY FOR FIVE YEARS. IT'S ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED.
ON WHY WE HAVEN'T. WHY? BUT WHAT IS THE MODELED COST OF THE PHASED REPAIR STRATEGY WITH A HARD DOLLAR AMOUNT IF WE WERE TO DO THE PHASED? OR IS IT JUST ASSUMED THAT THAT WASN'T GOING TO BE DESIRED?
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AGAIN. APPLES TO APPLES. WE'RE ASKED TO BE MAKING $1 BILLION POLICY DECISION HERE.AND I'M ASKING IF YOU'RE GIVING ME ONE SCENARIO HERE.
HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO MAKE A DECISION NOT KNOWING WHAT THE OTHER SCENARIO IS? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. I THINK THE ANSWER IS WE DID NOT DO A PHASED ASSESSMENT BECAUSE I THINK THE DECISION NEEDS TO BE MADE AS TO WHICH SYSTEMS SHOULD BE PHASED AND EXACTLY HOW WE SHOULD PHASE THAT. WE DID NOT GO DOWN THAT PATH IN TERMS OF GIVING YOU A TRUE ESTIMATE.
IF WE DID A PHASED ASSESSMENT AND DEPENDING ON HOW YOU WANTED TO PHASE IT WITHIN THE BUILDING, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO EXPLORE FURTHER TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A MORE CONCRETE NUMBER, BUT THAT IS, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, IT IS VERY POSSIBLE TO DO A PHASED, PHASED PROCESS, BUT YOU ARE LOOKING AT A LOT MORE UNCERTAINTY IN TERMS OF WHAT THE COST IS AS WELL AS THE TIME FRAME. BUT IF THAT IS THE WILL OF THE TEAMS WITH THE 25% MARGIN OF ERROR, THERE'S A LOT OF OF THAT. VERY WELL COULD BE.
SIR, I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN, IN. WELL THAT'S WHY IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE A BETTER ESTIMATE.
IS THERE ANY STRUCTURAL FINDINGS IN THIS REPORT THAT REQUIRES A FULL EVACUATION OF OUR BUILDING THERE OR NOT? THERE AREN'T. AND WITH THE RENOVATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD OF FIRE STATIONS, FOR INSTANCE.
WHAT'S PRACTICE IN ENVIRONMENTAL ABATEMENT IN ASBESTOS? HAVE WE EVACUATED? OUR FIRE STATIONS? OR DO WE PHASE OUT THOSE RENOVATIONS? I'LL HAVE JOHN JOHNSON, IF YOU'RE STILL HERE, CAN COME AND KIND OF PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THE FIRE STATIONS.
WE HAVE A LICENSED CONTRACTOR COME IN. THEY CORDON OFF THE AREA.
THEY DO AIR QUALITY TESTING BEFORE, DURING AND AFTER.
BEFORE IT'S COMPLETELY CLEARED OUT. ALL THE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS ARE SEALED.
THEY'RE TAKEN OFF SITE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COMPLIANCE AND LAW.
SO WE'VE NEVER SUBJECTED OUR FIREFIGHTERS TO ASBESTOS.
CORRECT. UNLESS IT WOULD BE VERY EXTENSIVE AND IT WOULD BE WORTH IT FOR THEM TO MOVE OUT.
BUT THAT'S AN OPERATIONAL DECISION. THANK YOU.
YOU'RE WELCOME. THE STRUCTURAL REPORT STATES THAT THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF WIDESPREAD INSTABILITY, THAT DEFICIENCIES ARE LOCALIZED. CAN YOU CONFIRM THE LOCALIZATION OF THE DEFICIENCIES? I THINK WE CAN CALL ON BRIAN, I MEAN, COLIN MURPHY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
SO I'M NOT THE PERSON TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION IS JEFF REED ONLINE.
THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER JEFF REED WITH URBAN STRUCTURE IS ONLINE.
DOES THE REPORT IDENTIFY ANY IMMEDIATE LIFE SAFETY ISSUES THAT REQUIRES ABANDONING THE BUILDING? NO, SIR. THE ASBESTOS IDENTIFIED POSES NO IMMEDIATE HEALTH RISK.
IF UNDISTURBED. WHY IS IT BEING TREATED AS A DRIVER FOR FULL RENOVATION RATHER THAN MANAGED ABATEMENT DURING TARGETED REPAIRS? THE ONLY THING I WOULD JUST COMMENT ON THAT IS IN THE EVENT OF THIS LEVEL OF RENOVATION, THE DISTURBANCE WILL BE MATERIAL.
SO WE DID NOT THE REPORT SPEAKS TO YOU CAN DO REMEDIATION IN PLACE.
THAT'S CERTAINLY A POSSIBILITY. BUT WE DID NOT MODEL A PHASED RENOVATION AND THEREFORE LOCAL REMEDIATION WITH LOCAL DYNAMICS THERE INSIDE THE BUILDING. IT'S IMPRESSIVE FOR YOU TO GIVE THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL TO SUCH A ROUGH ESTIMATE.
I'M GOING TO WAIT FOR MY SECOND ROUND FOR ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
ALL RIGHT. THAT SOUNDS GREAT. I WILL GO TO BLACKMON.
THIS IS CHIEF ARTIS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A CORRECTION.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILWOMAN BLACKMON. THAT WAS ACTUALLY RESPONDED TO ON MINE.
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AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THAT'S ABSOLUTELY NOT ACCURATE, BECAUSE THERE ARE STATIONS THAT WE'VE DONE ABATEMENT IN MY DISTRICT THAT HAVE DONE IT IN PHASED APPROACHES. OKAY. WE GOT THAT OUT. COUNCILWOMAN BLACKMON, PLEASE, FOR FIVE MINUTES.AND THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. IT'S 530 AND IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT.
RIGHT. CAN WE GET A COPY OF THAT WITH THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT WAS REQUESTED.
SO THAT WAY WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE ASKED FOR IS WHAT WE GOT.
HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT TO YOU IF YOU DON'T HAVE SECONDLY.
OKAY. ON 20 ON SLIDE 23, YOU TALK ABOUT THAT.
WE'RE PHASING OUT OAKMONT AND THE CENTRAL SERVICE.
BUT THEN WE TALK ABOUT ON YOUR CORE AGAIN, THAT WE MAY BE USING IT TO RELOCATE PEOPLE.
CAN YOU HELP ME RECONCILE THAT? CERTAINLY. YOUR QUESTION IS YOU ARE MISUNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE PHASING OUT OF OAK CLIFF MUNICIPAL CENTER. WELL, IT SAYS RIGHT HERE THAT I THINK ON 23 THAT INCLUDING OAKMONT AND CENTRAL SERVICE ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION FOR CONSOLIDATION AND DISPOSITION REDEVELOPMENT.
HOWEVER, IN THIS REPORT. RIGHT. I'M KIND OF GETTING A FEELING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING SOME PEOPLE OVER THERE LIKE PARKS AND REC, PMS AND STUFF. SO I'M TRYING TO RECONCILE WHAT WAS ON THE PRESENTATION AND WHAT WAS IN YOUR REPORT.
IT'S NOT A MISUNDERSTANDING. YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO THAT IS REALLY A DIFFERENCE IN THE REAL ESTATE OPPORTUNITIES.
AS A BASELINE, WE'RE MOVING PEOPLE TO OAK CLIFF MUNICIPAL CENTER WHO ARE BEST SUITED FOR THAT USE.
BUT I GUESS CBRE CAN SPEAK TO THAT PHRASING. AND WE CAN TALK OFFLINE.
THE MARKET FINDINGS PRESENT A WIDE RANGE OF CONSOLIDATION OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE CITY.
AND SHOULD THE CITY ACQUIRE IN ANY STRUCTURE, A FACILITY THAT HAD SURPLUS SPACE FOR IT, THERE WERE A NUMBER THAT HAVE 100,000FT² PLUS OF AVAILABLE EXTRA SPACE THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY UNLOCK OTHER PORTFOLIO OPTIMIZATION OPPORTUNITIES FOR HIGHER AND BETTER USES FOR FACILITIES. SO THE SUGGESTION HERE IS THAT THE MARKET OPPORTUNITIES GIVE YOU SOME CREATIVE OPTIONS.
I THINK THE REPORT IS REFLECTING THAT WE'VE MOVED IN TERMS OF THE PROGRAMING, THE RECOMMENDED PROGRAMING WITH THE INFORMATION WE HAVE THAT IS AGNOSTIC TO REAL ESTATE MARKET OPTIONS, WE WOULD RECOMMEND YOUR BEST OPTION RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE IS REAL ESTATE OPTIONS.
SO WE'RE MOVING PEOPLE OUT OF THIS BUILDING PUTTING THEM IN OAKMONT.
BUT THEN WE HAVE A REAL ESTATE CONVERSATION ABOUT WE'RE CONSOLIDATING.
YOU HAVE OPTIONS. THAT'S THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT GETS DOWN TO IS THE PROGRAMING RECOMMENDATIONS, SHOWS YOU ONE SCENARIO OF WHAT WOULD BE THE IDEAL SCENARIO WITHOUT DISRUPTION TO MOST OF THE GROUPS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE OPTIONS TO DECIDE WHAT YOU WHAT PATH YOU WANT TO TAKE.
SO IF WE HAVE OPTIONS AND WE WANT TO DO A PHASED APPROACH, WHY WOULD WE HAVE TO LEASE BUILDING SPACE? IF WE HAVE OPTIONS AROUND THE CITY IN OUR IN OUR SPACES, WHY COULDN'T WE GO TO THE LIBRARY? WHY COULDN'T WE GO TO OK, WHICH LOOKS LIKE THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF UNOCCUPIED SPACE? MAYBE PEOPLE WORK FROM HOME BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY DO NOW TOO. SO I'M KIND OF CURIOUS ON WHY WE WOULDN'T LOOK AT A PHASED APPROACH, OR EVEN IF WE MOVED EVERYBODY ELSE TO MOVING IN CITY OWNED FACILITIES.
AT A MINIMUM, IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT ANY RELOCATION, WHETHER TO A CITY OWNED FACILITY OR ANOTHER LEASE FACILITY WOULD REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT CAPEX, AND THAT CERTAINLY MERITS EXPLORATION.
THAT SAID THE SURPLUS SPACE, A LIBRARY THAT YOU JUST REFERENCED THAT HAS ITS OWN FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT, I'M SURE, AND HAS ITS OWN DYNAMICS IN TERMS OF THE COST AND THE COST BENEFIT OF MOVING IN THERE.
WE'D BE HAPPY TO EXPLORE ANY OF THOSE SCENARIOS. MOVING PEOPLE IN THERE.
I MEAN, IF I'M READING THIS RIGHT. DWU METER READERS PARK AND REC P MS DALLAS ANIMAL SHELTER ADMIN, CITY SECRETARY RECORDS CENTER. YOU'RE MOVING PEOPLE IN THERE.
SO I'M KIND OF NOT UNDERSTANDING THE APPROACH, BUT THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE I THINK, NO, IT'S IT'S FINE.
I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH IT. THE PRESCRIPTIVE PROGRAM OF IDEAL ADJACENCIES IS DIFFERENT AND REACTS REACTS IN SEQUENCE TO WHAT'S AVAILABLE IN THE MARKET. AND SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WHILE YOU DEMAND THIS AMOUNT OF SPACE, THE SUPPLY IN THE MARKET IS SAYING THAT YOU HAVE SOME OTHER ADDITIONAL OPTIONS.
