* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [Permit and License Appeal Board Special Called Meeting on July 9, 2026.] [00:00:02] GOOD MORNING. WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE PERMIT AND LICENSE APPEAL BOARD OF THE CITY OF DALLAS. IT IS THURSDAY, JULY 9TH, 2026 AT 8:45 AM I'M ROBERT AGNI, THE CHAIRMAN AND PRESIDING OFFICER OF, UH, THIS BOARD. UH, A BRIEF WORD ABOUT US, UM, PERMANENT LICENSE APPEAL BOARD IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL BOARD MEMBERS SERVE WITHOUT COMPENSATION, UH, UNLESS THE CODE DICTATES OTHERWISE. WE FIND OUR FACTS BASED ON THE PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE MORE LIKELY THAN NOT IN THE AGGREGATE. WE APPLY THOSE FACTS TO THE SPECIFIC, UH, STANDARDS THAT THE CODE, UH, UH, GIVES TO US. WE, WE DON'T MAKE CONSTITUTIONAL DECISIONS. UM, THE FORMAL RULES OF EVIDENCE DO NOT APPLY HERE, WHICH IS TO SAY THAT WE, WE WILL ADMIT MORE THAN A, A COURT DOES, BUT WE DO, UH, WEIGH IT DIFFERENTLY. AND SO, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, WE ALLOW HEARSAY, BUT THAT SHOULDN'T STOP YOU FROM, UH, CALLING IT OUT IF, IF YOU SEE FIT, UM, UM, IF YOU NEED ANYTHING IN THE MEETING, MS. WELL, MS. SANCHEZ IS THE PERSON TO FLAG DOWN. QUESTIONS WILL COME THROUGH ME. I WILL MAKE PROCEDURAL RULINGS AS NECESSARY. UM, OUR AGENDA HAS TWO CASES ON IT, ALTHOUGH ONE HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. UH, SO WE ARE HERE TO, TO HEAR, UH, AN APPEAL OF THE DES FINAL DESIGNATION, UH, AS A, UH, HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY OF THE BROOKLYN AT 9 5 9 0, UM, UH, UNDER SECTION, UH, 27 DASH 48 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE. UM, QUICKLY, I'LL DO A ROLL CALL. UH, PLEASE SAY HERE IF YOU ARE HERE. MR. SACKER? HERE. MS. AYALA? HERE. MS. SMITH. HERE. MS. THOMAS? UH, SHE'S HERE. AND THEN I DON'T SEE HER. I'M GONNA GET IN TROUBLE, SO, OKAY. I DON'T SEE HER NOW. UH, MS. TORRES. I DON'T SEE MR. JEFFERSON HERE. DR. JACKSON? HERE. VICE CHAIR CILLA? HERE. MR. JEFF? MR. CRON? HERE. MR. QUINT? HERE. MS. SHIN? HERE. MR. GONZALEZ? HERE. MR. AGNI IS PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. UH, ALSO WITH US ARE, UH, MEMBERS OF THE CITY. WOULD YOU, UH, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF? THE BOARD'S GENERAL COUNSEL, THERESA CARLISLE FROM THE CITY'S SECRETARY'S OFFICE. MAYOR SALVA MARTINEZ. NANCY SANCHEZ. WELCOME BACK. MARY. UM, THE, UH, WE'LL JUST DO THIS 'CAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE APPELLANT, UH, THE, THE, UH, THE APPLICANT. AND, UH, COUNSEL, WOULD YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF? MY NAME IS JUSTIN DARGER, GENERAL COUNSEL FOR SNUG OWNER, WHICH OWNS THE PROPERTY AT 9 5 9 0 FOREST LANE. AND WITH ME, I HAVE SAMMY BRAX, WHO IS THE DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS FOR THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY OF THE PROPERTY. AND YOU'LL BE TESTIFYING YOUR WITNESS? THAT'S CORRECT. YEP. AND WITH THE CITY, UH, TOMMY PERKINS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. AND YOUR WITNESS, OR, AND DAVID WILKINS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. OKAY. AND DO YOU HAVE A WITNESS? UH, YES, SIR. UH, ROBERT ROBBINS FROM DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT. OKAY. UM, WHEN WE CALL THE CASE, WE'LL SWEAR, UH, MS. SANCHEZ, DO WE HAVE PUBLIC TESTIMONY? NONE. WE DO? NO, NO, NO. OKAY. NO PUBLIC TESTIMONY? NO PUBLIC SPEAKERS. OKAY. SO, UH, THAT GETS US TO THE, UH, TO ITEM TWO, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF OUR, OF THE MINUTES OF OUR JUNE 18TH, 2026 SPECIAL MEETING OF THE PERMANENT AND LICENSE APPEAL BOARD. UH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE MINUTES? THAT SAID, DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. MR. SAXON'S. MOTION? SECOND. SECOND, QUINT. UH, ANY COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYE. [00:05:01] AYE. DO I HAVE A NAY? NO. ALL OPPOSED, NONE. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. UH, FUTURE VOTES WILL BE ROLL CALL. UM, NOW WE HAVE, UH, ITEM THREE, WHICH I WILL CALL BECAUSE IT'S ON OUR AGENDA. UH, IT IS THE DENIAL OF THE DANCE HALL LATE HOURS PERMIT, UM, FOR BABY O'S MEN'S CLUB, UM, AT 91 25 EAST RL THORNTON FREEWAY. UH, MS. SANCHEZ, DID YOU RECEIVE A WITHDRAWAL? YES. AND YOU ACCEPTED IT IN GOOD ORDER? YES. OKAY, THEN IT'S WITHDRAWN. THEN LET'S NOW CALL THE, UH, THE, THE APPEAL THAT WE'RE HERE TO SEE. IT IS, UH, UH, UH, APPEAL OF A, UH, NOTICE OF FINAL DETERMINATION OF A HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY, UM, FOR BROOKLYN AT 9 5 9 0, LOCATED AT 9 5 9 0 FOREST LANE. UH, THE APPEAL WAS FILED WITH THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE AT APRIL 27TH, 2026. UH, BEFORE WE START, LET'S, LET'S SWEAR IN ANY WITNESSES. ANYONE WHO WANTS TO TESTIFY, WOULD YOU PLEASE BE SWORN IN BY MS. SANCHEZ. PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE, THE TESTIMONY YOU WILL GIVE BEFORE THIS BOARD TODAY WILL BE THE TRUTH? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, THE BOARD HAS RECEIVED AND ACCEPTED THREE EXHIBITS, WHICH WE'LL CALL THE, UM, UM, CITY'S EXHIBIT ONE, UM, UH, APPELLANT'S EXHIBIT ONE AND APPELLANT'S REQUEST, I BELIEVE IS HOW WE HAVE IT. IS THAT CORRECT? UM, THE, UH, LET'S JUST VERIFY THAT WITH THE, UM, CITY ATTORNEY, UH, WE ARE HERE UNDER, WHICH AM I CORRECT ON, ON THE, UH, SECTION OF THE CODE THAT, THAT WE'RE HERE UNDER? YES, MA'AM. CHAIR. OKAY. THANK, UM, MS. CARLISLE WILL READ THE ORDINANCE TODAY. YOU HAVE, BEFORE YOU AN APPEAL OF A DESIGNATION AS A HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY. IT IS A DUTY OF THIS BOARD TO EVALUATE THE EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY PRESENTED BEFORE YOU TODAY AND DETERMINE WHETHER THE PRESUMPTIONS IN SECTION 27 DASH 48 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE ARE OR ARE NOT SATISFIED. THE PRESUMPTIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS. NUMBER ONE, WHETHER THE PROPERTY IS OR IS NOT THE SITE OF FIVE OR MORE AVAILABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES WITHIN 365 DAYS IN EITHER A REPORT OF A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY DOCUMENTING AN INVESTIGATION OF AN AVAILABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY ON THE PROPERTY OR ENFORCEMENT ACTION AGAINST ANY PERSON ASSOCIATED WITH THE AVAILABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY ON THE PROPERTY INTO WHETHER THE PROPERTY IS OR IS NOT THE SITE AT WHICH PERSONS HAVE HISTORICALLY COMMITTED AVAILABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES ACCORDING TO RECENT CRIME DATA. AND THREE, AN OWNER OF AN HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY IS PRESUMED TO HAVE KNOWINGLY TOLERATED THE AVAILABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AT THE OWNER'S PROPERTY BY FAILING TO TAKE REASONABLE STEPS. INCLUDED THOSE OUTLINED IN SECTION 27 DASH 49, SUBSECTION B, PARAGRAPH ONE OF THIS CHAPTER AS AMENDED TO ABATE THE ABATE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. ABATE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY MEANS THOSE LISTED, THOSE ACTIVITIES LISTED IN CHAPTER 1 25 OF THE TEXAS CIVIL PRACTICE AND REMEDIES CODE AS AMENDED. IT INCLUDES DISORDERLY CONDUCT, ARSON DISCHARGE OF A FIREARM IN THE PUBLIC PLACE, GAMBLING, PROSTITUTION, AGGRAVATED ASSAULT, ROBBERY, DELIVERY, POSSESSION MANUFACTURER, OR USE OF AN ILLEGAL SUBSTANCE. THE TERM DOES NOT INCLUDE CRIMES OF FAMILY VIOLENCE. IN DETERMINING THE FIRST PRESUMPTION OF WHETHER THE PROPERTY IS OR IS NOT THE SITE OF FIVE OR MORE AVAILABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES WITHIN, WITHIN 365 DAYS, THE BOARD MAY CONSIDER ALL EVIDENCE OCCURRING BEFORE THE NOTICE LETTER DATED FEBRUARY 18TH, 2026. IF YOU DETER, DETERMINE THAT THOSE PRESUMPTIONS ARE SATISFIED, YOU MUST AFFIRM THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE. IF YOU DETERMINE THAT THE PRESUMPTIONS WERE NOT SATISFIED, YOU