May 20, 2026 Council Briefing

YOU'RE WATCHING THE MEETING OF THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL WITH MAYOR ERIC L JOHNSON.

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CADENA. ADAM. BAZALDUA. LORI BLAIR. PAULA. BLACKMON.

CATHY STEWART. WILLIAM ROTH CARA MENDELSOHN. PAUL E RIDLEY.

CITY MANAGER. KIMBERLY BIZOR TOLBERT. CITY SECRETARY BILLY RAY JOHNSON AND INTERIM CITY ATTORNEY BERT VANDENBERG.

ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A QUORUM. GOOD MORNING. TODAY IS WEDNESDAY, MAY THE 20TH, 2026.

[Invocation and Pledge of Allegiance Special Presentations Open Microphone Speakers]

OUR INVOCATION. THERE HE IS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE HE WAS HERE.

OUR INVOCATION, SPEAKER, THIS MORNING IS NONE OTHER THAN MAXEY JOHNSON, WHO REPRESENTS DISTRICT FOUR ON THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL.

HE ALSO SERVES AS THE PASTOR OF THE NEW MORNING STAR MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH IN WEST DALLAS, TEXAS. I'LL NOW TURN IT OVER TO CHAIRMAN PASTOR MAXEY JOHNSON FOR OUR INVOCATION, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES FLAG AND THE TEXAS FLAG. PASTOR, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CAN WE PLEASE STAND? LET'S BOW OUR HEADS.

FATHER IN HEAVEN, WE THANK YOU THIS MORNING. WE THANK YOU, LORD, THAT YOU GAVE US ANOTHER DAY THAT WASN'T PROMISED TO US.

WE PRAISE YOU, GOD, THAT OUR BED WAS NOT COOL IN BOARD AND OUR SHEATH WAS NOT WRAPPING CLOTH THIS MORNING.

GOD, WE ASK THAT YOU BLESS US. GOD, WE ASK THAT YOU BLESS OUR CITY, BLESS OUR MAYOR AND HIS FAMILY, OUR CITY MANAGER, HER FAMILY, AND THE COUNCILMAN AND COUNCILWOMAN AND THEIR FAMILIES.

BLESS OUR COMMUNITIES, GOD. IF THERE'S EVER A TIME WE NEED YOU, LORD, WE SURE DO NEED YOU NOW.

SO GOD, WE CALL ON YOU THIS MORNING AND WE ASK THAT YOU GUIDE US.

LET US DO YOUR WILL. HELP US TO GET OUT OF THE WAY, AND LET US DO WHAT YOU'VE CALLED US TO DO, WHAT YOU'VE ANOINTED US TO DO. AND SO GOD, EVEN IN TIMES LIKE THESE, WHEN IT SEEM LIKE HATE IS TAKING OVER, SEEM LIKE DIVISION IS TAKING OVER, SEEM LIKE MORE THINGS THAT'S GOING ON IS NOT OF YOUR WILL.

GOD. WE STEP BACK AND WE SAY YES TO YOUR WILL.

NOT I WILL, LORD, BUT YOUR WILL BE DONE. AND WE SING THAT SONG THAT PRAYED AT HIM THAT SAYS, FATHER, I STRETCH MY HANDS TO THEE. NO OTHER HELP I KNOW IF THOU WITHDRAW THYSELF FROM ME, WHERE SHALL WE GO? SO, GOD, WE CALL ON YOU THIS MORNING, AND WE ASK THAT YOU BLESS US AND WE SAY THANK YOU.

WE PRAISE YOU BECAUSE YOU'VE DONE SO MUCH FOR US. GOD, WE CAN'T TELL IT ALL, BUT WE GIVE YOU GLORY THIS MORNING BECAUSE YOU'RE AN AWESOME GOD.

DESPITE OF ALL THE CHALLENGES, DESPITE OF ALL THE CIRCUMSTANCES, YOU ARE STILL GOD AND YOU'RE STILL IN CONTROL.

SO THIS MORNING WE SAY, HALLELUJAH. THIS MORNING WE SAY THANK YOU, LORD, AND WE GIVE YOU PRAISE.

NOW, GOD, AS WE MAKE DECISIONS, AS WE MAKE DECISIONS AND AS WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE DON'T UNDERSTAND, CONTINUE TO GUIDE US, DIRECT US, GOD. IN THE NAME OF JESUS, GOD, WE CALL ON YOU AND WE SAY THANK YOU.

NOW, LORD, BLESS US ONE MORE TIME AND WE GIVE YOUR NAME, ALL THE PRAISE AND ALL THE GLORY.

IT'S IN YOUR HOLY NAME WE PRAY EVERYONE SAY AMEN.

PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL, UNDER THE TEXAS FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

THANK YOU EVERYONE. YOU MAY BE SEATED. ALRIGHT.

MEMBERS, WE HAVE A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS THIS MORNING, SO BEAR WITH ME FOR A MINUTE WHILE I FIGURE OUT WHO'S GOING FIRST.

OKAY, WE HAVE A CITY MANAGER ANNOUNCEMENT OR TWO.

SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OUR CITY MANAGER, KIM TOLBERT, FOR HER RECOGNITIONS.

AND THEN WE HAVE A COUPLE COUNCIL RECOGNITIONS.

GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. OUR FIRST RECOGNITION THIS MORNING IS FOR CODE COMPLIANCE TEAM.

IF I COULD HAVE THEM TO COME DOWN FIRST, I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT THIS MORNING TO RECOGNIZE SEVERAL MEMBERS OF OUR CODE COMPLIANCE TEAM FOR THE OUTSTANDING WORK THAT THEY DO SERVING OUR RESIDENTS AND NEIGHBORHOODS EVERY SINGLE DAY.

AMY DEL TORO, ALFREDO SOMBRERO, ERIN VANESA GONZALEZ, HERNANDO CRUZ AND COSME CARRION.

RECENTLY, THE CITY RECEIVED A THOUGHTFUL NOTE FROM JAYNIE GONZALEZ WITH THE LOVE FIELD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION RECOGNIZING THE PROFESSIONALISM,

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IN HER MESSAGE, SHE SPOKE ABOUT THE WAY THIS TEAM APPROACHES THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES WITH PATIENCE, RESPECT, ATTENTION TO DETAIL, AND A STRONG SENSE OF DUTY, EVEN IN CHALLENGING AND COMPLEX SITUATIONS.

SHE ALSO EMPHASIZED THAT THEIR PROFESSIONALISM HELPS BUILD TRUST AND IMPROVE OUTCOMES FOR THE DALLAS COMMUNITY.

THIS RECOGNITION IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE SO MUCH OF THE WORK THAT OUR EMPLOYEES DO HAPPENS QUIETLY AND BEHIND THE SCENES.

IT OFTEN INVOLVES DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS, PROBLEM SOLVING, AND BALANCING THE NEEDS OF OUR RESIDENTS, NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THE CITY AS A WHOLE. WHAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE IS HOW THEY AT WORK IS ACTUALLY DONE.

AND THIS TEAM HAS CLEARLY MADE A LASTING IMPRESSION THROUGH THE WAY THEY SERVE OTHERS.

CODE COMPLIANCE PLAYS AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN PROTECTING THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND HELPING TO ENSURE THAT OUR COMMUNITIES REMAIN SAFE, CLEAN, AND CARED FOR.

AND THAT WORK DOES REQUIRE CONSISTENCY, PROFESSIONALISM, COMPASSION, AND THIS RECOGNITION OF THESE INDIVIDUALS AND THESE EMPLOYEES THIS MORNING TRULY REPRESENTS THOSE QUALITIES. SO TODAY WE WANT TO THANK AMY, ALFREDO, VANESSA, HERNANDO, AND COSME FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO AND FOR REPRESENTING THE CITY OF DALLAS SO VERY WELL.

YOUR EFFORTS MATTER. THEY ARE APPRECIATED NOT ONLY BY COUNCIL AND MYSELF, BUT BY THE RESIDENTS THAT YOU SERVE EVERY SINGLE DAY.

AND TODAY WE APPLAUD YOU FOR YOUR JOB. WELL DONE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

MR. MAYOR. WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THE GROUP COME INTO THE HORSESHOE IF IF THEY CAN.

AND WE'D LIKE TO GET A PHOTO WITH THE CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THE RAIL HERE AND ARRANGE YOURSELVES RIGHT HERE IN THE CENTER.

MR. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, WE HAVE ANOTHER RECOGNITION THIS MORNING.

I'D LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO RECOGNIZE DALLAS POLICE.

DETECTIVE DEANGELIS. IF YOU'RE HERE, JUST COME RIGHT ON DOWN.

POLICE DETECTIVE DEANGELIS HAS DONE AN EXTRAORDINARY INVESTIGATIVE WORK THAT HAS HELPED BRING JUSTICE AND CLOSURE IN A CASE THAT REMAINED UNSOLVED FOR MORE THAN THREE DECADES. IN 1991, AN EIGHT YEAR OLD CHILD WAS KIDNAPED AND ASSAULTED IN PLANO BEFORE BEING RELEASED MILES AWAY FROM HOME.

AROUND THAT SAME TIME, A SIMILAR CRIME INVOLVING A NINE YEAR OLD CHILD OCCURRED IN DALLAS.

DESPITE EXTENSIVE INVESTIGATIVE EFFORTS OVER THE YEARS, BOTH CASES EVENTUALLY WENT COLD.

BUT THE WORK DID NOT STOP IN 2023. DETECTIVE DEANGELIS PARTNERED WITH PLANO POLICE DETECTIVE VINCEK TO REVISIT THESE CASES USING MODERN INVESTIGATIVE TECHNIQUES, INCLUDING FORENSIC INVESTIGATIVE GENETIC GENEALOGY.

WHAT FOLLOWED WAS YEARS OF PAINSTAKING INVESTIGATIVE WORK, REVIEWING EVIDENCE TRACKING LEADS, CONDUCTING INTERVIEWS, AND ANALYZING DNA EVIDENCE THAT HAD BEEN PRESERVED FOR DECADES.

THROUGH PERSISTENCE, COLLABORATION, AND AN UNWAVERING COMMITMENT TO THESE VICTIMS AND THEIR FAMILIES, THEY WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY AND ULTIMATELY HELP CONVICT THE OFFENDER RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE HORRIFIC CRIMES.

WHAT MAKES THIS RECOGNITION ESPECIALLY MEANINGFUL IS THAT FOR MANY YEARS, THE VICTIMS AND THE FAMILIES BELIEVE THAT THESE CASES WOULD NEVER BE SOLVED.

DETECTIVE DEANGELIS HELPED CHANGE THAT. HER WORK NOT ONLY BROUGHT JUSTICE, BUT IT ALSO PROVIDED LONG AWAITED ANSWERS AND CLOSURE FOR THE VICTIMS AND THEIR FAMILIES. FOR THESE EFFORTS, DETECTIVE DEANGELIS WAS RECENTLY HONORED WITH THE SUPER SLEUTH AWARD AT THE ANNUAL COLLIN

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NO MATTER HOW MUCH TIME HAD PASSED. DETECTIVE DEANGELIS, ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO SEEKING JUSTICE FOR THESE VICTIMS. WE ARE INCREDIBLY PROUD OF YOU, AND WE'RE SO VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE WORK THAT YOU CONTINUE TO DO.

ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF DALLAS. TODAY, WE APPLAUD YOU.

DETECTIVE, DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? THE MICROPHONE THERE IS YOURS.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY THAT IN THE CITY THAT HAS SUPPORTED THE SEX ASSAULT KIT INITIATIVE, THAT HAS FUNDED THE TESTING OF THESE KITS AND HAS ALLOWED MY TEAM TO BRING CLOSURE AND JUSTICE TO THESE VICTIMS AND REMIND THEM THAT THEY WERE NOT FORGOTTEN, EVEN THOUGH IT HAS BEEN DECADES SINCE THESE CRIMES OCCURRED.

SO THANK YOU. MR. MAYOR. WE'D LIKE TO GET A PICTURE WITH THE TEAM, AS WELL AS WITH DETECTIVE DEANGELIS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ALL RIGHT, MEMBERS, AS YOU MAKE YOUR WAY TO YOUR SEATS WE'RE GOING TO RECOGNIZE OUR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM FOR A SPECIAL PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU MAYOR. SO THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR DOING THIS PROCLAMATION AND ALLOWING ME TO READ THIS.

WHEREAS ACROSS THE NATION, ASIAN AMERICAN AND PACIFIC ISLANDER HERITAGE MONTH IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE THE DIVERSE CULTURE, HISTORY, AND CONTRIBUTIONS OF ASIAN AMERICANS AND PACIFIC ISLANDERS FOR THEIR TREMENDOUS ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND COMMUNITY INFLUENCE.

AND WHEREAS, THROUGHOUT AMERICAN HISTORY, ASIAN AMERICANS AND PACIFIC ISLANDERS HAVE HELPED SHAPE THE NATION'S CHARACTER AS VIBRANT AND DYNAMIC PEOPLE AND.

WHEREAS DALLAS POPULATION CONSISTS OF AN ESTIMATED 4% ASIAN AMERICAN, NATIVE HAWAIIAN AND OTHER PACIFIC ISLANDER RESIDENTS, SOME OF WHOM HAVE LIVED IN DALLAS FOR GENERATIONS AND SOME OF WHOM ARE NEW IMMIGRANTS AND REFUGEES.

THEY CONTRIBUTE THEIR TALENTS AND SKILLS TO THE GROWTH AND CULTURAL PROSPERITY OF DALLAS.

AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF DALLAS IS DEEPLY COMMITTED TO BUILDING WELCOMING COMMUNITIES.

FOUNDED IN 1998, THE CITY OF DALLAS ASSOCIATION OF ASIAN AMERICAN CITY EMPLOYEES IS A VOLUNTARY ORGANIZATION COMPOSED OF ASIAN AMERICAN CITY OF DALLAS EMPLOYEES, RETIREES AND SUPPORTERS DEDICATED TO NETWORKING AND FOSTERING PERSONAL AND PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT.

THE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE OF THIS ASSOCIATION, AND ALL ASIAN AMERICAN AND PACIFIC ISLANDER EMPLOYEES MAKE SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTIONS THROUGH THE EXPERTISE AND LEADERSHIP THEY BRING TO CITY OPERATIONS.

AND WHEREAS ASIAN AMERICANS AND PACIFIC ISLANDERS ARE ETHNICALLY, ECONOMICALLY, AND LINGUISTICALLY DIVERSE, THE CITY OF DALLAS PROUDLY EMBRACES THE MANY CULTURES AND TRADITIONS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE STRENGTH AND VITALITY OF OUR COMMUNITY.

NOW, ON BEHALF OF MAYOR ERIC JOHNSON, I'LL PROCLAIM MAY 2026 AS ASIAN AMERICAN AND PACIFIC ISLANDER HERITAGE MONTH.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM. AND LASTLY, I BELIEVE WE HAVE A SPECIAL PRESENTATION FROM CHAIRMAN GRACEY.

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WHEREAS THE MONTH OF MAY IS NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED AS OLDER AMERICANS MONTH, A TIME, A TIME TO HONOR AND CELEBRATE THE SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTIONS OF OLDER ADULTS ACROSS AMERICAN SOCIETY. AND WHEREAS, THE 2026 THEME FOR OLDER AMERICANS MONTH IS CHAMPION YOUR HEALTH, WHICH EMPHASIZES INDEPENDENCE AND HEALTHY AGING BY ENCOURAGING OLDER ADULTS TO EDUCATE THEMSELVES AND REMAIN SAFE, ENGAGED AND THRIVING THROUGH OPPORTUNITIES AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AND CIVIC ENGAGEMENT.

AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF DALLAS IS A IS AN AGE FRIENDLY CITY AND IS HOME TO A GROWING POPULATION OF OLDER ADULTS WHO ENRICH OUR COMMUNITY AND DRIVE ITS SOCIAL, ECONOMIC, AND CULTURAL VITALITY. AND WHEREAS THE SENIOR AFFAIRS COMMISSION PLAYS A VITAL ROLE IN ADVOCATING FOR OLDER ADULTS BY PROMOTING POLICIES, PROGRAMS AND SERVICES THAT SUPPORT THEIR INDEPENDENCE, WELL-BEING AND CONTINUED ENGAGEMENT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

AND WHEREAS COMMUNITIES BENEFIT WHEN OLDER ADULTS ARE SUPPORTED IN MAINTAINING THEIR HEALTH, INDEPENDENCE AND ACTIVE INVOLVEMENT THROUGH ACCESS TO RESOURCES, PROGRAMS AND MEANINGFUL OPPORTUNITIES.

IT IS ESSENTIAL TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND SUPPORT INITIATIVES THAT ENABLE OUR ADULTS TO MAINTAIN DIGNITY.

OLDER ADULTS. AS ADULTS, OH, THEY ASKED TO OLDER ADULTS TO MAINTAIN DIGNITY, FIND MEANING, AND REMAIN ACTIVELY ENGAGED AND ENHANCE THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, ERIC L JOHNSON, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM MAY 2026 AS OLDER AMERICANS MONTH IN DALLAS, TEXAS. AND IF THAT I WOULD LIKE TO CALL UP THE SENIOR AFFAIRS COMMISSION, I THINK I THINK THERE ARE SOME HERE IN THE AUDIENCE AS WELL AS THE HOUSING AND COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT STAFF TO COME UP FOR A PICTURE IF WE CAN.

ALL RIGHT, COME ON INSIDE THE RAILING HERE AND ARRANGE YOURSELVES AROUND THE CENTER.

ALRIGHT, MEMBERS, AS YOU MAKE YOUR WAY BACK TO YOUR SEATS, WE ARE DONE WITH OUR ANNOUNCEMENTS AND WE'LL GO TO OUR CITY SECRETARY FOR OPEN MICROPHONE SPEAKERS. MADAM SECRETARY, GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. GOOD MORNING. THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW HEAR ITS FIRST FIVE REGISTERED SPEAKERS.

I WILL RECITE THE SPEAKER GUIDELINES. SPEAKERS MUST OBSERVE THE SAME RULES OF PROPRIETY, DECORUM AND GOOD CONDUCT APPLICABLE TO MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

ANY SPEAKER MAKING PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, PROFANE, OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS, OR WHO BECOMES BOISTEROUS WHILE ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE ROOM. FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE IN PERSON FOR THOSE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS, YOU WILL WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE SESSION. INDIVIDUALS WILL BE GIVEN TWO MINUTES FOR THOSE IN-PERSON SPEAKERS.

YOU'LL NOTICE THE TIME ON THE MONITOR AT THE PODIUM.

WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP, PLEASE STOP FOR THOSE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS.

I WILL ANNOUNCE WHEN YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED. ALSO, SPEAKERS, PLEASE BE MINDFUL THAT DURING YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REFER TO A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER BY NAME AND ADDRESS.

YOUR COMMENTS TO MAYOR JOHNSON ONLY YOUR FIRST SPEAKER, BRUCE OHR.

THANK YOU. MY NAME IS BRUCE OHR. DISTRICT 13.

THE CITY COUNCIL FACES A DIFFICULT AND POTENTIALLY UNPOPULAR DECISION ON CITY HALL.

BUT WHILE 50 YEARS AGO, IT COST $50 MILLION TO BUILD.

TODAY, PLANNERS ARE TELLING US REBUILDING IT WILL COST A BILLION, MORE OR LESS.

AND AT THAT PRICE, WE COULD BUY TEN KLYDE WARREN PARKS, OR WE COULD DECIDE IT MIGHT BE TIME TO BUY, RENT OR BUILD AT A NEW LOCATION FOR CONSIDERABLY LESS MONEY.

LAST YEAR, FOR EXAMPLE, FORT WORTH MOVED ITS CITY HALL INTO A 20 STORY HIGH RISE WITH 400,000FT² OF OFFICE SPACE, WHICH IS JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THIS CITY BUILDING THAT COST 230 MILLION.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE COULD GET THAT SAME DEAL, BUT WHAT I AM SAYING, IT SUGGESTS WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SPEND A LOT LESS MONEY TO RELOCATE.

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RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A $34 MILLION BUDGET DEFICIT.

OUR DOWNTOWN TAX BASE, WHICH FUNDS A CONSIDERABLE PART OF OUR SPENDING MONEY, IS NOT MEETING ITS GROWTH EXPECTATIONS, AND IT'S LIKELY TO GET WORSE BEFORE IT GETS BETTER.

WE KNOW AT&T AND ITS 7000 EMPLOYEES ARE LEAVING SOON, AND BOTH OUR SPORTS TEAMS HAVE ONE FOOT OUT THE DOOR, AND WHEN THEY LEAVE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE LEAVING WITH THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF FANS WHO FOR ABOUT 100 GAMES EACH YEAR, BRING TO DOWNTOWN DALLAS THE THREE THINGS IT NEEDS MOST EXCITEMENT, ENERGY, AND MORE MONEY.

SO I ASK ONLY THAT YOU ADDRESS OUR MONEY PROBLEMS RESPONSIBLY.

IT MAKES NO SENSE. TO MAKE MATTERS WORSE, BY REBUILDING CITY HALL AT A HUGE COST.

WHEN AND IF THERE ARE LESS COSTLY ALTERNATIVES.

AND YES, PLEASE INVIGORATE DOWNTOWN, MAKE IT MORE LIVABLE, MAKE IT MORE DYNAMIC.

BUT WITH A NEW REVENUE GENERATING ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT THAT WILL BREATHE MUCH NEEDED LIFE INTO THE SOUTH SIDE AND BRING A WHOLE LOT MORE MONEY TO THE CITY COFFERS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AMANDA MORENO LAKE.

GOOD MORNING, MR. MAYOR, AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS AMANDA MORENO LAKE. I LIVE IN DISTRICT ONE.

I GREW UP, I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE IN DALLAS, IN WEST DALLAS.

I STARTED MY FIRST BUSINESS BACK IN 1989 IN BISHOP ARTS, AND THAT INVESTMENT CHANGED MY LIFE.

WHEN I FIRST STARTED INVESTING IN OAK CLIFF AND IN BISHOP ARTS, MANY BUILDINGS WERE BOARDED UP.

PEOPLE DID NOT SEE WHAT IT COULD BECOME, AND THE CITY STEPPED UP AND SPENT $2.1 MILLION IN HELPING BISHOP ARTS IN WIDENING OUR SIDEWALKS, PLANTING TREES, REDOING THE PAVERS, THE LANDSCAPING, AND BELIEVING IN THE FUTURE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

TOGETHER, WE TRANSFORMED IT. AND BECAUSE OF THAT INVESTMENT, THE ENTIRE CITY BENEFIT.

WE GREW THE TAX BASE. WE HELPED SMALL BUSINESSES GET STARTED.

WE CREATED JOBS. THAT WAS A BUILDING. BUILDINGS IN OAK CLIFF THAT WAS OVERLOOKED HAS NOW BECOME A DESTINATION.

I SEE THE SAME KIND OF OPPORTUNITY AT THIS CURRENT SITE AT CITY HALL.

HERE IS A SITE THAT HAS A LOT OF POSSIBILITIES.

I SEE A CHANCE TO CREATE BUSINESS AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT THE THAT THE CENTER OF HERE IN OUR CENTER OF OUR CITY.

THE KIND OF REDEVELOPMENT DOES NOT JUST CHANGE BUILDINGS.

IT CHANGES HOW PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT OUR CITY. IT BRINGS PEOPLE BACK.

IT CREATES OPPORTUNITY. IT GROWS TAX BASE. IT PAYS FOR OUR CITY SERVICES FOR EVERYONE.

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN OAK CLIFF AND IN BISHOP ARTS, THIS DECISION IS BIGGER THAN ONE BUILDING.

THIS IS ABOUT THE FUTURE OF DOWNTOWN DALLAS AND THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY.

AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS A GENERATION OPPORTUNITY TO REIMAGINE THE HEART OF OUR CITY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND I HOPE YOU ALL HAVE A BLESSED DAY.

AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO. THANK YOU. TREY BLACK.

GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS TREY BLACK, AND I'VE BEEN BORN AND RAISED IN DALLAS.

AND HAVE ENJOYED THIS PLACE OVER THE YEARS. GUYS, MY FAMILY LIVES IN OAK CLIFF AND WE ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS CITY.

AND I KNOW THAT EACH ONE OF YOU LOVE THIS CITY AS WELL.

WE HAVE SOME HUGE DECISIONS WE NEED TO MAKE, AND I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN MAKE THEM TOGETHER OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS AND MONTHS.

THIS WILL HELP DEFINE OUR CITY FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS.

IT WILL TAKE SEVERAL PIECES OF THE PUZZLE TO BRING A VISION TOGETHER.

BUT ONE PIECE. WHAT WE DO WITH THIS BUILDING AND TIME IS NOW TO MOVE CITY HALL.

LET'S FOCUS ON THE FUTURE. WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING OUR URBAN CORE TOGETHER.

WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COMPLETELY RETHINK DOWNTOWN.

AND LOOK, IT'S GOING TO TAKE COURAGE. IT'S GOING TO TAKE LEADERSHIP.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE THE TYPE OF INCREDIBLE AMBITION AND DREAMS, BIG DREAMS THAT HAVE HELPED DEFINE THIS CITY SINCE 1841

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WE HAVE TO DO WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR CONSTITUENTS IN EVERY COMPASS POINT AROUND THIS CITY.

BUT OUR FOLKS HERE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS ARE DEPENDING ON YOU GUYS TO MAKE A TOUGH DECISION.

IT WON'T BE EASY, BUT IF WE DO THIS THING TOGETHER, MR. MAYOR, WELL, THEN WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT DALLAS IS A GOING CONCERN FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.

MY KIDS AND MY KIDS, KIDS. I WANT THEM TO STAY HERE AND BE PROUD OF WHAT WE DO.

AND I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT TOGETHER. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, ADAM CROSS.

GOOD MORNING, MAYOR JOHNSON. GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS ADAM KRAUSS. I AM A 38 YEAR OLD DALLAS NATIVE, A HUSBAND, A LOCAL DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNER.

AND LAST YEAR I FOUNDED KRAUSS HOLDINGS, A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT AND INVESTMENT COMPANY.

FOR TEN YEARS I LIVED IN THE HEART OF DOWNTOWN.

AS A RESIDENT. I HAVE ALSO BEEN A LONGTIME OFFICE TENANT DOWNTOWN, AND TODAY I AM A DOWNTOWN STAKEHOLDER.

AS A BUSINESS OWNER, I HAVE WALKED THESE STREETS NEARLY EVERY DAY FOR THE PAST 13 YEARS.

LIKE ALL OF US IN THIS ROOM TODAY, I CARE DEEPLY ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THIS CITY, ESPECIALLY A NEIGHBORHOOD I HAVE CALLED HOME.

AND LIKE THE REST OF YOU, I HAVE WATCHED DALLAS TRANSFORM SINCE 2001.

VICTORY PARK ROSE FROM NOTHING. UPTOWN HAS DENSIFIED AND BECOME THE NEW CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

THE DESIGN DISTRICT HAS REINVENTED ITSELF, AND THE SUBURBS OF DALLAS HAVE GONE FROM JUST BEING THE SUBURBS OF DALLAS TO NOW OUR ECONOMIC COMPETITOR.

BY ALMOST EVERY MEASURE, THIS CITY IS BOOMING, AND YET THE BLOCKS SURROUNDING CITY HALL STILL CONTAIN THE SAME VACANT PARKING LOTS THAT HAVE EXISTED SINCE THE 1970S. HALF A CENTURY OF STANDING STILL.

MY WIFE WORKS ON MAIN STREET, JUST AROUND THE CORNER FROM HERE, AND EVERY EVENING SHE CALLS ME WHEN SHE LEAVES THE OFFICE NOT TO CHAT, BUT BECAUSE SHE DOES NOT FEEL SAFE WALKING TO HER CAR ALONE.

A CITY THAT HAS BOOMED THE WAY DALLAS HAS BOOMED SHOULD NOT HAVE A WOMAN CALLING HER HUSBAND FOR FOR SAFETY ON A SHORT WALK IN ITS URBAN CORE.

THAT IS WHAT 50 YEARS OF VACANCY DOES. PRIVATE CAPITAL DOES NOT MOVE WITHOUT A REASON.

MOST LUMP ALL OF DOWNTOWN TOGETHER, THE GOOD AND THE BAD.

RIGHT NOW, DOWNTOWN IS IN DESPERATE NEED OF MOMENTUM.

THE NEGATIVE HEADLINES THAT COVER NEWSPAPERS ABOUT DOWNTOWN HURT RESIDENCES AND BUSINESSES, THOSE IN THIS ROOM AND THE NEXT GENERATION OF DALLASITES DESERVE A DOWNTOWN THAT FINALLY GOT ITS CATALYST.

THEY WILL EITHER SEE THE SAME VACANT PARKING LOTS WE SEE TODAY OR THEY WILL SEE THEM THE MOMENT DALLAS DECIDED ITS DOWNTOWN DESERVED ITS CATALYST.

THIS COUNCIL HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEND THAT SIGNAL AND USHER IN THAT CATALYST.

I HOPE YOU WILL TAKE IT. IT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JIM LAKE.

GOOD MORNING, MR. MAYOR. COUNCILMAN AND COUNCILWOMAN.

I'M JIM LAKE AND LIVE AT 1704 WEST COLORADO IN DISTRICT ONE.

AND I'M CEO OF JIM LAKE COMPANIES. TODAY I BROUGHT A FEW PHOTOGRAPHS WITH ME THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.

ONE IS AN AERIAL PHOTO OF DALLAS CITY HALL AND THE SURROUNDING AREA FROM 1976.

THE OTHER IS A RECENT AERIAL PHOTO OF THE SAME SITE.

AFTER 50 YEARS, VERY LITTLE HAS CHANGED. THEN YOU COMPARE THAT TO WHAT WE DID AT VICTORY VICTORY PARK IN 1999.

WHEN WE STARTED CONSTRUCTION, THERE'S A $16 MILLION TAX VALUE.

FAST FORWARD TO 2026, $2.5 BILLION. THAT CAN HAPPEN OR BETTER IN THIS DISTRICT.

IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT. I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN NORTH DALLAS, AND I REMEMBER WHEN THIS CITY HALL WAS BUILT. DURING MY LIFETIME, I WATCHED DALLAS REINVENT ITSELF. I'VE SEEN NEIGHBORHOODS TRANSFORMED IN AREAS ONCE WRITTEN OFF BECOME THRIVING ECONOMIC ENGINES FOR THE CITY.

BUT THIS AREA AROUND CITY HALL HAS LARGELY REMAINED FROZEN IN TIME.

THE REALITY IS THE SPACE HAS BECOME A DISCONNECTOR.

GREAT CITIES SUCCEED WHEN THEY CREATE CONNECTIVITY, ENERGY, IMPROVE WALKABILITY, NOT BARRIERS IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR DOWNTOWN.

I SPENT MY CAREER REDEVELOPING URBAN SPACES ACROSS DALLAS AND NORTH TEXAS.

MY FAMILY HELPED PIONEER BISHOP ARTS DISTRICT, THE DESIGN DISTRICT, AND BUY IT.

AND THEN LONG BEFORE MOST PEOPLE, EXCEPT MY WIFE, BELIEVED IN IT.

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I CAN TELL YOU FIRSTHAND OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THIS DO NOT COME AROUND OFTEN.

THIS IS THE SPARK WE NEED FOR REDEVELOPMENT. RATHER THAN SPEND BETWEEN 340 MILLION AND $1 BILLION CONTINUING TO INVEST IN AGING BUILDING, WE SHOULD SEIZE THIS ONCE IN A GENERATION OPPORTUNITY TO RETHINK AND REIMAGINE THE HEART OF DALLAS.

WHEN THIS BUILDING OPENED THAT HAD AROUND 850,000.

THAT'S YOUR TIME. I'VE SEEN WHAT HAPPENS IN DALLAS.

THAT'S YOUR TIME. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS ALL DAY, GUYS. DON'T.

DON'T RUN OVER THE TIME. THANK YOU. THIS CONCLUDES YOUR FIRST FIVE REGISTERED SPEAKERS.

MAYOR. FOR WHAT PURPOSE? I MOVE TO SUSPEND THE RULES TO HEAR THE REST OF THE SPEAKERS.

ALL THE REST. MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON THE MOTION FIRST BEFORE WE GET A SECOND FOR IT.

ALL OF THEM OR ALL OF THEM? ALL OF THEM. AND IS THERE ANY OBJECTION? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE SO ORDERED. WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ALL OF THEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I WILL CALL SPEAKERS IN TWO GROUPS. WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, I WILL ASK THAT YOU COME FORWARD AND HAVE A SEAT IN THESE FIRST THREE ROWS OF THIS INTERSECTION. KATHY VIRGO MISS VIRGO IS PRESENT.

YOU MAY COME TO THE PODIUM. DONALD. REVELS. MELANIE.

MELANIE. VANLANDINGHAM. LAURA. GREEN. MARGARET.

SHABRIE. JERRY. RUSSELL. LA. KENDRA. JOHNSON.

EDWARD. ZARA. GARY. VON TENNELL. PJ MOTEN. CEDRIC.

JOHNSON. SHEMAR. WILLIAMS. DA. ANDRE. MONTGOMERY.

FRANK. MIHALOPOULOS. DEBORAH. RICHARDS. JOHN.

MIHALOPOULOS. JOSE. AVILA. SHELBY. BOBOWSKI. JESSICA.

LENDVAY. CHRIS THOMPSON. YOLANDA WILLIAMS HAS CANCELED.

KAITLYN BEDFORD AND ARTHUR SANTA MARIA, MISS VIRGO'S.

GOOD MORNING, MR. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS KATHY VARGAS. I LIVE IN DISTRICT NINE.

I HAVE CALLED DALLAS HOME FOR 54 YEARS. ON APRIL 10TH, 2005, THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS PUBLISHED AN ARTICLE.

THE HEADLINE WAS OPTIMISM KEEPS RESTAURANTS UP AND RUNNING.

FOR NOW. THE STORY WAS ABOUT MY HUSBAND, SAM AND I AND OUR RESTAURANT, STREETSIDE CAFE ON NERVE AND YOUNG.

THE ARTICLE SAID SOMETHING I HAVE NEVER FORGOTTEN.

IF DOWNTOWN SUCCEEDS, THEIR CAFE WILL SUCCEED.

IF DOWNTOWN FAILS, THE STREETSIDE CAFE WILL FAIL.

AND SADLY, THAT TURNED OUT TO BE TRUE. MY HUSBAND WAS THE CHEF.

I WORKED THE FRONT. WE POURED EVERYTHING WE HAD INTO THE CAFE.

WE STAYED HOPEFUL. WE RECEIVED KIND REVIEWS AND LOCAL MEDIA ATTENTION, BUT THE FOOT TRAFFIC NEVER CAME.

AFTER WORK HOURS DOWNTOWN EMPTIED ON WEEKENDS, IT OFTEN FELT ABANDONED.

WE COULD NOT SURVIVE ON OPTIMISM ALONE. WE HAD TO CLOSE THE DOORS.

UNFORTUNATELY, OTHER BUSINESSES MET THE SAME FATE, AND THROUGHOUT THOSE YEARS WE DEALT WITH BREAK INS, VANDALISM, GRAFFITI AND FRUSTRATION OF TRYING TO KEEP INVESTING IN THE AREA NEVER FULLY CAME ALIVE.

I AM HERE TODAY TO SUPPORT REDEVELOPING THE CURRENT CITY HALL SITE BECAUSE I STILL BELIEVE DOWNTOWN CAN SUCCEED.

FOR DECADES, THIS PART OF DOWNTOWN HAS NEVER GENERATED THE ACTIVITY, FOOT TRAFFIC, OR ECONOMIC ENERGY THAT BUSINESSES NEED TO SURVIVE.

I KNOW THAT FIRSTHAND BECAUSE MY FAMILY LIVED IT.

THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT REPLACING A BUILDING. IT'S ABOUT FINALLY CREATING DOWNTOWN ATTRACTS PEOPLE AND FAMILIES DAY AND NIGHT, WEEKDAYS AND WEEKENDS. I STILL BELIEVE IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS.

I STAYED. I KEPT INVESTING, I KEPT HOPING. BUT HOPE ALONE IS NOT ENOUGH.

PLEASE CHOOSE A FUTURE THAT BRINGS LIFE, ENERGY, BUSINESSES AND OPPORTUNITIES BACK DOWNTOWN.

REDEVELOPED. CITY HALL SITE. REVITALIZE DOWNTOWN.

CHOOSE DALLAS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. DONALD REVELS.

GOOD MORNING, MAYOR, AND ALL THE LOCAL DIGNITARIES.

DURING THE MOST RECENT MARTIN LUTHER KING PARADE, I YELLED OUT AS YOUR FLOAT PASSED MY LOCATION.

I HAVE A COMPLAINT THAT I NEED TO BRING TO YOU.

WELL, I AM HE. I OWN A COMPLEX IN DISTRICT NUMBER SEVEN DURING AN ANNUAL.

DURING AN ANNUAL BUILDING INSPECTION TWO YEARS AGO, I HAD AN INSPECTOR TO TOTALLY FABRICATE LIES STATING THAT I HAD BEEN INSTRUCTED TO CUT BUSHES FROM MY FENCE LINE AND REFUSED TO COMPLY DURING THE MOST RECENT INSPECTION ON DECEMBER 4TH, 2025, I WAS SCHEDULED FOR ANOTHER ANNUAL INSPECTION, WHICH WAS ALSO SHROUDED WITH MALICE AND FABRICATION LEADING UP TO AN INSPECTION.

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AT THE VERY LAST MOMENTS, INSPECTORS WILL SWITCH.

THE INSPECTOR ARRIVED AND HEADED DIRECTLY TO THE KITCHEN, TURNED ON THE SINK.

THE. THE. THE INSPECTOR HAD NOT HAD NOT PLACED THE SWIVEL CORRECTLY.

THE WATER DIDN'T COME ON. THE TENANT INFORMED THE INSPECTOR THAT THE FAUCET WORKS FINE.

THE INSPECTOR ORDERED ME TO REPLACE THE FAUCET, DESPITE THE TENANT STATING YOU DON'T HAVE IT IN.

YOU DON'T HAVE IT ON CORRECTLY. AFTER ALMOST FIVE YEARS, ANOTHER INSPECTOR HAD NEVER OPENED A SINGLE CABINET DOOR USED.

THEY BROWSE AROUND THE EXTERIOR AND MAYBE. MAYBE PEEK INSIDE BRIEFLY.

I'M CERTAIN THE INSPECTOR WAS WELL WITHIN THE AUTHORIZED PURVIEW TO EXAMINE THE ENTIRE BUILDING, BUT I FIND IT STRANGE THAT NOT A SINGLE PREDECESSOR HAD FOLLOWED THIS PROTOCOL.

I WAS CONFIDENT THIS WAS NOT STANDARD PROTOCOL.

EVEN CODE COMPLIANCE IS IN NEED OF EITHER CODE, EITHER IN NEED OF OVERHAUL OR.

AGAIN, I WAS TARGETED. I BELIEVE THE LATTER. THE INSPECTOR OVERHEARD THE TENANT TELLING ME THAT IT WAS REFRESHING TO HAVE AN ODOR GONE AFTER I REMOVED A DEAD RAT FROM THE UNIT DAYS EARLIER, AFTER I GAVE THE TENANT TRAPS. AFTER HEARING THIS CONVERSATION, THE INSPECTOR ORDERED ME TO TO OBTAIN A LICENSE CONTRACT WHILE ALSO STATING THAT I'M NOT ALLOWED TO PLACE MY OWN TRAPS. THE BUILDING WAS PURCHASED ALMOST FIVE YEARS AGO.

I WAS REQUIRED TO PAY FOR STRUCTURAL STRUCTURAL PLUMBING ELECTRICAL INSPECTIONS IN ORDER TO OBTAIN A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.

THE INSPECTOR STATED. I HAD TO HAD TO PAY THESE INSPECTIONS AGAIN.

THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. MELANIE VANLANDINGHAM.

MELANIE VANLANDINGHAM 60 311 LAKESHORE. THE ORIGINAL $330 MILLION ESTIMATE TO REPAIR CITY HALL HAS NOW BEEN DISCREDITED AND REVISED DOWN TO 158 MILLION IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL REPORT BY AECOM AT 158 MILLION.

REPAIRS WOULD EQUAL ONLY ABOUT 0.3% ANNUALLY OVER TEN YEARS WITHIN DALLAS $5 BILLION ANNUAL BUDGET.

A DROP IN THE BUCKET. WE NOW NEED HONEST, TRANSPARENT REPAIR PHASING PLANS.

SEVERAL MAJOR CITY HALL REPAIRS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED WITHOUT RELOCATING EMPLOYEES.

THE PUBLIC DESERVES ASSURANCE THAT INACCURATE ASSESSMENTS, INFLATED REPAIR LISTS AND FALSE DATA WILL NOT BE USED AGAIN FOR THE PHASING PLANS.

DELIBERATE MISINFORMATION AND SLANTED SURVEYS HAVE DECEIVED AND MISGUIDED THE PUBLIC AND LEADERS, PUSHING EFFORTS TO ABANDON AND ABOLISH CITY HALL.

DECENTRALIZED CITY SERVICES MOVE 911311 IN EMERGENCY OPERATIONS FROM THIS SAFEST BUILDING IN THE CITY.

SELF-SERVING PROFITEERS AGGRESSIVELY PUSH FOR RELOCATION TO THEIR PRIVATE OFFICE SPACE WITH LONG TERM, EXORBITANT TRIPLE NET LEASING COSTS THE CITY WOULD PAY TO RENOVATE, CUSTOMIZE AND MAINTAIN THEIR BUILDINGS THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND.

INSTEAD OF REPAIRING, RENOVATING AND MAINTAINING OUR CITY HALL THAT WE ALREADY OWN.

THE MOST FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, TIME EFFICIENT OPTION IS TO REMAIN IN CITY HALL AND BEGIN REPAIRS IMMEDIATELY, USING FEDERAL FUNDS WE ALREADY HAVE BEFORE THEY EXPIRE IN SEPTEMBER.

CALL FOR IDEAS PROCESS SHOWED 77 OVERWHELMING SUPPORT, SAVING CITY HALL AND ITS PARK.

THE INNOVATIVE PLAN BY UTA AND AIA PROPOSES 47 ACRES SURROUNDING CITY HALL TO CREATE AN EXPANSIVE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT WITH THE ARENA, HOTELS, HOUSING, GREEN SPACE, WALKABILITY, CONNECTIONS WHILE CONNECTING THE CORE.

THERE IS NO REASON TO TEAR DOWN CITY HALL. KEEPING.

CITY HALL ALLOWS THE MAVS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT IMMEDIATELY.

THAT'S YOUR TIME. HOLD ON. I'M GOING TO PAUSE YOU REAL QUICK. YOU'RE OUT OF TIME ANYWAY. WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE OUTBURSTS IN THE AUDIENCE. WE DON'T HAVE THAT HERE. THAT'S AGAINST OUR RULES. AND WE'RE GOING TO START ASKING PEOPLE TO LEAVE IF WE'RE GOING TO VIOLATE THOSE RULES. OKAY. I'M JUST I'M HERE TO ENFORCE THE RULES. SO LET'S KEEP THE OUTBURSTS TO NOTHING. OKAY. THANK YOU. LAURA GREENE.

MAYOR MAYOR JOHNSON AND MEMBERS OF THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS LAURA GREENE. I LIVE IN DISTRICT 13 NEAR PRESTON AND ROYAL.

I, ALONG WITH OVER 3400 NEIGHBORS, HAVE SIGNED THE PETITION OPPOSING ANY ZONING CHANGE AT PRESTON AND ROYAL. THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE WOULD ALLOW FOR MID-RISES HIGH RISES OR WORSE, SKYSCRAPERS TO BE BUILT.

THE SCALE OF ANY BUILDING OVER 54FT WOULD BE A PROFOUND CHANGE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

A GLOSSY PRESENTATION MAY CAPTURE THE ATTENTION OF SOME, BUT LIKE A CHILD WHO BUILDS A BLOCK TOWER AS HIGH AS IT CAN GO FOR THE EXCITEMENT AND THRILL, AN ACTUAL SKYSCRAPER WILL LOSE ITS NOVELTY AND BE OVERTAKEN BY ITS UNDESIRABLE EFFECTS.

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THEY REFLECT THE GLARE AND HEAT OF THE SUN, AND THEY INCREASE TRAFFIC.

DALLAS IS DEFINED BY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS WITH LOW RISE COMMERCIAL INTERSECTIONS THAT SERVE THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.

THE EASE OF USE IS WHAT MAKES DALLAS APPEALING TO SO MANY PEOPLE.

MOST PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE WHERE THEY CAN DRIVE WITH MINIMAL TRAFFIC AND PARK EASILY AT THEIR LOCAL SHOPPING CENTER, NOT DRIVE TO AN UNDERGROUND PARKING GARAGE, AND NAVIGATE A MASSIVE, COMPLEX DEVELOPMENT AT 54FT AT PRESTON ROYAL WILL ALREADY EXCEED THE TWO STOREY PRECEDENT.

MID RISES WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE AND HIGH RISES WOULD BE APPALLING.

PRESTON HOLLOW HAS BEEN A STABLE AREA SINCE DALLAS GREW NORTH.

THAT STABILITY IS GOOD FOR DALLAS. A MASSIVE BUILDINGS OUT OF SCALE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD ERODE THAT STABILITY.

THANK YOU. MARGARET. SHAWBURY. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS MARGARET SHABRI.

I'VE LIVED IN PRESTON HOLLOW FOR 23 YEARS. MY TOWNHOME IS ABOUT 300FT FROM A PROPOSED MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT AT PRESTON ROAD AND ROYAL LANE. LIKE THOUSANDS OF MY NEIGHBORS, I OPPOSE THIS PROJECT AND RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO DENY THE APPLICANT'S ZONING CHANGE REQUEST WHEN IT COMES BEFORE YOU, POSSIBLY LATE SUMMER.

I DO SUPPORT A THOUGHTFUL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AND ADDITIONAL HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES.

BUT THIS PROPOSAL IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.

FIRST, THIS IS ZONING BY EXCEPTION, NOT GOOD PLANNING.

DALLAS ZONING RULES EXIST TO ENSURE COMPATIBILITY AND PREDICTABLE GROWTH.

A 300 FOOT TOWER WOULD OVERWHELM THE SCALE AND CHARACTER OF PRESTON HOLLOW.

SECOND, THE PROPOSAL IS 5 TO 6 TIMES TALLER THAN CURRENT ZONING ALLOWS A HIGH RISE HOTEL AND LUXURY RESIDENCES AT THIS LOCATION WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY WORSEN TRAFFIC CONGESTION, LOADING ACTIVITY AND PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS AT AN INTERSECTION THAT IS DALLAS FIFTH BUSIEST AND DANGEROUS.

THIS PROJECT ALSO INCREASES CHILD AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY RISKS NEAR HOMES, SCHOOLS AND CHURCHES AND LUXURY TOWERS DO NOT ADDRESS DALLAS STATED GOAL OF CREATING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AT MONDAY NIGHT'S COMMUNITY MEETING WITH DEVELOPER LELAND BURKE, THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF ATTENDEES DELIVERED A CLEAR MESSAGE NO THANK YOU.

I'M A MEMBER OF PRESTON PRESERVE, PRESTON HOLLOW.

OUR COALITION HAS GATHERED CLOSE TO 3000 SIGNATURES AGAINST THIS ZONING CHANGE.

WE ASK THAT YOU LISTEN TO YOUR NEIGHBORS, CONSTITUENTS AND VOTERS AND DENY THIS REQUEST.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU.

JERRY RUSSELL. GOOD MORNING MANAGERS. I MEAN, CITY MANAGER, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE.

YOU'LL PROBABLY BE LOOKING AT ME BECAUSE YOU THINK I LOOK FAMILIAR.

I USED TO HAVE A BEARD DOWN TO HERE LAST TIME I TALK TO YOU GUYS.

SO I'VE SPOKEN MULTIPLE TIMES ON OTHER PEOPLE'S BEHALF, LIKE TINA FEST, LIKE THE NATURAL HAIR PARADE AND FESTIVAL FOR ISIS.

BRANTLEY. BUT BEFORE THAT, I SPOKE ON BEHALF OF HOMELESS VETERANS MYSELF.

I'VE BEEN HOMELESS OVER NINE TIMES, BUT THANKS TO THE HUD-VASH PROGRAM, I LIVE AT 511 NORTH ECKARD, RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM HERE. I HAVE STABILIZED OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS, BUT EVERYTHING'S BEING CHIPPED AWAY.

THEY WANT TO GET RID OF DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY, AND THEY'VE ALREADY GOTTEN RID OF THE FOOD STAMP WAIVER FOR VETERANS ON APRIL THE 2ND. I DIDN'T KNOW WITHOUT ANY WARNING, THEY TOOK THEM AWAY.

SO I WENT THROUGH THE GOOSE CHASE TO FIND OUT WHAT WHAT HAPPENED.

I WENT BACK AND FORTH FROM DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES TO TEXAS WORKFORCE COMMISSION BACK 4 OR 5 TIMES.

THEY WERE POINTING AT EACH OTHER. I FINALLY GOT THE DETERMINATION ON APRIL 15TH THAT MY FOOD STAMPS WERE DENIED BECAUSE OF A WORK REQUIREMENT. SO I SAID, OKAY, I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE WORK REQUIREMENT.

SO I WENT AND I'VE APPLIED AND THEY WON'T LET ME INTO THE WORK EMPLOYMENT CLASSES.

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I WOULD HAVE TO EITHER GO TO GARLAND OR WAY OUT TO REDFORD MALL.

I HAVE NO INCOME. I DON'T HAVE A CAR. I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THE TIME AND I HOPE YOU GUYS HAVE A GREAT DAY.

THANK YOU. LAKENDRA JOHNSON. LAKENDRA JOHNSON IS NOT PREGNANT.

JOHNSON IS NOT HERE, SO I'M HER COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SPECIALIST.

CAN I SPEAK ON HER BEHALF? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU.

EDWARD, ZAHRA OR ZAHRA? AT ZAHRA 1003. VALENCIA. HANDS OFF CITY HALL. ONCE BURNED TWICE SHY IS HOW WE CITIZENS REACT TO THE RENOVATION.

ESTIMATES THAT GO FROM 24,000,095 MILLION 329,000,600 MILLION 1 BILLION.

MAVS CEO STATED THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A 50 ACRE SITE FOR A MIXED USE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, SO THE UT ARLINGTON STUDENTS ANSWERED WITH A CONCEPT PLAN THAT PLANS THE ARENA BETWEEN DALLAS MEMORIAL AUDITORIUM AND THE KAY BAILEY HUTCHISON CONVENTION CENTER REDEVELOPMENT WHILE PRESERVING CITY HALL WITH A PHASED REPAIR PLAN.

BUT IF THE. PAID FOR FREE AND CLEAR. CITY HALL MOVES TO COMERICA BANK, TOWER, BRYAN TOWER OR ONE OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS.

TAXPAYERS WOULD NOW PAY ABOUT $14,400 MILLION IN RENT FOR 400 ZERO ZERO ZERO SQUARE FEET AT A $36 TRIPLE NET LEASE.

THIS EXPENSE WOULD GROW TO $144 MILLION IN RENT, PLUS AN $8,000,600 COMMISSION OVER TEN YEARS, AND WE WOULD PAY THE LANDLORDS PROPERTY TAXES.

THIS BILL WOULD REPEAT EVERY TEN YEARS INTO ETERNITY WITH INFLATION BASED RISING COSTS.

HOW CAN CITY LEADERSHIP MOVE FORWARD TO DEMO CITY HALL WHEN THIS FINANCIAL BURDEN, ON TOP OF DISMAL BUDGET NEWS, WILL DRIVE MORE DALLAS TAXPAYERS TO THE SUBURBS? BUT I'LL MAKE YOU A DEAL. LET ME LEAD A COLLECTIVE OF CREATIVE DESIGNERS AND TALENT TO TAKE OVER THE RENOVATION, AND WE'LL GET TO SHOW THE WORLD HOW WE SAVE THE BIGGEST FIXER UPPER EVER.

I'M PEI'S THE PEOPLE'S HOUSE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, GARY VON TENNELL.

THIS WILL BE QUICK. I'M AN OLDER AMERICAN, AND THIS JUST MADE ME FEEL GOOD EARLIER TODAY.

I TELL MY KIDS I'M A RETIRED MARKETING GUY. MUCH TO EVERYBODY'S SURPRISE, I HAD A GREAT DEAL OF SUCCESS.

IT CAME DOWN TO I LEARNED HOW TO MAKE DECISIONS AND TO FIND THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO MAKE A DECISION.

I'M READING SUNDAY'S PAPER. I SEE A PICTURE OF MIKE RAWLINGS.

I HAVE MET MIKE AND MICKY IN THE EARLY 80S. WE BOTH WORKED WORKED AT TRACY LOCKE.

I SAID, THIS IS SIMPLE. TRIED TO EXPLAIN IT TO MY WIFE OF 55 YEARS WHO'S REMODELING A HOUSE.

DIDN'T WORK, BUT I SAID, LET'S SEE IF MIKE HAS ANY INTEREST OR IS AVAILABLE.

WHY WOULD HE BE SOMEBODY THAT CAN HELP. YOU NEED SOMEBODY THAT WORKED HERE FOR EIGHT YEARS.

YOU NEED SOMEBODY WHO REALLY UNDERSTANDS BUSINESS, THE EMOTIONAL PART OF BUSINESS AS WELL AS THIS PIZZA HUT CEO.

NEW CONCEPTS, NEW IDEAS, MARKETING AND ADVERTISING.

CEO OF TRACY LOCK. YEAH, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF SPORTS PEOPLE AND SPORTS INFLUENCE ON THIS.

LINEBACKER BOSTON COLLEGE. SO THE QUESTION I HAD WHEN I REACHED OUT TO MIKE AND COMPLIMENTED HIM ON A PICTURE THAT WAS SOMEWHAT FLATTERING, HE SAID, DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST OR ARE YOU, LIKE RUNNING FOR SOMETHING? BECAUSE WE'RE LIKE CHRISTMAS CARD FRIENDS, YOU KNOW, LIKE, HOW ARE YOU DOING? HE SOMEBODY DIED.

WE WILL TRY TO GET SOME MONEY TOGETHER. THIS ISN'T WHAT YOU DO.

THIS IS EMOTIONAL, BUT THIS ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE.

THIS IS A GOOD THING FOR DALLAS. EVERYBODY'S MOVING TO TEXAS BECAUSE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE EMOTIONAL PART, HOW TO DO THE RIGHT THING. LET'S PUT IT ALL ON RAWLINGS.

OKAY. AND THEN LET'S MOVE ON TO OTHER THINGS.

AND LORD KNOWS, THERE'S SO MANY OTHER THINGS EVERYBODY'S FIGHTING ABOUT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. PJ MOTEN. GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS PJ MOTEN. I'M HERE TODAY AS A YOUNG BLACK MAN, A DALLAS RESIDENT, AND SOMEONE WHO CARES DEEPLY ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THIS CITY.

I'M ALSO HERE WITH A SENSE OF URGENCY. FOR FAR TOO LONG, COMMUNITIES LIKE SOUTH DALLAS, MLK BOULEVARD,

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THESE COMMUNITIES ARE RICH IN CULTURE, HISTORY, TALENT AND RESILIENCE, BUT CONTINUE TO FACE THE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE, UNSAFE STREETS, UNDERFUNDED RECREATION CENTERS, LIMITED ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY, AND A LACK OF INTENTIONAL INVESTMENT.

MEANWHILE, OTHER PARTS OF DALLAS CONTINUE TO GROW, ATTRACT DEVELOPMENT AND BENEFIT FROM THE FROM THE KIND OF ATTENTION EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD DESERVES. THAT IMBALANCE IS NOT JUST UNFORTUNATE.

IT'S UNACCEPTABLE. WE NEED. WE DO. WE DO NOT NEED ANOTHER STUDY TO TELL US WHAT OUR COMMUNITIES ALREADY KNOW.

WE DO NOT NEED MORE DELAYS, MORE REPORTS, MORE SYMBOLIC CONVERSATIONS.

WE NEED BOLD, ACCOUNTABLE AND INTENTIONAL ACTION.

SOUTH DALLAS DESERVES MODERN INFRASTRUCTURE. MLK BOULEVARD DESERVES TO BE A CORRIDOR OF PRIDE, BUSINESS, CULTURE AND OPPORTUNITY. FAIR PARK SHOULD BE TREATED AS THE CROWN JEWEL THAT IT IS, AND NOT JUST AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT. OAK CLIFF DESERVES SAFE ROADS, THRIVING PUBLIC SPACES, AND STRONG RECREATION CENTERS AND DEVELOPMENT THAT BENEFITS THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY LIVE THERE. THIS MOMENT CALLS FOR LEADERSHIP THAT IS NOT ONLY VISIONARY, BUT RESPONSIBLE. DALLAS CITY HALL HAS SERVED ITS PURPOSE.

BUT THE TRUTH IS, THE BUILDING IS NO LONGER REFLECTS THE NEEDS OF A MODERN CITY.

MODERN, GROWING CITY, OR THE PEOPLE IT SERVES.

IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPENDING OVER $1 BILLION OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS SIMPLY TO MAINTAIN AN OUTDATED, OUTDATED INFRASTRUCTURE WITHOUT CREATING NEW REVENUE, NEW OPPORTUNITY AND TRANSFORMATIVE GROWTH.

THEN WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES, IS THIS REALLY THE BEST USE OF PUBLIC RESOURCES? MY GENERATION IS NOT ASKING FOR WASTEFUL SPENDING.

WE'RE ASKING FOR SMART INVESTMENT. WE ARE ASKING FOR DECISIONS THAT CREATE IMPACT.

WE WANT VIBRANT SPACES WHERE FAMILIES GATHER, SMALL BUSINESSES THRIVE, TOURIST VISIT AND LONG TIME RESIDENTS FEEL SEEN, VALUED AND PROTECTED. THIS IS ABOUT WHERE THE DALLAS HAS THE TIME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CEDRIC JOHNSON.

GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS CEDRIC JOHNSON, RETIRED NAVY CHIEF AND CURRENT NONTRADITIONAL STUDENT AT UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS, DALLAS. AS A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IN THE UNITED STATES NAVY, I'VE WORKED ON MANY FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE WHERE SAFETY FUNCTION AND LONG TERM SUSTAINABILITY MATTER. AND ONE THING I'VE LEARNED IS THIS THERE COMES A TIME WHEN YOU PATCH UP STRUCTURE THAT CAN NO LONGER.

YOU HAVE TO STOP PATCHING UP STRUCTURE THAT CAN NO LONGER SERVE ITS PURPOSE.

DALLAS CITY HALL IS. AT THAT POINT, WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO ASK TAXPAYERS TO POUR HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO TEMPORARY FIXES FOR A BUILDING THAT HAS REACHED ITS END AND ITS FUNCTIONAL LIFESPAN. THAT IS NOT RESPONSIBILITY OR LEADERSHIP THAT'S KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.

THIS IS BIGGER THAN EMOTION AND NOSTALGIA. THIS IS ABOUT FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.

EVERY DOLLAR SPENT TRYING TO SAVE AN OUTDATED BUILDING IS A DOLLAR.

WE CAN INVEST IN REAL NEEDS LIKE OUR PUBLIC SAFETY, OUR PARKS, OUR STREETS, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENTS.

WE HAVE TO THINK BOLDLY ABOUT THE FUTURE OF DALLAS, TEXAS.

THIS SITE HAS SOME OF THE MOST VALUABLE LAND IN THE CITY.

INSTEAD OF SINKING MONEY INTO ENDLESS REPAIRS, WE SHOULD REIMAGINE THIS SPACE INTO SOMETHING THAT CREATES ENERGY OPPORTUNITY, HOUSING, BUSINESS GROWTH, TOURISM, AND LONG TERM TAX REVENUE FOR THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS.

A VIBRANT DOWNTOWN CREATES ECONOMIC ACTIVITY.

ECONOMIC ACTIVITY CREATES REVENUE, AND THE NEW REVENUE MEANS WE CAN BETTER FUND THE SERVICES OF OUR RESIDENTS DEPENDING ON DEPENDING ON WITHOUT TAKING RESOURCES FROM POLICE, PARKS, LIBRARIES AND ROADS.

IT'S REALLY SIMPLE. MAINTAINING A FAILING STRUCTURE IS NOT PROGRESS.

BUILDING THE FUTURE IS DALLAS HAS NEVER BEEN A CITY AFRAID OF GROWTH AND BIG IDEAS.

THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A DECISION THAT POSITIONS DALLAS FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS, NOT JUST FIVE.

WE OWE TAXPAYERS HONESTY. WE OWE EMPLOYEES SAFE AND MODERN WORKING CONDITIONS, AND WE OWE THE FUTURE GENERATIONS THE COURAGE TO MOVE FORWARD AND NOT BACKWARDS.

THANK YOU. SHEMAR WILLIAMS. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS SHAMARI WILLIAMS AND I'M SPEAKING TODAY AS A YOUNG BLACK MAN WHO IS A PART OF THE NEXT GENERATION THAT WILL INHERIT THE DECISIONS MADE RIGHT NOW. I PRIDE MYSELF IN SOMEONE WHO LIKES TO CALL A THING A THING.

WHEN YOUNG PEOPLE LOOK AT DALLAS, WE SEE A CITY FULL OF OPPORTUNITY, CULTURE, DIVERSITY AND POTENTIAL.

BUT WE ALSO SEE A CITY AT CROSSROADS. DALLAS CITY HALL, THE PLACE THAT REPRESENTS LEADERSHIP AND PUBLIC SERVICE, IS SHOWING THE CONSEQUENCES OF DECADES OF DELAYED INVESTMENT AND TEMPORARY FIXES.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A BUILDING WITH MOLD, RODENTS, OUTDATED TECHNOLOGY, FAILING INFRASTRUCTURE, AND CONDITIONS THAT ARE DIFFICULT FOR BOTH THE PUBLIC AND CITY EMPLOYEES.

THAT SHOULD CONCERN ALL OF US, ESPECIALLY MY GENERATION, BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONES WHO WILL INHERIT THE COST OF FIXING THESE PROBLEMS OR THE BENEFITS

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THE CURRENT BUILDING CAN COST NEARLY 1 BILLION OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS.

