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[Landmark Commission on March 2, 2026.]
WELCOME TO THE BRIEFING FOR THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION.IT IS MARCH 2ND, 2026 AND 9 37, AND I'M CALLING THIS BRIEFING TO ORDER.
ELAINE, COULD YOU PLEASE DO A ROLL CALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS? DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS.
COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY PRESENT, DISTRICT THREE.
COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN PRESENT, DISTRICT FOUR.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR PRESENT, DISTRICT SIX.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON AND COMMISSIONER REEVES.
LET'S SEE, FOR OUR BRIEFING, LET'S HAVE OUR, UM, DESIGNATION COMMITTEE ACTIVITY UPDATE FROM COMMISSIONER PREZI.
UM, SO THIS PAST MONTH, UH, WE HAD TWO, UH, CASES THAT WE WERE WORKING ON.
UH, ONE IS THE, UH, SHAQ, UH, OUR NAME IS ROAD, WHICH IS GONNA BE COMING BACK, UH, COMING TO US TODAY FOR RE-INITIATION.
BUT WE WENT THROUGH THE DESIGNATION, UH, REPORTS, UH, AND CRITERIA FOR THAT.
UH, AND THEN OF COURSE WE ALSO CONTINUED TO WORK ON CITY HALL, UH, WORKING THROUGH THE DESIGNATION REPORT AS WELL AS, UH, WELL SPENDING THE MOST TIME GOING THROUGH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA, UH, SECTION OF THAT, UH, SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE, UH, BRINGING THAT FORWARD.
SO WE ARE DILIGENTLY WORKING ON, UH, CITY HALL TO GET IT BACK TO, UH, LANDMARK COMMISSION.
COMMISSIONER PREZI AND I HAVE A REQUEST OF STAFF.
I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO DO THIS, BUT COULD YOU LET US KNOW WHAT INITIATIONS, UM, AND FINAL REPORTS, WHAT FINAL REPORTS WE'VE APPROVED AND SENT ON TO CPC THAT HAVEN'T YET MADE IT TO THEIR FINAL DESTINATION?
'CAUSE I, I KEEP GETTING ASKED ABOUT WHETHER WE HAVE A BACKLOG OF THINGS AND, UM, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT WHEN PEOPLE ASK ME QUESTIONS.
DOES ANYBODY NEED TO REUSE THEMSELVES FROM ANYTHING TODAY? WOW.
MUCH, MUCH MORE, MUCH SIMPLER FOR US TO MANAGE OUR DAY.
RE REGARDING THE CONSENT ITEMS, DO, DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS OF STAFF? I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, UH, C 6 1 0 5 NORTH WILLAMETTE.
THERE'S SOME TASK FORCE QUESTIONS.
HAVE THEY BEEN ADDRESSED IN THE, THE DOCKET OR ARE THEY STILL AT LARGE? YES, AND ACTUALLY I'VE SPOKE TO THIS A APPLICANT ON FRIDAY, AND IF THIS WASN'T ALREADY ON THERE, WE WOULD END UP DOING IT AS A ROUTINE BECAUSE HE'S MADE ALL THE, MET ALL THE CONDITIONS THAT WE WANTED.
SO TECHNICALLY IT'S A ROUTINE AT THIS POINT.
'CAUSE HE'S CHANGED EVERYTHING.
UM, WE JUST HAVE TO READ IT IN CODE WAS ALREADY ON THE AGENDA.
AND THE OTHER ONE I HAVE IS C 7 3 0 7 NORTH WILL THAT SAME THING.
THERE WERE TASK FORCE CONCERNS.
HAVE THEY BEEN ADDRESSED ALSO? YES.
SO THAT ONE, THE, UM, THEY DID REDO THEM AS WELL AS THE, UM, OTHER THAN THE LOCK COVERAGE, IT'S IN THERE, BUT WE'RE OUT.
BUT YES, HE HAS RED, UH, EVERYTHING.
THE ONLY THING IS THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO, UH, RE WAIT A MINUTE.
THIS MIGHT RESUBMIT FOR A CD, WHICH THEY WILL FOLLOWING MONTH.
COMMISSIONER SMITH, THE COURTESY REVIEW ITEMS. UM, DO WE NEED TO RECUSE OURSELVES FROM THAT? IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT MAY BE A CONFLICT, UM, IT IS BEST BECAUSE THEY WILL EVENTUALLY COME BACK TO US AS ACTUAL REQUESTS.
AND IT'S, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PRETEND IT NEVER HAPPENED
SO I JUST WANT TO, I WANNA MAYBE ASK, DO, DO YOU HAVE AN THING? DO I WANT TO, OH, I DIDN'T SEE
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WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WOULD MEAN THAT I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF? I HAVE A, I JUST SAW A NEIGHBOR, A FRIEND, MASTERMIND GROUP PERSON, UH, THAT I, AND I THINK HE'S ALREADY MENTIONED THIS TO ME LONG AGO, SO I WANT TO JUST KIND OF GO ON RECORD AND, AND MAYBE SURE.SO THERE'S REALLY A CONFLICT IF YOU ONLY HAVE A FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY OR IF YOU HAVE A, IF YOU WORK FOR AN ENTITY THAT HAS A FINANCIAL OR POTENTIAL FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY.
SO IF YOU'RE A CONTRACTOR, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHO MAYBE WORK ON THAT PROPERTY, THAT COULD BE A CONFLICT.
IF YOU OR YOUR SELF, YOU OR YOURSELF, IF YOU OR YOUR WIFE OR A SPOUSE OR, UH, SOMEONE WITHIN ONE DEGREE OF FAMILY OWNS AN INTEREST PROPERTY, THAT'D PROBABLY BE A CONFLICT AS WELL.
IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO WHETHER YOU THINK YOU CAN DO IT, UM, MAKE AN UNBIASED DECISION.
OR, OR IF YOU LIVE 200 FEET, I THINK TO THE PROPERTY IS ANOTHER ONE.
WITH THE IDEA THAT IT'S, IT'S ITS FUTURE MIGHT AFFECT HOW THE WEALTH OF YOUR PROPERTY MIGHT HAVE CHANGED THE VALUE.
I'VE NEVER FELT THAT ANY OF THEM WOULD CHANGE THE VALUE OF MY PROPERTY.
IT'S, IT'S ULTIMATELY UP TO YOU HOW COMFORTABLE YOU HAVE TO DECIDE.
UM, BUT IF, LIKE, IF THERE WASN'T ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION, WHICH WE URGE AGAINST, RIGHT.
UM, HOWEVER, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU HAPPEN TO JUST KNOW ABOUT THE PROPERTY, AS LONG AS YOU SHARE IT WITH THE WHOLE GROUP, IT'S THEN IT'S NOT PRIVATE WITH YOU.
ANY FURTHER CONCERNS ABOUT CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS? OKAY.
NOW WE HAVE SEVERAL COURTESY REVIEWS TODAY AND WE DON'T USUALLY GO OVER THEM IN BRIEFING, BUT DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COURTESY REVIEW ITEMS THAT YOU NEED TO HEAR FROM STAFF AHEAD OF TIME? WE CERTAINLY HOPE THAT THERE WILL BE SPEAKERS HERE FOR ALL OF THEM THAT WE CAN DISCUSS THESE THINGS WENT.
THIS IS GONNA BE THE WORLD'S SHORTEST BRIEFING.
WE SHOULD HAVE STARTED EVEN LATER.
OKAY, SO DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER ONE.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1201 MAIN STREET.
IT'S ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER AS WELL AS LOCALLY LISTED.
THERE ARE TWO REQUESTS FOR THE PROPERTY.
THE FIRST IS FOR EXTERIOR REHABILITATION OF THE SOUTH PRIMARY ELEVATION, WHICH INCLUDES REMOVAL OF TWO EXISTING ALUMINUM ENTRY MARQUEES AND REPLACING THOSE WITH ONE CENTRAL ENTRY MARQUEE.
ALSO, THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE VEHICULAR DROP OFF TO LEAD UP THAT LEADS UP TO THAT CENTRAL MARQUES.
THE OTHER REQUEST IS THEY WANT TO ALTER THE FENESTRATION ON THE GROUND FLOOR, WHICH WILL INCLUDE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING REVOLVING DOORS AND SWING DOORS WITH EITHER NEW FIXED GLAZING OR NEW VESTIBULE THAT OPEN OUT INTO THE ARCADE.
AND BASICALLY THEY WOULD BE REDUCING THE NUMBER OF ENTRANCES FROM SIX TO THREE.
RECOMMENDATION ON THE FIRST REQUEST REGARDING THE, UH, MARQUI, THE REMOVAL OF THE TWO MARQUIS ON THE EAST AND WEST END OF THE SOUTH ELEVATION AND HAVING A CENTRAL MARQUE IS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON REPLACING THE REVOLVING DOORS WITH SWING DOORS OR FIXED STOREFRONT UNITS IS DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE APPROVAL ON THE FIRST ONE REGARDING THE MARQUEES AND THE VEHICULAR DROP OFF, UH, APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS FOR THE SECOND REQUEST FROM THE TASK FORCE REGARDING THE REPLACEMENT OF THE DOORS.
IN TERMS OF PRIOR CASES THAT HAVE COME BEFORE US, THEY CAME BEFORE THE LANDMARK COMMISSION IN DECEMBER.
AT THAT TIME, THEY WERE ASKING TO, UH, CREATE A NEW OUTDOOR PATIO DINING AREA IN THE EAST PLAZA OFF OF FIELD STREET.
AND THEY WERE ALSO ASKING AT THAT TIME TO REPLACE THE MARQUE AGAIN ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION OF THE MAIN BUILDING WITH A NEW CENTRAL MARQUE.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEN AND NOW, WHEN THEY CAME BEFORE THE LANDMARK COMMISSION IN DECEMBER, THEY HAD A THREE STORY MARQUEE.
NOW THEY'VE REDUCED IT DOWN TO A ONE STORY MARQUEE.
THIS IS A LOCATION MAP SHOWING THAT IT'S BASICALLY A SUPER BLOCK BETWEEN FIELD STREET AND GRIFFIN STREET AND TO THE SOUTH SIDE WHERE THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF THE PRIMARY FACADE IS.
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THE NORTH IS ELM STREET.THIS IS, UH, BASICALLY A RENDERING OVER HERE, A RENDERING OF THE NEW ONE STORY.
MARQUE IS GOING TO HAVE TWO PLANTERS ANCHORING IT ON THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT.
ALSO THE COVERING IS GOING TO BE FIBER CEMENT.
THEY DIDN'T USE THE WORD HARDY BOARD.
THEY USED FIBER CEMENT IN THEIR PRESENTATION TO THE TASK FORCE.
OVER ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN, YOU SEE THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWING OF THE CENTRAL MARQUE, AND IT DOES ALIGN WITH THE GRID PATTERN OF THE MAIN TOWER OF ONE MAIN PLACE.
THIS SHOWS THE PROPOSED CHANGE IN FENESTRATION.
SO OVER HERE YOU SEE THAT THERE ARE RE REVOLVING DOORS ON THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT BOTH ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND THE NORTH SIDE, AND THAT THERE'S A TOTAL OF SIX ENTRANCES OVER ON THIS SIDE.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED CHANGE THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING.
NOTE THE, UM, REVOLVING DOORS WILL BE GONE.
THEY WILL BE REPLACED WITH STATIONARY, EITHER WELL STATIONARY STOREFRONTS, AND THEN ALSO YOU'LL SEE THAT YOU'RE DOWN FROM SIX ENTRANCES TO THREE AND THEY'RE PROPOSING VESTIGE THAT STICK OUT INTO THE ARCADE.
WITH RESPECT TO COMPLIANCE REGARDING THE DRIVEWAY, BASICALLY IT NEEDS TO BE A AGGREGATE, CONCRETE OR STONE TO MATCH THE EXISTING MATERIALS OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS IN THE INTERNATIONAL STYLE AND MADE OF AGGREGATE CONCRETE.
UH, WITH RESPECT TO LANDSCAPING, IT NEEDS TO BE APPROPRIATE AND NOT OBSCURE ANY SIGNIFICANT VIEWS.
NOW, THE REVOLVING DOORS THAT THEY ARE PROTECTED AND THEY ARE TO BE RETAINED, THE ARCADE IS ALSO PROTECTED.
AND THE PROPOSAL, THE NEW VESTIBULE WILL STICK OUT INTO THE ARCADE AT LEAST THREE FEET, SEVEN INCHES.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE DOOR'S BEING CLOSED.
SO WHEN THE DOOR, THE SWINGS DOORS ARE OPEN, I THINK IT'S AT LEAST SIX FEET INTO THE ARCADE.
ALSO, IT SAYS, UH, ANY MARQUES STRUCTURES MUST BE SELF-SUPPORTING.
NOW THE APPLICANT DOES SAY THAT THE NEW CENTRAL MARQUES IS CENTRAL SUPPORT OR IS SELF-SUPPORTING, BUT I DIDN'T SEE THE SPECS FOR HOW IN HIS PACKAGE.
NOW IT'S RESPECT TO THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS.
THE REMOVAL OF HISTORIC MATERIALS OR ALTERATION OF FEATURES THAT CHARACTERIZE THE BUILDING SHOULD BE AVOIDED.
ANY DISTINCTIVE FEATURES, FINISHES AND CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUES SHOULD BE PRESERVED.
UH, STANDARD NINE, ANY NEW WORK SHOULD BE DIFFERENTIATED FROM THE OLD AND SHALL BE COMPATIBLE.
AND NUMBER 10 BASICALLY SAYS IF A NEW FEATURE IS REMOVED IN THE FUTURE, THE REMAINING HISTORIC MATERIAL SHOULD BE UNIMPAIRED.
AND WITH RESPECT TO THE DALLAS CITY CODE, IT JUST BASICALLY SAYS ANY CHANGES THAT ARE MADE TO AN EXISTING HISTORIC STRUCTURE SHOULD NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THAT STRUCTURE OR THE DISTRICT OR FUTURE PRESERVATION AND MAINTENANCE RECOMMENDATIONS.
STAFF ON THE FIRST REQUEST REGARDING THE MARQUEES APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS, THE CONDITIONS BEING THAT THE MARQUEES STRUCTURE BE SELF-SUPPORTING AND FULLY REVERSIBLE.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS WITH RESPECT TO THE DRIVEWAYS AND WALKWAYS, THAT'LL BE ADDED FROM THE NEW DROP OFF THAT THEY NEED TO BE OF EXPOSED AGGREGATE CONCRETE OR STONE.
AND THEN THE PLANT MATERIAL IN THE PLANTERS THAT WILL ANCHOR THE CENTRAL MARKET NEEDS TO BE NATIVE TEXAS PLANTS AND BASICALLY GROUND COVER SO IT DOESN'T OBSCURE THE BUILDING.
WITH RESPECT TO THE SECOND REQUEST REGARDING THE, UH, ALTERATION OF FENESTRATION STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
UH, THE REVOLVING DOORS, THEY ARE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE AND THEY ARE PROTECTED AS WELL AS THE ARCHAIC STEP.
NO TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED ON THE MARQUEES.
AND REGARDING THE NEW EXTERIOR VEGETABLES, BASICALLY IT WAS A APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
THE CONDITION BEING THAT THE APPLICANT INCREASED THE CLEAR WALKING PATH THROUGH THE ARCADE WHEN THE DOORS ARE OPEN.
SO THEY DID PUSH THE EXTERIOR VEGETABLE BACK SOME, BUT LIKE I SAID, THE VESTI STILL STICKS OUT THREE FEET, SEVEN INCHES.
AND THEN WHEN YOU ADD THE DOOR, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A NEW SIX, SIX FEET INTO THE ARCADE QUESTIONS.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF, IF ANY COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF HAS GOOD KNOWLEDGE OF THE, UM, HOW, HOW REVOLVING DOORS FUNCTION AS FAR AS ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND KEEPING
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THE TEMPERATURE SEPARATE.I BELIEVE THAT'S PART OF THEIR CONCERN.
SO I WOULD LIKE YOU TO RAISE THAT THIS AFTERNOON.
NOT NOW, THIS AFTERNOON WITH WHOEVER COMES TO SPEAK ON THIS, BECAUSE THAT IS APPARENTLY THEIR REASONING FOR WANTING TO GET RID OF THESE THINGS WHICH ARE PROTECTED UNDER THE ORDINANCE.
THEREFORE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A REALLY GOOD REASON.
I ALWAYS THOUGHT THEY WERE EFFICIENT, BUT WHAT DO I KNOW? SO SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS WILL SHARE THAT THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS? YES.
THIS IS UNDER, UM, NATIONAL REGISTER.
IS IT NOT? HAS THIS BEEN SUBMITTED? AND IS THERE ANY COMMENTS? UM, NO, BECAUSE THEY DON'T SEE, WE ASKED THEM WERE THEY REQUESTING TAX, UH, CREDITS AND AT THIS TIME THEY SAID NO.
SO HAVE THEY, THEY HAVEN'T SUBMITTED THIS TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER.
I HAVE A A QUESTION ABOUT, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGES TO THE, THE FRONT FACADE CHANGING CANOPIES AND THINGS, BUT ARE THE CANOPIES THAT ARE THERE, WERE THEY THERE IN 1968? I DON'T THINK SO BECAUSE IT SHOWS LIKE A REHABILITATION IN 2017 AND IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A PART OF THAT.
SO I'M NOT SURE THAT THE CANOPIES WERE THERE.
WHAT ABOUT THE, UM, THE, THE ONE MAIN PLACE SIGN? THE, THE BIG BLOCK LETTERS ON THE PRI BILL? THAT WILL BE NEW? NO, THERE THERE'S AN EXISTING SIGN ON THE FRONT FACADE, VERY PROMINENT.
WHICH I THINK IS THE CHARACTER FINDING FEATURE OF THE BUILDING AND THEY JUST NEED THINK THAT IT'S TIME TO GO.
I I, I DON'T KNOW THIS BUILDING HISTORICALLY WHAT WAS ACTUALLY THERE, BUT THAT ONE MAIN PLACE, BIG BLOCK LETTERS IS I THINK A PRETTY BIG DEAL.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? YEAH.
KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S JUST THAT ON THE FRONT FACADE OF THE BUILDING, THERE'S BIG BLACK LETTERS.
VERY IN YOUR FACE KIND OF A DEAL.
IS IT ABOVE WHERE THEY'RE PLACING THE CENTRAL MARQUE? YEAH.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND THE PICTURE AND GIVE YOU THE PAGE NUMBER 27.
YOUR NUMBER ARE DIFFERENT FROM MINE.
WELL IT IS, IT'S SHOWN ON PAGE NOW.
I MEAN, WELL SOMEBODY JUST GO TO GOOGLE AND LOOK IT UP.
YEAH, IT'S ON PAGE 3 33 OF THREE OF, OF THE PRESENTATION.
IT JUST SEEMS TO, I ALMOST ASSUME THAT THAT WAS AN ORIGINAL SIGN AND IT, IT KIND OF HITS THAT 1968.
I'LL CHECK THE ONE THEY'RE DEPICTING ABOVE THEIR NEW ENTRANCE IS NOT THE SAME, NOT THE SAME SIZE.
I MEAN THEY'RE, THEY'RE CHANGING, THEY'RE PUTTING NEW SIGNS ON, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS THAT, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING A, A CONVERSATION FOR THIS AFTERNOON.
LIKE YEAH, PERHAPS THAT SIGN COULD EVEN BE REUSED IN JUST MM-HMM.
BE CAREFUL NOT TO TAKE OFF ORIGINAL SIGNAGE AND THE SIGNS THEY ARE PUTTING ON ARE NOT APPROPRIATE IN MY OPINION.
THEY'RE VERY DESIGNER ESQUE AND, UH, IT'S NOT RIGHT.
I MEAN, WELL, YEAH, YOU SHOULD ASK THEM ABOUT THAT THIS AFTERNOON AND STAFF WILL CHECK TO SEE IF WE KNOW THE YEAR OF ORIGIN, IF THAT.
I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ON PAGE 3 31, THE NEW WESTIN CANOPY.
IT'S GOT THAT KIND OF BLAST HALO AT THE TOP.
AND I'D LIKE TO DEFER TO SOME OF MY ARCHETYPE FRIENDS HERE THAT ARE A LITTLE MORE ASTUTE ON CON ON 1968 ARCHITECTURE.
BUT I THINK THE WESTIN CANOPY WITH THE HALO IS CONTEMPORARY, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY 1968 TO ME.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS LIKE A HOUSE AND YOU'RE PUTTING PRAIRIE FEATURES ON IT.
THIS, YOU HAVE TO PUT 1968 FEATURES ON NOT JUST CONTEMPORARY STUFF THAT THEY LIKE BETTER DOES THE SIGNAGE.
AND THIS CANOPY DOES NOT CALL HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND HE CALLS CONTEMPORARY NEW AND GLITZY.
AND I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE DON'T THROW
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THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER.MAKING THIS MORE CONTEMPORARY, WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS REALLY BEAUTIFUL.
BUT IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT IS PERIOD.
AND I ALSO THINK THAT THE, UM, THE, UH, REVOLVING DOORS ARE PART OF THAT CHARACTER.
I MEAN, WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL THAT WE DON'T LOSE THE CHARACTER OF THIS BUILDING WITH THIS REMODEL.
COMMISSIONER REEDS, I'M FAIRLY FAMILIAR WITH THIS BUILDING BECAUSE WHEN IT OPENED, MY HUSBAND WOKE THERE.
AND IF THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A HOTEL, YOU'D BE HARD PRESSED TO GET YOUR SUITCASES.
SO THE, THE REVOLVING DOORS THAT WERE ORIGINAL, IT, IT'S ALREADY A HOTEL.
IT IT'S AN, IT'S AN EXISTING HOTEL WITH THE REVOLVING DOORS.
ARE THERE ONLY REVOLVING DOORS OR REVOLVING DOORS ON REGULAR DOORS? 'CAUSE OFTEN THERE ARE REGULAR DOORS ON THE
THERE'S LIKE REGULAR DOORS ON THE SIDES OF THE REVOLVING DOORS.
AND IN THE ORDINANCE IT SAYS IF IT BECOMES A HOTEL, THE ORDINANCE IS A BIT OLDER, BUT IF IT BECOMES A HOTEL, THEY CAN CHANGE OUT THE OLDER REVOLVING DOORS OR REVOLVING DOORS WITH SIDE DOORS THAT ALLOW BAGGAGE THAT ACCOMMODATE BAGGAGE.
SO WHAT A CLEVER ORDINANCE TO HAVE ALREADY THOUGHT OF OUR CONCERNS.
DO YOU HAVE COMMISSIONER RENO? OKAY, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, COULD YOU SCOOT YOUR SIGN OVER SO I CAN SEE WHAT HIS MICROPHONE IS LIT UP? YOU RIGHT IN THE WAY IT JUST MOVE IT TOWARDS THE, TOWARDS YOUR LEFT MR. ANDERSON.
YOUR SIGN? YEAH, NOW I CAN SEE IT.
SEE THEY ALL HAVE NO, NO
UH, JUST WANNA MAKE A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS FROM THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN GIVEN TO US.
IS THAT ON, UH, IT'S LABELED AS PAGE THREE 30, ITEM 12.
UH, AND THEN ON THE DOCUMENT ITSELF, IT'S CALLED PAGE 27, UH, AND THAT PHOTOGRAPH WAS TAKEN IN 2014.
IT HAS A DIFFERENT SIGN FROM THE ONE FROM 2017.
SO IT HAS BEEN CHANGED OVER TIME.
SO I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT IT, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT INFORMATION ALREADY INCLUDED ON OUR DOCKET.
AND THE SECOND QUESTION THOUGH IS, UM, SO THERE WAS A, A MENTION OF THE, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION TO BE, UH, FIBER CEMENT PANEL IS PANEL CORRECT? THE, THAT WE, YEAH, THAT WAS THE WORD THAT WE, SO, UM, I DIDN'T SEE ANY DETAILS FOR THAT.
CONSTRUCTION GENERALLY PANEL, UH, FIBER CEMENT PANELS ARE ABOUT A QUARTER OF AN INCH THICK IF THAT.
AND SO I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE CORNERS AND THE WATER, UH, TIGHTNESS OF IT.
UM, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE WAS ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED BESIDES WHAT WE HAVE.
THE ONLY OTHER INFORMATION GIVEN ON THAT, BECAUSE I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT THE SUB SUPPORTING PART, BUT ON THE, UH, THIS PARTICULAR DRAWING, THAT LITTLE DIAGRAM TO THE RIGHT THAT JUST TALKS ABOUT HOW THIS SUPPOSED TO BE A GUTTER SYSTEM AROUND IT AND WHY THAT
YEAH, I I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE CRITICAL OF WE TO APPROVE THIS SUBMISSION.
UM, THE LAST THING AS I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE HISTORY THAT WAS INCLUDED OF THE ENTIRE SUPERBLOCK DESIGN.
ALRIGHT, ANY MORE ON THIS ONE? OKAY.
AND I, I PRESUME THAT THEY WILL BE SENDING THEIR DESIGNERS OR SOMEONE TO SPEAK TO US.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THE SPEAKER YET.
WELL, THEY'D BE FOOLS NOT TO SO YOU CAN TELL THEM I SAID THAT
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 35 21 OUN STREET.
IT'S IN QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, IT'S GOING TO BE NON-CONTRIBUTING BECAUSE THE REQUEST IS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
SO THE REQUEST IS FOR A PRE-DESIGN CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT INTERIOR.
LOT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS WERE APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS AND TASK FORCE.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE SO IT WAS NO FORUM, BUT THOSE THAT WERE THERE WERE SUPPORTIVE.
AND THAT'S THE LOT AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN TO THE RIGHT IN TERMS OF WHERE IT'S LOCATED.
IT'S LOCATED NEAR LATIMER AND ATLANTA STREETS, I THINK.
I DIDN'T GET THAT RIGHT, BUT IT'S, IT'S ON LATIMER STREET.
AND THEN DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN, THAT'S WHAT, JUST FOR CONTEXT, IT SHOWS YOU WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE LOT WE'RE REFERRING TO.
SO EVERYTHING AROUND IT IS BASICALLY ONE STORY COTTAGE OR BUNGALOW.
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THIS IS THE CONTEXTUAL SITE WHEN THEY HAD TO MOVE IT BACK A LITTLE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PARK IN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK.AND THEY FELT AS IF THEY DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR A DRIVEWAY GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
SO THEY'RE PROPOSING TWO RIBBON DRIVEWAY SIDE BY SIDE COMING UP TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
OKAY, SO THIS IS THEIR FRONT ELEVATION AND THEIR REAR ELEVATION.
SO THEY'RE PROPOSING A PYRAMID STYLE ROOF, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY COMMON IN QUEEN CITY, ESPECIALLY AMONGST THE EARLIER HOMES.
UH, YOU SEE AN EXAMPLE TO YOUR RIGHT ON DAY DAY OF DEATH STREET.
UH, IT'S GOING TO HAVE A TWO THIRDS FRONT PORCH WITH A FRONT GABLE PROJECTION.
ALSO GOING TO HAVE UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL THOSE RAFTER TAILS, EXPOSED RAFTER TAILS.
AND THEN THIS IS THE REAR AT THE BOTTOM.
WE ALSO ADDED LOTS OF WINDOWS.
WE APPRECIATED THAT AT TASK FORCE.
SO THIS IS THE LEFT ELEVATION AND THEN THIS IS THE RIGHT ELEVATION.
IN TERMS OF ROOFING, THEY'VE CHOSEN AN ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLE.
THE COLOR IS GOING TO BE WEATHERED WOOD FOR EXTERIOR SIDING.
THEY'VE CHOSEN 1 0 5 ALL WOOD HORIZONTAL LAP SIDING FOR WINDOWS.
THEY ARE CHOSEN AN ALUMINUM CLAD, SO I'LL HAVE TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THAT.
THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, UH, ALL ALUMINUM ONE OVER ONE FOR DOORS SINCE IT'S NOT A CRAFTSMAN.
THEY CHOSE A SIMPLE SIX PANEL FRONT DOOR WITH NO TOP LIGHTS.
AND THEN FOR COLORS, THEY CHOSE A WARM BEIGE BY SHERWIN WILLIAMS AS WELL AS A HAMMERED SILVER FOR THE TRIM.
AND THEN THIS IS SOME OF THE HOUSES ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE STREET.
AGAIN, ONE STORY AS THE ONE BEING PROPOSED.
UH, THIS IS JUST THEIR EXTERIOR MATERIALS ON THEIR MATERIAL SHEET.
IT JUST SHOWS YOU THEIR 1 0 5 SIDING, THEIR ROOFING, THEIR DOOR, THEIR 1 0 1 WINDOW.
IT ALSO SHOWS THEIR PROPOSED RIBBON DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE BRUSH FINISHED CONCRETE AND IT SHOWS SOME OF THEIR TRIM AND THEIR COLORS AND THEIR PORCH COLUMN.
WITH RESPECT TO COMPLIANCE, UH, SINCE THIS IS UM, NEW CONSTRUCTION, WE WENT WITH THE, UH, SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES WITH TREATMENT OF HISTORIC PROPERTY WITH BA, WHICH BASICALLY SAYS WHEN IT COMES TO SETTING OF A DISTRICT OR A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU NEED TO PRO PRESERVE IMPORTANT VIEWS OF VISUAL RELATIONSHIPS.
AND THAT WHATEVER YOU INTRODUCE INTO THAT ENVIRONMENT NEEDS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT'S ALREADY THERE AND MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OR MILIEU.
WITH RESPECT TO OUR ORDINANCE, IT JUST BASICALLY SAYS IF IT'S NON-CONTRIBUTING, THEN IT NEEDS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, WITH THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT RECOMMENDATIONS, STAFF APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
THE CONDITIONS BEING THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A FREEZE BOARD ON ALL ELEVATIONS AND ABOVE THE PORCH COLUMNS.
THE WINDOWS NEED TO BE ALL ALUMINUM, NOT ALUMINUM CLAD.
THE RIBBON DRIVEWAYS, THERE SHOULD BE A THREE FOOT SETBACK BETWEEN THE EDGE OF THE DRIVEWAY AND THE FRONT PORCH FROM LANDSCAPING.
AND THEN THE FOUNDATION HEIGHT NEEDS TO BE A MINIMUM OF 12 INCHES ABOVE GRADE.
THERE ARE SOME HOUSES ON THAT BLOCK THAT ARE BASICALLY NO MORE THAN ONE STEP AND THEN ONTO THE PORCH.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION OR NOT RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE IT, WE DIDN'T HAVE A PLUM, BUT THEY WERE SUPPORTIVE.