MAY REVERSE THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, THIS IS BECOMING OLD HAT. SO YOU KNOW, THIS, THE, THE FIRST THING THAT THAT HAS TO HAPPEN IS THE, THE CITY HAS TO PROVE THE PREDICATE. IF THAT PASSES, THEN THE, UM, THE APPELLANT, UH, HAS TO, UH, HAS TO REBUT IT BY, UM, BY, UM, CONVINCING THE BOARD THAT, THAT, UH, THEY ACTED AS A REASONABLE HONOR. UH, YOU KNOW THAT. SO WE HAVE DECIDED THAT THERE'LL BE A THREE MINUTE OPEN AND CLOSE. EACH SIDE WILL HAVE 20 MINUTES. THAT 20 MINUTES WILL INCLUDE YOUR TIME CROSS-EXAMINING [00:10:01] ANY WITNESS. UH, ANSWERING THE BOARD'S QUESTIONS WILL NOT COUNT AGAINST YOUR TIME. UM, SO IF THE CITY WOULD GIVE ITS OPENING, UH, PLEASE BEGIN. GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF THIS MATTER TODAY. THE PURPOSE OF THE CITY'S HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY ORDINANCES TO PROTECT THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE OF THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY BY REDUCING CRIME AT PROPERTIES WHERE THE OWNER HAS PERMITTED OR TOLERATED CRIMINAL ACTIVITY BY NOT TAKING THE STEPS A REASONABLE OWNER WOULD TAKE TO PREVENT CRIME. THROUGH THIS ORDINANCE, THE CITY AIMS TO IMPROVE THE CONDITION OF THE DESIGNATED PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY BY WORKING WITH OWNERS TO RECOMMEND REASONABLE CRIME. AB ABATEMENT MEASURES SET EXPECTATIONS, ESTABLISH TIMELINES, AND MONITOR IMPLEMENTATION OF MEASURES TAKEN. BECAUSE OF THE EXTRA CITY RESOURCES EXPENDED ON THE DESIGNATED PROPERTY, THE ORDINANCE IMPOSES A FEE NOT TO BE PUNITIVE, BUT TO RE RECOUP THE DISPROPORTIONATE AMOUNT OF TAXPAYER RESOURCES USED TO ASSIST JUST ONE PROPERTY. UNDER THIS ORDINANCE, A PROPERTY IS PRESUMED TO BE AN HCP IF FIVE OR MORE DEBATABLE CRIMES HAVE BEEN DOCUMENTED THERE DURING A ONE YEAR PERIOD. AND PERSONS HAVE HISTORICALLY COMMITTED DEBATABLE CRIMES. ACCORDING TO RECENT CRIME DATA, A PROPERTY OWNER IS PRESUMED TO HAVE KNOWINGLY TOLERATED CRIME ON THE PROPERTY BY FAILING TO TAKE REASONABLE MEASURES TO ABATE THE CRIME. THE BROOKLYN APARTMENTS LOCATED AT 95 90 FOREST LANE WAS THE SITE OF FIVE OR MORE DEBATABLE CRIMES WITHIN A 365 DAY PERIOD. SPECIFICALLY, THERE WERE 12 DEBATABLE CRIMES AND APPROXIMATELY 190 CALLS FOR SERVICE DURING OUR ONE YEAR LOOKBACK PERIOD. THE PROPERTY IS ALSO THE SITE AT WHICH PERSONS HAVE HISTORICALLY COMMITTED DEBATABLE CRIMES. IN THE SIX MONTH PERIOD PRIOR TO THE LOOKBACK PERIOD, THERE WERE A FURTHER FIVE AVAILABLE OFFENSES COMMITTED. SINCE THE PROPERTY, SINCE THE PROPERTY'S HCP DESIGNATION BECAME FINAL, THERE HAVE BEEN FOUR MORE AVAILABLE OFFENSES DOCUMENTED. THIS PROPERTY MET THE CRITERIA FOR A PRELIMINARY DESIGNATION AS AN HCP AT THE MARCH 12TH ACCORD MEETING. THE OWNER WAS GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO REBUT THE PRESUMPTIONS LEADING TO THE HCP DESIGNATION, AND DID PRESENT SOME EVIDENCE OF STEPS TAKEN, BUT THOSE STEPS WERE DEEMED INSUFFICIENT OR NOT ALIGNED TO ADDRESS THE SPECIFIC TYPES OF DEBATABLE CRIME OCCURRING ON THE PROPERTY. YOU MAY HEAR THAT THIS DESIGNATION SHOULD BE REMOVED DUE TO RECENT MEASURES THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE TAKEN SINCE THE DESIGNATION. WHILE THE CITY APPRECIATES ALL EFFORTS TO ABATE CRIME, THE TWO ISSUES FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER ARE ONE, WHETHER THE PRESUMPTIONS LISTED IN THE ORDINANCE APPLIED TO THIS PROPERTY AT THE TIME IT WAS DESIGNATED. AND TWO, WHETHER AT OR AFTER THE ACCORD MEETING, THE PROPERTY OWNER PROVIDED EVIDENCE TO REBUT THE PRESUMPTIONS APPLIED TO THE PROPERTY. AT THE TIME IT WAS DESIGNATED, THE CITY ASKED THE BOARD TO AFFIRM THE CHIEF OF POLICE'S FINAL DESIGNATION OF 95 90 FOREST LANE AS A HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY, SO THAT THE CITY CAN CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS AS THEY IMPLEMENT REASONABLE MEASURES TO ABATE CRIME FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PROPERTY, ITS RESIDENTS AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU ARE OPEN, SIR. THANK YOU CHAIR. AND FORGIVE ME FOR MY, UM, LACK OF EXPERIENCE IN DEALING WITH THIS BOARD. SO I'M GOING TO TRY MY BEST TO FOLLOW THE FRAMEWORK THAT YOU HAVE, UM, OUTLINED. BUT THIS IS MY FIRST TIME BEFORE THE BOARD. AND SO FORGIVE ME IF I, UM, AM, AM NEW TO THIS. UM, AS I SAID EARLIER, MY NAME'S JUSTIN INGER. WE'RE GENERAL COUNSEL FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY FOR THIS PROPERTY. WE'VE REPRESENTED THE PROPERTY AND THIS MANAGEMENT COMPANY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. WE WERE NOT RETAINED TO ASSIST WITH THIS. WE HAVE HELPED THIS PROPERTY NAVIGATE ISSUES IN AND AROUND THE PROPERTY FOR MANY, MANY YEARS NOW, UM, AS YOU'LL SEE IN SOME OF THE EVIDENCE THAT IS PRESENTED, WHICH GENERALLY I DON'T THINK EITHER SIDE DISPUTES, UM, ONE OF THOSE IS TAB EIGHT IN THE, UM, UH, CITY'S BINDER, WHICH OUTLINES THE CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT HAVE OCCURRED AT THIS PROPERTY BETWEEN JULY 4TH, 2024 AND MARCH 4TH, 2026, ROUGHLY A TWO YEAR PERIOD, THERE WERE 547 CALLS FOR HELP TO DPD. OF THOSE CALLS, 200 HAVE A NO POLICE ACTION DESIGNATION. ANOTHER 53 HAVE MARK OUT ONLY, WHICH MY UNDERSTANDING INDICATES THAT A REPORT WAS MADE, BUT NO FURTHER ACTION WAS TAKEN, SAID DIFFERENTLY. NEARLY HALF OF THE CALLS TO DDPD FOR HELP AT THIS PROPERTY WENT UNANSWERED. AS A DALLAS RESIDENT MYSELF, I UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES THAT DPD FACES. WE SEE THE ARTICLES RELATED TO UNDER STAFFING THE DIFFICULTIES IN FINDING GOOD OFFICERS TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. UM, PROPOSITION U, WHICH PASSED IN NOVEMBER OF 2024, SET A STATUTORY FLOOR OF 4,000 POLICE OFFICERS. THE LAST DATA I SAW SHOWED THAT DALLAS EXPECTED 3,400 OFFICERS IN 2026. THIS IS WHY [00:15:01] WHEN OUR CLIENT STRUGGLES TO GET ASSISTANCE IN POLICING ITS COMMUNITY IN PREVENTING CRIME, WE HAVE NOT POINTED A FINGER OR RAISED A FUSS. WE HAVE TRIED TO BE A PARTNER IN THE COMMUNITY. WE'VE SHOWED GRACE IN THE FACE OF CHALLENGES, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THE SAME SITE SORT OF COLLABORATION IS NOT BEING PROVIDED IN RETURN. INSTEAD, THE CITY IS NOW SEEKING TO PRIVATIZE AND MONETIZE THE SHORTCOMINGS IN OUR POLICE PROTECTION BY FORCING MY CLIENT TO FUND ITS OWN SECURITY AS SOMEONE WHO PAYS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PROPERTY TAXES. AND AS A DALLAS RESIDENT, THIS IS CONCERNING TO ME BEFORE LOOKING AT THE EVIDENCE THAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE ACCORD MEETING, WHICH HAS NOT CHANGED. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY DISPUTES THE EVIDENCE THAT'S BEFORE THE BOARD. UM, THE CITY HAS PROVIDED EVIDENCE OF CRIME. WE HAVE PROVIDED EVIDENCE OF EFFORTS TO REMEDIATE THAT CRIME AND GET IN FRONT OF THESE ISSUES. I DON'T THINK EITHER SIDE DISPUTES THE VALIDITY OR THE LEGITIMACY OF THE EVIDENCE THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED OR OFFERED, OR WILL BE PRESENTED OR OFFERED. BUT THE STATUTORY FRAMEWORK, I THINK, DOES REQUIRE SOME FOCUS. SECTION 27 46 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE CONFIRMS THAT THE ARTICLE DOES NOT EXPAND EXISTING TORT LIABILITY AGAINST A PROPERTY OWNER. AND YET THE DALLAS CITY CODE DRASTICALLY DISFAVOR THE PROPERTY OWNER AND REMOVES ALL PROTECTIONS CODIFIED BY THE TEXAS CIVIL PRACTICE REMEDIES CODE SECTION 1 25, WHICH IS THE NORMAL CAUSE OF ACTION TO BE USED BY CITIES AND COUNTIES. TO ADDRESS THIS TYPE OF ISSUE REQUIRES THREE THINGS TO FIND A COMMON NUISANCE, A PLACE WHERE PERSONS HABITUALLY GO TO COMMIT A CRIME, AN OWNER WHO KNOWINGLY TOLERATES THE ACTIVITY, YOUR TIME IS UP. SO IF YOU JUST OKAY QUICKLY AND, AND AN OWNER THAT, AND THAT FAILS TO MAKE REASONABLE ATTEMPTS TO ABATE THE ACTIVITY, THE DALLAS CITY CODE SWITCHES ALL OF THOSE INTO PRESUMPTIONS IN FAVOR OF THE CITY. SO WE WILL UNDER PROTEST, UM, DO OUR BEST TO ADDRESS THE REASONABLE EFFORTS. THE THIRD ELEMENT OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE, THAT IS THE FOCUS OF OUR EFFORTS TODAY. UM, WE DON'T DISPUTE THE LEGITIMACY OF THE DEBATABLE, UH, OFFENSES THAT OCCURRED. OUR FOCUS IS THE EFFORTS OF THE CLIENT. THANK, THANK YOU. THIS IS USUALLY IN MY OPENING SPEECH. UH, UM, IF YOU, UH, WANT TO, TO MAKE, UH, ARGUMENTS OF, OF, OF THE INSTITUTE, WHETHER THE THE LAW IS A CONSTITUTIONAL, ET CETERA, I, I WILL NOT STOP YOU FROM MAKING THEM THAT WE UNDERSTOOD. WE, WE DON'T LEGISLATE, SO WE CAN'T DECIDE ON THAT. BUT IF YOU, YOU WANT TO MAKE THEM FOR THE BENEFIT OF RECORD, I, I WON'T INTERRUPT YOU. