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          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          IT IS MAY 5TH. 
          THE TIME IS 3 0 4, AND I'VE CALLED THE AD HOC COMMITTEE OF ADMINISTRATIVE AFFAIRS. 
          MEETING TO ORDER. 
          FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. 
          THERE'S A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION OR CORRECTIONS? SAY NONE. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 
          UH, FIRST, UH, BRIEFING ITEM IS BRIEFING ITEM A AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE HR STAFF COME UP. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          THIS, UM, WE PRESENTED INFORMATION ABOUT THE CITY ATTORNEY RECRUITMENT. 
          UH, WE HAVE PRESENTED A MEMO WITH THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF THE SEARCH FIRMS THAT WE PROPOSE FOR THE SEARCH. 
          UM, WE HAVE PUT THEM INTO GROUPS. 
          THE FIRST GROUP ARE VERY SPECIALIZED LEGAL, THAT CAN DO GOVERNMENT, UM, POSITIONS, BUT ARE MORE TAILORED TO LEGAL. 
          UM, THE SECOND GROUP IS MORE TAILORED TO GOVERNMENT, AND THEY ALSO HAVE CITY ATTORNEY SPECIALISTS ON THEIR GROUP. 
          SO THESE ARE THERE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          WE DON'T HAVE AN EXISTING CONTRACT WITH ANY OF THEM RIGHT NOW, SO WHATEVER YOU, UM, IF YOU WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY OF THEM, WE CAN ASK THEM TO PRESENT PROPOSALS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO DO A CONTRACT WITH ANY OF THEM. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          UM, ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS? CHAIR MIDDLETON, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE VALUE OF THAT CONTRACT THAT'S AVAILABLE? THE DOLLAR AMOUNT? I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. 
          UM, WELL, I MEAN, IF IT'S $10,000, IT'S NOT GONNA BE ENOUGH. 
          IF IT'S HALF A MILLION, IT'S MORE THAN ENOUGH. 
          I MEAN, DO WE KNOW THAT THERE'S ADEQUATE DOLLARS? IT DEPENDS ON THE SEARCH FIRM THAT YOU WANNA ENGAGE. 
          UM, THE LAST TIME THAT WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS FOR PRIVACY ENGAGEMENT WITH 'EM, UH, THEY'LL COME, THE SEARCH FIRMS WILL COME FROM THEIR PROPOSAL, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE TO, TO APPROVE THE AMOUNT. 
          UM, THE NORMAL AMOUNT TO, TO GO OVER THESE IS THEY, UM, PROPOSE, UH, EXTRA AMOUNT OF TIMES THE SALARY. 
          SO IT CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM 20,000 TO, YOU KNOW, 50,000. 
          BUT IT DEPENDS ON, ON THE SEARCH FIRM THAT WE, THAT WE HAVE THEM PRESENT. 
          BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THE AMOUNT THAT'S AVAILABLE? I DON'T, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, CHAIR, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT PERHAPS WE MIGHT NOT WANT TO DO A NATIONWIDE SEARCH AND ONLY CONSIDER INTERNAL? UM, I, I'LL LET THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UH, ADDRESS THAT AND THEN I WILL COME BACK, UH, TO ANSWER THAT. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CENA, I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST FOR A SEARCH, UM, TO HELP INFORM OUR DECISION, ESPECIALLY WITH SOME OF THE BUDGET ISSUES WE'RE DEALING WITH. 
          SO, UH, I AGREE. 
          I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW, YOU GAVE US A LITTLE BIT OF A RANGE ON, UH, WHAT THIS WOULD COST TO GO OUT. 
          UH, BUT MY, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. 
          UM, YOU PROVIDED A LIST OF TWO OPTIONS. 
          IF THERE'S A, A FIRM THAT, OR WE JUST DON'T AGREE WITH ANY OF THOSE FIRMS, WHAT WOULD BE THE OPTION FOR COUNSEL TO ASK FOR ADDITIONAL FIRMS TO, UM, POTENTIALLY DO THE SEARCH FOR US? THIS IS JUST AN, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT ARE TOP NICHE ON THE INDUSTRY, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, WE CAN BRING, UM, WHATEVER OTHER, UM, SEARCH FIRM THAT YOU MAY WANT TO ENGAGE IN THE PROCESS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN ON THE BUDGET QUESTION, UM, THERE IS, UH, IS THERE CURRENTLY DOLLARS SET ASIDE TO, UH, DO THE SEARCH FIRM TO SELECT A SEARCH FIRM WITHIN THESE, UH, OPTION ONE OR OPTION TWO? OR DO WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND GET ADDITIONAL DOLLARS TO FUND THE, UH, THE SEARCH PROCESS? THE SEARCH PROCESSES ARE FUNDED BY THE DEPARTMENT, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY ALLOCATED FOR THESE. 
          SO THEY'LL HAVE TO COME, UM, FUNDED BY THE, UM, STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M SORRY, YOU SAID DO OR DO NOT HAVE THE FUNDS IN HR? WE DON'T HAVE FUNDS FOR THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN, UM, IS THERE AN ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION ON THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, UH, IF FOR TO NOT 
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SEEK COUNCIL APPROVAL? GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UH, NINA ARIAS, DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES. 
          UH, IF IT IS UNDER 100,000, WE'LL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT IT. 
          IT WILL BE REPORTED LATER ON, BUT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, CHAIR STEWART, COME BACK. 
          WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BASIL DOA. 
          UM, I WOULD JUST CHIME IN THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, EXTERNAL CANDIDATES. 
          SO, UM, I, I WOULD PREFER IT NOT TO JUST BE LIMITED TO INTERNAL COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKMAN. 
          OKAY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER ENA. 
          UM, SO WHAT, WHO DID WE USE LAST TIME WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS? I KNOW IT'S BEEN A WHILE. 
          UM, WAS IT SOMEBODY IN, DID WE USE INTERNAL HR? A FIRM? THE, GO AHEAD. 
          WELL, WE USE GOV HR FOR, FOR THIS THE LAST TIME, I THINK. 
          RIGHT. 
          CHAIR RIDLEY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          I HAVE JUST THREE COMMENTS. 
          ONE, I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD SEEK EXTERNAL CANDIDATES AS WELL AS LEAVE IT OPEN FOR INTERNAL CANDIDATES. 
          UH, SECONDLY, THE TWO GROUPS THAT WERE OUTLINED IN THE MEMO, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A PREFERENCE FOR THE SECOND GROUP FOR THE REASON THAT THEY ARE SMALLER, THEY ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE NIMBLE AND QUICKER IN THEIR SEARCH, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THEY ARE SPECIALISTS IN GOVERNMENT HIRES. 
          UH, WE SHOULD NOT, UH, WELL, THE, THE, THE PROBLEM I THINK THAT WE HAVE WITH THE GROUP ONE MULTINATIONAL FIRM, UH, IS WHAT WE EXPERIENCED BEFORE, IS THAT THEY ARE NOT THAT WELL ATTUNED TO THE NEEDS OF A GOVERNMENT ENTITY AND A LEGAL HIRE. 
          IF WE HIRE OUT OF GROUP TWO, THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO, UM, PROVIDE US, I THINK, UH, GOOD CANDIDATES. 
          AND FINALLY AND FOREMOST, PLEASE DO NOT HIRE THE SEARCH FIRM WE USED FOR THE CITY MANAGER WHO COULDN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PICTURE OF DALLAS AND ONE OF HOUSTON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOTED. 
          UH, CHAIR STEWART. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CHAIR. 
          UM, YES, I AM INTERESTED IN THE FIRMS THAT FALL WITHIN GROUP TWO AS WELL. 
          UM, I JUST THINK WE ARE LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY WHO, UM, HAS HAD SOME MUNICIPAL EXPERIENCE. 
          I THINK IT'S A UNIQUE PRACTICE OF LAW FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. 
          AND I THINK ATTORNEYS VERY OFTEN DO SPECIALIZE IN CERTAIN AREAS. 
          SO I THINK, UM, I THINK WE, WE WOULD DO BETTER TO HAVE, UM, GROUPS THAT CAN REACH THE ATTORNEYS WHO'VE HAD SOME EXPERIENCE WITH MUNICIPALITIES. 
          AND WAS THERE ANOTHER QUESTION? SORRY. 
          UM, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I SAW IN THE MEMO IS WHETHER IT WAS GROUP ONE OR TWO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          THERE'S ALSO THE OPTION TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL, UM, FIRMS, UH, IF WE DON'T SEE ONE ON HERE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO, TO INTERVIEW. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THE LIST. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I, I DO WANNA GO BACK TO CHAIRMAN MENDELSON'S. 
          UM, UH, I GUESS QUESTION FROM EARLIER, AND THIS MIGHT BE MORE OF A LEGAL QUESTION, IS IF THERE'S COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT FEEL STRONGLY, UH, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, WHETHER THEY'RE GOING INTERNAL OR EXTERNAL, WOULD THAT BE, HOW WOULD WE, HOW WOULD WE HANDLE THAT SITUATION? WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT'S IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DETERMINE WHETHER THERE'S A DESIRE TO EVEN GO OUTSIDE OF, UH, TO EXTERNAL CANDIDATES? UH, YES. 
          I, UH, MAYOR, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR OUR LEGAL TEAM, BUT I IMAGINE THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE RESOLVED IN CLOSED SESSION OR EVEN IN OPEN SESSION THROUGH A VOTE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND YOU, YOU SAID THE RANGE FOR A FIRM LIKE THIS WOULD BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN, UH, 10 AND, UH, 50,000? IS THAT, UH, IT, IT, IT, IT DEPENDS. 
          UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT TRAVEL, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT CANDIDATES ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, MOST LIKELY IS GOING TO BE HIGHER. 
          UH, WE ASSUME THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE OVER 50,000. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE PROCESS FOR THE LAST, UH, CITY ATTORNEY HIRE, UM, YOU GUYS HANDLED, HANDLED THAT? YES. 
          UM, IT, THERE WAS AN INTERIM, 
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UM, APPOINTMENT AND THEN, UH, DURING THAT TIME, THEN THERE WAS A SEARCH, AND THEN THE INTERIM WAS APPOINTED AS, UH, PERMANENT. 
          OKAY. 
          IS WHAT I RECALL. 
          AND I'LL, I'LL BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE MAYBE MORE DETAILS AROUND THAT PROCESS. 
          BEEN A WHILE. 
          UH, DID YOU WANNA DO THAT LATER OR, OKAY. 
          YES. 
          JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. 
          YES, YES. 
          WE CAN PROVIDE THAT LATER. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, CHAIR MENDELSON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN THREE SEARCHES FOR CITY ATTORNEYS PRIOR TO THIS SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL. 
          AND SO I'M JUST GONNA SAY THAT WHEN THERE'S BEEN AN INTERNAL CANDIDATE, WE HAVE RECEIVED, UM, NOT VERY QUALIFIED CANDIDATES AND THEY HAVEN'T MATCHED WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR BECAUSE THE CANDIDATES, I THINK, GENERALLY THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR AREN'T GONNA PUT FORWARD THEIR NAME IN A PUBLIC WAY. 
          AND, UM, THEY'RE CONCERNED THAT WE'RE GONNA JUST GO WITH AN INTERNAL. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY I SAID THAT WE HAD STRONG CANDIDATES. 
          I THINK THERE'S OTHER CANDIDATES INTERNAL THAT DIDN'T EVEN APPLY, THAT MIGHT FOR, UM, FOR THE, FOR THE JOB. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE. 
          WE NEED TO PROBABLY ASK THEM, BUT WE HAVE DEVELOPED LEADERSHIP INTERNALLY THAT, UM, WOULD, I THINK, SCARE OFF OUTSIDE CANDIDATES AND RIGHTFULLY SO. 
          THEY'VE EARNED THAT. 
          SO IF WE'RE OF A MIND THAT WE REALLY WANNA FIRST CONSIDER INTERNAL, I THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT BEFORE WE GO START HIRING AND PUT IT ALL OUT THERE, AND THEN GET BACK WE CANDIDATES AND END UP DOING WHAT WE WERE GONNA DO ANYHOW. 
          SO JUST, IT'S, IT JUST BECOMES AN EXERCISE AND TIME AND MONEY THAT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THAT QUESTION. 
          THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO KNOW IS THAT IF WE DO GO FORWARD, AND I WOULD AGREE THAT GOING WITH GROUP TWO IS MORE APPROPRIATE. 
          THERE'S STILL WHAT, FIVE, SIX, UM, FIRMS ON HERE. 
          UM, HOW WOULD THOSE BE EVALUATED? I MEAN, WOULD WE ACTUALLY INTERVIEW EVERY ONE OF THEM, OR WOULD THERE BE SOME SORT OF, UM, PROPOSAL THAT THEY COULD GIVE, EVEN IF WE DON'T HAVE TO DO A ACTUAL PROCUREMENT TO HELP US NARROW IT DOWN TO MAYBE JUST THREE FIRMS? WE CAN, UH, THAT IS PART OF WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK, UH, THE COMMITTEE TODAY IS FOR GUIDANCE ON HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROCEED. 
          UH, WE CAN, IF THE LIST, THE SECOND, UH, LIST, UM, IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, WE CAN CONTACT THEM AND ALL IN, IN MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE INTERESTED. 
          THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE INTERESTED. 
          AND ANYONE WHO'S INTERESTED AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND CONTACT IF YOU WANT TO SEE THEM ALL. 
          WE'LL BE HAPPY TO BRING THEM ALL, IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO RANK THEM AND IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, BASED ON YOUR CRITERIA, WHO WILL BE THE TOP THREE FIRMS. WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL. 
          SO IT'S AT YOUR PLEASURE. 
          SO THE FIRMS THAT YOU HAVE ON HERE, LIKE HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THOSE? THESE ARE FIRMS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, KNOWN. 
          I WILL SAY IN GOVERNMENT, THEY ARE THE TOP FIRMS IN GOVERNMENT. 
          THEY TYPICALLY, WE KNOW BECAUSE IN TEXAS, THE LAST THEY ADVERTISE, THEY ARE, THEY HAVE A STRONG PRESENCE. 
          UM, AND SO THAT IS HOW WE CAME UP WITH THAT LIST. 
          IT IS NOT ALL INCLUSIVE. 
          THERE MAY BE OTHER FIRMS THAT, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE KNOW OF THAT HAVE RECENT HIRES IN TEXAS. 
          SO WE ACTUALLY WENT BY WHO THEY HAVE HIRED LATELY. 
          SO THIS IS FIRMS THAT HAVE WORKED WITH HOUSTON, HAVE WORKED WITH SAN ANTONIO. 
          UM, AND THAT'S MOSTLY WHAT WE DID. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ANY OTHER CRITERIA, ERICA, THAT WAS USED. 
          AND THAT WAS, UM, THAT WAS HOW WE, WE FOUND THEM. 
          WE WERE TRYING TO LIKE FIND THE BEST FOR THE ONES THAT ARE SPECIALIZED ON THE LEGAL, UM, ASPECT, BUT ALSO THE SECOND ONE IS MUNICIPAL, BUT WITH STRONG PRESENCE ON LEGAL. 
          SO THAT IS HOW WE COME UP WITH THE LIST, BUT IT'S NOT A EXCLUSIVE LIST. 
          THIS IS KINDA LIKE OUR PROPOSAL OF THE ONES THAT ARE TOP NICHE. 
          WELL, I'LL JUST SAY THAT HAVING DONE OTHER RECRUITS, RECRUITMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE AT THE CITY, AS WELL AS IN OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, YOU'RE MISSING A COUPLE THAT ARE VERY WELL KNOWN, THAT ARE VERY PROLIFIC IN TEXAS CITIES. 
          SO, I MEAN, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT SURPRISING. 
          UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD ANY TO THE LIST, IS THE LIST IS OPEN, SO IT IS ACTUALLY A RECOMMENDATION. 
          UM, SO, 
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BUT IT'S NOT ALL INCLUSIVE, SO IF THERE'S ANY OTHER FIRMS THAT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH OR YOU, YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD, WE'LL HAPPY TO REACH OUT TO THEM AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          WELL, AGAIN, I'M SURPRISED TO SEE THIS IS THE LIST THAT ISN'T FROM SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU JUST GENERATED BASED ON YOUR KNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS A SURPRISING LIST FOR ME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER AT CADENA. 
          . 
          UM, WELL, I, I WOULD DEFINITELY WANNA SEE, I THINK FROM GROUP TWO WITH MUNICIPAL EXPERIENCE, I THINK, UM, JUST HAVING WORKED WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND, AND WORKED WITH THE CITY, IT DOES TAKE A WHILE TO GET, UM, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, UP TO SPEED WITH HOW THINGS ARE RUN. 
          AND SO, UM, WOULD WANT TO SEE SOMEBODY WITH SOME MUNICIPAL EXPERIENCE. 
          I THINK HAVING A SEARCH FIRM THAT HAS THAT BACKGROUND IS DEFINITELY HELPFUL. 
          UM, BUT THEN ALSO I THINK MAYBE SEE WHO IS INTERESTED FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEYS, UM, DEPARTMENT AS WELL, BECAUSE I DON'T, I KNOW WE'VE HEARD MAYBE SOMEBODY'S, YOU KNOW, INTERESTED OR MAYBE NOT, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A FORMAL PROCESS OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, UM, IN ORDER TO, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION AND MAKE A GOOD DECISION. 
          ANYONE ELSE? ON A ROUND TWO? OKAY. 
          SO I WANT TO THANK YOU, UH, FOR CREATING THIS LIST FOR US. 
          I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT START. 
          UM, I, I DON'T WANT TO GO, UH, IN, UH, TRY TO IDENTIFY, UH, NEW SEARCH FIRMS. I THINK YOU GUYS ARE BRINGING US THE, THE LIST THAT'S, UH, THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT. 
          UM, I WOULD PROBABLY, UH, ASK YOU GUYS TO RANK THESE. 
          UH, AND AT THE SAME TIME, UH, WE'LL GET WITH LEGAL TO SEE ABOUT, UM, WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THIS COUNCIL WANTS TO PROCEED WITH A, UH, INTERNAL ONLY OR INCLUDE EXTERNAL. 
          SO IN THE MEANTIME, I WANT TO JUST GO AROUND, UH, TO THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND, AND SEE IF YOU GUYS ARE OPEN TO HAVING, UH, STAFF, UH, RANK THE LIST. 
          AND AT THE SAME TIME ALSO, UM, IF, IF THERE'S A NAME THAT YOU WOULD LIKE INCLUDED. 
          AND THEN I THINK YOU, YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN VERY OPEN TO, UM, TAKING SUGGESTIONS ON, ON ADDITIONAL FIRMS THAT MAYBE WEREN'T IDENTIFIED. 
          AND SO IF WE CAN RANK THOSE, MAYBE GIVE THE COMMITTEE, UH, BY THE END OF THE WEEK TO SUBMIT ANY ADDITIONAL FIRMS FOR CONSIDERATION, UH, TO GIVE YOU GUYS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RANK THOSE. 
          I, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE FOR US TO CONTACT THEM AND SEE THEIR INTEREST BEFORE WE DO THE RANKING? UM, I, I, YEAH, I THINK SO. 
          WE'LL DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, COMMITTEE, DOES THAT SOUND OKAY? WE WILL DO THAT, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE ARE GOING TO JUMP TO, TO ITEM, UH, D WE'VE HAD A, A NUMBER OF, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST IN THIS ITEM. 
          AND SO WE'LL GO, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND JUMP TO ITEM D,  MAYOR, UH, AMAD GORE, CHIEF OF STAFF TO THE CITY MANAGER. 
          UH, AS YOU MENTIONED, SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, HAD INQUIRIES ABOUT HOW OUR PROCESS IS RELATED TO POOL ITEMS COMPARED TO SOME OF OUR PEER CITIES, UH, ACROSS THE STATE. 
          UH, SO THE OFFICE OF GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS, UH, DID SOME RESEARCH, UH, AND IS HERE TO PRESENT THAT INFORMATION TO YOU TODAY. 
          I'LL TURN IT OVER. 
          THANK YOU, ERIC. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, YOU'VE GONE TO BACK-TO-BACK COMMITTEES TODAY, AND SO, UH, OFFICIALLY WELCOME TO DALLAS. 
          GO AHEAD, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO IF YOU CAN JUST GO OVER THE, UM, IT'S ACTUALLY NOT IN MY MIND RIGHT HERE, BUT, UH, WHAT, WHAT YOU FOUND FROM COMPARISON, UH, ON OTHER CITIES AND HOW THE PROCESS THAT THEY DO FOR, FOR PULLING ITEMS. YES, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS. 
          CERTAINLY GLAD TO BE BACK. 
          AND SO WITHIN THIS RESEARCH, UM, THAT WE HAD ALIGNED AND LOOK AT OTHER PEER MUNICIPALITIES TO FIND WHAT MOST WORKED EFFICIENTLY, EFFECTIVELY, AND ALSO TRANSPARENT, UM, WITH LOOKING AT NEIGHBORING CITIES, NOT ONLY WITHIN NORTH TEXAS, BUT THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF TEXAS AS WELL. 
          WE HAD ALIGNED AND ENSURED THAT WE GIVEN A GREAT SNAPSHOT OF THE PULLED ITEM THAT WERE PULLED BY CITIES THROUGHOUT TEXAS, UM, LOOKING EFFECTIVELY AT, UH, ONE PARTICULAR MUNICIPALITY WITHIN FORT WORTH, WHICH WE DETAILED, UM, WITHIN THEIR RESPECTIVE COUNCIL MEETINGS, THE NUMBER OF PULLED ITEMS THAT WERE, UM, ALLOTTED, UH, DUE TO 
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A 2022 RESOLUTION. 
          UM, AND SO LOOKING AND DETAILING WITHIN THIS HISTORICAL FOOTNOTE, UM, IS WHAT WE CERTAINLY HAD WENT THROUGH OTHER CITIES AS WELL. 
          UM, ON TOP OF THAT, WE HAD LOOKED AT OTHER, UM, PEER ASSOCIATIONS, UM, THROUGHOUT TEXAS THAT SEVERAL CITY CLERKS ARE MEMBERS OF, UH, TO PROVIDE THAT HISTORICAL FOOTPRINT FOR YOUR REVIEW AS WELL AS A RESOURCE. 
          WE HAVE ALSO ALIGNED WITH THE, UH, CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE, WHO IS ALSO HERE TO SPEAK, UH, ON THE PROCESS AND PROCEDURES AS WELL THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS CURRENTLY ENCOMPASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, ENA. 
          SO I THINK IN TERMS OF SIZE, IS IT SAN ANTONIO WAS THE CLOSEST TO US, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN, UM, I, YOU KNOW, OURS, WE HAVE REGULAR CONSENT AGENDA OR, OR AGENDA ITEMS, AND THEN WE HAVE ZONING. 
          DO, DID WE LOOK AT THAT AT ALL IN, IN THIS LIKE TO IF ALL OF THESE CITIES HAVE LIKE THEIR ZONING, UM, AT THE SAME TIME AS WELL? OR WAS THIS LIKE, DID THAT THIS INFORMATION INCLUDE THIS? 'CAUSE I SEE WHERE IT SAYS AGENDA ITEMS. I'M JUST CURIOUS. 
          IT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND I CERTAINLY CAN REACH OUT TO, UM, CITY SECRETARY OR THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WHO'S ALSO HERE TO ADDRESS THOSE. 
          THEY MAY NEED YOU TO REPEAT THE QUESTION. 
          UH, SO MY QUESTION IS, DOES THIS ALSO INCLUDE ZONING ITEMS FOR HOW ITEMS ARE PULLED? I THINK THIS RESEARCH REALLY FOCUSED ON THE CONSIDER AGENDA AND PULLED ITEMS. UH, BUT IF WE NEED TO LOOK FURTHER INTO ZONING ITEMS, UH, WE COULD DEFINITELY EXTEND THAT RESEARCH. 
          OKAY. 
          BERT VANDENBERG, UH, UH, UH, INTERIM CITY ATTORNEY. 
          UM, I THINK ZONING ITEMS ARE PROBABLY GONNA BE CONS BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY. 
          THEY ARE A PUBLIC HEARING BY STATE LAW, AND I WANT TO JUST DOUBLE CHECK THAT FOR YOU GUYS, BUT I, I DON'T, I DO THINK THAT THEY WILL BE, I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO REALLY ALTER HOW THOSE GET PULLED OFF THE TOP, BUT I'LL GET BACK TO YOU GUYS ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS IS PRIMARILY JUST FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA, OKAY. 
