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[Landmark Commission on April 6, 2026.]
TO THE MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION.IT IS 1 0 2, AND I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
I AM EVELYN MONTGOMERY, THE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION, AND DAVID POSI IS WITH ME.
HE IS THE NEWLY APPOINTED VICE CHAIR.
IT'S, IT'S, UM, OFFICIAL NOW, AND WE HAVE A FORUM OF WONDERFUL, BRILLIANT COMMISSIONERS.
UM, ELAINE, WOULD YOU PLEASE DO A ROLL CALL OF SAID COMMISSIONERS, DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS.
COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY PRESENT, DISTRICT THREE.
COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN PRESENT, DISTRICT FOUR.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR PRESENT, DISTRICT SIX.
COMMISSIONER HENA HOSA WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY.
DISTRICT SEVEN, COMMISSIONER SMITH PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER IN PRESENT DISTRICT 12.
COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER, DISTRICT 13.
COMMISSIONER HARPER WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON PRESENT.
AND DO, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY SIGNED UP TO BE A PUBLIC SPEAKER ON SOMETHING OTHER THAN AN AGENDA ITEM.
SO WE NEED TO PROCEED WITH HAVING OUR VICE CHAIR ADDRESS THE REARRANGEMENT OF THE AGENDA AND THE CONSENT ITEMS. I MEAN, FIRST YOU WANT ME TO MAKE A MOTION ABOUT 17? YEAH.
I HAVE A MOTION TO MAKE ABOUT CON ABOUT AGENDA.
ITEM NUMBER 17 IS CURRENTLY ON THE DISCUSSION AGENDA, BUT IT IS ASKING FOR CHANGES THAT ARE WITHIN THE ORDINANCE AND UP FOR STAFF APPROVAL.
SO I, UH, MOVE THAT WE MOVE IT TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
SO NOW ITEM 17 WILL BE MOVED TO THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE COVERED BY THAT VOTE ON ALL CONSENT ITEMS. OKAY.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO MOTIONS HERE FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.
UH, A MOVE THAT WE APPROVE, UH, CONSENT.
UH, WELL AGENDA ITEM SINCE WE'RE NOT KNOWN LONGER, DOING CONSENT.
UH, AGENDA ITEM TWO, FIVE THROUGH 12 AND 17, UH, BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
SECOND ITEM I, OKAY, SO IT IS, UH, ITEM TWO, FIVE THROUGH 12 AND 17.
AND COMMISSIONER SMITH WAS THE SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY YES.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS MUST STEP OUT OF THE ROOM NOW BECAUSE HE IS CONFUSED, NOT BECAUSE WE DISLIKE HIM.
COMMISSIONER, UH, CUMMINGS'S, UH, CONFLICT WITH CASES NUMBER THREE AND FOUR.
AND SO I WOULD MOVE THAT WE APPROVE, UH, ITEMS NUMBER THREE AND FOUR BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
SECOND, I BELIEVE THE SECOND WAS REEVES.
THE FIRST SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER REEVES.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY YES.
AND MR. CUMIN, AND I'LL COME BACK IF THE ONE COULD WAIT AGAIN.
AND NOW I'M, UH, MAKING A MOTION TO REARRANGE THE AGENDA AS FOLLOWS.
UH, WE WILL HAVE, UH, CASE NUMBER 13 15 16, 19 14, 18 AND 20 13, 15, 16, 19 AND 20.
YOU SURE YOU SAID THAT THE FIRST TIME? 'CAUSE I SWEAR, I'M SURE.
NOW, THANK YOU FOR VERIFYING MY CORRECTNESS.
DID WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND IS REUSED ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, THEN THAT HAS CARRIED.
AND THAT MEANS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE BEGIN WITH, UH, CASE 13, WHICH IS, UH, A COURTESY REVIEW.
SO WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS WITH OUR APPLICANT AND GIVE THEM HELPFUL SUGGESTIONS FOR SUCCESS MOVING FORWARD.
BUT WE WILL NOT BE MAKING A, OH GOSH.
WE MUST HAVE ONE OF THOSE COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER VOLUNTEERS BECAUSE HE'S A BRAVE AND WONDERFUL MAN.
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DID I NOT WARN YOU ABOUT, OH,AND I ASSUME OUR SPEAKER IS ONLINE.
SO DO WE NEED TO READ THIS VOICE? SHE HASN'T READ IT IN YET.
OH, SHE HASN'T READ IT IN YET.
YEAH, WE HAVE TO EVERYTHING IN THE RIGHT ORDER.
SO JUST STAND THERE FOR A WHILE WAITING FOR US.
UH, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, ARE WE READING IN THE COUNCIL DISTRICT AS WELL NOW? UH, SURE.
I MEAN, JUST READ WHAT'S THERE.
COUNCIL DISTRICT TWO PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION.
HISTORIC DISTRICT COA 26 0 0 0 1 1 3 A REQUEST A, A COURTESY REVIEW OF REPLACEMENT OF THE EXTERIOR STAIRCASE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE EXISTING CARRIAGE HOUSE WITH AN ADDITION CONSTRUCTING A THREE CAR CARPORT DIRECTLY BEHIND THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND NEW STEEL FRAME SCREEN FENCE AND DRIVEWAY GATES.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION REQUIRED THAT THE REQUEST TO REPLACE THE EXTERIOR STAIRCASE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE EXISTING CARRIAGE HOUSE WITH AN ADDITION CONSTRUCTION OF A THREE CAR CARPORT DIRECTLY BEHIND MAIN STRUCTURE AND NEW STEEL FRAME SCREEN FENCE AND DRIVEWAY GATES BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH FOLLOWING COMMENTS.
COLUMN SHOULD BE SKIN TO MIMIC PLASTERERS ON BACK OF HOUSE 8 9 8 INCHES.
RECOMMEND A 12 INCH BEAM ACROSS TOP MIMIC FREEZE BOARD.
NEED TO KNOW ROOF MATERIAL AND COLOR.
THE FENCE MUST BE AT OR BEHIND THE FRONT 50% ON THE HOUSE.
AND WE DO HAVE OUR SPEAKER HERE.
IS THE MICROPHONE TURNED ON? DO YOU SEE THE RED LIGHT? GREEN LIGHT? NOT A RED LIGHT.
SO PLEASE BEGIN, SIR, BY STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
SO WHAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION MIGHT YOU LIKE TO SHARE WITH US? AND THEN WE WILL SHARE COMMENTS WITH YOU.
'CAUSE SOME OF THE PEOPLE AT HOME MAY HAVE TROUBLE HEARING WITH THEIR SYSTEMS. OKAY.
SO YOU JUST WANNA ANSWER QUESTIONS? I AM AVAILABLE TO ANSWER.
COMMISSIONERS OPEN FOR YOUR COMMENTS, SUGGESTIONS, AND QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROPOSED PROJECT COMMISSIONER.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I, I NOTICED THAT SOME OF THE, IT LOOKS AS IF SOME OF THE, UH, TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS HAD ALREADY BEEN, UM, UH, ADDRESSED.
I MIGHT END UP REITERATING A FEW OF THEM.
THEN, UM, JUST BEGINNING WITH THE CARRIAGE HOUSE ITSELF, UM, THE, UH, THE EXTENSION OF THE ROOF THAT'S COVERING THE PORCH MM-HMM
UM, IF YOU, THE EXISTING ONE, UH, THE LITTLE GABLE EXTENDING, SEE HOW IT HAS THAT, UM, THAT CROSS MEMBER UNDERNEATH IT SUPPORTING THE GABLE.
UM, ALL I WAS THINKING WAS ADDING A HORIZONTAL UNDERNEATH THE, UM, THE ADDITION.
SO IF YOU GO TO THE, UH, TO THE PROPOSED VERSION, THIS SLIDE, UH, LET'S SEE.
YEAH, ON THE EXTENSION OF THE ROOF AS IT'S COMING DOWN WAS JUST TO PUT A LATERAL SUPPORT OR HORIZONTAL SUPPORT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? UNDERNEATH THE, THE ROOF EXTENSION? I CAN POINT TO IT, BUT, UM, THE ROOF OVERHANG THAT'S COMING OVER THE MM-HMM.
THE ENTRY DOWN BELOW IS JUST TO, TO ADD A HORIZONTAL, UH, SUPPORT THE, A BRACES OR, YEAH.
UM, THEN I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THE, THE VERTICAL BEDROOM WINDOWS, THAT GRADE MM-HMM
UM, THAT LOOK LIKE ABOUT A THREE TO ONE PROPORTION.
UM, MOST OF THE OTHER WINDOWS ON THE HOME ARE ABOUT, OR ON THE, UH, THE CARRIAGE HOUSE OR EITHER A TWO TO ONE OR MAYBE ONE AND A HALF TO ONE.
I WAS WONDERING IF YOU'D CONSIDER A TWO TO ONE ON THOSE, UH, JUST TO RAISE THEM UP OFF OF THE FLOOR,
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THE TWO TALL VERTICAL ONES.THIS CARRIAGE HOUSE IS ABOUT FOUR FEET FROM THE FENCE.
AND SO, UH, YEAH, IT WOULDN'T BE VISIBLE.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY JUST, BUT SURE YOU MEAN, YEAH.
THESE ARE JUST, THAT'S A BEDROOM THAT NEEDS PUT RIGHT UP THERE WHEN WE'RE DONE AND THE SEAL'S CLOSE TO THE FLOOR, WE COULD RAISE THE OKAY.
AND THEN, UM, I WAS WONDERING ON THE, UH, THE GABLE THAT'S ON THE PORT OR THAT'S ON THE, THE CARPORT, IF YOU'D CONSIDER RUNNING IT, UM, 90 DEGREES TO THE DIRECTION, BECAUSE NORMALLY, OR I MEAN, I GUESS ONE WAY, UH, TO THINK ABOUT IT IS YOUR, YOUR SHORTER SPAN IS FRONT TO BACK OF THE, IN, YOU KNOW, THE LENGTH OF THE CAR AND YOU, YOU'VE GOT IT ALONG.
YOU'VE GOT THE GABLE ON THE, THE LONG SIDE.
I WAS WONDERING IF YOU'D ROTATE AT 90 DEGREES UNLESS YOU WANTED TO REALLY FEATURE THE, THE ARCH THAT'S, I MEAN THE, THE TRUSS THAT'S UNDERNEATH.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? BECAUSE IT'LL BE 90 DEGREES TO WHERE YOU'RE DRIVING, SO YOU WON'T REALLY SEE IT UNLESS YOU'RE IN THE BACKYARD.
UM, BUT IT, IT KIND OF MAKES A LONG SPAN ON THAT, ON THE ARCH.
UH, IF YOU GO TO THE CARPORT ELEVATIONS YEAH.
I WAS JUST THINKING IF YOU PUT THE, THE TRUSS ON THE SHORT SIDE RATHER THAN ON THE LONG SIDE, WE COULD DO THAT.
I MEAN, IT'S ESSENTIALLY LIKE A PARSONS TABLE STEEL STRUCTURE PLA, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND I, THE ONLY REASON I DID THIS WAS IS 'CAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE THE GUTTER, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE DRIVE UNDER.
IF YOU ROTATED IT, YOU NEED A GUTTER THAT DRIVE UNDERNEATH, WHICH WE COULD DO UHHUH
THE OTHER ONE, WELL THE OTHER ONE WAS THE, THE, THE COLUMN SIZES.
BUT IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT.
WE'VE, WE'VE FATTEN THEM UP AND IT DOES LOOK LIKE.
AND COMMISSIONER RENO, I HAVE JUST BEEN REMINDED BY STAFF THAT THEY HAVE THEIR NEW SHEETS WHERE WE FILL IN THE SUGGESTIONS WE MADE.
AND I, YOU HAVE ALREADY DONE THAT.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE SUGGESTIONS BUT DID NOT DO YOUR HOMEWORK THE WAY HE DID, PLEASE PROCEED TO DO SO.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF HERE AND THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE DOCKET, IT SAYS 4 6 1 6 GASTON IS, DID A DIFFERENT ONE GET IN THERE? YEAH.
'CAUSE THIS ONE TALKS ABOUT TUDOR GABLE INAPPROPRIATE OR CRAFTSMAN PERRY STYLE.
I WAS LIKE, THAT DOESN'T WORK.
SO THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT ONES.
THAT ONE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE AND IT WAS WITHDRAWN.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE PROJECT, INCLUDING PRAISE, IF YOU HAVE ANY OR SUGGESTIONS, ANDERSON? YEAH, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE, UM, THE CARPORT.
SOME OF IT NEEDS TO BE MORE, UM, IN KEEPING WITH THE, THE MAIN BUILDING.
IN FACT, WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THE CARPORT IS, DOES A LITTLE BIT SMALLER THAN THE ACCESSORY BUILDING AS IT IS TODAY.
SO IT NEEDS TO HAVE, IN MY OPINION, A A, A MAJOR ROOF STRUCTURE THAT MAKES IT FEEL LIKE IT'S A VICTORIAN BUILDING BECAUSE IT KIND OF LOOKS CONTEMPORARY WITH A LOW PITCH ROOF.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE MORE, UH, THE ROOF PITCH THAT NEEDS TO MATCH CLOSER TO EITHER THE HOUSE OR THE ACCESSORY BUILDING.
THE ACCESSORY BUILDING IS GABLE AND I BELIEVE THE HOUSE IS HIP.
SO I GUESS YOU COULD CHOOSE EITHER ONE.
IS THERE A PREFERENCE BETWEEN HIP OR GABLE FOR THE ACCESSORY BUILDING? ANYBODY HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT? BECAUSE THE MAIN HOUSE, I BELIEVE IS A HIP AND THE ACCESSORY BUILDING IS A GABLE.
YEAH, IT'S A HIP WITH A GABLE.
WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT ROTATING THE, UM, ROTATING THE SLOPE MM-HMM
UM, THE, THE PITCH COULD BE HIGHER THAN, UM, AS OPPOSED TO THE, THE LONGING.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? BECAUSE THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED NOW, IT KIND OF LOOKS MORE CONTEMPORARY, ALMOST RANCH LIKE MAYBE.