THAT'S MONEY THAT COULD OTHERWISE SUPPORT NEIGHBORHOODS, PUBLIC SAFETY, PARKS, STREETS AND SERVICES FAMILIES RELY ON EVERY DAY.

MY GENERATION UNDERSTANDS THAT DOING NOTHING DOESN'T SAVE MONEY.

IT USUALLY MAKES THINGS MORE EXPENSIVE LATER.

YOUNG PEOPLE WANT LEADERSHIP THAT THINKS LONG TERM.

WE WANT DALLAS TO STOP REACTING TO THE PROBLEMS AND START PLANNING BOLDLY FOR THE FUTURE.

THIS CONVERSATION SHOULD NOT JUST BE ABOUT SAVING A BUILDING, IT SHOULD BE ABOUT CREATING OPPORTUNITIES, OPPORTUNITIES FOR ECONOMIC GROWTH, MODERN INFRASTRUCTURE, BETTER PUBLIC ACCESS, SAFER WORKING CONDITIONS, AND A STRONGER CITY FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS. AND AS DALLAS PLANS FOR THE FUTURE, WE MUST CONTINUE INVESTING IN PLACES LIKE FAIR PARK, ONE OF THE CROWN JEWELS OF OUR CITY. MY GENERATION SEES FAIR PARK NOT JUST AS HISTORY, BUT AS POTENTIAL, A PLACE THAT CAN CREATE JOBS, SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESSES, ATTRACT TOURISM AND DRIVE INVESTMENTS INTO SOUTHERN DALLAS.

THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANDRE MONTGOMERY.

GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. DIFFERENT OPINIONS ABOUT THE FUTURE OF CITY HALL DO NOT MEAN THAT SOMEONE LOVES DALLAS ANY LESS.

MANY OF US ARE PUSHING FOR CHANGE OR DOING SO BECAUSE WE LOVE THIS CITY ENOUGH TO CONFRONT ITS HISTORY AND DEMAND BETTER FOR ITS FUTURE.

LET'S TALK BRIEFLY ON HISTORY. WHEN THIS BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1970S, DALLAS WAS STILL DEEPLY SHAPED BY SEGREGATION, HOUSING DISCRIMINATION, AND SYSTEMIC INEQUALITY.

BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES ACROSS SOUTH DALLAS WERE FIGHTING TO BE HEARD, WHILE MAJOR DECISIONS WERE OFTEN MADE WITHOUT THE EQUAL REPRESENTATION.

EVEN DECADES LATER, MANY OF THOSE INEQUALITIES CONTINUE TO SURFACE, INCLUDING THE CITY OF DALLAS FACING A FEDERAL HUD INVESTIGATION IN 2013 OVER HOUSING PATTERNS TIED TO SEGREGATION. THAT HISTORY MATTERED BECAUSE IT REMINDS US THAT PROGRESS IS NOT AUTOMATIC, AND INSTITUTIONS MUST CONTINUE TO EVOLVE IF THEY TRULY WANT TO SERVE EVERY COMMUNITY FAIRLY.

BUT THIS CONVERSATION ISN'T JUST ABOUT THE PAST.

IT IS ABOUT THE CONDITIONS CITY EMPLOYEES FACE TODAY.

WE CANNOT CALL OURSELVES A MODERN, WORLD CLASS CITY.

WHILE WORKERS, INCLUDING 911 OPERATORS HANDLING LIFE OR DEATH EMERGENCIES, REPORTEDLY WORKING IN AGING CONDITIONS INVOLVING RATS, RODENTS, FLEAS AND DETERIORATING INFRASTRUCTURE.

DALLAS EMPLOYEES DESERVE SAFE, MODERN AND DIGNIFIED WORKSPACES.

RELOCATING CITY HALL AND REDEVELOPING THIS LAND IS NOT ABOUT ERASING HISTORY, IT IS ABOUT LEARNING FROM IT WHILE BUILDING A BETTER FUTURE.

THIS SPACE COULD BECOME GREEN SPACE ECONOMIC INVESTMENT AND REVITALIZED DOWNTOWN TO SERVE ALL OF DALLAS LOVING DALLAS DOES NOT MEAN RESISTING CHANGE.

SOMETIMES LOVING DALLAS MEANS HAVING THE COURAGE TO MODERNIZE AND BUILD A CITY THAT TRULY WORKS FOR EVERYONE.

THANK YOU. FRANK MIHALOPOULOS. FRANK MICHALOPOULOS IS NOT VIRTUAL. DEBORAH RICHARDS.

DEBORAH RICHARDS IS NOT PRESENT. JOHN MYLOPOULOS.

HI, MY NAME IS JOHN MICHALOPOULOS AND I'M A LONGTIME RESIDENT OF DISTRICT 11.

MY FAMILY HAS BEEN IN THIS LITTLE AREA FOR DECADES.

RESTAURANTS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE LIBRARY. MY WIFE WORKS UP THE STREET, SO I FIRSTHAND SEEN THE SHIFTS IN ENERGY AND SAFETY OF OUR CITY.

I'M HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR THE NEW STADIUM TO BE LOCATED DOWNTOWN.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT SUCCESSFUL URBAN MODELS LIKE SAN DIEGO, MINNEAPOLIS, DENVER, YOU SEE THAT WALKABLE AND THAT CONNECTION THAT THEY GET AND HOW THE CITY CAN GROW, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEW CONVENTION CENTER COMING IN.

AND I NEED TO REMIND EVERYBODY WE HAVE FIVE IM PEI BUILDINGS IN DALLAS.

AND WHEN I WALKED UP TO THIS THING, IT IS YOU GET EMOTIONAL, BUT YOU GOT TO PUSH EMOTIONS ASIDE BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT TAX DOLLARS WHERE WE CAN INVESTMENT BECAUSE THE CITY EXISTS ON MONEY COMING IN.

IT'S ABOUT REVENUE. IT'S ABOUT GROWTH. AND THE STARS LINED UP FOR US.

THE CHANCES OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENING TO DALLAS AGAIN, WHERE SOMEBODY CAN COME IN AND DO THIS.

AND YES, IT'S A COMPANY THAT'S GOING TO MAKE A LOT OF MONEY AND THE GREED AND ALL THAT, BUT THE CITY BENEFITS FROM THAT, TOO. JOBS, TAX DOLLARS AND THE DOWNTOWN WE SEE UPTOWN GROWING AND WE SEE DOWNTOWN STRUGGLING.

SO THE STARS LINED UP FOR US FOR THIS THING TO COME IN HERE AND GIVE THIS A SECOND CHANCE OF THE DOWNTOWN HAVING SOMETHING TO BECOME A DESTINATION.

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BUT OTHER THAN THE PROTESTERS AND THE CITY WORKERS AND THE MEDIA, WHO ELSE COMES HERE? AND AT NIGHT, IT'S A GHOST TOWN. SO, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN THESE EMPTY BUILDINGS THAT WE NEED TO FILL IN AND MOVE THIS STUFF IN THAT DIRECTION, THIS THING COULD BE THE THE STARTING POINT FOR THE WHOLE DOWNTOWN DALLAS.

AND I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR LISTENING TO ME. THANKS.

THANK YOU, JOSE AVILA.

GOOD MORNING MAYOR. GOOD MORNING COUNCIL. MY NAME IS JOSE AVILA.

I'M A DOWNTOWN DALLAS RESIDENT, AND I'M ALSO THE SECRETARY OF THE FARMERS MARKET STAKEHOLDERS ASSOCIATION.

THESE OPINIONS ARE MY OWN. I'M HERE BECAUSE I LOVE THIS CITY.

I LOVE THIS COMMUNITY. THE MAVS AND STARS AREN'T JUST A DOWNTOWN STORY, THEY'RE A CITYWIDE ECONOMIC ENGINE.

A DOUBLE A C GENERATES OVER $1.7 BILLION OF YEARLY ECONOMIC ACTIVITY.

IT DRAWS MILLIONS OF VISITORS AND FOOT TRAFFIC, AND SUPPORTS THOUSANDS OF JOBS AND SMALL BUSINESSES YEAR ROUND IN THE COMMUNITY.

IF THOSE TEAMS RELOCATE NORTH, THAT ECONOMIC ACTIVITY AND REVENUE GOES WITH THEM, ALONG WITH THE JOBS THAT MANY DALLAS RESIDENTS RELY ON WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY OF WHERE THEY LIVE. THE LOSS OF JOBS AND REVENUE WILL DIRECTLY IMPACT DISTRICT 214, SEVEN, SIX, ONE AND FOUR BEFORE TRICKLING OVER TO THE REST OF THE CITY. INVESTING HERE ISN'T JUST ABOUT DOWNTOWN, IT'S ABOUT UNLOCKING OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITIES AROUND THE URBAN CORE THAT HAVE WAITED FOR THIS KIND OF CATALYST. PUBLIC DOLLARS SHOULD WORK HARDEST WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE THE MOST IMPACT FOR THE OVERALL COMMUNITY.

PER PUBLIC RECORDS, THOSE LEADING THE THREAT TO SUE OUR CITY AND HOLD TAXPAYERS HOSTAGE HAVE PROFESSIONAL, CIVIC AND OR RESIDENTIAL TIES TO THE SUBURBS THAT DIRECTLY BENEFIT IF OUR URBAN CORE WEAKENS AND OUR CITY COUNCIL CAVES.

SPECIFICALLY PLANO. NOW, I DON'T QUESTION THESE INDIVIDUALS MOTIVATION BEING PRESERVATION.

HOWEVER, WE CANNOT IGNORE THAT THE LEGAL EFFORTS THREATENING TO BLOCK THE CITY FROM MAKING INFORMED AND COMMON SENSE DECISIONS ABOUT CITY OWNED LAND AND CITY DEVELOPMENT IS BEING LED BY INDIVIDUALS WHO, WITH ROOTS IN CITIES, IN A CITY THAT HAS BEEN OUR BIGGEST COMPETITOR FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR DECADES.

IF DALLAS HESITATES, WE LOSE AND THE SUBURBS WIN YET AGAIN.

THE SURVEY THAT THE CITY PUT OUT SHOWS THAT THAT THOSE THAT WANT TO REIMAGINE, RELOCATE CITY OUTNUMBER THOSE WHO WANT TO STAY AND KEEP IT AS THE STATUS QUO. PLEASE, I URGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO VOTE FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT, FOR VOTE FOR EQUITY AND VOTE FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SHELBY BOBOWSKI. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS SHELBY BOBOWSKI. I'M A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT 12, AND I'M HERE TO RESPECTFULLY ASK CITY COUNCIL TO REVISE THE HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGE ORDINANCE, CHAPTER 47 A. OF DALLAS CITY CODE AND ADD SAFEGUARDS FOR THE PUBLIC AND HORSES, LIKE MANY OF YOU AGREE TO DO. TWO YEARS AGO, MY SON ATTENDS BOOKER T HIGH SCHOOL AND IS A THEATER STUDENT.

HE LEAVES THE SCHOOL EVERY NIGHT AT DIFFERENT TIMES.

SOMETIMES IT'S 12:00, SOMETIMES IT'S 7:00. BACK IN OCTOBER, WHILE I WAS WAITING FOR HIM, I PROPERLY TURNED ONTO A ONE WAY STREET AND NEARLY HIT A HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGE. THE CARRIAGE HAD ONE LIGHT ON ITS BACK AND AGAIN IT WAS DRIVING DOWN THE WRONG WAY ON A ONE WAY STREET.

I'M AN ATTORNEY AND AN ADJUNCT LAW PROFESSOR, I SAID.

HOW IS THIS LEGAL? SO FROM OCTOBER UNTIL THE PRESENT, WHILE WAITING FOR MY SON, I OBSERVED AND RECORDED THE HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGES FROM KLYDE WARREN PARK TO WEST END TO AT&T DISCOVERY DISTRICT.

HERE'S WHAT I FOUND. 41 TIMES THOSE HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGES WERE PARKED ILLEGALLY IN THE RIDESHARE ZONES.

BOTH OF THE HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGES WENT DOWN THE WRONG WAY AT LEAST 22 TIMES.

BOTH CARRIAGES WERE MISSING. LIGHTS ON 36 OCCASIONS.

ON 18 OCCASIONS THEY FAILED TO OFFER DRINKING WATER TO THE HORSES.

BOTH CARRIAGES FAILED TO ALLOW A TEN MINUTE REST PERIOD ON 23 OCCASIONS.

AND THEN THE POOP MORE AND MORE POOP ALL OVER THE PLACE DOWNTOWN.

AND SO I ALSO WITNESSED ONE DRIVER RUN A RED LIGHT, TWO ILLEGAL TURNS, AND THERE CONTINUED TO BE VIOLATION UPON VIOLATION.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, I FINALLY SPOKE WITH SCOTT WALTON, THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION AT THE TIME.

HE TOLD ME THE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS GO HOME AT SIX.

THAT'S WHEN THEY COME OUT. THAT'S WHEN THE HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGES COME OUT.

SO THE CARRIAGES GET AWAY WITH VIOLATING THE ORDINANCE AND THEY WILL NEVER BE TICKETED FOR PAST, PRESENT OR FUTURE VIOLATIONS. WHAT GOOD IS AN ORDINANCE IF IT CAN NEVER BE ENFORCED? WHY SHOULD DALLAS SPEND TAXPAYER MONEY TO PROP UP A DYING BUSINESS? IF YOU'RE OPPOSED TO THE BAN, I RESPECTFULLY ASK.

AT THE MINIMUM, YOU CHANGE THE TEMPERATURE FROM 99 DEGREES TO 85 DEGREES.

EVEN THE DALLAS MOUNTED POLICE DON'T GO OUT AFTER 85 DEGREES.

AS DALLAS PREPARES FOR THE WORLD CUP. I REALLY HOPE YOU LOOK AT THAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. JESSICA. THANK

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IT IS SOMETHING WE DO TOGETHER. I AM TOUCHED BY THE VOICES THAT I HEAR AT COUNCIL WHEN WE MIGHT HAVE OPPOSING VIEWS, BUT I HAVE A SENSE THAT WE HAVE SHARED VALUES AND I FEEL THAT WAY ABOUT EVERYONE AT THE HORSESHOE IS THAT UNDERNEATH OUR OPINIONS, OUR PERSPECTIVES, AND OUR STORIES, WE HAVE SHARED VALUES.

AND SADLY, WE'RE IN A POSITION OF OPPOSING PEOPLE WITH SHARED VALUES BECAUSE OF THE MISINFORMATION.

THAT IS NOT FAIR FOR US AND FOR THE BEST THAT WE CAN BE.

MISINFORMATION, A LACK OF TRANSPARENCY, AND AN INVENTED NARRATIVE ABOUT CITY HALL.

THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL, PRISTINE BUILDING THAT IS NOT FALLING APART.

AND ANYONE WHO SAYS THIS BUILDING HAS OUTLIVED ITS PURPOSE.

I'D LIKE TO RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS BUILDING IS.

IT'S A MODEL FOR OUR DEMOCRACY. DOES OUR DEMOCRACY NOT EXIST? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I HEAR. WHEN ANYONE SAYS THIS BUILDING HAS OUTLIVED ITS PURPOSE.

NO, THIS IS MY VOICE. THIS IS MY VOICE RIGHT NOW.

I COME TO THE PLAZA TO EXPRESS MY VOICE. IF YOU TAKE THIS PLAZA AWAY AND LEAVE THE DECISION OF.

I CAN PROTEST TO RAY WASHBURNE. THAT IS NOT FAIR.

WE ARE ON THE SAME SIDE. RIGHT NOW OUR PRESIDENT IS GOING TO SUPREME COURT TO OVERRIDE BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP.

THEY'RE REMOVING THEIR LAWS TO PROTECTING VOTERS.

AND WHAT ARE WE DOING? WE'RE TRYING TO DISPEL A BUNCH OF MISINFORMATION.

THIS IS OUR DEMOCRACY. AND WHO WHO DOES IT MATTER TO ME.

KNOW IT MATTERS TO THE PEOPLE WHO NEED IT THE MOST.

THE HOMELESS MAN. THAT'S YOUR INNOCENT PEOPLE.

PLEASE. THANK YOU, CHRIS THOMPSON. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS CHRIS THOMPSON.

I'M A BORN AND RAISED DALLASITE, AND MY WIFE AND I ARE RAISING OUR THREE YOUNG CHILDREN IN THE URBAN CORE AND A 100 YEAR OLD TUDOR HOME IN GREENLAND HILLS.

I MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE I RESPECT PRESERVATION, THE BUILDINGS AND NEIGHBORHOODS WE INHERIT ARE PART OF DALLAS STORY, AND THEY SHOULD NOT BE DISMISSED CASUALLY. BUT PRESERVATION ALSO REQUIRES JUDGMENT.

IT CANNOT ONLY MEAN PRESERVING EVERY SQUARE FOOT OF EVERY BUILDING IN ITS CURRENT USE, NO MATTER THE COST OR THE OPPORTUNITY IN FRONT OF US.

DALLAS HAS FOUND CREATIVE BALANCE BEFORE, WHEN THE FORMER DE ISD HEADQUARTERS ON ROSS AVENUE WAS REDEVELOPED, THE SITE CHANGED, BUT MEANINGFUL ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS WERE INCORPORATED INTO SOMETHING NEW.

THAT KIND OF THINKING SHOULD BE PART OF THIS CONVERSATION, TOO. THIS DECISION IS BIGGER THAN ONE BUILDING AND BIGGER THAN ANY ONE PRIVATE PROJECT.

WE SHOULD ASK WHAT THIS PART OF DOWNTOWN CAN BECOME, NOT JUST WHAT WE SPEND TO MAINTAIN, BUT WE HAVE THE COURAGE TO CREATE.

I SPENT FIVE YEARS WORKING DOWNTOWN AT THE DALLAS REGIONAL CHAMBER, AND THAT EXPERIENCE SHAPED HOW I THINK ABOUT DOWNTOWN.

IT IS ONE OF OUR MOST IMPORTANT TOOLS FOR ATTRACTING PEOPLE INVESTMENT, EMPLOYERS, VISITORS AND FAMILIES.

AND AS SOMEONE WHO HAS LIVED IN AND TRAVELED OFTEN TO OUR COUNTRY'S GREAT CITIES, I KNOW THE PLACES PEOPLE ARE DRAWN TO ARE THE ONES THAT FEEL ACTIVE AND CONNECTED, WHERE YOU CAN WALK TO DINNER, MEET FOR COFFEE, SEE PEOPLE ON THE STREET, AND FEEL REAL ENERGY.

BEFORE DALLAS COMMITS TO $1 BILLION SCALE REPAIR PATH, TAXPAYERS DESERVE A CLEAR ANSWER TO A BASIC QUESTION IS THIS REALLY THE BEST USE OF PUBLIC MONEY? I DO NOT BELIEVE IT IS. I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO SPEND TAXPAYER DOLLARS REPAIRING.

I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU NOT TO SPEND TAXPAYER DOLLARS REPAIRING THIS BUILDING.

INSTEAD, FULLY PURSUE A DIFFERENT FUTURE FOR THIS SITE, ONE THAT CAN SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES, CREATE ACTIVITY, CONNECT NEIGHBORHOODS, GROW THE TAX BASE, AND MAKE DOWNTOWN A PLACE PEOPLE CHOOSE TO SPEND TIME.

WE CAN RESPECT THE PAST WITHOUT LETTING IT LIMIT OUR IMAGINATION FOR THE FUTURE OF DOWNTOWN DALLAS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOLANDA WILLIAMS HAS CANCELED.

CAITLYN BEDFORD. CAITLYN BEDFORD WILL BE VIRTUAL.

CAITLYN BEDFORD, I'M HERE. JUST. CAMERA IS NOT WORKING.

I'M TRYING TO GET THAT FIXED. ONE SECOND. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. YOU MAY BEGIN. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR JOHNSON AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS CAITLIN BEDFORD. I'M A DALLAS RESIDENT OF DISTRICT TWO.

MY ASK IS DIRECT. REHABILITATE DALLAS CITY HALL, MODERNIZE THE PLAZA.

STOP THIS RUSH TO JUDGMENT BEFORE YOU MAKE AN IRREVERSIBLE DECISION.

FIRST OFF, CITY HALL IS OPERATIONAL. THE MAJOR SYSTEMS ARE OLD.

WATER INTRUSION IS SYSTEMIC, AND ACCESSIBILITY AND TECHNOLOGY GAPS ARE SUBSTANTIAL.

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SECONDLY, THE STUDIES ON THE COST OF FIXING THIS ARE ALL OVER THE MAP.

A MS INITIAL FIGURE IS A CORRECTIVE REPAIR BASELINE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A 20 YEAR SCOPE PLACING IT BETWEEN SURPLUS OF A BILLION.

HAVE WE EVEN FIGURED OUT THE COST OF TEARING THIS DOWN AND HAULING IT AWAY? I'M NOT PRONE TO CONSPIRACY THEORIES, BUT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHY SO MANY PEOPLE DON'T TRUST ANYTHING COMING OUT OF CITY HALL.

LET'S BE CANDID ABOUT WHY WE ARE HERE. THOSE IN POSITIONS OF POWER HAVE FAILED THIS BUILDING AND HAVE FAILED TAXPAYERS.

THAT IS A GOVERNANCE PATTERN AND IT WILL PRODUCE THE NEXT FAILURE UNLESS WE CHANGE HOW WE STEWARD CIVIC ASSETS.

DURING THE CITY'S OPEN CALL FOR IDEAS, 321 FAVORED REPAIR OR RESTORATION, 85 FAVORED DEMOLITION.

AND WE'VE SEEN SOME INCREDIBLE IDEAS TO REIMAGINE AND REHABILITATE CITY HALL.

WHAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET IS A PROPOSAL FROM THE MAVS.

YET WE ARE RACING TOWARDS THE POINT OF NO RETURN WITHOUT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE CITY NEEDS FOR THE CITY HALL SITE TO WORK.

THAT ALONE MEANS THIS SOLUTION BECOMES A DISTRICT ASSEMBLY, NOT A CITY HALL SOLUTION.

HAVE WE EVEN EXPLORED USING ALL THAT LAND BETWEEN THE NEW CONVENTION CENTER AND MEMORIAL ARENA? RIGHT NOW THAT IS ALL CITY OWNED PROPERTY, AND WE WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE TAX ROLLS.

DALLAS CAN HAVE BOTH THE STADIUM AND THE I.M.

PEI CITY HALL ARCHITECTURE GYM. WE NEED TO SLOW THIS PROCESS DOWN.

TAKE MORE TIME TO LOOK AT YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.

ARTHUR. SANTA MARIA.

GOOD MORNING. I'M HERE TODAY. AS SOMEONE WHO BELIEVES DEEPLY IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS.

I LIVED IN DOWNTOWN FOR 18 YEARS AND STILL WORK HERE TODAY.

I REMEMBER WHEN DOWNTOWN HAD ONLY A FEW HUNDRED RESIDENTS.

I WATCHED IT GROW BLOCK BY BLOCK INTO A REAL NEIGHBORHOOD WITH MORE THAN 15,000 PEOPLE NOW CALLING IT HOME.

THAT DID NOT HAPPEN BY ACCIDENT. IT HAPPENED BECAUSE PEOPLE BELIEVED DOWNTOWN DALLAS COULD BE MORE THAN OFFICE TOWERS, PARKING LOTS AND GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS. BUT TODAY, DOWNTOWN DOWNTOWN DESPERATELY NEEDS A SHOT IN THE ARM.

AT&T S ANNOUNCEMENT THAT IT WILL MOVE TO PLANO SHOULD BE A WAKE UP CALL TO US ALL.

WE CAN DEBATE WHY IT HAPPENED, BUT THE MESSAGE IS CLEAR.

DOWNTOWN CANNOT RELY ONLY ON YESTERDAY'S CORPORATE OFFICE MODEL.

WE HAVE TO COMPETE FOR ACTIVITY, INVESTMENT, VISITORS AND ENERGY.

WE HAVE TO CREATE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE.

THAT IS WHY A NEW MAJOR ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT IN DOWNTOWN MATTERS.

IT CAN HELP CONNECT THE CORE OF DOWNTOWN WITH THE FARMERS MARKET, THE NEW CONVENTION CENTER DISTRICT AND THE CEDARS INTO ONE ACTIVE, WALKABLE AND VIBRANT COMMUNITY. MISSING OUT ON AN OPPORTUNITY LIKE THIS WOULD BE A MISTAKE.

DALLAS HAS ALREADY WATCHED TOO MANY MAJOR PROJECTS MOVE NORTH.

IF WE DON'T REINVEST IN DOWNTOWN, WE WILL BE TELLING RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES AND FUTURE INVESTORS THAT THE HEART OF DALLAS IS NOT OUR PRIORITY. AND ONCE AGAIN LEAVE THE ENTIRE SOUTHERN SECTOR FURTHER BEHIND THAN IT ALREADY IS.

I RESPECT THE HISTORY AND ARCHITECTURE OF CITY HALL, BUT CITIES ARE LIVING THINGS.

THEY MUST EVOLVE. THE QUESTION BEFORE US IS NOT WHETHER THE BUILDING HAS SIGNIFICANCE.

SACHSE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BEFORE I CALL THE NEXT GROUP, I WOULD LIKE TO.

I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO SPEAKER 14 WHO WAS HAVING A TECHNICAL ISSUE.

FRANK MICHALOPOULOS. FRANK MICHALOPOULOS, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YOU'RE MUTED IF YOU ARE SPEAKING.

OKAY. OKAY. HEAR ME NOW. CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? YES.

GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. SORRY FOR THE DELAY.

I'M IN LAS VEGAS FOR A SHOPPING CENTER CONFERENCE AND FIRSTHAND WITNESSING WHAT AN AMAZING CONVENTION CENTER THIS HAS TRANSFORMED TO BE.

I WASN'T PLANNING TO SPEAK IN MAYOR JOHNSON TODAY OR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AS TWO WEEKS AGO I WENT TO THE RANGERS CLUB GAME AND I WITNESSED LIVE AMERICAN LIFE. I WITNESSED WHAT THE ARLINGTON BALLPARK HAS BECOME AFTER 50 YEARS OF BEING A BALLPARK OF JUST AN EMPTY PARKING LOT BY THE OWNERSHIP,

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IT WAS IT WAS ACTIVE AND LIVE. AND I CAN IMAGINE WHAT COULD HAPPEN HERE.

I IMAGINE THE THE BRIDGE THAT WE BUILT OVER THE YEARS.

I'VE BEEN COMING TO CITY HALL SINCE 1978, I'VE WITNESSED FIRSTHAND THE REAL ESTATE COUNCIL HELPING BUILD THE CLYDE WARNER PARK.

I WITNESS HALPERIN PARK. THIS IS A CHANCE FOR US TO BUILD A BRIDGE, TO CONNECT THE CONVENTION CENTER TO FARMERS MARKET, TO CONNECT THIS PART OF TOWN. WHAT WE'VE CREATED IS A IS AN I.M.

PEI HISTORIC BUILDING, BUT WE ALSO CREATED A BIG CONCRETE PARKING LOT THAT ONLY GETS USED TWICE A YEAR, MAINLY AS A FOR A MARATHON OR FOR THE WHITE ROCK, WHITE ROCK LAKE MARATHON OR FOR THE TURKEY TROT.

AN OCCASIONAL DEMONSTRATION. BUT WHAT'S MISSING IS A GREEN PLAZA, A PLAZA, AND AN ACTIVITY CENTER WHERE THE CITY CAN HAVE EVENTS.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE NEEDING. THIS IS ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY NOT ONLY TO SAVE TWO PROFESSIONAL TEAMS. WE HAVE THE DALLAS STARS THAT WE HAVE TO SAVE AT THE AMERICAN AIRLINES CENTER.

WE HAVE THE DALLAS MAVERICKS TO SAVE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE PRIDE OF HAVING A DALLAS TEAM AND A DALLAS WINGS ALL PLAYING IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

THIS IS A PIECE OF A BIGGER PUZZLE THAT COULD FIX THIS PART OF TOWN THAT WE'VE BEEN NEEDING FOR OVER 50 YEARS.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, AND I'M SORRY FOR THE INCONVENIENCE THAT I'M NOT THERE IN PERSON TO GREET YOU ALL, BUT I'M HERE WORKING. TAKE CARE. THANK YOU. YOUR NEXT GROUP OF SPEAKERS.

WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, I WILL ASK THAT YOU COME FORWARD AND HAVE A SEAT ON THE FIRST THREE ROWS OF THIS INTERSECTION.

MICHAEL. KING. MR. KING, IF YOU'RE IN THE IF YOU'RE PRESENT, YOU MAY COME TO THE PODIUM.

VALETTA. FORSYTH. LIL. MICHAEL. AMONETTE. MATTHEW.

MABEL. TITUS. SOLOMON. SHELLEY. POTTER. MATT.

HOUSTON. DAVID. VOSS. JENNIFER. SCRIPPS. KEVIN.

PFEIFER. BRUCE. RICHARDSON. ADAM. LAMONT. JEREMY.

HINES. KIRSTEN. ANDERSON. DOMINIQUE. ALEXANDER.

CHRISTOPHER. WEISS. HUSSEIN. MENGI HAS CANCELED.

KOYA. LONDON. DOLORES. LEVY. SOROKA. MARCEL. QUIMBY.

ZAIDA. BASRA. ELISE. TAYLOR. MICHAEL. KING. THANK YOU, MADAM SECRETARY. TO THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL. RECENTLY, I WAS I WAS REVIEWING THE FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT PERFORMANCE OF CITY HALL.

THERE ARE TWO ITEMS THAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION THAT ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE. FACILITIES, REPLACEMENT VERSUS MAINTENANCE ANALYSIS AND THE ANNUAL ASSESSMENT OF EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE, FACILITY MAINTENANCE AND REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INTERNAL REPAIRS OF CITY HALL AND OTHER CITY FACILITIES.

WHY HASN'T THIS BEEN DONE? YOU HAVE A BUDGET ITEM EVERY YEAR OF MAINTENANCE FUNDS TO MAINTAIN FACILITIES.

WHERE'S THE MONEY GOING? THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE PREPARING THIS BUILDING. I'M ASKING THE CITY, THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL TO ASK THE CITY AUDITOR TO DO A COMPLETE AUDIT OF THIS TRANSACTION ABOUT THE ISSUE OF CITY HALL.

IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE FOR YEARS TO HAVE LEAKS IN THE BUILDING WITHOUT BEING FIXED.

JUST LIKE AT YOUR HOUSE, HAVING A ROOF LEAK FOR 10 OR 15 YEARS, YOU AIN'T GOING TO HAVE NOTHING.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. BECAUSE MY LANGUAGE.

I'M SORRY. I'M GETTING UPSET RIGHT NOW. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

PLEASE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO. I TOLD WE'RE NOT GOING TO LOSE THIS BUILDING. I'M GLAD TO SEE SOMEBODY FILING A LAWSUIT BECAUSE I PLAN TO FILE ONE MYSELF.

THERE IS FUNDS HERE AT CITY HALL, THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.

AFTER MY CONVERSATION WITH THE STATE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE IN AUSTIN THAT FUNDS CAN BE USED TO TAKE CARE OF A PUBLIC FACILITY.

HAVE Y'ALL DONE THAT? HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO MY WHAT I ASK YOU TO DO? I BROUGHT TO YOU IN MARCH. PLEASE. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THIS BUILDING, BUT ASK THE CITY AUDITOR TO DO A COMPLETE AUDIT BECAUSE SOME NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS ALREADY DONE PRIVATE AUDITS, HAVE TO DO SOME THINGS FOR YOU ALREADY.

I HAVE THE REPORT. I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME. I HAVE SOME REPORTS THAT SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS ALREADY HAVE SOME SOME INDIVIDUAL AUDITS OF CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS.

IT'S ALREADY ONLINE CITY HALL. AND I ASK ALL THE CITIZENS, GO AND LOOK AT EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE FORMER CITY OFFICIAL. IT'S VERY EMBARRASSING WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH IN THIS CITY, OUR GOVERNMENT.

THANK YOU, MADAM SECRETARY, I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, HONORABLE VALETTA FORSYTHE.

LIL.

VALETTA FORSYTHE LITTLE, 622 BELLAIRE BOULEVARD.

HOW WE VALUE OUR ART AND OUR HISTORY IS A GLIMPSE INTO THE SOUL OF A COMMUNITY.

THAT IS MY QUOTE FROM A DALLAS OBSERVER ARTICLE 16 YEARS AGO.

IT ECHOES TODAY THIS BRIEFING, LIKE SO MUCH INFORMATION YOU GIVE TO THE PUBLIC TODAY, SMOTHERS US IN NUMBERS WITHOUT

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YOU STILL HAVE 4,000,000 IN 2017 BONDS. YOU HAVE 18 MILLION IN ARPA FUNDS.

YOU RECEIVED ACTUALLY UP TO $30 MILLION TOTAL.

YOU COULD HAVE USED ON THIS BUILDING YOUR OWN FACILITIES ASSESSMENT SAID 18,000,000 IN 2018.

SPEND THE MONEY YOU HAVE, REPAIR IT OVER TEN YEARS.

AND THEN THERE'S THE COMPARATIVE RENTAL NUMBERS, WHICH YOU DON'T HAVE.

THEN THERE IS NO FINANCIAL ANALYSIS, ENVIRONMENTAL COST OF DEMOLISHING THIS BUILDING, 400,000 TONS OF CONCRETE AND REBAR THAT YOU WILL BE HAULING OUT FOR YEARS.

PLEASE SLOW THIS DOWN. GET APPLES TO APPLES. AS COMPARISON.

BE TRANSPARENT. SPEND THE MONEY YOU HAVE. BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THIS BUILDING.

OUR TAX DOLLARS AND REPORT TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS.

THANK YOU, MICHAEL AMONETTE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

MY NAME IS MICHAEL AMONETTE. I LIVE AT 2210 WEST 10TH.

I'M A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT ONE, THIRD GENERATION OAK CLIFF, NATIVE OF THE 418, RECENTLY SUBMITTED IDEAS OF WHAT TO DO WITH CITY HALL SOLICITED BY YOU.

THE CITY OF DALLAS 321 OF THOSE WERE TO REPAIR AND RESTORE IT.

321 OUT OF 418. THAT RATIO HAS BEEN PRESENT AT THE THREE PREVIOUS MEETINGS THAT I'VE SPOKEN AT.

IT'S EASY TO SEE WHY PEOPLE DON'T FEEL WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FORM OF GOVERNMENT IGNORING THE CLEAR WILL OF THE MAJORITY AS AFFRONT TO OUR DEMOCRACY. DEMOCRACY IS ALREADY UNDER ATTACK IN THIS COUNTRY BY THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION. YET MANY OF YOU APPEAR DETERMINED TO GIVE ONE OF HIS TOP DONORS 50 ACRES OF OUR DOWNTOWN.

KERA HAD A STORY THIS MORNING, JUST THIS MORNING, THAT LOCAL ELECTIONS ARE THE NEXT FRONTIER IN THE QUEST TO CAPITALIZE ON THE GUTTING OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT. LOCAL ELECTIONS. THEY SAID THE RESURRECTION OF AT LARGE REPRESENTATIVES IS ON THE TABLE.

THE RETURN OF TEN FOR ONE COULD VERY WELL BE IN OUR FUTURE.

AT THE TRANSPORTATION HEARING ON THE OAK CLIFF VIADUCT YESTERDAY, SOME OF YOU ASKED STAFF REPEATEDLY WHAT PROBLEM WERE THEY TRYING TO SOLVE BY SO DRASTICALLY DISRUPTING ONE OF OAK CLIFF'S PRIMARY CONNECTIONS TO DOWNTOWN IN NUMEROUS PLATITUDES ABOUT CONNECTIVITY OPPORTUNITIES, THEY NEVER COULD BRING THEMSELVES TO STATE THE OBVIOUS, SIMPLY BECAUSE WE ARE PUTTING A BUILDING IN THE MIDDLE OF A ROAD THAT 7800 PEOPLE USE EVERY DAY. THE TRAFFIC OFFICIAL ADMITTED THEY HADN'T SPENT MUCH TIME COMMUNICATING THEIR PLANS TO THE PUBLIC, BUT THEY'VE BEEN MEETING HEAVILY WITH ADJACENT DEVELOPERS AND STAKEHOLDERS TO MAKE SURE THEIR NEEDS WERE MET. AND THAT IS DALLAS IN A NUTSHELL.

A HANDFUL OF DEVELOPERS, MANY WHO DON'T EVEN LIVE IN DALLAS, SEEM TO ALWAYS TAKE PRECEDENCE OVER THE REST OF THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF US WHO ARE ACTUAL CONSTITUENTS. WE PAY SOME OF THE HIGHEST PROPERTY TAXES IN THE NATION.

VALUATIONS HAVE INCREASED 112% SINCE 2014. REVENUE HAS INCREASED FROM 742.3 MILLION TO 1.4 BILLION.

BUT WE STILL ARE TOLD WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY EXCEPT FOR THINGS LIKE BUILDINGS.

NO ONE CAN USE HOTEL SUBSIDIES FOR BILLIONAIRES, 75 YEAR TAX ABATEMENTS, AND $350,000 FOR A SURVEY THAT DIDN'T EVEN INCLUDE THE QUESTION TO SAVE CITY HALL.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MATTHEW MAPLE.

THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS MATTHEW MAPLE.

I'M A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT NINE. WHEN WE WERE ALL HERE A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, THERE WERE THREE HUGE CRISES PROBLEMS THAT WE HAD TO SOLVE.

THE FIRST WAS THAT THE BUILDING WAS FALLING DOWN AND CRUMBLING. THE SECOND WAS THAT IT WOULD COST $1 BILLION TO REPAIR, AND THE THIRD WAS THAT THERE WAS NO WAY TO BUILD AN ARENA ON THE SOUTH END OF DOWNTOWN WITHOUT KNOCKING THIS BUILDING WE'RE SITTING IN TODAY DOWN.

EVERYBODY CAME TOGETHER AND HIT THE PAUSE BUTTON.

BOTH SIDES. AND WHAT WE'VE LEARNED SINCE THEN IS ALL THREE OF THOSE CRISES WERE FABRICATED.

THEY WERE NOT REAL. THE BUILDINGS NOT FALLING DOWN.

IT WON'T TAKE A BILLION TO FIX IT. AND WE CAN KEEP OUR BUILDING AND HAVE AN ARENA IF THAT'S WHAT WE CHOOSE.

AT THE SOUTH END OF DOWNTOWN, THE TEN YEAR PLAN TO FIX THIS BUILDING GIVES US A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO PRESERVE OUR ASSET, TO PAY AS WE GO TO LEARN WHO'S RIGHT. THE $300 MILLION ESTIMATE THAT THE CITY HAS FOR THE REPAIRS, OR THE $150 MILLION ESTIMATE THAT THE AIA HAS FOR THE REPAIRS, IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

AND IF YOU WANT TO SAY YES TO DOWNTOWN, WE CAN ALL SAY YES TO DOWNTOWN.

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WE CAN ALL GET WHAT WE WANT. THE CITY COUNCIL HAS THE POWER TO UNITE US, KEEP THE BUILDING, FIX THE BUILDING, BUILD THE ARENA. AND YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF, WHAT POSSIBLE REASON COULD THERE BE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL NOT UNITING US? WHY DO WE KEEP HEARING THESE DEBUNKED NUMBERS? WE'VE HEARD THE BILLION DOLLAR FIGURE 3 OR 4 TIMES TODAY.

WHY DO WE KEEP HEARING SPECIOUS ARGUMENTS ABOUT THINGS WE CAN'T DO? THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. TED. SOLOMON.

GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS TYPEKIT SOLOMON AND I RESIDE IN DISTRICT TWO, TO BE EXACT IN DEEP ELLUM.

AND I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE I BELIEVE SAYING YES TO DOWNTOWN DALLAS IS SAYING YES TO OPPORTUNITY.

GROWTH. EXCUSE ME. OPPORTUNITY, GROWTH AND INVESTMENT IN THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY.

A STRONG DOWNTOWN BENEFITS ALL OF DALLAS. IT CREATES JOBS, SUPPORTS SMALL BUSINESSES, STRENGTHENS TRANSPORTATION, BRINGS TOURISM, DRIVES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND INCREASED OPPORTUNITIES FOR ENTREPRENEURS AND WORKING FAMILIES ACROSS OUR COMMUNITIES.

AS SOMEONE WHO WORKS CLOSELY WITH UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES EVERY DAY, I KNOW PEOPLE WANT ACCESS, ACCESS TO OPPORTUNITY, ACCESS TO RESOURCES, AND ACCESS TO ECONOMIC GROWTH.

A THRIVING DOWNTOWN CREATES A RIPPLE EFFECT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY.

WHEN DOWNTOWN GROWS RESPONSIBLY, IT OPENS DOORS TO MINORITY OWNED BUSINESSES, COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, AND LONG TERM INVESTMENT THAT CAN IMPACT GENERATIONS TO COME.

DALLAS IS ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING CITIES IN OUR COUNTRY, AND WE SHOULD CONTINUE BUILDING A DOWNTOWN THAT REFLECTS THE ENERGY, DIVERSITY AND FUTURE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO CALLS THE CITY HOME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SHELLEY POTTER.

GOOD MORNING. SHELLEY POTTER, 4437 COLE AVENUE.

I'M ALSO A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. I'VE BEEN BEFORE YOU ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS, BUT I WANT TO GO ON RECORD TODAY AS SAYING SAVE CITY HALL.

THERE ARE SEVERAL REPORTS THAT YOU'VE GOT TO CONSIDER ON HOW TO RENOVATE OR REPAIR THIS BUILDING.

MAY BE COMMON SENSE AND REASONABLE JUDGMENT WILL ACTUALLY LEAD TO OTHER HYBRID SOLUTION IN PHASE PRIORITIES.

WE KNOW THAT KLYDE WARREN PARK AND HALPRIN PARK WERE BUILT OUT OF THIN AIR.

WE CAN HAVE BOTH. WE CAN HAVE CITY HALL AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DOWNTOWN TO REDEVELOP THE LAND AROUND THE CONVENTION CENTER. WE ALREADY HAVE AN IMPRESSIVE ROADMAP FROM OUR UTA STUDENTS AND OUR AIA ARCHITECTS.

IT HAS SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE, INCLUDING RENOVATED PEOPLE'S PLAZA, LOTS OF GREEN SPACE AND SPACE FOR SPORTS TEAMS. AS I LOOK BEHIND ME AT THE SEA OF BLUE, IT KIND OF REMINDS ME OF THE WHALES.

THEIR LOSS HAS BECOME A METAPHOR FOR POOR DECISION MAKING FOR SHORT TERM GAIN.

MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, PLEASE DON'T SELL YOUR SOULS FOR LIKE THE WHALES.

YOU CAN'T GET THEM BACK. THIS IS THE PEOPLE'S HOUSE AND SHOULD REMAIN THE SEAT OF OUR DEMOCRACY AS IT WAS INTENDED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MATT. HOUSTON.

MATT HOUSTON, 1504 BOCA CHICA DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS 75232.

SHOUTS OUT TO OAK CLIFF. MR. MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL STAFF.

I CAME HERE TODAY PREPARED TO PRESENT DATA MARKET ANALYSIS FINDINGS FROM CONVERSATIONS WITH REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONALS, BOTH LOCALLY AND FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND RESEARCH ON WHAT HAPPENS TO CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICTS WHEN AN ANCHOR LIKE PROFESSIONAL SPORTS FRANCHISE LEAVES. I HAVE ALL OF THAT. BUT ON MY MORNING WALK TODAY, I FOUND MYSELF THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING A BIT MORE PERSONAL.

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IT WAS THE TURN OF THE CENTURY. I WAS A STUDENT AT TOWNVIEW MAGNET CENTER RIGHT HERE IN DALLAS, AND I INHERITED A 1989 LINCOLN MARK SEVEN, RIGHT.

IT NEEDED GAS AND OIL. SOME OF Y'ALL KNOW MY DAD.

HE WASN'T GIVING ME MONEY, SO I NEEDED A JOB.

I FOUND ONE ON GAME NIGHTS AT VICTORY PARK, WORKING FOR THE DALLAS MAVERICKS.

WITH THAT PROXIMITY GAVE ME BETWEEN MY SCHOOL, MY NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT ARENA WAS SOMETHING I HADN'T EXPECTED.

IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I STEPPED INTO A MARKETPLACE OUTSIDE OF OAK CLIFF.

IT WAS THE FIRST PLACE IN DALLAS WHERE I SAW IN REAL TIME, A LOT OF WHAT I HAD ONLY IMAGINED WAS POSSIBLE.

THAT ARENA WASN'T JUST A BUILDING FOR A YOUNG MAN DRIVING HIMSELF TO WORK FOR THE FIRST TIME.

IT WAS A DOORWAY, AND I DON'T WANT TO CLOSE THAT DOOR FOR THE NEXT GENERATION.

I'M HERE TODAY IN OPPOSITION. I'M NOT HERE TODAY IN OPPOSITION TO ANYONE.

I'M HERE AS A NEIGHBOR AND AN EDUCATOR AND A COMMUNITY BUILDER.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DAVID VOS.

MY NAME IS DAVID VOS. I LIVE AT SIX, FIVE, FOUR SIX ORIOLE DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS, 75209.

AND COUNCIL DISTRICT NUMBER TWO. I SPOKE TO THIS COUNCIL IN MARCH, IN APRIL IN SUPPORT OF SAVING DALLAS CITY HALL.

I WAS ONE OF THE CITY HALL'S BUILDING MANAGERS BACK IN 1978 WHEN IT OPENED.

YOU MIGHT REMEMBER, I'M THE GUY IN MY TEAM THAT UNVEILED THAT CITY SEAL FOR THE FIRST TIME WHEN THE FIRST COUNCIL MEMBER MEETING HAPPENED IN THIS CHAMBER.

I'M NOT HERE TODAY, THOUGH, FOR EMOTIONAL, HISTORICAL REASONS.

I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT I KNOW AND I HAVE LEARNED AND I CAN REFLECT TO THIS BUILDING FROM MY 50 YEAR EXPERIENCE AS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY MANAGER. I'VE RECENTLY TAKEN ON A TASK OF PERSONALLY INSPECTING THIS BUILDING'S CONDITION, AND I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF MY FINDINGS AND MY THOUGHTS ON ON HOW TO FIX THEM.

I DID A REPORT ON THE EXTERIOR STRUCTURE OF THIS BUILDING.

AND TO CUT TO THE CHASE, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU'VE BEEN TOLD OR WHAT'S BEEN REPORTED, DALLAS CITY HALL IS NOT FALLING APART. IT IS NOT ABOUT TO FALL DOWN.

NOT NOW. NOT IN MY GRANDKIDS LIFETIME. MAYBE NOT EVER, EXCEPT FOR THE STROKE OF A BAD POLITICAL DECISION.

I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE EXTERIOR LIGHTING ON THIS BUILDING.

THERE'S A SHOWCASE ELEMENT, AND 50% OF THE EXTERIOR LIGHTING IN THIS BUILDING CURRENTLY DOES NOT WORK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THIS BUILDING. ONLY 17% OF THE LIGHTS WORK ON THE EXTERIOR OF THIS BUILDING.

THAT'S THREE BULBS OUT OF ALL OF THEM THAT ARE HERE.

IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA AND YOU WANT TO ANYONE SERIOUS ABOUT THE CONNECT, THE CORE OR THE GROWTH SOUTH PROGRAMS, THE CITY OF DALLAS, MAYBE WE SHOULD CONSIDER LIGHTING UP THE SIDE OF THE PEOPLE'S BUILDING THAT FACES SOUTH.

IF YOU WANT TO CONNECT DALLAS, WHY DON'T WE TURN ON THE PORCH LIGHTS? I ALSO READ IN THE REPORTS ABOUT WHAT REPRESENTATIVE PHOTOGRAPHS ARE BEING SOLD TO THIS BUILDING.

THEY ARE NOT REPRESENTATIVE SAVE CITY HALL. JENNIFER SCRIPPS.

GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. I'M JENNIFER SCRIPPS, AND I'M THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF DOWNTOWN DALLAS, INC.. JUST THIS MORNING, WE HAD A PRESS CONFERENCE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH ALL OF OUR SAFE IN THE CITY COLLABORATORS.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MAYOR PRO TEM MORENO FOR BEING THERE.

AND WE HAVE OPENED THE DOWNTOWN CENTRAL PATROL DIVISION.

WE HAVEN'T OPENED IT YET. WE'VE ANNOUNCED THAT IT'S GOING TO BE JUST ACROSS THE STREET AT RADIANCE PLAZA FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS.

AND I WANT TO THANK THIS COUNCIL FOR TAKING THE SAFETY AND SECURITY IN DOWNTOWN SO VITALLY IMPORTANT.

BUT THIS IS NOT THE LONG TERM FIX THAT DOWNTOWN NEEDS.

DOWNTOWN IS THE LARGEST JOB MARKET BY FAR FOR DALLAS RESIDENTS WHO LIVE SOUTH OF I.

30S ARE THE MEDICAL DISTRICTS BAYLOR AND THE MEDICAL DISTRICT.

AND THE THIRD IS THE CITY OF PLANO. AND THAT IS BEFORE THE RECENT ANNOUNCEMENT BY AT&T.

AS A WORKING MOM WHO HAS ENJOYED SHORT COMMUTES THROUGHOUT MY CHILDREN'S LIVES, BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO LIVE IN DALLAS AND I HAVE WORKED DOWNTOWN, I WANT TO HAVE OTHER FAMILIES COME TO DALLAS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE JOBS AND THE ATTRACTIONS AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH THE AMENITIES THAT YOU ALL CARE ABOUT FOR YOUR DISTRICTS, BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT POURED HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO ANY ONE BUILDING FOR US TO CONTINUE TO GROW THE TAX BASE.

AND WE ARE 5% OF THE TAX BASE WITH LESS THAN 1% OF THE AREA IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

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IT TAKES MORE THAN ANY ONE BUILDING OR ANY ONE ENTITY.

WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. THESE OPPORTUNITIES DO NOT COME AROUND EVERY DAY AND EVERY YEAR WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR PEER CITIES, WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF THE PIECES. AND YES, DEI IS COMMITTED TO HELPING PLAN ALONG WITH THE CITY TO HELP CONNECT THOSE.

BUT WITH A HOLE IN THE MIDDLE THAT CUTS OFF OPPORTUNITY FOR MANY DALLAS RESIDENTS, AND WITHOUT A PLAN THAT IS GOING TO ATTRACT THE NEXT GENERATION OF URBAN REVITALIZATION, WE WILL NOT REACH OUR FULL POTENTIAL.

PLEASE MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU. KEVIN PFEIFER.

GOOD MORNING MAYOR. I'M A LONG TIME DALLAS RESIDENT.

I HAVE LIVED HERE OVER 60 YEARS, 40 YEARS, OVER 40 YEARS AS AN ARCHITECT.

SO I HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE BOTH WORKING IN DOWNTOWN AND BEING IN DOWNTOWN.

WE ALREADY OWN THIS BUILDING COMPLETELY FREE AND CLEAR.

WE DON'T PAY RENT ON IT. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT POSSIBLY MOVING OUT OF THIS BUILDING, THIS IS TANTAMOUNT TO GENERATIONAL THEFT.

BASICALLY PAYING RENT FOR THE NEXT UNKNOWN NUMBER OF GENERATIONS.

THAT ISN'T NECESSARY. SIMPLY DO THE WORK, DO THE HARD WORK, AND AND DO SOME TLC ON THIS BUILDING THAT'S REQUIRED.

IF YOU HAVE A HOUSE AND IT NEEDS A NEW ROOF, YOU PAY TO HAVE IT FIXED.

YOU DON'T JUST WAIT FOR IT TO GO AHEAD AND LEAK AND LEAK AND LEAK EVERY 20 YEARS OR SO.

ANOTHER FRANCHISE WILL BE LOOKING TO ABANDON THEIR NEW ARENA AND START ALL OVER AGAIN AND GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE SYNOPSIS.

QUIT TAKING A KNEE FOR SOME OUT OF TOWN SPORTS TEAM THAT JUST WANTS TO MAKE MONEY AT OUR EXPENSE.

REUNION ARENA A A C ANNEX SHOULD BE IN VALLEY VIEW OR SOMEWHERE ELSE.

THEY COULD EVEN BE IN DOWNTOWN IF THEY WOULD SIMPLY LOOK AT WHAT THE UTA STUDENTS PROPOSE FOR RENOVATING DOWNTOWN WHILE SAVING CITY HALL. I'VE REQUESTED THIS BEFORE.

SLOW DOWN. YOU ARE IN A SOME SORT OF A MAD DASH TO MAKE A DECISION THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE MADE OVERNIGHT.

LOOK AT ALL THE FACTS. THE. BUDGET THAT WAS PROPOSED OR OR SENT SUBMITTED BY A A BY CERTAIN GROUPS. IT'S. IT'S FRAUDULENT. IT BASICALLY IS FRAUDULENT.

IT'S NOT $1 BILLION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. BRUCE RICHARDSON. BRUCE RICHARDSON.

IT'S NOT PRESENT. ADAM LAMONT. ADAM LAMONT IT'S NOT PRESENT.

JEREMY HINES.

OKAY. GOOD MORNING. I HAVE A VIDEO THAT'S GOING TO BE PLAYED.

ONE OF THE MOST CRITICAL MOMENTS IN MODERN HISTORY.

AND THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS. I'LL START THE TIME NOW. NOT POLITICAL GAMES, DISTRACTIONS OR MANUFACTURED OUTRAGE.

FOR YEARS, THE FINANCES OF THIS CITY HAVE BEEN CHOKED BY DECISIONS THAT MANY OF THE SAME PEOPLE SPEAKING HERE TODAY HELPED CREATE.

PROPOSITION S, T AND U. POLICIES THAT RESTRICTED FLEXIBILITY, INCREASED PRESSURE ON THE CITY BUDGET AND CREATED LONG TERM FINANCIAL INSTABILITY. AT THE SAME TIME, DALLAS IS TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MORE THAN $3 BILLION IN DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS WHILE ATTEMPTING TO BUILD A NEW POLICE ACADEMY, WHILE CITY LEADERS REDUCED THE TAX RATE YEAR AFTER YEAR BY HALF A CENTURY.

AND NOW, SOMEHOW, PEOPLE WANT TO LAY ALL OF THIS FAILURE AT THE FEET OF THE CURRENT CITY MANAGER.

THE CONTRADICTIONS ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO IGNORE. THE SAME PEOPLE WHO FOUGHT TO STRIP RESOURCES AWAY FROM DALLAS CITY HALL ARE NOW PRETENDING TO BE THE SAVIORS OF CITY HALL.

AND WHAT MAKES THIS EVEN WORSE ARE THE PERSONAL ATTACKS, THE ATTACKS AGAINST KIM TOLBERT, HER FAMILY, HER SON. THIS HAS NOW TURNED INTO SOMETHING BIGGER THAN POLICY.

IT HAS EXPOSED HOW THE UGLINESS OF HOW BLACK LEADERSHIP IS OFTEN TREATED IN THIS CITY WHEN IT REFUSES TO BOW DOWN TO CERTAIN INTERESTS.

FOR DECADES, THE DECISION MAKERS OF THE CITY NEGLECTED DALLAS CITY HALL.

THEY DIDN'T CARE THEN. BUT NOW, IN 2026, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS AN EMERGENCY.

AND NOW SUDDENLY EVERYONE WANTS TO PROTECT THE BUILDING DESIGNED BY I.M.

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THE QUESTION SHOULD BE HOW DO WE SAVE OUR CITY? HOW DO WE PROTECT ESSENTIAL SERVICES? HOW DO WE MAINTAIN ECONOMIC STABILITY? HOW DO WE INVEST IN NEIGHBORHOODS, PUBLIC SAFETY, HOUSING, INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THE FUTURE OF DALLAS? THE NEXT GENERATION ACTION NETWORK STANDS FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY.

THAT'S YOUR TIME, NOT POLITICS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

KIRSTEN ANDERSON. HELLO, I'M KIRSTEN ANDERSON. I'M EXECUTIVE ADMINISTRATOR FOR NEXT GENERATION ACTION NETWORK, AND FOR MY TIME, A VIDEO WILL BE SHOWN.

RIGHT NOW. THE CITY OF DALLAS IS AT A DEFINING MOMENT.

AND WHAT WE ARE WITNESSING IS PURE CONTRADICTION.

THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS FIGHTING TO BLOCK THIS CITY FROM MOVING FORWARD FROM THE CURRENT CITY HALL STRUCTURE.

THEY ARE ORGANIZING TOURS. THEY ARE FUELING EMOTIONAL ARGUMENTS.

THEY ARE FRAMING THIS AS PRESERVATION OVER PROGRESS.

BUT HERE'S WHAT THEY'RE NOT TELLING YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR OUTLOOK.

IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE ANNUAL BUDGET AND HOW WE REVIEW IT.

AND MANY OF THE PROPOSALS MADE TO REDUCE REVENUE TO ALLOW US TO PAY FOR THINGS IN THIS BUILDING.

I APPRECIATE YOUR OUTLOOK. I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY GERMANE SINCE YOU'RE ASKING FOR A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR CITY HALL.

ALMOST $30 MILLION. ARE YOU CONCERNED AT ALL THAT IT WOULD APPEAR SELF-SERVING FOR ALMOST $30 MILLION TO COME TO CITY HALL, WHERE IT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING THAT'S BENEFITING THE RESIDENTS LIKE STREETS OR PARKS? PUBLIC SAFETY WOULD. I DON'T REALLY HAVE A RESPONSE TO THAT QUESTION.

THE VERY SAME PERSON WHO OPPOSED PUTTING $58 MILLION INTO FIXING CITY HALL IS NOW LEADING TOURS ACROSS THE CITY, TELLING RESIDENTS WHY WE SHOULD NEVER MOVE ON FROM IT.

THAT IS NOT LEADERSHIP. THAT IS CONTRADICTION.

WHILE WE ARGUE SUBURBAN CITIES ARE POSITIONING THEMSELVES TO TAKE WHAT DALLAS HESITATES TO CLAIM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, MAJOR PROJECTS, OPPORTUNITY. OUR CITY IS BECOMING A SHOPPING CART FOR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES TO PICK FROM BECAUSE WE ARE TOO DISTRACTED TO MOVE STRATEGICALLY. WE SAY, WE WANT TO ADDRESS YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DOMINIQUE ALEXANDER. HELLO, Y'ALL.

I'M MINISTER DOMINIQUE ALEXANDER, PRESIDENT OF THE NEXT GENERATION ACTION NETWORK.

LIKE MANY OF YOU GUYS KNOW, I'M BORN AND RAISED IN THIS CITY.

AND THE BEST ZIP CODE OF 75216. I HAVE NEVER SAW SO MUCH CONTRADICTION COME FROM THIS BODY.

THAT IS OUTRIGHT EMBARRASSING. I SAW THIS CITY FALL TO STU AND A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND I SEE SOME OF THE ARTICLES AND THINGS ONLINE WHERE PEOPLE SAY, WELL, WE CAN DO THIS.

WE CAN DO THIS AND WE CAN DO THAT. AND I'M LIKE, WHAT? WHAT MONEY? WHAT FINANCIAL MEETING ARE YOU LISTENING TO? THAT LITERALLY SAYS THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS THIS AND, YOU KNOW, I SIT ON THE DALLAS ISD ON BOARD AND OF COURSE A COUNCIL MEMBER. NO, I SERVED HIM AS HE WAS ON THE SCHOOL BOARD.

AND Y'ALL, I SAW HUNDREDS, BILLIONS OF PROJECTS AT A TIME.

AND I DON'T EVER WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE WORK OF YOUNG PEOPLE AND COLLEGE PEOPLE AND ARCHITECTS AND ALL THAT, BUT COME ON NOW, LET'S BE, LET'S BE REAL. NOT WE'RE GOING IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL WITH SOME OUTSIDE PLANS PROPOSING THAT WE MAKE A DECISION THIS WAY. AND THEN I ALSO SAW THE LAST MOVE OF A COUNCIL MEMBER TRYING TO FUND ADA TO COMPLIANCE.

AND THE ANALOGY OF THAT IS ALMOST HAVING A BABY SITTING IN A PILE OF CRAP AND SAYING, I'M GOING TO FEED YOU, BUT I'M GOING TO KEEP YOU IN THAT CRAP. THAT'S EVERY TIME YOU LOOK AT ONE OF THESE STAFF MEMBERS, YOU SAY, I'M GOING TO KEEP YOU IN THAT CRAP, BUT I'M GOING TO FEED YOU.

BUT I'M GOING TO KEEP YOU IN THAT CRAP. THANK YOU.

CHRISTOPHER VICE.

MAYOR. MAYOR. PRO TEM, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY MANAGER AND STAFF.

MY NAME IS CHRISTOPHER WEISS. I LIVE AT 1419 GRIFFIN STREET, SEVEN, FIVE, TWO AND FIVE DISTRICT TWO.

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I BELIEVE EVERYONE HERE TODAY WANTS TO SEE A REVITALIZED DOWNTOWN.

IN FACT, I'D ASK FOR A SHOW OF HANDS. DOES ANYONE HERE NOT WANT TO SEE DOWNTOWN REVITALIZED ANY HANDS FOR NOT REVITALIZING IT? I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING YET. THE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN FRAMED IN A BINARY DIVISIVE ARGUMENT.

EITHER GIVE THE LAND TO THE MAVS OR SAVE CITY HALL.

WE CAN'T DO BOTH. I HOPE THE RECENTLY SUBMITTED PROPOSALS FROM UTA AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS HAVE SHOWN THAT THIS CAN BE DONE AND HAS OPENED EVERYONE'S EYES THAT IT'S NOT THE CASE. THE SOLUTION? TEAR IT DOWN AND GIVE IT TO THE MAVS OWNER, MARY MENDELSOHN, WITHOUT QUESTION AS TO WHY THE TAXPAYERS ARE BEING ASKED TO SUBSIDIZE A BILLIONAIRE IN THE SUPPOSED FREE MARKET ECONOMY.

THE CONVERSATION REMINDS ME OF THE TRINITY TOLLWAY DRAMA.

