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[Landmark on June 1, 2026.]
AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THE PUBLIC MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION.IT IS JUNE 1ST, 2026, AND WE ARE IN SESSION AT 1 0 5.
I'M EVELYN MONTGOMERY, THE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION, AND DAVID POSI IS OUR VICE CHAIR, AND WE HAVE A QUORUM OF EAGER AND KNOWLEDGEABLE COMMISSIONERS HERE.
IF ELAINE WOULD PLEASE CALL THE ROLL CALL DISTRICT ONE.
COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY PRESENT, DISTRICT THREE.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR PRESENT, DISTRICT SIX.
COMMISSIONER RENO WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY.
DISTRICT 11 COMMISSIONER ANTE WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY.
COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER ANDERSON PRESENT AND COMMISSIONER RES PRESENT.
UM, IS, IS MY UNDERSTANDING WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENTARY PORTION.
IS THAT PERSON ONLINE OR IN THE, ALRIGHT.
WELL, IF HE JOINS, LET US KNOW AND WE'LL MAKE TIME FOR THAT IN BETWEEN SOMETHING ELSE.
UH, COMMISSIONER OSI, DID YOU HAVE SOME MOTIONS TO MAKE? UH, YES, I DO.
UH, FOR ITEMS NUMBER ONE TO SIX, WHICH ARE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THOSE ITEMS BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
SECOND, UH, ITEMS NUMBER ONE THROUGH SIX, WHICH IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SECOND, UH, A, OH, I THINK COMMISSIONER HARPER FIRST SAID THAT.
SO COMMISSIONER HARPER WAS THE SECOND ON THAT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
SO ALL OF THOSE HAVE BEEN RULED, UH, BASED ON STAFF SUGGESTIONS AND I SEE SOME MORE GENTLEMEN HAVE COME IN.
IF YOU'RE PLANNING ON SPEAKING, WE ASK YOU TO FILL OUT THAT YELLOW CARD UP THERE AND TURN IT IN SO WE KNOW WHO'S WAITING TO SPEAK.
NOW I HAVE A MOTION TO RE REARRANGE THE AGENDA BASED ON, UH, THE APPLICANTS THAT ARE PRESENT AS WELL AS THOSE ONLINE.
UM, AND SO THESE ARE THE, THE NEW, UH, THE NEW NUMBERS HERE.
SO IN ORDER, UH, NUMBER 20 21, 8 9 14, 15, 18, 10, 11, 12, 13, 19, AND SEVEN SECOND, UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER RES FOR YOUR SECOND.
SO THAT'S 20, 21, 8, 9, 14, 15, 18, 10, 11, 12, 13, 19, 7.
YEAH, I, I'LL I'M GONNA WRITE IT DOWN FOR YOU.
SO THAT, AND UM, SO WE'RE BEGINNING WITH QUEEN CITY, THAT IS ITEM 20.
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU NEED TO, I JUST NEED TO TURN TO THE PAGE.
OH, WE, UH, COMMISSIONER HARPER, WOULD YOU BE OVERJOYED TO READ TASK FORCE TODAY? I THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE.
RHONDA DUNN, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF PRESENTING DISCUSSION ITEM 20, CASE NUMBER 26 DASH
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1 8 8 5 A.UH, THIS IS THE QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL DISTRICT SEVEN.
IT'S CURRENTLY UNDER PRE-DESIGN MORATORIUM AND THE REQUEST IS FOR A LANDMARK COMMISSION AUTHORIZED HEARING TO CONSIDER REINITIATION OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS TO ESTABLISH A HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY CONSTITUTING A SUB-DISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 9 5, AN AREA KNOWN AS THE QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD.
GENERALLY BOUNDED BY STATE HIGHWAY THREE 10, ALSO KNOWN AS SM WRIGHT FREEWAY.
WARREN AVENUE, MALCOLM X BOULEVARD, AND EUGENE STREET.
ALRIGHT, AND WE HAVE SEVERAL SPEAKERS ON, ON THIS EVENT, BUT THERE IS ONE ONLINE WHO I KNOW HAS SOME TIME PRESSURES.
SO, MS. JOLLY, CAN WE HEAR FROM HER FIRST? OKAY, I SEE SHE'S ON I DON'T, UM, MS. JOLLY, WE ARE GOING TO NEED YOUR CAMERA ON.
IT IS A STATE LAW SPEAK IN OUR MEETING.
IS SHE HAVING A DIFFICULTIES? I, OKAY.
PERHAPS WE COULD CALL ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE PHYSICALLY WHILE WE WAIT FOR THIS TO BE WORKED OUT.
DO WE NOT HAVE EVA JONES? IS SHE OUTSIDE?
WOW, THAT WAS A GOOD PICK ON MY PART.
WE'VE ALL BEEN WAITING TO HEAR
SO START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE, MA'AM.
HELLO? YES, WE HAVE A BOOK ON.
I HAVE LIKE, PEOPLE THAT REALLY WANT US TO BE DOWN HERE TODAY, BUT THEY'RE AT WORK.
YOU GUYS HEAR ME? AND SO, WELL, I GUESS IT WASN'T, YEAH, THAT'S BETTER.
HOW ABOUT THAT? YOU GUYS HEAR ME? OKAY.
UH, MISS PUBLIC RELATIONS HERSELF.
OKAY, SO, UH, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME APOLOGIZE FOR THE BLUNDER.
UM, I, I'M, I'M DOWN HERE TO ASK FOR A REINSTATEMENT OF OUR, UM, DESTINATION.
AND WHAT I RAN INTO TODAY IS THE RESIDENTS WERE, WHY IS IT THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE 'EM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY? I WORK, UH, I NEED TO GO TO THE DOCTOR, BUT BELIEVE YOU ME, THERE'S MS. JESSICA JOLLY.
UM, WE DO HAVE THE SUPPORT FOR THIS INITIATIVE, AND SO WE'RE HERE TO ASK THAT, THAT BE, UH, REINSTATED.
I ALSO, WHILE I STAND AT THIS MIC, IT'S SO MANY PEOPLE THAT I WANNA THANK I I I, I JUST DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE WHAT KIND OF, OF SUPPORT THAT QUEEN CITY
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WOULD GET, BEING THAT WE'VE BEEN NEGLECTED FOR SO LONG.THE CITY STAFF HAS BEEN ABOVE AND BEYOND REPROACH.
WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE TO STEP FORWARD IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE WILLING TO TAKE OVER, UH, WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO NEXT.
AND THE REASON FOR THIS IS I ALSO WORKED ON PD 5 9 5, WHICH THAT AUTHORIZED HEARING, UH, IT PASSED AND NOW WE GO BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO IS TO GRANT US THIS TIME SO WE CAN ESTABLISHED WHAT IT IS THAT WE NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO HAVE OUR DESTINATIONS THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
UH, BECAUSE BEING A VOLUNTEER IS TOUGH AND YOU ALL ARE DOWN HERE EVERY TIME I COME.
WE KNOW HOW MUCH YOU'VE BEEN DOING ON THIS PROCESS.
I NEED YOU TO BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
MY NAME IS JESSICA JOLIE AND MY ADDRESS IS 23 0 6 STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2.
OKAY, GO AHEAD AND TELL US WHAT YOU WANNA SAY ABOUT QUEEN CITY.
UM, WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON LANDMARK COMMISSIONERS.
I AM GLAD TO SPEAK WITH YOU TODAY.
ON BEHALF OF QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND STRONG SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSED HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT DESIGNATION FOR QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M A PROUD RESIDENT OF QUEEN CITY AND HAVE LIVED ON EUGENE STREET SINCE DECEMBER OF 2021.
QUEEN CITY IS MORE THAN JUST A COLLECTION OF HOMES AND STREETS IS A LIVING TESTAMENT TO THE HISTORY, RESILIENCE, CULTURE, AND CONTRIBUTIONS OF GENERATIONS OF AFRICAN AMERICAN FAMILIES IN DALLAS.
FOR DECADES, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS REPRESENTED COMMUNITY PRIDE, FAITH, AND PERSEVERANCE.
ITS STORIES MATTER AND ITS LEGACY DESERVES TO BE PROTECTED.
I'M ALSO AMAZED THAT I CAN SAY THAT I LIVE ON THE SAME STREET AND IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD AS THE MUSIC LEGEND RAY CHARLES ONCE DID.
THE CITY OF DALLAS HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT EXISTS TO PRESERVE AREAS WITH DISTINCTIVE HISTORICAL, CULTURAL, AND ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE IS INTENDED TO STABILIZE NEIGHBORHOODS, PREVENT UNCHARACTERISTIC, REDEVELOPMENT, AND ENSURE THAT FUTURE GROWTH RESPECTS THE IDENTITY AND CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY.
QUEEN CITY EMBODIES EXACTLY WHY THIS DESIGNATION WAS CREATED ACROSS DALLAS, WE HAVE SEEN HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS RAPIDLY TRANSFORM IN WAYS THAT ERASE THE VERY CULTURE AND HISTORY THAT MADE THEM MEANINGFUL IN THE FIRST PLACE.
WITHOUT PROTECTION, UH, COMMUNITIES LIKE QUEEN CITY RISK LOSING THEIR ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER, CULTURAL IDENTITY, AND HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE FOREVER.
THIS DESIGNATION IS NOT ABOUT STOPPING PROGRESS, SORRY.
UH, IT IS ABOUT GUIDING PROGRESS RESPONSIBLY AND THOUGHTFULLY.
IT IS ALSO ABOUT HONORING THE GENERATIONS WHO BUILT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WHILE ENSURING FUTURE GENERATIONS CAN STILL RECOGNIZE AND EXPERIENCE ITS UNIQUE CULTURE AND HERITAGE.
GRANTING THIS HISTORIC OVERLAY DESIGNATION WOULD SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS VALUES PER PRES PRESERVATION RESPECTS COMMUNITY HISTORY AND BELIEVES NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE QUEEN CITY DESERVE TO ENDURE.
SO WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU WOULD GRANT THE REQUEST THAT MS. EVA HAS SHARED HELPING TO PRESERVE THE DEEP HISTORY, RICH CULTURE AND LASTING LEGACY OF QUEEN CITY FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
NOW WE HAVE ONE MORE PERSON ONLINE, UH, DR. TODD ATKINS.
WE DO NEED YOUR CAMERA TURNED ON.
IT'S A STATE BALL, BUT WE HAVE TO SEE.
THANK YOU LANDMARK COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR, UH, FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR THIS SPACE TO SPEAK A WORD ABOUT THE COMMUNITY THAT I LOVE.
MY NAME IS REVEREND DR. TODD ATKINS, 39 18 CROZIER STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 5.
I'M HERE TO BOLDLY AND PROUDLY SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE COMMUNITY THAT I LOVE QUEEN CITY.
SO OFTEN OUR HISTORY IS ORAL, BUT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THAT ORAL HISTORY THAT HAS BEEN PASSED DOWN FROM GENERATIONS, FROM GRANDMOTHERS TO GRANDCHILDREN, UH, FROM SIDEWALK CONVERSATIONS TO FROM FOR FRONT PORCH CONVERSATIONS
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AND TO REALLY HIGHLIGHTING AND PRESERVING THE COMMUNITY, THIS HISTORY OF THIS GREAT COMMUNITY.I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE KEY IN PRESERVING NOT ONLY THE HISTORICAL, THE HISTORY OF THIS COMMUNITY AND THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO THE HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF THIS COMMUNITY.
THIS WILL ALLOW THIS COMMUNITY TO BE PROTECTED FROM OVER DEVELOPMENT AND ALSO TO PROTECT IT FROM DEVELOPMENT THAT IS IN THE WORDS OF A FRIEND OF MINE GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE CURRENT HOUSING STOCK THAT HAS SHAPED THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THIS COMMUNITY.
SO I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS AS WELL AS THE PEOPLE THAT I REPRESENT ON THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK FAITH COALITION THAT IS A PROUD, UH, LEADER IN THE QUEEN CITY AREA.
SO I WANT TO THANK PERSONALLY ALL THOSE WHO HAVE WORKED IN FAVOR OF THIS.
WE HAVE WORKED SO HARD AND WE NEED TO GET THIS OVER THE FINISH LINE.
SO I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND IN ADVANCE I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF THIS HISTORICAL OVERLAY.
AND THANK YOU FOR VISITING WITH US TODAY, SIR.
I WAS GONNA SAY, OR IS IT SHANAE? THAT WAS MY SECOND CHOICE.
MY NAME IS SHANAE DIXON AND MY ADDRESS IS 38 30 KENARD STREET.
I WAS RAISED IN THIS COMMUNITY.
MY GRANDMOTHER ALSO OWNED A HOME IN THIS COMMUNITY.
SO BACK MY GRANDMOTHER CAME IN THE LATE FIFTIES TO THIS COMMUNITY.
AND KNOWING THE HISTORY OF IT AND BEING A PART OF IT AND THE LEGACY BEHIND IT, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE PRESERVED.
UM, A LOT OF, UH, COMMUNITIES LIKE THIS HAVE BEEN, UM, DISMANTLED AND TO SAY THE LEAST AND BEING THAT IT'S ONE OF THE LARGEST INTACT ONES, I THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT IT BE PROTECTED ON A LOCAL LEVEL.
AND, UM, THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY.
AND THEN WE HAVE THERESA GARRETT.
MY ADDRESS IS 2234 EUGENE STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 5.
I DID NOT COME IN TODAY WITH GUCCI SHOES OR POTTER SHOES, MY SHOES ON.
I HAVE ENJOYED DOING THE RESEARCH, BEING A HOMEOWNER AT MY ADDRESS, WHICH IS MY GRANDMOTHER, MY GRANDPARENTS', UH, ADDRESS, FINDING OUT SO MANY RICH NUGGETS ABOUT JUST MY PARTICULAR ADDRESS.
UM, I DID FIND OUT THAT, UM, JUDGE LEWIS BEDFORD JR.
HE AND HIS WIFE, UM, TRYING TO KEEP HIM CRYING WHEN I TELL YOU IT'S SO AMAZING.
I HAD HEARD ABOUT 'EM, BUT I WASN'T THE BEST KID TO DO HISTORY.
AND I WAS HAVING A GREAT TIME GOOGLING, THANK GOD WE HAVE GOOGLE NOW INSTEAD OF ENCYCLOPEDIAS, AND WAS ABLE TO FIND OUT ALL THIS INFORMATION.
AND THE MORE INFORMATION I FOUND AND READ, IT BECAME EMPOWERING FOR ME AS A INDIVIDUAL, AS A CITIZEN, AS A HOMEOWNER.
AND THEN TO KNOW THAT HOW RICH THE GROUND IN MY HOME THAT I LIVE IN REALLY, REALLY IS IN MY DIGGING.
I FOUND GOD, MY HOUSE IS LIKE A MUSEUM BECAUSE I STILL GOT SOME OF MY GRANDMA'S STUFF.
IT MAY BE WORTH SOMETHING SO YOU DON'T THROW EVERYTHING AWAY.
BUT IN THE FINDING, I FOUND THE ORIGINAL RECEIPT BETWEEN ATTORNEY.
WELL THEN JUDGE BEDFORD AND HIS WIFE VELMA, THEY ACCEPTED $10, DO A $10 DOWN PAYMENT FOR 2234 EUGENE STREET.
AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT HOW THEIR LIVES COUNT ACROSS, JUDGE BEDFORD DID A LOT IN DALLAS COUNTY.
UM, A LOT OF THE SAME THINGS WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, FIGHTING FOR FAIR HOUSING, UM, FOR THE LOWER INCOME, MIDDLE INCOME, WE'RE IN THE SAME ARENA.
AND, UM, TO JUST KNOW THAT MY GRANDPARENTS WERE MY GRANDFATHER, HE WAS ONE OF THE FIRST HOLISTIC, UH, DOCTORS IN DALLAS, JUDGE BEDFORD AND MY GRANDFATHER AUGUSTA C WEST, THEY BOTH SERVED ON THE ELKS LODGE.
THEY BOTH, THEY DID A LOT OF COMMUNITY, A LOT OF POLITICAL, THEY DID ALL OF THE FOUNDING PILLARS THAT YOU WOULD LOOK FOR IN A COMMUNITY WHICH WILL IN TURN
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MAKE A CITY OR A AREA.SO I BELIEVE THAT IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP THIS GOING.
I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH MY CHILDREN AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
YOU HAVE THE NEED CONVERSATIONS AND RIGHT TO THIS DAY AT WILL MIDDLE SCHOOL IN DALLAS, IN DISD HAS BEEN NAMED AFTER JUDGE BEDFORD WHEN I SHARED THAT WITH MY SON, WHO IS A FORMER STUDENT UP AT WELL, AND NOW HE'S GROWN.
EXCUSE ME, MA'AM, THAT IS YOUR TIME.
CONNECT, EXTEND, UH, TWO MINUTES TO THE CURRENT SPEAKER.
YOU HAVE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? I HAVE ALL THESE.
OKAY, NOW WE HAVE DONE THE FORMAL GO AHEAD.
BUT MY MAIN THING IS, IS THAT THE INFORMATION IS ALREADY THERE.
WE'VE ALREADY PRESENTED IT, UH, ESPECIALLY ABOUT MY ADDRESS AND THE HOMEOWNER AND EVERYTHING.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WHAT'S COMING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE.
RIGHT NOW THERE'S A YOUNG MAN THAT IS A CEO OF DALLAS CITY HOME, JASON BROWN.
HE IS NOW HAS, UH, ON HIS SECOND HOME THAT HE HAS BUILT ON MY STREET AND TO BE IN THE SAME ARENA.
AND WE HAVE THE SAME CONVERSATION.
SHE'S LIKE, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS? WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS? THAT CREATES AN ENVIRONMENT OF COMMUNITY AND ENGAGEMENT AND IT SPREADS.
WOULDN'T, I WOULD RATHER PUT SOMETHING POSITIVE LIKE THAT TO SPREAD IN OUR COMMUNITY THAN TO BE THE THINGS THAT'S ALREADY PROJECTED ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY.
THERE IS GREATNESS IN QUEEN CITY AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE ALREADY EMBARKED UP ON IT.
WE JUST NEED SOME MORE TIME TO BE ABLE TO DO ALL THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO ON THIS SIDE FOR THE PAPERWORK, AS WELL AS BE ABLE TO REACH OUR COMMUNITY AND LET THIS WHOLE IDEA OF CHANGE AND THE RICHNESS OF OUR COMMUNITY BE THROUGHOUT THEM SO THEY CAN EN EN ENJOY IT TOO AND HAVE A SENSE OF INVOLVEMENT AND ENTITLEMENT.
I GOT ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU,
ALL THESE PAPERS AND I DIDN'T READ ANY OF THIS.
OH, AND JASON BROWN, HE IS ALSO, HE COMES FROM QUEEN CITY AS WELL.
OH, THAT'S ALL THE SPEAKERS THAT WE HAVE REGISTERED FOR QUEEN CITY.
SO COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER SMITH HAVING TECHNICAL ISSUES OVER HERE, UM, IN THE, EXCUSE ME, IN THE, UM, MATTER OF CASE 28 DASH 1 8 8 5 5 A, UH, I MOVE THAT WE, UM, EXCUSE ME, I MOVE THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, UH, AUTHORIZED HEARING, THE REINITIATION OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR THE QUEEN CITY'S NEIGHBORHOOD.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA THERE.
ANY COMMENTS ON THIS BEFORE WE VOTE? ALRIGHT THEN.
ALL THOSE IN ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
SO QUEEN CITY IS REINITIATION INITIATED FOR ITS CONTINUING PROCESS AND WE THANK YOU FOR HANGING ON THROUGH THIS PART.
PART OF THE DELAY WAS YOU DO HAVE A THOUSAND HOUSES.
IT TAKES A LITTLE WHILE FOR US TO COUNT AND RECORD THEM ALL IN PREPARATION FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
OUR NEXT DESIGNATION HAS SOMEWHAT FEWER HOUSES THAN A THOUSANDS
THANK YOU ALL VERY
ALRIGHT, SO NEXT UP WE'LL BE DOING D 21, WHICH IS THE INITIATION OF MS. ROAD.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM D 21, CASE NUMBER 26 DASH 1 8 8 6 A.
THIS IS REGARDING MACHAN ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD IN COUNCIL DISTRICT 13.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A LANDMARK COMMISSION AUTHORIZED HEARING TO CONSIDER INITIATION OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS TO ESTABLISH A HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT FOR THE AREA KNOWN AS MACHAN ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD.
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NORTH AND SOUTH LINES OF MACHAN ROAD FROM MUMFORD DRIVE TO A POINT WEST OF PRESTON ROAD.ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU DR. DUNN.
UH, WE HAVE FOUR SPEAKERS ONLINE AND TWO THAT TURNED IN YELLOW SHEETS TO SPEAK FROM THE AUDIENCE.
ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WANTED TO SPEAK, IF YOU, UM, FILL OUT A YELLOW SHEET AFTER YOU SPEAK AND JUST TURN IT IN SO WE HAVE THAT RECORD.
SO WE'LL START OFF WITH THE PEOPLE.
UH, OKAY, I SEE THE FIRST ONE.
TYRONE POWELL HAS HIS HAND UP.
ARE YOU HAVING ANY TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES MR. POWELL? BECAUSE WE DO NEED YOUR CAMERA ON NOW.
IS HE HAVING THAT COMMUNICATION PROBLEM? THAT
OKAY, UM, MR. POWELL, DO YOU HAVE YOUR MICROPHONE ON NOW? YES.
I THOUGHT I HAD MY VIDEO ON JUST A MINUTE AGO.
WE DO NEED YOU TO TURN THE VIDEO ON.
CAN YOU SEE ME? CAN YOU SEE ME NOW? NO.
I THINK I SAW THAT'S REVEREND REVEREND WILLIS BRODEN THERE? YES.
PLEASE BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN TELL US WHAT YOU WANNA TELL US ABOUT SHAN ROAD.
MY NAME IS REVEREND WILLIS BRODEN, SENIOR 57 40 SHAN ROAD.
REALLY, I JUST WANNA THANK Y'ALL.
I WANNA THANK Y'ALL FOR WHAT Y'ALL HAVE DONE THROUGH THIS DURATION, AND I JUST ASK THAT YOU HEARD ALL THE FACTS.
BASICALLY WE CAN SAY IT IS IN YOUR HANDS.
AND I THINK Y'ALL KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR MAX CHAN ROAD AND I'M HOPING THAT Y'ALL WILL FOLLOW YOUR SPIRITS AND DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THIS STREET AND WHAT IS BEST FOR THE BLACK RACE.
OH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND WORDS.
MR. POWELL STILL DOESN'T HAVE HIS CAMERA ON.
I DO SEE EITHER HELEN OR ELIZABETH BRODEN IS PROBABLY WHO I'M SEEING ONLINE RIGHT NOW, CORRECT? YES.
ELIZABETH BRODEN IS HERE ONLINE.
I DON'T THINK HELEN BRODEN IS GONNA SPEAK TODAY.
UM, MY, MY ADDRESS IS 5 7 4 0 SHAN ROAD.
AND WHAT DID YOU HAVE TO SAY? I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR EFFORTS IN JUST GETTING ALL OF THE RELEVANT INFORMATION AND LENDING YOUR SUPPORT TO EVERYTHING THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD MEANS TO ALL OF US.
WE ARE GENERALLY ENTHUSED FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO STATE TO THE WHOLE WORLD THAT THIS IS SOMETHING SPECIAL.
THIS IS HISTORIC AND THIS IS REALLY, UM, VITAL WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT DALLAS IS TRYING TO DO.
AND IN PRESERVING THESE TYPES OF NEIGHBORHOOD, IT IS VITAL TO THAT GOAL AND WE'RE HAPPY TO BE IN PROCESS OF IT.
I KNOW MOST RECENTLY WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT ANY OPPOSITION HAS BEEN REMOVED TO THE PROCESS OR, OR FROM THE PROCESS.
SO I'M JUST HERE REALLY JUST LENDING, UH, MY SUPPORT FOR YOUR EFFORTS AND, AND SAYING HOW MUCH THIS IS REALLY, UM, FORTIFYING WHAT WE ALREADY FEEL ABOUT THE MICHAN NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I AM SO GRATEFUL THAT AS, UM, I HAVE CHILDREN AND MY CHILDREN COME INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AS RESIDENTS, THEY CAN LOOK BACK TO EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS DONE AND BE ENCOURAGED THAT THEY ARE BOTH SEEN AND SUPPORTED, UM, AS WE HAVE BEEN THUS FAR.
AND IT'S GOOD TO HEAR THAT SOME OF THOSE WHO WERE HESITANT IN THEIR APPROVAL OF THIS HAVE RETHOUGHT THEIR OPINIONS AND ARE NO LONGER VOICING SUCH OPPOSITION.
MR. POWELL, ARE YOU READY YET? UH, NOT QUITE.
DO YOU SEE MY BOX ANYWHERE? YOUR BOX IS HERE.
IT'S JUST EMPTY OF ANYTHING BUT YOUR NAME.
SINCE THIS IS NOT QUASI JUDICIAL, DO WE HAVE TO SEE THEM ONLINE CITY ATTORNEY?