THEY JUST RECOMMENDED THAT WHATEVER THE LANDMARK COMMISSION SAID DURING THEIR COURTESY REVIEW, THEY NEEDED TO ABIDE BY THAT IN THEIR CURRENT PLANS.
QUESTIONS, UM, I WAS WONDERING IF WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'VE MADE THAT, THAT COURTESY REVIEW.
UM, OKAY, LET'S IF AT ALL POSSIBLE I WILL GUESS.
I THINK I MADE THEM BUT I DON'T REMEMBER.
DID YOU WRITE 'EM DOWN ON A MOTION SHEET? NO.
DID WE SUBMIT? I DIDN'T WE SUBMIT? NO, I DON'T THINK WE DO FOR CURRENCY REVIEW.
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UP DURING NOT HAVING ONE MOVE ADVANCE BEDS, MENTATION PORCH COLUMN SIZES.SO HE DID THROW UP TO EIGHT INCHES ON THAT.
UM, 'CAUSE IT WAS A LOT CLEANER THE FIRST TIME HE BROUGHT IT BEFORE US.
AND THEN HE DIDN'T QUITE KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THE, UH, DRIVEWAY BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR YEAH.
I THINK I'M REMEMBERING A SIMILAR ONE.
PROBABLY THAT WE MADE RECOMMENDATIONS.
'CAUSE WE WERE, I AND I, I CAN'T REMEMBER.
UM, I THINK WE HAD TALKED ABOUT LEAVING THAT LIKE A THREE FOOT GAP BETWEEN THE CONCRETE TO, TO HAVE A PLANTING STRIP THERE.
UM, THERE IS ANOTHER HOME ON THE SAME STREET THAT'S VERY SIMILAR WITH A HIP RUG AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, RAPTOR TAILS AND SO FORTH.
UM, MAYBE WE JUST, I CAN SUGGEST THAT ONE WHEN WE COME UP.
COMMISSIONER HENDERSON? UH, YES.
THE DOOR IS, UH, DOESN'T HAVE A LIGHT.
UH, IS IS IT MORE TYPICAL TO HAVE LIGHT WINDOWS IN THE DOORS? OR IS THAT NOT ON THOSE OLDER PYRAMID STYLE? I'M JUST WONDERING.
YEAH, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN RECOMMENDING THAT SAME DOOR FOR CRAFTSMEN WITH THE THREE LIGHTS AT THE TOP AND THE
BUT SINCE THIS WAS SOMETHING ELSE AND WE'VE SEEN ON THOSE, THE OLDER ALLWOOD, IT LOOKS LIKE A HERSHEY'S CHOCOLATE BALL HEAD ON DOOR.
THAT'S, THAT'S, I CAN THINK I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING RIGHT NOW.
I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I IT IS JUST TYPICALLY THERE'S A, A WINDOW IN THE DOOR.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS A BIG DEAL.
AND ONE THING I DID NOTICE, THIS APPEARS TO BE A SLAB ON GRADE.
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST 12 INCHES ABOVE GRADE.
BECAUSE WHEN I CHECK THE OTHERS, YES.
SOME OF THE HOUSES ON THAT STREET ARE LOWER, BUT THEN SOME ARE HIGHER.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST ONE STEP OR TWO STEPS.
ANYBODY ELSE IN THIS ONE? UM, ARE THE COLUMNS A THIRD COLOR NOT LISTED IN THE PAINT? I WOULD HAVE TO ASK FRONT AND BACK.
THEY LOOK DIFFERENT THAN EITHER THE TRIM OR THE BASE AND I DON'T, THEY SAID THERE WOOD COLUMNS, SO I GUESS THEY DON'T COME THAT COLOR.
THEY JUST, SO, I MEAN IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A BAD COLOR.
IT COULD BE WITH THESE KIND OF DRAWINGS, ANYTHING CONTENT.
BUT IN THAT CASE, WHICH COLOR ARE THEY?
ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS ONE? ON LATIMER STREET? OKAY.
THIS, I HAVE TO TAKE A DEEP BREATH OVER.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 29 37 WARREN AVENUE.
SINCE THIS IS NEW CONSTRUCTION, IT WILL BE NON-CONTRIBUTING.
SO THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON AN INTERIOR LOT STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, UH, NO QUORUM.
AND THEN YOU SEE THE CURRENT LOT.
IN TERMS OF WHERE THE LOT IS CITED, IT'S CITED AT THE INTERSECTION OF MYERS AND WARREN.
THIS IS THE ONE WE DISCUSSED THIS IN COURTESY REVIEW.
IT WAS A 50 FOOT WHITE LOT AND THE APPLICANT PURCHASED IT AND DIVIDED INTO TWO, DIVIDED IT RATHER INTO 2 25 FOOT LOTS.
SO THIS IS A CLOSEUP OF THE LOT.
AND AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN WE'RE LOOKING AT UH, THE SAME BLOCK FACE.
SO THESE ARE HOMES ON THE SAME BLOCK FACE AS THE CURRENT SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THIS IS HIS, UM, CONTEXTUAL SITE PLAN.
SO HE'S GOING TO BUILD TWO SIDE BY SIDE ON THESE 2 25 FOOT LOTS.
SO THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE ONE TO THE LEFT.
AND THEN THESE ARE THE OTHER HOUSES ON THE STREET, AT LEAST THE FOOTPRINT.
NOW THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION.
UH, THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION WITH A DORMER AND THEN THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION.
IN THE UPPER RIGHT I WAS JUST TRYING TO SHOW SOMETHING THAT HE COULD POSSIBLY PUT ON THAT LOT, WHICH IS ON THAT SAME STREET.
IT'S JUST A SIMPLE BUNGALOW WITH AN INSET PORCH.
THIS IS THE LEFT ELEVATION AND
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THEN THIS IS THE RIGHT ELEVATION.HE DIDN'T GIVE ME ANYTHING ELSE.
UH, IN TERMS OF THE RELEVANT PRESERVATION CRITERIA, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY MUST HAVE AN APPROPRIATE FRONT PORCH.
ALSO, IT MUST HAVE APPROPRIATE COLOR DETAIL ADMINISTRATION, MASSING MATERIAL, ROOF FORM, SHAPE, AND SOLID TO AVOID RATIOS.
THIS APPLIES TO NEW CONSTRUCTION AS WELL AS NEW ADDITIONS.
BUT OF COURSE THIS IS NEW CONSTRUCTION.
UH, SIDING CAN'T BE ALUMINUM STUFFLE OR, OR VINYL.
ALSO IT NEEDS TO BE WITHIN 10 FEET OF THE AVERAGE FRONT YARD SETBACK OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES ON THE SAME BLOCK BASE.
WITH RESPECT TO THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES, BASICALLY WE ARE TO PRESERVE IMPORTANT VIEWS AND VISUAL RELATIONSHIPS.
AND ANYTHING THAT'S INTRODUCED INTO THE MILIEU SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE AND APPROPRIATE.
WITH RESPECT TO OUR ORDINANCE, IT JUST BASICALLY SAYS IT NEEDS TO BE COMPATIBLE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
BUT THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE MASSING OF THE PROPOSED MAIN BUILDING IS INAPPROPRIATELY SCALED FOR ITS SURROUNDING CONTEXT, IT WOULD BE THE ONLY TWO STORY ON THE BLOCK.
SO IT'S AN ISSUE OF VERTICALITY WITH RESPECT TO THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS.
LIKE I SAID, WE DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM.
THEY WERE JUST NON-SUPPORTIVE AND BASICALLY THEY FELT THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE WAS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE DISTRICT.
ALSO, THE ROOF PLANS DID NOT MATCH THE ELEVATIONS.
UM, THIS CAME THROUGH COURTESY REVIEW AND WE ISSUED RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE PRIMARY ONE OF WHICH THAT IT SHOULD BE A DUPLEX.
WHICH WOULD MAKE A BUILDING FORM THAT SOLVED A LOT OF THE FACADE ISSUES WE'RE SEEING IN THIS EXISTING ONE AND WOULD FIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD BETTER.
BUT LAST TIME ONLY A REPRESENTATIVE CAME, RIGHT? CORRECT.
NOT THE, NOT A DECISION MAKER LIKE THE OWNER OR THE DESIGNER.
AND ARE YOU HOPEFUL THAT SUCH A DECISION MAKER WILL COME TO SPEAK TO US TODAY? I AM HOPEFUL.
I HAVE INSISTED, BUT I DO NOT KNOW IF THAT WILL HAPPEN.
I THINK THAT YOU HAD BEST ENCOURAGED THEM THAT IT IS THE OPINION OF THE CHAIR, THAT THEY SHOULD BE HERE TO TALK ABOUT OUR STATED PREFERENCES ALREADY BECAUSE THOSE HAVE NOT CHANGED.
IF THEY'RE NOT READY TO COME TALK ABOUT THAT WITH US SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND THEIR VIEWPOINT AND HAVE SOME BACK AND FORTH.
THERE'S KIND OF NO POINT IN HAVING THIS TODAY BECAUSE WE ALREADY SAID WHAT WE THOUGHT OF IT, BUT WE COULD NOT GET ANY ANSWERS BACK BEFORE.
SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THEY COME AND DO THAT IF THEY HOPE TO MOVE FORWARD AT ALL, BECAUSE WE NEED MORE UNDERSTANDING.
WE ALREADY HEARD WHAT THEIR REPRESENTATIVE SAID.
SO PLEASE TELL THEM THAT IN THE STRONGEST TERMS THAT OTHERWISE THEY'VE WASTED THIS EFFORT AND WE'RE KIND OF WASTING OUR TIME.
'CAUSE I PRETTY MUCH THINK WE'RE GONNA STAND WITH WHAT WE SAID BEFORE, GIVEN NO NEW INFORMATION TO CONTRADICT IT.
UM, HOW MANY 25 FOOT WIDE LOTS ARE THERE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S COMMON IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK THE PLAN COMMISSION AIRED WHEN THEY, THE PLAN COMMISSION DOES A REPLANTING AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY HAVE TO REPL TO THE STANDARD OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND THEN PARTICULARLY THE STREET.
UM, I MEAN, IS IS THERE, I KNOW THIS IS A BIG ASK 'CAUSE WE DON'T REALLY GET, GET ALONG VERY WELL BETWEEN THESE COMMISSIONS NECESSARILY.
WOULDN'T IT BE APPROPRIATE? YES, WE DO.
COMMISSIONER, WOULDN'T IT BE APPROPRIATE WHEN THE PLAN COMMISSION IS REPLANTING A LOT IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT TO TALK TO THE STAFF OR THE LANDMARK COMMISSION? BECAUSE THIS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED IF WE WOULD'VE KNOWN IT WAS HAPPENING.
I MEAN, THIS GUY CAME WITH, I MEAN I GIVE THE GUY A, A BREAK FOR A MOMENT.
HE IN GOOD FAITH EFFORT SAID I CAN PUT TWO HOUSES IN ONE LOT IF I CAN DIVIDE HIM IN HALF AND CLANK, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT IT ISN'T.
SO NOW WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE THIS GUY TO REPLY IT BACK TO ONE LOT.
HE'S GONNA HAVE TO PAY TWICE FOR THE PLEASURE OF REPLANTING AND THE CITY'S AT FAULT.
THE PLAN COMMISSION IS AT FAULT.
SO WHAT DO WE DO? BUT THIS IS NOT GONNA FLY.
BUT HE'S NOT GONNA BE HAPPY THAT THE PLAN COMMISSION GAVE HIM TWO LOTS IN THE LANDMARK.
WE SAID YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO LOTS.
SO WHAT DO WE DO? MAY I ASK A QUESTION TO CLARIFY QUESTION? YEAH.
ARE, ARE WE SAYING THAT THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO BECAUSE IT APPEARS FROM WHAT'S UP ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW THAT YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR ANALYSIS THAT THERE ARE STRUCTURES THAT THEY CAN BUILD? YEAH, I FEEL AS IF THERE ARE STRUCTURES THEY COULD POSSIBLY GET ON THAT IF IT, IF THEY KEEP IT SIMPLE LIKE THIS.
AND EVEN IF THEY HAVE TO DO A REAR POPUP OR SOMETHING, WHICH IS WHAT THE
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TASK FORCE ACTUALLY SHOWED THEM PICTURES OF THAT THERE ARE SOME OLDER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT OVER TIME THEY EXTENDED IT WITH A REAR POPUP OR ADDED A SECOND LIKE A REAR DORMER IN THE BACK.BUT FOR SOME REASON HE KEEPS GIVING ME THIS.
COMMISSIONER? WELL, EVERYONE, COMMISSIONER RENO.
GENERALLY IN, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT DIFFERENT SUBDIVISIONS AND, AND THE ZONING, THERE ARE MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS AND I'M, IT FEELS LIKE IN THIS SITUATION THAT WE ARE INHERITING, UH, ANOTHER PROBLEM THAT WAS CREATED BY A SUBSTANDARD LOT SIZE, UM, TO, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON'S POINT.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK THE PROPOSAL THAT WE SUBMITTED AT, OR THAT, THAT WE SUGGESTED AT, UM, AT COURTESY REVIEW WAS THE PROBABLY ONLY SOLUTION TO BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A STRUCTURE THAT WAS, UH, DU COMPATIBLE.
THE DUPLEX THAT WAS COMPATIBLE WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, UH, I FEEL LIKE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH OF A CHOICE BUT TO DENY, UM, ANYWAY, THAT JUST MY OBSERVATION AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S TIED BACK TO ZONING AND MINIMUM LIGHT LOT SIZE.
AND WILL THEY, IF, IF THEY AGREED TO A DUPLEX, WOULD THEY HAVE TO GO BACK TO CPC AND ASKED TO RE REPL TO ONE OR COULD EAST JUST OWN THEIR HALF OF THE HOUSE AND THEIR YARD? I WOULD ASSUME THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW FOR A FACT.
WELL THAT'S, WE'LL ASK OUR ATTORNEY TO RESEARCH THAT BURNING QUESTION THAT COMES UP EVERY DAY.
I'M SURE IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
YOU HEAR MY PHONE, THE PEOPLE AT HOME CAN'T HEAR YOU IF IT'S NOT ON.
UH, YEAH, THAT WAS MY QUESTION IS I'VE GOT A LIMITED UNDERSTANDING OF THIS, BUT ONCE YOU REPLAY IT, CAN YOU INTO TWO AND YOU GO BACK TO ONE PEOPLE GO BACK TO ONE.
I MEAN, GO TO ONE WHERE IT NEVER WAS ONE BEFORE, BUT I, I GUESS THE ISSUE IS SHOULD THEY HAVE TO PAY AGAIN WHEN CPC AGREED TO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT WORKING OUT VERY WELL, UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW.
LIKE, BUT I DON'T SEE WHY IT COULDN'T HAPPEN.
UM, I MEAN IF WE DEAL WITH DIRECTLY WITH THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, THEN YEAH.
IF, IF Y'ALL SAY THAT TWO SKINNY SHOTGUNS ARE JUST NOT GONNA WORK ON THOSE TWO LOTS, THEN, THEN THAT'S UP TO THEM TO, TO WORK OUT WITH THEM.
COMMISSIONER ROSKI IF YOU LIKE.
IF WE'RE DENYING THIS, WHY ARE WE DOING IT WITHOUT PREJUDICE IF WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S BASICALLY ANY TYPE OF SHOTGUN? BECAUSE WE WANT 'EM TO COME BACK AND ASK TO BUILD SOME SORT OF HOUSE AND THEY'D HAVE TO STAY AWAY FOR A YEAR AND DO NOTHING.
AND KNOW WHAT AN EMPTY LOCK BREEDS.
SO I THINK, I THINK EVERYONE NOW AGREES WITH WE REALLY NEED TO TALK TO THE OWNER ABOUT THIS AND DISCUSS WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE DONE.
MADAM CHAIR, I GET YEAH, I'M JUST, SORRY NOT TO BELABOR IT, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT JUST JURISDICTIONAL ISSUES IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE THESE ARE NOW TO LEGAL LOTS MM-HMM
AND IT SEEMS LIKE OUR JOB IS TO REVIEW SOMETHING THAT'S ALLOWED ON THOSE LOTS.
WE CAN'T ASK SOMEBODY TO READ FLAT CITY DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO BUILD ACROSS LOT LINES.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO READ FLAT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT OUTTA LINE TELLING SOMEBODY THEY GOTTA GO BACK AND BRING US A DUPLEX WHEN THEY HAVE TWO LEGAL BUILDABLE LOTS THAT ARE 25 FOOT WIDE.
IT'S OUR JOB TO HELP THEM FIND SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
I THINK WE WE'RE ALL STYMIED ON SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AND WORK IN THE EXISTING THING.
AND THAT IS WHY I HAVE ASKED OUR ATTORNEY TO CHECK OUT AND SEE WHERE WE STAND ON ALL OF THIS BECAUSE WE ARE GETTING INTO LEGAL STUFF AND NONE OF US ARE RETURN.
WELL, ONE OF US ATTORNEYS, MOST OF US ARE NOT ATTORNEYS
UM, BUT THE HOUSES THAT THEY HAVE PRESENTED US, OBVIOUSLY WERE DISAPPROVED BY THE TASK FORCE AND WE COULDN'T COME UP WITH A FIX LAST TIME WHERE WE COULD SAY, WELL IF ONLY YOU WOULD CHANGE THE ROOF SHAPE, IT'D BE GREAT.
WE, WE WERE STU SO AGAIN, WHAT I'M SAYING IS NOT LET'S DENY IT.
I'M SAYING LET'S GET THEM IN HERE TO TALK THE PEOPLE THAT CAN MAKE THEIR DECISIONS AND WE'LL DISCUSS ALL POTENTIAL RESOURCES AND LET THEM KNOW.
BUT WE DON'T WANT 'EM TO JUST KEEP COMING, BRINGING THIS HOUSE BACK WHEN WE DON'T SEEM TO THINK THESE HOUSES ARE GONNA WORK FOR US OR FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
EVEN WHEN I'M STERN, I TRY TO BE NICE
OKAY, SO THE, THE NEXT DISCUSSION ONE IS JUST THE OTHER HOUSE, RIGHT? IT'S JUST THE NEXT DOOR HOUSE.
SO I GUESS WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE SAYING ABOUT THAT.
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JUST SAY ONE MORE THING.UM, IT, IT, IT KIND OF ADDS TO THE ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S ON A CORNER.
I DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE THIS LONG, SKINNY, I MEAN THESE HOUSES ARE, ARE TWICE THE SIZE ALMOST OF THE OTHER ONES ON THE BLOCK QUITE TWICE AS DEEP MM-HMM
AND I'M CONCERNED IF YOU'RE ON MYERS STREET GOING BON I THINK IT'S GONNA LOOK REALLY RIDICULOUS THAT LONG, SKINNY, UH, UH, IT, IT SEEMS THIS GUY IS TRYING TO GET THE MAXIMUM POSSIBLE ON HIS LOT EVEN BY POPPING IT UP IN THE BACK.
THIS IS LIKE A DOUBLE, DOUBLE LONG, NOT A DOUBLE WIDE, BUT A DOUBLE LONG SHOTGUN.
SO I THINK THE WHOLE THING IS GOT A LOT OF PROBLEMS AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO APPROVE SOMETHING ON A LOT THAT WE CONSIDER SUBSTANDARD.
I MEAN IT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED THAT.
WE NEED TO BE, UM, FORCED TO DO THAT.
WE, WE HOPE THAT WE ARE NOT BEING FORCED TO, AND OF COURSE PERHAPS WE JUST HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF IT YET, BUT THERE ARE A PAIR OF HOUSES THAT WILL FIT ON THIS YARD.
BUT THESE THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED DO NOT SEEM TO INSPIRE CONFIDENCE IN US THAT THEY ARE THOSE DESIRABLE HOUSES.
SO IT MIGHT MEAN GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD WITH NEW INSPIRATION AND INPUT OR CONSIDER GOING BACK ON YOUR PLATTING AND SELLING TWO DDU DUPLEXES OR BUILD ONE HOUSE AND HAVE A GARDEN NEXT DOOR OR SOMETHING.
I KNOW PEOPLE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO OR BUILD A DIFFERENT KIND OF HOUSE ON THE CORNER YARD AND THEN ANOTHER ONE ON THE INNER ONE.
LET'S TALK TO THE PERSON WHO GETS TO DECIDE.
'CAUSE WE ONLY GET TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE.
WE DON'T GET TO ACTUALLY DECIDE WHAT TO BUILD THERE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO, BUT THEY WANT SOMETHING THAT WE'LL APPROVE.
SO THEY HAVE EVERY REASON TO WISH TO TALK TO THAT.
AND SO, SORRY, JUST A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
DO WE KNOW WHAT THE ALLOWABLE LOT COVERAGE IS FOR THIS NEWLY PLATTED LOT? 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE GOOD INFORMATION TO HAVE THIS AFTERNOON.
I'LL HAVE TO CHECK IF I QUOTE YOUR NUMBER.
POSSIBLY WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS NOT EVEN ALLOWED.
POSSIBLY WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ISN'T EVEN ALLOWED IS A, FROM A LOT COVERAGE STANDPOINT.
UH, I THINK, WAS THAT DR. DUNN THAT PRESENTED THIS? YES.
DR. DUNN, WHEN YOU MENTIONED, UH, A REAR POP, UH, POPUP, WOULD IT KIND OF LOOK LIKE THE REAR ELEVATION RENDERING THAT YOU HAVE HERE? THAT THEY HAVE HERE? YOU KNOW, PRETEND THAT THIS IS THE FRONT ON THE REAR ELEVATION AND THE REAR POP-OFF WOULD BE WHAT IS THEIR RENDERING OF THE FRONT? OKAY, SO YOU'RE SAYING MAKE THE FRONT ELEVATION, THE REAR ELEVATION.
IT LOOKED LIKE THE REAR, UH, UH, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE A POPUP POPUP ON THE BACK.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT TRANSPOSE AND, AND MAKE THE YEAH, THE FRONT ELEVATION LOOK KIND OF LIKE THE REAR ELEVATION RENDERING AND THE POPUP WOULD BE THE, THE FRONT ELEVATION AT THE BACK MAYBE AGAIN, WE, WE NEED TO TALK TO THE, THE OWNER OR THEIR DESIGNER ABOUT ANY IDEAS WE HAVE FOR IMPROVING WHAT THEY HAVE SUBMITTED TO MAKE IT MORE ACCEPTABLE.
UM, I DON'T THINK THERE WERE OTHER TWO STORY HOUSES ON THIS BLOCK OR, WELL, THIS IS ON THE SAME BLOCK.
LIKE I SAID, I WENT UP AND DOWN THE BLOCK TRYING TO SEE WHAT THEY COULD POSSIBLY BUILD.
SO THIS 29, 28 WARREN AVENUE, IT'S NOT TWO STORY, BUT IT'S ONE AND A HALF STORY AND YOU SEE IT AS A DORMER IN THE FRONT.
SO THAT WAS, SO THEY DO HAVE SOME ONE AND A HALF STORIES, BUT THE SECOND STORY IS MOVED TOWARDS THE FRONT, NOT RIGHT IN THE BACK.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN WE DISCUSS POSSIBLE OPTIONS.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT? CAN WE COVER BOTH OF THESE WITH ONE MOTION OR DO THEY NEED TO BE DISCUSSED SEPARATELY? I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE SEPARATE MOTIONS, BUT I THINK ALL DISCUSSION WILL BE SETTLED WITH THE DISCUSSION OF THE FIRST HOUSE AND THE SECOND WE HAVE TO READ IT IN LIKE WE DO ALWAYS.
AND THEN WE WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT WE SAID ABOUT THE FIRST ONE
BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALMOST THE SAME DESIGN.
UM, NOW IF WE CAME UP WITH SOME IDEA THAT THE ONE ON THE CORNER, IF IT WERE COMPLETELY, IF IT WERE VERY DIFFERENT AND IT'S FACING THE CORNER, THAT THAT WOULD HELP SOMEHOW, THEN WE MIGHT ACCEPT THAT, WHAT IT OUGHT BE.
BUT I THINK WE WILL HAVE HAD OUR DISCUSSION WITH THE OWNER AND MADE OUR VIEWS CLEAR AND PERHAPS HEARD WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO DO BY THAT POINT.
I COULD BE WRONG AND I DON'T GET SO, OKAY.
THEN AFTER THAT WE HAVE TWO ALWAYS PLEASANT THINGS TO DO WHILE WE'RE REINITIATING.
THAT'S NOT AS PLEASANT AS A NEW ONE, BUT IT'S, IT'S ALMOST DONE.
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SO WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY ABOUT THE SHARK.DISCUSSION ITEM D 5 15 18 ABRAM ROAD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE REINITIATION OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR 1518 ABRAMS ROAD, ALSO KNOWN AS THE SHACK.
THIS IS THE AERIAL VIEW OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
IT IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 3.5 MILES NORTHEAST TO THE CITY CENTER.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY'S EARLY HISTORY BEGINS WITH ROGER MACINTOSH.
HE WAS A DALLAS TEAM LAST ARTIST WHO SPENT HIS LIFE WORKING IN THE CRAFT.
AFTER DISCOVERING IT AS A YOUNG MAN, HE COLLABORATED WITH SEVERAL WELL-KNOWN LOCAL ARCHITECTS AND CREATED WINDOWS FOR CHURCHES, PUBLIC BUILDINGS, AND PRIVATE HOMES.
IN 1921, HE TURNED A SMALL CARRIAGE HOUSE INTO HIS HOME, WHICH IS CALLED THE SHACK.
OVER THE YEARS, HE STEADILY EXPANDED AND REFINED IT, ADDING STAINED GLASS, CARVED WOOD IRON WORK AND PRACTICAL WORKSHOP SPACE.
AT THE SHACK, MACINTOSH INSTALLED STAINED GLASS THROUGHOUT THE HOME.
TWO CEILING LIGHT FIXTURES IN THE FRONT LIVING ROOM WERE MADE BY HIM.
HE ALSO CREATED BACK LIT NICHES, GLASS SHELVING AND GLASS BLOCK WALLS.
SOME PIECES WERE RECYCLED FROM OTHER PROJECTS.
MACINTOSH'S STAINED GLASS WORK WAS PROLIFIC ACROSS THE SOUTHWEST.
ON THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE TWO EXAMPLES OF MACINTOSH'S ECLECTICAL WORK.
ON THE RIGHT IS TYLER STREET, UNITED METHODIST CHURCH IN OAKCLIFF.
AND ON THE LEFT IS FIRST PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS.
HIS STAINED GLASS CAN ALSO BE FOUND IN MANY OTHER DALLAS CHURCHES AS WELL.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS MACINTOSH'S COMMERCIAL WORLD AT THE DALLAS POWER AND LIGHT BUILDING ON COMMERCE STREET.
HIS STAINED GLASS PANEL TITLED THOR, CREATING ELECTRIC LIGHT DEMONSTRATES THE ABILITY TO COMBINE ARTISTRY WITH COMMERCIAL AND PUBLIC COMMISSIONS.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE PLAN AND ELEVATION OF THE SHACK, INCLUDING THE ADDITIONS MADE BY ROTTER MACINTOSH OVER THE YEARS.
ORIGINALLY CARRIAGE HOUSE MACINTOSH EXPANDED IT IN 1929 WITH THE FIRST FLOOR WING FOR HIS MOTHER.
AND AGAIN IN 1939 WITH A LARGER WING CONTAINING A WORKSHOP GARAGE AND TRIPLE CHIMNEY.
THE PLAN ILLUSTRATES HOW THE HOME GREW GRADUALLY UNDER HIS DESIGN.
THE EXTERIOR MATERIALS INCLUDE ESTAS, SIDING ON THE OLDER SECTIONS AND HADED BLOCKS ON THE ADDITIONS WITH STAINED GLASS WINDOWS AND BRICK SILLS.
THE BROWN PAINTED METAL ROOF MATTRESS, THE WOODEN TRIM AND THE ENTRY DOORS INCLUDE STAINED GLASS.
THE INTERIORS INCLUDE A PARLOR, SUNROOM DINING AREA AND KITCHEN ON THE FIRST FLOOR WITH BEDROOMS, UPSTAIRS SKYLIGHTS AND LARGE PLATE GLASS AND STAINED GLASS WINDOWS PROVIDE LIGHT.
THE ONE STORY CONNECTING WING SERVES AS A DEN WITH FIVE-SIDED STAINED GLASS B WINDOWS AS SHOWN IN THE SLIDE.
AND A BRICK CHIMNEY WITH INDOOR FIREPLACE AND GLASS ROOM.
INSIDE STAINED GLASS ARTWORK IS VISIBLE IN CEILING FEATURES, UM, SORRY, CEILING FIXTURES, BACK LIT NICHES AND GLASS SHELVING.
HE ALSO INCLUDED CARVED WOOD AND METAL WORK THROUGHOUT WHEN DEGRADE PUR PURCHASED IT IN 2004.
THE HOME WAS IN POOR CONDITION, WAS LEAKING ROOF FLOODING UNDER THE FOUNDATION.
OLD WIRING CARPENTER ANNS ROTTING FENCES AND OVERGROWN GARDENS.
A 2012 STONE CAUSED FURTHER DAMAGE INCLUDING BROKEN SKYLIGHTS AND OVER 50 PANS OF STEAM.
GLASS RESTORATION HAS SINCE BEEN COMPLETED AND THE HOME IS NOW IN ITS BEST CONDITION WITH ITS HISTORY AND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF ITS OWNER.
THE SHACK POTENTIALLY NEEDS EIGHT OF THE LOCAL CRITERIA FOR ELIGIBILITY.
THIS INCLUDE HISTORY, HERITAGE, AND CULTURE, SIGNIFICANT PERSONS, ARCHITECTURE, ARCHITECTURE, MASTER BUILDER, NATIONAL AND STAGE RECOGNITION, UNIQUE VISUAL FEATURES, HISTORIC CONTEXT AND
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EDU UH, HISTORY, EDUCATION.ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE THE REPORT, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE REINITIATION.
UM, SINCE THIS LETTER CAME FROM THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS REQUESTING, BUT DO WE NEED A LANDMARK COMMISSIONER TO REQUEST IT REQUEST? I KNOW, BUT I'M TRYING TO AVOID THEM HAVING TO PAY THE FEE.
WELL, BUT RIGHT WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT DIDN'T ORIGINALLY THERE WAS A LANDMARK COMMISSIONER THAT INITIATED THIS PROCESS AND SINCE WE'RE REINITIATING, DOES IT GO UNDER THE SAME SAME THEORY THAT THE LANDMARK COMMISSIONER HAS INITIATED AND WE'RE JUST EXTENDING THE PROCESS, THEREFORE THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY OTHERWISE.