ANOTHER BILLIONAIRE'S BOONDOGGLE TOOK ROUGHLY TEN YEARS, $240 MILLION OF THE CITY'S TAXES, SOMETHING THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN USED TO THE BUILDING. WE WOULD HAVE HAD WE HAD THE SAME SPOKESPEOPLE CHAMPIONING THE CAUSE TODAY.

YET NO WORK HAS BEEN DONE TO ADDRESS THE ECONOMIC CRATER OF AMERICAN AIRLINES CENTER.

WHEN THE TEAMS MOVE OUT. WHAT HAPPENS TO THE BUSINESSES? WHAT HAPPENS TO THE BUILDING? THE COST OF DEMOLITION, THE COST FOR RENTING A NEW CITY HALL, THE AMOUNT THE TAXPAYERS WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR A NEW STADIUM AND THAT SOMEHOW CITY HALL, NOT THE SURROUNDING ACRES OF VACANT PARKING LOTS, ARE THE REASON WHY THIS QUADRANT OF DOWNTOWN ISN'T ACTIVE, AND ALSO SHOW ME A SERIOUS LIST OF PROJECTS FOR DEVELOPING SOUTHERN DALLAS I HEAR PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THE CEDARS. I DON'T SEE IT BEING DONE.

I HOPE YOU TAKE A PAUSE AND PUT THIS TO A REFERENDUM.

THIS SHOULD BE VOTED ON BY THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS, NOT TO SITE AROUND THE HORSESHOE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. HUSSEIN COUNCIL, LAGUARDIA, LONDON.

HELLO, EVERYBODY. LONDON. I LIVE IN MESQUITE RIGHT NOW, AND I'M HERE ON A DIFFERENT SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

AND IT'S DEALING WITH RACISM, HOW IT HAS WENT INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I'M REALLY CONFUSED THAT IT ALSO HAS WENT TO HUD AND HOUSING BECAUSE NOW THEY THINK I'M HARRIET TUBMAN.

I'M SUPPOSED TO RUN. I DIDN'T KNOW I HAD TO BE HARRIET TUBMAN.

WHY DO I HAVE TO RUN FROM CITY TO CITY? BECAUSE I HAVE A CLEANING LADY THAT LIVE NEXT DOOR.

I DEALT WITH HER FOR TWO YEARS. SO WHAT I'M RUNNING FOR, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT HARRIET TUBMAN.

I'M NOT GOING UNDER THE REAL, REAL BRICK ROADS.

I'M NOT DOING THAT RUNNING FROM CITY TO CITY.

I JUST WANT FAIRNESS AND QUALITY, THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR MY FAMILY TO BE FAIR.

AND IT'S NOT WHEN YOU HAVE A LADY TO PULL OUT GUNS ON A FAMILY AND THEY JUST MOVE THERE AND THEN TWO YEARS LATER, HUD HOUSING, EVERYBODY WANT TO SAY SOMETHING NOW.

AND I DONE BEEN HERE. I DONE BEEN IN DALLAS COUNTY, I DONE BEEN TO MESQUITE, I DONE BEEN TO ROSETTA BAUER'S OFFICE.

I DONE BEEN TO LINDA GARCIA'S OFFICE. AND I'M JUST CONFUSED THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M SUPPOSED TO RUN, BUT MY KIDS AND MY DAUGHTER GOT GUNS PULLED ON THEM AND WE WAS CALLED A SECTION EIGHT NIGGER BITCH.

WHO DOES THAT? THIS IS WHAT THE WHITE LADY SAID.

WATCH THE LANGUAGE. OKAY, WELL, THAT'S WHAT THE WHITE LADY STATED. LET'S WATCH THE LANGUAGE. WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT NO MORE, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE WHITE LADY STATED AND CALLED US. SO WE DON'T WANT TO BE CALLED THAT.

AND THEN WE DON'T WANT GUNS PULLED OUT ON US.

AND THAT IS A HATE CRIME. WHEN SHE DECIDED TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT AND PULL OUT THE GUNS.

MR. MAYOR RIGHT. AIN'T THAT A HATE CRIME? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEAN? BECAUSE MAYBE YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A HATE CRIME IS. I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S CONSIDERED TO BE A HATE CRIME.

YOU HAVE A GOOD DAY. THANK YOU. DOLORES. LEAVE.

SOROCA.

DOLORES. LEVY, SOROCA DISTRICT TWO. IT SHOULD GO WITHOUT SAYING.

DALLAS CITY HALL WAS BUILT AS THE SEAT OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT FOR THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS AND FINANCED BY THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS.

IT IS NOT A BARGAINING CHIP. IT'S NOT A REAL ESTATE OPPORTUNITY FOR BILLIONAIRES.

IT IS A PUBLIC ASSET, A CIVIC LANDMARK, AND PART OF THE IDENTITY AND HERITAGE OF THIS CITY.

AND BECAUSE IT BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE, IT CARRIES WITH IT A RESPONSIBILITY.

THIS RESPONSIBILITY DOES NOT DISAPPEAR BECAUSE MAINTENANCE MAY BE EXPENSIVE.

IT DOES NOT DISAPPEAR BECAUSE POWERFUL INTERESTS SUDDENLY SEE DOLLAR SIGNS ATTACHED TO PUBLIC LAND.

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THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS ARE BEING ASKED TO TAKE ALL THE RISKS WHILE DEVELOPERS AND SPORTS INTERESTS REAP THE REWARDS, DESTROYING OR ABANDONING THIS ICONIC PIECE OF DALLAS HISTORY WILL TRIGGER ENORMOUS PUBLIC EXPENSE, RELOCATION COSTS, INFRASTRUCTURE COST, REDEVELOPMENT SUBSIDIES, TRANSITION COSTS, FINANCING COSTS, LONG TERM LEASE COSTS AND YEARS OF DISRUPTION ALL WHILE TAXPAYERS LOSE OWNERSHIP OF ONE OF THE MOST RECOGNIZABLE CIVIC SITES IN DALLAS. CITY HALL WAS NOT CONSTRUCTED DECADES AGO, SO THIS CITY COUNCIL COULD HAND IT OVER TO PRIVATE INTERESTS.

IT WAS BUILT TO SERVE THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS. I WANT TO SAY THIS VERY CLEARLY.

WE, THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS, ARE PAYING ATTENTION.

WE ARE WATCHING WHO STANDS WITH THE PUBLIC AND WHO STANDS WITH PRIVATE INTERESTS.

AND FOR THOSE TWO WHO CHOOSE TO IGNORE THE WILL OF THEIR CONSTITUENTS, THERE MAY ABSOLUTELY BE A POLITICAL PRICE TO PAY BECAUSE WE CAN REMIND VOTERS, WE CAN REMIND THEM HOW TO VOTE.

THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. MARCEL QUIMBY.

GOOD MORNING, MAYOR JOHNSON AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS MARCEL QUIMBY, AND I LIVE IN DISTRICT 14.

I SPEAK TODAY ON BEHALF OF ROBERT MCPHEE AND THE TEN PRESIDENTS AND A FORMAL COLLABORATION OF 15 DALLAS ARCHITECTS, ALL FORMER AIA PRESIDENTS. THE CURRENT DISCUSSION ABOUT CITY HALL IS BEING FRAMED BY SOME WHO WANT TO KNOW BETTER THAT WE ARE FACED WITH AN URGENT EITHER OR DECISION. THEY CLAIM THAT WE MUST DECIDE TO RELOCATE OUR CITY'S CIVIC GOVERNMENT OUT OF OUR ICONIC, FULLY PAID FOR CITY HALL, OR WE WILL FORGO BILLIONS IN DEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF DOWNTOWN, INCLUDING A PROPOSED MAVS ARENA. THIS IS SIMPLY A FALSE CHOICE, AS THE TEN PRESIDENTS AND COLLABORATION WITH INCREDIBLY TALENTED UT KAPPA DESIGN STUDIO HAVE CONCLUSIVELY SHOWN AND DEMONSTRATED IN A RECENT SUBMITTAL TO THE CITY'S OPEN CONCEPTS AND IDEAS.

OUR SUBMISSION, CALLED CITY SOUTH, CLEARLY ILLUSTRATES THAT UP TO 47 ACRES OF CITY OWNED PROPERTY WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR REDEVELOPMENT BETWEEN CITY HALL AND THE CONVENTION CENTER. ONCE THE ONGOING DEMOLITION IS COMPLETED, THE CITY SOUTH MASTER PLAN FULLY MEETS THE PUBLIC PROGRAM OF THE MAVS, INCLUDING NOT ONLY A 2000 SEAT ARENA BUT ALSO A PERFORMANCE VENUE, HOTEL, MEDICAL FACILITIES, PRACTICE FACILITIES AND MORE. AND ALL OF THIS IS COULD BE LOCATED, SHOULD BE LOCATED IN DALLAS.

AND YOU KNOW, NOT IN DOWNTOWN. THUS WE REITERATE OUR PREVIOUS STATEMENTS THAT TIME MUST BE TAKEN BY THIS CITY COUNCIL TO ENSURE THAT ACCURATE AND ACCURATE AND AMPLE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE ABOUT CITY HALL RENOVATION AND ANY ALTERNATIVE RELOCATIONS, AND THAT CAREFUL, DELIBERATE CONSIDERATION IS GIVEN TO THE VIEWS OF ALL DALLAS SITES.

THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

ZAIDA BASORA. ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY.

MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

MY NAME IS ZAIDA BASORA AND I'M A LICENSED ARCHITECT WHO HAS WORKED IN THIS BUILDING.

AT THIS POINT, I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS CONVERSATION IS REALLY ABOUT THE 329 MILLION NUMBER OR THE $153 MILLION NUMBER.

IT IS ABOUT WHETHER DALLAS IS PREPARED TO REPAIR WHAT IT OWNS, OR LET A HEADLINE ESTIMATE BECOME THE EXCUSE TO WALK AWAY FROM IT.

IF THE CITY CHOOSES ANOTHER BUILDING, THE SAME QUESTION STILL EXISTS.

WHAT WILL IT COST TO ACQUIRE LEASE IT? WHAT WILL IT COST TO ADAPT IT FOR CITY USE, FOR SECURITY, FOR TECHNOLOGY, AND FOR LONG TERM OPERATIONS? AND WILL THE CITY SPEND THE SAME LEVEL OF EFFORT AND TIME DETERMINING WHETHER THAT BUILDING IS TRULY SUITABLE? HERE, THE CITY ALREADY KNOWS WHAT IT HAS. IT HAS OWNED THIS BUILDING FOR NEARLY 50 YEARS.

IT HAS DECADES OF FACILITY DATA, CONDITION ASSESSMENTS AND OPERATIONAL EXPERIENCE, AND IT IS ENTIRELY REASONABLE TO CONCLUDE THAT CITY HALL CAN CONTINUE TO BE USED WHILE IT IS UPDATED AND REPAIRED FOR SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN THE BROAD PLANNING LEVEL FIGURES NOW BEING CITED.

DALLAS HAS ALREADY SHOWN THAT MAJOR PUBLIC FACILITIES CAN BE MODERNIZED IN PHASES WHILE STAYING OPERATIONAL.

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CITY HALL IS DIFFERENT, BUT THE PRINCIPLE IS THE SAME WITH PLANNING, SEQUENCING AND TEMPORARY RELOCATIONS WHERE NEEDED.

PUBLIC FUNCTIONS CAN CONTINUE WHILE MAJOR CAPITAL WORK IS UNDERWAY.

SO MY REQUEST IS SIMPLE DO NOT LET THE $329 MILLION NUMBER, WHICH IS A PLANNING LEVEL NUMBER, DECIDE THE FATE OF CITY HALL AND IF ALTERNATIVES ARE BEING CONSIDERED, COMPARE THEM.

COMPARE THEM HONESTLY, FULL REPAIR HERE VERSUS FULL COST SOMEWHERE ELSE, AND MAKE THE DECISIONS TRANSPARENTLY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ELISE TAYLOR. ELISE TAYLOR IS NOT PRESENT.

I HAD TO SIGN UP UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME BECAUSE MY ALARM DID NOT GO OFF LAST WEEK, SO I SLEPT THROUGH.

AND SO I WANTED TO SIGN UP AND TALK HERE BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS VERY RELEVANT, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO DO IS GO THROUGH AN EVALUATION WITH NUMBERS THAT ARE NOT CORRECT. IT'S APPARENTLY REALLY DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO TYPE IN ADA INTO OUR CITY'S WEBSITE AND UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE A FULL 3000 PAGE ADA TRANSITION PLAN, WITH LINE ITEM ESTIMATES FOR EVERY SINGLE NON-COMPLIANT ITEM IN THIS BUILDING.

YET, THE EDC WENT OUT OF SCOPE OF THEIR ILA AND BROUGHT IN A CONSULTANT THAT HAS NEVER DONE ADA COMPLIANCE WITHIN THIS BUILDING AND PUT OUT A $3 MILLION LINE ITEM NUMBER THAT HAS NO MONETARY, THAT HAS NO FINANCIAL MODEL THAT ALIGNS TO WHERE THAT $33 MILLION COMES FROM.

WE ALSO SIGNED ON KIMLEY-HORN TO EXTEND THEIR ADA CONSULTANT CONTRACT DURING THE EDC WAS DOING THEIR EVALUATION, AND WE DIDN'T BRING THEM IN TO HELP. ALSO, GRESHAM SMITH IS GOING TO BE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT'S GOING TO BE HELPING WITH THE SPACE PLANNING, BUT YET THEY WERE BROUGHT IN TWO YEARS AGO TO HELP WITH SPACE PLANNING, BUT THE EDC DIDN'T BRING THEM IN FOR THEIR EVALUATION.

THEY BROUGHT IN A DIFFERENT. THEY BROUGHT IN CORGAN.

SO WE ALREADY HAVE THAT DATA AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO USE IT.

AND THEN ALL OF THE REPORTS THAT Y'ALL ARE BRINGING IN. THIS ISN'T A THIRD PARTY INDIVIDUAL ASSESSMENT.

THEY ALREADY HAVE THESE REPORTS, AND THEN THEY'RE JUST GOING TO REASSESS THEM WITH INCOMPLETE DATA.

Y'ALL, THIS MAKES NO SENSE. AND IN CASE ANYONE WAS WONDERING, THIS CITY HAS BEEN IN VIOLATION OF TITLE TWO OF THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT FOR OVER 200 DAYS. BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T UPDATED THE BATHROOMS IN THIS BUILDING, WHICH, BY THE WAY, IF THIS WAS APPROVED BACK IN NOVEMBER, THOSE BATHROOMS WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BY NOW.

EVERY SINGLE BATHROOM WOULD BE COMPLIANT IN THIS BUILDING NOW, AND IT WOULD HAVE COST $1.2 MILLION AND THAT'S IT.

BUT Y'ALL HAVEN'T DONE IT BECAUSE YOU'RE CONTINUING TO DEFER MAINTENANCE IN THIS BUILDING TO MAKE IT NON-COMPLIANT, TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE WE DON'T HAVE MONEY. THIS IS SO STUPID.

THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ADAM LAMONT.

ADAM LAMONT. I LIVE NOW AT 1610 WEST CLARENDON IN DISTRICT ONE.

HERE SPEAKING IN LARGE PART ABOUT WHAT I THINK IS, ARE SOME DUBIOUS PROMISES AROUND THE MAVS AND THEIR ABILITY TO, TO REALLY REINVIGORATE DOWNTOWN OR NOT EVEN REINVIGORATE, SINCE I THINK DOWNTOWN IN MANY WAYS HAS A LOT OF VIGOR GOING FOR IT.

I WANT TO SAY REALLY QUICK, I'M A, I'M A BIG NBA FAN.

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WEMBY IN GAME TWO GOING OUT AND STOPPING THE THUNDER.

SO I, I LOVE BASKETBALL. BUT I THINK IT'S TIME FOR US TO ACT AS A WORLD CLASS CITY AND PLAY HARDBALL WITH THE MAVS, NOT ROLL OVER AND GIVE AWAY OUR CIVIC SEAT OF POWER.

FIRST OF ALL, IT'S IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER IN THE PAST 30 YEARS, NOT A SINGLE NBA TEAM HAS LEFT, THE DOWNTOWN CORE TO GO TO THE SUBURBS OR EVEN FURTHER OUT IN THEIR DOWNTOWN AREA.

INSTEAD, TEAMS LIKE THE PISTONS AND THE WARRIORS HAVE SOUGHT TO RETURN DOWNTOWN.

THEY KNOW THAT DOWNTOWN IS WHERE THE NBA IS MEANT TO BE.

WE SHOULD NOT BE JUST GOING IN AND GIVING AWAY PLACES LIKE CITY HALL TO THE MAVS.

WE CAN WORK WITH THEM AND MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN.

BUT I THINK THAT THE COST OF SOMETHING LIKE GIVING AWAY CITY HALL IS SIMPLY TOO HIGH.

I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT AS MUCH AS I LOVE SPORTS, THE ECONOMIC IMPACTS OF SPORTS ARE VERY DUBIOUS.

ARENAS WORK BEST WHEN THEY HAVE MULTIPLE USES, MULTIPLE TEAMS AT THEM.

A DOWNTOWN ARENA FOR THE MAVS WOULD HAVE ONE TEAM, POTENTIALLY TWO WITH THE WINGS IF WE CAN WORK THAT OUT.

BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, 50 OR SO GAMES RIGHT NOW, THE A C WORKS BECAUSE THERE'S OVER 200 EVENTS THERE.

AND INSTEAD WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE ABOUT HALF OF THAT.

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I HAVE LOTS OF I'VE WRITTEN A BUNCH OF WORDS ABOUT THIS.

I'D LOVE TO MEET AND TALK WITH YOU MORE. THAT'S ALL THE TIME I HAVE TODAY.

I DON'T WANT TO MAKE MAYOR JOHNSON MAD. SO THANK YOU.

HAVE A GREAT DAY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THIS CONCLUDES YOUR OPEN MICROPHONE SPEAKERS FOR THIS MEETING.

ALL RIGHT. LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR VOTING AGENDA.

[VOTING AGENDA]

ALL RIGHT. A MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? EYES HAVE IT.

NEXT ITEM. AGENDA ITEM TWO IS CONSIDERATION OF APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

MR. MAYOR, BEFORE I PRESENT YOUR NOMINEES OR THE NOMINEES TO COUNCIL.

COUNCIL MEMBER BLAIR HAS A MOTION COUNCILWOMAN BLAIR THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I MOVE TO WAIVE THE MINIMUM AGE REQUIREMENT AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 140 C OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? MISS BLAIR, I THINK YOU PROBABLY OUGHT TO HAVE SOME.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. JUST TO BE REAL QUICK, MR. DIAZ HAS HAS BEEN A SENIORS ADVOCATE THROUGH HIS JOB AT SENIOR SOURCE FOR FOR YEARS.

HE SHARED HIS LOVE FOR ADVOCACY FOR SENIORS. AND HIS LOVE TRANSCENDS TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THE JOB AS THE SENIOR AFFAIRS COMMISSION FOR DISTRICT EIGHT.

I'VE SEEN THE ENERGY THIS YOUNG MAN HAS AS HE WISHES TO ENERGIZE THE LIVES OF SENIORS, NOT ONLY IN DISTRICT EIGHT, BUT IN THE CITY. MR. DIAZ IS NEEDED NOT ONLY FOR D EIGHT, BUT FOR THE COMMITTEE AND THE CITY OF DALLAS.

I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS WILL WILL ALLOW HIM TO DO SO BY VOTING TO WAIVE THE MINIMUM AGE REQUIREMENTS FOR HIS APPOINTMENT TO SENIOR AFFAIRS COMMISSION. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION? CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU.

I DEFINITELY SUPPORT THIS. AND I'LL TELL YOU THAT AS I'VE APPOINTED PEOPLE TO THIS COMMISSION SOMETIMES THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY LOOKING FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE TECHNOLOGY SKILLS THAT CAN HELP THEM THAT HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE BEING OLDER INCLUDES A VERY WIDE AGE BRACKET. I'M NOT EVEN SURE THAT SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT RECEIVING MAIL FROM OUR AARP WOULDN'T STILL BE APPROPRIATE AS A CAREGIVER TO SENIORS. SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD ACTUALLY ASK THAT OUR ADMINISTRATIVE AD HOC LOOK AT THE SPECIAL QUALIFICATIONS WE HAVE ON ALL OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

THEY MAY REALLY BE UNNECESSARY. AND I'LL SAY ON THE HOMELESS COMMISSION, THERE'S SEATS ALSO THAT HAVE SPECIAL DESIGNATIONS THAT ARE PROBABLY UNNECESSARY. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WE'LL NOW MOVE TO YOUR NOMINEES.

THIS MORNING YOU HAVE INDIVIDUAL AND FULL COUNCIL NOMINEES.

YOUR NOMINEES FOR INDIVIDUAL APPOINTMENT TO THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD.

ADJUNCT MEMBERS ROGER A HALL IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER ROTH.

MR. HALL MEETS THE FIVE PLUS YEARS EXPERIENCE AS A VOLUNTEER OR EMPLOYEE WITH BUSINESS SPECIAL QUALIFICATION TO TO THE COMMISSION ON DISABILITIES. LAURA L GUNN IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART.

MISS GUNN MEETS THE. COMMITTED TO THE COMMUNITY OF DISABLED PERSONS.

SPECIAL QUALIFICATION TO THE JUDICIAL NOMINATING COMMISSION.

JOY HETRICK IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART TO THE SENIOR AFFAIRS COMMISSION.

BRYANT DIAZ IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER BLAIR, AND GERARD POLITE IS BEING NOMINATED BY MAYOR PRO TEM MORENO.

MR. POLITE MEETS THE 55 PLUS YEARS OF AGE SPECIAL QUALIFICATION.

YOUR NOMINEES FOR FULL COUNCIL APPOINTMENT TO THE REINVESTMENT ZONE.

14 BOARD SKILLMAN CORRIDOR. WILLIAM BOYD IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART AND TO THE REINVESTMENT ZONE 20 BOARD MALL AREA REDEVELOPMENT.

SUZANNE AND SMITH IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER BLAIR.

THESE ARE YOUR NOMINEES, MR. MAYOR. IS THERE A MOTION? CHAIRMAN STEWART MOTION TO APPROVE. I'D ALSO LIKE TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT MY NOMINEES AT SOME POINT, BUT PERHAPS THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE AFTER THE VOTE.

IT WOULD BE. OH, NO, NOT NECESSARILY AFTER THE VOTE, BUT YOU CAN DO IT DURING THE DISCUSSION.

BUT DURING THE DISCUSSION, WE NEED A MOTION FIRST, WHICH YOU'RE MAKING IN A SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. YOU CAN MAKE THOSE COMMENTS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I JUST HAVE AT LEAST I THINK I HAVE THREE NOMINEES TODAY.

I JUST WANTED TO THANK THEM. JOY HETRICK, WHO IS A YOUNG ATTORNEY AT TROUTMAN, PEPPER LOCKE.

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LAURA LEE GUNN, WHO MIGHT BE HERE IN THE IN THE CHAMBER.

MAYBE NOT. I MEAN, MAYBE WE SHE HAD TO GO. LAURA LEE IS A PLANNER FOCUSING ON DISABILITY.

SHE WILL JOIN THE DISABILITIES COMMISSION. SHE HAS AN INTERESTING BACKGROUND IN THAT SHE IS THE GRANDDAUGHTER OF THE FAMOUS ALABAMA COACH, GENE STALLINGS. AND IT IS HER GRANDFATHER'S WORK AND HER UNCLE'S DISABILITIES THAT HAVE INSPIRED HER TO WORK WITH THOSE WITH DISABILITIES.

SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION. AND THEN BILL BOYD, OF COURSE, IS CONTINUING HIS WORK ON THE SKILLMAN CORRIDOR TIF.

I APPRECIATE HIS LEADERSHIP ON THAT BOARD. HE IS ALSO PRESIDENT OF THE LAKE HIGHLANDS EXCHANGE CLUB AND THE BEST SCOUT DAD EVER.

SO THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON, FOR OR AGAINST? THE NOMINEES. SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. ALL THE NOMINEES ARE APPROVED.

CONGRATULATIONS TO THEM ALL. MADAM SECRETARY.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MR. MAYOR, YOUR BRIEFING CONTINUES.

[BRIEFINGS]

IN THAT RESOLUTION, WE WERE REQUESTED TO BRING BACK PHASED REPAIR OPTIONS FOR CITY HALL, COVERING A TEN YEAR PERIOD.

TO SUPPORT THAT EFFORT, I ENGAGED, EXPERIENCED AND WELL RESPECTED FIRMS TO SUPPORT THIS WORK.

YOU SEE THEM COMING TO TO THE FRONT NOW. GRESHAM SMITH BRINGS EXTENSIVE MUNICIPAL RENOVATION EXPERIENCE, INCLUDING MORE THAN TWO POINT 5,000,000FT² OF CITY HALL RENOVATION WORK ACROSS SIX CITY HALL PROJECTS.

WMT COMPANY, LED BY WILL MUNGER, BRINGS DEEP EXPERIENCE IN RENOVATION, STRATEGIC REVIEW, CONSTRUCTION, OVERSIGHT AND ADMINISTRATION, AND IS ALSO PROVIDING SUPPORT AS A PEER IN A PEER REVIEW STYLE ASSESSMENT OF THIS WORK.

TODAY'S BRIEFING WILL FOCUS ON THE METHODOLOGY AND THE FRAMEWORK BEING USED TO DEVELOP THE FACE REPAIR OPTIONS, INCLUDING ASSUMPTIONS, PRIORITIZATION CRITERIA AND PROJECT CONSTRAINTS.

NO REPAIR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE. COST ESTIMATES WILL BE PRESENTED TODAY.

THOSE WILL BE PROVIDED DURING A PHASE TWO BRIEFING IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

BOTH TEAMS HAVE BOTH SPENT NUMEROUS HOURS PREPARING FOR TODAY'S BRIEFING, AND I WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PERSONALLY THANK THEM FOR THEIR WORK AND FOR THE TEAMS THAT THEY'VE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE TO SUPPORT US IN A PARTNERSHIP, AND THE EFFORTS THAT WE KNOW ARE CURRENTLY UNDERWAY.

AS THE CITY'S RECENTLY APPOINTED CHIEF OF REAL ESTATE, JOHN JOHNSON, IS SERVING AS OUR EXECUTIVE LEAD FOR TODAY'S BRIEFING.

JOHN HAS BEEN ASSIGNED SEVERAL HIGH PROFILE INITIATIVES TO STRENGTHEN OUR ASSET STEWARDSHIP AND MODERNIZE THE CITY'S REAL ESTATE PRACTICES, INCLUDING OUR CITYWIDE REAL ESTATE MASTER PLAN.

CONTINUING TO LOOK AT BEST POLICIES AND PRACTICES ON HOW WE UPDATE OUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AROUND ALL OF OUR ASSETS.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO JOHN TO BEGIN THE PRESENTATION IN HIS NEW ROLE.

JOHN. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY MANAGER.

I'M JOHN JOHNSON, AND I'LL BE KICKING OFF TODAY'S PRESENTATION.

SO WE'RE GOING TO JUMP RIGHT IN TODAY ON SLIDE THREE.

I'D LIKE TO QUICKLY FRAME THE PURPOSE OF TODAY'S BRIEFING.

AND WHERE WE ARE TODAY IS ABOUT PROCESS AND METHODOLOGY.

CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO DEVELOP PHASE REPAIR OPTIONS FOR CITY HALL AND CITY HALL PLAZA.

AND THIS FIRST PHASE IS FOCUSED ON HOW THAT WORK IS BEING APPROACHED.

YOU'LL HEAR HOW THE CONSULTANT TEAMS ARE EVALUATING THE BUILDING.

WHAT ASSUMPTIONS AND CONSTRAINTS WILL SHAPE THEIR ANALYSIS AND THE FRAMEWORK BEING USED TO PRIORITIZE NEEDS AND DEVELOP OPTIONS.

ON MARCH 4TH, 2026, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A RESOLUTION DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO DEVELOP A REPAIR PROGRAM FOR CITY HALL THAT PRIORITIZES THE MOST CRITICAL NEEDS AND PROVIDES NO FEWER THAN TWO OPTIONS OVER A TEN YEAR PERIOD.

THIS RESOLUTION IS WHAT SHAPED THE WORK UNDERWAY TODAY.

SINCE THEN, AND AT THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY MANAGER, THE WORK WAS TO BE COMPLETED BY OUTSIDE EXPERTS TO CONSULTANTS HAVE BEEN ENGAGED GRESHAM SMITH AND W M2 COMPANY. THE TEAMS HAVE REVIEWED THE AVAILABLE REPORTS, ASSESSMENT AND HISTORIC DOCUMENTATION FOR CITY HALL.

THEY'VE CONDUCTED SITE VISITS AND INTERVIEWED FACILITY STAFF TO UNDERSTAND CURRENT CONDITIONS AND FROM THERE, THE FOCUS HAS BEEN ON DEVELOPING THE METHODOLOGY AND PRIORITIZATION FRAMEWORK THAT WILL GUIDE THEIR OPTIONS.

THE WORK HAS BEEN STRUCTURED IN TWO PHASES. PHASE ONE, WHICH IS WHAT TODAY'S BRIEFING FOCUSES ON, IS ABOUT ESTABLISHING THE METHODOLOGY, THE ASSUMPTIONS, PRIORITIZATION CRITERIA AND THE OVERALL FRAMEWORK OF THE REPAIR OPTIONS.

[02:10:05]

THE SECOND PHASE WILL INCLUDE THEIR ACTUAL REPAIR PLANS, PRELIMINARY COST ESTIMATES, IMPLEMENTATION CONSIDERATIONS, AND COMPARISON OF OPTIONS FOR CITY COUNCIL. THE CONSULTANTS ARE USING THE PREVIOUSLY COMPLETED FACILITIES, CONDITION ASSESSMENTS AND THE RELATED DOCUMENTS AS THEIR BASELINE.

AT THE SAME TIME, THEY ARE NOT SIMPLY REPACKAGING THE PRIOR REPORTS.

THEY'VE BEEN ASKED TO INDEPENDENTLY ASSESS AVAILABLE INFORMATION, SUPPLEMENT IT WITH THEIR OBSERVATIONS, AND APPLY THEIR OWN PROFESSIONAL ANALYSIS AS THE TEAM EVALUATES OPTIONS, THE WORK IS BEING GUIDED BY SEVERAL CRITERIA.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, LIFE SAFETY. OTHER CONSIDERATIONS INCLUDE SYSTEMS RELIABILITY, OPERATIONAL CONTINUITY, ACCESSIBILITY AND CODE REQUIREMENTS, AND THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE NEEDS OF THE FACILITY, AS WELL AS COST AND THE IMPACT TO OPERATION.

SO FROM HERE, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE CONSULTANT TEAMS. GRESHAM SMITH WILL WALK THROUGH THEIR PRESENTATION METHODOLOGY AND FRAMEWORK.

W M2 COMPANY WILL PROVIDE DETAILS ON ITS PEER REVIEW STYLE ANALYSIS, ITS METHODOLOGY AND OVERALL APPROACH.

AND AFTER BOTH PRESENTATIONS, THEY'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

AND SO WITH THAT JEN MURPHY WITH GRESHAM SMITH WILL KICK OFF THEIR PRESENTATION.

GOOD MORNING, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CITY LEADERSHIP.

I'M JEN MURPHY, SENIOR ASSOCIATE AND CIVIC PRACTICE LEADER WITH GRESHAM SMITH FOR THE AGENDA.

INTRODUCTION SUMMARY BY JOHN JOHNSON. WE ARE HERE TO BRIEF YOU WITH INTRODUCTIONS TO OUR TEAM MEMBERS.

OUR APPROACH AND CURRENT DIRECTION IN DELIVERING AN OPTIONAL SET OF PHASED REPAIR PLANS FOR THE DALLAS CITY HALL.

A QUICK AGENDA REVIEW OF WHAT WE PLAN TO PRESENT TODAY.

INTRODUCTIONS TO THE TEAM. GOALS AND OBJECTIVES.

METHODOLOGY USED TO SUPPORT PRIORITIZATION. PRELIMINARY APPROACH TO PRIORITIZE PRIORITIZING THE REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT REPLACEMENT NEEDS.

OUR STARTING POINT. EXISTING CONDITIONS. INITIAL PLANNING CONSIDERATIONS AND OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.

AT THE END OF THE TWO TEAMS PRESENTATIONS, THERE WILL BE A QUESTION AND ANSWER ANSWER SESSION.

AN INTRODUCTION TO OUR TEAM HERE TODAY AND REPRESENTING MANY OTHERS IN OUR ORGANIZATIONS WORKING ON THIS.

AGAIN, I AM JEN MURPHY AND SERVE AS GRESHAM SMITH PROJECT EXECUTIVE FOR THE PROPOSED DALLAS CITY HALL REPAIR PROGRAM.

JACK WEBER IN THE CROWD IS OUR GRESHAM SMITH PRINCIPAL AND WORKPLACE PRACTICE LEADER LIZZIE GORAK SERVES AS THE PROJECT MANAGER AND WORKS HARD TO KEEP THE FULL TEAM ON TASK. AND CHRIS KUEHN IS OUR GRESHAM SMITH ARCHITECTURAL STUDIO DESIGN LEAD ON THE TEAM.

TANYA AND FARLEY TO THE LEFT OF ME, THE SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT OF CLIENT SOLUTIONS WITH THE ATHENIAN GROUP IS HERE AND VERY INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT.

HE WILL ALSO PRESENT TODAY AND TO FULLY ROUND OUT OUR TEAM FOR THE PROJECT, WE HAVE SEVERAL ENGINEERS WITH IMG WORKING ON THE TEAM, INCLUDING MECHANICAL, PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL FIRE PROTECTION AND STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING PROFESSIONALS.

SPECIFICALLY HERE TODAY IS DUSTIN YATES, AN ASSOCIATE PRINCIPAL AND PROJECT EXECUTIVE WITH IMG, AND JOHN ROJAS, A SENIOR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER.

OUR TEAM IS FULLY INDEPENDENT OF THE TEAMS THAT DEVELOPED THE RECENT FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENTS COMBINED.

OUR GROUP HAS UNIQUE QUALIFIED EXPERIENCE WITH SIX CITY HALL PROJECTS COMPRISED OF OVER TWO POINT 5,000,000FT² OF RENOVATIONS AND A TOTAL OF 180 PLUS PROJECTS, WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF EXPERTISE AND FACILITIES.

WHILE WORKING CLOSELY WITH AND COLLABORATIVELY TO PREPARE THE PHASED RENOVATION EXECUTION PLANS.

EACH OF US HAS A FOCUS AREA. THE ATHENIAN GROUP IS THE PROGRAM MANAGER, AND WITHIN OUR TEAM SERVES AS THE CLIENT ADVOCATE IN REGARDS TO OVERALL PROGRAM SCHEDULE, BUDGET AND COMMUNICATION STRATEGY, AND BRINGS EXTENSIVE CITY HALL PROJECT EXPERIENCE.

GRESHAM SMITH IS THE ARCHITECTURE AND INTERIOR DESIGN LEAD FOR THE PHASE STRATEGY AND OCCUPIED BUILDING.

CONSTRUCTABILITY AND IMAGE FOCUSES ON MECHANICAL, PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL, FIRE PROTECTION AND STRUCTURAL REVIEW OF THE PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED FACILITY, CONDITION ASSESSMENTS, INFORMATION RISK, EVALUATION OF EMBEDDED DISTRIBUTION, AND THE 1970S ASSEMBLIES.

COLLECTIVELY, THIS TEAM PROVIDES ARCHITECTURE, ENGINEERING AND CONSULTING SERVICES FOR MUNICIPALITIES NATIONWIDE TO SUPPORT THE CREATION OF HEALTHY, THRIVING COMMUNITIES. THIS IS AT THE HEART OF GRESHAM SMITH'S MISSION AND OUR TEAM PARTNERS.

NEXT, TANYA AND FARLEY WITH ATHENIAN GROUP IS NOW GOING TO REVIEW GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND SEVERAL OTHER THINGS.

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YOU KNOW, A LOT OF GREAT SPEAKERS TODAY WITH A LOT OF INFORMATION AND PASSION FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE GOAL OF OUR PROGRAM IS REALLY TO LINE OUT THE INFORMATION AND OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO YOU FOR COUNCIL AND CITY LEADERSHIP TO MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE. LOOKING FORWARD.

AND THE BEST WAY FOR US TO START IS TO BASELINE WHAT THIS ENGAGEMENT IS AND WHAT IT'S NOT.

RIGHT. WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT A NUMBER OF COMPONENTS TODAY, BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT OUR FOCUS ON THIS PROGRAM.

SO OUR SCOPE IS FOCUSED ON DEVELOPING A PRIORITIZED LIST OF SYSTEM REPAIRS THROUGHOUT THE COMPLEX.

LOOKING AT HOW WE COULD DO NO MORE OR NO FEWER THAN TWO PHASE STRATEGIES OVER A ROUGHLY TEN YEAR PERIOD.

SO TAKING THE INFORMATION FROM THE PREVIOUS FCA REPORTS, MEETING WITH CITY STAFF AND WORKING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO STRATEGICALLY ALIGN THOSE OVER A MULTIPLE PERIOD PROGRAM. APPLY A REAL WORLD ESCALATION MODEL ACROSS THE POTENTIALLY TEN YEAR PROGRAM.

AS YOU KNOW, THE A AECOM REPORT HAD ESCALATION CARRYING INTO $2,028.

AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT FORWARD FACING PROGRESS AFTER THAT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER THE COSTS AND ELEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

WE WILL BE IDENTIFYING OPERATIONAL IMPACTS AND MITIGATIONS FOR OCCUPIED BUILDING WORK AND HOW WE CAN SUPPORT CRITICAL CITY SERVICES AND THE WONDERFUL EMPLOYEES THAT WORK HERE.

AND WE'LL BE SURFACING RISKS, EXCLUSIONS AND ASSUMPTIONS TO YOU AS COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CITY LEADERS HAVE THE INFORMATION NEEDED TO MAKE THIS CRITICAL DECISION.

SO WHAT'S NOT IN SCOPE? RIGHT? WE ARE NOT ASKED TO GO THROUGH AND REVALIDATE RE-ESTIMATE OR COMPLETE A NEW FCA OF THE A REPORT.

RIGHT. WE KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF WORK PUT INTO THAT AND MUCH TIME SPENT BY COUNCIL MEMBERS AS A PART OF THAT PROGRAM.

THIS EFFORT IS NOT A NEW FCA PROJECT, AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE HERE TO REALLY SUPPLEMENT AND REVIEW THE COMPONENTS, AS WELL AS WORK WITH CITY STAFF TO MAKE ULTIMATELY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU AS THE TEAM.

ADDITIONALLY, OUR SCOPE DOES NOT INCLUDE ESTIMATES FOR SWING SPACES WHERE THOSE SWING SPACES WILL BE AND ONLY NOTING THAT SOME LEVEL OF UNOCCUPIED SPACE SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO COMPLETE THIS WORK. AS WE GO THROUGH A PHASED PROGRAM.

OUR SCOPE ALSO DOES NOT INCLUDE ESTIMATES FOR FURNITURE, FIXTURES, EQUIPMENT, TECHNOLOGY.

IT'S REALLY TO FOCUS ON THE ELEMENTS OF THE A AECOM REPORT, WHICH ARE AROUND REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT OF CRITICAL SYSTEMS WITHIN THIS FACILITY.

AND LAST, THIS EFFORT SHOULD INFORM THE CITY'S CAPITAL PLANNING PROCESS AND FUTURE BUDGETS, BUT DOES NOT REPLACE ANY OF THOSE ELEMENTS. AND WE LOOK TO YOU AS AS CITY LEADERS AND STAFF TO REALLY INCORPORATE THESE ELEMENTS GOING FORWARD.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THE THE METHODOLOGY THAT WE USE TO THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE TO DRIVE THIS PROGRAM, AS WILL AND HIS TEAM ARE ALSO PUTTING FORWARD OPTIONS AND MAY USE SIMILAR OR DIFFERENT METHODOLOGY.

AND SO IN LEADING SEVERAL CITY HALL EFFORTS AROUND THE COUNTRY, OUR TEAM KNOWS THAT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO DRIVE A CONCISE SET OF GOALS FOR THIS PROGRAM TO FOLLOW. AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THERE ARE LOTS OF DECISIONS ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS EVERY SINGLE DAY, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO ANCHOR ON YOUR TRUE NORTH AS YOU GO THROUGH THIS PROGRAM.

OUR APPROACH TO DECISION MAKING FOLLOWS WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE SCREEN HERE, WHICH STARTS FIRST AND FOREMOST WITH MAXIMIZING THE USE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DECISIONS THAT ARE FACING THE CITY, BOTH FINANCIAL HEADWINDS, SOCIAL HEADWINDS, AND SOME OF THE ELEMENTS BROUGHT FORTH TODAY.

AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE THINK ABOUT THAT IN EVERYTHING WE DO ON THIS PROGRAM.

WE ALSO NEED TO CONSIDER MINIMIZATION OF OPERATIONAL DISRUPTION.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS CITY HALL. THIS IS WHERE YOUR CITY STAFF PERFORM THEIR DUTIES, THAT SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY, THAT SUPPORT THE SERVICES THAT ARE NEEDED IN THIS COMMUNITY, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THOSE THROUGHOUT THIS PROGRAM.

WE WANT TO MAXIMIZE CONSTRUCTION EFFICIENCY AND MOBILIZATION.

OBVIOUSLY, GOING THROUGH A MULTI YEAR PROGRAM IN A PHASED OCCUPIED SPACE, THERE ARE CHALLENGES AND WE WILL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROGRAM.

WE WANT TO LOOK AT OPTIONS THAT MAXIMIZE THAT CONSTRUCTION MOBILIZATION AND MINIMIZE SOME OF THOSE COSTS.

WE ALSO WANT TO KEEP AN EYE ON THE FUTURE AND A HOLISTIC VIEW OF THE CITY, RIGHT? WE KNOW THAT ULTIMATELY, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS FORTHCOMING FOR THE CITY.

WE KNOW THERE ARE LARGER REPLACEMENT EFFORTS WITHIN THIS PROGRAM.

WE KNOW THERE ARE POTENTIAL OTHER CONSIDERATIONS WHEN IT COMES TO RECONFIGURATION LATER, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE KEEPING OUR EYE ON THAT, AS WELL AS SUPPORTING AND THINKING ABOUT ALL THE EMPLOYEES IN THIS FACILITY THAT ARE PROVIDING SERVICES TO THE CITY.

AND FINALLY, WE WANT TO CONSIDER THE BUILDING'S HISTORIC HIGHLIGHTS.

YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THERE'S A MORATORIUM IN PLACE FOR COMPONENTS OF THIS BUILDING WHEN IT COMES TO HISTORIC ELEMENTS, AND WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT AS WE GO FORWARD IN OUR PROGRAM.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO TAKING THOSE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, IT'S IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE PUT THAT INTO A PROCESS, RIGHT? AND SO AS YOU HEARD AS PROGRAM MANAGERS AND OTHERWISE, WE'RE BIG BELIEVERS IN FOLLOWING PROCESS AND WORKING ITERATIVELY WITH CITY STAFF, ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THE COMMUNITY TO DRIVE PROGRAMS FORWARD.

OUR PROCESS FOLLOWS A FIVE STEP COMPONENT, STARTING WITH REVIEW, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR MOSTLY ABOUT TODAY, WHICH IS OUR INDEPENDENT READ OF THE FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT, ALL SPECIALTY STUDIES.

AND WE'RE NOT REEXAMINING A LOT OF THOSE COMPONENTS, RIGHT? WE'RE TAKING THOSE ELEMENTS AND THINKING ABOUT HOW TO LOGICALLY SEQUENCE THEM IN THE TEN YEAR PROGRAM AND THINK ABOUT ANY ELEMENTS THAT MAY COME INTO PLAY WHEN YOU TRIGGER THOSE COMPONENTS.

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SO SAFETY CODE, STRUCTURAL, OPERATIONAL AND REGULATORY FACTORS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE TRIGGERED AS A PART OF THIS PROGRAM.

THREE IS TO SUSTAIN OPERATIONS. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAP REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT WORK AGAINST CRITICAL MUNICIPAL SERVICES 24 OVER SEVEN ELEMENTS COUNCIL MEETINGS AND IDENTIFY ELEMENTS OF THE COMPONENT OF THE BUILDING WHERE THEY MAY NEED TO REMAIN OPERATIONAL THROUGHOUT THIS PROGRAM.

NUMBER FOUR IS PHASE. WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT TWO DISTINCT TEN YEAR PHASE STRATEGIES WITH DIFFERENT SEQUENCING LOGIC.

WE WANT TO, AS I SAID EARLIER, PRESENT YOU WITH OPTIONS THAT ARE INFORMED AND TRANSPARENT SO YOU CAN MAKE THE NECESSARY DECISIONS TO DRIVE FORWARD.

AND FINALLY, COST AND CAVEAT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT ONLY GIVING YOU THE PROGRAMS TO UNDERSTAND LOGICAL SEQUENCES, BEST PRACTICE INFORMED CONSTRUCTION PRACTICES, AND RELATED, BUT WE DO WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHAT THIS MEANS FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT ESCALATION OVER A TEN YEAR PERIOD, AS WELL AS THE CONSEQUENCES OR TRADE OFFS THAT MAY HAPPEN AS A PART OF THAT.

SO THAT WILL BE A PART OF OUR PHASE TWO PRESENTATION AS WE MAP OUT SOME OF THOSE COMPONENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU, AS ELECTED OFFICIALS, HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION.

NEXT SLIDE. ALL RIGHT. SO BUILDING ON OUR STARTING POINT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE OUT THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US, THAT WE'RE BUILDING OUR REPORTS AND OUR PHASE PRIORITIZATION STRATEGY OFF OF.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, YOU'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THIS NUMBER TODAY, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT FROM THE REPORT, IT CALLS OUT SEVERAL REPAIR SYSTEMS THAT ARE PART OF THE $329 MILLION NUMBER.

SO ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, PARKING GARAGE AND PLAZA CENTRAL PLAN AND AIR HANDLING, AND THE ELEMENTS YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN.

I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO CALL OUT THAT THIS BASELINE DOES NOT INCLUDE CERTAIN ELEMENTS, RIGHT? SO IT DOES NOT INCLUDE TECHNOLOGY UPGRADES.

IT DOES NOT INCLUDE FURNITURE REPLACEMENT. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ADA OR ACCESSIBILITY IMPROVEMENTS.

YOU'VE HEARD FROM MANY FOLKS TODAY IT DOES NOT INCLUDE NEW INTERIOR FINISHES OR RECONFIGURATIONS.

SO THINK ABOUT ONLY PATCH BACK OF AREAS THAT ARE UPDATED AS A PART OF MECHANICAL OR RELATED SYSTEMS. AND IT DOES NOT INCLUDE CODE COMPLIANCE AND LIFE SAFETY SYSTEMS THAT WILL BE TRIGGERED BY SOME OF THE EFFORTS THAT ARE LISTED OUT IN THE A COM REPORT.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROGRAM AND OUR APPROACH WILL HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THESE ITEMS AND WHAT THAT MAY MEAN FROM A TIME, COST OR EFFORT PERSPECTIVE. AND THAT MAY BE INFORMATION THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE AS A PART OF YOUR DECISION MAKING PROGRAM.

SO WHAT DOES THIS INFORMATION INCLUDE THAT WE HAVE.

SO WE HAVE THIS BASELINE NUMBER. IF YOU WANT TO ADVANCE THE NEXT SLIDE FOR ME HERE. THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE BEEN PROVIDED AS A PART OF THIS HAVE COME FROM A NUMBER OF STUDIES, A NUMBER OF ELEMENTS THAT THE CITY HAS EITHER COMMISSIONED OR RECEIVED OR DONE ON THEIR OWN, WHICH INCLUDES THE 2026 FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT THAT A COMMON TEAM COMPLETED, THAT YOU WERE BRIEFED ON, THE ESTIMATION METHODOLOGY THAT A COM PROVIDED ON HOW THEY GOT TO THEIR COSTS.

STRUCTURAL AND ADA EVALUATIONS FROM REPUTABLE FIRMS. ENVELOPE AND WATER FILTRATION. WATER INFILTRATION ANALYSIS.

HAZARDOUS MATERIALS TESTING. MEP SYSTEMS EVALUATIONS.

THE WORKSPACE. OCCUPANCY EVALUATION AND THEN SITE VISIT AND STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS FROM OUR TIME HERE ON SITE.

BUT THAT IS WHAT WE'RE USING AS OUR BASIS OF INFORMATION AS WE GO FORWARD.

NEXT SLIDE. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT ARE OUR TAKEAWAYS SO FAR.

I'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. I WANT TO START TO DAYLIGHT. SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE SEEING IN OUR INITIAL REVIEW AND MODELING.

SO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE CRITICAL FROM OUR TAKEAWAYS. NUMBER ONE, IT'S ULTIMATELY CLEAR THAT THE CITY IS LOOKING TO BREAK THE CYCLE OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE WITH SOME OF THESE COMPONENTS. A NUMBER OF THE REPORTS PRODUCED SHOW YEAR AFTER YEAR ELEMENTS THAT WERE NOT ABLE TO BE FUNDED OR OTHERWISE.

AND SO THERE'S ELEMENTS IN HERE AROUND REPLACEMENT AND MAJOR REPAIRS TO SUPPORT THOSE COMPONENTS.

SO CRITICAL THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM THESE REPORTS.

NUMBER ONE IS SERVICE LIFE LENS. SO WHERE ARE THE CRITICAL SYSTEMS AGAINST THEIR USEFUL LIFE CURVE.

WHAT'S ALREADY PAST IT? WHAT CAN BE DONE TO LIMP THESE SYSTEMS ALONG? WHERE DO SYSTEMS NEED TO BE FULLY REPLACED? AND INCLUDING CONSIDERATIONS THAT YOU SHOULD KNOW AS COUNCIL MEMBERS AROUND WARRANTY PERIODS AROUND REPLACEMENT.

WHAT THAT MEANS VERSUS REPAIR AND ELEMENTS LIKE THAT.

NUMBER TWO IS EMBEDDEDNESS. THINKING ABOUT THAT WHILE THIS BUILDING, THIS BUILDING IS BEAUTIFUL AND HAS MANY INCREDIBLE ELEMENTS, THERE ARE ALSO DISTRIBUTION ELEMENTS THAT ARE BURIED WITHIN THE CONCRETE SLABS WITHIN THIS FACILITY THAT MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT TO REPAIR, REPLACE, AND RECONFIGURE MUCH OF THIS. THERE'S ALSO CONCEALED CONDITIONS.

SO AS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP MUCH TODAY, AND IN THE PREVIOUS REPORTS, THERE ARE ASBESTOS OR ACM CONTAINING ELEMENTS IN SEVERAL OF THE ELEMENTS IN THE REPORT, INCLUDING SLAB DUCTWORK, PCB TRANSFORMERS AND THE ABANDONED 2003 GAS LINE.

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NUMBER FOUR IS THE OPERATIONAL LENS, WHICH SYSTEMS CAN BE TOUCHED WITHOUT DISRUPTING CRITICAL CITY SERVICES OR CORRESPONDING SYSTEMS THAT MAY NEED TO BE PHASED.

YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, AND I'VE SAID MANY TIMES TODAY, WE KNOW THAT THIS IS CITY HALL AND THIS IS WHERE THE CORE OF CITY SERVICES COME FROM, AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT THAT. AND FINALLY, IS THE REGULATORY LENS.

AS I MENTIONED, MUCH OF WHAT'S IN THE A COM REPORT FOCUSES ON ONE FOR ONE LIKE FOR LIKE REPLACEMENT OF SYSTEMS AND DOES NOT CONSIDER THAT PER CODE OR PER ADA REGULATIONS. WHEN MANY OF THESE ELEMENTS ARE REPLACED, IT IS GOING TO TRIGGER ANCILLARY WORK TO MEET THOSE CODE AND ADA COMPLIANT ELEMENTS.

SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LEVEL SET ON THOSE ELEMENTS TODAY WITH YOU AS WE GO THROUGH OUR PROGRAM.

WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT BACK OVER TO JEN TO TALK ABOUT OUR INITIAL PLANNING CONSIDERATIONS.

THANK YOU. AS THE CITY OF DALLAS CONSIDERS ALL OPTIONS AVAILABLE, WE WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO DESCRIBE SOME TYPICAL PROS AND CONS FOR RENOVATIONS IN AN EXISTING BUILDING, SUCH AS CITY HALLS AND OTHER MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS.

NEXT SLIDE. GREAT. ONE POINT TO HIGHLIGHT BEFORE WE GET GOING ON THE PROS AND CONS REVIEW.

WHETHER NEW CONSTRUCTION OR RENOVATION, AND ESPECIALLY RENOVATIONS IN OLDER BUILDINGS, THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES.

SOMETIMES IT'S UNFORESEEN CONDITIONS, ESPECIALLY IN A BUILDING LIKE THIS, OF THIS AGE.

AS YOU START TO DEMOLISH OR REPLACE THOSE ITEMS, YOU DISCOVER THINGS THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW WERE THERE.

IN ADDITION, WEATHER DELAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL HAD HUGE STORMS YESTERDAY AND IT DEFINITELY DELAYED SEVERAL OF US GETTING HERE.

SO THAT HAPPENS AND THAT HAPPENS ON EVERY CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, WHETHER YOU'RE BUILDING NEW, YOU'RE DEMOLISHING OR YOU'RE RENOVATING. AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER ACCIDENTS THAT JUST HAPPEN.

SO CONSTRUCTION REAL ESTATE IS NOT PERFECT. THE POSITIVE IS, IS THAT YOU ALL KNOW YOUR BUSINESS AND YOU KNOW THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO HIRE PROFESSIONAL ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS, PROGRAM MANAGERS AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGERS LIKE THOSE PRESENTING ON THE TWO TEAMS TEAMS TODAY TO ASSIST OWNERS WITH REASONABLE CONTINGENCIES.

HOWEVER, THEY ARE STILL NOT FOOLPROOF. SO DO YOU WANT TO REVIEW THAT SO QUICKLY TO GO OVER THE PROS AND CONS THAT WE DEVELOPED AND THESE ARE SPECIFIC TO A VACATED EXISTING BUILDING RENOVATION AND A TEN YEAR BUILDING, BUT THESE ARE STILL JUST TYPICALS.

SO RENOVATIONS ON A FULLY VACANT DALLAS CITY HALL AS AN EXAMPLE, THE PROS ARE, IT WOULD BE LESS COMPLEX.

ALL MAJOR SYSTEMS WOULD BE RENEWED IN ONE COORDINATED EFFORT, FASTER COMPLETION, A SINGLE MOBILIZATION.

SO YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO HIRE A CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT GENERAL CONTRACTOR.

THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO HIRE ALL OF THE TRADES, AND ALL OF THAT WOULD BE DONE ALL AT ONE TIME IN A SINGLE MOBILIZATION AND RESTORATION.

ECONOMY OF SCALE. THIS IS THE COST BASELINE FOR THE $329 MILLION FIGURE.

BUT THAT IS NOT A TOTAL PROJECT COST. JUST AGAIN, AS A REMINDER, THE CONS THE BUILDING WILL HAVE TO BE VACATED DURING CONSTRUCTION.

TEMPORARY WORKSPACE WILL BE REQUIRED FOR 100% OF THE EMPLOYEES IN CITY HALL OPERATIONS, FULL FUNDING REQUIRED IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME.

SO FOR A PHASED TENURE RENOVATION, THESE ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES THE TYPICAL PROS ARE WITH PHASED CONSTRUCTION.

SOME OF THE BUILDING POTENTIALLY SEVERAL AREAS OF THE BUILDING MAY REMAIN IN USE.

TYPICALLY, THE PRIORITY IS TO REPAIR MOST CRITICAL SYSTEMS FIRST SEQUENCED OVER A DECADE PHASE RENOVATION MAY PROVIDE MORE RUNWAY TIME TO COMMUNICATE AND IMPLEMENT CHANGE MANAGEMENT. CRITICAL SERVICES MAY REMAIN OPERATIONAL.

THE TYPICAL CONS ARE A LONGER OVERALL DURATION, MULTIPLE MOBILIZATIONS AND DEMOBILIZATIONS INCREASED COMPLEXITY, COMPLEXITY, POTENTIAL TO INCUR ADDITIONAL COSTS AS WORK STRETCHES OUT OVER TIME, WHICH IS INCLUDING THE ESCALATION, MULTIPLE MOBILIZATIONS, AND MORE OVERHEAD COSTS.

CHANGE SLIDES. AS MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION, REVIEWING THE PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENTS AND OTHER REPORTS IS CRITICAL IN DEVELOPING A PHASED IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AS EACH COMPONENT OF THE BUILDING AND ITS SYSTEMS NEEDS TO BE RATED ON A RISK OF FAILURE DURING THE RENOVATION EXECUTION

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ON THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. ON THIS SLIDE, WE'RE SHOWING TWO SIMPLE EARLY EXAMPLES OF HOW WE ARE UTILIZING THE RECEIVED DATA AND APPLYING IT TO THE RISK ASSESSMENT TOOL. THE ROOF AS AN EXAMPLE, IN THE SMALL BUBBLE ON THE TOP LEFT OF THE CHART HAS EXCEEDED TYPICAL SERVICE LIFE AND IS EXPERIENCING FAILURE OR LEAKS. THE IMPACT, HOWEVER, DOES NOT AFFECT ESSENTIAL MUNICIPAL SERVICES AS MOST OF THE OCCUPANTS ARE NOT RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE ROOF AND NOT EXPERIENCING THOSE THOSE LEAKS GENERATORS ON THE ON THE OTHER HAND, WHICH IS THE LARGER BUBBLE. IS THESE ARE CURRENTLY BEYOND THEIR USEFUL LIFE WITH SEVERAL PAST FAILURES AND THE RISK OF NEXT FAILURE.

WE ARE SHOWING IN THE IN 0 TO 2 YEARS GENERATORS FAILING PRESENT EXTREME RISK FOR CONTINUITY OF OPERATIONS IN THE BUILDING SUCH AS LIFE SAFETY, EMERGENCY RESPONSE, AND THE UNINTERRUPTED FUNCTIONING OF ESSENTIAL MUNICIPAL SERVICES.

NEXT SLIDE. PER THE REQUEST, WE ARE PREPARING TWO PHASED RENOVATION EXECUTION PLANS FOR DALLAS CITY HALL.

THESE UTILIZE THE SAME RISK ASSESSMENT TOOL AND CONSIDERS THE SAME FIVE CATEGORIES OF DECISION MAKING THAT TANYA WENT OVER EARLIER.

AS A REMINDER, THESE ARE. MAXIMIZE THE USE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

MINIMIZE OPERATIONAL DISRUPTION. MAXIMIZING CONSTRUCTION EFFICIENCY AND MOBILIZATION.

KEEP AN EYE ON THE FUTURE HOLISTIC VIEW FLEXIBILITY AND CONSIDER THE BUILDING'S HISTORICAL HIGHLIGHTS.

SO IN OUR FIRST KIND OF THEMED PHASED EXECUTION PLAN, WE'RE CALLING THIS A BEST PRACTICE REPAIRS AND UPDATES OVER THE TEN YEARS. THIS APPROACH HIGHLIGHTS FACILITY OPERATIONS STRATEGIZE, STRATEGIZE STRATEGIES CONSISTENTLY SHOWN TO PERFORM AND WITH EFFICACY AND EFFICIENCY MAXIMIZING CONSTRUCTION MOBILIZATIONS PLAN TO ENSURE QUALITY, MINIMUM RISK AND MAXIMIZE THE VALUE.

THE OTHER PLAN IS LEAST DISRUPTIVE APPROACH TO OPERATIONS FOCUSED ON MINIMIZING DISRUPTIONS TO THE BUILDING'S REGULAR FUNCTIONS, INVOLVING CAREFULLY PHASED STRATEGIES TO SUPPORT BUILDING OCCUPANTS, LIMIT IMPACT TO PRODUCTIVITY, AND MAINTAIN CONTINUITY OF SERVICES. SO A QUICK EXAMPLE THAT I THINK ANYBODY THAT EITHER GOT HERE TODAY IN THE AUDIENCE OR, OR THE MEMBERS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT KIND OF TRANSPORTATION.

SO TO KIND OF GIVE US AN EVERYDAY EXAMPLE THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY REAL ESTATE BASED.

SO CONSIDER A ROAD CONSTRUCTION. SO THERE ARE UTILITIES UNDER A ROAD THAT NEED TO BE DUG UP AND REPAIRED.

SO IF YOU USE OUR TWO PLAN OPTIONS IN THE BEST PRACTICE REPAIRS UPDATES, PRIORITY PRIORITIZATION OPTION, WE MIGHT CLOSE THE ROAD PROVIDING A DETOUR FOR TWO DAYS, MOBILIZING ALL CONTRACTORS TO DIG UP THE ROAD, REPAIR THE UTILITY AND REPAVE ALL AT ONE TIME.

SO THE LEAST DISRUPTIVE APPROACH THAT WOULD IMPACT THE FEWEST AMOUNT OF PEOPLE, ALTHOUGH YOU WOULD STILL PROBABLY SIT IN TRAFFIC.

THIS COULD POTENTIALLY BE DONE IN MULTIPLE SMALLER PHASES SO THAT MAYBE A LANE ON THE ROAD IS ONLY CLOSED FOR TWO HOURS A DAY, BUT IT EXTENDS FOR SEVERAL WEEKS. THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SEVERAL STARTS AND STOPS TO THE PROJECT EACH DAY, BUT IT IS LESS LESS DISRUPTIVE TO THOSE THAT TRAVEL ON THAT PATH.

NEXT SLIDE. OTHER CONSIDERATIONS. THE BASELINE AGAIN, THE $329 MILLION SCOPE IS LIMITED, NOT FULLY INCLUSIVE OF A FULL PROJECT TO BRING THE BUILDING UP TO CURRENT BEST PRACTICE WORKPLACE.

IN ADDITION TO THE BASELINE CORRECTIVE BUILDING SYSTEMS, REPLACEMENTS AND REPAIRS.

THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL COSTS FOR ADA ACCESSIBILITY BUILDING UPGRADES.

IN ADDITION TO HISTORICAL PRESERVATION REQUIREMENTS, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT COME ABOUT.

NEXT SLIDE. ALTHOUGH OUR PROGRAM HAS CONSIDERED HISTORICAL HIGHLIGHTS SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS OPTION THAT YOU WERE PRESENTED, WE ARE NOT INCLUDING FULL HISTORICAL PRESERVATION IN THE PHASED REPAIR PROGRAM.

OUR TEAM IS PROVIDING SUPPLEMENTAL OBSERVATIONS AND PROFESSIONAL ANALYSIS THAT IS BASED ON THE PREVIOUS BUILDING ASSESSMENTS.

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REPAIR VERSUS REPLACEMENT. SO NOT EVERYBODY FULLY GRASPED THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A REPAIR AND A REPLACEMENT.

SO JUST A QUICK LITTLE REPAIR IS JUST THAT. IT'S A REPAIR THAT MAY BE SHORT TERM AND REQUIRE MULTIPLE MULTIPLE REPAIRS WITHIN THE TEN YEARS.

A REPLACEMENT IS LONGER TERM AS IT IS A FULL REPLACEMENT, WHICH TYPICALLY ALSO CARRIES WARRANTIES, FINANCING, BENEFITS, ETC. AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR TEAM'S PRESENTATION.

AND I'M GOING TO PASS IT ON TO WILL MENNINGER WITH THE WMT COMPANY.

THANK YOU. WHEN I ARRIVED THIS MORNING, I ANTICIPATED SAYING GOOD MORNING AND IT'S NOW GOOD AFTERNOON.

LET ME START BY SAYING I MOVED TO DALLAS TO GO TO GRADUATE SCHOOL IN THE MID 70S.

I BEGAN MY BUSINESS CAREER HERE AND I'VE STAYED HERE EVER SINCE.

MY PERSONAL CONNECTION TO THE CITY OF DALLAS BEGAN LONG BEFORE I MOVED HERE.

MY MOTHER GREW UP IN THE SHADOW OF THE LAKEWOOD THEATER.

MY GRANDMOTHER TAUGHT SCHOOL AT THE DISD FOR 50 YEARS.

MANY SUMMERS AND MANY HOLIDAYS I SPENT RUNNING UP AND DOWN EAST DALLAS WITH MY COUSINS THROUGH MANY HOLIDAYS. SO MY COMMENT IS DALLAS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE BEEN CONNECTED TO FOR A LONG TIME AND IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME.

I FORMED W M2 COMPANY UPON MY RETIREMENT FROM GOLDMAN SACHS.

I ENDED UP TRYING TO RETIRE. I'VE TRIED THAT SEVERAL TIMES AND HAVE NOT MADE IT YET.

WHEN YOU, MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE ENDED UP WORKING WITH ACTUALLY USED TO WORK WITH ME IN DIFFERENT AREAS WHERE I KNEW THEM AROUND THE CITY.

YOU CAN ALMOST SUMMARIZE MY ACTIVITY NOW. WHEN I WAS A YOUNGSTER IN THE BUSINESS, SOMEBODY WOULD SAY ON A COMPLICATED PROCESS WHERE THEY HAD SOME YOUNGSTERS INVOLVED IN IT.

WE NEEDED TO GET A GUY IN HERE WITH GRAY HAIR.

WELL, THAT IS ENDED UP BEING ME WITH GRAY HAIR AS I'VE SPENT MY CAREER.

I MEAN, TOTALLY IN THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS. WHEN I JOINED ARCON GROUP, IT WAS A SMALL, WELL-FUNDED OPERATION BY GOLDMAN SACHS.

WE FINANCE, WE FUNDED ACQUISITIONS, LOANS, DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIPS WITH A VARIETY OF PEOPLE.

WE GREW RAPIDLY, BOTH IN DOLLAR WISE AND DOMESTICALLY.

AND THEN ULTIMATELY WE GREW INTERNATIONALLY BECAUSE OF THAT GROWTH.

I WAS MADE THE NATIONAL DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT WHERE I HAD DEVELOPMENT, THE ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP, AND THE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES WHERE WE OVERSAW PARTNERSHIPS, CONSTRUCTION, ALMOST EVERY ASPECT OF A PHYSICAL NATURE THAT CAN OCCUR ON A REAL ESTATE PROJECT. THE PORTFOLIO INCLUDED RETAIL, INDUSTRIAL, OFFICE, HOTEL, MULTI AND, AND CONDOMINIUMS. I WAS INVOLVED IN OVER 250 PROJECTS IN OVER $5 BILLION AT THE END OF THE DAY.

WHEN I LEFT, I THINK OUR PORTFOLIO WAS SOMETHING LIKE 35 OR $40 BILLION.

THE PROBABLY THE MOST ACCURATE STATEMENT HERE IS THROUGHOUT MY CAREER, I'VE ASSISTED OR BEEN DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, RENOVATION, PROBLEM SOLVING INVOLVING ALMOST ANY ISSUE IN THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS.

IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, IT'S NOT ALWAYS TO SAY I DID IT ALL WELL, BUT I HAVE BEEN AROUND AND SEEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND STILL ENJOY THE BUSINESS. ANY SUCCESS I'VE HAD HAS COME FROM AN ASSOCIATION WITH QUALITY PEOPLE AND PARTNERS THAT I'VE KNOWN A LONG TIME. THAT BRINGS ME TO THE PERSON SITTING ON MY RIGHT, DON POWELL.

DON IS CURRENTLY THE EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT OF ARCHITECTURE AND PLANNING FOR FIDELIS REALTY PARTNERS.

THEY'RE A BIG OPERATION THAT SPECIALIZES IN BUILD TO SUITS, MEDICAL OFFICE, MIXED USE, AND I KNOW THEY'RE HAPPY TO HAVE DON HERE.

HE CAME FROM WHERE I ORIGINALLY GOT TO KNOW HIM, AND HE WAS THE FOUNDING PARTNER AND PRINCIPAL OF PRINCIPLE OF BOKA POWELL, DON AND BOKA POWELL WERE ALL WELL KNOWN FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE A SENSITIVITY FOR DESIGN AND DOLLARS, AND HOW TO EXECUTE HIGH QUALITY PROJECTS. DON'S BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR 50,000,000FT² OF OFFICE

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CHRISTUS HEALTH HEADQUARTERS IN LAS COLINAS, THE WESTIN IRVING CONVENTION CENTER.

AND THIS WAS A SURPRISE TO ME. NASA'S SPACE STATION MISSION CONTROL AT JOHNSON SPACE CENTER, HOUSTON. DON'S VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE. HE'S VERY HONEST, AND HE'S SEEN MAYBE MORE THAN I HAVE FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT.

WE ALSO BROUGHT ON BOARD STRUCTURE, TONE, SOUTHWEST STRUCTURE, TONE HAS ALWAYS BEEN KNOWN IN DALLAS.

THEY'VE BEEN HERE 50 YEARS AS DALLAS PREMIER INTERIOR CONSTRUCTION FIRM.

THEY'RE AFFILIATED WITH A NATIONAL NETWORK OF CONTRACTORS AND ARE CURRENTLY THE THIRD LARGEST CONTRACTOR IN THE.

IN THE COUNTRY, AND THEY HAVE OFFICES ACTUALLY IN CANADA, UK, IRELAND, AND THEY'RE SCATTERED ALL OVER THE WORLD.

THEY ARE THE LARGEST INTERIOR CONTRACTOR IN THE COUNTRY.

AND YOU MAY RECOGNIZE SOME THINGS THAT THEY'VE DONE.

THEY'VE DONE $2 MILLION. 2,000,000FT² WITH AMERICAN AIRLINES.

THEY'VE DONE 1,000,000FT² WITH SOUTHWEST AIRLINES.

AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY INVOLVED IN ONE OF DALLAS BRIGHT SPOTS.

AND THAT IS THE RELOCATION OF GOLDMAN SACHS TO DALLAS, WHERE THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INTERIOR FINISH FOR THAT 800 ZERO ZERO ZERO SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. LET ME TOUCH ON MY ON ON OUR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES.

THAT'S OUR TEAM. IF YOU ADD OUR EXPERIENCE THEM UP FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING HERE, IT'S LIKE 200 YEARS.

WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF STUFF. HERE'S OUR FOCUS AND THE GENERAL FOCUS FROM OUR TEAM STANDPOINT, AND I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR US.

AND GRESHAM SMITH AS WELL, IS TO CREATE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE BUILDING THAT WE CALL CITY HALL AND UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE USING TO ADDRESS THE SHORTCOMINGS IN IN THE BUILDING HERE.

THERE'S, I HEARD A LOT OF CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE JOINED THE STAGE.

AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO TIGHTEN EVERYBODY'S UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S REAL AND WHAT'S NOT REAL AS IT RELATES TO THE ISSUES THAT ARE HERE.

OUR FOCUS HAS BEEN PERFORM AN INDEPENDENT STUDY.

WE'VE USED THE VARIOUS REPORTS FROM AECOM AND THEIR VARIETY OF SUB CONTRACTORS THAT THEY USE TO COME UP WITH, WITH THEIR PROPERTY CONDITION REPORT. I WOULD SAY AS A GENERAL RULE, WE THOUGHT THE QUALITY OF THEIR REPORTS WAS QUITE HIGH.

THEIR CONSULTANTS DID A GOOD JOB, AND MY HAT'S OFF TO A LOT OF THE RESEARCH THAT THEY DID.

OUR OTHER PROGRAM IS TO FORM A JUDGMENT ON THE CONDITION AND REPAIR OF THE BUILDING, AND CREATE A PLAN TO EXECUTE A TEN YEAR REPAIR PROGRAM. ONE OF THE KEY ELEMENTS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IS WHAT I WOULD CALL A PEER REVIEW IN COORDINATION WITH GRESHAM SMITH.

THEY'RE ALSO DOING AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW THAT YOU HEARD THEM DISCUSS.

WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING. ONE OF OUR TASK IS TO PROVIDE A PEER REVIEW IN SOME DEGREE OF OVERSIGHT IN HOW THEY'RE TAKING A LOOK AT THE PROJECT.

AND DO WE AGREE WITH IT OR DISAGREE WITH IT. BUT WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE REALLY DOING IS HAVING TWO GROUPS WITH DIFFERENT DISCIPLINES TO A CERTAIN DEGREE TO SHARE INFORMATION, REVIEW THEIR THOUGHTS, PERSPECTIVE AND METHODOLOGY, AND WE ARE SHARING OURS AT THE SAME TIME WITH THEM.

THIS BUILDING'S GOT A LOT OF UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS.

IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE, AT THE PROGRAM THAT YOU SAW THEY HAVE A PLANNING PROGRAM WHERE THEY REALLY LOOK AT PLANNING AND DESIGN.

AND IF YOU REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT OURS AS WE CONTINUE THIS PROGRAM, OURS IS A LITTLE MORE CONTRACTOR FOCUSED AND A LITTLE MORE, HOW DO WE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, PUT THIS IN, IN PLAY FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT? OKAY, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO THE NEXT SLIDE. EXCUSE ME, MISTER MAYOR, I CAN I'M SORRY.

I CAN BARELY HEAR HIM. CAN I TURN THE MIC UP FOR ME, PLEASE? WILL MUNDINGER, WILL YOU PLEASE SPEAK MORE DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE LIKE THIS? THANK YOU. IS THAT BETTER? THAT'S FOR CHAIRMAN JOHNSON, NOT ME.

THAT'S FOR HIM. I. I COULD HEAR YOU JUST FINE, WILL.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR PROJECT OVERVIEW CONSTRUCTABILITY REVIEW.

WHEN A AECOM DID THEIR REPORT, THEY DID A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT EASED THEIR PROGRAM.

THEY ESSENTIALLY VACATED THE BUILDING, AND THEN THEY PUT TOGETHER A, A PROJECT.

THEY ESSENTIALLY PRODUCED A BUDGET. THERE'S NOWHERE IN THE REPORT SPECIFICALLY ON, OKAY, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT WORK?

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BUT AGAIN, HOW DO YOU ATTACK THE BUILDING? WHAT DO YOU VACATE? WHAT DO YOU REPAIR FIRST? WHAT DO YOU REPAIR? SECOND, WHAT ISSUES MAY YOU TRIP OVER IN THE IMPLEMENTATION AND HOW DO YOU ADJUST? YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE FACTORS THAT YOU WILL UNCOVER WHEN YOU START IN, IN THAT PROCESS? AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, ALL THAT STUFF IS TRANSLATED TO MONEY.

AND TO TALK ABOUT THE MONEY, I'M GOING TO ASK THE STRUCTURE TONE TEAM TO COME UP AND KELLY EA1 WHO IS THE HEAD OF THEIR PRE-CONSTRUCTION SERVICES, AND I'M GOING TO ASK HER TO COME UP AND SPEAK ABOUT THE BUDGETING PROCESS AND THE ESTIMATING AND ALSO INTRODUCE HER TEAM.

KELLY.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. I'M KELLY IOANNOU.

I HAVE BEEN AT STRUCTURE TOWN SOUTHWEST FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, WORKING EXCLUSIVELY IN DALLAS AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS.

I HAVE WITH ME MICHAEL HIBBARD, WHO'S ONE OF OUR SENIOR ESTIMATORS, AND MICHAEL PURCELL, WHO IS ONE OF OUR ACCOUNT EXECUTIVES.

BOTH HAVE EXPERIENCE IN CONSTRUCTION FOR OVER 30 YEARS.

WHAT I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT TODAY IS THE BUDGETING PROCESS AND HOW WE PUT TOGETHER OUR BUDGETS AND HOW THERE'S COST CERTAINTY INVOLVED AND THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF COST CERTAINTY. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN TANDEM WHEN WE LOOK AT BUDGETING PROJECTS.

FIRST WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT US AS PROFESSIONALS IN STRUCTURE TOWN, WE UNDERSTAND THIS PROJECT AS WELL AS ANY OF THE ARCHITECTS OR ENGINEERS OR CONSULTANTS ON THIS JOB. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND NOT ONLY THE NUMBERS AND THE MONEY PART OF IT, BUT ALSO THE CONSTRUCTIBILITY MEANING IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A SET OF BLUEPRINTS THAT AN ARCHITECT HAS DRAWN UP, IT'S UP TO US TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT CAN WORK.

MEANING IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT LIGHT FIXTURES INTO A CEILING, WE HAVE TO KNOW THAT THERE'S PART OF THAT CEILING THAT'S ALSO GOING TO HAVE TO GET DEMOLISHED IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO PUT THOSE LIGHT FIXTURES IN.

SO THINGS LIKE THAT IS WHAT WE LOOK FOR INTERNALLY AT AT STRUCTURE TOWN, WE CURRENTLY HAVE 14 PRECONSTRUCTION PROFESSIONALS.

THAT'S ALL WE DO IS JUST PRE-CON. SO WE HAVE A REALLY ROBUST STAFF THAT IS REALLY WELL-VERSED IN HOW THINGS GO TOGETHER.

AGAIN, PRE-CON IS NOT JUST ABOUT BUDGETING. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT NUMBERS.

THE OTHER THINGS THAT HAPPEN AS WE GO THROUGH THE BUDGETING IS WE MAKE SURE FOR A PROJECT EITHER LIKE THIS OR ANY, ANY LARGE SCALE PROJECT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT SUBCONTRACTORS INVOLVED.

SO FOR, FOR US IS STRUCTURED. WE DON'T SELF-PERFORM ANY WORK.

SO EVERYTHING THAT WE DO IS SUBCONTRACTOR BASED.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL OF THE CORRECT SUBCONTRACTORS ON THE JOB.

AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE HAVE TO REALLY BALANCE COMPETITIVELY BIDDING PROJECTS LIKE THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A REALLY FAIR, GOOD VIEW OF THE MARKET VERSUS THE THE ACTUAL COST.

SO EXCUSE ME FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SUBCONTRACTORS THAT WE INVITE TO PARTICIPATE IN, IN A PROJECT LIKE THIS ARE QUALIFIED TO DO THIS JOB, MEANING THEY HAVE DONE LARGER PROJECTS BEFORE.

THEY, THEY ARE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS IN WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING THAT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN TEAM EXPERIENCE IN WORKING ON VERY COMPLEX PROJECTS THAT ARE EITHER PHASED OR IN A, IN A FACILITY THAT IS OCCUPIED WITH, WITH WORKERS AND STAFF AND WHATNOT.

SO THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO IT. WHAT WE DO IN TERMS OF GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE GRANULAR.

AND I WON'T TAKE TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME AND BORE YOU TOO MUCH WITH THE DETAILS, BUT WE'LL GO THROUGH THE BLUEPRINTS ONCE, ONCE WE GET TO THAT LEVEL, AND WE WILL REALLY QUANTIFY EVERY SINGLE THING THAT'S ON THAT SET OF PLAN.

SO WE WILL UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE IS IN A ROOM, HOW MANY LIGHT FIXTURES, COUNTS OF THINGS, SO THAT WHEN WE START GETTING OUR SUBCONTRACTOR BIDS BACK IN, WE UNDERSTAND THAT JOB SO WELL THAT WE ARE ABLE TO VERY CAREFULLY ANALYZE ANY OF THESE SUBCONTRACTOR BIDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE CORRECT.

SO WHAT WE LIKE TO SAY AT STRUCTURE, TONE, AND WHEN WHEN I GO ON DIFFERENT JOB MEETINGS IS PROJECTS DON'T GO BAD,

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AND SO IN DOING THAT, WHAT WE WANT TO ULTIMATELY DELIVER TO ANY OF OUR CLIENTS IS A PROJECT THAT IS NOT FULL OF ANY HOLES THAT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF OVERRUNS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING.

WE WE REALLY, REALLY COME UP WITH A REALLY SOLID PLAN.

WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR THIS PROJECT, IN PARTICULAR IN THESE EARLY STAGES, IS WE HAVE ENGAGED SUBCONTRACTORS THAT HAVE ACTUALLY WORKED IN THIS BUILDING OVER THE YEARS. SO THEY HAVE BEEN HERE, THEY HAVE VISITED THE SPACE, THEY HAVE LOOKED AT THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND WE ARE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THEM TO COME UP WITH SOME REAL RESPONSIBLE NUMBERS FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO ANALYZE AND LOOK AT AND REALLY, REALLY UNDERSTAND. I KNOW THAT NOT EVERYONE IN HERE UNDERSTANDS HOW CONSTRUCTION GOES, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S OUR JOB, RIGHT? THAT'S FOR US TO HELP EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHAT THINGS WHAT THEY NEED TO DO AND WHAT SEQUENCE THEY NEED TO HAPPEN.

SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TODAY WITH WILL AND DON.

AND OUR GROUP IS ANALYZING THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE NOW AND COMING UP WITH SOME REALLY, REALLY STRONG, CLEAR DETAILED BUDGETS FOR YOU TO LOOK AT AND ANALYZE.

OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU.

I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO DON TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE CALL KEY BUILDING SYSTEMS. AND HE'S GOING TO RANK SOME OF THE SHORTCOMINGS IN THE BUILDING IS RELATING TO DEGREE OF DIFFICULTY.

DON IS ON YOU. SHOULD WE GET ADVANCE TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE? THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL FOR HOSTING THIS CONVERSATION THIS AFTERNOON.

I THINK IT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT THAT THIS IS ALL DONE FULLY, TRANSPARENTLY WITH OUR COMMUNITY.

BUT I APPRECIATE WILL INCLUDING ME IN THIS PROCESS.

WILL. AND I HAVE A 40, 45 YEAR HISTORY OF DOING WORK TOGETHER AND I TRUST WILL IMPLICITLY.

AND WHEN I WALK AROUND THE HALLS OF THE CITY HALL, I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO TRUST WILL IMPLICITLY.

SO I'M HONORED TO BE ON WILL'S TEAM. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULD CUT ANY CORNERS OR TAKE ANYTHING FOR GRANTED.

WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITIES THE CITY HAS AFFORDED US WHEN WE SET OUT TO DO THIS WORK, WHICH ACTUALLY STARTED FOR ME ON APRIL 1ST OF THIS YEAR, I GOT A CALL FROM WILL SAYING, DON, CAN YOU HELP ME? I, OF COURSE, SAID YES, BUT AND THEN WE GOT THE BUT TAKEN CARE OF.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT WHEN WILL ASK ME TO DO SOMETHING, I ALWAYS TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.

IT'S FOR GOOD CUSTOMERS AND THEY RELY UPON HIM, AND I WANT TO BE AT THE TABLE WITH WILL AS WE DISCUSS THINGS OF IMPORTANCE.

JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON ME. I GREW UP IN THE MIDWEST.

IN INDIANA. I WENT TO A FIVE YEAR COLLEGE OF ARCHITECTURE PROGRAM IN FOUR YEARS INTO MY ARCHITECTURE PROGRAM, I STARTED LOOKING AT WHERE I WOULD MOVE IN THE UNITED STATES FOLLOWING MY GRADUATION.

I WAS NOT GOING TO STAY IN MUNCIE, INDIANA. SHOCK.

BUT I LOOKED AT THE SUNBELT PRIMARILY AS THE FUTURE OF THIS COUNTRY.

IN 1976, IT WAS ALREADY CLEAR TO ME THAT THE SUN BELT WAS WHERE ALL OF MY FAMILY WAS MOVING TO, AND I FELT LIKE IT WAS A NATURAL PROGRESSION FOR OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY.

AND I PUT A LIST TOGETHER OF SIX CITIES THAT I WANTED TO ENTERTAIN MOVING TO WHEN MY WHEN I GRADUATED DALLAS, HOUSTON, AUSTIN, SAN ANTONIO, PHOENIX, AND TEMPE, ARIZONA FOR SOME STRANGE REASON.

BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, WHEN I GOT TO DALLAS FIRST, I WAS BLOWN AWAY.

I FLEW INTO DFW AIRPORT AND WHAT AN AMAZING ACCOMPLISHMENT THAT WAS.

AND THE MAYOR WHO HAD THE VISION TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, AND THE CITY COUNCIL THAT HAD THE VISION TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN TRANSFORMED THIS CITY.

IT IS THE NUMBER ONE REASON THAT CORPORATIONS LOOK AT DALLAS SERIOUSLY.

IF THEY DO BUSINESS COAST TO COAST IN THE UNITED STATES.

SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE CITY COUNCIL TODAY AND WHAT'S BEFORE YOU.

THIS CITY HALL IS THE EQUIVALENT OF BUYING A FERRARI, AND THAT WAS PURCHASED ABOUT 50 YEARS AGO.

AND THAT FERRARI IS ALWAYS EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN, BUT IT IS ALWAYS OUTPERFORMING THE OTHER PRODUCTS IN THE MARKET AS WELL.

AND I THINK PHILOSOPHICALLY, WHERE WE ARE AT THIS MOMENT IS WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO LOOK AT A PROGRAM TO STRUCTURE THE PAYMENTS FOR THIS PROJECT SO THAT THEY ARE BEARABLE BY THE CITY. AND THIS TEN YEAR STRATEGY IS SOMETHING THAT IS A FACT.

IT'S NOT AN OBSTACLE. IT CREATES OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO ALLOCATE RESOURCES IN THE PROPER ORDER.

BUT THE END GOAL IS ALWAYS IN MIND. AND YOU'LL SEE IN OUR PRESENTATION THE CRITERIA WE USE.

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THIRDLY, WE EVALUATE ALTERNATIVES. THEN WE LOOK AT SEQUENCING OF THE EXECUTION.

AND LASTLY, WE'LL PROVIDE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT SEQUENCE.

THE REASON THIS IS IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE EVERY STEP THAT WE TAKE, WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT COMPLEXITY.

WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT WHETHER THAT'S THINGS ARE EASY TO DO OR THEY'RE REALLY DIFFICULT.

BUT WE ALSO WANT TO THINK ABOUT DISRUPTION. AND THERE'S A CERTAIN TOLERANCE THAT EVERY CUSTOMER WE DEAL WITH HAS FOR DISRUPTION.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALSO PLAYING A ROLE IN EVERYTHING WE DO.

SO THE LIST YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU HERE, THESE THREE BLOCKS OF COLOR ARE 17 DIFFERENT TOPICS THAT I WAS ASKED TO JUST TAKE A QUICK OVERVIEW AND TALK ABOUT WHY THEY ARE RELEVANT TO THE CONVERSATION. THE EXTERIOR ENVELOPE OF THIS BUILDING HAS GOTTEN A LOT OF ATTENTION ABOUT IS IT BEAUTIFUL? IS IT NOT BEAUTIFUL? IT'S A MODERNIST BUILDING POST WORLD WAR TWO, WHERE THE WHOLE CRITERIA FOR DESIGNING BUILDINGS FLIPPED ON ITS HEAD.

THEY WERE NO LONGER ORNAMENT. THEY WERE FUNCTIONALLY DRIVEN AND INFORM WAS FOLLOWING FUNCTION.

SO THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT HAPPENED AFTER WORLD WAR TWO.

BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, IT'S A VERY SIMPLE KIT OF PARTS.

THE CAST IN PLACE ARCHITECTURAL CONCRETE FRAME ON THIS BUILDING, CONTRARY TO A LOT OF OPINIONS, WILL HAVE A LIFE EXPECTANCY OF BETWEEN 200 AND 400 YEARS, AND IT IS NOT GOING TO BE THE FAILURE OF THE CITY.

AS I'VE TOLD MANY PEOPLE, THE THING THAT MAKES MAKES BUILDINGS OFFICE BUILDINGS PARTICULARLY OBSOLETE IS NOT THE STRUCTURE, IT'S THE LIMITATION FOR PATHWAYS, FOR ENHANCEMENTS, FOR TECHNOLOGY.

THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE REASON WE RUN INTO FAILED BUILDINGS IS YOU CANNOT UPDATE THEM COST EFFECTIVELY OR EVEN POSSIBLY IN SOME CASES.

SO WE DO KNOW THAT THE EXTERIOR ENVELOPE OF THE BUILDING IS A BIG COST ITEM IN THE AECOM STUDY.

WHAT WE WOULD OFFER UP TO YOU IS THIS IS ONE OF THE SIMPLEST BUILDINGS TO FIX THE EXTERIOR.

AND WE HAVE CONCRETE THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED AND IT NEEDS TO BE SEALED, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER CONCRETE FRAME I'VE EVER DONE IN MY LIFE THAT'S EXPOSED.

YOU HAVE ABOUT A SEVEN YEAR LIFE CYCLE FOR REPLACING THAT SEALANT, BUT IF YOU DO THAT BASIC WORK, YOU WON'T SEE THE DETERIORATION. YOU WON'T SEE THE DIRT ACCUMULATE.

THE SEALANT THAT WE PUT ON THESE WALLS HELPS THE DIRT WASH OFF IN RAINSTORMS. SO IF WE GET THAT SEALANT THERE, IT'S GOING TO IMPROVE THE APPEARANCE OF THE BUILDING AS WELL.

BUT THE EXTERIOR WALLS HAVE BEEN NOTED FOR HAVING AIR AND MOISTURE INFILTRATION PROBLEMS FOR THE BUILDING.

AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS NOT A HARD BUILDING TO FIX.

WE HAVE THREE ELEMENTS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THIS BUILDING.

WE HAVE CONCRETE WALLS. WE HAVE GLASS AND A GLAZING SYSTEM THAT HOLDS THE GLASS IN PLACE, AND WE HAVE DOOR OPENINGS.

AND THOSE THREE THINGS ARE ABOUT AS SIMPLE AS THEY GET IN TERMS OF WHAT THE FIX IS.

SO I BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO SEE A TREMENDOUS DE-EMPHASIS ON WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO FIX THE EXTERIOR FACADES OF THIS BUILDING AND THE GLAZING SYSTEMS. THEN AS WE START LOOKING AT WHAT THE THE OTHER COMPLEXITIES ARE ON OUR LIST.

ROOF REPLACEMENT IS ONE THAT I THINK WE CAN ALL UNDERSTAND.

WE REPLACE ROOFS EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK. IT IS NOT UNCOMMON.

IT'S EASILY DONE. SO WHAT WE HAVE SAID IS LET'S GET THE RIGHT PRICE.

LET'S GET THE RIGHT SYSTEM, BUT ALSO ALSO MAKE CHANGES TO THE ROOF BEFORE WE REPLACE THE ROOF SO THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING TO PUT IN DIFFERENT CURBS AND OTHER APPURTENANCES THAT SUPPORT ROOFTOP MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT THAT MAY CHANGE.

SO LET'S GET THOSE THINGS DONE, BUT LET'S GET THAT ROOF DONE AND GET THIS BUILDING WATERTIGHT BETWEEN THE SKIN AND THE ROOF ITSELF.

YOU BASICALLY HAVE AN ENVELOPE THAT'S WATERTIGHT AND WE CALL THAT DRIED IN.

SO THE COAL TAR PITCH SYSTEMS THAT ARE USED ON THAT ROOF ARE GOOD FOR 50 TO 60 YEARS AND THEY'VE HIT THEIR MONEY.

THEY'VE THEY'VE SERVED THEIR LIFE. SO IT'S TIME TO IT'S TIME TO FIX IT.

AND YOU ALL KNOW THAT THE NEXT THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE PLAZA WATERPROOFING.

THIS IS THE MOST FASCINATING THING TO ME BECAUSE OF ALL THE TIMES I'VE BEEN IN CITY HALL.

WHEN YOU WALK INTO THIS GARAGE OR DRIVE IN, YOU'RE ASTONISHED BY THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT'S STANDING IN THIS GARAGE YEAR ROUND.

IT IS NOT A SEASONAL THING. YES, WHEN YOU HAVE STORMS, IT GETS WORSE.

BUT IT'S THERE ARE THERE ARE SOURCES OF WATER THAT ARE FEEDING THE JOINTS IN THIS GARAGE.

THE EXPANSION JOINTS IN THIS BUILDING ARE THE HOLE IN THE ROOF OF THE PARKING GARAGE.

AND IT'S NOT A DIFFICULT THING TO FIX. WE HAVE IT OUTLINED IN SUCH A WAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO FIX THE ROOF AND GET TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE INTERIOR OF THAT GARAGE PATCHED AND REPAIRED, BECAUSE ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING ON THE WALLS IN THE SPALLING,

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THE NEXT THE NEXT TOPIC I WANT TO TOUCH ON IS THE EMERGENCY POWER TO THIS BUILDING.

WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE FIVE GENERATORS THAT HAVE BEEN USED IN THE PAST.

ONE OR MAYBE TWO OF THEM ARE OPERATING SOME OF THE TIME, BUT IT'S RISKY BUSINESS.

AND NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE TO REPLACE THOSE GENERATORS AND THE TRANSFER SWITCHES REPLACING THE THE EQUIPMENT'S NOT A COMPLEX ISSUE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE LEARNED AS WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS IS GETTING TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO REPLACE THOSE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT ARE WHAT DRIVE HIM DRIVING THE CONSIDERATION IN SOME PEOPLE'S MIND THAT IT'S A HIGHLY COMPLEX ISSUE.

THE FREIGHT ELEVATORS NEEDING TO BE REPLACED.

IT'S SERVED ITS USEFUL LIFE. AND THAT WILL ENTAIL REPLACING THE MOTOR THAT DRIVES THE CABLING EVERYTHING, AND UPDATING THE CONTROLS. AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER PASSENGER ELEVATOR DOORS THAT HAVE OPERATIONAL ISSUES AND THOSE ARE EASILY FIXED.

BY THE WAY, IF WE JUST GET THE RIGHT CONSULTANTS INVOLVED.

I WANT TO MOVE TO THAT MIDDLE SLIDE. NOW THAT'S HIGH COMPLEXITY SYSTEMS. I HAVE DONE, AS WILL ALLUDED TO, 50,000,000FT² OF OFFICE BUILDINGS.

I HAVE NEVER HAD ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS WITH MORE THAN ONE SUBSTATION INSIDE THE BUILDING.

A SUBSTATION IS WHAT'S REQUIRED WHEN YOU BRING TRANSMISSION LINE VOLTAGE 13,200 VOLT POWER INTO YOUR BUILDING.

WHY DO PEOPLE DO THAT? IT'S MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE TO BUY TRANSMISSION LINE VOLTAGE THAN IT IS.

STEP DOWN VOLTAGE. SO YOU'RE SAVING. THE CITY HAS SAVED ENORMOUS MONEY OVER THE YEARS FOR FOR BRINGING THAT TRANSMISSION LINE VOLTAGE IN.

BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS 18 SUBSTATIONS EXIST INSIDE THIS.

18 SUBSTATIONS EXIST INSIDE THIS BUILDING. AND THAT NOW ADDS A LAYER OF COMPLEXITY THAT WE TYPICALLY DO NOT SEE IN AN OFFICE BUILDING, NO MATTER WHAT THE OTHER PURPOSES MIGHT BE. BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT THAT EQUIPMENT THAT THIS BUILDING ACQUIRED WHEN IT WAS BUILT THE FEDERAL PACIFIC COMPANY IS OUT OF BUSINESS.

I'M WORKING ON A PROJECT IN FLORIDA RIGHT NOW THAT'S SIMILAR AGE THAT WE HAD EQUIPMENT THAT ALL WE HAD TO DO WAS REPLACE THE SWITCHES.

ALL WE HAD TO DO WAS MAKE MINOR REPAIRS. WE DIDN'T HAVE TO REWIRE THE WHOLE BUILDING.

IT WAS ALL BECAUSE WE COULD BUY THE COMPONENTS THAT ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE FROM FEDERAL PACIFIC.

SO THERE IS A HUGE GOTCHA IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS.

WE HAVE TO REPLACE ALL OF THAT EQUIPMENT FROM THE SUBSTATIONS THEMSELVES, WHICH ARE LONG LEAD ITEMS THAT COULD TAKE AS MUCH AS 18 TO 22 MONTHS TO PROCURE. AND THEN YOU GET INTO THE TRANSFORMER ACQUISITION.

THOSE THINGS ARE LONG LEAD. BUT WE DO HAVE TO REPLACE THE TRANSFORMERS AND ALSO THE FEEDERS, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE BASICALLY FIXING THE SOURCE AND THEN THE TERMINATION POINT IN THE PANEL, WHAT YOU DON'T WANT IS A WEAK LINK BETWEEN THOSE TWO.

SO RIGHT NOW, THE STRATEGY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS SEQUENCING THE REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT OF THOSE CABLES.

ONE THING THAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS IS THEY GET DISTRIBUTED VERTICALLY THROUGH THE BUILDING. IN THIS CASE, THOSE SUBSTATIONS ARE UP ON THE EIGHTH FLOOR, THE SEVENTH FLOOR, AND THE CABLES COME IN AND GO UP THERE.

AND THEN THEY DOWN FEED FROM THOSE POINTS BACK THROUGH THE BUILDING TO SEPARATE ELECTRICAL CLOSETS ON EACH FLOOR.

BUT THE IDEA IS WE HAVE A VERTICAL DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM THAT HAS TO BE INTACT BEFORE WE START ADDING PANEL BOXES AND HORIZONTAL DISTRIBUTION.

AND ALL THAT ADDS TO COMPLEXITY. SO I CALL THAT A NINE OUT OF TEN.

IN TERMS OF COMPLEXITY, THE HVAC SYSTEM IN THIS BUILDING ARE VERY DIFFERENT THAN A LOT OF THINGS I'VE SEEN IN MY CAREER.

BUT THE FACT IS THAT THE CHILLERS IN THIS BUILDING HAVE EXCEEDED THEIR NORMAL LIFE EXPECTANCY.

AND WE'VE GOT CHILLERS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE ON THEIR LAST LEGS.

WE'LL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PROP THOSE UP DURING THIS 5 OR 10 YEAR PROCESS AND MAKE SURE WE REPLACE THOSE WHEN WE HAVE TO.

NOT GET AHEAD OF OURSELVES. BUT THE CONTROLS FOR ALL THESE HVAC SYSTEMS IN THIS BUILDING ARE ARCHAIC.

YOU STILL HAVE PNEUMATIC CONTROLS, WHICH WERE DONE IN THE 50S AND 60S, BECAUSE IT WAS AN EASY WAY FOR VALVES TO OPEN AND CLOSE WITH PNEUMATIC PRESSURE.

BUT TODAY, IT'S ALL DIRECT DIGITAL CONTROLS. THAT FLIP NEEDS TO HAPPEN NO MATTER WHAT.

THE CHILLED WATER LOOP ITSELF HAS TO BE LOOKED AT BECAUSE THE PIPES ON THE CHILLED WATER LOOP ARE QUESTIONABLE.

THERE'S SOME CORROSION WE'RE SEEING ON THOSE. AND THEN WE HAVE THE NEXT STEP IN THAT PROCESS OF OF A CHILLER PLANT IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SOURCE OF COOLING, WHICH IS COLD WATER, AND AN AIR HANDLER THAT TAKES THAT COLD WATER AND CHANGES THE TEMPERATURE IN THE ROOM.

SO THOSE THINGS WILL BE HIGH ON OUR LIST. AND I GIVE THE HVAC SYSTEM AN EIGHT OUT OF TEN IN COMPLEXITY.

THE PLUMBING SYSTEM IN THIS BUILDING. WE'VE POKED AROUND ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE PLACES WHERE THE CAST IRON PIPING IS SHOWING SIGNS OF DETERIORATION

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SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS ON AS A SILOED APPROACH TO FIXING THE RESTROOMS. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THINGS FLOOR BY FLOOR, BUT WING BY WING, IF YOU WILL DIVIDE THE BUILDING IN 4 TO 6 PARTS AND DECIDE HOW WE BEST FIX THOSE RESTROOMS IN A SILO FASHION. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROJECT, WE THINK IS ASBESTOS ABATEMENT. AND BY THE TIME WE, WE ABATE THE ASBESTOS IN THE RESTROOM, THOSE WALLS ARE NOT GOING TO BE INTACT. THE RESTROOMS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ON A SEPARATE CYCLE TO GET THEM ABATED.

PLUMBING FIXED, NEW FIXTURES HUNG, REOPENED. SO THOSE RESTROOMS BECOME A LITTLE MICRO PROJECT WITHIN THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE.

SO WE ALSO KNOW THAT, THAT THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH SOME OF THE WAISTLINES WHERE THERE'S A GREASE TRAP UP ON SEVEN THAT'S INADEQUATE.

THOSE THINGS ARE REALLY MINOR. DO IT EVERY DAY AND WE'LL GET ALL THOSE THINGS BUTTONED UP.

SO FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY IS THE NEXT ITEM ON THIS LIST.

AGAIN, I WAS SHOCKED WHEN I WALKED IN THIS BUILDING AND FOUND OUT THERE WERE NO AUTOMATIC SPRINKLERS ABOVE THE FIRST FLOOR IN THIS BUILDING.

AND THAT IS SHOCKING BECAUSE IN MY 50,000,000FT² OF BUILDINGS, I'VE NEVER DONE ONE WITHOUT AN AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEM.

NOW, WHY DID THEY DO THAT? BECAUSE THE CODE PERMITTED IT.

AND THE THE STANDPIPES IN THOSE STAIRWELLS WHERE FIREMEN COME IN TO FIGHT FIRES HAVE THE VALVES, BUT THE FIREMEN DON'T RELY ON THE HOSES THAT ARE IN THE BUILDING ANYMORE. THEY BRING THEIR OWN HOSES.

IT'S A PROBLEM. SO WE HAVE TO DO THINGS WITH THE AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEM TO GET IT UP TO PAR, AND THEN ALSO REDUCE THE RELIANCE UPON FIREFIGHTERS HAVING TO COME UP THE THE STAIRWELLS AND USE THE STANDPIPES THAT ARE IN THERE.

THERE'S A LIST OF THINGS I WON'T GO INTO RIGHT NOW, BUT THE DEFICIENCIES ON THE FIRE ALARM, THE FIRE DETECTION IT'S JUST IMPORTANT THAT WE TAKE THOSE INTO ACCOUNT AND GET THE RIGHT FIRE COMMAND CENTER IN ALL THE OPERATIONS TIED TO LIFE SAFETY. SMOKE CONTROL.

THIS BUILDING HAS AN ATRIUM IN IT. I THINK THEY CALL IT A GRAND HALL ON THIS ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS.

IT'S AN ATRIUM. THERE WAS NOT A SECTION IN THE BUILDING CODE THAT DEALT WITH ATRIUMS WHEN THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT.

SO SINCE THEN, CODES HAVE COME AROUND. WHAT WE DID FIND OUT THIS WEEK IS THAT THERE IS A DAMPER SYSTEM IN 30 FANS UP ON THE ROOF THAT PRODUCE ABOUT 28,000 CFM OF AIR MOVEMENT. THE SAD THING IS THAT BASED ON A BACK OF THE NAPKIN CALCULATION WE DID FOR THE VOLUME, THE CUBIC FEET IN THE ATRIUM IS CONNECTED IS ABOUT 1.6 8,000,000FT², AND IN ONE HOUR WE CAN HAVE ONE CHANGE OF AIR USING THAT 28,000 CFM. SO WE'VE GOT A DEFICIENCY ON THE EVACUATION SYSTEM FOR SMOKE THAT NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH.

THE CENTRAL PLANT AGAIN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT CHILLERS.

THE BOILERS ARE REPLACED THAT HEAT THE PERIMETER RADIANT HEAT SYSTEM IN THE BUILDING.

SO THAT'S NOT IN BAD SHAPE. BUT THE IN GENERAL TERMS THE CENTRAL PLANT IN THIS BUILDING NEEDS TO BE UPDATED.

AND THE DISTRIBUTION PIPING ASSOCIATED WITH ALL THOSE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT NEED TO BE UPDATED.

I'M GOING TO MOVE ON THEN TO THE DISRUPTION TOLERANCE THAT THAT EVERYONE HAS.

AND THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF LIFE SAFETY IS ASBESTOS ABATEMENT.

AND IT HAS TO BE DONE EARLY IN THE PROCESS SO EVERYONE GETS COMFORTABLE.

IT ALSO DOES NOT HAVE TO BE DONE ALL AT ONE TIME.

WE CAN COMPARTMENT THE BUILDING AND DO ASBESTOS ABATEMENT.

PEOPLE SAY. HAS THIS EVER BEEN DONE? HOSPITALS DO IT ALL THE TIME.

AND THE BARRIERS THAT ARE BUILT TO SECURE THE HOSPITAL DURING THE ABATEMENT PROCESS ARE VERY CREDIBLE.

AND WE DON'T THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM. ABATING ASBESTOS.

AND WHEN I MET WITH THE CITY MANAGER RECENTLY, WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW CRITICAL THIS ISSUE IS.

AND IT IS CRITICAL, BUT IT CAN BE DONE IN MULTIPLE PHASES.

IT DOES NOT REQUIRE YOU TO VACATE THE BUILDING ENTIRELY.

WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT. IT CAN BE OPERATED OR DONE WHILE WE'RE OCCUPYING.

BUT THE OPTION TO CLOSE THE BUILDING HAS BEEN DISCUSSED.

THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ENTERTAINING AT THIS MOMENT.

THEN TEMPORARY INFRASTRUCTURE IS ON THE LIST AND THAT IS ALL THE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO TO SEQUENCE CONSTRUCTION.

THIS BUILDING, THERE WILL BE AIR BARRIERS. THERE WILL BE ATTEMPTS TO CONTROL NOISE, BUT NOISE CONTROL IS GOING TO BE BASED ON AFTER HOURS WORK AND WEEKEND WORK FOR THE NOISY STUFF AND DURING BUSINESS HOURS, TRY TO CONTROL THAT DISRUPTION.

TEMPERATURE AND HUMIDITY CONTROL, ACCESS TO RESTROOMS, ALL THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THE PHASING.

WE'LL HAVE THAT FRONT AND CENTER IN OUR MINDS AS WE GO FORWARD.

AND THEN THE LAST ON THIS TEMPORARY INFRASTRUCTURE DISCUSSION IS HOW MUCH SWING SPACE DO WE NEED EITHER IN THIS BUILDING OR OUTSIDE THIS BUILDING?

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AND THEN OUR SCOPE DOES NOT INCLUDE NEW FURNITURE.

IT DOES NOT INCLUDE NEW LAYOUTS FOR OFFICE AND PRIVATE OFFICES.

THIS IS JUST TO GET THE BUILDING BACK TO ITS STATE OF REPAIR.

AND THE INTERIOR FINISH OUT WILL BE DONE IN PROBABLY THIRD ONE THIRD SECTIONS GOING VERTICALLY THROUGH THE BUILDING.

AND THEN LASTLY, THERE WAS A SEPARATE TOPIC FOR THE PLAZA WATERPROOFING, AND I'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE ROOF OF THE GARAGE IS THE PROBLEM.

IN ORDER TO WATERPROOF THE ROOF OF THE GARAGE, WE HAVE TO REMOVE THAT PAVING ON TOP.

WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING THAT IN THIRDS. DO A WESTERN THIRD, A CENTER THIRD, AN EASTERN THIRD.

BUT THE IDEA IS THAT WE CAN WATERPROOF THE THE ROOF OF THE GARAGE AND THE PLAZA CAN REMAIN OPEN BECAUSE THERE WERE SEVERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT GATHERING SPACE FOR PEOPLE. AND WE INTEND TO KEEP AT LEAST TWO THIRDS OF THAT PLAZA OPEN AT ALL TIMES DURING THE TIME WE'RE DOING THE PLAZA, A RETROFIT FOR THE ROOF, AND THEN ALSO RESTORING THAT ARCHITECTURAL CONCRETE AT TOP.

AND THEN LASTLY ON MY LIST, THE GARAGE REPAIRS.

AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT HOW BAD THIS GARAGE IS.

I HAVE DESIGNED OVER 40,000,000FT² OF PARKING STRUCTURES.

AND I CAN SHOW YOU PICTURES OF THINGS THAT WOULD MAKE THE HAIR ON THE BACK OF YOUR NECK STAND UP.

AND THE GARAGES DON'T FALL DOWN. THIS GARAGE HAS A LOT OF LITTLE COSMETIC PROBLEMS. THERE ARE SOME THAT NEED TO BE MAINTAINED AND ATTENDED TO, BUT OUR GOAL IS TO ALLOCATE THE RESOURCES PROPERLY TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR PRIORITIES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU DON. PLANNING AND COORDINATION.

IF YOU GO TO THE SLIDE THAT'S FEASIBILITY CHALLENGE AND CONSEQUENCES.

MUCH OF WHAT I TALK ABOUT TODAY IS A BYPRODUCT OF DON'S DESCRIPTION OF SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES AND SYSTEMS WITHIN THE BUILDING.

BUT THESE ARE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE ON A TEN YEAR PROGRAM.

ONE IS SIMPLY THE TEN YEAR PLAN THAT WE'RE SCHEDULED.

YOU KNOW, THE RESOLUTION IT'S CHARGED US WITH COMING UP WITH A TEN YEAR PLAN.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. I WILL SAY ONE OF THE DIFFICULTIES IS YOU REALLY LOOK AT THE ESCALATION IN THE INFLATION REQUIREMENTS ON A LOT OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING IN THIS BUILDING, ESPECIALLY ELECTRONICS, GIVEN ALL OF THE DATA CENTER ACTIVITY HERE. HE TALKED ABOUT LONG LEAD TIMES OF EQUIPMENT AND LABOR SHORTAGES ON THE, YOU KNOW, ON THE ON THAT SIDE AND JUST STAFFING A JOB FROM A GENERAL CONTRACTOR STANDPOINT ON A TEN YEAR BASIS.

BOTH OF THOSE ARE VERY OR WILL BE VERY EXPENSIVE.

HIDDEN CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN MENTIONED BEFORE.

THAT'S ALWAYS A THREAT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE AN OLDER BUILDING.

YOU PRY OFF A PANEL OR YOU DO SOMETHING ELSE, TAKE DOWN A WALL, TRY TO REDO THE BATHROOM.

AND IT'S KIND OF SCARY WHAT HAPPENS BEHIND THE WALLS.

OF ALL THESE PROJECTS THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON, THE, THROUGHOUT MY CAREER, THE COMPLICATED ONES, I'VE IT'S BEEN VERY RARE FOR THE COST TO END UP BEING THE SAME AS WE STARTED.

I MEAN, THINK ABOUT PEOPLE WHO REMODEL THEIR HOUSES, TAKE THREE BIDS AND ADD THEM ALL UP AND THAT'S YOUR NUMBER.

COSTS HAVE A TENDENCY TO RUN BECAUSE YOU SIMPLY CAN'T SEE A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH.

YOU'RE ALSO DEALING WITH SOME ISSUES OF CODE REQUIREMENTS.

DIFFERENT LEVELS OF EXPENDITURES WILL TRIGGER DIFFERENT CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUES.

AND SOMETIMES THOSE ARE DIFFICULT TO PREDICT BUT THEY ARE EXPENSIVE.

YOUR CODE REQUIREMENT, DON MENTIONED THIS. FIRE ALARMS, FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEMS, SPRINKLERS, SPRINKLERS, SMOKE EVACUATION. THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE EVALUATING IN OUR GROUP GOING FORWARD.

ONE OF THE BIG DIFFICULTIES IS WE DON'T HAVE GOOD CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY AS BUILT DOCUMENTS HERE TO SHOW WHERE A LOT OF THE SYSTEMS ARE.

AND THAT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT TO COME UP WITH, WITH REASONABLE NUMBERS.

AND IT. AND IT ALSO SHOWS WHY YOU'RE GOING TO RUN INTO HIDDEN CONDITIONS.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SENSITIVITY TO MAINTAINING BUILDING OPERATIONS.

THERE'S GOING TO BE NOISE AND WORKAROUNDS FOR YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING HERE.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE MAINTAIN 311911 EMERGENCY SERVICES.

THIS CHAMBER PROBABLY NEEDS SOME PRIORITY WORK TO KEEP IT OPERATIONAL.

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WHAT WE TAKE DOWN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT TEMPORARY ITEMS IN, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S AIR CONDITIONING OR ELECTRICITY TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE THE AREAS THAT WE'RE CONSTRUCTING IN. AND ONE THING THAT PEOPLE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT, BUT IT'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT ISSUE.

AND THAT'S THE TEXAS ACCESSIBILITY STANDARDS.

AND ADA THAT GENERAL RULE IS 20% OF THE COST OF THE WORK THAT YOU PERFORM HAS TO BE REDEDICATED INTO UPGRADING ANY ADA SYSTEMS THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR BUILDING THAT ARE NON-COMPLIANT.

$50 MILLION IS GOING TO TRIGGER $20 MILLION OF REQUIREMENTS FROM THE ADA PROGRAM.

ONE OF THE BIG PROBLEMS WITH ADA THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE BATHROOMS IS SOLVED BY SPENDING MONEY ON THAT.

BUT IT ALSO CAPTURES A DEFICIENT SYSTEM WITHIN THE BUILDING.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO INTO THE BATHROOMS ABATE THE ASBESTOS MATERIALS THAT ARE IN THERE, CHANGE THE DOORS, CHANGE THE SWING, CHANGE THIS.

I THINK THERE ARE 42 BATHROOMS OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, HERE.

BUT THAT'S ONE OF THOSE ITEMS THAT IS GOING TO BE A PROGRAM.

NOW, YOU DON'T NEED TO SPEND ALL OF THAT MONEY IF YOU'RE ABLE TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE AHEAD OF TIME.

AND HERE'S OUR. HERE IS OUR PROCESS SUMMARIZED.

YOU CAN MAKE THIS COMPLICATED OR RELATIVELY SIMPLE, AND I'M TRYING TO DO IT SIMPLE.

AND DON MENTIONED THIS A MINUTE AGO. OUR PROGRAM IS WE DETERMINE WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.

WE WANT TO IDENTIFY THOSE SOLUTIONS OUT OF THOSE SOLUTIONS.

WE DO. WE TRY TO EVALUATE THE BEST ALTERNATIVE.

AND THEN WE FOCUS SEQUENTIALLY ON HOW DO WE ACTUALLY DO THE WORK.

AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, AGAIN, IT COMES TO COST WHERE WE PROVIDE A PROBABLE COST ESTIMATE.

ALL OF THE COST ESTIMATES THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED FROM A E COM HAVE A BIG WIDE SWING ON ACCURACY.

ON A DOWNSIDE THEY IDENTIFIED, I THINK IS 30%.

AND THEN THE UPSIDE COST, I THINK IT'S 30 TO MAYBE EVEN 50%.

SO THERE'S A BIG SWING IN THEIR ESTIMATES, WE'RE GOING TO BE MAKING ESTIMATES EACH INDEPENDENTLY AND COMMUNICATING WITH EACH OTHER.

BUT BUT AGAIN, OURS ARE GOING TO HAVE A REASONABLE CONTINGENCY BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE VARIABLE ITEMS THAT I THAT I JUST MENTIONED TO YOU.

BUT AGAIN, COST IS IMPORTANT AND EXECUTION IS IMPORTANT.

AND OUR NEXT STEPS, WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE A PROGRAM WITH AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE NUMBER FOR A TEN YEAR PROCUREMENT AND IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. WE'RE GOING TO SHOW A PHASING PROGRAM.

WE'RE GOING TO ATTACH DOLLARS TO THOSE PHASES, AND WE'LL DISCUSS CONSTRUCTABILITY AND DELIVER A PRE-CONSTRUCTION REPORT THAT IDENTIFIES THE ACTIVITIES THAT WE'VE HAD. SO THAT SUMMARIZES OUR PROGRAM.

I HOPE YOU'VE LEARNED SOMETHING MAYBE MORE THAN YOU WANTED TO.

BUT THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION. ALL RIGHT.

MEMBERS, IT'S MY SORRY. GO AHEAD. WE'RE READY FOR QUESTIONS.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO, THOUGH, IS ALLOW EVERYONE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EAT LUNCH.

SO WE ARE GOING TO RECESS FOR ONE HOUR. OKAY.

RIGHT NOW EAT LUNCH, COME BACK, GO RIGHT INTO THE QUESTIONING, AND THEN GO INTO OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION AT THAT POINT.

SO THIS IS NOT EXECUTIVE SESSION. NOW IT'S JUST LUNCH.

AND THIS GIVES EVERYBODY ON THE PANEL AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET SOMETHING TO EAT TOO. AND FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE.

SO WE WILL COME BACK. LET'S CALL IT 2:00 PM. OKAY, 02:00, 2:00.

ALL RIGHT. I'M TOLD WE'RE GOOD TO GO. WE'RE OUR FEEDS BACK UP AND WE HAVE A QUORUM.

SO MADAM CITY MANAGER, TECHNICALLY, WE'RE IN THE BRIEFING PORTION HERE, SO I'LL.

ARE WE READY TO GO BACK? OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO START WITH QUESTIONS NOW FROM MEMBERS.

SO GUYS YOU KNOW IT'S OUR NORMAL 531 FORMAT AND GO AHEAD.

CHAIRMAN WEST, YOU RECOGNIZE FOR FIVE MINUTES WE'RE ON FOR THE PUBLIC. WE ARE ON BRIEFING OUR ONLY BRIEFING ITEM TODAY BRIEFING ITEM A LETTER A THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND THANK YOU TO THE. I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE WORK OF THE CITY MANAGER AND HER TEAM AND AND OUR CONSULTANTS FOR MEETING THE INTENT OF THE MARCH 4TH RESOLUTION THAT CAME FROM COUNCIL, OR AT LEAST PART OF IT, PART OF THE INTENT THAT, THAT WE HAD INSTRUCTED FOR THIS POINT FROM A HIGH LEVEL, I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENT

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AND THEN I WAS GOING TO GET INTO THE WEEDS ON WILL MENNINGER AND HIS GROUP.

SO HELP ME OUT HERE. YEAH. SO ULTIMATELY WE'VE BEEN TASKED WITH LOOKING AT THE A AECOM REPORT AND ASSOCIATED DOCUMENTS AND COMING BACK WITH A, YOU KNOW, UP TO TEN YEAR PHASED REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT PLAN AND TWO OPTIONS TO DO SO.

AND SO LOOKING AT ALL THE ELEMENTS CONSIDERED, WE'VE PROPOSED AT THIS POINT IN TIME, TWO HIGH LEVEL OPTIONS AND STRATEGIES TO DO THAT, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE AS JEN MENTIONED EARLIER, A BEST PRACTICE KIND OF CONSTRUCTION MOBILIZATION APPROACH.

SO COME IN, MINIMIZE REMOBILIZATION COSTS, KNOCK THOSE ELEMENTS OUT, AND THEN A PATH OF KIND OF LEAST DISTURBANCE TO OPERATIONS.

AND SO WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AS FAR AS MINIMIZING DISRUPTION TO CITY FUNCTIONS THAT YOU GUYS AND THE CITY DEEM AS MISSION CRITICAL TO REMAIN UNINHIBITED DURING THAT TEN YEAR PERIOD, BUT WE BASICALLY HAVE UP TO A TEN YEAR TIME PERIOD TO STRETCH THOSE OUT.

AS A PART OF OUR SCOPE, I THINK MAYBE JOHN COULD SPEAK MORE TO WMT COMPANIES SCOPE BEFORE JOHN SPEAKS.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER. SO AS IT RELATES TO THE DIRECTION AND HOW WE HAVE ENGAGED THE TEAM, IT WAS REALLY MAKING SURE THAT THE TEN YEAR REPAIR PROGRAM, WHICH IS WHAT COUNCIL REQUESTED AS PART OF THE MARCH 4TH RESOLUTION, THAT WE GAVE YOU A TEN YEAR PROGRAM, BUT REALLY GIVING YOU TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS WITHIN THAT TEN YEAR PERIOD.

SO IT WAS NOT THE DIRECTIVE WAS NOT TO SHOW HOW WE WOULD IMPLEMENT I THINK IT WAS A 3 TO 5 YEAR PROGRAM THAT WAS RECOMMENDED IN THE AS PART OF THE FACILITIES CONDITION ASSESSMENT BY AECOM, BUT IT WAS REALLY TRYING TO ADDRESS THE TEN YEAR REPAIR PROGRAM COMPONENT THAT COUNCIL ASKED US TO, TO PURSUE. SO THAT'S REALLY THE DIRECTION THAT'S BEEN GIVEN TO THIS TEAM.

SO WITHIN THAT TEN YEARS, TWO DIFFERENT APPROACHES.

OKAY. AND SO THEN W M2 FIDELIS AND STRUCTURE TONE THE SOUTHWEST, THOSE WOULD BE WHICHEVER THE TWO PLANS WE CHOSE, THEY WOULD BE DEALING WITH THE SUBCONTRACTORS PULLING TOGETHER THE BUDGET AND WALKING THROUGH LIKE THE, THE ROOM BY ROOM REDEVELOPMENT PHASE. IS THAT RIGHT? SO PART OF WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WITH THE WAY WE WERE ENGAGING GERSHOM SMITH AS WELL AS W M2, WAS TO ALSO HAVE A PEER REVIEW COMPONENT BASED ON WHAT GETS PRESCRIBED.

AT THAT POINT, THEY ARE NOT TASKED TO GO AND HIRE A TEAM OF ANYONE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO DO.

IF THAT'S THE DECISION THAT YOU WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD. WE WOULD THEN BEGIN TO LAY OUT A CONSTRUCTION PROGRAM, BRING IN CONSULTANTS AND DO THE HIRING. SO THAT IS NOT A PART OF THEIR SCOPE AT THIS POINT, BUT IT'S TO REALLY SHOW YOU THAT IF YOU WERE TO DO THIS PRIORITIZATION, USE THE PLANNING APPROACH THAT HAS BEEN DESCRIBED, WHAT THE COST PIECES WOULD BE, AND HOW YOU WOULD THEN SPREAD THAT OVER TEN YEARS BASED ON THAT LEVEL OF PRIORITIES.

BUT AT THIS POINT, THEY'RE NOT HIRING ANY CONTRACTORS TO GO AND PERFORM THE WORK.

SO IF COUNCIL CHOOSES, AFTER WE GET THE COSTS IN AND EVERYTHING, I GUESS IN JUNE TO TO CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ONE OF, YOU KNOW, THESE 210 YEAR PHASE OPTIONS, THEN WOULD WE MOST LIKELY WANT TO USE THESE CONTRACTORS TO OVERSEE AND DO CHECKS AND BALANCES ON WHOEVER ENDS UP BEING SELECTED BY THE RFP? WHAT WOULD THEIR ROLE BE AS WE GO THROUGH THE RENOVATION PROCESS OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS? AT THAT POINT, IT WOULD BE ANOTHER SCOPE THAT WOULD BE IDENTIFIED.

THEY ARE WORKING CURRENTLY UNDER A SCOPE THAT INCLUDES AN ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTIVE AROUND THE ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION AUTHORITY THAT CURRENTLY VESTS WITH THE CITY MANAGER.

SO ANYTHING ABOVE THAT MIGHT REQUIRE US TO GO THROUGH MORE OF A FULL BLOWN PROCUREMENT PROCESS.

IT COULD EITHER BE THIS TEAM OR IT COULD BE ANOTHER TEAM, BUT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DECIDED BASED ON OUR NORMAL PROCUREMENT PROCESS.

OKAY. AND THEN I SAW IN HERE JUNE 3RD SOMEWHERE THAT THEY WILL BE COMING BACK. IS THAT WHEN WE CAN ANTICIPATE HAVING PROPOSED BUDGETS FOR WHAT THE PHASES WOULD LOOK LIKE? THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. AND COUNCIL MEMBER WEST. SO THE VERY FIRST PHASE OF THIS, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED TODAY, WAS TO REALLY BRING YOU BACK THE PLANNING APPROACH TO LET YOU KNOW KIND OF THE WAY THAT THEY'RE THINKING THROUGH THIS, BASED ON THEIR EXPERTISE AND OTHER SIMILAR PROJECTS THAT THEY HAVE DONE, AND THEN GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO IN COMPLETELY DO MORE OF THE COST ANALYSIS,

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THE GOAL WOULD TRY TO BE TO GET THAT DONE BY JUNE THE 3RD, BUT THAT'S STILL KIND OF OUR TENTATIVE DATE.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO SEND YOU UPDATES, AS WE'VE DONE OVER THESE LAST FEW WEEKS, TO TELL YOU WHAT'S COMING, AND THEN GIVE YOU A MORE DEFINITE TIME FRAME.

