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          ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A QUORUM. GOOD MORNING. TODAY IS WEDNESDAY,
MARCH THE 4TH, 2026. 
          [Invocation and Pledge of Allegiance
Special Presentations
Open Microphone Speakers]
THE TIMES, 9:48 A.M.. I NOW CALL THIS MEETING OF THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER. 
          OUR INVOCATION THIS MORNING WILL BE GIVEN BY MINISTER JC HAMILTON,
WHO IS THE SENIOR MINISTER OF THE COMMUNITY CHURCH OF CHRIST. 
          AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO HIM FOR INVOCATION. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
TO THE UNITED STATES. FLAG AND THE TEXAS FLAG. GOOD MORNING, FATHER GOD. IN THE NAME OF JESUS, WE COME TO YOU HUMBLY,
RECOGNIZING THAT YOU ARE GOD, AND BESIDE YOU THERE'S NOBODY ELSE. 
          AND LORD, WE COME RECOGNIZING THAT IF YOU DON'T HELP US,
WE WILL GO ON HELP. 
          IF YOU DON'T BLESS US, WE WILL GO UNBLESSED. SO WE'RE ASKING A BLESSING ON THIS CITY
COUNCIL. 
          WE'RE ASKING A BLESSING ON THIS CITY. WE'RE ASKING A BLESSING ON EVERY COMMUNITY. 
          WE'RE ASKING A BLESSING ON EVERY PERSON, EVEN THOSE UNDER THE SOUND OF MY VOICE AT THIS
MOMENT. 
          LET PEACE AND PROGRESS DWELL TOGETHER WITHOUT CONFLICT,
AS WE ALL, TOGETHER WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, WORK ON MAKING A BETTER DALLAS. IN JESUS NAME,
AMEN. 
          IF EVERYONE WHO IS ABLE WOULD PLEASE RISE FOR OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR
WHICH IT STANDS. 
          ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE,
TEXAS. 
          ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          YOU MAY BE SEATED. OKAY. I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE ANNOUNCEMENT FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OUR CITY MANAGER. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL. TODAY,
WE ARE HONORED TO RECOGNIZE THE POWER AND PARTNERSHIP OF THE STAFF AND PARTNERS OF THE DALLAS MARTIN. DOCTOR MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          EXCUSE ME. IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, THIS TEAM HOSTED THE 44TH ANNUAL MLK DAY PARADE,
ENGAGING OVER 130 COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS AND PARTNERS IN THIS INCREDIBLE ANNUAL EVENT. MORE THAN 12,000 INDIVIDUALS PARTICIPATED IN THE
PARADE, WALKING, PERFORMING, AND MARCHING ALONGSIDE COMMUNITY PARTNERS,
NONPROFIT AND FOR PROFIT LIKE PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. 
          THIS YEAR'S PARADE BROUGHT AN ESTIMATED 61,000 SPECTATORS TO SUNNY SOUTH DALLAS TO ENJOY
THE PARADE THAT TRAVELED UP AND DOWN MLK BOULEVARD. AND SO TODAY WE ARE HONORED TO HAVE JOINING WITH US THE MANAGING PARTNER OF
HELP, MR. CLINTON BAKER. HELP IS A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION FOCUSED ON IMPROVING THE QUALITY OF
LIFE FOR PEOPLE IN NEED. 
          THE ORGANIZATION'S MISSION IS EXEMPLIFIED BY ITS NAME,
WHICH STANDS FOR HOPE, ENCOURAGE, LOVE, AND PROTECT THE FOLKS THAT HELP HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF SUPPORTING THE MLK DAY PARADE,
THE COMMUNITY CENTER, ITS EVENTS, AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. THERE ARE 19 EMPLOYEES AND OVER 60 VOLUNTEERS
WERE ESSENTIAL IN HELPING PULL OFF THIS YEAR'S INCREDIBLE MLK PARADE. MR. BAKER IS JOINED BY A NUMBER OF THOSE EMPLOYEES AND VOLUNTEERS,
AND AT THIS TIME, WE'D LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE THOSE INDIVIDUALS. 
          THANK YOU TO CHRISTOPHER DUKES, LATRICIA JONES,
SCOTT TURNER, RONALD GUILLEN, ALEX MCCULLOUGH, WILLIAM. HUNT, VINCENT. METEOR. GREGORY. HARRINGTON. 
          BRIDGET. CLARK. APRIL. THOMAS. LADY MCBRIDE. DESTINY MCBRIDE. 
          KIMBERLY. JONES. SHERRY. RICHARDSON. LYNETTE. 
          MOSS. ANGELA HAIRSTON AND TAMIKA MCCOY. AND BOB HUNT. 
          EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUALS REPRESENT THE HEART OF THIS EFFORT. 
          THEIR TIME, THEIR DEDICATION, AND THEIR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE ENSURED THAT THIS YEAR'S
PARADE WAS NOT ONLY SUCCESSFUL, BUT MEANINGFUL. TOGETHER, THEY EXEMPLIFY THE SPIRIT OF PARTNERSHIP AND COMMUNITY THAT
MAKES THE MLK PARADE SUCH A POWERFUL REFLECTION AND EXAMPLE OF DOCTOR KING. WE WANT TO ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THE INCREDIBLE MEMBERS OF THE MLK
CENTER ADVISORY BOARD, INCLUDING THE CHAIR CLARA TRIMBLE. VICE CHAIR KELLY DRAKE. 
          VITALIA NUNEZ, BETTY CARTER, YURI VERNET, MOSS,
SANTA BIRDSEED, NEIL QWERTY, AND CHRISTIAN 
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DIAZ. WE EXPRESS OUR SINCERE APPRECIATION TO ALL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS FOR THE WORK THAT
YOU DO AT THE CENTER THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. 
          AND FINALLY, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE INCREDIBLE STAFF OF THE OFFICE OF HOUSING AND
COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT AND THE MLK COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          THIS AMAZING TEAM INCLUDES THE MANAGER, PAMELA JONES,
LAUREN BACON, NATASHA COOPER, NICOLE ROGERS GUTIERREZ AND MARIA BRADENTON MERCADO AND DOCTOR JAMIL SLAUGHTER. THIS TEAM WORKS TO KEEP THE MLK CENTER RUNNING ALL YEAR ROUND, CONNECTING DALLAS SITES TO CRITICAL SERVICES INCLUDING FOOD,
EMPLOYMENT, HOUSING ASSISTANCE, AS WELL AS ALL OF THE MANY CULTURAL EVENTS THAT KEEP SOUTH DALLAS VIBRANT. 
          SO AT THIS TIME, PLEASE JOIN ME IN THANKING ALL OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO CONTINUE TO WORK
TOGETHER TO KEEP THE CENTER STRONG AND TO THE PEOPLE THAT MADE THIS YEAR'S EVENT POSSIBLE. 
          THANK YOU ALL SO VERY MUCH. 
          ALL RIGHT, AS FOLKS ARE MAKING THEIR WAY BACK TO THEIR SEATS. 
          I KNOW SHE WASN'T EXPECTING ME TO DO THIS, BUT I HAVE TO SADLY. 
          WE ARE VERY BLESSED IN THIS CITY TO HAVE A CITY MANAGER. 
          WHO. WHO LOVES THIS CITY ENOUGH TO GIVE ALL OF HER TIME HER EFFORT DAY AND NIGHT. THIS WOMAN WORKS FOR THIS CITY,
AND THERE'S NEVER BEEN A TIME I'VE NEEDED ANYTHING FROM HER THAT SHE WASN'T AVAILABLE. 
          AND. IT'S IT'S I I'M HAVING A HARD TIME EVEN EXPRESSING WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. 
          SHE'S HERE TODAY DESPITE THE FACT THAT SHE LOST HER FATHER YESTERDAY. 
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SO I WANT TO OBSERVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR ALGER BIZOR,
THE FATHER OF OUR CITY MANAGER, WHO PASSED AWAY YESTERDAY. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY TO YOU,
KIM, I LOVE YOU, AND I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WHAT YOU DO FOR THIS CITY AND FOR THE FACT THAT YOU ARE HERE TODAY DOING WHAT'S VERY IMPORTANT WORK,
GIVEN ALL THAT YOU HAVE GOING ON RIGHT NOW. 
          BUT WE'RE HERE FOR YOU. WHATEVER YOU NEED, WHATEVER YOU NEED. 
          BUT WITH THAT, IF WE COULD JUST OBSERVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR FOR ALGER BIZOR,
THE FATHER OF KIMBERLY BIZOR TOLBERT, OUR CITY MANAGER. 
          THANK YOU. AND CITY SECRETARY. WE CAN GO ON TO OUR OPEN MICROPHONE SPEAKERS NOW. 
          THANK YOU, MISTER MAYOR, AND GOOD MORNING. THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW HEAR ITS FIRST
FIVE REGISTERED SPEAKERS. 
          I WILL RECITE THE SPEAKER GUIDELINES. SPEAKERS MUST OBSERVE THE SAME RULES OF PROPRIETY,
DECORUM AND GOOD CONDUCT APPLICABLE TO MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          ANY SPEAKER MAKING PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, PROFANE,
OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS, OR WHO BECOMES BOISTEROUS WHILE ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL, WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE ROOM. FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE IN PERSON. 
          FOR THOSE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS, YOU WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE SESSION. 
          INDIVIDUALS ARE GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. 
          FOR THOSE IN PERSON SPEAKERS, YOU WILL NOTICE THE TIME ON THE MONITOR AT THE PODIUM WHEN
YOUR TIME IS UP. 
          PLEASE STOP FOR THOSE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS, I WILL ANNOUNCE WHEN YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED. 
          ALSO, SPEAKERS, PLEASE BE MINDFUL THAT DURING YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS,
YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REFER TO A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER BY NAME AND ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO MAYOR JOHNSON ONLY. YOUR FIRST SPEAKER, RYAN BARNETT. 
          ARE WE READY? ALL RIGHT. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          I TOLD YOU SO FOUR MONTHS AGO. I CAME UP HERE AND I TOLD ALL OF YOU THAT THE CITY OF
DALLAS HADN'T UPDATED ITS ORDINANCES IN RESPONSE TO HOUSE BILL 2878 THEN WHAT DID I DO? I WENT AND TOOK A BUNCH OF BONG RIPS AND BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF YOUR ATTORNEY IN COURT. 
          IT WAS QUITE FUN. IN FACT. TOOK BONG RIPS, WENT IN,
FILED A MOTION, WAITED FOR THE JUDGE TO MAKE HIS DECISION. 
          TOOK ANOTHER BONG RIP, FILED ANOTHER MOTION. IT WAS GREAT. 
          AND I BEAT YOUR ATTORNEY FIVE OUT OF THE SIX TIMES. 
          THE ONLY REASON I HAVEN'T WON THE SIXTH IS I HAVEN'T FILED THAT MOTION. 
          THERE'S A FEW OF YOU HERE THAT ARE BAR LICENSED. 
          I WOULD LOVE IT IF YOU WOULD STEP UP. I'VE EVEN TWEETED TO SOME OF YOU TRYING TO GET YOU
TO ENCOURAGE YOU. 
          NONE OF Y'ALL SEEM TO WANT TO FIGHT ME AGAINST THIS. 
          YOU WANT TO ALLOW CODE ENFORCEMENT TO HARASS ME,
BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO UPDATE YOUR ORDINANCES LIKE YOU NEED TO. 
          I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU GUYS IS AWARE THAT COMING UP ON JULY 1ST,
TEXAS FOOD LAWS ARE GOING TO CHANGE. 
          HOUSE BILL 2844 IS GOING TO TAKE EFFECT. PERMITTING IS GOING TO BE STATEWIDE,
AND I AM GOING TO WORK WITH EVERY SINGLE CHURCH AND EVERY SINGLE NONPROFIT TO GET THEM ALL FOOD PUSH TRAILERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE LICENSED IN THIS CITY SO THEY CAN HAND OUT
FOOD TO ALL THE PEOPLE THEY WANT, SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN ALL SEE HOW FOOLISH YOU'VE BEEN. 
          INSTEAD OF RESPONDING AND UPDATING THE LAWS LIKE YOU NEEDED TO. 
          YOU'VE TRIED TO BULLY ME. YOU'VE HAD CODE ENFORCEMENT HARASS ME. 
          EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU HAS IGNORED MY EMAILS. 
          SOME OF YOU HAVE WORKED TO HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT HAVE A MEETING WITH ME,
ONLY TO THEN HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT IGNORE ME. 
          THAT'S FINE. I'M NOT GOING AWAY. I'M GOING TO KEEP TAKING BONG RIPS. 
          I'M GOING TO KEEP BEATING YOUR VERY, VERY POORLY TRAINED CITY ATTORNEYS IN COURT. 
          I'M GOING TO KEEP WASTING THIS CITY'S MONEY AND TIME BECAUSE YOU GUYS REFUSE TO DO YOUR
JOB. 
          HOUSE BILL 2844 COMES INTO EFFECT JULY 1ST. THE CITY NEEDS TO UPDATE ITS ORDINANCES BEFORE
THEN. 
          THIS IS NOT UNDER ANY. I'M NOT MAKING THIS UP. 
          YOU CAN GO LOOK IT UP YOURSELVES. IT'S READILY AVAILABLE INFORMATION. 
          THIS IS REALLY PATHETIC THAT I'M HAVING TO COME HERE AND BRAG ABOUT BEATING YOUR ATTORNEYS
IN COURT SO MANY TIMES. 
          AGAIN, BONG RIP, FILE THE MOTION AND GO. IF WE CAN'T GET BETTER CITY ATTORNEYS,
CAN WE AT LEAST GET BETTER LAWS, PLEASE? THANK YOU. MELANIE VANLANDINGHAM. 
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GOOD MORNING, MELANIE VANLANDINGHAM. REGARDING CITY HALL,
LET'S TALK SECRECY, LACK OF INFORMATION AND TRANSPARENCY, GROSS FAILURE OF FIDUCIARY DUTIES, INFO WITHHELD. 
          MAKES YOUR DECISION MAKING ONE SIDED AND FOCUSED ON ISSUES ALREADY RESOLVED OR NEVER
EXISTED. 
          REALITY IS EMERGING EXTENSIVE IN WITHHELD. INFO ABOUT PROCUREMENT,
EXPANDED SCOPE CITY MANAGER DIRECTIVES TO A SUPPOSED INDEPENDENT EFFORT AND EDC COSTS DETAILS WITHHELD DELIBERATELY FROM YOU DESPITE
DIRECT REQUESTS FROM SOME OF YOU. 
          DESPITE MCMAHON'S ATTEMPTS, EDC CAN'T HIDE FROM DISCLOSURE EDC IS NOT A PRIVATE ENTITY. 
          ITS INFORMATION ISN'T CONFIDENTIAL. IT WAS CREATED BY THE CITY,
FUNDED BY CITY ACTION FOR THE CITY, AND REQUIRED TO DISCLOSE THEIR INFORMATION. AND COUNCIL AND DALLAS CITIZENS HAVE A RIGHT
TO SEE EVERY DETAIL. 
          HOW ABOUT THE MADE UP ASBESTOS ABATEMENT ADDED TO THE SCOPE TO RAISE BOTTOM LINE COSTS? BUT MULTIPLE ABATEMENT PROJECTS ALREADY ARE COMPLETED,
LEAVING ONLY A FEW REMAINING. 
          NO ONE NEEDS TO LEAVE THE BUILDING. LIES TO MISDIRECT YOU. 
          HOW ABOUT FALSE COSTS EXCEEDING $50 MILLION FOR GARAGE REPAIRS? UTILITIES THAT ARE NOT EMBEDDED IN CONCRETE SYSTEMS NOT ACTUALLY NEEDING REPLACEMENT. 
          YOU HAVEN'T BEEN GIVEN THE TIME TO ASK HARD QUESTIONS TO DIG DEEP. 
          A TRANSPARENT PROCESS WOULD HAVE ALLOWED YOU TIME TO FULLY UNDERSTAND AND GET INFO INPUT
FROM FOR YOU AND YOUR PUBLIC. 
          BUT LAST NOVEMBER, YOU WERE LED TO VOTE AGAINST ALLOWING AN INDEPENDENT CITIZEN INPUT. 
          ARE YOU STILL IGNORING THOSE EXPERTS? THIS IS DELIBERATE SECRECY REGARDING $1 BILLION A
PRIVATE WITH BEHIND THE DOORS PROCESS NOT REVEALED. NOT QUESTIONED. YOU EITHER KNOW IT'S BEEN HIDDEN OR YOU'RE NOT BEEN
PROVIDED THE INFORMATION TO MEET YOUR FIDUCIARY DUTY. 
          YOU ARE STILL OBLIGATED TO, AS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS APPROVING THE FINANCE COMMITTEE'S
RECOMMENDATION TODAY IS A BILL YOU CANNOT UNRING. 
          IF YOU VOTE TO MOVE, NO ONE WILL SEE POTENTIAL OPTIONS AND BENEFITS THAT COULD HAVE SAVED
$1 BILLION. 
          CHANCES FOR NEW IDEAS ON HOW TO STAY END FOREVER. 
          DEMO CAN'T BE REVERSED. INCREASED TAXES FOR RENTS WILL BE FOREVER. 
          YOUR CONSTITUENTS WANT THE TRUTH? WHO ARE YOU WORKING FOR? TABLE THIS VOTE TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU,
JIM ANDERSON. 
          JIM ANDERSON 4706 SWISS AVENUE DALLAS. I'M AN URBAN PLANNER. 
          I WAS DALLAS HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLANNER FOR 26 YEARS STARTING IN 2000. 
          IN 1984 I STARTED AT CITY HALL WHEN IT WAS SIX YEARS OLD. 
          IT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING BEING HERE VERY EARLY ON. 
          I TAKE THIS VERY PERSONAL, BUT THIS IS THIS IS MY CITY HALL. 
          I LOVE IT VERY MUCH. THERE ARE TWO BIG PLANNING ISSUES. 
          AS A PLANNER, I SEE THESE THINGS. NO OTHER SITES WERE EVEN CONSIDERED FOR THE MAVERICK
STADIUM, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S HUGE VACANCIES ALL OVER THE SOUTHERN HALF OF THE CITY. 
          FOR SOME REASON, THIS WAS THE ONLY SITE THAT WAS CONSIDERED,
AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY OTHER SITES WERE NOT EVEN CONSIDERED FOR THIS. 
          ALSO, CITY HALL WAS NOT PART OF THE CONVENTION CENTER MASTER PLAN IN 2021. 
          ALL OF A SUDDEN, WHEN THE MAVS SHOW AN INTEREST IN THE PROJECT,
THIS BECOMES A KEY COMPONENT OF THE CONVENTION CENTER. 
          WHEN IN 2021, CITY HALL WAS NOT EVEN ON THE RADAR. 
          THIS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST BOONDOGGLES IN DALLAS HISTORY. 
          HISTORY WILL NOT BE KIND TO THE PEOPLE IN THIS HORSESHOE IN FRONT OF ME. 
          DALLAS WILL BECOME AN INTERNATIONAL LAUGHINGSTOCK,
AND IT WILL BE YOUR FAULT IF THIS BUILDING COMES DOWN WITHOUT PROPER PLANNING AND PROPER INFORMATION. YOU NEED TO OWN UP TO THE FACT THAT YOU HASTILY THREW THIS BUILDING AWAY. 
          MY CITY HALL, THEIR CITY HALL, OUR BUILDING. YOU THREW IT AWAY WITHOUT ANY PLANNING? WITHOUT ANY, I DON'T KNOW. WE NEED TO CONSIDER OTHER SITES FOR THIS. 
          THIS MAVERICK STADIUM. THE MAVERICKS CAN STAY IN DALLAS IN DOWNTOWN AND SAVE THIS
BUILDING. 
          IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ONE OR THE OTHER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. 
          JOHN SIMS. JOHN SIMS. 
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MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS JOHN SIMS. I'M HERE TO REPRESENT THE CIVIL LIBERTY LEAGUE. 
          AND LET YOU KNOW THAT TITLE TWO OF THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT HAS BEEN BINDING ON
THE CITY SINCE JULY 26TH, 1992. IT IS NOT ASPIRATIONAL. IT IS NOT OPTIONAL. 
          IT IS A STATUTORY OBLIGATION WHEN THE COUNCIL HAS FAILED TO MEET FOR 33 YEARS. 
          DURING THAT TIME, THE COUNCIL HAS APPROVED TAX INCREMENT FINANCING DISTRICTS,
CONVENTION CENTER EXPANSION, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, LUXURY STREETSCAPING PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS AND IS
NOW CONSIDERING A NEW CITY HALL. 
          THESE ARE CHOICES THIS COUNCIL HAS MADE FREELY WITH FULL BUDGET AUTHORITY. 
          WHAT THIS COUNCIL COULD NOT PRIORITIZE FOR 33 YEARS WAS THE LEGAL OBLIGATION TO ENSURE
THAT RESIDENTS USING A WHEELCHAIR CAN GET FROM THEIR FRONT DOOR TO A BUS STOP, OR A POLLING LOCATION, THAT A PERSON WITH A VISUAL IMPAIRMENT CAN NAVIGATE A CROSSWALK
SAFELY. 
          THAT THE BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE OF THIS CITY IS ACCESSIBLE TO EVERY RESIDENT. 
          IT SERVES. YOUR OWN SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN DOCUMENTS THE BACKLOG. 
          THE 311 CALLS ON RECORD. THE GRIEVANCES HAVE BEEN FILED,
THE ADVOCATES HAVE STOOD AT THIS PODIUM, AND EACH YEAR THIS COUNCIL LOOKED AT ALL OF THAT AND FUNDED SOMETHING ELSE. 
          NEW DEVELOPMENT RECEIVES PRIORITY. THE STATUTORY RIGHTS OF DISABLED RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY
DO NOT. 
          THIS IS NOT A RESOURCE PROBLEM. CITIES FAR SMALLER THAN DALLAS HAVE MET THEIR OBLIGATIONS. 
          THIS IS A PRIORITIES PROBLEM, AND THE RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY,
ALL OF THEM, DESERVE A COUNCIL WHOSE PRIORITIES INCLUDE THE LEGAL RIGHTS THAT WERE GUARANTEED IN 1992. WE ARE HERE TO HOLD YOU ALL TO THIS OBLIGATION. 
          I WANT TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT I'LL BE FILING A NOTICE OF INTENT TO SUE THE CITY OF
DALLAS FOR NONCOMPLIANCE WITH THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACTS, YOU SHOULD ALL HAVE IT IN YOUR EMAIL. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. JESSIE HOLMES. 
          HELLO, EVERYONE. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE REDEVELOPMENT OF CITY HALL. 
          MAYOR JOHNSON, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU. 
          MY NAME IS JESSE HOLMES. I LIVED IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS SINCE 1995. 
          THAT'S 31 YEARS. I'VE OWNED A BUSINESS SINCE 2001 AND A HOME DOWNTOWN SINCE 2010. 
          I'M ALSO PART OF A DEVELOPMENT GROUP THAT DEVELOPED 30 TO 40% OF THE OAK LAWN NEIGHBORHOOD
IN THE 90S AND 2000. 
          I'VE SEEN WHAT BOLD INVESTMENT DOES FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD,
AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T MAKE IT. THE DECISION YOU'RE MAKING TODAY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE THE COUNCIL WILL FACE IN A GENERATION WHERE WE STAND. 
          AT&T IS PULLING ROUGHLY 10,000 WORKERS OUT OF DOWNTOWN AND MOVING TO PLANO,
A PROJECTED 30% DROP IN PROPERTY VALUES, A $2.7 BILLION HIT TO OUR TAX BASE. AND NOW WE'RE TOLD THE COST WAS 906 MILLION TO 1.4
BILLION OVER 20 YEARS. 
          TO KEEP A BUILDING, THE CITY'S OWN CONSULTANTS DON'T RECOMMEND RENOVATING IN PLACE VACATED
FOR FIVE YEARS WHILE THAT WORK IS DONE. 
          I RESPECT WHAT I AM BUILT, BUT POURING $1 BILLION INTO A STRUCTURE THAT DOESN'T SERVE THE
CITY ANYMORE WHILE DOWNTOWN IS BLEEDING. 
          IF WE DON'T MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICE HERE, THIS BUILDING WILL JUST JOIN FOUNDERS GRAVEYARD
NEXT DOOR. 
          THINK BIGGER. THIS 11 ACRE SITE IS PRIME REAL ESTATE. 
          IMAGINE A WORLD CLASS MIXED USE DESTINATION,
A SEMI-UNDERGROUND ARENA AS THE ANCHOR WITH BUILDINGS RISING ABOVE IT, MODERN CITY HALL FACILITIES, A LUXURY HOTEL,
A GROCERY STORE WHICH WE DON'T HAVE, MEDICAL SERVICES, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, MID-TIER APARTMENTS. HIGH END CONDOS ON THE UPPER FLOORS. 
          PARKS, SHOPS, RESTAURANTS AND PUBLIC ART. CONNECTED TO THE SCHOOL BEING BUILT NEXT DOOR
THAT MY SON ATTENDS. 
          WE'VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD BEFORE. DALLAS SAID NO TO THE COWBOY STADIUM TWICE. 
          ARLINGTON SAID YES. THE STADIUM NOW DRAWS 16 MILLION VISITORS A YEAR,
GENERATES 55 MILLION IN ANNUAL TAX REVENUE, AND ARLINGTON PAID THAT OFF IN TEN YEARS. THEY'RE HOSTING THE WORLD CUP MATCHES THIS
SUMMER. 
          THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DALLAS. LET'S NOT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE TWICE. 
          THREE TIMES. ACTUALLY. A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS GENERATES REVENUE,
Y'ALL. 
          STREET, GOLDMAN SACHS, UBS SOCIAL BANK IS ALL GOING TO UPTOWN,
NOT DOWNTOWN, BECAUSE DOWNTOWN IS DECLINING. 
          A BOLD REDEVELOPMENT HERE COMBINED WITH $3.7 BILLION CONVENTION CENTER,
THE I-30 DECK PARK RECONNECTING US TO THE CEDARS THAT CHANGES THE TRAJECTORY AND BRINGS GROWTH BACK INTO THE CORE. THIS IS DALLAS, TEXAS. 
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WE NEED SOMETHING DALLAS BIG. AND HERE WE'RE SPENDING $3.7 BILLION ON A CONVENTION CENTER
WITH 75 CONVENTIONS ALREADY BOOKED. 
          BUT WHAT GOOD IS THAT IF DOWNTOWN AROUND IT IS DEAD? WE ALREADY HAVE A 27% VACANCY RATE, SECOND WORST IN THE COUNTRY. 
          EMPTY BUILDINGS KILL FOOT TRAFFIC. THEY KILL BUSINESSES. 
          WHICH I OWN ONE OF THEM. AND THAT DRAWS BLIGHT. 
          JUST LOOK AT SAN FRANCISCO. WE DON'T WANT TO FOLLOW THEIR PLAYBOOK. 
          THE MOST SIGNIFICANT DECISION FOR DOWNTOWN SINCE THE PEDESTRIAN TUNNELS. 
          THIS IS THE MOST TIME WHICH MAYOR MILLER CALLED THE WORST PLANNING DECISION DALLAS EVER
MADE. 
          PLEASE CONSIDER WHAT I'VE SAID. THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. THIS CONCLUDES YOUR FIRST FIVE REGISTERED SPEAKERS. 
          THE REMAINING SPEAKERS WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE AT THE
CONCLUSION OF ITS CITY BUSINESS. 
          MR. MAYOR, READY TO MOVE YOUR VOTING AGENDA? MAYOR,
I'D LIKE TO SUSPEND THE RULES AND HEAR ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS. 
          SECOND OBJECTION. IS THERE ANY OBJECTION? HEARING NONE SO ORDERED. 
          WE'LL HEAR ALL. ALL THE REST. ALL THE REST. THANK YOU,
MR. MAYOR. YOUR NEXT SPEAKER AT AT ZARA. ZARA. IS NOT PRESENT. 
          DARWIN PAYNE. OH, AND ZARA. EDITOR. ZARA. 
          GOOD MORNING. EDITOR. ZARA. $1 BILLION PRICE TAG. 
          WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER. 
          EXCEPT AT CITY HALL, WE'VE BEEN SHELL SHOCKED BY THE IDC'S REPORT ESTIMATING CITY HALL
REPAIRS COULD EXCEED 1 BILLION OVER 20 YEARS. 
          THE CONSULTANTS BASED IT ON THE BUILDING BEING STRUCTURALLY AGING,
WITH ALL INFRASTRUCTURE SYSTEMS OPERATING BEYOND THEIR USEFUL ESTIMATED LIFESPAN. 
          BUT WAIT, BEFORE YOU BRING IN THE BULLDOZERS,
THE CONSULTANTS FORGOT TO COMPARE THE EU FOR ALL OTHER DOWNTOWN 400 ZERO ZERO ZERO SQUARE FOOT CANDIDATES, WHICH SHOW THEY TOO ARE PAST THEIR LIFESPAN. 
          ACCORDING TO THE CPIA ESTIMATED COMMERCIAL BUILDING SYSTEMS USEFUL LIFE CHART. 
          RENAISSANCE TOWER, 717 NORTH HARWOOD THANKSGIVING TOWER,
AT&T, FOUNDERS SQUARE, BANK OF AMERICA, COMERICA BANK TOWER, CHASE TOWER, ETC. ALL HAVE AN INFRASTRUCTURE OPERATING BEYOND THEIR
USEFUL LIFESPAN. 
          THE CLAIM THAT CITY HALL'S END OF ITS USE IS A REASON TO MOVE TO ONE OF THESE OTHER
BUILDINGS IS BASELESS. 
          THE GANDER OF ALL POTENTIAL BUILDINGS MUST PROVIDE THE SAME 20 YEAR CRITERIA. 
          COST ANALYSIS AND BUILDING CONDITION. CONDITION STATUS BEFORE A PRUDENT STAY OR RELOCATE
DECISION CAN BE MADE, ESPECIALLY WITH A TEN YEAR LEASE. AT $25 A SQUARE FOOT,
IT WILL COST THE TAXPAYERS $100 MILLION AND ALSO A $6 MILLION BROKER COMMISSION. THE BIG DIFFERENCE THAT THE BUILDING OWNERS HAVE IS THEY'VE
KEPT A PROACTIVE MAINTENANCE BUDGET, SOMETHING OUR LEADERSHIP HAS NOT DONE SINCE YOU KICKED THE CAN OF MAINTENANCE DOWN THE
ROAD. 
          THE OTHER ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM THEY FORGOT TO MENTION IS WHAT HAPPENS AT ONE OF THESE
OFFICE BUILDINGS WHEN THEY HAVE A LARGE SCALE GATHERING OR PROTEST. WHAT HAPPENS IF IT TURNS VIOLENT? WHAT IF IT DESTROYS FACADES,
CHOKES TRAFFIC, THREATENS THE SAFETY OF OTHER WORKERS, MAKES GUESTS AT ADJACENT BUILDINGS, VOWED NOT TO RETURN. 
          OFFICE LEASES ARE THEN CANCELED. LONG TIME RESIDENTS FLEE RESTAURANTS. 
          RETAILERS LEAVE, AND A TRUE DOOM LOOP ENGULFS DOWNTOWN LIKE A RUNAWAY TRAIN. 
          AT LEAST OUR BUNKER CITY HALL WAS PURPOSE BUILT TO WITHSTAND ANY CATASTROPHIC THREAT FOR
EVERY TYPE, WITHOUT AFFECTING OTHER BUILDINGS. SPEAKING OF BUNKER,
WHERE'S THE DESIGN BUILD COSTS FOR OUR NEW 311911 EMERGENCY SERVICES? AS AN OWNER MANAGER MARKETER WHO LIVES AND BREATHES REAL ESTATE,
NONE OF US WOULD TAKE FIVE YEARS TO RENOVATE A BUILDING. 
          WHY DO ALL BUREAUCRATS THINK THAT TIME DOES NOT EQUAL MONEY LIKE IT DOES IN THE PRIVATE
SECTOR? IT IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO ACTUAL SKIN IN THE GAME,
IS BECAUSE THEY ARE USING OUR TAXPAYERS MONEY LIKE IT'S MONOPOLY. 
          WHATEVER THE REASON, ALL 1,326,000 OWNERS OF CITY HALL MUST BE. 
          GIVEN THE CHANCE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE PEOPLE'S HOUSE. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DARWIN PAIN. 
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AND DARWIN PAIN. TEN FIVE, TEN LE MANS DRIVE HERE IN DALLAS. 
          MAYOR JOHNSON CITY MANAGER, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND OTHERS. 
          THANKS VERY MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS OUR HISTORICAL AND ACCLAIMED
CITY HALL. 
          I'M A RETIRED SMU COMMUNICATIONS PROFESSOR, LOVER OF DALLAS. 
          I WAS A DALLAS REPORTER WHO COVERED PUBLIC AFFAIRS,
CITY AFFAIRS WHEN OUR CITY HALL WAS CONCEIVED AND BUILT AT A CRITICAL TIME AFTER THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY. 
          LET'S REVIEW SOME OF THOSE FACTS, IF YOU'LL RECALL. 
          THE REASON FOR BUILDING IT WAS IMPORTANT PART OF OUR DETERMINATION TO SAVE OUR CITY FROM
BEING CALLED CITY OF HATE. TIME MAGAZINE DESCRIBED US, EVEN BEFORE THE ASSASSINATION,
AS A CITY DISGRACED. ABC'S EDWARD P MORGAN BROADCAST TO ALL THAT BIG D STANDS FOR DISGRACE. 
          CHRISTIAN CENTRISTS THOUGHTFUL MAGAZINE DECLARED THAT THE DALLAS IMAGE HAD BEEN UNVEILED
IN OUR URGE TO REGAIN A SHRED OF RESPECTABILITY. WE APPOINTED A NEW MAYOR WITH YOUR NAME,
MAYOR JOHNSON. 
          AS YOU KNOW, A MAN WHO WOULD LEAD THE CITY FOR THE NEXT YEARS TO BEGIN THIS VERY HARD WORK
AND LONG PROJECT OF RECLAIMING OUR REPUTATION. JOHNSON, INCLUDING CITY MANAGER ELGIN CROWELL AND OTHERS, TOOK THEM ON A STUDY TRIP TO DENMARK AND SWEDEN TO LEARN HOW THEY HAD DEVELOPED
THEIR EXCELLENT CIVIC OPERATIONS. HE ORGANIZED A A. A LONGTIME CITIZEN STUDY PROGRAM ENTITLED GOALS FOR DALLAS. AND THREE PUBLICATIONS. 
          OR MORE. I THINK YOU HAVE THEM ALL. AND I DIDN'T SHOW YOU THIS PICTURE OF YOUR
PREDECESSOR, ERIC JOHNSON, WHICH MAY BE I'VE SEEN. WELL JOHNSON ORGANIZED AND LED THIS LONG TIME GOALS FOR DALLAS PROGRAM,
WHICH INCLUDED, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN OUR HISTORY, CITIZENS FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE, BLACK, BROWN,
WHATEVER TO ESTABLISH OUR GOALS. 
          THE THREE VOLUMES YOU'VE SEEN. THAT'S YOUR TIME OUT OF OUT OF TIME. 
          YES. YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED. THANK YOU. OKAY. KAREN MUNCIE. 
          KAREN MUNCIE IS NOT PRESENT. KATHLEEN. AISLING ISLEY. 
          GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS KATHLEEN. AISLING AND I LIVE AT ONE ONE,
TWO, TWO JACKSON STREET, RIGHT OVER THERE. I WORKED IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS MOST YEARS SINCE 1988,
AND HAVE OWNED AND LIVED IN MY LOFT TWO BLOCKS AWAY FROM HERE FOR ALMOST 16 YEARS, WITH SIX YEARS IN THE CEDARS. BEFORE THAT, I WOULD BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY ANY DEMOLITION
OR CONSTRUCTION ON THE CITY HALL PROPERTY TO ME. 
          DALLAS GOVERNMENT TALKS OUT OF BOTH SIDES OF ITS MOUTH ABOUT WANTING DOWNTOWN TO BE LIVE,
WORK, PLAY. THERE'S A HUGE EMPHASIS ON THE PLAY AND REVENUE,
BUT THE CONDITIONS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE AND PAY IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT TAXES AREN'T ALWAYS CONSIDERED. WHEN THE TIME COMES, MY NEIGHBORS AND I CAN FIERCELY STATE HOW
UNLIVABLE THIS PART OF TOWN WOULD BECOME IF YOU SQUISHED IN AN UNNEEDED SPORTS ARENA WHERE CITY HALL STANDS. BUT THAT'S NOT THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW. 
          THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IS PROCESS. I ATTENDED THE COMMITTEE BRIEFING ON MONDAY,
AND IT WAS CLEAR MEMBERS STILL DIDN'T KNOW WHAT EXACTLY THE RESOLUTION LATER THAT WOULD BE VOTED ON WOULD YIELD. THEY GOT A LOT OF CIRCUITOUS,
NON DETAILED RESPONSES FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. 
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I'M A MASTER'S DEGREE CIVIL ENGINEER AND A TRAINED PROJECT MANAGER,
AND I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT THE REASONING BEHIND BENEFIT NOR EXACT DELIVERABLES OF THAT RESOLUTION. THAT'S TAKING A VOTE LATER. IT'S HARD,
SEVERAL COUNCIL PEOPLE LAMENTED WHILE THANKING US FOR UNDERSTANDING. 
          WELL, HERE'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND. YOU DON'T HAVE MUCH DATA. 
          YOU HAVE A CONTROVERSIAL AND SEEMINGLY INCOMPLETE FINANCIAL STUDY THAT I'M HERE TO LEARN
ABOUT TODAY. 
          AND YOU HAVE NO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ABOUT HOW TO DEVELOP DOWNTOWN FOR ITS BEST USE WITH
CITY HALL STANDING OR DEMOLISHED. 
          ADD IN A VERY COMPRESSED TIME FRAME ON THIS TOPIC. 
          AND YES, THIS IS HARD, BUT HERE'S HOW TO MAKE IT EASY. 
          GET MORE DATA. PUT EVERYTHING IN THE OPEN AND AND DEBATE WITH THE PUBLIC,
AND EVERYBODY WILL BE HAVING A MORE PALATABLE AND UNDERSTANDABLE PROCESS. CONNECTING THE CONCEPT OF GATHERING IDEAS ON WHAT TO DO WITH CITY
HALL'S FOOTPRINT, TO RESEARCHING RENTS FOR MOVING SELECT APARTMENTS OUT OF CITY HALL. 
          SURE SOUNDS LIKE THE CITY IS CONCEALING SOMETHING,
AND MOST CERTAINLY LIKE TACIT APPROVAL OF THE BUILDING'S DESTRUCTION WITHOUT ANY PUBLIC INPUT. I IMPLORE YOU TO SLOW DOWN AND NOT APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION,
NOR MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY STUDIES OF WHAT TO DO WITH CITY DEPARTMENTS OR CITY HALL. 
          BEFORE YOU DRAFT A PLAN FOR DOWNTOWN, HOLD PUBLIC MEETINGS TO SEE WHAT THE COMMUNITY
THINKS AND GATHER MORE DATA, PLUS VET THE DATA YOU ALREADY HAVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. I WILL GO BACK TO KAREN MUNCIE. MISS MUNCIE IS VIRTUAL. 
          KAREN MUNCIE. 
          MISS MUNCIE. YOUR AUDIO IS NOT. WE CANNOT HEAR YOU. 
          MISS MUNCIE. MISS. MISS MUNCIE, CAN YOU HEAR ME? IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, YOUR AUDIO IS. WE CANNOT HEAR YOU. 
          OKAY. WE'LL COME BACK TO MISS MUNCIE. TERRY RATH. 
          GOOD DAY. MY NAME IS TERRY RATH. I LIVE AT 1518 ABRAMS. FOR OVER 20 YEARS, I'VE LIVED IN A HOME ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES. 
          IT'S OVER 100 YEARS OLD, SO I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SAVING AND PRESERVING OLD BUILDINGS. 
          PLEASED TO SEE THAT OUR MAYOR IS ABLE TO ATTEND TODAY. 
          AND I HOPE YOU GOT TO REVIEW SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM MONDAY'S MEETING,
BECAUSE THIS MIGHT BE THE LAST CHANCE TO EXPRESS OUR FEELINGS ABOUT THE PROPOSED SALE AND DEMO OF CITY HALL. THE EXPERTS HAVE TESTIFIED TO THE QUESTIONABLE BILLION DOLLAR ESTIMATE
FOR REPAIRS, WHICH SEEMS TO BE CONCOCTED OUT OF THIN AIR. THE 20 YEAR PROJECTIONS TO ACHIEVE THESE
GIANT TOTALS ARE INTERESTING. 
          SOMEONE IS ABLE TO PROVIDE FIGURES FOR 20 YEARS IN THE FUTURE,
BUT THEY CAN'T EXPLAIN THEIR ESTIMATES FOR TODAY, OR WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR OVERSEEING UPKEEP AND REPAIRS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DONE TO CITY
HALL. 
          CITY HALL IS NOT JUST A PIECE OF PROPERTY OWNED BY THE CITY. 
          IT'S OWNED BY US. IT IS THE BEATING HEART OF OUR TOWN RECOGNIZED WORLDWIDE. 
          HAVE YOU EVER TAKEN INTERNATIONAL VISITORS TO GO LOOK AT THE AT&T BUILDING? I HAVEN'T, BUT THEY ALL WANT TO SEE CITY HALL. 
          IT ALLOWS FOR PUBLIC GATHERINGS AND PROTEST,
AND THE RUSH JOB TO TEAR IT DOWN MAKES ME VERY SUSPICIOUS IN THESE DAYS OF GOVERNMENT CONSTRUCTION. DOES ANYONE THINK OF THE EAST WING OF THE WHITE HOUSE ONCE THEY GO DOWN,
THERE'S NO GOING BACK. 
          WITHOUT CITY HALL, THE PUBLIC PROTEST IN A BLUE CITY WOULD HAVE NO COMMON PUBLIC SPACE IN
WHICH TO GATHER ANYMORE. 
          OUR CITY HALL IS ABOUT PUBLIC BUSINESS, NOT AN ENTERTAINMENT VENUE. 
          I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY IT HAS TO BE LINKED TO TO THE CONVENTION CENTER,
BECAUSE THIS IS ABOUT THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY. 
          WHAT BUSINESS DOES BEST SCATTERED OVER MULTIPLE LOCATIONS. 
          I'VE NEVER KNOWN ANY CORPORATE ENTITY TO SAY THAT THAT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO RUN A
BUSINESS. 
          WHAT EXACTLY IS ENVISIONED FOR THE ENTERTAINMENT COMPLEX OTHER THAN RUMORS OF ANOTHER
ARENA AND POSSIBLY A CASINO? 
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WHAT'S GOING TO BRING ALL OF THE CROWDS TO YOUR NEW CENTER? AND WHY HAVEN'T YOU APPLIED THOSE SAME STRATEGIES AND TECHNIQUES TO SALVAGE ARK? I THINK AS SOON AS THEY QUIT HAVING GAMES AT ARK,
THAT PLAZA WILL BE THE NEXT ONE TO BE BULLDOZED BECAUSE THEY CAN'T KEEP IT FULL. 
          FOR 25 YEARS, THEY'VE STRUGGLED AFTER OBLITERATING LITTLE MEXICO TO ESTABLISH THE ARK. 
          THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A STRUGGLE IN THAT LOCATION. 
          ARENAS ONLY BRING TEMPORARY GROWTH, AND USUALLY IT'S BEERS AND BURGERS. 
          THAT'S YOUR TIME. DO NOT VOTE TO SACRIFICE OUR ICONIC CITY HALL. 
          THANK YOU, THANK YOU. COOKIE. AND NOW. 
          COOKIE. PEYTON. EXCUSE ME. I LIVE AT 7111 DEBBIE DRIVE,
DALLAS, TEXAS. 
          75252. I'M JUST AN ORDINARY TAXPAYER AND A LIFELONG DALLAS RESIDENT. 
          I GREW UP IN PLEASANT GROVE. I LIVED IN LAKE HIGHLANDS. 
          I NOW LIVE IN NORTH DALLAS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE MY JOB TOOK ME. 
          I HAVE DEEP FRIENDSHIPS WITH PEOPLE IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR AND IN OAK CLIFF,
AND I STILL SPEND A LOT OF TIME DOWN THERE. 
          ALL THAT'S JUST TO SAY, I HAVE A DEEP REVERENCE FOR THIS CITY. 
          IT'S MY HOMETOWN, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE ENTIRE CITY OF DALLAS,
NOT JUST MY DISTRICT. 
          I EXPECT EVERY ONE OF YOU TO BE A GOOD STEWARD OF MY TAX DOLLARS. 
          I WORKED HARD TO EARN THAT MONEY. I START TO QUESTION THE FINANCIAL VIABILITY OF OUR CITY. 
          WHEN I LOOK AT NUMBERS THAT SEEM TO BE COMING OUT OF NOWHERE. 
          WE ARE CASH STRAPPED, AND YET WE'RE CHALLENGED TO MEET OUR COMMITMENTS TO OUR FIRST
RESPONDERS AND TO OUR CITY EMPLOYEES. 
          WE HAVE EXHAUSTED OUR DEBT LIMIT. WE HAVE THE HIGHEST TAX RATE OF ANY OF THE OTHER LARGE
CITIES WITHIN THE STATE OF TEXAS. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT CLOSING FOUR LIBRARIES THAT SERVE AS CRITICAL TECHNICAL REPOSITORIES FOR
OUR CHILDREN THAT ARE UNDERSERVED, NOT JUST AS REPOSITORIES FOR BOOKS. WE'VE WE'VE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ON ALL OF THE
PROPERTIES IN OUR REAL ESTATE PORTFOLIO. 
          AND YET, HERE WE ARE. WE'RE LOOKING AT SPENDING $250 MILLION TO CREATE OR RENT A CALL
CENTER FOR 911 AND 311 OPERATIONS. WHEN WE HAVE EXISTING FUNCTIONALITY HERE IN THIS BUILDING,
WE'RE COMMITTING YET ANOTHER UNQUANTIFIED AMOUNT OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO LOOK AT A VACANT VACATING A BUILDING THAT'S ALREADY PAID FOR,
AND MOVING INTO A LONG TERM LEASE OBLIGATION THAT HAS NO TERMINATION DATE. THAT'S IRRESPONSIBLE FISCAL MANAGEMENT. 
          MY QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE WE DOING? MY 100 YEAR OLD CHURCH AT THE CORNER OF ROSS AND
HARWOOD, COULD NOT GET A BUILDING PERMIT TO PUT IN A GREEN SPACE FOR OUR DAYCARE CENTER. 
          YET HERE WE ARE RUSHING. THAT WAS BECAUSE OF TIME. 
          IT TOOK TOO LONG TO GET THE PERMIT AND OUR FUNDING SIMPLY WENT AWAY. 
          YET HERE WE ARE, RUSHING HEADLONG INTO FINANCIAL COMMITMENTS TO FUND A RUSHED DECISION PUT
BEFORE ALL OF YOU. 
          IT IS TIME TO STEP BACK, TAKE TIME, GET ALL OF THE NUMBERS AND MAKE A A GOOD FINANCIAL
DECISION FOR THIS CITY MOVING FORWARD. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. MISS MUNCY'S. 
          AUDIO IS WORKING NOW. KAREN MUNCY. WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE DELAY. 
          KAREN MUNCY I LIVE IN COUNCIL DISTRICT NINE. IF YOU EVER WANTED DALLAS TO BE THOUGHT OF AS
A WORLD CLASS CITY, YOU ARE PUTTING ALL THE NAILS IN THAT COFFIN BY SELLING OUR CITY HALL FOR BASKETBALL. 
          IF YOU WANT TO BE IN THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS,
RESIGN YOUR COUNCIL SEAT AND GET A LICENSE. 
          CITY HALL IS FOR ALL THE PEOPLE YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR. 
          ALL THE PEOPLE. PLEASE DO YOUR JOB FOR DALLAS CITIZENS AND ITS HISTORY. 
          KEEP OUR CITY HALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. TERESA OR TERESA ROCKWELL. 
          TERESA ROCKWELL IS NOT PRESENT. MARTIN MEDINA. 
          HELLO. GOOD MORNING. CITY MAYOR. MANAGER. COUNCIL. 
          MY NAME IS MARTIN MEDINA. I LIVE IN 300 COMMERCE STREET,
DALLAS, TEXAS. 
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DISTRICT TWO AS OF LAST MONTH. DISTRICT NINE. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK, YOUR LEADERSHIP, AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE
THAT YOU ALL REPRESENT. 
          I HAVE BEEN A DALLAS RESIDENT FOR OVER 12 YEARS. 
          I WAS NOT BORN HERE. I DID NOT GROW UP HERE. I CHOSE TO COME HERE BECAUSE OF,
I BELIEVE THAT THIS WAS A CITY OF OPPORTUNITY, A PLACE WHERE YOU COULD BUILD AND BE PART OF SOMETHING MEANINGFUL. 
          WHAT DREW ME HERE WAS NOT THE SKYLINE AND THE SPORTS TEAMS OR THE ENTERTAINMENT,
BUT IT WAS THE FEELING THAT DALLAS HAD MOMENTUM, AMBITION AND GROWTH, BUT ALSO ROOTS. LIKE ALL GREAT CITIES,
HE HAD SPIED ON ITS CIVIC LIFE AND ITS HISTORY. 
          HE FELT LIKE A CITY THAT HAS LEARNED FROM DIFFICULT MOMENTS AND HELPED SHAPE ITSELF TO
BECOME STRONGER. 
          THAT'S WHY THIS CONVERSATION MATTERS. AN OPEN AND TRANSPARENT CONVERSATION. 
          THERE HAS BEEN MANY REASONS SHARED ABOUT WHY DALLAS CITY HALL IS IMPORTANT,
AND I AGREE WITH THEM. 
          IT'S NOT JUST CONCRETE AND ARCHITECTURE. IT REPRESENTS THE IDEA THAT THE CITY BELONGS TO
ITS PEOPLE, INCLUDING THOSE OF US WHO CHOSE TO INVEST OUR LIVES IN HERE. 