DOES THIS TRIGGER THEM HAVING TO PAY IF THE OWNER IS REQUESTING IT VERSUS A LANDMARK COMMISSIONER REQUESTING IT? UM, WHAT LET US TALK DURING LUNCH
I JUST, I JUST WANNA, I DIDN'T WANT HER TO LIKE GET A $2,000 BILL AFTER TODAY.
UH, SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT A LANDMARK COMMISSIONER COULD REINITIATE 1518 ABRAMS ROAD SINCE I DID IT FOR EAGLE FORD BRIDGE.
WE'RE JUST WONDERING WHETHER IT'S TOO LATE FOR A LANDMARK COMMISSIONER TO REINITIATE CAN THAT THAT'S THE PROBLEM, IS THAT WE NEED A LETTER FROM A LANDMARK COMMISSIONER AND TO PUT IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA, WHICH WOULD BE, WELL, THAT WON'T WORK THEN, BUT THERE'S NO WAY TO JUST BECOME THE INITIATE TODAY.
LET'S FIND WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL FIND OUT.
I MEAN, IN THIS CASE, THIS IS OWNER INITIATED.
SO EVEN IF SHE HAS TO WAIT A MONTH TO REINITIATE, IT'S NOT, IT LOSES PROTECTION FOR MONTH.
IT'S NOT LIKE SHE'S SHE'S NOT, IT'S NOT ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK.
SO, BUT I I DO WANT MAKE HER NO, BUT LET'S, LET'S NOT DIS DISCUSS EXTRA MONEY.
SO, OH, MR. I'M JUST WONDERING WHY THEY PICKED A HOUSE THAT WAS DEMOLISHED WHEN THERE WERE OVER 50 HU HOUSES AND ALMOST EVERY ONE OF THEM HAS STAINED GLASS WINDOWS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHAT ARE YOU SAYING THEY PICKED, DEMOLISHED? WELL, THEY'RE GIVING YOU AN EXAMPLE OF A, UH, A HOUSE BUILT BY, UH, DESIGNED BY HU ON LAKEWOOD.
THERE ARE OVER 50 COUNCILS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHY DIDN'T THEY CHOOSE AN EXAMPLE THAT HAD NOT BEEN DEMOLISHED? UM, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT I THINK ANY EXAMPLE OF WHEN ONE OF THESE SHINING WINDOWS WAS THERE IS GOOD AND ONE THAT'S DEMOLISHED, JUST PROVES WE SHOULD SAY THE REST.
IT, IT CALLS US TO THE DANGER.
THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER INITIATION DISCUSSION.
ITEM D 6 5 0 0 6 WEST AMHERST STAFF.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE INITIATION OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR 5 0 0 6 WEST AMHERST.
THE LUTON HOUSE WAS THE AREA VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.
THE PROXIMITY OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS 4.6 MILES NORTH OF CITY CENTER.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY LUTON HOUSE WAS MANUFACTURED BY LUS COOPERATION AFTER WORLD WAR II, LUSIN MUST PRODUCED HOUSES IN A FACTORY IN PIECES AND SHIPPED THEM ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO BE DIRECTED ON SITE.
THIS WAS AN EFFICIENT WAY TO QUICKLY ADDRESS THE POSTWAR HOUSING SHORTAGE.
LUSIN HOMES WERE FACTORY MANUFACTURED IN COLUMBUS, OHIO AND SHIPPED IN SECTIONS FOR ASSEMBLY ON SITE.
THEY WERE ESSENTIALLY A LATE 1940S VERSION OF THE SEARS ROBOT AND COMPANY KIT
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HOUSES, EXCEPT EVERY COMPONENT WAS MADE OF STEEL FROM THE FRAMING TO THE INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR WALLS AND EVEN THE ROOF.THE WALL AND ROOF PANELS WERE POROUS, SELINE COATED STEEL, CREATING A DURABLE LOW MAINTENANCE FINISH DESIGNED TO WITHSTAND THE ELEMENTS.
LUSIN PRODUCED HOUSES FROM 1948 TO 1950 WHEN THE COMPANY WENT BANKRUPT.
ONLY ABOUT 3000 HOMES WERE BUILT NATIONWIDE.
THERE WERE EIGHT DIFFERENT MODELS OFFERED, RANG BY NUMBER OF BEDROOMS AND AMENITIES, THOUGH MOST WERE TWO BEDROOM DESIGNS.
THE HOUSE AT 5 0 0 6 WEST AMHERST AVENUE WAS CREATED IN 1949.
IT IS A TWO BEDROOM MODEL AND IS SHEATHED IN MEANS YELLOW PORCELAIN COATED STEEL PANELS, ONE OF FOUR ORIGINAL COLOR OPTIONS.
THE 5 0 0 6 WEST AMHERST AVENUE IS ONE OF THE ONLY THREE REMAINING LUSTER HOUSES IN TEXAS.
THE OTHER TWO ARE LOCATED IN FOR FORT WORTH AND LITTLEFIELD.
THE HOUSE REMAINED IN GOOD CONDITION FOR DECADES.
ALTERATIONS OVER THE YEARS WERE PRIMARILY INTERIOR UPDATES, INCLUDING REPLACEMENT KITCHEN CABINETS, NEW FLOORING AND AIR CONDITIONING INSTALLATION.
IMPORTANTLY, THE ORIGINAL EXTERIOR PANELS REMAIN INTACT ALONG WITH THE ORIGINAL DOORS, WINDOWS, ROOF, AND DISTINCTIVE FRONT PORCH COLUMN FEATURING DECORATIVE ZIGZAG ELEMENTS WHICH CONTRIBUTES TO HOME'S UNIQUE CHARACTER.
IN 2025, A FIRE DAMAGED THE INTERIOR PARTS OF THE ROOF.
DESPITE THIS, THE HOME'S STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY REMAINS INTACT AND MUCH OF THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL HAS SURVIVED.
THE EXTERIOR PANELS WERE LARGELY UNAFFECTED.
RESTORATION IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY TO REPAIR THE FIRE DAMAGED AREAS BECAUSE OF ITS RARITY AND SIGNIFICANCE AS ONE OF ONLY THREE REMAINING LUS HOUSES IN TEXAS, THE PROPERTY POTENTIALLY MEETS AT LEAST FOUR CITY OF DALLAS LANDMARK DESIGNATION CRITERIA INCLUDING HISTORY, HERITAGE AND CULTURE, ARCHITECTURE, UNIQUE VISUAL FEATURES, AND HISTORIC EDUCATION.
ANY QUESTIONS PLEASE, MR.
IT'S A, IT IS A VERY RARE AND INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT HOUSE FOR DALLAS.
UH, WE DON'T, THIS IS THE ONLY ONE WE HAVE IN DALLAS IS THE LUTRON HOUSES.
UH, AND THERE ARE VERY FEW OF 'EM LEFT ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
UM, THIS IS, UH, OWNER, UH, INITIATED, WELL I WOULDN'T SAY OWNER INITIATED.
UH, THEY ARE ON BOARD WITH, UH, THE LANDMARKING GOING THROUGH THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION PROCESS.
UH, THIS HOUSE HAS ALSO, AS WAS MENTIONED, HAS SUFFERED FIRE DAMAGE.
IT IS ACTUALLY UNDERGOING RESTORATION.
UH, RON SIEBLER, WHO MANY OF YOU KNOW IS WORKING, UH, TO RESTORE THIS HOUSE AND RESTORE THE METAL PANELS THAT WERE DAMAGED IN THE FIRE, UH, UH, AND ON THE INTERIOR AS WELL AS THE EXTERIOR.
UM, SO THIS IS, UH, A, A PROCESS THAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH TO GET THIS BACK, UM, INTO ITS, YOU KNOW, ORIGINAL CONDITION AS IT CAN BE.
SO, UM, VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF, OF SEEING THIS GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ONE? OKAY.
UM, AND SAM, I HAVE A GEN I HAVE A GENERAL COMMENT.
I'D LIKE TO KIND OF SUPPORT WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER ABOUT THE DESIGNATION PROCESS AND IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN, UH, RE AT THE NEXT MEETING HAVE A FULL LIST OF, UH, LANDMARK DESIGNATIONS AND WHERE THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS.
HOW MANY HAVE INITIATED, HOW MANY ARE WAITING FOR DESIGNATION COMMITTEE AND STAFF TO FINALIZE THEM? AND HOW MANY ARE KIND OF STUCK IN A LIMBO SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PLAN COMMISSION? YEAH, COMMISSION PASS.
AND THE LATTER WAS WHAT I ASKED ABOUT TO HERE SOON, LIKE THIS AFTERNOON.
BUT WE USUALLY, WE USED TO MAINTAIN KIND OF A SPREADSHEET THAT SHOWED THE STATUS OF ALL OF THEM AND WHERE THEY WERE AND IF THEY, IF THEY WERE INITIATE WHEN THEIR INITIATION RUNS OUT AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE CAN WE PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT MONTH? HOW DO WE DO THAT? WE, WE CAN OR, OR YOU CAN REQUEST IT.
ANY LANDMARK COMMISSIONER FOR REQUEST THE ADDITION OF SOMETHING FOR THE AGENDA.
IS THAT ENOUGH?
UM, I HAVE THE SPEAKER LIST HERE AND I AM CONCERNED WE DO HAVE SOMEONE COMING FOR D THREE AND THAT'S GOOD, BUT NOBODY FOR D ONE AND WE REALLY NEED TO TALK TO THEM.
AND THREE OUT OF FOUR COURTESY REVIEWS HAVE NOBODY SIGNED UP.
NOW THEY COULD BE PLANNING ON COMING IN PERSON AND HAVE NOT YET NOTIFIED US, BUT I KNOW STAFF TRIES TO GET PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND, BUT
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MAYBE TRY SOME MORE JUST TO TELL 'EM IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, DO THEY JUST WANT US TO DECIDE AND SEND THEM OUR DECISION? THAT'S NOT, THEY NEED TO BE HERE TO TELL US WHEN WE'RE WRONG.LIKE, IF WE ASK FOR A MUCH POINTIER ROOF, THERE MAY BE A REASON THEY CAN'T DO THAT.
THEY NEED TO TELL US THAT WE DON'T, WE DON'T SEE IT.
SO WOULDN'T THEY LIKE TO BE PART OF THEIR DECISION OR JUST THE VICTIM OF THEIR DECISION?
WE, WE, UH, YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY WE'RE PRETTY ADAMANT.
BUT SOMETIMES THEY JUST CHOOSE WELL THEN THAT, THAT IS THEIR CHOICE.
BUT IT'S JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, DID I, I HAD A FRIEND APPLYING TO DO SOMETHING ON OUR, ON OUR AGENDA.
I WOULD TELL THEM THEY NEEDED TO FIND A WAY TO COME OR COME OR SEND SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS EVERYTHING AND CAN MAKE DECISIONS THAT IT WOULD GO BETTER FOR THEM.
THEY WOULD GET TO HAVE MORE SAY AND MORE INPUT.
AT LEAST WE'D KNOW WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT INSTEAD OF JUST FEEDING UP FOR OURSELF.
SO WE HAVE A LONG TIME TILL WE RECONVENE
WE, WE WILL RECONVENE AT ONE O'CLOCK THIS AFTERNOON.
SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE FINISHED OUR BRIEFING.
IT IS 10 43 AND WE ARE IN RECESS UNTIL OUR FORMAL MEETING AT ONE O'CLOCK.
AND I'M SURE LUNCH ISN'T HERE AND NO ONE WANTS LUNCH YET ANYWAY.
AND WHO WANTS TO EAT A SALAD AT 10 40? GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THE MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION.
UH, IT IS MARCH 2ND, 2026 AT 1 0 2 AND I'M CALLING OUR PUBLIC MEETING TO ORDER.
WE HAVE A FORUM OF LANDMARK COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
ELAINE, WOULD YOU PLEASE DO THE ROLL CALL VERIFY.
COMMISSIONER FOGLEMAN PRESENT? DISTRICT FOUR.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON AND COMMISSIONER REEVES.
UM, WE BEGIN, UH, WITH DAVID PREZI, WHO WILL BE ACTING AS VICE-CHAIR TODAY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF HAVING COMMISSIONER PREZI SERVE AS VICE CHAIR TODAY.
AREN'T YOU HAPPY TO HEAR THAT? OKAY.
WELL, IT'S NOW TIME THEN TO DO THAT JOB NO ONE WANTS TO DO AND MAKE A COUPLE MOTIONS HERE.
UH, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY RECUSING THEMSELVES ON NOPE.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM WHO IS NOT JUST TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO TELL US? NO.
WELL, I'LL MOTION THAT, UH, WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER REEVES.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED, UH, TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS? MY COMMISSIONER REEVES WAS THE SECOND.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY HERE FOR CR THREE OR FOUR.
I WOULDN'T KNOW YOU'RE THE ONE FINDING, WE ARE REARRANGING THE ORDER OF OUR AGENDA SO THAT WE CAN PRIVILEGE THOSE THAT HAVE SOMEONE WAITING TO SPEAK SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE HERE ALL DAY.
DUN, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY FOR CR THREE OR FOUR HERE.
IS THAT CORRECT? WHICH IS, UH, ONE 12 NORTH CLIFF STREET AND TWO 20 SOUTH CLIFF STREET? WE DO NOT.
ALRIGHT, SO I'M GONNA MOTION THAT, UH, WE REARRANGED THE AGENDA AS FOLLOWS.
UH, C ONE, C TWO, D ONE, D 2D THREE, D FOUR D FIVE, D SIX AND C3 AND C FOUR.
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THREE AND FOUR.ALRIGHT, I, I MISS D FIVE COMES AFTER D SIX.
I MEAN, D SIX COMES AFTER D FIVE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT?
AND DID WE HAVE A SECOND TIME THIS MOTION? COMMISSIONER REEVES? THIS OUR SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? PLEASE SAY YES.
ALRIGHT, THIS MOTION IS CARRIED.
THAT MEANS WE BEGIN WITH COURTESY REVIEW.
ITEM NUMBER ONE, STAFF NORTH CLIFF STREET, NO, VLADIMIR STREET.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF COURTESY REVIEW ITEM CR ONE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 3,500 LATIMER STREET IN THE QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER PRE-DESIGN MORATORIUM.
THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 26 DASH 38.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY, COURTESY REVIEW OF CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT CORNER.
LOT WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A REAR DETACHED TWO CAR GARAGE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION, SINCE THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION IS REQUIRED.
THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT CORNER LOT WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A REAR DETACHED TWO CAR GARAGE, BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW AND WHO VOLUNTEERS TO READ TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS TODAY.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HARPER, BECAUSE I WAS ABOUT TO CHOOSE IF YOU DIDN'T AND I WAS LOOKING AT YOUR NEIGHBOR, SO
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS.
ONE, REDUCE TO ONE AND A HALF STORIES, NOT TWO.
SHOW BOTH STREET FRONTAGES ON CONTEXTUAL SITE PLAN.
TREAT CORNER SIDE ELEVATION AS PRIMARY FACADE.
DO NOT PAINT BRICK COPY BRICK DETAILS FROM TWO TO REVIVALS ON ROAMING AVENUE.
WINDOWS SHOULD EITHER BE ALL WOOD OR ALL ALUMINUM.
NO CLADDING INCLUDE CONTEXTUAL SITE PLAN, SITE PLAN AND MATERIAL SCHEDULE SHEET AND FINAL PACKET.
AND, UH, WE HAVE A SPEAKER FOR THIS ONE.
HOW ARE YOU TODAY? I AM FINE AND THE WAY WE DO THINGS HERE IS YOU HAVE TO BEGIN BY STATING YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND THEN, UH, A COURTESY REVIEW.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
YOU CAN LIE ALL YOU WANT, BUT IT WON'T HELP.
MY NAME IS RICK SMITH, THE ADDRESS THAT WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT, THAT 3 5 0 0 LAIR STREET IN DALLAS.
IS THERE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL YOU'D LIKE TO TELL US ABOUT THE BUILDING BEFORE US? AND THEN WE'LL SHARE SOME FEEDBACK WITH YOU ABOUT WHAT WE THINK ABOUT YOUR PLAN SO FAR? SURE.
THIS HAS ALL HAPPENED REALLY FAST FOR ME.
UM, START IT OUT AS JUST SUBMITTING A PERMIT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION AND, UM, GOT TO THE VERY END ZONING.
LET ME KNOW THAT HE THINKS THAT IT MAY BE A PART OF A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I WASN'T AWARE, UM, I WOULDN'T HAVE DONE THESE PLANS, BUT WE'RE HERE TODAY AND I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS, SO I'M JUST HERE TO GET AS MUCH INFORMATION AS I CAN TO CONTINUE FORWARD.
I APPRECIATE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR INFORMATION AND SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE READY TO UNDERSTAND IF PARTS OF IT AREN'T EXACTLY CORRECT FIT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE THAT'S THE GOAL HERE.
UM, EVEN IF IT'S A LOVELY DESIGN, IF IT'S NOT THE RIGHT DESIGN FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND NEEDS TWEAKING, THEN THAT'S YES, MA'AM.
WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HELP YOU FIND OUT.
COMMISSIONERS COMMISSIONER RENE.
UM, YEAH, I HAD A, A FEW RECOMMENDATIONS.
I'LL PASS ALONG, UH, BACK FOR IT TO YOU.
BUT, UH, UM, ALONG THE COMMENT THAT HAD COME FROM, UM, FROM THE TASK FORCE ABOUT TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK A STORY AND A HALF RATHER THAN TWO FULL STORIES.
I KNOW YOU, YOU APPROACHED THAT.
HOWEVER, IT'S STILL, UM, THAT SECOND FLOOR PLATE HEIGHT IS STILL TOO HIGH.
UM, SO ONE OF THE ONES THAT ONE, WELL, THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS THAT WAS ALSO RECOMMENDING BESIDES THE, UH, UH, THE STORY AND A HALF.
BUT ONE WAS ON THE, UH, TO ADD WINDOWS ON THE RIGHT WALL IN THE STAIRWELL.
THAT RIGHT ELEVATION IN PARTICULAR
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WAS LACKING A, A BIT OF, UH, FENESTRATION, YOU KNOW, THE ADDITIONAL WINDOWS.UM, THE SECOND ONE WAS TO TRY AND ALIGN WINDOWS BETWEEN ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE ELEVATION, UH, BETWEEN THE LIVING ROOM AND THE BEDROOM.
I KNOW THEY'RE KIND OF, UH, SCATTERED ONES KIND OF TUCKED UP IN REALLY CLOSE TO THE ROOF LINE.
I THINK YOU'LL, YOU'LL BE CHALLENGED TO TRY AND GET THAT IN.
BUT, UM, ANYWAY, IS TO, TO TRY AND ALIGN, UH, UPSTAIRS AND DOWNSTAIRS WHEN YOU CAN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
UM, THE, I HAD ANOTHER ONE ABOUT, UM, LOWERING THE, UH, THE ROOF PORCH OR THE PORCHES ROOF.
UM, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY HIGH ON THE ELEVATION TOO, I THINK WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU BRING THAT SECOND FLOOR PLATE HEIGHT DOWN, UM, AND YOU'LL, YOU'LL END UP HAVING SHAPES IN THAT, YOU KNOW, ON THAT SECOND FLOOR TOO.
IT WON'T JUST BE, YOU KNOW, CLEAN, UH, FLOOR TO CEILING, UM, UH, WALLS.
THERE'LL, THERE'LL BE PITCHES WHEN YOU TRY AND TUCK IT INSIDE THE ROOF.
BUT, UH, BUT WHEN ALL THAT COMES DOWN, THE, THE ROOF PORCH SHOULD BE REDUCED AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN ON THE DORMERS ON THE FRONT, IF YOU COULD MATCH ALL THE SLOPES, UM, 'CAUSE YEAH, WHEN IT GETS FLATTER LIKE THAT, OR AN ALTERNATE MIGHT BE A, A SHED ROOF INSTEAD OF A, INSTEAD OF A A A GABLE AND ON THAT DORMER.
UM, AND THEN, UM, YEAH, AS TASK FORCE HAD MENTIONED TO COPY BRICK TAIL, THE BRICK DETAILS OFF THE TUDOR VIRS ON, UH, ROAMING AVENUE, UM, THAT HAS LIKE A ROW OF MAYBE SIX OR EIGHT BEAUTIFUL LITTLE TUTORS.
NOW GRANTED, ALL OF THOSE ARE ONE STORY, EVEN IF YOU WERE TO TRY AND TUCK A SECOND STORY INTO THOSE, THAT THEY WOULDN'T REALLY BE A ENOUGH ROOM.
HOWEVER, ONCE YOU PASS, GENERALLY, IF YOU DO A, AND I THINK YOU WERE RECOMMENDING THIS OR YOU WERE PROPOSING THIS ALREADY, WAS THAT, THAT CROSS GABLE, YOU KNOW, THAT RUNS PARALLEL WITH THE, WITH THE STREET, UM, TO GIVE YOU, UH, ENOUGH MASS ON THAT SECOND FLOOR.
UM, TYPICALLY RIGHT BEHIND THAT, THAT CROSS GABLE, THEN YOU CAN FLATTEN OUT THE ROOF AND, AND HAVE, UH, A TALLER PLATE HEIGHT, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR, IN YOUR DORMERS, EFFECTIVELY ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
BUT I'VE GOT A SKETCH THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT TO DESCRIBE, UH, A FEW MORE DETAILS OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? YES, I'M FOLLOWING SUIT, UH, WITH WHAT COMMISSIONERS JUST SAID.
THERE ARE ACTUALLY SOME TUTORS ON, UH, REMIND STREET.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH
AND THOSE ARE TUDOR COTTAGES, WHICH IS ONE STORY, SOME WITH THE CONVERTED ATTIC.
I THINK IF YOU GO TO REMIND STREET AND USE THAT AS REMODEL, THE, THE LARGER TRUE STORY IS REALLY NOT APPROPRIATE TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IF YOU GO TO REMIND, I THINK YOU'LL GET EVERYTHING HE'S SAYING AND MORE.
I, I DON'T, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE WAY TO GO.
JUST FOR CLARITY, COMMISSIONER RENO, WERE YOU REFERRING TO OPTION ONE OR TWO, THE TUTOR OR THE, IT WAS TO THE TUTOR.
ANYBODY ELSE? ANYONE HOME ONLINE? SPEAK UP.
DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, HAVE I MISSED IT? IF YOU HAD ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT MATERIALS SUITABLE, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT OUR APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS WHAT TYPE OF MATERIALS WOULD BE SUITABLE FOR THIS HOUSE.
YEAH, UH, BRICK AND, AND CASTSTONE WOULD BE THE MOST, UH, APPLICABLE.
I DIDN'T, I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T MAKE ANY NOTES REGARDING THAT.
AND WHAT TYPE OF WINDOWS ARE YOU PLANNING? UM, WE WERE ACTUALLY CHOOSING BETWEEN THE TWO STYLES AND THEN GOING WITH WHATEVER WAS AVAILABLE.
WE WE'RE NOT STUCK ON ANYTHING AT THE MOMENT.
WE KNOW THAT PLAING IS NOT NOT APPROPRIATE.
UM, SO IT'D BE EITHER BE WOOD OR ALUMINUM.
MAKE SURE YOU HEARD THAT, THAT WAY
IS THIS YOUR OWN HOUSE OR ARE YOU NO, NO.
MY WIFE AND I, UM, WE REMODEL HOMES.
THIS WILL BE ONE OF THE FIRST NEW CONSTRUCTION HOMES.
UM, BUT WE REMODEL HOMES, UM, IN AN EFFORT TO PAY FOR FOUR BOYS IN COLLEGE, SO.
AND, AND YOU PICKED YOUR FIRST NEW BUILD FOR A NEW HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, A JUNIOR COLLEGE IS ALWAYS AN OPTION, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY WE PURCHASED THIS IN 2020 AND JUST WAITED TOO LONG.
UH, WE HAD A VARIANCE STARTED, COVID LOST IT.
IT HAS BEEN A LONG STORY SINCE 2020.
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SO.DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ASPECTS THAT YOU ARE WONDERING ABOUT THAT WE MIGHT ANSWER? WE WANNA SEND YOU AWAY.
READY, READY TO BRING US BACK THE DESIGN THAT WILL MAKE IT FOR, YEAH.
SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I FULLY UNDERSTOOD, UH, WHAT MR. IS IT
UM, NOW THAT I'M PUTTING MY EYES ON THE, THE CHOICE THAT YOU WERE SPEAKING ABOUT, I KNOW YOU SAID ON THE PORCH DROP THAT HEIGHT DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
NO, GRANT, GRANTED, ALL OF THOSE PLATE HEIGHTS WOULD COME DOWN.
SO YOU'D, UM, IN THE BACK CORRECT, CORRECT.
TO FALL BELOW THE, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT.
AND ALSO YOU SAID MORE WINDOWS ON BOTH SIDES LEFT AND RIGHT.
YEAH, WHEN I NOTICED, LET'S SEE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THE, ON THIS PARTICULAR VIEW, MAYBE YOU PULL UP THE, UM, THE FLAT ELEVATION.
SO I WAS JUST ENCOURAGING MORE WINDOWS ON, ON THAT BOTTOM DRAWING.
YEAH, I KNOW THE STAIRWAY IS RIGHT BEHIND THERE TOO.
SO MAYBE THERE'S, UH, THERE'S ONE OR TWO YOU COULD ADD IN, IN THERE TO SURE.
HELP POPULATE THE, THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BOTTOM.
SO JUST THE BOTTOM SOUTH SIDE ELEVATION MM-HMM
AND MR. ANDERSON, UM, MORE SO JUST CHECKING OUT THE HOUSES ON
AND OF COURSE YOU PUT, AS YOU TRY OUT YOUR NEW DESIGN, YOU CAN COME BACK IN FRONT OF THE COURTESY REVIEW OR YOU CAN ACTUALLY MAKE YOUR APPLICATION, UH, WHEN YOU ACTUALLY PUT IN YOUR REQUEST TO BUILD IT.
WE MIGHT STILL BE ABLE TO, UM, GIVE AN APPROVAL WITH, YOU KNOW, CONDITIONS THAT PORCH IS STILL TOO TALL, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHATEVER WE HAPPEN TO SEE.
BUT, UM, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU WANTED TO BE SAFER AND JUST DO ANOTHER COURTESY WITH REVIEW, YOU HAVE THAT OPTION, OR WE WILL SEE YOU BACK WITH YOUR FINAL PLANS, LOOKING TO SEE IF YOU CAN MOVE IT.
AND DON'T WAIT ANOTHER SIX YEARS BECAUSE WE'LL ALL BE DEAD BY THEN.
SO WE
IT'S, IT'S GONNA LAST STOPS YOUR SON, YOUR SON WILL BE THE OLDEST MAN IN COLLEGE.
YOU DON'T GET ALL FOUR OF THEM.
SO, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
IS
THERE'S, IN OTHER WORDS, THAT'S THE LARGEST CONCENTRATION AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S ACTUALLY DESIGNATED NATIONALLY FOR.
BUT THEY'RE TUTORS, ONE AND A HALF STORY TUTORS THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
OKAY, BECAUSE I WAS CHECKING THE STREET THAT THAT'S ON AND IT, IT DIDN'T SEEM, I SAW ANY TUTORS ON THERE, UH, ON THAT VLADIMIR STREET.
THEY'RE RARER, BUT I KNOW IN OUR SURVEY WE MILLIONS OF CRAFTSMEN AND THEN ONE POPPED UP AND THEN I YEAH, I SAW THE COLLECTION OF THEM ON REMIND.
BUT THEY SEEMED TO BE MORE CONCENTRATED AND IT'S JUST NOT A ONE-OFF AND A ONE-OFF.
IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK ON PACKARD STREET IN QUEEN CITY AS WELL, THERE IS A COLLECTION OF TUTORS, UM, DURING THE WALKING TOUR.
AND YOU'RE NOT USING THE CASEMENT WINDOWS THAT'S IN THE PACKET? I THOUGHT I SAW CASEMENT WINDOWS IN THERE.
WE'LL BE GLAD TO SEE YOU ON NEXT TIME ROUND.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, THIS IS A LITTLE CONFUSING 'CAUSE YOU ACTUALLY GAVE US TWO DESIGNS.
DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE? WE'VE REALLY TALKED ABOUT THE TUTOR, BUT NO, NO, SIR.
WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA GO WITH THE TUTOR AS A BACKUP.
WE CAN FALL BACK TO THE CRAFTSMAN, BUT THE LOT IS VERY, VERY SLIM.
UM, SO WE'RE WORKING WITH SOMETHING THAT CAN ACTUALLY FIT THE LOT AND THE SETBACK BEING ON THE CORNER LOT AS WELL.
ON THE, ON THE CRAFTSMAN, I THINK YOUR BEST TO LOOK AT CRAFTSMAN'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BECAUSE I THINK YOU HAVE THE FORM RIGHT.
BUT THE, UM, THE, THE ONE GABLE IS KIND OF UNUSUAL.
UH, SO I I I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WHAT YOU HAVE HERE WOULD BE APPROVABLE, SO YOU NEED TO KIND OF GO BACK.
AND CHECK THE, THE KINDA THE CLASSIC TUDOR STYLE, I MEAN THE CLASSIC CRAFTSMAN STYLE.
BUT IF YOU LIKE THE TUDOR, WE'RE GETTING WAY TOO MANY APPLICATIONS.
THE CRAFTSMEN IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD'S GONNA LOOK LIKE THAT'S ALL ANYBODY EVER BUILT FOR ABOUT 40 YEARS.
SO IF YOU LIKE SOMETHING ELSE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
MY WIFE LIKES THE TUTOR, SO WE'RE GONNA DO THE TUTOR.
THE, THE TUTORS ON PACKER STREET ARE PRETTY LARGER THAN THE ONES ON ROMAINE.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING A LITTLE THAT'S VERY HELPFUL, LARGER IN SIZE WITH THAT PLATE HEIGHT AND WHAT THEY ENCOMPASSING IN WITHIN THAT ROOF OR JUST, UH, BIG BIGGER, YEAH.
SOMETHING TO SEND BACK TO THE ARCHITECT TO WORK WITH.
NOW THAT'S CR TWO IS LOCATED AT 26 0 1 STATE STREET IN THE STATE THOMAS HISTORIC DISTRICT, COA 25 DASH 6 0 1.
THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW OF CONSTRUCTION ON A NEW TWO AND A HALF STORY MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING.
THIS IS THE SECOND TIME YOU'VE SEEN THIS, UH, THIS ES AS A COURTESY REVIEW, UM, IN YOUR PACKET.
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I ACTUALLY INCLUDED, THERE WAS A, UH, THERE WAS A, AN ITERATION IN BETWEEN, UM, THAT I INCLUDED.BUT, BUT AFTER WE HAD A STAFF EVALUATION, OUR STAFF REVIEW WITH THE, UH, WITH THE OWNERS, UH, WE, WE HAVE ARRIVED AT THE THIRD ITERATION AND THAT'S WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED TODAY.
AND I'M GONNA SHARE THAT SCREEN IF I CAN GET IT TO WORK.
SO ON C TWO, YOU, THE, THE FIRST ONE IN YOUR PACKET IS THE MOST RECENT, AND THEN IT GOES BACKWARDS.
SO THE OLDEST IS WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN.
AND I WAS FOR A WHILE CONFUSED BY THE BOOK THAT APPEARED TO CHANGE
YEAH, YEAH, IT DID, IT DID CHANGE.
AND IT'S, IT'S GOTTEN MUCH BETTER.
OKAY, SO, SO I'M GONNA, I'M, I'M GOING TO LET THEM PRESENT AND I WILL GO THROUGH THE SLIDES AS YOU, JUST LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU WANT ME TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, ARE YOU MR. ROBERTS? I AM.
I DO NEED YOU TO TELL US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
UH, MY NAME'S TRUETT ROBERTS AND I LIVE AT 64 38 VICTORY BOULEVARD.
AND YOU ARE GOING TO PRESENT THIS? YES.
UM, THIS IS A TWO AND A HALF STORY, SIX UNIT TOWNHOUSE PROJECT AT THE CORNER.
YOUR MICROPHONE'S NOT ON, SIR, OR YOU'RE NOT CLOSE ENOUGH TO IT? ONE OR THE OTHER.
DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? UH, COMMISSIONER OSA, CAN YOU HEAR WHEN HE SPEAKS? YES.
TWO AND A HALF STORIES, SIX UNITS, TOWNHOUSE, WARNER, ROOF AND STATE.
AND, UH, WE HAVE TRIED TO, UH, THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, UH, CONFORM TO THE MASSING AND THE FORM AND THE MATERIALS ANALYSIS AND LOCATION.
WE WERE IN THE CORE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THE ENTRANCE TO THE, UM, TO THE DRIVEWAY OFF THE ALLEY.
INITIALLY IT WAS IN FRONT, UH, BUT WE'VE GOT SOME FEEDBACK ABOUT THAT THAT HAD DIDN'T WORK WITH THE NEIGHBOR.
UM, THE MATERIALS ARE BRICK, UH, SHINGLE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE WINDOWS ARE SINGLE HUNG, DARK COLORED FLAT WOOD WINDOWS.
UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE CAN I TELL YOU? THESE ARE, THESE ARE PICTURES OF, UH, STRUCTURES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
NOT EVERY ONE OF THEM IS IN CORE, UH, BUT THEY, THEY REPRESENT A, UH, EXAMPLES OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE SOME HUDSON SIMILAR HAVE, SAME THING.
THIS IS THE GROUND FLOOR AND THE SITE PLAN SHOWING US SIX UNITS.
THE TWO FRONT UNITS ON THE RIGHT ARE THE ONES, UM, THAT WE HAVE WORKED ON TO INCLUDE BAYS AND PORCHES.
UH, BASED ON THE PREVIOUS, UM, DISCUSSIONS, THE ENTRIES ON ROOTS ON THE LONG SIDE ROUTE.
STREET SIDE ARE, UH, HAVE PORCHES AS WELL.
SO EACH UNIT HAS A PORCH EXCEPT THE ONES IN BACK.
THIS, THE SECOND FLOOR, YOU CAN SEE THE CENTER IN THE CENTER THAT'S OPEN.
SO, UH, PLEASE CLUSTER AROUND THAT OPENING SPACE IN THE CENTER.
UH, YEAH, AND YOU CAN SEE THE SECOND FLOOR PORCHES AND, UH, BAY IS PING, WHICH, AND ON THE OTHER SIDE AS WELL.
UM, MOST OF THE, THE SHAPES ARE EXTENDING KIND OF OUTWARD FROM THE CENTRAL FLOOR.
I MEAN, ARE THE DORMERS, UM, THIS IS THE, YEP, THAT'S THE ROOF PLAN.
THE ROOF, UH, FROM THE STREET SIDES, UH, IS PITCHED UPWARD, SO IT GETS TO A CERTAIN POINT AND THEN IT, ITS DOWNWARD, UM, IF IT'S NOT VISIBLE ON THE SCREEN.
UM, AND IT PITCHES INTO A, A CENTRAL PORT WHERE THE DRAIN CAN BE COLLECTED AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THIS IS THE FACADE THAT IS BASED ON PREVIOUS COMMENTS, WHICH IS WAS TO PUT ADD PORCHES PUSHED THE CENTER SECTION BACK INTERSECTION IS NOW BACK ABOUT FOOT AND A HALF, HALF FOOT AND A HALF.
UM, AND THEN DORMERS ARE FACED WITH SHIELD, UH, ALL OF THEM.
AND THEN WE HAD A, WE HAD AN OPTION FOR SIDING BECAUSE ONE OF
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THE COMMENTS WE GOT WAS, YOU SHOULD MAKE IT LOOK MORE LIKE A SEPARATE UNIT.WE THOUGHT SIGNING SEPARATE, UH, MORE, BUT REALLY THE, WE FOUND THAT THE BRICK WAS PREFERRED.
UH, IT'S HARD TO TELL FROM THEY'RE GOING, BUT THERE ARE BAYS, THE, THE, EACH ONE BAY STICKS OUT AND, UH, PORCHES CAN SEE THAT THE PAINTING WALKINS ARE SLOPE THE TIGHT, UH, OH.
AND ALSO THE WINDOW IN THE OPENING.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO EXTEND? I MAKE A MOTION TO GIVE HIM TWO MORE MINUTES.
UH, THE ONLY THING I WANT TO ADD ON THIS IS THAT ALL OF THE LENTILS AND THE SILTS ARE PRECAST.
UM, THAT IS THE BACK, THAT'S THE OPENING FOR THE CARS.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE MATERIAL, YOU KNOW, SORT OF AS IS WHEN THE DEAL, THE SHINGLES WILL BE A KIND OF A DARK GRAY, A BRICK WITH REDISH BRICK.
THE PAINT WILL BE A KIND OF A NEUTRAL, BUT IT, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE END OF THE, I DID WANT TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, IN YOUR CASE REPORT, I DID INCLUDE PREVIOUS COMMENTS.
UM, MOST OF THEM HAVING TO DO WITH THE CARRIAGEWAY IN THE MIDDLE, THE FRONT MIDDLE THAT IS NOW GONE.
UM, AND PORCHES, WHICH ARE NOW THERE, AND GABLES, WHICH ARE ALSO NOW, UM, RECONFIGURED FROM WHAT YOU STARTED WITH.
SO WE HAVE TWO OTHER SPEAKERS THAT ARE SIGNED UP.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, MICHAEL MCGEE.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE JUDY SMITH HEARST.
WELL, THOMAS, UM, ON THE TASK FORCE.
AND THIS LOOKS SO MUCH BETTER THAN IT DID.
UM, THE IDEA OF BRICK IS REALLY NICE.
THE, THE ROOF REALLY HAS IMPROVED.
UH, MR. ROBERTS, IF YOU MIGHT WANT TO COME BACK UP, 'CAUSE I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, UH, FROM THE COMMISSION.
UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING AND GIVING, COMING UP WITH A REALLY GREAT END RESULT.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A REALLY GREAT ASSET TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I DO THINK THE FRONT SIDE SHOULD BE ALL BRICK, THOUGH.
THE WOOD INSERT LOOKS A LITTLE AWKWARD TO ME.
UM, UH, THE WIND WINDOWS, ARE THEY WOOD WINDOWS? WOOD CLAD.
WOOD WITH A, UH, THIN MILK PADDING ON THE OUTSIDE.
THEY'RE WOOD SINGLE HUNG WITH A, A THIN METAL PLA PLATING ON THE OUTSIDE.
SO THEY'RE COLLATERAL WITH METAL ON THE OUTSIDE? THEY ARE, BUT THE METAL'S POWDER COATED.
IT'S MOSTLY, IT'S LESS, IT'S MOSTLY AN ISSUE ABOUT MAINTENANCE.
THESE WINDOWS WILL LAST TYPICALLY, SAY THOMAS REQUIRES WOOD WINDOWS.
CAN STAFF CHECK, IS IT, DOES IT STAY WW WOOD WINDOWS OR TYPICAL TO THE STYLE OR? WE, WE WOULD STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND SOMETHING SIMILAR TO, TO WHAT YOU DID AT THE CORNER OF SWISS AND PEAK, WHERE WE ALLOWED FOR CLAD WINDOWS BECAUSE IT IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION AND IS A MULTI-FAMILY.
AND YOU DON'T SHOW THE DOORS AT ALL.
UM, THE DOORS SHOULD BE WOOD WITH THE GLASS, UH, LIGHT, UH, SOMETHING APPROPRIATE TO VICTORIAN STYLE.
DO YOU HAVE A DOOR THAT I DON'T SEE IN HERE, OR NO.
UM, AND WE, WE SHOULD HAVE CHANGED THAT IT SLIPPED THROUGH.
THE PAINT SHOULD BE MADE, BUT WE BLINK INTEND TO DO THAT.
BUT TYPICALLY VICTORIAN HOUSES HAVE A, LIKE A PANEL DOWN BELOW AND A WINDOW ABOVE SOMETHING.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO COMPLIMENT THE DESIGNERS.
I THINK THE, UH, THE AMENDMENTS THIS, THIS MONTH ARE DRASTIC IMPROVEMENT.
I, I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK FOR DOING THAT.
UM, HOWEVER, THERE ARE STILL JUST SOME MINOR, MINOR TWEAKS, SO, AND THEY'RE VERY MINOR.
UM, BUT, UH, ONE THING I WAS, UH, GOING TO WANT TO SUGGEST IS BECAUSE OF THE SCALE OF THE, THE LARGER
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GABLES, YOU MAY CONSIDER SHED GABLES ON THE, OR SHED, UH, DORMERS RATHER THAN THE GABLED ONES THERE.I THINK PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU LOOK DOWN THE ELEVATION, INSTEAD OF SEEING ALL, I MEAN, THERE'S OUT, I CAN'T REMEMBER THERE'S EIGHT OR MORE, UH, BUT IT MIGHT, THEY MIGHT, UH, LOOK BETTER IF THEY WERE, UH, SHUT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
ARE ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE LARGER TABLES, THE SMALLER ONES? THE, THE DORMERS, THE SMALLER DORMERS ON THE VERY TOP.
THE, THE SMALLER DORMERS ON THIS ELEVATION? CORRECT.
UM, AND THEN, LET'S SEE, ON THE, UH, ON, ON THIS PARTICULAR ELEVATION, ON THE SECOND, BASICALLY IT'S IN THE MIDDLE, UH, GABLE AT THE FRONT DOOR.
UM, I KNOW YOU HAD TO KIND OF NOTCH OUT THAT, THAT BAY THAT POPPED OUT.
I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR A LITTLE BIT BETTER RESOLUTION ON WHERE, HOW, HOW THAT FRONT DOOR WORKS.
EITHER IT'S ON THE BAY ITSELF, AND IT, YOU KNOW, THAT IS AT A, UH, AT AN ANGLE TOO, OR IT'S, IT MOVES SLIGHTLY TO THE, TO THE LEFT IN THIS INSTANCE, UM, ON THE, THE FRONT PORCH.
UM, WOULD YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW WHAT THE DIMENSION NOW IS BETWEEN THE BAY AND THE AND THE EDGE OF THE PORCH? IT'S CLOSE.
UM, ALL I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THERE IS TO MAKE IT LIVABLE.
30 INCHES IS A LITTLE TIGHT OR EVEN A CHAIR.
UM, BUT YEAH, EITHER, EITHER BY REDUCING THE ANGLE OF THE BAY OR, OR SOMETHING TO, YOU KNOW, TO HELP NUDGE THAT OUT.
AND IT'S, UM, I'M BEING TOLD IT'S 36, BUT I TAKE YOUR POINT.
AND, UM, WE'RE BUMPING UP AGAINST THE SETBACK.
THE SETBACK ONE, WE CAN STILL YEAH.
I, I THINK THE, THE, UH, THE BUYER WOULD, WOULD APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO USE THE PORCH.
AND THEN ON THE GROUND LEVEL, I KNOW THIS WAS NITPICKING AGAIN TOO, BUT, AND I KNOW THOSE ARE TWO BATHROOMS ON THE GROUND LEVEL.
BUT, UM, BUT THE FACT THAT IF IT COULD, I KNOW YOU'RE ALIGNING THE WINDOWS TOO, BUT JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK THERE.
EITHER A PAIR OF SMALLER WINDOWS OR, OR SOMETHING TO GET, UM, UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S SYMMETRICAL TOO, BUT THE SCALE FEELS OFF JUST HAVING THE ONE INSTEAD OF THE, INSTEAD OF A PAIR.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST ONE WAS THE EXTENSION.
LIKE IF YOU GO BACK TO THE RENDERING, UM, IT APPEARS THAT THE EXTENSION OF THE RAKE ON THE MAJOR GABLES IS REALLY FAR.
MAYBE EXCESSIVE FOUR FEET OR SO.
UH, I WOULD PROPOSE LIKE THREE FEET OR LESS.
UM, I KNOW YOU CAN PUSH THE, THE WALL INSIDE THAT GABLE OUT A LITTLE FURTHER.
IT, UM, IT, IT JUST SEEMED A LITTLE LARGE.
UH, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROPOSAL.
UNLESS THERE ANY OTHER NO, I'M BACK THERE AND ALL AROUND.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT? ONE MORE.
UM, ABOVE THE WINDOWS, THERE'S, UM, LENTILS.
ARE THOSE, ARE THOSE CASTSTONE? WE'RE NOT DONE.
TURNS OUT
BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THAT, SO YEAH.
SO ARE WE READY TO MOVE TO THE NEXT CASE? ALL RIGHTY.
AND WHO ARE THE SPEAKERS? HELLO, THIS IS DAVID RAMSEY AT F 5,400 LBT.
YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR HER FIRST THOUGH, SIR.
AND THEN THEY GET THE LAST WORD AT THE END.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1201 MAIN STREET.
IT IS ONE MAIN PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 26 DASH 48.
THE REQUEST ARE AS FOLLOWS, ONE.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR EXTERIOR REHABILITATION OF SOUTH PRIMARY ELEVATION ON THE GROUND
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LEVEL, WHICH INCLUDES REMOVAL OF TWO EXISTING ALUMINUM ENTRY MARQUEE STRUCTURES, INSTALLATION OF NEW MARQUES STRUCTURE AT CENTER OF ELEVATION, REMOVAL OF EXISTING PAVING AND LIGHT POLE AND REPLACEMENT WITH NEW LANDSCAPED INFILL AND BALLARD LIGHTS AT SOUTH SIDE VEHICULAR DROP-OFF AND INSTALLATION OF NEW RAISED PLANTER BOXES ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED NEW CENTRAL MARQUEE.THE SECOND REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR FENESTRATION ALTERATION ON THE GROUND FLOOR, WHICH INCLUDES REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING REVOLVING DOORS AND SWING DOORS WITH NEW GLAZING TO MATCH EXISTING AND OR NEW VEGETABLES WITH MATCHING MILLIONS AND MOUNTAINS ON SOUTH AND NORTH ELEVATIONS.
I'LL BE QUIET UNTIL YOU GUYS TELL ME TO SPEAK
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR EXTERIOR REHABILITATION OF SOUTH PRIMARY ELEVATION GROUND LEVEL, WHICH INCLUDES REMOVAL OF TWO EXISTING ALUMINUM ENTRY MARQUEE STRUCTURES, INSTALLATION OF NEW MARQUEE STRUCTURE AT CENTER OF ELEVATION, REMOVAL OF EXISTING PAVING AND LIGHT POLE AND REPLACEMENT OF NEW LANDSCAPE INFILL AND BALL OF LIGHTS AT SOUTH SIDE OR DROP OFF AND INSTALLATION OF NEW RAISED PLANTER BOXES ADJACENT TO PROPOSED NEW CENTRAL MARQUEE BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR FENESTRATION ALTERATION ON THE GROUND FLOOR, WHICH INCLUDES REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING REVOLVING DOORS AND SWING DOORS WITH NEW GLAZING TO MATCH EXISTING AND OR NEW VESTI WITH BATCHING MILLIONS AND MUS ON SOUTH AND NORTH ELEVATIONS BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT APPLICANT INCREASE THE CLEAR WALKING PATH THROUGH THE ARCADE WHEN THE DOORS ARE OPEN.
NOW, MR. RAMSEY
UH, 5,400 LBJ FREEWAY, SUITE 1 25, DALLAS, TEXAS.
UH, AND I SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.
OKAY, SIR, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US SOME MORE ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.
WELL, THANKS FOR HAVING US BACK.
UH, AS YOU MIGHT RECALL, WE WERE HERE IN DECEMBER, UH, LOOKING AT THIS VERY PROJECT, UH, AND I SEE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITIONS, SO THAT'S GREAT.
I DID WANNA ADDRESS, UH, THE CONDITIONS, 3.5, 3.8, AND 9.7, UH, AND JUST NOTE, UH, THAT WE DO PLAN TO REPLACE WITH MATCHING PAVING, UH, PER 3.5.
AND THEN ON 3.8, THE INTENT IS TO, UH, INSTALL TEXAS NATIVE PLANTS AND KEEP THAT AT A LOWER PROFILE AS TO NOT BLOCK THE FACADE.
AND THEN FOR, FOR, UH, 9.7, UH, THE, THE NEW MARQUEE STRUCTURE IS INTENDED TO BE FULLY SELF-SUPPORTING.
UH, THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THAT INSTALLED WITH SOME LIGHTWEIGHT SPACE FRAMING, AND IT WOULD BE FULLY SELF-SUPPORTING, NOT TIED INTO THE BUILDING.
WE ARE IN FACT HOLDING IT OFF, UH, NINE INCHES FROM THE EXISTING FACADE.
SO THE ONLY TIE IN WOULD BE TO THE BASE BELOW, UM, THE EXISTING BEAM, BELOW THE STRUCTURE.
UH, BUT YES, THAT IS THE INTENT FOR A FULLY SELF-SUPPORTING STRUCTURE.
SO JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON THOSE.
UH, AS FOR THE FENESTRATION
UH, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT WE CAN STILL HOPEFULLY INSTALL THOSE VESTIBULES THAT ARE LOCATED AT THE CENTER AREAS OF THE NORTH AND SOUTH FACADES.
UH, SO THOSE WOULD BE TO REPLACE THE EXISTING SWING DOORS.
UH, AND THE PURPOSE FOR THAT WOULD BE THAT THE NEW MARQUEE STRUCTURE IS REALLY CALLING, UH, THAT CENTRAL AREA TO BE THE NEW PRIMARY ENTRY.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE, UM, FROM A MECHANICAL, UH, AND ENERGY, UH, STANDPOINT AT THOSE VESTIBULES AT THE NORTH AND SOUTH LOCATION, AND ONLY REPLACE THE SWING DOORS WHILE MAINTAINING ALL OF THE EXISTING REVOLVING DOORS, IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER THAT.
WE ALSO NEED YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOUR AFFIRMATION THAT YOU WILL TELL THE TRUTH.
MY ADDRESS IS, UM, 5 4 2 0 LBJ.
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THAT YOU WANNA TELL THE TRUTH,SO WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ADDRESSING POTENTIAL ISSUES WITH YOUR PROJECT? WELL, ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS IS, UM, FROM A SECURITY ASPECT, WE REALLY FEEL THAT THE CENTRAL POINT OF ENTRY WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE BUILDING FOR THEM TO NAVIGATE, FOR THE SECURITY PERSONNEL TO NAVIGATE FROM, UH, WITH THE CENTRAL ACCESS POINT THAT WE'RE HOPING TO CREATE WITH THE NEW MARQUE.
SO I HOPE THAT YOU ALL WILL CONSIDER THE SECURITY ASPECT, UM, WITH THE DECISION TODAY IN ADDING VESTIGE.
AND, AND MAY I ASK IF THE SECURITY IS A CONSIDERATION WITH THE REVOLVING DOOR ISSUE? WELL, IT'S JUST THAT WITH THE REVOLVING DOORS, THERE'S MULTIPLE ACCESS POINTS.
AND WITH THE MARQUES, WE'RE HOPING THAT THE IDEA IS THAT THE CENTRAL ASPECT, UM, WILL CREATE THIS MAIN ENTRY POINT ALONG THE MIDDLE WITH THE VESTIBULES, ALONG WITH THE DESIGN OF THE MARQUES.
SO PEOPLE WILL NATURALLY JUST WANNA GO THROUGH THE MIDDLE CENTRAL ENTRY POINTS.
SO NOW WE WILL ASK QUESTIONS AND EITHER ONE OF YOU WHO NEEDS TO ANSWER OR CAN DO.
SO, COMMISSIONERS COMMISSIONER RENO.
UM, I HAD SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING THE MARQUEE ITSELF.
UM, I THINK YOU HAD CALLED OUT OR IN THE DOCKET IT WAS CALLED OUT THAT, THAT IT'S A FIBER CEMENT BOARD, BUT, UM, I MEAN, GENERALLY IN MY EXPERIENCE, IT'S A PRETTY THIN MATERIAL.
UM, DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE TRYING TO MIMIC THE, THE AGGREGATE CONCRETE OR, OR WHAT YOU'RE GOING FOR THERE.
UH, SO THE INTENT IS THAT, UM, WE ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTIATING FROM THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
UH, WE DID, UH, REVIEW THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR'S BRIEF 14.
UH, AND NOTE THAT IT DOES CALL FOR SIMILARITIES, BUT ALSO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DIFFERENTIATION, DIFFERENTIATION FROM THE OLD, UH, TO THE NEW.
UH, SO WE'RE STILL MAINTAINING THE EXISTING COLOR OF THE FACADE, UH, AND THE FACT THAT IT'S A CONCRETE MATERIAL, BUT OF THE, THE ACTUAL PANELS THEMSELVES WOULD BE A SMOOTHER FINISH.
UH, SO IT WOULDN'T BE TO NECESSARILY MIMIC THE AGGREGATE.
UM, IT WOULD, IT WOULD JUST RELATE TO THE OVERALL BRUTALIST STYLE OF THE BUILDING.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? UM, YES.
SO THEN THE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION WOULD BE HOW IT WOULD GET DETAILED, UM, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY CORNERS AND THE, UM, THE ROOF CONDITION, FACADE CONDITIONS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, WE DO HAVE, UH, A FLASHING TRIM AT THE VERY TOP OF THE ROOF.
UH, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE A WHOLE INTERNAL GUTTER SYSTEM, UH, THAT WOULD BE ROUTED DOWN THROUGH THE EXTERIOR SIDES AND THEN THROUGH THE PLANTERS TO DISCHARGE ON THE SIDE.
UH, AS FAR AS WATERPROOFING GOES, UM, WE WOULD HAVE THEM ON STANDOFFS FROM THE STRUCTURE WITHIN, UH, AND WE'VE ALLOWED FOR A TOE KICK AT THE BOTTOM FOR WATER RUNOFF THROUGH THERE.
SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF EXTERIOR CORNERS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU'RE BASICALLY MIMICKING THE SAME PATTERN THAT GOES, UH, THROUGH THE INSIDE.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF OUTSIDE CORNERS MM-HMM
AND I KNOW GENERALLY WITH, WITH, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, THE CEMENTITIOUS PANELS THAT YOU EITHER HAVE TO INTRODUCE A DIFFERENT MATERIAL MM-HMM
OR, UH, OR AN OVERLAPPING MATERIAL, WHICH THEN, YOU KNOW, MAKES IT LOOK LIKE A WOOD CONSTRUCTION RATHER THAN CEMENT OR CONCRETE.
UM, I DO THINK THAT IS A DETAIL WE WOULD NEED TO CONTINUE TO DEVELOP, UH, AS WE MOVE FURTHER.
UM, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD SEE MAYBE A CORK MITER OR SOMETHING FOR THE PANEL, UM, TO CREATE THAT, UH, THAT OUTSIDE PROFILE.
SO, I MEAN, I GUESS THEN A QUESTION, UH, TO STAFF WOULD BE, 'CAUSE THOSE CORNER, THOSE DETAILS ARE GONNA BE, IN MY OPINION, VERY IMPORTANT.
AND BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE SUBMITTAL AT THE MOMENT, I GUESS WE CAN JUST ADD IT AS A, UH, UH, AS A CONDITION, BUT AT SOME POINT WE NEED SOME ADDITIONAL REVIEW OF IT, OR I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT AGAIN.
UM, ADDITIONAL REVIEW WOULD REQUIRE DENIAL TODAY.
COULD, COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? I'M SORRY.
WELL, UM, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR US TO MAKE A, UH, A TRUE JUDGMENT ON THE EXECUTION OF THE NEW MATERIAL.
I MEAN, FOR THE, FOR THE MARQUEE ITSELF.
SO EITHER WE DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE OR ADD THE CONDITION, BUT IT, EVEN IF WE ADDED THE CONDITION, WE WOULDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT.
I MEAN, STAFF WOULD, BUT IF YOU, IF YOU ADD A CONDITION, IT WOULD'VE TO BE STAFF REVIEW.
OTHERWISE IT, OTHERWISE YOU DO NEED TO DO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE, JUST AND ASK THEM, COME TO COME BACK NEXT MONTH.
AND I THINK, WELL, WE'D HAVE TO GET RIGHT ON IT BECAUSE IF WE WANT 'EM TO COME NEXT MONTH,
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LIKE, WELL, THEY'RE COMING BACK NEXT MONTH FOR AN AMENDMENT TO WHAT WAS APPROVED WHEN IN JANUARY.SO WE COULD, IF THEY COULD TURN THAT AROUND PRETTY QUICKLY, WE COULD YEAH, YEAH.
I THINK WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
COMMISSIONER RENO, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT WOULD WORK FOR THAT CORNER? NOT REALLY.
UM, I'VE USUALLY SEEN IT REPLACING, UM, WOOD.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S EITHER TRYING TO MIMIC WOOD, UM, OR STUCCO.
AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK EITHER OF THOSE ARE, ARE APPROPRIATE FOR, UM, A CONCRETE, I MEAN, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU'RE TO COMPARE IT TO THE AN TO THE OTHER MARQUEES THAT WERE DONE FOR THE WESTIN, THOSE WERE ALL STAINLESS STEEL OR, OR SOME METAL, WHICH WAS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
UM, SO WE'RE KIND OF HALFWAY IN BETWEEN MM-HMM
UM, BECAUSE IT'S, IT IS A, TRYING TO LOOK LIKE SOME KIND OF CAST MATERIAL, BUT IT'S NOT.
AND THAT'S WHERE I'M AFRAID THE DETAIL IN THE DETAILS THAT'LL, UNLESS WE GET THEM RIGHT, IT'S GONNA LOOK VERY INEXPENSIVE.
SO IS IT INHERENT, DO YOU THINK, IN THE CHOICE OF THIS MATERIAL FOR THE PANELS THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA, THAT THIS PROBLEM WILL NOT BE SOLVABLE, THEY NEED A DIFFERENT MATERIAL, OR, I'M NOT SURE.
I, I REALLY NEED TO SEE WHAT, BUT THAT YOU THINK ABOUT THAT WHAT THE SOLUTION? YES.
WHO ELSE? COMMISSIONER HARPER.
AND JUST A QUESTION I MAKE SURE I'M KEEPING UP HERE.
SO, UH, AM I HEARING THAT YOU GUYS ARE AGREEABLE TO LEAVING THE REVOLVING DOORS AND PRIMARILY NOW YOU'RE ASKING FOR A NEW ENTRY VESTIBULE ON THE, ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH? YES, SIR.
IN THE CENTER OF THE FACADE? MM-HMM
IS IT, DID Y'ALL LOOK AT, IS IT POSSIBLE TO PULL THOSE VESTIBULE SO THEY'RE ENTIRELY INTERIOR SO THAT WE DON'T ALTER THE PROTECTED FACADE IN ARCADE? WE DID LOOK AT THAT, UM, OUR ORIGINAL SUBMISSION TO THE TASK FORCE, WE HAD IT FURTHER OUT, UH, AND WE DID PULL IT IN A FEW FEET MORE.
HOWEVER, IF YOU WERE TO GO FULLY INTO THE INTERIOR, IT REALLY DOES HAVE SOME NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON THE INTERIOR SPACE.
SO WE PLACED IT AS FAR AS FAR AS FAR IN AS WE CAN BEFORE WE, WE WERE STARTING TO COMPROMISE, UM, NEGATIVELY ON THE INTERIOR.
WHILE ALSO MAINTAINING THE MM-HMM.
YOU DONE, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? UH, YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT SOME OF THE DETAILS.
UH, COULD YOU GO TO PA UH, PAGE 3 31? MINE ISN'T, UH, ORGANIZED THAT WAY.
WHAT ARE YOU? OKAY, WELL, I'LL, I'LL TRY TO DESCRIBE IT.
THE CANOPY THAT IS, THAT, UH, THAT IS DESCRIBED HAS SORT OF A GLASS HALO OVER THE TOP.
AND I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO GO TO 1968, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT, I THINK THAT'S MORE CONTEMPORARY.
UH, I WOULD PREFER SOMETHING THAT WAS, UH, MORE SIMPLE, THAT DOESN'T GIVE YOU A FEELING OF FALSE SENSE OF HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT.
UH, ANY OF YOUR ARCHITECTS, YOU KIND OF KNOW MORE ABOUT SIX SIXTIES ARCHITECTURE.
IS THERE SOMETHING BETTER FOR THE CANOPY THAN THAT GLASS CANOPY, WHICH I THINK IS MORE OF A 1980S LOOK OR MORE TEMPORARY? I, I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE EXISTING CANOPIES AND NOT WHAT THE PROPOSING WELL, THERE'S A, A CANOPY THERE THAT'S, ISN'T THERE A, A NEW CANY WITH THE GLASS HALO THERE? UH, THERE ARE TWO, UM, THOSE EXISTING MARQUEES ON THE SOUTH END, UH, WHICH WE ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE.
WELL, ONE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS THE SIGNAGE.
