* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] ALRIGHT, WELCOME [Landmark on July 6, 2026.] TO THIS AFTERNOON'S MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION. IT IS JULY 6TH, 2026, AND I'M CALLING THIS AFTERNOON MEETING TO ORDER AT 1 0 6. UH, MY NAME IS EVELYN MONTGOMERY. I AM THE CHAIR AND DAVID OSI SERVES AS OUR VICE CHAIR AND WE HAVE A QUORUM OF WONDERFULLY BRILLIANT LANDMARK COMMISSIONERS AVAILABLE. UM, ELAINE, IF YOU COULD PLEASE DO THE ROLL CALL OF THEM. DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS IS NOT IN ATTENDANCE TODAY. DISTRICT TWO, COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY PRESENT, DISTRICT THREE. COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER FOGLEMAN PRESENT. DISTRICT FOUR. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR PRESENT. DISTRICT SIX. COMMISSIONER OSA WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY. DISTRICT SEVEN. COMMISSIONER SMITH PRESENT. DISTRICT EIGHT. COMMISSIONER RONANKI. DISTRICT NINE. COMMISSIONER RENO. PRESENT DISTRICT 11 COMMISSIONER ANTE WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY. DISTRICT 12. COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER. PRESENT. DISTRICT 13. COMMISSIONER POSI PRESENT. DISTRICT 14TH. COMMISSIONER HARFORD PRESENT COMMISSIONERS. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON PRESENT AND COMMISSIONER RES PRESENT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. I DO NOT BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY GENERAL PUBLIC SPEAKERS FOR TODAY NOT ADDRESSING A PARTICULAR CASE SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO OUR NORMAL PRACTICE OF WORKING ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS AND THEN REARRANGING THE AGENDA TO PRIVILEGE FIRST THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SPEAKERS HERE OVER THOSE THAT HAVE NO SCHOOLS IN THAT, UH, MADAM CHAIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ? YES. COMMISSIONER RES. I'D LIKE TO MOVE DISCUSSION ITEM 12 TO THE CONSENT DOCKET. ALRIGHT, WE CAN START WITH THAT. SECOND. SECOND. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON HAS SECONDED THAT MOTION. THE MOTION IS TO MOVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12, PLEASE REFRESH MY MEMORY. IS THAT THE, UM, THE DEMOLITION OF THE TWO OUTBUILDINGS? SHE'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT TO CONSENT. YES, PLEASE. UH, ANYONE WISH TO COMMENT ON THAT BEFORE WE VOTE? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF MOVING THAT ITEM TO CONSENT, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. ALL THOSE OPPOSED . I WAS GONNA SAY PLEASE SAY NO, BUT THAT WAS GOOD ENOUGH. ALL RIGHTY. I, I THINK YOU LOST. SO, OKAY, SO WE ARE MOVING CONSENT AGENDA ITEM 12, I MEAN DISCUSSION ITEM 12 TWO. CONSENT AGENDA DISCUSSION 12. YEAH, I GOT IT RIGHT THE SECOND TIME. GIMME A BREAK. . AND NOW MR. PREZI, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DEAL WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM? ? OKAY, SO I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE, UH, ITEMS NUMBER ONE TO FOUR AND 12, UH, WHICH BEEN MOVED, WHAT 12 HAS BEEN MOVED TO CONSENT AND ONE TO FOUR. WE'RE ALREADY ON CONSENT, UH, BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. I NEED A SECOND. SECOND. THANK, I BELIEVE THE SECOND CAME FROM COMMISSIONER ROSKI. UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION HAS CARRIED. NOW LET US HAVE A MOTION ABOUT AGENDA. YES, I WOULD MOVE TO REARRANGE THE AGENDA, UM, BASED ON THOSE PRESENT, UH, WITH THE FOLLOWING. NUMBER 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 14, 8, 9, AND 13, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 14, 8, 9, 13, CORRECT. SECOND, AND OUR SECOND CAME FROM COMMISSIONER HARPER. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. THAT MOTION HAS CARRIED, WHICH MEANS THE FIRST CASE WE ARE GOING TO HEAR IS NUMBER FIVE. THAT IS OUR COURTESY REVIEW. UH, ALBERTAN. OKAY. ON BEHALF OF STAFF CURTIS REVIEW 5 4 0 7 4 7 0 4, EXCUSE ME. GASTON AVENUE, COA 26 0 0 0 2 8 4. REQUEST A COURTESY REVIEW OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW MAIN STRUCTURE ON A VACANT LOT STAFF. RECOMMENDATION COURTESY REVIEW. NO ACTION REQUIRED THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A [00:05:01] NEW MAIN STRUCTURE BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED TO FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW. IF USING CRAFTSMAN PLANS, ONE, THE GABLE SHOULD FACE THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WITH THE DORMERS FACING THE SIDES, UNLESS THE APPLICANT FIND CAN FIND EXAMPLES IN THE DISTRICT THAT HAVE THE ROOF FACING THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND THE GABLE TO THE SIDES. NUMBER TWO, COLUMNS OF THE PORCH SHOULD BE NO FARTHER FORWARD THAN THE SKIRT OF THE PORCH. NO AIRPLANE BUNGALOW VERSION TASK FORCE FEELS THAT THE SECOND FLOOR EDITION IS NOT IN SCALE WITH THE REMAINDER OF THE HOUSE AND ENCOURAGES THE APPLICANT TO STICK WITH AVER WITH THE DORMERS. IF USING THE MISSION PLANS TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, THE COURTYARD WALL IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE DISTRICT. A WROUGHT IRON BINS AROUND THE PROPERTY OR A WROUGHT IRON GATE AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE COURTYARD WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. THE ROOF LINE HARKINS TO CRAFTSMEN ARCHITECTURE, NOT MITCH MISSION, ROOF LINE SHOULD INCLUDE PARAPETS RECOMMENDED THAT FOR INSPIRATION, THE APPLICANT LOOK AT THE ARCHITECTURE OF 4,400 GASTON AVENUE, 44 25 SWISS AVENUE AND 45 25 JUNIOR STREET. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. NOW WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER FOR THIS COURTESY REVIEW. MR. PENA, JUST TO NOTE ALSO, AT THE BOTTOM THERE'S A NOTE APPLICANT DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CRAFTSMAN PLANS. ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE, I BELIEVE YOU WERE LISTENING TO OUR EARLIER DISCUSSION, SO YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR, UM, EXPRESSED CONCERNS. SO, UM, AND NOW LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR PROPOSED PROJECT. YES, YES. OKAY, THERE YOU GO. NOW YOU'RE VERY LOUD. , DO I NEED TO STATE NAME AND ALL THAT? YOU DO, YEAH, YOU DO NEED TO GIVE ME YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR PUBLIC SPEAKING. MY NAME IS FRED PENA. MY, UM, OFFICE IS AT 1218 WEST DAVIS IN DALLAS, TEXAS, 7 5 2 0 8. OKAY. UM, WHEN MY CLIENT FIRST CAME TO ME, UH, THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT STYLE WE LOOKED AT THE OPTIONS THAT THE DISTRICT, UH, UH, REQUESTED. THEY, WE NARROWED IT DOWN TO THE MISSION AND CRAFTSMEN. NOW THE, THE MISSION THAT THEY REALLY LIKED WAS MORE OF A SPANISH MISSION, WHICH IS NOT, UH, REALLY IN THE DISTRICT. I DID COME UP WITH A PLAN. YOU HEARD EVERYTHING ABOUT TASK FORCE. WE DECIDED TO, UM, MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS OPTION. AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT TASK FORCE SAID THAT, UH, THERE WERE NO SIDE FACING GABLES, UH, IN THE DISTRICT, BUT I FOUND A LOT OF THEM AND, AND THEY'RE IN THE PICTURES, SO, SO WE OPTED TO, TO PURSUE IT. AND, UH, I ADDED SOME MORE DETAIL. UH, YOU NOW HAVE THE ELEVATIONS IN FRONT OF YOU. THE, UH, DORMERS ABOVE. UH, SO, SO THIS IS A, A PSYCHIATRY OFFICE. SO PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, INITIALLY THEY WANTED TO DESIGN IT AS A HOUSE TO BE USED BY THEIR OFFICE IN CASE THEY EVER SELL IT. IT CAN STILL BE A HOUSE, BUT THEN FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY. AND, UH, THE PD DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT IT BE A HOUSE AND THEY'RE LIKE, LET'S JUST DESIGN IT FOR WHAT WE'RE USING IT FOR. THERE'S STILL SOMEWHAT OF, OF THAT KIND OF LAYOUT WITH A, THE RECEPTION CAN BE LIVING ROOM, THE OFFICE, SO I THINK IT CAN BE CONVERTED FAIRLY EASY TO SINGLE FAMILY. UM, BUT, UM, IT'S DESIGNED FOR THAT PRACTICE BECAUSE OF THAT. AND THERE'S A PARKING, UH, AREA IN THE BACK. THERE'S KIND OF TWO ENTRANCES. SO YOU ENTER INTO BIG OPEN, UH, SPACE IN THE MIDDLE PART OF IT IS DOUBLE HIGH. UH, SHE REALLY LIKES THE IDEA OF HAVING A GREENERY, UH, SO THAT WHEN THEY'RE IN THEIR OFFICE WITH A, WITH A PATIENT, THEY HAVE A VIEW OF THE, OF THE GREEN, UH, SPACE. SO THERE'S A, A LITTLE, UM, UM, SPACE IN THE CENTER OF THE BUILDING. AND THAT'S WHAT THE, THE DORMERS IS, IS THE GOAL IS TO LET SOME LIGHT, NATURAL LIGHT IN THERE, UH, SO THAT PLANTS CAN ACTUALLY GROW. UH, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD CRAFTSMEN, I THINK IT IS. UH, UM, LATELY, UH, THERE'S BEEN SOME COST SAVINGS ON, ON PROJECTS IF WE DO AN, UH, A SLAB FOUNDATION, EVEN IF IT IS RAISED. SO IT IS 18 INCHES UP, UH, UH, FROM [00:10:01] THE GRADE TO THE FIRST FLOOR. BUT WE ARE, UH, GOING TO PURSUE, UH, UH, FOR CONCRETE AS OPPOSED TO P AND BEING. UM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO, TO KIND OF DISGUISE THAT AND, AND JUST MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A SKIRTING WALL, UH, BELOW, BUT IT'S GOT AN ENTRY PORCH AND, UH, YEAH, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BEYOND THAT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AND, UM, OF COURSE, THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW, SO WE'RE JUST SHARING IDEAS BACK AND FORTH AND YOU CAN LET US KNOW. I, I KNOW YOU WORK ON A LOT OF PROJECTS ALL OVER THE CITY. I'M NOT SURE OFTEN YOU'VE BEEN IN EAST DALLAS. MM-HMM. OUR CLAY SOIL IS SORT OF LIKE LIVING ON THE OCEAN. OKAY. I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE GIANT SLAB UNDER THAT SITUATION. AT LEAST OUR OLD PURE BEINGS JUST BREAKS THE UPPER HOUSE. MM-HMM . THE FOUNDATION, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU SHOULD BE CONSIDERING THAT ASPECT OF IT. OKAY. THAT'S OKAY. GO COMMISSIONER RENE. MR. PENYA, UM, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. FIRST OF ALL, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE, THE PLAN AND THE WRAPAROUND PORCH. I THINK IT'S, IT'S REALLY DISTINCTIVE FOR, UM, FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND FOR THIS STYLE OF HOME. THE QUESTIONS I HAVE THOUGH ARE REALLY REGARDING THE, THE PORCH AND THE, AND THE, UM, THE MAIN GABLE THAT RUNS PARALLEL WITH THE STREET RATHER THAN PERPENDICULAR TO IT. MM-HMM . DOES, THE EXAMPLES YOU PROVIDED MOSTLY HAD, IN FACT, I THINK ALL OF THEM HAD A, A PORCH THAT WENT ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FRONT. SO THE, THE, UH, THE ROOF WAS HELPING TO EMPHASIZE THAT. BUT WHEN IT WRAPS AROUND THE CORNER, IT'S, IT'S SORT OF A DIFFERENT SITUATION. I REALIZE YOU, YOU PLACED A GABLE TO COME AND, UM, UH, ACCENT THAT, BUT IT, AGAIN, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE EXAMPLES YOU PROVIDED. SO CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, THE THINKING ON THE, THE PORCH AND THE, HOW IT RELATES TO THE ROAD? UM, THE, THE, ONE OF THE DRIVERS WAS IF SOMEONE PARKS IN THE BACK AND WANTS TO USE THE FRONT ENTRANCE, INSTEAD OF GOING ALL THE WAY AROUND, I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A, A CORNER KIND OF ENTRY SITUATION SO THAT, THAT'S WHY THE PORCH WRAPS AROUND A LITTLE BIT. ALSO, RECEPTION IS THROUGH THOSE WINDOWS. THAT WAY THEY HAVE A VIEW BOTH THROUGH THE FRONT AND THROUGH THE DRIVEWAY. SO, SO KIND OF, UH, ESTABLISHING THAT ENTRANCE AROUND THE CORNER. IF I FOCUS ON, INSTEAD OF, OF HAVING A STACK, UH, UM, GABLE THERE WHERE WE HAVE THE LARGE GABLE AND THEN A SMALLER ONE. I, UM, THAT SEEMED TO ME MORE OUT OF PLACE THAN, THAN HAVING THAT FRONT FACING GABLE JUST KIND OF EXTEND A LITTLE BIT TO PROVIDE SOME SHELTER FROM THE FALLING WATER. UM, THE, THE OTHER THING THAT WAS GOING THROUGH MY HEAD IS DO I REALLY WANT TO COPY PASTE? UM, I FEEL LIKE I KIND OF START GETTING INTO CONJECTURAL, LIKE PRETENDING THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE. SO, SO KIND OF TAKING SOME CUES OF, OF DIFFERENCES IN, IN THAT APPROACH WAS, WAS KIND OF A WAY OF SETTING IT APART FROM THE THINGS THAT ARE THERE. BECAUSE IT, I GUESS TO ME, YOU COULD ALSO, I MEAN, IF THE GABLE WAS ROTATED 90 DEGREES, YOU COULD ALSO ADD, UM, UH, THE SMALLER DORMERS OR, OR EVEN JUST ANOTHER SMALLER GABLE FACING, UH, TOWARD THE SIDE. SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD SHED THE WATER THE WAY YOU WANT IT TO AT THE, AT THAT ENTRANCE. UM, YEAH, I'M JUST FEELING A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCONNECT BETWEEN, AGAIN, THE EXAMPLES THAT YOU PROVIDED, WHICH ARE, UM, THEY'RE QUITE NICE. I MEAN, MOST OF THEM ARE, ARE SYMMETRICAL OR ALMOST COMPLETELY SYMMETRICAL. UM, THIS ONE AGAIN, BECAUSE THE PORCH IS SORT OF TURNED OFF TO THE SIDE, UM, I MEAN, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PLAN MOVE, BUT I THINK THE MASSING, UH, HA HAD, DID YOU EXPERIMENT WITH, WITH TURNING THE GABLE THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION AS WELL? I DID. UM, ONE THING I DIDN'T LIKE ABOUT IT IS THAT IN ORDER FOR IT TO FEEL, UM, LIKE IT BELONGS THERE, IT HAS TO STICK OUT, I THINK FIVE FEET AT LEAST OR SO. AND, AND UNLESS WE DO KIND OF A PORT SHARE WHERE, WHERE IT GOES OVER THE DRIVEWAY NOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO SHRINK IT BACK BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE CAN'T GET INTO THE SETBACK. UH, SO, SO I, I FELT LIKE IT WAS TOO, TOO DINKY , TOO LITTLE, UM, AND TOO DIMENSIONAL ON THAT SIDE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, ANYBODY ELSE? REMEMBER THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW. THE MORE HELP WE GIVE, THE BETTER. I'LL PROBABLY GET BACK NEXT TIME. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, YOUR MIC IS NOT ON. [00:15:08] ARE YOU HEAR ME NOW? YEAH, YOU'RE HERE NOW. OKAY, GOOD. UM, IT APPEARS FROM THE, UH, ELEVATION THAT THE, THERE IS A RAISED FOUNDATION. IS IT AT LEAST 18 INCHES? YES, I HAVE IT AT, AT 18 INCHES. OKAY. UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE, THE SIDE ENTRY FOR PEOPLE FROM THE BACK COMING IN, BUT IT APPEARS THAT THERE IS NO FRONT ENTRY. IS THAT CORRECT? I HAVE THE, THE SIDEWALK, IF SOMEBODY APPROACHES ON FOOT, I HAVE THE SIDEWALK JUST TIED AGAINST THE DRIVEWAY USING THAT SAME SIDE ENTRY APPROACH. I, I THINK THE BUILDING MUST HAVE A FRONT ENTRANCE IN, IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. EVERYONE HAS A FRONT ENTRANCE. IF YOU WANT A SECOND ENTRY OFF THE DRIVEWAY, IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE, BUT IT REALLY NEEDS TO HAVE A FRONT ENTRANCE. OKAY. AND I THINK THAT ENTRANCE ALSO NEEDS TO HAVE, UH, UH, STEP BUTCHERS OR CHEEK WALLS. UM, YOU KNOW, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, UH MM-HMM . THE, THE, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE BA THE BASIS OF THE COLUMNS? I CAN'T REALLY SEE THAT HERE. ARE THEY BRICK OR, I HAVE THEM AT WOOD, BUT I DO HAVE THEM GOING DOWN TO GRADE, WHICH IS ONE OF THEIR, UM, SPECIFIC ITEMS LISTED IN THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE. EXAMPLES OF THE ORDINANCE. I THINK IT'D BE BETTER IF THEY WERE BRICK AND THEN YOU COULD DO A BRICK, UM, BUTTRESS WITH A CASTSTONE CAP BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO HAVE A, A MAJOR FRONT ENTRANCE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE IS FINE. I'M ASSUMING THAT IT IS, UH, WOOD SIDING AND WOOD WINDOWS. IT DOESN'T INSPECT THAT OUT, BUT I ASSUME THAT, IS IT NOVELTY OR LAPS SIDING. LAP SIDING. AND WHAT IS THE, THE LAP, IS IT A THREE OR FOUR INCH LAP OR WHAT IS THE I WAS GOING FOR LIKE A, A FIVE AND A HALF, SIX INCH LAP. LEMME ASK SOME OF THE ARCHITECTS. IS THAT TOO, IS THAT TOO, UM, WIDE FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? IT'S A LITTLE WIDE MAYBE. I DON'T KNOW. YOU SAID IT'S FIVE TO SIX INCH LAP. THE THE OTHER THING I'VE ADDED SINCE, UH, FOR, FOR THE APPLICATION IS, IS CORNER TRIM SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO MIRE THE LAP SIDING. YEAH. YEAH. IT SHOULD HAVE, IT SHOULD HAVE CORNER BOARDS. YES. UM, AND THE WINDOWS ARE WOOD. I'M ASSUMING THAT'S, THAT'S THE INTENT. YES. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? YOU DID, YOU DID A VERY GOOD JOB. THANK YOU. I, I GUESS I'LL JUST BRING UP A QUESTION SO THAT IT DOESN'T END UP BEING A QUESTION WHEN THE REAL APPLICATION COMES THROUGH. SO JUST ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE, UH, ATTACHED GARAGE AND THE REASON FOR IT SINCE IT'S GONNA BE A BUSINESS? MM-HMM. UM, SO THE OWNERS ARE, ARE A COUPLE AND, UH, HE'S A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT HER SAFETY IF SHE'S GOING TO BE THERE BY HERSELF, UH, DURING THE DAY. UH, HE, HE WOULD LIKE FOR HER TO HAVE, UM, THE GARAGE SO THAT SHE CAN PARK IN THERE AND GO IN THE BUILDING. UM, UH, AND, AND SAFETY MAY FOLLOW UP QUESTION FOR STAFF. I, MY READING THE ORDINANCE, I DON'T SEE THAT DETACHED OR AT ATTACHED GARAGES ARE SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED OTHER THAN JUST THE TYPICAL, KIND OF TYPICAL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD LANGUAGE. SO IS IS THAT CORRECT? I, I DON'T THINK IT'S PROHIBITED SPECIFICALLY, BUT HE'S GONNA LOOK, I CAN'T RECALL IT IN, IN PEAKS THAT IT WOULD BE PROHIBITED. AND I'M THINKING I'M JUST BRINGING IT UP SO THAT WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS DOES COME FORWARD FULLY, THAT WE ARE NOT ASKING THIS QUESTION THEN AND HAVE TO BACK IT UP. YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT A COUPLE HAVE MADE IT PAST US IN THE PART OF PEAKS THAT'S ON THAT SIDE OF GASTON FURTHER AWAY FROM GASTON. UH, BUT IN GENERAL, IF THEY SHOW IS GARAGES, I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE GOT, WE GOT A GOOD IDEA. I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN THE ORDINANCE SAYS THEY ARE ALLOWED. THEY'RE, THEY CAN'T BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. THIS ONE WOULD BE FROM THE SIDE. THIS ONE'S LIKE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM THE, WELL, IT WOULD ONLY BE FROM THE SIDE VISIBLE BECAUSE THERE'S NO BUILDING THERE. RIGHT. BUT SOMEDAY THERE MIGHT BE A BUILDING MM-HMM . BUT THERE IS A BIG TREE ON THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE IN THE FRONT YARD. YEAH. THERE, THERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD BUILDING THAT I GUESS SHOWS SOME OF PEOPLE WALL OF THE GARAGE. I JUST HAVE ONE MORE THING. UM, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE ELEVATION PLEASE? YES. ONE SECOND. I WAS HAVING ISSUES. ONE SECOND. [00:20:07] CAN YOU ENLARGE THE FRONT ELEVATION A LITTLE BIT? IS THAT POSSIBLE? YEAH, IT IS. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THIS WAS EMAILED TO ALL OF YOU, SO IF IT'S EASIER FOR YOU TO OPEN IT UP AND REALLY MOVE IT AROUND, UM, I MADE SURE IT WAS EMAILED OVER LUNCHTIME. UM, IT APPEARS THAT THE, THE GANGED WINDOWS HAVE TWO, UM, IT'S LIKE THEY PUT TWO WINDOWS TOGETHER AND IT SHOULDN'T IT BE ONE, ONE BOARD ON THE GANGED WINDOW INSTEAD OF TWO WINDOWS PUT TOGETHER. THAT MIGHT JUST BE A, A GRAPHIC ERROR, BUT YEAH, IT SHOULD HAVE ONE LARGE, PARDON ME? HE IS GONNA NOTE THAT. YEAH, IT'S A DRAFTING ISSUE AT THE MOMENT. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. OKAY, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE STILL WEIGHING ON STAFF'S CONFIRMATION OF WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS ABOUT THE GARAGES. WE ARE NOT FINDING ANY LANGUAGE ABOUT BARR GARAGES IN THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE. NO, IT'S VERY GENERAL. OTHER THAN LIKE ON ACCESSORY STRUCTURES LIKE WHERE THE GARAGE, THE GARAGE DOOR WOULD BE LOCATED. THAT'S IT. THAT, THAT IS THE NORM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT DOES NOT PRECLUDE NOR, I MEAN IT'S GOOD TO HAVE A GARAGE. I GUESS IT'S JUST, UM, HOW CONCERNED ARE YOU ABOUT THE GARAGE COMMISSIONER HARPER? DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD GET IN THE WAY OF APPROVAL IN ANY WAY? I'M NOT. I MEAN, CONCEIVABLY THERE'S ROOM FOR IT TO BE A DETACHED GARAGE. THAT'S WHY I WANT TO ASK WHAT THE TINT WAS. 'CAUSE IT'S OBVIOUSLY MORE COMMON IN OLD, THESE OUTLETS HAVE DETACHED AUDIENCE. WE KNOW ABOUT THOSE. THAT'S WHY I WANNA KNOW WHAT THE INTERPRETATION WAS AN ORDINANCE. 'CAUSE I ALSO DIDN'T REALLY SEE ANYTHING OTHER THAN IN THIS GENERAL COMPATIBILITY. AGAIN, I'M BRINGING IT UP ONLY SO THAT WHEN THIS COMES FORTH OFFICIALLY, WE'RE NOT ASKING BIG PICTURE IDEAS. I'M TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE. YEAH. SO MY MENTION TO THE CLIENTS THAT IT'S POSSIBLE THIS COULD INTERFERE WITH THEIR FINAL APPROVAL. IF THEY'RE WILLING TO GO ANOTHER WAY, IT MAKES THEM FEEL ANY BETTER. I WORK AT HOME JUST TWO BLOCKS AWAY ALL DAY AND NOTHING'S EVER HAPPENED TO ME. SO LIVED THERE FOR 30 YEARS. OKAY. IS THAT ALL THE ADVICE WE HAVE? WELL THEN YOU MUST HAVE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB IF WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY MORE THINGS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT. . THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IT'S A VERY GOOD DESIGN. THANK YOU. I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE GONNA BE TRYING TO HURRY BACK. SO YES, WE'RE BACK SOON. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. OKAY, NEXT UP IS D SIX, WHICH IS ON COMMERCE STREET. STAFF WILL PLEASE READ THAT IN. OKAY, GOOD. EXCUSE ME. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF. DISCUSSION ITEM D SIX. THE FILE NUMBER IS TWO SIX DASH 2 2 2 4 A. UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS AT 34 0 1 COMMERCE STREET IN COUNCIL DISTRICT TWO. IT'S THE DALLAS TENT AND AWNING, ALSO KNOWN AS THE MURRAY BUILDING CASE NUMBER COA DASH 26 DASH 2 7 3. THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXISTING WOOD FRAMED DOUBLE ENTRANCE DOORS ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION OF THE MAIN BUILDING WITH ALUMINUM FRAMED DOUBLE DOORS. STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXISTING WOOD FRAMED DOUBLE ENTRANCE DOORS ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION OF THE MAIN BUILDING WITH ALUMINUM FRAMED DOUBLE DOORS BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE. THE PROPOSED ALUMINUM STOREFRONT DOOR SYSTEM IS VISUALLY INCOMPATIBLE AND PROFILE NON HISTORIC AND MATERIAL AND DOES NOT REPRODUCE THE MASSING PANELING OR CONFIGURATION EXPECTED, EXPECTED RATHER FOR HISTORIC INDUSTRIAL DOORS. THEREFORE, THE PROPOSED WORK WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING AND IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERION. SECTION THREE POINT 12 UNDER FENESTRATIONS AND OPENINGS DALLAS CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. ASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXISTING WOOD FRAMED DOUBLE ENTRANCE DOORS ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION OF THE MAIN BUILDING WITH ALUMINUM FRAMED DOUBLE DOORS WILL BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE. REPLACING THE EXISTING WOOD DOOR WITH A NEW WOOD DOOR IS MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE BUILDING THAN REPLACING IT WITH A NEW MET TOOTH. THANK YOU. AND NOW WE HAVE THREE SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FOR THIS. UH, I DON'T KNOW WHICH OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED FIRST. NO, CAN YOU HEAR ME? WELCOME. WE NEED YOU TO START ON THIS CASE [00:25:01] BY SAYING YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOU HAVE TO PROMISE OR AFFIRM THAT YOU WILL TELL ME THE TRUTH. I KNOW YOU WERE PLANNING TO, BUT YOU MUST PROMISE. UH, REESE BOWEN. CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? IS IT ON, UH, REESE BOWEN? WHAT? UM, MY ADDRESS IS 6 7 2 7 INVERNESS LANE. AND, AND I'M GONNA SPEAK THE TRUTH. OKAY, GO AHEAD. NOW YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO GIVE US FURTHER INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. OKAY. I DON'T THINK IT'LL TAKE THAT LONG. I'M JUST GONNA GO OVER KIND OF SIMPLY WHAT, UM, WHAT THE GOAL IS. UM, WE'RE BASICALLY PROPOSING TO REPLACE THE DAMAGED LEASING OFFICE ENTRY WOOD DOORS WITH METAL DOORS, UM, FOR SECURITY AND MAINTENANCE PURPOSES. UM, THE BUILDING ORIGINALLY ON, ON THE GROUND FLOOR HAD WOOD STOREFRONT, UM, FACING, UM, COMMERCE STREET. AND I SUBMITTED THAT IN, UM, THE PICTURES THAT I, UM, OF THE SUBMITTAL. UM, THE EXISTING LEASING OFFICE DOORS ARE NOT, UH, THE BUILDING WAS RENOVATED IN 19 94, 95, UM, BY OGLES B GREEN. I ACTUALLY WORKED, UM, FOR OGLES B GREEN AT THAT POINT IN TIME. SO THIS BUILDING, THE MURRAY BUILDING WAS RENOVATED AT THE SAME TIME AS FARM AND RANCH. UM, AND AT THE SAME TIME AS THE CONTINENTAL BUILDING, WHICH ARE ALL IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER. UM, THE, UH, THE ORIGINAL ENTRY LOCATION, HISTORIC TO THE BUILDING, UM, WAS IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER FACING COMMERCE. SO THIS IS NOT THE ORIGINAL LOCATION, UM, OF THE ENTRIES OF OF THE ORIGINAL ENTRY. UM, WHEN IT WAS BUILT IN 1921. UM, THE ORIGINAL, UM, ENTRY WAS LOCATED IN THE VERY SOUTHWEST CORNER. UM, THE, THERE'S TWO OTHER ENTRIES IN THIS BUILDING, UH, FOR TENANTS ON THE EAST AND WEST FACADE. THOSE ENTRIES ARE BOTH FULL, UM, FULL HEIGHT, UM, BUTT GLAZED GLASS. UM, WE'RE BASICALLY PROPOSING TO MATCH THE EXISTING WOOD DOORS WITH NEW PAINTED METAL DOORS. UM, THEY WOULD MATCH IN, UM, SIZE, LIGHT CONFIGURATION AND A BRUSHED ON FINISH. UM, WE'RE PROPOSING ALUMINUM DOORS DUE TO THE CONTINUAL MAINTENANCE ISSUES THAT OCCURRED, UM, AND DETERIORATION EXPERIENCED WITH THE WOOD DOORS. UM, THE WOOD DOORS, UH, HAVE, HAVE WARPED AND THEY HAVE BEEN A CONTINUAL, UM, LIKE I SAID, MAINTENANCE ISSUE. UM, WE'RE PROPOSING A BLACK PAINTED FINISH ON THE DOORS, WHICH IS WHAT'S THERE NOW. UM, AND UH, OUR THOUGHT IS IS, AND AND THE REASON THEY'RE BLACK IS THIS WILL SIGNAL A DEFINITIVE LEASING OFF OFFICE ENTRY TO THE VISITORS, UM, AND TENANTS AS, AS WELL, AS WELL AS AVOIDING, UM, HAND PRINTS AND SMUDGING, WHICH OCCURS WITH WHITE DOORS DUE TO THE HEAVY TRAFFIC THAT THIS, UH, LEASING OFFICE GETS. UM, THE PROPOSED DOORS WOULD HAVE NEW HARDWARE AS STATED, UM, WHICH IS COMMERCIAL GRADE AS OPPOSED TO THE, UH, EXISTING LOCK AND LEVER HARDWARE. UM, TEMPERED GLASS IS BEING PROPOSED IN MANY DOORS. UM, AND DYLAN WITH STOKED OUT SERVICES, UM, IS GONNA SPEAK TO THE CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUES AND THE APPROACH. AND THEN CHEWY, UH, WILL, WITH WINDOWS L CHEWY WILL SPEAK, UM, TO THE BENEFITS OF ALUMINUM VERSUS WOOD IN THE CIRCUMSTANCE. ALRIGHT, SO TIME FOR THE NEXT SPEAKER? YEP. THAT, THAT OKAY? YES, THAT'S FINE. , WE DON'T MAKE YOU TALK FOR THREE MINUTES, WE JUST OFFER THAT MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO AGAIN, I NEED YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOUR SOLEMN SWEARING THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LIE. MY NAME IS DYLAN STOKES WI STOKE.SERVICES. MY ADDRESS IS 4 4 5 5 COUNTY ROAD 26 0 8 , TEXAS. UH, PROMISE I'LL TELL THE TRUTH. SO BASICALLY I GOT ASKED TO, UM, REPLACE THESE DOORS FOR MAINLY SECURITY AND MAINTENANCE WORK. LIKE WHAT REESE SAID. UM, IT IS THE MAIN OFFICE FOR MULTIPLE DIFFERENT APARTMENT PROPERTIES, UH, HISTORICAL APARTMENT PROPERTIES, AND IT GETS A LOT OF TRAFFIC. AND SO THEY WANTED METAL DOORS FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, THE WEAR AND TEAR. AND THEIR MAIN CONCERN WAS, WELL, HOW'S IT GONNA LOOK ON THE OUTSIDE? SO WE WOULD GET ALUMINUM STOREFRONT DOORS, WE'D PRIME 'EM AND WE'D PAINT THEM AND IT, THE, THE GLASS IS THE EXACT SAME SIZE. THE DOORS ARE THE SAME SIZE. WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANY OF THE SKY SIDELIGHTS OR THE OTHER WINDOWS NEARBY. IT'S JUST THE DOORS IN THE FRAME ITSELF. UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, THE PAINT APPLICATION WOULD BE BRUSHED ON JUST LIKE THE ORIGINAL FINISH THAT IT DID RIGHT NOW. SO IN LOOKS IT WOULD BE VERY IDENTICAL UNTIL YOU OPEN THE DOOR, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FEEL THAT SMELL. SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY, ONLY DIFFERENCE. OKAY. AND THEN I, I CAN SPEAK, I CAN SPEAK ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WOODEN ROOM AND REESE KINDA ALREADY HIT ON IT. THE WOOD'S GONNA ROT AND DETERIORATE. UH, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA REPAINT IT MORE OFTEN, UH, BECAUSE THE, THE WOOD'S GONNA PEEL OFF WITH METAL. UM, IT'S NOT GONNA PEEL OFF, FIX LONGER TO [00:30:01] DETERIORATE AND RUST. SO THAT'S REALLY THE MAIN DIFFERENCE QUESTION. OKAY. AND, AND BE AWARE THAT A LOT OF OUR CONCERN TENDS TO BE APPEARANCE FOR US . YES. YES. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, LIKE THE, THE, THE, THE GLASS, THE SIDE OR THE THE GLASS OF THE DOORS ARE THE SAME SIZE AS IT LOOKS VERY EXISTING. THE, UH, EDGE OF WE PAINTED BLACK AROUND THE DOOR WITH THE SAME SIZE. UM, IF YOU COULD PULL UP A PICTURE OF THE ORIGINAL DRAWER AND THEN WE PUT A RENDERING IN THERE TOO, IT'S, IT'S REALLY THE SAME. THE ONLY THING DIFFERENT IS YOU'LL HAVE A CONTINUOUS HINGE ON THE LEFT AND RIGHT SIDE COMPARED TO, UH, I THINK YOU'VE GOT 400 ON EACH SIDE OF IT. SO, UM, AND THEN THE HARDWARE WOULD BE UPGRADED TO COMMERCIAL HARDWARE FOR MORE USE. 'CAUSE THE, UH, EXISTING HARDWARES HAVING TO BE REPLACED IN LOT OF. ALL RIGHTY. AND IS MR. JESUS ALSO GOING TO I HE'S, NO, HE, HE DOESN'T WANNA TALK TO ME. HE DOESN'T WANNA, THINK'S FINE. HE'S NERVOUS. ALRIGHTY. COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS. DON'T GET COMFORTABLE. YOU'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO COME ASK A QUESTION. COMMISSIONER SMITH, WERE YOU GETTING READY? WELL, YOU LOOK, IT'S, UM, NO, I HAD SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ONE. UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND, YOU KNOW, MATERIALS AND UM, AND STYLE AND UH, CHARACTER OF THE ORIGINAL DOORS AND TRYING TO MATCH, YOU KNOW, WOOD. SO IF WE'RE ABLE TO MATCH THE, THE STYLES AND RAILS, SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE PROPORTION IS THE SAME OF GLASS OR RATIO IS THE SAME OF GLASS TO, TO A SOLID. UH, THAT'S CERTAINLY GOING A LONG WAY. THE OTHER THING THOUGH THAT GIVES IT A WAY TO ME AND AUTOMATICALLY SAYS IT'S A METAL DOOR IS THE HARDWARE YOU'VE SELECTED. I MEAN, I, I CAN SEE THAT DOOR RIGHT THERE COMING INTO THIS SPACE. UM, AND I BELIEVE IT'S THE EXACT SAME STYLE OF, OF HARDWARE. UM, THE EXAMPLE THAT YOU'VE SHOWN IN THE WILLIAMS SONOMA, YOU KNOW, EXAMPLE THAT'S, UH, UM, OBVIOUSLY A, UH, A DIFFERENT STYLE AND INDICATIVE OF, OF MORE OF A RESIDENTIAL AND OR, UH, YOU KNOW, EARLY RETAIL, UH, OF A 1921, UH, BUILDING. UM, HAVE YOU GIVEN ANY ADDITIONAL THOUGHT TO ALTERNATIVE, UH, HARDWARE? WELL, I, I DON'T KNOW WHO SUBMITTED THE WILLIAMS SONOMA PHOTO. UM, BUT HARDWARE SURE THAT CAN DEFINITELY BE DISCUSSED, BUT THAT WAS JUST A STANDARD, LIKE I SAID, A STANDARD HARDWARE PACKAGE THAT WE PUT ON COMMERCIAL FOREFRONT. BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT REQUEST, WE CAN, WE CAN THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE HAVE A QUESTION? COMMISSIONER? MAYBE JUST A CONFIRMATION SIMILAR. THE, THE COMMENT WAS THAT THE, THE LIGHT SIZE WOULD MATCH. AND SO I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT Y'ALL CAN MATCH THE EXISTING STYLE OF RAIL WIDTHS BECAUSE THE PRODUCT DATA SHOWS A FIXED DIMENSION THAT YEAH, WE'RE GONNA MATCH THE, THE DOOR THAT I DIDN'T FIT. OKAY. SO THAT BOTTOM RAIL, THAT'S LIKE A FOOT TALL VERSUS THE NINE INCHES IN THE PRODUCT DATA. RIGHT. OKAY. I I JUST ESTIMATE STAFF THAT WE, WE GET THAT INCLUDED AS THE CONDITION. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER REEVES, CAN WE JUST GO AHEAD AND PUT A METAL DOOR, EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO PUT A WOOD DOOR, WE CAN MAKE THE DETERMINATION THAT WE WOULD ALLOW A METAL DOOR IF IT, YOU KNOW, IF WE DECIDED THAT IT MET THE NEEDS OF THE PRESERVATION DISTRICT. THEY JUST PUT THAT LAST DOOR IN 11 YEARS AGO. DID THEY PUT IN LOWER QUALITY SO THAT IT DIDN'T LAST? I DON'T, GENTLEMEN, WHY IS YOUR 11-YEAR-OLD DOOR ALREADY DOCK? I THINK THAT DOOR'S OLDER THAN THAT. NOT ACCORDING TO OUR RECORDS. OKAY. OKAY. WELL THAT'S A WOODEN DOOR. AND I GUESS THAT'S PART OF THE ARGUMENT IS THAT WOULDN'T, YEAH, I DON'T, DON'T THINK SOMEONE PUT ANYTHING IN CHEEK PURPOSELY MADE IT, UM, DETERIORATE. I, I THE OWNER WOULD PREFER THE DOOR TO LAST AS LONG AS IT COULD. OBVIOUSLY OWNERS USUALLY DO WANT THAT. YEAH, . OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? 'CAUSE IF NOT, IT'S TIME FOR SOMEONE TO HAVE A MOTION THAT WOULD, IF IT WERE SOME SORT OF APPROVAL, HOPEFULLY INCLUDE THE ASSURANCES ABOUT HOW IT'S GONNA EXACTLY MATCH THE OLD DOOR APPEARANCE. I JUST HAVE ANOTHER QUICK QUESTION. ALL RIGHT. I DIDN'T HEAR THEM ACTUALLY SAY THAT [00:35:01] THEY WOULD DO MORE OF THE WILLIAMS SONOMA DOORKNOBS VERSUS THAT . I, I I BELIEVE WHAT THEY SAID WAS THAT THAT WAS AN ISSUE, THAT WAS SOMETHING THEY COULD CONSIDER. AND OF COURSE IF WE'RE READY TO MAKE A MOTION, A THE MOTION MAKER COULD CERTAINLY INCLUDE THAT IN THEIR MOTION IF ALL THE MOTION MAKER WOULD STEP UP. , I HAVE A MOTION WE KNEW YOU WOULD IF WE JUST WAITED. I WAS LOOKING FOR IT IN THE AGENDA. OKAY. UM, REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM, UH, D 6 2 6 2 2 2 4 A, ALSO KNOWN AS 34 0 1 COMMERCE STREET THAT WE, UM, UH, LET'S SEE THAT WE APPROVE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT, UM, THE SIZE OF OR PROPORTION OF GLASS TO, UM, TO SOLID DOOR. BOTH THE DIMENSIONS OF THE STYLES AND THE RAILS MATCH, UH, A WOOD FRAMED DOOR. UM, REALIZE THAT THE EXISTING DOOR WASN'T ORIGINAL, ORIGINAL, BUT WE DO WANNA MATCH THOSE PROPORTIONS. SECONDARILY, THE, THE, OR RATHER THE, UM, CONDITION IS THAT THE, UM, HARDWARE RESEMBLES A, UM, A PERIOD DOOR. I KNOW THAT'S A BIT AMBIGUOUS. UM, 'CAUSE DISCUSSION'S GONNA COME AS WHAT'S THE PROPER STYLE? UM, SORRY, I'M THINKING OFF MY THINKING OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD HERE. UM, DOES STAFF HAS ANY SUGGESTION? 'CAUSE WE KNOW WHEN THE BUILDING WAS BUILT, IT'S A COMMERCIAL STYLE, RIGHT? HOW ABOUT SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, UH, TYPICAL TO A COMMERCIAL OR WAREHOUSE TYPE BUILDING OF THE 1920S? AND THEN YOU MIGHT HAVE TO THROW IN THAT THAT STAFF WILL HAVE TO MAKE THE FINAL OKAY THAT, UM, THAT THE HARDWARE MATCH, UH, A PERIOD 1920S, UH, BUILDING AND THAT STAFF WILL, UH, ASSIST IN HELPING MAKE THAT SELECTION. SECOND. ALRIGHT, OUR SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER REEVES. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES, YES. AND HE OPPOSED THIS MOTION. COMMISSIONER RENO, ARE YOU INDICATING OPPOSITION? I MEAN, RENO COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER, ARE YOU INDICATING OPPOSITION? NO, YOU WERE JUST HOLDING YOUR HAND UP FOREVER. OKAY. . ALL RIGHT. IT APPEARS YOUR MOTION HAS CARRIED, SIR. UM, AND, AND STAFF WILL NOTE AS THE PAPERWORK GOES FORWARD, WHAT OUR CONDITIONS WERE AND THEN, UM, OUR, OUR, OUR WONDERFUL CO COMMISSIONER ADRIAN WILL BE AROUND TO CHECK OUT AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE PERFECT. SO Y'ALL DO A GOOD JOB SINCE YOU'RE SO TRUTHFUL AS YOU MAKE CLEAR TODAY. , THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. APPRECIATE IT. ALRIGHTY. WE'RE UP TO NUMBER SEVEN, COLUMBIA AVENUE. YES, CHRISTINA PRESS ON BEHALF OF STAFF. UM, DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 7 56 COLUMBIA AVENUE, COA 2 6 0 0 0 2 3 5 REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REBUILD AND RECONFIGURE THE EXISTING NON-ORIGINAL SIDE EDITION REQUESTS. UH, EXCUSE ME, STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE APPROPRIATENESS TO REBUILD AND RECONFIGURE THE EXISTING ORIGINAL SIDE EDITION BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. ONE THAT THE ROOF OF THE SIDE EDITION BE HIP WITH A SIX OVER 12. PITCH TWO THAT ALL REPLACEMENT SIDING BE ONE 17 NOVELTY WOOD SIDING TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL AND THREE, THAT ALL FENESTRATIONS REMAIN AND NOT BE REMOVED. IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTION EIGHT, CITY CODE SECTION FIVE 4.501 G SIX CI FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REBUILD AND RECONFIGURE THE EXISTING SIDE ADDITION ROOF BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS INDICATE A DESTRUCTIVE HIP OR GABLE ROOF FROM THE DORMER SIDE ADDITION. AND THAT DETAILING MATCHES THE EXISTING MAIN STRUCTURE. RECOMMEND THAT THE SIDE ELEVATION WITH THE DRUMMER SHOW MORE INFORMATION THAT THE HIP ROOF IS MORE APPROPRIATE AND THAT THE ROOT SPECIFICATION SHEET AND SIDE ELEVATION ROOF [00:40:01] SPECIFICATIONS MATCH. THANK YOU. AND WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS REGISTERED FOR THIS. I DON'T KNOW WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST. HELLO. NAME, ADDRESS, PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. . HI FRIENDS, , MY NAME'S GARY BUCKNER. LIVE AT 56 32 COLUMBIA AVENUE, THREE DOORS DOWN FROM THE PROPOSED PROJECT. I'M GENERAL CONTRACTOR. I'M DOING WORK TO REBUILD THE HOUSE. I MOVED ONTO THAT BLOCK ABOUT 50 YEARS AGO AND WE DEVELOPED THAT WHOLE BLOCK AND MADE IT AS HISTORIC AS WE CAN IMAGINE. WE