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU, CHAIR. SO WE OKAY. OKAY. UH, OKAY. THANK YOU. CITY HAS 20 MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MAY I SHARE MY SCREEN PERMISSION TO SHARE MY SCREEN? YES, PLEASE. BUT, UH, HE, HE'D LIKE TO SHARE A SCREEN. AT THIS POINT, THE CITY WOULD CALL SENIOR CORPORAL ROBERT ROBBINS. POINT OF ORDER. I'M SORRY. DID I HEAR MR. QUINT? YES, SIR. CAN THEY PLEASE MAKE THE, THE SHARED SCREEN BIGGER? IT'S THE SMALLEST SCREEN ON, ON MY SCREEN. I DON'T KNOW WHO'S CONTROLLING THE SCREEN. I AM THERE I AM, MR. CHAIR. IT'S FULL SCREEN ON MY SCREEN. MR. QUINT, PART OF IT IS ON YOUR SCREEN. IT'S SCREEN SCREEN AS WELL, MR. CLINTON. IT'S A LOT. IT'S BIGGER NOW I CAN SEE IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, THANKS FOR STOPPING THE TIME. GOOD. MAY I PROCEED MR. CHAIR, PLEASE? OKAY. UH, CITY WOULD CALL IT, UH, DE SIR SENIOR CORPORAL ROBERT ROBBINS. UM, CORPORAL ROBBINS, CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THE BOARD? OBJECT, I'M SORRY. DETECTIVE ROBBINS? UH, DETECTIVE FOR THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, PART OF NUS ABATEMENT UNIT. I'M SORRY. IT IS DETECTIVE ROBIN, NOT SENIOR CORPORAL. SENIOR CORPORAL ROBBINS. DETECTIVE ROBBINS. THE RANK IS SENIOR CORPORAL. MY POSITION IS A DETECTIVE. UH, I HAD TWO TITLES, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. BEEN WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, SIX AND A HALF YEARS. BEEN WITH THE NUISANCE ABATEMENT UNIT FOR APPROXIMATELY NINE MONTHS. AND CAN YOU DESCRIBE YOUR ROLE IN THE NUISANCE ABATEMENT TEAM? UH, WHAT WE DO IS, UH, INVESTIGATE SITE SPECIFIC AREAS THAT HAS A HIGH QUALITY OF CRIME. AND WHAT KIND OF CASES DOES THAT TEAM WORK? [00:20:01] UH, WE, WE WORK ON PROPERTIES AS FAR AS APARTMENT COMPLEXES, UH, SHOPPING CENTERS, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, ANYTHING THAT HAS A, UH, HIGH RESOURCE OF, UH, THAT ALLOWS DPD TO RESPOND TO THESE AREAS. AND WHAT IS THE GOAL OF NUISANCE ABATEMENT AND HABITUAL CRIMINAL, UH, PROPERTY DESIGNATION? THE MAIN GOAL IS TO ASSIST THE OWNER OR PARTIES RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PROPERTY TO HELP REDUCE CRIME BY MITIGATING, UH, METHODS WITH THAT EFFORTS. AND ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY AT 95 94 LANE? YES. AND HOW ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH IT? UH, IT CAME TO MY ATTENTION FROM THE NORTHEAST COMMAND STAFF OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND WHY DID IT COME TO YOUR ATTENTION FROM THEM? UH, DUE TO THE HIGH VOLUME OF, UH, POLICE CALLS AND CRIMINAL ACTIVITY OCCURRING ON THE PROPERTY. UH, CAN YOU BRIEFLY DESCRIBE THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY? UH, IT'S A APARTMENT COMPLEX, APPROXIMATELY OVER A HUNDRED UNITS. UH, SITS JUST EAST OF, UH, UH, 6 35 NEXT TO A QUICK TRIP GAS STATION DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM A BUDGET SUITES ON, UH, FOREST LANE, WHICH IS A MAIN STREET IN DALLAS. IS THERE ANYTHING DISTINCTIVE ABOUT, UH, THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY? UH, YES, THERE IS A HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT BEHIND THE PROPERTY. AND, GO AHEAD. ARE YOU AWARE THAT A FINAL DETERMINATION DESIGNATED THIS PROPERTY IS HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY WAS MADE? YES. AND CAN YOU DESCRIBE FOR THE BOARD THE PURPOSE OF, UH, THE HCP ORDINANCE? UH, MAIN PURPOSE IS TO REDUCE CRIME AND ASSIST THE OWNERS AND MANAGEMENT COMPANY WITH, UH, IMPLEMENTING MEASUREMENTS. SO, UH, WE CAN REDUCE CRIME IN THAT AREA AND ON THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY. AND CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE PROCESS BY WHICH A PROPERTY GETS THAT FINAL DESIGNATION? UH, YES. THE PROPERTY IS BROUGHT TO THE NUISANCE ABATEMENT ATTENTION. UH, FROM THAT POINT ON, A DETECTIVE RESEARCHED THE PROPERTY, LOOKING UP CALL FOR SERVICE, ANY, UH, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS THAT OCCURRED ON THE PROPERTY THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATING THOSE CRIMES OR ALLEGED CRIMES TO SEE IF THERE WAS PROBABLE CAUSE THAT THOSE CRIMES OCCURRED. FROM THAT MOMENT ON, UH, DETECTIVE REVIEWS WHERE THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED, WHAT'S AROUND THE PROPERTY, WHAT'S NEAR THE PROPERTY, UH, ALSO GO AND, UH, MAKE A IN-PERSON VIEW OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL TO SEE WHAT CRIME MEASUREMENT IS ALREADY IMPLEMENTED AND THINGS THAT COULD HAVE, UH, THAT ARE IMPLEMENTED THAT COULD HAVE, UH, STOP THE INCIDENT OR CRIME CRIMINAL ACTIVITY FROM ESCALATING FROM THAT POINT ON, UH, AFTER REVIEWING, UH, POLICE REPORTS, POLICE CALLS, BODY-WORN CAMERA, UH, YOU MAKE AN ASSESSMENT OF THE PROPERTY AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THINGS NEEDS TO BE APPROVED, AND YOU, UH, NOTIFY THE, NOTIFY THE OWNER OF YOUR PRESUMPTION. AND UNDER THE ORDINANCE. WHAT IS THE MINIMUM REQUIRED FOR YOU TO OPEN A CASE AGAINST A PROPERTY? UH, FIVE DEBATABLE INCIDENTS WITHIN ONE YEAR PERIOD. AND DO YOU ALSO LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY? YES. OKAY. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PROPERTY AT 95 90 FOREST LANE. UM, WHEN DID THE, DO YOU KNOW WHEN THE PROPERTY CAME TO YOUR ATTENTION? I WOULD SAY FEBRUARY OF 2026. AND WHAT WAS YOUR NEXT STEP AFTER IT CAME TO YOUR ATTENTION? UH, ONCE IT CAME TO MY ATTENTION, I REVIEWED EVERYTHING THAT'S PRESENTED IN FRONT OF ME AND WENT THROUGH IT. AND, UH, I, I WAS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY. I WORKED PATROL AT NORTHEAST, SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY. UH, I DID AN ASSESSMENT WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT I HAVE, UH, AND TRYING TO SEE AND, UH, CALCULATE HOW THE PROPERTY COULD HAVE BEEN BECOME A HARD TARGET FROM CRIME. FROM THERE, I DID MY CONTACT VISIT, SPOKE WITH RESIDENTS. I ALSO SPOKE WITH MANAGEMENT TEAM, UH, WALKED AROUND THE PROPERTY, DID NIGHT INSPECTIONS, STATE INSPECTIONS OF THE PROPERTY, AND CAME WITH, WITH A CONCLUSION. AND, UM, HOW MANY AAT OFFENSES D OCCURRED DURING YOUR RESEARCH? UH, IN THE RESEARCH PRESENTED TO ME, THERE WAS 12 AAT OFFENSES. AND ALL OF THESE AVAILABLE OFFENSES OCCURRED ON THE PROPERTY? YES. AND WHAT KIND OF, UM, OFFENSES OCCURRED? UH, YOU HAVE POSSESSION OF NARCOTICS, ROBBERY, AGGRAVATED, AGGRAVATED ASSAULT OCCURRED ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL. AND, UH, MISCELLANEOUS IS CRIMINAL DAMAGE TO PROPERTY. UM, AND WHAT MAKES AN OFFENSE AGGRAVATED? UH, ANYONE USING A DAILY WEAPON THAT CAN CAUSE SERIOUSLY BODILY INJURY OR DEATH TO A PERSON. AND WOULD YOU CONSIDER THOSE, UH, SERIOUS CRIMES? EXTREMELY SERIOUS. AND THEN, UM, DID YOU LOOK BACK AT THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY? YES. AND DURING THAT TWO YEAR AVAILABLE HISTORY, WHAT KIND, UH, HOW MANY ABATES OCCURRED? FIVE. UM, DOES THE PROPERTY HAVE A HISTORY OF, UM, CALLS FOR SERVICE AS WELL? YES. AND DURING THE, UM, YEAR PERIOD THAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT THE ABATES, HOW MANY CALLS FOR SERVICE WERE THERE? IT WAS APPROXIMATELY 190 CALLS FOR SERVICE. AND IS THAT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT IN A ONE YEAR PERIOD? YES. AND WHAT IS A CALL FOR SERVICE? A CALL FOR SERVICE. IS ANYONE PUTTING IN A NINE ONE ONE CALL FOR POLICE ASSISTANCE AND AN OFFICER GO