          CORRECT. 
          YOU CAN COME BACK TO ME, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF MY BIG QUESTIONS. 
          I HAD, UH, CHAIR JOHNSON, CHAIR STEWART. 
          SO IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THIS, RIGHT? IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S JUST ONE. 
          UM, SO I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO, UM, HAVE SOME DISCUSSION OVER WHAT OUR PRIORITY IS. 
          IS IT TIMING? IS IT NUMBER, IS IT, I MEAN, IS IT TIMING AS IN WHEN THEY CAN BE PULLED? UM, DO WE NEED A MESSAGE BOARD LIKE AUSTIN HAS WHERE YOU MAKE A NOTE THAT YOU'RE DOING IT? UM, DO WE TURN THIS OVER TO THE MAYOR? IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WERE A COUPLE OF CITIES MAYBE WHERE JUST ONLY THE MAYOR COULD PULL AN ITEM. 
          SO THERE, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT OPTIONS, WHICH I HAD NO IDEA. 
          YOU KNOW, HOW WHEN YOU'RE IN YOUR WORLD, YOU THINK EVERYBODY DOES IT LIKE YOU DO. 
          SO I, I FEEL LIKE, AND I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S MAYBE WHAT WE'RE DOING DOING TODAY IS JUST HAVING DISCUSSION ON THE PROS AND CONS OF DIFFERENT, UM, DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          I THINK THE CONCERN IN THE CITY IS THE MORE OF THE TIMING IT SEEMS TO ME. 
          UM, AGENDA ITEMS THAT ARE PULLED VERY CLOSE IN TIME TO THE MEETING SEEMED TO BE A CONCERN. 
          AND, UM, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK IF THERE ARE ENOUGH OF US WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, WE SHOULD MAKE A PROPOSAL FOR, UM, WHAT WE THINK IS FAIR AND, AND THEN THAT SHOULD BE VOTED ON, I THINK BY THE COUNCIL. 
          I DON'T THINK A COMMITTEE SHOULD MAKE THAT, RIGHT? I MEAN, TO MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          AND MAYBE THAT'S ALREADY THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE'RE REALLY HERE JUST AS A RESOURCE AND, AND DISCUSSION BODY. 
          SORRY, THAT WASN'T VERY CLEAR AT ALL, BUT IT'S JUST KIND OF WHERE MY HEAD SPACE IS. 
          THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER WAYS TO DO THIS. 
          I THINK THERE IS CONCERN AMONGST THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ON HOW WE DO THIS. 
          AND SO I THINK THERE IS, UM, CLEARLY AN APPETITE OR AN IN A STRONG INTEREST IN LOOKING AT AN ALTERNATIVE WAY, UM, TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY DO. 
          CHAIRMAN MENDELSON. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO I 
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THINK THAT COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART MADE SOME VERY GOOD POINTS. 
          AUSTIN DOES A MESSAGE BOARD, WHICH I THINK WE SHOULD DEFINITELY DO. 
          I HAVE ASKED, UH, BILLY RAY TO LOOK INTO THIS, UH, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, AND SHE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS POSSIBLE GIVEN THE TECHNOLOGY, THE COMPANY THAT AUSTIN WAS USING WHEN OUTTA BUSINESS. 
          BUT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT TODAY THIS SERVICE DOES EXIST AND THIS WOULD BE A WONDERFUL WAY TO BRING TRANSPARENCY TO THE PUBLIC. 
          AND SO I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF TRYING TO INSTITUTE THAT PROCESS. 
          UM, AS YOU POINT OUT, THERE'S TWO CITIES, EL PASO AND FORT WORTH, WHERE IT'S THE MAYOR OR THE MAYOR PROAM, WHO CAN ONLY PULL. 
          AND THEN THERE'S THREE CITIES ON THE CHART, UH, SAN ANTONIO, WHICH TO COUNCIL. 
          MAYOR KADEN'S POINT IS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN DALLAS. 
          UM, PLANO, ABOUT A FOURTH, THE SIZE OF DALLAS AND IRVING. 
          UM, ALSO, ARLINGTON DOES IT THIS WAY WHERE ANY COUNCIL MEMBER CAN PULL ANY ITEM. 
          AND ACTUALLY VERY OFTEN IT'S RIGHT ON THE FLOOR AT THE MOMENT OF WHO WANTS TO PULL ANYTHING OFF. 
          BOOM. 
          THAT'S THE FIRST THEY HEAR OF IT. 
          SO, UM, I'LL JUST SAY, I THINK THIS IS DIRECTED AT ME, AND SO I'LL JUST SAY IT. 
          UM, I DEFINITELY PULL THINGS AT THE LAST MINUTE ON PURPOSE, EVEN WHEN I KNOW I'M GONNA PULL IT LATER. 
          BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS CITY STAFF GOES AND THEY LOBBY THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND GIVE THEM TALKING POINTS TO DEBATE ME. 
          AND SO WHY WOULD I GIVE PEOPLE THAT OPPORTUNITY? WHY WOULD I GIVE THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TIME TO GO LINE UP COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO PROBABLY DIDN'T CARE ABOUT SOMETHING TO JUST PROMOTE THE COUN, THE CITY MANAGER'S POINT OF VIEW WE'RE THE POLICYMAKING BODY. 
          IF A MEMBER OF THE BODY WANTS TO DEBATE IT, WE SHOULD, WE ARE THE ONES WHO SHOULD BE DEBATING IT. 
          THE CITY MANAGER STAFF HAS HAD TIME TO PREPARE THIS. 
          THEY'VE HAD TIME TO BRIEF IT TO US. 
          THEY'VE DONE ALL OF THAT PART. 
          BUT AT THE POINT THAT IT COMES TO US, IT'S THE ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT SHOULD BE DEBATING NOT THE MANAGER. 
          THE MANAGER IS TYPICALLY COMPLETELY SILENT IN A CITY COUNCIL MEETING. 
          BUT WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IS THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          AND EVERY ONE OF YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          YOU GET LOBBIED TO COME AND DEBATE ME FOR SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA PASS ANYHOW, BUT DESERVES TO HAVE AN ERRING, DESERVES TO HAVE ON THE RECORD QUESTIONS. 
          AND I'M GONNA CONTINUE TO ASK THEM, IF YOU WANNA PULL BACK THE DEADLINE, WE CAN DO THAT. 
          I WILL CONTINUE TO PULL ITEMS AND I'LL PUT SOME BACK THAT I DON'T REALLY NEED. 
          BUT THAT IS THE PURPOSE. 
          WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO THOUGH, IS HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE COME AND EXPLAIN ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER AND HOW CONSENT AGENDAS ARE ACTUALLY, UM, SUPPOSED TO FUNCTION AND HOW THE BODY CAN PULL THOSE ITEMS OFF. 
          WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE IN LINE EXCEPT FOR ITEMS WE SPECIFICALLY, UM, ENUMERATE WITH ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER. 
          AND IT'S PRETTY CLEAR IN TWO DIFFERENT SECTIONS THAT A MEMBER SHOULD BE ABLE TO INDIVIDUALLY, EVEN IF IT'S ONLY THE ONE MEMBER, PULL THAT ITEM OFF. 
          BUT IF YOU WOULD PLEASE SHARE WITH US HOW THAT WORKS. 
          BERT VANDENBERG FLIPPING THROUGH THE BOOK. 
          GIMME ONE SECOND. 
          SO I THINK WHAT MR. CHAIR, I BELIEVE THE COUNCIL MEMBER IS REFERRING TO THE SUSPENSION OF THE RULES AND ITS LIMITS REGARDING INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS' RIGHTS. 
          UM, THE INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS' RIGHTS INCLUDES MAKING A MOTION, ATTENDING THE MEETING, ET CETERA. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THE OTHER, I'M GUESSING THE OTHER SECTION IS PROBABLY ORDERS OF THE DAY, ORDERS OF BUSINESS. 
          UM, AND WHILE I WON'T REALLY GO INTO THAT ONE SO MUCH, I WILL SAY THIS, THAT THE RIGHTS OF THE INDIVIDUAL MEMBER, YOU CANNOT, THERE'S A LOT OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS YOU CAN'T TAKE AWAY. 
          HOWEVER, AS LONG AS IT IS NOT A BLANKET RULE THAT SAYS YOU CAN NEVER PULL AN ITEM AND INSTEAD SAYS YOU GIVE A SECOND, YOU HAVE A VOTE, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU'RE ACTUALLY INFRINGING ON THAT MEMBER'S RIGHTS TO DO IT. 
          YOU'RE, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO MAKE THE MOTION, WHICH IS THE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT. 
          ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE DIVIDING THE QUESTION. 
          AND I THINK, I MEAN THAT'S REALLY WHAT PULLING THE ITEM IS. 
          IT'S JUST YOU GUYS HAVE ALWAYS DONE IT THROUGH ACQUIESCENCE OR CONSENSUS. 
          UM, DID I GRAB THE TWO SECTIONS? NO, I'M ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT SECTION FOUR, THE IDEA OF UNANIMOUS CONSENT AND THAT A MEMBER SHOULDN'T BE FORCED TO VOTE ON ITEMS THAT THEY OBJECT TO. 
          AND BY PULLING THEM OFF A UNANIMOUS CONSENT AGENDA, THEY PRESERVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE THE MINORITY VOICE. 
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UH, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT WOULD LIKE A SECOND TO LOOK THAT RULE UP. 
          WELL, SO I'D ALSO POINT OUT SECTION 41 WITH HANDLING OF A MOTION WHERE IN THIS CASE IT'S TALKING ABOUT A CONSENT CALENDAR. 
          BUT IT'S AGAIN, THAT IF A MEMBER WISHES TO CONSIDER AN ITEM SEPARATELY, THAT THEY BE GRANTED THAT. 
          RIGHT? AND THE ENTIRE PREMISE OF PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE IS TO PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF THE MINORITY VOICE. 
          AND I'LL JUST SAY THAT WHEN I'M NOT HERE, THERE ARE MEMBERS WHO I TYPICALLY DO NOT VOTE WITH WHO WILL SAY YOU WERE MISSED BECAUSE WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY DEBATE SOME THINGS WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE. 
          SO IT MIGHT ANNOY YOU, I'M SORRY IF IT DOES, BUT IT IS ABSOLUTELY MY RIGHT AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS CITY TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS AND ASK THEM AS I WISH. 
          AND YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT AS WELL. 
          I I WISH YOU WOULD USE IT MORE BUR UM, WE'LL GIVE YOU SOME TIME TO, UNLESS YOU, YOU'RE READY, WE'LL COME BACK. 
          I THINK I, I ACTUALLY, I'LL JUST ANSWER AND SAY THAT WHILE I, I, THE MR CHAIR, WHILE THE COUNCIL MEMBER'S POINT IS WELL TAKEN, I STILL ESSENTIALLY BELIEVE IT IS DIVIDING THE QUESTION. 
          AND AS LONG AS YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO OBJECT AND MAKE THE MOTION, AS LONG AS THERE'S SOME WAY FOR YOUR RIGHTS TO BE PROTECTED, I'M SORRY, THE RIGHT TO MAKE A MOTION, THE MOTION TO PULL THE ITEM OFF. 
          AS LONG AS IT'S NOT, YOU ARE NEVER ALLOWED TO PULL AN ITEM OFF THE CONS. 
          IF A RULE IS ESTABLISHED THAT SAYS YOU CANNOT PULL ITEMS OFF AT THE MORNING OF WITHOUT A MOTION OR WITHOUT IN A CERTAIN VOTING THRESHOLD, YOU STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE THE MOTION AND TO GET THE SECOND, AND TO HAVE IT HAVE YOUR RIGHTS PROTECTED. 
          I BELIEVE THAT QUALIFIES. 
          'CAUSE THE BODY IS ALLOWED TO MAKE ITS OWN RULES. 
          I MEAN, LOOK AT WHAT FORT WORTH DOES WITH ONLY THE MAYOR BEING ALLOWED TO DO IT. 
          THERE ARE, THERE ARE RULES THAT ALLOW IT. 
          CHAIR JOHNSON. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          UM, LISTENING TO CHAIR MILDEN, I KIND OF CAN KIND OF UNDERSTAND HER WHY TO WHAT SHE DOES, RIGHT? UM, WHETHER SOME AGREE OR DISAGREE, UH, IS IRRELEVANT TO ME. 
          THAT'S HER WHY. 
          UH, I COME FROM SCHOOL BOARD AND FOR SIX YEARS WHAT WE DID WAS YOU HAVE TO GET A SECOND PERSON TO PULL THE ITEM WITH YOU. 
          UM, AND WE COULD NOT PULL AT LIKE IF THE, AT THE LAST MINUTE, WHAT WE CONSIDER LAST MINUTE IS LIKE THE NIGHT BEFORE. 
          SO, UM, WHAT WE DID WAS, IF MY MEMORY SERVED ME CORRECTLY, I THINK WE DID IT THE DAY BEFORE BY 2:00 PM IS THAT CORRECT? SO HAVING A MEETING EVERY WEEK WHEN I WAS USED TO A MEETING TWICE A MONTH, IT'S KIND OF, YEAH, IT'S KIND OF, UH, AND, AND THE REASON WHY, UM, AND IT USED TO BE THAT ONE SINGLE MEMBER CAN PULL, THERE WAS SOME OTHER POLITICAL STUFF THAT FROM WHEN I DID RESEARCH, THE REASON WHY THEY DID THAT, HOWEVER, UH, THE POSITIVE THING THAT CAME OUT OF THAT WAS, UH, YOU WAS ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOUR COLLEAGUES AND GET THEM TO SEE YOUR POINT AND PULL IT IN A, IN A CERTAIN TIME. 
          SO, UM, THE STAFF CAN EITHER SPEAK WITH YOU ABOUT IT OR YOU CAN STILL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. 
          I DO BELIEVE THAT EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL SHOULD BE ABLE TO DISCUSS AN ITEM, UH, NO MATTER WHAT. 
          OKAY? UH, THERE MAY BE SOMETHING I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT SOMEONE IS NOT PASSIONATE ABOUT, BUT AS BEING AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, THAT'S OUR RIGHT. 
          AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT THERE MAY BE SOMETHING THAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS RAISED, UH, BECAUSE THEY, THEY TOO LOOK AT THESE AGENDAS AND I MAY HAVE MISSED SOMETHING. 
          AND I DON'T THINK NO ONE IS PERFECT WHERE WE SEE EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME. 
          HOWEVER, WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE THAT'S WORKING ALONGSIDE WITH YOU IN THE COMMUNITY AND YOU, THEY'RE ABLE TO SEE, UH, SOMETHING OR ASK A QUESTION THAT I DIDN'T THINK OF THAT, THAT'S GREAT. 
          I, I CAN BE HONEST WITH YOU. 
          UH, IT'S BEEN A FEW TIMES, PROBABLY A LOT THAT I'VE TEXT CHAIR DELSON OR TALKED TO HER AND I'VE ASKED HER, I SAID, I DIDN'T SEE THAT QUESTION. 
          HOW DID YOU GET THAT QUESTION OUT OF THIS? UM, SO I, SO I LISTEN TO EVERYONE. 
          UH, I RESPECT EVERYONE'S OPINION, AND, AND THAT'S JUST ME BEING OPEN TO, UH, MY COLLEAGUES. 
          THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S JUST LEADERSHIP BECAUSE NO ONE HAS ALL THE ANSWERS, RIGHT? BUT, UH, I ONLY THING I WOULD SUGGEST IF THERE'S SUGGEST SUGGESTION, AND I KNOW I'M JUST ONE OUT OF MANY, UH, POSSIBLY LOOKING AT A TIMEFRAME, A TIMELINE WHERE WE CAN PULL IT SO IT, IT DOESN'T SEEM UNFAIR TO THE, IT DOESN'T SEEM UNFAIR TO THE ADMINISTRATION AND THEY'RE ABLE TO GET THE ANSWERS THAT WE'RE NEEDING, UM, 
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IN TIME SO WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S MY SUGGESTION. 
          BUT I DO FULLY UNDERSTAND, UH, CHAIR SEN'S POINT, ESPECIALLY IF SHE FEELS THE WAY SHE FEELS. 
          I, I'M NOT GONNA DEBATE HER FEELINGS. 
          SHE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO FEEL THE WAY SHE FEELS. 
          SHE KNOWS HOW SHE'S TREATED. 
          UM, SO I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT. 
          I CAN TELL YOU CHAIR DELSON, NO ONE FROM ADMINISTRATION HAS EVER CALLED ME TO DEBATE YOU. 
          UM, I WOULDN'T PLAY THOSE GAMES. 
          IF THEY DID, I WOULD CALL THE OUT PUBLICLY. 
          THAT'S JUST HOW I OPERATE. 
          UM, BUT NO ONE HAS EVER DID THAT TO ME. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW IF, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR NO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT NO ONE HAS EVER, EVER DID THAT TO ME. 
          AND I DO APPRECIATE THE TIMES, UH, WHERE THERE WERE SOME TIMES WHERE YOU DID ASK A QUESTION THAT I MISSED AND I, I WAS LISTENING TO THE DISCUSSION. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT MAKES US UNIQUE. 
          WE ARE DIFFERENT, BUT THE DIFFERENCES IS, IS WHAT MAKES THIS COUNCIL, IN MY OPINION, UNIQUE AND TO MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          GET THOSE TOUGH QUESTIONS ANSWERING. 
          BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. 
          UH, UH, CHAIR, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, CHAIR STEWART. 
          UM, SO THIS IS LISTED AS A DISCUSSION ITEM, ALSO AN ACTION ITEM. 
          I DON'T EXPECT AN ACTION ITEM TO COME OUT TODAY. 
          UH, WHAT I DO EXPECT IS FOR FOLKS TO GIVE SUGGESTIONS ON, UM, IF WE WANT TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO OUR RULES. 
          UM, ALONG THAT IS, CAN, UH, PROBABLY OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT COME DOWN AND EXPLAIN TO US, UM, HOW WE'RE ABLE TO, UH, CHANGE THIS RULE? AND THEN IF A RULE WERE TO BE IMPLEMENTED REQUIRING AN ITEM TO BE POOLED A DAY OR TWO DAYS PRIOR, UM, WHAT OTHER AVENUES DOES HIS COUNSEL HAVE TO SUSPEND THOSE RULES OR TO, UH, TAKE UP AN ITEM AFTER THE, UH, AFTER THE, AFTER THE UM, UH, AFTER THE DEADLINE HAS GONE? WE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES, UH, MATERIALS ARE NOT POSTED IN A TIMELY MANNER. 
          SOMETIMES, UH, WE GET AN INFLUX OF RIES OR CALLS, EMAILS FROM CONSTITUENTS ON A PARTICULAR, UH, AGENDA ITEM. 
          AND SO THE QUESTION AGAIN IS, UM, SHOULD WE ADOPT A DEADLINE? UH, WHAT AVENUES DOES THIS COUNSEL HAVE TO, UH, TO TAKE AN ITEM OFF CONSENT, UH, AFTER THE DEADLINE? ALRIGHT, MR. CHAIR, IF I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION YOU HAVE SET, IF, IF A RULE WAS IMPLEMENTED THAT WOULD REQUIRE, UH, SAY THE FRIDAY BEFORE FOR AN ITEM TO BE PULLED, UH, TO ALLOW STAFF OR THE TUESDAY BEFORE TO ALLOW STAFF TO HAVE TIME TO RESPOND, HOW WOULD AN ITEM GET PULLED THE NEXT DAY? UH, I THINK WHAT YOU WOULD DO IS YOU COULD DO IT TWO WAYS. 
          UH, SUSPEND THE RULE, WHICH WOULD BE A TWO THIRDS VOTE, OR IN THE RULE ITSELF, INCLUDE SOMETHING THAT SAYS A PERSON CAN PULL AN ITEM ON THE DAY OF, UH, WITH A, YOU KNOW, WITH A SECOND WHEN, WHATEVER THE VOTING THRESHOLD IS. 
          EIGHT MEMBERS, A MAJORITY, TWO THIRDS, UH, PROBABLY MAJORITY WOULD BE CLEANER. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S MORE CLOSER TO THE DIVISION OF THE QUESTION, BUT YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHAT OPPORTUNITY DO COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE DURING CONSENT ITEM TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM THAT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY SUPPORT OR, OR DO SUPPORT? UH, 5 3 1. 
          UH, I BELIEVE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE ENTIRE CONSENT AGENDA, AND IT'S, I BELIEVE IT FOLLOWS THE 5 3 1 FORMAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M GONNA NOW GO TO, UH, NON COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND I'LL START WITH, UH, DEPUTY MAYOR PROTON WILLIS, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS ON THE AGENDA. 
          I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WHEN I WAS CHAIR, WE HAD DISCUSSED INTERNALLY, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE COULD ARRIVE ON A PROCESS. 
          AND SO I'M GLAD, I MEAN, SO THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED FOR A WHILE, UM, AND SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN RAISED SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS. 
          UM, SO I SEE IT AS JUST A MATTER OF PROCESS. 
          UM, I THINK WE ARE 14, 15 DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO GO ABOUT OUR BUSINESS IN DIFFERENT WAYS AS FAR AS RESEARCH. 
          AND, UM, EVEN IF ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER OR CITY STAFF WOULD WANT TO WEIGH IN, IF THEY SAW THAT AN ITEM HAD BEEN PULLED, THAT'S OKAY. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'RE ROBOTS. 
          I THINK WE ARE NOT NECESSARILY JUST PROGRAMMABLE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF GATHERING OUR DATA POINTS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE GOOD DISCUSSIONS AND EXPLORE A TOPIC. 
          SO, UM, I, I LIKE HEARING FROM MY COLLEAGUE WHO SERVED ON THE, UH, SCHOOL BOARD ABOUT A PROCESS THAT SEEMED TO WORK. 
          AND SO I'D LOVE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, BUT I DO THINK HAVING SOME ADVANCED NOTICE, BUT IF SOMETHING COMES UP, YOU KNOW, THE DAY OF OR IN A TIGHTER TIMEFRAME, UH, I DO THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO HAVE A MECHANISM SO THAT WE CAN BE SURE THAT THERE IS A WAY OF A NEW PIECE OF INFORMATION COMES ABOUT, OR, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST GOOD BUSINESS, BUT IT MAY NEED TO BE THAT THERE'S, UM, MORE OF A MECHANISM WHERE YOU GET SOME SUPPORT FOR THAT AND SOME UNDERSTANDING, AND IT, YOU'RE NODDING YOUR HEAD. 
          SO IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE THAT WAS PART OF THE PROCESS. 
          SO I WOULD DEFINITELY 
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BE OPEN TO, UH, MAYBE USING THAT AS A TEMPLATE, UH, FROM THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BA. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, YES, I, UH, JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SOME OF THE THINGS I THINK HAVE ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED. 
          WE, WE WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO SUSPEND THE RULES AND DEPENDING ON IF THERE WAS LANGUAGE IN THE RULE, WE COULD PROVIDE SOME SORT OF, UH, MECHANISM. 
          HOWEVER, MS. MIDDLESTON, UM, UM, WAS ASKING SPECIFIC TO ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, AND IT, IT, IT, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE WHEN THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, ADOPTED RULES BY THE LOCAL BODY AND WHAT TAKES PRECEDENT ON, UM, THE STANDARDS SET BY ROBERT'S RULES AND HOW THAT CAN VARY FROM ADOPTED RULES ON THE, UH, GOVERNING BODY? I'M NOT SURE I GOT MR. CHAIR. 
          I'M NOT QUITE SURE I FOLLOWED THE ENTIRE QUESTION, BUT I WILL SAY THAT THE SPECIFIC RULES THAT A BODY ADOPTS WILL SUPERSEDE ROBERT'S RULES. 
          I KNOW YOU ASKED A BUNCH OF OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I THAT'S, THAT'S THE QUESTION. 
          THAT'S ESSENTIALLY IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S THE QUESTION. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, BECAUSE WE, WE, WE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING SPECIFICALLY ON ROBERT'S RULES WITH THAT BEING OUR BASELINE WHEN WE HAVE COUNSEL ADOPTED RULES OF PROCEDURE, AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT WHAT IS MOST EFFICIENT WITHIN OUR ORGANIZATION. 
