[00:00:02] ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A QUORUM. GOOD MORNING. TODAY IS WEDNESDAY, APRIL 1ST, 2026. [Invocation and Pledge of Allegiance Special Presentations Open Microphone Speakers] THE TIME IS 9:30 A.M. AND I NOW CALL THIS MEETING OF DALLAS CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER. IS CHAIRMAN JOHNSON HERE? OH, THERE HE IS. OKAY. WELL, OUR INVOCATION SPEAKER IS OUR COLLEAGUE CHAIRMAN MAXI JOHNSON, WHO REPRESENTS DISTRICT FOUR. HE'S ALSO THE PASTOR OF THE NEW MORNING STAR MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH. SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO HIM FOR OUR INVOCATION FIRST, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES FLAG AND THE TEXAS FLAG. GOOD MORNING. LET US STAND. LET'S PRAY. FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS MORNING. WE THANK YOU, LORD, THAT YOU LET US SEE ANOTHER DAY THAT WASN'T PROMISED TO US. GOD, WE GIVE YOU GLORY BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT HAS GONE ON IN OUR LIFE, YOU STILL BEEN THERE THROUGH DANGER AND DANGER, SEEN AND UNSEEN. YOU HAVE GUIDED US. YOU HAVE PROTECTED US. THIS MORNING, GOD, WE ASK THAT YOU FORGIVE US FOR ALL OF OUR SINS KNOWN AND UNKNOWN. THEN, GOD, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR GRACE AND YOUR MERCY. GOD, WE PRAY AND WE ASK THAT YOU BLESS THIS COUNCIL BLESS THE MAYOR BLESS HIS FAMILY, HIS CHILDREN. BLESS OUR CITY MANAGER CONTINUE TO HEAL HER HEART. FROM WHERE SHE LOST A LOVED ONE. GOD, IF THERE'S EVER A TIME WE NEEDED YOU, WE SURE DO NEED YOU NOW. AMEN. FATHER, WE ASK THAT YOU CONNECT US TOGETHER BECAUSE IT'S YOUR WORD THAT CONNECTS US TO YOU, BUT IT'S ALSO YOUR WORD THAT CONNECTS US. AND SO EVERY NOW AND THEN, GOD, WE NEED CORRECTING EVERY NOW AND THEN. GOD, WE NEED TO KNOW THAT IT'S ABOUT YOUR WILL AND NOT OUR WILL. SO THIS MORNING, GOD, WE ASK THAT YOUR WILL BE DONE. NOT OUR WILL, BUT YOUR WILL AND GOD, IN DOING YOUR WILL, WE ASK THAT YOU CONNECT US TOGETHER. DELIVER US FROM THE HATE. DELIVER US FROM THE MISGUIDANCE. DELIVER US, GOD FROM OUR PERSONAL AGENDA. AND LET US DO WHAT YOU'VE CALLED US TO DO. THIS IS MINISTRY. THIS IS WHAT YOU'VE ANOINTED US TO DO. AND SO, GOD, WE CALL ON YOU NOW. NOW GOD, AS WE GO ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS, CONTINUE TO BLESS OUR COMMUNITIES, CONTINUE TO HELP US MAKE A DECISION WHEN IT COMES TO CITY HALL. AND ONCE THAT DECISION IS MADE, GOD BRING US BACK TOGETHER. BECAUSE YOU SAID HOW GOOD AND HOW PLEASANT IT IS FOR BRETHREN TO DWELL TOGETHER IN UNITY. NOW, LORD, WE GIVE YOU GLORY TODAY AND WE THANK YOU. IT IS IN OUR OUR PRAYER THAT IT IS IN YOUR NAME THAT WE PRAY, AND WE ASK THAT YOU CONTINUE TO DIRECT US AND BLESS US. ANOINT US TO DO THIS WORK IN YOUR SON JESUS, WE PRAY. LET EVERYONE SAY AMEN. AMEN. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE KEEP STANDING FOR OUR PLEDGES. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. TEXAS. ONE STATE, UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. THANK YOU SO MUCH, YOU ALL. YOU MAY BE SEATED. I BELIEVE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ANNOUNCEMENTS THIS MORNING, SO JUST BEAR WITH ME FOR A MINUTE. OUR FIRST ANNOUNCEMENT IS FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO KIMBERLY BIZOR TOLBERT, OUR CITY MANAGER, FOR AN ANNOUNCEMENT. GOOD MORNING, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. MAYOR. AND TO THE CITY COUNCIL. TODAY WE HAVE THE HONOR OF RECOGNIZING MR. LITTLE DAVID SESSIONS. JUNIOR, WILL YOU COME OUT, DAVID, PLEASE? MR. SESSIONS IS RETIRING FROM THE CITY AFTER 38 YEARS OF DEDICATED SERVICE. DAVID HAS SPENT HIS CAREER SAFEGUARDING THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT OF OUR CITY. OVER THE YEARS, HE HAS SERVED IN A NUMBER OF KEY LEADERSHIP ROLES, INCLUDING ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF INSPECTIONS, ASSISTANT BUILDING OFFICIAL, CHIEF BUILDING CODE ADMINISTRATOR, DISTRICT MANAGER AND BUILDING FIRE CODE TECHNICAL MANAGER. HIS WORK HAS HELPED SHAPE HOW DALLAS GROWS FROM GUIDING THE ADOPTION AND IMPLEMENTATION OF MAJOR CONSTRUCTION CODES TO IMPROVE, AND HOW PROJECTS ARE REVIEWED. DAVID HAS PLAYED A CRITICAL ROLE IN STRENGTHENING SAFETY, CLARITY AND CONSISTENCY FOR BOTH OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. DAVID IS ALSO KNOWN AS A THOUGHTFUL PROBLEM SOLVER. HE HAS BEEN A TRUSTED RESOURCE FOR INSPECTORS OF THE DEPARTMENT'S BOARDS, ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS, CONTRACTORS AND OUR RESIDENTS, HELPING OTHERS UNDERSTAND AND APPLY COMPLEX CODE REQUIREMENTS WITH CONFIDENCE. HE HAS OVERSEEN THE BUILDING CODE ADVISORY, EXAMINING AND APPEALS BOARD AND HAS CONSISTENTLY BEEN SOMEONE WHO OTHERS HAVE TURNED TO WHEN FACING THE MOST CHALLENGING TECHNICAL QUESTIONS. HIS IMPACT EXTENDS WELL BEYOND DALLAS. [00:05:04] DAVID HAS CONTRIBUTED AT THE REGIONAL, STATE AND NATIONAL LEVEL, HELPING SHAPE BEST PRACTICES THROUGH HIS WORK WITH ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL AND THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS. BUT WHAT STANDS OUT THE MOST IS HIS STEADY LEADERSHIP AND HIS COMMITMENT TO PEOPLE. HE HAS MENTORED STAFF, MANAGED OPERATIONS ACROSS MULTIPLE DISTRICTS, AND FOSTERED A CULTURE GROUNDED IN PROFESSIONALISM, TRUST, AND SERVICE. HIS LEGACY LEAVES LIVES NOT ONLY IN THE WORK THAT HE HAS DONE, BUT IN THE PEOPLE THAT HE HAS DEVELOPED ALONG THE WAY. ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, THE CITY COUNCIL AND OUR RESIDENTS, WE WANT TO THANK YOU, DAVID, FOR YOUR OUTSTANDING SERVICE. YOUR LEADERSHIP AND YOUR INTEGRITY. WE ARE DEEPLY GRATEFUL FOR ALL THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN TO THIS ORGANIZATION AND TO THIS COMMUNITY. WE WISH YOU WELL FOR YOUR FAMILY AND THE VERY BEST IN YOUR WELL-EARNED RETIREMENT. MAY GOD BLESS YOU ON THIS NEW CHAPTER OF LIFE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE FLOOR IS YOURS, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SAY THANKS TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY MANAGER, FOR CARVING OUT THESE FEW MOMENTS FOR ME. THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER, FOR YOUR KIND WORDS. THANKS TO ALL MY COLLEAGUES, PAST AND PRESENT FOR WORKING WITH ME, ENABLING ME TO DO THE THINGS MENTIONED IN THE COMMENTS BY THE CITY MANAGER. IT HAS BEEN A PLEASURE FOR ME TO SERVE THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR ALL THESE YEARS. I'M A PRODUCT OF DISD SCHOOLS AND A PROUD MEMBER OF THE DALLAS FAMILY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WE WILL TAKE A PHOTOGRAPH HERE IF YOU WANT ONE. SO WE'RE GOING TO BRING HIS FAMILY DOWN AND COME INSIDE THE RAIL AND I'LL COME DOWN FOR A PICTURE. ALL RIGHT AS EVERYONE MAKES THEIR WAY BACK TO THEIR SEATS, WE HAVE ONE MORE ANNOUNCEMENT FROM OUR COLLEAGUE, MR. BAZALDUA. SO YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR AN ANNOUNCEMENT. THANK YOU. MAYOR. TODAY. JUST WANT TO GIVE A VERY SPECIAL RECOGNITION TO A CONSTITUENT, FORMER CONSTITUENT OF MINE. I THINK HE WAS ENDED UP BEING A CONSTITUENT OF COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO IN DISTRICT TWO. BUT WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE DESI TANNER. I'M GOING TO READ THIS SPECIAL RECOGNITION. WHEREAS DESI TANNER, BORN NOVEMBER 19TH, 1952 IN CHICAGO, ILLINOIS, LIVED A LIFE DEFINED BY RESILIENCE, SERVICE, AND LEADERSHIP, ULTIMATELY DEDICATING HIMSELF TO STRENGTHENING THE COMMUNITIES HE SERVED. AND WHEREAS HE GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL, WHEREAS AFTER GRADUATING FROM HIGH SCHOOL, MR. TANNER CHOSE A PATH OF DISCIPLINE AND PUBLIC SERVICE BY ENLISTING IN THE ILLINOIS ARMY NATIONAL GUARD IN 1975, LATER CONTINUING HIS SERVICE WITH THE TEXAS ARMY NATIONAL GUARD, ACHIEVING THE RANK OF STAFF SERGEANT AND RECEIVING NUMEROUS AWARDS PRIOR TO HIS HONORABLE DISCHARGE. AND WHEREAS MR. TANNER MADE DALLAS, TEXAS, HIS HOME, WHERE HE SERVED THE CITY OF DALLAS WITH DISTINCTION, INCLUDING A LONG AND RESPECTED CAREER WITH THE DALLAS MARSHALS OFFICE, ADVANCING THROUGH MULTIPLE LEADERSHIP ROLES AND SERVING AS INTERIM CHIEF OF MARSHALS BEFORE RETIRING IN 2009 AS A SENIOR DEPUTY MARSHAL. [00:10:01] AND WHEREAS MR. TANNER WAS A DEEPLY ENGAGED COMMUNITY LEADER, SERVING IN NUMEROUS CIVIC AND NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERSHIP ROLES, INCLUDING CHAIR OF THE SBMM COMMITTEE AT GEORGE W TRUITT ELEMENTARY, CHAIR OF TRUETT AREA CRIME WATCH, LAS CASAS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, DALLAS POLICE ADVISORY BOARD, EAST DALLAS SENIORS COALITION AND MULTIPLE OTHER CITY APPOINTED ADVISORY AND PLANNING COMMITTEES. WHEREAS, HIS COMMITMENT TO SERVICE AND VOLUNTEERISM EARNED HIM WIDESPREAD RECOGNITION, INCLUDING THE DALLAS POLICE NORTHEAST DIVISION. DARRYL WOOD, VOLUNTEER OF THE YEAR NOMINATION. THE COMMUNITY BUILDER AWARD FOR METROPOLITAN LODGE NUMBER 1182 AND NUMEROUS COMMENDATIONS FROM THE ARMY NATIONAL GUARD. THE CITY OF DALLAS AND THE DALLAS MARSHALS OFFICE. WHEREAS ABOVE ALL, MR. TANNER WAS A DEVOTED HUSBAND, FATHER, MENTOR AND NEIGHBOR WHOSE LEADERSHIP STRENGTHENED FAMILIES, IMPROVED PUBLIC SAFETY, AND LEFT A LASTING IMPACT ACROSS DALLAS COMMUNITIES. NOW, THEREFORE, I, ADAM BAZALDUA, COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS AND ON BEHALF OF THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY EXTEND SPECIAL RECOGNITION TO DESI TANNER IN HONOR OF HIS LIFE AND LEGACY. AND WE HAVE HIS WIFE, MISS STEPHANIE TANNER, HERE TODAY. AND WANTED TO MAKE SURE AND GIVE THIS TO YOU. IF YOU COULD PLEASE COME DOWN. WE'D LOVE TO GET SOME PHOTOS WITH YOU. I SEE THAT WE HAVE OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONER. DOCTOR THERESA DANIEL IS HERE AS WELL. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME DOWN AND TAKE A PICTURE. I KNOW THAT YOU HAD MANY OF OCCASIONS WITH MR. TANNER AS WELL, AND ALSO MR. MORENO. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. OKAY. SO WHO WHO'S HERE FROM MISS STEPHANIE TANNER. SHE JUST WALKED DOWN. COME ON DOWN, MISS TANNER. AND COMMISSIONER DANIEL, GOOD TO SEE YOU. COME ON DOWN, TOO. AND WE'LL LET YOU GUYS COME INSIDE THE RAIL AND WE'LL TAKE A PHOTOGRAPH. ALL RIGHT, SO NO MORE ANNOUNCEMENTS, AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE CITY SECRETARY FOR OPEN MICROPHONE SPEAKERS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, AND GOOD MORNING. THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW HEAR ITS FIRST FIVE REGISTERED SPEAKERS. I WILL RECITE THE SPEAKER GUIDELINES. SPEAKERS MUST OBSERVE THE SAME RULES OF PROPRIETY, DECORUM AND GOOD CONDUCT APPLICABLE TO MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. ANY SPEAKER MAKING PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, PROFANE OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS, OR WHO BECOMES BOISTEROUS WHILE ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE ROOM FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE IN PERSON. FOR THOSE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS, YOU WILL. YOU WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE SESSION. INDIVIDUALS WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK FOR THOSE IN-PERSON SPEAKERS. YOU'LL NOTICE THE TIME ON THE MONITOR AT THE PODIUM. WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP, PLEASE STOP FOR THOSE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS, I WILL ANNOUNCE WHEN YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED. ALSO, SPEAKERS, PLEASE BE MINDFUL THAT DURING YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REFER TO A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER BY NAME AND ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO MAYOR JOHNSON ONLY. YOUR FIRST SPEAKER, LINDA NEWLAND. HOWDY MAYOR JOHNSON, LINDA NEWLAND, DISTRICT SEVEN. WHAT HAS THE COUNCIL DONE RECENTLY AFTER IT CAME OUT THAT IN THE NEW YORK TIMES INVESTIGATION ALLEGING DECADES OF ABUSE BY CESAR CHAVEZ, THE ANSWER. SIX COUNCIL MEMBERS ISSUED A MEMO REQUESTING THAT THE NAME BE REMOVED FROM THE CALENDAR. [00:15:09] THE COUNCIL IS ALSO CONSIDERING RENAMING CHAVEZ STREET. WHAT DID THE COUNCIL DO BACK IN SEPTEMBER 24TH, 2024, WHEN A JUDGE RULED THAT THE LEVELS OF FLUORIDE, TYPICALLY IN DRINKING WATER IN UNITED STATES, POSES AN UNREASONABLE RISK OF INJURY TO THE HEALTH OF THE PUBLIC. THE ANSWER? NOTHING. NOTHING AT ALL. THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO GET THEIR PRIORITIES IN ORDER. IT HURTS NO ONE TO HAVE A STREET NAMED AFTER ALLEGED ABUSER. IT HURTS THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS AND THOSE WHO PURCHASE DALLAS WATER. WHILE Y'ALL KEEP ADDING WHAT Y'ALL CALL FLUORIDE. BUT IT'S ACTUALLY HYDROFLUORIC ACID, A POISON. ANNUALLY HERE IN THE USA, THERE ARE ABOUT 20,000 CASES OF FLUORIDE TOXICITY. ABOUT 90% ARE CHILDREN. FROM 1933 TO 1955, THERE WERE 607 FATAL CASES OF FLUORIDE TOXICITY IN USA. THE SCIENCEDIRECT.COM QUOTE DETRIMENTAL IMPACTS OF FLUORIDE HAVE BECOME A GLOBAL CONCERN FOR SEVERAL DECADES. END QUOTE. BUT NOT HERE IN DALLAS, AS COUNCIL DID NOTHING WHEN THE JUDGE RULED. IT'S NOT GOOD FOR US. UTAH AND FLORIDA HAVE ALREADY BEEN FLUORIDATION STATEWIDE. MOST OF THE CITIZENS WANT FLUORIDATION TO STOP AS THEY NOW KNOW. IT'S BAD FOR OUR BODIES, ESPECIALLY PINEAL GLAND AND BRAIN. I SEE ON POSTER IN THE ELEVATOR THAT THE CITY MANAGER WANTS TO KEEP DALLAS ON THE TOP LEADERBOARD. TO DO THAT, FLUORIDATION NEEDS TO STOP. WHY DOES IT DALLAS WANT TO STOP FLUORIDATION? I'VE ASKED THAT BEFORE AND STILL DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER. WHAT HAPPENED TO TRANSPARENCY? DID DALLAS SIGN UP AS SOME KIND OF AGENDA FOR FLUORIDATION? DID DALLAS SIGN UP TO PURCHASE FLUORIDE FOR DECADES? ARE YOU BEING BRIBED, THREATENED OR BOTH? HEY, IT WOULD BE NICE IF EVERYBODY PAID ATTENTION INSTEAD OF TALKING TO EACH OTHER WHILE THE SPEAKER SPEAK. AND IT'S NOT FUNNY AT ALL. MR. MAYOR. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, ROBERT CECCARELLI. THANK YOU. ROBERT CECCARELLI. I KNOW THIS LADY FOR A LONG TIME AND SHE'S NOT JOKING. PLEASE DON'T DISRESPECT ME. AND DON'T WALK OUT ON ME. PLEASE. CAN YOU DO THAT, MR. JOHNSON? WHAT I'M HERE IS BECAUSE OF DE ISD HAD A GREAT PUBLICITY ABOUT SOUTH OAK CLIFF AND THE DISTRICT. AND MR. JOHNSON, YOU GAVE A LOT OF PRAISE. BUT YOU DID NOT KNOW ENOUGH TO SAY THAT ON IN THE MEDIA ABOUT DE ISD IN SOUTH OAK CLIFF. I GOT THE RESULTS OF CHILDREN AT RISK. 2025 STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT AND COLLEGE READINESS. THOSE ARE TWO THINGS YOU NEED TO LOOK AT IF THE SCHOOL IS GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL OR NOT. IT'S THE FINAL RESULTS, NOT IN THIRD GRADE OR SECOND GRADE. OKAY. THIS IS THE COLLEGE READINESS IS 22 HIGH SCHOOLS. DICK HAD 14 F'S, INCLUDING SOUTH OAK CLIFF. GOT A F. I'M GOING TO PASS IT AROUND NEXT. NEXT MONTH. THE RESULTS OF THE D ISD. AND IF IF THEY FAIL, YOU'RE GOING TO BE THE BRUNT OF IT TO HAVE TO PAY THE PRICE OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR CITY. OKAY, SO YOU KEEP ON DISRESPECTING ME, BUT THAT'S OKAY. COLLEGE READINESS, ADDISON, C, SOUTH OAK CLIFF F WOODROW WILSON B. THESE ARE HIS COLLEGE READINESS SCORES. WHITE C MOLINA D R MS D CONRAD F JEFFERSON F SAMUEL F HILLCREST C MADISON F CARTER F NORTH DALLAS F WILMER-HUTCHINS F SPRUCE F SKYLINE D LINCOLN F ROOSEVELT D SEAGOVILLE F AND KIMBALL. F 14 F'S AND FOUR D'S. NOW, HOW ARE WE GOING TO HAVE, SAY, DALLAS AS BEING SUCCESSFUL IF THEY HAVE THESE KIND OF SCORES WHEN YOU LEAVE HIGH [00:20:08] SCHOOL? THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO LOOK AT. AND PLUS STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT. IT MEANS HOW YOU'RE DOING AT THE AT THE INSTANT, WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS WHAT YOU'RE, IS YOUR GRADE OKAY? STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT, 14 D'S AND TWO F'S. I'M NOT GOING TO MENTION ALL THE HIGH SCHOOLS, BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO SCORES YOU NEED TO LOOK AT. AND THEY FAILED TO SAY IT. NO ONE KNEW ABOUT STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT OR COLLEGE READINESS. NOBODY KNEW IT AT ALL. THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO LOOK AT. AND DICK IS NOT TELLING THE TRUTH. MARY JOHNSON, YOU NEED TO GET YOUR FACTS TOGETHER BEFORE YOU BEFORE YOU SAY THINGS ABOUT D I'D I. I WANT TO PASS THIS OUT. MARY JOHNSON, CAN I GET COPIES OF THIS AT THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE AND GIVE OFF A FEW COPIES? IS THAT OKAY? OKAY. I JUST WANT TO RUN OFF AND GIVE IT TO YOU ALL BECAUSE YOU DISRESPECTED ME WHEN YOU WALKED OUT ON ME. I WON'T FORGET THAT. OKAY? I WAS TALKING TO ONE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER. HE KEPT ON SAYING, NO, I DIDN'T DO IT. BUT DON'T DO THAT. WE COME HERE TO. WE COME HERE EVERY WEEK. DO NOT DO THAT TO ME. AND DISTRICT ONE AND DISTRICT TWO. WHY CAN'T YOU TELL THAT WHEN I SPOKE IN FRONT OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS, THEY DIDN'T LIKE WHAT I SAY ABOUT HOMELESSNESS. CAN YOU DO THAT, PLEASE? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JO STOKES. JO STOKES, DISTRICT NINE. COULD EVERYBODY LOOK AT ME AND LISTEN? WE'RE BEING SYSTEMATICALLY POISONED WITH FLUORIDE. IF PRESCRIPTION DRUG USE IS AN INDICATOR, WE ARE THE SICKEST NATION ON EARTH. BUT WE CAN AVOID THE FLUORIDE AND WE CAN DETOX FROM IT. FIRST OFF, AVOID WATER THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CONTINUES TO ADD HYDROFLUOROSILICIC ACID TO. IT'S A TOXIC WASTE. BOTTLED WATER, WHICH YOU PROBABLY DRINK TO AVOID. THE NASTY WATER MAY CONTAIN FLUORIDE, SO YOU GOT TO GO ONLINE AND CHECK OUT YOUR BRAND TO SEE IF IT HAS FLUORIDE IN IT. SOFT DRINKS IF IT'S BOTTLED IN THIS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS OR THE COUNTY, IT PROBABLY CONTAINS FLUORIDE. THEY DON'T FILTER IT OUT. THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN FILTER OUT THE FLUORIDE IS THROUGH REVERSE OSMOSIS OR DISTILLED WATER. IODINE. YOUR BODY NEEDS IODINE. IT DOESN'T NEED FLUORIDE. THEY'RE IN THE SAME PART OF THE ELEMENTS TABLES. IF YOUR BODY IS NOT GETTING THE ICE IT NEEDS, IT WILL ACCEPT MAYOR. IT WILL ACCEPT FLUORIDE. MOST PEOPLE ARE DEFICIENT IN IODINE. THE GLANDS OF YOUR BODY WILL ACCEPT FLUORIDE IF IODINE IS NOT AVAILABLE. MOST AFFECTED ARE THE PINEAL GLAND AND THE THYROID. THE PINEAL GLAND IS THE DEAD CENTER OF YOUR BRAIN, AND THE ANCIENTS CONSIDER THAT TO BE THE THIRD EYE. AND IT WAS, THEY THOUGHT IT A RECEIVER. TO GET TO TAKE IN INFORMATION FROM BEYOND THE FIVE SENSES. BUT IT'S ALSO WHERE SEROTONIN IS MADE, WHERE YOUR BODY MAKES SEROTONIN IS THE HORMONE THAT HAS TO DO WITH WELL-BEING AND MOOD. IT ALSO IS WHERE MELATONIN IS MADE, AND THAT IS WHAT REGULATES SLEEP. THESE TWO HORMONES, IF THE PINEAL GLAND IS DAMAGED BY FLUORIDE, IT BECOMES CALCIFIED, MEANS IT TURNS TO STONE. BASICALLY IT STOPS FUNCTIONING. IF YOU'RE GOING TO DETOX. IT'S SUGGESTED THAT YOU TAKE SELENIUM, A MINERAL, AND NUTRITION, A MINERAL NUTRIENT THAT BLOCKS THE EFFECTS OF FLUORIDE. IT HELPS ELIMINATE THEM. BORON, A MINERAL FOUND IN FRUITS. TURMERIC. CURCUMIN. POWERFUL ANTIOXIDANTS. DO SAUNAS TO GET SUNLIGHT. EXERCISE AND EAT A HEALTHY DIET. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, PAMELA JOSEPH. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS PAMELA JOSEPH. I'M THE MOTHER OF ALVIN JEROME JOSEPH JR. [00:25:02] TODAY I'M HERE WITH HIS TWIN DAUGHTERS, GRANDMOTHER AND FAMILY. ALVIN WAS SIX FEET TALL, 300 POUNDS AND A KID AT HEART. TEN YEARS AGO, ALVIN WAS SHOT AND KILLED WHILE OUT WALKING HIS DOG. FOR TEN YEARS WE HAVE LIVED WITH THIS PAIN AND HIS ABSENCE. TEN YEARS OF MISSING MEMORIES, MILESTONES AND MOMENTS HE SHOULD BE HERE TO EXPERIENCE. MEANWHILE, THE PERSON HAS REMAINED FREE AND STILL LEFT WITH NO. WE ARE LEFT WITH NO ANSWERS. WE DON'T HAVE THE CLOTHES THAT ALBUM WAS WEARING THAT NIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON. NO ON HIS THANK YOU LORD. AUTOPSY. NOT EVEN THE RESULTS. AND IN THE FIRST 48 HOURS. THE POLICE JUST DID A SLOPPY JOB. NO ANSWERS WAS FOUND ON WHO DID THIS TO MY SON. AND ALL WE WANT IS ANSWERS. OVER THE YEARS, WE HAVE SPOKE WITH TWO DETECTIVES ASSIGNED TO THE CASE, MICHAEL YORK AND REGINALD WOODS, BOTH OF WHOM HAS RETIRED NOW. WE HAVE NO INFORMATION ABOUT WHO OR IF ANYONE ELSE IS ON THE CASE. IS CURRENTLY INVESTIGATING ALVIN'S CASE. THE MOST INFORMATION THAT WE KNOW IS THAT HE WAS. HE WASN'T ROBBED. HE WAS JUST SHOT IN THE FACE. I WOULD THINK THIS IS A LITTLE TOO CLOSE TO BE PERSONAL. WHAT WE'RE TRULY SEEKING, WHAT WE'RE TRULY SEEKING BY BEING HERE TODAY IS JUSTICE. JUSTICE FOR MY SON. WE NEED ANSWERS ABOUT WHO TOOK HIS LIFE AND WHY. MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE ARE LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE AND SUPPORT TO THE NEXT STEPS THAT WE SHOULD TAKE. AND THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BE HERE TODAY. THANK YOU. CAITLIN. GOOD MORNING. MAYOR. HAPPY WEDNESDAY. MY NAME IS CAITLIN DOYLE. I'M HERE TODAY AS A DALLAS RESIDENT AND AS A BOARD MEMBER OF THE FRIENDS OF DALLAS PUBLIC LIBRARY. THE FRIENDS IS A MEMBER BASED NONPROFIT THAT SUPPORTS OUR LIBRARIES THROUGH ADVOCACY, VOLUNTEERING, AND FUNDRAISING FOR PROGRAMS LIKE SMART SUMMER READING, NEIGHBORHOOD EVENTS, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, AND CULTURAL ENRICHMENT. WE HELP ENRICH CITY FUNDING, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, NO AMOUNT OF PHILANTHROPY CAN COMPENSATE FOR AN OPERATING BUDGET THAT HASN'T GROWN IN MORE THAN TWO DECADES. LIBRARIES ARE NOT OPTIONAL AMENITIES. THEY ARE ESSENTIAL PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO FUND. LIBRARIES ARE PLACES WHERE NEIGHBORS BUILD COMMUNITY, WHETHER THROUGH SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS A WEEKLY MAHJONG GROUP. FREE TAX ASSISTANCE OR THROUGH PROGRAMS LIKE THE FAIRY TALE CLOSET AT THE CENTRAL LIBRARY, WHICH I'M FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO SUPPORT. A BRIEF NOTE ON FAIRY TALE CLOSET. EVERY YEAR, HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS FROM ACROSS DALLAS COME TO THE LIBRARY TO RECEIVE FREE FORMAL WEAR FOR DANCES AND GRADUATIONS, INCLUDING LGBTQ+ STUDENTS AND STUDENTS WHO WOULD NOT OTHERWISE HAVE ACCESS. THE LIBRARY BECOMES A PLACE OF DIGNITY, JOY, AND OPPORTUNITY THAT IS A REAL, MEASURABLE IMPACT, AND IT ALIGNS DIRECTLY WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS STATED VALUES OF ACCESSIBILITY AND VIBRANCY IN DALLAS RESIDENTS OVERWHELMINGLY AGREE. MORE THAN 4000 RESIDENTS RESPONDED TO THE CITY'S SURVEY. 99% SAID DALLAS LIBRARIES ARE IMPORTANT TO THEM. 97% SAID LIBRARY FUNDING SHOULD BE MAINTAINED OR INCREASED, AND 92% SAID THE CITY SHOULD PRIORITIZE FUNDING TO KEEP NEIGHBORHOOD LIBRARIES OPEN AND AVOID CLOSURES. AS SOMEONE WHO WATCHES CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS REGULARLY, I KNOW THIS LEVEL OF CONSENSUS IS QUITE RARE, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S SOMETHING TO CELEBRATE. BUT OUR FUNDING TELLS A DIFFERENT STORY WHEN ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION, THE DALLAS PUBLIC LIBRARY'S OPERATING BUDGET HAS NOT INCREASED SINCE 2001 DESPITE POPULATION GROWTH, TECHNOLOGICAL CHANGE AND ADDITIONAL BRANCHES. THE LIBRARY REACHED ITS HIGHEST OPERATING BUDGET IN 2008, BUT FUNDING NEVER FULLY RECOVERED. THIS IS NOT A NEW PROBLEM, AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. WHILE VOTERS APPROVED BONDS TO BUILD NEW LIBRARY BUILDINGS, OPERATING FUNDING DID NOT INCREASE AT THE SAME PACE. AS A RESULT, THE CITY HAS INVESTED IN NEW FACILITIES WITHOUT INVESTING IN THE STAFFING, HOURS AND SERVICES NEEDED TO OPERATE THEM AS INTENDED. WHICH BRINGS US TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. MY ASK IS CLEAR AND, DARE I SAY, REASONABLE RESTORE $2.6 MILLION TO THE LIBRARY OPERATING BUDGET, WHICH IS NOT AN EXPANSION, BUT I'D BE COOL WITH THAT TOO. IT'S WHAT'S NEEDED TO PREVENT CLOSURES, MAINTAIN SERVICES, AND RETAIN STAFF. LIBRARIES ARE A STATED PRIORITY OF DALLAS RESIDENTS. THE DATA IS CLEAR, THE COMMUNITY IMPACT IS CLEAR. [00:30:02] AND AS YOU MOVE FORWARD IN THIS BUDGET PROCESS, WE URGE YOU TO REFLECT THE VALUES THAT RESIDENTS HAVE CONSISTENTLY EXPRESSED AND RESTORE THE FUNDING NEEDED TO KEEP OUR LIBRARIES OPEN. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR SERVICE. IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE. THANK YOU. THIS CONCLUDES YOUR FIRST FIVE MOVE TO BE RECOGNIZED. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR WHAT PURPOSE? I MOVE TO SUSPEND THE RULES TO HEAR ALL THE SPEAKERS RESIDING IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. IS THERE ANY OBJECTION? MAYOR, I WOULD REQUEST THAT JUST DALLAS SPEAKERS BE ALLOWED TO GO. NOW, THE REMAINING SPEAKERS COULD GO AT THE END OF THE DAY. THE DALLAS SPEAKERS ARE THE ONES WHO ARE FOCUSED ON ISSUES THAT WERE BEING BRIEFED ON TODAY. WELL, HIS MOTION WAS FOR WHAT I THOUGHT. THAT'S WHAT IT WAS, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS OKAY. I THOUGHT YOU SAID ALL SPEAKERS. SO YOU DON'T HAVE AN OBJECTION? NO I DON'T. I'M IN SUPPORT. OKAY, SO THERE'S NO OBJECTION. SO ORDERED. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOUR NEXT SPEAKER, DIANA O'CONNOR. GOOD MORNING, HONORABLE MAYOR JOHNSON AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. MY NAME IS DIANA O'CONNOR AND I LIVE AT 4947 VICTORY STREET IN DALLAS CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT 14. I AM HERE TODAY AS A MEMBER OF THE FRIENDS OF THE DALLAS PUBLIC LIBRARY. I AM A RETIRED DISD SCHOOL LIBRARIAN SERVING 33 YEARS IN THE DISTRICT AND THE LAST 20 YEARS AS THE FOUNDING LIBRARIAN AT IRMA LERMA RANGEL YOUNG WOMEN'S LEADERSHIP SCHOOL. I AM HERE TODAY TO ASK THAT YOU RESTORE THE $2.6 MILLION TO THE DALLAS PUBLIC LIBRARY BUDGET. ANDREW CARNEGIE, WHEN HE FUNDED OVER 1600 LIBRARIES ACROSS OUR COUNTRY, INCLUDING THE FIRST LIBRARY IN DALLAS, UNDERSTOOD VERY WELL THAT LIBRARIES WERE CRITICAL TO OUR DEMOCRACY. TODAY, I WILL ARGUE THAT IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT DALLAS PROVIDES ADEQUATE FUNDING TO THESE MOST FUNDAMENTAL. FUNDAMENTAL AMERICAN INSTITUTIONS, ESPECIALLY FUNDING TO MAKE SURE OUR BRANCH LIBRARIES REMAIN OPEN TO. THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITIES. BECAUSE, YOU SEE, LIBRARIES ARE FUNDAMENTALLY A PLACE. TAKE A LOOK AT THE BULLETIN BOARDS OF ANY OF OUR BRANCH LIBRARIES, AND YOU WILL SEE THE VAST DIVERSITY OF ORGANIZATIONS AND ASSISTANCE OFFERED TAX ASSISTANCE, ESL CLASSES, KNITTING CLUBS, MYSTERY BOOK CLUBS, HEALTH AND WELLNESS MEETINGS, THE LIST GOES ON AND ON. THEN THERE IS THE FREE WIFI, ACCESS TO COMPUTERS, SAFE PLACES FOR KIDS TO COME AFTER SCHOOL RATHER THAN GO HOME TO AN EMPTY HOUSE OR APARTMENT. YOU CAN NEVER MEASURE THE VALUE OF ANY LIBRARY BY CIRCULATION STATISTICS OR OTHER DATA EVIDENCE BECAUSE A PLAY AS A PLACE, A LIBRARY PROVIDES NEEDED NURTURE TO ITS NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN RETURN IT IS THE BEATING HEART WELCOMING ANY AND ALL THROUGH ITS DOORS. THE OTHER CONSIDERATION IS PROXIMITY. IF YOU SHUTTER A NEIGHBORHOOD LIBRARY, THEN YOU LOSE THE MANY PATRONS WHO DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO PRIVATE CARS. THE ELDERLY WHO, IF THEY DRIVE AT ALL BUT WHOSE DRIVING RADIUS IS USUALLY LIMITED JUST BECAUSE OF INSECURITY ABOUT OUR CITY STREETS. CHILDREN AT NEARBY SCHOOLS. PARENTS AND GUARDIANS OF TODDLERS WHO AREN'T GOING TO DRIVE MANY MILES TO STORYTIMES. ACCESS TO A NEARBY LIBRARY IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL. FRIENDS OF THE DALLAS PUBLIC LIBRARY ARE HERE TODAY, REPRESENTING THOSE WHOSE VOICES CAN'T BE HEARD, BUT WHOSE LIVES ARE POSITIVELY IMPACTED BY THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD LIBRARIES IN WAYS WE KNOW AND CANNOT EVEN IMAGINE. PLEASE RESTORE THE $2.6 MILLION BACK TO THE LIBRARY BUDGET. ALL OF OUR CITY'S NEIGHBORHOODS DEPEND ON YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JUST TO MIGHT REMIND THE AUDIENCE IN CASE THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN HERE BEFORE, THAT WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE AUDIENCE REACTIONS AND APPLAUSE AND CLAPPING. IT'S AGAINST OUR RULES. BUT I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS BEING HERE TODAY. THANK YOU. MICHAEL KING. DOWN THERE. THANK YOU, MADAM SECRETARY. MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. INTENTIONAL DEFERRED MAINTENANCE. INTENTIONAL DEFERRED MAINTENANCE OF CITY HALL SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. NUMBER ONE, BACK IN FEBRUARY, WHEN I CAME TO THIS COUNCIL WITH THE MAVERICK SITUATION ABOUT THIS FACILITY, I TOLD YOU THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST, WHICH IT TRULY IS. YOU SEE, THE TENANTS TELL YOU THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO TELL YOU THAT. AND FOR THIS FACILITY INSIDE THERE IS A FUNDING SOURCE. LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 372. TITLE 12 PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT. SUBTITLE A MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES. CHAPTER 372 PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS, MUNICIPALS AND COUNTIES [00:35:06] AND COUNTIES. SECTION 372 .021 SPECIAL IMPROVEMENT FUND DISTRICT. SECTION 372.20.022 22. SEPARATE FUNDS SECTION THREE. 72.232 PAYMENTS OF COST AND 372.024 GEO AND REVENUE BONDS TO THIS COUNCIL. I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU HAVE STAFF BRIEF YOU OVER. CHAPTER 372. AFTER MY COMMUNICATION WITH THE STATE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE IN AUSTIN, ALL THIS FALLS UNDER. PUBLIC CODES, CHAPTER 372 OF THE STATE OF TEXAS. I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT WE DON'T START LIKE I TOLD YOU IN FEBRUARY. THIS BILL IS NOT COMING DOWN. IF I TIE MYSELF OUTSIDE THIS BUILDING, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THIS BUILDING UP. BUT I RECOMMEND THAT YOU HAVE STAFF REVIEW YOU OVER CHAPTER 372. THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF THIS BUILDING. IT'S KIND OF EMBARRASSING. AS A FORMER CITY OFFICIAL MYSELF TO SEE THE CONDITION WE'RE IN ABOUT THIS INSIDE THIS BUILDING. IT'S LIKE I CAN GO INTO DETAIL, BUT WE'LL BE HAVING A LITTLE DRAFTY AFTER ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS BEFORE THE END OF THE MONTH. ABOUT COMMISSIONER I GO DETAIL INTO IT. I KNOW WE GOT LIMITED TIME HERE AT THE PODIUM. I SEE, I SEE. AND. MY MIND GOING FAST RIGHT NOW. SO. BUT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THIS BUILDING. BUT. CHAPTER 372 THE COUNCIL NEED TO BE BRIEFED OVER IT. CHAPTER TWO TO SAVE THIS BUILDING. IT FALLS ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS WHAT WE CALL THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, THE WHOLE CITY OF DALLAS, THE WHOLE DOWNTOWN AREA IS A PEER DISTRICT AND FUNDS CAN BE USED FOR PUBLIC FACILITIES. THIS IS A PUBLIC FACILITY. READ CHAPTER 372. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT. PLEASE TO SAVE THIS BUILDING. BUT THERE'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. NO, NOBODY SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THE CITY HALL BEFORE ANYTHING, BEFORE ANYBODY ELSE. SO IT'S REALLY CONFLICT OF INTEREST. IF THEY WANT THE ARENA, THEY DON'T BUILD OUT THEIR POCKETS. VALUES 110 ACRES. THAT'S YOUR TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM SECRETARY, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. CHAPTER 372, DAVID ELLIS. MAYOR JOHNSON, MY NAME IS DAVID ELLIS. I LIVE IN DISTRICT TEN, 935 CLAIRE HURST DRIVE, ON THE D10 APPOINTEE TO THE HSC BOARD AND CURRENTLY SERVE AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD. THE POLICY STATEMENT HAS COME A LONG WAY IN THE YEAR AND A HALF SINCE THE DISCUSSIONS BEGAN WITH STAFF. I DO APPRECIATE THE CITY STAFF AND THE DIRECTORS SINCERITY IN DEALING WITH THIS MATTER. 100% CONVINCED THEY BELIEVE THEY'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING. HOWEVER, I'VE COME TO ASK YOU ALL TO POSTPONE VOTING ON THE GEOGRAPHIC EMPHASIS OF THE HSC STATEMENT BEYOND THE MAY 27TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING. THE BASIS FOR THE RESTRICTING THE HSC LIGHTTECH ACTIVITIES IS BASED ON THE THEORY THAT LIGHTTECH AND HIGH POVERTY AREAS CONCENTRATES POVERTY. THIS IS JUST A THEORY. THERE ARE A LOT OF SMART PEOPLE THAT DO AGREE WITH IT, AND THERE'S A LOT OF SMART PEOPLE THAT DON'T. WITH THAT BEING SAID, WITH. WITH THAT BEING SAID, ALTHOUGH THIS SIMPLY HAS BEEN NO EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE OF THE IMPACT OF DALLAS HSC PROJECTS DEVELOPED SINCE 2019 THAT NECESSITATES THESE GEOGRAPHIC RESTRICTIONS. IN FACT, THERE HAVE BEEN NO STUDIES AT ALL. HOWEVER, AT THE HSC, WE'RE ENGAGING AN ECONOMIST, A PHD ECONOMIST FROM UT SOUTHWEST, TAMMY LEONARD, TO STUDY THE ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL IMPACT OF HFC LIGHTTECH PROJECTS ON THE RESIDENTS AND IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. IT IS A TWO YEAR PROPOSED ENGAGEMENT, BUT WITH A DELIVERABLE PROVIDING A DECISION MAKING TOOL BY EARLY NEXT YEAR. I BELIEVE THIS WILL RESULT IN A MORE SOPHISTICATED METHOD OF DECIDING WHERE TO PLACE HFC AND LIGHT TECH PROJECTS. I BELIEVE THE TWO THIRDS, THE TWO THIRDS RESTRICTION IS A BLUNT MEAT CLEAVER THAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO PREVENT FROM DEALS ENTERING GOING TO YOU TO DECIDE WHAT IS BEST FOR YOUR DISTRICTS. IT'S GOING TO TAKE POWER AWAY FROM YOU. LET'S NOT MAKE ANY MAJOR DECISIONS UNTIL THEN. WE WOULD WE WOULD BE DELIGHTED IF THE CITY STAFF WOULD BE AN ACTIVE PARTICIPANT IN THIS STUDY, OR CONDUCT THEIR OWN AND POTENTIALLY DUAL TRACK IT WITH THE HFC STUDY. WE ARE OPEN TO ALL POSSIBILITIES. HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK YOU PROVIDED WITH ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO MAKE THIS CONSEQUENTIAL OF A DECISION. ONE OTHER ITEM OF CONTENTION IS INCLUDES APPOINTING A CITY STAFF MEMBER AS AN EX-OFFICIO BOARD MEMBER. THE CITY STAFF CURRENTLY HAS ALL THE RIGHTS TO ATTEND AND PARTICIPATE IN THE HFC MEETINGS THROUGH A CITY LIAISON, WHICH IS CURRENTLY OUTLINED OUTLINED IN OUR BYLAWS. WE WOULD WELCOME. WE WOULD LOVE FOR THEM TO BEGIN PARTICIPATING IN EXERCISING THOSE RIGHTS. HOWEVER THERE ARE RISKS TO A VOLUNTEER SERVING ON A GOVERNING BODY OF AN INDEPENDENT CORPORATION THAT OWNS AND FINANCES REAL ESTATE WITH PUBLIC SUBSIDIES FOR [00:40:10] AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. WE NEED THE ABILITY TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND CONSULT WITH OUR ATTORNEY IN PRIVATE. THIS IS A REASONABLE POSITION, GIVEN THE RISKS WE TAKE ON AS BOARD MEMBERS OF THE HFC. THANK YOU AND HAVE A GREAT DAY. THANK YOU LESLIE. GOOD MORNING. LESLIE BRUGGINK 6727 SUNNY LAND LANE. I AM THE PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER OF IN THIS HOUSE, A DALLAS BASED NONPROFIT THAT FOCUSES ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND I CURRENTLY SERVE ON THE HFC BOARD AS A DISTRICT NINE REPRESENTATIVE. LAST NIGHT, I SENT EACH OF YOU AN EMAIL OPPOSING THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE HFC, PFC AND THE HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROGRAM STATEMENTS FOR MULTIPLE REASONS. I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND TODAY AT THE PODIUM GOING INTO THE DETAIL THAT I SENT TO THE EMAIL, BUT I WANT TO FOCUS MY COMMENTS ON THE FIRST REASON, AND THAT IS THESE PROPOSED CHANGES SEVERELY AND UNNECESSARILY RESTRICT THE TOOLS AND FLEXIBILITY THAT YOU HAVE AT COUNCIL TO SUPPORT HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS FOR YOUR DISTRICTS THAT ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEEDS OF YOUR AREA. DURING TODAY'S BRIEFING, YOU WILL HEAR FROM A NUMBER OF SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS. I HAVE NO DOUBT THEY WILL REITERATE WHAT WE ALL KNOW. WE NEED MORE HOUSING. WE NEED SIGNIFICANTLY MORE HOUSING FOR LOW AND EXTREMELY LOW INCOME EARNERS HERE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, PEOPLE THAT MAKE 60%, 50% AND EVEN 30% OF THE DALLAS MEDIAN AREA INCOME. THE LIGHTTECH AND HFC PROGRAM IS SOME OF THE BEST TOOLS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS TO ADDRESS THAT SPECIFIC NEED. AND IF COUNCIL PASSES THE AMENDMENTS AS PROPOSED, YOU WILL NO DOUBT HAMSTRING THE PROGRAM AS IT IS. SHOULDN'T WE WANT MORE DEVELOPMENTS BEING PRESENTED TO COUNCIL AND MORE OPPORTUNITIES SO YOU GUYS CAN DECIDE WHAT DOES AND DOES NOT WORK FOR YOUR AREA? I UNDERSTAND THAT HOUSING STAFF WANTS TO GUARD AGAINST THE CONCENTRATION OF POVERTY. IT'S A GOAL I EQUALLY SHARE AND IS AT THE FOREFRONT OF OUR MISSION IN THIS HOUSE. BUT WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS WORK TOGETHER TO CREATE POLICY STATEMENTS AND PROGRAM GUIDELINES THAT ARE OBJECTIVE AND DATA DRIVEN. WE SHOULD NOT INCLUDE RIGID ROADBLOCKS THAT ARBITRARILY LIMIT THE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY DATA OR STUDY TO SUPPORT THE LIMITATIONS BEING PROPOSED BY STAFF. IN THE MEANTIME, A MUCH MORE SENSIBLE REQUIREMENT WOULD BE TO REQUIRE A WAIVER FOR ANY HFC DEALS THAT ARE BUILT IN A CENSUS TRACT THAT HAVE A 40% HIGHER OR HIGHER POVERTY RATE. THAT'S WHAT THE CURRENT PROGRAM STATEMENT THAT THE HFC BOARD VETTED AND APPROVED REQUIRES RIGHT NOW. THAT REQUIREMENT PUTS INTO PLACE SOME GUARDRAILS. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE IRS TAX GUIDELINES AND INCENTIVES. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH HUD REGULATIONS AND DESIGNATIONS, AND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE STATE TD A'S OWN WAIVER REQUIREMENTS ARE CURRENTLY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TODAY, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE BRIEFING. THANK YOU. ANTHONY PAGE. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR JOHNSON. MY NAME IS ANTHONY PAGE AND I RESIDE AT 3210 CARLYLE STREET IN DALLAS. I SERVE AS SECRETARY AND A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF THE DALLAS HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION. OTHER SPEAKERS HAVE ADDRESSED THE PROPOSED TWO THIRDS VOTE REQUIREMENT. IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I WILL FOCUS EXCLUSIVELY ON THE GOVERNANCE QUESTION. SPECIFICALLY, THE PROPOSAL TO APPOINT THE HOUSING DIRECTOR IS A NON-VOTING EX OFFICIO MEMBER OF THE HFC BOARD. LET ME BEGIN BY SAYING CLEARLY THE BOARD STRONGLY SUPPORTS STAFF PARTICIPATION. OUR BYLAWS ALREADY PROVIDE FOR A CITY LIAISON WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO ATTEND AND PARTICIPATE IN ALL MEETINGS. WE WELCOME THAT INPUT AND ALIGNMENT. THE ISSUE BEFORE YOU IS NOT WHETHER STAFF SHOULD WEIGH IN. THEY CAN. THEY SHOULD, AND THEY CURRENTLY DO. THE ISSUE IS WHETHER CREATING A FORMAL SEAT ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE STATUTORY STRUCTURE OF THE CORPORATION. CHAPTER 394 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE ESTABLISHES HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATIONS AS SEPARATE PUBLIC INSTRUMENTALITIES. WITH ALL CORPORATE POWERS VESTED IN THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS. DIRECTORS ARE APPOINTED BY YOU, THE GOVERNING BODY. THE STATUTE MAKES NO PROVISION FOR EX OFFICIO DIRECTORS. STRUCTURAL CLARITY MATTERS. THAT STRUCTURE REFLECTS A DELIBERATE LEGISLATIVE DESIGN TO CREATE AN ENTITY THAT OPERATES ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, BUT NOT AS A CITY DEPARTMENT. IN OCTOBER 2025, THE CITY ATTORNEY INFORMED THE BOARD IN WRITING THAT CITY AND HFC INTERESTS COULD APPEAR [00:45:10] MATERIALLY AND DIRECTLY ADVERSE AT TIMES. THAT ACKNOWLEDGMENT REFLECTS THAT WHILE MISSIONS ARE ALIGNED GOVERNANCE ISSUES, INTERESTS MAY DIVERGE IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES. IF THAT POTENTIAL DIVERGENCE EXISTS, EMBEDDING A CITY DEPARTMENT HEAD AS A FORMAL MEMBER OF THE BOARD INSTITUTIONALIZES THAT TENSION RATHER THAN MANAGING IT THROUGH CLEAR SEPARATION OF ROLES. CREATING AN EX OFFICIO MEMBER ALSO RAISES TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT CONSIDERATIONS. THE TEXAS ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS CAUTIONED THAT WHERE STATUTE FIXES THE COMPOSITION OF A GOVERNING BODY, THAT BODY MAY NOT EXPAND ITS MEMBERSHIP BY DESIGNATION ALONE, GRANTING AUTOMATIC ATTENDANCE AT ALL EXECUTIVE SESSIONS TO A NON APPOINTED EX OFFICIO PARTICIPANT INTRODUCES AVOIDABLE LEGAL AMBIGUITY. THIS IS NOT ABOUT EXCLUDING STAFF. IT IS ABOUT MAINTAINING CLEARLY DEFINED ROLES CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW WHILE CONTINUING TO COLLABORATE EFFECTIVELY. THE CITY COUNCIL RETAINS ULTIMATE CONTROL THROUGH ITS POWER TO APPOINT AND REMOVE DIRECTORS. STAFF ALREADY HAVE FULL RIGHTS TO ATTEND AND PARTICIPATE UNDER THE LIAISON STRUCTURE. ALTERING BOARD COMPOSITION IS UNNECESSARY AND INTRODUCES STRUCTURAL RISK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. KEITH. GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. MAYOR. HELLO. MY NAME IS KEITH, 3001 SOUTH STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS, DISTRICT 14. I'M HONORED TO SERVE AS THE DISTRICT 14 REPRESENTATIVE ON THE DALLAS PUBLIC FACILITIES CORPORATION AND CURRENTLY SERVE AS PRESIDENT OF THE DALLAS PUBLIC FACILITIES CORPORATION. THE DPS, C AND D PROVIDE WELL OVER 70% OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN DALLAS, SO I WOULD ADVOCATE THAT WE DO NOT MESS WITH SUCCESS. THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS. THE CITY'S IN THE CITY'S PROPOSAL THAT ARE WELL INTENTIONED, BUT REALLY NEED MUCH MORE SUPPORTING DATA TO MERIT A CHANGE AWAY FROM OUR CURRENT SUCCESSFUL PROGRAMS WITH ITEMS BEYOND OUR CONTROL LIKE ZONING INTEREST RATES AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS. PROJECTS ARE REALLY HARD ENOUGH TO GET INTO PRODUCTION AS IT IS TODAY. POSSIBLE MISINTERPRETATION BY FUTURE STAFF MAKES IT CLEAR THAT WE NEED TO KEEP THE POLICY MORE UNDERSTANDABLE. NEEDING A TWO THIRDS COUNCIL VOTE APPROVAL FOR EXCEPTIONS WILL ALSO BE A HIGH BAR TO MEET AND DISCOURAGE MORE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. THE VETTING PROCESS FOR THE DFC PROJECTS IS THOROUGH AND TRANSPARENT, WITH PUBLIC HEARINGS AND COMMUNITY COMMENT WELCOME AT ALL LEVELS OF THE VETTING PROCESS. FOR EXAMPLE, AS CHAIR OF THE DFC, I AND PFC STAFF ALWAYS MAKE SURE THAT THE PROJECT PROPONENT HAS SOUGHT THE INPUT OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER AND HIS DISTRICT THAT IT'S IN. IT WILL NOT MAKE IT FURTHER IN THE PROCESS WITHOUT YOUR INPUT. ALSO, THE APPOINTMENT OF A CITY STAFFER AS AN EX OFFICIO BOARD MEMBER PRESENTS MANY CHANCES FOR A CONFLICT OF INTEREST THAT WILL NOT BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY OR THE CORPORATION. WE HAVE, CAN AND WILL ALWAYS KEEP THE CITY INFORMED OF OUR PROCESSES. STAFF HAS ALWAYS BEEN WELCOME TO ALL OF OUR MEETINGS. WE HAVE A VERY DIVERSE BOARD THAT TAKES PRIDE IN ITS FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO THE BOARD AND THE CITY. YOU ALL DID A GREAT JOB IN CHOOSING A CROSS-SECTION OF THE DALLAS CITIZENRY TO SERVE ON THIS BOARD. YOUR GREAT APPOINTEES INCLUDE ARCHITECTS, ATTORNEYS, CPAS, REAL ESTATE BROKERS, AND VERY DISTINGUISHED COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS. ALL BRING THEIR UNIQUE AND VALUED PERSPECTIVE CONTRIBUTING TO OUR MISSION. SO WHEN IT COMES TO A VOTE IN MAY, I URGE YOU TO SUBSTITUTE AND SUPPORT THE PROGRAM STATEMENT PASSED UNANIMOUSLY BY YOUR APPOINTED DPSC BOARD LAST AUGUST. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY AND WE APPRECIATE ALL THAT Y'ALL DO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HUNT. NUHAH. MAYOR. COUNCIL. MEMBERS. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS HUNT NORAW. I'M A PROUD PARTNER HERE WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS TO BUILD HOUSING. IT HAS BEEN A LONG GRIND ON THESE MISSION STATEMENTS AND I APPRECIATE THAT IT'S NOT BEING RUSHED THROUGH. THERE'S CONSISTENT ATTENTION TO DETAIL. IN THE EVENT FOR THE PFC POLICY STATEMENT THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDED VERSION IS MOVED FORWARD. [00:50:06] I HAVE SPECIFIC CLARIFICATION ITEMS THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE ON THE RECORD TO NOTE. THE PUBLIC BENEFIT TEST BEING ITEM NUMBER ONE AND THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT'S POTENTIAL ABILITY TO BLOCKADE PARK PROJECTS BEING ITEM NUMBER TWO. THE PUBLIC BENEFIT TEST. THERE'S A CATCH 22 THAT'S BEEN CREATED. PFC IS RECOMMENDED TO GO INTO HIGH POVERTY CENSUS TRACTS, BUT THE PUBLIC BENEFIT TEST IS BASED ON AFFORDABILITY CREATION. WELL, IF YOU'RE PUSHING IT INTO HIGH POVERTY CENSUS AREAS, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A LOT OF AFFORDABILITY BECOMES MORE OF AN ECONOMIC CATALYST TOOL. THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT'S ABILITY TO BLOCKADE FIRST IS THE GEOGRAPHY PRIORITY. CURRENTLY THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT PFC DEFINITIONS. THERE'S PFC WORKFORCE HOUSING AND THEN PFC AFFORDABLE HOUSING WORKFORCE FOR POVERTY. AFFORDABLE FOR HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREAS. BUT THERE'S NO SPECIFIC DEFINITION OF WHAT THOSE TWO ACTUALLY INDICATE. NEXT APPLICATIONS COULD BE DENIED IF APPLICANTS HAVE OTHER PROJECTS UNDERWAY. WELL, YOU CAN LOOK AROUND IN THIS COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND SEE THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF AFFORDABLE DEVELOPERS. AND SO THAT THAT COULD BE A POTENTIAL ISSUE FOR CONTINUING THE PIPELINE TIFF BOARD. TIFF BOARD OFTEN CREATES COMPLICATIONS FOR THEIR SCHEDULE, THEIR PROCESS, THEIR TIMELINE. EVERY TIFF BOARD IS DIFFERENT. I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS CLARIFICATION. TIFF IS ONLY NEEDED TO WEIGH IN IF IT'S AN OPERATING PROPERTY ON THE TAX ROLLS THAT MIGHT GO OFF THE TAX ROLLS, WHICH THAT'S A GOOD CLARIFICATION TO ADD. FINALLY, THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW. THE PFC CREATES A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE SITES THAT ARE NOT DEVELOPABLE AND MAKE THEM DEVELOPABLE BY PUTTING THEM THROUGH A CLEAN ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATORY PROCESS. AND SO JUST MAKING SURE THE FRAMEWORK IS UNDERSTOOD. SURE, IT MIGHT NOT BE CLEAN AT INITIAL APPLICATION, BUT IN ORDER TO CLOSE AND CONSUMMATE A PARTNERSHIP AT THAT POINT, IT NEEDS TO BE MADE A CLEAN SITE. AND THIS COULD BE A GREAT PROGRAM TO DO THAT FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. CLARITA, WASHINGTON. CLARITA, WASHINGTON IS NOT ONLINE, NOT IN THE CHAMBER. MR. WASHINGTON IS NOT PRESENT. C-O BOND. OKC. HELLO, MY NAME IS SIOBHAN FROM DISTRICT TWO. I WAS BORN IN DALLAS AND GROWING UP MY LIBRARY WAS FRETZ PARK. I WOULD STOP THERE AS I WALKED HOME FROM RICHARDSON HIGH SCHOOL. NO CAR TO MAKE THE 15 MINUTE DRIVE. JUST A LONG 3.5 MILE TREK WITH THE ONLY REAL RESTING PLACE BEING THAT LIBRARY. YOUR DATA WOULDN'T HAVE MEASURED THE TIME I SPENT THERE, SURROUNDED BY BOOKS THAT I COULDN'T CHECK OUT, BUT I COULD PAUSE AND READ. I WENT OFF TO AUSTIN FOR COLLEGE AND THEN CAME BACK TO LIVE IN ANOTHER DALLAS NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE MY LIBRARY IS NOW OAK LAWN PUBLIC LIBRARY. I GO THERE TO PRINT PLANS FOR FURNITURE AND CHICKEN COOPS SO I CAN GO BUILD THEM. I VOTE THERE. IT'S WALKABLE IN A PART OF THE CITY WHERE THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL NEARBY SCHOOLS AND PARKS. SO HOW IS THIS NOT VALUABLE TO THE CITY? I WAKE UP TO THE REMOVAL OF MY AND OTHERS CROSSWALKS NOT PAID FOR BY THE CITY. I WAKE UP AGAIN TO THE CLOSING OF MY LIBRARY TO APPARENTLY BOLSTER THE CHOSEN LIBRARIES. THE NEW BUDGET VIDEO MENTIONS LIBRARIES OFTEN, YET WE'VE CUT FUNDING FOR THEM BY $2.6 MILLION FINE AS A CITY. WE AGREED THE LIBRARY SHOULD HAVE LESS. SO LET'S COME TOGETHER AND EXPERIENCE THAT DECISION TO DEFUND AS A CITY INSTEAD OF SACRIFICING CERTAIN COMMUNITIES. MY LIBRARY IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD. MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS MY CITY, AND NOT EVERYONE IN THE CITY IS WELCOME IN SOMEWHERE LIKE A MALL. 68 MILLION INVESTED INTO YOUR VERSION OF SAFE, WHOSE FUNCTION RECENTLY WAS TO GUARD MY AND OTHER COMMUNITIES ERASURE. MY LIBRARY ENSURES AND ENABLES MY RIGHTS TO VOTE AND IS OPEN TO EVERYONE, INCLUDING A KID WALKING AROUND WITH NO LIBRARY CARD. AND BY THE WAY, THE CURRENT PLAN LEAVES A GAPING HOLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY WHERE NO ONE THERE GETS TO HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD LIBRARY. YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT GAPING HOLE IN THE PLAN IS A SIGN. I, OF COURSE, WANT LIBRARIES TO BE OPEN FOR LONGER, BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS HOW THAT GOAL IS ACHIEVED. AND ON ANOTHER NOTE, I HAVE WALKED AND BIKED AROUND THIS CITY A LOT, AND I ALWAYS APPRECIATE COMING ACROSS THE PUBLIC WATER FOUNTAINS. I ALWAYS SAY THANK YOU TO THE CITY. