Mar 24, 2026 Housing and Homelessness Solutions

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GOOD MORNING. TODAY IS MARCH 24TH. THE TIME IS 913 AND I CALL TO ORDER THE HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS SOLUTIONS COMMITTEE.

[Housing and Homelessness Solutions on March 24, 2026.]

THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF MEETINGS AND ACTIVITIES.

I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA FOR YOUR COOPERATION AND ADVOCACY AND LEADERSHIP WITH WITH ME ON THAT.

AND LOOK FORWARD TO NEXT MONTH'S DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.

SO STAFF WILL BE PREPARED FOR THAT CONVERSATION.

THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM WE HAVE IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE FEBRUARY 23RD COMMITTEE MEETING.

IS THERE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? SECOND, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND, ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR CHANGES? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. WELL, OUR FIRST BRIEFING ITEM IS AN AGENCY SPOTLIGHT.

AND WE HAVE VERNA JONES FROM UNDER ONE ROOF. THIS IS THE, I DON'T KNOW, SECOND OR THIRD TIME.

I THINK YOU HAVE BEEN ON THE AGENDA. AND UNDER ONE ROOF IS ONE OF THOSE AGENCIES THAT'S DOING INCREDIBLE WORK IN OUR CITY AND ACTUALLY MAYBE EVEN MUCH MORE THAN YOU WOULD EXPECT. THEY WERE ONE OF OUR FUNDED ORGANIZATIONS WITH SIGNIFICANT ARPA FUNDS. AND. I HAVE KNOWN VERNA JONES SINCE BEFORE SHE STARTED UNDER ONE ROOF.

AND WHAT IT'S BECOME TODAY IS TRULY INCREDIBLE.

AND I REALLY FELT LIKE IT WAS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND HOW THEY'RE DOING IT SO THAT WE CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT LANDSCAPE OF HOMELESS SERVICES.

SO WITH THAT, VERNA, IF YOU WILL MAKE SURE TO PUSH THE BUTTON, YOU GOT TO MOVE THE MICROPHONES REALLY CLOSE.

IF YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE YOUR TEAM. AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS FIVE, NO MORE THAN TEN MINUTES OF A PRESENTATION, THEN WE MAY ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS OR NOT. BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. AGAIN, MY NAME IS VERNA JONES.

I AM THE CO-FOUNDER AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF UNDER ONE ROOF AND WHO I HAVE WITH ME TODAY VIRTUALLY.

I HAVE COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ. SHE IS THE DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS AND I BROUGHT TATIANA WILLIAMS. SHE'S OUR SENIOR DIRECTOR OF PROGRAM SERVICES.

AND JANET CORCORAN, SHE IS THE SENIOR DIRECTOR OF PREVENTION SERVICES.

SO WE'RE GOING TO GET STARTED. KAMISHA IS GOING TO START US OFF.

AND AGAIN, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE PRESENTATION KAMISHA, ARE YOU THERE? CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? SAY SOMETHING. HELLO? CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME? YES, SO WE CAN HEAR YOU. BUT WE'VE GOT TO GET THE THE CAMERA ON AS WELL.

THERE'S A STATE LAW THAT REQUIRES THAT. THERE WE GO.

THERE WE GO. WE CAN SEE IT, TOO. KAMISHA. THANK YOU.

OF COURSE. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. OKAY. NEXT SLIDE.

OKAY, SO UNDER MONROE'S MISSION AND VISION, OUR MISSION IS TO PROVIDE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING AND SUPPORT SERVICES TO LOW INCOME INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN DALLAS AND SURROUNDING COUNTIES.

OUR VISION IS A COMMUNITY WHERE EVERYONE HAS SAFE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THE TOOLS TO BECOME SELF-RELIANT.

ALRIGHT, SOME OF OUR DEMOGRAPHICS. 2025 WE SERVED 41% FAMILIES AND 59% INDIVIDUALS.

OUR GENDERS ARE SPLIT PRETTY EVENLY. WE HAVE 52% FEMALE, 47% MALE.

AND NEXT SLIDE, MICHELLE. AND THE TOTAL NUMBERS THAT WE SERVED IN 2025 WAS 1512.

THAT'S INCLUDING CHILDREN. AND THAT COMES DOWN TO 926 HOUSEHOLDS.

09,090% OF OUR CLIENTS RESIDE IN DALLAS COUNTY, WHICH UNDERSCORES OUR DEEP ROOTS IN THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.

HOWEVER, OUR REACH STILL EXTENDS TO COLLIN DENTON AND ROCKWALL COUNTY AS WELL.

TO ENSURE REGIONAL COVERAGE AND 100% OF THE INDIVIDUALS WE SERVE LIVE BELOW THE POVERTY LINE, WHICH MEANS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH SOME OF THE MOST VULNERABLE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY AND ADDRESSING NOT JUST HOUSING INSECURITY, BUT THE CONDITIONS THAT LEAD TO IT. NEXT SLIDE.

ALL RIGHT. SO THIS SLIDE CAPTURES OUR CONTINUUM OF CARE UNDER UNDER ONE ROOF PROVIDES HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES TO INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN DALLAS AND

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AND IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT OUR PROGRAMS ARE EFFECTIVE, WE PROVIDE WRAPAROUND SERVICES TO ENSURE LONG TERM STABILITY.

SO NOW I'LL PASS IT OVER TO TATIANA WILLIAMS, AND SHE'LL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF OUR HOUSING DEPARTMENT AND THE WRAPAROUND SERVICES WE PROVIDE TO THOSE PARTICIPANTS. THANK YOU. KAMISHA.

YES. SO WE CURRENTLY OPERATE JUST MOVE THAT MICROPHONE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER.

IT'S UNUSUALLY UNCOMFORTABLE HOW CLOSE IT HAS TO BE.

AND YOU GOT TO PUSH THE BUTTON AND THEN REALLY CLOSE.

IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE IT'S GREEN. THAT'S NOT WORKING.

OKAY. AND THEN BRING IT CLOSER. ALL RIGHT, THERE WE GO.

SO YEAH, WE CURRENTLY OPERATE SEVERAL DIFFERENT HOUSING PROGRAMS, INCLUDING BOTH PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING AND RAPID REHOUSING PROGRAMS. SO FOR ALL OF OUR HOUSING PROGRAMS, THERE'S ONE REQUIREMENT WHICH IS HOMELESSNESS.

AND ALL OF OUR PROGRAMS ARE REFERRAL BASED. WE TYPICALLY RECEIVE OUR REFERRALS FROM HOUSING FORWARD'S CASTE SYSTEM.

ONCE WE RECEIVE A REFERRAL, OUR CASE MANAGERS MAKE CONTACT TO SCHEDULE INTAKE AND DETERMINE ELIGIBILITY.

SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TWO HUD PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING PROGRAMS. THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE PROGRAMS IS THE RENTAL SUBSIDY.

SO WITH OUR UNSHELTERED PSH, THOSE CLIENTS, WHICH IS CURRENTLY SERVING 75 HOUSEHOLDS, THEY EACH HAVE A SECTION EIGHT HOUSING VOUCHER, WHICH IS THROUGH DALLAS COUNTY HOUSING AUTHORITY OR DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY.

THE HUD ANNUAL PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING PROGRAM THAT ONE SERVES 25 HOUSEHOLDS, AND WE ARE THE RENT ADMINISTRATORS FOR THAT PROGRAM.

THE MAIN REQUIREMENT WITH THAT PROGRAM IS OF COURSE CHRONIC HOMELESSNESS AND THEN HAVING A DISABILITY.

WE ALSO HAVE OUR LONGEST STANDING PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING PROGRAM, WHICH IS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY.

AND THAT PROGRAM CURRENTLY SERVES 44 HOUSEHOLDS ON THE RAPID REHOUSING SIDE, WHICH IS A MORE SHORT TERM IMMEDIATE ASSISTANCE.

TYPICALLY PROVIDING UP TO 12 MONTHS OF RENTAL ASSISTANCE.

ON THIS SIDE, WE HAVE OUR STREET TO HOME PROGRAM, WHICH IS ALSO IN PARTNERSHIP WITH HOUSING FORWARD SAYS ON HERE WE'RE SERVING 75 HOUSEHOLDS, BUT WE ACTUALLY WERE ASKED TO TAKE ON AN ADDITIONAL 25 HOUSEHOLDS.

SO THIS PROGRAM WILL SERVE 100 HOUSEHOLDS NOW.

THEN WE HAVE OUR YOUTH HOMELESS DEMONSTRATION PROGRAM, WHICH IS A NEW PROGRAM TO US.

IT'S SPECIFIC TO YOUTH AGES 18 TO 24. SO IT'S BEEN REALLY EXCITING FOR US HAVING THIS PROGRAM.

IT IS SERVING 50 HOUSEHOLDS. THEN WE HAVE OUR HUD RAPID REHOUSING PROGRAM, WHICH IS SERVING 30 HOUSEHOLDS.

AND THEN LASTLY, WE HAVE THE CITY OF GARLAND PROGRAM, WHICH IS SERVING TWO HOUSEHOLDS.

NEXT SLIDE. SO ONCE OUR CLIENTS ARE ENROLLED IN OUR HOUSING PROGRAMS LIKE KAMISHA MENTIONED, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PROVIDING THOSE WRAPAROUND SERVICES TO REALLY FOCUS ON HOUSING STABILITY.

THEY'RE GOING TO RECEIVE INTENSIVE CASE MANAGEMENT. SO OUR CASE MANAGERS ARE GOING OUT MEETING WITH OUR CLIENTS MONTHLY, DOING THOSE IN-HOME HOME VISITS. HOUSING NAVIGATION IS ATTACHED TO THIS.

SO OUR NAVIGATORS ARE WORKING WITH THE CLIENTS ONE ON ONE TO REALLY FIND UNITS THAT ARE SUITABLE FOR THEM.

OF COURSE THEY GET RENT UTILITY ASSISTANCE. MOVING FEES IF NEEDED, MOVE IN KITS, WHATEVER IS NEEDED TO MAKE THE HOUSE FEEL LIKE A HOME.

UPON MOVING, WE CONNECT THEM WITH REFERRAL'S COMMUNITY RESOURCES.

MENTAL HEALTH IS A BIG ONE RIGHT NOW, SO WE REALLY GET THEM CONNECTED WITH MENTAL HEALTH REFERRALS.

WE'RE PARTNERED WITH NIKPA METRO CARE. WE ALSO DO EMPLOYMENT SERVICES.

SO WE HAVE IN-HOUSE EMPLOYMENT. SO ALL OF OUR CLIENTS CAN BE REFERRED OVER TO OUR EMPLOYMENT SPECIALIST WHO WORKS WITH THEM ONE ON ONE TO FIND INCOME, BECAUSE WE KNOW INCOME IS GOING TO BE THE MAIN FACTOR IN HOUSING STABILITY.

AND THEN LASTLY, WE PARTNER WITH FROST TO PROVIDE FINANCIAL EDUCATION COURSES TO MAKE SURE CLIENTS KNOW WHAT TO DO ONCE THEY START RECEIVING THAT INCOME.

SO HOW TO BUDGET, HOW TO USE A BANK ACCOUNT IF THEY HAVEN'T.

BUT THAT'S THE MAIN THING WITH OUR PROGRAMS. JUST MAKING SURE THEY'RE REALLY CONNECTED, HAVING ALL THE SUPPORT SERVICES THEY NEED TO REALLY MAINTAIN THEIR HOUSING.

SO I'LL NOW PASS IT OVER TO JANET TO TALK ABOUT OUR PREVENTION DEPARTMENT.

CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? SORRY. SO WITH OUR HOMELESS PREVENTION PROGRAM, WE PROVIDE RENT, MORTGAGE AND UTILITY ASSISTANCE TO INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES AT RISK OF HOMELESSNESS.

WE CURRENTLY SERVE DALLAS AND COLLIN COUNTY WITH THE TARGET POPULATION OF LOW INCOME INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES.

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RESOURCES SUCH AS EMPLOYMENT COUNSELING SERVICES, CHILDCARE, TRANSPORTATION ARE ALSO PROVIDED TO CLIENTS TO ASSIST THEM IN BECOMING MORE STABILIZED AS WELL. LISTED HERE IS A COUPLE OF OUR FUNDING SOURCES.

WE RECEIVED FUNDING FROM THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AFFAIRS, HOUSING AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS FEMA AS WELL AS THE CITY OF GARLAND, AND WE ALSO WERE A COLLABORATIVE AGENCY TO UNITED WAY'S TRACK PROGRAM AND AS WELL AS THE CITY OF DALLAS.

NEXT SLIDE. SO ON THIS. ON THIS SLIDE, WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS THE CITY OF DALLAS FUNDING THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM 2020 TO PRESENT.

OUR ORIGINAL PROGRAM, OUR ORIGINAL RAPID REHOUSING PROGRAM.

WE WERE AWARDED 3000, 3 MILLION, $3.6 MILLION AND SERVED 157 HOUSEHOLDS WITH THAT PROGRAM.

WITH OUR DRIVERS OF POVERTY PROGRAM, WE WERE AWARDED $295,000 AND WE SERVED 185 HOUSEHOLDS.

OUR ORIGINAL GOAL WAS TO SERVE 60 HOUSEHOLDS.

SO WE WERE ABLE TO EXCEED THAT GOAL. OUR MOST RECENT PROGRAM IS THE DISTRICT 111 PROGRAM.

WE WERE AWARDED $891,000 TO PROVIDE RENT, UTILITY AND MORTGAGE ASSISTANCE TO RESIDENTS RESIDING IN DISTRICT 111, AND WE WERE ABLE TO SERVE 180. EXCUSE ME. WE'RE ABLE TO SERVE 267 CLIENTS, AND OUR ORIGINAL GOAL WAS 150.

SO FAR, 80% OF THE CLIENTS SERVED HAVE REMAINED HOUSED AFTER SIX MONTHS OF SERVICES RECEIVED.

AND TO JUST WRAP THIS UP, THIS IS WORK THAT WE CANNOT DO ON OUR OWN.

WE VERY HEAVILY RELY ON OUR COLLABORATIVE PARTNERS, AND WE KNOW THAT WE DO HOUSING WELL, CASE MANAGEMENT, PREVENTIVE SERVICES, BUT WE CAN'T DO IT ALL. AND SO WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH MENTAL HEALTH PROVIDERS.

HARMONY, CDC, ROSS BANK, AS TATIANA MENTIONED, HOPES TO OUR NEW BEGINNING, VOGEL ALCOVE AND MANY MORE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING THE BEST SERVICES TO OUR PROGRAM PARTICIPANTS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, LADIES. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. GREAT JOB. AND I'LL TELL YOU THAT THERE'S TWO SLIDES THAT I LOVE THE MOST.

AND ONE OF THEM IS OF COURSE THE COLLABORATIVE PARTNERS.

AND I THINK IT SHOWS WHAT GOES INTO REALLY HELPING AN AGENCY THRIVE.

BUT ALSO, I LOVE HOW YOU SHOWED ALL THE DIFFERENT POTS OF MONEY FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT GRANTS AND ALL THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. AND THAT'S THE REALITY, I THINK, OF THE NONPROFITS THAT ARE DOING THIS KIND OF WORK.

AND IT'S A LOT MORE COMPLICATED THAN I THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD CONSIDER.

I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT TO ANY QUESTIONS PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE.

OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER BLAIR. WE TELL YOU GUYS, WE TELL YOU GUYS TO PUT THE MIC CLOSE AND TURN ON YOUR. AND I DON'T DO IT ON SLIDE.

LET ME GET TO IT. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CITY OF DALLAS DISTRICT 111, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT AREA THAT IS? YES. YES, MA'AM. IT IS THE SOUTHERN SECTOR OF DALLAS.

SO DUNCANVILLE, CEDAR HILL, DESOTO, OAK CLIFF, JUST IN THAT OVERALL SOUTHERN SECTOR.

OKAY. SO WHEN YOU WHEN YOU SAY IS THAT A. OKAY.

IS DUNCANVILLE DE SOTO, ALL OF OAK CLIFF, A PART OF OAK CLIFF? NO, IT WAS A ZIP CODE RESTRICTED. SO IT WAS CERTAIN ZIP CODES THAT WE CAN SERVE WITHIN DISTRICT 111.

SO BUT WITHIN THOSE AREAS, THOSE WERE THE MAIN CITIES THAT WE WERE ASSISTING.

IS IT A POSSIBILITY TO GET THE ZIP CODES IN THE CITY OF DALLAS THAT YOU DO SERVE? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT.

DO WE HAVE THAT? I THINK IT'S THAT IT'S ALL THE AREA THAT'S FOR REPRESENTATIVE YVONNE DAVIS.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES. SO ALL THE AREAS SHE REPRESENTS, I UNDERSTAND DISTRICT 111.

OKAY. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHAT DISTRICTS I'M LEARNING.

WHAT DISTRICTS OR WHO. IF I SAY 111, IT'S THIS STATE REPRESENTATIVE.

IF I SAY 30, IT'S THAT CONGRESSIONAL. SO IF I SAY DISTRICT EIGHT, IT'S ME.

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I LIKE THE. AND UNDER ONE ROOF. CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE YOU'RE LOCATED? WE'RE AT 67 IN HAMPTON. OH. THAT'S ME. AND AND ZAHRA.

SO WHAT IS IT ON YOUR SIDE OR MY SIDE? OKAY, IT'S DISTRICT THREE.

I'LL LET YOU HAVE THEM, BUT WE'LL SHARE THEM LIKE WE DO EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO I LOVE YOUR COLLABORATIVE. THANK YOU. AND I, AND I LOVE THE FACT THAT YOU DO TELL US HOW YOU, YOU BRING, YOU BRING PEOPLE IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE YOU BROUGHT IN.

CAN YOU BREAK IT DOWN IN A MORE GRANULAR LEVEL? I LOOK FOR GRANULARITY. AND I'M NOT LOOKING FOR INFORMATION YOU CANNOT SHARE, BUT I'M LOOKING FOR NUMBERS.

SO OF THE PEOPLE THAT YOU BROUGHT IN, HOW MANY ARE FIRST TIME SUPPORTED PEOPLE? HOW MANY ARE REPEATS? AND IF THEY'RE REPEATS, WHY ARE THEY REPEATING? THAT'S THE TYPE OF INFORMATION THAT I'M LOOKING TO SEE, BECAUSE IT THEN LETS ME UNDERSTAND WHETHER WE HAVE A PROBLEM WE NEED TO SHORE UP, OR IF THERE IS, OR IF WE HAVE UNHOUSED RESIDENTS WHO ARE HOPPING FROM PLACE TO PLACE.

SO THE ONLY WAY WE CAN DO THAT IS IF WE GET THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION.

SO CAN WHEN CAN YOU SHARE THE NUMBERS AND A MORE GRANULAR LEVEL? ABSOLUTELY. KAMISHA CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR ME.

SO WE DON'T HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER OF CLIENTS THAT I GUESS YOU CAN SAY ARE REPEATS.

AND I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU'RE MEANING SYSTEM WIDE.

I'M NOT REALLY SURE, BUT WHAT I CAN SAY IS WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CLIENTS THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH OUR PROGRAM AND THEN COME BACK TO US DIRECTLY.

BUT I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD A COUPLE, MAYBE JUST A FEW WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE, IN OUR SYSTEM, DALLAS COLLIN COUNTY, AND THEY MAY HAVE GONE THROUGH A RAPID HOUSING PROGRAM, LET'S SAY WITH, WITH AUSTIN STREET OR, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER ORGANIZATION.

AND IT MAY NOT HAVE WORKED THAT TIME. AND SO THEY HAVE REENTERED THE SYSTEM TO BE REHOUSED AGAIN.

BUT THAT NUMBER IS NOT VERY HIGH. BUT I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THAT THAT NUMBER.

NO, I JUST IF YOU CAN JUST SHARE, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS.

SO IF IT'S THREE, IT'S THREE THAT HAVE COME THROUGH THE SYSTEM BEFORE.

IF IT'S 20, IT'S 20. I JUST NEED TO KNOW HOW MANY HAVE COME THROUGH THE SYSTEM BEFORE AND LET ME KNOW IF WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING BIGGER IN ORDER TO TOUCH THEM. THE GOAL FOR ME IS TO TOUCH A UNHOUSED PERSON ONE UNDER.

FIRST OF ALL, UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS THE NEED? WHAT KIND OF NEED DID THEY HAVE AND CAN WE MEET THAT NEED? IF WE WERE ABLE TO MEET THAT NEED AND WE DID NOT AND THEY AND IT WAS NOT SUSTAINABLE, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO DIFFERENTLY UPFRONT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO SEE THEM AGAIN IN THE SAME PREDICAMENT? THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'M TRYING TO GET TO, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. WHAT WE CAN DO IS SEND YOU THAT NUMBER TODAY.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER RIGHT NOW, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY GET IT FOR YOU. ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I NEED TO KNOW. THANK YOU. OKAY. DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? COUNCIL MEMBER. BAZALDUA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR IMPORTANT WORK.

I JUST TWO QUESTIONS. ONE ON THE YOUTH HOUSING PROGRAMING.

CAN CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THE PARTNERSHIPS THAT ARE THERE AND WHERE YOU BELIEVE THERE TO BE GAPS? I I THINK THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST SELDOM FACETS THAT WE HEAR ABOUT.

AND I THINK IT'S ALSO ONE THAT WE'RE KIND OF MISSING THE MARK ON AS A CITY.

ABSOLUTELY. TATIANA CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU.

YES. GREAT QUESTION. SO WITH THE YOUTH PROGRAM, THE PARTNERSHIPS ONE WITH THAT PROGRAM IS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH HOUSING FORWARD.

IT'S THEIR GRANT. SO THAT'S WHERE WE GET OUR REFERRALS FROM.

BUT WELL, ACTUALLY WE GET REFERRALS FROM ELEVATE AS WELL.

IT'S A TRANSITIONAL KIND OF LIVING SITUATION FOR THE YOUTH NORTH TEXAS.

SO WE RECEIVE OUR CLIENTS DIRECTLY FROM THEM.

IN TERMS OF PARTNERSHIPS, ONCE THE CLIENTS ARE IN OUR PROGRAMS, WE'RE STILL BUILDING OUT THOSE PARTNERSHIPS.

THE MAIN THING RIGHT NOW IS GETTING THEM CONNECTED WITH WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM HAVEN'T BEEN IN THE WORKFORCE BEFORE.

SO THAT'S OUR MAIN FOCUS RIGHT NOW. AND WE DO WORK WITH THE TEXAS WORKFORCE, REFER THEM THERE A LOT.

BUT REALLY JUST GETTING THEM CONNECTED WITH THE RESOURCES IN THEIR COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY MOVE TO.

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IS THAT CORRECT? I'M SORRY, WHAT YOU SAID MORE BED SPACE.

YEAH. YES. YES, DEFINITELY. IS THERE ANY COLLABORATION WITH AFTER EIGHT TO EDUCATE? WE ACTUALLY DO, WE DON'T PARTNER WITH THEM DIRECTLY, BUT WE HAVE REFERRED OUR CLIENTS OVER TO THEM AND THEY'RE STILL MODELED AS A DROP IN ONLY.

ISN'T IS THAT AS FAR AS I KNOW, AS FAR AS YOU KNOW.

OKAY. IS THERE OPPORTUNITY FOR COLLABORATION? WITH, WITH AFTER EIGHT OR OTHERS THAT MAY HAVE TURNKEY READY SPACE TO PROVIDE MORE BED SPACE? YES, WE WILL BE OPEN TO IT. ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD JUST ASK OUR CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO PREPARE SOMETHING FOR US TO, TO LOOK AT HOW WE CAN HELP PROMOTE AND CONNECT MORE ROBUST RESOURCES.

AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE PROBABLY BENEFICIAL TO BRING D ISD INTO THAT CONVERSATION.

I WOULD ALSO LOVE TO EXPLORE HOW WE CAN COLLABORATE MORE WITH AFTER EIGHT TO EDUCATE.

I THINK THEY HAVE A REALLY GOOD PROGRAM AND GOOD FUNDERS, BUT WITH THEM BEING JUST A DROP IN.

I THINK WE'RE MISSING THE MARK SPECIFICALLY IN SOUTH DALLAS AT THIS RESOURCE.

YES, SIR. WE'D BE PLEASED TO DO THAT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU LIZ. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT I WANTED TO JUST ASK, YOU KNOW, ONE OF AS CHAIR MENDELSOHN MENTIONED, WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING SOME KIND OF OUT THE BOX, OUT OF THE BOX THINKING THAT WE, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE IN OUR CATALOG, IF YOU WILL.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS HOPING TO BE ABLE TO CONCENTRATE ON, BUT WE STILL ARE COLLECTING DATA FOR IS SUBSTANCE USE NEEDS SPECIFICALLY.

AND CAN YOU JUST SPEAK TO WHERE YOUR EXPERIENCE AND WITH YOUR CLIENTELE ON, ON WHAT WE COULD BE DOING MORE IN THAT REGARD WITH HARM REDUCTION AND MEETING PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE WITH ADDICTION? YES, THAT IS A LOADED QUESTION. BECAUSE IT'S A BIG ISSUE WITH THE HOMELESS POPULATION.

WE SEE IT A LOT IN OUR CLIENTS WHO HAVE BEEN HOMELESS FOR A LONG TIME.