          AND THAT'S, I THINK, WHY THIS IS BEING BROUGHT UP. 
          AND SO, MR. CHAIR, I, UH, IN NO WAY, I'LL SAY I AGREE. 
          I THINK WITH THE CONSENSUS, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, IN NO WAY THINK THAT THIS SHOULD PROHIBIT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL FROM, UH, PULLING AN ITEM FROM DOING THEIR JOB. 
          HOWEVER, AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, UH, WHO SERVES WITH SOMEONE WHO HAS DONE THAT, OFTEN IT IS US PLAYING CATCH UP AS WELL. 
          SOMETIMES WE WANT TO GET, UH, QUESTIONS ANSWERED FROM STAFF AND UNDERSTAND WHY THERE WOULD BE CONTENTION, WHY UNDERSTAND WHY THERE WOULD BE CONCERN ON CERTAIN ITEMS. SO NOT ONLY IS IT, IN MY OPINION, UH, INEFFICIENT, UH, USE OF STAFF'S TIME TO, UH, BE DRUG THROUGH, UH, UM, HAVING TO, TO FIGURE THINGS OUT ON THE FLY. 
          I THINK IT ALSO, UH, IT, IT EXACERBATES AN INEFFICIENCY OF US HAVING A MEETING AND CONDUCTING THE CITY'S BUSINESS. 
          AND, AND MANY TIMES WHEN THERE'S JUST A DIALOGUE IN EXCHANGE, IT'S, IT'S OFTEN CURIOUS. 
          I I THINK THAT MS. MENDELSSOHN ARTICULATED THAT IT WAS PURPOSEFUL, BUT, AND, AND WHICH IS HELPFUL. 
          I'M GLAD THAT YOU WERE VERY OPEN ABOUT THAT, BUT IT'S, IT'S ALMOST AS IF WHY SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS WEREN'T ASKED PRIOR TO, OR IS THIS JUST AN ATTEMPT TO GET A HEADLINE? AND THE REALITY IS, IS IF WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE EFFICIENCY OF OUR CITY BUSINESS, UM, THEN WE SHOULDN'T BE WASTING TIME TO GET THE HEADLINE. 
          WE SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON DOING THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY. 
          AND SO I DO BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, JUST IN, IN NORMAL PRACTICE, IF I HAVE A COLLEAGUE WHO IS, UH, CONCERNED ABOUT AN ITEM WHO HAS ISSUES ON AN ITEM WHO IS LOBBYING, UH, OTHER MEMBERS TO MAKE THEIR POINT, THAT USUALLY STARTS WAY AHEAD OF TIME. 
          AND IT'S NOT IN A SEARCH FOR A HEADLINE, IT'S IN SEARCH FOR A SOLUTION. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE US BE LOOKING FOR. 
          A POTENTIAL RULE IS HELPING US GET TO A SOLUTION. 
          UM, AND SO IN NO WAY IS THIS MEANT TO STIFLE VOICES. 
          IT'S REALLY AN EFFICIENCY EXERCISE. 
          AND, UH, IT, IT'S ALSO ABOUT RESPECT FOR STAFF'S TIME. 
          I, I BELIEVE THAT IT, IT OFTEN TURNS INTO A, UH, UH, A, A A A LEVEL OF SCRUTINIZING STAFF THAT IS, UH, BORDERLINE BERATING IN VIOLATION OF OUR OWN, UH, RULES OF PROCEDURE, UH, QUITE FRANKLY. 
          SO I, I THINK THAT THERE'S, UM, UH, UH, A, A PLACE FOR US TO LOOK AT A TIME. 
          UM, I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT ANY MORE BURDENSOME FOR ANYONE ON THE COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO PULL. 
          I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE, UH, A, A SECOND OR MULTIPLE SECONDS. 
          I THINK THAT IF IT'S DONE IN A TIMELY MANNER AND IT'S GIVEN, UM, THE, THE REST OF OUR COLLEAGUES AND STAFF THE ABILITY TO ADDRESS WHAT IS BEING, UH, UM, BROUGHT FORTH, THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR. 
          UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UH, MR. CHAIR, I KNOW IT WASN'T, UM, UH, UH, UH, WRITTEN IN THE AGENDA FOR, UH, TO TAKE UP, BUT ORIGINALLY WHEN WE STARTED TO TALK ABOUT THIS, IT WAS ALSO A CHECKS AND BALANCE ON BOTH SIDES. 
          WE NEED TO HAVE CONSISTENCY FROM THE STAFF SIDE AS WELL. 
          AND I, UH, BELIEVE THAT STAFF NEEDS TO HAVE A LEVEL OF CONSISTENCY WHEN IT COMES TO POSTING MATERIALS, FOR INSTANCE. 
          UM, UH, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, UH, WE, UH, END UP, UM, IN A SITUATION GOING INTO A MONDAY MORNING COMMITTEE MEETING, AND WE HAVEN'T HAD POSTED MATERIALS ONLINE. 
          AND THAT'S A PROBLEM. 
          AND SO I'M ASKING FOR THIS TO BE AN EXERCISE THAT WE LOOK AT EFFICIENCY, UH, RULES 
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TO CHANGE, BUT NOT AN ATTACK ON ANYONE. 
          IT'S AN ATTACK ON THE INEFFICIENCIES THAT HAVE OCCURRED. 
          AND IT'S NOT JUST ON OUR SIDE AS THE ELECTED BODY, IT'S ALSO ON STAFF SIDE. 
          AND I BELIEVE WE CAN BRING A LEVEL OF CONSISTENCY TO BOTH SIDES. 
          THAT'S NOT AN ATTACK, BUT ULTIMATELY GOING TO, UH, RESULT IN A MORE EFFICIENT RUN MEETING. 
          UM, I, I WOULD ASK THAT IF WE WERE LOOKING AT SUGGESTIONS, I WOULD PERSONALLY ASK THAT STAFF WOULD HAVE, UM, UH, MATERIALS FOR, UM, RESPECTIVE ITEMS POSTED ON FRIDAY SO THAT WE HAVE IT OVER THE WEEKEND BEFORE MONDAY MORNING. 
          AND THEN I WOULD ASK THAT, UH, I PERSONALLY WOULD ASK THAT MONDAY AT 2:00 PM NOT TUESDAY AT 2:00 PM WOULD BE, UH, THE DEADLINE FOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS TO PULL IF, IF 2:00 PM WAS IT. 
          BUT I WOULD THINK MONDAY WOULD BE THE DAY THAT I WOULD MORE PREFER THAN TUESDAY. 
          UH, FOR THE SIMPLE REASON OF GIVING STAFF AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND, UH, WE ARE GONNA HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          AND JUST TO THE NOTION THAT STAFF IS NEFARIOUSLY LOBBYING AND HAS THEIR OWN MOTIVE, I WILL ALSO SAY, UM, I, I DON'T THINK I'M GONNA SHOCK ANYBODY, AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE BY SAYING THIS WOULD SHOCK ANYBODY BY SAYING WE HAVE OUR OWN MIND. 
          UH, I, I DON'T, I DO NOT NEED STAFF TO TELL ME WHERE I'M SUPPOSED TO STAND ON AN ISSUE, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ANY ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES IS THAT SWAY ABLE, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEIR LEADERSHIP, UM, UH, WOULD ALLOW FOR THEM TO BE THAT SWAY ABLE, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ELECTED TO THIS BODY. 
          SO I WANT US TO HAVE AVENUES TO JUST DO THE JOB WE WERE ELECTED TO DO, BUT I WANT US TO DO IT IN A MORE EFFICIENT WAY AND US NOT CONTINUE TO EMBARRASS STAFF UNNECESSARILY, UH, AND WASTE TIME BECAUSE TIME IS MONEY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKMAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND, UH, I, I AGREE WITH A LOT THAT'S BEEN SAID HERE, UH, A MESSAGE BOARD, AND I WAS AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. 
          I WAS ON THE ADMINISTRATION SIDE WHEN I WORKED FOR MIKE MILES. 
          SO YES, BY MONDAY WE'D GO OVER THE FULL AGENDA BY THURSDAY MORNING, WE KNEW WHAT THE POOL WAS AND WE WOULD WORK TO GET YOU THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEEDED. 
          THAT WAS THE KEY THING. 
          THERE WAS NO LOBBYING GOING ON, AND THEN EVERYTHING OF COURSE, WAS OPEN. 
          IT WAS STILL THE MESSAGE BOARD. 
          DID THEY STILL POST EVERYTHING? BUT I MEAN, YOU CAN, WE CAN, BUT THE, THE I THE ITEM HERE IS NOT TO, IN MY OPINION, KEEP COUNCIL MEMBERS FROM DOING THEIR JOB OF PULLING ITEMS AND BEING ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IT. 
          IT'S ABOUT GIVING A TIME LIMIT AND A, SO BERT, YOU'VE BEEN HERE PROBABLY AS LONG AS I HAVE, OR BACK IN MY FORMER ITERATIONS. 
          I MEAN, THERE WAS A PRACTICE THAT BY FIVE O'CLOCK, THE POOLS WERE USUALLY INTO THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? BILLY RAY OR SOMEWHERE THEREABOUTS. 
          AND THEN STAFF WOULD HAVE A 24 HOUR TIMEFRAME IN WHICH TO WORK WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER TO GET IT ADDRESSED OR ANSWER THE QUESTIONS OR WHATEVER WAS NEEDED. 
          AND SO I'M TRYING TO CODIFY A PRACTICE THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN AWAY FROM, OR I'M HOPING THAT'S WHAT COULD HAPPEN. 
          SO CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THE PRACTICE HAD BEEN PREVIOUS? THANK YOU CA THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER AND CHAIR BILLY RAY JOHNSON, CITY SECRETARY. 
          SO THE, FOR FORMER MAYOR, UH, FORMER MAYOR, MIKE ROLLINS IS THE ONLY DOCUMENTED PROCESS THAT WE HAVE AND THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY FOLLOWING BACK IN 2013. 
          AND HE OUTLINED THE PROCESS THAT PULLED ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL, UM, UH, PULLED ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA WERE TO BE PULLED BY 3:00 PM UM, THE TUESDAY BEFORE THE SCHEDULED MEETING. 
          AND THAT INCLUDED ZONING ITEMS AS WELL. 
          AND IF THERE ARE ANY EXTENUATING ITEMS THAT, UM, OR THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER WANTED TO PULL AFTER THAT DEADLINE THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO CONTACT, UM, THE MAYOR DIRECTLY. 
          SO IT WAS 3:00 PM ON TUESDAY? CORRECT. 
          AND I THINK AT ONE POINT, I THINK MARY SUM HAD IT ONE TIME AT 5:00 PM ON MONDAY, I THINK A LONG TIME AGO WHEN IN 2007, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS IN 3:00 PM ON TUESDAYS FINE TOO. 
          BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE A TIME WHEN IT'S LIKE, OKAY, YOU'VE HAD, I MEAN, WE GET THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. 
          I MEAN, I'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH MINE AND MADE IT OFFICIAL PASS, AND I KEEP IT WITH ME IN MY BAG AND EVERY TIME I WRITE NOTES ON IT. 
          AND SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE GET, WE GET THIS 10 DAYS BEFORE. 
          AND SO I THINK AT 3:00 PM A MONDAY AT 5:00 PM A TUESDAY AT 9:00 PM A 3:00 PM ON TUESDAY, I THINK WHAT IT DOES IS IT HELPS STAFF PREPARE FOR THE NEXT DAY. 
          AND IF WE ARE WANTING TO CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PROFESSIONALS TO OPERATE, I THINK THAT'S A COURTESY IS THAT WE RESPECT YOUR TIME AND RESPECT YOUR, UH, ABILITY TO HELP US GET THROUGH WHATEVER QUESTIONS WE HAVE AND LET'S, AND SO LET'S GIVE THEM A TIMEFRAME IN WHICH TO MAKE FOR US TO SAY WE LIKE TO BRING THIS FORWARD, EITHER TO VOTE AGAINST IT, TO ASK QUESTIONS, OR TO AMEND IT. 
          AND THEN PUTTING IN AN A CLAUSE THAT ALLOWS FOR, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S AT FIVE O'CLOCK ON TUESDAY AND STAFF REALIZES THEY'VE MADE A MISTAKE AND THEY NEED TO PULL IT, THEN 
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IT BECOMES, OKAY, THERE'S A MOTION TO BE MADE A SECOND AND THEN A VOTE, AND THERE'S A PROCESS IN WHICH SOMETHING CAN HAPPEN. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. 
          SO HAVE THAT PROCESS. 
          I, I, THERE'S NO WAY THAT, UM, I WOULD EVER SUPPORT TAKING AWAY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A CM TO PULL SOMETHING THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS NOT, THAT'S A NO DEAL, BECAUSE THAT IS OUR RIGHT AS A ELECTED BODY AND REPRESENTING THE CONSTITUENTS THAT HAVE PUT US HERE. 
          AND, AND IT IS A POSSIBILITY TO VOTE AGAINST SOMETHING. 
          I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          BUT I DON'T WANT TO GET HERE AND KNOW THAT, OH WAIT, WE'VE GOT THIS SET OF ITEMS AND THEN WE GET HERE AT NINE O'CLOCK AND THERE'S ANOTHER SET OF ITEMS. I JUST THINK THAT'S NOT FAIR TO THE PUBLIC, IT'S NOT FAIR TO STAFF AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO US. 
          AND SO IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO, YOU KNOW, CREATE PROCESSES AND, UH, EXPECTATIONS, THEN I THINK THAT WE CAN BECOME BETTER AT DOING OUR BUSINESS, OR THAT'S THE HOPES THAT WE CAN BETTER. 
          SO, UM, THAT, THAT'S ALL THAT I, I HAD IS TO JUST REALLY CODIFY WHAT'S IN PRA BEEN IN PRACTICE. 
          AND IT CAN BE IN VARIOUS LEVELS. 
          I'M NOT MARRIED TO ANYBODY, ANY, I'M MARRIED TO ONE PERSON, BUT I'M NOT MARRIED TO ANY ONE TIME OR ONE DAY. 
          BUT WHAT I WOULD LOVE IS TO HAVE IT KNOWN THAT THIS IS, THIS IS THAT DAY, THIS IS THE TIME AND THE DAY THAT THIS HAPPENS AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS THEN FOLLOWS A DIFFERENT PROCESS IN WHICH TO ADDRESS IT INDIVIDUALLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, CHAIR RIDLEY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          I AM STILL UNCLEAR ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE FOR HERE. 
          I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY CLEAR ARTICULATION OF WHAT THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE CURRENT SYSTEM. 
          I TEND TO DISAGREE WITH THE NOTION THAT WE CAN PROTECT MINORITY RIGHTS BY, UH, REQUIRING A VOTE OF THE FULL COUNCIL ON WHETHER WE SHOULD PULL AN ITEM THAT'S NOT PROTECTING MINORITY RIGHTS BECAUSE THE MAJORITY CAN STIFLE THAT BY VOTING AGAINST POLL A CONSENT ITEM. 
          AND I THINK THAT THE ABILITY OF ONE MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL TO PULL AN ITEM FOR DISCUSSION IS CRITICAL TO THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. 
          THERE ARE TWO BASIC REASONS FOR PULLING AN ITEM. 
          ONE IS TO GET MORE INFORMATION BY QUESTIONING STAFF. 
          THOSE MANY TIMES CAN BE ANSWERED AHEAD OF TIME UPON A TIMELY REVIEW OF THE THE AGENDA. 
          I TRY TO DO THAT. 
          BUT THE SECOND REASON FOR PULLING AN ITEM IS BECAUSE YOU WANNA DEBATE IT. 
          AND IF IT'S STUCK ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, NO MATTER HOW MUCH INFORMATION YOU HAVE, IF YOU CAN'T DEBATE THAT WITH YOUR COLLEAGUES, THEN THAT I THINK IS DEFEATING THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MAY COME UP AT THE LAST MINUTE. 
          IT MAY COME UP AS THE RESULT OF AN INQUIRY OR A COMMENT FROM A CONSTITUENT. 
          AND THAT CAN'T ALWAYS BE PREDICTED BECAUSE MANY TIMES THOSE CAN COME IN AT THE LAST MINUTE. 
          SO I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD SUBJECT THE CON THE CONSENT REMOVAL PROCESS TO A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COUNCIL. 
          I THINK THAT WE SHOULD PRESERVE THE RIGHT OF AN INDIVIDUAL MEMBER TO POLAND ITEM. 
          AND I WOULD BE PRETTY LIBERAL ABOUT PUTTING ANY TIME LIMITS ON THAT ABILITY. 
          UH, PERHAPS IF YOU WISH TO IMPOSE A FIVE O'CLOCK OR THREE O'CLOCK THE PRIOR DAY, UH, DEADLINE, THAT THAT CAN BE OVERCOME BY HAVING SOMEONE SECOND THE POLL FROM THE HORSESHOE, THE DAY OF THE EVENT. 
          THAT DOESN'T PUT AN UNDUE BURDEN ON THE, THE ABILITY TO PULL AN ITEM. 
          UH, BUT FRANKLY, I'M GENERALLY SATISFIED WITH THE CURRENT SYSTEM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, CHAIRMAN MIDDLETON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT MADE OF HOW THE, UM, DRAFT AGENDA IS SHARED WITH US IN ADVANCE, AND IT IS, HOWEVER, THE BACKUP IS NOT, AND THE BACKUP ISN'T PUT OUT THERE UNTIL THE FRIDAY NIGHT, USUALLY BEFORE THE WEDNESDAY MEETING. 
          SO WHILE THERE MAY BE AN ITEM THAT I'M LIKE, WELL, WHAT'S THAT ALL ABOUT? AND MAYBE I'LL MAKE A CALL. 
          I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE QUESTIONS THAT I ASK PEOPLE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. 
          UM, THE ACTUAL MATERIALS THAT I WANNA READ AREN'T AVAILABLE UNTIL LATE FRIDAY AND THEN SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, EACH OF US HAS OUR OWN DAY OF FAITH ON THAT DAY. 
          SO THAT GIVES YOU A WEEKEND DAY AND THEN YOU'RE ASKING POSSIBLY FOR A MONDAY, 2:00 PM MANY OF US HAVE A MONDAY 9:00 AM COMMITTEE MEETING. 
          YOU REALLY HAVEN'T HAD THE TIME TO GO THROUGH AND ACTUALLY READ THE MATERIALS. 
          AND THERE'S A FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER WHO USED TO SAY TO ME, I DON'T READ THE AGENDA. 
          I JUST LOOK AND SEE WHAT YOU'VE PULLED. 
          AND THOSE ARE THE ITEMS I READ. 
          WELL, , IT'S 
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, I, UM, IT'S, IT'S A VERY LONG AGENDA. 
          I MEAN, A LOT OF OUR WEDNESDAY AGENDAS ARE 1400 PAGES AND I UNDERSTAND BEING ABLE TO SKIM OR SKIP THROUGH PARTS OF IT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT AND I READ AND THEN I HAVE QUESTIONS THAT I DON'T THINK ARE JUST FOR ME TO RECEIVE THE ANSWER. 
          THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC SHOULD KNOW. 
          THERE'S SO, SO THAT'S ONE THING. 
          SO WHEN IT'S POSTED, WELL MAYBE WE NEED TO ASK THE CITY TO POST IT SOONER. 
          IF THEY HAVE THAT AGENDA TWO WEEKS IN ADVANCE, WHY AREN'T THEY POSTING IT PUBLICLY WITH THE BACKUP? AND THAT WOULD MAKE THINGS VERY DIFFERENT. 
          VERY, VERY DIFFERENT. 
          FIRST OF ALL, IT WOULD GIVE THE PUBLIC MORE TIME TO READ THE AGENDA. 
          IT WOULD GIVE US MORE TIME AND I GUARANTEE I WOULD PULL A LOT LESS THINGS IF THAT WAS HAPPENING. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WHILE I HAVE SAID, YOU KNOW, I DO FEEL LIKE THIS IS FOCUSED ON ME. 
          I'M NOT THE ONLY PERSON WHO PULLS A LOT OF ITEMS AND, UH, AND THANK YOU FOR ACKNOWLEDGING THAT. 
          UM, BUT I'M JUST GONNA SAY WE COULD GET RID OF A LOT OF THAT IF WE ASKED THE STAFF TO GO AHEAD IN THEIR AGENDA MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, YOU PUT THAT BACKUP, WHICH WAS REQUIRED FOR THEM TO EVEN PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA. 
          BUT I THINK WE ARE PURPOSELY NOT GETTING THAT INFORMATION SO THAT WE DON'T READ IT SO THAT YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND VOTE WHAT IS PUT FORWARD BY THE MANAGER. 
          THE SECOND THING IS WHAT GOES ON CONSENT AGENDA. 
          THERE ARE THINGS THAT GO ON A CONSENT AGENDA THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY NOT FITTING THE DEFINITION AS STATED BY A ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER OR ANY BASIC THING. 
          AND I'M GONNA GIVE YOU ONE THAT IS THE TREE INVENTORY FOR $6.3 MILLION. 
          THAT IS NOT A REGULAR, LET'S BUY CHLORINE FOR THE WATER SYSTEM KIND OF ITEM. 
          THAT IS A POLICY, BIG DOLLAR TICKET ITEM THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED INDIVIDUALLY AND IT WASN'T. 
          AND WE REGULARLY HAVE ITEMS THAT ARE NOT, UM, APPROPRIATE IN MY OPINION. 
          IT'S NOT MY PLACE TO DECIDE THAT, BUT THEY DON'T BELONG ON A CONSENT AGENDA AND THEN THEY GET PULLED OFF SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND DEBATE. 
          SO AGAIN, AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT CHANGES TO THIS, I THINK IT ALSO DOES NEED TO INCLUDE WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE STAFF TO DO BOTH EARLIER WITH THE MATERIALS THAT ARE INCLUDED WITH IT, AND ALSO TO ACTUALLY HAVE SOME SORT OF TEST ON WHAT GOES ON A CONSENT AGENDA. 
          SO, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON, YOU SAID THAT YOU'VE NEVER BEEN GIVEN TALKING POINTS TO DEBATE SOMETHING. 
          WELL, I'LL TELL YOU, I'VE EVEN BEEN GIVEN THEM TO DEBATE OTHER PEOPLE ON THIS COUNCIL. 
          SO I KNOW THAT HAPPENS. 
          I HAVE SAT THERE AND WATCHED PEOPLE WHO SIT NEAR ME GET THE TALKING POINTS FROM CITY MANAGEMENT. 
          SO I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THAT HAPPENS. 
          UM, YOUR TIME WILL COME, I'M SURE . 
          UM, THE NEXT THING I'M GONNA SAY IS IF YOU WANNA MAKE A, AN EARLIER TIME, WHETHER THAT'S THREE O'CLOCK TUESDAY AS PREVIOUS OR SOMETHING, THAT'S FINE. 
          UM, I WOULD AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY, THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVING A SECOND, THAT'S FINE AS WELL. 
          BUT WHEN YOU START SAYING THAT YOU NEED TO SUSPEND A RULE AND HAVE TWO THIRDS OF THE BODY, 10 PEOPLE, I DON'T AGREE AT ALL WHEN YOU SAY THAT, UM, YOU NEED A SECOND AND THEN A MAJORITY VOTE. 
          I ALSO DON'T AGREE BECAUSE A BLOCK OF EIGHT PEOPLE, WHICH I HAVE SERVED ON THIS COUNCIL WHEN THERE'S BEEN A BLOCK OF EIGHT PEOPLE AND ANYTHING THAT THEY WANTED, THEY COULD GET AND THEY REGULARLY DID, AND THAT ABSOLUTELY GOES IN THE FACE OF PROTECTING THE MINORITY, RIGHT? TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION OR TO NOT VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT MAYBE THEY LEARN NEW INFORMATION ABOUT. 
          SO, UM, I DEFINITELY FEEL LIKE HAVING A SECOND, I'M, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT ACTUALLY. 
          BUT ASKING THEN FOR A VOTE OF THE COUNCIL, I THINK IS ABOVE. 
          UM, AND WE'VE EVEN SEEN IT WHEN VERY SIGNIFICANT ITEMS, AND I'LL THINK OF THE CONVENTION CENTER WHILE WE WERE HAVING A DEBATE. 
          THE DEBATE WAS CUT OFF FOR A MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR PROJECT. 