ARE THERE ANY HISTORICAL PICTURES OF WHAT KIND OF SIGNAGE WAS THERE IN 68? UH, NOT THAT WE COULD FIND, UH, THE EXISTING SIGNAGE TODAY, WHICH IS THE LARGE BLACK LETTERING DIMENSIONAL LETTERING ON THE FACADE.
THOSE, UH, WE DON'T BELIEVE THOSE ARE HICKS HISTORICAL AND THAT THE, THE BIG BLACK LETTERS, I THINK 19 2017.
UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE SIGNAGE THAT I SHOW HERE ON, UH, 3 75.
IT'S KIND OF AN, UH, IS THAT A 1960 SEVENTIES TYPE SET? THE, I'M KIND OF CONFUSED ON THAT ALSO THOUGH, ON THE TYPEFACE.
WHAT IT SAYS ONE MAIN, I HONESTLY WOULDN'T KNOW.
UM, WELL, IT'S, YOU CAN'T, CAN YOU BRING UP THE SIGNAGE, THE, THE NEW SIGNAGE THAT'S ON THE CANOPY? OKAY.
HERE'S SOME OF IT AND IT'LL HELP YOU.
IT'S ON PAGE 3, 3 75 OF OUR DOCKET PAGE.
I DUNNO IF YOU CAN FIND THAT OR NOT.
THERE IS AN ELEVATION THAT IS SOLELY OF THE SIGNAGE.
UM, IF YOU WANTED TO PULL THAT UP, SEE IF
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I CAN, IT'S WITHIN THE SAME DOCUMENT.I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DO A TYPE SET THAT IS KIND OF OF THE 1960S AND SEVENTIES, AND I DON'T, THAT DOES NOT LOOK FAMILIAR TO ME.
IT'S THEIR EXHIBIT E AS THE SIGNED FILM.
THAT TINY NUMBER UNDERNEATH EXTERIOR ELEVATION APPEARS WHAT THEY 72
WHAT, WHAT IS THAT TYPE SETTING AND WHERE, WHERE, WHAT TIME PERIOD IS IT FROM? UM, I'LL BE HONEST, I WISH I COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU, BUT I, I CANNOT.
UM, AND I WILL SAY SIGNAGE IS MAY BE ONE PORTION THAT WE WOULD WANT TO TABLE AND COME BACK TO IN THE FUTURE.
UM, WE DON'T AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME KNOW FOR SURE IF OUR CLIENT IS LOOKING INTO ANY REBRANDING.
UM, AND SO THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE ONE ITEM THAT WE DO REVISIT.
I WOULD PREFER A TYPE SET THAT IS OF THE 1960S, EARLY SEVENTIES.
AND I THINK THAT'S REAL IMPORTANT.
SOMETHING SIMPLE, SIMPLE AND BOLD.
I KIND OF LIKE THE ONE MAIN PLACE WITH THE, THE BIG BLACK LETTERS, BUT THAT'S NOT HISTORICAL.
SO,
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TYPES THAT THIS IS THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED.
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE MUCH WRONG WITH IT.
UH, OTHER RELATES TO THIS OR KNOW WHAT TIME PERIOD IT COMES FROM.
SO I THINK MORE RESEARCH, BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO PUT THIS BACK TO A, A PERIOD LOOK, THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT.
I, I THINK THE SEMANTICS OF THE SIGN AND THE TEXT IS ARBITRARY IF WE DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF WHAT WAS IN 1960.
SO TRYING TO NOT MATCH WHAT WAS THERE SET BEFORE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TYPEFACE IS UNLESS WE CAN COME AND STATE A TYPEFACE, LIKE A SAMSARA FOR, OR WHAT TYPE WE BELIEVE IS HISTORICAL.
I THINK IT'S UP TO US TO TRY TO GIVE THEM SOME DIRECTION.
BUT IS THERE A TYPEFACE THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN USED ON SIGNAGE IN 19 68, 70? PROBABLY NOT THIS.
WELL, I THINK IT'S UP TO US TO GIVE THEM DIRECTION INSTEAD OF SAYING THIS IS TOO MODERN.
MY DIRECTION WOULD BE RESEARCH WHAT KIND OF SIGN WERE ON BUILDINGS IN 1970S.
AND IN GENERAL, I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT LIFE WEBSITE.
I, I SUSPECT SANER IS COMMON AT THAT TIME.
I ALSO SUSPECT THAT GRAPHIC ARTISTS WHO CHOOSE FONTS ARE AWARE OF WHICH ONES ARE IDENTIFIABLE WITH PARTICULAR PERIODS IN THEIR OWN HISTORY.
AND SO MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME UP.
AND IT SOUNDS AS IF YOU WOULD NOT BE TROUBLED OR SURPRISED IF YOU GOT SOME SORT OF APPROVAL TODAY THAT EXCLUDED ANY SIGNAGE FROM THIS PACKAGE AND THAT THAT REQUIRES FUTURE APPROVAL, WHATEVER ELSE WE MIGHT APPROVE TODAY.
SO CLEARLY THERE'S EXTREME CONCERN THAT YOU TRY TO FIND A FONT AND A ASSIGNED STYLE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN SEEN ON BUILDINGS OF THIS TYPE ABOUT THE TIME THAT IT OPENED
JUST NONE OF US OFFHAND, APPARENTLY
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS, DO YOU HAVE YOUR TO YEAH, I WANTED TO CONCUR, UM, WHAT COMMISSIONER REYNOLD WAS STATING EARLIER.
I DO HAVE CONCERNS WITH, UH, SOME OF THE LACK OF DETAIL THAT MAY BE HERE THAT WE DON'T HAVE.
UM, MAYBE EVEN A SAMPLE OF WHAT THE CEMENTS BOARD WOULD EVEN BE.
THE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, A SAMPLE ON THE HAND WOULD BE, WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
UM, WE'RE KIND OF CONCERNED ALSO WITH THE, UM, THE, I KNOW SOME, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU'RE WORKING WITH AN INTERIOR GUTTER SYSTEM AND THEN YOU LACK THE WATER, AND THEN WHERE DOES WATER GO? AND THEN FASTENERS THAT'S USED FLASHING THAT'S USED, STAINING THAT CAN ACTUALLY START COMING DOWN TO A CERTAIN POINT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANNA BUILD THIS.
AND THEN, THEN A YEAR LATER THEN WE SEE THE, THE NCE OF THE STAINING OF, SO NOBODY WANTS TO SEE THAT.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ON THE FRONT, EXCUSE ME, I'M HAVING AN EXCUSE.
DO YOU HAVE, UH, A CAP ON HERE THAT'S EXPOSED A TOP CAP THAT'S ON THE MARQUEE,
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UH, FOR THE DRAIN UHHUHAND YOU KNOW, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THAT? IS THAT LIKE THE METAL CABALLO METAL THAT'S PAINTED OUT? YES, IT WOULD BE METAL.
I JUST THINK THERE'S A LITTLE CONCERN WITH THE, I CONCUR WITH COMMISSIONER RENO ON SOME OF THE DETAILING ON WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON, I THINK WE'RE, WE NEED TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE SO WE CAN GET OUR HANDS AROUND EXACTLY HOW THIS IS GONNA REACT WHEN IT'S BUILT.
SO ARE YOU RATHER AGREEING THAT IF THEY WANNA USE MATERIAL, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THAT THEY'RE SUGGESTING THEY NEED TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE THE CORNERS LOOK MORE LIKE THE CORNERS OF THE CONCRETE OF THE BUILDING AND IF THEY CAN'T DO THAT, THEY MAY HAVE TO CONSIDER A DIFFERENT MATERIAL THAT YEAH, I THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE.
HOW THAT CORNER'S GONNA REACT
SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF YOUR CHALLENGE.
FIND SOMETHING THAT, BUT WE'RE COMFORTABLE, THE CORNERS WILL LOOK RIGHT AND NOT SCREAM, I'M MADE OF A DIFFERENT MATERIAL THAT'S VERY THIN PANELS OR GET DAMAGED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE CARDS WITH SUITCASES ON CRASH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER RENO? JUST A FEW MORE COMMENTS.
UM, ON THE VESTIBULE ITSELF, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, IT'S, UH, CENTERED THREE FEET IN EACH DIRECTION OFF OF THE EXTERIOR EXISTING EXTERIOR WALL, ROUGHLY.
SO THREE FEET IN, THEN THREE FEET OUT.
UM, BUT YOU WOULD THINK THAT EVEN IF YOU SPLIT IT LIKE TWO FEET ON OF AN EXTENSION, THEN FOUR FEET TO THE INSIDE, THAT WOULD DRASTICALLY CHANGE THE CIRCULATION PATTERN I, OR LAY OUT A PART? I I DO THINK IT WOULD, UM, WE CAN TAKE ANOTHER HARD LOOK AT IT, BUT, UM, WE DID STUDY AND LOOK AT IT IN DETAIL.
UM, AND THEN ONE MORE TIME REGARDING THE, THE MARQUEE.
I KNOW, I MEAN, GENERALLY WHEN YOU, WHEN WE MAKE, UM, YOU KNOW, AMENDMENTS LIKE THESE OR, YOU KNOW, CHANGES AND, AND RENOVATIONS AND SO FORTH, THAT, THAT THERE IS A GREATER SEPARATION BETWEEN, UH, WHAT'S NEW AND WHAT'S OLD.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO.
UH, I, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE, UM, WHERE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE ONE THAT WAS DONE BEFORE WAS, WAS DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT.
UM, A ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE MAY BE LIKE GFRC, UH, GYPSUM REINFORCED CONCRETE.
SO IT'S, IT'S A BIT MORE OF A MONOLITHIC MM-HMM
UH, APPEARANCE SO YOU DON'T GET AN, ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE MATERIAL AT JOINTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING ELSE TO CONSIDER.
SO ONE MORE TIME THEN THE DISTANCE, THE EXISTING DISTANCE BETWEEN THE, THE STOREFRONT AND THE COLUMNS IS HOW FAR EIGHT FEET, 10 FEET, UH, BETWEEN THE EXISTING CONDITION BETWEEN THE STOREFRONT AND THE BACK OF THE COLUMNS? OH.
UM, I BELIEVE IT'S NINE FOOT SEVEN ON THE DRAWING.
SO WE'RE TAKING OUT A THIRD OF THAT CIRCULATION BASED WHEN YOU'RE MOVING SIZE.
THE DIMENSION THAT WE HAVE IS, UH, SO THAT WE HAVE AT LEAST THREE FEET CLEAR WHEN THE DOOR IS SWUNG OPEN.
SO THEN THAT WAY WE'RE ALWAYS MAINTAINING A PATH OF TRAVEL FOR ANYONE THAT IS UNDERNEATH THE ARCADE.
I'M LOOKING AT THE PERSPECTIVE.
UM, YEAH, AGAIN, I'M JUST CONCERNED IF, IF ANYBODY TRAVELING DOWN THE, THE ARCADE, UM, YOU KNOW, AND HOW MUCH SPACE IS, IS LEFT, ONE MORE FOOT WITH DOOR IS NICE
UM, AND THEN ONE FINAL THING ON THE HARDWARE FOR THE DOOR FOR THE PUSH DOORS THEMSELVES, UM, LET'S SEE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, OR YOUR SUBMITTAL IS THE ENTICE SERIES? ENTRANCE SYSTEM.
ALRIGHT, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I, BECAUSE IF NOT, I WILL BE LOOKING FOR MOTION AND WE'VE DISCUSSED SEVERAL THINGS, SO IT SHOULD BE QUITE A MOTION.
I HAVE A MOTION TO THIS BEFORE YOU ALL MAKE THE MOTION.
WE DID WORK WITH
UM, AND WE DID TAKE GREAT LENGTHS TO KEEP INVOLVED THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
AND HE FEELS THAT THIS IS A GOOD COMPROMISE BETWEEN WHERE WE CAME FROM AND RESPECTING THE ORDINANCE AND THE DESIRES OF THE ORDINANCE, WHICH WE REALLY TRY TO DO AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALWAYS AIMING FOR TOO.
AND, UH, MR. ING CERTAINLY HAS EXPERIENCE AND I'M SURE HE GAVE YOU EXCELLENT ADVICE, THOUGH.
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AS FAR AS I KNOW, HE IS NOT A MIND READER, AND I'M SURE HE NEVER PROMISED THAT HE KNEW WHAT WE WERE THINKING.ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION? DO I SEE YOUR BRAIN TURNING MR. RENO, OR, YEAH, I HAVE A MOTION.
IT'S BAD WHEN I CAN SEE IT BECAUSE
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I GET ALL MY CONDITIONS IN HERE.
WELL, COMMISSIONER RENO IS THINKING THE, UH, WRITING ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT SAYS ONE MAIN PLACE THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE OBSCURED.
THE, I'M SORRY, THE EXISTING SIGNAGE THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH THE NEW SIGNAGE.
WHY? UM, WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY EMPHASIZE THIS NEW ENTRY.
UH, AND SO WE WANTED TO INCORPORATE SOME LIGHTING INTO THE FEATURE TO REALLY MAKE SURE THAT THIS ENTRY STANDS OUT AT NIGHT.
AND I BELIEVE STAFF SAID WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE THAT THAT ONE MAIN PLACE SIGN IS OLD ENOUGH TO BE MM-HMM
HISTORICAL OR EVEN ELDERLY, YOU KNOW,
UM, REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM 1 12 0 1 MAIN STREET, ALSO KNOWN AS COA TWO SIX, UM, FOUR EIGHT, THAT WE, LET'S SEE, FOLLOWS STAFF RECOMMEND, WELL, OKAY.
THAT WE APPROVE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, UM, THAT THE VESTIBULE, UM, EXTEND FROM THE EXISTING FACADE, UH, TWO FEET AND EXTEND INTO THE LOBBY FOUR FEET THAT THE, UH, MARQUEE, UM, BE MADE OF, UH, IN LIEU OF, UM, THE SUBMITTED MATERIAL THAT YOU SUBMIT, UM, UH, CAST REINFORCED CONCRETE, UH, GFRC OR GYPSUM REINFORCED CONCRETE, SORRY.
AND, UM, THAT THE, UH, THE EXISTING ENTRIES OR THE EXISTING CIRCULAR, SORRY, THE EXISTING, UM, UH,
SO I'M JUST GOING BACK THROUGH THE, THE OTHER CONDITIONS THAT, UM, STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED YES, THAT THE MARQUEE BE SELF-SUPPORTING AND FULLY REVERSIBLE WITH NO MINIMAL OR, OR NO DAMAGE TO THE FRONT FACADE.
UH, THAT THE NEW DRIVEWAY, SIDEWALK STEPS, UM, UH, MATCH THE EXISTING AND COLOR PATTERN AND TEXTURE THAT THE NEW PLANT MATERIAL BE NATIVE TO NORTH TEXAS.
UM, AND THAT WITH, UM, THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA STATED, UM, ON ITEM TWO THAT, UM, WELL, I JUST MENTIONED IT AS A CONDITION OF, OF ITEM ONE.
SO IF I MEAN TO TAKE THAT BACK OUT AND JUST SAY THAT WE ARE KEEPING THOSE, UM, THEN, UH, THEN THOSE WOULD BE, UH, DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
AND DID WE WANNA ADD IN SOMETHING ABOUT THE SIGNAGE AS SHOWN IN OUR PACKET TODAY IS NOT APPROVED AND THEY WILL WORK ON IT.
SO I SHALL LET THE ARGUMENTS ENSUE,
DO I HAVE A SECOND ON THIS? THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER REEVES.
OH, I WAS JUST GONNA JUMP IN THERE ON ASKING IF THE CHANGE OF MATERIALS WAS STILL GONNA BE BACK ONTO STAFF APPROVAL AS WELL, WHENEVER THEY MAKE THESE AND CHANGE IT.
YES, BECAUSE WELL, IN MY MIND, THE, THE, IF WE'RE UP FOR DISCUSSION NOW, DID, OR DID I GET A SECOND? YEAH, I CAN'T REMEMBER.
UM, UH, THE SUBMITTAL OF OF GFRC IS BASICALLY ELIMINATING ALL THE ISSUES THAT I HAD WITH CONNECTIONS.
THAT'S WHY YEAH, BUT IT STILL GOES UNDER YOUR EYES AND STUFF.
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ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, I, I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE HA.HAVE YOUR PLANS CHANGED SINCE THIS WAS INITIALLY SUBMITTED RE REGARDING THE REVOLVING DOORS?
I, I, I DID, I DID I HEAR Y'ALL SAY THAT Y'ALL WERE GOING TO BE REPLACING THE PROPOSED DOORS AND KEEPING THE REVOLVING DOOR IN THE VESTIBULE? YES.
WE WOULD MAINTAIN THE REVOLVING DOORS AND THEN ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH FACADES, THERE'S A SET OF SWING DOORS TOWARDS THE CENTER LOCATIONS ON EACH SIDE.
WE WOULD BE PROPOSING TO ONLY REPLACE THOSE WITH THE NEW VESTIBULE.
ALL REVOLVING DOORS WOULD REMAIN AS EXISTING.
INCLUDING IN THE MAIN ENTRANCE THERE WILL BE A REVOLVING DOOR OR NOT BY MAIN ENTRANCE.
IS IT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROPOSING TO HAVE ONE MAIN ENTRANCE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND WILL THERE BE REVOLVING DOORS IN THAT MAIN VESTIBULE ENTRANCE OR NOT? NO.
E EXISTING, THERE'S A SET OF DOUBLE SWING DOORS.
UH, WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THOSE AND REPLACE THEM WITH A NEW VESTIBULE.
AND ON THE REAR, ON THE NORTH SIDE, ARE YOU DOING THIS ON, ON THE NORTH SIDE AND THE SOUTH SIDE AT THOSE CENTRAL LOCATIONS? MOST PEOPLE, YES, MA'AM.
SO THE PLAN TODAY IS THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP THE REVOLVING DOORS.
WAIT, WHERE ARE YOU SHOWING? OKAY.
MAYBE I NEED TO STAND UP, BUT THEN THE PEOPLE AT HOME WON'T SEE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE TO THE LEFT, EVERYWHERE YOU SEE THE CROSS DOUBLE CROSSES, THOSE ARE REVOLVING DOORS.
THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP ALL FOUR SETS OF REVOLVING DOORS.
WHAT THEY'RE ADDING NOW IS ON THE PICTURE TO YOUR RIGHT, THEY'RE ADDING VESTIGO IN THE CENTER, BOTH ON THE SOUTH SIDE WHICH IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE AND THE NORTH SIDE.
SO THEY'RE KIND OF COMBINING THESE TWO PICTURES IS WHAT THE PLAN IS TODAY.
AND WAS THERE A SNAP RECOMMENDATION WITH RESPECT TO WHETHER RE REVOLVING DOORS NEEDED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE NORTH AND SOUTH NEW ENTRANCES? YES.
THERE WAS A STAFF, WELL, STAFF DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE THE REMOVAL OF THE REVOLVING DOORS, BECAUSE THOSE ARE A CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE.
SO THEY'VE ADDRESSED THAT ISSUE.
SO THEY'VE AGREED TODAY TO LEAVE THE REVOLVING DOORS.
AND STAFF, THEY LEARNED TO LOVE THE REVOLVING DOORS, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE WORKING SO MUCH
RIGHT? SO MR. RENO, WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO, UH, AN AMENDMENT TO YOUR MOTION TO RATHER THAN DENY WITH PREJUDICE THE SECOND PART TO ACCEPT IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION? OR SINCE THEY'VE ADDRESSED THAT ISSUE? I, I GUESS I MADE IT, UM, UH, COMPLICATED WHEN I INCLUDED IT AS A, AS A CONDITION IN THE FIRST ITEM.
UM, WHAT I WAS GOING TO WRITE AND WHAT I'M INTENDING HERE IS THAT THE TWO NEW VESTIBULES IN THE CENTER OF THE BUILDING, ONE NORTH AND ONE SOUTH, UM, ARE THE ONLY CHANGE TO THAT, TO THOSE TWO GLASS FACADES.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO ALL, EVERYTHING ELSE REMAINS AS IT IS.
IT'S ONLY SWITCHING THOSE TWO UH, UH, ENTRANCES INTO VESTIBULE ENTRANCES NOW, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS IN THAT CASE? IT STANDS FOR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? UH, HEARING? NONE.
YOU HAVE AN A UNANIMOUS APPROVAL.
UM, AND UH, SOME LITTLE WORK TO DO ON, ON THAT MATERIAL ISSUE.
CONCRETE'S NICE AND TRUE
AND UH, THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK WITH THIS.
UM, AND BY THE WAY, SOMETIMES THEY PARK CARS IN BETWEEN THOSE BIG COLUMNS IN FRONT.
I WENT THERE ONCE IN THE VALET SQUEEZED A LITTLE HONDA IN BETWEEN THE
SO THAT'S REALLY GOTTA DETRACT FROM THE APPEARANCE.
YOU SHOULD TALK TO 'EM ABOUT THAT
OKAY, WELL THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND UH, YOU GUYS HAVE GIVEN US REALLY GREAT FEEDBACK AND THESE ARE REALLY GREAT CONDITIONS TO WORK WITH.
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ARE UP TO D TWO NOW.RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 35 21 LAMAN STREET.
IT'S IN THE QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER PRE-DESIGN MORATORIUM.
THE CASE NUMBER IS COA 26 DASH NINE.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A PRE-DESIGN CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A PRE-DESIGN CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
A REAR WAIT, THIS ONE DID NOT HAVE A REAR DETACHED GARAGE.
OKAY, BUT THIS ONE DOES NOT HAVE A REAR DETACHED GARAGE, BUT THAT IT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS.
DATED, I DON'T KNOW THAT'S WRONG TOO.
OKAY, WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, ONE THAT A FREEZE OF FACIA BOARD BE ADDED TO ALL ELEVATIONS INCLUDING ABOVE THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS.
THAT MINIMUM THE MINIMUM HEIGHT OF THE FREEZE BOARD BE EIGHT INCHES, PREFERABLY C TWO.
THAT WINDOWS BE ALUMINUM FRAMED WITH LIGHT CONFIGURATION OF ONE OVER ONE NO GRILLS AND NO CLADDING.
THREE, THAT RIBBON DRIVEWAYS HAVE A THREE FOOT OR THREE FEET SETBACK TO THE FRONT PORCH FOR LANDSCAPING AND BE A BRUSH FINISHED CONCRETE.
AND THE FOURTH CONDITION IS THAT THE FOUNDATION HEIGHT BE A MINIMUM OF 12 INCHES ABOVE GRADE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBSECTION D FIVE B FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
ONLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS.
MAKE SURE ALL PRIOR REQUESTS MADE BY THE LANDMARK COMMISSION HAVE BEEN SATISFIED.
I SEE ALEJANDRO YEZ IS ONLINE.
I DO NEED YOU TO TURN ON YOUR CAMERA.
IT'S A STATE RULE THAT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE YOU ON CAMERA IF YOU SPEAK AT A PUBLIC MEETING, SO WE KNOW IT'S REALLY YOU.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH, WELCOME.
I NEED YOU TO BEGIN BY GIVING ME YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND TO SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU WILL ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS TRUTHFULLY TODAY.
ALEJANDRO JIMENEZ, 1800 NORTHFIELD STREET AND I WILL TELL THE TRUTH.
SO YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US A BIT MORE ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.
UH, HOW DO I HAVE TO SHARE MY SCREEN, RIGHT? UH, YES.
UH, THE STAFF CAN MAKE SURE THAT WORKS.
YEAH, HE WANTS TO SHARE HIS SCREEN.
YEAH, HE'S ALREADY A PRESENTED.
UM, SO WE HAVE UPDATED EVERYTHING THAT WAS, UH, REQUESTED, UM, IN THE LAST MEETING.
UM, AND SO RIGHT HERE, THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY WITH THREE FEET, UH, IN BETWEEN THE ACTUAL DRIVEWAY AND THE HOUSE ITSELF, WE INCLUDED ALL THE SIZES, ALL THE SIZES OF THE HOUSES AS WELL ON THE, ON THE SIDES.
'CAUSE UH, Y'ALL ARE WONDERING WHAT THE SETBACKS WERE FOR THE OTHER HOUSES.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE KIND OF PRETTY, PRETTY SIMILAR ON THAT.
UM, THE FRONT HAS ALL THE, ALL THE RAPTORS AND ALL THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS THAT Y'ALL REQUESTED.
THIS THING RIGHT HERE TOO, UH, IT GOT ADDED IN.
UM, AND HERE'S PICTURES OF THE OTHER HOUSES SIMILAR TO, UH, WHERE WE'RE AT.
THIS IS KIND OF THE STREET VIEW AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS IT.
AND THEN HERE ARE PICTURES OF THE BACK AND THE SIDES.
SO ALL THE REQUESTS THAT Y'ALL, UH, Y'ALL GAVE US, UH, LAST MONTH I BELIEVE, OR TWO MONTHS AGO, WE, UH, WE HAD ALL THAT UPDATED.
UM, NOW WE MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
I HAVE ONE, IT APPEARS IN THESE RENDERINGS THAT YOUR COLUMNS ARE A DIFFERENT COLOR THAN THE TWO PAINT COLUMNS SUBMITTED.
IS THAT JUST THE RENDERING OR WHAT COLOR ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO BE? OR,
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UM, DID Y'ALL REQUEST A SPECIFIC COLOR? WELL, YOU, YOU SUBMITTED ONLY TWO PAINT COLORS AND THE NEITHER OF THEM ARE THE BROWN THAT YOUR RENDERING SHOWS YOUR COLUMNS TO BE.SO WHAT COLOR ARE THE COLUMNS GONNA BE? THEY'RE GONNA BE A, A NATURAL WOODEN COLOR.
THEY'RE GONNA BE WHAT? UH, IT IS GONNA BE THE SAME COLOR THAT, THAT, UH, WE HAD SUBMITTED.
THERE WAS JUST, UH, AN ISSUE WITH THE RENDERING BECAUSE THE, OKAY.
WE ENDED UP CHANGING THE COLOR OF THE GREEN ONE RIGHT HERE.
IT USED TO BE LIKE A YELLOW-ISH, BUT, UH, WE, WE DIDN'T REALLY LIKE IT.
SO IT'LL BE ONE OF THE TWO COLORS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT WASN'T A, A COLOR.
COMMISSIONER RENO? UM, THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION DURING THE, UM, THE BRIEFING ON THE HEIGHT OF THE FOUNDATION AND HOW, UM, BASICALLY WHERE THE, THE FINISHES CHANGE IN TO CONCRETE BEFORE YOU GET TO GRADE.
UM, WHAT IS THAT DIMENSION NOW? OR, UH, WHAT'S THAT DIMENSION BEING PROPOSED? I WAS TOLD 12 INCHES ABOVE, UH, ABOVE, UH, THE GROUND.
UM, ONE OTHER SUGGESTION I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS ON THE, UM, YOU'RE SHOWING THE GUARDRAILS TO BE 42 INCHES OFF THE FINISHED FLOOR OF THE PORCH, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, LET ME DOUBLE CHECK.
I THINK IT WAS THREE FEET, SIX INCHES? YEAH.
USUALLY ON PORCHES LIKE THIS, I KNOW THAT'S THE LATEST CODE.
HOWEVER, YOU'RE NOT BEYOND 30 INCHES ABOVE GRADE.
SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY NOT REQUIRED AT ALL.
BUT THEY ARE A CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENT IF YOU WANTED TO INCLUDE THEM.
SO I I I'M NOT GONNA, UM, PROPOSE THAT YOU REMOVE THEM, HOWEVER, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU DROP THEM TO 30 INCHES INSTEAD OF 42.
IF, IF YOU'RE AMENABLE TO THAT.
AND THEN THE LAST, UH, COMMENT I HAD WAS ON THE CENTER, UM, VENT THAT YOU PLACED IN THE GABLE.
UM, I WOULD ALSO ADD SOME TRIM BOARD AROUND IT, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'VE DONE ON THE WINDOWS LOOKS, UM, LIKE IT'S KIND OF LACKING SOME DETAIL.
WELL WE HAVE THAT, BUT WE, IF YOU'D LIKE, WE CAN, UH, MAKE IT THICKER SO IT'S MATCHED THESE WINDOWS RIGHT HERE.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR AS IF WE'RE DONE WITH QUESTIONS, THAT WOULD BE TIME FOR A MOTION.
I'D LIKE TO COMMISSIONER SMITH? YEP.
UM, IN THE CASE OF COA DASH TWO SIX DASH 0 0 0 0 9 ADDRESS 35 21 LADDER.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE, UH, THIS CASE BASED ON, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDED.
WAS THAT COMMISSIONER OSA WHO SECONDED? YES.
I WAS JUST TO ASK, DID YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THE, THAT THEY, UM, HAVE THE OPTIONS TO ADJUST THE HEIGHT OF THEIR PORCH RAIL SINCE THEY MAY WISH TO, NOW THAT THEY MOVE ON PAGE, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT INTO MY MOTION.
IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH YOU COMMISSIONER HENA? SO WE'RE LEAVING THEM FLEXIBILITY TO ADJUST THE HEIGHT OF THE YES.
AS WELL AS, AS WELL AS, UH, WHAT HE MENTIONED, A LITTLE THICKER, UH, GRID AROUND THE VENT.
YEAH, YOU, YOU COULD RESTATE IT TO INCLUDE ALL THAT.
NOW IT GIVES YOU LOTS OF PRACTICE.
SO, UH, RESTATE THIS QUICK MOTION REAL QUICK.
UH, IN THE CASE OF COA DASH 26 DASH 0 0 0 9 ADDRESS, 35 21 LATIMER STREET.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THIS, UH, REQUEST, UH, BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE ADDITION OF THE, UM, ADJUSTMENT TO THE THICKNESS AROUND, WHAT IS THE NAME OF THAT? THE VENT? THE VENT, THE, YEAH, THE GABLE.
THE TRIP TRIM ON THE GABLE VENT.
AND UM, THE HEIGHT OF THE RAILING ON THE PORCH SHOULD BE 30 INCHES.
SEE HOW EASY THAT WAS? YOU JUST, IT JUST TAKES TWO OR THREE TRIES SOMETIMES FOR SOME OF US I'VE DONE THAT SEVERAL TIMES, ABSOLUTELY.
AND OUR, OUR SECOND DEGREES WITH ALL THAT?
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YES.ANY FURTHER COMMENT? ALRIGHT, THEN I'M READY TO HAVE A VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS, PLEASE SAY YES.
IT APPEARS THAT THIS IS CO UM, PASSED UNANIMOUSLY, SIR.