WELL, I THINK WE USE FOUR 12 FOR THE CARPORT.
UH, BUT THE, THE, I THINK CARRIAGE HOUSE IS SIX, SO WE CAN MAKE IT SIX AND WE COULD ROTATE IT IF YOU WANT RECALL.
IT JUST NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE IT'S AN OUT BUILDING.
I WAS JUST ASSUMING WE'D WANT TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF USE A CONSISTENT TRIBUTED SO IT'S SIMPLE
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TO BUILD.IT JUST NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE IT'S AN ACCESSORY BUILDING TO A NEOCLASSICAL HOUSE INSTEAD OF A, A LOWER PITCH.
ANYBODY ELSE? ANYBODY AT HOME? OKAY.
OKAY, SO WE'RE SAYING WE LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT IT THEN GO AHEAD FORWARD 'CAUSE KIND OF THING THAT WE DON'T ASK US.
ALL RIGHTY THEN WE, WE WILL LOOK FOR YOU TO COME BACK WITH YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION TO GET, AM I TO PRESUME THAT WE SHOULD MAKE THE CHANGES WHEN WE COME BACK TO GO THE SEE PITCH AND ROTATE THE ROOF? UH, YEAH, BEFORE YOU COME BACK TO ACTUALLY APPLY FOR YOUR CERTIFICATE OF JUST DO MAKE ALL YOUR CHANGES AND THAT YOU'RE GONNA MAKE ONE.
UM, AND THEY SUBMITTING THEM TO STAFF SO STAFF CAN HELP YOU KEEP UP WITH WHAT WAS SAID AND, AND, AND HELP YOU SEE IF YOU'RE, IF IT, IF THEY THINK THAT IT'S WHAT WE WERE THINKING,
RHONDA DUNN SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1201 MAIN STREET.
IT'S IN THE DOWNTOWN OR THE TASK FORCE THAT ADDRESSES.
THIS IS THE DOWNTOWN CBD INDIVIDUAL HISTORIC DISTRICT TASK FORCE CASE NUMBER COA DASH 26 DASH 120.
THE REQUEST ARE AS FOLLOWS, ONE.
TO AMEND THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS NUMBER COA DASH 25 DASH 4 65 4 65 FOR THE PROPOSED EAST PLAZA OUTDOOR DINING AREA ON FIELD STREET TO INCLUDE ALTERATIONS IN LANDSCAPING AND HARDSCAPING INCLUDING DECKING, INSTALLATION OF OUTDOOR LIGHTING, INSTALLATION OF NEW SWING DOORS LEADING TO OUTDOOR DINING AREA.
INSTALLATION OF MECHANICAL ENCLOSURE AT ENTRANCE TO DINING AREA AND COVERAGE SLASH OVERLAY OF EXISTING SCREENING WALL WITH AN ART INSTALLATION REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE NON-CONTRIBUTING MECHANICAL ADDITION ON NORTH ELEVATION ELM STREET REQUEST NUMBER THREE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE SIGNAGE KIOSK TO TOTAL AND CONCRETE SCREENING WALLS ON MAIN STREET.
REQUEST NUMBER FOUR, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL AN ILLUMINATED ARCH ARCH.
IN OTHER WORDS, AN ART INSTALLATION ABOVE EXISTING STAIRCASE AT THE CORNER OF FIELD STREET AND ELM STREET.
REQUEST NUMBER FIVE IS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW RAISED GFCR PLANTER BOXES AND OUTDOOR LIGHTING AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE MAIN BUILDING.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS TO REQUEST NUMBER ONE, THE STAFF RECOMME RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST TO AMEND CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS NUMBER COA DASH 25 DASH 4 65 FOR THE PROPOSED EAST PLAZA OUTDOOR DINING AREA ON FIELD STREET TO INCLUDE ALTERATIONS IN LANDSCAPING AND HARDSCAPING INCLUDING DECKING, INSTALLATION OF OUTDOOR LIGHTING, INSTALLATION OF NEW SWING DOORS LEADING TO OUTDOOR DINING AREA.
INSTALLATION OF MECHANICAL ENCLOSURE AT ENTRANCE TO DINING AREA AND COVERAGE AND OR OVERLAY OF EXISTING SCREENING WALL WITH AN ART INSTALLATION BE APPROVED ACCORDING TO DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 23 20 26 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT EXISTING ORIGINAL PLANTERS IN THE EAST PLAZA BE RETAINED AND OR REPAIRED, THE PLANTERS ARE PROTECTED THAT NEW DRIVEWAYS, SIDEWALKS, STEPS AND WALKWAYS BE CONSTRUCTED OF EXPOSED AGGREGATE CONCRETE OR STONE MATCHING THE EXISTING IN COLOR PATTERN AND TEXTURE AND THAT THE NEW PLANT MATERIAL BE NATIVE TO NORTH TEXAS.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTIONS 3.5 AND THREE POINT A SUBSECTION C UNDER BUILDING SITE AND LANDSCAPING THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD STAFF.
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TWO THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE NON-CONTRIBUTING MECHANICAL ADDITION ON NORTH ELEVATION ELM STREET BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 23 20 26 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT ANY DAMAGE TO THE MAIN BUILDING DURING REMOVAL BE REPAIRED WITH MATERIALS MATCHING IN MATCHING IN COMPOSITION, COLOR AND TEXTURE.IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION STAFF RECOMMENDATION THREE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE SIGNAGE KIOSK TO TOTAL AND CONCRETE SCREENING WALLS ON MAIN STREET BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 23 20 26 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT ANY DAMAGE TO THE MAIN BUILDING DURING REMOVAL BE REPAIRED WITH MATERIALS MATCHING COMPOSITION, COLOR AND TEXTURE.
AND THAT ANY DAMAGE TO THE STREET LEVEL SIDEWALK DURING REMOVAL OF KIOSK BE BE REPAIRED WITH BRICKS AND OR PAVERS MATCHING IN COLOR MODULE SIZE AND FINISH IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
RECOMMENDATION FOUR THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL AN ILLUMINATED ARCH.
IN OTHER WORDS, AN ART INSTALLATION ABOVE THE EXISTING STAIRCASE AT THE CORNER OF FIELD STREET AND ELM STREET.
WE'VE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE STAIRCASE IS A PROTECTED CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE THAT SHOULD NOT BE OBSCURED OR ATTACHED TO THE PROPOSED WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERION.
SECTION 3.4 UNDER BUILDING SITE AND LANDSCAPING THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FIVE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW RAISED GFCR PLANTER BOXES AND OUTDOOR LIGHTING AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 23 20 26 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT ORIGINAL PLANTERS IN EAST AND WEST PLAZAS BE RETAINED AND ARE REPAIRED.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH RESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 3.8 SUBSECTION C PERTAINING TO LANDSCAPING THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION FOR REQUEST NUMBER ONE THAT THE REQUEST TO AMEND CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS COA 25 DASH 0 0 0 4 6 5 FOR THE PROPOSED EAST PLAZA OUTDOOR DINING AREA ON FIELD STREET TO INCLUDE ALTERATIONS AND LANDSCAPING AND HARDSCAPING INCLUDING DECKING, INSTALLATION OF OUTDOOR LIGHTING, INSTALLATION OF NEW SWING DOORS LEADING TO OUTDOOR DINING AREA, INSTALLATION OF MECHANICAL ENCLOSURE AT ENTRANCE TO DINING AREA AND COVERAGE OVERLAY OF EXISTING SCREENING WALL WITH ART INSTALLATION BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
REQUEST NUMBER TWO THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE NON-CONTRIBUTING MECHANICAL ADDITION ON NORTH ELEVATION ALONG ELM STREET BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT IDENTIFIED THE DATE OF CONSTRUCTION TO ASCERTAIN THAT THE ADDITION IS NON-CONTRIBUTING.
NUMBER THREE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE SIGNAGE KIOSKS TO TOTAL AND CONCRETE SCREENING WALLS ON MAIN STREET BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT IDENTIFIED THE DATE OF CONSTRUCTION TO ASCERTAIN THAT THE SCREENING WALLS ARE NON-CONTRIBUTING.
REQUEST NUMBER FOUR, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL AN ELIMINATED ARCH IE AND ART INSTALLATION ABOVE THE EXISTING STAIRCASE OF THE CORNER OF FIELD STREET AND ELM STREET BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
REQUEST NUMBER FIVE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF
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APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW RAISED GFCR PLANTER BOXES AND OUTDOOR LIGHTING AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE MAIN BUILDING BE APPROVED, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DRAWING AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED FEBRUARY 23RD, 2026, THAT THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT ORIGINAL PLANTERS AND EAST AND WEST PLAZAS BE RETAINED AND REPAIRED AND THAT THEY'RE PROTECTED IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.SECTION 38 POINT C PERTAINING TO LANDSCAPING THE STANDARDS IN THE CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER.
THOSE SOUNDED REMARKABLY LIKE A STAFF PERSON'S WAY OF SAYING IT.
I ASSUME IT'S SOMEONE ON THE, UM, TASK FORCE THAT DOES THAT, DOES THAT NOW WE HAVE SPEAKERS SIGNED UP TO DISCUSS THIS.
UM, I SHOULD KNOW ALL OF YOU BY NOW.
ARE YOU MR. RAMSEY? YES, MA'AM.
YOU KNOW THE DRILL, YOU NEED TO GIVE ME YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOUR PROMISE OR SWEAR IN THAT YOU'RE GONNA TELL US THE TRUTH.
UH, THE ADDRESS IS 5,400 LLBJ FREEWAY, SUITE 1 25, DALLAS, TEXAS.
UH, AND I SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.
OKAY, GO AHEAD SIR AND TELL US SOME MORE ABOUT YOUR, UM, PROJECT.
OKAY, WELL, WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN IN A LITTLE BIT THIS MORNING, UH, AND HEAR YOU ALL DISCUSSING.
SO I KNOW THE HOT TICKET ITEMS ARE THE ARCH, UH, AND I THINK THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION REGARDING THE DECKING.
UH, SO I JUST WANTED TO GO OVER THE DECKING REAL QUICK.
UH, THAT WAS THE SAME SPECIFICATION THAT WAS APPROVED ON THE PREVIOUS SUBMITTAL, UM, THAT WE'RE AMENDING TODAY.
UM, SO I JUST, I WANTED TO MAKE THAT KNOWN THAT SPECIFICATION HAS NOT CHANGED.
UM, AND IF YOU DID HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OVER THAT, UM, I'D LOVE TO GO AHEAD AND HEAR THOSE AT THIS TIME.
WELL, WE'RE GONNA HEAR FROM ALL SPEAKERS FIRST BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING, I THINK IF NORMAL THOUGHT WE DO.
WELL THEN WE'LL SHOUT THAT UNTIL YOU ALL ARE READY.
UH, SO REGARDING THE ARCH, UM, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO TAKE A MINUTE TO UNDERSTAND THE FULL VISION OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE AT ONE MAIN.
SO, UH, THIS SUBMISSION IS REALLY STEP ONE, UH, AND THE LARGER PICTURE.
UH, SO OUR CLIENT HAS PLANS TO FULLY REVITALIZE THE INTERIOR PORTION OF THE PLAZA AND THE CONCOURSE LEVELS, UH, INTRODUCING MORE RESTAURANTS, ART INSTALLATIONS, AND REALLY REACTIVATING THAT SPACE.
SO WE DID INCLUDE, UM, NOT FOR REVIEW, BUT JUST FOR CONSIDERATION, WE DO HAVE SUBMITTAL, ITEM C, UH, WHICH DOES SHOW THEIR MARKETING VISION FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IN THE FUTURE.
SCOPE FOR THE UNDERGROUND AT ONE MAIN.
UM, SO REALLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS ARCH, UH, I KNOW THIS MORNING THERE WAS A QUESTION OF WHERE DOES IT GO TO? AND, AND IT GOES, IT GOES TO THE UNDERGROUND.
WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO CREATE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WAY FINDING, UH, UH, FOR DRAWING PEOPLE IN TO REALLY EXPERIENCE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE ON THE UNDERGROUND.
SO, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE MORE THAN WILLING AND HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU ON ADJUSTING THE FORM OR, UH, ANY DESIGN DETAILING REQUIRED IN ORDER TO FIT THE VISION OF THE BUILDING AND MAKE IT WORK.
UM, THIS WAS, THIS IS WHAT WE HAD, UH, COME UP WITH AS A NOD TO, UM, AN UNDERGROUND, UH, SUBWAY TYPE STRUCTURE.
BUT IF WE NEEDED TO, UM, MAKE THAT MORE RECTILINEAR TO FIT WITH THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING, WE WOULD HAPPILY DO THAT.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO, WE THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO MAKE THAT KNOWN THAT WE'RE READY TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS AND GET THIS THING THROUGH.
IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN MAKE THE, I'M THE ONE WHO SAID I LOVE PINK, BUT
SO THE, SO THE LIGHT FIXTURES WE'RE PROPOSING ARE RGBW, THEY WOULD BE PROGRAMMABLE FOR, UH, HOLIDAYS, FOR EVENTS, UM, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE PINK ALL THE TIME.
UH, SO THAT REALLY IS THE, THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO TRY TO LET PEOPLE KNOW, HEY, THERE'S SOMETHING DOWN HERE, UM, AND REALLY DRAW PEOPLE IN.
SO WE DO THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE A STRUCTURE LIKE THIS.
DOES IT HAVE TO LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THIS? NO.
AND WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU ALL ON FINDING A GOOD BALANCE THAT WILL PLEASE EVERYBODY.
SO, UM, THAT IS REALLY MOSTLY, I THINK ALL I HAVE REALLY REVIEW.
UM, SO DOES SCOTT, LUKE OR JALISA WANNA GO NEXT? I THINK THEY'RE HERE JUST IN CASE THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS.
SCOTT'S KIND OF MORE OF OUR TECHNICAL GUY, SO IF THERE'S TECHNICAL QUESTIONS.
SO WHAT WAS THAT FIRST THING YOU WANTED US TO ADDRESS? AND I CAN, UH, THE DECKING MATERIAL? YES.
COMMISSIONER RABS, YOU WANNA TO TALK ABOUT THAT? ACTUALLY, I APOLOGIZE.