SO WHEN THEY COME INTO THE PROGRAM, THEY HAVE HAVE ALREADY BEEN USING SUBSTANCE FOR SUCH A LONG TIME.

SO IT'S HARD TO GET THEM TO ACCEPT TREATMENT TO REDUCE THAT.

SO ALTHOUGH WE DO CONNECT THEM, WE WORK REALLY CLOSELY WITH APA AND THAT'S BEEN A GREAT RESOURCE.

BECAUSE THAT PEER CONNECTION, I THINK IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE WITH THEM.

SO SOMEONE WHO HAS LIVED THE SHARED SIMILAR EXPERIENCES WITH THEM, REALLY WALKING THROUGH WITH THEM.

SO I THINK MORE PEER SUPPORT HONESTLY WOULD BENEFIT A LOT WITHIN THE SUBSTANCE USE.

AND LAST QUESTION, IF YOU ARE LOOKING HOLISTICALLY AT THE SYSTEM WITH THE DIFFERENT PARTNERS THAT YOU ALL WORK WITH ASIDE FROM FUNDING, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE FIRST ANSWER OUT OF YOUR MOUTH. WHAT WOULD YOU SAY? WE'RE LACKING.

WHAT COULD WE HAVE MORE OF? OR WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE? THERE NEED TO BE A NEED FOR US TO HELP EVERYONE'S EFFORTS MOVING FORWARD IN RELATION TO HOUSING OR PREVENTION? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW PREVENTION IS WHAT'S THE NEED IN THE COMMUNITY.

BUT HOW ABOUT BOTH MORE HOUSING, MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE FUNDED IN DECEMBER WITH THE BASEL DAY ONE FUND FOR $1.25 MILLION.

SO THAT'S FOR CLIENTS WHO ARE JUST ABOUT TO BE HOMELESS.

AND WE WILL PAY HOTEL STAY IN THREE MONTHS RENT.

BUT THAT FOURTH MONTH, IF SOMEBODY IS JUST MAKING $15 AN HOUR, THEY CAN'T SUSTAIN THEMSELVES.

AND SO THAT'S A MAJOR CONCERN. AND AGAIN, PREVENTION DOLLARS RIGHT NOW.

WE WENT FROM 90,000 A MONTH OF RENTAL ASSISTANCE.

DOWN TO 15 WHEN WE OPEN UP OUR PORTAL ON THE FIRST DAY OF MARCH, 785 FOLKS WENT TO OUR WEBSITE TO APPLY.

WE COULD ONLY HELP A DROP IN THE BUCKET. SO THE NEED IS MAJOR RIGHT NOW IN THE COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. COUNCIL MEMBER.

GRACEY. YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO ECHO THIS, THE PARTNERSHIP AND AGAIN, THE WORK THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING AND HOW YOU SERVE THE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST YOU AS AN ORGANIZATION OR AS INDIVIDUALS, BUT ESPECIALLY HOW YOU PARTNER WITH MANY ORGANIZATIONS TO SERVE THE NEEDS AND ALL OF THOSE NEEDS AND THE VAST NEEDS, WHETHER IT IS, YOU KNOW, HOUSING TO, TO THE DRUGS TO THAT WAY IF THEY COME TO THROUGH YOUR DOORS,

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AND I WANT TO JUST PUBLICLY THANK YOU FOR NOT LETTING YOUR HAND GO OF THE CLIENT BEFORE THEY GET CONNECTED TO THAT.

AND THAT IS VERY MUCH NOTICEABLE IN THE WORK THAT YOU ALL DO IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND HI, NEIGHBORS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. WE CANNOT DO IT BY OURSELVES.

WE RELY HEAVILY ON OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS. WE RELY HEAVILY ON HOUSING FORWARD FOR OUR HOUSING PROGRAMS AND THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR OUR PREVENTION PROGRAM.

SO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT EACH OF YOU DO.

SO THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CHAIR, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR TAKING THE TIME TO COME TO CITY HALL AND EDUCATE US ON ON YOUR WORK, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING Y'ALL ARE DOING. THANK YOU.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO WRAP IT UP WITH THIS THAT I APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE THE DRUG ADDICTION ISSUES, BUT THE THING THAT I THINK OF FOR UNDER ONE ROOF IS REALLY, I THINK YOU ARE THE LEADING AGENCY THAT'S ACTUALLY ADDRESSING HOMELESSNESS, EXITING HOMELESSNESS WITH THE SOCIAL SERVICES AND THE SOCIAL WORKERS THAT ARE DOING THE MENTAL HEALTH WORK.

AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OTHER AGENCY THAT HAS BEEN SO FOCUSED ON THE MENTAL HEALTH SIDE OF STABILIZING PEOPLE AND HELPING THEM REGAIN THEIR INDEPENDENCE. SO THAT, I THINK, IS ACTUALLY A BIG DIFFERENTIATOR FOR YOUR PROGRAM.

THANK YOU. YOU'VE GIVEN ME TOURS OVER THE YEARS OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES WHERE YOU MAY HAVE ONE UNIT AND YOU HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE WITHIN SCATTER SITE WITHIN THAT PROPERTY. ARE YOU ABLE TO GIVE TOURS TO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS IF THEY'RE INTERESTED? SAY IT ONE MORE TIME TO GIVE TOURS TO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS IF THEY'RE INTERESTED.

ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD WELCOME YOU ALL TO EVEN COME TO UNDER ONE ROOF.

WE'VE GROWN SO MUCH OVER THE YEARS, SO. ABSOLUTELY.

YES. WELL AND THEN THE OTHER THING I'LL JUST SAY IS THAT YOU PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN SUCH AN INCREDIBLE MENTOR TO SO MANY.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE STILL TEACHING US, BUT I WILL JUST SAY MISS.

MISS JONES HAS BEEN AN INCREDIBLE SOCIAL WORK INSTRUCTOR FOR MANY, MANY PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THIS FIELD NOW.

SO ANYHOW, THANKS FOR BEING HERE TODAY. THANK YOU.

EDUCATE US ON WHAT YOU DO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

TAKE CARE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU.

OKAY. MOVING ON TO ITEM B. THIS IS FIRST UP, HOLMES.

SO WHILE I'VE INVITED QUITE A NUMBER OF HOMELESS NON-PROFITS OR ORGANIZATIONS THAT ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS, THIS IS REALLY OUR FIRST ONE TO DEAL WITH A DIFFERENT MODEL OF HOUSING, EXCEPT WE'RE ACTUALLY ALREADY ONE STEP IN THERE.

SO THERE'S ALREADY AN APPROVED DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING IN DISTRICT EIGHT, BUT IT'S DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING ELSE WE'VE SEEN IN OUR CITY.

AND SO WHILE WE APPROVED IT WITH A VOTE I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE'S REALLY A DEEP UNDERSTANDING OF HOW IT WORKS AND WHY IT WORKS AND HOW IT'S PROVIDING THAT LEVEL OF AFFORDABILITY FOR HOUSING.

AND SO WHAT I'VE ASKED IS FOR YOU ALL TO COME, AGAIN, JUST 5 TO 10 MINUTES.

YOU HAVE A LOT OF SLIDES. I HOPE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO READ ALL OF THEM.

AND THEN LET US JUST ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS. PLEASE DON'T GIVE US A SALES PITCH ON YOUR THING AS MUCH AS EDUCATE US ON WHAT THIS MODEL IS AND HOW IT WORKS. OKAY. SO WITH THAT, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

AGAIN, I THINK THEY'RE OPEN TO GIVING TOURS OF OTHER SITES.

THEY HAVE SOME NEARBY CITIES WHERE THESE COMMUNITIES EXIST AND I THINK IT'S VERY INSTRUCTIVE TO GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK IF YOU'RE ABLE TO DO SO.

SO THANK YOU. IF YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE IT AWAY AGAIN, THE MICROPHONE AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN.

YEAH. NO. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS WILL BOIK. I'VE GOT KYLE VIOLA HERE NEXT TO ME AS WELL.

SO YES, OUR MISSION THIS MORNING IS TO INTRODUCE OURSELVES, REINTRODUCE OURSELVES TO TO THOSE ON ON THE COUNCIL THAT DO KNOW WHO WE ARE.

WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE THIS MORNING AND, AND SHOWCASE THIS PROJECT THAT WE DO HAVE GOING ON UNDERWAY IN DISTRICT EIGHT.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.

IT IS A DISTRICT EIGHT. SO FIRST UP HOMES AND WE CAN KIND OF QUICKLY MOVE THROUGH THE SLIDES.

I DON'T WANT TO GO TOO FAST THROUGH THEM, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY GO THROUGH THAT.

SO OUR TEAM, APPROXIMATELY 80 PEOPLE PROJECTS ACROSS NORTH TEXAS IN THE MANUFACTURED HOUSING SPACE.

SO WE'RE VERY PROUD TO SHOWCASE WHAT THAT MEANS IN 2026, WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THE COMMUNITIES IN WHICH THEY LIVE AND WORK.

AND AS TO THAT, IT'S A NEW MODEL AND IT'S ONE THAT WE'RE CERTAINLY VERY PROUD OF THAT'S UNDERWAY IN DALLAS NOW.

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AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE VERY PROUD ABOUT WITH THIS AND THE SUBJECT OF ATTAINABLE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

HOW CAN YOU DO THAT AT SCALE? THIS PROJECT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS MORNING IS APPROXIMATELY OVER 800 HOMES FOR HOME OWNERSHIP. SO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY THAT THESE ARE HOMES FOR SALE AND OWNED BY THE HOMEOWNERS THEMSELVES.

ALL RIGHT. SO NEXT SLIDE. IF WE CAN, WE CAN QUICKLY MOVE THROUGH THESE.

WE'LL MOVE THROUGH THIS ONE AS WELL. AND GO. SO THIS JUST REAL QUICKLY TO SHOWCASE WHERE WE ARE, WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING. IT IS A COMBINATION OF NEW DEVELOPMENTS WHICH SOME ON THE COUNCIL HAVE SEEN EXISTING COMMUNITIES THAT WE HAVE GONE INTO TO REFURBISH, UPGRADE SIGNIFICANTLY IN TERMS OF THE LIFESTYLE THAT THESE RESIDENTS AND HOMEOWNERS CAN RECEIVE AND HAVE AT THEIR DISPOSAL AND AVAILABILITY, AND A NUMBER OF COMMUNITIES UNDER DEVELOPMENT ACROSS NORTH TEXAS.

SO IT CERTAINLY IT HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE FOR US TO REINTRODUCE THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT TO THE MARKET.

BUT AGAIN, WE'VE DONE THIS IN A WAY TO PUT THIS IN A BRAND NEW 2026 VERSION OF WHAT THESE HOMEOWNERS CAN EXPECT.

AND SO LET ME JUST KIND OF KEEP GOING THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.

NEXT SLIDE. SO AGAIN, WE DESCRIBE THIS AS LUXURY MEETS AFFORDABILITY.

AND WE DO BELIEVE THAT BOTH CAN BE TRUE AT THE SAME TIME.

TO BE ATTAINABLE AND TO BE AFFORDABLE DOES NOT MEAN THAT THESE RESIDENTS AND THESE HOMEOWNERS DON'T GET TO HAVE THE SAME TYPES OF COMMUNITY PIECES THAT ARE TRADITIONALLY IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY AND OTHER PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO THAT'S A VERY KEY PIECE TO US THAT WE'RE VERY PROUD ABOUT, TO BE ABLE TO BRING THAT LEVEL OF LUXURY AND ACCESSIBILITY TO ALL OF OUR HOMEOWNERS. NEXT SLIDE. ALL RIGHT. SO FOR US, THE, THE HOME BUYER PROFILE TYPICALLY LOOKS LIKE THIS. SO AN AVERAGE TOTAL HOUSEHOLD INCOME OF ABOUT $85,000.

OUR COMMUNITIES, THE MINIMUM PRICE APPROXIMATELY 78, $79,000, $80,000 TO A MAXIMUM OF ABOUT $149,000 IS OUR TYPICAL RANGE. AND 95% OF THOSE ARE FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS.

AND ONE OF THE KEY PIECES THAT THAT SETS US APART IS WE ARE SELF FINANCING THE PURCHASE OF THESE HOMES FOR THESE FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS AND SECOND TIME HOME BUYERS.

AND FROM HERE, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO, TO KYLE.

HE'S GOING TO WALK THROUGH THE THE LOS SONIDOS PROJECT, WHICH IS THEIR LONG LASTING ROAD IN DISTRICT EIGHT, SO THAT WE CAN QUICKLY KIND OF GIVE YOU A VISUAL OF WHAT THOSE ARE.

HI. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS KYLE VERLA AND I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR A LONG TIME.

IT'S WE'VE TURNED IT INTO FOUR PHASES. AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT.

PHASE ONE AND TWO ARE CURRENTLY IN CONSTRUCTION, SO WE CAN START WE CAN START WITH THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. PHASE ONE. OH, HERE'S THE MAP. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S ON LASSITER ROAD.

JUST KIND OF SOUTHEAST OF LAWSON IN DISTRICT EIGHT.

PHASE ONE IS THE RED AREA. PHASE TWO IS THE PURPLE 70 ACRE SITE.

PHASE THREE IS GREEN. IT'S 46 ACRES. AND THEN PHASE FOUR IS A COMMERCIAL TRACT THAT'S APPROXIMATELY THREE ACRES.

SO THIS IS IN TOTAL OVER 140 ACRES OF DEVELOPMENT IN DISTRICT EIGHT, BRINGING 855 HOMES, MS TO THE AREA, AS WELL AS A RETAIL CENTER THAT WE PLAN TO HAVE A MEDICAL.

MEDICAL FACILITY AND A SMALL GROCERY STORE, AS WELL AS ANOTHER MULTI-TENANT BUILDING.

TO BE DETERMINED. AND THIS WAS A BIG PART OF OUR PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ZONING CASE ABOUT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

BRINGING THIS THESE ITEMS TO A DISTRICT THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, A MEDICAL DESERT AND A FOOD DESERT IN THIS AREA.

SO WE'LL GET INTO MORE DETAIL HERE IN A SECOND.

SO NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO PHASE ONE IS AN EXISTING COMMUNITY.

IT'S 184 HOMES THAT WE ARE DOING AN INFRASTRUCTURE REBUILD ON AND AMENITY PACKAGE AS WELL.

SO THIS IS A QUICK RENDERING OF OUR AMENITIES WE'RE ADDING.

WE'RE ALSO FULLY UPGRADING THE WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS, THE DRIVEWAYS AND DOING ROAD REPAIRS.

SO THAT'S PART OF OUR PHASE ONE GO TO NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

PHASE TWO IS THE LARGE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.

IT'S 437 HOMES ON 70 ACRES. 11,000 SQUARE FOOT CLUBHOUSE WITH A STATE OF THE ART GYM, HOT YOGA STUDIO,

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IT'S IT'S A CLASS A FACILITY. BUT ON AN AFFORDABLE, ATTAINABLE LEVEL FOR HOUSING.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. PHASE TWO IS JUST ACROSS THE STREET OF THAT.

WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WHICH IS IT'S 46 ACRES AND 234 HOMES.

AND AGAIN, THIS, YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

WE'LL BE HIGHLY AMENITIZED AS WELL WITH COMMUNITY CENTER, SOCCER FIELD, DOG PARKS, PLAYGROUNDS, POOL, BASKETBALL COURT, AND NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

PHASE FOUR IS THE, IS THE RETAIL CENTER THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE MEDICAL AND GROCERY STORE.

THE FIRST PORTION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BE THE MEDICAL CENTER AND THE GROCERY.

THE SECOND PORTION OF THAT WILL BE A MULTI-TENANT DEVELOPMENT.

SO THESE ARE RENDERINGS OF OUR OF OUR PLAN TO DATE.

AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO PUT HOMES ON THE GROUND IN THIS AREA AND BRING SOME, SOME ALSO SOME RETAIL DEVELOPMENT TO HELP THE AREA OUT.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND THIS IS JUST A RENDERING OF THE IT'S ACTUALLY THE PHASE THREE RENDERING OF OUR AMENITY AREA.

SO THE NEXT SLIDES, WE CAN JUST FLIP THROUGH THEM.

THEY'RE JUST PHOTOS OF OUR ACTUAL CURRENT EXISTING PROJECTS.

AND THIS IS THE QUALITY AND THE DETAIL AND THE THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE BUILDING OUT HERE IN DISTRICT EIGHT.

IT'S ACTUALLY AN ENHANCED VERSION OF THIS. SO AS MISS MENDELSOHN MENTIONED, WE WOULD LOVE IF ANYONE'S INTERESTED ON A TOUR, WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE YOU ON A TOUR TO AN EXISTING PROPERTY TO WALK AND FEEL THAT THESE SITES ARE REAL.

THESE AREN'T RENDERINGS. THIS ISN'T SOMETHING WE'RE JUST TELLING YOU.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING. IF YOU CAN FLIP THROUGH THOSE SLIDES, PLEASE, THAT'D BE GREAT.

JUST A FEW SECONDS ON EACH ONE JUST TO GET A TO GET A GOOD LOOK.

SO THESE ARE PHOTOS OF OUR CLUBHOUSE. THE RESIDENTS COME AND USE IT AS A LOUNGE.

THEY CAN RENT IT OUT FOR PARTIES. THEY CAN COME WORK OUT IN THE GYM.

WE HAVE INSTRUCTOR LED CLASSES IN THE GYM. SO RESORT POOLS AND AMENITIES ARE VERY NICE.

AND THEN WE WON ONE NEW THING THAT WE'VE CREATED, THERE'S A TWO STORY UNIT THAT IS REAL NOW AND IT'S ON THE GROUND AND YOU CAN COME VISIT IT AND IT WILL BE IN PHASE THREE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. IT'S A IT'S A MANUFACTURED HOME PLACE ON TOP OF A SITE BUILT GARAGE.

SO YOU HAVE A, A LARGE GARAGE UNDERNEATH YOUR HOME FOR STORAGE AND YOUR CARS, AND THEN YOUR HOME IS ON TOP AND THERE'S A THERE'S A PHOTO OF THAT HERE SOON. YEAH, YOU CAN JUST YOU CAN FLIP THROUGH THESE.

THERE'S A VARIETY OF HOMES. THESE THESE DON'T LOOK LIKE MANUFACTURED HOMES. THESE ARE. ALTHOUGH THEY ARE.

THE QUALITY AND THE ATTENTION TO DETAIL ON THESE DESIGNS HAS CHANGED SO MUCH OVER THE YEARS.

AND SO YEAH, THIS IS THE TWO STOREY UNIT. WE'VE JUST HEARD LOTS OF AMAZING FEEDBACK ON THIS AND PEOPLE COMING INTO OUR DEVELOPMENTS WHEN THEY SEE IT ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, THEY'RE COMING IN ASKING QUESTIONS, WANTING TO GET INTO THEM. SO IT'S REALLY EXCITING. SO WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO SPEAK. GREAT.

THANK YOU. SO THE REASON I BROUGHT THIS AGAIN, THIS IS MANUFACTURED HOUSING AND THERE'S A TRUE REVOLUTION HAPPENING, I THINK, IN MANUFACTURED HOUSING. AND I THINK AS WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABILITY, THIS IS ONE SOLUTION THAT WE CAN PURSUE.

WE OFTEN HEAR, AND MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT YOUR INTEREST IN HAVING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AS OPPOSED TO LARGE MULTIFAMILY COMPLEXES. AND THIS IS A WAY A PERSON CAN LIVE IN A SINGLE FAMILY ENVIRONMENT.

NOW, THE CATCH, WHICH I'M NOT SURE WAS REALLY EXPLAINED, IS THAT THE PERSON OWNS THE HOUSE, BUT WHO OWNS THE LAND. YEAH, IT'S A IT'S A LAND LEASE.

YOU OWN THE HOUSE AND YOU LEASE THE LAND. BUT WITH THAT LAND LEASE, YOUR PROPERTY TAXES ARE PAID, YOUR LAWN IS MOWED, YOU HAVE ALL THE AMENITIES ACCESS.

IT'S LIKE THE HOA FEE. BUT AS OUR COMPANY'S NAME, FIRST STEP HOMES, IT'S THE FIRST STEP INTO HOME OWNERSHIP.

THEY MIGHT THESE FAMILIES, THEY CAN'T GO BY THE $400,000 STARTER HOUSE.

BUT THEIR FIRST STEP TO HOME OWNERSHIP IS THIS MODEL WHERE THEY'RE BUYING THEIR HOUSE AND THEY'RE PAYING A SMALL LAND LEASE ON THE LAND.

BUT THAT IS IMPORTANT TO, TO, TO NOTE THAT. HOW WE HAVE DEVELOPED THE MODEL AND HOW THIS WORKS IS EXACTLY HOW YOU DESCRIBED.

SO THE HOME OWNER OWNS THE ACTUAL HOUSE ITSELF, AND THEN WE'LL PAY A LEASE FOR THE PROPERTY ON WHICH THAT HOME SITS.

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SO IN THESE CASES, IF, IF A HOMEOWNER WANTS TO MOVE, THAT HOUSE IS THEN PUT UP BACK FOR SALE.

AND THEN WHATEVER EQUITY THEY'VE BUILT UP IS THEN THEIRS TO TAKE AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT STEP.

WE BELIEVE THAT AS YOU INDICATED, IT'S NOT THE ANSWER TO ATTAINABLE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

HOWEVER, WE DO BELIEVE IT TO BE AN ANSWER TO THAT AS A WAY TO MIX IN WITH, WITH, WITH OTHER PIECES TO CERTAINLY DO THAT.

BUT THE OTHER KEY PIECE IS, IS THAT BY HAVING OUR GROUP MAINTAIN OWNERSHIP OF THE THE ACTUAL DIRT AND THE LAND ITSELF, IT DOES LOWER THAT COST OF ENTRY FOR SOMEBODY TO BUY A HOME SUCH AS THIS.

ABSOLUTELY. SO WHEN SOMEBODY GOES TO SELL WHAT'S YOUR EXPERIENCE IN TERMS OF ARE THEY MAKING MONEY OFF OF THIS OR ARE THEY JUST RECOUPING WHAT THEY PUT IN? WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN SO FAR? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, KIND OF LIKE WILL SAID, WHEN YOU LEAVE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, YOU MIGHT GET YOUR DEPOSIT BACK.

SO THE WAY WE BUY THESE HOMES, WE BUY SUCH A LARGE VOLUME, WE GET THEM AT, AT DIRECT PRICING AND WE SELL IT TO THE RESIDENT AT THE DIRECT PRICING.

SO IF THEY WERE TO GO BUY THAT SAME HOUSE AT A RETAILER, IT'S GOING TO BE 30% MORE FOR THAT SAME EXACT HOUSE.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE PEOPLE CALLING US SAYING THEY WANT TO BUY A HOUSE FROM US AND THEN MOVE IT SOMEWHERE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET IT THIS CHEAP AT ANY OTHER RETAILER.

SO THEY, THEY COME IN WITH INSTANT EQUITY, IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE THAT SAME HOUSE AT THE FACTORY COSTS 30% MORE.

SO THEY'RE GETTING IN THE DOOR. THEY HAVE INSTANT EQUITY. AND THEN IF YOU KNOW ANY PAYMENTS THEY'RE MAKING, THEY'RE BUILDING THAT UP. AND AGAIN, WHEN YOU DO AN APPRAISAL OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, IT'S BASED ON YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOUR COMMUNITY.

IT'S BASED ON THE HOMES AROUND YOU. WHEN THOSE HOMES ARE IN A WELL-MAINTAINED ENVIRONMENT, CLASS A AMENITIES, THAT HOME IS WORTH MORE THAN IF IT WAS IN A PARKING LOT FOR SALE.

AND THAT'S THAT'S TRUE TO DATE. WHEN RESIDENTS GO TO SELL AND THEN THE HOMES DO NOT MOVE OUT.

THAT'S SOMETHING I FORGOT TO SAY TOO, IS THE THE ZONING CODE FOR MANUFACTURED HOUSING ALLOWS A TRAILER PARK.

AND WE ARE WE ARE NOT A TRAILER PARK. WE DON'T WANT TO BE A TRAILER PARK.

WE WE WANT TO BE AS FAR AWAY FROM THAT AS POSSIBLE.

THIS IS NOT A PULL IN, PULL OUT. IT'S NOT AN RV STYLE.

IT'S NOT A TRANSIENT STYLE. WE PURCHASED THE HOMES, WE SET THE HOMES, AND THEN WE SELL THEM TO RESIDENTS.

THERE IS NO. I'VE GOT A TRAILER. CAN I PULL IT IN? THAT'S THAT'S NOT HOW WE OPERATE. SO THAT'S WHERE IT'S LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION.

BUT BECAUSE THEIR HUD LABELED UNITS, IT FALLS UNDER THE MANUFACTURED HOUSING ZONING ORDINANCE. SO JUST ONE DECIPHERING POINT.

WELL, AND THAT I THINK WILL PROBABLY BE AN EVOLVING ISSUE EVEN AT THE STATE LEVEL AS MANUFACTURED HOUSING HAS PROGRESSED.

ARE YOU PURCHASING HOMES BACK FROM FROM FOLKS OR ARE THEY SELLING THEM ON THE OPEN MARKET? WE HAVE FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL. SO SOMETIMES PEOPLE WILL TRY TO SELL OR THEY COME TO US AND WE CAN BUY IT BACK FROM THEM.

OKAY, GREAT COMMITTEE WHO HAS QUESTIONS. OKAY, WELL, LET'S GO THIS WAY FIRST.