SO YOU MAY BEGIN TO MOVE TO GET READY TO BUILD YOUR HOUSE AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, STAFF WILL HELP YOU, UM, UNDERSTAND THE CONDITIONS THAT WILL PUT PLACE UPON IT AND GOOD AND GOOD LUCK.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD TO BREAK GROUND NOW OR NO? CERTIFIC, YOU HAVE TO RECEIVE YOUR CA AND A BUILDING PERMIT,
DON'T BREAK ANYTHING TILL YOU HAVE THOSE.
OKAY, WE HAVE NEXT UP IN LINE D THREE.
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND IF WE HAVE ENOUGH SPEAKERS FOR D THREE.
OKAY, WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER FOR D THREE.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING DISCUSSION ITEM D THREE ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 29 37 WARREN AVENUE IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 26 DASH 26.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE, WITH FINDINGS OF FACT THAT THE MASSING OF THE PROPOSED MAIN BUILDING IS INAPPROPRIATELY SCALED FOR ITS SURROUNDING CONTEXT.
IN OTHER WORDS, MASKING IS TOO HIGH, IT'S AN ISSUE OF ALITY AND IS NOT TYPICAL OF THE DISTRICT.
THE PROPOSED WORK, THEREFORE WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE DISTRICT AND DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBSECTION D FIVE B ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND OR THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
ONLY NON-SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS.
ARCHITECTURAL STYLE IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR DISTRICT AND ELEVATIONS DO NOT MATCH ROOF FRAME.
NOW WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS AND I DON'T KNOW WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST.
WE HAVE PASCAL MOJICA AND LARRY O. JOHNSON SENIOR.
AS YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOUR ARE PROMISED TO TELL THE TRUTH.
UH, PASQUA MOJICA 24 0 4 WOODLAWN DRIVE AND IT'S TEXAS 7 5 1 1 9.
AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
OKAY SIR, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO GIVE US FURTHER COMMENT ON YOUR POST PROJECT.
SO WE'VE KIND OF GONE BACK AND FORTH, UM, WITH THIS PROJECT WITH, UH, DR.
UH, WE'VE COMMON FRONT OF, UH, HERE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, TWICE I BELIEVE.
UM, THE LAST UPDATE WAS A HIP STYLE ROOF, UH, FACING THE FRONT TO HIDE THE SECOND FLOOR WITHIN THE ATTIC.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE COMMON IS ABOUT THE ROOF MAP MATCHING ELEVATION.
UM, THE ELEVATION THERE, UH, WHAT YOU SEE ON THE TOP LEFT AND RIGHT, UH, THOSE ARE ACTUAL DORMERS, UM, THAT'S SHOWN ON THE ROOF PLAN.
UM, SO IT MIGHT NOT LOOK, UM, MIGHT LOOK A LITTLE CONFUSING TO YOU GUYS.
BUT, UM, WHEN YOU TURN IT ON THE ROOF, UM, YOU TURN THE ELEVATION ON THE SIDE, THOSE ARE THE DORMERS.
THOSE DORMERS ARE FOR EGRESS FOR THOSE BEDROOMS THAT ARE HIDDEN IN ATTIC SPACE.
UM, THAT TIP STYLE ROOF, UH, WITH THE SHINGLES SHOWING DOWN THE SIDE AND ON THE FRONT WERE ADDED BASED OFF OF THE LAST STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
UM, THE HEIGHTS STILL UNDER THE 19 FOOT HEIGHT, UM, THAT WAS BROUGHT TO US, UH, FROM THE ACTUAL STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
AND THEN, UM, THE STYLE OF THE HOUSE, IT'S A 25 FOOT, UH, WIDE LOT, UH, 15 FOOT WIDE HOUSE.
UH, WE'VE GONE OVER THIS A COUPLE TIMES.
UM, IT WAS RECOMMENDED TO US THAT THERE WERE SOME SIMILAR PROPERTIES UP THE ROAD, UH, NOT FACING FORWARD, FRONT TO BACK, BUT FACING SIDEWAYS, BUT ACTUALLY THE SAME WIDTH AS WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING HERE.
UM, WE ALSO DISCUSSED THE LAST TIME HEARING WAS MEETING WITH COUNSEL ABOUT THE LOTS BEING, UM, THEY WERE SUBDIVIDED.
I KNOW SHOTGUN STYLE IS NOT ALLOWED.
AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE CAME BACK, UH, PROPOSED THE HIP STYLE ROOF, UM, FROM THE FRONT AND THE SIDES.
WE ADJUSTED THE BEDROOMS ON THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, TO HAVE THE WINDOWS IN THE REAR OF THE HOME, UH, BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO AGAIN, WE, WE'VE KIND OF GONE, UM, THROUGH THIS PLAN QUITE A BIT.
WE PROPOSED PLENTY OF, UH, DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
UH, THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE CAME TO CONCLUSION WITH ON THE LAST, UM, PROPOSAL.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS? WE ARE HERE.
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ALRIGHT.ARE YOU FINISHED, SIR? YES, MA'AM.
IS MR. JOHNSON ALSO ALLOWED TO YES, UH, MR. JOHNSON IS OUR DESIGNER.
UH, HE'S ALSO, UM, BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS PROJECT.
OKAY, SIR, I NEED YOU ALSO TO STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
I LIVE IN 1927 HUNTINGTON IN DALLAS, 7 5 2 0 3.
AND AND YOU PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH, RIGHT? I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
I JUST NEED TO REMIND YOU TWO.
SO WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ABOUT THIS PROJECT? WELL, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I'M, I'M CONFUSED AS TO WHAT WAS THE ISSUES WITH THE ROOF BECAUSE THE DESIGN OF IT IS BASED ON WHAT WE WANTED IN THE BEGINNING AND WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE.
EVERYTHING WAS CHANGED TO MATCH THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE DORMERS ON THE SIDE SEEM TO BE AN ISSUE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIDE OF ELEVATION, THOSE DORMS HAS TO BE THERE FOR EGRANTS.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ESCAPE ROOM OUT OF THOSE BEDROOM.
WITHOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WON'T BE APPROVED.
UH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME OTHER CONCERNS THAT WE NEED TO, TO TALK ABOUT TOO.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO, UM, NOTE BEFORE WE START ASKING A QUESTIONS? AND IS THE GENTLEMAN BEHIND YOU ALSO WISHING TO SPEAK? OKAY SIR, IF YOU DIDN'T FILL OUT ONE OF THESE, PLEASE JUST DO SO AFTER YOU TALK.
SO FOR NOW, GIVE ME YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
UH, MY ADDRESS IS 1813 DALE DRIVE, PLANOS, TEXAS.
AND YES, I WILL TELL THE TRUTH.
OKAY, SIR, WHAT DID YOU WANT TO SHARE WITH US? WELL, UH, WE HAD MEETING WITH YOU GUYS, UH, UH, SPECIFICALLY DR.
DON AND I WAS ASKING SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T CHANGE OUR, UH, UH, ARCHITECTURE STYLE UP PLENTY OF TIMES.
AND WE'RE ASKING SPECIFICALLY, UH, IN DETAILS.
UH, OF COURSE Y'ALL TELL US WHY Y'ALL KEEP DENYING US.
SO WE WANT SPECIFIC DETAILS ON WHAT WE NEED TO DO PARTICULAR TO MAKE SURE THIS GOES THROUGH FINE.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP PAYING MR. LARRY EVERY TIME WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE, THE, THE ARCHITECTURE STYLE.
UH, 'CAUSE WE WENT ONE TIME WE HAD IT AS A DUPLEX.
THEY SAID NO, THEN WE CAME BACK WITH THIS STYLE AND IT'S SOMETHING ELSE DIFFERENT WHO SAID NO TO A DUPLEX 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE SUGGESTED.
DID THE COUNCIL RECOMMENDED OR COUNCIL, WHAT DISCUSS? WE DISCUSSED WITH, UH, COUNCIL HERE.
UM, SAID WE, UH, PART DUPLEX, BUT WE WENT BACK TO
SO WE, WE SAID WE WANTED DUPLEX AND YOU WENT TO BUILDING INSPECTION OR INSPECTION, UH,
ALRIGHT, WELL WE WILL ENDEAVOR TO CLARIFY WHAT WE MEANT.
AND, AND ONE LARGER THING TO CONSIDER IS, I KNOW YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT ROOF SHAPE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING STYLES.
IT'S ACTUALLY THE SHAPE OF THE HOUSES THAT HAS BEEN THE MOST CONTENTIOUS FOR US.
SO LET ME ASK YOU, DID YOU GO TO THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION AND HAVE THIS REPLANTED AS 2 25 FOOT LONG WIDE? YES.
IS THAT TWO FIVE? CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR REAL QUICK? WE WANNA KNOW IF YOU OFFICIALLY WENT TO CPC AND GOT THIS THING RELA RELA.
WHEN, WHEN DID YOU GUYS GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS? WHAT DATE IT WAS? OKAY.
AND WELL THAT HAS, THAT HAS LEFT YOU IN SORT OF AN UNFORTUNATE POSITION IN THAT NOT MUCH OF A WIDE HOUSE WILL FIT ON THOSE TINY ONES.
SO I TAKE IT YOU'RE GOING FOR A SHOTGUN HOUSE.
LOOK, UH, I MEAN, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GO 54 WIDE, TECHNICALLY IT'S CONSIDERED SHOTGUN STYLE.
UM, AND, UH, JUST BECAUSE OF THE LENGTH OF THE LOCK OF THE HOUSE.
BUT, UH, WE'VE, UH, LOOKED AT NUMEROUS PROPERTIES.
SO FACING THE STREET WE HAVE MAYBE 50 FOOT LONG, BUT IN TURN THE SIDEWAYS THEY 55.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH A SHOTGUN.
AND I'M SURE SOME OF OUR ARCHITECTS HAVE SOME, HOPEFULLY SOME SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT WE CAN DO.
BUT I NEED TO TELL YOU THAT SHOTGUN HOUSES TRADITIONALLY HERE IN DALLAS, AS THEY WERE BUILT HERE, NOT IN LIKE NEW ORLEANS WHERE THEY HAVE SOME REALLY FABULOUS SHOTGUN HOUSES.
AND SOMETIMES THEY WERE ONLY LIKE THREE OR FOUR ROOMS DEEP.
AND THAT'S WHAT IF WE ALLOWED A SHOTGUN WI HOUSE, IF WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I DON'T THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD LIKES IT MUCH, BUT IT'S REAL HARD TO MAKE THAT LITTLE CAMEL BACK, WHICH
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IS WHAT THAT SECOND STORY AT THE BACK IS LOOK LIKE, ANYTHING FOUND IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.AND OUR ONLY INTEREST IS NOT TO MAKE A HOUSE WE LIKE OR DON'T LIKE.
IT'S THAT IT FITS IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND DOES NOT DETRACT WITH THE OVERALL APPEARANCE AS IT WAS HISTORICALLY FOUND IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEADING FOR.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ROOF SHAPES OR STYLES OR HOW BIG THE HOUSE HAS TO BE, IT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS DOES IT FIT WITH THE ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD? SO COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER? NO.
UM, SO DURING THE BREAK, UH, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT SPLIT LOTS FIRST OF ALL, EXISTED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I DID FIND A NUMBER OF THEM AS A MATTER OF FACT.
UM, WHERE LIKE IN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK THERE WOULD'VE BEEN A, A, A REGULAR HOUSE LOT THAT WAS CUT IN HALF.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IF ONE OF THE COMM UH, ONE OF THE STAFF MEMBERS, MAYBE DR. DUNN, UM, I DID FIND AN ADDRESS, UH, 27 0 4 DAY STREET HAS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OR WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT ANYWAY, UM, WHERE IT IS A A, A ONE STORY, UH, UM, APPEARANCE AT THE STREET.
AND THEN THERE IS IN FACT THE, UH, UH, THE CAMELBACK, YOU KNOW, A SECOND STORY, BUT IT'S TOWARD THE REAR.
SO FOR THE MOST PART, AS YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET, IT LOOKS LIKE A, A A ONE ONE STORY HOUSE.
I THINK THE DORMERS, UH, MAKE THE HOUSE TO FIX IT.
I IT'S A LOT LARGER THAN WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
UH, AND THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE, THE HEIGHT OF THE HOUSE HAD OTHER ONE STORY HOMES AND THE STORAGE KITCHEN BEEN APPROVED AND
I THINK, BUT IF THAT ATTORNEY LOOK AT IT FROM THE SIDE, IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE SURE.
NO, I, YEAH, I, I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND YOU KNOW, AND HONESTLY TO HELP SELL YOUR IDEAS, I I WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND DOING A 3D YOU KNOW, UH, RENDERING OF IT TOO.
UM, I KNOW THAT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT EXTRA TO ASK, BUT PARTICULARLY WHEN WE'RE TRYING, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO SOLVE
UM, WHERE WAS THE ADDRESS ABLE TO POP UP? MAYBE I'M, IT DIDN'T COME UP.
MAYBE IT'S THE ONE RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT ON GOOGLE MAPS MAP.
AND THEN I POPPED UP, UH, STREET VIEW FROM THAT.
I KNOW WE'VE LOOKED AT A NUMBER ON
SORRY, MADAM CHAIRPERSON, THIS IS COMMISSIONER OSA.
WOULD YOU, UH, IF THE GENTLEMEN, UH, ARE THE SPEAKERS, UH, IF THEY SPEAK, WOULD YOU HAVE THEM, UH, GO UP TO THE MICROPHONE? WE CAN, I CAN HEAR THEM, BUT IT'S KIND OF ECHOEY.
SO WE DO HAVE TWO COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE AT HOME.
SO PLEASE MOVE TOWARDS THE MICROPHONE TO SPEAK.
OTHERWISE THEY ARE APPARENTLY, UM, UNCOMFORTABLE.
IT'S SO, COMMISSIONER, IT MIGHT BE 27 0 7.
THE, THE WHOLE POINT OF IT IS THAT, UM, AND I THINK SOMEBODY MIGHT HAVE SUGGESTED THIS IN THE, UM, IN THE BRIEFING AS WELL, THAT THERE ARE IN FACT CAMELBACKS, UM, AND THERE ARE IN FACT SPLIT LOTS LIKE THESE.
SO WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY, WE'RE NOT SETTING A PRECEDENT WITH THIS.
UM, IF WE WERE TO SUGGEST IT AS A, AS AN ALTERNATIVE, UM, I'M WONDERING, OH, ROTATE 180 DEGREES.
THAT, THAT MIGHT BE WHY ONE WITH THE RED CAR PARKED IN FRONT OF IT, THAT ONE, THIS ONE, THAT ONE DEAD CENTER.
SEE IT'S A LITTLE GABLE WITH A MINOR GABLE OR A MAJOR GABLE WITH THE MINOR GABLE.
NOW SLIDE TO THE RIGHT A LITTLE BIT AND YOU'LL SEE THE, THE CAMELBACK AND THE FACT THE ONE NEXT DOOR HAS THE CAMELBACK TOO.
YOU SEE THE SECOND STORY WAY BACK THERE? YEAH.
BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE STREET.
UM, THAT ONE DEFINITELY HAS ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE SECOND FLOOR IN THE BACK.
I DUNNO IF YOU CAN ZOOM INTO THAT AT ALL.
MAY, MAY I SPEAK? OH, OF COURSE.
WHAT, WHAT YOU JUST SHOWED THAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN THAT I DID, AND THE PERSON SAID THEY DIDN'T LIKE THAT BECAUSE THEY WANTED THE SECOND STORY KID.
SO AND SO THEN WE WENT BACK TO THE BOARD TO TRY TO REDESIGN SOMETHING.
BUT I HAD THE CAMEL BACK IN THE ORIGINAL.
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I'M, I'M SORRY.IT THE, WHAT I'M WITH THE INVESTIGATION THAT WE JUST DID.
I MEAN, IN OTHER WORDS, SO WE'RE, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO FIND HERE IS APPROPRIATENESS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND UH, UH, PERHAPS WE DIDN'T LOOK AT THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT FIRST TIME AROUND AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
UM, BUT ALSO CITY, NOT THAT WE SHOWN RIGHT HERE.
SO I'M OUTSIDE OF THE, I I WENT OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDARY.
AND WHAT WE WE'RE DOING THE SURVEY, ONE THING WE'VE NOTICED IN QUEEN CITY IS THAT MOST OF THE ONES THAT HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL REAR SECOND STORY, IT CERTAINLY APPEARS TO BE A LATER ADDITION, NOT TO BE ORIGINAL TO THE STYLES OF THE HOUSE.
UM, THIS ONE I THINK WAS A, IT IT'S ALL BRICK.
WELL, AND WHETHER OR NOT THIS WAS ORIGINAL OR NOT, BUT, UM, ANYWAY, SO I APOLOGIZE.
SO
UM, I'M REALLY TRYING TO HELP YOU OUT AS MUCH AS I CAN.
UM, I MEAN, THAT'S ALWAYS OUR GOAL TO RIGHT.
TO GET, UM, APPROPRIATE AND, AND, UM, HOMES THAT EVERY, YOU KNOW, THAT PEOPLE WANNA PURCHASE.
AND PEOPLE WANT I SPEAK ABSOLUTELY.
UH, IN PARTICULAR OF THE DETAILS, UH, UH, DR.
DON DAVIS'S DETAILS, WE WOULDN'T CHANGE AND WE THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD GET APPROVED AFTER WE DID EVERYTHING THAT Y'ALL TOLD US TO DO.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND LIKE HOW YOU, WHAT'S THE CONFUSION OF, UH, WHO ALL STAYS IN SOUTH DALLAS? ALL Y'ALL STAYING SOUTH DALLAS? DO Y'ALL DRIVE AROUND SOUTH DALLAS? I'M SORRY, I'M ASKING ON THE BOARD WHO ALL STAYS IN SOUTH DALLAS.
I SAID, WHO ALL STAYS IN SOUTH DALLAS? OH.
DO YOU, BESIDES THE THREE, DO Y'ALL DRIVE AROUND SOUTH DALLAS? MANY OF US HAVE PARTICIPATED RECENTLY IN A SURVEY OF QUEEN CITY AS PART OF ITS INITIATION AS A NEW HISTORIC DISTRICT.
HOW LONG AGO WAS THAT? TWO MONTHS.
WELL, IT'S A LOT OF SHOTGUN HOUSES OVER THERE DETAILS.
A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION AND A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION.
WAIT, LET'S JUST STICK TO WE PLACE.
WE, IF WE STICK TO THAT RIGHT? WE HAVE, RIGHT.
I'D LIKE TO RAISE A POINT OF ORDER.
I I THINK IT'S TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE FOR, FOR YOU TO BE QUESTIONING THE COMMISSIONERS LIKE THIS.
I'M, I'M NOT, I I I GOTTA, I GOTTA END GAME WHY I'M ASKING.
BUT MY, MY POINT IS, IT'S INAPPROPRIATE TO BE ASKING QUESTIONS OF THE COMMISSIONERS.
WE'RE HERE TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS TO TRY TO HELP YOU COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.
BUT TO, TO QUIZ US WITH THE TYPES OF QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE ASKING ARE INAPPROPRIATE.
YOU SHOULD ASSUME THAT ALL OF US HAVE DONE OUR JOB APPROPRIATELY.
DO ALL Y'ALL FEEL OFFENDED BY MY QUESTION? PARDON ME, SIR? DO Y'ALL FEEL OFFENDED BY MY QUESTION? I'M JUST ASKING DETAILS.
I I CAN UNDERSTAND YOU'RE WANTING TO ASK ABOUT SOME OF OUR QUALIFICATIONS, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE SHARED WITH YOU THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE FROM DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS, ARCHITECTS, DEVELOPERS, ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIANS, PEOPLE WHO KNOW REAL ESTATE, PEOPLE WHO ARE ATTORNEYS AND DEAL WITH REAL ESTATE.
AND YES, WE TRIED TO BE ABREAST OF ALL OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT WE WORK IN.
ONE THING I KNOW ABOUT WHEATLEY PLACE IS THAT SOME OF THE RESIDENTS THERE SOMETIMES ACTUALLY PUT IN THEIR TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE DON'T WANT, WE DO NOT WANT ANY SHOTGUN HOUSES, EVEN WE ALREADY HAD 'EM.
SO WE'VE SEEN THAT OVER THE YEARS.
WHEATLEY PLACE HAS SOME ACTIVE VOICES IN THE REFERENCES.
SO WE'RE STILL JUDGING THIS ONE ON THE GROUNDS.
WILL IT FIT WELL INTO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD MAINTAINING THE GOAL OF OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCES, WHICH IS DO NOT DETRACT FROM THE EXISTING HISTORICAL STREET SCAPE AS PEOPLE ARE DRIVING DOWN.
WE WANT IT ALL TO LOOK AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO WHAT, UM, WILL KEEP PEOPLE'S MEMORY ALIVE OF THE EARLIEST DAYS THERE.
WELL, WE CHANGED EVERYTHING THAT Y'ALL ASKED US TO DO, AND I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE PERIOD HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE REQUESTS THAT HAVE CAUSED YOU A LOT OF TROUBLE.
AND I'M REALLY SORRY ABOUT THAT.
AND THERE IS NO WAY THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO SUCCESSFULLY TRACE HOW THOSE OCCURRED AND WHEN AND BY WHO AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE WE WEREN'T THERE FOR EVERY BIT OF IT.
SO LET'S SEE WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS COMMISSIONERS HAVE NOW, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I THINK WE NEED A CLARIFICATION.
WE NEED TO KIND OF BACK THIS TRUCK BACK UP.
THE ISSUE, I FEEL IS OUR SHOTGUN HOUSE IS APPROPRIATE IN WHEAT LOOP PLACE.
I'VE BEEN IN WHEAT PLACE MANY TIMES THERE.
IT IS NOT REALLY A NEIGHBOR THAT HAS SHOTGUNS.
SO WE NEED TO DECIDE OUR SHOTGUN'S FINE, AND IF THEY ARE FINE, THEN WE CAN PLAN A SHOTGUN THAT WORKS IN WHEAT PLACE.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE KIND OF SPINNING OUR WHEELS.
I THINK WE NEED TO DECIDE IS THIS, WELL, THE LAST TIME WE LOOKED AT THIS, WE SUGGESTED THEY PUT IT A DUPLEX,
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TAKE OUT THE LINE IN THE MIDDLE AND MAKE 'EM LOOK MORE LIKE WHEAT PLACE.SO WE NEED TO, IN MY OPINION, FIND OUT IN WHEATLEY PLACE ARE, ARE THESE, IS THERE SHOTGUN APPROPRIATE? AND IF SO, WE CAN FIND ONE AVAILABLE WORK.
OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST SPINNING OUR WHEELS.
UH, THAT THAT IS ACCURATE TO SOME DEGREE.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, YES, WE DO SEEM TO BE GOING AROUND, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME VERY FRUSTRATED APPLICANTS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SEE MOVEMENT FORWARD.
WHILE WE ARE DOING OUR BEST TO UNDERSTAND ALL OF THEIR CONCERNS, I, I WOULD SAY THAT IF THEY COULD DO A DUPLEX, WE THOUGHT THAT WAS THE BEST ANSWER.
BUILDING INSPECTION, AS APPARENTLY SAID, YOU CANNOT DO A DUPLEX BECAUSE YOU HAVE LEGALLY AND FORMALLY REPLANTED THIS INTO TWO SEPARATE PLATS WITH SEPARATE ADDRESSES.
AND A BUILDING CAN'T CROSS THE LINE BETWEEN THEM.
A BUILDING CAN'T CROSS THE LINE BETWEEN, BUT THEY ALSO, UM, PER THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, THEY WOULDN'T, UH, GO BACK TO A DUPLEX.
SO AT ONE POINT IN TIME THERE WERE A DUPLEX, UH, ZONING THERE.
UM, BUT SPEAKING WITH THE, THE BUILDING PLAN EXAMINERS, UH, THEY WOULD NOT GO BACK TO A DUPLEX.
SO WHY, WHEN, WHEN WAS, WHEN WAS THE PROPERTY RELA? THIS WAS, I'M NOT SURE AGAIN, I'M GONNA GET YOU BACK THE DATE THAT IT WAS REPLANTED.
UM, I CANNOT FIND IT IN THE SYSTEM ANYWHERE.
BUT THE PLAN EXAMINERS, UH, SPEAKING WITH THE PLAN, SHE, UH, WORKS FOR THE R-F-P-P-P UH, MANAGEMENT, UH, WHICH IS THE RESIDENTIAL, UM, PLAN REVIEW, EXPEDITED PLAN REVIEW, UM, FOR THE PLAN.
UH, EXAMINERS THERE IN CITY OF DALLAS, AND THAT'S WHO WE SPOKE WITH AND SAID THAT THEY COULDN'T RECOMMEND A DUPLEX GO BACK ON THE LOT.
AND THAT WAS BECAUSE IT HAD BEEN DIVIDED AND THE DUPLEX WOULD SIT ON THE DIVIDING LINE.
THAT AND ALSO THE PER THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, THEY WOULDN'T ALLOW THAT DUPLEX TO GO BACK.
WELL, WE, WE ALSO, OUR, OUR ORDINANCES, OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCES ARE ALSO, UM, RELEVANT AND DO TEND TO TRUMP SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, OKAY.
SO WHAT WE REALLY, REALLY NEED TO KNOW IS WHEN DID CPC OFFICIALLY DIVIDE THIS? BECAUSE THAT SETS US UP FOR GOING WITH SHOTGUN HOUSES.
BUT WE MUST HAVE SOME INFORMATION.
WE WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT, WE TRIED TO OVER LUNCH, BUT WE HAVE NOT HEARD YET.
I CANNOT FIND A RECORD OF THE RE PLATTING.
WAS IT BE, WAS IT WHILE THAT'S WHAT THE, THE OWNERS ARE GONNA CHECK.
UM, CHECKING WITH THE OWNER RIGHT NOW, ONE, TAKE CARE OF THAT PART.
UH, BUT, UM, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS CAN GO BACK, WE DON'T EVEN DEAL WITH THAT NECESSARILY.
BUT IT WOULD HELP, IT WOULD HELP DUPLEX MM-HMM
SO IF, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT, LIKE YOU SAID WOULD DROP THE CITY OF DALLAS PLAN, UH, EXAMINERS WE'RE ALL FOR GOING BACK TO DUPLEX, EVERY POINT IN THE CITY IS COVERED BY MULTIPLE ZONING RULES WHERE A HISTORIC PRESERVATION OVERLAY, IT'S CALLED THAT REASON FOR A REASON.
IT'S LIKE AN OVERLAY OVER THE, OVER THE EXISTING ONES.
YOU STILL HAVE TO MEET OTHERS LIKE, YOU KNOW, FIRE SAFETY AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND YOU CAN'T BUILD A, A, A SKYSCRAPER, EVEN IF I SAID YOU COULD, BUT STILL OURS, OURS TRUMP SOME OF THAT.
AND IF, IF, IF WE FIND THAT, IF IT'S SOMETHING, IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER WE DO HAVE THE LEGAL IMPEDIMENT TO A DUPLEX OR NOT.
I MEAN, IF, IF A DUPLEX WERE OKAY, WOULD YOU BE ALL RIGHT WITH THAT? IT IS SALEABLE AS TWO HOUSES AND IT'D BE SELLABLE EASIER TO YOU.
UM, AND LOOK BETTER LADIES AND GENTLEMEN SITTING HERE.
UM, AGAIN, TO DIVIDE A PROPERTY INTO THE WAY IT WAS DIVIDED, UM, IS MORE TYPICAL THAN TRYING TO PUT IT BACK TOGETHER, UM, TO MATCH EVERYTHING INSTEAD, UM, JUST DEALING WITH TONS OF RELAS.
WE, I HANDLE OVER A THOUSAND PERMITS A YEAR JUST HERE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UM, SO WELL AWARE OF ALL THE OVERLAYS DISTRICTS.
UM, AGAIN, UH, COME HERE QUITE A FEW TIMES, UH, A COUPLE TIMES A MONTH.
BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE TO GO BACK TO DUPLEX, DEFINITELY IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYWHERE WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY JUST BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE LOT.
UH, EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THESE, AGAIN MATCH SOME OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN THE AREA, LIKE DR.
DON'S SHOWING YOU ONE HERE KIND OF PROPOSED SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS.
YEAH, OF COURSE OUR, OUR ROOF IS A TAD BIT BIGGER, UM, BUT WE'RE STILL UNDER THAT 19 FOOT HEIGHT THAT, UM, IS KIND OF REQUIRED IN THAT, UM, WHEAT PLACE DISTRICT.
UM, BUT WE'RE JUST HERE TO KIND OF GET STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UM, TO MOVE FORWARD, WHETHER IT'S THE
AND WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO, UM, AND DUPLEXES ARE VERY COMMON MIXED IN WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING.
COMMISSIONER REE, YOU'VE BEEN WAITING PATIENTLY, WHICH YOU DON'T ALWAYS DO, BUT YOU WERE DOING IT THIS TIME, SO WELL IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU DON'T HAVE SISTER HOUSES LIKE YOU HAVE IN ST.
THOMAS AND THE TWO HOUSES ARE ALMOST IDENTICAL.
BUT YES, DUPLEXES AS AN ALTERNATIVE FORM AND SOMEWHAT MORE AFFORDABLE FORM OF HOUSING WITHIN A SINGLE FAMILY AREA WAS COMMON IN THE YEAR WHEN THIS WAS BUILT.
AND SOMETIMES ONE PERSON OWNED THE WHOLE THING AND LIVED IN ONE RENT OUT THE OTHER AND THAT PAID THEIR MORTGAGE.
SO ARE WE HAVING ANY LUCK? ANYBODY WHO'S LOOKING IN FINDING THE LEGAL STATUS OF THESE
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BLOCKS? TREVOR IS OUT THERE TRYING TO KEEP THE BUSHES UNTIL WE GET INFORMATION.AND SURELY CITY STAFF COULD EVENTUALLY FIND OUT.
AND THERE'S TREVOR NOW LISTENING TO MUSIC.
UM, STAFF IS TRYING TO, TO FIND PLAN COMMISSION RECORDS ABOUT WHETHER THE CHANGE WE'RE TRYING TO FIND.
WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A ZONING PLANNER, BUT FROM WHAT WE CAN TELL IN OUR, FROM WHAT WE KNOW IN OUR SYSTEM, IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE SUBDIVIDED.