THEN I DO NEED YOU TO DO THE NAME, ADDRESS AND PROMISE, TELL THE TRUTH THEN.
THE ADDRESS IS 5,400 LVJ, UM, SUITE NUMBER 1 25.
AND I WILL BE HONEST, TELL THE TRUTH.
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IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORICAL VALUE OF RESTORING THE PLAZA LEVEL BECAUSE IT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO BE AN ENTERTAINMENT HUB, A PLACE FOR GATHERING.AND SO THIS WOULD HELP TO RESTORE THE HISTOR, THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF WHAT THEY WERE ORIGINALLY WANTING TO ACHIEVE FOR THIS BUILDING.
I DO HAVE A HISTORY WITH THIS BUILDING.
MY HUSBAND WAS FIRST CONTROLLER OF THE BANK.
UH, IS THE FURNITURE MOVABLE ON THAT DECK? OKAY.
SO, UH, THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY SHOWN IS FIXED WOULD BE THE UMBRELLAS.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY, UM, THEY'RE A METAL UMBRELLA, SO THEN THAT WAY THEY CAN BE FIXED AND NOT LIFT UP, SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE LOOSE AND BLOWING WITH THE WIND.
UM, SO THOSE WOULD BE, WHAT ARE THE TOPS OF THE UMBRELLA? THEY'RE ALUMINUM, I BELIEVE.
UM, DO THEY TILT? NO, THEY'RE, THEY DO NOT.
UM, BUT THOSE WOULD BE THE ONLY ITEMS THAT WE WOULD PROPOSE AS BEING FIXED, JUST, UH, DUE TO MAINTENANCE AND, UM, UH, LIABILITY.
WE DON'T WANT THOSE OBVIOUSLY BLOWING AROUND WITH HIGH WINDS OR WALKING AWAY, CORRECT.
AND AS FORMER CHAIR OF A PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE, I THINK YOU NEED TO WORK ON YOUR DESIGN FOR THE INGS, OR DOES THAT GO DOWN? I'M NOT SURE IF IT GOES ON DOWN TO THE, THE CITY PASSAGE WASTE.
SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE THAT IN OUR DRAWINGS.
UH, IF, UH, SOMEBODY WOULD MIND PULLING THOSE UP, UH, WE CAN GO TO, UM, IT IS IN SUBMITTAL A THAT WILL BE, UH, EXHIBIT F.
SO WE DO HAVE, UH, ELEVATIONS IN SECTION DETAIL OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THAT ARCH.
I THINK IT'S PAGE 3 25 IN OUR DOCTOR.
OF COURSE THAT JUST MAKES THE COMPLICATIONS, BUT EVERY, ALL REST OF US CAN FIND IT BEFORE YOU NOW
SO DO YOU SEE, IT LOOKS LIKE NUMBER 20.
AND IF YOU'LL ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT.
SO ELEVATION NUMBER THREE, THAT IS AT THE STREET LEVEL, UM, WHERE YOU'RE SEEING THE ARCH, WE DO HAVE TWO OF THOSE AT THE STREET LEVEL.
AND THEN IN THE SECTION YOU CAN SEE TOWARDS THE BOTTOM LEFT, UH, WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IS THE ARCHED, THE SERIES OF ARCHES, THEY FOLLOW THE SLOPE OF THE STAIR AND THEY DO GO DOWN AND THEY TERMINATE, UM, BEFORE THE END OF THE STAIR.
NOW HOW WE'VE DESIGNED THIS, UM, WE KNOW THERE ARE CONCERNS OF TYING IT INTO THE STAIR.
WE ARE NOT PROPOSING TO TIE IT INTO THE STAIR.
THEY WOULD BE FULLY UP AND OVER, UH, AND THEN THE BASE OF THEM WOULD BE MOUNTED OUTSIDE OF THE STAIR.
AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS, UM, A TRUSS STRUCTURE THAT WILL HELP WITH LATERAL LOAD.
AND WE WOULD CONCEAL THAT WITHIN ALIN BASE.
NOW AT THE TOP LEVEL, WE WOULD MOUNT THAT DIRECTLY TO, UH, THE GRADE.
AND AS FAR AS REMOVABILITY AND REVERSIBILITY, UM, WE WOULD, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING IS WE'RE MAKING SURE WE HAVE A STONE, UH, CONSULTANT COME OUT AND DETERMINE WHAT WOULD A MATCHING STONE BE TO THE EXISTING, UH, FLOORING MATERIAL.
AND SO WE'LL HAVE THAT IDENTIFIED.
UH, AND IF WE DO SUBMIT TODAY WITH CONDITIONS, WE WOULD MAKE SURE TO INCLUDE THAT SPECIFICATION ON THAT REVISION.
UH, SO THAT IS THE PLAN THERE FOR THE UPSTAIRS, FOR THE DOWNSTAIRS, UH, THE EXISTING CONDITION IS JUST A CONCRETE FLOORING THAT'S PAINTED, THAT'S THE EXISTING CONDITION TODAY.
SO WE WOULD EASILY BE ABLE TO PATCH AND REPAIR THAT AS NEEDED IN THE EVENT THAT THIS GETS REMOVED IN THE FUTURE, UH, AND REPAINT TO MATCH EXISTING.
UM, ON THOSE ARCHES, WHICH I THINK COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE A VARIETY OF OPINIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT AN ART INSTALLATION, THERE ARE NOT.
BUT IN THE BRIEFING, I DID NOT ONLY ADDRESS THE, THE BEAUTIFUL PINK COLOR, WHICH IS I DON'T THINK OF.
BUT THE LARGER POINT WAS THEY DON'T SEEM TO BE HAVING A DIALOGUE WITH THE BUILDING.
THEY DON'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY IDENTITY CONNECTING THEM TO THE BUILDING AND THE, THE BUILDING'S, THE POINT, AND IT'S CLEARLY, I MEAN, IT'S IT'S MOST DEFINING FEATURE WHEN YOU WALK UP TO IT.
THAT'S A GRID OF REC AND LINEAR OPENINGS.
COULD THEY HAVE A FLAT TOP SO THAT
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THEY SORT OF PAY HOMAGE TO THE BUILDING THAT THEY'RE NEXT TO? ABSOLUTELY.INSTEAD OF JUST THIS, THIS ARCH OUT OF NOWHERE.
THAT IS WHAT I WAS ALLUDING TO EARLIER.
WE'RE HAPPY TO MAKE THAT CONCESSION.
I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE JUST, WE'D LIKE TO SAY THINGS CLEARLY HERE SO NO ONE HAS TO INTERPRET ANYTHING UNDERSTOOD.
AND THE RESTING COLOR IN THE DAY WHEN IT'S NOT ON APPEARS TO BE WHITE, WHICH AT LEAST THE WAY YOU DREW IT, WHEN WE'RE SITTING NEXT TO IT LOOKS AGAIN, LIKE IT DOESN'T KNOW THE BUILDINGS THERE
COULD IT BE MORE COMPATIBLE SOMEHOW WE CAN CERTAINLY ADJUST THE COLOR, UH, FOR LESS CONTRAST WITH THE BUILDING.
I'M THINKING THIS MIGHT BE A NICE IDEA IF ONLY THEY LOOKED DIFFERENT, BUT OTHER PEOPLE MAY NOT AGREE WITH ME AND THEY CAN CERTAINLY EXPRESS THAT NOW.
OKAY, MR. ANDERSON? I DO LIKE THE, UM, THE DETAIL.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE FLATTENED.
I DON'T MIND THE ARCTIC ACTUALLY, BUT I THINK THAT THIS PLAZA NEEDS SOME EXCITEMENT, SOME FUN.
UH, DOWNTOWN DALLAS IS A MORE EXCITING PLACE THAN IT WAS WHEN THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT, AND I THINK THIS WOULD BE AN, AN ASSET TO STREET LIFE.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS A MUSEUM.
I THINK THAT THE STAIRWAY COULD USE SOME ENHANCEMENT.
SO I'M, I'M FOR SOME KIND OF INTEREST TO GET PEOPLE TO THAT LOWER LEVEL.
I WOULD GO WITH THE ARCH OR IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT COMES AROUND THAT'S MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE BUILDING, THAT WOULD BE FINE.
BUT I THINK THIS, THIS SPACE NEEDS SOME ENERGY AND I THINK THIS IS THE PERFECT WAY TO DO THAT.
WE ALWAYS WE'RE MEANER TO THOSE CLOSEST TO US.
WE JUST, UM, SO LOOKING AT THE DRAWING, I GUESS IT'S, UH, NUMBER TWO SIDE ELEVATION.
I, SO IS, ARE YOU BUILDING A BASE FOR ALL OF THESE COLUMNS? IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A RAISED BASER PLATFORM THAT ALREADY THERE.
YES, WE DO HAVE A RAISED BASE.
UH, IN ORDER TO HIDE SOME OF THE STRUCTURAL COMPONENTS THAT WILL KEEP IT FROM SWAYING WITH LATERAL LOAD AND JUST TO REALLY ANCHOR IT DOWN TO THE, UH, TO THE GROUND.
UH, AND WE DO HAVE, I KNOW YOU DON'T APPROVE OFF OF RENDERINGS, BUT WE DO HAVE A RENDERING OF THAT, UH, AREA THAT WOULD BE SEVERAL SHEETS FORWARD.
IT'S GONNA BE UNDER EXHIBIT L, EXHIBIT L FOUR.
AND THAT WILL BE RENDERING H UM, AND IS THAT WHERE ALL YOUR CONDUITS GONNA RUN FOR ELECTRICAL, THE PRIORITIES? CORRECT.
WE WOULD HIDE HOW, SORRY, HOW
HIDE OR HOUSE, ALL OF THE ELECTRICAL AND ALL THE STRUCTURAL WITHIN THE, THE PLAN.
YOU SAID THAT WAS L UH, EXHIBIT L FOUR.
AND SO YOU'LL BE PAINTING OR WRAPPING THAT BASE WITH SOME KIND OF ART? YES.
IT COULD EITHER BE PAINTED OR IT COULD BE A, A VINYL, A VINYL WRAP ON THAT MATERIAL.
SO IT'S A-G-F-C-R, UH, SUBSTRATE.
AND THEN IT WOULD BE RECEIVING AN, AN ARTISTIC TREATMENT.
SO I KNOW, UH, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THIS WOULD BE PINK.
UM, I'M ASSUMING IT PROBABLY DOES OTHER COLORS TOO, THAT YOU WOULD CHANGE UP WHENEVER THAT IS CORRECT.
AND, UH, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL MOTION THAT REMAINS PINK ALL THE TIME.
YEAH, IT COULD BE PINK FOR BREAST CANCER AWARENESS DAY, OR, UM, IT COULD BE BLUE IF THERE IS, YOU KNOW, A COWBOYS GAME.
SO WHATEVER, WHATEVER, WHATEVER NEEDED.
AND WILL THESE BE ANIMATED AS WELL AS IN SEQUENTIAL? THAT THING
AND WE HAVE ESTABLISHED A TRADITION IN DALLAS THAT THE LIGHTING OF OUR BUILDINGS AND THEY'RE ABILITY TO DANCE IS SORT OF OUR THING NOW.
BUT I, I JUST KNOW THERE'S, AT LEAST ONE COMMISSIONER WAS VERY UPSET ABOUT ALL THIS POSITIVE TALK.
THERE HAS TO BE SOMEBODY, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THIS REMINDS ME OF THE OLD WEST END WHEN THEY HAD THAT SERIES OF ARCHES DOWN THE ALLEYWAY THAT WERE YEAH.
FIRST LONG TIME MERCY HAVE BEEN
COMMISSIONER RENA, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? YES, I DID.
UM, I HAD, UM, SEVERAL COMMENTS.
SOME YOU'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED.
THE, UH, THE UMBRELLA MATERIAL, UM, THE ARCHES THAT THEY ARE INTENDED AS AN, AS AN, UH, ART INSTALLATION AND CAN BE COMPLETELY REMOVABLE.
UM, YOU DID HAVE SOME HISTORIC, UM, IMAGES FROM BROCHURES AND SO FORTH MM-HMM
AND IN ONE OF THEM IN PARTICULAR, MAYBE YOU FOUND OTHERS, UM, THAT HAD KLINE, THERE WAS A KLINE RAMP, FOR INSTANCE.
UH, I KNOW IT WAS A DIFFERENT PLAZA, THE ONE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
BUT, UM, SO THERE WAS PRESIDENT, EVEN IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN FOR OTHER KLINE, UM, FORMS, IT, IT WASN'T ALL ORTHOGONAL.
IN FACT, THERE WAS A RADIAL DESIGN FOR THAT ENTIRE PLAZA, YOU KNOW, EMANATING
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FROM, FROM THAT WATER FEATURE AND, AND KLINE RAMP.NOW GRANTED THAT DOESN'T GO INTO THE THIRD DIMENSION.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY MORE IN A, A PLAN MOVE.
BUT IN MY MIND, I, I FEEL LIKE, UM, PARTICULARLY AS AN ART INSTALLATION, IT WOULD, UH, IT IS IMPORTANT TO CONTRAST, UH, THE BACKGROUND.
AND, UM, AND I I'M IN FAVOR OF THE, THE PROPOSAL ONE.
YOU DID HAVE A, A SQUARE, UH, PORTAL EFFECTIVELY COMING IN OFF OF, UH, I GUESS IT'S OFF OF MAIN STREET.
AND, UM, WERE YOU THINKING THAT THOSE WERE, UH, UH, THE, THAT THOSE WOULD BE TREATED THE SAME WAY OR THEY WOULD HAVE THE SAME MATERIAL? SO IT WOULD BE METAL WITH, UH, A POWDER COAT, WHITE PAINT IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
UH, SO THEY WOULD RELATE MATERIALITY, BUT YES, THE FORMS WOULD BE A DIFFERENT FORM.
AND THEN I, I NOTICED THE METAL, UM, ATTACHMENT TO THAT, UM, SCREEN WALL EFFECTIVELY FOR THE, UH, FOR THE MAINTENANCE, UH, SPACE.
UM, WHAT WAS I, I, I SAW THE, THE LEGEND FOR IT WHERE RATHER THE REFERENCE TO FOR IT, BUT I DIDN'T, UH, DIDN'T CATCH THE MATERIAL AND THE COLOR.