          DEBATE WAS CUT OFF AND THE QUESTION WAS CALLED, SO THE INTEREST IN CUTTING OFF DEBATE BECAUSE THEY ALREADY FEEL THERE'S A MAJORITY IS THERE. 
          AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHY TO PROTECT THAT MINORITY, RIGHT? YOU MUST DO, I BELIEVE IT MUST BE DONE. 
          UM, THOSE ARE ALL MY NOTES. 
          I, LET ME SEE. 
          WAIT, I HAVE ONE MORE. 
          UM, 
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THE, THE, THE REASON, THE REASON YOU CANNOT ASK THE BODY TO VOTE TO SUSPEND THE RULES LIKE THIS IS BECAUSE THEY WILL THEN NOT BE VOTING ON SHOULD WE ALLOW THIS, RIGHT? THEY'LL BE VOTING ON THE ACTUAL ITEM BEFORE THE ITEM IS EVEN CONSIDERED. 
          AND, AND SO PULLING IT OUT LIKE THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IF YOU WANT TO ALLOW OTHER VOICES TO BE HEARD. 
          SO THAT'S MY INPUT. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR STEWART. 
          UM, EXCUSE ME, I AM CONFUSED THAT, UM, AND MAYBE THAT WAS SOMETHING BUR YOU WERE READING TO US. 
          I WE'RE GONNA BLAME IT ON YOU. 
          HAS THAT BUT MY CONFUSION? NO, I'M JUST TEASING. 
          UM, THERE WAS, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE IDEA CAME ABOUT, UH, THAT THE, UM, IT WOULD TAKE A MAJORITY OR TWO THIRDS OF COUNSEL TO PULL AN ITEM. 
          UH, I DON'T, I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF THAT. 
          I DON'T THINK MANY OF US WOULD SUSPEND THE RULES, WOULD TAKE TWO THIRDS OR TO SUSPEND THE RULES, DID THE DAY OF, HE'S SAYING THAT IT WOULD BE A MAJORITY VOTE TO ALLOW YOU TO PULL. 
          BUT ARE WE SUSPENDING THE RULES IF WE MAKE A NEW PROCEDURAL RULE ABOUT WHAT DAY, UM, WHAT THE, WHAT THE DEADLINE IS FOR PULLING AN ITEM? IS THAT, I THINK I'M JUST, IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY, MR. CHAIR IN CASE, IN CASE I MISSPOKE, UH, IT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING WHEN I FIRST GOT UP HERE. 
          UM, THE FIRST ANSWER I GAVE WAS, IF A RULE WAS ADOPTED THAT REQUIRED, THEY GAVE A DEADLINE, SAY TUESDAY AT FIVE, AND THEN THE MORNING OF SOMEONE WANTED TO, TO PULL AN ITEM ON THAT MORNING ON THE WEDNESDAY MORNING, UM, YOU COULD DO IT. 
          THE, THE SORT OF, THE CLUMSIER WAY TO DO IT WOULD BE TO MAKE IT A SUSPENSION OF THAT RULE AND THEN THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO PULL THE ITEM PAST THE DEADLINE. 
          OKAY? THE OTHER WAY TO DO IT WOULD BE TO, UH, IMPLEMENT THE RULE WITH SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, SECOND SENTENCE THAT SAYS, HOWEVER, ON THE MORNING OF THE COUNCIL AN ITEM COULD BE PULLED. 
          AND WHETHER IT WAS A MAJORITY VOTE, WHICH IS SORT OF TYPICAL FOR A, SAY, A DIVISION OF THE QUESTION, OR YOU GUYS HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO IT EVEN WITH A, A SECOND OR WITH A WHATEVER VOTE. 
          YOU GUYS ARE THE GOVERNING BODY. 
          AND SO IF I MADE IT CONFUSING, I APOLOGIZE. 
          OKAY, SO IF WE, WE COULD POTENTIALLY SET A RULE THAT SAYS BY NOON ON TUESDAY, ALL CONSENT ITEMS NEED TO BE, OR ALL PULLED CONSENT ITEMS NEED TO BE IDENTIFIED. 
          AND THEN WE COULD SAY, IF SOMETHING CAME UP MORNING OF YOU'VE GOT SOME NEW INFORMATION, ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S A FIRE DRILL. 
          UM, THAT WOULD TAKE A MAJORITY VOTE AT THAT POINT TO PULL THE ITEM ANYWHERE AFTER, SAY, NOON ON TUESDAY. 
          I'M MAKING THAT UP. 
          YOU GUYS COULD IMPLEMENT THAT RULE. 
          AND WHO KNOWS IF SOMEONE USED THEIR 5 3 1 JUST TO TALK ABOUT THE ITEM, THEY COULD THEN MAKE THAT MOTION AND PERHAPS THEY WOULD'VE HAD ENOUGH PEOPLE, UH, WANNA RESPOND TO THAT. 
          UM, IF I COULD, MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD CORRECT ONE THING, I THINK, UH, ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSSOHN SAID THE, UH, AGENDA IS NOT OUT UNTIL FRIDAY AFTERNOON. 
          IT WHAT THE NEW RULE SHOULD BE THURSDAY AFTERNOON. 
          SO IF IT'S FRIDAY AFTERNOON, WE, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT PROBLEM. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR OUT THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ONE OTHER POINT THAT I THINK IS VALID, AND THAT IS POTENTIALLY MOVING THE, THE POSTING OF THE AGENDA EVEN POTENTIALLY EARLIER THAN THURSDAY, AND ENCOURAGING STAFF TO GET THE, UM, THE ATTACHMENTS, THE POWERPOINTS, THE, THE MEMOS, WHATEVER THAT, OR THE RESOLUTIONS, WHATEVER THOSE, WHATEVER THE BACKUP IS FOR THOSE ITEMS WE'RE VOTING ON. 
          UM, WE, HAVING THAT EARLIER WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL, I THINK, TO ALL OF US BECAUSE WE'RE, IT'S, AS I HAVE EXPLAINED IN MY NEWSLETTER, THIS IS A, A VERY FULL-TIME JOB AND CAN BE CERTAINLY MORE THAN THAT AT TIMES. 
          UM, SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF SETTING A DEADLINE. 
          SOME, SOME HOUR ON TUESDAY. 
          IT SEEMS TO ME NOON JUST KIND OF JUMPS OUT AT ME. 
          UM, THAT GIVES A STAFF PERSON, YOU KNOW, HALF OF A WORKDAY TO WORK ON WHAT THEIR RESPONSE WILL BE, OR FINDING THE INFORMATION THAT, THAT WILL BE NEEDED ON WEDNESDAY MORNING. 
          UM, AND THEN I WOULD, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS CAN COME, IT PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT CAN COME OUTTA THIS COMMITTEE OR NOT, BUT I WOULD ALSO THEN ASK THAT THE COUNCIL MOVE SOME OF OUR DATES FOR GETTING AGENDA ITEMS AND THE BACKUP FOR AGENDA TO AN EARLIER DATE. 
          AND I THINK TWO WEEKS IS PROBABLY TOO SOON. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW THAT, UM, THAT THEY'LL HAVE ALL OF THAT TOGETHER. 
          SO IF, IF A WEEK WOULD WORK, THAT WOULD BE GREAT, BUT THAT COULD BE, WE COULD HAVE A CITY HALL FULL OF EMPLOYEES RIGHT NOW GOING, NO, PLEASE DON'T DO THAT. 
          UH, BUT EVEN SAY THE WEDNESDAY BEFORE, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVING US A FULL WEEK 
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BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING, THAT MIGHT BE LOGICAL AS OPPOSED TO FRIDAY, SUPPOSEDLY THURSDAY. 
          UM, SO I, I'M, I'M JUST, WE'RE, I MEAN, AWFULLY CASUAL IN MY SPEECH TODAY, BUT, UM, BUT I THINK WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE ISSUES HERE. 
          AND, UM, AND THEN I DO THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE EMERGENCY ITEM, THE DAY OF MOURNING WHAT YOU DO THERE. 
          UM, I HAVE SEEN THAT HAPPEN A FEW TIMES, AND YOU'D GET A CONSTITUENT, A SOMETHING, SOME NEW PIECE OF INFORMATION HAS COME TO LIGHT AND YOU, AND YOU NEED THE FLEXIBILITY THAT MORNING, WHETHER IT'S GETTING A SECOND OR TWO SECONDS, WHATEVER THAT IS. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE MAJORITY FEELS LIKE A HIGH BAR, UM, IF WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO PROTECT THAT MINORITY VOICE. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'VE COME OUT. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR, CHAIR JOHNSON. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          UH, WHAT, UH, COUNCILWOMAN, UM, BLACKMAN WAS, UH, SAYING WE, WELL, WE DID, 'CAUSE STARTING TO REMEMBER, UH, WE HAD TRUSTEE TRACKERS. 
          UH, SO WHAT A TRUSTEE TRACKER IS, WHATEVER QUESTION WE HAD ABOUT AN AGENDA ITEM, WE PUT IT IN THE TRACKER, AND IT WAS ONLY FOR THE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND ADMINISTRATION THAT WAS, UH, GOING TO ANSWER IF THAT DEPARTMENT COULD ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS FOR US. 
          AND EVERYONE SAW WHAT, WHAT, WHAT QUESTIONS YOU ASKED AND THE TRUSTEE TRACKER, AND THEY ALSO GOT THE ANSWER, SAW THE ANSWERS THAT WAS REPLIED TO. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER THAT. 
          UH, SO THAT WOULD BE CALLED MAYBE A COUNCIL TRACKER. 
          UM, THE TRACKER IS OPEN AT ALL TIMES, SO IT NEVER SHUTS DOWN. 
          SO YOU, YOU CAN GO IN THERE AT ANY TIME AND ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT ANY AGENDA ITEM. 
          UH, YOU ALSO, ON THE BRIEFING, UH, OUR BRIEFING WAS WE MEET ON THE THURSDAY, THEN THE NEXT WAS TWO WEEKS LATER. 
          SO WITHIN THAT, THAT TIMEFRAME, UM, YOU ARE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION THAT WAS ON THE BRIEFING. 
          I KNOW WE MEET EVERY WEEK, SO, UH, THOSE QUESTIONS WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO BE ANSWERED. 
          UH, I, I THINK I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID, AND WE DID THIS TOO, UH, BY FRIDAY, UM, FRIDAY BY 3:00 PM UH, WITH OUR BRIEFINGS, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE HAVE, UH, WE HERE WE HAVE MORE MEETINGS, UH, COMMITTEE MEETINGS. 
          THOSE ANSWERS, THOSE QUESTIONS AND AGENDAS ARE ALREADY OUT AT 3:00 PM AS WHAT COUNCILMAN BAZAR WAS SUGGESTING, TO GIVE EVERYONE AMP ENOUGH TIME TO READ OVER IT, STUTTER IT, STUDY IT, AND THEN ABLE TO ASK YOUR QUESTIONS MAYBE IN THE TRACKER. 
          UH, IF THOSE QUESTIONS ARE NOT ANSWERED, THEN OF COURSE WE STILL WERE ABLE TO ANSWER 'EM PUBLICLY, EVEN IF THEY WEREN'T ANSWERED, BECAUSE WE MAY WANT ONE QUESTION LEADS TO ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE DID, UH, AND I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. 
          NOW, LISTENING TO CHAIR MILDEN, UH, I DON'T THINK TWO THIRDS OF THE VOTES ARE NECESSARY, BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S MAYBE PASSED THE DEADLINE, UH, AFTER I, I WOULD SAY 2:00 PM WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST OR RECOMMEND OR THOUGHT, HOWEVER YOU WANNA SAY IT, IS THAT IF YOU NEED SOMETHING OUT THE DEADLINE, THEN YOU GET A SECOND TO, TO PULL IT WITH YOU. 
          THAT WAY YOU, YOU ARE IN CONVERSATION, MAYBE TWO OR THREE PEOPLE THAT WAY IN CONVERSATION. 
          SO, UM, THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY HAVE THE AGREEMENT WITH YOU OR WITH SUPPORT WHY YOU ARE PUTTING IT. 
          THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DIALOGUE WITH YOUR COLLEAGUES. 
          AND SO THAT TO ME, I, I WILL SUPPORT THAT. 
          UM, AND IT BRINGS MORE ATTENTION TO AN AGENDA ITEM. 
          SO CHAIR, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I, I WAS AWARDED. 
          I WAS, I WAS THE POLICY CHAIR FOR FOUR YEARS, UH, FOR THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES. 
          SO I WAS BIG ON STUDYING THOSE KIND OF THINGS AND, AND KIND OF BRINGING SUGGESTIONS, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS ACTUALLY A, UH, WORKING, UH, A SYNERGY WHEN WE DID THINGS LIKE THIS. 
          UH, SO WHICHEVER WAY IS OPEN, I'M, I'M, I'M GAME FOR WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO DO AS THE COUNCIL FOR COUNCIL, BUT I DO AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN BUA THAT THERE DOES NEED TO BE A TIMELINE FOR US TO GET THE INFORMATION. 
          I WOULD SUGGEST FRIDAY BY 3:00 PM SOME MAY SAY FIVE TO BE FAIR, BUT I WOULD SAY 3:00 PM UH, SO THAT WE HAVE TIME TO, UH, GO OVER THE AGENDA. 
          THAT'S JUST NOT WITH BRIEFING, UH, BECAUSE I JUST, I DISCOVERED THAT WE ARE NOT BRIEFED ON EVERY ITEM THAT COMES TO THE AGENDA. 
          I'M USED TO BEING BRIEFED ON EVERY ITEM THAT COMES TO THE AGENDA. 
          I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO BE BRIEFED ON EVERY ITEM THAT COMES TO THE AGENDA. 
          UM, BUT DEFINITELY FOR OUR COMMITTEE MEETINGS, HAVE THOSE INFORMATIONS GET TO US AT A CERTAIN TIME, UM, AND THEN GO, GO FROM THERE. 
          BUT I KNOW THE CITY MANAGER HAS SOME, UH, PREVIEW AND, AND, AND, UM, AND HOW SHE DOES AND HOW THE ADMINISTRATION DOES IT WHEN IT COMES TO BRIEFING. 
          UH, SO I, I'LL AGAIN, I I'LL RESPECT HER OFFICE. 
          I RESPECT OUR COLLEAGUES, SO WHATEVER WE DECIDE AS A COUNCIL, DEFINITELY I'M SUPPORTIVE. 
          BUT HERE'S JUST MY SUGGESTIONS. 
          IF YOU GUYS WANNA JUST, AND THAT'S JUST FROM MY EXPERIENCE AS, UM, ELECTED OFFICIAL FROM A DIFFERENT BODY. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN RICKA DINNER. 
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I THINK IN LISTENING TO EVERYBODY, I THINK, I FEEL LIKE BEFORE WE MAKE CHANGES THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE OFFERED SUGGESTIONS THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE A RULE CHANGE, UM, IN EIGHT YEARS, UM, JUST HAVING BEEN AROUND HERE, UM, IT, I GUESS NOW THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M A COUNCIL MEMBER, LIKE I DO SEE WHERE, UM, ITEMS ARE POSTED LATE, LIKE I'M CHECKING TO SEE WHEN THE ITEMS ARE POSTED. 
          UM, THERE'S ITEMS IN MY DISTRICT I DON'T GET BRIEFED ABOUT, AND I HAVE GOT THE TALKING POINTS. 
          MAYBE IF YOU'RE GETTING TALKING POINTS ON AN ITEM, THAT'S IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE BRIEFED, OR MAYBE STAFF NEEDS TO REACH OUT TO YOU AHEAD OF TIME AND, AND TALK TO YOU. 
          I KNOW WE CAN DO THAT. 
          I CAN ALWAYS DO A BETTER JOB OF ALSO REACHING OUT ABOUT AGENDA ITEMS. I KNOW THERE WAS AN ITEM I HAD A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, AND I WAS GOING BACK AND FORTH TRYING TO EVEN MEET WITH STAFF, UM, ABOUT IT. 
          AND IT WAS A, IT WAS A PRETTY BIG THING, AT LEAST FOR ME. 
          UM, SO I, I KIND OF HESITATE IN TAKING AWAY ANYTHING THAT HELPS US ADVOCATE FOR OUR RESIDENTS IN MAKING IT HARDER TO DO THAT WHEN IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS THAT WOULD BE EASY TO DO, UM, JUST WITH BASIC COURTESY AND PROTOCOL, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SEE HOW THAT WORKS. 
          UM, BEFORE WE GO AMOUNT ABOUT MAKING SOME, YOU KNOW, REALLY BIG CHANGES, I, I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF THE MESSAGE BOARD. 
          I THINK THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE IN STAFF CAN BE PREPARED AND WE CAN ASK THE QUESTIONS IN ADVANCE, AND THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT WAITING TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHICH DE THAT WAY THE DEPARTMENT KNOWS WHO NEEDS TO BE THERE. 
          UM, SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING, UM, THAT COULD ENHANCE THE EXPERIENCE. 
          SO IF THERE'S ANY TOOLS THAT CAN MAYBE MAKE THAT COMMUNICATION BETTER, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO INVEST IN. 
          BUT AGAIN, MAKING IT HARDER TO ADVOCATE FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS. 
          I DON'T REALLY, AND I FEEL LIKE THIS MIGHT DO THAT, UM, BUT THERE COULD BE JUST SOME BASIC THINGS WE CAN DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MADAM CITY SECRETARY, UH, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THE, UH, PRIOR ADMINISTRATION UNDER MAYOR RAWLINGS, THERE WAS A, WAS IT A RULE THAT ITEMS HAD TO BE PULLED OR NO RULE, NO RULE. 
          IT WAS JUST RIGHT. 
          IT WAS JUST PRACTICE RULE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, AFTER HEARING, UH, SOME COMMENTS AND REMARKS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, FROM THE CITY, UH, MANAGER'S OFFICE, UM, AND I'M SURE YOU'LL HAVE TO CONSULT WITH, UH, OUR CITY MANAGER, UH, BUT RIGHT NOW, UM, AS WE'VE HEARD, THERE'S SOMETIMES MATERIALS THAT'S NOT, UH, AVAILABLE, UM, WHEN THE, THE AGENDA GETS POSTED. 
          UM, AND SO MAKING SURE THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE, ARE AVAILABLE. 
          AND SO MAYBE WHAT WE'LL DO AT THE NEXT, UH, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE AD HOC MEETING IS INCLUDE THAT AS AN, UH, AGENDA ITEM, UH, TO ALLOW HER TO COME DOWN, UM, AND, UH, ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, UH, CHAIR, UH, JOHNSON AND, UH, CHAIR, UH, STEWART, THANK YOU FOR OUTLINING, UM, UH, A GOOD STARTING POINT. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S CREATING A, A DEADLINE, WHETHER THAT'S A TUESDAY, UH, I'M SORRY, THE TUESDAY OR THE MONDAY, UH, WE'LL GET, UH, TO WHAT THAT DATE IS. 
          UH, BUT I THINK THAT'S A GOOD STARTING POINT. 
          UM, AS FAR I WOULD, I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE A RULE BUILT INTO, UM, INTO THAT RULE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO SUSPEND THE RULES ON THE FLOOR. 
          UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT A, A THRESHOLD OF, OF EIGHT IS, IS TOO HIGH. 
          UM, AND SO WHETHER THAT'S A, A ONE SECOND OR TWO SECONDS OR, OR EVEN FIVE, UM, I, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT. 
          UH, AND SO AS WE GO INTO THIS NEXT ROUND, IF YOU CAN, UH, MAYBE NARROW DOWN A LITTLE BIT ON THE DEADLINES THAT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AND WHETHER THAT'S A MAJORITY OR THAT'S SIMPLY SUSPENDING THE RULES, UM, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE MORE DIRECTION, UH, FOR THE NEXT MEETING WITH THAT, UH, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIS, I DON'T HAVE A FOLLOW UP COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          BASIL, DO THANK YOU. 
          I WOULD, UM, I WOULD SUPPORT WHAT, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART MENTIONED, UH, OR SUGGESTED ON NOON ON, ON TUESDAY. 
          I REALLY AM, AM OPEN TO, UH, WHERE THERE'S A CONSENSUS, BUT I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE US NOT TO HAVE IT AT THE END OF THE BUSINESS DAY ON TUESDAY, UM, FOR THE, FOR THE REASONS WE'VE ALREADY STATED. 
          UM, BUT I, I WOULD HOPE THAT STAFF WOULD NOT HAVE TO SPEND ALL OF AN EVENING BEFORE OUR MARATHON MEETINGS ON WEDNESDAY. 
          UH, JUST TRYING TO REACH OUT TO PEOPLE. 
          YES. 
          UM, NOW AS FAR AS SUSPENDING THE RULES, YOU KNOW, I, I, I ABSOLUTELY KNOW THAT THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT, UM, THAT COME UP, THAT COME UP THAT WOULD, UH, REQUIRE US TO PULL IT AFTER THAT. 
          AND, AND IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, 
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JUST LIKE IN MY OPINION, WHAT IS SHOULD BE A GOOD PRACTICE, EVEN IF YOU DID IT A WEEK IN ADVANCE, IS THIS SHOULD ENCOURAGE A COUNCIL MEMBER TO SPEAK TO THEIR COLLEAGUES. 
          WE SHOULDN'T BE FINDING THINGS OUT ON THE FLY ON THE FLOOR, ESPECIALLY IF THERE WAS A LEGITIMATELY LEGITIMATE REASONS FOR IT. 
          I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT, I MEAN, I WOULD, I WOULD, I WAS JUST TALKING WITH, UH, UH, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIM, LIKE I WOULD BE INCLINED, I THINK, TO SUPPORT MY COLLEAGUES ANYTIME EXPECTING THERE'S A, A REASON FOR IT. 
          AND THEN THAT, AND THAT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD BELIEVE WOULD BE ARTICULATED. 
          NOW, IF I WOULD UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN ON, UH, NOT WANTING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH, UH, SUSPENSION OF THE RULES, AND LIKE, IF A MOTION COULD JUST BE MADE, UM, I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE FOR IT NOT TO BE JUST A SECOND THAT'S NEEDED. 
          WE MAY AS WELL NOT PUT THE RULE IN. 
          EVERY ONE OF US HAS AT LEAST ONE CLOSE COLLEAGUE WHO WE COULD COUNT ON TO GIVE US A SECOND, WHETHER THEY SUPPORT IT OR NOT. 
          SO I WOULD ASSUME, UH, THAT THAT KIND OF DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF PUTTING A MECHANISM IN PLACE. 
          NOW, WHEN I SAY EFFICIENCY EXERCISE, THAT'S TRULY WHAT I MEAN. 
          AND I KNOW THAT IF I HAVE AN ITEM THAT I'M PULLING AND I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE THING THAT I'M DOING ON WEDNESDAY MORNING IS WALKING AROUND TO EVERY ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHY I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT. 
          UH, ASK THEM THEIR FEEDBACK, START THAT CONVERSATION. 
          AND THAT TO ME IS WHAT A GOVERNING BODY IS SUPPOSED TO DO WITH COMMUNICATION. 
          UM, I, I DON'T EVER BELIEVE THAT IT'S GONNA BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO ME AND GETTING MY POINT ACROSS TO, UM, SPRING THINGS ON MY COLLEAGUES, AND IT THEN BE A SURPRISE IN THE MOMENT. 
          SO I JUST ASK THAT WHATEVER IT IS, UH, UM, THAT WE CAN AGREE UPON THAT IT BE, UH, ONE, THAT IT PROVIDES AN EXTRA LAYER THAT IS NEEDED, UM, BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE IT TOO BURDENSOME. 
          AND SO IF, IF THE CONSENSUS THAT IT IS A SIMPLE MAJORITY IS TOO BURDENSOME, I WOULD MORE, UH, SUGGEST THERE BEING THREE SECONDS, FOR INSTANCE. 
          UM, AND KNOWING , KNOWING THAT THERE'S A CLEAR, UH, UNDERSTANDING, BECAUSE THE REALITY IS, IS EVEN GETTING THOSE SECONDS, UM, SHOULD, MOST LIKELY REQUIRE OR, OR, OR HAVE SOME SORT OF CONVERSATION, RIGHT? IT'S GONNA BE ME GOING UP TO THOSE WHO I'M HOPING THAT WOULD SECOND AND LET THEM KNOW WHY THIS HAS COME UP, WHY I DIDN'T GET THIS PULLED OUT IN TIME. 