OUT THERE AND INVESTIGATE TO SEE IF THE INCIDENT IS CIVIL, CRIMINAL, OR ANY TYPE OF RESOURCES NEEDED TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE. AND NOW THAT THE, THE REQUISITE NUMBER REPEATABLES HAVE BEEN [00:25:01] MET, THE 12 AND HISTORY OF DEBATABLE CRIME, WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP FOR YOU? UH, YOU HAVE A COURT MEETING WITH THE OWNER AND REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PROPERTY, AND IT'S THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT ANY EVIDENCE TO, UH, REBUT OUR PRESUMPTION. AND WHEN WAS THAT ACCORD MEETING HELD? UH, MARCH 12TH, 2026. DID UH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM OWNERSHIP APPEAR? YES. AND WHAT KIND OF EVIDENCE DID THEY PRESENT TO YOU? UH, THEY PRESENTED EVIDENCE OF THEM CONTACTING THE POLICE FOR, UH, MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES ON THE PROPERTY. UH, THEY ALSO, UH, SUBMITTED, UH, VIOLATIONS FOR TENANTS THAT THEY DEEMED PROBLEM TENANTS, THAT THEY WERE ISSUING LEASE VIOLATION AS AN ATTEMPT TO, UH, MITIGATE THE ISSUES THAT WAS OCCURRING ON THE PROPERTY, CRIMINAL ISSUES THAT WAS OCCURRING ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL. UH, THEY ALSO ISSUED A SECURITY CONTRACT, WHICH WAS VOID AFTER I MADE CONTACT WITH THE SECURITY COMPANY. UH, SO TO BE CLEAR THAT THE SECURITY CONTRACT THAT WAS ISSUED TO YOU WAS NOT VALID AT THE TIME OF THE MEETING? CORRECT. SO THERE WAS NO SECURITY ON THE PROPERTY AT THE TIME OF THE ACCORD MEETING? CORRECT. UM, AND AFTER THAT ACCORD MEETING, BUT BEFORE THE FINAL DESIGNATION IS ISSUED, DO YOU DO AN INSPECTION OF THE PROPERTY? YES. AND, UM, WHAT DID YOU FIND DURING THAT INSPECTION? UH, DURING THE INSPECTION AND SITE AND NIGHT VISITS, YOU FIND THAT THE PROPERTY IS EASILY ACCESSIBLE DUE TO THE LACK OF SECURE GATES. UH, THE GATES WERE, UH, MALFUNCTIONING OR THERE WERE NO GATES FOR VEHICLE OR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, MAKING THE PROPERTY EASY ACCESSIBLE FOR VEHICLES AND PEDESTRIANS WITHIN THE AREA. ALSO, THERE WAS NO ACTIVE SECURITY FOOTAGE FOR THE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT BIG OF THAT LARGE. UH, THERE WAS NO ACTIVE, UH, PARKING. UH, THERE WAS NO ACTIVE TENANT OR VISITOR PARKING PROCEDURES ON THE PROPERTY, AND THERE WAS NO ACTIVE TOWING COMPANY PATROLLING THE PROPERTY AS WELL TO TOW VEHICLES. SO BASED OFF OF WHAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE, UH, COURT MEETING AND THEN YOUR INSPECTION FOLLOWING THE ACCORD MEETING, DID YOU MAKE A DETERMINATION REGARDING WHAT TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY? YES. AND WHAT WAS THAT DECISION? I DETERMINED THAT THE PROPERTY, UH, NEEDS, UH, THE CITY'S HELP. SO WE'RE IMPLEMENTING SOME PREVENTATIVE CRIME MEASURES SO WE CAN REDUCE THE CRIME THAT'S OCCURRING ON THE PROPERTY, PARTICULARLY, UH, PEOPLE COMING THE HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT AND HOW ACCESSIBLE THE PROPERTY IS. SO YOU DECIDED TO FINALLY DESIGNATE THE PROPERTY? YES. AND CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT YOUR FINAL DETERMINATION OF THAT WAS BASED OFF OF? IT WAS BASED OFF THE CALL FOR SERVICE, BUT, UH, MOST IMPORTANTLY IT WAS BASED OFF THE INCIDENTS, THE CRIMINAL INCIDENTS THAT OCCURRED ON THE PROPERTY, AND A LACK OF, UH, RESOURCES THAT THE PROPERTY PROVIDED TO MITIGATE OR ELIMINATE SOME OF THOSE ISSUES. AND WHY WAS THAT EVIDENCE THAT THEY SUBMITTED NOT SUFFICIENT FOR YOU? BECAUSE MAJORITY OF THE EVIDENCE THAT THEY PRESENTED THERE, UH, THERE WAS THE CRIME STILL INCREASED ON THE PROPERTY, BUT ALSO, UH, THE EVIDENCE DID NOT MITIGATE ANYTHING THAT OCCURRED ON THE PROPERTY CRIMINALLY. UM, CAN YOU DESCRIBE, UH, WHAT YOU SEE IN THIS PHOTO OF THE PROPERTY? UH, THAT RIGHT THERE IS A, UH, ENTRY TO THE PROPERTY THAT IS UNSECURED. UM, IS THERE A GATE THAT SHOULD BE THERE? IT SHOULD BE A GATE THERE, YES. UM, WHAT ABOUT THE LIGHTING THAT YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PHOTO? UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR PHOTO, UH, THERE'S, THAT'S MY VEHICLE'S, UH, ILLUMINATING THE AREA, BUT, UH, IT'S POOR LIGHTING ON THE PROPERTY AS SOON AS YOU ENTER THE PROPERTY. SO, JUST TO BE CLEAR, DID FIVE OR MORE AAT CRIMES OCCUR AT THE PROPERTY WITHIN A 365 DAY PERIOD? YES. IS THERE A HISTORY OF AAT CRIME AT THE PROPERTY? YES. AND BASED OFF OF YOUR OPINION FROM WHAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE ACCORD MEETING, DID THE OWNER FAIL TO PROPERLY IMPLEMENT REASONABLE CRIME MEASURES? YES. OKAY. I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE PROPERTY, UM, FROM YOUR INSPECTIONS. CAN YOU TELL ME, UH, TELL THE BOARD WHAT YOU SEE IN THESE PHOTOS? UH, THE PHOTO TO THE FAR LEFT IS, I'M SORRY, THE PHOTO TO THE FAR LEFT IS, UH, AGAIN, A PICTURE ILLUSTRATING THE POOR LIGHTING ON THE PROPERTY AND A OPEN GATE. AND THEN WHAT ABOUT IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE? IN THE MIDDLE, AGAIN, YOU HAVE, UH, EASY ACCESSIBLE ENTRYWAY TO THE PROPERTY, AND YOU CAN SEE HOW POORLY THE PROPERTY IS LIT. AND THEN THE LAST PHOTO, THE LAST ONE IS I WAS EXIT IN THE PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S NO GATE OR ANYTHING PREVENTING ANYONE FROM ENTERING OR LEAVING THE PROPERTY. HOW MANY ENTRANCES AND EXITS ARE THERE TO THE PROPERTY? UH, THERE'S A TOTAL OF TWO VEHICLE ENTRANCES AND EXITS. AND, UH, THERE ARE A FEW PEDESTRIAN DOORS THAT ARE UNSECURED. IS ANYTHING AT AN ENTRANCE OR EXIT TO THE PROPERTY SECURED? NO. SO THERE'S EASY ACCESS FOR ANYONE TO ENTER THE PROPERTY? YES. FROM THE FRONT, YES. THEN I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE LIGHTING ON THE PROPERTY. CAN YOU, UH, DESCRIBE WHAT YOU SEE IN THESE PHOTOS? UH, SO ON THE FAR LEFT, THAT WAS A PHOTO OF ME USING MY, UH, UH, [00:30:01] USING MY CAMERA WITH THE FLASH AND THE PHOTO IN THE MIDDLE. THERE IS A PHOTO OF HOW THE PROPERTY IS LIT WHEN I TURN MY FLASH OFF. AND THE PHOTO ON THE FAR RIGHT IS, AGAIN, ME USING MY FLASH TO ILLUMINATE THE PROPERTY. AND WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO HAVE, UH, ADEQUATE LIGHTING ON A PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY ONE OF THIS SIZE? UH, IT, IT MAKES IT EASILY VISIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON ON A PROPERTY AND TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM BECOMING A VICTIM OF CRIME. AND IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT THERE'S THOSE DARK SPOTS, THERE'S A HIGHER PROBABILITY THAT CRIME COULD OCCUR IN THOSE? YEAH, CRIME COULD OCCUR. AND AT ANY POINT AS YOU'VE WORKED THIS PROPERTY, HAS THERE BEEN SECURITY ON SITE? NO. UM, I KNOW AT ONE POINT THERE WAS, 'CAUSE YOU WERE GIVEN AN EXPIRED CONTRACT. DO YOU KNOW WHY THAT CONTRACT EXPIRED? UH, FROM TALKING TO THE SECURITY, EXCUSE ME, FROM TALKING TO THE SECURITY AGENCY, IT WAS DUE TO THE LACK OF PAYMENT. AND HAVE YOU EVER SEEN, UM, LOITERING ON THE PROPERTY WHEN YOU'VE BEEN THERE? YES. AND THEN I WANNA TALK A LITTLE ABOUT THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, THAT LEADS TO THAT HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT. CAN YOU SAY WHAT'S IN THESE PHOTOS? UH, RIGHT HERE IS A CLEAR PATHWAY OF, UH, OFF PROPERTY BEING ABLE TO EASILY ASSESS THE PROPERTY. BEHIND IS A FOREST FOREST AREA WHERE THERE'S A HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT LOCATED. AND THEN IN THE MIDDLE, IS THAT BROKEN FENCING? YES. AND THEN NOT ADEQUATE FENCING ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY EITHER? CORRECT. AND THAT, THAT IS WHERE THE HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT IS IN THAT RAVINE, CORRECT? YES. SO THERE'S NOTHING TO STOP ANYONE FROM COMING INTO THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY EITHER? NO, THERE IS NOT. NOW, IF THERE WAS SECURITY ON THE PROPERTY, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO STOP PEOPLE FROM COMING IN ON THE BACKSIDE, EVEN, EVEN IF THOSE THAT FENCING WAS NOT MAINTAINED? YES, THEY'D BE ABLE TO STOP AND INITIATE AN INVESTIGATION. AND THEN THE VEGETATION, UH, ON THE PROPERTY. WHY IS THAT SIGNIFICANT? IT'S, IT'S ALSO A, A SPOT FOR THINGS, THINGS, CRIMINAL THINGS TO OCCUR, AND IT'S, IT'S A BROKEN WINDOW EFFECT IF THINGS ARE NOT TRIMMED AND, UH, PROFESSIONALLY GROOM, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO NOT RESPECT THE PROPERTY AS WELL. AND HAVE YOU HAD AN, AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, LET'S TALK, LET'S, WHAT ARE, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT REASONABLE MEASURES FOR A PROPERTY? ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS I TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IS REVIEWING PROPERTIES THAT DO HAVE, THAT DOES HAVE REASONABLE MEASURES, AND, UH, HAS SUCCESS REDUCING CRIME ON THEIR PROPERTY. AND I TAKE SIMILAR PROPERTIES, UH, SIMILAR AMOUNT OF APARTMENT, UH, UNITS AND SEE WHAT THE PROPERTY THAT I'M CURRENTLY INVESTIGATE HAS. AND THE MAIN REASON, THE MAIN THING IS TO HELP MITIGATE THE CRIME. AND WHAT WOULD YOU SAY, WHAT MAJOR CRIME PREVENTION MEASURES DID THIS PROPERTY FAIL TO TAKE? UH, ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS IS, UH, SECURING A LOCATION WITH, UH, SECURE GATES FOR VISITORS AND TENANTS AND THE LACK OF VIDEO SURVEILLANCE ON THE PROPERTY. AND, UM, HAS THERE BEEN ANYTHING IMPLEMENTED SINCE THE DESIGNATION PERIOD HAPPENED? UH, THE ONLY THING THAT I SEEN WERE POSTINGS OF, UH, SIGNS. UM, BUT NO ADDED SECURITY, NO GATES, NOTHING LIKE THAT? NO. THE GATES ARE STILL NOT FUNCTIONING. UM, AND SINCE THE, UH, SINCE THE PRESUMPTION LETTER, HAVE THERE BEEN MORE AB BEATABLE OFFENSES? YES. HOW MANY? UH, A TOTAL OF FOUR. ONE STEMMING FROM A SHOOTING THAT OCCURRED ON THE PROPERTY MAY 8TH. OKAY. SO BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE AS A DALLAS POLICE OFFICER AND A DETECTIVE DESIGNED TO THE NUISANCE ABATEMENT TEAM, IS IT YOUR OPINION THAT THIS PROPERTY IS UNSAFE IN A PLACE KNOWN FOR HABITUAL CRIMINAL ACTIVITY? YES. IS IT YOUR OPINION THAT THIS PROPERTY HAS NOT IMPLEMENTED REASONABLE STEPS NECESSARY TO ABATE SUCH CRIMES? YES. AND WHAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE REASONABLE STEPS NEEDED TO BE TAKEN AT THIS PROPERTY ARE, UH, SECURING THE PROPERTY, UH, WITH GATES, UH, ADDING SOME POINT, ADDING SOME TYPE OF SECURITY COMPANY OR SOME TYPE OF, UH, PRESENCE THAT IT'S ABLE TO, UH, REDUCE LOITERING, SOLICITING AND CRIMINAL ACTIVITY ON THE PROPERTY. AND HAVING A, ANY TYPE OF SUB VIDEO SURVEILLANCE THAT CAN RECORD THINGS THAT ARE OCCURRING ON THE PROPERTY AND ASSIST WITH POLICE INVESTIGATIONS. AND GIVEN THE, THE, THE, UM, THE STATE OF THE LIGHTING, WOULD THE LIGHTING NEED TO BE UPGRADED AS WELL? YES. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR? THANK YOU. IS THERE CROSS-EXAMINATION? YES. CHAIR, DETECTIVE ROBBINS, UM, I'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT THE GOAL, ONE OF THE GOALS HERE IS TO ASSIST, TO ASSIST THE OWNER PRIOR TO SEEKING THE DESIGNATION AT ISSUE AT THIS HEARING. I'M SORRY. LET ME, LET ME, I DON'T, I I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY GETS THEIR TIME HERE. THIS, THIS COMES OUT OF, UH, THEIR 20, [00:35:01] NO, NO OBJECTION TO THAT. THANK YOU. , I DON'T SUPPOSE YOU, YOU KNOW EXACTLY THE TIME YOU HAD WHEN YOU STOPPED. I DON'T, I KNOW IT WAS, IT WAS UNDER FIVE MINUTES, BUT OVER FOUR, OVER FOUR 30. SO MAY FOUR 30 IS FINE, MR. CHAIR. OKAY, GOOD? YES. OKAY. OKAY. ARE WE GOOD TO GO? YES, YOU ARE UP. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. SORRY. NO WORRIES. DETECTIVE ROBBINS, UM, AS I WAS SAYING, I, I'VE HEARD SEVERAL TIMES THAT ONE OF THE GOALS HERE IS TO ASSIST THE OWNER PRIOR TO SEEKING THE DESIGNATION AT ISSUING THIS CASE. DID YOUR OFFICE, UM, PROVIDE ANY ASSISTANCE OR TIPS TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, IN ADVANCE OF SEEKING THIS DESIGNATION? UH, I'M AWARE THAT, UH, THEY WERE WORKING WITH CODE TO FIX SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT I RECOMMENDED FIXING PRIOR TO, UH, MY UNIT INVESTIGATING THE PROPERTY. AND DO YOU KNOW IF ALL OF THOSE ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED THROUGH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT, UM, WERE ADDRESSED? UH, NOT ALL, BUT SOME ISSUES WERE, UH, ADDRESSED. OKAY. AND OF THE 12 AVAILABLE OFFENSES IN THE 365 DAY PERIOD, I BELIEVE FOUR OF THOSE WERE CRIMINAL MISCHIEF CHARGES, IS THAT RIGHT? UH, BRING IT UP. UH, IT WAS A, IT WAS MORE THAN ONE, I CAN SAY THAT, YES. OKAY. AND I BELIEVE FOUR OF THEM WERE ALSO POSSESSION OF DRUG CHARGES, IS THAT RIGHT? GIMME A MOMENT TO TAKE A LOOK. YES. AND THERE WAS ONLY ONE AGGRAVATED ASSAULT, CORRECT? YES. AND I FORGET THE NUMBER THAT YOU SAID IN RELATION TO THE CALLS FOR SERVICE. I, I'VE LOOKED AT THE CITY'S EVIDENCE, AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS APPROXIMATELY 540 OVER A TWO YEAR PERIOD, BUT DO YOU KNOW OF, OF THE 365 DAYS THAT ISSUED, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY CALLS FOR SERVICE THERE WERE ROUGHLY, UH, APPROXIMATELY 190. OKAY. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY OF THOSE WERE RESPONDED TO? UH, NO, I DO NOT. I, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, YOU WERE, UM, THE REPRESENTATIVE AT THE ACCORD MEETING. I WAS THERE AS WELL. UM, AND WE PRESENTED A GREAT DEAL OF INFORMATION RELATED TO THE PROPERTIES EFFORTS TO REMOVE PROBLEMATIC TENANTS. WOULD YOU AGREE WITH ME THAT BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE PRIOR ACCORD MEETING, THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER DID MAKE, UH, SIGNIFICANT EFFORTS TO TRY TO REMOVE TENANTS THAT THEY KNEW WERE PROBLEMATIC, MADE SIGNIFICANT EFFORTS TO NOTE THE LEASE VIOLATION THAT WAS OCCURRING, UH, AS FAR AS WRITING UP, SHOWING EVIDENCE THAT, UH, THESE PARTICULAR TENANTS WERE, UH, GIVING VIOLATIONS FOR, UH, THINGS THAT THEY HAVE CONDUCTED ON THE PROPERTY THAT WERE NOT TOLERATED? YOU DID, YOU ALL DID PRESENT THAT TO ME. AND YOU ALSO, UH, YOU MAY RECALL THAT THERE WERE EVICTIONS FILED ONCE, ONCE THE PROPERTY OWNER HAD THE LEGAL BASIS TO SEEK AN EVICTION. UM, WE DID PRESENT EVIDENCE OF THOSE EVICTION EFFORTS. DO YOU RECALL THAT? YES. I RECALL THAT THE, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP IN YOUR TESTIMONY WAS, IS THE ENCAMP, THE HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT BEHIND THE PROPERTY. DO YOU KNOW IF THERE HAVE BEEN ANY EFFORTS BY YOUR OFFICE OR DPD TO REMOVE OR DISPLACE THAT ENCAMPMENT? UH, I CAN'T TESTIFY TO THAT. UH, WHAT I KNOW MY OFFICE, WE DON'T, UH, RESOLVE HOMELESS ISSUES. DO YOU KNOW WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY THAT THAT ENCAMPMENT IS ON? I DON'T KNOW THE NAME TO, TO MY KNOWLEDGE. ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT WHO OWNS THAT AREA? YES. UH, NO, I DON'T KNOW THE NAME TO MY KNOWLEDGE AS A, I THINK YOU SAID YOU'VE BEEN WITH DPD FOR SIX AND A HALF YEARS, IS THAT RIGHT? YES, SIR. OKAY. AS, AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, UM, DO YOU THINK THAT THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES OR, UM, A RIPPLE EFFECT WHEN PEOPLE POTENTIALLY CRIMINALS, UM, LEARN THAT 9 1 1 CALLS GO UNRESPONDED TO, UH, I, SO, SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR. YOU'RE ASKING DO I KNOW THAT PEOPLE WHO CALL 9 1 1 AND THEY ARE UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT POLICE WILL NOT RESPOND, THAT THAT EX ES UH, ESCALATE THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY THAT THEY WANT TO ACT ON, OR, WELL, IF, IF I'M A CRIMINAL RIGHT, WHICH FOR THE RECORD I'M NOT, BUT IF I WAS A CRIMINAL RIGHT, AND I WAS WANTING [00:40:01] TO DO CRIME, AND DO YOU THINK I'M MORE LIKELY TO COMMIT THAT CRIME IF I KNOW, OR IF I HAVE A REASON TO BELIEVE THAT NINE ONE ONE'S NOT GONNA RESPOND, OR IF I KNOW THAT 9 1 1 WILL? I THINK IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A STRETCH QUESTION BECAUSE A CRIMINAL, UH, PROBABLY IT'S ALL ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY PRESENTED IN FRONT OF