UH, SO YOU'RE REFERRING TO, I THINK IT WAS DK ONE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? IT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE, UH, TO THE PORTAL? CORRECT.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE SAME, UH, THE SAME DECKING MATERIAL THAT WE WERE PROPOSING ELSEWHERE.
BUT, BUT THERE, IT'S RUNNING VERTICAL RIGHT.
UM, SEE, ANYTHING, UM, I REALIZE THERE WERE A NUMBER OF OTHER PIECES OF FURNITURE AND POTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, UH, MY SUGGESTION FOR, FOR ANY OF THOSE, PARTICULARLY THE POTS THAT WERE SHOWN AS A COLOR, THAT THEY'D BE NEUTRAL DURING THE DAY.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOUR LIGHTING IS REALLY WHAT'S, UM, UH, HIGHLIGHTING THOSE ELEMENTS AT NIGHT.
UH, IF, IF THE POTS WERE TO STAY THE SAME COLOR AND NOT BE ELIMINATED, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A, UH, AN INCONSISTENT OKAY.
UM, THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT? AND IF NOT, I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION.
I HAVE A QUICK, OH, COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER.
UM, SO LET'S SAY WE WORK AT REQUEST THAT THEY ARE SQUARE, IT'S, UH, COVERING FOR THE AUDIT SELECTION.
UM, COULD THEY BE ROUGHLY THE SAME HEIGHT AS WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED? THEY JUST SQUARED OFF RATHER THAN CURVED AT THE TOP.
BUT WOULD WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO A COMPLETE REDESIGN OF EVERYTHING BELOW? HOW, HOW, HOW DOES IT COMPLICATE THIS PROJECT FOR YOU? IT TO BE FRANK, UH, IT DOESN'T.
UM, SO WE COULD, WE COULD ABSOLUTELY WORK THAT IN, UH, IN FACT, DUE TO CLEAR HEAD SPACE REQUIREMENTS, THE ARCHES DO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED TOWARDS THE EXTREMITIES.
SO IF WE DID NEED TO LOWER THE HEIGHT OR ADJUST THE HEIGHT, IF WE SQUARE IT OFF, UM, THAT ACTUALLY HELPS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE ALLUDING TO, BUT, UM, WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, ADJUSTING THE SIZE MORE EASILY IF WE WERE TO SQUARE IT OFF.
YEAH, I, I, AND I UNDERSTAND MY COLLEAGUES KIND OF, THEY LIKE THE DIALOGUE BETWEEN, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT QUITE AS MUCH.
I THINK WHEN YOU, YOU SEE SOMETHING SQUARE, YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'RE, WHERE YOU ARE AND WHAT IT'S PAYING HOMAGE TO MM-HMM
BUT, UM, SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW HOW WOULD IT COMPLICATE THE PROJECT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT ALL, AND THE FACT THAT YOU DID BRING IT UP, IT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE IT'S ALMOST FAVORABLE.
BUT, UM, I KNOW THAT WITH PREVIOUS SUBMISSIONS TO THE SOUTH PLAZA, OR SORRY, THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AND WITH OUR MARQUEE, UM, THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT SCALE APPROPRIATENESS.
SO, UM, AGAIN, IN THIS SITUATION, WE DO THINK THE SIZE IS APPROPRIATE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAVING AN OPEN DIALOGUE, SO YEAH, I, AND I, I, I LIKE HOW IT DRAW TENSION.
ANYBODY ELSE? ANYBODY AT HOME? ALL RIGHT, THEN WE'LL SIT HERE IN SILENCE WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO MAKE A MOTION.
GOTTA GO BACK TO THE NUMBER, UH, REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM, UM, NUMBER 15, KNOWN AS COA 26, UH, DASH ONE 20, ALSO KNOWN AS, UH, 1201 MAIN STREET, THAT WE, UH, FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS,
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UH, INCLUDING THEIR, UM, CONDITIONS, UM, WITH ONE CHANGE CON OR, UH, ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THAT, UH, INSTEAD OF BEING DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE, THAT IT IS, UH, APPROVED WITH A FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT THE, UM, SHAPE OF THE ARCHES HAS CHANGED FROM, UH, KLINE TO ORTHOGONAL, UH, TO MATCH THE, THE PORTAL THAT'S AT THE SOUTHERN, UH, END OF THE ENTRANCE.THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER REEDS.
I'M STILL FINE TO WRITE AND SPELL PORTAL.
ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE OUR MOTION AND OUR SECOND, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I LIKE IT.
WELL THEN WE KNOW WE'RE GOOD TO GO.
IT'LL PROVIDE SOME ACTIVITY FOR THE BUILDING.
I ALSO THINK THAT IT IS REVERSIBLE, UM, QUITE EASILY.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA ADD THAT AS A FINDING OF FACT, UH, FOR NUMBER FOUR.
I, I HAD ACTUALLY WRITTEN IT DOWN AND THEN I DIDN'T SAY IT.
UM, BUT YES, WITH A FINDING OF FACT THAT THE INSTALLATION CAN BE RE THAT THE, UM, THAT IT IS AN ART PIECE AND CAN BE REMOVED.
AND YOU AGREE WITH THAT, COMMISSIONER REEVES? AND OF COURSE THAT OBLIGES YOU TO MAKE SURE IT IS EASILY REMOVABLE.
I, I DO AGREE WITH, WITH THE MOTION.
AND I BELIEVE THAT ALTHOUGH THE STAIRWAY IS IMPORTANT, THIS ENHANCES IT AND DOES NOT REMOVE IT, IT OR OBSCURED, BUT IT, IT ENHANCES THE STAIRCASE AND IT ADDS SOME LIFE TO THAT AREA.
ALRIGHT, THEN ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OH, YOU'RE NOT DONE YET.
I, I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THIS WRONG.
AND, AND TWO, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY SEPARATE FROM THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
ITS LOCATION AND IT'S ON A, IT FACES A DIFFERENT STREET, SO IT'S NOT THE PRIMARY FACADES EITHER.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT HELPS I THINK AS WELL.
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS, YOU WANTED TO? NO.
OH, YOU WERE JUST TRYING TO VOTE.
SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
IT APPEARS THE MOTION HAS CARRIED, YOU'VE GOT ALL APPROVALS, ONE WITH CONDITION, WHICH YOU WILL ADHERE TO QUICKLY AND HAPPILY I, IT SOUNDS LIKE.
GO FORTH AT THE BEGINNING OF YOUR PROJECT, WHICH I THINK THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I'VE SAID THAT, SO I HOPE YOU GOT IT THIS TIME AND YOU'RE READY TO ACTUALLY DO IT.
CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
ITEM NUMBER 16 59 30 VICTOR STREET COUNCIL, DISTRICT 14 JUNIOR'S HEIGHT, HISTORIC DISTRICT CO OA 2 6 0 0 0 6 2 REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE 42 NON-ORIGINAL ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH VINYL WINDOWS.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE NON-ORIGINAL ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH VINYL WINDOWS ON THE FRONT, 50% OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE VINYL WINDOWS ARE NOT APPROPRIATE TO THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE OF THE DISTRICT AND WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT OF THE HISTORIC ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS THEREFORE INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SIX, SECTION 51, 5 2 AND 5.3 CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 0 1 G SIX C, ROMAN I OR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND OR THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR GUIDELINES FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE NON-ORIGINAL ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH VINYL WINDOWS ON THE ABOUT 50% DOMAIN STRUCTURE BE DENIED.
WITHOUT THAT CASE, I SAID THANK YOU EVERYBODY.
WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER SIGNED UP AND THEN I TURN MY MICROPHONE ON AND NOW YOU CAN HEAR ME SAYING THAT AND I BELIEVE OUR SPEAKER IS ONLINE.
WE NEED YOU TO BEGIN BY STATING YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND PROMISING OR SWEARING OR AFFIRMING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO TELL THE TRUTH.
ADDRESS IN QUESTION IS 5 9 30 VICTOR STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS.
UH, AND YES, SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.
UM, YOU HAVE, UH, THREE MINUTES TO TELL US ANY FURTHER INFORMATION YOU MIGHT THINK WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR REQUESTED PROJECT.
YEAH, UM, SO AT THE TIME THAT I HAD REPLACED THE WINDOWS I WAS ADDRESSING, UM, THAT THE WINDOWS WERE IN THE CURRENT WINDOWS WERE IN SEVERELY DETERIORATED CONDITION,
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CREATING RISK OF FURTHER DAMAGE TO THE BUILDING.UM, AT THE TIME OF THE REPLACEMENT, I WAS ACTUALLY NOT AWARE OF THE HISTORIC STATUS OR REQUIREMENTS TO REPLACE THEM.
I, I DON'T LIVE PHYSICALLY AT THE ADDRESS AND I WAS NEVER DELIVERED ANY SORT OF, UH, NOTICE THAT IT WAS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, THE WINDOWS THAT WERE REPLACED WERE NOT THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS.
THEY WERE AGAIN, METAL FRAME WINDOWS THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN ALTERED.
UH, THE, THAT HAD ALREADY ALTERED THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE STRUCTURE.
THE REPLACEMENT WAS DONE TO STABILIZE AND MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY NOT TO CHANGE ITS CHARACTER.
AND, UH, THE NEW WINDOWS ARE CONSISTENT IN APPEARANCE AND STRUCTURE, UH, TO THE, UH, WINDOWS THAT WERE THERE PRIOR, THE METAL FRAME ONES.
UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE PROPERTY HAS SINCE BEEN REEVALUATED AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND GOING FORWARD, I'LL ABSOLUTELY COMPLY WITH ALL REQUIREMENTS FOR EXTERIOR WORK.
BUT GIVEN THAT THE PRIOR WINDOWS WERE ALREADY NON-ORIGINAL AND WORK WAS DONE TO ADDRESS SEVERE DETERIORATION, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE COMMISSION ALLOW THE CURRENT WINDOWS TO REMAIN, UH, AS REPLACING THEM WITH IMPOSED SIGNIFICANT BURDEN WITHOUT MEANINGFULLY IMPROVING THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND IF, IF THE COMMISSION DETERMINES THAT THE CHANGES ARE REQUIRED, UH, I I'D RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT A COMPLIANCE PERIOD, UH, A REASONABLE REQUIRE, UH, COMPLIANCE PERIOD IS, IS GIVEN, UH, GIVEN THE RECENT INVESTMENT IN FINANCIAL IMPACT THAT HA HAVING TO REPLACE THEM AGAIN WOULD CAUSE, UM, HAPPY TO GIVE ADDITIONAL DETAIL AS TO WHY THE WINDOW GOT DETERIORATED AND, UH, YOU KNOW, FINANCIAL STATUS AND, UH, THE IMPACT THAT THIS WOULD HAVE.
BUT I, I'LL LEAVE IT THERE UNLESS THERE'S QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKER.
AND I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF ACTUALLY.
SO I KNOW, I KNOW IT WAS STATED EARLIER THAT THERE'S 42 WINDOWS TOTAL, BUT IT ALSO SAYS THE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT, 50% OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE IS THAT, WHAT NUMBER IS THAT? THE, THE, UM, I'LL HAVE TO GO TOLAR.
I GO, I CAN CLARIFY IF, IF HELPFUL.
UH, THERE, THERE'S A TOTAL OF FIVE WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN REPLACED.
UM, THE ONLY WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN REPLACED WERE CAUSING WATER INTRUSION TO THE WALLS.
UM, AND SO ONLY FIVE WINDOWS WERE REPLACED.
FIVE WINDOWS ON THE BOTTOM FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
AND ALL THE, OKAY, SO IT'S NOT ACCURATE THAT 42 WERE REPLACED? NO, NO, ONLY FIVE.
AND THE FIBER ON THIS FRONT FACADE WHERE THE ARCHED OPENINGS ARE? I'M SORRY, COME AGAIN.
THE FIBER ON THE FRONT FACADE WHERE WE, WE SEE ARCHED OPENINGS LIKE AN ARCH DOOR? YES, I BELIEVE SO.
THERE ARE SIX WINDOWS ON THAT FRONT FACADE AT THE VERY FRONT, AND THEN THERE'S SOME BACK UNDER A PORCH.
THERE'S A COUPLE COMING AGAIN.
WELL THERE'S TWO SETS OF TRIPLE GANGED WINDOWS.
SO IT'S, IT'S ONLY THE LOWER HALF THE UP THE UPPER, THE SECOND STORY WINDOWS WERE NOT TOUCHED.
IT'S ONLY THE FIRST TWO WINDOWS ON THE, THE BOTTOM, BOTTOM HALF AND THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
AND THEN UNDER THE PORCH AREA.
UM, WHERE, WHERE THERE'S SOMEWHAT OBSCURED, THERE'S I BELIEVE THREE WINDOWS THERE, UM, ALL NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
WELL THAT, THAT'S DIFFERENT
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, IS IT POSSIBLE THOSE FIVE OR SIX WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED, COULD THEY BE MOVED TO OTHER WINDOW OPENINGS ARE THE SAME SIZE ON THE BACK HALF OF THE HOUSE OR NOT? UH, I HAVE ASKED THE CONTRACTOR THAT HANDLED THE REPAIR, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
UM, HE SAID HE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND REMEASURE THE WINDOWS, BUT WAS SKEPTICAL.
AND THE OTHER QUESTION IS, HAVE ALL 42 WINDOWS BEEN PURCHASED BUT ONLY A FEW PUT IN? NO, UH, I ONLY REPLACED THE ONES THAT WERE NEEDED TO REHABILITATE THE UNIT.
ONE LITTLE BACKGROUND CONTEXT.
SO YOU'RE IN IT FOR THE FIVE OR SIX WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED.
THE OTHER ONES ARE NOT PURCHASED YET? CORRECT.
UM, I'D LIKE TO THANK STAFF FOR LOOKING INTO CHANGING THE STATUS TO CONTRIBUTING 'CAUSE I WHOLEHEARTEDLY BELIEVE THIS IS A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING AND WITH THAT CONTRIBUTING STATUS, IT IS ELIGIBLE FOR PRESERVATION TAX INCENTIVES.