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WE DO.THE, OUR, OUR, OUR TECHNOLOGY EXPERT IS SUGGESTING YOU CHECK THE START VIDEO BUTTON IF YOU HAVE IT, WHICH SHOULD BE AT THE BOTTOM WHERE THERE'S A SERIES OF BUTTONS THAT IS ALL THE, THAT'S THE FOR SUM TOTAL OF MY KNOWLEDGE ON THIS.
NAME, ADDRESS, AND THEN TELL US WHAT YOU WANTED TO SAY.
MY NAME IS YVONNE PRINCE AND ADDRESS IS 57 0 8 HAN ROAD.
AND I'M JUST WISH TO THANK THE COMMISSIONERS FOR THE HARD WORK THAT HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS.
AND IT'S A, IT IS REAL IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE OF THE HISTORICAL NATURE OF THE STREET, MUCH LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT JUST LEFT HAD MENTIONED OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THIS WAS, UH, DEVELOPED LIKE IN THE EARLY 1950S AT A TIME WHEN THERE WERE NO BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CRESTON HOLLOW AREA.
AND IT'S FOR REASONS THAT WE DISCUSSED BEFORE.
REAL IMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, HISTORY AS FAR AS THAT WERE FIRST ON THE STREET AS FAR AS BLACK PROFESSIONALS, YOU CAN HELP ME CIRCLE DISTRICT WOULD OR DESIGNATION WOULD, YOU KNOW, ONE, THERE WOULD BE COMMUNITY PRIDE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I RECOGNIZE AND I RECOGNIZE THESE VIDEO SETTINGS AND START MY VIDEO SO THEY CAN MR. POWELL, COULD YOU TURN YOUR MICROPHONE OFF WHILE YOU'RE TALKING WITH SOMEONE ELSE? I'M SORRY.
SECOND, PROTECTION OF SITES THAT HAVE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE DESIGNATIONS OFFER LEGAL PROTECTIONS FOR HISTORIC SITES, SAFEGUARDING THEM FROM POTENTIAL DESTRUCTION OR ALTERATIONS THAT CAN THREATEN THEIR HISTORICAL INTEGRITY.
THIRD, REGULATION OF DEVELOPMENT DESIGNATION PROVIDE A FRAMEWORK FOR REGULATING DEVELOPMENT, ENSURING THAT NEW CONSTRUCTIONS AND OPERATIONS EXIST IN BUILDINGS.
RESPECT THE AREAS HISTORICAL CHARACTER FOR SUPPORT FOR PRESERVATION FUNDS AND TAX CREDIT DESIGNATIONS CAN MAKE PROPERTY OWNERS ELIGIBLE FOR PRESERVATION FUNDS AND HISTORIC TAX CREDITS, WHICH CAN OFFSET THE COST OF MAINTENANCE AND REHABILITATION INSTEAD OF THE SITE'S DEMOLITION.
AND FIVE, PRESERVATION OF ARCHITECTURAL AND CULTURAL HERITAGE DESIGNATIONS AID IN PRESERVING THE ARCHITECTURAL AND CULTURAL HERITAGE OF A COMMUNITY, ENSURING THAT THE AREA'S UNIQUE IDENTITY IS MAINTAINED FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
THERE IS MUCH HISTORY AGAIN WITH THE STREET OF MACHAN AS WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY, AND I'M HOPING THAT THE HISTORICAL DESIGNATION WILL BE GRANTED.
I MOVE, WE GIVE THE SPEAKER TWO MORE MINUTES.
IS THAT GOOD? I THINK SHEILA? YEAH, I WOULD, I'M FINISHED.
OH, WE THANK YOU MA'AM FOR YOUR APPRECIATE IT.
WE DO KNOW THAT THIS IS A VALUABLE HISTORIC PLACE THAT MUST BE PRESERVED AND UNIQUE WITHIN THE CITY.
AND IF YOU'VE ONLY GOT ONE OF THOSE, YOU DEFINITELY WANNA PRESERVE IT.
OH, LISA FLETCHER, 56 15 SHAN ROAD.
UM, AND AS YOU KNOW, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE SHAN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND SO I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE NOT IN THE ROOM AND NOT ON THE PHONE.
AND, UM, I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT WE ARE HERE AT THIS FINAL MEETING TO EXPRESS OUR SINCERE GRATITUDE
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TO THE COMMISSION, CITY STAFF AND DISTRICT 13 LEADERSHIP FOR YOUR TIME, DEDICATION, AND THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION OF OUR HISTORIC OVERLAY APPLICATION.FIRST, WE WANT TO THANK COUNCIL MEMBER GAY WILLIS FOR HER INITIAL LEADERSHIP AND ENCOURAGEMENT OR RECOMMENDATION THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD APPLIED FOR THIS HISTORIC, FOR THIS HISTORIC OVERLAY.
SET US ON THIS PATH TO PRESERVE 150 YEARS OF HISTORY, STARTING WITH THE ALPHA FRIEDMAN SETTLEMENT AND CONTINUING ON TO THE LEGACY OF SHAN ROAD.
ADDITIONALLY, WE WANT TO EXTEND A SPECIAL THANK YOU TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSIONERS AND THE CITY STAFF WHO TOOK TIME OUT OF THEIR BUSINESS SCHEDULES TO ATTEND OUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
I MEAN, WE REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS SHOWED UP FOR US SO MANY TIMES, UM, HAVING YOU PRESENT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO LISTEN TO RESIDENTS TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND NAVIGATE FEEDBACK FIRSTHAND AS INCREDIBLY WAS INCREDIBLY MEANINGFUL.
YOUR ACCESSIBILITY TRULY HELPED TO DEMYSTIFY THE PROCESS AND PROVIDE ESSENTIAL GUIDANCE AS WE REACH THIS FINAL STAGE.
NO MATTER WHAT THE FINAL OUTCOME OF TODAY'S PROCEEDINGS, WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE YOUR LEADERSHIP AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO LISTENING TO THE DIVERSE VOICES OF ONE OF THE DALLAS COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC SERVICE, YOUR TIME TODAY, AND YOUR DEEP INVESTMENT IN THIS PRESERVATION OF OUR CITY'S HISTORY.
AND NOTE THAT EVERYBODY WHO'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS, IT'S BEEN OUR PLEASURE TO DO SO.
WE, WE REALLY VALUE YOUR STRONG INTEREST AND LEADERSHIP TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD GETS THE RECOGNITION IT DESERVES.
NOW WE DO SEEM TO HAVE LOST MR. POWELL ONLINE, BUT I WOULD SAY SINCE HE'S BEEN THE LAST THREE MEETINGS THAT I ATTENDED, HE'S IN FAVOR, RIGHT? HE ALWAYS WAS.
EVEN IF HE CANNOT SPEAK, WAIT, WE KNOW HE'S IN FAVOR.
WELL, I WILL, I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR BRINGING THIS, UM, TO THE CITY.
UH, THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S BEEN, UM, REALLY FUN TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO MEET THE RESIDENTS AND THAT ALL OF THE MEETINGS, THEY HAVE WONDERFUL FOOD, UH, WHICH ENCOURAGES LOTS OF GREAT PARTICIPATION.
THAT'S WHY YOU NEED TO COME TO THE NEXT MEETING, MARCUS
UM, SO I'M JUST, I'M REALLY EXCITED AS THE COMMISSION, UH, MEMBER FOR THIS DISTRICT TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS, UH, INITIATION OF THE DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR THIS REALLY WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M GLAD THAT, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE, UH, AT LEAST TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS AND WE HAD ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING BEFORE THAT.
UM, BUT TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO ASK QUESTIONS AND TO LEARN ABOUT THE PROCESS AND TO GET INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS, THERE'LL BE MUCH MORE TO COME, UH, ONCE WE GET THROUGH THIS TODAY.
SO WE'RE STILL GONNA NEED YOUR HELP TO GET THIS ACROSS THE FINISH LINE.
AND I'M ALSO PLEASED, UM, THAT Y'ALL HAVE BEEN ABLE TO WORK WITH THOSE WHO WERE NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS AT THE LAST MEETING TO HELP BRING THEM ON BOARD.
I KNOW THERE'S STILL A LOT MORE TO GO IN THIS PROCESS, BUT IT'S ENCOURAGING THAT YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO, UH, WORK WITH THEM UP TO THIS POINT.
UH, SO WITH THAT, I MEAN, I HAVE A MOTION UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY OTHER COMMENTS.
I DO WANNA SAY, I THINK MR. POWELL IS BACK ON LISTENING.
I TOOK THE LIBERTY OF SPEAKING FOR YOU, SIR, AND SAYING YOU WERE IN FAVOR OF THE DESIGNATION AND I HOPE THAT
I'M GLAD HE HAS NOT CHANGED HIS MIND FOR SOME DARN REASON.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS NEED TO SPEAK OR COMMISSIONER PER HAS? ALL RIGHT.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IN THE, UH, CASE NUMBER 26 DASH 1 8 8 6 A SHAN ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE INITIATE THE, UH, DESIGNATION, PRO HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS TO ESTABLISH HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT FOR THE AREA KNOWN AS SHAN ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD.
GENERALLY LOCATED ALONG NORTH AND SOUTH LINES OF HAN ROAD FROM MONTFORT DRIVE TO A POINT WEST OF PRESTON ROAD.
WHO WAS THE FIRST SECOND I HEARD? I THINK COMMISSIONER OSA HAD THE FIRST SECOND.
ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY? ARE WE JUST GONNA JOYFULLY DO OUR VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
UNANIMOUSLY, IF WE HAVE NOW INITIATED THE DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR SHAN ROAD, THIS BEGINS A LONG ALL OF WORK.
THIS BECOMES A LONG PROCESS WHERE Y'ALL WILL HELP US MAKE SURE THERE IS AN APPROPRIATE HISTORY OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AN APPROPRIATE ORDINANCE IN PLACE TO PROTECT WHAT YOU VALUE.
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OH, CHANCE.WELL, I WAS LOOKING FOR YOU ON THE SCREEN AND YOU WERE NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.
I, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OUR GENERAL PUBLIC SPEAKING, SO PLEASE COME FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE.
SO BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE, SIR.
YOU MAY NEED TO LEAN DOWN A LITTLE BIT TO GET TO THE MICROPHONE SO PEOPLE AT HOME CAN CONSENT.
1402, UH, CORIN, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 5.
AND WHAT DID YOU WISH TO SPEAK ABOUT SPEAKING IN REGARDS TO THE, I GUESS THE, THE ANNUAL REPORT, THE FY 20 24 20 25 ANNUAL REPORT? UH, I KNOW IT WAS ON THE AGENDA BRIEF THIS MORNING.
ONE PARTICULAR QUESTION I HAD IN REGARDS TO IT AND AFTER THIS QUESTION WAS SENT, UH, JANUARY 5TH, 2026 AND IT WAS NOT ANSWERED, BUT, UH, ITEM 2.6 SAYS, FORM FORMALIZE THE CURRENT COLLABORATION WITH PRESERVATION DOLLARS BY HOSTING REGULAR PRESERVATION WORKSHOP AND ASSIGNING A PRESERVATION PLANNER AS A PERMANENT LIAISON FOR WORKSHOP PLANNING, PUBLISHED WORKSHOP SCHEDULED WITH 2024, INCLUDING POTENTIAL A GUEST INSTRUCTOR FROM OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.
I KNOW THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN 20 24, 20 25, BUT IS THERE A PLAN TO MAKE THAT COME TO FRUITION? UH, THIS COMING YEAR? OKAY.
WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD IS THAT STAFF CAN'T ACTUALLY ANSWER ANYTHING DURING THIS PUBLIC PRESENTATION.
YOU JUST LET US KNOW IF YOU THOUGHT, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO WORK TOWARDS THAT MEETING, THAT GOAL.
UH, THERE HAS BEEN SHORT STAFF LATELY, BUT NOW THERE'S ONE MORE PERSON THEY'VE ADDED AND BEFORE THAT THERE WAS ONE MORE PERSON THEY ADDED.
SO ALL I CAN SAY IS I HOPE THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO BETTER MEET ALL, MEET ALL THE NEEDS IN THE COMING, COMING MONTHS AS THEY LOOK, WELL THEY SAID THEY'RE CLOSING THEIR MOUTH AND NOT SAYING ANYTHING, BUT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY ANYTHING RIGHT NOW.
SO THANK YOU FOR COMING TO SEE US TODAY.
THAT IS AN IMPORTANT THING THAT WE NEED TO DO.
WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS WE NEED TO DO AND WE'RE TRYING.
THE NEXT THING ON OUR LIST IS EIGHT, WHICH IS A COURTESY REVIEW ABOUT A, UH, EXPANSION OF A HOME IN 10TH STREET DISTRICT.
SO COMMISSIONER TAYLOR HAS TO RECUSE HIMSELF ON THIS ONE.
UH, I NO LONGER SEE HIM ONLINE, SO I GUESS HE TOOK, OH, THERE HE GOES.
WHO TOOK CARE OF THAT? SO, UH, SHANNON BROWN.
I NEED YOU TO START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
OH, SOMEBODY HAD THEIR HAND UP.
AND DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU'LL BE TELLING US THE TRUTH TODAY? YES.
OH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
YOU CAN LIE ALL YOU WANT, BUT WHEN YOU COME FOR AN ACTUAL RULING, YOU HAVE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
WELL, STAFF WANTED TO READ IT INTO THE RECORD.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE TO STOP A SECOND.
LET'S STAFF READ IT INTO THE RECORD.
UH, COURTESY REVIEW ITEM, I GUESS CR EIGHT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS 26 DASH 1 8 5 7 A.
RHONDA DUNN SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 2 0 2 SOUTH CLIFF STREET AND COUNCIL DISTRICT FOUR 10TH STREET, HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, CA NUMBER COA DASH 26 0 0 0 2 1 5.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW WAIT.
A COURTESY REVIEW OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A LEFT SIDE EDITION WITH SIDE PORCH TO THE EXISTING MAIN BUILDING STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
SINCE THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION IS REQUIRED, BUT THE REQUEST WAS THAT THE WAS TO CONSTRUCT THE LEFT SIDE ADDITION WITH A SIDE PORCH TO THE EXISTING MAIN BUILDING.
RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IT BE CONCEPTUALLY DENIED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL REVISED DESIGNS AS WELL AS ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS ONLY NON-SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS, SUBMIT THREE SEPARATE CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS.
ONE FOR REHABILITATION OF THE EXISTING MAIN BUILDING, TWO FOR THE PROPOSED ADDITION, AND THREE FOR THE CONVERSION OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO A TWO CAR GARAGE.
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ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.NOW, MS. BROWN KEY, GO AHEAD AND TELL US WHAT YOU'D LIKE US TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.
SINCE THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW.
WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING IS TALKING BACK AND FORTH, TRYING TO HELP YOU, UH, BETTER MAKE YOUR PLANS FIT, WHAT IS LIKELY TO BE ULTIMATELY APPROVED HERE.
SO WE'RE HERE TO HELP YOU MAKE IT FIT IN WITH OUR EXISTING ORDINANCE.
WE'LL START BY THANKING, UM, YOU GUYS THE COMMISSION FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO SUCH AS THE TASK FORCE AND STAFF.
UM, WE ARE VERY DEDICATED TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT ONLY OUR OFFICES IN DISTRICT FOUR, OUR LEAD LIVES IN 10TH STREET AS WELL AS I LIVE IN DISTRICT FOUR.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS WORKING WITHIN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO IMPROVE IT COLLECTIVELY SINCE 2012.
SO WE'RE VERY DEDICATED TO THE, UM, MAINTAINING OF THE HISTORY WHILE ALSO PROVIDING OWNERS, PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN LIVING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD A PLACE TO EFFECTIVELY WORK, LIVE AND PLAY.
FOR THIS PROJECT, WE ARE WANTING TO TAKE AN EXISTING HOME AND BREAK IT DOWN TO THE STUDS AND FOUNDATION, UM, AND THEN REBUILD IT WHILE REBUILDING IT.
WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD AN ADDITION OF, UM, ANOTHER SEPARATE HOME, MAKING IT A DUPLEX.
WE WANT TO, UM, REPAIR THE EXISTING SIDING, THE STRUCTURAL WALLS, THE WINDOWS, THE ROOFS, THE PORCH, THE BRICK COLUMNS, THE ELECTRIC, THE PLUMBING, ALL OF THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO REDO IN THE EXISTING HOME TO MAKE IT MATCH THE NEW, UM, ALL OF THOSE NEW SPECIFICATIONS THAT WE'LL BE DOING IN THE NEW SIDE OF THE HOME.
I BELIEVE THE TASK FORCE MAIN, WHEN WE, WHEN WE MET WITH, UM, LANDMARK, THE MAIN ISSUE WAS NOT HAVING A CONTINUOUS PORCH HAVING TWO SEPARATE PORCHES FOR THE ENTRY.
BUT SINCE THEN WE HAVE SUBMITTED AS OF MAY 20TH NEW ARCHITECTURAL PLANS THAT HAVE, UM, A FULL PORCH THAT IS, THAT IS CONTINUOUS, UM, FOR BOTH SIDES OF THE DUPLEX.
UM, WE WANNA ALSO EXTEND THE EXISTING ROOF LINE OF THE EXISTING HOME TO STAY CONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL HOME DESIGN AND TO RESPECT THE HISTORICAL DESIGNATION OF THE HOME AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AGAIN, WE WANNA HAVE THAT SHARED PORCH, UM, THAT IS, THAT YOU'LL SEE SIMILARLY THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE ABLE TO STAY WITHIN THAT SAME HISTORIC DESIGNATION.
UM, ONE OF OUR QUESTIONS IS DEFINITELY HOW YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE US TO DO THE SIDING WE'RE GONNA DO TO GO BACK TO FOUNDATION, WE'RE GONNA DO A APPEAR ON BEAM THROUGHOUT, BUT WITH THE SIDING WE WERE WANTING TO SEE IF WE COULD UTILIZE ONE 17 WOOD SIDING, UM, COMBINATION WITH A LARGER 12 INCH SHINGLE.
WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TO USE ONE 17 WOOD SIDING THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE REBUILD.
BUT WE DEFINITELY WANTED TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT.
ALSO WITH THE EXISTING SHED IN THE BACK, WE WERE PLANNING TO RE RE RENOVATE THAT TO MAKE IT A TWO CAR GARAGE FROM IT JUST BEING A SHED IN ORDER TO CREATE MORE PARKING.
WE DO HAVE TWO DEDICATED PARKING SPOTS THAT WILL BE IN THE FRONT OF THE HOME, BUT WE WANTED TO RENOVATE THE SHED INTO A GARAGE SO WE CAN MAKE IT A TOTAL OF FOUR PARKING SPOT, FOUR PARKING SPACES OPPOSED TO TWO ALSO, MA'AM, SORRY.
WERE YOU ABOUT DONE MA'AM? UM, THAT'S IT.
WE WERE JUST GONNA SAY WE HAVE, IT'LL BE A FOUR BEDROOM, UM, FOUR BATH ONCE WE'RE FINISHED AND WE'RE OPEN TO ANY COMMENTS.
UM, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
SO HANG ON 'CAUSE WE'LL HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
OKAY, COMMISSIONER, WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
THIS PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY, IF THIS WAS A NEW CONSTRUCTION, MY OPINION IS IT WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE TO THE DISTRICT.
THIS IS A DISTRICT MADE UP OF SMALL FOLK COTTAGES AND THIS IS NOT A SMALL FOLK COTTAGE.
WITH THAT SAID, WE'RE TAKING, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING STAFF.
THIS IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD AND ADDITIONS TO THE SIDE ARE NEVER ALLOWED IN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THEY'RE GENERALLY ADDITIONS ARE TO THE REAR KEEPING THE ORIGINAL FACADE IN PLACE.
SO WE ARE ACTUALLY CREATING A FALSE SENSE OF HISTORY IF SOMEBODY DRIVES BY THIS HOUSE ONCE IT'S COMPLETED, THEY'LL SAY, WOW, I DIDN'T KNOW THEY HAD LARGE HOUSES LIKE THIS IN THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IT'S CREATING A, A FALSE SENSE OF, OF HISTORY.
SO THIS ADDITION IN MY OPINION IS NOT APPROPRIATE AND IT SHOULD NOT BE BUILT, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS WAS A NEW CONSTRUCTION, IT STILL WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE TO THE DISTRICT.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO
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DO AN ADDITION TO THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE AND NOT ALTER THE FRONT F BESIDE AT ALL.UM, SO MA'AM, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR RESPONSE TO THE IDEA ADDING TO THE BACK THERE IS WE, WE DEFINITELY LOOKED AT DOING AN ADDITION IN THE REAR AS THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO, UM, UTILIZE HIS HOME AS HIS HOME, BUT ALSO AS A INCOME GENERATING PROPERTY AS WELL.
THERE IS SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO, UM, ADD AN ADDITION IN THE BACK, BUT THERE IS 40 FEET OF SPACE ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, UM, THAT HAS NOT HISTORICALLY BEEN UTILIZED.
THAT WOULD BE PLENTY OF ROOM FOR US TO, TO FOLLOW IN THE OWNER'S WISHES OF CREATING A PLEX.
UM, IT'S JUST SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH ROOM IN THE REAR.
BUT, UH, AS, AS THE COMMISSIONER JUST SAID IT, IT IS NOT, NOR IT'S HARD TO GET AN APPROVAL FOR A SIDE ADDITION.
SO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WE FURTHER DISCUSS IT.
LET'S SEE WHAT OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO SAY.
UH, SO I THINK THIS IS, THERE'S SOME CHALLENGES HERE WITH THIS LOT.
THIS IS A CORNER LOT, UM, AND THE REAR YARD, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF REAR YARD AS THE APPLICANT MENTIONED.
AND I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S A WAY TO MAYBE SET BACK THIS SIDE JUST 'CAUSE I DO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER ANDERSON THAT IT DOES COMPLETELY CHANGE THE, THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THIS HOUSE.
AND I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S A WAY TO MAYBE PUSH THIS ADDITION BACK SO IT'S NOT IN LINE WITH THE FRONT ELEVATION.
AND SO IT LOOKS MORE LIKE A SMALLER SIDE ADDITION THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED OVER TIME, UH, VERSUS IT ALL LOOKING AT ONE PLAIN, ONE PROFILE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A A WAY TO DO THAT ARCHITECTURALLY, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, MAYBE WE COULD EXPLORE THAT SOME MORE IF THERE'S A WAY TO REORIENT IT OR PUSH IT BACK SOME.
SO IT'S NOT QUITE AS, UM, PROMINENT, UH, IN RELATION TO THE, THE FRONT ELEVATION.
COMMISSIONER CUMMINS? UM, YES, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
UM, FULLY, UM, THE CHALLENGE THAT LIKE, UH, COMMISSIONER PRECIOSA SAID THIS IS VERY CHALLENGING.
NOT ONLY IS IT UH, CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, BUT IT'S, AS HE SAID, IT'S A SIDE, IT'S A, UH, CORNER LOT.
SO ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE DOING ON THE SIDE IS GOING TO AFFECT THE, THE FRONT OF THE, THE FRONT OF THE APPEARANCE, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, UH, ON BOTH SIDES, THE FRONT AS WELL AS THAT PROMINENT SIDE.
I, MY FIRST IMPRESSION IS THAT THAT SIDE YARD THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO BUILD AND IN ADDITION TO IS NOT JUST CHALLENGING BUT PROHIBITIVE DUE TO THIS AS A, A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
AND I DON'T SEE ANY DISCUSSIONS WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY MAKE ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE SUITABLE TO BUILD AN ADDITION ON THIS SIDE OF, OF WHERE, WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED PROPOSED BUILDING.
UM, YEAH, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S UH, IT'S A, IT'S A HURDLE THAT I DON'T THINK WE CAN CONQUER TODAY UNLESS SOMETHING ELSE IS BROUGHT TO US TO, TO DISCUSS.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN, WE CAN DESIGN ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE, UH, A LITTLE, A LITTLE SOFTER, A LITTLE BIT, UH, AND MORE LIKING.
UH, SO, UM, I'M IN FULL, I'M IN SUPPORT OF, OF NOT
I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THIS MEASURE AT ALL.
MR. PREZI, YOU HAD ANOTHER QUESTION? YEAH, THIS IS A QUESTION PROBABLY FOR THE APPLICANT AND THE STAFF POTENTIALLY.
UH, WAS THIS A, IS THIS A DOUBLE LOT? 'CAUSE IT'S MUCH WIDER THAN THE OTHER LOTS AND I'M WONDERING IF AT SOME POINT IT WAS COMBINED INTO ONE ONE LOT FROM TWO.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT DOES LOOK AS IF IT WAS TWO AT ONE TIME, I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO THE HISTORIC RESEARCH ON IT.
UM, FROM WHAT I SEE, UM, ON DCA AND WHAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE, IT'S BEEN PRESENTED AT AS ONE LOT, BUT IT COULD HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN TWO.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS AT HOME? I CAN'T SEE YOU JUST SAY SOMETHING.