          I SUPPORT GROWTH, I SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE BUILDING,
IT'S ABOUT THE PUBLIC REALM, THE SPACES IN BETWEEN, THE PLACES WHERE CIVIC LIFE HAPPENS,
WHERE PEOPLE GATHER AND WHERE EVERYONE SHOULD FEEL WELCOME AND SAFE. 
          EVERY CITY NEEDS A HOME. THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS HAVE A HOUSE,
THE PEOPLE'S HOUSE. 
          IT SHOULD REMIND EVERYONE THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS ACCESSIBLE TO ALL,
NOT JUST A FEW. 
          WE ARE NOT AGAINST A THRIVING DOWNTOWN. MAJOR COMMITMENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE. LIKE THE
CONVENTION CENTER REDEVELOPMENT, DALLAS HAS NEVER BEEN AFRAID OF BIG, BOLD IDEAS. BUT BOLD VISION SHOULD NOT MEAN LOSING SIGHT OF WHAT ANCHORS US. 
          THERE IS ROOM FOR DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT REPLACING CITY HALL,
SO WHY NOT INTEGRATE IT, IMPROVE IT, BUILD INSTEAD OF WITH IT, INSTEAD OF AGAINST IT? WE MUST ASK, WHO BENEFITS FROM IT? WHO IS IT? A BUILDING TRULY UNSAFE. ARE THE RENOVATIONS COST TRULY OVER $1 BILLION? WHAT WILL RELOCATION COST TAXPAYERS? WHAT OTHER USES CAN WE HAVE FOR THE BUILDING IF IT
TRULY CANNOT SUPPORT CITY HALL USES? WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT BEING FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE WITH TAXPAYERS MONEY,
AND IF A CASINO IS PART OF THE CONVERSATION, WHAT ARE THE LONG TERM IMPACTS THAT THIS COULD BRING? NOT ONLY THE SWANN BENEFITS FROM IT. 
          BEFORE ANY IRREVERSIBLE DECISION IS MADE, PLEASE ENSURE THAT THERE'S FULL TRANSPARENCY AND
MEANINGFUL PUBLIC INPUT. 
          THIS IS NOT AS EASY. UNDO AND TRY AGAIN. PRIORITIZE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC SUSTAINABILITY
OVER JUST ECONOMIC GROWTH. 
          WELL-BEING FOR ALL THE QUALITY OF GROWTH MATTERS,
ECONOMIC GROWTH CAN MAKE HEALTHY AND COHESIVE SOCIETIES OR CAN DESTROY BONDS THAT KEEP PEOPLE TOGETHER. CITIES GROW AND EVOLVE, AND THEY SHOULD. 
          BUT GROWTH SHOULD STRENGTHEN CIVIC IDENTITY,
NOT DISPLACE IT. 
          DALLAS GAVE MANY, MANY OF US A CHANCE. LET'S NOT LOSE THE CIVIC FOUNDATION THAT MADE THAT
POSSIBLE FOR EVERYONE, NOT JUST A FEW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SANA SAEED. 
          GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'M HERE AS A DALLAS CITY HALL ALUM,
A DOWNTOWN RESIDENT, BUSINESS OWNER AND PRESIDENT OF THE DALLAS FARMERS MARKET STAKEHOLDERS ASSOCIATION. 
          I BELIEVE IT IS TIME FOR DALLAS TO TURN THE PAGE AND EXPLORE A NEW FUTURE FOR CITY HALL. 
          NO ONE DISPUTES THAT THIS I.M. PEI BUILDING IS ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT,
BUT HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE ALONE CANNOT DRIVE PUBLIC INVESTMENT. 
          WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING FIGURES AS HIGH AS $1 BILLION AFTER DECADES OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, THIS IS NOT AN ESTHETIC DEBATE. IT'S A GENERATIONAL COMMITMENT. 
          AT A TIME WHEN RESIDENTS EXPECT PROGRESS ON INFRASTRUCTURE,
PUBLIC SAFETY, HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AND CORE SERVICES. 
          WE CAN HONOR HISTORY WHILE STILL MAKING A FUTURE FACING DECISION. 
          THIS CURRENT CAMPUS FUNCTIONS LARGELY AS A SINGLE USE GOVERNMENT COMPLEX,
AND DOES NOT CONSISTENTLY ACTIVATE THE STREET OR CATALYZE SURROUNDING INVESTMENT IN A DOWNTOWN THAT DEPENDS ON WALKABILITY,
MIXED USE ENERGY, AND ACTIVITY THAT MATTERS. 
          DALLAS IS THE URBAN CORE OF THIS REGION, BUT THAT POSITION IS NOT AUTOMATIC. 
          IT'S MAINTAINED THROUGH STRATEGIC INVESTMENT AND LONG TERM VISION. 
          DOWNTOWN DALLAS IS THE ECONOMIC HEART OF THE CITY,
AND DECISIONS HERE AFFECT OUR COMPETITIVENESS REGION WIDE. 
          I RESPECT PRESERVATION, DALLAS, AIA AND NEIGHBORS WHO SEE THIS DIFFERENTLY. 
          I HAVE FRIENDS WHO SEE THIS DIFFERENTLY, BUT RESIDENTS CLOSEST TO THIS FOOTPRINT ALSO
DESERVE TO BE HEARD. 
          OUR CITY DESERVES TO CONTINUE THE EVALUATION WITH THE UNDERLYING FINANCIAL ASSUMPTIONS
PUBLICLY RELEASED, 
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SO THAT THERE'S FULL TRANSPARENCY ON THE FULL LIFE CYCLE COSTS ACROSS ALL OPTIONS. 
          IF IF THE FACTS SHOW THAT RELOCATION AND ADAPTIVE REUSE IS THE MORE RESPONSIBLE PATH THAN
HAVE THE COURAGE TO ACT IN A TIMELY MANNER. DALLAS DESERVES A CITY HALL THAT SERVES THE NEXT 50 YEARS,
NOT ONE THAT STRUGGLES UNDER THE WEIGHT OF THE LAST 50. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND TOM LUCKEY. 
          GOOD MORNING, MAYOR, CITY MANAGER AND COUNCIL. 
          MY NAME IS ANTON LUCKY AND I LIVE SOUTH OF DOWNTOWN MY ENTIRE LIFE. 
          FIRST, I'D LIKE TO SAY THANK THAT LADY WHO CAME BEFORE ME. SHE WAY MORE ELOQUENT THAN I
AM. 
          BUT I'M GLAD SOMEBODY'S THINKING LIKE I'M THINKING. 
          BUT THIS WHOLE CITY HALL CAMPAIGN IS JUST, TO ME,
WEAPONIZED HISTORICAL PRESERVATION. 
          WE LITERALLY HAVE PEOPLE FIGHTING HARDER TO PROTECT A PIECE OF CONCRETE THAN THEY'VE EVER
FOUGHT TO PROTECT OR INVEST IN THE LIVES AND THE COMMUNITY SITTING RIGHT ACROSS OUR I30. IF THIS,
THE CHOICE IS A BAD CHOICE. 
          THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ARCHITECTURAL ESTHETICS WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JOBS AND SURVIVAL. 
          IT'S FUNNY HOW THE LOUDEST VOICE IS TRYING TO SAY THIS BILL AND GO BACK TO THE SUBURBS AND
AWAY FROM THE CORE AT 5 P.M., WHILE WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE DEAD ZONE THAT THEY LEAVE BEHIND. 
          IT'S DOING EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS BUILT TO DO KEEPING THE WEALTH ON THE NORTH SIDE. 
          BULLDOZERS ROADBLOCK AND LET THE DOLLARS FLOW SOUTH. 
          I WAS TAUGHT THAT YOU DON'T THROW GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD,
AND I CAN'T BELIEVE FOLK CLAIM TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND CARE ABOUT BUDGETS ARE ACTUALLY HERE ADVOCATING SPENDING THIS KIND OF MONEY TO SAVE A BUILDING RATHER THAN
SELLING IT, AND CREATING MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          SOUTH DALLAS WEST DALLAS, PLEASANT GROVE, MILL CITY. 
          OAK CLIFF. SOUTH OAK CLIFF. AND AS I WATCH THIS PLAY OUT,
I'M REMINDED OF THE BIG MISTAKE WE MADE THE LAST TIME WHEN WE GAVE THE DALLAS COWBOYS OUR ARLINGTON DOWNTOWN NEEDS PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AND TO GET PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. 
          TO GET EXCITEMENT, YOU NEED EXCITEMENT TO GET EXCITEMENT OUT OF THIS THING THAT WE'RE
SITTING IN RIGHT NOW. 
          IT'S NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE. I HATE COMING DOWN HERE. EVERY TIME I COME DOWN THERE. 
          I DREAD IT BECAUSE IT'S JUST IT'S NOT INVITING. 
          TAKE THIS DOWN AND REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WANT AND ENJOY,
THAT WE CAN ENJOY OUR CITY'S FUTURE. 
          I SAID, DO THE RIGHT THING AND GROW SOUTH THIS TIME AND MEAN IT. 
          LET THE DOLLARS FLOW TO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS SOUTH OF OUR 30. 
          IT'S OUR JOB TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION. IF DALLAS GOING TO BE A CITY OF THE FUTURE,
WE GOT TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS. 
          WE CAN'T SIT HERE OVER AND OVER AGAIN TALKING ABOUT A CONCRETE BUILDING. 
          WHEN WE GOT PEOPLE SOUTH OF OUR 30 THAT DON'T GOT JOBS,
THEY DON'T GOT TRAINING, THEY DON'T HAVE NO OPPORTUNITIES. 
          WE BELIEVE MY COMMUNITY BELIEVE THAT WHEN YOU REPLACE THIS,
THAT THIS CAN BE THE CATALYST FOR ECONOMIC STABILITY FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT JUST SIT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. AND SO I IMPLORE THE COUNCIL MAYOR,
CITY MANAGER, I IMPLORE Y'ALL TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND GIVE US SOMETHING THAT WE WANT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MELISSA KINGSTON. 
          MELISSA KINGSTON IS NOT PRESENT. KAREN BELLINGHAUSEN. 
          KAREN BELLINGHAUSEN IS NOT PRESENT. MARK LOMBARDI. 
          MARK LOMBARDI. OH. THANK YOU. 
          MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US THE TIME. 
          CITY MANAGER, CONDOLENCES TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY. 
          I HAVE TO AMEND WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY TODAY BECAUSE OF THE PRIOR TWO SPEAKERS. 
          I'M AN EIGHT YEAR RESIDENT OF THE FARMERS MARKET. 
          WHAT MAKES THIS AREA GREAT AND WHAT MAKES THAT AREA GREAT IS NOT FLASHY. 
          NEW DEVELOPMENT. IT IS MY NEIGHBOR, FOUR TOWNHOUSES DOWN AND THEIR SON AND MY SON GROWING
UP AS FRIENDS, PUTTING TOGETHER A SPORTS ARENA HERE. WILL NOT ENDURE. 
          IT WILL NOT. IT WILL NOT LAST. IT WILL NOT CREATE A WOVEN FAMILY. 
          IT WILL BE HOLLOW AND EMPTY. I HAVE TO START WITH THAT. 
          I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT TWO OTHER POINTS TODAY. FIRST,
HOW DO WE EXPLAIN THIS TURNOUT? I DON'T THINK THE PRIOR TWO SPEAKERS UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. 
          THIS CROWD AND THE PUBLIC BACKLASH THAT PERMEATES SOCIAL CIRCLES CANNOT SIMPLY BE THE
RESULT OF ANGRY ARCHITECTS AND PRESERVATIONISTS PROCLAIMING THAT NOSTALGIA IS HOLDING US BACK. DOESN'T EXPLAIN THE THOUSANDS OF CONCERNED CITIZENS FOR WHICH THIS PLACE HOLDS NO
NOSTALGIA. 
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LET'S CONSIDER THAT IN SECOND POINT BRASS TACKS. 
          WHAT DOES THIS REALLY MEAN FOR YOU ALL? AND FOR SOME,
THE GOAL TO DISPOSE OF THIS PUBLIC FORUM AND FOR THE MAVERICKS. 
          WHICH LEADS ME BACK TO THE FIRST POINT. WE ARE HERE RUSHED,
CONFUSED, ANGRY, DISTRAUGHT AND PERHAPS MOST OF ALL DISTRUSTFUL BECAUSE THIS IS A DEEPLY FLAWED PROCESS. IT WAS HOIST UPON THE PEOPLE IN DEFERENCE TO THE MAVERICKS IN A
SELF-IMPOSED DEADLINE FOR RELOCATION. 
          NOT BECAUSE THIS BUILDING IS LACKING, NOT BECAUSE IT CALLS FOR AN EMERGENCY. 
          SO THESE PEOPLE ARE HERE, AND MANY, MANY MORE ARE TUNING IN OR FOLLOWING BECAUSE WE FEEL
WE ARE BEING SOLD OUT. 
          AND IT APPEARS OBVIOUS NOTHING ABOUT THIS APPEARS CLEVER. 
          WE ARE SOLD OUT TO THOSE SEEKING TO EXTRACT MAXIMUM VALUE FROM THE CITY,
NOT FOR THE CITY FOR THEIR BENEFIT, TO BE SURE. OF COURSE THEY WILL WRAP IT IN GLITZY RENDERINGS AND PROMISES OF ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT'S EMPTY, SOULLESS, HOLLOW. THE FARMERS MARKET WHERE I LIVE IS NOT,
AND THEY ARE BETTER AT EXTRACTING VALUE THAN WE ARE. 
          THAT IS THEIR VERSION OF SUCCESS AND WHY THEY ARE IN THE POSITION THEY ARE IN AND WHY WE
ARE HERE. 
          WHY DO YOU BEND TO THE TO THEIR WILL? YOU MAY STAY. 
          IT'S MY CONSTITUENTS WILL. BUT HOW CAN YOU KNOW WITHOUT DILIGENT COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND
TOWN HALL. 
          THEIR CEO. WHAT DOES HE SAY? WELL, I QUOTE, THERE'S NO PROJECT TO TALK ABOUT UNTIL THE
CITY WOULD SIGNAL TO US THAT THERE'S SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT. 
          HEADS UP THAT BIT. UNTIL THERE'S SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT,
THAT JUST MEANS UNTIL HE'S GOT US RIGHT WHERE HE WANTS US. 
          FORGING AHEAD WITH ABANDONMENT OF THIS HALL WOULD PAINT US ALL INTO A CORNER. 
          THE MAVERICKS WOULD APPLY MAXIMUM PRESSURE. KNOWING THE POLITICAL COST IN PROCEEDING CAN'T
BE UNDONE. 
          AND THAT YOU WILL THINK IT MUST BE SALVAGED. WE WILL LOSE THAT. 
          THE FORECAST. SO WHAT DOES THIS MEAN, PRACTICALLY? IT MEANS A DECISION TO PROCEED WILL NOT ENDURE. 
          YOU HAVE HERE AND AT HOME ALIGNED AGAINST SUCH A DECISION. 
          FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS, BOARD MEMBERS, ENGINEERS,
ARCHITECTS, REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONALS, CIVIC EXPERTS AND LAWYERS. 
          LOTS OF LAWYERS IN THE CITY. ATTORNEY IS RETIRING. 
          I HAVE MORE TO SAY, BUT I DON'T HAVE TIME. TAKE A TIME OUT. 
          CALL IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THE REMAINING SPEAKERS I'M GOING TO CALL AS A GROUP,
AND I'M GOING TO ASK THAT WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, IF YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD AND HAVE A SEAT ON THE FIRST TWO ROWS IN THE CENTER SECTION. 
          IF YOU'RE IN THE AUDIENCE. TAMATHA CURIEL. NEIL CRANE. 
          CARA CRANE. KELLY. CHANG, KEITH. BEYER, P.N.. 
          YANG, SEAN. PEACE, JOHN. MARTINEZ, MONIQUE. MACHADO,
KANTI. 
          SURESH. SHETTY, TAMALA. KUKLA, JACK. JOHNSTON,
STEPHEN BRONDER CARTER. 
          GRAHAM, VICKI MEEK, RANDY SHEAR, DIANE BIRDWELL,
AND CHRISTOPHER SUPRUN. 
          TAMATHA CURIEL IS VIRTUAL. YOU MAY BEGIN. MISS CURIEL, YOUR AUDIO. WE'RE HAVING. WE CANNOT HEAR YOU. 
          I'M SORRY. WE'LL COME BACK TO MISS MURIEL NEIL CRANE. 
          NEIL. CRANE. MR. CRANE. 
          CAN WE MAY BE HAVING SOME. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES,
WE CAN HEAR YOU. 
          HOWEVER, YOUR VIDEO IS NOT DISPLAYING. MR. CRANE MAY STOP AND START IT AGAIN. 
          OKAY. YES. HI, MY NAME IS NEIL CRANE. I'M A RESIDENT IN THE CREEK BEND AREA CREEK
NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I AM A DALLAS RESIDENT DALLAS BUSINESS OWNER. 
          I HAVE THREE DAUGHTERS THAT ATTEND THE PLANO PUBLIC SCHOOLS THERE. 
          AND THE LIBRARY THIS IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE LIBRARY. 
          IT'S A PLACE FOR LEARNING SAFETY AND OPPORTUNITY FOR THE KIDS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THEY DO MATH TUTORING SESSIONS ON THE WEEKENDS. 
          IT'S A PLACE THAT THEY CAN SPARK THEIR CURIOSITY. 
          IT'S AN EXPERIENCE FOR THEM TO HAVE A QUIET PLACE THAT IN A WORLD THAT'S INCREASINGLY LOUD
AND DISTRACTED. 
          FOR MANY KIDS IN OUR AREA, THE LIBRARY IS A SAFE AND CONSTRUCTIVE PLACE FOR THEM TO SPEND
TIME AFTER SCHOOL. 
          AND THAT REALLY MATTERS. AND A PART OF THE CITY THAT ALREADY HAS LIMITED COMMUNITY
RESOURCES FOR FAMILIES AND CHILDREN. 
          WHAT IS. I DON'T PRETEND TO BE AN EXPERT IN THE SUBJECT MATTER,
BUT WHAT'S DIFFICULT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND IS HOW CLOSING A LIBRARY AND SAVING WHAT SEEMINGLY IS A VERY SMALL FRACTION OF WHAT'S NEEDED FOR THE NEW CITY HALL PLAN MAKES
SENSE. 
          SO OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, YOU KNOW, OUR PROPERTY TAXES HAVE GONE UP CONSISTENTLY. 
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THE COST OF LIVING IN DALLAS HAS STEADILY INCREASED,
SO FAMILIES LIKE OURS ARE PAYING MORE EVERY YEAR. 
          AND WE DO SO WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT THE CORE COMMUNITY RESOURCES,
ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT BENEFIT CHILDREN AND EDUCATION, WILL BE PROTECTED. LIBRARIES ARE ONE OF THE HIGHEST VALUE INVESTMENTS THAT A CITY CAN
MAKE. 
          IT SUPPORTS LITERACY, TUTORING, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT,
A SAFE COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACE. 
          THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR OUR CHILDREN AND OUR NEIGHBORHOODS IS ENORMOUS. 
          CLOSING THEM TO ACHIEVE WHAT AMOUNTS TO A TINY FRACTION OF THE CITY'S OVERALL BUDGET FEELS
VERY SHORTSIGHTED, AND IT'S DEEPLY DISCOURAGING TO FAMILIES WHO RELY ON THEM. 
          I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COUNCIL TO RECONSIDER CLOSING ANY OF THE LIBRARIES AND ANY OF THE
OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED. 
          IT MIGHT SEEM LIKE A SMALL PIECE OF WHAT SEEMS LIKE A VERY COMPLEX PUZZLE,
BUT IT DOES AFFECT US FAMILIES LIKE OURS VERY DIRECTLY. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. CARA CRANE. 
          GOOD MORNING. I'M KARA CRANE AND RESIDE AT 7021 CREEK BEND ROAD IN DALLAS. 
          THIS IS FAR NORTH DALLAS. I'M SPEAKING ON THE LIBRARY AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU, BOARD AND CITY MEMBERS. I DEEPLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME,
ENERGY AND COMMITMENT. 
          EACH OF YOU PUTS INTO SERVING THIS COMMUNITY. 
          AND I KNOW THAT THESE DECISIONS ARE NOT EASY. 
          THEY'RE HARD AND DIFFICULT. BUT I'M GRATEFUL FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO LISTEN TO OUR
CONCERNS AND TO CONSIDER THE IMPACT YOUR CHOICES HAVE ON THE FAMILIES WHO LIVE HERE. 
          AGAIN, I'M HERE TO ADDRESS THE PROPOSAL TO CLOSE FOR PUBLIC DALLAS LIBRARIES,
INCLUDING MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD LIBRARY, RENNER, FRANKFORD, TO SAVE 2.6 MILLION OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS TO HELP FUND THE CITY HALL
PROJECTED BUDGET. 
          I'M NOT HERE TO DEBATE THE FUTURE PLANS FOR CITY HALL. 
          I'M HERE SIMPLY TO ASK THAT THE NECESSARY BUDGET DOLLARS BE FOUND ELSEWHERE WITHOUT
SHUTTING DOWN THE LIBRARIES. 
          OUR COMMUNITIES RELY ON. THIS ISN'T JUST A BUDGET DECISION. 
          IT'S A PROFOUND MISTAKE. OUR LIBRARY IS MORE THAN A BUILDING. 
          IT'S ONE OF THE FEW PLACES OUR IN OUR AREA WHERE OUR CHILDREN CAN GO TO LEARN,
CONNECT AND EXIST IN A SAFE AND ENRICHING ENVIRONMENT. 
          IT'S WHERE OUR FAMILIES FROM EVERY BACKGROUND SHARE THE SAME SPACE WITH THE SAME SENSE OF
BELONGING. 
          CLOSING IT DOESN'T JUST INCONVENIENCE PEOPLE,
IT DEEPENS INEQUALITY. 
          IT ERODES SOCIAL CAPITAL, AND IT CHIPS AWAY AT THE HEART OF WHO WE ARE AS A COMMUNITY. 
          FOR MY FAMILY, THE LOSS IS PERSONAL. EVERY SATURDAY MORNING,
MY THREE DAUGHTERS WALK THE TWO SHORT BLOCKS TO THE LIBRARY FOR THEIR MATH TUTORING. 
          AT 10 A.M., THEY SWITCH OUT THEIR CHECKED LIBRARY BOOKS USING THEIR LIBRARY CARDS THEY'RE
SO PROUD OF. 
          ON THE WAY BACK, THEY MAY GET LUCKY AND HAVE THE APPROVAL TO STOP AT STARBUCKS DOWN THE
STREET, FEELING INDEPENDENT AND GROWN UP. THEY'VE COME HOME BEAMING WITH CONFIDENCE. 
          THIS SIMPLY WEEKLY RITUAL HAS GIVEN THEM MORE INDEPENDENCE AND CONNECTION TO THEIR
NEIGHBORHOOD THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN THEIR LIVES, WHICH IS QUITE THE STATEMENT CONSIDERING ALL THE ACTIVITIES THEY'RE INVOLVED IN. 
          IF THIS LIBRARY CLOSES. SURE, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD LOSES VALUE STRUCTURE STABILITY,
BUT FOR MY CHILDREN, THE LOSS IS FAR GREATER. THEY LOSE A SAFE PLACE TO GO GROW. 
          THEY LOSE A SENSE OF INDEPENDENCE. THEY LOSE COMMUNITY. 
          AND THAT IS IRREPLACEABLE. AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THIS ISN'T JUST A DECISION THAT
ENDS WITH A VOTE. 
          THIS IS A DECISION THAT WILL AFFECT HUNDREDS OF FAMILIES AND CHILDREN YEARS INTO THE
FUTURE. 
          ONCE A LIBRARY IS GONE, THE RIPPLE EFFECTS DON'T STOP THERE. 
          IT MEANS FEWER SAFE SPACES, FEWER LEARNING OPPORTUNITIES,
FEWER MOMENTS OF CONNECTION FOR THE NEXT GENERATION AND THE GENERATION AFTER THAT. 
          THE DECISION GOES FORWARD IN WAYS THAT SIMPLY CANNOT BE UNDONE. 
          SO I'M ASKING, TRULY ASKING YOU TO FIND THE DOLLARS ELSEWHERE. 
          DON'T TAKE IT FROM THE CHILDREN. DON'T TAKE IT FROM THE FAMILIES THAT RELY ON THIS SPACE. 
          DON'T MAKE MY HUSBAND AND I EXPLAIN TO OUR DAUGHTERS WHY THEIR LIBRARY IS CLOSED BECAUSE
THERE IS SIMPLY NO ANSWER WE CAN GIVE THEM THAT WILL EVER MAKE SENSE. 
          SO PLEASE CHOOSE COMMUNITY HERE. CHOOSE EQUITY. CHOOSE OUR CHILDREN. 
          CHOOSE OUR FUTURE TIME. CHOOSE OUR LIBRARY TO STAY OPEN. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. KELLY CHANG. GOOD MORNING,
COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          MY NAME IS KELLY CHANG, AND I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF NORTH DALLAS FOR OVER TEN YEARS. 
          I RAISED MY KIDS HERE, AND I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT A BUILDING
THAT IS NEVER EMPTY. 
          I TAKE MY TWO CHILDREN, AUDREY AND RILEY, TO THE RENNER FRANKFORD LIBRARY BRANCH
REGULARLY. 
          WE WALK THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND CAN ACCESS A WORLD OF KNOWLEDGE AND IMAGINATION
WITHIN JUST A FEW MINUTES. 
          AND EVERY TIME WE WALK THROUGH THOSE DOORS, WHETHER IT IS A TUESDAY AFTERNOON OR A
SATURDAY MORNING, IT IS FULL OF PEOPLE, NOT JUST US SEEKING PRODUCTIVITY AND MEANINGFUL CONNECTIONS. 
          IT IS NOT JUST A BUILDING WITH BOOKS FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT BRINGS PEOPLE TOGETHER AND IT IS A HUB FOR OUR COMMUNITY. 
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WHAT MAKES RENNER FRANKFORD SPECIAL IS THAT IT IS A GREAT EQUALIZER IN A CITY AS LARGE AS
DALLAS. 
          THIS BRANCH SERVES AN INCREDIBLY DIVERSE RANGE OF SOCIOECONOMIC BACKGROUNDS. 
          I SEE IT EVERY WEEK. LIKE WE JUST MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE STUDENTS GETTING TARGETED MATH
TUTORING THAT SOME FAMILIES MIGHT NOT OTHERWISE BE ABLE TO AFFORD. 
          THERE ARE TEACHERS WHO USE THE LIBRARY AS A SAFE,
PROFESSIONAL BRIDGE BETWEEN THE CLASSROOM AND THE HOME, AND I SEE OUR NEIGHBORS ON THE COMPUTERS ACCESSING THE DIGITAL,
THE DIGITAL WORLD TO APPLY FOR JOBS AND BUILD NEW SKILLS. 
          AND IN FACT, I JUST HEARD FROM A FRIEND THAT THE PTA AT A FRANKFURT MIDDLE SCHOOL,
DOWN AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL DOWN THE STREET RECENTLY RESERVED A LARGE MEETING SPACE AT RENNER, FRANKFORD TO BUILD COMMUNITY WITH THE INCOMING ELEMENTARY SCHOOL FAMILIES. 
          THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE AFTER SCHOOL EVENTS ON CAMPUS ARE NOT ALWAYS EASY OR FEASIBLE,
AND HAVING A LOCAL LIBRARY IS AFFORDABLE AND CRUCIAL. 
          SOME MIGHT LOOK AT A MAP AND SAY THAT THE NEXT LIBRARY IS ONLY THREE AND A HALF MILES AWAY
IN A CAR. 
          THAT'S TEN MINUTES. BUT FOR MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORS,
THAT DISTANCE IS AN IMPOSSIBLE BARRIER. 
          NOT ONLY AM I A PARENT, BUT I AM ON STAFF AT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. 
          ROSE HAGER AND EVERY DAY I ENCOUNTER STUDENTS WHOSE FAMILIES LACK STABILITY. 
          OUR STUDENTS WHO ARE ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED CONTINUE TO INCREASE EACH YEAR. 
          CURRENTLY, 45% OF OUR STUDENTS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR FREE LUNCH. 
          THAT IS 216 CHILDREN. WE NOT ONLY SERVE SEVERAL LOW INCOME APARTMENT COMPLEXES,
WE HAVE A LOCAL HOMELESS SHELTER RIGHT IN OUR IMMEDIATE AREA, WHERE FAMILIES ARE FIGHTING EVERY DAY TO GET BACK ON THEIR FEET FOR A PARENT WITHOUT
RELIABLE, WITHOUT A RELIABLE VEHICLE. THREE AND A HALF MILES IS NOT A COMMUTE. 
          IT'S A WALL. A WALKABLE BRANCH IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ACCESSING JOB RESOURCES AND BEING
COMPLETELY CUT OFF FROM OPPORTUNITY. 
          SO FOR OUR MOST VULNERABLE RESIDENTS, THIS LIBRARY IS NOT JUST A LUXURY,
IT IS THEIR LIFELINE. 
          SO AS YOU MAKE DECISIONS REGARDING INFRASTRUCTURE AND FUNDING,
I URGE EACH OF YOU PLEASE TO LOOK BEYOND THE LINE ITEMS ON A SPREADSHEET. 
          THINK ABOUT THE STUDENTS WHO NEED A TUTOR. THINK ABOUT THE PARENT AT THE SHELTER,
AND THINK ABOUT THE 216 CHILDREN WHO WILL BENEFIT FROM QUICK ACCESS TO A WORLD OF OPPORTUNITIES. PLEASE CONTINUE TO PRIORITIZE THE FUNDING AND THE PRESENCE OF THE LIBRARY
AND THE OTHER ONES. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. WE WILL NOW GO BACK TO TAMATHA CURIEL. 
          MISS CURIEL. HI. MY NAME IS TAMATHA CURIEL. I'M FROM THE PLEASANT GROVE AREA,
DISTRICT FIVE. 
          AND ON THE ISSUE OF CITY HALL, I'VE BEEN THINKING THIS SCRIPTURE KEEPS COMING TO MIND. 
          THE ONE WHERE A FATHER ASKS JESUS. HE SAYS, I BELIEVE. 
          HELP MY UNBELIEF. NOT THAT YOU ARE ALL DEITIES,
BECAUSE BUT WE HAVE BEEN ASKED TO BELIEVE IN YOU ENOUGH TO VOTE FOR YOU TO REPRESENT US. 
          AND THE LAST TIME I SPOKE AT THE HORSESHOE WAS TO OPPOSE COLLABORATING WITH ICE,
WHICH THE MAYOR ASKED YOU TO CONSIDER. AND HE'S ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER THIS AS WELL. 
          AND I'M NOT SURPRISED BY THE MAYOR'S SUGGESTION ON THAT ISSUE OR ON THIS ISSUE,
EITHER, WHEN THE THEME OF HIS INAUGURATION WAS RESPECTABILITY POLITICS, WHEN MANY OF US SPENT NINE HOURS ON A PHONE CALL WITH HIM EXPLAINING DIFFERENT WAYS OUR
CITY COULD CREATE PUBLIC SAFETY, AND WITHIN A WEEK HE WAS ON CNN DENYING HE KNEW WHAT WE MEANT. AND THEN HE CHANGED HIS PARTY, WHICH WAS CONFIRMATION THAT BUILDING TRUST WITH US
WAS NOT A PRIORITY. 
          BUT THE REST OF THIS COUNCIL, I WANT TO BELIEVE THAT WHEN YOU MAKE DECISIONS HERE,
YOU HAVE OUR BEST INTERESTS IN MIND. 
          I BELIEVE IN A WAY THAT WE ELECTED YOU TO STAND IN THE GAP FOR US. 
          I BELIEVED IN YOU, SO HELP MY UNBELIEF HERE. MANY OF YOU SPOKE STRONGLY AGAINST ICE AND
INHUMANE POLICIES, AND YET ON THIS ISSUE ARE WILLING TO ALIGN YOURSELVES WITH A BILLIONAIRE WHO SUPPORTS
TRUMP, HAS JOKED ABOUT A THIRD TERM, AND DOESN'T SEEM TO CARE MUCH ABOUT DALLAS OR TEXAS,
OR HUMAN BEINGS IN GENERAL. 
          CONSIDERING THE WEIGHT THAT MONEYED FAMILIES HAVE ALWAYS HAD IN DALLAS POLITICS,
WATCHING THIS ARENA COME TO BE WITH THIS OUT OF TOWN BILLIONAIRE IS BAFFLING AND GROSS. 
          AND I DON'T BELIEVE FOR ONE SECOND IT WILL BENEFIT US IN PLEASANT GROVE OR IN THE SOUTH
DALLAS AREA, BECAUSE I KNOW THE WAY THIS WORKS. WE ALL DO. 
          I STILL WANT TO BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE BEST INTEREST OF THE SOUL. 
          THE CITY COUNCIL HAS THE BEST INTEREST OF THE SOUL IN MIND. 
          HELP ME BELIEVE WHEN I GO TO OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE SOME REVERENCE FOR THEIR HISTORY,
THAT'S OFTEN THE DISTINGUISHING FEATURE. 
          IT'S THE REASON PEOPLE VISIT. THERE'S SHARED VALUE AND HISTORIC AND ICONIC SPACES. 
          OTHER CITIES BUILD CULTURAL RICHNESS AND CONNECTION BY BUILDING ON LEGACY. 
          BUT THE AND DALLAS WE JUST KEEP. NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW,
NEW, NEW AND NEW IS NOT ALWAYS BETTER. 
          AND A CITY HALL CAN'T BE SAVED. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE REST OF US? THAT THERE IS NO AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WILL STOP DEVELOPERS FROM TAKING WHAT THEY WANT? ONCE THE MAJORITY OF THIS COUNCIL HAS DECIDED THAT THE PROPHET IS THE ONLY MEASURE OF A
SUCCESSFUL COMMUNITY. 
          THE FACT THAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING THIS AT ALL MAKES IT VERY HARD TO BELIEVE THAT YOU
ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT THE HEART AND SOUL OF THE CITY, WHICH IS US, THE PEOPLE. AND HERE WE KEEP SHOWING UP BECAUSE WE CARE. 
          AND YOU KEEP ASKING US TO SITTING THROUGH MEETINGS EXPLAINING WHAT OUR COMMUNITIES NEED
OVER AND OVER AGAIN IN VARIOUS DIFFERENT WAYS, 
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ENGAGE IN OUR CIVIC DUTY. AND WHEN WE DON'T UNDERSTAND A POLICY,
WE MISS A MEMO. 
          WE SHOW UP LATE BECAUSE WE HAD WORK OR CHILD CARE OR ELDER CARE. 
          WE GET ADMONISHED OR CONDESCENDED TO WHILE SOMEHOW THE BURDEN IS ALWAYS ON US TO GET IT
RIGHT, BUT NOT ON YOU TO DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE. AND YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT HERE. 
          HELP OUR UNBELIEF BY TABLING THIS VOTE AND PROVIDING THE TRANSPARENCY AND HONESTY WE NEED
TO KEEP BELIEVING IN YOU. 
          THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          KEITH BEYER. YES. HELLO. MY NAME IS KEITH BEYER I HAVE THREE GIRLS WHO GREW UP AND STILL
ARE GROWING UP IN THE PUBLIC LIBRARY, FROM TODDLER TIME TO GLOBAL SPANISH READING PROGRAM,
TO THEATER, TO JUST HAVING A PLACE FOR SMALL CHILDREN TO GO TO THE LIBRARY IS AN ESSENTIAL FOR US IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. BIGGER PICTURE. 
          A LIBRARY IS NOT JUST A BUILDING WITH BOOKS. IT'S ONE OF THE LAST TRULY PUBLIC SPACES
WHERE EVERYONE IS WELCOME REGARDLESS OF AGE, INCOME, BACKGROUND OR CIRCUMSTANCE. AND CLOSING THIS LIBRARY WOULD NOT JUST REMOVE SHELVES
AND COMPUTERS, IT WOULD REMOVE THE OPPORTUNITY, SAFETY, EDUCATION,
AND CONNECTION FROM OUR COMMUNITY. 
          FOR MANY FAMILIES, THIS LIBRARY IS THE ONLY PLACE WHERE CHILDREN HAVE ACCESS TO FREE
BOOKS, HOMEWORK HELP AND INTERNET SERVICE. THE CITY IS DYNAMIC AND FAST GROWING AS DALLAS ACCESS
TO TECHNOLOGY AND LITERACY RESOURCES IS NOT A LUXURY, IT'S A NECESSITY. AND WHEN WE CLOSE THE LIBRARY,
WE WIDEN THE GAP BETWEEN THOSE WHO HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE THINGS AND THOSE WHO DO NOT. 
          FOR SENIORS, THE LIBRARY IS A PLACE FOR LEARNING AND COMMUNITY AND CONNECTION. 
          FOR JOB SEEKERS. IT PROVIDES COMPUTERS, RESUME ASSISTANCE,
A QUIET SPACE TO WORK FOR STUDENTS AND AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM, AND JUST A SAFE SPACE TO HANG OUT, TO ENGAGE AND BE SUPPORTED. 
          WE OFTEN TAKE OR TALK ABOUT INVESTING IN PUBLIC SAFETY,
ECONOMIC GROWTH, AND STRONGER NEIGHBORHOODS AND LIBRARIES DIRECTLY SUPPORT ALL THREE OF THOSE, AND STUDIES WILL SHOW THAT LIBRARIES STRENGTHEN COMMUNITIES,
IMPROVE LITERACY RATES, AND EVEN INCREASE NEARBY PROPERTY VALUES. SO CLOSING BRANCHES MAY OFTEN SHORT MAY OFFER
SHORT TERM BUDGET RELIEF, BUT IT CREATES LONG TERM COSTS AND ISSUES SOCIAL,
EDUCATIONAL AND ECONOMIC. 
          SO BUDGETS REFLECT PRIORITIES. IF WE BELIEVE IN EQUITY,
EDUCATION AND OPPORTUNITY, THEN PROTECTING THIS LIBRARY IS A MUST FOR THAT COMMITMENT. 
          THINGS I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER ARE THE CHILDREN THAT WILL LOSE A SAFE PLACE AFTER SCHOOL,
FAMILIES WHO CANNOT AFFORD INTERNET ACCESS AT HOME. 
          SENIORS WHO RELY ON THIS SPACE, AND EVEN BUSINESS OWNERS WHO NEED A PLACE TO MEET AND
TALK. 
          WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR LUXURY. WE'RE ASKING TO PRESERVE A LIFELINE. 
          I URGE YOU TO EXPLORE ALTERNATIVES RELOCATION OF FUNDS,
PARTNERSHIPS, GRANTS, OR FAITH SOLUTIONS BEFORE MAKING A DECISION LIKE PERMANENTLY CLOSING A NEIGHBORHOOD LIBRARY. IF YOU NEED HELP WITH RAISING MONEY WE CAN HELP WITH FUNDRAISING. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF GENEROUS PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT WOULD LOVE TO DONATE AND HELP KEEP
THIS HERE. 
          SO BEFORE MAKING THAT DECISION TO PERMANENTLY IMPACT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD,
PLEASE STAND WITH THIS COMMUNITY AND PLEASE PROTECT OUR LIBRARIES. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. PEI YIN YANG. 
          GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS PANG YING. I LIVE AT 3800 COMMERCE STREET,
DISTRICT TWO. 
          I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON THE CITY COUNCIL VOTE THAT IS HELD THIS AFTERNOON TO ABANDON CITY
HALL. 
          THIS RECOMMENDATION TO VOTE IS RUSHED. POORLY PLANNED AND BASED ON INCOMPLETE DATA,
THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN ENOUGH TIME TO REALLY EVALUATE AND UNDERSTAND OURSELVES. WITH HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF TAX DOLLARS ON THE LINE AND THE
POTENTIAL LOSS OF A CIVIC LANDMARK, I QUESTION WHY COUNCIL IS TRYING TO MOVE ON THIS SO QUICKLY. 
          THIS IS A BIG DECISION AND SHOULD REQUIRE TIME. 
          CLEAR INFORMATION AND MORE PUBLIC DISCUSSION. 
          INSTEAD, THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN ACCELERATED WITH LIMITED OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REVIEW THE
FACTS OR MEANINGFULLY PARTICIPATE. 
          MOVING FORWARD WITHOUT MORE TRANSPARENCY AND STRAIGHTFORWARD MOTIVES,
CONTINUES TO DAMAGE OUR TRUST IN THE CITY TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND ACT ON THE BEHALF OF PEOPLE. I'M ASKING THAT COUNCIL DELAY THIS VOTE,
HOLD WELL PUBLICIZED COMMUNITY MEETINGS, RELEASE RELIABLE DATA THAT IS ACCESSIBLE AND EASY TO UNDERSTAND,
AND GIVE US THE TIME TO EVALUATE WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE. 
          THERE IS NO REASON WHY THIS HAS TO BE DECIDED TODAY. 
          DELAY THE VOTE. THANK YOU. SHAUN PEASE. 
          GOOD MORNING MAYOR. MY NAME IS SHAUN PEASE, THE PRESIDENT OF THE DALLAS POLICE
ASSOCIATION. 
          FIRST AND FOREMOST, SIR, THANK YOU FOR ACKNOWLEDGING OUR CITY MANAGER,
THE HARDEST WORKING CITY MANAGER IN ALL OF THE NATION. 
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AND, MA'AM, FROM OUR PERSONAL CONVERSATIONS,
I KNOW THAT YOU'VE NOT LOST YOUR FATHER BECAUSE YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE HE IS. 
          ONE DAY, WE'LL HAVE THAT GLORIOUS REUNION. I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE 3317
MEN AND WOMEN WHO PUT ON THE UNIFORM EVERY DAY TO PROTECT AND SERVE THIS CITY. 
          AND I'M ASKING. DON'T FORGET ABOUT US. WE HAVE AN ACADEMY THAT THE CITY HAS VOTED ON,
THE BONDING HAS BEEN APPROVED. WE STILL NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDING, BUT I JUST DID A PRESS CONFERENCE LAST WEEK
AND ONE OF THE REPORTERS SAID, WHAT'S CHANGED IN TWO WEEKS? WELL, EVERYTHING WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT TODAY HAS CHANGED. 
          IN TWO WEEKS IS ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $1 BILLION HERE,
$1 BILLION, YOU KNOW, THERE WE WE STILL NEED HELP IN GETTING THIS THIS FUNDED. 
          THE CITIZENS HAVE VOTED ON IT, AS I SAID, 3317 OFFICERS. 
          WE RECENTLY HAD A PROPOSITION THAT WAS PASSED SAYING WE NEED TO BE AT 4000. 
          CURRENTLY IN THE ACADEMY, WE HAVE 300. AND THAT IS MAXED OUT. 
          COMPLETELY MAXED OUT. YESTERDAY IN THIS SAME COUNCIL CHAMBER AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY MEETING, WE HEARD OUR ATTRITION RATE IS RIGHT BELOW 200 EVERY YEAR. 
          SO 300, IT TAKES TEN MONTHS TO GET THROUGH THE ACADEMY,
AND WE'RE LOSING 190 IN A YEAR. 
          MOST OF THEM TO RETIREMENTS. BUT DO YOU SEE HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE US TO GET TO THAT NUMBER
IN OUR CURRENT SITUATION? SO PLEASE, COUNSEL, AS YOU CONSIDER THE BEST WAY TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS, ALL THE RESOURCES. 
          I HAVE A SUBSTATION THAT ACTUALLY SERVES RIGHT HERE,
THIS AREA CENTRAL SUBSTATION THAT IS LITERALLY FALLING APART AS WELL. 
          WE HAVE TO MAKE THE CORRECT DECISIONS ON ON HOW WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME AND FOR THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS VOTE. 
          THANK YOU. JOHN MARTINEZ HAS CANCELED. MONIQUE MACHADO. 
          HI. I'M HERE TODAY TO URGE THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER A TRANSITION PLAN THAT INCLUDES A BAN
ON NEW PERMITS FOR HORSE CARRIAGES IN DALLAS, AND FOR EXISTING OPERATORS TO SWITCH TO HORSELESS ALTERNATIVES. 
          NARROW CITY STREETS ARE NOT DESIGNED FOR SLOW MOVING HORSE CARRIAGES. 
          THEY ARE UNPREDICTABLE SAFETY RISKS TO BOTH ANIMALS AND MOTORISTS. 
          PLEASE CONSIDER USING ELECTRIC CARRIAGES. IT IS LONG OVERDUE. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. KANTI SURESH SHETTY OR SURESH SHETTY? YES. BLESSED WEDNESDAY AND AS I STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY,
I BEGIN IN GRATITUDE TO GOD, HONORABLE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, RESPECTED CITY MANAGER AND DISTINGUISHED LEADERS,
THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP. 
          MY NAME IS KANTHI SOCIETY AND I'M A DISTRICT AIDE FAMILY BUSINESS OWNER WHO HAS INVESTED
AND OPERATED IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR NEARLY TWO DECADES AND CONTINUE TO GROW. I STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY TO SHARE A FORWARD LOOKING ECONOMIC PERSPECTIVE. 
          AS THE CITY CONSIDERS THE FUTURE OF THIS IMPORTANT CIVIC SITE,
THAT REPRESENTS FAR MORE THAN A BUILDING, A RARE PUBLIC ASSET IN THE HEART OF DALLAS. MY INTENTION IS NOT TO OPPOSE RENOVATION OR
ANY SPECIFIC PATH. 
          I BELIEVE AND ENCOURAGE THAT. AS THIS DISCUSSION CONTINUES,
WE SHOULD CONSIDER THE LONG TERM ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THIS PROPERTY FROM AN URBAN DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE. 
          A PARCEL LIKE THIS CAN BECOME WHAT OUR PLANNERS MAY CALL THIS AS A CATALYTIC CIVIC ANCHOR, MEANING IT CAN STILL SERVE CITY OPERATIONS, BUT IT CAN ALSO SPARK NEW BUSINESS ACTIVITY
AROUND IT. 
          ONE SMART OPTION THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED IS TO BUILD IN PHASES. 
          PHASE ONE COULD BE A MODERN, ENERGY EFFICIENT CIVIC BUILDING THAT LOWERS OPERATING COSTS
AND KEEPS THE CIVIC SERVICES RUNNING SMOOTHLY. 
          THEN, IN FUTURE PHASES, THE CITY COULD ADD REVENUE GENERATING PIECES THAT MAY HELP PAY
BACK THE INVESTMENT AND STRENGTHEN OUR TAX BASE, SUCH AS CONFERENCE HOTEL THAT BRINGS VISITORS AND PRODUCES HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX. 
          MEETING AND CONFERENCE SPACES THAT ATTRACTS EVENTS. 
          CLASS A OFFICE SPACE THAT BRINGS CORPORATE TENANTS AND GROWS THE PROPERTY TAX BASE AND
RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL THAT ACTIVATE SALES TAX REVENUE. 
          WE COULD ALSO CONSIDER AND INCLUDE WORKFORCE TRAINING SPACES SO AS DISTRICT GROWS,
IT CAN CREATE LOCAL JOBS AND PREPARE RESIDENTS FOR HIGHER PAYING WORK. WHEN WE COMBINE CITY SERVICES WITH THESE COMPLEMENTARY
USES, 
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WE THE AREA, THE AREA BECOMES A PLACE THAT IS ACTIVE ALL DAY AND EVENINGS WHERE PEOPLE
COME TO WORK, ATTEND MEETINGS, EAT, SHOP AND INVEST INSTEAD OF BEING QUIET AFTER OFFICE HOURS. 
          WITH SMART PLANNING AND SUSTAINABLE DESIGN, THIS COULD GROW INTO A SIGNATURE CIVIC
DESTINATION FOR OUR CITY AND THE CITY THAT ATTRACTS BUSINESSES, CONFERENCES, VISITORS AND GLOBAL INVESTMENT WHILE GENERATING ONGOING REVENUE FOR THE CITY
YEAR AFTER YEAR. 
          THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT COULD ALSO POSSIBLY CREATE A MEANINGFUL LONG TERM REVENUE STREAMS
FOR OUR CITY. 
          LET'S SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, A 200 TO 300 ROOM CONFERENCE HOTEL COULD GENERATE POTENTIAL
REVENUE ANNUALLY IN HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAXES. 
          A CLASS A OFFICE BUILDING COULD ATTRACT CORPORATIONS AND GLOBAL COMPANIES,
EXPANDING THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TAX BASE. 
          AND SOMETIMES THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MAINTAINING A BUILDING AND CREATING A LEGACY IS
SIMPLY THE COURAGE TO PAUSE. 
          THAT'S YOUR TIME. LOOK BEYOND AND IMAGINE WHAT A CITY CALLS BECOMES FOR GENERATION AND THE
CITY HOME. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, RESPECTED CITY MANAGER. YOU'RE IN OUR PRAYERS. 
          THANK YOU. TAMMY CUTLER. GOOD MORNING, TAMMY KUKLA,
A PROUD RESIDENT OF DISTRICT TWO, VOLUNTEER IN DISTRICT SIX AND SEVEN, AND PROUD MOM OF CRUELTY CASE DOGS AND CATS FROM
DALLAS ANIMAL SERVICES UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF DALLAS ANIMAL SERVICES DIRECTOR PAUL RAMONE. DALLAS HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEAD THE COUNTRY AGAIN IN THE PREVENTION THROUGH
EXPANDED SPAY AND NEUTER. 
          DALLAS HAS ALREADY SHOWN WHAT LEADERSHIP LOOKS LIKE IN THIS AREA THROUGH THE BIG FIX. 
          MORE THAN 26,000 SPAY NEUTER SURGERIES WERE PERFORMED THROUGH PARTNERSHIPS BETWEEN DALLAS
ANIMAL SERVICES, REESE JONES, DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, SPAY NEUTER NETWORK,
SPCA, VETERINARIANS AND LEADERS LIKE BARBARA HOBBS. 
          BY TARGETING NEIGHBORHOODS, FOLLOWING A COMMUNITY POLICING MODEL,
AND REMOVING FINANCIAL BARRIERS FOR FAMILIES. 