SO THE MONEY THAT YOU EXPEND ON PUTTING IN THE WINDOWS IN THE FUTURE AND ANY OTHER RESTORATION YOU DO CAN BE PUT TOWARD A TAX INCENTIVE WHERE YOUR TAXES CAN BE ABATED BECAUSE IT'S AN HISTORIC CONTRIBUTING BUILDING.
SO THAT'S AN ADVANTAGE TO CHANGING THE STATUS.
DO YOU KNOW WHO I'D BE ABLE TO CONTACT TO LEARN HOW TO DO THAT? I WOULD CONTACT YOUR STAFF MEMBER WHO'S VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE ON PRESERVATION
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TAX INCENTIVES.AND I'LL SEND YOU EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED, UM, TO FILL THAT OUT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? BUT TO BE CLEAR, THE APPLICATION OF THE ORDINANCE IS WHETHER OR NOT IT'S CONTRIBUTED, RIGHT? THE APPLICATION OF THE ORDINANCE, WHICH, SO I HAVE TED TO CONTRIBUT.
WELL, SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS IF IT'S CONTRIBUTING, IT HAS TO BE THE, THE PERFECT WINDOW FOR THAT HOUSE.
EVEN IF IT'S NON-CONTRIBUTING, IT CAN'T BE HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE DISTRICT.
SO EITHER WAY WE RECOMMEND DENIAL.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER REEVES, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE REAL ESTATE AGENT THAT SOLD THIS GENTLEMAN HIS HOUSE NOT INFORMING HIM THAT IT WAS IN A HISTORIC.
UM, SO SIR, THE QUESTION IS, WE, WE ARE SORRY TO HEAR THAT THE REAL ESTATE AGENT DID NOT FOLLOW THE DUE DILIGENCE OF INFORMING YOU OF THIS IMPORTANT ZONING DOCUMENT THAT IS THE HISTORIC OVERLAY.
DO YOU RECALL ANY MENTION OF THAT AT THE, JUST CURIOUS, DID YOU HEAR ABOUT IT WHEN YOU CLOSED? I DO NOT RECALL.
AND I, I HAD SOME SIGNIFICANT ISSUES WITH THE REAL ESTATE ENGINE THAT I ENDED UP USING.
THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT I'VE HAD TO PUT INTO RESTORING THIS HOUSE FROM, UH, UNFORESEEN ISSUES THAT WERE NOT DISCLOSED WERE, UH, IT WAS A LOT.
SO I'M PRETTY DIFFICULT SITUATION.
BUT LIKE I, WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOUSE IN HISTORIC DISTRICT, THERE WAS A DOCUMENT AT, AT CLOSING THAT I HAD TO SIGN ACKNOWLEDGING THE EXISTENCE OF A HISTORIC OVERLAY.
SO I WISH THEY WOULD MAKE THAT CLEAR TO ALL PURCHASERS SO IT WOULD NOT HAVE THESE PROBLEMS. ALRIGHT, I, I SEE COMMISSIONER.
IS THERE ANYONE WITH A QUESTION WHO HAS NOT ALREADY SPOKEN? I NEED A CLARIFICATION, PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, WHAT CLARIFICATION DO YOU NEED? I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE ON THE DOCKET IT SAYS THAT WE'RE REPLACING 42 DOWN ORIGINAL WINDOWS.
THEN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, IT SAYS THE REQUEST TO REPLACE NON-ORIGINAL WINDOWS OF VINYL WINDOWS ON THE FRONT 50%.
SO IS THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION? THAT 50% IS WHAT YOU AGREE TO YOU WERE GONNA PUT WOOD, WOOD ON THE FRONT 50% AND RIGHT.
LEAVE THE VINYL ON THE BACK 50%.
I'M SEEING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
42 AND FRONT 50%, WHAT IS IT? YES, THE 42 WAS I GUESS SOMEHOW A MISUNDERSTANDING BECAUSE INITIALLY I BELIEVE EVEN WHEN IT WENT TO TASK FORCE, WE HAD THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WERE 42 WINDOWS BEING REPLACED.
BUT HE HAS CLARIFIED THAT IT'S ONLY THE FRONT FIVE OR SIX, THE 50% IS THERE BECAUSE INGENIOUS HEIGHTS, THE PROTECTED FACADES ARE ONLY FROM THE 50% FORWARD.
SO THAT ORDINANCE WISE IS WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT.
SO WE WEREN'T WORRIED ABOUT ANYTHING 50% BACK.
SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE WOOD WINDOWS ON THE FRONT HALF AND WE WOULD ALLOW VINYL WINDOWS ON THE BACK FRONT OR THAT THAT WOULD BE YES.
BUT IF WE GO WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, THEN WE ARE SAYING YOU CAN DO THE VINYL ON THE BACK AND THE WOOD ON THE FRONT.
BUT THERE'S ALL THE ON THE FRONT.
YES, BUT HE'S SAYING THAT NONE OF THEM WERE IN THE BACK 50%.
WE'RE WE'RE JUST SAYING THAT THE, THE FIVE THAT HAVE BEEN REPLACED WITH VINYL WOULD BE THE ONES THAT WE ARE ASKING YOU TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
UH, THE OTHERS ARE NOT AFFECTED.
'CAUSE THIS IS GETTING KIND OF FOGGY TO ME.
DOES THE APPLICANT WANT TO CHANGE ON MORE THAN JUST THE FIVE WINDOWS OR IS HE DONE? GOOD QUESTION.
SO WE'RE TALKING FIVE WINDOWS TOTAL, NOT THE WHOLE SHEBANG.
HE, HE SEEMED TO INDICATE YES, THAT HE ONLY WANTED TO CHANGE OUT THE ONES THAT HAD BEEN LEAKING AT THE TIME.
AND THE WINDOWS SURVEY DOESN'T REFLECT THAT, DOING IT FOR ANOTHER REASON.
SO THAT WOULD BE WINDOWS ONE THROUGH FIVE, IS THAT CORRECT? I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE NUMBERED ON THE WINDOWS, ARE THEY? YES, OF COURSE.
AS IT HAPPENS, THOSE HAPPEN TO BE SOME OF THE KEY WINDOWS FOR, UM, THE FRONT 50% MM-HMM
FOR DETERMINING WHAT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE LOOKS LIKE.
SEE, SO WHAT IS ACTUALLY ON THE CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION AND DO WE HAVE TO FOLLOW WHAT IS ON THAT WHEN WE MAKE OUR DECISION? YOU CAN MOTION HOW, AGAIN, THAT TASK FORCE, WE WERE ALL UNDER THE UN WE WERE UNDERSTANDING IT WAS 42 WINDOWS THAT WERE BEING REPLACED.
BUT HE HAS CLARIFIED NOW THAT IT'S ONLY WINDOWS ONE THROUGH FIVE, WHICH I CAN PULL UP IF WE NEED TO JUST SEE THOSE PARTICULAR WINDOWS, WHICH HAPPENED TO ALSO STILL BE IN THE FRONT 50% AND THE FRONT 50% WAS MEANT BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE UNDER THE PROTECTED FACADES OF GENUS ARE FRONT 50%.
THAT'S WHY WE PUT THAT PARTICULAR
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RIGHT.I GUESS MY QUESTION IS JUST DO WE HAVE TO ADDRESS EXACTLY WHAT'S IN THE SUPER APPROPRIATENESS IN ORDER TO BE FOLLOW LEGAL? TO BE LEGAL? I THINK YOU MOTION, SO I'M JUST TALKING WITH OUR ATTORNEY AND WE SEEM TO BE GOOD.
YOU MIGHT TAILOR YOUR MOTION TO BE VERY CLEAR.
ALRIGHT THEN, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, DOES ANYBODY HAVE SUCH A TAILORED MOTION? THEY'RE READY TO NOW ONE LAST QUESTION.
WHAT DOES THE APPLICATION ACTUALLY SAY? WHAT, WHAT THE GUY SUBMITTED TO US IS THE APPLICATION DOES NOT HAVE A NUMBER.
UM, IT WAS MISUNDERSTANDING AT TASK FORCE.
THE APPLICATION DOES NOT HAVE A NUMBER.
SO NOW HE'S ON RECORD AS SAYING JUST THOSE FIVE.
SO IT'S ABOUT WINDOWS ONE THROUGH FIVE AND THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION SHOULD REFLECT.
REFLECT IF SOMEONE'S READY TO MAKE A MOTION.
IS SOMEONE PREPARING A MOTION? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, WERE YOU THE ONE PREPARING THE MOTION? UH, IT'D BE A LOT EASIER IF I KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON, BUT LET ME TAKE AWAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON.
THEY'RE REQUESTING THE FRONT FIVE WINDOWS, BUT THE DYNAMICS HAVE CHANGED DRAMATIC, OH, LET ME TRY THIS.
IN THE CASE OF 20, UH, CASE 26 DASH 1 1 7 3 A 59 30 VICTOR STREET IN JUNIOR HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT, I RECOMMEND DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE OF REPLACING FIVE WINDOWS.
RIGHT? YOU CAN SAY WINDOWS ONE THROUGH FIVE TO BE WINDOWS ONE THROUGH FIVE WITH THE FRONT FACADE OF THE BUILDING WITH VINYL WINDOWS AND RECOMMENDED THEY WOULD REPLACE WIND WINDOWS WITH A FINDING OF FACT THAT VINYL WINDOWS ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE P UH, THE, UH, JUNIORS HIGH HISTORIC DISTRICT ORDINANCE AND THAT IT WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE, AND IT WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE DISTRICT.
OKAY, OUR, OUR SECOND IS FROM COMMISSIONER REEVES.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE
I DON'T THINK THAT'S BUILT INTO THE WAY WE DO THIS.
IT'S NOT BUILT IN, LIKE I SAID, UM, THE PROPERTY WILL REMAIN IN VIOLATION UNTIL IT IS REMEDIED AND THAT WILL GO THROUGH CODE AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY PROSECUTION.
ALL, ALL WE DO IS PASS OUR JUDGMENT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE, UM, THE REQUEST IS ACCEPTABLE OR NOT AFTER THAT OTHER PEOPLE'S RESPONSIBILITIES.
SO IF THERE ARE NO COMMENTS, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? OH, COMMISSIONER SMITH.
I I THINK I DO HAVE A, A QUESTION BECAUSE I WANT, I WANT TO SEE IF WE CAN MAYBE GUIDE HIM TO FIGURE OUT A WAY FOR HIM TO GET IT RIGHT.
IS THERE, IS THERE A, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT EXISTS OR THERE A METHOD THAT EXISTS FOR, FOR HIM TO POSSIBLY GO BACK TO STAFF RESUBMIT HIS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS ASKING FOR, UM, WOOD WINDOWS.
THAT IS THE NEXT STEP THAT YES.
WOOD, WOOD WINDOWS IN THE FRONT 50% AND YES.
THEREBY ALLOWING HIM TO GO, GO THROUGH THAT.
THEORETICALLY, LIKE AS COMMISSIONER ANDERSON KIND OF HINTED AT, HE COULD MOVE THESE WINDOWS HE'S ALREADY PURCHASED GOTCHA.
SO I, THE NORMAL NEXT STEP IS THAT HE COMES BACK YES.
WITH A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WINDOWS THAT ARE HOPED TO BE COMPLI.
SO THEN THE NEXT, THE NEXT PART OF MY QUESTION IS TYPICALLY HOW MUCH TIME DO WE GIVE APPLICANTS WHEN THOSE THINGS ARE, ARE PASSED OR APPROVED? THAT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR, IT'S NOT US.
WHO GIVES IT REALLY? CODE ENFORCEMENT? IT'S, IT'S CODE ENFORCEMENT.
THAT WOULD DECIDE HOW, HOW STRONGLY THEY WANT TO GO OR, YEAH.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TRY TO JUST REMIND THEM ON A REGULAR BASIS THAT THEY'RE STILL IN VIOLATION AND WE NEED TO GET THIS RESOLVED.
JUST KIND OF, I I, I, I'VE BEEN HERE, SO I'M JUST THINKING THROUGH WHAT, WHAT IT DID.
YOU KNOW, HIS, HIS PATH FORWARD AND THAT'S WHY IT'S A MOTION TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE, MEANING THAT HE CAN COME BACK TO ASK ABOUT WINDOWS.
IF WE JUST DENIED IT, HE COULD NEVER COME BACK AND ASK ABOUT WINDOWS AND THEN THERE'S NOTHING HE COULD DO.
SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE
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SAY YES.THIS MOTION COMMISSION WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED.
ANY OTHER OPPOSED? DO I MISS ANYBODY AT HOME WHO IS OPPOSED? SO WE PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO ROLL CALL, VOTE.
WE HAVE ONE IN OPPOSITION, BUT THAT MEANS THE MOTION HAS CARRIED, IT DOES INCLUDE A DENIAL.
SO I, I WILL TELL YOU, MR. ARONSON, THAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO APPLY FURTHER UP THE CHAIN TO THE, UM, CITY PLANNING COMMISSION.
THEIR, THEIR BASIS FOR THEIR DECISION WILL BE WHETHER WE RULED IN ERROR OF NOT SEEING HOW THIS RELATED TO THE ORDINANCE.
AND SO THAT'S UP TO YOU TO DECIDE WHETHER YOU THINK THEY'RE LIKELY TO SEE THAT.
WE WOULD RATHER YOU COME BACK AND TRY TO WORK WITH US AND GET THE WINDOWS IN THE FRONT THAT SERVE THE FRONT DESK AND PERHAPS USE THOSE LOVELY NEW MILE ONES FOR THE BACK SOMEPLACE WHERE YOU'RE ABOUT TO HAVE A LEAK.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT DONE MAINTAINING THIS HOUSE.
WE MAINTAIN IT AGAIN, BUT WE'RE SORRY THAT YOU, UM, WE COULD NOT HELP YOU IF THAT'S THE ISSUE.
ITEM 19 IS LOCATED AT 26 26 THOMAS AVENUE COUNCIL DISTRICT 14 IN THE STATE THOMAS HISTORIC DISTRICT, COA DASH 26 DASH 77.
AND I'M MARCUS WATSON PRESENTING FOR STAFF.