WHEN WE KNOW THAT THIS TEAM IS READY TO COME BACK WITH THOSE COST NUMBERS.

DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT DID. AND NOW I SEE WHERE I GOT MY NOTES CROSSED ON THE 3 TO 5 YEARS.

WAS THE ORIGINAL FCA UNDER UNDER. THAT WAS UNDER.

YES. AND THEN OKAY, LOOKING AT SLIDE 29 IS WHERE I SEE THAT THAT GRESHAM SMITH HAS BROKEN DOWN YOUR BEST PRACTICE APPROACH VERSUS YOUR LEAST DISRUPTIVE APPROACH OVER TEN YEARS. OKAY. SO WE KIND OF AFTER THAT SLIDE ON SLIDE 29, WE JUMPED RIGHT INTO WILL AND HIS THREE CONTRACTOR OR, OR THREE GROUPS.

CAN YOU GIVE ME A HIGH LEVEL AGAIN? SORT OF LIKE HOW YOU SEE THE DIFFERENT, THE TWO DIFFERENT PRIORITIZATION OPTIONS.

SO HOW, HOW DO YOU SEE THE BEST PRACTICE DIFFERING FROM THE LEAST DISRUPTIVE, LIKE MAINLY FOR THE PUBLIC TO.

BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE LIKE THE KEY SLIDE IN, IN YOUR PART OF THIS.

YEAH. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECALL, ONE OF THE EXAMPLES THAT I USED WAS, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL ROAD CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT. AND, AND THAT'S THE EASIEST, I THINK FOR MOST ANYBODY TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE WE ALL SIT IN TRAFFIC AND WE ALL HAVE DISRUPTION RELATED TO WHETHER YOU'RE RIDING IN A BUS OR TAKING AN UBER OR WAYMO OR YOU'RE DRIVING A CERTAIN PATH TO YOUR HOME OR TO WORK THE THE DIFFERENCE IS FROM A BEST PRACTICE STANDPOINT WOULD BE TRY TO BUNDLE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

SO FROM A COST STANDPOINT, AND A NORMAL REAL ESTATE, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO GET THE, THE BIGGEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK AND COMPLETE AS MANY THINGS AS POSSIBLE IS MORE OF A BEST PRACTICE AND BEST PRACTICE AS IN FROM A REAL ESTATE CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT.

THE. THE OTHER IS THE MORE DISRUPTIVE AND. AND REALLY, IT'S ABOUT A MATTER OF EMPLOYEES HERE IN THE BUILDING AND THE SERVICES YOU PROVIDE AND TO WHAT LEVEL OF SENSITIVITY YOU ALL ARE GOING TO WANT.

FOR INSTANCE, I MEAN, THIS, THIS BUILDING AND STRUCTURE HAS A LOT OF CONCRETE IN IT.

AND SO IT PROBABLY DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO HAVE A REVERBERATION NOISE FACTOR WITH ANY, ALMOST ANY LEVEL OF CONSTRUCTION.

SO, YOU KNOW, GAUGING THE LEVEL OF DISRUPTION TO THE OCCUPANTS AND THE TENANTS.

AND THE SERVICES THAT YOU PROVIDE ARE, ARE KEY TO THAT APPROACH.

AND IT WOULD MEAN PROBABLY A LOT MORE STARTS AND STOPS OF CONSTRUCTION TO, TO ALLOW FOR THAT UNDER BOTH SCENARIOS, DO YOU ANTICIPATE PARTS OF THE CITY HAVING TO MOVE OUT, AT LEAST TEMPORARILY? I MEAN, IS THERE ANY SCENARIO WHERE WE DON'T WHERE NOBODY EVER MOVES OUT OF CITY HALL, BUT WE STILL RENOVATE IT? AGAIN, THERE'S THERE'S NO GUARANTEES AND WE'RE ANALYZING ALL OF THAT.

I MEAN, I THINK YOU ALL HAVE SOME DECISIONS IN REGARDS TO NINE ONE, ONE, THREE, ONE ONE AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING.

SO POTENTIALLY, ONCE YOUR PROJECT WERE PROCURED AND DESIGNED FULLY AND YOU, YOU WERE READY TO BEGIN.

AT THAT POINT, THERE MAY BE LESS OCCUPANTS IN THE BUILDING ALREADY.

AND YOU COULD POTENTIALLY USE THOSE SPACES AS SWING SPACE.

SO WE'D BE SHIFTING DEPARTMENTS AROUND INTO OTHER AREAS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE FUNCTIONAL, RIGHT? IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO RENOVATE IN PHASES, YOU'D HAVE TO DO SOME TYPE OF RELOCATION WITHIN THE BUILDING IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE CONTINUOUS MOVEMENT OF THE RENOVATION.

YEAH. AT MINIMUM IN THE BUILDING AND CRITICAL SYSTEMS, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT MAY COME UP AS A PART OF THE PROJECT, TAKE LONGER SPANS OF TIME WITH OVER OPEN CEILING AND RELATED.

AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE ANALYSIS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL DO AS A PART OF THIS.

BUT AS SOME OF THE WORK THAT I KNOW, THE OTHER CONTRACTOR I BELIEVE CBRE IS DOING AROUND REAL ESTATE IN SWING SPACE, IT IS BEST PRACTICE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF SWING SPACE TO MODIFY AN EXISTING FACILITY AND CONTINUE OPERATIONS IN THAT CAPACITY.

I GUESS I'LL ASK THAT SAME QUESTION TO THE OTHER TEAM, TOO.

I WANT TO ADD ONE THING TO THAT ANSWER. IN EITHER SCENARIO, WHEN IT COMES TO ANY PORTION OF THE WORK OR ANY PHASE THAT IS DISRUPTIVE TO HUMAN HEALTH AND TO THE BUILDING EMPLOYEES, THOSE AREAS WOULD REQUIRE TO BE VACATED FOR LIFE SAFETY CONCERNS.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE IS ASBESTOS BEING ABATED IN A PARTICULAR AREA OF THE BUILDING, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE VACATED.

SO AT ANY POINT IN TIME, WE WOULD BE MINDFUL OF THAT AND USING REGISTERED REMEDIATION AND CONTRACTORS TO

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AND I'LL MOVE ON TO THE OTHER TEAM HERE. I SEE THAT LIKE HVAC AND ELECTRICAL PLUMBING, THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO RENOVATE.

ARE THERE? CAN YOU RENOVATE PART OF THE BUILDING'S HVAC, OR WOULD THE ENTIRE HVAC FOR THE BUILDING GO DOWN WHILE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT RENOVATION PROCESS WITH THE COOLERS? WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF TRYING TO DETERMINE THAT RIGHT NOW.

BUT BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP SECTIONS OF THE BUILDING OPERATIONAL WHILE YOU TAKE DOWN PART OF IT, REMEDIATE IT AND FIX IT. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO NURSE THE REMAINDER OF IT ALONG REASONABLY WELL.

NOW, YOU ASK A QUESTION EARLIER, I THINK, WILL WE VACATE PARTS OF THE BUILDING IN OUR CURRENT PLAN THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH NOW? AND AGAIN, THIS IS SUBJECT TO, YOU KNOW, FURTHER REVIEW AS WE GET INTO THIS.

BUT WE DON'T BELIEVE WE CAN ACCOMPLISH OUR WORK WITHOUT VACATING REASONABLE CHUNKS OF THE BUILDING FOR VARIOUS TIMES, YOU KNOW, MONTHS OR YEARS. I MEAN, THE PLAN WE'RE PLAYING WITH NOW IS TO IS TO.

VACATE A PORTION OF THE BUILDING. AND THE BUILDING IS KIND OF THREADED IN SIX BAYS.

A SIXTH BAY IS A LITTLE SMALL, SO WE WOULD GUESS.

AND AGAIN, LET ME EMPHASIZE GUESS THAT WE WOULD TAKE A THIRD DOWN, WORK VERTICALLY UP AND DOWN AND VACATE THAT AND THEN PUT IT BACK IN OPERATION AND THEN MOVE TO THE NEXT PHASE.

AND THAT WOULD BE IN THE LEAST DISRUPTIVE APPROACH, RIGHT? BECAUSE IN THE, IN THE BEST PRACTICE APPROACH, WE'D PROBABLY VACATE THE BUILDING FOR A FEW YEARS.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'D BE THE LEAST DISRUPTIVE RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE DISRUPTIVE TO SOME DEGREE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

SURE. WE'RE FOCUSING ON JUST CONSTRUCTABILITY.

LIFE, SAFETY AND THE COMFORT OF THE EMPLOYEES IN THE BUILDING AND TRY TO MAXIMIZE THAT.

SO WE CAN'T SAY DEFINITIVELY THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO MOVE OUT AT LEAST FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, BUT IT'S MOST LIKELY FOR YOU TO GET THE WORK DONE.

IT WOULD NEED TO BE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. NOW, CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE LOUDER? YEAH. I'M SORRY. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET CLARITY ON BECAUSE WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE QUESTION OF WHETHER WE'D HAVE TO MOVE OUT TEMPORARILY AT ANY POINT, OR WHETHER WE COULD STAY HERE DURING THE REPAIRS. AND THAT WAS A BIG DISCUSSION DURING WHETHER WE WERE GOING TO PASS THE RESOLUTION OR NOT.

SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND FROM YOUR TEAM IF IF WE YOU KNOW, YOU DO BELIEVE THAT WE WILL HAVE TO MOVE OUT AT LEAST FOR A PERIOD OF MONTHS OR YEARS FROM CITY HALL. YEAH. AND AGAIN, WE'RE EARLY ON IN THE, IN THE PROCESS, AGAIN, THE PURPOSE OF TODAY'S MEETING WAS TO GIVE YOU AN ORIENTATION OF HOW WE'RE THINKING. SURE. AND GIVE YOU THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS, BUT WE'LL BE COMING UP WITH A MUCH MORE DEFINITIVE PLAN THAT'LL BE AVAILABLE ON THE THIRD, OR I GUESS, BEFORE THE THIRD. SURE. THANK YOU.

MAKE SURE I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE HERE. NOPE.

THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. CHAIRWOMAN STEWART RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MAYOR JOHNSON. I JUST WANT TO START BY SAYING I APPRECIATE THE DETAILED AND THOUGHTFUL APPROACH TO LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS FROM A AECOM AND THE OTHER CONSULTANTS.

YOU ALL ARE WELL AWARE OF ALL OF THE TALK AND CONVERSATION AND MAYBE A TAD BIT OF DRAMA IN THERE.

SO THIS HAS BEEN REFRESHING FOR ME. IN FACT, I'LL JUST PAUSE FOR A MINUTE AND SAY, I WAS TELLING MY STAFF AFTER LUNCH, MY ANXIETY LEVEL HAS ACTUALLY COME DOWN BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT YOU ALL HAVE PROVIDED, BECAUSE NOW WE'RE TALKING REAL LIFE SCENARIOS.

YOU'RE YOU'RE JUST GIVING US FACTS. AND THAT IS SO IMPORTANT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.

AND BECAUSE WHAT THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO IS TO EVALUATE THE FACTS AND FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR RESPONSE IS, WHETHER WE CAN AFFORD IT, WHETHER WE MOVE OUT ALL OF THE THINGS.

SO I HAVE MADE PAGES AND PAGES OF NOTES AS FAST AS I COULD.

RIGHT. AND I'M JUST VERY GRATEFUL FOR, FOR THAT INFORMATION.

BUT I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND THINGS I WANT TO JUST GO OVER.

FIRST OF ALL, I DO WANT TO THANK YOU ALSO FOR BRINGING IN SUBCONTRACTORS WHO'VE ALREADY WORKED IN THE BUILDING.

WHAT A WONDERFUL THOUGHT. BECAUSE THEY DO KNOW IT WELL, AND THEY CAN GIVE YOU INFORMATION THAT YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO GAIN JUST FROM LOOKING AT A SYSTEM BECAUSE THEY'VE WORKED ON THAT SYSTEM.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. AND I APPRECIATE THE, THE APPROACH TO THE PROJECT WHERE YOU SAID IT'S HOW YOU START OUT.

AND IF YOU START OUT WELL AND IT'S WELL THOUGHT OUT, THEN IT WILL SUCCEED AND YOU WON'T END UP WITH A LOT OF PROBLEMS ON THE, ALONG THE WAY. SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS REALLY JUMPED OUT AT ME.

ONE OF MY QUESTIONS BEFORE YOU ALL STARTED YOUR PRESENTATION WAS, WHAT DO YOU THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES IS?

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DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT ONE? SURE.

WELL, THE SEQUENCING OF THE CONSTRUCTION IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING FIGURED OUT.

AND UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT THE LIMITATIONS ARE ON BEING ABLE TO BARRICADE OFF PORTIONS OF THE BUILDING, IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO SAY WHAT THE BIGGEST HURDLE IS.

WE'RE GOING TO FACE, BUT I DO THINK THAT THE RESTROOMS AND THE ABATEMENT PROCESS THAT GOES ON IN THOSE IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE CRITICAL SUCCESS FACTORS.

BUT THEN THE OVERALL. EXCUSE ME, MR. MAYOR. CAN I SPEAK UP, PLEASE? YEAH. YOU HAVE TO GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO IT. YOU CAN PULL IT, YOU CAN PULL IT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP YELLING AT YOU UNTIL YOU.

SO THE THE ELECTRICAL DISTRIBUTION ALSO HAS SOME SERIOUS CHALLENGES, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME WAYS TO MITIGATE THE PATHWAYS.

I THINK CABLE PATHWAYS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES WE HAVE ONCE WE GET NEW SYSTEMS IN PLACE, BEING ABLE TO DISTRIBUTE POWER, TELEPHONE DATA, ALL THOSE THINGS THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING ARE GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGE.

SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO FIND ALTERNATIVE ROUTES FOR NEW CABLING TO BE RUN WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH AND CORE A BUNCH OF HOLES IN THE FLOORS OR TO, OR TO BORE HOLES THROUGH CONCRETE WALLS.

THAT'S NOT HIGH ON OUR LIST OF ADVANTAGEOUS THINGS TO DO SO, BUT THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES ARE, TO ME, DISTRIBUTION OF POWER AND THE DATA SYSTEMS THAT WE NEED TO GET THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING.

AND ALSO, JUST IN GENERAL TERMS, KEEP AN EYE ON THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP A PERCENTAGE OF THE CONSTRUCTION COST FOR.

TOSS UPGRADES AS WE GO, ALMOST LIKE ON A. A PHASE BY PHASE BASIS.

WE HAVE TO SETTLE UP WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS.

THEY ARE NOT FLEXIBLE. ON HAVING US CATCH UP.

THEY WANT US TO STAY AHEAD OF THE GAME ALL THE WAY.

SO AS YOU GO. YES. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S HELPFUL.

LET'S SEE HERE. SO ON THE GENERATORS AND I MADE NOTES ABOUT FAILURE OF THE GENERATORS AND WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN.

HOW LIKELY IS IT THAT OUR GENERATORS ARE CLOSE TO FAILURE.

LOOKING. I KNOW THIS IS A CRYSTAL BALL QUESTION.

PROBABLY, BUT. LET ME LET ME TAKE A SHOT AT THE GENERATORS.

THERE ARE FIVE GENERATORS IN THE BUILDING. TWO OF THEM REALLY AREN'T OPERATIONAL.

THEY'RE NOT. I THINK WE HAVE TWO THAT ARE FUNCTIONING AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A CREDIT TO THE ELECTRICIANS AND THE PEOPLE WITHIN THE CITY STAFF THAT KEEP THAT THING GOING.

IT'S BEEN ON THE CRITICAL REPLACEMENT LIST, I THINK, FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. THE ORIGINAL PRICE FOR THAT ELEVATOR WAS, I MEAN, FOR THE FOR THE GENERATOR WAS $6 MILLION.

ONCE THEY REALLY GOT INTO REPAIRING IT AND THE DIFFERENT CHANGES IN THE CODE UPGRADES AND HOW TO TAKE A NEW PIECE OF ELECTRICAL MACHINERY AND HAVE IT COMMUNICATE WITH OLD ELECTRICAL MACHINERY. THE NUMBER WENT TO $16 MILLION FROM 6 TO 16.

AND SO THE THE CHALLENGE IS HOW DO YOU COME IN? AND BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE WILL REALLY BE LOOKING AT IS REPLACING THOSE, THOSE GENERATORS. AND THE CHALLENGE IS YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE ONE OPERATIONAL OR MAYBE TWO OPERATIONAL WHILE YOU REPLACE THE OTHER TWO, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE BACKUP TO 911311 AND THE EMERGENCY CENTER.

OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. THAT DOES MAKE GOOD SENSE. SWITCHING GEARS TO IF WE COULD LOOK AT SLIDE, I THINK IT'S 22. IT'S THE, IT'S THE SLIDE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE PERCENT OF ACCURACY.

I THINK YOU ALL GAVE US THAT, BUT I DIDN'T WRITE IT DOWN AND I, AND I WOULD JUST LOVE IT IF YOU COULD WALK US BACK THROUGH THAT OR WALK US THROUGH THAT THOUGHT PROCESS OF THE ACCURACY. YEAH. SO THE PERCENT ACCURACY THAT WE'RE SHOWING ON SLIDE 22 COMES DIRECTLY OUT OF THE AECOM REPORT.

AND SO THEY PUT THAT THERE IS A PLUS MINUS WITHIN THAT REPORT AROUND, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY DOING THE PROGRAM WITHOUT A DESIGN, RIGHT. THEY'RE GOING FOR LIKE OR LIKE, AND SO THEY PUT A CONTINGENCY NUMBER IN THERE. SO WE'RE JUST REPRESENTING THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME UNTIL WE CAN GO FURTHER ON OUR PHASING PROGRAM AND UNDERSTAND WHAT AN APPROPRIATE CONTINGENCY IS TO PUT THERE.

OKAY. SO THAT'S THEIR ESTIMATE OF THE ACCURACY.

AND YOU ALL HAVE NOT LOOKED INTO THAT YET, BUT IN FLIGHT? YEAH. IN FLIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. JUST I GUESS.

AND THEN THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE ABOUT TECHNOLOGY AND WHETHER A BUILDING COULD BE SALVAGED BASED ON WHETHER OR NOT THE TECHNOLOGY UPGRADES COULD BE MADE.

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STEWART. SO THE TECHNOLOGY UPGRADES IS NOT A PART OF THE SCOPE THAT WE'VE ASSIGNED TO THESE. THIS STRICTLY IS FOR THE REPAIRS AND REPLACEMENT PROGRAM THAT'S IN THE RESOLUTION.

SO IT LOOKS SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THOUGH IT COULD BE A CRITICAL DECISION MAKING ELEMENT, SO I.

YES, ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE. BUT WE MIGHT NEED TO HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY PIECE OF IT.

SO ON THE PHASE TWO PORTION. YES, MA'AM. THE PHASE TWO PORTION WILL LAY OUT WHAT EACH OF OUR CONSULTANTS DEEM AS THE APPROPRIATE COST.

AND THEN THE OTHER ITEMS, IF YOU'LL RECALL FROM WHEN THIS ORIGINALLY CAME FOR TECHNOLOGY, SOME OTHER COMPONENTS THAT WERE LISTED SWING SPACE.

WE'LL BE HAVING THOSE CALCULATED BY CBRE TO HELP US TO EQUALIZE THEM OUT SO THAT YOU CAN SEE A TOTAL COST.

OKAY, OKAY, THAT SOUNDS GOOD. I THINK THAT'S ALL OF MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW.

YES, I THINK THAT'S IT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

CHAIRMAN GRACEY, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MOST OF MY QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO COME FROM SLIDE 40.

THIS WAS A REALLY GOOD PRESENTATION TOO. AND LIKE MY COLLEAGUE MISS STEWART, I FEEL BETTER ABOUT THIS.

AND AGAIN, WITH EVERYTHING THAT WAS BOUNCING AROUND, THIS KIND OF PUT SOME THINGS INTO PERSPECTIVE.

SO THANK YOU FOR HOW THIS WAS ORGANIZED AND ESPECIALLY THIS SLIDE HERE ON THAT.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO KIND OF ASK YOU ABOUT SOME OF THESE TO GO INTO A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL.

AND I THINK YOU MENTIONED IT SOMEWHERE ON HERE.

AND IF NOT, YOU MENTIONED KIND OF THE ASBESTOS, BUT THE, THE ENVIRONMENTAL REMEDIATION.

TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I THOUGHT I HEARD TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. I THOUGHT I HEARD, WELL, IN SOME CASES, LIKE THEY DO IT IN HOSPITALS WHERE THEY CAN CLOSE IT OFF.

AND IN OTHER CASES, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T. BUT I THOUGHT CHAIR WEST JUST ASKED AND THEY SAID THAT WE WOULD BE ANYWAY.

EXPLAIN THAT ONE. THE LEVEL. AND ONE THING YOU DID WITH THAT IS YOU KIND OF RANKED THEM FROM BETWEEN 1 AND 10 AND ALL OF THAT.

BUT BUT WILL YOU DO THAT WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL PIECE? BUT THEN TALK ABOUT WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM A REMEDIATION.

YOU KNOW, THE ASBESTOS IS ALL ABOUT AIR BARRIERS BETWEEN ZONES IN THE BUILDING WHERE YOU HAVE POSITIVE PRESSURE IN THE REST OF THE BALANCE OF THE BUILDING, NOT UNDER CONSTRUCTION, AND NEGATIVE PRESSURE IN THAT PART THAT'S BEING ABATED SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CHANCE THAT THAT ASBESTOS FIBER IS GOING TO ESCAPE THE ZONE IN WHICH IT'S BEING REMOVED. SO IT'S ABOUT A SYSTEM OF WALLS, MOVABLE WALLS THAT I, THE STRUCTURE TONE FOLKS HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE DEALING WITH THIS IN HOSPITALS. AND IT, IT CONVINCED ME WHEN, WHEN WE MET WITH THE CITY MANAGER RECENTLY.

AT THAT MOMENT, I SAID, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO THIS WITHOUT VACATING THE BUILDING.

AFTER GETTING A MORE IN DEPTH UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IN MEDICAL PROJECTS, IT CONVINCED ME IT CAN BE DONE AND IT'S ABOUT CONTROLLING THE POSITIVE PRESSURE OUTSIDE THE ZONE, NEGATIVE PRESSURE INSIDE THE ZONE, AND THEN ALL THOSE SPEED TRAPS THAT YOU HAVE TO BASICALLY BUILD TO GET PEOPLE SAFELY FROM THE UNDISTURBED AREA INTO THAT ASBESTOS LADEN AREA.

YEAH, I THINK THE ONLY PIECE I'D ADD COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, TO DON'S POINT, IT'S REALLY ABOUT THERE CAN BE PARTS OF THE FACILITY OCCUPIED.

WELL, ASBESTOS ABATEMENT IS TAKING PLACE IN ANOTHER PART OF THE FACILITY.

EXAMPLE OF THIS IS WE COMPLETED RENOVATIONS OF THE L.A.

COUNTY BOARD HEARING ROOM. SO A COUNCIL CHAMBER SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN THIS ONE, AND HAD TO PHASE THE ASBESTOS ABATEMENT OVER A PERIOD OF TIME IN BETWEEN COUNCIL MEETINGS.

SO FUNCTIONS COULD TAKE PLACE. BUT THERE WERE PERIODS OF TIME WHERE WE HAD TO VACATE THE AREA.

AND THEN TO DON'S POINT, MAKE SURE YOU COULD BE IN AND OUT OF SPACES.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I'M GOING TO STOP RIGHT THERE BECAUSE I KNOW WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE TIME TO TALK ABOUT THIS LATER.

SO I'LL STOP THERE BECAUSE I CAN APPRECIATE ALL OF THAT.

BUT I DO HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, BUT I DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME ON THAT PIECE.

NEXT IS THE HVAC, I THINK IS WHAT IT WAS BASED ON THE REPORTS YOU'VE SEEN, HOW EXTENSIVE IS THE HVAC WORK REQUIREMENT? AND AGAIN, FROM A SCALE OF, I THINK YOU SAID SCALE OF 1 TO 10, IT WAS PROBABLY AN EIGHT OR SOMETHING.

ONE OF THOSE WAS. BUT I DON'T REMEMBER. YEAH, IT WAS, IT WAS HVAC, WASN'T IT? YEAH. SO AND THEN IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY TO CAN ANY OF THAT EQUIPMENT BE USED OR WOULD IT ALL NEED TO BE REPLACED? THERE ARE TWO ISSUES WITH HVAC EQUIPMENT.

ONE IS DO YOU HAVE THE PROPER EFFICIENCY AND REFRIGERANTS BEING USED IN ALL THOSE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT? ONCE WE GET THOSE SWAPS MADE AND WE'VE GOT THE RIGHT PIECES OF EQUIPMENT.

HOW DO WE CONTROL THEM? AND WE'VE GOT TO GET PAST PNEUMATIC CONTROLS AND USE DIRECT DIGITAL CONTROLS.

THAT'S HOW YOU'RE GOING TO BASICALLY SMOOTH OUT THE BUMPS IN THE ROAD FOR HUMIDITY AND TEMPERATURE CONTROL IS BY HAVING AN UPGRADED CONTROL SYSTEM.

AND THOSE THINGS GO HAND IN HAND. YOU CAN HAVE A CADILLAC AIR HANDLING UNIT, BUT IF IT DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT CONTROLLERS FOR TEMPERATURE AND

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SO THE HVAC IS EQUIPMENT. IT'S DISTRIBUTION EITHER AIR OR WATER TO WATER DISTRIBUTED TO AIR HANDLERS THAT ARE DOWNSTREAM.

BUT THERE'S A NOTION THAT SOMEHOW IT'S NOT ONE SIZE FITS ALL.

IT'S A SYSTEMATIC APPROACH TO THE HVAC. AND AIR DISTRIBUTION BECOMES ONE OF THE BIGGEST HURDLES WHEN WE GET DOWN THE ROAD TO THE ACTUAL OCCUPIED SPACES, IF YOU WILL, WHERE PEOPLE WORK.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS EXPLORING SOME ALTERNATE DISTRIBUTION METHODS THAT WILL RELIEVE THE NEED FOR US TO BE IN THAT PLENUM BELOW THE CONCRETE SLABS BETWEEN THE CONCRETE SLABS. WE JUST THINK THAT'S THAT'S NOT A VERY EFFECTIVE WAY TO DISTRIBUTE AIR.

SO WE'D LIKE TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES THERE. OKAY.

OKAY. PERFECT. AND THEN JUST QUICKLY TO ADD TO WHAT DON SAID, THAT HAS BEEN THE BIGGEST PART OF OUR CONVERSATIONS IN OUR TEAM IS ABOUT THE HORIZONTAL DISTRIBUTION TO GET TO THE ACTUAL EMPLOYEES AND THE USERS ON THE FLOOR, NOT SO MUCH THE LARGE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT ARE PRIMARILY IN THE MAINTENANCE, THE PENTHOUSE. I UNDERSTAND THOSE CAN BE EASILY REPLACED.

BUT IT'S THE DISTRIBUTION. IT'S GETTING IT DOWN TO THE FLOORS AND THEN SPECIFICALLY OUT TO WHERE THE OFFICE OCCUPANTS ARE.

THAT'S THE HARDEST PART HERE. AND THAT'S FROM AN ELECTRICAL AS WELL AS MECHANICAL.

OKAY. YOU DIDN'T CATCH MY JOKE. THAT WAS FUNNY TO ME. ANOTHER FUN FACT AS IT RELATES TO HVAC IS THE CONTROL SYSTEMS THAT YOU HAVE ESSENTIALLY OPERATE THE AIR HANDLING UNITS. YOU HAVE 32 AIR HANDLING UNITS IN THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW.

I THINK THEY CHANGED OUT THE COILS AND THE FANS OF 7 OR 8 OF THEM, BUT THEY'RE THE ORIGINAL AIR HANDLING UNITS IN THE BUILDING.

AND AGAIN, IF YOU'VE GOT REALLY GOOD CONTROLS, BUT YOU'VE GOT ANCIENT AIR HANDLING UNITS THAT DON'T RESPOND, THEN YOUR CONTROLS ARE NO GOOD. SO IT'S AN ENTIRELY SYSTEMATIC REPORT FROM BEGINNING TO END.

AND IT'S A KEY ELEMENT IN THE BUILDING. SO THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT FACTORS.

SO AGAIN WHEN WE'RE HERE, YOU KNOW, HVAC COSTS ARE THIS, THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT LAYERS TO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT AN HVAC IS, IS IT'S NOT JUST THE SYSTEM, IT'S THE FLOW OF IT IN, INTO AND AROUND THE BUILDING, HOW IT GETS FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER, AND HOW THE AND THE, AND THE OTHER PIECES THAT HELP DISTRIBUTE IT.

I GOT IT. OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU FOR THAT UNDERSTANDING.

SO AGAIN, A LOT MORE COMPLICATED THAN JUST AN AIR CONDITIONED SYSTEM.

PARKING GARAGE. I, I SAW THAT ONE ON HERE, THE GARAGE REPAIRS, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? SO WHERE WOULD EMPLOYEES PARK FROM A, FROM A IF THERE AND AGAIN, I KNOW WE'RE GOING IN.

WE DON'T KNOW. SOME OF THIS SAID IS SOME LEAKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT CAN BE SOME SIMPLE SOLUTIONS.

BUT IF WE DIG IN, DISCOVER THAT THERE'S MAJOR REPAIRS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN, WHAT IS THE PLAN OR WHAT WOULD BE THE PLAN FOR PARKING IN THE PARKING GARAGE? URBAN STRUCTURES REVIEWED THE GARAGE. THEY ARE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS WHO CAME IN TO LOOK SPECIFICALLY FOR PLACES WHERE PROSPECTIVE FAILURES WOULD OCCUR.

EVERYTHING THAT WE SAW WAS SUPERFICIAL. I MEAN, WE SAY HOW.

WHAT DOES SUPERFICIAL MEAN? THE REINFORCING BARS ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN INCH AND A HALF OF CONCRETE COVER ON THEM.

THEY SHOULD. THE BAR SHOULD NEVER BE CLOSER THAN AN INCH AND A HALF TO THE EDGE OF THE CONCRETE.

WE SAW LOTS OF INSTANCES WHERE THIS SPALLING WAS OCCURRING, WHERE THE REINFORCING BARS WERE LESS THAN AN INCH OFF THE FACE OF THE CONCRETE.

THAT'S JUST CONSTRUCTION. WE KNOW WE HAVE A SAFETY FACTOR OF THREE ON A CONCRETE FRAME BUILDING.

WE ONLY USE ONE THIRD OF THE YIELD STRENGTH OF THE CONCRETE.

IF WE WERE BUILDING AN AIRPLANE, WE'D BUILD. WE'D USE 100% EFFICIENCY.

BUT IN BUILDINGS IT'S JUST NOT PRACTICAL. SO WE KNOW THAT HUMAN FACTORS ARE GOING TO COME INTO PLAY.

REBAR GETS MISPOSITIONED RELATIVE TO THE EDGE OF THE FORMWORK.

WHAT HAPPENS IS IF YOU HAVE A CRACK IN THE CONCRETE THAT RESULTS FROM ANY NUMBER OF THINGS, IT COULD BE THERMAL PROBLEMS. IT COULD BE A HAIRLINE CRACK THAT GETS WATER IN IT.

I DON'T. I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW IF THIS GARAGE HAS EVER GOTTEN COLD ENOUGH FOR THE WATER TO FREEZE IN THE GARAGE.

NORMALLY THEY DON'T GET THAT COLD. THEY STAY ABOVE FREEZING.

SO I'M WORRIED ABOUT THIS IDEA THAT IT'S FREEZE THAW STUFF THAT'S CAUSING IT.

THAT WOULD BE HIGHLY UNLIKELY, ESPECIALLY WITH THAT OVERBURDEN OF 5 TO 6FT OF SOIL OVER THE BULK OF THE OF THE GARAGE.

SO IT'S ABOUT WORKMANSHIP THAT'S CAUSED THOSE SPALLING PROBLEMS ON THOSE CORNERS.

AND THEY SHOW UP AT THE EXPANSION JOINTS. THEY SHOW UP ANYWHERE THERE'S AN OUTSIDE CORNER.

I MEAN, REALISTICALLY, IT'S NOT JUST THAT THE EXPANSION JOINTS ON A BUILDING THAT'S 560FT LONG,

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THERE'S ABOUT A 300 FOOT LIMIT FOR ANY CONCRETE FRAME BUILDING BEFORE YOU HAVE TO PUT AN EXPANSION JOINT IN.

AND THEN WHEN YOU GO OUT INTO THE PLAZA WHERE WE'VE GOT THE PARKING GARAGE NEXT DOOR, THEY ACTUALLY ADDED ADDITIONAL EXPANSION JOINTS IN THE GARAGE AND THE.

AND THEN IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION. THIS BUILDING, THAT GARAGE WAS BUILT FIRST, AND THEN THEY STARTED WORKING ON THE FOUNDATION FOR THE TOWER. BUT SOME OF THIS IS JUST A FUNCTION OF WHEN THEY WERE SEQUENCED AND CONSTRUCTION, AND HOW THE JOINTS CAME TOGETHER AT THE EXPANSION JOINT, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT CAST SIMULTANEOUSLY. YOU'LL YOU'LL FRAME ONE SIDE OF THAT JOINT AND THEN COME BACK AND FRAME THE OTHER.

BUT EVERYTHING THAT I'VE SEEN IN THE GARAGE IS SUPERFICIAL AND I CAN I CAN SEE SOMEBODY COMING ALONG SAYING, WE WANT TO REPAIR THAT REBAR, OR WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT REBAR IS NOT RUSTING.

AND WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO CONTROL THE RUST ON IT AND THEN PATCH THE CONCRETE.

BUT I TALKED A LOT ABOUT SEALERS ON CONCRETE AND WHAT THEY DO TO KEEP WATER OUT.

RIGHT. WELL, IF YOU SEAL A CRACKED SURFACE, A SPALLED AREA, YOU'LL NEVER GET THE CONCRETE PATCH TO STICK AGAIN IF THERE'S SEALER THERE.

SO SOME OF THIS JUST COMES DOWN TO WORKMANSHIP AND KNOWING HOW THE REPAIR SHOULD BE MADE.

BUT I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THE THE BIGGEST DISPROPORTIONATE OPINION ON OUR TEAM IS WHAT IS BEING ALLOCATED RIGHT NOW FOR SOME OF THOSE GARAGE REPAIRS.

THAT'S THAT'S A LOT OF WORK THAT I JUST WE JUST CAN'T CONVINCE OURSELVES IT'S GOING TO BE THAT BIG A PROBLEM, HONESTLY. YEAH. AND COUNCIL MEMBER TO YOUR QUESTION AROUND IMPACT TO EMPLOYEES, OBVIOUSLY, DON, I THINK ELOQUENTLY WALKED THROUGH THE STRUCTURAL SAFETY COMPONENT.

IF WE TALK ABOUT PHASED RENOVATION OF THE FACILITY, POTENTIAL RELOCATION, OTHERWISE PART OF OUR STUDY WILL LOOK AT AS A PART OF THOSE REPAIRS, WHAT PORTION OF THE GARAGE WOULD BE UNAVAILABLE DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME? AND HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD WE NEED? SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD BE NEEDED ELSEWHERE, AND WE'D WORK WITH MISTER JOHNSON AND CBRE TO PRICE THAT FOR YOU GUYS.

AS A PART OF THE SWING SPACE CALCULATION, IT'S VERY COMMON.

WHEN WE DID FORT WORTH CITY HALLS, PARKING GARAGE EXPANSION, WE WERE ABLE TO PHASE IT WHERE PORTIONS OF THE GARAGE REMAINED OPEN THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROGRAM, AND WE BUILT OUT SWING SPACE ADJACENT TO THE FACILITY, WORKED ON SELF TRANSIT OPTIONS, ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL WORK WITH CBRE ON AS PART OF THIS PROGRAM. OKAY. IF I MAY, MR. MAYOR AND I WANTED TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THAT.

SO. COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY, WE HAVE WE HAVE BEEN DOING A WHOLE PARKING ANALYSIS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE CITY EMPLOYEES THAT WORK IN THIS BUILDING THAT DO NOT PARK INSIDE THIS BUILDING.

THEY ARE NOT IN THE GARAGE. SO THERE'S A COMPLETE PARKING ANALYSIS THAT WE'RE DOING, PERIOD, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SITUATIONS WHERE THERE ARE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE HAVING TO PARK AT SOME OF THE SURFACE LOTS OR PARKING BLOCKS AWAY.

SO WE'RE DOING THAT NOW AS PART OF OUR ANALYSIS.

SO IF THERE IS A TEMPORARY PARKING SOLUTION OR SOMETHING THAT'S NEEDED, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ROBUST BECAUSE WE DO HAVE EMPLOYEES ALREADY THAT ARE ON LIKE WHAT I'LL CALL A WAITING LIST TO EVEN BE ABLE TO MOVE AND PARK INSIDE OF CITY HALL AT THIS TIME.

SO AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THAT PARKING ANALYSIS WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO SHARE WITH YOU AND GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ABOUT IT.

THAT WAY YOU HAVE A FULL PICTURE OF THE COMPLETE PARKING SITUATION, AND THERE WILL NEED TO BE A SOLUTION OVERALL FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, EVEN IN THE PARKING FOR ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES.

SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT'S COMING. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARITY. APPRECIATE IT. AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE, DON, IS YOU SAID THIS AND I DIDN'T CATCH IT. AND I'M HOPING YOU CAN REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS.

AND I TRIED TO CATCH IT DOWN, BUT IT WAS AROUND THE MODERNIZATION AND WHAT MAKES A BUILDING FAIL.

AND YOU SAID IT'S ABILITY OR LACK THEREOF, TO MODERNIZE.

CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE THAT'S FOR ME PERSONALLY, THAT'S BEEN MY BIGGEST ISSUE.

WE CAN ARGUE ABOUT THE COST OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.

AND SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 329 AND 5, WE'LL FIND A NUMBER.

BUT THE MODERNIZATION IS THE DEBATABLE PIECE.

SO TALK ABOUT THAT STATEMENT YOU SAID ABOUT WHAT MAKES A BUILDING FAIL IS ITS LACK OF ABILITY TO MODERNIZE.

CAN YOU JUST. FUNCTIONAL. FUNCTIONAL OBSOLESCENCE IS A TERM THAT I USE FOR BUILDINGS THAT JUST GET OLD.

AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADAPT TO CHANGE.

AND SO FOR EXAMPLE, FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. NINE FOOT CEILING HEIGHTS WERE THE STANDARD IN OFFICE BUILDINGS AND IN MOST OF THE UNITED STATES.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WHAT WE FOUND WAS WE HAD PLENUM SPACE ABOVE THAT DROPPED CEILING THAT HAD SOME FLEXIBILITY TO 2.5FT OF FLEXIBLE SPACE WHERE DUCTWORK IS LOCATED OVERHEAD AND YOU HAVE SPRINKLER LINES RUN UP THERE, YOU'VE GOT ALL KINDS OF POTENTIAL CONDUIT FOR DIFFERENT SYSTEMS UP THERE.

BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT AT SOME POINT, YOU DON'T HAVE THE PATHWAYS TO GET CABLES FROM A POINT OF ORIGINATION ON A FLOOR TO THE PERIMETER TO THE EXTREMITIES, AND THAT THAT LIMITED CLEARANCE THAT YOU HAVE IN THAT PLENUM SPACE HAS CAUSED A LOT OF BUILDINGS TO LOSE THEIR

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SO IN A BUILDING LIKE THIS ONE WHERE YOU HAVE TWO STRUCTURAL SLABS ON THE TYPICAL FLOORS, YOU'VE GOT THE WAFFLE SLAB, AND THEN THERE'S A SPACE THAT'S BUILT ON A CURB, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER CONCRETE SLAB ON TOP OF THAT THAT'S HIGHLY UNUSUAL.

AND THAT EATS UP A LOT OF PLENUM SPACE FOR THE BENEFIT IN TERMS OF POWER, TELEPHONE AND DATA DISTRIBUTION.

SO ALL I WOULD SAY AT THIS POINT IS THIS BUILDING THAT'S IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FUNCTIONALLY OBSOLETE BECAUSE OF THAT DUAL CONCRETE SLAB.

BUT I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO GIVE OURSELVES LICENSE TO START THINKING ABOUT WAYS TO USE THAT PLENUM THAT HAS BEEN USED BY, FOR AIR SUPPLY TODAY THAT MAY BE USED FOR AIR RETURN IN THE FUTURE.

AND WE'VE JUST GOT SOME IDEAS THAT WE WANT TO RUN TO THE GROUND AND DETERMINE WHETHER THEY'RE FUNCTIONALLY SATISFACTORY TO THIS GROUP.

BUT I DO THINK WE COULD MAKE A TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCE IN THE UTILITY OF THIS BUILDING IF WE FLIPPED THE AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION. AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS PRESENTATION AND HOW IT WAS LAID OUT FROM THERE.

THIS SLIDE IS REALLY BRINGS IT HOME FOR ME IN TERMS OF I KNOW THERE'S NO DOLLARS INTO IT AND THOSE WILL COME LATER, BUT THIS REALLY DOES IN TERMS OF KNOWING WHAT DOES WHAT COULD A PLAN LOOK LIKE? WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? THIS ALSO PUTS THE KIND OF THE WEIGHT ON EACH ONE OF THEM, THE IMPACT THAT WE TRULY NEED TO CONSIDER.

SO AGAIN, THANK YOU. THIS IS MY FAVORITE SLIDE ON THIS PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MISS BLACKMON RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. AND I TOO WANT TO ECHO WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID.

THANK YOU FOR THIS VERY DETAILED INFORMATION AND VERY THOUGHTFUL.

AND NOW I UNDERSTAND THE APPROACH AND WHERE WE'RE HEADED.

SO IT GIVES COMFORT TO WHEREVER WE LAND. SO I DO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU ON 18.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT MAXIMIZE THE USE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, THAT MAXIMIZES A VERY INTERESTING WORD IN PUBLIC SECTOR.

DOES THAT. SO IS IT REALLY THE SPECTRUM? SO IT COULD BE THAT WE MAY CHANGE A SYSTEM IN ORDER TO PAY A LITTLE BIT NOW, BUT MAYBE GET A WHOLE NEW SYSTEM, LIKE YOU MENTIONED.

I MEAN, SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YOUR DEFINITION OF MAXIMIZE.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY JUST LOOKING AT A FLAT NUMBER.

CORRECT? CORRECT. YEAH. I THINK WHEN, WHEN WE CONSIDER THE USE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS, YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO CONSIDER THE ALTERNATIVE CHOICES THAT YOU HAVE TO SPEND THAT MONEY AND WHAT THE UTILITY IS FOR YOU TO GET THE RETURN ON IT.

AND SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT SCENARIOS IN THIS PROJECT, THERE ARE GOING TO BE WAYS TO SPEND THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY.

AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE BEST PRACTICE APPROACH VERSUS LEAST INVASIVE WITH THE LEAST INVASIVE.

IT MAY MINIMIZE THE DISRUPTION TO OPERATIONS TO CITY FUNCTIONS, BUT IT MAY INCREASE YOUR COST BECAUSE OF REPEATED MOBILIZATIONS AND OTHERWISE.

IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO LOOK AT THAT HOLISTICALLY AND IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE WITH THE WORK BEING DONE BY CBRE TO SAY, OKAY, WHAT IS OUR COST OF RELOCATING THESE FOLKS AND THEN WORKING WITH, WITH Y'ALL AND CITY STAFF ON WHAT THE FUNCTIONAL IMPACT IS AND DOING A TRUE, YOU KNOW, ANALYSIS OF WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR THE CITY AND WHAT THAT MEANS AS FAR AS A COST BASIS FOR YOU.

SO HOLISTICALLY WOULD BE THE WAY WE WOULD APPROACH THAT. SO THERE WOULD BE A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS. CORRECT. YES. THOUGHT INTO THAT AND BACK TO THE MOBILIZATION.

I DO THINK THAT CITY WE DO HAVE A LOT OF REAL ESTATE IN OUR PORTFOLIO THAT MAYBE WE COULD USE THAT VERSUS GOING AND LEASING AND HAVING, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU COULD, THIS IS WHERE YOU BASICALLY SET UP AND THE GROUP COMES HERE NOW, OR REPORTS FROM HOME OR WHATEVER ANOTHER OPTION IS.

BUT INSTEAD OF RENTING AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THAT THAT COULD, I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT IS A SOUND APPROACH JUST TO AUTOMATICALLY GO THERE.

YEAH. AND I WOULD SAY AS A PART OF OUR STUDY, WE WOULD IDENTIFY AREAS AND GROUPS THAT NEED TO BE RELOCATED FOR A PORTION OF TIME.

AND THEN I BELIEVE IT'D BE WITH MISTER JOHNSON AND TEAM ON KIND OF WHERE THEY GO AND WHAT OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE THERE. SO HYPOTHETICALLY, LET'S SAY THEY COME UP WITH 50,000FT² OF SWING SPACE THAT'S NEEDED. WELL, WE WOULD AUTOMATICALLY LOOK AT OUR PORTFOLIO FIRST TO SEE IF SOMETHING WOULD FIT THAT.

OKAY. I AM NOT AWARE OF SOMETHING AT THIS POINT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE MAY HAVE IT. AND THEN THERE MAY BE COSTS TO BUILD IT OUT TO GET IT UP TO SPEED, BUT THAT WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY CHECK BEFORE WE WOULD LEAVE SOMETHING GOOD.

AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE ACKNOWLEDGING THE BUILDING'S HISTORICAL HIGHLIGHTS.

I MEAN, THAT'S REASSURING THAT YOU ARE UNDERSTANDING WHAT THIS MEANS.

NOW MOVING ON TO SLIDE 22. YOU OKAY, SO THE A C E CLASS 4 TO 5, IS THAT THE STANDARD IN WHICH THEY USE TO ANALYZE. IT'S A STANDARD FIVE I THINK IS YES.

OKAY. AND IT'S SO YOU'RE TAKING THAT INFORMATION AND REFINING IT.

SO SO WE ARE TAKING THE SPECIFIED AMOUNTS. REPAIRED COMPONENTS OF THE BILL ARE RECOMMENDED FOR REPAIR COMPONENTS OF THE BUILDING AND OVERALL ELEMENTS IDENTIFIED AS NEEDED AS A PART OF THIS 329 MILLION.

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IDENTIFYING THE COST AND TIME IMPLICATIONS OF THAT, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, AS JEN AND I THINK EVERYONE HAS CALLED OUT TODAY, YOU KNOW, AS YOU FACE THINGS OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, PRETTY COMMON SENSE THAT THERE IS AN INFLATION FACTOR THAT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WITH SOME OF THOSE PIECES. THERE ARE ALSO ELEMENTS, AS YOU SEE IN THE BOTTOM THERE AROUND CODE COMPLIANCE, LIFE, SAFETY, SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS. THAT WILL CALLED OUT THAT ONCE YOU START SOME OF THIS WORK, YOU MAY TRIGGER AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ANALYSIS, BUT YOU WOULD TRIGGER OTHER COMPONENTS THAT WOULD BE COST, THAT WOULD NOT BE IN THIS 329 MILLION. SO IT'S A, IT'S ABOUT STARTING WITH THEIR INFORMATION TO NOT REVALIDATE THE, THE WHY OF THE SYSTEMS AND THE COSTS ASSOCIATED.

BUT THINK ABOUT HOW WE'D SEQUENCE THAT AND THEN PRICE THAT APPROPRIATELY. SO.

SO THAT WAY YOU'RE NOT STARTING FROM ZERO CORRECTLY.

YES, MA'AM. AND SO IN YOUR ANALYSIS, WHICH I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE STILL CONTINUING.

YES, MA'AM. IF YOU IDENTIFY SOMETHING THAT HASN'T BEEN IDENTIFIED.

IS THAT GOING TO BE PLUGGED IN HERE OR HOW WILL WE ADDRESS THAT? SO OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND THAT WE FOUND SOMETHING THAT REALLY DOESN'T NEED TO HAPPEN JUST YET.

I THINK YOU DID TALK ABOUT THAT. IF IT'S IF IT'S ON THE LIST.

BUT IF YOU'VE GONE. GO AHEAD. SO I WOULD I WOULD SAY THE ANSWER IS YES TO BOTH.

BUT I WOULD SAY ON THE THINGS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN IDENTIFIED, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO AN ADDITIONAL FCA.

SO WHAT IT WOULD BE IS IF WE GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT UPDATING, REPLACING, CHANGING THE HORIZONTAL DISTRIBUTION OF THE HVAC LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE ADA AND OR ENERGY CODE OR RELATED COMPONENTS THAT ARE TRIGGERED AS A PART OF THAT, THAT ARE NOT DIRECTLY IN THIS $329 MILLION NUMBER THAT WE WOULD NEED TO IDENTIFY TO YOU AS BOTH COST, TIME, EFFORT, ETC., INCURRED. ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE THINGS, AS DON AND TEAM CALLED OUT THAT MAY OR MAY NOT NEED TO BE DONE AS A PART OF OUR APPROACH TO THE PROGRAM. AND THERE COULD BE THINGS THAT COULD BE DEFERRED OUTSIDE OF THE $329 MILLION APPROACH, THERE COULD BE THINGS THAT COULD BE PATCHED AS A PART OF THAT. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.

BUT IT'S ULTIMATELY TO GIVE YOU A THIS IS A REAL TEN YEAR PLAN THAT YOU COULD LOOK AT TO ASSOCIATE THESE COMPONENTS.

AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ACCURACY RANGE, WELL, OUR NEXT REPORT BE TIGHTER.

SO THIS IS A, THIS IS A TOUGH COMPONENT TO SAY BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY BASING THIS OFF OF LIKE A COMS REPORT WAS BASED ON A LIKE FOR LIKE REPLACEMENT WITH NO DESIGN.

CORRECT. AND IT'S HARD TO GET TO A MUCH MORE DETAILED PLANNING LEVEL.

I WOULD CALL THIS A PLANNING ESTIMATE. I WOULD CALL WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER A PLANNING ESTIMATE. NOW THERE ARE GOING TO BE ELEMENTS THAT YOU MAY SEE DIFFERENTLY AS FAR AS THE PERCENT RANGE AND HOW WE BREAK IT DOWN, RIGHT.

SO WE MAY INCLUDE ESCALATION CONTINGENCY ON SOME OF THESE AREAS.

WE MAY INCLUDE UNKNOWN COSTS. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET TO A SUPER DETAILED LEVEL WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO GO THROUGH A FULL DESIGN PROCESS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL WOULD FEEL DIFFERENTLY ON THAT CAPACITY. YOU UNTIL WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY SPECIFY WHAT'S REQUIRED, AND THEN USE THAT AS THE BASIS OF DESIGN. ALL WE'RE DOING IS IF WE'RE JUST REPAIRING WHAT'S HERE AND WE'RE NOT REPLACING IT OR BUILDING TO THE FUTURE, IT'S A DIFFERENT GAME. RIGHT. AND WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M SENSING IS THAT IF WE SAY THE FUTURE DOESN'T MATTER, WE JUST WANT TO CATCH UP TO WHERE WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN.

THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DIFFERENT OUTCOME THAN IF WE SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF WE'RE DOING THIS, IF WE'RE MAKING THIS SYSTEMATIC CHANGE IN SOMETHING, WHAT'S THE DELTA IN PRICE TO GO TO THE NEXT GENERATION VERSUS IGNORING THAT POTENTIALITY? AND I DO THINK THAT WE WOULD BE NOT SERVING YOU WELL IF WE DIDN'T BRING THOSE UP FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

I'M HOPING WE'RE GOING TO FIND SIGNIFICANT POTS OF MONEY IN THIS PROGRAM THAT WE CAN REASSIGN INTO BETTER VALUE FOR YOU AS THE END USERS.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS TOO EARLY. THEY'RE 0 TO 15% DESIGN CREDITED IN THE A E COM DESIGN CRITERIA FOR PRICING. AND IF YOU FLIP THE SCRIPT AND GO TO LEVEL ONE THERE THERE VARIATION IN HIGH TO LOW RANGE GOES DOWN TO VERY LOW NUMBERS BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT 75 TO 80% OF THE INFORMATION THEY NEED TO DO THEIR BASIS OF PRICING.

SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY, YOU CAN'T INVENT A PRICE IF YOU DON'T HAVE A BASIS FOR FLIPPING THE SCRIPT.

AND WE COULD, WE COULD WRITE A NARRATIVE AND DESCRIBE A SYSTEM.

BUT UNTIL WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN THE IMPACT OF FULFILLING THAT NARRATIVE IN DESIGN TERMS, IT'S GOING TO BE RISKY.

AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ASSIGN THOSE, IF YOU WILL, THE PERCENTAGE OF ESCALATORS OR POTENTIAL ERRORS.

THANK YOU. IN YOUR YOU'RE RIGHT, THIS BUILDING DOES FORM DOES FOLLOW FUNCTION.

AND AND YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT 18 SUBSTATIONS IS.

AND I'M ASSUMING THAT'S NOT A NORMAL PROCESS OR A NORMAL THING.

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SO WHAT HAPPENED, I THINK, IN THIS CASE IS SOMEBODY SAID, HEY, IT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD IDEA TO SAVE MONEY ON ELECTRICITY.

SO LET'S BRING IN HIGHER VOLTAGE TWO SUBSTATIONS AND THEN DISTRIBUTE THROUGH STEP DOWN TRANSFORMERS.

AND THAT'S GOING TO OUR COST PER KILOWATT HOUR IS GOING TO GO WAY DOWN IF WE'RE USING TRANSMISSION LINE VOLTAGE FOR SERVICE.

SO THEN ON EVERY OTHER BUILDING THAT I'VE DONE, PEOPLE JUST ACCEPTED THE FACT THAT BRINGING TRANSMISSION LINE VOLTAGE IN IS KIND OF OFF THE OFF THE TABLE IN MOST CASES. AND WE, WE ALREADY STEP IT DOWN.

WE ALREADY STEP THE POWER DOWN. SO YOU DO PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE PER KILOWATT HOUR, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE BEEFIER INFRASTRUCTURE COST OF DISTRIBUTING THAT HIGHER VOLTAGE THROUGH THE BUILDING. AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT WE USE WHAT WE CALL BUSBARS TO TAKE THOSE BIG LOADS FROM THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM, AND THEY'RE LITERALLY COPPER BARS THAT RUN THROUGH THE BUILDING. WELL, IF YOU'RE USING TRANSMISSION LINE VOLTAGE AND YOU'RE STEPPING IT DOWN, THOSE BUSBARS ARE VERY MUCH AN INTEGRAL PART OF THAT DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, AND THEY HAVE ONGOING MAINTENANCE ISSUES THAT OTHER SYSTEMS DON'T HAVE.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE TO MECHANICALLY TIGHTEN IT.

TOO MUCH INFORMATION, WE'LL SAY, AND TOO MUCH INFORMATION, DON, BUT IT'S AN ANNUAL MAINTENANCE EXPENSE TO TIGHTEN THOSE BUSBARS EVERY YEAR, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN OPEN BUSBAR TO DO THAT.

SO SOME OF THE SOME OF THOSE ARE THE REASONS WHY WE DON'T BRING TRANSMISSION LINE VOLTAGE IN ALL THE TIME, BECAUSE WE'D RATHER NOT BE DISTRIBUTING 13,200 VOLT ELECTRICITY.

SO REGARDING THAT, ARE YOU GOING TO CHANGE THAT SYSTEM? I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GO TO BECAUSE IT'S 18 SUBSTATIONS AND ALL OF THIS.

IS THAT AN APPROACH YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT, OR ARE YOU GOING TO MAINTAIN THE SAME APPROACH OR IS IT STILL UP FOR DISCUSSION? OUR SUBCONTRACTOR HAS BROUGHT UP A LOT OF REALLY GREAT IDEAS.

SOUTHWEST ELECTRIC IS A VALUABLE RESOURCE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS KNOW LUCKY WHO RUNS AROUND HERE DOING MAINTENANCE ON THE ELECTRICAL STUFF, BUT I WAS ANYWAY LUCKY HE KNOWS HIS WAY AROUND.

AND WE'VE TALKED LUCKY ABOUT WAYS WE COULD SKIN THIS CAT DIFFERENTLY.

BUT I DO THINK THAT HAVING A PARTNER LIKE SOUTHWEST ELECTRIC OR ONE OF THESE MAJOR ELECTRIC SUBCONTRACTORS THAT KNOWS HER WAY AROUND COULD OFFER US ALTERNATIVES.

WE CAN RUN THOSE TO THE GROUND. IS IT BETTER TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF SUBSTATIONS IN THE.

IF WE'RE REPLACING THEM ANYWAY AND WE'RE BRINGING NEW CABLE TO THEM, ARE WE BETTER OFF GOING TO SOMETHING DIFFERENT? SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LOVE TO EXPLORE IS TAKE FROM 0 TO 9 TO 10 OR 15% DESIGN.

SO THEN WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT ALTERNATIVE SYSTEM ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE.

AND THEN I THINK THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT REAL DOLLAR SAVINGS.

THANK YOU. ON 42, I'M CURIOUS. YOU'VE KIND OF GOT, I GUESS, EACH FLOOR PLAN.

IS THAT A REAL FLOOR PLAN OF THIS BUILDING OR IS IT A GRAPHIC THAT YOU JUST.

SO DID YOU ALL FIND THE ORIGINAL. IT'S A REASONABLE FACSIMILE.

IT'S AN AI BECAUSE I NOTICED L2, L3. IS IT ON HERE? I'M JUST THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S AN ISOMETRIC VIEW OF THOSE PLANS BEING EXTRUDED OUT.

OKAY. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM LIKE A 30 DEGREE ANGLE AS OPPOSED TO RIGHT NOW I'M MARRIED TO AN ARCHITECT.

SO I SEE THE. BUT IT IT'S IT'S INTERESTING THAT.

AND THAT'S HOW YOU'RE PLANNING ON. YOU'RE BREAKING IT DOWN LITERALLY BAY BY BAY.

WELL, WE PUT THIS TOGETHER AS PART OF OUR PLANNING SO WE COULD VISUALLY SEE THE ENTIRE BUILDING AND GO, OKAY, IF WE DO THIS WAY, THIS WAY, OR ARE YOU GOING TO 3D MODEL IT? OKAY. BECAUSE I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. THIS IS THE END, WHICH IS REALLY KIND OF COOL.

AND I ASSUME YOU FOUND I.M. PEI'S ORIGINAL 70S ARCHITECTURE PLANS.

NO, WE HAVE NOT SEEN WE HAVE SEEN BUILDING SECTIONS AND WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF DETAILS, BUT WE HAVE NOT SEEN A COMPLETE SET OF ARCHITECTURAL FLOOR PLANS OF THIS BUILDING.

AND I GUESS THERE REALLY ARE BLUEPRINTS AT THAT TIME, RIGHT? THE ALTERNATIVE TODAY TO TRYING TO FIND THOSE IS TO HAVE THE BUILDING LASER SCANNED WITH CLOUD POINT ACCURACY. AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF ACCURACY THAT WE MODEL TO, BUT IT'S, IT IS NOT THAT EXPENSIVE TO HAVE THOSE LASERS COME IN AND SHOOT THE ENTIRE BUILDING, AND WE'LL HAVE A 3D MODEL IN A WEEK OR TWO AFTER THAT'S DONE.

AND THEN EVERYBODY HAS ACCESS TO GOOD INFORMATION.

THAT'S IN OUR FIRST YEAR PLAN, BY THE WAY. OH, IS IT OKAY? YEAH. AND I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD THAT FOR THE NEXT PRESENTATION.

WE'VE ALREADY STARTED CREATING THAT 3D MODEL AND PLUGGING ALL OF THE PIECES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INTO THAT.

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WOW. SO THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE NEXT IN THE NEXT PRESENTATION.

DID YOU USE IT REAL QUICK BECAUSE I'VE GOT 50S.

ASBESTOS. IS IT THE SAME APPROACH TO ABATE IT AS IT IS WHEN YOU DEMOLISH A BUILDING? WELL, IF YOU IF YOU DEMOLISH A BUILDING, YOU STILL HAVE TO ABATE THE ASBESTOS, BUT THEY WON'T LET YOU JUST KNOCK THE BUILDING DOWN WITH THE. SO EITHER WAY, YOU SAID WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS THE THE ASBESTOS ISSUE, WHETHER IT COMES DOWN OR IT OR WE IF WE WHEN WE DO THE REMODEL, IF YOU WILL. RIGHT. YES. THAT'S RIGHT.

I HAVE BEEN A GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE FOR MULTIPLE YEARS OVER REAL ESTATE FOR STATE GOVERNMENT.

CAPITAL SORRY. CAPITAL PLANNING AS WELL AS FACILITY MAINTENANCE, FACILITY MAINTENANCE, OVER 10,000,000FT².

CAPITAL PROJECT AND PLANNING FOR 34,000,000FT².

AT ANY GIVEN TIME, WE PROBABLY HAD $2 BILLION WORTH OF ACTIVE CAPITAL PROJECTS.

SO WE HAVE DONE MULTIPLE ABATEMENTS AND OCCUPIED BUILDINGS WITHOUT ANY ISSUES.

YOU HAVE LICENSED PROFESSIONALS, SUBCONTRACTORS THAT COME IN AND SEAL EVERYTHING, AND THERE'S NO ISSUES RELATED TO THAT AT ALL.

WE'VE ALSO BEEN SURPRISED WHEN WE WENT TO DEMOLISH A BUILDING, AND SIMPLE THINGS LIKE CORK UNDERNEATH OUR WINDOWS LEACHED IN OVER TIME INTO THE CONCRETE, AND INSTEAD OF US BEING ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT CONCRETE FOR GRAVEL WE INSTEAD HAD TO REMOVE IT OFF OF SITE IN A DIFFERENT WAY. SO SO IF YOU ABATE, I MEAN, IF YOU DEMOLISH IT, YOU HAVE TO TREAT THE IF IT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED WITH HAVING ASBESTOS, IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT DISPOSABLE PROCESS. BUT YOU CAN ALSO HAVE SOME UNDISCOVERED THINGS LIKE WHAT WE DID WHEN WE THOUGHT THERE WAS NOT GOING TO BE AN ISSUE IN THOSE CONCRETE WALLS. AND THERE WAS. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND IF I COULD, IF I COULD HAVE ONE MORE THING.