          THE BIG FIX PREVENTED THOUSANDS OF ANIMALS FROM EVER ENTERING THE SHELTER SYSTEM AND KEPT
PEPSIN PEOPLE TOGETHER, ESPECIALLY OUR UNSHELTERED NEIGHBORS. IT WORKED BECAUSE DALLAS ANIMAL SERVICES LED A
STRONG COLLABORATION ACROSS THE CITY. 
          TODAY WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD ON THAT SUCCESS AGAIN UNDER DIRECTOR PAUL RAMON AND
DALLAS ANIMAL SERVICES. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW, PREVENTION NEEDS SUPPORT IN Q1 ALONE BECAUSE DALLAS ANIMAL SERVICES IS
SHORT VETERINARIANS. 
          THE SURGERIES ARE DOWN 13%. WHEN VETERINARY CAPACITY DECREASES,
ACCESS TO SPAY AND NEUTER DECREASES. 
          RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE DOGS ACROSS DALLAS DEPENDING ON OUR SYSTEM TO WORK SUPPORTING PAUL,
RAMON AND DALLAS ANIMAL SERVICES IN EXPANDING SPAY NEUTER SERVICES AND ACCESS TO THEM IS A SMART INVESTMENT. AND DALLAS HAS AN IMPORTANT MOMENT AHEAD. 
          FIFA IS COMING AND THE WORLD WILL BE WATCHING DALLAS,
AS WE KNOW RIGHT NOW WITH FIFA FOR 2030 AND MOROCCO, THE INTERNATIONAL ANIMAL WELFARE ORGANIZATIONS,
EUROGROUP FOR ANIMALS, PETA FOR PAWS, AND INTERNATIONAL ANIMAL WELFARE AND PROTECTION COALITION ARE ALREADY EVALUATING WHAT DALLAS WILL BE DOING. 
          DALLAS HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW LEADERSHIP. 
          THE REQUEST IS SIMPLE TO HELP SUPPORTED SPAY NEUTER FUNDING. 
          FUNDING UNDER PAUL RAMON AND GIVE HIM THE RESOURCES AND PARTNERSHIPS HE NEEDS. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. JACK. JACK. 
          JACK JOHNSON. JACK JOHNSON IS NOT PRESENT. STEPHEN BRONDER. 
          STEPHEN BRONDER IS NOT PRESENT. CARTER. GRAHAM. 
          CARTER. GRAHAM IS NOT PRESENT. VICKI. MEEK. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. MAYOR. COUNCIL, I'D LIKE TO OFFER MY CONDOLENCES TO CITY MANAGER TOLBERT FOR HER
LOSS OF HER FATHER. 
          MY NAME IS VICKI MEEK. I LIVE AT 705 LOWELL STREET,
DISTRICT 14, WHERE I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT FOR A HOMEOWNER FOR 45 YEARS. I'M HERE TO REGISTER MY OPPOSITION TO THE SALE OR DESTRUCTION OF DALLAS CITY HALL. 
          AS AN ARTIST, I AM DISMAYED THAT THE MAJORITY OF THIS COUNCIL IS SO DISMISSIVE OF THIS
ICONIC BUILDING DESIGNED BY AN INTERNATIONALLY RENOWNED ARCHITECT, I.M. PEI. AS A REGISTERED VOTER, I AM DISMAYED BY THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY AROUND THIS
ISSUE. 
          CITY HALL IS THE PEOPLE'S HOUSE AND AS SUCH SHOULD HAVE PUBLIC INPUT ABOUT ITS FUTURE. 
          IN ADDITION, THE DESTRUCTION OF CITY HALL ALSO MEANS THE LOSS OF ONE OF OUR CITY'S MOST
ACCESSIBLE AND WELL UTILIZED PUBLIC PLAZAS, 
          [01:25:05]
FROM CULTURAL CELEBRATIONS TO PUBLIC PROTESTS. 
          CITY HALL PLAZA WILL BE HARD TO DUPLICATE IN ANY OTHER DOWNTOWN LOCATION. 
          AS A HOME HOMEOWNER AND TAXPAYER, I AM DISMAYED AT THE FISCAL IRRESPONSIBILITY OF THE
MAJORITY OF THIS COUNCIL. 
          USING UNBELIEVABLE FIGURES TO JUSTIFY THE DEMOLITION OF CITY HALL. 
          IF THIS BUILDING IS SO UNFIXABLE, I HAVE TO ASK,
WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG FOR ITS MAINTENANCE TO BECOME AN ISSUE? I AM ENDING BY SIMPLY ASKING YOU ALL TO REMEMBER YOUR JOB,
WHICH IS TO REPRESENT YOUR CONSTITUENCY, NOT YOUR DONORS. CLEARLY, THE VOTERS ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS SALE OR THE DEMOLITION OF
DALLAS CITY HALL. 
          AS A RETIRED CITY EMPLOYEE WHO WAS A STEWARD OF A CITY FACILITY FOR 20 YEARS,
THE SOUTH DALLAS CULTURAL CENTER, I KNOW A LITTLE SOMETHING ABOUT DEFERRED MAINTENANCE,
BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT I'D HATE TO SEE THAT BUILDING TORN DOWN BECAUSE THE COUNCIL DIDN'T DO ITS JOB. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, RANDY SHEAR. 
          YES. HELLO. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS RANDY SHEAR. 
          I'M A DESIGNER, ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNER, AND I LIVE IN LAKEWOOD. 
          I HAVE MY AND I'M HERE TO PRESERVE OLD CITY HALL IN MY PROPOSAL AND MY DESIGN PROPOSAL. 
          SO I HAVE MY ASSISTANT SPEAK FOR ME HERE. THE PROJECT IS A BOLD ARCHITECTURAL PROPOSAL
PRESENTED TO MAYOR JOHNSON AND THE CITY COUNCIL TO REIMAGINE DALLAS CITY HALL BY PRESERVING AND
REVITALIZING THE EXISTING HISTORIC I.M. 
          PEI DESIGNED BUILDING. INSTEAD OF DEMOLITION,
THE PLAN CALLS FOR THE RESTORATION AND MODERNIZATION OF THE ICONIC BRUTALIST STYLE STRUCTURE. AFTER THE COMPLETION OF A COMPLEMENTARY NEW ADDITION,
THIS NEW ADDITION TAKES THE FORM OF AN INVERTED C, WHICH, WHEN COMBINED WITH THE ORIGINAL LINEAR CITY HALL,
CREATES A POWERFUL SYMBOLIC GESTURE. 
          THE LETTER D REPRESENTING DALLAS. THE PROJECT TRANSFORMS CITY HALL INTO A RENEWED CIVIC
CAMPUS THAT PRESERVES ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY, STRENGTHENS FUNCTIONALITY, AND ENHANCES PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT,
ALIGNING WITH DALLAS GREENING INITIATIVES THROUGH RENOVATION AND ADAPTIVE REUSE. 
          THE NEW DESIGN FEATURES CLEARLY DEFINED PUBLIC,
PRIVATE, AND SECURED ZONES TO ENSURE AN EFFICIENT AND TRANSPARENT CIVIC ENVIRONMENT MEETING MODERN OPERATIONAL AND SECURITY STANDARDS. 
          ONCE THE ADDITION IS COMPLETE, ALL 43 CITY OFFICE DIVISIONS COULD BE CONSOLIDATED THERE,
ALLOWING THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC BUILDING TO UNDERGO THOUGHTFUL RENOVATION WITHOUT INTERRUPTING MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS. THE ADDITION IS ALSO ENVISIONED AS THE FIRST NET ZERO
READY MASS TIMBER CIVIC BUILDING IN DALLAS, TARGETING HIGH CERTIFICATIONS LIKE LEED GOLD,
PLATINUM, AND LEED ZERO ENERGY. 
          DISTINGUISHED BY ITS CURVED FORM, GEOMETRY AND LARGE ROOF WING ACCOMMODATING SOLAR PANEL
ARRAYS, THE DESIGN UTILIZES A MONOLITHIC CONCRETE BASE TO HONOR THE ORIGINAL BUILDINGS
MATERIALITY, AND SETS UP AN ARCHITECTURAL DIALOG WITH NEARBY PROJECTS LIKE THE DALLAS MEMORIAL ARENA
RENOVATION AND THE KBH MASTER PLAN. 
          A KEY FEATURE IS THE ELEVATED PUBLIC COURTYARD BETWEEN THE TWO STRUCTURES,
WHICH WILL BE A DYNAMIC CIVIC GREEN AND EVENT SPACE. 
          A THOROUGHFARE STREET WILL PRESERVE SHORT TERM PARKING AND SERVICE ACCESS,
BUT IS INTENTIONALLY DESIGNED TO CLOSE FOR LARGE SCALE CITY EVENTS LIKE THE DALLAS MARATHON OR FESTIVALS. TRANSFORMING INTO A PEDESTRIAN PROMENADE,
THE PROJECT IS POSITIONED AS AN URBAN ANCHOR TO HELP RECONNECT DOWNTOWN DALLAS TO THE CEDARS, DEEP ELLUM, AND SOUTH DALLAS NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNER RAND SHEAR, THE PROPONENT OF THE PROJECT,
ARGUES THAT PRESERVATION WITH THOUGHTFUL EVOLUTION IS THE PATH FORWARD, NOT DEMOLITION. HE URGES THE COUNCIL TO VOTE NO ON DEMOLITION AND YES ON THE BIG D
PROJECT, CALLING IT A WIN WIN WIN OPPORTUNITY FOR HERITAGE,
CIVIC IDENTITY AND FUTURE GENERATIONS. 
          THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I HOPE YOU DECIDE TO KEEP THE BUILDING. 
          DIANE BIRDWELL. GOOD MORNING. DIANE BIRDWELL,
5705 MEADOWLARK LANE, DISTRICT SEVEN, AND BUCKNER TERRACE. I'M A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF DALLAS. 
          I GREW UP IN THE OAK LAWN AND ATTENDED SKYLINE AND BOUGHT A HOUSE 23 YEARS AGO. 
          IT'S 60 YEARS OLD. IT NEEDS A LOT OF WORK, BUT I WOULDN'T DARE THINK OF TEARING IT DOWN. 
          I'M A HOMEOWNER AND A TAXPAYER, BUT I'M NOT SURPRISED THIS IS HAPPENING. 
          WHEN YOU SEE ME ON THE SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU'LL TELL ME. 
          YOU'LL SEE THAT I'LL SAY THE DALLAS WAY AGAIN. 
          65 YEARS OLD. I'M RETIRED NOW. I HAVE ALL DAY LONG. 
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AND THIS IS HOW DALLAS HAS DONE THINGS. THEY DISREGARD WHAT THE VOTERS WANT,
AND THE BILLIONAIRES AND MILLIONAIRES AND PRESTON HOLLOW AND THE PARK CITIES AND NOW LAS VEGAS APPARENTLY GET TO TELL Y'ALL WHAT TO DO. 
          THIS IS WHY I AM SO OPPOSED TO REAL ESTATE PEOPLE AND DEVELOPERS DONATING MONEY TO Y'ALL'S
CAMPAIGNS. 
          AND FOR THAT, I WAS PUNISHED BY BEING REMOVED FROM A COMMISSION. 
          I WAS BLOCKED BY SOMEBODY WHEN HE RAN AND SOMEBODY ELSE UNFRIENDED ME. 
          BUT THAT'S OKAY, BECAUSE I'M STILL HERE. I TOURED THIS BUILDING IN 1978,
RIGHT BEFORE IT OPENED AS A SENIOR AT SKYLINE. 
          AND I'LL BE HONEST, I THOUGHT WE WERE IN A LOGAN'S RUN MOVIE AND IT LOOKED COOL. 
          BUT I REALLY DON'T LIKE THIS BUILDING. I FIND IT COLD AND EMPTY. 
          HOWEVER, IT'S OUR BUILDING AND IT'S 50 YEARS OLD AND I AM PAID TO DESIGN IT. 
          AND IT DOES WORK. AND IF YOU WANT TO FIX IT,
FIX IT. 
          BUT BE HONEST WITH YOUR SOUL AND YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR GOD. 
          ARE YOU REALLY WANTING TO TEAR THIS DOWN FOR YOURSELF,
FOR FOR THE CITY OR FOR SOME BILLIONAIRE WHO WANTS A STADIUM? APPARENTLY STADIUMS DON'T WORK BECAUSE AMERICAN AIRLINES ARENA REPLACED REUNION AND
REUNION IS GONE. 
          REUNION WAS BUILT BECAUSE THE CITY CONVENTION CENTER WHERE I GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL,
ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH. 
          NOW YOU WANT TO TEAR THAT DOWN AS WELL. SO OBVIOUSLY,
THE LOGIC OF BUILDING THESE THINGS FOR JOBS DOESN'T WORK. 
          THANK GOD ROME DIDN'T TEAR DOWN THE COLISEUM. 
          IF YOU GO DOWN, IF YOU GO TO AMSTERDAM, THERE CITY HALL IS OVER 400 YEARS OLD. 
          IT'S JUST RIDICULOUS WHAT THIS IS GOING ON. I DON'T WANT TO SEE A GRAB OF PUBLIC LAND. 
          I WANT IT KILLED. I WANT THE KIBOSH. PUT ON IT. 
          LET IT SLEEP WITH THE FISHES, END IT, TANK IT,
BLOW IT UP TO SMITHEREENS. 
          SEND IT TO HELL. STOP WASTING OUR MONEY. STOP WASTING OUR MONEY. 
          AND ALSO TO BE ON TIME. TO BE EARLY IS TO BE ON TIME. 
          TO BE ON TIME IS TO BE LATE. TO BE LATE IS UNACCEPTABLE. 
          STARTED THIS MEETING 45 MINUTES LATE. AND HALF OF Y'ALL HAVE BEEN ON YOUR PHONES THIS
ENTIRE TIME. 
          AND DON'T LOOK AT THE SPEAKERS AS THEY'RE SPEAKING. 
          HOW DARE Y'ALL! AND WE WILL HOUND Y'ALL IN THE NEXT ELECTIONS IF YOU VOTE FOR THIS. 
          THAT'S TRUE. I'LL BE BACK THIS AFTERNOON. WE HAVE A RULE AGAINST OUTBURSTS,
AND WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU TO FOLLOW THOSE RULES. 
          OKAY. THANKS. CHRISTOPHER SUPRUN. CHRISTOPHER SUPRUN IS NOT PRESENT. 
          MR. MAYOR, THIS CONCLUDES YOUR OPEN MICROPHONE SPEAKERS FOR THIS MEETING. 
          ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR VOTING AGENDA. THANK YOU,
MR. 
          [VOTING AGENDA]
MAYOR. WE'LL BEGIN WITH AGENDA ITEM ONE APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 4TH,
2026 CITY COUNCIL MEETING. 
          I HEARD A MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. 
          ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. 
          NEXT ITEM. AGENDA ITEM TWO IS CONSIDERATION OF APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THIS
MORNING. 
          YOU HAVE JUST INDIVIDUAL APPOINTMENTS YOUR NOMINEES FOR INDIVIDUAL APPOINTMENTS TO THE
CITIZEN HOMELESSNESS COMMISSION. 
          MARLA HOGARTH IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER BLAIR. 
          MISS HOGARTH MEETS THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM A FAITH BASED ORGANIZATION,
SPECIAL QUALIFICATION COMMISSION ON DISABILITIES. 
          CARRIE PARKS IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA. 
          MISS PARKS MEETS THE COMMITTED TO COMMUNITY OF DISABLED PERSONS SPECIAL QUALIFICATION AND
TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. 
          KENDRA KAYE JONES IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCILMEMBER BLAIR. 
          THESE ARE YOUR NOMINEES, MR. MAYOR. IS THERE A MOTION? SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. I. I HEARD A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR,
SAY AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. NEXT ITEM. MR. MAYOR, YOUR BRIEFING CONTINUES. ALL RIGHT. WELL,
WE'RE GOING TO LET ME READ YOU SOME STATUTORY LANGUAGE, 
          [CLOSED SESSIONS]
AND WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          IT'S 11:22 A.M. ON MARCH 4TH, 2026. THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WILL NOW GO INTO CLOSED
SESSION UNDER SECTION 551 .07. 
          ONE OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT ON THE FOLLOWING MATTER DESCRIBED IN TODAY'S AGENDA
ITEM NUMBER THREE UNDER SECTIONS FIVE, 51.071 AND 551 .072 OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT ON THE FOLLOWING MATTER DESCRIBED ON
TODAY'S AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR UNDER SECTION 551 .089 OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT. ON THE FOLLOWING MATTER DESCRIBED ON TODAY'S AGENDA. 
          ITEM NUMBER FIVE UNDER SECTION FIVE, 51.074 OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT. 
          ON THE FOLLOWING MATTER DESCRIBED ON TODAY'S AGENDA,
ITEM NUMBER SIX. 
          AND WITH THAT, WE WILL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          STAND AT RECESS UNTIL NOON. THANK YOU. 
          [01:35:09]
OKAY. THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING HAS COMPLETED ITS CLOSED SESSION UNDER SECTIONS 551 .0715, 51.0725, 51.074 AND 551 .089 OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT. AND AT 1:11 P.M. 
          ON MARCH 4TH, 2026. WE'VE RETURNED TO OPEN SESSION. 
          WE ARE NOW GOING TO TAKE A RECESS TO ALLOW A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING TO BE CALLED TO ORDER
AND TO HEAR PUBLIC SPEAKERS. 
          IT IS 1:11 P.M. AND WE WILL RETURN AFTER THE REGISTERED SPEAKERS ARE HEARD AT THE SPECIAL
CALLED CITY COUNCIL MEETING. 
          ALL RIGHT. WE ARE NOW BACK IN OUR REGULAR BRIEFING MEETING,
AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE CITY MANAGER. 
          [BRIEFINGS]
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH, MR. MAYOR. I WANTED TO FIRST OF ALL,
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. 
          WE ARE READY TO PRESENT YOU WITH SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. 
          FOLLOWING THE FINANCE COMMITTEE AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE MEETINGS. WE DO
WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT THE PROCESS CONTINUES, AS WE BELIEVE, TO SHAPE THE IDENTITY OF OUR CITY,
HONORING THE HISTORY, SAFEGUARDING OUR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITIES, AND STRENGTHENING THE WAY WE DELIVER SERVICES WHILE ALSO SECURING THE LONG TERM NEEDS OF
OUR RESIDENTS. 
          I WANT TO THANK THE CITY COUNCIL FOR YOUR ROBUST FEEDBACK OVER THESE PAST FEW WEEKS ABOUT
THE STATE OF CITY HALL. 
          THROUGH YOUR DUE DILIGENCE, YOUR THOUGHTFUL,
IN-DEPTH DISCUSSIONS SURROUNDING THIS MONUMENTAL PROCESS IS HOW WE GOT HERE TODAY. 
          I DO WANT TO ALSO EXTEND MY APPRECIATION TO THE EXTERNAL TEAM OF PROFESSIONALS. 
          THESE ARE EXPERTS WHO HAVE DEVOTED THOUSANDS OF HOURS OF WORK,
COUNTLESS PHONE CALLS, TOURS, ONE ON ONE MEETINGS WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS IN A COLLABORATIVE WAY TO ENSURE THAT YOU GET THE
INFORMATION THAT YOU DESERVE AS CHARGED BY THE MAYOR. 
          LAST YEAR, THE FINANCE COMMITTEE INITIATED A PROCESS THEREBY DIRECTING ME AS CITY MANAGER
TO BEGIN TO LOOK AT A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF CITY HALL. 
          AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID. WE MADE IT A PRIORITY. 
          WE MOVED WITH A SENSE OF URGENCY BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE,
THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO KICK DOWN THE ROAD. 
          INDEPENDENT EXPERTS APPLIED NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED INDUSTRY STANDARDS AND METHODOLOGIES TO
DEVELOP THE REPORT THAT HAS BEEN DISTRIBUTED, AND IT IS A PUBLIC REPORT, AND IT IS ON A MICROSITE WHERE ANYONE CAN SEE ALL OF THE DATA
AND ALL OF THE DOCUMENTATION. 
          TODAY'S CONVERSATION IS NOT A DEBATE ABOUT WHETHER WE VALUE OUR HISTORY. 
          WE DO, AND IT IS NOT A DEBATE ABOUT WHETHER WE CARE ABOUT OUR FUTURE. 
          WE DO. WE VALUE EVERY PERSPECTIVE AND WE HAVE BEEN RESPONSIVE TO THIS COUNCIL AS WE
CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THE COUNCIL'S GUIDANCE THROUGH THIS PROCESS. WE UNDERSTAND THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT COMPONENT,
AND WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S ESSENTIAL. 
          FOLLOWING THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM YOU TODAY,
WE ARE PREPARED TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THIS CITY COUNCIL, WITH ALL OF OUR STAKEHOLDERS TO ENSURE THAT OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS IS ROBUST AND
THAT IT DOES CREATE DIALOG AND NOT MONOLOGUE. 
          FIRST, AT THE REQUEST OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE,
WE DO BELIEVE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT SURVEY. 
          WE ARE PREPARED TO DO THAT. WE BELIEVE THAT IT WILL GIVE US INPUT WHILE WE HEAR FROM THE
COMMUNITY. 
          WE HEAR FROM OUR RESIDENTS ABOUT THE ATTRIBUTES AND THE CHARACTERISTICS THAT YOU BELIEVE
ARE IMPORTANT IN A REIMAGINED GOVERNMENT, WHETHER IT'S HERE OR IT'S SOMEWHERE ELSE. WE KNOW THAT THE BUSINESS NEEDS OF THIS CITY
HAVE CHANGED OVER THE YEARS, AND WE ALSO KNOW THAT THE WAY THAT THIS BUILDING IS CURRENTLY UTILIZED HAS ALSO CHANGED. 
          WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO INVITE THE BROADER PUBLIC,
INCLUDING MEMBERS OF OUR DESIGN COMMUNITY, ALL OF OUR CIVIC PARTNERS, TO SHARE THEIR IDEAS OF WHAT YOU REALLY DO BELIEVE,
WHERE WE SHOULD BE. 
          WE THINK THAT BOTH OF THESE CONVERSATIONS DESERVE CREATIVITY AND TRANSPARENCY AND THE TIME
NECESSARY, AND WE ARE COMMITTED TO DOING THAT. TO BE CLEAR,
WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTS TODAY, BUT TODAY IS NOT THE FINISH LINE. 
          TODAY'S DISCUSSION IS TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DIRECTION FOR THE TEAM SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO
GATHER INFORMATION. 
          IT DOES NOT BIND THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT THE FUTURE OF CITY
HALL IS NOT LOCATED HERE. 
          WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT ADDITIONAL MARKET DATA THAT YOU'VE ASKED US FOR THAT WE BELIEVE
CAN BE BENEFICIAL IN HOW YOU CONTINUE TO EVALUATE THE OPTIONS. 
          WE ALSO WANT TO SHARE THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GET THROUGH THE SURVEY,
AND ENSURE THAT YOU HAVE ALL OF THE COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS THAT YOU NEED TO HELP GUIDE THIS DECISION. BUT TODAY, AGAIN, IS NOT THE FINISH LINE. 
          WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. 
          SO TODAY WE HAVE SOME SUPPLEMENTAL SLIDES THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED BY THIS TEAM. 
          THESE ARE ADDITIONAL TOPICS THAT WE WERE ASKED TO PRESENT THROUGH THE ONE ON ONE
COMMUNICATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE CITY COUNCIL OVER THE LAST WEEK, 
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AND AT THIS TIME, I DO WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION,
TO PROVIDE, TO INTRODUCE OUR TEAM AND TO ENSURE THAT AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD,
WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE RESPONSIVE AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO BE AT THE TABLE WORKING WITH THE CITY COUNCIL THROUGH THIS PROCESS. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR JOHNSON, CITY MANAGER,
MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU TODAY. 
          MY NAME IS LINDA MCMAHON AND I SERVE AS THE CEO OF THE DALLAS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
CORPORATION. 
          WE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY FOR THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS,
WITH THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF HOURS OF WORK INVESTED BY A REALLY INCREDIBLE QUALIFIED AND GREAT TEAM WITH STRONG INTEGRITY AND DEFINITELY STRONG CREDENTIALS TO BE
ABLE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE REQUESTED. 
          TODAY, WE'RE PROVIDING A FOLLOW UP TO THE PRESENTATION DELIVERED TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE
ON MONDAY, FEBRUARY 23RD. SINCE THAT BRIEFING, WE HAVE CONDUCTED ONE ON ONE MEETINGS WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS, AT THEIR REQUEST, WITH MEMBERS OF THE TECHNICAL TEAM SO THAT THEY COULD
PROVIDE YOU WITH THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN ASKING AND TO ENSURE THAT WE ADDRESS THEM THOROUGHLY AND DIRECTLY. WE PROVIDED AS MUCH TIME AS YOU ALLOWED US TO BE
ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU FOR ALL OF THE QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. 
          WE CONTINUE TO BE READY TO STAND, READY TO ANSWER ANY MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU MAY
HAVE. 
          TODAY WE'LL RESPOND TO SEVERAL REMAINING ITEMS FOR COUNCIL CONSIDERATION AND DISCUSSION. 
          SPECIFICALLY, WILL PROVIDE INFORMATION REGARDING PEER MUNICIPALITIES 911 AND EMERGENCY
OPERATIONS LOCATIONS. 
          WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE CURRENT TECHNOLOGY INFRASTRUCTURE AT CITY HALL COMPARED
WITH THE ESTIMATED IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED. 
          EXPANDED DETAILS FROM THE ASBESTOS REPORT, A REAL ESTATE MARKET SUMMARY PRESENTED BY PETER
JANSEN OF CBRE. 
          CBRE WILL LEAD PORTIONS OF THE PRESENTATION,
AND REPRESENTATIVES FROM NTI ARE ALSO AVAILABLE ONLINE TO ADDRESS ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS ON THE TECHNOLOGY INFRASTRUCTURE. WE ALSO ARE PREPARED TO ANSWER FURTHER QUESTIONS
REGARDING CITY HALL REPAIR WORK AND ASSOCIATED COST ESTIMATES. 
          STEPHEN DUONG AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE TEAM ARE HERE AND ALSO ONLINE EXPERTS FROM SCHMIDT
AND STACY. 
          URBAN STRUCTURES ACCESS BY DESIGN AND BELHAVEN,
AVAILABLE BOTH IN PERSON AND ONLINE TO ASSIST WITH YOUR QUESTIONS. 
          WE UNDERSTAND THE DECISIONS BEFORE YOU ARE SIGNIFICANT,
AND WE WILL HAVE AND WILL HAVE A LASTING IMPACT ON THE CITY OF DALLAS. 
          WE DEEPLY RESPECT THE COUNCIL'S PROCESS AND ARE COMMITTED TO PROVIDING THE INFORMATION YOU
NEED TO THOUGHTFULLY CONSIDER THE FUTURE OF CITY HALL. 
          AT THIS TIME, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO ROBERT URIBE TO SHARE INFORMATION REGARDING EMERGENCY
SERVICES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, MISS TOLBERT. MY NAME IS ROBERT. 
          I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT,
WHERE I OVERSEE THE 911 OPERATIONS FOR OUR CITY. 
          I'VE BEEN IN EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS FOR OVER TWO DECADES,
WORKING THROUGH LARGE MUNICIPALITIES ENSURING THAT OUR EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS CENTERS ARE OPERATIONAL, OPERATIONALLY EFFECTIVE. EARLIER IN MY CAREER,
I EVEN HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASSIST IN DESIGN AND IMPLEMENT A STATE OF THE ART REGIONAL 911 FACILITY THAT IS CURRENTLY IN OPERATION TODAY. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. NOW, IN RESPONSE TO COUNCIL'S INQUIRY ON HOUSING 911 IN THE EOC
OPERATIONS, WE'LL WALK THROUGH THE NATIONAL STANDARDS, PEER CITY COMPARISONS AND FACILITY RISK
COMPARISONS RELATED TO DALLAS. 
          SO THAT THIS RELATES TO HOW DALLAS DALLAS DECISION ON HOW TO PROCEED WITH THE FUTURE OF
EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION CENTER. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. NOW, NATIONAL GUIDANCE FOR OUR 911 PLACEMENT COMES FROM APCO AND NENA,
THE LEADING PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATIONS ORGANIZATIONS IN OUR NATION. 
          THESE STANDARDS ARE BUILT AROUND ENSURING THAT EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS ARE REMAIN
OPERATIONAL DURING ANY DISASTER AND MAJOR INCIDENTS. 
          NOW FACILITY LOCATIONS. THE DECISION ON WHERE TO LOCATE A FACILITY IS NOT JUST ABOUT THE
BUILDING DECISION. 
          IT DIRECTLY IMPACTS OUR ABILITY TO ANSWER 911 CALLS WHEN CITIZENS NEED US THE MOST. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THE NATIONAL STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN WRITTEN RECOMMEND THAT EMERGENCY
COMMUNICATION CENTERS OPERATE IN A DEDICATED OR PHYSICALLY SEPARATED FACILITY. 
          NOW, THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO ENSURE THAT 911 OPERATIONS ARE FREE FROM FIRES,
EVACUATIONS, INFRASTRUCTURE FAILURES OR SECURITY THREATS AFFECTING OTHER BUILDING FUNCTIONS. 
          SIMPLY PUT, THE STANDARD OUTLINE THE STANDARDS OUTLINED BY APCO AND NENA INDICATE THAT
EMERGENCY OPERATIONS ARE BETTER SERVED IN A SECURE AND HARDENED FACILITY, WHICH ENSURES COMMUNITY ENSURES CONTINUOUS EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS FOR OUR CITY. 
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NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. WHEN COMPARING DALLAS TO PEER CITIES,
MOST JURISDICTIONS HAVE ALREADY MOVED THEIR NINE ONE CENTERS INTO STANDALONE OR SEPARATE FACILITIES. DALLAS REMAINS AN EXCEPTION. 
          WE'RE HOUSING MULTIPLE CRITICAL EMERGENCY FUNCTIONS WITHIN OUR CITY HALL. 
          NOW, THIS CAN CREATE A CONCENTRATION OF OPERATIONAL RISK AND HIGHLIGHTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
ALIGN WITH MODERN PUBLIC SAFETY PRACTICES. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND NOW I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO PETER JANSEN WITH CBRE TO TALK ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCIL MEMBERS. WE HAVE NTI ON THE PHONE ALSO SHOULD THERE BE ANY
TECHNICAL QUESTIONS. 
          BUT WE WERE ASKED TO PREPARE A SUMMARY SLIDE AND A LITTLE EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT
THE METHODOLOGY OF HOW WE ARRIVED AT THE BUDGET NUMBERS. 
          THIS WAS A HOLE IN THE ANALYSIS ORIGINALLY, AND WE POINTED THIS OUT TO THE BROADER TEAM
THAT WE DID NOT HAVE APPROPRIATE INSIGHT AND BUDGET METRICS FOR THIS PARTICULAR COMPONENT OF AN OVERALL BUDGET PROCESS. 
          SO WE WERE ABLE TO ENGAGE NTI AND BRING THEM ON. 
          AND THEY'RE A NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED INTEGRATOR. 
          THEY SPENT ALMOST 400 HOURS OF ANALYSIS, ENGAGING WITH STAFF FIRST AND FOREMOST,
TO UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS AND THE PERFORMANCE SPECS FOR ANY FUTURE STATE, WHETHER IN THIS BUILDING OR ANOTHER BUILDING. 
          SO THEY WERE ABLE TO PREPARE THESE AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE SUMMARIES HERE ON THE LEFT SIDE
THEY'VE, THEY'VE IDENTIFIED DEFICIENCIES. AND ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS THE ESTIMATED IMPROVEMENTS AND
THE BUDGET FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS TO FUNCTION IN A MODERN STATE. 
          WITH THAT, I'LL ASK OUR COLLEAGUES AT NTI TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THEIR BACKGROUND
AND THEIR ANALYSIS. 
          HI, MY NAME IS CAMERON MYERS. I'M WITH NATIONAL TECHNOLOGY INTEGRATORS. 
          I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH PETER IN THE BACKGROUND TO HELP THEM PUT TOGETHER ALL THIS
INFORMATION OVER THE LAST 400 HOURS. 
          SO CBRE WAS BROUGHT IN AS THE INDEPENDENT TECHNOLOGY EXPERT TO PROVIDE WRONG PRICING
ACROSS 8 TO 10 STAY VERSUS RELOCATE SCENARIOS. 
          JUST KEEP IN MIND THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY A COMPETITIVE BID. 
          WE WERE SELECTED BASED ON NATIONAL, MUNICIPAL AND GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE. 
          OUR SCOPE COVERS AV NETWORK, LOW VOLTAGE AND SECURITY. 
          AND THEN THE EOC WAS BROKEN OUT AS A SEPARATE PRICE. 
          SO WE WERE ASKED ESSENTIALLY TO TELL THE CITY WHAT THE RIGHT SOLUTION ACTUALLY COSTS. 
          EVERY LINE ITEM THAT IS SHOWN HERE TRACES TO A CITY STATED REQUIREMENT OR A 24 OVER SEVEN
OPERATIONAL REALITY. 
          CURRENT CITY HALL RUNS ON A SINGLE INDEPENDENT DISTRIBUTION FRAME,
WHICH IS KNOWN AS LIKE A SERVER CLOSET OR FLOOR. 
          THE TYPICAL STANDARD THESE DAYS CALLS FOR TWO WHICH WILL DOUBLE THE OVERALL TELECOM ROOM
COUNT FROM 15 TO 30. 
          THAT DOUBLES THE NUMBER OF SWITCHING EQUIPMENT,
FIBER RUNS, AND PHYSICAL SECURITY ON EACH FLOOR. 
          AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A CITY MANDATED THING. BOTH DIRECTIONS FOR BADGING AND BADGE
REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL 30 IDF AND MDF ROOMS. IS REQUIRED FOR ACCOUNTABILITY ON SECURED INFRASTRUCTURE ROOMS. AND IT'S NOT REALLY AN OPTION FOR A FACILITY OF THIS CLASSIFICATION. 
          FOR 24 OVER SEVEN MISSION CRITICAL REDUNDANCY. 
          THE 911311 EOC AND SECURITY COMMAND CANNOT GO DOWN. 
          THAT DRIVES REDUNDANCY REQUIREMENTS THAT A STANDARD COMMERCIAL RENOVATION SIMPLY JUST DOES
NOT CARRY. 
          THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR CONCURRENT OPERATIONS DURING MIGRATION. 
          THE CITY JUST CAN'T FLIP A SWITCH. SYSTEMS MUST RUN IN PARALLEL WHILE THE STAFF
TRANSITIONS FROM THE EXISTING BUILDING WHICH WILL REQUIRE DUAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND DUAL COMMISSIONING. LASTLY THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND EOC ARE BROADCAST FACILITIES,
NOT STANDARD CONFERENCE ROOMS. INTEGRATION WITH EXISTING CITY PRODUCTION EQUIPMENT AND MULTI-CAMERA SWITCHING,
STREAMING AND ARCHIVAL INFORMATION ADDS A REAL COMPLEXITY THAT GENERIC AV PRICING DOES NOT TYPICALLY REFLECT. WE WERE ASKED ESSENTIALLY TO PROVIDE AN HONEST NUMBER FOR ALL THE
IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE DISCUSSED DURING THE DISCOVERY PROCESS, AND THIS IS THE NUMBER THAT WE CAME UP WITH,
AND IT'S A PRETTY FAIR NUMBER WE FEEL. 
          THANK YOU. CAMERON. TO FORM A SECOND OPINION ON THAT,
CBRE MAINTAINS EXCELLENT CURRENT COSTING INFORMATION FROM THE 
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VARIETY OF PROJECTS WE MANAGE FOR CLIENTS ACROSS GREATER DFW AND AROUND THE COUNTRY. 
          SO WE TOOK THE NTI NUMBERS AND THEN COMPARED THEM TO RECENT DELIVERABLES RECENTLY
DELIVERED PROJECTS TO SEE IF THOSE NUMBERS RECONCILED. AND THEY DO WE'VE ACTUALLY ADJUSTED THEM DOWN SLIGHTLY INTO THE
OVERALL MODEL. 
          SO YOU SEE HERE A NUMBER THAT'S ABOUT $40 MILLION GIVE OR TAKE. 
          AND WE ADJUSTED THAT DOWN IN THE LOW COST MODEL THAT HAS BEEN CARRYING IN THE PUBLIC
CONVERSATION. 
          SO WE TRIED TO CREATE A REASONABILITY TEST COMPARE IT TO OTHER PROJECTS,
AND ULTIMATELY ARRIVE AT A CONSENSUS AROUND THE APPROPRIATE BUDGET NUMBER TO CARRY. 
          SO WITH THAT SAID, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL SECTION OF THE SLIDES. 
          CBRE WAS ASKED TO PERFORM AN ESA PHASE ONE, AND WE COMPLETED THAT. 
          IN ADDITION TO THE ESA PHASE ONE, WE DID AN ASBESTOS STUDY. 
          WE PARTNERED WITH US TO EXECUTE THIS WORK. THE FINDINGS FROM THE ESA PHASE ONE RECOMMENDED
PHASE TWO TO DO SITE LEVEL DISCOVERY. 
          BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE PHASE ONE RECOMMENDED THE ASBESTOS TESTING AND THE TESTING WAS
COMPLETED AND WAS FOUND THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING IN VARIOUS LOCATIONS. 
          WE'VE PREPARED TWO SUMMARY SLIDES HERE RELATED TO THAT. 
          GIVEN THE DISCUSSION LAST WEEK, I'LL ASK MY COLLEAGUE BRIAN WASSERSTEIN TO SPEAK TO THE
SUMMARY SLIDES. 
          THANKS, PETER. HELLO, I'M BRIAN WASSERSTEIN,
NATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL PRACTICE DIRECTOR WITH CBRE. 
          HERE YOU HAVE A SUMMARY OF THE ASBESTOS CONTAINING BUILDING MATERIALS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED
IN THE CITY HALL BUILDING. 
          GENERALLY THREE CATEGORIES. THE FIRST IS FLOORING MATERIALS AND OTHER SURFACE FINISHES. 
          SO WE FOUND VINYL FLOOR TILES AND ASSOCIATED MASTICS THAT CONTAINED ASBESTOS,
ALSO CERAMIC FLOORING AND CERAMIC WALL TILES. 
          THE MORTAR ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE WAS FOUND TO CONTAIN ASBESTOS. 
          AND LASTLY IN THAT CATEGORY ARE THE MASTIC MATERIAL THAT ADHERES CEILING TILES ON THE L-1
FLOOR OF THE BUILDING. 
          IN TERMS OF HVAC MATERIALS, THERE WAS HVAC DUCT. 
          MASTIC IDENTIFIED A BEIGE MASTIC THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE DUCTWORK ABOVE CEILINGS
THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING. 
          AND THEN ALSO IN TERMS OF THERMAL SYSTEM INSULATIONS,
THERE IS A HARD PACKED PIPE INSULATION AND A FOUR INCH PIPE INSULATION THAT WAS FOUND IN AREAS OF THE BUILDING. NOTABLY THOSE THOSE LAST TWO MATERIALS ARE FRIABLE,
MEANING THEY'RE LIKELY TO BE BECOME AIRBORNE AND BE A POTENTIAL RISK TO HUMAN HEALTH. BRIAN, YOU LOST YOUR CAMERA. 
          CAN YOU TURN YOUR CAMERA BACK ON, PLEASE? CAN YOU SEE ME NOW? I BELIEVE I HAVE VIDEO. NOW WE CAN SEE YOU. 
          OKAY. SO THE THE SECOND SLIDE HERE WAS PUT TOGETHER TO ADDRESS QUESTIONS ABOUT COMPARING
ABATEMENT OF ASBESTOS CONTAINING MATERIALS WHILE A BUILDING IS OCCUPIED VERSUS A VACANT BUILDING. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY RISK TO EXPOSURE OF ASBESTOS IF THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE
OCCUPIED. 
          YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS IS THAT IF THE BUILDING WILL BE OCCUPIED WHEN ASBESTOS
ABATEMENT OCCURS, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT TO TO POST NOTICES ON THE BUILDING AT THE ENTRANCES TO THE BUILDING
THAT THERE WILL BE AN ABATEMENT OCCURRING IN THE BUILDING. 
          ALSO HAVING THE BUILDING BE OCCUPIED LIMITS THE ABILITY TO PERFORM EXPLORATORY DEMOLITION
INSIDE OF A BUILDING. 
          YOU KNOW, THE ASBESTOS SURVEY THAT WAS PERFORMED WAS PERFORMED BY COLLECTING SAMPLES OF
SUSPECT MATERIALS IN ACCESSIBLE AREAS. 
          THE SURVEY DID NOT INCLUDE SAMPLING OF MATERIALS THAT ARE IN BUILDING YOU KNOW,
BEHIND SOLID WALLS AND WITHIN CHASES, MECHANICAL CHASES OF THE BUILDING. THAT,
THAT TYPE OF EXPLORATORY DEMOLITION IS STANDARD INDUSTRY PRACTICE BEFORE AN ABATEMENT OCCURS TO AVOID CHANGE ORDERS. AND HAVING THE BUILDING REMAIN OCCUPIED LIMITS
THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. 
          ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE THE SETUP OF THE WORK AREAS FOR ASBESTOS ABATEMENT IS A CRITICAL
COMPONENT OF AN ABATEMENT PROJECT. 
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YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL IDEA IS TO PLACE THE AREA WHERE YOU WANT TO REMOVE THE ASBESTOS
INSIDE OF OF PLASTIC SHEETING, PUT IT UNDER NEGATIVE AIR PRESSURE. AND WHEN A BUILDING REMAINS OCCUPIED,
IT LIMITS THE ABILITY TO SET UP THOSE WORK AREAS AND CAN ADD ADDITIONAL COSTS. YOU KNOW, IT CAN REQUIRE ADDITIONAL WORK AREAS TO BE SET UP FOR THE SAME
MATERIALS ON A SINGLE FLOOR. 
          AND IT CAN ADD SOME COMPLEXITY TO HOW THE ASSOCIATED FILTRATION SYSTEMS AND
DECONTAMINATION AREAS ARE SET UP. 
          ALSO, A LOT OF ABATEMENT CONTRACTORS OPT TO PERFORM THE ABATEMENT ITSELF DURING OFF HOURS, WHICH WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO OVERTIME AND THE COST OF THE ABATEMENT. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, THERE IS OBVIOUSLY A RISK OF EXPOSURE OF ASBESTOS TO THE PUBLIC IF THE
BUILDING WILL REMAIN OCCUPIED. 
          YOU KNOW, QUALIFIED ABATEMENT CONTRACTORS KNOW HOW TO SET UP THESE WORK AREAS SO THAT
THERE WILL NOT BE THE MIGRATION OF ASBESTOS FIBERS FROM INSIDE OF THE REGULATED WORK AREA TO AREAS OUTSIDE OF IT. 
          BUT MISTAKES HAPPEN. THERE'S THERE'S JUST GENERALLY MORE RISK WHEN THE BUILDING REMAINS
OCCUPIED. 
          AND ALSO IT ADDS TO THE COMPLEXITY OF COMPLETING THE FINAL CLEARANCE,
AIR SAMPLING THAT IS REQUIRED AFTER MATERIALS ARE ABATED FROM THE REGULATED WORK AREA. THE GENERAL IDEA IS THAT YOU REMOVE ALL OF THE ASBESTOS INSIDE OF THE WORK AREA. 
          YOU CLEAN ALL OF THE MATERIALS AND SURFACES WITHIN THE AREA,
AND THEN YOU RUN AIR SAMPLES TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE'S NO ASBESTOS FIBERS REMAINING. 
          IF THE BUILDING IS OCCUPIED AND THERE'S STILL PEOPLE MOVING AROUND OUTSIDE OF THAT
REGULATED WORK AREA, AND DUST OR ANY OTHER MATERIALS ARE KICKED UP THAT CAN CONTRIBUTE AND COMPLICATE THE FINAL
CLEARANCE. 
          AIR SAMPLE CAUSING DELAYS AND AND ADDED COSTS. 
          THANK YOU BRIAN. THANK YOU PETER. THE LAST MESSAGE WE RECEIVED LAST WEEK WAS TO DISCLOSE A
LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE MARKET STUDY. AND SO WE PREPARED A COMPARATIVE COST ANALYSIS TO DEMONSTRATE THE DIRECTIONAL
FINDINGS OF THE MARKET ENGAGEMENT. 
          IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE THANK YOU. SO A COUPLE KEY POINTS HERE. 
          THE COMPARATIVE COST NUMBERS ARE PREDICATED ON NON-NEGOTIATED SAMPLES. 
          WE DISCLOSED THAT WE HAD DOZENS OF PROPOSALS. 
          WE PICKED A HANDFUL HERE TO GENERALLY PAINT A PICTURE OF THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE SEE AS A
RESULT OF THE MARKET STUDY. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS DIRECTIONAL FINDINGS. WHEN CLIENTS ASK US TO DO THIS WE'RE ASKED TO EXAMINE
IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE MARKET THAT MERITS EXPLORATION. 
          AND THE KEY FINDING FROM THIS STUDY IS THAT THERE APPEAR TO BE MULTIPLE OPTIONS THAT MERIT
EXPLORATION. 
          FINANCIALLY, WE DISCERN THAT BY LOOKING AT THE TOTAL PROJECT COST,
WHICH I UNDERSTAND, THERE ARE MANY QUESTIONS THAT WAS DERIVED FOR CITY HALL, BUT WE USED THE SAME METHODOLOGY WITH THE SAME INPUTS ACROSS ALL OF THE MARKET RESPONSES. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE COLUMN ON THE RIGHT THE TOTAL PROJECT COST OF $906 MILLION. 
          THAT'S BEEN SO VIBRANTLY DISCUSSED. AND IN THE COLUMN TO THE RIGHT OF THAT,
WITHOUT ANY VALUATION ASCRIBED TO CITY HALL OR THE LAND OR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FIGURES FACTORED IN,
YOU CAN SEE THE SAVINGS VIS A VIS THE 906 MILLION AT THESE SAMPLINGS OF LOCATIONS. 
          THERE ARE AT LEAST A HALF DOZEN THAT THAT APPEAR TO REVEAL $200 MILLION OR MORE OF
OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE. 
          ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT IS WE COULD BE OFF BY $100 MILLION AT CITY HALL. 
          AND THESE FIGURES WOULD STILL PRESENT A MATERIAL OPPORTUNITY FOR STEWARDSHIP AND SAVINGS. 
          SO THE DIRECTIONAL CONCLUSION FROM THE TEAM AFTER THE MARKET ENGAGEMENT IS THAT THERE ARE
NUMEROUS OPTIONS THAT MERIT EXPLORATION. 
          A COUPLE OTHER KEY INPUTS. SOME HAVE BROUGHT UP THE POINT THAT YOU CAN WAIT,
AND SOME HAVE SAID, MAYBE WE SHOULD HOLD BACK ON THIS FOR SOME TIME. 
          THAT IS ALWAYS AN OPTION. BUT THE KEY FINDING FROM THE MARKET IS THAT THERE ARE UNIQUE
OPPORTUNITIES NOW THAT WILL DEFINITIVELY NOT BE AVAILABLE LATER. 
          THAT'S FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. ONE, DEVELOPERS AND SOME OWNERS HAVE VERY DISTINCT PLANS
FOR THEIR BUILDINGS THAT THEY'VE PUT ON HOLD TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS. THOSE PLANS WILL COMMENCE LATER THIS YEAR. 
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THE SECOND PIECE OF THAT IS THAT THERE ARE CAPITAL MARKETS DYNAMICS. 
          MANY DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES IN THE MARKET, HAVE DEBT ROLLING OVER,
HAVE CAPITAL CONSTRAINTS OR OTHER THIRD PARTY FACTORS THAT INFLUENCE THEIR ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE IN ANY FUTURE MARKET COMPETITION. 
          SO BECAUSE OF THAT, OUR FINDINGS SUGGEST THERE ARE A POOL OF OPTIONS AVAILABLE NOW THAT
WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE LATER. 
          THAT TO US DIRECTIONALLY SUGGESTS THAT NOW IS A GOOD TIME TO BE IN THE MARKET. 
          THE HEADLINE NUMBERS AROUND VACANCY AND THE CHALLENGES OF THE OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS
DISTRICT ARE WELL KNOWN AND WELL DISCUSSED, AND OUR STUDIES CERTAINLY CONFIRM THAT. SO AS A BUYER,
AS A LESSEE, AS A JOINT VENTURE PARTNER, AS A LEASE TO PURCHASE, PARTICIPANT AGNOSTIC TO TRANSACTION STRUCTURE,
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OPPORTUNITIES THAT APPEAR TO DRIVE COST SAVINGS FOR THE CITY. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO CONTINUE ENGAGING WITH THE MARKET SINCE
THESE ARE NEGOTIATED SAMPLES. 
          OBVIOUSLY, WE'LL HAVE TO PROVE THIS UP THROUGH THE REST OF THE ENGAGEMENT. 
          AND IF WE'RE SITTING HERE 90 DAYS FROM NOW AND THE NUMBERS DON'T PAN OUT,
THAT WILL BE A KEY MARKET FINDING. 
          BUT DIRECTIONALLY, THE INPUTS ARE SOUND. WE'VE SPENT THOUSANDS OF HOURS ON THIS. 
          COLLECTIVELY WE HAVE EXCELLENT BENCHMARKS. WE HAVE VERY RECENT CONSTRUCTION COST NUMBERS. 
          AND TO THE EXTENT WHERE WE NEEDED TO ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION TO PRESENT MORE CONSERVATIVE
NUMBERS, WE'VE DONE SO. FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE SYSTEMS INVESTED COLUMN HERE, WE KNOW SOME OF THESE ASSETS HAVE BRAND NEW SYSTEMS. THAT SAID, WE'VE ADDED CONTINGENCY FACTORS TO ALL THE LOCATIONS TO ENSURE THAT WHATEVER
THE CITY DOES BY LEASE JOINT VENTURE, YOU HAVE A CONTINGENCY BUDGET FOR UNKNOWN SYSTEMS FINDINGS THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE
DURING ANY DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD. 