COUNCILMEMBER WILLIS, SO YOU MENTIONED THREE DECADES OF REAL ESTATE EXPERIENCE, BUT HOW LONG I SEE A LIST OF DEVELOPMENTS.

SO HOW LONG HAVE THESE BEEN IN OR WHEN WAS THE FIRST ONE THAT YOU DID? SO THE FIRST ONE WITH DAVE, WHO'S OUR OWNER, HE DID IN THE LATE 90S.

OH, OKAY. AND THAT WE HAD ANOTHER SLIDE WITH EVERY PROPERTY WE'VE EVER DONE.

WE TOOK IT OUT TO TRY TO SAVE SOME TIME. WELL, OKAY, SO SO THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE, SO YOU'VE BEEN PERFECTING IT. I MEAN, I LOVE SEEING A CREATIVE SOLUTION TO HELP DRIVE DOWN THIS COST WHEN WE HAVE GOT SUCH A BIG ISSUE AROUND HOUSING.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT. I MEAN, IT'S THE SINGLE FAMILY MODEL THAT WE JUST HAVE HAS GOTTEN AWAY.

IT'S BECOME MORE ELUSIVE JUST BECAUSE DALLAS DIRT IS EXPENSIVE.

AND GOSH, I AM SO JEALOUS OF THE TOPOGRAPHY IN DISTRICT EIGHT AND THREE WITH THE GARDEN SPOT OF DALLAS.

YOUR, YOUR THEME THAT YOU'VE GOT GOING IS REALLY AMAZING.

AND I, I, I LOVE SEEING THE, THE IMAGES AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS ON, ON SITE.

YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST WAS LOOKING AT THIS AND YOU HEAR MANUFACTURED HOUSING, I MEAN, IT HAS THIS KIND OF CLOUD AROUND IT, BUT INDEED, DFW AIRPORT HAS ROLLED IN TERMINAL F, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE A GLOBAL IMPACT AND SIGNIFICANCE THAT USED COST CUTTING OR COST SAVING MEASURES FROM ASSEMBLING OFF SITE.

SO I JUST THINK THIS IS A MODEL THAT PEOPLE NEED TO MAYBE UPDATE A CRITIQUE ON, BECAUSE I JUST SEE THAT THIS WOULD HOLD SUCH PROMISE.

SO I THANK YOU FOR FOR SHARING THIS PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. GRACEY. YEAH.

YEAH, THIS IS AN INTERESTING MODEL AND I DO APPRECIATE THE IDEA OF THE ENTRY POINT TO HOME OWNERSHIP ON THIS.

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THIS SITE KIND OF FELL INTO OUR LAP OR YEARS AGO WHEN DAVE.

HE PURCHASED THIS SITE A LONG TIME AGO, BEFORE I WAS EVEN WITH THE COMPANY. HE OWNED THE EXISTING PROPERTIES IN FRONT AND HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUY THE BACK.

AND WE REALLY, OUR COMPANY HAS, HAS GROWN WITH THIS NEW MODEL OF THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS.

IT USED TO BE THE OLD, YOU KNOW, YOU BUY THE OLD ONE, YOU FIX IT UP, YOU MAKE IT BETTER, YOU HAD THE AMENITIES, YOU FIX THE INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THEN THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT MODEL IS WHAT IS, IS REALLY MAKING A DIFFERENCE.

AND SO THE SIZE OF THE, THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE THE BIGGEST PROJECT WE'VE DONE TO DATE.

WE HAVE ONE IN OAK POINT, TEXAS THAT IS 422 UNITS AND THIS ONE'S 437 FOR, FOR THE PHASE TWO.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE MULTI PHASE MAKES IT THAT MUCH BIGGER.

SO THIS IS ON THE BIGGER SIDE OF THEM. I WOULD SAY BETWEEN 40 AND 70 ACRES IS OUR GO TO.

OKAY. SO THIS IS 70. YEAH. AND YOU KNOW, A POINT TO THAT IS, IS THAT CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, FROM THE REAL ESTATE PERSPECTIVE, WHEN WE GO OUT AND LOOK FOR SITES ACROSS NORTH TEXAS OR IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, WHEREVER THEY MAY BE. WE'RE LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF FACTORS.

CERTAINLY PRICE, YOU KNOW, PRICE PER ACRE, PRICE PER FOOT IS CERTAINLY OBVIOUSLY A KEY DETERMINANT OF THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, ACCESS TO UTILITIES. WHAT IS THE GENERAL NEIGHBORHOOD LOOK LIKE? DOES THE PRODUCT WORK AND DOES IT FIT? NOW, WHAT I WOULD SAY THOUGH, AND YOU KNOW, TO, TO, TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS IS, IS THAT THIS PRODUCT AND, AND WE CAN EVIDENCE THIS BY THE ONE THERE IN OAK POINT THERE IN DENTON COUNTY THERE, THESE HOMES CAN SIT AND DO SIT AND DO LIVE IN A COMMUNITY RIGHT NEXT TO HOUSES AND HOMES THAT ARE $500,000, $900,000 RIGHT NEXT DOOR. AND INITIALLY, YOU WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE A LOT OF THE NIMBY CROWD COMING UP AND SAYING, WELL, THIS IS GOING TO HURT MY PROPERTY VALUE. THIS IS NOT WHAT I WANT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IN THAT PARTICULAR EXAMPLE, THAT HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE. AND I'M NOT THAT'S NOT THE DIRECTION THAT I'M GOING.

JUST TO BE. NO, NO, I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THAT IT FITS WELL ACROSS THE CITY IN PLACES THAT MOST PEOPLE MIGHT NOT THINK IT WOULD.

BUT WE'VE SEEN THAT IT CAN FIT IN A LOT OF PLACES AND IN ACREAGE SIZES THAT CAN ALSO FIT IN VARIOUS PARTS OF THE CITY TO ALSO HELP REVITALIZE AND REDEVELOP IN THOSE SMALLER PROPERTY SIZES. AS KHALID MENTIONED, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, 200 ACRES. IT CERTAINLY CAN BE A SMALLER TRACT WHERE IT COULD FIT INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD.

YES, SIR. BECAUSE AND I'M A PROPONENT BECAUSE THE HOME OWNERSHIP, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WITH THE REST OF TODAY'S CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HOME OWNERSHIP IS A PRIORITY FOR MANY IN MY DISTRICT.

BUT NOW THAT WE'RE GETTING THIS TO THIS POINT WHERE THIS OPPORTUNITY OF HOME OWNERSHIP, THIS IS AN ENTRY POINT, BUT I DON'T WANT THIS TO BECOME AN INFLUX OF THE ENTRY POINT.

AND NOW WE HAVE OUR ENTRY POINTS. MY DISTRICT WANTS ENTRY POINTS PLUS THE 500, 600, $700,000 HOME.

SO THAT'S WHY I WANT TO BE JUST AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.

THIS IS A GREAT ENTRY POINT, BUT WE DON'T WANT IT TO BECOME THE ENTRY POINT, LIKE ALL OF OUR LOW INCOME HOUSING.

VERY. THAT'S VERY ACCURATE. YES. YEAH. I THINK THE MAIN DRIVER, LIKE BILL WAS SAYING, IS THE LAND COST BECAUSE ULTIMATELY IF IT RIGHT, ALL THE PRICE GOES IN TO THE END. AND IF IT'S NOT AFFORDABLE, THEN IT'S NOT AFFORDABLE. SO SURE, WE THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIG PART OF OUR DEAL. AND WE DO HAVE SOME OTHER PROPERTIES WE'RE WORKING ON THAT ARE 12 ACRES AND 18 ACRES.

THEY'RE KIND OF SMALLER SITES, RIGHT? I THINK OUR BREAD AND BUTTER HAS BEEN THESE LARGE, THESE LARGE ONES LIKE THIS.

FAIR ENOUGH. AND THEN WHAT ABOUT THE DURABILITY OF THESE? AND AGAIN, I DON'T I DON'T WANT US TO STAY ON THAT.

I HEARD YOU, I EMPHASIZED THAT, BUT AND I CAN APPRECIATE THAT, BUT TALK ABOUT JUST THE DURABILITY OF THESE EVEN BEING ON TOP OF THE GARAGE IN, IN THE WIND. WE JUST HAD AN EXPERIENCE. CAN YOU JUST TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT? YEAH. THEY'RE, I MEAN, THEY'RE BUILT TO THE HUD HUD CODE FOR HOUSING AND THEY ARE SUPER DURABLE.

AND THE WAY WE WERE TOLD IS THE HOUSE GOES THROUGH AN EARTHQUAKE AND A HURRICANE GOING FROM THE FACTORY TO THE SITE AND ITS SHEETROCK WALLS ON THE INSIDE.

I MEAN, THERE MIGHT BE A CRACK HERE, CRACK HERE, BUT I MEAN, ANY SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE THAT'S BRAND NEW HAS A CRACK HERE AND A CRACK HERE THAT YOU GOT, YOU GOT TO FIX. AND SO THEY'RE SUPER DURABLE.

THEY'RE SET TO STATE STANDARDS ON THE GROUND, THE ONES THAT WE PUT ON THE TWO STORY ARE STRUCTURALLY ENGINEERED TO ABOVE AND BEYOND SINGLE FAMILY DESIGN CRITERIA BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A COMBINATION OF HUD CODE AND SITE BUILT CODE.

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I THINK IT'S WAY OVERBUILT, BUT WE WANT TO BE EXTRA SECURE IN THAT.

AND YEAH, AND THE OTHER POINT IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ATTAIN EFFICIENCIES BY HAVING THEM BEING CONSTRUCTED OFF SITE, BUT THEY'RE BUILT TO THE SAME STANDARDS, IF NOT HIGHER STANDARDS THAN TRADITIONAL STICKS AND BRICKS, SINGLE FAMILY HOME DEVELOPMENTS ARE AS WELL. SAME MATERIALS, SAME INSULATION, IF NOT BETTER.

SO WE'RE SEEING DURABILITY IS EQUAL THAT OF TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY.

AND THEN WITH THIS KIND OF NEW EVOLUTION OF, OF THESE, THESE TYPE OF HOMES, HOW QUICKLY DO YOU SEE THE OPTIONS FOR STYLES AND THE DIFFERENT FACADES AND THE ELEVATIONS RATHER HOW, HOW QUICKLY DO YOU SEE THAT EVOLVING IN THIS INDUSTRY SO THAT THEY BECOME MORE OPTIONS? AND THEN LIKE, THERE GOES ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. THERE'S ANOTHER ONE OVER THERE. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? HOW, HOW QUICKLY DO YOU SEE THE OPTIONS FOR THE HOUSING TYPES TO, TO EVOLVE? I THINK IT'S EVOLVING AS WE SPEAK.

THE THE INDUSTRY, ONCE THAT'S A NATURAL WAY OF LIFE IS PEOPLE WANT TO DO AS LEAST AS POSSIBLE.

AND WITH OUR DEVELOPMENTS, WE ARE PUSHING THE MANUFACTURERS TO SAY, HEY, WE NEED THIS.

WE NEED A DIFFERENT FACADE. WE NEED A NEW ENTRYWAY, WE NEED A DIFFERENT ROOM LAYOUT AND, AND THEY'RE COMING UP WITH REALLY CREATIVE OPTIONS.

BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT EVERY HOUSE TO LOOK THE SAME. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY IN OUR PLAN DEVELOPMENT WE PUT TOGETHER IN DISTRICT EIGHT.

I FIGURED THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE EVERY, YOU CAN'T HAVE THE SAME HOME EVERY THREE OR ACROSS THE STREET.

YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO HAVE A DIFFERENT LOOK. AND SO OH, IT'S DEFINITELY HAPPENING.

AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A WIDE VARIETY OF OPTIONS OUT THERE.

AND, AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE KIND OF GOES WITH WHAT DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM GAY DONNELL WILLIS SAID.

AND THAT'S, WE SEE IT HAPPENING IN OTHER INDUSTRIES WITH THE FIRE STATION.

THEY AT LOVE FIELD. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S ALSO EVOLVING INTO REGULAR STANDARDS OF CONSTRUCTION, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, OR IS THIS LIKE THE, THE HOME ITSELF? OR FROM A HOUSING PERSPECTIVE, FROM AN APARTMENT PERSPECTIVE, FROM A BUILDING PERSPECTIVE? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S THAT'S EVOLVING BEYOND JUST HOUSING? I GUESS. SORRY, I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION OF LIKE A WAY TO MASS PRODUCE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS OR IN A CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY, I GUESS BECAUSE IS, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT JUST IS JUST A SOLUTION FOR FIRST TIME HOME BUYING? OR WILL THIS, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WILL BECOME STANDARDS AS THEY'RE LOOKING AT BUILDING DOWNTOWN AS THEY BUILD APARTMENTS? IS THIS SOMETHING GOING TO BECOME A NEW STANDARD OF BUILDING? CERTAINLY FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT, YES, CERTAINLY FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT, WE WE SEE, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY THAT, YOU KNOW, PREFABRICATION, OFF SITE CONSTRUCTION IS CERTAINLY THE, THE WAY OF THE FUTURE IN TERMS OF, OF HOW TO SCALE AND BUILD THESE COMMUNITIES UP AT BOTH LARGE AND TALL, TALL AND WIDE, MEANING THAT THEY COULD BE RESIDENTIAL HOMES, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS, INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENTS, OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, HIGH RISE DEVELOPMENTS.

CERTAINLY, I'VE SEEN BEING MANUFACTURED OFF SITE AND THEN MOVED INTO PLACE.

AND WHAT THAT DOES, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, LOWERS THE COSTS, INCREASE EFFICIENCIES, BUT ALSO, WHICH IS IMPORTANT TO TO NOTE, IT SHORTENS THAT TIME HORIZON AS WELL.

SO THAT THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS CERTAINLY LIKE OURS AND OTHERS, WE CAN GET THOSE UP AND GOING RELATIVELY QUICKLY AS OPPOSED TO A TRADITIONAL, WHAT I CALL THE STICKS AND BRICKS DEVELOPMENT, BE THAT RESIDENTIAL OR A COMMERCIAL SPACE.

AND SO THEY, THEY, THESE ARE BEING USED FOR MULTIFAMILY, NOT OUR UNITS SPECIFICALLY, BUT I THINK THERE ARE WAYS TO DO, YOU KNOW, FACTORY CONSTRUCTION FOR MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S, THAT'S NOT OUR SPECIALTY, BUT THANK YOU.

YEAH. AND I'LL JUST POINT OUT, AS WE SEE MORE ROBOTS IN MANUFACTURING, WE'RE GOING TO SEE ROBOTS BUILDING HOUSES AND THEN HAVE THEM MOVED, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE SEE TODAY WITH WORKERS GOING TO THE SITE.

SO THIS IS JUST PART OF THE EVOLUTION OF OR REVOLUTION REALLY THAT'S HAPPENING IN MANY INDUSTRIES, I THINK. NOPE. COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M NOT, I DON'T CARE.

THANK YOU, CHAIR FOR RECOGNIZING ME. AND I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THIS BEFORE.

AND I KNOW THAT MY COLLEAGUE FROM DISTRICT EIGHT HAS, HAS, HAS KIND OF GIVEN ME A HEADS UP ON THE PROJECT.

AND I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID.

I DO SEE THE, THIS AUTOMATED HOUSING CONSTRUCTION, WHETHER IT'S MODULAR OR SOME, YOU KNOW,

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AND I LOVE SEEING OPPORTUNITIES FOR NEW HOME OWNERSHIP COME IN VARIOUS FORMS. NOT EVERYBODY CAN CAN AFFORD TO BUY. CERTAINLY IN MY DISTRICT ANYMORE, LIKE GETTING INTO YOUR FIRST HOME, LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE STARTING AT 380 TO 400,000 ANYWHERE IN MY DISTRICT.

AND BEING ABLE TO COME IN AT A LOWER PRICE POINT IS REALLY GOING TO BE THE WAY IT'S DONE FOR A LOT OF FAMILIES.

SO IF WE WANT TO EMBRACE HOMEOWNERSHIP, LIKE WE ALL SAY WE DO AS A COUNCIL WE'VE GOT TO BE OPEN TO THESE, THESE TYPES OF YOU KNOW, NEW, NEW DEVELOPMENTS.

SO THANK YOU FOR, FOR BRINGING THIS OPPORTUNITY TO US.

AND THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANKS. COUNCIL MEMBER.

BAZALDUA. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

SO I WANT TO ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FINANCING MECHANISM SPECIFICALLY.

ARE YOU ALL A FOR PROFIT? YES, YES. CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME A WHERE Y'ALL'S FUNDING COMES FROM? AND B, WHAT HOW HOW IS THIS PROFITABLE? THE THE PROFIT IS REALLY MADE ON THE ON THE SITE RENT FOR THE, THE, THE LAND LEASE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE COMMUNITY.

BUT IT, SO IT'S REALLY ABOUT LAND AS FAR AS THE BUSINESS MODEL GOES AND HOW YOU ALL ARE ABLE TO PENCIL OUT.

WE'RE NOT MAKING MONEY ON THE HOME WHEN WE SELL THE HOME. IT'S A.

WELL, I, I GATHERED THAT IF YOU'RE DOING IT AT COST, BUT YOU WOULDN'T BE IN BUSINESS AS A FOR PROFIT IF YOU'RE NOT MAKING MONEY, PERIOD. RIGHT. SO I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT WITH THE GROUND LEASE SITUATION HOW.

WHERE'S THE TRUE EQUITY? IT'S FOR A FIRST TIME HOME BUYER TO NOT OWN THE GROUND UNDERNEATH THEM.

AND THEN ALSO WHAT SITUATIONS HAVE YOU EXPERIENCED WITH THESE POTENTIAL BUYERS AND GETTING TRADITIONAL MORTGAGES AND FINANCING. THE EQUITY COMES IN, I MEAN, INTO THE HOUSE AND THEY COME IN AGAIN.

THEY PURCHASE THAT HOUSE IF IT'S A $100,000 HOME.

IT'S 130 AT THE FACTORY. AND SO THAT GOING RATE FOR THAT HOUSE IS 130, BUT THEY'RE IN IT FOR 100.

SO THAT'S THEIR THAT'S THEIR NATURAL EQUITY. AND THEN THEY YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PAYING IT DOWN.

SURE. BUT THE APPRECIATION USUALLY COMES FROM THE VALUE OF THE LAND.

SO THE STRUCTURE ITSELF YOU OWN OVER TIME WITH AGING.

I DON'T KNOW THAT VALUE IS GOING TO APPRECIATE IF YOU HAVE NO EQUITY IN THE LAND UNDERNEATH.

IF WE'RE PAYING RENT TO THE LANDOWNER, IT'S STILL A, IT'S STILL A LANDLORD TENANT SITUATION.

AND IN THE EXAMPLE THAT YOU GAVE THAT PEOPLE CAN GET A CHEAPER AT COST HOME, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO GO AND FIGURE OUT TRADITIONAL FINANCING TO GET LAND.

AND IN THE CASE THAT THEY WERE TO MOVE A PRODUCT LIKE YOU, YOU MENTIONED WHAT'S THE COST OF THAT? CAN YOU CAN YOU GIVE ME A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT THAT WOULD BE? I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF THE MODEL ITSELF.

AND IF I WANTED TO GO INTO THIS I WOULD I'VE UNDERSTOOD THAT THESE TYPES OF DEALS ARE USUALLY NOT OPEN TO, TO TRADITIONAL FINANCING.

LENDERS ARE USUALLY NOT A PART OF THE EQUATION, WHICH MEANS YOU ALL ARE PROBABLY SELF-FINANCING.

THAT'S CORRECT. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT A PART OF THE PROFITABILITY OR THE MAJORITY OF YOUR PROFITABILITY IS THE LAND.

HOWEVER, WHAT INTEREST RATES ARE YOU ALL OFFERING AND WHAT WOULD YOU SAY YOU ALL CAN ITEMIZE AS YOUR REVENUE FOR INTEREST ON THESE FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS? SO THE INTEREST RATE TO THEM IS IT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN A NORMAL SINGLE FAMILY INTEREST RATE.

AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON IS THERE'S NO BLACK MARKET FOR WHAT'S CALLED CHATTEL MORTGAGES.

THESE HOMES ARE CHATTEL MORTGAGE BECAUSE IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY. IT'S NOT A REAL ESTATE.

YOU'RE NOT PURCHASING THE REAL ESTATE, RIGHT.

SO IT'S IT'S CHATTEL. SO THEY'RE A LITTLE HIGHER BECAUSE THERE'S NO BLACK MARKET TO BUY THOSE AND TRADE THOSE.

YOU KNOW, WELLS FARGO CHASE, THEY TRADE THEY TRADE MORTGAGES ALL DAY EVERY DAY.

THE MANUFACTURER HAS AN INDUSTRY DOES NOT HAVE THAT AS A AS A BACKSTOP.

SO THE RATES ARE A LITTLE HIGHER. WE HAVE A FEW KEY RELATIONSHIPS THAT WE'VE MADE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN PURCHASING THESE ON THE BACK END.

AND SO THAT'S HOW WE KIND OF RECYCLE. WE, WE LEND A TRANCHE AND THEN WE RECYCLE IT.

WE, WE, WE SELL THOSE MORTGAGES AND THEN WE, WE CAN MAKE MORE NEW MORTGAGES.

DO YOU HAVE ANY DATA TO, TO, TO JUST OUTLINE OR SUPPORT THE SUSTAINABILITY, FINANCIAL SUSTAINABILITY OF THOSE THAT HAVE PURCHASED

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I'M REALLY CONCERNED, QUITE FRANKLY. SPECIFICALLY, WHEN WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS, THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS PUT THEM INTO A SOMEWHAT PREDATORY TYPE OF SITUATION.

THIS IS KIND OF A RENT TO OWN SITUATION. AND IN THAT MODEL, THERE'S ALMOST NO WAY FOR YOU ALL TO MAKE MONEY UNLESS YOU'RE CHARGING THEM A PREMIUM PRICE THAT THEY NORMALLY WOULD NOT GET IN A NORMAL FINANCING SITUATION.

AND WHEN WE NORMALLY TALK TO DEVELOPERS WHO ARE TRYING TO ENTICE TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT'S IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT THEIR NUMBERS BEING ABLE TO PENCIL OUT.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO MAKE MONEY, THAT'S THAT'S A PART OF BEING IN BUSINESS.

HOWEVER, THOSE TRADITIONAL DEVELOPERS DON'T HAVE THE OPTION OF A SUSTAINABLE SOURCE OF REVENUE FROM THIS INTEREST RATE THAT YOU ALL ARE CHARGING AT A HIGHER PREMIUM. IN ADDITION TO ESSENTIALLY HAVING THE THE TRUE EQUITY IN WHAT A HOME BUYER IS EXPECTED TO HAVE.

IF I ONLY OWNED THE, THE, THE, THE STRUCTURE ON MY LAND.

MY WIFE AND I WOULDN'T HAVE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE MADE MONEY SINCE WE'VE HAD THIS HOUSE.

WE HAVE SEEN THE, THE HOME VALUES INCREASE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.

AND THEN OUR SALES TEAM HAS THAT DATA. SO THE PRODUCT THEMSELVES, YOU BELIEVE TO HAVE APPRECIATED IT MIGHT NOT BE AT THE SAME RATE AS REAL ESTATE.

BUT AGAIN, WHEN THAT HOUSE IS IN A CLASS, A COMMUNITY WITH CLASS A AMENITIES AND MAINTAIN MAINTENANCE THAT COMES WITH THAT, THAT HOUSE NATURALLY HAS A HIGHER VALUE THAN THE SAME MODEL IN A PARKING LOT.

AND SO YOU CAN PULL THE, YOU KNOW, KELLEY BLUE BOOK VALUE OF THAT HOUSE.

AND IT MIGHT SAY ONE THING, BUT BECAUSE OF WHERE IT IS AND HOW IT'S SET UP AND EVERYTHING THAT COMES WITH.

WELL, I'M GLAD THAT YOU BROUGHT UP KELLEY BLUE BOOK BECAUSE AS SOON AS THE SALE IS MADE, THERE'S AN IMMEDIATE DEPRECIATION, RIGHT? JUST JUST AS THERE WOULD BE WITH A VEHICLE.

SO I'M FINDING IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN JUST OWN THE STRUCTURE AND THAT OVER TIME IT'S GOING TO I MEAN, THERE'S GOING TO BE MAINTENANCE THAT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED. THERE'S GOING TO BE JUST NORMAL WEAR AND TEAR. I DON'T BELIEVE THE STRUCTURE ITSELF IS AT ALL.

WHAT IS INCREASING THE VALUE? IT'S THE LAND. HOW MANY OF THESE SITES HAVE YOU SOLD? LIKE INDIVIDUAL SITES OR THE FULL DEVELOPMENT? BOTH. WELL THE, THE SITES OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T SELL THEM INDIVIDUALLY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PLATTED INDIVIDUALLY, BUT DEVELOPMENTS. YEAH. WE'VE DONE DEVELOPMENTS AND THEN AND THEN SOLD THEM. SO THAT'S ANOTHER BIG CONCERN OF MINE BECAUSE IF THE, IF THE, THE PROFITABILITY FOR YOU ALL'S BUSINESS MODEL IS THE LAND THAT IS OWNED.

WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS WHO, WHO HAS QUITE FRANKLY, PUT A LOT OF TRUST IN THE MODEL AND IS WILLING TO EVEN PAY A PREMIUM PRICE TO GET IT AND THEN IT'S SOLD. WHAT HAPPENS TO THEIR LEASE AGREEMENTS? WHAT HAPPENS TO THE THE FINANCING MECHANISMS? HOW DOES THAT LEAVE THE POTENTIAL? I MEAN, THE FIRST TIME HOME BUYER THAT WE THAT THIS WAS MEANT TO HELP.

I MEAN, THERE'S A JUST LIKE US BUILDING IT. THERE'S A LARGE INSTITUTIONAL LOAN ON THE PROPERTY TO CONSTRUCT IT.

AND IF SOMEBODY CAME IN TO PURCHASE IT, THERE WOULD BE A LARGER INSTITUTIONAL LOAN WITH, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING DETAILED OF ALL THE ALL THE THINGS YOU NEED TO MAINTAIN IT AND, AND THE RENTS AND ALL THAT STUFF.

SO I AM SPEAKING A LITTLE OUT OF MY AREA. I'M THE DEVELOPMENT GUY, SO I'M NOT SPEAKING SUPER WELL TO THIS, I APOLOGIZE. NO, IT'S FINE. I CAN I CAN GET YOU, WE CAN GET YOU THESE ANSWERS.

WE HAVE A WHOLE TEAM. I WOULD LOVE MORE DATA IF YOU CAN JUST SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE FINANCING PIECES.

YEAH. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, YOU KNOW, AND THESE ARE ALL VERY FAIR QUESTIONS AS WELL.

YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF TAKING A HARD LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND, AND WHY AND HOW.

AND I GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL STATEMENT, IT'S IT'S NOT SO WE'RE NOT THE TOTAL ANSWER, BUT AN ANSWER TO A BROADER PROBLEM.

AND TO, TO KYLE'S POINT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE SEEING THESE APPRECIATIONS IN THE HOMES YEAR OVER YEAR.

ARE THEY THE SAME AS A TRADITIONAL STICKS AND BRICKS? NO. AND IT IS, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE THAT.

WE DO FIND OURSELVES IN THE MIDDLE BETWEEN TWO WORLDS AND A HYBRID, IF YOU WILL, TO, TO GET AND REALLY, AGAIN, OUR MISSION. CERTAINLY THIS IS A FOR PROFIT ENTITY, NO DOUBT.

BUT OUR MISSION BEHIND THE SCENES AND OUR BELIEF SYSTEM IS, IS THAT WE DO WANT OUR HOMEOWNERS TO BE ABLE TO THEN TRANSITION FROM THESE COMMUNITIES ONTO A TRADITIONAL MODEL AS WELL.

AND RATHER THAN THEM JUST GIVE MONEY AWAY TO A MULTIFAMILY HOME DEVELOPER TO JUST PURELY RENT IT OUT WE WOULD RATHER THEM

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SO WE DO FIND OURSELVES SITTING IN THE MIDDLE, BUT IN FULL TRANSPARENCY. WE'RE HAPPY TO, TO, TO GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION AS TO WHAT THE NUMBERS DO LOOK LIKE, WHAT, WHAT THE PAYMENTS DO LOOK LIKE IN A, IN AN EXAMPLE SITUATION, AND ALSO HISTORICAL DATA AS TO WHAT HAS BEEN THAT APPRECIATION NUMBER AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ACROSS OUR COMMUNITIES.

THANK YOU. I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. I JUST MADAM CHAIR, JUST WANTED I DO APPRECIATE THAT THE LEARNING DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, TOOLS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND RESOURCES. I JUST, I THINK THAT AS FAR AS THE CITY IS CONCERNED IS WHENEVER IT COMES TO FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS AND THE DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES WE WANT TO PROVIDE, I REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COGNIZANT OF NOT PUTTING THEM IN A POSITION TO BE OVERHEAD IN FINANCING. AND I THINK THAT THIS IS IT'S STEPPING ON THAT A LITTLE BIT.

AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO DIG MORE INTO THE DATA TO TO HAVE.

ONE THING I'D LIKE TO REMIND YOU, OF COURSE, IS THAT WE SET UP THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST, WHICH IS A NONPROFIT VERSION OF THE SAME THING, WHERE THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST HOLDS THE LAND AND THE HOMEOWNER IS DEALING WITH THE HOME AND PAYING INTO THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST FOR THE LAND.

SO THIS IS REALLY A FOR PROFIT MODEL. I THINK THAT IS SIMILAR, EXCEPT ALSO THERE'S THE DIFFERENCE OF WHETHER IT'S A TRADITIONAL BUILD OR A MANUFACTURED. IT'S EXACTLY WHY I THINK WE NEEDED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION SO THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT IS ACTUALLY ALREADY BEING BUILT IN DALLAS.

AND OF THE THINGS I HEARD YOU SAY, AND AGAIN, I LET THIS GO ON A LONG TIME BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE ASKING GOOD QUESTIONS.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE IMPORTANT THINGS TO GET TO.

SO I'D LIKE TO END YOUR TIME. YES. HOWEVER YOU SHOULD GO VIEW IT BECAUSE WHAT I THINK YOU'RE EQUATING IT TO IS TRADITIONAL.

LIKE SHOULD SOMEONE GO WITH A TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY VERSUS THIS MODEL? BUT THE REALITY WITH AN 85,000 MEDIAN INCOME FOR THAT HOUSEHOLD, THE DIFFERENCE IS ACTUALLY, WOULD THEY LIKE TO HAVE THIS SORT OF SINGLE FAMILY, ALBEIT NOT OWNING THE LAND MODEL OR BEING AN APARTMENT? AND I KNOW THAT WHEN I VIEWED THE PROPERTY, YOU COULD SEE YOUNG FAMILIES.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS INTENTIONAL THAT I WAS THERE WHEN THE SCHOOL BUS WAS ARRIVING AT THE END OF THE SCHOOL DAY.

BUT THERE'S A LOT OF KIDS WHO ARE NOW PLAYING IN A PARK AND THE MOMS THAT ARE MEETING, AND IT'S A VERY NICE FAMILY ENVIRONMENT THAT IS HIGHLY MANICURED WITH THE, THE LANDSCAPE. THERE'S NO TRASH.

IT'S SAFE FOR THE KIDS TO ROAM AROUND. REMINISCENT OF A TIME WE DON'T HAVE TODAY.

AND TO THE POINT, THERE ARE MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS SURROUNDING THE AREA.

SO IT'S AN OPTION. I DON'T THINK IT IS INTENDED TO COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY POINT, IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE ALL OVER DALLAS, BUT NEITHER ARE LOW INCOME APARTMENTS. AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY STARTING TO BE IN THE MIX.

WE GOT ONE BUT HAS OTHER POSSIBILITIES SO THAT PEOPLE CAN CHOOSE NOT TO LIVE IN MULTIFAMILY.

IF THEY EVEN PROCEED. THERE MAY BE OTHERS. IT MAY BE THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST GETS GOING MORE WHEN THEY SEE THAT THIS MARKET IS THERE.

IT'S JUST SOMETHING I THINK WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF AS ANOTHER OPTION BETWEEN WOW, WE'VE GOT VERY EXPENSIVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR APARTMENTS.

THERE ARE THINGS IN THE MIDDLE. AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE OTHER IDEAS OF THINGS THAT YOU WANT ME TO BRING, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. AND BACK TO THE EARLIER CONVERSATION AFTER EIGHT TO EDUCATE IS ON MY LIST TO COME.

SO OKAY WITH THAT. COUNCIL MEMBER ROTH, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR FOR LETTING ME COME TO THE MEETING AND TO ASK A QUESTION.

WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THE PROCESS OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS OF REDOING OUR ZONING, PERMITTING BUILDING ORDINANCE CODES.

AND I'M NEEDING TO BE EDUCATED A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT'S THE CLASSIFICATION DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CHATTEL SITUATION VERSUS A, AN ACTUAL, AN ACTUAL BUILDING? UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCE WOULD THIS, COULD A MANUFACTURED STRUCTURE BE CLASSIFIED AS A NON, AS A NON CHATTEL SITUATION, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR TRADITIONAL FINANCING, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR AN ACTUAL OPPORTUNITY TO TO BUY A LOT THAT YOU COULD THEN HAVE A PLATTED LOT, HAVE A, A COMPLETE TRANSACTIONAL OPPORTUNITY FOR AN INDIVIDUAL TO,

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IT'S IT NEEDS TO BE A SINGLE PLATTED LOT TO BE ON REAL ESTATE.

SO OUR, OUR DEVELOPMENTS ARE A ONE LARGE LOT LIKE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.

SO THAT WOULD NEED TO BE SINGLE FAMILY AND THEN OR SINGLE PLATTED LOT.

AND THEN THERE'S A THERE'S A DIFFERENT CONNECTION.

THERE'S AN EXTRA PIECE THAT YOU CAN PUT TO THE GROUND AND HAVE A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER COME OUT, SIGN OFF THAT GIVES THE LENDER THE NOTICE THAT, HEY, THIS MEETS THE, THE REAL ESTATE FIRM AND ANYBODY CAN LEND ON IT.

YOU CAN CURRENTLY DO THAT TODAY. I MEAN, AS IT SITS, THE DIFFERENCE IS GOING AND DOING THAT IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

THE ZONING CODE DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF HOUSE.

YOU HAVE TO MEET THE HOUSING, YOU KNOW, THE REGULATIONS FOR THOSE HOMES ON THE SINGLE PLATTED LOTS, THE WHATEVER THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IS. SO THE PLAT, THE PLATTED LOT SITUATION, THAT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE DEAL ON THE LAND.

I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN A CHATTEL AND A NON CHATTEL.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IT'S THE ATTACHMENT FEATURE THAT MAKES IT BECOME PART OF REAL ESTATE AS OPPOSED TO JUST A FIXTURE.

YEAH. THAT WOULD THEN CONVERT IT INTO A, A MORTGAGEABLE PROPERTY.

IT MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE A DIFFERENT MODEL. IT MIGHT ALLOW FOR, FOR INDIVIDUAL UNITS.

AND PLATTING A LOT IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS WHICH WHICH COULD BE ACHIEVED ON INDIVIDUAL TERMS. SO ANYWAY, RELATIVE TO THE ZONING AND THE PERMITTING CODES, I WOULD THINK THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT THE CLASSIFICATION WITH YOUR ADVICE AND HELP IN SEEING IF WE COULD PROVIDE A MODEL THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE WHAT SOME OF THE CONCERNS ARE OF MY COLLEAGUES, WHICH IS TRYING TO GET PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING A DOWN PAYMENT TO ACTUALLY OWN SOMETHING WHEN THEY WHEN THEY FINISH THE THE PARTY.

SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR FOR THE EXPLANATION.

YEAH. THANK YOU. WE'D BE HAPPY TO, TO BE A PART OF THAT AND WORK THROUGH THAT. THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE YOU COMING TODAY. OH, I'M SORRY.

COUNCIL MEMBER BLAIR. THANK YOU FOR REMEMBERING ME.

FOR MY FOR FOR MY COLLEAGUES HERE. I STARTED THE ZONING ON THIS PROJECT WHEN I FIRST BECAME A COMMISSIONER FOR CPC. IT'S ONE OF MY VERY FIRST THINGS THAT I DID.

I STARTED OUT WITH A VERY FIRM, EMPHATIC NO. I HAVE 8,585% OF ALL OF THE MANUFACTURED HOMES AND TRAILER PARKS IN THE ENTIRE CITY RESIDE IN MY DISTRICT IN THIS AREA.

WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS AND AND DAVID IS NOT HERE, BUT WITH THIS TEAM AND DAVID, I LEARNED VERY, VERY QUICKLY THAT THERE WAS A NEED TO, ONE CLEAN UP MY TRAILER PARKS, MOBILE HOMES, MANUFACTURED HOMES IN THIS AREA AND GIVE THE RESIDENTS WHO WERE LIVING IN THOSE SUBSTANDARD.

AND I NEED TO EMPHASIZE SUBSTANDARD HOUSING CHOICES, A BETTER WAY TO LIVE ONE.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT EVEN TO THIS DAY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PRESENTATION, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE.

THERE IS A MEDICAL FACILITY BY BAYLOR SCOTT AND WHITE.

IN ORDER FOR THIS. THE THE THE RESIDENTS IN THE SOUTHEAST SECTION IN DISTRICT EIGHT, THEY HAVE NO MEDICAL. THEY HAVE NO. THEY. THEY GROW THEIR OWN FRUITS AND VEGETABLES BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO GROCERY STORE.

THE. THE QUICKEST THE. THEY. THEY HAVE TO GO OUT OF THE CITY IN ORDER TO GET THOSE SERVICES.

THIS IS GOING TO PROVIDE THAT. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHAT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

YES, IT'S A LAND LEASE. AND THANK YOU, CHAIR, FOR FOR BRINGING THE THE REVELATION.

REVELATION TO ME, JUST LIKE WE HAVE LAND LEASES WITH HFC HOUSING.

THIS IS BASICALLY THE SAME TIME. BUT FOR PROFIT AND, AND BUT ALSO INSTEAD OF IT BEING APARTMENTS, IT IS HOUSES. I VISIT THE HOUSE. AND YES, I INSISTED THAT WE HAVE THE TWO STORIES BECAUSE THE TWO STORIES LOOK MAKE IT LOOK MORE STANDARDIZED.

IT GIVES IT MORE OF A STANDARDIZED VIEW OF NATURAL COMMUNITIES.

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IT'S A LOT OF ACRES. IT'S A LOT OF HOUSING, 800 UNITS THAT RESIDENTS WHO DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN.

APARTMENT APARTMENT RATES ONE BEDROOMS ARE $1,400 A MONTH.

THIS IS THIS IS YES, MORE. BUT THEY ALSO HAVE SECURITY.

YOU COME IN, YOU'RE GOING TO YOUR YOUR LICENSE PLATE IS GOING TO BE SCANNED.

IF YOU'RE A PROBLEM CHILD, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET IN.

THEY HAVE FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL. SO THEY CAN TELL YOU EVEN THOUGH IF THEY DO CHECKS.

SO EVEN IF YOU DO HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL IN ORDER TO BE HERE, IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, YOU CAN'T COME.

IT GIVES GIVES ME THE OPPORTUNITY IN DISTRICT EIGHT TO DO CLEAN UP, PROVIDE DECENT HOUSING.

THEY'RE PUTTING IN NEW WASTEWATER, SO THEY'RE DOING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S NOT THERE.

THEY'RE PUTTING IN HOUSING THAT IS NOT THE STANDARDIZED HOUSING IS NOT THERE.

THEY'RE GIVING AMENITIES THAT THIS COMMUNITY DOES NOT HAVE.

IS IT FOR EVERYBODY? NO. IS IT THE ANSWER TO A DIFFERENT TYPE OF HOUSING STOCK? YES, IT IS IT. AND WHEN WE LOOK AT STANDARDIZED BUILDING THERE'S A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE. THERE'S A LOT OF HOW A STREET WORK THAT HAS TO HAVE HAPPEN.

I DON'T HAVE THAT HERE. I HAVE STREETS THAT ARE UNDEVELOPED.

YOU MAJOR TRUCKS CAN'T GET IN AND OUT. THIS IS A WAY TO BUILD THOSE THOSE COMMUNITY, THAT COMMUNITY.

WHEN I DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED TO BUILD IT.

SO LIKE, LIKE HE SAID, IS IT IS IT THE STANDARD? NO. IS IT A ANSWER? YES. IS IT LIKE WHAT CHAIR SAID THE NOT FOR NOT THE NONPROFIT D H H F THANK YOU COMMUNITY LAND TRUSTS. IT'S SIMILAR BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT.

IT'S A HYBRID. AND AS WE TRY TO DO CHANGES WE DID CHANGES WITH WITH CLUSTER HOUSING.

WE DID CHANGES THAT THAT GIVES US DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES.

THIS IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY. I CHANGED FROM A VERY EMPHATIC NO TO I LOVE IT.

IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE SOMETHING, ESPECIALLY SINCE I'VE LOOKED AT IT AND I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO GO LOOK AT IT.

MAYBE IT DOESN'T WORK FOR YOU, BUT IT DOES WORK HERE.

SO THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU GUYS FOR COMING AND SHARING WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN DISTRICT EIGHT.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WE DO APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

OKAY, SO WE'VE RUN A LITTLE BIT LONG ON OUR FIRST TWO ITEMS. OUR NEXT ITEM. AARON IS GOING TO GO THROUGH THE HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION AND PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION AND THE TAX EXEMPT SUMMARY.

AARON, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO ACTUALLY DO THE HFC FIRST, WHICH IS HOW YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR PRESENTATION AND THEN PAUSE AND LET US ASK YOU QUESTIONS FOR THAT AND THEN DO THE PFC AND WE'LL ASK THOSE QUESTIONS BECAUSE I'M AFRAID THEY'RE GOING TO RUN TOGETHER.

TOO MUCH. AND I THINK IT'S GOOD TO GIVE SORT OF THAT BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE AND WHAT THE ACTUAL CORPORATION IS, BUT MAYBE NOT EVERY SINGLE WORD OF EVERY SLIDE.

OKAY. SO IF YOU COULD JUST BE CONSCIOUS OF THE TIME AND THAT MICROPHONE SEEMS TO BE HAVING TROUBLE, WOULD YOU MIND MOVING OVER JUST ONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU. CHAIR. MENDELSOHN.

QUINTO HERE, GENERAL MANAGER OF THE DALLAS PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION AND THE DALLAS HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION.

YES. GOOD SUGGESTIONS. I THINK OFTEN THESE GET MESHED TOGETHER AND THE DIFFERENCES GET A LITTLE OBFUSCATED, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. WITH THAT BEING SAID, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

THIS IS INFORMATION THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT I FEEL IS IMPORTANT THAT WE CONVEY, AND HOPEFULLY IT'S EDUCATIONAL FOR EVERYONE HERE.

AND FEEL FREE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS. I ALWAYS SAY THAT TO EVERYONE.

I'LL COME AND DO A TOWN HALL IN YOUR DISTRICTS.

IF YOU WANT YOUR YOUR CONSTITUENTS TO KNOW WHAT WE DO.

WE'RE AN OPEN BOOK, SO I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID WHAT IS AN HFC, PFC? OBVIOUSLY WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THIS LATELY.

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THE BOARDS ARE ALL APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL.

AND ALL POWERS OF THE CORPORATIONS RESIDE IN THE BOARD.

THIS IS BOTH FOR THE HFC AND THE PFC. IF WE CAN GO TO SLIDE, I THINK THREE.

SO WE TRY TO CONVEY WHO WE'RE SERVING. MOST, MOST OF THE TIME WE JUST TALK ABOUT THE WORKING CLASS FOLKS.

NOW WE'RE ABLE TO SERVE WITH THE HFC. I THINK ON AVERAGE, THE FOLKS EARNING 60% AMI AND BELOW, THAT'S THAT'S OUR MAIN TARGET MARKET. NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T SERVE THOSE AT 50 AND 30%.

THAT'S JUST IF YOU'RE QUALIFYING TO LIVE AT THIS PROJECT, YOU HAVE TO EARN AT AT MAXIMUM 60% AMI OR BELOW.

AND SO MANY OF OUR TENANTS EARN THAT MUCH OR AT 50% OR AT 30%.

SO THEY'RE QUITE HELPFUL. I MEAN, LOOKING AT THESE OCCUPATIONS, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE JUST REGULAR FOLKS.

THESE ARE THESE AREN'T FOLKS WHO DON'T WORK. THESE ARE JUST FOLKS WHO HAVE REGULAR JOBS, BUT THEY MAY NOT EARN AS MUCH AS A, YOU KNOW, A LAWYER OR SOME HIGH RANKING PROFESSIONAL HERE.

GOING TO THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT OVERSIGHT.

THIS IS THIS IS APPLICABLE FOR BOTH THE HFC AND THE PFC.

THESE ARE HIGHLY REGULATED PROGRAMS. I THINK A LOT OF FOLKS HAD A MISCONCEPTION THAT THESE KIND OF SNEAK THROUGH WITHOUT ANY OVERSIGHT.

AND NOW I THINK IN THE PAST THAT MAY HAVE HAPPENED, BUT THERE'S BEEN SOME VERY, VERY HELPFUL AND VERY PUBLIC AMENDMENTS TO THE STATE STATUTES THAT GOVERN THESE PROGRAMS. AND SO NOW THERE ARE VERY, VERY SPECIFIC GUARDRAILS THAT MAKE SURE THAT THESE PROJECTS ARE VETTED BOTH PUBLICLY AND WITH THE BOARDS. AND SO JUST GOING THROUGH PROJECT APPROVALS HERE, THE HFC, IT GOES THROUGH AT LEAST CALL IT FOR APPROVALS THAT ARE IN PUBLIC MEETINGS, NOT TO MENTION ALL THE VETTING THAT STAFF DOES, BOTH MY STAFF AS WELL AS THE CITY STAFF.

SO THESE THESE PROJECTS ARE COMBED THROUGH. AND SO, YOU KNOW, LISTING IN SOME OF THESE, YOU STILL NEED ZONING APPROVALS FROM PNC.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO PROPOSE ONE OF THESE PROJECTS, YOU STILL NEED TO COME TO CITY COUNCIL, BOTH HERE AT THE HHS COMMITTEE AS WELL AS AT A FULL COUNCIL BRIEFING OR FULL COUNCIL AGENDA MEETING.

YOU NEED TWO SEPARATE HFC APPROVALS. AND OFTEN IF IT'S A HIGH TECH PROJECT WITH THE PARTNERSHIP, THERE WILL BE THREE APPROVALS AT THE HFC BOARD LEVEL.

SO THESE THESE PROJECTS, AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT SNEAKING THROUGH THERE.

THERE'S NO SURPRISES HERE. WE'VE SEEN THEM MANY, MANY TIMES WHEN WE COME TO THE CLOSING TABLE.

AND NOW IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THESE PUBLIC APPROVALS, THERE'S ALSO THE FINANCING SIDE.

LIKE I THINK IT'S, IT'S LOGICAL TO ASSUME ALL OF THE BANKS ARE LOANING MONEY ON THESE PROJECTS, 50, $60 MILLION. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THEIR INTERNAL COMMITTEES AS WELL.

SO IT'S NOT JUST OUR SIDE FROM THE PUBLIC ASPECT.

THERE'S ALSO ALL THE PRIVATE MONEY THAT'S TIED UP IN THESE PROJECTS THAT THEY STAND TO LOSE.

WE DON'T WE DON'T CONTRIBUTE ANY CASH TO THESE PROJECTS.

AND SO ALL OF THESE FOLKS WHO ARE RISKING THEIR REAL CAPITAL, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THESE.

THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE UNDERWRITING. THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE LOCATIONS. THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE SPONSORS. THEY DON'T WANT TO LOSE THEIR MONEY. AND RIGHTLY SO.

RIGHT. APART FROM THAT, THERE'S. THERE'S ALSO LEGAL APPROVALS.

ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINIONS ARE NEEDED ON ALL TAX EXEMPT BOND ISSUANCES.

AND SO AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF OVERSIGHT. AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'S ONGOING COMPLIANCE.

SO IF YOU ARE FOUND TO BE OUT OF COMPLIANCE AFTER THIS IS ALL CLOSED AND IN OPERATION, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS SUBJECT TO CLAWBACKS FOR ALL OF THESE TAX CREDITS OR TAX EXEMPTIONS. THEY, OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKETS, WILL HAVE TO PAY THAT BACK IF THEY'RE FOUND TO BE OUT OF COMPLIANCE.

AND SO THEY'RE HIGHLY INCENTIVIZED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE RUNNING THESE PROJECTS PROPERLY AND ACCORDING TO THE STATUTES.

NEXT SLIDE HERE. AGAIN, JUST SOME GENERAL BACKGROUND ON HOW AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS FUNDED HERE IN THE STATE.

AND BOTH OF THESE PROGRAMS, YOU HAVE TAX CREDITS.

SO THESE ARE DIFFERENT THAN TAX EXEMPT BONDS.

BUT AGAIN, VERY IMPORTANT. THE TAX CREDITS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE LIGHTTECH PROGRAM.

THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU ASSUME THERE. NOW THERE'S ALSO PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTIONS.

NOT EVERY PROPERTY THAT WE OWN HAS A PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION, BUT SOME OF THEM WILL.

I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, THAT IS WHAT WE DO PROVIDE THAT THAT KIND OF GETS THESE PROJECTS OVER THE EDGE.

BUT AGAIN, NOT ALL OF THEM HAVE A TAX EXEMPTION.

THERE ARE TAX EXEMPT BONDS. THOSE ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE TAX CREDITS.

I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE CONFUSE THAT. THESE ARE ALSO DIFFERENT THAN THE GEO BONDS THAT YOU ALL WILL ISSUE.

THESE ARE VERY SPECIFIC. THEY CAN ONLY BE USED IN A VERY SPECIFIC MANNER THROUGH THE LIGHTTECH PROGRAM HERE IN TEXAS.

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AND THEN OTHER RANDOM FUNDS THAT, THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, TO PUT INTO THE CAPITAL STACK.

SO LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL SUBSIDIES FROM THE CITY BUDGET.