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR THE WATER THAT I'VE NEEDED. FLUORIDE AND ALL. THANKS. THANK YOU. BRIAN TONEY. [00:55:12] GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. I'M BRIAN TONEY, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, DALLAS HOUSING COALITION. YOU'LL NOTICE OUR MEMBERS AND PARTNERS, RESIDENTS, COMMUNITY LEADERS AND ADVOCATES ARE HERE TODAY TO LISTEN AND LEARN ALONGSIDE YOU ALL ABOUT THE STATE OF DALLAS HOUSING. WE'RE HERE BECAUSE THIS ISSUE IS DEEPLY PERSONAL. IT SHAPES WHERE WE LIVE, HOW FAR WE COMMUTE, WHETHER OUR KIDS CAN STAY IN THEIR SCHOOLS, AND WHETHER THE NEXT GENERATION CAN AFFORD TO CALL DALLAS HOME. WE'LL LEAVE THE DATA TO THE PANELISTS, BUT I WANT TO GROUND US IN ONE REALITY. THE HOUSING WE GET IN DALLAS REFLECTS THE CHOICES WE MAKE. AND RIGHT NOW, WE'RE NOT CHOOSING ENOUGH AFFORDABILITY OR ENOUGH HOUSING TYPES THAT ALLOW TO BE BUILT. IF WE WANT INVESTMENT IN EVERY DISTRICT, IF WE WANT TO DESEGREGATE DALLAS, IF WE WANT PATHWAYS OUT OF POVERTY, IT TAKES INTENTIONAL PUBLIC ACTION. THAT MEANS HARD SUBSIDIES LIKE GRANTS, FORGIVABLE LOANS AND BOND FUNDING. IN THE 2024 BOND, WE ASKED FOR $200 MILLION. DALLAS DID NOT MEET THAT MOMENT. WHILE CITIES LIKE SAN ANTONIO ARE ALREADY DEPLOYING SIGNIFICANT HOUSING DOLLARS AND PREPARING TO DO IT AGAIN, IT ALSO MEANS SOFT SUBSIDIES. TOOLS LIKE PFC AND HFC, TAX EXEMPTIONS, REGULATORY RELIEF AND FASTER APPROVALS. THESE ARE NOT GIVEAWAYS. THESE ARE HOW PROJECTS ARE FINANCIALLY MADE POSSIBLE WITHOUT THESE TOOLS. THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WE SO DESPERATELY NEED SIMPLY DOES NOT GET BUILT. AND WHAT OUR COALITION WARNED ABOUT WHEN WE LAUNCHED IN JUNE 2023, WE ARE NOW SEEING COMPANIES RELOCATING TO WHERE THEIR WORKERS CAN AFFORD TO LIVE. DALLAS COUNTY LOSING POPULATION BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO STAY. SCHOOLS CLOSING AS NEIGHBORHOODS AGE AND YOUNGER FAMILIES CAN'T MOVE IN, AND HOMEOWNERS NOT DOWNSIZING BECAUSE THERE ARE NO AFFORDABLE OPTIONS AND THEY'RE STUCK IN LOW RATES. AT THE SAME TIME, CITY SERVICE AND INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS RISE WHILE OUR TAX BASE STRUGGLES TO KEEP UP BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T EMBRACED MIXED USE, WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH A GREATER MIX OF HOUSING OPTIONS TO SUPPORT A RESILIENT CITY. THE RESULT IS CLEAR LONGER COMMUTES, HIGHER COSTS, DECLINING QUALITY OF LIFE. BUT LET'S END ON PARTNERSHIP AND POSSIBILITY. THE RD IS GROWING. WE'VE HIRED TWO COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS AND WE'RE EXPANDING RESIDENT ENGAGEMENT ACROSS THE CITY. AFTER TODAY, WE LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING WITH EACH OF YOU ABOUT ZONING REFORM AND HOW WE CAN SUPPORT COMMUNITY DRIVEN SOLUTIONS IN YOUR DISTRICTS. THIS WEEK, OUR YOUTH AMBASSADORS, INTERNS, ORGANIZERS, AND I WROTE LETTERS TO EACH OF YOU, WHICH WE'VE SHARED TODAY. THAT IS WHAT IS AT STAKE. THAT'S YOUR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THIS CONCLUDES YOUR CITY OF DALLAS REGISTERED OPEN MICROPHONE SPEAKERS. THE REMAINING SPEAKERS WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE CONCLUSION OF ITS CITY BUSINESS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ALL RIGHT, THEN, LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR VOTING AGENDA. [VOTING AGENDA] THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AGENDA ITEM ONE A APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF THE MARCH 4TH, 2026 CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND THE MARCH 4TH, 2026 SPECIAL CALL. CITY COUNCIL MEETING. SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. NEXT ITEM. AGENDA ITEM TWO IS CONSIDERATION OF APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. THIS MORNING YOU ONLY HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL APPOINTMENT. YOUR INDIVIDUAL APPOINTMENT TO THE TO THE CITIZEN HOMELESSNESS COMMISSION. TONY L JOHNSON IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON. MISS JOHNSON MEETS THE GENERAL PUBLIC. SPECIAL QUALIFICATION. THIS IS YOUR NOMINEE, MR. MAYOR. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE? IS THERE A SECOND? IT'S MOVED AND SECONDED. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. CONGRATULATIONS TO THE NOMINEE THERE. AGENDA ITEM THREE. CASTING OF LOTS TO IDENTIFY THE RECOMMENDED VENDOR RESULTING FROM THAI BIDS BETWEEN ON SITE FITNESS SERVICES [CASTING OF LOTS] LLC AND FIT SUPPLY, LLC ON GROUP B IN RESPONSE TO BID. BD26-00029553 FOR A FIVE YEAR SERVICE PRICE AGREEMENT FOR THE PURCHASE OF FITNESS AND EXERCISE EQUIPMENT, AS WELL AS PROVIDING THE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR SERVICE OF FITNESS AND EXERCISE EQUIPMENT FOR VARIOUS CITY DEPARTMENTS. I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE, IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 71.901 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. [01:00:06] WHEN A TIE BID MUST BE RESOLVED, THE MAYOR PERFORMS THE TIE BREAK BY SELECTING RANDOMLY AMONG TIED BIDDERS. MR. MAYOR, I HAVE TWO SEALED ENVELOPES. I WILL ASK THAT YOU SELECT ONE OF THE SEALED ONE SEALED ENVELOPE AND ANNOUNCE THE WINNING BIDDER. OKAY. NO PROBLEM. DO I READ THIS ON THE OUTSIDE OR INSIDE? INSIDE. UNSEAL THE ENVELOPE, MR. MAYOR. THAT'S THE INSIDE. OKAY. ON SITE FITNESS SERVICES, LLC. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THERE'S NO FURTHER ACTION REQUIRED. THE ITEM WILL APPEAR ON A FUTURE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA. MR. MAYOR, YOUR BRIEFINGS CONTINUE. ALL RIGHT, THEN, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OUR ACTUALLY HOLD ON ONE SECOND. LET ME JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT DOING THIS OUT OF ORDER. HOLD ON. ALL RIGHT, THEN, CITY MANAGER, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. [BRIEFINGS] THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YOUR FIRST BRIEFING FOR THIS MORNING IS A COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE SINCE THE CITY INTEGRATED HOUSING, HOMELESS COMMUNITY SERVICES, AND EQUITY INTO THE NEW OFFICE OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT. ALTHOUGH THE DALLAS HOUSING POLICY 2033 HAS BEEN SUNSETTED THE FOUNDATIONAL ELEMENTS THAT SHAPED OUR APPROACH, WHICH INCLUDE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, STRONG, RELIABLE DATA COLLABORATION AMONG OUR PILLARS AND WITH THE DEPARTMENTS AND STAKEHOLDERS, WE HAVE CONTINUED TO CONNECT WITH YOU AND REMAIN CENTRAL TO THIS WORK. WE AIM TO BUILD ON A FOUNDATIONAL HOUSING POLICY LIKE THE DALLAS HOUSING POLICY 33 AND THE FOUR TRACK HOMELESS STRATEGY THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL A FEW YEARS AGO. OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, OUR TEAM HAS TAKEN TIME TO LISTEN, CONSULT WITH YOU, OUR VARIOUS PARTNERS, SERVICE PROVIDERS, REGIONAL COLLABORATORS AND COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS. THE PURPOSE OF TODAY'S BRIEFING IS TO ENSURE THAT OUR NEXT POLICY DIRECTION IS SHAPED BY THE PEOPLE AND DOING THE WORK EVERY SINGLE DAY, AND IT'S ALSO INFORMED BY WHOM WE SERVE. EARLIER THIS YEAR, WE PRESENTED THE EARLY STAGES OF THIS EFFORT TO THE HOUSING AND HOMELESS SOLUTIONS COMMITTEE, RECOGNIZING THE SCALE OF OUR HOUSING CHALLENGES, PRESERVATION, PRODUCTION AND ACCESS. WE BROUGHT IN BOTH LOCAL AND NATIONAL EXPERTS TO HELP US FRAME THE ISSUES. THEIR INSIGHT HELPS ENSURE THAT THE FRAMEWORK THAT WE BRING FORWARD IS GROUNDED IN BEST PRACTICES AND BUILT TO RESPOND TO DALLAS CURRENT AND FUTURE CONDITIONS. TODAY, ALONG WITH OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER LIZ PIERRE AND DIRECTOR THOR ERICKSON, WE ARE PLEASED TO INTRODUCE DALLAS IS HOME. IT'S A PROPOSED FRAMEWORK THAT BUILDS ON THE BEST PRACTICES OF PREVIOUS POLICIES WHILE PURSUING A MULTI-PRONGED APPROACH REFLECTING DALLAS'S DIVERSE NEEDS. THIS IS NOT A FINAL POLICY. IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HAVE A STARTING POINT, A STRUCTURE THAT WILL REQUIRE REFINEMENT, REFINEMENT. WITH YOUR GUIDANCE AND WITH YOUR VISION. AS PART OF TODAY'S BRIEFING, WE'RE ALSO MAKING A VERY CLEAR REQUEST. WE WOULD LIKE TO JOIN YOU IN EACH OF YOUR INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS. WE WANT TO WALK THE SITES WITH YOU, MEET WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND HEAR FIRSTHAND THE CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES. THOSE CONVERSATIONS, WE BELIEVE, WILL BE CRITICAL AS WE SHAPE POLICY. WITH YOUR DIRECTION, THAT IS BOTH A CITY WIDE STRATEGY AND AN AREA SPECIFIC APPROACH. WITH YOUR PARTNERSHIP, WE TRULY BELIEVE THAT WE CAN BUILD A HOUSING AND HOMELESS STRATEGY THAT STRENGTHENS STABILITY, EXPANDS OPPORTUNITY, AND SUPPORTS EVERY PERSON WHO CALLS THIS CITY THEIR HOME. AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DIRECTOR ERICKSON TO INTRODUCE THE PRESENTATION AND THE MANY PARTNERS AND SPEAKERS THAT YOU WILL HEAR FROM THIS MORNING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU. CITY MANAGER TOLBERT. MAYOR JOHNSON, CITY COUNCIL. I AM THOR ERICKSON. I SERVE AS THE DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT. AS WE EMBARK ON DRAFTING A NEW HOUSING POLICY, IT'S ESSENTIAL THAT WE DISCUSS THE CURRENT HOUSING CHALLENGES THAT RENTERS, HOMEOWNERS, AND OUR UNHOUSED NEIGHBORS FACED SO THAT WE UPLIFT HISTORY, UNDERSTAND TODAY, AND ENVISION FOR TOMORROW. I'M PLEASED TO BE JOINED TODAY WITH DOCTOR COLIN CLARKE FROM THE BUSH INSTITUTE. ASHLEY FLORES FROM CHILD POVERTY ACTION LAB. NIA DUGGINS ONLINE FROM THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS. [01:05:06] SARA KHAN FROM HOUSING FORWARD AND NADINE FROM THE COMMUNITIES FOUNDATION OF TEXAS. AND I HOPE I GOT THAT KIND OF CLOSE TODAY. THANK YOU. I ALSO WANT TO THANK OUR CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND HOUSING STAFF FOR PREPARATIONS TODAY. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THE PURPOSE OF TODAY'S BRIEFING IS TO HEAR FROM OUR PARTNERS ON THE DIFFERENT HOUSING CHALLENGES THAT DALLAS RESIDENTS IN DALLAS FACE. WE INTRODUCED DALLAS HOME AND GET YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THIS PIVOTAL MOMENT SO THAT WE, AS STAFF CAN PRESENT A HOUSING POLICY TO YOU THAT REFLECTS THE VAST AND VARIED OPPORTUNITIES AND NEEDS OF DALLASITES IN YOUR DISTRICTS AND OUR GREAT CITY. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THIS IS THE OUTLINE FOR TODAY. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. I PERSONALLY WANT TO THANK DOCTOR CLARK, ASHLEY, NIA, SARAH, NADINE AND FOR THE ENDLESS CONVERSATIONS, RESEARCH, DISCUSSIONS AND COLLECTIVE UNDERSTANDING OF HOUSING POLICY. NEXT SLIDE. I'LL NOW TURN IT OVER TO DOCTOR CALUM CLARK, WHO IS FELLOW AT THE GEORGE BUSH INSTITUTE SMU ECONOMIC GROWTH INITIATIVE AND ADJUNCT PROFESSOR AT ECONOMICS AT SMU, WHO WILL SHARE SOME INSIGHTS FROM HIS RESEARCH NATIONALLY AND LOCALLY REGARDING ECONOMIC IMPACT AND HOUSING POLICY. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. COLUMN. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS COLIN CLARK. I AM A PROUD DALLASITE SINCE BIRTH AND A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT 13. MAYOR. I AM HONORED TODAY TO JOIN THIS GROUP IN SPEAKING ABOUT DALLAS HOUSING CHALLENGES. NEXT SLIDE. I WILL DRAW ON A REPORT THAT THE BUSH INSTITUTE RELEASED ABOUT THIS TIME LAST YEAR CALLED BUILD HOMES EXPAND OPPORTUNITY LESSONS FROM AMERICA'S FASTEST GROWING CITIES. I CALLED IT THIS BECAUSE I THINK THE TWO IDEAS BUILD HOMES AND EXPAND OPPORTUNITY ARE JOINED AT THE HIP IN DALLAS AS THROUGHOUT OUR COUNTRY, OUR REPORT IS NATIONAL IN SCOPE, BUT IT'S ONE OF THE. I THINK THE DEEPER DIVES INTO THE DATA ON LOCALITIES ACROSS OUR COUNTRY, INCLUDING IN DALLAS THAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE THINK TANK WORLD OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. ALSO, JUST THIS YEAR, I WROTE A SHORT PIECE ALONG WITH MY GOOD FRIEND ASHLEY FLORES, WHO YOU'LL HEAR FROM IN A MOMENT, SPECIFICALLY ABOUT DALLAS. AND I THINK CITY STAFF HAS THAT, AND WE'D LOVE FOR YOU ALL TO ALL SEE THAT. SO NEXT SLIDE. SO I BELIEVE THAT THE EVIDENCE IS OVERWHELMING THAT THE BIGGEST DRIVER OF DALLAS AFFORDABILITY CRISIS IS ULTIMATELY NATIONAL. IT IS THAT OUR COUNTRY UNDERBUILT HOUSING DRAMATICALLY OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE SLIDE THE YELLOW LINE THAT GOES REALLY LOW THERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS IS THE NUMBER OF NEW HOUSING UNITS ADDED PER YEAR IN THE UNITED STATES. YOU'LL SEE THAT IT TOOK A HUGE DIP. THE GREEN AND BLUE LINES ARE A LOW AND HIGH ESTIMATE BY ME OF WHAT REALLY WE NEEDED TO BUILD IN THIS COUNTRY OVER TIME, BASED ON NORMAL GROWTH IN THE NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS AND IN DIFFERENT ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT THE LONG TERM OBSOLESCENCE OF THE HOUSING STOCK. AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THAT WE HAD A HUGE DIP. WE BECAME PART OF THE WAY BACK, BUT NOT FULLY BACK. AND NOW THE RED DOTTED LINE GOING OUT IS THAT'S HOW MANY WE WILL ADD IF WE STAY AT CURRENT RATES OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S TOO LOW AND TOO LOW MEANS THAT WE WILL LIKELY SEE A CONTINUATION IN THE FUTURE OF HOME PRICES RISING RELATIVE TO PEOPLE'S INCOMES IF WE DON'T DO A BETTER JOB. IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEXT SLIDE WHAT THE SLIDE ON THE LEFT DOES, IT SHOWS THREE DIFFERENT MEASURES OF AFFORDABILITY AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL, RENT HOME PRICES AND THE COST OF HOME OWNERSHIP, INCLUDING PRICES AS WELL AS MORTGAGE RATES. AND WHAT IT SHOWS IS THAT ALL THREE OF THEM RELATIVE TO PEOPLE'S INCOME IN OUR COUNTRY STAND AT ABOUT 20 TO 25% ON AVERAGE, HIGHER THAN THEY DID AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CENTURY. THAT REFLECTS UNDERPRODUCTION AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL OF ABOUT 5 TO 8 MILLION UNITS. WHY AM I TALKING ABOUT THE NATION? IT IS, OF COURSE, A BACKDROP TO OUR OWN PROBLEMS, BUT IT'S ALSO A DIRECT DIRECTLY FUELS OUR OWN PROBLEMS VERY SIMPLY. AMERICA FAILED TO BUILD ENOUGH HOUSING, AND PLACES THAT WERE VERY EXPENSIVE SAW GREAT OUTFLOWS OF PEOPLE, AND DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBERS OF THEM CAME TO NORTH TEXAS. AND THE BASIC STORY, I THINK, IN OUR REGION IS THAT WE BUILT A WHOLE LOT OF HOMES EVER SINCE 2010, BUT WE DID NOT BUILD ENOUGH TO KEEP UP WITH THAT ENORMOUS INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LIVE HERE. SO NEXT THREE SLIDES, I'LL TALK ABOUT THE CITY OF DALLAS. AND WHAT I'VE DONE IS COMPARE OUR CITY TO 11 OTHER FAST GROWING LET'S SAY IN DEMAND SUNBELT CITIES, CORE CITIES, AS WELL AS FRISCO, MCKINNEY, DENTON, AND PLANO. AND WITH THE THREE SLIDES SHOW VERY SIMPLY IS KIND OF ON AVERAGE ACROSS THE THREE SLIDES. OUR CITY HAS BEEN SOMETHING OF AN UNDERPERFORMER IN BUILDING NEW HOUSING RELATIVE TO THESE OTHER OTHER SUNBELT CITIES. THE FIRST ONE SHOWS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ADJUSTED FOR POPULATION. YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'VE BEEN AMONG THE THE LOWEST CITIES OF THIS GROUP ON THERE. [01:10:03] WE'RE STILL A LOT BETTER THAN LIKE SAN FRANCISCO AND LA, BUT RELATIVE TO THE OTHER PLACES THAT HAVE SEEN DEMAND GROWTH, WE HAVE UNDERPERFORMED, UNDERPERFORMED PRETTY DRAMATICALLY RELATIVE EVEN TO OUR NEIGHBORS IN FORT WORTH. THE NEXT TWO SLIDES ARE ABOUT APARTMENTS. THE DATA COMES FROM THE FIRM YARDI MATRIX. THEY ARE REALLY THE PREMIER FIRM COUNTING APARTMENTS THAT GET BUILT AROUND THE COUNTRY. THEIR DATA ONLY COVERS RELATIVELY LARGE BUILDINGS. IT EXCLUDES VERY SMALL ONES, SO IT DOESN'T QUITE COVER 100%, BUT IT COVERS ALMOST ALL THE NEW BUILDING, THE NEW APARTMENTS THAT ARE GETTING ADDED IN OUR COUNTRY WITH GREAT GEOGRAPHIC DETAIL. THE THE, THE MIDDLE SLIDE OR THE, I THINK THE ONE THAT WE'RE ON NOW. YEAH. IS WHAT THEY CALL MID-RANGE APARTMENTS. SOMETIMES PEOPLE CALL THAT WORKFORCE HOUSING. THE MORE AFFORDABLE END OF THE MARKET RATE SEGMENT THAT DOES NOT HAVE A PUBLIC SECTOR SUBSIDY BEHIND IT. ON THAT MEASURE, WHAT WE SEE IS THAT DALLAS IS A BIT OF A, LET'S SAY A LITTLE BIT BELOW THE AVERAGE PERFORMER IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'VE ADDED, BUT PRETTY DARN FAR BEHIND ATLANTA, FORT WORTH, CHARLOTTE. AND OF COURSE, OUR VERY HIGH GROWTH SUBURBAN PLACES LIKE MCKINNEY AND FRISCO. IF YOU LOOK AT THE THE NEXT ONE THE YARDI DATA LOOKS AT INCOME RESTRICTED UNITS, SO SUBSIDIZED BY GOVERNMENT IN SOME FORM OR ANOTHER. HFC, DFC, LIGHTTECH AND OTHER MECHANISMS. AND WHAT DO WE SEE THERE? I WANT TO CALL ATTENTION TO THREE POINTS ABOUT THIS SLIDE. THE FIRST IS THAT THE I'LL BE A LITTLE WONKY, BUT THE VERTICAL SCALE IS VERY DIFFERENT IN THIS SLIDE VERSUS THE PREVIOUS ONE. THE POINT IS THAT INCOME RESTRICTED UNITS, EVEN IN CITIES THAT ARE DOING A GOOD JOB ON THAT FRONT THE MID-RANGE OR THE WORKFORCE HOUSING IS TYPICALLY ABOUT 5 TO 10 TIMES BIGGER IN TERMS OF THE NEW PRODUCTION THAN THE INCOME RESTRICTED. SO IT'S IT'S MOST OF THE NEW, RELATIVELY AFFORDABLE THAT GETS HOUSING THAT GETS BUILT. SO THE INCOME RESTRICTED PART IS ALWAYS KIND OF ON THE SMALLER SIDE, BUT EVERY BIT HELPS. SECOND THING I WANT TO NOTE IS THAT THE THE DATA SHOWS 2010 TO 16 AND THEN 2017 TO 23 IN THE BLUE. AND WHAT IT SHOWS WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DALLAS COLUMNS IS THE DALLAS HAD A PRECIPITOUS FALL THAT AMOUNTS TO AN 88% DECLINE IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW INCOME RESTRICTED UNITS, 2017 TO 23 VERSUS THE PREVIOUS PERIOD. NO OTHER CITY EXPERIENCED ANYTHING REMOTELY LIKE THAT. AND THE NEXT THING I WANT TO JUST CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO IS IF WE COMPARE DALLAS TO OTHER, OTHER URBAN CENTERS IN THE SUNBELT AND THE DIFFERENCES ARE ENORMOUS. FORT WORTH BUILT AT ALMOST 20 TIMES FASTER PACE OVER THOSE SEVEN YEARS. IF WE HAD THE VERY MOST RECENT DATA THAT THAT THOR HAS SHARED WITH ME, IT WOULD SHOW THAT IN 24, WE DID HAVE A BOUNCE BACK TO SOMETHING LIKE HOUSTON'S LEVEL, I.E. TO STILL A BELOW AVERAGE LEVEL, BUT BETTER THAN IT WAS DURING THOSE SEVEN YEARS. WHAT HAS ALL THIS MEANT FOR AFFORDABILITY? THREE QUICK SLIDES ON AFFORDABILITY. WHAT IT SHOWS IN A NUTSHELL IS THAT IF YOU UNDER-PRODUCE, YOU GET HIGHER THAN EXPENSIVE HOUSING COSTS RELATIVE TO INCOMES. AND WHAT WE SEE IS SINGLE FAMILY, WE ACTUALLY DO OKAY LIKE OTHER TEXAS CITIES COMPARED TO ELSEWHERE IN THE SUNBELT, BUT ON TWO DIFFERENT MEASURES OF RENT, MEDIAN RENTS TO THE 40TH PERCENTILE HOUSEHOLD AND THE 30TH PERCENTILE HOUSEHOLD, WHICH I THINK ARE THE THAT WE SORT OF HAVE TO GET TO ABOUT 30 OR 40TH PERCENTILE BEFORE PEOPLE START TO REALLY HURT IN TERMS OF THE THE AMOUNT OF THEIR INCOME THAT'S GOING TO HOUSING. YOU'LL SEE THAT FOR THE 40TH INCOME HOUSEHOLD, THAT IS A RENTER IN DALLAS, THEY'RE SPENDING ABOUT 40% OF THEIR INCOME ON RENT. FEDERAL GUIDELINES SUGGEST IT SHOULD BE NOT MORE THAN 30. IF WE GO TO THE TO THE 30TH PERCENTILE OF FAMILY, SO 30% UP FROM THE BOTTOM IN TERMS OF THE INCOME DISTRIBUTION, THEY'RE SPENDING ABOUT 47% OF THEIR INCOME ON HOUSING OVERALL, A VERY SEVERE BURDEN INDEED. AND THERE TOO, WE ARE TOWARDS THE HIGH END OF EXPENSE. HIGH AND RISING HOME PRICES AND RENTS HAVE JUST A HANDFUL OF PRETTY IMPORTANT IMPLICATIONS. NUMBER ONE, THEY ARE A HARDSHIP ON A GREAT MANY OF OUR, OF OUR FELLOW RESIDENTS, PARTICULARLY LOWER AND MODERATE INCOME DALLASITES. NUMBER TWO, HIGH AND RISING HOME PRICES AND RENTS ARE THE SINGLE BEST PREDICTOR OF DISPLACEMENT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. NUMBER THREE, HIGH AND RISING HOME PRICES ARE THE BEST PREDICTOR AROUND OF LOW AND FALLING HOME OWNERSHIP LEVELS, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE'VE EXPERIENCED IN OUR CITY. AND FOURTH, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE LOST A LOT OF OUR, OUR HOUSING COST ADVANTAGE RELATIVE TO PLACES ELSEWHERE IN THE COUNTRY ALSO HAS DIMINISHED OUR COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE IN ECONOMIC TERMS. AND WE SEE THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, IN VERY RECENT CENSUS DATA ON PEOPLE MOVING AROUND THE UNITED STATES. IT JUST CAME OUT LAST WEEK, OR IT WOULD HAVE HAD IT IN THE SLIDE DECK. WHAT WE SAW IS THAT NET DOMESTIC IN-MIGRATION FROM ELSEWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES INTO THE DFW METRO IS DOWN ABOUT 80% RELATIVE TO THE HIGH LEVELS IT REACHED BETWEEN 20 AND 23. A LOT OF PLACES HAVE SEEN SLOWDOWNS THERE. WE SAW A BIGGER SLOWDOWN THAN ALMOST ANY PLACE ELSE. AND IF WE TAKE DALLAS COUNTY, WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AND ACCELERATING NET OUTFLOW OF PEOPLE TO ELSEWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES. [01:15:04] WE'VE ALSO SEEN A SLOWDOWN IN BUSINESS RELOCATIONS. ON THE OTHER HAND, RAY OF HOPE, IF YOU WILL. WE HAVE SEEN IN A NUMBER OF CITIES THAT IF YOU HAVE A BIG ENOUGH BUILDING, BOOM, YOU ACTUALLY DO REVERSE THIS, THESE UPTRENDS IN HOME PRICES AND RENTS RELATIVE TO PEOPLE'S INCOMES. WE'VE SEEN IT MOST DRAMATICALLY IN AUSTIN, WHICH HAD THE BIGGEST RELATIVE TO POPULATION, THE BIGGEST BUILDING BOOM OF ANY MAJOR METROPOLITAN AREA OR BIG CITY OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. AND AS A RESULT, THEY HAVE REVERSED NOT ALL, BUT A SUBSTANTIAL PART OF THE GREAT BIG RUN UP THEY HAD IN HOME PRICES AND RENTS. LAST SLIDE IS ABOUT CONSIDERATIONS JUST ON THE THE KIND OF THE LONG LIST OF THINGS THAT THAT I HOPE THAT CITY WILL THINK ABOUT. JUST A LOT, A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS IN THE TOOLKIT, IF YOU WILL. THE FIRST TWO NOTABLY ARE ACTIONS THE LEGISLATURE TOOK IN THE LAST SESSION BUILDING MULTIFAMILY AND MIXED USE WALKABLE RESIDENTIAL REAL ESTATE IN COMMERCIALLY ZONED AREAS. SB 840. I HOPE THAT THE CITY GETS THE VERY MOST OUT OF THAT LEGISLATION THAT WE CAN. LIKEWISE, MINIMUM LOT SIZE REFORM. SB 15. THERE TOO. I HOPE THAT WE GET EVERYTHING WE CAN OUT OF IT AND ALSO GO CITYWIDE WITH THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE REFORM, AS BOTH HOUSTON AND AUSTIN HAVE DONE. PARKING REFORM. WE'VE DONE SOME OF. THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR MORE CREATING A SET OF PRE-APPROVED DESIGNS. THIS WILL VERY LIKELY BE A BILL IN THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION IN IN AUSTIN, AND IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE COULD DO INDEPENDENT OF ANY ACTION BY THE STATE GOVERNMENT ACTIVATING PUBLIC LAND, ESPECIALLY NEAR PUBLIC TRANSIT. AUSTIN AND OTHER CITIES HAVE INCREASINGLY HIRED MUNICIPAL PROPERTY ADVISORS. THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE STUDIED AS A MEMBER OF A GROUP CALLED THE NATIONAL HOUSING CRISIS TASK FORCE, AN OUTSIDE REAL ESTATE ADVISOR TO WORK SPECIFICALLY ON CONTRACT TO HELP ACTIVATE THAT PUBLICLY OWNED LAND. GOOD NEWS IS THAT DART ALSO HAS A VERY ACTIVE EFFORT AFOOT TO ACTIVATE DART OWNED LAND CLOSE TO TRANSIT STOPS. PUTTING THE WHOLE SUBSIDIZED HOUSING TOOLKIT TO WORK IN AS MANY LOCATIONS AS POSSIBLE WITH AS MUCH PRODUCTION AS POSSIBLE, IS CLEARLY SOMETHING WHERE WE HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF ROOM TO IMPROVE. PARTNERING WITH THE NONPROFIT AND BUSINESS SECTOR, AS YOU'LL HEAR, AMONG OTHER THINGS FROM MY FRIEND NADINE, OUR NONPROFIT SECTOR IS EAGER TO GO CHOMPING AT THE BIT AND REALLY WANTS TO BE A PARTNER IN ADDRESSING OUR HOUSING CHALLENGES. AND I WILL ALSO JUST SAY, WE MUST RECOGNIZE THAT ANY EFFORT THAT IS JUST IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, BUT NOT REGION WIDE AND IN FACT GOES FURTHER, WILL HAVE SOME IMPACT, BUT IT WON'T HAVE THE MAXIMUM IMPACT WE COULD HAVE BECAUSE WE ARE JOINED AT THE HIP WITH OTHER NEARBY COMMUNITIES NEARBY AND WE NEED. IF, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CITY OF DALLAS HAD A HOUSING BOOM. BUT THAT WAS OFFSET BY A SLOWDOWN IN SOME OF THE SUBURBAN PLACES, WE WOULD SEE A LITTLE BIT OF EFFECT. WE WOULDN'T SEE AS MUCH AS WE ALL HOPE FOR. I HAVE SEVERAL SLIDES THAT HAVE KIND OF PRINCIPLES FROM OUR BUSH INSTITUTE REPORT, WHICH MAYBE I CAN SPEAK TO IN THE Q&A IF YOU'D LIKE, BUT I THINK THAT IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I SHOULD PASS THINGS OVER TO MY FRIEND ASHLEY. WELL, THANK YOU. DOCTOR CLARK FOR YOUR REMARKS. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT. IF WE CAN MOVE TO SLIDE 23, WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO GO TO NIA DUGGAN'S FIRST. NIA IS JOINING US VIRTUALLY FROM WASHINGTON, D.C. NIA DUGGINS IS A SENIOR POLICY REPRESENTATIVE. BUSINESS ISSUES WITH THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR REALTORS, WHO HAS SOME UPDATES FOR US ON HOMEOWNERSHIP DATA NATIONALLY AND HERE LOCALLY IN DALLAS. SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU, NIA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. ERICKSON. AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE MAYOR, THE CITY COUNCIL AND ALSO MISS TOLBERT AS WELL. I APOLOGIZE THAT I CANNOT BE THERE IN PERSON. UNFORTUNATELY, DUE TO A RECENT PASSING AND DEATH IN MY FAMILY, BUT HAPPY TO SHARE. HAPPY TO JOIN. AND I'M ALWAYS EXCITED AND PASSIONATE TO TALK ABOUT HOUSING. SO I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT HOUSING SOME FROM A. NIA, CAN I PAUSE YOU. NIA, I NEED YOU TO HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON SO WE CAN SEE YOU HERE AND, AND FOR OUR OPEN MEETING. I'VE STARTED MY VIDEO ON MY END, SO I'M NOT SURE. I HAVE MY VIDEO TURNED ON, SO I'M NOT SURE WHY. YOU AREN'T ABLE TO SEE ME. YEAH. WE'RE JUST GOING TO TAKE A QUICK WE'RE STAYING EAST FOR JUST A MINUTE UNTIL WE CAN SEE. OKAY. THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. GREAT. OKAY. ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE ME IN HERE? YES. YOU CAN. GO AHEAD. WE CAN SEE YOU NOW. THANK YOU. SORRY ABOUT THAT. OKAY, PERFECT. PERFECT. YEAH. SO IT'S A PLEASURE TO JOIN YOU. I'M ALWAYS PASSIONATE AND EXCITED TO TALK ABOUT HOUSING. MY NAME IS NIA DUGGINS. I WORK AS THE SENIOR POLICY REPRESENTATIVE AT THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS IN WASHINGTON, D.C., AND I WORK ACTUALLY ON FEDERAL HOUSING POLICY THAT IMPACTS OUR COUNTRY ACROSS THE BOARD. SO I WORK WITH AND ENGAGE WITH SEVERAL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND VARIOUS FEDERAL AGENCIES TO DISCUSS HOUSING AND ITS IMPORTANCE. [01:20:02] SO I'M GOING TO PRESENT TODAY SOME ON A MACRO LEVEL, AND THEN WE WILL GET INTO SOME OF THE MICRO DATA IN TERMS OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN DALLAS. GIVE ME ONE SECOND, PLEASE. I THINK ACTUALLY IF WE GO TO SLIDE 27 OR 26. SORRY. OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO I'D LIKE TO JUST START OUT GOING OVER AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL WHAT IS HAPPENING ACROSS THE COUNTRY. WE, THERE ARE SOME MAJOR STATS THAT WE UNDERSTAND IN TERMS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. THE FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO START OFF WITH IS THE IMPORTANCE OF HOME OWNERSHIP. HOME HOME OWNERSHIP IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT HOME OWNERS HAVE 40 TIMES THE NET WORTH OF RENTERS. SO IT'S IMPORTANT AS A WEALTH BUILDING TOOL. IT'S IMPORTANT AS A GENERATIONAL WEALTH BUILDER AS WELL. AND SO AT THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS. OUR MISSION AND OUR PURPOSE IS TO ADVANCE HOUSING. WE HAVE SEVERAL LOCAL ASSOCIATIONS I KNOW THERE. THE METRO TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS AND WE HAVE SOME REPRESENTATIVES THAT ARE PRESENT THERE TODAY. MATTHEW CHURCH AND OTHERS. BUT OUR GOAL IS TO ADVANCE HOUSING AND TO ALSO ENHANCE OWNERSHIP. WE UNDERSTAND THAT OWNERSHIP AND HOME OWNERSHIP IS VERY IMPORTANT. IN THE LAST TEN YEARS ALSO, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE TYPICAL HOME OWNER ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAS ACCUMULATED MORE THAN $195,000 IN WEALTH DUE TO HOME APPRECIATION. THE CURRENT MEDIAN HOME PRICE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. AND THIS IS DATA THAT WAS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO LOOK AT AS, AS RECENT AS FEBRUARY OF 2026, BUT IT'S $405,000. SO THIS IS THE MEDIAN HOME PRICE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, RIGHT? LIKE THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF MEDIAN HOME PRICES. WE UNDERSTAND THAT AFFORDABILITY AS IS AN ISSUE. AS DOCTOR CLARK MENTIONED, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH HOUSING STOCK. SO WE'RE ON AVERAGE ABOUT 4 MILLION UNITS SHORT OF HOUSING STOCK, WHICH IS WHY THE COST OF HOUSING IS EXTREMELY HIGH. SO EXISTING HOUSING COSTS ARE HIGH AND NEW HOUSES THAT ARE COMING ONTO THE MARKET AND NEW CONSTRUCTION IS ALSO HIGH GIVEN THE COST TO BUILD. FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY LAST YEAR, THE MEDIAN AGE OF A FIRST TIME HOME BUYER WAS 40 YEARS OLD. THIS IS VERY CONCERNING ALSO BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT GIVEN HOW THE MARKET IS SET UP MANY BUYERS PURCHASE WITH A 30 YEAR FIXED MORTGAGE. SOMETIMES THEY, YOU KNOW, BUYERS WILL GET AN ADJUSTABLE RATE MORTGAGE IF THEY'RE ENTERING THE MARKET. BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE ABILITY TO ACCUMULATE WEALTH AND USE HOME OWNERSHIP AS A WEALTH DRIVER IT IS SOMEWHAT STIFLED IF THE FIRST TIME BUYER IS NOT PURCHASING AND SO 40 YES, IT'S STILL ATTAINABLE. YES, IT'S STILL ACHIEVABLE, BUT WE WANT THAT AGE TO BE A LOT LOWER. IN THE PAST FEW YEARS, IT WAS 38 AND THEN PRIOR TO THAT 35, BUT ON AVERAGE, WE WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE WITHIN THE MID TO LATE 20S SO THAT A HOME BUYER IS ABLE TO REALLY UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE WEALTH FOR GENERATIONS AND OVER THEIR LIFETIME, THE MEDIAN AGE OF REPEAT BUYERS IS ACTUALLY 62. SO THAT IS ALSO AT AN ALL TIME HIGH. AND THOSE ARE NUMBERS THAT AGAIN, WE LOOK AT AND WE UNDERSTAND AS MARKET DYNAMICS THAT CAN BE A BIT CONCERNING. WE HAVE ALSO ASSESSED THAT THE TOP SOURCES OF DOWN PAYMENTS PRIMARILY THAT BUYERS ARE USING COME FROM PERSONAL SAVINGS. WE KNOW THAT SOME INDIVIDUALS AND HOUSEHOLDS ARE BORROWING AGAINST THEIR 401 S AND RETIREMENT FUNDS IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE A HOME AND THEN ALSO GIFTS OR LOANS FROM FAMILY AND FRIENDS. WE ALSO KNOW THAT THERE ARE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS ON THE MARKET. HOWEVER, FOR SOME BUYERS, THAT IS ESPECIALLY THE MISSING MIDDLE, THAT IS A CHALLENGE BECAUSE SOME OF THEM DO NOT QUALIFY BASED UPON THEIR INCOME. HOWEVER, THEY NEED SOME TYPE OF BUMP OR SOME TYPE OF ASSISTANCE TO GET INTO A HOME, EVEN THOUGH THEY CAN SUSTAIN MONTH TO MONTH OVER THE [01:25:02] LIFE OF THE LOAN. SO THAT IS, THESE ARE ALL IMPORTANT METRICS THAT I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT. AND ALSO THE EMPHASIS ON HOUSING SUPPLY THAT WE ARE SHORT HOUSES THROUGHOUT OUR COUNTRY AND WE'VE UNDERBUILT. AND THAT IS ALSO EXACERBATING THE HOUSING CRISIS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. I'LL JUST QUICKLY HIGHLIGHT THIS THIS IS A HOME, HOME OWNERSHIP TRENDS BY RACE. WE ACTUALLY AT THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS LOOK AT HOMEOWNERSHIP RATES BY RACE ON A PRETTY ANNUAL BASIS AND WE RELEASE REPORTS ON THAT. THIS IS DATA PRIMARILY FROM 2013 TO 2023 THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT. AND YOU CAN SEE REALLY THE BREAKDOWN BY RACE WITH WHITE HOUSEHOLDS LEADING IN TERMS OF HOME OWNERSHIP AND THEN BLACK HOUSEHOLDS WITH THE REDLINE, WITH HOME OWNERSHIP AT 44.7%. ALSO ASIAN AND HISPANIC HOUSEHOLDS ARE ACCOUNTED FOR AS WELL HERE. WE DO EXPECT OVER TIME, OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS THAT THE HOME OWNERSHIP RATES AMONG HISPANIC HOUSEHOLDS TO REALLY LEAD IN MANY WAYS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THIS LOOKS AT THE MEDIAN AGE OF HOME BUYERS, WHICH WE ALSO LOOK AT. SO WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED AS RECENT AS LAST YEAR, WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS DATA FROM 1981 TO THE PRESENT. AND SO IT REALLY JUST ECHOES WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER. THE MEDIAN AGE OF A HOME BUYER IS 40. THE REPEAT BUYER, THE MEDIAN AGE IS 62. AND THEN ALL, ALL BUYERS, IT'S AROUND 59 ON AVERAGE. SO THAT IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF AGE DEMOGRAPHICS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THIS LOOKS AT ALSO THE AGE OF HOME BUYERS, BUT IT LOOKS AT IT REALLY BASED UPON VARIOUS GENERATIONS. SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT AMONG GEN Z BUYERS, THE MEDIAN AGE IS 22. AMONG YOUNGER MILLENNIALS, IT'S 31. OLDER MILLENNIALS, IT'S 40 GEN X 52. YOUNG BOOMERS, IT'S 65. OLDER BOOMERS, IT'S 73. AND THEN THE SILENT GENERATION IS 81. SO THIS IS ALSO A BREAKDOWN BASED UPON THE OUR RESEARCH BASED UPON HOME BUYERS AND ALSO GENERATIONAL TRENDS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO THIS IS DATA THAT WE ACTUALLY PULLED THAT IS FOCUSED ON WHO HOME BUYERS ARE. AND THIS IS ALSO BASED ON CENSUS DATA. SO WE LOOKED AT THE CENSUS DATA AND WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PULL IT. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE MEDIAN AGE OF HOME BUYERS IN THE DALLAS AREA IS ABOUT 41. MEDIAN INCOME IS 126,000, GIVE OR TAKE. AND SOME OF THE DATA, AGAIN, IS BASED ON CENSUS DATA THAT WE LOOK AT. ALSO, YOU'LL NOTE THAT AT THE TOP OF THIS SLIDE THERE IS DEMOGRAPHIC DATA REGARDING RACE AS WELL. IN TERMS OF THE PERCENTAGES OF BUYERS FROM VARIOUS RACES. SO THIS IS ALSO JUST LIKE A BREAKDOWN. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THESE ARE ALSO SOME DALLAS AREA HOUSING STATISTICS IN TERMS OF THE SHARE OF BUYERS LIKE THEIR AGE AND ALSO GENDER IN ADDITION TO MIGRATION STATUS AND HOUSEHOLD. SO WE CAN SEE THAT THE LARGEST SHARE OF BUYERS GENERALLY IS THEY ARE BETWEEN 25 TO 34 THAT ARE PURCHASING IN THE DALLAS AREA WITH MALE BUYERS LEADING. BUT THAT COULD ALSO BE, WE KNOW FOR SURE THAT THERE ARE HOUSEHOLDS AND MARRIED COUPLES PRIMARILY LEADING. SO EVEN THOUGH WE SEE THAT THERE ARE A LARGE SHARE OF PREDOMINANTLY MALES BUYING MORE THAN FEMALE BUYERS, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE PURCHASING AND FAMILIES ESSENTIALLY. YOU'LL ALSO NOTE THAT THAT MANY FOLKS WHO ARE MOVING INTO DALLAS HAVE MOVED FROM OTHER STATES. SO WE KNOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF MIGRATION POST COVID, BUT ALSO THERE IS A LOT OF MIGRATION INTO THE DALLAS AREA FROM NEIGHBORING STATES AND FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THIS SLIDE FOCUSES ALSO ON ADDITIONAL DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION IN TERMS OF INCOME LEVELS. SO THE, THE LARGEST SHARE OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE PURCHASING EARN BETWEEN 50,000 TO $100,000, [01:30:04] AND THAT'S AT 25.1%. WE ALSO KNOW SOME EDUCATIONAL INFORMATION THAT MANY OF THEM, IN A LARGE SHARE OF BUYERS DO HOLD BACHELOR'S DEGREES. SO THAT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE IN TERMS OF WHO'S ENTERING THE MARKET, YOU KNOW, AND, AND JUST DEMOGRAPHICS ABOUT WHO THE BUYERS ARE IN THE DALLAS AREA. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. WE ALSO LOOKED AT WHAT THE TYPES OF HOUSING STOCK, ONE THAT'S NEEDED, BUT ALSO JUST UNDERSTANDING WHAT, WHAT BUYERS ARE PURCHASING. AND SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT BUYERS PRIMARILY ARE PURCHASING SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES STILL EXIST. PEOPLE ARE STILL INTERESTED IN THEM, BUT PRIMARILY THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PURCHASING. AND THEN ALSO LIKE A SELECT PORTION OF SOME BUYERS ARE ALSO PURCHASING MOBILE HOMES. GENERALLY, MOST OF THE BUYERS ARE ALSO FINANCING, SO WE CAN TELL THAT THEY ARE USING SOME TYPE OF FINANCING MECHANISM. I WILL NOTE THAT ALL CASH BUYERS ARE IN THE MARKETPLACE AS WE KNOW, AND THEY ARE ENGAGING IN PURCHASING REAL ESTATE STILL, BUT BY AND LARGE, MANY HOME BUYERS AND MANY PURCHASERS OF REAL ESTATE ARE USING FINANCING. WE ALSO ARE LOOKING AT MEDIAN PROPERTY VALUES, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE MEDIAN PROPERTY VALUE IS, IS ON TREND WITH THE NATIONAL AVERAGE AROUND 434,000. LARGE. IT'S STILL VERY EXPENSIVE TO ENTER HOME OWNERSHIP AT THIS TIME. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THIS SLIDE IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT IN THAT IT EXPLAINS THAT THE LARGEST SHARE OF BUYERS OR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN PURCHASING WITHIN THE DALLAS AREA THAT EARN AN INCOME OF $75,000. CATEGORY. YOU'LL SEE HOW MANY LIKE INDIVIDUALS ARE ABLE TO ACCESS HOME OWNERSHIP SEE, LIKE THE INCOME LEVELS, BUT IF YOU GO TO THE LISTINGS, THAT MEANS THAT THERE ARE MISSING LISTINGS WITHIN THE PLACE. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE UNDERSTAND AND RECOGNIZE IS THERE, THERE'S A LARGE SHARE OF MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, RIGHT? SO FOLKS THAT DO NOT NECESSARILY QUALIFY FOR LOW INCOME OR DON'T FIT WITHIN THAT THRESHOLD. HOWEVER, THEY STILL CANNOT AFFORD TO ENTER HOME OWNERSHIP BECAUSE THERE'S NOT THERE ARE NOT ANY HOMES THAT THEY CAN AFFORD AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH HOUSING STOCK. SO ON AVERAGE, ON THIS SLIDE IS SHOWING THAT THERE ARE ROUGHLY 12,000 HOMES THAT ARE MISSING AND ARE NOT IN THE MARKETPLACE. RIGHT. OR WANT TO BUY IS BUILT UP DEMAND. HOWEVER, THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH LISTINGS THAT THEY CAN AFFORD. IN ORDER TO SUSTAIN HOME OWNERSHIP OVER TIME. AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT A NATIONAL ISSUE ACROSS THE BOARD IS NOT UNIQUE TO DALLAS, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE HOUSING STOCK THAT IS AVAILABLE ON EVERY LEVEL. FOR AFFORDABLE, HOWEVER, MISSING MIDDLE IS A SIGNIFICANT SUBSET OF HOUSING THAT IS A CHALLENGE AT THIS TIME, RIGHT? A LOT OF WORKING PROFESSIONALS THAT CANNOT WORK WHERE THEY LIVE. THEY HAVE TO COMMUTE AND HAVE OTHER CHALLENGES. OTHER MEDIAN DATA THAT WE LOOKED AT. HEY NIA, WE'RE HAVING SOME GLITCHES A LITTLE BIT IN YOUR AUDIO. WILL YOU, CAN YOU JUMP TO CONSIDERATIONS AND GIVE US YOUR FINAL THOUGHTS ON THIS WHILE WE STILL HAVE YOU? YOU LOOK LIKE YOU MIGHT HAVE FROZE AGAIN. OKAY. ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR ME? YES. OKAY. SO VERY HIGH LEVEL CONSIDERATIONS. THESE ARE SOME OF THE. CONSIDERATIONS AS WELL THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. LIMITATIONS ON INSTITUTIONAL INVESTORS. THIS THAT CONGRESS IS LOOKING AT. THE PRESIDENT HAS ANNOUNCED AND DISCUSSED AS SOMEWHAT FOR HIS ADMINISTRATION. TAX INCENTIVES AS WELL FOR CURRENT SELLERS TO SUPPORT FIRST HOME BUYERS. A 50 YEAR MORTGAGE HAS BEEN DISCUSSED. LEVEL UP. HOUSING SUPPLY CONCERNS CONTINUE TO LINGER. IN ADDITION TO REFORMS TO THE GSES FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC, [01:35:07] FREDDIE MAC CASH IN THE MARKETPLACE ALSO IS SOMETHING THAT IS A CONSIDERATION AND, AND HOW IT SHOULD BE HANDLED AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. AND THEN ALSO THE SALE OF FEDERAL LAND FOR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. SO THESE. ARE THAT ALSO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL SHOULD, SHOULD CONSIDER IN DALLAS AS YOU LOOK TO ADDRESS HOUSING NEEDS. SO WITH THAT, I WILL CONCLUDE. THANK YOU SO MUCH, NIA. REALLY APPRECIATE YOU JOINING US AND CONDOLENCES AGAIN. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. ASHLEY FLORES IS THE CHIEF OF HOUSING AT THE CHILD POVERTY ACTION LAB. SHE JOINS US HERE LOCALLY TO SHARE SOME FINDINGS FROM THEIR RECENT RENTAL NEEDS ASSESSMENT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND ASHLEY, TURN IT OVER TO YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME. YOU CAN GO AND CLICK TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO AS THOR MENTIONED, I'M HERE TODAY TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE STATE OF THE RENTAL HOUSING MARKET IN DALLAS. BUT BEFORE WE GET TO THAT DATA, I WANTED TO REALLY START THE CONVERSATION WITH KEPPEL'S VISION FOR HOUSING. OUR HOPE FOR HOUSING IS THAT ALL KIDS AND THEIR FAMILIES CAN ACCESS HOUSING THAT IS HEALTHY AND SAFE, THAT'S AFFORDABLE, STABLE, AND IN A COMMUNITY THAT BEGETS ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. NEXT SLIDE. IF WE BREAK DOWN THIS VISION STATEMENT, FURTHER RESEARCH POINTS TO FOUR DIMENSIONS OF HOUSING THAT MOST MATTER FOR RESIDENTS, BOTH IN THE SHORT TERM AND IN THE LONG TERM HOUSING QUALITY, HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, HOUSING, LOCATION OR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND HOUSING STABILITY. NEXT SLIDE. ALL FOUR OF THESE DIMENSIONS ARE WORTHY OF OUR CONSIDERATION. BUT TODAY THE DATA I'LL BE SHARING IS JUST FOCUSED ON STABILITY AND AFFORDABILITY. NEXT SLIDE. IN TERMS OF UNDERSTANDING HOUSING STABILITY IN DALLAS IN REAL TIME, OUR BEST DATA PROXY IS EVICTION FILINGS. NEXT SLIDE. IF WE LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF EVICTIONS FILED BY YEAR WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS, WE SEE THAT EVICTIONS WITHIN THE CITY HAVE MORE THAN DOUBLED SINCE THE END OF COVID ERA RENT RELIEF AND RENTER PROTECTIONS. IN THE TIME SERIES THAT YOU SEE ON THE SLIDE, THE BOTTOM, DARKER LINE SHOWS EVICTION FILINGS BY YEAR WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND THE TOP, LIGHTER COLORED LINE IS EVICTION FILINGS FOR DALLAS COUNTY OVERALL. WE DON'T HAVE EVICTION FILING DATA FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS REPORTED IN 2017, 18 OR 19, BECAUSE WE'RE MISSING COLLIN AND DENTON COUNTY DATA FOR THOSE YEARS. NEXT SLIDE. LAST YEAR, IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, LANDLORDS FILED ABOUT 28,000 EVICTIONS AND MOST WERE DUE TO NONPAYMENT OF RENT. THE MEDIAN DOLLAR AMOUNT ASSOCIATED WITH EVICTION FILINGS WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS WAS $2,145. THE MAP THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN SHOWS THE NUMBER OF EVICTION FILINGS BY CENSUS TRACT WITHIN THE CITY. THE DARKER THE TEAL, THE GREATER THE NUMBER OF EVICTION FILINGS. NEXT SLIDE. THE PREVIOUS MAP SHOWED EVICTION FILING COUNT BY CENSUS TRACT. THIS MAP IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. HOWEVER, THIS SHOWS EVICTION FILING RATE BY CENSUS TRACT OR THE SHARE OF RENTERS WITH A FILING AGAINST THEM. NEXT SLIDE. IN TERMS OF FILINGS BY CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT IN 2025, THE LARGEST NUMBER OF EVICTIONS WERE FILED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT 12 AT ABOUT 3700. BUT COUNCIL DISTRICT EIGHT HAD THE GREATEST EVICTION FILING RATE AT 19%. NEXT SLIDE. I'LL NOW TRANSITION TO SHARE A FEW KEY INSIGHTS ON RENTAL HOUSING AFFORDABILITY FROM OUR MOST MOST RECENT RENTAL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT. THIS IS OUR THIRD YEAR TO PUBLISH THE ASSESSMENT, AND OUR HOPE IS THAT THE DATA AND THE ASSESSMENT CAN HELP ESTABLISH A SHARED UNDERSTANDING OF SPECIFIC CHALLENGES IN THE RENTAL MARKET. NEXT SLIDE. I BELIEVE YOU HAVE COPIES OF THE REPORT IN FRONT OF YOU. IT'S ALSO ACCESSIBLE ONLINE. BUT THERE ARE FOUR BIG TAKEAWAYS IN THE REPORT. THE FIRST IS IT'S HARD TO BE A RENTER IN DALLAS. NEXT SLIDE. RENTERS IN DALLAS ARE USING MORE AND MORE OF THEIR HOUSEHOLD BUDGET TO COVER RENT AND UTILITIES IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, 90% OF ALL RENTERS EARNING AT OR BELOW 50% AREA MEDIAN INCOME ARE HOUSING COST BURDEN, MEANING THEY'RE SPENDING MORE THAN 30% OF THEIR GROSS INCOME ON HOUSING. FOR CONTEXT, A HOUSEHOLD OF FOUR AT 50% AREA MEDIAN INCOME WOULD BE AT ABOUT 52,000 IN ANNUAL INCOME. NEXT SLIDE ACROSS ALL RENTER HOUSEHOLDS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, 50% ARE COST BURDENED, MEANING THEY'RE SPENDING MORE THAN 30% OF THEIR GROSS [01:40:05] INCOME ON RENT, REGARDLESS OF THEIR INCOME. WE SEE THAT SOME GROUPS OF RENTERS ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY COST BURDENED. 75% OF SINGLE PARENTS WITH CHILDREN, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE COST BURDEN 60 EXCUSE ME, 65% OF SENIORS ARE COST BURDEN. NEXT SLIDE. IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, THE RATE OF HOUSING COST BURDEN IS NOT EVENLY DISTRIBUTED ACROSS THE CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS THREE AND EIGHT HAVE THE HIGHEST OVERALL RATE OF RENTER COST BURDEN AT 58%. EACH COUNCIL DISTRICT 14 HAS THE LOWEST OVERALL RATE OF RENTER COST BURDEN AT 37%. NEXT SLIDE. THE AVERAGE RENTER HOUSEHOLD IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, REGARDLESS OF THEIR INCOME, SPENDS 39% OF THEIR GROSS INCOME ON RENT AND UTILITIES. AS MENTIONED, THE SORT OF FEDERAL STANDARD FOR HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AS A LINE ITEM IN A BUDGET IS 30%. WE SEE THAT THE VERY LOWEST INCOME RENTERS IN OUR CITY, HOUSEHOLDS BETWEEN 0 AND 30% AREA MEDIAN INCOME, ARE SPENDING 78% OF THEIR HOUSEHOLD INCOME ON RENT. NEXT SLIDE. BEFORE WE TOUCH ON THE SUPPLY GAP, I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MINUTE TO ILLUSTRATE THE CHALLENGE OF AFFORDING HOUSING FOR RESIDENTS, PARTICULARLY IN LOW WAGE JOBS. THIS SLIDE ILLUSTRATES THE MOST COMMON JOB TYPES IN THE DFW METRO AND THEIR MEDIAN ANNUAL WAGE. WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED A TARGET HOUSING BUDGET BASED ON THAT WAGE. AGAIN, ASSUMING THAT THEY'RE NOT SPENDING MORE THAN 30% OF THEIR GROSS INCOME ON RENT. NEXT SLIDE. JUST TO SORT OF DOUBLE DOWN ON THIS POINT, LET'S JUST CONSIDER BRIEFLY, QUICKLY THE DIFFERENCE IN RESIDUAL INCOME FOR A RENTER WHO'S IN AN AFFORDABLE UNIT COMPARED TO WHEN THEY ARE NOT IN AN AFFORDABLE UNIT. THIS SLIDE SHOWS A SAMPLE BUDGET FOR A WOMAN. WE'LL CALL OLIVIA. SHE LIVES IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. SHE'S A SINGLE ADULT WORKING FULL TIME IN FOOD SERVICE. SHE MAKES 36,000 A YEAR. TYPICAL RENDERED, HER INCOME LEVEL WILL SPEND 62% ON RENT AND UTILITIES, SO $1,865 PER MONTH, LEAVING HER WITH JUST ABOUT $600 OVER EACH MONTH FOR ALL OF HER OTHER EXPENSES HER CAR PAYMENT, GAS, FOOD, HEALTH CARE. IF OLIVIA WERE IN AN AFFORDABLE UNIT, MEANING IF SHE WERE NOT SPENDING MORE THAN 30% OF HER GROSS INCOME ON RENT, SHE WOULD SPEND JUST ABOUT $900 A MONTH ON HOUSING, AND SHE WOULD HAVE TWO AND A HALF TIMES THE RESIDUAL INCOME LEFT OVER. NEXT SLIDE. THE SECOND MAJOR TAKEAWAY IN THE REPORT IS THAT THERE'S A SHORTAGE OF AFFORDABLE RENTAL UNITS FOR VERY LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS. THIS FINDING TRACKS WITH OUR PREVIOUS TWO REPORTS, AND I WOULD SAY THAT THIS HAS BEEN THE SITE OF GREATEST INTEREST TO HOUSING STAKEHOLDERS. NEXT SLIDE. IN THIS YEAR'S ANALYSIS, WE REPORT A SHORTAGE OF ABOUT 46,000 AFFORDABLE RENTAL UNITS FOR HOUSEHOLDS AT OR BELOW 50% AREA MEDIAN INCOME. FOR THE FIRST TIME, WE ALSO SEE A SMALL GAP UP TO 60% AMI, WHICH IS IN LINE WITH THE FORECAST WE RELEASED IN LAST YEAR'S REPORT. THE FORECAST ESTIMATES SUPPLY GAPS UP TO AMI BY 2035. NEXT SLIDE. JUST TO SAY THIS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAY, THERE ARE ONLY 28 AFFORDABLE RENTAL UNITS FOR EVERY 100 HOUSEHOLDS AT OR BELOW 30% AMI, AND ONLY 60 AFFORDABLE UNITS FOR EVERY 100 HOUSEHOLDS AT OR BELOW 50% AMI. NEXT SLIDE. THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE DIFFERENCE IN SUPPLY AND DEMAND AT OR BELOW 50% AMI FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS WORTH OF DATA. AND SINCE WE FIRST REPORTED, WE SEE THAT THE SUPPLY GAP HAS WIDENED PRIMARILY DUE TO A LOSS OF SUPPLY. NEXT SLIDE. THE THIRD INSIGHT IS MORE ABOUT THE DEMOGRAPHICS AND ECONOMICS OF DALLAS HOUSEHOLDS. JUST FOR CONTEXT, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE RENTAL HOUSING MARKET NEXT SLIDE. THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE CHANGE IN POPULATION BY AGE GROUP FOR THE CITY, COUNTY AND METRO FROM 2013 TO 2023. ONE OBSERVATION THAT STOOD OUT TO US HERE IS THAT THE DFW METRO REALIZED ABOUT 10% GROWTH IN THE UNDER 18 POPULATION FROM 2013 TO 23, BUT THAT THAT POPULATION GROWTH WAS LARGELY FLAT IN THE CITY OF DALLAS AND DALLAS COUNTY. NEXT SLIDE. RECENT HOUSEHOLD GROWTH IN THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS BEEN LARGELY DRIVEN BY GROWTH IN ONE AND TWO PERSON HOUSEHOLDS. NEXT SLIDE. AND WE'VE ALSO SEEN NOTABLE GROWTH IN HIGHER INCOME HOUSEHOLDS. NEXT SLIDE. FROM 2013 TO 2023, THERE ARE 87,000 MORE HOUSEHOLDS EARNING GREATER THAN $100,000 IN THE CITY. AND AT THE SAME TIME, 61,000 FEWER HOUSEHOLDS EARNING LESS THAN 35,000. [01:45:03] I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT HIGH INCOME HOUSEHOLDS ARE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO RENT TODAY THAN THEY WERE TEN YEARS AGO. NEXT SLIDE. FINALLY, OUR OUR FOURTH INSIGHT IS THAT THERE ARE SIGNS OF PROGRESS, BUT PROGRESS IS UNEVEN. NEXT SLIDE. THE GOOD NEWS FOR RENTERS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS IS THAT RENT GROWTH HAS COOLED SIGNIFICANTLY, ALTHOUGH RENTS ARE STILL ABOVE THEIR PRE-PANDEMIC LEVELS. NEXT SLIDE. SOMETHING NEW THAT WE DID IN THIS YEAR'S REPORT. WE DID A ONE YEAR DEEP DIVE INTO MULTIFAMILY DELIVERIES WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS. THIS WAS A HARDER TASK THAN YOU MIGHT IMAGINE. IT INVOLVED ABOUT HALF A DOZEN DIFFERENT DATA SOURCES AND A HAND COUNT OF DEED RESTRICTED UNITS. SO I SAY THAT THAT IT IS POSSIBLE WE MISSED SOME, BUT WE WE TRIED TO CAPTURE THE UNIVERSE OF MULTIFAMILY DELIVERIES IN 2024. THAT SAID, WE FOUND ABOUT 8400 NEW OR REHAB MULTIFAMILY UNITS ACROSS 5555 BUILDINGS WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS. NEXT SLIDE. ABOUT 16% OF THOSE DELIVERIES WERE DEED RESTRICTED UNITS OR RESTRICTED TO A PARTICULAR INCOME. NEXT SLIDE. DISTRICT ONE AND DISTRICT EIGHT TOGETHER DELIVERED ABOUT 75% OF NEW DEED RESTRICTED UNITS THAT CAME ONLINE IN 2024. I WILL NOTE THAT THIS SLIDE EXCLUDES TRAVELING HFCS, WHICH I KNOW HAS BEEN A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION. NEXT SLIDE. MARKET RATE DELIVERIES WERE DELIVERED IN EVERY COUNCIL DISTRICT. I SHOULD SAY. THESE ARE NEW MULTI-FAMILY DELIVERIES WITHOUT A SUBSIDY. THEY ARE NOT INCOME RESTRICTED. DELIVERED IN EVERY COUNCIL DISTRICT EXCEPT DISTRICT FIVE AND TEN. DISTRICTS TWO AND SIX TOGETHER ACCOUNTED FOR ABOUT 50% OF MARKET RATE DELIVERIES IN 2024. NEXT SLIDE. FINALLY, JUST A NOTE ON WHERE DEED RESTRICTED UNITS ARE LOCATED ACROSS THE CITY. THIS IS NOT JUST DATA FROM 24. THIS IS THE UNIVERSE OF DEED RESTRICTED UNITS. WHEN WE LOOK AT PEER CITIES NATIONALLY, DALLAS IS IN THE TOP THIRD IN TERMS OF TOTAL INVENTORY OF DEED RESTRICTED UNITS PER CAPITA, BUT IN THE BOTTOM THIRD OF DEED RESTRICTED UNITS IN CENSUS TRACTS WITH MEDIAN INCOME GREATER THAN THE CITY OVERALL. NEXT SLIDE. I WILL END WITH JUST A COUPLE OF CONSIDERATIONS. THINGS FOR COUNCIL TO TO THINK ON. THE FIRST IS HOW MIGHT WE BETTER SUPPORT RENTERS WHO ARE AT RISK OF EVICTION. I DIDN'T MENTION THIS EARLIER, BUT IN WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DATA FROM 2019 TO 24 IN DALLAS COUNTY, 83% OF DEFENDANTS IN EVICTION CASES APPEAR JUST ONE TIME, WHICH SUGGESTS TO US THAT EVICTION IS OFTEN A ONE TIME EVENT FOR RENTERS. THEY FALLEN ON HARD TIMES, MAYBE EXPERIENCED JOB LOSS OR AN UNEXPECTED EXPENSE. THE SECOND CONSIDERATION IS HOW MIGHT WE BUILD AND PRESERVE MORE RENTAL UNITS THAT ARE AFFORDABLE TO OUR LOWEST INCOME HOUSEHOLDS? AND FINALLY, KIND OF A PHILOSOPHICAL, ASPIRATIONAL QUESTION TO CONSIDER IS BROADLY, HOW MIGHT WE DESIGN AND IMPLEMENT HOUSING SOLUTIONS FOR THE DALLAS THAT WE ASPIRE TO? SO THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. THANK YOU. ASHLEY. SLIDE 75, PLEASE. I'M GOING TO NOW ASK SARA KHAN, WHO'S THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF HOUSING FORWARD, THE HUD APPOINTED LEAD OF THE LOCAL CONTINUUM OF CARE, TO SHARE SOME INFORMATION WITH US ON HOW HOUSING FORWARD IS WORKING TO SERVE THE UNHOUSED POPULATION WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS. THANK YOU. SARAH, THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME TO PRESENT TODAY. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. HOUSING FORWARD IS THE FEDERAL FEDERALLY APPOINTED LEAD AGENCY FOR THE CONTINUUM OF CARE. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND THE CONTINUUM OF CARE COVERS DALLAS AND COLLIN COUNTIES, AND THAT IS CALLED THE ALL NEIGHBORS COALITION IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO I WANTED TO JUST PROVIDE SOME FOUNDATIONAL INFORMATION TODAY WITH SOME MORE DATA AND SYSTEM ANALYSIS IN THE APPENDIX, BUT SOME FOUNDATIONAL INFORMATION THAT REALLY SHOULD HELP PROVIDE THE INFORMATION THAT INFORMS STRATEGIC DECISION MAKING RELATED TO HOMELESSNESS IN THE COMMUNITY. SO THE CONTINUUM OF CARE IS A FEDERALLY MANDATED PLANNING STRUCTURE THAT BRINGS TOGETHER ALL PARTS OF THE HOMELESS RESPONSE SYSTEM. SO OUTREACH SHELTER, COMPREHENSIVE SERVICES AND HOUSING INTO ONE COORDINATED, SORT OF RESULTS ORIENTED STRATEGY THAT'S FOCUSED ON SUPPORTING PEOPLE TO REGAIN SELF-SUFFICIENCY AND TO MOVE OUT OF HOMELESSNESS. AND SO HOUSING FORWARD DOES NOT PROVIDE DIRECT SERVICE, BUT WE SERVE AS THE BACKBONE AGENCY, WHICH MEANS WE'RE BRINGING PARTNERS TOGETHER AROUND THAT COMMON STRATEGY. WE ARE ALIGNING AND BRAIDING SEVERAL DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES AND ADMINISTERING FUNDING TO SERVICE PROVIDERS. AND WE'RE ALSO ESTABLISHING SHARED ACCOUNTABILITY FOR RESULTS ON HOMELESSNESS ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE HEARD TODAY REALLY SIGNALS THAT A FEW REALLY IMPORTANT POINTS, [01:50:09] INCOMES HAVE NOT KEPT PACE WITH THE COST OF HOUSING. AND WE HAVE A LOT OF VERY, EXTREMELY LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE PAYING WAY TOO MUCH OF THEIR INCOME TOWARDS HOUSING COSTS AND IN THAT DYNAMIC. ANY CRISIS CAN PUSH HOUSEHOLDS TO THE BRINK OF HOMELESSNESS, AND THAT'S GETTING WORSE. SO IF THERE IS AN ADDICTION ISSUE, A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS, A MEDICAL CRISIS, A SUDDEN LOSS OF EMPLOYMENT, ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE PUSHING HOUSEHOLDS TO THE BRINK OF HOMELESSNESS. AND WHAT IS IMPORTANT THEN FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT MEANS THAT EVERY YEAR THOUSANDS OF NEW HOUSEHOLDS BECOME HOMELESS. THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT TAKEAWAYS OF MY PRESENTATION IS THIS IS NOT A STAGNANT POPULATION. EVERY YEAR, THOUSANDS OF NEW HOUSEHOLDS BECOME HOMELESS. AND CULLUM AND I WERE JUST TALKING BEFORE THE MEETING THAT THIS IS ALMOST LIKE A BATHTUB FILLING UP WITH WATER AND ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY ARE KEEPING THE TAP ON, AND THAT WATER IS JUST FLOWING INTO THE BATHTUB. AND SO AS A SYSTEM, WE'VE HAD TO FIGURE OUT A VERY DELIBERATE ROADMAP FOR HOW WE'RE GOING TO MANAGE THAT INCREASE IN DEMAND EVERY YEAR SO THAT WE CAN STABILIZE THE SYSTEM AND ACTUALLY DRIVE DOWN WHAT YOU SEE AND FEEL ON THE STREETS ON ANY GIVEN DAY IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S THE MISSION THAT WE'VE BEEN ON. SO BEFORE. SO SINCE 2021, WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THAT ROADMAP. BEFORE 2021, WE WEREN'T SET UP TO DO THAT BECAUSE PROVIDERS WERE DOING PHENOMENAL WORK, BUT WE SORT OF THE RESOURCES WERE FRAGMENTED AND WE LEFT THEM OUT ON THEIR OWN TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SOLVE HOMELESSNESS FOR ONE HOUSEHOLD AT A TIME. WELL GUESS WHAT? WHEN THE WATER IS FLOWING INTO THE BATHTUB, YOU CAN'T KEEP PACE IN THAT ENVIRONMENT. AND SO WHAT HAPPENED IS THOUSANDS OF HOUSEHOLDS WERE FALLING INTO HOMELESSNESS EACH YEAR AND NOT ENOUGH WERE EXITING, WHICH MEANT THAT WE HAD A TON OF PEOPLE BEING FORCED TO SLEEP OUTSIDE. AND BETWEEN 2015 AND 2021, UNSHELTERED HOMELESSNESS TRIPLED DURING THAT TIME PERIOD AS A RESULT OF NOT BEING ABLE TO MANAGE THAT FLOW. AND SO IN 2021, WE MADE SOME FUNDAMENTAL SHIFTS. WE ALL DECIDED WE NEED A UNIFIED APPROACH THAT'S MORE RESULTS DRIVEN. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE HAD TO EXPAND STRATEGIES THAT GET PEOPLE OUT OF HOMELESSNESS SUCCESSFULLY AND SOLVE THAT THROUGHPUT PROBLEM. SO WE'VE MADE A LOT OF STRATEGIC MOVES AS A COMMUNITY. THE CITY HAS BEEN A LEAD INVESTOR WITH DALLAS COUNTY AND OTHER CITIES ACROSS THE CONTINUUM TO INVEST IN VERY STRATEGIC MOVES THAT HAVE ALLOWED US TO STRENGTHEN DIVERSION AT THE FRONT DOOR SO WE CAN PREVENT PEOPLE FROM HAVING TO COME IN TO SHELTER FOR LONG STAYS WHEREVER POSSIBLE, BUT ALSO TO DEPLOY OUTREACH AND VERY INTEGRATED BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SPECIALISTS INTO OUR RESPONSE SO THAT WE'RE GETTING PEOPLE INTO TREATMENT FROM THAT FIRST POINT OF ENGAGEMENT AND EXPANDING ACCESS INTO HOUSING THROUGH LANDLORD PARTNERSHIPS ALL OVER, ALL OVER THE THE COUNTY. AND SO THE RESULT HAS BEEN THAT AS WE HAVE RECORD NUMBERS OF PEOPLE FALLING INTO HOMELESSNESS. WE ALSO NOW HAVE RECORD NUMBERS OF PEOPLE LEAVING HOMELESSNESS. AND SO THE SYSTEM HAS HELPED ALMOST 23,000 HOUSEHOLDS SINCE 2021 LEAVE HOMELESSNESS, WHICH HAS HELPED US THEN DRIVE DOWN HOMELESSNESS ON IN ON THE ON ANY GIVEN NIGHT. SO WE'VE SEEN A 28% REDUCTION IN STREET HOMELESSNESS. AGAIN, THAT'S HAPPENING AT A TIME WHERE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE FALLING IN OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR IS AT A RECORD HIGH. THERE WERE 88% MORE HOUSEHOLDS THAT FELL INTO HOMELESSNESS IN 2020 THAN DID IN 2021. SO JUST TO SAY THAT AGAIN, 88% MORE HOUSEHOLDS FELL INTO HOMELESSNESS IN 2020 THAN DID IN 2025. THEN 2021. SO AS A COMMUNITY, WE'VE HAD TO MEET THAT DEMAND WITH UNPRECEDENTED INVESTMENTS AND VERY STRATEGIC INTERVENTIONS THAT CAN MANAGE THAT INFLOW AND ACTUALLY STABILIZE THE SYSTEM AND REVERSE THE TREND THAT WE'RE SEEING AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON ANY GIVEN DAY IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE POINT IN TIME COUNT. SO NEXT SLIDE. SO AFTER SORT OF BUILDING A SYSTEM THAT CAN DEAL WITH THAT THROUGHPUT PROBLEM WE, WE'VE TURNED OUR ATTENTION TO STREET HOMELESSNESS. YOU AND YOUR CONSTITUENTS EVERY DAY ARE SEEING WITH YOUR OWN EYES THAT WE HAVE LEFT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL ON THE STREETS OF DALLAS LIVING IN COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE AND UNSAFE CONDITIONS ON OUR STREETS. AND SO WITH THAT STRONGER SYSTEM IN PLACE, WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS TO BRING NEW TOOLS TO THAT PROBLEM, TO SAY, WE DON'T WANT TO JUST CLEAR PEOPLE FROM BLOCK TO BLOCK ALL OVER THE CITY AND MOVE THE PROBLEM AROUND FROM COMMUNITY TO COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO SOLVE ENCAMPMENTS. WE'VE GOT. SO WE'RE NOW BRINGING MENTAL HEALTH PROVIDERS, OUTREACH PROVIDERS, [01:55:03] STREET MEDICINE TEAMS, ADDICTION SPECIALISTS DIRECTLY TO CITY STREETS WHERE THEY'RE NEEDED MOST SO THAT WE CAN CONNECT PEOPLE TO REAL PATHWAYS OFF THE STREET, INTO TREATMENT, INTO HOUSING, INTO SHELTER AND INSTITUTIONAL CARE, WHERE THAT IS THE ONLY OPTION FOR SOME OF THE FOLKS WHO ARE STUCK OUTSIDE. AND SO WE LAUNCHED THE STREET TO HOME INITIATIVE. IN THE FIRST PHASE OF THAT, IN JULY OF 2024, WE BROUGHT THAT RESPONSE TO DOWNTOWN DALLAS BECAUSE OF CONCERNS THAT THAT EVERYONE IS FAMILIAR WITH RELATED TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND STREET HOMELESSNESS. AT THAT TIME, WE HAD 250 TENTS LINING THE PUBLIC LIBRARY BEHIND US AND SURROUNDING CITY HALL. BY DEPLOYING THOSE NEW, NEW, NEW TOOLS, WE HAVE SEEN NOW PERMANENT CLOSURE OF ALL DOWNTOWN ENCAMPMENTS DIES. DOWNTOWN STREET TEAM DOES DAILY COUNTS. THEY HAVE SEEN AN 80% 87% REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT THEY COUNT ON A DAILY BASIS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA WE HAVE HOUSED OR AND MOVED INTO TREATMENT AND CARE OVER 1200 INDIVIDUALS OFF THE STREETS OF DALLAS THROUGH THAT EFFORT. AND SO IN PHASE TWO, WE'LL BE EXPANDING THAT THOSE TOOLS TO NEW PRIORITY ENCAMPMENTS ALL ACROSS, ALL ACROSS THE CITY OF DALLAS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE STRENGTHENED THE SYSTEM, BUT I THINK IMPORTANTLY, THE DATA SHOWS WHAT IS NEEDED TO CONTINUE MAKING PROGRESS. AND OUR CORE PROBLEM CONTINUES TO BE A BOTTLENECK. SO LAST YEAR, THERE WERE 10,800 HOUSEHOLDS THAT NEEDED AN INTERVENTION TO MORE SUCCESSFULLY EXIT THE SYSTEM. BUT BECAUSE WE'VE EXPANDED THOSE INTERVENTIONS MORE THAN EVER BEFORE IN OUR HISTORY AS A COMMUNITY, AND STILL ONLY 1 IN 3 HOUSEHOLDS IS GETTING THAT KIND OF TARGETED INTERVENTION INTERVENTION TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE CAN EXIT QUICKLY. WHAT THAT MEANS IS EVERYBODY ELSE IS WAITING IN SHELTER FOR A VERY LONG TIME, FOR TOO LONG, AND KEEPING OUR SHELTER BEDS FULL. AND SO IN THAT ENVIRONMENT. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL BEING FORCED OUTSIDE TO SLEEP ON THE STREETS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FIXING WITH OUR NEXT PHASE OF TRANSFORMATION. AND SO THE NEXT STEP IN OUR ROADMAP, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IS WE HAVE GOT TO TRANSFORM SHELTERS FROM WAITING ROOMS TO LAUNCH PADS. WE CANNOT HAVE PEOPLE WAITING AROUND FOR AN INTERVENTION. WE'VE GOT TO SHIFT THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERY SHELTER BED IS A LAUNCH PAD TOWARDS SELF-SUFFICIENCY. AND SO WE'RE SETTING OUT A FRAMEWORK THAT IS ALLOWING US TO ENSURE EVERY PERSON HAS A CLEAR PATHWAY INTO SHELTER AND OUT OF HOMELESSNESS TOWARDS SELF-SUFFICIENCY. IT STARTS WITH ONE COORDINATED DROP OFF LOCATION. SO OUTREACH AND LAW ENFORCEMENT DON'T HAVE TO FIGHT A FRAGMENTED SYSTEM. ONE DROP OFF LOCATION WHERE WHERE OUR NEIGHBORS ARE IMMEDIATELY ASSESSED, DIVERTED, AND REUNIFIED WITH FAMILY WHERE POSSIBLE. BUT WHEN THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE. IMMEDIATE PLACEMENT TO THE RIGHT SHELTER OR TREATMENT OPTION FOR THAT FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL. THEN WHEN PEOPLE GET INTO THOSE TEMPORARY BEDS, EVERY BED HAS GOT TO BE CONNECTED TO STABILIZATION SERVICES. SO PEOPLE ARE GETTING THE SERVICES THAT THEY NEED AND TRANSITION SERVICES TO EXIT AND MOVE ON TO SELF-SUFFICIENCY. AND THAT'S THAT FLOW IS WHAT WILL ALLOW US TO CONTINUE TO SOLVE THE THROUGHPUT PROBLEM YEAR AFTER YEAR AS PEOPLE MOVE INTO SAFETY AND SECURITY. SO LASTLY, THE THE CONSIDERATIONS ARE REALLY BUILDING ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS IS ALREADY INVESTING IN. WE'VE BUILT A VERY, A FIRST IN CLASS ENCAMPMENT RESPONSE HOTSPOT MODEL. AND MY FIRST PRIORITY IS THAT OUR THAT OUR ENFORCEMENT CAPACITY CAN BE USED TO HELP US MAINTAIN THE CLOSURE OF THOSE SITES AFTER WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO END HOMELESSNESS FOR EVERYONE ON SITE. I THINK WHAT THE PUBLIC IS ASKING FOR US IS TO SEE CHANGE, AND THE WAY THAT WE SUPPORT OUR CONSTITUENTS AND SEEING CHANGE IS MAKING SURE THAT PUBLIC SPACES, THAT STREET HOMELESSNESS DOES NOT TAKE HOLD IN OUR PUBLIC SPACES AFTER WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO END HOMELESSNESS FOR EVERYONE IN THAT LOCATION. THE NEXT IS CONTINUING TO FUND COORDINATED OUTREACH. THAT HAS BEEN A PROVEN AND VERY SUCCESSFUL MODEL THAT IS COVERING ALL OF THE CITY OF DALLAS GEOGRAPHY. INVESTING IN OUR EXISTING FACILITIES AS WE CREATE THAT CENTRALIZED INTAKE AND TRANSITIONAL SHELTER MODEL VERSUS NEW BUILDINGS. WE HAVE GREAT, GREAT INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE GROUND TODAY THAT WE CAN INVEST IN TO FULFILL OUR VISION. AND THEN AGAIN, WE'VE GOT TO THINK ABOUT THIS AS AN ANNUAL PROBLEM, NOT A ONE AND DONE PROBLEM. SO EVERY YEAR WE'RE GOING TO NEED DEDICATED SUSTAINABLE REVENUE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE TRANSITIONAL SUPPORT THAT I MENTIONED. SO THANK YOU FOR FOR JUST EVERYONE'S ATTENTION TO ALL OF THESE INCREDIBLE, INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT ISSUES AND HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS AFTER THIS AS WELL. [02:00:09] THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SARAH. SLIDE 87, PLEASE. NADINE IS THE CHIEF STRATEGY AND INSIGHTS OFFICER WITH THE COMMUNITIES FOUNDATION OF TEXAS. NADINE IS GOING TO SHARE ABOUT A NEW HOUSING INITIATIVE AT CFT CALLED HOWZ HT AND HOW LOCAL PHILANTHROPY IS ORGANIZED TO SUPPORT ATTAINABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THANK YOU. AND NADINE. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY. AS YOU HEARD, MY NAME IS NADINE D'SOUZA. I'M THE CHIEF STRATEGY OFFICER AT COMMUNITIES FOUNDATION OF TEXAS. AND IN THAT ROLE, I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF WORKING WITH OUR PRESIDENT, WAYNE WHITE, AND OUR BOARD OF TRUSTEES, CHAIRED BY MISS CONNIE O'NEILL, TO LAUNCH ITS NEW STRATEGIC INITIATIVE FOCUSED ON HOUSING AND SUSTAINABLE NEIGHBORHOODS. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, CFT IS BASED IN IN DALLAS AND IS THE LARGEST COMMUNITY FOUNDATION IN TEXAS WITH CHARITABLE ASSETS APPROACHING $2 BILLION, OUR MISSION IS THRIVING COMMUNITIES FOR ALL, WHICH WE HAVE TRADITIONALLY PURSUED THROUGH GRANT MAKING IN THE AREAS OF EDUCATION, HEALTH, PUBLIC SAFETY AND ECONOMIC SECURITY. LAST YEAR, WE ADDED HOUSING OUT OF A RECOGNITION THAT WHERE PEOPLE LIVE SHAPES WHO THEY BECOME. IT IS THE FOUNDATIONAL PREDICTOR OF EDUCATIONAL, HEALTH AND ECONOMIC MOBILITY OUTCOMES. AND IF WE ARE GOING TO BE A COMMUNITY FOUNDATION THAT RESPONDS TO THE MOST URGENT NEEDS OF OUR TIME, WE HAVE TO BE IN THE FIGHT WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS TO BUILD MORE HOUSING THAT PEOPLE CAN AFFORD AND TO PROTECT THE AFFORDABILITY. THAT HAS MADE DALLAS A BEACON FOR PEOPLE FROM ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND THE WORLD, INCLUDING MY OWN FAMILY WHO MOVED HERE FROM NEW YORK CITY IN 2018. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. CFTS HOUSING STRATEGY HAS THREE PILLARS PRODUCTION, PRESERVATION AND PARTNERSHIP FOR POLICY REFORM. WE'VE MADE A BOLD COMMITMENT OF $100 MILLION TO THIS WORK THAT WE THAT WILL BE DEPLOYED PRIMARILY AS A REVOLVING LOAN FUND OF LOW INTEREST LOANS TO SUPPORT MISSION ALIGNED DEVELOPMENT. CFT WILL SEED THAT FUND WITH $50 MILLION OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, AND IS COMMITTED TO RAISING THE OTHER 50 MILLION. NOW, I'M SURE THAT THESE THREE PILLARS LOOK FAMILIAR TO THIS BODY, BECAUSE WHEN WE CREATED OUR STRATEGY, WE STUDIED BEST PRACTICES FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY AND THE CITY OF DALLAS 2033 HOUSING PLAN, WHICH ALSO INCORPORATED THESE PRIORITIES IN A WAY THAT WAS SENSITIVE TO PLACE AS A FOUNDATION. WE KNEW WE WERE NEVER GOING TO BE DEVELOPERS, BUT WE DO CARE DEEPLY ABOUT COMPATIBLE DESIGN, BUILDING SOCIAL CAPITAL, AND EMPOWERING COMMUNITIES. AND WHAT WAS CLEAR IS THAT WE COULD ALIGN OUR PRIVATE PHILANTHROPIC RESOURCES AND ABILITY TO CONVENE ACROSS SECTORS WITH THE CITY'S PUBLIC RESOURCES AND SMART POLICY REFORMS TO ACHIEVE MAXIMUM COLLECTIVE IMPACT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO THIS IS WHAT HOUSE DBT IS ABOUT. HOW'S DBT IS THE UMBRELLA OR PLATFORM FOR COLLECTIVE IMPACT THAT CONNECTS CFTS STRATEGIC PRIORITIES IN HOUSING TO THOSE OF THE DALLAS HOUSING SECTOR. SO AS IT'S STATED HERE, HOUSE DBT IS A NEW PLATFORM THAT LEVERAGES THE POWER OF NETWORKS TO ADVANCE EFFECTIVE HOUSING POLICY AND PRACTICE IN DALLAS WITH THE GOAL OF INCREASING HOUSING AFFORDABILITY. NEXT SLIDE. THE ADVISORY BOARD CONSISTS OF A COUPLE OF FOLKS WHO ARE SITTING HERE ON THIS PANEL, THESE AMAZING LEADERS WHO CONTINUE TO LEAD THEIR OWN ORGANIZATIONS, BUT ALSO HAVE COMMITTED TO GREATER COORDINATION AND ALIGNMENT AND TO FILL IN GAPS IN OUR ECOSYSTEM WHERE NEEDED. NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS SLIDE PROVIDES OR THIS GRAPHIC PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE NETWORK. AT THE OUTSET, WE ESTABLISHED THE THREE WORKING GROUPS IN BLUE. THE FUNDERS COLLECTIVE CURRENTLY CONSISTS OF ABOUT 40 INDIVIDUALS FROM BANKS, FOUNDATIONS AND CITY AND COUNTY GOVERNMENT WHO INVEST IN HOUSING AND HAVE STARTED TO MEET AT C OF T TO DETERMINE HOW WE CAN WORK BETTER TOGETHER. AT C OF T, WE'VE ALREADY BEGUN TO DEPLOY THE LOW INTEREST LOAN FUNDS, AND WE BELIEVE THAT THIS DEAL FLOW CAN PROVIDE A PIPELINE FOR FUNDING PARTNERSHIPS AS WELL AS MARKET INSIGHTS. THE DALLAS HOUSING COALITION LEADS ADVOCACY AND ORGANIZING, AND DESPITE BEING AN ESTABLISHED AND EFFECTIVE ORGANIZATION, BRIAN, TONY AND HIS BOARD AGREED TO PARTNER WITH THIS NETWORK TO MAXIMIZE ECOSYSTEM ALIGNMENT. THE GREATER DALLAS PLANNING COUNCIL IS LEADING POLICY AND PLANNING. THEIR WORK, IN COLLABORATION WITH NATIONAL EXPERT SHANE PHILLIPS, WILL GENERATE A SET OF POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WILL BE SHAPED BY HOUSE HT INPUT TO BECOME THE PLATFORM FOR OUR COLLECTIVE EFFORTS OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS. [02:05:02] AT THIS YEAR'S HOUSING SUMMIT IN NOVEMBER, WE WILL RELEASE A HOUSING SNAPSHOT PRODUCED BY CEPAL, WHICH UNDERSCORES OUR COMMITMENT TO TAKING A DATA DRIVEN APPROACH TO IDENTIFYING HOUSING SOLUTIONS. OVER TIME, WE EXPECT THAT THE NUMBER OF WORKING GROUPS WILL GROW TO ADDRESS OTHER KEY ISSUES LIKE HOUSING PRESERVATION THROUGH STRATEGIES LIKE THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST, AS WELL AS FAITH BASED HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. NEXT SLIDE. THE RESPONSE TO THIS WORK HAS BEEN INCREDIBLE SINCE WE LAUNCHED LESS THAN SIX MONTHS AGO, BOTH IN TERMS OF MEDIA COVERAGE AND DIRECT OUTREACH FROM PEOPLE IN THE ECOSYSTEM WHO HAVE SOMETHING TO OFFER OR NEED TO FILL. WE'VE SEEN THE POWER OF COLLECTIVE ACTION LED BY HOUSING FORWARD IN THE AREA OF HOMELESSNESS, AND OUR GOAL IS TO BE AS IMPACTFUL IN CREATING AND PRESERVING HOUSING THAT ADDRESSES THE AFFORDABILITY GAP, BOTH ON THE RENTAL AND FOR SALE MARKET SIDES. NEXT SLIDE. SO I WAS ASKED TO PROVIDE A FEW CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE NEW HOUSING POLICY. AND I WANT TO FRAME MY COMMENTS BY GOING BACK TO PRODUCTION, PRESERVATION AND PARTNERSHIP. THE FRAMEWORK THAT WAS SO EVIDENT IN THE LAST POLICY DOCUMENT AND INSPIRED OUR OWN EFFORTS. FIRST, WE ASK THAT THE CITY STAY THE COURSE IN TERMS OF SETTING MEANINGFUL AND MEASURABLE PRODUCTION AND PRESERVATION GOALS THAT ARE SENSITIVE TO PLACE. AS YOU SEEK TO BALANCE THE HOUSING STOCK IN NEIGHBORHOODS, WE ASK THAT YOU CONTINUE TO EVOLVE THE ZONING FRAMEWORK TO INVITE MORE OF THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING TYPES THAT DALLAS SO NEEDS. NOW, THE PART OF THE LAST POLICY DOCUMENT THAT WAS THE LEAST DEFINED WAS PARTNERSHIP. SO HERE I ASK THAT THE CITY ARTICULATE, CLEAR AND AMBITIOUS PARTNERSHIP GOALS THAT LEVERAGE THE OPPORTUNITY YOU HAVE THROUGH HOUSE HT AND OTHER INITIATIVES TO BUILD POWERFUL PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS. THIS CAN BE DONE BY USING PUBLIC FUNDING TO JUMP START CRITICAL HOUSING INITIATIVES, AND TO BRING PRIVATE AND PHILANTHROPIC CAPITAL TO THE TABLE. YOU DID THIS SUCCESSFULLY WITH THE DALLAS HOUSING OPPORTUNITY FUND LAUNCHED BY TREC AND LISC, AND WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE A SIMILAR CATALYTIC INVESTMENT IN OTHER INITIATIVES LIKE THE DALLAS COMMUNITY LAND TRUST. WE ALSO ASK THAT THE CITY WORK TO REDUCE THE HIDDEN COST OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, BY WHICH I MEAN DELAYS, FEES AND RED TAPE THAT ADD TIME, COST AND FRUSTRATION TO BUILDING THE HOUSING WE NEED. DEVELOPERS BUILDING INCOME RESTRICTED UNITS CANNOT AFFORD THE EXTRAORDINARY COSTS OF FIXING OR UPGRADING INFRASTRUCTURE IN CONSISTENT BUILDING AND PERMITTING PROCESSES. LEGAL REVIEWS THAT CAN TAKE MONTHS OR YEARS. EXPAND YOUR INVESTMENTS IN INFRASTRUCTURE AT THE BLOCK OR NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT NEED IT. CONSIDER CREATING A FAST TRACK FOR AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE HOUSING PROJECTS THAT ACKNOWLEDGES THE IMPACT OF FRICTIONS ON THE COST TO THE DEVELOPER AND THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL CONTINUE TO BUILD IN DALLAS. SET GOALS FOR THE EFFICIENCY OF YOUR PROCESSES AND MEASURE YOUR IMPROVEMENTS. NEXT SLIDE. TO GET IN TOUCH WITH CFT AND CONNECT TO HOUSE TX, YOU NEED ONLY EMAIL THIS SIMPLE EMAIL ADDRESS. HOUSING AT CF TEXAS. A LOT OF WHAT I COVERED TODAY WAS FOCUSED ON THE POTENTIAL OF HOUSE TX, BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO RETURNING TO A FUTURE COUNCIL MEETING TO SHARE WHAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED TOGETHER. THANK YOU NADINE. THANK YOU. THANKS AGAIN TO ALL THE GUEST SPEAKERS TODAY. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THERE IS A COMMON COMMON ELEMENTS THAT WE HEARD. WE'VE UNDERBUILT HOUSING EVERYWHERE. WE NEED MORE PERMITS. WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE HOUSING SHORTAGE. WE NEED TO ADDRESS HOW WE APPROACH HOME BUYERS. WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF OUR RENTERS. WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US. WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE CAPACITY OF OUR SHELTERS AND OUR PROVIDERS TO NOT OVERFLOW THE BATHTUB. DALLAS HOME AIMS TO INCORPORATE THE LOCAL AND NATIONAL DATA SET. ACTIONS TO ADDRESS THE MANY HOUSING CHALLENGES WE FACE IN DALLAS. I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND PRESENT THE PROPOSED ORGANIZATIONAL FRAMEWORK. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. IN THE LAST 30 YEARS, WE'VE HAD A HANDFUL OF DIFFERENT HOUSING POLICIES. IN 1993, WE HAD THE NEIGHBORHOOD RENAISSANCE PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM, WHICH CALLED FOR PARTNERSHIPS BETWEEN NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS AND THE CITY OF DALLAS AND SET PRIORITY AREAS. THIS CONTINUED THROUGH THE EARLY 2000 WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD INVESTMENT PROGRAM, OR NEP, WHICH INVESTED IN PRODUCTION AND PRESERVATION OF HOUSING AND INFRASTRUCTURE. IN 2015, NEIGHBORHOOD PLUS WAS INTRODUCED TO GUIDE THE HUD CONSOLIDATED PLAN AND FUNDING GUIDELINES AND INCLUDED A MULTI-DEPARTMENTAL APPROACH TO ADDRESS BLIGHT HOME OWNERSHIP, ENHANCE RENTAL OPTIONS, ATTRACT AND RETAIN THE MIDDLE CLASS. THE MOST RECENTLY OFTEN CITED COMPREHENSIVE HOUSING POLICY OF 2018, DALLAS HOUSING POLICY OF 2033 AND THE HOMELESSNESS FOUR TRACK STRATEGY ALL CARRIED FORWARD SOME THEMES FROM PREVIOUS WORK, AS DOES THE PROPOSED DALLAS HOME, WHICH BUILDS OFF THE LEGACY OF HOUSING POLICY IN THE CITY OF DALLAS AND RESPONDS TO [02:10:08] CURRENT HOUSING NEEDS. THE PROPOSED FRAMEWORK LOOKS AT THE HISTORY AND POLICY DEVELOPMENT AND CURRENT DATA THAT SHOWS WHERE WE ARE AS A BIGGER CITY THAN WE WERE IN THE 90S, BUT STILL FACE MANY OF THE SAME CHALLENGES HOUSING SHORTAGES, HOUSING COST BURDEN, BARRIERS TO OWNERSHIP, ACCESS TO GETTING IN OR STAYING IN HOUSING AND FAIR HOUSING RIGHTS, AND THE NEED TO SUPPORT OUR UNHOUSED NEIGHBORS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. WE PROPOSE STARTING THIS POLICY DEVELOPMENT WITH GUIDING PRINCIPLES. IN MOST HOUSING CONVERSATIONS, WE KNOW THAT NOT ONE ISSUE IS ISOLATED AND IT'S INTERRELATED TO OTHER FACTORS. BUT BY GROUNDING OUR WORK, BY INVESTING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, HONORING OUR HISTORY, LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY, BEING DATA DRIVEN, AMPLIFYING AND SUPPORTING OUR PARTNERS, AND COLLECTIVE ENVISIONING A FUTURE FOR ALL DALLASITES WE CAN CREATE DALLAS HOME. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THE PROPOSED POLICY MERGES ELEMENTS FROM OUR PREVIOUS HOUSING POLICIES. THE FRAMEWORK HAS CITYWIDE PRESERVATION, CITYWIDE PRODUCTION, HAVING AREA SPECIFIC GOALS, AREA PRIORITIES HAVING HOUSING SERVICES AND PROGRAMS WHICH ARE CURRENTLY LISTED ON OUR DALLAS HOUSING RESOURCE CATALOG. EMBRACING AND EXPANDING OUR FAIR HOUSING SYSTEMS. CONTINUING THE THEMES TO INVEST IN INFRASTRUCTURE AND HIGHLIGHTING SOME OF THE THINGS OUR PARTNER SAID ABOUT INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL COLLABORATION AND COORDINATION. AND CONTINUING TO WRAP ALL OF THIS AROUND AROUND EDUCATION AND ENGAGEMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WORK AND OUTREACH IS SHARED WITH ALL OF THE CONSTITUENTS IN DALLAS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THE OFFICE OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT HAS TWO MAIN DIVISIONS HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS AND COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT. HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS IS WHERE THE WORK TO ADVANCE PRODUCTION AND PRESERVATION AND ACCESS TO HOUSING SITS. THIS INCLUDES FAIR HOUSING, HOMELESSNESS STRATEGIES AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SIDE OF THE DEPARTMENT WORKS ON THE COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT SERVICES, THE COMMUNITY CENTERS, SUBRECIPIENT AGREEMENTS OUR WICK OFFICES AND THE RECENTLY APPROVED DRIVERS OF OPPORTUNITY WORK. WE ENVISION DALLAS HOME SITTING IN BETWEEN BOTH. BOTH DIVISIONS AND ACROSS MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. WE HAVE CURRENT PROGRAMS LIKE HOME REPAIR, DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE, HOUSING PATHWAYS TO SUPPORT OUR HOMELESSNESS SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS, AND WE HAVE PROGRAMS LIKE WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THE DALLAS HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION, DALLAS PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION, LAND BANK, HOUSING TAX CREDITS, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE POLICY. THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO WORK ON THESE PROGRAMS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE PROPERLY ALIGNED TO ADDRESS THE MULTIPLE HOUSING NEEDS WE'VE HEARD TODAY, FROM OUR RENTER CHALLENGES TO OUR UNHOUSED NEIGHBORS, TO THE HOMEOWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES, AND TO OUR DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WHO HAS HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR ABOUT THE UNDERBUILT AND NEED TO DEVELOP MORE HOUSING. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. HOUSING ACTIVITY, AS YOU KNOW, IS NOT HANDLED BY JUST ONE DEPARTMENT. MANY DEPARTMENTS WORK ON HOUSING ACTIVITIES TOGETHER. WE'RE PRO HOUSING AND WE COLLABORATE, CONNECT AND COORDINATE WITH EACH OTHER. PARKING REFORM AND STREAMLINE. PERMITTING. ALIGNING THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. BONUS DEVELOPMENT WITH PLANNING FUNCTION FUNCTIONS. CREATING A ONE STOP SHOP AND UNIFIED APPLICATION FOR CITY INCENTIVES FOR REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENTS. THE INFRASTRUCTURE WORK THAT'S NEEDED TO ALLOW FOR NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS TO BE BUILT. THE EXPLORATION OF PARTNERSHIPS BETWEEN PARKS, LIBRARIES AND ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY. THERE'S LOTS OF COLLABORATIVE WORK THAT ALL NEEDS TO COME TOGETHER. NOT TO MENTION ALL OF THE INDIRECT DEPARTMENTS. THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, RISK REVIEWS, BUDGET, AND FINANCE ALL COME TOGETHER TO SUPPORT THIS WORK WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AS I TRANSITION NOW INTO A FEW REMARKS ABOUT THE HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION AND DALLAS PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THESE ARE PART OF OUR CURRENT RESOURCES AVAILABLE, THAT THESE PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN THE RESULT OF PRODUCING MANY OF THE AFFORDABLE, ATTAINABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT UNITS THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE LAST FEW YEARS AS THEY'VE COME ONLINE. THEY'VE HAD SOME SUCCESS. PART OF THE CONVERSATION STARTING A YEAR AND A HALF AGO WAS DUE TO THAT SUCCESS. WE NEEDED TO WORK ON SOME COMPLIANCE REGULATIONS TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE FROM CITY COUNCIL TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND WRITE DOWN ALL OF THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE DOING. AND SO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ARE A COMPLIANCE FUNCTION TO LIST ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF THE CORPORATION'S LEADING POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, DIRECTION ON USE OF FUNDS, DIRECTING ON APPLICATION CRITERIA, AND TRYING TO DIRECT THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT [02:15:08] THEY'RE BEST SUITED FOR TO ADDRESS THE HOUSING NEEDS THROUGHOUT THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS WITHIN THE CITY. IT'S NOT MEANT TO STYMIE DEVELOPMENT OR PUT A HALT TO DEVELOPMENT, BUT RATHER TO HEAR ALL OF THE DIFFERENT COLLECTIVE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AT CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS FOR EVERY INDIVIDUAL HLC AND PFC PROJECT THAT COME FORWARD FOR YOUR APPROVAL, TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS A LEVEL OF LOCAL REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION AGAINST HOUSING POLICY. OTHER POLICIES THAT EXIST IN THE CITY, AND THAT IT IS BEST INTENDED FOR YOUR DISTRICT AND THE CITY OF DALLAS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THE DALLAS HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION CORPORATION AND DALLAS PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ARE THE RESULT OF MANY CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE STEMMED FROM THE COUNCIL REQUEST TO STREAMLINE APPLICATIONS, OUTSOURCE PROGRAMS, AND CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THAT OVERSIGHT. THE CURRENT PROGRAM STATEMENTS ONLY STATE THE AUTHORITY GIVEN TO THEM. THE PROPOSED STATEMENT INCLUDES SECTIONS ON THE CORPORATION AND CITY ROLES, APPLICATION CRITERIA FOR REHAB, AND NEW CONSTRUCTION REPORTING CRITERIA TO UNDERSTAND THE WORK THEY'RE DOING TO REPORT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AND GUIDANCE ON THE USE OF REVENUE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. WHILE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS PRESENTED OUR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, WE HAVE MADE PROGRESS ON COMING TOGETHER TO REFINE THE GUIDANCE. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF AREAS WHERE STAFF AND BOARD DIFFERED IN OPINION. YOU HEARD IT IN PUBLIC COMMENTS TODAY. FIRST ON PROJECT LOCATION AND CONDITION. THE BOARD'S WORRY THAT ANY LANGUAGE AROUND PRIORITIZATION OF PROJECT BASED ON GEOGRAPHY WILL HALT THE USAGE OF THE PROGRAM. STAFF MAINTAIN THAT DALLAS HOUSING NEEDS ARE KNOWN AND THE HISTORY OF DEVELOPMENT IS KNOWN. AND WHILE WE BOTH NEED ALL OF THE ATTAINABLE UNITS WE CAN GET, WE ALSO HAVE TO SCREEN FOR FAIR HOUSING, FOR POTENTIAL CONCENTRATION OF POVERTY, AND WORK ON PROJECTS THAT BENEFIT NEIGHBORHOODS MORE THAN EVER BEFORE, AS HFC IS GENERALLY DOING REHABS OF AGING HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS AND SERVE A POPULATION PRIMARILY AT 60% OF THE AREA, MEDIAN AND BELOW. THE PROPOSED RECOMMENDATIONS ARE THAT THEY CONTINUE TO DO THAT AND OR PRIORITIZE WORK IN AREAS WITH LOWER POVERTY, ALSO CALLED HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREAS. IF LIGHTTECH WAIVERS ARE REQUESTED BECAUSE IT'S IN HIGH POVERTY OR CLOSE TO OTHER LIGHTTECH PROJECTS, WHEN A WAIVER IS REQUESTED, IT IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT TWO THIRDS COUNCIL VOTE SHOULD BE REQUIRED. A WAIVER IS ASKING FOR WHAT IS ALLOWED UNDER THE GUIDELINES, BUT IT'S A DIFFERENCE AND THERE MAY BE A DIFFERENT IMPACT. THAT'S WHY A WAIVER IS BEING ASKED FOR. PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATIONS ARE GENERALLY NEW CONSTRUCTION AND OFFER ROUGHLY HALF THE UNITS AT MARKET RATE AND HALF AFFORDABLE. THIS ALIGNS FOR BOTH HIGH POVERTY AREAS TO BRING MARKET RATE UNITS TO THE HIGH POVERTY AREAS AND STRONG RESIDENTIAL AREAS TO BRING AFFORDABLE UNITS TO THOSE AREAS. IF A PROJECT IS NOT NEW CONSTRUCTION AND THUS REMOVING A PROPERTY WITH AN IMPROVEMENT FROM THE TAX ROLL, IT IS SUGGESTED IT ALSO RECEIVES REQUIRES A TWO THIRD COUNCIL VOTE BECAUSE THERE MAY BE A MORE OF A FINANCIAL IMPACT TO THE CITY IN DOING SO, AND THAT THIS COULD BE A CONVERSION OF UNDERUTILIZED USE TO HOUSING OR RENOVATION, TO PROVIDE HOUSING OR TO ADDRESS SLUM BLIGHT, URBAN NUISANCE, ENVIRONMENTAL CONTAMINATION. ENVIRONMENTAL NUISANCE OR OTHER PUBLIC BENEFIT. THE SECOND ITEM WAS THAT OF BOARD AS A STAFF. AS A BOARD MEMBER IS EX OFFICIO. THE BOARD WORRIES THIS IS IN CONFLICT WITH THEIR AUTONOMY, AND STAFF CONTEND THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN ON PROJECTS FOR ALIGNING A GUIDANCE, BUT ALSO TO BE INVITED TO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO BE INFORMED OF ANY POTENTIAL LEGAL OR PROJECTS THAT MIGHT BE AT RISK. NOW, IN CONVERSATIONS, IT COULD VERY WELL BE A BOARD LIAISON AND NOT EX OFFICIO, SO THAT WE CAN STILL BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT PROJECTS. HOWEVER, BE INVITED TO KEY EXECUTIVE SESSIONS WHERE LEGAL ITEMS OR RISK IS INVOLVED. AND SO THAT'S AN ITEM FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. OUR NEXT STEPS ARE OUTLINED. THE FIRST REQUEST IS SET TIME WITH EACH OF YOU TO DEEP DIVE INTO YOUR DISTRICTS TO FULLY UNDERSTAND HOUSING CHALLENGES ACROSS THE CITY. WE ENVISIONING THAT HAPPENING OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE HOSTING COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS OR GUIDANCE AS YOU YOU PROVIDE TO US. THE ITEM FOR HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION, PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION AND THE HOUSING TAX CREDIT AMENDMENTS IS ON MAY 27TH. CITY COUNCIL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. WE ENVISION BRINGING A BRIEFING PRESENTATION BACK IN JUNE AROUND DALLAS HOME WITH A SUMMER LATE SUMMER ITEM FOR CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION FOR THAT RESOLUTION. NEXT SLIDE. TODAY, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. I WANT TO THANK AGAIN DOCTOR CLARK, ASHLEY, SARAH, NADINE AND NIA AND ALL STAFF IN THE OFFICE OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT AND [02:20:01] LEADERSHIP FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE IN PREPARING FOR THIS COMPREHENSIVE HOUSING PRESENTATION TODAY. NEXT SLIDE. OH, I'M SORRY. WE NOW CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS. WE LEAVE YOU WITH WHAT RESONATED WITH YOU. WHAT DO YOU FEEL IS MOST PRESSING HOUSING ISSUES IN YOUR DISTRICT? AND IS ANYTHING MISSING THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE IS HEARD? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR THE. THANKS TO ALL OF THE PANELISTS. YOU GUYS WERE VERY VERY GOOD. VERY. THIS IS VERY INFORMATIVE. EXCELLENT. AND SO I JUST WANT TO APPRECIATE YOU ALL THE WORK YOU PUT INTO THE PRESENTATIONS AND, AND PRESENTATION, THE INFORMATION WAS EXCELLENT. SO LET ME SAY THAT I THINK THIS CONVERSATION IS LONG OVERDUE IN OUR CITY. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE CITY MANAGER YOU HELP US BRING THIS DISCUSSION FORWARD. TODAY I SEE CHAIRMAN WEST IS IN THE QUEUE FIRST, SO I'M GOING TO LET YOU KICK IT OFF AND MAYBE SOME OF MY QUESTIONS WILL GET ANSWERED IN THE PROCESS, BUT I LIKE TO LET THE MEMBERS GO FIRST. SO GO AHEAD, CHAIRMAN WEST, YOU RECOGNIZE FOR FIVE MINUTES AND THE WAY THIS WORKS IS FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T BEEN HERE BEFORE EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER HAS THE ABILITY TO ASK QUESTIONS AND HAVE A DISCUSSION FOR FIVE MINUTE ROUND. THEN THEY GET A THREE MINUTE ROUND IF THEY LIKE, AND THEN A ONE MINUTE ROUND. AND THAT'S EACH MEMBER HAS THAT MUCH TIME. SO CHAIRMAN WEST, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. MAYOR. AND I WANT TO THANK YOU AND THE CITY MANAGER, KIM TOLBERT AND STAFF FOR MAKING THIS A PRIORITY TODAY. THIS IS REALLY GREAT TO SHINE THE SPOTLIGHT ON WHAT AT LEAST I BELIEVE, AND I THINK A LOT OF US IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE THE CITY OF DALLAS IS FACING RIGHT NOW, OUR AFFORDABILITY CRISIS. AND MAYOR, I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS YOU MADE TO THE SENATE ABOUT HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, ALSO ABOUT HOMELESSNESS AND REALLY THE CITY'S ROLE. WHAT WHAT THE BEST THINGS WE CAN DO TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION AND NOT THE PROBLEM. SO I'M GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT ALL OVER THE BOARD BECAUSE YOU GUYS DID SO GOOD. AND THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT TOPICS THAT WE COVERED IN THIS STATE OF HOUSING. AND SO I'M GOING TO BE LITERALLY JUMPING ALL OVER THE PLACE. I WILL SAY JUST TO OPEN THAT IN MY MIND, AT LEAST THE DATA IS CLEAR. WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS IN DALLAS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE SERIOUSLY. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SOUND THE ALARM WITH, WITH SOME OF YOU GUYS FOR YEARS NOW, AND I FEEL LIKE TODAY YOU'VE REALLY BROUGHT IT TO US. YOU KNOW, AND HOW THE NATIONAL TRENDS, AS DOCTOR CLARK POINTED OUT, TRANSCEND DOWN TO US AND AFFECT US HERE ON THE GROUND. WE HEAR IT IN OUR COMMUNITY SURVEY, NATIONAL POLLS. AND WHEN I TALK TO MY NEIGHBORS AT THE GROCERY STORE, AFFORDABILITY IS A HUGE ISSUE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WITH THE GROWING DIVIDE IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO CAN AFFORD TO BUY A HOUSE NOW, AND THE AGE IN WHICH YOU CAN BUY A HOUSE, LIKE IT'S, IT'S GETTING WORSE. FOR, FOR AFFORDABILITY. I REMEMBER MY FIRST HOUSE I WAS GOSH, I THINK I WAS 24 AND IT WAS, IT WAS LIKE $100,000, WHICH SEEMED LIKE A LOT AT THE TIME. AND I DON'T THINK YOU CAN EVEN FIND A HOUSE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR $100,000. SO LET ME GET INTO SOME QUESTIONS. SO THIS IS FOR DOCTOR CLARK AND ASHLEY BECAUSE IT KIND OF TOUCHES ON THE RENTAL AFFORDABILITY AND THE APARTMENTS. ONE COMMENT I HEAR A LOT FROM NEIGHBORS IS THAT WE HAVE ALL THESE APARTMENTS THERE. THEY'RE BUILDING THEM NONSTOP EVERYWHERE ACROSS THE CITY. AND ASHLEY, YOUR SLIDE 87, SHOWING THAT THE RENTS HAVE STABILIZED, KIND OF EVEN SUPPORTS THAT CONCERN THAT LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS WELL-INTENDED SKEPTICISM ON ARE WE OVERBUILDING? HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT WHEN PEOPLE JUST ARE SEEING APARTMENTS GO UP EVERYWHERE? AND HOW WE HAVE STABILIZED RENTS RIGHT NOW, PER THE CEO REPORT. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. I ALSO GET THAT QUESTION. SO IT'S IT'S IT'S VERY RELEVANT TO THE CONVERSATION. SO I THINK THE ANSWER IS YES. WE'VE SEEN LOTS OF MULTIFAMILY ACTIVITY, LOTS OF NEW APARTMENTS GOING UP. I THINK THE CHALLENGE FOR OUR LOWEST INCOME RENTERS IS THE PRICE POINT OF THAT NEW INVENTORY COMING ONLINE IS TOO EXPENSIVE RELATIVE TO THE INCOME THAT THEY MAKE. AND SO THE SLIDE IN THE IN THE DECK THAT ILLUSTRATES SORT OF THE, THE TOP OCCUPATIONS IN THE METRO AND A TARGET HOUSING WAGE, I THINK REALLY GETS AT THAT. LET ME JUST FLIP TO IT BRIEFLY. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU ARE IN WHAT SLIDE IS THAT. ASHLEY. SO WE CAN PUT IT UP. IT IS. I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS ON YOUR. YEAH. THAT THOR. THOR WILL FIND IT FOR ME. OH RIGHT THERE. 55. SO I THINK THIS ILLUSTRATES THE CHALLENGE. WELL, IF WE LOOK AT SOMEONE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN FOOD PREP AND SERVICE IN THE DFW METRO, THE MEDIAN ANNUAL WAGE FOR SOMEONE WORKING FULL TIME [02:25:01] IN FOOD PREP AND SERVICE IS ABOUT $30,000. AND SO IF WE APPLY THAT 30% KIND OF BUDGET THRESHOLD FOR HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, THAT LEAVES THEM WITH A TARGET HOUSING BUDGET OF $4 A MONTH, WHICH YOU'LL BE HARD PRESSED TO FIND HOUSING STOCK THAT IS DECENT AND AT THAT AFFORDABILITY LEVEL. AND SO THE NEW HOUSING STOCK COMING ONLINE IS DOUBLE, TRIPLE, QUADRUPLE SOMETIMES THAT TARGET HOUSING BUDGET. AND SO YES, THERE IS LOTS OF INVENTORY COMING ONLINE, BUT THERE'S A MISMATCH IN THE PRICE POINT. AND THEN WHAT THE HOUSEHOLD BUDGET CAN SUPPORT FOR OUR LOW INCOME RENTERS. SO OUR INCOME LEVELS HAVE NOT KEPT UP WITH THE RISE IN THE IN THE GENERAL COST OVER TIME OF THE APARTMENT COST. THAT'S RIGHT. RENTAL COSTS. THAT'S PART OF THE STORY. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO SAY SOMETHING TO THAT AS WELL? WE DID HAVE A LET'S CALL IT BY NATIONAL STANDARDS, A PRETTY GOOD BOOM IN APARTMENT BUILDING, I THINK REALLY BY THE LATE TEENS AND IN THE EARLY 20S. AND AS WE NOTED WITH AUSTIN, WHICH HAD A BIGGER BOOM RELATIVE TO THEIR POPULATION ENOUGH BUILDING DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IT'S INTERESTING. PEOPLE LOOK AROUND, THEY IMAGINE THERE'S APARTMENTS GOING UP EVERYWHERE. I THINK PEOPLE'S EYES A LITTLE BIT CAN PLAY TRICKS ON THEM. I WAS TRYING TO THINK IN MY HEAD JUST HOW MANY APARTMENTS HAVE PROBABLY BEEN BUILT WITHIN A THREE MILE RADIUS OF MY HOME IN DISTRICT 13, AND IT WOULD BE STILL A VERY, VERY SMALL NUMBER. I WOULD JUST ALSO NOTE THAT IF WE IF PEOPLE THINK THAT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF APARTMENTS BEING BUILT, IF THEY WENT A FEW MILES TO THE WEST TO FORT WORTH, THEY WOULD SEE A MUCH MORE AGGRESSIVE PACE AND THEY'D SEE STILL MORE IF THEY WENT TO PLACES LIKE CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA, THAT PERFORM AT THE VERY HIGH END. SO WE'VE WE'VE DONE OKAY. IF WE HAD IF WE HADN'T DONE AS WELL AS WE HAVE, WE'D HAVE CONSIDERABLY HIGHER RENTS. THANK YOU. AND BEFORE I FORGET, I WANT TO THANK OUR HOUSING ADVOCATES WHO SHOWED UP TODAY. I MEANT TO THANK YOU GUYS EARLIER AND EVERYBODY WHO'S WORKING WITH THE CFT. THAT IS A VERY IMPRESSIVE GROUP OF FOLKS WHO ARE COMING TOGETHER, AND I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE TIME IN THIS ROUND, BUT I DO WANT TO ADDRESS THAT LATER. THIS IS FOR MISS DUGGINS OR ANYBODY. IF HER VIDEO IS NOT WORKING LIKE ANYBODY ELSE WHO CAN ANSWER THIS ON SLIDE 33. SHE MENTIONED THAT 86.7% OF BUYERS IN THE MARKET. I THINK THAT'S DALLAS. MAYBE IT'S NATIONWIDE, PURCHASED A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES. IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THERE'S A SHIFT IN THE MARKET, LIKE TOWARDS OTHER TYPES OF HOMES LIKE DUPLEXES OR YOU KNOW, OTHER NONTRADITIONAL TYPES OF HOUSING OTHER THAN YOUR SINGLE FAMILY, INDIVIDUAL STANDING HOMES. AND MAYBE AMONGST MILLENNIALS OR SENIORS. DOES ANYONE HAVE THAT DATA? SO SO I DON'T HAVE DALLAS SPECIFIC DATA ON WHAT ARE YOU. ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR ME? OH, WE HEARD YOU. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. I WAS GOING TO SAY WE DON'T I DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC DATA ON OTHER TYPES OF HOUSING. I WILL SAY THIS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE SEEING AS A TREND IS MULTI AND MULTIGENERATIONAL HOUSING, WHERE WE'RE WE'RE SEEING SEVERAL GENERATIONS OF FOLKS IN FAMILIES THAT ARE LIVING TOGETHER OR NON OR UNCOMMON TYPE OF OWNERSHIP SETUPS, RIGHT? IN ARRANGEMENTS WHERE FOLKS ARE WILLING TO LIKE PURCHASE A HOME WITH SOMEONE THAT THEY WILL BE LIKE A ROOMMATE OR CO-OWNER WITH, BUT DEFINITELY MULTI, MULTI GENERATIONAL HOUSING IS SOMETHING WE, WE'RE SEEING MORE AS A TREND BECAUSE OF THE AFFORDABILITY CHALLENGES. I THINK THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES ACROSS THE BOARD THROUGHOUT THE NATION TO LOOK AT OTHER TYPES OF HOUSING. BUT MANY FAMILIES STILL DO LIKE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT OTHER TYPES OF HOUSING STOCK SHOULD NOT BE EXPLORED. SO WE, WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND LOOKING AT YOU KNOW, OTHER TYPES OF STOCK, HOUSING, STOCK AND ZONING AND MAKING SURE THAT, THAT THERE IS ZONING AVAILABLE FOR DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES QUADS AND OTHER TYPES OF HOUSING. ON THE MARKET BECAUSE WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT HOUSING NEEDS. AND THE MAIN THING IS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO OWN, THEY WANT TO OWN, THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO OWN IN SOME WAY AND ENTER HOMEOWNERSHIP. THANK YOU FOR THAT. IN MY LIMITED TIME LEFT, I WILL, I'M GOING TO TURN TO THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT AND ONE THING I DID NOT HEAR AND MAYBE I MISSED IT WAS TARGETED METRIC GOALS. I KNOW IN OUR HOUSING POLICY, WE HAVE A, I BELIEVE IT'S A 10% YEAR OVER YEAR GOAL OF INCREASE IN 0 TO 120% AMI CATEGORIES. CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT? AND HOW DOES THAT FIT INTO THE NEW FRAMEWORK YOU'RE LAYING OUT? [02:30:02] THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. THE, THE PREVIOUS GOALS WITH DALLAS HOUSING POLICY, 33 WERE ALL SUNSETTED IN DECEMBER. PART OF THE DALLAS HOME IS RECRAFTING THE GOALS THAT RESPOND TO OUR HOUSING NEEDS TODAY. AND SO AS WE DEEP DIVE WITH EACH OF YOU IN YOUR DISTRICTS TO UNDERSTAND THE AREA SPECIFIC NEEDS IN OUR CITY OVERALL, WE'LL BRING BACK A PROPOSAL THAT SETS OUR AVAILABLE RESOURCES FUTURE RESOURCES ACCORDINGLY FOR YOUR, YOUR CONSIDERATION. SO WE'RE LOOKING TO REDEVELOP THOSE TO BE MORE INTENTIONAL ABOUT HOW THEY'RE MEASURED AND HOW WE APPROACH THAT. OKAY, I'LL COME BACK TO THAT LATER. THANK YOU FOR THAT. ASHLEY, THIS ONE'S FOR YOU. THE OR MAYBE DOCTOR CLARK THE HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION, PUBLIC FINANCE CORPORATION PRODUCTIONS FOR 2024, I BELIEVE CONSTITUTED 74% OF ALL OF OUR PRODUCTION. CAN YOU INDICATE JUST HOW IMPORTANT THOSE CORPORATIONS ARE TO CONTINUING TO PRODUCE AMI THE VARIOUS AMI LEVELS IN DALLAS. I'M HAPPY TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE DATA SAYS IN TERMS OF THAT 2024 DEEP DIVE. SO THIS WAS NOT IN THE SLIDE DECK, BUT IN THE FULL REPORT, AGAIN, WHICH IS ONLINE AT THE CHILD POVERTY ACTION LAB WEBSITE. ON PAGE 68, IN THE REPORT, WE OUTLINE THE NUMBER OF DEED RESTRICTED DELIVERIES BY COUNCIL DISTRICT IN 2024. AND THEN ON PAGE 70, WE BREAK DOWN THOSE DEED RESTRICTED DELIVERIES BY THE SOURCE, THE THE KIND OF PROGRAM OR FINANCING SOURCE. AND WHAT WE FOUND WAS OF THE 1373 DEED RESTRICTED UNITS THAT WERE DELIVERED IN 2024, 62%, WE IDENTIFIED AS COMING THROUGH THE HFC AND 15% THROUGH THE PFC. THERE WERE SOME THAT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO IDENTIFY, BUT TOGETHER, THE HSC AND PFC IN 24 DELIVERED 77% OF THE DEED RESTRICTED UNITS THAT WE COULD TRACK. THAT'S MORE THAN I THOUGHT. I THOUGHT, I'VE BEEN TELLING EVERYBODY IT'S 74%, 77%. AND WHAT PAGE IS THAT ON IN YOUR IN YOUR REPORT HERE? PAGE 70. GREAT. I WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. SO AS WE GO INTO DISCUSSIONS, I ASSUME LATER THIS MORNING ABOUT THE BYLAWS CHANGES I HAD TO, TO UNDERSTAND IT FULLY, I HAD TO CREATE MY OWN LITTLE CHEAT SHEET AND I GAVE THAT TO MY COLLEAGUES IF YOU GUYS WANT TO CARE TO LOOK AT IT, BUT I DEFINITELY LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT DISCUSSION COMING UP TODAY. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIS, FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. YOU KNOW, THERE'S GREAT WORK GOING ON IN OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S A BIG ISSUE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WRAP OUR ARMS AROUND WITH REGARD TO HOUSING AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN HOUSING FAILS AND PEOPLE ARE ON OUR STREETS. AND THAT'S JUST NOT RIGHT. WE'RE A PROSPEROUS CITY, AND SO IT'S OUR OBLIGATION TO TAKE CARE OF OUR RESIDENTS. BUT WE DON'T DO THAT ALONE. EVEN THOUGH THE CITY OF DALLAS INVESTS, DALLAS COUNTY INVESTS. I MEAN, WE NEED OUR PHILANTHROPIC PARTNERS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OUR NONPROFIT PARTNERS, OUR LEGISLATORS, ETC.. THAT'S CRITICAL. BUT I WANT TO GET TO OUR HOW WE'RE REPORTING ON THIS BECAUSE WE, I KNOW WE'VE GOT PIECES AND REPORTS THAT ARE GIVEN TO US, BUT MY QUESTION IS ABOUT HOW IT ALL COMES TOGETHER. AND I WANT TO START, MR. ERICSSON, WITH YOU ON YOU DID A NICE TIMELINE FOR US ON PAGE 97. BUT MY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, IN 2023, JUST, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN THREE YEARS AGO, WE'VE GOT OUR DALLAS HOUSING POLICY 2033, AND NOW I'M SEEING THIS DALLAS HOME. AND SO I'M TRYING TO RECONCILE, YOU KNOW, WHY WE'RE DOING SOMETHING NEW NOW I KNOW THAT DALLAS HOUSING POLICY 2033 WAS HEAVILY TIED INTO OUR EQUITY GOALS, AND WE HAVE ALL THESE SMART GOALS IN THERE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOLELY TO REALIGN THIS WITH DRIVERS OF OPPORTUNITY. BUT, YOU KNOW, OUR HOUSING ACTION PLAN HAD A LOT OF METRICS BAKED INTO IT. AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE REPORT THAT WE GET AT HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD FOR ME THAT WE'VE GOT CATEGORIES HERE THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY LINING UP WITH WHAT I SEE HERE. AND SO I JUST ADVISE DOCTOR ANATECH THAT I'M SMELLING A DASHBOARD COMING UP ON HOUSING, BECAUSE WE'VE JUST GOT A LOT OF PIECES. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S ALL COMING TOGETHER IN A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE WHO ARE IMMERSED IN LOOKING AT ALL OF THESE DOCUMENTS ALL THE TIME, CAN'T REALLY WRAP OUR HEADS AROUND IT. HOW ARE OUR PARTNERS? HOW ARE THE PUBLIC GOING TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE TRACKING? SO, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, AS I LOOK AT THE HOUSING POLICY I SEE. YOU KNOW, GOALS AROUND FAIR PARK, AROUND UNIVERSITY HILLS, ETC.. [02:35:02] SO HOW DO WE TIE THE INFORMATION WE GET BACK TO THE PROGRESS BEING MADE AGAINST THOSE GOALS? THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM. EVERYTHING FROM DALLAS HOUSING POLICY, INCLUDING THE TARGET AREAS, THE GOALS, EVERYTHING WAS REPEALED DUE TO FEDERAL COMPLIANCE IN DECEMBER. SO NONE OF THAT EXISTS CURRENTLY. WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ARE THE PROGRAMS THAT EXIST IN THE HOUSING RESOURCE CATALOG THAT LIST OUT HOME REPAIR AND DEVELOPMENT AND EVERYTHING OVER THE LAST IN THE LAST BUDGET CYCLE, WE CENTRALIZED HOUSING, HOMELESSNESS, EQUITY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES ALL TOGETHER IN OUR OFFICE. AND SO BY REALIGNING A NEW HOUSING POLICY VISION, WE BRING ALL THAT TOGETHER. DOESN'T MEAN WE SCRAP WHAT'S IN THE ACTION PLAN. IT DOESN'T MEAN WE SCRAP THE DATA. IN FACT, MOST OF THE DATA WAS ALREADY IN ALIGNMENT WITH CPPL BECAUSE WE BOTH USED HR AND A AND SO TOGETHER WITH OUR PARTNERS UP HERE, WE, WE HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE DATA AS IT IS TODAY, TO REEVALUATE SOME OF OUR PILLARS, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SMART GOALS REFLECT ALL OF THE PRIORITIES THAT WE HEAR FROM YOU TODAY TO ADDRESS. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ALSO MENTION THAT PREVIOUSLY WE HAD A HOMELESSNESS DEPARTMENT AND A HOUSING DEPARTMENT THAT HAD DIFFERENT PRIORITIES. AND NOW THAT THEY'RE MERGED WITH US AND FAIR HOUSING, WE HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR WHAT IS THE PRIORITIZATION FOR OUR RESOURCES, FOR HOUSING, FOR THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIFFERENT HOUSING NEEDS AND DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPOLOGIES. AND THAT'S WHAT DALLAS HOME FRAMEWORK BRINGS TOGETHER. SO IT HIGHLIGHTS THE ASPECTS OF THE FOUR TRACK STRATEGY, HIGHLIGHTS THE ASPECTS OF DALLAS HOUSING POLICY 33, AND PRESENTS A FRAMEWORK FOR US TO NOW REFINE ALL THOSE DETAILS AND PRESENT BACK THE REPORTS AT HOUSING COMMITTEE. YOU GET OUR PRODUCTION PERFORMANCE REPORTS BASED UPON BUDGET AND PROGRAMS THAT WILL CONTINUE TO SHOW ACTIVITY, BUT THEY WILL SHIFT INTO MORE ALIGNMENT WITH THE NEW HOUSING POLICY WHEN IT'S ADOPTED FOR FOR CLARITY AND CONCISENESS. SO, I MEAN, THAT'S THE POINT IS THAT WE HAD TO DO THIS AND THAT EVERYONE WHO PUT IN ALL THE WORK ON THIS, I MEAN, STAFF, RESIDENTS, ETC., WITH THIS EYE TOWARD 2033 TO HAVE SOME VISION AROUND HELPING OUR COMMUNITY AND CATCHING UP TO THE POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TODAY IS THAT WE WE HAD TO DO THIS AND THAT WE ARE TAKING STEPS TO NOT LET THESE GOALS THAT WERE SET AND WORKED HARD TO SET THESE NUMBERS GO INTO LIMBO. WE'RE, BUT WE'RE ALSO TAKING THE OPPORTUNITY SINCE WE'VE HAD TO, TO EXAMINE OUR CURRENT STATUS WHERE WE ARE REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE WHERE WE ARE AND CREATE A NEW PLAN. THAT'S AN UPDATE. THAT'S CORRECT. AND IT REAFFIRMS DRIVERS OF OPPORTUNITY BY UNDERSTANDING THE AREAS THAT HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE CAN TRACK ACROSS THE, THE DIFFERENT INDICATORS OF LIFE THAT THAT FRAMEWORK GIVES US THE THE MEASURABLE THINGS THAT WE CAN TRACK. ACROSS ALL COMMUNITIES CONSISTENTLY. AND SO THOSE THINGS WILL COMPLETELY ALIGN. OKAY. THANK YOU. OBVIOUSLY VERY NECESSARY. SO I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW, ONE THING MISS KHAN, THIS WILL BE FOR YOU AT HOUSING FORWARD. SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME THIS WEEK TO, YOU KNOW, WALK ME THROUGH SOME BASICS AND ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. BUT ONE THING THAT I THOUGHT WAS A SHIFT IN SOME THINKING FOR COUNCIL IS THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS, I MEAN, IN BOND PROGRAMS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING AND ACQUIRING PROPERTIES AND WORKING WITH A PARTNER AND CREATING PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. AND YOU SHOULD HAVE SHIFTED THE GEARS ON THAT FOR WHAT SOME BETTER THINKING WOULD BE IF YOU WANT TO ELABORATE ON THAT, YOU KNOW, PSH VERSUS JUST AFFORDABILITY. YEAH, SURE. SO I THINK WHEN A FEW YEARS AGO, I THINK THE, THE MODEL THAT THE CITY WAS PURSUING WAS PURCHASING A BUILDING AND THEN CONVERTING THAT BUILDING INTO PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, WHICH HAPPENS THROUGH PUTTING VOUCHERS ON 100% OF THE UNITS AND ATTACHING SERVICE PACKAGES. WE'RE IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE WHAT WE'VE LEARNED IS WE CAN SCALE THE NUMBER OF SUPPORTIVE HOUSING UNITS MUCH FASTER WHEN INSTEAD, WE'RE BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS WITH LANDLORDS ALL OVER DALLAS AND COUNTY. AND SO TODAY, HOUSING FORWARD HAS A LANDLORD ENGAGEMENT TEAM THAT'S WORKING WITH ABOUT 510 LANDLORDS ACROSS DALLAS AND COLLIN COUNTY. AND WHEN THOSE LANDLORDS HAVE VACANCIES, WE HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM TO HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE VACANCIES. AND THEN WE CAN PUT SUBSIDY AND SERVICES ON A UNIT IN ORDER TO CONVERT THAT UNIT INTO SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. AND THAT ALLOWS US TO NOT WAIT FOR AN ENTIRE BUILDING TO BE DEVELOPED. ALL VOUCHERS TO BE SECURED AND SERVICES TO BE ON BOARD ON THAT UNIT BEFORE WE CAN CONVERT THE WHOLE BUILDING. SO IT'S A MUCH MORE STREAMLINED WAY OF US GRABBING AS MANY UNITS AS POSSIBLE AND THEN CONVERTING THOSE UNITS INTO SUPPORTIVE HOUSING UNITS AS THE RESOURCE IS AVAILABLE. [02:40:02] WE'RE NOT IN AN ENVIRONMENT RIGHT NOW WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE 100 VOUCHERS LINING UP WITH 100 SERVICE PACKAGES AT THE TIME THAT A PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE, AND THAT'S GOING TO GET HARDER AND HARDER FOR US TO DO SO. WE'RE SHIFTING TO BEING MORE OPPORTUNISTIC WITH THE UNITS THAT ARE VACANT AT ANY GIVEN POINT IN TIME, SO WE CAN STILL GET THE OUTCOME AND THE BENEFIT THAT WE WANT FROM PSH. BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ALL THAT BRICK AND MORTAR INVESTMENT AND HEADACHE AND HEARTBURN. WE ARE STILL A PROPONENT OF CREATING AS MANY HOUSING UNITS AS POSSIBLE AND WORKING, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE AFFORDABLE UNITS ARE COMING ONLINE. AND THEN AFTER THEY'RE ONLINE, WE CAN CONVERT THEM INTO SUPPORTIVE HOUSING UNITS AS THEY BECOME AVAILABLE. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE VOUCHER TO BE THERE TO DO THAT. OVERALL AFFORDABLE HOUSING. ALL RIGHT, SHIFTING TO CHILD POVERTY ACTION LAB, MISS FLORES. THANK YOU. YOU SAID SOMETHING. I THINK IT WAS ON PAGE 85. YOU SAID HIGH INCOME HOUSEHOLDS ARE MORE LIKELY TO RENT TODAY THAN TEN YEARS AGO. AND SOME OF WHAT I HEAR, BECAUSE THE DIRT IS USUALLY MORE EXPENSIVE IN THE DISTRICT THAT I REPRESENT. IS THAT, I MEAN, HELPING FOLKS UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, THAT DYNAMIC, WHICH IS AN INTERESTING FACT ON ITS OWN, BUT THAT BUILDING MARKET RATE AND HIGH END STILL HELPS OUR HOUSING SITUATION. CAN YOU JUST TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT AND ABOUT THIS, THIS FACT AND WHY WE THINK THIS IS? SURE. I'LL, I'LL KICK IT OFF. BUT THEN TO I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE MORE DETAIL TO ADD. BUT JUST TO THE POINT ABOUT HIGHER INCOME RENT, HIGHER INCOME HOUSEHOLDS ARE MORE LIKELY TO RENT IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND THEY WERE A DECADE AGO. THIS WAS NOT IN THE FULL PRESENTATION, BUT ON PAGE 61 IN THE REPORT WE SAY THAT IN 2023, 38% OF HOUSEHOLDS THAT WERE EARNING MORE THAN $100,000 WERE RENTERS, COMPARED TO 26% OF HOUSEHOLDS THAT WERE EARNING MORE THAN $100,000 IN 2013. SO A BIG JUMP IN TERMS OF HIGHER INCOME HOUSEHOLDS FROM 2013 TO 2023 THAT ARE REMAINING RENTERS. AND SO THAT DOES PUT SOME DOWNWARD PRESSURE ON THE MARKET IN TERMS OF BUILDING MORE UNITS AND HOW IT AFFECTS SUPPLY OVERALL, THERE IS GOOD EVIDENCE THAT BUILDING MORE UNITS DOES SOFTEN RENTS, PARTICULARLY AT THE KIND OF TOP END OF THE MARKET. BUT I'LL HAND IT OVER TO COLUMN TO GIVE MORE DETAIL THERE. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO DO THAT? SURE. I'M JUST WONDERING, TO WHAT DO WE ATTRIBUTE THIS JUMP IN THE HIGHER HOUSEHOLD INCOME HIGHER HOUSEHOLD INCOMES BEING MORE LIKELY TO RENT TODAY THAN BEFORE. YEAH, I THINK THAT AS I NOTED IN MY PRESENTATION, THE, THE, THE FIRST THING TO SAY ABOUT HOME OWNERSHIP VERSUS RENT DECISIONS IS THAT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE HIGHER THE RENTS AND THE HIGHER THE HOME PRICES RELATIVE TO PEOPLE'S INCOMES, THE LOWER THE HOME OWNERSHIP RATE GOES. AND THAT'S ALL UP AND DOWN THE INCOME DISTRIBUTION. SO SO WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN DALLAS IS A SLIGHTLY EXAGGERATED VERSION OF WHAT CITIES ALL OVER OUR COUNTRY HAVE SEEN WHICH IS GREAT BIG INCREASE IN RENTS AND HOME PRICES MUCH OF THE TIME MOVING KIND OF TOGETHER SOMETIMES A LITTLE BIT OF FLUCTUATION. AND THE NET RESULT HAS BEEN THAT HOME OWNERSHIP RATES ARE LOWER THAN THEY WERE BACK IN BEFORE THE FINANCIAL CRISIS IN 2008, WHERE REALLY OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS, THEY'VE MOSTLY TRENDED A LITTLE BIT DOWN IN CITIES EVERY PLACE. AND THAT INCLUDES AT SOMEWHAT HIGHER INCOME LEVELS. SO THE WILLINGNESS TO RENT AT THIS INCOME LEVEL FREES UP HOUSING THAT CAN ADD UP. I MEAN, IN SOME CASES IT MAY BE A CHOICE, MAYBE IT'S NOT. BUT IT COULD FREE UP THE SINGLE FAMILY AND TOWNHOMES OR DUPLEX OR WHATEVER THE OTHER HOUSING OPTIONS ARE IN THE MARKETPLACE. SURE. I THINK THAT PROBABLY THE IMPORTANT THING TO SAY. I HOPE THIS IS ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION, BUT THE IMPORTANT THING TO SAY IS THAT THE WHOLE HOUSING MARKET IS, IS, IS FUNGIBLE. I MEAN, IF THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW, IF WE BUILD A NEW RENTAL BUILDING AND PEOPLE MOVE INTO THAT, THEN THEY LEFT SOME OTHER PLACE BEHIND AND SOMEONE CAN MOVE INTO THE PLACE THEY LEFT BEHIND. AND THE NET RESULT IS THAT IT DOES FREE UP EXISTING HOUSING FOR DALLAS RESIDENTS EVERY TIME WE BUILD ANYTHING NEW, INCLUDING AT A SOMEWHAT HIGHER END. SO EVERYTHING ALLOWS FOR MORE MOVEMENT. TRUE, BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE HEAR IF THERE'S A HIGHER END PROPERTY, IT'S LIKE, WHERE'S THE AFFORDABILITY? HOW DOES THIS REALLY HELP? AND YOU'RE TELLING ME IT DOES HELP. THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S ACTUALLY THAT THAT THEORY HAS BEEN AROUND IN AMONG KIND OF HOUSING ECONOMISTS FOR A LONG TIME. BUT WHEN PEOPLE HAVE STUDIED IT INTENSIVELY AT THE LEVEL OF INDIVIDUAL CITIES AND EVEN NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY HAVE RESOUNDINGLY FOUND THAT YOU ARE CORRECT. THEY HAVE THEY HAVE UNIVERSALLY FOUND, INCLUDING DATA THAT JUST CAME OUT IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. THERE WAS A STUDY. IT WAS ACTUALLY IN HONOLULU, BUT THERE WERE EARLIER ONES IN OTHER CITIES ALL SHOWING THE SAME THING. [02:45:01] YES. IF YOU BUILD AT THE MIDDLE OR UPPER MIDDLE SIDE OF THE MARKET THAT IT DOES IN FACT MAKE MORE EXISTING HOUSING AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE OF LOWER MEANS AND MAKES HOUSING OVERALL MORE AFFORDABLE FOR EVERYONE ON AVERAGE. OKAY, SO IT'S A CASCADE. MR. ERICSSON I WOULD JUST SAY ALONG THAT LINE, A COUPLE OTHER THINGS ARE HAPPENING. SENIORS ARE STAYING LONGER IN THEIR HOMES. AND SO SINCE THEY'RE NOT SELLING THOSE HOMES AT THE FREQUENCY THAT THEY USED TO BE, THE NEW HOUSING STOCK ALLOWS FOR MOVEMENT THAT WAS NOT TRADITIONALLY TAKING PLACE ANYMORE. THE OTHER THING IS, IS THE HOUSING COST HAS GONE UP AT THE SAME TIME REQUIRING HOUSEHOLDS TO SPEND MORE YEARS SAVING FOR A DOWN PAYMENT, WHICH PUSHES THAT BUYER INTO THE LATE 30S AND 40 YEAR OLD TIME FRAME TO BUY THE SAME HOUSE THEY WOULD HAVE EARLIER IN THEIR LIFE. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS ARE HAPPENING WITH THAT AT THE SAME TIME. OKAY, I'LL COME BACK FOR ROUND TWO. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. BLAIR. THANK YOU. THE REPORT SHOWS THAT D8 HAS A LARGE NUMBER OF EVICTIONS AND THAT WE NEED MORE MARKET RATE HOUSING. BASED ON YOUR BOOK HERE, IT SHOWS THAT IN D8. ON PAGE 71, THIS BOOK HERE THAT WE ONLY HAD ONE MARKET RATE DEVELOPMENT OF MULTIFAMILY. IS THAT NOT CORRECT? SO. SO PAGE 71 SHOWS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF OF UNITS DELIVERED. AND THEN BY BUILDING. SO YES, IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE YEAR 2024 THERE WAS ONE MARKET RATE DELIVERY OF 30 UNITS. AND THIS IS MULTIFAMILY. SO THAT IS ALSO SHOWING THAT DATE. THE, THE DELIVERY OF MULTIFAMILY IN D8 IS ALL AFFORDABLE BECAUSE I DO KNOW IN 2022, 23, 24 THAT D8 DID DELIVER MULTIPLE MARKET MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE ALL AT 100% AFFORDABLE OR WORKFORCE HOUSING. SO THIS REPORT IS SHOWING ME, IT'S TELLING ME THAT WE MAY NOT WITH THE NUMBER OF EVICTIONS, THE NUMBER OF THE FACT THAT WE'RE DOING A LARGER DELIVERY OF MULTIFAMILY THAT IS ALL AFFORDABLE. WE MAY NEED MORE. WE MAY NEED MORE CAREERS THAT ARE HIGHER IN THE INCOME BRACKET THAN AFFORDABILITY DEVELOPMENT. YOUR PRESENTATION ALSO SHOWS THAT AND ASKED THAT WE PROVIDE MORE INFRASTRUCTURE. D8 IS ALSO INFRASTRUCTURE DEPRIVED. WE HAVE NO STREETS IN SOME AREAS WE STILL HAVE BAR DITCHES AND NO, NO, WELL, NO SEWER LINES THAT WOULD SUPPORT WITH THESE WITH THE DEVELOPERS ARE SAYING THAT THEY NEED TO HAPPEN. YOU SAY THAT IN WHICH YOU GUYS SHARED WITH US THAT THE DEVELOPERS ARE ASKING FOR A RELIEF IN INFRASTRUCTURE. PROVIDING INFRASTRUCTURE AND TO INCREASE THE THE WAY THAT WE DELIVER THROUGH THE PROCESS OF ZONING AND PLANNING. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER. IF WE WERE TO NOW HAVE TO DELIVER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE THAT THE THE DEVELOPERS NOW DELIVER, ESPECIALLY IN THE IN MY DISTRICT, A LOT IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE. WE ALL. MOST OF US ARE INFRASTRUCTURE DEPRIVED. THAT'S MY NEW COIN FOR MY DISTRICT. INFRASTRUCTURE DEPRIVED. WHAT WOULD THAT DO WITH OUR BUDGET AS WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR BUDGET? WHAT WOULD THAT DO WITH HOW WE WOULD DELIVER OUR BUDGET? AND TODAY, IF WE WERE TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES FOR DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. COUNCIL MEMBER BLAIR FOR THE QUESTION. AND SO I THINK THE INTENTIONAL EFFORTS HAVE BEEN AROUND HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON SCALING INFRASTRUCTURE IN ALL PARTS OF THE CITY WITH KNOWING THAT OUR [02:50:02] TARGETED GROWTH, ECONOMIC GROWTH? I THINK OVER 78% OF THAT IS IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR. WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT FUND THAT HAS BEEN USED. WE KNOW THAT THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE FULL AMOUNT THAT'S NEEDED FOR THE, THE, THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT WE'RE FACING. AS WE CONTINUE TO PUT, TO USE OUR BOND DOLLARS AND THE WAY THAT WE'RE EVEN APPROACHING THE GENERAL FUND AND ENSURING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS HAS IS A PRIORITY. AND WE'VE HEARD FROM OUR RESIDENTS THAT IT IS. HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO BUILD THAT INTO OUR OVERALL BUDGET PLANNING? IT IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE ARE WORKING THROUGH. IF YOU WILL RECALL THAT EVEN IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, WE EVEN INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND JUST FOR OUR STREETS AND PUBLIC WORKS EFFORTS. I'M SORRY, TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS EFFORTS. SO IT WILL BE A RAMP UP THAT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONTINUE TO DO. AND MAKING THAT A PRIORITY WILL BE PART OF THE WAY WE HAVE JUST TO CONTINUE TO APPROACH IT. THERE IS A LOT OF UNMET NEED, AS YOU MENTIONED, AS IT RELATES TO INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE TOOLS THAT WE'RE USING NOW. IT'S A PART OF THE WAY WE EVEN LOOK AT HOW WE INCENTIVIZE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEALS. AND I WOULD JUST SAY THAT WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO CREATE THAT BALANCING ACT TO WHERE WE HAVE DEVELOPERS THAT WANT TO BE A PART OF THE CITY AND THEN MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DELIVERING THE INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THEY GO INTO THOSE AREAS WHERE WE KNOW WE NEED TO SEE ECONOMIC GROWTH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. IF I MAY ADD ON REAL QUICK, ONE OF THE PROPOSED POLICY PILLARS IS INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS TO REAFFIRM THIS EXACT INTEREST. THIS WAS IN THE LAST POLICY AND CONTINUES IN THIS ONE, BECAUSE ONE OF THE PRIMARY THINGS, IT COST THE SAME TO BUILD AN AFFORDABLE HOUSE AS IT DOES A MARKET RATE HOUSE. BUT OFTENTIMES THE SITES THAT THEY'RE LOCATED ON HAVE ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS. AND SO A LOT OF OUR RESOURCES FROM CDBG AND OTHER FEDERAL FUNDS GO TO SUPPORT THE INFRASTRUCTURAL NEEDS TO SEE THOSE DEVELOPMENTS HAPPEN. WELL, I KNOW THAT IN THE PAST THAT THAT MY PREDECESSOR DID DO A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE. AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT OUR POLICY IS THAT EVERY, EVERY EVERY DISTRICT GETS THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT WE HAVE MORE INFRASTRUCTURE NEED AND WE HAVE MORE DEVELOPMENT NEEDS AND WE. BUT AND WE HAVE MORE WE HAVE DONE MORE DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE MULTIFAMILY. BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT MOST OF THE CITY HAS. SO HOW DO WE BALANCE THAT? I THINK THAT IT'S BACK TO THE PRIORITY, THE PRIORITIZATION THAT I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHERE THOSE DEVELOPABLE PARTS OF OUR CITY ARE, AND HOW DO WE BEGIN TO SHOW THAT IN THE WAY WE ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE RESOURCES THAT WE CURRENTLY DO HAVE, AND BEGINNING TO SHOW HOW? AND I TALK ABOUT THE RAMP UP. I THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME RAMP UP OPPORTUNITIES, BUT IT DOES COME WITH A WITH A NEED TO ENSURE THAT THE RAMP UP CAN ALSO BE SUPPORTED WITH OUR AVAILABLE RESOURCES AS FAR AS OUR FUNDING. AND SO WE, WE ARE REALLY LOOKING AT WAYS THAT WE CAN DO MORE IN THOSE AREAS. BUT THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE NEED TO BALANCE THAT OUT WITH WITH THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, JUST BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE SO MANY UNMET NEEDS IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S ONE ANSWER. COUNCILWOMAN BLAIR I THINK THERE'S GOING TO NEED TO CONTINUE TO BE A MULTITUDE OF TOOLS AND THE WAYS THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. WE DO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND IT. AND I THINK BETWEEN THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND LOOKING AT HOW WE'RE DOING IN DEVELOPING OUR ANNUAL BUDGET, AS WELL AS UTILIZING RESOURCES THAT ARE GETTING US THROUGH SOME OF OUR PRIVATE SECTOR PARTNERS, BEING ABLE TO REALLY ENSURE THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE CAN ACTUALLY MEET THOSE NEEDS. SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK ON IT. WE CAN COME BACK AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE AND EVEN SHOW EVEN BEYOND TODAY'S UPCOMING BUDGET PRESENTATION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR. WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE'LL COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT DURING THE MONTH OF MAY AND JUNE AS IT RELATES TO THE BUDGET. THANK YOU. I THINK THIS MAY BE THE LAST THING I'LL BE ABLE TO SAY AT THIS ROUND THE ON THIS REPORT, YOU GUYS SHOWED THAT THE AVERAGE HOUSE NEW HOUSE IS $400,000 AS OPPOSED TO WHEN IT WAS A COUPLE. WELL, WHEN $100,000 OF TEN YEARS AGO. SO CAN YOU GUYS EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT KIND OF POLICIES THAT YOU'RE OFFERING FOR HOMEOWNERSHIP, NEW HOMEOWNERSHIP INCENTIVE TO INCENTIVIZE, INCENTIVIZE HOMEOWNERSHIP, ESPECIALLY IN THE SOUTHERN AREA? YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. WITH HOMEOWNERSHIP, THERE'S A THERE WAS A COUPLE THINGS IN OUR, IN OUR LAST NOTICE OF FUNDS AVAILABLE. AND THROUGH THE INCENTIVE APPLICATION WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, [02:55:04] WE CAN CONTINUE TO PRIORITIZE HOMEOWNERSHIP APPLICATIONS FROM DEVELOPERS WHO ARE INTENTIONALLY SEEKING OUT WAYS TO BUILD HOMEOWNERSHIP. WE FOLLOW THAT UP WITH THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM THAT WE JUST OUTSOURCED, THANKS TO YOUR APPROVAL THAT OFFERS DOWN PAYMENT OR GAP ASSISTANCE TO HOME BUYERS THAT ARE SEEKING TO BUY A HOME. AS WE LOOK TO BRING THOSE TWO THINGS TOGETHER, A LOT OF THE OPPORTUNITY RESIDES THERE. THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAVE IS THE LAND BANK AND LAND TRANSFER PROGRAMS, OVERSEEN BY FACILITIES AND REAL ESTATE MANAGEMENT, THAT OFFERS THAT LAND TO BE SOLD TO DEVELOPERS AT A LOWER OR REDUCED RATE IN ORDER TO INCENTIVIZE BRINGING DOWN THE COST OF HOME OWNERSHIP AND THEN SELLING THOSE TO INCOME QUALIFIED BUYERS. SO THOSE ARE OUR CURRENT POLICIES. AND WE LOOK TO FOR WAYS TO EXPAND AND CREATE EFFICIENCIES WITHIN THAT PROGRAM. WHEN WILL THAT NEW POLICY THAT THE, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID YOU OUTSOURCED IT. WHEN WILL THAT POLICY COME INTO PLACE WHERE WE CAN SEE IT ACTUALLY GO ON THE GROUND? OH, ABSOLUTELY. SO THAT THAT CONTRACT IS DRAFTED. WE'RE WE'VE ALREADY IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY, BY YOU ALL. AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL START THEIR SERVICES VERY SOON. THE OTHER THING I MIGHT MENTION IS AN INITIATIVE THAT NADINE AT C OF T CFT MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE BACKERS IN THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST PROGRAM. AND SO AS WE HAVE AN ORGANIZATION THAT FORMS AND LOOKS TO DEVELOP A MODEL THAT IS ABLE TO SELL A HOME AT A REDUCED COST AND HAVE A FIXED APPRAISED VALUE BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST MODEL, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO GROW THAT TYPE OF PROGRAM. THERE'S A FEW OTHER SHARED EQUITY MODELS THAT WE CAN EXPLORE IN TERMS OF POLICY, ESPECIALLY AS WE WE DRAW FROM NATIONAL BEST PRACTICES ON DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES TO PRESENT HOME OWNERSHIP THAT MIGHT BE INDIFFERENT. HOUSING TYPOLOGIES LOOKING AT A DUPLEX, LOOKING AT A QUADPLEX, LOOKING AT MORE TOWNHOMES OR CONDO WISE MODEL. SO THINKING ABOUT THE TYPOLOGY OF WHAT A 40 YEAR OLD BUYER MIGHT WANT COMPARED TO, YOU KNOW, A 60 YEAR OLD BUYER OR A 20 YEAR OLD BUYER, THOSE HOUSING TYPOLOGIES AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR OWNERSHIP TAKE DIFFERENT FORMS, BUT WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE SUPPLY FOR ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT FORMS TO ALIGN WITH WHAT PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO SEE IN THE MARKET. ON PAGE 100. YOU HAD YOU YOU TALKED ABOUT A LIST. YOU HAD A WHOLE LIST OF, OF, OF THE DRIVERS OPPORTUNITIES, HOUSING, HOMELESSNESS. CAN YOU SHARE THAT LIST WITH ME? YEAH. OF COURSE. THAT'S AN EASY QUESTION. ALL RIGHT. CHAIRWOMAN STEWART, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU, MAYOR JOHNSON, AND THANK YOU, PANELISTS. THE INFORMATION TODAY, OF COURSE, GIVES US MORE INFORMATION. AND WILL BE VERY HELPFUL AS WE BEGIN TO MAYBE CHANGE SOME POLICY. ALTHOUGH I'M A LITTLE SKEPTICAL ON CHANGES RIGHT NOW. AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY I'M DISTRICT TEN OR I SHOULDN'T, I'M NOT DISTRICT TEN. I REPRESENT DISTRICT TEN. LET'S START THAT OVER. AARON'S LIKE, YEAH, LET'S GET THAT STRAIGHT. AND I SAY AROUND THIS HORSESHOE, A LOT OF TIMES THAT I HAVE MORE NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAN ANY OTHER DISTRICT, AND I BELIEVE MISS MENDELSOHN IS JUST BEHIND ME WITH THE NEXT HIGHEST. AND SO LET ME HELP. LET ME DESCRIBE FOR YOU. I'LL GIVE YOU SOME NUMBERS. I ASKED MY POLICY ANALYST TO HELP ME WITH THIS, SO YOU ALL COULD GET A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A DETAILED UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE RENTAL RATES ARE IN DISTRICT TEN. SO FIRST OFF, THE 50% AMI RENTAL RATE WOULD BE $1,150 A MONTH. I HAVE MANY, LET'S SEE, THE TOP UPPER AND D TEN RATES RANGE FROM $910 A MONTH TO 950. SO THAT'S MY TOP END IS UNDER THE 50% AMI THE MID-RANGE IS 770 TO 820. THE LOWER RANGE IS 714 TO 725. AND THEN BECAUSE I HAVE SEVEN PROPERTIES WHO WERE TRAVELING HFCS AND ARE NOW HAVE GONE INTO FORECLOSURE. THEY ARE IN THE 505 $510 A MONTH FOR RENT. I'M JUST GOING TO LET THAT SINK IN FOR A SECOND. IF YOU ALL ARE PROCESSING THOSE NUMBERS. I DON'T FIT ANY OF THE AMIS. I AM WAY, WAY LOWER THAN ANY OF THE THAN THE 50, 60, 80% AMIS. I BELIEVE THERE WAS A SLIDE THAT HAD INCOME OF $30,000 NEEDED TO TO A RENTAL RATE OF 700. AND THEY CAN FIND THAT IN MY DISTRICT. SO. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHERE WE'RE HEADED FROM HERE. I CAN TELL YOU WE DO HAVE 18 TO 20 PROPERTIES THAT ARE TRAVELING HFCS. SEVEN OF THEM ARE NOW IN FORECLOSURE. THE REST ARE HEADED THAT DIRECTION. [03:00:02] I AM IN CONVERSATION WITH THEIR PROPERTY MANAGERS, WITH THEIR PROPERTY OWNERS I'M TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM ON NEXT STEPS, TRYING TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE GOOD PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AND HAVE SECURITY ISSUES ADDRESSED AND QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES ADDRESSED. WE DID HAVE A DOUBLE DOUBLE HOMICIDE AND ONE OF THESE PROPERTIES ABOUT TEN DAYS AGO. SO IT'S, IT'S JUST A LITTLE DICEY IN DISTRICT TEN RIGHT NOW. I HAVE SOME EXCELLENT ASSISTANCE FROM DAVID ELLIS, WHO REPRESENTS DISTRICT TEN ON THE HFC FROM RYAN GARCIA, WHO LIVES IN DISTRICT TEN BUT HAS BEEN ON THE PFC. THEY'RE VERY, VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE AND THEY ARE VERY, VERY HELPFUL TO ME AND HAVE IN FIGURING OUT HOW TO NAVIGATE THIS. BUT WHEN I LISTEN TO ALL THAT SAID, I, I DON'T IDENTIFY NECESSARILY WITH WITH SO MUCH OF IT OTHER THAN TO SAY TO SARAH, I THINK WE MIGHT NEED TO HAVE YOU SPEND SOME TIME IN DISTRICT TEN OR YOUR STAFF, BECAUSE WE PROBABLY HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO COULD BE HEADING TOWARDS HOMELESSNESS, ESPECIALLY IF SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES THAT FORECLOSED JUST GO THROUGH A REALLY ROUGH PERIOD AND, AND MAY THEIR TENANTS MAY LEAVE. SO ALL OF THAT'S TO SAY, JUST, IT WAS, IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME THAT EVERYONE AROUND THIS HORSESHOE UNDERSTAND DISTRICT TEN IS STRUGGLING. I'M GOING TO IMAGINE DISTRICT 12 HAS SOME VERY SIMILAR ISSUES. AND THERE ARE OTHER DISTRICTS, I'M SURE THAT ARE ALSO STRUGGLING. SO IT'S EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE SHARED IS COMPELLING. IT'S, IT'S GOOD INFORMATION, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY SPEAKING TO ME WHERE I AM RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF THE VERY DIFFICULT DECISIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE. AND THOR, I KNOW YOU AND I NEED TO GET ON THE CALENDAR AND SPEND SOME TIME, BUT ANYTHING THAT LIMITS OR MAKES A VOTE FOR A PFC OR HFC MORE DIFFICULT TO RAISE THAT VOTE TO TWO THIRDS DOES NOT RESONATE WITH ME, DOES NOT RESONATE WITH ME. SO ANY OF THOSE CHANGES I AM I NEED TO VET THOROUGHLY BEFORE I'M WILLING TO, TO SUPPORT THEM. AND I'M NOT INCLINED AS I SIT HERE TODAY IN SUPPORTING THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED AND I'LL STOP THOR, IF YOU WANTED TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THAT, I HAVE VERY LITTLE TIME TO SPEAK LEFT. THANK YOU. NO THANK YOU. SPENDING SOME TIME TOGETHER IN THE DISTRICT AND REALLY GETTING TO THE HEART OF SOME OF THE COMPOUNDING CHALLENGES IS DEFINITELY NEEDED. I THINK IN THE LAST POLICY THERE'S A LOT OF STABILIZED AREAS OF THE CITY AND THE MISSION OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT HAS REALLY BEEN TO FOCUS ON INVESTMENTS FOR ATTAINABLE HOUSING. WHERE DO WE INVEST IN THE DEED, RESTRICTED INCOME, RESTRICTED UNITS, AND HOW DOES THAT TAKE PLACE? THE CHALLENGES THAT YOU FACE IN TERMS OF HAVING AN OLDER STABILIZED HOUSING STOCK THAT'S GETTING OLDER AND THEN WAS A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR INVESTORS TO COME IN. IS ONE OF THE MAIN CHALLENGES THAT KIND OF EXISTS OUTSIDE OF WHAT OUR RESOURCES GO TO. BUT. IS ONE THAT'S A VERY REAL CHALLENGE. OVER HALF OF OUR HOUSING STOCK IN THE CITY IS 50 YEARS OR OLDER, AND SOME OF THAT THEN BECOMES NATURALLY OCCURRING BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE ALL THE AMENITIES. AND SO YOUR YOUR DATA IS COMPLETELY ACCURATE. HOW WE ADDRESS THAT ISSUE ACROSS OUR RESOURCES HAS TO BE MORE INTENTIONAL. CHAIR MENDELSOHN INTRODUCED NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING HOUSING COMMITTEE AND NEEDING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT SO THAT WE HAVE A STRATEGY AROUND IT. ONE OF THE THINGS I ASKED MY COLLEAGUES FOR IS SUPPORT AND GUIDANCE ON HOW WE COULD APPROACH THAT, BECAUSE IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS WITHIN ANY EXISTING PROGRAM. AND MANY DIFFERENT CITIES DON'T REALLY TALK ABOUT IT. WE, WE HIGHLIGHT THE BENEFIT OF THAT EXISTING. BUT THEN WHEN IT GETS TO A CERTAIN AGE, THINGS START TO REALLY FALL APART. AND SO WE NEED TO SPEND SOME TIME AND BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT HOW WE APPROACH THAT TOGETHER. THANK YOU. I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT CONVERSATION. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MR. ROTH, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. YOUR PRESENTATION IS REALLY EXCELLENT. IT'S. IT'S REALLY ENLIGHTENING TO ME. BUT IT'S ALSO CONFUSING TO ME BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT ASPECTS TO THE ISSUES THAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP. THIS IS A VERY COMPLICATED AND DIVERSE ISSUE BASED DISCUSSION. YOU'RE DEALING WITH HOME OWNERSHIP ISSUES, WHICH IS A SEPARATE ISSUE. YOU'RE DEALING WITH RENTAL SUBSIDY AND STABILITY, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT ISSUE. YOU'RE DEALING WITH HOMELESSNESS, WHICH IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ISSUE. TO CONFLATE ALL THESE THINGS TOGETHER IN OVERALL POLICY IS VERY DIFFICULT TO GET OUR ARMS AROUND. AND SO I WOULD CAUTION YOU TO IN YOUR PRESENTATIONS. [03:05:01] AND, AND, AND I ENCOURAGE YOU IN YOUR PRESENTATIONS TO BE, TO BE MORE. CATEGORICALLY INDEPENDENT IN YOUR EXPLANATIONS. YOUR SOLUTION BASED IDEAS AND TRYING NOT TO CONFLATE THESE THINGS TOGETHER. EVICTION STAT STATISTICS ARE CERTAINLY AN INDICATION OF SOME SORT OF ECONOMIC OR SOCIAL HOUSING RELATED DEAL, BUT IT'S JUST A NUMBER AND, AND YOU HAVE TO PUT STUFF LIKE THAT INTO CONTEXT AND YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT. DATA IS ONLY AS GOOD AS WHAT IT'S BEING ANALYZED FOR. SO I'D BE VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT BROAD BRUSHING STATISTICS AS OPPOSED TO MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE IDENTIFYING WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. AND ONE THING THAT I DIDN'T HEAR FROM ANY OF YOU ALL IS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S COMPONENT IN ALL OF THIS DISCUSSION, AND WHEN I SAY THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I'M TALKING ABOUT MY NEIGHBORHOOD, MY DISTRICT, MY RESIDENTS, WE HAVE ALL THESE GROUPS. BUT THE SANCTITY, THE INTEGRITY, THE STABILITY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS HAS GOT TO BE A PARAMOUNT DISCUSSION AND THOUGHTFULNESS IN ANY OF THESE SOLUTION BASED IDEAS THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED. AND IF THERE'S NOT GOOD COMMUNICATION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS, IF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AREN'T AREN'T CONSIDERED SIGNIFICANTLY IN THESE SOLUTION BASED PROPOSALS FOR ALL THREE OF THESE ITEMS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THEN THOSE SOLUTIONS ARE NOT GOING TO BE VIABLE. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO INCORPORATE THAT IN COMMUNICATION IN YOUR, IN YOUR DISCUSSION AND IN YOUR SOLUTION BASED PROBLEM SOLVING. MR. ROTH, IF I MAY. SURE. ON SLIDE 98, WE PRESENT OUR GUIDING PRINCIPLES, WHICH I BELIEVE SPEAK TO THE HEART OF THAT. AND AND IT'S REALLY ABOUT INVESTING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AS THE FIRST THING. IT'S ABOUT HONORING OUR HISTORY AND ABOUT LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY. IF WE DON'T DO THOSE THREE THINGS IN POLICY CREATION, ESPECIALLY AROUND ISSUES RELATED TO HOW PEOPLE LIVE IN OUR CITY, WE WILL MISS THE MARK. AND SO WE HEAR YOU ON THAT, AND I TAKE YOU UP ON YOUR OFFER TO LEARN MORE ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING, BECAUSE THOSE ARE OUR GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT WE WANT TO ENVISION IN CRAFTING DALLAS HOME SO THAT WE ENVISION THAT FOR YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. TO ME, THIS IS A THERE'S CERTAINLY A HOUSING CRISIS IN ALL OF THESE THREE AREAS. BUT TO ME, THIS IS AN INCOME CRISIS AND A FUND FUNDING CRISIS. THE I'M CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT IS YOUR, YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT MARKET DRIVEN SOLUTIONS THAT ARE NOT RELATED TO GOVERNMENTAL OR TWO PUBLIC POLICY ISSUES. WHAT EFFECT SHOULD THE MARKET HAVE? AND WHAT IMPACT SHOULD THE MARKET HAVE IN DETERMINING WHAT HOUSING AND WHAT SOLUTIONS ARE THERE? WHY IS THAT IN. AND I'M SAYING IT IN A IN AN ARTFUL WAY. BUT WHY IS THAT NOT SORT OF A PARAMOUNT DRIVER OF HOW OUR SOLUTIONS ARE BASED ON WHAT THE MARKET DETERMINES SHOULD HAPPEN? ARE YOU ADDRESSING THAT? ME? THAT'D BE GREAT. OKAY. WELL, I THINK THAT BARRING SOME SORT OF DRASTIC CHANGE IN HOW WE DO HOUSING IN AMERICA THAT MOST OF WHAT HAPPENS IN HOUSING IN OUR CITY WILL BE A FUNCTION OF THE MARKET. SUPPLY AND DEMAND WILL ULTIMATELY OUT. THEY WILL, THEY WILL PREVAIL. SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MARKET BASED SOLUTIONS I THINK IT'S IT'S REALLY USEFUL TO SEPARATE OUT THE THE MARKET RATE SEGMENT SO THAT THAT PART OF THE HOUSING MARKET, THAT IS NOT A FUNCTION OF SOME SORT OF GOVERNMENT SUBSIDY OR SUPPORT IN SOME FORM FROM THE WHAT WE SOMETIMES CALL CAPITAL, A AFFORDABLE OR INCOME RESTRICTED DEED RESTRICTED SEGMENT. I THINK IT'S, THERE'S A PRETTY STRONG VIEW AMONG HOUSING EXPERTS ALL OVER THE, THE COUNTRY, I WOULD SAY IF IT'S NOT QUITE A UNANIMOUS, IT'S A, IT'S A SUPERMAJORITY. WHO WOULD SAY THAT IN THE MARKET RATE SEGMENT, THE PRINCIPAL ANSWER TO WHAT AILS US IN DALLAS AND ALL OVER OUR COUNTRY IS CAREFUL, THOUGHTFUL DEREGULATION. IT IS, IT IS IT IS SOMEWHAT REDUCING THE RESTRICTIONS THAT MAKE IT HARD FOR DEVELOPERS TO BUILD HOUSING. SO GREATER RESPECT, IF YOU WILL, FOR MARKET FORCES. THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHEN THEY SAY, OH, I DON'T KNOW. FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN, WHEN HOUSTON DID MINIMUM LOT SIZE REFORM, THEY WEREN'T THE GOVERNMENT WASN'T DICTATING WHAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN IN THIS OR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY WERE SIMPLY SAYING THAT THAT UNDER SOME CONDITIONS, DEVELOPERS COULD TAKE A PIECE OF LAND AND SUBDIVIDE IT INTO SMALLER PIECES RATHER THAN NOT BEING ALLOWED TO DO THAT. THEY WERE ALLOWED TO DO NEW THINGS. AND AS A RESULT, HOUSTON HAS SEVERAL TENS OF THOUSANDS OF HOMES THEY OTHERWISE WOULDN'T HAVE BECAUSE OF [03:10:03] THAT. SO THAT'S A THAT TO ME IS A MARKET SOLUTION. AND I'M QUITE CONFIDENT THAT GOOD MARKET SOLUTIONS WILL BE MOST OF MOST OF WHATEVER WE DO HERE IN OUR CITY THAT MAKE THINGS BETTER. WELL, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE ANSWER. IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME THAT THE HOME OWNERSHIP ISSUE IS REALLY A DIFFERENT ISSUE HERE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOT ONLY THE AFFORDABILITY OF A HOUSE AND THE ABILITY OF SOMEBODY TO PUT A DOWN PAYMENT, BUT YOU'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THE ABILITY FOR A PERSON TO MAINTAIN AND OPERATE AND, AND BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN AND OPERATE AND, AND FINANCIALLY. PROVIDE A LONG TERM INVESTMENT FOR THEMSELVES. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO BE VERY SENSITIVE ABOUT IS PUTTING PEOPLE OR, OR SUGGESTING OR, OR HELPING PEOPLE BE PUT IN A POSITION WHERE THEY MAY, MIGHT FAIL. AND I'M REAL CONCERNED ABOUT OUR ABILITY TO, TO BE IN THAT BUSINESS. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT THAT'S A BUSINESS WE SHOULD BE IN AS A CITY GOVERNMENT. I THINK WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE IT. WE SHOULD LOOK FOR OUTSIDE PARTNERS, FOR FUNDING, FOR SUPPORT, FOR ADVICE ON THAT THINGS. BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT OUR POSITION IS IN HELPING PEOPLE DO THINGS THAT ARE THAT WITHOUT THE PROPER VETTING. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO DO THAT. THE SECOND THING IS, IS I THINK RENTAL SUBSIDY IS ALSO A VERY INTERESTING IDEA. I THINK IT SHOULD NOT BE LOCATION REQUIRED. IT SHOULD BE VOUCHER OR IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING ELSE. ANYWAY, I'M RUNNING OUT OF TIME, BUT THANK YOU. YOUR TIME FOR THIS ROUND, CHAIRMAN GRACEY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, AND THANK YOU ALL. THIS WAS A REALLY THOROUGH, IN TERMS OF INFORMATION GIVING A FULL SCALE VIEW OF THE HOUSING MARKET WITHIN DALLAS. SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO DO THIS. I'M LIKE, CHAD, I'M GOING TO BE ALL OVER THE PLACE A LITTLE BIT HERE, BUT I WANT TO START WHERE HE STARTED. HE ENDED WITH THE MARKET SOLUTION. SO I HAVE A SIMPLE QUESTION, AND THIS GOES TO YOU HERE. AND IT'S FROM AN ECONOMIC PERSPECTIVE. AND THIS IS THE THING THAT I STRUGGLE WITH. YES, SIR. FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, FROM A SUPPLY AND DEMAND, SOUTHERN DALLAS HAS THE MOST SUPPLY CORRECT IN TERMS OF LAND, IN TERMS OF SUPPLY OF LAND FOR THEIRS, WHICH MEANS THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GOING TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO FILL SOME OF THE NEEDS TO ADDRESS THIS HOUSING CRISIS IN SOUTHERN DALLAS BECAUSE OF THE AVAILABLE LAND THERE. BUT MY QUESTION IS, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN IS, AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE REST OF MY COLLEAGUES, BUT THE CONCERN IS THAT A MAJORITY OF THE GAP, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING GAP, WILL, WILL TRY TO BE SOLVED IN SOUTHERN DALLAS DUE TO THE AVAILABILITY OF THE LAND. AND I GUESS WHERE I STRUGGLE WITH THIS IS AND REALLY FROM A DEVELOPER, WE SAID THE MARKET WOULD LET THE MARKET DO WHAT IT DOES, BUT I'M AFRAID THAT SOMETIMES WE MAY HAVE SET THIS MARKET UP TO WHERE IT DOESN'T FACTOR IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE MOVING INTO, SAY, DISTRICT THREE, WHERE ARE THEY MOVING FROM? WHAT ARE THEIR INCOMES? AND IF WE WERE TO BUILD THE HIGH END MARKET, THAT MARKET RATE THAT WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR, WOULD IT SELL SO I GUESS, OR WOULD IT WOULD THEY BE OCCUPIED IN MY THEORY IS, YES, EVERY TIME WE'VE BUILT, EVERY TIME WE'VE DONE SOMETHING, IT'S DONE REALLY WELL AND IT'S GONE FAST, INCLUDING SINGLE HOMES, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND ALL OF THAT. SO I GUESS I'M TRYING TO SAY, WHERE DOES THAT FACTOR INTO THIS DISCUSSION TODAY FROM A HIGH END MARKET RATE PERSPECTIVE? HOW DOES THAT FACTOR INTO THIS? I KNOW WE HAVE THE GUARDRAILS AND THINGS IN PLACE, AND I APPRECIATE THE ATTEMPTS THAT WE'RE DOING TO HELP. MANAGE THE CONCENTRATION OF LOW INCOME. BUT HOW DOES THE MARKET FACTOR IN FOR HIGH END DEVELOPMENT IN AND AROUND SOUTHERN DALLAS IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE? I KNOW IT'S A BIG QUESTION, BUT IT'S A PIECE THAT'S NOT BEING TALKED ABOUT THAT I WANT TO PUT ON THE TABLE AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THESE DISCUSSIONS. SURE. WELL, COMING BACK TO WHAT I JUST SAID BEFORE I THINK IT IS REALLY USEFUL TO SEPARATE THE MARKET RATE SEGMENT FROM THE CAPITAL, A AFFORDABLE SUBSIDIZED SEGMENT. AND IN THE, IN THE MARKET RATE SEGMENT OF THE MARKET, I THINK AS A, THE SIMPLE PROPOSITION FROM A, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN ECONOMIST SPEAKING IS THAT IF YOU ALLOW SOMETHING TO BE BUILT IN THIS OR THAT LOCATION IN DALLAS. IF IT IS ALLOWED, THEN MY JUDGMENT IS THE THE THE CAPITALIST DEVELOPER SYSTEM IN OUR COUNTRY AND IN OUR CITY IS THERE'S NO REASON TO THINK THAT IT WOULD NOT SUCCEED IN BUILDING THAT FOR WHICH THERE IS DEMAND. YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THAT CAN BE BUILT AND SOLD PROFITABLY, I DON'T THINK THAT ON THE WHOLE, [03:15:02] THAT SOMEHOW THE DEVELOPER COMMUNITY WILL MISS THAT AND SOMEHOW NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE. SO SO ESSENTIALLY THE, THE, THE, THE MORE, LET'S SAY HOUSING GROWTH FRIENDLY, THE ENVIRONMENT IS IN ANY DISTRICT, INCLUDING IN SOUTHERN DALLAS. OTHER THINGS EQUAL THE MORE MARKET RATE HOUSING WE'RE LIKELY TO SEE GET BUILT SO LONG AS THE DEMAND IS THERE. SO SO I THINK WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT LUXURY OR HIGH END IN SOUTHERN DALLAS, WE'VE CLEARLY SEEN THAT THERE'S THE DEMAND FOR THAT. WE'VE ALSO SEEN THAT INEVITABLY THAT CREATES CONCERNS ABOUT DISPLACEMENT ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS FOR PEOPLE IN NEIGHBORHOODS. AND, YOU KNOW, AND THOSE ARE HARD JUDGMENT CALLS THAT THAT ARE. AND THAT'S THE THING. SO AND NOT TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT THAT'S THE THING. AND I WANT TO BECAUSE THESE KIND OF THINGS KEEP BEING BEING SAID THAT IT WOULD IT WOULD PROMOTE DISPLACEMENT. AND IF YOU HAVE THE AVAILABLE LAND, IT WOULDN'T. IT PROMOTES ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY IN PLACES THAT HAVE HISTORICALLY NOT SEEN THAT. AREAS AROUND MOUNTAIN CREEK LAKE AND ALL OF THAT WITH THESE WONDERFUL VIEWS NEXT TO TRAILS AND PARKS. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE ARE HAVING THESE HOUSING DISCUSSIONS, THAT DOESN'T GET LOST IN THAT. SO I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT I WANT TO. THAT'S THE POINT THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. WELL, SURE. LET ME SPEAK TO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I THINK YOU'VE MENTIONED, SIR. ON THE THE, THE ISSUE OF DISPLACEMENT. IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A HARD TOPIC EVEN TO STUDY. IT'S HARD TO DEFINE. I'VE WORKED WITH MY FRIEND JAMES ARMSTRONG ON DEFINING IT IN THE PAST. SO WHAT I THINK THE EVIDENCE SUGGESTS PRETTY STRONGLY IS THAT DISPLACEMENT IS A FUNCTION OF SCARCITY. AND WHEN MORE HOUSING IS BEING BUILT AND IS AVAILABLE, THERE IS LESS. IF YOU WILL, COMPETITION FOR EACH AND EVERY LOT AND THUS LESS DISPLACEMENT. SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, MORE AND MORE HOME BUILDING IS GOOD NEWS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY THERE. NOT BAD NEWS. SOMETIMES THAT RUNS COUNTER TO PEOPLE'S PERCEPTIONS IN THE MOMENT. I UNDERSTAND, BUT THAT IS NONETHELESS WHAT THE DATA SUGGESTS. I ALSO THINK, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THOR TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER, THE GENERAL CASE FOR TRYING TO CREATE MIXED INCOME ENVIRONMENT IN A LOCATION. WELL, TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT'S DESIRABLE, AND I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF REASON TO THINK THAT IT IS THAT IF WE BUILD A FULL RANGE OF HOUSING TYPES, AND SOME OF THEM ARE HIGHER END, AND SOME OF THEM ARE NOT IN EVERY DISTRICT AND ALL OVER OUR CITY, WE WOULD TREND IN THE DIRECTION AWAY FROM THE THE SEGREGATION AND INJUSTICE OF THE PAST AND TOWARDS MORE MIXED UP MIXED INCOME ENVIRONMENTS, WHICH HOPEFULLY WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE ECONOMY AND THE UNITY OF OUR CITY. OKAY. MY CLOCK IS STILL GOING. IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE OKAY? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU CAUGHT ME BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO COME IN. NO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ME. MAN. THAT'S A THAT'S A BILLY RAY JOHNSON. I KNOW THAT, BUT THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THAT'S WHERE I'LL START WITH SOME OF THIS IS I THINK I JUST IT MRS A LOT OF THE AFFIRMATIVE MARKET RATE INCENTIVES TO HELP DEVELOP IN AND AROUND SOUTHERN DALLAS SO THAT'S SOME OF THE THINGS I'LL BE LOOKING TO, TO AS WE CONTINUE THESE DISCUSSIONS IS MORE INCENTIVES TO, TO AFFIRM MARKET RATE DEVELOPMENT IN AND AROUND HIGH END MARKET RATE DEVELOPMENT IN AND AROUND THE AREA. LET'S SEE. AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO SET UP AS WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABILITY AND ALL OF THAT. I WAS WE WERE COUNCILWOMAN BLAIR AND I WERE TALKING YESTERDAY AND WE WERE JUST LOOKING IN AND AROUND REDBIRD MALL AS AN EXAMPLE. AND I THINK THERE WERE 19 DEVELOPMENTS. I THINK TWO OF THEM MAY HAVE BEEN NEW NEW DEVELOPMENTS, BUT THE REST OF THEM ARE EITHER THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ABOUT TO AGE, YOU KNOW, FROM A DEED RESTRICTION PERSPECTIVE OR ARE ALREADY LOW INCOME FROM THERE. SO WHEN WE LOOK, THINK OF THAT, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING OR DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT WOULD HELP US KIND OF SET CAPS. I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GEOGRAPHIC AND ALL OF THAT, BUT PERHAPS IF WE WERE TO CONSIDER SETTING SOME TYPE OF A CAPS, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ILLEGAL OR NOT, BUT SETTING CAPS ON WHERE THE CONCENTRATION IS SO THAT IT CAN OPEN UP THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE MARKET MARKET RATE DEVELOPMENT. YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT, THAT QUESTION. A COUPLE COMMENTS REAL QUICK. THIS PROPOSAL FOR DALLAS HOME, THIS, THIS APPROACH LOOKS AT OUR OUR AVAILABLE FUNDING PRIMARILY. AND THE PUBLIC PURPOSE IS LOW MOD INCOME DEVELOPMENT. THE INCENTIVIZING MARKET RATE DEVELOPMENTS, THAT OTHER STUFF MIGHT COME THROUGH THE OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND WE'LL WORK TOGETHER TO UNDERSTAND YOUR COMMENTS AND SOME OF THAT IN TERMS OF GENERAL CAP ON EXEMPTIONS OFFERED OR PFC OR HFC ACTIVITY AFTER REVIEW AND LENGTHY DISCUSSIONS. THE OFFICE OF HOUSING COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT, WE HAVE NOT TAKEN A POSITION ON THAT. RATHER DEFER TO YOU AS COUNCIL TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST FOR THE CITY FROM LOOKING AT ALL EXEMPTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT PASS ACROSS ALL DIFFERENT SPECTRUMS. [03:20:01] BUT NOT BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT ANALYSIS TO YOU BECAUSE WE ONLY LOOK AT IT FROM A HOUSING DEPARTMENT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS FURTHER CONVERSATION AND UNDERSTANDING FROM POTENTIAL IMPACT TO THE BUDGET, AS YOU ALL MAY SEE FIT IN TERMS OF HOW YOU APPROACH CAPS OR LIMITS ON EXEMPTIONS ACROSS THE BOARD. OKAY. AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO ON AND ON. WE KNOW THE HISTORY OF HOW DALLAS HAS EVOLVED FROM A HOUSING PERSPECTIVE. BUT AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT. INCENTIVES FOR MARKET RATE. HIGH END MARKET RATE DEVELOPMENT IN AND AROUND THE AREA, AS WELL AS POTENTIAL CAPS AROUND LOW INCOME DEVELOPMENT FROM THERE. AND THEN OH, AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THE EXPIRING DEED RESTRICTED PROPERTIES, I KNOW SOME OF THE POLICIES RIGHT NOW ARE SUGGESTING WE'LL GO IN AND REHAB THEM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHICH IS FINE. BUT IF YOU TAKE THE DFCS POLICY, WHICH AGAIN, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST HFC'S POLICY AND YOU PUT THEM TOGETHER, IT SEEMS TO IT APPEARS IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO ADD ON MORE LOW INCOME OR AFFORDABLE. WE'LL GET SOME MARKET RATE, BUT IT'LL BE MORE AFFORDABLE BECAUSE IT'S REHABBING WHAT'S ALREADY EXISTING. AND THE OTHER PIECE I'D LIKE TO SEE IS A POTENTIAL TO AND I'VE SAID THIS MANY TIMES AGAIN, I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, BUT A POTENTIAL TO CONVERT SOME OF THOSE FORMERLY DEED RESTRICTED PROPERTIES INTO CONDOS FOR SALE. THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING PIECE THAT CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR AFFORDABILITY. AND I'LL STOP THERE. YEAH. THANK YOU. I'LL LET YOU KNOW THAT THE HFC IS LOOKING AT OUR EXPIRING DEED RESTRICTIONS IS IMPORTANT. AS THE DATA INDICATES, WE'RE 46,000 UNITS SHORT FOR FAMILIES. LESS THAN 50%, AM I? AND THAT LOOKS TO GROW AS WE LOSE SOME OF THOSE DEED RESTRICTED UNITS. THAT GAP GETS WIDER. AND SO PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO PRESERVE ALL EXISTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. NOW WE UNDERSTAND THE LOCATION AND THE HISTORY OF THAT. AND SO THAT'S A POLICY DECISION. DO WE LET THEM EXPIRE AND LOSE AFFORDABILITY AND GROW THAT GAP? DO WE HAVE TARGETED STRATEGIES FOR WHICH ONES MAKE THE MOST SENSE? LIKE HOW DO WE GO ABOUT THAT TOGETHER TO UNDERSTAND ONE DECISION CAN MAKE ANOTHER IMPACT IN TERMS OF THE GAP AND AVAILABLE UNITS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE. AND SO THAT'S AT THE HEART OF IT. SO IT LOOKS ONE ONE ASPECT LOOKS TO PRESERVE WHAT WE HAVE. ANOTHER LOOKS TO BRING NEW DEVELOPMENT, NEW CONSTRUCTION TO THE AREA TO ADD TO THE EXISTING HOUSING STOCK, BUT BRING IN THAT MARKET RATE TO HELP SPUR ECONOMIC ACTIVITY SO BOTH THINGS CAN WORK IN THE SAME LOCATION. BUT WE ALSO DO HAVE A. HISTORY THAT WE HAVE TO UNPACK AND UNDERSTAND WITH ALL THOSE DECISIONS. PRESERVATION CAN BE DONE THROUGH OWNERSHIP TOO. THAT'S ALL I'M AT. THAT'S THE ONLY POINT I'M MAKING. CHAIRMAN JOHNSON, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I AGREE WITH CHAIR SAID. AND I THINK WE ALL REALIZE THAT WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS, A CRISIS IN DALLAS. BUT SOME THINGS THAT WERE SAID AND I AND I PROBABLY WOULD TALK TO YOU GUYS MORE OFFLINE AND BRING YOU OUT TO OUR COMMUNITY TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WHERE WE CAN REALLY EDUCATE OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS VERY DIFFICULT. AND THEN TO HELP GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE CAN DO. SO HOUSING FORWARD BRINGS IT SAID BRINGS PARTNERS TOGETHER TO SUPPORT THE UNHOUSED COMMUNITY. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? SO WE'RE THE APPOINTED LEAD AGENCY FOR THE ALL NEIGHBORS COALITION. AND SO OUR ROLE IS TO SERVE AS A BACKBONE. AND SO WE SUPPORT ALL OF THE PARTNERS WITHIN THE COALITION TO COME TOGETHER AND AGREE ON A COMMON SET OF STRATEGIES THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE TO BE ABLE TO ENGAGE PEOPLE ON THE STREET AND SUPPORT THEM ON PATHWAYS BACK TOWARDS STABILITY AND RECOVERY. AND WHEN WE GET EVERYONE ROWING IN THE SAME DIRECTION, AND WE GET FUNDERS FUNDING THE SAME STRATEGIES, THAT'S WHAT'S SHOWN TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW US TO SCALE THOSE PATHWAYS THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR PROVIDING INTERVENTION TO THIS ISSUE. AND SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY BEING A FACILITATIVE LEADER, BRINGING PARTNERS TOGETHER TO DESIGN COMMON STRATEGIES ENSURING THAT WE'RE FUNDING THOSE STRATEGIES APPROPRIATELY, BRAIDING TOGETHER TONS OF DIFFERENT RESOURCES, FEDERAL FUNDING, CITY FUNDING, COUNTY FUNDING, OTHER CITY FUNDING. AND THEN WE DO WE RAISE PRIVATE FUNDING FOR THE SYSTEM AS WELL EVERY YEAR. AND THEN THE THIRD COMPONENT OF THAT IS MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE HOLDING OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE FOR RESULTS AND TRACKING OUR PERFORMANCE, TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE DOLLARS ARE BEING USED IN A WAY THAT IS LEADING TO AN EFFECTIVE RESPONSE. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT PARTNERSHIP, YOU GUYS BRING PARTNERS TOGETHER, YOU SUPPORT THE UNHOUSED COMMUNITY. I HAVE A LOT OF UNHOUSED INDIVIDUALS IN MY DISTRICT. YEAH. I'M BEING TOLD THAT SOMETIMES THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE RESOURCES, BUT THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO STAY. HOW CAN WE FIX THAT PROBLEM? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT, GREAT POINT. AND I THINK A LOT OF OUR PRESENT, THE PRESENTATION WAS ABOUT WHERE WE GO FROM HERE. [03:25:05] AND I THINK WHERE WE GO FROM HERE IS WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TRANSFORM OUR SHELTERS FROM A WAITING ROOM TO A LAUNCH PAD, BECAUSE THE MORE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO SUPPORT PEOPLE IN EXITING HOMELESSNESS SUCCESSFULLY, THEN WE CAN FREE UP THAT BED FOR THE NEXT PERSON TO COME INSIDE. AND IT'S THAT THAT CONSTANT FLOW THAT ALLOWS US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE ROOM AT THE END FOR FOLKS, RIGHT? AND SO WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS WE BOTH NEED COORDINATED OUTREACH. SO WE HAVE AN OUTREACH TEAM SPECIFICALLY ASSIGNED TO YOUR DISTRICT THAT'S MEETING PEOPLE WHERE THEY'RE AT AND ENGAGING FOLKS. BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE BE ABLE TO BRING THOSE, THOSE PEOPLE IN AND GET THEM AN EXIT OUT OF HOMELESSNESS. AND THAT'S SORT OF WHAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO SCALE AS A SYSTEM. RIGHT? AND THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING, BECAUSE I'M IN THE COMMUNITY, I'M BOOTS ON THE GROUND A LOT, AND I WAS OUT WITH THE TEAM YESTERDAY. I THINK IT'S EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM MR.. GREAT. MISS TERRY MASON. AND THEY'RE DOING A WONDERFUL JOB, A GREAT JOB. AND I SEE THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING. HOWEVER, IT'S STARTING TO REPEAT WHERE THEY GO HELP AND BRING THE RESOURCES, BUT THEN THEY, WE SEE THEM COME RIGHT BACK, THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE'VE HELPED. SO I DON'T LIKE TO SLOW DOWN. I WOULD LIKE TO REALLY HAVE A REAL SOLUTION TO THAT PROBLEM. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. HOW CAN WE GET A REAL SOLUTION TO THAT PROBLEM? SO WE DON'T SEE THE SAME INDIVIDUAL AS SAYING THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO GO BACK BECAUSE THERE'S NO SUSTAINABILITY. WHAT CAN WE DO TO BRING SUSTAINABILITY TO THIS SITUATION? YEAH. GREAT QUESTION. SO SOME OF THE TOOLS THAT WE'VE BUILT IN OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS IS WE HAVE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SPECIALISTS THROUGH SOME NEW BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CARE TEAMS THAT HAVE JOINED THE COORDINATED OUTREACH TEAM. SO WE HAVE A THERE'S A SEPARATE COORDINATED OUTREACH TEAM APART FROM THE CITY'S TEAM THAT IS ASSIGNED TO YOUR AREA THAT HAS BEHAVIORAL HEALTH WORKERS WORKING WITH THEM. BECAUSE THE IDEA IS WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE CONNECTIONS TO TREATMENT FROM THAT FIRST POINT OF ENGAGEMENT ON THE STREET AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, CREATE PATHWAYS OFF THE STREET FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS SO THAT THEY DON'T COME BACK AND THEY HAVE THE SUPPORT THAT THEY NEED THAT FOLLOWS THEM INTO THE COMMUNITY, PROVIDING THEM THE CARE THAT THEY NEED. SO WE DON'T SEE THEM RIGHT BACK IN THE SAME LOCATION. BUT I THINK WHAT WE'VE LEARNED IS WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THOSE PATHWAYS OFF THE STREET FOR INDIVIDUALS, THEN WE'RE REALLY JUST SEEING THEM MOVE FROM BLOCK TO BLOCK ALL OVER THE COMMUNITY OR SOMETIMES GOING INTO SHELTER AND OUT. SO THE IDEA IS THIS FROM FROM THIS YEAR MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE TRYING TO ENSURE THAT AS WE BRING SOMEONE INTO A SHELTER BED, THAT THAT SHELTER BED IS CONNECTED TO ONE OF THOSE EXIT PATHWAYS THAT I DESCRIBED. AND THAT IS WHAT KEEPS PEOPLE IN SHELTER AND THEN OUT AND MAKES SURE THAT THEY THEY LEAVE HOMELESSNESS AND WE DON'T SEE THEM CONTINUOUSLY COMING BACK IN A CYCLE. WHAT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE THIS, DO YOU HAVE THE NUMBERS OR WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS TO YOUTH SLASH TEAM HOMELESSNESS? HOW ARE WE, HOW ARE WE SUPPORTING OUR TEAM HOMELESS, OUR YOUTH HOMELESSNESS? WHAT ARE WE DOING? BECAUSE I'VE ALSO RAN INTO SOME OF OUR YOUNG PEOPLE THAT NEEDS THAT, THAT LEVEL OF SUPPORT AS WELL. SO WHAT ARE WE DOING TO REACH OUT TO THEM TO HELP THEM AS WELL? AND WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE HOMELESS IN DALLAS SACHSE WHEN I WAS A SCHOOL BOARD TRUSTEE, HAD 5000 TRANSIENT STUDENTS. YEAH, THAT'S JUST IN MY DISTRICT ALONE. SO WHAT ARE WE DOING TO HELP THAT? AND I DO NEED THAT INDIVIDUALS THAT'S ALSO ASSIGNED TO MY DISTRICT BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. SO I WOULD LIKE THAT INDIVIDUAL TO WORK CLOSELY WITH MY OFFICE. AND HOW CAN WE GET THAT DONE FOR OUR TRANSIENT STUDENTS THAT NEED THAT ASSISTANCE AS WELL? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. WE WOULD LOVE TO GET ANYONE FROM YOUR OFFICE CONNECTED. WE HAVE A YOUTH LEADERSHIP WORKGROUP THAT'S BEEN ADMINISTERING A YOUTH FRAMEWORK ON ENDING HOMELESSNESS AMONG UNACCOMPANIED YOUTH. AND SO THE TARGET POPULATION WE USUALLY LOOK AT IS BETWEEN 18 AND 24. THAT'S WHEN KIDS ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, OUR YOUTH ARE NOT REALLY THE STATE IS NOT IN CHARGE OF THOSE YOUNG PEOPLE ANYMORE AS THEY AGE OUT OF FOSTER CARE. AND THAT'S THE POPULATION THAT WE SEE REALLY NEEDS TARGETED SUPPORT BETWEEN 18 AND 24. AND SO THAT YOUTH FRAMEWORK HAS BEEN FUELED BY SOME NEW RESOURCES FROM HUD. TWO YEARS AGO, WE WERE ONE OF 15 COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE NATION THAT WERE AWARDED FUNDING SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS POPULATION. AND THAT HAS FUELED SOME NEW COMMUNITY WIDE PLANNING AROUND HOW WE TACKLE THAT POPULATION TO ENSURE THAT, MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHEN WE SAY WE WANT NO ONE SLEEPING ON THE STREETS, THAT MEANS OUR YOUNG PEOPLE TOO. AS YOU'RE DESCRIBING, WHO ARE OFTEN A HIDDEN POPULATION BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT THOSE THOSE YOUNG PEOPLE OFTEN WE DON'T SEE BECAUSE THEY'RE COUCH SURFING OR MAYBE HIDDEN FROM THE STREETS. AND SO THE IN THE FIRST INSTANCE, WE'VE BROUGHT ALL COMMUNITY PARTNERS WORKING WITH THAT POPULATION TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE WE CAN QUICKLY IDENTIFY THOSE YOUNG PEOPLE AND GET THEM ON THE RIGHT PATH OUT OF HOMELESSNESS. AND WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE PARTICIPATION IN THAT LEADERSHIP WORKGROUP FROM ANYONE THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING, I WAS LISTENING TO ZARIN MENTIONED A FEW MINUTES AGO HIS WHAT HE WAS SAYING HOW CAN WE GET. I DON'T KNOW WHO WHO'S THIS FOR? [03:30:01] BETTER HOMES OPPORTUNITY IN DISTRICTS IN DISTRICT FOUR. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M REALLY PUSHING IS HOMES FOR OUR POLICE OFFICERS, HOMES FOR OUR EDUCATORS, HOMES FOR OUR FIREMEN PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT SERVE. THAT SERVE IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT NOT ABLE TO LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE THE PRICES ARE JUST EXTREMELY HIGH. I CALL IT PREDATORY BUILDING WHERE WE'RE JUST BUILDING BIG HOMES, BUT WE'RE NOT REALLY PROVIDING RESOURCES. AND I DON'T THINK EVERY HOME SHOULD COST 500 OR $600,000. SO I WANT HOMES THAT TAKES CARE OF OUR EDUCATORS. I WANT HOMES THAT TAKE CARE OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS. I WANT HOMES THAT TAKE CARE OF OUR NURSES. I WANT HOMES TO TAKE CARE OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS. AND I WANT THAT TO BE IN DISTRICT FOUR, WHERE THEY CAN LIVE WHERE THEY SERVE. BUT IS THAT A GREAT PRICE? WHEN I SAY AFFORDABLE, I DON'T MEAN LOW INCOME. I MEAN SOMETHING THAT'S AFFORDABLE WHERE IT CAN, IT ACCOMMODATES WHERE THEY ARE. AND SO HOW CAN WE GET THAT? YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT. A COUPLE THINGS. WE, WE INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENTS THAT PROVIDE HOMEOWNERSHIP. SO WHEN THE CITY INVESTS IN A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT FOR HOME OWNERSHIP, IT IS INCOME RESTRICTED, BUT AFFORDABLE OR ATTAINABLE. HOUSING IS FOR HOMEOWNERS IS TYPICALLY A 60% TO 100% AMI HOME BUYER. SO THESE ARE NOT VERY LOW INCOME FOLKS. THESE ARE THE THE FOLKS THAT ARE ACTUALLY HIGHLIGHTED IN HER RESEARCH IN TERMS OF THE PEOPLE THAT CURRENTLY WORK HERE. ONE OF OUR DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS IS TARGETED TO FIRST RESPONDERS, TO POLICE AND FIRE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE. AND THAT PROGRAM GOES UP TO 120% AMI. IT'S TRADITIONALLY FUNDED THROUGH NONFEDERAL SOURCES OF INCOME. AND SO ANY, ANY FIREFIGHTER, POLICE OFFICER, FIRST RESPONDER THAT WANTS TO CALL DALLAS HOME, WE CAN CONNECT THEM WITH SOME OF THE RESOURCES WE HAVE AVAILABLE FOR DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE THAT USUALLY IS LINKED UP. THEN TO EITHER THEY FOUND A HOME ON THE MARKET THAT THEY CAN AFFORD. BECAUSE THAT EQUATION HAS TO MAKE SENSE. IT STILL CAN'T BE MORE THAN 35% OF THEIR INCOME ON THE FRONT END. OTHERWISE, THEY'LL START TO HAVE THAT HOUSING COST BURDEN TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE PROGRAMS. BUT AS WE PUT OUT CALLS TO THE DEVELOPMENT WORLD AND YOU HEAR THAT TODAY, AND A BIG FUNDER WHO'S LOOKING FOR DEVELOPMENT TO TO INVEST IN AS PART OF THE MARKETING PLAN, WHO THEY, WHO THEY'RE GOING TO MARKET TO THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROFESSIONS TO CALL CERTAIN DISTRICTS HOME. AND HOW DO WE MAKE AN EFFORT TO, TO SEE THAT BECOME A REALITY? OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT PROGRAM AND KNOW THAT PROGRAM A LITTLE BIT MORE SO WE CAN BRING THAT. SO PLEASE WORK WITH MY OFFICE WITH THAT. AND I KNOW I'LL GET WITH MR. ARMSTRONG AS WELL. I'M BIG ON RIGHT NOW DENSITY BECAUSE WE NEED MORE DENSITY IN OUR. I LOVE WHAT CHAIR WEST HAS DONE IN DISTRICT ONE, AND SO I'M TRYING TO GET SOME OF THE SAME THINGS DONE. HOW DOES THE PFC AND THE HFC WORK TO GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF IN OUR DISTRICT FOR DENSITY? YES. AND, AND FOR HOMES AS A, AS A WHOLE. YEAH. SO BOTH THE PFC AND HFC, I MEAN, THEY'RE DEVELOPING MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURES. AND SO THAT COMES WITH SOME LEVEL OF DENSITY ALREADY IN TERMS OF THE USE OF REVENUE THAT THEY CAN INVEST IN THEIR PROJECTS OR OTHER PROJECTS. THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT OTHER DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT HAVE SOME FORM OF DENSITY AS WELL. I THINK THAT ALSO TIES BACK INTO OUR LAND USE PLAN OF FORWARD DALLAS AND UNDERSTANDING THE OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH LAND USE VISIONS AND WHERE THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR DENSITY TOGETHER. AND I THINK THIS IS WHAT ZAHRA WAS SAYING COUNCILMAN. ZAHRA GRACEY WAS SAYING WHAT I TOOK FROM HIM. I NEED MORE THAN JUST GAS STATIONS BEING BUILT IN MY DISTRICT AND THINGS THAT CREATE CRIME, BLIGHT, PROSTITUTION, AND MORE DRUGS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. AND WHEN I SEE THAT HAPPENING, IT'S FRUSTRATING BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY SAID THAT'S NOT WHAT WE NEED. WE NEED REAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT BRINGS GROWTH, THAT BRINGS CHANGE, AND THAT ALLOWS THESE KIND OF HOUSING TO COME INTO OUR DISTRICT. CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THAT PART? PART OF OUR WORK HERE IN THE OFFICE OF HOUSING COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT IS TO FOCUS ON THE HOUSING PROGRAM SPECIFICALLY AND THE PROGRAMS. BUT PART OF OUR MULTI-DEPARTMENT STRATEGY, WORKING WITH THE OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND UNDERSTANDING THOSE INVESTMENTS FOR ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. HOUSING HAS TO FOLLOW. SO WHEN WE RECRUIT BUSINESSES TO THE CITY OF DALLAS, THEY OFTEN COME WITH A WORKFORCE WHO NEED A PLACE THAT WE WANT THEM TO CALL DALLAS HOME. WE DON'T WANT THEM LIVING IN OUR NEIGHBORING SUBURBS AND COMMUTING INTO TOWN. WE WANT TO PROVIDE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES. SO AS OUR DEPARTMENTS COME TOGETHER AND WORK TO FULFILL THOSE VISIONS, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE AIMING TO DO. GREAT. I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. I WANT TO START BY THANKING THE CITY MANAGER FOR PUTTING THIS ON A WHOLE COUNCIL BRIEFING. I KNOW I ASKED, I THINK, TWICE. AT THIS HORSESHOE BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW MEMBERS BOTH TO THE COUNCIL BUT ALSO TO THE HOUSING COMMITTEE. AND WHAT WAS HAPPENING IS THERE WERE SOME VERY DIFFERENT POLICY IDEAS BEING EXPRESSED THAT I DIDN'T THINK THE REST OF THE COUNCIL UNDERSTOOD. [03:35:04] THE CHANGE THAT HAD HAPPENED, AND ALSO WITH THE ROBUST PRESENTATION FROM THE VARIOUS PARTNERS, MANY OF YOU HAVE NOT PRESENTED IN FRONT OF SOME OF THE COUNCIL BEFORE. SO I ACTUALLY PULLED MYSELF OUT OF QUEUE A COUPLE OF TIMES SO THAT NEWER PEOPLE COULD TALK FIRST AND, AND SHARE THEIR QUESTIONS AND IDEAS. SO THAT'S FIRST. BUT IF I CAN JUST JUMP INTO QUESTIONS, THERE ARE A WIDE VARIETY OF THINGS THAT ARE COVERED. AND SO I DO THINK IT WILL BE A LITTLE SCATTERED, BUT I'M WONDERING IF YOU COULD DESCRIBE THE HOUSING UNIT PRODUCTION IN DALLAS. WOULD YOU SAY IT'S VERY ROBUST? WOULD YOU SAY IT'S BEEN SLOW? I THINK THERE'S MULTIPLE MESSAGES COMING OUT ABOUT THAT. DO YOU WANT TO. I'LL I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU. I WAS KIND OF THINKING COLIN MIGHT DO IT. SURE. WELL, IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY, IS IT ROBUST? IS IT IS IT WEAK? IS IT IN BETWEEN? WE HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY SAY RELATIVE TO WHAT RIGHT. THE NATION. YEAH. SO I AGREE WITH YOU. SO IF WE IF WE LOOK. AND THEN OF COURSE, RELATIVE TO ITSELF OVER TIME TOO. SO LET'S DO WHAT YOU SAID RELATIVE TO THE NATION. THREE OF MY SLIDES SPOKE TO THIS. FOR TWO DIFFERENT TIME PERIODS. AND THEN WE CAN TRY TO SPEAK TO MUCH MORE RECENT TO THE DEGREE WE HAVE THE DATA, WHICH ISN'T ALWAYS SO GREAT. SO FOR THE NATION AS A WHOLE, I THINK THAT WE, WE NEED TO FIRST OF ALL RECOGNIZE THAT DALLAS, THE DALLAS FORT WORTH AREA IS PART OF, IT'S WHERE ONE OF A NUMBER OF KIND OF BIG SUNBELT METROPOLITAN AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN IN GREAT DEMAND. WE ALL KNOW PEOPLE HAVE BEEN MOVING IN NO SHORTAGE OF PLACES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN NET MOVING OUT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. ON THE WHOLE, THEY'RE CHEAPER THAN HERE. THERE'S A FEW CASES LIKE CALIFORNIA, THEY'RE MOVING OUT, BUT THE PRICES ARE CRAZY. AND THE AMOUNT OF HOUSING PRODUCTION IS REMOTELY SMALL. SO WHY DO I SAY ALL THAT? I ONLY COMPARED US TO THE HIGH GROWTH SUNBELT CITIES AND METROPOLITAN AREAS BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE THAT'S THE TRUE COMPARISON. OUR HOUSING PRODUCTION LOOKS REALLY, REALLY GOOD COMPARED TO LOS ANGELES OR SAN FRANCISCO. BOSTON, NEW YORK, RELATIVE TO THE SIZE OF THE POPULATION, WE LOOK GREAT. BUT A NUMBER OF THOSE PLACES HAVE BEEN LOSING POPULATION. WE LOOK REALLY GOOD COMPARED TO MOST OF THE RUST BELT, IF YOU WILL. RELATIVE TO THE HIGH GROWTH SUNBELT, THOUGH, WE LOOK LIKE IN RECENT YEARS, A BIT OF AN UNDERPERFORMER IN THE, IN THE MARKET RATE SEGMENT AND IN THE INCOME RESTRICTED PIECE OFF THE CHARTS AT THE BOTTOM. BUT IN THE MARKET RATE SEGMENT, WHICH IS THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE MARKET, SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY, WE LOOK YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT, SOMEWHAT BELOW AVERAGE. SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE WOULD BE RELATIVE TO WHAT I THINK IS THE TRUE PEER GROUP. THE, THE AUSTIN, HOUSTON, SAN ANTONIO, CHARLOTTE'S, ATLANTA'S, ETC.. RELATIVE TO OUR OWN PAST. ONE THING MY DATA SHOWED IN THE SLIDES THAT I PRESENTED IS THAT WE HAD IN AMERICA AND CERTAINLY IN ALL OF THESE SUNBELT PLACES, GENERALLY SPEAKING THE PRODUCTION GOT BETTER AND BETTER AS THE 2000 TEENS WENT ON. RIGHT? WE CAME OUT OF THE 2008 FINANCIAL CRISIS. HOME PRODUCTION WAS EXCEEDINGLY LOW ALL OVER AMERICA, INCLUDING HERE. AND THEN WE HAD WE SPENT THE WHOLE DECADE RECOVERING. WE GOT TO KIND OF HIGHS AS WE CAME OUT OF COVID, AND THEN WE RECEDED SOMEWHAT. SO THAT'S BEEN THE NATIONAL STORY. DALLAS HAS REPLICATED THAT STORY, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE AS, AS GOOD A A BOOM IN THE LATE TEENS AS SOME, SOME OTHER PLACES DID. SOME. YOU CAN SEE THAT THE THE CHANGE FROM EARLY IN THE DECADE TO LATE IN THE DECADE IN THE EARLY 20S WAS ENORMOUS. OURS WAS LESS PRONOUNCED. SO I THINK THAT THE. THE REASONABLE INFERENCE IS THAT SOMEHOW IN THE LATE TEENS AND THE THE 20S, WE WENT FROM BEING A REALLY, REALLY GOOD PLACE TO BUILD NEW HOUSING TO SOMEHOW WE BECAME SOMEWHAT LESS OF ONE. ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THOUGH, WE'RE SEEING HEADLINES THAT POINT TO DALLAS IN THE METROPLEX AS BEING A TOP PRODUCER OF HOUSING. CORRECT. INCLUDING IN MY OWN REPORT. BUT BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE. I'M SORRY IF I INTERRUPTED YOU. WELL, I MEAN, I JUST THINK THAT'S A FACT. YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU 100%. SELECT JUST SUN BELT OR JUST ANYTHING I WANT TO SAY. WELL, LET'S TAKE THE TOTALITY OF THE DATA. BUT LET ME LET ME ASK YOU THIS. TALK TO ME ABOUT AVAILABILITY AND VACANCY. I THINK WE ALSO HAVE EXTREMELY ROBUST VACANCY IN DALLAS. IS THAT TRUE? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE STAND OUT RELATIVE TO OTHER CORE CITIES TO I CAN'T, I CAN'T I DON'T IMMEDIATELY HAVE DATA ON THAT. THE VACANT. YES, SURE. WE HAVE VACANCY IN A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND SO DO SO DOES EVERY OTHER BIG CITY, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE COMPARATIVE. SO REALTOR.COM SAYS WE HAVE 8.9% VACANCY. YEAH, THAT THAT WOULDN'T SHOCK ME. AND IT WOULDN'T SHOCK ME IF WE HAD SIMILAR IF WE SAW SIMILAR NUMBERS IN OTHER BIG CITIES. [03:40:02] AND THEN WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING POPULATION GROWTH, BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP A NUMBER OF TIMES, DO YOU THINK OF DALLAS AS HAVING HAD ROBUST POPULATION GROWTH? I THINK THAT WE ABSOLUTELY MUST MAKE A LARGE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE METROPOLITAN AREA AND THE CITY. THE METROPOLITAN AREA. GOSH, 2010 TO 2025, I KNOW ALL OF YOU ALL WILL KNOW THIS, BUT IN ABSOLUTE NUMBERS HAD THE SINGLE GREATEST GROWTH OF ANY OF AMERICA'S 387 METROPOLITAN AREAS. WE'RE ON TRACK TO PASS CHICAGO. YOU ALL KNOW THESE STORIES, I'M SURE. THE GROWTH RATE CONTINUED TO BE EXTRAORDINARILY HIGH INTO COLLIN COUNTY AS RECENT IN DENTON AS WELL KAUFMAN AS RECENTLY AS JUST ALL THROUGH LAST YEAR BASED ON NEW CENSUS DATA. BUT THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS BEEN SORT OF FLAT IN POPULATION TERMS FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW. AND AND I THINK LOOKING AT THE DATA ON THE MOST RECENT DATA BEING DALLAS COUNTY WOULD SUGGEST PROBABLY THE MOST RECENT DATA IS A LITTLE BIT OF SHRINKAGE PERHAPS. SO. SO FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, WE HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN GROWING IN THE CITY. SO IF WE'VE ADDED ALL OF THESE UNITS AND WE HAVE VACANCY AND WE'RE NOT ADDING POPULATION, WHY DO YOU THINK WE'RE CALLING IT A HOUSING CRISIS? I THINK THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT VACANCY, I WOULDN'T WANT TO DRAW INFERENCES FROM THAT WITHOUT LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT UP NEIGHBORHOODS BEING VERY NEIGHBORHOOD AND LOCATION SPECIFIC. I DON'T HAVE FACTS ON THE VACANCY DOWN AT THE LEVEL OF MANY, MANY NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT I THINK WE WOULD FIND WIDE DISPARITIES FROM SOME VERSUS FOR SOME VERSUS OTHERS. I THINK WE'D FIND NO SHORTAGE OF PLACES WHERE THE VACANCY IS EXCEEDINGLY LOW. SO I GUESS ONE THING YOU CAN SAY ABOUT VACANCY IS IN A HEALTHY HOUSING MARKET, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOME SLACK BECAUSE PEOPLE COME, PEOPLE GO, THEY MOVE ABOUT. THERE'S THE BRAND NEW HOMES THAT HAVEN'T SOLD YET. THERE'S ALWAYS THERE SHOULD BE SOME SLACK. SO I GUESS WHAT I WOULD SAY IS I'D WANT TO LOOK AT WHERE VACANCY HAS BEEN RELATIVE TO ITS HISTORY OVER TIME. AND JUST, AND LOOK AT PRICE. LOOK, I'D WANT TO LOOK AT WHERE HOME PRICES AND RENTS ARE NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD RELATIVE TO THEIR OWN HISTORY. AND WELL, THEY'RE A LOT HIGHER THAN THEY USED TO BE. WELL, AROUND HERE WE DO A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD. WE JUST CALL IT DISTRICTS. AND YOU'VE HEARD VARIOUS PEOPLE ALREADY TALK ABOUT, WELL, WHAT ABOUT IN MY DISTRICT? WHAT ABOUT THAT? AND THIS IS THE PROBLEM, FRANKLY, WITH OUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT. 14 ONE BECAUSE WHAT WE CONTINUE TO DO IS PROVIDE EXEMPTIONS FOR TAXES BECAUSE, OH, WE GOT TO GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING HERE. BUT ACTUALLY ONE DISTRICT OVER THERE IS AVAILABLE HOUSING. IT'S VACANT AND IT'S LESS EXPENSIVE THAN THE. SUBSIDIZED RENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE. AND WE HAVE DONE THAT. WE HAVE PROVIDED PEMFCS THAT HAVE SPENT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO PURCHASE THE APARTMENT, GIVING IT A MASSIVE TAX ABATEMENT FOR AN ALREADY LEASED OUT PROPERTY, REDUCE THEIR RENT TO MORE THAN WHAT IS COMPLETELY AVAILABLE. ONE DISTRICT OVER AND WE KEEP DOING THAT. AND THAT'S TERRIBLE FISCAL POLICY AND IT'S TERRIBLE HOUSING POLICY. SO THIS THIS FORMAT LENDS US TO MAKE DECISIONS, I THINK, THAT ARE NOT WISE FOR OUR CITY. NOW I APPRECIATE CATHY STEWART, DISTRICT TEN AND HER PREDECESSOR. WE REPEATEDLY HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DISTRICT 12 AND DISTRICT TEN, WHICH ARE VERY SIMILAR. THOR, YOU CALLED OUT I'M SORRY, CHILD POVERTY ACTION LAB CALLED OUT THE EVICTION RATE FOR DISTRICT 12. AND MY NEIGHBOR SAYS, WOW, HOW COME YOU'RE PUSHING ALL THE PEOPLE OUT? WE'RE NOT. WE JUST HAVE SO MANY APARTMENTS AND THE APARTMENTS TO THE POINT OF THE DEMOGRAPHIC STUDY AFTER. IT'S THE POPULATION ARE MOSTLY SERVICE WORKERS. THEY'RE BARELY MAKING IT. AND SO ONE ISSUE, WHETHER THE RESTAURANT GOES OUT OF BUSINESS, WHETHER THE CALL CENTER IS NO LONGER OPERATING, THEY'RE IN TROUBLE. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ALL THROUGH DIFFERENT WAYS EVEN, YOU KNOW, ASKED FOR HELP ON NEXT DOOR. I MEAN, LIKE IT'S THROUGHOUT, BUT YET AT THIS HORSESHOE, WHAT DO WE DO? WE CONTINUE TO BAIT NORTH VERSUS SOUTH. WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THIS AS IF EVERYTHING IS NOT A CHALLENGE IN EVERY PART OF THE DISTRICT, IT'S JUST DIFFERENT CHALLENGES. AND SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT UNITS, IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT THING TO DO. AND WE GET VERY CAUGHT UP IN WELL, WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT ONLY DEED RESTRICTED OR WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT ONLY THE ONES THAT ARE DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY OR ONLY THE ONES THAT WE HAVE THIS. WELL, THAT'S REALLY NOT FAIR BECAUSE WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE MARKET EVEN BEYOND DALLAS WOULD YOU SAY THAT DALLAS HAS THE MAJORITY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE METROPLEX? [03:45:02] THE CITY OF DALLAS, A MAJORITY DEPENDS HOW WE DEFINE AFFORDABLE. DO YOU MEAN INCOME RESTRICTED? NO. JUST MARKET RATE AVAILABLE OR INCOME RESTRICTED. IF YOU NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE METROPLEX, WHO HAS THE MOST. WHO. THAT'S A TRICKY QUESTION. I THINK THAT IF WE WERE. IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE. NOT CAPITAL A, BUT JUST AFFORDABLE MEANING LIKE INCLUDING WHAT IS TYPICALLY CALLED WORKFORCE THAT MIDDLE INCOME PEOPLE AROUND THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME COULD AFFORD. WE'LL JUST SAY 75% AREA MEDIAN INCOME WOULD BE $1,500 OR LESS. WHERE CAN YOU FIND APARTMENTS FOR $1,500 OR LESS? OH, WELL, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE SPREAD ALL OVER THE EASTERN HALF OF THE METROPLEX. THERE'S BEEN THE COLLIN COUNTY IS PRETTY LARGE NOW AT YOU KNOW, 1.2 APPROACHING 1.3 MILLION PEOPLE. SO THERE WOULD BE A WHOLE LOT OF. SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE SAYING IS A MAJORITY IN THE CITY OF DALLAS LIKELY KNOW JUST BECAUSE OF THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE HOUSING STOCK AND THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE POPULATION. SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO RESEARCH THAT. THANK YOU. SURE. ABSOLUTELY. YOU HAVE MORE ROUNDS COMING. IT SOUNDS LIKE AN INTERESTING LINE OF QUESTIONING THERE. MISS, COULD YOU RECOGNIZE FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AS I'M LOOKING AT THIS PRESENTATION, I SEE SOME OF THE THINGS I GUESS I'VE REALIZED IN OUR DISTRICT. SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT STOOD OUT TO ME ON PAGE 84 OF THE LITTLE BOOK, IT SAYS DISTRICT SIX RELIES THE MOST GROWTH IN MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME FROM 2013 TO 2023. ON PAGE 71, IT SAYS DISTRICT TWO AND SIX ACCOUNTED FOR 49% OF ALL NEW MARKET RATE UNITS. SO THIS IS SHOWING ME A PATTERN OF OF GENTRIFICATION OF WHAT WE'VE KNOWN IS HAPPENING IN WEST DALLAS. ON PAGE 36, IT SAYS COUNCIL DISTRICTS ONE, SIX, NINE, TEN AND 11 AND 12 HAVE EACH LOST 50% OR MORE OF THEIR INVENTORY OF UNITS RENTING FOR LESS THAN $1,000. BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY SAY WHY IS. IS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT WHY WHAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IN PARTICULAR, THE LOW RENT LOSS. THIS. THE DATA ON PAGE 37. I SHOULD MAKE NOTE THAT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THE UNIT WAS PHYSICALLY LOST. IT MEANS THAT THE UNIT WAS ONCE RENTING FOR LESS THAN $1,000 AND NOW IS RENTING FOR MORE THAN $1,000. THAT'S ONE OPTION. OR MAYBE IT WAS PHYSICALLY LOST. MAYBE IT WAS DEMOLISHED AND SOMETHING ELSE WENT UP IN ITS PLACE. SO IN, IN TERMS OF WHY THAT'S A REALLY COMPLEX QUESTION TO ANSWER THAT WE DON'T TACKLE IN THE REPORT, BUT YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, WE'VE HAD A REALLY HOT RENTAL MARKET. IT IS COOLED IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT LOTS OF ACTIVITY, LOTS OF DEMAND. AND SO WE'VE SEEN LOTS OF THOSE ACQUISITIONS AND REHABS OR TEARDOWNS OF THAT, THAT OLDER HOUSING STOCK THAT HAD BEEN MORE AFFORDABLE. OKAY. AND COUNCILWOMAN, IF I MAY, THE UNITS THAT THEY'RE SHOWING COMING ONLINE IN 2024 ARE THE RESULT OF PAST APPROVALS FROM ZONING CHANGES TO ANYTHING THAT WE MIGHT HAVE INCENTIVIZED. SOME OF THESE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS MIGHT TAKE 1 TO 7 YEARS TO PUT THE WHOLE THING TOGETHER. THESE ARE COMPLETED UNITS THAT CAME ONLINE WITHIN THAT FISCAL YEAR. SO IT'S A RESULT OF THE LAST HALF A DECADE'S WORTH OF WORK IN ORDER TO SEE THEM FINALLY BE OPEN. YEAH. I MEAN, OUR DISTRICT HAS BEEN VERY VOCAL. I THINK I KNOW NORTHWEST DALLAS LIKE THEY'VE WANTED HOUSING STOCK COME IN AND AN AREA THAT WAS A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL IN WEST DALLAS. IT'S MOSTLY BEEN TO THE SOUTH OF SINGLETON WHERE WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY GOING IN ALONG STEMMONS. WE'RE JUST BEGINNING TO SEE CONVERSION OF OFFICE SPACE WHICH IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT WE'RE HAVING. BUT ONE THING I WAS WONDERING THAT I DON'T SEE IN HERE IS HAVE WE LOOKED AT AFFORDABLE HOUSING PRESERVATION PLANS? FOR LIKE REHAB AND ACQUISITION, BECAUSE I KNOW IN NORTHWEST DALLAS, WE HAVE A LOT OF OLDER APARTMENT HOUSE STOCK. AND THEN ALSO IN WEST DALLAS, THERE'S RESIDENTIAL AS WELL. SO HAVE WE. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? ABSOLUTELY. AND ONE OF THE FOUNDATIONAL PILLARS OF BOTH DALLAS HOUSING POLICY 33 AND DALLAS HOME IS PRESERVATION. AND WE SEE THAT IN A COUPLE OF WAYS. OUR HFC IS A GOOD VEHICLE FOR THAT, ESPECIALLY THE DEED RESTRICTED PROPERTIES THAT ARE EXPIRING. DIFFERENT CHALLENGES, DIFFERENT DISTRICTS, SAME ISSUE IN TERMS OF HOW DO WE HOW DO THOSE PROPERTY MANAGERS GET APPROACHED TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS? THE OTHER THING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IS THE NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE ONES THAT DON'T HAVE A DEED RESTRICTION. THERE'S NO INCOME RESTRICTIONS ON THEM. BUT [03:50:03] HOW DO WE REACH OUT TO THE OWNERS TO TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO FOR THAT? IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER? SO IT ALL COMES TOGETHER IN TERMS OF WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? WE SEE THAT OFTEN. AND I WOULD JUST ADD, I THINK THIS, THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT PRESERVATION IS AN IMPORTANT ONE. A LIMITATION OF THE RENTAL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT IS THAT IT DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE QUALITY OF THE UNIT I MENTIONED AT THE TOP OF MY PRESENTATION. THAT QUALITY OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT OF A HOME IS CRITICAL TO THE HEALTH AND WELL-BEING OF RESIDENTS. AND WE KNOW JUST FROM BEING OUT IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THERE ARE SOME PROPERTIES THAT ARE AFFORDABLE, BUT THE QUALITY OF THE UNIT IS VERY POOR AND IN NEED OF REMEDIATION. AND SO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT PRESERVATION, BOTH FROM AN AFFORDABILITY PERSPECTIVE, HOW DO WE PRESERVE AFFORDABLE UNITS AND ALSO FROM A HEALTH AND HABITABILITY PERSPECTIVE, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PRESERVING A GOOD, DECENT STANDARD OF LIVING FOR OUR RESIDENTS? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT PART OF THE CONVERSATION. I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS THAT HAS COME UP A LOT IN DISTRICT SIX AND THAT OUR, THAT CONCERN OUR RESIDENTS. RIGHT. MY OTHER QUESTION IS, I SEEM TO RECALL, I THINK IT WAS IN THE 2024 BOND THAT WE PUT ASIDE MONEY FOR ASSISTING WITH LIKE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR PROJECTS. IS THAT THROUGH HOUSING OR IS THAT THROUGH ECO DEV? AND WHERE ARE WE ON THAT? YEAH. THANK YOU. SO THERE WAS A HOUSING SPECIFIC BOND FOR THE FOR THE FIRST TIME, THE PREVIOUS BONDS LUMPED. YOU KNOW, HOUSING AND ECONOMIC ACTIVITY TOGETHER BECAUSE HOUSING IS OFTEN CONSIDERED AN ECONOMIC ACTIVITY. SOME OF THE FIRST YEARS BOND AVAILABLE HAS ALREADY BEEN COMMITTED TO PROJECTS THROUGH THROUGH PAST. AND WE'LL HAVE UPCOMING BRIEFINGS ON THAT. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ALONG WITH US, THERE'S ONE CENTRAL APPLICATION FOR FOR CITY INCENTIVES. SO ECO WILL MANAGE THE NONFEDERAL FUNDS AND HOUSING AND COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT WILL MANAGE THE FEDERAL FUNDS JUST DUE TO OUR COMPLIANCE FEATURES, BUT WE WORK IN COLLABORATION TOGETHER TO, TO VET AND REVIEW ALL PROJECTS SEEKING CITY INCENTIVES TO ALIGN WITH THE EXISTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND HOUSING POLICIES AS THEY EXIST. AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE FOR I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS I HEAR A LOT BECAUSE WEST ALLIS WAS ANNEXED, I BELIEVE, LIKE IN THE IT WAS VERY LATE AND LIKE THE 80S. IS THAT LIKE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS EITHER NONEXISTENT IN SOME AREAS OR IT'S VERY OLD SPECIFICALLY FOR RESIDENTIAL. SO DOES THAT PROGRAM ALSO INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL OR IS IT JUST MULTIFAMILY? SO MULTIFAMILY IS A TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL WE INCENTIVIZE ALL TYPES OF HOUSING TYPOLOGIES, WHETHER IT'S SINGLE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY, WHETHER IT'S OWNERSHIP OR RENTAL. MOST OF THE TIME, THE LOTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO DEVELOP AT AN AFFORDABLE PRICE POINT BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO SAVE COSTS, SOME OF THAT LAND MIGHT HAVE OTHER CHALLENGES, LIKE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS. SOME OF THE PREVIOUS AREAS MIGHT HAVE BEEN ZONED SINGLE FAMILY, BUT NOW THERE'S A MORE DENSE OPTION PROPOSED. BUT THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE CANNOT HANDLE THE ADDITIONAL UNITS WITHOUT UPGRADES. AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT THAT PROJECT NEEDS IN ORDER TO FULFILL THE GAP FUNDING TO IT, TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO OFFER THE UNRESTRICTED RENTAL UNITS OR HOMEOWNERSHIP UNITS FOR SALE TO AN INCOME QUALIFIED BUYER. WE INVEST IN THE INFRASTRUCTURAL PIECES OF THAT DEVELOPMENT. YEAH, I THINK I'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF CASES WHERE IT WAS JUST LIKE ONE HOME WITHIN A BLOCK, AND THEN THEY HAD TO UPGRADE. AND THAT ALWAYS RAISES THE COST SIGNIFICANTLY. IT DOES. MY LAST QUESTION IS, IS, HAS THE AVERAGE SIZE OF RENTAL UNITS CHANGED IN THE CITY AT ALL? HAVE WE SEEN THEM GET SMALLER OR. I DON'T KNOW. I WILL SAY THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, BASED ON FAMILY COMPOSITION, WE LACK THREE AND FOUR BEDROOM APARTMENTS AS A WHOLE. YOU KNOW, SOME FAMILIES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, NEED TO RENT BECAUSE OF INCOME IN THAT WHOLE HOUSEHOLD WILL OFTEN FIND THEMSELVES ONLY GETTING A 1 OR 2 BEDROOM. AND SO THE, THE KIDS ARE DOUBLED UP. THERE'S OTHER ISSUES. SOMETIMES THERE'S MULTIPLE FAMILIES THAT LIVE IN ONE APARTMENT, AND THEY'RE NOT LARGE ENOUGH TO HAVE EVERYBODY HAVE THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL SPACE. IT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES OF, YOU KNOW, THAT WE SEE IN TERMS OF NEEDING MORE AFFORDABLE UNITS FOR THE LOWER INCOME IS THAT PEOPLE ARE DOUBLED UP, THEY LIVE AT HOME LONGER. THEY THEY LIVE IN SUBSTANDARD CONDITIONS. AND SO HELPING US UNDERSTAND CONDITION, AVAILABLE UNITS, FAMILY SIZE AND COMPOSITION YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT ARE OF AGE TO HAVE THEIR OWN HOUSEHOLD COMPOSITION, BUT CANNOT DUE TO ALL OF THE COMPOUNDING ISSUES IS WHAT WE LOOK AT. YEAH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I, I HOPE THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO MORE WORK IN HELPING TO HELPING OUR FAMILIES THAT ARE ALREADY LIVING IN SOME OF THE AREAS, ESPECIALLY IN MY BLACKMON AREA, WEST DALLAS. I KNOW THAT AT LEAST PRESERVING AND HELPING THEM STAY IN THEIR HOMES ALSO HELPS WITH SOME OF THE, THE, THE DEMOGRAPHICS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. IT'S NOT JUST BRINGING IN ON NEW UNITS AS WELL. [03:55:05] SO THANKS SO MUCH. MAYOR PRO TEM RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU MAYOR. I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY PRIORITIES. AND I THINK HOUSING KNOWS THIS. IT'S A HOUSING PRESERVATION. I THINK IT'S KEY BOTH FOR. RENTERS AND HOMEOWNERS AND SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY. PRESERVING THE NATURAL AFFORDABILITY THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE, I THINK, IS PARAMOUNT. WE KEEP PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITIES THAT THEY WERE RAISED. WE KEEP PEOPLE CLOSE TO THE JOBS THAT THEY'RE WORKING AT. AND WHILE I TRULY UNDERSTAND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE QUALITY WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE BALANCE THAT AND THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IN A AFFORDABLE UNIT THAT THERE'S NO CODE VIOLATIONS. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERYONE HAS TO HAVE GRANITE COUNTERTOPS AND RESORT RESORT STYLE POOLS. SO BALANCING THAT ACT IN HOME PRESERVATION IS SO IMPORTANT TO ME. I THINK THE BIGGEST OPPORTUNITY BEFORE US IS THAT FAITH BASED HOUSING THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE POSSIBLY ZONING ON OUR END. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WE AS A BODY ARE OPEN TO DOING ZONING IN AREAS THAT HAVE THE AVAILABLE LAND. I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT. THE MARKET RATE IN, IN DISTRICT TWO IN PARTICULAR, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW THIS DISTRICT AND DISTRICT SIX HAS SEEN THE BIGGEST INFLUX IN HOUSING AVAILABILITY FOR MARKET RATE. AND SO I SEE THAT TWO WAYS. THAT MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO BE OPEN TO PROJECTS THAT YIELD NEW AFFORDABLE UNITS. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, TO ME, THAT MEANS THAT WE'VE DISPLACED A LOT OF AFFORDABLE UNITS AND BROUGHT IN MARKET RATE UNITS. SO WE GOT TO KEEP THAT BALANCE. WE GOT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TAKING CARE OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT DISTRICT CURRENTLY. NOT NECESSARILY OPENING IT UP TO NEW MARKET RATE DWELLERS WHO MIGHT NOT BE PART OF THAT COMMUNITY TODAY. SO, SO THOSE ARE SOME OF MY PRIORITIES THERE. I WANT TO TALK NOW ABOUT STREET TO HOME AND CONGRATULATE STREET TO HOME ON THEIR SUCCESS OF REDUCING ABOUT 87% REDUCTION IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. THERE'S STILL AREAS THOUGH ALONG THE GOOD LATIMER AND CANTON AREA THAT ARE A BIG CONCERN FOR ME IN MY COMMUNITY. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ADDRESSING THE AREAS AROUND GOOD. LATIMER AND CANTON. NOW, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE SEEING THOSE INCREASES IN GETTING PEOPLE HOUSED. SO THAT'S WORKING. BUT WHAT I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT IS WE'RE SEEING A MEASURABLE PROGRESS IN THE HOUSING FOLKS. CORRECT. BUT THE UNREGULATED STREET FEEDING CONTINUES TO GROW AND APPEARS TO BE IN CONFLICT WITH THE COORDINATED EFFORTS THROUGH OUR HOUSING PARTNERS AND OTHERS. AND SO, SARAH, FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE IS UNREGULATED STREET FEEDING AN ISSUE WITH THE GOALS THAT YOUR TEAM HAS PUT FORWARD? OH, I'LL LET SARAH GO AHEAD AND START AND THEN I MAY ADD SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. THANK YOU SIR. YEAH. I MEAN, JUST TO REMIND THE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, A GROUP OF CIVIC, BUSINESS AND NONPROFIT AND PUBLIC LEADERS ALL CAME TOGETHER UNDER THE SAFE AND THE CITY COALITION TO DEPLOY THE OPERATION IN DOWNTOWN IN JULY OF 2024. AND THAT WAS A VERY ROBUST STRATEGY TO BOTH ADDRESS STREET HOMELESSNESS AND BUILD A THRIVING AND VIBRANT DALLAS. AND WE ACHIEVED UNBELIEVABLE RESULTS WITH THROUGH AN INCREDIBLE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS AND DOWNTOWN DALLAS, INC. WHICH HAS RESULTED IN SOME OF THE OUTCOMES THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING. STREET FEEDING, UNSANCTIONED STREET FEEDING IS UNDERMINING BOTH OF THOSE THINGS BECAUSE IT'S INHIBITING OUR ABILITY. IT INHIBITS OUR ABILITY TO REALLY DRIVE PEOPLE INSIDE, WHICH IS WHERE PEOPLE SHOULD BE GETTING THE CARE AND THE SUPPORT THAT THEY NEED TO EXIT HOMELESSNESS. AND IT'S RESULTING IN TRAFFIC CHALLENGES. TRASH THAT THEN IS THAT DI HAS TO MAKE SURE IS IS CLEANED UP AFTER THOSE FEEDINGS HAS HAPPENED. SO AGAIN, IF OUR GOAL IS TO ADDRESS STREET HOMELESSNESS AND TO BUILD A THRIVING AND VIBRANT DOWNTOWN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ABSOLUTELY IS RUNNING COUNTER TO THE OPERATION THAT WE'VE DEPLOYED THERE AND THE RESOURCES THAT WE'VE DEPLOYED. AND WE OBVIOUSLY SUPPORT THE CITY IN ANY TOOLS THAT WE NEED TO LEVERAGE TO ADDRESS THAT. [04:00:02] IF I COULD JUST, IF I COULD JUST ADD ADDITIONALLY TO THAT. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH, SARAH. MAYOR PRO TEM WE, WE ALSO KNOW THAT OFTENTIMES THE PEOPLE THAT EITHER COME TO SUPPORT AND PROVIDE THE FOOD AND THOSE THAT ARE COMING TO RECEIVE IT ARE NOT NECESSARILY THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE EVEN IN OUR SYSTEM THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH. THEY'RE COMING IN FROM OTHER PLACES. AFTER THE STREET FEEDING EVENTS, SOMETIMES THEY LINGER AND THEN SOMETIMES THEY GO BACK FROM WHEREVER THEY'VE COME. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DEFINITELY TRYING TO DO IN COORDINATION WITH OUR OTHER DOWNTOWN PARTNERS, IS THE CONTINUATION OF THE PUSH TO HAVE THE STREET FEEDING. SUPPORTERS TO DO IT IN A MORE CENTRALIZED STRATEGY. AND I THINK WE'VE JUST GOT TO CONTINUE AS YOU KNOW, WE STARTED TALKING TO OUR FAITH BASED COMMUNITY SOME YEARS AGO ABOUT HOW THEY COULD BE A PART OF THE SOLUTION BY HELPING PARTNER WITH SOME OF OUR NONPROFIT PARTNERS AND DOING IT IN A MORE STRATEGIC WAY. AND THERE'S BEEN SOME LIMITATIONS IN HOW WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT. BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO JUST CONTINUE. I KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A BRIEFING. WE'RE GOING TO DO BRIEFING ITEM THAT'S B ON THE AGENDA FOR THE 15TH, AND BRING SOMETHING BACK TO COUNCIL FOR US TO AT LEAST TO PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE GUARDRAILS AROUND IT. I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE HEADED. BUT WE CAN'T STOP TALKING ABOUT IT. WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH WITHIN OUR CODE DEPARTMENT, WE'VE RAMPED UP WEEKEND SUPPORT SO WE CAN ACTUALLY BE OUT THERE DURING THE TIMES THAT IT'S HAPPENING MORE OFTEN. I SEE EXACTLY WHAT THE RESIDENTS IN YOUR DISTRICT SEE BECAUSE I'M A, I'M A RESIDENT OF YOUR DISTRICT. AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO FIND WAYS TO, TO, TO MAYBE CLOSE THAT LOOP AND THEN BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WAYS THAT WE CAN GET OUR STREET FEEDING SUPPORTERS MORE ENGAGED IN HOW THEY BETTER SUPPORT THE NONPROFIT. SO IT IS A, IT'S BEEN A LONG CELL CYCLE. I THINK WE'VE MADE PROGRESS. I THINK WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO MAKE PROGRESS AND THEN CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AROUND WAYS THAT WE CAN ENHANCE OUR ORDINANCES AND BE ABLE TO DO THAT EVEN MORE EFFECTIVELY. BUT WE KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THIS IS A BIG CONCERN. WE HEAR ABOUT IT, WE SEE IT, AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU AGAIN. YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WE'RE IN TANDEM WORKING TOGETHER AND THAT OUR GOALS ARE ALIGNED AND THE CITY HAS TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT YOUR JOB IS BEING EFFECTIVE AND YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THE GOALS SET BEFORE YOU. I THINK YOU SPELLED OUT VERY CLEARLY THAT FOLKS THAT ARE GETTING PARTICIPATING IN THOSE STREET FEEDINGS ARE LESS LIKELY TO GO INTO A SHELTER TO GO TO GET HOUSED, TO GET THE REAL SERVICES THAT THEY NEED. AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING ON OUR END AS A CITY AND PUTTING IN THE NECESSARY TOOLS TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. SARAH, DO YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT THE CITY COULD POSSIBLY DO TO MAKE THAT ALIGNMENT MORE SEAMLESS? IS THAT SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE SANCTIONS STREET FEEDING ISSUE? I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF POLICY SOLUTIONS THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN EXPLORING. I THINK IT ALSO COMES DOWN TO JUST LOOKING AT THE AUTHORITY THAT WE ALREADY HAVE TO ENFORCE CERTAIN ISSUES. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE ARE TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS AND RESULTING TRASH ALL OVER THE GROUND THAT IS LEFT FOR DOWNTOWN DALLAS INC TO CLEAN UP. THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A VIOLATION THAT CAN BE ENFORCED TODAY WITHOUT ADDITIONAL AUTHORITY OF THE CITY TO HAVE TO INTRODUCE THAT. AND SO I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING, WE'RE USING EVERY TOOL THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THAT UNDER CONTROL. AND IT DOESN'T UNDERMINE JUST THE ABSOLUTE INCREDIBLE SHOW OF PARTNERSHIP THAT WE'VE SEEN ON BEHALF OF OUR PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PARTNERS TO GET THE RESULTS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN DOWNTOWN. THANK YOU. AND SO, CITY MANAGER, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PRIORITY OF MINE. I KNOW THAT THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS WE CAN AND CAN'T DO, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE ARE ISSUES SUCH AS BLOCKING OF SIDEWALKS, LITTERING PEOPLE PARKING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROADS CRIMINAL TRESPASSING AFFIDAVITS. SO THERE'S A SERIES OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DO. AND AGAIN, THE LONG TERM GOAL IS TO GET THE HELP THAT THOSE INDIVIDUALS DESPERATELY NEED. THANK YOU, THANK YOU MAYOR. CHAIRMAN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. MAYOR, I'M GOING TO USE MY THREE MINUTES TO TO TALK ABOUT THE BYLAWS OR THE PROGRAM STATEMENTS FOR THE HFC AND PFC, AND I WOULD ASK IF AARON IAQUINTO COULD COME DOWN AND PLEASE JOIN US, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR HIM. IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T MIND GIVING UP [04:05:01] THEIR SEAT FOR A MINUTE. SO I UNDERSTAND THE CITY MANAGER AND HER TEAM ARE LOOKING FOR CLEAR GUIDANCE ON WHAT TO DO WITH THE PROGRAM STATEMENTS. FOR WHEN THEY BRING THIS BACK TO US ON APRIL 22ND, AND I'M JUST GOING TO PUT MY POSITION OUT THERE. I KNOW CHAIRMAN STEWART HAS ALREADY DONE THAT AS WELL, AND I WOULD JUST ASK COLLEAGUES IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND SPEAKING UP ON THIS ISSUE. SO FIRST OF ALL, ON THESE DOCUMENTS THAT WE WERE GIVEN AT THE HOUSING COMMITTEE THESE ARE THE PROGRAM STATEMENTS. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN THE PROGRAM STATEMENTS AND THE BYLAWS? AND BY GIVING YOU GUIDANCE TODAY, HOW DOES IT IMPACT BOTH OF THEM? I'M LOOKING AT AARON OR I GUESS AARON. YOU WANT TO. YEAH, I THINK I'LL START. THE BYLAWS ARE THE GOVERNING DOCUMENTS OF BOTH NONPROFIT CORPORATIONS THAT LIST OUT THE RULES OF WHICH THEY ARE GOVERNED IN 2024 AFTER A SERIES OF ACTIVITY SOME BYLAW AMENDMENT UPDATES WERE REQUESTED FROM THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT A LOT OF QUESTIONS CAME UP ABOUT, WELL, WHAT GUIDANCE HAVE WE GIVEN YOU IN ORDER TO INFORM THOSE BYLAW CHANGES? AND THAT STARTED A SERIES OF CONVERSATIONS WITH PREVIOUS STAFF SAYING, WELL, YOUR YOUR PUBLIC STATEMENTS AND YOUR, YOUR PROGRAM STATEMENTS DON'T REALLY SAY A WHOLE LOT. THEY ACTUALLY SAY NOTHING EXCEPT FOR THESE REFORMED BY THE STATE. CAN YOU GO BACK AND DO SOME WORK TOGETHER AND, AND REFINE THIS? AND SO WHAT'S PRESENTED IN THIS ITEM ARE THE PROGRAM STATEMENTS FOR THE GUIDANCE FROM YOU ALL AS COUNTY CITY COUNCIL THAT HAVE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES. ALL HAVE COME TOGETHER THROUGH A SERIES OF CONVERSATIONS AND COMPROMISE OVER THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF IN TERMS OF WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED TO YOU FOR CONSIDERATION. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT THESE DOCUMENTS ARE ALL READ. AND BECAUSE IT'S BRAND NEW, SOME OF THESE PROGRAM STATEMENTS, RIGHT, OR THEY'RE COMPLETELY BEING REDONE. WELL THAT'S CORRECT. THE STRIKETHROUGH IS THE EXISTING. GOT IT. AND YOU REPLACE THEM WITH EVERYTHING NEW, THE STRUCTURE. SO EVERYTHING IS A RED LINE IN BOTH THE STRIKETHROUGH AND THE ADDITION IN TERMS OF HOW IT IS POPULATED. AND THOR AND AARON, WOULD YOU BOTH AGREE THAT 90% OF OF THE PROGRAM STATEMENTS ARE PRETTY MUCH AGREED TO, AND THERE'S JUST A FEW REMAINING ISSUES? YES, I WOULD AGREE. GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO LET'S GO TO THE REMAINING ISSUES. UNDER GEOGRAPHIC RESTRICTIONS AND VOTING THRESHOLD FOR REMOVAL OF PROPERTIES FROM THE TAX ROLL, THE THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT IS WANTING TO ADD A TWO THIRDS VOTE THRESHOLD, TAKING IT UP FROM A MAJORITY VOTE THRESHOLD THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. I DID A ONE PAGER COLLEAGUES TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS BECAUSE I WAS CONFUSED AND HAD HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS AND STILL COULDN'T GET IT. AND THE ONE PAGER IS WHAT I'M USING RIGHT NOW TO GO OVER. I GUESS AARON, WHAT'S YOUR POSITION ON WHAT THE TWO THIRDS VOTE THRESHOLD BASICALLY KIND OF REMOVING COUNCILS. SOME OF OUR AUTHORITY AND PUTTING IT MORE ON ON STAFF. WHAT WHAT IS YOUR POSITION ON HOW THAT MIGHT IMPACT YOUR PROGRAMS AND STATEWIDE? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, CHAIR. AARON QUINTO, GENERAL MANAGER OF THE DALLAS PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION AND THE DALLAS HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION. SO I THINK THE TWO THIRDS MAJORITY VOTE, IT REALLY JUST IT IT HAS A COOLING EFFECT ON THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WHERE WE DEPEND ON THEM TO BRING US PROJECTS. AND SO THERE ARE ONLY A HANDFUL OF FOLKS WHO ARE WILLING TO GO THROUGH THESE VERY EXTENSIVE AND INTRICATE PROCESSES TO ACTUALLY GET A PROJECT APPROVED. IT CAN BE UP TO 2 OR 3 YEARS BEFORE SOMETHING GETS OUT OF THE GROUND. AND SO TO PUT EVEN FURTHER RESTRICTIONS BEFORE WE EVEN COME TO THE TABLE AND AND CONSIDER THAT IT WILL HAVE GENERALLY A COOLING EFFECT ON, ON THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE PUTTING UP MONEY UP FRONT. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU PUT A CONTRACT ON A PROPERTY BEFORE YOU EVEN GET AN APPROVAL. IT COSTS YOU MONEY. AND SO IF THERE ARE MORE RESTRICTIONS DOWN THE ROAD, IT SAYS, OKAY, NOW INSTEAD OF JUST EIGHT VOTES, NOW WE NEED TEN OR 12 OR 13. YOU KNOW, THAT GIVES SOME PEOPLE PAUSE IN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. IT MAY LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF PROJECTS WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW. RIGHT? IT MAY. YEAH. AND THAT'S SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW EVERY PROJECT. JUST BY ADDING THAT EXTRA RESTRICTION THOUGH, THE BOARDS FEEL THAT IT'S OVERLY PRESCRIPTIVE. NOW, ONE ISSUE THAT A COUPLE OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE BROUGHT UP THAT I SHARE THE CONCERN WITH IS GETTING INUNDATED WITH JUST TONS AND TONS OF DEVELOPMENTS AND HAVING TO DEAL WITH IT UP HERE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE PROGRAM STATEMENTS ARE GOING TO REQUIRE PEOPLE BEFORE THEY FILE AN APPLICATION, TO COME TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER AND EXPLAIN WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO AND GET FEEDBACK BEFORE IT'S FILED. RIGHT. THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT. WE'VE CURRENTLY, WE'VE, WE'VE RECENTLY ENACTED JUST APPLICATION AMENDMENTS. SO WE'VE DONE THAT UP FRONT AND SAID BOTH BOARDS NOW REQUIRE. BEFORE YOU EVEN SUBMIT YOUR APPLICATION TO SEEK FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY AND FROM THE LOCAL COUNCIL MEMBER. AND SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US AND TO THE BOARDS THAT THEY ARE ENACTING THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL. [04:10:04] THEY DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS DON'T WANT TO SEE. AND SO BY REQUIRING THAT UPFRONT, WE CAN GET SOME EARLY FEEDBACK BEFORE WE GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE RIGMAROLE OF, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT THIS PROJECT AFTER WE'VE GONE THROUGH 6 OR 8 MONTHS OF APPROVALS AND DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. AND SO IT REALLY JUST SHORTENS THAT, THAT SORT OF CONFLICT THERE. OKAY. AND COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY HERE AT THE HORSESHOE TO APPROVE OR DENY A DEAL WITH THE MAJORITY VOTE. RIGHT? YES, SIR. THAT'S REQUIRED BY STATE STATUTE. ALL YOU GUYS HAVE TO SEE EVERY DEAL THAT THAT WE APPROVE. OKAY. SO MY SUPPORT THEN WOULD BE FOR THE TWO THIRDS, NOT THE TWO THIRDS THRESHOLD TO REJECT THAT GO WITH THE CORPORATION'S RECOMMENDATION ON THE GEOGRAPHIC RESTRICTIONS AND THE TAX ROLL THRESHOLD. AND THEN ON THE EX OFFICIO. I WOULD GO WITH CORPORATIONS RECOMMENDATION ON THAT AS WELL. AND IF. YOU KNOW, STAFF WANTS TO GO, THEY CAN GO. BUT THERE'S LIMITS ON WHERE THEY CAN GO BECAUSE YOU ARE A SEPARATE ENTITY. WE CAN'T FORCE STAFF IN. THANK YOU. CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. WHAT IS THE CURRENT PERCENT OF HOME OWNERSHIP VERSUS RENTAL CITYWIDE? THE CURRENT, I BELIEVE, IS 58% RENTAL. IS THERE A GOAL TO MAINTAINING A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF HOME OWNERSHIP IN THE HOUSING ACTION PLAN? WE THROUGH DISCUSSIONS WITH CITY COUNCIL, WE SAID IF WE WANTED TO HAVE A 5050 SPLIT JUST TO JUST AS A STARTING PLACE, WE WOULD NEED TO TAKE 42,000 RENTERS AND TURN THEM INTO HOMEOWNERS IN ORDER TO TO CHANGE THAT. THAT ASSUMES, YOU KNOW, LIMITED PRODUCTION, BUT SO THERE'S NO SET GOAL. BUT IT IS A GOAL OF HOME OWNERSHIP IN GENERAL. I THINK WE'VE HEARD THAT THROUGH MOST COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HOMEOWNERSHIP IS PREFERRED IN SOME FORM FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. SO IN MY DISTRICT, IT'S WELL OVER 65% ARE RENTERS. I THINK IT'S MAYBE EVEN 70%. I CAN SEE COLUMNS EYEBROWS GOING UP. AND IT'S SURPRISING, BUT THAT'S A FACT. AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SOUTHERN DALLAS, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A MUCH HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF HOME OWNERSHIP THAN NORTH DALLAS. IS THAT CORRECT? GENERALLY SPEAKING, YEAH. I THINK WE SHOULD SET A GOAL. AND WHAT THAT GOAL SHOULD MEAN IS THAT EITHER CITYWIDE, WE SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INCENTIVES FOR RENTAL PROPERTIES WHEN WE ARE AT A UNSTABLE LEVEL OF HOME OWNERSHIP, OR WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT DISTRICT BY DISTRICT AND SAY THIS DISTRICT ALREADY HAS AN OVERABUNDANCE OF RENTAL PROPERTIES, WHICH IS DESTABILIZING FOR A COMMUNITY. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU HEAR CHAIR STEWART TALKING ABOUT IN HER DISTRICT. AND, AND IN PLACES IN MIND, HOW MANY NEW I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. I'M JUST GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME POLICY ISSUES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN BROUGHT UP. I'D LIKE TO SEE US TALK ABOUT NEW HOUSING TYPES, INCLUDING SINGLE ROOM OCCUPANCY. WE'RE COMPLETELY MISSING THAT CATEGORY. IT WOULD BE EXTREMELY AFFORDABLE AND PROVIDE COMMUNITY AND PROVIDE DENSITY AND POSSIBLY EVEN TAX REVENUE. I MEAN, IT COULD BE EITHER WAY, BUT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT MISSING ELEMENT IN OUR CONTINUUM OF HOUSING. WE NEED TO BE TALKING MORE ABOUT MANUFACTURED HOUSING, ESPECIALLY AS ROBOTIC ADVANCES FOR CONSTRUCTION HAVE OCCURRED. NEW MATERIALS ARE AVAILABLE AND WE NEED TO GREATLY DEFINE WHAT THAT IS IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW AND MAKE IT AVAILABLE ALL ACROSS THE CITY. I WOULD NOT MIND LIVING NEXT TO A MANUFACTURED HOME. THIS IS A BIG THING. I'D LIKE TO SEE OUR INCENTIVES AND ABATEMENTS USED FOR OUR MOST FINANCIALLY NEEDY RESIDENTS. THESE DEALS WERE HALF OF IT IS MARKET RATE AND THE OTHER HALF IS 80% AMI WHICH IN CHILD POVERTY ACTION LABS DOCUMENTS SHOW WE ACTUALLY HAVE ENOUGH 80% AMI. THESE ARE NOT BENEFICIAL NOR FINANCIALLY PRUDENT. AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO OR HELP THE PEOPLE WHO TRULY NEED OUR ASSISTANCE. THAT'S THE PUBLIC GOOD THAT WE ARE INTENDED TO PROVIDE. I THINK WE NEED TO BE MESSAGING TO SINGLES THAT ARE VERY LOW INCOME, THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO BE A SINGLE RESIDENT IN A HOUSING UNIT. AND MAYBE WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT SHARED HOUSING AS A NEW NORM BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S AFFORDABLE OR INTERGENERATIONAL HOUSING, AND I CAN SEE I'M GETTING CLOSE ON TIME. I'M GOING TO SAY ONE MORE QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF JACK'S AVAILABLE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN OUR HOUSING VALUES GO DOWN, AS WE'RE SEEING IN AUSTIN, WHAT HAPPENS TO OUR REVENUE? IS HE AVAILABLE? IF WE DON'T ANSWER THE QUESTION DIRECTLY, WE'LL SEND YOU BACK A RESPONSE. [04:15:05] BUT THERE IS DEFINITELY A I REALLY LIKE TO HAVE THIS ANSWER. PLEASE. WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO GET THE ANSWER FOR YOU AS PART OF THIS CONVERSATION. JUST GIVE US A MINUTE. THANK YOU. AND WHILE WE WORK ON THAT, I WANTED TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO SLIDE 102. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND PRE-APPROVED PLANS, SMALLER LOT. THERE'S ALSO WORKS IN PROGRESS IN TERMS OF MANUFACTURED HOUSING AND SOME OTHER THINGS THROUGH OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT THAT WE'LL SEE COMING UP THROUGH SOME OF THE WORK THAT THAT THEY'RE LEADING TO INCORPORATE DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPOLOGIES AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT. RIGHT? WE'RE GOING TO GET AN ANSWER. BEFORE WE MOVE ON. THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE IMPACT OF LOWER HOME VALUES. IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL AND ACTUALLY INCREASING HOUSING STOCK HERE AND THE IMPACT ON OUR, ON OUR REVENUE TAX REVENUE. I UNDERSTAND JACK IRELAND IS MAKING HIS WAY DOWN AND THEN I'M GOING TO RECOGNIZE MR.. MR. ROTH FOR THREE MINUTES. SO GET READY, MR. ROTH. YES, MA'AM. YOUR QUESTION PLEASE. I'M NOT GOING TO. I THINK THE MANAGER JUST TOLD YOU WHAT THE QUESTION WAS. RIGHT. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE TOLD HIM. BUT I WILL TELL YOU, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO REPEAT IT, I WILL. JUST. NOT SURE. THE QUESTION IS, WE'VE SEEN IN AUSTIN THAT THEY'VE HAD DECREASING HOME VALUES AND THEIR APARTMENT COMPLEXES DECREASING IN VALUE. AND WHAT IS THE IMPACT ON THE REVENUE TO THE CITY? WHEN YOU SEE DECREASING VALUATIONS FOR THE HOMES AND APARTMENTS. THANK YOU. AND SO NO, I WAS NOT AWARE THAT THAT WAS YOUR QUESTION. THE QUESTION AGAIN. JACK GARLAND CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER SO VALUES ARE A DIRECT RELATIONSHIP TO OUR REVENUE. SO THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT SETS THE THE VALUES OF PROPERTY. AND IF VALUES GO DOWN, REVENUES GO DOWN BECAUSE THAT'S THE SIMPLE ANSWER. IT'S THE VALUES TIMES TAX RATE. SO IF OUR VALUES OVERALL WITHIN THE CITY DECLINE THEN THE REVENUE IS GOING TO GO DOWN. THANK YOU MAYOR. THE POINT WAS ONLY THAT I'M GOING TO LET YOU LOOK JUST BECAUSE I'M IN THE MOOD. ROLL INTO YOUR LAST MINUTE AND GO AHEAD. WELL, THE POINT IS ONLY THAT IF THE GOAL IS ONLY TO MAKE THE HOUSING MORE AFFORDABLE, WE ARE SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR A FINANCIAL CRISIS. SO I THEN WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE WITH SAYING THAT I BELIEVE WE SHOULD LIMIT OUR EXEMPTIONS TO A CERTAIN DOLLAR AMOUNT EVERY YEAR, AND THAT WOULD FORCE US TO CHOOSE THE BEST PROJECTS. WE HAVE NEVER SAID NO TO A SINGLE HOUSING EXEMPTION SINCE I'VE BEEN ON HERE. THE TWO THIRDS RULE. WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY HAVE A TWO THIRDS RULE FOR REMOVING ANYTHING FROM PROPERTY TAXES. BUT SECOND, I'LL JUST SAY THAT I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER HAD A VOTE FOR A PSC OR HFC THAT DIDN'T HAVE A 14 ONE OR A 13 TWO. I THINK YOU KNOW WHERE I'VE BEEN. SO THESE HAVE NOT BEEN 8 TO 7 VOTES. I THINK WE NEED TO MASTER PLAN OUT OUR UNDEVELOPED AREAS, ESPECIALLY IN SOUTHERN DALLAS, TO GIVE NOT JUST THE DEVELOPER CERTAINTY. GIVE THE CITY CERTAINTY TO ALIGN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS, BUT ALSO TO GIVE THAT COMMUNITY THE CERTAINTY. AND WE NEED TO INVEST IN THAT. THIS IS ONLY THE FIFTH OR SIXTH OR SEVENTH OR 10TH TIME I'VE SAID THIS, BUT WE KEEP SEEING THE SAME EXACT ISSUE OVER AND OVER AGAIN BECAUSE WE'RE NOT WILLING TO PUT IN THAT WORK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. ROTH. YOU RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. FOLLOWING REALLY FOLLOWING UP ON ON WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN WAS TALKING ABOUT. I'M VERY MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT THE TAX, THE FUNDING AND INCOME AND REVENUE IMPLICATIONS OF ANY OF OUR INCENTIVE PROGRAMS COVERING NOT ONLY HOUSING, BUT AND ALSO OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY. I THINK THAT THIS IS A BIG, BIG, IMPORTANT ISSUE. AND I THINK THAT THE METRICS THAT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN HAVE SUGGESTED ARE REALLY VERY INTUITIVE. I THINK THEY'RE GOOD BUSINESS. THEY'RE COMMON SENSE. BUT I THINK WHAT IT, WHAT IT REPRESENTS TO ME IS THAT THERE'S MORE, THERE'S, THERE'S MORE DISCUSSION AND OPPORTUNITIES TO BE CREATIVE, TO BE THOUGHTFUL, TO, TO EXPAND THIS CONVERSATION. AND, AND I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PART. HOUSING RENTAL SUBSIDIES, HELPING THE HOMELESS. THESE ARE ALL CRITICAL ISSUES, BUT THESE ARE MONEY ISSUES AND THESE ARE FINANCIAL BURDEN ISSUES ON OUR TAXPAYERS AND ON OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. AND WE'VE GOT TO BE PROACTIVE IN PROTECTING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND PROTECTING OUR TAX THE TAX REVENUES FROM THE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. AND WE CAN DEAL WITH THE HOUSING FOLKS, BUT WE NEED TO BE ABLE WITH THE HOUSING ISSUES, [04:20:03] BUT WE'VE GOT TO BE MORE CREATIVE AND MORE THOUGHTFUL AND LIMIT OUR, OUR ABILITY TO TO SPEND MONEY THAT'S NOT BEING TRULY EFFECTIVE. AND, AND I THINK THE DATA, EVERYBODY'S DRIVEN ON DATA. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF DATA HERE. AND I THINK HOW WE REVIEW THE DATA AND HOW WE ANALYZE THE DATA IS VERY INSTRUMENTAL. AND I THINK A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT WE THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN IS THAT AND IT'S THESE ARE OFFLINE DISCUSSIONS AND I'D LOVE TO, TO TALK TO YOU ALL MORE DETAILED IS THAT I REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE REAL VACANCIES ARE. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE, THE IMPACT IS OF WHAT WE REALLY NEED. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE FOR, FOR REDEVELOPING OFFICE SPACE AND OTHER INCENTIVE PROGRAMS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE PUBLIC ARENA THAT WE COULD UTILIZE FOR STUFF. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT OTHER MONIES ARE AVAILABLE OUTSIDE OF CITY MONIES TO TO PROMOTE THESE, THESE AGENDAS. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SPENDING THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE PROPERLY, THAT WE'RE GETTING, THAT WE'RE UTILIZING GRANTS, THAT WE'RE UTILIZING OUR FUNDS AND THAT WE'RE NOT LOSING MONEY FROM, FROM THAT, THAT WE'VE GOTTEN BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T IMPLEMENTED PROGRAMS OR FINISHED PROGRAMS. AND SO I DO ANYTHING THAT COMES THAT REQUIRES A TAX BREAK THAT AFFECTS OUR CITY BUDGET AND REVENUE, I THINK NEEDS TO HAVE A MAJORITY SUPERMAJORITY MAJORITY REVIEW. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT OUR ECONOMIC SITUATION IN THIS PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT, ESPECIALLY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND I'D JUST LIKE TO TO SAY THAT, YEAH, WE'LL WORK WITH YOU AT THE DISTRICT LEVEL. WE CAN PULL COSTAR DATA THAT TALKS ABOUT VACANCY RATES ACROSS THE CITY. IT FLUCTUATES FROM 9.1 AROUND OUR UPTOWN PARK CITIES TO 11.7 IN EAST DALLAS. SO AS WE LOOK AT DIFFERENT REGIONS OF THE CITY, WE HAVE DIFFERENT VACANCY RATES. WE'LL WORK WITH YOU TO UNDERSTAND YOUR DISTRICTS MORE FULLY. AND TO UNDERSTAND THE FULL LIST OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED OR DECLINED HERE AT THE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL FOR HFC AND PFC. THANK YOU. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM? HAS SHE ALREADY GONE? TWICE? OKAY. SHE HAS TWO STARS NEXT TO HER NAME. OKAY. ONLY ONCE. RIGHT? OKAY, THEN. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I REALIZE IT'S IMPORTANT TO WEIGH IN ON. I'M GOING TO LOOK AT PAGE 114 IN THE APPENDIX JUST ON THE HFC PFC PROGRAM STATEMENTS. SO I TO AGREE, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK GETTING TO THIS POINT JUST SO WE CAN DISCUSS THIS AS A FULL BODY. BUT IN GOING BACK AND FORTH ON THINGS LIKE THE SUPERMAJORITY OR THE TWO THIRDS VOTE AND THE EX OFFICIO OFFICER AND THE, THE POVERTY RATE, I'M TENDING TO NET OUT WHERE THE BOARD IS NETTING OUT OR THE BOARDS ARE NETTING OUT. I, I MEAN, ONE THING THAT'S DIFFERENT TODAY ABOUT THE OTHER TIMES WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PARTICULAR DECK IS TO HAVE THE PRECURSOR OF EVERYONE'S REPORTS BEFORE. THIS JUST REALLY MAGNIFIES THE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND THIS HAS BEEN OUR DRIVER. THESE TWO GROUPS HAVE BEEN OUR DRIVER. SO I SEE THIS AS A BELL CURVE. WE ARE GOING UP AS WE ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN LAID OUT FOR US WITH LOTS OF DATA, AND I HOPE THAT IN A FEW YEARS WE CAN BACK OFF OF THIS BECAUSE WE WON'T NEED THAT ANYMORE, BECAUSE WE ARE GETTING AHEAD OF THIS PROBLEM AND WE'RE ADDRESSING IT. AND WHAT WE'RE DOING TO ADDRESS IT IS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE HFC AND PFC BOARDS NOW. SO I THINK THE OTHER ASPECT OF THIS IS THAT IT COMES TO US, THESE DEALS HAVE SO MANY CHECK POINTS AND WEIGH STATIONS. I MEAN, IT JUST IS PUBLICLY HEARD AND ADDRESSED AND THEY'RE AVAILABLE. AND THERE'S A LOT OF OUTREACH WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AND DISCUSS THE POINTS OF THE DEAL. WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN APPOINTEES THAT WE SHOULD BE IN COMMUNICATION WITH ON THESE DEALS. AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S HAVING THE POINT OF I GUESS A CRITICAL POINT OF JUDGMENT WHEN IT COMES BACK TO COUNCIL. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO NOT BE PUNITIVE ON SOME OF THESE LIMITS AND LET US HAVE IT COME TO US IN A MOMENT WHERE WE CAN THEN EVALUATE HOW MUCH CONSTRUCTION IS GOING ON CLOSE BY AND OF WHAT NATURE THAT CONSTRUCTION IS, SO THAT WE CAN TAKE ALL OF THOSE MARKET FACTORS IN THE MOMENT AND MAKE A JUDGMENT THEN AS A LOCAL BODY ON THE BOARD LIAISON, I UNDERSTAND THAT CONCERN. [04:25:04] I JUST THINK THAT LIAISON KIND OF RELATIONSHIP IS, IS WHERE THAT NEEDS TO BE. AND THEN ON THE GEOGRAPHIC RESTRICTIONS, AGAIN, I'M JUST MORE ALIGNED WITH WHERE THE BOARD IS ON THE FCS AND HFCS. I MEAN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAX EXEMPTION AND MAJORITY VOTES AND THAT SORT OF THING. WE HAD A PRESENTATION LAST WEEK ON WHAT THAT IS COSTING. AND ON HFC, OUR 60% AND BELOW INCOME BAND, IT'S $213 PER YEAR FOR EACH UNIT. I MEAN, DO YOU THINK WE'D BE PAYING A LOT MORE FOR THAT IF THAT PERSON ENDS UP ON THE STREET? EXPONENTIALLY MORE. AND SO I THINK WE'RE SEEING THAT THE NUMBERS DO WORK FOR US. BY, BY STAYING OUT OF THE WAY OF THE GOOD WORK THAT THESE COMMITTEES ARE DOING THAT THESE BOARDS ARE DOING, AND THAT WE DO HAVE OUR CHECKPOINT AND OUR OVERSIGHT. THANKS. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WAS THAT I DIDN'T HEAR THE END WHERE YOU FINISHED? ALL RIGHT, SO, CHAIRWOMAN STEWART, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU, MAYOR JOHNSON. FIRST CHAIR WEST, CAN I GET A COPY OF YOUR CHEAT SHEET OR YOUR ONE PAGER? NO, NOT RIGHT THIS SECOND. THAT'S OKAY. I'M JUST BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION TO PROCESS. WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AND IT'S GREAT. IF SOMEBODY'S BEEN ABLE TO BOIL IT DOWN INTO ONE PAGE, THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. AND I JUST WANT TO REITERATE, I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE CHANGES TO PROGRAM STATEMENTS THAT WOULD PUT MORE HURDLES IN THE WAY OF THE PROJECTS. SO WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TWO THIRDS VOTE OR THE GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION CHANGES I THINK THOSE ARE CREATING MORE ISSUES FOR DEVELOPERS. AND BECAUSE MY DISTRICT IS NOW AT THIS POINT WHERE WE MAY BE LOOKING VERY SERIOUSLY AT PFC AND HFC OPTIONS WE NEED FLEXIBILITY. AND I THINK I'VE SAID THAT BEFORE, BUT I REALLY WANT TO REITERATE THAT WE VERY MUCH NEED FLEXIBILITY AND I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IF WE WERE ABLE TO GET ANOTHER BRIEFING ON THIS, PERHAPS THE 22ND. SO THAT MAYBE WE CAN TAKE THIS. TAKE OUR ONE PAGER. ALSO, I'LL START PROCESSING THIS MORE. PERHAPS THOR, YOU AND I CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION BEFORE THEN, SO I'M A LITTLE MORE CLEAR ON WHERE I THINK DISTRICT TEN SHOULD GO. AND ANYWAY, I JUST, I THINK THE 22ND WOULD BE A GOOD TIME FOR US TO, TO REVISIT THIS TOPIC. I THINK WE'LL BE REVISITING IT CLEARLY SEVERAL TIMES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CHAIRMAN JOHNSON, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I AGREE WITH CHAIR STEWART. WE WILL BE REVISITING THIS. I'M LOOKING AT THE BOTH, BUT I RIGHT NOW I SUPPORT KEEPING THE SUPERMAJORITY AND NOT A TWO THIRDS VOTE. BUT I DEFINITELY KNOW THAT WE WILL HAVE TO BE MORE VISITING THIS CONVERSATION AGAIN. PLEASE EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ATTAINABLE HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE. WELL, WE'VE NOTICED THROUGH DIALOG CHANGE AND NARRATIVE CHANGE EFFORTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT LOW INCOME, AFFORDABLE SECTION EIGHT. THEY ALL CARRY STIGMAS THAT IS NOT HELPFUL TO THE CONVERSATION. WE WE PRODUCE HOUSING THAT'S AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN OUR CITY, WORK IN OUR CITY. WANT TO CALL OUR CITY HOME. AND BY WORKING ON NARRATIVE CHANGE BY SAYING ATTAINABLE WHAT WE MEAN IS THE UNITS THAT ARE INCOME RESTRICTED FOR, FOR FAMILIES THAT, THAT NEED THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEFINITION, OF COURSE, THROUGH, THROUGH HUD AND OTHER SOURCES THAT NO MORE THAN 30% OF A FAMILY'S HOUSEHOLD INCOME SHOULD GO TO HOUSING COSTS AND THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING HAS THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AND INCOME RESTRICTIONS WITH IT. HOWEVER, FOR NARRATIVE CHANGE AND UNDERSTANDING OF SUPPORTING PEOPLE AND PLACE WE INTRODUCE ATTAINABLE HOUSING FOR TODAY. SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS, ARE THERE ANY QUALITY HOMES IN 2026 THAT YOU CAN GET FOR A 200,000 AND THE 200,000 RANGE? NOT ANYMORE, UNFORTUNATELY. SO YEAH, BESIDES THE OTHER INCENTIVES THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN, HOW CAN A EDUCATOR, A POLICE OFFICER OR A FIREFIGHTER AFFORD A HOME IF WHEN THEY INCOME TO DEBT RATIO DOESN'T EVEN SUGGEST THAT IT CAN MAKE. MANY OF THOSE HOUSEHOLDS WILL CONTINUE TO BE RENTERS AT DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT PRICE POINTS THROUGH THE VARIETY OF DIFFERENT HOUSING. YOU KNOW, APARTMENTS THAT EXIST, SOME OF THEM ARE NOT IN GREAT CONDITION. SO PEOPLE LIVE IN SUBSTANDARD CONDITION, HOME OWNERSHIP. IT COSTS ABOUT 270 TO $300,000 TO BUILD A 1300 SQUARE FOOT HOME. [04:30:02] THAT PRICE POINT IS AFFORDABLE TO AN 80% AMI BUYER, BUT THE LOWER YOUR HOUSEHOLD INCOME, THE FURTHER HOME OWNERSHIP IS AWAY FROM HOW MUCH YOU MAKE TO, TO KEEP YOUR YOUR HOUSEHOLD COSTS AT LESS THAN 30% OF YOUR INCOME. SO HOME OWNERSHIP BECOMES OUT OF REALITY FOR SO MANY OF OUR DALLASITES AND JUST PEOPLE ACROSS THE NATION RIGHT NOW, DUE TO HOUSING COSTS, RISING VALUATION OF HOUSING AND INCOMES REMAINING STAGNANT. SO AS WE WANT TO PRIORITIZE HOMEOWNERSHIP, IT IS ALSO ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT THINGS TO DO TO PROVIDE HOMEOWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES TO PEOPLE WHO CAN AFFORD IT BASED ON CURRENT INCOMES. OKAY, I SEE ONE OF MY GOOD FRIENDS IN THE AUDIENCE, CHRIS LEWIS. AND SO THIS IS SOME OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET HOMES, AFFORDABLE HOUSES FOR ALL OF DISTRICT FOUR. BUT AGAIN, IT'S VERY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'M VERY SERIOUS ABOUT AND MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE I HAVE SO MANY TEACHERS AND SO MANY OFFICERS WHEN I TALK THAT HAVE TO GO TO THE SUBURBS AND GET AN AFFORD OR GET AN ATTAINABLE OR A HOME WITHIN THAT PRICE RANGE, BUT CAN'T DO IT IN THE CITY. AND THAT THAT'S IT'S STILL CONFUSING TO ME. AND I HAVEN'T HAD I HAVEN'T HEARD AN ANSWER THAT THAT HELPS ME UNDERSTAND. AND I, AGAIN, I KNOW I DON'T KNOW IT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I ACT LIKE I DO. HOWEVER, WHEN I'M TRYING TO EXPLAIN THIS TO OUR COMMUNITY. OF THAT SORT, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO SO EFFICIENTLY AND HELP THEM GET AN UNDERSTANDING AT THE SAME TIME. GIVE THEM RESOURCES, REAL RESOURCES THAT CAN MAKE THAT DREAM COME TRUE. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M, THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TOWARD. HOW CAN WE REALLY GET THIS DONE? BECAUSE AGAIN, EVERYONE SOME OF MY TEACHERS AT SOUTH OAK CLIFF HIGH SCHOOL, ROOSEVELT THEY, THEY CANNOT AFFORD A $400,000 HOME. THAT'S WHY I SAY I NEED MORE DENSITY AND I'M LOOKING TO GET MORE QUALITY DENSITY AND MARKET RATE IN DISTRICT FOUR. BUT I DO WANT TO KNOW HOW CAN WE REALLY DO THAT FOR WHERE IT'S A TO REALITY AND NOT JUST A CONVERSATIONAL PIECE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YEAH. NO. YEAH. THANK YOU. I LOOK FORWARD TO THOSE CONVERSATIONS. I'LL TELL YOU, THE PRIMARY VEHICLE TO ACHIEVE THAT IS RENTAL. AND SO WHEN WE ADD OWNERSHIP WITHIN THAT CONVERSATION, IT BECOMES ONE THAT WILL BE MORE AND MORE CHALLENGING. AND WE'LL BE UPFRONT AND HONEST ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO, TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. BUT KNOWING THE, THE INCOMES OF PEOPLE AND THE COST TO DEVELOP AND SELL RENTAL OPPORTUNITIES BECOME SOMEONE'S PRIMARY VEHICLE TO QUALITY HOUSING, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S OUT OF LINE WITH COMMUNITY DESIRE, WANT AND PEOPLE'S PERSONAL DESIRES. THANK YOU. AND I'M DEFINITELY GOING TO BE WORKING WITH CHRIS. CHRIS, I'M GOING TO NEED YOUR HELP ON THIS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN A CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. IF I CAN CHIME IN REALLY QUICKLY, I JUST WANTED TO TO THAT POINT ALSO JUST SAY EMPLOYER ASSISTED HOUSING. SO AS EMPLOYERS COME INTO THE CITY AND AS DIFFERENT COMPANIES COME INTO THE CITY HAVING BUY IN FROM THEM AROUND HOUSING DISCUSSIONS ON WAYS THAT WORKERS CAN LIVE WHERE THEY WORK IS ALSO VERY CRITICAL. AND THAT IS A BROADER CONVERSATION THAT AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL, ALSO IS TAKING PLACE AS WE LOOK AT WHAT SOLUTIONS COULD BE. SO EMPLOYER ASSISTED HOUSING IS ANOTHER LINCHPIN OR VIABLE SOLUTION TO SOME OF THIS. MISS BLAIR, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES, I BELIEVE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. BEFORE I EVEN START, I WANT TO SAY THAT THIS WAS SO MUCH INFORMATION. I COULDN'T EVEN GET TO THE THE HOMELESSNESS POLICY PIECE THAT WE SO DESPERATELY NEEDED TO DISCUSS BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT IN THE TIME THAT I HAVE. SO HERE I'M GOING TO START OFF WITH. NOW WE KEEP SAYING NATURALLY AFFORDABLE. HERE'S MY DEFINITION OF NATURALLY AFFORDABLE IN HOMES. OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE RESIDENTS ARE OVER THE AGE OF 65, THEY DON'T PAY TAXES. AND HERE IS MY DEFINITION FOR NATURALLY AFFORDABLE FOR APARTMENTS. OLDER APARTMENTS WHO CAN'T CHARGE THE $1,400 A MONTH. THAT APARTMENT THAT IS LIGHTTECH WOULD CHARGE. SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING. SO ALL OF THESE ARE JUST MISNOMERS. YOU GUYS ARE SPITTING OUT STUFF THAT MAKE THAT WITH NO NO DETAIL BEHIND IT. THAT IS NOT REALLY CONSTRUCTIVE TO WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GO. SO LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION IN DISTRICT EIGHT, HOW MANY HFC AND PFC APARTMENTS DO I HAVE AND WHAT ARE THEIR AGES AND DISTRICT EIGHT HOW MANY LIGHT TECH PROJECTS DO I HAVE AND WHAT ARE THEIR AGES? WHEN YOU SAY DEED RESTRICTIONS, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? SO YOU GUYS ARE SAYING STUFF THAT MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO ME BECAUSE THERE'S NO DETAIL BEHIND IT. [04:35:09] YOU GAVE A LOT OF DETAIL, WHICH WHICH IS AT AN EXTREMELY HIGH LEVEL, AND I'M IN THE WEEDS. I WANT TO BE IN THE WEEDS AND YOU GUYS CAN'T GET ME THERE. CAN CAN I JUMP IN FOR JUST A SECOND? AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. COUNCILWOMAN BLAIR, BECAUSE I WANT TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING THAT WE SAID PREVIOUSLY THAT I THINK IS GOING TO BE TRULY HELPFUL. WE UNDERSTAND THAT EVERY SINGLE COUNCIL DISTRICT IS DIFFERENT WHEN IT COMES TO THE CURRENT MIX THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE RIGHT NOW WITH HOUSING AND THE WAYS THAT YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT IT AS IT RELATES TO SOME KEY ATTRIBUTES OF YOUR RESPECTIVE DISTRICTS. AND SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO, AND I SAID IT IN THE VERY BEGINNING, BUT I'M GOING TO GO BACK OVER IT AGAIN BECAUSE I THINK IT'S HELPFUL. WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE APPROACH GOING FORWARD IS THAT WE'VE GOT TO GET ON THE GROUND IN THE INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS, BETTER UNDERSTAND THOSE NEEDS, SO WE CREATE THE FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO DELIVER THE TYPE OF HOUSING, THE, THE, THE TYPES OF PROGRAMS AROUND THAT HOUSING THAT HELPS MOVE THOSE SPECIFIC DISTRICTS FORWARD. SO. BEYOND TODAY'S CONVERSATION, WE WANT AN OPPORTUNITY. THIS TEAM HAS TALKED ABOUT HOW WE NEED TO COME AND BE MORE AT THE TABLE WITH YOU. WITH THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDING THOSE UNIQUE NEEDS AND THEN MAKING SURE THAT WHATEVER POLICY FRAMEWORK THAT THE COUNCIL PROVIDES, IT GIVES US THAT FLEXIBILITY TO WHERE IT'S NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL, BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD NOT ONLY FROM COUNCILWOMAN STEWART, WE KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE SEE IN COUNCIL MEMBER MIDDLETON'S DISTRICT THAT I HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TOUR, THAT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE FROM KIND OF A TAILORED APPROACH VERSUS AN OVERARCHING APPROACH, BUT STILL BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT EVEN HOW THAT TAILORING WILL HELP US MEET THOSE OVERALL GOALS. AND SO I WANT THE COUNCIL TO KNOW THAT THAT IS OUR COMMITMENT, AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND WE KNOW WE CAN'T GET ALL OF THAT BREAK DOWN DETAIL IN THIS CONVERSATION TODAY. THAT'S WHAT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY. WE HAVE THAT DATA, AND WE THINK IT WILL BE EVEN MORE HELPFUL AS WE GET THE FRAMEWORK DONE, BECAUSE WE WANT PEOPLE TO NOT ONLY WANT TO LIVE IN OUR CITY, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN OUR CITY NOW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE TO AFFORD TO BE IN DALLAS. THAT'S WHY WE'RE CALLING IT DALLAS IS HOME. SO LET ME ALSO SAY THIS. THERE WAS A STATEMENT. WELL, WHEN IT COMES TO, I APPRECIATE THE FACT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO AFFORDABLE, I'M NOT AFFORDABLE, BUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS, I HAVE A RULE IN MOST OF THE DEVELOPERS ABIDE BY THAT RULE. YOU COME TO ME FIRST BEFORE YOU COME TO YOU. IT. THERE ARE SO MANY PROJECTS THAT ARE STILL ON THE FLOOR BECAUSE THEY CAME TO ME FIRST AND THEY NEVER GOT SEEN AT THE END, AND WE NEVER WASTED THE TIME AT THE HORSESHOE HAVING TO DENY A CASE BECAUSE IT WAS DENIED UP FRONT. SO I THANK YOU FOR THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT, AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE OF THAT. WELL THANK YOU. WE'RE CODIFYING THAT IN THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE TO, TO SAY DEVELOPERS HAVE TO COME TO YOU FOR LIGHTTECH AND FOR PFC AND HFC BECAUSE THERE'S NO GUIDANCE ON THAT RIGHT NOW. IT'S JUST A PRACTICE. AND WITHOUT WRITING IT DOWN, IT BECOMES SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE COULD FORGET OR SKIP. AND SO WE WROTE IT DOWN AND JUST AND LIKEWISE, I TALKED TO YOU GUYS BEFORE I TALKED TO IF THEY'VE OPENED THE PROCESS. I DON'T, I WILL NOT SUPPORT A TWO THIRDS VOTE WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE A MAJORITY. A MAJORITY RULES IN. I WOULD HATE FOR YOU TO SEE THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO A TWO THIRDS VOTE. IN ORDER TO SAY YES TO SOMETHING OR NO TO SOMETHING WHEN WE WE ALREADY HAVE THAT. RIGHT. THANKS. YOU DID YOUR. YOU'VE COME SO FAR, SO FAST, SO FAST. YOU REALLY HAVE LAURA CADENA. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO SAY, LIKE IN THE HFC AND THE PFC PROCESS. I DEFINITELY AM GLAD YOU ALL ARE GETTING OUR INPUT. I REMEMBER WE HAD A PROJECT UP IN NORTHWEST DALLAS THAT HAD SOME ISSUES BECAUSE IT WAS AN INDUSTRIAL AREA, BUT THE COMMUNITY REALLY, REALLY WANTED IT. AND SO IT ENDED UP PASSING AND IT WAS A GOOD THING. BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING WE DEFINITELY NEEDED TO, YOU KNOW, BE AWARE OF AND KNOW. BUT IT'S ALSO GOOD TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY INPUT IN THERE. SO I THINK IS THERE, IF THERE'S A WAY TO HAVE THAT AS A PART OF THE PROCESS AS WELL. AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS SOMETIMES WHEN WE GET PROJECTS THAT COME OUR WAY, WE DON'T HAVE MUCH INFORMATION ABOUT THE AREA WHERE IT'S GOING. I WOULDN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, AT MY FINGERTIPS MAYBE WHERE THE LIGHTTECH IS, WHERE IF THERE'S ANOTHER PFC PROGRAM OR HFC. [04:40:01] SO I THINK JUST TO EVEN HAVE SOME BASIC INFORMATION BEFORE SOMEONE COMES OUR WAY IS ALSO OR IS AT LEAST BENEFICIAL TO ME, I THINK EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER IS DIFFERENT. SO I HEARD MISS BLAIR LIKES TO SPEAK TO THEM FIRST. BUT I THINK PART OF THAT IS MAYBE HAVING A CONVERSATION AND GETTING TO KNOW THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS AS WELL. SO THAT'S SOME INPUT, BUT I DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR OUR FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, RIGHT? TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS A GREAT NEED FOR THAT. SO THERE DOES HAVE TO BE A BALANCE THERE. WITH ALL OF THAT. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR WORK. I KNOW THAT THOR, YOU ALWAYS COME AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE APPOINTMENTS WITH ME AND GIVE ME SOME GOOD INFORMATION SO THAT I CAN MAKE GOOD DECISIONS AS WELL AND PROVIDE INPUT WHEN I NEED IT. SO I APPRECIATE YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN IT COMES TO PFC AND HFC, I MEAN, THAT'S THE THAT'S R AND KENTO'S ROLE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE ALL INFORMED THAT MAYBE A DEVELOPER HAS TALKED TO THEM TO GET IT IN FRONT OF YOU. AND ALSO IN THE GUIDANCE IS DEPENDING ON YOU AND YOUR DISTRICT, YOU MAY SAY YOU NEED TO DO SOME MORE COMMUNITY INPUT OR NEED BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIAL. AND SO WE WROTE THAT IN TOO, BECAUSE IT IS REALLY ABOUT YOUR INITIAL SUPPORT AND THEN UNDERSTANDING THAT AT LARGE. AND SO AS WE WORK ON HAVING DISTRICT LEVEL SORT OF DATA AND UNDERSTANDING, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO KNOW WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE, WHAT'S IN THE PIPELINE, WHAT THIS MIGHT DO. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE MOVING FORWARD FORWARD IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. MR. ROTH, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE VERY QUICKLY. THESE HFC AND PFC ARE TWO SEPARATE CORPORATIONS. I THINK THAT TO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE STAFF AS A BOARD MEMBER IS INAPPROPRIATE. I WOULD BE AGAINST THAT. I THINK THAT ANY NEW DEVELOPMENTS IN THE BYLAWS FOR THESE SHOULD REQUIRE A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING OR COMMUNITY INPUT SESSION AS PART OF THAT PROCESS, ALONG WITH ACTIVE ATTENTION BY THE COUNCIL PEOPLE. AND LAST, I THINK BECAUSE THE PFC AND HFC ARE REALLY HAVE A DIFFERENT MISSION IN TERMS OF PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING ANY REVENUE RELATED ISSUES NEED TO COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL. WE NEED TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR, FOR ANY KIND OF REVENUE ISSUES. AND MY TIME IS UP. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN WEST RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE. THANK YOU MAYOR. AND I APPRECIATE THE COLLEAGUES WHO CHIMED IN ON THE PFC, HFC BYLAWS. I JUST WANT TO END THIS WITH A QUOTE THAT I'M GOING TO STEAL THE MAYOR'S QUOTE AGAIN FROM HIS TESTIMONY TO THE SENATE. KEEP IN MIND, GOVERNMENT ITSELF IS NOT AN EFFECTIVE HOUSING DEVELOPER. BUT WHAT GOVERNMENT CAN DO IS STEP ASIDE, CUT THE RED TAPE, AND ENCOURAGE THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO BUILD MORE HOMES FASTER. AND I THINK THAT DOVETAILS WELL INTO US NOT ADDING ADDITIONAL HURDLES INTO THIS PROCESS. WE, AS A COUNCIL WITH THE MAJORITY VOTE CAN STILL APPROVE OR DENY THESE DEALS. ADDING AN ADDITIONAL THRESHOLD OF GOING UP TO TWO THIRDS FOR A VOTE SENDS A MESSAGE TO THE MARKET THAT WE ARE REALLY NOT INTERESTED IN SEEING ANY OF YOUR DEALS. AND IT TAKES AWAY THE OPTIONS FROM COUNCIL. MEMBERS. THAT'S MY CONCERN WITH THIS. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN JOHNSON, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUOTE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING CLEAR. AS I WAS LOOKING AT MY NOTES HERE, JUST GO BACK. I SUPPORT AS A MAJORITY. I DO NOT SUPPORT THE TWO THIRDS AS AS MY COLLEAGUES ARE SAYING, WE HAVE THAT RIGHT ALREADY. WE HAVE THE MAJORITY. SO I DON'T LIKE GIVING MY POWER AWAY WHEN WE CAN MAKE THOSE DECISIONS HERE AT THE HORSESHOE. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M ON THE RECORD. CLEAN IT UP. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION OR COMMENT TO OUR DISTINGUISHED PANEL WHO'S BEEN SO PATIENT? AND YOU GUYS ARE REAL REAL PATRIOTS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING THERE FOR US ALL DAY TODAY. AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A REALLY GREAT, GREAT PANEL. SO WITH THAT, MADAM, I'LL THROW IT BACK TO YOU TO RELEASE YOUR PANEL AND MOVE ON. BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY PERSONALLY, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. MAYOR. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ITEM B, BRIEFING B, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING THAT BACK ON APRIL 15TH. AND THEN THE THE PLANNED ACTION. WE'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT TO APRIL THE 22ND. WE DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL COMPONENTS OF THAT THAT WE WANTED TO COMPLETELY FINE TUNE. IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT TODAY'S BRIEFING THAT WE HAD PLANNED, IF THERE'S ANY INPUT THAT YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE US, PLEASE DO SO, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING BACK ITEM B ON APRIL 15TH AND THEN HAVE THE ACTION MOVED TO APRIL 22ND. SO WITH THAT SOUNDS GOOD. SO WITH THAT WE'D LIKE TO GO. WE'D LIKE TO JUMP RIGHT INTO THE LAST BRIEFING, WHICH IS BRIEFING ITEM NUMBER C. [04:45:05] THIS WILL BE THIS IS OUR FIRST PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE FISCAL 2728 BIENNIAL BUDGET. OUR BUDGET CONVERSATIONS AT CITY COUNCIL TYPICALLY BEGIN WITH MAY AND JUNE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN THIS CURRENT CALENDAR IS THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL BUDGET WORKSHOP, AND THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR US TO START TALKING ABOUT OUR PLANNING FOR THE BUDGET A LOT SOONER. SO WITH THAT, WE'RE COMING TODAY FOR A EARLY INTENTIONAL DISCUSSION. THIS ONE IS DESIGNED TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY THAT THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS. HOLD ON ONE SECOND, GUYS. WE'RE STILL ON THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL MEETING. BILL ROTH AND TAMMY PALOMINO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT Y'ALL THINK THIS IS. YES, BUT WE'RE STILL HAVING A MEETING HERE. YOU GUYS TAKE YOUR SIDEBARS TO THE BAR. BAR? ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. FOR YOU. THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. MAYOR. SO TODAY, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU A LOT OF INFORMATION. WE WANT TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET YOUR YOUR THOUGHTS AROUND A LOT OF THE GOALS AND THE PRIORITIES THAT WE WANT TO HAVE. INPUT FROM YOU. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT IN LIVE REAL TIME TODAY, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING FOR YOU AS WE SEND YOU SOME QUESTIONS AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE QUESTIONS IN THE DECK, BUT WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY SEND THOSE TO YOU AND GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEND BACK THOSE RESPONSES. IT'S REALLY GOING TO ALLOW FOR US AS WE GO INTO THE BUDGET PLANNING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT WITH SOME GUIDANCE UP FRONT. AND WE THINK THAT LAST YEAR THAT WAS PART OF WHAT YOU ASKED US TO COME BACK AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR PROCESS GAVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY ON THE FRONT END TO GIVE MORE GUIDANCE. SO WHEN YOU GET THE CITY MANAGER'S PROPOSED BUDGET IN AUGUST, THAT IT IS REFLECTIVE OF THAT GENERAL GUIDANCE THAT YOU'VE GIVEN IN THE VERY BEGINNING. AND AT THAT POINT, WE HAVE A BETTER DISCUSSION AROUND ANY POTENTIAL MODIFICATIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE. SO UNDERSTANDING WHAT THOSE THOSE KEY GOALS AND PRIORITIES ARE REALLY DOES HELP OUR TEAM. WE INTRODUCED PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING. AND YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, WE'VE GOT TO GO TO THAT NEXT STAGE OF PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING, WHICH IS A CORE COMPONENT OF THE WAY WE WILL BE PLANNING FOR FY 2628. AND SO TODAY WE WILL NOT DISCUSS UPDATED REVENUE EXPENSE FORECASTS. AND WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET INTO SHORTFALL DISCUSSIONS. WE WILL BE BACK MAY 6TH 86 AND JUNE 17TH TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU MORE DETAILS AROUND THE BUDGET. SO TODAY IT'S ABOUT ESTABLISHING KIND OF THE FRAMEWORK, GIVING YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW WHAT THOSE QUESTIONS ARE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING YOU TO RESPOND TO US LATER. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE MOVE INTO THIS SECOND PHASE OF PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING THAT WE UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE FOCUS EFFORTS THAT YOU WANT US TO HAVE AROUND LOOKING AT SOME OF OUR PROGRAMS. AND THEN WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PROCESS CONTINUES TO EVOLVE AND MAKE IT BENEFICIAL FOR YOU GOING FORWARD. AND IT'S NOT REACTIVE. IT'S THE PROACTIVE COMMUNICATION. IT'S THE UPFRONT CONSENSUS. SO IN AUGUST, WE CAN SPEND MORE TIME MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE CHECKED ALL THE BOXES. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO OUR CFO JACK IRELAND. HE'S GOING TO BEGIN THE PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR YOUR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH, JACK. THANK YOU, MISS TOLBERT. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JACK IRELAND, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, JOINED WITH JANETTE WEEDEN, DIRECTOR OF BUDGET MANAGEMENT SERVICES, AND SUZANNE ZIEMAN ASSISTANT DIRECTOR AND BUDGET MANAGEMENT SERVICES. SO WITH KIM'S INTRODUCTION, I WILL GO AHEAD AND JUST JUMP RIGHT IN. ON SLIDE TWO THE PURPOSE OR THE OVERVIEW OF OUR PRESENTATION MISS WIEDEN AND I WILL TRADE OFF BACK AND FORTH THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AS WE GO THROUGH DISCUSSING THE PURPOSE OF TODAY GOING OVER A FINANCIAL OVERVIEW, DISCUSS TRANSFORMING THE BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, DISCUSSION OF OUR GOALS AND PRIORITIES, AND THEN OUR NEXT STEPS. SO ON SLIDE THREE WHY ARE WE HERE? WELL, THE PURPOSE OF TODAY'S MEETING WAS TO IDENTIFY CONSENSUS AND ACHIEVE A GENERAL AGREEMENT ON POLICY DIRECTION TO SEEK CITY COUNCIL'S INPUT ON DIRECTION FOR THE UPCOMING GENERAL FUND BUDGET. WE WANTED TO RECEIVE YOUR INPUT TODAY BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT AS WE PREPARE A BUDGET, THERE'S DEFINITELY TRADE OFFS. WHEN EVERYTHING IS A PRIORITY, NOTHING IS A PRIORITY. AND SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO TALK THROUGH TO IDENTIFY THE PRIORITIES AND THE GOALS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. ON SLIDE FIVE, ALTHOUGH MISS TOLBERT MENTIONED THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO INTO REVENUES AND EXPENSES OR A SHORTFALL TODAY, WE DID WANT TO GO AHEAD AND PUT SOME NUMBERS ON THE PAGE FOR YOU. THIS IS JUST A REMINDER THOUGH. THESE ARE NOT NEW NUMBERS. THESE NUMBERS ARE ACTUALLY FROM YOUR BUDGET DOCUMENT THAT YOU RECEIVED LAST YEAR. THIS IS JUST THE SECOND YEAR OF OUR PLANNED BIENNIAL, AND THAT IS OUR STARTING POINT FOR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. [04:50:05] WHAT YOU'LL SEE ON SLIDE FIVE IS THE TOTAL BUDGET FOR FY 27 ANNUAL BUDGET, $5.4 BILLION. IT'S BROKEN DOWN BETWEEN OUR OPERATING BUDGET AND OUR CAPITAL BUDGET, WITH THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET BEING JUST OVER $2 BILLION AS IT IS CURRENTLY PLANNED FOR NEXT YEAR. IT IS CURRENTLY BALANCED WITH REVENUE AND EXPENSES EQUAL TO EACH OTHER FOR THE PLANNED BUDGET. HOWEVER, WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO AS WE REVIEW THE REVENUES AND EXPENSES. THEY WILL CHANGE BEFORE WE PRESENT TO YOU IN AUGUST. A BALANCED BUDGET. SO THIS IS JUST OUR STARTING POINT ON SLIDE SIX. YOU'LL SEE A COUPLE OF YEARS OF ACTUAL REVENUES, OUR CURRENT YEAR BUDGET FORECAST AND THEN THE PLANNED BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 27. SLIDE SIX SHOWS THE GENERAL FUND REVENUES THE REVENUES FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR TOTAL AGAIN JUST OVER $2 BILLION. THE BUDGET IS MADE UP PRIMARILY OF PROPERTY TAX AND SALES TAX FROM A REVENUE PERSPECTIVE. AND ON SLIDE SEVEN YOU'LL SEE THE EXPENSE SIDE OF THE BUDGET FOR THE GENERAL FUND, AGAIN BALANCED FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR AT $2.5 BILLION. AND THIS IS BROKEN DOWN BY CATEGORIES INCLUDING PERSONNEL, SERVICES, SUPPLIES, CONTRACTS, CAPITAL OUTLAY AND REIMBURSEMENTS ON THE NEXT SLIDE. JUST GOING THROUGH QUICKLY. SLIDE EIGHT. IS THAT GENERAL FUND BUDGET BY DEPARTMENT, EXPENSES BY DEPARTMENT, AND SO ON. SLIDE EIGHT YOU WILL SEE THEM SORTED IN THE ORDER. I'M SORRY MR. IRELAND. THE SLIDES ARE NOT ON THE SCREEN. AND SO I'M WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT IF WE'RE HAVING A TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY. CAN YOU HOLD ON FOR JUST A SECOND? OKAY. MR. ALLEN, IF YOU COULD GET THEM TO GET TO WHERE YOU ARE. YEAH. THE SLIDES NEVER CAME UP. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. I'LL STEP BACK. JUST A COUPLE OF SLIDES TO SLIDE FIVE ONE. SLIDE FIVE. GO BACK ONE. SO AGAIN, JUST NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. THIS IS WHAT WAS IN YOUR CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET DOCUMENT. IT IS THE PLAN BUDGET FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR. TOTAL OF $5 BILLION WITH 2 BILLION IN THE GENERAL FUND. AND AGAIN, THIS WAS IN YOUR BUDGET DOCUMENT LAST SUMMER. FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR, OUR PLANNED YEAR, SECOND YEAR OF THE BIENNIAL. THESE NUMBERS WILL CHANGE AS WE WORK OVER THE NEXT FOUR MONTHS TO BRING YOU A BALANCED BUDGET IN AUGUST. ON SLIDE SIX, AGAIN, THE REVENUES FOR THE GENERAL FUND, THE PLANNED YEAR FOR FISCAL 27, BASED ON OUR PRELIMINARY WORK LAST SUMMER. 2 BILLION, $50 MILLION OF REVENUE, PRIMARILY COMING FROM PROPERTY TAX AND SALES TAX. YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT COMPARES TO THE LAST TWO YEARS OF ACTUALS IN THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET AND FORECAST. AND THEN ON SLIDE SEVEN IS THE EXPENSES FOR THE GENERAL FUND BY CATEGORY OF PERSONNEL, SERVICES, SUPPLIES, CONTRACTS, CAPITAL OUTLAY AND REIMBURSEMENTS. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THE EXPENSES DO CURRENTLY EQUAL THE REVENUE FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR. BUT AGAIN, ALL OF THAT IS BEING REVIEWED OVER THE NEXT FOUR MONTHS WHEN WE BRING IT BACK TO YOU IN AUGUST. ON SLIDE EIGHT, YOU'LL SEE THE GENERAL FUND EXPENSES BY DEPARTMENT STARTING WITH THEIR SORTED BY ORDER OF SIZE OF THEIR BUDGET. DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT IS OBVIOUSLY OUR LARGEST GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENT WITH $800 MILLION. THAT IS ABOUT 40% OF THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET, FOLLOWED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS REPRESENTS ABOUT 23% OF OUR BUDGET. AND THEN OTHER DEPARTMENTS LISTED THE LAST ROW ON SLIDE EIGHT SHOWS ALL OTHER DEPARTMENTS. IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 69 THROUGH 72, AT A LATER TIME IN THE APPENDIX, YOU'LL SEE THOSE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. WE JUST SUMMARIZED ALL OF THOSE SMALLER DEPARTMENTS THAT TOGETHER TOTAL 5% OF THE GENERAL FUND, BUT THOSE ARE IN THE APPENDIX IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT. SLIDE NINE. ALSO, THIS IS FROM THE CURRENT BUDGET DOCUMENT, PAGE 92. IT IS OUR FIVE YEAR FORECAST. WE SHOW THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET FISCAL YEAR 26. IT WAS BALANCED FISCAL YEAR 27 BECAUSE IT WAS THE SECOND YEAR OF THE BIENNIAL. IT IS ALSO BALANCED PRELIMINARILY AND THEN THE OUTER THREE YEARS ARE NOT BALANCED. REVENUES ARE NOT KEEPING UP WITH EXPENSES. SO ON SLIDE TEN, 11 AND 12, I'M GOING TO JUST TALK THROUGH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IN OUR OUTLOOKS STARTING ON PAGE TEN. AGAIN, FISCAL YEAR 27 IS PRELIMINARILY BALANCED. [04:55:02] IT IS NOT STRUCTURALLY BALANCED. WE DO HAVE SOME NON-RECURRING REVENUES THAT ALLOWED US TO BE ABLE TO BALANCE FISCAL YEAR 27. WE WILL NEED TO ADDRESS THOSE THIS SUMMER. REVENUES CONTINUE TO GROW. HOWEVER REVENUES ARE NOT GROWING AT THE SAME PACE AS EXPENSES. THEY'RE NOT KEEPING UP WITH EXPENSES. WE'VE TALKED BEFORE WITH COUNCIL ABOUT THE TEXAS PROPERTY TAX REFORM AND TRANSPARENCY ACT OF 2019. THAT CAPS OUR PROPERTY TAX REVENUE GROWTH TO 3.5%. THAT IS ONE OF THE FACTORS THAT ALWAYS CHALLENGES US AS WE PUT THE BUDGET TOGETHER, AND THE SITUATIONS WE FACE ARE NOT UNIQUE TO DALLAS. CITIES ACROSS THE STATE HAVE ALL THE SAME CHALLENGES WE DO. AS FAR AS THE CAP ON THE REVENUE, EVERYONE IS EXPERIENCING A TURN DOWNWARD IN THEIR SALES TAX THIS YEAR. SO WHAT WE EXPERIENCED IS BEING EXPERIENCED ACROSS THE STATE ON SLIDE 11, JUST CONTINUING OUR OUTLOOK. CONSUMER CONFIDENCE HAS DECLINED BY ABOUT 7% OVER THE LAST YEAR. THERE CONTINUES TO BE DEEP CONCERN ABOUT INFLATION, HIGH ENERGY PRICES, WEAKENING LABOR MARKET, AND THAT WILL IMPACT OUR SALES TAX. AS THERE IS A WEAKER CONSUMER CONFIDENCE, THERE'S LESS MONEY BEING PUT INTO THE ECONOMY AND WE WILL SEE A SLOWDOWN. INFLATION IS SLIGHTLY ELEVATED AND THE FEDERAL RESERVE, AT LEAST AT THIS POINT, HAS KEPT INTEREST RATES UNCHANGED BECAUSE OF THE EXPECTED RISING INFLATION. UNEMPLOYMENT IS RELATIVELY FLAT, BUT THE ECONOMY CONTINUES TO SHIFT FOR US FROM REVENUE GROWTH TO REVENUE CONSTRAINTS. AND WE KNOW THAT THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE CONTINUES TO BE INTERESTED IN CITY FINANCES, EITHER THROUGH FURTHER LIMITATIONS TO OUR REVENUE GROWTH OR EVEN TO OUR EXPENSE ALLOWANCE EACH YEAR. SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THOSE THINGS. CONTINUING ON SLIDES 12 AND 13, A LITTLE MORE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE FACING AND WHY I KNOW THE NUMBERS THAT WERE ON PREVIOUS SLIDES WILL CHANGE BEFORE WE COME BACK IN AUGUST. FROM A REVENUE PERSPECTIVE, OVERALL PROPERTY VALUES ARE EXPECTED TO GROW, BUT WE'RE NOT SURE THEY'RE GOING TO GROW AT THE PACE WE PLANNED OR THOUGHT THAT THEY WOULD GROW IN THE PLANNED BUDGET, WE THOUGHT THAT THE PROPERTY VALUES WOULD GROW BY 5%. BUT IF WE LOOK BACK TO LAST YEAR, PROPERTY VALUES ONLY GREW BY 5.3 AND SO WE ARE EXPECTING THEM TO SLOW. I'M JUST NOT SURE HOW MUCH THEY'RE GOING TO SLOW. WE WILL START GETTING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM THE APPRAISAL DISTRICTS IN MID-MAY. WE MONITOR THAT INFORMATION DAILY THROUGH THE SUMMER UNTIL WE HAVE A CERTIFIED ROLL IN JULY. IN THE LITTLE TABLE ON THE TOP RIGHT OF SLIDE 12, JUST FOR INFORMATION. THIS IS FROM LAST YEAR. I WAS ACTUALLY REALLY SURPRISED WHEN I SAW COLLIN AND DENTON LAST JULY HAD SUCH LIMITED GROWTH. AND SO IT'S JUST CONCERNING ON WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THOSE COUNTIES AND FOR DALLAS COUNTY THIS YEAR. THIS IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PARTS OF THE CITY OF DALLAS THAT ARE IN EACH OF THOSE FOUR COUNTIES. HOWEVER, COLLIN AND DENTON ONLY MAKE UP ABOUT 4.5% OF OUR OVERALL VALUE, SO IT'S NOT AS CONCERNING AS IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT HAPPENS IN DALLAS. FOR SALES TAX, WHICH AGAIN REPRESENTS 24% OF OUR REVENUE. WE HAVE THIS YEAR SEEN A SLOWDOWN. WE BUDGETED FOR THE CURRENT YEAR ANTICIPATING THAT SALES TAX WOULD GROW AT 4.6%. WE ARE GOING TO UPDATE OUR FORECAST IN OUR NEXT BUDGET ACCOUNTABILITY REPORT TO SHOW FORECAST OF ONLY 3.3% GROWTH. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE OF TIMES WITH FINANCE COMMITTEE OR OTHERS THAT SALES TAX THIS FIRST FOUR MONTHS OF THE FISCAL YEAR. WE ARE BEHIND BY $5 MILLION. SO WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REDUCE OUR FORECAST FOR THE CURRENT YEAR, WHICH WILL OBVIOUSLY THEREFORE IMPACT OUR FORECAST FOR NEXT YEAR, BECAUSE WE HAD FORECAST THAT SALES TAX WOULD GROW ANOTHER 5%. I NOW ONLY THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE 3.3% GROWTH IN THE CURRENT YEAR. THEREFORE, 5% MAY NOT BE ATTAINABLE FOR FISCAL YEAR 27. ON SLIDE 13, YOU'LL SEE FOR THE GENERAL FUND SOME OF OUR EXPENSE DRIVERS AND CHALLENGES THAT WE ARE FACING AS WE PREPARE THE NUMBERS AGAIN TODAY. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET INTO THE NUMBERS. I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A FLAVOR OF WHAT TO EXPECT WHEN WE COME BACK IN MAY AND JUNE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE CHALLENGED WITH. UNIFORM PENSION CONTINUES TO BE A COST DRIVER FOR US. THE MEET AND CONFER AGREEMENT WITH POLICE AND FIRE UNIFORM EMPLOYEES WILL BE AN ISSUE. WE ONLY HAVE A ONE YEAR AGREEMENT, SO WE WILL BE WORKING WITH CHIEF ARTISTS AND THE ASSOCIATIONS AGAIN THIS SPRING AND SUMMER TO BRING A NEW MEET AND CONFER AGREEMENT. POLICE HIRING, WE KNOW, CONTINUES TO BE A PRIORITY OF COUNCIL, WITH A PLAN OF HIRING 400 OFFICERS NEXT YEAR. [05:00:06] CIVILIAN PENSION THE SAME AS DALLAS POLICE AND FIRE PENSION. WE DO HAVE ANTICIPATED INCREASES THEIR EMPLOYEE HEALTH BENEFITS. NATIONWIDE, THOSE COSTS ARE GOING UP. THEY'RE GOING UP IN DALLAS. WE'RE EXPECTING OVER AN 8% INCREASE IN EMPLOYEE HEALTH BENEFITS. LIVING WAGE FOR CITY EMPLOYEES AND CONTRACT EMPLOYEES CONTINUES TO BE A CHALLENGE. WE'VE TALKED RECENTLY A LOT ABOUT DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO APPROACH THAT GOING FORWARD. TECHNOLOGY OBVIOUSLY IS, IS A GROWING EXPENSE IN OUR BUDGET. AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO TRY TO MAKE THOSE INVESTMENTS WHERE WE CAN. FUEL OF COURSE, IS GOING UP. YOU SEE THAT AT THE PUMP YOURSELF THAT WILL IMPACT THE CITY OF DALLAS. WE HAVE A LOT OF VEHICLES ON THE ROAD EVERY SINGLE DAY FROM SQUAD CARS AND SANITATION VEHICLES FIRE TRUCKS, ETC.. SO FUEL WILL BE AN IMPACT. WE ARE ALREADY AWARE OF SOME POSSIBILITY FOR SOME REDUCTIONS IN FEDERAL FUNDING TO THE CITY. AND SO WE WILL HAVE TO BE LOOKING AT WHETHER WE ABSORB SOME OF THOSE COSTS IN THE GENERAL FUND, OR ARE THOSE PROGRAMS THAT WE WOULD CHOOSE TO NO LONGER FUND? AND THEN JUST THE OVERALL ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY THAT I MENTIONED ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE WITH INFLATION, TARIFFS, SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES, ETC.. SO WHILE THE BUDGET FOR THE PLANNED YEAR THAT STARTS ON OCTOBER 1ST WAS PRELIMINARILY BALANCED BECAUSE OF THE CHALLENGES, WE WILL CHANGE THE NUMBERS. THEY ALL HAVE TO BE UPDATED. AND WE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES THAT WE WILL WORK THROUGH OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS. BEFORE WE COME BACK TO YOU WITH A BALANCED BUDGET IN AUGUST. SO I'M GOING TO TURN TO MISS WEEDEN FOR A FEW PAGES AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE. THANK YOU, MR. IRELAND. SO TRANSFORMING THE BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. SO PRIOR TO FISCAL YEAR 26, THE ANNUAL BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS HERE AT THE CITY RELIED ON THE INCREMENTAL BUDGETING APPROACH. AND SO UNDER THIS METHOD, THE CURRENT CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET SERVED AS THE FOUNDATION FOR THE NEXT YEAR'S SPENDING PLAN. THE PROCESS REALLY FOCUSED ON ADJUSTING THE EXISTING BUDGET RATHER THAN REEVALUATING PROGRAMS AND ALIGNING OUR SPENDING TO THOSE PROGRAMS AND PRIORITIES. THIS APPROACH OF INCREMENTAL BUDGETING WORKS WELL IN AN ENVIRONMENT OF REVENUE GROWTH AND PREDICTABILITY. HOWEVER, INCREMENTAL BUDGETING IS NO LONGER SUSTAINABLE IN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT OF DECLINING REVENUES, FIXED COSTS, AND INCREASING FINANCIAL PRESSURES. OUR NEW NORMAL REQUIRES A MORE DYNAMIC APPROACH THAT EVALUATES GOALS, PRIORITIES, OUTCOMES, TRADE OFFS, RATHER THAN SIMPLY CARING FOR PAST SPENDING PATTERNS. THE GOAL IS TO BUILD A BUDGET THAT IS NOT ONLY BALANCED, BUT IT'S SUSTAINABLE AND IT'S ALIGNED WITH COUNCIL GOALS AND PRIORITIES AND RESIDENT PRIORITIES. STAFF REVIEWED SEVERAL WIDELY USED BUDGETING METHODOLOGIES TO DETERMINE WHICH APPROACH BEST MEETS THE CITY'S CURRENT NEEDS. THOSE COMMON PRACTICES INCLUDE THE INCREMENTAL BUDGETING APPROACH THAT I TALKED ABOUT. ZERO BASED BUDGETING. BUDGETING FOR OUTCOMES, WHICH WAS USED HERE AT THE CITY OF DALLAS IN YEARS PAST, AND THEN PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING. THROUGH THIS EVALUATION, IT BECAME CLEAR THAT THE CITY NEEDED AN APPROACH THAT IMPROVED THE VISIBILITY INTO DEPARTMENTAL BUDGETS. AND SO IT ALSO NEEDED AN APPROACH THAT IMPROVED RESOURCE ALLOCATION AS WELL AS SERVICE DELIVERY. AND SO PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING EMERGED AS A STRONG ALTERNATIVE TO OUR TRADITIONAL INCREMENTAL METHOD. WHILE PB PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING PROVIDES A STRUCTURED STEP BY STEP FRAMEWORK, IT DOES REQUIRE GOALS AND PRIORITIES. THIS CHART HERE ON SLIDE 17 PROVIDES A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON OF THE INCREMENTAL BUDGETING METHOD, AND IT COMPARES IT TO PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING. KEY TAKEAWAYS FROM THIS SLIDE. REALLY THE STARTING POINT OF THE BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS BEGINS WITH REVIEWING THAT INVENTORY OF PROGRAMS AND THEIR FULL COST, NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING AT THE CURRENT YEAR'S ADOPTED BUDGET. THE DECISION DRIVERS, AGAIN IN THIS PROCESS INCLUDES GOALS, PRIORITIES AND PERFORMANCE OUTCOMES. SO WE ARE HERE TODAY TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THOSE GOALS AND PRIORITIES. THE IMPORTANCE OF THE GOALS AND PRIORITIES AND THE LONG TERM FINANCIAL PLANNING AND POLICY ALIGNMENT THAT'S REALLY REQUIRED FOR US TO TRANSITION TO A NEW BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. ON SLIDE NUMBER 18, THIS CHART REFLECTS THE PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING STEPS THAT WE'VE ALREADY GONE GONE THROUGH. THE CURRENT STATUS. AND THEN WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR NEXT STEPS. SO AS MR. IRELAND MENTIONED, WE STARTED THE PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING JOURNEY LAST SUMMER. OUR LAST BUDGET DEVELOPMENT. AND WE IDENTIFIED AN INVENTORY PROGRAMS AND IT BECAME APPARENT TO US THAT WE NEEDED MORE TIME TO FURTHER REFINE [05:05:09] OUR PROGRAMS, FURTHER REFINE OUR COST ALLOCATION, IDENTIFY PERFORMANCE METRICS, AND DO A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK ON ESTABLISHING OUR BASELINE FOR PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING. SO WE SPENT TIME THIS PAST FALL WORKING TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR PROGRAMS WERE WELL DEFINED, NOT TOO VAGUE, OR TOO BROAD. WE CALCULATED THE COST OF EACH PROGRAM, AND WE ALSO IDENTIFIED PERFORMANCE METRICS AND OUTCOMES. AND THEN WE DEVELOPED AN INITIAL PRELIMINARY SCORING CRITERIA TO EVALUATE THOSE PROGRAMS. WE CONVENED A CROSS-DEPARTMENTAL TEAM THAT WORKED TO SCORE THOSE PROGRAMS, AND WE ALSO RELIED ON OUR EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP TEAM TO FURTHER GROUP THOSE PROGRAMS INTO TEARS. A, B, C, AND D AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE IN THE APPENDIX. BUT OUR NEXT STEPS IN THIS PROCESS INCLUDES YOU CAN SEE ON THIS CHART, STEP ONE. AND THEN STEPS EIGHT THROUGH 13. AND SO REALLY STEP ONE IS THE KEY DRIVER OF A SUCCESSFUL PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING PROCESS. WE DO NEED TO ESTABLISH CORE GOALS AND PRIORITIES FOR US TO ALIGN THOSE PROGRAMS TOO. YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE REMAINING STEPS INCLUDE US TAKING THE INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED FROM GOALS AND PRIORITIES, RECONVENING THAT CROSS-DEPARTMENTAL TEAM, SCORING THOSE PROGRAMS, AND THEN DEVELOPING A RECOMMENDED BUDGET TO CITY COUNCIL. AND THAT'S THE TRADE OFF. AND YOU'LL SEE IN STEP 11, THERE'S THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET TO CITY COUNCIL. AND THEN IN STEP 12 THERE'S FEEDBACK FROM CITY COUNCIL. AND THEN IN STEP 13 THERE'S WE RECEIVE YOUR ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK. AND THEN WE COME BACK BEFORE YOU AND BEFORE YOU ADOPT THE FINAL BUDGET. BEFORE WE MOVE AWAY FROM THIS SLIDE, I DO WANT TO JUST MENTION THAT WHILE WE ARE SHARING THE PROGRAMS IN THE APPENDIX, I WANT US TO FOCUS ON WHAT REALLY MATTERS. AND THAT'S OUR OVERALL PROCESS AND NOT NECESSARILY THE INDIVIDUAL PROGRAMS. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE PROGRAMS AND IN THE CONTEXT, YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT THEM IN THE CONTEXT OF GOALS AND PRIORITIES AND NOT NECESSARILY WHETHER A PROGRAM IS GOOD OR BAD. SO RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE THE PROGRAMS, BUT REMEMBER, THE FIRST STEP IS TO ESTABLISH CORE GOALS AND PRIORITIES. SO MOVING ON TO KIND OF THAT FIRST STEP OF GOALS AND PRIORITIES. ON SLIDE NUMBER 20, WE TALK ABOUT WHY DO WE NEED TO DO THIS? AND SO REALLY ESTABLISHING CITYWIDE GOALS AND PRIORITIES HELP TO ENSURE THAT RESOURCES ARE ALIGNED WITH THE OUTCOMES THAT CITY COUNCIL CONSENSUS AND THE COMMUNITY EXPECTS AND VALUES. A SUCCESSFUL TRANSITION TO PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING DEPENDS ON HAVING A SHARED UNDERSTANDING AND AGREEMENT ON THOSE CITY WIDE GOALS AND BUDGET PRIORITIES, WITHOUT CLEARLY DEFINED GOALS AND PRIORITIES. THE BUDGET PROCESS DEVOLVES DEFAULTS TO ITS CURRENT REACTIVE MODE, WHERE DECISIONS ARE MADE IN RESPONSE TO SHORT TERM PRESSURES RATHER THAN LONG TERM STRATEGIC NEEDS. THE PHRASE, AS MR. IRELAND MENTIONED, IF EVERYTHING IS A PRIORITY, THEN NOTHING IS A PRIORITY OR WITHOUT PRIORITIES, EVERYTHING FEELS IMPORTANT, SO NOTHING TRULY IS. THIS. THIS PHRASE REALLY CAPTURES THE CORE CHALLENGE. WITHOUT FOCUS, RESOURCES BECOME DILUTED AND THE CITY CANNOT MAKE MEANINGFUL PROGRESS ON WHAT MATTERS. SO WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. THIS WILL NOT BE YOUR TYPICAL COUNCIL CITY COUNCIL SESSION. WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO TODAY IS TO BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT NOT FOCUSING ON THE NUMBERS, BUT REALLY TALK ABOUT HOW DO WE GET TO A CONSENSUS? SO TODAY'S DISCUSSION CENTERS ON THE GOALS. THE BIG BUCKETS IDENTIFY CITYWIDE BUDGET PRIORITIES. PROVIDE DIRECTION FOR YOU TO COME BACK AND PROVIDE DIRECTION ON THE TAX RATE. WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME FISCAL POLICY CONSIDERATIONS. AND THEN ALSO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE YOUR SPECIFIC DISTRICT NEEDS. AND SO AS MR. IRELAND MENTIONED, WHAT WE'RE NOT DOING TODAY IS TALKING ABOUT A REVENUE AND EXPENSE FORECAST. WE WILL WAIT UNTIL MAY 6TH AND JUNE 17TH TO TALK ABOUT THE FINANCIAL CHALLENGES AND THOSE EXPENSE DRIVERS LAYERED IN. REALLY TODAY'S DISCUSSION IS ABOUT CLEAR GUIDANCE ON PRIORITIES, GOALS AND EXPECTATIONS SO THAT STAFF CAN BEGIN BUILDING A BUDGET THAT REFLECTS YOUR GOALS AND PRIORITIES. SO WHAT'S DIFFERENT? ONE KEY SESSION OR ONE KEY DIFFERENCE IS IN TODAY'S SESSION. ON SLIDE NUMBER 22, WE WILL BE PROVIDING YOU WITH INFORMATION SO THAT YOU CAN GO BACK AND HELP US IDENTIFY YOUR [05:10:03] GOALS AND PRIORITIES THROUGH SHARING THOSE BACK TO US. THE PROCESS IS REALLY TO GIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS AN EQUAL VOICE. WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU. AND SO WE WILL BE SHARING QUESTIONS THROUGHOUT THIS PRESENTATION SO THAT YOU CAN START THINKING ABOUT HOW YOU CAN PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO US. MOVING ON TO SLIDE 23. AND SO WHAT WILL WE DO WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVE? SO THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDED BUDGET THAT WILL BE PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL WILL INCLUDE MANY FACTORS, INCLUDING CITY COUNCIL CONSENSUS, THE 2026 COMMUNITY SURVEY. WE DO HAVE A BUDGET PRIORITY SURVEY THAT WE'VE SHARED AT OUR TOWN HALL, TOWN HALL LISTENING SESSIONS. BUT THAT SURVEY WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE THROUGH JUNE. AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM THE TOWN HALL LISTENING SESSIONS AS WELL AS PUBLIC HEARINGS. AND THEN, OF COURSE, PROFESSIONAL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS RELATED TO SERVICE DELIVERY AND THEIR TECHNICAL ASSESSMENT. SO ALL OF THESE INPUTS WILL WORK TOGETHER TO SHAPE A RECOMMENDED BUDGET THAT IS ALIGNED, INFORMED AND RESPONSIVE. SO MOVING ON TO THOSE BIG BUCKETS ON SLIDE NUMBER 25. SO I'M GOING TO START WITH THE FINANCIAL PILLARS. SO EFFECTIVE IN FISCAL YEAR 25. THE CITY LEADERSHIP ESTABLISHED A SET OF FOUNDATIONAL PILLARS AND WE CALL THEM OUR BIG BUCKETS. AND SO THESE BIG BUCKETS GUIDE STAFF IN HOW WE DELIVER SERVICES, MANAGE OPERATIONS AND MAKE DECISIONS ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION. THESE PILLARS ARTICULATE OUR LONG TERM VISION. WE'VE GOT SORT OF THAT STATEMENT THERE WHERE WE WILL BUILD ON A SAFE, VIBRANT AND GROWING DALLAS BY TRANSFORMING OUR FOUNDATIONAL STRUCTURE TO BECOME MORE LIVABLE, SUSTAINABLE AND FISCALLY SOUND. CITY WITH STRONG, STRONG ALLIANCE SYSTEMS AT ITS CORE WHILE SERVING RESIDENTS VISITORS IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. AND THESE PILLARS REALLY SERVE AS THE FRAMEWORK FOR PRIORITIZATION. THEY SUPPORT THE BROADER DIRECTION AND THE VALUES THAT THE CITY HAS SET. ON SLIDE 26, WE'RE SHARING WITH YOU THAT EACH OF THOSE PILLARS INCLUDE A GOAL. AND SO I WON'T READ THESE TO YOU, BUT I WILL MENTION THAT CITY DEPARTMENTS HAVE ALIGNED THEIR DEPARTMENT GOALS AND THEIR DEPARTMENT OBJECTIVES IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE GOALS OF THE FOUNDATIONAL PILLARS. ON SLIDE 27, WE ARE SHOWING WHICH DEPARTMENTS ARE INCLUDED IN THE FOUNDATIONAL PILLARS. THIS QUESTION COMES UP A LOT AND YOU CAN SEE IN SAFE. THERE'S MORE THAN POLICE AND FIRE. AND THEN IN SUSTAINABILITY, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT INCLUDES OUR LARGE ENTERPRISE DEPARTMENTS. AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT OUR INTERNAL SERVICE SUPPORT FUNCTIONS ARE FOUND IN FISCALLY SOUND AND IN CORE. SO THIS GIVES YOU A FRAMEWORK OF THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE FOUNDATIONAL PILLARS. ON SLIDE 28. THIS REFLECTS THE TOTAL FISCAL YEAR PLANNED BUDGET BY A FOUNDATIONAL PILLAR. NOW THIS IS THE TOTAL BUDGET FOR THE CITY THAT INCLUDES ALL ENTERPRISE AND ALL OPERATING CAPITAL FUNDS. THE TOTAL IS 5.39 BILLION. AND YOU CAN SEE ON THIS SLIDE THAT SUSTAINABLE MAKES UP 41% OF THE TOTAL BUDGET. AND THIS IS COMPRISED MAINLY, AGAIN OF OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND OUR INVESTMENTS IN CAPITAL PROJECTS. ON SLIDE NUMBER 29, WE ARE SHARING WITH YOU ON THIS SLIDE THE FOUNDATIONAL, THE, THE, THE FOUNDATIONAL PILLARS FOR THE GENERAL FUND. AND YOU CAN SEE THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET IS 2.11 BILLION. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE GENERAL FUND, THE LARGEST INVESTMENT IS IN SAFE AT 66%. SO AS WE MOVE INTO OUR NEXT PHASE OF DEVELOPING THE BUDGET, WE REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW WELL THE FOUNDATIONAL PILLARS RESONATE WITH COUNCIL. AND SO WE WILL BE ASKING YOU ALL THESE QUESTIONS. SO ON SLIDE 31 FOR EACH OF THE SEVEN PILLARS, HOW IMPORTANT DO YOU CONSIDER THE PILLAR TO BE IMPORTANT TO BE FOR THE CITY AND RESIDENTS? AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL BE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER. WE WILL ALSO BE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER WHICH PILLARS SHOULD BE THE HIGHEST PRIORITY. SO AGAIN, WE'VE SHARED WITH YOU THE PILLARS. AND THEN WE'RE ALSO SHARING WITH YOU THE GOALS. AND SO WE'LL BE ASKING YOU ALL FOR YOUR FEEDBACK. AND SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OUR TURN IT BACK TO MR. IRELAND. THANK YOU. JEANETTE. AND SO MOVING ON TO SLIDE 34. I WILL GO THROUGH AND DISCUSS OUR CITYWIDE COMMUNITY SURVEY AND SET UP FOR FIVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT WE'LL BE ASKING THROUGH THE [05:15:04] POLLING PROCESS. SO WE KNOW THAT ALL CITIES OPERATE THE SAME FOUNDATION, A FUNDAMENTAL CHALLENGE WITH LIMITED RESOURCES IN THE FACE OF UNLIMITED NEEDS AND WANTS. SO WITHOUT THE CLEARLY DEFINED BUDGET PRIORITIES, FUNDING DECISIONS AGAIN CAN BECOME REACTIVE AND FRAGMENTED. SO AS WE CONSIDER THE PATH FORWARD, IT'S ESSENTIAL TO DETERMINE WHETHER WE HAVE ACHIEVED THE ALIGNMENT TO THE PRIORITIES. AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING QUESTIONS RELATED TO. SO ON SLIDE 35, YOU KNOW THAT THE CITY DELIVERS A WIDE ARRAY OF SERVICES, BOTH TRADITIONAL MUNICIPAL SERVICES AS WELL AS THINGS THAT MAY GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THE TRADITIONAL SERVICES THAT A LOT OF CITIES DO PROVIDE. SO IN OUR ENVIRONMENT OF LIMITED RESOURCES, IT'S NECESSARY TO EVALUATE THE RANGE OF SERVICES AS WELL AS HOW WE DELIVER THOSE SERVICES TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE BEING EFFICIENT, EFFECTIVE AND FISCALLY SUSTAINABLE. SO WHILE INDIVIDUAL SERVICES MAY BE PRIORITIES ON THEIR OWN, IT'S ESSENTIAL TO BALANCE THEM WITH THE BROADER PORTFOLIO OF CITY SERVICES. SO AS WE BEGIN TO LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY SURVEY THAT WE USE AS A TOOL IN THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE AGAIN ARE CONDUCTING THE COMMUNITY SURVEY. IT IS WE'RE WORKING WITH, ETC. INSTITUTE NOW, AND WE WILL BRING A BRIEFING ABOUT THE NEW SURVEY TO YOU IN JUNE. SO FOR NOW, SOME OF THE INFORMATION I'M SHARING WILL BE FROM LAST JUNE 2025, THE COMMUNITY SURVEY FROM THAT TIME. HISTORICALLY, AS WE'VE USED THE COMMUNITY SURVEY, WE HAVE REALLY FOCUSED ON THE IMPORTANCE SATISFACTION MATRIX THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE RESULTS. AND AT THE TOP OF PAGE 36, JUST AS A GRAPHIC, WHAT WHAT IS PROVIDED TO YOU BY THE CONSULTANT IS SERVICES LAID OUT ACCORDING TO WHAT THE RESIDENTS RESPOND ON AN IMPORTANCE RATING FROM LOW TO HIGH AND SATISFACTION FROM LOW TO HIGH. AND SO THE THINGS THAT FALL IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND QUADRANT, THE GREEN QUADRANT IN THE DIAGRAM, THEY ARE OF HIGH IMPORTANCE TO RESIDENTS, BUT RESIDENTS ARE NOT VERY SATISFIED WITH THEM. AND SO THAT IS HOW WE'VE APPROACHED THE BUDGET, LOOKING AT THINGS THAT FALL IN THAT QUADRANT. WE NOW WANT TO ASK IF IT'S APPROPRIATE TO ALSO LOOK AT THE SERVICES THAT ARE OF LOW IMPORTANCE TO THE RESIDENTS, BUT THAT RESIDENTS ARE VERY HIGHLY SATISFIED WITH AND APPROACH THE BUDGET, CONSIDERING THAT QUADRANT AS WELL. SO ON SLIDE 37, THIS IS A PAGE FROM LAST JUNE, THE BRIEFING THAT THE CONSULTANT PROVIDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL. AGAIN, WE HAVE IN THE PAST LOOKED AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND QUADRANT. OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPROVEMENT. WHAT SERVICES DO RESIDENTS THINK ARE OF HIGH IMPORTANCE, BUT THEY'RE NOT VERY SATISFIED WITH. AND SO WHAT WE'VE FOUND IS MAINTENANCE OF INFRASTRUCTURE SUCH AS STREETS AND SIDEWALKS, POLICE SERVICES, HOUSING, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT AND SOCIAL SERVICES FALL IN THAT QUADRANT. AGAIN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT AS A CITY WIDE SURVEY, A RANDOM SAMPLING THAT COULD BE REPEATED. IF IT IS ANOTHER RANDOM SAMPLE IS DONE, YOU WOULD GET ROUGHLY THE SAME AIM RESPONSES THAT THE MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS FEEL HIGH IMPORTANCE, BUT NOT VERY SATISFIED WITH THE MAINTENANCE OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, STREETS AND SIDEWALKS, AS AN EXAMPLE. OUR POLICE SERVICES, ON THE OTHER HAND, SERVICES THAT ARE IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND, I'M SORRY, UPPER LEFT HAND QUADRANT ARE THINGS THAT RESIDENTS HAVE SAID ARE NOT VERY IMPORTANT OR THEY'RE LESS IMPORTANT. THEY FALL IN THE LOWER 50 PERCENTILE, BUT RESIDENTS ARE PRETTY HIGH FAVORABLE WITH THEIR SATISFACTION. SO THINGS THAT FALL IN THAT QUADRANT ARE THINGS SUCH AS AMBULANCE SERVICES PARK AND RECREATION SERVICES, FIRE SERVICES, ARTS AND CULTURE, PUBLIC LIBRARIES. THESE ARE THINGS THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, THERE ARE OF LESSER IMPORTANCE TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT THE COMMUNITY IS HIGHLY SATISFIED. AND SO WE ARE CURRENTLY EXCEEDING THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. MAYBE NOT WITH SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS, BUT WITH THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. WE ARE EXCEEDING EXPECTATIONS FOR THINGS THAT GET PLOTTED IN THAT QUADRANT. JUST INTERESTINGLY YOU MAY RECALL THAT LAST YEAR, THE CONSULTANT POINTED OUT THAT IN ALL 14 COUNCIL DISTRICTS, YOUR INDIVIDUAL NUMBER ONE PRIORITY WAS MAINTENANCE OF INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THEN IN 13 OF THE 14 DISTRICTS, POLICE SERVICE WAS YOUR SECOND HIGHEST PRIORITY. [05:20:04] FROM RESIDENTS, THERE WAS ONE DISTRICT THAT HAD SOCIAL SERVICES AS TWO AND POLICE AS THREE, BUT PRETTY MUCH ACROSS THE BOARD, DISTRICT BY DISTRICT, MAINTENANCE OF INFRASTRUCTURE. POLICE SERVICES ARE ONE AND TWO. SO WANTED TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE 38. AGAIN, THIS IS THE SAME INFORMATION AS ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, BUT LAID OUT IN A TABLE WITH THE CONSULTANT IDENTIFYING THE VERY HIGH PRIORITY, HOW RESIDENTS RATED IMPORTANCE AND SATISFACTION. MAINTENANCE OF INFRASTRUCTURE. POLICE SERVICE ONE AND TWO. SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK AS PART OF THE EXERCISE THAT WE WILL SEND TO YOU AND WORK WITH YOU TO GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON, IS, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE SERVICES THAT ARE LISTED ON SLIDE 39? SO SLIDE 39 LISTS 22 SERVICES THAT ARE PRIMARILY FROM THE CITIZEN SURVEY. WE DID IDENTIFY A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL THAT WE SHOULD ADD TO THE LIST. SO THE LIST IS NOT EXACTLY LIKE THE COMMUNITY SURVEY BUT PRETTY CLOSE. AND SO WE ARE GOING TO ASK YOU TO USE THIS TABLE OF 22 SERVICES AS YOU ANSWER THE QUESTIONS ON PAGE 40. SO ON PAGE 40, WHEN YOU GET THE POLLING INSTRUMENT, WE WILL ASK YOU TO FIRST TO REVIEW THE LIST OF MAJOR SERVICES AND SELECT THREE THAT YOU THINK SHOULD BE A TOP PRIORITY. AND SIMILAR WITH NUMBER FOUR, WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THE LIST OF 22 SERVICES AND IDENTIFY THREE THAT YOU THINK ARE OF LOWER PRIORITY. WE HAVE THREE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE COMMUNITY SURVEY OR THOSE SERVICES LISTED ON PAGE 39. PAGE NUMBER FIVE AND SIX ARE REALLY ABOUT HOW YOU APPROACH A BUDGET. DO YOU APPROACH A BUDGET THINKING THAT WE SHOULD ELIMINATE SERVICES THAT ARE OF LOWER PRIORITY, OR DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD REDUCE AND SCALE BACK ON SERVICES THAT ARE OF A LOWER PRIORITY? SO NUMBER FIVE, WE'RE ASKING YOU TO WHAT LEVEL DO YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH THE STATEMENT? PROGRAMS THAT DO NOT ALIGN WITH TOP PRIORITIES SHOULD BE ELIMINATED. SO AGAIN FROM A PRIORITY BASED BUDGET PERSPECTIVE, DO WE APPROACH IT FROM IF IT'S A LOW PRIORITY, IT SHOULD BE ELIMINATED OR. QUESTION NUMBER SIX. AGAIN, AN APPROACH TO BUDGETING. BOTH ARE OKAY. IT'S JUST WE'RE ASKING FOR YOUR APPROACH, YOUR PREFERENCE RELATED TO HOW WE PUT A BUDGET TOGETHER? NUMBER SIX. WHAT LEVEL DO YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH THE STATEMENT? PROGRAMS THAT DO NOT ALIGN WITH TOP PRIORITIES SHOULD HAVE FUNDING REDUCED AND THE SERVICES SCALED BACK. SO NUMBER FIVE, ASKING IF WE SHOULD ELIMINATE NUMBER SIX, ASKING IF YOU SHOULD SCALE BACK. IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT APPROACH. AND SLIDE SEVEN. I'M SORRY, NUMBER SEVEN AGAIN. DO YOU SUPPORT REDUCING THE BUDGET ALLOCATION FOR AREAS OF LESSER IMPORTANCE TO THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE? AND SO THIS MAY BE DIFFERENT THAN YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT SPECIAL INTERESTS. THIS IS ASKING ABOUT COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. AND DO YOU THINK THAT WE SHOULD REDUCE AREAS THAT THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE HAVE INDICATED ARE OF A LOWER PRIORITY? SLIDE 41 WAS GOING TO BE USED TODAY, BUT WE WILL SKIP THAT FOR NOW. AND AGAIN, WE WILL WORK WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY AS WE GO THROUGH THE QUESTIONS AND SEEK YOUR FEEDBACK. GOING ON TO SLIDE 43. ANOTHER AREA THAT WE WANT TO SEEK YOUR INPUT ON IS THE PROPERTY TAX. PROPERTY TAX IS VERY SIGNIFICANT FOR OUR REVENUE FOR THE GENERAL FUND. IT IS IMPACTED BY SENATE BILL TWO FROM 2019 WHEN THE ROLLBACK RATE ARE NOW, THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE WAS REDUCED FROM 8% TO 3.5%. AND WHAT THAT MEANT WAS USED TO THE GENERAL FUND COULD GO UP IN REVENUE BY 8% A YEAR BEFORE WE WOULD TRIGGER A POTENTIAL ROLLBACK ELECTION. NOW, IF WE GENERATE MORE REVENUE THAN 3.5% FROM PROPERTIES THROUGH REAPPRAISAL, WE ARE FORCED TO HAVE WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A VOTER APPROVAL ELECTION. SO THIS NEW RATE ONLY APPLIES TO BASE VALUES REAPPRAISAL. IT DOESN'T APPLY TO NEW CONSTRUCTION. THIS IS NOT JUST DALLAS. THIS IS A STATEWIDE REQUIREMENT. IF YOU EXCEED 3.5% OF REVENUE FROM REAPPRAISAL, A VOTER ELECTION IS REQUIRED. SO I KNOW IT'S BEEN A PRIORITY OF THE COUNCIL FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. I KNOW FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS WE HAVE REDUCED THE PROPERTY TAX RATE. SO OVER THE TEN YEAR PERIOD, WE'VE REDUCED THE TAX RATE BY 9.8 $0.02 SOME YEARS. I KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN DISAPPOINTED IT WASN'T A HIGHER TAX RATE, BUT IN TOTAL OVER THE TEN YEARS IT IS NEARLY $0.10 IN TOTAL OR 12%. REDUCING IT FROM 79.7 CENTS PER 100 VALUATION TO THIS YEAR 69.8 $0.08. [05:25:06] SO THE REVENUE FOR GONE. IF OUR TAX RATE WAS CURRENTLY 9.8 $0.02 HIGHER THAN IT IS WITH OUR CURRENT TAX BASE. WE WOULD BE BRINGING IN AN ADDITIONAL $222.4 MILLION. AND SO THAT'S A TRADE OFF. THAT IS OKAY. IF THAT'S THE POLICY DIRECTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL THAT YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO REDUCE THE TAX RATE. YOU'RE FORGOING REVENUE. AND SO I KNOW $222 MILLION WOULD PAY FOR A LOT OF THINGS. BUT IT HAS ALSO BEEN THE PRIORITY OF COUNCIL TO PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF TAX RELIEF. VERY GOOD PROGRAM. WE'VE MADE THOSE REDUCTIONS OVER TIME. AND JUST A FACTUAL NOTE, THE LAST BULLET ON THE PAGE, EACH $0.01 ON THE TAX RATE IS ABOUT $22 MILLION IN REVENUE. REMEMBER, AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE INCREASED OUR OVER 65 HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT. WE APPROACH TAX RELIEF FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE AS WELL. SO ON SLIDE 44 AGAIN SETTING UP A QUESTION THAT'S COMING. DECISIONS REGARDING THE PROPERTY TAX RATE DUE TO DIRECTLY IMPACT OUR REVENUE AVAILABLE TO CONTINUE SERVICES AND MEET THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. SO I WANT TO WALK THROUGH ON SLIDE 45, THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE'VE LAID OUT FOR THIS PARTICULAR QUESTION AND SO ON. THE QUESTION, WHICH OF THE FOLLOWING APPROACHES TO PROPERTY TAX RATE WOULD YOU MOST SUPPORT? AND SO WE'VE LAID OUT AS A SCALE OF FIVE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. SO FIRST REDUCE THE TAX RATE TO THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE. SO WHAT THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE DOES. IT GENERATES THE SAME REVENUE IN FISCAL YEAR 27 AS WAS GENERATED IN FISCAL YEAR 26 FROM PROPERTY TAX IN BOTH YEARS. IT DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO HAVE A 3.5% INCREASE. IT DOESN'T ALLOW A 1% INCREASE. IT DOESN'T ALLOW ANY INCREASE. A NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE MEANS NO ADDITIONAL PROPERTY TAX REVENUE FROM PROPERTY THAT WAS TAXED IN BOTH YEARS. IT'S EXCLUDING YOUR NEW CONSTRUCTION, WHICH DOESN'T COUNT AGAINST THE NO NEW REVENUE. SO I DID LOOK BACK TO OUR PRESENTATION LAST YEAR. LAST YEAR WHEN WE SAID THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE, IT WOULD HAVE REQUIRED ABOUT A $30 MILLION REDUCTION OF REVENUE AND A $30 MILLION REDUCTION EXPENSES FROM WHAT WE PRESENTED TO YOU AS A RECOMMENDED BUDGET. SO IT DOES COME AT A LARGE COST. BUT IF THAT IS YOUR PREFERENCE, PLEASE INDICATE. SECOND OPTION IS TO REDUCE THE TAX RATE BY SOME AMOUNT, BUT NOT AS FAR AS THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE. I KNOW YOUR QUESTION IS, JACK, HOW MUCH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I DON'T KNOW. JUST SAYING DIRECTIONALLY, DO YOU WANT TO SEE THE TAX RATE CONTINUE TO GO DOWN. NOT NECESSARILY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO A NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE. BUT DO YOU WANT DIRECTIONALLY WANT TO SEE THE TAX RATE CONTINUE TO GO DOWN. AGAIN EACH $0.01 REDUCTION IS $22 MILLION. LOOKING BACK OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS, THE REDUCTIONS HAVE BEEN ANYWHERE FROM 3.1 CENTS TO 0.01 CENTS. SO WE'VE REALLY SPANNED ON WHAT WE'VE REDUCED. LAST YEAR, THE REDUCTION WAS 0.5 $0.09, JUST OVER A HALF A CENT. SO THAT IS ONE OPTION. ANOTHER OPTION THAT WILL BE ASKED IS DO YOU PREFER TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT TAX RATE 69.8 $0.08. ANOTHER OPTION IS YOU WOULD SUPPORT AN INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE, BUT NOT GOING UP TO THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE. AND THE FIFTH OF THE FIVE OPTIONS IS TO INCREASE THE TAX RATE ALL THE WAY UP AND ABOVE THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE. IN WHICH CASE WE WOULD HAVE TO CALL AN ELECTION, WOULD ALLOW US TO GENERATE REVENUE ABOVE THE 3.5% CAP WOULD REQUIRE AN ELECTION. AS YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR, AUSTIN HELD AN ELECTION, I BELIEVE, THAT FAILED. THEY HAD TO REVISE THEIR BUDGET ACCORDINGLY. BUT AGAIN, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET A DIRECTIONAL A CONSENSUS ON THE TAX RATE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE CONTINUE TO MAKE MINOR ADJUSTMENTS, CURRENT TAX RATE, INCREASE IT OR POTENTIALLY EVEN EXCEED THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE, WHICH REQUIRES AN ELECTION. SO WITH THAT, I MOVE ON TO JEANETTE GOING TO PAGE 48. THANK YOU, MR. IRELAND. SO THE LAST SET OF QUESTIONS THAT WE WILL PRESENT TO YOU ADDRESS FISCAL POLICY CONSIDERATIONS. AND REALLY, THESE DECISIONS CREATE THE FOUNDATION OF HOW OUR RESOURCES ARE ALLOCATED AND MANAGED FOR SPECIFIC AREAS. THESE POLICIES ARE ESSENTIAL TO MAINTAINING LONG TERM FINANCIAL STABILITY, STABILITY, AND ENSURING THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SERVICES THAT RESIDENTS RELY ON. SO AS WE PLAN FOR FISCAL YEAR 27, THE CITY MUST BALANCE ITS COMPETING PRIORITIES SUSTAINING CORE SERVICES, [05:30:07] MAINTAINING AFFORDABILITY, AND OPERATING WITHIN A STATE IMPOSED EXPENDITURE LIMITS. SO ON SLIDE 49, WE HAVE LISTED SOME POLICY CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT TODAY. THEY INCLUDE STREET MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR. PARK AND RECREATION, LIBRARY SERVICES, PARTNERSHIPS AND STIPENDS, THE LIVING WAGE, DATA DRIVEN DECISION MAKING AND EMPLOYEE FOCUSED SUPPORT PROGRAMS. AND SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT BACK TO MR. IRELAND. THANK YOU. SO ON SLIDE 50, THE FIRST OF OUR QUESTIONS IN THIS SECTION ARE RELATED TO THE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR OF INFRASTRUCTURE. SO AS I MENTIONED SEVERAL SLIDES AGO, THIS HISTORICALLY YEAR OVER YEAR BECOMES THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY FROM THE COMMUNITY SURVEY. WHEN A RANDOM SAMPLE OF RESIDENTS IN DALLAS ARE SURVEYED, ALTHOUGH WE SPEND. MOST OF OUR SPENDING IN THIS AREA IS THROUGH THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND PROGRAM, WE DO INVEST IN THE MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP OF STREETS THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND, TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS NOW HAVING BEEN COMBINED TOGETHER, IS THE LARGEST GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENT. AFTER YOU COUNT POLICE AND FIRE THEIR BUDGET, THEIR OPERATING BUDGET IS APPROACHING $160 MILLION EACH YEAR. SO A QUESTION WE HAVE LOOKING AT THE TEN ITEMS LISTED IN THE CHART AT THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 50. THIS IS A A DIVE DEEPER INTO THE QUESTION ABOUT MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR OF INFRASTRUCTURE, LISTING, MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR OF THOROUGHFARES AND MAJOR STREETS VERSUS MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR OF STREETS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, STREET STRIPING, STREET CLEANING, STREET LIGHTING, TRAFFIC SIGNS AND SIGNALS, SIDEWALKS, ALLEYS, CURBS AND GUTTERS AND BIKE LANES. AND SO WHAT WE WILL ASK YOU TO DO IN QUESTION NUMBER NINE IS TO IDENTIFY TWO OF THE TEN DETAILED STREET SERVICES THAT YOU THINK ARE OF HIGHER PRIORITY AND THEN TO IDENTIFY TWO FROM THE BOX OF TEN THAT YOU THINK ARE OF A LOWER PRIORITY FOR THE CITY. ON SLIDE 51, THIS QUESTION IS VERY SIMILAR, BUT IT IS IN REGARD TO PARK AND RECREATION. PARK AND RECREATION IS SECOND IN THE GENERAL FUND, NOT COUNTING POLICE AND FIRE. SO POLICE, FIRE STREETS AND THEN PARK AND RECREATION, NEARLY $120 MILLION ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET. WE KNOW IT'S ONE OF THE LARGEST SYSTEMS IN THE COUNTRY. AND SO JUST TRYING TO GET YOUR DIRECTION RELATED TO WHAT WITHIN THAT DEPARTMENT, WITHIN THAT SERVICE PROFILE IS OF GREATER IMPORTANCE AND LOWER IMPORTANCE. SO WE'VE LISTED OUT RECREATION CENTERS, WALKING TRAILS, PROGRAMS AND CLASSES THAT ARE OFFERED BY THE DEPARTMENT, THE ZOO PARKS, THE GREEN SPACE, THE APPEARANCE, THE AMENITIES, THE QUALITY OF OUR GREEN SPACE, OUR PARKS, OUR AQUATICS, THE LARGER FACILITIES, THE SPRAY GROUNDS AND WATER PARKS. THE GOLF COURSES. AQUATICS. THE COMMUNITY POOL. SPECIFICALLY OUR OUTDOOR ATHLETIC FACILITIES SUCH AS SOCCER, BASEBALL, TENNIS, AND THEN OUR PARTNER FACILITIES SUCH AS THE ARBORETUM AND THE AUDUBON CENTER. AND SO SIMILAR TO QUESTION NINE. QUESTION TEN IS FOR PARK AND RECREATION. LOOKING AT THE TEN SERVICES OR PROGRAMS PROVIDED WITHIN THE PARK DEPARTMENT, WHICH TWO ARE OF HIGHER PRIORITY TO YOU AND WHICH TWO ARE OF LOWER PRIORITY TO YOU? MOVING TO SLIDE 52 AND MOVING ON WITH OUR POLLING QUESTIONS, LOOKING AT LIBRARY SERVICES. AND SO THIS QUESTION IS BEING INCLUDED SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS REGARDING LIBRARIES. SO LAST SUMMER, IN AUGUST OF 25, AS PART OF OUR TWO YEAR BIENNIAL BUDGET, STAFF DID HIGHLIGHT THE CHANGING THE CURRENT MODEL TO A REGIONAL MODEL, INCLUDING THE CLOSURE OF FOUR BRANCH LIBRARIES WITH THE SAVINGS OF $2.6 MILLION. SO THAT WAS PART OF THE PLANNED BUDGET. AND THAT IN THE NUMBERS THAT WERE SHOWN EARLY ON IN THE PRESENTATION, WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN THAT 2.6 MILLION OUT OF THE LIBRARY. OF COURSE, WE'RE NOT FINISHED. BUT RIGHT NOW IN THE PLAN NUMBERS, IT HAS BEEN DEDUCTED. IT WAS BRIEFED TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE ARTS AND CULTURE COMMITTEE IN JANUARY, AGAIN, ABOUT WHAT WAS PRESENTED LAST AUGUST TO INCLUDE EXPANDING THE HOURS AND SERVICES AT FIVE FLAGSHIP LOCATION. CLOSURE OF FOUR BRANCH LIBRARIES AND A SAVINGS OF 2.8. SO AS THE LIBRARY DEPARTMENT AND LIZ ARE WORKING TO GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. THERE WAS A SURVEY DONE BY THE BRANCH OF THE THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY AND OTHER WORK THAT'S BEING DONE AROUND THIS. I BELIEVE THIS IS GOING TO COME BACK TO COMMITTEE IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, BUT FROM THIS COUNCIL, [05:35:01] WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO. WE WOULD ASK YOU TO LOOK AT QUESTION 11 AND IDENTIFY HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT LIBRARIES. DO YOU PREFER IMPLEMENTING THE REGIONAL MODEL AS PRESENTED TO COMMITTEE? IMPLEMENTING A FLAGSHIP MODEL WITH REDUCTIONS IN OTHER LOCATIONS BUT NO CLOSURES. IMPLEMENTING BUDGET REDUCTIONS, BUT NOT HAVING ANY CLOSURES AND NO FLAGSHIPS, ETC.. SO WE HAVE GONE THROUGH AND LISTED OUT OPTIONS FOR YOU ON LIBRARIES. NOW BACK TO MISS WEEDEN FOR PAGE 53. ALL RIGHT. ON SLIDE 53, OUR NEXT POLICY CONSIDERATION PARTNERSHIPS AND STIPENDS. AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY PARTNERS WITH A WIDE RANGE OF ORGANIZATIONS ACROSS DALLAS, NONPROFITS, COMMUNITY GROUPS AND OTHER ENTITIES FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS DISCUSSION. AND THIS SLIDE, WE'RE DEFINING PARTNERSHIPS AS STIPENDS, MANAGEMENT AGREEMENTS, CONTRACTS WHERE A NONPROFIT IS DELIVERING A SERVICE PROVIDED BY THE CITY A USE AGREEMENT. WE'RE REFERRING TO ANYTHING THAT WHERE THE CITY IS OFFERING A PAYMENT TO AN ORGANIZATION. WE ARE NOT REFERRING TO EMMA'S WITH NO PAYMENTS. SHARING AGREEMENTS. THIS IS STRICTLY WHERE THE CITY IS MAKING A PAYMENT TO AN ORGANIZATION. SO THESE INCLUDE EXAMPLES SUCH AS THE DALLAS ZOOLOGICAL SOCIETY. WE HAVE A MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT. THAT AMOUNT IS 14.9 MILLION. WE HAVE A PARTNERSHIP USE AGREEMENT WITH THE DALLAS PERFORMING ARTS FOUNDATION. WE PROVIDE A STIPEND TO THE DALLAS ARBORETUM. SO THESE ARE ALL OF THE TYPES OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE CONTEXT OF PARTNERSHIPS. AND SO ON. SLIDE 54, WE ARE ASKING YOUR SEEKING YOUR GUIDANCE ON HOW WE SHOULD ADDRESS PARTNERSHIPS. AND THERE ARE THREE QUESTIONS THAT YOU WILL BE ASKED TO PROVIDE. IF YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH THE CURRENT LEVEL OF FUNDING. IF WE SHOULD TAKE A REDUCTION IN PROPORTION TO HOW WE ADDRESS. OTHER CITY SERVICES. BUT THE QUESTIONS HERE ARE DESIGNED TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK. RELATED TO PARTNERSHIPS. MOVING ON TO SLIDE 55. LIVING WAGE. SO THIS IS THE NEXT POLICY CONSIDERATION. AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY IMPLEMENTED THIS POLICY IN 2015. AND SO OUR LIVING WAGE STARTED IN 2015 AT $10.34 PER HOUR. THE FISCAL YEAR 26 LIVING WAGE IS 2306 PER HOUR. AND WHILE THE LIVING WAGE DOES PROVIDE A MEANINGFUL WAGE FOR INDIVIDUALS, IT DOES COME AT A COST TO OUR CONTRACTS. AND SO I'LL JUST VERY QUICKLY GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. WE HAVE THE CURRENT CUSTODIAL SERVICES CONTRACT THAT WAS BID UNDER A PREVIOUS LIVING WAGE OF $12.38 PER HOUR. THE CONTRACT PERIOD WAS FOR FIVE YEARS. TOTALED 23 MILLION. THIS NEW CONTRACT BID WILL BE UNDER THE LIVING WAGE OF LAST YEAR'S LIVING WAGE AT 22. OH, FIVE PER HOUR. IT'S $27 MILLION. THE SANITATION TEMPORARY LABOR CONTRACT WAS BID UNDER A LIVING WAGE OF $15.23. IT WAS $12.4 MILLION. THE NEW CONTRACTED BID AMOUNT IS 2205, AND THAT'S A TOTAL OF 17.4 MILLION. THAT'S A 50% INCREASE. AND WHILE YOU ALL ARE SAYING, WELL, THAT SANITATION THE NEW SALARY FOR LABORERS FOR SANITATION DOES CREATE COMPRESSION TO OUR, OUR CDL TRUCK DRIVERS. AND SO THEN THEREFORE THERE'S COMPRESSION THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION AND IT WILL CREATE A FUNDING CAPACITY ISSUE FOR THE GENERAL FUND. AND SO THAT NEXT QUESTION THAT WE WILL BE ASKING YOU IS IT'S REALLY ABOUT HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THE LIVING WAGE. AND SO DO YOU DISAGREE OR AGREE WITH THE STATEMENTS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE LIVING WAGE? DO MORE RESEARCH IN TERMS OF THE CONTEXT OF THE IMPACT OF THE LIVING WAGE ACROSS ALL CONTRACTS. WE HAVE ABOUT 275 CONTRACTS THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THAT LIVING WAGE. MOVING ON TO SLIDE 57. THE NEXT POLICY CONSIDERATION IS DATA DRIVEN DECISION MAKING. AND SO REALLY THIS QUESTION IS LISTED HERE BECAUSE AS WE MOVE INTO PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING AND AS RESOURCES ARE LIMITED, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO MORE PREDICTIVE ANALYSIS, DO SERVICE DEMAND MODELING AND BENCHMARKING. BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE WANT TO GAUGE YOUR FEEDBACK REGARDING DATA DRIVEN DECISION MAKING. SO THERE'S A QUESTION THERE ABOUT DATA DRIVEN DECISIONS. AND THEN THE LAST POLLING QUESTION IS REALLY ABOUT EMPLOYEE SUPPORT SERVICES. AND SO EMPLOYEE SUPPORT PROGRAMS, THEY BENEFIT ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES. [05:40:04] THEY SUPPORT RETENTION, RECRUITMENT AND WORKFORCE PRODUCTIVITY. AND SO REALLY WANT TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT SUPPORT PROGRAMS AND WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THE SUPPORT OF THOSE PROGRAMS. AND SO ON SLIDE 59, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE WILL BE ASKING YOU QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW YOU FEEL REGARDING EMPLOYEE SUPPORT PROGRAMS. AND SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT BACK TO MR. IRELAND. THANK YOU. JUST A COUPLE MORE SLIDES QUICKLY. SLIDE 61. I'M SORRY, 62. WE ARE ASKING YOU FOR DISTRICT. DID YOU DO THAT? WE'RE ASKING FOR SOME DISTRICT SPECIFICS BECAUSE MOST OF OUR QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN RELATED TO CITY WIDE TYPES OF THINGS WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOUR INPUT ON PRIORITIES WITHIN YOUR INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS. SLIDE 64. THE NEXT STEPS ARE LAID OUT HERE. APRIL 1ST TODAY, OF COURSE. BUDGET WORKSHOP, AUGUST THE 11TH BUDGET RECOMMENDED FROM THE CITY MANAGER THE PRESENTATION. YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER DATES LISTED ON SLIDE 65 JUST AT A HIGH LEVEL. RESIDENT INPUT, BUDGET DEVELOPMENT, CITY COUNCIL, DELIBERATION AND ADOPTION. AND STARTING THE NEW FISCAL YEAR ON OCTOBER 1ST. LAST PAGE SLIDE 66. WHAT ARE OUR NEXT STEPS? GETTING COUNCIL FEEDBACK. WE HAD INTENDED TO DO MORE FEEDBACK TODAY, BUT WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY TO GET THE FEEDBACK ON THE 20 QUESTIONS THAT WE POSED TODAY. IF NECESSARY, WE CAN, I CAN MEET WITH EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY TO HELP YOU WITH THOSE. TALK YOU THROUGH THEM OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO APPROACH IT. BUT WE WILL BE REACHING OUT TO YOU SEPARATELY ABOUT THAT. WE JUST MENTIONED THE DISTRICT SPECIFIC PRIORITIES. IF YOU COULD PROVIDE BOTH OF THESE TWO THINGS COMPLETE BY APRIL 17TH. THAT'S JUST OVER TWO WEEKS. OUR NEXT UPDATES ARE MAY IN JUNE, COMMUNITY SURVEY BRIEFING WILL BE IN JUNE, AND THEN A RECOMMENDED BUDGET ON AUGUST 11TH. AND I'M SORRY WE TOOK SO LONG. WE'RE DONE. MR. MR.. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CAN I JUST SAY SOMETHING? THANK THE TEAM. WE WILL SEND AN ACTUAL COMMUNICATION TO YOU WITH THESE DATES AND THEN THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO PROVIDE THE FEEDBACK WITH JUST THE QUESTIONS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THAT. SO WE'LL GET THAT OUT TO YOU SO WE CAN MEET OUR APRIL 17TH DEADLINE. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU TO THE TEAM. CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. WELL, FIRST I'D JUST LIKE TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING YOU SAID, JACK, ABOUT COLLIN AND DENTON COUNTY, PORTIONS OF DALLAS, AND PERHAPS WHY THOSE NUMBERS HAVE NOT GROWN AS MAYBE YOU EXPECTED. BUT I'M NOT SURPRISED AT ALL BECAUSE THE SILVER LINE HAS SO GREATLY IMPACTED, ESPECIALLY THE COLLIN COUNTY PORTION OF THE DISTRICT. I THINK THAT WE HAVE VERY SUPPRESSED GROWTH OF ANY REAL ESTATE THERE. AND TO THE DETRIMENT OF MANY, MANY RESIDENTS. THE SECOND THING IS THAT THOSE TWO PORTIONS OF OUR CITY ACTUALLY HAVE THE LEAST NUMBER OF SERVICES AVAILABLE TO THE RESIDENTS. AND WHEN THEY LOOK AROUND AT THE VERY NEARBY BORDERS OF PLANO, RICHARDSON, CARROLLTON, AND ADDISON, THEY SEE CITIES THAT HAVE MUCH GREATER AMENITIES THAN WHAT THEY HAVE. AND THE ONE AMENITY, THE COLLIN COUNTY, OF WHICH THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 55,000 PEOPLE. THE ONE AMENITY THEY HAVE IS A LIBRARY. THEY DON'T HAVE A REC CENTER. THEY DON'T HAVE A POOL. THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE ARTS. BUT THEY HAVE THIS ONE LIBRARY IN THE CITY. SO BLATANTLY PUT IT ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK. IT'S THE NUMBER ONE. I THINK IT'S THE NUMBER ONE VOTE CENTER FOR ALL OF COLLIN COUNTY, BUT IT'S THE ONLY PLACE THEY HAVE TO VOTE IN DALLAS. SO I THINK THEY FEEL EXTREMELY DISRESPECTED. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE MOVING, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE ANSWER ON THAT ONE. THE TAX RATE, I'D LOVE TO JUST FLAT OUT TELL YOU THE GOAL SHOULD ALWAYS BE THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. THERE WAS A VERY INTERESTING QUESTION AT MY BUDGET TOWN HALL, WHICH HAD 109 PEOPLE. I THINK THE LIBRARY COUNTED, AND THE QUESTION WAS, HOW DO YOU DETERMINE WHAT THE BUDGET OUGHT TO BE? AND YOUR ANSWER WAS, WELL, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE REVENUE IS. BUT OF COURSE, IT REALLY OUGHT TO BE THE OTHER WAY. WE OUGHT TO BE ASKING WHAT IS ESSENTIAL FOR THE CITY TO PROVIDE, AND THEN DO WE HAVE THE REVENUE TO DO IT? BUT INSTEAD, WHATEVER DOLLAR WE CAN GET, WE WILL FOR SURE SPEND AND MORE. SO I WANT TO TAKE SLIDE 18 AND TELL YOU THAT THIS PRELIMINARY RANKING NUMBER SEVEN OF PROGRAMS THAT WAS COMPLETED BY STAFF. I THINK THAT WAS MEANT TO BE DONE BY THE COUNCIL WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT PRIORITY BUDGETING. I DON'T KNOW HOW STAFF IS THE RIGHT ORGANIZATION, THE RIGHT GROUP TO DO IT WHEN THEY SET THEIR OWN TARGETS. SO IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S MEANINGFUL AND CONSISTENT, BUT IT SHOULD ALSO REFLECT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. [05:45:07] AND THAT IS WHAT WE WERE MEANT TO PROVIDE. THE NEXT THING I'LL SAY IS I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE WERE RATED. I SAW YOUR CHART. I DON'T THINK THAT IS PROVIDING THE KIND OF. TRANSPARENCY THAT IS NECESSARY. ON SLIDE 20, THE THE STATEMENTS DON'T MEAN THAT THEY HAVE THE SAME PRIORITY. MEANING WHEN YOU'RE TELLING US PICK TWO, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY RANKED ONE TWO, AND THEN NOTHING ELSE MATTERS. AND IT COULD BE THAT BETWEEN 2 AND 3, THEY'RE SO CLOSE THAT THIS ENTIRE EXERCISE OF THE 20 QUESTIONS, FRANKLY, SEEMS JUVENILE AND NOT WORTHY OF A $2 BILLION GENERAL FUND. AND ALL OF THE GRAY SPACE FOR THE VERY MANY PROGRAMS WE HAVE. I WILL ALSO SAY THAT ASKING PEOPLE TO DO THIS BY SURVEY AND NOT DEBATE THE ISSUES HERE MEANS THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN CUT OUT OF THIS DISCUSSION. AND ALSO, NEWER COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY NOT LEARN FROM MORE SEASONED COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS. AND I THINK IT WAS DESIGNED TO STOP THAT KIND OF TRANSFER OF INFORMATION. SO I'M GOING TO ALSO OBJECT TO THAT. THE PILLARS I WILL JUST CONTINUE TO SAY I THINK THE PILLARS ARE ABSOLUTELY CITY HALL SPEAK, AND THAT NOBODY OUTSIDE THIS BUILDING KNOWS WHAT'S IN ANY OF THESE PILLARS. AND YOU COULD VERY EASILY MOVE FROM DEPARTMENT TO DEPARTMENT, MOVE THEM INTO A DIFFERENT PILLAR. AND THEN YOU'RE ASKING US TO RANK THE PILLARS. THIS IS THIS IS CRAZY. AND AGAIN, I THINK IT'S LACKING IN TRANSPARENCY AND NOT AT ALL WHAT I LIKE TO SEE. THE, THE 20 QUESTIONS, WHICH ARE CURATED WITH VERY SPECIFIC LANGUAGE, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU RESULTS. WE'RE GOING TO GET RESULTS WILL THEN BE USED AGAINST US IN THE BUDGET DEVELOPMENT. AND SO I THINK THAT THE QUESTIONS SHOULD BE VERY OPEN ENDED IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO GET OUR INPUT AND IT SHOULD BE ON THE RECORD, WHETHER THAT'S ON CAMERA OR IN WRITING, BUT I DEFINITELY OBJECT TO THE ENTIRE EXERCISE THAT'S BEING PUT HERE INSTEAD OF THE THOUGHTFUL CONVERSATION THAT WE GENERALLY HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK. GO AHEAD. JACK. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS. AND THIS IS DEFINITELY VOLUNTARY. IF A COUNCIL MEMBER DOESN'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE, WE WILL TAKE WHAT INPUT WE GET. THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WELL, I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS A VOID OF DIRECTION. WE DON'T HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY CRAZY FOR A $220 BILLION COMPANY, WHICH WE ARE. THAT'S OUR PROPERTY VALUE TO NOT HAVE THAT. AND SO I WOULD SAY, MISS CITY MANAGER THAT WE NEED TO EMBARK ON THAT. SO WE DON'T GO THROUGH THIS SAME THING NEXT YEAR. BUT BECAUSE OF THAT VOID, YOU NEED GUIDANCE. WE NEED TO GIVE YOU SOME DIRECTION AND BLESS YOUR HEARTS. YOU'RE HAVING TO COME DOWN TO A POLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION. WE DO HAVE SOME INPUTS AND WE KNOW THAT IN THE FORM OF OUR RESIDENT SATISFACTION SURVEY, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE FRONT AND CENTER BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THEY'VE TOLD US THEIR MOST IMPORTANT NEEDS ARE, WHICH IS INFRASTRUCTURE MAINTENANCE NUMBER ONE ACROSS 13 DISTRICTS, PUBLIC SAFETY. AND THEN IN THAT THIRD TIER IS WHEN WE KIND OF START TO SEE HOW SOME OTHER, SOME DIFFERENT DISTRICTS REACT. AND I THINK LAST YEAR, ONE OF OUR DISTRICTS HAD NUMBER THREE DRINKING WATER. AND IF THAT DOESN'T STOP YOU IN YOUR TRACKS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHOULD. AND I DON'T THINK BECAUSE THAT MIGHT ONLY BE A PRIORITY IN ONE DISTRICT, THAT WE SHOULD MAKE IT GO AWAY. WE SHOULD ADDRESS IT. SO THAT IS THE KIND OF THING THAT NEEDS, NEEDS THE DEBATE HERE. BUT YOU KNOW, WITHOUT DIRECTION, WE'RE NOT DOING OUR BUSINESS FOR THE TAXPAYER. AND THAT MAY HAVE TO START IN THIS FORMAT WHERE YOU GO AROUND AND GET SOME INFORMATION. I THINK IN THE PAST YEARS, YOU'VE ACTUALLY COME AROUND AND TALKED TO EACH COUNCIL MEMBER ABOUT WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES ARE. BUT ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WOULD BE, WHAT ARE THE CHECKPOINTS OF PRIORITIES AGAINST POLICIES WE'VE ADOPTED THROUGH THE YEARS, SO WE MAY HAVE OUR THOUGHTS, BUT THERE HAVE ALSO BEEN POLICY ADOPTED BY THE BODY THAT WE CAN'T JUST WALK AWAY FROM. SO I DON'T ENVY YOU ALL. YOU KNOW, CITY MANAGER RUNNING POLICY UP AGAINST OPINIONS AND WANTS AND NEEDS. BUT MR. IRELAND, I WANTED TO ASK YOU. I MEAN, WE'RE IN THE IN THE FACE OF ESCALATING UTILITY RATES, DECLINING SALES TAX PROPOSITION, YOU DICTATING HOW WE SPEND CERTAIN ASPECTS OF OUR REVENUE CAPS ON PROPERTY TAX REVENUE. [05:50:06] WHAT CAN THE COUNCIL DO TO ENSURE THAT WE'VE GOT REVENUE GROWTH SO THAT WE DO HAVE MONEY TO PAY FOR THE SERVICES THAT ARE CRITICAL TO THEM AND THAT THEY FRANKLY DEMAND? YES, WITHOUT ADDING TO THE TAX BURDEN. LET ME ADD THAT IMPORTANT FOOTNOTE. WELL, I THINK THE INITIATIVE REGARDING BY DALLAS IS OBVIOUSLY GOOD. WE WANT SALES TAX. I KNOW AT YOUR TOWN HALL MEETING, YOU SPECIFICALLY TOLD RESIDENTS DON'T SHOP IN THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES, BUT TO SHOP DALLAS. WELL, YOU CAN KEEP THAT DOWN. OH, SORRY. SO THE IDEA OF GROWING OUR SALES TAX IS OBVIOUSLY IMPORTANT. GROWING OUR PROPERTY TAX BASE IS CRITICAL. OUR PROPERTY TAX REVENUE IS OUR NUMBER ONE REVENUE. AND WE NEED TO HAVE POLICIES THAT WILL GROW THE TAX BASE. CAN I CAN I ADD ONE MORE? CAN I ADD ONE MORE TO THAT? AND THANK YOU, MR. IRELAND. YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE NEED TO IDENTIFY WAYS TO HAVE GREATER, STRONGER PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS. I THINK WHEN WE THINK ABOUT MAINTAINING OUR COMPETITIVE EDGE, IN ADDITION TO THE NEW REVENUE STREAMS, LOOKING AT WAYS TO EXPAND OUR TAX BASE. WE ALSO HAVE TO FIND THOSE PARTNERSHIPS THAT ARE GOING TO COME TO THE TABLE AND PROVIDE PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY. WHETHER IT'S THROUGH OUR PHILANTHROPIC COMMUNITY, WE NEED THAT SUPPORT. AND THAT'S A LOT OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING OVER THESE LAST YEARS IN OUR HOMELESS FRONT, HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT HOUSING, HAVING THAT NEW PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITIES FOUNDATION OF TEXAS. WE NEED MORE OF THOSE, AND I THINK THAT'S ALSO GOING TO HELP BOLSTER THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HAVE GREATER RESOURCES. BUT THANK YOU FOR FOR THAT QUESTION. COUNCILWOMAN WILLIS SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TOO, BECAUSE THE PROPERTY TAX OR THE CAP ON THAT REVENUE DOESN'T EXIST ON NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO, I MEAN, EVERY WEEK WE MEET UP HERE FOR OUR LITTLE CLUB AND WE CONSIDER ALL SORTS OF CONTRACTS AND OTHER THINGS. BUT WE ALSO TALK ABOUT ZONING, AND WE WANT OUR COMMUNITIES TO WEIGH IN AND WE WANT TO HEAR THEM, BUT WE CAN'T NECESSARILY HAVE STOP SIGNS. WE NEED TO ALLOW COMMUNITY INPUT TO SHAPE A PROJECT INTO BEING SMARTER AND THOUGHTFUL AND HAVING ALL THE BENEFITS THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, BUT MAYBE NOT JUST TURNING IT AWAY COLD, BECAUSE WE WILL NOT HAVE THE THAT REVENUE COMING IN ON NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT CAPPED, THAT WILL HELP IN TURN GIVE THEM WHAT THEY ARE DEMANDING OF THE OF US. AND I WANT TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING. CITY MANAGER WAS TOUCHING ON. SO I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE US LOOK AT EXTERNAL REVENUE GOALS. I MEAN, THE PARK DEPARTMENT HAS AN AGENCY THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE GOING OUT AND SELLING SPONSORSHIPS. MAYOR PRO TEM WAS SHARING WITH ME THAT HIGH SCHOOL JUST HAD A THERE AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THEIR STADIUM'S BEING SPONSORED BY BUCKY'S. AND SO WE NEED MORE OF THAT IN THE CITY. WE HAVE GOT SO MANY GREAT THINGS TO SPONSOR, ESPECIALLY IN THAT PARK AND REC CATEGORY. SO I'D LOVE TO SEE DIRECTORS WORKED WITH ALL OF THEM, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY'VE GOT A STRAIGHT LINE UNDER YOU OR TO YOU WITH REGARD TO REVENUE GOALS. WE TALK A LOT ABOUT OUR LIBRARIES AND THEY DO HAVE A FUNDRAISING MECHANISM. I KNOW IT'S NOT FOR THE BRICK AND MORTAR SIDE, BUT MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT OUR FLEXIBILITY THERE. BUT THERE ARE YOU KNOW, WE HAD A GREAT ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY. I MEAN, WE KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT $100 MILLION IN TEN YEARS ACROSS HOUSING TO HELP US OUT. SO I THINK DALLAS IS GENEROUS AND IS UNTAPPED IN THAT REGARD. BUT I THINK OUR DEPARTMENTS NEED TO LOOK AT DO WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD PURSUE? SOME OUTSIDE REVENUE AND WHERE WOULD WE FIND THAT? SO DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD TASK THEM WITH A NUMBER OR DEFINITELY NOT A NUMBER, BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'LL SEE AS WE CONTINUE TO YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE PRIORITIES AND POLICIES. IT'S REALLY THE PROGRAMS THAT WE ARE IMPLEMENTING OR THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO IMPLEMENT REALLY NEEDS TO BE THOSE PROGRAMS THAT ARE ALIGNED WITH THE POLICY THAT'S GIVEN US THE OUTCOMES THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. SO IT GOES HAND IN HAND. I THINK THIS EXTERNAL REVENUE GOAL IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT WHEN IT COMES TO SOME OF THE WAYS THAT WE EVEN SET YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR, OUR FOCUS AROUND FAIR PARK, WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IT THIS YEAR WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE CREATED A ACTUAL FAIR PARK REVENUE FUND SO THEY CAN BEGIN TO IDENTIFY WAYS TO ACTUALLY GENERATE MORE REVENUE. SO I THINK WE'RE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. COUNCILWOMAN WILLIS I THINK IF WE START WITH JUST KIND OF GETTING THAT FRAMEWORK OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT WE CAN DO, THEN WE COULD COME BACK AND MAYBE PUT MAYBE PUT SOME INCREMENTAL GOALS AROUND WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE YEAR OVER YEAR AND INCREASES IN THE WAY THAT WE BRING EXTERNAL COMPONENTS TO THE TABLE. AND RIGHT. LIKE MAYBE WE COULD DO THAT. AND IF YOU WANT MORE, THEN YOU GOT TO GO EAT WHAT YOU KILL. SO I THINK FINALLY ON LIKE OUR TAX RATE, WE ARE A GROWING CITY. COST OF BENEFITS ARE GOING UP, COST OF FUEL ARE GOING UP, EVERYTHING IS GOING UP. [05:55:04] AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE IN A ZONE WHERE NO NEW REVENUE WOULD WORK, BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY MINDFUL OF OTHER DEMANDS ON OUR RESIDENTS POCKETBOOKS AND HOW WE CAN HAVE JUST MINIMIZE WHAT WE'RE PUTTING ON THEIR BACKS, BUT STILL DELIVERING EFFICIENT, EFFECTIVE GOVERNMENT. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU MAYOR. I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THOSE COMMENTS. JUST A FEW HIGH LEVEL QUESTIONS. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR TRYING TO BE CREATIVE AND GETTING AHEAD OF THE BUDGET PROCESS. I DO APPRECIATE THAT. WHAT I GUESS FOR THE TEAM HERE, WHAT IS THE HIGH LEVEL IMPACT ON THE BUDGET? AND WHEN MY RESIDENTS ASKED ME, HOW'S PROPOSITION YOU, HOW DOES THE, THE COMMITMENTS TO PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT THE REST OF THE BUDGET? WHAT CAN I TELL THEM? THANK YOU. I ALWAYS LOVE TO CLARIFY THIS. THE CITY OF DALLAS COMPLIES WITH PROPOSITION YOU AS IT WAS WRITTEN. RIGHT? PROPOSITION U REQUIRES US TO USE HALF OF OUR YEAR OVER YEAR GROWTH IN UNRESTRICTED REVENUE AND START WITH POLICE AND FIRE PENSION. AND THAT IS WHERE IT ALL GOES. THAT IS ALL WE'RE OBLIGATED TO DO. WE ARE IN FULL AND COMPLETE COMPLIANCE WITH OUR $225 MILLION CONTRIBUTION TO THE POLICE AND FIRE PENSION FUND THIS YEAR. THE MANAGER AND THE COUNCIL WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT BY INCREASING HIRING NUMBERS AND BY INCREASING PAY. SO THAT WOULD BE MY SHORT ANSWER THAT I TRY TO SAY WE ARE IN FULL COMPLIANCE SIMPLY BY MAKING OUR POLICE AND FIRE CONTRIBUTION TO PENSION. AND WE WOULD HAVE BEEN DOING THAT EVEN WITHOUT PROPOSITION. YOU. WE ABSOLUTELY HAD BEEN AND WILL BE, RIGHT. I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT POINT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. COUPLE IN THE WEEDS. QUESTIONS. DOES THE BUDGET STILL PLAN FOR CLOSING NINE COMMUNITY POOLS OVER THREE YEARS? YES, SIR. THE PLANNED BUDGET ASSUMES WHAT WAS COMPLETED LAST YEAR. THE CLOSURE OF FOUR LIBRARIES, THE CLOSURE OF THE POOLS. THAT IS IN THE PLAN. THE PLAN IS BALANCED. WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO AND DEPENDING ON THE FEEDBACK WE GET, WE MAY TAKE A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, BUT YES, SIR, AT THIS POINT IN TIME IT DOES. OKAY. IF I COULD JUST JUMP IN. I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE DEFINITELY WANTED TO COME BACK AND HAVE A BROADER CONVERSATION AROUND NOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN PAST THE, YOU KNOW, FY 26, AS WE'RE BEGINNING TO LOOK AHEAD, IF COUNCIL WANTS US TO THINK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD AROUND LIBRARIES AND PARKS. THIS IS THE TIME TO DO IT. NOT IN AUGUST ONCE WE'VE DELIVERED THE BUDGET. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO GET MORE OF THIS CONVERSATION ON THE FRONT END. IF YOU WANT US TO THINK ABOUT THAT DIFFERENTLY, BECAUSE THAT GIVES US THE DIRECTION SO WE CAN BEGIN TO LOOK AT WAYS IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN RESTORE, IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN REMODEL. IF THERE'S WAYS WE CAN LOOK AT A DIFFERENT REVENUE SOURCE, WE NEED TO BEGIN TO DO THAT NOW AND NOT IN AUGUST. THANK YOU. I UNDERSTAND, AND THE LIBRARY'S WAS MY NEXT QUESTION. IF WE ARE OPPOSED TO CLOSING THE LIBRARIES LIKE SOME OF US ARE. IF WE ARE OPPOSED TO THE POOL CLOSURES, WE LET YOU KNOW THROUGH THE SURVEY YOU'RE GOING TO SEND OUT. YES, THAT WOULD BE THE WAY TO LET US KNOW. SO WE HAVE A GENERAL CONSENSUS, AND WE KNOW GOING INTO THE SUMMER WHERE YOU'RE AT AND WHEN WE DELIVER THE BUDGET IN AUGUST, THEN IT'S MEETING YOUR EXPECTATION VERSUS YOU THEN HAVING TO SEND ME 55 BUDGET AMENDMENTS. RIGHT. AND THEN THAT GOES TO THE REVENUE QUESTIONS. I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT POINT THAT DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM BROUGHT UP. AND AS WE'VE DETERMINED THROUGH THE CITY HALL DISCUSSION AND FROM YEARS AGO WHEN WE OPENED THIS UP IN GFM, WHEN WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO HAVE SOME BUDGET SHORTFALLS I REALLY HOPE STAFF WILL LOOK HARD AT OUR REAL ESTATE PORTFOLIO AND FIGURE OUT IF OUR 50,000 ACRES, WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT COULD BE ACTIVATED FOR MORE REVENUE SOURCES FOR THE CITY. TAKING CITY HALL OUT OF IT FOR A MINUTE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MUCH OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FROM OUR OWN PORTFOLIO FOR HOUSING, FOR PARKS AND FOR REVENUE. AND I REALLY THINK IT'S TIME WE WE TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY. AND THEN THE LAST THING IS REALLY JUST A PARKS RELATED ISSUE. I BROUGHT THIS UP LAST YEAR, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE PART OF IF THIS HAS BEEN CONSIDERED BY PARKS. IS DYNAMIC PRICING. THERE. I CAN ONLY SAY THIS THROUGH AN EXAMPLE IS, YOU KNOW, MY KIDS SIGNED UP FOR A SUMMER CAMP LAST YEAR AT THE PARK AND IT WAS ONLY $50 FOR AN ENTIRE WEEK INCLUDED FOOD AND IT WAS 8 TO 5. AND MY FAMILY CAN AFFORD MORE THAN $50. THERE ARE SOME WHO CAN'T, BUT WE. IS THERE A WAY TO DO DYNAMIC PRICING? FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR TO HELP SUPPLEMENT THE PARK'S PROGRAMS SO THAT WE. [06:00:03] WE CAN HAVE MORE HOURS AND MORE OPPORTUNITIES INSTEAD OF CLOSING OUR REC CENTERS EARLY. SAME GOES TO THE POOL HOURS. MARTIN WEISS RECREATION CENTER POOL IS NOT OPEN FULL TIME IN THE SUMMER. CAN WE HAVE SOME SORT OF DYNAMIC PRICING WHERE IF YOU'RE LOW INCOME AND YOU HAVE THE WATER BILL TO PROVE IT, YOU CAN PAY THE REDUCED PRICE OR MAYBE IT'S FREE. AND THEN THOSE OF US WHO ARE NOT ON THAT CAN PAY A HIGHER PRICE TO COMPENSATE FOR IT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S LEGAL, BUT THAT'S A QUESTION I'D LOVE TO FOR STAFF TO LOOK AT. DEFINITELY WILL WORK WITH OUR FRIENDS. THE PARK AND REC DEPARTMENT, I KNOW THAT THEY'RE LISTENING TODAY AND THEY ARE ENGAGED WITH US THROUGHOUT THE BUDGET PLANNING PROCESS. AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN CREATE THAT AS A PRIORITY. BASED ON YOUR FEEDBACK TODAY. THANK YOU. YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT'S LIKE WE'RE NOT PROVIDING THE CORRECT LIKE OURS TO TO MEET THE NEED, BUT WE'RE ALSO NOT CHARGING APPROPRIATELY, RIGHT? IT'S WHEN PEOPLE NEED US TO BE OPEN. ARE WE OPEN AND ARE WE CHARGING THEM FOR THE TIME AT THE RIGHT LEVEL? WE GOT IT. I WILL DEFINITELY BE BRINGING THAT BACK UP IN THE FALL. THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I'LL PICK UP. THERE IS. YESTERDAY, I HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING AT ONE OF THE REC CENTERS AND SIGNED MY DAUGHTER UP FOR SOCCER. AND IT WAS $50 FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON. AND SO, YEAH, I BELIEVE THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE MORE COST THAT'S IN ALIGNMENT WITH FAMILIES AND THEIR ABILITIES. SO AS WE TALK ABOUT NO NEW REVENUE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT I SUPPORT. BUT WHAT I SEE CHALLENGING IS WHEN OTHER TAXING ENTITIES IN THE CITY ARE RAISING THEIR TAXES. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, THESE RESIDENTS ARE NOT NECESSARILY SEEING A LOWER TAX BILL BECAUSE OF WHAT OTHER ENTITIES ARE DOING. SO CITY MANAGER ARE THERE DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR WITH OUR COUNTY AND OUR ISDS TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO HAVE A LESS OF A BURDEN ON THE TAXPAYER. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. MAYOR PRO TEM I DO BELIEVE THAT. I THINK IT'S EITHER IN THE NEXT WEEK OR MAYBE IT'S TOWARDS THE END OF THIS WEEK. I'M NOT LOOKING AT MY CALENDAR. WE HAVE A SIT DOWN CONVERSATION WITH OUR SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT TO JUST START TALKING ABOUT WAYS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THIS, THIS BURDEN KIND OF OVERALL VERSUS CITIES DOING THIS SCHOOL DISTRICT IS DOING, THIS COUNTY IS DOING THIS. AND THERE'S NO COMMONALITY WITH WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DELIVER WHEN IT COMES TO HOW DO WE PUT MORE MONEY IN PEOPLE'S POCKETS TO WHERE THEY CAN, THEY CAN THRIVE, RIGHT? SO WE'RE DEFINITELY HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS. I KNOW WE'RE NOT DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT THEY DO, BUT I THINK THE ENGAGEMENT AND THE ALIGNMENT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO BETTER. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT'S THE APPROACH THAT WE'VE TAKEN IN THE PAST, BUT I THINK IT'S THE WAY WE HAVE TO START TO THINK ABOUT THIS GOING FORWARD. SO THANK YOU FOR FOR POINTING THAT OUT. AND I'LL MAKE SURE THAT AS WE HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, WE'LL REPORT BACK TO YOU. THANK YOU. SO RIGHT. WE HAVE TO LOOK FOR NEW REVENUES. AND I THINK WE ARE MISSING THE TARGET WITH PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS IN NAMING RIGHTS, ESPECIALLY IN, IN OUR PARK AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. THERE'S, THERE'S SO MUCH OPPORTUNITY THERE. SO NOT, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THAT NO NEW REVENUE. AT THE SAME TIME, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING CAUTIOUS ABOUT FEES THAT GO ACROSS THE BOARD AND NOT, YOU KNOW, SUBSTITUTING COST SAVINGS ON THE TAX BILL AND PUTTING IT IN IN OTHER METHODS. I AM OPEN THOUGH, TO OPPORTUNITIES LIKE FEE AND LOSE THAT WILL GO DIRECTLY TO THOSE WHO ARE BEING OR GETTING THE SERVICE. IN OTHER WORDS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE FEES THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE ARE NOT ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT THEY'RE GOING SPECIFIC TO GROUPS THAT ARE MAYBE GETTING AN ADVANTAGE, RIGHT? AND SO I WANT TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT ALSO NOT ADDING NEW FEES THE WAY WE'VE DONE IN YEARS PAST. SO LOOK FORWARD TO THE SURVEY AND MAKING SURE THAT I'M ABLE TO PUT IN THE REPRESENTATION FROM MY CONSTITUENTS AND WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES ARE. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. MR. ROTH, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. JUST A COUPLE THINGS I'D LIKE YOU ALL TO INFORM ME ABOUT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND MAYBE CONSIDER IS MAYBE LOOKING AT THE PENSION PAYMENTS FOR THE EMPLOYEE PENSION PAYMENTS MAYBE REFINANCING THAT OR LOOKING AT SOME ALTERNATIVE [06:05:03] OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO REDUCE OR, OR MODIFY THE ACTUAL PAYMENTS IN A MORE OR LESS. LESS DRAMATIC WAY IF POSSIBLE. NUMBER ONE ALSO, NUMBER TWO IS TO MAYBE LOOK AT AND REVIEW OUR, OUR SELF-INSURANCE CLAIM PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SORT OF BEING COST EFFECTIVE IN, IN ADMINISTERING AND PAYING OUT AND DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO DO, TO DO REGULAR INSURANCE VERSUS WHETHER OUR PRIVATE CLAIMS PROCESSING IS, IS REALLY SAVING US MONEY AND COST EFFECTIVE. I'D ALSO LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT I'D LIKE SOME, SOME BACKGROUND IN ON THE EFFECTIVENESS ON OUR GRANT USE IF WE'VE BEEN ACTUALLY ABLE TO GET GRANTS THAT WE HAVE, IF WE'RE ACTUALLY UTILIZING THOSE GRANTS, BEING ABLE TO, TO, TO MAXIMIZE AND GET ALL THE THE MONEY THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET BY THOSE GRANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE YOU KNOW, PERFORMED WHATEVER WE NEED TO PERFORM. AND IF THERE'S ANY OTHER ALTERNATIVE OPPORTUNITIES THAT MIGHT BE GRANTS THAT WE'RE NOT AWARE OF AS COUNCIL PEOPLE THAT, THAT MAY, MAY ALLOW US TO ACCESS FOR OUR DISTRICTS OR FOR OUR SPECIAL INTERESTS GRANT PROGRAMS THAT MIGHT BE OUTSIDE OF CITY. IF WE'RE NOT AWARE OF IT, WE CAN'T REALLY ACCESS IT. I'D ALSO LIKE TO CERTAINLY WHATEVER ASSETS WE DO HAVE AND I. TO, TO JOIN IN WITH SOME OF OUR COLLEAGUES THAT SAY WE'VE GOT A LOT OF REAL ESTATE, WE MAY HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO LEVERAGE THOSE PROPERTIES IN PARTNERSHIPS WITH, WITH PRIVATE PHILANTHROPIC GROUPS, WITH OTHER GOVERNMENTAL GROUPS. IN, IN, IN NON DASH REQUIRED PAYMENTS AND AND EXPENSES WHICH MIGHT ALSO ALLOW US TO STILL EFFECTUATE EFFECTIVELY. YOU KNOW, PERFORM THE, THE, THE GOALS AND THE TASKS AND THE PROGRAMS THAT WE STILL WANT TO. SO AGAIN, MAYBE TRYING TO LOOK AT OUR IN-KIND ABILITY TO, TO ACCESS PROGRAM. YOU KNOW, OUTCOMES THAT ARE POSITIVE WITHOUT SPENDING REAL DOLLARS. SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME SUGGESTIONS AND, AND SOME OTHER IDEAS. I'M SURE THAT'LL COME UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THOSE ARE FOUR REALLY BIG AREAS AND I'D LOVE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THEM. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM YOU RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. SO I KNOW IN HERE YOU HAD ONE PAGE ON BENEFITS FOR EMPLOYEES. AND YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOLDIERS ON THE FRONT LINE. THEY'RE HELPING US DELIVER ON WHAT THE CITY GOVERNMENT IS SUPPOSED TO DO FOR OUR TAXPAYERS, TAKING THEIR HARD EARNED WAGES AND PUTTING IT BACK SO THAT OUR TAXPAYERS SEE WHAT THEY'RE GETTING FOR THEIR THEIR MONEY. SO I KNOW THAT THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS AROUND DELIVERING THOSE BENEFITS AND WHAT IT TAKES TO DO SO. AND IT MAY TAKE SOME STAFF. AND SO I DO THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD GIVE CAREFUL CONSIDERATION TO BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY ONLY AS GOOD AS THE CITY STAFF IS. I ALSO WANT TO GO TO A DIFFERENT PLACE AND THAT IS TO LOOK AT HOW THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE AROUND WAGES. AND THE CITY HAS DEFINITELY CAUGHT UP AND GOTTEN INTO A ZONE THAT IS SOMETHING YOU CAN BE MORE PROUD OF WITH REGARD TO WHAT'S BEING PAID. WHEN I LOOK AT THAT SCALE OF EVEN TEN YEARS AGO. I MEAN, IT'S JUST SEEMS AWFUL. SO I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK DONE, BUT THAT'S ALSO BEEN A VERY BIG INVESTMENT ON THE PART OF THE TAXPAYER. I THINK YOU MENTIONED THERE WERE 275 CONTRACTS THAT WILL BE AFFECTED. SO THAT WAGE PLAYS OUT ACROSS ALL THOSE CONTRACTS. AND SO THAT GETS TO BE A BIG TICKET. BUT SOMETHING THAT A COMMUNITY LEADER HAD POINTED OUT TO ME THAT I HADN'T THOUGHT TOO MUCH ABOUT WAS WE DON'T HAVE A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. SO YOU LOOK AT BOSTON, CHICAGO, PHILADELPHIA, PITTSBURGH, NEW YORK, KANSAS CITY. I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF CITIES WHERE IF YOU WORK FOR THE CITY, YOU HAVE TO LIVE IN THE CITY. AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE IMPOSE ON OUR OUR EMPLOYEES. SO THAT MEANS THEIR PAYCHECK GOES BACK TO THOSE COMMUNITIES. AND I THINK ONLY ABOUT A THIRD OF THE STAFF WORKS IN DALLAS PROPER. AND SO AS WE LOOK AT OUR WAGES AND WHAT WE PAY, I THINK SOMETIMES IN SOME CATEGORIES, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, WE MAY START START CREEPING TOWARD THE TOP OF MARKET RATE. SO THESE ARE HARD CONVERSATIONS TO HAVE. THESE ARE REALLY HARD CONVERSATIONS TO HAVE. BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT NOT BE PLEASANT, BUT IT'S PRUDENT AND PRAGMATIC TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT, SO WE'RE SENDING MONEY OUT OF OUR CITY LIMITS. [06:10:04] SO I WANT TO GIVE BENEFITS AND I WANT TO GIVE GOOD WAGES, BUT I THINK WE ALSO HAVE TO BE WILLING TO HAVE A HARD CONVERSATION AND OPEN THE DOOR ABOUT HOW MUCH WE KEEP ESCALATING YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE IN LINE WITH THE MARKET. AND THAT WILL BE A CONVERSATION THAT I THINK COUNCIL WILL NEED TO HAVE AS A BODY. THANK YOU. IF I CAN, MR. MAYOR, I JUST WANTED TO TO ADDRESS DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE BENEFITS CONVERSATION. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE AND WE'VE ALREADY STARTED THE WORK, AND I'M REALLY PLEASED WITH WHERE WE ARE TODAY, WE WILL HAVE A FOCUSED BENEFITS CONVERSATION WITH YOU. BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING FROM OVERALL COST MITIGATION STRATEGIES. WE KNOW THAT NATIONALLY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MANY MUNICIPALITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY ARE FACING. JUST THE ONGOING RISING COSTS IN HEALTH CARE. AND SO WE'VE STARTED THAT WORK ALREADY. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE WORKING TO IDENTIFY WAYS TO EVEN LOOK AT SOME OF THE DIFFERENT TIERS. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE EMPLOYEE ONLY. WE HAVE EMPLOYEE PLUS, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAVE CHILDREN, THEN WE GOT EMPLOYEE PLUS SPOUSE. THEN WE GOT THE FAMILY PLANS. SOME OF THOSE PRACTICES HAVE CHANGED AND WE HAVEN'T NECESSARILY CHANGED. AND SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF CONVERSATION THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH WITH OUR EMPLOYEES. SO THEY HEAR THAT IN ADVANCE OF A BIG PUBLIC CONVERSATION. SO THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'VE BEEN A PART OF IT. BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I THINK ARE GOING TO BE PLEASED THAT I KNOW THAT MR. IRELAND AND HIS TEAM THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON, AND WE'LL BRING THAT BACK AS A MORE FOCUSED DISCUSSION. BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR YOUR COMMENTS, AND WE APPRECIATE IT. OH, I WANTED TO MENTION THE RESIDENCY PIECE. I REMEMBER SOME YEARS, YEARS, YEARS, YEARS AGO THAT CAME UP AS SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT, COULD LOOK AT A WAY TO INCENTIVIZE EMPLOYEES TO LIVE WITHIN THE CITY. I THINK THAT IN THIS CURRENT MARKET, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE HOUSING CONVERSATION, THAT'S WHERE I THINK IT GETS COMPLICATED. AND WE DEFINITELY WANT TO HAVE AN EMPLOYEE BASE THAT LIVES CLOSE BY AND THEY'RE IN THEIR CITY. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK IT IS PART OF A BROADER CONVERSATION ABOUT AFFORDABILITY, WHERE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, CAN REALLY LAND TO WHERE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE ABLE TO HAVE A, A WAGE THAT SUPPORTS IT. SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S COMPLICATED. IT'S BEEN LOOKED AT BEFORE. WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO HAVING THE CONVERSATION, BUT IT PROBABLY WILL BE ONE THAT WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. SO THANK YOU. AND THAT'S JUST AN ADDITIONAL BONUS AS WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO HAVE OUR WE TALK ABOUT ALL THE TIMES IN TERMS OF FIRST RESPONDERS, BUT REALLY IT AFFECTS EVERY MEMBER OF OUR CITY STAFF WHO IS NOT LIVING IN THE CITY. WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO LIVE IN THE CITY IN WHICH THEY WORK. THANK YOU. YEAH. GO AHEAD. TAMMY AND THEN CHAIRMAN GRACEY, I JUST WANTED TO PUT ON THE RECORD THAT THAT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE PROHIBITS MUNICIPALITIES FROM REQUIRING EMPLOYEES TO LIVE IN A CITY. SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE A STATE LEGISLATIVE CHANGE. SURE. AND I THINK WE HAD 10S, BUT THAT'S EVEN MORE INCENTIVE TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE CITY OF DALLAS SO THAT THEY CAN, BECAUSE WE CAN'T LEGALLY DO IT. CHAIRMAN GRACEY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WILL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE SURVEY AND PARTICIPATING IN THAT. BUT AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS AND THE MOMENTUM IS, I BELIEVE IS MOVING IN A POSITIVE DIRECTION. SOUTHERN DALLAS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T LOSE THE FOCUS ON THE SERVICES THAT ARE NEEDED, PARTICULARLY IN IN AN AREA. AND WE DO THIS MY DISTRICT THING, BUT THESE ARE LEGITIMATE THINGS. FOR EXAMPLE, FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY PERSPECTIVE MAKING SURE. I THINK THERE'S AN OPERATION OF AN AMBULANCE OUT IN THE MOUNTAIN CREEK AREA THAT'S NOT OPERATING 24 HOURS WHERE IT MAY BE OPERATING THAT WAY IN OTHER AREAS. SO JUST AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS, MAKING SURE WE DON'T LOSE THOSE PRACTICAL SERVICES THAT ARE NEEDED THROUGHOUT THE THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT, PARTICULARLY IN MY DISTRICT, BUT ALSO IN SOUTHERN DALLAS. SO I'LL BE FOLLOWING UP WITH MORE DETAILS ABOUT THAT. AND I'LL BE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THAT AS WELL. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS OR MAKE ANY COMMENTS RESPOND TO THIS? CITY MANAGER. MR.. MAYOR. THOSE. THIS IS THIS LAST BRIEFING CONCLUDES WHAT WE HAVE PRESENTED FOR YOU TODAY. AGAIN, WE WILL SEND OUT A FOLLOW UP THAT REMINDS YOU OF THE DATES AND THE TEAM WILL BE AVAILABLE TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THE THE POLLING QUESTIONS OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US JUST TO SEND YOU SOMETHING AND YOU ANSWER THE QUESTIONS IN YOUR OWN TIME AND SEND THEM BACK. WE WILL MAKE IT FLEXIBLE AND WE'LL MAKE IT WORK FOR EACH OF YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR TODAY. THANK YOU, MADAM SECRETARY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WE WILL WE WILL RETURN TO YOUR OPEN MICROPHONE. SPEAKERS. I WILL RECITE THE SPEAKER GUIDELINES. SPEAKERS MUST OBSERVE THE SAME RULES OF PROPRIETY. PAUL RIDLEY. PAUL RIDLEY, WHERE ARE YOU GOING? PAUL, WHERE ARE YOU? WHERE ARE YOU GOING? PROPRIETY AND DECORUM. AND GOOD CONDUCT APPLICABLE TO MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. [06:15:01] ANY SPEAKER MAKING PERSONAL AND PERTINENT, PROFANE OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS, OR WHO BECOMES BOISTEROUS WHILE ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE ROOM. FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE IN PERSON, FOR THOSE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS, YOU WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE SESSION. LIKE THAT BILL ROTH INDIVIDUALS BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. FOR THOSE IN PERSON SPEAKERS, YOU'LL NOTICE THE TIME ON THE MONITOR. FOR THOSE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS, I WILL WILL ANNOUNCE WHEN YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED. ALSO, SPEAKERS, PLEASE BE MINDFUL THAT DURING YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REFER TO A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER BY NAME AND ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO MAYOR JOHNSON. ONLY DOLORES PHILLIPS. DOLORES PHILLIPS. YOU DO HAVE HANDOUTS TOMORROW IN NAVARRO COUNTY COURT AT LAW IN CORSICANA, TEXAS P-19707. IT'S A HEARING WILL BE HELD CONCERNING MY DAD. MAYOR JOHNSON. IN 2023. MY DAD WAS IN REHABILITATION WELLNESS CENTER OF DALLAS AND HE PLEADED FOR ME NOT TO LEAVE HIM. IF I COULD HAVE PICKED HIM UP WITH MY BACK, I WOULD HAVE OF WHAT I'M HUMBLY SHARING WITH YOU IS THAT SOMEBODY MADE A CALL TO SEND MY DAD BACK IN 2023, AND IT WAS FOR MONETARY PROFIT. LET'S REWIND AND PLAY. BACK IN 2019, HE WAS HIT BY A TRUCK. NOW WHEN HE WAS HITTING CORSICANA, IT WAS WITNESSES WHO SAID IT WAS NOT MY DAD'S FAULT, BUT THEY WAS AFRAID TO COME FORWARD. SO NOW WE'RE HERE. BUT HIS DEMISE BEFORE HIS TIME, IT WILL NOT BE IN VAIN. I HEARD MISS MENDELSOHN SAY A LOT ABOUT MISS TOLBERT TALKING WITH THE CEO OF THE MAVERICKS. THIS BUILDING IS DONE. IT WAS NEVER ABOUT THE PEOPLE. THIS BUILDING HAS, BY METHODICAL ORCHESTRATION AND EXECUTION OF A MEETING OF THE MINDS PHYSICALLY IN THIS BUILDING FOR DECADES HAVE EXECUTED HURT, HARM AND TORTURE AND INNOCENT BLOODSHED, NOT JUST ON PEOPLE THAT LOOK LIKE YOU AND I, BUT WHITE PEOPLE, HISPANIC PEOPLE. A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU SEE YOUR PEOPLE COME UP HERE AND GET IN AWARDS TEN, 15, 20, 25 YEARS, PEOPLE THINK THAT THEY LEAVE ON THEIR OWN. MANY OF THEM WAS FORCED OUT BECAUSE POSSIBLY THEY KNOW TOO MUCH. BUT MY DAD'S DEMISE BEFORE HIS TIME IS NOT GOING TO BE IN VAIN. I'M SHARING WITH YOU THIS BUILDING IS DONE BEFORE THEY WENT OVER THERE TO FORT WORTH AND HAD FORMER FORMER POLICE CHIEF FITZGERALD FIRED FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING. THEM SAME WHITE BROTHERS WAS IN THAT FLAG ROOM SAYING, WE GOING TO FORT WORTH? BUT YOU DON'T SEE IT UNTIL IT HAPPENED. SO I'VE BEEN SPEAKING EVER SINCE 2012. IF YOU DO THE RESEARCH, IT'S OVER 20% OF THE PEOPLE THAT WENT TO THE CAPITOL ARE FROM TEXAS. WHEN THEY DID THE PROTEST AND THEN THEY HAD THE ARREST, I REALLY DO BELIEVE, MAYOR JOHNSON, THAT THE PEOPLE IS TRYING TO GET THE FEEL OF THE RESPONSE TIME BECAUSE THIS BUILDING IS DONE. DON'T LOOK AT ME LIKE I'M DANGEROUS. THEY DID A LOT OF HARMFUL CONTRACTS WITH THESE WHITE PEOPLE AND THEY MAD AT THIS BUILDING. THAT'S YOUR TIME. BUT MY DAD'S DEMISE WON'T BE IN VAIN. I'LL BE IN CORSICANA, TEXAS. ABOUT HOW THEY PLAN TO TAKE HIS MONEY. Y'ALL, THAT'S YOUR TIME. Y'ALL DO START WITH MY DAD. WE AIN'T GOING TO LET IT BE IN VAIN. Y'ALL TAKE ME FOR STEVE DAVIS. STEVE DAVIS IS NOT PRESENT. NICOLE. MICAH. NICOLE. MICAH IS VIRTUAL HERE. CAN YOU HEAR ME? I CAN HEAR YOU. HOWEVER, YOUR VIDEO IS NOT DISPLAYING. OH, HANG ON ONE SECOND, PLEASE. OKAY, WE CAN SEE YOU. PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. GIVE ME ONE SECOND. ALL RIGHT. APOLOGIZE. GIVE ME TWO SECONDS. I'M ALL SET UP. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE, BY THE WAY. OKAY, I AM READY. [06:20:04] OKAY. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO WHAT DO YOU GUYS USUALLY IS? IT IS BANNING HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGES. OF COURSE. LET ME START OVER. GOOD EVENING, HORSE SHAUN. OR LET ME START OVER. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS. WHAT DO YOU USUALLY ASSOCIATE WITH? SO SAY HORSES WITH. DO YOU THINK OF FREEDOM, SPEED AND POWER? HORSES ARE A SYMBOL OF STRENGTH, UNTAMED SPIRIT AND IN ELEGANCE. WHILE THE HORSES ARE USUALLY IN NEVADA, ARIZONA, CALIFORNIA, UTAH AND WYOMING. THEY ROAM LONG DISTANCES DAILY. THEY LIVE IN SOCIAL HERDS, GRAZE AND REST NATURALLY, WHERE CARRIAGE HORSES STAND, WHERE CARRIAGE HORSES STAND TIED. I'M SORRY I LOST WHERE WE'RE. WE'RE CARRIAGE HORSES THERE. STAND TIED IN STALLS. BASICALLY. OKAY, SO THEY LIVE IN SOCIAL HERDS. GRAZE AND REST NATURALLY. WHERE CARRIAGE HORSES STAND TIED IN STALLS. OR CARRIAGE HORSES STAND TIED FOR HOURS WORK. EXTREME HEAT OR COLD. THEY LIVE IN STALLS WHEN NOT WORKING. WHEN NOT WORKING, THEY GET LITTLE WATER AND BREAKS, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT FOR HORSES THAT DON'T DON'T LINE UP WITH CARRIAGE HORSES BASED ON THE DRAMATIC DIFFERENCES IT IS MORALLY. IS IT MORALLY RIGHT TO KEEP THESE HORSES IN ENTERTAINMENT? THAN THAT I'M REALLY SCREWING THIS UP. SO BASICALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ALL OVER, BUT. I COMPLETELY GOT SCREWED UP. SO BASICALLY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU SEE HORSES IN THE WILD AND HORSES FOR HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGES, STARK DIFFERENCE. THE STARK DIFFERENCES, OBVIOUSLY, IS THAT IN THE WILD THEY'RE SOCIAL. THEY NEED DISTANCE TO ROAM, GRAZE AND REST. AND THE CARRIAGE HORSES IS OBVIOUSLY THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE, WHERE THEY ARE WORKING IN EXTREME HEAT AND COLD, LIVE IN STALLS WHERE THEY, WHEN THEY'RE NOT WORKING, GET LITTLE WATER AND BREAKS. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE AMONG, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE AMONG JUST BEING OUT AND ABOUT, NOT BEING ABLE TO GET INTO NATURAL ENVIRONMENTS. SO THAT'S THE BASICS OF WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET ABOUT. EVEN THOUGH I KIND OF GOT A LITTLE SCREWED UP HERE. SO BASICALLY, IN THE END, I'LL WRAP IT UP AS IT'S MORALLY RIGHT TO KEEP THESE HORSES IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT THEY ARE IN FOR THE TIME TO BRING THEM WHERE THEY MEANT TO BE FREE IN THEIR NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. THESE HORSES ARE WILD AT HEART, NOT WORKING IN THE STREETS. SO EVEN THOUGH MY SPEECH GOT A LITTLE SCREWED UP, THAT'S YOUR TIME, YOU GUYS. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. BYE. GLORIA CARBAJAL. GOOD AFTERNOON. COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYOR JOHNSON. MY NAME IS GLORIA CARBAJAL, CO-FOUNDER OF BAN HORSE CARRIAGES. DALLAS. TODAY MARKS MY 14TH TIME SPEAKING BEFORE YOU ON THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE. I'LL START AGAIN LIKE I DID LAST LAST MONTH. 2026 IS THE YEAR OF THE HORSE. IMAGINE BEING A SENSITIVE SOUL, STANDING ALONE IN A CROWDED AREA, SURROUNDED, SURROUNDED BY THE CACOPHONY OF CITY SOUNDS. THE DISTANT SIRENS PIERCING THROUGH THE AIR, GROWING LOUDER WITH EACH PASSING MOMENT. SIGNALING. SIGNALING. IMPLEMENTING CHAOS. PITCHER. CAR AFTER CAR CROSSING BY PASSING BY. EXCUSE ME. SOME OF THE. SOME OF THE SPEEDS THAT SEND SHIVERS DOWN YOUR SPINE, WHILE OTHERS MOVE AT A PACE THAT SEEMS ALMOST SUFFOCATING. TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY, ON THIS ONE PARTICULAR NIGHT, THIS ONE HORSE IS SUBJECTED TO THE WHIM OF A DRIVER WHO IS UNCARING, WHO OFTEN NEGLECTS TO PROVIDE EVEN THE BASICS FOR THE MOST SIMPLEST OF MERCIES, WATER AND REST IN ACCORDANCE TO THE CITY ORDINANCES. YET IN THOSE RARE MOMENTS WHEN COMPASSION BREAKS THROUGH AND A GROUP OF KIND SOULS APPEAR, HOLDING SIGNS OF EMPATHY. FOR A MOMENT, FOR A MOMENT, THE HORSE, THE HORSES IS REMEMBERED AND THEIR PLIGHT [06:25:02] IS ACKNOWLEDGED. PLEASE REINTRODUCE THE BAN ON HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGES. THIS WOULD BE A STEP TOWARDS A MORE COMPASSIONATE AND RESPONSIBLE CITY. IF NOT FOR THE WELFARE OF THE HORSES. THEN PERHAPS FOR THE SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC. ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. I AM HUMBLED TO BE HERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JODIE WHITTAKER. GOOD AFTERNOON, DALLAS CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR JOHNSON, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS JODIE WHITTAKER, AND I AM THE FOUNDER AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE PARTNERSHIP TO BAN HORSE CARRIAGES WORLDWIDE. HORSES, 1000 PLUS POUNDS FOR ANIMALS WHO CAN, WHO CAN AND DO SPOOK AT NEAR NOISES OR MOVEMENTS, NO MATTER HOW MUCH TRAINING THEY HAVE HAD, ARE CONTROLLED BY WHIPS, CHAINS AND ONE OF THE MOST DISGUSTING DEVICES EVER CREATED. THE BIT DESIGNED TO CONTROL HORSES BY APPLYING PRESSURE IN THE MOUTH. THE BIT IS A METAL DEVICE HELD IN PLACE IN A HORSE'S MOUTH BY A BRIDLE, THEN ATTACHED TO THE REINS OR LEAF ADVOCATES WERE A BIT LESS WRITING, AND MOST ANIMAL ADVOCATES ARGUE THAT BITS ARE INHERENTLY AVERSIVE BECAUSE THEY FUNCTION BY CONTROLLING HORSES THROUGH THE INFLICTION OF, OR THREAT OF PAIN IN THE MOUTH, KNOWN TO HAVE AN EXTREMELY HIGH DENSITY OF SENSORY RECEPTORS. STUDIES AND OBSERVATIONS SUGGEST THAT BITS CAN CAUSE BRUISING, LACERATIONS TO THE TONGUE OR GUMS, AND LONG TERM DAMAGE TO THE JAWBONE AND TEETH. SPECIFIC DESIGNS, SUCH AS SPIKED BITS OR THORN BITS, EXCUSE ME, ARE EXPLICITLY CLASSIFIED AS TORTURE DEVICES AND ARE LEGAL IN SOME REGIONS, INCLUDING INDIA, BECAUSE THEY ARE DESIGNED TO CUT AND RIP INTO THE HORSE'S MOUTH, LIPS AND TONGUES, CAUSING THEM EXTREME PAIN, BLOODY WOUNDS, IMMENSE PSYCHOLOGICAL TRAUMA AND LIFELONG. SOME EXPERTS ARGUE THAT BITS INTERFERE WITH THE HORSE'S ABILITY TO BREATHE PROPERLY DURING INTENSE EXERCISE AND TRIGGER A FLIGHT RESPONSE THAT CAUSES SYSTEMIC STRESS. OF COURSE, MOST EQUESTRIAN ORGANIZATIONS AND TRAINERS VIEW THE BIT NOT AS A WEAPON, BUT AS A REFINED TOOL FOR COMMUNICATION. SUPPORTERS EMPHASIZE THAT A BIT IS ONLY AS HARSH AS THE RIDER'S HANDS IN THE HANDS OF A SKILLED RIDER. IT PROVIDES SUBTLE CUES THAT THE HORSE CAN FOLLOW WITH MINIMAL PRESSURE. BUT AS WE HAVE SEEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN, HORSE CARE. HORSE CARRIAGE OPERATORS CAN AND DO USE PAIN AND FEAR TO CONTROL THE HORSES AND THEIR CARE. RIDER IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THESE UNLUCKY EQUINES. IAN MCKEEVER, A NEW YORK CITY CARRIAGE HORSE DRIVER, WAS CHARGED WITH ANIMAL CRUELTY FOR ABUSING AND OVERWORKING RIDER IN AUGUST OF 2022. VIRAL VIDEO SHOWED MCKEEVER SNAPPING RAINS, WHIPPING AND YELLING AT THE HORSE TO STAND UP AFTER HE COLLAPSED ON A BUSY STREET. IF SOME CARRIAGE DRIVERS CARE ABOUT THE HORSES THEY EXPLOIT. I'M SURE THEY DO. BUT WE WILL NEVER KNOW WHO IS KIND AND WHO WILL CAUSE TORMENT. SO THE ONLY WAY TO PROTECT THESE GENTLE GIANTS IS TO TAKE THEM OUT OF THE EQUATION AND OFF THE STREETS. IT'S 2026, AND I BELIEVE EVERY COMPASSIONATE PERSON WANTS LIVING, FEELING BEINGS TO BE AND LIVE AS FREE AS POSSIBLE. YET THESE MAJESTIC ANIMALS HAVE ZERO CONTROL OVER THEIR BODIES, MINDS, OR WILLS, AND ARE FORCED TO PULL HEAVY LOADS OF MANY PEOPLE AROUND FOR HOURS IN A CHAOTIC URBAN ENVIRONMENT BY THEIR MOUTHS. IS THAT YOUR TIME? DANGEROUS PRACTICE? PLEASE DO. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. BEING RANDOLPH IS NOT PRESENT. MR.. MAYOR. THIS CONCLUDES YOUR OPEN MICROPHONE SPEAKERS. AND IT ALSO CONCLUDES YOUR AGENDA FOR THIS MEETING. WONDERFUL THE TIME BEING. 3:59 P.M. THIS MEETING IN DALLAS CITY COUNCIL IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. MEMBERS. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.