          I, I, AND I WOULD LIKE YOUR SUPPORT SO THAT WE CAN GET THIS, UH, TAKEN CARE OF. 
          I WOULD HOPE THAT IT WOULDN'T BE JUST, UH, TO BYPASS ANY RULES WE WOULD PUT IN PLACE AND TO CONTINUE THE SAME PRACTICE THAT WE HAVE EVERY OTHER WEDNESDAY. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BE AFRAID OF. 
          IF WE MAKE IT TOO EASY TO JUST DO IT ON THE, UH, THE, THE, THE DAY OF. 
          THERE'S NO QUESTION PAULA. 
          PAULA AND I ARE, UH, GOOD FRIENDS. 
          UM, I WOULD BE ABLE TO GO TO HER PROBABLY, AND SHE WOULD BE ABLE TO COME TO ME AND I'D ASK HER, I NEED YOUR SECOND ON THIS ITEM. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE THE EXTENT OF A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEONE THAT YOU'RE REALLY CLOSE WITH VERSUS THAT OF REACHING ACROSS TO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF WHY IT IS THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY DOING IT. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT THERE'S VALUE IN THAT, UH, UM, IN THAT CONVERSING. 
          THANK YOU, UH, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO, TIM WILLIS. 
          SORRY, I REALIZED MAYBE YOU WANTED SOME INPUT. 
          UM, I THOUGHT, UH, , UH, COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART, I, I LIKED YOUR SUGGESTION OF NOON. 
          I THINK THAT GIVES STAFF COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, I MEAN, OUR STAFF TIME TO, TO LOOK INTO A MATTER. 
          AND, UM, I LIKE THE DIRECTION YOU'RE GOING. 
          MAYBE IT'S NOT A MAJORITY, BUT IT IS GETTING TO WHERE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO, TO JUST NOT MAKE IT, UH, UM, A RUBBER STAMP, SOMETHING REALLY EASY SO THAT WE ABIDE BY WHATEVER TIME WE SET, UM, ON TUESDAY OR WHENEVER IT MAY BE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKMAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, TUESDAY AT NOON IS FINE. 
          UM, AND I, I'M, I DON'T MIND THE TWO, UH, SECONDS OR THIRDS OR EVEN A, UM, YOU KNOW, A SIMPLE MAJORITY BECAUSE LIKE WHEN WE SPEND THE SUSPEND THE RULES FOR OUR SPEAKERS, USUALLY THERE'S LIKE, IS THERE ANY OBJECTIONS? AND PEOPLE SAY, NO. 
          AND SO MAYBE WE APPLY THAT. 
          IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, OBJECTIONS, YOU SUSPEND THE RULES AND PUT IT ON THE PULLED. 
          BUT IF THERE IS AN OBJECTION, THEN YOU TAKE, THEN YOU EITHER HAVE THE TWO, TWO OR THREE SECONDS, OR A SIMPLE MAJORITY. 
          BUT FOR THE MOST PART, I, I'M INCLINED TO GIVE MY COLLEAGUES, UH, THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT THAT IF THEY COME IN ON A TWO, ON A WEDNESDAY MORNING AND SAY, HEY, I NEED TO PULL THIS, YOU KNOW, PULL IT. 
          I MEAN, I'M, I'M GIVING THEM, I MEAN, I'M, I'M, I, I'M UNDER, I'M JUST TRUSTING. 
          AND, UM, BUT THERE ARE TIMES WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE DO SUSPENSION OF THE SPEAKERS AND IT'S LIKE, NO, WE'RE, WE'VE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WE NEED, WE HAVE WORK TO DO. 
          SO IT MAY BE THAT WE FOLLOW SOMETHING LIKE THAT AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANY, I'D LIKE TO SUSPEND THE RULES TO DO THIS, OR ANY OBJECTIONS? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S PUT ONTO THE, UH, INDIVIDUAL. 
          AND IF THERE IS, THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE THREE SECONDS, YOU KNOW, I, I MEAN, A SIMPLE MAJORITY IS 
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FINE, BUT THREE SECONDS IS FINE TOO. 
          OR TWO SECONDS. 
          THAT MEANS THREE PEOPLE. 
          I DON'T WHATEVER ONE, BUT I DO, I, AND BACK TO AHAD AND STAFF, THEY NEED TO HAVE THE MATERIAL. 
          Y'ALL NEED TO HAVE MATERIALS. 
          I MEAN, THAT IS THE BOND. 
          I MEAN, I'VE GONE COME INTO COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND THE MATERIALS HAVE NOT BEEN POSTED. 
          AND, UH, THAT MEANS FROM OUTSIDE PEOPLE OR INSIDE PEOPLE, MATERIALS HAVE TO BE POSTED. 
          AND I THINK IF IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE POSTED ON A THURSDAY, MOVE IT TO WEDNESDAY. 
          IF WE CAN DO IT AT 24 HOURS BEFORE THAT WAY, IT FEELS LIKE IT IS A WHOLE WEEK THAT PEOPLE CAN READ THE BACKGROUND. 
          JUST MY THOUGHTS. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR, RIDLEY. 
          WELL, I, UH, STILL VOICE A STRONG OPPOSITION TO MAKING A VOTE OF A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL TO PULL AN ITEM THAT'S JUST TOO HIGH A BAR ON A CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE. 
          UH, IF WE'RE GOING TO ESTABLISH ANY ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT AFTER NOON OR TWO O'CLOCK ON THE PREVIOUS TUESDAY, THEN IT SHOULD BE, I THINK, JUST A DI MINIMIS REQUIREMENT OF ONE, MAYBE TWO SECONDS. 
          BUT ANY MORE THAN THAT IS JUST GOING TO STIFLE DEBATE. 
          AND, UH, THERE ARE JUST CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WILL COME UP IN THE, UM, 20 HOURS BETWEEN NOON ON TUESDAY AND THE TIME THAT WE GET TO THE CONSENT AGENDA ON WEDNESDAY THAT YOU CAN'T ALWAYS ANTICIPATE. 
          AND, UH, I THINK IT'S BURDENSOME TO TRY TO VISIT EVERY MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL DURING THE MEETING, OR EVEN BEFORE, WHEN A LOT OF PEOPLE AREN'T THERE YET TO TRY TO CONVINCE THEM THAT YOU ARE PULLING A, AN ITEM FOR LEGITIMATE REASONS. 
          THERE'S NO TIME TO GO AROUND AND EXPLAIN THAT TO EVERYBODY, OR EVEN A MAJORITY. 
          SO, I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PRACTICAL SOLUTION. 
          IF WE'RE GONNA PUT ANY ADDITIONAL LIMIT ON THIS, WHICH FRANKLY I DON'T THINK IS NECESSARY, THEN IT SHOULD BE LIMITED TO A SINGLE SECOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, CHAIR JOHNSON. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CENA, I, I THINK I'LL JUST REITERATE THAT I, I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD MAKE IT HARDER TO ADVOCATE FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS, AND I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL THAT THERE SHOULD BE, UM, A DEADLINE. 
          I THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME SIMPLE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO, UM, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN STAFF AND OURSELVES TO HELP THINGS RUN SMOOTHER. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. 
          I DON'T, I, I DON'T REALLY SEE, YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD THAT WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION. 
          I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          MAYBE WE HAVE SOME OTHER IDEAS THAT WE GOT FROM OTHER CITIES, BUT I THINK THAT WE'RE ELECTED TO REPRESENT OUR DISTRICTS AND WE NEED TO HAVE THE TOOLS THAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO PULL ITEMS. AND I CAN THINK OF SEVERAL, UM, AGENDA ITEMS THROUGHOUT THE YEARS THAT WE'RE REALLY IMPORTANT AND, AND WE HAD TO WAIT UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE TO PULL IT. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. 
          UH, CHAIRMAN MENDELSON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE MESSAGE BOARD. 
          I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THAT. 
          DO YOU THINK IT'S POSSIBLE TO GET A MESSAGE BOARD? I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSON, I'LL, I'LL REVISIT THAT. 
          I WAS SPEAKING WITH THE ATTORNEY. 
          THERE WERE SOME CHALLENGES, UM, BUT I WILL, UM, INTRODUCE THAT TO OUR, OUR, OUR INTERIM ATTORNEY. 
          WELL, THAT MAY SOLVE A LOT OF THESE ISSUES, BECAUSE I KNOW, AT LEAST FOR ME, NUMBER ONE, WHEN YOU ASK THE QUESTION, IF STAFF ISN'T ABLE TO GIVE YOU A TIMELY ANSWER, THAT THEN MEANS EVERYBODY KNOWS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PULL IT BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL WAITING ON AN ANSWER YOU NEVER RECEIVED. 
          THAT SOMETIMES HAPPENS TO ME. 
          UM, IT ALSO GIVES THE PUBLIC A VIEW INTO, WOW, WHY ARE THESE QUESTIONS BEING ASKED? AND WHAT ARE THEY? IT WOULD MAKE OUR MEETINGS MUCH MORE EFFICIENT, BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, THIS NEEDS TO BE ON THE RECORD BECAUSE IT'S EGREGIOUS AND IT, OR EGREGIOUS TO A MEMBER, AND THE BODY'S GONNA VOTE FOR IT. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S RARELY A TIME THAT I THINK I HAVE BEEN OUTTA SYNC WITH UNDERSTANDING WHAT WILL PASS AND WHAT WILL NOT PASS. 
          IT DOESN'T MEAN I'M NOT GONNA SAY WHAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE SAID, BUT THERE'S A POLITICAL REALITY. 
          AND SO IF IT CAN BE SAID ON A MESSAGE BOARD, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE SAID AT THE HORSESHOE. 
          SO THERE'S ONLY A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON THE HORSESHOE WHO ACTUALLY ARE LOOKING FOR THE HEADLINES AND GIVING QUOTES. 
          OTHER THINGS JUST GET RIPPED OFF OF THE BUSINESS WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING. 
          UM, SO I THINK PURSUING A MESSAGE BOARD WOULD BE VERY, VERY BENEFICIAL. 
          THE SECOND PART IS REQUIRING STAFF TO POST THE AGENDA WITH THE FULL ATTACHMENTS AT LEAST ONE WEEK IN ADVANCE. 
          AND IF THAT HAPPENED AGAIN, 
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I THINK A LOT LESS ITEMS WOULD BE PULLED. 
          THERE'D BE MORE TIME FOR PEOPLE TO ASK THE QUESTIONS AND ACTUALLY GET THOSE ANSWERS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S BEEN SAID THAT THIS HAPPENS FREQUENTLY IN COMMITTEES, AND WE CAN FEEL THAT AND SEE THAT. 
          BUT I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHEN IT HAPPENED WITH AN AGENDA ITEM. 
          WHEN WE HAD THE $1 MILLION ITEM FOR MASTER LEASING, WHICH OF COURSE WAS ACTUALLY LABELED RAPID REHOUSING BECAUSE IT WASN'T MASTER LEASING. 
          AND I ASKED FOR THAT CONTRACT, DO YOU KNOW THAT I GOT THAT CONTRACT AT EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING UNDER THE NINE O'CLOCK AGENDA MEETING? I HAD ASKED FOR IT FOR MULTIPLE DAYS, BUT I DIDN'T GET IT. 
          AND SO IT'S A MILLION DOLLARS. 
          I WANTED TO READ IT. 
          IT'S AN ITEM THAT I HAD ADVOCATED FOR IN THE BUDGET. 
          IT WAS WHY I ACTUALLY VOTED YES ON THE ENTIRETY OF OUR ANNUAL BUDGET, BECAUSE THAT ITEM AND A FIRE TRUCK PURCHASE WERE BEING, WERE, WERE ADDED. 
          AND SO I WAS LIKE, OKAY, THERE'S SOME GOOD THINGS HAPPENING, BUT AGAIN, WE WEREN'T GETTING TIMELY INFORMATION. 
          AND THAT'S ON A MILLION DOLLARS ON AN AGENDA ITEM. 
          SO ADDING THAT COMPONENT OF STAFF POSTING THE AGENDA WITH ALL ATTACHMENTS A WEEK IN ADVANCE, THIS IS GOOD FOR TRANSPARENCY AND IT IS VERY GOOD FOR EFFICIENCY. 
          THEN IF YOU WANNA INSTITUTE A NOON DEADLINE ON TUESDAY, I THINK THAT'S FAIR, ESPECIALLY WHEN SOME OF US HAVE TWO COMMITTEE MEETINGS ON A MONDAY AND A TUESDAY COMMITTEE MEETING, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO BREATHE IF IT'S A MONDAY ONLY. 
          AGAIN, SOME OF US HAVE TWO COMMITTEE MEETINGS ON AGENDA WEEK MONDAYS, AND I THINK THAT'S PROBLEMATIC. 
          UM, FOR DAY OF ITEMS, AGAIN, HAVING SOMEBODY SECOND IT, I UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU WANNA ADD TWO SECONDS, LIKE WE DO FOR, YOU KNOW, EMINENT DOMAIN ISSUES, SOMETIMES FINE. 
          BUT WHEN WE HEAR SOMEBODY SAYING THAT THEY'RE LOBBYING ALL THEIR COUNCIL COLLEAGUES TO GET A MAJORITY, I HOPE THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A WALKING QUORUM, BECAUSE THAT SURE SOUNDS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, I HAVE VERY OFTEN EXPLAINED TO MY COLLEAGUES WHAT I'M PULLING AND WHY. 
          MAYBE NOT EVERY SINGLE ONE, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE AROUND THIS HORSESHOE THAT CARE ABOUT SOME OF THE SAME THINGS I DO. 
          SO MAYBE NOT ALL OF THEM, RIGHT? AND, BUT THERE ARE THINGS WHERE IT'S LIKE, HEY, DID YOU SEE, DID YOU SEE THIS? AND DID YOU SEE THAT? BECAUSE YOU HAVE DIFFERENT INTERESTS. 
          AND SO THAT IS HOW WE SHOULD BE TALKING TO OUR COLLEAGUES. 
          BUT I CERTAINLY HOPE WE'RE NOT OUT THERE TALKING TO EVERY SINGLE ONE BEFORE WE HAVE A MEETING CALL TO ORDER ON CAMERA, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE ILLEGAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CHAIR JOHNSON. 
          MISS, UH, CITY SECRETARY. 
          SO WITH THE MESSAGE BOARD, BE EQUIVALENT TO WHAT I DESCRIBED THE TRUSTEE TRACKER WAS OR IS, AND WILL THAT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC OR WILL IT JUST BE OPEN TO THE COUNCIL AND ADMINISTRATION? SO, COUNCIL MEMBER, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH, UM, DSDS, TRUSTEE TRACKER. 
          I, HOWEVER, I WILL REVIEW THAT. 
          UM, I CAN TELL YOU, UM, THE PROBLEM WITH THE MESSAGE BOARD, THE WAY, UM, WE WERE LOOKING AT IT WITH, UM, AUSTIN, WAS THAT IT DID INTRODUCE THE PUBLIC AND THAT, UM, THOSE MESSAGES, UH, NEEDED TO BE SCREENED. 
          UM, SO WE HAD SOME, THAT'S WHERE IT WAS CAUGHT UP, UH, IN OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT AT THE TIME, UH, NOT BEING ABLE TO FILTER OR, OR ANTICIPATE SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT THE PUBLIC WOULD MAKE WILL BE MAKING ON THAT. 
          SO, UM, FOR THAT REASON, I, I, I NEED TO LOOK AT, UM, EVERY, I NEED TO GO BACK AND TALK WITH OUR ATTORNEYS AND IN LISTENING TO WHAT, UH, THIS COMMITTEE HAS SAID, I WOULD BE LEANING TO NOT INCLUDE THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, SO ON, SO THE TRACKER FOR THE TRUSTEES, WHEN WE DID IT, IT WAS NOT FOR THE PUBLIC. 
          IT'S ONLY THE ELECTED OFFICIAL AND THE ADMINISTRATION. 
          SO THE ADMINISTRATION CAN SEE WHAT WAS ASKED IF I SAID, GIVE ME THE COST OF HOW MUCH A PIPE WILL COST, RIGHT? UH, WE GET THAT AND THEY HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO GET US THOSE ANSWERS. 
          SO WHATEVER, WHATEVER AGENDA ITEM WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS ONLY FOR THE COUNCIL. 
          BUT IF I RESPOND, OR IF I ASK THE QUESTIONS, ALL 15 OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, INCLUDING ADMINISTRATION, WOULD SEE MY QUESTION AND TIME AS CHAIR MENDELSON SAID, UH, IF SHE REQUESTED SOMETHING AND IT'S NOT GIVEN UNTIL EIGHT O'CLOCK THE NEXT MORNING, AND THEN NINE O'CLOCK THERE'S A, A COUNCIL MEETING OR BRIEFING, WE WOULD ALL SEE THAT. 
          SO THAT, THAT WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING WAS NOT 
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OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. 
          IT WAS LITERALLY FOR THE ELECTED BODY AND THE ADMINISTRATION. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT MY SUGGESTION WAS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN I GUESS, WHAT THE MESSAGE BOARD WAS. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET UNDERSTANDING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          I WILL LOOK AT THE, UH, DSDS TRUSTEE TRACKER, AND I ALSO WILL RE POLL THE COUNCIL, UM, AND GET THEIR INPUT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, DEPUTY MAYOR PROTO, OR COUNCIL MEMBER? BA YES. 
          UH, OH. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ON RECORD. 
          'CAUSE IT WAS IMPLIED OTHERWISE THAT, UH, A QUORUM, UM, IS ACTUALLY NINE OF OUR BODY, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ACQUIRING A SIMPLE MAJORITY. 
          SO I THINK IT'S A, A STRETCH, UH, TO INSINUATE THAT SOMEONE IS A WALKING QUORUM, UH, WHEN NEEDING TO GET A SIMPLE MAJORITY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MR. CHAIR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, WE WILL, UH, PUT THIS BACK, THIS ITEM BACK ON THE AGENDA, INCLUDING, UM, THE ITEMS FOR THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE ON POSTING DEADLINES FOR, UH, MATERIALS. 
          AND THEN, UM, AMAD, DO YOU KNOW, UM, IF THERE'S A, UM, HOW IS IT DETERMINED WHETHER AN ITEM IS AN INDIVIDUAL ITEM OR ON CONSENT? IS THERE ANY MECHANISM TO DETERMINE HOW THAT'S PLACED, UH, ON WHETHER IT GOES ON CONSENT OR AN INDIVIDUAL ITEM? WELL, I WOULD DEFER TO OUR CITY SECRETARY OR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 
          I SO APOLOGIZE. 
          I WAS LOOKING AT THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, AND I MISSED THE QUESTION. 
          SO THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE A, UH, SET RULE OR POLICY ON WHETHER AN ITEM GETS PLACED ON CONSENT VERSUS CON, UH, INDIVIDUAL ITEM? I, I THINK THERE IS SOME SORT OF SYSTEM TO IT, BUT THAT IS A CITY MANAGER, UH, DECISION. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE'LL GET THAT ANSWER TO YOU, MAYOR, FOLLOW UP ON THAT. 
          YES. 
          SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, UM, WHEN THEY'RE DEVELOPING THE AGENDA, SHOWS IT TO YOU ALREADY BROKEN OUT INTO WHAT'S ON CONSENT AND WHAT'S INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? DON'T YOU REVIEW THE AGENDA BEFORE IT'S POSTED? WE SEE THE DRAFT AGENDA AS, AS Y'ALL DO. 
          ARE YOU NOT REVIEWING THE DRAFT AGENDA FOR LEGAL COMPLIANCE BEFORE WE DO, WE DO LOOK AT THE AGENDAS AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN SITUATED INTO CONSENT AND INDIVIDUAL ITEMS. YES. 
          YEAH, I GUESS IT HAS. 
          I, I'M SORRY. 
          I I DON'T REALLY THINK OF IT IN THOSE TERMS. I, I, I LOOK AT IT FOR LEGAL COMPLIANCE. 
          I DON'T THINK OF WHAT IS AN ADDITIONAL ITEM OR AN INDIVIDUAL ITEM. 
          I SORT OF JUST LOOK AT THE, THE ITEMS. I, UM, WELL, SPECIFICALLY, UM, CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER THAT ANYTHING THAT'S A NEW ITEM SHOULD NEVER BE SENT ON CONSENT, MEANING WE DIDN'T SEE IT IN ADVANCE AND WE'RE GETTING A MEMO AGAIN ON A FRIDAY OF NEW ITEMS BEING ADDED TO AN AGENDA THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE EVER BEEN BRIEFED. 
          UM, SO THOSE SHOULD ALWAYS, ANYTHING NEW SHOULD ALWAYS BE INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION IN MY OPINION. 
          UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO GET MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT THE FACTORS ARE THAT, UM, HELP THE CITY MANAGER DECIDE WHETHER THAT'S FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION OR NOT. 
          AND I THINK THERE SHOULD BE ACTUALLY FIRM RULES, MEANING THIS IS A STANDARD ITEM THAT WE REGULARLY PURCHASED. 
          WE'VE PURCHASED IT BEFORE, WE'VE PURCHASED IT WITH THIS VENDOR. 
          THERE'S REALLY NO CONTROVERSY. 
          UM, NOW I WILL SAY THERE IS ONE ITEM THAT I KNOW WOULD STILL BE A CONTROVERSY FOR ME, BUT IT'S BECAUSE OF AN INDIVIDUAL VENDOR AND THE EXPERIENCE I'VE HAD WITH THEM. 
          BUT IN GENERAL, THAT WOULD THEN BE THE ONLY THING ONE WOULD PULL OFF OF THE CONSENT AGENDA, THEORETICALLY. 
          I MEAN, BECAUSE ALL OF THESE THINGS WOULD HAVE, UM, GONE THROUGH A PROCESS THAT HAS ALREADY PLAYED OUT. 
          SO I DO THINK THAT IF WE CAN GET SOME SORT OF MATRIX FOR THEM, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN BRIEFED TO COMMITTEE, THE COMMITTEE UNANIMOUSLY AGREED, THEREFORE, WE PUT ON CONSENT. 
          WE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PURCHASED THIS ITEM MULTIPLE TIMES BEFORE FROM THIS VENDOR. 
          WE PUT IT ON CONSENT. 
          BUT THERE SHOULD BE A NUMBER OF TRIGGERS THAT SAY, YEAH, WELL, WE'VE NEVER BRIEFED IT. 
          IT'S FOR SURE INDIVIDUAL, WE'VE NEVER PURCHASED THIS ITEM BEFORE. 
          IT'S INDIVIDUAL. 
          THIS IS A BRAND NEW PROGRAM, EVEN IF IT WENT TO COMMITTEE, IT'S ON INDIVIDUAL. 
          SO WHATEVER THAT MATRIX LOOK, MATRIX LOOKS LIKE, I THINK WE SHOULD ACTUALLY HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE WILL NOW, UH, PROCEED TO OUR, UH, NEXT ITEM AND GO BACK TO ITEM B. 
          THIS IS THE ITEM ON THE INSPECTOR GENERAL SEARCH 
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TIMELINE. 
          THIS IS REALLY MORE FOR INFORMATION. 
          IT DOES HAVE A TIMELINE IN, IN YOUR, UH, HANDOUT. 
          THE, UH, SEARCH FIRM IS AVAILABLE ONLINE. 
          IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, UH, I'LL START WITH, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER CENA. 
          COUNCIL CHAIR, UM, JOHNSON. 
          OKAY. 
          CHAIR MENDELSOHN? NO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYONE FROM, UM, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO, TIMM WILLIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, I KNOW WE HAD HAD DISCUSSION AROUND, UM, WHILE IT'S REQUIRED THAT YOU ARE A, UH, LICENSED PRACTICING ATTORNEY, WE HAD DISCUSSION AROUND WHETHER YOU HAD TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, A, A TEXAS BAR MEMBER, OR WHETHER WE WANTED TO THROW THE DOORS OPEN WIDE AND SEE WHO ALL WE WOULD GET WITH THE CAVEAT FROM THE RECRUITMENT FIRM. 
          MAYBE WHEN WE'RE CATEGORIZED, WHEN WE HAVE OUR CANDIDATES, CATEGORI CATEGORIZED THAT THE TOP SELECTIONS, IT WOULD BE NOTED WHETHER SOMEONE WAS A MEMBER OF THE TEXAS BAR OR WOULD HAVE TO PURSUE THAT, BECAUSE THE THOUGHT WAS, WE WANT THE BEST THAT THE COUNTRY HAS TO OFFER TO, UM, TO APPLY FOR THIS ROLE. 