THE REQUEST IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO AND A HALF STORY MIXED USE MAIN STRUCTURE WITH UNDERGROUND PARKING AND REAR PARKING ON A VACANT LOT.
THE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO AND A HALF STORY MIXED USE MAIN STRUCTURE WITH UNDERGROUND PARKING AND REAR PARKING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 19 26 AND 2 23 26.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH DESIGNATION CRITERIA 51 P DASH 2 25, 1 0 9, A THREE A FIVE, A SIX A SEVEN A ROMAN AT ONE A NINE, A 10 A 11, A 12 A 14 A 16, AND B EIGHT.
IT MEETS THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DO, UH, SORRY, 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO AND A HALF STORY MIXED USE MAIN STRUCTURE WITH THE UNDERGROUND PARKING AND REAR PARKING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED.
AND WE DO HAVE A REGISTERED SPEAKER WHO APPEARS TO BE HERE IN PERSON.
I'M SURE SIR, BY NOW YOU KNOW THE
I LIVE AT 73 50 BLAIR VIEW IN DALLAS.
UH, AND I, ALRIGHT, UH, GO AHEAD AND TELL US WHAT ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU THINK WE SHOULD HAVE BEFORE WE LOOK AT YOUR REQUEST.
I, I, MARCUS DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF, UH, HIGHLIGHTING THE, UH, MODIFICATIONS WE'VE MADE IN RESPONSE TO PREVIOUS COMMENTS FROM BOTH THE TASK FORCE AND THE COMMISSION.
UM, UH, ONE THING I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY IS THAT ON THE EAST FACADE WITH THE, THE BAY WINDOW PROJECTIONS, WE ACTUALLY DID REMOVE ONE OF THOSE.
THERE WAS A SERIES OF FOUR THERE.
YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S THREE NOW.
AND, UM, AS FOR THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE SMALLER HOUSE TO THE EAST, UH, ON THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS PART OF OUR EVALUATION THERE ON WHAT WE, PART OF IT WAS FORMAL WITH THE BUILDING THAT WE REMOVED.
THE ONE THAT'S IN THE, WHAT I THINK IT'S BEEN CALLED THE HYPHEN BEFORE IN DISCUSSIONS, BUT LIKE WHERE THE ROOFS CUT AWAY THERE, WE PUSHED THAT ONE BACK 'CAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY THE PORTION OF THE, OF OUR PROJECT THAT IS KIND OF CLOSEST TO THEIR BACKYARD AND THEIR POOL.
SO, I MEAN THAT'S THE, THE GESTURE THAT WE'LL MAKE THE STEP BACK JUST FROM A SEEMED LIKE LESS OF A PRIVACY ISSUE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ROOF VERSUS THE BACKYARD OF, SO THAT'S THE, THE DESIGN CHAIN IN A FORMAL SENSE.
WE ADJUSTED THE WINDOWS ON THIS FACADE.
WE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF OPENINGS SIGNIFICANTLY, UM, AND SIMPLIFIED THE WINDOW PATTERN, UM, AND EFFORTS TO MAKE THEM WITH A LITTLE LESS MODERN, UH, WHICH WOULD MAKE THEM, UM, A COMPLAINT OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER AN OBSERVATION THE LAST, LAST ROUND.
AND, UM, AS FAR AS, UH, I THINK THE OTHER DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT THE NEW PROPOSED ROOF MATERIAL.
UM, AND I HAVE SAMPLES HERE, WHICH I'M HAPPY TO SHARE, BUT, UH, THE PROPOSAL, UH, ORIGINALLY WAS A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF.
AND I THINK AT LEAST THERE WAS, I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE WAS CONCERNED, BUT THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT THAT, UH,
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THAT MATERIAL IN THE DISTRICT AS A MAIN BODY OF MATERIAL BEING BEFORE.UH, WE WANNA, SO LET ME BEFORE WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING, THIS IS NOT THE COLOR, THE COLOR IS RIGHT HERE, UH, WHICH IS THE METAL COLOR.
IT DOESN'T HAVE A TWO-TONE APPEARANCE.
THIS IS JUST THE ONLY SAMPLE THEY HAD AVAILABLE THAT WAS FULL SIDE.
UH, WE WOULD PREFER NOT THAT, UH, THE, THAT'S THE PROPOSED ROOF COLOR.
IT IS A MATTE FINISHED TO AVOID A KIND OF SHINY APPEARANCE, BUT THE GOAL HERE WAS TO GIVE MORE OF A SHINGLE APPEARANCE, LIKE A HORIZONTALITY TO THE ROOF INSTEAD OF THE VERTICAL.
UM, AND TO GIVE THAT A DIFFERENT SCALE FOR THE ROOF ITSELF, UM, IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH I THINK MOST OF THE, IT IT WILL NOT, IT'S JUST GONNA BE SOLID.
IT WON'T HAVE THE, IT WON'T HAVE THE GRAIN, IT WILL HAVE IT, THE METAL WILL BE THE SAME STAMP VERSION AS WHAT YOU'RE SEEING.
WHAT IS THE EXPOSURE OF THAT? HOW MUCH WILL BE THAT IS THE TIME.
I MEAN THAT WE GIVE THE APPLICANT ANOTHER THREE MINUTES.
ALRIGHT, WELL, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE EXPOSURE WILL BE? HOW MUCH WILL BE OVERLAPPED? I MEAN, HOW MUCH IT'S THAT IT'S, IT'S THAT IT'S, THAT'S THE, SO THAT'S LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT 11 INCHES.
SO IT'LL BE 11 INCHES EXPOSED.
YOU MEAN LIKE PER COURSE? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE I'M SORRY.
LIKE YOU MEAN LIKE IN A COSING SENSE? LIKE YEAH, YEAH.
SO IT'LL BE 11 INCHES WILL BE EXPOSED.
THAT, I MEAN THE NEXT PIECE JUST INTERLOCKS WITH THE LITTLE RIDGE THAT YOU SEE THERE ON THE, THE TOP.
WELL, I JUST ASKED SOMETHING YOU MAY NOT HAVE HEARD.
YOU SAID 11 INCHES WILL BE EXPOSED, SO IT WILL BE PRETTY MUCH LIKE THAT.
LOOK, IT WILL BE EXACTLY LIKE 11 INCHES WILL BE EXPOSED.
TYPICALLY THERE'S A LOT MORE OVERLAP, SO THEY'RE MORE SQUARE AND NOT SO ELONGATED, WHICH COULD BE INTERESTING.
BUT AGAIN, THE GOAL THERE WAS TO REORIENT THE KIND OF SCALE OF THE ROOF TO BE HORIZONTAL AND LESS OF THE VERTICAL STRIKE.
WHAT IT, WHAT THE BOOK COMMISSIONER REEVES, I, I HAD REQUESTED THAT THE PREVIOUS MEETING BEFORE WE MADE NOTES THAT THE OVERHANG OF THE ROOF COME OUT FOR THE, IN THE FRONT.
SO IT WOULD BE MORE LIKE THE HOUSE NEXT FLOOR INSTEAD INSTEAD OF MORE 1970S FLAT WITH THE ROOF IN FACE OF THE HOUSE.
IS THAT POSSIBLE? THE OH, YOU'RE YOU MEAN LIKE THE WHOLE FRONT PORTION? THE FRONT, THE FRONT, UH, WE WOULD PREFER NOT TO DO THAT.
UH, THAT'S VERY SEVENTIES, NOT 1870S, BUT 19
UH, WE PREFER TO LEAVE THE, THE PORCH CONDITION MORE OR LESS AS IT HOW, HOW FAR DOES IT OVERHANG NOW? HOW IN THE FRONT? YEAH.
UH, IT, IT'S A FEW INCHES, BUT THE GABLES ACTUALLY RECESS.
SO I MEAN IT HAS MORE RELIEF THAN WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE ON THE SIDE ELEVATION.
BUT THE, THE SHADOW LINE CREATED BY PUSHING THE, THE BASE OF THE, THE GABLE WITH THE SHORTER SIDING IS RECESSED BACK SIX INCHES OR SO.
AND SO THERE'S ABOUT BUT A PROJECTION ALONG THE TOP LY.
COULD WE SEE THE PICTURES OF THE TWO HOUSES SIDE BY SIDE? YEAH.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY ACCURATE OF THE HOUSE TO THE EAST.
I MEAN THAT'S SORT OF A PLACEHOLDER SCALE.
WELL WE HAVE A PICTURE, AN ACTUAL PICTURE.
I SIMILAR WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT PICTURE, I HAVE A QUESTION ON SIMILAR TO THAT SAME AREA.
UM, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR DIMENSION OF THE BOARD? IT SEEMS A LITTLE JUST, IT MIGHT NOT BE DRAWN ACCURATE.
UH, THE ACTUAL FACIAL BOARD DIMENSION.
UM, IPHONE THAT IT'S, IS THAT DANGLE TWO BY SIX RANGE? SIX.
SO IT'S, THAT'S SIX INCHES WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THERE.
YEAH, BECAUSE IS IT, IT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A LITTLE SKIMPY, A LITTLE THIN ON THE REPRESENTATION.
WELL, UH, I MEAN I, THE GOAL WOULD'VE BEEN TO MAKE IT BETTER,
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BUT I MEAN, IF THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU THERE ON THEBASICALLY HE IS TALKING THIS NOT, AND I'M TALKING MAYBE SIX INCHES OF A FOOT OR SAY NINE INCHES.
'CAUSE THAT'S IN BETWEEN, YEAH, NINE INCHES IS IN BETWEEN
WE COULD EXTEND THAT, BUT AGAIN, I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO FEEL LIKE IT'S GOT MORE THAN IT SHOWS IN THE SIDE ABLATION BECAUSE IT'S RECESS.
SO I MEAN, THERE'S A SHADOW LINE THAT, THAT WAS THE GOAL WITHOUT KIND FOUR IMPLANT.
IT SEEMS SORT OF FOREIGN, THE, THE GABLE ROOT OUT TOO FAR, UH, FROM THE MAIN BODY OF THE WALL.
WELL, THERE IS A CERTAIN TRADITION BECAUSE THAT EXTENSION PROTECTS SOME OF YOUR SIDING.
I KNOW YOU'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT, BUT, WELL, YOU KNOW, TRADITIONALLY THAT WAS PART OF IT.
IT'S, YEAH, BUT THAT, THAT WAS OUR, NOT THAT GONNA CREATE A SET THE ZONE OFF OF THE ROOF, YOU KNOW, THERE WITH THE SEPARATE SIDING BY PUSHING IT BACK AS OPPOSED TO SENDING THE, WELL INITIALLY YOU, YOU, YOU HAD THE, THE SIDING GOING UP AND DOWN AND IT WAS IDENTICAL TO MY 1970S HOUSE.
AND THIS IS NOT A 1970S NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO MAKE THE NINE, THE OVERHANG NINE INCHES? UH, YES.
AND I, I JUST WANNA THROW OUT THAT I THINK WHAT MR. RIVAS MIGHT BE WORRIED ABOUT IS HE, HE CAN'T JUST REDESIGN THIS STANDING AT A PODIUM, BUT, UM, IF, IF YOU, IF WE CAN KEEP CONDITIONS UNDER, UNDER FIVE AND JUST GIVE THEM AN APPROVAL WITH A FEW CONDITIONS, THEN IT MIGHT NOT BE SO BAD.
UM,
UH, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THIS APPLICANT HAS DONE, UH, JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING TO ACCOMMODATE THE COMMENTS.
UM, I THINK IT, IT'S, IT'S WISE TO, TO CALL THE QUESTION AT THIS POINT IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO? I SECOND CALLING THE QUESTION.
ANYONE CAN MAKE A MOTION AND THEY CAN CERTAINLY CALL THINGS INTO QUESTION.
THE THING IS, OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE THIS AS COMPATIBLE AS POSSIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO DO.
AND THERE IS ALWAYS A LINE WITH POINT OF ORDER.
THERE'S BEEN A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CALL THE QUESTION.
SO YOU TO CALL THE QUESTION WHO SAID I MAKE A MOTION? MR. SMITH, DID YOU SAY I MAKE A MOTION? OKAY.
SO WE MAKE SURE WE KNOW I MOVED THAT WE CALL THE QUESTION AND I SECOND THAT.
THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER KY, WE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE.
WHAT DO WE DO NOW? YOU HAVE TO SAY ALL THOSE IN FAVOR CALLING QUESTION.
SO CHAIRMAN MONTGOMERY, IF YOU WOULD ASK IF THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION SEEN AS THERE IS NONE, THEN YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE VOTE.
IS THERE, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? WHAT, WHAT IS THE MOTION? I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE MOTION IS TO STOP DISCUSSION, TO CALL FOR THE VOTE DISCUSSION AND TO CALL THE QUESTION.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS, WHAT IS THE QUESTION TO PAULA? THE QUESTION IS TO STOP DISCUSSION AND THEN TO MOVE TO MAKE A MOTION OF YOU WANT US TO STOP DISCUSSION OF EVERYTHING THAT IS WHAT, AND THEN MOVE TO MAKE A MOTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THAT WHICH DESCRIBES THE TERM CALL TO QUESTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ALL THOSE POSED, NO, BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY WE CAN'T DISCUSS ANYMORE? I, I SAY NO ALSO.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY NO AS WELL BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE STOPPED THE DISCUSSION.
NO, I'M SAYING THAT
IF THIS MOTION HAS JUST CARRIED, I WOULD LIKE OUR ATTORNEY TO TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED NEXT.
SO THE, THE CURRENT, YOU WERE HAVING A DISCUSSION, THE MOTION WAS CALLED TO CALL THE QUESTION TO FORMALLY END THE DISCUSSION.
SO NOW DISCUSSION HAS ENDED AND WE ARE IN THE STAGE ESSENTIALLY WHERE SOMEBODY MAKES A MOTION.
SO NOW WE CAN'T TALK ANYMORE UNTIL SOMEONE MAKES A MOTION.
DID WE ACTUALLY VOTE ON THAT? ACTUALLY THAT, THAT MOTION TO BE BE VOTED.
I SAID EVERYBODY WHO'S IN FAVOR SAY YES.
WE DIDN'T VOTE TO STOP THE SO CAN I.