          SO WE'VE ERRED TO THE SIDE OF CAUTION BY ADDING COSTS,
EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THESE ASSETS AND OPPORTUNITIES HAVE BRAND NEW SYSTEMS, BRAND NEW ELEVATORS, BRAND NEW ROOFS, BRAND NEW HVAC,
BRAND NEW PLUMBING WHERE THEY ARE NOT KNOWN TO HAVE BRAND NEW SYSTEMS OR CHALLENGE SYSTEMS OR OLDER SYSTEMS. WE'VE ADDED EVEN HIGHER NUMBERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS PLENTY OF
BUDGET, AND THAT THESE NUMBERS ARE NOT GOING UP. THE NTI STUDY AROUND COSTS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. 
          IN THE $906 MILLION NUMBER WE PRESENTED AROUND CITY HALL,
WE PRESENTED A RANGE. 
          THE LOW SIDE OF THAT RANGE WAS APPLIED, NOT THE HIGH SIDE. 
          HOWEVER, IN ALL OF THESE OPTIONS YOU SEE ON THIS PAGE,
WE'VE APPLIED THE HIGH SIDE OF THE RANGE TO CREATE EVEN HIGHER NUMBERS. 
          SO THE POINT B IS NOT JUST TO CREATE HIGH NUMBERS,
IT'S TO ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION AND TO PRESENT NUMBERS THAT ARE REASONABLE AND WELL FOUNDED. WE THOROUGHLY EXPECT THESE NUMBERS TO COME DOWN ONE THROUGH NEGOTIATION AND
CREATING A COMPETITIVE MARKET. 
          AND TWO, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN SO CONSERVATIVE IN THE APPLICATION OF THE BENCHMARKS. 
          SO WITH THAT SAID I JUST WANT TO POINT BACK TO THE KEY FINDING FROM OUR MARKET STUDY,
WHICH WAS TELL THE TEAM IS NOW A GOOD TIME AND OR ARE THERE COMPELLING REASONS IN THE MARKET TO CONTINUE? AND THE DEFINITIVE FINDING WAS, YES. WE'RE VERY,
VERY LONG AWAY FROM PICKING LOCATIONS A VERY LONG WAY FROM FINALIZING DEAL STRUCTURES. 
          AND WE'RE A VERY LONG WAY FROM GETTING TO THE FINISH LINE. HOWEVER,
IN EVERY SINGLE CASE THAT I'VE BEEN ON THIS SIDE OF THE TABLE ADVISING MUNICIPALITY, IN THIS CASE WHERE THE MARKET WAS SO PROFOUNDLY FAVORABLE PROCEEDING FROM THIS STEP HAS
BEEN BENEFICIAL. 
          YOU'RE ABLE TO COLLECT MORE INFORMATION, YOU'RE ABLE TO FURTHER REFINE THESE,
AND WHEN YOU'RE ABLE TO ADVANCE THE DISCUSSION IN THAT MANNER, YOU'RE ABLE TO VERY CLEARLY GET TO A YES MOMENT,
AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO GET A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ALONG TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING YES TO, AND ALSO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NO TO. AND I FEEL LIKE AFTER THIS COMPELLING OF A FINDING
IN THE MARKET THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS DESERVE A CHANCE TO SEE WHAT ELSE IS OUT THERE AND COMPARE THAT FAVORABLY. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION. 
          ALL RIGHT. CHAIRMAN WEST, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU. MAYOR. I WANT TO START BY THANKING EVERYBODY WHO HAS TAKEN TIME TO COME SPEAK
AT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE ON MONDAY AND AND ON CITY COUNCIL TODAY AND THE MANY, MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE SENT EMAILS ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS ISSUE. 
          I THINK EVERYBODY WANTS THE BEST LONG TERM OUTCOME FOR OUR CITY. 
          AND NOT EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME SIDE OBVIOUSLY,
OF THAT. 
          BUT WE WE ALL HAVE THE SAME GOAL. I WANT TO THANK LINDA MCMAHON AND YOUR TEAM OF
PROFESSIONALS FOR PUTTING IN THE WORK SO FAR, 
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AND MY COLLEAGUES ALSO FOR YOUR YOUR GREAT QUESTIONS. 
          I THINK TO KIND OF SET THE STAGE, WE NEED TO CLARIFY SOME FACTS HERE. 
          THE VOTE THAT IS SCHEDULED FOR LATER TODAY IS NOT A VOTE TO MOVE OUT OR TO STAY IN CITY
HALL. 
          I'M GOING TO SAY THAT AGAIN. IT'S NOT A VOTE TO MOVE OUT,
AND IT'S NOT A VOTE TO STAY IN CITY HALL. 
          WE SIMPLY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION YET TO MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE YET MAKING THAT DECISION,
AND I'M NOT EVEN CLOSE TO HAVING THE INFORMATION I NEED. 
          AND I THINK MOST OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE EXPRESSED THAT AS WELL. 
          TODAY'S VOTE, INSTEAD IS GOING TO ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER TO GET US THE TWO REMAINING
PIECES OF INFORMATION WE NEED TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. 
          FIRST, WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS AND THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH POTENTIALLY RELOCATING TO A NEW
LOCATION? I IMAGINE THAT THESE COSTS ARE GOING TO BE EXTREMELY HIGH,
BUT WE CAN'T MAKE A CALL ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH CITY HALL UNTIL WE KNOW THE COST OF MOVING SOMEWHERE, SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND IF THERE ARE ANY POTENTIAL SAVINGS BY DOING SO. 
          SECONDLY, THE SECOND PIECE OF DATA TOGETHER IS WHAT KIND OF REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES
ARE THERE AROUND THIS SITE IF WE MOVE, AND ALSO IF WE STAY HERE AND WANT TO ACTIVATE THE UNUSED LAND AROUND US. 
          SO ALL OF THAT HAS GOT TO BE ANALYZED. IF YOU'RE EVER GOING TO MAKE A FINANCIAL DECISION
BETWEEN TWO OPTIONS, YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE TWO OPTIONS ARE. TODAY,
WE ONLY KNOW ONE OF THEM THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE PIECE. 
          BUT IF WE APPROVE THE FINANCE COMMITTEE'S UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION,
WE'RE GOING TO UNDERSTAND THE OTHER OPTION. 
          LASTLY, THIS VOTE WILL HELP EXPLORE A POSSIBLE MOVE OF 311911 IN EMERGENCY OPERATIONS SO
THAT OUR EMPLOYEES CAN POSSIBLY WORK IN A SAFE AND COMFORTABLE WORKING CONDITION,
NOT THE DARK, CROWDED BASEMENT THEY HAVE BEEN IN FOR DECADES. 
          THESE SERVICES HAVE NO NEED TO BE IN THE CIVIC CITY CENTER BUILDING,
AND I BELIEVE IF WE CARE ABOUT THE CONDITIONS OF OUR EMPLOYEES, WE OWE IT TO THESE PEOPLE DOING LIFE SAVING WORK TO EXPLORE POTENTIAL OPTIONS TO MOVE THEM
INTO BETTER CONDITIONS. 
          I LOOK FORWARD TO THE TO THE QUESTIONS AND THE CONVERSATION TODAY,
BUT WE OWE IT TO OUR RESIDENTS TO BE HONEST ABOUT WHAT TODAY'S VOTE IS AND IS NOT. 
          THANK YOU. OH, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. SO I KNOW IT'S EARLY CITY MANAGER FOR,
FOR BECAUSE WE JUST ASKED YOU FOR THE COMMUNITY SURVEY THAT CAME OUT DURING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE. 
          BUT DO YOU HAVE A SORT OF PLAN PLAN IN MIND FOR WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE? THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCILMEMBER WEST. 
          WE DEFINITELY WANT TO UTILIZE A A STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEY PROCESS. 
          SO WE WOULD DEFINITELY UTILIZE AN EXISTING VENDOR FOR THAT. 
          WE DO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SOME KEY QUESTIONS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ASK. 
          WE KNOW THAT THE WAY PEOPLE USE OUR BUILDING TODAY IS NOT THE SAME WAY THAT THEY USED IT
BACK IN THE THE LATE 70S, AND A LOT HAS CHANGED. SO WE REALLY WANT TO GET A GOOD PERCEPTION,
GET A GOOD PERSPECTIVE ON WAYS THAT OUR RESIDENTS CURRENTLY USE CITY HALL, WAYS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO USE CITY HALL GOING FORWARD. 
          SO WE WOULD BEGIN TO FORMULATE THOSE QUESTIONS HERE IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. 
          WOULD DEFINITELY SEND THOSE AROUND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS AN OPPORTUNITY
TO SEE THE QUESTIONS THAT WOULD GO INTO THE SURVEY, AND THE GOAL WOULD BE ABLE TO GET THAT OUT THE DOOR THIS MONTH. 
          SO WE WOULD HAVE SOME DATA THAT WE COULD BRING BACK TO YOU BEFORE THE MONTH OF MAY. OKAY. 
          VERY CRITICAL. THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT REMAIN,
AND THIS IS FOR THE TEAM ON THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE NUMBERS BY MYSELF, SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES. ARE YOU IF THIS RESOLUTION DOES GO FORWARD TODAY ARE YOU STILL
GOING TO BE COLLECTING AND WORKING THROUGH THOSE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE NUMBERS, TALKING TO COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND IF WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THEM,
YOU'RE GOING TO WORK THROUGH THEM WITH US. WE ARE PREPARED TO CONTINUE ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS. THERE IS NOT PLANNED TO DO ANY MORE WORK. 
          SO WE FEEL LIKE THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE IS COMPLETELY COMPREHENSIVE AND RELATIVE TO THE
STANDARDS THAT ARE SET BY THE RELATIVE PROFESSIONALS. 
          SO THE INTENTION NOT TO DO ANY MORE EXPLORATION,
BUT TO DO TO BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT INFORMATION AND MAKE SURE THAT THE THAT THE RELEVANT PROFESSIONALS WHO KNOW THOSE SYSTEMS ARE THE ONES
THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. I KNOW I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ASBESTOS ABATEMENT THAT'S COME. 
          I HAVE SOME GREAT QUESTIONS FROM SOME OF MY CONSTITUENTS. I'M GOING TO ONE OF MY
COLLEAGUES HAS GOT SOME OF THOSE. 
          SO I'M GOING TO WAIT UNTIL SECOND ROUND AND SEE IF THOSE GET ASKED. 
          BUT I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR THIS ROUND. 
          WHY WAS A COMPREHENSIVE GARAGE REHAB ALLOWANCE INCLUDED,
RATHER THAN JUST LIMITING IT TO TARGETED REPAIRS IN THE GARAGE. 
          LET ME TURN THAT OVER TO. I THINK THAT'S URBAN SACHSE URBAN STRUCTURE OR STEVEN,
CAN YOU ANSWER THAT? 
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STEVEN ZHANG WITH AECOM. HELLO, EVERYONE. I'LL I'LL ANSWER THAT BRIEFLY AND MAY PASS THAT
TO OUR STRUCTURAL COLLEAGUES ALSO ON THE LINE. 
          BUT AS PART OF THE FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT PROCESS WE LOOK FOR,
GENERALLY SPEAKING, IF THE SYSTEM ITSELF IS SHOWING EVIDENCE OF DETERIORATION TO THE POINT THAT IN A
MULTI-DECADE OCCUPANCY SCENARIO, DOES IT WARRANT ADDITIONAL INVESTMENT. SO PER OUR PROCESS AND ASTM GUIDELINES,
THAT MEANS WE'RE LOOKING AT A CAPITAL REINVESTMENT STRATEGY INTO THE GARAGE, NOT AD HOC REPAIRS. THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT PROCESS AND WOULD NOT FOLLOW OUR GUIDELINES
THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING FOR THIS SPECIFIC PROCESS. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN RIDLEY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. REFERRING TO SLIDE NINE. 
          YOU PROPOSE HERE COSTS FOR MANY NEW SECURITY,
AV IT AND CELLULAR IMPROVEMENTS TO CITY HALL. HOW MANY OF THESE ARE AVAILABLE IN THE COMMERCIAL
OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT YOU INDICATED ON A LATER SLIDE? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. 
          I'M GOING TO ANSWER THIS TWO WAYS. AND SO THE CHARGE WAS TO IDENTIFY THE PRESCRIPTIVE
NEEDS FOR THE CITY AS AN OCCUPANT, NOT TO ANALYZE ALL OF THE BUILDINGS IN TERMS OF THEIR CURRENTLY
AVAILABLE SYSTEM. 
          THE I AGREE WITH YOUR THE PREMISE OF YOUR QUESTION IN THAT THESE ARE MOST LIKELY NOT
AVAILABLE AT THESE MARKET OPTIONS. 
          HOWEVER WE DO KNOW BECAUSE OF THE QUESTIONS WE'VE ASKED THE MARKET SO FAR THAT MANY OF THE
OPTIONS DO HAVE SUPERIOR IT AND SUPERIOR SYSTEMS AND FIBER, ETC.. BUT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ABLE TO EXAMINE THEM YET,
IT WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE AT THIS STAGE OF THE PROCESS. 
          IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN THE NEXT STEPS TO ASK THEM MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT. 
          WE APPLIED THESE BLANKET BUDGET NUMBERS TO ALL MARKET OPTIONS SO THAT WE'RE NOT IN OTHER
WORDS, JUST LOOKING AT A ROSY SCENARIO AT THE MARKET OPTIONS AND ASSUMING THAT THEY HAVE THINGS
THAT WE THAT WE WOULD NEED. 
          SO THOSE NUMBERS ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE SLIDE OF COMPARATIVE OFFICE OPTIONS ON SLIDE 14. 
          NO, SIR. THAT'S INCORRECT. THAT $40 MILLION NUMBER IS CARRIED IN ALL OF THOSE
COMPREHENSIVE BUDGET NUMBERS. 
          WHAT IS THAT? 40 MILLION COVER ALL OF THESE FUNCTIONS. 
          SO THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COST SAVINGS IF SOME OF THESE MARKET OPTIONS HAVE SOME OF
THESE SYSTEMS EXISTING. 
          THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, CELL REPEATERS AND DAS FAIRLY COMMON IN COMMERCIAL SPACES. 
          SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE MONEY IF THEY ALREADY HAVE THEM,
BUT WE ASSUME THAT NONE OF THE OPTIONS HAVE THESE. 
          THEREFORE, WE APPLIED THAT $40 MILLION BUDGET NUMBER TO ALL OF THEM. 
          SO HAVE YOU DONE A PARTICULARIZED INSPECTION OF THOSE OPTIONS TO DETERMINE THAT THEY ALL
HAVE FRESH NEW SYSTEMS? NO, SIR. THAT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN APPROPRIATE AT THIS STAGE. 
          WELL, I'M CONCERNED THAT THIS TABLE IS NOT COMPARING APPLES WITH APPLES. 
          IT'S COMPARING APPLES WITH ORANGES. YOU INDICT CITY HALL ON ONE PAGE. 
          AND FOR ITS LACK OF MODERN EQUIPMENT AND MODERN SYSTEMS. AND YET YOU PRESENT ALTERNATIVES, AND YOU CAN'T TELL US THAT THEY HAVE MODERN SYSTEMS THAT
HAVE JUST BEEN REPLACED. 
          WE AGREE WITH THAT. BUT THAT'S WHY WE APPLIED THE $40 MILLION NUMBER TO ALL OF THE MARKET
OPTIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS IN THE HOLISTIC MODEL. 
          SO WE'RE ASSUMING THEY DON'T HAVE THEM. AND THEREFORE WE INCLUDED THE BUDGET TO BE
CONSERVATIVE. 
          IF THEY END UP HAVING THEM THEN THAT'S A BONUS. 
          AND WHAT'S THAT $40 MILLION BUDGET BASED ON THE 400 HOURS OF ANALYSIS THAT THE TEAM DID
WITH CITY STAFF TO DETERMINE WHAT EXACTLY WHAT LEVEL OF SYSTEM REPLACEMENT DOES THAT COVER? PETER, I'M HAPPY TO TOUCH ON THAT, PLEASE. EVERY DOLLAR ON OUR SLIDE REPLACES SOMETHING
THAT EITHER DOESN'T EXIST, IS END OF LIFE, OR CREATES A LIABILITY. THE CURRENT BUILDING HAS EFFECTIVELY NO MODERN
TECHNOLOGY INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THE CITY HAS BEEN RUNNING ON LEGACY SYSTEMS FOR DECADES. 
          THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY A RENOVATION BUDGET, IT'S A FULL BUILD OUT BUDGET. 
          YOU CAN COMPARE IT TO WHAT A NEW CLASS A GOVERNMENT FACILITY OF THIS SIZE AND MISSION
WOULD COST TO EQUIP FROM SCRATCH. 
          AND THESE NUMBERS ARE VERY DEFENSIBLE DOWN TO EACH LINE ITEM. 
          WELL, THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT THESE OPTIONS ARE NOT BRAND NEW CLASS A SPACE. 
          THEY'RE ALL 40 OR MORE YEARS OLD, SO THEIR SYSTEMS ARE APPROXIMATELY THE SAME AGE AS CITY
HALLS, 
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UNLESS THEY HAVE RECENTLY BEEN REPLACED. AND I'M JUST TRYING TO DETERMINE IF 40 MILLION IS
ENOUGH TO COVER REPLACEMENT OF ALL SYSTEMS IN NEWLY OCCUPIED SPACE. WELL, OUR OPINION AND ASSUMPTION IS THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT
SYSTEMS. SO THEREFORE WE'VE APPLIED THE SAME BUDGET NUMBER. 
          BUT ANECDOTALLY I'LL SHARE. WE'VE, WE'VE ASKED THESE QUESTIONS OF MANY OF THE BUILDING
OWNERS AND OPTIONS. 
          AND THEIR SYSTEMS ARE CERTAINLY MORE MODERN THAN WHAT IS EXISTING AT CITY HALL. 
          AND SPEAKING OF SLIDE 14, THE SAVINGS THAT YOU INDICATE,
WHAT TIME PERIOD IS THAT OVER? THIS TABLE DOESN'T INDICATE AT THE SAME TIME PERIOD THAT WAS APPLIED TO THE $906 MILLION
NUMBER FOR CITY HALL, WHICH IS A 20 YEAR PERIOD. YES. SO THIS INCLUDES THE SAME FINANCING COSTS WHERE NECESSARY. 
          IT'S THE HOLISTIC MODEL. EVEN IN THE CASE OF,
LIKE, A CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND SPECIALTY PLAZA, WE'VE APPLIED A BLANKET $25 MILLION ALLOCATION OR $1,000 A FOOT,
WHICH IS APPROPRIATE FOR A TROPHY SPACE. 
          ON 25,000FT ACROSS ALL OF THE OPTIONS. SO, AGAIN,
WE'VE BEEN VERY CONSERVATIVE BY DESIGN BECAUSE WE DID NOT WANT ANYONE TO BE ABLE TO SAY YOU PRESENTED LOW COST HERE AND HIGH COST HERE,
AND THAT'S NOT FAIR. 
          THESE ARE APPLES TO APPLES. WELL, LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ABOUT THAT. 
          YOU INCLUDE IN THE $906 MILLION FIGURE FOR CITY HALL,
$329 MILLION FOR CORRECTIVE REPAIRS. 
          CORRECT. THAT'S THE FINDING FROM THE COLLECTIVE TEAM. 
          YES. AND THAT INCLUDES $64 MILLION FOR STRUCTURAL REPAIRS,
DOES IT NOT? I'LL ANSWER ON BEHALF OF THE BROADER TEAM, BUT. YES. AND DURING MY CONFERENCE CALL WITH
YOU LAST FRIDAY, YOU INDICATED THAT, WELL, ONE OF YOUR CONSULTANTS INDICATED THAT $64 MILLION IN STRUCTURAL
REPAIRS WAS NOT NECESSARY TODAY, THAT YOU HAVE INCLUDED COMPLETE REPLACEMENT OF THE PLAZA OUTSIDE IN THAT NUMBER,
AND THAT THE ACTUAL NUMBER FOR THE SUPERFICIAL STRUCTURAL REPAIRS NEEDED BECAUSE OF WATER DAMAGE IS ABOUT $7 MILLION. 
          ISN'T THAT WHAT I WAS TOLD? YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO WE REALLY HAVE BUILT INTO THIS $960 MILLION,
OVER 50 MILLION OF UNNECESSARY EXPENSE, HAVEN'T WE? WE WOULD NOT DESCRIBE IT THAT WAY, SIR. I'LL PASS IT TO MY COLLEAGUE KURT TO CHIME IN,
BUT WE WOULD NOT DESCRIBE IT THAT WAY. 
          WELL, YOUR CONSULTANT DID THAT. THAT WAS NOT NECESSARY NOW. 
          SO. SO TO ANSWER THAT. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, AND THIS WAS ANSWERED IN OUR SUPPLEMENTARY
INFORMATION, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT TIMELINES FOR THE STRUCTURAL REPAIRS. 
          THERE ARE SOME TARGETED SHORT TERM REPAIRS THAT DEAL WITH THE IMMEDIATE ISSUE WITH WATER
INTRUSION. 
          AND THOSE HAVE BEEN OUTLINED. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING TO. 
          WHICH IS AROUND 7 TO $10 MILLION OF THE 61 MILLION THAT BROADER INVESTMENT IS IS TWOFOLD. 
          THERE ARE FUNDAMENTAL ELECTRICAL AND FIRE SUPPRESSION IMPROVEMENTS,
REPLACEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE. 
          AND AS WE ALLUDED TO THE WATER ITSELF AND THE SOURCE OF THE WATER IS NOT GETTING FIXED BY
THE SHORT TERM CORRECTIVE ACTIONS. 
          AND SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING, BECAUSE IT IS END OF LIFE,
TO REDO PORTIONS OF THE PLAZA DECK, ADJUST THE STRUCTURE ELEMENTS MORE HOLISTICALLY AND FIND OUT THE SOURCE OF THE WATER
INTRUSION. 
          AND SO I SUBMIT, SIR, THAT YOU'RE NOT LISTENING TO ONE OF YOUR TEAM MEMBERS WHO SAID IT
WOULD COST $2 MILLION TO FIX THE LEAKS IN THE PARKING GARAGE. 
          AND SO YOU'RE CONTRADICTING YOUR OWN COLLEAGUE BY SAYING THAT WE NEED TO SPEND $50 MILLION
ON ELECTRICAL REPAIRS, NOT STRUCTURAL REPAIRS. SO, SO TWOFOLD. AND THE INFORMATION THAT WE PROVIDED,
WE ARE NOT SUGGESTING THAT THERE'S $50 MILLION WORTH OF ELECTRICAL REPAIRS. THAT IS A SUBSET OF THE NUMBER. IN THAT SAME DIALOG THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING,
COLIN MURPHY MADE IT SPECIFICALLY CLEAR THAT THERE WERE TWO ELEMENTS. THERE ARE SHORT TERM WATER INTRUSION FIXES. 
          BUT SECOND TO THAT, THE ENTIRE DRAINAGE SYSTEM AND STRUCTURE ITSELF IS NEARING SOME END OF
LIFE RENEWAL AND REINVESTMENT REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND THAT IS THE REALITY OF WHAT WE HAVE PRICED IN OUR NUMBER. 
          SO IT IS TWOFOLD. SO YOU'VE INCLUDED NONSTRUCTURAL ITEMS IN A STRUCTURAL $60 MILLION
CATEGORY. 
          THE MAJORITY OF THE $60 MILLION IS ASSOCIATED WITH REHAB AND REPLACEMENT OF LIFE CYCLE
ISSUES, 
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THAT CLEARLY THERE'S WATER INTRUSION FOR ANYONE THAT'S BEEN IN THAT BUILDING. 
          AND SO I CAN SPEAK TO THOSE SPECIFICALLY AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE INCLUDING. 
          SO IN THE SHORT TERM TARGETED SCENARIO APPROACH,
WE ARE DOING A LOCALIZED EXPANSION JOINT REPLACEMENT. 
          WE'RE DOING LEAK MITIGATION EFFORTS. WE ARE NOT DOING ANY PLAZA DECK REMOVAL REPLACEMENT. 
          WE ARE NOT DOING ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THE CURRENT DRAINAGE SYSTEM. 
          THERE IS NO SYSTEMIC WATERPROOFING REPLACEMENT. 
          AND SO THE SECONDARY TASK, WHICH WE ARE RECOMMENDING IS A HOLISTIC RENEWAL OF THAT ENTIRE
SYSTEM TO CORRECT THE WATER INTRUSION AND DRAINAGE, BECAUSE THOSE ARE NOT BEING CORRECTED WITH THE SHORT TERM MEASURES
THAT WERE SUGGESTED IN A 2 TO 5 YEAR INVESTMENT. WELL, ONCE AGAIN, I'M SORRY, BUT YOU'RE CONTRADICTING YOUR COLLEAGUE WHO SAID
THAT $2.3 MILLION WOULD FIX ALL THE LEAKS. 
          SO YOU'RE PROJECTING THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND ANOTHER 50 MILLION ON STRUCTURAL REPAIRS THAT
AREN'T NECESSARY. 
          NOW, ON DRAINAGE REPAIRS, YOU'VE MENTIONED WHICH ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR COLLEAGUES SAID IT'S
PROBABLY JUST BECAUSE THE DRAINS NEED TO BE CLEANED OUT. 
          THEY'RE NOT AT THE END OF LIFE. SO THAT IS NOT THAT IS A MISREPRESENTATION OF THAT
CONVERSATION. 
          AND THAT COLLEAGUE IS UNFORTUNATELY NOT AVAILABLE ON THE ON THE PHONE. 
          THEY REITERATED, THEY REITERATED IN THEIR CONVERSATION THAT THAT IT DID NOT RENEW THE
SYSTEM WHICH IS PAST ITS USEFUL LIFE. WELL, I'M JUST VERY UNSATISFIED WITH THE DIFFERENT STORIES THAT WE
GET FROM DIFFERENT TEAM MEMBERS. 
          NOW MOVING ON TO THE ASBESTOS ISSUE, THE ASBESTOS SURVEY TESTED 64 DIFFERENT SAMPLES OF
MATERIALS IN THE BUILDING AND FINDING ONLY NINE CONTAINED ASBESTOS. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. AND THE 64 SAMPLES WERE INTENTIONALLY TAKEN,
NOT AT RANDOM, BUT AT PLACES WHERE YOU THOUGHT THE MATERIALS WERE SUSPECTED AS BESTOS. CORRECT. BRIAN, WOULD YOU TAKE THAT QUESTION,
PLEASE? YES. THE PROCESS FOR AN ASBESTOS SURVEY IS TO IDENTIFY SUSPECT MATERIALS,
COLLECT SAMPLES OF THEM, AND SUBMIT THEM TO A LAB FOR ANALYSIS. POINT OF ORDER. 
          WHAT'S GOING ON? OH. 
          I I THINK I'LL BE OKAY. 
          SO, MR. MAYOR, THAT'S A BROADCAST. THAT'S A TECHNOLOGY ISSUE THAT'S GOING ON OUR
BROADCAST. 
          THE FOLKS ON THE OUTSIDE, IT'S BEING BROADCAST ON THE OUTSIDE. 
          SO THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE WATCHING THAT, THE TELEVISION CAN SEE IT. 
          HOWEVER, WHAT WE'RE DISPLAYING INTERNALLY IS NOT DISPLAYING. 
          I'M NOT. I UNDERSTAND THAT EXPLANATION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS IN TERMS OF THE
IMPLICATIONS OF IT, BUT I NEED TO TALK WITH THE ATTORNEYS. SO IS SHE SAYING THAT SCREEN TALKING. 
          TO. HIS CHILDREN. 
          192. WELL, YOU KNOW, WE DID THAT CALL TOGETHER. 
          I HEARD THEM SAY THAT TO YOU. 
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A LONG TIME. 
          AND. 
          OKAY. SO I THINK THE ISSUE HERE IS THAT THE,
THE, THE, THE RULES SAY THAT THE BROADCAST HAS TO BE ABLE TO BE SEEN BY US IN HERE. AND WE CAN'T, EVEN THOUGH IT CAN BE SEEN BY PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING IT ON
TELEVISION. 
          SO TECHNICALLY THIS THIS PERSON CAN'T SPEAK UNTIL UNLESS AND UNTIL WE CAN RESOLVE THAT
ISSUE. 
          SO IF THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE ON THE TEAM WHO CAN RESPOND TO THAT QUESTION,
THAT'S GREAT. 
          IF NOT, THEN WE NEED TO MOVE ON TO A DIFFERENT QUESTION. 
          MR. RYLAND, UNTIL THAT CAN BE RESOLVED, IS BRIAN OFF OF THE THE PHONE CALL AND JUST NOT
ABLE TO BE SEEN? IS THAT THE ISSUE? THE ISSUE IS WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE PERSON IN THIS MEETING HAS TO BE DISPLAYED IN HERE WHERE WE CAN SEE
IT PER THE WAY THE RULE IS WRITTEN. 
          OKAY. ISSUE RESOLVED. I THINK. ALL RIGHT, BRIAN,
WE'VE GOT YOU. 
          I WAS ANSWERING THE QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THE PROCESS FOR AN ASBESTOS SURVEY IS TO
IDENTIFY SUSPECT ASBESTOS CONTAINING MATERIALS, COLLECT BULK SAMPLES OF THEM AND SUBMIT THEM FOR LABORATORY ANALYSIS. 
          AND THAT LABORATORY ANALYSIS INDICATED ONLY NINE OF THE 64 SUSPECTED SAMPLES CONTAINED
ASBESTOS. 
          CORRECT. CORRECT. AND ONLY TWO OF THOSE NINE CONTAINED FRIABLE ASBESTOS,
WHICH IS THE REAL RISK. 
          CORRECT? YES, YES. FRIABLE ASBESTOS CONTAINING MATERIALS ARE A HIGHER RISK TO HUMAN HEALTH
THAN NON FRIABLE. 
          WELL, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE HAVE A RAGING ASBESTOS PROBLEM AT CITY HALL. 
          TURNING TO PAGE SEVEN OF THE PRESENTATION. YOU LIST SOME CITIES THAT HAVE SEPARATED EOC
CENTERS AND 911 CENTERS. BUT I NOTICED THAT THERE ARE SOME KEY CITIES MISSING FROM THAT LIST. 
          AND I'M ASKING, DOES THAT INDICATE THAT, FOR EXAMPLE,
IN TEXAS, HOUSTON AND EL PASO DO NOT HAVE SEPARATED EOC FACILITIES? SO THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, ROBERT. SO HOUSTON AND EL PASO DO HAVE SEPARATE FACILITIES
HOUSING THEIR EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION CENTERS. THEY WERE JUST LEFT OFF THE TABLE I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT. 
          YES. AND WHAT ABOUT OTHER LARGE CITIES, FOR EXAMPLE DETROIT CHICAGO,
LA, SEATTLE. 
          WHY ARE THEY NOT ON THE LIST? DO THEY NOT HAVE SEPARATED FACILITIES? SO I DIDN'T CONDUCT THAT PARTICULAR STUDY. BUT IN MY PREVIOUS VIEWS,
I DID SEE THAT DETROIT WAS SEPARATED. 
          BUT I CAN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION ON THE ON THE OTHERS. 
          AND YOU GAVE US. THAT'S YOUR TIME. ALL RIGHT. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BLAIR. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          YOU SAID THAT THERE ARE 17 VOTING SYSTEMS THAT ARE AT THE END OF LIFE. 
          WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO BRING ALL OF THOSE IN INTO TODAY'S TECHNOLOGY AND STAYING IN THIS
BUILDING? AM I UNDERSTANDING THE QUESTION CORRECTLY? LET ME REPEAT IT BACK. 
          YOU'RE ASKING WHAT IS THE ESTIMATE TO MODERNIZE? CORRECT. THE IT JUST IN THIS FACILITY, CORRECT? WELL, WE APPLIED THE THE $40 MILLION NUMBER EQUALLY AT CITY HALL AND ALL THE MARKET
OPTIONS. 
          WE BELIEVE THAT'S A COMPELLING BUDGET NUMBER FOR ANY LOCATION. 
          SO LET ME ASK ANOTHER QUESTION. IN THOSE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT FOR 901
ELC, THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY PLUG AND PLAY. YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO IN AND MAKE THE THE
ASSESSMENT AS TO WHAT YOU NEED AND WHAT YOU AND HOW YOU WANT TO OPERATE IN ORDER TO GET AN ACTUAL FACTUAL NUMBER. 
          IS THAT NOT CORRECT? YEAH, THIS IS A WORKING BUDGET NUMBER. 
          I GOT IT. BUT YEAH, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO SPECIFICALLY TEST FIT ANY MARKET LOCATION FOR ANY
PARTICULAR PROGRAM, WHETHER EOC OR CITY HALL. AND THAT'S AN ABSOLUTELY THE AN APPROPRIATE NEXT STEP TO
DETERMINE YOUR TRUE SQUARE FOOTAGE EFFICIENCY AND THE APPROPRIATE PERFORMANCE 
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SPECS THAT WOULD GOVERN ANY RENOVATION AND CUSTOMIZATION OF THOSE FACILITIES. 
          SO YES. SO HOW OLD ARE THE CAMERAS IN THIS? IN THIS LOCATION? I DON'T KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK. 
          OVER TEN YEARS OLD. AND HOW OFTEN DO WE. IS TECHNOLOGY UPDATED? TECHNOLOGY TYPICALLY HAS A LIFE CYCLE OF 5 TO 7 YEARS BEFORE THERE'S AN UPGRADE THAT'S
WORTH MAKING. 
          OR THE PREVIOUS HARDWARE IS NO LONGER SUPPORTED. 
          AND SO IN OURS, FOR TEN YEARS OLD. SO TEN YEARS AGO,
THEY WERE BRAND NEW. 
          THEY WERE TECHNOLOGY. THEY WERE THE NEW AND THE LATEST AND GREATEST. 
          CORRECT. AND NOW THEY'RE NOT CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THEY'RE NO LONGER LIKELY WARRANTED OR HAVE SOFTWARE UPDATES TO SUPPORT THEM ANY LONGER. 
          SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S TECHNOLOGY OBSOLETE AND YOU'RE STILL USING
IT. 
          A LOT OF OUR CUSTOMERS WILL TYPICALLY USE HARDWARE AS LONG AS THEY CAN UNTIL SOMETHING
STOPS WORKING. 
          THAT IS VITAL TO THE FUNCTION OF A SPACE. AND THEN THAT'S USUALLY WHEN THEY START TO LOOK
FOR UPGRADES, UPGRADES, OR REPLACEMENT. CORRECT? IS THAT NOT CORRECT? IF IT'S EITHER UPGRADES OR REPLACEMENT? CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. THAT IS CORRECT. AND YOU REPLACE IT WHEN YOU CAN'T UPGRADE IT. 
          CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. THE SAME WITH LIKE WITH OUR TELEPHONES. 
          EVERY NOW AND THEN THEY. ALWAYS SAY OKAY, EVERY NOW AND THEN THEY BECOME SO OBSOLETE THAT
THEY JUST DON'T THEY JUST NO LONGER WORK. AND THAT'S THE SAME KIND OF MINDSET WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TECHNOLOGY,
WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO OUR AVI, OUR SECURITY SYSTEMS, OUR EVERYTHING THAT'S THAT'S WORKING,
THAT'S TECHNOLOGY DRIVEN. 
          CORRECT. WE AGREE WITH THAT. YEAH. SO I'M SORRY. 
          GO AHEAD. OH, SO WITH ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH TODAY HERE IN,
IN, IN CITY HALL THAT HAS NOT BEEN UPGRADED IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS OR SO. 
          WE ARE ACTUALLY WORKING ON TECHNOLOGICALLY OBSOLETE EQUIPMENT. 
          CORRECT? I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH THAT,
BECAUSE AS LONG AS THE EQUIPMENT IS FUNCTIONAL, YOU CAN CONTINUE TO USE IT. BUT IF THERE'S ANY UPDATES OR IF THE HARDWARE NEEDS TO BE
REPAIRED, IT'S VERY HARD TO DO THAT AFTER 5 TO 7 YEARS. 
          SO IF WE HAVE EQUIPMENT THAT'S THAT'S 10 TO 20 YEARS OLD,
THEN WOULD IT NOT BE? SAFE TO SAY THAT IT'S TECHNOLOGICALLY OBSOLETE AND AND THE CHANCES OF IT BEING WHAT WE
NEED FOR TODAY'S USE IS DIFFERENT THAN THE TECHNOLOGICALLY, THE TECHNOLOGY WE USE TEN YEARS AGO. 
          I THINK THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT. SO I KNOW WHEN I COME IN HERE,
I HAVE THE HARDEST TIME USING MY PERSONAL LAPTOP. 
          NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN, I TAKE OUT MY PHONE AND I USE MY WI-FI ON MY PHONE BECAUSE I JUST
CAN'T CONNECT. 
          WHY IS THAT? SO IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT THE HARDWARE THAT'S SUPPORTING THE WI-FI IN YOUR
BUILDING IS VERY OUTDATED. THE CURRENT STANDARD FOR WIRELESS TECHNOLOGY IS A WI-FI 60 SEVEN HIGH DENSITY
COVERAGE. 
          AND TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, SPACES THAT HAVE TECHNOLOGY IN IT THAT HAS BEEN PUT IN OVER TEN
YEARS AGO WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT KIND OF. SO TODAY I CAME IN, I TRY TO USE MY MY LAPTOP,
MY PERSONAL LAPTOP. 
          I COULDN'T USE IT, SO I HAD TO HAVE MY STAFF GO AND COME GET THE LAPTOP AND IT'S SLOW. 
          WHY IS IT SO? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? SO THE LAPTOP ITSELF IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT YOU WOULD BE
OPERATING WITH. 
          SO THE COST THAT YOU SEE HERE ARE MORE FOR SHARED EQUIPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE VERSUS
PERSONAL DEVICES. 
          I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE A COMPLETELY SEPARATE MATTER. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS,
IF I AM TRYING TO UTILIZE THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE HERE TODAY AND I CAN'T USE THAT TECHNOLOGY HERE TODAY, IS IT NOT A POSSIBILITY? THAT IS BECAUSE THE TECHNOLOGY WE'RE TRYING TO USE DOES NOT SUPPORT THE USES THAT WE ARE
USING TODAY. 
          THAT IS CORRECT AND PART OF OUR ASSESSMENT IN THIS EXERCISE WAS TO UNDERSTAND HOW YOU GUYS
CURRENTLY USE ALL OF YOUR DIFFERENT PIECES OF TECHNOLOGY, 
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AND UNDERSTANDING HOW THE CURRENT FUNCTION AND EQUIPMENT THAT YOU HAVE DOES NOT
NECESSARILY SUPPORT ALL OF THAT. 
          SO I'M GOING TO SWITCH TO NOW TO TO OUR 911 EOC. 
          IF WE ARE HAVING TECHNOLOGY THAT IS OBSOLETE OR OUTDATED,
HOW CAN WE UTILIZE. 
          HOW CAN WE BE SUPPORTIVE OF HOW WE NEED TO GET OUR 911 IN EOC FUNCTIONING IN A,
IN A, IN A, IN THE 2024 INSTEAD OF THE 1990S TECHNOLOGY THAT WE'RE USING. 
          SO WE WERE ABLE TO GET A GENERAL IDEA OF HOW THE EOC IS USED. 
          WE DIDN'T GET SUPER DEEP INTO IT, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE CURRENTLY USING FOR ALL OF THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO CONTINUE TO FUNCTION
WITH HARDWARE UPGRADES AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, PIECES OF TECHNOLOGY AS IT COMES OUT. 
          SO THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO GIVE YOU GUYS A SYSTEM,
INCLUDING THE EOC, THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO SUPPORT BOTH THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL AS BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE CITY FOR THE NEXT 5 TO 7 YEARS. 
          SO THE TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE IN OUR 911 EOC, WHEN WE NEED OUR POLICE AND FIRE TO BE BE ABLE
TO GET THE RIGHT INFORMATION QUICKLY AND AND RAPIDLY, AND TO SEE AND HAVE THE THE CRISP AND CLEAN INFORMATION. 
          WE CAN'T DO THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT WORKING IN THE RIGHT INFRASTRUCTURE
TO SUPPORT THAT. 
          IS THAT NOT CORRECT? THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. 
          SO ARE WE. IF WE'RE LOOKING AT NEW LOCATIONS,
THEN WE WOULD LOOK AT THOSE LOCATIONS THAT COULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT. IS THAT CORRECT? I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. 
          YES, SIR. GO AHEAD. GENERALLY SPEAKING WE WANT TO FIND LOCATIONS AND FACILITIES THAT HAVE
AS MANY OF THE REQUIRED DESIGN CRITERIA AND PERFORMANCE SPECS ALREADY. 
          BUT WHERE THEY'RE DEFICIENT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ALLOCATE ENOUGH BUDGET TO RENOVATE
THOSE OR BUILD THEM CUSTOM TO WHAT THE CITY ACTUALLY NEEDS. 
          BUT THESE ARE NOT FACILITIES THAT ARE A DIME A DOZEN AND,
AND ARE CERTAINLY VERY CUSTOM FACILITIES. 
          WE RECENTLY COMPLETED THE DALLAS COUNTY EOC PROJECT,
AT LEAST THE, THE EXECUTION AND AND THAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. 
          BUT THAT HAD TO BE A CUSTOM FACILITY BECAUSE OF OF THE NATURE OF THE WORK. 
          AND I'M OUT OF TOWN, MAYOR. SO I'LL GET I'LL GET IT THE NEXT TIME AROUND. 
          YEAH. YOU CAN COME BACK FOR SURE, MISS BLACKMON. 
          YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH TO PIGGYBACK ON THE TECHNOLOGY. 
          SO ARE YOU SAYING THE 13 MILLION WOULD GET US UP TO DATE THAT YOU HAVE BUDGETED IN HERE
VERSUS IF WE STAYED HERE OR LEFT? SO COUNCIL MEMBER. IT'S THE 13 PLUS. THE 8.2 PLUS THE NINE PLUS THE 1.5. 
          THERE'S FOUR CATEGORIES THERE. FOR CITY HALL AND THEN THE FOUR SAME FOUR CATEGORIES FOR
THE. 
          I'M JUST LOOKING AT EOC NUMBERS THOUGH. OKAY. 
          JUST EOC JUST THE 12.9 ON THE. SO I'M JUST LOOKING LIKE YOU HAVE BROKEN IT OUT. 
          YOU HAVE CITY HALL AND EOC. I'M JUST CURIOUS,
IS THE EOC NUMBER APPLICABLE TO STAYING OR LEAVING? WE BELIEVE SO, YES. IT'S A GOOD IT'S A GOOD BUDGET. 
          IT'S A GOOD BUDGET NUMBER FOR TECHNOLOGY. YEAH. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT WAS THAT QUESTION. OKAY. 
          SO LET'S GO TO MR. URIBE. 911311 OEM. SO EXPLAIN. 
          DO YOU KNOW WHY WE PUT OUR 911311 AND OEM IN THE BASEMENT? I WAS NOT AROUND WHEN THAT DECISION WAS MADE. 
          IT WAS 1988. 1988. SO WHAT I DO KNOW, JUST FROM AN OVERVIEW PERSPECTIVE,
A LOT OF AGENCIES OVER THE YEARS JUST DIDN'T HAVE ADDITIONAL SPACE OR BECAUSE THEIR POLICE DEPARTMENTS WERE THERE WITHIN
THE WITHIN THAT SAME FACILITY, THEY WOULD CO-LOCATE A LOT OF THESE TYPES OF CENTERS. 
          SO IN ESSENCE, SOME DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE IN THOSE YEARS HAVE CHANGED SINCE NINE OVER
11. 
          SO IN NINE, 11 THERE WAS THE IMPACT OF WHAT WHAT ENDED UP CHANGING THE PERSPECTIVE OF HOW
WE WERE MOVING FORWARD WITH EMERGENCY PLANNING FOR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTERS CHANGED DRASTICALLY. 
          SO THE THE CONCEPT OF PUTTING ALL YOUR CRITICAL FACILITIES WITHIN ONE STRUCTURE DOES DOES
CREATE SOME CHALLENGES. SHOULD THOSE BUILDINGS BECOME INOPERABLE FOR ANY REASON? BUT BUT ULTIMATELY, THERE HAS BEEN A CHANGE IN THAT PHILOSOPHY,
AND THE STANDARDS ARE OUTLINED IN THOSE PRETTY CLEARLY NOW IN 1970. 
          [02:40:09]
THERE ARE NEWS ARTICLES THAT ACTUALLY CALLED THE PARKING GARAGE A SHELTER. 
          AND SO I THINK IT WAS INTENTIONAL TO, I THINK IN THE PLANNING IN 88 THAT TO PUT IT DOWN
THERE, I COULDN'T FIND THE ARCHIVES THAT ACTUALLY HAD THE PRESENTATION. 
          BUT ARE YOU ON PAGE SIX? DID THESE NEW STANDARDS COME OUT IN 2020 WITH THAT YOU WROTE
HERE? I'M TRYING TO JUST LOOK AT THE BOTTOM. IT SAYS,
AND I DIDN'T I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WHEN DID WE WHEN DID WE DECIDE TO CO-LOCATE. SO AS A STRATEGY THE THESE STANDARDS WERE PUBLISHED IN 2020. 
          OKAY. BUT YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY THOSE CONTINUE TO EVOLVE AS TIME GOES ON. 
          OKAY. AND THEN I BELIEVE, I GUESS THIS IS OUR DALLAS PUBLIC SAFETY CAMPUS DEVELOPMENT
PLAN. 
          I MEAN, WE HAVE YOU SENT IT TO ME DONZELL YESTERDAY. 
          I BELIEVE WE HAVE NUMBERS FROM 19, FROM 2024,
AND THEN THE MOST RECENT ONE IN JANUARY OF 25. 
          WHY ARE WE NOW LOOKING AT NOT KEEPING IT HERE AND MOVING IT TO ANOTHER LOCATION ALTOGETHER
THAT'S NOT OWNED BY THE CITY IN A DOLPHIN ROAD? SO THOSE 2020, I'M SORRY, 2022 PLANS WERE WERE THIS IS 25 SORRY I'M SORRY 2025 PLANS WERE
CONCEPTUAL FOR A FUTURE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, AS I RECALL. 
          BUT WHAT AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING NOW IS ANYTIME WE HAVE A MAJOR EVENT HERE THERE'S
AN IMPACT TO OUR STAFF, YOU KNOW, ENTERING AND LEAVING THE BUILDING NOW. 
          YEAH, I GET THAT. BUT MY QUESTION IS, IS WE HAVE A DRAFT PLAN FROM 25? YES, IT WAS ONLY A YEAR AGO, BUT SHE KEEPS TELLING ME TWO YEARS. 
          NO, THAT WAS ONLY A YEAR. AND IT DOES SAY WE ARE HAVING AN OEM COMMS AT DOLPHIN ROAD AT
THE FIRE ACADEMY. 
          WELL, THIS ACTUALLY STARTED IN 22. WE THIS IS. 
          BUT EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO TELL ME THAT WE ABANDONED THIS. NO,
NO, IT'S NOT ABANDONED. 
          THAT WAS A DEVELOPMENTAL PLAN FOR A FUTURE SITE PREPARATION FOR OUR DOLPHIN ROAD FACILITY. 
          IT ALSO HAS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT ARE
THAT ARE NOT THERE NOW. 
          CORRECT. WE WERE LOOKING AT THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING A 911 OEM CENTER AT THE TRAINING
ACADEMY AS ONE OF MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, A PROJECT THAT WE LOOKED AT AS A CITY. YES. 97,000FT². 
          YES, MA'AM. BUT WITH WHAT WE HAVE ON THE TABLE AS A PROPOSITION IS THAT WE MAY BE
ABANDONING THAT? NO, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT ALL OUR OPTIONS. IT'S JUST THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE ONES WE
WERE TALKING ABOUT. 
          I'VE BEEN IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT INCIDENTS HERE IN THE EOC AS WELL AS IN 911. 
          SO THIS IS STILL ON THE TABLE. BUT EVEN THOUGH WE'RE GOING TO EXPLORE,
I BELIEVE IN ANOTHER AMENDMENT, IN ANOTHER MEETING, THE POSSIBILITIES OF MOVING IT ALL OVER. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE ABANDON IT. 
          AND IF WE ARE, WE'VE NEVER IT WAS NEVER ABANDONED. 
          THAT IS A DEVELOPMENTAL PLAN. EXCUSE ME? A DEVELOPMENTAL PLAN THAT WE DEVELOPED TO SEE
WHAT WOULD FIT ON OUR SITE AT DAUPHIN ROAD. 
          SO WHY? SO TELL ME, WHY ARE WE NOW PROPOSING A DIFFERENT LOCATION AT SOMETHING THAT. 
          WHY ARE WE LOOKING AT IT IF THIS IS WHERE WE WERE GOING? SO IF I COULD JUMP IN FOR JUST A SECOND. COUNCILWOMAN BLACKMON. 
          AND THANK YOU SO MUCH TO OUR CHIEF OF PUBLIC SAFETY FOR THE RESPONSES. 
          WE HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED ANY LOCATION. WE HAVE NOT CONFIRMED A LOCATION. 
          THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS AROUND THE WAY THE MARKET RESPONDED,
AND THERE WERE SOME COMPONENTS THAT MIGHT BE FEASIBLE IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION. 
          BUT THERE'S BEEN NO DECISIONS. WE HAVE NO CONCEPTUAL PLANS YET UNLESS EXPLORING,
UNLESS EXPLORING. 
          SO ONCE WE DO THE EXPLORATION, OUR PROCESS WOULD BE TO BRING YOU BACK EVERYTHING,
WHETHER IT'S THE PLANS THAT WERE DEVELOPED PREVIOUSLY IN THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION AT THE FIRE TRAINING ACADEMY,
OR ANY OTHER POTENTIAL LOCATIONS, THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THE VETTING THAT WE WOULD BRING BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL. BUT WE HAVE NOT MADE ANY OF THOSE DECISIONS,
AND THAT WORK HAS NOT BEEN FULLY DONE OR VETTED. 