ALRIGHT, SO, UM, IT APPEARS THAT WE CAN'T GO MUCH FURTHER WITH DEALING WITH SPECIFICS BECAUSE THE OVERALL FORM PRESENTED TO US IS, IS REALLY JUST NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TO GO INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
I, I KNOW THAT THE, THE WIDE PORCH WAS INTENDED TO BE VERY INVITING AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, PROMOTE COMMUNITY AND STUFF, BUT IT DOES STAND OUT SUCH A WIDE HOUSE WITH THIS BIG PORCH STANDS OUT IN THAT, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I, I THINK THAT THE, THE HINTS YOU'VE GOTTEN HERE TODAY ARE IF THE NEW ADDITION COULD AT LEAST MOVE BACK SO THAT IT DOESN'T FILL UP, REACH THE FRONT FACADE SOME
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AND LOOKS LIKE AN ADDITION, THEN THAT WOULD BE EASIER FOR US TO CONSIDER.SO THE BEST ADVICE IS JUST TO UM, COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS AND KEEP WORKING WITH STAFF.
YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK FOR ANOTHER COURTESY REVIEW AND ONCE YOU'VE GOT AN IDEA OF WHAT ELSE COULD BE DONE AND IF YOU'LL PLEASE JUST LET YOU KNOW THE OWNER KNOW THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO, BUT IN ITS CURRENT FORM IT JUST IS NOT READY TO, TO MEET OUR ORDINANCE.
I'LL CALL BACK TO THE ARCHITECT AND TRY TO WORK WITH TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN, UM, GET ENOUGH SPACE IN THE REAR.
WE HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT MR. ANDERSON.
YEAH, PART OF MY CONCERN WAS THAT TIN STREET IS MADE UP OF QUAINT FOLK COTTAGES AND MY CONCERN IS ADDING ONTO THIS STRUCTURE TO THE SIDE AT ALL WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE.
HOWEVER, IF IT COULD BE SHOWN THAT THIS WAS TWO LOTS, COULD IT BE REPLANTED AND PUT A SMALL HOUSE ON THE CORNER, THEN WE'D HAVE TWO SMALL HOUSES INSTEAD OF ONE BIG HOUSE.
IS THAT PLAUSIBLE AT ALL? UM, I'LL DE WE'LL DEFINITELY, UM, LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE UM, HOW THE OWNER FEELS ABOUT IT, UM, AND GET WITH THE ARCHITECT AND SEE IF THERE ARE SOME ALTERNATIVES WE CAN COME OUT, COME UP WITH TO SATISFY BOTH THE COMMISSION, THE TASK FORCE AS WELL AS THE OWNER.
THERE COULD ALSO BE A WAY TO ALMOST MAKE THE HOUSE U-SHAPED WHERE YOU HAVE UH, UH, A SPACE IN BETWEEN THE ADDITION AND THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, BUT IT'S CONNECTED WAY IN THE BACK BUT IT STILL LOOKS LIKE TWO SEPARATE HOUSES.
AND I'VE SEEN THAT IN 10TH STREET.
YEAH, THERE THERE'VE BEEN SOME ON THE CORNER AND IT'S A LITTLE HYPE IN BETWEEN THE TWO LITTLE HOUSES AND NOW IT'S ONE.
SO, AND IT'S KIND OF STILL LOOK LIKE TWO HOUSE, TWO SEPARATE HOUSES, BUT YET IT'S CONNECTED AND CAN STILL FLOW.
SO THAT, THAT IS YOUR GOAL MA'AM, TO TRY TO MAKE THEM LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE TWO HOUSES, WHETHER IT'S TWO HOUSES OR ONE HOUSE
AND WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU COME BACK WITH SOME NEW IDEAS AND WE CAN HELP WORK ON THOSE.
ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP WE HAVE NUMBER NINE, ANOTHER COURTESY REVIEW IN WHEATLEY PLACE.
AND I THINK I SAW THE APPLICANT ONLINE ON, YEAH.
THE FILE NUMBER IS 26 DASH 1 8 5 8 A.
RHONDA DUNN SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 34 0 6 JEFFREY STREET IN CONSUL DISTRICT SEVEN.
IT'S IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, THE COA OR CA NUMBER IS COA DASH 26 DASH 1 91.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT INTERIOR LOT STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION ES, SINCE IT'S A COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION IS REQUIRED THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT INTERIOR LOT BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FROM LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE OF FOLLOWING COMMENTS, ONE.
UPDATE CONTEXTUAL SITE PLAN TO SHOW CORRECT BLOCK FACE.
TWO, MAKE SURE DRAWINGS, PLANS AND MATERIAL SHEET MATCH.
THREE, MAKE EXTERIOR SIDING NOVELTY PATTERN 1 17 4.
MAKE SURE ORNAMENTAL DETAILS AND DRAWINGS ARE APPLIED, INSTALLED ON ACTUAL MAIN BUILDING.
FIVE CHANGE COLORS OF ROOF, PAINT AND PORCH COLUMNS TO DIFFER FROM PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLANS.
AND SIX, UPDATE SITE PLAN TO MATCH CURRENT LOT.
AND, UM, WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER FOR THIS AND THAT IS FRANCESCA JENNINGS.
AND HAS, UH, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR COME BACK SINCE HE'S DONE RECUSING HIMSELF? YES, I'M BACK.
OKAY, SO FRANCESCA JENNINGS, ARE YOU ONLINE? OH,
I, I WAS LOOKING HERE ON THE SCREEN FOR YOU
WELL IT'S EASIER ANYWAY THAT WAY.
SO, UH, JUST GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FIRST.
ALRIGHT MA'AM, GO AHEAD AND, AND, AND TELL US WHAT YOU WANT AND LET ME JUST LET THE COMMISSION KNOW.
I HAVE BEEN INFORMED BY OUR ATTORNEY THAT IF SOMEONE SEEMS TO NEED MORE TIME, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION AND A VOTE.
I COULD JUST SAY I, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THIS PERSON SOME MORE TIME UNLESS ANYONE OBJECTS AND THEN IF YOU DON'T OBJECT THEN I GUESS YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THIS PERSON AND I CAN'T.
MA'AM, YOU MAY NEED TO LEAN INTO THE MICROPHONE.
IS THIS A LITTLE BIT BETTER? IS IT ON ALSO,
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YOU MAY HAVE TO SPEAK UP TOO.OKAY, WELL THANK YOU ALL, UM, FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
UM, THANK YOU LANDMARK COMMISSION, UM, FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO PROTECTING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND DISTRICT AND SHARING IT SERVES THE COMMUNITY.
UH, WE HAVE FOLLOWED IN OUR DESIGN PROCESS, WE HAVE FOLLOWED THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, FOR, FOR THE 10TH STREET, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICT IN OUR DESIGN PROCESS.
UM, WITH THAT IN MIND, WE WANTED TO, UM, PRESENT THIS NEW CONSTRUCTION WHICH WAS INSPIRED BY, UH, THE SAME LAYOUT AS 3 6 1 5 MYERS, WHICH IS THE SAME EXACT LAYOUT AND SAME EXACT HOUSE, UM,
UM, AND WE WERE HOPING TO PROPOSE THIS AND PUT THIS ON JEFFERIES.
UM, YES, SO THAT IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING.
UH, OBVIOUSLY WE WILL HAVE DIFFERENT PAINT COLORS SO THAT WAY WE'RE NOT DUPLICATING THE SAME EXACT HOUSE.
UH, WE BELIEVE THIS APPROACH RESPECTS THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHILE PROVIDING A THOUGHTFULLY DESIGNED NEW HOME THAT CONTRIBUTES POSITIVELY TO THE 10TH STREET DISTRICT.
AND UM, UH, LIKE AS WITH THE PREVIOUS ONE, WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TO TALK BACK AND FORTH AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN SUGGEST THAT MAKES IT MORE APPROVABLE TO, TO MOVE ON TO THE CONSTRUCTION STATE.
SO COMMISSIONERS COMMISSIONER ANDERSON IS HARDY BOARD FIBER CEMENT SIGNING ALLOWED IN THE DISTRICT ONLY FOR SKIRTING.
SO I NOTED THAT THERE IS HARDY BOARD NOTED ON THE PLAN.
SO THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN OF COURSE STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND IN THIS CASE, SINCE THE PREVIOUS HOME WAS 1 0 5, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND 1 1 7.
OKAY, SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE 1 1 7 PATTERN WOOD SIDING, RIGHT? ALL WOOD SIDING AND THAT'S, THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE.
THE HARDY HAS MANY BENEFITS, BUT HISTORIC PRESERVATION ISN'T ONE THAT WE DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT.
UH, WE HAVE NOT DECIDED ALL WINDOWS, BUT I'M OPEN TO YOU GUYS RECOMMENDATIONS FOR WINDOWS.
LET ME ASK STAFF IN THAT DISTRICT WHAT WINDOWS ARE APPROPRIATE OR ALLOWED.
WE HAVE BEEN ALLOWING EITHER ALL ALUMINUM OR ALL WOOD.
ANY OTHER CONCERNS? COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS? GO AHEAD.
I HAVE CONCERN, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO GET MY HAND OR HANDS AROUND IT A LITTLE BIT.
THE, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW, WHAT MY LEVEL OF CONCERN IS YET, BUT I'M CONCERNED WITH THE MASS OF THE ROOF.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THAT BACK GABLE, THE TALLER GABLE, THE ONE THAT'S IN THE, THE CENTER APEX.
UM, AND THAT'S CREATING SUCH A HEIGHT FROM THERE DOWN TO THE RAKE TO THE, THE, THE EAVES OF THE SIDE.
UM, THAT, THAT MASS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SEEING ON THIS BOTTOM LEFT ELEVATION, THE MASS OF THAT ROOF AS IT'S GOING, UH, AS IT RESOLVES INTO THIS HIP.
THAT SPACE IS JUST, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S, IT, IT, MAYBE IT'S THE DRAWING ITSELF.
UM, I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO GET MY HANDS AROUND THAT, THAT MASS.
MARCUS, YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANNA JUMP IN ON? I, THAT WAS BOTHERING ME TOO AND I, AND I, UNFORTUNATELY I'VE BEEN ON VACATION SO I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT YET.
UH, IT SEEMS, IT SEEMS CUT OFF LIKE RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.
THAT, THAT LITTLE BUMP, THAT NOTCH THAT IT KIND OF MAKES AFTER ABOUT FIVE FEET OF THE FRONT.
IT'S KIND OF LOOKING LIKE THAT NEEDS TO BE THAT THAT TOP GABLE NEEDS TO BE PUSHED TO THE FRONT, IT SEEMS. RIGHT.
AND THEN THAT THEN, THEN YOU'D AT LEAST HAVE THAT OVERALL MASS OF, FROM THE OVERALL FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING AND NOT JUST THIS HUNCH THAT JUST JUMPS OUT ABOUT FIVE OR SIX FEET AWAY FROM THE, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE FRONT.
SO MAYBE THAT WOULD, MAYBE THAT'S WHAT'S MAKING MY EYES JUST JUMP OR, OR INTO SAYING SOMETHING SEEMS BIZARRE AND IT'S, AND MAYBE HAVING MORE OF IT WOULD ACTUALLY REDUCE THAT MASS IN A, IN A ODD WAY.
YOU SEE WHAT WE'RE KIND OF SAYING? I DO, YES.
WE WE WILL TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND YEAH.
WHAT HAPPENS TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS.
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SET BACK LIKE THAT IS AN ODDITY.SO, AND THERE'S PLENTY OF EXAMPLES TO TAKE A LOOK AT TO TRY TO CORRECT THAT IN, IN, IN YOUR WAY.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT JUMPED AT ME SO FAR.
SO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IS THE GATE, THE SECONDARY GABLE SHOULD BE AT THE FRONT FACADE? YES.
IT IS ODD TO HAVE IT BACK IS, AND THAT WOULD ACTUALLY GIVE YOU, BECAUSE THE PORCH IS ALREADY, UH, FRONT, IT SHOULD BE IN LINE WITH THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND THAT WAY.
SO IT SHOULD BE IN LINE WITH THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND IT'S NOT GONNA CONFLICT WITH THE, THE WAY YOU WANT THAT DOUBLE GABLE WITH THE PORCH.
'CAUSE THE PORCH IS ALREADY POSITIONED FRONT.
THAT WOULD ALSO GIVE YOU A MORE ATTIC SPACE UPSTAIRS IF YOU WANTED TO CONVERT THAT TO A LIVING SPACE OR A PLAYROOM OR SOMETHING.
DON'T BRING MORE TROLL THAN WE ALREADY
AND YOU DROP THAT ROOF PITCH SUM, IT'LL HELP WITH A MASS OF ALL THOSE SHINGLES.
IS THAT ALL RIGHT? YOU HEARD WHAT COMMISSIONER SAID? YES.
UH, WANTING US TO DROP DROP THE GA DOWN.
YEAH, THE PITCH IS PRETTY HIGH.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S CREATING THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE OVERALL, UH, HOUSE AND GETTING A PROPER ROOF PITCH WOULD HELP LOWER THAT AND THEN REDUCE THAT.
THAT 'CAUSE IT'S KIND OF TOP HEAVY IF YOU KINDA LOOK AT IT AND SEE HOW MUCH ROOF THERE IS IN RELATION TO HOW MUCH HOUSE IS BELOW.
AND THIS KIND OF STYLE TENDED TO BE MODEST OF ROOF IS TRYING TO BELOW TO THE GROUND LIKE IT'S NATURAL.
SO YOU GUYS JUST WANT US TO STAY CONSISTENT WITH THE, WITH THE ROOF PITCH? YEAH.
SO JUST, JUST, YOU KNOW, LESS THIS, MORE
LOOK INTO WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
HE, HE WAS SAYING IT'S AN EIGHT 12, LOOK AT A POSSIBLE 6 12 6 12 ROOF PITCH.
ANYTHING ABOUT THE PORCH DESIGN OR, SHE ALREADY SAID THAT SHE WOULD CHOOSE ALUMINUM FROM THE TWO THAT ARE ALLOWED IN IN THE DISTRICT.
SHE COULD BE HAVE WATER ALUMINUM.
DOES THAT LOOK APPROPRIATE? AND THE COLUMN FORMS, A LOT OF TIMES ON STYLES LIKE THIS, THE, THE TOP RAIL OF YOUR RAILING IS, IS NOT VERY TALL, BUT DOES HAVE TO MEET CODE OBVIOUSLY.
BUT FOR STYLE PURPOSES, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CODE ISSUE, IF IT'S KIND OF THE SAME HEIGHT AS BOTTOM CELL OF THE WINDOW, THAT'S THE WAY THEY USED TO DO IT.
AND YOUR COLUMNS ARE SUITABLY HEFTY.
WE DON'T HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE GIVE US THESE LITTLE SKINNY ONES.
NO ONE KNOWS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS, COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS, YOUR MICROPHONE IS NOT ON AS YOU ASKED ABOUT A FREEZE BOARD.
I CAN'T SEE THE ELEVATIONS VERY WELL AND I, I I DON'T HAVE IT CALLED UP UNTIL I CAN ZOOM IN.
IS THERE THERE A BOARD THAT'S RUNNING ALONG THE TOP OF THE WINDOWS UNDERNEATH THE ROOF? UH, OR IS IT JUST THE, UM, THE FIELD OF THE, UM, OF THE SIDING THAT GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE IT'S JUST SIDING.
WOULD YOU PREFER A BOARD? BUT IT'D BE, IT'D BE MORE IN KEEPING TO HAVE A, UH, BASICALLY THAT RUNNING FREE, UH, FACIAL BOARD GOING ACROSS, UH, GOING ACROSS.
YOU COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AS WELL AND SEE.
WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE, THE, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO GET YOUR ROOF, TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, THAT DETAIL.
ARE THERE CORNER BOARDS SHOWN ON THIS? I DON'T THINK THERE'S A, I I DON'T SEE ANY CORNER BOARDS.
DO YOU SEE ONE? I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS ONE OR GUTTER OR SOMETHING ON THE SIDE.
FOR SOME OF US, THE DRAWINGS SHOW MUCH BETTER ON OUR PERSONAL COMPUTER THAN THEY DO ON RUNNING THROUGH.
NO, I WAS TRYING TO CALL IT THE CITY.
THE LINE WEIGHT IS MORE LEGIBLE SO THAT WE CAN SEE.
AND DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THE SIZE OF THE VENTS IN THE GABLES? ARE THEY APPROPRIATE SIZE AND SHAPE TOO SMALL HEIGHT-WISE OR WIDTH-WISE? UH, I DON'T KNOW.
IT COULD BE A LITTLE SMALL ON BOTH.
UH, BUT IT'S NOT TOO OUTTA WHACK, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S LITTLE SMALL.
WHAT'S THE WIDTH OF YOUR WINDOWS GOING BACK TO YOUR WINDOWS? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE SCREEN THAT'S ELONGATING IT THIS WAY OR NOT.
OH, THAT, YEAH, NEVER LOOK ON THE MONITOR.
YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THE SAME HOUSE
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YES, MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONER REEVES.I THINK THAT THE, THE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'LL BE DIFFICULT TO ADDRESS IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CHANGE OF THE PITCH OF THE ROOF.
WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT? OH, THE, THE SIZE OF THE VENT.
WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL SEE A DIFFERENT WAY TO CHANGE THE PITCH.
AND DO, DO WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE SIZE OF THE WINDOWS OR, AND ALSO WE USUALLY REQUEST THAT IF WHEN YOU HAVE TWO WINDOWS PAIRED, LIKE YOU HAVE ACROSS THE FRONT THERE, THAT WHAT'S IN BETWEEN THEM ISN'T SIDING, IT'S A TRIM BOARD.
IT LOOKS LIKE A TRIM BOARD ON THIS DRAWING.
SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING WITH? YES.
THEN YOU ALREADY GOT THAT RIGHT.
YOU DIDN'T NEED ANYTHING ON THAT ALSO.
ANYTHING ELSE? I THINK THE MAIN HURDLE IS THE FORM ON THAT ROOM.
SO I DON'T YOU CHANGE THE ROOF.
SEE, SEE HOW IT LOOKS AND LET STAFF HELP YOU EVALUATE WHETHER IT'S, THAT WILL MAKE IT MEET MORE WITH THE, THE OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THANK YOU FOR COMING TODAY FOR A COURTESY REVIEW.
OUR NEXT CASE IS CASE NUMBER 14, WHICH IS 6,006 SWISS AVENUE.
CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
UM, ITEM NUMBER 14, 6,006 SWISS AVENUE, COA 26 0 0 0 2 0 5, REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO DEMOLISH AN EXISTING ACCESSORY BUILDING STANDARD USED, NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE BECAUSE IT IS NEWER THAN THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE, EXCUSE ME, STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST TO DEMOLISH AN EXISTING ACCESSORY BUILDING WITH STANDARD DOCK CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE BECAUSE NEWER THAN THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE BE APPROVED, THE PROPOSED WORK MEETS THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51, A DASH 4.501 H TWO F, AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTINGS, NEIGHBORHOOD AND DISTRICT, EXCUSE ME, TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING ACCESSORY BUILDING STANDARD NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE BECAUSE NEWER AND PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE BE A BURDEN.
AND ALSO COULD I ALSO JUST, UH, MENTION THAT THE SANDBORN MAP IN THE DOCKET IS FOR 1950.
SANDBORN, I HAVE PULLED UP THE 1920S.
IT'S NOT ON THERE AT ALL THE, EVEN THE MAIN HOUSE IS NOT THERE.
SO IF YOU WANNA SEE THAT, WE CAN SEE IT.
BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT HOUSE, THE, THE ACCESSORY BUILDING THAT YOU SEE THERE IS NOT FROM THE TWENTIES.
EVEN THE MAIN STRUCTURE IS NOT ON SANBORN OR 1920S.
SO, UH, JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE.
SO BETWEEN, THERE'S NOTHING BETWEEN THE TWO? NO, IT'S EITHER 26 WHATEVER AND 50.
1922 OR THE 1950S, WHICH IS, SO IT'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THERE I 22 AND 1951 I THINK IT IS.
AND, AND UPPER WEST AVENUE WAS BUILT IN THE LATE TWENTIES AND EARLY THIRTIES.
SO WHAT'S IN YOUR DOCKET IS THE ONLY SANBORN MAP THOSE TWO STRUCTURES ARE ON.
AND ACTUALLY IT'S JUST ONE OF 'EM.
UM, I DO HAVE, IF YOU JUST WANT TO SEE THE BLANK SWISS
THEY, THEY COULD HAVE BEEN BUILT IN THE 20, WELL, NOT 22.
SO WE HAVE, UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, ONLINE.
MR. CARTON, WE NEED TO HAVE YOUR VIDEO ON I, MR. CARTON, ARE YOU THERE? YES.
BY THE WAY, EARLIER MR. CARIN, I TOLD EVERYBODY THAT I WISH EVERYBODY MAKING A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO THEIR HISTORICAL HOME WOULD HIRE YOU BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS DO A GOOD JOB AT SHOWING US WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING AND LISTENING TO OUR FEEDBACK.
SO, CAN YOU HEAR US OKAY? YOU NEED TO UNMUTE WHAT? OKAY, THERE WE GO.
AND ELAINE SAYS, YOU'RE ALWAYS GREAT ABOUT REGISTERING TO SPEAK INSTEAD OF JUST ASKING HER AT THE LAST SECOND.
YOU HAVE TO BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
HELLO, I'M THE APPLICANT AND ARCHITECT AARON KARTEN, 7 2 1 RIDGEWAY STREET.
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AND I, UH, AGREED TO TELL THE TRUTH.UM, THIS APPLICATION IS FOR THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
SO AS CHRISTINA JUST MENTIONED, UNFORTUNATELY IT DOESN'T SHOW UP.
UM, FORTUNATELY OR UNFORTUNATELY, IT DOESN'T SHOW UP IN THE 1920 SANBORN.
UM, AND IT DOES SHOW UP IN THE 1950S REVISED SANBORN AS I'D EXPECT, BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, THIS IS A POST WORLD WAR II STRUCTURE THAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY.
ALTHOUGH IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IT WAS BUILT AT THE SAME LOCATION AS A EARLIER GARAGE.
SO OF COURSE WE DON'T TAKE DEMOLITION OF ANY STRUCTURE LIGHTLY.
UH, BUT I'D LIKE TO PRESENT THE SAME IMAGES AND SLOTS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO THE TASK FORCE, UM, WHICH LED TO THEIR OVERWHELMINGLY UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.
AND IT REALLY, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SHOW YOU IS THAT THE BASIC ELEMENTS SUCH AS THE CONSTRUCTION, THE MATERIALS, INDICATE THAT THE STRUCTURE WAS BUILT AT A LATER TIME PERIOD.
SO LEMME FIGURE OUT HOW TO, UM, SHARE AND, ALRIGHT.
SO HERE, HERE'S THE STRUCTURE.
UM, WANTED TO SHOW YOU, FIRST OFF THE, THE MATERIALS.
SO WHEN, FOR EXAMPLE, WE, WE LOOK AT THE BRICK VENEER, UM, THIS IS MOST DEFINITELY A MANUFACTURED BRICK, WHICH WOULD'VE, YOU KNOW, BECOME PREVALENT AT A LATER TIME PERIOD.
ALL OF IT'S THE SAME, YOU KNOW, SIZE AND, AND, UH, WHATNOT AS, AS OPPOSED TO HANDMADE LIKE WE SEE ON THE HOUSE.
WE DON'T SEE THE TR, YOU KNOW, THE TRIAL MARKS, THE SCRATCH, UH, TEXTURE TO IT LIKE WE WOULD SEE FROM A 1920S, UH, STRUCTURE SUCH AS THE HOUSE.
UM, AND THEN AS WE GO TO MO, MOST OF IT IS BRICK.
AS WE GO TO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE RIGHT SIDE, THERE'S SOME SIDING, WHICH IS THIS, UH, CHANNEL SIDING THAT AGAIN, IS SOMETHING THAT WE SEE POST WORLD WAR II.
UM, MOST OF THE STRUCTURES, AS, AS EVERYONE CAN ATTEST THAT WE SEE FROM, YOU KNOW, THE 1920S, WHICH IS WHEN THE, THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IS THE 1 1 7 PATTERN, FOR EXAMPLE.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, ALUMINUM WINDOWS, WHICH, UM, OF COURSE BECAME PREVALENT, UM, POST WORLD WAR II.
OF COURSE, ANY OF THESE ASPECTS COULD HAVE THEORETICALLY BEEN REPLACED, BUT INTO WERE, WE'RE SEEING ALL THESE INDICATIONS OF A LATER BUILD DATE.
UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT EVEN THE CONCRETE SLAB, IT IS IN PRISTINE, UH, CONDITION, UH, CONSIDERING IF IT HAD BEEN BUILT, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE 1920S OR THIRTIES, WE DON'T SEE ANY INDICATION THAT IT WAS CUT OUT AND REPLACED.
UM, SO THOSE ARE THE MATERIALS.
WHEN WE LOOK AT, UH, THE ARCHITECTURE OF IT, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT STANDS OUT TO ME IS THE, EVEN THE OPENINGS FOR THE GARAGE DOORS THAT ARE COINCIDENTALLY MODERN STANDARD SIZES.