OKAY, SO LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
LET ME, LET ME BE, LET ME, LET ME CLARIFY.
OR IF THE ATTORNEY WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY.
UM, THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS SO THAT WE
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CAN VOTE ON WHAT WE HAVE HERE, VOTE ON THE ITEM, AND MOVE ALL THE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION TO THE DISCUSSION PART OF THAT.AT THIS POINT, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING BACKWARDS WITH THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
LIKE I SAID, THESE, THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ON THE AGENDA SINCE BACK, YEAH, PAST NOVEMBER 25TH, UH, 2025.
SO I, I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, DO THIS, LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL IT, MAKE A MOTION WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE OR THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE SUGGESTED.
SO THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AND THEN GET IT INTO THE RECORD.
THAT IS, I WANNA MAKE CERTAIN THAT I'M, I'M, I'M OKAY.
I DO WANNA POINT OUT THE RIGHT ATTORNEY SAID THAT WE ASKED HIM IF MAYBE HE COULD MAKE THEM A LITTLE BIT DEEPER AND HE SAID YES.
SO WE KIND OF SOLVED THE ISSUE
SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THIS.
BUT WE, LET'S HAVE THE ROLL CALL.
VOTE ON THE VOTE WE JUST TOOK TO CALL THE QUESTION.
NO, THE, THE, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE DISCUSSION UNTIL YOU HAVE A MOTION.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A MOTION VERY FIRST BEFORE WE EVEN START.
WE HAD A MOTION TO CALL THE QUESTION.
PLEASE DO A ROLL CALL VOTE APPARENTLY YES.
DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER CUMMINS, IT'S THE END OF INTERACTING WITH THE APPLICANT AND ASKING IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO ENGAGE IN COMPROMISE.
CALL THE CALL THE ROLL CALL PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER CUMMINS, IF I UNDERSTAND THIS RIGHT, I'M A VOTE NO AGAINST THIS SINCE THIS IS TO END THE DISCUSSION.
UH, DISTRICT TWO COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY? NO.
DISTRICT THREE COMMISSIONER FOLAND? NO.
DISTRICT FOUR COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? YES.
DISTRICT EIGHT COMMISSIONER KY? YES.
DISTRICT NINE COMMISSIONER RENO? YES.
DISTRICT 11 COMMISSIONER IN TORONTO? YES.
DISTRICT 12 COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER? YES.
I HAVE A MOTION, UM, REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM, UH, 19, UH, 26, 26 THOMAS AVENUE, ALSO KNOWN AS CO A TWO SIX DASH SEVEN SEVEN THAT WE FOLLOW FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH, UM, A CONDITION THAT THE FRONT RAKE BE NINE INCHES.
BELIEVE WE GOT OUR SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER REEVES.
FRONT RAKE BE NINE A RAKE IS AN OVERHANG WHEN IT'S ON THE TABLE.
I KNOW, BUT YOU, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECTION OF IT NINE INCHES.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? I'D LIKE TO, UH, COMMEND THE APPLICANT FOR JUST REPEATEDLY SUBMITTING AND TRYING TO GET IT RIGHT.
UM, BEING AS THOUGH, UM, THIS IS NOT THE EASIEST BODY TO, TO PUSH THINGS THROUGH, I DON'T THINK WE'RE EVER GONNA LET ANYBODY JUST PUSH ANYTHING THROUGH THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE HISTORICAL VALUE.
UM, WE, I DO APPRECIATE, UH, THE CONSISTENT ATTEMPTS TO GET IT RIGHT.
MAY I, MAY I ASK MR. RUNO QUESTION? IS IT NO WORRIES THAT, WELL, IT'S ACTUALLY ASKED BACKWARDS THE WAY WE'RE DOING THIS.
SO, UM, DO YOU WANT IT NINE INCHES IN TOTAL OR NINE ADDITIONAL INCHES? NINE INCHES IN TOTAL FROM THE, FROM THE FACE OF THE, UM, OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE TO THE EDGE OF THE ROOF.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED, PLEASE SAY NO GOOD MOTION IS CARRIED.
IF YOU HAVE APPROVALS WITH VARIOUS CONDITIONS, WHICH I'M
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SURE YOU WILL MEET AS YOU HAVE PROBLEMS TO DO, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE CONDITIONS, PLEASE DISCUSS WITH STAFF, MARCUS, WE'D BE HAPPY TO HELP YOU.14 IS A COURTESY REVIEW AND THERE'S NO ONE TO TALK TO.
THIS IS, THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED BEFORE AND MARCUS IS JUST BROUGHT UP BECAUSE IT'S ON THE AGENDA, WE NEED TO DISCUSS IT, BUT WE SHOULD CONSIDER WHETHER WE WISH IN THE FUTURE TO CHANGE OUR RULES THAT WE DON'T DISCUSS COURTESY REVIEWS.
IF THEY'RE NOT HERE, THAT'S MARCUS'S REQUEST.
I WOULD POINT OUT THAT IF WE SEE SOMETHING WE WOULD REALLY WANT THEM TO HEAR IS A PROBLEM WITH THEIR SUBMISSION, THE STAFF CAN CONVEY THAT TO THEM AND IT HAS STILL ASSISTED THEM IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S NOT LIKELY TO PASS.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR BACK AND FORTH WITH THE APPLICANT TO BETTER FIND COMMON GROUND.
AND I THINK YOU CAN MAKE A POINT THAT IF THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS YOU WANT THEM TO THEM TO KNOW, THAT'S GREAT, BUT THEY CAN'T, I WOULD SAY THEY CAN'T COME BACK LATER AND SAY, WELL, YOU DIDN'T TELL ME BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, WELL, YOU WEREN'T HERE TO TELL.
SO, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, YOU, I WOULDN'T SPEND A TON OF TIME ON IT.
IF THEY CAN'T, IF IT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM, THEY WOULD BE HERE.
WELL, UM, OKAY, SO SHALL WE GO AHEAD.
COMMISSIONER RENO IS PREPARED.
LET HIM SHARE WHAT HE KNOWS AND THAT CAN BE PASSED ON TO OUR APPLICANT AND LET'S HOPE IT HELPED THEM.
UM, YEAH, I HAVE TO READ IT INTO THE RECORD, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING, UH, COURTESY REVIEW.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 36 0 4 MEADOW STREET IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 26 DASH 47.
THE REQUEST IS FOR OUR COURTESY REVIEW OF CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT STAFF.
SINCE THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION IS REQUIRED SO THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WOULD BE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, COURTESY REVIEW, COMMENTS ONLY NON-SUPPORTED WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS.
ARCHITECTURAL STYLE IS UNDETECTABLE.
STYLE OF MAIN BUILDING IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE DISTRICT COMMISSIONER, NO
YOU SAID YOU HAD SOMETHING TO SAY.
I'VE GOT A FEW RECOMMENDATIONS THAT, UM, ITEM NUMBER ONE, THAT THE, UH, ROOF SLOPE BE INCREASED TO SIX AND 12.
UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO, THAT THE PORCH COLUMNS, UM, THAT ARE SHOWN AS TWO PART TO INCREASE THE BRICK BASE TO A MINIMUM WIDTH OF ONE FOOT FOUR INCHES, WHICH IS, UM, TWO BRICKS WIDE, AND THAT THE UPPER PORTION BE A MINIMUM OF 10 INCHES WIDE.
UM, ITEM NUMBER THREE, THAT THE WOOD BRACKETS AT THE ROOF RAKE ON THE STREET ELEVATION BE ADDED.
UM, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THAT TO GANG THE LEFT FRONT WINDOWS TOGETHER WITH A SIX TO EIGHT INCH SEPARATION ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UH, REFER TO 36 22 MEYER STREET FOR THE A, AN EXAMPLE OF THE TWO PART COLUMN.
UM, ITEM NUMBER SIX, TO REDUCE THE FRONT PORCH WIDTH, REFER TO 36 11 DUNBAR, UM, AS A, AS A BUILT EXAMPLE, UH, TO COVER THE FRONT DOOR AND THE RIGHT HALF OF THE FRONT OF THE HOME, NOT THE ENTIRE FRONT.
AND ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, THAT THE RAFTER TAILS BE OPEN AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE HOME.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE, COMMISSIONER PRESI, COULD YOU REPEAT NUMBER SIX? WHAT WAS NUMBER SIX? YES.
UM, I CAN EXPLAIN IT A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH.
SO TODAY THE, UM, ON THE ELEVATION SUBMITTED, THE FRONT PORCH RUNS ALL THE, THE WAY, WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING IS THAT YOU JUST COVER THE RIGHT HAND WINDOWS AND THE FRONT DOOR AND IT STOPPED THERE.
UM, AND THEN I GAVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE THAT WAS SHOWN ON ANOTHER HOME.
SO IT WOULD HAVE TWO GABLES? YES.
A MINIMUM A MINOR ONE INSIDE OF THE, THE MAJOR SO IT LOOK MORE CRAFTSMAN LIKE.
THAT WAS GONNA BE MY SUGGESTION AS WELL TO BREAK UP THAT ROOF, RIGHT.
HAVE, HAVE A SMALLER PORCH ROOF.
AND THEN, YEAH, THERE ARE MANY EXAMPLES ON, ON BOTH, UH, MEYER AND ON DUNBAR.
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ALL WITHIN THE, YOU KNOW, ONE BLOCK RADIUS.ANYBODY ELSE?
I WORK WITH STAFF TO FIND AN APPROPRIATE HISTORIC STRUCTURE IN THE DISTRICT.
UH, THE APPLICANT PREFERS AND DESIGN NEW STRUCTURE TO BE SIMILAR TO THAT IN PROPORTIONS AND DETAILS.
MOST STRUCTURES ARE CRAFTSMAN BUNGALOWS.
I THINK IT'S EASIER FOR THEM TO JUST FIND SOMETHING AND TAKE A PICTURE OF IT AND REDO IT THAN TO TAKE WHAT THEY HAVE AND TRY TO FIX IT.
I THINK IT'D MIGHT BE EASIER TO START OVER.
IS THAT EVERYBODY? OH, MR. PER, YEAH.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STOP ON THE DRAWINGS.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE, I I'M CONFUSED ABOUT THE WINDOWS ON THE DRAWINGS.
IT SHOWS A SWING ON THE WINDOWS, ALMOST LIKE IT'S A CASEMENT, BUT THEY LOOK LIKE DOUBLE HUNG OR SINGLE HUNG WINDOWS ON THE ELEVATION.
CAN YOU GIVE ANY CLARIFICATION ON THAT? OR IS THAT JUST A DRAWING ERROR OR, IT'S VERY, IT'S VERY LIGHT, BUT YOU CAN SEE ON THE, ON THE PLAN I'M LOOKING AT, ON THE SITE PLAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE FLOOR PLAN OF THE HOUSE, IT SHOWS A SWING ON THE WINDOWS.
SO IT SHOWS THEM AS CASEMENT WINDOWS.
I MEAN IT TO ME THAT, I MEAN IT, YEAH, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THE SWING IS, IS INTENDING FOR IT TO BE A CASEMENT WINDOW, BUT THEN ON THE ELEVATIONS THEY LOOK LIKE A HUNG WINDOW.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S SOME HUNG WINDOW.
THE, THERE IS ACTUALLY A HINGE SHOWN ON THOSE, ON THE ELEVATION TOO.
SO THERE'S, SO IT IS A, IT IS SHOWING IT AS A CASE.
YOU GOTTA ZOOM IN REALLY CLOSE TO SEE IT.
MY THOUGHT WAS THAT HE WAS GOING FOR CREOLE COTTAGE, MAYBE
'CAUSE I WAS LIKE, THIS WOULD BE GREAT AT HOME IN NEW ORLEANS, BUT
SO IN THAT CASE, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IT WOULD BE A HUNG WINDOW AND NOT A CASE IN THE WINDOW.
TO MATCH THE PATTERNS OF THE REST.
I DON'T THINK THE CASEMENT WINDOW COULD LOOK LIKE THEY LOOK LIKE IN THE ELEVATION SIDE.
NO, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY MADE THE MISTAKE AND DRAWING.
IF THAT'S EVERYTHING FOR THAT, NEXT UP IS NUMBER 18 FOR WHICH WE STILL HAVE NO SPEAKERS EITHER.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO MY SPEAKERS TODAY.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 37 12 RUSKIN STREET IN THE QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 26 DASH 34.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RESTORE MAIN BUILDING IN FENESTRATION ROOF FARM PROFILE AND CLADDING.
I SHOULD HAVE ALSO ADDED, TAKEN THAT LITTLE EXTRA ADDITION OFF.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST TO RESTORE MAIN BUILDING AND FENESTRATION ROOF FORM PROFILE AND CLADDING CORRECTION OF UNAUTHORIZED WORK BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 3 17 20 26 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT PYRAMIDAL ROOF WITH EXPOSED RAFTER TAILS AND CENTRAL MASONRY CHIMNEY STACK BE RESTORED AND OR RECONSTRUCTED TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL AND FORM PITCH AND DETAILING EXTENDED EAVES AND RAFTER TAILS, MATCHING IN DIMENSIONS AND NUMBER AND CENTRAL MASONRY CHIMNEY MATCHING IN HEIGHT, MOTOR COLOR, AND REPLACEMENT BRICKS.
WITH RESPECT TO BRICKS, THE COLOR, THE MODULE SIZE AND THE TEXTURE SHOULD MATCH THE DOUBLE ASYMMETRICAL.
FRONT DOORS BE RESTORED TO THEIR ORIGINAL LOCATIONS AND OPENING DIMENSIONS THAT ALL ENCLOSED AND ARE INFILLED WINDOWS BE REOPENED AND RESIZED TO THEIR ORIGINAL DIMENSIONS AND LOCATIONS THAT ALL MISSING AND OR REMOVED.
WOOD TRIM AND WOOD DETAILS EXPRESSLY, EXPRESSLY RATHER RAFTER TAILS BE REPLACED WITH IN-KIND MATERIALS.
MATCHING IN DIMENSIONS COMPOSITION AND PROFILE.