ASBESTOS IS IN THE IS SOMETHING THAT GETS AIRBORNE.

SO IF IT'S ENCAPSULATED AND IT'S NOT DISTURBED, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.

OBVIOUSLY THE FULL DEMO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. AS LONG AS IT'S NOT TOUCHED, YOU'RE FINE.

BUT THE MINUTE YOU START TOUCHING IT, IT TRIGGERS A WHOLE NOTHER PROCESS REGARDLESS IF IT'S FOR DEMOLITION OR ABATE TO, TO REMODEL. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIS.

MAYOR, BEFORE YOU BEGIN, CAN YOU JUST MAKE SURE WHEN ANYBODY SPEAKING THAT THEY ACTUALLY TALK INTO THE MICROPHONE? IT'S BEEN VERY DIFFICULT, ESPECIALLY ON PEOPLE FROM THE SECOND ROW.

AND THEN ALSO. THANK YOU. IF I COULD ASK YOU TO PLEASE ACTUALLY JUST MOVE THAT VERY.

YOU ONLY HAVE TO BE LIKE AN INCH OR TWO AWAY.

AND IF YOU TURN YOUR HEAD AWAY, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY GOES STRAIGHT IN.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM.

WELL, AND WE CAN BELT AND SUSPENDERS THAT WE ALSO HAVE A VOLUME I THINK, IN THE CHAMBER.

SO MAYBE WE JUST TURN THAT UP AS WELL TO HELP US HEAR THIS IMPORTANT INFORMATION.

SO THANK YOU FOR STARTING OUT WITH GOING THROUGH THE HISTORY OF YOU ALL'S OWN EXPERIENCE.

I THINK THE 200 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN VARIOUS CAPACITIES THE CREDIBILITY OF THAT AND THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING SOME EVALUATIONS CONCURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PRESSURE TESTING, SOME THINGS I THINK IS MEANINGFUL SINCE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT KEEPS COMING UP IS, YOU KNOW, THAT PROFESSIONALS WHO COME BEFORE US, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE AN A TEAM. SO I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE AND HELPING US WITH THIS.

SO I THINK MR. FARLEY AND OTHERS YOU KEEP CITING THE AECOM REPORT SO YOU SEE IT AS VALID AND SOMETHING THAT IS YOUR STARTING BLOCK.

IT IS, I WOULD SAY AT THIS POINT IN TIME THAT IS THE BASIS OF INFORMATION.

WE HAVE TO CONDUCT THIS EXERCISE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN PROVIDED AS THE TEAM MENTIONED.

I THINK THE VALIDITY OF THE REPORT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT REALLY IN OUR SCOPE TO QUESTION.

IT'S ABOUT HOW WE TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND PHASE IT.

BUT I WOULD AGREE THAT IT'S A VERY THOROUGH REPORT WITH A LOT OF REALLY QUALITY INFORMATION THAT THERE'S CLEARLY A LOT OF WORK PUT INTO IT, NOT ONLY BY THE TEAMS, BUT BY CITY STAFF AND OTHER FOLKS THAT PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION.

WELL, WHY WOULD YOU BURN TIME PHASING SOMETHING IF YOU DIDN'T THINK IT WAS CREDIBLE? YEAH, I MEAN CORRECT. I MEAN, WOULDN'T YOU RAISE YOUR HAND AND GO, HEY, THERE'S A PROBLEM HERE? CORRECT, CORRECT. OKAY. WELL, I MEAN, EVERYONE HAS PERMISSION TO DO THAT IF THEY FIND THAT TO BE THE CASE. BUT I'M GUESSING YOU ALL HAVE WORKED WITH THIS FIRM OR SOMEONE OF THIS ILK BEFORE.

OKAY, GOOD. I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT. SO I WANT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT COMING INTO THIS I WAS THINKING ABOUT.

I WAS ON THE PHONE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER GATES THIS MORNING AROUND 7 A.M., TALKING ABOUT THE 2020 PREP FOR THE 2024 BOND.

AND I WAS ON THE 2017 CRITICAL FACILITIES COMMITTEE.

AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE I KEEP HEARING ABOUT NUMBERS FLUCTUATING AND YOU KNOW, TO GET TO THE REAL NUMBERS, IT'S INVASIVE AND EXPENSIVE. AND IF BODIES HAD NOT WANTED TO INVEST IN CITY HALL, ULTIMATELY,

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YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE CHURCH AND THIS IS THE STEEPLE.

OPEN THE DOORS AND SEE ALL THE PEOPLE. AND SO WE TALK ABOUT NUMBERS AND CATEGORIES AND CHILLERS AND CABLES AND ALL OF THAT. IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT WORK HERE. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ASBESTOS AND WHETHER, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO REMEDIATE, WHETHER YOU'RE WORKING ON THE BUILDING OR YOU'RE DEMOLISHING THE BUILDING, THERE'S A DISTINCTION THERE. YOU KNOW, IN ONE CASE, PEOPLE ARE IN IT AND THE OTHER THEY AREN'T.

SO I JUST WANT TO CENTER ON THE PEOPLE. AND IT'S NOT JUST THE PEOPLE WHO WORK HERE, BUT WE DO HAVE THE PUBLIC COMING IN AND OUT OF HERE.

NOT THAT MANY. IT TURNS OUT. BUT WE DO HAVE THE PUBLIC HERE.

SO MR. POWELL, YOU HAD SAID SOME THINGS. GOING BACK TO THAT THOUGHT ABOUT CHILLERS WILL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PROP THESE UP DURING THE NEXT DURING THE 5 TO 10 YEAR PROCESS RESTROOMS, WALLS WON'T BE INTACT BECAUSE THERE'S ASBESTOS AND YOU'VE GOT TO TAKE ALL THAT OUT.

NO AUTOMATIC SPRINKLERS BEYOND THE FIRST FLOOR BECAUSE CODE PERMITTED IT.

YOU KNOW, PARTS OF THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW. OH, WE'LL KEEP TWO THIRDS OF THE PLAZA OPEN, YOU KNOW.

SO BUT WHAT THIS TELLS ME IS IT'S GREAT THAT TWO THIRDS IS OPEN, BUT THEN ONE THIRD IS A CONSTRUCTION SITE.

SO THIS IS DISTURBING AND DISRUPTIVE. I MEAN, IT IT DOES HAVE AN INTERRUPTION, EVEN THOUGH THE ATTEMPT WOULD BE MADE TO KEEP IT ACTIVE AND OPEN. AND I MEAN ALL THESE THINGS CAN BE DONE.

IT'S THE MONEY. SO I MEAN TO ME IT'S LESS I AM PAY AND IT'S WHAT WILL TAXPAYERS PAY.

SO YOU KNOW A HOMONYM IF YOU WILL. SO ONE THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT AND I'M GOING BACK TO YOU, MR. POWELL, IS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WORKMANSHIP CAUSED PROBLEMS WHEN THE PIECES CAME TOGETHER.

SOME OF THIS IS SUPERFICIAL, BUT I SEE THAT AS IN CONFLICT WITH THE AECOM REPORT ON.

I MEAN, JUST ON ONE PAGE ALONE ON 43, IT'S TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE EFFLORESCENCE IS AN INDICATOR OF ONGOING MOISTURE MITIGATION AND THAT TO STOP TREATING IT AS A COSMETIC ISSUE. AND SO THAT CONCERNS ME WHEN I'M HEARING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SUPERFICIAL OR WHATEVER.

I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT WHAT'S BEING LAID OUT HERE IS THAT THE NATURE OF THIS POURED CONCRETE, WHICH IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE, YOU KNOW, IN CHICAGO, THE OBAMA MUSEUM, IT'S BRUTALIST, IT'S CONCRETE. IT'S DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS BACK THEN.

AND SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THE TAKEAWAY MIGHT BE FROM THESE COMMENTS ABOUT IT BEING SUPERFICIAL.

WHEN WE'VE GOT THIS IN-DEPTH REPORT ON PAGE AFTER PAGE WHERE IT'S SAYING, STOP TREATING IT LIKE A COSMETIC ISSUE AND TREAT IT LIKE MOISTURE, MIGRATION AND ALL THAT. THAT IMPLIES THE WATERPROOFING SYSTEMS THAT EXISTED BACK IN THE 1970S ARE FAR DIFFERENT THAN THE ONES THAT WE USE TODAY.

THERE ARE PRODUCTS THAT PROVIDE A WATERPROOF BARRIER, A MATTE BOARD THAT GOES UP AGAINST THAT WATERPROOF BARRIER TO ALLOW MOISTURE TO DRAIN DOWN INTO A FRENCH DRAIN SYSTEM, SO THERE'S NEVER ANY HYDROSTATIC PRESSURE AGAINST THE WALL.

AT THE TIME THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT, THEY USED FLUID APPLIED COATINGS TO THE CONCRETE SURFACE AND THEY BACKFILLED AGAINST IT.

THERE WAS NO MATTE BOARD. THERE WAS NO PERMIT, ESPECIALLY ON RAMP WALLS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I NOTICED IN THAT REPORT IS SOME OF THE RAMP WALLS WERE THE KEY INDICATORS OF THIS EFFLORESCENCE, AND THE PROBLEMS AND RAMP WALLS ARE PARTIAL WALL HEIGHT.

THEY'RE NOT EVEN, YOU KNOW, TEN, 11FT TALL. AND THEY VARY FROM ZERO TO THE HEIGHT OF THE WALL.

BUT THOSE THINGS WERE LOOKED AT BACK IN THE 70S AS WELL.

YEAH, THERE'S GOING TO BE PROBLEMS HERE, BUT ALL WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WATERPROOF IT. THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE SOPHISTICATED WATERPROOFING SYSTEMS THAT WE HAVE TODAY, AND IT JUST ENDS UP WITH AN INFERIOR RESULT. BUT I WILL SAY THIS EFFLORESCENCE, I SAW PHOTOGRAPHS OF IT IN TWO LOCATIONS THEN, AND IT'S AN ISOLATED CASE. THE EFFLORESCENCE ISN'T EVERYWHERE, BUT IT DOES INDICATE THE PRESENCE OF MOISTURE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY HYDROSTATIC PRESSURE AND THE HYDROSTATIC PRESSURES WHERE WATER IS BUILDING UP OUTSIDE THE WALL.

AND IT'S REALLY CREATING HAVOC WHEN YOU GET HYDROSTATIC PRESSURE.

RIGHT. AND THIS REPORT SHOWS THE MEMBRANE IS THAT'S A PROBLEM.

BUT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EFFLORESCENCE IS VISIBLE.

AND THIS WAS ABOUT OBSERVABLE CONDITIONS. SO WHAT ELSE MIGHT NOT BE OBSERVABLE.

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THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WANT TO THANK THE TEAM.

IT WAS SO HELPFUL TO HAVE JUST YOUR METHODOLOGY AND HOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE WORKING.

I REALLY APPRECIATED THAT. I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION, YOU KNOW, I KNOW COUNCIL DID NOT PUT MONEY TOWARDS SOME OF THE REPAIRS THAT THIS BUILDING, BUT WE DID HAVE CITY EMPLOYEES THAT KEPT THIS BUILDING GOING, GOING.

ZAIDA AND HER TEAM SHE WAS AN ARCHITECT. SHE ALSO HAD FOUR ENGINEERS THAT WORKED UNDER HER.

AND THEY HELPED MAINTAIN NOT ONLY THIS BUILDING, BUT ALSO CITY FACILITIES.

EMPLOYEES ALSO WERE CHARGED FOR PARKING. AND THE MONEY THAT WAS CHARGED WAS ACTUALLY USED TO HELP WITH REPAIRS FOR THE PARKING GARAGE.

AND MAYBE THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT IN SUCH DISREPAIR AS MAYBE OTHER PARTS OF THE BUILDING.

I WAS ONE OF THOSE EMPLOYEES THAT WAS CHARGED.

AND SO I'M GLAD THAT THAT MAYBE THAT MONEY WENT TO HELP REPAIR THE BUILDING.

YOU MENTIONED ON PAGE 18 ABOUT THE HISTORIC HIGHLIGHTS, WHICH I WAS VERY APPRECIATIVE.

BUT I DID HAVE A QUESTION. DO ANY OF THE COMPANIES HAVE EXPERTISE IN HISTORICAL RENOVATIONS AND REPAIR? AND IS THAT GOING TO BE NEEDED? AND IF SO, WOULD YOU ALL HAVE TO HIRE OUTSIDE IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT EXPERTISE? SO BEFORE WE HAVE THE CONSULTANTS ANSWER THAT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT THE BUILDING HAS NOT BEEN DESIGNATED AS A LANDMARK YET BY THE CITY COUNCIL. THE DESIGNATION PROCESS OF THE MORATORIUM IS IN PLACE, BUT THIS BODY MUST VOTE TO MAKE IT DESIGNATED AS SO.

OKAY. YEAH. AND JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, AS FAR AS THE COLLECTIVE GRESHAM SMITH TEAM, MY TEAM FROM ATHENIA AND IMIG AND OTHERWISE ALL CARRY EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE IN WORKING IN RENOVATING EXISTING FACILITIES, WHETHER THEY'RE HISTORIC DESIGNATION OR NOT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S SEVERAL FACILITIES THAT ARE THIS AGE THAT ARE NOT DESIGNATED HISTORIC FACILITIES THAT WE'VE HAD TO NAVIGATE THROUGH. AND THERE'S UNIQUE CHALLENGES TO THAT COMPONENT REALLY, WHILE WE BROUGHT THAT UP, COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS TO LOOK AT AS FAR AS WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE HORIZONTAL DISTRIBUTION OF AIR AND OTHERWISE, AND THERE'S IMPACTS TO THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE BUILDING THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED AS A PART OF THIS PROGRAM.

NEITHER W, M2 OR FIDELIS HAVE IN HOUSE HISTORICAL SUPPORT IN TERMS OF ARCHITECTURE SERVICES, BUT I KNOW PEOPLE IN THE INDUSTRY VERY WELL WHO DO THAT.

IF THAT IS THEIR SPECIALTY, IT IS A HIGHLY SPECIALIZED FIELD.

IT NORMALLY REQUIRES A MASTER'S DEGREE JUST TO BASICALLY GET TO THE ENTRY LEVEL.

BUT IT COMES DOWN TO RESPECT FOR CERTAIN ARCHIVAL DOCUMENTS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR COUNTRY.

WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE, WE HAD TO PARTICIPATE IN A PROGRAM CALLED THE HISTORIC AMERICAN BUILDINGS SURVEY.

AND AS COLLEGE STUDENTS, WE HAD TO PRODUCE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS FOR A BUILDING THAT HAD BEEN DESIGNATED ON THE HISTORIC REGISTER.

AND FOR ME, IT WAS A CREDIT HOUR. IT WAS A DRAFTING CLASS, BUT IT WAS FIELD MEASURING AND DRAFTING.

BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE MARKET IN DALLAS WHO SPECIALIZE IN THIS.

AND I WOULD LOOK TO. I COULD GIVE YOU NAMES, BUT THERE ARE.

THERE'S A HALF A DOZEN REALLY TOP NOTCH BEST IN THE COUNTRY PEOPLE TO LOOK AT THIS FOR YOU.

SO IF IT HAPPENS, THEN I WOULD ENGAGE ONE OF THOSE FOLKS AS YOUR EXPERT.

THANK YOU. YOU ALSO SAID ONE OF Y'ALL SAID, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO EXACTLY SAID THAT Y'ALL TOOK SOME OF THE INFORMATION FROM THE ACOM STUDY.

BUT WE ARE ALSO ABLE TO SPEAK WITH STAFF OR FOR INSTANCE, AND THIS WAS, THIS IS WHY I ASKED BECAUSE LIKE Y'ALL MENTIONED THE ROOF, RIGHT? I WENT ON A TOUR OF THE BUILDING AND I WAS TOLD THAT IT WAS THE ORIGINAL ROOF.

AND I FOUND OUT LATER ON THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY REPLACED IN 1998.

AND THEN I THINK WE MENTIONED THAT THE LIFESPAN OF THE ROOF WOULD BE 50 TO 60 YEARS.

AND SO WE ALL TAKE THINGS LIKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE REPAIRS, THE BELHAVEN REPORT, WHICH I THINK IS ONE OF THE BEST REPORTS IN THE ENTIRE PACKAGE, IS ABOUT THE WATERPROOFING SYSTEMS AND THE ROOF ANALYSIS FOR THE COAL TAR PITCH AND THE FOUR PLY BASIC FELTS THAT SYSTEMS THAT THEY USED.

IT'S BASICALLY REFERRED TO AS A MODIFIED BITUMEN ROOF.

BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WE HAVE MUCH BETTER ROOF MEMBRANES TODAY THAN THEY HAD IN THE 70S.

AND SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS WITH STRUCTURE, TONE.

THERE ARE WAYS TO LAYER ANOTHER ROOF ON TOP OF THE ONE THAT'S THERE.

AND THE CONCERN I HAVE IS THAT THE COAL PART, THE THE COAL TAR PITCH REACHES 125 DEGREES AND IT STARTS MELTING AND FLOWING INTO THE DRAINS. AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH COAL TAR PITCH HAS ACTUALLY GOTTEN INTO THE ROOF DRAINS OR THE OVERFLOW DRAINS.

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WHEN IT GETS TO 120, IT GETS BECOMES FLUID. AND THOSE THAT COAL TAR ITSELF STARTS TO MIGRATE.

SO TO ME, WE DO A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS AS TO WHETHER TO TAKE IT OFF.

BUT PAYING FOR A ROOF SYSTEM FOR A BUILDING OF THIS TYPE IS NORMAL.

IT'S IT'S NORMAL. YOU DON'T GET THESE FOR 100 YEARS.

THEY DON'T LAST THAT LONG. YEAH. AND MY FINAL COMMENT WOULD JUST BE I PROBABLY I DON'T KNOW IF I'M THE ONLY COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT MAYBE ONE OF THE ONLY ONES THAT ACTUALLY LIVED THROUGH A REMODEL.

WE REMODELED THE FIFTH FLOOR FOR MCC AND I THINK IT TOOK ABOUT THREE WEEKS.

THEY MOVED US TO L1 AND THEN WE MOVED RIGHT BACK UP AND IT WAS A PRETTY YOU KNOW, PRETTY GOOD REMODEL.

I MEAN, IT LOOKS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. WAS NEW.

THIS WAS IN ABOUT 2018, I THINK. AND THEN AND JUST IN DOING SOME RESEARCH, I FOUND OUT THAT LIKE THE GENERATOR REPAIRS TRANSFORMER REPLACEMENT, CHILLER REPLACEMENT AND ELECTRICAL PANEL REPLACEMENTS WERE ALL CONDUCTED ON NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS WHEN THEY WERE REPAIRED IN THE PAST, SO I DON'T THINK THAT IT IMPACTED THE EMPLOYEES AT ALL.

SO THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN RIDLEY, THANK YOU. RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

SO JUST SOME OVERALL COMMENTS ABOUT THE PRESENTATION.

I WAS IMPRESSED WITH HOW THOUGHTFUL AND COORDINATED IT WAS, GIVEN THE NUMBER OF CONSULTANTS INVOLVED IN PREPARING IT.

AND I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ENGAGED FOR VERY LONG.

WHEN WERE YOU ENGAGED TO DO THIS WORK? SO EARLY APRIL.

WE BEGAN SPEAKING WITH THE CONSULTANTS AND THEN HAD THEM COME IN FOR SITE VISITS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE BUILDING TO ENSURE THAT THIS WAS A PROJECT THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO TAKE ON. BUT WHEN WERE THEY ENGAGED TO START WORK? THEY WERE ENGAGED TO START WORK, I BELIEVE, IN MID-APRIL TO EARLY MAY.

I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTS OR.

OKAY. COULD YOU CLARIFY THE ROLES OF THE RESPECTIVE CONSULTANTS? I UNDERSTAND WHAT GRESHAM SMITH IS TO DO. BUT MR. MUNDINGER W M2. COULD YOU ELABORATE ON YOUR COMPANY'S ROLE VIS A VIS GRESHAM AND SMITH? HOW WILL YOU COORDINATE? WHAT ARE YOUR DIFFERENT ROLES? ONE OF THE KEY ITEMS THAT WE HAVE. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YEAH. EXCUSE ME. ONE OF THE KEY ITEMS THAT WE HAVE THAT WE DISCUSSED AS THE, AS THE RESPECTIVE TEAMS WERE PUT TOGETHER, IS IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HAVE ONE OF THE GROUPS PERFORM A PEER REVIEW WITH THE OTHER GROUPS TO.

AND I'M NOT SAYING DOUBLE CHECK THEIR WORK, BUT I'M SAYING SHARE IDEAS AND CONCEPTS.

HOW DO YOU SEE THIS PORTION OF THE BUILDING. HOW DO YOU SEE PHASING? ARE THERE ISSUES THAT MAY BE IN THE AECOM REPORT THAT YOU THINK WE OUGHT TO PAY MORE ATTENTION TO OR LESS ATTENTION TO? IT'S A COORDINATED APPROACH WHERE WE SHARE INFORMATION AND APPROACHES.

AND HOW DO WE ATTACK THE ISSUE? BOTH OF US ARE OPERATING IN AN INDEPENDENT SORT OF A WAY, I WILL SAY.

AND YOU WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PRESENTATIONS, IF YOU'RE IN OUR BUSINESS, YOU CAN TELL WHICH ONE WAS PUT TOGETHER BY ARCHITECTS AND WHICH ONE WAS PUT TOGETHER BY CONTRACTORS. OURS WAS THE SIMPLE CONTRACTOR APPROACH WHERE WE FOCUS ON BUILDING, AND WE TAKE THE CONCEPTS AND SHARE THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE, AND WE GO WITH OUR PARTNERS.

DON, WHO YOU CAN TELL KNOWS BUILDINGS BETTER THAN FAIRLY WELL.

AND STRUCTURE TONE, WHO HAS SPENT TIME AND TIME AGAIN TAKING CARE OF THE INSIDES OF BUILDINGS AND DEALING WITH THE SYSTEMS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN IT.

WE'RE ENGAGING WITH SOME OF THE SUBCONTRACTORS THAT HAVE WORKED IN THE BUILDING, SOME OF THEM THAT HAVE GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH STRUCTURE, TONE TO EXAMINE THE BUILDING AND COME UP WITH INDEPENDENT PRICING GIVEN INFORMATION THAT WE'VE PROVIDED THEM.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, I'M GOING TO CALL IT INTERNAL PEOPLE WITHIN STRUCTURE TONE, USING THE RELATIONSHIPS THEY HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY TO BRING SOME OF THEIR TRUSTED PEOPLE IN AND LOOK AT THE BUILDING AND COME UP WITH AN INDEPENDENT PRICE.

SO ON SLIDE 37, YOU SPEAK IN BOX ONE ABOUT PERFORMING A PEER REVIEW STYLE ASSESSMENT OF THE APPROACH, DIRECTION AND METHODOLOGY OF THE GRESHAM SMITH REPORT.

SO WHO'S GOING TO BE DOING THAT PEER REVIEW. OUR OUR ENTIRE TEAM.

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I MEAN, THEY ALL WORK UNDERNEATH ME. IT'S OKAY.

I CAN ASSURE YOU, IT'S MORE THAN W M2, WHICH IS ME.

I GOT IT. SO, GRESHAM SMITH, YOU'LL BE DOING YOUR REPORT FIRST AND THEN SUBMIT IT TO THE W M2 TEAM AND SUBS FOR THEIR PEER REVIEW. IS THAT WHAT YOU UNDERSTAND? I WOULD SAY YES. AND WE'RE WORKING IN CONCERT THROUGH A LOT OF THIS TO TALK THROUGH APPROACHES TO DIFFERENT COMPONENTS.

TALK ABOUT HOW WE WOULD PRICE SOME OF THESE ELEMENTS AS WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE ISN'T A BASIS OF DESIGN.

AND SO TALKING THROUGH. SO WE CAN GIVE YOU TRUE APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON ON HOW COSTS WERE GENERATED.

SO THERE WILL BE A PEER REVIEW AT THE END. BUT WILL I THINK YOU WOULD AGREE.

IT'S VERY COLLABORATIVE AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. AS AN EXAMPLE, WHEN WE GET THROUGH HERE, WE WILL GO TO A CONFERENCE ROOM THAT'S RESERVED FOR US AND OUR TEAM WILL SIT DOWN AND SHARE THOUGHTS OF WHAT HAPPENED TODAY AND ALSO FOCUS ON THE TASKS THAT WE HAVE AHEAD.

SO THAT TO ME SAYS THAT THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE CONTRACT RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE CITY ONE, GRESHAM SMITH, THE OTHER ONE W M2. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE NOT SUBORDINATE TO GRESHAM SMITH.

YOU HAVE YOUR OWN CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY, CORRECT? OKAY. NOW, ONE THING THAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS THE TIME FRAME.

YOU NOW HAVE TWO WEEKS LEFT BEFORE YOU'RE EXPECTED TO PRESENT PHASE TWO OF YOUR REPORT, WHICH IS ALL OF YOUR CONCLUSIONS.

IS IT REALISTIC TO EXPECT YOU TO COMPLETE THE DETAILED WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT LEVELS, WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT FIRMS IN THE NEXT 14 DAYS? THIS IS WHAT WE CALL A SPRINT, FOR SURE. AND WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH.

I WOULD SAY COUNCIL MEMBER BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN A SIGNIFICANT BODY OF WORK FROM A PREVIOUS REPORTS THE STAFF HAVE DONE AND OTHERWISE WE HAVE A VERY GOOD BASIS OF INFORMATION OF KIND OF WHERE THE ELEMENTS ARE AND OTHERWISE OUR GOAL AS A PART OF THIS PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, AS WAS LINED OUT, IS PRESENT YOU A FRAMEWORK AND A SEQUENCING SET OF OPTIONS THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER, ALONG WITH ROM PRICING ASSOCIATED WITH IT. WE ARE NOT, AT THIS POINT IN TIME TASKED WITH THE FULL DESIGN OR THE FULL, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION SEQUENCE. AND SO WE BELIEVE WHILE A TIGHT TIME FRAME, THAT IT'S DOABLE TO PROVIDE YOU THE DIRECTION AND INFORMATION YOU NEED WITH WHAT'S AVAILABLE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. WELL, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT PERCEIVING THAT YOU'RE UNDER PRESSURE FROM THE PEOPLE THAT HIRED YOU TO GET THIS DONE.

HELL OR HIGH WATER IN 14 DAYS AND THEREFORE LEADING TO A RUSHED WORK PRODUCT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THE TIME THAT YOU NEED TO DO A PROFESSIONAL JOB.

AND SO IF IT TAKES LONGER THAN 14 DAYS, WILL YOU ASK FOR MORE TIME? YES. WE WILL KEEP IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH MR. JOHNSON AND TEAM IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT COMES UP. WE'VE ACTUALLY ALREADY GOTTEN A FEW EXTRA WEEKS WITH SOME OF THE CHANGES IN COUNCIL DATES, SO WE'VE BEEN IN CONSTANT CONTACT WITH HIM THROUGHOUT.

GREAT. ON SLIDE 31, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WILL BE ANOTHER CONSULTANT DEVELOPING THE STRATEGY FOR SWING SPACE, BUT THAT CONSULTANT IS NOT NAMED. WHO WILL THAT BE? THAT'S THE CITY'S CONTRACTED BROKER, CBRE, WHO PROVIDED THE ORIGINAL INFORMATION IN ONE OF THE INITIAL STUDIES.

SO THAT STRATEGY IS ALREADY PREPARED, OR THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CBRE IS GOING TO BE ENGAGED TO CONTRIBUTE.

CORRECT. WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT AMOUNT OF SWING SPACE, IF ANY, THEIR PLANS CALL FOR AND BY SQUARE FOOTAGE.

WE WILL THEN TAKE THAT WITH THE BROKER, AND THEN THEY CAN PROVIDE US WITH THE ESTIMATES TO PUT INTO THE COUNCIL PRESENTATION SO THAT YOU HAVE A FULL ARRAY OF WHAT ALL THE COSTS WOULD BE. OKAY. JUST ONE QUESTION ABOUT ASBESTOS IN THE RESTROOMS. WHERE IS IT? IN THE RESTROOMS. IS IT IN THE TILE FLOORING? THE MASTIC IS USED FOR THE ADHESIVES FOR THE FLOORS.

THE WALLS. IT'S PERVASIVE, AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE SURFACES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COME OUT OF THOSE BATHROOMS. WE ALSO HAVE TO RE SPACE ALL THE PLUMBING FIXTURES TO MEET THE TASK REQUIREMENTS.

SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS THOSE RESTROOMS ARE GOING TO BE ESSENTIALLY DEMOED AND, AND SCRAPED TO THE CONCRETE AND THEN PERHAPS HAVE TO ACTUALLY RELOCATE SOME OF THOSE WALLS TO MEET SOME OF THE CLEARANCES FOR ACCESS TO THE RESTROOMS. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M PEI HAD AGAINST PATHWAYS THAT WERE WIDER THAN 3.5FT, BUT THOSE QUARTERS ARE JUST TOO NARROW TO GIVE THE POOLSIDE DOOR RELIEF THAT WE NEED FOR TOSS OR ADA REQUIREMENTS FOR THE POOL SIDE OF THE DOOR.

AND YOU CAN'T JUST MOVE THE DOOR FRAME. YOU'VE GOT TO MOVE THE WALL.

IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IT'S A BOTTLENECK.

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HAVE YOU CONTACTED THE PEI FIRM TO SEE WHAT THEY HAVE? IF I MAY, THE DALLAS CHAPTER OF THE AIA ONE OF THE FORMER PRESIDENTS REACHED OUT TO I'M PEI'S OFFICE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND THEY PROVIDED THE DOCUMENTS THAT THEY HAD AVAILABLE, INCLUDING THE MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING DRAWINGS THAT THEY HAD AT THE TIME.

BUT THE BEST THING THEY GAVE US WERE ALL THE BUILDING SECTIONS. WE HAD NO BUILDING SECTIONS, FLOOR TO FLOOR HEIGHTS AND HOW THE SPACES WERE ARRANGED.

BUT I WAS ABLE TO TAKE THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAD TO DO A ROUGH CALCULATION OF THE CUBIC FEET IN THE ATRIUM JUST OFF OF THOSE DRAWINGS.

AND SO WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO BE DANGEROUS.

BUT I STILL THINK BEFORE THIS IS ALL SAID AND DONE, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE RELYING ON REVIT AND CAD TECHNOLOGY TO DO DRAWINGS, AND THE CITY COULD OWN A CLOUD POINT MODEL AND DOWNLOAD ALL THOSE DRAWINGS TO TO ACTUAL CAD FILES.

AND EVERYBODY ON THIS TEAM WOULD THEN HAVE BETTER INFORMATION FROM WHICH TO BUILD THEIR OPINIONS.

WHEN DOES RENOVATION OF A BUILDING TRIGGER MODERN CODE UPGRADES? WELL, IF YOU SPEND MORE THAN 50% OF THE VALUE OF THE BUILDING ON RENOVATION, YOU HAVE TO BRING THE BUILDING UP TO CURRENT BUILDING CODE.

SO THAT TRIGGERS THE FIRE COMMAND CENTER. IT TRIGGERS A BUNCH OF LIFE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS THAT DIDN'T EXIST IN THE 70S.

NOW, THE REALITY IS THAT NONE OF THOSE THINGS ARE DEAL BREAKERS.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SPENDING MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM IS THE OVERHEAD AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEM IS SOMETHING THAT HONESTLY, I JUST THINK FROM A DAY TO DAY COMFORT FACTOR IN THE OFFICE TO KNOW THAT IF THERE'S A FIRE, IT'S GOING TO BE EXTINGUISHED VERY QUICKLY. THERE'S ALSO SOPHISTICATED CLEAN AGENT SYSTEMS THAT ARE USED WHERE YOU HAVE VALUABLE EQUIPMENT, LIKE IN DATA CENTERS AND THINGS THAT THAT DISCHARGE SMOTHER THE SMOKE AND FIRE, BUT DON'T LEAVE IN A RESIDUAL ON THE EQUIPMENT.

SO THOSE CLEAN AGENT PRODUCTS ARE VERY POPULAR AND THEY'RE USED SPARINGLY BECAUSE THEY ARE EXPENSIVE TO OWN AND OPERATE, BUT THEY DO PROVIDE A BENEFIT. BUT IN ORDINARY OFFICE SPACE, ORDINARY HAZARD FOR FOR FIRE COMBUSTION, THE OVERHEAD AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEM, WET SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT VARIOUS DEGREES OF YOU CAN HAVE A DRY DRY PIPE SYSTEM OR A WET SYSTEM. THE STANDPIPES IN THIS BUILDING ARE DRY PIPES FOR THE COST OF SOME PUMPS HERE AND THERE.

IT WOULDN'T BE MUCH TO GET EVERYTHING CONVERTED TO A WET SYSTEM.

AND THAT GIVES YOU IMMEDIATE DISCHARGE OF WATER WHEN THERE IS A HEAD THAT RELEASES.

IT OPENS BECAUSE IT'S GOTTEN HOT. SO THERE'S THERE'S SMOKE DETECTION EQUIPMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED.

AND I, AND I'M GOING TO HAVE AN ENGINEER LOOK AT THE CALCULATIONS I DID ON THE ATRIUM.

WE KNOW WE HAVE 28,500 CFM AND FANS COMING INTO THAT EXHAUST SYSTEM.

THAT SEEMS WOEFULLY INADEQUATE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE VOLUME THAT WE HAVE TO DISCHARGE.

AND I JUST THINK THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS I WANT TO RUN TO THE GROUND PRETTY QUICKLY, BECAUSE THAT'S A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE. THE PROBLEM I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY REMEMBERS THE MG HOTEL MGM HOTEL FIRE THAT KILLED 85 OR 85 PEOPLE DIED IN THE FIRE, ALMOST.

WELL, TWO THIRDS OF THEM DIED FROM SMOKE INHALATION.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S A TOXIC GAS THAT FORMS. SO IN THE UPPER FLOORS OF THIS BUILDING, IN THE UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCE THAT IT GETS SMOKE IN THERE, IT'S IT'S GOT TO HAVE A PLACE TO GO. AND I WOULD WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE'VE TAKEN THAT STEP TO BRING THE ATRIUM UP TO THE CURRENT CODE BECAUSE THERE WAS NO BUILDING CODE UNTIL 1994 FOR ATRIUM EXHAUST. IT DIDN'T EXIST UNTIL 1994.

SO IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN IN THE CODE FOR THE NECESSITY OF A SPRINKLER SYSTEM IN A FULL CONCRETE FRAME BUILDING? IT'S NOT ABOUT THE FRAME, IT'S ABOUT THE COMBUSTIBLE MATERIALS IN THE OFFICE SPACE.

AND IT'S ORDINARY HAZARD. IT'S NOT ANYTHING EXTREME.

SO THE HEAD AND THE SPACING FOR THE SYSTEM IS, IS KIND OF ROUTINE.

IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING EXTRAORDINARY. BUT HEAD SPACING IS AT ABOUT 15FT ON CENTER IN BOTH DIRECTIONS IS PRETTY NORMAL IN THE CEILING HEIGHTS.

BUT TO NOT HAVE ANYTHING THERE AND RELY ON HANDHELD FIRE EXTINGUISHERS IF THERE'S A FIRE PEOPLE DON'T MAKE GREAT CHOICES WHEN THEY'RE UNDER DURESS, LIKE THERE'S A FIRE BREAKING OUT. AND I JUST THINK THAT THAT'S SOME OF THE AREAS WHERE WE CAN MAKE IT SAFER.

SO WHAT DO YOU USE FOR THE VALUE OF THE BUILDING TO DETERMINE WHETHER YOU EXCEED THAT THRESHOLD FOR CODE COMPLIANCE IN TERMS OF 50% OF THE VALUE OF THE BUILDING.

WELL DOES ANYBODY REMEMBER THE EXACT CONSTRUCTION COST ON THIS BUILDING?

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IT WAS A RIDICULOUS NUMBER. AND I WAS LIKE, SURELY YOU WOULDN'T USE A 50 YEAR OLD PRICE WITH THE INFLATION THAT'S INCURRED SINCE THEN? NO, BUT IT JUST EVEN 32 IN 19 75 OR 76, A $32 MILLION.

THIS IS A LOT OF BUILDING FOR A 32 MILLION BUCKS.

SO MY MY POINT IS WE NEED TO JUST CHECK THE BOX.

AND IF WE'RE EXCEEDING THE THRESHOLD TO REQUIRE IT TO BE BROUGHT UP TO CODE, I JUST THINK WE NEED TO OWN UP TO THAT.

YEAH. AND COUNCIL MEMBER, I JUST WANT TO ADD ONE THING.

AS A BIT OF A CORRECTION AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE HAVE ALL THE DRAWINGS THAT WE BELIEVE WE NEED TO COMPLETE THIS ASSESSMENT.

OKAY. MINUS THE ELECTRICAL DRAWINGS OF THE FACILITY.

BUT AT THIS POINT WE EITHER HAVE SCANS OR AUTOCAD SCANS OF ALL OF THE MAJOR COMPONENTS OF THE FACILITY AND FEEL VERY INFORMED OF WHAT WE HAVE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

AND, LIZZIE, I THINK TO ADD TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE VALUATION OF THE BUILDING, WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING CODE STUDIES AS PART OF OUR SOLUTIONS.

THERE ARE CASES, SPECIALIZED EXEMPTIONS THAT WOULD APPLY.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT WAS A HISTORICAL BUILDING WHERE WE WOULD HAVE AN EXEMPTION WITHIN THE CODE FOR PORTIONS OF THE CODE REQUIREMENT, AND WE'RE NOT FAR ENOUGH INTO A DESIGN PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO DEFINE THAT.

BUT THERE IS POSSIBILITY THAT SOME OF THAT SCOPE COULD BE EXEMPTED IN THE LONG TERM.

SO YOU'LL BUILD THAT INTO YOUR ANALYSIS IN PHASE TWO.

YES. ON SLIDE 13, YOU TALK ABOUT THE GRESHAM SMITH CREDENTIALS WITH CITY HALL BUILDINGS IDENTIFYING SIX DIFFERENT PROJECTS YOU'VE WORKED ON. HOW MANY OF THOSE INVOLVED A TEN YEAR PHASING PLAN FOR RENOVATIONS.

SO THE ONLY PROGRAM OF THOSE SIX THAT INVOLVED A RENOVATION PLAN OVER THAT LONG OF A DURATION FROM A HISTORIC COMPONENT WOULD BE THE PORTLAND BUILDING IN PORTLAND, OREGON. NOW COLLECTIVELY WE'VE WORKED ON PROJECTS LIKE THE SEATTLE MUNICIPAL TOWER, WHICH IS SMT CITY HALL IN DOWNTOWN SEATTLE THAT WAS SPANNED OVER A TEN YEAR PERIOD, BUT IT WAS BECAUSE IT INCLUDED PHASED RENOVATIONS OF FLOORS AS CITY TENANTS MOVED FROM OTHER FACILITIES. SO IN IS SET OUT TO BREAK IT UP OVER A TEN YEAR PLAN.

THAT ISN'T TYPICALLY DONE. BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT PHASING TENANTS IN, THAT'S SOMETHING DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE FACILITY THAT'S BEEN DONE IN SEVERAL OF THOSE INSTANCES. DO ANY OF THOSE SIX CITY HALL BUILDINGS INCLUDE THE BOSTON CITY HALL? THAT IS NOT ONE OF THE ONES IN OUR SCOPE. OKAY.

THOSE SIX CITY HALL BUILDINGS THAT YOU WERE ENGAGED TO DEVISE RENOVATION PLANS, DID YOU.

AFTER GETTING INVOLVED IN THE ENGAGEMENT AND DOING RESEARCH, DETERMINED THAT THE BUILDING WAS UNSALVAGEABLE AND SHOULD BE ABANDONED.

IN NONE OF THESE INCIDENTS. WELL, ACTUALLY, I TAKE THAT BACK IN ONE OF THE INSTANCES WE WERE BROUGHT IN EARLY ON IN THE PROGRAM TO DO AN EVALUATION OF THE FEASIBILITY OF CITY OPERATIONS IN CERTAIN FACILITIES.

AND AFTER DOING AN OPERATIONAL ASSESSMENT OF THE CITY COMPONENTS THERE, IT WAS DEEMED UNFEASIBLE FOR CITY OPERATIONS.

AND THAT WAS IN KENT, WASHINGTON. SO OUTSIDE OF SEATTLE BUT IT WAS NOT DUE TO ANY STRUCTURAL AND OR RELATED COMPONENTS OF FACILITY.

IT WAS PURELY OPERATIONAL IN NATURE. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MISS BLAIR, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WAS FEVERISHLY WRITING WE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THIS WAS NOT TELECOM SPECIFIC. HAS ANYONE SPOKEN TO OUR TELECOM PROVIDER TO FIND OUT IF THE BUILDING COULD I TURN IT AROUND AND ASK YOU TO SPEAK INTO YOUR MICROPHONE, PLEASE? YES YOU CAN. AND HOW'S THAT? IS THAT BETTER? NEVER BEEN TOLD.

I, I SPEAK, I SPEAK SOFTLY, BUT OKAY, SO WE SPOKE ABOUT TELECOM.

I'M FROM TELECOM 35 YEARS WITH, WITH THE, WITH AT&T.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART IS THAT WE, OUR TECHNOLOGY IS OUTDATED AND, AND SOMETIMES JUST INOPERABLE. I HAVE AN OLD HOUSE AND GETTING TELECOM IN MY HOME IS ALSO DIFFICULT BECAUSE I HAVE REAL WALLS. I DON'T HAVE CONCRETE WALLS, BUT I HAVE REAL WALLS AND I NEED REPEATERS IN A IN A SMALLER HOUSE BECAUSE I CAN'T GET MY SIGNAL FROM TO GO THROUGH MY WALLS. THEY DEFINITELY DON'T GO THROUGH CONCRETE.

SO HAVE WE EVEN SPOKEN WITH ANYONE FROM THE TELECOM PROVIDER TO SAY, CAN THIS BUILDING HAVE UPDATED

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SO THIS WOULD INCLUDE PHONES, EVEN SCREENS AND CONFERENCE ROOMS WHERE WE WOULD HAVE WIRELESS ACCESS POINTS, BROADCAST EQUIPMENT. ALL OF THAT WAS COMPLETED DURING THE PREVIOUS ENGAGEMENT.

SO, BUT THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT WHAT THAT ENTAILS.

AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE ITEMIZATION OF WHAT IS NEEDED AND WHAT IS NOT NEEDED BECAUSE IN THEIR REPORT, IT SAYS IT DOESN'T IT HAS NOT LOOKED AT THAT.

SO SO WE MAY HAVE LOOKED AT IT AT A DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT WITH A DIFFERENT PROVIDER.

I'M ASKING, HAVE THEY LOOKED INTO IT? SO THEY HAVE NOT.

BUT WE DID SHARE THE NTI STUDY WITH THEM AND MADE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO THEM.

IT'S INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE THAT WE RECEIVED.

I THOUGHT THE NTI STUDY WAS ONE OF THE MOST THOROUGH STUDIES THAT WE HAD OUR HANDS ON.

THEY STUDIED A LOT OF THE LOW VOLTAGE, THE AUDIO VISUAL, THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS, EVERYTHING WAS MENTIONED.

BUT THE INTERESTING THING IS THAT WE QUIT USING TWISTED PAIR OF COPPER RIGHT A LONG TIME AGO AND USE VOICE OVER INTERNET PROTOCOL AND FIBER, RIGHT. AND FIBER SO THAT WE'RE BRINGING FIBER TO THE WORKSTATIONS.

AND SO THE QUESTION BECOMES, DO WE NEED TO HAVE WI-FI? YES, I THINK YOU NEED TO HAVE WI-FI IN YOUR BUILDING.

AND I HAD THE OCCURRENCE TO BE ON A TOUR WHERE I HAD TO ATTEND A TEAMS MEETING.

AND SO I HAD MY PHONE AND A TEAMS MEETING ON STARTING ON LEVEL ONE, WE WORKED OUR WAY UP ALL THE WAY TO THE SEVENTH FLOOR.

I NEVER LOST THE SIGNAL FOR MY VIDEO CALL. IN THAT PROCESS OF GETTING ON AN ELEVATOR, GOING INTO HALLWAYS, GOING UP AND DOWN CONCRETE STAIRWELLS WENT DOWN TO LEVEL L2 AND L1.

NEVER LOST MY SIGNAL ONE TIME IN THIS ENTIRE BUILDING, AND I WAS IN STORAGE ROOMS ON THE L2 AND THEY STILL HAD THE SIGNAL.

SO THERE IS A TREMENDOUS DISTRIBUTED ANTENNA SYSTEM IN THIS BUILDING ALREADY.

YOU'RE LUCKY. SOME DAYS I CAN'T, I GET I CAN'T EVEN I CAN'T EVEN DRIVE DOWN THE RAMP AND, AND KEEP AND CONTINUE A PHONE CALL OR LEAVE THE L1 AND KEEP MY PHONE WORKING. SO YOU WERE LUCKY I DIDN'T.

SO LET ME MOVE ON. I WAS IN THE BUILDING, NOT IN THE GARAGE.

WELL, MR. MAYOR, IF I COULD JUST JUMP IN FOR JUST A SECOND.

AND DON IS VERY LUCKY THAT THAT HAPPENED TO YOU.

SO THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT. I WANTED TO JUST MENTION THAT AS PART OF WHEN THEY'RE COMPLETED WITH THEIR THEIR DELIVERABLES, ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO ADD BACK TO THE OVERALL PROGRAM, WHETHER IT'S THE MODERNIZATION, SOME OF THE TECHNOLOGY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE KNOW HAS BEEN DISCUSSED.

AND THAT'S COME UP SEVERAL TIMES. THOSE WOULD BE THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER AS THOSE ADD ONS THAT WE WOULD BE TELLING OR ASKING COUNCIL THAT THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE THINK ALSO GO INTO MORE OF THAT LONG TERM SOLUTION.

AND I'LL GIVE YOU A GOOD EXAMPLE. AND A LOT OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD, EVEN WITH OUR EMPLOYEES, WE STILL GET THE QUESTION OFTEN ABOUT WHY CAN'T WE REESTABLISH THE CAFETERIA ON THE SEVENTH FLOOR? AND WE DEFINITELY KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME BARRIERS AND THERE ARE SOME LIMITATIONS TO WHAT WE CAN DO.

SO IF THAT WOULD BE PART OF THAT WOULD BE PART OF KIND OF SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT MAY NOT BE EXACTLY IN THE REPLACEMENT AND THE REPAIR PIECE.

BUT IF THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ARE ADDRESSED, THEN WE WOULD ADD THOSE TO WHATEVER FINAL DELIVERABLES THAT WE RECEIVE FROM THIS TEAM. SO I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO MISS THE OPPORTUNITY TO TELL YOU, EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY NOT BE DOING THE ANALYSIS OF IT, IT HAS BEEN DONE. WE HAVE ESTIMATES ON REPAIRS THAT ARE NEEDED ON THE SEVENTH FLOOR.

THAT'S TOTALLY SEPARATE FROM WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED TODAY, THAT WE COULD DEFINITELY GO BACK AND SAY THESE WOULD BE THINGS THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY ALSO NEED TO CONSIDER GOING FORWARD. SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WE DO NEED TO RECONSIDER THE SEVENTH FLOOR CAFETERIA, BECAUSE IF WE NEED TO REALLY GET A QUICK MEAL, IT'S NO WAY FOR US TO DO SO TODAY.

IN SEPTEMBER 1976, A HAD A NEWS REPORT SHOWING WATER INFILTRATION IN L2 PARKING LOT.

TODAY, WATER INFILTRATION STILL OCCURS. SAYING THAT THE CITY WAS WAS GETTING A SAYING THAT THE CITY WAS GETTING NEW BUILDING AND THAT THE EMPLOYEES WERE ALSO GETTING A FREE CAR WASH.

WE HAVE NOT YET. WE HAVE TO GO LOOK AT THE 1976WFAA NEWS REPORT.

I CAN SEND IT TO YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE. AND IT SHOWS WATER INFILTRATION ON L2 EVEN BEFORE THE BUILDING WAS WAS COMPLETED. SO WE. AND SO CAN YOU PLEASE ADDRESS HOW STRUCTURALLY WE'LL NEED TO

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WELL, WE'VE LOOKED AT THE EXPANSION JOINTS IN THIS BUILDING.

THAT IS THE SOURCE OF THE WATER COMING IN. AND WHAT I'VE NOTICED IS A SINGLE ROW OF BACKER ROD AND CORKING NEAR THE TOP. WHEN WE WALK THROUGH THE PLAZA, THERE WAS AN EXPOSED CONDITION WHERE THERE WAS SOME BACKER ROD AND CAULKING SHOWING ONE LAYER OF BACKER ROD, ONE LAYER OF CAULKING. WE ROUTINELY DO THREE LAYERS OF BACKER ROD AND CAULKING IN THAT IN THAT SYSTEM.

SO THAT EXPANSION JOINT IS THREE INCHES WIDE, MAYBE TWO AND A HALF.

I DIDN'T MEASURE IT, BUT IT'S TWO AND A HALF TO THREE INCHES WIDE, AND IT'S GOING TO BE THE THICKNESS AT 8 TO 10IN OF THE SLAB.

AND IF YOU PUT IN MULTIPLE LAYERS OF BACKER ROD AND CAULKING, IT DOES NOT ALLOW THE WATER TO GET INTO THE GARAGE BELOW PERIOD.

AND THEN IF WE HAVE A ROOF MEMBRANE ON TOP OF THAT GARAGE THAT SPANS OVER THAT CAULKED AND BACKER ROD FILLED JOINT, I HAVE NO DOUBT WE CAN KEEP WATER OUT OF THIS PARKING GARAGE.

IT'S GETTING IN BECAUSE THE SYSTEM THAT THEY PUT IN, AGAIN, BACK IN THE 70S, WE DIDN'T DO DOUBLE AND TRIPLE BACKER ROD CAULKING JOINTS AND EXPANSION JOINTS. AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE ELASTOMERIC MATERIALS THAT WE USE NOW FOR EXPANSION JOINT COVER.

SO I JUST THINK THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE'LL BE DOING AS A NORMAL COURSE OF ACTION THAT WILL MITIGATE THE ISSUE.

NOW THE SWIMMING POOL, THE SWIMMING POOL, THE REFLECTING POOL IS A SOURCE OF WATER YEAR ROUND.

THEY FOUND CHLORINE SAMPLES IN ALL THE TESTING THAT BELHAVEN SHOWED US, BELHAVEN FOUND CHLORINE IN ALL OF THE AREAS AROUND THE REFLECTING POOL, SO THEY KNOW THAT THAT CHLORINE IS COMING FROM.

THAT'S THE ONLY WATER THAT'S BEING TREATED. THE CITY TREATS IT WITH CHLORINE AND SOME OTHER ADDITIVES, SO IT NEUTRALIZES THE PH. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE POOL IS CONTRIBUTING TO THE WATER THAT'S GETTING IN THE GARAGE, AND IT'S GETTING IN THROUGH THE EXPANSION JOINTS. THE POOL HAS A LEAK.

THE POOL HAS EXPANSION JOINTS, WHICH IS A FIRST FOR ME.

I HAVEN'T BEEN IN TOO MANY SWIMMING POOLS WITH EXPANSION JOINTS IN THEM.

TOO MANY POOLS WITH EXPANSION JOINTS IN THEM.

THIS ONE HAS AN EXPANSION JOINT IN THE REFLECTING POOL OR TWO.

SO WE NEED TO GET THOSE FIXED. WE NEED TO RECOAT THAT SWIMMING POOL.

THE REFLECTING POOL. I'M SO SORRY. LET ME GET A LITTLE TIRED.

SORRY. BUT IT'S DOABLE. TO GIVE YOU A FLAVOR OF HOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ATTACKING THIS, ONE OF THE FIRST MOVES WE MAKE EARLY ON IN OUR TEN YEAR PLAN IS TO TACKLE THE EXPANSION JOINTS IN A VERY AGGRESSIVE WAY.

ONCE WE'VE COMPLETED THE EXPANSION JOINTS, WE'RE GOING TO EVALUATE THE POOL AND HOW MUCH IS LEAKING THERE.

AND ONCE WE GET COMFORTABLE THERE, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO EXAMINE WHAT'S CALLED WHAT WE CALL THE ROOF OVER THE PARKING GARAGE.

YOU TALKED ABOUT THE PITCH AND THE TAR, AND WE'RE GOING TO ASSESS THE CONDITION OF THAT SO WE CAN ATTACK IT SEQUENTIALLY.

AND IF AT ANY PART DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME WE DISCOVER WE THINK WE'VE SOLVED THE PROBLEM, THEN WE'LL STOP. IT'S YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD SOME PEOPLE SAY YOU'RE JUST TEARING EVERYTHING OUT AND STARTING ALL OVER AGAIN.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A SEQUENTIAL LOOK AT A CHRONIC PROBLEM.

SO TO DO ALL THAT IS THAT YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A MINOR THING, BUT IS IT A MINOR COST OR IS IT COSTLY TO DO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? WELL WE TALKED ABOUT USING HOLES POTHOLES TO GO DOWN AND LOOK AT THE JOINT COVER.

AND SO MAYBE GO OUT THERE AND DIG A TEN BY TEN BY FIVE FOOT DEEP HOLE TO SEE WHAT THE EXPANSION JOINT CONDITION IS TODAY.

AND LOOK AT HOW MUCH BACKER ROD AND CAULKING THEY HAVE IN THAT JOINT, AND SEE IF THEY HAVE A BELLOWS OR SOMETHING THAT SPANS THAT EXPANSION JOINT.

BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE HAVEN'T DONE THOSE POTHOLES.

THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO PHYSICALLY KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING IS TO DIG A HOLE AND EXPOSE IT.

SO THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND IF WE FIND THAT THE EXPANSION JOINT IS THE PROBLEM, BUT THE ROOF, THEY PUT A MEMBRANE DOWN, THEY PUT SOME OF THAT COAL TAR PITCH IN FOUR PLY ROOF MATERIAL ON TOP OF THAT DECK, JUST LIKE YOU HAVE ON THE TOP OF THE BUILDING, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT CONDITION IT'S IN, SO WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A MINOR COST OR A MAJOR COST TO DO THE WORK. COMPARED TO THE BUDGET THAT I'VE SEEN TO REPAIR THIS PROBLEM.

IT'S A MINOR COST BY COMPARISON. OKAY. REPAIRING CITY HALL DOESN'T MAKE SENSE UNLESS STAFF AND COUNCIL COMMITS TO BEGIN FUNDING NEEDED FUTURE MAINTENANCE.

THERE WILL BE AN ANNUAL PREVENTIVE REPAIR. I HAD TO WRITE SOME OF THIS DOWN SO I CAN REMEMBER AN ANNUAL PREVENTIVE REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE

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I'M ASKING THE CITY MANAGER AS WELL AS, AS, AS OUR OUR CONTRACTORS HERE.

HAS ANYONE BEEN TASKED? I GUESS IT'S MORE FOR THE CITY MANAGER.

HAS ANYONE BEEN TASKED FOR DETERMINING WHAT WILL WHAT NEEDS TO BE BUDGETED FOR THIS EXPENSE, AND HOW WILL WE MAKE SURE THAT IT IS FUNDED THROUGH THE BUDGETING PROCESS FROM COUNCIL OVER THE PERIOD OF TIME, IN ORDER TO GET THE WORK DONE AND TO KEEP IT UP TO DATE? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. SO PART OF THE THE ANALYSIS THAT THE TWO TEAMS ARE COMPLETING FOR US IS TO LAY OUT THIS TEN YEAR PROGRAM.

AND THEN BASED ON THE PRIORITIZATION OF THE DIFFERENT SCOPES THAT WOULD BE NEEDED OVER THAT PERIOD, WHETHER IT'S TWO THINGS IN ONE YEAR, THREE THINGS IN YEAR THREE OR WHAT HAVE YOU, THEN WE WOULD DEFINITELY BE LOOKING AT HOW TO FINANCIALLY PLAN TO DEVELOP THE FINANCIAL PLAN AROUND IT. AND AS YOU KNOW, WE WE HAVE TWO.

WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE TAKE CARE OF OUR BUSINESS.

WE EITHER HAVE CASH OR WE USE CREDIT CARD. AND SO IN THIS PARTICULAR EXAMPLE, WE WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE TO DETERMINE WHAT IS BEING DONE.

IF IT'S SIMPLY JUST REPAIRS AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY REPLACEMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO LAST, YOU KNOW, 20 YEAR PERIOD, YOU DEFINITELY WOULD NOT WANT TO USE THE CREDIT CARD FOR THOSE.

YOU WOULD DEFINITELY BE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO YOU PUT THEM TOGETHER? A BUDGET THAT INCLUDES THE CASH TO BE ABLE TO DO THOSE THINGS. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A PART OF OF ONGOING DUE DILIGENCE. I KNOW THAT THERE WILL PROBABLY NOT BE ONE COUNCIL MEMBER AROUND THIS HORSESHOE IN TEN YEARS.

SO WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DEFINITELY SETTING UP FUTURE COUNCILS, FUTURE TEAMS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE DOING THE WORK TO BE ABLE TO SHOW HOW THAT FUNDING WOULD BE AVAILABLE. SO THE PLANNING THAT WE WILL BRING BACK WILL ACTUALLY BE THE FINANCIAL COMPONENT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE REQUESTS THAT WE HAD FROM COUNCIL, IS TO LOOK AT FINANCIAL PLANS AND HOW WE WOULD TAKE CARE OF EITHER REPAIR PROGRAM, OR IF WE WERE TO DO A RELOCATION. SO THAT'LL BE A PART OF THE ONGOING.

ANALYSIS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO, TO BRING AND BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE.

BUT THOSE WOULD BE THE TWO WAYS THAT I THINK THAT YOU WILL SEE WHEN WE COME BACK WITH THAT INFORMATION.

BUT IT'S DEFINITELY ABOUT MAKING SURE I THINK THE WORDS MAXIMIZE RESOURCES.

WHAT'S WHAT DO YOU DO FIRST, SECOND OR LAST? AND I THINK IT'S BACK AGAIN TO THEN THE AVAILABILITY OF THE BODY OF WORK, THE CONTRACTORS, THE CONSISTENCY, THE STARTING, THE STOPPING THE LABOR. IT'S GOING TO BE SO MANY PIECES OF THAT THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PLAN OUT AND THEN LET THE FINANCIAL PLAN KIND OF WRAP AROUND IT.

SO THAT'S A VERY LONG ANSWER, BUT IT'S NOT AN EASY PIECE FOR US.

IT'S GOING TO BE A PART OF WHAT WE HAVE TO DO ONCE THEY'VE COMPLETED THEIR DELIVERABLES.

I HOPE THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. YES. BUT YES IT DID.

BUT SO LET ME ASK A QUESTION. IN REGARDS TO THE REMEDIATION OF ASBESTOS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES IN PARTICULAR WHEN IT COMES INTO THE RESTROOMS AND THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TO REMOVE THINGS.

WILL YOU BE SHUTTING DOWN AC UNITS? ABESTOS DOES NOT FLOW FROM ONE AREA TO ANOTHER.

AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO THE BUILDING? IF YOU NEED AC IN A LOCATION THAT'S BEING REMEDIATED? I MENTIONED EARLIER TODAY AIR BARRIERS. AIR BARRIERS WILL BE ERECTED AT THE AT THE EDGE OF THE ABATEMENT.

AND THAT AIR BARRIER WILL BE AIR TIGHT. SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE BUILDING IS POSITIVELY PRESSURIZED, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO NEGATIVELY PRESSURIZE THE ABATEMENT AREA.

WE'RE GOING TO BE DRAWING THE PRESSURE DOWN IN THAT ZONE.

SO ANY AIR THAT EVER LEAKED WOULD LEAK FROM THE POSITIVE SIDE TO THE NEGATIVE SIDE, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

SO THE THE ASBESTOS LADEN AIR WOULD NEVER BE LEAKED INTO THE POSITIVELY PRESSURED ZONE.

THE SYSTEM IS SHUT DOWN AND THEY'LL HAVE A NEGATIVE PRESSURE WITH HEPA FILTERS.

BUT WAS YOUR OTHER QUESTION HOW TO GET AIR CONDITIONING INTO THE AREA THAT'S BEING ABATED? WELL, IF YOU HAVE AN AREA, CAN I PLEASE MAYOR.

YEAH. GO AHEAD. OKAY. ONE MORE TIME. JUST ASK THE EXACT SAME QUESTION.

IF YOU ARE REMEDIATING A PLACE AND YOU YOU'RE, YOU'RE HAVE SOMEONE EITHER UNDERNEATH OR ABOVE HOW AND YOU HAVE AIR IN THAT AREA THAT'S NEEDED FOR THOSE EMPLOYEES.

WILL YOU STILL BE ABLE TO REMEDIATE THE ASBESTOS WITHOUT IMPACTING THE, THE, THE, I MEAN,

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I MEAN, THAT'S THE BEAR. I MEAN, YEAH, THE AIR.

THAT'S THE AIR BARRIER THAT SEPARATES THE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE ABATEMENT AREA FROM THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT IN THE ABATEMENT AREA.

THE GUYS IN THE HAZMAT SUITS ARE ON THE INSIDE.

NOBODY ELSE SHOULD BE AFFECTED BY IT ON THE OUTSIDE.

MR.. BAZALDUA, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU MAYOR.

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. I'LL ECHO THE SENTIMENT OF MY APPRECIATION.

I FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN A LONG PROCESS THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY HAVING AN HONEST CONVERSATION.

SO THIS IS THE TYPE OF INFORMATION WE NEED TO MAKE A SOUND DECISION.

THANK YOU ALL. THE A BASELINE HAS AN ACCURACY RANGE THAT YOU ALL HAVE ALLUDED TO AS WELL, BUT GOES UNDER 30% AS FAR UP AS 50%. THAT'S A HIGH END. WE KEEP SAYING THE 329 NUMBER, BUT THAT'S A HIGH END OF NEARLY 500 MILLION.

AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF WIGGLE ROOM, IF YOU WILL, ESPECIALLY WITH THE SPECIFIC FINDINGS YOU ALL ARE, ARE TALKING ABOUT ON HOW IT CAN BE ADDRESSED INSTEAD OF A BLANKET APPROACH THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED TO US ALL OR NOTHING, BASICALLY. SO I UNDERSTAND YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE ACTION TO TIGHTEN A LITTLE BIT OF THAT RANGE FOR THE JUNE 3RD, BUT HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE US A MORE REFINED ESTIMATE WITHOUT GIVING A LOWER GRADE? YEAH. LAST ESTIMATE. SO AT LEAST FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE AND I'LL LET WILL AND TEAM ANSWER AS WELL.

WHAT WE ARE TASKED TO DO IS TO TAKE THE FINDINGS, ESTIMATES AND RELATED FROM THE REPORT, PUT IT INTO A LOGICAL SEQUENCE OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, UNDERSTAND THE IMPACTS OF THINGS LIKE OUR REFERENCE CODE, COMPLIANCE ADA AND OTHER MAY BE TRIGGERED AS A PART OF THAT PRICE, THAT AS A HOLISTIC SEQUENCE OF EVENTS INSTEAD OF JUST A LIKE FOR LIKE REPLACEMENT, LIKE WAS IN THE A RECORD REPORT AND THEN PUT A TIME PERIOD AND CONSIDERATIONS AROUND THAT.

NOW, AS I MENTIONED, PENDING HOW LONG THAT DURATION TAKES, THERE WILL BE AN ESCALATION NUMBER THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED YEAR OVER YEAR ON CERTAIN COMPONENTS THAT ARE DEFERRED TO LATER PHASES.

RIGHT. BUT I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE HAVE TO WORK OUT. AND SO I WOULD SAY ON THE REFINEMENT PIECE, IT'S REALLY ABOUT IN A TRUE SEQUENTIAL MANNER AND OPTION, HOW WOULD WE PRICE THAT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION AROUND IT. AND THESE ESTIMATES ARE ALSO WITH WHAT PERCENTAGE OF INFLATION TO ASSUME 2028 NUMBERS. SO THE NUMBERS THAT ARE IN THE A AECOM REPORT REPORT ARE PRICED IN 2028 NUMBERS.

SO THEY'RE ESCALATED TO 2028. SO ANYTHING WHAT WAS THE FORMULA TO GET TO THAT.

I BELIEVE WHAT THEY PRESENTED WAS A FLAT 10% FLAT TEN.

YES. AND IT WAS IN THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND IT WAS THEORETICALLY, THE CITY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PROCURE, LOCATE THE FUNDS AND TAKE ANY ACTION UNTIL AT LEAST 2028.

I GET THAT. I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TO TALK ABOUT THE CONTEXT.

WE'VE GOT ALREADY A BUILT IN 10%, AND WE'VE GOT ALL THE WAY UP TO A POTENTIAL 30% FLUCTUATION.

THESE ARE VERY SOFT NUMBERS. IT'S REALLY HARD TO ASK OUR VOTERS TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION WHEN WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST, ESPECIALLY WHENEVER THERE LACKS AN APPLE TO APPLES COMPARISON ON THE MULTIPLE SCENARIOS THAT THAT THIS PROCESS COULD, COULD, COULD END IN ONE IN PARTICULAR. IS DEMOLITION PART OF OUR RESOLUTION THAT WE PASSED ASKED FOR THE OPTIONS OF DISPOSITION OF THIS BUILDING AND DEMOLITION BEING ONE.

WE'VE TALKED SEVERAL TIMES. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN.

BY THE WAY, THANK YOU ALL FOR CLEARING UP A LOT OF THE FEAR MONGERING THAT ALSO TOOK PLACE. I DON'T THINK THAT IT WAS HELPFUL FOR THE MORALE, FOR PEOPLE TO THINK THAT THEY WERE WORKING IN A HAZARDOUS ENVIRONMENT.

AND SO I THINK THAT IT'S BEEN GREAT CLARIFICATION TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S WE'RE NOT PUTTING ANYONE IN DANGER.

IN FACT, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO TO LOOK AT THOSE EXPOSURES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN IF THERE WAS NOT ONLY THE ABATEMENT, BUT ALSO THE DEMOLITION OF THIS BUILDING. THOSE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE NEED TO BE HAVING. SO YOU WILL, YOU LOOKED LIKE YOU WANTED TO CHIME IN. YEAH.

LET ME LET ME COMMENT THIS WAY. I MEAN, WE, WE WILL HAVE SOME WIGGLE ROOM.

WE'LL HAVE SOME CONTINGENCY. THERE ARE TOO MANY UNKNOWN ISSUES WITHIN THE BUILDING THAT ARE REALISTIC.

I MEAN, I'VE SEEN OTHER BUDGETS THAT HAVE COME FROM THE CITY AND THEIR ORIGINAL BUDGET WAS OFF PEOPLE.

IT'S LIKE PEOPLE LOCKED IN ON THE 329 WHEN THERE'S A HUGE VARIATION IN THE ACCURACY OF THAT NUMBER.

WELL, WE BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TIGHTEN IT UP.

BUT WE STILL WILL HAVE CONTINGENCY. AND WE'LL NOTE WHERE WE THINK WE'RE VULNERABLE AND HAVE ISSUES OF THAT TYPE.

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SURE. AND THEY WERE VERY VOCAL. AND I GO, ANYBODY THAT CAN TELL YOU A REAL NUMBER IN YEAR EIGHT ON A TEN YEAR PLAN, YOU BETTER NOT. YOU BETTER RUN. YEAH. YOU JUST IT'S NOT THERE.

OKAY. AND THIS TEN YEAR CYCLE THAT WE HAVE IS GOING TO STILL HAVE A HEALTHY AMOUNT OF UNCERTAINTY THE LONGER IT GOES ON.

WELL, I MEAN, I APPRECIATE AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO NEED TO BE CONTINGENCY BUILT IN. I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME FLUCTUATION, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CLASS OF ESTIMATE THAT WE ARE EVEN STARTING FROM IN THE BASELINE.

HOWEVER, ONE THING I DIDN'T HEAR FROM ANYBODY THAT'S PRESENTED TODAY IS THAT BILLION DOLLAR NUMBER, WHICH WAS WHAT WAS FOCUSED ON THE ENTIRE TIME WE GOT OUR FIRST PRESENTATION.

AND SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE TRUE, HONEST CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING.

INSTEAD OF JUST SEEKING HEADLINES, WE AVOID THE B WORD.

I APPRECIATE THAT. SO. HAS ANY ANALYSIS BEEN CONDUCTED OR IS ANY PLANNED COMPARING THE COST OF REPAIRING CITY HALL AGAINST THE COST OF BUILDING OR LEASING COMPARABLE NEW CITY FACILITY? I KNOW THAT WE HAD MULTIPLE DIRECTIVES IN OUR RESOLUTION, BUT I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES BY PEOPLE WHO GAVE DIRECTION. AND ALSO IT WAS RE-ARTICULATED FROM STAFF THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR APPLES TO APPLES.

I GET THIS AS BEING PARCELED OUT, BUT WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET TO SEE COMPARATIVE OPTIONS WITH DOLLAR SIGNS? SO I'LL JUMP IN AND START THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.

AND WE ARE DEFINITELY AWARE OF EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE MARCH THE 4TH RESOLUTION.

I'VE SENT THREE MEMOS SINCE MARCH THE 4TH TO SHARE HOW WE'RE APPROACHING ALL OF THE ELEMENTS IN THE MARCH 4TH RESOLUTION, JUST SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING TRANSPARENT.

TODAY, AS PART OF YOUR CLOSED SESSION, THERE IS A CONVERSATION TO GET AN UPDATE ON RELOCATION OPTIONS THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION, AS WE'VE DONE PREVIOUSLY, AND AS WE COMPLETE THE WORK THAT THIS TEAM IS DOING, AS WELL AS THE ADDITIONAL WORK THAT'S BEING DONE ON THAT COMPONENT.

THE GOAL IS TO BRING YOU THAT SIDE BY SIDE, SO WE ARE WORKING TO GET THERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA. WE'RE NOT THERE TODAY AND DEFINITELY KNOW THAT THAT IS PART OF WHAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED, AND WE ARE MINDFUL OF THAT AND WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS THAT AS THAT IS JUST NOT WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.

SO I'M HOPING THAT AS THIS TEAM CONTINUES TO DO THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR THEM TO DO.

WE ARE THANKFUL TO HAVE THIS TEAM OF EXPERTS.

WE DEFINITELY KNOW THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THE ASSIGNMENT AND WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT.

SO WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO YOU SOON AS WE CAN TO GIVE YOU THAT COST, THAT GIVE YOU THAT ANALYSIS THAT TRULY SHOWS ALL COST IN WHETHER IT'S A REPAIR, RELOCATE WITH ALL THE PIECES SO YOU CAN BE ABLE TO, TO TRULY SEE THAT.

SO THAT IS FORTHCOMING. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

YEAH. THANK YOU. THAT'S A GOOD SEGUE TO MY NEXT QUESTION FROM THE JUNE 3RD PRESENTATION.

WHAT WE'RE GOING TO EXPECT IS GOING TO HAVE PRELIMINARY COST ESTIMATES THAT ARE GOING TO BE TIGHTENED UP.

BUT WHAT IS THE DECISION TIMELINE AFTER THAT? WILL THE COUNCIL BE ASKED TO MAKE ANY SPECIFIC DECISIONS ON A REPAIR PLAN PRIOR TO AN APPROVAL AND PASSAGE OF THE 27 FISCAL YEAR BUDGET? THAT DEPENDS ON WHAT WE HEAR FROM YOU ALL.

WE'RE DEFINITELY STEPPING OUR WAY THROUGH THIS. I THINK JUNE 3RD WILL BE A GOOD FOLLOW UP CONVERSATION TO TODAY, WHICH WILL BE THE PHASE TWO. HOPEFULLY, YOU WOULD HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT YOU'LL GET IN CLOSED SESSION.

AND THEN BASED ON KIND OF WHERE WE ARE, THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND CONTINUE TO REFINE AND DEVELOP THE THE TIMELINE.

AS I'VE SAID PUBLICLY BEFORE, I THINK I SAID THIS IN APRIL, I SAID IT AGAIN DURING THE MONTH OF MARCH DURING THE COUNCIL CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSION.

WE ARE CURRENTLY PLANNING FOR THE BUDGET, WHICH WILL COVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS, THE 27 AND THE 28 TIME FRAME.

AND SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE DO AS WE LABOR OVER THE BUDGET THIS ENTIRE SUMMER, WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO GO INTO IT NOT FULLY UNDERSTANDING WHICH DIRECTION THE COUNCIL MIGHT BE GOING, SO WE CAN PLAN ACCORDINGLY. SO WE WILL BE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

I KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE POLLING AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS, BUT WE'RE DEFINITELY TRYING TO GET TO CLARITY AND GUIDANCE AND HOPEFULLY THAT'S WHAT WE'LL GET BEFORE YOU HEAD INTO THE SUMMER. THANK YOU.

SO HEADING INTO THE SUMMER, WE KIND OF GOT A CLOCK TICKING.

AND WITH HOW MUCH VOCAL WE'VE HEARD OUR RESIDENTS OVERWHELMINGLY OPPOSE AND HAVE BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF PRESERVING CITY HALL. WHAT TYPE OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS ARE YOU PLANNING TO BUILD IN? FOR US TO HAVE BEFORE ANY OF THOSE DECISIONS WOULD BE MADE.

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I WOULD SAY THAT WE WILL DO OUR PART TO ENSURE THAT ALL OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING, THE TRANSPARENCY AROUND IT, THAT WE WILL CONTINUE WE HAVE NOT ELIMINATED ANY TYPE OF COMMUNICATION OR ENGAGEMENT WITH THE PUBLIC.

AND DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OPPORTUNITIES ARE GIVEN.

BUT AS WE NEVER TELL COUNCIL MEMBERS HOW TO ENGAGE OR HOW NOT TO ENGAGE WHAT MEETINGS TO DO TOWN HALLS.

I THINK MY STAFF IN THE LAST 90 DAYS, WE'VE BEEN INVITED TO SEVERAL MEETINGS THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE HOLDING INDIVIDUALLY OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.

WE WELCOME THAT AND DEFINITELY WILL PARTICIPATE AS REQUESTED.

WELL, JUST TO THAT POINT, I HAVE YET HAD MINE BECAUSE WE STILL HAVEN'T BEEN GIVEN INFORMATION WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO TO THE PUBLIC UNTIL WE HAVE THE EXHAUSTIVE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE REQUESTED IN THE RESOLUTION.

THAT WILL GIVE US APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON.

SO I CAN GET TRUE DIRECTIVE AND FEEDBACK INSTEAD OF JUST ANECDOTAL CONVERSATIONS WITH MY CONSTITUENTS.

I'LL WAIT FOR ROUND TWO. THANK YOU, MR. ROTH.

YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU.

EXCELLENT PRESENTATION. THIS IS THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR.

THIS IS THIS IS REFRESHING. THIS IS THOUGHTFUL.

IT'S CREATIVE. WHEN I'M FIXING A BUILDING UP, YOU'RE THE FOLKS.

AND THIS IS THE TYPE OF ANSWERS THAT I'M EXPECTING TO HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE THAT I'M HIRING TO GIVE ME ADVICE ON HOW TO FIX MY BUILDINGS AS AN OWNER. AND I'M. AND USING THE OWNER'S VISION AS THE AS THE TEMPLATE.

I LOVE IT THAT YOU'RE COMING FROM THIS, FROM A CONTRACTOR'S FOCUS, FROM A VALUE ADDED AND VALUE EFFICIENCY FOCUS AND THAT YOU'RE BEING CREATIVE. THIS IS WHAT THIS IS HOW IT'S DONE IN THE REAL WORLD.

AND THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO. AND I'M, AND I'M.

THE PRESENTATION SETS THE BAR PRETTY HIGH FOR YOU ALL TO BE ABLE TO PERFORM ON THE NEXT LEVEL.

AND SO YOU'VE SET YOURSELF UP FOR A PRETTY SEVERE SITUATION, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE UP TO THE TASK.

AND, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE ASSEMBLED THE RIGHT TEAM.

IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE BEEN THOUGHTFUL. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FIX SOMETHING COST EFFECTIVELY, EFFICIENTLY, WITHOUT DISRUPTION AND UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME.

AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S AN EMERGENCY ON A THAT HAS TO BE DONE EVERYTHING AT ONCE.

I LOVE THE PROGRESSION. I LOVE THE PHASED IN.

I LOVE THE, THE, THE OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU CAN BRING TO US SOLUTIONS THAT ARE CREATIVE AND THAT ARE POSSIBLE AND THAT CREATE A WORKSHOP ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE CAN SORT OF EVALUATE THE KIA, THE CHEVROLET AND THE CADILLAC VERSIONS OF SOLUTIONS.

AND I. AND THAT'S HOW THIS PROCESS NEEDS TO BE HANDLED.

WHAT I AM ULTIMATELY REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT. AND, AND COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY HAS BROUGHT THIS TO THE POINT IS THAT THE NEXT PART OF THIS DELIBERATION IS REALLY CRITICAL AND THE EVALUATION OF SOME OF THESE IDEAS, DESIGN SUGGESTIONS, POSSIBLE WORKAROUNDS AND AND IDENTIFYING COSTS ARE REALLY GOING TO BE IMPORTANT TO ME PERSONALLY AND TO, I THINK ALL OF US DURING THE BUDGET SYSTEM SEASON THAT WE'RE ENTERING.

I DON'T WANT YOU ALL TO BE RUSHED ON THIS. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE BACK OF THE ENVELOPE STUFF.

I REALLY WANT YOU ALL TO HAVE THE TIME TO DO THE WORK PROPERLY.

AND I, AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF THE THAT IF IF MORE TIME NOT SUGGEST IF IT'S MORE TIME, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT MORE TIME IS NECESSARY FOR YOU ALL TO DO THIS JOB PROPERLY.

AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE JUNE 3RD DEADLINE IS A, IS A VERY AGGRESSIVE DEADLINE.

AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE ALLOW THESE FOLKS ENOUGH TIME TO TO REALLY LOOK AT IT, MAYBE THE END OF THE MONTH RATHER THAN THE BEGINNING OF THE MONTH.

IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, IF THAT WOULD BE INSTRUCTIVE, AND IF THAT WOULD BE MORE VALUABLE FOR US.

I DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH WITH NUMBERS THAT ARE HALF BAKED.

AND SO IF WE'RE SO I WOULD, I WOULD ASK THAT WE CONSIDER FROM THE CITY MANAGEMENT SIDE, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION JOHN AND YOUR GROUP

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THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT I'D LOVE TO ENGAGE WITH YOU ALL ON A PERSONAL LEVEL AS SUGGESTIONS AND AS UNDERSTANDING, BUT I THINK GENERALLY I LOVE THE APPROACH A. NUMBERS RELATE TO THE SCOPE OF WORK AND SO YOUR EVALUATION OF DESIGN AROUNDS, SUGGESTIONS. DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES WILL ALSO HELP INFORM US ON ON POTENTIAL COST OF BRACKETS AND LOOK THAT GOES TO EVERY ONE OF US IS CONCERNED ABOUT MONEY.

WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT TIMING. WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT DISRUPTION IN SERVICES.

I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

IS IT GOING TO BE CHEAPER ULTIMATELY? MAYBE NOT, BUT MAYBE IT'S OKAY, MAYBE IT'S OKAY.

AND MAYBE WE DECIDE AS WE GO ALONG WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO.

ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR FOR THE TIME. YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN YOU RECOGNIZE FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU SIR.

FIRST OFF COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA ASKED A QUESTION OF THE CITY MANAGER, AND I DIDN'T QUITE GET THE ANSWER STRAIGHT.

SO THE QUESTION IS, WHEN WILL THERE BE A VOTE OR A FIRST VOTE RELATED TO CITY HALL.

AND IF YOU COULD JUST CONFIRM THERE'LL BE NO VOTE BEFORE JUNE 3RD OR ON JUNE 3RD, OR WHAT THAT TIMING LOOKS LIKE.

I'M JUST REALLY LOOKING FOR A DATE. SO I DID NOT GIVE A DATE.

AND I'LL THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. COUNCILWOMAN. MENDELSOHN. AND I'LL GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID TO COUNCILMAN BAZALDUA. OKAY, BUT I DON'T WANT THE LONG ANSWER. JUST LIKE A DATE. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE ANSWER BASED ON MY RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION.

SO AS I SHARED WITH COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA, WE HAVE SENT MEMOS OUTLINING HOW WE'RE DELIVERING ON THE MARCH 4TH RESOLUTION.

WE'VE SHARED WHERE WE ARE TODAY. WE'VE ALSO SHARED THAT OUR PLAN IS TO COME BACK ON JUNE THE 3RD AND PROVIDE AN UPDATE FROM THIS TEAM ON PHASE TWO, AND AT THAT TIME, DEPENDENT ON ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR WHERE WE MIGHT BE, THEN WE WILL DETERMINE, BASED ON THE CONVERSATION AND THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL, WHAT'S NEXT? WHAT I'VE SAID PUBLICLY IN BOTH THE MONTH OF MARCH AND THE MONTH OF APRIL, AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN TODAY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTOOD IF COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REPAIR PROGRAM.

WE ARE CURRENTLY BUILDING THE BUDGET AND WE WANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND WHERE COUNCIL MIGHT BE.

SO AS WE GO INTO THE PLANNING FOR THE BUDGET FOR FY 26, I MEAN 27 AND 28, THAT WE KNOW WHETHER OR NOT IF WE NEED TO BE BUILDING ANYTHING INTO THE BUDGET. AND SO THAT IS MY ANSWER AS OF TODAY.

WELL, I WOULD CHALLENGE ANY COUNCIL MEMBER TO SAY THAT THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE A REPAIR BUDGET.

AND IN FACT, THE NICE LITTLE CLIP ABOUT THE CONVERSATION, ABOUT THE BOND WAS VERY MUCH ABOUT NOT USING DEBT TO DO FACILITY MAINTENANCE, WHICH ARGUABLY SHOULD BE GENERAL FUND DOLLARS, AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT WE HAD ARPA MONEY SITTING THERE AVAILABLE.

SO I WOULD SAY IMMEDIATE FEEDBACK IS PLEASE PLAN FOR A SIGNIFICANT FACILITY REPAIR, WHETHER IT'S FOR THIS BUILDING, WHETHER IT'S FOR FAIR PARK, WHETHER IT'S FOR KALITA HUMPHREYS, WHETHER IT'S FOR THE BATHHOUSE, WE HAVE ENOUGH THINGS THAT WE COULD PUT FACILITY MAINTENANCE DOLLARS TO THAT.

YOU SHOULD JUST PLAN FOR IT. ON SLIDE FOUR, YOU HAVE THE COUNCIL RESOLUTION AND WILL, I'M VERY GLAD YOU'RE WORKING ON THIS PROJECT.

AND FRANKLY, YOU AND DON ARE A BREATH OF FRESH AIR.

ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SAID, THOUGH, IS THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON AN IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, AND I'M GOING TO JUST READ WHAT THIS RESOLUTION SAYS.

DEVELOP A REPAIR PROGRAM NOT INTERESTED IN IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, A REPAIR PROGRAM THAT PRIORITIZES THE MOST CRITICAL NEEDS FOR CITY HALL AND CITY HALL PLAZA.

THAT'S WHAT THE RESOLUTION IS. SO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT, THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT THE SCOPE.

AND IT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THE PREMISE THAT YOU HAVE, WHICH IS THE AECOM REPORT.

THE REPORT DOES NOT TALK ABOUT A REPAIR PROGRAM.

IT TALKS ABOUT TAKING THIS DOWN AND REPLACING IT WITH CLASS A, LIKE NEW CLASS A OFFICE SPACE.

WELL, NO ONE ASKED FOR THAT. THAT WAS LITERALLY NOT THE CHARGE.

AND THAT'S WHY YOU CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING CRAZY LIKE OVER $1 BILLION BECAUSE, WELL, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ASKED FOR.

SO WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT THESE REPORTS THAT YOU'RE GETTING FROM AECOM, I HOPE YOU'RE NOT TAKING THE AECOM SECTION.

I HOPE YOU'RE TAKING THE ACTUAL ESTIMATES. COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY AND I WERE ON A CALL WITH THE VENDOR THAT YOU WERE HIGHLY NOTING,

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BUT THE AECOM REPORT SAYS 60 MILLION PLUS. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET FROM 2.7 TO THE MAGICAL A AECOM NUMBER.

IT'S NOT OKAY. SO I HOPE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, YOU'RE NOT TAKING THAT 60 MILLION.

YOU'RE TAKING THE 2.7 MILLION. AND THEIR REPORT SAID, YEAH, YOU NEED CAULK.

I'M SORRY. CAULK SHOULD NOT BE PAID FOR WITH DEBT.

WE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE HAVING LIKE NEWS STORIES SAYING, OH, WE HAVE A TEN YEAR PLAN TO FIX CITY HALL.

THIS BRIEFING IS ACTUALLY ABOUT FIXING A COUPLE OF THINGS.

THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT NEED TO BE FIXED, BUT IT'S REALLY, HEY, HERE'S A TEN YEAR MAINTENANCE PLAN.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT IS MOSTLY MAINTENANCE.

AT LEAST WHEN I READ THE AECOM REPORT, THAT'S WHAT IT SAID AND WHY WE EVEN HEAR OVER AND OVER NEW FURNITURE.

FRANKLY, THERE'S A LOT OF NEW FURNITURE IN THIS BUILDING.

AND ONE OF THE DATA POINTS I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR FROM OUR CFO IS THE OBJECT CODE HISTORY OF BOTH REPAIRS IN THIS BUILDING FROM GENERAL FUND AND ENTERPRISE, AS WELL AS FURNITURE AND REFURBISHING, WHICH I THINK WE'VE HAD A LOT OF.

THANK YOU IS YOUR TIME. ALL RIGHT. MR. BAZALDUA RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. I JUST ASK, WHENEVER Y'ALL COME BACK ON JUNE 3RD, IF Y'ALL CAN INCLUDE WHAT SPECIFIC BUILDING CODES WOULD BE TRIGGERED IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MAJOR INTERIOR RENOVATION RATHER THAN TARGETED REPAIRS? I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY MENTIONED THAT SOME WOULD BE, BUT IF WE COULD SEE IT LISTED OUT ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND WHAT THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH TRIGGERING EACH CODE WOULD BE.

THE CURRENT BRIEFING HIGHLIGHTS AN ESCALATED BASELINE OF 329.4 MILLION.

CAN WE GET A REVIEW OR AT LEAST YOU ALL TO OPINE ON THE ESCALATED BASELINE OF 153.1 MILLION TO CLEARLY DISTINGUISH BETWEEN ESSENTIAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND ELECTIVE COSMETICS.

THE REASON I ASKED THAT IS NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE TWO DIFFERENT NUMBERS AND THEIR STARK DIFFERENCES, BUT ALSO BECAUSE OF THAT MARGIN OF ERROR THAT EXISTS WITH HOW THAT 329 NUMBER CAME ABOUT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

OH, EXCUSE ME, CAN I ASK YOU TO REPEAT THAT ON WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT YOU WANT US TO COMPARE OR DIG INTO? WE HAVE, WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL NUMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT.

AND THERE'S BEEN ONE THAT AI HAS BROUGHT UP THAT HAS BEEN 153 AND IT WAS SPECIFIC TO AN ESCALATED DIDN'T ADDRESS A FULL SCOPE SYSTEM. AND IT WAS, IT VARIED, I BELIEVE, FROM WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED NECESSITY VERSUS THAT OF COSMETICS. CAN JOHN, CAN YOU VERIFY WHAT OUR DAILY HEADCOUNT IS FOR EMPLOYEES PHYSICALLY WORKING IN THE BUILDING? SO BASED ON THE RECENT ENGAGEMENT THAT WE HAD WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION THROUGH CORGAN.

THERE'S AROUND 2200 PEOPLE THAT OFFICE IN THIS BUILDING.

AND THERE'S DOCUMENTATION FROM THE BUILDING OF THIS TO HOLD AN OCCUPANCY OF WHAT? I DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT I'M CERTAIN WE'RE UNDER THE CAPACITY.

I BELIEVE IT'S 2750. SO I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME WIGGLE ROOM, ESPECIALLY WITH SO MUCH VACANCY HERE.

I THINK THE SECOND FLOOR'S VACANCY, THE SEVENTH FLOORS VACANCIES.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN SAY WE'VE OUTGROWN THIS SPACE WHEN WE HAVE SO MUCH VACANCY THAT WE'VE ALLOWED TO EXIST.

MAY I ALSO ADD THAT PART OF THE STUDY THAT CORGAN MENTIONED IS THAT THE WAY THAT WE USE THE SPACE RIGHT NOW IS VERY INEFFICIENT.

SO WHILE YOU LOOK AT IT AND EVERYTHING IS USED, IF WE WERE TO TOTALLY REDESIGN AND HAVE STANDARDS THAT WOULD SIMPLIFY THE CUBE SIZES AND OFFICE SIZES, THAT'S WHERE YOU MAY GET SOME SAVINGS AND ACHIEVE ADDITIONAL EFFICIENCY IN THE BUILDING.

BUT AT ITS CURRENT CONFIGURATION, AS THE FORMER DIRECTOR OF THE FACILITIES DEPARTMENT, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD FIND THAT.

WELL, I THINK THAT'S GOOD. BUT I ALSO THINK THERE'S BLESSING IN DISGUISE WITH THAT VACANT SPACE THAT WE HAVE, BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE A GOOD TRANSITION PLACE FOR US TO DO A MORE TARGETED APPROACH IN A PHASED REPAIR PLAN.

WHAT IS SO IN LIGHT OF AECOM'S 11.8 MILLION FALSE CLAIMS ACT SETTLEMENT WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE REGARDING DISASTER RELIEF FUNDING INFLATION IN NEW ORLEANS, WHAT SPECIFIC AUDITING MEASURES OR THIRD PARTY OVERSIGHT MECHANISMS ARE WE IMPLEMENTING TO INDEPENDENTLY VERIFY THEIR COST ESTIMATES AND RISK ASSESSMENTS FOR THIS PROJECT? SO I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO ANY OF THIS AUDIT OR FINDINGS, BUT WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT ONE OF THE COMPONENTS THAT WE'VE INCLUDED IS THE PEER REVIEW

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SURE. AND IT SEEMS TO CONTRAST SOMEWHAT DRASTICALLY FROM THE DEFINITIVE TONE THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US.

SO I'M ASKING IF WE WERE GOING TO HAVE ANY SORT OF THIRD PARTY CHECKS AND BALANCES ON THE NUMBERS AS A WHOLE, ESPECIALLY IF WE SEE THAT THE SAME COMPANY HAS HAD ISSUES, INFLATION NUMBERS ELSEWHERE.

SO I'LL ANSWER THAT QUESTION. THANK YOU, MR. JOHNSON.

SO AS PART OF THE RESOLUTION FROM THE CITY COUNCIL IN DEVELOPING THE PROGRAM, IT DID NOT ASK FOR US TO GO BACK AND DO A VALIDATION.

BUT WHAT WE HAVE ASKED THIS TEAM TO DO, USING BEST PRACTICES, USING THEIR EXPERIENCE AND THEIR EXPERTISE OF SIMILAR PROJECTS, FOR THEM TO DO ANY KIND OF REDEFINE RE REFINEMENT OR CALIBRATION OF ANY OF THE NUMBERS AND MAKING SURE THAT AS THEY PRESENT THIS REPAIR PROGRAM, THAT WE COULD DEFINITELY SAY THAT THIS WOULD BE THE APPROACH AND WHAT THEY BELIEVE WOULD BE THE ESTIMATED COST FOR IT.

SO THERE WAS NOT AN UPDATE OR A REDO OF THE BASELINE.

THERE WAS NOT AN UPDATE OF THE FACILITIES CONDITION ASSESSMENT.

THEY HAVE ACCESS TO IT AND THEY ALSO HAVE FULL ACCESS TO THE A TEAM AS WELL.

I THINK THERE'S ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSIONS NOT ONLY WITH THE A TEAM, BUT WITH, I THINK SEVERAL OF THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT WERE INVOLVED IN DEVELOPING THE, THE FCA. WE WANTED THEM TO HAVE ACCESS SO THEY COULD ASK WHATEVER QUESTIONS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ASK.

SO WE'VE NOT TAKEN THAT. WE'VE NOT TAKEN THAT OFF LIMITS FROM THEM.

I'M JUST ASKING FOR US TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND MAKE SURE THAT THE COMPANIES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH ARE COMPLETELY VETTED, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF INFORMATION THAT HAS COME AND BEEN MADE PUBLIC.

I BELIEVE THAT SHOULD BE BEST PRACTICE AND SOMETHING WE SHOULD EXPECT.

THANK YOU. I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT I SAW SOMEONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE WHO HADN'T SPOKEN YET.

OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO GO TO JIM RIDLEY FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'D JUST LIKE TO SUPPLEMENT THE INFORMATION AS TO THE SOURCE OF THAT $153 MILLION COST ESTIMATE THAT COUNCILMAN BAZALDUA SPOKE ABOUT. THAT IS ON THE LAST PAGE OF THE A E COM ESTIMATION METHODOLOGY SUPPLEMENT FROM MARCH OF 2026, WHICH IS THE SECOND ITEM ON YOUR SLIDE 23.

SO APPARENTLY YOU HAVE BEEN PROVIDED WITH THAT.

THAT NUMBER REPRESENTS THE HARD CONSTRUCTION COST EXCLUDING CONTINGENCIES INDIRECT MARKUPS AND ESCALATION.

SO THAT'S JUST THE CORE CONSTRUCTION COST FOR ALL OF THEIR REPLACEMENT STRATEGY.

I BELIEVE THE ADA DALLAS NUMBER WAS 95 TO 100 MILLION BASED UPON THEIR COST ESTIMATE.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE RECEIVED THAT. WE CAN CERTAINLY ARRANGE TO GET THAT PRESENTATION TO YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CHAIRMAN JOHNSON, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I HAVE WITNESSED MASSIVE WATER WHEN IT COMES WHEN IT RAINS AND WHEN IT DOESN'T RAIN IN THE GARAGE AND UNDERGROUND.

SO COULD THE UNDERGROUND PARKING GARAGE BE SAFE TO CONTINUE USING DURING THE PLAZA DEMOLITION? WATERPROOF REPAIRS AND WATERPROOF REPAIRS. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? WILL THAT BE ABLE TO DO SO? SORRY. CAN YOU REPEAT? I THINK YOU SAID IS IT SAFE TO USE DURING THE UNDERGROUND PARKING GARAGE? BE SAFE TO CONTINUE USING DURING PLAZA DEMOLITION AND WATERPROOFING REPAIRS.

SO I THINK AT THIS POINT IN TIME THE STRATEGY THAT BOTH TEAMS ARE WORKING ON IS HOW WE WOULD PHASE THOSE REPAIRS.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THAT FULL ANSWER AS FAR AS HOW MUCH OF THE GARAGE WOULD BE AVAILABLE.

BUT I THINK THE CONSENSUS AT THIS POINT IN TIME IS THERE WOULD BE PARTS OF THE GARAGE THAT COULD REMAIN OPEN PENDING FINAL EXPIRATION OF THE GARAGE.

AS THEY LAID OUT, WE WOULD FOLLOW THE SAME APPROACH.

WE WOULD DO SOME POTHOLING TO LOOK AT KEY COMPONENTS, UNDERSTAND THE EXTENT OF THE ISSUES OF REPLACEMENT, AND THEN WORK A PHASE PLAN FROM THAT. AND THAT'LL BE PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

HOW WOULD DOES NOISE AND VIBRATION BE MANAGED IN AN OCCUPIED BUILDING.

I WOULD TAKE IT. ARE YOU SPEAKING ABOUT VIBRATION FROM MACHINES BEING USED IN SPACE? I THINK IT'S A FUNCTION OF SCHEDULING ANYTHING THAT IS DISTURBING THE TENANTS FROM A NOISE OR VIBRATION STANDPOINT BE SCHEDULED AFTER HOURS OUTSIDE OF NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS. AND I KNOW A LOT OF YOU WORK LONG HOURS HERE.

SO THE QUESTION BECOMES WHAT IS A WINDOW OF TIME? THE DIFFICULTY, AND I'VE DONE THIS A LOT WITH CORPORATE RELOCATIONS AND HEADQUARTERS.

YEAH. THE PROBLEM IS FINDING A TIME WHERE SOMEBODY ISN'T GOING TO BE AFFECTED.

AND IT'S HARD TO DO THAT FOR EVERYONE. BUT I THINK IF WE COULD ALL AGREE ON A START TIME, AND I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO STRUCTURE TONE FOR WHEN THEY THINK THE RIGHT TIME TO START. BUT I RECENTLY DID A CORPORATE PROJECT WHERE A NEW CREW CAME ON AT 6 P.M.,

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SO WHEN EVERYONE WALKED IN THE NEXT DAY, THERE WAS NO DUST ON THE FLOOR.

THERE WAS NO RESIDUAL DAMAGE TO THE SPACE. THE CARPET WAS CLEAN AND THAT WAS A A 6 TO 2 A.M.

SHIFT THAT THEY WORKED. SO I AGAIN, I WOULD SAY IT'S IT'S NEGOTIABLE.

AND WE SHOULD LOOK FOR A WINDOW WHEN IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR YOUR TEAM.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE PROCESS FOR REMEDIATING THE FACILITY TO REMOVE POTENTIAL HAZARDOUS MATERIALS? YEAH. AND SO I THINK WE JUST TALKED THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT JUST TO REITERATE THE ASBESTOS CONTAINING MATERIALS AND RELATED.

SO THE TEMPORARY PARTITIONS OF THE SPACE THAT WOULD BE BUILT OUT AND THE POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE AIRFLOW, RIGHT. AND AGAIN, WE HAVE SOME EXPERTS HERE IN THE ROOM THAT I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ADDRESSED THIS QUESTION IF THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE.

COME ON, COME ON. MIKE. THIS IS MIKE PURCELL.

HE IS WITH STRUCTURE, TONE, AND HE HAS A STRONG HISTORY IN HEALTH CARE ABATEMENT PROJECTS.

HE'S A CONSTRUCTION ZONE STRUCTURE. TOWN ZONE? YES. CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME? THANK YOU. OKAY. SO THE QUESTION WAS HOW DO YOU REMEDIATE THE BUILDING WITH THE STAFFING IN THE BUILDING AND KEEP THEM SAFE IN, IN ESSENCE, KIND OF PARAPHRASED, RIGHT? OKAY.

SO THE WAY IT WORKS IS. NUMBER ONE STEP IS YOU HIRE THE RIGHT TEAM.

THERE ARE TEAMS THAT ARE CERTIFIED. THERE'S A PERMITTING, THERE'S A LOT OF PROCESSES THAT HAVE TO GO THROUGH.

TYPICALLY IN A PROJECT LIKE THIS, YOU'RE HIRING AN INDUSTRIAL, A CLINICAL INDUSTRIAL HYGIENIST WHO WOULD COME IN, WOULD DO A PROJECT SPECIFIC PLAN, WHAT AREAS ARE OCCUPIED, WHAT AREAS ARE GOING TO BE ABATED.

WE PUT IN THE THE TEMPORARY WALLS WE PUT IN WHAT THEY CALL A NEGATIVE AIR MACHINE.

WHAT THAT DOES IS IT MAKES THE ROOM NEGATIVE.

SO IF YOU HAD PLASTIC, WHICH IT WON'T, IT WOULD BE SUCKING IN.

IT'S LIKE A, YOU KNOW, THE AIR WOULD BE IN, WHICH MEANS EVERYTHING FLOWS INTO THE ROOM AND EVERYTHING OUTSIDE THE ROOM IS POSITIVE.

THAT MACHINE WOULD ACTUALLY SIT OUTSIDE OF THE ROOM. AND ODDLY ENOUGH, THAT HAS A 99.964% FILTER ON IT.

THAT'LL BE THE CLEANEST SPACE IN THIS ENTIRE BUILDING BECAUSE IT SCRUBS AND POLISHES THE AIR.

THERE WILL ALSO BE CHARCOAL FILTERS IN THERE FOR SMELLS AND FOR, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF FUMES IN THERE.

SO THEY'LL TAKE THE SMELLS OUT. AND THEN IN SENSITIVE AREAS, THEY WOULD DO VIBRATION MONITORING.

SO THEY'D HAVE SYSTEMS AND THINGS ON THE BUILDING THAT WOULD SHOW YOU IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS ANY JIGGLE OR VIBRATION, NOISE IS RECEIVED AS VIBRATION. WHEN YOU HEAR IT, YOU THINK YOU FEEL VIBRATION.

A LOT OF TIMES IT'S JUST NOISE. SO WE'LL DO NOISE DAMPENING.

WE'LL DO THINGS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THINGS LIKE DRILLING AT NIGHT OR JACKHAMMERING OR CUTTING WILL BE DONE OFF HOURS AND THEN CLEANED UP.

SO THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO CONSTRUCTION IS A NECESSARY EVIL DURING ONE OF THESE.

I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO DO. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL YOU'LL BE ADVISED IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING GOING ON HERE, WE WON'T DO ANY, ANY KIND OF WORK THAT'S GOING TO DISRUPT YOUR FACILITIES HERE.

SO EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE DONE IN COORDINATION TO WHAT YOU HAVE PLANNED FOR THE DAY, WHERE YOU'RE WORKING, WHO'S WORKING IN ADJACENCIES? WE DO WHAT WE CALL IT.

WE WOULD DO WHAT WE CALL A DAILY WORK HUDDLE, AND WE'LL TELL YOU EVERY SINGLE DAY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

SO YOU'RE NOT SURPRISED. AND THEN TELL YOU WHAT WE ACCOMPLISHED.

SO IT'S ALL ABOUT COMMUNICATION AND ALL ABOUT YOU KNOW, WORKING WHEN WE'RE WORKING IN PARTS OF THE BUILDING OR THE PARKING GARAGE, WE'LL HAVE SIGNAGE THAT TELLS YOU WHERE WE'RE WORKING, WHAT WE'RE DOING.

SO YOU'RE KEEP INFORMED THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON.

EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE WE'RE WORKING. EVERYBODY KNOWS THE NEW ROUTES BECAUSE WE'LL BE YOU GO THIS WAY TODAY.

THAT WAY TOMORROW. SO EVERYBODY'S KEPT. SO IT'S ALL ABOUT COMMUNICATION AND IDENTIFYING WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND WHAT THE CONTRACTOR CAN DO.

THAT'S THE LEAST DISRUPTIVE TO YOUR OPERATIONS.

HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR RESPONDING.

THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN HERE. I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE AS A TRUSTEE.

AS A PARENT. WE FIXED SOUTH OAK CLIFF HIGH SCHOOL.

SAME PROBLEMS. THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS BUILDING THAT I'VE SEEN THAT'S NOT THE EXACT SAME THING AS SOUTH OAK CLIFF HIGH SCHOOL.

I'VE TALKED ABOUT. I TALKED ABOUT THE SWING PLAYING.

I'VE SAW THE SWING PLAYING, NOT VACATING THE BUILDING.

NO ONE HERE CAN GUARANTEE THAT THE ASBESTOS WON'T GET AIRBORNE.

THERE'S NO GUARANTEE. THAT'S WHY WE MOVED OUT OUR EDUCATORS AND OUR STUDENTS.

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AND SO WHEN I'M LISTENING TO THIS AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE HAVE HAZARDOUS IN A HAZARDOUS MATERIAL, ASBESTOS IN RESTROOMS AND ETCETERA, WHEN YOU GO INTO THESE WALLS, EVEN IN THE CARPET IN THIS ROOM, THE PRICE IS GOING TO INCREASE. THOSE ARE THE UNFORESEEN, WHAT I HEARD HIM SAY, TOO MANY UNKNOWN ISSUES, UNHEALTHY AMOUNT OF UNCERTAINTIES. THOSE ARE HIS WORDS.

WHEN YOU WAS TALKING EARLIER, I HAD WRITTEN THIS 20 MINUTES BEFORE YOU EVEN GOT TO IT, BECAUSE I KNEW THE STATEMENTS THAT WAS GOING TO BE MADE FROM YOU.

BECAUSE I'VE LIVED THIS BEFORE. THIS IS NOTHING NEW.

SOUTH OAK CLIFF, ROOSEVELT HIGH SCHOOL. I HAD TO JUST TURN DOWN O.W.

HOLMES. WE COULDN'T. IT WAS JUST TOO BAD. SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS THAT THAT I'M HAVING.

I DON'T SUPPORT MORE PATCHWORK. THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING.

WE DON'T KNOW. LET'S MAKE IT GO DOWN THE LINE.

TEN, TEN MORE YEARS. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BUDGET IS GOING TO BE.

SO EVERYTHING IS JUST UNCERTAIN. AND MY SHIRT CLEARLY SAYS I'M GONNA STAND SO YOU CAN SEE IT.

WE NEED A SAFE CITY HALL. HOW THAT LOOKS. WHETHER WE STAY OR LEAVE, WE NEED A SAFE CITY HALL.

AND WHEN I'M HEARING IT'S NOT A SAFE CITY HALL.

I'VE BEEN DOWN TO L3. I'VE BEEN DOWN WHERE 311 IS.

I'VE BEEN DOWN WHERE 911 IS. I'VE BEEN WHERE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS.

FIRE DEPARTMENT WHERE THEY WORK AT. THAT'S UNSAFE.

SO TO SAY THAT OUR WORKERS ARE NOT IN AN UNSAFE ENVIRONMENT? YES THEY ARE. I LOOKED UNDERNEATH A DESK AND IT LOOKED LIKE A PIPE COMING OUT OF A DESK THAT GOES IN MY HOOD OF MY CAR EXHAUST PIPE.

THAT'S WHERE THE HEAT WAS COMING FROM. THEY HAVE TO KEEP THEIR ITEMS ON THE CHAIR.

AND I DID A VIDEO. IT'S IT'S CONCERNING TO ME BECAUSE I'M NOT HEARING WHAT I NEED TO HEAR BASED OFF MY EXPERIENCE OF BEING HERE BEFORE.

SO MORE PATCHWORK. WE NEED A SAFE CITY HALL. THIS IS JUST TOO MANY UNCERTAINTIES. AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE AND I, I RESPECT MY COLLEAGUES AND IN THEIR OPINION, THAT'S WHY THEY WAS ELECTED TO BE A VOICE FOR THEIR COMMUNITY.

BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'VE HAD AN HONEST CONVERSATION.

I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS PEOPLE DON'T APPROVE OF OR DISAGREE WITH BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE PRICE.

BUT I DON'T THINK IT WAS UNTRUST. IT WAS NOT TRUSTWORTHY.

OR I BE LIKE, I BELIEVE THAT THE CITY MANAGER AND MAYOR JOHNSON DO HIS LEADERSHIP AND LEADERSHIP, AND THE COUNCIL THAT'S WORKING HAVE HEARD WHAT WE NEED TO HEAR.

WE'LL CONTINUE TO GET MORE INFORMATION SO WE CAN MAKE A PRUDENT DECISION.

WE MAY NOT BE THERE YET, BUT TO MAKE A NOTION LIKE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE HEARING SOMETHING THAT THAT'S GREAT AND THAT'S HONEST, THAT'S A BIT DISINGENUOUS. AND IT'S HONESTLY, IT'S NOT TRUE.

I'LL WAIT TILL THE SECOND ROUND IS YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. OKAY. I THINK WE ARE ON TO CHAIRWOMAN STEWART FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MAYOR JOHNSON. JUST TO BUILD A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT CHAIR JOHNSON JUST SAID.

FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO START BY THANKING OUR CITY MANAGER AND DIRECTOR JOHNSON FOR BRINGING THESE CONSULTANTS TO US AND BRINGING THIS INFORMATION TO US.

WHAT IT SAYS TO ME IS YOU'RE NOT AFRAID TO LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS TO DIG INTO THESE NUMBERS.

YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO HIDE ANYTHING FROM US. YOU TRULY ARE WORKING FOR US AND WITH US TO GET THE BEST INFORMATION WE CAN GET TO MAKE A VERY DIFFICULT DECISION. AND I WANT TO CAUTION PEOPLE TO JUST BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN SOME REALLY GOOD NEWS ABOUT THE PARKING GARAGE, THAT MAYBE THE ISSUES THERE ARE NOT AS SIGNIFICANT AS WE FEARED AND MIGHT COST A LOT LESS, DOESN'T MEAN ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO REPLACE GENERATORS, PERHAPS 18 SUBSTATIONS, 42 RESTROOMS AND A ROOF. SO, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE ADDING THESE UP.

AND YOU WIN AND I LOSE AND WE HAVE MORE THIS AND YOU HAVE MORE THAT THIS IS THIS SHOULD NOT BE A CONTEST GUYS.

THIS SHOULD JUST BE ABOUT GETTING THE BEST FACTUAL INFORMATION WE CAN.

THE BEST NUMBERS WE CAN. THE BEST ADVICE FROM THE CONSULTANTS ABOUT HOW WE USE THAT, THOSE NUMBERS AND HOW WE PROJECT AND LOOK AT THE FUTURE AND THEN

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AND I TRUST THAT WE WILL FIND THAT ANSWER TOGETHER.

BUT THE THE COMPETITION BETWEEN WHO WAS RIGHT AND WHO WAS WRONG AND WHETHER, YOU KNOW, I IT'S I FIND THAT TO BE A WASTE OF TIME AND ENERGY. SORRY. BEING BRUTALLY HONEST AT THIS POINT, WE REALLY AND TRULY JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE FACTS, JUST THE FACTS, AND PROCESS THOSE INTO A DECISION.

SO THAT'S MY LITTLE SERMON. AND IT'S THE NANA INSIDE OF ME THAT'S JUST SHOOK HER FINGER AT YOU.

BUT THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT WITH THAT. IT IS 430 AND WE GOT LOTS MORE WORK TO DO.

SO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MR. ROTH, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. LISTEN, EVERYBODY'S PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS SITUATION.

EVERYBODY'S CONCERNED ABOUT IT. BUT I REALLY DO THINK THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT PROCESS.

THIS IS HOW WE GET TO THE SOLUTIONS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

AND I DIDN'T HEAR MAYBE I DIDN'T DIRECT MY QUESTION TO THE RIGHT PARTY, BUT CITY MANAGER PERHAPS COULD YOU, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO ASK THESE FOLKS TO RESPOND RATHER THAN JUNE 3RD TO MAYBE PUT IT ON THE NEXT BRIEFING AGENDA, WHICH WOULD BE JUNE 17TH, TO GIVE THEM ENOUGH TIME TO REALLY DO A GOOD ANALYSIS OF THEIR, OF THEIR FINANCIAL AND, AND, AND DESIGN ITEMS AND TO HELP US HAVE AND AVOID THE RUSH, AVOID THE.

THE DIFFICULTY IN MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE GOOD NUMBERS.

THAT WOULD BE MY MY REQUEST IF IF THAT'S WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW TO TO GIVE THEM THAT DIRECTION.

I ALSO DO WANT TO SAY THAT I, THAT I THINK THAT THIS IS, THIS IS JUST BUILDING A BUILDING BACK.

IT'S GETTING IMPROVEMENTS MADE, IT'S GETTING REPAIRS MADE, IT'S REPLACING OUTDATED SYSTEMS. AND THIS IS ALL PART OF FIXING THIS PLACE AND PRESERVING IT AND PREPARING IT FOR THE FUTURE.

SO THIS I REALLY APPLAUD COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART'S FOCUS IN THAT THIS IS TO FOCUS ON SOLUTIONS AND GETTING THE RIGHT INFORMATION AND BEING ABLE TO GET THE RIGHT FACTS FOR US TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. LOOKS LIKE MISS BLAIR RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO ASK SOME. MAYBE SOME YES OR NO QUESTIONS.

CAN THE ROOF BE COMPLETELY REPLACED WITHOUT REPLACE WITH EMPLOYEES STILL IN THE BUILDING? CAN THE ROOF BE COMPLETELY REPLACED WITH EMPLOYEES STILL IN THE BUILDING? THE ROOF. IS THAT THE ONE YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT? THE ROOF ITSELF? YEAH. BUILDINGS ARE REROOFED THAT ARE OCCUPIED ALL THE TIME.

GREAT. MOLD. WE HAVE MOLD. HOW DO WE REMEDIATE? I JUST WANT TO STEP IN. I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY MOLD IN THE ACTUAL BUILDING.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY WITH LIFE SAFETY FOR THE EMPLOYEES WE HAVE IN THE PAST.

AS YOU'RE AWARE, WHEN THERE'S BEEN WATER INFILTRATION, DO FINE MOLD, BUT WE ABATE IT VERY QUICKLY AND WE CLEAN THAT.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE FOR THE EMPLOYEES LISTENING THAT WE ARE NOT AWARE OF ANY ACTUAL MOLD AT THIS MOMENT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO THEN THEN YOU'VE ANSWERED THE QUESTION.

DOES THE GARAGE LEAK WHEN IT RAINS? THE GARAGE LEAKS WHEN IT DOESN'T RAIN.

THERE ARE SOURCES OF WATER ABOVE THE GARAGE THAT ALLOW WATER IN 365 DAYS A YEAR, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL.

DOES OUR ROOF LEAK WHEN IT RAINS? THE BUILDING ROOF? I DON'T KNOW. I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF THERE ISN'T A LEAK SOMEPLACE, BUT AT THAT AGE, I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE ROOF DRAINS THEMSELVES FROM WHAT I'M SEEING OF THE ASBESTOS. I'M NOT ASBESTOS FROM THE THE COAL TAR PITCH MELTING AND FLOWING TO THOSE DRAINS.

THAT'S THE MY NUMBER ONE CONCERN ABOUT THE SYSTEMS ON THE ROOF.

WHEN WE FIRST GOT INVOLVED IN THE PROGRAM, WHEN EVERYBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUES OF WATER PENETRATION IN THE IN THE BUILDING AND IN THE GARAGE.

WE ASKED THE QUESTION, IS THE ROOF A SOURCE OF SIGNIFICANT WATER PROBLEMS? AND THE ANSWER WAS, THAT'S NOT WHERE OUR REAL PROBLEM IS.

IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, BUT IT IS NOT DRAINING A LOT OF WATER.

THAT'S A CRITICAL ISSUE. SO IT DOES NEED TO BE FIXED.

SO IF IT'S YOU'RE SAYING THE ROOF IS NOT DRAINING WATER CORRECTLY.

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INTO THE, YOU KNOW, SEVENTH FLOOR, EIGHTH FLOOR.

COUNCIL MEMBER. BLAIR, IF I MAY ALSO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AS A PART OF THE COUNCIL'S APPROVED RECENT CONTRACT ON ROOF MANAGEMENT AND ROOF PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE, THIS BUILDING WAS ASSESSED. COUNCIL MEMBER WAS RIGHT.

IN 1998, THE ROOF WAS REPLACED. AND THEN THE REPORT RECOMMENDED AROUND $150,000 WORTH OF EMERGENCY REPAIRS AS NEEDED.

THOSE WERE COMPLETED. IT ALSO SET. ANOTHER FULL REPLACEMENT WAS REQUIRED IN 2027 AND ESTIMATED BETWEEN 3 AND $3.5 MILLION FOR THAT PROJECT.

SO. SO, MR. JOHNSON, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE'RE TARGETED TO 300, WHATEVER IT IS, THE NUMBER WAS IN 2027 FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF THE ROOF AT THE TIME WAS ESTIMATED BETWEEN $3.5 MILLION.

GREAT. THANK YOU. I THAT THAT. OKAY, SO LET ME SEE. I THINK I HAVE ONE MAYBE ONE MORE QUESTION.

WOULD IT BE SAFE FOR THE EMPLOYEES TO BE IN THE BUILDING, ESPECIALLY IN THE BASEMENT AREAS WHERE WE'VE SEEN IT, WHERE WE'VE SEEN DETERIORATION, DETERIORATING CONDITIONS? IS IT A SAFE PLACE IN L2L1, YOU KNOW, 311911 EOC.

AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE HAVE SEEN NOTHING IN THE REPORT STRUCTURALLY THAT INFORMS THAT IT'S AN UNSAFE PLACE.

AS NOTED, WE'RE STILL GOING THROUGH A LOT OF THE INFORMATION.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A FULL OPINION ON THAT AT THAT POINT, AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

OKAY. THANK YOU. HAVE YOU BEEN TO L3? YES, WE WENT AS A PART OF THE TOUR.

SO YOU ACTUALLY WENT DOWN AND DOWN INTO L3? I BELIEVE SO, YES.

DID YOU SIGN WAIVERS TO GO INTO L3? IS THERE A WAIVER ASSOCIATED? I'M NOT FOR SURE. IT'S L2, I THINK IS WHERE HE'S CONSIDERING L2.

L3 IS A SEPARATE SUBSTRUCTURE CRAWL SPACE THAT MR. BLAIR'S CORRECT DOES REQUIRE A WAIVER. SO YOU HAVE NOT BEEN IN L3? NOT YET. NOT YET. OKAY. LET US KNOW WHEN YOU GO TO L3.

OKAY. THE BUILDING SECTIONS THAT WE HAVE NOW SHOW IT AS A CRAWL SPACE.

IT'S EXCAVATED. AND SOMEONE TOLD ME IT WAS FOR A FUTURE SUBWAY STATION OR SOMETHING.

AND THERE'S BEEN NOTHING DONE OTHER THAN LEAVE A CRAWL SPACE.

THERE'S NO THERE'S NO PROVISION. THERE'S NO FLOOR IN THAT, FROM WHAT I COULD TELL THERE.

ONE OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS. IT'S A STAND. IT'S IT'S MORE THAN A STAND.

IT'S IT'S YOU CAN STAND UP IN THERE EASILY. I THINK IT MIGHT BE 12 OR 15FT CLEAR.

WELL, I ASK THAT YOU TALK TO COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

HE WENT IN THERE. HE ACTUALLY HAS A VIDEO OF L3.

SO I THINK THAT MAYBE WHEN YOU DO YOUR ASSESSMENT IN ORDER TO DO A COMPLETE ASSESSMENT, YOU ALSO INCLUDE L3.

OKAY. AND I'M REFERRING TO A SECTION IN THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS FROM I.M.

PEI'S OFFICE. SO THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT WAS BUILT THE WAY THEY DREW IT IN THEIR BUILDING SECTION.

SO I WILL NOT SAY THAT IT'S A CERTAIN CLEAR HEIGHT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW.

I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. THANK YOU. JUST MAYBE, YOU SHOULD CONCERN YOURSELF WITH L THREE TWO.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT HOW MANY EMPLOYEES WERE ASSIGNED TO CITY HALL.

I WOULD ASK YOU TO FIND OUT HOW MANY ARE ACTUALLY IN CITY HALL.

I THINK THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT NUMBER. I ACTUALLY WAS EPA CERTIFIED FOR ASBESTOS REMEDIATION.

I'M SORRY FOR VARIOUS REMEDIATIONS, BUT CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE WHAT A TEMPORARY WALL IS? I DON'T THINK THEY KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. IT CAN BE REFERRED TO AS A DEMOUNTABLE WALL.

IT COMES WITH A FRAME AND A GLAZING MATERIAL SOMETIMES IS PLASTICS, BUT IT'S GENERALLY SOMETHING THAT'S LIGHTWEIGHT THAT HAS MECHANICAL FASTENERS BETWEEN SEGMENTS. AND AGAIN, I GET MIKE BACK DOWN HERE AND HE CAN DESCRIBE IT BETTER THAN I.

BUT IT DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE A LID SPAN BACK TO ANOTHER STRUCTURE.

SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY BUILD A THREE DIMENSIONAL ENCLOSURE IF YOU NEED TO.

SO MIKE, HAVE I WRITTEN A CHECK I CAN'T CASH? WELL, AND HERE'S, HERE'S THE DESCRIPTION THAT THE TEAM PUT TOGETHER JUST TO MAKE IT EASY SO MIKE DOESN'T HAVE TO WALK DOWN. SO IF THE BUILDING IS OCCUPIED, ALL REMEDIATION ACTIVITIES WOULD OCCUR WITHIN A FULLY ISOLATED CONTAINMENT ZONE SEPARATED FROM OCCUPIED AREAS.

AS DON MENTIONED, BY SEALED TEMPORARY PARTITIONS CONSISTING OF SOMETHING LIKE RIGID PLEXIGLAS WITH CONTROLLED ENTRANCE AND EXIT VESTIBULES.

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OKAY, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT, BUT IT'S MORE PLASTIC BARRIER.

IT'S ONE OUR RATING, IT'S LIKE A SLIDING WINDOW AND IT HAS PROVISIONS TO PUT IN AIR MACHINES.

BUT I JUST ALSO WANT TO CLARIFY, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE BUILDING A TEMPORARY WALL.

IT'S REALLY A BARRIER. IT'S A BARRIER, AND IT'S DESIGNED TO GO UP FAST.

AND THEN, MR. JOHNSON, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO TELL US, HAVE WE HAD ASBESTOS WORK DONE? WORK ON THAT INVOLVED ASBESTOS WHILE WE HAVE EMPLOYEES IN THE BUILDING? YES. WE PREVIOUSLY ABATED IN THE MECHANICAL SPACES, IN THE RESTROOMS, IN A MANNER AS THEY HAVE DESCRIBED.

HOW FREQUENTLY HAS THAT HAPPENED? I WOULD SAY I'M AWARE OF TWO INSTANCES FROM PROJECTS DURING MY TENURE, AND I'M SURE THERE WERE PREVIOUS ONES FROM BOND, BUT THAT'S A SMALLER SCALE PROJECT LIMITED TO A RESTROOM.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE THEY'RE PHASING THEIR PROJECT.

IT'S NOT THIS ENTIRE FLOOR PORTION OF VENTILATION OR DISTRIBUTION OF THE AC, BECAUSE OURS ARE A VERY SMALL ONE SECTION OF A PIPE THAT'S BEING REPLACED OR A BATHROOM THAT WE CAN CORDON OFF AND THEN BACK TO THE ASBESTOS.

I'M ASSUMING IT'S THE FLOORING IN THE BATHROOM THAT'S GOT AN ISSUE.

IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH, THERE'S CERAMIC TILE THAT HAS MASTIC, BUT THERE'S ALSO SOME VINYL FLOORING THAT ALSO HAS IT IN L1.

AND L2, I BELIEVE IS WHERE THE VINYL FLOORING IS.

SURE. AND ARE YOU ABLE TO BLOCK OFF THE SYSTEM FROM THERE? THE AIR SYSTEM WITHOUT TAKING THE ENTIRE AREA AND JUST ACTUALLY ISOLATE THAT ONE BATHROOM.

BASED ON WHAT MIKE HAS TOLD ME, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.

BUT WE CAN'T HAVE A ROOM THAT LEAKS AIR OUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROOM.

SO WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE IF, IF THOSE RESTROOMS AREN'T IF THE PARTITIONS DON'T GO TO THE UNDERSIDE OF THE FLOOR ABOVE AND IT'S SEALED OFF, WE WOULD HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM MAINTAINING THAT NEGATIVE PRESSURE PROPERLY IN THAT SPACE.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S ROOM TO. DECIDE WHAT THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION IS ON AN INDIVIDUAL CASE BY CASE.

CAN WE GO TO SLIDE 18 AND STARTING IN THE MIDDLE WITH MAXIMIZING CONSTRUCTION EFFICIENCY AND MOBILIZATION.

CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH WHAT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THAT ONE? AND THEN THE THE NEXT TWO THAT ARE TO THE RIGHT.

SO AS I REFERENCED A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, BUT HAVING TO GO INTO MORE DETAIL HERE, MAXIMIZING CONSTRUCTION EFFICIENCY, EFFICIENCY, AND MOBILIZATION REALLY COMES DOWN TO A COUPLE COMPONENTS.