A LOT OF THESE OLDER, EXCUSE ME, SIR, THAT IS YOUR TIME.
I DIDN'T HAVE MY MICROPHONE OFF.
WE DECIDED TO GIVE YOU TWO MORE MINUTES.
THE, THE WALL OPENINGS THAT WE SEE, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE GARAGE DOORS ARE SEVEN FOOT TALL.
UM, A LOT OF THE OLDER STRUCTURES THAT I'VE SEEN, UM, IN THE AREA FROM THE TWENTIES, FOR EXAMPLE, DIDN'T HAVE SUCH GENEROUS HEAD HEIGHTS.
YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT'VE SEEN CLOSER TO SIX FOOT, THEY DIDN'T PARK MODERN VEHICLES IN 'EM.
SO ALL THESE, ALL THESE INDICATIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, AT, AT A LATER BUILD DATE, WE SEE THE, THE ROOF ITSELF.
I MEAN, WE HAVE SOME RAPTOR TAILS, BUT THEY'RE SUCH SIMPLIFIED VERSIONS OF RAPTOR TAILS, UM, THAT I'VE, I'VE SEEN ON STRUCTURES THROUGHOUT THE FIFTIES.
NOTHING LIKE WHAT WE SEE ON THE HOUSE.
I MEAN, THE OVERHANG IS, IS VERY MINIMAL.
UH, THE ROOF OVERHANG, WE HAVE THIS CLIPPED GABLE, UM, WHICH IS, WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM THE HOUSE.
THE, THE AWNING THAT WE SEE HERE, BOTH THE GARAGE DRAWERS IS SOMETHING THAT JUST DOESN'T HAVE THE ARTICULATION THAT WE EXPECT.
SO THERE'S NO STRUCTURAL EXPRESSION TO IT.
IT'S JUST A SOFF AWNING WITH SOME INCREDIBLY SIMPLE BRACKETS ON EACH SIDE.
UM, JUST NOT WHAT WE, WHAT WE SEE FROM THAT TIME PERIOD, EVEN FOR A HUMBLE STRUCTURE.
UM, AND SO I, AND THEN I THINK LASTLY, YOU KNOW, EVEN THE INTERIOR LAYOUT, AGAIN, ALL THIS, ALL THESE THINGS COULD HAVE THEORETICALLY BEEN, UM, MODIFIED OVER THE YEARS, BUT
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JUST IN TOTALITY, IT JUST, UM, SPEAKS TO WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY A LATER BUILD DATE.SO THE INTERIOR FINISH OUT, THE INTERIOR LAYOUT IS SOMETHING, UH, SCREAMS, UM, YOU KNOW, POST WAR TWO, EVEN THE ENTRANCE TO IT, I CAN NOT MAKE YOU TOO DIZZY HERE, UM, HAS WHAT WAS PROBABLY THE, THE ORIGINAL METAL AWNING ON IT.
UM, WHICH AGAIN IS, IS SOMETHING WE WOULD'VE SEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, 1950S AND AND SO ON.
UH, NOW COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR OUR, UM, APPLICANT REGARDING WHETHER OR NOT YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE OF WHETHER OR NOT WE WERE GONNA AUTHORIZE THE DEMOLITION OF THIS FUND? I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE APPLICANT.
UM, IN THE PHOTOGRAPH THAT WE HAD, WHICH IS RELATIVELY SMALL, IT APPEARED TO BE A 1920S BUILDING.
BUT I'M CONVINCED FROM YOUR TESTIMONY THAT WE DID NOT HAVE EARLIER THAT THERE'S LOTS OF REASONS THAT IT APPEARS TO BE A LATER, MAYBE 1940S OR FIFTIES BELIEVE THAT WAS MADE TO KIND OF LOOK LIKE IT BELONGED IN THE DISTRICT.
AND I DON'T THINK IT HAS ANY MERIT MYSELF.
NO, I'M NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, ACTUALLY, BUT OKAY.
YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
ALRIGHT, IF NO ONE HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, WE ARE READY FOR A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION IN THE CASE OF 6,006 WEST AVENUE CASE 26 DASH 1879 A.
I, UM, WILL MOVE TO FOLLOW THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, PRE FOR THE SECOND.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? UH, THAT CASE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
IT'S UNANIMOUS THAT WE HAVE AGREED TO ALLOW FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THIS EXISTING OUT BUILDING, AND NOW WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CASE.
JUST HANG ON A MINUTE, MR. KARTEN, WHILE THE STAFF READS IT, WHICH I KEEP FORGETTING TO LET THEM DO, UH, THEY WILL READ INTO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, WHICH IS BUILD THE REPLACEMENT CLICKS.
ALL RIGHT, CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF, UM, ITEM NUMBER 15 6,006 SWISS AVENUE COA 26 0 0 0 2 0 6.
REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ACCESSORY BUILDING IN REAR YARD.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ACCESSORY BUILDING AND REAR YARD BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 6 1 20 26.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 63 1 16 1 A MEETS THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ACCESSORY BUILDING IN THE REAR YARD BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE BRICK FACADE MATERIAL BE TYPICAL OF THE STYLE AND PERIOD OF THE MAIN, OUR MAIN TRUCTURE.
ALRIGHT, UH, MR. CARTON, SO YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THE WHOLE INTRO STUFF ANYMORE.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ABOUT THIS PROPOSED DESIGN? YES, THANK YOU.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE PREVIOUS REVIEW.
UM, WE ARE, WE ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED, UM, UNDER THE, THE STANDARD TO REPLACE WITH THE MORE COMPATIBLE APPROPRIATE STRUCTURE.
AND SO THAT'S REALLY KIND OF THE SPIRIT OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE.
UH, REALLY TRYING TO, UH, CREATE SOMETHING THAT SPEAKS MORE TO THE MAIN HOUSE AND OF THE DISTRICT, UH, IN, IN CONFORMS. AND SO, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S SETTING BACK THE 10 FEET SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY, LIKE THE, THE CURRENT ONE DIDN'T, UM, WHETHER IT'S THE, THE, UH, RAPTOR TAILS, THE, THE ARTICULATION OF THE BRICK AND EVEN MATCHING THE BRICK, UH, TO THE MAIN HOUSE.
UM, SAME THING WITH THE WINDOW DESIGN.
REALLY TRYING TO REPEAT MUCH OF WHAT WE SEE AT THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
UM, AND SO, UM, LET'S SEE, I'LL, I'LL MENTION THERE WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT THIS, UH, THIRD CAR PARKING AREA, UM, AT THE SIDE.
UM, SO WE REALLY, THE, WE REALLY KIND OF MAKE LIGHT OF THAT.
UH, I LIKE THAT THERE IS SOME, UH, PERHAPS INDICATION THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION,
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THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MAYBE HAS ITS OWN HISTORY TO IT.MAYBE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEEN ADDED ON, UH, ITSELF, WHICH I THINK, UH, MAKES IT MORE COMPATIBLE IN THAT SENSE WITH, UM, WITH THE, THE PROPERTY IN THE DISTRICT.
AND SO WE HAVE THIS, THIS SECONDARY ROOF, UH, TO THE LEFT AND IT'S GONNA BE USED AS A CAR PARKING AREA, BUT REALLY DOES A NUMBER OF THINGS, UH, CREATES THIS, UM, THIS INTEREST, PERHAPS THIS IDEA THAT THERE'S THIS HISTORY TO IT, BUT IT ALSO CREATES A DIFFERENT SCALE FOR THE BUILDING.
SO WHAT IS OTHERWISE A A, A STARK TWO STORY STRUCTURE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY WHAT WE SEE ON THE BACK OF THE MAIN HOUSE.
VERY SIMPLE BUILDING FORM TWO STORY, QUITE OVERWHELMING FRANKLY.
AND SO, UM, REALLY TRYING TO BRING THE SCALE DOWN OF THE BACK HOUSE, UH, BACK DOWN TO THE, TO JUST A SINGLE STORY, UM, AND MAKE IT A BIT MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, A TWO STORY BOX.
AND SO, SO I THINK THERE WAS, THERE WAS ALSO SOME TALK ABOUT, UM, DIFFERENT WAYS TO APPROACH THAT.
AND I'LL, I'LL BE HAPPY TO SPEAK TO THOSE.
OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAD LOTS OF DISCUSSION EARLIER.
ARE THE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT? ARE THOSE MULTIPLE, UH, ARE THOSE MULTIPLE LIGHTS EXPRESSED ON THE OUTSIDE OR BETWEEN THE GLASS? ARE THEY TRUE DIVIDED LIGHT? YES.
SO THEY ARE EXPRESSED ON THE OUTSIDE? YES SIR.
I STILL PREFER THE ADDITION TO THE STRAIGHT ACROSS FROM THE SIDE TO SIDE AND THEN A, MAYBE A SHED ROOF COMING FORWARD.
UH, TO ME IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE A 1950S ADDITION TO AN OLD STRUCTURE, WHICH THIS BOTHERS ME.
I KNOW IT'S NOT GONNA BE SEEN FROM THE STREET, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE PLEASING THAT IT LOOKED LIKE IT BELONGS TO THE STRUCTURE AND NOT A AFTERTHOUGHT.
I HAVE A, IF IT'S APPROPRIATE TO SHOW I HAVE A LITTLE REDESIGN THAT I DID, UH, SUBSEQUENT TO THE, TO THE MORNING MEETING.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WITH A HIP ROOF AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S QUITE INTERESTING.
I THINK IT, IT COULD BE A NICE, UM, YOU KNOW, REVISION TO THE DESIGN IF THAT'S HELPFUL.
IN FACT, I LOOK AT THAT NOW AS A LITTLE PARTY PAVILION.
BUT IF YOU DID PUT CARS IN THERE AND YOU HAD A BARBECUE, YOU COULD SIT BACK THERE AND MAKE IT INTO A LITTLE OUTBUILDING.
I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE A, A APPROPRIATE ADDITION TO THE BUILDING AND COULD BE REUSED FOR OUTDOOR EVENTS IF YOU WANTED TO.
ALRIGHT, SO IF, IF WE WERE TO HAVE A MOTION OF APPROVAL, IT WOULD INCLUDE THE HIP ROOF THAT HAS BEEN BEING SHOWN IN THIS IS WHAT WE'RE STARTING WITH IT NOW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THE DESIGN? AND IF IT IS OTHERWISE PERFECT OR NOT, THEN IT'S PROBABLY TIME PROMOTION.
I JUST WANT TO SAY I WAS, I'M INCLINED TO LIKE THIS, THIS DESIGN BETTER AS WELL.
AND I'M IN THE AGREEMENT WITH COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
I, WHEN SEEING THIS ONE, THIS, THIS, THIS DOES BRING INTO, UM, THE RIGHT CHARACTERISTIC I BELIEVE MR. HARPER.
THIS A QUESTION FOR MY COLLEAGUE ARCHITECTS HERE, UM, IN THE GROUP.
I, I AGREE THAT THE HIP ROOF IS, IS PREFERABLE TO ME, BUT I'M CURIOUS IF THE, UH, EXPOSED RAPTURE TAIL DETAIL WOULD WANT TO CONTINUE ONTO THAT PART OF THE STRUCTURE ALSO? OH YES.
THE OVERHANG IS SHOWN AS BEING BOXED AND YEAH.
WHAT DOES OUR APPLICANT SAY ABOUT THAT? THAT CHAIR COMMISSIONER REEVES? I THINK THAT SINCE IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE AN ADDITION THAT I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD HAVE THE RAFTER TAILS.
ANYONE ELSE? AND, AND THAT THAT WAS THE THINKING EXACTLY IS THAT, UM, IT'S, IT'S MEANT TO LOOK LIKE SOMETHING THAT MAYBE HAD A STORY TO IT THAT WAS ADDED LATER.
UM, AND, AND BY DOING SO, IT, IT KIND OF CELEBRATES THE, THE REST OF THE STRUCTURE THAT DOES HAVE THE RECTOR TAILS.
SO THERE'S SOME DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS.
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ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS THEN? DOES SOMEONE HAVE A MOTION NOT STARING AT THE GUYS ON THE RIGHT HERE AT YOU GUYS? YOU NEED TO TURN YOUR PHONE ON.COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE, UM, YEAH, CA ON CASE NUMBER 26 18 79 A.
26 DASH 1 8 8 0 A 6 0 6 0 0 6 SWISS AVENUE.
I WOULD LIKE TO, WITH THE, I WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITION OF THIS DRAWING THAT'S SET IN FRONT OF US OF PROVIDING THE HIP ROOF ON THE LOWER, UM, ON THE LOWER ACCESSORY BUILDING AND, UM, YEAH.
AND APPROVE, UH, TO CONSTRUCT THIS NEW ACCESSORY BUILDING AS PROPOSED.
SECOND, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER, POSI ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.
ALL THOSE, I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, IT'S DEFINITIVE THAT WE'RE APPROVING THE, THE HIP ROOF.
UH, YEAH, THAT THE DESIGN THAT WAS PROPOSED TO US.
I, I, I SAID THE ONE THAT WAS JUST SET IN FRONT OF US PROPOSED THE ONE BEING WITH THE HIP.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, MR. CARTON, YOU HAVE YOUR APPROVAL AND STAFF WILL GET YOU YOUR CA AND THEN YOU CAN MOVE ON THE PROCESS OF BUILDING THIS AFTER YOU LIKE THE OTHER ONE DOWN.
MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION.
IS THERE ANY, EVERY TIME I GO TO THE BLUE STUFF IN ORDER TO GET BACK TO THE REGULAR AGENDA, I HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE EMAIL.
IS THERE A BETTER WAY? UH, I WAS USING THE BACK ARROW AND IT WENT TO IT.
NO, I TAKES ME BACK TO THE EMAIL.
WELL, THAT USED UP ALL MY IDEAS THEN.
UM, 'CAUSE IT, THE EMAIL OPENED A NEW WINDOW FOR ME AND UP AS LONG I STAYED WITHIN THERE.
BE SURE AND CLICK ON THE AREA AT THE BOTTOM THAT SAYS ATTACHMENTS INSTEAD OF THE ITEM NUMBER.
AND THEN YOU, IT WILL, IT WILL POP UP.
YOU, IT'LL BE, IT'LL JUST, YOU CAN NAVIGATE LIKE YOU WOULD IN ANY INTERNET WINDOW.
YOU CAN THEN GO BACK TO THE AGENDA FROM THERE.
WELL, WHEN I HIT ATTACHMENTS, IT IS NOT LETTING ME GO BACK TO THE INTER THE, THE, THE, THE, THE THING WITH THE BLUE, BIG BLUE CIRCLE ON THE FRONT.
I HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE EMAIL AND THEN I GET THE BIG BLUE CIRCLE.
I'M, I'M, I'M NOT THERE TO COMPLAIN, BUT I CAN COMPLAIN FROM HERE.
I THINK THAT MAY BE ALL OF OUR IDEAS ARE HOW TO SOLVE THAT.
THERE'S A LOT OF GLITCHES AND IT'S NOT THE FAULT OF BEING ON A MAC.
IT'S JUST, IT'S A GLITCHY THING AND WE'RE ALL GONNA GET USED TO IT EVENTUALLY.
IS THERE A WAY THE STAFF COULD MAKE THIS WORK EASIER FOR US? I KNOW WE'RE GETTING THE CITY COUNCIL FORMAT AND THAT'S WONDERFUL FOR THEM.
YEAH, IT'S, IT, IT, IT'S PRESCRIBED BY THE CITY SECRETARY NOW WE HAVE TO DO IT THIS WAY.
I DON'T THINK STAFF CAN DO ANYTHING.
NO, WE DID RECOMMEND YOU COULD GO AHEAD EACH TIME YOU GO TO THOSE ATTACHMENTS AND THEN DOWNLOAD THEM AND THEN YOU CAN GO BACK TO THEM ON YOUR COMPUTER INSTEAD OF RELYING ON THE INTERNET.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO IS DOWNLOAD.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH.
IT'S A LITTLE MORE PREP TIME TO BE LESS ANNOYED NOW.
WE WERE GOING TO HEAR 18, WHICH IS IN WARREN AVENUE.
STEPH DOES HAVE A QUESTION RIGHT QUICK.
WHERE DID WE SAY ITEM 16 AND 17 WOULD BE? 16 IS NOW GONNA BE AFTER 18 AND AND THEN 17 WILL BE AT THE END.
WE'LL REARRANGE THE AGENDA AFTER THIS
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM 18, FILE NUMBER 26 DASH 180 8 3 A.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 29 37 WARREN AVENUE IN COUNCIL DISTRICT SEVEN.
IT'S IN THE WHEAT PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT COA NUMBER DASH WELL COA DASH 26 DASH TWO 19.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
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TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT CORNER.LOT A DUPLEX WITH THE REAR DETACHED TWO CAR GARAGE.
RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT CORNER LOT, A DUPLEX WITH A REAR DETACHED TWO CAR GARAGE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 5 19 20 26 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT FOUNDATION B PEER AND BEAM ARE CRAWL SPACE WITH A MINIMUM HEIGHT OF 18 INCHES THAT WINDOWS BE ALL ALUMINUM, NO CLADDING WITH LIGHT CONFIGURATION ONE OVER ONE.
THAT FRONT DOORS BE CROSSMAN STYLE WITH A MINIMUM OF THREE TOP LIGHTS THAT BRACKETS BE ADDED TO THE FRONT GABLES, A MINIMUM OF THREE EACH.
THAT PORCH COLUMNS BE TWO PART WITH BRICK BASIS RESTING ON GRADE A MINIMUM OF 16 INCHES ACROSS THAT A FREEZE A FACIA BOARD BE ADDED TO ALL ELEVATIONS INCLUDING ABOVE THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS.
MINIMUM HEIGHT EIGHT INCHES, PREFERABLY CEDAR THAT PAIRED WINDOWS BE ADDED TO THE LEFT AND RIGHT SIDE ELEVATIONS FRONT 50% THAT ROOF EAVES TO BE EXTENDED TO A MINIMUM OF 18 INCHES THAT MUL.
IN OTHER WORDS, TRIM PIECES OF FOUR TO SIX INCHES IN WIDTH BE ADDED BETWEEN PAIRED WINDOWS THAT PAINT COLORS FOR THE BODY AND TRIM BE SELECTED FROM A HISTORIC PAINT COLOR COLLECTION.
THAT ROOF RAFTER TAILS BE EXPRESSED AT ROOF OVERHANGS AND THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE OF BRUSH FINISHED.
CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 3.3 UNDER BUILDING SITE AND LANDSCAPING AND SECTIONS 9.3, 9.6 AND 9.7 UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT CORNER LOT WITH A REAR DETACHED TWO CAR GARAGE BE APPROVED FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
COMMENTS ONE, ADD ADDITIONAL WINDOWS TO THE LIVING ROOM AND BEDROOMS. TWO, ADD TRIM TO THE WINDOWS AND TO THE PAIRED WINDOWS.
ADD VOLUME AND THREE EXTEND ROOFIE 18 INCHES.
FOUR COLUMN BASES SHOULD BE BRICK.
AND TO BE AT GROUND LEVEL FIVE, CHECK THE COLOR FOR THE SIDING.
SEVEN, ADD BRACKETS TO THE FRONT FACADE AND EIGHT, REVIEW THE SIDE GABLES.
SO WHAT ARE WE CURRENTLY SEEING? OKAY, SO WHAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY SEEING, I WAS ASKED ABOUT, OH, THAT'S NEIGHBORING OR NEARBY DUPLEXES.
AND THIS IS WHAT I PROVIDED TO THE APPLICANT'S TEAM, I WANT TO SAY AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR MONTHS AGO.
THAT'S THE NEAREST DUPLEX OVER ON UH, BIRMINGHAM AVENUE.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WAS PROPOSING IT, IN ADDITION TO IT BEING APPROPRIATE IS BECAUSE IT HAS LIKE A DORMER AREA TALL ENOUGH SUCH THAT IF THEY WANTED TO DO A FINISHED ATTIC, LIKE A SECOND STORY, THEY COULD.
SO THAT'S WHAT STAFF HAD IN MIND.
AND WE HAVE A SPEAKER SIGNED UP FOR THIS.
AND I SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.
OH YEAH, YOU'VE BEEN AROUND BEFORE HERE, HAVEN'T YOU?
UM, DID YOU HEAR OUR BRIEFING AND OUR COMMENTS AFTER I DID.
UM, AND ALL THE COMMENTS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.
I'M GONNA SHARE WITH YOU GUYS THE NEW SET OF PLANS, UM, BASED ON THE COMMENTS FROM DR.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS CAN SEE THAT.
AND I'M GONNA ACTUALLY GO TO THE, OKAY.
ARE YOU GUYS ABLE TO SEE THAT? YES.
SO WE, WE HAVE ADDED THE TRIM TO THE WINDOWS, UM, ADDED ADDITIONAL WINDOWS TO THE LIVING ROOM AND BEDROOMS. WE EXTENDED THE ROOF EVES TO 18 INCHES.
THE ACTUAL COLUMN BASIS, UM, HAVE BEEN WIDENED TO 18 INCHES AS WELL AND DROPPED DOWN TO THE GRADE.
UH, WE DID CHECK THE COLOR FOR THE SIDING.
UM, SIMILAR TO HIS, WHAT THE HISTORIC REQUEST
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UPDATED THE MATERIAL SHEET TO MATCH THE DOORS, WINDOWS, AND THE SIDING TO THE MATERIAL SHEET.WE ADDED BRACKETS TO THE FRONT FACADE AND THEN WE REVIEWED THE SIDE GABLE.
UM, WE DID HEIGHTEN THE PITCH TO GIVE THE HISTORICAL TEAM DR.
DUN AND HER TEAM, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A VIEW FROM THE SIDE VIEW FOR THE ACTUAL GABLE.
THEY WANTED TO RAISE THE PITCH A LITTLE.
WE DID NOT DO ANYTHING ON THE FRONT AS FAR AS UM, PUT SOME KIND OF DORMER OR FINISHING UP THE ATTIC SPACE.
AS YOU GUYS KNOW, WE'VE TRIED TO PROPOSE, UM, A SECOND FLOOR FINISHED ATTIC.
WE'VE GOT IT KICKED BACK A FEW TIMES.
DUNN'S TEAM, WE'RE NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH IT.
SO WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, TALKED TO MS. LORI WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR A DUPLEX BEING ALLOWED.
SO NOW WE'RE BRINGING BACK A DUPLEX STRUCTURE TO YOU FOR APPROVAL.
UM, AGAIN, ALL THE ADJUSTMENTS REQUESTED HAVE BEEN MADE AND OUR, AS WHAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE FRONT ELEVATION.
AND WE, WE APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS TO, TO MEET WHAT THE TASK FORCE, UM, REQUESTED THAT YOU DO.
THEY ARE OF COURSE ONE COMPONENT OF HOW WE WORK ON, UM, MAKING SURE THAT THE DESIGNS FIT IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO NOW LET US SEE WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT.
AND THEY WERE ALL REAL CHATTY THIS MORNING, SO THEY'D BETTER BE CHATTY NOW.
I HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF DUPLEXES ALLOWED ON THAT LODGE.
OKAY, SO THE DUPLEX IS FINE? YES.
CAN YOU GO TO THE PHOTO, UH, THE, THE SLIDE WITH THE, THE STREET FACE SHOWING THE, THE OTHER HOUSES, THE, THE PLAN OF THE OTHER HOUSES.
AS I SAID IN THE BRIEFING, MY CONCERN IS THAT, WELL FIRST OF ALL, THIS TYPE OF DUPLEX, THIS TYPE OF DOUBLE SHOTGUN IS NOT FOUND IN WHEATLEY PLACE.
IS THAT CORRECT? GO, GO OUT THE ABOVE THAT WITH THE, UM, THE SITE.
MY CONCERN IS ALTHOUGH A DUPLEXES ALLOW, THERE ARE DUPLEXES THAT ARE IN WHEATLEY PLACE THAT ARE MORE APPROPRIATE IN SCALE.
WE CAN SEE ON THIS BLOCK WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE SIZE HOUSES THAN ONE VERY LARGE DUPLEX, WHICH TAKES UP MORE OF THE LOT THAN THE OTHER HOUSES.
SO IT DOESN'T WORK WITH THE RHYTHM AND SPACE OR THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU, YOU SAID THE DUPLEX YOU SHOWED US EARLIER WAS SUBMITTED TO THE APPLICANT AND YOU CHOSE NOT TO DO THAT.
UM, WHEN THE STAFF GAVE YOU THE DUPLEX THAT WAS APPROPRIATE TO THE DISTRICT, YOU CHOSE NOT TO DO THAT DESIGN AND DO THIS ONE INSTEAD? UH, NO.
THIS IS WHAT WE ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED.
UM, GOING THROUGH THE DUPLEX AND IT'S UM, 15 FEET WIDE, 15, 16 FEET WIDE TO 20, UM, 40 FEET WIDE.
AND THE 40 FEET WIDE IS STILL PRETTY SIMILAR TO THE SIZE OF WHAT SOME OF THE DWELLINGS ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SEE WE'RE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE NEW STRUCTURES FIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARCHITECTURALLY, STYLISTICALLY AND SIZE WISE.