SO WHILE WE WAIT FOR CONFIRMATION, MIGHT WE, UM, TABLE THIS ONE? I KNOW WE'RE KEEPING YOU, BUT WE COULD TALK ABOUT OUR TWO DESIGNATIONS FOR A MINUTE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE WAITING TO SPEAK ABOUT OUR DESIGNATIONS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE DO A MOTION FOR THAT.
AND THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER ROSKI.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY YES.
SO THAT WAY WE WILL DO D FIVE FOR A MINUTE.
IF YOU WANTED TO SIT DOWN, SIR, AND WE'LL, LET ME LEMME DO THAT.
BUT NO, THAT'S A OH, D FOUR IS NEXT.
SO WHILE WE'RE WAITING, WE'RE GONNA DO A REARRANGING OF THE AGENDA, UH, TO HEAR, UH, D SIX AND THEN CR FOUR D FIVE.
AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO D THREE AND D FOUR.
COMMISSIONER HARPER IS OUR SECOND.
ALL, ALL THOSE IN PAPER PLEASE SAY US.
ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, THEN WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
AND THAT IS THE INITIATION OF THE LUSTER HOUSE ON AMHERST AVENUE.
DISCUSSION ITEM D 6 5 0 0 6 WEST AMHERST AVENUE.
THIS IS RAA PER PER PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER INITIATION OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR 5 0 0 6 WEST AMHERST AVENUE, ALSO KNOWN AS THE LU HOUSE COMMISSIONER.
PRESI, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? YOU SO EXCITED? I DO.
UH, SO THIS HOUSE, UH, IS IN MY DISTRICT, UH, AND IT'S A REALLY SPECIAL AND IMPORTANT HOUSE, UH, FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UH, REALLY AND FOR THE COUNTRY TOO.
THERE AREN'T VERY MANY OF THESE VERY UNIQUE LUTRON HOUSES NAMED FOR THE COMPANY THAT BUILT THEM.
WE ONLY HAVE THREE IN TEXAS AND WE HAVE ONE IN DALLAS.
UH, THE HOUSE IS CONSTRUCTED OF ALL STEEL, INCLUDING ALL THE WALL PANELS, THE FRAMING, THE ROOF, UH, AS WELL THIS HOUSE IS, UH, VERY MUCH INTACT INSIDE.
IT HAS HAD VERY MINIMAL CHANGES ON THE EXTERIOR AS WELL AS THE INTERIOR.
UH, I DID RECENTLY SUFFER FIRE DAMAGE LAST YEAR.
UH, AND THERE IS A CONTRACTOR THAT IS WORKING TO REPAIR THAT AND TO RESTORE THE HOUSE, UH, AS CLOSELY BACK, UH, TO THE ORIGINAL, UH, THE OWNERS OF THE HOUSE ARE, UH, ON BOARD WITH MOVING THROUGH THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION PROCESS.
UM, SO I WOULD ASK THAT THE, UH, COMMISSION SUPPORT, UH, THE LANDMARK, THE INITIATION OF THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR THIS, UH, WONDERFUL HOUSE.
SECOND, THERE'S NOTHING TO SECOND YET.
WELL, I MAKE A MOTION THEN WE
WELL THEN MAKE YOUR MOTION UNLESS THEY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
SO LET ME RESTATE THAT MOTION THEN.
SO I MOVE THAT, UH, WE INITIATE THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR 5,006 WEST AMHERST AVENUE.
I BELIEVE OUR FIRST SECOND WAS, UH, FROM COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING.
I REMEMBER THIS WHEN I WAS STAFF HERE.
AND SO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS IS PERSONALIZED ENAMEL.
SO THIS IS BASICALLY A PORTION ON, ON STEEL, WHICH IS REALLY QUITE AMAZING.
SO IT IS A VERY UNUSUAL WAREHOUSE.
SO I'M GLAD WE'RE FINALLY DOING IT.
WELL, LET'S HAVE A VOTE AND SEE IF WE'RE DOING IT.
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A COMMENT, A QUESTION OR JUST NO, MA'AM.ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
IT IS NOW INITIATED AS A CITY OF DALLAS LANDMARK A IT IS INITIATED AS A CITY OF DALLAS LANDMARK.
IT IS NOT FINALLY DESIGNATED, BUT IT BEGINS THE TWO YEAR MORATORIUM.
WE HAVE A UNDERSTANDING, WE HAVE A, UM, SPEAKER FOR CR FOUR.
I BELIEVE ADRIAN SAID THAT WE HAVE IS HE ONLINE NOW? HE'S, YES.
WHERE IS ADRIAN? SHE'S IN THE CLOUD.
I WAS JUST CONFUSED TO HEAR HER VOICE AND NOT SEE HER BODY ANYMORE.
ADRIAN, IS MR. MCGEE ONLINE AS WELL? I DON'T SEE HIM.
I THINK I SAW HIM THIS MORNING, BUT I DO NOT, I HAVE NOT SEEN HIM AT ALL THIS AFTERNOON.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF COURTESY REVIEW ITEM FOUR CR FOUR.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT TWO 20 SOUTH CLIFF STREET AND THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 26 DASH 23.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
SINCE THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION IS REQUIRED SO THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT CORNER LOT WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, ARREAR DETACHED, ONE CAR GARAGE BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS THE ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.
ALRIGHT, AND WE DO HAVE OUR SPEAKER ONLINE.
WE DO NEED YOU TO TURN ON YOUR CAMERA.
IT IS A STATE WALL THAT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE YOU WHILE YOU'RE SPEAKING IN A PUBLIC MEETING.
IT'S SHOWING YOU CAMERA WITH A CROSS THROUGH IT.
LET'S SEE WHAT IS THE PROBLEM NOW? I'M SO SORRY.
WELL, I'M NOT SURE WHY ISN'T NOT LETTING Y'ALL SEE ME.
UM, LET ME TRY ONE MORE THING.
I'LL STOP THE VIDEO AND START AGAIN.
DO YOU HAVE A CAMERA COVER ON? POSSIBLY BELIEVE SO, BUT THAT FAR YOU ARE SO SMART.
I NEED YOU TO BEGIN USE THIS A COUPLE HOURS AGO.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHY IT WAS CLOSED.
I NEED YOU TO BEGIN BY GIVING US YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND THEN YOU CAN TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROPOSED PROJECT.
THE ADDRESS OF THE, UH, FOR THE, THIS IS A TWO 20 SOUTH CLIFF.
IT'S FOR A NEW BUILD ON A CORNER LOT.
UM, AND WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR PLAN THAT YOU HAVE SENT IN? UM, I HAVE DONE SOME CHANGES TO THE ELEVATIONS THAT, UH, WERE REQUESTED.
UH, THIS IS A NEW BUILD AGAIN.
UH, WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH A CRAFTSMAN STYLE, UH, BUNGALOW KIND OF STUFF HOME.
UM, IT IS A ONE AND A HALF STORY, UM, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM, FROM THAT UH, ADDRESS, THERE IS A TWO STORY HOME.
AND THE ONE IN THE CORNER IN THE SAME PAGE, FAKE A THE SAME SIDE OF THE STREET IS ANOTHER, UH, HOME WITH A TWO STORY AS WELL.
AND THEY HAD REQUESTED A FEW CHANGES FOR THE ELEVATIONS TO, FOR US TO SHOW, UH, THE DESCRIPTION OF THE MATERIAL WE WOULD BE USING, WHICH IS A 1 0 5 OLD CLAPBOARD.
UH, THEY, THEY ALSO REQUESTED THAT WE SHOW THE HORIZONTAL LAP SIDING ON THE WHOLE, UH, AND THE ELEVATIONS, WHICH WE DID.
UH, WE CHANGED THE DOOR STYLE, THE WINDOW STYLE WAS REQUESTED.
MS.
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UH, YES I CAN.I SAY AGAIN, TOO MUCH GOING ON HERE.
I, YOU SEE SHARE A LITTLE NARROWING UP.
ALL RIGHT, SO I'LL BE SHARING THE SCREEN NOW.
WE OKAY, THERE'S RESERVATIONS AND YOU SEE, OKAY, SO WE NOW SEE THREE.
SO YOU WERE SAYING YOU HAVE MADE CHANGES TO ACCOMMODATE SOME OF OUR SUGGESTIONS.
UH, THEY, THEY REQUESTED THAT WE SHOW THE, UH, THE TYPE OF LAP SIDING, HORIZONTAL LAP SIDING AROUND THE WHOLE HOME WITH THROUGHOUT THE ELEVATIONS, WHICH WE HAVE.
UM, THEY REQUESTED FOR ALL THE WINDOWS TO BE AGAINST THE METRIC AND IDENTICAL.
ONE THING THAT IS WRONG ON HERE, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE BOARD WHERE IT HAS A ONE BY ONE WINDOW, WE ARE GONNA GO ONE BY ONE AS ALL AROUND.
AND UNFORTUNATELY THE ARCHITECT DID NOT HAVE TIME TO CHANGE THIS ON THIS ELEVATIONS TODAY.
BUT THEY ARE GONNA BE ONE BY ONES ALL AROUND.
UH, WE WOULD BE USING LAP SIDING, UH, WITH ARCHITECTURAL, UH, CHS FOR THE ROOF AND IT HAS WILL BE P AND BE, LIKE I SAID, IT'S MORE AS A CRAFTSMAN BUNDLE STYLE COMBINATION OF SOME, BUT IT'S MORE, MORE, WE'RE MORE LIKE A CRAFTSMAN HOME.
ANY, ANYTHING FURTHER? YOU NO MA'AM.
WE TALK ABOUT OR ARE YOU READY FOR QUESTIONS FROM US? I'M READY FOR QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS ON THIS UPDATED DESIGN.
I HAVE A, I REMEMBER THIS IS BACK AND FORTH.
THE DESIGN WE'RE SEEING TODAY, IS THIS WHAT THE TASK FORCE ARE OR IS THIS A REVISED DRAWING? THIS IS A REVISED DRAWING.
'CAUSE IT LOOKS A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT THE TASK FORCE HAS STRUCK.
OKAY, SO YOU'RE GETTING THERE SIR.
UM, I DO APPRECIATE THE REDESIGN.
I THINK THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD HAVE IS THE SIZE OF THAT DORMER TO ACHIEVE THIS CRAFTMAN STYLE THAT'S CLOSER TO SEVERAL STYLES IN 10TH STREET.
NEEDS TO BE REDUCED SIGNIFICANTLY.
UM, TO WHERE THAT WINDOW ISN'T A FULL SIZE WINDOW BUT IS MORE SO I WOULD SAY 12 BY 12 OR A, UM, ONE BY TWO SIZE WINDOW.
IT'S NOT A FULL SIZE WINDOW, BUT IT'S MORE OF A, UM, DAYLIGHT WINDOW.
AND YOU CAN SEE A PERFECT EXAMPLE ON 1104 EAST 10TH STREET, UM, OR 1105 EAST 10TH STREET, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DORMER SOUTH MID SIZE.
THE ONLY REASON WHY THAT IS SO BIG IS BECAUSE WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO GET USE, UH, UH, MORE USE OF THAT BEDROOM UP THERE IN THAT LITTLE AREA RIGHT THERE WHERE THAT DORMER IS.
IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE OFFICE AREA AND THAT'S WHY IT'S, IT'S, IT IS THAT SIZE UN UNDERSTOOD.
MOST LIKELY THAT LITTLE POP OUT THAT YOU HAVE FOR THAT OFFICE IS, IS CHANGING THE FORM OF THAT ROUTE WHERE IT WON'T BE APPLICABLE TO TRY TO GAIN THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE, UM,
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WITH THE REDUCING OF THAT DORMER.SO WHAT SIZE DO YOU THINK THAT DORMER SHOULD BE LIKE YOU SAID 12 BY 12.
IT IS THE WINDOWS, I'M SORRY, MOST OF THE DORMERS IN 10 STREET THAT HAVE THOSE WINDOWS, IT IS MORE FOR LIGHT TO COME IN AND IT'S NOT A FULL BLOWN WINDOW LIKE THEY'RE SHOWING.
IT IS MOSTLY A FIXED WINDOW THAT IS USUALLY A 12 BY 12 OR 1 0 2 FOOD SIZE.
AND COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, ARE YOU, WHAT CHANGE ARE YOU RECOMMENDING IN THE OVERALL DORMER SIZE? REDUCING THE DORMER HEIGHT OF THAT CEILING TO BE BELOW THE PITCH OF THE MAIN ROOF AND THEN THAT WINDOW IS TO DECREASE SO THAT THE ENTIRE DORMER SHAPE AND FORM REDUCES UNDERNEATH THE HIGHEST POINT OF THAT MAIN STRUCTURE GROUP.
SIMILAR TO, YOU CAN LOOK AT 1105 EAST 10TH STREET.
GIMME AN EXAMPLE OF EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
ALRIGHT, OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE WINDOWS OF THOSE.
MOLLY, WHAT ARE THE WINDOWS MADE OF, FIRST OF ALL, ARE THEY, THEY'RE GONNA BE WOOD.
PARDON ME? THEY'RE GONNA BE WOOD WIDOWS ARE, THEY'RE CALLED OUT AS CLAD WOOD IN THE OKAY.
AND THIS IS TECHNICAL, BUT ARE THE DIVIDERS INTO THE, THE MULLIN, ARE THEY EXPRESSED ON THE OUTSIDE? ARE THEY BETWEEN THE GLASS? THEY'RE ACTUALLY NOT GONNA BE THERE.
LIKE I MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO, THE A TECH UNFORTUNATELY DID NOT HAVE, DID NOT HAVE TIME TO REMOVE THOSE FOR TODAY, TODAY'S PRESENTATION.
BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE IT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE DIVIDERS.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THEY BE ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS.
THAT'S WHAT I'M MEAN IS TOO COMPLICATED.
THEY WILL BE ONE, ONE OVER ONE AND THE DOOR, IT MAY NOT BE TYPICAL.
IT REALLY IS KIND OF A HERSHEY BAR DOOR, BUT IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT TOO HERSHEY.
IT SHOULD BE THE, I THINK THE, THE PANEL SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, DR. DUNN WILL NEVER LIVE DOWN THE NAME.
SHE GAVE THAT DOOR BY SAYING IT LIKE A HERSHEY BAR.
UM, AND LET'S, LET'S CLARIFY THAT.
WHEN WE SAID THE WINDOWS TO BE WOOD CLAD WOOD, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO US OR NOT MR. ANDERSON? 'CAUSE HE HAS SO FAR SPECIFIED THEY ARE CLAD WOOD.
THAT MEANS THEY HAVE ALUMINUM ON THE OUTSIDE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO IS THAT WHAT WE WANT TO SEE OR WOULD WE RECOMMEND AN ACTUAL WOOD? WELL, LET ME ASK STAFF.
WHAT HAVE WE EVEN DOING IN WHEATLEY PLACE? WELL, THIS IS 10TH STREET.
RECOMMENDING ALL WOOD IF THEY'RE GOING WITH WOOD.
I THINK WE, UM, 10TH STREET RATHER IS VERY SPECIAL AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
SO WE HAVE IN SOME CASES CONSIDERED SOMETHING ELSE ON THE SIDES.
SO LONG AS THE FRONT FACADE HAD WOOD WINDOWS IN IT.
IS THAT, AM I CORRECT OR AM I IMAGINING THIS? UM, WE'VE MAINLY BEEN DOING EITHER ALL ALUMINUM OR ALL WOOD.
BUT MOST OF 10TH STREET WE'VE BEEN SAYING ALL WOOD.
SO WE WOULD PREFER TO SEE ACTUAL WOOD WINDOWS IN THERE THAT HAS A GREATER CHANCE OF MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE, IN THE PAST THEY USED TO LOOK AT THE BACK REAR HALF OF A HOME AS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT MATERIAL COST SAVING PURPOSE.
BUT EVERYTHING IN THE 50% IN FRONT OF THE STREET WOULD BE ALL WOOD.
AND IS THAT WHAT YOU PREFER? WE STILL DO HAVE AN OPINION, YES.
I THINK THAT'S MORE EASIER FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO DEVELOP TIN STREET, BUT WE STILL KEEP WOODEN WINDOW PRESENCE LOOKING MAIN STREET AND I THINK THAT IS FREQUENTLY SOMETHING THAT WE COULD SUPPORT TO SAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY ON THOSE WOOD WINDOWS AND A LITTLE BIT OF, OKAY.
YEAH, THOSE WOOD WINDOWS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE.
BUT THEY, THEY BRING SO MUCH TO THE DESIGN.
SO, UM, YOU, YOU'VE HEARD A COUPLE RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDING PUTTING THEM ONLY IN THE FRONT HALF OF THE HOU OF THE HOUSE.
I'M PUTTING SOMETHING ELSE IN THE BACK.
UM, IT'S YOUR DECISION WHICH YOU WANT TO, UM, WAGER
SO DID, DID, DID I HEAR THAT I CAN DO WOOD WINDOWS IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND, AND, AND NOT, AND NOT ON THE OTHERS ON THE REST? UH, WHAT WERE, WHAT MOST OF US I THINK ARE THINKING IS THE FRONT HALF OF THE BUILDING WOULD HAVE WOOD WINDOWS AND THE ONES IN THE BACK COULD BE WOOD CLAD.
WE, WE KIND OF NEVER LIKE TO SEE VINYL AND REALLY THEY WEAR OUT KIND OF.
SO WE, WE DO WORRY ABOUT VINYL DO THAT.
I I THINK COMMISSIONER RENO HAS BEEN PATIENTLY WAITING.
WELL, NO, I MEAN, SO I HAD A NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT THEY WERE ALL, I, WHAT I WAS PROPOSING WAS LOOKING FOR TWO STORY EXAMPLES INSTEAD OF STORY AND A HALF THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO GET.
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ME, ME, IT MAY BE GOING DOWN THE, THE WRONG DIRECTION.UM, IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS, IS PROBABLY WRONG DOWN THE WRONG DIRECTION, NOT WHAT YOU WERE PROPOSING.
UM, I, I DO AGREE WITH, UH, UM, WITH COMMISSIONER ANDERSON AND OTHERS WHO MAY HAVE MENTIONED IT ABOUT REDU.
UH, ACTUALLY IT WAS, UH, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR ABOUT REDUCING THE SCALE OF THE FRONT DORMER.
I THINK THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT, UH, FOR THAT THE SIZE OF THAT ROW.
SO NOW I'M SEEING HORIZONTAL SIDING ON THOSE, ON THE DOCKET.
THERE, THERE WAS, UH, THERE SIDING INDICATED.
SO IT DOES HAVE ALL THE TRIM DETAILS AND AND SO FORTH THAT WE'RE MISSING OFF OF THE DOCKET.
HE IS ADDED QUITE A BIT FROM WHAT'S ON THE DOCK.
SO THERE'S TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS, THERE'S TRIM AROUND THE SOFFITS AND THE, UH, EDGES AND ALL OF THAT IN THE CORNERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THIS IS A QUESTION OF FIRST HALF.
UM, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN THIS.
YEAH, THAT WAS FINISHED TODAY AT ABOUT 1259 METER.
I SAW WHAT WAS IN THE, UH, PACKET I LITERALLY UPLOADED AS WHEN THE, I UPLOADED IT AS THE, UH, AS THE MEETING WAS STARTING.
UM, SO MAYBE MY LAST, OR MY ONLY COMMENT THEN WOULD BE ON THE, UH, THE FIREPLACE ITSELF.
UM, WHAT WERE YOU SHOWING AS AN EXTERIOR SKIN OF THAT? FOR THE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT RIGHT NOW IT'S SHOWING, UH, THE SAME SIGHTING AS A HOME.
UM, YOU REALLY OUGHT TO TRY AND DO BRICK THERE.
IT IT, AND HAS HISTORIC, I MEAN IF YOU, IF YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO MATCH, UH, I MEAN I KNOW OBVIOUSLY IT'S A BRAND NEW HOME, BUT TRYING TO MATCH ANYTHING, UM, THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS HISTORIC IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT, THAT SHOULD BE BRICK.
JUST ONE CLARIFICATION, I WOULD LIKE TO GET, UH, ON THE, ON THE WINDOWS WHEN WE SAY, UH, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE CAN BE CLAD, UH, WOOD, I MEAN WOOD, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE, THE THREE IN THE FRONT? NO, ALL WOOD IN THE FRONT.
THEY WERE SAYING CLAD WOOD ON THE REAR.
SO THE THREE WINDOWS IN THE FRONT, THE ONE IN THE DORMER AND THE TWO IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, THOSE NEED TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT WOOD AND THE, AND THE REST CAN BE CLA NO, ALSO ON THE SIDES, THE FRONT 50% ON THE SIDES NEED TO BE ALL WOOD.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH SUGGESTIONS OR HENCE TO HELP THIS ONE MOVE FORWARD AND COME BACK TO US IN A FARM READY TO BUILD, BE BUILT.
IT SEEMS WE HAVE EXHAUSTED OUR WISDOM WITH YOU TODAY,
SO, UM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO WORK ON SOME OF OUR SUGGESTIONS, I THINK THAT THAT'S THE DORMER ISSUE.
THAT'S, THAT'S A REAL BIG ONE FOR, FOR EVERYBODY THAT SEEMS TO JUST NOT BE IN KEEPING WITH, WITH 10TH STREET.
YOU, I'VE REDUCED IT MULTIPLE TIMES ALREADY.
SO I'LL KEEP, WE'LL KEEP, WE'LL KEEP WORKING AND YOU WERE GIVEN AN EXAMPLE DOWN THE STREET THAT YOU COULD REFERENCE AND SEE IF YOU CAN KIND OF DUPLICATE THAT SORT OF.
SO THAT'S COURTESY REVIEW FOUR IS DONE.
WE ARE NOT YET READY TO RETURN TO DISCUSSION.
ITEM THREE, OUR SEARCH FOR INFORMATION.
DO WE HAVE JAMES MCGEE ON THE LINE? I'M JUST GONNA SEE, WE WANNA SEE IF MR. IS HERE.
OH COURTESY THREE BACK TO D FIVE.
WELL THEN WE CAN GO TO D FIVE.
D FIVE IS OUR OTHER INITIATION OF THE SHACK REINITIATION DISCUSSION ITEM D FIVE.
THIS IS RAA PER PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REINITIATION OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR 1518, A BRA ROAD, ALSO KNOWN AS THE SHAQ COMMISSIONERS.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE REINITIATE THE DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR 1518 ABRAMS ROAD, COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE SHACK.
I THINK OUR FIRST SECOND THAT TIME WAS COMMISSIONER RAIS.
ANY DISCUSSION? REAL COOL HOUSE.
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DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? COMMISSIONER ANDERSONI THOUGHT YOU HAD SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE WORDING.
GREAT HOUSE, BUT IT IS, I I WILL JUST SAY THAT THE OWNER IS VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS, UH, DESIGNATION AND HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE ON THE REPORT AND THE, UM, ADDITIONAL MATERIALS THAT ARE NEEDED.
YEAH, THIS SHOULD BE COMING TO US VERY SHORTLY.
WE'RE ALMOST DONE WITH THE DESIGNATION REPORT AND THE CRITERIA.
SO THIS WILL BE COMING TO US SHORTLY.
WE JUST DISCOVERED A COUPLE THINGS TO REDO AND SHE ACTUALLY VIEWS THE HOUSE BEING PRESERVED AS SORT OF HER LEGACY AFTER SHE'S GONE SOMEDAY.
NOT LIKE IT'S GONNA HAPPEN ANYTIME SOON, BUT SUNDAY.
HOW DID THIS SLIP OFF? UH, QUITE HOW DID IT, WHAT, HOW DID THIS JUST, HOW DID IT TAKE LONGER THAN THE ORIGINAL TWO YEARS? UH, PART OF IT WAS, IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT HOUSE TO UNDERSTAND.
OUR ARCHITECTS STRUGGLES TO FIGURE OUT WHICH PARTS WERE BUILT WHEN AND HOW THEY ARE CONNECTED, BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE, HAVE TO KNOW.
AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO JUST, IT'S SO UNIQUE.
THERE WAS A LOT OF DIFFICULTY IN GETTING THE INFORMATION WE NEEDED TO FINISH IT UP AND, AND THEN AT OUR LAST MEETING WHEN WE HOPED TO PASS IT, THE APPLICANT HAD SOME OTHER THINGS SHE WANTED US TO LOOK INTO.
SO NOW WE HAVE THE TIME TO DO THAT.
AND WE ARE SORRY THAT IT TOOK SO LONG, BUT LIKE I SAID, IT'S A DIFFERENT CASE THAN MOST OF WHAT WE LOOK AT.
I KNOW THEY'VE ALL BEEN DIFFERENT LATELY, BUT THIS IS JUST DIFFERENT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? PLEASE SAY YES.
IT IS REINITIATED THE DISCUSSION.
FOR WHICH WE'VE DETERMINED WE, I HAVE THAT.
DO WE JUST READ OH OH THREE FOUR.
SO YOU WANT ME TO READ C3 INTO THE RECORD? PLEASE READ C3 IN WHILE WE CONTINUE TO AWAIT FINAL INFORMATION ON THE CONFUSION AROUND THESE POTS AND, OH, IT'S GETTING MORE CONFUSED BEFORE IT GETS ANSWERED.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF COURTESY REVIEW.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT ONE 12 NORTH CLIFF STREET IN THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT CASE NUMBER COA DASH 26 DASH 35.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW OF CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A REAR DETACHED ONE CAR GARAGE COURTESY REVIEW.
SINCE THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION IS REQUIRED THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT CORNER LOT WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A REAR DETACHED ONE CAR GARAGE, BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.
UM, SO THERE'S NO ONE TO SPEAK HERE.
I CAN JUST ASK, READ COMMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND YEAH.
AND, AND WRITE THEM DOWN ON YOUR SPECIAL NEWS SHEET OF PAPER WITH PLAN.
UM, I THINK THE OVERALL SCOPE AND SCALE OF THE HOME IS APPROPRIATE.
UM, I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT I WILL MAKE A COMMENT ON IS THE ARCHED WINDOW DORMER.
I THINK THE DORMER IS THE APPROPRIATE SIZE.
I WOULD PROBABLY JUST MAKE THAT DORMER VENT LOUVER A SQUARE OR RECTANGLE.
BUT EVERYTHING ELSE I SEE DETAIL WISE LOOKS GOOD.
AND I AGREE ON THE WINDOW AND THE DORMER.
ARE THE MILLIONS BETWEEN THE GLASS, I MEAN ARE THE, ARE THE MILLIONS EXPRESSED ON THE OUTSIDE? UH, HE'S NOT GOING TO USE THOSE WINDOWS.
HE'S GOING TO USE ONE OVER ONE.
OKAY, SO YOU AGREE MR. ANDERSON, THAT 1 0 1 OVER ONE IS THE BEST THING TO DO.
COMMISSIONER RENA, DID I SEE YOU HOLDING UP? YES.
UM, SO TO GIVE A MORE SPECIFIC DETAIL ON THE, UH, ON THE DORMER ITSELF, UH, I FOUND ONE ON 1105, UM, 10TH STREET.
AS A, AS A REASONABLE EXAMPLE, UM, IT'S A BIT MORE HORIZONTAL AND IT'S GOT A VENT IN IT.
IT EITHER HAS A VENT OR, OR WINDOW CALL.
UM, AND THEN AS I WAS LOOKING AT OTHER, UM, MAYBE, UM, SOME OF THE, SOME OF US WHO, WHO WORK IN THE, UH, UH, IN THE 10TH STREET DISTRICT, BUT I, I COULDN'T FIND ANY WITH TAPERED COLUMNS.
I FOUND MORE TYPICALLY IN THE TWO PART WITH BRICK ON THE BOTTOM THAT THEY WERE, UH, BOX COLUMNS SQUARE ON THE TOP.
UM, THERE ARE I THINK TWO EXAMPLES THAT I'VE SEEN WITH TAPERED.
SOME HAVE BEEN DESTROYED, SOME HAVE BEEN REPLACED.
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AND TAPER, BUT MOSTLY IT'S ONE OR THE OTHER.THEN WELL, THE TAPERS ORIGINAL, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S WHAT IT'S HARD TO SAY 'CAUSE SOMETIMES IT MAY HAVE BEEN, I ONLY GO BACK TO 2012
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS TO HELP THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER REEVES WOULD LIKE US TO CONVEY THAT SHE THINKS THEY DID A GOOD JOB.
EVERYBODY NEEDS A LITTLE WE'LL PRAISE ONCE IN A WHILE,
SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR DISCUSSION OF COURTESY REVIEW THREE.
UM, I, I HAVE A HYPOTHETICAL FOR STAFF.
UM, IF WE WERE TO FIND OUT THAT THE TWO LOTS IN D THREE AND FOUR A ACTUALLY WE'RE ACTUALLY STILL ONE LOT, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING TO FACILITATE THEIR DISCUSSION WITH BUILDING INSPECTION? AND THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE YOU, YOU COULD PASS IT UP TO A BOX THERE.
SO LET ME, LET ME JUST GO AHEAD AND GIVE THE, THE BACKGROUND THAT I KNOW SO FAR, THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS ORIGINALLY PLATTED AS 25 FOOT WIDE LOTS, NOT 50.
THIS IS TWO LOTS THAT WERE AT SOME POINT COMBINED, BUT THEY CAN GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL 25 FOOT WIDTH BY RIGHT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
TREVOR'S STILL RUNNING AROUND TRYING TO GET SOME, SOME CLARIFICATION.
SO IT, IT COULD BE THAT THE ORIGINAL LOTS, LIKE THEY WERE ALL 25 FEET AND IT COULD BE THAT A SHOTGUN HOUSE WAS APPROPRIATE ORIGINALLY, UM, ON ONE OF THESE LOTS, BUT AT SOME POINT IT DID GET COMBINED AND NOW THEY WANT TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL 25.
THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE ARE AT THIS MOMENT, UNLESS TREVOR COMES BACK WITH, BUT WHAT WE ARE LACKING RIGHT NOW IS TO FIND IF THERE WAS AN OFFICIAL MOVEMENT MADE TO COMBINE THEM INTO ONE 50 FOOT LOT AT SOME POINT, WHICH COULD BE ANY TIME IT IS STILL LISTED AS TWO LOTS.
UM, THAT, THAT AT SOME POINT PERHAPS IT, THEY, THEY USE IT AS ONE LOT, BUT IT'S STILL TWO LOTS.
SO IT'S, IT'S LISTED AS LIKE LOT SOANDSO AND SOANDSO.
LIKE IT'S, IT'S LISTED AS TWO, THAT ORIGINAL MM-HMM
WELL THIS LEAVES US WITH QUITE QUANDARY.