GOT INCORPORATED ABOUT 15 TO 18 YEARS AGO INTO SOCIETY AND WE'VE UH, I'VE REMODELED EIGHT OF 10 HOMES ON THE STREET AND WE DO FOLLOW THE RULES. WE TRY AND, UH, MAINTAIN THAT INTEGRITY OF HISTORICAL NATURE AND WE ENJOY IT. UH, WHEN, UH, TOM, MY, THE OWNER OF THE HOUSE IS HOUSE CAUGHT FIRE, APRIL 1ST. AND WE'VE BEEN, UH, STARTING IN THE REMODEL, IT GOT PERMITS AND THE CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS AND WE ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE TIME TO EXTEND THE, THE ROOF, UH, OVER THE CARPORT. THE WHERE LOOKS MORE APPROPRIATE RIGHT NOW, IT'S A FLAT ROOF. IT'S BORING. IT'S NOT, UH, OF THE INTEREST. THE EXTENSION THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, LOOKS GREAT AND WE THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE AND WE'D LIKE TO GET YOUR PERMISSION TO GO AHEAD WITH WHAT WE HAVE PLANNED. AND, UH, I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE TO, UH, QUESTIONS. OKAY, SIR. AND UM, MR. BROOKS, WE'RE GOING TO SPEAK AS WELL. SO WE ALSO NEED YOU, SIR, TO DO YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THOMAS TO TELL THE TRUTH. RIGHT. MY NAME IS THOMAS BROOKS. I LIVE AT SIX 16 COLUMBIA AVENUE. AND I PROMISE YOU, I'M GOING TO TELL THE TRUTH. OUT OF THE PEN HOUSES ON THE BLOCK, 12 OF THEM HAVE GABLE ROOTS, INCLUDING FIVE OF WHICH ARE DORM, ONE OF WHICH IS MINE. UH, THE HIP ROOT. THE STATEMENT ABOUT THE HIP ROOT SAYS IT IS MORE APPROPRIATE, I THINK IN THE CONTEXT OF THE BLOCK THAT I LIVE ON IS NOT A SINGLE EXTENSION. EXTENSION OUT OF THE MAIN HOUSE HAS HIP ROOF, BUT THERE ARE 12 THAT HAVE GABLE ROOTS SUGGEST THAT MAYBE I'D BE BETTER OFF FROM THE GABLE ROUTE. IN THE MEANTIME, I'D LIKE TO THANK MR. WATSON AND SAID THE NEIGHBOR OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD TEND TO KNOW BETTER. I'VE GOT ANOTHER NEIGHBOR RIGHT HERE TO SAY THAT. AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, HIS COMMENTS ON FLEXIBILITY. I APPRECIATE THAT FLEXIBILITY TO . THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, THANK YOU SIR. NOW QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS OR DID YOUR OTHER, DID YOUR NEIGHBOR ALSO WISH TO SPEAK? 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT SIGNED UP YET, BUT YOU CAN'T THIS IS MY NEIGHBOR. OH, HE, HE'S THE ONLY NEIGHBOR. I THOUGHT YOU MEANT THERE WAS SOMEONE ELSE TOO. I THOUGHT YOU BROUGHT A WHOLE GANG TO ARGUE YOUR POINT OF VIEW. I, I I'D BE GLAD TO BRING HIM IS GONNA HELP. YEAH, NO, I LET, LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS. OKAY, COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER OSI. UM, SO YOU HEARD THIS MORNING EARLIER ABOUT THE SIDING AND THE WOOD SIDING VERSUS VINYL SIDING. WHAT, UH, WHAT'S GONNA BE DONE WITH WITH THAT SECTION OF THE HOUSE? ABOUT 80% OF THE SIDING ON THE HOUSE IS NOT, THE PICTURES THAT WE DREW ARE FOR THE FRONT WERE THE MOST DAMAGED. GOT, I WOULD LIKE TO NOT HAVE TO TAKE PERFECTLY FUNCTIONAL 80% OF MY SIDING OFF THE OUT, LET'S PUT THE OLD STUFF BACK. UH, SOMEONE INSISTS THAT I PUT THAT ONE 17 OR WHATEVER THAT STUFF IS ON THE EXTENSION AND I STILL HAVE SIDING OF THE REGULAR HOUSE. I'LL DO IT, BUT I THINK IT LOOKED PRETTY STUPID. MORE. YOU HAVE NO RESPONSE TO THAT COMMISSIONER PRE ? I WAS GONNA SAY, WELL, WE DON'T MIND STUPID. NO , WE DON'T. MINE'S A GOOD, UH, WELL YEAH, THERE ARE SOME, SOME HOUSES THAT DO HAVE A MIX OF SIDING, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KNOW BECAUSE THAT WAS A STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO SEE HOW YOU FELT ABOUT THAT. YEAH. YOU OBVIOUSLY EXPLAINED THAT THE VINYL SIDING IS 80% OF THE HOUSE FOR NOW. I BOUGHT IN 1997 AND WE CAME INTO THE STORE IN 2005 AND I PUT THE SIDING ON THE HOUSE IN 2001 WAS TOLD HIS GRANDFATHER LIVED . SO I GUESS FOR STAFF, WHAT IS THE RESPONSE FOR THE GRANDFATHERING IN OF THAT? SO LEMME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY. SO VINYL SIDING WAS PUT ON PRIOR TO THE DESIGNATION OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. YEAH. BUT THEN WAS REPLACED AFTER THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WAS IN PLACE? NO, NO, IT HAD NEVER BEEN REPLACED. THAT IS THE SAME VINYL SIDING THAT WAS IN BEFORE THE DISTRICT THAT [00:45:01] WAS PUT ON THE HOUSE OF 2001. WE DID NOT BECOME ANY PART OF A CIRCLE DISTRICT AT LEAST 2005. OKAY. 2005, SIX. YEAH. MM-HMM . SO BASED ON THAT TESTIMONY, I WOULD SAY THAT THERE IS A GRANDFATHER ISSUE. YEAH. SO IT'S GRANDFATHERED. EVEN THOUGH IT MELTED, EVEN THOUGH IT MELTED, IT CAN BE REPAIRED BECAUSE IT, IT ONLY MELTED DUE TO FIRE, NOT BECAUSE HE TOOK IT OFF. , I TAKE OFF BY BURNING YOUR HOUSE. YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHTY. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR A MOTION? IF NO QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER SMITH? UH, WELL I, WE GONNA MAKE A MOTION IF THAT'S OKAY. YES. YOU MAY MAKE A MOTION. ALL RIGHT. NO ONE ELSE IS FIGHTING YOU FOR THE HONOR. I CAN TELL. THERE YOU GO. ALL IN THE CASE OF, UM, ITEM B 7 26 DASH 2 2 2 5 A, ALSO KNOWN AS 56 16 COLUMBIA AVENUE. UM, I MOVED TO, UH, I MOVED TO APPROVE THIS ITEM, UH, WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS SET FORTH BY STAFF, UM, RECOMMENDATION OF CONDITION ONE, UH, AND THREE, DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? UH, YEAH. SO YOU MEAN YOU SUPPORT INCLUDING THE CONDITIONS ONE AND THREE, BUT NOT COMMISSION TWO ABOUT THE NOVELTY WOOD SIDING? THAT'S CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. AND FOR THE REASON CITED BY STAFF, THAT WILL MAKE IT FOR THE REASON CITED BY STAFF. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THIS MOTION? SECOND COMMISSIONER REEVES. A SECONDED. ALRIGHT, COMMENTS? I HAVE A COMMENT. NOT RIGHT NOW. WE NOW WE JUST TALK . I I HAVE A COMMENT. IS THAT GOING WITH THE, THE HIP ROOF ADDITION? I WAS GONNA MENTION THAT TOO. YES. I I THINK EVERYONE WAS ABOUT TO MENTION THAT THAT APPEARS TO BE, UM, SINCE UH, COMMISSIONER SMITH SAID THAT HE WOULD KEEP CONDITION NUMBER ONE THAT IS TO MAKE IT A HIP ROOF. WELL, I'LL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION ON THAT, ON THAT. I, I THINK A GABLE IS BETTER THAN THE HIP BECAUSE THERE IS GABLES ARE, OKAY. SO YOU FEEL THAT THE, UM, APPLICANT HAS SUPPORTED THE REQUEST FOR A HIP WITH THEIR INFORMATION ABOUT THE REST OF THE, OF THE GABLE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT? YOU KNOW THE POINTY ONE, THE TRIANGLE ONE? YES. . YOU KNEW THAT. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? I I WOULD AGREE WITH THE COMMISSIONER ANDERSON ON THE, THE GABLE ALLOWED TO BE THE GABLE. SO WOULD I, WHAT, WHAT DID I MISS HERE? YOU, I DID STEP AWAY FROM THE RESTROOM FOR LIKE TWO MINUTES. WELL THAT WAS YOUR PROBLEM. I HAD ALREADY HAD MY, MY MIND MADE UP. WE ALL WANTED THE HIP, BUT THE APPLICANT CONVINCED US TO WANT THE GABLE . SO, SO THE DRAWING IS A GABLE. GOTCHA. OKAY. VERY GOOD. AND NUMBER ONE HAS HIP. I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THE AMENDMENT. UH, SO YOU, YOU DO NOT RECOMMEND THE CONDITION NUMBER ONE, BUT TO ACCEPT IT WITH THE, OR THE ORIGINAL HIP GROUP AS IN THE DRAWINGS. I'LL ACCEPT THAT. SO THE THE GABLE. THE GABLE, YES. I WOULD ACCEPT THAT. SO YOU'RE STILL JUST, JUST CONDITION NUMBER THREE, NOT ONE AND TWO. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. AND OTHERWISE WITH THE DRAWINGS AS SUBMITTED TODAY? THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. HAD THIS A SECOND. AGREE WITH THAT. THAT'S COMMISSIONER REESE? YES, I AGREE. OKAY. NOW THE ATTORNEY HAS SOMETHING TO REPRIMAND ME FOR. GO AHEAD. NO, NOTHING TO REPRIMAND. I WAS JUST GONNA REQUEST IT. UM, EITHER YOU OR THE MAKER OF THE MOTION. MR. SMITH, UH, RESTATE THE MOTION JUST FOR CLARITY AND PURPOSES. OH, OKAY. YEAH, I'M ALWAYS SUPPOSED TO DO THAT AND I, I NEVER SEEM TO, SO WE ARE MOVING TO APPROVE WITH ONLY ONE CONDITION AND THAT IS CONDITION NUMBER THREE AS PRESENTED BY STAFF THAT THE FENESTRATION REMAIN AND OTHERWISE FOLLOWING THE DRAWING SUBMITTED FOR THE, UM, REASON THAT IT WILL, IN THAT CASE BE CONTRIBUTING, WILL BE SUPPORTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT HARMFUL TO THE HISTORIC HISTORY. YEAH, THE ORIGINAL DRAWING WHICH HAD THE GABLE ROOF AND COMMISSIONER RAVES I SECOND HAS AFFIRMED THAT SHE ISN'T SUPPORT THAT. YES. OKAY. DO WE NEED TO MAKE, UH, IN THE MOTION DO WE NEED TO SAY THAT THE VINYL SIDING IS ALLOWED DUE TO THE GRANDFATHERING? I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD IDEA TO GIVE A REASON WHY YOU'RE ALLOWING VINYL TO OVERT. 'CAUSE SHE MAY NOT WANT TO ON OTHER HOUSES. YES. YEAH. I HAVE A QUESTION. IS THE VINYL SIDING ON THE AGENDA? YES. YES. [00:50:01] WHAT KIND OF SIDING THEY SHOULD USE WAS IN THE REQUEST, SO, OKAY, THANK YOU. WOULD WOULD, NOT SPEAKING TO THAT ITEM, WE JUST WANT IT IN THERE FOR THE RECORD. SO NOBODY ELSE COMES AND SAID YOU APPROVED VINYL HERE 'CAUSE YOU LOVE IT. BUT THAT'S NOT, YOU COULD SAY SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, WITH A FINDING OF FACT THAT THE VINYL SIDING HAS BEEN GRANDFATHERED DUE TO IT WAS, UH, INSTALLED BEFORE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT . THIS IS, IS YOUR HAZING, DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. , WE PLEDGE. IT'S FINE. . OKAY. CAN I MAKE A, CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? GO AHEAD. CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? I'M SORRY. I THINK WE'VE SUGGESTED HIM TO DEATH, BUT WHAT IS YOURS? I THINK IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE TO SAY THAT THERE'S 80% OF THE SIGNING STILL REMAINS. THAT WOULD BE A REASON TO, UM, APPROVE IT. NO, I THINK IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE TO GO WITH BECAUSE IT'S GRANDFATHERED. THAT'S THE CLAIM TO HOLDING ONTO THE SIGHTING. WELL, AS GRANDFATHER IT'S PREEXISTING AS I'LL SAY. NEVERMIND. WE, WE HAVE DETERMINED THAT IT WAS PREEXISTING AND THEREFORE AS HE SAID IT'S A GRANDFATHER. I WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW MY MOTION. NO, NO. THERE WILL BE NO COWARDICE HERE. YOU WILL FACE THIS BRAVELY. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. SO HERE WE GO. IN THE CASE OF ITEM 2 6 2 2 2 5 A, ALSO KNOWN AS 56 16 COLUMBIA AVENUE, I MOVED TO APPROVE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT IS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. UH, CONDITION NUMBER THREE ONLY, UM, BECAUSE, OR IN, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, ALLOWING FOR THE APPLICANT TO FINISH THE SIDING WITH THE VINYL SIDING BECAUSE IT WAS GRANDFATHERED IN, UH, BACK IN 2001, WHICH WAS PRIOR TO THE 2005 SLASH 2006 DESIGNATION. SECOND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER RAIS, YOU SEEM TO BE PROCESSING FOR A MOMENT THERE. ALL RIGHT. DO WE NEED FURTHER DISCUSSION OR CAN WE VOTE ON THIS NOW? WAS THE ROOF CONCLUDED IN THERE? HE WANTS TO KEEP GABE OVER THE GABLE ROOFER. YEAH. MM-HMM . BECAUSE HE IS NOT LISTENING AS SUBMIT. YES. ADDITION. WE WE'RE GOING WITH WHAT WAS SUBMITTED. ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES. AND HE OPPOSED. AND LET US CONGRATULATE, CONGRATULATE COMMISSIONER SMITH ON HIS MOTION AND HIS ABILITY TO RE, TO PIVOT AND DO WHAT HE TO DO. NOW DON'T LEAVE AGAIN TO GO TO THE RESTROOM 'CAUSE WE MIGHT SNEAK UP ON YOU WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT. OKAY. YOU HAVE GOTTEN YOUR APPROVAL, PLEASE PROCEED WITH YOUR WORK AND I HOPE YOU LOVE YOUR HOUSE JUST AS MUCH. WHEN YOU'RE DONE, I'LL SEND YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. OKAY, NEXT UP IS OKAY, AFTER SEVEN WE DON'T, WE GO TO 10, WHICH IS ON WARREN AVENUE. YES. OKAY, THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF. DISCUSSION ITEM D 10. THE FILE NUMBER IS 26 DASH 2 2 2 8 4, NO, EIGHT A. UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 29 37 WARREN AVENUE IN COUNCIL DISTRICT SEVEN IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 26 DASH 3 3 7. THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT CORNER. LOT A DUPLEX WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A REAR DETACHED TWO CAR GARAGE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT CORNER. LOT A DUPLEX WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A REAR DETACHED TWO CAR GARAGE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 6 22 20 26 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT FOUNDATION BE PIER IN BEAM OR CRAWLSPACE WITH A MINIMUM HEIGHT OF 18 INCHES. THAT WINDOWS BE ALL ALUMINUM. ALUMINUM, NOT ALUMINUM CLADDING WITH LIGHT CONFIGURATION OF ONE OVER ONE. THAT MILLIONS TRIM PIECES OF FOUR TO SIX INCHES IN WIDTH BE ADDED BETWEEN PAIRED AND OR GANGED WINDOWS THAT PAINT COLORS FOR THE BODY AND TRIM BE SELECTED FROM A HISTORIC PAINT COLOR COLLECTION AND BE APPROVED BY STAFF. AND THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE OF BRUSH FINISHED CONCRETE AND THAT ALL REVISIONS BE NOTED ON DRAWINGS AND APPROVED BY STAFF. IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH [00:55:01] PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTION 3.3 UNDER BUILDING SITE AND LANDSCAPING SECTIONS 9.3, 9.6 AND 9.7 UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS AND SECTIONS 10.1, 10.2, 10.3 AND 10.4 UNDER ACCESSORY BUILDINGS. THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING IN A VACANT CORNER. LOT DUPLEX WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A REAR DETACHED TO BARRO BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. COMMENTS MOVED LOUVERED VENTS TO THE MAIN SIDE. GABLES RAISED THE MAIN SIDE GABLE ROOF HEIGHT EXPOSED RAPTOR TAILS NUMBER FOUR. THE TWO FRONT GABLES ARE LOWER AND NARROWER. NUMBER FIVE ARE FORGED. COLUMN TOPS NEED TO BE TAPERED WITH BRACKETS ALIGNED WITH THE COLUMN. SIMPLE ACCESSES NOTE THE APPLICANT HAS MADE REVISIONS TO COMPLY WITH THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AND WE HAVE OUR SPEAKER, YOU HAVE SPEAKERS PASQUA MOCA. OH, 20, WE HAVE THREE SPEAKERS. GO AHEAD SARAH. WE YOU SEE PAQUA MALIKA 24 0 4 WOODLAWN DRIVE AND IT'S TEXAS. AND I SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, UH, YOU, YOU KNOW HOW TO DO THIS, DON'T YOU? OKAY, GO AHEAD, SIR. I I DID YOU HEAR, I YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OUR DISCUSSION EARLIER ABOUT OUR CONCERNS. SO WE MADE, UM, VARIOUS, UH, ADJUSTMENTS JUST BASED OFF THE MEETING WITH DR. DUNNER AND THE TEAM. AND THEN, UM, BASED OFF THE LAST RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION AS FAR AS MAKING THAT PORCH A LITTLE BIT NARROWER, AS YOU GUYS SAW, WE ALSO PROVIDED THE CASE STUDY WITH THE OTHER DUPLEXES IN THE AREA THAT DO MATCH WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED HERE. UM, THE ROOF WAS CHANGED, THE WINDOWS WERE ALSO ADJUSTED. SO THE FRONT BEING FLAT FACE AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WAS REQUESTED IS, UH, SHOWN ON THE PLAN SETS. ALRIGHT. IS THAT, IS THAT IT, SIR? OKAY. YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE SOME, SOME QUESTIONS. WHO, WHO WANTS TO SPEAK NEXT? THEY'RE GOOD. PARDON ME? THEY'RE GOOD. THEY'RE GOOD. THEY DON'T WANT TO, OKAY. ALRIGHT THEN. LANDMARK COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROJECT. WHAT? YOU HAVE A MOTION ALREADY? OKAY, GO AHEAD WITH YOUR MOTION. LET ME ASK A QUESTION FIRST BEFORE I MAKE THE MOTION. UM, I, FIRST OF ALL, I, I FEEL, UM, ECSTATIC WITH THE SUBMISSION. I THINK YOU'VE MADE TREMENDOUS, UH, UH, ADVANCES SINCE THE LAST FEW TIMES THAT WE'VE SEEN THIS. I I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS. UM, I DO WANNA MAKE ONE SUGGESTION. I FEEL LIKE IT'S CONTRARY TO, UH, TO TASK FORCE, UH, UH, MAYBE A, A PAST ONE, UH, SUGGESTION WAS THAT THE, THE PORCHES BE NARROWED. NARROWED, I BELIEVE NOW THEY'VE GONE A LITTLE TOO NARROW. AND WHAT I, MY QUESTION IS, WOULD THE APPLICANT BE WILLING TO MAKE THEM, UH, EACH 10 FEET WIDE RATHER THAN SEVEN FEET WIDE? AND I, I PROPOSED IT AT 10 FEET WIDE AND WE WERE ASKED TO BRING IT EVEN MORE NARROW. UM, SO YES, OF COURSE WE WOULD. THAT'S WHAT I WAS, WE PREFER THE WIDER PORCH, BUT WE WERE ASKED TO BRING IT MORE NARROW. UM, AGAIN, WHATEVER YOU GUYS DECIDE ON, WE ARE WILLING TO COMPLY. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION, UM, REGARDING CHAIR. I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION TOO. GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER RAISE. I CAN'T SEE WHO'S MAKING THE MOTION, BUT ARE THEY AWARE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE WINDOWS IN THE FRONT? IT'S COMMISSIONER? YES. I'M AND I'M GONNA MAKE THAT AS A CONDITION TOO. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ROW IS ALWAYS AWARE OF WINDOWS . OKAY. UM, LET'S SEE, WHERE WERE WE? UH, REGARDING, UM, DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 10, UH, 2 6 2 2 2 8 A, ALSO KNOWN AS 29 37 WARREN AVENUE THAT WE, UM, APPROVE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. UH, THOSE STATED BY STAFF WITH TWO ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT THE, UM, FOR THE CENTRAL FOUR WINDOWS THAT THEY BE MADE INTO TWO PAIRS AND THAT THOSE WINDOWS WOULD BE SIX [01:00:01] INCHES APART FROM EACH OTHER. AND THE SECOND CONDITION IS THAT THE PORCHES BE 10 FEET WIDE EACH SECOND. THAT WAS COMMISSIONER REEVES WHO SECONDED ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS. I HAVE A QUESTION. UH, THE, THE WINDOWS, UM, WOULD THE WINDOWS BE GANGED OR WOULD THEY BE SEPARATE? I BELIEVE THE PHRASING WAS PAIRED. YEAH. THEY WOULD BE PAIRED, UH, GANGED WITH A SIX INCH GAP IN BETWEEN THEM WITH A A SO THAT GAP IS A TRIM BOARD? YEAH. OKAY. SO IT WOULD BE, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD BE A, A A A TWO, UH, TUBE GANGED WINDOWS. OKAY. THAT'S, THANK YOU. CORRECT. CORRECT. ANYONE ELSE BEFORE WE VOTE? MR. WHAT'S THE CURRENT DIMENSION BETWEEN THE WINDOWS NOW? IT LOOKS ABOUT 18 INCHES OR SO. SO I JUST WANT TO, UM, THANK THE APPLICANT FOR NOT GIVING UP, UH, SPECIFICALLY IN, IN, IN MY DISTRICT. UH, WE NEED AS MUCH THOUGHTFUL, WELL-DESIGNED DEVELOPMENT AS POSSIBLE. AND THERE WAS A MOMENT WHERE I THOUGHT Y'ALL WAS JUST GONNA THROW YOUR HANDS UP AND I WOULD'VE , BUT I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS STICKING IT THROUGH AND COMING UP WITH SOMETHING THAT IS EXACTLY, OR AT LEAST CLOSE TO WHAT IT IS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, HAVE SAID THAT WE WANTED AND WANTED TO SEE. INDEED. AND WE'LL PROVIDE TWO LOVELY HOMES FOR FAMILIES THAT NEED HOMES IN OUR CITY WITH. DOESN'T HAVE AS MANY AS IT NEEDS. ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT. HAS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY SO YOU CAN FINALLY GO AND BUILD YOUR NEW BUILDING. THANK YOU. . YOU SEE HE'S HAPPY NOW. GOOD . OKAY, NEXT UP IS NUMBER 11. OKAY. WHICH IS JEFFREY STREET? YES, MS. FRANCE. OKAY. OKAY. STAFF? YES. DR. DUNN? YES. GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN, THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF. DISCUSSION ITEM D 11, FILE NUMBER 26 DASH 22 2 9 A. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 34 0 6 JEFFREY STREET IN CONS, DISTRICT SEVEN IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 26 DASH 3 35. THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT INTERIOR LOT. THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT INTERIOR LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 6 18 20 26 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT EXTERIOR SIDING BE ALL WOOD, HORIZONTAL LAB SIDING, MILLWORK MILLWORK PATTERN 1 0 5, THAT ROOF EAVES BE EXTENDED TO A MINIMUM OF 18 INCHES WITH EXPOSED RAFTER TAILS. THAT FRONT PORCH COLUMN BOTTOMS THE UNPAINTED MODULAR SIZED BRICK THAT THE FOUNDATION BE PIER AND BEAM OR QUA SPACE WITH A MINIMUM HEIGHT OF 18 INCHES. THAT WINDOWS BE ALL ALUMINUM. ALUMINUM, NOT ALUMINUM CLADDING WITH LIGHT CONFIGURATION OF 1 0 1. AND THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE A BRUSH FINISHED CONCRETE AND THAT ALL REVISIONS BE NOTED ON DRAWINGS AND APPROVED BY STAFF. IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTION 3.3 UNDER BUILDING SITE AND LANDSCAPING AND SECTIONS 9.3, 9.6 AND 9.7 UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS. THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES PER SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING AND A VACANT INTERIOR LOT BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. COMMENTS EXTEND THE PRINCIPAL ROUTE TO THE FRONT EXTERIOR WALL. NOTE THE APPLICANT HAS REVISED TO COMPLY WITH THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS. THANK YOU AND WELCOME MS. JENNINGS. UH, NAME ADDRESS, AFFIRMATION OF TRUTH. AWESOME. HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS FRANCESCA JENNINGS. [01:05:01] ADDRESS 2 2 7 5 FALLS AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 3 5. AND I SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH. OKAY, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROVIDE US WITH FURTHER INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR PROJECT? WELL FIRST I WANNA THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE BACK HERE. UM, AFTER MY LAST APPEARANCE WITH THE BOARD, UM, WE TOOK IN CONSIDERATION YOUR, UM, YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO CHANGE THE ROOF PITCH. AND SO I AM HERE TODAY, UH, WITH THOSE CHANGES, UM, SYNCING APPROVAL FOR 3 4 0 6, JEFF. ALRIGHT. AND YOU KNOW, WE, WE MAY HAVE QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER PRESI. SO YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THE DISCUSSION THIS MORNING ABOUT THE PORCH COLUMNS AND ARE YOU GOOD WITH THE BASE BEING BRICK? AND THEN TYPICALLY, UH, THE WOOD PORTION ABOVE THE BRICK IS PAINTED AND I KNOW IN THE REQUEST IT'S CALLED OUT TO BE, I GUESS A STAINED CEDAR. OKAY. SO IF YOU COULD JUST TELL US ABOUT THE, THOSE CHANGES, IF THOSE ARE OKAY OR WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE Y'ALL FEELING ABOUT THOSE? YEAH, NO, UH, REPEAT IT AGAIN. I'M SORRY. YOU SAYING THAT YOU WANTED TO BE BRICK? OH NO. SO IN THE, IN THE STAFF BOARD IT WAS, UH, MENTIONED THAT THE BRICK NOT BE PAINTED. UM, BUT, BUT YOU HAD REQUESTED PAINTED BRICK ON THE, UH, LOWER SECTION OF THE COLUMN. AND THEN THE TOP SECTION OF THE COLUMN IS, UH, CALLED OUT TO BE STAINED CEDAR. UH, WHICH TYPICALLY YOU DON'T SEE THAT ON, UH, IN A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THIS. IT'S USUALLY PAINTED EITHER, YOU KNOW, WHITE OR, UH, YOU KNOW, A NEUTRAL COLOR. UM, SO JUST WANTED TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON THOSE TWO ITEMS SPECIFICALLY. YEAH, NO, UH, SO THAT WAS COMPLETELY OUR DESIGN TEAM. UM, WE JUST THOUGHT THAT WE WANTED TO COMPLY WITH THE COLORS, BUT WE DEFINITELY DON'T MIND NOT COLORING THE BRICK. AND I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT IN THIS DRAWING ON THE SCREEN, THE HEADER IS ALSO CALLED OUT A CEDAR. SO, SO NOT JUST THE COLUMNS. OKAY. SO THE, THE UPPER COLUMN PART, THAT'S CEDAR AND THEN THE COL, THE HEADER RUNNING ACROSS ABOVE THAT CEDAR, YOU'RE WILLING TO PAINT THOSE? YES. IT'S JUST STANDARD. I MEAN, YES, IT WOULD BE LOVELY UNPAINTED, BUT THAT'S NOT HOW THINGS TEND TO APPEAR, ISN'T IT? ABSOLUTELY. WE ARE COMMISSIONER RENO. UM, I APOLOGIZE. DID, UM, COMMISSIONER PER MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT THE GUARDRAIL? I DID. OKAY. THE, THE GUARDRAIL IS, IT'S CURRENTLY SHOWN AS IS METAL. UM, I KNOW THAT'S NOT REALLY, UM, UH, COMMON IN THE DISTRICT. UM, WOULD YOU BE PROPO, WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED TO CHANGING THAT TO WOOD? PAINTED WOOD? WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO PAINT. OKAY. AND THE HEIGHT IS PERFECT THAT ALL THE OTHER PROPORTIONS ARE FINE. AWESOME. THANK YOU. IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, THEN WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION. UM, I HAVE A MOTION, LET'S SEE. UM, REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 11, UH, 26 DASH 2 2 2 9 A, ALSO KNOWN AS 34 0 6 JEFFRIES STREET THAT WE APPROVE, UM, FOLLOWING, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WITH, UM, TWO ADDITIONAL, UH, CONDI OR STAFF CONDITIONS. UM, AND WITH TWO ADDITIONAL THREE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT THE, UM, THE TWO PART COLUMNS AT THE UPPER PORTIONS AND THE HEADER, THE, UH, PAINTED TO MATCH THE, THE, THE, UM, THE OTHER TRIM COLORS ON THE DOOR, I MEAN, ON THE, THE RESIDENCE. UM, THE LOWER, UH, BRICK PORTIONS OF THOSE TWO PART COLUMNS BE, UH, UNPAINTED SO THAT THEY, SO THAT THE BRICK, UH, SHOWS ITS NATURAL COLOR AND THAT THE GUARDRAILS NUMBER THREE ON THE GUARDRAILS THAT THOSE BEING, UH, PAINTED WOOD. SECOND, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER HARPER. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS IN THAT CASE? IT IS TIME TO TAKE A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. THE MOTION IS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY, SO YOU ARE READY TO GO AND BUILD YOUR HOUSE. AWESOME. THANK YOU. BYE-BYE. GOOD LUCK. YOU KNOW, THE CONSTRUCTION'S THE HARDEST PART. . TRUE. OKAY. NEXT UP IS NUMBER 14, HAN PARK. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS RAY EZ PERILLO PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF. DISCUSSION ITEM D 14. [01:10:01] UH, IT IS CITED AT 35 0 5 MAPLE AVENUE. THE REQUEST IS FOR A LANDMARK COMMISSION AUTHORIZED HEARING TO CONSIDER A HISTORIC OVERLAY FOR 35 0 5 MAPLE AVENUE, ALSO KNOWN AS REVERSION PARK, GENERALLY BONDED BY MAPLE AVENUE MCKENNAN STREET. THE DALLAS NORTH WILL BE WELLBORN STREET. AND THE KT TRAIL STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE SUBJECT TO THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA WITH MINOR EDITS THAT HAVE MADE PRESERVATION CRITERIA WITH MINOR EDITS TO THE SITE. HERE'S THE MAP SHOWING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. UM, THIS MAP ILLUSTRATES THE PARKS RELATIONSHIP TO THE CITY CENTER, WHICH IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 1.85 MILES NORTH FROM THE CITY CENTER. REVISION PARK WAS ESTABLISHED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS IN 1915. IT WAS PLANNED AS THE GERMANS OF TOTAL CREEK PARKWAY. THE PARK IS NAMED FOR BOTANIST JULIAN IAN, WHO COLLECTED MORE THAN 20,000 WISEMEN OF, UH, TEXAS PLANTS AND WHOSE PLANT COLLECTIONS ARE AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE TEXAS NATURAL HISTORY. THE PARK WAS DEVELOPED ON FORMER COAL FAMILY PROPERTY, HISTORICALLY ASSOCIATED WITH NATURAL SPRINGS ALONG THE TURTLE CREEK. THE SITE ALSO HAS HISTORIC ASSOCIATIONS WITH WOOD, SHARK HILL COMMUNITY AND THE VILLE AND EARLY WATER SOURCE IN DALLAS. THE PARK REFLECTS EARLY 20TH CENTURY CITY PLANNING EFFORTS LED BY GEORGE KESSLER AND LATER EXPANDED THROUGH PLANNING WORK BY HAIR AND HAIR. THE PARK IS ORGANIZED INTO A SERIES OF LANDSCAPE ZONES, INCLUDING MEADOWS, HILLSIDE, BALL FIELD, PECAN GROVE CREEK, BOTTOM, AND ESCARPMENT. NATURAL FEATURES, INCLUDING TURTLE CREEK, WOODED BLUFFS, AND OPEN MEADOWS CONTINUE TO DEFINE THE PARK'S. HISTORIC CHARACTER, HISTORIC CIRCULATION PATTERNS INCLUDING WALKWAYS. TERRACES AND LOOP DRIVES REMAIN PRESENT THROUGHOUT THE SITE. IN 1924, BASEBALL IMPROVEMENTS WERE CONSTRUCTED, INCLUDING THE GRAND STAND AND UPGRADED BALL FIELDS DURING 1930S. OAKS PROGRESS ADMINISTRATION, WPA PROJECTS INTRODUCED RUSTIC STYLE STONE FEATURES INCLUDING BRIDGES, TERRACES, WALKWAYS, A FOUNTAIN, AND THE IRIS GARDEN. THESE FEATURES WERE CONSTRUCTED USING NATIVE STONE AND CRAFTSMANSHIP INTENDED TO INTEGRATE WITH THE NATURAL LANDSCAPE. DURING THE MID 20TH CENTURY, PORTIONS OF TURTLE CREEK WERE MODIFIED AND LATER NEW RECREATIONAL FACILITIES WERE CONSTRUCTED WITHIN THE PARK. SINCE THE ADOPTION OF THE 2006 ION PARK RESTORATION AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN, PRESERVATION PROJECTS HAVE RESTORED HISTORIC FEATURES INCLUDING THE IRIS GARDEN, HILLSIDE TERRACE, WPA STONE WAR, AND THE HISTORIC BALL FIELD. ION PARK IS POTENTIALLY ELIGIBLE FOR DESIGNATION UNDER SEVEN LOCAL CRITERIA. THESE INCLUDE HISTORY, HERITAGE, AND CULTURE, SIGNIFICANT PERSONS ARCHITECTURE, HISTORIC CONTEXT, UNIQUE VISUAL FEATURE, NATIONAL AND STATE RECOGNITION AND HISTORIC EDUCATION. EDUCATION. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION. THE, UM, SO THE ORIGINAL BALLPARK IS NOT PROTECTED. CORRECT. AND SORRY, DIDN'T THE BALLPARK IS HE'S ASKING IF THE ORIGINAL BALLPARK IS PROTECTED? YES, THAT'S THAT'S PART OF THE YEAH. YEAH. IT'S, IT'S PART, I MEAN THE, THE OVERLAY MEAN, THE REASON I BRING IT UP CHANGES OVER THE YEARS. THE REASON I BROUGHT IT UP, THERE'S SOME CONTROVERSY A WHILE AGO ABOUT BUILDING A NEW BALLPARK AND THAT IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN. MY OTHER, MY LAST QUESTION IS, HAS THE PARK DEPARTMENT, UM, SUPPORTED THIS? THEY'RE ACTUALLY HERE TO SPEAK. YEAH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE OUR SPEAKER ON. OKAY, GOOD. THEY'RE IN THE ROOM. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, I WANNA MAKE SURE THEY'RE IN THE GAME. OKAY. AND COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? YES. IT'S DESIGNATED AS A PROTECTED AREA ON THE MAP. UH, YOU'LL SEE IT'S SHADED. THAT SECTION IS IS PROTECTED VERIFY. YEAH, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE WAS A LOT OF GOING BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THAT IN THE [01:15:01] PAST. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A REGISTERED SPEAKER, MS. FANYA MONDELL, WHO IS FROM THE PARK BOARD AND HAS BEEN ACTIVELY SUPPORTING THIS PROCESS FOR A LONG TIME. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM CHAIR. MY NAME IS SPANA MANDELL, 1918 MOSER AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 6. AND I SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, UM, RECENTLY, RIVER SEAN RECEIVED A PRESERVATION ACHIEVEMENT AWARD, WHICH WE SHOULD ALL BE PROUD OF TO THE, THE COMMITMENT AND DEDICATION FOR EVERYONE WHO IS INVOLVED IN THAT. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE, THIS WAS ASKED, UM, FROM OVER TWO YEARS AGO. UM, SO ON THE DOCKET, WHEN IT SAYS 2024 AUGUST, IT'S ALMOST TWO YEARS THAT THIS HAS BEEN IN THE MAKING. UM, I'M SUPER EXCITED TO SEEING THIS COME TO FRUITION, UM, AND TRULY HOPE IT WILL PROTECT RIVER SEAN, WHICH I HAVE, UH, BEEN AN ADVOCATE AND FOUGHT FOR, FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. UM, I DO HAVE A FEW CONCERNS JUST WITH THE, UM, WHEN IT STATES ON HERE WITH MINOR EDITS. UM, I, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE 2006 PLAN IS NOT AN APPROVED DOCUMENT BY PARK BOARD, UM, CITY COUNCIL OR PARK STAFF. SO I JUST DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, IF THAT'S, IF WHEN WE'RE SAYING IT'S NOT AN APPROVED MASTER PLAN, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, UM, THAT'S JUST, THAT IS A CONCERN. PAGE 41 4 13, WHO IS STAFF APPROVAL FOR FENCES? IS IT STAFF? WHICH STAFF IS THAT? UH, WHOEVER DOES THAT AREA, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE DR. DUNN AND . OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, AND THEN AGAIN, I, THAT'S 49 PAGES IS A LONG DOCUMENT, SO BEAR, BEAR WITH ME. UM, AND WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? UM, LIKE SUPPOSED TO BE CONSTRUCTED OF APPROPRIATE MATERIAL, UM, AND I GUESS THAT USUALLY MEANS SIMILAR MATERIALS THAT WERE USED FOR SIM FOR THE SAME KIND OF CONSTRUCTIONS WITHIN THAT AREA. SO THE FENCES AND IT, YEAH, IT USUALLY MEANS NOT MODERN ARTIFICIAL MATERIALS, BUT PERFECT MATERIALS THAT WERE OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN PAGE 45, 8 SECTION REALLY DOES CONCERN ME THE PLAYGROUND REMOVAL AND TO CREATE SMALL PLAYGROUNDS INSIDE THE PARK. ARE WE COMMITTED TO THAT OR IS THAT IT'S PAGE 45. OH, WELL, THE, NONE OF THIS REQUIRES DOING SOMETHING THAT IS A CHANGE. IT'S JUST, UH, SAYING THAT THAT IF REQUESTED WOULD, WOULD BE AROUND. IT SEEMS TO BE OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. BUT NO, NOTHING IN PRESERVATION CRITERIA CAN'T EVER MAKE YOU BUILD SOMETHING . OKAY. PERFECT. PERFECT. THANK YOU. AND THEN, UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. I MEAN, THERE'S SOME OF YOU I SEE WHO I RECOGNIZE YOUR FACES WHO ARE, ARE REALLY DEDICATED TO THIS. SO, UM, AGAIN, MYSELF, UM, AND SOME OTHER NEIGHBORS WHO I KNOW, UM, FROM D TWO AND 14 REALLY DO SUPPORT, UM, THE PRESERVATION OVERLAY. SO THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED MAKING THIS HAPPENIN. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING, BUT, UM, AND, AND WE WILL MENTION THAT OUR, OUR APPOINTING COUNCIL MEMBER, BOTH OF OURS, JESSE MORENO, HAD FOND MEMORIES OF THIS PARK AND HIS PAST AND WAS ALL FOR IT FROM THE BEGINNING BECAUSE OF, OF, OF ITS IMPORTANCE IN GENERAL TO THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND PARTICULARLY TO THE, UM, THE PEOPLE WHO USED TO LIVE IN LITTLE MEXICO. THERE, THERE, THERE WAS, UM, IT WAS TRADITIONALLY ONE OF THE PLACES WHERE THEY WOULD GO TO PLAY BASEBALL, WHICH USED TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT TO EVERYBODY. THERE WERE COMPANY LEAGUES AND NEIGHBORHOOD LEAGUES, AND THEY'D, YOU KNOW, GO OUT AND PLAY AGAINST EACH OTHER. IT WAS ALMOST LIKE THE WORLD CUP, YOU KNOW, AND PEOPLE WERE CHEERING AND FIGHTING AND ALL , THE, THE REV, SEAN RATS RIGHT THERE. YEAH. ALL SORTS OF CREATIVE NAMING TOO . OKAY. COMMISSIONERS. I, I HAVE A QUESTION OR A QUESTION FOR THE COMMISSIONER. WHERE, TELL ME AGAIN WHERE THE TWO SIX 2006 MASTER PLAN WAS REFERENCED? UM, IT'S, WELL, THE WOMAN READING THE DOCUMENT REFERENCED IT, AND THEN IT'S IN MANY PAGES , UM, 2000. IT SAYS 2006 PLAN. OH, I SEE HERE BY, UH, 1.1. YEAH. THE RECOMMENDATIONS MADE IN THE RIVER SEAN PARK RESTORATION AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN 2006 BY MESA DESIGN GROUP. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT WAS NOT AN APPROVED PLAN BY THE PARK DEPARTMENT OR CITY COUNCIL OR PARK BOARD? ALRIGHT. I BELIEVE IT MADE IT INTO THESE CRITERIA BECAUSE WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS, I KNOW ME AND JOANNA HAMPTON WENT AND MET WITH MESA MOSTLY BECAUSE NOT ONLY DID WE THINK THEIR PLAN WAS PRETTY GOOD, BUT THEY HAD DONE THE DEEP RESEARCH INTO THE HISTORY OF IT AND REALLY UNDERSTOOD ALL ABOUT THE TOPOGRAPHY AND EVERYTHING THAT WAS ON THE LAND. MM-HMM . SO IT WAS A GREAT PLACE TO START BECAUSE A LOT OF THE WORK HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE. AS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TRIED TO DO AN AN OLDER PARK, IT'S HARD TO FIND ACCURATE PLANS, MAPS, AND DETAILS ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT'S ON IT. AND THEY ALREADY HAD THAT WITH THE . SO THAT'S PROBABLY HOW IT ENDS UP BEING REFERENCED IN THERE. IF IT'S NOT EVER BEEN ACCEPTED AND VOTED UPON IT, IT'S STILL CARRYING A LOT OF INFORMATION. I, I THINK IT'S STILL VALID THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, BUT WE COULD PUT, WE COULD PUT IN THERE AFTER THAT THIS WAS NOT AN APPROVED ARC PLAN. [01:20:01] 'CAUSE IT REALLY JUST SAYS, UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED, THESE PRESERVATION CRITERIA ARE BASED UPON AND CAN CONFORM WITH THAT PLAN. IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, SAY THAT'S OFFICIAL. BUT I THINK WE COULD ADD SOMETHING IN THERE THAT SAYS, I THINK THERE'S WONDERFUL ELEMENTS ADOPTED PLAN BY THE PARK DEPARTMENT JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. AND IN 20 YEARS, I KNOW THAT THERE'S OTHER, LIKE WITH THE BALL FIELD RESTORATION, THERE WAS A DESIGN GROUP THAT WAS HIRED ALSO THAT THERE'S A LOT OF THE SAME, SO YOU JUST, YOU HAVE OTHER DOCUMENTS TOO THAT YOU CAN REFER TO? YES, WE DO. AND, AND MARCEL QUIMBEE WORKED WITH THAT DESIGN AND SHE'S ON THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE, SO YEAH. DOES THAT NOT, DOES IT NOT APPEAR ANYWHERE IN THESE CRITERIA? I MEAN, IN DOES THE, THE WORK DONE BY THE BALLPARK? OH, UM, CHANGES. UM, I DON'T NOT APPEAR IN HERE ANYWHERE. IT, IT DOES NOT IN THE 49 PAGES HAVE I SEEN. OKAY. WELL, AGAIN, AND YOU'VE APPARENTLY READ THE 49 PAGES NO. WITH HELP. JUST, JUST WAIT FOR OLD CITY PARK. NOW THAT'S A, THAT'S GONNA BE A FUN ONE THAT'S, WE'RE ON IT. YEAH. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THIS WAS WRITTEN BY A CONSULTANT HIRED BY PARK AND REC, UM, JAY ING. AND SO YES, WE CAN TREAT THE MESA REPORT AS AN UNPUBLISHED UNAPPROVED REPORT, BUT, UH, BASICALLY WE STILL HAVE TO ATTRIBUTE, YOU KNOW MM-HMM . ATTRIBUTE IT SINCE THAT'S WHERE HE GOT A LOT OF HIS INFORMATION FROM. SO I CAN TAKE THIS BACK TO JAY BECAUSE HE'S THE ONE WHO'S WORKING ON THIS. OKAY. I THINK IT'S THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT ALSO JUST REFERS TO IT AS A GOOD REFERENCE. RIGHT. IT DOES NOT SAY THAT ANYTHING HAS TO STICK TO THAT. RIGHT. ALRIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE FROM COMMISSIONERS? IF NOTHING, I'M READY TO MAKE THE MOTION BECAUSE WE USUALLY GET TO MAKE THE MOTION WHEN IT'S IN OUR OWN DISTRICT. SO I, WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE IN MY DISTRICT FOR A WHILE BECAUSE WE ALREADY DESIGNATED SO MANY THINGS. . SO IN THE MATTER OF 26 DASH 2 2 3 2 A, WHICH IS 35 0 5 MAPLE AVENUE, THE INITIATION OF RE THE HON PARK, UM, I, I, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE SUBJECT TO THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA AND MINOR EDITS, WHICH IS THE PHRASING THAT COMES FROM THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE. 