AND IN MY OPINION, THIS BUILDING, ALTHOUGH IT IS A GOOD LOOKING BUILDING FOR SOMEPLACE ELSE, IT DOESN'T FIT ANY OF THOSE CONDITIONS IN WHEATLEY PLACE.
SO I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS LARGE DUPLEX WHEN OTHER SMALLER DUPLEXES WITH THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD FIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT IF IT WERE TO COME TO PASS AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WILL, THAT OTHER COMMISSIONERS AGREED THAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE THIS APPEARANCE OF TWO SHOTGUN HOUSES.
WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE OTHER TYPE OF DUPLEX THAT STAFF SUGGESTED TO YOU? UM, IS IT THE ELEVATION OR IS IT THE WIDTH? BECAUSE GOING DOWN THE 15 FEET WIDE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A 10 FOOT WIDE BEDROOM.
'CAUSE WE STILL HAVE TO PUT A HALLWAY.
SO LET, LET'S START WITH THE APPEARANCE.
IF YOU MADE IT LOOK MORE LIKE A ONE BUILDING THAT WIDTH, BUT IT HAS TWO DOORS IN IT AND THEY SHARE THE PORCH.
I CAN CHANGE THE FRONT GABLE TO MAKE IT ONE GABLE INSTEAD OF TWO SEPARATE ONES.
WE CAN DO ONE GABLE AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE ONE HOME.
IT, IT MIGHT THEN THAT MIGHT BE DIFFICULT WITH THE CURRENT WIDTH, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY WANTING
I'M, I'M NOT TIED TO A CERTAIN WAY.
IT'S JUST WHAT WITH THE WIDTH, THIS IS WHAT FITS, UM, THE TWO SEPARATE GABLES.
BUT IF YOU WANT A ONE COMPLETE GABLE, I COULD STILL LEAVE THE TWO SEPARATE GABLES, THROW A SECOND GABLE TYING BOTH OF THOSE INTO EACH OTHER.
UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT THE PICTURE LOOKED LIKE.
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SECOND.LET'S HERE ONE OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHO HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT IT.
LET ME JUST, UH, ASK STAFF, IS THERE A A LOT COVERAGE ISSUE ON, ON THIS? SEEMS LIKE WE'RE TAKING THIS FROM PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE AND THE PERCENTAGES.
DO WE HAVE THAT CONCERN? I'M NOT SURE.
MR. MOJICA, ARE YOU WITHIN THE LOT COVERAGE? 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE MORE FAMILIAR WITH THIS 'CAUSE YOU'VE DONE THIS BEFORE MULTIPLE TIMES.
SO WHAT'S YOUR LOT COVERAGE? WE ARE AT 47% LOT COVERAGE.
AND WHAT'S THE LIMIT? THE LIMIT FOR A LOT OF THE PROPERTIES HERE IS 60 BEING THE DUPLEX.
UM, BUT RESIDENTIAL, LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY WOULD BE 45.
YEAH, I THOUGHT IT WAS 45 BUT THAT, YEAH.
WELL HE SAYS HE'S AT, I KNOW IT TO BE 45.
BUT THE QUESTION IS BEING A DUPLEX, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE MIGHT BE TRYING TO DECIDE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT NOT BE POSSIBLE TO BE BUILT.
'CAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE THE LOT COVERAGE WAS, WAS BEING OVER, IT WAS OVER A LOT COVERAGE.
SO WE'RE WE'RE UNDERSTANDING IT THAT THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO COME INTO PLAY OR WORK OR CLOSE.
MY COVERAGE WILL HAVE TO BE CHECKED.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S NOT OUR PURVIEW.
BUT ALSO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT MIGHT NOT PASS.
I WAS JUST GONNA ADD THOUGH THAT PERHAPS THEN FROM A MASSING STANDPOINT, MAYBE THAT IS KIND OF A BENCHMARK YOU COULD USE.
IS TRYING TO, IF WE'RE HAVING AN ISSUE, WE'RE, WE'RE BUSTING A LITTLE BIT AT THE MASSING PART OF IT IS, IS WHAT WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN AND REDUCING THE OVERALL FOOTPRINT, THE OVERALL MASSING.
UH, SO IT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST DUPLEX OWNER REQUIRES DU DUPLEX IS THE 60%.
SO BEING A DUPLEX, WE WERE AT 45 FROM RESIDENTIAL BEING A DUPLEX WE'RE AT 60.
IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS ARE GONNA IMPLEMENT THE 45%, THEN I CAN REDUCE THE 2%.
BUT THE REASON FOR THE 47 WAS BEING A DUPLEX ZONING.
WELL LET, LET'S, LET'S PAUSE ON THIS LOT COVERS THOUGHT AND JUST THINK ABOUT MASSING ITSELF SINCE THAT BA BASICALLY OUR PURVIEW IS MASSING.
UM, IF WE JUST BASICALLY GOT RID OF ONE OF THE GABLES AND TR AND YOU KNOW, DID SOME MODIFICATION TO THE ELEVATION AND THE LOOK, UM, THIS WIDTH OF THIS HOUSE SEEMS TO BE MUCH GREATER THAN A LOT OF THE OTHER HOUSES ON THE BLOCK.
DOES IT NOT ASKING QUESTION FOR STAFF.
SO, SO IS IT DISRUPTING THE RHYTHM OF, UH, OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, OF THIS LOT, OF THIS LOT? I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT GONNA BE MAKING AN ADVERSE EFFECT WHEN WE HAVE A DOUBLE MASSING BUILDING, UH, THAT'S NEXT TO ALL OF ITS NEIGHBORS DOWN THE STREET.
EVEN IF EVEN IF WE FIXED THE SHOTGUN LOOK CORRECT, IT IS WIDER AS HE'S SHOWING HERE THAN THE OTHER HOUSES ON THAT SAME BLOCK BASE BY CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT, IT SEEMS TO BE CORRECT.
CAN YOU GO TO THE SITE PLAN AGAIN AND ONE ABOVE HERE.
WHAT DOES THE ORDINANCE SAY AS FAR AS THE FRONT YARD SETBACK? 'CAUSE THIS ONE'S STICKING WAY OUT FROM THE REST OF THEM.
IT SAYS WITHIN 10%, BUT THE OTHER THING, MR. MOJICA, SINCE IT'S ON A CORNER LOT, UH, WHAT ABOUT THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE? THERE'S YOUR VISIBILITY TRIANGLE.
OKAY, SO WE'RE 25 FEET PUSHED BACK.
WE'RE WITHIN THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE.
AGAIN, THE LOT COVERAGE WAS BASED OFF OF DUPLEX ZONING.
THE PROPERTY IS FIVE FEET WIDER THAN YOUR RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
WE TRIED TO PROPOSE RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
COUNCIL KICKED IT BACK A FEW TIMES.
YOU GUYS DECIDED TO REQUEST A DUPLEX.
WE WENT TO THE CITY, DISCUSSED WITH THE CITY, GOT THE CITY TO FINALLY APPROVE A DUPLEX.
AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE BRINGING BACK AS THE YOU REQUESTED WAS A DUPLEX.
UM, I HAVE NO ISSUES TYING IN ONE GABLE TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
NO PROBLEMS. THE THE ONLY ISSUE WOULD BE REDUCING DOWN TO 15 FEET WIDE EACH.
EACH UNIT WOULD MAKE THESE BEDROOMS 10 FEET WIDE, WHICH WOULD BE UNREALISTIC FOR A BEDROOM SIZE.
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A FRONT AND BACK UNIT WITH A ACCESS TO ONE UNIT OFF OF THE MYERS STREET? IF I DO A FRONT UNIT AND A BACK UNIT, YOU GUYS ARE GONNA SAY IT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT THE VIEW IS.UM, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS A FEW TIMES, GONE BACK AND FORTH WITH IT AND WE TRY TO KEEP IT AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE, UM, JUST TO GET THE APPROVAL.
AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT IDEAS, UM, A LOT OF CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED BY ALL THE TEAMS AND WE JUST KIND OF PUT IT ALL TOGETHER, TRY TO KEEP IT AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE FOR THE APPROVAL.
MADAM CHAIR? UH, YES, MR. RES.
HANG, I JUST, I DID WANNA REASSURE
WE DO UNDERSTAND THIS HAS BEEN A FRUSTRATING MULTI-STEP PROCESS, BUT WE'D LIKE YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT ADDRESSING HOW TO PROPERLY USE THIS LOT WITHOUT DOING ANY DAMAGE TO THE STREETSCAPE AND THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS A REALLY DIFFICULT CHALLENGE FOR US TOO.
SO WE'RE TRYING OUR BEST TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.
COMMISSIONER REEVES? WELL, AS I RECALL ORIGINALLY THERE WAS, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU COMMISSIONER REEVES.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.
CAN YOU HEAR ME BETTER NOW? YEAH.
UH, AS I RECALL THE PART OF THE SLIDE USED TO BE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND THEN IT NEEDED TO BE ZONED BACK TOGETHER.
AM I REMEMBER THE RIGHT PIECE OF PROPERTY? IT TURNED OUT THAT IT WAS ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO BUILD JUST ONE BUILDING ON IT, BUT FOR A WHILE IT DID HOUSE, I BELIEVE A LAUNDROMAT.
IT LOOKS NOW LIKE THEY TOOK THE TWO SHOTGUN HOUSES, PUT, PUSHED THEM TOGETHER AND PUT TWO WINDOWS IN THE MIDDLE.
AM I MISTAKEN? THAT SEEMS TO BE WHAT, WHAT WAS THE MOST WORKABLE SOLUTION WITH THE EXISTING PLAN THEY ALREADY HAVE.
AND SO THEY CHOSE TO GO THAT DIRECTION.
UM, THE PLAN WAS COMPLETELY REDONE FROM THE ORIGINAL SHOTGUN HOMES.
AND I'M SAYING WE TOOK OVER AS THE ARCHITECTS, WE REDESIGNED EVERYTHING.
THE FLOOR PLANS COMPARED TO THE SHOTGUN STYLE HOMES ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
THERE'S NO LONGER A SECOND STORY.
UH, THREE INDIVIDUAL BEDROOMS. UH, WE ADDED THE ROOT DIFFERENT WINDOWS THAT THE, UH, DR.
SO WE WENT BACK AND ADDED A LOT MORE WINDOWS.
'CAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE WINDOWS PROPOSED THAT YOU SEE NOW.
WELL, MY FIRST HOUSE WAS, WAS A FOX AND JACOBS HOME, AND ONE OF THE BEDROOMS WAS NINE BY 10.
BUT IF THE, UH, LAUNDROMAT FACED MEYER STREET, I I DON'T THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE AN OBJECTION TO ONE OF THE HOUSES FACING MY, ONE OF THE PARTS OF THE DUPLEX FACING MEYER STREET.
AND AGAIN, I HAVE NO PROBLEM FACING THE DUPLEX TO THE SIDE.
BUT THEN THE FRONT ELEVATION, THE CON CONFORMING IT TO THAT.
I'M SURE I WOULD RECEIVE A LOT OF KICKBACK FROM THAT.
IS THAT COMMISSIONER BRIGGS? ALRIGHTY.
SO THERE THERE IS ANOTHER IDEA.
UH, WE DO NEED TO START TO SEE WHAT DIRECTION WE'RE GOING WITH THIS AND SO THAT WE CAN EVENTUALLY REACH A MOTION OF SOME SORT.
WELL, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER? NO, THE THE THING I, I'M JUST THINKING THAT WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE.
UM, BUT EVEN IF WE GET RID OF ONE OF THE GABLES AND TRY TO MAKE THIS, UH, INTO WHAT WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, IT'S GONNA BE A, A LARGE ENOUGH THING THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT A CONDITION TODAY.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SEE THIS COME BACK, UM, WITH, WITH WHATEVER WE MODIFY, JUST TO ENSURE THE MASS IS NOT TOO GREAT TO ENSURE THAT IT DID COME OUT LOOKING LIKE WE'RE THINKING IF WE TRY TO CHANGE THIS, UH, AT, AT THE TABLE HERE TODAY.
AND I'M JUST SEEING HOW IT, IT, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK AFTER THAT.
BUT I WILL DEFER TO COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
THIS IS ONE OF THE, ONE OF THOSE TIMES WHERE I THINK WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US CANNOT BE FIXED.
IT'S TOO WIDE, IT'S TOO FAR FORWARD.
HE'S TRYING TO MAKE A VERY LARGE DUPLEX IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S VERY, HAS VERY QUAINT COTTAGES.
SO IN THE CASE OF 20, UH, CASE 26 DASH 180 8 3 A ADDRESS IS 29 37.
WITHOUT PREJUDICE, THE PROPERTY WILL HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE DISTRICT.
THIS STRUCTURE IS TOO WIDE FOR THE RHYTHM AND SPACE OF THE BLOCK FACE.
THE FRONT YARD SETBACK APPEARS NOT TO ALIGN WITH THE OTHERS ON THE BLOCK.
OTHER DUPLEX THE DISTRICT ARE MORE APPROPRIATE TO THE DISTRICT.
EXPLORE MAKING IT SMALLER AND CONVERTING THE ATTIC SPACE FOR MORE, UH, A STORY AND A HALF, CONVERTING THE ATTIC SPACE FOR MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SECOND, OUR SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER REEVES.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE? COMMISSIONER CUMMINS? I'D LIKE TO JUST MAKE IT A COMMENT
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JUST BECAUSE THIS SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GONNA GET A DENIAL TODAY.DOESN'T, I DON'T THINK IT REALLY SHOWS HOW CLOSE WE PROBABLY ARE.
IF WE CAN CORRECT A LITTLE BIT OF THE MASSING AND CORRECT THE, THE SHOTGUN STYLE, UH, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE APPLICANT'S DUE DILIGENCE AND, AND APTITUDE.
I THINK ON THIS, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE FIX WILL BE MUCH MORE MINIMUM, UH, UH, THAN WHAT WE'RE THINKING.
AND I, I DO APPLAUD YOUR EFFORTS AND I THINK WE'RE GETTING CLOSER.
BUT I, I DO WANT TO, UH, SUPPORT THE MOTION THAT IS HERE.
AND I THINK THE SPIRIT OF THE MOTION IS, IS, IS RIGHT IN ORDER.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? A WHO WAS THAT? COMMISSIONER.
YOU ARE IN A POSITION OPPOSITION TO THIS? I AM.
AND THAT IS THE ONLY PERSON WHO OPPOSED.
ALRIGHT THEN THE MOTION HAS STILL CARRIED.
ANYBODY ELSE? I THINK I SAW TAYLOR.
WELL, I CAN'T SEE ANYBODY 'CAUSE OF PLAN.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, WERE YOU ALSO IN OPPOSITION? YES.
ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE THREE IN OPPOSITION.
THAT STILL MEANS THAT THE MOTION CARRIED NOW TO OUR APPLICANT BECAUSE YOU DID GET A DENIAL.
YOU HAVE THE OPTION OF GOING TO THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION WITH AN APPEAL.
THEY WILL, THEIR ONLY JUDGMENT WILL BE WHETHER THEY THINK WE RULED APPROPRIATELY OR NOT.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA, UM, REDESIGN IT RIGHT.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA TO DEAL WITH THE DETAILS.
BUT, UM, WE WOULD PREFER THAT YOU WORK CLOSELY WITH STAFF TO TRY TO DO WHAT WE'VE, I THINK WE'VE MADE THE POINT.
WE WANT A, A, A NARROWER BUILDING AND SEE WITH A DIFFERENT FRONT LOOKING AND SEE WHAT THE, UM, WHAT THEY CAN HELP YOU WITH ABOUT THE FACADE.
WE'RE HOPING THAT YOU'LL COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WILL BE REALLY NICE.
AND WE'D LIKE TO, NOW I HAVE ROOM TO PUSH THE HOUSE BACK.
WE COULD GO BACK 15, 24, 20 MORE FEET.
UM, BUT SHORTENING THE WIDTH OF THE HOUSE GOES BACK TO LOOKING LIKE MORE OF A SHOTGUN STYLE HOME.
AND THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE WAS OPPOSED TO.
AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS PROCESS A LOT DIFFICULT.
UM, EVEN WHEN WE'RE AT A STYLE, WELL, EVEN IF WAS A LITTLE NARROWER, THE OVERALL FACADE, ONCE THEY'RE JOINED IN, IN A UNDER A SINGLE PORCH OR ROOF, SOMEHOW WOULD LOOK LIKE THE WIDTH OF THE REST OF THE HOUSES.
SOMEONE MENTIONED PUTTING 'EM TOGETHER, MADE IT LOOK LIKE TWO SHOTGUN STYLE HOMES.
IF I GO ANY LESS, IT'S REALLY GONNA LOOK LIKE A SHOTGUN STYLE HOME.
AGAIN, BEING 15 FEET WIDE ON EACH SIDE AND THEN TRYING TO FINISH OUT ARE LIKE 12 FEET WIDE.
SO IF YOU PUT TWO OF THEM TOGETHER WITH THAT KIND OF ROOF, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, IT WON'T LOOK LIKE A SHOTGUN ANYMORE.
I'M SURE THAT THERE IS A WAY TO MANAGE THIS THOUGH.
LIKE I ALREADY SAID, THIS IS A HARD PROBLEM, BUT WE'RE HOPING THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SUCCEED AT IT.
CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? I THINK IT'S BEST TO GO BACK TO THE DUPLEXES THAT EXIST IN WHEATLEY PLACE.
WORK WITH STAFF THAT WE BUILD A DUPLEX THAT FITS THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT DOESN'T LOOK TOO LARGE AND TOO, TOO WIDE.
SO THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY.
I'M SORRY THINGS DIDN'T WORK OUT QUITE AS YOU WISHED.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE A MOTION TO, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO REARRANGE OUR AGENDA? YEAH.
HAVE YOU FIGURED IT OUT? OKAY.
SO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT, UH, JAMES MCGEE WHO'S HERE FOR CASE NUMBER 16.
SO I, I THINK PROBABLY WHAT WE CAN DO IS CAN CONTINUE ON OR WE COULD TAKE OUR LITTLE BREAK NOW.
OH, WE COULD TAKE A BREAK NOW.
WELL, WELL, DOES EVERYBODY WANNA TAKE A LITTLE BREAK WHILE WE WAIT FOR MR. MCGEE AND SURE.
AND BY THE WAY, CITY PLAN COMMISSION TAKES MUCH MORE, MANY MORE BREAKS THAN WE DO DURING THEIR MEETINGS.
Y ARE TOUGHER THAN THEY'RE, WE'RE JUST, YEAH, WE'RE, YEAH, WE'RE DEDICATE, UH, LET'S, LET'S MAKE IT THREE.
OKAY, NOW WE HAVE A QUORUM BACK.
ALL RIGHT, WE ARE READY TO RESUME.
COMMISSIONER PREZI HAS A MOTION TO REORDER THE AGENDA.
I'D LIKE TO REORDER THE AGENDA AS FOLLOWS.
UH, WE'LL HAVE CASE NUMBER 16 7 10 11 12 13, 17
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AND 19.SO LET'S PROCEED WITH UM, CASE NUMBER SECOND.
WHO SECONDED THAT MR. REESE HAS SECONDED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? ALL THEN, THEN WE MOVE ON TO PAGE 16.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE FILE NUMBER IS 26 DASH 180 8 A.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT ONE 12 NORTH CLIFF STREET.
IT'S IN COUNCIL DISTRICT FOUR, THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE COA NUMBER IS COA DASH 26 DASH SEVEN SIX.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT CORNER.
LOT WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
A REAR DETACHED TWO CAR GARAGE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT CORNER LOT WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A REAR DETACHED TWO CAR GARAGE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 4 27 20 26 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT WINDOWS BE ALL WOOD.
IN OTHER WORDS, NO CLADDING WITH WITH LIGHT CONFIGURATION 1 0 1, THAT LENGTH OF LURID VENT ON FRONT DOMER BE INCREASED.
THAT PAIRED WINDOWS BE ADDED TO THE LEFT SIDE ELEVATION.
FRONT 50% THAT PAINT COLORS FOR THE BODY AND TRIM BE SELECTED FROM A HISTORIC PAINT COLOR SELECTION.
THAT FOUNDATION BE A MINIMUM OF 18 INCHES ABOVE GRADE AND BE EITHER PEER AND BEAM OR CONCRETE POST AND BEAM AND THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE OF BRUSH FINISHED CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION C, PERTAINING TO SITE AND SITE ELEMENTS AND SECTION B UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION B, NO SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT CORNER.
LOT OF AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AR REAR DETACH TWO FAR GARAGE BE APPROVED AND FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND COMMENTS.
ONE RESIZED MOVE OF RENT TOO SMALL TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF WINDOWS ON THE LEFT SIDE.
USE 1 1 0 4 10TH STREET AS AN EXAMPLE.
MODEL FOUR INCLUDE PORCH COLUMN DETAILS.
FIVE TO MAKE SURE THE MATERIAL SHEET AND DRAWINGS PLANS MATCH AND INCLUDE PHOTOS AND MATERIALS.
AND WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER, JAMES, LAST MAN STANDING HERE WAITING FOR
I GUESS YOU HAVE TO GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AGAIN AND THEN YOU HAVE TO SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.
IS IT ON? I DON'T THINK IT'S ON.
SO JAMES MCGEE 1402 CORINTH, DALLAS, TEXAS SEVEN FIVE.
SO WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US FURTHER ABOUT YOUR PROJECT? SO AS FOR BEFORE WE GET TO THE PROJECT, I MEAN THIS IS OUR SIXTH PROJECT WITHIN THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, IT'S ACTUALLY OUR FOURTH, PARTICULARLY ON THE NORTH CLIFF BLOCK.
WE HAVE 1 0 2 NORTH CLIFF UNDER RENOVATION, 1 0 8, 1 0 8, 1 10 THAT ALMOST COMPLETED FOR THE RENOVATION.
THE ONE 12 WILL ACTUALLY COMPLETE THAT BLOCK YOU MENTION.
IT'S UM, IT'S A, I THINK IT'S FOUR BEDROOM, TWO BATH, ACTUALLY ONE CAR GARAGE.
I'D SAY ABOUT SAY TWO CAR GARAGE, ACTUALLY.
BUT, UM, LIKE I SAID, WE JUST TRYING TO IMPROVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, COMPLETE THE BLOCK.
UH, LOOKING FORWARD TO ANY FEEDBACK OR QUESTIONS, WHICH I MAY HAVE.
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THINK THE ONLY FEEDBACK THAT CAME UP FROM, UM, EARLIER FROM THAT BRIEFING THAT YOU LEARNED UP ABOUT THE GARAGE WAS THAT DORMER POTENTIALLY SLIDING BACK, WHICH I THINK IS AN EASY CONDITION THAT CAN BE MET.UM, AND HOW, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT MR. MCGEE? OH, THAT'S FINE.
I WENT BACK AND TOOK A LOOK AT THE HISTORICAL AREA BEFORE THE, THE INITIAL HOUSE THAT WAS DONE THAT WAS DEMOLISHED IN LIKE 2012.
UH, I MEAN, SO I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
UM, COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS? YEAH, UH, THE DORMER IS AN ISSUE.
IT'S JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, THE WHERE IT'S STARTING IS JUST TOO CLOSE TO THE ROOF EDGE.
UM, SO WE NEED TO GET THAT FURTHER UP.
THAT, UM, IS THAT A VENT OR IS THAT A WINDOW THAT'S IN THE DORM ROOM? THAT'S A WINDOW.
WHAT'S THE SIZE OF IT? I DON'T KNOW.
WE HAVE AGREED TO MAKE IT LARGER.
AND THAT'S AND HOW MUCH LARGER IS IT GONNA, WHAT'S IT GONNA BE? THEY TOLD US TO LOOK, TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
SO YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT ONE FOR AS A GO BY, UH, TO GET THE, THE SIZE OF THE WINDOW? YES.
AND YOUR REPORT TO STAFF ON THAT? YES.
AND WHAT'S YOUR ROOF OVERHANG DIMENSION? I DON'T SEE A DIMENSION LOCATED ON WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, BUT YOU MAY KNOW OR YOU MAY HAVE IT, IT IT, THE REASON I ASK IS 'CAUSE IT LOOKS A LITTLE SMALL FROM THE, FROM THE FACE OF THE EXTERIOR WALL TO THE EDGE OF THE ROOF, THAT ROOF OVERHANG FOR A CRAFTSMAN HOUSE.
IT, IT, IT SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN THIS.
THIS LOOKS, UH, UNDER THE MINIMUM.
UH, AND IT WINDS UP LOSING THAT CRAFTSMAN FEEL OF, OF HAVING A, THE PROPER OVERHANG.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE ENSURE THAT WE HAD A PROPER OVERHANG.
UM, I'M THIS LOOKING, TO ME, IT'S LOOKING LIKE IT'S CLOSE TO A FOOT SHOWN MAYBE.
AND SO I THINK WE'RE GETTING MORE IN THE CRAFTSMAN OVERHANG WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AROUND TWO FEET OR SO.
I MEAN THEY EVEN GET UP TO 36 INCHES A LOT OF TIME ON SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN, UM, BUT LET'S SEE WHAT THE TYPICAL IS FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO MAYBE THAT THE OVERHANG, WE CAN TRY TO MA MATCH THAT TOO IF WE'RE, ONCE WE'RE UPDATING THE DORM OR TWO.
AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT I'M SURE.
I MEAN WE JUST TAKE A LOOK AT OUR OTHER CRAFT AROUND THE CORNER.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I AGREE WITH THE DORMER AND THE DORMER WINDOW THAT NEEDS TO BE REVISED.
WE NEED MORE WINDOWS ON BOTH SIDES, PARTICULARLY TOWARD THE FRONT FACADE BECAUSE THERE'S BIG BLANK WALLS.
UM, IT APPEARS THAT THE SOFFIT IS CLOSED, BUT YET WE HAVE THOSE BRACKETS.
ARE THOSE SUPPOSED TO BE RAPTOR TAILS OR BRACKETS? THE LITTLE, THE LITTLE DOTS THERE.
ARE, ARE THEY LITTLE DENTALS OR THEY MIGHT BE EVEN WHAT MEANING THESE
BUT LET ME SAY IT'S FAR THE WINDOWS, I'M OKAY WITH ADDING MORE WINDOWS AND I GET A CLARIFICATION ON THAT AS WELL.
BECAUSE DOES RAPTOR TAILS GOOD? I DON'T KNOW WHY DENTALS WOULD BE ON THIS
SO
IT'S MORE OF A VERNACULAR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND ALSO WHAT TYPE OF SIDING IS IT? A LAP SIDING.
AND WHAT IS THE LAMP, UM, DIMENSION? IS IT A FOUR INCH OR SIX? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE SIDING IS? OH, ONE 17 ON THE, NO, THAT LOOKS LIKE 1 0 5.
DO WE KNOW WHAT THE, THE EXPRESSION IS IT FOUR INCHES INCHES OF, I MEAN THE DRAWING, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S MASSIVE, BUT THAT'S JUST A DRAWING.
IF IT'S 1 0 5 IT SHOULD BE SIX TO EIGHT INCHES.
AND I THINK THE INTENTION IS 1 0 5.
I KNOW, BUT GRAPHICALLY, THIS LOOKS REALLY WIDE ON THE DRAWING, BUT AS LONG AS IT'S TYPICAL TO THE DISTRICT, SO, OKAY.
UM, I THINK THAT'S MY CONCERNS.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LITTLE BRACKETS ARE OR DENTALS.
THAT'S JUST A KNOWING THE DESIGNER.
I THINK SHE MEANT THOSE ARE EXPRESSED RAP TAILS.
WE JUST NEED SOME CLARIFICATION.
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ARE THEY JUST, AND ARE THEY WRAPPED STICKING OUT OR ARE THEY JUST FLUSH WITH THE, THE SOFFIT.WELL I'LL, UH, LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ONE MORE DETAIL.
I THINK THE, UM, OKAY, JUST A SECOND.
WAS THAT, WHO WAS THAT? MR. TAYLOR OR, OKAY, SO JUST HANG ON, LET WITH, OKAY.
WHAT DID YOU HAVE, MR. CUMMINGS? 'CAUSE WE'RE READY FOR MOTION.
APPARENTLY I JUST HAD, UH, OTHER CONCERNS ABOUT DIMENSIONS AND IF WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THIS PROPER FOR A CROSSING STYLE HOUSE.
I HAD UH, WHAT'S THE DIMENSIONS ON THE WINDOW? FRAMING ON, YOU KNOW, THE, SEE THAT BOARD THAT GOES AROUND THE WINDOWS? IT LOOKS A LITTLE SMALL.
DO WE HAVE DI DO WE HAVE A DIMENSION FOR THAT? IT SHOULD BE, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE DIMENSION RIGHT OFF HAND.
DO YOU HAVE A WINDOW DETAIL THAT'S PROVIDED? SO WE JUST HAVE ELEVATIONS TO GO BY AND A LOT OF OUR CONCERNS COULD BE 'CAUSE OF THE DRAWINGS AND MAKING YEAH.
SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, WE SEE A LARGE, WE SEE A LARGER ELEVATION AND THEN WE GO BACK AND LOOK A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE DETAILS THAT ARE PROVIDED TO GET A CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THE DIMENSIONS COULD BE.
AND THAT SOMETIMES SATISFIES THAT WE, WE EITHER UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS A GOOD DIMENSION OR WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED BASED UPON WHAT YOU'VE GIVEN.
SOME OF THESE DIMENSIONS LOOK NOT APPROPRIATE FOR CRAFTSMEN.
UM, DESIGN AND, AND DETAILS SUCH AS THAT.
WOOD CASING SEEMS TO BE, UH, VERY SMALL WITH THE ONLY THING THAT YOU PROVIDED ON THE WOOD WINDOW ELEVATIONS.
SO WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH THE DORMER.
WE HAVE CONCERNS WITH WINDOWS, THE LACK OF WINDOWS ON THE SIDE ELEVATIONS, UH, THE FENESTRATIONS OPENINGS THAT USUALLY ARE TYPICAL.
AND THIS, UH, WE HAVE CLARIFICATION ON RAPTOR TAILS, DIMENSIONS OF THE ROOF OVERHANG THAT'S NOT PROVIDED THAT WE'RE WANTING TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT A TYPICAL ROOF DETAIL.
AND WE HAVE THIS WINDOW CASING.
UH, UH, SO WE DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS HERE AND WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY OF THOSE ANSWERS, BUT BECAUSE WE DON'T EITHER HAVE THE DETAIL PROVIDED OR YOU DON'T KNOW OFFHAND IN THE DRAWING, SHE'S SHOWING THAT THE, UH, WINDOW TRIM IS THREE AND A HALF INCHES.
AND THIS IS TYPICALLY AROUND FIVE AND A HALF IS ANOTHER A FOUR MINIMUM? WELL, FOUR BECAUSE FOUR MINIMUM ACTUALLY USED TWO.
THE OLD TWO BY FOUR, WHICH ACTUALLY WAS FOUR, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND NOW IT'S THREE AND A HALF.
THE GANGED WINDOWS WHERE THE TWO COME TOGETHER SHOULD BE ONE, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR SIX INCH.
AND THERE'S, THERE'S LIKE SIX, FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT BOARDS IN THERE.
YOU SEE WHERE THE GANG, WHERE THE GANG COMES TOGETHER, IT SHOULD HAVE ONE.
AND THERE'S LIKE THREE OF THEM IN THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S ABOUT IT.
BUT AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THE PARTICULAR DESIGNER, SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO TRANSLATE FOR HER WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
THAT'S WHY WHEN THERE'S WINDOW DETAILS PROVIDED WE GET THOSE CLARIFICATIONS.
AND IF NOT THEN WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING THAT IT'S DONE LIKE WE WANT AND MM-HMM.
SOMETIMES IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE.
DO WE THINK THERE'S ENOUGH? I MEAN, CAN WE APPROVE THIS TODAY OR DO WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY HELD A MOTION THERE? YEAH.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR HAS A MOTION.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD GO BACK TO MR. TAYLOR AND SEE IF HE WOULD LIKE TO GO FORWARD WITH HIS MOTION FROM, FROM HEARING ALL OF THESE DETAILS.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT AREN'T GOING TO CHANGE THE SIZE AND THE SCALE OF THIS HOME THAT I THINK WE CAN APPROVE WITH THE CONDITION OF STATING WHAT THOSE ARE, WHICH MY MOTION WOULD BE TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITION OF THAT THE DORMER IS RECESSED BACK, UM, THAT THE RAFTER TAILS ARE SHOWN AND NOTATED WITH DETAILS THAT THAT WINDOW DETAIL IS SHOWN WITH THE THREE AND A HALF LIKE IT IS ON THE FRONT, BUT A FIVE AND A HALF ON THE HEAD.
UM, AND THEN ON THE FRONT WINDOW CASINGS THAT IT HAS A SINGLE FRAME IN THE MIDDLE.
SECOND, OH, UH, STAFF IS ASKING, DO YOU ALSO WANNA INCLUDE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS OH.
AND IMPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
DID YOU MENTION MORE WINDOWS ON THE TWO SIDES TOWARD THE FRONT? THE STAFF
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IS, SO I, AND THEN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION? YES.IS IT BOTH, BOTH SIDES OR JUST ONE? UH, IT'S ON THE LEFT SIDE, BUT YOU CAN ADD IT TO THE RIGHT SIDE TOO.
SO PAIRED WINDOWS IN THE FRONT, 50% ON BOTH THE LEFT AND RIGHT ELEVATION.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, MR. TAYLOR? THAT WOULD BE FINE.
UM, RHONDA, DR. DUNN SAID, UM, THE PAIR OF WINDOWS ON BOTH THE FRONT, ON THE FRONT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ELEVATION, RIGHT? BOTH SIDE ELEVATIONS WITHIN THE FRONT.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THIS MOTION? I'LL SECOND IT.
I WAS TOLD BY THE ATTORNEY THAT I DON'T HAVE TO VOTE FOR.
COMMISSIONER REEVES A SECONDED IT WITH A CAVEAT.
I, MY, MY THOUGHT IS THAT THE LAUNDRY LIST HAS GROWN AND THE CONDITIONS TO BE CORRECTED ARE JUST A, A VAGUE ENOUGH TO NOT MAKE SURE WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO BE SATISFIED WITH THE, UM, THE DI THESE, UH, DIMENSIONAL ISSUES AND DESIGN ISSUES BEING CARRIED OUT.
I THINK, UH, I THINK GIVEN 1, 2, 3, OR FOUR OF THESE, BUT WHEN WE START GETTING A LAUNDRY LIST THAT GET, THAT TAKES THIS MUCH, I THINK IT'S BEST TO PAUSE AND WORK WITH STAFF AND GET THE, GET IT, GET IT RIGHT AND NOT JUST HOPE THAT IT GETS RIGHT, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE DON'T, IT'S MY UNDER, WE'RE JUST GIVEN ELEVATIONS AND WE'RE NOT GIVEN SOME DETAILS.
WELL, MY, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WITH THOSE CONDITIONS FOR THE APPROVAL, THE DRAWINGS COME BACK, THE GO-TO STAFF, STAFF REVIEWS THEM AND, AND WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE HOME.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TRIM BOARD THAT WE CAN CLEARLY PUT A DIMENSION ON.
WELL, MY THOUGHT IS THAT, UH, IT SAYS ALREADY STAFF APPROVAL ON CONDITIONS, BUT WE ALREADY FOUND FIVE MORE CONDITIONS.
SO I'M, I'M JUST, I'M SAYING I THINK IT'S A, JUST AN ENOUGH.
I DON'T SEE THERE'S AN ISSUE TO PAUSE AND JUST MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT, BUT THAT'S FINE.
LET'S SEE WHAT OTHERS MAY FALL ON THIS SIDE.
WE, WE HAVE HAD THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE, HOW MANY CONDITIONS DESCRIBED VERBALLY CAN WE DO AND STILL KNOW WHAT WILL BE GETTING BUILT? THERE'S A POINT AT WHICH THERE'S SO MANY CHANGES AND SOME OF THEM ARE A LITTLE BIT AMORPHOUS AND A DRAWING WOULD TELL US EVERYTHING, BUT WORDS CAN'T DESCRIBE THEM.
AND SO THAT SOMETIMES WE WANNA SEE A NEW DRAWING.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE ISSUE WE'RE ASKING.
IS THIS FALLEN INTO THE ONES WHERE WE REALLY NEED TO SEE A DRAWING COME BACK WITH ALL THE CHANGES SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THEY TURNED OUT OKAY AND DIDN'T HAVE A FURTHER PROBLEM CAUSED, LIKE BY ADDING ANOTHER WINDOW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? OR DO WE THINK THAT THESE CONDITIONS ARE ADEQUATE TO END UP WITH A PRODUCT THAT SATISFIES THE NEEDS OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? SO OPINIONS COMMISSIONER HARPER? YEAH, I JUST, I I ALSO AM STRUGGLING WITH HOW MANY CHANGES WE ALLOW VERBALLY BECAUSE THERE IS A, CAN BE A DOMINO EFFECT.
A LOT OF THESE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGE IN THE, THE SIZE AND THE LOCATIONS AND SCALE AND DETAILS OF THE DORMER, WHICH IS, COULD BE FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE YET.
BUT WHAT I WANTED TO ADD, I THOUGHT COMMISSIONER, UM, ANDERSON, SORRY, I BLANKED OUT.
UH, HE MADE A, A GOOD POINT EARLIER TODAY THAT I HADN'T REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT WAS THAT WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF APPROVING SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT THE TASK FORCE HAS NOT BEEN AFFORDED TO SEE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A A, AN ORDINANCE AND A PROCEDURE.
SO WHEN WE ALLOW SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT DIDN'T GO THROUGH TASK FORCE, UH, I JUST THINK WE ALL SHOULD BE MINDFUL OF THAT, OF OUR CITY PROCESS.
AND THAT MAY BE SOMETIMES WHEN CHANGES ARE FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT, THEY SHOULD RUN BACK THROUGH THE ENTIRE SET OF STAKEHOLDERS JUST IN CASE, BECAUSE AGAIN, THE TASK FORCE IS MADE UP OF NEIGHBORS THAT KNOW THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, AS WELL AS ANYBODY.
AND, AND WE WOULD HATE TO APPROVE SOMETHING SOMEWHAT ARBITRARILY AND, AND LEAVE THEM OUT THE PROCESS.
AND, UM, MR. MCGEE, TECHNICALLY WE ARE NOW PAST THE POINT WHEN ANYBODY BUT TALK YOU'RE NOT HAPPY.
I CAN READ THAT FROM YOUR FACE.
SO EVEN IF YOU'RE USUALLY QUIET, I'D LIKE YOU TO SPEAK UP IF YOU HAVE INPUT ON WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS MR.
SO, I, I THINK WE'RE REALLY, REALLY CLOSE.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE FORM LOOKS GREAT.
I THINK IT'S JUST THESE SMALLER LITTLE DESIGN DETAILS AND, YOU
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KNOW, I'M COMFORTABLE THAT IF STAFF IS COMFORTABLE REVIEWING AND APPROVING THOSE, THAT I, I, I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THIS COULD MOVE FORWARD.I THINK THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE LAST CASE THAT WE HAD WHERE THERE WERE SOME LARGER STRUCTURAL DESIGN ISSUES THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED WITH THE SIZE AND THE SCALE AND THE REFORM AND THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, THAT'S NOT HERE.
I THINK THIS IS MUCH, MUCH, MUCH MORE CLOSE TO THE FINISH LINE.
UM, AND I'M, I'M, I'M OKAY IF THE STAFF IS CONFIDENT THAT THEY CAN HANDLE REVIEWING ALL THOSE ITEMS AND GETTING THOSE CORRECT, THAT, THAT FORWARD.
ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE AT HOME? COMMISSIONER? I'M OF THE SAME, YES, I'M OF THE SAME OPINION.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, STAFF HAS, UH, APPROVED IT WITH CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED AS WELL AS A FEW OTHERS.
SO I THINK THE STAFF CAN HANDLE THAT.
ANYONE ELSE? I CAN'T SEE THE PEOPLE AT HOME, SO YOU JUST HAVE TO SAY THEY WANNA TALK.
I, I WOULD SAY THAT THE, OF THE LONG LIST OF CHANGES, A LOT OF THEM ARE EASILY DESCRIBED WITH WORDS AND WE DO IT ALL THE TIME.
THE ONE ABOUT THE DORMER CHANGING ITS PROPORTION AND LOCATION THAT IS A LITTLE BIT HARD TO DESCRIBE UNLESS YOU CAN SAY, MOVE IT UP BY 10% OR, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT 18% LARGER OR WHATEVER YOU CAN DO TO HELP SAY SO.
THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY ONE THAT REALLY CONCERNS ME THOUGH, WHEN THEY DO GET TO BE TOO MANY, I REALIZE, ESPECIALLY THERE'S ALSO THAT DOMINO EFFECT.
IF YOU CHANGE THREE THINGS OUT, A BUILDING, WHICH IS A LOT OF DECISIONS MADE IN TURN, PERHAPS YOU CHANGE SOMETHING ELSE AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A NEW PROBLEM.
SO IF THERE ARE NO OTHER OPINIONS, I I HAVE ONE OTHER, WELL, OTHER OPINION OR SUGGESTION IS WHAT ABOUT JUST LEAVING THE DORMER OFF? I MEAN, IS THAT AN OPTION AS WELL? UM, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD DETRACT FROM THE DESIGN BY NOT HAVING THE DORMER.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NEEDED FOR ANY OTHER REASON, THEN IT'S JUST A ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE THAT'S ADDED TO IT.
SO YOU THINK IT'S A PROBLEM TO TAKE THE DORMER OFF OR, OKAY, SO, ALL RIGHT.
I THINK WE HAVE DIFFERENCES OF OPINION.
LET'S TAKE A VOTE AND SEE WHERE WE FALL ON, ON JUDGMENT ON THIS ONE.
SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
LET, LET, WHAT'S THE MOTION AGAIN? WHERE ARE WE? THE AMO THE MOTION IS TO, TO GO WITH APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS FOR ALL THESE CONDITIONS DOWN HERE AND THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDED AND THE ONES THAT WE ALREADY OKAY.
SO IT'S JUST GOT A LOT OF CONDITIONS.
SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY NO, NO, NO.
OBVIOUSLY IF WE'RE HAVING A ROLL CALL, VOTE
ELAINE, PLEASE DO THE ROLL CALL.
DISTRICT TWO COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY? UM, YES.
DISTRICT 13 COMMISSIONER FRA? YES.
ALRIGHT, SO THE MOTION HAS STILL CARRIED AND THEREFORE YOU, AFTER WORKING WITH STAFF, WILL BE ABLE TO GET YOUR CERTIFICATE AND APPROPRIATE MR. PROCEED.
ALRIGHT, I, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT WE HAVE BROUGHT UP A PROBLEM OF SOME CONCERN TODAY AND SOME OF OUR COMMISSIONERS ARE VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IT, AND ESPECIALLY I THINK SOME CONCERNS ABOUT IF STAFF WRITES DOWN APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS, IT SORT OF SKEWS THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE APPLICANT AND WE MUST WORRY ABOUT THAT.
SO I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE WILL ADDRESS IN A NON-PUBLIC MEETING.
SOMEHOW WE NEED TO PROMPT UPON OURSELVES AND BE SETTLING ON THIS WHETHER STAFF COULD MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS AND SEE WHAT WILL WORK BEST TO MAKE SURE WE DO NOT RUN INTO ANY PROBLEMS THAT NEGATIVELY AFFECT OUR APPLICANTS.
BUT YOU'RE GOOD TO GO, SO ENJOY, DO A GOOD JOB.
ALL RIGHT, SO NOW WE CAN MOVE ON TO IS SEVEN NEXT FOR 10? SEVEN? OKAY.
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WE'RE WE'RE JUST READING SEVEN IN.AND I, I DID WANNA ASK IS, IS THE APPLICANT AWARE THAT WE, A LONG TIME AGO, DID APPROVE A DESIGN FOR THAT LOT FOR A PREVIOUS OWNER? THEY DON'T LIKE THAT ONE BECAUSE THAT CAME BACK LIKE THREE TIMES BEFORE WE CAME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD REALLY LIKED.
SO WE, WE'VE ALREADY SEEN A NEW RENDITION, MARCUS THAT I HAVE AND THEY REDID IT AND TASKFORCE SAW YET ANOTHER ONE.
BUT THEY HAVE DECIDED TO PUT THE LOT BACK ON THE MARKET.
UH, THEY'RE JUST NOT GETTING THE APPROVALS THEY WANT FROM VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS.
YEAH, THERE WAS A LOT OF, LOT OF CONTENTION.
OKAY, SO WE'LL WAIT AND SEE IF ANYBODY EVER COMES BACK WITH SOMETHING ON THAT LOT.
SO IT WILL REMAIN EMPTY FOR A WHILE.
IT'S BEEN SUCH MANY TIMES FOR WEEDS OVER THESE YEARS.
CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
ITEM NUMBER 7 44 22 SWISS AVENUE, COA 26 0 0 0 2 11 REQUEST A COURTESY REVIEW OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURE.
THREE TOWNHOUSES ON A VACANT CORNER LOT WITH ATTACHED GARAGE STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION, COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION REQUIRED THAT THE REQUEST CONSTRUCT A NEW MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURE OF THREE TOWNHOUSES ON A VACANT CORNER.
LOT WITH ATTACHED GARAGE BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATION, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE NOT ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK PERMISSION REVIEW.
QUICK QUESTION FOR THE ATTORNEY.
DO WE HAVE TO, IF THIS IS A COURTESY, WHAT DO WE DO NOW? NO.
IF THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW THAT THEY'RE NOT EVEN GONNA HEAR TODAY BECAUSE THE APPLICANT'S PULLED OUT, DO WE NEED TO GO ON WITH TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS AND ALL THAT? I THINK THIS IS A DISCRETION OF NO, WE DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING ELSE.
THEY PULLED THE APPLICATION, WITHDREW IT COMPLETELY.
YES, THEY ARE GOING TO SELL THE LOT.
CHAIRMAN MONTGOMERY, YOU MIGHT MAKE A CLA CLARIFYING STATEMENT THAT SINCE THE APPLICANT HAS PULLED THEIR, THEIR APPLICATION THAT UH, SEEING THAT THERE'S NO FURTHER REASON YES, THERE, THERE IS NOTHING TO REVIEW AS THE APPLICANT HAS PULLED THAT APPLICATION AND INDICATED THEIR POSSIBILITY OF SELLING THE LOT TO SOMEBODY ELSE
RHONDA DUNN SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE FILE NUMBER IS 26 DASH 1 8 5 9 A.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1815 NORTH MARKET STREET IN COUNCIL DISTRICT 14.
IT'S IN THE WEST END HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, THE CO COA NUMBER IS COA DASH 26 DASH 1 93.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO COVER EXISTING MASONRY COPING ON MAIN BUILDING WITH METAL COPING AT TOP OF PARAPET COLOR TO MATCH THAT OF EXISTING MASONRY COPING.
RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO COVER EXISTING MASONRY COPING ON MAIN BUILDING WITH METAL COPING AT TOP OF PARAPET COLOR TO MATCH THAT OF EXISTING MASONRY COPING BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE PROPOSED WORK WOULD INTRODUCE A NON HISTORIC METAL MATERIAL ONTO A CHARACTER DEFINING PARAPET CONDITION, RESULTING IN AN ALTERATION THAT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE REQUIRED FACADE APPEARANCE AND HISTORIC MATERIAL CHARACTER OF CONTRIBUTING WAREHOUSE ERROR BUILDINGS.
THE WORK WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE STRUCTURE AND IS THEREFORE INAPPROPRIATE.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 5.2 PERTAINING TO FACADE MATERIALS AND SECTION 5.7 PERTAINING TO FACADE APPEARANCE.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO COVER EXISTING MASONRY COPING ON MAIN BUILDING WITH METAL COPING AND TOPIC THE ONLY TO MATCH THAT OF EXISTING MASONRY COPING BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE APPLICANT HAS NOT PROVIDED ENOUGH INFORMATION.
AND WE HAVE NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS RIGHT FOR THIS ONE ONTO THE END.
UM, AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT THAT YOU HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK TO US AT A DIFFERENT TIME, RIGHT.
WITH MORE, UM, DEVELOPED IDEAS.
SO WE DO STILL NEED TO HAVE A MOTION, RIGHT? I'LL MAKE A MOTION, YEAH.
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A MOTION TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE THE PROPOSED WORK AHEAD OF US ON THE CASE OF 26 18 59.A ADDRESS 1815 NORTH MARKET STREET, I BELIEVE INTRODUCING THIS, UH, METAL COPING, UH, IS, WOULD MAKE AN ADVERSE EFFECT AND SHOULD BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
SECOND, UH, SECOND IS COMMISSIONER REYES.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
AND STAFF WILL BE IN CONTACT WITH YOU.
UH, NUMBER 11, CHRISTINA FRED ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
UH, DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 11, EXCUSE ME.
7 22 NORTH BEACON STREET, COA 26 0 0 0 180.
REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE EXISTING FENCE AND INSTALL A NEW SIX FOOT TALL WOOD BOARD ON BOARD FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST TO REPLACE THE EXISTING FENCE AND INSTALL A NEW SIX FOOT TALL WOOD BOARD ON BOARD FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD VIEWED DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT FENCES AND FRONT YARDS ARE PROHIBITED IN JUNIOR'S HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WOULD THEREFORE HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE DISTRICT.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS THEREFORE NOT CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 3.6 A ONE, THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4.001 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTINGS.
NEIGHBORHOOD INDUSTRY TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST TO REPLACE THE LISTING FENCE AND INSTALL A NEW FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE PER SECTION 3.6 A TWO.
AND JUST TO NOTE, APPLICANT HAS WITHDRAWN THIS APPLICATION THIS MORNING.