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YOU TEST FIT THAT SPACE FOR MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY AND EFFECTIVENESS, WHETHER IT'S FOR SERVICE DELIVERY OR JUST SQUARE FOOTAGE.SO, PETER, WE COULD LOOK AT OUR OWN SUPPLY VERSUS LOOKING TO THE MARKET FOR EVERYTHING.
DIDN'T SAY SO. AND THEN ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AS WE TALKED TO GROUPS WAS THAT OAK CLIFF MUNICIPAL CENTER REALLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR GROUPS THAT ARE THERE ALL DAY. A LOT OF THE GROUPS THAT EXIST THERE TODAY, AND SOME OF THE GROUPS THAT WE WERE PROPOSING MOVING THERE, IT'S. IT'S NOT HIGH CLASS OFFICE SPACE. IT'S SUITABLE FOR THEIR NEEDS OF TOUCHING DOWN.
FOR INSTANCE, THE METER READERS COME FOR 20 MINUTES A DAY AND UPLOAD SOMETHING, AND IT HAS PLENTY OF PARKING, SO IT'S WELL SUITED FOR GROUPS LIKE THAT THAT ARE IN AND OUT OF THE OFFICE AND NEED A TOUCH DOWN SPACE.
IT'S REALLY NOT WELL SUITED FOR ANY OFFICE WORKERS THAT WOULD BE IN THE OFFICE FOR A FULL DAY, DOING THEIR PRIMARY JOB AT A DESK. AND THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
BUT I GUESS, AGAIN, UNDER CONSIDERATION FOR CONSOLIDATION AND DISPOSITION SLASH REDEVELOPMENT.
YET WE'RE MOVING PEOPLE THERE AS TOUCHDOWN SPACE.
THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING IS IT'S THEY'RE CONFLICTING IN MY OPINION.
BUT MAYBE I'M READING IT WRONG. OKAY. MOVING ON.
PRIORITIZATION, I BELIEVE MISS STEWART READ OFF A MORE DETAILED LIST OF PROJECTS.
BUT YET WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
AND SO I'M KIND OF GOING, OKAY, WHERE DOES THIS ALL FIT RELATED TO PROJECT WORK YOU WERE DID YOU HAVE A SEPARATE PIECE OF PAPER BECAUSE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A PROJECT DETAILED PROJECT LIST? OKAY, WELL, WE CAN, BUT I DON'T RECALL REFERRING TO I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS RIGHT HERE YOU HAVE BUILDING EXTERIOR ROOFS, EXTERIOR WALLS. BUT WE'VE BEEN GOING BY THIS THING THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON SINCE NOVEMBER.
SO NOW I'M TRYING TO RECONCILE, LIKE I KNOW ADA AND HERE'S ADA.
SO I'M TRYING TO RECONCILE WHAT ARE WE REALLY STILL WORKING ON AND WHAT IS LEFT.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING LEFT TO DO. HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
AND SO I KIND OF WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT MISSING BUCKETS.
OKAY. AND SO. AND WITH THAT IN MY AND I TOO WAS AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND WE WENT THROUGH A BOND AND WE KNOW THAT THERE IS PRIORITIZATION OF PROJECTS. YOU GAVE US ALL SYSTEM AND DAY ONE, IT SEEMS LIKE.
RIGHT. ALL THE ONES THAT ARE COMING UP TO THIS 329 IS GETTING FIXED ON DAY ONE.
YEAH, I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN. I'M ASKING FOR A PRIORITIZATION LIST.
YES, THAT THOSE COST ESTIMATES ARE BASED OFF OF SYSTEM REPLACEMENT.
THERE'S NO PRIORITIZATION NECESSARILY OUTLINED IN THAT TABLE.
CORRECT. AND WHERE CAN I GET THAT AND CAN IT BE DONE.
ARE YOU TELLING ME ALL THESE SYSTEMS HAVE TO BE DONE AT DAY ONE? OR CAN YOU KNOW WHAT. YOU KNOW WHAT, WE CAN WAIT TILL YEAR THREE. NO.
THE PURPOSE OF THE ASTM PROCESS IS TO IDENTIFY THE FULL LIST OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU ALL COULD UNDERTAKE, AND IT WOULD BE YOUR POLICY DIRECTIVE TO DECIDE WHICH PRIORITIZATION AND EFFORT YOU ALL WANT TO PRIORITIZE.
IN OTHER WORDS, HELP ME PRIORITIZE THIS. HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT WE SHOULD DO FIRST.
SHOULD WE DO CORE BUILDING SYSTEMS OR BUILDING EXTERIOR? ARE YOU TELLING ME I NEED TO DO ALL OF IT? WHEN? IN THE MINUTE WE CAN. THIS IS JUST CHIMING IN.
SO. SO TO FURTHER STEVEN'S POINT WE'VE IDENTIFIED ALL OF THE DEFICIENCIES.
AND THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION IS BASED ON THE AGE OF THOSE FACILITIES.
THEY DO REQUIRE MORE SYSTEMIC, INVASIVE CORRECTIVE ACTION, AND IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE TO NOT DO THOSE IN TOTAL, ESPECIALLY WITH RESPECT TO THE CORE SYSTEMS. SO TO YOUR POINT, THERE COULD BE A PHASING APPROACH TO DO THE EXTERIOR ENVELOPE YOU KNOW, BEFORE YOU TRANSITION INTO DOING THE CORE SYSTEMS, BUT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET THE MAXIMUM BENEFIT OF ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OR ALL OF THE BENEFITS THAT YOU WOULD GET FROM FROM COMPLETING THE PROJECTS.
AND SECOND TO THAT YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE WAY THAT YOU FRAME PHASE THE PROJECT EXECUTION, THERE WILL ALSO BE SOME CODE TRIGGERS TO JUST KEEP IN MIND FOR CONSIDERATION.
SO THE ANSWER IS WE HAVE TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE.
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I'M SORRY. SAY THAT AGAIN. YOU BROKE OUT? YEAH.OKAY, SO THIS WHOLE LIST NEEDS TO BE DONE ASAP OR WHENEVER, WHENEVER THE MONEY COMES AVAILABLE.
YEAH. SO OKAY. FROM YES, FROM A TIMELINE PERSPECTIVE, IT'S RECOMMENDED THOSE BE DONE CONCURRENTLY.
THERE WOULD BE OPTIONS TO PHASE THOSE, BUT THAT WAS NOT PART OF OUR STUDY.
AND ARE ALL YOUR REPORTS STAMPED WITH YOUR PROFESSIONAL STAMP ON THEM? IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE AN ARCHITECT. I THINK YOU'RE AN ENGINEER. ARE YOU PUTTING YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, YOUR PROFESSIONAL STATUS ON ALL THESE REPORTS? WE FULLY STAND BEHIND OUR WORK, BUT THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO BE STAMPED.
OH, THEY'RE NOT STAMPED. BUT YOU STAND BY THEM. THEY'RE NOT.
THEY'RE NOT. YOU STAND BY. I'M TRYING TO GET A.
YOU ARE STANDING BY YOUR WORK. YES. THAT'S CORRECT.
YES, I STAND BY MY WORK. BUT FOR CLARITY, I AM NOT AN ARCHITECT.
I'M A REGISTERED INTERIOR DESIGNER AND A WORKPLACE STRATEGIST.
YEAH, I'M RIGHT HERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. ROTH. THANK YOU. JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. THE I'VE HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTS, AND ALL THE COMMENTS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT. AND WHAT IT'S WHAT THE GENERAL COMMENTS THAT I'M HEARING IS, IS THIS IS A HUGE, HUGE PROJECT FOR US TO EVALUATE.
AND AND I THINK THAT THE, THE LEVEL OF INFORMATION THAT YOU ALL HAVE PROVIDED IS PHENOMENAL.
I UNDERSTAND THAT IN MY INBOX, THERE'S 7000, POTENTIALLY 7000 PAGES OF ADDITIONAL REPORTS THAT THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY REVIEW IN ANY KIND OF DETAIL OR ANY KIND OF EVEN SUB, YOU KNOW, SUB SUBTERRANEAN WAY AT ALL TO GET THROUGH THIS STUFF.
THIS IS A BIG DEAL. WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO, HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. AND I THINK THAT PRESSURE SHOULD NOT FORCE A DECISION HERE.
AND TIME IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT.
I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT IS MAKING A FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, THOUGHTFUL PLANNED DISCUSSION AND DECISION BASED ON ON THE EVALUATION OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE GUIDED BY VERIFYING THE FACTS AND BY ANALYZING THE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT'S THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US. AND I THINK THAT THAT WILL HELP US INFORM A GOOD DECISION.
I'M ALSO CONCERNED THAT WE NEED NEED MORE, NEED MORE TIME TO REVIEW INTERNALLY SO THAT WE CAN GIVE THE MARKETPLACE SOME GUIDANCE AS TO WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND SO THAT WE CAN HELP ADDRESS WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE, WHAT WE REALLY THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO HAVE TO HAVE THE MARKETPLACE JUMPING AROUND, GIVING US BIDS, GIVING US PLANS, GIVING US, I THINK, CREATES A LITTLE BIT OF DISHARMONY WITHIN THE MARKET AND THAT MAYBE DOESN'T GIVE THEM A GOOD GUIDANCE.
AND I THINK TIME ON OUR SIDE WOULD ALLOW US TO GIVE BETTER GUIDANCE NOT ONLY TO THE TO OUR COUNCIL DECISION MAKING, BUT ALSO IT WOULD INFORM THE MARKET THAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION THAT CAN BE VERIFIED AND COULD BE PROCESSED AND BE HELPFUL FOR THE CITY. SO I'M, I WOULD ADVOCATE AND I'M NOT ON THIS COMMITTEE, BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY ADVOCATE THAT THAT WE SLOW THIS DOWN A LITTLE BIT. AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
BUT I'M TELLING YOU, THIS IS THIS IS A BIG DEAL.
AND I THINK WE ALL NEED TO BE MORE INFORMED AND AND MORE EDUCATED ON IT.
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THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY IS I'M IT'S NOT THAT I SUSPECT THE NUMBERS, BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE NUMBERS.NOT BECAUSE I HAVE ANY BETTER INFORMATION, BUT THESE NUMBERS ARE HUGE TO ME.
AND I THINK IN THE MARKETPLACE IT'S IT'S THERE'S CERTAINLY NEEDS TO BE VERIFIABLE INFORMATION FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO BUY INTO $1 BILLION WORTH OF POTENTIAL EXPENSE.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THIS, THE FINANCE COMMITTEE TO SOMEHOW POSTPONE A, A PUSHING FORWARD ON ANY PARTICULAR PATH UNTIL WE'VE HAD A SUFFICIENT TIME AS A COUNCIL BODY BEFORE WE'RE, WE'RE PRESSED TO MAKE DECISIONS, TO VOTE ON SOMETHING, TO GIVE US TIME TO REALLY ANALYZE THIS STUFF.
AND I THINK THE FINANCE COMMITTEE NEEDS TO DIG DEEP INTO IT.
ALSO, I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE MEETING, WHICH IS ALSO GOING TO ADDRESS THIS, AND I'M JUST FEELING PRESSURED TO MAKE A DECISION WHEN WE SHOULD NOT BE UNDER PRESSURE.
WE HAVE A GOOD BUILDING. WE HAVE A GOOD LOCATION.
WE HAVE THINGS TO DO. THAT'S NOT TO MEAN THAT WE DON'T NEED TO BE EVALUATING THINGS.