          AND HAS THIS BEEN DISCUSSED AT PUBLIC SAFETY? NO, MA'AM. THIS HAS ALL BEEN CONCEPTUAL PLANS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT FOR FUTURE BOND
PROJECTS AS WE GO ALONG. 
          OKAY. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT COSTS ARE RELATED TO HARDENING A STAND UP BUILDING THAT'S NOT
FROM THE GROUND UP? I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TELL YOU, BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON WHAT STRUCTURE YOU'RE LOOKING AT. 
          WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO HARDEN THE STRUCTURE. 
          IT DEPENDS ON WHAT TYPE OF STRUCTURE IT IS AND IDEALLY,
WHAT KIND OF STRUCTURE WOULD YOU NEED IF YOU HAD TO RELOCATE OUTSIDE OF A FROM A BUILT UP BUILDING? I'LL HAVE TO DEFER THAT TO SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES DOWN THE ROAD,
BUT I KNOW THAT WE WOULD LOOK FOR STRUCTURE THERE PRACTICES THERE ARE THERE ARE STANDARDS THAT ARE OUT THERE FOR THESE TYPE OF LOCATIONS. 
          [02:45:01]
AND WE ROBERT, I'LL CHIME IN, LET YOU CHIME IN. 
          ROBERT HAD THE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD ONE OF THESE LOCATIONS. 
          AND SO HE'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION. 
          SO FROM A STANDARDS PERSPECTIVE, THE THE BASE STANDARD IS SEPARATION OF THE LOCATION. 
          AND YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS OR THE POSSIBLE WEATHER RELATED
ACTIVITIES. 
          SO GIVEN THAT WE DON'T LIVE IN A SEISMIC AREA,
WE CAN JUST USE THAT FOR DISCUSSION POINT. 
          SO IF WE'RE IN, I'LL USE A CITY. AND ON THE WEST COAST,
WE MAY BE CONSIDERING HOW TO HARDEN THAT FACILITY AGAINST SEISMIC ACTIVITY HERE. 
          WE'RE MORE PRONE TO HIGH WINDS AND FLOODING AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          SO ULTIMATELY THERE ARE STANDARDS THAT GO FROM FROM THE BASICS ALL THE WAY TO,
TO THE BEST, HIGHEST STANDARD WITH WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE TIERS OF THE STANDARD. 
          SO ULTIMATELY WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A FULL ASSESSMENT OF WHAT OUR OVERALL NEEDS ARE AND
WHAT ARE THE POSSIBLE SITE DEVELOPMENTS OR RECONSTRUCTION, I'M SORRY, REDEVELOPMENTS OF CERTAIN AREAS. 
          SO WOULD YOU USE WHAT'S IN THIS STUDY AS WOULD YOU APPLY THAT TO A NEW BUILDING? BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT A $51 MILLION BUDGET ITEM. 
          ULTIMATELY THAT THAT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION THAT I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO EXAMINE AND
ENSURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH. 
          OKAY. AND IF I COULD ALSO ADD COUNCILWOMAN BLACKMON,
THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTIONS AROUND THIS, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT WE'VE SEEN,
INCLUDING SOME CITIES WHERE THERE'S MORE OF A REGIONAL COMPONENT, WHERE IT'S ALSO INCLUDED WITH MAYBE LIKE THE COUNTY,
AND THERE'S LIKE ONE REGIONAL KIND OF PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY THAT JUST DEALS WITH THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS. SO WE WOULD BRING BACK SEVERAL EXAMPLES AS WELL AS COST AS WELL AS
REQUIREMENTS THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT AND LET THAT BE A PART OF FULL THE FULL VETTING PROCESS. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE ADDITIONAL DUE DILIGENCE THAT YOU WOULD WANT US TO
UNDERTAKE. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. ON THE ASBESTOS. OKAY. SO I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ON OUR CALL. 
          IS IT 64 SAMPLINGS OR 192 SAMPLINGS? IT'S 192 SAMPLINGS AND 64 LOCATIONS. 
          YES, MA'AM. DID I EVER GET A MAP OF WHERE THOSE LOCATIONS WERE? IT'S IN THE REPORT. IT'S IN THE REPORT? IT IS IN THE REPORT. 
          OKAY. BECAUSE, AS YOU CAN TELL. BUT BUT COUNCILWOMAN,
IF YOU NEED A MAP AND YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO PRODUCE, WE CAN GET THAT FOR YOU. YES. OKAY, SO I GUESS THIS IS FOR MORE OF STAFF. 
          HAVE WE EVER ABATED ASBESTOS HERE AT THE CITY? YES, MA'AM. WE HAVE. CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE? I'M SORRY. 
          CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE? VARIOUS FIRE STATIONS,
INCLUDING CITY HALL AS WELL. 
          AND SO HAVE WE HAD TO RELOCATE PEOPLE. I THINK YOU HAD THAT LINE OF QUESTIONING BEFORE
CHIEF ARTIST AND JOHN JOHNSON. 
          CAN YOU GUYS HELP ME WITH THAT? BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE DIRECT RECORD TO RELATIVE TO
WHETHER THEY STAYED OR THEY RELOCATED. 
          THE TEAM. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. 
          YEAH. AND TO ANSWER THE FIRST OFF, I'M JUSTIN BALD,
FIRE CHIEF. 
          BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YEAH, DEPENDING ON THE SCOPE OF THE JOB WE DO,
RELOCATE THEM. 
          SOME HAVE STAYED THERE. IF WE CAN ISOLATE THE AREA. 
          BUT WE WE LEAVE THAT TO THE EXPERTS TO TELL US WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE. 
          WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE AT FIRE STATIONS. YES. 
          AND DO WE HAVE A SERVICE CONTRACT? PARDON? EXCUSE ME. 
          THAT'S PROBABLY FOR DONZELL OR JOHN. MORE SO THAN YOU. 
          DO WE HAVE A SERVICE CONTRACT? CONTRACT FOR ASBESTOS ABATEMENT? YEAH. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH CAN YOU GET IT FOR ME? FOR THE END OF THE MEETING. THANK YOU. AND WHO? AND WHEN YOU'RE OVER. WHEN YOU WERE DOING ALL THESE REMEDIATIONS. 
          ISN'T IT STRICTLY OVERSIGHT BY TC-EC? I MEAN,
IT IS A VERY THOUGHTFUL PROCESS AND VERY SCRIPTED. 
          AND SO PEOPLE ARE HELD SAFE. I MEAN, IT'S DONE IN A SAFE MANNER. 
          YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I GOT 35 SECONDS. 
          OKAY, MOVING ON TO YOUR SLIDE, PETER. IN MY LAST 30S. 
          YES, MA'AM. WHICH ONE OF THESE ARE IN THE CBD? IN YOUR OPTIONS? I CAN'T DISCLOSE THAT. THAT WOULD COMPROMISE YOUR NEGOTIATION POSITION. 
          BUT THIS IS A SAMPLING OF MANY OF THE OPTIONS FROM THE DOZENS OF PROPOSALS WE'VE RECEIVED. 
          OKAY. AND ARE YOU ALSO THE BECAUSE YOU'RE A BROKER,
RIGHT. 
          SO DO YOU HAVE THE BUILDING OWNER? DO YOU REPRESENT A LOT OF THESE BUILDING OWNERS? I DO NOT REPRESENT ANY BUILDING OWNERS. DOES YOUR COMPANY DOES MY COMPANY REPRESENT OTHER
BUILDING OWNERS? YES. OKAY, SO YOU STAND TO MAKE THE MARKET, BASICALLY. 
          ANYWAY. THANK YOU. I'D HAVE TO. YEAH. CHAIRWOMAN STEWART,
YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. 
          [02:50:06]
THANK YOU, MAYOR JOHNSON. OKAY. FOLLOW UP ON ASBESTOS,
OUR FAVORITE TOPIC OF THE EVENING. 
          WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT A NUMBER OF SAMPLINGS AND WHAT WE HAVE FOUND. 
          IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THERE IS ASBESTOS OUT THERE THAT WE HAVE YET DISCOVERED? IS THERE? IS IT POSSIBLE THAT IN THE PROCESS OF DOING SOME OF THE REPAIRS. 
          SO THIS IS A THIS IS A INSIGHT INTO WHAT WE WE KNOW WE HAVE X,
BUT IT'S POSSIBLE WE HAVE X PLUS. 
          YES, MA'AM. OKAY. JUST WANTED TO. THIS WAS A NONINVASIVE TEST. 
          AND AN INVASIVE TEST COULD REVEAL MUCH MORE. RIGHT. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. FOLLOW UP ON ANOTHER QUESTION,
BECAUSE I GOT CONFUSED WITH CHAIR RIDLEY AND THE QUESTIONS ABOUT WATER INTRUSION AND REPAIRS AND WHETHER WE WERE REPAIRING THE PLAZA OR REPLACING THE PLAZA. 
          COULD YOU ALL JUST WALK ME THROUGH THAT PROCESS AGAIN? ABOUT WHAT? WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE OR WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDED PLAN IS? YES, MA'AM. I'LL PASS THAT TO KURT, WHO'S ONLINE. 
          YEAH. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TWO PHASED. AND SO WE HAVE A SHORT TERM REQUIREMENT OR
SUGGESTED RECOMMENDATION THAT IS DOING TARGETED REPAIRS TO ADDRESS WATER INTRUSION ISSUES THAT YOU ARE VISIBLY SEEING IN
THE GARAGE. 
          AND SO THAT IS THERE IS SOME PATCHING AREAS FROM A CONCRETE CURRENT PERSPECTIVE. 
          THERE ARE SOME AND EXPANSION JOINT REPLACEMENT THAT'S NEEDED REALLY WITH THE INTENT OF
LIKE HOW DO WE STOP GETTING WATER INTO THE GARAGE? SECOND TO THAT IS A MORE COMPREHENSIVE REHABILITATION BECAUSE BY DOING THOSE TARGETED
REPAIRS, WE HAVE NOT ADDRESSED WHERE THE WATER IS COMING IN OR THE SUBSTANTIAL DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT
ARE EVIDENT. 
          AND SO THE SECOND PHASE, WHICH IS THE MORE SIGNIFICANT PRICE TAG,
IS TO DO FULL REHABILITATION FROM A CONCRETE PERSPECTIVE. 
          WE'RE DOING PLAZA DECK RENEWAL. WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM TO SEE WHY
THE WATER IS CONTINUALLY THERE. 
          NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE THE WATER COMING IN THROUGH THE VERTICAL WALLS,
YOU ALSO HAVE THE WATER COMING UP FROM THE BASEMENT INTO LEVEL THREE. 
          AND SO THERE STILL HAS TO BE A SOURCING AND CORRECTIVE ACTION RELATED TO THE DRAINAGE. 
          SO THAT IS HOW WE ARE DIFFERENTIATING THOSE COSTS. 
          THANK YOU. AND I AGREE WITH YOU. AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE WATER,
WHERE THE WATER IS COMING FROM. 
          I THINK CHAIRMAN JOHNSON MAY HAVE SOME INSIGHT ON THAT. 
          BUT THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT, RIGHT? I MEAN,
YES, WE WANT TO MAKE SOME SURFACE REPAIRS, BUT. AND I'LL LET HIM DISCUSS THAT ON HIS TIME. 
          BUT WE REALLY DO WANT TO GET TO THE SOURCE OF THIS ISSUE,
AND I, I AM HOPING THAT THAT NUMBER IS IN THE REPAIR. THE TOTAL REPAIR NUMBER. RIGHT. SO IT'S THE SURFACE FIXES AS WELL AS REALLY
GETTING INTO IT AND FIGURING OUT WHAT THE WHAT THE CAUSE IS. 
          OKAY. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          SO THEN, PETER, I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS CHART. 
          YOU HELPED ME LOOK AT IT YESTERDAY, AND I. WHAT I WAS REALLY HOPING FOR IS THAT WE WERE AS
BEST AS POSSIBLE COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE HEARD SO MUCH TODAY. 
          AND AND THAT WE AREN'T COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES. 
          BUT I THINK WHEN YOU LISTEN TO WHEN I HAVE LISTENED TO WHAT YOU'VE DONE,
LET'S WALK THROUGH AGAIN YOUR SYSTEMS INVESTMENT NUMBER. BECAUSE I THINK THAT VARIES BASED ON YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          IF IT'S A NEWER PROPERTY, I'M ASSUMING IT'S A SMALLER NUMBER. 
          IF IT'S AN OLDER PROPERTY, YOU'VE ADDED IN SOME MORE,
BUT I'LL LET YOU DESCRIBE THAT. 
          AGAIN. THAT'S AN ACCURATE ASSESSMENT OF WHAT I CONVEYED EARLIER. 
          THE POINT WAS TO PRODUCE CONSERVATIVE NUMBERS SO THAT YOU DON'T ARRIVE AT A SITUATION
WHERE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT ACQUIRING AN ASSET OR LEASING AN ASSET OR JOINT VENTURING OR PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERING WITH SOMEBODY,
AND YOU FIND UNDISCLOSED OR UNBUDGETED ITEMS AT THE SYSTEMS LEVEL, OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE CATASTROPHIC AND VERY DETRIMENTAL TO THE PROCESS OF BUDGETING,
IMPLEMENTATION, PLANNING, THE WHOLE THING. SO WE PICKED CONSERVATIVE NUMBERS BASED ON OUR UNDERSTANDING OF
THE BUILDINGS. 
          BUT THE VERY LOGICAL NEXT STEP IN ANY MARKET ENGAGEMENT. 
          SUBSEQUENTLY, WOULD YOU CONFIRM THAT THROUGH THEIR ENGINEERS,
ARCHITECTS AND DESIGN TEAMS AND THE OWNERS KEEP IN MIND THAT TO BE COMMERCIALLY COMPETITIVE, YOU HAVE TO KEEP YOUR FACILITIES CURRENT. 
          AND SO A REGULAR PART OF OWNING AN ASSET IS REGULAR CAPEX PLANNING AND IMPLEMENTATION OF
THOSE PLANS. 
          AND I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY IF YOU ARE NOT COMPETITIVE COMMERCIALLY,
YOU WILL LOSE TENANTS OR LOSE OCCUPANTS OF THE BUILDING. 
          [02:55:01]
SO THIS IS A VERY NATURAL PART OF THE BUSINESS OF OWNING PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. THE CAPACITY THAT NUMBER IS BASED ON 500,000FT²,
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THE POINT HERE WAS TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE ARE OPTIONS IN THE MARKET
WERE YOU TO ACQUIRE THEM THAT HAVE TREMENDOUS FLEXIBILITY TO THE PORTFOLIO LEVEL PLANNING THAT WOULD ENABLE FURTHER CONSOLIDATION,
POTENTIALLY OF OTHER FACILITIES AND DISPOSITION OF THEN SURPLUS ASSETS? SO THE POINT IN RESPONSE TO THE DISCUSSION LAST WEEK WAS ARE WE ONLY LOOKING AT 500,000FT? THEREABOUTS. AND THE ANSWER IS THAT WAS THE MODELED NUMBER. 
          BUT SOME OF THESE OPTIONS HAVE DEFINITIVELY MORE ATTRACTIVE FOOTPRINTS. 
          OKAY. YOU'VE ALSO BEEN THROUGH THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND PLAZA. 
          YOU'VE ADDED THAT IN AS A VARIABLE? YES. AND I THINK IT BASICALLY MEANS WE CAN GET THERE. 
          I THINK YOU BUDGETED. WAS IT 25 MILLION FOR THAT? YES, MA'AM. A TROPHY SPACE AT $1,000 A FOOT,
WHICH IS EQUIVALENT TO ANY CLASS A OR TROPHY OFFICE SPACE FOR A PRETTY SMALL 25,000 SQUARE FOOT FLOOR PLATE THAT ACTUALLY IS CONSIDERABLY LARGER THAN THIS. 
          BUT THAT'S THE NUMBER WE'RE CARRYING. OKAY. AND THEN SOMETHING THAT I DON'T KNOW SHOWS UP
HERE, BUT THE FINANCING COSTS THAT'S ALSO BEEN FACTORED IN. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. THE THE THE IF I RECALL CORRECTLY,
IT'S $299 MILLION OF FINANCING INSIDE OF THE TOTAL PROJECT COST FOR CITY HALL. 
          AND WHERE APPLICABLE, PURCHASE JOINT VENTURE LEASE TO PURCHASE THOSE SAME FINANCING COSTS
HAVE BEEN APPLIED. 
          I CAN'T SHARE TOO MUCH MORE THAN THAT. RIGHT. 
          I GOT. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CHAIRMAN GRACEY,
YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MOST OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN CONCERNED,
HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED OR ASKED. 
          BUT I DO WANT TO FOLLOW UP WITH CHAIR STEWART'S QUESTION ABOUT THE WATER. 
          JUST BECAUSE ME AND MY FRIEND OVER HERE, WE WERE GOING BACK AND FORTH,
AND I'M TRYING TO GET SOME CLARITY ON YOU. 
          SAID SOMETHING WAS AGING AND NEEDS TO BE. WHAT IS WHAT WHAT WERE YOU REFERRING TO? YES. SO SO JUST TO CLARIFY ON THAT POINT. SO THE GOING BACK TO OUR BOMA STANDARDS,
WHICH IS WHAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT WHEN WE'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS. SO, SO THE,
THE AGE BASED ISSUE IS THAT THE, THE SYSTEM ITSELF IS REACHING ITS END OF LIFE. AND AS, AS YOU'VE SEEN, THERE ARE WATER INTRUSION ISSUES. 
          AND SO ULTIMATELY WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING IS REPLACEMENT OF CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THAT
SYSTEM TO CORRECT THE DRAINAGE ISSUE. 
          THAT'S ULTIMATELY THE ROOT CAUSE OF WATER INTRUSION IN THE GARAGE. 
          AND SO THAT THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING TO WHEN WE TALK TO FULL REPLACEMENT OF CERTAIN
SYSTEMS WITHIN THE GARAGE. 
          OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND THEN JUST SO I'M CLEAR AND I KNOW AND I APPRECIATE MY
CHAIR. 
          WEST. HE SAID IT AT THE VERY BEGINNING, BUT I JUST AS A MADAM CITY MANAGER AS A POINT OF
CLARITY BASED ON THIS VOTE, IF THIS IF THIS VOTE SAYS YES AND WE MOVE FORWARD,
EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION. COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY. 
          AND I'LL GO BACK TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT I MADE IN MY OPENING. 
          FIRST OF ALL, TODAY IS NOT A FINAL VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT IF CITY HALL STAYS OR IF WE GO
SOMEPLACE ELSE. 
          TODAY IS TO ALLOW FOR US TO CONTINUE TO DO THE MARKET ENGAGEMENT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT
THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. 
          WE DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY BRING YOU BACK ADDITIONAL DATA. 
          THERE WERE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED PREVIOUSLY. 
          AND BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT ENGAGED THE MARKET BEYOND JUST RECEIVING PROPOSALS,
WE'RE NOT REALLY ABLE TO COME BACK WITH SOME REAL COSTS, SOME CONCRETE COSTS WHERE IF THERE ARE POTENTIAL SAVINGS THAT YOU CAN REALLY SEE THOSE. 
          AND SO THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR US TO CONTINUE THAT WORK. 
          WE ALSO HEARD FROM THE FINANCE COMMITTEE ABOUT THE DESIRE TO BEGIN TO EXPLORE OPTIONS FOR
POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT THE 911 EOC AND OUR 311 CALL CENTERS. THAT'S NOT A DECISION. THAT'S OPTIONS THAT WE WOULD BRING BACK TO THIS BODY
AND GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY SEE WHAT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE SCENARIOS ABOUT THE WAY YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO THAT, BUT THAT IS NOT THE VOTE TODAY. 
          THE VOTE TODAY IS TO AND I'VE PHRASED THIS AS GO RUN ANOTHER LAP. 
          WE'VE ONLY MADE IT THROUGH LAP ONE. THIS WOULD GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE THE
WORK, BRING YOU BACK ADDITIONAL DATA THAT YOU'VE REQUESTED TO BE ABLE TO GET YOU TO A TRUE
COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS. 
          AND SO I JUST I MEAN, I SAID IT EARLIER AND I THINK IT IT WAS PRESENTED AS IF TODAY WAS
THE DECISION. 
          CITY HALL'S GONE. WE'RE MOVING. BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. 
          AND THAT IS NOT THE WORK THAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO. WE'RE BEING ASKED TO CONTINUE THE
DATA AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU AT THIS TIME. 
          AND ONE MORE QUESTION. I'LL ASK IT THE OTHER WAY,
JUST IN CASE. 
          SO IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS, THEN WHAT HAPPENS? MAYOR FOR WHAT PURPOSE? THIS IS A BRIEFING, AND WE HAVE A DIFFERENT MEETING THAT IS ON
RECESS TO ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THE 
          [03:00:05]
MOTION. SUSTAINED. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. OKAY. 
          SORRY. OH, YEAH. WELL, YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THOSE QUESTIONS CLARIFIED WHEN WE
GET TO THE SPECIAL CALLED MEETING. 
          WE'RE BACK IN THE BRIEFING. MEETING? TECHNICALLY,
I ALMOST CALLED THE FLAG EARLIER, BUT THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, BUT YOU CAN CONTINUE TO ASK QUESTIONS,
JUST NOT ON ON A VOTE THAT IS NOT BEFORE US. 
          ALL RIGHT, FAIR ENOUGH, FAIR ENOUGH. ALL RIGHT. 
          THE REASON I'M ASKING ALL OF THAT IS BECAUSE I'VE HEARD ALL OF THESE COMMENTS TODAY,
AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEING GOOD STEWARDS. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, IS UNDERSTAND WE'VE GOTTEN RESEARCH TO UNDERSTAND KIND OF WHAT THE BREAKDOWN OF THIS
BUILDING IS. 
          AND ME BEING AN ANALYTICAL PERSON, I NOW WANT TO KNOW ON SLIDE 14,
THOSE ARE SOME OF OUR OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US TO KIND OF START AS A STARTING POINT TO GET US TO AN APPLES TO APPLES ANALYSIS UNDERSTANDING IN THOSE COSTING US,
I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY US ON THE SAVINGS IS ANYWHERE THERE'S A $200 MILLION SAVINGS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WITHIN THAT SIDE,
AS WELL AS ON THE COST TO FIX THIS BUILDING, WHICH I THINK I UNDERSTOOD THAT TO BE. AND THEN FOR ANTICIPATED COST OF THE $40 MILLION
THAT WAS WORKED IN, THAT WAS TO ANTICIPATE ANY OTHER KIND OF FLUCTUATION OF COSTS THAT MAY BE THAT WE NEED TO
INCORPORATE IN ANY ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS. 
          BUT THE FACT IS. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO IN AND PICK ONE OF THOSE AND KIND OF DO AN
ANALYSIS SO WE CAN ACTUALLY GET APPLES TO APPLES. HERE'S WHAT IT COST TO SAVE CITY HALL. 
          HERE'S WHAT IT COST AS OPTIONS. AND THEN MY OTHER ONE IS,
YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE THE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY IN THIS AREA? TO ME, I HEARD EVERYONE SAY WE NEED TO BE GOOD STEWARDS LONG TERM FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY
AND ALL OF THESE THINGS. 
          AND I HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GO. 
          I UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOME, SOME SOME SOME SOME JUSTIFIABLE EVEN CONCERN ABOUT WHAT THE
OUTCOME COULD BE BECAUSE WE ALL LOVE THIS BUILDING. 
          HOWEVER, I WANT US TO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND DO THIS. 
          AND WE CAN CHALLENGE EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR, EVERY SINGLE THING. 
          WE CAN DO THAT ALL DAY. I'M A MATH PERSON. AS ACCOUNTING MAJOR,
WE CAN CHALLENGE THESE NUMBERS ALL DAY. 
          BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO IS A PLACE WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE SOME SOUND DECISIONS
BASED ON REAL DATA. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE. IS THAT WHAT THIS BRIEFING WAS ATTEMPTING TO DO FOR US? IF I COULD JUMP IN. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          GRACEY FOR YOUR COMMENTS. WE HEARD THROUGH EITHER THE FINANCE COMMITTEE,
THROUGH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, AND THROUGH SOME OF THE ONE ON ONE MEETINGS WITH CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS,
THAT THERE WERE SOME ADDITIONAL SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION THAT YOU WANTED TO SEE. 
          THOSE ARE THE SLIDES THAT ARE BEFORE YOU TODAY,
AND WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE ADDITIONAL SLIDES. 
          THOSE WERE NOT SLIDES THAT WERE IN THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION FROM THE FEBRUARY 23RD
FINANCE COMMITTEE. 
          SO THAT'S NEW INFORMATION, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT NEW INFORMATION,
BUT IT'S EXPANDING BASED ON SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MR.. MR. ROTH, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. 
          JUST BEGINNING OF WHAT'S THE WITH REGARD TO YOUR YOUR CONTRACTS AND OBLIGATIONS WITH
REGARD TO US AT THIS POINT? LINDA, THE EDC IS SATISFIED THEIR CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH US. 
          THERE'S NOT ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL PLANNED WORK OR CONSULTING OR OR OR INVESTIGATION ON YOUR
PART, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. COUNCIL MEMBER. OKAY. AND AS FAR AS THE SEABREEZE
MANAGING THE THE PROCESS OF ACCUMULATING THESE OTHER THINGS, ARE WE IS THERE ADDITIONAL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH ANY FUTURE WORK IN CONTINUING
EXPLORATION? OR IS ARE WE UNDER A FIXED CONTRACT OF SOME SORT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED? THERE ARE NO COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH MOVING FORWARD ON THE CBO SIDE. 
          IS THERE ANY OTHER COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH ANY OF THE ANY OF THE THE SUPPORT PEOPLE THAT
HAVE GIVEN US REPORTS IN GETTING ANY OF THIS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION? NOT WITHOUT A CHANGE OF SCOPE, SIR. NOT WITHIN WHAT? WITHOUT A CHANGE OF SCOPE. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE ANY ADDITIONAL MONIES FOR FOR
ANYTHING ELSE. 
          YES. I MEAN, THERE ARE CERTAINLY A NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL. WOULD THERE BE ANTICIPATED THAT
WE WOULD HAVE SOME ANY COST? WITH A CHANGE OF SCOPE, YES. THERE WOULD BE INCREASED COSTS. WITH REGARD TO THE THE 311911
IT HOW MUCH SPACE DO YOU THINK WE ARE NEEDING TO RELOCATE? AND I SAW THE I'M SORT OF CURIOUS BECAUSE I'M SEEING
ONE 
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NUMBER FOR THE AMOUNT THAT'S ANTICIPATED FOR FUTURE AND WHAT WE HAVE HERE. 
          SO MY QUESTION IS HOW MUCH SPACE DOES 311911 HAVE IN THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW. 
          HELLO JASMINE GRIFFITHS WITH CORGAN. WE DID THE SPACE ASSESSMENT. 
          SO THE SPACE THAT EXISTS CURRENTLY IN CITY HALL IS LESS THAN HALF OF WHAT THE SPACE IS
PROJECTED TO NEED TO BE IN THE FUTURE. 
          DO YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION? SO 165,000FT² IS WHAT YOU PROJECTED THE NEED FOR A
RELOCATED SPACE TO BE. 
          BUT YOU'RE SAYING NOW WE HAVE ABOUT 80,000. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY LESS THAN THAT. 
          LESS THAN. SO AND I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THE 165,
THERE'S A 140 NUMBER, WHICH IS A USABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHICH WOULD BE MOST COMPARABLE TO WHAT YOU HAVE TODAY. 
          AND THEN THERE'S THE 165. THAT'S GROSS. IF YOU WERE TO BUILD A BUILDING,
IF THAT'S HELPFUL, THAT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE ELEVATORS AND STAIRS THAT ARE JUST FACTORED INTO THE GENERAL
BUILDING HERE. 
          OKAY. AND SO SO NOW WE HAVE ABOUT ABOUT 10% OF OUR BUILDING IS GIVE OR TAKE IS MAYBE 12%
OF OUR BUILDING IS IS THE EMERGENCY GIVE OR TAKE OUT OF 700,000 WE GOT ABOUT HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT TO SAY 8000. 
          HOW MUCH SPACE DOES THE EOC 911 AND 311 TAKE UP TODAY? I WOULD NOT SAY IT'S 80,000. I WOULD SAY IT'S SOUTH OF 60,000. 
          OKAY. SO IT'S LESS, BUT I OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE THOSE PLANS IN FRONT OF ME. 
          I'M NOT I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU IN A CORNER. 
          I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT IF THEY MOVE,
WE GOT BIGGER SPACE. 
          WE GOT MORE SPACE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO GET. AND THERE MIGHT BE AN ADDITIONAL. 
          THAT'S PART OF THE ADDITIONAL COST TO TO RELOCATE A PERSON,
A GROUP LIKE THAT. 
          RIGHT. THEY CURRENTLY HAVE DEFICIENT SPACE FOR WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE. 
          ARE THEY UNDER THE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE FOR THESE THESE TWO STANDARDS,
THE APCO AND THE NINA STANDARDS. 
          ARE WE IN ARE WE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE STANDARDS? ARE WE IN VIOLATION? ARE WE IN A DESPERATE SITUATION WHERE WE ARE NOT OPERATING LICENSED
WISE OR PROPERLY WISE, OR ARE WE DOING ARE WE OKAY RIGHT NOW? SO TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION,
I'M JUST GOING TO HAVE TO REFER BACK TO THE STANDARD. THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE OPERATE IN A,
IN A SO THE STANDARD IS THAT WE OPERATE MORE IN IN IN A PURPOSE,
PURPOSE BUILT FACILITY. 
          TODAY WE, WE ARE FACED WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF THE,
THE BUILDING ITSELF IS GIVING US THE ALL THE ACTIVITY AROUND THE BUILDING IS NOT PUTTING US IN THE BEST POSITION TO OPERATE
SOLELY WHENEVER 911 IS TRULY NEEDED THE MOST. 
          IF GIVEN WE HAVE ALL OUR CRITICAL EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS IN THIS BUILDING,
IT BECOMES DIFFICULT. 
          AS FAR AS THE STANDARDS CONCERNED, THIS IS NOT A CERTIFICATION FROM FROM THEIR STANDARD. 
          THOSE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS. SO ARE WE IN A CRITICAL NEED? I WILL NOT DESCRIBE IT AS A CRITICAL NEED. IT'S JUST WE'RE NOT OPERATING UNDER BEST
PRACTICES TODAY. 
          SO, ASPIRATIONALLY, WE WOULD LIKE TO GET A BETTER PLACE. 
          WE'D LIKE TO BE UP TO THE CURRENT STANDARD BEST PRACTICES. 
          BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO MOVE RIGHT NOW, DO WE? THAT'S A GOOD ASSESSMENT. 
          YES, SIR. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR FROM YOU. 
          SO ONE OF THE ONE OF THE PROVISIONS IN THIS WAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT MOVING
311911 AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. 
          WHEN I HEARD THAT AND I SAW THAT, THAT MADE ME NERVOUS. 
          THAT MADE ME SEEM LIKE, WHAT ARE WHAT ARE WE IN TROUBLE HERE? SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE NOT. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR YOUR DIRECTNESS AND YOUR AND YOUR
FORTHRIGHTNESS ON THE TECH COSTS 13.5 MILLION BUCKS. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE. IF WE WANTED TO JAZZ UP OUR,
OUR LOCAL I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKMON SAID THAT 13.5 MILLION FOR THE TECHNOLOGY PORTION OF THE EOC WOULD APPLY TO EITHER RELOCATION OR HERE. 
          YES, SIR. OKAY. AS FAR AS ASBESTOS IS CONCERNED,
IT LOOKED LIKE THE THE REALLY THE FRIABLE ASBESTOS WAS REALLY IN THE FLOOR AND IN THE IN THE TILE AND STUFF. 
          MOST OF THE ASBESTOS IDENTIFIED WAS REALLY IN WRAPPING AND IN HARD POSITIONS. 
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DO WE HAVE IF THOSE IF THAT INSULATION AND THE HVAC ASBESTOS IS NOT DISTURBED,
DO WE HAVE AN ASBESTOS PROBLEM HERE? DISTURBANCE IS REQUIRED. 
          DISTURBANCE IS REQUIRED TO CREATE A SIGNIFICANT LIABILITY. 
          RIGHT. SO AS LONG AS IT'S NOT DISTURBED, AS LONG AS THERE'S NO DIFFICULTY,
WE DON'T HAVE AN ASBESTOS PROBLEM OF STUFF BLOWING AROUND, IS IT? IF STUFF BLOWING AROUND OUT HERE, EVERYBODY'S AFRAID. 
          YOU'RE MAKING IT SOUND LIKE WE'VE GOT A THAT WE'RE BREATHING IN ASBESTOS. 
          I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A FEAR FACTOR HERE. AND I'M NOT BLAMING YOU. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS STUFF THAT'S ENCAPSULATED. 
          STUFF THAT'S SECURED. STUFF THAT'S NOT DISTURBED IS OKAY,
RIGHT? I THINK THAT'S GENERALLY ACCURATE. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          THE POINT WAS, WOULD YOU HAVE TO DO ANY REMEDIATION IF THE BUILDING WAS BEING RENOVATED,
RETROFITTED, CORRECTED? IF IT WAS IN THOSE SITUATIONS, IT WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE DISTURBED AND REQUIRE
SPECIAL HANDLING IN YOUR BIDS FOR IN YOUR ESTIMATIONS FOR FACILITY INTERIORS AND IMPROVEMENTS YOU'VE PROVIDED FOR REMODELING IS. 
          I'M SORRY. I'M AT YOUR. YOU KEEP TALKING WHILE I SAY THAT TIME. 
          OH WELL THE. ANYWAY, THAT REALLY IS YOUR TIME. 
          I'M SORRY. YEAH. THAT'S YOUR TIME. I'M SORRY. 
          THANK YOU. YEAH. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. COUNCIL MEMBER ROTH,
I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK TO ONE THING, BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO CHIME IN AS YOU WERE ASKING THE QUESTIONS ABOUT CBR
SPECIFICALLY. 
          WE ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH A PROCUREMENT PROCESS TO OBTAIN A BROKER FOR THE CITY,
AND YOU APPROVED A CONTRACT IN DECEMBER. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT CBR OUR EASE ENGAGEMENT. 
          AND ALL OF THIS IS BECAUSE THEY'RE ACTUALLY UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS AFTER
WE'VE GONE THROUGH A COMPETITIVE PROCESS TO SELECT THEM. 
          I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT THERE. SO WE'RE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THE ROLE THAT THEY'RE
PLAYING. 
          THEY WORK FOR THE CITY ON THIS ENGAGEMENT. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THERE WAS STILL SOME
ADDITIONAL OKAY REQUIREMENTS. 
          BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT. MR. BAZALDUA. YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU. MAYOR. WHAT SPECIFIC LIFE SAFETY RISKS REQUIRE FULL VACANCY FOR FIVE YEARS AND
HAVE ANY INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY ENGINEERS CONCLUDED THE BUILDING IS UNSAFE FOR CONTINUED OCCUPANCY? I'LL TAKE THAT FIRST. 
          YES. I'LL DEFER TO MY COLLEAGUES ONLINE, BUT I WILL PROVIDE A A PARTIAL ANSWER THERE,
WHICH IS AS PART OF OUR COST ESTIMATION PROCESS DURING THE FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT, WE. YES. AS PART OF DOING OUR FACILITY CONDITION
ASSESSMENT, WE HAVE TO MAKE A BASELINE ASSUMPTION. AND AS PART OF OUR BASELINE ASSUMPTION,
WE DON'T NECESSARILY DICTATE A SPECIFIC TIME, BUT WE DO OPERATE UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE BUILDING IS VACANT FOR THOSE REPAIRS,
BECAUSE A PHASING PROCESS WOULD REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP A COST ESTIMATE FOR THAT. SO OUR COST ESTIMATES ASSUME A VACANT BUILDING IN ORDER
TO HAVE A CONSISTENT BASELINE PER OUR COST ESTIMATION PROCESS. 
          KURT, OR ANYONE ELSE ONLINE IS HAPPY TO ADD CONTENT TO THAT. 
          YEAH, THE ONLY THING I WAS GOING TO ADD IS, FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL PERSPECTIVE,
THE SYSTEM RENEWALS THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING ARE GOING TO REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT RENOVATION ACTIVITIES OPENING WALLS, CEILINGS,
STRUCTURAL ASSEMBLIES. 
          AND SO THAT IS GOING TO DISTURB THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES THAT WE ALLUDED TO EARLIER. 
          AND THAT IS ALSO CONTRIBUTING TO THAT RECOMMENDATION. 
          HAVE WE MODELED A PHASED RENOVATION SCENARIO WITH PARTIAL OCCUPANCY? IF SO, WHERE IS THAT COST COMPARISON? WE HAVE NOT,
SIR. 
          THAT IS BEYOND OUR REMIT. IT'S BEYOND OUR REMIT FOR THIS SCOPE. 
          SO WHAT EXACTLY WAS YOUR SCOPE? CAN YOU GIVE ME AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST OF WHAT YOUR SCOPE WAS
FOR THIS ASSESSMENT? YES, SIR. OUR SCOPE WAS TO PROVIDE A FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT FOR THIS BUILDING THAT
IDENTIFIES, PER ASTM STANDARDS, DEFICIENCIES IN THE SYSTEMS,
IDENTIFY CORRECTIVE ACTION AND TO PRICE THOSE CORRECTIVE ACTIONS. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY DIFFERENT SCOPE? ARE YOU DIRECTING THAT TO ME? YEAH I HAVE NO DIFFERENT SCOPE RELATED TO FCAS. 
          SO WHERE IN THE SCOPE OF THE STATE OF REPAIR CITY HALL,
WERE YOU CHARGED TO LOOK AT NEW LOCATIONS FOR CITY HALL, THAT IS. SO THERE WERE THERE WERE DIFFERENT TRACKS IN TERMS OF OUR ASSIGNMENT. 
          ONE WAS THE THE WORK THAT AECOM AND THE OTHER ENGINEERING FIRMS DID RELATIVE TO THE
REPAIRS FOR CITY HALL. 
          AND THE SECOND PIECE WAS TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE REAL ESTATE OPTIONS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL
TO CONSIDER. 
          SO CBRE IS ALREADY UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE CITY. 
          TO BE CLEAR, THOUGH, THAT'S THAT'S NOT WHAT THE MOTION STATED. 
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IT WASN'T ABOUT CITY HALL LOCATIONS. IT WAS HOW CITY HALL FIT INTO THE MASTER PLAN OF THE
KAY BAILEY HUTCHISON CENTER. 
          IT DID NOT SPECIFY NEW LOCATIONS. I'M ASKING BECAUSE I'M CURIOUS ON YOU ALL WERE CHARGED
TO GIVE US AN ASSESSMENT THAT HAS BEEN SCRUTINIZED TO THE UMPTEENTH DEGREE,
BECAUSE I THINK THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US COMPLETELY INFLATED NUMBERS. 
          AND MEANWHILE, YOU ALL ALREADY STARTED ON LOOKING FOR NEW BUILDINGS. 
          AND I'M CURIOUS IF YOU DON'T INTEND TO LOOK AT YOUR REPORT AS A PREDETERMINED OUTCOME. 
          WHY YOU WERE EMAILING COUNCIL MEMBERS AND WANTING TO SET TOURS UP OF POTENTIAL NEW CITY
HALL SITES AS EARLY AS DECEMBER. SO THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION WAS GIVEN WAS
SEVERAL DIFFERENT TASKS, AND ONE TASK WAS THE ASSESSMENT OF CITY HALL. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T HAVE THE ILA ADDENDUM WITH ME,
BUT THE SECOND THERE WAS A SEPARATE TASK, HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CONVENTION CENTER. 
          IT HAD ONLY TO DO WITH LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVE REAL ESTATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE CITY TO
CONSIDER. 
          I BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING SECTIONS THREE AND FOUR ARE COMBINED TO READ AS FOLLOWS. 
          THE CITY MANAGER IS DIRECTED TO EVALUATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPTIONS FOR CITY HALL IN A
WAY THAT IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE KAY BAILEY HUTCHISON CONVENTION CENTER. 
          WERE YOU GIVEN A SCOPE THAT WAS BEYOND THE MOTION THAT THIS COUNCIL VOTED ON? SO THIS IS THIS IS EXHIBIT A OF THE ILA. SO EVALUATE NUMBER ONE TASK EVALUATE OFFICE SPACE
NEEDS FOR DEPARTMENTS CURRENTLY LOCATED WITHIN CITY HALL IN OAK CLIFF MUNICIPAL CENTER AND OTHER MAJOR CITY STAFF
FACILITIES. 
          THE SECOND TASK WAS REVIEW OFFICE SPACE AVAILABLE FOR LEASE AND PURCHASE CITYWIDE,
AND DEVELOP A LIST OF PROPOSED SITES FOR CREATION OF ONE OR MORE NEW GOVERNMENT CENTER OFFICES. REVIEW ALTERNATE SITING OPTIONS FOR NONTRADITIONAL OFFICE USES CURRENTLY HOUSED
AT CITY HALL, SUCH AS DATA CENTER, SPACE CALL CENTER STAFF,
EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER SPACE, CEREMONIAL SPACE, AND CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS. NUMBER THREE COMPARE THE COST TO LEASE,
BUY, OR BUILD REPLACEMENT OFFICE SPACE VERSUS THE COST TO REPAIR CITY HALL AND THEN RETAIN THE NUMBER FOUR WAS RETAINED. 
          EXTERNAL EXPERTISE PURSUANT TO APPLICABLE LAWS TO REVIEW CITY HALL REPAIR NEEDS AND COSTS. 
          SO A AECOM AND THE OTHER ENGINEERS ASSISTED US WITH TASK NUMBER FOUR AND ONE,
TWO AND THREE, WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CONVENTION CENTER SITE WAS TASKED FOR CBRE TO COMPLETE
THAT WORK, AND THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE ASKED TO DO THROUGH OUR INTERLOCAL ADDENDUM,
INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT ADDENDUM BY CITY COUNCIL AND CITY MANAGER, SO I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA,
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR RAISING THAT QUESTION IN THE NOVEMBER 12TH, 2025 RESOLUTION. THAT WAS BEFORE THE COUNCIL. 
          THE ITEMS THAT MRS. MCMAHON HAS LISTED OUT, WHAT WE PROVIDED IN THE ILA IS DIRECTLY OUT OF
THE RESOLUTION, AND I WAS ASKING STAFF TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A COPY OF IT. 
          SO IN ADDITION TO THE MOTION, WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE EXHIBIT A,
WHICH IS WHAT WE PUT INTO THE AGREEMENT FOR THE ILA, ARE THOSE EXACT THINGS OUT OF THE RESOLUTION? SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR THERE WAS AN EXPECTATION FOR US TO BELIEVE
THAT WE WERE GETTING AN OBJECTIVE REPORT WHILE YOU WERE SIMULTANEOUSLY LOOKING AT A PREDETERMINED OUTCOME AND RELOCATING US TO A NEW BUILDING. 
          I DISAGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT. THERE IS NO I DISAGREE WITH Y'ALLS. 
          WELL, I RESPECTFULLY, I APPRECIATE THAT POINT OF VIEW. 
          THE REALITY IS, IS WE WERE TASKED WITH GIVING YOU OBJECTIVE INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN BY
QUALIFIED AND, WELL, YOU KNOW, RESPECTED ORGANIZATIONS, COMPANIES THAT DO THIS WORK IN THE COURSE OF
THEIR DAILY WORK. 
          AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANY QUESTION ABOUT THE QUALIFICATIONS OF THE ENGINEERS. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU CONTINUE TO TO TAKE UP THIS LINE OF QUESTIONING TO A DEFENSE. 
          I'VE NOT SCRUTINIZED THE ABILITY OF THE COMPANIES THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH. 
          I'M SIMPLY SAYING, WITH YOU ALL'S EXPERIENCE AND THE THE COMPANIES THAT YOU ALL HAVE
REPRESENTED, I WOULD I WOULD THINK WITH HOW I KNOW YOU, AT LEAST YOU WOULD EXPECT TO HAVE MORE
INFORMATION, A MORE COMPREHENSIVE OUTLOOK, TO HAVE AN INFORMED DECISION AND NOT THIS PIECEMEAL APPROACH
REPORT THAT YOU ALL HAVE PROVIDED FOR US. 
          WE WE FEEL THAT WE'VE COMPLETED THE TASK THAT WE WERE ASSIGNED. 
          AND IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL TASKS THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE EDC OR ANY OTHER
ENTITY TO PERFORM, THAT IS IS YOUR OPTION AND DEFINITELY OPEN TO THAT. 
          SO IF IF MY ENGINE LIGHT GOES ON IN MY CAR, YOU THINK THAT IT'S PROBABLY MOST PRUDENT TO
JUST GO BUY A NEW ONE? I'M NOT A MECHANIC, SIR. AS AN INDEPENDENT STRUCTURAL ENGINEER CERTIFIED THAT THE BUILDING
IS UNSAFE FOR 
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CONTINUED OCCUPANCY UNDER CURRENT LOAD CONDITIONS. 
          JEFF READ WITH URBAN STRUCTURES AVAILABLE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. 
          GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. MY NAME IS JEFF REED. I'M WITH URBAN STRUCTURE. 
          I WAS A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WHO WORKED ON THIS PROJECT. 
          IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE TO SERVE THE CITY. AND WE'RE PROUD TO BE HERE. 
          WE'VE DONE OUR WORK WITH INTEGRITY, AND WE HAVE REVIEWED THE SAFETY OF THE BUILDING. 
          AND AS WE HAVE SAID FROM THE BEGINNING, AS OUR REPORT SAYS,
AND AS AECOM'S REPORT SAYS, THERE ARE NO LIFE SAFETY ISSUES WITH THIS BUILDING. 
          THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY RED TAG OR CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATIONS REQUIRING ANY EVACUATION
FOR ANY TEMPORARY OR LONG PERIOD TIME? THERE IS NONE THAT WOULD REQUIRE EVACUATION,
SIR. 
          OKAY. IF LIFE SAFETY SYSTEMS, FIRE SUPPRESSION,
ARMS EGRESS, LIGHTING ARE UPGRADED FIRST, CAN OCCUPANCY SAFELY CONTINUE? FROM A STRICTLY STRUCTURAL PERSPECTIVE,
SIR. 
          YES. CAN SOMEONE FROM STAFF TALK ABOUT THE FUNDING MECHANISM USED FOR THE GARAGE
UNDERGROUND, PLEASE? JACK, CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THAT ONE? HE SAID THE FUNDING MECHANISM FOR THE GARAGE. 
          CORRECT. ARE YOU ASKING HOW IT WAS FUNDED AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION? IS THAT THE QUESTION? YES, SIR. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER,
I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ASK, PLEASE, IF YOU COULD CLARIFY THE QUESTION, BECAUSE I. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHEN I WAS WALKING OUT. 
          I CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT. LET ME JUST SIT DOWN FOR A SECOND. 
          SO IF YOUR QUESTION IS ABOUT THE FUNDING THAT WAS USED TO BUILD THE GARAGE INITIALLY,
I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS THE CONVENTION CENTER. 
          BUT MR. IRELAND, CAN YOU MAKE SURE THAT MY ANSWER IS CORRECT? SO AGAIN, I'M SORRY, MISS TOLBERT. I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE ARE YOU
ASKING HOW IT WAS BUILT? YEAH. SO WHEN WE BUILT THE CURRENT GARAGE FOR CITY HALL,
WHAT FUNDING SOURCE WAS USED? I THINK I THINK I'M RIGHT, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU CONFIRM THAT. 
          SO. YES, SIR, I APOLOGIZE. I MISUNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION. 
          YES. PART OF THE FUNDING FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE GARAGE WAS THROUGH THE CONVENTION
CENTER. 
          SO IS THAT CONSIDERED CONVENTION CENTER PARKING? BECAUSE WE'RE CONNECTED UNDERGROUND. IT
HAS BEEN LONG USED AS PARKING FOR CITY HALL. THERE HAS BEEN A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CONVENTION CENTER FOR PAYMENT OF THE WE
COLLECTED FEES FOR PARKING. 
          THOSE FEES WERE TRANSFERRED TO THE CONVENTION CENTER AND USED FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE
GARAGE SUCH AS CUSTODIAL ELECTRICITY AND SUCH. 
          THERE'S BEEN AN ONGOING RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO FUNDS WHEN IT WAS PURCHASED AND
CONSTRUCTED WITH CONVENTION CENTER FUNDS. 
          WOULD THAT NOT MAKE IT ELIGIBLE FOR HOT FUNDS TO BE UTILIZED TO HELP MAINTAIN AND REPAIR? I WOULD HAVE TO RESEARCH THAT. I'M NOT SURE,
SIR. 
          EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THAT HADN'T BEEN RESEARCHED AND WHY WE'RE BEING GIVEN THESE GRIM NUMBERS
WITH NO INNOVATIVE APPROACH TO HOW A FUNDING STACK COULD ACTUALLY BE ACCOMPLISHABLE. 
          INSTEAD OF MAKING IT VERY CLEAR THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ACCOMPLISHABLE SO THAT WE HAVE
THAT PREDETERMINED OUTCOME, THAT THIS REPORT. SO I THINK FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME,
IT'S BEEN UNDERSTOOD THAT THE GARAGE IS USED PRIMARILY BY CITY HALL. 
          AND SO USING FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN DEDICATED TO THE CONVENTION CENTER HAVE NOT BEEN PURSUED
FOR THE 30 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE GARAGE. SO THEN, IN THAT CASE, WHAT FUNDS HAVE BEEN USED TO MAINTAIN THE OUTSIDE GROUNDS
OF THIS CITY HALL? I'M NOT SURE, SIR, I AM. IT'S THE PARKS DEPARTMENT,
CORRECT. 
          OH, THE GROUNDS FOR. CORRECT. THE PLAZA? YES. 