I EVEN ON THESE AND I SHOULD HAVE SAID SOMETHING ON ITEM 10, UM, UH, THAT I WASN'T ASKING THAT, BUT ON, ON THESE WHERE YOU HAVE TO DO AN, UH, A MOTION ANYWAY, BUT YOU'RE GONNA DENY THAT PREJUDICE IF YOU WOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND SAY, UM, UH, ACCORDING TO STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE WE'VE TRIED TO PUT IN ALL THE LEGALESE
UH, IF, IF THESE PEOPLE ALREADY HAVE A FENCE THERE, COULDN'T THEY JUST REPAIR IT PIECE BY PIECE? ANNOYING? THEY COULD, BUT, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
WELL, IF YOU JUST HAVE A FEW PICKETS TO CHANGE, PERHAPS YOU CAN JUST REPAIR THOSE.
IT'S LEANING AND THE POSTS ARE COMING OUT.
BUT IF WE'RE GONNA DENY IT, THEY COULD ACTUALLY DO IT PIECE BY PIECE.
THEY COULD, BUT THEN WE'LL SEE IT ONCE THE POST COMES OUT.
IF IT'S MORE THAN ONE POST, THEN IT'S REMOVING THE FENCE.
IF IT'S A PICKET, THAT'S DIFFERENT.
IT'S A REALLY EASY ONE TO DO SOMEONE WHO NEVER I MOVED THAT WE FOLLOW STEP RECOMMENDATION AND DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
ANY SECOND? THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
PLEASE NOTIFY THE APPLICANT FOR WHICH ONE? COMMISSIONER REEVES.
DOES SHE HAVE TO DO THAT? OH YEAH.
I GET, SHE HAS TO DO, UM, ITEM NUMBER 11 4 7.
YEAH, SHE HAS TO SEE THE ADDRESS.
YOU HAVE TO READ IN THAT PART IS ITEM NUMBER 11 AND THE ADDRESS AT LEAST CORRECT? AND THE CLA NUMBER OH FOR THE TRANSCRIPT SO SHE CAN GO BACK AND LISTEN? YES, YOU'RE MUTED.
NUMBER, NUMBER WHICH 11? UH, UH, REGARDING 26 DASH 18.
UH, 1 8 6 0 A 7 22 NORTH BEACON STREET.
I MOVE THAT WE IS THAT ENOUGH? YES.
IS THAT FINISH IT? YEAH, BUT WE ALREADY VOTED SO WE CAN GO ON TO 12 NOW.
CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF, ITEM NUMBER 12 56 0 5 W STREET CO.
8 26 0 0 0 1 6 1 REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE FRONT DOOR STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST TO REPLACE A FRONT
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DOOR BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE EXISTING DOOR IS APPROPRIATE, IF NOT ORIGINAL, AND DOES NOT SHOW ADEQUATE EVIDENCE OF DETERIORATION TO WARRANT REPLACEMENT.THE PURPOSE THE PROPOSED WORK WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND IS THEREFORE NOT CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 5.1, PERTAINING TO DOORS AND WINDOWS, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST TO REPLACE THE FRONT DOOR BE BEN DENIED WITHOUT BUDGETS.
MR. AND ANDERSON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DON'T.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY THERE TO SPEAK? I HAVE A MOTION IF READY.
THERE'S NOBODY ELSE TO SPEAK ON ANYTHING.
CASE CHOOSE 2 6 1 8 6 1 A 56 0 5 WORTH STREET.
I RECOMMEND FOLLOWING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
OH, DID I
I FOLLOWING THE STAFF RE DENIAL FOLLOWING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
OKAY, SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION TO DENY WITHOUT PRE PREJUDICE, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY, ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, THEN THAT MOTION HAS CARRIED.
CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF, ITEM NUMBER 13 47 24 JUNIOR STREET, COA 26 0 0 0 1 4 3.
REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A NEW THREE AND A HALF FOOT WHITE WOOD PICKET FENCE IN FRONT YARD.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST TO INSTALL A NEW THREE AND A HALF FOOT WHITE WOOD PICKET FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE TOP OF THE FENCE BE HORIZONTAL OR PARALLEL TO GRADE AND AT LEAST 50% OPEN.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION TWO POINT 10 AND ADDENDUM B, MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST TO INSTALL A NEW THREE AND A HALF FOOT WHITEWOOD PICKET FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THERE IS NO SCALLOPING OF THE PICKETS AS THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES A FLAT HORIZONTAL SURFACE AND THAT THE FENCE IS 70% OPEN AS REQUIRED BY THE ORDINANCE.
ALRIGHT, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? AND IF NOT, DOES ANYONE HAVE A MOTION? GOT A MOTION.
THIS IS, UH, NUMBER 13, RIGHT? OKAY.
ON THE CASE OF 26 DASH 1 8 7 8 A ADDRESS 4 7 2 4 JUNIOR STREET, I MAY MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS THAT THE TOP OF THE DEFENSE BE HORIZONTAL AND PARALLEL TO THE GRADE AND AT LEAST 50% OPEN, SUCH AS STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
WHAT IS THE ORDINANCE? IS IT 50 OR 70% OPEN? UH, IT'S 50 FOR THE FRONT.
IT'S 70 FOR THE OTHER PORTION.
SO, UH, TASK FORCE WASN'T SURE, SO THEY JUST BASED ON WHAT THEY REMEMBERED, BUT, UH, I CHECKED AND MARCUS AND I BOTH LOOKED AT IT AND IT'S 50.
SO 50 IS FINE FOR THE ORDINANCE? YES.
AND IT WAS COMMISSIONER REEVES WHO GAVE THE SECOND TIME BACK.
IF THERE'S NOT ANY DISCUSSION OR IF THERE, THERE IS THERE, THERE'S NO DISCUSSION.
CAN WE MOVE ON TO THE VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? YES.
STAFF WILL CONTACT THE APPLICANT.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
FILE NUMBER 26 DASH 180 8 2 A.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT TWO 20 SOUTH CLIFF STREET IN COUNCIL DISTRICT FOUR AND THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT, COA NUMBER COA DASH 26 DASH 1 8 7.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT CORNER.
LOT ONE AND HALF STORIES HIGH STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
THAT IS THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT CORNER.
LOT ONE AND A HALF STORIES HIGH BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 4 27 20 26 WITH THE FOLLOWING
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CONDITIONS THAT WINDOWS BE ALL ALUMINUM.IN OTHER WORDS, NO CLADDING WITH LIGHT CONFIGURATION ONE OVER ONE.
THAT LENGTH OF LOUVER VENT ON FRONT DOMER BE INCREASED.
THAT SIZE OF FRONT DOER BE INCREASED IN WIDTH AND DEPTH.
EXTEND FORWARD TO MAIN ROOF EDGE OR EXTENDED FORWARD TO MAIN ROOF EDGE.
THAT WINDOW AND DOOR HEADERS BE TOP OF LINE ON ALL ELEVATIONS THAT MILLIONS.
IN OTHER WORDS, TRIM PIECES OF FOUR TO SIX INCHES AND WIDTH BE ADDED BETWEEN PAIRED WINDOWS.
THAT FOUNDATION BE A MINIMUM OF 15 INCHES ABOVE GRADE AND BE EITHER PEER AND BEAM OF CONCRETE POST AND BEAM AND THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE BRUSHED.
CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION C, PERTAINING TO SITE AND SITE ELEMENTS AND SECTION B UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN NET TWO FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
ONLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS.
ONE CORRECT FOUNDATION DRAWINGS.
WALL SECTION SHOWS SLAB ON GRAY AND TWO CHECK BACKDOOR HEIGHT.
AND COMMISSIONERS? ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION OR MOTION? THE WINDOW AND DOOR CASINGS LOOK KIND OF KINDA SKIMPY.
AND ALSO MORE WINDOWS ON THE RIGHT ELEVATION WOULD BE BETTER TOWARD THE FRONT.
YES, PLEASE MOVE OVER TO THE ATTENDEES.
MS. ALFARO, WE NEED TO SEE YOU ON SCREEN.
CAN YOU HEAR US, MR. ALFARO? YES.
HOW ARE YOU? GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY.
YEAH, YOU NEED TO START THE VIDEO.
IT'S A STATE LAW THAT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE YOU AS YOU'RE SPEAKING IN THIS PUBLIC MEETING.
OH MY GOD, IT IS TELLING ME NO CAMERA FOUND.
MAKE SURE YOUR CAMERA DEVICE IS CONNECTED AND ENABLED.
IT'S ATTACHED TO THE P IT'S, I'M USING A MACBOOK.
IT, IT'S GOT A CAMERA AND IT'S TELLING ME THAT THERE'S NO CAMERA FOUND.
UH, WE'VE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF ISSUES LIKE THAT, THAT TODAY, BUT WE HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT HOW TO HELP YOU ANY OF ALREADY.
I'M NOT SURE WHY IT WOULD BE SAYING SUCH A THING.
UH, I KEEP, I KEEP CLICKING START VIDEO AND IT SAYS MAKE SURE YOUR CAMERA DEVICE, NO CAMERA FOUND BY YOUR PHONE.
DO YOU HAVE A PHONE? I'M SORRY.
COULD YOU TRY ON YOUR PHONE? OH, CERTAINLY CAN DO THAT.
ALL RIGHT, I'M LOGGING IN NOW, NOW ASKING ME TO LOG TO DOWNLOAD THE WEBEX, EXCEPT DOESN'T TAKE TOO LONG.
I, I DIDN'T, I COULDN'T SEE ANY OF THIS STUFF EARLIER, SO I WASN'T SURE THAT, I DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS GONNA HAPPEN.
YEAH, WE KNOW SOMETIMES PEOPLE HAVE TROUBLE WITH WEBEX.
WE ALSO HAVE TWO COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE NOT CURRENTLY ON CAMERA.
UH, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING.
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GMAIL COM, ALL LOGGING IN NOW ON WEBINAR.SOMEONE ELSE HERE WITH A MACBOOK IS SAYING CHECK IN YOUR UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER.
WHERE ON THE SEARCH BAR FOR POSSIBLE PERMISSION SETTINGS.
HAVE YOUR PLANS CHANGED SINCE THE ONES YOU SUBMITTED? THEY HAVE NOT, UNFORTUNATELY.
MY ARCHITECT HAS BEEN OUT OF THE COUNTRY FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.
UH, THE, THE ITEMS THAT Y'ALL HAVE REQUESTED HAVE NOT BEEN CHANGED AS OF YET, BUT THEY WILL BE TOMORROW.
UM, SO WE, THE CHANGES THAT WERE REQUESTED, UM, LIKE THE, UH, I I'M GUESSING IT'S ON THE SLAB ON GRADE SITUATION THAT THEY, UH, MENTIONED EARLIER.
IT, IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT A SLAB ON GRADE.
THE RIGHT, THE, THE, UH, THE, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLANS, IT'S A PURE AND BEAM FOUNDATION PLAN.
I'M NOT SURE WHY IT SAYS SLAB ON GRADE, BUT WE WILL CERTAINLY FIX THAT AND CHANGE IT TO THE CORRECT.
UM, THE, THE DOOR IN THE BACK, HE WILL DEFINITELY WILL GET, GET IT ALIGNED.
WE ACTUALLY CANNOT TAKE ANY REAL TESTIMONY FROM THIS, FROM YOUR RESERVE BECAUSE WE CAN'T SEE YOU.
IT'S A SILLY LAW, BUT IT'S THE STATE LAW.
CAN YOU, SO DID YOU BRING IT UP ON YOUR PHONE? 'CAUSE IT SAYS WE'RE SHOWING YOU TWICE NOW.
MAYBE YOUR PHONE WOULD SHOW US.
TRY TO GET IT TO SHOW IT TO, YEAH, LET'S GET OUT THIS SCREEN.
IF YOU'RE SEEING HIM THEN I'M HAPPY.
ALRIGHT, SIR, WHAT WE NEED YOU TO DO AT THE BEGINNING IS STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU'RE GONNA TELL THE TRUTH.
YOU SEE HIM IN THE BOTTOM? OKAY.
SO NAME, ADDRESS, AND PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
AND YOU MAY NEED TO SPEAK UP SO THAT WE CAN HEAR YOU CLEARLY.
UM, SO TELL US WHAT YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES NOW TO GIVE US FURTHER INFORMATION THAT WILL HELP US CONSIDER YOUR PROJECT.
YEAH, SO WHAT I WAS SAYING A MINUTE AGO IS THAT THEY WERE, THEY HAD REQUESTED A FEW CHANGES TO THE PLANTS.
UNFORTUNATELY, MY ARCHITECT BEEN, YEAH, I THINK YOU HAVE TWO MICROPHONES ON AND THAT'S MAKING YOU SOUND LIKE A CARTOON.
SO TURN THE OTHER MICROPHONE OFF.
OH, I THOUGHT I ALREADY MUTED THAT.
OKAY, NOW THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD.
I WAS SAYING THAT THERE WAS A FEW CHANGES REQUESTED THE LAST TIME.
UNFORTUNATELY, MY ARCHITECT HAS BEEN OUTTA THE COUNTRY FOR THE LAST THREE WEEKS.
HE WILL ARRIVE TONIGHT, SO THE CHANGES WILL BE MADE TOMORROW.
I HAVE ALREADY IN, IN CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM, UH, THE, THE CHANGES ABOUT THE DOOR IN THE BACK, UM, WE WILL ALIGN THE DOOR WITH THE WINDOWS.
CERTAINLY THE, THE PRO THE ISSUE WITH THE, UH, TEXT ON THE, UH, SLAB ON GRADE WHERE THAT IT SAYS ON THE FOUNDATION PLAN CERTAINLY IS NOT A SLAB ON GRADE.
IF YOU CAN SEE IT, THE PLANS, IT IS APPEAR AND BEAM FOUNDATION PLAN.
UH, AND WE WILL DEFINITELY GET THOSE CHANGED.
AS COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE FURTHER CONCERNS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO QUESTION OUR APPLICANT ABOUT? I THOUGHT I WOULD JUST CLARIFY REAL QUICK FOR EVERYONE.
I WAS LOOKING AT ALL THE CONDITIONS AND KEEP IN MY, OTHER THAN THE LOW LOUVER VENT AND THE DORMER, ALL THE OTHERS ARE PRETTY STANDARD THAT, THAT WE PUT IN MOST OF OUR CONDITIONS THAT ARE LIKE CONCRETE MUST BE BRUSHED FINISHED.
COMMISSIONERS, I, I JUST, THIS MAY BE ADDRESSED IN SOME OF THE DRAWINGS COMING UP, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IN, IN THE PLAN, THE DORMER IS WIDER THAN WHAT'S ON THE ELEVATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL HAVE NOTICED THAT AS WELL.
IT SEEMS LIKE THE DORMERS IS, IS MUCH NARROWER THAN IT IS ACTUALLY ON THE, THE PLAN, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S BASICALLY NO WIDER THAN THE DOOR.
AND THEN, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK ON THE PLAN, IT IS PROBABLY TWICE AS WIDE AS THAT.
YOUR MY POINT'S NOT ON, THEREFORE IT'S NOT.
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OH, I SEE.SO WHICH ONE IS RIGHT SIR? THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT IS THE ONE ON THE, UH, ON THE, WHERE IT SAYS FRONT ELEVATION ON THE, UH, ELEVATION PLANS BECAUSE, UH, I'M NOT SURE WHY WE STILL HAVE THAT OTHER ONE ON THERE.
THAT'S THE, THE, THE, WHERE IT LOOKS VIGO IS ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
THEY, THEY REQUESTED FOR US TO CHANGE IT A COUPLE OF TIMES ALREADY BEFORE.
THE, THE, THE RIGHT ONE IS THE ONE THAT, THAT'S RUN ELEVATION.
THAT IS ON THE ELEVATION PLANS.
THE, THE NOTES SAY TO INCREASE THE WIDTH AND THE DEPTH OF THE FRONT DORMER MM-HMM
SO WHAT'S IT GONNA BE? WHAT, WHAT IS THE INCREASE? WHAT'S THE DIMENSIONS AND, AND ALSO THE WINDOW OR THE, OR THE, OR THE VENT ITSELF.
SO WHAT'S THE VENT DIMENSION GONNA BE AND IS THE DORMER ACTUALLY GETTING BIGGER? IT'S A WINDOW, NOT A VENT.
SO THE WINDOW, SO WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THAT GONNA BE PROPOSED? THE WINDOW IS A ONE BY TWO IS WHAT WAS REQUESTED.
I, IF I DON'T RECALL WRONG THAT ACTUALLY, BECAUSE IT'S COME BACK TO US BEFORE ON SOME OTHERS.
BY THE TIME THEY GOT TO PERMITTING, IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY GONNA USE THAT AS A USABLE ROOM, THERE NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST FIVE FEET FOR EGRESS, FIVE SQUARE FEET IF THEY'RE PUTTING A WINDOW THERE.
UH, O THE OVERALL DIMENSION IS SO YOU CAN GET A BODY OUT OF IT TO GET, GET OUTTA IT IF THERE'S A FIRE.
SO WHAT IS THE VERTICAL DIMENSION? IN THE HORIZONTAL DIMENSION? I'M TRYING TO THINK.
THEY'VE BEEN SAYING TWO BY THREE I THINK IN PERMITTING.
AND PERMITTING HAS BEEN REQUIRING A CASEMENT WINDOW, NOT THE USUAL ONE THAT WE'VE BEEN REQUIRING.
SO TWO FOOT VERTICAL, THREE FOOT HORIZONTAL MM-HMM
WHAT IS THAT, SIX FEET, I MEAN SIX PER FEET, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND WOULD THAT BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A HORIZONTAL SHAPE OR A, OR IF THESE COTTAGES SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE MORE THE OTHER WAY, IT WOULD BE THREE FOOT HIGH.
IF IT'S A LURED VENT, THEN IT WOULD BE THE, THE HORIZONTAL, THE, LIKE A PAGE LIKE THIS PORTRAIT.
BUT THERE ARE SOME IN 10TH STREET MM-HMM
THAT HAVE MULTIPLE LITTLE WINDOWS AND THEY'RE LANDSCAPE AND THEN THERE ARE LANDSCAPE SIZE.
AND I'VE SEEN SOMETIMES WHEN THEY, YOU'RE LOOKING AT COTTAGES ON MULTIPLE LIGHTS AND STUFF, I'VE SEEN 'EM ALSO THE OTHER WAY I'VE SEEN 'EM TALL.
AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? MADAM CHAIR? YEAH, I JUST, MR. HARPER, I GUESS I'M JUST CONFUSED BASED ON SOME OF THE, THE COMMENTS BECAUSE THE, THE APPLICANT SAID THE, THE ELEVATION'S CORRECT, BUT THAT DOES NOT MATCH THE ROOF PLAN OR THE FLOOR PLANS.
AND IF WE'RE SAYING WE NEED A, A WIDER WINDOW, THAT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE ROOF PLAN AND THE FLOOR PLANS, BUT NOT THE ELEVATION THAT WE'RE HEARING IS CORRECT.
SO I THINK THERE'S CONFUSION ON WHICH DOCUMENT WE'RE ACTUALLY REVIEWING.
I'M, I'VE RE I, I HAVE SENT THIS TO, THEY HAVE REQUESTED TO, TO, UH, TO MODIFY THAT DORMER SO MANY TIMES I, I'M, I COULD, I COULD HAVE THE WRONG ELEVATION, UH, PLAN IN THERE.
'CAUSE IT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE REQUESTS THAT CAME FROM, FROM DAY ONE THAT TO MAKE THAT DORMER SMALLER 'CAUSE IT WAS SO BIG.
WHAT ARE, WHAT DO Y'ALL RECOMMEND THAT IT BE? I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS ANY RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, THAT GIVEN THE CONFUSION THAT WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE WHAT SIZE IT IS NOW, SO TO SAY WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE DORM OR, AND THE SIZE OF THE WINDOW.
WELL, RIGHT NOW, BASED ON THE, ON THE SIZE OF THE WINDOW, THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS MADE LAST TIME TO HAVE A ONE BY TWO WINDOW, TO ME THAT'S ABOUT, ABOUT, UH, THREE BY, UH, BY FOUR ABOUT 12 SQUARE FEET IS, IS WHAT IT SEEMS TO BE RIGHT NOW.
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OKAY.I CAN'T TELL, I MEAN, WITHOUT THE DIMENSIONS ON IT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THE CURRENT WINDOW IS THREE BY FOUR? NO, NO, NO.
THE SIZE OF THE DORMER IS AROUND THREE BY FOUR.
THE WINDOW IS THE ONE, THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS REQUESTED BE BEFORE THE LAST TIME WAS THAT I, I, I SHOULD HAVE A ONE BY TWO WINDOW ON THERE.
NO, AND BASED ON THAT, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT SINCE THE CHANGES WERE MADE, THAT DORM ROOM IS ABOUT 12, ABOUT THREE BY FOUR.
THREE THREE WIDE AND FOUR TALL.
NO, THE WINDOW NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST SIX SQUARE FEET.
NO, THERE'S, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT AT ALL.
SO I THINK THAT THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE STREET ELEVATIONS MM-HMM
YOU, I THINK THAT IS ACTUALLY THE ONE WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT.
'CAUSE THAT HAS THE DORMER THAT MATCHES THE ROOF PLAN, WHICH IS ACTUALLY HIP INSTEAD OF GABLE, WHICH YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN PULL THAT UP, RHONDA.
I WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE CASE REPORT OF ONE.
I HAVE A QUESTION WHILE WE'RE LOOKING THAT UP, JUST REAL QUICK FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, DO YOU HAVE A DIMENSION STRING ON THE, ON THE RAILING FRONT PORCH RAILING AND THE COLUMN AS WELL? JUST DIMENSIONS FOR THOSE TWO? I THE COLUMNS ARE SIX, THE COLUMNS ARE BOTH ARE GONNA BE 16 BY 16.
THE, THE BRICK COLUMNS MM-HMM
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? YEAH, WELL THAT, YES.
I WAS ACTUALLY THINKING ABOUT THE WOOD.
UH, WHAT, WHAT IT TAPERED TO AT THE TOP.
OH NO, THOSE ARE A LOT SMALLER.
WELL SMALLER THAN THE 16 BY 16.
NOT A LOT, BUT, OH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
OKAY, SO THOSE ARE THE, THE ONES SHOWING ON THERE ARE, ARE, UM, IT'S PROBABLY FINE.
I THINK THEY'RE, I THINK THEY'RE, THEY START AT 10 AT THE TOP AND 12 AT THE BOTTOM.
AND THE, AND YOUR DIMENSION FROM THE FINISHED FLOOR OF THE PORCH TO THE TOP OF THE HAND RAIL OR THE GUARD RAIL.
WHAT IS THAT? UH, THIS IS WHY IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE DIMENSIONS, STRINGS ON EVERYTHING.
SO FOR ONE, WE'RE ALL KNOWING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME DIMENSION AND THE SAME, SAME, SAME THING.
DUNNING'S BRINGING UP THE DRAWING THAT I WAS REFERENCING.
SO WE CAN ALL TALK ABOUT THE SAME DRAWING NOW.
ALRIGHT, LET'S GO TO THAT NOW, UH, THEN, AND WE CAN ANSWER THE TOP OF THE HAND.
I'M HAVING NETWORK ISSUES TODAY.
THIS IS A DIFFERENT DORMER, A WIDER DORMER.
AH, CAN YOU ZOOM INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT, LAUREN? IT'S MOVING ON ITS OWN NOW.
OH, SEE MY HANDS LOOK AT IT WHILE IT'S STILL THERE.
DO WE THINK THIS LOOKS MORE PROPORTIONATE? ALL RIGHT, MADAM CHAIR.
I THINK BASED ON THE FACT THAT YOU NEED A WINDOW THAT YOU
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CAN GET OUT OF, IF WE KEEP, THE OTHER ONE WON'T DO.SO THIS WINDOW HAS, THIS ONE HAS TO WORK.
SO IN ORDER TO MEET THE, UM, CODE FOR ABLE TO SAFELY ESCAPE, RIGHT? WE MIGHT NEED A WINDOW THIS BIG, IN WHICH CASE WE NEED A DORM OR LARGE ENOUGH TO BE PROPORTIONATE TO THE WINDOW, RIGHT? TO ACCOMMODATE THAT WINDOW.
WE HAVE A CONVERSATION GOING ON OVER HERE.
DOES EITHER ONE OF YOU SEE THIS AS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO? SORRY, SORRY.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE DOCUMENTS.
I KNOW, I, THAT'S, BUT IF, IF THE WINDOW HAS TO BE THE SIZE THAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD IN ORDER TO HAVE PROPER EGRESS, DOESN'T THAT MEAN THE DOOR WILL HAVE TO BE KIND OF BIG? HERE'S WHAT IT APPEARS.
IT APPEARS, AND I MAY HAVE MISSED THE CASE THE FIRST TIME AROUND, BUT THAT ELEVATION, THE DORM WAS QUITE LARGE.
SO I CAN UNDERSTAND IF THAT WAS COMMON BEFORE THAT WINDOW APPEARS TO BE AT LEAST FIVE TO SIX FOOT WIDE AND, AND FOUR FOOT ALL.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO BE AS BIG.
I THINK THE, THE GOLDILOCKS IS SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN THE TWO, BUT IT, IT WENT VERY SMALL TO LIKE A LITTLE BIRDHOUSE SITTING UP THERE MM-HMM
WHEREAS THE ORIGINAL WAS MAYBE TOO BIG.