BUT THE PRESSURE IS NOT ON US AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE UNDER PRESSURE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I UNDERSTAND CITY STAFF MIGHT WANT TO RESPOND.
ABSOLUTELY. SO COUNCILMAN ROTH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, BUT I WANT TO DOUBLE BACK TO SOME COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE EARLIER IN RESPONSE TO MISS BLACKMON AND ALSO BASED ON SOME COMMENTS THAT WE HAD WITH COUNCILMAN BAZALDUA, I'M GOING TO LET CHIEF BALL GO FIRST, AND THEN I WANT TO FOLLOW UP AFTER THAT FOR CLARIFICATION.
THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. I'M JUSTIN BALL, DALLAS FIRE DEPARTMENT CHIEF.
YEAH. I JUST WANT TO CLEAR UP THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE EARLIER.
CHIEF, WHAT CHIEF ORTIZ SAID ABOUT THE ABATEMENT ON A LARGE ABATEMENT.
WE DO RELOCATE THE STATION DEPENDING ON THE MAGNITUDE, MAGNITUDE AND SCOPE OF THE ABATEMENT, BUT WE ARE GUIDED BY THE EXPERTS THAT TELL US WHETHER THE MATERIAL'S SAFE OR UNSAFE.
BUT IF WE FEEL LIKE ANYTHING'S HARMFUL TO OUR MEMBERS, WE RELOCATE THEM.
AND IT'S NOT A BIG ORDEAL TO RELOCATE. SO I JUST WANT TO CLEAR THAT UP.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS AND WE'LL GO ON TO ROUND TWO.
I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE TODAY, FOR YOUR FOR YOUR HARD WORK.
OVERALL, I WANT TO SAY THAT I SUPPORT WHAT SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE HAVE SAID ABOUT NEEDING A FULL PICTURE TO REALLY MAKE A FINANCIALLY SOUND DECISION, I THINK. MR. RESENDEZ. MORENO GRACEY. PROBABLY OTHERS HAVE ALL MENTIONED THAT THERE IS A REAL NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE REAL ESTATE MARKET IS IN THE CBD AND HOW IT WOULD PENCIL OUT IN OUR FINANCIAL DECISION IF IT'S A BIG IF THE CITY WERE TO MOVE.
SECONDLY, I'M GOING TO GO ON TO THE PHASES. I MENTIONED IN MY LAST COMMENT A FULL RENOVATION OF THIS BUILDING BECAUSE I DON'T SUPPORT A PHASED APPROACH IF WE CHOOSE TO STAY, BUT WE DON'T COMMIT TO A PHASED APPROACH, IT'S NEVER GOING TO GET DONE.
I WANT TO ASK THE CITY MANAGER A QUESTION, A COUPLE QUESTIONS HERE.
THE FIRST ONE BEING WHY HAVEN'T WE PUT MONEY INTO CITY HALL? AND WHAT HAS OUR RESIDENTS TOLD US IN, IN THE BOND DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THEIR PRIORITIES.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIRMAN WEST, FOR THE QUESTION.
AND SO I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH SIX OF THE FORMER CITY MANAGERS.
THERE WERE COMMENTS MADE LAST YEAR ABOUT THIS BEING A CITY MANAGER PROBLEM.
AND SO I THEN ENTERTAINED THIS CONVERSATION WITH FIVE CITY MANAGERS IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THE TYPES OF OF CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE HAPPENED ABOUT THIS BUILDING IN THE PAST. AND WHAT I FOUND AS THE COMMON THEME IS THAT THERE WERE ALWAYS OTHER PRIORITIES.
THERE WERE ALWAYS OTHER THINGS THAT MATTERED MOST TO OUR RESIDENTS, AND THOSE WERE THE THINGS THAT BECAME THE PRIORITY AND HOW WE LOOKED AT NOT ONLY OUR GENERAL FUND, BUT ALSO IN HOW WE LOOKED AT BOND DOLLARS AND ALLOCATIONS.
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IF I JUST GO BACK TO THE 20, I'VE GOT THE 2024 BOND SURVEY REPORT WHICH WAS CONDUCTED FOR THE MOST RECENT BOND PROGRAM AND WHAT IT SHOWED IS THAT 77% OF OUR RESIDENTS FAVORED STREETS, ALLEYS, SIDEWALKS AND BRIDGES AS THEIR FIRST TOP PRIORITY.THE SECOND MOST IMPORTANT PRIORITY, 59.4%, WAS PARKS.
SO IF I JUST LOOK AT THE TOP PRIORITIES THAT WE RECEIVE FROM OUR RESIDENTS DURING THE MOST RECENT BOND PROGRAM, THOSE WERE THE THINGS THAT WERE IMPORTANT. AND THEN PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES CAME IN FOURTH PLACE.
SO THAT'S JUST THE SUMMATION OF THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE'VE TRIED TO LOOK AT.
HOW DO WE EVEN THROUGH OUR NEW BUDGETING PROCESS THAT WE IMPLEMENTED LAST YEAR ABOUT LOOKING AT PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING, WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES? AND I WILL JUST TELL YOU THAT THE COMMUNITY SURVEY ALMOST IDENTICALLY RESEMBLE WHAT WE ALSO HEARD FROM OUR RESIDENTS AND HOW WE ALLOCATED OUR GENERAL FUND DOLLARS AS WELL. SO THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION AND I HOPE THAT I'VE ANSWERED IT FOR YOU. WELL, YEAH, MOSTLY YOU DID. THANK YOU. DID. HAVE YOU EVER RECALLED SEEING IN THE LAST 5 OR 10 YEARS, CITY HALL BEING ANYWHERE IN THE TOP. TOP TEN? NO. IN FACT, WE HAVE THE ALLOCATION OF FUNDING FOR CITY FACILITIES ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE 2006 BOND PROGRAM.
BUT SINCE 2006, SO ALMOST, LET'S SAY 20 YEARS OF BOND DOLLARS OR BOND PROGRAMS, I THINK THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT'S BEEN ALLOCATED FOR CITY FACILITIES, ALL CITY FACILITIES HAS BEEN TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT 50 MILLION.
DID YOU WANT TO CLARIFY ANYTHING? I THINK SHE WAS PRETTY THOROUGH, BUT YEAH, NO, THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER, FOR THAT QUESTION. WE HAD PROVIDED A MEMO BACK ON NOVEMBER 7TH OF LAST YEAR, SORT OF TALKING ABOUT THE THE FUNDING FOR CITY FACILITIES.
AND, AND AS I LOOK THROUGH THAT, THAT MEMO OF, OF NOVEMBER 7TH, WE HAD ABOUT $2.4 MILLION IN 2026 FOR CITY FACILITIES, INCLUDING CITY HALL.
WE HAD $13.3 MILLION FOR PROPOSITION H IN 2017.
AND THAT HAD HAD MULTIPLE ITEMS, INCLUDING $2.2 MILLION FOR CITY HALL AND SOME ADA IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THEN AND THEN AGAIN IN 2017 WE HAD SOME ADDITIONAL MONEY FOR ADA RESTROOMS, WHICH WE STILL HAVE NOT ISSUED THAT CONTRACT.
BASED ON THE DISCUSSIONS NOW THAT THAT CONTRACT WAS, WAS THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED US TO TO WITHHOLD CONDUCTING THAT WORK IN THE RESTROOMS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ONE THING YOU MENTIONED, MADAM CITY MANAGER, IS THAT PARKS ARE ALWAYS HIGH ON THE LIST.
AND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF BUDGET CONSTRAINTS, WE'RE NOW CLOSING SOME OF OUR POOLS, COMMUNITY POOLS IN THE PARKS ONE OF WHICH IS MINE, MARTIN WEISS POOL, WHICH HAD AN AVERAGE OF 189 DAILY PEOPLE ATTENDING THAT POOL DURING AND FOR THE WHOLE YEAR.
AND IT'S ONLY OPEN A FEW MONTHS. SO IT'S A LOT HIGHER THAN THAT ON A DAILY BASIS.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO RAISE $5 MILLION TO SAVE THAT POOL FOR OUR LOWER INCOME RESIDENTS AND THE MARTIN WEISS AREA, BUT MEANWHILE, WE'RE MAKING WE'RE TALKING TODAY ABOUT PUTTING $1 BILLION OR MAYBE EVEN A FRACTION OF THAT, BUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO THIS BUILDING. AND I RARELY SEE A RESIDENT COME IN HERE OTHER THAN MEDIA AND, AND A FEW PEOPLE TO ADVOCATE ONCE IN A WHILE.
I'M NOT SAYING I'M FULLY ON THE PATH TO LEAVE, MARILLA OR OR TO STAY HERE AT THIS POINT, BUT WE REALLY NEED THE FULL PICTURE OF OUR FINANCIAL, FINANCIAL BASED OPTIONS HERE, INCLUDING WHAT THE MARKET WOULD OFFER US IF WE WERE GOING TO LEAVE.
UNTIL WE HAVE THAT, I DON'T THINK WE CAN ADEQUATELY COMPARE THE COST OF OUR OPTIONS VERSUS FIXING THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE NEED TO FIX FOR THE THINGS THAT OUR RESIDENTS ACTUALLY USE OUR POOLS, OUR LIBRARIES, OTHER ASPECTS THAT ACTUAL RESIDENTS GO TO ON A DAILY BASIS AND RELY UPON FOR THEIR LIVELIHOODS.
SO THAT'S MY POSITION ON THIS. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO ROUND TWO.
HOPEFULLY FOLKS ARE READY TO GO. I WILL ASK THE VICE CHAIR IF SHE'S GOT SOME COMMENTS.
I DO, I DO HAVE A FEW COMMENTS. I WILL KEEP THEM BRIEF.
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AS STEWARDS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS, WE NOW HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF EVALUATING THE COST OF KEEPING CITY HALL AND MAKING THE NECESSARY REPAIRS, OR LEAVING CITY HALL TO FIND NEW SPACE THAT ACCOMMODATES THE GOVERNMENTAL, ADMINISTRATIVE, ADMINISTRATIVE, AND PUBLIC NEEDS OF THE CITY.THE WORK OF MULTIPLE COMPANIES AND THOUSANDS OF HOURS OF INSPECTIONS HAVE GIVEN US A CLEAR, MAYBE NOT PERFECT, BUT A CLEAR PICTURE AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ON MAJOR BUILDING SYSTEMS AND LACK OF PLANNING FOR CAPITAL REPLACEMENTS WHEN WE ACCOUNT NOT ONLY FOR THE DIRECT REPAIR COSTS, BUT ALSO FOR THE FINANCING COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH ISSUING DEBT AND THE EXPENSE OF TEMPORARILY RELOCATING CITY OPERATIONS. THE TOTAL INVESTMENT BECOMES SIGNIFICANT.
THIS IS SIMPLY A THIS IS NOT SIMPLY A FACILITIES DISCUSSION.
IT IS A FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY DISCUSSION. IT CAN'T BE A DECISION BASED ON EMOTION AND SENTIMENT.
THIS IS NOW AN ECONOMIC DECISION BASED ON SOUND FINANCIAL ANALYSIS.
WHAT WE CAN AFFORD, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE BUDGET PRESSURES WE FACE.
WHAT CAN WE AFFORD? EXCUSE ME. IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY.
WHAT CAN WE AFFORD? ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE BUDGET PRESSURES WE ARE FACING.