          AND SO, AS I LOOK AT THE POSTED JOB, IT IS, UH, IT SAYS THE IDEAL CANDIDATE WILL BE AN EXPERIENCED MEMBER OF THE TEXAS BAR, AND THEN IT SAYS, REQUIRED QUALIFICATIONS, LICENSED STANDING GOODS STANDING WITH THE TEXAS STATE BAR. 
          AND I KNOW CHAIR, YOU AND I HAD HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS IN OUR LAST CONVERSATION. 
          I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS, WE WERE GOING TO LEAVE THE, THE DOORS OPEN. 
          AND, UM, AND THEN JUST NOTE THAT THIS IS, SHOULD WE SELECT THAT CANDIDATE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO, UH, WHETHER THEY DID AN ADMISSION WITHOUT EXAMINATION OR WHATEVER THE TEXAS BAR PRACTICE IS, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO UNDERGO THAT, BUT WE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO CONSIDER THAT AS A BODY. 
          AND SO I KNOW WHEN I SPOKE WITH THE MAYOR, HE KIND OF LIKED THE LET'S GET ALL THE CANDIDATES WE CAN AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MAKE A DECISION, UM, BASED ON KNOWING THAT ABOUT THEM. 
          I MEAN, IT MIGHT MAKE US DECIDE NOT TO GO WITH SOMEONE, BUT WE MIGHT BE GLAD WE WERE EXPOSED TO A CANDIDATE, UM, THAT WE FELT WAS REALLY TOP NOTCH, AND WE MIGHT WANNA GIVE THEM THAT PERIOD OF TIME TO, UM, APPLY FOR THAT. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO HEAR WHY WE HAVE SHIFTED BACK TO THAT. 
          SO I, I THINK WE WANTED TO MAKE IT, UH, EXPLICITLY CLEAR WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS WERE. 
          UM, I, I THINK THAT THE, UH, CONSULTANT FIRM CAN, UH, BRING IN APPLICANTS WHO DON'T MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS FOR US TO CONSIDER, BUT I THINK WE WANTED TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THERE WAS THOSE TWO REQUIREMENTS OF BEING A, UH, LICENSED, UH, ATTORNEY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION WE GOT FROM OUR LEGAL COUNSEL AND ALSO TO BE A CERTIFIED, UH, INSPECTOR GENERAL. 
          UM, BUT WE ARE DEFINITELY OPEN TO, UH, INTERVIEWING INDIVIDUALS THAT DON'T MEET THAT CRITERIA. 
          UH, AND THEN I WOULD LET EITHER HR OR THE CONSULTANT, UH, ELABORATE ON THAT. 
          WELL, I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE POINT. 
          IT SAYS, UNDER REQUIRED QUALIFICATIONS, THE SECOND BULLET LICENSED AND IN GOOD STANDING WITH THE TEXAS STATE BAR AT THE TIME OF APPLICATION, THAT MIGHT BE A STOP SIGN TO SOMEONE, AND MAYBE THAT BELONGS UNDER PREFERRED VERSUS REQUIRED, IS THE POINT I'M MAKING. 
          UM, ANY OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS? OKAY, CHAIR, UH, MIDDLETON. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, TO FOLLOW UP, I MEAN, YOU JUST HAD SOMETHING SAID AND WE'RE NOT REALLY RESPONDING TO THAT. 
          SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR IT TO SAY, MUST BE A LICENSED ATTORNEY AS REQUIRED AND TEXAS BAR MEMBERSHIP PREFERRED, OR ARE WE GONNA JUST LEAVE IT AS IS? I MEAN, I THINK WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY DEAL WITH THAT COMMENT. 
          SURE. 
          UM, I WILL ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO COME FORWARD, UM, AND GIVE US THE REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE CITY CHARTER ON HOW WE SHOULD POST THE ITEM FOR THE JOB DESCRIPTION. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          IA POWERS, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 
          SO THE, THE CITY CHARTER THAT WENT INTO EFFECT IN NOVEMBER OF 2000, UH, 2024, REQUIRES THAT THE IGBA COMPETENT PRACTICING ATTORNEY OF RECOGNIZED ABILITY, UM, THAT'S WHAT THE CHARTER REQUIRES, AND ALSO A CERTIFIED INSPECTOR GENERAL. 
          AND SO, DEPUTY, UH, MAYOR PROTO WILLIS, 
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UH, RAISED A QUESTION, UH, GIVING A APPLICANT THE ABILITY, WHO, WHO'S NOT CER OR WHO'S NOT A LICENSED ATTORNEY IN TEXAS, UH, THE ABILITY TO, UM, APPLY FOR THE JOB, INTERVIEW FOR THE JOB, AND THEN BECOME IN GOOD STANDING. 
          WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED FOR US TO PROCEED WITH, OR IS IT PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD THAT IT THEY HAVE TO BE A PRACTICING ATTORNEY IN, IN THE STATE OF TEXAS? UM, WE PROVIDED LEGAL OPINION ON THAT. 
          UM, THE, THE PROCESS FOR SOMEONE WHO IS NOT LICENSED IN TEXAS TO BECOME LICENSED IN TEXAS CAN TAKE SEVERAL MONTHS. 
          UM, SO IT CAN TAKE SOMEBODY, UH, IF, IF THEY'RE IN A STATE THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE RECIPROCITY WITH, IT COULD TAKE, UM, YOU KNOW, SIX TO NINE MONTHS TO, TO GET LICENSED. 
          ALSO, IT DEPENDS ON WHERE THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS. 
          SOMETIMES CANDIDATES ARE IN THE PROCESS BEFORE THEY, THEY APPLY. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING FOR CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AS WELL. 
          SO IN THE, AND WE MAY BE MODIFYING THE CITY ATTORNEY , UH, JOB DESCRIPTION OR WHAT WE POST, BUT UNDER LICENSES AND CERTIFICATIONS, THE CURRENT DESCRIPTOR THAT WE HAVE, WHICH I UNDERSTAND MS. ARIAS HAS BEEN UPDATED, I THINK, SINCE, UM, MR. CASOS TIME SAYS ACTIVE LICENSE TO PRACTICE LAW AND MEMBER IN GOOD STANDING WITH A STATE BAR. 
          AND SECOND BULLET IS STATE, STATE OF TEXAS BAR ATTORNEY LICENSE IS REQUIRED, AND THE SUCCESSFUL CANDIDATE NOT HOLDING A TEXAS BAR LICENSE WILL OBTAIN ONE WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF HIRE. 
          SO THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE HERE IS I WOULD RATHER HAVE A VERY WIDE FLOODGATE TO GET THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST APPLICANTS TO HELP US SUSS OUT FRAUD, WASTE, AND ABUSE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. 
          AND LET US AS A BODY DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WHEN WE SEE WHEN IT'S PROVIDED FOR US, THIS PERSON IS LICENSED IN TEXAS, THIS ONE IS NOT. 
          AND JUST MAKE THAT ONE OF THE CRITERIA POINTS THAT WE DECIDE ON. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE MAY NOT WANNA GIVE SOMEONE THAT, THAT TIME. 
          UH, WE MAY HAVE A SECONDARY CANDIDATE THAT WE FEEL LIKE WE'D RATHER JUST GO ON AND PLUG RIGHT IN. 
          SO THE WHOLE GOAL WAS JUST TO GET THE BEST THAT WE COULD AND THEN LET US MAKE THE DETERMINATION RATHER THAN SHUTTING OUT 49 STATES AND TERRITORIES , UM, FROM, FROM THAT OPPORTUNITY. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO BRING THIS UP, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE IT, SEE IT FOLLOW WITH WHAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS NOT MAKE IT, NOT PUT THE REQUIREMENT AT APPLICATION TIME, BUT RATHER THE REQUIREMENT IF WE CHOOSE TO HIRE THAT PERSON. 
          CHAIR STEWART. 
          YEAH, I HAVE SOME QUESTION ABOUT HOW THAT'S WORDED IN THE CHARTER. 
          IT, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS TO BE TRUE IN THE FUTURE. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS TO BE TRUE CURRENTLY. 
          AND SO I I THINK WE NEED A, UM, AN OPINION FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AS TO WHETHER THAT OPTION, I DON'T LOVE THE WAY IT'S, IT'S STATED IN THE CHARTER. 
          I'LL BE VERY HONEST. 
          I THINK IT'S A LITTLE VAGUE. 
          UM, AND I, I WOULD CERTAINLY SUPPORT A CLARIFICATION OF THAT IN THE FUTURE, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR CHARTER AT THIS POINT. 
          SO I WOULD, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU ALL LOOK AT THAT LANGUAGE, AND IF YOU THINK THAT IT ALLOWS US TO LOOK BEYOND THE STATE OF TEXAS, IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY SAY THE STATE OF TEXAS, BUT IT SAYS, UM, WELL, IF YOU CAN READ THAT PHRASE AGAIN, IT'S JUST, IT SAYS, UM, THAT IT HAS TO BE A COMPETENT PRACTICING ATTORNEY OF RECOGNIZABILITY IS THE LANGUAGE FROM THE CHARTER, AND WE CAN PROVIDE YOU OUR LEGAL RECOGNIZED ABILITY. 
          THAT'S A WEIRD THING TO SAY. 
          I THINK WHAT THAT WAS INTENDED TO PROBABLY MEAN, LIKE THEY'RE PART OF A STAKE BAR, UM, AND THAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY PRACTICING LAW AND IN SOME TYPE OF CONTEXT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, ANYWAY, YOU CAN READ INTO WHAT THAT MEANS. 
          SO I JUST THINK CLARIFICATION FROM YOU ALL ON WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO IN THIS PROCESS WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO BROADEN THE SEARCH BEYOND PEOPLE WHO CURRENTLY ARE, UM, LICENSED TO PRACTICE LAW JUST IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. 
          IF WE COULD, IF WE CAN BROADEN THAT, I THINK THAT'S MUCH BETTER FOR OUR SEARCH. 
          BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL LOOK AT THAT LANGUAGE AND BELIEVE THAT IT GIVES US THE CAPACITY TO DO THAT. 
          WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          CHAIR MIDDLETON, CHAIR JOHNSON? YES. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ENA, UH, DEPUTY MAYOR PROTO. 
          SO LET ME ADD ONE MORE THING. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH THE CHARTER SAYS JUST LICENSED, UM, ATTORNEY, UM, TO SUPERVISE IN THAT OFFICE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, YOU'D HAVE TO BE A MEMBER OF THE TEXAS BAR. 
          SO THAT THAT DOES, THAT IS A WRINKLE THAT IF SOMEONE CAME IN, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO IMMEDIATELY SUPERVISE. 
          BUT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, UM, THE CHIEF ETHICS OFFICER, UM, WHO'S NOW THE INTERIM INSPECTOR GENERAL 
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COULD SERVE IN THAT KIND OF CAPACITY TO BRIDGE. 
          SO WHILE IT IS A BIT OF A WRINKLE, I'M JUST IN OUT THERE SO THAT WE GET THE BEST APPLICANTS FOR THE CITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, UM, I I, I HAVE CONCERNS WITH CHANGING THE LANGUAGE IN, IN THE BROCHURE. 
          UH, IF WE HAVE ATTORNEYS THAT, UM, THAT KNOW DON'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS AT THE TIME OF APPLICATION, UH, AND WE POTENTIALLY INTERVIEW THEM AND DON'T ADVANCE THEM BECAUSE THEY DON'T MEET THE CRITERIA AT THE TIME, UH, AND THE CHARTERS, I WORRY ABOUT ADDITIONAL LAWSUITS THAT COULD COME INTO PLAY, UH, BECAUSE WE ARE SETTING UP WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE, BUT THEN WE'RE SAYING SOMETHING DIFFERENT DURING THE INTERVIEW. 
          AND SO I HAVE SOME CONCERNS. 
          AND SO WHAT I WOULD, WHAT I, WHAT I'M OPEN TO IS HAVING THE, UH, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE BROCHURE IS, IS, UH, IT'S BLACK AND WHITE AND IT SAYS THAT IT HAS TO BE A, UH, UH, PRACTICING ATTORNEY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. 
          UH, BUT IF THERE ARE OTHER CANDIDATES THAT APPLY THAT DON'T MEET THAT CRITERIA, UH, PERHAPS INTERVIEWING THEM, UH, AS WELL. 
          UH, BUT I JUST HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH ANY POTENTIAL LAWSUITS THAT, UH, THAT COULD ARISE. 
          AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, IF THE CONSULTANT CAN CHIME IN ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY AT THIS POINT TO, I MEAN, I BELIEVE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO CHANGE THE, UM, THE, UH, WORDING IN THE BROCHURE. 
          UM, THE GOAL OF THIS, FOR ME AT LEAST, IS TO HAVE SOMEONE IDENTIFIED AND IN PLACE PRIOR TO SUMMER RECESS. 
          UM, AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD HAVE TO, UH, REPOST, UH, AND ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL TIME FOR MEMBERS TO, UH, SUBMIT APPLICATIONS. 
          UH, AND I'LL HAVE THE CONSULTANT JUMP IN, BUT I'M GONNA LET GO TO, UH, CHAIR MIDDLESTON FIRST. 
          WELL, I GUESS MY COMMENT IS JUST THIS, TEXAS IS A VERY LARGE STATE WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE AND A LOT OF LAWYERS. 
          I MEAN, DO WE THINK THAT WE DON'T HAVE A SUFFICIENT APPLICANT POOL? AND WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE CONSULTANT ON, UH, THOSE NUMBER OF QUESTIONS, PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MICHAEL MALOFF WITH SGR, UM, EXCUSE ME. 
          UH, THE, UH, NUMBER OF APPLICANTS WE'VE RECEIVED SO FAR HAS NOT BEEN TOO MANY. 
          WE'VE ONLY RECEIVED TWO, ALTHOUGH GENERALLY SPEAKING, APPLICANTS TEND TO BE MORE FREQUENT TOWARDS THE END OF THE, UH, DEADLINE, WHICH IS THE 17TH OF THIS MONTH. 
          SO WE HAVE ABOUT TWO WEEKS LEFT. 
          WE'VE TAKEN ADDITIONAL STEPS TO TRY TO REACH OUT TO APPLICANTS. 
          UM, WE'VE GONE THROUGH OUR NEWSLETTER MEMBERSHIPS FROM ATTORNEYS IN TEXAS, AS WELL AS THOSE WHO ARE ON OUR JOB BULLETIN. 
          AND YESTERDAY SENT OUT, UH, OVER 250 DIRECT APPEALS WITH, UH, UH, AN EXAMPLE OF THE BROCHURE, BUT MORE IN A LETTER FORMAT. 
          AND THEN TODAY WE SENT OUT AN ADDITIONAL APPROXIMATELY 40 TO, UH, TEXAS ATTORNEYS WHO HAVE, UM, APPLIED FOR AND BEEN RANKED HIGH IN CITY ATTORNEY JOBS IN TEXAS. 
          NOW, IN TERMS OF THE QUESTION OF THE POOL, UM, WHAT I'VE FOUND IN THE QUALIFICATIONS, WHAT HAVE FOUND IN THE TWO CANDIDATES THAT WE'VE RECEIVED SO FAR IS BOTH OF THEM ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE CERTIFICATION AS AN INSPECTOR GENERAL. 
          SO THEY DID APPLY, UH, BUT THEY HAVE TO PASS THAT PRIOR TO BEING, UH, BEING SELECTED FOR THE POSITION. 
          SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANNA LOOK AT AS WELL, UM, BECAUSE IT ISN'T A PROCESS THAT'S PARTICULARLY DIFFICULT TO GET, UH, BECOMING A MEMBER OF THE BAR IS, AND YOUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE CAN SPEAK TO THAT. 
          UM, I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH ON THIS BEFOREHAND. 
          UH, THERE'S A MULTI-STATE TEST YOU HAVE TO TAKE AND I THINK AN ETHICS TEST, AND IT DOES, UH, TAKE A LITTLE WHILE, BUT THE, UM, ADVICE THAT WE WERE GIVEN AND PUTTING TOGETHER THE BROCHURE WAS TO MAKE IT A MEMBER OF THE TEXAS BAR REQUIRED. 
          NOW, IN TERMS OF CHANGING THE BROCHURE, UH, WE CAN DO THAT. 
          UM, I'VE RECENTLY DONE THAT AT ANOTHER SEARCH FOR A, UH, UH, TEXAS CITY FOR A, UH, CITY ATTORNEY. 
          AND, UM, THAT'S NO PROBLEM. 
          UH, THE ONLY QUESTION THAT YOU MAY WANT TO ASK YOURSELF IS EXTENDING THE DEADLINE ONCE YOU 
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DO THAT, UM, I KNOW THERE'S A DEADLINE AND WE UPDATED OUR SCHEDULE TO MEET, UM, TO TRY TO GET A FINALIST TO YOU BY THE 24TH OF, UM, JUNE. 
          BUT, UM, ONCE YOU CHANGE IT, UH, THAT MAY BE AN ISSUE THAT YOU NEED TO DISCUSS AMONG YOURSELVES AS IN TERMS OF THE DEADLINE. 
          'CAUSE WE DID IN, IN THIS OTHER COMMUNITY, ONCE WE MADE SOME CHANGES, THEY DECIDED TO EXTEND THE, THE DEADLINE TO ALLOW APPLICANTS, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT AND, AND, AND SIMILAR REASONS TO EXPAND THE POOL. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I, I WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF, UH, UH, DEPUTY MAYOR PERMS, UH, RECOMMENDATION. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, LEGAL COUNSEL, ARE WE ABLE TO TAKE A, A POLL ON WHETHER WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT CHANGE NOW, OR, UH, DO WE NEED TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DO THAT? UM, LET ME CONSULT WITH ONE OF OUR ATTORNEYS, DEPUTY MAYOR PROTO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS COIN, YEAH, THERE ARE A LOT OF LAWYERS IN TEXAS, BUT ARE THEY CERTIFIED INSPECTOR GENERALS? AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S A FIVE DAY PROCESS, YOU STILL HAVE TO PASS A FINAL EXAM. 
          SO IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, UH, I MEAN, WE WOULD HOPE THAT SOMEONE WOULD GO THROUGH THE TRAINING AND DO IT, BUT THE COURSE IS ONLY OFFERED TWO TIMES A YEAR. 
          SO IF WE SELECT SOMEONE AFTER THAT WINDOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE WAITING ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS. 
          AND SO I'D SAY IT'S A LOT EASIER TO BECOME A CERTIFIED INSPECTOR GENERAL THAN IT IS TO BECOME AN ATTORNEY . 
          SO THAT'S WHY, UM, I'M IN FAVOR OF OPENING THIS UP TO MORE PEOPLE, UM, BECAUSE, AND MAYBE LEANING ON THE, BEING CERTIFIED AS, UH, WELL, I MEAN, WE WANT THEM TO BE AN ATTORNEY AND THAT WE KNOW THAT THEY NEED TO BE BOTH. 
          BUT BOTH OF THESE COME WITH A PERIOD OF TIME THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE ONE PART OF THE EQUATION IN TEXAS, OR IF YOU'RE NOT A CERTIFIED INSPECTOR GENERAL, IT COULD BE MONTHS IN THE MAKING. 
          SO I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED BY HEARING, WE HAVE TWO CANDIDATES WHO ARE ATTORNEYS WHO ARE UNDERGOING THE TRAINING. 
          SO IT SOUNDS LIKE NOBODY WHO MEETS BOTH QUALIFICATIONS HAS APPLIED. 
          SO, UM, I DO THINK WE NEED TO OPEN THIS UP AND LET OUR, UM, THE SORTING TAKE PLACE AFTER WE GET ALL THE APPLICANTS IN BY OUR, OUR FIRM THAT, THAT WE'VE CHOSEN, AND THEN LET US DECIDE AT THE BACK END VERSUS SAYING, WE NEED TO KEEP POSTING, WE NEED TO KEEP POSTING BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GETTING ENOUGH APPLICANTS. 
          WELL, MAY I, UM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, BES WHAT I CALL BESPOKE OUTREACH TO ATTORNEYS IN TEXAS JUST RECENTLY, AND YOU TEND TO GET MORE APPLICANTS TOWARDS THE END OF THE PERIOD. 
          UH, SO YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT IN TERMS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, GETTING ENOUGH APPLICANTS, UM, AND, AND MAKING THAT DECISION AT THAT TIME. 
          I JUST WANNA MENTION THAT I BELIEVE ONE OF THE CANDIDATES, UM, HAS TAKEN, UH, THE CERTIFICATION AND PASSED IT, AND THE OTHER ONE IS IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT. 
          UM, SO I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THEY'D HAVE TO BOTH MEET THAT QUALIFICATION BY THE TIME THEY, IF THEY DO COME IN AND MAKE IT TO THE INTERVIEW PROCESS, CITY ATTORNEY. 
          OKAY. 
          TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UM, THIS ITEM WAS POSTED AS A BRIEFING ITEM AND, UM, NOT FOR, FOR THIS BODY TO, IT'S NOT AN ACTION ITEM, SO YOU CAN DISCUSS IT AMONGST YOURSELVES, UM, BUT IT'S NOT POSTED AS AN ACTION ITEM. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO TO OUR NEXT ITEM, ITEM C. 
          AND I BELIEVE THIS IS MORE OF A PROCEDURAL, UM, ITEM. 
          UH, AND SO THE LIMITED TIME THAT WE HAVE, IF YOU COULD GET US RIGHT THROUGH IT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UH, DANIEL MORRIS, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, AS WAS ALLUDED TO EARLIER IN THE MEETING, THE LEGISLATURE UPDATED THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT TO REQUIRE THAT WE POST THREE BUSINESS DAYS IN ADVANCE. 
          THE COUNCIL RULE OF PROCEDURE SEVEN 11, SORT OF, UH, STILL ASSUMED THE 72 HOURS. 
          SO THIS IS JUST MAKING 
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CHANGES TO COMPLY WITH THAT THREE BUSINESS DAY POSTING. 
          SO IT MOVES ALL THE DAYS IN SECTION SEVEN 11 UP, ONE MORE TO COMPLY WITH TOMA SO THAT ITEMS CAN BE DEFERRED AND DELETED BEFORE THE AGENDA IS PUBLISHED. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU CHAIRMAN DELSON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE PROBLEM THAT WE'VE HAD ACTUALLY WITH THIS WHOLE DEFERRAL THING IS THAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO DEFER AN ITEM WHEN THE MATERIALS ASSOCIATED WITH THE AGENDA ITEM HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN POSTED. 
          THAT IS, IF, IF THE BODY WANTS TO CHANGE THE RULES TO, LIKE YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, HAVE THE AGENDA PUBLISHED SOONER, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN DO. 
          SO IF WE HAVE THE AGENDA POSTED, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST ONE WEEK IN ADVANCE, SO BY WEDNESDAY MORNING WITH ALL OF THE ASSOCIATE ITEMS, THEN DEFERRING IT THAT THURSDAY WOULD ESSENTIALLY GIVE YOU ONE DAY TO REVIEW IT AND DEFER. 
          NOW ONE WOULD THINK, YOU KNOW, FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD WANNA DEFERRAL, NOT MAYBE A DEBATE AROUND THE HORSESHOE, YOU WILL ACT QUICKER, AND THAT CERTAINLY CAN HAPPEN. 
          BUT I JUST WANNA NOTE THAT QUICK TURNAROUND AND, UM, I HAVE NEVER DEFERRED ANYTHING IN SEVEN YEARS FOR THAT EXACT PURPOSE BECAUSE I'M ALWAYS LIKE, WELL, LET'S SEE WHAT THE MATERIALS ARE BECAUSE MAYBE I DON'T NEED TO DO THAT. 
          I THINK IT'S SORT OF A, UM, EXTREME OPTION AND IT HAS NOT BEEN WIDELY USED ON THE COUNCIL, UM, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE TIMES A YEAR AT MOST. 
          BUT I DO THINK IT'S PROBLEMATIC WHEN THE DEADLINE IS THE SAME DEADLINE OF POSTING MATERIALS. 
          SO IF THE DEADLINE IS, UM, THURSDAY AND RIGHT NOW YOU'RE POSTING THE MATERIALS, YOU'RE POSTING THE AGENDA ON THURSDAY MAYBE, OR MAYBE NOT WITH MATERIALS, UM, THIS IS THE PROBLEM. 
