* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [Permit and License Appeal Board on June 4, 2026.] [00:00:03] GOOD MORNING. UH, WELCOME TO THE, UH, HEARING OF THE PERMIT AND LICENSE APPEAL BOARD. IT IS 8:44 AM ON THURSDAY, JUNE 4TH, 2026. I'M ROBERT AGNI. I AM, UH, THE CHAIRMAN, EXCUSE ME, OF THIS BOARD, UH, BRIEF WORD ABOUT OUR BOARD. THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL BOARD MEMBERS SERVE WITHOUT COMPENSATION AND, UH, APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR, AND CONFIRMED BY THE ENTIRE COUNCIL. UM, THESE ARE APPEALS. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO, UH, WE'RE NOT RETRYING ANYTHING. OUR ROLE IS TO REVIEW THE DETERMINATION ON APPEAL AND TO APPLY THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE APPLICABLE CODE UNLESS THE CODE DICTATES OTHERWISE. WE FIND FACTS ON THE PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE MORE LIKELY THAN NOT, UM, AND APPLY THEM TO, TO THE CODE. THE FORMAL RULES OF EVIDENCE DO NOT APPLY, BUT THE BOARD MAY GIVE DIFFERENT WEIGHT TO DIFFERENT EVIDENCE AS IT'S PRESENTED. UM, THE SPECIFIC STANDARD AND BURDEN GOVERNING EACH APPEAL WILL BE STATED WHEN WE REACH IT. THIS MEETING IS BEING RECORDED AND BROADCAST, AND THE RECORD IS BEING MADE. UM, ALL QUESTIONS COME THROUGH ME AND I WILL MAKE PROCEDURAL RULINGS AS IS NECESSARY. UH, LET'S DO A ROLL CALL. UM, MR. SAXON PRESENT. MS. AYALA PRESENT. MS. SMITH. MS. THOMAS IS MS. THOMAS HERE. MS. TORRES PRESENT. MR. JEFFERSON? HERE. WE KNOW DR. JACKSON IS EN ROUTE. UH, MR. CCHI IS ABSENT. MR. JEFFS HERE. MR. CRON? HERE. MR. QUINT. PRESENT. MS. SHIN PRESENT. MR. GONZALEZ PRESENT, AND AGNI IS HERE. WE HAVE A QUORUM. UH, ALSO HERE, WOULD YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF, STARTING WITH THE BOARD'S GENERAL COUNSEL. THERESA CARLISLE. I'M FROM THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE. DONNA BROWN, NANCY SANCHEZ, AND, UH, THE APPELLANT AND REPRESENTATIVE. WOULD YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF? DON DAVID GIBSON AND SADE LEWIS ON BEHALF OF TY VAN LARGA AND OUR WITNESS, THE REPRESENTATIVES ARE IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM. UH, OKAY. WHICH, UH, BRINGS THE, UH, THE NAME OF YOUR WITNESSES WITH? LET ME MAKE SURE I DON'T GET THEM WRONG. BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND. JENNIFER ALLEN, KIMBERLY DIAZ, LUCIO. DAVID BAKER SENIOR. AND WHETHER YOU CALL ALL OF THEM OR, OR NOT UP TO YOU, UM, THE CITY ATTORNEY MARIA VALLA AND DAVID WILKINS WERE THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEYS FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS. AND OUR WITNESS, DETECTIVE ROBERT ROBBINS FROM DALLAS POLICE DEPART. THANK YOU. UM, A QUICK POINT. THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS, DOES YOUR OFFICE HAVE A DIFFERENT TITLE THAN MS. CARLE'S OFFICE? SO YOU'RE ALL, IT'S . OKAY. SO I'LL ADDRESS YOU AS COUNSEL THEN BACK DOWN. UM, OKAY. UH, I WILL SWEAR YOU, UH, IN, IN A MINUTE. DO, DO WE HAVE PUBLIC TESTIMONY? OKAY. UM, OUR AGENDA TODAY, WE, WE HAVE, AS IT STANDS, WE HAVE TWO HCP HEARINGS, UH, ALTHOUGH IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE SECOND ONE MAY HAVE BEEN RESOLVED, BUT, UM, I WILL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE AS, AS IT COMES ACROSS. BUT FOR THE TIME BEING, WE, WE ASSUME WE HEAR IT. UM, SO THAT'S THAT. THE FIRST ITEM, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER TWO ON OUR AGENDA, IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MAY 7TH, 2026 MINUTES. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE MINUTES? NO COMMENT. THAT SAID, DO I HAVE A MOTION? A MOTION TO APPROVE MR. GONZALEZ MOTION? IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND. UH, MR. SACHS, I GOT YOU. MOTION, UH, GONZALEZ, SECOND SAXON. UM, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYE. SO, MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. FUTURE VOTES WILL BE BY ROLL CALL. UM, [00:05:02] OKAY. SO NOW WE HAVE OUR FIRST CASE, WHICH IS, UH, AN APPEAL BY THE TIDES ON LARGA, UM, AT 3 3 3 0 WEB CHAPEL EXTENSION, UH, APPEALING THE NOTICE OF THE FINAL DETERMINATION AS A HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY UNDER SECTION 27 DASH 48 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE. I DO NOT HAVE A CASE NUMBER, UH, TO READ INTO THE RECORD. UM, 26 DASH 5 6 6 0 6 3. OKAY. K. UM, JUST, YOU, YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THESE. WE HAVE A SHIFTING BURDEN OF PROOF. THE CITY HAS TO FIRST PROVE, UH, ITS PREDICATE, WHICH IS, UM, WHICH IS FIVE EVENTS IN THE QUALIFYING 365 DAY WINDOW. THEN THAT THERE IS A, UH, HISTORICAL, UM, SET OF, OF AVAILABLE, UH, EVENTS IN THE AREA, UM, UH, AT WHICH POINT THE APPELLANT, UH, WILL HAVE THE CHANCE TO REBUT, UH, AS A, UH, AS WHAT A REASONABLE, UH, OPERATOR WOULD'VE DONE, UH, DURING THAT TIME. IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT THE STANDARD IS NOT ZERO CRIME. IT IS WHAT A REASONABLE PERSON THE OWNER WOULD DO. UH, MS. CARLISLE WILL READ THE ACTUAL LAW. YES, PLEASE. TODAY, YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU AN APPEAL OF HIS, OF A DESIGNATION AS A HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY. IT IS A DUTY OF THIS BOARD TO EVALUATE THE EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY PRESENTED BEFORE YOU TODAY AND DETERMINE WHETHER THE PRESUMPTIONS IN SECTION 27 DASH 48 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE ARE OR ARE NOT SATISFIED. THE PRESUMPTIONS ARE AS FOLLOWED. ONE, WHETHER THE PROPERTY IS OR IS NOT THE DECIDED OF FIVE OR MORE AVAILABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES WITHIN 365 DAYS IN EITHER A REPORT OF A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY DOCUMENTING AN, AN INVESTIGATION OF AN AVAILABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY ON THE PROPERTY OR ENFORCEMENT ACTION AGAINST ANY PERSON ASSOCIATED WITH THE AVAILABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY ON THE PROPERTY. AND TWO, WHETHER THE PROPERTY IS OR IS NOT. BESIDE AT WHICH PERSONS HAVE HISTORICALLY COMMITTED AVAILABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES ACCORDING TO RECENT CRIME DATA. AND THREE, AN OWNER OF A HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY IS PRESUMED TO HAVE KNOWINGLY TOLERATED THE AVAILABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AT THE OWNER'S PROPERTY BY FAILING TO TAKE REASONABLE STEPS, INCLUDING THOSE OUTLINED IN SECTION 27 DASH 49, SUBSECTION B, PARAGRAPH ONE OF THIS CHAPTER AS AMENDED TO A OBEY THE AAT CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. AAT CRIMINAL ACTIVITY MEANS THOSE ACTIVITIES LISTED IN CHAPTER 1 25 OF THE TEXAS CIVIL PRACTICE AND REMEDIES CODE AS AMENDED. IT INCLUDES DISORDERLY CONDUCT, RS AND DISCHARGE OF FIREARM IN A PUBLIC PLACE, GAMBLING, PROSTITUTION, AGGRAVATED ASSAULT, ROBBERY, DELIVERY, POSSESSION MANUFACTURER, OR USE OF AN ILLEGAL SUBSTANCE. THE TERM DOES NOT INCLUDE CRIMES OF FAMILY VIOLENCE IN DETERMINING THE, THE FIRST PRESUMPTION OF WHETHER THE PROPERTY IS OR IS NOT DECIDED BY MORE AVAILABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES WITHIN 365 DAYS. THE BOARD MAY CONSIDER THE EVIDENCE OCCURRING BEFORE THE LETTER DATED DECEMBER 19TH, 2025. SO YOU WOULD COUNT 365 DAYS BEFORE THAT, WHICH WOULD BE DECEMBER 19TH, 2024. IF YOU DETERMINE THAT THOSE PRESUMPTIONS ARE SATISFIED, YOU MUST AFFIRM THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE. IF YOU DETERMINE THAT THE PRESUMPTIONS WERE NOT SATISFIED, YOU MAY REVERSE THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE. THANK YOU. LET THE RECORD SHOW DR. JACKSON IS PRESENT AT 8 52. WELL, SHE IS. SHE IS A, SHE'S IN THE MEETING AT 8 8 50 2:00 AM GOOD MORNING. DON'T HAVE A WRECK. WE HAVE A QUORUM. UM, QUICKLY, LET'S SWEAR IN WITNESSES. IF, IF YOU EVEN THINK YOU MIGHT, UH, TESTIFY TODAY, WOULD YOU PLEASE, UH, STAND AND BE SWORN IN. MS. SANCHEZ WILL SWEAR YOU IN. PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE, THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE BEFORE THIS BOARD TODAY WILL BE THE TRUTH? THANK YOU. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING, BUT THAT'S OUR DEAL. OKAY. UM, OKAY. AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, EACH, EACH SIDE WILL HAVE A THREE MINUTE OPENING AND A THREE MINUTE CLOSE, UH, AND THEN 20 MINUTES, [00:10:01] UH, TO, UH, PRESENT YOUR CASE, WHICH INCLUDES YOUR PRESENTATION AND, UH, ANY CROSS-EXAMINATION. YOU CHOOSE TO DO QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD. DO NOT COUNT AGAINST YOUR TIME. IF WE'RE RUNNING AND FOCUSED AND WE FIND WE NEED MORE TIME, UH, WE, WE GRANT THAT I, I FIND USUALLY THAT THAT'S NOT NECESSARY. BUT IF, IF WE GET THERE, UH, WE'LL DEAL WITH IT. UH, MEMBERS, UH, WE WILL IMPOSE THE CNIK RULE OF THREE MINUTES, AND THEN TWO, UM, I'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW THAT DECEMBER 19TH, 2025 WAS MY 50TH BIRTHDAY. SO THIS IS A DATE OF ANONYMITY. UM, OKAY. . OH, TRUE. UH, WE HAVE ACCEPTED INTO EVIDENCE, UM, CITY'S, CITY'S EXHIBIT. WE'LL JUST CALL IT CITY'S EXHIBIT ONE. AND THEN WE HAVE APPELLANT'S REQUEST AND APPELLANT'S EXHIBIT ONE. OH, WE SPLIT IT. WE SPLIT IT INTO TWO. SO WE HAVE APPELLANT ONE AND TWO. ARE YOU AWARE WE, WE SPLIT THE FILE BECAUSE OF THE SIZE? EXCELLENT. THANKS. OKAY. SO JUST SO YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THESE, THESE HAVE BEEN, UM, NUMBERED BY, UM, MS. SANCHEZ AND, UH, A WORD ABOUT ABOUT EVIDENCE. WE, WE DON'T FOLLOW THE FORMAL RULES OF EVIDENCE, WHICH GENERALLY MEANS WE, WE ALLOW HEARSAY, BUT WE DO TREAT IT DIFFERENTLY AS WE, UH, AS WE EVALUATE IT. IF YOU HAVE CONSTITUTIONAL TYPE CLAIMS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE RECORD, I WON'T STOP YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT WE CAN'T MAKE A DECISION ON, UH, PREEMPTION TYPE CLAIM. UH, UH, BUT CERTAINLY YOU WANNA LOSE YOUR TIME FOR THAT TO, TO PERFECT THE RECORD. UH, WILL NOT STOP. UH, OKAY. AT THAT POINT, WOULD THE CITY LIKE TO, OH, UM, I'M SORRY. OH, I DIDN'T ASK. YES, YES. UH, I'M SORRY, CHAIR. I WAS, UH, GOING TO REQUEST CLARIFICATION ON WHO WAS GOING FIRST. TYPICALLY, THE APPELLANT, UM, GOES FIRST. THEY HAVE THE ONES THAT HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, HAVE MADE THE DECISION TO APPEAL. AND SO IT IS FAIR BURDEN TO SORT OF, UH, DEFEND AGAINST THE CITY'S ULTIMATE DECISION. AND SO IF THEY GO FIRST, THAT ALLOWS THE CITY TO RESPOND TO WHAT THEIR CLAIMS ARE AS TO WHY THE DECISION SHOULDN'T STAND. I, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE ARGUMENT, UH, THIS BOARD, WHICH AND ME HAS, HAS DECIDED THAT BECAUSE WE ARE, UH, HERE TO REVIEW AN APPEAL OF THE LETTER, THAT IF THEY WENT FIRST, THEY WOULD TECHNICALLY HAVE NO EVIDENCE AGAINST WHICH TO THIS RESPOND. UH, SO, AND, AND PARTICULARLY BECAUSE THERE IS A BURDEN OF PROOF ON THE CITY TO BEGIN WITH. UH, SO THAT, THAT'S THE LOGIC, BUT YOU'RE ON THE RECORD. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE MS. MS. CARLISLE IS, IS CORRECT THAT THE WORDS BURDEN OF PROOF, NOT DO NOT APPLY, UH, DO NOT SHOW UP IN ALMOST ANY ONE OF OUR, EXCEPT FOR ONE THAT I KNOW OF APPEALS, UH, IT IS INCUMBENT ON THE CITY TO PROVE, UH, THE PREDICATES. UH, AND THEN IT BECOMES PRESUMED ONCE THOSE PREDICATES ARE ARE, ARE PROVEN, IT THEN BECOMES PRESUMED THAT THE APPELLANT KNOWINGLY ALLOWED, UH, THE EVENTS STAFF. BUT THE FIVE AND 365 HAS TO HAPPEN BEFORE THE SECOND PART EVEN COMES INTO QUESTION. OKAY. ARE YOU READY, MR. CHAIR? UH, IF YOU ARE, GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THIS MATTER TODAY. TO BEGIN, THE PURPOSE OF THE CITY'S HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY ORDINANCE IS TO PROTECT THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE OF THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY BY REDUCING CRIME AT PROPERTIES WHERE THE OWNER HAS PERMITTED OR TOLERATED CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. BY NOT TAKING THE STEPS A REASONABLE OWNER WOULD TAKE TO PREVENT CRIME. THROUGH THIS ORDINANCE, THE CITY, THE CITY AIMS TO IMPROVE THE CONDITIONS OF THE DESIGNATED PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY BY WORKING WITH OWNERS TO RECOMMEND REASONABLE CRIME ABATEMENT, MEASURES, SET EXPECTATIONS, ESTABLISH TIMELINES, AND [00:15:01] MONITOR IMPLEMENTATION OF MEASURES TAKEN. BECAUSE OF THIS EX, BECAUSE OF THE EXTRA CITY RESOURCES EXPENDED ON THE DESIGNATED PROPERTY, THE ORDINANCE IMPOSES A FEE NOT TO BE PUNITIVE, BUT TO RECOUP THE DISPROPORTIONATE AMOUNT OF TAXPAYER RESOURCES USED TO ASSIST JUST ONE PROPERTY. UNDER THIS ORDINANCE, A PROPERTY IS PRESUMED TO BE AN HCP IF FIVE OR MORE AVAILABLE CRIMES HAVE BEEN DOCUMENTED THERE DURING A ONE YEAR PERIOD, AND PERSONS HAVE HISTORICALLY COMMITTED AVAILABLE CRIMES. ACCORDING TO RECENT CRIME DATA, A PROPERTY OWNER IS PRESUMED TO HAVE KNOWINGLY TOLERATED CRIME ON THE PROPERTY BY FAILING TO TAKE REASONABLE MEASURES TO ABATE THE CRIME. THE TIDES AT LARGA APARTMENT COMPLEX LOCATED AT 33 30. WEB CHAPEL EXTENSION WAS THE SITE OF FIVE OR MORE AVAILABLE CRIMES WITHIN A 365 DAY PERIOD. SPECIFICALLY, THERE WERE EIGHT AVAILABLE CRIMES AND MORE THAN 160 CALLS FOR SERVICE DURING OUR ONE YEAR LOOK BACK PERIOD. THIS PROPERTY IS ALSO DECIDED AT WHICH PERSONS HAVE HISTORICALLY COMMITTED AVAILABLE CRIMES. IN THE TWO YEAR PERIOD. PRIOR TO THE LOOKBACK PERIOD, THERE WERE 13 AVAILABLE OFFENSES COMMITTED. SINCE THE PROPERTY'S HCCP DESIGNATION BECAME FINAL, THERE HAVE BEEN TWO MORE AVAILABLE OFFENSES DOCUMENTED. THE PROPERTY MET THE CRITERIA FOR A PRELIMINARY DESIGNATION AS AN HCP AT THE FEBRUARY 26TH ACCORD MEETING, THE OWNER WAS GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO REBUT THE PRESUMPTIONS LEADING TO HCP DESIGNATION, AND DID PRESENT EVIDENCE OF SOME STEPS TAKEN. BUT THOSE STEPS WERE DEEMED INSUFFICIENT OR NOT ALIGNED TO ADDRESS THE SPECIFIC TYPES OF AVAILABLE CRIME OCCURRING ON THE PROPERTY. YOU WILL LIKELY HEAR THAT THIS DESIGNATION SHOULD BE REMOVED DUE TO THE RECENT MEASURES THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE TAKEN SINCE THEIR DESIGNATION. WHILE THE CITY APPRECIATES ALL EFFORTS TO ABATE CRIME, THE TWO ISSUES FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER ARE ONE, WHETHER THE PRESUMPTIONS LISTED IN THE ORDINANCE APPLIED TO THIS PROPERTY AT THE TIME IT WAS DESIGNATED, AND TWO, WHETHER AT OR AFTER THE ACCORD MEETING, THE PROPERTY OWNER PROVIDED EVIDENCE TO REBUT THE PRESUMPTIONS TO REBUT THAT THE PRESUMPTION APPLIED AT THE TIME THE PROPERTY WAS DESIGNATED. THE CITY ASKED THE BOARD TO AFFIRM THE CHIEF OF POLICE'S FINAL DESIGNATION OF 33 30 WEB CHAPEL EXTENSION AS A HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY, SO THAT THE CITY CAN CONTINUE TO WORK WITH PROPERTY OWNERS AS THEY IMPLEMENT REASONABLE MEASURES TO ABATE CRIME FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PROPERTY, ITS RESIDENTS AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF REPRESENTING TIDES ON. LARGA. TIDES IS ONE OF MANY PROPERTIES OWNED BY MY CLIENTS THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF TEXAS AND THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF DALLAS. TIDES AND ITS OWNERSHIP GROUP ARE MODEL CITIZENS. THEY ARE EXACTLY THE KIND OF PROPERTY OWNERS THE CITY OF DALLAS WANTS IN THIS TOWN, ADDRESSING THE CRIME ISSUES TO BE PUNISHED IN THIS SITUATION, ESPECIALLY ON THE RECORD THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU AND THE TESTIMONY, YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR DIVORCES REALITY FROM THE STATUTE, AND IT UNDERMINES THE CITY'S STATED GOAL OF PROTECTING THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE OF ITS CITIZENS. AS A REMINDER, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCATION OF THIS PROPERTY, THIS IS JUST NORTH OF NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, NEAR BACHMAN LAKE, JUST NORTH OF LOVE FIELD. IF YOU'VE LIVED IN DALLAS FOR MORE THAN 20 MINUTES, YOU KNOW THAT THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CHALLENGED AREA. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN ECONOMICALLY CHALLENGED. IT IS A CRIME RIDDEN AREA THAT HAS GOTTEN DRAMATICALLY BETTER IN THE 40 YEARS I'VE LIVED HERE. WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE, IT WAS STRIPPED STRIP JOINTS, BARS, LIQUOR STORES, AND, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS OF THAT NATURE. IT'S COME A LONG WAY SINCE THEN. I'M NOT GONNA ADDRESS THE STATUTE ITSELF, AS THE CHAIRMAN POINTED OUT, TODAY IS NOT THE PLACE, THIS IS NOT THE VENUE. UH, BUT THERE ARE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEMS WITH THE STATUTE. HOWEVER, MY CLIENT SUPPORTS THE GOALS OF WHAT THE STATUTE IS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. I SAY STATUTE, IT'S OBVIOUSLY THE CITY CODE CODE. I JUST LOOKED AT THE DALLAS COUNTY POLICE WEBSITE YESTERDAY. IN PREPARATION FOR THIS HEARING, THERE WERE 23,232 ASSAULT OFFENSES, HOW THEY'RE DEFINED ON THE WEBSITE. LAST YEAR, THERE WERE 25,000. THE YEAR BEFORE, MY CLIENT WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR ZERO OF THOSE OF THE EIGHT OFFENSES THAT QUALIFIED. AND, AND WE, WE AGREED THAT SEVEN OF 'EM QUALIFIED. ONE OF 'EM WAS A CAR THEFT IN NEAR DESOTO. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT GOT ON THIS LIST, BUT IT HAD NOTHING TO DO. HOWEVER, SEVEN OR FIVE WERE STILL THERE. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THESE ARE ASSAULTS BY PERSONS COMING ONTO OUR CLIENT'S PROPERTY FROM THAT SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU ALL KNOW VERY, VERY WELL. ONE OF THEM IS A CRIMINAL TRESPASS FROM SOMEONE COMING ONTO THE PROPERTY FROM THAT SAME NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, ONE OF 'EM IS AN AGGRAVATED ASSAULT COMING ON. THE ONLY CRIME THAT'S LISTED IN THIS LIST OF SEVEN QUALIFYING OFFENSES THAT ACTUALLY OCCURRED AND INVOLVED SOMEONE WHO [00:20:01] LIVED ON THE PROPERTY WAS THE DRUG BUST. AND IT WAS A PERSON WHO WAS NOT A TENANT. IT WAS SOMEONE, THE TENANT ALLOWED TO BE THERE. AND BY VIRTUE OF THAT RELATIONSHIP, THERE IS NO WAY THAT ANY REASONABLE PROPERTY OWNER COULD HAVE SCREENED OUT THAT PERSON BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE THERE. THE TENANT MET THE CRITERIA, HOWEVER, WE ADMIT THAT OF THEM, THEY QUALIFY. THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THE STATUTE. MAY I HAVE ONE MINUTE? I SAID, MAY I HAVE ONE MINUTE? OKAY. UM, I'VE CONDENSED MY SIX PAGES INTO MUCH LESS, BUT I WANT, I DO WANNA WRAP UP. AS YOU ALL KNOW, YOU GET INTO THE HC PROGRAM, CRIMES HAPPEN ON OR AROUND YOUR PROPERTY. THE ONLY WAY YOU GET OUT OF THE HC PROGRAM IS BY PROVING THAT YOU ARE A RESPONSIBLE PROPERTY OWNER DOING WHAT THE CITY WANTS TO BE DONE IN THIS CASE, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MY CLIENT DID. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE ITEMS, 70 TO 80 TO 90% OF THE ITEMS ON THE CHRISTMAS WISHLIST, THEY ALREADY DID BEFORE THE DESIGNATION, BEFORE THE ORIGINAL ACCORD MEETING, WE PUT 1300 PAGES OF EXHIBITS BEFORE THE ACCORD MEETING, WHICH THE CITY DISREGARDED. THEY ISSUED THE FINAL DETERMINATION A DAY BEFORE OUR DEADLINE. THEY RESCINDED THAT, AND THEN THEY SCHEDULED SOME INFECTIONS, AND THEN THEY ISSUED THE ULTIMATE FINAL DEAD DEADLINE, EXCUSE ME, DESIGNATION BEFORE WE HAD THE INSPECTIONS. THIS IS THE VERY EPITOME OF A PROCESS MOVING ON WITHOUT ANY ACTUAL JUDGMENT. AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS FOR THIS BOARD TO LOOK AT THE ACTUAL EVIDENCE AND BRING THAT JUDGMENT TO BEAR. THANK YOU. YEAH, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T PLAY OFF SUBTLY. YEAH. UM, OKAY. SO, UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MATCH THERE? ONE MINUTE. UM, YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO IT IF YOU THANK YOU, UM, UM, MS. MR. WILKINS OR MS. ZAVALA. I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING, BUT I WILL. ALL RIGHT. THE CITY CALLS DETECTIVE ROBBINS. DETECTIVE ROBBINS, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THE BOARD. DETECTIVE ROBERT ROBBINS. UM, AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN AN OFFICER WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT? SIX YEARS. AND YOU ARE CURRENTLY A DETECTIVE ON OUR NUISANCE ABATEMENT TEAM. WILL YOU PLEASE DESCRIBE YOUR ROLE ON THE NUISANCE ABATEMENT TEAM? ONE OF THE ROLES IS WE, UH, INVESTIGATE THE CRIMES THAT OCCURRED ON A PROPERTY, WHICH IS SITE SPECIFIC. UH, WE ACTUALLY INVESTIGATE EVERY CRIMINAL, UH, POLICE REPORT ARREST REPORT, AND CALL FOR SERVICE THAT OCCURS ON THAT PROPERTY. WE INVESTIGATE TO SEE IF THE ACTUAL CRIME IN QUESTION OCCURS, AND THEN WE, UH, EVENTUALLY TAKE A LOOK AT THE, AT THE PROPERTY AND SEE WERE THERE ANY PREVENTATIVE MEASURES. SO AS A DETECTIVE ON THE NUISANCE ABATEMENT TEAM, YOU DO THIS INVESTIGATION, UH, FOR CASES THAT ARE TYPICALLY WHAT KINDS OF PROPERTIES? UH, CRIME PROPERTIES. CRIME PROPERTIES. ALL RIGHT. I WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY AS A DETECTIVE, UH, ON THE NUISANCE ABATEMENT TEAM. HAVE YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BECOME FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 33 30 WEB CHAPEL EXTENSION? YES. UM, AND CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THE PROPERTY, WHERE IT'S LOCATED, SORT OF MAYBE SOME OF THE HISTORY, OVERALL VIBE OF THE PROPERTY? UH, IT'S A APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH ABOUT, UH, JUST A LITTLE OVER 300 UNITS, NINE BUILDINGS. UH, YOU HAVE A CONVENIENCE STORE NEXT TO IT. YOU HAVE A SHOPPING CENTER ACROSS THE STREET. UH, IT'S OFF TWO MAIN STREETS, WHICH IS WEB CHAPEL EXTENSION AND NORTHWEST HIGHWAY. SO YOU'RE AWARE THAT A FINAL DETERMINATION DESIGNATING THIS PROPERTY AS AN HCP WAS MADE. COULD YOU DESCRIBE TO THE BOARD BRIEFLY, UH, HOW A PROPERTY GETS TO BE A HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY? UH, IT IS TRIAGED TO OUR OFFICE. UH, ONCE IT IS TRIAGED, IT COMES TO OUR ATTENTION. WE DO A THOROUGH DIVE INTO EVERY INCIDENT THAT OCCURRED AT THE PROPERTY, AND IF IT MEETS THE CRITERIA OF THE HCP ORDINANCE, WE, UH, LOOK AT THE HISTORY. UH, SO WE GO BACK TWO YEARS, UH, FOR A COMBINED YEAR, THREE YEARS, LOOK AT EVERY POLICE REPORT, EVERY ARREST REPORT VIEW AND BODY CAMERAS, AND THEN WE ESSENTIALLY DO SITE VISITS AND INSPECTIONS AND SPOT CHECKS. AND WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU'RE TRYING TO SEE WHAT TYPE OF CRIME PREVENTATIVE, UH, ARE ON THE PROPERTY TO PREVENT SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT CAME, THAT YOU READ ABOUT AND VIEWED ON BODY CAMERA. FROM THAT MOMENT ON, UH, DROP UP A PRESUMPTION LETTER AND YOU'LL FORM THE OWNERS OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THEIR PROPERTY. AFTER THAT. DO YOU, UH, HOLD A, AN ACCORD MEETING? YES. WE HOLD A, WE HOLD A ACCORD MEETING. AND THEN A FINAL DESIGNATION LETTER IS SET? YES. ALRIGHT. HOW DID THE PROPERTY COME TO THE ATTENTION OF A NUISANCE PAYMENT TEAM? UH, THE NORTHWEST [00:25:01] DIVISION OF DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT COMMAND STAFF, UH, RAN CRIME ANALYSIS WITHIN THE AREA AND, UH, A VERY SITE SPECIFIC LOCATION. THIS ADDRESS CAME ABOUT, IT WAS TRIAGED TO OUR UNIT, AND UPON REVIEWING EVERY, ALL THE CRIME THAT OCCURRED, THAT'S HOW IT CAME TO OUR ATTENTION. AND WHEN WAS THAT? UH, SOMETIME IN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER OF 2025. IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT THE NORTHWEST COMMAND STAFF TRIAGE THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE IT WAS A BIG PROBLEM INCLUDING, UH, EXPOUNDING A LOT OF DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT RESOURCES, INCLUDING THE NIGHT PATROL UNITS, THE CRT TEAM, DEEP NIGHTS, ET CETERA? YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. OPPOSING COUNSEL MEN, UH, MENTIONED IN HER MEMO THAT OFFICER TAYLOR OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD POLICE UNIT MAY HAVE MADE SOME STATEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY MANAGER OF TIDE. ZACH FELD, THE PROPERTY SHOULD NOT BE IN THE HCP PROGRAM. CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW YOUR ROLE AS A DETECTIVE ON THE NUISANCE ABATEMENT TEAM DIFFERS FROM THAT, SAY, UH, MPO OR OTHER STREET LEVEL OFFICER? UH, FOR MY UNIT, LIKE I SAID, WE INVESTIGATE SITE SPECIFIC LOCATIONS, SO ADDRESSES, AND ON THAT WE PROVE THAT THESE CRIMINAL OFFENSE OCCURRED ON THAT PROPERTY. UH, FROM THAT, UH, WITH THE TRAINING THAT I HAVE AND EXPERIENCE THAT I HAVE, I INVESTIGATE EVERYTHING TO HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE THAT THESE INCIDENTS OCCURRED. AND WITH THE TRAINING, UH, HOW CAN THIS PROPERTY HAVE HARDENED THEIR TARGET FROM CRIMINAL ACTIVITY? THAT'S WHY WE HAVE INSPECTIONS AND SPOT CHECKS, AND WE DO INTERVIEWS AS WELL WITH TENANTS AND CITIZENS THROUGHOUT THE AREA. SO IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE MORE SPECIALIZED TRAINING IN THIS ARENA THAN AN NPO AND THAT YOU CONDUCT A VERY THOROUGH INVESTIGATION AND GO THROUGH MORE EXTENSIVE RESEARCH AS A PART OF DESIGNATION? YES. WE HAVE RESOURCES THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY AVAILABLE TO US AS A, AT OUR UNIT, UH, RATHER THAN ANY OTHER UNIT WITHIN A POLICE DEPARTMENT. OKAY. AND AS OUR DETECTIVE ASSIGNED TO OUR TEAM, YOU PERSONALLY CONDUCTED THE INVESTIGATION NECESSARY TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION? YES. ALL RIGHT. WILL YOU DESCRIBE FOR US ALL OF WHAT YOUR INVESTIGATION ENTAILED? UH, REVIEWING EVERY POLICE CONTACT THAT OCCURRED ON THE PROPERTY. ALSO WITHIN THE AREA INSPECTIONS DAY INSPECTION, MIDDAY INSPECTIONS, NIGHT INSPECTIONS, INTERVIEWS, INTERVIEWS WITH CITIZENS, INTERVIEWS WITH MANAGEMENT TEAM, AND PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE AREA, TENANTS. UH, ALSO WE REVIEW BODY-WORN CAMERAS FOR OFFICE, UH, AS WELL. AND FROM THAT, WE REVIEWED THE PROPERTY TO SEE WHAT COULD, WHAT MEASUREMENTS THEY COULD HAVE DONE TO PREVENT SOME OF THESE CRIMES. ALRIGHT. HOW MANY, OH, I'M SORRY. LOOKING AT, UH, CAN YOU PLEASE TELL US WHAT A CALL FOR SERVICE IS? A CALL FOR SERVICE. IS ANYONE CALLING 9 1 1 AND REQUEST A POLICE RESPONSE? ALL RIGHT. AND HOW DOES THAT DIFFER FROM A MARK OUT CALL OR WHAT IS A MARK OUT CALL? MARK OUT CALL COULD BE A POLICE OFFICER INITIATED AN INVESTIGATION THAT OCCURRED ON A PROPERTY, OR IT CAN BE A HOTSPOT LOCATION IN WHICH THEY ARE MANDATED TO BE AT THAT LOCATION AT A PARTICULAR TIME FOR A PARTICULAR DURATION DUE TO THE HIGH CRIME THAT'S OCCURRING IN THAT AREA ON THAT SPECIFIC PROPERTY. AND IS IT FAIR TO SAY IN YOUR EXPERIENCE AS A DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT ONE YEAR OF MARK OUT CALLS AND SERVICE CALLS BEING OVER A THOUSAND IS UNUSUAL OR A LOT FOR AN APARTMENT COMPLEX THIS SIZE? YES. ALRIGHT. NOW LOOKING AT THE DEBATABLE OFFENSES THAT OCCURRED DURING OUR LOOK BACK PERIOD, HOW MANY OFFENSES OCCURRED? EIGHT. UM, AND WHAT KINDS OF OFFENSES OCCURRED ON THIS PROPERTY? UH, YOU HAVE AGGRAVATED ASSAULT, UH, AGGRAVATED ROBBERY, UH, DISCHARGE OF A FIREARM IN THE MUNICIPALITY. YOU HAVE DRUG OFFENSES, MANUFACTURING, DELIVERY, PATROL THEFT. THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU. FIVE OF THOSE OFFENSES ARE AGGRAVATED. CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO THE BOARD WHAT MAKES AN OFFENSE AGGRAVATED? AGGRAVATED COULD BE A DAILY WEAPON'S USED DURING THE COMMISSION OF A CRIME OR PREVENTED OR DUE TO THE INJURIES OF SOMEONE WHO MAY HAVE BEEN ASSAULTED. IT CAN BE LIFE THREATENING INJURIES AS WELL. ALRIGHT. SO IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT THESE ARE SERIOUS AND VIOLENT CRIMES? YES. ALRIGHT. IF WE LOOK AT SPECIFICALLY THE AVAILABLE THAT OCCURRED ON AUGUST 22ND, 2025, THE OFFENSE WAS MANUFACTURING DELIVERY OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE, WHAT WOULD LEAD DPD TO INVESTIGATE A DRUG HOUSE OR A TRAP HOUSE LIKE THE ONE THAT WAS LOCATED WITHIN THE TIDES? OBJECTION. MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE'S ZERO EVIDENCE THAT THIS IS A DRUG HOUSE. ARE YOU OBJECTING TO THE, THE, UM, I'M OBJECTING TO THE CHARACTERIZATION AND THE TESTIMONY OF COUNSEL THAT THIS IS A DRUG HOUSE, IT'S AN APARTMENT ONE UNIT. OKAY. NOTED. UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO, TO RULE ON THAT, EXCEPT NOTE THAT THAT, UH, THERE HAS BEEN NO EVIDENCE THAT, THAT [00:30:01] IT IS A DRUG HOUSE. UH, WE ARE, UH, NOT A CRIMINAL COURT. SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT MATTERS, BUT OKAY. UM, I'M NOT SURE THE DISTINCTION MATTERS TO, TO THIS OKAY. BODY, BUT TO, TO APPEASE COUNSEL, WHAT WOULD LEAD DPD TO INVESTIGATE A DRUG APARTMENT? UH, THE TYPE OF TRAFFIC THAT OCCURS WITHIN THAT AREA ON THAT PROPERTY NEAR THAT APARTMENT. UH, YOU HAVE CONFIDENTIAL INFORMANTS WHO ADVISE POLICE, UH, WHAT'S GOING ON INSIDE THAT APARTMENT, THE TYPE OF ARREST THAT OCCURS FROM THAT APARTMENT. AND WHEN YOU DO INTERVIEWS, YOU GET CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION THAT WILL BE DPD TO THAT APARTMENT AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S GOING ON INSIDE THAT APARTMENT. AND YOU ALSO CAN HAVE UNDERCOVER OFFICERS MAKING AN ARRIVAL AT THAT APARTMENT AS WELL TO PURCHASE ANY. SO WAS IT LIKELY THAT A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS WERE COMING IN AND OUT, UM, AND ON THE PROPERTY? YES. IF WE LOOK AT SPECIFICALLY THE SEARCH WARRANT, DOES IT, UH, WHICH IS THE PHOTO ON THE LEFT, UM, IS THAT PRO, IS THAT CIRCLE THERE SHOWING THAT THE DRUG APARTMENT WAS LOCATED WITHIN THE TIDES PROPERTY? YES. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN THE BOTTOM RIGHT PHOTO IS SHOWING THAT WHAT WAS SEIZED FROM THAT SEARCH WARRANT. CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH WHAT IS DEPICTED THERE? UH, YOU HAVE, UH, EXCUSE ME, I'M SORRY. YOU COULD STOP YOUR TIME FOR A SECOND. DO YOU HAVE A WAY OF ENLARGING THAT FOR, AND THAT MAY ADVANTAGE, I THINK IT, I DON'T CONTROL SORT OF HOW TO MINIMIZE THE HEADS, BUT PERHAPS IF THE LIKE IT'S AS LARGE AS IT CAN BE ON OUR SCREEN, I THINK NANCY MIGHT BE ABLE TO TAKE WELL, YOU CAN ENLARGE. I JUST, I CAN'T SEE IT. OKAY. THAT'S BETTER. YEAH. AND I DON'T KNOW GUYS ON YOUR, ON YOUR INDIVIDUAL SCREENS WHETHER YOU CAN MINIMIZE THE, UH, THE, THE NUMBER, BUT, OKAY. WE, WE USE SOME OF YOUR TIME. SHOULD WE PUT IT BACK AT 11 MINUTES? ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. DR. JACKSON IS IN THE BILL. NINE 16. ALRIGHT, SO WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT IN THE PHOTO? UH, ON THE LEFT YOU ARE LOOKING AT A PICTURE, A SCREENSHOT OF THE ACTUAL SEARCH WARRANT AFFIDAVIT ON THE TOP RIGHT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE LEASE, WHICH, UH, WAS THE APARTMENT EXECUTED? UH, THE SEARCH WARRANT AND ON THE BOTTOM YOU LOOKING AT ITEM CS FROM THE SEARCH WARRANT AFTER IT WAS EXECUTED. AND SPECIFICALLY, WHAT ARE THE PHOTOS THAT WERE SEIZED? UH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT LARGE QUALITY OF CASH CELL PHONES, DRUG SQUES, NARCOTICS, BAGGED UP, UH, FIREARM, ACTUAL BODY ARMOR AND BOOK BAG. ALRIGHT. SO IT'S FAIR TO SAY, UH, THAT THIS IS, WAS A SERIOUS DRUG, BUT YES. UM, SO DID FIVE OR MORE AVAILABLES OCCUR AT THE PROPERTY WITHIN 365 DAY LOOKBACK PERIOD? YES. MOVING ON TO THE CRIMINAL HISTORY, LOOKING AT THE THREE YEAR ABATES, WHAT KINDS OF DEBATABLE OFFENSES OCCURRED? UH, YOU HAVE SEVERAL NARCOTIC SEARCH WARRANTS, UH, EXECUTED ON THE PROPERTY. CRIMINAL TRESPASS, AGAIN, MANUFACTURING DELIVERY OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE, UH, DAILY CONDUCT, AGGRAVATED ASSAULT, AGGRAVATED ROBBERY, VERY VIOLENT CRIMES. ALRIGHT. SO IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT THE THERE IS A HISTORY OF CRIME AT THIS PROPERTY? YES. ALRIGHT. NOW THAT THE PROPERTY HAS MET THE REQUISITE, DEBATABLE AND THE HISTORY OF CRIME HAS BEEN, UM, SHOWN, WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP IN YOUR PROCESS? WOULD THAT BE AN INSPECTION? YES. AND WHAT DID YOU FIND DURING YOUR INSPECTIONS OF THE PROPERTY? UH, FOUND THAT THE GATES DIDN'T WORK ON THE PROPERTY. SO IT'S EASILY ACCESSIBLE FOR THE PUBLIC. UH, THE LACK OF SECURITY PRESENCE ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL. DURING MY NIGHT INSPECTION, UH, INADEQUATE LIGHTING WAS OBSERVED ON THE PROPERTY. UH, MANY PEOPLE COMING ONTO THE PROPERTY CONGREGATING, LAER, UH, FOUND PEOPLE HANGING OUT IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, CONDUCTING BUSINESS, SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF, UH, SELLING MERCHANDISE AND ACTUALLY JUST LOING RIGHT DIRECTLY INSIDE, IN FRONT, NEAR THE SOCCER FIELD ON THE PROPERTY. ALL RIGHT. LOOKING AT SOME PHOTOS FROM YOUR INSPECTIONS, CAN YOU TELL US GENERAL, GENERALLY WHAT THESE FOUR PHOTOS ARE DEPICT DEPICTING THE LACK OF A SECURE, UH, GATES FOR THE PROPERTY, WHICH MAKES IT EASILY ACCESSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO COME ONTO THE PROPERTY AND COMMIT CRIME. SO IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT ALL, ALMOST ALL OF THE GATES HAVE ON THE PROPERTY, HAVE EITHER BEEN BROKEN OR TAMPERED WITH AND ARE OTHERWISE JUST OPEN AND INVITING THE [00:35:01] PUBLIC IN? WE, WE, UH, DO ALLOW HEARSAY, BUT, UH, IN, IN YOUR TIME, UH, IT'S, IT'S OFTENTIMES WELL USED TO POINT OUT, UH, WHAT IS HERE. 'CAUSE WE DO DISTINGUISH UNDERSTOOD, BUT WE ALSO ALLOW IT. THANK YOU. POINTS BEEN MADE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AND NOW LOOKING AT THESE TWO PHOTOS, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT YOUR INVESTIGATION FOUND? UH, INADEQUATE LIGHTNING FOR THESE TWO PHOTOS. SO DARK SPOTS IN CORRIDORS, WHAT COULD, WHAT COULD HAPPEN IN A DARK SPOT? UH, ANY TYPE OF CRIME CAN OCCUR FROM POSSESSION OF NARCOTICS, SELLING NARCOTICS, AGGRAVATED ASSAULT, DAILY WEAPON OR HOMICIDE. ALRIGHT. AND THEN MOVING ON TO THIS PHOTO. CAN YOU SHOW US WHAT YOUR INSPECTIONS FOUND? UH, PEOPLE LOITERING ON THE PROPERTY, UH, APPEARS TO BE DRINKING SOME TYPE OF BEVERAGE AS WELL. AND YOU HAVE CITIZENS POSTED UP RIGHT OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS SELLING ITEMS. ALL RIGHT. AND LASTLY, CAN YOU EXPLAIN, UM, WHAT THESE FOOTAGE ARE DEPICT? ON THE FAR LEFT, YOU HAVE A FLOCK CAMERA USED TO, UH, REGISTER, UH, NOT REGISTERED, USED TO RECORD LICENSE PLATE VEHICLES ON THE THOROUGHFARE, MAIN AIRFARE ON THE RIGHT YOU HAVE A DPD OPERATED AND ON CAMERA TOWER THAT'S DIRECTLY ON THE PROPERTY IN THE PARKING LOT DUE TO THE CRIME THAT'S OCCURRING ON THE PROPERTY THAT HAS BEEN THERE SINCE APRIL 15TH, CONSISTENTLY SINCE APRIL 15TH, 2025 DUE TO THE VIOLENT CRIME AND THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY ON THIS PROPERTY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. NOW MOVING ON, UH, TO THE ACCORD MEETING SOME OF THE EVIDENCE THAT THE, UH, UH, OWNER PROVIDED. ALL RIGHT. SO DID THE OWNERS PROVIDE ANY EVIDENCE AT THE ACCORD MEETING? YES. ALRIGHT. AND WHAT TYPES OF EVIDENCE? UH, THEY PROVIDED, UH, BIDS FOR REPAIRS, MAINTENANCE, UH, SECURITY CONTRACT, TOWING CONTRACT. AND WHY WAS THE EVIDENCE, UH, INSUFFICIENT TO REBUT THE PRESUMPTION? UM, WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT THE LOOK, LOOK BACK PERIOD, SOME OF THESE ITEMS THEY PRESENTED WAS AFTER THE LOOK BACK PERIOD AND SOME OF THE ITEMS THEY PROVIDED THAT WERE DOING THE LOOK BACK PERIOD WASN'T SUFFICIENT ENOUGH, FOR EXAMPLE, SECURITY. WHY WAS THAT INSUFFICIENT? UH, AFTER CONTACTING THEIR, UH, SECURITY, UH, IT WAS INFORMED TO ME THAT THEY ONLY HAVE ONE UNARMED SECURITY GUARD FOR A 300 PLUS UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH NO VEHICLE, NO PATROL VEHICLE, JUST ON FOOT. ALRIGHT. AND THEN AFTER THE ACCORD MEETING, THEY REQUESTED MORE TIME. WAS THAT EVIDENCE, UH, SUFFICIENT, THE ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE THAT, UH, THEY PROVIDED SUFFICIENT TO REBUT THE PRESUMPTION? NO. WHAT WERE SOME OF THE REASONS? UH, AGAIN, THEY PROVIDED THINGS THAT THEY WERE IN PROCESS OF DOING AFTER THE LOOKBACK PERIOD. ALRIGHT. AND THEN WHAT IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHEN DPD IS, IS CREATING A LIST OF REASONABLE MEASURES THAT THEY COULD HAVE IMPLEMENTED AND SHOULD IMPLEMENT GOING FORWARD? UH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, PROPERTIES THAT HAVE SUCCESSFULLY IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THESE MEASURES AND, UH, REDUCE THEIR CRIME RATE AND PROPERTIES WHO DO NOT HAVE CRIME ON THEIR PROPERTY OR LOW CRIME ON THEIR PROPERTY DUE TO SOME OF THE CRIME PREVENTION MEASURES THAT THEY HAVE IMPLEMENTED. AND SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT TIDES, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE MAJOR FAILURES ON THEIR PART? UH, ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY, LACK OF SECURITY PRESENCE, LACK OF VIDEO SURVEILLANCE. ALL RIGHT. AND SO AFTER ALL OF THAT HAS OCCURRED, WHAT IS THE FINAL STEP? UH, YOU MAKE A DECISION. DECISION, UH, YOU DRAFT UP THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND YOU DESIGNATE THE PROPERTY AS A CP. HAVE YOU HAD THE PRO THE OPPORTUNITY TO INSPECT THE PROPERTY SINCE THE FINAL DESIGNATION? YES. AND WHEN WAS YOUR MOST RECENT INSPECTION? UH, LAST MONTH. OKAY. AND WHAT HAPPENED AT YOUR LAST INSPECTION? IT WAS A NIGHT INSPECTION. UH, WE FINALLY MADE CONTACT WITH THE SECURITY GUARD WHO WAS ON THE ARM, UH, IN A SECURITY UNIFORM. UH, HE WAS ACTUALLY SITTING INSIDE THE PROPERTY AS YOU HAD PEOPLE JUST LOITERING IN THE PARKING LOT AND SELLING ITEMS DIRECTLY OUT FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. DID HE TELL YOU ABOUT ANY RECENT INCIDENTS? YES. HE DESCRIBED AN INCIDENT IN WHICH HE SOMEONE, UH, BRANDISHED A GUN AT HIM AND ACTUALLY ASSAULTED HIM. WERE THE, WAS THAT THE SAME INCIDENT OR TWO SEPARATE INCIDENTS? TWO SEPARATE INCIDENTS. AND WHEN HE WAS ASSAULTED, WAS THAT JUST ONE PERSON OR? SEVERAL. SEVERAL PEOPLE. OH, RIGHT. UM, DID YOU EVER AT THAT INSPECTION DEMAND FEES TO SECURE IT OFFLINE VACANT UNITS? NO. HAVE THERE BEEN ANY RECENT, OH, I'M SORRY. HAVE THERE BEEN ANY RECENT AVAILABLE CRIMES THAT HAVE OCCURRED? POST OUR LETTER, YES. AND WHAT ARE THOSE? CRIMINAL TRESPASS AND DAILY CONDUCT. ALRIGHT. BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE AS A DALLAS POLICE OFFICER AND A DETECTIVE ASSIGNED TO THE NUISANCE ABATEMENT TEAM, IS IT YOUR OPINION THAT THIS PROPERTY IS UNSAFE AND A PLACE KNOWN FOR HABITUAL CRIMINAL ACTIVITY? YES. AND IS IT YOUR [00:40:01] OPINION THAT THIS PROPERTY HAS NOT IMPLEMENTED REASONABLE STEPS NECESSARY TO ABATE SUCH CRIMES? YES. THANK YOU. DETECTIVE BINS. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE CROSS? I DO. IN FACT, DETECTIVE, YOU'RE ON THE HCP UNIT, CORRECT? YES. AND YOUR JOB IS TO FIND AND SUPPORT HCB VIOLATIONS, RIGHT? UH, ALSO WE INVESTIGATE, UH, JUST PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION. WE INVESTIGATE CRIMINAL PROB CRIMINAL ACTIVITY? YES. OKAY. AFTER THE FACT, RIGHT? AFTER THE FACT, YEAH. AND YOU'RE NOT THE INVESTIGATING OFFICER AT ANY OF THESE AGE CRIMES, ARE YOU? NO. UM, AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT DOCUMENTS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT RECORDS FROM DPD, CORRECT? YES. AND YOU AND I HAVE BEEN AT SEVERAL OF THESE HCPA COURT MEETINGS TOGETHER, RIGHT? CORRECT. LIKE A TRAVELING SHOW? YOU AND ME. OKAY. I'M SORRY. I CAN, THAT'S ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. HAVE YOU EVER FOUND, UM, I'M SORRY, CAN I STOP? IS MY TIME STILL RUNNING? IT SHOULD NOT BE. OKAY. DON'T WORRY. AND THIS, AND THIS IS COMING OUT OF HIS TIME? THAT'S TRUE. OKAY. THEY'RE ACTUALLY ON IT. YOU MEANT? UM, THANK YOU FOR, FOR THE CATCH. TRYING TO PULL UP AN EXHIBIT. SO MY MEMORY WAS THAT YOU WERE ABOUT FOUR MINUTES AND 38 SECONDS WHEN YOU STOPPED IN TERMS OF GIVING THE CITY BACK THEIR TIME. I THINK 4, 3 8. BUT SOMEBODY HAS A DIFFERENT SNAPSHOT IN THEIR HEAD. LET ME KNOW IF THAT'S OH 3 38. OKAY. THANK YOU. ONE. I WANNA MAKE SURE ALL OF THE, HIS CLOCK IS GONE. DO WE, DO WE HAVE A SENSE FOR HOW MUCH? 3 38 FOR THE CITY, BUT NOW I WANNA MAKE SURE I HAVE THE APPELLANTS CLOCK CORRECTLY. OKAY. WE'LL CALL IT AT 19 MINUTES. IS THAT OKAY WITH ALL OF YOU? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, YOU SAID THAT YOU, PART OF YOUR REVIEW IS TO PROVE THE OFFENSES OCCURRED. UM, WE'VE NEVER DISPUTED THAT THE OFFENSES OCCURRED. YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE SAME POLICE RECORDS WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT ALONG WITH BODY CAMERA AND INTERVIEWING DETECTIVES WHO WORKED ON THE CASE. OKAY. AND OFFICERS, YOU ACTUALLY INTERVIEWED THE DETECTIVES ON THESE EIGHT VERY MINOR CRIME? NOT EVERY PERSON. OKAY. NOT EVERY DETECTIVE, BUT I HAVE INTERVIEWED RESPONDENT OFFICERS AND SPOKE WITH THEM ABOUT THESE CRIMES. UM, ARE THOSE INTERVIEWS RECORDED ANYWHERE? NO, SIR. ISN'T IT TRUE THAT AS A POLICE OFFICER, WHEN YOU GO OUT TO INVESTIGATE AN INCIDENT AND YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO RECORD ALL MATERIAL INFORMATION ABOUT THAT INCIDENT? YEAH. WHEN YOU ARE ON THE INCIDENT, WHEN YOU'RE INVESTIGATING THAT INCIDENT, THIS IS AFTER THE FACT. I UNDERSTAND. THAT'S KIND OF MY POINT. DID YOU, YOU SAID YOU INTERVIEWED, YOU JUST SAID YOU INTERVIEWED PEOPLE. WHO DID YOU INTERVIEW OTHER THAN THE DETECTIVES ON THE MINOR CRIMES? I INTERVIEWED THE SECURITY GUARD ON THE PROPERTY. BESIDES THAT SECURITY GUARD, WHO ELSE DID YOU INTERVIEW? I INTER, I SPOKE WITH MANAGEMENT TEAM AS WELL. OKAY. SO YOU DIDN'T ACTUALLY INTERVIEW ANY RESIDENT OR ANY OCCUPANT OF ANY UNIT, CORRECT? NOT AT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. OKAY. UM, UH, IF I CAN READ MY OWN HANDWRITING, WHAT IS A MARK OUT CALL? A MARK OUT CALL IS AN INVESTIGATIVE CALL FOR OFFICERS. IT'S ALSO A DEPARTMENT, UH, INITIATED, UH, OPERATION AS WELL. SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE WERE OVER A THOUSAND MARK OUT CALLS FOR THIS UNIT THAT'S AT THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX? THAT'S POSSIBLE, YEAH. UH, MY QUESTION IST POSSIBLE IS, WAS THERE OVER A THOUSAND OR IS THAT JUST A NUMBER YOU PULLED OUT OF THE AIR? NO, THAT'S NOT A NUMBER. THAT'S A RECORDED. OKAY. WHERE ARE THOSE RECORDS? THOSE RECORDS ARE, YOU CAN GO GET 'EM. WELL, WE TRIED, Y'ALL WOULDN'T PRODUCE IT. YOU CAN GO TO THE RECORDS DEPARTMENT AND REQUEST 'EM AS WELL. OKAY. SO THERE'S EIGHT INCIDENTS OUT OF A THOUSAND CALLS AT THIS 300 PLUS UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX. IS THAT CORRECT? WHAT YOU HAVE 9 1 1 CALLS, WHICH IS PLACED BY CITIZENS. I'M JUST ASKING EIGHT. YOU CALLED EIGHT FROM A THOUSAND CALLS. WELL, THOSE ARE INCIDENTS IN WHICH THE POLICE WERE CALLED TO. WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU SEND OVER A THOUSAND, WE HAVE TO INCLUDE THE MARK OUTS. THE MARK OUTS ARE INITIATED BY ACTIVE POLICE OFFICERS PATROLLING IN THE AREA, OR IT'S A DEPARTMENT INITIATIVE FOR OFFICERS TO BE IN THAT AREA. IT'S GONNA BE LABELED AS A MARK OUT. THAT'S HOW YOU PROVE THAT THE OFFICER WAS IN THAT AREA AT THAT LOCATION. WHAT TIME AND HOW LONG THEY STAYED IN THAT AREA FOR. I UNDERSTAND, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EIGHT QUALIFYING OFFENSES, NOT A THOUSAND UNSPECIFIED [00:45:01] PHONE CALLS. RIGHT. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT OFFICER THAT YES OR NO OFFICER, EVERY, EVERY INCIDENT DOES NECESS NOT NECESSARILY CONSTRUCT THE WITNESS TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. PLEASE, YES, PLEASE. WOULD YOU RE-ASK? YES. YOU, THERE ARE EIGHT QUALIFYING INCIDENTS, NOT A THOUSAND UNSPECIFIED CALLS, CORRECT. EIGHT QUALIFYING INCIDENTS. YEAH. OKAY. UM, AND OF ALL THESE EIGHT, AND I'M NOT MINIMIZING ANY OF THEM, IF ANYBODY PULLED A GUN ON ME, I'M NOT SURE HOW I'D REACT. ACTUALLY, I'M PRETTY SURE HOW I REACT. IT WOULDN'T BE GOOD. THERE WAS ACTUALLY ONE MINOR INJURY FROM ALL OF THESE EIGHT FAULTS, CORRECT? DEPENDS ON WHAT INCIDENT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. WELL, I'M REFERRING TO THE EIGHT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO TAG MY CLIENT WITH $12,000 A MONTH. FOR WHICH INCIDENT ARE YOU PARTICULARLY REFERRING TO? I CAN'T IMAGINE THE EIGHT THAT YOU'RE RELYING ON. THERE'S ONE THAT SHOWED ONE POLICE RECORD THAT SHOWS AN INJURY. AM I, AM I, DID I MISS SOMETHING? YOU SAYING? MINOR INJURY. INJURY PERIOD. THERE WAS SEVERAL INCIDENTS THAT INCLUDED AN INJURED CITIZEN. OKAY. SO IF THERE WAS AN INJURY, IT WOULD BE ON THOSE POLICE REPORTS, CORRECT? YES. AND IF THERE WASN'T AN INJURY, THAT FACT WOULD ALSO BE REFLECTED, CORRECT? IT IS POSSIBLE. THERE WAS AN INJURY AND IT WASN'T REPORTED. OKAY. UM, I DON'T WANNA TAKE TOO MUCH MORE TIME AND I DO APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU'RE HEARING AND THAT YOU'RE DOING A GOOD JOB ON THIS. BUT, UM, THIS MAJOR DRUG BUST OF THAT ONE UNIT, THAT WAS ONE DRUG BUST CORRECT? WITHIN A 365 SPAN, UHHUH AND AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH OVER 300 UNITS, CORRECT? IF YOU THAT YES OR NO, ONE DRUG BUS FROM THAT PARTICULAR INCIDENT? YES, SIR. YES. ONE DRUG BUS IN THAT COMPLEX IN A ONE YEAR PERIOD, CORRECT? NO. YOU HAVE ACTUAL TWO AVAILABLE OFFENSES THAT OCCURRED PRIOR TO THAT. OKAY. AAT THAT LED TO THE SEARCH WARRANT. OKAY. AND THE PROBABLE CAUSE TO EXECUTE THE WARRANT FOR THAT PARTICULAR APARTMENT AND THAT PARTICULAR DRUG BUST UNDERSTOOD. BUT THE EIGHT QUALIFYING OFFENSES THAT PUT MY CLIENT INTO THE HC PROGRAM, HCP PROGRAM INVOLVED ONE DRUG BUST. RIGHT. IT'S ACTUALLY, UH, TWO ADDITIONAL, IT WAS AN ONGOING FEDERAL INVESTIGATION THROUGHOUT THE, AS I CONTINUED TO INVESTIGATE, THOSE WERE TWO, IT, IT COULD HAVE BEEN TWO ADDITIONAL AAT OFFENSES THAT OCCURRED FROM THAT ONE ADDITIONAL DRUG BUS. OKAY. COULD HAVE BEEN, BUT THAT WOULD BE IN THE POLICE REPORT, RIGHT? IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE POLICE REPORT. IT'S JUST NOT IN A PRESUMPTION. OKAY. YOU SAID THE GATES DIDN'T WORK AND YOU SHOWED A PICTURE OF ONE INOPERATIVE GATE, MAYBE TWO. IS THAT CORRECT? I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? YEAH. YOU SAID THE GATES DIDN'T WORK AND THEN HE SHOWED A PICTURE OF ONE, MAYBE TWO GATES. THAT'S MULTIPLE GATES. I ALSO HAVE BODY WORN CAMERA THAT CAN, THAT DEPICT EVERY SINGLE GATE THAT DOESN'T WORK ON THE PROPERTY. DO YOU HAVE DATES ON THOSE CAMS? DATES ON THE CAMERA? YEAH. YES. ON THE BODY WALL CAMERAS. SO ALL THAT EVIDENCE IS BEFORE THIS PANEL? CORRECT. OKAY. SO IF IT'S NOT IN THE RECORD, THEN IT DOESN'T EXIST. IS THAT FAIR ASSESSMENT? LET ME MOVE ON. I'M I'M RUNNING OUTTA TIME. UH, YOU COMPLAINED ABOUT THE LIGHTING, YOU COMPLAINED ABOUT LOITERING, YOU COMPLAINED ABOUT SOMETHING ON THE SOCCER FIELD. THE SOCCER FIELD'S NOT ON MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY. IS IT THE SOCCER FIELD'S IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR CLIENT'S PROPERTY? IS THAT STRIP CENTER ON MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY? I'M NOT SURE. UH, CAN YOU ZOOM IN ON THAT FOR ME PLEASE? I CAN'T. MAYBE SADE CAN, BUT YOU WOULD AGREE THERE'S A STRIP CENTER, UH, I THINK IT'S A LAVENDERY AND A C STORY IN THAT LITTLE AREA, CORRECT? YES. THERE'S ACTUALLY A TWO STORY. OKAY. AND TO BE CLEAR, I DON'T MEAN A STRIPPED JOINT, I MEAN A STRIPED CENTER SHOPS, BUT THAT'S NOT MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. AND YOU WOULD AGREE THERE IS PERIMETER OF FENCING, FENCING AROUND THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, CORRECT? IT'S FENCING, BUT OKAY. EASILY ASSESSABLE. HOW COME YOU DIDN'T RAISE ANY OF THESE ISSUES AT THE ACCORD MEETING? I ACTUALLY DID. THE RECORD WILL SHOW OTHERWISE. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. CHAIR, DO THANK YOU. REDIRECT? YES, PLEASE. UM, JUST BECAUSE THERE WERE EIGHT AB AVAILABLE OFFENSES, DOESN'T MEAN ALL THE CRIME THAT OCCURRED, IT'S THAT THE TEXAS LEGISLATOR HAS ENUMERATED 28 SPECIFIC AAT CRIMES. BUT IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT A LOT OF OTHER CRIME HAS OCCURRED ON THIS PROPERTY? YES. AND OPPOSING COUNSEL MADE A, UH, AN ISSUE OF AN INJURY. IS IT HARD TO QUANTIFY AN INJURY? DOES AN INJURY COUNT AS BEING LIKE AN ASSAULT IS JUST HAVING A GUN PULLED ON YOU? THAT IN AND OF ITSELF IS AN INJURY, YES. YOU DON'T, ALRIGHT. AND LASTLY, YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, THE AUGUST ABBA, THE CRIME, UH, I'M SORRY, THE DRUG CERT ACTUALLY RESULTED UPON YOUR FURTHER INVESTIGATION TO ADDITIONAL ABBAS. IF I COULD SHARE MY SCREEN. UM, COULD YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MAYBE WHY THOSE WEREN'T IN THE INITIAL PRESUMPTION LETTER? UH, FURTHER [00:50:01] INVESTIGATION REVEALED THAT THIS WAS AN ONGOING, THIS IS CURRENTLY AN ONGOING FEDERAL INVESTIGATION. SO, UH, THESE, SOME OF THESE REPORTS WERE NOT AVAILABLE TO ME AT THE TIME. SO CURRENTLY THERE IS AN ONGOING FEDERAL INVESTIGATION STEMMED FROM. OKAY, THAT'S FINE. WE DID, WE DID INCLUDE IN THE EVIDENCE PACKET THESE ADDITIONAL OFFENSES THAT OCCURRED ON, ON AUGUST 15TH AND AUGUST 6TH TO THE BOARD AND TO OPPOSING COUNSEL. SO IS IT FAIR IF YOU HAD, BECAUSE OF THE FEDERAL INVESTIGATION, YOU WERE UNAWARE OF THEM, BUT IF YOU HAD BEEN, WOULD THAT HAVE BUMPED UP THE NUMBER OF AVAILABLES FOR THIS PROPERTY TO A TOTAL OF 10? YES. THANK YOU, DEAR. I MEAN, THANK YOU DETECTIVE ROBERT, LET ME, UH, STOP FOR FOR A MINUTE. THIS IS A QUESTION OF THE BOARD. I, IT'S MY OPINION THAT BOTH COUNCILS HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB OF STICKING STRAIGHT TO THE POINTS IN HAND THAT I'M LOOKING AT THE, AT THE TIME. UM, AND I, I WOULD ASK BOTH SIDES WHETHER YOU WOULD BENEFIT EACH FROM, UH, AN EXTRA FIVE MINUTES. UH, ABSOLUTELY. UH, SO NOW THIS IS UP TO THE BOARD. DOES, DOES ANYONE ON THE BOARD OBJECT TO ALLOWING FIVE MINUTES EACH? OKAY. SO IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND ADDING FIVE MINUTES HERE AND THEN WE'LL ADD FIVE UH, MINUTES TO THE APPELLANTS AS WELL. SO THAT MAKES US, YEAH. AND THEN WHERE'S THE APPELLANTS? SO 1711 IS AFTER. OKAY. OKAY. SO AM I FREE TO USE THE TIME NOW? YOU CAN USE IT HOWEVER YOU WANT. OKAY. IN CROSS-EXAMINATION. AND, AND THEN YOU, YOU'RE STILL OKAY, CO-COUNSEL WILL ASK FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO DO JUST A BRIEF REDIRECT IF, IF I CAN HAVE YOUR INDULGENCE. YOU ARE REDIRECT. ALRIGHT, GOOD. UM, DETECTIVE ROBBINS, UM, YOU, UH, WE, WE ALL AGREE THAT THERE ARE EIGHT AVAILABLE OFFENSES DURING THE LOOKBACK PERIOD, RIGHT? YES. AND THERE WERE OVER A THOUSAND MARK OUTS, WEREN'T THERE? YES. WOULD POLICE MARK OUT AT A PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING PROACTIVE? YES. UM, SO IF THERE OVER A THOUSAND TIMES DALLAS POLICE HAD TO RESPOND TO THIS PROPERTY DURING THAT ONE YEAR PERIOD, THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO PREVENT THERE BEING MORE THAN EIGHT AVAILABLES, RIGHT? YES. AND ISN'T IT POSSIBLE THAT THERE ARE ONLY EIGHT AVAILABLES BECAUSE THE POLICE HAVE SPENT SUCH AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OVER THEIR, THEIR OWN RESOURCES MARKING OUT AT THIS PROPERTY? YES. AND ISN'T IT TRUE THAT I THINK EVERYBODY HAS ADMITTED THAT THE BIG PROBLEM IS, UH, AGGRAVATED ASSAULTS, RIGHT? YES. AND DROVE THE OFFENSE. SO IT'S GREAT THAT THEY TOW CARS. IT'S GREAT THAT THEY HAVE A CTA, BUT IF THEY WOULD FIX THEIR GATES, PEOPLE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET ONTO THE PROPERTY TO COMMIT THE FENCES. ISN'T THAT TRUE? YES. OR IF THEY DON'T WANT TO FIX THE GATES, THEY CAN GET SECURITY, RIGHT? YEAH. THEY CAN HIRE A RELIABLE SECURITY COMPANY. SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF, OF, OF BA OF, UH, REASONABLE MEASURES THAT WOULD ACTUALLY ADDRESS THE PROBLEM THAT THEY HAVE, RIGHT? YES. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, JUST WANNA BE CLEAR AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE FACTS. SO, FUNCTIONAL GATES IS IMPORTANT TO THE CITY OF DALLAS, CORRECT? IT'S A METHOD TO PREVENT CRIME FROM OCCURRING ON YOUR PROPERTY. HARD TARGET. SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU, DETECTIVE, I APOLOGIZE. UM, AND THOSE GATES AND THE PERIMETER FENCING ARE INTENDED TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY, FROM COMING ONTO THE PROPERTY, CORRECT? YES. OKAY. AND OF THE EIGHT ABATE OFFENSES, AND BY THE WAY, WE DON'T AGREE THEY'RE ALL QUALIFYING BECAUSE ONE HAPPENED IN DESOTO ALMOST. UM, OF THE SEVEN, DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT ANY OF THEM OTHER THAN A DRUG OFFENSE INVOLVED A RESIDENT EXCEPT AS A VICTIM OUTSIDE THE SEARCH WARRANTS THAT WAS EXECUTED? IF YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY, YOU HAVE A RESIDENT THERE, BUT, UH, THERE ARE SOME TENANTS INVOLVED WITH THE AGGRAVATED ASSAULT OKAY. AS VICTIMS, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. NONE OF THEM WERE THE PERPETRATOR? CORRECT? IN THE FEW REPORTS YOU HAVE, UH, RELATIONSHIPS THAT HAVE WENT ON WHERE THEY WERE USED TO BE TENANTS, OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER MYSTERIOUS DOCUMENTS OR ALLEGATIONS THAT WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF TODAY? I'M UNAWARE OF THAT. OKAY. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE, UM, FURTHER WITNESSES YOU'D LIKE TO RECALL? NO. CHAIR. OKAY. SO YOU ASKED YOU, UH, YES. OKAY. SORRY. UM, OKAY. UM, MR. GIBSON, MS. LEWIS, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL JENNIFER ALLEN. WHERE DO YOU WANT HER? WELL, UH, IF SHE WANTS TO STAND, [00:55:01] SHE, CAN SHE SIT, UH, NEXT TO YOU GUYS? WHATEVER YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH, DO ENGLISH STYLE, PUT HER IN THE DOCK AND MAKE HER STAND. YOU KNOW, IF IT WERE ME I WOULD SIT, BUT, BUT WE, WE HEAR, UH, WE AIM TO PLEASE. SO WHATEVER, WHATEVER IS YOU'VE BEEN SWORN IN. MAY I PROCEED? MS. ALLEN, STATE YOUR FULL NAME PLEASE. ROSE ALLEN. AND WHAT IS YOUR INVOLVEMENT IN THIS PROPERTY OR WITH THIS PROPERTY? I, I MADE A MISTAKE. I'M VERY, VERY SORRY. UH, UH, UM, I, UM, I'M SORRY. I, I JUST GOT INVOLVED THE, THE, THE BOARD. UH, I, I NEEDED TO OFFER THE BOARD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTION. I, I'M SORRY. UM, SO, UM, WE GO BACK TO THE CITY, UH, THAT'S ON ME, THE CHAIR. SO, UM, BOARD MEMBERS, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? I'LL START WITH MR. SAXON? YES. THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME TODAY, DETECTIVE ROBBINS FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME OKAY? GOOD. OKAY. UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO GET SOME DETAILS STRAIGHT. SO, UM, FROM DECEMBER, UH, 14TH OF 2022 UNTIL DECEMBER 14TH, 2024, THAT'S OUR HISTORICAL TIME PERIOD THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT CRIMES, CORRECT? THAT WAS 19TH, SORRY? DECEMBER 19TH, YES. DECEMBER 19TH, 2024 TO DECEMBER 19TH, 2025. THANK YOU. UM, FOR THE YEAR LOOK BACK PERIOD, THAT WOULD BE DECEMBER 19TH, 2024 TO 2025. UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU HAVE PRESENTED, UM, EIGHT AVAILABLE OFFENSES IN YOUR EVIDENCE DURING THAT ONE YEAR PERIOD. THANK YOU. UM, AND YOU HAVE PRESENTED 13 ADDITIONAL OFFENSES IN THE PERIOD, UH, TWO YEARS PRIOR TO YES, SIR. THANK YOU. UM, THE THIRD ITEM I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. UM, WHEN YOU PRESENTED THE HCP UH, NOTICE LETTER, ANYTHING AFTER THAT WAS NOT CONSIDERED IN YOUR HCP DESIGNATION, FINAL DETERMINATION? IS THAT CORRECT? CAN YOU CLARIFY THE QUESTION FOR ME PLEASE? AFTER YOU HAD PRESENTED THE NOTICE LETTER TO THE APPELLANT MM-HMM. UM, ANYTHING THAT THEY DID AFTER THAT WAS NOT USED IN YOUR HCP FINAL DETERMINATION? NO, IT WAS NOT. AND FROM YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY, IT SOUNDED LIKE WHAT THEY DID PRESENT TO YOU BETWEEN DECEMBER 19TH, 2024 AND DECEMBER 19TH, 2025 IN TERMS OF HOW THEY ARE TRYING TO GET RID OF THE VEHICLE CRIMES DID NOT MATCH WHAT YOU THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE? CORRECT. OKAY. UM, THAT'S, CAN I RESERVE MY TIME OR JUST USE IT? OKAY. I'M GOOD, THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE ANOTHER TWO MINUTES. UM, UH, MS. AYALA, NO QUESTIONS. UM, MS. TORRES, MS. THOMAS DIDN'T, SHE DID JOIN. MS. THOMAS, ARE YOU THERE? I I NEED YOUR VIDEO ON MS. THOMAS. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU CAN HEAR ME. UM, WE WILL, UH, COME BACK TO YOU IF YOU POP ON. UM, SO THAT, THAT GETS US TO MS. TORRES. THANK YOU CHAIR . THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. UH, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO SECURITY ON, YOU MENTIONED THE, UH, LOCATION ONLY HAS ONE FULL-TIME SECURITY, CORRECT? PART-TIME. I'M SORRY. THEY HAVE ONE PART-TIME SECURITY OFFICER WHO COMES OVERNIGHT. OKAY. SO IT'S ONLY PART-TIME. SO THEY'RE ONLY PATROLLING THE PREMISES IN THE, IN THE NIGHT, AND HE IS UNARMED, CORRECT? YES. BASED ON YOUR, UM, EXPERIENCE, WHAT SHOULD A [01:00:01] PROPERTY WITH OVER 300 UNITS OF THIS SIZE WITH THIS KIND OF POLICE ACTIVITY ON SITE HAVE AS SECURITY? WITH THE ACTIVITY ON THE PROPERTY, A PROPERTY OF THAT SIZE SHOULD HAVE TWO ARMED SECURITY GUARDS ON THE PROPERTY AT ALL TIME AND THE SECURITY VEHICLE VEHICLE. OKAY. AND THEN THE, IT, THE, THEY SHOW A PICTURE OR WE SHOW, WE SEE A PICTURE OF THE DPD CAMERA ON SITE. UM, WHO REVIEWS THAT CAMERA? JUST DPD. OUR, YES. DPD OUR DALLAS FUSION UNIT, UH, CAN VIEW THAT CAMERA LIVE LIVESTREAM, AND WHEN THERE'S AN ACTIVE INVESTIGATION, WE CAN GET UPDATE. OKAY. AND IS THAT WHERE SOME OF THESE CALLS ARE COMING FROM? UH, I FORGET WHAT THEY'RE CON CONSIDERED THESE THOUSAND, UH, MARK CALLS, UH, POSSIBLY. UH, SOMEONE CAN BE LIVE STREAMING THE CAMERA, USE SOME SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY IN ON THE PROPERTY, UH, WHICH WILL DISPATCH OFFICER THERE. OKAY. AND DPD MAKES A DECISION TO PUT THIS SPECIFIC TYPE OF DEVICE? UM, WITH, WITH PROPERTY OWNER CONSENT OR WITHOUT? UH, WITHOUT. OKAY. UM, AND THEN, UH, IN THEIR SECURITY DESCRIPTIONS FROM THEIR SECURITY GUARDS, I SEE A LOT OF TALK ABOUT HOMELESSNESS ON SITE. UM, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT TO WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING IN THAT ARE HOMELESS TO BE ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY? IS THAT LIKE A BIG ISSUE FROM, FROM READING POLICE REPORTS AND REVIEWING BODY CAMERA? YOU HAVE EVERY CLASS. YOU HAVE ABUNDANT CLASSES OF CITIZENS COMING ONTO THE PROPERTY, NOT JUST HOMELESS. OKAY. AND YOU BELIEVE THAT, AND CAN YOU SUMMARIZE WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO PREVENT, UM, BECAUSE APPELLANT SAYS IT, SOME OF THESE CRIMES ARE, YOU KNOW, DONE BY SOMEONE THAT'S NOT A TENANT. SO HOW WOULD A SITE THIS BIG PREVENT NON TENANTS FROM COMING ONTO THIS SITE? YOU CAN HARDEN YOUR TARGET BY HAVING SECURE GATES ON THE PROPERTY. YEAH, THAT HAPPENS. UH, PLEASE FINISH YOUR ANSWER. UH, FUNCTIONAL GATES, WHICH ARE SECURE, UH, HAVE SECURITY MONITORING AND PATROLLING THE PROPERTY ON SITE. THIS CAN PREVENT A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM LOWERING ONTO THE PROPERTY AND COMING DOWN TO THE PROPERTY UNAUTHORIZED. THANK YOU, DETECTIVE. THANK YOU. UM, MS. TOR, MR. JEFFERSON, UH, YEAH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR THE DETECTIVE. UM, HAVE YOU NOTED ANY COMPLIANCE ON THE OTHER PART OF THE PARTY SINCE, UH, YOU NOTED, UH, ABATEMENTS? THEY HAVE, UH, UPGRADED THEIR CAMERA SYSTEM AND ADDED, UH, SEVERAL CAMERAS TO THEIR SYSTEM, AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY IN THE WORKS OF, UH, MEETING THE LETTER TO ADD FOUR MORE CAMERAS ONTO THE PROPERTY. AND, UM, AND NO RESPONSE TO SECURITY. NO OFFENSES FENCE REPAIR. NO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, DR. JACKSON, I JUST HAVE ONE, UH, CLARIFYING AS ASK. UH, WHEN YOU USUALLY INVESTIGATE THOSE ISSUES OUT THERE, DO YOU OCCASIONALLY, UH, INTERVIEW THE, AT THE ATTENDANCE THERE? THERE ARE SOME TIMES WHEN YOU'RE DOING AN INSPECTION OR YOU'RE DOING A SPOT CHECK ON THE PROPERTY, YOU CAN INTERVIEW AT TENANTS COMING OUT. THERE ARE TIMES WHERE I HAVE INTERVIEWED DEPENDENT DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROPERTY WHERE I HAVE COME ACROSS TENANT AND HAD INTERVIEWS AND ASKED ABOUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE ON THE PROPERTY. THANK YOU. AND, UM, BECAUSE ALL THESE OTHER OFFENSES THAT OCCURRED, UM, AND SPEAKING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, HAVE YOU, HAVE THEY TAKEN AN INITIATIVE IN, UH, PREVENTING SOME OF THE HOMES, HOMELESSNESS, ENTERING THOSE, UH, THAT PROPERTY? IT'S HARD TO TAKE A MEASUREMENT OF THAT AT THIS POINT OF THE ONGOING PROCESS. THANK YOU. NO FURTHER BREACH. MR. JEFFS NO QUESTIONS. CHAIR. THANK YOU MR. CRON? YES. UH, DETECTIVE ROBBINS, UH, IN YOUR, UH, REVIEW OF THIS PROPERTY, DID YOU NOTE, OTHER THAN THE A DEBATABLE, UH, OFFENSES, DID YOU NOTE ANY, UH, CODE VIOLATIONS? I HAVE, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE A QUESTION MORE FOR OUR CODE INSPECTOR WHO CAN CLASSIFY 'EM APPROPRIATELY. [01:05:01] OKAY, BUT YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF ANY? I I AM. I CAN, I CAN SPOT 'EM, BUT I CAN'T GIVE YOU A APPROPRIATE VIOLATION, THE NAME OF IT. OKAY. I WAS THERE WITH THE INSPECTOR WHO POINTED THEM OUT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MR. QUINT. THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, THANK YOU DETECTIVE FOR BEING HERE TODAY. WE APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY. UM, WE HAD OVER A THOUSAND MARK OUT CALLS WHEN THERE'S THAT MANY MARK OUT CALLS, WOULD YOU CONSIDER THE PROPERTY A SEVERE CRIME PROPERTY? WHEN YOU TAKE A, IT'S A TOTALITY OF A SITUATION WHEN YOU REVIEW THE POLICE REPORT, WHAT'S ACTUAL GOING ON AND RECORDED ON THE PROPERTY AND OBSERVATIONS THROUGHOUT THOROUGH INVESTIGATIONS FROM PATROL OFFICERS TO SPECIALIZED UNIT, YOU TAKE THOSE MARK OUTS AND MAKE AN ASSESSMENT FROM MAKING THAT ASSESSMENT. I, I, I UNDERSTAND DETECTIVE, BUT IT WAS MORE OF A YES OR NO ANSWER. WOULD YOU CONSIDER IT A SEVERE CRIME PROPERTY? YES. THANK YOU, SIR. SO WHEN Y'ALL PUT A POLICE CAMERA TOWER OUT, IS THAT ALSO INDICATIVE OF A VERY SEVERE CRIME PROPERTY? YES. UM, WOULD YOU SAY THAT ONE UNARMED GUARD WAS A FAILURE TO REALLY SECURE THE PROPERTY? YES. UM, AND BEING PART-TIME, WE KNOW AT LEAST THROUGHOUT THE DAYTIME, THERE'S NO SECURITY THERE. CORRECT? I HAVEN'T OBSERVED SECURITY THERE THROUGHOUT THE DAYTIME. ALL RIGHT. UM, SO, UM, THE, THE APPELLANTS, UH, COUNSEL TOOK THE POSITION THAT, WELL, MAINLY NON TENANTS ARE DOING THESE CRIMES, UM, IN THE, IN THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW. DOES IT MATTER WHETHER IT'S TENANTS OR NON TENANTS THAT ARE COMMITTING THESE SERIOUS CRIMES ABS? NO. ALL RIGHT. SO CRIME IS CRIME, CORRECT? YES. AND THE, THE APPELLANT'S COUNSEL BROUGHT UP THAT THERE IS FENCING AROUND THE PROPERTY. UM, YOUR PICTURES FROM THE CITY SHOWED THERE WERE FOUR DIFFERENT GATES, IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY, THAT WERE NOT EITHER, UH, CLOSED OR IN WORKING ORDER. WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? THEY, THEY HAVE WELL OVER FOUR BUT NONE OF 'EM WERE WORKING PROPERLY. OKAY. SO IN YOUR OPINION, WOULD YOU SAY THIS PROPERTY WAS SECURED FROM OUTSIDE? NO. UM, AND WAS ANY OF THE FENCING ITSELF MISSING SECTIONS OR PARTS? YES. SO IN ESSENCE, THE FENCING THEY HAVE UP IS TOTALLY INADEQUATE, CORRECT? YES. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU DETECTIVE. APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE. THANK MS. SHIN. NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. MR. GONZALEZ. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. SO, ACCORDING TO THE HABITUAL CRIMINAL, UH, AND NUISANCE PROPERTY, UH, ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE HERE, IT SAYS THAT WE AS A PERMANENT LICENSING APPEAL BOARD ARE LIMITED ON THE ISSUES, UM, WHETHER THE PRESUMPTIONS IN SECTION 27 DASH 48 ARE SATISFIED. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY ARE NOT DENYING THAT THESE CRIMES TOOK PLACE. SO THE ONLY ONE ON HERE, TO ME THAT MAKES SENSE TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT IS WHETHER, UH, IT'S PRESUMED TO HAVE KNOWINGLY TOLERATED THOSE CRIMINAL, UH, ACTIVITY OR HAS FAILED TO TAKE REASONABLE STEPS. SO, CAN YOU TELL ME OF THE STEPS THAT THEY DID TAKE? CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT STEPS, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY DID TAKE DURING THAT 365 DAYS, NOT BEFORE OR AFTER, AND WHAT STEPS YOU THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE TAKEN? UH, THEY INITIATED SECURITY CONTRACT. I THINK THEY NEED TO, UH, PROVIDE A MORE STRONG SECURITY PRESENCE. OBVIOUSLY ARMED TWO MAN FOR A ONE MAN ARMED SECURITY GUARD CAN'T HANDLE A 300 PLUS UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX, OBVIOUSLY REPAIRING THE GATES. UH, AND THEY CAN IMPROVE THEIR, UH, VIDEO SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM, WHICH THEY'RE WORKING ON AS WELL. AND THEY CAN ADD ADEQUATE LIGHTING THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY. SO YOU SAID REPAIR GATES, IMPROVE THE VIDEO SECURITY, VIDEO SECURITY CAMERAS, AND THEN ALSO THE GATES, AND THEN ADD EXTRA SECURITY GUARDS. SO IS THERE ANY OF THOSE THAT THEY HAVE NOT COMPLETED SO FAR? YOU SAID THEY WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF DOING THE VIDEO. UM, CAMERAS. THEY DID HIRE A GUARD, BUT IT'S NOT SUFFICIENT. UM, HAVE ANY OF THE GATES BEEN REPAIRED? ARE YOU ASKING HAVE THE GATES BEEN REPAIRED? YES. SINCE OUR LAST INSPECTION THOUGH. NO. WHEN WAS YOUR LAST INSPECTION? LAST WEEK. OKAY. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. UH, DETECTIVE DI, WHEN THE, UM, WHEN THE DECISION IS MADE [01:10:01] A, AFTER THE ACCORD HEARING IN, IN THIS CASE, ARE YOU THE PERSON WHO MADE THAT DECISION? I UNDERSTAND IT COMES FROM THE, FROM THE CHIEF, BUT, BUT ARE YOU THE, THE PERSON WHO, WHO ULTIMATELY DECIDES WHETHER THE, UH, WHETHER TO ISSUE THE FINAL DESIGNATION? IT'S A COMBINED DECISION WITH MY CHAIN OF COMMAND AND THE CITY. AND, UH, YES, I'M THE ONE WHO PRESENTS THE EVIDENCE PROVIDED AND I ISSUE MY DECISION TO MY CHAIN OF COMMAND AND THEY APPROVED OF HIM. AND SO YOU THINK IT'S THE RIGHT DECISION? YOU WERE PART OF THAT? YES, I WAS A PART OF THAT, SIR. DID, DID YOU HAVE ACCESS KNOWING THAT TO THE, AT THE TIME, TO, TO THE FULL RECORD? THERE'S SOME, SOME PROCESS DISCUSSION HERE ABOUT HAVING MADE DECISIONS. HAD YOU MADE YOUR FINAL INSPECTION WHEN, WHEN YOU MADE THE, THE FINAL DECISION? IT'S AN ONGOING PROCESS OR ONGOING INSPECTION? A FINAL INSPECTION. YOU STILL INSPECT THE PROPERTY AFTER YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION AFTER? YEAH. SO WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION AND YOU DESIGNATE THE PROPERTY, IT'S A CP, YOU CONTINUE TO INSPECT THE PROPERTY AND ENSURE THAT THEY'RE, UH, IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE PROVIDE. OKAY. I DON'T MEAN THAT YOU JUST STOP WORKING ON IT'S, BUT, BUT, BUT BEFORE YOU, BEFORE YOU MAKE THAT DECISION, UHHUH , BECAUSE THAT'S FOR OUR STANDPOINT. THAT'S, THAT'S THE CUTOFF ACTUALLY. DO YOU DO A PHYSICAL IN INSPECTION THERE? THERE'S, I MEAN, LOOK AT WHAT'S ON THE GROUND, RIGHT? I MEAN, OH, I'M SORRY. THERE'S NO INSPECTION REQUIRED. IT'S THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS. YOU CAN DO SEVERAL INSPECTIONS BEFORE MAKING A FINAL DECISION, BUT BEFORE YOU MAKE A FINAL DECISION, IT'S, IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO GO OUT THERE AND MAKE THAT FINAL INSPECTION. PRIOR TO MAKING A FINAL DECISION, YOU HAVE SEVERAL INSPECTIONS, WHICH YOU HAVE TO DO ON THE PROPERTY. WE WANT TO GET A CLEAR ASSESSMENT OF THE PROPERTY AND HOW THE PROPERTY LOOKS IN ITS NATURAL HABITAT AND WHAT'S ON THE PROPERTY THAT'S GONNA TAKE DATE, DATE INSPECTION, NIGHT INSPECTION, MIDDAY INSPECTION, BUSY SLOW TIME, UH, ALL THROUGHOUT HOURS OF THE DAY. YOU WANT TO TAKE A VIEW OF THIS PROPERTY AND SEE WHAT THEY PRESENT? YEAH, I'M UP, I'M UP AGAINST TIME HERE. I I I'M LOOKING IN THE, IN THE RECORD, AND IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THERE WAS A JAN 14 PRECOR ON SITE INSPECTION, WHICH WOULD'VE HAPPENED PRIOR TO THE ACCORD MEETING. YES. UH, YOU, ONE, YOU SENT OUT THAT PRESUMPTION LETTER. SOMETIMES, UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE OWNER OR THE STAKEHOLDER OF THE PROPERTY GET TOGETHER AND CODE AND FIRE, UH, GO OUT THERE AND INSPECT THE PROPERTY. AND WHEN YOU MADE THE FINAL DECISION AFTER THE, THE ACCORD. WELL, I'LL, I'LL COME BACK ON THE SECOND. THANK YOU. OKAY. THE TWO MINUTE ROUND. UM, MR. SACKER HAS NO QUESTION. OKAY. UM, MS. AYALA, NO QUESTIONS. UH, MS. THOMAS, I'LL, I'LL STILL GIVE MS. THOMAS, WE SKIPPED YOU ON THREE MINUTES SINCE NOBODY'S ACTUALLY DONE A TWO MINUTE. UH, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, WE CANNOT HEAR YOU. WE SEE YOU. NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. STILL TRYING TO GET SITUATED HERE. WELL, WE SEE YOU IN HEARING, SO THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. OH, GREAT. GREAT. UM, MS. TORRES? YES. I HAVE A COUPLE FOLLOW UPS. UH, DETECTIVE ROBBINS, WHAT IS THE HISTORY OF THE DESIGNATION OF THIS PROPERTY AS, UM, HCP? WOULD THIS BE THE FIRST TIME? NOT, NOT IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS. I CAN'T RECALL. OKAY. SO IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, IT'S NOT BEEN DESIGNATED HCP BEFORE? RIGHT. IT WAS INVESTIGATED IN THE PAST, BUT IT WASN'T DESIGNATED. OKAY. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING. OKAY. AND HAVE YOU MET THE OWNERSHIP AT THE COURT MEETING? YES, I MET REPRESENT REPRESENTATION. YOU MET REPRESENTATION. UM, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WERE THEY LIKE MANAGEMENT ON SITE? LIKE WHO IS REQUIRED TO GO TO THIS ACCORD MEETING AND WHO ACTUALLY WENT? UH, YOU HAVE THE LEGAL REPRESENTATION, UH, STAKEHOLDERS ON THE PROP FOR THE PROPERTY AND MANAGEMENT TEAM AS WELL. OKAY. AT OTHER MANAGEMENT. OKAY. OWNER IS THE ONLY ONE WHO'S REQUIRED TO ATTEND THE, UH, ACCORD MEETING. OKAY. AND OWNER WAS THERE. IT'S A ENTITY, SO A REPRESENTATIVE, BUT, [01:15:01] UM, SORRY. OH, RIGHT, RIGHT. UM, UM, WOULD IT HAVE MATTERED OR WOULD IT HAVE CHANGED SOMETHING IF YOU WOULD'VE, THIS IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. UM, INTERVIEWED TENANTS ON SITE ABOUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE RE YOU KNOW, IN REGARDS TO THIS, UM, INVESTIGATION FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, UH, I BELIEVE WE HAD ENOUGH TO MAKE A DETERMINATION WITH WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN FRONT OF US AND A HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY AND EVERYTHING THAT WAS CRIMINALLY GOING ON, ON THE PROPERTY WITHOUT ANY OFFICIAL, LIKE, WITHOUT INTERVIEWING ANY TENANTS. OKAY. AND, UM, WHAT DO YOU KNOW? WELL, THANK YOU. GO AHEAD AND GO AHEAD AND FINISH YOUR QUESTION AND THEN LET HIM ANSWER. UM, I WAS GONNA ASK, WHAT DO YOU KNOW OF THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE CHANGE IN MANAGEMENT? 'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THEY CHANGED MANAGEMENT. UM, DO THEY JUST SEEM TO BE MORE PROACTIVE NOW THAT THEY HAVE NEW MANAGEMENT? UH, IT'S THE SAME MANAGEMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU DETECTIVE. OKAY. UM, MR. JEFFERSON, NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. DR. CHATS? UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN BRING IT UP. I DO HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTION. I, I, UM, HEARD YOU SAY, UM, THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME THE HCP, SO I WAS LOOKING AT, UM, THE EXHIBIT THAT PREVIOUSLY, WHY, WHAT WAS THE REASON WHY IT WASN'T NEVER BROUGHT UP FOR THE 2022 AND JUST DECIDED THAT THIS, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION ACCURATELY. UH, I DON'T KNOW THE REASON SOMETIMES. UH, SO, UH, THERE'S A TRIAGE PROCESS AND THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF DALLAS, OUR DEPARTMENT AND CITIZENS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS. AND SOMEWHERE THROUGHOUT THAT PIPELINE, THEY BECAME AWARE THAT THIS PROPERTY NEEDED TO BE, UH, ELEVATED TO OUR ATTENTION. THANK YOU. UM, MR. JEFFS NO QUESTIONS. MR. CROW? NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. MR. QUINT? NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. CHAIR. MS. SHIN? NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR. GONZALEZ. I, I DIDN'T, BUT JUST NOW THAT HE SAID THAT, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT HE JUST SAID IS, SO THERE WERE CITIZEN COMPLAINTS OR RESNICK COMPLAINTS DURING THIS TIME. SHE ASKED, WHY WASN'T THE, UH, PROPERTY EL ESCALATED TO OUR ATTENTION PRIOR TO, UH, 2020? YES. SO PRIOR TO FOR 22 AND 24? YEAH. AND YOU SAID THAT THERE WERE TIME FOR ASSISTANCE TO GET FEEDBACK. SO WAS THERE FEEDBACK GIVEN BY RESIDENTS OR CITIZENS THAT WOULD'VE LED THIS TO THIS? NOT NE, I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THAT INFORMATION. I WAS SPEAKING ON THE PROCESS OF HOW A PROPERTY IS ELEVATED TO OUR OFFICE. IT CAN COME FROM CITIZEN COMPLAINTS, DEPARTMENTAL COMPLAINTS, OR JUST PURE REQUIRING RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS. BUT ACCORDING TO WHAT WE KNOW RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE NO, NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, DETECTIVE, UH, FAST, UM, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE, UM, THESE, UH, AVAILABLE, UH, EVENTS THAT, THAT ARE ON, ON YOUR NOTICE LETTER, WERE ANY OF THEM THE RESULT OF A CALL FROM THE, FROM THE OWNER OR THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE? UH, YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE ONE CRIMINAL TRESPASS SECURITY GUARD, UH, CALLED FOR DPD ASSISTANCE DUE TO HOMELESS, OR APPEARED TO BE HOMELESS PERSON INSIDE OF VACANT RESIDENCE. WAS BEING A HOMELESS, UH, HOMELESS ON YOUR PROPERTY, ONE OF THE AVAILABLE EVENTS. IS IT T TRESPASSING? IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE CRIMINAL TRESPASS. SO THAT WAS INITIATED BY THE APP THAT YOU APPELLANT? YES. THE, YES, THE INVESTIGATION WAS INITIATED. WHAT YOU ARE A DETECTIVE, WHAT IS AN NPO? THE NPO WORKS WITH THE AREA AS A WHOLE. UH, THEY WORK AS A COMMUNITY, UH, MEMBER TO BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND A PARTICULAR COMMUNITY THAT THEY WORK IN. AS A PART OF THE CITY, A DETECTIVE, WE THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATE ACTIVITY THAT OCCURS AND CRIMINAL ACTIVITY TO BE PRECISE IN THIS UNIT. THAT'S WHAT WE INVESTIGATE. WE ARE SITE SPECIFIC WHERE, UH, NPO IS MORE LOCATION BASED AS FAR AS A AREA IS AN NPO AT LEAST FOCUSED [01:20:01] ON MAYBE A WIDER AREA THAN A SITE, BUT A CONFINED DEFINED YES. AREA? YES. NPO HOLDS COMMUNITY EVENTS. UH, THEY HAVE ACCESS TO REVIEW CERTAIN, UH, CRIME STATISTICS THAT OCCUR IN THAT AREA, BUT WE REVIEW MORE PARTICULAR THINGS THAT OCCUR ON THAT AREA. DEEP DIVE. DO YOU TEND, SORRY ABOUT THAT. DO, DO YOU TEND TO, TO, UM, DEVALUE WHEN IT COMES TO LAW ENFORCEMENT QUESTIONS, THE, THE EVALUATION OF AN NPO RELATIVE TO A DETECTIVE? I WOULDN'T DEVALUE. I JUST, I THINK WE JUST HAVE TWO DIFFERENT KNOWLEDGE POINTS OF WHAT, WHAT WE, WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT AT THE MOMENT. WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT OBJECTIVES. THANK YOU. UH, THAT IS QUESTIONING. AND NOW, UH, I'M SORRY. I'M, UH, HOW ABOUT WE TAKE FULL 10 OR FIVE? UH, LOOK, YEAH. WELL, YEAH. LISTEN, THE, UH, PERMANENT AND LICENSE APPEAL BOARD IS IN RECESS UNTIL 10:10 AM IT IS 10:05 AM OKAY. NANCY, WHEN YOU ARE READY TO RESTART, WE RECORDING. SHE'LL SAY HI. YEAH. WHICH SHE'S GONNA SAY HI AND INTERRUPT SOON. TOP? NO. OKAY. OKAY. IT IS, UH, 10:17 AM PERMIT LICENSE APPEAL BOARD IS BACK IN SESSION. UH, IT IS THE APPELLANT'S TURN. SO, MR. UH, MR. GIBBS, THANK YOU. WHICH OF THOSE FOX IS MINE? NOT THE TWO MINUTES? I DIDN'T THINK SO. . OKAY. THAT LOOKS, WE WERE MAKING AN ATTEMPT TO, TO UNDO THAT. NO WORRIES. THANK YOU. MS. ALLEN. UM, YOU MENTIONED YOUR NAME. WHAT IS YOUR PROPERTY? I SERVE AS THE ASSET MANAGER ON BEHALF OF THE INVESTMENT FUND THAT, UH, IS NOW THE CONTROLLING MEMBER ENTITY. OKAY. THIS NEXT BIT IS GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED AND YOU HAD TO WALK ME THROUGH IT THREE OR FOUR TIMES BEFORE I GOT IT. SO EXPLAIN HOW YOUR CURRENT, YOUR CLIENT CAME TO BE INVOLVED. WHEN AND WHY. SO, MY CLIENT REPRESENTS AN INVESTMENT FUND THAT MADE A PREFERRED EQUITY INVESTMENT IN THE ASSET TIDES ON LARGA IN LATE 2023 IN JANUARY OF 2025. THE BAR, THE BORROWER, THE OWNER AT THAT TIME, TIDES ON LARGA OWNER LLC, WHICH WAS CONTROLLED BY A LOS ANGELES BASED FIRM. TIDES EQUITIES HAD A DEBT COVENANT TEST IN THEIR LOAN DOCUMENTS AT THAT TIME, AT THE TIME THAT THE TEST WAS CALCULATED, THEY FAILED THAT TEST. AND AS SUCH, WITH THE FAILURE OF THAT TEST, THE LENDER REQUIRED THEM TO MAKE AN ADDITIONAL INVESTMENT INTO RESERVE ACCOUNTS. AT THAT TIME, TIDES EQUITIES AS THE MANAGING MEMBER AND THEIR ADDITIONAL LIMITED PARTNERS DID NOT HAVE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE TO MAKE THAT ADDITIONAL INVESTMENT. AND THE ENTITY I REPRESENT MF ONE TIDES ON LOGO, WE'LL CALL IT MF ONE, IF THAT WORKS FOR YOU. THAT'S FINE. UH, WENT AHEAD AND STEPPED IN AND CLEARED THE DEFAULT AND MADE THE LENDER WHOLE. AND AS SUCH, WE TOOK CONTROL AND BECAME THE MANAGING MEMBER OF THE ENTITY. OKAY. SO TO SUMMARIZE, AND, AND JENNIFER, FORGIVE ME FOR MM-HMM . CUTTING YOU IN, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M CUTTING YOU OFF. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LIMITED TIME TO SUMMARIZE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, YOUR MF ONE ENTITY STEPPED IN BECAUSE THE PRIOR MANAGING AGENT BASICALLY RAN OUTTA MONEY. CORRECT. OKAY. AND YOUR COMPANY IS NOW THE MANAGING AGENT OF THE OWNER, RIGHT? OF THE OWNERSHIP ENTITY? YES, SIR. OKAY. AND THE OWNERSHIP ENTITY OBVIOUSLY HAS MULTIPLE MEMBERS INVOLVED? YES. ALRIGHT. WHEN DID THIS CHANGEOVER TAKE PLACE? SO THE DEBT COVENANT TEST WAS CALCULATED IN LATE JANUARY. THE FAILURE WAS ACKNOWLEDGED IN THE VERY 1ST OF FEBRUARY. UM, BORROWER HAD 15 DAYS TO CURE. AT SUCH TIME THEY WERE UNABLE TO CURE, WHICH WAS MIDDLE OF FEBRUARY. SO FOR THE NEXT TWO WEEKS IT WAS NEGOTIATED AND WE STEPPED IN MARCH 4TH, 2025 AS A MANAGING AGENT. OKAY. MARCH 4TH, 2025, FOUR MONTHS INTO THE LOOKBACK PERIOD? YES, SIR. ACTUALLY THREE MONTHS IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. OKAY. MM-HMM . SO YOU ARE THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE OWNERSHIP ON THE GROUND IN DALLAS, RIGHT? CORRECT. AND YOU'RE NOT BASED IN LOS ANGELES, RIGHT? NO, SIR. OKAY. UM, HOW I, IS IT ACCURATE TO SAY WITHOUT GOING INTO THE SPECIFIC DOLLAR FIGURES, THE MF ONE HAS INVESTED OVER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS IN THIS PROPERTY SINCE TAKING OVER OF MARCH OF LAST YEAR? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. CAN YOU JUST KIND OF TOUCH THE TOPS OF THE WAVES AS TO WHAT MF ONE [01:25:01] HAS DONE TO ADDRESS DETECTIVE ROBBINS? UM, COMPLAINTS IN PARTICULAR. YOU CAN DO IT GENERALLY, BUT THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM. BROADLY SPEAKING, WE'VE MADE IMPROVEMENTS TO LIFE SAFETY ISSUES AS IT RELATES TO THE PROPERTIES EXTERIOR ENVELOPE. WE'VE CORRECTED THE PARKING LOT. UM, THERE WAS SOME SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCIES IN THE PARKING LOT. WE WERE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE DALLAS FIRE DEPARTMENT AND CODE ENFORCEMENT ON THE GATES AND THE FENCING. UH, MY, MY COLLEAGUE CAN TESTIFY BETTER TO THIS, BUT THERE'S 22 DIFFERENT ACCESS POINTS AND WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH FIRE IN ORDER TO CLOSE SEVERAL OF THOSE ACCESS POINTS, PROVIDE A, A TIGHTER BOX, WHICH IS WHY SOME OF THE FENCE WORK, THE FENCING WORK, THE GATING WORK HAS NOT YET BEEN COMPLETED. AND WE'VE DONE SOME INTERIOR REPAIRS, CARPORT REPAIRS, POOL REPAIRS, AND THE SECURITY CAMERA UPDATES. IS IT, UM, WHEN YOU SAY A TIGHTER BOX, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FENCING, THE GATES, YOU USE THE TERM TIGHTER BOX, UH, TIGHTER CONTROLS FOR ACCESS POINTS FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE, ARE SPILLING OVER FROM NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. AND THE, THE VAGRANCY ISSUE THAT'S COMING OFF OF JUMP STREET, IS IT CORRECT THAT YOU WANT, YOU, YOUR COMPANY MF ONE, WANT TO REMOVE AND ELIMINATE SOME OF THOSE EXIT POINTS? BUT SO FAR THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS NOT SIGNED OFF ON THAT? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. UM, DO YOU, I'M GONNA HAND YOU, AND AGAIN, JENNIFER, WE'RE LIMITED ON TIME, BUT I WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO HAVE THE ACTUAL FACTS. UM, THIS IS THE DESIGNATION LETTER FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS, APRIL 21. YOU WERE ACTUALLY AT THE COURT MEETING, CORRECT? YES, SIR. ALONG WITH, UH, KAREN SWANEE, NICOLE, LOVELY LADY BACK HERE, ANOTHER GENTLEMAN AND THREE PEOPLE FROM MY OFFICE, CORRECT? CORRECT. SO THERE WAS A LARGE OWNERSHIP PRESENCE AT THE ACCORD MEETING, IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT. WHY? BECAUSE THIS IS A SERIOUS MATTER AND WE WANNA DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO WORK WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES. YOU WERE PRESENT WHEN DETECTIVE ROBINS WAS TESTIFYING, CORRECT? YES, SIR. DO YOU THINK HE'S, OF THE OPINION THAT YOUR COMPANY TAKES IT SERIOUSLY? I DON'T THINK. HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE HIS TESTIMONY BASED ON WHAT YOU ACTUALLY KNOW ACTUALLY HAPPENED AT THE PROPERTY? . OKAY. UM, TAKE A LOOK AT THE SECOND PAGE. UH, THE PAGE NUMBERS ARE POP WHERE IT SAYS, THIS IS THE CHRISTMAS WISHLIST FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS. YOU SEE WHERE IT SAYS LEASING IT'S PAGE TWO, SECOND PAGE. GOT IT. YEP. OKAY. UH, AND THIS IS A LIST OF ITEMS THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS WANTS MF ONE TO DO. YOU'RE ALREADY DOING ALL THAT, RIGHT? YES. UM, I HAVE THE EXCEL SPREADSHEET THAT I LOADED ALL OF THIS INTO IS IN THE SECTION UNDER LEASING. EVERYTHING WAS ALREADY IN PLACE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A CRIME PREVENTION ADDENDUM FOR ALL LEASES. UH, UPON THE RECOMMENDATION CITY OF DALLAS, WE, WE BEGAN IMPLEMENTING THAT IN APRIL. AND ALL OF THAT WAS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE, UH, ADDENDUM WAS PRIOR TO THE BOARD MEETING, CORRECT? IT'S BEEN, YES. AND MOST OF THAT WAS DURING THE LOOKBACK PERIOD, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. SO ALL THESE CHANGES STARTED TO OCCUR IN MARCH OF 2025 WHEN YOU TOOK OVER? RIGHT. SOME OF THEM WERE IN PLACE BEFORE THAT TOO. OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. ALRIGHT, CAMERAS, HOW MANY CAMERAS, SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS DOES THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAVE? IF YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY TODAY OPERATING, WE HAVE 11 CAMERAS. WE HAVE A VENDOR THAT'S OUT ON SITE THAT HAS BEEN WORKING TO BRING THE CAMERAS THAT WE HAD ON SITE BACK IN WORKING ORDER, UM, BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM OUR CAMERA VENDOR. MANY OF THE CAMERAS THAT WE HAD THAT WERE WORKING DURING THE LOOK BACK PERIOD, UM, WERE VANDALIZED. UM, IT IS THEIR OPINION BY BAD ACTORS OR MORE LIKELY VAGRANT CUTTING THEIR LINES TO THE CAMERAS. SO THEY WENT OFFLINE, UM, DURING THE VERY BEGINNING OF UNDERSTOOD FOURTH QUARTER. AND THE VARIOUS ITEMS, THE NINE ITEMS UNDERNEATH, UH, THE CAMERAS, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE ACTUALLY IN PLACE. YES. UH, SECURITY, WHAT SECURITY DO YOU CURRENTLY HAVE ON THE PROPERTY? WE HAVE SECURITY IN PLACE, UM, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK OVERNIGHT SECURITY, PARTIALLY BECAUSE THE PROPERTY'S STAFFED DURING THE DAY, UM, WITH PRO WITH AT LEAST WITH AT LEAST FULL INDIVIDUALS ON SITE THAT ARE THERE TO DO MAINTENANCE AND LEASING. SO WE HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL ON SITE OVERNIGHT, UM, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. AND, AND THAT'S FULL-TIME OVERNIGHT. HE'S NOT JUST DRIVING BY OCCASIONALLY, RIGHT? NO, HE'S NOT. OKAY. UM, THE NEXT PAGE, SIGNAGE, UH, YOU'VE ALREADY IMPLEMENTED ALL OF THOSE SIGNAGE RECOMMENDATIONS, CORRECT? ON PAGE FIVE? YEAH. UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THESE ARE IN PLACE. UM, YES. UH, WE'LL SAVE THE INSPECTIONS FOR KIM, UH, KIMBERLY PERMIT. I THINK IT'S KIMBERLY, FORGIVE ME IF I GOT THE NAME WRONG. MM-HMM . OKAY. UM, WASTE REMOVAL, BOTTOM OF THAT PAGE. YOU HAVE THAT CONTRACT IN PLACE, CORRECT? YES. THE PROPERTY EMPLOYEES A PORTER, AND WE HAVE A WASTE, I MEAN, CONTRACT WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT WHO DOES, UH, TRASH OX TWICE A TWICE [01:30:01] A WEEK. OKAY. UM, AND THEN WE GO ON TO THE 60 DAY ITEMS. AND AGAIN, I JUST WANNA TOUCH THE TOPS OF THE WAY. IT'S CONTROLLED ACCESS, LIGHTS, PARKING, UH, ALL OF THOSE ITEMS YOU HAVE DONE, CORRECT? YES. THE LIGHTS WERE ACTUALLY IDENTIFIED IN OUR DUE DILIGENCE IN LATE APRIL. UM, AFTER WE TOOK OVER AND WE BEGAN GETTING WORKING WITH VENDORS, UM, LATE NOVEMBER, EARLY DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR TO GET THE LIGHTS REPAIRED AND INSTALLED. UM, IT DID TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER BECAUSE OUR VENDORS HAD TO INVESTIGATE, UH, LIGHTS WITH DEEPER BOLTS THAT COULD GO INTO THE, UM, INTO THE BUILDING FACADE IN ORDER TO KEEP THEM FROM BEING REMOVED, UH, USUALLY BY, SO IS IT ACCU ACCURATE TO SAY THAT MF ONE HAS IMPLEMENTED OR ALREADY HAD IN PLACE PRIOR TO LOOKBACK PERIOD? DURING THE LOOKBACK PERIOD, VIRTUALLY ALL OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS? YES. WHAT'S YOUR HESITATION? I WAS TRYING TO DO THE MATH ON PERCENTAGE. GOT IT. UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHERE DETECTIVE ROBBINS IS COMING FROM ON THIS, THIS SHOCKINGLY, UM, FLAGRANT CRIME SCENE THAT APPARENTLY YOU'RE RUNNING EVIDENCE? OKAY. I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER. UH, I'M JUST TRYING TO WORK THROUGH HOW WE ASK QUESTIONS. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO CALL TWO OTHER WITNESSES? YES, SIR. I'M SORRY. YEAH, I, I'M JUST THINKING AHEAD HERE. UM, THAT'S WHAT I THINK. YEAH. SO WE DO HAVE A CROSS IF YOU'D LIKE. UM, YOU DISCUSSED SOME OF THE THINGS LIKE THE SIGNAGE. CAN YOU, WAS THAT SIGNAGE IN PLACE? YES, THE MAJORITY OF IT HAS BEEN. WE DO HAVE A NEW SIGNAGE PACKAGE ON ORDER, BUT IT HAS NOT YET BEEN DELIVERED. SO IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT ALL, NOT ALL OF THE SIGNAGE REQUIRED IS UP TO DATE NOW AND WAS NOT DURING THE LOOK BACK PERIOD. I WOULD SAY THAT 75% IS, WAS IN PLACE DURING THE LOOK BACK PERIOD. AND YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAVE 11 CAMERAS THAT'S STILL FOR SHY OF WHAT THE CITY HAS ASKED. HOW LONG WERE THOSE CAMERAS OFFLINE BASED ON TALKING TO THE PRIOR MANAGER ON SITE? THEY STARTED TO GO OFFLINE IN OCTOBER OF 2025. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AND OWNERSHIP HAS NOT CHANGED. THERE HAS NOT BEEN A DEED TRANSFER OF THE PROPERTY. IT IS ONLY THE LENDER THAT HAS COME IN THERE HAS NOT BEEN A DEED TRANSFER. AND SO EVEN THOUGH SINCE Y'ALL'S MARCH 4TH TAKEOVER, THERE WERE STILL FIVE AAT OFFENSES THAT OCCURRED WHILE THE LENDER CONTROLLED THE PROPERTY. THE, OF THE 22 GATES, YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, YOU ALL WANT TO CLOSE SOME OF THEM, BUT DID FIRE INSPECTOR GONZALEZ TELL YOU AT THE LAST INSPECTION THAT THE MAJORITY OF THOSE GATES NEED TO BE REPAIRED AND CAN'T BE WELDED SHUT BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE FIRE LINE? YOU CANNOT CLOSE OFF VEHICULAR GATES. SHE DID. THAT IS IN CONFLICT WHAT HOPE PREDECESSOR HAD SHARED WITH US. AND YOU ALSO CANNOT CLOSE OFF PEDESTRIAN GATES AND WELD THEM SHUT. YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE GATING MATERIAL SO THAT IT DOESN'T CAUSE A FIRE ISSUE. SHE DID CONVEY THAT TO US ON MAY 26TH. PRIOR TO THE LOOKBACK PERIOD, WAS THERE A GATING PERMIT ON FILE? YES, THERE'S, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WAS, YES, ELLA IS ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. THERE WAS NOT A GATE PERMIT APPLICATION ON FILE PRIOR TO THE LOOKBACK PERIOD. AND AS OF TODAY, THERE IS STILL NOT AN APPLICATION FOR GATES ON FILE. YOU'RE TESTIFYING. SO HAS ONE BEEN SUBMITTED? WE ARE WORKING WITH A VENDOR NOW TO GET THAT. TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, THERE'S NOTHING ON FILE TO MY NOT, YEAH, APPARENTLY NOT. THANK YOU. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN IN THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT BUSINESS AT THE LEVEL YOU'RE AT? I REALIZE YOU'RE NOT A PROPERTY MANAGER OVER 20 YEARS. AND HOW MANY PROPERTIES WOULD YOU SAY YOU'VE, UM, SUPERVISED OR WORKED WITH? PROBABLY THREE TO 400. HAS MF ONE TAKEN EVERY REASONABLE STEP WITHIN ITS POWER AND BUDGET TO MAKE THIS PROPERTY AS CRIME FREE AS IT CAN? WE WE'RE WORKING THROUGH IT, YES. AND, AND THERE IS A, HAS BEEN A VERY DIFFERENT, JUST TO CLARIFY COUNSEL'S LAST QUESTION. UM, MF ONE IS NOW THE MANAGING AGENT OF THE OWNER, CORRECT? CORRECT. AND IT HAS A VERY DIFFERENT APPROACH TO THIS PROPERTY THAN THE PRIOR MANAGING AGENT OF THE PROPERTY, CORRECT? CORRECT. THE PRIOR MANAGING AGENT WAS FOCUSED ON COSMETIC REPAIRS TO THE INTERIOR, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. HOW WOULD YOU DEFINE YOUR MISSION TO REPAIR THE BUILDING ENVELOPE, SHORE UP, SHORE UP SECURITY, AND PROVIDE A SAFE PLACE FOR THESE RESIDENTS TO LIVE. IS THERE ANY BENEFIT TO MF ONE OR TO THE OWNERSHIP GROUP IN NOT HAVING A SECURE AND SAFE PROPERTY? NO, IT'S ACTUALLY BRIEF. IT DEVALUES THE PROPERTY. IS IT ACCURATE TO SAY THEN THAT, THAT YOUR VIEW, THE OWNERSHIP GROUP, [01:35:01] UM, GOALS AND OBJECTIVES ARE PERFECTLY ALIGNED WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS AS FAR AS SAFETY IS CONCERNED? YES. OKAY. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. OKAY. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. CHAIR, JUST CALLING. UH, I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT, UH, EMAIL CAME FROM, UH, THANK YOU. I WAS JUST, UH, UH, SO, SO THE BOARD KNOWS, UH, THIS WILL BE THE ONLY CASE? YEAH. UM, OKAY. UH, IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE WITNESS, THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO JUST WAIT UNTIL YOU'VE CALLED ALL OF THEM. BUT THAT, THAT DOES MEAN ALL OF THEM WILL HAVE TO BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK. OKAY. BYE. JUST GIMME ONE SECOND. IF YOU WOULD, UM, WOULD LIKE TO CALL KIMBERLY DIAZ CIO, GIVEN THAT THE PANEL NOW JUST HAS ONE PROBLEM, CHILD TODAY, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET A LITTLE EXTRA TIME? I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE PANEL GEAR WITNESS, CONSIDERING THAT ACTUALLY GOING ON PROPERTY COUNSEL, WHAT DO YOU, CONSIDERING THAT OUR WITNESS HAS ALREADY GONE FORWARD, I WOULD ASK THAT WE STICK TO THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WAS ALREADY GIVEN. I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S REASONABLE. UM, WE'LL WORK WITH IT. YEAH. THANKS. IS THE FIVE MINUTE MINE OR HERS? OKAY. KIMBERLY, YOU HAVE TWO AND A HALF MINUTES. TELL I EVERYTHING DETECTIVE ROBINSON SAID WAS NOT ACCURATE. GO, UM, FOR ONE THE BLOCK CAMERA. I HAVE, I HAVE ASKED NUMEROUS TIMES TO KNOW WHO, UM, WHO . I SHOULD INTERRUPT YOU AND ASK WHO ARE YOU AND WHY ARE YOU HERE? . MY NAME IS CIO. I'M THE PROPERTY MANAGER OF SILVER DALLAS 15. UM, I'VE ASKED NUMEROUS TIMES TO SEE IF WE CAN GET FOOTAGE OF THEIR, UH, IF THEY TELL ME THAT THEY DON'T KNOW, OR EXCUSE ME, THEY WOULD NEED TO SEE WHO CAN GIVE ME ACCESS TO THAT. I DON'T HAVE ACCESS AT MR. ROBINSON. HE DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT EITHER. UM, THE GATES, UH, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, WE JUST, WE HAD BEEN, EXCUSE ME, I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS. MR. BAKER CAN ADDRESS THAT. LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU DO TO PATROL THE PROPERTY EVERY SINGLE DAY. UM, HOW MANY TIMES A DAY WHEN AND WHAT YOU DO? I, AS SOON AS I COME IN, I DRIVE THE PROPERTY, I WALK AGAIN ABOUT 10. WE GO OUT AFTER ONE THREE. MY, MY SCHEDULED TIME TO LEAVE THE PROPERTY IS SIX, BUT I DON'T LEAVE UNTIL SEVEN. UM, THAT WAY I CAN GET ANYBODY WHO'S, WHO I SEE DOESN'T BELONG ON PROPERTY, OFF PROPERTY AND OR, UM, PEOPLE SELLING THE FOOD, WHICH I WAS TOLD IS PART OF CITY CODE AND NOT MY PRO BECAUSE IT'S NOT INSIDE MY GATE, BUT I STILL ASK THEM TO LEAVE. WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE SELLING FOOD? DETECTIVE S MAY IT SOUND LIKE THEY'RE ON YOUR PROPERTY DOING IT. THEY'RE NOT ON THE PROPERTY. THEY'RE ON, THEY'RE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE GATE OF THE PROPERTY NEXT TO TMOBILE. OKAY. TAKE A QUICK LOOK AT THE PICTURE UP THERE. THE BUILDING ON THE LEFT, THAT'S YOUR PROPERTY, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. BUILDING ON THE RIGHT IS MARIA AND THERE'S A C STORE PAST THAT, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE, THE VAGRANTS, THE TRESPASSERS COMING FROM? THEY'RE COMING FROM THE LIQUOR STORE, WHICH YOU CAN NOT SEE IN THE PICTURE. IT'S JUST A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN. AND ALSO FROM THAT, UH, THAT LAUNDRY. AND THEY ARE ALL UP AGAINST THAT. THAT'S RIGHT. DO THEY TEND TO CONGREGATE UNDER THAT NICE SHADY TREE? YES. UM, AND DO YOU HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT PROPERTY? I DO NOT. TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, IS THAT PROPERTY IN THE HCP PROGRAM? IT IS NOT. ARE ANY OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES IN THE HCP PROGRAM? NO, SIR. JUST TIDES ON LARGA, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU, I THINK, UH, WE JUST COVERED IT UP. THAT WAS WONDERFUL. NANCY, WHAT IS HER? UH, CLARK THANK YOU. 3, 3, 1. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU THAT, THAT GATE THAT IS PHOTOGRAPHED IS THAT OPERATIONAL? IT IS NOT. THANK YOU. ASK DAVID BAKER TO COME TESTIFY NEXT. NO. OKAY. DAVID, YOU'RE UP. OKAY. [01:40:21] POINT OF ORDER. UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN WE THE BOARD, ADD AN ADDITIONAL FIVE MINUTE FOR TESTIMONY, UH, MS. MS. TORRES? WE, WE CAN. AND, UH, UH, THE, UH, APPELLANT ASKED, UH, THE, THE CITY, UH, RESPONDED THAT, THAT THEIR WITNESS HAD ALREADY GONE. WE, WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT. AND CAN I MAKE A MOTION THEN CHAIR? UM, YES. I MOVE THAT WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL FIVE MINUTES FOR TESTIMONY SO THAT WE HAVE, WE GIVE, UM, THE APPELLANT PROPER, YOU KNOW, TIME TO QUESTION BOTH REMAINING WITNESSES. WELL, WE WOULD, ANYTHING WE WOULD DO, WE WOULD GIVE TO THOSE SIDES. RIGHT? RIGHT. AND THE EMOTION IS FOR WHAT AMOUNT OF TIME? I BELIEVE THEY ASKED FOR FIVE MINUTES. I'M OKAY WITH THAT. IS THERE A SECOND HEARING? NO SECOND. THANKS. OKAY, DAVID, YOU HAVE ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MINUTES WHO YOU ARE, WHY YOU'RE HERE. AND THEN I WANT YOU TO EXPLAIN TO THE BOARD, UM, THE AREAS IN WHICH YOU DISAGREE WITH DETECTIVE S YES, SIR. SO MY NAME'S DAVID BAKER SENIOR. I'M, UH, I WORK ALONGSIDE JENNIFER ALLEN. UM, WE, SHE AND I WORK THE SAME, UH, GROUP. I'M THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION, UH, PROJECT MANAGER OVER DEVELOPMENT AND OPERATIONS JOINT. ANYTHING CAPITAL, UH, ON THIS SITE WOULD, WOULD FALL INTO, IN, INTO MY WHEELHOUSE CAPITAL OUTSIDE OF, UH, ON ONSITE MAINTENANCE. UM, SO FOR, THAT'S NOT OUR, IN THAT PHOTO, NONE OF THAT REPRESENTS OUR ACTUAL PROPERTY. UH, OUR SO EXCEPT FOR THE BUILDING ON THE LEFT, CORRECT? YES, SIR. ALL THE, THE LEFT. YES, SIR. UM, SO THAT PARTICULAR GATE, SO WE, ALL OF THE GATES, UH, AND FENCE HAD BEEN REPAIRED, UH, TO DATE AS FAR AS THE, THE, THE ACCESS POINTS. THERE'S NINE DRIVE GATES, 11 WALK GATES THROUGHOUT THIS PROPERTY, WHICH HAS BEEN OVER MANY PROPERTIES IN MY CAREER. I'VE NEVER SEEN A SITE WITH THAT MANY ACCESS POINTS. BUT THE PROBLEM HERE IS THE, UH, NORTHEAST AND ALONG THAT NORTH CORNER WHERE THE STORE IS, I HAVE WORKED, TRIED TO WORK WITH, UH, THE CITY FIRE MARSHAL, UH, AND, AND MET ON SITE. AND THEN THEY HAD NEW, UM, THEY DID A SHIFT IN, IN, IN WHO I WAS DEALING WITH AND KIND OF JUST STARTED ALL OVER. I JUST NEED A CLEAR DIRECTION ON WHAT WE CAN DO. BUT WE HAVE REPAIRED WHAT WE CAN REPAIR, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE, UH, SOME OF THOSE GATES THAT ARE REDUNDANT. UM, AND I HAVE SURVEYS THAT SHOW THAT THEY ARE REDUNDANT. UH, GATES, IT MATTER OF FACT, THE SITE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT CONVENIENCE STORE HAS THE SAME FENCE LAYOUT. THEY HAVE NO GATES ALONG THAT, THIS SIDE RIGHT HERE, YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE BUILDING ON THE RIGHT BEHIND THE C STORE? YES, SIR. IT'S TO THE RIGHT, JUST RIGHT OUT OF THE FRAME ON THE RIGHT. THERE'S NO GATE AT NO DRIVE GATE AT ALL ON THAT PROPERTY. IN FACT, YOU COULD TELL WHERE THERE USED TO BE GATES THAT THEY'RE NO LONGER THERE. IF A PERMIT'S WHAT WE NEED TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, I'LL, I'LL GO FILE FOR IT TODAY. IT'S JUST THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE BEING, YOU KNOW, TOLD ONE THING. AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A CHANGE IN STAKEHOLDERS. SO I KIND OF TRUSTED THAT THE, THE, UH, INDIVIDUAL THAT I MET ON SITE WOULD, WOULD TELL ME WHAT HE WOULD BE OKAY WITH OUR DEPARTMENT. SO YOU'D LIKE TO WRAP UP QUICKLY? I AM GOOD WITH MR. BAKER, BUT I HAVE ONE, LITERALLY ONE QUESTION OF MS. DIAZ, IF YOU WOULD INDULGE ME. AND IF I ASK TWO, YOU CAN SANCTION ME. SHE'S GONNA NOT SANCTIONING ANYBODY. I DON'T THINK I HAVE THE RIGHT, SHE'S GONNA JUDGE MOYE HAS SO . WELL, I'M NOT MOYE WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT. IF I'M EVER CRAZY ENOUGH TO RUN FOR ANYTHING, DON'T, I DON'T RECOMMEND IT DONE THAT. AND I ALSO DON'T HAPPEN TO BE AN ATTORNEY THAT I JUST HAVE ONE THAT'S SO YOU'RE GONNA OBJECT? YES, BUT I, YES. AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. B, BUT [01:45:01] YOU, YOU DO WANNA CROSS EXAMINE? YES, MR. ME. OKAY. UH, IS THIS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL? I JUST WANNA GET IN THE TESTIMONY THAT THE NPO DOESN'T THINK THIS SITE NEEDS TO BE IN THE HCP PROGRAM. WELL, THAT'S IN YOUR EVIDENCE. THANK YOU. WE'RE GOOD. YOU SUBMITTED THAT. SO I'D RATHER, UM, OKAY. OKAY. MR. BAKER, WHEN WERE YOU FIRST IN CONTACT? DR. COOK OF THE DA OF DALLAS FIRE AND RESCUE. I'D HAVE TO CHECK MY EMAILS. I DON'T WANNA SPEAK OUT OF TURN, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS, UH, IN 20 AUGUST, AROUND AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, 2025. ALL RIGHT. AND WHEN YOU MET WITH HIM, THEN YOU DID NOT HAVE AN APPLICATION ON FILE FOR GATE PERMITS? GATE CLOSURE, GATE ALTERATION. WELL, THAT WAS PART OF THE MEETING. SO I DIDN'T FIRST SPEAK WITH OFFICER COOK. I SPOKE WITH SOMEBODY BY THE NAME OF ASHA. I WANNA SAY HER NAME WAS, UH, THEY DIDN'T TELL ME I NEEDED TO FILE. I, YEAH, I, I DIDN'T KNOW. I WAS CALLING TO FIND OUT WHAT I NEEDED TO OBTAIN IN ORDER TO GET THIS PLAN IN MOTION. NO ONE FROM THE NUISANCE ABATEMENT TEAM A FIRE IN. BUT YOU DID NOT HAVE CONTACT WITH ANYONE FROM THE NUISANCE ABATEMENT TEAMS, DALLAS FIRE AND RESCUE OFFICERS PRIOR TO THE COURT MEETING? NO, NO. THIS WAS, THIS WAS BACK IN AUGUST, BUT THAT WAS A DIFFERENT FIRE INSPECTOR, SOMEONE POSSIBLY BY THE NAME OF ISHA OR TO, YEAH, I'M SORRY. TASHA. ASHA. IT WAS, IT WAS A PHONE CALL. YES. AND I MET OFFICER COOK AT OUR FIRST INSPECTION. JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. WE DO HAVE SOMEONE ON OUR TEAM NAMED ALICIA. SHE IS A CODE INSPECTOR, NOT A FIRE INSPECTOR. I CAN'T BE SURE WHO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. OKAY. YEAH, I DON'T RECALL. FROM OUR UNDERSTANDING, THE FIRST COMMUNICATION THAT YOU HAD WITH OUR TEAM AND DALLAS FIRE RESCUE, WHO WORKS WITH US, THIS WAS AT THE COORDIN MEETING, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN AFTER THE LOOKBACK THEORY. JUST TO, I SORRY. NO, I HAVE EMAILS THAT, THAT, BUT NO APPLICATION WAS ON FILE THEN. HAVE Y'ALL FILED AN APPLICATION NOW? I'LL BE HONEST, I DID. I, WHAT ARE WE FILING AN APPLICATION FOR TO CHANGE THE PERMIT? IS IT TO A PERMIT TO CHANGE THE GATES? WE WORKED, THE EMAIL THAT WE GOT FROM OFFICER MARTINEZ SAYS THAT WE CAN'T DO THAT. SO WHEN I GOT THAT EMAIL, I WOULDN'T FILE A PERMIT FOR SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT, THAT HE'S TELLING ME I CAN'T DO FROM OFFICER GONZALEZ. SHE'S THE ONE YES. OKAY. SORRY. SORRY. YES. OKAY. SO NO, NO PERMIT. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE. YES, I UNDERSTAND. SO NO PERMIT ON FILE, THANK TIMING. B WHAT IT, WHAT IT IS? UM, UH, OKAY. YES, PLEASE. BECAUSE I, I CAN'T PREDICT WHO, WHO WILL BE ASKED. YOU CAN DO, UM, YOU, UM, I, I DON'T SEE. I DON'T, BUT YES, IF YOU DON'T MIND SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE, IT'S ALL RIGHT. SO OUR, UH, WOULD YOU GUYS MIND FOR, FOR, UH, FOR THE BENEFIT OF, WELL, DON'T START THERE. UM, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD REPEATING YOUR NAMES. JENNIFER ALLEN, MS. ALLEN, DAVID BAKER, SENIOR LUCILLE. I'M SORRY. KIMBERLY DIAZ. LUCILLE. OKAY. YOU CAN TAKE A BREATH. WE'RE, WE'RE LIKE, NOT IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS. WE ARE NOT THE SUPREME COURT . ALL, ALL RIGHT. OKAY. UH, MR. SAXON, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU FOR THE WITNESSES. UM, YOU DON'T NEED TO BE SCARED. IT'S OKAY. UH, . UM, AND THANK YOU, UH, COUNSEL FOR, UM, UH, REPRESENTING THE APPELLANT, UM, VERY, VERY CLEARLY. UM, I HAVE, UH, THREE ITEMS I'D LIKE TO ASK ABOUT. UM, AND THIS IS KIND OF FREE FOR ALL. SO WHOMEVER IS THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT, PLEASE CHIME IN. UM, I HAVE THREE ISSUES. I'M SORRY FOR THE, WHEN YOU DO, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE RECORD, SAY YOUR NAME. YES, SIR. UM, FOR THE THREE ITEMS THAT I HAVE, UM, THE FIRST ONE IS THE GATE. I, I, COULD YOU, COULD SOMEBODY POINT ME TO YOUR EVIDENCE PACKET OF WHERE THE FIRE MARSHAL CONTACTS, UM, EMAILS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT MIGHT BE? I SEE SUMMARIES OF THEM AND I ONLY SEE ONE MENTION OF COULD YOU PLEASE SHARE THE CONTACT INFO FOR THE FIRE MARSHAL AND PROVIDE THE COPY OF THE INSPECTION REPORT FROM SNAY. I, I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER INSTANCES OF THAT. THAT'S MY FIRST ONE. MY SECOND ONE IS, UM, FOR SECURITY. COULD I, COULD SOMEBODY, OH, SORRY. WOULD IT BE OKAY IF WE ANSWERED THEM IN ORDER? UM, COULD I ANS JUST ASK ALL THREE OF MY QUESTIONS AND LET THEM ANSWER? HE'S TRYING TO GET HIS TIME IN. GOT IT. OKAY. IS THAT OKAY? YEAH. YEAH. THANK YOU. THE SECOND [01:50:01] QUESTION WOULD BE FOR SECURITY, COULD SOMEBODY PLEASE PROVIDE ME, UM, THE SECURITY DETAILS? I SEE THEM IN EVIDENCE, BUT DURING, UM, TESTIMONY I HEARD MENTION OF, UH, ASSOCIATES THAT WORK FOR THE, THE, THE, THE PROPERTY, NOT THE SECURITY COMPANY PROVIDING SECURITY. I JUST WANT TO KNOW, UM, THE AMOUNT OF GUARDS AND HOURS WORKED PER DAY, PREFERABLY WHEN, UH, DURING THE DAY. UH, AND THEN THE THIRD ITEM IS, COULD YOU CONFIRM AGAIN? I HAD HEARD MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE 11 CAMERAS THAT ARE ACTIVE. UM, THE CITY HAD SAID 15 WHERE THE SUGGESTION, BUT I ASK WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS AND WHY. UH, THOSE ARE THE ONLY THREE THAT I HAVE. THANK YOU. SO I THINK WE CAN GET YOU THE INFORMATION VIA EMAIL. THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY, WE HAD A MEETING WITH, UM, MR. COOK ON SITE AT THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY, AND HE WAS AT THE ACCORD MEETING IN FEBRUARY. UM, AND THEN, AND PLEASE LET ME INTERRUPT. IF IT'S NOT IN THE EVIDENCE PACKAGE, JUST LET ME KNOW. I DON'T, I DON'T NEED IT. I'M JUST ASKING YOU THIS, I DON'T KNOW IF, I DON'T KNOW IF THE EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE IS IN THE EVIDENCE PACKAGE. I CAN'T RECALL. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN THE SECOND FOR SECURITY, UM, KIMBERLY, WOULD YOU GIVE THE SECURITY HOURS WORKED BY THE SECURITY COMPANY, SECURITY HOURS WORK? SAY YOUR NAME. OH, KIMBERLY. SOMEBODY'S GONNA READ THIS. OKAY. KIMBERLY, UM, THE SECURITIES HOURS WORKED ON MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, UM, FROM 10:00 AM TO 7:00 AM FRIDAY, SATURDAY, AND SUNDAY FROM 7:00 AM TO 7:00 AM THANK YOU. AND THEN, EXCUSE ME, 10:00 PM THANK YOU. AND THEN COULD I GET CAMERAS AS WELL? UH, YES. DAVID BAKER. UM, WE HAVE, UH, MORE THAN I THINK WE HAVE A TOTAL, UH, I'D HAVE TO CHECK. I'D HAVE TO CHECK THE QUANTITY ON, ON THE SITE MAP THAT WE HAVE. UH, BUT THERE WAS A, A EITHER A VAGRANT OR SOMEBODY CHEWED THROUGH A, ONE OF OUR MAIN LINES, UH, I FORGET THE CORRECT VERBIAGE, BUT WE HAVE AMBITION ON SITE NOW. UH, ONCE THEY MAKE THOSE REPAIRS, WE WILL HAVE MINIMALLY FOUR CAMERAS AMBITIONS TELLING US UP TO SEVEN CAMERAS THAT WILL BE OPERATIONAL. SO SOME, SOMEBODY DID SOMETHING ON, ON THESE LINES THAT DISCONNECTED EVERYTHING ON THE, OKAY. THANK YOU MS. ALA? YES, SIR. MS. ALA, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION. THANK YOU. UM, MS. THOMAS, MS. THOMAS, I CAN, I DO NOT HAVE A QUESTION. HEAR YOUR MOUTH TO KNOW IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE SPEAKING. THERE YOU GO. I DO NOT HAVE A QUESTION. OKAY. UM, EXCUSE ME. MS. TORRES. THANK YOU, CHAIR. MY, UM, A QUESTION. OKAY. SO WITH, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS OUR FIRST WITNESS FROM MANAGEMENT, UM, WHO MENTIONED SHE HAS 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, UH, SOME OF THESE CHA HAVE YOU EVER HAD A, UM, I GUESS A SITUATION OF THIS SORT? OR IS IT FIRST IMPRESSION SITUATION OR FIRST TIME? SO IF, IF I MAY, MY, THIS IS JENNIFER ALLEN. YES. YOU'RE ASKING IF I'VE EVER HAD A PROPERTY, UM, IN THIS SITUATION WITH HABITUAL PRIME PROPERTY IN DALLAS? NO, MA'AM. I HAVE NOT. OR WITH YOUR 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S LACK OF URGENCY BECAUSE, WELL, AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHY HAS IT TAKEN SO LONG TO HIRE A FULL-TIME SECURITY GUARD? UH, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS MENTIONED SOME OF THE TIMES OR MULTIPLE SECURITY GUARD, WHAT IS PREVENTING THIS PROPERTY LEADERSHIP FROM IMPLEMENTING? SO THE SECURITY, THE SECURITY THAT WE HAVE, THE OVERNIGHT PRESENCE THAT WE HAVE, THAT CONTRACT HAS BEEN IN PLACE, UM, SINCE NOVEMBER OF 24, RIGHT? YES. NOVEMBER OF 24 WITH ONE SECURITY GUARD. YES. THE PRIOR CONTRACT WAS ONLY, UM, A DRIVE THROUGH CONTRACT. SO, UH, HAVE YOU HEARD PRIOR TO THIS MEETING THAT YOU SHOULD HIRE MORE SECURITY GUARDS WITH THIS LEVEL OF CALLS ON STATE AND EIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, AVAILABLE? IT, IT WAS IN THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATIONS MEMORANDUM? YES. OKAY. BUT THE VOLUME OF CALLS, THE THOUSAND PLUS CALLS ARE THAT, THAT'S INFORMATION THAT IS I'VE NEVER HEARD BEFORE. OKAY. SO WITH 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, 300 UNITS, ONE PART-TIME SECURITY IS, IS A GOOD CALL ONE OVERNIGHT SECURITY IS, IS TYPICALLY WHAT I WOULD HAVE IN PLACE. YES. [01:55:01] IT IT'S NOT PART-TIME. UM, ONLY IT'S JUST NOT 24 7, CORRECT? NO. OKAY. AND, UM, YOU CLAIM THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN DEFAMATORY IN WHAT WAY? I'M SORRY, CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? YOU BROKE UP. YOU CLAIM THE CITY HAS BEEN DEFAMATORY. CAN YOU EXPAND ON THAT? DETECTIVE ROBBINS' TESTIMONY CAME ACROSS TO ME, MY IMPRESSION OF IT WAS DEFAMATORY TOWARDS US AS AN OWNER. IN FACT, THAT HIS IMPLICATION WAS, IS THAT WE WERE DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. MY TAKEAWAY, MY IMP MY INTERPRETATION OF IT WAS THAT WE WEREN'T DOING ENOUGH TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. AND IN REALITY, SO MUCH OF THE PROBLEMS THAT OCCUR ARE SPILLING OVER AND SPILLING IN, AND NOT ONLY FROM THE CONVENIENCE STORE NEXT DOOR, BUT FROM THE VAGRANTS THAT, UM, RESIDE IN JONES CREEK PROCESS. OKAY. SO THEY SAY YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING, YOU SAY YOU'RE NOT DOING ENOUGH. CORRECT. I'M SO SORRY. THE CLOCK NOISE. CLOCK NOISE GOT IN WAY IN THE WAY OF YOUR QUESTION. I JUST WANNA CONFIRM YOUR STATEMENT. YOU'RE, YOU'RE STATING THAT THEY'RE SAYING YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING, BUT YOU'RE STATING YOU JUST DIDN'T DO ANYTHING? NO. OH, OKAY. OKAY. UM, MR. JEFFERSON, WELL, MY QUESTIONS WERE ALSO IN THE LINE OF, UH, SECURITY. UM, BUT I DON'T WANNA BE THE DEAD HORSE. I JUST REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS IT THAT, UM, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU FEEL IS, YOU KNOW, THEM PICKING ON YOU, IF YOU WILL? BECAUSE I, I, I DID ASK THE DETECTIVE SPECIFICALLY WHAT IT IS THAT HE SAW WAS IN COMPLIANCE, AND HE ADDRESSED THAT, UH, I, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE CAMERAS. BUT IN REGARD TO THE SECURITY, UH, YOU'RE SAYING THAT ONE UNARMED SECURITY GUARD IS SUFFICIENT IN YOUR OPINION FOR OVERNIGHT DUTY, IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S NOT TYPICAL TO HAVE MULTIPLE SECURITY GUARDS ON SITE OVERNIGHT, AND IT'S LESS TYPICAL TO HAVE ARMED OVERNIGHT SECURITY GUARDS ON SITE. OKAY. SO, UM, WHAT ABOUT IN THE INCIDENT THAT'S ON RECORD WHERE YOUR SECURITY GUARD HAS STATED THAT HE HAS BEEN ASSAULTED? WELL, DETECTIVE ROBBINS' TESTIMONY WAS THAT IT WAS TWO SEPARATE INCIDENCES. THE REPORT THAT CAME BACK TO ME WAS THAT IT WAS ONE INCIDENT, NOT TWO. UM, AND, BUT EVEN, EVEN WITH THAT ONE, WOULDN'T THAT BE ENOUGH TO ALARM YOU THAT PERHAPS YOU SHOULD, UH, ENHANCE YOUR SECURITY PROCEDURES? YEAH, DAVID, I, YEAH, I, THIS IS DAVID BAKER. I I JUST THINK HAVING AN ARMED SECURITY OFFICER PATROLLING, UH, JUST FEELS LIKE THAT DOESN'T FEEL REAL. WELL, WE'RE TRYING TO INCREASE OCCUPANCY AND, AND I JUST DOESN'T FEEL IT'S, IT'S VERY ABNORMAL. I, I THINK WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, IS THAT'S THE FIRST INCIDENT INVOLVING A GUN. YEAH. AND, AND HE WAS TRYING TO DO HIS JOB. HE HE ENGAGED. YEAH, HE WAS, HE WAS TRYING TO GET THEM TO, TO, TO DISPERSE MM-HMM . OKAY. SO I FELT LIKE THAT'S THE EXCEPTION MORE THAN THE RULE, I GUESS. YEAH. WELL, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I DISAGREE. BUT IF YOU, IF YOU ARE OBJECTIVE IS TO INCREASE OCCUPANCY, OCCUPANCY, UH, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA DIRECT THE WRONG DIRECTION, UM, BECAUSE SECURITY WOULD BE LIKE A PRIMARY TO, IN MY OPINION, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. YES, SIR. UM, DR. JACK. THANK YOU. UM, KIMBERLY, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. UM, YOU SPOKE, UM, ON THE VIDEO FOOTAGE YOU HAD BEEN TRYING TO GET AND YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THAT. WHICH VIDEO FOOTAGE WERE YOU SPEAKING OF, OF THE FLOCK CAMERA LOCATED NEAR THE LIQUOR STORE. AND ALSO, UM, YOU SPOKE OF ONE OF THE FENCES STILL INOPERABLE. YES. IS SIR. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY FENCING THAT ARE WORKING THAT, THAT'S OPERATED? NO, NOT AT THIS TIME. ANY GATES? RIGHT? I'M SORRY, I APOLOGIZE. GATES. DAVID BAKER HERE. WHEN YOU SAY INOPERABLE, WHAT [02:00:01] ARE NOT FUNCTIONING? THE GATES OPENING AND CLOSING AS REQUIRED, UH, BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. I THINK. I THINK THAT THE DRY VILE GATES ARE, ARE NOT FUNCTIONING, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S REQUIRED BY CODE, UM, FOR THE PROPERTY. AND THEY WERE OPERATIONAL AND WE WERE STUCK IN THIS HOLDING PATTERN, JUST TRYING TO GET THEM CLOSED WITH WHAT WE WERE ALLOWED TO DO AND NOT TO DO. BUT AS IT RELATES TO THE ACCESS CONTROLS ON THESE GATES, WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR ON SITE NOW AND WAS THERE LAST WEEK TROUBLESHOOTING EACH OF THE ACCESS GATES? UM, THE DETECTIVE SPOKE THAT, UH, THE LAST VISIT, THE CAMERAS WERE STILL NOT OPERATING, BUT YOU STATED THAT YOU HAD LIKE 11. ARE ALL OF 'EM OPERATING AND ARE THEY, UH, SECURED BY VENDOR COMPANY AS WELL, WHERE YOU'RE GONNA BE THE FOOTAGE THEY'RE OPERATING NOW THEY'RE REGISTERED WITH DALLAS CONNECT AND THEY ARE SECURE. SO THEY ARE SECURE. I CAN, WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY SECURE CAMERAS? SECURITY CAMERAS? JUST SAY, YOU SAID THE CAMERAS WERE SECURE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE ANSWER YOUR QUESTION CORRECT. YOU SAID THEY WERE VANDALIZED PREVIOUSLY BEFORE, AND, UM, THE STATEMENT THAT I THINK DAVID SAID THAT OCTOBER THE 25TH WHEN IT HAPPENED THAT THEY WERE NOT OPERATING. SO I'M ASKING, ARE THEY OPERATING NOW? YES. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND ALSO IN ADDITION THAT, UM, THE QUESTION WAS JUST ASKED ABOUT SECURITY THAT, DO YOU FEEL THAT ONE, UH, SECURITY IS SUFFICIENT? AND WHAT ABOUT THE PROTECTION OF THAT SECURITY GUARD THAT, UH, MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE THE INTERACTION WITH THOSE? SO DO YOU NOT FEEL THAT THAT'S SAFE YET ENOUGH FOR, UH, ONE SECURITY? AS I STATED, IT'S TYPICAL. I MEAN, THE SECURITY PROTECTION THAT WE HAVE ON SITE IS TYPICAL. AND THE INCIDENT THAT DETECTIVE ROBBINS BROUGHT UP WHERE HE WAS, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE BRANDISHED A FIREARM AT HIM, UM, THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'VE HAD A, UH, A GUN INCIDENT. AND AS SUCH, WE ARE INVESTIGATING ADDITIONAL SECURITY MEASURES, POTENTIALLY HAVING A CAR ON SITE, UM, AND ADDING AN ADDITIONAL SECURITY GUARD. BUT WE'RE INVESTIGATING THOSE RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, THIS IS MR. JEFFS, UH, NO QUESTIONS. MR. OH, SORRY. NO QUESTION. MR. CRUM? YES. UH, THIS QUESTION, UH, FOR MS, HOW MS. ALLEN PLEASE? JENNIFER ALLEN? YES. UM, YOU TESTIFIED I BELIEVE THAT OVER A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS HAD BEEN INVESTED BY MF ONE INTO THE PROPERTY SINCE MARCH OF, UH, 2025. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. CAN YOU BREAK THAT OUT? IS THAT PURELY FOR IMPROVEMENTS, SECURITY, CAPITALIZED EXPENSES, OR DOES THAT INCLUDE MF ONE'S CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION? THOSE ARE SPECIFICALLY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT EXPENSES DESIGNED TO IMPROVE THE PROPERTY, THE PHYSICAL ENVELOPE, THE INTERIOR OF THE UNITS AND SECURITY. BASIC. OKAY. NOTHING TO DO WITH THE, UH, CAPITAL INVESTMENT PURCHASE OF EQUITY? OH GOSH, NO, NO, NO. JUST IT IS MONEY GOING DIRECTLY INTO THE PROPERTY. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, MR. QUINN, THANK YOU, CHAIR. I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. UM, I'M GONNA DIRECT THESE TO MS. ALLEN. UM, MS. ALLEN, YOUR COUNSEL, UM, ASKED YOU THE QUESTION, HAVE ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS BEEN DONE? AND YOU HAD STATED, YES, THEY HAD. UM, BUT YET, WHY DO YOU HAVE ONE? SECURITY GUARD HAS NO GUN AND NO CAR, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, UH, UH, 300 APARTMENTS AND NINE BUILDINGS. HOW CAN HE BE EVERYWHERE BUT NOT EVERYWHERE? HOW CAN HE BE ALL OVER IF HE DOESN'T HAVE A CAR? WELL, I, I BELIEVE I SAID THAT THE MAJORITY HAVE BEEN COMPLETED, NOT, NOT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, AND HE DOES PATROLS. SO NO, YOU CAN'T HAVE SOMEONE AT ALL PLACES AT ALL TIMES DURING THE NIGHT. I, I GET THAT, BUT WITH NO CAR, IF TWO SIMULTANEOUS THINGS ARE HAPPENING, ONE GOES UNATTENDED AND ONE DOESN'T, AS BIG AS THIS PROPERTY IS WITH, WITH, UM, NINE BUILDINGS, YOU'RE TALKING MULTIPLE ACRES, CORRECT? WE ARE, I I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE SITE IS RATHER DENSE. UM, SO DENSITY IS PRETTY HIGH HERE. UM, AND I THINK IT'S ALSO WORTH NOTING THAT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, UM, THE DAILY ACTIVITY REPORTS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM OUR SECURITY GUARD INDICATED NO, NO [02:05:01] ACTIVITY OF NOTE. UM, WELL, WELL, AGAIN, BEING ONE SECURITY GUARD, HE CAN'T BE EVER OR CAN'T SEE ALL YOU SAID SOMETHING INTERESTING THAT IT'S TYPICAL TO ONLY HAVE ONE SECURITY GUARD. SO ARE YOU IMPLYING THAT ALL PROPERTIES ARE ALIKE? NO, BUT FOR THIS TYPE OF PROPERTY, IT WOULD BE TYPICAL, CERTAIN TYPES, OTHER TYPES OF PROPERTIES MIGHT HAVE NONE. I UNDERSTAND, BUT WHEN YOU SAY TYPICAL, YOU'RE USING A BROAD BRUSH. WELL, THAT'S WHAT BASICALLY ALL PROPERTIES WOULD HAVE. UM, THE SECURITY GATES, UM, UM, MR. BAKER CLAIMED THAT THEY'RE ALL WORKING, AND YET YOU HAD SAID THAT SEVEN WERE OPERATIONAL. SO WHY DO WE HAVE THE CONFLICT IN THE NUMBER? THEY'RE REPAIR? I THINK, I THINK THERE'S A VERNACULAR ISSUE. THE FENCING HAS BEEN REPAIRED. THE GATES ARE OF THE 21? YEAH, OF THE 21, THE DRIVE AISLE GATES ARE NOT FUNCTIONAL, UM, LARGELY DUE TO VANDALISM. OKAY. OKAY. I I, WELL, I UNDERSTAND. I I WON'T RECLAIM MY TIME. SO THE DRIVE OUT GATES, WOULDN'T THOSE BE SEVERELY IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO OPEN AND CLOSE AND SECURE THE PROPERTY AT, AT THIS SITE? UM, IT IS UNLIKELY GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF DAMAGE THAT THEY WOULD, UM, THAT THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO, UM, VERY QUICKLY AFTER REPAIRS. ADDITIONALLY, IF THIS, IT'S NOT CODE, IT'S NOT CODE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE DRIVE OUT GATE. I, I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR ANSWER BECAUSE IF YOU AFFORD GATES THAT ARE DRIVE IN, DRIVE OUT, THAT DON'T WORK. ISN'T THAT LIKE A SIEVE, MR. QUINT, RIGHT BEFORE SIEVE, UH, WE, WE HAD OUR NOISE. YOU MIGHT TRY TO. SO I, I, I WAS ASKING WITH FOUR DRIVE OUT GATES THAT ARE OPEN AND NOT FUNCTIONAL, WOULDN'T IT BE LIKE A SIEVE WHERE ANYONE AND EVERYONE COULD JUST WALK IN AND OUT AT, AT ONE POINT, UM, DURING 2024 WHEN I WAS ON SITE VISITING, DOING AN INSPECTION ON BEHALF OF THE LENDER, UM, I NOTICED THAT THE DRIVE, THE DRIVE, COUPLE OF THE DRIVE VI GATES WERE WORKING, HOWEVER, WHILE FUNCTIONAL, THEY HAD BEEN LIKE CRIED OPEN BY, BY PEOPLE TRYING TO GET IN. SO WHILE THE DRIVE OUT GATE WAS CLOSED, YOU COULD STILL WALK THROUGH. SO IT STILL CREATED, IT WAS STILL A S IT, IT DIDN'T MAKE THE PROPERTY A FORTRESS. UM, UH, THANK YOU CHAIR. I'LL, I'LL ASK MORE QUESTIONS DOWN THE ROAD. THANK YOU, MR. CLINT. MS. SHIN, THANK YOU. I DO HAVE MANY QUESTIONS TO FOCUS ON WHAT I DEEM THE MOST VALUABLE INFORMATION. SO, UM, I WANT, IN LOOKING AT YOUR EXHIBIT, LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE, UH, CONTRACTS FOR, UH, THE OVERALL PROPERTY REPAIRS, INCLUDING THE FENCING. UH, THAT CONTRACT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS DATED OF FEBRUARY, 2026, UH, WITH THE EXPECTED COMPLETION OF APRIL, 2026. UM, AND THE CITY CODE COMPELS US TO, UM, CONSIDER CHANGES AND THINGS THAT THE OWNERS ARE DOING PRIOR TO THE BOARD MEETING. AND THE BOARD MEETING WAS FEBRUARY 25TH, 2026. UM, SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO US WHAT FENCE REPAIRS WERE DONE BEFORE FEBRUARY 25TH? AND ALSO WHAT, UM, CONCRETE AND OTHER ITEMS WITH THAT? UH, ROOFING COMPANIES? IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE PROBABLY JUST GENERAL CONTRACTORS. MM-HMM . UM, IN THAT, UM, INVOICE. SO I THINK THE FENCE REPAIRS CONTRACT WAS EXECUTED AND READY TO GO ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT BASED ON CONVERSATIONS THAT WERE HAD ON SITE, THAT WE COULD CLOSE SOME, THE GATES WE WERE UNABLE TO EXECUTE ON THAT CONTRACT. SO WE PUT THAT VENDOR ON HOLD IN ORDER TO GET THE WORK DONE WHILE WE CONTINUED TO WORK WITH DALLAS FIRE DEPARTMENT ON POTENTIALLY CLOSING SOME GATES. BUT AS IT'S BEEN STATED IN OUR MAY INSPECTION, IT WAS EMPHATICALLY STATED THAT WE COULD NOT PERMANENTLY CLOSE ANY OF THE DATES. OKAY. SO THAT INVOICE WAS DATED FEBRUARY, 2026. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMUNICATION PRIOR TO FEBRUARY, 2026? YOU SAID IT WAS PUT ON HOLD? WAS IT PUT ON HOLD UNTIL FEBRUARY OR UNTIL MAY? IT WAS PUT ON HOLD UNTIL MAY. OKAY. SO NOT SAYING WAS DONE PRIOR TO FEBRUARY OF 2026. OKAY. OH, YES, CORRECT. OKAY. AND SO THEN, UH, I GUESS OWNERSHIP DIDN'T CHANGE, BUT MANAGEMENT CHANGED IN MARCH OF 20, 20, 25. UM, EXPLAIN TO US YOUR GENERAL LIKE, OKAY, NOW I HAVE THIS NEW PROPERTY. WHAT INSPECTIONS AND WHAT, [02:10:01] UH, DID YOU GO OUT TO THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY AND WHEN DID THAT OCCUR? YES. WE, WE VISITED THE PROPERTY IN, I BELIEVE IT WAS MID APRIL, MID TO LATE APRIL TO DO A DUE DILIGENCE SITE VISIT. UM, SOME OF, SOME OF DAVID'S COLLEAGUES, UH, ATTENDED AND THEY PUT TOGETHER A CAPITAL BUDGET, UM, AS, AS WAS ASKED PREVIOUSLY, CAPITAL EXPENDITURES THAT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL MONEY PUT INTO THE BUDGET OR PUT INTO THE PROPERTY, EXCUSE ME, IF THAT BUDGET WAS, WAS WORKED ON BY SEVERAL PEOPLE, THEN PUT TOGETHER A BUSINESS PLAN AND PRESENTED THAT TO OUR INVESTMENT. AND THEN AT SUCH TIME WE, WE BEGAN EXECUTION OF THAT BUSINESS PLAN WITH THE APPROVAL TO SEND THOSE DOLLARS, UM, IN AUGUST. SO, AND THEN IN AUGUST WE BEGAN THE PROCESS OF GETTING BIDS TO BEGIN SOME OF THE WORK, AND WE STARTED WITH WHAT WE BELIEVED WERE LIFE SAFETY ITEMS AS IT RELATES TO THE BALCONIES, UM, AND STAIR TOWERS FIRST AND FOREMOST. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE, UH, AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THE, THE PARKING LOT. UM, AND REAL QUICK, THAT BUSINESS PLAN IS NOT IN YOUR EXHIBIT, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. GONZALES. UH, MS. ALLEN, WHEN DID YOU INITIATE THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO CLOSE THE ACCESS POINTS? SO, I DID NOT INITIATE ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH FIRE DEPARTMENT. UM, DAVID, I BELIEVE BEGAN INITIATION, PROBABLY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER OF 2025. AND THEN, UM, FIRE CONVERSATIONS BEGAN IN EARNEST AT THE INSPECTION IN JANUARY OF 25. UM, PREVIOUS TO DAVID'S INVOLVEMENT AS IT RELATES TO THE GATES, THE PRIOR MANAGEMENT COMPANY, UH, SUPERVISOR HAD REACHED OUT TO FIRE DEPARTMENT AND CODE AND WAS KIND OF GETTING A LITTLE BIT OF A RUNAROUND AND, AND UNFORTUNATELY IT'S JUST NOT HER SKILLSET TO FIX THE GATES, AND SO WE HAD TO GET SOMEBODY SO MORE QUALIFIED IN. SO DURING THIS 365 DAY PERIOD, WHAT MEASURES DID YOU TAKE TO LIMIT ACCESS TO THE COMPLEX? UH, WE, WE ONLY BEGAN THE CONSTRUCTION WORK IN AUGUST, SO NONE TO LIMIT THE, BUT YOU SAID YOU BEGAN THE CONSTRUCTION WORK, BUT I MEAN, I THINK I ALSO HEARD THAT THE GATES STILL ARE NOT FUNCTIONAL TODAY. SO CONFUSED. YEP. SO THE GATES, TO CLARIFY, THESE GATES GET RAN BY VEHICLES ON A MONTHLY BASIS. YEAH. SO ALL OF THOSE REPAIRS HAVE BEEN MADE. THE ACCESS CONTROL PORTION WE WERE HOLDING ON, ASSUMING THAT WE HAD A PLAN. I MET, UH, ANTHONY COOK ON SITE BACK IN MARCH. WE HAD A PLAN ALL READY TO GO. I JUST NEEDED AN EMAIL FROM HIM. HE WAS GONNA SEND THAT TO ME MONDAY WHEN HIS SUPERVISOR GOT BACK, WE WERE TEED UP, READY TO GO. SO I WAS HOLDING OFF REPUBLIC. THEY'RE ONE OF MY DCS THAT DO, UH, UH, UH, SORRY. JUST 'CAUSE I'M, I'M RUNNING OUTTA TIME. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. I'M GONNA CUT YOU OFF. UH, WHEN SOMETHING GOES WRONG, SECURITY CAMERA'S BROKEN, FENCE BREAKS, CRACKING THE SIDEWALK, WHATEVER, IT'S, WHAT'S THE TYPICAL TIMEFRAME THAT THOSE REPAIRS ARE MADE ON YOUR PROPERTY? UH, DEPENDING UPON WHAT IT IS, I, I, I CAN GET IT DONE DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS. SOMETIMES A WEEK, SOMETIMES IT CAN TAKE 30 DAYS, DEPENDS ON THE DOLLAR AMOUNT. SO WHY HAVE THE GATES NOT BEEN REPAIRED WITHIN 30 DAYS OR 60 DAYS OR WHATEVER YOUR TYPICAL FAIR QUESTION. SO THE GATES, THE GATES WERE REPAIR, THE FENCING WAS REPAIRED. YEAH, THE FE EXCUSE ME, THE FENCING WAS REPAIRED. THE GATES, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT ARE WE ALLOWED TO DO? I'M GONNA FIT ONE MORE QUESTION IN HERE. UH, WELL, YOU CAN ALWAYS REPAIR IT. I THINK THAT'S A LOUD ONE THOUGH. . NO, BUT, UM, MY LAST QUESTION BEFORE MY TIME RUNS OUT IS YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU MADE COMMENTS, I UNDERSTAND THAT VANDALISM CAN HAPPEN TO THE GATES. ARE THERE ANY CAMERAS POINTED TOWARDS THOSE GATES THAT CATCH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THE VANDALISM? AND ARE THOSE CAMERAS OPERATIONAL? YES AND YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEP, THANK YOU. OKAY. I'M GONNA TRY TO GET THROUGH THREE DIFFERENT LINES IN MY THREE, TWO, SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO FAST. UM, OKAY. THERE ARE ROUGHLY SEVEN THINGS THAT THE CITY SUGGESTS THAT YOU DO, I AND I I READ YOUR EVIDENCE PACKET. I JUST WANNA NAIL DOWN, UM, TIMING. SO, UM, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE C-B-T-E-D. UH, YOU'VE SAID YOU'VE DONE GATE REPAIRS, SIGN LIGHTING, BREEZEWAYS CAMERAS. UH, I THINK, I MEAN, EXPLAIN TO ME, DID, DID THE CITY TELL YOU THAT YOU CAN'T PERMANENTLY CLOSE THOSE GATES? [02:15:01] THEY DID AT OUR MAY 26TH INSPECTION REPORT, WHICH WAS, OR INSPECTION, WHICH WAS LAST WEEK. MM-HMM. UM, THAT WAS COMMUNICATED PRIOR TO THAT. PRIOR, PRIOR TO THAT, DAVID MET ON SITE WITH ANTHONY COOK, MARCH 13TH. UM, AND HE INDICATED THAT HE WOULD HELP US SHEPHERD THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO POST SOME OF THOSE DATES. AND THEN WE HAD A TRANSITION OF INDIVIDUALS OVERSEEING IT, AND THE OKAY. THE STATEMENT CHANGED. OKAY. BUT THAT MARCH 13TH, 2020 SECOND. AND, AND, YEAH, GO AHEAD. UM, DO YOU GET THE BENEFIT OF THE, ARE THEY CALLED FLACK CAMERAS? THE, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT YOURS. THAT'S A CITY, CORRECT? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. CORRECT. DO YOU GET THE BENEFIT OF THOSE BASED ON KIMBERLY'S TESTIMONY? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO THAT VIDEO. IS THAT CORRECT? AND THAT'S CORRECT. WE DO NOT. UM, UH, YOU DO SHOW, HOWEVER, AN NPS THE CONTRACT AND WHAT APPEARS TO BE A KIND OF A DAILY SNAPSHOT OF THINGS THAT, THAT IS, THAT JUST, DOES THAT HAPPEN EVERY DAY? YES, SIR. COMMUNICATE WITH THE, WITH THE OFFICE, THE OFFICERS. MM-HMM . THEY SUBMIT A REPORT TO US EVERY, AT THE END OF THEIR SHIFT, EVERY DAY. AND HOW LONG, WHEN DID THAT START? UM, THE CONTRACT WITH THE OVERNIGHT PRESENCE, SO THAT NOT A DRIVE THROUGH, THAT BEGAN IN NOVEMBER OF 24TH. OKAY. UM, THAT'S FIVE, UM, BACKGROUND CHECKS. UH, WHEN DID YOU INSTITUTE THOSE EVEN? WELL, IT WAS A MARCH 3, 26, 72 HOUR EMERGENCY. BUT WHEN, WHEN DID YOU, UH, WHEN DID YOU INSTITUTE THE, UH, HIGHER LEVEL, UM, POLICE CLAUSE AND BACKGROUND THEFT THAT HAD BEEN IN PLACE? UM, SINCE RP TOOK OVER AS PART OF THEIR STANDARD, WHICH IS JULY 23. YEAH. UM, AGAIN, CODE. SO ARE YOU UP TO CODE? HAVE YOU BEEN, ARE YOU CURRENTLY COMPLIANT? DO YOU HAVE ANY OUTSTANDING NOTICES? TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I DON'T BELIEVE WE DO. BUT KIMBERLY, DO YOU KNOW IF YOU OR DAVID? WE DON'T HAVE ANY AWARE. NONE THAT NONE THAT I'M AWARE OF. OKAY. THAT'S THE END OF MY TIME. UM, WE'LL GO BACK TO MR. SAXON. YOU WANT ME TO COME BACK TO YOU? OKAY. UM, MS. AYALA, NO QUESTIONS. UM, MS. THOMAS? MS. THOMAS, I SEE YOU BUT NOT, DO NOT HEAR YOU. NO QUESTIONS. OKAY. SORRY, MAN. I GOT WITNESSES. SO THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME , SORRY, I'LL JUST STOP ASKING. UM, , UM, MR. MS. TORRES, THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, WHAT IS THE CURRENT, AND ANYONE CAN ANSWER THIS THAT HAS KNOWLEDGES. WHAT IS THE CURRENT OCCUPANCY? UM, BECAUSE THERE WAS A MENTION OF WANTING TO INCREASE OCCUPANCY. SO WHAT IS THE CURRENT OCCUPANCY AT KIMBERLY? WE ARE CURRENTLY AT 60.51. AS OF PERCENT PERCENT OCCUPIED? YES. OKAY. UM, AND KIMBERLY, SOMETIMES, UH, PROPERTY MANAGERS DO LIVE ON SITE. YOU DO NOT LIVE ON SITE, YOU LEAVE AT 7:00 PM EVERY DAY? CORRECT. OKAY. I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? UH, YOU CUT OUT. YOU DO NOT LIVE ON SITE, CORRECT? I DO NOT LIVE ON SITE, NO, MA'AM. OKAY. UH, CAN YOU SHARE WITH THE BOARD THE REASON FOR THAT? THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE ONE AND TWO BEDROOMS, AND I HAVE A FAMILY, AND WE REQUIRE A THREE BEDROOM. NORMALLY, I WOULD LIVE ON SITE. WOULD YOU LIVE AT THIS LOCATION? YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT YOU WOULD LIVE AT THIS LOCATION, CORRECT? YES, I WOULD. OKAY. UM, UH, MS. ALLEN, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THIS IS A SAFE LOCATION THAT YOU WOULD LIVE AT? I HAVE A HOME. I HAVE MY HOME, BUT, BUT IF YOU DIDN'T, YOU WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE BRINGING YOUR FAMILY INTO THIS LOCATION WITH THIS LEVEL OF SECURITY, WITH THIS LEVEL OF CAMERAS, WITH THIS LEVEL OF CALLS, YES. YOU WOULD? MM-HMM . OKAY. UM, AND [02:20:02] I, I AM STILL CONFUSED ABOUT THE LACK OF FIXING THE GATES. UM, IS THE STANCE OF THE APPELLANT THAT IT IS THE CITY WHO HAS PREVENTED YOU GUYS FROM FIXING THE GATES? BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND YOU WANT, YOU HAVE OTHER INTENTIONS TO REMOVE THE GATES, BUT IS THE CITY PREVENTING YOU FROM FIXING THEM? DAVID, YOU'RE, YES. THAT IS OUR POSITION. THAT IS YOUR POSITION. OH, INTERESTING. OKAY. THANK YOU. MY TIME IS UP. YES. WELL, YEAH, FOR ME, HER TIME IS UP, BUT IF YOU WANNA ANSWER THE QUESTION, PLEASE. I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THE PROCESS TO GET THE GATES CLOSED, IDEALLY, PERMANENTLY, HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT FOR US, UM, THROUGH THE PROCESS. BUT NOW WE'RE DISREGARDING THAT WE'RE DISREGARDING YOUR POSITION. BUT THE FACT THAT YOU, YOU COULD FIX THEM NOW, IS, IS YOUR POSITION THAT YOU'RE NOT FIXING THEM BECAUSE THE CITY, BECAUSE OF THE CITY, WE, I THINK WE JUST WANT A MORE PERMANENT FIX RATHER THAN, UM, LEAVING THEM FIXED OR AS THEY ARE. OKAY. I, I GET IT. OKAY. UM, UH, UH, BRINGS US TO MR. JEFFERSON. UH, QUESTIONS IN REGARD TO THE LOITERING. WHAT HAVE YOU GUYS DONE IN REGARD TO THE LAUTERING ISSUE? OUR SECURITY, UH, DOES HIS BEST TO, UH, GET RESIDENT. IF IT LOITERING IS OCCURRING ON OUR PROPERTY, OUR SECURITY GUARD ASKS RESIDENTS TO TAKE IT INSIDE AND TO MOVE IT ONTO THEIR BALCONY SO THAT THEY'RE NOT LOITERING IN STAIRWELLS, UM, TO THE ISSUES SURROUNDING THE LOITERING OUTSIDE OF OUR GATES, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO WELL, ACCORDING TO THE TESTIMONY AND THE PICTURES THAT, UH, INCLUDED IN THIS PRESENTATION THAT'S NOT WORKING. UM, WHAT ABOUT LIGHTING? HAVE YOU CONSIDERED ADDING MORE LIGHTING TO THE PROPERTY? JUST DAVID BAKER HERE. WE JUST COMPLETED, UH, I'M SORRY, I STOP AND STOP THE TIME. MR. JEFFERSON, YOU YES. TYPICALLY ARE NOT HERE. IF YOUR VIDEO'S NOT ON, THAT'S, OH, I'M SORRY. UH, I THOUGHT IT WAS ON. NO PROBLEM. I'M HERE. NO, THERE YOU GO. THANKS. WE JUST COMPLETED A LED LIGHTING UPGRADE PROJECT TO INCLUDE, UH, REPLACE 14 WALL PACKS, 229 BREEZEWAY FIXTURES, AND INCLUDING ALL OF THE ELECTRICAL TROUBLESHOOTING AND, UH, WELL PHOTO CELLS, BUT ALL CORRECTLY. AND THAT WAS, THOSE, THOSE LIGHTS THAT WERE REPAIRED AND OR ADDED WERE DONE WITH THE, WERE DONE WITH RECOMMENDATION OF THE, UH, OF OUR, YEAH. OF OUR LIGHTING CONSULTANTS WHO BROUGHT IN ON YEAH, JUST HAD TO SEND THE LIGHTING TECHNICIAN BACK OUT FANCY THROUGH LOOP. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU JUST COMPLETED ADDING MORE ADDITIONAL LIGHTING TO THE PROPERTY PROPERTY MARCH, MARCH IN THE DATE? YEAH. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN MORE THAT I, I DON'T HAVE THE DATE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS FIRST QUARTER, 2026 WHEN WE COMPLETED IT WAS PART OF OUR, UM, CAPA PLAN THAT WE IDENTIFIED. JUST THE POINT OF CLARITY, ARE YOU SAYING THAT IT'S COMPLETED OR THAT YOU'RE WORKING TO COMPLETE IT? OH, NO, IT'S COMPLETED. IT'S COMPLETED. BEEN COMPLETED. OKAY. OKAY. I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THAT IN ANY OF THE TESTIMONY TODAY THAT THAT PART WAS DONE. WHEN I ASKED THE DETECTIVE ABOUT THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE IN COMPLIANCE, I DON'T REMEMBER HIM SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT THE LIGHTING THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED. YEAH. UM, IS, IS THAT, IS THAT RIGHT? I, I, I DON'T RECALL, BUT I, I'M, I CAN CONFIRM IT IS COMPLETED. 100. IT'S COMPLETED, I ASSURE YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR. JEFFERSON. UM, MS. JACKSON, DR. JACKSON, UM, UM, THERE WERE EIGHT, UM, CASES LISTED. SO THOSE EIGHT CASES LISTED, CAN YOU TELL ME HOW DID YOU GO BACK AND, UM, HOW THOSE, WITH THE TENANTS, WHAT PROCEDURES YOU GOT THAT, UM, I BELIEVE THE MAJORITY OF THEM WERE TRANSIENTS. UM, THE CRIMINAL TRESPASS WAS A TRANSIENT, WE'RE PULLING UP THE LIST NOW. NO, WERE, NO, WERE TENANTS TOILET, [02:25:02] I BELIEVE ONLY ONE WAS A, UM, THEY WEREN'T ON THE LIST. YEAH, IT WAS THE HER BROTHER. YEAH. SO IN THAT CASE, WOULD IT, WOULD IT BE CONSIDERED THAT IT WOULD BE PRIORITY TO ENSURE THAT THOSE GATES ARE WORKING PROPERLY TO AVOID, UM, OUTSIDE COMING IN ON THE PROPERTY? ABSOLUTELY, YES. AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, WHILE WHEN THE GATES WERE OPERATIONAL, TRANSIENTS WERE STILL GETTING IN AND RESIDENTS HAVE A TENDENCY TO PROP LIKE THE PEDESTRIAN GATES RESIDENT. SOME RESIDENTS WILL PROP THEM OPEN. WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN WITNESS WHERE WE CAME ON, CAME ACROSS A GATE, AND RIGHT NEXT TO THE GATE THAT WAS VANDALIZED WAS A CROWBAR. WHEREVER SOMEBODY HAD CROWBAR IT OPEN. SO, UM, WHILE GATES WOULD HELP, UM, IT'S NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. MOST OF THE INCIDENCES OF CRIME WERE, WERE DONE BY, UM, NON-RESIDENTS, UM, AND VAS COMING ACROSS. AND SO, LIKE I SAID, THEY CAN GET IN IF RESIDENTS PROP OPEN THE GATES, IF THEY'RE LIKE RUNNING ACROSS THE STREET TO THE GROCERY STORE, UM, AND THEY PROP OPEN THE GATE 'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA, THEN THEY'RE ALLOWING, UH, PEOPLE TO COME BACK IN. I'VE SEEN THAT ISSUE ON ALL TYPES OF PROPERTIES. THANK YOU, DR. JACKSON. UH, MR. JEFFS, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, MR. CROW. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. MR. QUINT? UH, THANK YOU CHAIR. UH, MR. BAKER, YOU HAD STATED THAT SOME OF THE CAMERAS ARE POINTED AT THE GATES. HOW MANY ARE POINTED AT THE GATES? UH, I NEED TO REFER TO MY SITE MAP. I CAN GRAB MY COMPUTER BEHIND ME AND ANSWER THAT BEFORE YOU SPECIFICALLY. I DON'T KNOW THAT OFF MEMORY. WELL, UM, I'M GONNA GUESS IF THAT, THAT COMES OUT OF THE 11 CAMERAS, CORRECT? WYE? YES. YES. OKAY. WE HAVE MORE THAN YES. WELL, YOU SAID THERE'S 11 CAMERAS ON THE PROPERTY, SO IF YOU'VE GOT SOME POINTED AT THE GATES THAT TAKES THAT NUMBER OF CAMERAS WAY DOWN AND TYPICALLY APARTMENT COMPLEX, ARE YOUR BUILDINGS RECTANGULAR? UM, THEY ARE, THEY'RE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT SIZES, BUT TO BE CLEAR, WE HAVE MORE THAN 11 CAMERAS INSTALLED. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET 'EM OPERATIONAL. WELL, WE HAD HEARD FROM Y'ALL, Y'ALL HAD 11 TOTAL CAMERAS. SO NOW I'M REALLY CONFUSED. NO, NO. SORRY. LET ME CLARIFY FOR YOU. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. WE HAVE MORE THAN 11 CAMERAS INSTALLED ON THE SITE, BUT OPERATIONAL, OKAY. WE HAVE 11. OKAY. SO THEREFORE, YOUR, YOUR CAMERA SYSTEM IS WOE WOEFULLY INSUFFICIENT IF YOU DON'T HAVE ALL OF THEM OPERATIONAL. RIGHT. UM, REGARDING THE GATES WHERE YOU SAY THE CITY IS, UH, IT WON'T LET YOU PERMANENTLY CLOSE THEM, BUT YOU COULD MAKE THEM OPEN CLOSED TYPE GATES. CORRECT? WE COULD MAKE THE DRY VIAL GATES OPEN CLOSED. BUT AS WE STATED BEFORE, THEY'RE CONSTANTLY VANDALIZED. I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE CONSTANTLY VANDALIZED, BUT STILL, YOU'RE NOT GOING THAT EXTRA STEP TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY. SO WHY WOULDN'T Y'ALL DO THAT AND JUST FIX 'EM AS NEEDED VERSUS JUST LEAVING THEM WIDE OPEN, JUST DONATING THEIR WAY INTO IT JUST FEELS TO BE A VERY POOR FUNDS FOR SURE. THAT DOESN'T SOUND PERMANENT. I THINK IT DOESN'T SOUND SUSTAINABLE. IT'S ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH, WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT WE, I WORKED OUT WITH GONZALEZ GONZALEZ, UH, EXCUSE ME. FIRE, FIRE CHIEF GONZALEZ WAS, IS THAT WE WILL MAKE A COUPLE OF THE DRY VI GATES ACCESS ACCESSIBLE ONLY TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS, LIKE CONTROL MECHANISMS SO THAT THOSE WILL OPEN ONLY FOR THOSE COMPONENTS. AND SHE DID INDICATE THAT SHE WOULD WORK WITH US, UM, ONCE OUR VENDOR WAS, YOU KNOW, READY FOR TESTING SO THAT THOSE GATES COULD BE CLOSED. HOWEVER, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A FAIL SAFE SOLUTION BECAUSE I CAN ALMOST ASSURE YOU THAT THEY WILL BE VANDALIZED AND PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO COME THROUGH THOSE GATES JUST LIKE SOMEBODY USED A CROWBAR TO GET THROUGH A LOCKED AND SECURED PEDESTRIAN GATE BECAUSE THEY WANTED ACCESS. THANK YOU. UM, THANK YOU CHAIR. MS. SHIM. MR. GONZALEZ, LEMME GO BACK TO MR. SACKS. THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, I MAY HAVE MISSED IT IN THE JUST VOLUME OF YOUR EXHIBIT IS, UH, TENANT LISA AGREEMENT AND THE EXPECTATIONS OF TENANTS IN YOUR EXHIBIT? YES, MA'AM. AND, UH, [02:30:01] DOES THAT INCLUDE VANDALIZING THE PROPERTY, LIKE PROPPING OPEN DOORS, UH, USING CROWBAR? IT DOES. AND WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT? I REFERENCE, I'M NOT, IT'LL BE A LEASE VIOLATION. OKAY. AND THEN HOW MANY LEASE VIOLATIONS BEFORE THEIR AFTER THREE AFTER THREE LEASE VIOLATIONS. OKAY. WE CAN EVICT. UM, AND THEN I ALSO, AGAIN MUST HAVE MISSED IT, BUT, UM, HOW OFTEN, WHAT'S THE FREQUENCY OF LEASE VIOLATIONS OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR AND THEN HOW MANY TERMINATE OR EVICTIONS HAVE YOU HAD? UM, IT'LL BE THREE LEASE VIOLATIONS THROUGHOUT YOUR LEASE CONTRACT. SO THAT'S PER YEAR. I UNDERSTAND THAT. SORRY. UM, SHORT ON TIME, HOW MANY HAVE YOU EXECUTED OVER THE LAST YEAR? HOW MANY LEASE VIOLATIONS HAVE YOU ISSUED? AND THEN HOW MANY HAVE RESULTED IN EVICTIONS? SINCE I HAVE BEEN THERE, NONE. WE HAVE HAD LEASE VIOLATIONS, BUT ONCE I ISSUE A LEASE VIOLATION, WE HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THAT RESIDENT. OKAY. THEREAFTER. AND THEN YOU PERFECTLY SEGUED INTO MY LAST QUESTION. HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN THE PROPERTY MANAGER AT THE SITE? OCTOBER 28TH, 2025. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. GONZALEZ. NO QUESTIONS MR. SAXON. THANK YOU. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT WE'RE COMING BACK TO IS THE GATE AND SECURITY. UM, WHAT WE HAD ASKED, UM, MULTIPLE TIMES WAS WHY WASN'T THE GATE FIXED? AND TO YOUR, UH, RESPONSE, LET ME JUST CLEAR AND, AND ASK FOR CLARITY. IT'S BECAUSE IF WE FIX IT, IT'LL GET BROKEN AGAIN. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. THAT WE, WE PREPARED, WE IT BROKEN AGAIN, VANDALIZED, WE REPAIRED THEM. IS THAT CORRECT? AND THEN THAT BRINGS UP THE QUESTION OF INCREASED SECURITY. SO AS EXECUTIVES AND LEADERS OF THIS GROUP, HAS THE DISCUSSION COME UP, WELL, HOW DO WE MAKE IT TO WHERE IT DOESN'T GET BROKEN AGAIN, SURELY GOES DOWN THE, THE ROUTE OF CAMERAS AND SECURITY PERSONNEL. AND GOING BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL POINT OF TYPICAL, UM, I THINK, UM, WE HAD ALLUDED TO THIS EARLIER, UH, IS THIS PROPERTY TYPICAL WHEN, WHEN YOU CONSIDER HOW MANY CRIMES ARE BEING COMMITTED ON IT IN ONE YEAR TO OTHER PROPERTIES THAT HAVE ONE SECURITY GUARD? NO, 21 ACCESS POINTS INTO A PROPERTY IS NOT TYPICAL THAT WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO GET THAT RESOLVED. GOT IT. THAT, THAT, THAT IS, THAT'S DRIVING THE BUS FOR US. YEAH. AND I THINK GET THAT FIXED AND THEN WE CAN, AND THAT, I THINK THAT'S THE POINT THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO ASK IS IF YOU ALL ARE AWARE OF THAT, WHAT, WHAT STEPS WERE TAKEN IN THE PERIOD BETWEEN DECEMBER 19TH, 24 AND 25 TO RECTIFY THE GATE, TO ASSIGN MORE SECURITY AND TO ENSURE CAMERAS WERE ONLINE WATCHING. AND I THINK THAT, AND I, I THINK SO. YOU KNOW, WE, THE CAMERAS WERE FUNCTIONAL, UM, PRIOR TO KIMBERLY'S ARRIVAL, AND THE PRIOR MANAGER HAD SOME HEALTH ISSUES, WHICH IS WHY WE, WE HAD TO BRING IN A NEW ONE. AND SHE DID NOT MAKE US AWARE THAT THE CAMERAS WERE NOT WORKING. SO WHEN KIM KIMBERLY STARTED, SHE THOUGHT THEY JUST DIDN'T WORK. AND, UM, BUT OUR, IT WAS IDENTIFIED IN OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO BRING THOSE CAMERAS BACK ONLINE. I THINK, UM, SOME OF THESE CRIMES OBVIOUSLY ARE HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE HAPPENING BY NON-RESIDENTS. AND SO, UM, THAT IS AS MUCH. I APPRECIATE THAT. UH, OKAY. THANK YOU MR. OKAY. THIS, THIS IS ME. UM, OKAY. THE PROPERTY MANAGER, UH, DID YOU SPEAK TO, UH, OFFICER TAYLOR? I DID. AND WHO IS HE? HE IS ALREADY IN P UM, THE, THE, UM, THE EXHIBIT. UH, WELL, I I WON'T READ IT. DID WHAT DID HE TELL YOU ABOUT THE STATUS OF THIS, OF THE, OF THE HCP? HE TOLD ME THAT WE WOULD BE BASED ON IT. UM, HE TOLD ME THAT HE DOES NOT AGREE WITH IT, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S A NEW MANAGER ON SITE, HE FEELS THAT I AM VERY CAPABLE OF GETTING THE PLACE BACK IN SHAPE. UM, HE MENTIONED THE CITY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ITSELF, UM, HOW IT'S OPERATING AND HOW HE DISAGREES. UM HMM. I'M, I'M JUST, SO, SO YOU WERE THE PERSON HE TALKED TO ON PAGE, UH, PAGE 12 OF, OF YOUR EXHIBIT THAT YES. POSSIBLE. OKAY. UM, [02:35:02] SORRY, THIS CONVERSATION, SO I DO APOLOGIZE. NO, JUST TO CLARIFY THIS, THE CONVERSATION HAPPENED DURING OUR CRIME WATCH MEETING THAT HE CAME TO, UM, WE WERE WAITING ON RESIDENCE, SO HE WAS THERE FOR 30 MINUTES. WHAT IS A CRIME WATCH MEETING? WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN? IT WAS CRIME WATCH MEETING THE SECOND TUESDAY OF EVERY MONTH SINCE IT STARTED IN FEBRUARY. HE DIDN'T SHOW FEBRUARY, HE DIDN'T SHOW APRIL. HE WAS AT A TEAM, UH, CERTIFICATION. AND, AND SO THIS HAPPENED THE SECOND TUESDAY OF 11TH. JUNE, JULY OF MAY. THIS MAY 26TH. YES. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES OUR, UM, OUR QUESTIONS, UH, AND CLOSES THE EVIDENTIARY PART OF THE HEARING. UH, IN ORDER TO DELIBERATE, UM, I NEED A MOTION. WAIT, I'M SORRY. OH, GEEZ. YEAH. THANK YOU ALL FOR, FOR, AND THANK YOU FOR STANDING, UM, MAKING THAT WORK. UM, UH, THE CITY HAS A CLOSE AND THE APPELLATE HAS MEMBERS OF THE BOARD SIMPLIFY THE ISSUES THAT ARE BEFORE YOU TODAY. THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS ATTEMPTED TO CONVOLUTE THE ISSUES AND SHOWN A LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY BY ATTEMPTING TO BLAME THE CRIME COMMITTED ON THEIR PROPERTY ON VAGRANT AND NON-RESIDENTS. BUT THOSE PEOPLE WOULD NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY OR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMIT CRIMES IF THE PROPERTY OWNER HAD REASONABLE MEASURES IN PLACE TO PREVENT DEBATABLE CRIME. YOU HEARD FROM DETECTIVE ROBBINS THAT ALMOST EVERY GATE ON THE PROPERTY WAS EITHER OPEN, DAMAGED OR IN SOME WAY INABLE. WE SAW IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT SEVERAL GATES HAVE BEEN DAMAGED OR ALTERED TO PREVENT SECURE CLOSURE, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS DONE NOTHING TO FIX THEM. YOU HEARD FROM DETECTIVE ROBBINS THAT THE PROPERTY ONLY HAS ONE UNARMED SECURITY GUARD FOR THE ENTIRE NINE BUILDINGS. UPON THE CITY'S ARRIVAL, WE FOUND THAT SECURITY GUARDS SITTING DOWN NOT ACTIVELY WALKING OR MONITORING THE PROPERTY. HOW CAN ONE UNARMED SECURITY GUARD SECURE ALL BUILDINGS AND MONITOR ACCESS WHEN NONE OF THE GATES WORK? AND HE'S SEATED? THE ANSWER IS HE CAN'T. YOU HEARD TODAY THAT JUST IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS, THAT LOAN SECURITY GUARD WAS ASSAULTED BY FIVE PEOPLE AND ON A SEPARATE NIGHT HAD A GUN PULLED ON HIM. OPPOSING COUNSEL TRIED TO BLAME THEIR GATE ISSUES ON DALLAS. FIRING AND RESCUE, GETTING APPROVAL FOR A GATE PERMIT HAS A LOT OF STEPS, AND THEY HAVEN'T EVEN TAKEN THE FIRST STEP IN APPLYING FOR A PERMIT. A PERMIT WAS NOT ON FILE BEFORE CITY INTERVENTION, AND IT IS NOT ON FILE, ON FILE. NOW, FIRE INSPECTORS, COOK CONVERSATION AND COURTEOUS OFFER TO LIAISE WAS TURNED INTO AN EXCUSE NOT TO DO THEIR PART. ALL OF THIS REALLY BOILS DOWN TO THREE QUESTIONS. ONE, DID FIVE OR MORE AVAILABLES HAPPEN WITHIN 365 DAYS? YES. YOU HEARD TESTIMONY FROM DETECTIVE ROBBINS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN MORE THAN FIVE AVAILABLE CRIMES WITHIN 365 DAYS. AND THESE ARE NOT MINOR CRIMES. THESE ARE SERIOUS VIOLENT AND DRUG CRIMES. SO SERIOUS, THERE'S AN ONGOING FEDERAL INVESTIGATION STEMMING FROM AN INCIDENT THAT OCCURRED WHILE THE LENDER CONTROLLED THE PROPERTY. TWO, IS THERE A HISTORY OF AVAILABLE CRIME? YES. YOU HEARD FROM DETECTIVE ROBBINS THAT THERE HAS BEEN A HISTORY OR PATTERN OF CRIME. AND THIRD WERE THE PRESUMPTIONS REBUTTED AT THE ACCORD MEETING. NO, YOU HEARD FROM DETECTIVE ROBBINS THAT AT THE ACCORD MEETING, THE EVIDENCE PROVIDED WAS INSUFFICIENT. ALTHOUGH THE LENDER DID NOT CONTROL THE PROPERTY UNTIL MARCH OF 25, 20 25, DURING THE PERIOD IN WHICH THEY HAD COMPLETE CONTROL, FIVE OF THE ABATES OCCURRED. SO WITH THE PRESUMPTION SATISFIED AND INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE OF REASONABLE MEASURES BEING TAKEN PRIOR TO THE NOTICE, DPD FULFILLED THEIR OBLIGATION AND DESIGNATED THIS PROPERTY AS AN HCP. TODAY, WE ASK THE BOARD TO UPHOLD THE HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY DESIGNATION SO THAT THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN HOLD THIS PROPERTY ACCOUNTABLE AND CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM BY IMPLEMENTING MEASURES THAT WILL ENSURE A SAFER ENVIRONMENT FOR THE TIDES TENANTS AND FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS AS A WHOLE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. POWELL. YOU TOLD THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX ACCOUNT FOR THE FAILURE OF THE 3000, UH, 280 DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS TO KEEP THE PEOPLE IN THE ADJOINING NEIGHBORHOOD FROM COMING THROUGH OVER AND UNDER THEIR FENCE TO ASSAULT THEIR RESIDENCE. EVERY SINGLE INCIDENT THAT BEFORE YOU, THE EIGHT OF 'EM, NOT THE THOUSAND MYSTERIOUS ONES THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE OF. EVERY ONE OF THOSE EIGHT WAS BY A NON-RESIDENT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE DRUG BUS, WHICH BETWEEN THE TIME OF THE ORIGINAL NOTICE AND THE AT P ACCORD MEETING AND TODAY APPARENTLY BECAME A SWAT OPERATION WITH SOME CARTEL INVOLVED. THIS IS RIDICULOUS. [02:40:01] LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE IN YOUR BINDER. YOU HAVE A MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND AN OWNERSHIP THAT IS INTERESTED IN FIXING THIS PROBLEM. AND THEY HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY DOING PEOPLE LIVE HERE. THIS IS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. I'VE HEARD QUESTIONS ABOUT FENCING THIS PLACE IN WHY DON'T WE JUST PUT A DOME ON IT. REMEMBER THAT SHOW UNDER THE DOME? LET'S JUST PUT A DOME ON IT. MAKE SURE NOBODY LEAVES. PEOPLE CAN'T COME AND GO. THESE ARE HOMES. PEOPLE COME AND GO. THEY HAVE GUESTS. IT IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO A LIQUOR STORE. IT IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO A LA IT IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO A C STORE, NONE OF WHICH ARE IN THE HCP PROGRAM, ALL OF WHICH HAVE PEOPLE COMING OVER INTO THE APARTMENT COMPLEX. WHY? BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE WALLETS AND THEY HAVE WATCHES AND THEY HAVE IPHONES. AND FIVE OF THE ACTUAL SEVEN CRIMES THAT TOOK PLACE ON THIS PROPERTY INVOLVED PEOPLE STEALING STUFF. LOOK AT THE POLICE RECORDS THAT YOU HAVE IN EXHIBIT. THERE'S NO VIOLENT CRIME THERE. YEAH, IF SOMEBODY PULLED A GUN ON ME, THAT'S TERRIFYING. I DON'T EVER WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. BUT THE ACTUAL FACT IS, WHAT WAS STOLEN WAS WATCHES AND IPHONES AND SMALL THINGS LIKE THAT. $50 IN ONE INCIDENT. THE ASSAULT WITH A DEADLY WEAPON WAS THE GUY WITH A CAR RUNNING INTO SOMEBODY. THESE ARE BAD, WE DON'T WANT THEM TO HAPPEN. BUT THIS IS A 300 PLUS APARTMENT COMPLEX, AND I WOULD SUGGEST SEVEN INSTANCES OVER A YEAR, PRETTY DARN GOOD. IF YOU HAVE SEVEN INSTANCES AT A SEVEN 11, CALL 'EM SEVEN INSTANCES IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX IS A DIFFERENT CONTEXT ENTIRELY. AND AGAIN, THINK ABOUT THE BOTTOM LINE HERE. I RESPECT THE HECK OUTTA WHAT YOU GUYS DO. MY MOM WAS THE MAYOR OF BRAUNFELS. MY STEPFATHER SERVED ON EVERY BOARD THERE WAS. SO I GREW UP WITH COMMITTED CIVIL SERVANTS WHO ARE WILLING TO PUT THEIR TIME INTO SOMETHING LIKE THIS. IT'S HARD WORK. AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT A ONE YEAR LOOK BACK PERIOD, AND YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT, DEFINE EVERYTHING, EVALUATE EVERYTHING, JUDGE EVERYTHING BASED ON WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY AND DAY BEFORE. BUT THE STATUTE TO REBUT THE PRESUMPTION THAT YOU VERY CLEARLY SAID YOU HAVE TO SEE OR YOU HAVE TO EVALUATE. THEY WERE KNOWINGLY TOLERATING ACTIVITIES. THEY WEREN'T. LAST THING I WANNA SAY, AND THEN I'LL SHUT UP. IF YOU UPHOLD THIS, THERE'S GONNA BE A $12,000 FINE COMING OUTTA THEIR POCKET EVERY SINGLE MONTH. IT IS NOT GONNA GO INTO SECURITY. IT'S NOT GONNA GO INTO DEFENSIVE. LET'S REMEMBER THERE'S A REAL WORLD OUT THERE THAT PEOPLE LIVE AND FIXING. APARTMENTS ARE EXPENSIVE, RUNNING APARTMENTS ARE EXPENSIVE, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO CLEAN UP THE MESS. THE CITY OF DALLAS CAN'T AFFORD IT CLEAN UP. AND I DO NOT FAULT THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. I KNOW, UM, THIS IS YOUR WHOLE MORNING. UM, ESPECIALLY THOSE OF YOU WHO AREN'T, UH, PAID TO BE THERE NOT TO DISCOUNT OR, UM, OKAY. WE'VE HAD CLOSINGS, WE'VE HAD QUESTIONS. THE EVIDENTIARY PART OF THIS HEARING IS CLOSED IN ORDER TO, UH, DELIBERATE, UH, I'LL NEED A MOTION BEFOREHAND. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, UH, OUR COUNSEL TO REREAD THE, UM, THE, THE PART OF THE ORDINANCE THAT, THAT, UH, DEALS WITH THE THREE PRONGS. SO I'M REALLY TALKING ABOUT SECTION 25 51, UH, RATHER THAN CHERRY PICK. UM, YEAH. SECTION 27 DASH 40 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE READS A PROPERTY IS PRESUMED TO HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY. IF THE PROPERTY IS A SITE OF FIVE OR MORE AVAILABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES WITHIN 365 DAYS, RESULTING IN EITHER A REPORT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY DOCUMENTING AN, AN INVESTIGATION OF AN AVAILABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY ON THE PROPERTY OR ENFORCEMENT ACTION AGAINST ANY PERSON ASSOCIATED WITH THE AVAILABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY ON THE PROPERTY. AND TWO, AT WHICH PERSONS HAVE HISTORICALLY COMMITTED AAT CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES ACCORDING TO RECENT CRIME DATA. AND THREE, AN OWNER OF A HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTIES PRESUMED TO HAVE KNOWINGLY TOLERATED THE AVAILABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY OR CODE VIOLATIONS AT THE OWNER'S PROPERTY BY FAILING TO TAKE REASONABLE STEPS, INCLUDING THOSE OUTLINED IN SECTION 27, 40 DASH 49, SUBSECTION B, PARAGRAPH ONE OF THIS CHAPTER AS AMENDED TO ABATE THE AB OBEY CRIMINAL ACTIVITY OR CODE VIOLATIONS. THANK YOU. AND FROM, FROM THE, UH, CITY'S STANDPOINT, DOES THE BOARD HAVE A DEFINITION OF REASONABLE THAT WE, THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW? IS, IS OUR, OUR ANALYSIS THAT WE GO ON? THE CODE DOES NOT DEFINE, HAVE A DEFINITION FOR REASONABLE. SO YOU WOULD USE [02:45:01] THE ORDINARY MEANING IN THE DICTIONARY DEFINITION OF REASONABLE, UM, UH, IT'S APPROPRIATE TO, TO ASK. UM, DOES IT MATTER? UM, NO. I, I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO ASK. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU. IS THERE A MOTION? YES, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. MR. GONZALEZ. I MOVE THAT THE PERMIT AND LICENSE APPEAL BOARD AND APPEAL OF THE HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY DESIGNATION FOR THE REAL PROPERTY OF TIDES ON LARGA OWNER LLC, UH, LOCATED AT 33 30 WEB CHAPEL EXTENSION, UH, IN DALLAS, TEXAS, AFFIRMED THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE BECAUSE THE EVIDENCE MAY SHOW THAT THE PRESUMPTIONS IN SECTION SEVEN DASH 48 ARE SATISFIED. SECOND, I'M SORRY. SECONDED BY, UH, MR. JEFFERSON, UH, DISCUSSION. MR. GONZALEZ IS YOUR MOTION? MOTION? YES. THANK YOU. UM, SO I MADE THIS MOTION BECAUSE, UM, LOOKING AT, AT THAT ORDINANCE AND WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GOING OFF OF, UM, WE ARE LIMITED TO THE ISSUES THAT OF WHETHER THE PRESUMPTIONS IN THE SECTION 20, UH, SEVEN DASH 48 ARE SATISFIED, LOOKING THROUGH THOSE PRESUMPTIONS, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY ARGUMENT THAT THE CRIMES DID HAPPEN. THERE'S FIVE MORE THAN FIVE. UM, SO THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN GOVE OFF OF IS THAT SECTION C WHERE IT SAYS THE OWNER OF HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROP, OR CRIMINAL OR NUISANCE PROPERTY IS PRESUMED TO HAVE KNOWINGLY TOLERATED THE AVAILABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY OR CODE VIOLATIONS AT THE OWNER'S PROPERTY BY FAILING TO TAKE REASONABLE STEPS, UH, OUTLINES THOSE REASONABLE STEPS, LOOKING AT THE LETTER THAT THE CITY SENT TO THEM. AND SOLELY GOING OFF OF JUST ONE OF THE THINGS, THE FENCES. YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THE BIG ARGUMENTS THAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY WAS, UH, PEOPLE ARE COMING ONTO THE PROPERTY TO COMMIT THESE CRIMES OR HAVE THESE ISSUES, BUT I DO NOT FEEL THAT THIS, UH, PROPERTY OWNER HAS TAKEN THE CORRECT STEPS TO FIX THOSE. AND, UH, I MEAN, I THINK REASONABLE, I THINK WE ALL EXPECT THAT WHEN WE LIVE SOMEWHERE AND WE HAVE A LEASE, THAT THINGS WILL BE REPAIRED WITHIN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME. AND I DON'T THINK 365 DAYS IS A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO REPAIR SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS A FENCE OR A GATE TO PREVENT THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING OVER AND COMMITTING THESE CRIMES. SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR MY MOTION. MR. MR. JEFFERSON, YOU WERE THE SECOND. YEAH. WELL, I MEAN, I WOULD AGREE WITH ALL WHAT HE JUST SAID. UM, UH, ADDING TO THAT, THE ONLY OTHER THING WOULD BE WHAT IS THE INCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO COME OVER WITH CROWBAR TO BREAK INTO A PROPERTY OTHER THAN THE DRUGS THAT WAS CITED IN THIS, UH, IN THIS, UH, PRESENTATION. OKAY. UM, THAT'S IT. ARE THERE OTHER, MIGHT, ARE THERE OTHER PEOPLE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK? MEMBERS? YES. CHAIR. WHO IS THAT? MR. QUINT? YES, SIR. YES, SIR. MR. QUINT. SO JUST A COUPLE OF MORE POINTS TO, TO, TO TAG ON. UM, APPELLATE'S COUNSEL STATED THAT RESIDENT OR NON-RESIDENT THAT THAT MOST OF THE, UM, CRIME WAS BY NON-RESIDENTS. WELL, IN THE REAL WORLD, WHETHER IT'S A RESIDENT OR A NON-RESIDENT, CRIME IS CRIME. AND IF YOU LEAVE GATES OPEN, PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME IN. IF CAMERAS ARE NOT OPERATIONAL, PEOPLE ARE GONNA DO, UH, WILL COMMIT CRIME IF A GUARD IS ATTACKED THAT SAYS THAT THIS PROPERTY HAS A REAL PROBLEM. UH, MOST APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN THE REAL WORLD, UM, IF THEY ARE SAFE AND, UH, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CRIME, THEY ARE HIGH OCCUPANCY APARTMENTS. WHEN YOU HAVE 61% OF AN APARTMENT COMPLEX RENTED THAT SPELLS OUT THERE'S A PROBLEM AND THE PROBLEM IS CRIME, UM, ONE ARM, A ONE UNARMED SECURITY GUARD WITHOUT A CAR, THAT THAT'S A, A FAILED ATTEMPT AT SECURITY. UM, THIS PROPERTY NEEDS A LOT OF WORK AND A LOT OF HELP, AND I HOPE THE OWNERS ONE DAY WILL MAKE THIS PROPERTY A REALLY NICE PROPERTY AND MAKE IT SAFE. THANK YOU, MR. QUINT. ANYONE ELSE? MS. SHIP? UM, I DO AGREE WITH MR. GONZALEZ, BUT I DO WANT IT NOTED THAT I, I BELIEVE THE OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY IS MAKING FORWARD MOVEMENT TOWARDS, UH, MAKING THIS, AS MR. QUENT SAID, A PLACE THAT PEOPLE WANNA LIVE. I DO BELIEVE THOUGH WE ARE, WE ARE LOCKED IN BY THE, THE BY SECTION 27 48 AND 49 AND NOT ENOUGH STEPS WERE DONE PRIOR TO THE ACCORD [02:50:01] MEETING FOR US TO CHANGE. UM, AND WE HAVE TO AFFIRM THE, UH, CHIEF OF POLICE'S DESIGNATION, BUT I WOULD, I WANT IT TO BE KNOWN THAT WE DO SEE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING. ME PERSONALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT MOVE FASTER, UM, BECAUSE THAT IS A, THAT AREA OF THE CITY IS COMING AROUND, LIKE WAS MENTIONED. UM, IT HAS LOWER CRIME RATES, BUT WE HAVE TO STAY ON THE, THE PEDAL AND WE CAN'T LOSE SPEED. AND I THINK IF WE REVERSED THE CITY OF CHIEF, THE CHIEF OF POLICE'S, UM, DESIGNATION, THEN THAT WOULD BE US LETTING OFF THE GAS. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY OF DALLAS. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE MOTION AS WELL. IS THAT MS. TORRES? YES, MS. TORRES, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. THANK YOU, CHAIR. UM, I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF. UM, MISSION JUST KIND OF SUMMARIZED WHAT I SAID. I I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS SOME EFFORT, BUT I, I DON'T THINK THE URGENCY IS THERE TO WHERE, UM, IT NEEDS TO BE THE LEVEL OF URGENCY. I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS CITIZENS LIVING IN THESE PROPERTY DESERVES, UM, SO MUCH MORE URGENT, UM, SO MUCH MORE URGENCY FROM THE LEADERSHIP TEAM. AND I DO THINK, UM, AS FAR AS OUR PRESUMPTIONS ARE CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, THERE IS FIVE OR MORE AVAILABLE CRIMES THAT'S UNDISPUTED. UM, IT SEEMS TO HA HAVE A HISTORICALLY, UM, HA HA HAS SOME CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES, YOU KNOW, AND RECENT DATA. AND THEN, UM, IT REALLY FALLS ON C THE PRESUMPTION THAT, UM, WE, I BELIEVE THAT THE OWNER OR THE OWNERSHIP KNOWINGLY TOLERATED THE ABATE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, UM, ON SITE. AND SO IT'S VERY CLEAR FROM MY QUESTIONING AND THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED THAT, UM, THAT THE OWNERS TOLERATED THIS, OOPS, SORRY, SORRY. TOLERATED THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE OTHER SPEAKERS? UM, I'LL SPEAK THEN. I, UM, I THINK THE, THE, THE MEMBERS ARE, ARE, UH, WELL WITHIN, UM, THE, THE SCOPE OF THE, OF, OF THE STANDARD THAT WE HAVE TO APPLY TO, TO, UM, I WOULD GIVE SOME WEIGHT TO A FEW THINGS. UM, AND, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THEY, THEY AREN'T BASED ON THE, UH, SORT OF THE, THE, THE QUESTIONS THAT FALL OUTSIDE OF OUR, UH, OF OUR PURVIEW, WHICH, UH, HAVE MORE TO DO WITH, WITH WHETHER THE CITY IS EXPORTING, UH, UH, COMPLIANCE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, TO, TO PROPERTY OWNERS. THAT'S, THAT'S A QUESTION OF WRITING THE LAW. UM, THE FIRST TWO PRONGS NOBODY'S ARGUING ABOUT. UM, UH, SO WE GET TO THE THIRD, AND THEN THE THIRD WE GET TO TIMING. UM, THE STANDARD DOES NOT SAY THAT THAT ZERO CRIME HAS TO HAPPEN. UM, IT DOESN'T DEFINE, UH, THE, THE, THE SCOPE OF, OF, OF THE OWNER'S ACTIONS, UH, THAT WAY. SO, SO YOU DO HAVE TO SIT AND SAY WHAT'S REASON REASONABLE? AND, AND PART OF THAT IS WHETHER AN OWNER IS BEING SIMPLY REACTIVE OR, UM, UH, A ALLOW I'LL DO THE MINIMUM AND JUST TELL ME WHAT TO DO, UM, OR ACTUALLY TRYING TO, TO SOLVE, UH, THE PROBLEMS, WHICH BY THE WAY, AREN'T EASY TO SOLVE. UM, SO I LOOK AT THE LIST IN THE, UH, IN THE CODE, WHICH IS, WHICH IS NOT EXHAUSTIVE, BUT IT DOES HAVE SEVEN THINGS. UH, COMPLIANCE WITH STANDARDS DEMONSTRATING TO THE DIRECTOR THAT THE OWNER'S TAKING PROACTIVE STEPS TO ABATE CODE VIOLATION OWNERS COMMUNICATING ACTIVITY TO THE CHIEF AND COOPERATING WITH THE CHIEF ENFORCING LEASE CLAUSES RELATED, ET CETERA, IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL REGULATIONS GOVERNING THE OWNER'S BUSINESS, IMPLEMENTED MONITORING SURVEILLANCE, AND IMPLEMENTED THE C-P-T-E-D. A LOT OF THOSE WERE DONE [02:55:01] IN THE LOOK BACK PERIOD. BUT, YOU KNOW, I I, I DO, I DID HEAR, UH, UH, THE DETECTIVE FOCUS ON THE GATE ALMOST TO THE POINT WHERE, WHERE I HEARD HE DIDN'T, THESE ARE NOT HIS WORDS, BUT THAT, THAT IF THAT GATE WERE WERE FIXED, IT WOULD BE A WHOLE DIFFERENT WORLD. UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THE FACT THAT THERE IS A FLAT CAMERA AND, AND, UM, THE CITY AND THE POLICE DON'T, DON'T IMMEDIATELY SHARE WITH THE OWNERS. THEY'RE WORKING TOGETHER. WE ASK THE OWNERS TO, TO DO THE SAME. UM, SO WE GET BACK TO WHAT'S REASONABLE AND, AND YOU GOTTA REMEMBER IT'S WITHIN THAT, THAT TIMELINE. AND ALL I KNOW IS I SEE A, I SEE A LOT OF EFFORT, FRANKLY, A LOT MORE EFFORT THAN WE OFTEN SEE. UM, UH, I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SETTING OUR EXPECTATIONS CORRECTLY. UM, YOU KNOW, IT MAY, IT MAY FOR, I I STILL HAVEN'T BEEN, IT MAY COME DOWN TO, UM, IF IT COMES DOWN TO THE GATE, IT, IT'S HARD TO AT LEAST NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IF THEY'RE BEING TOLD THAT IT IS LEGAL OR ILLEGAL TO, UH, FROM THE PERMIT STANDPOINT TO DO SOMETHING THAT CERTAINLY WOULD CAUSE A DELAY, AS DOES ALMOST ANY CODE ISSUE. AND IF YOU'RE BEING TOLD DIFFERENT THINGS AS A, AS A, AS A LANDLORD, THAT'S, THAT'S TRICKY. UH, UH, BUT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE LIMITED IN OUR SCOPE TO, TO THAT LOOK BACK PERIOD. UM, UM, IT, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T BE SWAYED BY WHETHER THINGS ARE WORKING AND, AND, YOU KNOW, GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, ET CETERA. SO I, I DON'T THINK IT'S ONE AND TWO ARE EASY. YES, IT'S HAPPENING CRIME. NOW THE QUESTION IS WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE? WHAT IS THE THRESHOLD THAT WE EXPECT AN OWNER TO DO PROACTIVELY? AND IN MY OWN HEAD, IN ORDER TO, TO VOTE WITH THE CITY, I'D HAVE TO SIT AND SAY, ALL RIGHT, IF WE WERE BACK HERE IN A YEAR AND THE GATES WERE FIXED AND THE , WOULD IT, WOULD THAT EVEN IF EVEN IF CRIME WAS, WAS STILL HAPPENING, WOULD THAT SOLVE IT FOR ME? AND, UH, SO I I, I JUST THINK IT'S NOT QUITE AS SIMPLE AS CRIME IS HAPPENING AND, UM, YOU KNOW, OWNER HASN'T, YOU KNOW, LOCKED THE THING DOWN. I MEAN, IT IS IN FACT NOT IN ASYLUM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SO, UM, MAYBE THERE, UH, UH, SOME OF, OF MY COLLEAGUES WOULD, WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO TALK OR EVEN REACT TO THAT, BUT, UM, BUT IT, UH, NO, I DON'T. MR. GONZALEZ WAS SURE OF IT. AND SO THAT'S THE EXTENT OF MY COMMENT. UH, WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SEE MS. ALA, ARE YOU WAVING YOUR HAND? NO, NO, I WAS STRETCHING. CHAIR. POINT OF ORDER. OKAY. POINT OF ORDER. CAN WE CALL THE QUESTION? YEAH, TECHNICALLY YOU CAN CALL THE QUESTION, BUT BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE'D ACTUALLY HAVE TO TAKE A MOTION ON IT. HOW ABOUT, UH, IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE NO OTHER SPEAKERS AND WE IMMEDIATELY GO TO A VOTE. IS THAT OKAY, SIR? BECAUSE I SEE NO MORE SPEAKERS. OKAY. MS. SANCHEZ, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE RULE OR I'LL, UM, OKAY. THE MOTION IS TO, UM, UPHOLD THE DIRECTOR'S DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY AS AN, UH, HABITUAL CRIMINAL PRODUCT. UH, SO A, A YES VOTE IS IN FAVOR OF THAT. AND, AND, UH, NO OR NAY AS A YES. UH, MR. SAXON? YES. MS. AYLA? YES. MS. THOMAS? YES. MS. TORRES? YES. MR. JEFFERSON? YES. DR. JACKSON? YES. MR. JEFFERS? YES. YES. MR. CRON? YES. MR. QUINT? YES. CHAIR. MS. SHIN? YES. MR. GONZALEZ? YES. MR. AGNI VOTES? YES. [03:00:01] SO THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 TO ZERO. UM, OKAY. UM, WHAT DO I NEED TO DO FOR THE RECORD TO HANDLE THE WITHDRAWAL OF THE NEXT CASE? IS THERE ANYTHING WE NEED TO, WHAT ARE THE MAGIC WORDS? DO I NEED TO CALL IT ACKNOWLEDGE THE WITHDRAWAL? OR DO WE JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THE WITHDRAWAL? OKAY. THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE RECEIVED THIS MORNING A LETTER FROM THE APPELLANT IN, UH, IN OUR SECOND CASE, WHICH IS SOUTHWEST HOSPITALITY, UH, LP, UH, UH, TO THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW THEIR CASE. SO THE, UH, SECRETARY HAS ACCEPTED THAT AND IT IS WITHDRAWN. UM, WE HAVE A MEETING ON THE 18TH WHERE WE HAVE THREE CASES. UM, SO, UM, WE'RE EARNING OUR QUEUE OF JUNE. UM, SO THANK YOU. AND AT, UH, 11:56 AM UH, PERMIT AND LICENSE AND APPEAL BOARD MEETING IS, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.