AND IN REGARDS TO SOMETHING THE CITY MANAGER SAID JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO.
THERE WILL ALWAYS BE OTHER PRIORITIES. THERE ALWAYS WILL BE.
IT WILL BE THE POOL. IT WILL BE PUBLIC SAFETY.
IT WILL BE THE LIBRARIES. AND THAT'S OKAY. WE JUST NEED TO COME TO TERMS WITH THAT.
THANK YOU. CHAIR. THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, THANK YOU.
AND I CERTAINLY CONCUR WITH WHAT CHAIR STEWART HAS SAID.
AND I, I DO AGREE THAT THIS NEEDS A THOUGHTFUL, THOROUGH APPROACH.
AND THE REPORTS WENT UP THIS WEEKEND AND I READ EVERY WORD.
BOY, I HIBERNATED. GETTING THROUGH ALL OF THOSE REPORTS.
SO I THINK WE ARE IN THE DELIBERATIVE PROCESS.
I MEAN, THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST STEP. OR MAYBE IT BEGAN IN NOVEMBER WHEN WE PASSED THAT RESOLUTION.
SO I DON'T NECESSARILY FEEL LIKE IT'S RUSHED.
NOW THAT WE'VE GOT THIS INFORMATION, THE PUBLIC CAN COME IN AND SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS. I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN EMAILING US. SO YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE'RE IN IT NOW. AND SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY RUSHED, BUT WE CAN TAKE IT UPON OURSELVES TO DIG INTO THIS INFORMATION AND AND UNDERSTAND IT.
NOW, THERE ARE SOME KEY QUESTIONS TO ANSWER. I WANT TO KNOW WE NEED TO RESOLVE PHASED APPROACH OR ALL AT ONCE, IF WE WERE TO UNDERTAKE THIS YOU KNOW, TO ME, IT'S NOT SAFE TO STAY IN A BUILDING WHEN ASBESTOS IS DISTURBED AND REMOVED.
AND, MR. JANSEN, YOU CALLED THIS OUT. I THINK YOU HAD EXPERIENCE IN WORKING ON PROJECTS LIKE THIS.
I MEAN, RIGHT NOW THIS INFORMATION IS BASED ON JUST OBSERVATIONS.
BUT YOU ALL CAN SPEAK TO GETTING INTO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AND YOU SEEM LIKE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SHARE AROUND THAT? I THINK YOU'VE UNDERSTOOD OUR POINTS ACCURATELY, SO WE CAN PRETTY MUCH COUNT ON THAT. AND I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE PUTTING OUR CITY STAFF AND THE PUBLIC IN THE BUILDING WHERE THAT'S GOING ON.
NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU COORDINATE OFF, THIS IS A REALLY BIG PLACE.
I THINK UNDERSTANDING AND AGREEING THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT STRUCTURAL ISSUES.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SYSTEMS AND THE IN THE EQUIPMENT AND OUR SPACE NEEDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT MIGHT HELP WITH THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT ABOUT THE CONCRETE WALLS, IT'S ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE GOING ON IN HERE AND HAVING SOME AGREEMENT WITH ALL OF US SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP DWELLING ON THAT, AND WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE CONTENT OF WHAT YOU'VE PROVIDED FOR US.
I THINK ANOTHER THING IS MAKING SURE THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THAT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO BE PAYING FOR MOVE OUT AND ALSO PAYING TO REPAIR. SO WE'VE GOT THIS DUPLICATIVE COST. AND IT'S LOOKING LIKE ACCORDING TO THESE NUMBERS, IT COULD BE $175 MILLION. I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE, RESIDENTS WHO WOULD HAVE SOME OTHER IDEAS ABOUT WHERE TO SPEND $175 MILLION IN THIS CITY. I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY POOLS AND LIBRARIES AND STREETS.
SO I THINK SOME OF THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT CAN COME TO THE FOREFRONT NOW.
AND I DO THINK YOU ALL ARE EXPERTS. AND MISS MCMAHON, YOU SAID THERE HAD BEEN THERE HAD BEEN SOME PRO BONO WORK, BUT YOU SHORED UP THEIR RESULTS. I'D LIKE HER TO ANSWER.
GO AHEAD. YES. WE DID HAVE TWO FIRMS THAT OFFERED TO DO THEIR WORK PRO BONO.
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SCHMIDT AND STACY AND URBAN STRUCTURES. BUT HOW DO WE KNOW THAT? YOU KNOW, DID THEY HAVE THEM? WE WE. BECAUSE THEY WERE BASED ON PRO BONO.AND WE OFFERED TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE COMPENSATION TO THEM.
THEY PREFERRED TO DO THIS, AND THEY HAD TO SIGN A CONTRACT THAT WAS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT ALL THE OTHER PARTICIPANTS SIGNED, WHICH BASICALLY ASKED THEM TO STAND BEHIND THEIR WORK.
ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN JOHNSON. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN WEST.
I DON'T FEEL RUSHED EITHER. I KNOW THAT NARRATIVE WAS BROUGHT OUT THAT EITHER YOU ONE MINUTE YOU WAS RUSHED AND YOU SAID YOU WASN'T RUSHED, AND I DON'T FEEL RUSHED. AS DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM JUST SAID NOT ONLY IS IT HERE IN OUR FINANCIAL COMMITTEE, BUT IT'S ALSO GOING TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE.
I MADE A STATEMENT AND LET MY COMMUNITY KNOW ONCE WE HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS, I'M WILLING AND I'M GOING TO DO A DISTRICT FOUR TOUR TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND BE MORE TRANSPARENT WITH PEOPLE THAT PROBABLY CAN'T GET ONLINE WHILE THEY'RE WORKING AND ETCETERA. BUT I'M GOING TO BRING THIS INFORMATION TO THEM SO THEY'RE WELL AWARE AND EDUCATE THEM ON THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY, IF YOU WILL.
AND MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE IN DISTRICT FOUR THAT ADVOCATED AGAINST PHASING WHEN IT CAME TO THE SCHOOL.
I JUST WANT TO READ THIS. I HAVE A SHORT TERM JUST KIND OF WENT BACK ON SOME THINGS THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ASBESTOS WHAT? IT'S BEST. IT'S MADE UP OF TINY, DOABLE FIBERS WHEN MATERIALS CONTAINING ASBESTOS ARE DISTURBED, CUT, DRILLED AND DEMOLISHED, DAMAGED OR DETERIORATING, THE FIBERS CAN BREAK LOOSE AND FLOAT IN THE AIR.
THEY ARE SMALL. YOU CANNOT SEE. YOU CANNOT SMELL IT.
YOU CANNOT TASTE IT. ONCE INHALED, FIBERS LODGE LODGED DEEP IN LUNGS.
THE BODY CANNOT EASILY BREAK THEM DOWN. THEY CAN REMAIN THERE FOR DECADES.
INFLAMMATION AND CARRYING SCARRING MAY DEVELOP OVER TIME.
THIS CAN LEAD TO LUNG DAMAGE, ETC. AND EVEN CANCER, SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF PHASING.
AND ONCE THINGS GET AIRBORNE, IT'S DANGEROUS.
THAT MEANS THAT YEARS DOWN THE LINE, YOU HAVE MAJOR HEALTH RISKS AND EVEN SOME THAT HAVE HEALTH RISKS HERE, THAT WORK HERE, AND OUR VISITORS THAT COME HERE, IT THE RISK IS TOO BIG.
AND YOU'RE EVERYBODY I KEEP HEARING YOU SAYING YOU'RE PUTTING YOUR YOUR REPUTATION ON THE LINE.
WE SAID THAT WE DID NOT WANT TO HEAR FROM STAFF THAT WAS SAID FROM THIS COUNCIL.
SO WE'RE NOT HEARING FROM STAFF. WE'RE HEARING FROM THE ENGINEERING EXPERTS WHO AGAIN THAT CHAIR RIDLEY EVEN SUPPORTED ONE OF THE BUSINESSES THAT'S WORKING. SO TO SEE THIS AND STILL HEAR A LITTLE CONCERN IS CONCERNING TO ME.
THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM, FOR THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU.
IF WE CAN GET THOSE BACK ON A FRIDAY MEMO. AND THEN ALSO THIS IS A LOT OF INFORMATION TO TAKE IN.
AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY MANAGER AND HER STAFF AND THE TEAM BEFORE US HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO ONE ON ONES WITH THE THE EXPERTS BEFORE US. THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM MORENO, I THINK YOUR QUESTION OR YOUR COMMENT IS WHETHER OR NOT IF THIS TEAM CAN BE MADE AVAILABLE TO COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR ANY INDIVIDUAL CONVERSATIONS.
ABSOLUTELY. I DO AGREE THAT IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION, AS YOU ALLUDED TO, COUNCILMEMBER ROTH, BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO MAKE OURSELVES AVAILABLE THROUGHOUT WHATEVER PROCESS WE WE CONTINUE TO UNDERTAKE TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE'S ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS WE ALWAYS TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FOLLOW UP WITH A FRIDAY MEMO. SO WE WOULDN'T DO THIS ANY DIFFERENTLY AND DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO ENGAGE THROUGHOUT.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE COMMENT AND WE DEFINITELY WOULD SUPPORT THAT. THANK YOU.
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IF WE WERE TO CHOOSE TO STAY AT CITY HALL THIS IS GOING TO BE FOR EITHER DENZEL OR JACK.HOW DO WE FUND THIS? HOW DO WE COME UP WITH ANYWHERE BETWEEN $329 MILLION AND $1 BILLION? HOW HOW WOULD WE FUND THAT? JACK I'M HOPING YOU'RE LISTENING, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO DEFER THIS ONE TO YOU.
THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THANK YOU. JACK GARLAND CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER IT'S REALLY EARLY TO BE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET A GOOD COMPARISON WITH THE OPTIONS.
BUT AS YOU KNOW THE THE CITY'S FINANCES ARE PRIMARILY ONE OF TWO THINGS.
EITHER WE HAVE CASH TO PAY FOR THINGS THROUGH OUR OPERATING BUDGET, OR WE ISSUE DEBT.
AND SO THOSE ARE PRIMARILY OUR TWO OPTIONS THAT WE WILL BE LOOKING AT.
IF WE CONSIDER SOME OF THE OTHER OPTIONS FOR POTENTIALLY RELOCATING, THERE MAY BE OTHER INCENTIVES AVAILABLE TO US, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUNDS OR TIF FUNDS OR OTHERS THAT OWNER FINANCING, OTHER TYPES OF WAYS THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO FINANCE THINGS.
SO THERE THERE'S I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT A PHASED IN APPROACH WITH A BASIC OF THREE, 23, $29 MILLION, $339 MILLION FOR THE FACT THAT I BELIEVE WE HAVE TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE IF WE DECIDE TO GO UNDER THAT DIRECTION.
AND THEN HOW DO WE COVER THOSE EXPENSES IN A IN A BUILDING THAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION? DO WE HALT ALL CONSTRUCTION OR DO WHAT WE CAN AND WHAT COMES WHAT COMES AFTER THAT, RIGHT WHEN WE'RE NOT ABLE TO FULLY FUND THE COMPLETION BECAUSE OUR OBLIGATIONS, OUR DEBTS ONLY.
329. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. AND I SIDE EYED THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, BUT I THINK IT'S BACK TO THEN WHAT BECOMES PRIORITY? MAYOR PRO TEM, I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT I CAN EXPLAIN IT.
I THINK WE'VE BEEN VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT SHARING THAT IN A LOT OF THE BUDGET FORECASTS.
AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE AN UPDATED FORECAST FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR.
WHAT DO WE NOT DO? WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE UP.
AND HOW WE'VE LOOKED AT EVEN GOING FORWARD IN THIS LAST YEAR, WAYS THAT WE CAN ENCOURAGE OUR RESIDENTS TO SPEND THEIR MONEY IN OUR CITY, BECAUSE IT REALLY DOES HELP US OVERALL. BUT WE ALSO KNOW THE PRESSURES THAT WE CURRENTLY FACE AROUND PROPERTY TAX REFORM.
SO THERE'S SO MANY OTHER THINGS THAT I KNOW THAT ARE IN FRONT OF US.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN CONVERSATIONS AROUND WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT CONTINUING TO FUND OUR PARKS, AND HOW ARE WE LOOKING AT LIBRARIES. THOSE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD TRULY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT COUNCIL WANTS US TO DO.
AND REMEMBER, THIS IS NOT THE ONLY FACILITY THAT WE ALSO HAVE CURRENT DEFERRED MAINTENANCE NEEDS.
SO WE WILL BE LOOKING FOR THAT ONGOING GUIDANCE.
THAT WILL DICTATE IF WE'RE AT A TEMPORARY SITE, THEN WE HAVE TO EITHER EXTEND THAT.
I THINK YOU'VE HEARD SOME EXAMPLES ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BUT WE WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN IN COMPLETE ALIGNMENT WITH THE COUNCIL ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD WANT US TO MAKE AS A PRIORITY.
THERE WILL DEFINITELY BE IMPACTS, AND WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO IN MY OPINION, THIS WILL NOT BE AN EASY FINANCIAL PLAN OR PROCESS, BUT THANK I HOPE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. THANK YOU. AND SO LET'S SAY WE WENT WITH AN OPTION OF COMPLETING CITY HALL OVERHAUL WITH ONE POINT PLUS BILLION DOLLARS. AND PUT THIS ON A BOND ISSUANCE. THE NEXT BOND WOULD, IN THEORY, WOULD BE AROUND 2031.
YOU KNOW THIS THE BOND FOR 2024 WAS 1.25 MILLION WITH ABOUT 800 PROJECTS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING. A ENTIRE BOND FOR ONE PROJECT ALONE.
IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? THAT WOULD BE A FAIR ASSESSMENT.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT SOME OF THE THINKING, IF I IF I HAD TO TALK ABOUT RIGHT NOW WHAT WE ANTICIPATE WITHOUT GOING INTO A LOT OF DETAILS, WE ARE HAVING INTERNAL CONVERSATIONS AROUND THE CURRENT FINANCIAL PLAN FOR THE NEW LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING FACILITY.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE LOOKING AT SOME KIND OF A PUBLIC SAFETY BOND PROGRAM.
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OF COURSE, WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU AND LAY THAT OUT FURTHER. BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT WOULD WE WOULD HAVE TO FOCUS ON IF IT IS THE ONLY SINGLE PROJECT, THEN SOME OF THE OTHER NEEDS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WHETHER IT'S ONGOING FUNDING FOR STREET REPAIRS, THOSE THINGS WOULD HAVE TO EITHER FALL, YOU KNOW, FALL BACK, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE DO FIRST AND WHAT WE PUSH A LITTLE BIT FURTHER OUT. THAT'S THE BEST WAY THAT I CAN EXPLAIN THAT TO YOU.CAN SOMEONE ANSWER THAT QUESTION IF. ADA IS ALREADY IN THE IN THE BUDGET AND IF SO, HOW MUCH IS AVAILABLE TO ADDRESS? ADA. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER, FOR THE QUESTION REGARDING ADA. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE DO HAVE DOLLARS IN THE THE BOND PROGRAM FOR ADA COMPLIANCE FOR A SET OF RESTROOMS. BUT THAT IS NOT A FULL ADA FUNDING STRATEGY.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN THE CURRENT PLAN TO ADDRESS ADA ISSUES IN THE FACILITY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN GRACEY, FOR THREE MINUTES.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AND THANK YOU ALL AGAIN FOR FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK ON THIS.
SO AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR SITTING HERE. THANK YOU ALL FOR DOING THE WORK.
SO AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND THEN I'LL JUST SAY TO TO MY COLLEAGUES TO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION. DO WE WANT TO REPAIR CITY HALL OR DO WE WANT TO SAVE CITY HALL? BECAUSE SOME OF OUR ADVOCACY SOUNDS LIKE WE JUST WANT TO SAVE CITY HALL, WHICH IS FINE.
BUT DOES THAT GET US TO WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GO IN THAT WE NEED TO REPAIR THIS BUILDING AGAIN, WHETHER WE STAY OR NOT? OUR CONVERSATIONS SEEM TO BE MOVING TOWARDS EITHER JUST SAVING CITY HALL FOR THE SAKE OF SAVING CITY HALL, BUT REALLY NOT BEING PRUDENT ABOUT WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO COST TO SAVE CITY HALL.
LET'S KEEP MOVING FORWARD TO TO TO DISCOVER THAT I THINK WHAT YOU ALL HAVE PUT TOGETHER IS ENOUGH TO GIVE US A GOOD BASE FOUNDATION TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT NEXT STEP WOULD, COULD LOOK LIKE, WOULD LOOK LIKE, WHETHER THAT'S AGAIN, STAYING OR NOT.
I'M NOT ADVOCATING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. I'M SAYING WE NEED TO FINISH AND RIGHT NOW IT'S INCOMPLETE.
STOP THAT, BECAUSE YOU ALL HAVE DONE THE WORK.
SO I DON'T WANT TO DISCOUNT OR OR BEAT UP ON YOU ALL FOR WHAT YOU ALL PRESENTED TO US.
NOW WE NEED TO ANSWER. DO WE WANT TO SAVE CITY HALL OR DO WE WANT TO RENOVATE CITY HALL? OR DO WE WANT TO MOVE? THAT'S WHAT WE NEED. IN ORDER TO ANSWER ANY ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS, WE HAVE TO FINISH. SO I AM SAYING, MR. CHAIR, CAN WE FINISH AND MOVE FORWARD AND CONTINUE DOING THE ASSESSMENTS, FIGURING OUT WE KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST, BUT WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS TO STAY? WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS TO MOVE? SO THAT IS WHAT I'M SAYING PUBLICLY.
CAN WE PLEASE MOVE FORWARD? THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA THREE MINUTES.
HOW IS CONFLICT OF INTEREST RISK BEING MITIGATED THROUGH THIS PROCESS? PETER, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE STANDARDS FOR BROKERAGE? ABSOLUTELY. SO FIRST OF ALL, ON THE MARKET ENGAGEMENT PIECE, WE'RE ALL LICENSED PROFESSIONALS AND HAVE BOARD OF ETHICS TO REPORT TO.
SO WE 100% STAND BEHIND THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE.
SIMILARLY, OUR COUNTERPARTS ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL TEAM ARE LICENSED PROFESSIONALS AND ARE SUBJECT TO THEIR OWN BOARD OF ETHICS AND LICENSURE REQUIREMENTS, AND THEY STAND BEHIND THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE. I SAID CONFLICT OF INTEREST, NOT ETHICS.
DO YOU WANT TO. CAN YOU? I'M SORRY. I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
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THEIR COMPANIES FROM A SALE OF REAL ESTATE IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, LIKE CITY HALL.I'M ASKING IF THERE WAS ANY OUTSIDE OPINIONS, AS BEEN MENTIONED BY SEVERAL COLLEAGUES HERE, SO THAT WE HAVE AN OUTSIDE OPINION, A THIRD PARTY OPINION THAT DOES NOT STAND TO PROFIT FROM THE SALE OF CITY HALL.
IT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE QUESTION. OKAY, WELL, WAS ANYONE ENGAGED WHO WE WOULD NOT ANTICIPATE TO BE KNOCKING ON THE DOOR TO BE A PART OF THE PROFITING OF A SALE OF CITY HALL? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. OKAY.
THANK YOU. IN ADDITION TO THE THIRD PARTY FIRMS WHO WOULDN'T STAND TO FINANCIALLY BENEFIT, HAS THE THIRD PARTY PEER REVIEW BEEN CONDUCTED OUTSIDE OF THIS CONSULTANT TEAM? NO. IF NOT, THEN WHY ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE COMFORTABLE PROCEEDING WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN? WELL, THESE ARE ALL CREDIBLE ORGANIZATIONS THAT I'M NOT QUESTIONING.
CREDIBILITY. OKAY. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO GO FOR THIS ZERO SUM APPROACH.
AND WHAT I'VE HEARD OTHER COLLEAGUES SAY, I WAS ELECTED TO ASK TOUGH QUESTIONS AND TO REPRESENT THE TAXPAYERS OF THIS CITY, AND I RESPECT THAT. I THINK IT'S FAIR. I'M NOT QUESTIONING YOUR INTEGRITY.
I'M NOT QUESTIONING YOUR I THINK THAT EVERYONE WORKS FOR A COMPANY.
YOU WANT TO MAKE MONEY FOR YOUR COMPANY. YOU SHOULD HAVE NO FAULT AT THAT.
BUT I'M ASKING FOR SOME OBJECTIVITY. I THINK ALL OF THESE CONSULTANTS OPERATE UNDER METHODOLOGIES THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THEIR INDUSTRIES, AND THEY FOLLOW PROCESS AND STANDARDS THAT ARE BASED ON THOSE INDUSTRIES. SO I THINK THAT'S THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, SIR. I'D LIKE TO JUMP IN FOR JUST A SECOND IF I COULD.
AND I DO APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA.
THAT'S WHAT I'M QUESTIONING IS THE AND THAT IS THE REASON WHY THIS BODY ASKED FOR US TO HAVE THIS WORK DONE BY OUTSIDE FOLKS THAT ACTUALLY HAVE EXPERTISE, AND THAT'S THE TEAM THAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU. WE BELIEVE BASED ON THE DATA AND BASED ON THE ASSESSMENT THAT'S BEEN CONDUCTED BY THIS TEAM, WE WOULD NOT BRING SOMETHING TO THE COUNCIL THAT EVEN I DID NOT SUPPORT OR BELIEVE THAT IT'S FACTUAL AND IT'S BEEN DONE THROUGH AN OBJECTIVE LENS.
SO THIS TEAM HAS DONE THE WORK THAT WE'VE REQUIRED OF THE THINGS THAT WE ASK THEM TO DO.
THEY ASSEMBLED, THEY CAME AND SUPPORT. THESE ARE DALLAS BASED COMPANIES FOR I THINK, THE MAJORITY OF THE COMPANIES, I THINK ALL OF THEM ARE DALLAS BASED COMPANIES WHO HAVE REPUTATIONS FOR DOING GOOD WORK IN OUR CITY.
CORRECT. HOW DOES SELLING CITY HALL IMPROVE RESPONSE TIMES, PUBLIC SAFETY, SANITATION, CODE COMPLIANCE OR INFRASTRUCTURE DELIVERY FOR OUR RESIDENTS? THAT'S NOT WITHIN THE SCOPE OF OUR WORK. I'M NOT ASKING YOU.
OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THE QUESTION IS HOW DOES SELLING, IF THAT'S A SUGGESTION THAT YOU'RE SELLING THE BUILDING, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US? YES.