SO I THINK THE ANSWER IN BETWEEN THE TWO SIZED AROUND TWO FOOT BY THREE FOOT WINDOW, YEAH.
PROBABLY WILL GET US IN THE RIGHT SPOT.
SO THAT IS THE SIZE WINDOW YOU ARE THINKING WOULD LOOK GOOD AND MEET THE EGRESS? I THINK SO, YES.
SO ARE THERE OTHER CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE TO ASK ABOUT OR IS ANYONE READY FOR A MOTION YET? LET ME
I'M TOO CONFUSED TO MAKE A MOTION.
THAT'S WHY I WANT SOMEONE ELSE TO DO IT.
SO
WELL, I'M JUST GONNA ASK STAFF.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE SOMEWHERE IN THIS BETWEEN, WOULD YOU BE LOOKING FROM US A DIRECTION ON PUTTING SOME DIMENSIONS TOGETHER OR WOULD, OR WOULD WE BE LOOKING AT DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THE EGRESS? SO THAT'S GIVEN, THAT'S GIVEN US A GIVEN DIMENSION, RIGHT? WE CAN WORK FROM THAT AND YOU CAN GUIDE THEM APPROPRIATELY IN THAT, IN THAT CASE, YES.
I DO HAVE CONCERNS WITH THE, THE OVERALL BIG ONE.
OF COURSE, IT WAS SITTING ON THE ROOF OF THE PORCH AND IT WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP.
SO GIVEN THAT WE'RE, HAVE, WE HAD THAT ISSUE ON BOTH THE TOP AND THAT AND THE BOTTOM, AND GIVEN THAT THAT DORMER WAS ONE THIRD BASICALLY OF THIS SIZE OF THE ROOF.
BUT IF YOU CAN JUST, IF YOU, YOU FEEL CONFIDENT, WE CAN CONTROL THAT GIVEN WE HAVE A TWO BY THREE WINDOW TO WORK WITH AND I, I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT TOO.
WERE THERE ANY OTHER CONDITIONS THAT WE WERE, SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION, BUT NO, I CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON THE OTHERS, LIKE THE MILLIONS BETWEEN THE WINDOWS, THE WINDOW TRIM, AT LEAST, YOU KNOW.
AND IS THIS CASE, UH, 26 18 82? IS THAT YES.
SO IN THE CASE OF 26 DASH 1 8 8 2 A, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, WITH THE STATE OF CONDITION, MENTION THE ADDRESS.
AND THE ADDRESS BEING 2 2 0 SOUTH CLIFF STREET MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE FOLLOWING REQUIREMENTS OF THE DORMER SIZE, UM, BEING, UM, SENSITIVE TO THE OVERALL, UM, WIDTH AND HEIGHT OF THE DORMER AND RELATIONSHIP TO THE GIVEN FACT THAT THE TWO BY THREE WAS NEEDED FOR THE EGRESS THAT THEY WORK WITH STAFF TO, TO, TO MAKE THAT WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? UH, SECOND.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER PREZI.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT THEN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT SIR, SO YOU HAVE YOUR APPROVAL WORKING WITH STAFF TO UPDATE THOSE ISSUES THAT WE HAD.
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LANDS FROM THEIR JOURNEY, YOU TELL 'EM TO GET RIGHT BACK TO WORK.THIS HAS BEEN A PROG A PROCESS AND I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S TIME.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW HAPPY I AM.
WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 19 FOR WHICH THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS, RIGHT? WELL I SAW HER ONLINE AS WELL.
UH, MS. MARTINEZ, ARE YOU STILL ONLINE? IT'S IRIS MARTINEZ.
DID SHE JUMP OFF? AND SHE'S THERE.
BUT YOU DO STILL NEED TO READ IT IN, RIGHT? YES.
I STILL NEED TO READ IT IN JUST MAKING SURE SHE'S HERE.
AND I'M ONLY STANDING 'CAUSE I NEED TO STAND UP THIS.
DO WE NEED A BREAK? NO, I JUST NEED TO STAND A SECOND.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY, CITY STAFF.
THE FILE NUMBER IS 26 DASH 1 8 8 4 A.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 35 0 3 MEYER STREET IN CONSUL DISTRICT SEVEN.
IT'S THE WHEATLEY PLACE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS NUMBER IS COA DASH 26 DASH 180 3.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR EXTERIOR REHABILITATION OF THE MAIN BUILDING TO INCLUDE WINDOW REPLACEMENT, TOTAL 20 AND ENCLOSURE AND EXTERIOR SIDING.
REPLACEMENT STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR EXTERIOR REHABILITATION OF MAIN BUILDING TO INCLUDE WINDOW REPLACEMENT TOTAL 20 AND ENCLOSURE, SHE WAS REQUESTING NINE, BUT I THINK WE'RE DOWN TO TWO.
AND EXTERIOR SIDING REPLACEMENT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 5 17 20 26 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT WINDOWS ON ORIGINAL STRUCTURE NOT BE ENCLOSED OR RESIZED THAT REPLACEMENT WINDOWS BE ALL ALUMINUM.
NO CLADDING WITH LIGHT CONFIGURATION OF ONE OH A ONE.
THAT REPLACEMENT SIDING BE ALL WOOD HORIZONTAL LAP SIDING, NOVELTY PATTERN 1 1 7 TO MATCH THE EXISTING AND THAT ONLY DETERIORATED.
IN OTHER WORDS, CRACKED OR BROKEN BOARDS BE REPLACED.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH RESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 4.3 UNDER FACADES AND SECTIONS 5.1 AND 5.3 UNDER WINDOWS INDOORS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, NO QUORUM COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE OF FOLLOWING COMMENTS.
ANY CLOSEUP PICTURES OF THE CONDITION FOR REPLACEMENT? TWO.
CONTACT PERMITTING ABOUT THE REAR ADDITION, GET AN INSPECTOR TO COME OUT.
THREE, BRING BACK WITH NEW COLORS FOR TRIM.
UM, IRIS MARTINEZ, I SEE THAT YOU ARE ONLINE.
WE DO NEED TO HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON SO THAT WE CAN SEE YOU.
MS. MARTINEZ, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? COMMISSIONER MARTIN.
MS. MARTINEZ, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? THERE'S CLEARLY A COMMUNICATION ISSUE GOING ON AGAIN WITH OUR SYSTEM SYSTEM.
ADRIAN, ARE YOU ABLE TO HELP WITH THIS THEN? NOT LIKE SHE WOULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT
WELL IT APPEARS THAT SHE CANNOT EVEN HEAR US.
ARE YOU ABLE TO TURN YOUR MICROPHONE AND CAMERA ON THEM?
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IT'S WEBEX, IT'S CURSED.IS SHE STILL TRYING? ADRIAN? WE CAN, YES.
UM, WHAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.
UH,
SO ANY COMMISSIONER, TELL US IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS THAT UM, WOULD IMPACT YOUR ABILITY TO APPROVE IT IF YOU WANTED TO.
I BELIEVE IN THE BRIEFING STAFF TOLD US THAT THE ONLY RESIZED WINDOW IS NOW THE ONE IN THE KITCHEN.
IS THAT ACCURATE? THIS ONE? NUMBER SEVEN.
SO NOTHING ELSE IS TO BE RESIZED AT THIS POINT AT THIS POINT, CORRECT.
AS YOUR LATEST INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT.
WHAT DO THEY WANNA DO WITH SEVEN? JUST TAKE IT OUT OR MAKE IT SMALLER.
AND IT HAS WINDOWS ON FAIRLY CLOSE TO EITHER SIDE? YEAH, IT'S A PAIR.
IT'S ON THE CORNER SIDE AND IT'S A PAIR.
AND THE REASON WHY SHE WANTS TO DO IT IS, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM WHAT I HAVE BEFORE, IT WAS HER KITCHEN OR IT WILL BE HER KITCHEN AND SHE WANTS TO PUT TOP LEVEL CABINETS THERE.
SO I ASK COMMISSIONERS TO LET WHAT IF THEY SEE THIS AS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OR NOT.
AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF NEWS ON RIGHT NOW, BUT WE DO NEED TO PAY ATTENTION WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
QUESTION FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER ZI.
HI, WHERE IS SHE FINALLY? THERE YOU ARE.
WE NEED YOU TO SAY YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
THE ADDRESS IS, UM, THE PROPERTY ADDRESS.
IS THAT YOUR ADDRESS? YEAH, YOUR ADDRESS.
1 21 FLATS DRIVE, DAWSON, TEXAS SEVEN FIVE.
OKAY, YOU'RE GONNA TELL US THE TRUTH, RIGHT? YES.
IS THERE SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH US ABOUT YOUR CURRENT REQUEST? I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU MAY HAVE CHANGED THE NUMBER OF WINDOWS YOU WANNA CHANGE, SO PLEASE LET US KNOW.
UM, IF POSSIBLE WE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, CANCELED THE WINDOWS IN THE KITCHEN AREA AND I'M NOT ABLE TO SEE, I I SAW THAT, UH, DR. DUNN HAD IT ON THE, ON THE SCREEN.
I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S ABLE TO, UM, TO SHOW US THAT AGAIN.
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OKAY, SO SEVEN, WHICH IS A PAIR SEVEN AND EIGHT.SO THAT'S THREE WINDOWS BECAUSE, BECAUSE SEVEN IS A PAIR AND THEN EIGHT IS A LITTLE FURTHER OVER.
SO THIS IS WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT.
SO ON THE CORTIC SIDE, SEVEN, WHICH IS A PAIR AND EIGHT, WHICH IS A SINGLE WINDOW, SHE WANTS TO ENCLOSE THOSE, COVER THOSE OVER WITH 1 1 7 SIDING BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE HER KITCHEN WILL BE.
COMMISSIONERS, WELL I HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF ON PICTURE NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS ON THE SCREEN THERE OVER ON THE, THE RIGHT SIDE.
IS THE BUILDING ACTUALLY ANGLED LIKE THAT OR IS THAT JUST THE WAY THE PHOTO WAS TAKEN? OH, THE BUILDING NEEDS REPAIR BUT NO, IT'S NOT LEANING LIKE THAT.
IT'S NOT LEANING LIKE THAT? NO, WE DIDN'T SEE LEANING.
OKAY, WELL I I GUESS THAT WAS LEADING TO MY NEXT QUESTION WAS IF IT IS LEANING LIKE THAT, THEN IT WOULD REQUIRE ANOTHER CA RIGHT.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WINDOWS? SHE WOULD LIKE TO COVER OVER WITH SIDING, WHICH APPEARS TO BE A PAIRED WINDOWS AND A SINGLE WINDOW MIRROR.
LEAVING WHAT LOOKS TO BE A SOMEWHAT WIDE SPAN OF WALL.
IF NOBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, THEN WE NEED SOME SORT OF MOTION.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE'S ANY, ANY LEEWAY MA'AM IN WHAT YOU WANT.
COULD WE JUST TAKE OUT THE PAIRED SEVENS OR JUST TAKE OUT NUMBER EIGHT AND LEAVE SOMETHING WE DON'T LIKE TO SEE A LACK OF WINDOWS ON THE SIDE TOWARDS THE FRONT AND SEVEN DOES APPEAR TO BE TOWARDS THE FRONT.
UM, WELL IF WE CAN, I WAS GONNA SAY IF WE CAN CLOSE SEVEN, WHICH IS THE, THE PAIR.
UM, AND THEN ON NUMBER EIGHT WE CAN LEAVE THE WINDOW AND JUST CLOSE IN THE INSIDE THAT DID YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE JUST GOING TO COVER IT UP INSIDE BUT LEAVE A WINDOW SHOWING OUTSIDE? YES, ON NUMBER EIGHT SAID EIGHT FOR EIGHT, SO, BUT SEVEN SHE STILL WANTS SIDING.
SO DOES ANYONE READY TO MAKE A MOTION THAT INCLUDES THAT OR A MOTION THAT, OR DO YOU FEEL THAT THAT IS TOO MUCH OR IS TO REMOVE WINDOW WISE? IF YOU HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE SAY IT.
KEEP IN MIND YOU CAN ALSO DO AN APPROVAL OF ALL THE OTHER STUFF WITH THE CONDITION THAT IT, NOT, THAT IT DOES NOT INCLUDE SOMETHING YOU DON'T WANT TO.
I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE HAD A BETTER FEELING FOR WHAT? I MEAN THIS ELEVATION IS KIND OF HARD TO READ WHERE THE WINDOWS ARE.
MAYBE WE COULD DO THIS THAT WE COULD APPROVE EVERYTHING AND ASK FOR THE WINDOWS TO COME BACK WITH A BETTER GRAPHIC SO WE CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
THIS IS THAT SIDE THAT SHE'S REFERRING TO.
UM, THE WINDOWS ARE BOARDED THERE.
DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A SCHEMATIC THAT SHOWS WHERE THE WINDOWS ARE NOT JUST WHERE THE BOARDS ARE? HOLD ON.
LEMME CHECK THE CASE REPORT ON THE STAFF REPORT.
WILL YOU BE MORE WILLING TO CLOSE THE WINDOW NUMBER EIGHT IF I, IF WE LEAVE NUMBER SEVEN? THAT WOULD BE, I WOULD THINK THAT WAS A BETTER SOLUTION.
I DO NOT KNOW WHAT OTHER COMMISSIONERS THINK TO APPEAR READY TO SPEAK.
WE ARE WAITING TO, FOR A PICTURE THAT SHOULD, IT WAS A BETTER IDEA OF EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS.
HOW BIG THE WINDOWS ARE TRYING TO GET THROUGH.
BUT OUR COMPUTERS NOT WORKING WELL
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AND JUDGING BY THAT PICTURE, I WOULD STAND BY IT WOULD BE BETTER TO LEAVE SEVEN SHOWING IN CLOSING STOPTHEY WANT IT WITHOUT, OKAY, SO SEVEN IS BEHIND THAT LITTLE SCRAP OF SHUTTER LEFT THERE.
UM, SO IF, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD THINK IT WOULD WORK FOR HER, COULD WE LEAVE SEVEN AND CLOSE UP EIGHT? WOULD THAT BE ALSO SOMETHING WE COULD AGREE TO? WHAT IS MADAM CHAIR? YES.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS THAT WOOD NEXT TO THE POWER BOX? IS THAT, WAS THAT A THE, THE STUFF NEXT TO THE POWER BOX IS NOT THE WINDOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WINDOW BEHIND IT? YEAH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PAST THE END OF THE GABLE WHERE THERE'S THAT LITTLE BRACKET AND THEN THERE'S THAT WOOD STUCK ONTO THE WALL THAT, THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A REMNANTS OF A SHUTTER.
WE HAVE A WIDE OPENING AND A SKINNY OPENING IF SHE LEFT FOR WIDE OPENING AND CLOSED THE SKINNY OPENING IS WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING, WHICH IS FURTHER BACK.
AND I DON'T, THAT'S, THAT'S IN THE BACK HALF OF THE HOUSE.
I DON'T CARE WHETHER SHE CLOSES ALL OF THOSE WINDOWS.
NORMALLY WE DON'T, BUT IT IS ON A CORNER SO IT HAS MORE.
UM, BUT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE STILL HAS APPROPRIATE WINDOWS.
WE WOULD KEEP ALL OF THE UM, WINDOWS.
SO YOUR, YOUR OPINION IS THAT SHE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO CLOSE ALL OF THOSE SEVEN NA WELL, I'D RATHER HER NOT CLOSE ONE OR THE OTHER, BUT I, I DON'T, I DON'T CONSIDER IT A PROBLEM.
BUT I, I'M NOT, I DON'T HAVE A PICTURE.
CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? I THINK THIS IS A CORNER CYPRESS NOT A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION.
WE'RE LOOKING AT, THERE IS A PICTURE WE'RE LOOKING AT BOARDED UP WINDOWS.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE ONE, I JUST SEE BOARDS.
I DON'T SEE, WE DON'T HAVE THE PICTURE LOOK THERE.
SO WE HAVE TWO, TWO WINDOWS AT THE END AND THEN THERE WILL STILL BE WINDOWS THERE.
JUST THOSE THREE IN THE MIDDLE.
SO THESE THREE ARE THE ONES THAT SHE IS PROPOSING TO CLOSE.
THIS IS SEVEN, WHICH IS A PAIRED WINDOW.
BUT YEAH IT IS A PAIRED WINDOW.
AND THEN THIS IS EIGHT AND THIS IS A CORNER SIDE FACADE.
SO THIS IS THE HOME WITHOUT THE BOARDS OVER THE WINDOW.
SO KEEPING SEVEN AND GETTING RID OF EIGHT, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND? THAT'S WHAT SHE'S PROPOSING.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO KEEP THEM ALL RIGHT.
BUT THE APPLICANT IS SAYING SHE MIGHT BE WILLING TO CLOSE EIGHT AND THEN LEAVE SEVEN.
SO SHE'D HAVE THE PAIRED WINDOWS, SIDING AND THEN THE PAIRED WINDOWS NINE AND 10 TO THE RIGHT.
AND ONE COULD SAY THAT EIGHT LOOKS KIND OF LIKE AN EXTRA ONE SHOVED IN THERE ANYWAY, THE SPACING'S OFF, IT'S, YEAH, IT'S NOT CENTERED BETWEEN THE TWO GANGS.
IS THIS PART, WHEN YOU SAY GO AHEAD, WHEN YOU SAY CLOSED, DO YOU MEAN PUT A SHADOW BOX OR SOMETHING ON THE INSIDE OR IS THERE A, A DETAIL THAT YOU PROPOSED FOR HOW TO CLOSE THE WINDOW SO THAT IT WOULD IT STILL LOOK THE SAME FROM THE OUTSIDE? HER REQUEST WAS TO FILL IN THE WINDOW WITH SIDING SO IT BECOMES PART OF THE WALL.
IF WE'RE FINISHED TALKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR WINDOW I HAVE, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A NEW DISCUSSION.
WHAT ELSE DO WE NEED TO DISCUSS? UH, ON THE FRONT FACADE, THE WINDOWS IN THE FRONT, NUMBER ONE AND TWO, THOSE AREN'T OUR ORIGINAL WINDOWS, RIGHT? NO.
AND THEY'RE BEING PROPOSED TO BE FIXED OR REPLACED WITH LIKE DIMENSIONS.
N NO, THOSE, WHAT ARE THE DIMENSIONS? 'CAUSE THOSE WINDOWS ARE HUGE, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
I COULDN'T FIND A WINDOW SCHEDULE.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE PROPOSED WINDOW SIZE AT THE FRONT FACADE OF ONE AND TWO, THREE, JUST LIKE THE REST AND THE BEDROOMS, WHICH IS TWO, NO, THREE BY FOUR.
LIKE THE ONE WITH THE AIR CONDITIONER.
WINDOWS ONE AND TWO ON THE FRONT ELEVATION, WHICH ARE LIKE ALMOST FLOOR TO CEILING.
THE QUESTION WAS SINCE THOSE ARE NOT ORIGINAL, UM, BUT I'M NOT SURE, DO YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF WHAT IT ORIGINALLY LOOKED LIKE? NO.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S BEING
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PROPOSED FOR WINDOWS ONE AND TWO AT THIS MOMENT? NORMAL WINDOWS, WHICH I BELIEVE ISUH, FOUR BY THREE, JUST LIKE WE HAVE ON THE REST OF THE BEDROOMS. SAME SIZE.
IS THAT SINGLE FOR EACH SIDE OR IS THAT A PAIR? EACH SIDE A AGAIN OF TWO ON EACH SIDE.
IT WOULD NEED TO BE TWO, RIGHT? UNLESS IS REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO WINDOWS.
'CAUSE I DID SPEAK TO MR. MARTINEZ AND HE DOES WANT TO RESTORE THE SILL AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THE WINDOWS ACROSS THE STREET FROM HIS HOME, WHICH IS, OF COURSE THEY'RE HIGHER.
THE WINDOWSILL, RIGHT, THE WINDOW SILL.
SO IT WOULD BE TWO, FOUR BY THREES IF THEY WANTED TO.
SO IT'D BE A GANG OF TWO ON EACH SIDE.
AND THAT'S, UH, IN KEEPING WITH THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET AND ON THE STREET.
WOULD THAT ESSENTIALLY BE COPYING? THERE'S A PAIR OF WINDOWS ON THE CORNER SIDE.
THERE'S, THERE'S THE TWO WINDOWS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE CHIMNEY AND THEN THERE'S A PAIR NEXT TO THAT.
IS IT, WOULD IT BE BASICALLY RECREATING THAT? DOES THAT PAIR ON BOTH SIDES RIGHT HERE? YEAH, BUT, BUT IN WOOD OR WHATEVER, OR WHAT? MM-HMM
SHE'S SAYING YES, ESSENTIALLY.
ANYONE WHO HAS A MOTION GO AHEAD AND MAKE IT.
YEAH, YOU HAVE TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON SO THAT IT WILL BE IN, IN FILE NUMBER CO OA DASH 26 DASH 0 0 0 1 8 3 LOCATION 35 0 3 MEYER STREET.
I MOVE THAT WE DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE THE, UH, SEE, UH, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND ASK THAT THE APPLICANT COME BACK WITH A WINDOW SCHEDULE AND SHOW EXACTLY WHAT WINDOW SHE WANTS TO REPLACE.
UM, AND WITH WHAT SIZE WINDOWS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, THEN I CALL FOR A VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
MA'AM, WHAT WE ARE REALLY ASKING FOR IS WE NEED DETAILED VISUAL INFORMATION IN A DRAWING OF WHAT THE WINDOWS WOULD, YOU'D LIKE THEM TO BE BECAUSE YOU DID GET A DENIAL, YOU COULD APPEAL TO THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
AND THEY WOULD ONLY BE JUDGING WHETHER WE RULED WRONGLY, AS IN WE'RE JUST WAY OFF BASE FOR THE ORDINANCE.
WE WANT YOU, MADAM CHAIR, HANG ON.
WE WANT YOU TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO WITH ALL THE WINDOWS, WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING, WHAT YOUR FINAL REQUEST IS, AND THEN WE WANNA SEE A DRAWING SO THAT WE CAN HELP YOU GET YOUR APPROVAL.
COMMISSIONER REEVES, MRS. OSA WANTS YOUR ATTENTION.
I CANNOT SEE HER ONLINE, SO I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
I THINK SHE MAY HAVE VOTED AGAINST NO, I JUST VOTED AGAINST IT.
WHAT IF WE LEAVE ALL THE WINDOWS JUST WHERE THEY ARE, REPLACE THEM WITH NEW WINDOWS.
THE ONLY THING THAT WILL CHANGE WILL BE THE FRONT TO, UM, CHANGE THE SIZE TO APPROPRIATE SIZE.
WILL THAT HELP US RESOLVE THAT? THAT, THAT THAT WOULD HAVE YES, EXCEPT THAT WE ALREADY VOTED.
AND SO IT HAS TO COME BACK TO US.
I, I HAVE SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO ADD THERE.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A PROCESS BY WHICH YOU CAN ACTUALLY KEEP THE WINDOW OPENINGS SHEET ROCK OVER THEM ON THE INSIDE AND PUT IN LIKE LOUVER VENTS OR SOMETHING SO THAT YOU ACTUALLY KEEP THE WINDOW AND YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE IT ON THE INSIDE.
SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU'LL CONSIDER.
I DID THAT AT MY OWN HOUSE WHERE YOU PUT IN A, LIKE A, A SHUTTER ON THE INSIDE AND SHEET ROCK OVER ON THE, ON THE INSIDE.
THAT WAY YOU KEEP THE WINDOWS ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT YOU CAN COVER THEM ON THE INSIDE.
SOMETHING YOU MIGHT ALSO CONSIDER.
COMMISSIONER HESO WAS THE ONLY ONE IN OPPOSITION.
UM, ALL THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.
DO YOU HAVE, UH, ANY ISSUE WITH THE MINUTES AS THEY WERE SENT TO YOU? THERE WERE NO SPEAKERS LISTED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON HAN.
WAS THERE A REASON WHY THAT? ALL RIGHT.
SO IS THAT THE ONLY CONCERN WE HAD WITH THE MINUTES?
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YES.ALL RIGHT, THEN WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ABOUT THE MINUTES THAT INCLUDE? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE EX ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS APPROVED, EXCEPT THAT THE SPEAKERS THAT SPOKE IN FAVOR AND AGAINST MACHANE, UM, LISTED A SECOND.
UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
I WOULD LIKE TO LET THE COMMISSIONERS KNOW THAT SINCE SOME PEOPLE HAVE DEEP CONCERNS ABOUT SOME OF OUR PROCESSES, I'M GOING TO ASK STAFF TO PUT ON A BRIEFING ITEM NEXT TIME AS TO WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE, IF WE'D LIKE TO SEE STAFF BE A LITTLE BIT MORE STERN IN MORE DENIALS WITHOUT PREJUDICE AND HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT OUR PROCESS.
OR BE THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU WISH TO CONTRIBUTE TO THAT DISCUSSION AND LET'S DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
AND DON'T TALK ABOUT ME IN THE HALL BEHIND MY BACK ANYMORE.
NOW IT IS 4 48 AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED THAT I BETTER STILL HAVE A RIDE HOME WITH MR.