THEM AT THAT MOMENT. THEY WANT TO ACT ON THE, UH, ACT ON THE THOUGHT OF COMMITTING CRIME AS FAR AS WHERE THEY ARE, THE LOCATION, WHAT'S AROUND IT, WHO'S AROUND, WHAT'S GOING ON, THE MITIGATING FACTORS OF, YOU KNOW, ONE MAY CONSIDER THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT THE ONLY THING. IT'S THE, THE OPPORTUNITY TO WANT TO COMMIT CRIME HAS TO BE THERE. AND THAT OPPORTUNITY HAS A BUNCH OF FACTORS, NOT JUST, UH, THINKING ABOUT THE RESPONSE OF POLICE. ABSOLUTELY. AND, AND I AGREE THAT THERE ARE LIKELY A NUMBER OF FACTORS, BUT POLICE RESPONSIVENESS IS LIKELY ONE OF THEM. I CAN'T THINK FOR A CRIMINAL, BUT IT'S, IT CAN ALSO, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT TYPE OF CRIMINAL YOU ASK AND WHICH CRIMINAL YOU ASK IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO IN DEPTH TELL YOU. OKAY. DO YOU KNOW WHY THE GATES, THE DRIVING GATES AT THE PROPERTY WERE REMOVED? NO, I DO NOT. THAT WAS NOT PRESENTED TO ME AT THE ACCORD. SAY THAT AGAIN, SORRY. NO, I DO NOT. OKAY. AND ARE YOU AWARE OF WHAT, UH, RESTRICTIONS THE PROPERTY HAS IN PLACE TO REGULATE PARKING ON THE PROPERTY? WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO ME AT THE ACCORD MEETING? I DO NOT. THERE, THERE WAS NO PARKING RESTRICTIONS PRESENTED AT THE ACCORD MEETING AS FAR AS ANY CONTRACT OR HARDCORE EVIDENCE. IT WAS IDEAS PRESENTED FROM MANAGEMENT TEAM, WHAT THEY WERE, UH, ORCHESTRATING AS A PLAN, BUT THERE WAS NO, UH, AGREEMENT OR A PLAN BUILD OUT ILLUSTRATED PRESENTED TO ME AS EVIDENCE DID. BUT AS PART OF YOUR INVESTIGATION INTO THE PROPERTY, DID YOU LOOK INTO ANY, UM, RULES OR REGULATIONS OR, OR PROCEDURES THAT WERE IMPLEMENTED TO REGULATE PARKING? YES. THE TENANTS AND, UH, UH, UH, VISITOR, UH, PARKING RULES AND PROCEDURES? YES, THAT WAS IN THE LEASE AGREEMENT. ALRIGHT. NOTHING FURTHER. EXCUSE ME. I WAS ASKING MY ATTORNEY QUESTION. NO, NOTHING FURTHER. THANK YOU. UM, AT THIS POINT, UH, UNLESS YOU'D LIKE TO REDIRECT, UH, THE BOARD MEASUREMENT, JUST, JUST BRIEFLY, MR. CHAIR. OKAY. ALRIGHT. DETECTIVE ROBBINS, UM, ARE LEASE VIOLATIONS ALONE ENOUGH OF A REASONABLE MEASURE TO BRING CRIME DOWN ON THE PROPERTY? NO. UM, WHAT ABOUT EVICTIONS? YES. UH, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO IDENTIFY A PROBLEMATIC TENANT AND A VICTIM FROM YOUR PROPERTY, THAT CAN DEFINITELY ASSIST WITH REDUCING CRIME ON THE PROPERTY. AND I WANNA TALK ABOUT RESPONSE TIMES A LITTLE BIT. IF THERE WAS SECURITY ON THE PROPERTY, COULD THEY HANDLE THOSE ISSUES BEFORE DPD ARRIVED? YES, THEY CAN ASSIST WITH, UH, PREVENTING THE INCIDENT FROM ESCALATING TO DPD ASSISTANCE. WHAT ABOUT SHORING UP THE PROPERTY TO MAKE SURE THAT PEDESTRIANS COULDN'T WALK FROM THE STREET ONTO THE PROPERTY? YEAH, THAT, THAT'S, UH, ANOTHER THING THAT SECURITY, UH, SECURE GATES HARDEN YOUR TARGET. ADEQUATE LIGHTING CAN ALSO ASSIST WITH THAT. IS IT UNREASONABLE TO ASK A PROPERTY OWNER TO, UM, SHORE UP THEIR PROPERTY IN COORDINATION WITH DPD RESPONDING? IT'S NOT UNREASONABLE AT ALL. IT'S THE OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY AND, UM, AGGRAVATED ASSAULTS AND CRIMINAL MISCHIEFS, ARE THOSE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN FROM PEOPLE RANDOMLY COMING ONTO THE PROPERTY? UH, YES. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR? THANK YOU. UM, QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, UM, EVEN THOUGH MS. SHIN WON'T ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT WAS HER IDEA. UM, SO WE ARE, WE ARE UNDER THE NIK RULE WITH THREE MINUTES, AND THEN TWO, UM, WE'LL GO, UM, TOP TO BOTTOM. SO, MR. GONZALEZ, OKAY, MS. SHIN, NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU MR. QUINT. NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. MR. CROW? NO QUESTION, SIR. VICE CHAIR CILLA. VICE CHAIR? CILLA. OH, IF YOU'RE TALKING, WE DON'T HEAR YOU. RICHARD, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? WE CAN. OKAY, PERFECT. SORRY, UH, I DO HAVE QUESTIONS. UH, DETECTIVE, THANKS FOR BEING HERE. I HAVE QUESTIONS IN REGARD TO THE FEBRUARY 18TH WRITTEN NOTICE. UH, THAT LISTED [00:45:01] WHAT I HAVE DOWN AS NINE SUBJECTS, AND I JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH A FEW OR HIGHLIGHT THEM IN REGARD TO THE, UH, REQUEST IN LEASING. IT DOES INDICATE THAT THEY WOULD WORK ON, UH, PROVIDING SOME TYPE OF CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS OR REQUESTED THAT. DO YOU KNOW IF THEY EVER, UH, THE OWNERSHIP OR THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT TEAM EVER DID CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS OF, OF, UH, TENANTS OR POTENTIAL TENANTS? UH, WHEN PRESENTED IN A COURT MEETING, THEY DO THE STANDARDIZED, UH, LEASING, WHICH IS A SOFT BACKGROUND CHECK ON ANY APPLICANT APPLYING FOR AN APARTMENT. AND ARE YOU AWARE OF WHETHER THEY, UH, IMPLEMENTED ANYTHING RELATED TO, UM, THE, OR SENDING YOU AN ADDENDUM, A CRIME PREVENTION ADDENDUM THAT, THAT STATED? UH, I'M UNAWARE OF THAT. UH, THEY HAVEN'T PRESENTED THAT. OKAY. AND AS, AND JUST AS IT STATED, IT WAS AT ROBERT.ROBBINS@DALLASPOLICE.GOV, SO NOTHING WAS RECEIVED AT THAT EMAIL? UH, NOTHING WAS RECEIVED AT THAT EMAIL AS, AS FAR AS, OKAY. YOUR PARTICULAR, AND THEN IT STATED THAT THE, OH, I'M SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF. I'M SORRY. UH, YOU, YOU'RE AS FAR AS YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE, UH, THE ADDENDUM FOR THE LEASE. OKAY. AND ALSO UNDER THE LEASING SECTION SAID, YOU KNOW, ENSURE THAT THE PROPERTY HAS COMMUNITY RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT ARE ENFORCED. WERE YOU AWARE OF ANY TYPE OF COMMUNITY RULES OR REGULATIONS THAT THEY PROVIDED YOU? UH, WELL, THEY, INSIDE THE LEASE THEY HAVE RULES AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ABLE TO, UH, INITIATE LEASE VIOLATIONS. OKAY. AND THEN THE CAMERAS, YOU HAD SAID THERE, WERE THERE CAMERAS OR WERE THERE MINIMUM CAMERAS OR DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MANY CAMERAS WERE ACTUALLY THERE? THEY HAVE CAMERAS, BUT THEY ARE NOT OPERATING THERE, UH, QUOTE UNQUOTE DUMMY CAMERAS ON THE PROPERTY. SO THERE'S NOT EVEN ANY KIND OF, UM, FEED THAT YOU COULD EVEN SEE LIVE. THEY'RE JUST SITTING UP THERE WITH NO, THEY'RE NOT OPERATING. YOU ARE CORRECT. THERE'S NO FEED, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOTHING. THEY'RE JUST, UH, OKAY. YES. DID, DID, WAS THERE ANY EXPLANATION WHEN YOU RECEIVED THE SECURITY LEASE OR THE SECURITY AGREEMENT THAT, HEY, BY THE WAY, THIS IS EXPIRED AND WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A SECURITY TEAM, BUT WERE GETTING ONE. WAS THERE ANY KIND OF EXPLANATION TO RELATED WHY YOU WERE GIVEN AN EXPIRED SECURITY AGREEMENT BY THE OWNERS? UH, ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WAS BUDGET, AND ALSO THEY, THAT THEY FELT THAT, UH, THEY WANT TO WORK WITH A SECURITY COMPANY THAT BETTER FIX THE NEEDS. BUT AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SAID IT WAS EXPIRED, DO YOU KNOW HOW OLD IT WAS OR WHEN DID IT EXPIRE? UH, I BELIEVE THE LAST INCIDENT, THEY HIRED THE SECURITY COMPANY AUGUST OF 2025. AND OKAY. I, YES. AND WHEN I SPOKE TO, THAT'S WHEN THE CONTRACT WAS EXECUTED, WHEN I SPOKE TO THE SECURITY COMPANY, I BELIEVE IT WAS, UH, TERMINATED, UH, SHORTLY AFTER THEY, UH, DUE TO VOID THE PAYMENT. ONE OF THE THINGS WE ALSO TALK ABOUT IN THESE TYPES OF MATTERS IS WHETHER THERE'S A TOW TRUCK AGREEMENT. DO YOU KNOW IF THERE WAS A TOW TRUCK AGREEMENT OR ANY KIND OF TOWING SERVICE? NO, THERE WAS NOT. THAT WAS, THAT WAS CONNECTED TO THIS PROPERTY? NO, THERE WAS NOT SIGNAGE. DO YOU KNOW OF ANY SIGNAGE THAT WAS ON THERE? NO. TRESPASSING PROPERTY MONITORED, TOWING ENFORCED IN THE BUILDINGS? UH, YES. THERE WERE SIGNS THAT, UH, APPEARED, UH, A FEW MONTHS AGO ON THE PROPERTY. DURING THE SITE VISIT? YES. DO YOU KNOW IF THEY IMPLEMENTED ANYTHING RELATED TO PARKING DECAL SYSTEM WHICH YOU GUYS HAD RECOMMENDED FOR EMPLOYEES, TENANTS OR VISITORS? UH, NO. YOU, DID YOU SEE ANY, DID THEY MENTION ANY DECAL? UH, I'M