DO WE GO AHEAD AND DISCUSS THE TWO PROPOSED SHOTGUN HOUSES AND SEE IF THERE'S UM, AS A MOTION ON THEM? UH, WE SEEM TO BE LOW ON SPEAKERS RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE OUTSIDE PERSON.
IF YOU WOULD CALL THEM BACK IN, WE DON'T KNOW YET WHAT WE'RE DOING.
YEAH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE NO MORE DISCUSSION ITEMS OTHER THAN D THREE AND D FOUR, SO, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO GO THROUGH.
BUT, UM, NO, THREE AND FOUR WILL BE RELATED.
ARE THEY RETURNING? JUST ME? JUST YOU.
SO I THINK WE'VE ALL AGREED IT WOULD BE FABULOUS IF WE COULD JUST GO WITH A DUPLEX, BUT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO ASCERTAIN WITH CERTAINTY THAT THIS IS ONE BIG LOT INSTEAD OF TWO SPINNING LOTS.
WOULD YOU LIKE THE COMMISSION TO ATTEMPT TO GIVE YOU FEEDBACK ON THE TWO PROPOSED HOUSES? IF THAT'S WHAT WE END UP GOING WITH? THAT IS STILL THE, UM, OWNER'S MAIN FOCUS TWO SINGLE LOTS, TWO HOUSES.
SO I WOULD LIKE ALL OF YOU, NO MATTER HOW THE OUTCOME TURNS OUT TO ADDRESS THIS AS IF WE ARE REVIEWING THIS HOU INDIVIDUAL HOUSE AND TELL ME WHAT YOU, YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS, BUT LET US DETERMINE WHAT OUR RULING WOULD BE IF THEY ARE ASKING FOR THIS HOUSE ON THIS LOT.
IF WE COULD APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR IF WE HAVE TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE AND A WHOLE LOT OF ADVICE ABOUT HOW TO MAKE IT BETTER.
COMMISSIONER REEDS, I STILL THINK THAT THE TWO HOUSES SHOULD NOT BE IDENTICAL.
SO THEY SHOULD NOT LOOK THE SAME ON THE OUTSIDE IS ONE THING THAT WE ARE SUGGESTING.
SO COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, IF YOU WERE ADDRESSING THIS HOUSE AS A POTENTIAL THING THAT WE APPROVE, WHAT WOULD YOUR SAY AND ASK ANY QUESTIONS YOU WISH I KNOW WEEKLY PLACE PRETTY WELL AND IT IS MOSTLY CRAFTSMEN
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HOUSE ON 50 FOOT LOTS.I THINK STARTING TO PUT SHOTGUN HOUSES WHERE THERE WERE NOT SHOTGUN HOUSES HISTORICALLY IS A MISTAKE.
I THINK THIS COULD BE BEGINNING OF OTHER PEOPLE DOING THE SAME THING AND SUNDAY WE'RE GONNA WAKE UP AND WE PLACES IS GONNA HAVE A LOT OF SHOTGUN HOUSES AND THEY'RE GONNA SSH THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK THIS IS A SLIPPERY SLOPE.
THEY, THEY DID NOT REPLANT THE LOTS.
THEY HAD LOTS THAT COULD GO EITHER WAY.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IS THAT IF IT WAS NEVER REPLANTED TO ONE BIG WHITE LOT, IT IS STILL TWO LOTS.
I JUST, TREVOR SHOWED ME THE ORIGINAL PLA THE ORIGINAL PLA IS 25 FOOT WIDE LOTS FOR EVERYBODY.
SO, SO ANYONE THAT BUILDS A WHEATY PLACE HAS TO BUILD SHOTGUN HOUSE.
NO, IT'S, UNLESS IT'S BEEN REPLANTED TO TWO, WHICH SEEMS TO BE A PATTERN THAT MANY PEOPLE REPRE, PLATTED TWO OF THOSE 25 FOOT LOTS INTO A 50 FOOT LOT AND NOW A HISTORIC HOME SITS ON THAT 50 FOOT LOT.
IN THIS CASE, WE CANNOT YET FIND EVIDENCE THAT IT WAS EVER RE PLATTED TO A SINGLE LOT WITHOUT THAT EVIDENCE BUILDING INSPECTION WILL NOT APPROVE A DUPLEX ON IT MUCH AS WE WISH THEY WOULD.
SO THAT IS WHERE WE FIND OURSELVES HAVING TO DEAL WITH HOW WE ARE HEMMED IN BY THIS REALITY NO MATTER WHAT WE WISH WERE TRUE.
OUR CHARGE IS TO BUILD NEW OR TO APPROVE NEW CONSTRUCTION HOUSES THAT ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT.
SO WE HAVE TO DETERMINE THAT SHOTGUN HOUSES ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT AND I THINK THEY ARE NOT.
ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER SMITH? UM, I JUST WANT TO GO ON RECORD REALLY QUICKLY BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IN EVERY SPACE I HA I I I MUST MAKE THIS POINT.
UM, ALL OF SOUTH DALLAS LOTS ARE PRETTY MUCH LIKE THIS.
MY HOME IN SOUTH DALLAS, UH, SITS ON LOT ONE AND LOT TWO.
AND SO AT SOME POINT WHENEVER THE CITY DECIDED TO COMBINE THESE LOTS TO MAKE THEM 50 FEET, THEY DID NOT DO, I GUESS THE REPL OR A FORMULATED PROCESS TO MAKE IT AN OFFICIAL SINGLE LOT.
SO I JUST WANNA GO ON RECORD AND SAY THAT I AGREE.
UM, YOU KNOW, SHOTGUN HOUSES DON'T EXIST IN WHEATLEY PLACE, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO A SITUATION WHERE WE GOTTA LOOK AT WHAT IT IS ORIGINALLY WITH THE, THE 25 FOOT LOTS, WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE, I GUESS HOLDING THE CITY FEET TO THE FIRE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT DEPARTMENT THAT IS TO ENSURE THAT IT HAS CHANGED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DISTRICT BECAUSE IT EXISTS IN THE ENTIRE DISTRICT, INCLUDING WHEATLEY PLACE, INCLUDING QUEEN CITIES AND EVEN SOME AREAS OF SOUTH BOULEVARD AND PARK ROAD.
SO WE'LL HAVE AN ISSUE IF THIS COMES UP AGAIN, THAT IS, THAT IS THIS EXACT SAME THING.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA SET THE PRECEDENT AND WE'RE GONNA SAY, HEY, WE GOT 25 FOOT LOTS, WE MUST PREPARE OURSELVES FOR WHAT'S TO COME BECAUSE AS A SPECULATIVE DEVELOPER THEY'LL SEE THAT AND SAY, OKAY, WELL COOL, I'LL JUST BUY ONE SINGLE LOT THAT I KNOW IT FOLKS DIDN'T GET RIGHT ONCE UPON A TIME AND NOW I'M JUST GONNA BUILD ON LOT ONE AND TWO OR IN THIS CASE LOTS 37 AND 38 I BELIEVE IS WHAT OKAY.
THE THING IS THAT THERE'S NO BLANKET REPLANTING.
IT'S DONE ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS.
NOW I HAVE TO ADD THE ONLY REALLY SOLUTION THAT MOVES FORWARD, WOULD YOUR CLIENT BE WILLING TO GO, IF WE FIND OUT THERE'S STILL TWO LOTS, WOULD THEY GO TO CPC AND REPL TO ONE LOT? UM, THEY WOULD GO TO REPL TO ONE LOT IF IT WAS ALLOWED AS A DUPLEX.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE AIMING AT.
YOU CAN'T GET A DUPLEX TILL YOU REPLANT IT TO ONE LOT.
CAN WE HOLD THIS OVER FOR OUR NEXT MEETING? I KNOW YOU'RE IN A HURRY.
CAN WE HOLD IT OVER FOR OUR NEXT MEETING SO THAT STAFF HAS A MONTH TO VERIFY WHAT IS THE LEGAL STANDING OF THIS PIECE OF LAND? AND WE WILL NEED TO DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE ON BOTH, ON BOTH THE CASES, BUT YES, WE COULD DO MORE RESEARCH AND UM, AND, AND TALKING WITH THE, THE ZONING PLANNERS TO, TO GET THIS ALL FIGURED OUT.
I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY'S POINT OF VIEW.
UH, MS. REEVES TWO DIFFERENT HOUSES.
UM, THE ONLY ISSUE IS WE CAN'T GET ONE STYLE APPROVED.
SO TO GET TWO STYLES APPROVED WOULD SEEM CRAZY 'CAUSE WE CAN'T GET TO ONE.
UM, ON THIS SIDE, UM, DIVIDING THE LOTS FROM MYERS TO THE OTHER CORNER, EVERY SINGLE LOT IS 25 FOOT WIDE LOT PER PLAT.
NOW THERE ARE 50, UH, 40 FOOT WIDE HOMES PER TWO LOTS, UM, UP AND DOWN, UM, THE STREET THERE.
BUT FROM CORNER TO CORNER PER THE PLA EVERY SINGLE LOT IS 25 FEET WIDE.
OKAY, WHAT I MAKE A SUGGESTION QUESTION ABOUT TO DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE BEFORE, IF YOU GO TO THE ZONING DEPARTMENT AND ASK FOR A DETERMINATION LETTER, THEY CAN WRITE
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A DETERMINATION LETTER COST A CERTAIN FEE, BUT THEY CAN DO THE RESEARCH ON THE PLAQUES AND THEY CAN PROVIDE A LETTER THAT WILL NOT NECESSARILY TRUMP, BUT WOULD ALLEVIATE ANY BUILDING INSPECTION CONCERNS, UH, WHEN IT PERTAINS TO A LEGAL BUILDING SITE FOR ONE OR TWO.AND HAVING THAT LETTER IN COMBINATION WITH THE DIRECTION FROM US MAY GIVE YOU A PATH FORWARD OR ONE ACTUAL HOUSE AND STYLE SO THAT YOUR CLIENT CAN MOVE FORWARD.
SO, UM, MOLLY ANSWER TO THAT, UM, IS AGAIN, I, I SPOKE WITH THE PLAN EXAMINERS.
UM, I KNOW THE LEGAL BILL SITE PROCESS AS WELL, 5 50, 700 $50.
UM, IT USED TO BE WHEN IT STARTED, THEY WOULD DO THE RESEARCH.
NOW IT'S GOTTEN TO THE POINT TO WHERE I HAVE TO DO THE RESEARCH, I PROVIDE EVERYTHING.
THEY COME BACK, WELL, YOU'RE MISSING THIS, THIS, AND THIS.
WELL, YOU'RE CHARGING 7 550, 700 $50.
BUT I HAVE TO PROVIDE ALL THE RESEARCH.
UM, I LIVE AT THE CITY OF DALLAS EVERY SINGLE DAY.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S WHAT WE DO PROCESS PERMITS, WE DO PLAN DESIGN.
UM, SO WE ARE WELL AWARE OF THE, UM, LEGAL BUILD SITE, BUT THAT'S THE REASON WE SPOKE TO THE PLAN EXAMINERS.
UM, BEFORE WE GO TO THE LEGAL BUILD SITE TO GET THE UNDERSTANDING IF WE'RE JUST WASTING MONEY OR WE'RE NOT, AND JUST FROM WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED, WE'RE JUST WASTING MONEY AT THAT POINT.
LET ME ASK, IS THERE ANY WAY WITHIN STAFF THAT SHE WEREN'T ABLE TO? I WAS.
DR. DUNN HAS HAVE, HAVE THEY DONE A NEW CONSTRUCTION PRELIMINARY WITH THE PRELIMINARY REVIEW FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT WE NORMALLY DO WITH LORI OR WHOEVER BECAUSE THAT, THAT MIGHT HELP US GET TO THE HEART OF IT.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE WHAT OUR BEST COURSE OF ACTION RIGHT NOW, GIVEN ALL THE THINGS WE DON'T KNOW AND THE CROSS OPINIONS IS THAT WE WILL HAVE TO DENY BOTH OF THESE WITH PREJUDICE TODAY.
I'M POSING THIS TO YOU, WE DO THAT SO YOU CAN COME BACK NEXT TIME BY WHICH TIME WE MIGHT KNOW.
AND YOU SAID MS. LORI, UH, LEWIS? YEAH.
SO I TALKED TO MS. MYRA HERNANDEZ WORK HAND IN HAND.
UH, ONE OF THE PLAN EXAMINERS, MR. ALI, UM, I KNOW MS. LORI VERY WELL, UM, WORKED WITH HER FOR A LONG TIME.
I COULD GO BACK AND DISCUSS THIS WITH HER AS WELL.
UM, JUST FROM CITY PLANNING, THEIR THING IS, HEY, YOU GUYS ARE WITHIN ZONING, YOU'RE WITHIN CODES.
THEY DON'T SEE ANY ISSUE WITH ANY OF THIS.
THIS IS GONNA COME BACK TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IT HAS TO COME BACK TO US EVENTUALLY.
AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE'D ALL LOVE IT IF THE OUTCOME WAS IT'S ONE BIG PIECE OF LAND AND WE CAN MAKE A DUPLEX THAT FITS WELL AND THAT WOULD BE EASY FOR YOU TO DO.
LET US TALK, LET LET US TALK WITH MA AND UH, AND THEN WE CAN GET A LETTER TO OF DETERMINATION SO THAT NEXT MONTH WE DON'T HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ANYMORE.
NEXT MONTH WE CAN ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN DO MOVING FORWARD.
NOW I HAVE TO WARN THE COMMISSIONER, SHOULD THIS COME BACK? IT IS TWO 20 THAT IT IS, THAT IT IS FOR SURE.
WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THOSE 20 FOOT WIDE LOTS BECAUSE THEY EXIST AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE.
SO WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, PUT ON YOUR THINKING CAPS ABOUT HOW YOU COULD MAKE THESE HOUSES LOOK OKAY ON THEIR, WHAT THEY CAN DO.
BECAUSE IF THAT'S THE REALITY, THEN WE HAVE TO WORK WITHIN REALITY.
WE TRIED TO SOLVE PROBLEMS AND SO FAR IT'S, THIS IS OUR HARDEST PROBLEM YET, BUT WE HAVE TRIED TO SOLVE IT.
THE COMMISSIONER RES WAS WAS YOUR QUESTION OR WAS THE PLANNING WHOEVER'S, DID THEY NOT WANT A DUPLEX ON THE ON? NO, IT'S NOT THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT IT.
WE COULDN'T GO BACK AND PUT A DUPLEX.
THE THE QUESTION IS REALLY, BUT COULD YOU PUT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME VERSUS YOU COULD PUT ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THAT 40 FOOT WIDE, UH, 50 FOOT WIDE MARK.
THE QUE THE QUESTION REALLY BOILS DOWN TO, IS IT TWO LOTS OR IS IT ONE, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BUILD ACROSS A LOT, LOT.
NO, OUR APPLICANTS WOULD BE HAPPY TO HAVE A DUPLEX, BUT HE SAID THEY WENT AND ASKED ABOUT GETTING A DUPLEX AND WE'RE TOLD IT'S TWO LOTS AND THEREFORE YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
SO WE MUST WHAT? THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO NOW THAT WILL SOLVE ANY PROBLEM IS FIND OUT FOR SURE WHAT IT IS PLOTTED AS TWO, TWO LITTLE LOTS OR ONE BIG LOT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S JUST KIND OF IT ON THAT.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE ASK FOR.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY IT IS TWO SMALL WA UH, SMALL LOTS.
I JUST HAD, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT'S, SO WE'RE GONNA, IF THEY HAVE TO REPL, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN JUMP, GET THEM TO JUMP AHEAD OF TIME? 'CAUSE I KNOW RE PLATTING SOMETIMES CAN TAKE A LONG TIME.
UH, SO CAN WE, CAN WE TRY TO HELP, TRY TO EXPEDITE THAT SO IT CAN GET DONE AS, YOU KNOW, SOONER THAN, AND THEN ARE ANY, CAN WE TRY TO LOOK ABOUT WAIVING ANY KIND OF ADDITIONAL FEES FOR, FOR THE APPLICANT GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS? I HAVE NO CONTROL WHATSOEVER OVER THE RE PLATTING.
UM, WE CAN'T TRY TO, I THINK WE NEED GET THEM TO PUT IT.
I WE JUST NEED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FIRST IN THE FRONT OF THE LINE.
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NO, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING I CAN DO TO CHANGE THAT.IT'S GONNA BE MORE LIKELY AS THE, AS AS THE CHAIR HAS SUGGESTED THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT'S, SO I GOTTA SEE WHAT THE POSSIBILITY.
SO WHAT WE, WE, WE JUST MUST NAIL DOWN.
WHAT, WHAT LOTS ARE WE DEALING WITH? TWO LOTS OF, ONE LOT.
AND THEN WE CAN'T GO ANY FURTHER.
WE'RE TALKING AROUND AND AROUND AND WE DON'T KNOW.
SO EVERYBODY HAS SOME TIME TO THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU WILL DO IF IT'S TOO SKINNY.
LOTS CITY ATTORNEY, UH, COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS, TO YOUR POINT, UM, ABOUT ALLOWING THEM TO REIMBURSE FEES.
IF THE, IF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TODAY IS DENIED, THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AT A LATER DATE, UM, THEY CAN CERTAINLY REQUEST REIMBURSEMENT AND YOU GUYS CAN VOTE ON THAT.
SO THAT WOULD SERVE, BUT WE CAN'T HELP 'EM WITH THE, WITH THE REBUT OF THE
COMMISSIONER REEDS, WOULD YOU CONSIDER A SINGLE FAMILY HOME? UM, WE WOULD CONSIDER IT IF THAT WAS THE LAST CHOICE, BUT, UM, AT THE MOMENT IT IS TWO LOTS.
UM, SO ONLY THING I, AGAIN, I GO BACK AND ASK IS IT IS TWO LOTS.
UM, PER THE PART THAT THEY FOUND, THE OWNERS DID FINE.
THAT'S WHERE THEY WENT RIGHT NOW TO GO TALK TO MR. MO AND HIS TEAM, UH, FROM THE REPL.
UM, WHEN I SPOKE WITH HIM, UM, HE WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND LEAVING IT AS TWO BECAUSE IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT SINCE IT'S ON THE SAME STREET FACE.
UM, EVERY SINGLE LOT IS A 20 FOOT, UH, 25 FOOT WIDE LOT.
IT'D BE DIFFICULT FOR HIM TO APPROVE A 50 FOOT WIDE LOT WHEN THERE'S NOTHING FROM STREET TO STREET CORNER TO CORNER, UM, ON THAT STREET BASE.
ALL RIGHT, I THINK WE'RE CONTINUING TO JUST GET MORE MUDDLED.
WE HAVE TO FIND OUT WHAT IT REALLY IS.
STAFF CAN DO THAT AND THE APPLICANT WILL WORK ON DOING THAT.
IF STAFF COULD ALSO LOOK AT WHEATLEY PLACE AS AS TO HOW MANY VACANT LOTS ARE SPLIT THIS WAY.
AND ALSO ARE THERE HOUSES ON LOTS THAT ARE SPLIT THIS WAY? IF THIS IS THE STATUS QUO AND WHEAT PLACE, THEN THIS IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALLGAME.
AND IF THERE ARE 20 VACANT LOTS FOR THIS NUMBER AND ALL OF THEM ARE SPLIT IN HALF, THAT MEANS WE HAVE 40 SHOTGUN HOUSES COMING AWAY POTENTIALLY.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO RESEARCH THIS WHOLE THING AND SEE WHERE WE'RE, HOW WE'RE I I I'VE ALREADY THOUGHT OF THAT.
UM, SO WHAT WE NEED, SINCE IT'S ALL WE CAN DO TODAY TO GET ANYWHERE, I WAS GONNA ASK FOR MOTION ON D THREE AND THEN A MOTION ON D FOUR.
DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT SINCE Y'ALL HAVE OWNED THIS, Y'ALL WENT AND HAD THIS REPLANTED INTO TWO SEPARATE LOTS OR NOT? SO THE OWNER SAID THE PROPERTY WAS REPLANTED.
UH, I SAY REPLANTED, BUT IT ACTUALLY WAS PLATTED THAT WAY AS TWO LOTS.
OKAY, SO WHEN HE SAID REPRE PLATTER, HE MISSPOKE.
MISSPOKE REPLAT, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN PLATTED AS TWO LOTS.
DID HE BUY IT? DID HE BUY IT? BOUGHT IT AS TWO LOTS.
HE BOUGHT IT SO THAT HE HAS TWO CONTRACTS OF SALE, HAS TWO CONTRACTS OF SALE.
SO, AND THEY'RE GONNA, AGAIN, THEY'RE CON UH, CONFIRMING EVERYTHING WITH, UH, MR. MO AND HIS TEAM, UM, ON JEFFERSON.
UM, I'M GONNA HEAD THAT WAY TO TRY TO CATCH THEM WHEN WE'RE DONE HERE.
IF NOT, IT'D BE SOMETHING ON MY AGENDA TOMORROW TO TAKE CARE OF AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
UM, OF COURSE, WHATEVER WE COULD FIND ON OUR SIDE AS RE FOR RESEARCH, UM, WHATEVER I CAN DO TO HELP.
UM, DR. DUNN, I CAN REACH OUT TO HER DURING THE WEEK.
UM, JUST SEE WHERE WE'RE AT OR SOMETHING ADDITIONAL IS GONNA BE NEEDED FOR MINE.
AND, AND MAYBE THIS QUESTION IS MORE APPROPRIATE TO DR. DUNN.
DO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE ON, ON THESE VACANT LOTS AT ANY TIME PRIOR TO TODAY? HAVE THEY ALWAYS BEEN VACANT? UM,
I REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT THAT AT OUR COURTESY REVIEW.
AND IT WAS ON ONLY 1 25 FOOT LOT OR DID IT COVER
YEARS AGO, BUT YEARS AGO PLATING WAS NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL.
SO I MEAN, IF IT'S 50 YEARS OLD OR OLDER, I MEAN NOBODY CARED ABOUT BLADDER.
SO WE HAVE TO GET OUR FINAL LEGAL WORD ON THIS AND WE CANNOT MOVE FORWARD.
DOES ANYONE HAVE A MOTION FOR D THREE I? YOU NEED TO TURN YOUR MIC.
I MOVE THAT WE DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE AND PLEASE STATE THAT IT IS DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER THREE AND I PUT ALL THAT SMITH.
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THANK YOU.DO I HAVE A SECOND ON THIS? SECOND.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
THIS MOTION HAS CARRIED, IT IS A DENIAL.
I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF THE APPEAL PROCESS, BUT YOU ALSO KNOW WHAT WE'RE REALLY DOING HERE IS TRYING TO HELP YOU YES.
D FOUR NEEDS TO BE READ INTO THE RECORD SO WE CAN STAFF.
RHONDA DUNN SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 29 41 WARREN AVENUE IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT CASE NUMBER CO A DASH 26 DASH 25.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE, BUT THE FINDINGS OF FACT THAT THE MASSING OF THE PROPOSED MAIN BUILDING IS INAPPROPRIATELY SCALED FOR ITS SURROUNDING CONTEXT.
IE MASSING IS TOO HIGH AN ISSUE OF VERTICALITY AND IT'S NOT TYPICAL OF THE DISTRICT.
THE PROPOSED WORK THEREFORE WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE DISTRICT AND DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION D FIVE B ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND ARE THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
ONLY NON-SUPPORTIVE FOLLOWING COMMENTS.
ARCHITECTURAL STYLE IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE DISTRICT AND ELEVATIONS DO NOT MATCH ROOF PLAN.
I MOVED THAT, UH, COA 26, 25, 29 41 WARREN AVENUE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
NO, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.
AGAIN, I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S HELP.
UM, BIGGEST THING IS JUST IF IT DOES GO BACK TO 25 FOOT WIDE, UM, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN COME TO CONCLUSION WITH, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO REDESIGN ANYTHING YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO SEE THERE IN WEEKLY PLACE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT TO CONTINUE, UM, THE GUIDELINES THAT ARE THERE.
SO AGAIN, AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS, UH, TALK TO THE CLIENTS.
I APOLOGIZE, UH, FOR THE OUTBURST OF THE QUESTIONING.
UM, BUT UH, NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
OKAY? WE WILL BE DOING OUR THINKING.
YOU DO YOUR THINKING AND WE'LL FIND OUT THE FINAL TRUTH ABOUT THE PLA.
ALRIGHT, UH, LISA, IT'S ONLY WITH OUR MINUTES.
DID ANYBODY HAVE A CHANGE TO BE MADE TO THE MINUTES AS THEY WERE SENT OUT TO YOU? YES, I DID.
ON PAGE NINE, THE, UH, BOX OF THE, UH, WHO VOTED FOR WHAT HAS BEEN CUT OFF ON THE PDF AND ON THE COPY THAT WAS SENT AROUND PAGE NINE, THE BOX THAT SAYS HOW WE VOTED IS CUT OFF.
COULD YOU, ON WHICH ONE? I'M SORRY.
YEAH, WELL, YOU'LL HAVE TO, UM, REPAIR THAT PAGE AND MAKE IT LOOK RIGHT.
ANYTHING ELSE? I MEAN THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES WITH THE CORRECTIONS.
WERE THERE ANY OTHER CORRECTIONS THOUGH? I WAS ASKING? NO ONE HAS ANY.
SO SHE HAD MOVED TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES WITH THAT STATED CORRECTION.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND.
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS, DID YOU SECOND IT? MARK? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO THAT
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING WITH THE STATED CORRECTION ON PAGE NINE? YES.
THAT CONCLUDES THE BUSINESS OF THIS MEETING OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.
MAY I RAISE A POINT OF ORDER PLEASE FROM ROBERT RULES? SURE.
ACCORDING TO ROBERT HURLES, I THINK WE'RE SUPPOSED TO MAKE MOTIONS BEFORE WE HAVE DISCUSSION.
UM, SO CAN WE TRY TO, SINCE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW ROBERT'S RULES, IT SEEMS APPROPRIATE THAT WE SHOULD BE MAKING MOTIONS BEFORE YOU OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION.
WE, WE, WE ALWAYS ASK QUESTIONS OF COURSE, PRIOR TO
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THE WE ASK QUESTIONS.THAT'S NOT, WE SHOULDN'T, THAT'S HOW WE SHOULD WE DO IT? THAT'S IN OUR ORDINANCE? NO, OUR ORDINANCE.
OUR ORDINANCE AS THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.
IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, ROBERT, RULES OF ORDER.
SAY BEFORE YOU CAN HAVE QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION ON THE BOARD.
WELL, IT IS OUR PRACTICE FOR ALL THE TIME I'VE BEEN HERE THAT WE ASK QUESTIONS OF THE, UM, SPEAKERS ON EACH CASE AND OF STAFF PRIOR TO MAKING OUR MOTION.
THAT IS THE TIME WE TRIED TO ESTABLISH SOME SORT OF MO OF, UM, ACCOMMODATIONS THAT WOULD HELP.
AND IT IS EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE FOR US TO DO THAT.
DISCUSSION KEEPS CREEPING IN AND WE TRY TO STOP THAT, BUT IT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK.
CITY ATTORNEY, PLEASE ADDRESS SINCE YOU HAVE YOUR MICROPHONE ON, I KNOW YOU HAD SOMETHING TO SAY.
UM, MR. ROZANSKI IS, UH, CORRECT IN THAT ASPECT THAT THE DISCUSSION SHOULD CERTAINLY TAKE PLACE AFTER THE MOTION'S BEEN MADE.
UM, QUESTIONS GENERALLY TAKING PLACE.
UH, FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, WHEN THE APPLICANT IS MAKING THEIR DISCUSSION, UM, THEY MAKE THEIR TIME, THE BOARD IS ALLOWED TO ASK, EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONERS ARE ALLOWED TO ASK THE APPLICANT'S QUESTIONS.
UM, THE QUESTIONS THAT THE APPLICANT WAS POSING TO YOU EARLIER, YEAH, AS MR. ZAKI POINTED OUT, WERE INAPPROPRIATE.
THANK YOU FOR, FOR, AND IT'S NICE TO HAVE SOMEONE ASIDE.
I, I WAS, I TRY TO MAINTAIN FRIENDLY RELATIONS WITH PEOPLE SO THAT THEY'LL WANT TO WORK WITH US.
IT IS IMPORTANT IN THE FUTURE.
UM, WHEN, WHEN AN APPLICANT IS DOING THAT SORT OF THING, UH, MAKING A, HE NEEDS TO ADVOCATE FOR HIS POSITION, RIGHT? SO MAKING A STATEMENT RATHER THAN SAYING, HEY, HAVE YOU GUYS BEEN DOWN THERE? HAVE YOU GUYS SEEN THAT THERE AREN'T THIS TYPE OF, UH, DWELLING? UH, A A BETTER WAY TO GO ABOUT DOING THAT WOULD BE TO SAY, UH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE AREN'T, OR THERE ARE, THERE ARE A LOT OF THESE, UH, SHOTGUN HOUSES PRESENT AND ADVOCATE FOR HIS POSITION.
ONCE THE MOTION IS MADE, THEN DISCUSSION SHOULD TAKE PLACE.
DISCUSSION SHOULDN'T TAKE PLACE BEFORE THAT.
CERTAINLY NOT DURING THE, UH, HEARING PORTION IN THE MORNINGS AND DURING THE HEARING.
NOT DURING THE BRIEFING PORTIONS IN THE MORNING, NOR DURING THE HEARING PORTION IN THE AFTERNOON.
AND TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, I CHOSE TO HEAR THAT MAN'S QUESTIONS AS RHETORICAL QUESTIONS THAT ACTUALLY MEANT, HEY, THERE'S LOTS OF STUFF IN HOUSES.
I DO TRY TO GIVE LEEWAY TO PEOPLE TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES SO LONG AS THEY DON'T ACTUALLY INSULT US.
I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, THAT WE ALL REMEMBER THAT BEFORE THE MOTION IS MEANT TO JUST BE QUESTIONED AND NOT DISCUSS IT.
AND WE TRY TO STICK TO THAT AND WE DO KEEP DRIFTING, BUT WE WILL TRY TO DO BETTER IF I HAVE TO GO BACK TO CALLING OUT PEOPLE.
BUT THAT DOES SEEM TO MAKE ME TERRIBLY UNPOPULAR.
BUT I GUESS I CAN RISK BEING UNPOPULAR.
ALRIGHT, SO I SUSPECT IT MAY FALL SHORT OF YOUR DESIRE FOR ACTUALLY ORDER, SORRY,
I KNOW YOUR BACKGROUND, YOUR FAMILY BACKGROUND, BUT WE'RE JUST A LITTLE TROOP.
SO IT'S NOW 3 44 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED OFFICIALLY.