NUMBER ONE, WHEN YOU BRING A CONTRACTOR ON BOARD, AS THE TEAM ILLUSTRATED EARLIER WHEN YOU ARE DOING A LARGER SCOPE OF WORK, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO CAPTURE ECONOMIES OF SCALE, GET ALL OF YOUR SUBCONTRACTORS ON BOARD AND WHAT'S CALLED MOBILIZE INTO A SPACE TO DO THE COMPONENTS THERE. THINK ABOUT THIS CAN INCLUDE, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT ASBESTOS ABATEMENT, MAYBE DURING THAT TIME PERIOD, YOU'RE ALSO DOING ANY HVAC OR REQUIRED WIRING WORK THAT WILL BE TRIGGERED WHEN YOU'RE OPENING THAT CEILING COMPONENT ANYWAYS, RIGHT? SO THINKING ABOUT TRYING TO MINIMIZE THOSE COMPONENTS, WHEN I TALKED ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE MAYBE LESS INVASIVE TO OR IMPACTFUL TO OPERATIONS, MAYBE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE MOBILIZATIONS THAT TAKE PLACE DURING THAT PORTION OF TIME TO ALLOW CITY STAFF TO OPERATE IN THE SPACE IN A MORE FREQUENT CAPACITY, WHICH WOULD BE LESS EFFICIENT CONSTRUCTION WISE, BUT MAYBE MORE EFFICIENT FOR CITY SERVICES GOING TO THE RIGHT.

KEEP AN EYE ON THE FUTURE AND HOLISTIC VIEW. AS WE THINK ABOUT THIS PROJECT AS A WHOLE, IT'S VERY EASY, AS YOU SAW IN THE AECOM REPORT AND OTHERWISE TO THINK ABOUT SYSTEMS AS INDIVIDUAL FUNCTIONS.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE THINKING ABOUT, AS I'VE TALKED ABOUT, THE HOLISTIC KIND OF END TO END PROGRAM AND WHAT THAT MIGHT MEAN LOGICALLY AS FAR AS TRIGGERING CERTAIN COMPONENTS. AND SO THAT GOES BACK TO OUR TWO STRATEGIC APPROACHES, ONE BEING FOCUSING ON GOING IN AND REALLY DOING ALL OF THE ELEMENTS WITHIN A CERTAIN AREA AT ONE MOBILIZATION SEQUENCE VERSUS DOING IT IN A LEAST INVASIVE CAPACITY.

BUT THINKING ABOUT HOW IT TIES END TO END. AND THEN THE LAST PART, CONSIDERING THE BUILDING'S HISTORIC HIGHLIGHTS, AS MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING IS NOT DESIGNATED HISTORIC EXCEPT FOR A FEW AREAS THAT ARE PART OF THE THE MORATORIUM, SORRY, LONG DAY MORATORIUM. AND SO THINGS THAT WE WOULD BE CONSIDERING HERE IS, AS MENTIONED, THE WAFFLE CEILING THAT'S IN A LOT OF THIS FACILITY THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE IMPORTANT TO THE OVERALL DESIGN OF THE FACILITY.

IF WE WERE TO REWORK HVAC, FIRE SUPPRESSION, OTHER COMPONENTS LIKE THAT, THERE ARE CONSIDERATIONS OF WHETHER TO RUN THAT THROUGH THAT AREA, REMOVE THAT WAFFLE CEILING OR OTHERWISE.

AND SO THOSE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO LAY OUT AS CONSIDERATIONS TO YOU AS COUNCIL, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU AS A PART OF THE PROGRAM.

OKAY. THANK YOU. AND SO FOR THE I KEEP AN EYE ON THE FUTURE HOLISTIC VIEW.

YOU'RE NOT THEN SAYING THAT YOU WOULD GO BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THE RESOLUTION, RIGHT? THAT IT WOULD ONLY BE REPAIR OF CRITICAL SYSTEMS. WHAT I'M SAYING. OH, GO AHEAD. I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT THERE ARE TRIGGERS FOR ADA AND CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT COULD ALSO BE A PART OF THAT,

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I'M TALKING ABOUT THINGS BEYOND THAT. YEAH. AND I WOULD AGREE, THAT'S ALL WE'D BE LOOKING AT IS ANYTHING THAT'S TRIGGERED AS A PART OF THIS PROGRAM.

OKAY. AND IF WE CAN GO TO SLIDE 20, IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN HOW YOU PRIORITIZE NUMBER THE SECOND ITEM THERE.

YES. SO ON IF THE WHOEVER'S RUNNING THE SLIDES WANTS TO GO TO SLIDE 28 FOR ME ONE OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WE USE AS A PART OF OUR PRIORITIZATION FRAMEWORK IS THIS RISK BASED EXAMPLE.

WE CAN UNDERSTAND REALLY WHAT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED WHEN AS FAR AS IMPACT TO OPERATIONS OR IMPACT TO LIFE CYCLE.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE ELEMENTS THAT'S CONSIDERED AS A PART OF THIS PROGRAM. WE ALSO LOOK AT IMPACT TO OPERATIONS, INTERDEPENDENCIES BETWEEN OTHER SYSTEMS AND KIND OF RELATED COMPONENTS TO UNDERSTAND HOW IT ULTIMATELY IMPACTS THE OVERALL SYSTEM.

OKAY. SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS ON PAGE 26. AGAIN, I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO ON THE CONCURRENT EXECUTION ECONOMIES OF SCALE. AGAIN, THE COST BASIS FOR THE 3.329 MILLION FIGURE.

I REJECT THAT AS THE WRONG SCOPE. ON THE PROS.

YOU'VE GOT MORE RUNWAY TIME TO COMMUNICATE AND IMPLEMENT CHANGE MANAGEMENT.

WHAT DOES THAT ACTUALLY MEAN? OH, SORRY. SO OVER THE TEN YEAR PERIOD YOU'RE SAYING COUNCIL MEMBER, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU JUMP FROM THE LEFT TO LOOKING AT THE THIRD BULLET UNDER PROS. OKAY.

YES. SO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS OVER THIS COMPONENT.

YOU WOULD HAVE FOLKS IN THE FACILITY. AND SO OVER A OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME, YOU WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE IN AN OCCUPIED SPACE TO STAFF. AND OTHERWISE WHEN CERTAIN COMPONENTS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN, IF WE WERE TO TRY AND SQUEEZE THIS INTO A 3 TO 5 YEAR PROGRAM WITH OCCUPIED SPACE, IT WOULD BE MORE DIFFICULT TO COMMUNICATE THAT AND ACCOMMODATE CITY FUNCTIONS.

SO WHAT THAT BULLET IS REFERENCING IS THAT WITH STAFF AND WORK ON THE OPERATIONAL IMPACTS.

GO AHEAD. I WILL ADD TO THAT FOR THE CHANGE MANAGEMENT PIECE WITH THAT LONGER SERIES OF WORK, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IMPLEMENT CHANGE MANAGEMENT.

SO CHANGE MANAGEMENT IS HOW WE BRING THE BUILDING USERS ALONG IN THE PROCESS.

IT'S HOW WE CLARIFY TO EMPLOYEES AND STAFF VISITORS, ANYONE WHO INTERACTS WITH THE BUILDING.

WHAT'S HAPPENING? WHY IS IT HAPPENING? YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THERE'S BEEN SOME FEAR MONGERING.

IT'S BRINGING PEOPLE ALONG IN THE PROCESS TO NEGATE AND ELIMINATE THOSE QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, FEARS, CLARIFY TO THEM THE APPROACH, WHY IT WAS LAID OUT THAT WAY.

SO WHEN WE HAVE A LONGER PHASING, A LOT OF TIMES CHANGE MANAGEMENT COMES INTO PLAY IN A MORE ROBUST WAY.

AND AN EXAMPLE MIGHT BE WHEN PHASE ONE IS COMPLETED, THAT BECOMING A SPACE THAT ACTUALLY CREATES ADVOCATES FOR THE WORK, PEOPLE WHO ARE EXCITED, WHO CAN SEE THAT FIRST RESULT, AND THEN IT STARTS TO CREATE A DIFFERENT ENERGY IN THE BUILDING WITH THE EMPLOYEES WHO ARE ABLE TO SEE WHAT'S COMING. THAT'S SOMETHING WE EXPERIENCE ON A LOT OF PROJECTS.

IT ALSO, IN THE LONGER PHASED RENOVATION FREQUENTLY TAKES PLACE THAT LESSONS ARE LEARNED IN PHASE ONE THAT ARE THEN CARRIED FORWARD IN FUTURE PHASES TWO, THREE, FOUR, ETC.. OKAY. WELL, I THINK A NICELY WORDED MEMO TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING IS PROBABLY ALL THAT'S NEEDED INSTEAD OF CREATING ADVOCATES AND CHANGE ENVIRONMENT.

I'M SORRY, THIS IS NOT HOW BUSINESS IS REALLY CONDUCTED.

ON SLIDE 29, UNDER THE LEAST DISRUPTIVE APPROACH TO OPERATIONS VERSUS THE BEST PRACTICES, WHICH I THINK THE HEADLINES ARE KIND OF FUNNY.

IN YOUR EXAMPLE ABOUT ROAD CONSTRUCTION, I'LL JUST TELL YOU, HAVING LIVED THROUGH THE WORK ON HILLCREST, WE LIVE FOR MORE THAN A YEAR WITH ONLY ONE LANE NORTH AND SOUTH, AND THEN THEY CLOSED IT FOR A YEAR.

I GUARANTEE YOU, EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT LIVES THERE WOULD HAVE PREFERRED KEEPING IT OPEN ONE LANE AND NEVER HAVING CLOSED IT, EVEN IF IT MEANT MULTIPLE YEARS. SO CLOSING IS A VERY BAD IDEA.

THANK YOU. MISS BLACKMON RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. CAN WE LOOK AT THE GENERATORS WE TALKED ABOUT? ARE THERE FIVE GENERATORS IN THIS BUILDING AND THREE ARE NOT IN USE? IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT.

AND TWO OF THEM ARE IN USE AND IT'S QUESTIONABLE.

CORRECT. THERE WERE FIVE. AND THREE ARE NO LONGER FUNCTIONAL.

THERE ARE FUNCTIONALLY OBSOLETE. WE CAN'T GET PARTS FOR THEM IF WE TRY TO LOCATE THEM BECAUSE OF THEIR AGE, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. SO ONE OF THEM IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN CALLED FRANKENSTEIN, WHERE WE TAKE THE PIECES OFF OF IT AND MOVE IT TO THE OTHER.

THAT ONE NO LONGER WORKS. SO OF THE FIVE, WE HAVE TWO THAT ARE FUNCTIONAL.

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SO HOW MUCH DOES A GENERATOR OF THAT STANDARD COST? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY ARE WE IN THIS POSITION? IF WE IF THAT IS A CRUCIAL, CRUCIAL POINT OF OPERATING.

AND I CAN'T REALLY ANSWER SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY VARIABLES. BUT I THINK THAT THE EXAMPLE THAT MR. MUNDINGER GAVE EARLIER IS THAT WHEN WE TRIED TO DO A LIKE FOR LIKE SWAP, IT WAS AROUND $7 MILLION THAT WE ESTIMATED TO DO BY THE TIME WE GOT IN, THE DESIGN WORK WAS DONE AND THE CODE TRIGGERS IT WAS 17 MILLION.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO GET A WHOLE NEW SYSTEM ON THAT.

IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? IT'S NOT JUST THAT. IT'S THE IT TRIGGERED CODE.

SO INGRESS, EGRESS, FUEL TANK CONTAINMENT, WIRING, ALL THESE OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD NORMALLY NOT BE A PART OF IT ARE REQUIRED LEGALLY BECAUSE OF THE CODE. OKAY. SO IT WOULD BE 17 TO REPLACE 17 MILLION TO REPLACE EACH GENERATOR FOR THE TOTAL PROJECT.

OH FOR THE TOTAL PROJECT. OKAY. AND WOULD YOU SAY THAT THAT'S MISSION CRITICAL? I BELIEVE SO BECAUSE THIS THERE ARE MISSION CRITICAL OPERATIONS IN THIS BUILDING.

YES. OKAY. SO BECAUSE I MEAN, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A BUDGET, ONE THAT WE SHOULD ANYWAY.

THERE ARE ABOUT, THERE ARE ABOUT 700,000 APIECE JUST TO REPLACE THE GENERATOR, NOT JUST THE GENERATOR, JUST THE GENERATOR, BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT TO FIX THE SYSTEM AROUND IT, WHICH ADDS ANOTHER LAYER.

YEAH. AND, BUT, BUT I WOULD, AND YOU HAVE TO TAKE APART A PIECE AT A TIME THERE IN A VERY CONSTRAINED PLACE.

BUT I WOULD SAY IF WE'RE GOING TO STAY IN THIS BUILDING, THAT'S PROBABLY 911 TOMORROW.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT, BUT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF AN INTERESTING ELEMENT GIVEN THAT WE ARE, THIS IS WHERE OUR, OUR CENTRAL SAFETY HUB IS.

DID YOU SAY WE HAVE 48 OR 42 BATHROOMS? IT'S 48 BETWEEN 48 AND 42.

IT'S THERE'S 48 PUBLIC. AND THEN THERE MAY BE A FEW IN SUITES THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THAT, BUT THEY'RE NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. OKAY. SO IN REPLACING ALL OF THOSE, BECAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS GOING TO BE A TOTAL REWORK BECAUSE OF VARIOUS ELEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED. WHEN YOU SAY THAT, THEN DOES IT MEAN THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE CONFIGURED? HOW? HOW? BECAUSE I GUESS THERE'S A CERTAIN NUMBER OF BATHROOMS YOU HAVE TO HAVE BECAUSE THERE'S CERTAIN OCCUPANCY IS WHEN WE GET INTO THAT, ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO FIND OTHER PLACES TO INSTALL OTHER BATHROOMS? AND ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE URINAL COUNTS AND THAT SORT OF THING? I MEAN, I'M JUST YEAH, I KNOW THAT. I KNOW IF YOU HAVE AN OCCUPANCY, THERE IS A CERTAIN THRESHOLD YOU HAVE TO HAVE PER THE OCCUPANCY.

AND I'M JUST WONDERING, IS THAT GOING TO BE EVEN MORE I MEAN, YOU TALKED ABOUT IT AS AN EIGHT.

AND THEN WHEN YOU GET INTO IT, IS IT GOING TO BE A. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO FIND OTHER REAL ESTATE FOR BATHROOMS. I'M JUST KIND OF WONDERING THIS. I DON'T THINK WE'VE NOT GONE INTO THAT DETAIL.

I MEAN, WE'VE JUST IDENTIFIED WE HAVE THESE BATHROOMS. THEY'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO UTILIZE THEM TO SATISFY SOME OF THE ADA REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE UNDER TOSS.

I MEAN, THAT ACTUALLY WORKS IN OUR DIRECTION BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

BUT AS IT RELATES TO THE DETAILED MEASUREMENTS AND AND WHAT I'M GOING TO CALL THE URINAL COUNT, THAT'S THAT'S IMPORTANT. I HAVEN'T GONE INTO THAT.

THAT HAS NOT BEEN ANALYZED YET. YEAH. WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

BUT I CAN EASILY CALCULATE THE FIXTURE REQUIREMENTS ONCE I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S IN THE BUILDING.

OKAY. BECAUSE I'M HAVING A FEELING THAT WE MAY HAVE TO FIGURE OUT PLAN B TWO AS WELL, BECAUSE PLAN A IS NOT A DIRECTORY MODEL.

THERE MAY BE MORE TOILET ROOMS THAN ARE REQUIRED, AND THEN YOU GET INTO IF IT'S A PRIVATE RESTROOM NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, DOES IT HAVE TO MEET THE PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION.

THANK YOU. WE ARE HAVING A TEN YEAR. I GUESS WE'RE GETTING A TEN YEAR MODEL.

CORRECT. IS TEN YEARS TOO LITTLE TOO MUCH JUST RIGHT? I MEAN, BECAUSE, I MEAN, FIVE YEARS SEEMS TOO FAST.

20TH MAY SEEM TOO LONG, BUT I'M SURE THAT THERE ARE A FEW SYSTEMS THAT COULD BE AT THE 12 YEAR.

AND I GUESS THAT'S WHERE THE FUTURISTIC BUILDING LOOKS LIKE.

SO I'M TRYING TO GAUGE IS THE TEN YEAR THAT WE'VE GIVEN YOU THE PERFECT.

SO I THINK THAT THE DIRECTION IN OUR SCOPE WAS ABOUT OR UP TO TEN YEARS IN LOOKING AT.

AND SO YOU KNOW, THE, A COM COMPONENT IS FULLY WHAT IT'S FULLY VACATED, RIGHT? CORRECT. FULLY VACATED. SO I THINK TO YOUR QUESTION AROUND THE DURATION, THAT TIME PERIOD, THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE FIGURING OUT IN OUR PHASING STRATEGIES. AS I MENTIONED WITH, YOU KNOW, THE BEST PRACTICE APPROACH THAT WE HAD IS KIND OF A, THAT MAY BE FASTER, RIGHT? WE MAY BE ABLE TO DO THAT IN A SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME, BUT THAT MAY INCUR ADDITIONAL COSTS AS FAR AS SWING SPACE OR OTHERWISE.

IF WE GO WITH THE LEAST DISRUPTIVE, MAYBE TEN YEARS IS RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW YET UNTIL WE'VE KIND OF FINISHED THE PHASE STRATEGY. AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE FIGURING OUT AS PART OF THIS PROGRAM. SO I GUESS REAL QUICKLY THOUGH, TEN YEARS, YOU'RE NOT EVEN THOUGH THAT'S OUR TARGET POINT.

IT MAY NOT BE. IT MAY WE MAY GO TWO YEARS AT EIGHT AND 12, RIGHT? I MEAN, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS TEN YEARS IS YOUR STRIKE, BUT YOU COULD MOVE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WITHIN THAT.

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I GET THAT, BUT NO LESS THAN TWO. BUT I GET THAT.

BUT IF SOME PHASE SOME. YES. THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MR. MANAGER. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT TIGHTENING THE NUMBERS, BUT YOU'RE ALSO INDICATING THERE COULD BE A SWING THE OTHER DIRECTION.

I MEAN YOU GAVE THAT AS 30 TO 50%. AND WE KNOW THE AECOM REPORT WAS BASED ON OBSERVABLE CONDITIONS.

AND SO ON PAGE 32, WHEN IT'S TALKING ABOUT ELECTRICAL CIRCUITS, IT TALKS ABOUT ANTICIPATING INVASIVE IN-FLOOR CONSTRUCTION TO ACCESS SLAB EMBEDDED ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS. SO AS A SLAB EMBEDDED ELECTRICAL SYSTEM OBSERVABLE.

IF YOU CAN SEE AN OUTLET, SOMETHING HAD TO SERVE THE OUTLET.

SO THE ASSUMPTION, UNLESS YOU BREAK THE CONCRETE OUT, IS THAT THERE'S A CONDUIT GOING TO THAT OUTLET, BUT I JUST DON'T SEE A LOT OF I SEE POKE THRUS THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING, WHERE THERE'S BASICALLY A HOLE IN THE FLOOR WHERE THEY MECHANICALLY FASTENED A DEVICE ON THE FLOOR FOR POWER DISTRIBUTION. BUT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THE LAST LEG OF THE DISTRIBUTION FROM THE PANEL BOX TO THE WORKSTATION IS VASTLY DIFFERENT. I SEE A LOT OF WIRE MOLD IN THIS BUILDING.

ON THE WALLS, I SEE ALL KINDS OF BAND-AIDS AND SUSPENDERS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT ON THIS SYSTEM TO KEEP IT FUNCTIONAL.

BUT IF WE IF WE REALLY ATTACK THE WHOLE SYSTEM, WE'VE GOT TO DECIDE WHICH OF THOSE THINGS YOU WANT TO PRESERVE AND WHICH YOU WANT TO JUST TAKE OUT OF THE SYSTEM. RIGHT? SO ANTICIPATING INVASIVE IN FLOOR CONSTRUCTION TO ACCESS SLAB EMBEDDED ELECTRICAL SYSTEM SOUNDS LIKE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MIGHT SWING UP VERSUS DOWN OR COULD GO AWAY ENTIRELY IF WE OPT NOT TO USE THE FLOOR AS THE SYSTEM TO DISTRIBUTE THE POWER.

OKAY, I SEE THAT. BUT LET THE RECORD SHOW. MANY HEADS STARTED NODDING WHEN I SAID THAT WOULD SWING THE UP DIRECTION.

SO I'M JUST WONDERING, I MEAN, IF THESE COSTS EVER GO DOWN, TYPICALLY, EVEN IF WE TIGHTEN UP SOME THINGS THAT ARE OBSERVED, THE REALITY IS, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LOOKING AT THE CONVENTION CENTER PROJECT REALLY WORRIED, OH MY GOSH, ARE WE GOING TO GO OVER BUDGET YET? THIS IS THE GREAT UNKNOWN.

AND IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, BLANK CHECK. I'M FEELING THE VIBE FROM SOME.

YEAH. AND I THINK IN OUR REPORT IN BOTH GROUPS KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED THE FACT THAT THERE IS LIKELY PHASED ESCALATION THAT WILL TAKE PLACE POST 2028, THAT IF SOME OF THESE REPAIR NUMBERS THAT ARE TAGGED IN THIS ESTIMATE ARE DEFERRED, IT IS THE NATURAL EVOLUTION OF ESCALATION THAT THE COST OF THOSE COMPONENTS WILL GO UP.

AND THAT'S JUST ABOUT THE TIME PERIOD, NOT ABOUT THE REALITY OF WHAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IS GOING ON ABOUT DISTURBING THINGS THAT WE DON'T ANTICIPATE.

CORRECT. THAT'S THAT'S A THAT'S SIMPLY A MATH EXERCISE ON WHAT KIND OF ESCALATION YOU WANT TO APPLY TO THE NUMBERS AND THE MACHINERY AND WHEN IT GOES IN AND WHEN YOU PROCURE IT. OKAY. SO ONE POINT IS ALSO THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE REPAIR COST.

AND THIS IS ONE SLICE OF THE PIE. SO THE REASON WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BIG BILLION NUMBER IS BECAUSE THIS IS ONE SLICE OF THE WHOLE PIE.

WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT MODERNIZATION WHEN IT'S TIME TO DISCUSS THESE NUMBERS.

SO THAT'S A REALITY. AND WHERE YOU GO I AM YOU KNOW, I VOTED FOR TO DO THIS BECAUSE IT WAS PART OF A BUNDLE THAT GOT US SOME OTHER THINGS TOO.

BUT TEN YEARS IS TOO LONG. I DON'T BELIEVE IN HAVING EMPLOYEES HERE.

I SEE EMPLOYEES WEARING MASKS TODAY. I ASSUME THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF MAYBE HEALTH COMPROMISE.

SO EVEN THE 99.6% MAY NOT BE ENOUGH FOR SOME PEOPLE.

AND HAVE WE LOOKED AT WITH HR, MR. JOHNSON, LIKE HOW MANY PEOPLE MIGHT BE IN A HEALTH SITUATION THAT THIS KIND OF ENVIRONMENT WORKING IN A CONSTRUCTION SITE COULD HURT THEM. WE HAVE NOT EXPLORED THAT WITH THEM.

NOT? NO, MA'AM, I THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE. I MEAN, THESE ARE PEOPLE.

COUNCILMAN WILLIS, IF I COULD JUST JUMP IN FOR JUST A SECOND AND THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENTS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LEARNED DURING THE, THE PANDEMIC AS WE WENT DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT, AS WE LOOKED AT AT WORK, WORK FROM HOME, HOW WE BROUGHT PEOPLE BACK, WE TRULY DID LOOK AT SITUATIONS WHERE WE HAD EMPLOYEES THAT HAD UNDERLYING HEALTH CONDITIONS. AND SOME OF THOSE EMPLOYEES WERE DEFINITELY NOT THE ONES THAT WE EVEN BROUGHT BACK IN OUR FIRST TWO OR 3 OR 4 PHASES WHEN WE CAME BACK TO THE WORKPLACE.

THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE A PART OF SOMETHING WE WOULD DEFINITELY WORK THROUGH.

I WILL SAY IN GENERAL IF YOU WERE TO EVEN LOOK AT SOME OF THE EARLY FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM OUR, OUR EMPLOYEES, WE'VE LED WITH THAT. WE WANT THEM TO BE SAFE NO MATTER WHAT DECISIONS ARE MADE.

IT'S ABOUT HOW DO WE KEEP THEM SAFE IN THE WORKPLACE.

AND I THINK THAT HAS TO BE AN ONGOING PART OF OUR EVALUATION.

AND MY ROLE AS THE CITY MANAGER IS TO TELL EMPLOYEES THAT THEY WILL BE SAFE. AND SO WE DEFINITELY WILL SHARE.

WE HAVE KEPT OUR EMPLOYEES UPDATED. THEY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING TODAY.

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WE CANNOT JUST TALK ABOUT REPLACEMENTS AND SYSTEMS AND CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULES AND ALL THESE THINGS, AND NOT REALLY TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT WHAT WHAT NEEDS OUR EMPLOYEES HAVE.

SO I DO APPRECIATE YOU MAKING THAT COMMENT BECAUSE IT IS A PRIORITY, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE DEFINITELY NEEDING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LIFT UP.

AND WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THEY'VE REGISTERED HEALTH AND SAFETY AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.

SO IT'S NOT FEAR MONGERING UNLESS WE PUT AN EYE MASK ON THEM AND DON'T LET THEM LOOK AROUND AT THE ENVIRONMENT THEY'RE IN, IT'S A REALITY. IN FACT MR. POWELL EVOKED A COMPARISON TO THE MGM FIRE ABOUT COMBUSTIBLE MATERIALS AND SMOKE INHALATION.

SO, I MEAN, I JUST I WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GROWN UPS.

WE CAN HANDLE TALKING ABOUT THE REALITIES OF A ALMOST 50 YEAR OLD BUILDING AND WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF WE WERE IN A BAD SITUATION.

THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR PUBLIC SPEAKERS TODAY TALKED ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF THIS BUILDING AND IT'S THE PEOPLE'S HOUSE, ETC.. AND YOU KNOW, APOLOGIES TO ERNEST HEMINGWAY, BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A MOVEABLE FEAST.

I MEAN, THE WORKING FOR THE PUBLIC, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT GOES WITH THIS BODY, WITH THE GOVERNMENT.

I MEAN, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A COUNCIL CHAMBERS, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A PLAZA.

SO AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT. THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD EVER WANT TO SEE GO AWAY.

IT'S VERY MUCH A SPIRIT AND PHILOSOPHY. THANK YOU.

CHAIRMAN JOHNSON RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE FIRE CHIEF.

THANK YOU CHIEF. WHERE IS THE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS LOCATED? IN THIS BUILDING. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. I'M FIRE CHIEF JUSTIN BALL.

THE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS ON THE FIRST FLOOR ONLY AND BELOW GRADE.

WE'VE GOT SOME DRY CHEMICAL FOR CERTAIN AREAS.

NOT ALL OF IT, BUT, LIKE WHERE THE DISPATCH AND COMPUTER STUFF IS.

THERE'S A DRY CHEMICAL. SO IF THERE WAS A FIRE ON THE UPPER LEVELS, LIKE WHERE WE ARE NOW, HOW WOULD YOU GUYS GET US OUT OF HERE? SO I HEARD THE ATRIUM BROUGHT UP EARLIER WHERE WHAT WE WOULD DO WITH THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT FIRE IN THIS TYPE BUILDING WOULD BE UNLIKELY BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S BUILT.

BUT IF THERE WERE WE CAN REACH EVERY BIT OF THIS FIRE, EVERY EVERY BIT OF THIS BUILDING WITH THE HOSE.

WE WITH THE WAY WE LAY HOSE, WE CAN USE STANDPIPES, LADDER PIPES AND GET TO THE TOP OF THE BUILDING.

WE ALSO, WE WERE, WE, WE HAVE THESE MASSIVE FANS.

SO WE BRING FANS IN, PRESSURIZE THE BUILDING, OPEN THE STAIRWELL WITH THE ROOF ACCESS.

AND WE WOULD DIRECT THE SMOKE OUT OF THE ROOF ACCESS.

AND WE WOULD EVACUATE EVERYBODY FROM A DIFFERENT STAIRWELL, THE ONE WITHOUT ROOF ACCESS AT THE SAME TIME.

SO WE'D KEEP THEM DOORS CLOSED, OPEN THE DOORS TO THE ROOF AND DIRECT THE SMOKE OUT THE ROOF WHILE WE EVACUATE EVERYBODY IN THE STAIRWELL. THANK YOU. FOR YOU. AND THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. THANK YOU. IT'S AGAIN.

WE DON'T HAVE. IT'S NOT ADEQUATE. WE. IF YOU HAVE ONLY SPRINKLER SYSTEM ON THE FIRST FLOOR, THAT'S A PROBLEM. AND THANK THANK GOD FOR HIS EXPERTISE.

AND WE HAVE A GREAT DALLAS FIRE DEPARTMENT. THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET US OUT AND DO THEIR VERY BEST TO KEEP US SAFE AND TO SAVE LIVES.

BUT IT'S STILL A FLINTSTONE ERA. COUNCILWOMAN CHAIR.

STEWART SAID, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE FACTS. HERE ARE THE FACTS.

I HEARD ORIGINAL, ANCIENT OR ERROR HANDLING WHAT MAKES A BUILDING FAIL? WAS ASKED BY COUNCIL MEMBER NEXT TO ME. PASTOR GRACEY ANSWER WAS BASED OFF THE WARREN BEING IN THE MIDDLE, IN THE FLOORS, IN THE WALL. IT WOULD BE LIMITED.

MODERNIZATION. MODERNIZATION WOULD BE LIMITED.

NO SPRINKLER SYSTEM. WHAT WE JUST HEARD IN THE FINAL PHASE OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF OUR BUILDING, OUR CITY HALL IN SEPTEMBER OF 1976. THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A DRAINAGE PROBLEM CAUSED BY THE RAIN.

THIS IS A VIDEO WHERE I AM PAID. THEY PLACED BUILDING SUPPORT TO KEEP THE GARAGE BUILDING FROM BUCKLING.

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THIS IS 2026 AND APPARENTLY THEY DIDN'T MAKE IT DRY.

WE STILL HAVE A PROBLEM THAT THEY ACKNOWLEDGED IN 1976.

THAT'S A CONCERN FOR ME. WE ASKED WHEN WE FOUGHT FOR SOUTH OAK CLIFF HIGH SCHOOL.

WE ASKED EPA ABOUT ASBESTOS, SWING SPACE AND ASBESTOS GETTING AIRBORNE.

HERE'S WHAT THEY SAID TO US DURING THE SOUTH OAK CLIFF HIGH SCHOOL FIGHT THAT MY SON LED THE PROTEST.

THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT EVEN WITH SWING SPACES, THAT THE FIBERS ASSOCIATED WITH ASBESTOS CANNOT GET AIRBORNE.

I DON'T SUPPORT SWING SPACE. I DON'T SUPPORT BEING HERE WITH THE DRILLING AND ALL THOSE THINGS, AND I DON'T SUPPORT KEEPING OUR WORKERS HERE DOING A MASSIVE CONSTRUCTION.

WE DIDN'T DO IT FOR EDUCATORS AND KIDS. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO IT NOW.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YOU'RE WELCOME. AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN FOR ONE MINUTE.

ONE MINUTE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE CITY MANAGER TO INSTRUCT STAFF TO SET UP A WEB PAGE WITH ALL THE DOCUMENTS RELATED TO THIS PROJECT.

THERE'S A LOT OF PUBLIC INTEREST, AND IT REALLY OUGHT TO BE AGGREGATED IN ONE PLACE SO EVERYONE CAN FIND IT.

REPORTS, BRIEFINGS, MEMOS, FAQS, EVERYTHING TOGETHER.

THAT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE ABOUT COMPARING THIS PROJECT TO THE CONVENTION CENTER, WHICH I'LL JUST POINT OUT. FOR YEARS, WE STILL DON'T HAVE A BUDGET ON THE CONVENTION CENTER, BUT WE'RE ALREADY DOING DEMO. SO NOT REALLY EVEN SURE WHAT TO SAY.

PLUS, WE STILL HAVE $200 MILLION OF DEBT ON A BUILDING WE'RE TEARING DOWN.

AT LEAST THIS BUILDING IS TOTALLY PAID FOR. AND LASTLY, IN TERMS OF FIRE RISK MAY I ASK THE FIRE CHIEF COME BACK? WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IS THE FIRE RISK OF THIS BUILDING? HIGH. LOW. MEDIUM. AS FAR AS THE BUILDING CATCHING IS VERY LOW RISK.

WHY IS THAT? IT'S CONCRETE. NOW THERE'S CONTENT.

SO A LOT OF IT YOU COULD COME COMPARTMENTALIZE.

THE ATRIUMS ARE BIGGER ISSUE. BUT IT'S STILL, IT'S, IT'S NOT HIGHLY LIKELY JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE CONSTRUCTION IS.

OKAY, WELL, I SEE I HAVE SEVEN SECONDS. I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.

THANK YOU. I WANTED TO ADDRESS THE QUESTION OR THE RECOMMENDATION, NOT A QUESTION THAT WAS MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN MENDELSOHN. THE DOCUMENTS ARE AVAILABLE ALREADY.

I WANTED MR. GORI TO TELL THE CITY COUNCIL WHERE ALL THE DOCUMENTS ARE LOCATED ON OUR EXISTING WEBSITE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CITY MANAGER MICHAEL REED, CHIEF OF STAFF TO THE CITY MANAGER.

YES. ALL THE REPORTS AND DATA AS IT RELATES TO CITY HALL ARE ON THE CITY HALL WEBSITE, AS WELL AS THOSE IN CITY SURVEY AND ALL DOCUMENTS RELATED TO CITY HALL. OKAY, I'M GOING TO USE MY SEVEN SECONDS THEN GO AHEAD.

THE ADDITIONAL ALL THE LINKS TO THE PRESENTATIONS INSTEAD OF HAVING PEOPLE GO TO LEGISTAR, IF EVERYTHING COULD JUST BE ALL IN ONE PLACE.

SO THANK YOU FOR PUTTING TOGETHER WHAT YOU HAVE.

THAT'S YOUR TIME. YOU COULD EXPAND IT. THANK YOU. THAT'S GOOD. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. LORI BLAIR, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE. ONE MINUTE.

CAN I HAVE CHIEF HALL AGAIN, PLEASE? THANK YOU.

HE'S SPECIAL.

CHIEF HALL, YOU SAID THAT FIRE IN THIS BUILDING IS UNLIKELY.

BUT IF YOU NEEDED TO EVACUATE PEOPLE. HAVE WE EVER HAD A FIRE DRILL? AND DO WE KNOW HOW TO EVACUATE SUCCESSFULLY? AND DO WE HAVE A PLAN? IT'S BEEN A WHILE, BUT YEAH, WE'VE HAD FIRE DRILLS AND WE'VE EVACUATED PEOPLE TO THE PARKING LOT.

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DO WE HAVE A PLAN TO EVACUATE THOSE THAT ARE ADA REQUIRED.

YEAH. OKAY. BECAUSE WE USED TO DO IT. WE USED TO DO IT.

I'VE BEEN IN A BUILDING THAT WAS ON FIRE WHEN I WORKED IN LA.

AND WITHOUT A PLAN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE FEAR, AND WE DID NOT HAVE PEOPLE TO COME BACK INTO THE BUILDING BECAUSE OF THE FEAR.

COUNCIL I MEAN CHIEF CITY MANAGER, CAN I ASK THAT WE IRREGARDLESS OF THIS, CAN WE GET A EVACUATION PLAN AND AN UPDATE ON HOW TO EVACUATE SUCCESSFULLY IF THERE IS ANY KIND OF CATASTROPHE IN THIS BUILDING? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCILWOMAN BLAIR, AND THANK FOR OUR CHIEF PAUL FOR HIS VERY ELOQUENT RESPONSE.

I THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DEFINITELY LOOK AT UPDATING ALL OF THOSE PLANS.

AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY. BACK DURING THE DAY, WE USED TO HAVE CAPTAINS ON EACH FLOOR AND THE CAPTAIN ASSIGNED TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE HAS BEEN RETIRED FOR FIVE YEARS. AND THERE'S NO NEW CAPTAIN.

SO I DO BELIEVE THAT WE DEFINITELY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THAT HOLISTICALLY, MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE, ESPECIALLY FOR A LOT OF OUR NEW EMPLOYEES AND THOSE THAT DEFINITELY HAVE MAYBE SOME ACCESSIBILITY CHALLENGES.

YES, MA'AM. SO THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY. I THINK THE CHIEF IS JUST BEING REAL KIND RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO DO, AND WE'LL BE WORKING TO GET THAT ACROSS THE FINISH LINE. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT OBSERVATION.

AND ALSO OUR COUNCIL MEMBER, WE WE HAVE A FIRE MARSHAL WORKING HERE ASSIGNED TO THIS BUILDING, AND THEY WORK ON OUR FLOOR AT SEVEN A SOUTH. AND IN OUR PLAN, WE GO TO EVERY, HE GOES TO EVERY FLOOR AND MAKE SURE EVERY PERSON HAS GOT OFF THE FLOOR LIKE STRAIGHT AWAY.

SO WE'LL, WE'LL SET UP ANOTHER DRILL. THANK YOU.

MR. SENATE IS RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I THINK IT'S REALLY HELPFUL, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE JUNE 3RD BRIEFING THAT WE GET BEFORE THE CONVERSATION ENDS, THOUGH, I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO TO REFLECT ON THE TONE OF THIS CONVERSATION COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS BRIEFINGS.

IT'S HARD NOT TO NOTICE THAT TODAY'S CONSULTANTS, FORTUNATELY, ARE BEING TREATED VERY DIFFERENTLY THAN THE PRIOR TEAM THAT DELIVERED CONCLUSIONS. SOME OF US DISAGREED WITH, YOU KNOW, DISAGREEING WITH RECOMMENDATIONS IS ABSOLUTELY FAIR, BUT QUESTIONING THE INTEGRITY OR MOTIVES OF PROFESSIONALS SIMPLY BECAUSE WE DISLIKE THE INFORMATION THEY PRESENT IS NOT HOW THIS BODY SHOULD CONDUCT ITSELF.

WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY ASK HARD QUESTIONS, BUT WE SHOULD ALSO BE MATURE ENOUGH AS A GOVERNING BODY TO DEBATE POLICY CHOICES WITHOUT ATTACKING THE CHARACTER OF THE PEOPLE, PRESENTING INFORMATION, OR CREATING AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE EXPERTS OR STAFF ARE CRITICIZED SIMPLY SIMPLY FOR DOING THE WORK WE HIRED THEM TO DO.

THE PUBLIC DESERVES LEADERS WHO CAN EVALUATE FACTS WITHOUT TURNING EVERY DIFFICULT CONVERSATION INTO A SEARCH FOR FOR VILLAINS.

I ALSO THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US AROUND THIS HORSESHOE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE CONDUCT OURSELVES TOWARDS EACH OTHER.

THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DEBATING POLICY AND ATTACKING THE MOTIVES OF COLLEAGUES, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY'RE OPEN MINDED ABOUT EXPLORING ALL AVAILABLE OPTIONS.

THE LATTER IS NOT A WISE STRATEGY. IF YOUR GOAL TRULY IS TO SAVE CITY HALL AT ALL COSTS.

GIVEN THAT WE'RE THE ONES WHO ULTIMATELY HAVE THE DECISION MAKING POWER, SOME MEMBERS OF THIS BODY HAVE BEEN UNFAIRLY PORTRAYED AS HAVING BAD MOTIVES, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY'RE WILLING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE FUTURE OF CITY HALL, INCLUDING WHETHER MOVING ON FROM THE CURRENT FACILITY SHOULD AT LEAST BE EVALUATED ALONG OTHER OPTIONS. THAT'S NOT UNREASONABLE. THAT'S PART OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS POLICY MAKERS.

WE WERE ELECTED TO EVALUATE FACTS, COSTS, RISKS AND LONG TERM IMPACTS, NOT TO BLINDLY COMMIT OURSELVES TO ONE OUTCOME BEFORE ALL THE INFORMATION IS ON THE TABLE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR OUR EXPERTS WHO JOINED US TODAY.

AS YOU'RE REVIEWING AND SOMEWHAT VALIDATING THE ELEMENTS OF THE ACOM REPORT, DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR NEED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM THAT REPORT? I WOULD SAY AT THIS POINT IN TIME, AS I REFERENCED, THE ONLY DOCUMENTATION THAT WE DON'T HAVE AS FAR AS COMPLETING THE DOCUMENTATION SET IS THE ELECTRICAL DRAWINGS AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

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AND I THINK CHIEF JOHNSON WILL BE ABLE TO KIND OF GUIDE US THROUGH SOME OF THOSE COMPONENTS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ADDITIONAL THAT YOU SEE AT THIS POINT. YEAH.

WE HAVE GATHERED WORKED REALLY HARD TO GATHER AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO SALUTE THE CITY STAFF. THEY'VE ALWAYS THEY'VE BEEN HELPFUL ANYTIME WE HAD AN ISSUE.

AND RESPOND TO QUESTIONS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE HAVE LEARNED IS WE'VE UNDERSTOOD THIS BUILDING BETTER IS A LOT OF CREDIT GOES TO THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY STAFF THAT HAVE KEPT THIS THING GOING LIKE THEY HAVE.

I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE REALIZED, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFICULTY IN DOING A LOT OF THAT WITH LIMITED MONEY.

BUT I THINK THEY'VE, THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB AND THEY'VE CERTAINLY COOPERATED WITH US.

AND THE AECOM CONSULTANTS HAVE ALSO BEEN VERY HELPFUL TO US AND SHARED, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION.

AND IN THE, A GROUP THAT, YOU KNOW, IS, IS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT THEY'VE SHARED INFORMATION WITH US AS IT RELATES TO SOME OF THEIR OBSERVATIONS.

SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WE COULD ALWAYS USE MORE TECHNICAL INFORMATION, BUT AS IT RELATES TO A COOPERATIVE ATTITUDE WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE AN INTEREST IN CITY HALL, PEOPLE HAVE PLAYED VERY FAIR AND STRAIGHTFORWARD WITH US, AND WE APPRECIATE IT, AND WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET A BETTER OUTCOME AT THE END OF THE DAY. HOWEVER, YOU ALL CHOOSE THAT, BUT I THINK A LOT OF THE PEOPLE OUT THERE DESERVE SOME PRAISE AND PAT ON THE BACK AS PEOPLE RECOGNIZE HOW SERIOUS THIS IS.

THANK YOU. DO YOU DO ANY OF Y'ALL HAVE ANY REASON TO DISCREDIT ANY OF THE REPORTS ON THEIR FINDINGS? NOT IN ANYTHING WE'VE OBSERVED SO FAR. OKAY. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE ELEMENTS OR THE, THE COMPONENTS OF THE BUILDING, FOR EXAMPLE, THE HVAC.

WE KNOW THAT THOSE PARTS ARE NO LONGER BEING FABRICATED.

AND SO AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PIECEMEALING THESE EQUIPMENTS TOGETHER.

HOW MUCH LIFESPAN DOES THAT ADD VERSUS A BRAND NEW PIECE OF EQUIPMENT? IT'S INTERESTING. MOST MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT FOR CENTRAL PLANTS WOULD HAVE A 20 TO 25 YEAR LIFE EXPECTANCY, BUT YOU ONLY GET A ONE YEAR GUARANTEE OR WARRANTY WHEN YOU BUY IT.

IT'S NOT LIKE YOU HAVE A 10 OR 20 YEAR WARRANTY.

IT'S ONE YEAR. AND IS IT POSSIBLE TO BUY INSURANCE? I'M CERTAIN IT'S AVAILABLE AT SOME PRICE, BUT JUST BECAUSE YOU BUY NEW EQUIPMENT THAT'S DESIGNED TO LAST 20 OR 25 YEARS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REMEDY IS. IF IT IF IT GOES OUT IN TWO YEARS OR THREE YEARS FOR NO APPARENT REASON.

BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THE AVAILABILITY OF EQUIPMENT IS IMPORTANT AND REPLACEMENT PARTS ARE IMPORTANT.

SO SOMETIMES WE'RE RETICENT TO PAY HIGHER DOLLAR FOR A BRAND NAME.

BUT THAT BRAND NAME HAS A BETTER CHANCE OF BEING THERE WHEN YOU NEED THAT REPLACEMENT PIECE.

SO ALL I WOULD SAY IS MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN YOU DON'T NEED TO BUY FERRARIS.

I'VE ALREADY USED THAT REFERENCE TODAY. YOU DON'T NEED TO BUY FERRARIS TO HAVE FUN, BUT YOU JUST HAVE TO YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT THE FACT THAT EVERYTHING REQUIRES ONGOING MAINTENANCE. AND THOSE MACHINES THAT ARE DESIGNED TO LAST 20 OR 25 YEARS ABSENT MAINTENANCE WILL NOT LAST.

EVEN THE COOLING TOWERS THAT THE CITY BOUGHT RECENTLY, THOSE COOLING TOWERS ARE OPEN CELL COOLING TOWERS, MEANING THERE'S AN OPEN LOOP IN THE PIPE THAT FEEDS THE COOLING TOWER.

THAT WATER THAT FALLS GATHERS DIRT, AND IT GETS INTO CONTAMINATING THAT WHOLE LOOP OF THE CONDENSER WATER LOOP THAT GOES FROM THE CHILLER OUT TO THE COOLING TOWER. AND I SPOKE TO ONE OF YOUR FOLKS HERE ON STAFF WHO SAID, YOU KNOW, WE WE DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO MAINTAIN THIS SYSTEM. IT'S A VERY SOPHISTICATED SYSTEM. AND ALL I WOULD SAY IS THAT MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENT IS NOT HARD TO UNDERSTAND, BUT IT'S DIFFICULT TO DO WELL. I PROMISE YOU, I SEE THIS ALL THE TIME WHERE THE BEST INTENTIONS DON'T MAINTAIN THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. AND THE ONLY THING I'LL ADD, MAYOR PRO TEM IS THAT WITHOUT KNOWING YET IN OUR PROCESS, WHAT ELEMENTS COULD BE REPLACED WITHIN THE FULL END TO END SYSTEM, IT'S HARD FOR US TO GIVE PREDICTIONS ON, YOU KNOW, EXTENDED LIFE OF CERTAIN COMPONENTS OF THE REPAIR PIECE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

SO I KNOW THE THE RESOLUTION OR THE MANDATE WAS FOR A TEN YEAR FIX.

I CAN TELL YOU I DON'T SUPPORT A TEN YEAR FIX.

I THINK NO ONE WANTS TO LIVE AT HOME THROUGH A TEN YEAR RECONSTRUCTION DEAL.

BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING,

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THAT SHOULD NOT BE OUR GOAL. OUR GOAL SHOULD BE TO MAKE THIS BUILDING AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE.

AND SO I HOPE THAT WE DON'T DO THINGS JUST ENOUGH TO GET IT THROUGH.

WE SHOULD ALWAYS BE STRIVING TO MAKE THIS AS SAFE AND ACCESSIBLE AS POSSIBLE.

WHEN IT COMES TO FIRE, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT OVERALL FIRE SAFETY NOT A LOT OF CONCERN, BUT WHAT I DO WANT TO FOCUS ON IS THE SMOKE INHALATION. AND IS THERE A. A WAY TO REMEDY THAT? CURRENTLY, THE WAY THE BUILDING IS LAID OUT, HOW DO WE ADDRESS SMOKE INHALATION? THE ONLY INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE ON THE SMOKE EVACUATION SYSTEM FOR THE ATRIUM CAME TO US ABOUT 24 HOURS AGO, OR 48 HOURS AGO. AT THIS TIME, I WAS GIVEN A A BIT OF INFORMATION.

THERE ARE 30 EXHAUST FANS AT 950 CFM. THAT'S 28,500 CFM.

YOU MULTIPLY THAT TIMES 60 MINUTES. THAT'S A LITTLE OVER ONE POINT 7,000,000 CUBIC FEET PER HOUR.

AND YOU WOULD THINK, MY GOSH, ONE POINT 7,000,000 CUBIC FEET OF EXHAUST IS IS ALL YOU NEED.

NOT BY THE CODE. THE CODE IS SIX AIR CHANGES PER HOUR IN THE ATRIUM.

IT WOULD BE SIX TIMES THAT AMOUNT REQUIRED TODAY UNDER THE CURRENT CODE.

ALL I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT OVERKILL? YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW.

BUT WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE EXHAUSTING AIR OUT OF AN ATRIUM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE MAKEUP AIR COMING IN OR YOU BASICALLY CREATE STAGNATION.

WE'VE GOT TO HAVE DOORS OR LOUVERS THAT OPEN ON THE GROUND FLOOR OF THE ATRIUM, THAT ALLOW AIR TO COME IN AT THE GROUND FLOOR AND BE EXHAUSTED OUT THE TOP, AND THERE'S NO SHORTCUT ON THAT. YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THAT AIR MAKEUP EQUIVALENT TO WHATEVER'S BEING PUSHED OUT THROUGH THE DAMPERS IN THE ROOF OR THE LOUVERS.

SO ALL I WOULD SAY IS THIS IS A STUDY I FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS 48 HOURS AGO.

I'D LIKE TO RUN THIS TO THE GROUND. I'LL DO A CODE ANALYSIS AND MAKE SURE WE GOT IT RIGHT.

BUT I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE LIFE SAFETY SYSTEMS ARE NOT FAIL SAFE AND THINGS HAPPEN.

SO IS THERE A SAFETY FACTOR ON THAT? SIX AIR CHANGES PER HOUR? I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT'S WHAT IT'S WHAT THE THE BUILDING CODE SAID IN 1994, THE FIRST TIME A CODE REQUIREMENT WAS WRITTEN FOR THE ATRIUM.

BUT DO WE BELIEVE THERE'S A REMEDY TO THAT? IS IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE COULD DO TO ADDRESS THAT? WELL, YEAH, FIRST OFF, LET'S LET'S GET THE FACTS.

I LET'S GET THE FACTS ON WHAT IT IS. I DID A BACK.

SOMEBODY SAID, DON'T USE BACK OF THE NAPKIN. I HAD TO DO A BACK OF THE NAPKIN ESTIMATE OF WHAT THE CUBIC FEET OF SPACE IN THE ATRIUM IS.

AND I WAS WORKING OFF OF FLOOR PLANS THAT I HAD TO CREATE A GRAPHIC SCALE JUST TO MEASURE.

AND SO I'M DOING MEASUREMENTS AND TRYING TO CALCULATE VOLUMES.

AND BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO, IF THE ATRIUM ISN'T SEPARATED FROM THE CORRIDORS ADJACENT TO THE ATRIUM, ALL THAT CORRIDOR AREA GETS ADDED TO THE ATRIUM SQUARE FOOTAGE BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T BARRICADE IT, YOU DIDN'T STOP THE AIR. SO WE HAVE TO TAKE ALL OF THOSE TRIBUTARIES INTO THE ATRIUM WHERE SMOKE, IF YOU'RE PULLING AIR OUT, THEY'RE BRINGING THEY'RE BRINGING SMOKE IN FROM ALL PARTS OF THE BUILDING.

ALL I WOULD SAY IS IT NEEDS FURTHER STUDY. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE THAT ON AS AN ASSIGNMENT, BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE ME A FEW DAYS TO GET AN ANSWER ON WHAT THE RIGHT.

NO WORRIES. AND THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS OBVIOUSLY THE HEALTH OF OUR EMPLOYEES AND OUR RESIDENTS VISITING THE BUILDING.

BUT ALSO, IF THAT OPENS, IT OPENS US UP TO LIABILITY.

SHOULD THERE BE A FIRE, SHOULD THERE BE SMOKE INHALATION? AND SO CITY ATTORNEY. WHAT WOULD BE OUR LIABILITY? KNOWING THAT WE KNOW WE CURRENTLY DON'T MEET THOSE STANDARDS.

MR. MAYOR, I THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT IT.

AND WE MIGHT NOT EVEN TALK ABOUT THAT OUT HERE.

OKAY. I'LL I'LL JUST END WITH AGAIN TODAY. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A CHARGE TO MAKE A DECISION OR A VOTE, INCLUDING THE DIALOG THAT WE'RE HAVING AND THINKING THE RESIDENTS THAT CAME OUT TO SPEAK TODAY, WE HEARD FROM BOTH PERSPECTIVES FROM PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES, PEOPLE WHO RIGHTFULLY SO, ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS BUILDING AND WANT TO DO WHAT THEY CAN TO PRESERVE IT, BUT ALSO FROM RESIDENTS WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE, SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS BUILDING,

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SO I WANT TO THANK ESPECIALLY COUNCILMEMBER FOR HIS WORDS TODAY.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. CHAIRMAN JOHNSON, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE.

THANK YOU. I WANT TO THANK THE CITY MANAGER FOR HER LEADERSHIP.

MAYOR JOHNSON, THANK YOU ALSO FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP CONCERNING GETTING THIS MOVEMENT DOWN WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.

I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS CAN BEING KICKED DOWN THE ROAD FOR SO MANY YEARS.

I WANT TO THANK COUNCILMAN RESENDEZ FOR HIS RESPONSE.

IT WAS FACTUAL. IT WAS ALSO TALKING ABOUT OPERATING IN GOOD GOVERNANCE.

SO I WANT TO APPRECIATE YOU AND THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN RESENDEZ FOR THAT.

FOR ME, TOO MUCH UNCERTAINTY. WHAT I HEAR IS A TEN YEAR DELAY, A BARE MINIMUM, MORE PATCHWORK.

I AGREE WITH WHAT MAYOR PRO TEM SAID. WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND MAKE A REAL DECISION.

AND MORE. PATCHWORK IS NOT WHAT IS NEEDED. WE'VE KICKED THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD A LONG TIME, AND AS MAYOR JOHNSON SAID, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A TOUGH DECISION.

AND SO IT'S GREAT FOR US TO HEAR THIS AND KNOW WHAT'S GOING FORWARD, BECAUSE OUR COMMUNITY WANTS US TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, AND WE NEED TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS AND THE TOUGH DECISIONS, NOT MORE PATCHWORK. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MR. BAZALDUA, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO GET CLARIFICATION. THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ON THE TEN YEAR PLAN, ESPECIALLY WITH KIND OF THE PRELIMINARY REPORT THAT YOU ALL HAVE GIVEN.

NOW, IT DOESN'T SEEM AS IF IT'S EVEN BEING PROPOSED THAT THIS IS A CONTIGUOUS TEN YEAR FEAT THAT YOU ALL ARE SAYING WOULD HAVE TO OCCUR AT A AT AN ENTIRE IN ITS ENTIRETY. I MEAN, THERE'S NOT A TEN YEAR DISRUPTION.

AND CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? I MEAN, THERE'S THERE ARE THERE ARE GOING TO BE PRIORITIES.

PRIORITIES THERE WOULD BE PHASED OUT. THERE'D BE FINANCING OF WHAT WOULD BE PHASED OUT IN THE PRIORITIZATION.

YOU'RE IN NO WAY PROPOSING THAT THERE IS TEN YEARS WORTH OF WORK THAT IS GOING TO BE NEEDED WITHIN THIS BUILDING.

THAT'S THE WAY THAT IT'S KIND OF BEING FRAMED. I WANT TO JUST GET CLARITY ON THAT, PLEASE. SO WE HAVE TWO APPROACHES.

AS I REFERENCED. ONE OF THEM WOULD BE TO BE AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE IN THE CONSTRUCTION DELIVERY.

AND YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT THROUGH THE FULL DESIGN OF THAT YET, BUT I WOULD ENVISION THAT BEING LESS THAN TEN YEARS ON THE MINIMALLY DISRUPTIVE COMPONENT.

WE HAVE NOT COMPLETED THAT EXERCISE FULLY, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THAT COULD TEND ITSELF TO BE ON THE LONGER DURATION OF THAT.

BUT WITHOUT COMPLETING THOSE EXERCISES AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE THE FULL DURATION. THANK YOU.

I JUST I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THAT THAT IS THE DISCREPANCY THAT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT.

THIS ISN'T ABOUT TAKING THINGS PERSONAL. THIS IS ABOUT PROVIDING THE OVERSIGHT AND THE ACCOUNTABILITY THAT WE WERE ELECTED TO DO.

AND THE FACT THAT THERE'S THAT BIG OF A DIFFERENCE FROM WHAT WE'RE GETTING FROM THE ORIGINAL TO ME, IS ABSOLUTELY THE REASON WHY WE ARE ASKING THESE QUESTIONS.

ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT CAME FROM THE MARCH 4TH RESOLUTION THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING, THE TEN YEAR STATEMENT THAT WAS INDICATED WITHIN THAT SCOPE.

SO WE ARE RECOGNIZING THAT WE WANT TO DEMONSTRATE AN APPROACH THAT IS STRETCHED ACROSS TEN YEARS AND ACCOUNTING FOR HOW THAT IMPACTS THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS OF THE SCOPE OF WORK. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE CLARITY.

AS BLACKMON RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE. THANK YOU.

AND TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT, I THINK WHAT IF I COULD IF TO CLARIFY, I THINK WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO MOVE OUT OF THE BUILDING FOR TEN YEARS, I THINK IS WHAT IT'S KIND OF LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU COULD WORK THE PLAZA.

IT MAY BE THAT THE EMPLOYEES IN THE BUILDING MAY BE DISRUPTED FOR 3 TO 5 YEARS OR 2 TO 4.

IS THAT PART OF THE SEQUENCING? CORRECT. AND I THINK IF WE GO TO PAGE 28 THAT SHOWS THE RISK MATRIX THAT WE'RE LEVERAGING.

I MEAN, ONE OF THE ELEMENTS IS CALLED OUT THERE IS THE GENERATORS, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT REQUIRE A RELOCATION OF ANY STAFF DURING THAT TIME PERIOD.

SO THERE MAY BE ELEMENTS OF THIS PROGRAM THAT DO NOT REQUIRE RELOCATION OF STAFF.

I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT POTENTIAL RELOCATION OR SWING SPACE OF STAFF, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VERY INVASIVE WORK THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE IN AREAS WHERE THERE'S STAFF WORKING ON A DAILY BASIS TODAY. AND WILL YOU IDENTIFY THAT IN YOUR REPORT THAT COMES BACK AS THIS IS WHEN STAFF MOVE OUT NEEDS TO HAPPEN? YES, MA'AM. BECAUSE I MEAN, I JOHN, I GUESS YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING ON GENERATORS WITH US IN THE BUILDING.

WE HAVEN'T FINISHED THE PROJECT. WE STARTED THE DESIGN WORK, BUT THERE WAS NO CONSTRUCTION. BUT THE DESIGN WORK.

YES. AND YOU HAVE DONE WORK IN THE BUILDING WITH EMPLOYEES IN IT.

IN THE PAST? WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE. AND THERE HAVE BEEN OCCASION THAT THE WORK HAS DISTURBED THE CHAMBERS.

AND SO WE'VE HAD TO STOP, I THINK, FOR ROOF REPAIRS AND ELEVATORS.

SO, OKAY, I JUST WANTED TO JUMP IN TO, BECAUSE OF THE EXAMPLE THAT JOHN USED, WAS VERY ISOLATED INTO MAYBE JUST A VERY SMALL SECTION OF THE BUILDING.

I THINK WHAT WE WANT THIS TEAM TO DO, AND IT'S A PART OF THEIR SCOPE.

IF THERE IS A NEED FOR SOME MORE EVASIVE WORK TO BE DONE FOR THEM TO RECOMMEND, IS THAT WORK THAT YOU ONLY HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF

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AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WANTED THEM TO KIND OF DO THE SEQUENCING, DEFINITELY BASED ON PRIORITIES, WHAT'S CRITICAL, AND THEN SHOW US, OKAY, SO IF YOU'RE WORKING ON, YOU KNOW, FLOORS 7 OR 6, THEN EVERYBODY IN THE BASEMENT, THEY'RE GOOD OR YOU'RE WORKING ON A LOWER LEVEL AND MAYBE EVERYBODY THAT'S EITHER BELOW THAT LEVEL OR ABOVE WOULD BE THE ONES THAT YOU WOULD IMPACT.

SO THAT'LL BE A PART OF WHAT WE'LL BRING BACK TO YOU.

AND IT'S A PART OF THE SCOPE THAT THEY HAVE TO DELIVER THAT FOR US.

SO IT'S NOT TEN YEARS OF EVERYBODY VACATING THE BUILDING.

I THINK THAT'S I THINK EVERYBODY'S I THAT'S WHAT I WAS HEARING PEOPLE SAYING BECAUSE, OKAY, BUT IT COULD BE 3 TO 5 OR IT COULD BE 1 TO 2, WHATEVER IT IS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. MADAM CITY MANAGER, I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE.

MR. MAYOR, THAT CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC PRESENTATION ON THE REPAIR PROGRAM.

WE WILL DEFINITELY CONTINUE AS WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST 45 TO 60 DAYS, GIVE YOU UPDATES WHETHER IT'S VIA MEMO ON THE NEXT STEPS AND WHERE WE ARE.

AND THEN ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE DID NOT ANSWER TODAY.

WE WILL DEFINITELY MAKE SURE THAT WE SEND THOSE BACK TO YOU IN A WRITTEN MEMO, INCLUDING MAKING SURE THAT ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED UP UNTIL THIS TIME, THAT THEY'RE ALL COMBINED ONTO THE WEBSITE. SO THE PUBLIC HAS ACCESS TO THOSE.

THAT'S IT FOR THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. AND YOU ALL MAY BE EXCUSED.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALRIGHT, I'M GOING TO READ YOU SOME STATUTORY LANGUAGE.

WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION NOW. IT'S 5:33 P.M.

[CLOSED SESSION]

WE'LL CALL IT 6:00. ALL RIGHT. THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING HAS COMPLETED ITS CLOSED SESSION UNDER SECTIONS FIVE, 51.071 AND 551.07, TWO OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, AND AT 8:15 P.M.

ON MAY 20TH, 2026, WE'VE RETURNED TO OPEN SESSION.

MADAM SECRETARY, ANYTHING ELSE? NO FURTHER BUSINESS, MR. MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TODAY, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. 816.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.