SO I GUESS I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THE CONTEXT OF THE QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING US. HOW DOES SELLING THE BUILDING, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE A COST TO SELL THE BUILDING, HOW THAT WOULD HELP. DO WHAT AGAIN? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT OF THE QUESTION, SO WE ANSWER IT CORRECTLY.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD PREFER ME TO WORD IT, BUT WITH WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING HERE TODAY, HOW WOULD THAT IMPROVE RESPONSE TIMES, PUBLIC SAFETY, SANITATION, CODE COMPLIANCE OR INFRASTRUCTURE DELIVERY FOR OUR RESIDENTS? SO SO IT WOULD DEPEND. CITY MANAGER I'M NOT I THINK WE'RE GETTING BEYOND THE POINT OF BEING GERMANE.
THIS IS TALKING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RESPONSE TIMES. NO.
THE QUESTION THERE SHOULD BE A FISCAL IMPACT.
NO, IT WASN'T ABOUT RESPONSE TIMES. YOU WERE JUST WALKING BACK IN HERE FROM OUTSIDE OF THE CHAMBERS, MR. CHAIR. YOU JUST. THAT WAS ONE OF SEVERAL EXAMPLES THAT I ASKED ON HOW IT WOULD IMPACT THE CORE SERVICES THAT WE DELIVER AT THE CITY.
I THINK TO THE EXTENT THAT IT'S ABOUT THE FINANCIAL.
THAT'S ALL I WAS ASKING. THAT MAKES SENSE. SO THE WAY I WILL ANSWER THAT QUESTION IS THAT DEPENDING ON WHAT A SALE AMOUNT WOULD BE, WHICH THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BEFORE US AT THIS POINT, NOR DO WE HAVE THAT DIRECTION FROM THIS BODY THAT ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT WOULD COME FROM A SALE COULD POTENTIALLY BE USED TO HELP US, WHETHER IT'S THE HIRING OF ADDITIONAL OFFICERS, WHETHER IT'S ADDITIONAL CODE COMPLIANCE, ADDITIONAL SERVICES ACROSS THE CITY.
BUT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE FACTORED IN BASED ON THAT DECISION.
AND HOW THEN WE LOOK AT OUR BUDGET, WE LOOK AT THE CURRENT BUDGET PRESSURES THAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT,
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AND ARE THERE THINGS THAT WE WOULD WANT TO CONTINUE TO ENHANCE? WE KNOW YEAR OVER YEAR THAT THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS GOES UP, WHETHER IT'S INCREASE IN OUR SALARY DOLLARS, THERE ARE BENEFITS. THINGS HAPPEN EVERY SINGLE YEAR.AND WITH SOME WAYS THE WAY THE TAX BASE MOVES UP AND DOWN.
SO WE WOULD DEFINITELY BE LOOKING AT WAYS TO CONTINUE WITH ALL OF THE EFFICIENCY WORK THAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS IN MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN ADDRESS WHAT THOSE CORE NEEDS ARE AND THOSE CORE SERVICES THAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE ASKING US FOR.
WITHOUT DATA TO SUPPORT WHAT WE COULD SELL THIS BUILDING FOR, JUST AS YOU MENTIONED WHEN I FIRST ASKED THE QUESTION, IT'S REALLY HARD FOR US TO GO INTO THE DETAIL THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED ON WHAT IT COULD ACTUALLY BENEFIT, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON. I JUST HAVE A CLOSING STATEMENT. IF YOU LET ME MAKE IT WITH MY LAST MINUTE AS WELL, PLEASE GO FOR IT. THANK YOU. YEAH, GUYS, THIS ISN'T ABOUT WHETHER CITY HALL NEEDS INVESTMENT.
WE KNOW IT DOES. IN FACT, I TRIED TO SPEARHEAD THAT EFFORT ALREADY.
UNSUCCESSFULLY. WHAT THIS IS ABOUT IS WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE BEING GIVEN A COMPLETE, UNBIASED, APPLES TO APPLES ANALYSIS BEFORE MAKING $1 BILLION DECISION ON BEHALF OF OUR RESIDENTS.
RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A RENOVATION NUMBER BUILT ON A ROUGH ESTIMATE WITH A WIDE MARGIN OF ERROR.
WE HAVE FINANCING INCLUDED ON ONE SIDE OF THE LEDGER, BUT NOT CLEARLY PRESENTED ON THE OTHER.
WE HAVE FULL VACANCY ASSUMPTIONS WITHOUT TRANSPARENT MODELING OF PHASED ALTERNATIVES, AND WE HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS SHAPED BY FIRMS THAT STAND TO BENEFIT FROM RELOCATION OR REDEVELOPMENT. THAT SHOULD CONCERN EVERY ONE OF US, REGARDLESS OF WHERE YOU ULTIMATELY LAND ON THE NOSTALGIA OF THIS BUILDING, SELLING CITY HALL WILL NOT IMPROVE RESPONSE TIMES.
IT WILL NOT FILL THE POTHOLES ANY FASTER. IT WILL NOT MAKE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ANY SAFER.
IT WILL NOT ENHANCE THE CORE SERVICES OF OUR RESIDENTS THAT THEY RELY ON EVERY SINGLE DAY.
OUR OBLIGATION IS TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC'S TRUST AND THEIR TAX DOLLARS BEFORE WE ABANDON A PUBLIC ASSET, WE OWE DALLAS RESIDENTS INDEPENDENT VALIDATION, REFINED NUMBERS AND A TRULY COMPARABLE LONG TERM FINANCIAL ANALYSIS.
IF WE CAN'T DEFEND THE MATH TRANSPARENTLY, THEN WE SHOULDN'T DEFEND THE MOVE.
WE WERE ELECTED TO IMPROVE LIVES, NOT MOVE BUILDINGS.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN BLACKMON FOR THREE MINUTES.
THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. OKAY. GETTING INTO.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHO IF IT'S JACK OR DONZELL, BUT THE ON PAGE 40.
THE 20 YEAR OCCUPANCY EXPRESS RANGE. ARE ALL THESE NUMBERS THAT ARE PRIOR TO THE FINANCING, THE INTEREST RATE PAYMENT ARE THOSE. DO THOSE ALL QUALIFY FOR BOND DOLLARS? GOOD AFTERNOON. ON PAGE 40 STARTING AT FACILITY CONDITIONS.
ASSESSMENT REPAIRS DOWN THROUGH PROJECT COST AND CHANGE CONTINGENCY.
IT'S JUST THE ORDER THAT THEY'RE ON THE PAGE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO PAY 300 MILLION FOR EVERYTHING ABOVE THE TEMPORARY.
SO EVERYTHING ABOVE THE TEMPORARY RELOCATION TOTALS 494 TO 593 MILLION.
AND WE'RE GOING TO PAY 300 MILLION ON INTEREST.
WE'RE GOING TO PAY BETWEEN 300 AND 360 MILLION IN INTEREST.
THAT'S BASED ON 5% INTEREST RATE OVER 20 YEARS AT LEVEL DEBT.
WE ACTUALLY GOT ABOUT 4% IN NOVEMBER WHEN WE SOLD BONDS.
SO THOSE NUMBERS WOULD BE REFLECTIVE OF THE ACTUALS WHEN WE SOLD THE DEBT.
BUT 5% IS THE PLANNING. AND SO THAT MOVING COST OF 20 MILLION IS YOU SAID IS ELIGIBLE IS I'M SORRY, ELIGIBLE FOR GRANT MONEY. THE AMOUNT AMOUNT GRANT MONEY BOND MONEY.
SO COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT IS OUR ANNUAL MAINTENANCE COST OVERALL FOR FOR BUILDINGS AND THEN SPECIFICALLY FOR THE ONE AT CITY HALL? YOU SAID THE MAINTENANCE BUDGET. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. SO HOW MUCH? YES. SO HOW MUCH IS OUR MAINTENANCE BUDGET AND THEN HOW MUCH IS IT SPECIFICALLY
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FOR THIS BUILDING? SO CITY HALL DOES NOT HAVE A SPECIFIED DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR REPAIRS.JOHN, IF YOU'RE HERE, CAN YOU COME PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION? I DON'T I DON'T HAVE IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD RIGHT NOW. OKAY.
GOOD EVENING, JOHN JOHNSON. SO FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, FOR OUR ANNUAL OPERATING MAINTENANCE BUDGET, WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY $4.7 MILLION FOR FISCAL YEAR 24.
THAT NUMBER WAS 5 MILLION EVEN. AND FOR FISCAL YEAR 23, IT WAS 5.5.
SO WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A BUDGET. WE DON'T HAVE A MAINTENANCE. WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ONE.
WHAT IS THE GOING RATE? AND IT GETS VERY DIFFICULT TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THIS, BUT ROUGH, ROUGH ORDER OF MAGNITUDE RANGES RIGHT HERE. WHAT IS THE GOING RATE? BASE RENT, EXCLUDING ALL OPERATING EXPENSES. JUST GIVE ME THE GOING RATE.
I DON'T KNOW, JUST. WHAT IS IT? IS IT $200 A SQUARE FOOT? IS IT. NO. IS IT 200 MILLION FOR NINE YEARS? WHAT? TELL ME WHAT IT IS. BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE ARE FORGETTING THAT WE STILL HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE.
YEAH, AND THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
OPERATING EXPENSES ARE, GENERALLY SPEAKING, 10 TO $15 A SQUARE FOOT FOR A BUILDING.
AND THEN YOUR RENT IS A SUBJECT, OF COURSE, TO NEGOTIATION AND COMPETITION.
BUT IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT THE RATES IN DALLAS FOR CLASS B OR CLASS A SPACE RANGE ANYWHERE FROM $15 A FOOT TRIPLE NET, UP TO $30 A FOOT TRIPLE NET FOR I THINK SPACES THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU HAVE TO FACTOR IN PARKING COSTS.
PARKING COSTS CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM $5 A FOOT TO $9 A FOOT.
BUT THOSE ARE GENERALLY THE RANGE. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT FREE.
YES. OKAY. SO I THINK I THINK EVERYBODY JUST REALIZED I MEAN, I CLOSED THE LIBRARY SO I GET THE WHOLE DISCUSSION ABOUT, OH MY GOSH, WE CAN'T CLOSE THINGS. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I WAS WITH BAZALDUA IN THAT SUPPORTING OF THAT ONE BECAUSE PEOPLE PAY THEIR WATER BILL HERE.
PEOPLE COME UP HERE TO MEET WITH US. THEY COME FOR OUR COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, EVENTS.
AND IT JUST I THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE A THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION.
AND I DO WANT IT. APPLES TO APPLES, I THINK IT'S THE DATA IS GOOD, I APPRECIATE IT.
BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE IS YOU KNOW, A FEW MORE STEPS BEFORE WE DECIDE WHAT WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND SO I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO BE SEEING A LOT OF EACH OTHER IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN BLAIR, DO YOU HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS? SURE. THANK YOU, CHAIR, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO WHAT WE HAVE DONE AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE AND WITH WITH WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
SO CAN YOU TELL ME, SINCE THE THE REPORTS DISCUSS THE 20 YEARS MOVING FORWARD? CAN CAN YOU GUYS TELL ME HOW MUCH MONEY HAS BEEN PUT IN CITY HALL FOR MAINTENANCE OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS? FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THAT THAT NUMBER AVAILABLE.
I SEE, I SEE SOMEONE ELSE IS WALKING UP TO ANSWER.