YOU KNOW, WE WENT THROUGH AND WE TOTALED UP ALL OF THESE TAX EXEMPTIONS.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE BASED ON THE ACTUAL VALUE ON THE TAX ROLLS, SINCE I BELIEVE ABOUT 2011, IT'S ONLY BEEN ABOUT $4.5 MILLION THAT THE HFC HAS TAKEN OFF THE TAX ROLLS.

THAT'S TOTAL OVER ALL THOSE YEARS. NEXT SLIDE HERE.

RIGHT. SO THIS THIS CHART IS SOMETHING I'M PROUD OF.

IT. IT KIND OF EXPLAINS HOW THE FUNDING WORKS AND WHY IT'S NEEDED AND WHERE IT'S COMING FROM.

AND SO YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST BAR ON THE TOP, IT SAYS MARKET RATE.

SO TALKING ABOUT MARKET RATE DEVELOPMENTS, IT COSTS THE SAME TO BUILD A MARKET RATE DEVELOPMENT.

BUT LOOKING AT THE AFFORDABLE DEVELOPMENT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE TOTAL FUNDING NEEDED TO OPERATE IT.

RIGHT. AND SO WHEN YOU HAVE THE TOTAL COSTS THAT ARE THE SAME AS THE MARKET RATE UNITS.

BUT THEN YOU HERE YOU HAVE THE RESTRICTED RATE APARTMENTS WHERE YOU CAN'T COLLECT AS MUCH REVENUE TO SUPPORT THOSE OPERATIONS AND TO SUPPORT YOUR LOANS AND THE FUNDING, YOU NEED TO FILL THAT GAP WITH SOMETHING. AND SO THAT'S WHERE OUR PROGRAMS COME IN.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE TAX EXEMPTIONS ARE MOST VALUABLE, RIGHT? ON THOSE AFFORDABLE DEALS, YOU HAVE THAT YELLOW GAP AT THE END WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF IT WERE A MARKET RATE UNIT, THEY COULD CHARGE MORE RENT TO PAY FOR THAT STUFF.

BUT IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE HOLDING DOWN THOSE RENTS TO PROVIDE BENEFIT TO THE RESIDENTS, YOU HAVE TO FIND SOME WAY TO MAKE UP FOR THAT FUNDING GAP.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE ALL THESE SOURCES COME IN.

AND TAX EXEMPTIONS CAN BE VERY, VERY EFFICIENT.

GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE. THE TOTAL HFC PORTFOLIO, I THINK AS OF DECEMBER WE HAD ABOUT 9600 UNITS TOTAL.

ABOUT 7400 OF THEM WERE LIGHTTECH UNITS. AND THEN WE HAVE VARIOUS AFFORDABILITY RESTRICTIONS ON ALL OF THEM.

WE'RE VERY PROUD OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO IN THE LAST 5 OR 6 YEARS.

I THINK WE WENT FROM ABOUT FIVE PROPERTIES TO ABOUT 42.

SO WE'VE WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT. AND SO THAT'S PARTLY THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INTEREST AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ACTIVITY. AND YOU ALL NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND SO IF WE CAN SKIP TO THE NEXT SLIDE. NUMBER NINE.

JUST TRYING TO BE. CAREFUL OF TIME HERE. SO LOOKING AT THE TAX EXEMPTIONS, THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE WANTS TO KNOW.

WHAT IS WHAT IS THE HFC COSTING THE CITY. RIGHT.

AND SO EVERY YEAR IT'S ABOUT $1.7 MILLION IN OUR CURRENT PORTFOLIO.

AND SO THAT'S OF THE 35 TAX EXEMPT PROPERTIES.

WE WENT AND WE WE LISTED THEM ALL OUT. WE LOOKED AT THE TAX ROLLS BASED ON THE YEAR THEY WERE TAKEN OFF.

WHAT WAS THE TAX BILL FOR THAT YEAR? AND THEN WE WENT BACK AND TOTALED ALL OF THE YEARS.

WHAT WOULD THAT ADD UP TO. AND SO IN 2025, ALL 35 PROPERTIES FOR THAT YEAR COST $1.7 MILLION.

SO ON A PER UNIT BASIS, IT'S ABOUT $213 PER UNIT.

YOU KNOW, JUST PUTTING THAT INTO PERSPECTIVE, $18 A MONTH PER UNIT, THAT'S OUR PORTFOLIO IS ABOUT 9600 UNITS.

I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY EFFICIENT USE OF CITY FUNDS, ESPECIALLY LOOKING AT ALL OF THE BENEFITS THAT YOU GET BACK TO THE PUBLIC.

I THINK THAT'S $4.8 MILLION, RIGHT. SO WE CAN PAUSE HERE AS CHAIR MENDELSOHN ASKS, AND I'LL OPEN FOR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HFC ONLY, I GUESS. THANK YOU. WHO HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HFC TAX EXEMPTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER ROTH THANK YOU. I THINK THAT CERTAINLY THE PROGRAM HAS A LOT OF VALUE IF IT'S ADMINISTERED PROPERLY.

ONE THING I, I WAS WONDERING ABOUT, I DIDN'T SEE IN YOUR IN YOUR PROJECT OVERSIGHT CALCULATION OF, OF CONSTITUENTS IS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS SORT OF MISSING OUT OF THAT COMPONENT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED.

AND IT'S NOT, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT AN OVERSIGHT BODY, BUT THEY'RE A, I THINK A SIGNIFICANT STAKEHOLDER THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN YOUR PRESENTATIONS IN THE FUTURE TO SAY THAT THEY ARE PART OF THIS PROCESS.

THEY'RE A VALUABLE PART, AND THEY SHOULD BE A PART THAT'S INVOLVED AT THE FRONT END OF THESE PROCESSES, RATHER THAN AS A, AT THE INTERNALLY OF THE BACK END OF THAT.

COULD YOU COMMENT ON WHERE DOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES SORT OF COME INTO THIS PROCESS?

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IT MAKES MY JOB A LOT HARDER. IT MAKES THE BOARD'S JOB A LOT HARDER IF THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES DON'T LIKE WHAT IS BEING BUILT.

NOW, AGAIN, THIS IS A LARGE CITY. NOT EVERYONE'S GOING TO LIKE EVERYTHING YOU DO.

THAT'S JUST KIND OF PART OF THE THAT'S JUST IT IS WHAT IT IS, RIGHT? NOW, AGAIN, WE LISTED ALL OF THE DIFFERENT APPROVALS THAT ARE NEEDED.

A LOT OF THESE ARE PLANNING AND ZONING, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION IS BUILT INTO THAT PROCESS.

NOW SEPARATELY, OUR MEETINGS, WE ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT AT EACH OF OUR MEETINGS.

WE ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPERS BEFORE THEY EVEN APPLY SO AS NOT TO GET INTO ANY KIND OF ETHICAL SITUATIONS TO GO AND CONTACT YOU ALL AND GET THE BEAD ON.

WHAT WOULD THE COMMUNITY THINK IF WE PROPOSED SOMETHING HERE? RIGHT? WE, WE RELY ON ON YOU ALL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ENACTING YOUR WILL.

WE'RE VERY MUCH AWARE THAT THE BOARD OPERATES AT THE PLEASURE OF THE COUNCIL.

AND SO WE TRY TO STAY VERY CONNECTED WITH YOU ALL AND WHAT YOU WANT FOR YOUR PARTICULAR COMMUNITIES, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE PROPOSING A PROJECT IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'VE BEEN BRIEFED BEFORE IT EVEN COMES TO THE BOARD.

THANK YOU. AND WITH REGARD TO THE THE ANALYSIS ON THE REDUCTION IN TAX COSTS TO THE TO THE CITY, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU PUT A PROPERTY ONTO INTO USE THAT WAS NOT IN USE BEFORE.

THERE'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE A, A VERY LIMITED TAX LOSS, BUT ONCE A PROJECT IS PUT INTO USE AND THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S ACTUALLY INVESTMENTS THERE AND STUFF.

I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF A, OF A SUNSET OR A LIMITATION ON THE AMOUNT OF TAX BENEFIT THAT A, A DEVELOPMENT HAS OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. IN OTHER WORDS, I THINK WE NEED TO SUBSIDIZE FOLKS TO THE DEVELOPERS TO HELP CREATE THE AFFORDABLE UNITS. BUT AT SOME TIME, AT SOME POINT IN THE PROCESS, AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT 50 OR 75 YEARS OR IN A HIGH TECH SITUATION OVER THE TERM OF THE THE OWNERSHIP OF THE OPPORTUNITY, AT LEAST THERE WOULD BE SOME KIND OF RECOGNITION OF THE INCREASED VALUE, THE NEED TO RESET THE THE PROPERTY TAX VALUATION, NOT EVEN JUST SO THAT THE CITY DOES AT SOME POINT INCUR SOME KIND OF A BENEFIT FOR THE BENEFIT THAT THEY'VE THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED FOR THE FOR THE DALLAS.

AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED AND MAYBE EXPLAINED TO ALL OF US IN THE FUTURE IN YOUR PRESENTATIONS.

THANK YOU SIR. YES. YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S A DIFFICULT IT'S CERTAINLY A VALID COMMENT AND IT'S SOMETHING WE STRIVE TO DO.

RIGHT. WE DON'T WANT TO CAUSE UNDUE. WE DON'T WANT TO OVER SUBSIDIZE THINGS.

BASICALLY, RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A VERY WIDE RANGE OF WHAT DOES OVER SUBSIDY MEAN, RIGHT? IF THERE'S NOTHING THERE AND THERE HASN'T BEEN ANYTHING THERE FOR 50 YEARS, WOULD THERE HAVE BEEN ANYTHING THERE FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS? PROBABLY NOT.

BUT DOES IT MEAN IT'S NOT NEEDED? I WOULD SAY PROBABLY.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALSO DEBATABLE. NOW, IF WE CAN GET SOMETHING THERE, AND ESPECIALLY IN AN AREA OF THE CITY THAT HASN'T SEEN A LOT OF NEW INVESTMENT, I THINK THAT CAN ACT AS A CATALYST. AND AGAIN, THAT'S OUR GOAL, RIGHT? FOR A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS IS CAN WE PROVIDE A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY? CAN WE HELP, I GUESS, BE THE RISING TIDE THAT LIFTS ALL THE BOATS? RIGHT? SO A LOT OF OUR PROJECTS, WE WILL BUILD THEM IN AREAS THAT HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF INVESTMENT.

THEN YOU SEE UTILITIES BEING RUN OUT TO THAT.

YOU'LL SEE NEW SIDEWALKS. YOU'LL SEE IMPROVEMENTS IN STREETS SURROUNDING THAT PROJECT.

YOU'LL SEE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES TRYING TO COMPETE AND IMPROVING THEIR FACILITIES IN RESPONSE TO WHAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE STATUTORILY, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE A VERY HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE.

AND SO AGAIN, ALL OF THESE ARE GREAT BENEFITS TO THE CITY.

YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU HAVE HAD THEM IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE INVESTMENT OF THE HFC OR THE PFC IN THAT REGARD? YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO SAY WHAT WOULD OR HASN'T HAPPENED OR COULD HAPPEN.

I THINK WHAT YOU DO KNOW IS THAT IT HASN'T HAPPENED NOW.

YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE TIME LIMIT? THAT'S A THAT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION.

IT'S A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT TO SOLVE BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS HAVE THE THE BANK LOANS ARE BASED ON A LEASEHOLD INTEREST THAT WILL LAST FOR 75 OR 99 YEARS. IN REALITY, THE PROJECT IS, DOES NOT HAVE A 99 YEAR TIMELINE.

YOU KNOW, MOST PROJECTS GET REFINANCED IN THE FIRST 15 OR 20 YEARS, AND THEN THAT KIND OF DOES RESET WHAT IS HAPPENING AT THE PROGRAM.

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BUT AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A WAY TO DO IT, BUT IT'S GOING TO NEED SOME MORE WORKSHOPPING HERE.

BUT THE CONCERN IS, IS DEFINITELY NOTED AND WE'LL TRY TO DO OUR BEST TO, TO FIGURE THAT OUT WITH Y'ALL.

AND JUST FOR MY, THE LAST QUESTION, JUST FOR MY CLARIFICATION, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 60%, AM I 80%? AM I BELOW OR ABOVE THOSE NUMBERS? GIVE ME, EXPLAIN IT TO ME IN A LITTLE BIT MORE SIMPLE TERMS. IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU HAVE A PERSON THAT'S MAKING $50,000 AS THEIR AVERAGE INCOME IF YOU'RE DEALING WITH AN HFC PROJECT, THE, THE LEVEL OF, OF RESIDENTIAL PARTICIPATION AS FOLKS THAT WOULD MAKE 60% OR, OR LESS THAN THAT OR 60% OF MORE THAN $50,000. IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT, HOW DOES THIS, HOW DO YOU CALCULATE WHO'S WHO'S THE, THE, THE, THE APPROPRIATE RESIDENT? GOOD QUESTION.

SO HUD ACTUALLY SETS OUT AMI LEVELS FOR EVERY METRO AREA IN THE NATION.

AND SO THERE'S A CHART THAT'LL SAY FOR DALLAS, IF YOU HAVE A ONE PERSON HOUSEHOLD, 60% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME IS ABOUT $50,000, RIGHT? AND SO WHEN WE SAY THESE ARE 60% UNITS, ALL THAT IS DOING IS SETTING THE INCOME LEVELS, THEIR MAXIMUM INCOME LEVELS SO THAT THEY CAN QUALIFY FOR THAT REDUCED RATE UNIT.

AND SO IF YOU WERE MAKING $50,000 AND YOU WANTED TO APPLY FOR 60 60% UNIT, YOU'RE YOU'RE WELCOME TO APPLY AND QUALIFY FOR THAT BASED ON YOUR INCOME. NOW, IF YOU'RE MAKING $80,000, YOU WOULD NOT QUALIFY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO TARGET THESE UNITS TO THOSE WHO ARE IN THE MOST NEED BASED ON INCOME ALONE.

AND SO WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S THAT YOU'RE LIMITING TO A 30%.

AM I UNDER MAYBE THE PFC OR ONE OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS? THAT BAR IS LOWER MUCH? CORRECT, CORRECT. SO 30% MS THAT HELPS SORT OF DEFINE AFFORDABLE VERSUS A LOWER.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WHAT THE ALL FOR RIGHT.

THE, THE OTHER WORDING WOULD BE FOR AFFORDABLE OR WORKFORCE HOUSING VERSUS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

MAYBE THAT'S, MAYBE THAT'S THE DEFINITION CHANGE IS THAT I WOULD SAY IT'S GENERALLY IN THE INDUSTRY, THEY CALL WORKFORCE HOUSING ANYWHERE BETWEEN 60 TO 80% AMI OR ABOVE.

YOU KNOW, SOME AFFORDABLE IS A VERY SQUISHY TERM THAT REALLY IS NOT DEFINED.

SO I LIKE TO USE THE AMIS BECAUSE IT'S VERY MUCH MORE SPECIFIC, AND IT ACTUALLY HAS A DOLLAR AMOUNT ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE INCOME BANDS.

I WOULD THINK THAT IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC THING ABOUT THE EXEMPTIONS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. BUT I'M SURE AARON WOULD BE HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU ONE ON ONE.

YES. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DO. OH.

I'M SORRY. YOU'RE FINE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ASK SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE IN HERE.

AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER, IT'S TOTALLY FINE. BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY DATA TO SHOW WHERE WE HAVE PROVIDED, LIKE WHERE THE INDIVIDUALS CAME FROM IF THEY WERE ON THE VERGE OF HOMELESSNESS, ANY, ANY OF THE LIKE PERSONAL ACCOUNTS.

AND I ASKED BECAUSE I, I THINK I DO APPRECIATE THE BREAKDOWN.

AND I THINK THE, THE NUMBER IS A LITTLE BIT SHOCKINGLY LOW TO ME, QUITE FRANKLY, AND WHAT I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED.

BUT I WANT TO, INSTEAD OF ONLY LOOKING AT A COMPARISON OF WHAT HAS BEEN FORGONE WITH JUST THIS NOTION AND HOPE THAT THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED AT THIS PARTICULAR SITE THAT WOULD BE BRINGING IN MORE ON OUR TAX BASE.

THAT'S ONE GREAT COMPARISON. I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME HYPOTHETICALS THERE, BUT I ALSO WANT TO UNDERSTAND FROM AN INVESTMENT AND A RETURN ON INVESTMENT STANDPOINT, BEING ABLE TO COMPARE THOSE WHO HAVE POTENTIALLY BEEN ON THE VERGE OF HOMELESSNESS, HOW MUCH, HOW MANY UNITS WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE AND WHAT THAT INVESTMENT LOOKS LIKE AS A RETURN VERSUS THAT OF WHAT WE SPEND ON A PER PERSON BASIS.

WHO, WHO IS UNHOUSED? WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY AND LOOK AT THESE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE AS INVESTMENTS.

AND IF WE ARE IN FACT INCREASING OUR HOUSING STOCK AT THE SAME TIME OF BRINGING INDIVIDUALS OFF OF OUR STREET OR OUT OF OUR SHELTER SPACE, I SEE AN ADDED VALUE IN THAT. AND I WANT TO, I WANT TO JUST BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT TO COMPARE TO.

AND I KNOW YOU PROBABLY DON'T HAVE THAT. SO IF YOU COULD JUST BRING THAT UP.

I DON'T HAVE THAT CURRENTLY. NOW WE ARE ACTUALLY, I THINK YOU ALL PROBABLY RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM THE HFC BOARD PRESIDENT RECENTLY.

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SHE'S GOING TO BE EMBARKING ON A TWO YEAR STUDY WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE COLLECTING MUCH OF THIS INDIVIDUAL DATA AND TRYING TO GET MUCH MORE GRANULAR.

WE FOUND THAT, YOU KNOW, HERE, ESPECIALLY FOR DALLAS, ALL OF THE DATA IS VERY GENERAL.

IT HASN'T BEEN REALLY TAILORED TO WHAT WE HAVE.

THEY'RE JUST, THERE JUST HASN'T BEEN A LOT OF REALLY INTENSE RESEARCH.

AND I THINK IN OUR PURSUIT OF TRYING TO GET IT RIGHT AND NOT JUST BE RIGHT, WE WANT TO BE AS INFORMED AS POSSIBLE.

AND SO WE'RE ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS OF REACHING OUT TO ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS WORKING WITH THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT, WORKING, TRYING TO REACH OUT TO DH ANY OTHER HOUSING STAKEHOLDERS WHERE WE CAN GATHER THIS DATA, WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY ANALYZE IT AND SEE WHAT HAVE THE EFFECTS OF THIS POLICY BEEN? WHAT HAVE THE EFFECTS OF THESE COMMUNITIES BEEN ON THE INDIVIDUALS AND NOT JUST AND BY AND LARGE, THROUGH THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT WE CAN MEASURE ON THE TAX ROLLS RIGHT NOW? YOU KNOW, I CAN SPELL OUT STUDIES TO YOU SAYING FOR EVERY DOLLAR OF TAXES WE FOREGO, WE GET $2.50 OF RETURN TO THE ECONOMY.

BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO YOU ALL? IT'S A VERY NEBULOUS NUMBER.

I MEAN, IT'S OUT THERE, RIGHT? IT'S BEEN STUDIED, BUT IT'S HARD TO PIN DOWN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE ANCILLARY EFFECTS AND SAY, HEY, WHAT IS THE REAL EFFECT TO THIS PERSON WHO IS COMING FROM HOMELESSNESS? DOES IT SAVE US IN OTHER PLACES? SO WE'RE, WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO, TO TRY TO GET ALL THAT DATA.

NOW IT TAKES TIME, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE DEFINITELY TRYING TO FOCUS ON HERE.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADD JUST I'LL WRAP IT UP IF YOU COULD INCLUDE ALSO THE MARKET RATE.

I THINK THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE VERY SELDOM TALK ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE OPPORTUNITY THAT THIS TOOL BRINGS.

AND THAT'S MIXING THE INCOME OF ALREADY WORKING CLASS INCOME THAT IS, IS ADDING TO OUR ABILITY TO RECRUIT BETTER RETAIL, GROCERY STORES, ETC.. AND SO I'M CURIOUS IF YOU COULD WORK IN SOME OF THE DATA THAT YOU BRING BACK TO US SO THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU'RE COMMISSIONING OUT TO GIVE US A COMPARISON OF THE AMOUNT OF THESE.

IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MARKET RATE UNITS VERSUS THAT OF, IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA OF FOLKS WHO HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF OTHER MARKET RATE OPPORTUNITIES, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THIS MODEL HAS ACTUALLY ENCOURAGED FOLKS FROM OTHER AREAS.

AND IF IT'S USED RIGHT, IT SHOULD TO LIVE IN PLACES THAT THEY NORMALLY WOULDN'T HAVE SOUGHT TO LIVE.

SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT ALSO IF WE COULD. YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL DO OUR BEST.

I MEAN, WE CAN'T GET EVERY PIECE OF EVERY DATA, BUT WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO BE RESPONSIVE TO TO WHAT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. SO I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IT'S 5 TO 11.

OBVIOUSLY THIS MEETING IS GOING TO RUN LATE. DO WE FEEL LIKE EVERYONE'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO STAY.

MAINTAIN QUORUM. OKAY. IF I COULD ASK YOU, AS WE'RE ASKING QUESTIONS TO STAY VERY FOCUSED ON THE PRESENTATION AND I'M HAPPY TO BRING BACK AARON TO TALK ABOUT HFC AND PFC AND OTHER ASPECTS IF YOU'D LIKE.

JUST LET ME KNOW. BUT VICE CHAIR IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO.

THANK YOU. I ONLY HAVE ONE. I THINK EVERYBODY HAS COVERED EVERYTHING ELSE.

THE LOCATIONS. AND I SEE WE HAVE IN THE MAP ON PAGE SEVEN, YOU HAVE YOU SHOW THAT THERE'S 28 IN OPERATION, 14 UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR RENOVATION. THE MAP DOESN'T SHOW WHERE THE 14 THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR RENOVATION.

IT SHOWS. WHEN I COUNT THE AREAS, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S 15 IN THE IN THE SOUTHERN AREA, 13 IN THE NORTH.

WHERE ARE THE OTHER 14 AND THE. AND IS THIS NEW CONSTRUCTION OR RENOVATIONS OR BE SOMETHING THAT HAVE BEEN IN IN THE RENOVATIONS HAVE THERE? OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE ALREADY? SO LET ME LET ME TRY TO TACKLE THAT AS A THREE PART QUESTION HERE.

I THINK THE MAP IS ZOOMED OUT QUITE A BIT, SO WE MAY BE LOSING SOME OF THOSE PINS IN THE MAP.

BUT I CAN, I CAN GIVE YOU A MUCH MORE DETAILED MAP IF YOU WOULD LIKE AND A MUCH MORE FOCUSED AREA IF YOU WANT TO SEE THOSE.

WE DO PUBLISH OUR PORTFOLIO PIPELINE EVERY MONTH AT OUR MEETING AND IT HAS ALL THE ADDRESSES AND THE DISTRICT THAT IS ON THEM.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE EXACT PINPOINT ADDRESS. WHAT WAS THE SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION? SO HOW MANY? OKAY. YOU HAVE 14 UNDER RENOVATION.

THE MAP SHOWS THE 28 THAT ARE IN OPERATION. IT DOESN'T SHOW THE 14 THAT ARE IN EITHER UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR RENOVATION.

CAN YOU SHARE THOSE OPPOSED TO EDITING? AND WELL, SINCE YOU HAVE THE ADDRESSES, CAN YOU SHARE ALL THE ADDRESSES AND LOCATIONS OF WHERE.

AND AND AND JUST REAL SIMPLE. HERE'S AN ADDRESS.

IS IT UNDER. IS IT EXISTING? IS IT UNDER CONSTRUCTION? IS IT BEING RENOVATED? AND THOSE THAT ARE EXISTING, CAN YOU GIVE US A LIFE CYCLE?

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YES, WE CAN GET YOU A BETTER MAP OR WITH THE ONES UNDER CONSTRUCTION RENOVATION FOR SURE.

WE WILL WE WILL GET THAT TO YOU IMMEDIATELY ON THE RENOVATION, ON THE REHABILITATION OR THE THE REFINANCING.

IT DEPENDS. IF THEY USE A NEW TAX CREDIT SYNDICATION.

YES, IT WOULD RESTART THAT CLOCK IF THEY DON'T.

THE ORIGINAL LAND USE RESTRICTION AGREEMENT, WHAT THEY CALL A LURA WILL JUST REMAIN IN PLACE.

AND SO WHEN YOU CONSTRUCT A LIGHTTECH PROPERTY OR WHEN YOU RENOVATE IT VIA TAX EXEMPT BONDS, IT STARTS A CLOCK OF ABOUT A 30 YEAR AFFORDABILITY PERIOD.

SO THESE THE RENT RESTRICTIONS WILL REMAIN WITH THAT PROPERTY FOR A MINIMUM OF 30 YEARS.

IF YOU USE THAT TYPE OF FINANCING. NOW, NOT EVERY PROPERTY ELECTS TO USE THAT TYPE OF FINANCING, BUT I ONLY HAVE DATA ON THE ONES THAT WE OWN.

SO THE OLDEST ONE THAT WE HAVE, I THINK IS FROM 2011.

NOW, THAT'S NOT SAYING THAT THE HFC HASN'T EXISTED BEFORE THAT.

AND AND USED USED TO ISSUE MORE BONDS, BUT FROM WHAT I HAVE, I THINK OUR OLDEST PROPERTIES ARE FROM ABOUT 2011.