          AND SO I DO THINK IT GOES BACK TO OUR EARLIER ITEM THAT WE NEED, UM, SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM STAFF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CENA. 
          YEAH, I WOULD AGREE. 
          I THINK I'VE ONLY SEEN THIS USED A COUPLE OF TIMES A YEAR, AND I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER NAR VICE USED IT A FEW TIMES. 
          UM, BUT UM, I THINK TO CHANGE, UM, THE STAFF POSTING DATE COULD DEFINITELY HELP WITH THAT. 
          CHAIR STEWART? CHAIR JOHNSON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'LL GO AHEAD AND NOW MOVE INTO ITEM E. 
          SO WE DID GET BRIEFED ON, UH, OR DISCUSSED THIS ITEM, UH, PREVIOUSLY, AND THIS IS, UH, TELEWORK, UH, ITEM EI BELIEVE HR IS TAKING THE LEAD ON THIS ONE. 
          ERICA RERO ACQUISITION AND ONBOARDING MANAGER. 
          UM, NINA, THE DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES HAS THIS ITEM, BUT SHE HAD TO STEP OUT FOR A MOMENT. 
          UM, THERE WAS THIS, UM, MEMO PROVIDED WITH THE INFORMATION, AND I KNOW YOU THERE WAS ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO ADDRESS? UH, I'M SURE WE WERE GOING TO HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE FOR US TO MOVE THIS ITEM OR DO, DO YOU READY? SHE HAD TO STEP FOR A MOMENT, BUT SHE'S COMING BACK. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, CHAIRMAN MIDDLESTON, UM, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WHEN THERE'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTIVE AS THIS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL IS ABLE TO, UM, GIVE INPUT AND DIRECTION ON, OR IS IT SOLELY THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE MANAGER? UM, ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTIVES ARE PUT OUT BY THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. 
          THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED POLICY AS, AS CITY COUNCIL WOULD SET POLICY. 
          THEY'RE INTERNAL PROCEDURES TO HELP, UM, RUN THE CITY EFFICIENTLY AND HAVE SOME RULES IN PLACE. 
          AND SO, UM, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, WE'RE SEEING WHERE BOARDS OF 
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DIRECTORS AND CEOS ARE DOING A RETURN TO WORK SAYING, WE'RE NOT DOING THIS ANYMORE. 
          IT'S NOT PROVIDING THE LEVEL OF, UM, PRODUCTIVITY THAT WE ONCE ENJOYED. 
          OR, UM, EVEN THE, UH, RELATIONSHIP BUILDING, TEAM BUILDING THAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, AT THE WATER COOLER TOGETHER. 
          UM, SO IS THERE SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL COULD DO TO DIRECT THE MANAGER TO END THIS POLICY IF IT WISHED? YES. 
          THE PERSONNEL RULES ARE CODIFIED IN DALLAS CITY CODE. 
          IT'S CHAPTER 34. 
          SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UM, HAVE A POLICY TO DO AWAY WITH TELEWORK, YOU COULD DO THAT THROUGH, UH, THE PERSONNEL RULES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN TOLD THAT THERE'S 89 PEOPLE WHO HAVE FORMAL TELEWORK AGREEMENTS, BUT WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT, UH, WORK FROM HOME IS HAPPENING FAR, FAR GREATER IN THE CITY THAN JUST THE TELEWORK AGREEMENTS. 
          AND ANYONE WOULD KNOW THIS IF YOU WALK THROUGH ANY DEPARTMENT, AND YOU KNOW, I WILL SAY THE STAFF IN DISTRICT 12, IF I'M NOT GONNA BE AT CITY HALL, I DON'T NECESSARILY NEED THEM TO BE AT CITY HALL EITHER. 
          UM, BUT THIS IS HAPPENING ACROSS THE CITY TO THE POINT WHERE CITY HALL CAN FEEL PRETTY EMPTY, UM, CAN'T SUSTAIN, UM, A VENDOR FOR LUNCH BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE ACTUALLY EVEN IN THE BUILDING. 
          AND I WOULD SAY THAT WE HAVE LOST SOMETHING REALLY DRAMATIC IN SERVING THE PUBLIC WITH TAX DOLLARS IN ALLOWING SO MUCH WORK FROM HOME AND TELEWORK. 
          SO I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AS AN ISSUE. 
          SO I APPRECIATE YOU HAVING PROVIDED THIS RESEARCH AND THIS INFORMATION. 
          I'M NOT SURE THAT THE, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTIVE IS IN OUR PURVIEW, BUT I CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PERSONNEL ROLES. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR, STEWART. 
          SORRY, MY COMPUTER JUST COMPLETELY FROZE UP. 
          SO, UM, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY IS WHETHER WE TAKE THIS TO COUNCIL OR WE REFER IT TO CITY MANAGER TO BE REVIEWED, WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS TODAY? SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THE, THE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS A DIRECTIVE TO OUR CITY, UH, MANAGER ON HOW WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, THE POLICY AROUND, UM, TELEWORK. 
          BUT I THINK THAT IS A DIRECTIVE THAT SHOULD COME FROM FULL COUNSEL. 
          SO, I MEAN, YEAH, I THINK, UM, WE WOULD, UH, DEFINITELY HAVE A RECOMMENDATION AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL AND MOVE THAT FORWARD TO FULL COUNSEL FOR THEM TO ALL WEIGH IN. 
          AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS ALLOW ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, TO, TO WEIGH IN AT, AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL AS WELL. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THEN WE CAN MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION AND, AND GO FORWARD. 
          I'M SORRY, I JUST DON'T HAVE THE PAPERWORK IN FRONT OF ME BECAUSE I TYPICALLY DON'T PRINT. 
          I TRY TO SAVE PAPER AND THAT WAS NOT A GOOD MOVE TODAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE CAN, WE'LL COME BACK. 
          UH, CHAIR JOHNSON, CAN WE, THIS MAY SEEM A LITTLE GREAT, BUT CAN, CAN, CAN THEY DEFINE TELE, UH, ? BECAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE MY, MY MIND IS NOT THE TELEWORK IS THIS JUST CONTINUALLY WORK FOR HOME ON A CONSTANT BASIS. 
          BASIS. 
          UH, HOW OFTEN, HOW OFTEN IS THAT HAPPENING? BECAUSE I'VE, I'VE HEARD CHAIR MENDELSON SAY NUMEROUS OCCASIONS THAT SHE HAS WALKED THROUGH THE BUILDING AND IS, HAS BEEN EMPTY. 
          SO, SO HOW MANY, AND I BELIEVE HER, BUT HOW MANY, UM, HOW MANY TIMES IN HR IS PEOPLE WORKING FROM HOME? BECAUSE I ALSO HEARD, I THINK IF I'M CORRECT, MS. NINA FROM HR SAY THAT THAT WAS AN, UM, AN UH, INCENTIVE THAT NOW THAT IT GIVES MORE PEOPLE, MORE PEOPLE WANT TO WORK HERE. 
          IF THEY KNOW THEY CAN, THEY CAN WORK FROM HOME. 
          I, I DON'T, I HOPE I'M NOT MISQUOTING HER, BUT IS THAT WHAT WAS, DO ANYONE REMEMBER THAT'S BEING SAID BESIDE ME? UH, SO TELL ME THAT INCENTIVE PLEASE. 
          OF COURSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WE DON'T HAVE, UM, AN AGREEMENT PER SE FOR EACH CASE. 
          IT'S EACH CASE BASIS DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF JOB. 
          UH, ALSO DONE OR PERFORMED BY, BY THE POSITION. 
          UM, THERE ARE SOME POSITIONS THAT, UM, WE REQUIRE MAY REQUIRE MORE FLEXIBILITY TO ATTRACT THE TALENT THAT WE NEED. 
          SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME POSITIONS THAT CAN BE DONE REMOTELY, BUT THERE'S NO SPECIFIC, UM, AGREEMENTS LIKE THE DEPARTMENTS ALLOW THESE AGREEMENTS, UM, CASE BY 
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CASE BASIS DEPENDS ON THE OPERATIONAL NEEDS THAT THEY HAVE. 
          ALSO, UM, IT'S NOT REALLY ALLOWING PEOPLE, UH, WORK REMOTELY. 
          WE PROVIDE LIKE AN HYBRID AND THEN REQUIRE THEM TO BE AS NEEDED IN THE OFFICE. 
          BUT THE TELEWORK AGREEMENT IS A FORMAL WAY OF MAKING SURE THAT THERE IS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE ORGANIZATION AND THE PERSON TO ALLOW THEM TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE HERE WHEN, UM, THEY AGREE TO BE HERE AND THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO WORK REMOTELY, UM, WHEN THEY WANT. 
          BUT IT'S NOT REALLY LIKE, UM, BLANK STATEMENT. 
          LIKE, YOU CAN WORK WHEREVER YOU WANT. 
          UM, IT'S A, IT'S A FORMAL AGREEMENT AND, UM, I CAN, CAN GIVE THE DEFINITIONS. 
          UM, SURE. 
          83 DASH 80 IS, IS THE ONE, IT'S ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTIVE, THREE DASH 80 IS THE ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTIVE ON TELEWORK AND THE WAY IT'S SET UP CURRENTLY, DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR DECIDING WHETHER TO, UM, HAVE THEIR DEPARTMENTS PARTICIPATE IN TELEWORK. 
          AND IT ALSO INCLUDES A SCHEDULE RESTRICTIONS ON DAYS, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO IF, IF I MAY TO ADD, UM, TO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE FORMALLY ON THE TELEWORK THAT WAS REPORTED BEFORE, UM, WE HAD A PAPER TRAIL FOR THAT ON A PDF THAT WAS, UH, CAPTURED BY HR AND PUT IT ON THEIR EMPLOYEE FILES. 
          SO NOW WE ARE MOVING THESE, UH, FORMAL TELEWORK AGREEMENT TO OUR SYSTEM WORKDAY. 
          WE'RE IN THE FINAL STAGES OF DOING TESTING. 
          SO NOW IF THERE IS A TELEWORK AGREEMENT IS GONNA BE IN THE SYSTEM AND THAT IS GONNA ALLOW MORE REPORTING AND OVERLOOK. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, VIGILANCE FROM AN HR PERSPECTIVE, FROM A DEPARTMENT PERSPECTIVE, OR EVEN FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, UM, TO KNOW WHO IS ON AN ACTIVE TELEWORK AGREEMENT, WHAT A TELEWORK AGREEMENT IS, UH, WHO APPROVE IT. 
          AND THEN IF THEY GO, THE PERSON GOES TO A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT OR A DIFFERENT POSITION THAT CAN ALWAYS BE EITHER TERMINATED OR MODIFIED AS NEEDED. 
          SO WE ARE MOVING THAT, UM, TO HAVE MORE CONTROL. 
          GOTCHA. 
          AND CHAIR, WHAT, WELL, WHAT ARE WE ASKING TO, BECAUSE I, NOT I, , WHAT ARE WE ASKING? SO TODAY, THE WAY IT'S LISTED ON THE AGENDA IS TO RECOMMEND DIRECTION ON HOW TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. 
          AND SO WE HAVE A, A COUPLE OPTIONS. 
          WE CAN, UH, AMEND OUR PERSONNEL RULES IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE, THE COMMITTEE WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, OR WE CAN, UM, GIVE A DIRECTIVE, UH, TO THE CITY MANAGER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, HERE'S MY THOUGHT ON TELEWORK. 
          I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO COME TO WORK. 
          I THINK THAT WE HAVE ABUSED COVID, UM, OR THE THINGS THAT, THE TOOLS THAT WE USED TO SUPPORT COVID, UH, WHEN WE COULD NOT WORK, UH, FACE TO FACE. 
          I THINK THAT, UM, OUR BEST JOB IS WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO GO NEXT DOOR TO GET, UH, INPUT VERSUS CONTACTING SOMEBODY. 
          I'VE, I'VE CONTACTED PEOPLE ON WHAT THEY CALL MICROSOFT TEAM AND I'M NOT BEING ABLE TO GET A WHOLE LOT OF FOLKS. 
          UM, SO I DON'T, I DON'T, I'M OLD FASHIONED. 
          I THINK IF I'M COMING TO WORK, YOU NEED TO COME TO WORK IN MY OFFICE. 
          IN MY OFFICE, THEY'LL TELL YOU. 
          I DON'T, I DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO WORKING FROM HOME. 
          'CAUSE WHEN YOU WORK FROM HOME, YOU'RE NOT WORKING, YOU'RE BEING DISTRACTED. 
          SO, UH, I WOULD, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE SUGGESTION, BUT I WOULD JUST BE LIKE, EVERYBODY COME WORK. 
          SO IF THAT'S A, DO WE NEED TO TELL THE CITY MANAGER THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS, OR DO WE ARE, OR THIS COMMITTEE IS SAYING, OR ARE WE SUGGESTING THAT IT GOES TO FULL COUNCIL FOR A DEBATE? 'CAUSE IF IT, IF IT'S JUST WITH THIS C COMMITTEE, THEN I WOULD SAY TELL EVERYBODY TO COME BACK TO WORK. 
          I MEAN, I THINK THEN THE MAYOR PLACED OUT SOMETHING OUT WITH COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT WE COULD NOT EVEN DO THE COMMITTEE, UH, ONLINE THAT WE HAD TO COME TO WORK. 
          SO I, I WOULD FOLLOW THAT SAME PROTOCOL THAT HE HAD SET FOR US, THAT SET FOR THEM THAT EVERYBODY JUST NEED TO COME TO WORK. 
          SO I WOULD JUST SAY, LET'S JUST TELL THE CITY MANAGER THIS COMMITTEE THAT WE WANT EVERYBODY TO BE AT WORK NOW. 
          I'M JUST GOING, BUT WHATEVER THE BODY WANTS TO DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          ENA, I TEND TO AGREE WITH CHAIR JOHNSON. 
          I, UM, I COME TO COME IN EVERY DAY. 
          MY STAFF COMES IN EVERY DAY. 
          UM, WE CAME IN EVEN DURING COVID. 
          UM, I KNOW THERE'S TIMES, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE MAY BE, ARE SOME, SOME CERTAIN POSITIONS THAT COULD DO TELEWORK, BUT I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THEM, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE CITY IS SO PUBLIC FACING, WE NEED TO BE PRESENT FOR OUR RESIDENTS. 
          UM, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT STOP BY ALL THE TIME AND, UM, YOU KNOW, MY STAFF 
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WILL GO OUT THERE, TALK TO THEM. 
          WE'LL GIVE THEM A TOUR IF THEY, IF THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, IF THE BUILDING. 
          UM, BUT WE DO OUR BEST TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE OUR RESIDENTS AND BE PRESENT, UM, IF WE'RE ABLE TO. 
          AND SO I WOULD HOPE THAT THE REST OF, YOU KNOW, THE CITY STAFF WOULD, WOULD BE THE SAME. 
          AND I KNOW THEY ARE. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I'VE WORKED WITH SO MANY DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEARS AND, UM, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO SHOW UP AT CITY HALL OR WHEREVER YOUR PLACE OF WORK IS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COMMITTEE MEMBERS. 
          AND SO AGAIN, I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE OPTIONS HERE. 
          I THINK THE CLEANEST VERSION IS, UH, CHANGING OUR PERSONNEL RULES AND CODIFYING THAT AT A FUTURE, UM, COMMITTEE MEETING OR IF THAT CAN BE DONE TODAY. 
          AND I COUNSEL'S LOOKING AT ME, SO I'LL LET THEM WEIGH IN. 
          YOU WOULD, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU WANNA GO TO, IT WOULD BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO, TO CHANGE THE, UM, CITY CODE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? AND IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, GO AHEAD. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, WHAT YOU JUST SAID TO, UH, CHANGE THE CITY CODE AND THEN GO TO FULL COUNCIL FOR, UH, A DEBATE. 
          THAT'S MY MOTION. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? YES, I THINK, I'M SORRY. 
          CHAIR JOHNSON, I UNDERSTAND THAT SHE SAID INCENTIVE, BUT I BELIEVE WE COULD FIND A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD LOVE TO COME TO WORK AND MAKE GOOD MONEY TO, AND TO SERVE CITY, THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS. 
          SO, UM, THOSE THAT WANT INCENTIVE, THEY CAN FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO GO CHAIR STEWART. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE SO WE CAN TAKE THIS ACTION OF A RECOMMENDATION. 
          YOU, WE WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT HOW WE COULDN'T TAKE ACTION AT THIS. 
          THIS ONE IS POSTED AS, UH, AN ITEM THAT CAN BE, IT'S AN ACTION ITEM. 
          AN AND IT SAYS DISCUSS AND RECOMMEND OPTIONS. 
          SO IT SAYS, DISCUSS AND RECOMMEND DIRECTION ON POTENTIAL REVISIONS TO WORK FROM HOME POLICY AND PROCEDURES. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST KNOW WE HAD AN EARLIER ITEM WHERE WE COULDN'T TAKE AN ACTION AND YES. 
          THAT ONE WAS, WAS PER POSTED AS A BRIEFING ITEM. 
          MY EITHER, MY WHOLE AGENDA IS YOU CAN OR YOU CAN'T. 
          AND SO, AND I LIKE TO ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION TO DO THAT. 
          SO I PUT IT AT THE TOP THAT ANY ITEMS YOU CAN TAKE ACTION ON ANYWAY. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          I'LL JUST VOTE ON, ON THE RECOMMENDATION CHAIR. 
          MIDDLETON, WELL FIRST I WANNA SAY CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS ITEM UP. 
          UM, IT REALLY DOES TAKE SOME BOLD LEADERSHIP TO ADDRESS THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA BE PARTICULARLY POPULAR WITH THE EMPLOYEES. 
          AND SO I JUST WANNA COMMEND YOU FOR, FOR TAKING THAT STEP. 
          UM, BUT SECOND, I WANNA UNDERSTAND THE MOTION AND IS THE MOTION TO, UM, BRING FORWARD AN A, A CHANGE TO THE PERSONNEL RULES? OR IS IT TO BRING IT BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS THE PERSONNEL RULES? I THINK IT, UH, THE MOTION WAS TO GO TO THE FULL COUNSEL. 
          Y YOU CAN DO IT EITHER WAY AS, UH, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO ANSWER WAS THAT THIS, THIS BODY CAN'T DECIDE TO MAKE THE PERSONNEL RULE CHANGES. 
          IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO FULL COUNSEL. 
          SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BRING THE ITEM BACK AND HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS, UH, INCLUDING SOME POTENTIAL REVISIONS TO THE PERSONNEL RULES, AND THEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL, YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. 
          WELL, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY WHAT IT IS WE'RE BRINGING TO THE FULL COUNCIL. 
          AND IS IT JUST AN ELIMINATION OF TELEWORK OR IS AN ELIMINATION OF TELEWORK PLUS, UM, OCCASIONAL WORK FROM HOME? UM, OR IS IT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IS IT, WELL, WE'LL DO WORK FROM HOME ON LIKE BAD WEATHER DAYS. 
          WE HAD THAT IN JANUARY, RIGHT? I THINK JANUARY 26TH. 
          UM, SO IT'S ONLY WHEN IT'S A DESIGN, YOU KNOW, CITY HALL IS CLOSED THAT DAY, SO WE ASK PEOPLE TO WORK FROM HOME. 
          UM, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EXACTLY WHAT IT IS WE'RE ASKING FOR. 
          UM, I'M GOOD. 
          IF THE MOTION IS TO SAY WE NO LONGER DO TELEWORK AND TO COME UP WITH SOME PHASING OUT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE CURRENTLY, UM, IN THAT SITUATION, WHICH I BELIEVE, UM, NINA, YOU HAVE PREVIOUSLY SAID IT WAS 89, BUT I'LL JUST GIVE YOU THIS EXAMPLE. 
          OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, DEPARTMENT, ALL BUT TWO PEOPLE WORK FROM HOME ON TELEWORK AGREEMENTS ACCORDING TO THE NUMBERS YOU GAVE ME. 
          UM, AND THE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE IN THEIR DEPARTMENT. 
          ALL BUT TWO, THERE'S LIKE NO ONE THERE. 
          CHAIR JOHNSON. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A CLARITY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          YOU'RE SAYING AT IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, ONLY TWO PEOPLE COME TO WORK. 
          CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I MEAN, WE HAVE OTHER DEPARTMENTS WITH SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT HERE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S ONLY THE ONES THAT HAVE A FORMAL AGREEMENT. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF IT WORK FROM HOME THAT'S HAPPENING WITH NO FORMAL AGREEMENT. 
          AND THAT MEANS THERE'S NO MEASUREMENT OF 
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HOW THEIR PERFORMANCES. 
          NOW CERTAINLY THE MANAGERS ARE STILL DOING A PERFORMANCE REVIEW, BUT USUALLY YOU HAVE DIFFERENT KINDS OF MEASUREMENTS WHEN SOMEBODY IS DOING WORK FROM HOME. 
          AND I BELIEVE WE ARE ALL AWARE THAT THERE MAY BE EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE WORKED FOR THE CITY THAT HAD A FULL OTHER FULL-TIME JOB. 
          I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT HAPPENED. 
          SO, UM, I'M GOOD. 
          IF THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO ALLOW THE CHAIR TO WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO AMEND THOSE PERSONNEL RULES TO SAY WE DO NOT SUPPORT TELEWORK POSITIONS AND THAT WE GIVE DIRECTION TO THE MANAGER TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WORK FROM HOME, NOT AS TELEWORK, BUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? DOES THAT MEAN FOR SEVERE WEATHER INCIDENCES? DOES THAT MEAN FOR, YOU KNOW, A DA ACCOMMODATIONS? THERE'S TIMES WHERE WE MIGHT NEED TO DO THAT FOR FOLKS. 
          OR IS IT YOU JUST COME IN ON WEDNESDAYS 'CAUSE IT'S A COUNCIL MEETING, BUT THE OTHER FOUR DAYS YOU'RE DOING WORK FROM HOME? NO, MY MOTION WAS WHAT YOU SAID. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          TO GIVE CHAIR THE, UH, THE GO AHEAD TO SPEAK WITH THE CITY MANAGER BECAUSE I BELIEVE PEOPLE NEED TO COME TO WORK. 
          SO, SO BOTH, HOW DO YOU WANNA PHRASE THAT? ? SO BOTH TO AMEND THE PERSONNEL RULES, WE'LL GO TO THE FULL COUNCIL, BUT ALSO TO, UM, WORK WITH THE CITY MANAGER TO CLARIFY STAFF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH WORK FROM HOME. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M I'M VERY MUCH FOR THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          WE'LL WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 
          UH, NEXT ITEM IS ITEM F. 
          UH, YES, THEN WE GET TO THE VOTE. 
          SORRY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? NAY. 
          OKAY, ONE NAY. 
          UH, MOTION CARRIES. 
          OKAY. 
          SOUND GOOD. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          I WILL BRIEFLY ADDRESS ITEM E, WHICH IS CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS. 
          STUFF WORKS. 
          I'LL WAIT FOR MY PRESENTATION TO COME FORWARD. 
          I'LL GO AHEAD AND START. 
          IT'S JUST A COUPLE OF SLIDES ON CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS GEARED TOWARDS TEXAS HOME RULE CITIES AS, UM, OTHER CITIES ARE NOT ALLOWED TO, UM, HAVE RULES OUTSIDE OF THE STATE. 
          ONLY HOME RULE CITIES, UM, ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE RESOLUTIONS OR ORDINANCES WHEN IT COMES TO CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS OTHER THAN THE STATES REQUIREMENTS. 
          SLIDE TWO KEY POINTS, NO STATEWIDE CONTRIBUTION LIMITS FOR MUNICIPAL CITY ELECTIONS. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS, UM, THE STATE DOES NOT HAVE LIMITS IN GENERAL ON MUNICIPAL CITY ELECTIONS TO LIMITS EXIST ONLY IF ADOPTED LOCALLY. 
          HOME RULE AUTHORITY, MANY TEXAS HOME RULE CITIES DO NOT IMPOSE CAPS. 
          THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 350 HOME RULE CITIES. 
          AND IF THERE ARE NO RULES ADOPTED FOR ANY OF THOSE CITIES, THE DEFAULT IS UNLIMITED CONTRIBUTIONS. 
          AGAIN, UNLESS RESTRICTED SLIDE THREE. 