          THE PLAZA. YES, SIR. AND SO IF IF YOUR THOUGHT IS THAT WE HAVEN'T EXPLORED BECAUSE IT'S
CONSIDERED TO BE CITY HALL PARKING, IF THIS IS CONSIDERED TO BE PARKLAND, WHY ARE WE CONSIDERING WHAT THE FATE OF THIS PARCEL
IS, WITHOUT LOOKING AT WHAT THAT DOES TO IT BEING A DESIGNATED PARKLAND LIKE WE HAVEN'T,
WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THE NEED FOR IT TO GO TO VOTERS. 
          WHAT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. I'M. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND,
JACK. 
          I'LL JUMP ON THAT ONE. I KNOW YOU'RE HAVING TROUBLE HEARING ON THAT. WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY
DECISIONS OR ANY DISCUSSION OR ANY DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL ABOUT SELLING THIS PROPERTY. 
          AND EARLIER TODAY, SOME PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT DEMOLISHING THIS PROPERTY. 
          THERE'S BEEN NO DISCUSSION OR DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS. I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO ANSWER MY QUESTION. I'M SORRY. 
          CAN YOU RESTATE THE QUESTION IF I IF I DIDN'T,
I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE FUNDING THAT WAS USED TO MAINTAIN THE OUTSIDE. 
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IF WHAT WE WERE JUST TOLD WAS THAT THE REASON THAT FUNDING WASN'T EXPLORED BECAUSE THE
GARAGE HAS BEEN PREDOMINANTLY USED FOR CITY HALL EMPLOYEES, WHY WE'RE NOT USING THAT SAME THEORY AND MINDSET FOR THE CITY HALL PLAZA AND THE PEOPLE'S
PLAZA THAT WE'VE BEEN USING FUNDS FROM THE PARKS DEPARTMENT TO MAINTAIN. 
          I HAVEN'T SEEN THEM BE A PART OF THIS CONVERSATION YET AT ALL YET. 
          SO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS, IS WHAT WOULD BE THE STRUCTURAL PLAN TO FUND REPAIRS TO CITY
HALL. 
          SO AS DON MENTIONED, THERE'S NOT A PLAN PUT TOGETHER YET. 
          WE'RE ASKING COUNCIL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE ALL THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO US. 
          AND ONCE WE HAVE ADDITIONAL DIRECTION, WE WOULD COME UP WITH FUNDING PLANS. 
          THERE'S NOT A SINGLE FUNDING PLAN THAT WE PRESENTED AT THIS POINT OF HOW WE WOULD ADDRESS
THE REPAIRS OR HOW WE WOULD ADDRESS RELOCATION. 
          WE WERE SEEKING ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE FROM THE COUNCIL ON DIRECTION AND THEN I BELIEVE HAS
BEEN ADDRESSED PREVIOUSLY, WOULD PUT TOGETHER FINANCIAL PLANS ONCE WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE REALLY COMPARING. 
          AND ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE US THE SAME INFORMATION IN COMPARISONS WITH CONTINGENCIES ON IF
THE VOTERS WERE TO ACCEPT OR TO DENY THE SALE OF THIS PROPERTY. THAT'S NOT A QUESTION THAT WE CAN ANSWER RIGHT NOW. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. I DO APPRECIATE IT. AND WE JUST NEED TO GO DO SOME ADDITIONAL ADDITIONAL
DUE DILIGENCE TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT EFFECTIVELY. 
          WE'RE NOT PREPARED TO GO INTO THAT QUESTION AT THIS MOMENT. 
          WE HAVEN'T DEVELOPED A FINANCING PLAN. WE DON'T HAVE ANY DIRECTION OTHER THAN WHAT WE'VE
BROUGHT, WHICH IS THE ASSESSMENT AT THIS TIME. AND WHAT WE'RE SEEKING IS FOR DIRECTION ON HOW YOU'D
LIKE FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          BUT HOW DO WE KNOW HOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO MOVE FORWARD TO SAVE IT FOR THE NEXT ROUND? YOU HAVE TO SAY THANK YOU. I'LL GO TO THE NEXT ROUND. YEAH. 
          CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU. FIRST, MAYOR, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ALL OF THE SPEAKERS TO TALK
TODAY FOR FULL THREE MINUTES. 
          I THINK THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY EVEN EXPECT THAT. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN THE ONLY TRANSPARENT THING THAT'S HAPPENED WITH THIS WHOLE
PROCESS. 
          I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY SHAMEFUL THAT WE HAVE NOT INVOLVED OUR RESIDENTS IN THIS
DISCUSSION. 
          AND I WILL ALSO SAY IT'S SHAMEFUL THAT THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE HAS NOT HAD A BRIEFING
ON THIS 911. 
          I'M REALLY ACTUALLY LIVID ABOUT THE WHOLE THING. 
          SO I'M GOING TO START WITH ASBESTOS AND THEN I'LL GO TO 911. 
          THE FIRST THING I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY IS THAT COUNCILOR RIDLEY AND I JOINED TOGETHER
FOR TWO DIFFERENT MEETINGS WITH THE EDC AND CONSULTANTS, AND HIS RECOLLECTION OF WHAT HE WAS TOLD ABOUT THOSE NUMBERS WAS MY RECOLLECTION. 
          AND SO I DON'T AT ALL APPRECIATE THE REVISIONIST HISTORY THAT IS BEING SHARED TODAY. 
          AND IT ONLY FURTHER DISILLUSIONS US WHEN WE KNOW THAT WHAT WE HEARD AT ONE POINT IS NOW
SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          SO FOR THE ASBESTOS THERE IS A DISCUSSION WHEN I WAS OUT OF THE ROOM ABOUT FIRE STATIONS. 
          AND PERHAPS YOU NEED A CHIEF ARTIST. BUT HOW ABOUT FIRE STATION 49,
WHICH SITS ON THE EXECUTIVE AIRPORT PROPERTY? HOW ABOUT THAT ASBESTOS REMEDIATION? WHY DON'T YOU TELL US WHAT HAPPENED THERE? PLEASE STOP MY TIME. MY TIME'S BEEN GOING. MR. MENDELSOHN, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE DIRECT INFORMATION ON STATION 49,
BUT WE CAN GET THAT FOR YOU. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THAT TONIGHT, CHIEF ARTIST. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY RECOLLECTION OR INFORMATION RELATIVE TO ASBESTOS ABATEMENT AT STATION 49? WELL, I'M GOING TO POINT OF ORDER. THIS I DON'T THIS IS SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GETTING WAY
BEYOND THE SCOPE AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER FIRE STATIONS. MAYBE THE QUESTION JUST NEEDS TO BE TAILORED A LITTLE MORE FOR STATION 49. 
          DIDN'T WE DO ASBESTOS REMEDIATION WHILE IT WAS STILL IN OPERATION? I'LL HAVE TO LOOK COUNCILWOMAN, I KNOW THAT WE'VE DONE 3 TO 4 STATIONS WHERE WE HAD. 
          WE HAVE MOVED FOLKS OUT, BUT WE'VE ALSO HAD OTHERS THAT WE'VE DONE LOCALIZED. 
          WELL, IT'S ACTUALLY WORSE THAN MEDIATION. IT'S WORSE THAN THAT BECAUSE I ACTUALLY WENT AND
VISITED 49. 
          I WORKED, I WENT IN THE KITCHEN. I WORKED THERE FOR FIVE WERE BROKEN TAILS,
ASBESTOS, SAME POINT OF ORDER. 
          COUNCILWOMAN CAN CAN WE TRY TO CAN WE TRY TO NARROWLY. 
          THERE'S A NARRATIVE THAT WE WILL SOMEHOW BE PUTTING OUR STAFF IN DANGER,
BUT YET OUR FIREFIGHTERS, WHO HAVE AN ACTUAL ASBESTOS HEALTH ISSUE THAT WE ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO REMEDIATE. 
          WE'RE LIVING WITH BROKEN ASBESTOS TILES IN THAT FIRE STATION. 
          THAT'S A FACT. AND IT WAS REMEDIATED WITHIN THE WEEK WHILE THE STATION WAS IN OPERATION. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I TRY TO I TRY TO BE GENEROUS WITH THE GERMANENESS REQUIREMENTS,
BUT I DO THINK IT'S GETTING WE WILL BE HERE ALL NIGHT LONG 
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IF WE OH, I'M PRETTY SURE WE'RE GOING TO BE IF WE IF WE ALLOW IT TO GET THE SCOPE TO WIDEN
THAT MUCH, I THINK. WOULD YOU SAY ASBESTOS IS LOCALIZED OR WIDESPREAD IN THIS BUILDING? WE'VE DONE ONE SURVEY OF ASBESTOS IN THE BUILDING,
AND THE RESULTS ARE THE RESULTS. 
          IT'S THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING. THIS IS ONE SAMPLING,
AND IT WAS NONINVASIVE. 
          SO WE CANNOT SAY WITH CERTAINTY WHERE ELSE ASBESTOS IS. 
          SO I CAN'T PAINT IN BROAD STROKES FOR YOU. WOULD YOU SAY TILE IN GENERAL BEFORE 1980 HAS
ASBESTOS IN IT? I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON CONSTRUCTION DATES AND MATERIAL DATES. 
          WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE PHOTO YOU HAVE IN THE APPENDIX OF THE PIPES IS NOT AN AREA THAT WE
HAVE PEOPLE WORKING GENERALLY? I MEAN, NO ONE'S GOT A DESK IN THERE, RIGHT? NO. 
          I MEAN, YOU ALL ARE PERFECTLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING RIGHT
NOW. 
          WELL, CITY MANAGER, I WILL SAY THAT IF ASBESTOS IS THIS KIND OF AN ISSUE FOR CITY HALL,
WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT IT FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR FACILITIES, AND WE MIGHT WANT TO REPRIORITIZE. THANK YOU. 
          BEYOND THE SCOPE A BIT, BUT OKAY, WELL, LOOK,
WE ALL CARE ABOUT OUR EMPLOYEES AND THEIR SAFETY. 
          I UNDERSTAND, I'M REALLY I'M REALLY TRYING TO CALL BALLS AND STRIKES FAIRLY HERE AS I
ALWAYS TRY TO DO. 
          I'M JUST SAYING IT'S A LITTLE IT'S EXPANDED THE SCOPE A BIT TOO MUCH. 
          OKAY. WELL LET'S GO OVER TO 901. SO. COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKMON WAS ASKING ABOUT WHAT IF THIS WENT ON THE FIRE ACADEMY PROPERTY, RIGHT? YEAH. WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? SORRY IF THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S LONG BEEN IN
DISCUSSION, WHICH IS NEWS TO ME. I ONLY FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS WITH THIS WHOLE PROCESS. 
          WHY DIDN'T WE INCLUDE IT IN THE UNT POLICE ACADEMY? WHY DID THAT PART OF THE PLAN. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS BACK IN,
I SUPPOSE IT STARTED IN 22. 
          AND THEN WE HAD IT IN OUR WHEN WE WERE GOING TO REDO THE ACADEMY AT DOLPHIN. 
          THEN WE WERE IT WAS JUST IN DISCUSSION THEN WE REALIZED YOU KNOW,
THE POLICE ACADEMY NEEDED THEY NEEDED A NEW POLICE ACADEMY MORE THAN WE DID AT THAT TIME. 
          SO THERE'D BE A REAL LONG DELAY. AND THAT'S WHY WE JUST STARTED LOOKING AT OTHER OPTIONS. 
          AND WHY HASN'T IT BEEN BRIEFED TO PUBLIC SAFETY IF YOU'VE BEEN POINT OF ORDER. 
          OKAY. BECAUSE WE'RE JUST SIMPLY LOOKING WITH POINT OF ORDER. 
          DIDN'T GET TO THAT POINT. AND IT'S IT'S NOT MY PLACE. 
          JUST HOLD ON. SO, ROBERT, YOU WENT THROUGH YOUR BACKGROUND WITH THIS WHAT COMMAND STAFF
HAVE YOU TALKED WITH IN DEVELOPING THIS PRESENTATION? THERE HAVE BEEN NO DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMMAND STAFF ON ON THIS
PARTICULAR PIECE. 
          I'M SORRY, THE DEVELOPMENT OF DAUPHIN. WAS THAT THE QUESTION? NOPE. IT'S ABOUT THIS PRESENTATION. I'M TRYING TO STAY GERMANE. 
          UNDERSTOOD. SO WE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH CHIEF ARTIS AND THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE STAFF AS WELL. 
          AND CHIEF COMO JUST. CHIEF. ALEX. YEAH. CHIEF ALEX WAS IN THE ROOM WITH US. 
          YES. AND HOW LONG? THAT WAS JUST THIS I BELIEVE IT WAS MONDAY OR TUESDAY. 
          OKAY. SO, NOT INVOLVED IN PUTTING THIS PRESENTATION TOGETHER? CORRECT. SO IF I COULD JUST JUMP IN FOR JUST A MINUTE,
I DO APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS. 
          I GAVE DIRECTION TO MY TEAM ABOUT ADDITIONAL SLIDES THAT WE WANTED TO PRESENT BASED ON
FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS AND QUESTIONS THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE NUMBER OF CITIES THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET IN, LESS THAN PROBABLY 24 HOURS,
CAME FROM THE LARGE CITIES EXECUTIVE FORM, WHICH IS A CONGLOMERATION OF CITIES WITH 250,000 OR MORE POPULATIONS THAT I ACTUALLY
PARTICIPATE IN. 
          SO THAT SLIDE CAME DIRECTLY FROM THOSE CITIES THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE FORM. 
          WELL, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, BUT THE DIRECTION OF THE ADDITIONAL SLIDES IN THAT
PRESENTATION CAME FROM ME TO MY TEAM. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS CLEAR. WELL,
THEN LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT THESE CITIES OF THE CITIES LISTED HERE. 
          HOW MANY OF THOSE WERE PURPOSE BUILT? THE DETAILS THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING IS NOT WHAT'S ON THE SLIDE BEFORE YOU TODAY. 
          WHAT WE ASKED THE CITIES CURRENTLY ARE THERE 911 EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTERS ARE 311
CENTERS LOCATED WITHIN THEIR CITY 
          [03:35:04]
HALLS. THAT WAS THE QUESTION. IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL DETAILS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO
PROVIDE FROM THOSE CITIES, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT FOR YOU. 
          WELL, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT IN DALLAS, OUR 911 CENTER WAS PURPOSE BUILT. 
          IT WAS ENVISIONED TO BE THERE WHEN THIS BUILDING WAS DESIGNED AND MANY OF THESE LOCATIONS. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE SITUATION. AND THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT OUTCOME. 
          RIGHT NOW WE GOT A STORM. MAYBE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HAIL AND TORNADO. 
          THERE IS NOWHERE SAFER IN THIS ENTIRE CITY THAN THIS ACTUAL BUILDING. 
          AND I'LL BET YOU THAT SOME OF THESE LOCATIONS DON'T HAVE THAT SAME THING. 
          YOU USE THE EXAMPLE OF OF AN EARTHQUAKE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT. 
          BUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE TORNADOES. AND I DON'T KNOW,
I HEARD A RESIDENT SAY THAT SHE THINKS WE'RE GOING TO BE IN A MALL AND PRETTY MUCH ANY WEATHER FORECAST WITH A TORNADO. THE ROOF OF A MALL OR A CONVENIENCE STORE HAS BEEN
RIPPED OFF. 
          SO I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          HAVE WE CONSIDERED LOCATION IN TERMS OF WHERE THE WORKFORCE IS? I'LL JUMP IN. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE QUESTION. 
          WE HAVE NOT GONE INTO ANY LEVEL OF DETAIL. COUNCILWOMAN MENDELSOHN ABOUT ANY POTENTIAL
LOCATION. 
          I CAN'T RESPOND TO WHAT'S OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR ANY OTHER SITES. 
          WE HAVE NOT DONE THE DUE DILIGENCE TO BE ABLE TO BRING BACK THOSE OPTIONS TO YOU. 
          WHAT WE WANT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE THOSE OPTIONS,
IF THAT'S THE DESIRE AND THE GUIDANCE FROM THE CITY COUNCIL TONIGHT. 
          BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE QUESTION. WELL,
I WOULD PERHAPS REFUTE, GIVEN THE INFORMATION WE'VE RECEIVED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, THAT THAT MAY NOT BE ACCURATE. SO I'M NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WAS DISCUSSED IN CLOSED
SESSION. 
          THANK YOU. BUT AGAIN NOT PARTICULARLY ACCURATE STATEMENT. 
          WOULD YOU SAY THAT IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR ANY EMERGENCY OPERATION,
911 CALL CENTER TO HAVE A PERIMETER THAT IS HIGHLY SECURE. THAT IS ONE OF THE STANDARDS THAT IS SET OUT THROUGH THE APCO STANDARDS. 
          FENCED OFF, SECURE PARKING. NO WAY FOR A BOX TRUCK TO COME AND EXPLODE. 
          NO WAY FOR ANY UNAUTHORIZED VISITOR. THAT IS ACCURATE. 
          WOULD YOU SAY THAT ONE OF THE STANDARDS IS A LOW CRIME RATE? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT. LOW CRIME RATE. 
          THE LOW CRIME RATE THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST PRACTICES IS TO LOCATE IT IN A LOW CRIME
AREA. 
          I DON'T I DON'T I DIDN'T READ THAT WITHIN THE THE EVALUATION. 
          HOWEVER, I'M SURE THAT THAT WOULD BE A CONSIDERATION. 
          THAT'S. THAT'S YOUR TIME FOR THIS ROUND. OKAY,
MISS CADENA, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO I ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH A REMODEL HERE AT AT CITY HALL. 
          IT WAS WHEN MCC WE REDID THE FIFTH FLOOR. AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING,
WE WERE ACTUALLY TEMPORARILY MOVED TO L1. 
          IT HAPPENED DURING, LIKE, CHRISTMAS BREAK. MY QUESTION IS,
WAS THERE ASBESTOS FOUND WHENEVER THEY DID THAT REMODEL? IT WAS A PRETTY INTENSIVE REMODEL. WELL, FIRST OF ALL,
LET ME START AS JOHN JOHNSON IS COMING OUT. OF COURSE, HE WAS NOT THE FACILITIES DIRECTOR BACK DURING THAT TIME. 
          I THINK WE'VE PROBABLY HAD TWO FACILITIES DIRECTORS SINCE THAT TIME. 
          SO IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT DETAILS, WE'LL DEFINITELY GET THAT FOR YOU. 
          COUNCILWOMAN. BUT I DO KNOW THAT THIS IS A NEW TEAM. 
          I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE THE THE REBUILD, BUT IT WAS PROBABLY JUST BASED ON WHAT WE KNEW OR
WHAT WE DID NOT KNOW. 
          BUT I'LL LET JOHN CHIME IN. THANK YOU, JOHN JOHNSON,
FACILITIES AND REAL ESTATE. 
          SO THIS PROJECT DOES PREDATE ME, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE CERTAINLY DID SAMPLING AND
TESTING OF THE AREA. SO WE WILL HAVE RECORD OF THAT AND WE CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH THAT INFORMATION. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. GREAT. YES. I WOULD LOVE THAT. 
          AND THEN I SEE THAT THE AV BROADCAST REPLACEMENT PRICE WAS INCLUDED IN THIS BIDDING. 
          BUT WASN'T IT UPGRADED DURING COVID LIKE, PERHAPS IN 2023? AND SO WOULD WE NEED TO COMPLETELY REPLACE THAT? THE SCOPE WAS DEVELOPED, THE PERFORMANCE SPECIFICATIONS WERE DEVELOPED,
AND DISCUSSIONS WITH ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS WHO OPERATE THOSE FACILITIES. 
          AND THIS IS A FORWARD LOOKING SCOPE TO ADHERE TO THE PERFORMANCE SPECS THAT THE TEAM HAS
EXPRESSED THAT THEY NEED. 
          SO I WASN'T I'M NOT PRIVY TO WHAT HAPPENED IN PREVIOUS REMODELS OR PREVIOUS UPGRADES OF OF
DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT, BUT THIS IS WHAT THE TEAM HAS REQUESTED THEY NEED TODAY. 
          OKAY, I THINK IF WE COULD GET SOME INFORMATION ON WHAT THE SCOPE OF WORK WAS DONE,
ABSOLUTELY. 
          [03:40:03]
WE CAN. THERE'S ONE THING, AND PETER AND THE GENTLEMAN THAT'S ONLINE,
IF HE CAN HELP OUT, BECAUSE I KNOW THEY THEY TEST OUR, ITS TEAM AND SOME OTHERS WITH A LOT OF QUESTIONS WHEN
THEY WERE DOING THEIR 400 HOUR ANALYSIS. 
          BUT TO MY UNDERSTANDING, ANY ENHANCEMENTS THAT WE HAD DONE WOULD HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE
ASSESSMENT. 
          SO IF IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE HAD HERE,
PART OF THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN EVALUATED AS SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN NEEDED FOR THE BUILDING. OKAY. AND THEN WHAT GREATER GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS TYPICALLY ARE AN OFFICE SPACE. 
          IS IT GRADE A? I MEAN, WHAT WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE STANDARD? I'M JUST GOING TO REPEAT THE QUESTION BACK TO YOU. MAKE SURE I HEARD CORRECTLY. YOU SAID,
WHAT IS THE STANDARD THAT MOST GOVERNMENT FACILITIES OPERATE UNDER IN TERMS OF LIKE OFFICE GRADE. SO I WORK EXCLUSIVELY IN THE GOVERNMENT SPACE AND REPRESENT DALLAS COUNTY AND A
NUMBER OF OTHER ENTITIES. 
          THE TREND IS BUY OR LEASE FACILITIES THAT ARE AN UPGRADE TO MODERN CLASS-A FACILITIES. 
          NO ONE IS BUILDING NEW FACILITIES TO A LOWER SPEC THAN CLASS A. 
          OKAY. AND THEN SO I ACTUALLY LIVED IN DC DURING NINE OVER 11. 
          SO THIS IS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION FOR ME. DO THE LOCATIONS ON PAGE 14 INCLUDE ANY HARDENING
OR SAFETY FEATURES FOR A GOVERNMENT BUILDING? DOES THE PRICE THAT'S QUOTED HERE INCLUDE THAT? SO THERE'S TWO WAYS TO ANSWER THAT. ONE, WE DID NOT SPECIFICALLY LOOK AT HARDENING COSTS
FOR EACH LOCATION. 
          BUT WE TRIED TO CAPTURE FOR THOSE SPECIAL REQUESTS,
IF YOU WILL, IN A LARGE CONTINGENCY BUDGET THAT IS APPLIED ACROSS ALL LOCATIONS. 
          SO I WOULD SAY WE HAVE A LARGE CONTINGENCY BUDGET ALLOCATED,
AND THOSE SPECIAL REQUESTS COULD CERTAINLY BE ACCOMMODATED WITHIN THAT. 
          OKAY, GREAT. AND THEN I SEE ON PAGE 14 THERE'S THIS,
YOU KNOW, THE SAVINGS WITHOUT A SALE AND ALL OF THIS. 
          SO WILL WE BE, I GUESS MY REQUEST, I GUESS THIS IS FOR STAFF TO KEEP. 
          MAYBE A RUNNING COST OF, LIKE, RELOCATING OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND THEN,
LIKE, IF THERE IS A POSSIBLE ELECTION FOR PARKLAND, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS AND OTHER EXPENDITURES THAT MAY BE COMING. 
          SO IF WE COULD MAYBE INCLUDE THAT AS WE, AS WE KEEP GOING ALONG. 
          I THINK THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW. THANK YOU. YES,
MA'AM. AND WE'LL DEFINITELY MAKE SURE, COUNCILWOMAN THAT WE RESPOND TO YOU ON THAT. 
          YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE ON TO ROUND TWOS. 
          MR. ROTH, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. 
          ON THE COST OF THE RENOVATIONS THE 329,329 329,000,000 MILLION THAT YOU PROJECT. 
          I WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT THAT DOES THAT DOES THAT INCLUDE RENOVATION OF THE BATHROOMS? IT INCLUDES A SMALL AMOUNT OF IT WHERE OBVIOUS DEFICIENCIES WERE ALREADY IDENTIFIED TO
CORRECT TO CORRECT SOME OF THE BATHROOMS. IT IS NOT A COMPREHENSIVE UPGRADE OR MODERNIZATION OF THE BATHROOMS WE TOOK. 
          WE TOOK THE INFORMATION WE RECEIVED FROM AECOM TO A CORRECTED STATE,
AND THEN WE APPLIED A INTERIORS ALLOWANCE FOR MODERNIZATION, AND THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE MODERNIZATION NUMBER. 
          SO THAT'S THE THAT'S THE SECOND LINE ITEM 107 OKAY. 
          AND IN THAT INTERIOR REMODELING MODERNIZATION,
YOU'VE IMPUTED A AN ALLOWANCE OF 30% FOR ASBESTOS, GIVE OR TAKE AS AN ESTIMATED AS BESTOS REMEDIATION. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT I THINK YOU ALL HAD MENTIONED. 
          I DON'T I DON'T THINK THAT'S ACCURATE. LET ME REPEAT THE QUESTION BACK AND TRY TO TRY TO
ADDRESS IT. 
          BUT WITHIN THE ALLOWANCE FOR MODERNIZATION, THOSE ARE BENCHMARKED TO VERY COMPARABLE
PROJECTS ACROSS GREATER DFW. 
          EXCELLENT COST MODELING FROM A VARIETY OF PROJECTS. 
          WITHIN THAT THERE IS PLENTY OF OF FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR BUILDING OUT THE SPACE TO A CLASS A
STANDARD. 
          YOU ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THAT INCLUDES A 30% ALLOCATION TOWARDS ENVIRONMENTAL
REMEDIATION. 
          WELL, IN PARTICULAR, YEAH. I'M SORRY, ASBESTOS IN PARTICULAR. 
          THERE'S NOT A COMPREHENSIVE BUDGET SPECIFIC FOR ASBESTOS WITHIN THE MODERNIZATION PIECE. 
          NO, SIR. OKAY. I THOUGHT YOU HAD MENTIONED THERE WAS AN ALLOWANCE OR YOU HAD IMPUTED
AMOUNT. 
          THERE'S AN ALLOWANCE FOR CONTINGENCY FOR OVERALL PROJECT CONTINGENCY OF 30%? NO, NOT OF 30%. THERE'S NO CONTINGENCY OF 30%. 
          WITHIN OUR NUMBERS. THE COMPREHENSIVE NUMBER THERE IS A THERE'S A ALLOCATION OF
CONTINGENCY WITHIN THE AECOM NUMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED. 
          AND THEN THERE'S A 5% LEVEL CONTINGENCY AT THE PROJECT LEVEL FOR OVERALL COST MODELING. 
          I'M SORRY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. SO IS IF WE HAD TO REMEDIATE ANY ASBESTOS,
IS IT IN ANY OF THESE NUMBERS? 
          [03:45:03]
THERE'S A THERE'S ONE NOT AS A SPECIFIC LINE ITEM. 
          NO, SIR. HAVE YOU BAKED INTO THESE NUMBERS AND ASBESTOS CONTINGENCY. 
          SO THERE'S A THERE'S A SMALL ALLOCATION OF, OF FUNDS WITHIN THE $329 MILLION TOWARDS
REMEDIATION OF KNOWN THINGS. 
          BUT BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A INVASIVE LEVEL TESTING,
WE CANNOT PROJECT ANY LEVEL OF COSTS RELATED TO ASBESTOS REMEDIATION BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION YET. OKAY. AND SO WHEN YOU'RE REMODELING SOMETHING AND YOU'RE
BRINGING IT UP TO A REMODEL STANDARD IN A TURNKEY SITUATION, I WOULD ASSUME THAT IF YOU'RE REBUILDING A BATHROOM IN THAT 50 TO $107 MILLION, THERE'S ENOUGH SPREAD IN THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WOULD BE FINISHED. 
          IT WOULD BE ADA COMPLIANT. IT WOULD BE. IT WOULD HAVE IF THERE WAS REMEDIATION ON THE
FLOOR TILE, IT WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF. YOU'D HAVE NEW LIGHTS,
YOU'D HAVE NEW YOU'D HAVE NEW FIXTURES, GIVE OR TAKE. YOU GOT A LOT OF SPREAD. YOU'RE PAINTING. 
          YOU'RE PAINTING IN BROAD STROKES. AND I UNDERSTAND THE DIRECTION OF THE QUESTION. 
          I WOULD CHARACTERIZE IT AS WE HAVE A 10% ALLOCATION OF COSTS TOWARDS ADA. 
          AND THEN WITHIN THE ALLOWANCE TOWARDS MODERNIZATION,
THERE'S CERTAINLY ROOM FOR COST IMPROVEMENT TO BRING THOSE NUMBERS DOWN. 
          BUT IN THE 906, WE DELIBERATELY PICKED LOW COSTS,
NOT THE HIGH SIDE OF THE COSTS. 
          WE DELIBERATELY PICKED THE LOW SIDE OF THE SPECTRUM TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S PROBABLY TOO
LOW FOR MODERNIZATION COSTS. 
          BUT WITHIN THE PROJECT, THERE IS A 5% CONTINGENCY LEVEL THAT COULD BE APPLIED TOWARDS
REMEDIATION AS IT'S DISCOVERED. 
          IS THE TECHNOLOGY THE $40 MILLION? SHE TALKED ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY. 
          IS THAT BAKED INTO THIS LINE ITEM TECHNOLOGY. 
          THE 15 TO 31 MILLION? YES, SIR. YOU'LL SEE THAT THE NTI ACTUAL NUMBER WAS 40. 
          WE ADJUSTED THAT DOWN BASED ON SOME OF OUR OWN COMPS AND INFORMATION. 
          BUT THEY HAVE HIGH CONVICTION ON THAT. WE HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT OPINION AND WE TRY TO
RECONCILE THOSE NUMBERS. 
          BUT AGAIN, IN THE 906 NUMBER FOR CITY HALL, WHEREVER POSSIBLE,
WE TRY TO PICK A LOWER COST NUMBER OR FIND WAYS WHERE IT COULD BE MODELED IN A LOWER EXPENSE LEVEL. THAT'S WHY WE ALSO PROVIDED WHAT WE REALLY PICKED AS OUR BASE CASE
SCENARIO, WHICH WAS CONSIDERABLY HIGHER. SO WE TRY TO MODEL IT A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          AND YOUR SCOPE OF WORK DID NOT INCLUDE GIVING A ANY KIND OF A OF A PRICING OR ESTIMATE FOR
STAYING IN PLACE FOR A TEMPORARY PERIOD OF TIME, FIVE YEARS OR SOME MID-TERM SITUATION. IT WAS EITHER REMODELED COMPLETELY,
NOT DO A PIECEMEAL REMODEL. 
          DID YOU? YOU DIDN'T HAVE A, A MEDIUM REMODELING SCOPE OF WORK THAT YOU WERE TASKED TO DO
WERE, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS NOT SCOPED. THAT'S NOT PART OF YOUR DEAL. 
          IT WAS ALSO, THOUGH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THERE WAS CONSIDERABLE DISCUSSION AROUND
METHODOLOGY BASED ON THE FINDINGS AS THEY CAME IN AND THE TEAM COLLECTIVELY HAD TO PIVOT AROUND THE NEW INFORMATION THAT WE'VE RECEIVED. 
          SO WHEN THE AECOM REPORT CAME TO US AND SAID THAT THAT THERE ARE MANY SYSTEMS PAST ITS
USEFUL LIFE, THAT KICKS US INTO AN ADA COMPLIANCE IF YOU START TO EXECUTE THAT PROGRAM. 
          SO THERE WAS ITERATION AND HEALTHY DEBATE ABOUT THOSE THINGS. 
          BUT GIVEN THE LEVEL OF FINDINGS IT WAS NOT DETERMINED ON OUR SIDE THAT WE HAD EITHER THE
SCOPE OR AN APPROPRIATE SET OF INPUTS TO MODEL A PHASED APPROACH. 
          GREAT. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS IS THE IN THE. 
          WE TO FIX THE ROOF, TO REPLACE THE ROOF, TO REPLACE THE AIR CONDITIONING. 
          ARE THERE SOME COMPONENT REPLACEMENTS THAT WOULDN'T REQUIRE A SENDING EVERYBODY OUT OF THE
BUILDING? IN OTHER WORDS, IS THERE STUFF YOU COULD DO HERE WHILE PEOPLE ARE STILL IN THE BUILDING
WITHOUT DISRUPTING? AND I'M TALKING ABOUT RELATIVELY MAJOR STUFF,
NOT FIXING THE CARPETS, BUT YOU COULD DO A ROOF WITHOUT THE PEOPLE LEAVING. 
          YOU COULD MAYBE PUT IN NEW AIR CONDITIONING UNITS WITHOUT PEOPLE LEAVING. 
          I'M ASKING, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. SO? SO THERE ARE SOME END EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENTS THAT
COULD BE DONE, BUT THAT IN LARGE PRACTICE HAS BEEN WHAT THE CITY HAS BEEN DOING TO GET TO THIS POINT. 
          AND SO THERE ARE CERTAIN SYSTEMS THAT HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED,
SUCH AS THE ELECTRICAL END, END EQUIPMENT. 
          AND SO SOME OF THOSE SYSTEMS COULD BE REPLACED. 
          BUT ULTIMATELY FROM A CONDITIONAL PERSPECTIVE,
SEVERAL OF THE SYSTEMS NEED FULL COMPREHENSIVE RENEWAL INCLUSIVE OF THE DISTRIBUTION LINES. MY LAST FOUR SECONDS. THERE'S ALSO MARKUPS FOR ALL OF THESE,
THESE COSTS. 
          I'D APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD EXPLAIN THOSE TO EVERYBODY. 
          SO SO WITHIN THE WITHIN THE 906 NUMBER THE ONLY THING I WOULD DESCRIBE AS A MARKUP IS A
CONTINGENCY FACTOR. 
          [03:50:02]
BUT WITHIN STANDARD BUDGETING PRACTICES FOR A FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT,
THERE ARE CERTAINLY MARKUPS FOR GENERAL REQUIREMENTS, GENERAL CONDITIONS, CONTRACTOR PROFIT, ALL OF THOSE THINGS TO ARRIVE AT A WHOLE NUMBER. 
          SO THOSE ARE NEGOTIATED OF COURSE, AND COULD COME DOWN. 
          BUT YES, THERE ARE CERTAINLY MARKUPS ASSOCIATED WITH THE ESTIMATES. 
          AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT, WE SENT OUT SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION LAST NIGHT THAT THAT CAN BE
FOUND ON PAGE FIVE WILL DEPICT AND GO THROUGH THE MARKUPS THAT WE ADDED. 
          ALL RIGHT, MR. RIDLEY. THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. 
          MAYOR. SO RETURNING TO THE ISSUE ON SLIDE SIX ABOUT THE EOC RELOCATION,
THE SOLE JUSTIFICATION THAT YOU PROVIDED IN THE PRESENTATION FOR THE NEED TO RELOCATE IT TO A SEPARATE FACILITY IS THE APCO NENA REGULATION OR GUIDELINES? ISN'T THAT CORRECT? I'M NOT SURE THAT I WAS PRESENTING. 
          I WAS PRESENTING THE STANDARD. AS FAR AS JUSTIFYING SLIDE SIX,
LOOK AT YOUR SLIDE SIX. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          COULD YOU REPHRASE THE QUESTION? I DON'T THINK I UNDERSTOOD IT. WELL,
WE WENT THROUGH IN MY FIRST FIVE MINUTES THE FACT THAT YOU HAD TO SEPARATE THE FACILITY LIKE MANY OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THE APCO NINA STANDARDS. 
          ISN'T THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. NOW,
THE APCO NINA STANDARDS DON'T CATEGORICALLY REQUIRE IT TO BE IN A SEPARATE FACILITY, DO THEY? CORRECT. THERE ARE STANDARDS THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE SEPARATION THROUGH FIREWALLS
AND EFFECTIVELY SEPARATE THROUGH PHYSICAL SECURITY AND PHYSICAL BARRIERS ON SOME OF THOSE IN
SOME OF THOSE AREAS. 
          AND THE ONE THAT YOU CITE SAYS THE COMMUNICATION CENTER SHALL BE LOCATED IN ITS OWN
BUILDING OR SEPARATED FROM OTHER PORTIONS OF JOINT USE BUILDINGS. 
          IT'S CURRENTLY IN A JOINT USE BUILDING. CORRECT? CORRECT. AND THE PREDOMINANT STRUCTURAL SYSTEM IN THIS BUILDING IS REINFORCED CONCRETE,
ISN'T IT? I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION. WELL, LOOK AROUND YOU. 
          COUNCIL COUNCIL MEMBER. RIDLEY. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IN MORE SPECIFICITY. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT SIX THINGS. AND THE REASON I'M GOING TO POINT OUT. 
          NO, I DON'T WANT A LIST OF SIX THINGS. I WANT A YES OR NO ANSWER. 
          IS THE PREDOMINANT STRUCTURAL SYSTEM IN THIS BUILDING REINFORCED CONCRETE. 
          THANK YOU. NOW THAT'S A NON-FLAMMABLE SUBSTANCE,
ISN'T IT? FIREPROOF SYSTEM. ALL RIGHT. NOW, HAVE YOU DONE A STUDY OF THE FIRE SEPARATION OF OUR EXISTING EOC HERE AT CITY HALL? AND SO, ASSUMING THERE IS NONE THAT STANDARD IN APCO,
NINA CAN BE SATISFIED COMPLETELY BY A FIRE RATED WALL CANDIDATE. 
          AND WHAT'S THAT? I DON'T KNOW. CAN YOU PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE? A FIRE RATED WALL AND OPENING. SO ANY OPENINGS BETWEEN THE SPACES. 
          ANY HVAC DUCTS THAT GO FROM THIS SPACE? THROUGH THAT SPACE,
THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE DAMPERS. 
          SO IT'S NOT JUST THE THE CONCRETE WALLS. ANY ANYTHING THAT PASSES THROUGH THOSE SPACES
MUST BE FIRE SEPARATED. 
          AND THAT'S NOT VERY EXPENSIVE TO ACCOMPLISH. THAT IS TO PUT IN A 1 OR 2 HOUR FIRE RATED
WALL AND DAMPERS IN THE DUCTS. 
          I CAN'T ESTIMATE COST ON THAT. WELL, LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY. 
          YOU HAVE ESTIMATED COST OF 200 TO $250 MILLION TO SEPARATE THIS INTO A NEW FACILITY WITH
DAMPERS, AND A TWO HOUR FIREWALL COST LESS THAN THAT. NOW COME ON,
THAT'S A SIMPLE QUESTION. 
          I REALLY CAN'T COMMENT ON THE ESTIMATIONS OF COSTS FOR THAT. 
          THAT'S BEYOND OUR SCOPE. WELL, THIS IS VERY DISAPPOINTING. 
          WE'VE BROUGHT THESE WORLD CLASS EXPERTS IN HERE,
AND THEY CAN'T EVEN TELL ME WHETHER A FIRE RATED WALL FOR OUR EOC WILL COST LESS THAN $200 MILLION. JUST RESPECTFULLY, I THINK IT'S IT'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED THAN A SINGLE FIRE
RATED WALL. 
          WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DUCKS GO FROM ONE SPACE TO A NEXT. 
          SO WE CERTAINLY YOU CERTAINLY COULD GET THAT INFORMATION FROM SOMEONE. 
          BUT AT THIS STAGE, THAT WASN'T THE LEVEL OF INFORMATION WE THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER. 
          I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU. IS IT NOT TRUE THAT YOU FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF WIDESPREAD
STRUCTURAL INSTABILITY THAT YOU OBSERVED AT THE TIME OF ASSESSMENT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. AND ALL OF THE YES,
THAT IS CORRECT. 
          [03:55:04]
AND ALL OF THE STRUCTURAL ISSUES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED WHERE THERE WAS SPALLED CONCRETE ARE
NOT IN THE BUILDING. 
          THEY'RE IN THE PARKING GARAGE. ISN'T THAT CORRECT? YES. THAT'S CORRECT. NOW, IN RESPONSE TO A QUESTION THAT COUNCIL MEMBER ASKED ABOUT THE HEATING SYSTEM HAVING BEEN REPLACED IN 2023. 
          YOUR PHILOSOPHY ABOUT YOUR ENTIRE COST ESTIMATE WAS WE HAVE TO REPLACE EVERY SYSTEM AND
EVERY PIPE AND WIRE IN THE BUILDING. 
          SO EVEN IF OUR HEATING SYSTEM IS ONLY TWO YEARS OLD,
YOU PRICED IN REPLACING THAT, ISN'T THAT CORRECT? YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT. THIS IS JOHN SCHMIDT. PLEASE USE YOUR MICROPHONE JUST A BIT CLOSER. 
          THIS IS JOHN SCHMIDT AND STACY, ENGINEERS. YES. 
          THE THE BOILERS WERE REPLACED IN 2023. THE BOILERS UP IN THE MAIN MECHANICAL ROOM,
THE DISTRIBUTION PIPING FOR THAT HOT WATER PIPING SOME OF THAT WAS REPLACED UP IN THE MAIN MECHANICAL ROOM AND ACROSS
THE ROOF. 
          THE REST OF THE DISTRIBUTION THROUGH THE BUILDING OF THE STEEL PIPE. 
          THAT'S THE LARGER SIZE THAT IS, THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. 
          WHAT IS YOUR BEST ESTIMATE OF THE MINIMUM INVESTMENT IN TODAY'S DOLLARS NEEDED IN THE NEXT
TEN YEARS TO KEEP CITY HALL SAFE AND OPERABLE, SEPARATE FROM UPGRADES AND ESTHETICS? THAT'S YOUR LAST QUESTION FOR THIS ROUND. 
          I THINK WE WANT YOU TO ANSWER THAT. I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING FOR YOU TO ANSWER THAT,
SIR. 
          WE COSTED BASED OFF OF THE ASTM SYSTEM. WE HAVE NOT DONE COSTING OFF OF A SOLUTIONS BASED
STRATEGY TO ADDRESS THESE PROBLEMS. THANK YOU. CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOING BACK TO SELECTION OF LOCATIONS,
HOW MANY OF THE LOCATIONS ON THIS LIST HAVE WINDOWS FOR THEIR FOLKS. 
          I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER. BUT ISN'T IT TRUE THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS,
YOU'RE ASKING THE PEOPLE, OH, IT'S SO DARK THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE NATURAL LIGHT. 
          BUT BEST PRACTICES NOT TO HAVE WINDOWS, CORRECT? NO, THAT'S NOT QUITE ACCURATE. SO THERE THERE IS A CURRENT STRATEGY THAT INCLUDES NATURAL
LIGHT. 
          I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY NATURAL LIGHT WINDOWS. SO WHAT SO WHAT I WILL ADVISE IS THAT IN THE
MULTIPLE FACILITIES THAT I'VE BEEN IN DO PROVIDE WINDOWS, AND THERE IS A STRATEGY THAT ALLOWS US TO PROVIDE WINDOWS SECURELY FOR,
FOR THE INDIVIDUALS. 
          AND WHAT IS THE 911 FACILITY THAT YOU WORKED ON? IT IS THE BARE METRO 901 REGIONAL FACILITY. OKAY. 
          THERE IS IN TEXAS. BARE. CORRECT. CORRECT. OKAY. 
          HOW MANY OF THESE LOCATIONS HAVE JOINT FACILITIES LIKE HOUSTON AND FAIRFAX? I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS. OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN MENDELSOHN JUST GUESSING. 
          I THINK ONE OF THE CITIES WE DO KNOW IS A PART OF A REGIONAL SYSTEM,
AND I THINK THAT ONE IS THE ONE THAT'S IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN. 
          BUT WE COULD GET YOU THE DETAILS ON ANY OF THE OTHER ONES THAT MIGHT HAVE A JOINT ONE. 
          I JUST KNOW ABOUT THE ONE IN AUSTIN. WELL, DALLAS COUNTY HAS AN EMERGENCY OPERATIONS
CENTER THEY JUST BUILT. 
          THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE US MOVING IN. 
          DPS HAS ISSUES. I MEAN, THE TOLLWAY AUTHORITY HAS AN AMAZING EMERGENCY OPERATION IN ONE
CENTER. 
          FRANKLY, IT'S MORE ADVANCED THAN ANYTHING WE HAVE,
INCLUDING TRANSPORTATION. 
          AND SO, LIKE, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMEBODY LOOKING AT THIS IN A MUCH MORE CREATIVE WAY. 
          HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SEEN WHERE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS AND ANYONE ARE SEPARATED BECAUSE I
THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY A BEST PRACTICE AS WELL. 
          SO THE TWO MAJOR CITIES THAT I WORKED AT PREVIOUSLY,
ALL THOSE WERE OPERATING IN THE SAME BUILDING. 
          OKAY, BUT WHAT CITY IS THAT? AUSTIN AND SAN ANTONIO. 
          SO KEVIN ODEN, I'M THE DIRECTOR OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND CRISIS RESPONSE HERE AT THE
CITY OF DALLAS. 
          WE'RE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE A MEMBER OF THE BIG CITY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT GROUP THAT
COMPRISES OF THE LARGEST CITIES IN THE COUNTRY WITH THE MOST SIGNIFICANT RISK. AND SO SEPARATE FROM THEIR LIST THAT THEY WERE WORKING ON. 
          WE ALSO LOOKED AT HOUSTON, HARRIS COUNTY, SAN ANTONIO,
AS YOU'VE HEARD OF FORT WORTH, CHICAGO, NEW YORK CITY, LOS ANGELES, PHILADELPHIA, SAN FRANCISCO,
AND WASHINGTON, D.C. 
          [04:00:02]
AND ALL OF THOSE FACILITIES ARE LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THEIR CITY HALLS,
AND MOST OF THEM ARE CO-LOCATED WITH EOC 911. SOME HAVE 311 AND THEN MOST HAVE THEIR TRANSPORTATION OPERATIONS CENTER. 
          THE CRITICAL FACTOR WITH ALL OF THEM THAT I,
I THINK IS THE MAIN CHALLENGE THAT WE FACE HERE IS, NUMBER ONE, THE THING THAT KEEPS ME UP IS THE REDUNDANCY. 
          AND NUMBER TWO IS THE ACCESS LIMITATION THAT WE HAVE WHEN THERE ARE CRITICAL INCIDENTS
DOWNTOWN. 
          AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT ALL OF OUR PEER CITIES HAVE SOLVED FOR. 
          AND WE AT THIS POINT HAVE NOT. WELL, SO I THINK YOU HIT THE SAFETY ISSUE THAT I WAS
TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, BUT I'M GLAD YOU'RE BRINGING UP REDUNDANCY. BUT YOU ALSO DIDN'T BRING UP FLOODING. 
          AND FLOODING IS A HUGE CONCERN FOR A CENTER LIKE THIS THAT'S SO DEPENDENT ON ELECTRICITY
AND TECHNOLOGY. 
          DO WE HAVE A FLOODING ISSUE DOWNTOWN? DOWNTOWN? I WOULD I WOULD PREFER NOT TO GET INTO SPECIFICS IN THIS SETTING,
BUT. 
          YES. OKAY, WELL, I'LL BE LOOKING FOR YOU TO PROVIDE FLOODING INFORMATION ABOUT ANY
LOCATION THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED. 
          TELL US ABOUT THE FIBER CONNECTIONS AND WHAT YOU WOULD NEED TO HAVE IN A NEW LOCATION
COMPARED TO WHAT YOU HAVE TODAY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION GOING FORWARD ON ANY LOCATIONS
THAT ARE CONSIDERED. 
          AND AS A BRIEF ASIDE TO ONE OF YOUR EARLIER COMMENTS I DO KNOW FACTUALLY,
BECAUSE I WORKED ON THE EOC DEAL FOR DALLAS COUNTY, THAT THAT SITE IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT YOU ALL ARE TRYING TO DO. 
          HOWEVER, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT ANY SORT OF JOINT OPERATION OR CREATIVITY
THERE. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT INPUT. I WILL JUST SAY THAT THEY'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT DOING THIS FOR
YEARS, APPARENTLY NEVER TALKING TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. 
          SO WHAT AN INCREDIBLE MISSED OPPORTUNITY IT WAS TO BE ABLE TO PARTNER WITH THE COUNTY ON
AN OPERATION LIKE THAT. 
          SHAME ON ALL OF US. OF COURSE WE DIDN'T KNOW. 
          TELL ME ABOUT OF THE ONES LISTED. HOW MANY ARE BELOW GRADE OR PARTIALLY UNDERGROUND? AND IF YOU FIND THAT TO BE A BEST PRACTICE. SO ONCE AGAIN,
I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. 
          I'D HAVE TO DO MORE RESEARCH FOR THAT. WELL,
IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WAS A BIG RUSH TO BE ABLE TO PUT THIS LIST TOGETHER SO THAT YOU COULD SAY, WOW, LOOK, SEE, SEPARATE FACILITY. 
          BUT ACTUALLY THE THINGS WE HAVE HERE ARE PRETTY FANTASTIC WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT,
BECAUSE THIS IS THE SAFEST PLACE DOWNTOWN. 
          SO TELL ME ABOUT ELECTRICAL FIELDS, BECAUSE I'M JUST GOING TO SAY WE'VE HAD LOTS OF
BRIEFINGS ABOUT INTERNET AVAILABILITY IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY, AS WELL AS ELECTRICAL UTILITIES. SO TELL ME ABOUT WHAT YOU'D BE LOOKING FOR IN THIS KIND
OF FACILITY VERSUS WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. 
          HOW MANY BACKUP SYSTEMS DO WE HAVE? SO ARE WE. 
          DID YOU ARE YOU MENTIONING. I'M SORRY, DID YOU MEAN THE ELECTRICAL POWER GRID? SO AT MINIMUM, WE WOULD NEED TO BE ON ON TWO SEPARATE GRIDS TO THE MINIMUM. 
          RIGHT TO A MINIMUM. CORRECT. AND BUT AGAIN, THESE STANDARDS ARE ALL ALSO OUTLINED IN THAT
FULL DOCUMENT. 
          HOW MANY DO WE HAVE HERE? I BELIEVE IT'S THREE. 
          I THINK IT'S FOUR. THREE OF THEM ARE WORKING THREE AT THIS POINT. 