'CAUSE WE MENTIONED A COUPLE OF EDITS AT THE TIME. SECOND, UH, SECOND IT, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON SECONDED. YES. EVERYONE SECONDED. BUT COMMISSIONER ANDERSON GETS TO PUT HIS NAME ON THAT. I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT WE ADD THE LANGUAGE ABOUT THAT THE UM, 2006 MASTER PLAN WAS NOT ADOPTED BY CITY PARK. YES. WE CAN ADD THAT. RIGHT. MR. ANDERSON, YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT? JUST THE CLARIFICATION THAT THE 2006 MASTER PLAN IS A REFERENCE, NOT AN ADOPTED PLAN. 'CAUSE THE CITY NEVER ADOPTED IT. JIM? YES, THAT'S FINE. I I'M SORRY I DIDN'T, DIDN'T HEAR YOU. YOU JUST THOUGHT, ALL RIGHT. ON THAT NOTE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? OH GOOD. NO OPPOSITION. OKAY. WE'RE FINALLY THERE. . THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DR. DUN. MM-HMM AND THANK YOU FOR PATIENTLY WAITING. I KNOW WE WERE SPEEDY TODAY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. SO WE WERE SPEEDING RIGHT ALONG COMPARED TO SOME DAYS. ALRIGHT, UP NEXT. ITEM EIGHT. ALL RIGHT. CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 8 48 26 TREMONT STREET, CO 8 26 0 0 0 2 6 0 REQUEST OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE EXISTING FENCE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE EXISTING FENCE BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE FENCE MUST BE IN THE REAR 50% OF THE SIDE YARD OR BEHIND THE REAR MOST SIDE PROJECTION OF THE MAIN BUILDING IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS CONDITION WILL ENSURE THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTION 51 P DASH 97 1 11 C2 B ROMAN THREE, CITY CODE SECTION 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE EXISTING FENCE BE APPROVED AS SHOWN. SORRY. NO MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE FENCE LOCATION HAS BEEN OBTAINED AND IT DIFFERS FROM WHAT WAS PERCEIVED AT THE TASK FORCE MEETING. ALRIGHT. ADDING TO THE CONFUSION. YES. ALL RIGHT. THERE IS NO ONE TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION. NO, UH, I THINK WE QUESTIONED A LOT UNLESS [01:25:01] THERE'S ANYTHING WE NEED TO REITERATE OR A MOTION TO BE MADE. I HAVE A QUESTION. UH, WE'RE APPROVING THAT THEY CAN REBUILD THE FENCE. THAT'S THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, AS WE DISCUSSED BEFORE. HI, UM, I'M JACQUELINE FORD PIERCE AT 48 26 REMONT STREET. NEW TO THIS, MY FENCE GUY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE, BUT I AM THE OWNER OF THE THE HOUSE. ALRIGHT MA'AM. THANK YOU. WE DID NOT KNOW THAT YOU WERE JOINING US. WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT ON OUR LIST. I DO HAVE TO ASK YOU NOW TO, UH, THE FORMALITY WE HAVE, YOU HAVE TO PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH JUST TO BE ON CAMERA. I ALSO HAVE TO BE ON CAMERA 'CAUSE THE STATE SAYS SO OTHERWISE IT COULD BE SOMEBODY IMPERSONATING YOU. UM, I'M SORRY, I IT'S ON OR IT'S, IT'S SHOWING THAT IT SHOULD BE ON. UM, BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, LET'S SEE IF IT'LL WORK TODAY. MANY PEOPLE HAVE THIS ISSUE WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM WE'LL USE. YES. UM, LET'S SEE. OKAY, I'VE CHECKED IT AGAIN. I'M SORRY. IT'S NOT PULLING. IT IS UNFORTUNATELY A STATE LAW THAT TO SPEAK REMOTELY AT A PUBLIC MEETING, YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON. I I'VE ALWAYS HEARD THAT WAS THE PROTECTION OF YOU TO MAKE SURE IT'S REALLY NEW. I KNOW, BUT , I'M NOT ARGUING IT WHATSOEVER. I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE TRYING TO PLAY WITH IT THE WHOLE TIME AND I, I JUST CAN'T GET IT TO, UM, OKAY. CAN YOU TRY ON ANOTHER DEVICE LIKE THE PHONE OR SURE. LEMME FIND THIS. WE CAN UM, WE CAN TABLE YOURS FOR A FEW MOMENTS. WE HAVE A COUPLE OTHER ONES TO TALK ABOUT AND THEN WE COULD COME BACK TO YOU. THAT WAY YOU'RE NOT PRESSURED US ALL WAITING HERE. . THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. OKAY, SO WE'LL MOVE ON FOR NOW TO DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER NINE, BRIAN PARKWAY. OKAY, CHRISTINA PEREZ. DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER NINE 6,000 BRIAN PARKWAY COA 2 6 0 0 0 0 2 0. A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE EXISTING POSSIBLY UNAUTHORIZED EVENTS TO MATCH EXISTING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THIS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE EXISTING FENCE BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE FENCE IS NOT LOCATED DIRECTLY IN THE FRONT OF THE CORNER SIDE FACADE OF THE MAIN BLOCK OF THE HOUSE FACING NORTH BEACON STREET. ALLOWING FOR THE REAR, UH, ON THE EAST REAR SIDE OF THE HOUSE TO BE WITHIN THE FENCED AREA, WHICH WILL NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE DISTRICT IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS CONDITION WILL ENSURE THAT PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTION 51 P DASH 63 1 16, 2 B FOUR CC MEET CITY CODE SECTION 4.501 G SIX C, ROMAN IPA CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES, AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. DO WE WANNA RE-TASK FORCE FIRST BEFORE I GIVE MORE INFORMATION? OKAY. TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CERTIFICATE IS APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE EXISTING DEFENSE TO BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE AS THE ORDINANCE IS NOT PERMITTED. FENCE DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE CORNER FACADE. OKAY. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. I WENT DOWN, WELL ELAINE WENT FOR ME TO LOOK AND WE LOOKED TO SEE IF WE COULD FIND ANY OLD CAS. WE INITIALLY DID NOT. WE DID FIND THESE IN A DIFFERENT FOLDER FOR 60 38. BRIAN, BUT THEY ARE FOR 6,000. BRIAN PARKWAY. OKAY. WE HAVE ONE FROM 1991 AND ONE FROM 2001. AND IT LOOKS LIKE IN 2001, UM, IT WAS APPROVED WITH, WITH CONDITIONS BY MR. ANDERSON HIMSELF. TO REMOVE I THOUGHT SO THE BUSH OKAY TO INSTALL FENCE, CONNECTING FENCE OR GATE TO BE 70% OPEN AS TO NOT OBSTRUCT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES ON THE SIDE DOOR. RETAINING WALL MUST BE CANTILEVERED, I GUESS THE RETAINING WALL IN WHICH IT SITS ON, UM, UH, WE DON'T HAVE STAMP PLANS 'CAUSE MAYBE THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU DID. SO WE HAVE SEVERAL DRAWINGS, BUT I'M, I'M ASSUMING THAT WHERE THE FENCE IS IS WHAT THE CONDITION IS MEANING . UM, BECAUSE THINGS WERE DONE DIFFERENTLY BACK THEN. SO I GUESS IT'S A, HERE'S ANOTHER PART. FENCE MUST DROP IN HEIGHT TO SIX FEET AND BE AT LEAST 70% OPEN WHEN FURTHER FORWARD THAN THE MIDPOINT OF STRUCTURE TO ALLOW VISIBILITY TO SIDE FACADE AND SIDE ENTRANCE. DETAILS ON TOP OF FENCE MUST BE TRELLIS SQUARES, [01:30:01] NOT LATTICE. DIAMONDS HEIGHT FENCE TO BE MEASURED FROM SIDEWALK GRADE ELEVATION AND WOULD INCLUDE RETAINING WALL. UH, SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IT, IT'S, UM, SO ALL IN ALL IT APPEARS MAYBE SIMILAR. IT APPEARS THAT THE EXISTING FENCE IS LEGAL. HE COULD REBUILD IT THAT WAY. NOW WHAT HE WANTS THOUGH IS HE WANTS A SOLID FENCE WHERE THERE IS CURRENTLY THE OPEN LATTICE. UM, AND SO WHERE WE WOULD DIFFER, LIKE STAFF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THERE, THERE SHOULD BE NO SOLID FENCE ON THE SIDE AT ALL. BUT BASED ON THIS EARLIER CA WE COULD PERHAPS AGREE TO THAT. THE SOLID FENCE THAT CAN ONLY GO AS FAR AS THE MIDPOINT ON BEHALF. YES. BUT IF HE WANTS TO MAINTAIN WHERE ALL THE AREA WERE, THE LATTICE AND OR TR, HOWEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, THAT WOULD BE, I GUESS IT WAS APPROVED IN 2001. WHAT WE'RE THINKING BASED ON WHAT WE CAN TELL, AGAIN, THERE WAS STILL STAMPED THINGS BACK THEN. OKAY. SO THE, THE EXISTING FENCE HAS BEEN APPROVED PREVIOUSLY, BUT WITH IT BEING OPEN THE WAY IT IS NOT A SOLID FENCE FROM THE MIDPOINT FORWARD. YEAH. MM-HMM . AND DOES STAFF HAVE ANY OPINION ON THE ADDITION OF THAT METAL LATTICE BEHIND IT TO KEEP THE VICIOUS DOGS IN? I, SORRY TO CALL 'EM VICIOUS, BUT I I TOLD THEM IF WE CAN'T SEE IT, IF IT REMAINS 70% OPEN AND WE DON'T, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE DESIGN. HE WAS THINKING, PUTTING, REINFORCE IT WITH METAL AND PUT LIKE, PUT THE METAL BEHIND THE WOOD SO YOU WOULDN'T ESSENTIALLY SEE IT. THAT WAS WHAT, THOSE WERE THE IDEAS THAT WERE KICKED AROUND THAT TASK FORCE. WERE, WERE WE TO PURSUE THAT, THAT IDEA WE WANT TO INCLUDE THAT THE SPECIFICS NEEDED TO PASS THROUGH STAFF. YES. OTHERWISE, IF HE REPLACED EVERYTHING AS IS NOW BECAUSE THE CAS DON'T EXPIRE. OKAY. YEAH. HE COULDN'T, HE COULD, IT LITERALLY COULD JUST REBUILD WITHOUT EVEN COMING HERE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER REEVES. OH, GO AHEAD. HE, WELL I WAS I IN THAT COMMISSION THAT APPROVED THAT FENCE WAY BACK IN THE DAY? , WELL, WAY BACK IN THE DAY. THAT'S WHY IT LOOKED SO FAMILIAR TO JIM AND TO ME. UM, YEAH, APPARENTLY YOU ALL WERE THERE. YEP, WE WERE THERE. UH, I MEAN I JUST REMEMBERED HAVING TO BE OPEN SO YOU COULD SEE THE HOUSE, BUT WHAT WOULD PREVENT THEM FROM PLANTING IVY ON THE FENCE? NOTHING WOULD PREVENT THEM, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT ANSWERS THEIR PRIMARY CONCERN, WHICH IS THE DOGS. RIGHT. AND I KNOW IN THIS PREVIOUS CA IT WAS THAT THEY WOULD REMOVE EXISTING OVERGROWN HEDGEWOOD AND REPLACE THAT WITH THE FENCE. ALTHOUGH I, I DON'T KNOW. I I GUESS WE CAN ASSUME THAT THE HEIGHT RIGHT NOW IS SIX FEET. IT DOESN'T LOOK SIX FEET TO ME, BUT I GUESS IT MUST BE, OR MAYBE SHE DECIDES THAT WOULD STILL BE ONE OF THE CONDITIONS. YEAH. UM, NO GREATER DANNY. YEAH, ONE OF IT ACTUALLY SEEMS A LITTLE SHORTER TO ME. FENCE MUST BE SIX FOOT HEIGHT ABOVE RETAINING WALL WALL NOT TO EXCEED 1.6 INCHES IN HEIGHT. FENCE MUST BE 70% OPEN, UH, WENT FURTHER FORWARD OF THE MIDPOINT OF THE STRUCTURE TO ALLOW VISIBILITY. YEAH, SO IT THEY WERE GETTING THAT GO AHEAD. COULD WE BUILD A PERPENDICULAR SOLID FENCE FROM WHERE THE SOLID FENCE ENDS TO THE HOUSE? NO, NOT HE'S TALKING ABOUT AT THE 50 AT THE MIDPOINT. BUT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE, UH, NO, NO, NO HORIZONTAL? NO, HE'S ASKING FOR A RETURN. CAN HE DO A RETURN THERE? RIGHT. LIKE SO HE COULD KEEP THE DOGS IN THE BACK HALF AND, AND THE LATTICE WOULDN'T HAVE TO KEEP THE DOGS IN, RIGHT? OH YEAH. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT HE WANTS. WELL, BUT HE COULD DO THAT. THAT'S THE QUESTION. OH YEAH. HE WANTS THE WHOLE WAY. YEAH. AND GENERALLY WE LIKE THAT LITTLE . HE DOESN'T WANT THE HOUSE TO ALSO BE 70% OPEN. THAT 70% OPEN IN MOST PLACES. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'VE CLARIFIED THE LEGALITIES OF THE EXISTING FEDS. WE KNOW THE OWNER'S PRIMARY CONCERN IS THAT THEIR DOGS ARE ESCAPING TO BITE INNOCENT PASSERS BY WHICH SOMETIMES INCLUDES ME AND I'M INNOCENT, BUT UM, AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANNA BE BITTEN NEITHER I CATS. MM-HMM. NOT THERE. WHAT? ? OH, THE DOGS. OKAY. NOT THE COMMISSIONERS. SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION THAT SEEMS TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? I MEAN, TECHNICALLY BECAUSE I MOTION IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. OKAY. WELL JUST OFFER THE MOTION. WE'LL SEE IF WE THOUGHT IT ADDRESSES THE ISSUE. OKAY. , UH, REGARDING CA, I'M SORRY, UH, FILE NUMBER 26 2 2 2 7 A FOR [01:35:01] 6,000. BRIAN PARKWAY. UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE DENY THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WITHOUT PREJUDICE. ALRIGHT. DO I HAVE A SECOND FOR THIS MOTION? UH, SECOND MR. POSI IS OUR SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. CAN'T, CAN'T THEY BUILD IT BUT THEY CAN BUILD IT BACK LIKE IT IS? WELL THEY ALREADY HAVE A CA FOR THAT. SO WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS FOR THE FULL SIX FOOT BOARD ON BOARD ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT. OH. SO THIS ABOUT THE BOARD ON BOARD TO THE FRONT. OKAY, THANK YOU. YES. SO I'M GONNA TELL THEM FOR THE BOARD ON BOARD WHATEVER THEY MOTION. BUT I WILL SAY YOU ALREADY HAVE A CA TO REBUILD AS IS BECAUSE THEY DO SINCE THEY DON'T EXPIRE SECOND. OKAY. I'LL MAKE THE TRY STUR IT I GUESS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE? ALRIGHT THEN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES. ANY OPPOSED? PLEASE SAY NO. OKAY. IT APPEARS IT HAS PASSED, NOT PASSED YOU. THE MOTION PASSED YOU UNANIMOUSLY YOU WILL PLEASE LET THE APPLICANT KNOW AND INFORM THEM ABOUT THE OPTION OF, YOU KNOW, APPEALING TO CPC. THANK, BUT COME BACK THINK HE'LL BE HAPPY IF HE CAN AT LEAST HAVE WHAT HE HAS NOW. YEAH, HE CAN KEEP WHAT HE HAS NOW AND HE CAN COME BACK HERE IF HE WANTS TO ARGUE AGAIN FOR HIS, HIS NEEDS OR HIS HER THEIR NEEDS AND OR DISCUSS THE IDEA OF THE METAL ANTI DOG REINFORCING MISSIONS BUT MM-HMM ALRIGHT, NOW WE CAN GO BACK TO NUMBER NINE. WHERE'D SHE GO? I WAS SINGER. SHE WAS ON MS FOR PIERCE. ARE YOU STILL THERE? I'M HERE. YEAH, I SAW YOU BEFORE. , WHERE ARE YOU NOW? I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M HERE. I PROMISE. AND I'M TALKING HER FACE IS NOT THERE. OH. AND IT SHOWS ME THAT I AM ON CAMERA. I CAN SEE IT. I CAN SEE ME. IT DOES. YEAH. WE SAW YOU FOR A WHILE AND IT DOES SHOW THE CAMERA BEING ON. SEE I'LL STOP IT AND START SYSTEM BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANYBODY I MINE. IT'S DIFFERENT FROM EVEN WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN. YOU CAN SEE HER. NO, I DON'T SEE ANYONE. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT'S UP THERE. SO I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S WEBEX NOW WE GOT, YEAH. DID YOU SLIDE? THERE YOU ARE. I STOPPED. OKAY, DON'T READ AGAIN. OKAY MA'AM, YOU ALREADY STARTED OFF. SO NOW YOU CAN GO AND TELL US WHAT YOU NEED TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR REQUEST. SO MY REQUEST IS TO REPLACE OUR, UM, OFFENSE THAT'S UP NOW. I UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS I GUESS DENIED BUT I GUESS I CAN PUT IT UP AS LONG AS I PUSH THE FENCE BACK. MY PROBLEM IS PART OF THE FENCE IS NOT MINE. IT BELONGS TO MY NEIGHBOR. UM, AND I BELIEVE BACK IN THE DAY, UM, IT'S LIKE THAT'S HIS BACKYARD THAT BATS ONTO MY SIDE YARD. CORRECT. UM, SO THE FENCE IS IN GENERAL JUST FALLING APART AND UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE WILLING TO DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO, UM, TO GET A NEW FENCE SO THAT NUMBER ONE, MY CHILD CAN KIND OF ROAM AROUND HER YARD AND NOT BE HIT WITH RANDOM PIECES OF WOOD FALLING OFF THE FENCE AND NAILS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. UM, AND WE CAN ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS MY NEIGHBOR'S PORTION OF THE FENCE, BUT I MEAN OBVIOUSLY I CAN'T MAKE HIM TAKE IT DOWN. UM, YOU KNOW, HE'S ALREADY GIVEN MAJOR PUSHBACK ON, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE, WE WERE TRYING TO DO TO DO THE, UM, THE RENOVATIONS OF, UM, OF THE FENCE, THE EXISTING FENCE. SO I'M OPEN TO DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO REPLACE WHAT'S THERE. OKAY. MA'AM. UM, NOW I BELIEVE STAFF HAS TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY THAT YOUR NEIGHBORS ACTUALLY BUILT THE FENCE ON YOUR PROPERTY. WELL, SHE WASN'T THERE. WE SPOKE WITH CARRIE OR THE DEFENSE REP AND WE ASKED AND WE WERE NOT SURE. SO, SO IF IT IS ON YOUR PROPERTY, WOULDN'T YOU PREFER THEY PUSH IT BACK THE OWN PROPERTY? YES. . OKAY. BECAUSE 'CAUSE WE'RE PLANNING ON, I I HAVE ALREADY CONTACTED THEM AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY APPEAR TO HAVE BUILT THIS FENCE WITHOUT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FROM US THAT WOULD'VE AUTHORIZED IT AND ASKING THEM TO COME TALK TO US. YOU CAN'T MAKE THEM MOVE IT, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE WE COULD, IF IT'S BOUND TO BE IN ERROR, ONE OF THEM WOULD NEED TO GET A SURVEY. YEAH. ONE, THERE'D HAVE TO BE A SURVEY THOUGH. ONE OF YOU WOULD HAVE TO SURVEY IT. DID YOU RECENTLY BUY THE PROPERTY? WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN 2014. I DO HAVE THE SURVEY FROM 2014 AND IT, IT DOES SHOW THAT THERE, THE FENCE IS ON, UM, OUR, OUR PROPERTY. OH. UM, WE, YEAH, WE WOULD LOVE, WE WERE TRYING TO BE NEIGHBORLY, UM, BUT THEY NO LONGER LIVE THERE. THEY JUST STILL OWN THE PROPERTY AND OPERATE A BUSINESS OUT OF IT. WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO, UM, WELL FIRST OFF, YOU KNOW, RE PUSH [01:40:01] IT BACK, UM, SO THAT THE SIDE, I GUESS PATIO BIT, THE PORCH AT THE TOP IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE IN WHICH OUR NEIGHBORS DID THREATEN TO, UM, SHOOT THE WORKERS WHO WERE WORKING ON REPAIRS OF THE HOUSE. SO YES, THIS, UM, OKAY, THAT'S AN EVEN BIGGER PROBLEM. I'M SO SORRY YOU'RE HAVING . I MEAN, UM, YEAH, I'M, FOR THE MOST PART I TRY TO BE NON-CONFRONTATIONAL. I JUST WANT DO WHATEVER IT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO GET ALL OF THIS FIXED. SHE AXES ON THE HOUSE AT LAND THAT SHE CAN'T USE. SO YEAH, SO THERE, THIS, THE CO THE CORNER PROPERTY, HER NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR HAS BEEN, UH, AN ISSUE AND A PROBLEM WITH CODE COMPLIANCE AND OTHER ISSUES. UM, AGAIN, I WOULD, I WOULD STILL SAY THAT STAFF'S OUR, OUR RECOMMENDATION DOES NOT CHANGE. SO WE WANNA MAKE THIS PROPERTY COME INTO COMPLIANCE AND THEN WE'LL ATTACK, NOT WE WILL DEAL WITH THE OTHER PROPERTY . OKAY. SO, SO MA'AM, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THAT, UM, THERE WERE CERTAIN PARTS OF WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO THAT THE STAFF WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY AND THEN WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT MAYBE EVEN NEXT TIME WE MEET OR THE TIME AFTER THAT WE CAN TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBORS INSTEAD OF YOU HAVING TO ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THEIR FENCE. ESPECIALLY IF THEIR FENCE IS POSING AN ACTUAL PHYSICAL DANGER TO YOUR CHILD AND YOU, YOU DON'T WANNA GET HIT BY BOARD EITHER AND IT'S ON THEIR PROPERTY. YEAH. AND IF IT'S ON YOUR PROPERTY LINE, THEN IT'S KIND OF YOUR FENCE TOO. EVEN IF THEY PAID FOR IT, YOU HAVE A SAY IN IT. SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE WOULDN'T EXACTLY APPROVE REBUILDING THE FENCE TO THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO MOTION, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE STAFF DID HAVE SOME CHANGES THEY WANTED US TO MAKE IF WE DID THAT. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? YES. WE'RE HOPING FOR LONG-TERM GREATER VICTORY. OKAY. SO NOW COMMISSIONERS, WE KNOW THIS IS A COMPLEX THING. WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE APPLICANT HAS THIS ISSUE WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE THE WHAT SHE WANTS. UM, ANYBODY GOT A MOTION GIVEN ALL THAT? COMMISSIONER HARPER IN THE MATTER? UH, WELL ACTUALLY BEFORE I MAKE MY MOTION, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THE MOTION IS MEANT TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO DO WHAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO BY ORDINANCE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE DON'T HAVE PURVIEW OVER THE, THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR AND A POTENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERSHIP ISSUE WITH THE FENCE ITSELF. WITH THAT SAID IN THE MATTER OF, UH, ITEM D EIGHT, CASE NUMBER 26 DASH 2 2 2 6 A FOR 48 26 TREEMONT STREET, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I JUST HAD A QUESTION REGARDING THE EASTERN CLOSURE. 'CAUSE THAT'S A NEW PORTION AS WELL. I'M SORRY, WESTERN, UH, ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY. IS THAT A NEW PORTION OF FENCE AS WELL? YES. THE, THE DRIVE, WELL THAT'S THE PART THAT, HERE I'LL PULL IT UP SO EVERYONE IS UM YEAH. IS CLEAR ON THAT ONE SECOND. LET ME, WE ARE, BECAUSE IT'S FARTHER FORWARD THAN CORRECT. RIGHT. SO WE, WE ARE RECOMMENDING ON BOTH SIDES THAT IT NOT BE FARTHER FORWARD THAN THE MID POINT OF THE HALF, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S HALFWAY ON UNLESS OF COURSE, UH, ON THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE ON THE LEFT SIDE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE TO IMAGINE TWO LITTLE, TWO LITTLE FENCES NEXT TO EACH OTHER AND ONE'S WAY FARTHER BACK THAN THE OTHER BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS LONGER, IT JUST IS KIND OF STRANGE. THAT'S LET'S THE WHAT? THAT . . I GOTCHA. OKAY. JUST, OKAY. SO NOW ON, ON THE COVERED PORCH SIDE, STAFF IS ABLE TO APPROVE THIS ONE. SEE THIS RIGHT HERE. IT'S THIS OTHER SIDE THAT WE CANNOT, ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCE, THAT WOULD BE A MOTION BY YOU. YOU ALL IF SO, BUT STAFF IS SAYING WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL SO LONG AS BOTH SIDES ARE AT, SO YOU LOOK AT, OKAY, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ARE WE READY TO VOTE ON THIS ONE? ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. ANY VOTE. ALRIGHT, THIS MOTION HAS CARRIED, UH, STAFF WILL HELP CLARIFY WHAT THIS MEANS CAN BE DONE NEXT AND OF COURSE, THAT WE EXPECT FURTHER EVENTS. SHOULD THERE BE ANY SHOW OF VIOLENCE DURING YOUR CONSTRUCTION EFFORTS? , I SUGGEST YOU'D BE READY TO CALL 9 1 1 BECAUSE EVEN PRE HISTORIC PRESERVATION DOES NOT ADVOCATE USING VIOLENCE CONTROL [01:45:01] CONSTRUCTION. SO I, I WISH YOU WELL, MAN. I'M SORRY FOR THESE TROUBLE SYSTEMS. YEAH, THANK YOU. I'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU AND WE CAN SEE HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. , WONDERFUL. THANK YEAH, WE, WE LOOK TO SEE MORE ON THIS IN THE FUTURE. ALL RIGHTY. OKAY, NOW WE HAVE ONE ISSUE LEFT AND THAT IS D 13 WILLETTE AVENUE. GET THERE. SO CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF. DID WE, UM, NO, WE MOVED ONE TO CONSENT. OH, YES, WE WE MISSED IT BECAUSE WE MISSED IT BECAUSE IT LEFT. OKAY. YES, CORRECT. OKAY. 400 OH. DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 13, 400 NORTH WILLAMETTE AVENUE, COA 26 0 0 0 2 6 6 REQUEST, UH, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE NINE ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH CLAD COMPOSITE WINDOWS ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE NINE ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH CLAD COMPOSITE WINDOWS ON MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT REPLACEMENT WINDOWS ARE ALL WOOD, NO CLADDING, ONE OVER ONE LIGHT CONFIGURATION AND TO BE APPROVED BY STAFF PRIOR TO REPLACEMENT IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CONDITIONS WILL ENSURE THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTION 51 P DASH 87 1 11 A 17. MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE NINE ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH RENEWAL BY ANDERSON WINDOWS, A MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. ONE THAT PROPOSED WINDOWS ARE ALL WOOD, CANNOT BE CLAD AND MAKE SURE BOTTOM RAIL IS WIDER. IE MARVIN HERITAGE PROFILE NUMBER TWO, SUBMIT ADDITIONAL PHOTOS TO PROVE WINDOWS ARE ALL ALUMINUM. NUMBER THREE, ONLY REPLACE ALUMINUM WINDOWS AND PAINT TO MATCH EXISTING. THANK YOU. IF THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION, IF NOT MOTION, THE ONLY THING I MIGHT ADD THAT I'VE, I REALIZED THAT MAYBE OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD, MIGHT, SHOULD HAVE ADDED IS THAT THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS WOULD MATCH THE EXISTING OPENINGS. YES. AND I BELIEVE WE DISCUSSED WE WOULD CHECK THAT ONE AND SHE CAME IN WITH THE SPECS. OKAY. ANY MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION, UM, REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM D 13 2 6 DASH 2 2 3 1 A, ALSO KNOWN AS 400 NORTH WILLAMETTE AVENUE THAT WE APPROVE FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATION. SECOND, UH, THANK YOU MR. SMITH FOR YOUR SECOND. IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT. THE MOTION HAS CARRIED YOU ALL. LET THE APPLICANT KNOW. YES, WE ALL DONE. ALL RIGHT. YES, WE DO HAVE THE MINUTES TO DO. DID ANYBODY HAVE A CORRECTION OR CHANGE THEY WANTED TO MAKE TO THE MINUTES IN THAT CASE, WE NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THEM AS THEY ARE. MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. OKAY. COMMISSIONER ROSKI MADE THE MOTION AND COMMISSIONER REEVES HAS, UH, SECONDED IT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THEN THAT MOTION IS CARRIED. THAT COMPLETES OUR BUSINESS. AND SO WE ARE NOW ADJOURNED AT 2 55. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.