BUT IN 2006 BOND PROGRAM, THERE WAS A THERE WAS A LINE ITEM THAT WAS ACTUALLY FOR ALL CITY FACILITIES, AND THERE WAS A DESIGNATED AMOUNT FOR CITY HALL. AND DEV CAN CONFIRM THAT WE HAVE A CHART THAT ACTUALLY SHOWS THAT.
AND THEN IN THE 20 2012 BOND PROGRAM, THERE WERE $0 PERIOD.
AND THEN IN 2017 THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL FUNDING AMOUNT.
AND THEN IN 2024 THERE WAS ZERO FOR CITY HALL SPECIFICALLY.
SO OVER THE COURSE SINCE 2006 WITH BOND PROGRAMS, THERE'S BEEN A TOTAL OF ABOUT 16 POINT,
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I WANT TO SAY 16.4 MILLION. THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED FOR CITY HALL TOTAL, ABOUT 54 MILLION FOR ALL CITY FACILITIES DURING THAT 20 YEAR PERIOD. AND THAT WAS BASED ON BOND PROGRAMS. SO BASED ON THESE BOND PROGRAMS, YOU'RE TELLING ME OVER 20 YEARS, WE'VE ONLY SPENT 16 MILLION. THAT'S LESS THAN $1 MILLION A YEAR.IS THAT CORRECT? BASED ON BOND DOLLARS THAT WERE ALLOCATED SPECIFICALLY FOR CITY HALL, AND THE EXACT NUMBER IS 16.4 MILLION AND TOTAL FOR CITY FACILITIES SINCE 2006 HAS BEEN 52.91 MILLION OVER THAT PERIOD FOR CITY FACILITIES FOR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.
SO YOU'RE SAYING 2012 AND 2024 $0 IN THE BOND PACKAGE WAS ALLOCATED TO THE MAINTENANCE OF CITY HALL. YES, MA'AM. IN THE 2020 2012 BOND PROGRAM, THERE WAS NO FUNDING FOR CITY HALL IN THAT BOND PROGRAM, AND IN THE 2024 BOND PROGRAM, THERE WAS NO MONEY FOR CITY HALL.
SO THE 16 DON'T GO. THE 16 MILLION HAD TO COME FROM EITHER 2006 AND 2017, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. IN 2006, THE ACTUAL AMOUNT WAS 99.4 MILLION.
THAT WAS FOR THE 2006 BOND PROGRAM. AND IN THE 2017 BOND PROGRAM IT WAS 7 MILLION.
SO THAT'S HOW WE GET TO THE 16.4. NOW, I WORKED ON THE 2024 AND I WAS AN ECHO DEV.
AND IN THE BOND PACKAGE. I KNOW MONEY WAS ALLOCATED IN THAT BOND PACKAGE COMING FROM THE COMMITTEE TO CITY HALL. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MONEY WHEN WE GOT TO CITY HALL? SO IN DECEMBER OF 2023, THROUGH THE ACTUAL BOND TASK FORCE, THERE WAS A BRIEFING TO CITY COUNCIL.
THE RECOMMENDED AMOUNT IN THAT BRIEFING WAS 24.6 MILLION.
THAT WAS DECEMBER 6TH, 2023. THERE WAS ANOTHER BRIEFING THAT ALSO HAPPENED IN JANUARY 19TH OF 2024, WHERE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS 44.4 MILLION FOR CITY FACILITIES, WITH 28 MILLION BEING FOR AN ACTUAL CITY HALL.
AND SO IT WAS THERE ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL JANUARY 31ST, 2024, WHEN AMENDMENTS WERE MADE TO WHAT HAD BEEN RECOMMENDED BY THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE. AND AT THAT POINT, THE DECISION WAS MADE FOR CITY HALL TO BE REMOVED.
AND SO THE ONLY FUNDING THAT WAS ALLOWED FOR CITY FACILITIES AFTER THAT WAS FOR CITY.
CITY FACILITIES WERE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, I.T., HOMELESS, LIBRARY AND CULTURAL AFFAIRS.
BUT THAT WAS NOT FUNDING DESIGNATED FOR ANY OTHER FACILITIES OUTSIDE OF THAT GROUP.
SO. SO LET ME MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS.
IN THE 2024 BOND PACKAGE, MONEY WAS ALLOCATED FROM THE COMMITTEE.
THE 28 MILLION WAS REMOVED. YES, MA'AM. WHERE DID IT GO? WHERE DID IT GO? GO AHEAD AND SAY IT. WHERE'D IT GO? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. I WAS NOT THE CITY MANAGER IN 2024 WHEN THIS TOOK PLACE.
BUT IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WAS SUPPORT FROM THIS COUNCIL THAT THOSE DOLLARS COULD BE BETTER USED BY PUTTING THEM INTO THE INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS TO TAKE CARE OF PRIORITY PROJECTS. AND SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
AND THAT WAS THE DECISION THAT WAS MADE. I REFERENCED JANUARY 31ST.
THAT WAS THE STRAW VOTE. AND THEN THAT VOTE WAS CONFIRMED WHEN THE WHOLE BOND PROGRAM WAS APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL ON FEBRUARY THE 7TH, 2024. SO LET ME ASK ANOTHER QUESTION. COUNCIL, I MEAN CITY MANAGER OR STAFF AND ALL OF THE SURVEYS WE'VE DONE ABOUT PRIORITIES. WHERE WAS THE PRIORITY FROM THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS FOR CITY HALL? BASED ON THE ORDER OF PRIORITIES, CITY HALL RANKED THIRD FROM THE BOTTOM.
IT WAS THIRD FROM THE BOTTOM. SO BASED ON THE SURVEY WE DID FROM THE BOND PROGRAM, THE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME, I WOULD ASSUME ME NOT BEING THERE WOULD HAVE LOOKED AT IT BEING RANKING THIRD FROM THE BOTTOM, AND FELT THAT MAYBE THE MONEY COULD HAVE BEEN.
IT WAS REALLOCATED TO THEIR OWN INTO EACH COUNCIL MEMBERS DISCRETIONARY MONEY.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. I MENTIONED EARLIER, I THINK BEFORE YOU REJOINED THE MEETING,
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THAT BASED ON THE TOP THREE PRIORITIES, THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY WAS STREETS, ALLEYS AND THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE FOR OUR ACTUAL STREET IMPROVEMENTS.BUT THOSE WERE THE TOP THREE. AND THEN NUMBER FOUR WAS PUBLIC SAFETY.
PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES. SO NOW I'M JUST GOING TO ASK A RHETORICAL QUESTION. AND WE WONDER HOW WE GOT HERE. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER ROTH, FOR THREE MINUTES.
THANK YOU. GOING TO GOING TO PAGE 40 ON YOUR YOUR OCCUPANCY EXPENSE.
I JUST WANTED SOME CLARIFICATION ON ON HOW THE NUMBERS WERE ESTABLISHED.
ARE YOU BASING YOUR NUMBERS HERE BASED ON A 800 ZERO ZERO ZERO SQUARE FOOT BUILDING OR ON A 500,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, WHICH NUMBERS SPECIFICALLY THE EXPENSE RANGE, GENERALLY FOR YOUR EXPENSE RANGES? YEAH. SO THE EXPENSE RANGE CAPTURES THE CURRENT SIZE OF CITY HALL, WHICH IS ABOUT 800,000FT².
IT'S CONSIDERABLY LESS THAN THAT 771,000 FOR THE FCA.
SO, YES, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE PARKING GARAGE OF AN ADDITIONAL 800,000FT².
THAT'S CORRECT. THE PARKING GARAGE IS ROUGHLY AN ADDITIONAL 750,000FT².
SO THE GROSS BUILDING AREA IS PUSHING 1.6 MILLION.
AND THEN ON THE UNDER THAT 20 YEAR OCCUPANCY EXPENSE RANGE, THERE'S A LINE ITEM TOWARDS THE BOTTOM THAT SAYS OPERATING EXPENSES FOR 20 YEARS OF 2277 MILLION. WHAT IS THAT FOR? IS THAT.
SO IS THAT WHY WOULD THAT BE IN YOUR OCCUPANCY EXPENSE FOR SORT OF THIS IS FOR OCCUPANCY.
WE HAVE THAT 277 MILLION. IT'S 27 MILLION OVER.
IS THIS A 20 YEAR OR A TEN? THIS IS 20 YEARS.
THIS IS OVER 20 YEARS. RIGHT. AND I THINK JOHN JUST SAID, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT'S ABOUT $4.5 MILLION OF OPERATING EXPENSES IN THE BUILDING, PLUS SECURITY COSTS TO BE HERE. SO THOSE ARE AVERAGED OUT AND THEN SUMMED UP OVER 20 YEARS.
OKAY, WITH THAT NUMBER. THOSE NUMBERS ARE ALREADY IN OUR OPERATION ANYWAY.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT OPERATION OF THIS BUILDING REGARDLESS.
IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS, IS THAT IT'S IT'S THIS IS NOT REALLY RELATIVE TO THE REMODEL AND THE AND THE AND THE COST OF RENOVATION AND MODERNIZING THE BUILDING. THAT'S AN OPERATIONAL COST THAT WE ALREADY HAVE BAKED IN TO OUR TO OUR BUDGET ANYWAY.
COUNCIL MEMBER. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. THAT WOULD INCLUDE WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE FUNDED IN OUR OPERATING BUDGET, BUT GROWING IT INFLATING IT OVER THE 20 YEAR PERIOD.
SO IN ALL THE SCENARIOS THEY'VE DONE, THEY'VE THEY'VE USED THE SAME TYPE OF ANALYSIS.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE INTEREST EXPENSE THAT YOU WERE FACTORING ON WAS BASED ON A 500.
WHAT WAS THE 5% INTEREST ON A 20 YEARS ON WHAT ON WHAT PRINCIPAL AMOUNT? ON WHAT PRINCIPAL AMOUNT? SO THE RANGE IS ROUGHLY IT WAS 494,000,500.
593 SO $500 MILLION IS WHAT YOU'RE BASING IT ON.
YES, SIR. AND SO THAT OKAY. THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.
SO WE WERE CONSERVATIVE IN THAT APPROACH. BUT WE WERE CONSISTENT ACROSS ALL OF OUR COMPARISONS.
THAT WOULD BE THE PRINCIPAL COST. THAT WOULD BE AMORTIZED OVER THAT.
YES, SIR. OKAY. AND THE. AND THEN SO THE THE THE COST OF OF THE JUST TO UNDERSTAND IT AND AGAIN,
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THESE ARE ROUGH NUMBERS. I'M NOT TRYING TO TO PIN YOU DOWN ON ANYTHING BUT.SO THE FACILITIES ASSESSMENT REPAIRS AT 329 WOULD BE ROUGHLY $400 A SQUARE FOOT ON AN 800,000, JUST FOR ROUND NUMBERS. THE INTERIOR COSTS WOULD BE ABOUT 140.
THE FURNITURE AND FIXTURES WOULD BE AND CABLING WOULD BE ANOTHER 90 PER SQUARE FOOT.
AND SO THAT SORT OF TELLS YOU THAT YOU'RE BUILDING COSTS ARE GOING TO BE REALLY ABOUT SIX, ABOUT 400 PLUS ANOTHER 200. SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABOUT $600 A SQUARE FOOT FOR THE RENOVATION COST TO BRING IT UP TO SPEED FOR A THE PHYSICAL STRUCTURE, WHICH INCLUDES NEW FURNITURE AND FIXTURES FOR THE VARIOUS OFFICES, ALSO COUNCIL MEMBER, THAT'S YOUR TIME. BUT IF YOU WANT HIM TO ANSWER THAT, THAT'S FINE.