I SEE THOR IS HERE. GOOD MORNING. THOR DIRECTOR, HOUSING, COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT.

JUST LIKE TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THE APPENDIX AND ITEM D, PAGES 25 AND 26 HAVE THE PFC AND HFC PROJECTS MAPPED BY STAGE OF COMPLETION, UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND IN PIPELINE. THAT'S THE SAME BRIEFING AS PRESENTED IN FEBRUARY FOR YOUR AWARENESS.

WE DO NOT HAVE THEM MAPPED BY REHAB OR NEW CONSTRUCTION.

HOWEVER, WE CAN WORK WITH AARON TO PROVIDE THAT.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SO THERE THERE IT IS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHAIR. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER WILLIS, THANK YOU.

SO I WANT THE WHOLE CITY TO SEE SLIDE THREE, WHICH CALLS OUT THE PEOPLE WHO FIT IN THIS INCOME BAND IT'S CUSTODIANS BUS DRIVERS, PRODUCTION ASSOCIATES, TIRE TECHNICIANS, DATA ENTRY CLERKS, ASSISTANT STORE MANAGERS, SALESPEOPLE, ACCOUNTING ASSISTANTS. IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE THIS CITY TICK.

AND IT'S THE GAS IN OUR ENGINE AND ON WHOSE BACKS OUR OUR LIFE HAPPENS EVERY SINGLE DAY.

AND SO IT'S SO CRITICAL THAT WE SUPPORT OUR HFC AND PFC EVEN AS WE WORK THROUGH PERFECTING IF WE REALLY NEED TO GO THAT FAR, HOW THEY OPERATE. SO WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT PUBLIC BENEFIT BECAUSE TO COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA POINT YOU KNOW, EVERYONE HEARS THIS TAX EXEMPTION PART, BUT THERE IS SUCH AN OFFSET AND I THINK CHILD POVERTY ACTION LAB HAS DONE WORK OR ANOTHER ORGANIZATION ON THE BENEFITS, FINANCIAL BENEFITS OF A KID NOT BEING EVICTED AND BEING ABLE TO STAY IN THEIR SCHOOL, A PARENT NOT HAVING TO MOVE SOMEPLACE ELSE THAT'S NOW FARTHER AWAY FROM THEIR WORK AND IS MORE ONEROUS TRANSPORTATION WISE.

HOW IS THAT COMING? I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT A LOT, BUT IS THERE AN EQUATION THAT'S COMING TOGETHER AROUND THAT? I MEAN, YOU'RE GETTING INTO SOME PRETTY COMPLICATED ECONOMIC CALCULATIONS.

I MEAN THAT'S PROBABLY BUT THEY'RE REALLY IMPORTANT. IF IF, YOU KNOW, SOME ARE GOING TO GO WITH JUST THE ONE SIDE OF THE SCALE.

THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT OTHER SIDE OF THE SCALE.

AND WE DON'T HAVE TO FIGURE IT ALL OUT HERE. BUT I DO WANT AN ATTEMPT MADE AT THAT.

AND I THINK THERE ARE SMART PEOPLE IN THIS CITY WHO COULD HELP PUT THAT TOGETHER.

I AGREE FOR SURE. YOU THREW OUT SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T THINK WOULD BE MEANINGFUL, BUT WE LIKE TO LIVE IN A WORLD OF ROI.

SO YOU YOU SAID FOR EVERY DOLLAR THERE'S 250 RETURN.

WAS THAT JUST AN EXAMPLE OR WAS THAT REAL? CAN YOU POINT.

THAT'S A REAL STUDY. THEY DID IT IN PROBABLY 20 CITIES IN THE US.

THEY WERE LOOKING AT AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAMS AND THOSE SPECIFICALLY USING TAX EXEMPTIONS.

AND THERE WAS SAN ANTONIO WAS WAS ONE OF THE EXAMPLES.

AND THAT WAS THE ONE I FELT WAS MOST CLOSELY RELEVANT TO OUR SITUATION HERE IN DALLAS, WHERE THEY ARE ACTUALLY USING HCFCS AND HCFCS IN A SIMILAR MANNER THAT WE DO.

AND SO THEY FOUND THAT FOR EVERY DOLLAR OF TAXES FOREGONE, THEY RECEIVED ABOUT $2.50 OF RETURN TO THEIR ACTUAL TAX BASE.

THIS WASN'T EVEN CALCULATING THE PUBLIC BENEFIT.

HAVE YOU SENT THAT TO US BEFORE? IF YOU HAVEN'T, PLEASE DO.

YOU KNOW, I TRY TO BE VERY VERY. WELL, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A REALLY IMPORTANT ONE, BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE GETTING AT THROUGH ALL OF THIS IS WHAT IS THIS VALUE?

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COUNCILMAN. GRACEY. MR.. GRACEY. THANK YOU. AND I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE I KIND OF HAD MY QUESTIONS FRAMED.

SO IF I GET OUT OF LINE IN TERMS OF THE SUBJECT THAT WE'RE ON, JUST LET ME KNOW.

BUT I DO, I'LL JUST REMIND YOU IT'S 1103, RIGHT? OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. SO I'M TRYING TO GET THROUGH THIS, THIS TAX EXEMPT PIECE.

IT SHOWS THE PROPERTIES LIKE WESTMORELAND RIDGE, LANCASTER TERRACE AT SOUTHERN TERRACE AT SOUTHERN OAKS GATEWAY AND SO ON.

ALL SOUTHERN DALLAS CAN STAFF PROVIDE THE PERCENTAGE OF TOTAL HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION TAX EXEMPT UNITS, AS WELL AS THE PERCENTAGE OF TOTAL EXEMPTION DOLLARS FOREGONE THAT ARE ATTRIBUTED TO THE CENSUS TRACTS IN SOUTHERN DALLAS WITH THOSE POVERTY RATES THAT ARE GREATER THAN THAT ARE ABOVE 20%, WE DON'T HAVE THAT DATA PREPARED, BUT I'M SURE WE CAN GET IT FOR YOU AND I.

AND A LOT OF THIS IS GOING TO BE CENTERED AROUND THE, THE MISSING DATA THAT WE WOULD NEED TO, TO, TO MAKE SOME OF THESE AGAIN, ONE OF THEM THAT COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA MADE IS AGAIN, WHERE SOME OF OUR MARKET RATE.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THE CONTRAST OF WHAT THE AVAILABLE MARKET RATE UNITS ARE.

AND THEN EVEN I THINK VICE CHAIR BLAIR MENTIONED THE, THE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE ALREADY AGED OUT OF THE TAX EXEMPTION STAGE, INCLUDING ALL OF OUR LOW INCOME FOR A YEAR FOR FOR AT LEAST SINCE I'VE BEEN IN OFFICE, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET A FULL PICTURE OF EVERYTHING, NOT JUST HFC PROJECTS AND ALL OF THAT, BUT ALL OF OUR TECH, BOTH NEW, OLD, OUTDATED, WHATEVER IT IS SO THAT WE CAN GET A FULL PICTURE OF WHAT THE WHAT THE NUMBER OF UNITS ARE IN SOUTHERN DALLAS IN PARTICULAR FOR AFFORDABILITY AND LOW INCOME.

AND THEN THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT IS HOW MUCH MORE MARKET RATE UNITS DO WE HAVE? OR WHAT IS THE SHORTAGE OF MARKET RATE UNITS THAT WE HAVE IN THAT IN THAT COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT EXEMPTIONS FOR HFC.

I KNOW THAT, OKAY. I KNOW. ALL RIGHT, SO WE'LL START THERE, BUT I'LL GO TO THAT SIDE.

BUT THEN I ALSO WANT TO SEE FOR FUTURE CONVERSATIONS THAT WILL COME THE MARKET RATE SIDE.

LET ME GET TO MY QUESTIONS. THAT SUMS IT UP. THERE'S THREE QUESTIONS, BUT THAT SUMS UP FOR NOW. THANK YOU.

AND I DO BELIEVE THOR CAN PROVIDE AND JAMES AS WELL, THE INFORMATION THAT YOU WERE JUST ASKING ABOUT BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO THE COMMITTEE PREVIOUSLY. SO I'D JUST LIKE TO GO TO SLIDE NUMBER TWO.

I'M SORRY. SLIDE THREE. THIS IS A SLIDE WHERE WE WERE JUST CALLING OUT WHAT THE OCCUPATIONS ARE OF YOUR TARGET QUALIFIED RESIDENT. AND I'LL JUST SAY PLEASE DON'T USE THE EMPLOYER BECAUSE THESE NUMBERS ARE NOT ACCURATE.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT INDEED GLASSDOOR AND ZIPRECRUITER, WHICH ARE GOING TO LOOK AT MULTIPLE EMPLOYERS.

SO FOR INSTANCE, PRESCHOOL TEACHER ASSISTANT PRIMROSE IS SAYING 29,000 IS THE AVERAGE INCOME.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT GLASSDOOR, IT'S 37,700. BOTH ARE VERY LOW.

I DON'T THINK IT CHANGES THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION.

BUT SAME THING FOR LIKE WAREHOUSE ASSOCIATE WRITER IS ONLY PAYING 34,000.

THE PEOPLE WHO WORK AT WRITER MIGHT WANT TO GO GET ANOTHER JOB BECAUSE ZIPRECRUITER SAYS 37,000.

ASSISTANT STORE MANAGER AT FAMOUS FOOTWEAR. AGAIN, IF YOU'RE MAKING 39,000 THERE.

THE, THE JOB SITES ARE SAYING THE AVERAGE LOWEST LEVEL AVERAGE IS 45,000.

SO SOME OF THESE NUMBERS ARE NOT ACCURATE. AND I THINK BECAUSE YOU USED AN EMPLOYER AS OPPOSED TO AN AVERAGE ACROSS THE DALLAS MARKET FOR LARGE SCALE SITES THAT, THAT ARE SEEING THE BIG EMPLOYERS ON PROJECT OVERSIGHT ON PAGE FOUR.

I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO COUNCIL MEMBER ROTH FOR FOR MENTIONING THAT WE NEED TO NOT FORGET ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND I WILL SAY THAT SPECIFICALLY FOR A PROJECT IN MY DISTRICT, I WAS NOT CONTACTED.

SO I DON'T THINK THE DEVELOPERS ARE DOING THAT, EVEN IF YOU'RE ENCOURAGING THEM TO DO SO.

I THINK IT ACTUALLY NEEDS TO BE REQUIRED FOR THEM TO DO SO.

AND THERE'S A VERY BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO ITEMS ON SLIDE SEVEN.

LOOKING AT YOUR PORTFOLIO SUMMARY, I HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS.

YOU'VE GOT 42 TOTAL PROPERTIES, 28 IN OPERATION, 14 UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIJINO.

SO THE REST OF THESE NUMBERS, ARE THEY BASED ON THE 42 TOTAL OR THE 28 IN OPERATION?

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WELL, BECAUSE THE MATH ISN'T WORKING VERY WELL.

THESE AREN'T THESE AREN'T MEANT TO BE A SUM TOTAL.

THESE ARE JUST. NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. OKAY. BUT STILL, WHEN WE GO FURTHER.

I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT I MEAN. EXPLAIN TO ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A WORKFORCE UNIT, YOUR 1700 AND THE MARKET RATE.

SO WORKFORCE UNIT, BASICALLY ANYTHING UNDER 80%.

SO THAT'S THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE TAX CREDIT PROGRAM.

YOU REALLY NEED TO GET UNDER 60% THAT THEY HAVE TO AVERAGE 60% OR BELOW UNITS.

AND SO THERE COULD BE A WORKFORCE UNIT TAKEN OUT.

SO BUT IT'S NOT CUMULATIVE. RIGHT. SO YOU'VE TAKEN OUT EVERYTHING THAT'S 60% OR LOWER.

AND SO YOU'RE SAYING IT'S BETWEEN THE 80% AND THE 60% BAND.

YOU'RE JUST USING THAT SMALL BAND. CORRECT. SO WE HAVE SOME PROPERTIES THAT WERE FINANCED WITH A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PRODUCT THAT WASN'T LIGHTTECH, THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED WORKFORCE UNITS. NOW AGAIN, THESE AREN'T MEANT TO BE A, A SUM TOTAL.

IT'S JUST WHAT, WHAT KIND OF CATEGORY DO WE SERVE? IT'S JUST ILLUSTRATIVE OF THE ENTIRE PORTFOLIO.

AND SO FOR THE MARKET RATE, ARE YOU NOT CONSIDERING INCOME AT ALL? OR YOU'RE JUST I MEAN, SO THE MARKET RATE UNITS HAS TO BE 100%.

THE MARKET RATE UNITS ARE JUST UNITS THAT DO NOT HAVE A RESTRICTION ON THEM.

OKAY, SO LET ME GO TO SLIDE NUMBER NINE. SO WE JUST WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW YOU HAVE 28 IN OPERATION. BUT THEN ON SLIDE NINE YOU SAY OF THE 35 PROPERTIES IN THE PORTFOLIO.

SO WHAT ARE THE 35? SO THESE THESE 35 PROPERTIES ARE THE ONES LISTED IN THE TABLE.

BUT HOW MANY OF THE 35 YOU SAY ONLY 28 ARE IN OPERATION.

CORRECT. SO SOME OF SOME OF THEM ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

OKAY. BUT SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THE MATH DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE YOU'RE INCLUDING PROPERTIES TO SHOW THAT WHILE THE SUBSIDY PER UNIT AND ESPECIALLY PER MONTH PER UNIT IS VERY LOW, BUT SOME OF THEM ARE NOT OCCUPIED TODAY, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING THROUGH RENOVATION OR YEAH, SOME, SOME OF THEM ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH IT WOULDN'T BE IN OPERATION, THAT WILL BE IN OPERATION OVER THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO.

SO BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE USING THE MATH TO INCLUDE THOSE UNITS TO DIVIDE BECAUSE THERE'S A REAL TAX EXEMPTION ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE PROPERTIES.

SO WE WANT TO BE AS ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE WHEN WHEN LOOKING AT THE TAX EXEMPTIONS. THAT IS NOT ACCURATE.

IT IS MISLEADING. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT BASED ON THE ACTUAL UNIT UNITS IN OPERATION, THE 28 NOT INCLUDING ONES THAT ARE. SURE WE CAN. WE CAN GET THAT FOR YOU. THE, THE KEY ITEM FOR FIRST OF ALL, I THINK DALLAS HOUSING CORPORATION IS DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB, A NECESSARY JOB AND WHAT YOU SHOULD BE SUPER PROUD OF WHEN YOU LOOK AT SLIDE SEVEN, AND YOU LOOK AT HOW MANY UNITS WE HAVE AT 60% AND 50% AMI, THIS IS LITERALLY DOING THE WORK THAT IT WAS INTENDED TO DO.

AND I DO THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE WITHOUT HOUSING IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS PROGRAM.

AND THE PUBLIC BENEFIT IN THIS PROGRAM, I THINK IS VERY SIGNIFICANT.

THE COMMENT YOU MADE ABOUT THE BANKS BEING ONE OF THE OVERSIGHT BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING AT THESE DEALS, THEY MOST CERTAINLY ARE, BUT THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE DEAL FROM WILL THIS DEVELOPER MAKE MONEY? THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO GUARANTEE A LOAN.

THEY ARE NOT LOOKING AT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

AND IS THIS A GOOD USE OF OUR TAX DOLLARS BECAUSE WE ARE TAKING MONEY AWAY FROM PEOPLE WHO LITERALLY MIGHT BE MAKING LESS THAN THE PEOPLE WE'RE GOING TO SUBSIDIZE. WE'RE TAKING THEIR TAX DOLLARS TO SUBSIDIZE OTHER PEOPLE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO BE LOOKING AT.

AND SO TO SAY THAT THE BANK IS LOOKING AT IT, MAYBE FOR CONTINUITY OF SERVICE.

THAT'S A FAIR COMMENT, BUT IT'S NOT FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE.

AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE IMPETUS OF THE CORPORATION IS TO CONTINUE AND TO KEEP DOING MORE AND MORE AND MORE.

BUT THE POLICY POSITION OF THE CITY SHOULD BE, IS THIS A JUDICIOUS USE OF OUR TAX DOLLARS TO GIVE UP THIS EXEMPTION? AND I WILL SAY FOR THE HFC, LARGELY IT IS. I MEAN, I THINK SO, BUT I JUST HAVE TO QUALIFY WITH SOME OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THE OTHER THING THAT IS WOEFULLY MISSING IN THIS PRESENTATION IS EVERYTHING ABOUT THE TRAVELING HFCS.

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I HAVE GOTTEN A REPORT. I'M SURE MANY OF YOU HAVE OVER 280 ADDITIONAL.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUR 28 THAT ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING.

THAT WOULD BE 10% OF WHAT COULD BE THE UNIVERSE.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S AN ONGOING ISSUE. BUT ACCORDING TO RECENT.

HEY, AARON, THAT THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS PRESENTATION.

AND THAT'S THE TRAVELING AGENCIES ARE ALSO PENDING CONVERSATIONS WITH LITIGATION AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

WELL, IT IS PART OF THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT TAX EXEMPTIONS.

AND WE ARE NOT RECEIVING TAXES ON A MASSIVE NUMBER OF PROPERTIES.

UNDERSTOOD. BUT FOR THE DALLAS HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION, THEY'RE NOT PARTICIPATING IN THE TRAVELING HFC PROGRAM.

I UNDERSTAND, BUT I WOULD HAVE LIKED SOME SORT OF NOTE IN HERE THAT SAID, HEY, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE REPORTING FROM THE CORPORATION, WHICH IS WHY I VERY OFTEN AND IT'S ACTUALLY BACK TO THE GOVERNANCE.

YOU HAVE YOUR OWN AGENDA AND IT'S A GOOD AGENDA, BUT YOU, THOR, ACTUALLY REPORT INTO THE THE COUNCIL AND IT SHOULD HAVE SAID, BY THE WAY, IN ADDITION TO THESE, YOU HAVE A MASSIVE TAX EXEMPTION ISSUE WITH THE TRAVELING.

IT HAS TO BE PART OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT.

UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO THEN BACK TO THE SUMMARY.

THE THE NUMBER OF YEARS. YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN ONGOING PROBLEM IN MY MIND IS THAT YOU'RE GIVING AN EXEMPTION FOR PROPERTIES THAT WON'T LAST AS LONG AS THE EXEMPTION, THOSE BUILDINGS WON'T STILL BE STANDING IN 75 YEARS.

AND HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY? I MEAN, WHAT IS ESSENTIALLY A FOREVER EXEMPTION WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PROPERTY WILL BECOME? THANK YOU. IT'S A VALID QUESTION, AND I THINK WHAT GIVES ME COMFORT IS THAT BY PARTNERING WITH THESE PROPERTIES AS A PARTNER, WE ARE THE GENERAL PARTNER OF THE OWNERSHIP.

AND SO THAT GIVES US CERTAIN POWER TO REGULATE WHAT HAPPENS AT THE PROPERTY ITSELF.

NOW, IF WE SEE THAT SOMETHING BAD IS HAPPENING, WE CAN TAKE ACTION.

WE CAN COORDINATE VERY QUICKLY WITH THE CITY, WITH CODE COMPLIANCE WITH CEO IF NEED BE.

IF THEY WANT TO OPEN UP A COMMUNITY PROSECUTION, AND ALSO, AS LONG AS WE ARE IN THE PARTNERSHIP, WE REQUIRE THAT A CERTAIN LEVEL OF SERVICE BE RETAINED AT THOSE PROPERTIES.

NOW, I KNOW THERE ARE ISSUES WITH PREVIOUS ITERATIONS OF THE TAX CREDIT PROGRAM AND WHAT'S HAPPENED, BUT TO DATE, ALL OF OUR PROPERTIES ARE UNDER VERY STRICT MONITORING AND WE STRIVE TO MAKE AND DO GOOD WORK.

AND SO OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A RISK ANY ANY REAL ESTATE VENTURE IS A RISK.

AND ANY KIND OF INVESTMENT IS A RISK, RIGHT? BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE GETTING FOR EVEN THOSE INITIAL 30 YEARS IS VERY VALUABLE TO YOUR RESIDENTS.

AND SO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN 30 YEARS? I HAVE NO IDEA.

RIGHT. I CAN'T TELL YOU. I CAN'T PROMISE YOU ANYTHING.

BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE GUARDRAILS IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT IF SOMETHING DOES GO AWRY, WE WILL HAVE AN ABILITY TO REMEDY THAT AND TO PUT PRESSURE ON ON WHOEVER IS NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STANDARD OF SERVICE IS, IS AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL. I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT.

BUT AGAIN, YOU WORK FOR THE CORPORATIONS, NOT FOR THE CITY'S INTEREST.

AND THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT THING. AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, BACK TO THE GOVERNANCE MODEL.

IT'S EXACTLY WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE A CITY PERSON THERE, BECAUSE WHAT YOU FIND TO BE TROUBLING OR PROBLEMATIC IS ABOUT WHAT IMPACTS THE CORPORATION. BUT WHAT I MAY FIND IS ABOUT WHAT IMPACTS THE CITY.

AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHY WE MUST HAVE THAT, IN MY OPINION.

SO OF THE 14 THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION THAT YOU HAVE ON PAGE SEVEN, HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE LEOTECH? I AM PRETTY SURE ALMOST ALL OF THEM ARE LIGHTTECH UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW. YEAH.

WOW. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE HFC SIDE? NO. LET'S MOVE TO THE PFC. THANK YOU. IT'S SLIDE TEN, I BELIEVE.

OKAY. MOVING ON WITH THE PFC. OKAY, GREAT. WE HAVE 19 TOTAL PROPERTIES.

12 AND LEASE UP SEVEN UNDER CONSTRUCTION. ABOUT 3800 UNITS.

AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE SERVING VARIOUS DIFFERENT AMIS.

FOR THE MOST PART, THE PFC PROPERTIES. THEY HAVE 50% OF THEM ARE RESERVED FOR UNRESTRICTED MARKET RATE UNITS.

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BUT FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S 60 AND 80%. AM I RESTRICTED UNITS? NOW AGAIN, THIS IS THIS IS RELATIVELY RECENT.

THE PFC HAS BEEN GOING SINCE ABOUT 2020. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LEARNING AS, AS YOU ARE AS TO THE LIFE CYCLES OF THESE THINGS, BUT THE PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTIONS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IS 60 YEARS.

I KNOW IT USED TO BE 75 YEARS, BUT THEY'VE, THEY'VE REDUCED IT TO 60 YEARS WITH THE STATE STATUTE AMENDMENT ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.

MOVING ON HERE TO SLIDE 13. LOOKS LIKE ABOUT $385,000 A YEAR IN ACTUAL TAXES IS FORGONE.

AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S FOR THE ENTIRE PORTFOLIO.

YEAH. SO IF IF YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS. OKAY.

WHO'S GOT PLC QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER WILSON.

THANK YOU. AS WE LOOK AT OUR NUMBERS OF THE HOUSING WE NEED, IT SEEMS LIKE IT FALLS REALLY IN THAT 50 TO 60% AMI AND BELOW CATEGORY, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT WHAT PFC IS ABOUT.

I WOULD, I WOULD ADD, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE MAXIMUM THAT THEY CAN MAKE.

SO IN ANY GIVEN PFC PROJECT, AT LEAST 10% OF THE UNITS HAVE TO SERVE THOSE EARNING 60% OR BELOW.

SO THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THOSE EARNING 50% AREN'T RENTING THOSE UNITS.

NOW THE GOAL IS TO GET THOSE THOSE ARMY NUMBERS AS LOW AS POSSIBLE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, DUE TO THE FINANCIAL CONSTRAINTS AND 50% BEING AT MARKET AND NOT BEING ABLE TO USE TAX CREDITS IN THE PLC PROGRAM FOR THE MOST PART, THOSE RENTS ARE SET AT THOSE LEVELS, BUT FOLKS WHO ARE EARNING 50% OR BELOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN'T APPLY AND LIVE THERE, ALBEIT THEY'LL BE SPENDING A GREATER AMOUNT OF THEIR MONTHLY INCOME ON RENT.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY AREN'T SERVED NOW.

YOU KNOW, IDEALLY WE CAN WE CAN GET THOSE AMIDES LOWER.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME CONSTRAINTS JUST.

WELL, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS THE THINKING ON YOUR PART ON THE BOARD'S PART.

BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOK AT WHERE THESE NUMBERS FALL, IT'S JUST NOT AS MANY ON THAT SIDE OF THE FENCE.

AND WHEN I READ THE DETAIL OF HOW MANY UNITS FIT INTO THE BAND, WHERE THE CITY NEEDS IT THE MOST YOU KNOW, IT'S A FEWER IN THERE BECAUSE THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT.

BUT SOMETIMES IT'S, YOU KNOW, SIX UNITS OR SOMETHING.

WELL, OKAY, YEAH, THAT'S BETTER THAN NOTHING, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY HELP ADVANCE THE BALL.

AND SO I UNDERSTAND YOU'VE GOT CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS, BUT EVEN IF THOSE NUMBERS COULD BE A LITTLE MORE MALLEABLE.

TO WHERE IT COULD PUSH A LITTLE MORE. IT'S CERTAINLY GOING TO HELP THE CITY OF DALLAS AND OUR RESIDENTS WHO ARE IN THOSE INCOME BANDS, YOU KNOW, BE HOUSED INSTEAD OF EVICTED OR ON THE STREET OR YOU KNOW, ANYTHING ELSE.