          DO WE HAVE OTHER BACKUP POWER HERE? SO WE DO HAVE GENERATORS,
CORRECT? WOW. SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE IN A GOOD SITUATION. I SEE IT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT, MISS BLACKMON. YOUR. OH,
SORRY. 
          GO AHEAD. I JUST WANTED TO. BEFORE WE MOVE OFF OF THE 911 CONVERSATION,
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT IF COUNCIL WANTS TO GIVE US GUIDANCE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO GO AND PURSUE ANY TYPE OF JOINT ARRANGEMENTS WITH
ANY OTHER JURISDICTION, WE HAVE NO PROBLEMS DOING THAT AND MAKING THAT BE A PART OF THE ANALYSIS THAT WE WILL
DEFINITELY BRING BACK TO THE COUNCIL. 
          SO WE CAN I WOULD LIKE A LOT OF STUDY AND NOT QUICK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          THANK YOU. YOU SNUCK THAT IN ON ME. OKAY. OKAY. 
          NO, SHE WASN'T. SHE WAS. SHE WAS OFFERING TO DO SOMETHING. 
          MISS BLACKMON, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU. OKAY, SO I WAS EATING DINNER IN THE BACK. 
          WAS IT SAID THAT WE NEED TO DO THIS ASAP, OR COULD WE BE A THOUGHTFUL OPERATION AND
TRANSFERRING OUR 911 OEM AND 311 OUT? I DIDN'T SAY THAT IT WAS NEEDED TO BE DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          [04:05:01]
I WAS ASKED TO PROVIDE AN ASSESSMENT OF BEST PRACTICES FOR THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED,
SO I'D HAVE TO DEFER THAT QUESTION. 
          MISS BLACKMON, WE WERE RESPONDING TO THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE RESOLUTION THAT CAME FROM
THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. 
          BUT WHO WROTE THAT RESOLUTION? ACTUALLY, COMMITTEE STAFF DID. 
          WELL, I BELIEVE CHAIR WEST CLARIFIED EARLIER WHAT THE INTENTION WAS RELATIVE TO EVALUATING
OR PURSUING OPTIONS. 
          SO YOU WERE YOU'RE BECAUSE IT SAYS SO WE CAN REMOVE THAT AT FULL COUNCIL IF WE WANT TO. 
          WELL, THAT'S THAT'S Y'ALL'S LANGUAGE. HE CLARIFIED IT EARLIER. 
          IS IT OUR LANGUAGE OR IS IT YOUR LANGUAGE THAT YOU GAVE TO TO COUNCIL? THANK YOU. I DIDN'T WRITE ANY. MR.. CITY ATTORNEYS READ. 
          I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT WHO DID THE LANGUAGE. MR.. 
          GIBSON, LET ME JUMP IN FOR JUST A MINUTE. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.
COUNCILWOMAN BLACKMON. 
          WE REMAIN COMMITTED TO FOLLOWING THE GUIDANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          IF THE CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO CHANGE THE GUIDANCE THAT CAME FROM THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. 
          WE WELCOME WHATEVER THIS COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DO. 
          WE'RE ASKING FOR DIRECTION AND IN WHATEVER DECISION YOU ALL MAKE. 
          IT IS MY JOB TO DELIVER WHAT'S REQUIRED TO HONOR THAT DECISION. 
          AND SO THE 911311 WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME TO US AS AN IMMEDIATE REQUEST TO BEGIN TO
EXPLORE THOSE OPTIONS. 
          IF COUNCIL DOES NOT WANT TO DO THAT, THAT IS YOUR PREROGATIVE TO TELL US NOT TO. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. WHO WROTE THE ORIGINAL FINANCE? MOTION? I BELIEVE IT WAS THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER,
ROBIN BENTLEY, WHO WROTE THE THE MOTION. 
          OKAY. BECAUSE I JUST DID THAT AT THE MEETING AT UPON A QUESTION FROM A COUNCIL MEMBER,
WE DID HELP CLARIFY SOME OF THE LANGUAGE. 
          SO IT STAYED WITHIN THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT. OKAY. 
          SO IT WAS COMING ACTUALLY FROM STAFF BECAUSE I'M WITH MISS MENDELSOHN. 
          I DON'T REMEMBER A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT GOING OUTSIDE OF CITY HALL. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO RECONCILE IN MY LITTLE HEAD. 
          OKAY. AND THEN WHERE WOULD THE FUNDING COME FROM? I MEAN, IF WE'RE LOOKING TO MOVE, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GET THE MONEY? BECAUSE I JUST
CLOSED THE LIBRARY. 
          NO, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION. AND JACK AND I ADDRESSED THAT WHILE YOU WERE OUT. 
          WE MENTIONED THAT AT THIS TIME. AND UNTIL WE GET FURTHER DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL,
THERE'S NO FINANCING PLAN FOR A STAY OR GO MODEL. 
          SO WE'RE MAKING PLANS TO MOVE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE,
BUT THERE'S NO FINANCING MECHANISM. 
          IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? THERE'S NOT A STRUCTURED PLAN THAT WE PROVIDED. 
          COUNCIL. BUT LISTEN TO THAT STATEMENT. YOU'RE MAKING A PLAN TO MOVE AS QUICK,
AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING IN PLACE. SO LISTEN TO IT. 
          AND I JUST CLOSED THE LIBRARY. OKAY, JUST FOR CONTEXT,
I DID NOT MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU. 
          COUNCILWOMAN. BLACKMON. I'M SORRY FOR. WELL,
CLOSE THE LIBRARY, AND THEN YOU'LL FEEL HOW I FEEL. 
          EXACTLY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE COMMENT THAT I MADE
EARLIER. 
          THE COUNCIL FINANCE COMMITTEE ASKED FOR THAT TO BE INCLUDED. 
          IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE FOR US TO PURSUE THOSE OPTIONS AND BRING THOSE BACK. 
          OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO BRING THOSE BACK ALSO WITH THE WAY THAT WE WOULD DELIVER THAT,
WHETHER IT'S A FINANCING PLAN THAT GETS PART OF A LARGER PUBLIC SAFETY CONVERSATION. 
          THAT'S HOW WE WOULD APPROACH IT. SO WE HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED LOCATIONS. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A FINANCING PLAN FOR ANYTHING THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE TABLE,
WHETHER IT'S THE RENOVATION OF CITY HALL OR WHETHER IT'S TO GO TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION BASED ON THE THE THE GUIDANCE THAT COUNCIL PROVIDES. 
          AND WHAT YOU ASKED US TO BRING BACK IS WHAT WE WOULD BEGIN TO WORK ON AND DELIVER. 
          OUR FIRST LAP WAS TO BRING THE ASSESSMENT AND TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAD THAT INFORMATION
AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. 
          IF COUNCIL DECIDES TO TELL US WHAT YOU WANT US TO GO AND DO NEXT. 
          AND SO I DO APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A FINANCING PLAN. 
          WE RECOGNIZE THAT. BUT IF COUNCIL DIRECTS US TO GO AND EXPLORE THOSE OPTIONS AND BRING
THAT FINANCING PLAN BACK, WE WOULD HAVE THAT AVAILABLE FOR YOU. SO BACK TO THE QUESTION IS,
CAN ANY CAN YOUR OFFICE TELL ME WHERE IT IS IN THE FINANCE COMMITTEE? I LOOKED AT THE I'VE LOOKED AT THE ONE THAT WE'VE. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT BECAUSE. AND WHY WOULD IT GO THROUGH FINANCE WHEN IT'S
PUBLIC SAFETY? I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO THE CHAIR. COUNCILWOMAN BLACKMON ON THAT. 
          SO IF YOU CAN'T ANSWER IT, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR GIVING US A REPORT AT 530 LAST NIGHT. 
          YEAH, I'M READING IT. OKAY, SO IT SAYS RIGHT HERE TO SUPPORT THE COMPREHENSIVE ASSESSMENT
OF DALLAS CITY HALL. 
          AND WE REMAIN FULLY COMMITTED TO TRANSPARENCY,
INTEGRITY, INDEPENDENCE AND PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS THAT GOVERN OUR WORK. 
          WOULD YOU LET US SEE YOUR WORKING DOCUMENTS THEN LEADING UP TO YOUR FINAL REPORT? YES, WE ARE HAPPY TO PROVIDE AND GO THROUGH AND ANSWER QUESTIONS WITH YOU ALL KNOW EITHER
YOUR WORKING DOCUMENTS LITERALLY SEE THE DOCUMENT. 
          [04:10:07]
SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO PROVIDE OUR WORKING DOCUMENTS AS WE HAVE BEEN VERY TRANSPARENT. 
          OKAY. THAT'S IT. INFORMATION. SO WAIT, YOU'RE NOT REALLY YOU'RE NOT REALLY COMMITTED TO
FULL TRANSPARENCY. 
          NO. WE PROVIDED A DOCUMENT LAST NIGHT TO YOUR POINT,
AT 530. 
          THAT GOES WELL BEYOND WHAT IS ESTABLISHED IN ASTM TO TO WALK THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT WE
USE TO COME TO THE ESTIMATE. 
          SO NO WORKING DOCUMENTS FOR ANYBODY UP THERE. 
          ALL OF THE RELEVANT INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE THE DECISION THAT'S AHEAD OF YOU IS
INCLUDED IN THE DELIVERABLES THAT WE PROVIDED TO DATE. 
          OKAY. IN YOUR REPORT, YOU SAID YOU USED A STEM. 
          SOME LONG WORD IS THE APPROACH VERSUS PRIORITIZING. 
          WHY? VERSUS WHY DID YOU DO THAT VERSUS NOT PRIORITIZING. 
          SO JUST JUST TO CLARIFY. SO UNDERNEATH THE ASTM INTERNATIONAL,
WHICH IS THE AMERICAN SOCIETY FOR TESTING MATERIALS DOCUMENT 2018 DASH 24. THAT IS A PRESCRIPTIVE PROCESS FOR PERFORMING A PROPERTY CONDITION ASSESSMENT. 
          THAT IS THE LENS WITH WHICH WE LOOKED AT THE BUILDING,
THE SYSTEMS. WE LOOKED AT, THE PROCESS THAT WE USED. SO SEPARATELY FROM THAT,
THAT EFFORT IN AND OF ITSELF, AS PRESCRIBED BY ASTM 2018, DOES NOT INCLUDE A PROVISION TO REQUIRE PRIORITIZATION. 
          THERE ARE A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS THAT COME INTO PLAY FROM A PRIORITIZATION PERSPECTIVE.
THIS WAS LITERALLY A SNAPSHOT IN TIME OF OUR EXPERTISE IN SEMI JUDGMENT OF THE CONDITION OF THE FACILITY, AND THE INVESTMENTS WE FORECAST NEED TO BE MADE TO EXTEND THE
LIFESPAN OF THIS THIS FACILITY FOR MULTIPLE DECADES. 
          SO YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING THAT IT'S UP TO US TO DECIDE THE PRIORITIZATION. 
          SO PRIORITIZATION TAKES INTO A WHOLE NUMBER OF THINGS LIKE FUNDING ALL THESE OTHER THINGS. 
          AND YES. SO YOU'RE. SO THIS I THINK LAST WEEK WE SAID IT NEEDED TO BE ALL DONE AT ONCE. 
          GO GET A BOND. ARE WE SAYING THAT MAY NOT BE THE CASE NOW? THAT IS NOT WHAT WAS ARTICULATED. WE HAD TO MAKE AN ASSUMPTION TO PREPARE OUR ESTIMATES. 
          SO TO PREPARE OUR ESTIMATE, WE MADE AN ASSUMPTION THAT THE WORK COULD BE COMPLETED
CONCURRENTLY. 
          AND SO THAT IS HOW WE CAME UP WITH THE $329 MILLION. 
          OKAY. SO NOW WE ARE WE ARE NOW DOING IT ALL TOGETHER,
BUT WE CAN DECIDE AS A BODY TO SEQUENCE IT OUT AND TO PRIORITIZE AND DO IT IN DIFFERENT TRANCHES. YEAH. SO SO THE INTENT OF THE STUDY TO CLARIFY IS JUST TO TELL YOU HOW
MUCH INVESTMENT NEED IS REQUIRED BASED ON CURRENT CONDITIONS. SO TO YOUR POINT,
AN ADDITIVE STEP CAN THEN BE BASED ON THE INFORMATION PROVIDED. 
          CAN YOU ACCOMMODATE DOING IT ALL AT ONCE, OR IS OR DO YOU NEED TO DO SOME KIND OF PHASING
THAT IS AT THE PREROGATIVE OR DISCRETION OF THE COUNCIL BASED ON A SUBSEQUENT STUDY? OKAY. SO BACK TO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE TOMORROW. 
          AS FAR AS WHAT WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE FOR TOMORROW. 
          YEAH. BECAUSE I ASKED THAT LAST TIME IS WHAT HOW WOULD YOU PRIORITIZE THE PROJECT LIST? AND IT WAS. NO, WE'RE RECOMMENDING ALL OF IT ALL AT ONCE OR THAT'S WHAT I THAT'S MY
PARAPHRASE. 
          YEAH. NO. TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. SO THE ESTIMATE JUST HAD TO ASSUME CONCURRENT EXECUTION FROM
A PRIORITY PERSPECTIVE. 
          WE HAVE A GENERAL PHILOSOPHY THAT IS WARM AND DRY. 
          AND SO WE WOULD FOCUS ON WATER INTRUSION. WE CONDUCTED THE STUDY FOR THIS BUILDING IN
2016. 
          WE HAD RECOMMENDED IN 2016 THAT THE ROOF BE REPLACED. 
          REPLACED. AT THAT POINT, WE ARE STILL RECOMMENDING THAT THAT IS AN ITEM THAT WE WOULD
CONSIDER TO BE HIGH PRIORITY. 
          THERE WERE ALSO TARGETED WATER INTRUSION, TEMPORARY FIXES THAT WERE ARTICULATED THAT WE
WOULD ALSO SUGGEST BE DONE IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE. 
          OKAY, SO I GUESS THAT'S IT FOR NOW. THANK YOU. 
          MISS BLAIR, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. 
          I HAVE A COUPLE OF A FEW QUESTIONS. DOES THIS DOES CITY HALL USE A PBX SYSTEM? TELEPHONE SYSTEM? NOW, DOES DOES CITY HALL STILL USE PBX SYSTEM? NOW TELEPHONE SYSTEM ON OUR 911 SYSTEM, WE'RE NOT UTILIZING A PBX. 
          WE'RE ON A NET. NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT ALL OF CITY HALL. 
          CITY HALL. I'LL HAVE TO DEFER THAT OVER TO IT. 
          HOWEVER, I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE A PBX. WOW. WE STOPPED SELLING THEM IN THE EARLY 1900S. 
          YOU GUYS, WE SPOKE ABOUT COUNTY UTILIZING COUNTY SERVICES VERSUS OUR OWN STAND ALONE OR
WHETHER STAY HERE, 
          [04:15:06]
IS IT NOT? AND I GUESS THIS WOULD BE I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE FOR CITY MANAGER,
WOULD IT NOT BE THEN UP TO THE COUNTY TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT US TO BE CO-LOCATED OR, OR EOC AND IN OUR 911 SERVICES,
IF WE WERE CHOOSING TO GO THAT ROUTE, WOULDN'T IT NOT BE SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY WOULD DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS
APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO ACCEPT US? THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCILMAN BLAIR. 
          AND DEFINITELY, WE ALWAYS LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE CAN PARTNER. 
          THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE IF THERE WOULD BE A DESIRE FOR THE COUNTY OR
ANY OTHER JURISDICTION, I CAME FROM THE NORTH TEXAS TOLLWAY AUTHORITY WITH A VERY THRIVING ACTIVE COMMAND CENTER
THAT'S ACTUALLY OUTSIDE OF THEIR MAIN HEADQUARTERS, BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD EXPLORE AND THEN BRING THAT BACK TO THE COUNCIL. 
          BUT IT WOULD REALLY BE OF COURSE, WE CAN'T MAKE ANYBODY DO ANYTHING. 
          IT COULD BE JUST US TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM AND SEE WHAT THEIR,
WHAT THEIR RESPONSE WOULD BE, BUT WE COULD DEFINITELY TRY THAT IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL. NO, I'M SAYING THAT WE HAVE SAID WE SPOKE A LOT ABOUT,
WOW, THE NORTH TEXAS TOLLWAY AND THE COUNTY HAVE THESE FACILITIES THAT ARE MARVELOUS, BUT NO ONE HAS EVER SAID OR HAVE SPOKEN TO ANY OF THESE,
THESE AGENCIES AND SAID, DO YOU WANT US? THAT IS CORRECT. WE'VE NOT HAD ANY DIRECT CONVERSATIONS WITH ANY OF THEM,
FROM MY KNOWLEDGE, MAYBE IN THE PAST, I'M NOT REALLY SURE. BUT IF THAT IS SOMETHING COUNCIL WANTS US TO
ENGAGE NOW, WE WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE TO TO DO THE DUE DILIGENCE WITH THOSE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS TO
SEE IF IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO ENTERTAIN, BUT IT WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT THEY DESIRED TO DO. 
          THEN I'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT SAID WHETHER THIS IS BEING SENT THROUGH FROM THE FINANCE
COMMITTEE OR THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE OR THE EDC COMMITTEE. EACH ONE OF THOSE COMMITTEES HAD A TASK AT HAND OR NO TASK AT HAND. 
          IS THAT NOT CORRECT? AND WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING OR NOT DOING WITH
CITY HALL 9113118. 
          COM. ABC AND XYZ. THE COUNCIL ALWAYS MAINTAINS THE PREROGATIVE TO DETERMINE WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE CERTAIN CONVERSATIONS TO HAPPEN. 
          THE CONVERSATION AT THE FINANCE COMMITTEE WAS TO BEGIN TO LOOK AT THOSE. 
          OPTIONS. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS ANY ATTEMPT THAT WE WOULD NOT BRING BACK. 
          THE DATA AND ENSURE THAT THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE,
IF THAT'S THE QUESTION, WOULD NEVER HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE. 
          IT WAS REALLY ABOUT SEEING WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE AND BRINGING THOSE BACK. 
          SO WITH THE CHARGE WAS TO JUST GO OUT AND SEE WHAT OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE,
BRING THEM BACK. 
          AND IF THERE WAS AN IN, THEN THE CHARGE WAS ALSO TO GO AND LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES TO AT A
DIFFERENT LOCATIONS FOR 911 EOC. AND ARE WE NOT DOING THAT? ISN'T THAT WHAT WE'RE HERE ABOUT TODAY? TO LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES, LOOK AT THINGS THAT COULD AND COULD NOT SAYING THIS COMMITTEE
DIDN'T TAKE CHARGE OR LEAD. 
          THAT COMMITTEE DID TAKE CHARGE AND LEAD. SO ARE WE DOING WHAT WE YOU WERE CHARGED TO DO,
AND WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO DETERMINE AN OUTCOME TODAY. YES, MA'AM. THERE'S NO OUTCOMES TODAY. 
          WE HAVE NOT DONE THE WORK TO BE ABLE TO BRING YOU BACK THOSE OPTIONS AT THIS TIME. 
          THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THE PROCESS THAT WE WOULD UNDERTAKE BASED ON THE COUNCIL'S
GUIDANCE. 
          AND IT WOULD BE ROBUST. I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT I KNOW. COUNCILWOMAN
MENDELSOHN WOULD ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED, AND THAT WOULD BE A PART OF OUR OVERALL WORK AND THE DELIVERABLES TO BRING BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          I HAVE SAID AND STOOD AND I KNOW COUNCILMAN JOHNSON HAS SAID WE WE DON'T DO ANYTHING
WITHOUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 
          WE WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION RIGHT NOW. I'M NOT IN A POSITION TO TO ENGAGE MY COMMUNITY
BECAUSE THERE'S MORE QUESTIONS THAN I HAVE ANSWERS. 
          SO UNTIL I AM, I CAN'T THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN WEST RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU. MAYOR. JUST A COUPLE OF HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS FOR ME. THERE'S BEEN SOME GOOD
DISCUSSION ABOUT 311911 EMERGENCY OPS. 
          AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT, YES, STAFF DID DRAFT THE LANGUAGE FROM WHAT I
UNDERSTAND. 
          BUT THE INTENT FROM FINANCE CORRECT ME IF I'M CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. 
          COMMITTEE MEMBERS WAS VERY CLEAR THAT WE WANTED TO SEE SOME ACTION WITH THOSE DEPARTMENTS
TO GET THEM OUT OF THE BASEMENT, GET THEM INTO PROPER WORKING ENVIRONMENT. I THOUGHT THE LANGUAGE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE
WAS A LITTLE EXTREME, 
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AND I'M GOING TO STRIKE THAT FOR THE RESOLUTION. 
          BUT I, I THINK LOOKING AT LOCATIONS WAS THE INTENT OF THE COMMITTEE. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S ON US, NOT ON STAFF. SECONDLY,
AND REALLY MORE IMPORTANTLY, THERE'S BEEN AN ONGOING NARRATIVE HERE. 
          NOT AS BAD TODAY AS THEY WERE AT THE COMMITTEES,
BUT STILL PRESENT THAT OUR THIRD PARTY CONTRACTORS, CBRE, AECOM, EVEN LINDA HAVE SOME KIND OF FINANCIAL INTEREST OR,
YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING INVOLVED WITH THEIR INTEGRITY IN THIS PROCESS. 
          AND I THINK THAT QUESTIONING THE RESULTS OF THEIR WORK AND THE FACTS ARE VERY IMPORTANT. 
          IT'S VERY NECESSARY. BUT WE CAN DO THAT WITHOUT QUESTIONING THEIR ETHICS AND CALLING THEIR
INTEGRITY INTO QUESTION. 
          MISS TOLBERT WAS RESPONDING TO ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES QUESTIONS EARLIER ABOUT CBRE. 
          I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THEY ARE A THEY WERE SELECTED THROUGH AN RFP PROCESS,
AND THEY'RE PROVIDING THE CITY WITH REAL ESTATE SERVICES ACROSS ALL OUR REAL ESTATE. THEY OPERATE UNDER A STANDARD OF ETHICS AND THEIR FEES FOR
THEIR SERVICE. 
          HOW THEY GET PAID HAS ALREADY BEEN NEGOTIATED. 
          AND THIS WAS ALL DONE BEFORE THIS ASSIGNMENT TODAY. 
          IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT CBRE RELOCATED THEIR GLOBAL HEADQUARTERS HERE. 
          IN POINT OF ORDER, MAYOR THAT YOUR POINT OF ORDER? I BELIEVE THIS IS GERMANE TO THE UPDATE OF CITY HALL. 
          IT'S OVERRULED. OF COURSE. THANK YOU. AND THEY ARE ONE OF THE TOP TAXPAYERS IN THE CITY OF
DALLAS. 
          AECOM HAS ALSO BEEN ACCUSED OF SOMEHOW BENEFITING FROM SKEWING THE RESULTS TOWARDS MOVING
OUT OF CITY HALL. 
          THEIR CEO IS AWARE OF THIS AND ACTUALLY TOOK THE TIME TO DRAFT A LETTER AND SENT A LETTER
TO US TODAY DEFENDING THEIR COMPANY. 
          AECOM IS ANOTHER FORTUNE 500 COMPANY WHO HAS RECENTLY MOVED THEIR HEADQUARTERS TO DALLAS. 
          AND OF COURSE, MOST OF US HERE HAVE WORKED WITH LINDA MCMAHON FOR YEARS AND YEARS,
AND WE CELEBRATED HER SELECTION AS CEO OF THE EDC. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTIONS ON THE FACTS AND CONCLUSIONS ARE FANTASTIC. 
          LET'S KEEP DOING IT. BUT I FIND IT REALLY APPALLING THAT WE'RE BRINGING INTO QUESTION
THEIR INTEGRITY. 
          AND I THINK IT SENDS A TERRIBLE MESSAGE TO OTHER CORPORATIONS THAT ARE LOOKING TO COME TO
DALLAS TO BRING THEIR HEADQUARTERS HERE. 
          WE WANT TO BE A BUSINESS FRIENDLY CITY, AND WE WANT TO RESPECT THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
BROUGHT THEIR HEADQUARTERS HERE AND ACT WITH INTEGRITY AT CITY HALL. 
          THANK YOU. SECOND. MR. ROTH, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR. 
          NOPE. SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN. GRACEY RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. 
          OH. OH, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T SEE YOU AT ALL. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I HEARD EARLIER TODAY ABOUT,
I THINK THE RECORDS BUILDING BEING. 
          I THINK A CERTAIN PRICE, $20 MILLION. IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY. 
          WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT BUILDING AND THIS BUILDING? YEAH. 
          THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP. SO WE WORKED WITH THE COUNTY FOR A LONG TIME. 
          AND THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT I THOUGHT WERE NOTABLE IN THE COMMENTARY ABOUT THAT
PROJECT. 
          FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT SIZE DIFFERENCE. 
          SO SOMEHOW EQUATING THE $200 MILLION COST WITH THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH A 300 ZERO ZERO ZERO
SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. 
          IT'S VERY DIFFERENT WHEN WE HAVE ONE POINT 5,000,000FT². 
          ONE POINT 6,000,000FT² HERE OF TOTAL TOTAL ADDRESSABLE AREA. 
          SO IF YOU PRICE SOMETHING $200 MILLION IN ROUGHLY 2018,
2019, INFLATE IT TO TODAY, THEN MULTIPLY IT BY 3 TO 5 X BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING WE'RE DEALING WITH. I THINK THAT'S VERY NOTABLE. 
          AND ALSO THEY MOVED OUT FOR SEVEN YEARS. THEY MOVED EVERYBODY OUT. 
          WE DID THE LEASE. THEY HAD TO GO TO ANOTHER LOCATION FOR THAT TIME TO AFFECT THE
RENOVATION. 
          SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A COMPARISON THAT ACTUALLY SUGGESTS YOU SHOULD STAY OR DO A PHASED
RENOVATION. 
          I THINK IT ACTUALLY POINTS OUT THAT WHEN YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING OF THAT LARGER SCALE,
YOU NEED TO MOVE OUT AND YOU'RE GOING TO STAY LONGER THAN YOU THINK. 
          SEVEN YEARS IS NOT FASTER THAN THE FIVE YEARS WE PROJECTED FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. 
          IF YOU WERE TO STAY THANK YOU FOR THAT. HELPING ME UNDERSTAND THAT I'M LOOKING AT THE
ASBESTOS ABATEMENT PROCESS, AND I HEARD SOMEONE SAY IT'S ABOUT SAID SOMEONE STILL OCCUPYING THE
SPACE IF WE DO THE RENOVATIONS AND ASBESTOS. WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? AND EXPLAIN. 
          WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK? I KNOW WE HAVE TO DO A SWING OUT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS AS A
TRUSTEE AND DALLAS ISD WITH SOUTH OAK CLIFF AND SOME OF MY OTHER SCHOOLS. 
          SO EXPLAIN WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THIS KIND OF FACILITY AS WE'RE REMOVING ASBESTOS. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO DELVE A LITTLE BIT INTO SPECULATION BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC
PROJECT PLAN YET. 
          BUT IT IS VERY FAIR TO SAY THAT CONTAINING AND ISOLATING ASBESTOS IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE IN
A RENOVATION. 
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THE QUESTION IS WHETHER IT'S ADVISABLE. AND DO WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO,
TO SAY DEFINITIVELY WHAT ARE ALL THE NUANCES? AND WE DON'T YET BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE INVASIVE WORK. 
          AND BECAUSE WHEN YOU START A PROJECT OF THIS MAGNITUDE,
YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO ENCOUNTER UNTIL YOU START RIPPING THINGS OUT AND RIPPING THINGS UP. SO, IT IS FAIR TO SAY, I THINK THAT YOU HAVE MULTIPLE AREAS THAT COULD
BE ISOLATED. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS RELATED TO THAT. 
          SO IF YOU WERE TO BE OCCUPYING AND THEN PHASING IN,
PHASING OUT I MEAN, JUST OFFER UP ANECDOTALLY IT'S VERY DISRUPTIVE. 
          THE CONSTRUCTION IS VERY DISRUPTIVE TO DAILY OPERATIONS. 
          AND YOU WILL ABSOLUTELY HAVE HIGHER RISK, HIGHER COSTS AND HIGHER CONTINGENCY FOR A LONG
TIME UNTIL YOU HAVE VERY DEFINITIVE PROJECT PLANS. 
          AND WHAT HAPPENS THERE? THERE'S A POSSIBILITY. 
          YOU SAY IT'S A HIGH RISK. SO THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THAT THAT ASBESTOS CAN GET
AIRBORNE. 
          CORRECT. ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, YOU AVOID IT. THERE'S PRESCRIBED CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THAT. 
          AND THERE ARE CERTAINLY COMPETENT CONTRACTORS THAT CAN EXECUTE ON THAT. 
          THAT'S UNEQUIVOCAL. BUT YOU RUN A DIFFERENT RISK FACTOR. 
          THE REASON WHY I ASK, BECAUSE WHEN WE HAD THE SITUATION OVER AT SOUTH OAK CLIFF HIGH
SCHOOL. 
          WE ACTUALLY MOVED OUR KIDS AND EDUCATORS OUT OF THE BUILDING FOR THAT VERY REASON,
BECAUSE EPA, WE IDENTIFIED THE EPA, SAID THAT ONCE THE ASBESTOS GET AIRBORNE,
THE FIBERS AND THAT CAN MESS UP YOUR ENTIRE HEALTH, EVEN CAUSE CANCER, AND HAVE LONG TERM HEALTH FACTORS. 
          SO THAT IS A THAT IS A HIGH CONCERN FOR ME, ESPECIALLY BEING THROUGH THIS PROCESS MULTIPLE
TIMES IN THE DISTRICT THAT I SERVED IN. 
          I WENT DOWN TO A TO L3. I THOUGHT L3 WAS A JOKE,
BUT I FOUND OUT IT IS REAL. 
          I DID A VIDEO. IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE VIDEO,
GO ON MY FACEBOOK PAGE BECAUSE I POSTED IT ABOUT L3. 
          SO I WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION, IS L3 A PART OF THIS BUILDING? L3 IS A PART OF THIS BUILDING. OKAY. WHO CONDUCTED THE ASSESSMENT ON L3? WAS THERE WAS THERE ANY ASSESSMENT DONE ON L3? RELATIVE ASSISTANT MANAGER GIBSON CAN YOU ANSWER THAT? THEY'RE LOOKING AROUND. WAS THERE WHO CONDUCTED THE ASSESSMENT ON L3. 
          WAS THERE A FULL INSPECTION ON L3? SO I IN MY OWN REVIEW OF THE REPORTS THAT YOU WERE
PROVIDED AS WELL. 
          I BELIEVE COLIN MURPHY MADE REFERENCE TO SOME WATER INFILTRATION ISSUES RELATED TO L3,
AND IN MY READING HE DID SOME EVALUATION OF L3. WHAT EVALUATION WAS DONE ON L3? LET ME GO. 
          LET ME GO TO THE REPORT. JUST BEAR WITH ME. 
          ON PAGE 44, IT SAYS WATER ENTRY AT THE L3 LEVEL HAS BEEN CONFIRMED. 
          HOWEVER, FEW DRAWINGS ARE AVAILABLE TO SUPPORT A RECOMMENDED REPAIR. 
          WATER IS ENTERING THROUGH A VERY THICK CONCRETE VERTICAL WALLS. 
          HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS INDICATE WALL CRACKING DURING CONCRETE PLACEMENT,
PRIMARILY BELOW GRADE. 
          AND IT SAYS, BASED ON THE PHOTOGRAPHS AND HIS OBSERVATIONS. 
          WATER IS LIKELY RISING ALSO THROUGH THE SLAB AS WELL. 
          WALL CRACKS CAN BE INJECTED WITH EITHER POLYURETHANE OR EPOXY TO POTENTIALLY STOP THE
WATER FLOW, AND IN HIS SUMMARY, HE MENTIONED THAT L3 REQUIRES FURTHER EVALUATION. 
          HOWEVER, THE REPAIRING THE CRACKS IN THE EXTERIOR WALLS AND OPEN THE PERIMETER WILL REDUCE
THE WATER FLOW. 
          NEGATIVE SIDE WATERPROOFING, SUCH AS A SEALANT,
WILL ALSO HELP INHIBIT SOME OF THE WATER ENTRY INTO L3, SAYS POTENTIALLY INSTALLING AN INTERNAL DRAIN UNDER THE SLAB TO CAPTURE RISING WATER MAY
ALSO BE OF ASSISTANCE. 
          SO THOSE ARE QUOTES DIRECTLY FROM HIS REPORT. 
          SO WE DID THE EVALUATION. DID HE GO DOWN L3 LIKE I DID AND LIKE WALK THE LITTLE CAGE THAT
WE WALKED IN BECAUSE I HAD TO FIND I HAD TO SIGN A WAIVER TO GET DOWN THERE. ANYTIME YOU GOT TO SIGN A WAIVER TO GET SOMEWHERE,
THAT MEANS IT'S REAL SERIOUS. 
          SO DID HE DID HE DO ALL OF THAT TO GET THAT INFORMATION? I DON'T HAVE CONFIRMATION ON WHETHER OR NOT MR. MURPHY WENT TO L3 OR NOT. IT'S THE I DON'T KNOW IF JOHN JOHNSON IS HERE. 
          HE MIGHT HAVE HAD SOME RECOLLECTION OF WHETHER HE DID OR NOT. 
          JOHN JOHNSON IS TELLING ME NO, THAT MR. MURPHY DID NOT ACTUALLY ENTER. 
          CAN YOU BRING MR. JOHNSON? MR. JOHNSON? YEAH. YEAH, I HAD SIGNED A WAIVER. SO, MR. JOHNSON,
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WAIVER THAT I HAD TO SIGN. 
          I DIDN'T HAVE TO SIGN A WAIVER TO GO TO THE FIFTH FLOOR,
BUT I HAD TO SIGN A WAIVER TO GO TO L3. YES, SIR. DID HE GO 
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DOWN, AS THEY SAY, DEEP DOWN IN THERE? DID HE GO DEEP DOWN IN THERE TO SEE WHAT I SAW THAT
I SHARED WITH THE ENTIRE CITY? YES, SIR. SO IT IS MY STAFF WHO CONDUCTED THE TOUR WITH HIM,
AND I WAS INFORMED THAT DUE TO THE TIME, HE DID NOT MAKE IT INTO L3. SO IF HE DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO L3,
WHAT KIND OF ASSESSMENT DID HE GIVE? HE JUST LOOKED DOWN THERE. I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT,
BUT I KNOW HE WAS PROVIDED WITH PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WE HAVE AND THEN INSIGHT FROM OUR STAFF WHO HAVE BEEN DOWN IN THERE. AND HE SAID HE DIDN'T HAVE THE TIME. 
          I'M NOT FOR SURE IF HE HAD TIME BECAUSE HE WAS IN HE FLEW IN TO DO THE ASSESSMENT HERE. 
          AND I THINK THERE WAS A TWO DAY PERIOD THAT WAS SCHEDULED FOR HIM TO BE ON SITE. 
          MY APOLOGIES IS NOT AVAILABLE. HE WAS ONLINE UNTIL ABOUT 3:00 TODAY AND THEN COULD NOT
STAY ON ANY FURTHER. 
          SO HE IF WE NEED TO BRING HIM OR MAKE HIM AVAILABLE FOR YOUR QUESTIONS,
I CAN CERTAINLY ARRANGE THAT, SIR. SO THE PRICE THAT WE'RE THAT WE'RE HEARING AT 329 FOR THE BUILDING,
DOES THAT ALSO INCLUDE L3? SO I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. SO THIS GOES BACK TO THE DIFFERENTIATION I WAS MAKING BETWEEN
SHORT TERM TARGETED PATCHES TO CORRECT WATER INTRUSION. AS AS DONZELL NOTED THERE IS STILL UNKNOWN SOURCES OF WATER. 
          AND SO OUR, OUR ASSESSMENT, WHICH WAS THE 64.64 MILLION IN CHANGE TO DO THE HOLISTIC
REPAIRS TO THE TO THE GARAGE AND THE STRUCTURE INCLUDED AN ALLOWANCE THAT WOULD HELP TO IDENTIFY THAT WATER SOURCE,
REROUTE THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM, AND TO DO SOME CORRECTIVE REPAIRS ON LEVEL THREE AS WELL. 
          SO YOU GUYS, IT DOES INCLUDE FIXING UP TOTALLY L THREE. 
          YES, SIR. WE WE WE'VE INCLUDED THAT IN OUR ALLOWANCE. 
          NEXT QUESTION IS ARE WE ADA COMPLIANT. SO A RECENT STUDY THAT WAS COMPLETED BY ACCESS BY
DESIGN PROVIDED 900 PAGES OF DEFICIENCIES THAT ARE NOTED IN THIS FACILITY. WHO RECOMMENDED THE GENTLEMAN THAT WENT DOWN,
I GUESS LOOKED DOWN IN L3 BUT DIDN'T REALLY GO ALL THE WAY THERE. WHO WHO RECOMMENDED HIM? COUNCILMAN COUNCILMAN. 
          RIDLEY HAD RECOMMENDED HIM FOR THE WORK. OKAY,
SO COUNCILMAN RIDLEY RECOMMENDED HIM. 
          I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHY HE DIDN'T GO DOWN THERE LIKE I DID,
TO GET A REAL GOOD UNDERSTANDING. 
          DID HE HAVE TO SIGN A WAIVER TO. I'M NOT. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PROCESS WAS. 
          OH, IF HE WOULD HAVE WENT DOWN THERE, HE WOULD HAVE. HE WOULD HAVE ASKED TO SIGN A WAIVER.
YES, SIR. I'M STRUGGLING TO CLARIFY. 
          ONE MORE THING IS, I'M REALLY STRUGGLING. NO. 
          JUST DON'T. ON L3, THE CORRECTIVE REPAIRS HE'S TALKING ABOUT WAS NOT TO MAKE IT USABLE
SPACE. 
          IT'S A IT'S AN UNDEVELOPED. WELL, YOU'VE SEEN IT. 
          IT'S AN UNDEVELOPED PART OF THE BUILDING, BUT IT'S STILL A PART OF THE BUILDING. SO WE'RE
GOING TO FIX UP CITY HALL. 
          WE GOT TO FIX UP L3. CORRECT? YES, SIR. I'M JUST SAYING THE COST DOES NOT INCLUDE MAKING
IT A USABLE PART OF THE BUILDING. 
          THAT'S ALL. WELL, I'M NOT TRYING TO HALF DO ANYTHING. 
          WHEN I WENT DOWN THERE, IT WAS BEYOND DEPLORABLE. 
          IT WAS HORRIBLE. LIKE, IT WAS ABSOLUTELY LIKE SOMETHING FROM A HORROR MOVIE. 
          I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE. AND SO IF WE'RE GOING TO REALLY FIX UP CITY HALL BECAUSE WE'RE
TRYING TO EXPLORE OUR OPTIONS HERE, THEN THAT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED. I'VE BEEN AROUND AND I'VE SEEN THE WORK THAT WE'VE THE
WORK THAT IS DONE WHEN YOU'RE MOVING ESPECIALLY, AND ETCETERA. AND THE UNFORESEEN COST IS WHAT I'M CONCERNED
ABOUT. 
          IT'S NOT WHAT I'M SEEING. WHAT I'M HEARING FROM FROM THE FROM WHAT YOU CAN SEE WITH YOUR
EYES IS THE UNFORESEEN COST THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. 
          SO HAVE WE HAVE WE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THE UNFORESEEN COST TO THE EXTENT WE HAVE A
CONTINGENCY ALLOWANCE? YES. BUT THERE ARE A HOST OF UNKNOWNS THAT, THAT WE'VE NOT BUDGETED FOR AT THIS POINT. 
          AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT TO YOUR POINT THAT IS WHY THAT NUMBER THAT'S BEEN MUCH SPECULATED
FOR THE $60 MILLION AND CHANGE IS WHAT IT IS BECAUSE THERE ARE UNKNOWN CONDITIONS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE ACCOMMODATED THAT IN THE ALLOWANCE FOR THE,
FOR THE L3 AND THE WHOLE STRUCTURE STUDY AND AND RENOVATION. SO THIS IS CAUSED WAY MORE THAN WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE REALLY TELLING US,
BECAUSE IN CERTAIN AREAS ON L3 JUST WE'RE GOING TO STOP RIGHT THERE FOR ME BECAUSE I'M RUNNING OUT OF TIME AND I'LL COME
BACK LATER. 
          BUT THERE'S A SPECULATION GOING ON. AND SO IN ORDER,
WE DON'T HAVE REALLY TRUE NUMBERS. 
          YOU GUYS ARE DOING THE BEST THAT YOU CAN DO BASED OFF THE SCOPE THAT YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN IT, AM I CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT SIR. WELL, THAT'S STILL CONCERNING,
BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST WITH OUR CONSTITUENTS 
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IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO FIX CITY HALL AS A
WHOLE. 
          AND I'M RUNNING OUT OF TIME. SO I COME BACK IN THE NEXT IN MY NEXT TERM. 
          THANK YOU, MR. BAZALDUA. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU. MAYOR. I FIRST WANT TO JUST ADDRESS ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES HAS HAS MENTIONED THAT
THE LINE OF QUESTIONING THEY FELT WAS INAPPROPRIATE. 
          I WOULD SAY THAT IT'D BE INAPPROPRIATE THAT OTHERS ARE NOT ASKING SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS, QUITE FRANKLY, AND IT'S NOT TO QUESTION ANYONE'S INTEGRITY. 
          HOWEVER, I DO BELIEVE THE BEST WAY THAT YOU COULD STAND BEHIND THE REPORT THAT YOU'RE
GIVING US IS, IN FACT, TO ALLOW FOR US TO HAVE A THIRD PARTY OPINION,
WHICH WAS WHAT WE'VE ASKED. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS AGREED UPON. 
          AND I ALSO DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THERE WAS THE ANSWER WHEN ASKED IF YOU ALL HAD PUT YOUR
STAMPS ON YOUR WORK AND THAT YOU ALL WEREN'T WILLING TO DO THAT. SO I THINK I THINK THERE WAS ONE THE STRUCTURAL GENTLEMAN. 
          AND I FEEL THAT THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM
ANYONE THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM. 
          SO IF YOU COULD JUST SPEAK TO WHY YOU'VE CHOSEN NOT TO PUT YOUR STAMPS ON YOUR WORK AND
EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THIS, WITH THIS SCALE OF A JOB, WOULD NOT INCLUDE HAVING A THIRD PARTY REVIEW. 
          I'LL JUST SPEAK FROM THE CBRE SIDE. WE'RE NOT ARCHITECT OR ENGINEER. 
          AND SO WHERE THERE'S LICENSURE REQUIRED, WE 100% STAND BY THE WORK. 
          WE'RE ALL LICENSED PROFESSIONALS, AND WE 100% STAND BY THE WORK. 
          THERE'S NO STAMP. I CAN PUT IT ON THE IF YOU'RE REFERRING TO,
LIKE, A ARCHITECTURE ENGINEERING STAMP, BUT THE SPIRIT OF IT IS DO WE STAND BEHIND THE WORK AND 100% WE DO. AND LET ME ADD IN THIS LETTER THAT THE CEO OF AECOM SENT TO YOU ALL
TODAY. 
          HE SAID WE STAND BEHIND THE ASSESSMENTS WE PROVIDED BASED ON THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE
DURING THE COURSE OF THIS ENGAGEMENT. 
          SO A AECOM IS STANDING BEHIND THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE. 
          IF YOU DESIRE ANOTHER THIRD PARTY, THAT IS TOTALLY UP TO YOU AND AND THAT IS A DIRECTION
THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE. 
          WOULDN'T THAT BE CONSIDERED INDUSTRY NORM? I FEEL LIKE WE'VE PROVIDED YOU WITH INDUSTRY
NORM, LIKE WE'VE ENGAGED, NOT WHAT I ASKED. I SAID IT A THIRD PARTY SPECIFIC TO THE QUESTION
THAT YOU JUST ASKED, ISN'T THAT WOULDN'T THAT BE AN INDUSTRY NORM FOR $1 BILLION SCALED PROJECT,
THAT YOU WOULD AT LEAST HAVE A THIRD PARTY ASSESSMENT FROM WHO YOU'VE ORIGINALLY COMMISSIONED TO GIVE YOU A REPORT ON? I THINK THE NORMS MIGHT BE DIFFERENT FOR EACH SCOPE
OF WORK, SO I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK TO CORGAN'S FOR OUR SCOPE OF WORK. 
          THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE'VE PROVIDED IS A SPACE ASSESSMENT. 
          IN NO REALM WOULD THAT BE A STAMPED DRAWING. OBVIOUSLY WE STAND BEHIND IT,
WE PUT OUR NAME ON THE REPORT AND WE SHOWED UP HERE EVERY TIME TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. SO WE STAND BEHIND IT. 
          US SAYING THAT WE WOULDN'T PUT A STAMP ON. IT IS JUST US FOLLOWING OUR LICENSURE
GUIDELINES THAT THAT'S NOT A DRAWING THAT YOU WOULD STAMP. 
          AND THEN YOUR NEXT QUESTION IS WOULD IT BE INDUSTRY NORM TO GET A THIRD PARTY ASSESSMENT
FROM FOR OUR OFFICE OCCUPANCY EVALUATION. NO, THAT'S NOT INDUSTRY NORM AT THIS STAGE IN THE GAME OR REALLY ANY STAGE IN
THE GAME. 
          USUALLY YOU HIRE SOMEONE AND GO WITH THEIR EXPERTISE. 
          I CAN ANSWER THAT. ALSO, IT'S NOT STANDARD PRACTICE TO CONCURRENTLY HIRE MULTIPLE FIRMS TO
WORK ON THE SAME PROJECT. 
          THERE ARE A RANGE OF FIGURES IN THE OVERALL ECONOMIC ANALYSIS THAT WE'D BE HAPPY TO
PROVIDE TO THIRD PARTIES AND HAVE THEM REVIEW THAT WORK. 
          IT'S VERY, VERY WELL BENCHMARKED, BUT HAVING A THIRD PARTY REVIEW,
A MARKET ENGAGEMENT WOULD LIKELY COMPROMISE YOUR NEGOTIATION POSITION AND SO WOULD PROBABLY BE THE OPPOSITE IMPACT. AND JOHN. 
          SCOTT SCHMIDT AND STACEY, THE MEP ENGINEER. I'M HAPPY TO SIGN AND SEAL OUR REPORT. 
          IT'S NO PROBLEM. FOR FACILITY. GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. 
          OH, I WAS GOING TO ALSO ANSWER FACILITY. FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT WORK SIMILAR TO THE
CORRIGAN SITUATION. 
          THOSE ARE NOT DRAWINGS THAT WE STAMP. IN THIS IN THIS ASSESSMENT,
WE BROUGHT IN EXPERTS IN SPECIFIC INDUSTRY, YOU KNOW, MEP, STRUCTURAL, ETC. I UNDERSTAND,
BUT IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, THE SCOPE OF, OF WORK THAT IS NEEDED, THAT WAS GIVEN TO US IN THIS REPORT IS DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT. 
          AND SO I'M, I'M JUST ASKING FOR US TO HAVE A THIRD PARTY REVIEWED. 
          YOU EVEN MENTIONED ABOUT PEER REVIEWS. YOUR PEER REVIEW DIDN'T EXTEND OUTSIDE OF THE PEERS
THAT ARE SITTING AT THIS TABLE. 
          IT DID NOT. SO THAT TO ME IS A PROBLEM. AND I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH ASKING YOU GUYS
THESE QUESTIONS. 
          I THINK WE'VE HEARD IT FROM MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS AND TAXPAYERS WHO WE ARE REPRESENTING. 
          I THINK WE'VE HEARD IT FROM MANY MEDIA SOURCES WHO ARE ASKING THE SAME QUESTIONS,
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S OUTRAGEOUS TO ASK. AND I THINK IT'S KIND OF OUTRAGEOUS TO BE CALLED 
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OR FRAMED IN THAT WAY. THE REPORT STATES PHASED REPAIRS ARE IMPRACTICAL. 
          WHAT QUANTITATIVE ANALYSIS SUPPORTS THAT CONCLUSION? CURT, COULD YOU PLEASE ANSWER THAT QUESTION? YEAH,
SURE. 
          SO SO AS I ALLUDED TO EARLIER, WE HAD TO MAKE AN ASSUMPTION BASED ON THE ESTIMATE. 
          SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT THE REASONS FOR JUSTIFYING OR TALKING TO THAT ARE THERE'S
AN INTERCONNECTION. 
          I CAN'T I IT'S KIND OF HARD TO HEAR YOU. SORRY. 
          I'LL SPEAK UP. SO WHY WE WOULDN'T TYPICALLY RECOMMEND PHASED RENOVATION IN THIS
CIRCUMSTANCE IS DUE TO THE INVASIVE NATURE OF THE SYSTEMS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED. THERE ARE A WHOLE HOST OF INTERCONNECTED SYSTEMS. YOU HAVE WOULD HAVE EXTENDED DISRUPTIONS. YOU WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE TEMPORARY SERVICE FOR
ELECTRICAL, HVAC, ETC. FOR SOME OF THE PHASING. THERE'S ALSO,
AS WE ALLUDED TO, THE POINT OF ORDER, WE'VE LOST HIS IMAGE. 
          OH, SORRY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THERE. SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          AND THEN ALSO, AS WE'VE ALLUDED TO, THE ENVIRONMENTAL REMEDIATION SITUATION AS WELL. 
          SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT THAT IT CAN'T BE DONE. IT'S JUST THERE'S ADDITIVE RISKS. 
          BASED ON THOSE COMMENTS THAT I JUST MADE. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S RISK. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT ALLUDED IN YOUR REPORT USING THE TERM IMPRACTICAL. 
          WHAT CONSTITUTE IT CONSTITUTES IT TO BE IMPRACTICAL. 
          THERE'S SIGNIFICANT ADDITIVE RISK BY DOING PHASED RENOVATION. 
          AND THERE'S ALSO ADDITIVE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. 
          HOW MANY COMPARABLE MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF ARE OF SIMILAR AGE AND
COMPLEXITY, HAVE BEEN RENOVATED WHILE OCCUPIED. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU. 