OKAY. I THINK THAT'S DIRECTIONALLY ACCURATE. DO YOU? I THINK THE COUNCIL MEMBERS MATH IS DIRECTIONALLY ACCURATE.
THANK YOU BILL. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER DO YOU WANT TO USE YOUR LAST MINUTE NOW? THAT'LL BE FINE. I'M I'M REALLY PLEASED WITH THE THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT YOU ALL HAVE MADE.
I REALLY STILL WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THIS GROUP TO, TO REALLY GIVE US TIME TO DELVE INTO THE FINANCIAL PART OF THIS BEFORE WE PROCEED TO MOVE THIS, THIS SITUATION FORWARD TO A COUNCIL HEARING OR BRIEF.
AGAIN, I'M NOT ON THE COMMITTEE, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE A SLOWDOWN OF THIS PROCESS AT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU. I'LL GO TO CHAIRMAN JOHNSON FOR ONE MINUTE.
THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN WEST. COLLEAGUES, LET'S BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THIS MOMENT IS AND WHAT IT IS NOT.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT NOSTALGIA AND REGRET. THIS IS NOT ABOUT ATTACHMENT TO A BUILDING.
AS CHAIR OF THE GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE, I AM OBLIGATED TO FOLLOW DATA, NOT EMOTIONS.
AND THE DATA IS CLEAR. THE REALITY WE CANNOT IGNORE.
DALLAS CITY HALL IS FACING STRUCTURAL, SYSTEMIC, DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.
AND THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE MODERNIZATION, TECHNOLOGY UPGRADES, ADA COMPLIANCE, OR TEMPORARY RELOCATION OR GOING BEYOND THE WALLS WHEN YOU ACCOUNT FOR EVERYTHING REQUIRED TO BRING THE BUILDING UP TO STANDARD AND CODE.
WE ARE APPROACHING $1 BILLION. AND WHAT DO WE GET FOR $1 BILLION? NO ADDED VALUE, NO NEW REVENUE, NO ECONOMIC RETURN, JUST CORRECTION OF FAILURE.
THAT IS NOT INVESTMENT. THAT IS REMEDIATION. I SAID THIS BEFORE.
I'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE. AND WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM THANK YOU.
ASKING TOUGH QUESTIONS IS PART OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY, AND WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY DO THAT.
I HOPE MY COLLEAGUES CAREFULLY REVIEW AND STUDY THE ASSESSMENT AND THE ASSOCIATED COSTS.
I LOOK FORWARD TO A ROBUST PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT HEARING.
THOUGHTFUL FEEDBACK AT OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE MEETING.
THANK YOU CHAIR. THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, FOR ONE MINUTE.
IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO MAJOR MAINTENANCE. SO THERE'S YOUR IRONY.
MR. GIBSON? SHOULD ANY OF THESE PEOPLE WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN ANYTHING WITH A NEW CITY HALL, WOULD THEY HAVE TO LAWFULLY WOULD WE LAWFULLY PROCURE OUR VENDOR? YES, MA'AM. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY, SO THERE'S NO THUMB ON THE SCALE. THESE ARE CREDIBLE PROFESSIONALS WHO HAVE SIGNED CONTRACTS TO DO THIS BUSINESS AND BRING US OBJECTIVE INFORMATION. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, WHEREVER WE GO, WHETHER WE GO SOMEWHERE ELSE OR WHETHER WE REHAB AND REPAIR THIS BUILDING, CITY HALL IS NOT GOING TO GIVE UP THE PUBLIC SPACE I FEEL LIKE I'M HEARING SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
AND WE'RE HERE TO HEAR IT ALL. WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE A PLAZA THAT IS OPEN AND WELCOMING.
IT IS WHERE PEOPLE EXPRESS THEIR RIGHTS. IT IS WHERE WE HAVE FOOD TRUCKS AND FESTIVITIES.
AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NOT EVER WANT TO LET GO OF.
I CAN'T IMAGINE ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES EVER WANTING THAT TO HAPPEN.
SO THESE THINGS WON'T GO AWAY. THEY'LL PROBABLY BE BETTER WHETHER IT'S HERE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE.
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BUT THAT IS THE CORE OF HOW THIS BUILDING AND THE PEOPLE IN IT INTERACT WITH THE RESIDENTS.AND SO I JUST DON'T WANT ANYONE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL ALWAYS BE PART OF THIS CITY.
THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN BLAIR, DO I HAVE THREE MINUTES? ONE. YEAH. WHAT DO YOU NEED? THREE. TAKE YOUR THREE.
AND TAKE YOUR GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE ONE TWO IF YOU NEED IT. SO AND OKAY OKAY.
AND I WAS ONE OF THOSE WHO SAID NO. I WAS LISTENING TO MY MY RESIDENT RESIDENTS, AND I WAS LOOKING AT ALL THE HUNDREDS OF EMAIL I GET EVERY DAY ABOUT SAFE CITY HALL. THEN WE HIRED PROFESSIONALS TO LOOK AT CITY HALL, AND I AND I SPENT MY BIRTHDAY YESTERDAY READING A 800 PAGE DOCUMENT.
AND THAT'S HOW I SPENT MY BIRTHDAY. SO HERE. HERE IS WHAT I SEE BASED ON WHAT I I'VE HEARD.
I'M HARD PRESSED TO SAY, HOW DO WE TAKE SOMETHING AND REPAIR IT WHEN, WHEN WE IF WE REPAIR SOMETHING? THE ANALOGY I WOULD USE IS THIS I STRIPPED MY KITCHEN DOWN TO THE BONES BECAUSE I NEEDED A REMODEL, AND ONCE I REMOVED ONE THING, I FOUND SOMETHING ELSE.
AND ONCE I REMOVED THE NEXT THING, I FOUND SOMETHING ELSE.
AND BY THE TIME I WAS, I STARTED OUT WITH A $3,000 ESTIMATE.
I SPENT $20,000 IN MY KITCHEN BECAUSE ONCE I STRIPPED ONE THING, I HAD TO STRIP SOMETHING ELSE.
ONE DAY I WALKED IN AND THERE WAS NOTHING IN MY KITCHEN BUT THE STUDS AND THE FLOORING.
MY HOUSE IS NOT THE SAME AS CITY HALL. AND IF WE.
AND IF I DID THAT AND AND I WAS GRACIOUS ENOUGH, I HAD NEW WINDOWS.
SO I GUESS I'M GOING TO TAKE MY EXTRA MINUTE TOO.
SO I LOOKED AT THAT AND I LOOKED AT THE REPORT AND I SAID, CITY HALL IS MUCH LIKE MY HOUSE.
ONCE YOU START STRIPPING AND STRIPPING AND STRIPPING, AND BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THE CORE, THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THIS IS NOT WOOD, IT'S CONCRETE, CONCRETE AND AND REBAR.
AND ONCE YOU GET TO THAT, THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO IS BLOW IT UP.
THE ONLY YOU CAN'T DO, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR STRIP AND RE AND REBUILD.
STRIP AND REBUILD. THERE THERE IS NO STRIP AND REPAIR.
NO. FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, YOU HAD NO LOVE FOR.
LET'S LOVE OURSELVES AND TAKE CARE OF OUR HOUSE.
AND. AND EVEN IF THAT MEANS AFTER RE LOOKING AT ALL THESE NUMBERS AND ALL THESE FIGURES AND HIDDEN COSTS THAT WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED HERE, AND DISCUSS IT LATER TO MAKE A REAL DECISION AS TO WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. FOR ONE MINUTE I'LL TURN IT OVER TO VICE CHAIR.
STEWART. OKAY. VICE CHAIR STEWART HAS A MOTION.
ARE YOU READY FOR IT? I THINK WE'RE READY. I DO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
GO FOR A WALK. GO FOR A RUN. GO SIT DOWN WITH A GLASS OF WINE AND SOMEBODY YOU LOVE AND GO, OH MY GOSH, YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT THEY SAID.
ANYWAY, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT. OKAY. THEY WILL.
ALRIGHT. MOTION FOR THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. I MOVE THAT THE FINANCE COMMITTEE RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE CONDITION OF CITY HALL ONE. DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO MOVE 311911 AND EMERGENCY OPERATIONS TO NEW GOVERNMENT CENTER LOCATIONS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE TWO. DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO PURSUE OPTIONS TO RELOCATE ALL OTHER CITY HALL STAFF AND FUNCTIONS TO NEW GOVERNMENT CENTER LOCATIONS, AND DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO PURSUE OPTIONS FOR REDEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY HALL SITE.
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SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
SO THIS WILL NEXT GO TO CITY COUNCIL. AND IF COUNCIL ADOPTS THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATIONS, THIS COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS.
FIRST, IN COORDINATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER, CBRE EXPEDITIOUSLY NEGOTIATE WITH PROPERTY OWNERS AND IDENTIFY ONE FINALIST PROPERTY OPTION FOR THE RELOCATION OF 311911 IN EMERGENCY OPERATIONS, AND BRING THE PROPOSAL TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION AT THE EARLIEST AVAILABLE DATE. TWO THE CITY MANAGER LAUNCHED A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT SURVEY TO POLL RESIDENTS TO DETERMINE WHICH ATTRIBUTES AND CHARACTERISTICS ARE IMPORTANT ARE OF IMPORTANCE TO THE COMMUNITY IN A REIMAGINED GOVERNMENT CENTER.
THREE IN COORDINATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER, CBRE, NEGOTIATE WITH PROPERTY OWNERS AND DETERMINE A LIST OF FINALISTS PROPERTY OPTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION BY THIS COMMITTEE. THE RESULTS OF THE SURVEY WILL INFORM THOSE SELECTIONS FOR THE CITY MANAGER DETERMINES SOURCES OF POTENTIAL FUNDING FOR THE PROPOSED FINALIST OPTIONS DETERMINED BY CBRE.
AND SIX. DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO UPDATE THIS COMMITTEE REGULARLY ON THE STATUS OF ACTIONS TWO, THREE AND FOUR, WITH THE NEXT BRIEFING TO OCCUR NO LATER THAN MAY OF 2026.
I'LL JUST ASK STAFF IF IF THAT'S CLEAR, ANY CONFUSION WITH THAT? THAT'S A THUMBS UP. OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY A COUPLE THINGS? CITY MANAGER? NO, WE ARE CLEAR. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND THEN I'LL JUST CLOSE THIS ITEM BY. I WASN'T GOING TO SAY THIS, BUT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING I APPRECIATE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SAYING ABOUT OUR CONSULTANTS WHO ARE UP HERE TODAY ARE MAJOR FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES THAT ARE WELL RESPECTED IN DALLAS AND AND NATIONALLY, IN SOME CASES INTERNATIONALLY. AND WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR DOING BUSINESS WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS NOW AND IN THE FUTURE.
AND, AND PEOPLE GET CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.
AND WE KNOW YOU GUYS ARE PROFESSIONALS, SO THANK YOU.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE WE'RE GOING TO SKIP EVERYTHING ELSE COLLEAGUES, EXCEPT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM K. WE'LL LET FOLKS START CLEARING OUT.
CHAIR, I HAVE A MOTION. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR MOTION.
SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS, COLLEAGUES ON THIS ITEM? NO. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. WITH THAT BEING SAID, IT IS 6:53 P.M., AND THIS SPECIAL CALLED MEETING OF THE COMMITTEE ON FINANCE IS ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.