SO I, I MEAN, DO YOU SEE FLEXIBILITY? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD YOU COULD PUT ON AN AGENDA SO THAT WE CAN SERVE THE NEED MORE.

EACH, EACH DEAL THAT WE, EACH PROPOSAL THAT WE LOOK AT, WE TRY AS HARD AS WE CAN AS, AS A STAFF TO NEGOTIATE WITH, WITH THE DEVELOPER. I MEAN, THERE'S TWO PARTS OF IT, RIGHT? THE DEVELOPER HAS A PROPOSAL AND THEY'RE PROPOSING THE MINIMUMS JUST BECAUSE FINANCIALLY, WHEN YOU RESTRICT THE THE APARTMENT REVENUE TO LOWER LEVELS, THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH REVENUE TO OPERATE THE PROPERTY.

RIGHT. BUT WE TRY TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR THESE TAX EXEMPTIONS, RIGHT? WE TAKE THIS JOB VERY SERIOUSLY. EVEN THOUGH WE'RE SERVING THE CORPORATION, THE CORPORATION SERVES THE WILL OF THE CITY.

AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS BENEFITING THE PUBLIC, NOT JUST THE CORPORATION.

SO WHEN WE'RE NEGOTIATING OUR PARTNERSHIP DOCUMENTS WITH THE DEVELOPERS, WE TRY TO GET THOSE EMI LEVELS LOWER IF POSSIBLE.

NOW, OFTENTIMES, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST CAN'T GET THE NUMBERS TO WORK, RIGHT.

IT'S IT CAN BE A MATH PROBLEM, BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN, WE GET THOSE AS LOW AS POSSIBLE.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON, ON WAYS TO REDUCE THE COST OF CAPITAL TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT EVEN MORE IN THE FUTURE.

AND I THINK AS WE GROW AND AS OUR PORTFOLIO GROWS AND AS WE GET MORE REVENUE FROM OPERATIONS, I THINK WE CAN USE A LOT OF THAT MONEY TO GO BACK AND PUT IT BACK INTO THE PROPERTIES AND REACH THOSE LOWER EMI LEVELS.

BUT RIGHT NOW, THAT'S A GOOD THAT SPEAKS TO THE REINVESTMENT OF THAT, THAT REVENUE THAT GENERATES. SO I JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT AS THAT BOARD IS LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD, SOME GOALS AND MAYBE SHIFTING SOME PRIORITY TO GETTING A FEW MORE OF THOSE UNITS IN THERE TO HELP US ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS EQUATION ALONG WITH THAT HFC.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. GRACEY. YEAH, I'LL SEND A LIST OF MY QUESTIONS TO STAFF THERE.

BUT JUST ALONG THOSE SAME COMMENTS WITH THE USE FROM THE REVENUE TO ADDRESS THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT REVENUE ACTUALLY PUTTING INTO

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SO WE COULD REPLACE WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. IT'S A GREAT COMMENT ABOUT THE USE OF FUNDS FOR THESE. COUNCIL MEMBER BLAIR OKAY, SO I HAVE JUST A FEW THINGS.

ON YOUR SLIDE TEN, YOU STATE IT DIFFERENTLY. TOTAL PROPERTIES FOR THE HFC.

YOU SAID YOU HAVE 28 IN OPERATION HERE. YOU SAY YOU HAVE 12 AND LEASE UP.

WHY DON'T YOU EXPLAIN WHAT LEASE UP MEANS. YES.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. SO AGAIN, THE PFC IS A VERY NEW PROGRAM.

AND SO FOR THE MOST PART, WE ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES HAVE EITHER JUST FINISHED CONSTRUCTION OR ARE IN THE PROCESS OF FINISHING THAT CONSTRUCTION.

NOW THERE ARE FOLKS LIVING THERE, BUT THEY'RE NOT FULLY LEASED UP.

WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE FULLY LEASED UP IS ABOUT 90% OCCUPIED.

AND SO IT TAKES 18 MONTHS TO TWO YEARS. ONCE YOU FINISH CONSTRUCTION AND YOU GET YOUR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR ALL THE NEW BUILDINGS.

TO GET EVERYONE WITH A LEASE SIGNED AND QUALIFIED AND INTO THE BUILDING.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN CHANGE THAT TO IN OPERATION IF YOU WOULD LIKE, BUT SOME OF THEM ARE IN ACTIVE LEASE UP WHERE IT JUST MEANS THAT THEY FINISHED CONSTRUCTION AND THEY'RE TRYING TO GET TO A STABILIZED POPULATION AT THE SITE.

SO NEXT MONTH THOR, IF WE COULD HAVE A PRESENTATION OR AT LEAST A MEMO THAT ACTUALLY SHOWS THE OCCUPANCY FOR ALL OF THE DHS.

I'M SORRY. THE D, H, C AND PFC PROPERTIES. LET'S LOOK AT THAT FOR BOTH. SURE. FOR EACH ONE. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO THE NEXT THING I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO IS SLIDE 12.

YOU AGAIN ARE SAYING THAT THERE'S 19 PROPERTIES AND WHAT THE ACTUAL TAXES FORGONE.

BUT OF COURSE SEVEN OF THOSE ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

SO AGAIN, IF YOU COULD REDO THOSE NUMBERS FOR ONES THAT ACTUALLY HAVE RESIDENTS LIVING IN THERE, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT REFLECTIVE IN THE MATH OF WHAT THE ACTUAL TAXES FORGONE ON, BECAUSE THOSE ARE NOT EVEN OPERATIONAL YET.

OKAY. THE, THE NEXT ONE I WANT TO SAY IS THE, THE STARK DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU COMBINE WHEN YOU COMPARE THE PFC. AND SO THIS IS SLIDE TEN. AGAIN, 60% OF THE UNITS 252 ARE AT 60% AMI OR LESS.

THAT'S 6.5% OF YOUR PORTFOLIO ON THE PFC SIDE, 6.5%.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK OVER AT THE THE HFC, 79% OF THE UNITS ARE 60%.

AMI. THAT'S WHY I SAY THE HFC IS A GOOD VALUE FOR US.

WE'RE GETTING PEOPLE WHO ARE AT THE LOWEST BANDS STABILIZED HOUSING SECURE WITH THIS ABATEMENT.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PFC, 6.5% OR 60% OR LESS, THIS IS NOT A GOOD USE IN MY OPINION.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE 50% AMI, IT'S EVEN WORSE.

THE HFC 11.5% OF THE UNITS ARE 50% AMI. THAT'S PRETTY GOOD BECAUSE THAT'S A HARD THAT'S A HARD AREA TO STABILIZE. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PFC, YOU'VE GOT 22 UNITS.

IT'S A HALF OF 1%. IT'S TRULY NOT HELPING THAT AREA.

THOSE RESIDENTS. AND SO I JUST THINK WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT WE HAVE LIMITED NUMBERS OF PROPERTIES WE OUGHT TO BE GIVING AN EXEMPTION TO BECAUSE WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO KEEP EXEMPTING PROPERTY AFTER PROPERTY AFTER PROPERTY.

THIS IS OUR REVENUE PROBLEM FOR THE CITY, AND WE HAVE TO BE STRATEGIC OF WHAT WE GIVE AN EXEMPTION TO AND WHO WE CAN HELP. AND HELPING THIS 80% OR MARKET RATE MORE, I MEAN, MORE THAN HALF THE UNITS ARE MARKET RATE.

THIS IS NOT WHO NEEDS AN EXEMPTION. THEY LITERALLY CAN PAY THE MARKET.

SO I APPRECIATE THESE NUMBERS. I THINK THEY NEED TO BE REDONE TO SHOW ONLY THE OPERATIONAL INFORMATION.

SO IF SLIDE 12 AND SLIDE NINE CAN BE REDONE AND SHARED WITH US, I'D APPRECIATE THAT.

WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH A MEMO OR IT'S THROUGH NEXT MONTH IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK AND REDO THAT.

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SORRY, I'M HAVING TO KEEP DOING THIS. I'M GOING TO SKIP OVER D FOR A MINUTE BECAUSE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF BRIEFING MEMOS THAT ARE VERY SPECIFIC ON TIMELINESS.

AND THE FIRST ONE IS FAIR HOUSING. THIS IS F FAIR HOUSING MONTH IS COMING FOR APRIL. I'M SORRY, IS THAT F IT'S E I APOLOGIZE IT'S E.

AND SO IT'S A IT'S A VERY NICE PRESENTATION. I DO HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS.

WELL, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. BUT DO YOU WANT TO SAY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT FAIR HOUSING AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND WHAT'S COMING WITH FAIR HOUSING MONTH? HI. YES. THORAX AND DIRECTOR, HOUSING, COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT. APRIL'S FAIR HOUSING MONTH. IT HAS BEEN FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND PLEASED TO BE JOINED HERE BY OUR FAIR HOUSING ADMINISTRATOR, COREY LIVINGSTON, WHO CAN TELL US ABOUT THE EVENTS THAT HE HAS PLANNED.

IT'S A CONTINUATION OF THE PAST FEW YEARS, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL GET COLLATERAL ON THE INVITES.

BUT COREY, PLEASE SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S EXPECTED FOR FAIR HOUSING MONTH. SURE.

COREY LIVINGSTON FAIR HOUSING ADMINISTRATOR AS WE HAVE STATED, APRIL AS FAIR HOUSING MONTH WE HAVE A NUMBER OF, OF EVENTS THAT WE HAVE PLANNED TO SHARE FAIR HOUSING WITH THE COMMUNITY FROM A VISIBILITY STANDPOINT AND ALSO FROM A COMMUNITY IMPACT STANDPOINT AS WELL.

WE ARE RELAUNCHING OUR FAIR HOUSING PSA. WHICH THE DIVISION WILL RELAUNCH ITS FAIR HOUSING PUBLIC SERVICE ADMINISTRATION ANNOUNCEMENT.

IS THAT MY MICROPHONE? I'M SORRY. OKAY. COREY, WOULD YOU MIND REFERENCING THE PAGE? OH, I SEE IT'S THERE, BUT IT'S IT'S PAGE NUMBER FOUR OF YOUR MEMO.

CORRECT? SURE. SO PAGE FOUR OF THE MEMO TALKS ABOUT THE EVENTS THAT WE WILL BE OFFERING FOR FAIR HOUSING MONTH. ITEM NUMBER ONE IS THE FAIR HOUSING PSA NEEDS TIME.

ITEM NUMBER TWO IS THE MORE, YOU KNOW, MONDAY'S CAMPAIGN WHICH IS A WEEKLY MONTH LONG EDUCATIONAL SERIES THAT WILL PROVIDE RESIDENTS AND STAFF WITH TIMELY, FAIR HOUSING INFORMATION AND RESOURCES THROUGHOUT APRIL.

ITEM NUMBER THREE IS THE FAIR HOUSING TRIVIA.

THURSDAY'S INTERACTIVE TRIVIA ACTIVITIES ARE DESIGNED TO STRENGTHEN COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDING OF FAIR HOUSING LAWS.

AND THEN ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WALK SCHEDULED FOR APRIL 19TH, WHERE STAFF WILL BE WILL JOIN IN THOSE EFFORTS AND THEN ALSO BE AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THE COMMUNITY CONCERNING THEIR FAIR HOUSING RIGHTS.

AND THEN ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS GOING TO BE AN ONGOING EFFORT TO PARTNER WITH 311 CC ON THEIR CALENDAR OF EVENTS. BE PRESENT FOR THOSE EVENTS. SET UP A TABLE TABLE FOR THOSE EVENTS AND PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THE COMMUNITY CONCERNING THEIR FAIR HOUSING RIGHTS.

THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS ON FAIR HOUSING? OKAY. HOW MANY PEOPLE WORK IN THE DEPARTMENT AND WHAT'S THE DEPARTMENT BUDGET? WE HAVE AROUND 260 TOTAL STAFF AND HOUSING. COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT AND FAIR HOUSING.

IN FAIR HOUSING. THERE ARE. THERE ARE SEVEN CURRENTLY WORKING.

ACTIVE IN FAIR HOUSING, WITH A TOTAL OF TEN. SO WE HAVE THREE VACANT POSITIONS.

AND DO YOU HAVE THE BUDGET BROKEN OUT BY JUST FAIR HOUSING? I DON'T HAVE THAT WITH ME TODAY, BUT I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH YOU. OKAY.

THANK YOU. AND THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT THE INVESTIGATIONS THAT WERE DONE, THERE WERE 622 INCIDENT REPORTS TO FAIR HOUSING AND 73 HAD FORMAL INVESTIGATIONS. AND THEN YOU'RE SAYING ONLY SEVEN OF THE 73 THAT WERE INVESTIGATED HAD CAUSED RECOMMENDATIONS.

IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND THEN OF THE SEVEN THAT HAD CAUSED RECOMMENDATIONS HOW MANY WERE LEVIED A FINE OR ENTERED INTO A SETTLEMENT. RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

SO WITH REGARDS TO THE CAUSE RECOMMENDATIONS, THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS GO TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

FROM THERE, OUR CITY ATTORNEYS WILL WEIGH THE RECOMMENDATION AND THEN DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT TO FILE CIVIL ACTION.

OF THOSE SINCE OCTOBER, THERE'S BEEN TWO THAT WERE CIVIL ACTION HAS BEEN FILED AND THEY'RE STILL PENDING IN COURT.

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AND PURSUING THOSE INVESTIGATIONS FOR LAST YEAR.

HOW MANY INVESTIGATIONS WENT FORWARD? I'M NOT PREPARED WITH THAT DATA AT THIS TIME.

WELL, WE'LL JUST ASSUME FOR NEXT MONTH WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO SEE OVER TIME, MULTIPLE YEARS.

THIS EXACT INFORMATION ABOUT HOW MANY INCIDENT REPORTS, HOW MANY WENT TO A FORMAL INVESTIGATION, AND THEN HOW MANY WENT TO UP TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO PURSUE AND WHAT THE OUTCOME WAS, BOTH IN TERMS OF IF THERE WAS A SETTLEMENT AND WHAT THAT AMOUNT WAS, IF THERE WAS A LAWSUIT, IF WE WON OR LOST AND WHAT THAT JUDGMENT WOULD HAVE BEEN.

I AM CONCERNED THAT WE ARE NOT BEING AGGRESSIVE ENOUGH ON FAIR HOUSING.

AND I THINK THERE ARE OTHER ENTITIES THAT ARE DOING FAR MORE THAN WE ARE TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS A FAIRNESS IN HOUSING.

AND I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE TAKING IT SERIOUSLY ENOUGH.

AND SO I'M GLAD THAT YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE ACTIVITIES FOR FAIR HOUSING MONTH.

I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. HOW MANY TIMES DID WE GO OUT IN THE COMMUNITY LAST YEAR? I DID NOT BRING THOSE NUMBERS FROM MY MEMORY.

IT WAS ROUGHLY OKAY. WELL, I MEAN, I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR HOW MANY OF THESE EDUCATIONAL EVENTS THAT YOU'RE INCLUDING FOR THE OUTREACH THAT'S HAPPENING FOR FAIR HOUSING MONTH.

HOW MANY EDUCATIONAL EVENTS DID WE HAVE EITHER CALENDAR YEAR FOR 2025 OR FISCAL YEAR FOR 25? AND LIKE, HOW MANY OF THOSE WERE TO THE RESIDENTS TO LET THEM KNOW, HERE'S HOW YOU CAN CONTACT US IF YOU FEEL YOU'RE BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST.

AND ALSO, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THE INDUSTRY TO MAKE SURE THEY KNOW YOU CANNOT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST FAMILIES, AGAINST PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, PEOPLE BASED ON RACE, RELIGION.

I MEAN, WE NEED BOTH SIDES OF THAT EQUATION TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LAWS ARE AND THAT WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT ENFORCING THEM.

AND SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT TODAY, THAT'S FINE.

THIS, THIS IS SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON.

AND I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF WHAT IS THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY.

MY RECOLLECTION IS THIS IS FUNDED FEDERALLY, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. SURE. I MEAN, WE'RE TASKED WITH ENSURING THIS HAPPENS AND THAT DISCRIMINATION LAWS ARE CARRIED OUT.

AND SO AGAIN, I REALLY LOVE SEEING ON PAGE FOUR OF THE MEMO, ALL OF THE ACTIVITIES YOU HAVE, BUT THAT CAN'T BE IT. LIKE WE HAVE TO DO MORE THAN THAT BECAUSE I REALLY DO THINK THERE IS AN ISSUE HERE.

AND I THINK IT'S HAPPENING ALL OVER THE CITY.

YEAH. THANK YOU CHAIR. AND IN OUR YEARLY UPDATE THAT WE PRESENTED, I BELIEVE IN FEBRUARY, WE HAD A WHOLE LISTING OF THE FAIR HOUSING DIVISION'S OUTREACH EFFORTS FROM LAST FISCAL YEAR, AND WE CAN RESEND THAT AROUND IN TERMS OF TOTAL EVENTS CITYWIDE.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL WORK ON IN OUR NEXT QUARTERLY UPDATE IS CONNECTING THOSE OUTREACH EVENTS AND THE TOPICS THAT WERE COVERED COMPARED TO THE ACTIVITY THAT THE FAIR HOUSING TEAM MIGHT SEE. SO WE CAN SHOW HOW THE BENEFIT OF OUTREACH IS CONNECTED TO SERVICE.

WELL, I'LL JUST SAY IT THIS WAY. THIS IS A TOPIC I HAVE BEEN PASSIONATE ABOUT BEFORE I WAS ON COUNCIL, AND I HAVE YET TO HEAR OF AN OUTREACH ACTIVITY HAPPENING IN MY DISTRICT.

I HAVEN'T BEEN CONTACTED TO HELP PROMOTE IT TO MY RESIDENTS.

I HAVE A MASSIVE 65% OF MY DISTRICT PLUS IS MULTIFAMILY.

I'M NOT SEEING THOSE KINDS OF ACTIVITIES HAPPEN IN THE NEARLY SEVEN YEARS I'M ON COUNCIL.

SO IF THEY ARE HAPPENING, I'M NOT SURE WE'RE HITTING THE RIGHT PEOPLE.

THEY ARE HAPPENING, CHAIR. AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR CHAMPIONING OF FAIR HOUSING, AND WE CERTAINLY WILL FOLLOW UP AND ENSURE THAT BY DISTRICT WE HAVE INFORMATION FOR YOUR NEWSLETTERS, ETC.

BUT IT CERTAINLY IS A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS, INCLUDING MULTIPLE REFERRALS FROM HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT IS HOW OUR FAIR HOUSING TEAM. BUT CERTAINLY WE CAN ALWAYS USE THE ADVOCACY AND CHAMPIONING OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO LET OUR RESIDENTS KNOW THAT WE HAVE THIS TEAM AVAILABLE TO TO ASSESS WHETHER OR NOT THEY DO MEET ONE OF THE CLAIMS UNDER THE FAIR HOUSING ACT.

OKAY. SO CONTINUING THE MONITORING OF THE CLOCK, WE'RE AT 1138.

[02:25:03]

I'VE JUST BEEN TALKING TO MY COLLEAGUES ABOUT SKIPPING THAT ITEM AND CALLING A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING IF WE CAN FIT IT IN BEFORE THE APRIL 1ST BRIEFING.

TO FURTHER DISCUSS IT. THE PROBLEM IS THAT ITEM NEEDS SO MUCH DISCUSSION.

AND I MEAN, LIKE THEORETICALLY, WE SHOULD HAVE JUST HAD A MEETING JUST FOR THAT, BUT THERE'S SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT AGAIN ARE TIMELY.

I'M GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM F. THIS IS AN UPDATE ON HOMELESS SERVICES.

THE REASON WHY IT'S ESSENTIAL THAT WE TALK ABOUT IT TODAY IS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE BACKGROUND, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POINT IN TIME COUNT AND THE NUMBERS THAT ARE COMING FORWARD.

DO YOU WANT TO SHARE ANYTHING ABOUT THIS? THANK YOU.

THIS MEMO STARTS TO CAPTURE THE ACTIVITY FROM THE OFFICE OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT PERSPECTIVE ON OUR CONTRACTS AND SERVICES AS A PARTNER IN THE CONTINUUM OF CARE. I THINK THE SHIFT IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS ON IS REALLY IMPORTANT, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE GROWING NEED OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE COUNTED, BUT ALSO THE CAPACITY OF OUR SHELTERS, THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SUPPORTIVE AND PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, AND TO HIGHLIGHT THE GOOD WORK THAT OUR PARTNERS ARE DOING IN THIS COLLABORATIVE SPIRIT SO THAT WE CAN TO EARLIER COMMENTS. ADDRESS THE GAPS.

ADDRESS SOME OF THE SERVICE NEEDS AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR PROCUREMENTS ARE GOING TO.

ADDRESS THE SITUATIONS FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS PERSPECTIVE WITHIN THAT ENTIRE CONTINUUM OF CARE.

WELL, I APPRECIATE IT. I THINK YOU DID A VERY GOOD JOB OF TALKING ABOUT THE KINDS OF SERVICES WE HAVE, WHERE THE FUNDING IS COMING FROM, WHO IT'S SERVING, HOW MANY IT'S SERVING.

IT WAS VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD. SO I WANT TO REALLY SAY THANK YOU ON THAT.

I DO WANT TO TAKE UMBRAGE WITH ONE SPECIFIC THING.

ON THE LAST PAGE OF PAGE THREE. THE LAST SENTENCE SAYS TODAY, 98% OF THE INDIVIDUALS REMAIN HOUSED.

WHAT I'D LIKE TO HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD NEXT MONTH IS A STATEMENT OF HOW WE MEASURE SUCCESS.

WHAT WE'RE ALLOWING IS EVERY NONPROFIT TO MAKE ITS OWN DEFINITION OF WHAT THEY THINK SUCCESS IS.

AND WE'VE SEEN NONPROFITS THAT HAVE HAD OUTSTANDING SUCCESS THAT GIVE THEMSELVES THE HIGHEST HURDLES IMAGINABLE.

MEANING IF THEY CAN'T CONTACT THE PERSON, THEY CONSIDER IT A FAILURE.

I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S ONE. IN THIS CASE, WE SEE A NONPROFIT THAT SAYS, WELL, IF THEY DON'T END UP BACK IN OUR EXACT SYSTEM, THEN WE'RE JUST ASSUMING THAT IT WAS SUCCESSFUL, WHICH IS ALSO REALLY AN OUTRAGEOUS STANDARD.

SO IF YOU CAN WORK TO PUT TOGETHER WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN IS INDUSTRY STANDARD ACROSS THE NATION FOR WHAT IS SUCCESS, I WOULD LIKE US THEN TO SET THAT GOAL THAT EVERY NONPROFIT IS REPORTING SUCCESS TO US WITH THAT SAME MEASUREMENT.

AND WE HAVE CONSISTENT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GETTING CONSISTENCY.

AND WE'RE THEN LOOKING AT SOME NONPROFITS IN ONE WAY AND SOME IN A DIFFERENT WAY, WHEN THAT'S NOT REALLY THEIR TRUE MEASURE OF THE IMPACT THEY'RE MAKING.

THERE'S ONLY ONE STATEMENT SAID THAT I JUST WANT TO SAY LIKE DIETING, LIKE QUITTING SMOKING.

MANY PEOPLE CANNOT END HOMELESSNESS. THE FIRST PASS, THEY CAN MAKE PROGRESS.

THEY MIGHT NOT BE ULTIMATELY SUCCESSFUL THE FIRST TIME.

AND I THINK ACROSS THE INDUSTRY, THAT IS A RECURRING THEME.

AND THEY MIGHT NEED THIS FROM THIS PROVIDER AND THEY GO ON TO ANOTHER ONE AND THEY GET THAT OTHER THING THAT ACTUALLY GETS THEM ACROSS THE LINE.

BUT IT MIGHT TAKE MORE THAN ONCE TO GET THERE.

AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT AN AGENCY SHOULD BE PENALIZED FOR NOT GETTING THEM ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FINISH LINE ON THE FIRST PASS, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE MEASURING WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO.

RIGHT. DID THEY HELP GET THEM EMPLOYED? DID THEY HELP GET THEM MED COMPLIANT? DID THEY HELP END ADDICTION, YOU KNOW, ADDICTION.

SO WE NEED TO BE ASKING THEM ALL THOSE KINDS OF INTERIM STEPS TOWARDS STABILITY AND INDEPENDENCE TO REALLY MEASURE THE SUCCESS OF THE VARIOUS PROGRAMS. BUT WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR YOU TO OFFER THAT SUGGESTION.

I'M HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT. I WILL ALSO NOTE ON PAGE FOUR THAT FAMILY GATEWAY WE HAVE, YOU'RE PUTTING IN HERE THAT WE'VE SPENT OVER $3 MILLION ON IMPROVEMENTS TO THE BUILDING, WHICH ARE REPAIRS AND THAT THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY BECAUSE THE CITY DID NOT PROPERLY INSPECT THAT BUILDING WHEN IT WAS PURCHASED.

THIS IS ANOTHER REAL ESTATE ISSUE OF NOT INSPECTING A BUILDING BEFORE IT WAS PURCHASED.

[02:30:03]

WE WERE TOLD THIS WOULD OPEN MARCH OF 2026. IS THAT NO LONGER TRUE? THAT IS NO LONGER TRUE. DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATED TIME? I DO NOT TODAY. THE DEVELOPER IS STILL SEEKING THE PROJECT BASED VOUCHERS.