          WHAT WOULD A SEVEN YEAR OR TEN YEAR STAGGERED REHABILITATION PLAN COST COMPARED TO A FIVE
YEAR FULL RELOCATION? WE DID NOT DO THAT ASSESSMENT. CITY MANAGER'S STAFF. 
          YOU'LL EXPLAIN WHY THAT WOULDN'T BE A PART OF THE SCOPE FOR US TO BE GIVEN MULTIPLE
OPTIONS TO MAKE THIS DECISION ON. 
          I THINK WE ASKED THE EXPERTS THROUGH THE EDC TO PROVIDE THEIR BEST INPUT IN DECISION
MAKING AND HOW TO BEST ACCOMPLISH THIS. 
          WE HAD VARIOUS CONVERSATIONS WITHIN THE GROUP AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT SEEMED PRACTICAL,
AND THAT WAS THE DECISION WAS THAT WE WOULD PRESENT THIS ONE. 
          SO YOU'D HAVE DEFINITIVE ANSWERS IF WE DECIDED IF YOU DIRECTED US TO DO A PHASED APPROACH, THAT WOULD TAKE A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF ASSESSMENT AND ALSO A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF RISK
ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, BECAUSE THE MINUTE YOU START DOING INVASIVE TESTING,
IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT WHAT'S BEHIND THE WALLS, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR CHANCES OF FINDING MORE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. 
          SO WHEN YOU START DOING FIXING ONE SYSTEM AT A TIME,
YOU ARE POTENTIALLY CAUSING, YOU KNOW, NOT CAUSING, BUT YOUR INCREASED COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. 
          I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT THERE WAS CONVERSATION ABOUT IT AND IT WAS DECIDED THAT WE WOULD
JUST GO WITH THIS APPROACH, THAT IT WAS AT LEAST PROVIDING YOU WITH A CERTAINTY OF WHAT IT WOULD COST OVER A PERIOD OF
TIME WITH THE FIVE YEAR DEPARTURE, SO THAT EVERYTHING COULD BE DONE AT ONE TIME. I WOULD LIKE TO ACTUALLY ALSO LIKE TO POINT
YOU. 
          I REALIZE THAT YOU ALL RECEIVED MMO AFTER OUR DISCUSSIONS IN ONE ON ONES THAT ATTEMPTED TO
CLARIFY SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS. 
          ON PAGE TWO OF THE MEMO, THERE IS A SECTION THAT SPECIFICALLY I'M AWARE OF THE MATERIALS
WE'VE GOTTEN, BUT I'M GETTING THINGS ON RECORD RIGHT NOW. THAT'S THAT'S FINE SIR. 
          SO ON PAGE TWO WE HAVE A DISCUSSION AROUND PHASE IMPLEMENTATION. 
          WHY DID WE NOT DEVELOP IT? THERE ARE MANY CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER TO
MAKE A VIABLE STRATEGY SOLUTION SET, AS I SAID EARLIER, AROUND PHASE STRATEGY THAT WOULD HAVE TO INFORM BE INFORMED BY THINGS
LIKE FUNDING AVAILABILITY, THE PROCUREMENT STRATEGY, THE CONSTRUCTION AND SEQUENCING CONSTRAINTS OF A PHASING
STRATEGY. 
          AS WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION NOW, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN DEVELOP. 
          I THINK THE NARROW, TAILORED SCOPE IS SOMETHING THAT HAS REALLY BOTHERED ME AS WELL. 
          IT HAS NOT GIVEN US COMPARATIVE DATA FOR US TO REALLY DIG DOWN AND ANALYZE. 
          IT'S BASICALLY GIVING US DATA TO SUPPORT ONE POSSIBLE SOLUTION. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YOUR TIME IS UP. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO ON PAGE TWO, IT SAYS THE CURRENT STATE VERSUS ESTIMATED
IMPROVEMENTS. 
          AND THEN THERE'S A LIST IS I'M SORRY, I CAN'T HEAR. 
          WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO MOVE THAT CLOSER? YES. 
          SORRY. AND ON PAGE NINE, IT SAYS THE CURRENT STATE OF DALLAS CITY HALL AND THEN HAS A
LIST. 
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DO WE HAVE THE BREAKOUT OF COST FOR THAT? COLUMN ON PAGE NINE. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE PAGE NINE ON THAT CURRENT STATE THERE'S COST ASSOCIATED WITH. 
          THAT'S JUST SAYING TODAY THE SYSTEMS AS AS THEY ARE DEFINING THEM. 
          AND THEN ON THE SECOND HALF TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE NEEDED IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE. 
          IS THERE A WAY TO GET THE BREAKOUT JUST BECAUSE I KNOW,
LIKE WITH THE AV SYSTEM, I THINK IT WAS REPLACED LIKE TWO YEARS AGO. 
          AND I WENT TO THE ROOF YESTERDAY AND THERE WAS LIKE AN IT BOX THAT HAD BEEN ADDED,
I THINK, LAST YEAR. SO I THINK THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME UPGRADES RECENTLY. 
          I'M JUST KIND OF TRYING TO GAUGE LIKE WHAT WE'VE DONE RECENTLY VERSUS FOR ALL NEW I CAN WE
CAN WORK WITH THE PROVIDING INFORMATION RELATIVE TO IT RELATED FIBER OPTIC,
ALL THOSE TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE BUILDING OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS FOR YOU. OKAY, GREAT. AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS HOW MUCH IS BUDGETED FOR MAINTENANCE
FOR ALL CITY BUILDINGS IN THE CURRENT YEARLY BUDGET? POINT OF ORDER. ALL BUILDINGS IS NOT GERMANE TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN CITY HALL. 
          JUST THE BUILDING. JUST THE BUILDING IN 911. YOU KNOW,
IT'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT, BUT I GET YOUR POINT. I GUESS I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT,
LIKE, COMPARED TO HOW MANY BUILDINGS WE HAVE, WHICH IS MY OTHER QUESTION. HOW MUCH LIKE CITY HALL,
YOU KNOW, WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO SHARE WITH ALL OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS. 
          SURE. JOHN JOHNSON FACILITIES AND REAL ESTATE. 
          SO IN FISCAL YEAR 25, FOR THE ENTIRE FACILITIES AND REAL ESTATE PORTFOLIO FOR MAINTENANCE, WE HAD $4.7 MILLION. AND OF THAT REPAIRS AT CITY HALL,
WE INVESTED 2.4 MILLION IN EMERGENCY AND SHORT TERM REPAIRS. 
          OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY TO BUDGET FOR,
FOR ALL THE BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE. 
          MY OTHER QUESTION IS, SO LET'S SEE. SO I ACTUALLY DID GO TO L3 YESTERDAY,
AND I HAD TO SIGN A WAIVER. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT REALLY MEANT FOR PUBLIC ACCESS. 
          IT'S BEHIND LOCK AND KEY. I ACTUALLY RAN INTO SEVERAL EMPLOYEES AFTERWARDS BECAUSE I WAS
EXCITED THAT I WENT DOWN THERE AFTER BEING HERE FOR EIGHT YEARS, AND I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THERE WAS AN L3. SO I WAS ASKING THEM,
HEY, DID Y'ALL GO DOWN THERE? I THINK ONE OF THEM ACTUALLY DID A, LIKE A DOCUMENTARY ON L3,
SO I'M EXCITED TO GO AND LOOK AT THAT. 
          YEAH. CHRIS. AND SO THE PERSON I WENT DOWN THERE SAID,
YOU KNOW, THERE USED TO BE WATER DOWN THERE, AND THEN THEY ADDED A PUMP. SO I'M JUST WONDERING,
LIKE, WHAT ARE THE REPAIRS THAT MAYBE NEED TO BE DOWN THERE? DO WE HAVE A BREAKOUT OF THAT SPECIFIC L3 AREA IS THAT THEY SAID NO. 
          CURT, ARE YOU ON? I GUESS WHAT THEY'RE WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DO. 
          YEAH. SO SO JUST JUST CURT ANGLER AECOM TO SPEAK TO THAT REALLY QUICKLY. 
          SO SO BASICALLY THERE WAS EVIDENCE OF WATER THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE BELHAVEN REPORT OUR
ALLOWANCE BECAUSE THAT IS ALL THE INFORMATION WE HAVE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THE EXACT SOURCE OF THE WATER. 
          WE HAVE AN ALLOWANCE IN THERE TO DO CORRECTIVE ACTION. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT'S A HOLISTIC CORRECTIVE ACTION NUMBER. 
          BECAUSE I ALLUDED, AS I ALLUDED TO, WE DON'T KNOW THE SOURCE OF THE WATER. 
          AND SO THAT'S ALL. THE ENTIRETY OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          OKAY. YEAH. WELL, I MEAN, THEY THEY DO HAVE A PUMP DOWN THERE. 
          I THINK HE SAID IT WASN'T ORIGINAL TO WHENEVER AND THEY ADDED THE PUMP. 
          AND THEY ALSO HAVE AN AREA WHERE YOU CAN WALK. MY OTHER QUESTION IS,
SO YOU SAID THAT THE MARKET'S GREAT FOR FOR SELLING. 
          RIGHT. BUT WHAT ABOUT PURCHASING PROPERTY OF EQUAL VALUE WITHIN THE CBD? I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY, WE THINK THE MARKET IS GREAT FOR BUYING THE MARKET FOR SELLING IS
VERY MUCH DEPENDENT ON THE USE. 
          BUT THE MARKET IS GREAT IN PARTICULAR FOR BUYING OR LEASING BUILDINGS IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS. 
          THE VACANCY RATES ARE WELL DISCUSSED AND WELL PUBLICIZED. 
          SO THAT'S A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION IN DALLAS CBD,
YOU CROSS OVER TO UPTOWN. 
          VERY, VERY, VERY DIFFERENT SITUATION WHERE IT'S A TOUGH TIME TO BE A TENANT,
A BUYER BECAUSE OF THE LEVEL OF COMPETITION THERE. 
          SO THESE ARE ALL DIVIDED INTO SUBMARKETS, AND SOME POCKETS HAVE EXCELLENT AVAILABILITY AND
ARE VERY ATTRACTIVE AS A BUYER AND OBVIOUSLY NOT SO GREAT IF YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE LANDLORDS OR OWNERS OR A SELLER OF A PROPERTY LIKE THAT. 
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AND THAT'S WHY WE TRY TO MAKE BROAD MARKETS TO CAPTURE MAXIMUM COMPETITION AND
PARTICIPATION IN ORDER TO DRIVE THE BEST VALUE FOR THE CLIENT, IN THIS CASE,
YOU ALL, AS A BUYER OR A LESSEE, A JOINT VENTURE PARTNER OR A LEASE TO PURCHASE TYPE OF PARTNER. OKAY. AND THEN WHAT ABOUT FOR VACANT LAND WITHIN THE CBD? IS THERE ANY OR IS IT MOSTLY CURRENT? I MEAN LAND WITH CURRENT BUILDINGS FOR LAND FOR
LEASE OR PURCHASE? CORRECT ME IF I'M NOT ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION,
BUT I'LL ATTEMPT TO ANSWER IT AND YOU LET ME KNOW IF I NEED TO OPINE ON SOMETHING ELSE. 
          THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT INDIVIDUAL PARCELS OF LAND. 
          THERE ARE IN CBD AND SURROUNDING DOWNTOWN DALLAS. 
          THERE ARE VERY FEW CONTIGUOUS LARGE TRACTS. THERE ARE CERTAINLY SOME ASSEMBLAGES THAT HAVE
OCCURRED IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR ASSEMBLING DIFFERENT PIECES OF, OF DIRT AND DEVELOPMENT PARCELS. BUT ON THE WHOLE,
I WOULD DESCRIBE LET'S JUST SPEAK TO CITY HALL. 
          THIS IS A VERY, VERY RARE TRACT IN THE SURROUNDING CBD OR SURROUNDING AREAS IMMEDIATELY
PROXIMATE TO DOWNTOWN. 
          SO YOU HAVE A VERY, VERY MEANINGFUL ASSET HERE. 
          WHETHER IT'S LAND, THE BUILDING THE CONVENTION CENTER,
SURPLUS LAND THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED, THOSE ARE VERY, VERY RARE ASSETS AND SHOULD ATTRACT AND COMMAND TOP DOLLAR IF YOU ALL WERE
TO EVENTUALLY TRANSACT, WHETHER THAT'S GROUND LEASE JOINT VENTURE FOR SALE. 
          WE'RE VERY, VERY FAR FROM ANY DISCUSSION AROUND TRANSACTION AND VALUATION,
BUT I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE TO SAY THAT THIS IS A TROPHY SITE FOR DEVELOPMENT OF PRIVATE OR PUBLIC USES,
AND THERE ARE A RANGE OF OPTIONS THAT YOU COULD CONSIDER. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. CHAIRMAN GRACEY RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. ON THIS 911, I PULLED YOU OVER TO THE SIDE AND ASKED YOU ABOUT IT. 
          BUT I DO WANT TO GET ON THE RECORD BECAUSE I WANT MY CONSTITUENTS TO KNOW THAT. 
          THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, TOO, CONSIDERING WE JUST HAD THIS COMMUNITY MEETING. 
          WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS AND THEIR CONCERNS OVER THE MOUNTAIN CREEK AREA,
ABOUT THE 911. 
          IF IF THE 911 WERE TO BE RELOCATED SOMEWHERE SOUTH,
WOULD THAT WOULD IT OR WOULD IT NOT IMPROVE? YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT IN THEIR CASE OVER THERE,
THEY GET BOUNCED TO DUNCANVILLE AND I THINK IS CEDAR HILL ON THE 911 CALLS. 
          WOULD THAT HELP IN THAT CASE AT ALL? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. 
          SO THE ISSUE WITH CELL TOWERS AND THE WAY CELL PHONES CONNECT TO TOWERS WOULD NOT BE
IMPACTED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER BY MOVING THE 911 CENTER. ULTIMATELY, IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU'RE SITTING AND HOW
CLOSE YOU ARE TO THE TOWER. 
          SO A CELL PHONE WILL CONNECT TO THE CLOSEST CELL TOWER AND THEN DELIVER IT TO THE CELL
TOWER TO THE APP THAT IS RELATED TO THAT CELL TOWER. SO IT HAPPENS EVERY DAY. WE GET THAT. WE GET THOSE TYPES OF CALLS FROM MULTIPLE
JURISDICTIONS. 
          THEY GET OURS, WE GET THEIRS. AND THEN WE HAVE PROCESS BUSINESS PROCESSES IN PLACE THAT
ARE EFFECTIVE IN TRANSFERRING THOSE CALLS. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. NOW, LET ME GET BACK, BECAUSE WE STARTED DOWN THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT
THIS PHASED APPROACH AGAIN. 
          AND I WANT TO JUST SAY IN GENERAL WHY DID WHY DIDN'T WE TAKE THE PHASED APPROACH IN THE
FIRST PLACE? MY ASSUMPTION IS BECAUSE WELL, LET ME JUST NOT LEAD YOU OR WHOMEVER. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHO TO DIRECT IT. I GUESS I'LL START WITH YOU IN TERMS OF THE PHASED
APPROACH, IN TERMS OF FIVE YEARS VERSUS KIND OF TAKING A CONSTRUCTION APPROACH TO STRETCH THIS OUT
AND DO IT OVER A TIME PERIOD. 
          WHY WAS THAT NOT AN OPTION? OR I GUESS, COULD IT HAVE BEEN AND IF SO? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS REVEALED BY
THE SERIES OF EXPERTS THAT WE BROUGHT ON WAS WHEN WE DID THE NOVEMBER BRIEFING, WE PRESUMED THAT BASED ON THE WAY WE PIECED IT TOGETHER,
AND AGAIN, IT WAS BASED ON THE BEST INFORMATION THAT WE HAD BASED ON KNOWN DEFICIENCIES IN THE BUILDING AND COST ESTIMATES THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE TO THE BEST OF OUR KNOWLEDGE
AT THE TIME, WITHOUT HAVING A TRADITIONAL FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT TO SUPPORT THAT. 
          WE DIDN'T ENVISION THAT. THE INTRICACY THAT WE'VE LEARNED RECENTLY ABOUT HOW THE SYSTEMS
ARE INTERTWINED, HOW INVASIVE A LOT OF THE WORK WOULD NEED TO BE,
HOW FAR PAST THEIR USEFUL LIFE THAT ALL THE SYSTEMS WERE. 
          WE WERE IN A POSITION AT THAT POINT TO SAY, OKAY,
YOU KNOW, THIS IS NEW INFORMATION. 
          THIS IS A DIFFERENT WAY OF THEM ACTUALLY TAKING AN APPROACH THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM OURS,
WHICH THEN ALSO PRODUCED THE COST THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH ACTUALLY HAVING TO MOVE OUT OF THE BUILDING, ALONG WITH THE UNKNOWNS,
AS COUNCILMAN JOHNSON MENTIONED, ABOUT ASBESTOS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT COULD ESCALATE COST WHILE WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF CONSTRUCTION, BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THINGS LIKE CHANGE
ORDERS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, THINGS THAT WERE UNKNOWN, AS YOU MENTIONED, THAT WHO'S TO 
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SAY WHAT WE WOULD FIND ALONG THE WAY? AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THEY HAD
RECOMMENDED THAT IT BE THIS HOLISTIC, ALL THESE SYSTEMS INTEGRATED, AND THEN TO DO SO WITHOUT IT BEING A PATCHWORK QUILT OF
FIGURING OUT HOW TO DO THESE SYSTEMS THAT WAY, THAT IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE MOVE OUT. OKAY. 
          YEAH. AND SOMETIMES IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT THE QUESTIONS THAT'S BEING ASKED,
BUT IT'S HOW WE'RE HOW THEY'RE BEING ASKED IN THE WAY IN WHICH THEY'RE ASKING THE INTENT BEHIND THE ASK. AND IN THIS CASE, TO ME, I SEE US TRYING TO NARROW THIS DOWN TO A FIVE
YEAR BECAUSE HISTORICALLY, WE'VE DONE NOTHING BUT KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD,
WHICH IS WHY THINGS COST AS MUCH AS THEY DO. 
          SO FROM MY PERCEPTION, I WOULD WANT US TO KIND OF GET THIS DONE AND GET IT DONE AS SOON AS
POSSIBLE. 
          EVERYBODY IN THIS BUILDING, EVERYBODY SITTING AROUND THIS HORSESHOE,
SAID THEY LOVE CITY HALL AND THEY WANT TO DO THIS. 
          MOST OF THEM WANT TO SAVE CITY HALL AND SAVE CITY HALL MEANS LET'S DO IT AS QUICKLY AS
POSSIBLE. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE APPROACHES. WHETHER WE STAY OR NOT. 
          I WOULDN'T WANT TO PHASE THIS OUT BECAUSE IT WOULD NEVER GET DONE,
BECAUSE THAT THING WOULD COME UP THAT'S GOING TO REDIRECT THOSE MONIES AND SOMETHING ELSE WOULD BECOME A PRIORITY. WE CAN PRETEND THAT IT WOULDN'T HAPPEN,
BUT WE'RE HERE BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENED. 
          SO THAT AND AGAIN, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS REDUNDANCY. 
          Y'ALL TIRED SO. AND I HATE TO DO THIS TO YOU,
BUT JUST ONE MORE TIME. 
          WHY WOULD WE HAVE TO LEAVE THE BUILDING? BECAUSE,
AGAIN, I HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SAVING CITY HALL AND ALL THIS, BUT I THINK WHAT'S MISSING ARE THE PEOPLE THAT
ARE IN THIS BUILDING EVERY DAY. 
          WHY WOULD WE NEED TO LEAVE CITY HALL IN ORDER TO GET THIS DONE? I CAN TAKE ANOTHER STAB AND ALL THAT, STEPHEN OR SOMEONE ELSE. 
          SO THERE'S BEEN TIMES WHERE WE'VE DONE WORK IN THE BUILDING WHERE IT WAS SO LOUD THAT WE
WOULD HAVE TO EITHER DO IT AFTER HOURS, OR MAKE SURE THAT STAFF KNEW AND UNDERSTOOD. FROM THIS TIME TO THIS TIME,
WE WERE GOING TO HAVE CONTRACTORS IN AND IT WAS GOING TO BE DISRUPTIVE TO WORK OR DISRUPTIVE TO THE PUBLIC FLOW COMING IN FOR PEOPLE WHO WOULD WOULD VISIT. 
          AND WE TRY TO SCHEDULE THAT AS, AS BEST AS POSSIBLE,
JUST AS MUCH AS IF WE DID A PHASED APPROACH AND PEOPLE STAYED IN THE BUILDING, THEY'D BE COST ASSOCIATED WITH AFTER HOURS OR WEEKENDS OR HOLIDAYS FOR THAT MATTER,
BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU WOULD ALLOW US TO CONTINUE TO CONDUCT BUSINESS. 
          OTHERWISE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SERVICE INTERRUPTIONS IN THE BUILDING. OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. I AGAIN, I THANK MY COLLEAGUE CHAIR WEST FOR FOR HIS STATEMENTS BECAUSE I,
YOU KNOW, THE IRONY IS, I THINK WE'VE DONE WORK WITH ALL OF Y'ALL AT SOME POINT ON SOMETHING. 
          AND WE'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM UNTIL NOW, WHEN THE NUMBERS DON'T LOOK THE WAY WE WANT THEM
TO LOOK, OR WE FEEL LIKE SOMETHING, WE TRY TO SENSATIONALIZE THIS. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING. AGAIN, AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. I'LL STOP THERE. I
THINK WE'RE ON ROUND THREE NOW. 
          YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYONE'S SPOKEN TWICE NOW. 
          I SEE IN THE QUEUE. SO, MR. ROTH, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE. 
          ON YOUR COMPARATIVE COST SAVINGS, THE TOTAL PROJECT COST IS IS THOSE ARE THOSE NUMBERS
MONIES THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO SPEND? THE QUESTION IS, ARE THOSE MONIES YOU WOULD HAVE TO SPEND ON THE TOTAL PROJECT COSTS? YEAH. I THINK THE WELL, I ASK ABOUT FUNDING SOURCES,
LIKE WHERE WOULD THE I'M ASKING WHAT IS THAT COLUMN MONIES THAT ARE PROJECTED THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO SPEND TO OCCUPY ANY OF THOSE OTHER OPTION
BUILDINGS? YEAH. BASED ON THE METHODOLOGY, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT THAT'S YOUR OUT OF POCKET
EXPENSE. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT. YEAH, THE EXECUTION PLAN COULD BE VERY,
VERY DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON FUNDING SOURCES. 
          BUT YEAH, I THINK YOU SHOULD LOOK AT ALL THOSE NUMBERS AS APPLES TO APPLES OF MONEY OUT OF
POCKET. 
          OKAY. AND WAS THERE ANY AND I DON'T KNOW THAT YOUR SCOPE OF WORK REQUESTED IT,
BUT CAN YOU GIVE US ANY FEEDBACK ON ANY OTHER PROJECTS IN THE TOWN THAT ARE THAT ARE SIMILAR SIZE PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING BUILT,
AND MAYBE THE RELATIVE COST FOR THOSE. 
          YEAH. SO WITH RESPECT TO NEW CONSTRUCTION AND I THINK IT'S WELL PUBLICIZED,
MANY OF THE HEADQUARTERS THAT ARE MOVING HERE AND BUILDING NEW FACILITIES WE WOULD CHARACTERIZE THOSE AS CLASS A OR TROPHY OFFICE SPACE. 
          AND THOSE ARE RUNNING OUTSIDE OF TENANT ALLOWANCES. 
          SPECIAL TENANT ALLOWANCES. THOSE ARE RUNNING 800 TO $1000 A FOOT FOR BASE CASE OUTSIDE OF
LAND COSTS. 
          SO IT'S VERY CLEAR BASED ON ONE, THE MARKET RESPONSE,
BECAUSE THERE WERE A NUMBER OF BUILD TO SUIT CUSTOM OPTIONS SUBMITTED. 
          BUT THE MARKET RESPONSE AND OUR OWN DATA WOULD SAY THAT YOUR PROJECT COSTS FOR NEW
CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE ANYWHERE FROM PROBABLY 1000 TO $1200 A FOOT FOR CLASS A SPACE 
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WITHOUT LAND. AND THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE INCLUDING LAND. 
          BUT YEAH, THINK ABOUT IT AS 800 TO 1000 WITHOUT LAND,
WELL OVER A THOUSAND, INCLUDING LAND. 
          DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OF THE SITE YOU WOULD ACQUIRE. SO GOLDMAN SACHS IS BASICALLY
800,000. 
          THEY'RE SAYING IT'S 750 MILLION. IT'S ABOUT A THAT'S A LITTLE LESS THAN A THOUSAND. 
          I DON'T HAVE THAT EXACT COMP, BUT I THINK THAT'S A FAIR METHODOLOGY. YES,
SIR. UTD IS DOING A STUDENT CENTER. 
          IT'S ABOUT ABOUT 400,000. IT'S ABOUT $600 A FOOT WITH LAND IN THERE TEARING DOWN. 
          THAT IS YOUR TIME, MR. BAZALDUA. YOU RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. LINDA, CAN YOU TELL ME WHEN CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE FIRST CONTACTED YOU TO
TALK ABOUT THE CHARGE? I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DATE, BUT I THINK IT WAS LATE NOVEMBER. 
          CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SOMETIME AFTER THE COUNCIL VOTE, WHEN WE WERE STRATEGIZING ON HOW TO GET THIS WORK DONE
REALLY QUICKLY, AND WE CONTACTED LINDA TO SEE IF SHE'D BE WILLING TO HELP,
BECAUSE SHE HAD HELPED ON THIS PROJECT WITH A SORT OF SIMILAR SCOPE OF WORK. 
          THIS IS WHY DUE DILIGENCE MATTERS. THIS IS WHY I'M NOT GOING TO FEEL ANY TYPE OF WAY FROM
MY COLLEAGUES. 
          HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT MY QUESTIONING, BECAUSE I HAVE EMAILS THAT SHOW THAT BY SIX WEEKS
BEFORE WE TOOK ANY ACTION AT COUNCIL, YOU ALL WERE ALREADY FACILITATING THIS CONVERSATION. TRANSPARENCY MATTERS,
AND I'M NOT GOING TO BE MADE TO BE FELT GUILTY TO QUESTION Y'ALL ON TELLING US ACCURATE INFORMATION OR NOT,
BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT. 
          AND I ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES TO DO YOUR OWN DUE DILIGENCE AS WELL,
BECAUSE THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING. 
          ARE YOU FINISHED? I'VE NEVER SEEN YOU. JUST YOU. 
          YOU RIDDLING US, MAN. THAT'S YOU. THAT'S THAT'S UNPRECEDENTED. 
          CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE. 
          SO SEVERAL TIMES IT'S COME UP TONIGHT THAT YOU HAVE NOT PRESENTED TO US ANY KIND OF
FINANCIAL PLAN FOR THESE GRANDIOSE IDEAS. 
          IS IT POSSIBLE YOU'VE PUT US THROUGH THIS ENTIRE EXERCISE ONLY TO HAVE JACK IRELAND TELL
US THAT WE ARE BROKE? THAT'S A REAL QUESTION, JACK. I THINK WE HAVE NO BONDING CAPACITY. 
          WE HAVE THE PROPER AMOUNT OF RESERVES. WE HAVE A CAP OF 3.5% THAT WE CAN GO UP ON REVENUE. 
          WE'RE ALREADY THE HIGHEST TAX RATE IN THE METROPLEX AND OF ANY LARGE CITY IN TEXAS OTHER
THAN EL PASO, WHO HAS ALL ITS BUSINESS ON THE MEXICO SIDE. I'M NOT LOOKING FOR A TIFF THAT'S GOING TO
REMOVE GENERAL FUND DOLLARS FROM US IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT. 
          I'M LOOKING TO HAVE MONEY COME INTO THE GENERAL FUND. 
          SO TELL ME HOW WHAT WHAT IS THE BUCKET? EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PLAN,
WHAT BUCKET OF REVENUE COULD WE POSSIBLY BE TALKING ABOUT? JACK GARLAND CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER SO REGARDING OUR ABILITY TO FUND THIS TYPE OF PROJECT
WITHIN THE PROPERTY TAX, WE HAVE THE GENERAL FUND AND THE DEBT SERVICE FUND. 
          THOSE ARE OUR OUR TWO OPTIONS. AND THE GENERAL FUND GROWS,
IS ALLOWED TO GROW UNDER STATE LAW BY 3.5% PER YEAR ON PROPERTY TAX. 
          AND THEN OUR OTHER REVENUES GROW AS WELL. ON THE DEBT SERVICE FUND. 
          THERE'S NOT THAT SAME STATE CAP FOR GROWTH. AND WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO ISSUE ADDITIONAL
DEBT. 
          WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PERHAPS SEEK VOTER APPROVAL AUTHORIZATION TO ISSUE BONDS,
BUT WE HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CAPACITY TO WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY BORROW EACH YEAR. SO GETTING ADDITIONAL CAPACITY OR GETTING
ADDITIONAL AUTHORIZATION, WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE THE ANNUAL CAPACITY TO PAY THE DEBT. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHERE I'VE MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO ISSUE ABOUT $250 MILLION
OF GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS EACH YEAR. 
          WE HAVE RESERVED CAPACITY FOR POTENTIAL PENSION OBLIGATION BONDS,
THAT WE STILL HAVE THAT CAPACITY. 
          WE DO HAVE CAPACITY AND ISSUING EQUIPMENT EACH YEAR. 
          SO WE WOULD LOOK AT OUR DEBT SERVICE FUND TO DETERMINE WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE WITHIN
THAT. 
          WE ALSO WOULD BE LOOKING ARE THERE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THE CITY TO FUND WHATEVER
DIRECTION WE GO? SO ENTERPRISE FUNDS, FOR EXAMPLE, WATER UTILITY IS IN THIS BUILDING. 
          THERE WAS REFERENCE TO THE CONVENTION CENTER HAVING PAID FOR THE PARKING GARAGE 40 YEARS
AGO. 
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WE WOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK AT OTHER ENTERPRISE FUNDS TO SEE WHAT ALLOCATION WE CAN MAKE TO
THEM, TO CONTRIBUTE TO WHATEVER THE COST IS. IF WE IF THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION WERE TO END UP
BEING THAT WE ARE GOING TO RELOCATE, THEN THERE MAY BE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES, WHETHER IT IS OWNER FINANCING FOR SOME OF THE
BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SOME PROPOSALS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED OR IS THERE TIF FUNDS AVAILABLE? ARE THERE OTHER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUNDS THAT
ARE AVAILABLE. 
          SO THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL FUNDING OPTIONS? IF WE GO SOMEWHERE ELSE,
THEN THERE ARE IF WE STAY AT CITY HALL, I DON'T KNOW YET. IT'S WHAT WE WILL LOOK AT. AND AS MISS TOLBERT EXPLAINED EARLIER WE'RE
STILL REALLY EARLY IN THE POINT OF TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COUNCIL DIRECTION IS AND THEN COMING UP WITH A FINANCING PLAN FOR WHATEVER THAT NARROWED DOWN
OPTIONS ARE. 
          I HOPE THAT KIND OF ANSWERED WHAT YOU WERE ASKING,
MA'AM. 
          WE HAVE PENSION THAT WE HAVE PROMISED TO PAY. 
          WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE 350 MILLION. POINT OF ORDER. 
          STATE YOUR POINT OF ORDER. GOING INTO OTHER BUDGET ITEMS,
LIKE PENSION OUTSIDE THE SCOPE, IT CAN YOU. HE LITERALLY MENTIONED IT, THOUGH. 
          AND BY THE WAY, YOU USED UP MY TIME WHEN I WAS WALKING AND YOU DIDN'T STOP IT,
SO I THINK I HAVE 10S. 
          NO, YOU DON'T HAVE 10S. JUST GET YOUR QUESTION OUT AND LET HIM ANSWER IT. 
          BECAUSE WHEN I STOPPED YOU, YOU HAD NO TIME LEFT. 
          AND I'M NOT INTERESTED IN ALL THIS QUIBBLING THAT YOU GUYS ARE ENGAGING IN TODAY. LIKE,
IT'S JUST IT'S RIDICULOUS AND IT'S EMBARRASSING AND I'M TIRED OF IT. 
          SO ASK YOUR QUESTION. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          IT IS EMBARRASSING. AND THEY WOULDN'T PEOPLE WON'T NOT RELOCATE HERE BECAUSE OF QUESTIONS
THAT ARE BEING ASKED. 
          THEY'LL RELOCATE BECAUSE THEY WATCH THIS MEETING. 
          YEAH, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT ABOUT THAT. CHAIRMAN JOHNSON,
YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR. 
          LET'S SEE. LOOKS LIKE THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU,
MR. MAYOR. I WANT TO ASK A QUESTION. I THINK IT WAS ANSWERED,
BUT I DIDN'T GET IT. SO I JUST WANT TO KNOW, ARE WE ADA COMPLIANT? YES OR NO? NO, YOU'RE NOT ADA COMPLIANT. THE BUILDING IS NOT FULLY ADA COMPLIANT. 
          NO WE'RE NOT. IF I IF A FIRE WAS TO HAPPEN ON IN THIS ROOM WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS? CHIEF? PAUL, CAN YOU COME AND EXPLAIN THAT? OR THAT SPRINKLER SYSTEM ON THE ON THE FLOORS? WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? YEAH, THERE'S A SPRING. SO L1,
L2 SPRINKLERS, THEY'RE THE ONLY FLOORS THAT ARE SPRINKLERED. 
          BUT WITH OUR WITH OUR RESOURCES RESPONSE AND THE TECHNIQUES THAT WE USE WE CAN REACH
ANYWHERE IN THIS BUILDING. 
          I MEAN, IT'S LABOR INTENSIVE. IT'S NOT IDEAL. 
          BUT WE HAVE A RESPONSE FOR ANYWHERE IN THIS BUILDING FOR A FIRE. 
          SO DUE TO YOUR TRAINING, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT THE MOST LIKELY HOW YOU WOULD DO IT. 
          YOU GUYS ARE EXPERTS, AND YOU MAKE IT HAPPEN,
CORRECT? YEAH, DEFINITELY. IT'S A LOT OF MANPOWER. IN A BUILDING LIKE THIS,
IT'D BE MAINLY A CONTENTS FIRE. 
          THE THE ACTUAL BUILDING WON'T CATCH FIRE. BUT,
YEAH, WE'RE TRAINED AND PREPARED FOR THIS. 
          THANK YOU FOR FOR ANSWERING THAT. THANK YOU. I ALSO SAW A SNAKE THAT ONE OF YOUR FIRE FIRES CAUGHT THE OTHER DAY, RIGHT ON L2. 
          PROBABLY CAME FROM L3. IS THAT REAL OR WAS IT? I MEAN, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT POINT OF ORDER? I CAN'T EXPLAIN WHY,
BUT YES, THERE WERE THERE WAS A SNAKE. 
          THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING THIS QUESTION IS CONCERNING THE BUILDING. 
          BUT I RESPECT THAT, MR. MAYOR. HERE'S MY HERE'S MY CONCERN. 
          WE WE HAVE A BUILDING, AND WE GOT A COST. BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEING TRANSPARENT,
BECAUSE I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN BAZALDUA, WE NEED TO BE TRANSPARENT, LET EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT IT REALLY COST. 
          AND YOU REALLY CAN'T GIVE THAT THAT REAL COST LIKE WE NEED TO BECAUSE WE STILL GOT
UNFORESEEN SCOPE THAT HAS NOT BEEN TOUCHED. 
          SO IF WE'RE GOING TO REALLY FIX THE BUILDING THE WAY IT NEEDS TO BE FIXED AND SAVE CITY
HALL, THEN IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN WHAT WE ARE SPECULATING OR WHAT
WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY GIVEN, BUT DEALING WITH THE UNFORESEEN THINGS. SO THERE'S TWO WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS. 
          AND PURSUANT TO THE STANDARDS FOR THE FCA'S,
THERE'S A MARGIN OF ERROR HIGH SIDE AND LOW SIDE. 
          SO IT IS FAIR TO SAY WE CANNOT PROJECT ACCURATELY TO THE EXTENT OF AN EXACT DOLLAR FIGURE
BECAUSE THERE'S A 25% HIGH SIDE AND LOW SIDE. 
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SO THAT IS ABSOLUTELY PART OF THE METHODOLOGY. 
          WITH RESPECT TO THE MODERNIZATION COSTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE,
WE'VE ERRED ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION AND PROJECTED LOW COSTS. 
          SO YOUR STATEMENT IS ACCURATE THAT THIS COST COULD CERTAINLY BE HIGHER. 
          WE MODELED THE LOW SIDE. WE DIDN'T MODEL THE BASE CASE OR THE HIGH SIDE. 
          WE MODELED THE LOW SIDE. SO THAT WAS BY DESIGN. 
          AND OF COURSE THE COST COULD BE MATERIALLY HIGHER. 
          BUT IT'S ALSO FAIR TO SAY GIVEN THE LEVEL OF DUE DILIGENCE SO FAR,
THERE COULD BE COSTS THAT COME DOWN. 
          AND WE RECOGNIZE AND APPRECIATE THE SPIRIT OF THE DISCUSSION AND THE ACCURACY OF THE
INFORMATION TODAY. 
          YOU COULD SPEND SIGNIFICANT MORE TIME AND DOLLARS STUDYING THIS BUILDING. 
          THANK THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND I WILL I WILL END MY STATEMENT WITH THIS. 
          WE'RE HERE BECAUSE THE CAN HAS BEEN KICKED DOWN THE ROAD. 
          IF WE'RE GOING TO BE TOTALLY HONEST AND TRANSPARENT. 
          WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING IS SELECTIVE ACCOUNTABILITY IN CERTAIN SPOTS. I'VE SEEN SEVERAL
VIDEOS, A FEW OF THEM WHERE THE FORMER CITY MANAGER WAS TRYING TO GET MONEY DONE,
ALLOCATED TO FIX CITY HALL, AND IT WAS NOT DONE FOR WHATEVER THE REASON EVERYONE WANTED TO GIVE. 
          AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM, THAT THIS CAN HAS BEEN KICKED DOWN THE ROAD FOR SO LONG,
AND NOW WE'RE HAVING TO MAKE A TOUGH DECISION, AS OUR MAYOR HAS SAID. AND SO THAT IS THE PROBLEM. 
          AND IT IS FRUSTRATING BECAUSE WE SHOULD HAVE DID THIS A LONG TIME AGO. 
          BUT WE'RE WE'RE NOW HAVING TO TACKLE THIS TOUGH DECISION. 
          AND IT WAS KICKED DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE OF A TOUGH DECISION. 
          AND WE SHOULD HAVE FIXED THIS AND PUT MONEY IN WHEN THE CITY MANAGER WAS TRYING TO
ADVOCATE AND GET IT DONE. 
          MR. MAYOR, I HAVE ONE MORE MINUTE. CAN I GO AHEAD AND TAKE IT,
SIR? THAT'S. 
          THAT'S IT. I HAVE ONE MINUTE LEFT AND I'LL COME BACK. 
          YES, SIR. I'M WAITING TO YES, SIR. CHAIRMAN RIDLEY,
YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO ASK STAFF WHAT THEIR JUSTIFICATION WAS FOR ADVOCATING
FOR THE RELOCATION OF THE 311911 EOC BEFORE SEEING THIS PRESENTATION SUPPLEMENT FROM THE CONSULTANTS. 
          WHY WAS THAT INCLUDED IN THE FINANCE COMMITTEE MOTION? I'LL START. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. AND COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY,
THERE WERE COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE ABOUT MAKING THOSE AREAS A PRIORITY DUE TO THE CURRENT NATURE OF SOME OF THE ISSUES WITHIN THE BASEMENT,
AND WAYS THAT WE COULD ELEVATE AND IMPROVE THE WORKING ENVIRONMENT FOR THOSE STAFF PEOPLE. 
          IT'S NOT ONLY THOSE STAFF PEOPLE THAT ARE LOCATED IN THE BASEMENT,
WHICH WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE ALSO HAVE PAYROLL STAFF. WE HAVE THE TRANSPORTATION OPERATIONS CENTER IS ALSO IN
THE BASEMENT, BUT THIS CAME UP AS SOMETHING THAT THE FINANCE COMMITTEE ASKED US TO INCLUDE,
AND WE'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PROCEED AS COUNCIL DIRECTS. 
          WHAT WERE THE WORKING CONDITIONS THAT IDENTIFIED THIS AS A FACILITY THAT NEEDED TO BE
IMMEDIATELY REMOVED FROM CITY HALL? I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES YOU'VE ACTUALLY BEEN DOWN INTO THOSE AREAS,
BUT THERE ARE ISSUES AROUND THE FACILITIES FOR THEM AS IT RELATES TO THE RESTROOMS THE BREAKROOM AREAS. WE'VE HAD SOME WORK DONE IN THE PAST TO ACTUALLY ELEVATE
THAT. 
          I KNOW FOR THE 911 CALL CENTER IN PARTICULAR,
AND THERE'S AN OVERALL SMELL THAT'S IN THOSE AREAS IN THE BASEMENT. 
          I CAN GO INTO MORE DETAIL. IF YOU LIKE, BUT IT'S BEEN REALLY OVERALL SOME OF THE,
SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEAR OFTENTIMES FROM SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE GET, WHETHER IT'S WHEN IT'S RAINING MY PAYROLL TEAM IS SITTING IN THE
BASEMENT WHERE WATER IS ACTUALLY COMING INTO THE AREA WHERE THEY ARE WORKING. 
          SO WE HAVE OTHER EXAMPLES. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THIS A BE ABOUT 911 VERSUS THOSE OTHER
DEPARTMENTS, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE OTHER STAFF OUTSIDE OF THESE EMERGENCY FUNCTIONS THAT ARE ALSO IN THE
BASEMENTS OF CITY HALL. 
          SO WERE ANY OPTIONS TO UPGRADE THAT SPACE OR ADDRESS THE SMELL CONSIDERED BEFORE SPENDING
200 BILLION, $200 MILLION TO RELOCATE THE WHOLE THING? WELL,
WE HAVE NOT SPENT ANY MONEY AND WE HAVE NOT DONE AN ASSESSMENT ON WHERE THOSE FUNCTIONS COULD POTENTIALLY GO. THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT I THINK THIS COUNCIL
WOULD WANT US TO BRING BACK. 
          SO WE HAVE NOT SAID TO SPEND IT. WE HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED LOCATIONS THAT WE COULD BRING BACK
TO YOU AT THIS TIME THAT HAVE BEEN VETTED TO EVEN GIVE YOU THAT RECOMMENDATION RIGHT NOW. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THERE ARE CURRENT FACTORS FOR
EMPLOYEES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE BASEMENT AND THE WORKING ENVIRONMENT 
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THAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY SUBJECTED TO. SO ARE YOU LOOKING AT MEANS OF ADDRESSING THOSE
ISSUES SHORT OF RELOCATING IT TO SOME OTHER BUILDING? WE HAVE CONTINUED TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES AS THEY ARISE. 
          I KNOW THAT JOHN JOHNSON COULD PROBABLY GIVE YOU DATA ON THE NUMBER OF SERVICE ORDERS THAT
WE GET FOR CERTAIN PARTS OF THE BUILDINGS, SPECIFICALLY DOWN IN THE BASEMENT. AND WE WOULD DEFINITELY FIND WAYS AS WE TRY TO EVERY
YEAR AS PART OF OUR MAJOR MAINTENANCE BUDGET, WE TRY TO PRIORITIZE AREAS THAT WE CAN DO WORK ELEVATED AS BEST WE CAN AND BE ABLE TO
STRETCH THOSE DOLLARS. 
          BUT WE DEFINITELY WOULD WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT AS WE HAVE BEEN DOING,
SIR, IN THE PAST. 
          WELL, I FOR ONE WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN A RECITATION OF THOSE CONDITIONS AND WHAT CAN
BE DONE TO AMELIORATE THEM BEFORE MOVING THE WHOLE FACILITY OUT OF CITY HALL. THANK YOU. 
          AND YOUR COMMENTS ARE WELL RECEIVED. THANK YOU SIR. MISS KIDNEY RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AS A FORMER EMPLOYEE, I'M COMPELLED TO ADVOCATE FOR THE EMPLOYEES,
WHETHER WE STAY OR LEAVE. 
          I ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED A FIRE DRILL HERE WHEN AN EMPLOYEE HAD DIFFICULTY WALKING DOWN THE
STAIRS. 
          THIS WAS BEFORE THE BOND MEETING WHEN COUNCIL DID NOT APPROVE THE FUNDS. 
          THE PRESERVATIONIST WILL TELL YOU. I'VE MENTIONED THE EMPLOYEES EVERY TIME I HAVE SPOKEN
WITH THEM AND MY CONCERNS. 
          FOR ME, THIS HAS BEEN PAINFUL BECAUSE I REMEMBER THE HOPE OF HAVING THE BUILDING FIXED
DURING THE BOND DISCUSSIONS. 
          BUT NOW, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, I HAVE TO ASK QUESTIONS AND ADVOCATE FOR COMMUNITY INPUT. 
          I WAS AN EMPLOYEE. WHEN WE TRY TO MOVE EMPLOYEES TO BETTER BUILDING,
THAT WAS THE STEMMONS BUILDING. 
          WE DIDN'T SAVE MONEY. WE ENDED UP SPENDING MORE. 
          AND I THINK THE EMPLOYEES WERE MOVED BACK TO THEIR ORIGINAL LOCATION. 
          SO WE HAVE TO ASK QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN JOHNSON,
YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. JUST WANT TO MAKE ANOTHER STATEMENT. 
          NO. 911 AND 311 HAS BEEN SAID TO POSSIBLY MOVE AND IT WAS COME UP TO SOMEWHERE IN THE
SOUTHERN SECTOR. 
          AND I HEARD THE STATEMENT I WANT TO ADDRESS THIS STATEMENT ABOUT SAFETY. 
          ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF CITY HALL IS PRETTY MUCH UNSAFE. 
          AND TO PERPETUATE A NEGATIVE PERCEPTION THAT ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF CITY HALL,
IN PARTICULAR IN THE SOUTH OF 30 OR SOUTHERN DALLAS, IS UNSAFE. IT'S OFFENSIVE BECAUSE I LIVED THERE AND I GREW UP THERE,
AND THAT'S A PROBLEM. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS THAT. THANK YOU. MISS BLACKMON,
YOU RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE. 
          THANK YOU. AND I GUESS WITH MISS, I WAS AN EMPLOYEE HERE IN 2007. 
          AND I REMEMBER WHEN YOU KNOW, THE PLAZA WAS ACTIVATED. 
          IT WAS A LOT OF. IT WAS A LOT OF FUN BEING AN EMPLOYEE HERE. 
          I'VE BEEN TO L3. I WAS THERE WITH CHRIS. I WENT UP TO THE ROOF. 
          I'VE. I'VE BEEN IN THIS BUILDING. I'VE HAD MORE MEETINGS,
I THINK, IN THE HALLWAYS THAN NORMAL PEOPLE SHOULD, BECAUSE THERE REALLY ISN'T MEETING ROOMS. BUT THE THING IS,
IS THAT IT'S OUR BUILDING. 
          AND WHAT PEOPLE HAVE FAILED TO LOOK AT IS YOU CAN'T PUT PRIDE,
YOU CAN'T PUT A PRICE TAG ON PRIDE, AND THIS IS CIVIC PRIDE. AND TO COME IN AND TALK ABOUT MARKETS AND NUMBERS,
IT'S LIKE, BUT THERE IS A FACTOR HERE. 
          IT'S THAT PERSONAL FACTOR THAT THIS IS THE PEOPLE'S BUILDING AND IT CAN BE FUN AND
FUNCTIONAL. 
          AND THERE IS A PLAN FROM 1981 THAT TALKS ABOUT ACTIVATING THE PLAZA. 
          IT CAN HAPPEN. YOU JUST GOT TO HAVE THE POLITICAL WILL. 
          ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? MADAM CITY MANAGER,
I THINK YOUR PANEL IS RELEASED. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M SURE THEY COULD USE A RESTROOM BREAK. 
          THANK YOU, MADAM SECRETARY. THANK YOU. MR.. THANK YOU,
MR. 
          [ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION]
MAYOR. YOU DO HAVE ONE REMAINING ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA. 
          AGENDA ITEM SEVEN. AGENDA ITEM SEVEN IS ADOPTION OF A RESOLUTION APPOINTING BLANC AS INTERIM CITY AUDITOR, EFFECTIVE AT THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS ON MARCH 17TH,
2026, TO SERVE UNTIL THE CITY COUNCIL SELECTS AND APPOINTS THE CITY AUDITOR NOT TO EXCEED BLANC DOLLARS. 
          THIS IS YOUR ITEM, MR. MAYOR. IS THERE A MOTION YOU RECOGNIZED FOR A MOTION? CHAIRMAN WEST? THANK YOU. MAYOR, I MOVED TO APPOINT MAMATHA SPARKS AS INTERIM CITY
AUDITOR, WITH AN ANNUAL BASE SALARY OF $220,000, EFFECTIVE AT THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS ON MARCH 17TH,
2026. 
          UNTIL THE CITY COUNCIL SELECTS AND APPOINTS THE CITY AUDITOR,
THE CITY COUNCIL ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THE CITY AUDITOR POSITION HAS A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT UNDER THE CITY CHARTER, AND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS FLEXIBILITY TO SET THE
TIME PERIOD FOR THE AUDITOR TO MOVE TO THE CITY OF DALLAS AND WILL PROVIDE 
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MISS SPARKS WITH THE DATE FOR THAT. IS THERE A SECOND SECOND? IT'S BEEN MOVED, AND SECOND, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION,
CHAIRMAN WEST? ANY DISCUSSION? ANYONE? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT, MADAM SECRETARY. MR. MAYOR,
THIS CONCLUDES YOUR AGENDA FOR THE REGULAR MEETING. 
          OKAY, WELL, WITH THAT, THEN, THE THE BRIEFING MEETING IS HEREBY ADJOURNED AT 8:48 P.M.. 
          AND.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.