          THESE FOUR CITIES HERE ARE THE ONLY, AGAIN, THIS IS IN TEXAS, TEXAS CITIES THAT HAVE CAMPAIGN CON DOLLAR AMOUNT, CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION LIMITS. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE HOUSTON, THE MAYOR LIMIT IS 5,000 COUNCIL. 
          THEY'RE THE SAME 5,000 AUSTIN, $500 FOR, UH, BOAT MAYOR AND COUNCIL CITY OF DALLAS. 
          UM, 5,000 FOR THE MAYOR, 1000 FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS SAN ANTONIO, 1000 FOR THE MAYOR, 500 FOR COUNCIL. 
          UM, SINGLE SEATS ABOUT 1.1, 1.1% OF TEXAS HOME RULE CITIES ACTUALLY HAVE DOLLAR AMOUNTS. 
          THAT'S THESE FOUR CITIES OVER THE 350. 
          OUT OF THE 350 CITIES THAT ACTUALLY HAVE CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION LIMITS. 
          AGAIN, DOLLAR AMOUNTS. 
          THE NEXT SLIDE, AND I DID ADMIT FOR I WAS IN MY RUSH, I LEFT OFF FORT WORTH, BUT THESE CITIES, UM, DO NOT HAVE CAMPAIGN CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION LIMITS. 
          HOWEVER, THEY MAY HAVE, UM, UM, ETHICS ORDINANCE OR A RESOLUTION THAT PROVIDES SOME TYPE OF PARAMETERS, BUT NO OTHER CITIES BESIDES THOSE, BESIDES THOSE FOUR HAVE CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION LIMITS. 
          I ALSO, UH, LEFT OFF ON THIS SLIDE. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS ESTABLISHED THE FIRST ESTABLISHED CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION LIMIT WAS AROUND 1977. 
          THE LIMITS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY UNDER NOW, UH, WAS MADE IN I BELIEVE 1991. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? 
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UH, CHAIR JOHNSON. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, HOW, HOW OLD IS OUR CURRENT STATUS THAT WE GO BY RIGHT NOW? IT WAS ESTABLISHED, THE CURRENT LIMITS WERE ESTABLISHED IN 19 91, 19 91. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I WAS A FRESHMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL IN 1991, . 
          UH, AND, AND I KNOW DEFINITELY THE COST OF LIVING HAS GONE UP. 
          I KNOW IN THE SCHOOL BOARD THERE IS NO LIMIT, UH, IN SCHOOL BOARD ALL BUT HOW, HOWEVER, UH, I DO BELIEVE THAT, UM, WITH THE, THE CHANGE OF, UH, TIME WITH, WITH COLA AND ALSO WITH NOW THAT ELECTIONS ARE GOING TO NOVEMBER, UH, INSTEAD OF MAY. 
          UH, I, I THINK THAT, UH, NUMBER ONE IS VERY EXPENSIVE NOW TO DO MELON. 
          THE MELON IS NOT THE SAME. 
          AND, AND SOME MY COLLEAGUES PROBABLY TALK ABOUT ALL OF THIS, UH, UH, CANVASSING IS NOT THE SAME AND THE PRICES HAVE TREMENDOUSLY INCREASED SINCE 1991. 
          SO, UH, CHAIR, CAN I GIVE WHAT I THINK A, A FAIR NUMBER WOULD BE? OKAY. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST OR THINK THAT A FAIR NUMBER, I CAN'T SAY SUGGEST, I'M SORRY. 
          I WOULD THINK THAT A FAIR NUMBER WOULD BE FOR A COUNCIL IS 5,000, UH, BASED OFF THE COUNCIL, BASED OFF, NOW ELECTIONS ARE IN NOVEMBER. 
          UM, MAILING IS EXPENSIVE, CANVAS'S INEXPENSIVE, JUST RUN THE CAMPAIGN AS A WHOLE IS EXPENSIVE. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION. 
          UH, FOR OUR, FOR OUR COUNCIL. 
          I THINK THE MAYOR, UH, THE MAYOR'S, UH, ELECTION PROBABLY WILL BE, I SAY 10,000, MAYBE STAY THE SAME. 
          SOME MAY GO UP TO 15. 
          UH, BUT I THINK DEFINITELY THE COUNCIL BASED OFF THE NEW ELECTIONS TIMEFRAME AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF THAT'S, THAT HAS TRANSPIRED SINCE 1991 AND EVERYTHING IS MORE, I THINK IN 1991 YOU CAN GET A STAMP WITH, WHAT, 25 CENTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, . 
          IT'S A LOT DIFFERENT NOW. 
          SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION CHAIR. 
          UM, BASED OFF THE TIMEFRAME THAT THE ORIGINAL CHARTER WAS DONE, AND THEN WITH THE NEW ELECTION STATUS THAT WE JUST APPROVED. 
          CHAIR JOHNSON, DID YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE MAYORS? UH, I WOULD SAY LEAVE IT THE SAME OR LEMME SAY 12 FIVE, 12,500. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR STEWART. 
          I CONCUR WITH CHAIR JOHNSON THAT WE NEED TO, UH, INCREASE THE COUNCIL LIMIT FOR SURE. 
          I, I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD TOUCH BASE WITH THE MAYOR TO SEE, OR WITH OTHER MAYORS OR JUST HAVEN'T GET SOME KIND OF IDEA ON WHAT, UM, THEIR CAMPAIGN EXPERIENCE IS AND WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD NUMBER THERE. 
          BUT, UM, I WOULD SUPPORT A CHANGE ON THE COUNCIL LIMIT TO 5,000. 
          UM, I, YEAH, TO 5,000. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, CHAIR MIDDLESTON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WELL, I'M JUST VERY GLAD I'LL NEVER HAVE TO DO ANOTHER CAMPAIGN. 
          UM, I'LL START WITH THAT, BUT, UM, MY DEFAULT IS ACTUALLY MATH. 
          SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT A THOUSAND DOLLARS IN 1990 $1, UM, THAT'S ABOUT $2,400 TODAY. 
          SO TO ME, YOU KNOW, MOVING TO A $2,500 NUMBER REALLY GIVES THE SAME INTENT THAT, UM, WAS THERE BEFORE. 
          ON THE MAYOR'S SIDE, $5,000 IS ABOUT $12,000 TODAY. 
          UM, SO HOW MUCH? 12, 12,000. 
          UM, SO FOR ME, THOSE TWO NUMBERS ARE VERY ACCEPTABLE. 
          THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT INFLATION AND, AND JUST THE GROWTH. 
          BUT THE IDEA THAT, UM, THE MOVE TO NOVEMBER WILL MAKE ELECTIONS MORE EXPENSIVE IS REAL. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT MORE VOTERS, THERE'S A LOT MORE OUTREACH THAT HAS TO HAPPEN. 
          IF YOU'RE DOING A MAILER TO LIKELY VOTERS, YOUR LIST WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER, UH, NUMBER OF, OF MAILERS THAN YOU WOULD'VE HAD BEFORE. 
          SO, I MEAN, I'M EVEN WILLING TO GO TO DOUBLE THAT. 
          SO IF WE WANT TO GO TO 5,000 FOR THE COUNCIL LIMIT AND 25,000 FOR THE MAYOR LIMIT, I THINK THAT'S FINE. 
          UM, BEYOND THAT, I THINK IT REALLY TAKES AWAY THE IDEA OF WHAT THE PURPOSE OF HAVING A LIMIT IS, WHICH IS THAT WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE, UM, PEOPLE WITH ENORMOUS WEALTH THAT COME BEFORE US VERY FREQUENTLY. 
          MANY OF THEM ALREADY 
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DONATE TO US AND ME INCLUDED, UM, I CERTAINLY DON'T NECESSARILY VOTE IN THEIR FAVOR, SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY KEEP DONATING TO ME. 
          BUT, UM, THE IDEA THOUGH, THAT ONLY PEOPLE OF WEALTH CAN MAKE A VERY MEANINGFUL CONTRIBUTION IS CONTRARY TO I THINK, OUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT. 
          SO I WOULD LOVE TO KEEP IT NO MORE THAN 5,000 FOR A COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          UM, AND THE ONLY THING THAT WE REALLY DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IS HOW THAT ALSO MIGHT CHANGE A PACK CONTRIBUTION, RIGHT? SO RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT A $2,500 PACK LIMIT ON THE COUNCIL LEVEL. 
          AND IS IT 5,000 FOR THE MAYOR? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          UM, SO THAT MIGHT ALSO NEED TO BE MODIFIED OR SHOULD BE CONSIDERED TO BE MODIFIED. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, MOVE THE PACK TO THE SAME AS THE INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTION WITH THE 5,000 SINCE THAT WOULD DOUBLE THEIR, THEIR CONTRIBUTION. 
          UM, BUT I THINK, I THINK THOSE ARE REASONABLE GIVEN THE SCENARIO. 
          AND AGAIN, I FEEL I'M A DISINTERESTED PARTY NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CHAIR CENA, COUNCIL MEMBER CADENA. 
          WELL, I DISAGREE. 
          I THINK THAT, UM, I COUNCIL SHOULD REMAIN ABOUT A THOUSAND, NO MORE THAN 1,500. 
          THE MAYOR THE SAME. 
          AND I THINK PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE I CAME FROM A DISTRICT THAT, UM, HAD A LOT OF MONEY INVESTED IN SEVERAL CAMPAIGNS, AND WHAT IT REALLY CAME DOWN TO WAS, UM, BEING INVOLVED IN YOUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND, UM, I REMEMBER WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER NAR VICE WON, HE WAS OUTSPENT 10 TO ONE. 
          AND SO IT WASN'T REALLY ABOUT THE MONEY. 
          AND I, YOU KNOW, MY CAMPAIGN, I HAD NINE PEOPLE IN MY RACE AND, UM, THE A THOUSAND DOLLARS LIMIT WAS, WAS JUST FINE. 
          I HAD NO PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER. 
          UM, GOT OUT THERE, UM, AND, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SO IT WAS, THE LIMITS THAT I HAD WERE, WERE FAIRLY EASY. 
          AND, UM, SO FOR ME, I, I SEE NO NEED FOR A CHANGE REALLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR THE CONVERSATION. 
          UM, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LIMITS AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT FROM 1991 TO TODAY, I'M GONNA SAY $2,500, $2,400, IF WE WERE KEEPING THE ELECTIONS IN MAY, THAT'S THE NUMBER I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH. 
          HOWEVER, WE'RE MOVING THESE ELECTIONS TO NOVEMBER. 
          UH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BIGGER, UH, POOL OF, UM, OF RESIDENTS TO REACH. 
          AND SO I, I'M OPEN TO THE 5,000, UH, THRESHOLD. 
          UM, AND WE'LL CONTINUE DISCUSSING THE, THE ONE ON THE MAYOR. 
          I THINK THAT WE SHOULD, UH, GET SOME FEEDBACK THERE AS WELL. 
          UM, AND THEN PAX, THAT'S A, A GREAT, UH, AND, AND CAN YOU OFFER ME, UH, I MAKE A CLARIFICATION. 
          WELL, ACTUALLY I'LL OMI IT. 
          SO IT IS FOR INDIVIDUAL, UM, 20 505,000. 
          2,500 FOR A SINGLE COUNCIL MEMBER, 5,000 FOR A MAYOR. 
          BUT FOR THE TOTAL PAC ITSELF, THERE'S A $2,500 LIMIT FOR INDIVIDUAL. 
          THIS IS FROM THE TOTAL PACK AND 10,000 FOR THE MAYOR. 
          SO THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CONTRIBUTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          CAMP INDIVIDUAL CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS, YOUR INDIVIDUAL PACK, AND THEN YOUR TOTAL PACK. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MADAM CITY SECRETARY IS, OR THE PACS, UM, DO THEY HAVE REGULATION AT THE STATE LEVEL ON, UH, MAX CONTRIBUTIONS OR IS THAT ALSO A COUNCIL, UH, RULE? IT'S A, A CITY OF DALLAS COUNCIL RULE. 
          THERE ARE NO LIMITS, UM, AT THE STATE LEVEL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND SO WHETHER WE, UH, LIKE IT OR NOT, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE OUR CAMPAIGN ACCOUNTS AND OUR OFFICE HOLDER ACCOUNTS, UM, RIGHT. 
          UH, AND, AND, AND THERE'S REASONS WHY A LOT OF COUNCIL MEMBERS DON'T HAVE OFFICE HOLDER ACCOUNTS. 
          I THINK THIS CLEANS UP A LOT OF THAT. 
          AND SOME, I DON'T KNOW IF THE, IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO ELIMINATE CAMPAIGN ACCOUNTS AND ONLY KEEP THE, UM, OR GO AWAY WITH THE OFFICE HOLDER ACCOUNT, MR. CHAIR, WE WILL NEED TO COME BACK TO YOU ON CAMPAIGN AND OFFICE HOLDER ACCOUNTS. 
          UH, I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO, UH, SPEAK WITH OUR ATTORNEYS ON, UM, THOSE TWO ACCOUNTS. 
          I DO HAVE CLARIFICATION FROM THE STATE ON THOSE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND THAT WE, WE DO NEED TO BRING THAT BACK TO YOU GUYS. 
          OKAY. 
          AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS JUST A, A DISCUSSION ITEM, UM, REGARDLESS TODAY. 
          UH, BUT I, I DO BELIEVE THAT, UM, IF THERE'S THE ABILITY TO REMOVE THAT, 
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UH, ACCOUNT, IT MAKES IT CLEANER FOR EVERYBODY. 
          THERE'S MORE TRANSPARENCY THERE. 
          THERE'S, UH, REAL HARD, UM, LIMITS RIGHT NOW. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THOSE RIGHT NOW. 
          SOMEONE CAN, UH, PUT IN A THOUSAND DOLLARS INTO THE CAMPAIGN ACCOUNT AND I BELIEVE TAKE, UH, ANY NUMBER WHEN IT COMES TO OFFICE HOLDERS. 
          SO WE DO HAVE, UH, UNLIMITED, UH, ACCOUNT CONTRIBUTIONS CURRENTLY. 
          UM, AGAIN, A LOT OF COUNCIL MEMBERS CHOOSE NOT TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S TRANSPARENT AND IT'S CLEAN. 
          UM, AND SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING. 
          UH, CHAIR DELSON, HOW MANY COUNCIL MEMBERS CURRENTLY HAVE AN OFFICE HELP HOLDER ACCOUNT? THAT IS SOMETHING THEY DON'T HAVE TO, WE REALLY NEED TO BRING THIS BACK, BUT RIGHT NOW AS IT STANDS, WE DON'T TRACK. 
          UM, OUR OFFICE DOESN'T REALLY TRACK WHICH INDIVIDUALS HAVE AN OFFICE HOLDER ACCOUNT VERSUS A CAMPAIGN ACCOUNT. 
          IT IS INDICATED IF AN OFFICE HOLDER, UM, IF YOU'RE RECEIVING CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS ON THE REPORT, BECAUSE THAT IS A REQUIREMENT THAT THE COUNCIL MADE A FEW YEARS AGO. 
          BUT AS FAR AS THE, THE STATE, UM, THE STATE DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT THAT INFORMATION HAS TO BE TRACKED OR DIS EVEN DISCLOSED TO, WE DON'T HAVE TO TRACK THAT INFORMATION. 
          AND DIDN'T THE OFFICE HOLDER ACCOUNTS BEGIN, UM, WITH MAYOR RAWLINGS? ISN'T THAT RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          THE OFFICE HOLDER, IF AN, IF AN INDIVIDUAL, IF AN OFFICE HOLDER'S RECEIVING MONEY FOR THAT, THEY WANT TO, UM, FOR THEIR OFFICE HOLDER ACCOUNT, THEN UH, THEY NEED TO INDICATE IT ON THEIR, UM, WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE INPUTTING THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS. 
          AND THAT WAS MADE, UM, IN 2015 OR 2017, I BELIEVE. 
          2015. 
          AND THE USE OF CAMPAIGN FUNDS, UM, IN A CAMPAIGN ACCOUNT ARE RESTRICTED TO, UH, A LIST OF AVAILABLE USES. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          BUT IN THE OFFICE HOLDER ACCOUNT, IT'S A MUCH MORE OPEN, UM, USE OF FUNDS. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? I'M NOT SURE. 
          IT, IT HAS TO BE FOR OFFER OFFICE HOLDER EXPENSES, SO I'M NOT, AS LONG AS IT FITS UNDER THE OFFICE HOLDER. 
          UM, IT'S AN EXPENSE THAT FALLS UNDER YOUR BEING IN OFFICE IF THAT'S, YEAH, I CAN'T SAY THAT IT'S WIDESPREAD. 
          I THINK IT'S ANY EXPENSE TIED TO YOU BEING IN, IN, IN THAT PARTICULAR OFFICE THAT YOU CAN USE THOSE, THAT MONEY, THOSE FUNDS FOR PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING. 
          YES, I DO URGE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA, MR. CHAIR. 
          WELL, I, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT FORWARD, CHAIR MORENO, AND, UM, LOOK FORWARD TO THAT DISCUSSION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CHAIR STEWART. 
          UH, CHAIR JOHNSON. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CENA. 
          I THINK THE ONLY THING, THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY IS JUST THAT WE DO NEED TO BE CAREFUL, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH ETHICS, CORRUPTION INFLUENCE IN OUR DISTRICTS BY RAISING THE LIMITS. 
          UM, YOU LOOK AT STATEWIDE RACES WHO RELY ON SMALL DONATIONS, AND IT SAYS A LOT WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE DONATIONS OF FIVE, $10. 
          SO WHILE I, I GET, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO RAISE THE LIMITS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO SERIOUSLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ABOUT INFLUENCE IN OUR DISTRICTS. 
          CHAIR, CHAIR JOHNSON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, I, AND I HEAR, UH, COUNCILMAN KADINA. 
          UM, INTEGRITY GOES A LONG WAY. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          UH, YOU HAVE SOME, AND SHE, I THINK SHE JUST SAID IT, THAT WE'LL HAVE DONE THINGS, UH, AFTER THEY'VE GOT, GOT THE ELECTION WON, AND, AND WE'VE SEEN IT. 
          WE'VE HAD, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD SOME THINGS HAPPEN, UH, OVER THE YEARS. 
          HOWEVER, UH, THIS IS NOT ABOUT INTEGRITY, IN MY OPINION. 
          THIS IS ABOUT, THIS IS JUST THE COST OF THE ELECTION AND GOING BACK TO 1991, UH, WE CAN LOOK AT OUR LIFE SPAN. 
          THINGS ARE JUST TOTALLY DIFFERENT. 
          THE COST ARE JUST TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM 1991, WHEN I USED TO BE ABLE TO GET WILLIAMS CHICKEN FOR 99 CENTS . 
          THE, EVERYTHING IS JUST MORE EXPENSIVE. 
          GROCERIES MORE EXPENSIVE, EVERYTHING IS MORE EXPENSIVE. 
          SO, UH, I AGREE WITH, UH, OUR CHAIR, THE, ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS IS, UH, MOVING TO NOVEMBER, I THINK IF IT WAS MAY, I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. 
          WE WILL BE CORRECT. 
          WE WILL BE FINE. 
          UH, BUT THE FACT THAT IT IS MOVING TO NOVEMBER TREMENDOUS AND SAID IT GREAT. 
          UH, YOU HAVE A BIGGER AUDIENCE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO REACH AND, AND I'M, I THINK I'M A VERY GRASSROOT GUY. 
          BOOTS ON THE GROUND CONSTANTLY. 
          UH, AND I MEET A LOT OF PEOPLE. 
          HOWEVER, YOU 
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STILL NEED TO HAVE THE RESOURCE TO BRING THOSE INDIVIDUALS OUT, UH, WHAT WE CALL GET OUT THE VOTE. 
          AND SO I'M VERY, UH, ADAMANT THAT WE NEED THIS, UH, IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO DO GREAT WORK IN OUR COMMUNITIES FOR ELECTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU CHAIRMAN OLSON. 
          SO I JUST HAVE ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION, AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO SAVE IT FOR THE NEXT BRIEFING, I'M CERTAINLY, UM, ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          BUT AFTER SOMEBODY, UM, IS TERMED OUT, RIGHT, THEIR CAMPAIGN ACCOUNT HAS LIMITED USES, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE OFFICE HOLDER ACCOUNT? IF THERE'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS REMAINING IN THAT ACCOUNT, WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT? YEAH, THAT IS SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO BRING BACK AND, AND REALLY DIVE DEEPER INTO THOSE TWO ACCOUNTS. 
          I CAN SAY JUST RIGHT NOW, UM, JUST BRIEFLY, YOU CAN SPEND DOWN OUT OF, UM, OUT OF, DIRECTLY OUT OF YOUR OFFICE HOLDER ACCOUNTS. 
          REMEMBER YOU HAVE THAT LIMIT THAT THE COUNCIL PLACED BACK INTO F UH, 2015 OF $100 TRANSFER FROM YOUR OFFICE HOLDER. 
          YOU CAN ONLY TRANSFER $100 OUT OF YOUR, UM, YOUR, UM, CAMPAIGN ACCOUNT TO YOUR OFFICE, UM, FROM YOUR OFFICE HOLDER ACCOUNT TO YOUR CAMPAIGN ACCOUNT. 
          UM, SO YOU, YOU ONLY HAVE THAT, THAT LIMIT KIND OF PUTS, IT'S AN OBSTACLE. 
          UM, SO THE ONLY OTHER OPTION YOU WOULD HAVE IS TO SPEND COMPLETELY DOWN OUT OF YOUR OFFICE HOLDER COUNT. 
          BUT AGAIN, I, WE REALLY NEED TO, UM, BRING THOSE TWO AND BRING THAT BACK. 
          BUT I GUESS THE POINT IS THAT SOMEBODY COULD, UM, SPEND IT WHILE THEY'RE IN THEIR REMAINING TERM, RIGHT? THEY FINISH THEIR LAST CAMPAIGN, THEY'RE SERVING OUT THEIR REMAINING TERM, BUT EVEN WHEN THEY'RE NO LONGER SERVING IN AN ELECTED ROLE, THEY MAY HAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS SITTING IN THAT. 
          AND WHAT'S IT FOR THEM THAT THAT IS, THAT IS WHY WE NEED TO COME BACK AND, AND LOOK AT, UM, IN MY OPINION, THE RULE THAT'S IN PLACE NOW WITH THE, UH, $100 LIMIT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL, I, I THINK SOME PEOPLE ARE USING THIS, UM, OVER THE YEARS FOR, UM, OTHER PURPOSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO BRINGING THIS ITEM BACK WITH SOME ADDITIONS. 
          AGAIN, I, I, I, I REALLY THINK THIS IS GOING TO ADD TO THE TRANSPARENCY, UH, BETWEEN DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN A CAMPAIGN ACCOUNT AND AN OFFICE HOLDER ACCOUNT TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE WHERE THOSE DOLLARS ARE, ARE BEING EXPENSED. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO UNDERSTANDING, UH, WE, WE KNOW, RIGHT, THAT, UH, DOLLARS DON'T NECESSARILY, UH, BY VOLUNTEERS, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO, UH, RELY ON AND HAVING INDIVIDUALS, UM, GET THE WORD OUT WITHOUT IT TAKING, UH, A, A CONTRIBUTION. 
          UM, AND SO I BELIEVE THIS STILL ALLOWS US TO HAVE, UH, AUTHENTIC ORGANIC, UH, CAMPAIGNING, UM, AND TO LOOK FORWARD TO THIS, UH, COMING BACK. 
          UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER CENA, UH, SINCE WE TALKED ABOUT THE MOVING OF ELECTIONS, CAN WE MAYBE ADD THAT INFORMATION IF WE GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT FROM THE OTHER CITIES SINCE THAT'S, THAT SEEMS TO BE A BIG TOPIC OF DISCUSSION SINCE THE ELECTIONS ARE MOVING TO NOVEMBER. 
          SEE WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING? I'M SORRY, CAN YOU EXACTLY. 
          SO IN THE INFORMATION THAT YOU PROVIDED, LIKE ALL OF THEM, UM, MY COLLEAGUES ARE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, RAISING THE LIMITS BECAUSE THE ELECTIONS ARE MOVING TO NOVEMBER. 
          SO FOR THESE CITIES, DO THEY CURRENTLY HAVE THEIR ELECTION IN NOVEMBER OR HAS IT MOVED? I GOTCHA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, THAT, UH, THAT THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION THAT WE ARE AT THE END OF OUR AGENDA. 
          THE TIME IS 5 42 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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