THERE'S AN APPLICATION PENDING WITH DALLAS COUNTY, WI.

SINCE THIS WRITING OF THIS, WE ANTICIPATE AN UPDATE IN LATE APRIL, EARLY MAY.

IN TERMS OF THE AWARDING OF THAT ONCE WE UNDERSTAND IF THEY ARE AWARDED THE VOUCHERS, WE CAN MOVE INTO A CLOSING.

THE PROJECT IS PERMIT READY. SO AS SOON AS WE CAN GET THE PROJECT CLOSED, THEY CAN MOVE INTO CONSTRUCTION AND START THEIR REHAB RIGHT AWAY.

OKAY. WELL, I THINK I FORESHADOWED THAT THIS WOULD BE A PROBLEM, NUMBER ONE.

AND NUMBER TWO, I WILL SHOCKINGLY REMIND THE PUBLIC AND THE COMMITTEE THAT THIS PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED IN 2020, 2020. WELCOME TO 2026 AND HAS HELPED ZERO PEOPLE AND IS MORE THAN DOUBLE OVER BUDGET.

OKAY. FOR THE 4150 INDEPENDENCE PROPERTY. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION NEXT MONTH TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THIS. THIS IS SOMETHING THE ENTIRE COMMITTEE NEEDS TO BE PART OF.

AND THE LAST THING FOR THE BOND FUNDING SECTION, THE $8.5 MILLION FOR THE BRIDGE.

HAS THAT MONEY BEEN SPENT OR IS IT ON HOLD? I'M SORRY, MA'AM, COULD YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE BRIDGE ON THE VERY LAST PAGE? FIVE OF SIX. UNDER BOND FUNDING, IT SAYS THIS PROPOSITION INCLUDES 8.5 MILLION FOR THE BRIDGE AND SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.

HAS THAT MONEY BEEN SPENT OR ENCUMBERED, OR IS IT ON HOLD? THANK YOU. MY NAME IS GLORIA SANDOVAL, THE PROGRAM ADMINISTRATOR IN THE OFFICE OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT.

YES, MA'AM. YOU ALL THE COUNCIL APPROVED BACK IN THE FALL.

THE DESIGN PORTION FOR THE PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF THE GENERATOR PROJECT.

THEY'RE CURRENTLY IN THE DESIGN PHASE, WHICH WILL BE COMPLETED PROBABLY IN APRIL.

THE BOND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT OFFICE WILL BE COMING FORWARD TO YOU ALL AGAIN TO APPROVE.

THEN THE CONSTRUCTION PIECE, WHICH WILL START AS SOON AS YOU AWARD THE OR APPROVE THAT PORTION OF THE CONTRACT.

SO THAT CONTRACT IS READY TO GO. THERE IS ANOTHER PIECE OF IT THAT'S INVOLVING WE HAD TO RELOCATE THE DUMPSTERS BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO PUT THE GENERATOR WHERE THE DUMPSTERS CURRENTLY ARE.

SO WE'RE WORKING ON ALL THAT NOW. SO THAT IS ACTIVELY MOVING FORWARD WITH A PROJECTED COMPLETION DATE OF THE SPRING OF 27.

IT ALL DEPENDS ON HOW LONG IT'LL TAKE TO GET THE GENERATOR THERE.

THEY HAVE TO SOURCE THE GENERATOR AND HOW MUCH HAS BEEN SPENT ON THE DESIGN VERSUS THE ACTUAL BUILD OUT AND MECHANICAL.

THE DESIGN PORTION AND PRE-CONSTRUCTION WAS ABOUT 470 $480,000.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WHO ELSE HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT MEMO F COUNCIL MEMBER WILLS? SO I'M LOOKING UNDER THE SPECIAL INITIATIVE SAFE IN THE CITY.

AND IT SAYS THAT MORE THAN 250 INDIVIDUALS WERE HOUSED IN PARTNERSHIP WITH HOUSING FORWARD.

BUT I BELIEVE HOUSING FORWARD IS SAYING THEY'RE 1200 PEOPLE.

IS THAT I THINK I SAW DID I SEE SOMEONE FROM HOUSING FORWARD THAT IS THAT NUMBER RIGHT? OR CAN YOU CLARIFY? OH, THAT'S. I MEAN, THAT'S A BIG SWING.

SO I WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE REPORTING THINGS ACCURATELY.

AS SARAH COMES DOWN TO ANSWER THIS, OUR NUMBER REPORTED WAS FOR THE FIRST QUARTER.

SO THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL MONTHS COUNTED SINCE OUR REPORTING CRITERIA OF THE QUARTER ONE.

BUT SARAH, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ELABORATE, IT THROWS OUT THE 2024 TO 25.

SO THAT'S A BIGGER THAT'S BIGGER THAN A QUARTER. HI SARA KHAN, CEO OF HOUSING.

FORWARD. THE 250 NUMBER WAS THE ORIGINAL NUMBER OF THE ENCAMPMENTS THAT WERE CLOSED DOWNTOWN.

AND THEN SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, THAT WAS A $30 MILLION INVESTMENT THAT DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME HOUSED OVER 1200 PEOPLE.

OKAY. SO IT WASN'T INDIVIDUALS IN THIS. IT WAS ENCAMPMENTS, THAT NUMBER.

AND THEN THAT MEANT 1200 250 NUMBER WAS SPECIFICALLY FOR.

YEAH, THE ENCAMPMENTS THAT WERE CLOSED IN DOWNTOWN.

SO WE JUST NEED TO GET. YEAH. BETTER ABOUT MAKING SURE WE'VE GOT THAT.

OKAY. ON ON FAMILY GATEWAY. I MEAN, I AGREE THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, AWFUL THAT THOSE REPAIRS HAD TO BE MADE AND THAT THEY HAD TO WAIT AND ALL THAT.

[02:35:02]

SO I DON'T WANT TO MISCHARACTERIZE, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO COVER UP THE FACT THAT THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED MORE EXPEDITIOUSLY AND DID SHOW A GAP IN HOW THE CITY HANDLES BUSINESS SOMETIMES ON THE FORT WORTH AVENUE PROPERTY AND THE PROJECT BASED VOUCHERS.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE VOUCHER DELAY, THERE ARE SOME SYSTEMIC ISSUES.

I THINK THIS IS AT THE COUNTY OR I MEAN, BECAUSE CATHOLIC HOUSING INITIATIVE IS OUR PARTNER IN THAT.

RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO I MEAN, BECAUSE I'VE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THIS AND THEY'RE JUST AS FRUSTRATED AS ANYBODY ON THIS.

IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO WITH THE COUNTY TO STRESS HOW CRITICAL THIS IS THAT WE'VE HAD THIS PROPERTY AND THAT WE WANT TO GET PEOPLE INTO THIS THAT'S BEEN STRESSED. AND OVER THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, IT WAS REALLY WORKING WITH THEM TO UNDERSTAND THEIR TIME FRAME OF GETTING THEIR RFP OPEN.

TRADITIONALLY THESE VOUCHERS WOULD HAVE COME FROM DA, BUT DUE TO SOME FEDERAL CHANGES THERE WAS A SHORTAGE ON VOUCHERS AVAILABLE.

AND SO THIS WAS A SECONDARY OPTION WITH A LONGER TIME FRAME WITHIN THE SAME PERIOD OF THE CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE.

SO NOT CATHOLIC HOUSING, NOT THE CITY. IN THIS INSTANCE.

IT IS ABOUT THE FEDERAL CHANGES THAT THREW A STICK IN OUR SPOKES WITH GETTING PEOPLE INTO THAT PERMIT READY FACILITY.

SO OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT? OKAY. MOVING ON TO ITEM G. THIS IS A NEW GREAT REPORT.

KEVIN, YOU'VE BEEN SAYING THERE THE ENTIRE TIME.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? YOU DO? YES. COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS. THANK YOU.

I DO LIKE THIS ONE SHEET FORMAT. THIS IS REALLY GREAT FOR PEOPLE WHO GET A LOT OF DOCUMENTS ALL THE TIME TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THIS IN THIS FORMAT, BUT YOU REFERENCE 62 SHELTER HOUSING REFERRALS, AND THEN 17 LAW ENFORCEMENT REFERRALS.

CAN YOU DRILL DOWN ON THE LAW ENFORCEMENT REFERRALS? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION AND GOOD MORNING, COMMITTEE.

KEVIN OWEN I'M THE DIRECTOR OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND CRISIS RESPONSE.

A LAW ENFORCEMENT REFERRAL IS AT A SPECIFIC LOCATION WHERE EITHER FRONT END OUTREACH OR OUR TEAM OR BOTH HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO AFFECT THE BEHAVIOR CHANGE OF CAMPING, SLEEPING IN PUBLIC NUISANCE BEHAVIOR, ETC..

WHERE IT'S JUST NOT RETREAT ACHIEVED THROUGH EITHER PLACEMENT IN A SHELTER OR HOUSING OR OTHER SOCIAL SERVICE PLACE OR THROUGH JUST VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE. SO THEN WE MAKE THAT REFERRAL OVER AND WE'RE ASSISTED BY TYPICALLY DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.

OKAY. SO THAT HELPS US FRAME UP. IS THIS, WOULD YOU SAY THIS KIND OF AVERAGE, YOU KNOW, WEIGHT ON BOTH OF THESE? SO THIS IS, THIS IS MONTH FIVE OF COLLECTING THIS DATA.

WELL, WE'RE IN MONTH SIX, BUT THIS IS THE THE FIFTH ITERATION OF THIS REPORT.

AND THE NUMBER OF REFERRALS HAS GONE DOWN SINCE WE STARTED COLLECTING THIS DATA AND REPORTING IT, BUT HAVE, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE RATIO OF THE SHELTER HOUSING REFERRALS AND THEN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT REFERRALS.

SO THE SHELTER AND HOUSING PROVIDED HAS FLUCTUATED A BIT OVER THOSE MONTHS.

BUT I WOULD SAY ON BALANCE, THIS RATIO, YOU SEE, IS TYPICALLY STANDARD OF WHAT OUR TEAM ENCOUNTERS ON A DAILY BASIS.

OKAY. AND THEN GOING UP TO THE HAZMAT VENDORS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR SEVEN OF THE 51 ENCAMPMENT CLEANUPS, I MEAN, I ASSUME THIS IS LIKE NEEDLES OR WASTE OR WHATEVER, BUT THAT'S, I MEAN, A VENDOR WE HAVE TO CONTRACT WITH AND THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE.

CORRECT. SO MY DEPARTMENT MANAGES THOSE CONTRACTS.

WE HAVE THAT IN OUR BUDGET AS PART OF THE SANITATION FEE.

AND TYPICALLY THE NUMBER ONE THING WE SEE ARE PROPANE TANKS.

THOSE ARE THE NUMBER ONE THINGS THAT WE RUN INTO THAT THE TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS DOESN'T NECESSARILY HANDLE THOSE ITEMS, BUT THE HAZMAT VENDORS DO. OKAY. WELL, AND IN SEEING, THE NUMBER THAT'S 71 OF THE ENCAMPMENTS ARE ADJACENT OR WITHIN 300FT OF SCHOOLS OR NEIGHBORHOODS. THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT ABOUT PROPANE TANKS THAT HAD NOT BEEN ON MY RADAR, BUT THAT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU. WELL, YOU'RE LUCKY THAT PROPANE TANKS HAVEN'T BEEN ON YOUR RADAR, BECAUSE THEY CERTAINLY HAVE BEEN ON MINE, INCLUDING THE GIANT FIRE WE HAD FROM PROPANE TANKS THAT EXPLODED, BUT. OKAY, WHO'S GOT A QUESTION? COUNCIL MEMBER.

BAZALDUA. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO GO LIKE, PIGGYBACK ON THE QUESTIONING FROM THE LAW ENFORCEMENT REFERRALS.

[02:40:03]

DOES THIS HAPPEN TO INCLUDE THAT HOT TEAM INTERVENTION THAT DIDN'T CONTACT OUR HOUSING FORWARD TEAM PRIOR TO AND THAT THERE WASN'T THE LEAD IN TIME BECAUSE I ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIS TO BE PRETTY EYE OPENING WITH HOW IMPORTANT AND CRUCIAL THAT STEP THAT WAS MISSED IS IN THE PROCESS.

YEAH. SO I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK THROUGH EACH ONE OF THE REPORTS, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS AN OPEN ESSER FOR THAT LOCATION.

THAT WOULD HAVE LED TO ONE OF OUR SURVEYS BEING COMPLETED.

SO YOU MIGHT COUNT THAT AS AS 18, BUT THAT WAS A DIFFERENT EVENT THAN WHAT WE ARE TYPICALLY CAPTURING ON THIS.

THE OTHER THING I'D SAY IS THAT FROM THAT EVENT IN FEBRUARY AND FROM THE BRIEFING WE PROVIDED TO THIS COMMITTEE IN FEBRUARY, WE'VE, WE'VE GONE BACK SIGNIFICANTLY WITH HOUSING FORWARD SAT DOWN WITH DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS CHIEF ARTISTS, HAS BEEN HEAVILY INVOLVED AS WELL IN MAPPING OUT WHEN LAW ENFORCEMENT IS RESPONSIBLE ON THE BACK END.

THE TIME FRAMES THAT ARE NEEDED AND THE COMMUNICATION AND COORDINATION THAT'S NEEDED WITH HOUSING FORWARD ON THE FRONT END OF DOING THE HOUSING PLACEMENTS AND THE OUTREACH.

AND THEN WHAT CLOSURE DAY LOOKS LIKE THAT ENTIRE PROCEDURE HAS BEEN WRITTEN IN CONJUNCTION WITH ALL THREE BODIES AND IS UNDER REVIEW BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE NOW. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO, TO GETTING THAT DONE.

AND IF WE CAN PROVIDE TRANSPARENCY ON WHAT THOSE PROCESSES LOOK LIKE, WE'D BE HAPPY TO BRING THAT TO THIS COMMITTEE.

I DO APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU SAID, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I GOT MY ANSWER.

CAN YOU JUST WHERE WHERE IN THAT PARTICULAR INCIDENT DOES IT CROSS WITH WHAT THIS ONE PAGER ALLOWS? SO THIS ONE PAGER IS AN AGGREGATION OF ALL OF OUR.

YEAH, YEAH. SRS AND SURVEYS AND THINGS. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT PARTICULAR OPERATION WAS TIED TO A SPECIFIC SR.

SO I CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AND SEE IF THIS IS ONE OF THE 17 OR NOT.

HOWEVER, WHAT I, WHAT I'D SAY IS ON THE PROCESS SIDE, I MEAN, THERE WERE IMPROVEMENTS WE NEEDED TO MAKE.

WE RECOGNIZED THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT OUR FOCUS HAS BEEN OVER THE LAST 30 DAYS.

I DO APPRECIATE THAT. AND HOPE THAT THERE IS.

A BIGGER EMPHASIS PUT ON HUMANE. APPROACHES WHENEVER WE ARE DEALING WITH OUR UNSHELTERED.

I HOPE THAT I DON'T EVER HEAR ABOUT US ZIP TYING OUR UNSHELTERED RESIDENTS AND HAVING THEM ON THE STREET AS WE MUMBLE THROUGH THEIR PERSONAL BELONGINGS. I DON'T BELIEVE IT TO BE EFFECTIVE.

AND I THINK THAT THAT'S THE POINT THAT I'M MAKING, IS THAT THERE WAS NECESSARY STEPS THAT WERE MISSED, AND THAT'S WHAT RESULTED. AND WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THAT FOR WHAT IT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE PARTNERS IN CONTRACT FOR A REASON.

AND IT WAS VERY DISAPPOINTING TO SEE WHERE THAT LED TO.

SO I'M HOPING THAT WE SEE REPORTS IN FUTURE MONTHS THAT WILL BE ABLE TO MITIGATE THE NEED FOR AS MANY LAW ENFORCEMENT REFERRALS IF WE ARE REALLY FOLLOWING PROTOCOL.

AND I WOULD JUST ADD BRIEFLY SOME, SOME CONTEXT TO THAT NUMBER.

THE, THE NUMBER ONE AREA THAT WE MAKE REFERRALS IS TYPICALLY TO THE SOLO INDIVIDUAL THAT'S LIKE ON A BENCH OR IN, IN A VERY PUBLIC SPACE THAT WE CAN'T GET THEM TO WANT TO GO INTO HOUSING OR RELOCATE OR ANY TYPE OF OTHER POSITIVE. IT'S VERY RARELY ON THE ENCAMPMENT SIDE THAT WE HAVE TO DO ANY FURTHER.

IS IT ILLEGAL TO BE ON A BENCH? NO, NO, NO, WHAT I, WHAT I MEAN IS LIKE SLEEPING, CAMPING, ETC. IS A SOLO WHERE WE'RE UNABLE TO AFFECT GETTING THAT PERSON INTO SHELTER, HOUSING OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF ESTABLISHMENT AND THE PERSON IS VIOLATING, BUT THAT'S USUALLY A WEEKS LONG PROCESS IS THE POINT THAT I'M MAKING.

YES. THESE ARE NOT, I PASS BY THIS ONE PERSON SAY THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE POLICY OR PROCEDURE WE FOLLOW IS OKAY, IMMEDIATELY PASS IT TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. THAT IS NOT OUR OPERATIONS OR OUR PROCEDURE.

NO, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER BLAIR.

THANK YOU. CAN YOU GUYS PLEASE SHARE THE HOW THE COMPASSIONATE SIDE THAT'S THAT'S HANDLED THROUGH MR. ARMSTRONG IS DONE BEFORE YOU GET TO THE SIDE THAT THAT DOES THE REFERRALS.

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SO ONCE, SO IF WE HAVE LIKE SOMEONE THAT, THAT MR. BAZALDUA SPOKE OF THAT'S JUST SLEEPING ON THE STREET THAT'S DONE NORMALLY DONE THROUGH THE SESS TEAM.

IS THAT NOT CORRECT BEFORE IT GETS TO KNOW. NOT NOT NOT TYPICALLY.

I MEAN, MY, MY STAFF ARE REQUIRED. AND BY PROCEDURE, I MEAN, THE FIRST STEP IS ALWAYS ENGAGE, TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS LOCATION, WHAT IS DRAWN AND WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP YOU IMPROVE YOUR SITUATION.

AND IF THAT IS GETTING YOU TO SHELTER OR OTHER SOCIAL SERVICE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE MANDATE WE HAVE TO DO BEFORE ANY TYPE OF PUNITIVE COMES IN.

WHERE, OH, I DON'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT IT'S 12:00 AND I MISSED ONE MEETING ALREADY.

SO I'M TRYING TO GET TO MY NEXT TO THAT MEETING THAT I MISSED.

SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT GETTING TO THE HOT TEAM, YOU'VE DONE TYPICALLY, AND I SEE AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE MAY GO IN TOO HOT AT A LOCATION, BUT THAT'S THAT'S NOT YOUR STANDARD.

THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS OUT OF THE NORM.

CORRECT. CORRECT. SO THE, THE STANDARD THAT WE HAVE MAPPED OUT AGAIN WITH HOUSING.

FORWARD ON THE SAME MEETINGS AS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND MY STAFF IS BEFORE WE GET TO CLOSURE AND ENFORCEMENT OF LARGER ENCAMPMENTS, THERE HAS BEEN A 4 TO 6 WEEK PERIOD OF NO LAW ENFORCEMENT INTERVENTION, BUT INVESTMENT BY HOUSING FORWARD TO DO THE STREET TO HOME MODEL. AND THAT'S WHERE I REFERENCED IN FEBRUARY THAT WE WERE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE TAKING THE STREET TO HOME SUCCESS, WE HAD DOWNTOWN, TWO OTHER DISTRICTS WAS LEADING TOWARDS US, AND WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO THAT COMING INTO FRUITION AND OPERATING THAT MODEL CONTINUOUSLY. SO, SO THE MODEL THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF IS A MODEL THAT IS SUPPOSED THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO THAT IS SUSTAINABLE, AND SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CAN BE DONE CONSISTENTLY OVER THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE ENTIRE CITY.

CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. OKAY. I'M GOING TO SAY I THINK WE'RE STILL STRUGGLING WITH CLEARING ENCAMPMENTS AT KNOWN LONG STANDING LOCATIONS.

I'LL JUST THROW OUT CLAYTON LBJ. THERE'S A GIANT ENCAMPMENT ON THE TEXAS EXPRESS LANES FOREST AND CENTRAL BY THE DART RAIL STATION.

THERE'S AT LEAST A DOZEN PEOPLE DOWN THE CREEK.

THERE'S, THERE'S A NUMBER OF LOCATIONS LIKE THAT.

THERE'S ANOTHER ONE IN MY DISTRICT THAT'S COME BACK UP.

AND I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO I THINK WE CAN CLEAR THINGS.

I DON'T THINK WE CAN KEEP THEM CLEAR. AND I THINK WE'RE NOT DOING AS, AS WELL AS WE COULD ON THAT FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT REFERRALS.

LOOK AT 17 OF THE PLACES YOU WENT. HOW MANY OF THOSE INCLUDE THAT YOU DID A WARRANT SEARCH AND SOMEBODY CAME UP WITH A VIOLENT OUTSTANDING WARRANT? I'D HAVE TO GET THAT FROM DPD.

I APOLOGIZE. WELL, BUT WE KNOW THAT IS HAPPENING AS WELL.

SO OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT REPORT. I'M GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM H.

THESE ARE TWO ITEMS THAT I HAD ASKED TO BE PART OF OUR AGENDA.

ONE OF THEM IS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FUNDING OVERVIEW.

AND IN THE PAST, I HAVE SOMETIMES RATTLED OFF ALL THESE OTHER WAYS TO FUND PROJECTS BESIDES JUST HFC AND PFC.

AND GIVING THESE MASSIVE TAX ABATEMENTS. AND SO WHAT I'M HOPING TO DO IS HAVE IT IN WRITING SOMEWHERE SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN SEE ALL THESE DIFFERENT WAYS.

BECAUSE WHEN SOMEONE COMES TO THE CITY AND THEY WANT TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH WE LOVE THAT SPIRIT AND WE NEED IT.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO JUST BE ONE ANSWER. AND SO IT'S SORT OF LIKE WHEN PEOPLE ARE MAD THAT PEOPLE ARE DRIVING TOO FAST AND IMMEDIATELY THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAYS, WE NEED SPEED BUMPS. IT'S LIKE, WELL, YOU MIGHT NEED SOMETHING ELSE AND THERE MIGHT BE OTHER WAYS TO SLOW TRAFFIC BESIDES THE SPEED BUMP.

WELL, IN THIS CASE, THERE MIGHT BE OTHER WAYS TO HELP FUND SOMETHING THAT DON'T INVOLVE A VERY LONG TAX ABATEMENT.

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THE SECOND IS ABOUT DOWNTOWN OFFICE TO RESIDENTIAL CONVERSIONS.

AS THE FULL COUNCIL HAS TALKED REPEATEDLY ABOUT THE NEED FOR MORE PEOPLE TO LIVE DOWNTOWN AND MAKE DOWNTOWN ITS OWN THRIVING NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S CLEAR THAT THIS SHOULD BE A FOCUS FOR US.

AND SO THE ANSWER IS THAT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AT ECO INSTEAD OF HERE.

IS THAT CORRECT? THANK YOU. THIS IS ACTUALLY A CONVERSATION THAT'S BEING MORE LED BY OUR OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN PARTNERSHIP WITH DOWNTOWN DALLAS, INC., AND THEY'RE MORE APPRIZED TO BRIEF AT THE COMMITTEE THEY'VE BEEN ASSIGNED TO, WHICH IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. OKAY.

SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYBODY WHO'S INTERESTED IN THAT TOPIC, WHICH WE SHOULD ALL BE INTERESTED IN TO JOIN THEM FOR THOSE MEETINGS.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE PARTICULAR ITEMS? OKAY. WELL, YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD SOME OF THE UPCOMING AGENDA ITEMS. THERE IS AN ITEM FOR WEDNESDAY TO REJECT BIDS.

THIS IS ITEM I FOR BRIEFING WHICH ISN'T ON MY PRINTED AGENDA, BUT THIS IS TO REJECT THE BIDS FOR INDEPENDENCE. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY ABOUT IT? THANK YOU. THAT THAT ITEM IS STEMMING FROM AN OPEN REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS, BECAUSE THAT WAS ISSUED UNDER A SPECIAL NOFA IN THE PREVIOUS DEPARTMENTS.

IT CAME TO OUR ATTENTION THAT WE DID NOT FORMALLY REJECT BIDS SO THAT WE COULD ENTER INTO NEW CONVERSATIONS OR UNDERSTAND NEW OPPORTUNITIES.

AND SO THIS IS A FORMAL CLOSE THOSE BIDS SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE BEST USE OF THAT SITE.

OKAY. SO WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM D, WE'VE COMPLETED OUR AGENDA UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT LAST ITEM.

NO. AND I'M GOING TO ASK MADISON FOR MY OFFICE TO REACH OUT TO YOUR OFFICE TO SEE IF WE CAN SCHEDULE A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING JUST FOR ITEM D. THERE WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S ON THERE.

IF NOT, WE'LL JUST HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE FULL COUNCIL ON THE FIRST.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH. AND SORRY THE MEETING LASTED SO LONG, BUT IT'S 1206 AND IT'S MEETINGS OFFICIALLY ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.