AND THAT REPLACEMENT SIDING BE ALL WOOD HORIZONTAL LAB SIDING, MILLWORK PATTERN 1 1 7.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET STANDARDS CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1
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SUBSECTION D FIVE A FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.NO FORM COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTED WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS RESTORE ANNOUNCED TO ITS ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
UH, NUMBER TWO, RESTORE ALL DETAILS IN LIMITATION, WHICH, WHICH SIZE OF THREE REMOVE FULL PLANS RUNS.
SHOW CLEAR COMPARISONS BETWEEN THE DISTANT OF BUZZ WORK,
AND THE ABSENCE OF HIS SPEAKER.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR MOTION? I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, I REALIZE THERE WAS A LOT OF EFFORT TO EXTEND THE, UH, FOOTPRINT OF THE HOME, YOU KNOW, EXTENDING AT WHAT, FOUR TO FIVE FEET TO THE PERIMETER.
UM, WOULD IT BE REASONABLE TO REPLACE OR, UM, UH, TO MAKE ALL THE SUGGESTIONS THAT, THAT YOU'VE, UH, MADE TO GO BACK TO PARAMETAL GROWTH AND, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT KEEP THE FOOTPRINT? WELL, I THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND MY ONLY THING IS, AND WHEN YOU ARE THE ARCHITECT, YOU WOULD KNOW, I'M THINKING FOR THIS PYRAMIDAL ROOF TO WORK, IT NEEDS TO BE A SQUARE FOOTPRINT, ALMOST LIKE IT NEEDS TO COME IN.
SOME, IT NEEDS TO BE CLOSE TO A SQUARE FOOT, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING ABOUT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPOSED ROOF LINE, I WOULDN'T EVEN CALL IT PARAMETAL.
I WOULD CALL IT'S JUST A HIP ROOF BECAUSE IT, YEAH, IT'S A HIP TO ONE SINGLE PEAK.
WELL, 'CAUSE THE WAY I'M THINKING ABOUT IT IS THAT, UM, ALL OF THAT ROOF IS GONNA HAVE TO BE REFRAMED, UH, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE GOING TO THE TROUBLE TO DO THAT, BUT THEN ALSO HAVING TO BREAK OUT ALL OF THE FOUNDATION, TEAR DOWN A, YOU KNOW, A FIFTH OF THE HOME TO THE, TO THE SIDE, UM, WHEN THE ROOMS WERE VERY, VERY TIGHT ORIGINALLY, SEVEN AND A HALF FEET WIDE, EIGHT AND A HALF FEET WIDE BEDROOMS, UM, THAT IT'S A LOT MORE FUNCTIONAL PLAN WE CAN STILL ACHIEVE.
I MEAN, THE WINDOW OPENINGS ARE PROBABLY IDENTICAL THOUGH, WHAT THEY WERE BEFORE.
UM, I REALIZE NOW, YEAH, WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING, IT'S AN, IT'S AN L-SHAPED PLAN WITH THE PORCH OVER THE L.
UM, SO WHEN IT WILL BE SLIGHTLY COMPLICATED, HOWEVER, AS I'M PROPOSING OR SUGGESTING IS THE FACT THAT THAT ROOF'S GONNA HAVE TO BE REFRAMED REGARDLESS, OR AT LEAST 90% OF IT.
I DON'T, MAYBE NOT THAT MUCH, BUT, UM, I WOULD HATE TO REDUCE EVERYTHING THAT IT'S GAINED, UM, TO GET ITS ORIGINAL.
I MEAN, YES, I'M IN FAVOR OF GETTING ITS ORIGINAL CHARACTER BACK.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT ADDITION HAS TO BE REMOVED AT THE SAME TIME.
COMMISSIONER OSI, UM, THE ONLY THING I WOULD THINK OF WOULD BE THE FRONT PORCH.
THE WAY THE FRONT PORCH, THE FOUNDATION FOR THE PORCH HAS, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PULL THE, THE GABLE ALL THE WAY TO THE CORNER UNLESS YOU EXTEND THE FRONT PORCH, UM, CONCRETE PAD.
I THINK KEEPING WHAT HE HAS BUILT AND MAKING IT RESEMBLE WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE IS MORE PRACTICAL THAN RIPPING DOWN HALF THE HOUSE AND REBUILDING SOMETHING.
JUST TO PUT IT BACK LIKE IT WAS PARTICULARLY LIKE WAS MENTIONED THAT THE ROOM SIZE ARE BETTER AND I DON'T REALLY THINK THE BUILDING'S GONNA LOOK THAT MUCH DIFFERENT.
JUST ONCE THE DETAILS AND THE ROOF ARE PUT ON, I THINK IT WILL BE FINE.
I THINK THE APPLICANT IS, IT'S GREAT THAT THEY ARE GOING TO FIX IT AND WE SHOULD MAKE IT AS, AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE TO THEM.
AND ANYONE HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS? OR DOES SOMEONE HAVE A MOTION AND I HAVE A MOTION IF WE'RE ALL TENDING TO AGREE THAT MAYBE THEY SHOULD KEEP THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
NO, I HAVE A, WELL, I CAN DESCRIBE WHAT MY MOTION IS GONNA BE AND THEN ACTUALLY SAY IT.
I'M GONNA DENY WITHOUT I'M SURE YOU'LL DO.
I'M GONNA DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE AND THEN MAKE THE SUGGESTIONS THAT THAT, UM, THAT WE HAD MADE.
I, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A, A SIMPLE ROOF, BUT IT'S GONNA BE A LOT, UH, UH, MORE APPROACHING WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY.
UM, UM, YEAH, SO I'LL DO IT THAT WAY.
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UM, 37 12 RUSKIN STREET, UM, ALSO KNOWN AS 20, NO, SORRY, COA DASH 26 DASH 34 THAT WE DENY WHY THAT YEAH.THAT WE DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE, UM, WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT, UM, THE, UH, ADDITIONS YEAH.
ARE NOT, UM, UH, IN OR ARE NOT CONGRUENT WITH THE, UH, LET'S SEE, WITH THE CITY CODE SECTION 51, A DASH 4.501, UM, UH, D FIVE A FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES IN THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER RES.
SO FOR, SO THIS IS FOR DENIAL.
UM, I, I WOULD GO AHEAD AND INCLUDE SOME FINDINGS.
FACT OF WHY, HOW IS IT NOT, UH, HOW DOES IT NOT MEET THE STANDARD, UM, SPECIFICALLY JUST IN CASE THIS IS THE FIELD
WELL, UM, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE WAS, WELL, LET ME JUST DESCRIBE FIRST OF ALL, THAT THE CONDITIONS WERE SO RADICAL, UM, THAT, UH, I WOULD RATHER DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE AND THEN YEAH, HAVE 'EM COME BACK WITH A NEW DESIGN TO, TO GET YOU MOST OF THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT WITHOUT TEARING DOWN THE ADDITION OF THE HOUSE.
THAT I, IF, IF YOU LIKE, KIND OF STICK IT IN THE, THE MOTION OF, IN THAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID, UM, THAT WAY, THAT WAY LET IT BE DONE THAT WAY IT'S VERY CLEAR.
WE'RE WE'RE JUST SAYING COME BACK WITH A LITTLE DIFFERENT DESIGN, NOT THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA ENTERTAIN THE IDEA.
YOU, I'M SORRY YOU, YOU SAID IT, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS ON RECORD BECAUSE IT WASN'T COURT.
IT'S, IT'S, YEAH, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO HELP THEM
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
AND WE, DID YOU GET THAT? THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER REEVES ONE.
ANY FURTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION.
DO WE ASSUME THAT THEY CAN SUBMIT THIS NEW DESIGN BACK TO STAFF AND IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING YOU ALL CAN LOOK AT? I MEAN, I'M HOPING YOU, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO US.
WHAT, WHAT COMMISSIONER AU WAS SAYING IS THE REASON FOR THE DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE IS BECAUSE THE CONDITIONS WOULD BE SO EXTENSIVE AND DIFFICULT TO DETAIL THAT WE REALLY NEED TO SEE A NEW APPLICATION REFLECTING
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD.
THERE ARE CASES WHERE WE CANNOT TELL THEM ALL THE CONDITIONS AND THEY POSSIBLY KNOW WHAT WE MEAN.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO JUST MAKE THE OBSERVATION THAT DURING THE TIME THAT IS USUALLY RESERVED FOR QUESTIONINGS, WE DID HAVE SOME BACK AND FORTH AND DURING THIS TIME WE WERE ABLE TO COME UP WITH AN IDEA THAT ACTUALLY HELPS THE APPLICANT IN THE END BY MAKING THEIR PROPOSED WORK EASIER.
IF IT APPEARS THAT I'M VERY LAX IN FOLLOWING OUR, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE REQUIRED WAYS OF RUNNING A MEETING.
WELL, THAT'S TRUE, BUT ONE OF THE REASONS IS BECAUSE THIS BODY TRIES TO TALK BACK AND FORTH AMONG OURSELVES AND WITH OUR APPLICANTS IN ORDER TO COME UP WITH THE BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME.
SOMETIMES THAT TAKES A WHILE, ESPECIALLY IF PEOPLE HAVE A BELOVED DESIGN OR A PARTICULAR DESIRE.
THAT'S JUST REALLY HARD FOR ANYBODY TO COME UP WITH A CHANGE BOARD.
BUT THIS SEEMS TODAY, I'M VERY HAPPY THAT OUR STAFF CAN NOW GO BACK TO THIS PERSON WITH BAD NEWS.
IS YOU GOTTA DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
I THINK THEY PROBABLY ARE GONNA GET THAT.
THE GOOD NEWS IS, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE IT SMALLER, IT'S ALL, IT'S EASIER.
SO LET'S CALL FOR THE VOTE ON THIS ONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
STAFF, WE'LL TALK TO THEM WITH ALL THE APPROPRIATE DISCUSSION ABOUT APPEALING, BUT TELLING THEM REALLY THIS IS GOOD NEWS.
20 CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
ITEM NUMBER 20 AT LOCATION 1 29 SOUTH MONTCLAIR AVENUE, CITY COUNCIL, DISTRICT ONE, EXCUSE ME, COUNCIL DISTRICT ONE, CCA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT COA 26 0 0 0 0 9 6.
REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PLANT A DESERT WILLOW TREE IN THE PARKWAY.
RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PLANT A DESERT WILLOW TREE IN THE PARKWAY BE APPROVED WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT ALTHOUGH THE PROPOSED TREE IS TECHNICALLY INCONSISTENT
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WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA EXHIBIT 87 B, IT WOULD NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE DISTRICT.THE PROPOSED WORK WOULD THEREFORE MEET CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX RO G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND OR THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTINGS.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR SIGNIFICANT OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PLANT A DESERT WILLOW TREE IN THE PARKWAY BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE DESERT WILLOW IS NOT THE APPROVED LIST OF PLANTS, TREES FOR THE PARKWAY.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE GRAVEL THAT WAS SORT OF BROUGHT IN AT THE 11TH.
THERE'S NO GRAVEL, NO, THAT WAS NEVER PROPOSED.
I, I'M NOT EVEN SURE SOME OF THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS DIDN'T KNOW WHY THE PARTICULAR MEMBER SAID THAT.
I THINK THEY WERE AFRAID IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A TREE, THAT THEY WERE GONNA TAKE THE GRASS OUT.
BUT THAT WAS NOT PROPOSED IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
I, I'M NOT SURE, BUT I HAVE TO PUT EVERYTHING THAT THEY
SO THERE, THAT'S WHAT THAT IS.
IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION IN THE CASE OF CA 2 6 0 0 0 0 9 6 1 29 SOUTH MONTCLAIR AVENUE, I MOVE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PLANT A DESERT WILLOW IN THE TREAT.
WILLOW TRINA PARKWAY BE DENIED, DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
DESERT WILLOW IS NOT AN APPROVED PLANT LIST FOR THE PARKWAY AND WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE DISTRICT.
OUR SECOND IS COMMISSIONER RES.
OKAY, FOR DISCUSSION, WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO OUR OWN RESEARCH ABOUT ANYTHING, BUT I WAS SO TAKEN WITH THE APPEARANCE OF THE DESERT WILLOW THAT I CONSIDERED PUTTING ONE IN MY OWN YARD.
SO I DID GOOGLE TO SEE IF IT EVER STARTS TO LOOK LIKE A TREE WITH A TRUNK AND THE TOP.
IT CAN IF YOU DO IT RIGHT, BUT WE HAVE NO IDEA OF KNOWING WHETHER THEY WOULD DO THAT.
BUT I DID WANNA THROW THAT OUT THERE.
IT DOES SEEM LIKE AN ATTRACTIVE ALTERNATIVE TO THE CRATE MYRTLE.
EVEN MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN A CRATE MYRTLE.
I STILL MAY TRIED TO GET ONE, BUT I'LL PUT IT IN THE BACK.
SO TO CUT
I DON'T BELIEVE THE DESERT WILLOW IS A HORRIBLE TREE AND I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN MANY OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
HOWEVER, THIS DISTRICT WENT THROUGH AND CATEGORIZED EVERY DAMN TREE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD
AND THERE WERE NO DESERT WILLOW TREES ON THE PARKWAY.
SO I THINK IF THAT WAS THEIR CHOICE TO GO THROUGH THAT, IT'S OUR, OUR CHARGE TO GO WITH WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ORDINANCE SAYS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ALL THOSE NOT IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY NO.
STAFF WILL COMMUNICATE WITH THE APPLICANT AND REMIND THEM ABOUT THE OPTION OF A APPEALING OR JUST CHOOSING ANOTHER TREE AND COMING BACK, UH, OR COMING BACK WITH AN ARBORIST WHO WANTS TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT? I DUNNO.
WE HAVE TO VOTE ON OUR MINUTES.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES THEY WANT MADE TO THE MINUTES AS WE WERE MAILED OUT? AND IF NOT, DOES ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION MOVE THAT WE SET? THE MINUTES IS PRESENTED.
OUR SECOND IS COMMISSIONER SMITH.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
I BELIEVE THAT COMPLETES OUR BUSINESS FOR THE DAY AT THE UNHEARD OF OUR, OF 2 51 IN THE AFTERNOON.
THIS MEETING IS NOW ADJOURNED.