SORRY. NO, I DID NOT SEE ANYTHING. AND THEY DIDN'T MENTION ANY? NO, IT WAS NOT MENTIONED TO ME AS FAR AS WHAT WAS IN THEIR LEASE LEASE AGREEMENT. DID THEY PRESENT TO YOU ANY TYPE OF, I'M SORRY. DID THEY PRESENT TO YOU ANY KINDA LOG OF, HEY, WE KEEP TRACK OF THE VEHICLES ASSOCIATED WITH EACH TENANT? NO. OKAY. AND LIGHTS, YOU HAD MENTIONED, YOU'D SHOWED US PICTURES. NO, NO. FLASH ON YOUR, YOU REMEMBER SOMETIMES, UM, DO YOU RECCON, WERE THERE LIGHTS OUT OR JUST LIGHTS NOT EVEN AVAILABLE, LIKE NO LIGHT POLES OR WHATEVER. THERE WERE SOME WHERE LIGHTS WERE OUT AND, UH, THERE WAS SOME WHERE THERE WASN'T ANY FIXTURE FOR LIGHTING. DID YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK TO THE MAINTENANCE TEAM THERE? OR, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY THAT FIXES THE LIGHTS OR REPAIRS THE LIGHTS? MR. CILLA, YOUR, YOUR TIME IS, I WAS WAITING ON OUR, OUR GIANT JEEP, WHICH SOMEBODY HAS ACTUALLY MANAGED [00:50:01] TO STOP, SO I'M SORRY. I'M JUST OKAY, GOT IT. THANK YOU. SORRY. THANK YOU. UM, DR. JACKSON? NO QUESTIONS DR. JACKSON? NO QUESTIONS. UH, THANK YOU. UH, MR. JEFFERSON? NO QUESTIONS, MS. SMITH? NO QUESTIONS MS. AYALA? NO QUESTIONS MR. SER. THANK YOU. UH, ONE QUESTION REGARDING THE EVIDENCE SUBMITTED BY THE CITY FOR THE PHOTOS TAKEN. WHAT DATES WERE THOSE ROUGHLY? UH, THAT WAS, UH, THOSE PICTURES WERE TAKEN PRIOR TO OUR, UH, INITIATION INTO OUR NEW SYSTEM. UH, WELL, NOT NEW SYSTEM, BUT OUR UNIT IS MOVING FORWARD TO EVIDENCE.COM, WHICH HAS, UH, TIMESTAMPS AND DATES. SO PRIOR TO OUR, UH, TRANSFERRING OUR CASE FILES INTO THAT NEW INTO EVIDENCE.COM. UNFORTUNATELY THOSE WERE TAKEN WITH MY CELL PHONE AND UPLOADED, BUT WE DO HAVE PICTURES FROM EVIDENCE.COM THAT DOES HAVE A, UH, TIMESTAMPING DATE THAT, THAT WAS BEFORE THE DESIGNATION LETTER WAS SENT. THOSE PICTURES WERE, UH, UH, I TOOK SO MANY PICTURES. I'M UNABLE TO STATE GIVE YOU A CORRECT ANSWER ON THAT ONE, SO I DON'T WANT TO. OKAY. UM, I THINK THAT'S IT FOR ME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, DETECTIVE ROBBINS, YOU, YOU, I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. WHEN THE, THE QUESTION WAS, UH, UH, AT THE COURT MEETING, WHY DID YOU DECIDE IT WAS INSUFFICIENT? AND I, I THINK, BUT I, THAT, THAT YOU FOCUSED ON THE SEVERITY OF THE CRIMES? UM, I, I THINK WAS, WAS IS THAT THE, THE MAIN DETERMINANT, I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT I WANT NOT JUST THE SEVERITY OF THE CRIME, BUT ALSO WHAT MEN, WHAT CRIME PREVENTION MEASURES THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THAT COULD HAVE PREVENTED SOME OF THESE CRIMINAL INCIDENTS THAT OCCURRED. AND THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE SPECIFICALLY TALKED ABOUT CAMERAS, SECURITY AND GATES. CORRECT. OKAY. AND LIGHTING AND LIGHT. UM, THE, THE HOMELESS IS, IS THAT ENCAMPMENT ILLEGAL? UH, YE TECHNICALLY ACCORDING TO THE CODE, YEAH. UH, ACCORDING TO CITY CODE, YES, IT IS ILLEGAL TO SLEEP IN PUBLIC. AND WHAT WOULD AN OWNER DO? THE OWNER FOR THIS PARTICULAR, ANY OWNER IN A, ANY OWNER IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS, IF THEY'RE NEXT TO A HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT? UH, YOU, YOU SAID WE DON'T WEAVING, YOU DON'T, DON'T WORK WITH THAT, BUT I, WHO DOES, UH, WE HAVE A UNIT CALLED THE HOT TEAM WORK WITH HOMELESS SOLUTION OF THE CITY OF DALLAS. THEY FORMULATE PLANS TO ELIMINATE SOME OF THE HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS WITHIN THE CITY. UH, AND IF SO, YOUR QUESTION IS WHAT WOULD AN OWNER DO TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING OR TO GET RID OF THAT ISSUE? UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY CAN DO IS HARDEN A TARGET. MAKE IT HARD FOR PEOPLE TO COME ONTO THE PROPERTY FIRST AND FOREMOST, AND LET ALONE SET UP A HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT. SO THAT'S THE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FENCE? IT COULD BE A FENCE, NOT BECAUSE THE, UH, I'M, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE OWNER DOES NOT OWN WHERE THE ENCAMPMENT IS. CORRECT. OKAY. SO I JUST WANT TO, IT DEPENDS ON THE, THE MEASUREMENT IS GONNA DEPEND WHICH OWNER ARE YOU REFERRING TO? THE OWNER OF WHERE THE HOME IS ENCAMPMENT IS LOCATED, OR THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. FAIR ENOUGH. I I MEANT THE OWNER, UH, OF THE, UH, THE APARTMENTS IN THIS CASE. OKAY. YES. NOW THAT'LL BE A DIFFERENT CRIME CRIME PREVENTION MEASUREMENT AS ONE OF THE MAIN FACTORS WOULD BE SOME TYPE OF GATING PROCESS AND SOME TYPE OF MONITORING PROCESS THAT CAN HELP REDUCE HOMELESSNESS FROM COMING ONTO YOUR PROPERTY. CAN THE, YOU YOU MENTIONED, UH, UH, VEGETATION, UH, DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE OWNER HAD THE ABILITY TO CUT THAT STUFF DOWN? I, I SAW THE PICTURE OF IT, BUT I DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHERE IT WAS. WAS IT ON THEIR PROPERTY? WAS IT ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY? UH, SOME OF THAT VISITATION WAS ON, ON, ON THE APARTMENT COMPLEX PROPERTY AS WELL. OKAY. OKAY. FULL STOP. UM, WHAT IS A TRAP HOUSE? WHAT IS A TRAP HOUSE IS A, IS A RESIDENCE OR A APARTMENT OR ANY LOCATION THAT HAD THAT, UH, SELLS NARCOTICS OR OPERATE AS A NARCOTICS OPERATING [00:55:01] SYSTEM. BUT IS IT SOMETHING THAT, THAT YOU, THE POLICE SET UP WHEN YOU SAY SET UP LIKE WE ASSIST WITH EXECUTING SEARCH WARRANTS? I MEAN IT HONEY, IS IT MEANT TO BE A STING? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. SO THERE'S TESTIMONY IN THE, IN, IN THE EVIDENCE THAT, THAT, THAT SAYS IN, IN ONE OF THESE CASES WHERE YES, WHERE, WHERE SOME OF THE VERY SERIOUS STUFF HAPPENS, THE OWNER REACHED OUT TO POLICE YES. AND THE POLICE SAID, HEY, WE, WE'VE GOT A STING, MY WORD STING, UH, HERE, PLEASE DON'T DO ANYTHING. WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING. IT IS, WELL, I, I WOULDN'T TELL, TELL ME HOW THAT WORKS. I WOULDN'T SAY THEY, PLEASE. MY WORDS ARE BASED ON, I CAN'T TESTIFY TO WHAT, WHO THEY SPOKE TO AS FAR AS, UH, WHO INSTRUCTED THEM NOT TO DO ANYTHING. BUT I CAN TESTIFY TO, I RECEIVE, UH, NOTE THAT THEY WERE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT WAS COOPER WAS ASSISTING WITH HANDING THEM INFORMATION TO HELP, UH, HAVE A SMOOTH TRANSITION WITH STAINING THE TRAP HOUSE. SO I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT A SWORN DETECTIVE OFFICER OR ANYONE WITHIN DPD TOLD MANAGEMENT THAT'S NOT TO INITIATE EVICTION PROCEDURES OF THAT OF SUCH. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD IT AS, AS IN FACT IT IS. YES. UM, UH, IF, IF, IF THAT HAPPENED AND THAT'S IN WRITING, WE'LL EITHER, YOU KNOW, UM, OKAY. THAT'S IT. UH, THIS ROUND. UM, OKAY. ROUND TWO, TWO MINUTES. UM, MR. GONZALEZ. OH, I'M, YOU KNOW, UM, UM, I HAVE BEEN ASKED, UH, AND, UH, AND I, I SHOULD HAVE DONE IT EARLIER, IF WE COULD HAVE A, UH, A FIVE MINUTE RECESS. UH, IT'S, UH, 9 42. UH, THE BOARD IS RECESSED UNTIL, UH, 9 47. THANK YOU. UM, OKAY. WE HAVE A QUORUM. IT IS, UH, 9:54 AM AND WE ARE BACK IN SESSION. MR. QUINT, YOUR POINT OF ORDER IS WELL TAKEN. UH, OUR, UH, MEMBER QUESTION CLOCK SHOULD CONTINUE TO RUN AND IT WILL, THANK YOU. UM, TRYING TO REMEMBER, WE WERE JUST BEGINNING THE SECOND, WHICH WAS MR. GONZALEZ, AND WE WILL COME BACK. MS. SHIN, NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR. QUINT. I DO ACTUALLY ASK SOME QUESTIONS FOR DETECTIVE, AND THERE'LL BE JUST SOME BASIC IFS WITH YES OR NO ANSWERS. SO, UM, YOU HAD STATED THAT THERE WERE TWO CAR EXITS AND SEVERAL EXITS WITH DOORS. IF THEY WERE LOCKED, UH, OR, OR GATED, UM, WOULD THAT PREVENT CRIME? YES. IF THEY HAD A SECURITY COMPANY ON THAT WAS, UH, IN THE PARKING LOT, UH, DRIVING AROUND, WOULD THAT STOP CRYING? YES. IF THEY HAD A TOW AGREEMENT, WOULD THAT STOP TRUCK CRYING? YES. IF THEY HAD, UH, PARKING DECALS, WOULD THAT HELP STOP CRYING? THAT, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A YES OR NO ANSWER. IF YOU ALLOW ME TO EXPLAIN, I CAN EXPLAIN REAL QUICK WITHOUT TAKING UP ALL YOUR TIME. NO, IT'S OKAY. THAT IT'S, THAT'S, WE WILL MOVE ON FROM THAT. OKAY. IF THERE WAS A LOT BETTER LIGHTING, WOULD THAT HELP PREVENT CRIME? YES. SO IN ESSENCE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY TOOK NECESSARY STEPS TO ABATE CRIME? NO, THAT'S IT. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. MR. QUINT. UH, MR. CRON? NO QUESTIONS. VICE CHAIR ILLA. THERE WE GO. A FEW QUESTIONS AGAIN TO FOLLOW UP. UM, YOU HAD MENTIONED ON THE LIGHTS, I THINK YOU HAD ANSWERED, OR I GUESS ON THE LIGHTS WAS, UH, THE LIGHTS THAT YOU NOTICED THEY WERE, SOME OF THE BULBS WERE BROKEN AND NOT BEEN REPAIRED. IS THAT WHAT YOU HAD TESTIFIED EARLIER? COMBINATION OF BOTH. IT WAS DARK AREAS THAT DIDN'T HAVE LIGHT FIXTURES AND SOME LIGHTS WERE OUT. AND I THINK YOU COVERED CONTROL ACCESS WITH, UM, BOARD MEMBER QUINT. SO I'LL SKIP THAT. MY OTHER QUESTION IS, DO YOU KNOW HOW THE MONTHLY FEE IS USED THAT THE PROPERTY [01:00:01] OWNER WOULD PAY OVER THE, UH, ANNUAL PERIOD? NO, SIR. OKAY. DID YOU GET ANY KIND OF INFORMATION RELATED TO RENT ROLLS OR PERCENTAGE OF, OF, UH, OCCUPANCY OF THIS LOCATION? NO, SIR. AND YOU, SO YOU, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE CAPACITY OF THIS APARTMENT IS? UH, NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, SIR. OKAY. UM, DO YOU KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER, UH, DEPARTMENTS THAT CHECKED OUT THIS LOCATED, LIKE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? SOMETIMES WE HAVE, UH, DIFFERENT VIOLATIONS. DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT LIKE FIRE, UH, CODE ISSUES? I'M AWARE OF THE CODE INVESTIGATION ON THE PROPERTY. OKAY. AND IN REGARD TO WHEN YOU WORKED, UM, IN THIS AREA, YOU HAD SAID THAT THIS, WOULD THIS BEEN A PART, THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX, WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN A PART OF YOUR PATROL? YES. AND WHAT WAS YOUR EXPERIENCE PRIOR TO GETTING INTO NUISANCE ABATEMENT WITH THIS PARTICULAR APARTMENT COMPLEX? I JUST ANSWERING THE NINE ONE ONE CALL REGARDING THINGS THAT'S GOING ON INSIDE THE APARTMENT OR MAYBE, UH, SOME CRIMINAL DAMAGE TO A VEHICLE THAT OCCURRED IN THE PARKING LOT. DID YOU FIND THIS A CRIMINAL RIDDEN AREA WHILE IN PATROL THE AREA? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. MY TIME'S UP. THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR. COULD SHE A DR. JACKSON? UM, I JUST WANNA, UM, FOLLOW UP AND, AND CONFIRM SINCE MARCH, YOU HAVE NOT SEEN ANY IMPROVEMENT IN, UH, ACTIVE SECURITY OR SECURITY CAMERAS. ARE ANY KINDA, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER TAKING ANY KIND OF IMPROVEMENTS? THAT IS CORRECT, MA'AM. DR. JACKSON? I PASS. THANK YOU. OH, THANK YOU MR. GONZALEZ. UH, DETECTIVE, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS OF THOSE, UH, 12 AVAILABLE OFFENSES THAT WERE BETWEEN FEBRUARY 25 AND 26, DO YOU HAVE ANY, UM, IDEA HOW MANY WERE FROM PEOPLE WHO WERE EITHER TENANTS OR GUESTS OF THOSE TENANTS AND HOW MANY WERE FROM LIKE, MAYBE THE HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT OR PEOPLE WHO JUST WALKED ONTO THE PROPERTY? I KNOW IT'S A COMBINATION. I CAN'T GIVE YOU A HARD, HARD NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WITHOUT REVIEWING THE REPORTS, BUT IT'S A COMBINATION OF BOTH TENANTS AND PEOPLE COMING ONTO THE PROPERTY. OKAY, THANK YOU. LET'S SEE. WE HAD DR. JANET, MR. JEFFERSON, I NO QUESTIONS MS. SMITH, I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, EARLY ON, YOU SAID THAT THERE WERE A TOTAL OF OVER 700 CALLS. WHAT WAS THE TIMEFRAME FOR THAT AGAIN? SEVEN. I'M SORRY. YOU SAID THERE WERE A TOTAL OF 700 CALLS OVER OVER 700 CALLS. UM, I KNOW YOU SAID THERE WERE 190, UM, SINCE THE TIME THAT YOU TOOK OVER THE CASE, BUT I THINK SINCE 2025 THERE'S BEEN OVER 700 CALLS, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, NO. THAT, THAT'S INCORRECT, MA'AM. IT'S 190, APPROXIMATELY 190 IN A YEAR SPAN AND DATING BACK THREE YEARS. IT'S, UH, CLOSE TO 500. OH, OKAY. I'M SORRY. CLOSE TO 500 IN THE THREE YEARS. OKAY. THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, WE ARE AT, UH, MS. AYALA. NO QUESTIONS MR. SACKER? NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. OKAY. ME. UM, DO YOU THINK THAT THE VERY FACT THAT CRIME CONTINUES IS PROOF IN AND OF ITSELF THAT, UH, THAT THE, UH, THE OWNER IS NOT ABATING? I THINK YOU GOTTA LOOK AT THE TYPE OF CRIME THAT CONTINUES TO OCCUR AND TAKE IT FROM THERE AND, AND SEE WHAT THE OWNER IS DOING TO HELP ELIMINATE SOME OF THE CRIME ISSUES. SO IT'S NOT THE FACT THAT CRIME ITSELF PRIMA FA, THAT MAKES THAT DECISION. IT'S, IT'S A HUGE FACTOR, BUT IT'S ALSO, YOU ALSO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE AREA, THE PROPERTY IS ON, BUT ALSO WHAT IS THE IMPLEMENT ON THE PROPERTY TO HELP DS. SO YOU'D ADJUST FOR THE REAL WORLD. I'M [01:05:01] SORRY, WHAT'D YOU SAY? YOU'D ADJUST FOR THE REAL WORLD, BUT EXACTLY. YES. UM, WHERE'D IT GO? UM, DID DPD DIRECT THE OWNER, UH, OR THE SECURITY CONTRACTOR TO STAND DOWN OR DEFER ACTION PENDING AN INVESTIGATION, PARTICULARLY UNIT 5 0 3? AND WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE OWNER'S JUNE 16 DRUG COMPLAINT ON THAT SAME UNIT? UH, FROM MY INVESTIGATION, UH, THAT WAS A, AGAIN, A TRAP HOUSE IS SOMETHING IS NOT SET UP BY DPD, THAT'S SOMETHING SET UP BY PEOPLE, UH, CRIMINALS SELLING DRUGS OUTTA THE LOCATION. THAT'S HOW WE DETERMINE A TRAP HOUSE AND WE INVESTIGATED. AND THE SAME TERM FOR THAT IS A TRAP HOUSE. SO, UH, WITH THAT, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING, I THOUGHT A TRAP HOUSE WAS SET UP BY LAW ENFORCEMENT. NO, IT'S NOT SET UP BY LAW ENFORCEMENT AT ALL. OKAY. SORRY. NO, WE DON'T TRAP HOUSE. WE DON'T TRAP OUT THE HOUSE. GOTTA ADMIT IT. SO, OKAY. , SO, I'M SORRY. OKAY. THOSE ARE A TRAP. YEAH. SO, ALRIGHT. IT'S A OPERATION, IT'S A CRIMINAL OPERATION. OKAY. BY CRIMINALS UTILIZED. SO THE, THE, THE, OH, WELL MY TIME'S UP. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, OKAY. THANK YOU DETECTIVE. UM, UH, WHAT ARE WE, HOW ARE WE ON TIME? UH, FOR THE APPELLANT. I CAN'T REMEMBER IF YOU'LL PUT, IF YOU'LL PUT HIS TIME UP, UM, 13 MINUTES, WHATEVER IT IS, YOU, UH, YOU MAY PRESENT. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU. WE CALL, UM, MS. BRACKS AS OUR WITNESS. UH, MS. BRAX, WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THE BOARD? SAMMY BRAX, DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS FOR ALPHA OMEGA PROPERTY MANAGEMENT. AND ALPHA OMEGA PROPERTY MANAGEMENT IS THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY FOR THIS PROPERTY. IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT. CORRECT. OH, HOW LONG HAVE YOU MANAGED THIS PROPERTY? SINCE 2018. AND WHERE DO YOU LIVE ON THIS PROPERTY? AND DO OTHER PEOPLE ON YOUR TEAM ALSO LIVE AT THIS PROPERTY? YES, WE HAVE MANAGEMENT AND MAINTENANCE THAT LIVE ON THE PROPERTY. OKAY. AND WE'VE SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD OUR BINDER, WHICH IS THE SAME, UM, SET OF EVIDENCE THAT WE SUBMITTED AT THE ACCORD MEETING, WHICH HAS THE, UM, TENANT FILES RELATED TO EACH ONE OF THE 12 AVAILABLE OFFENSES. WE UNFORTUNATELY DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM, BUT WE DID WANT TO TOUCH ON SOME OF THESE, UM, SITUATIONS TO PROVIDE FURTHER CLARITY AS TO THE PROPERTY OWNER'S EFFORTS HERE. SO THE, THE FIRST, UH, AVAILABLE OFFENSE OCCURRED ON APRIL 1ST, 2025. THAT IS IN RELATION TO UNIT THREE 19 AT THE PROPERTY. MS. BRACKS, WOULD YOU EXPLAIN TO THE BOARD, UH, KIND OF THE HISTORY WITH THAT TENANT AND THE EFFORTS TO HAVE HER REMOVED? SO WHEN A RESIDENT IS NOT ABIDING BY THE LEASE OR THE COMMUNITY POLICIES, IN ORDER TO GAIN AN EVICTION ON THEM, WE HAVE TO HAVE LEGAL REASON AND EVIDENCE. SO YOU EITHER HAVE TO HAVE PROOF WITH POLICE REPORTS, UNPAID RENT, YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT THEY HAVEN'T PAID THEIR RENT. UM, YOU CAN'T JUST WILLY-NILLY GO IN AND SAY, I THINK SOMETHING IS GOING ON THERE AND I NEED THIS TENANT OUT. YOU HAVE TO HAVE VALID INFORMATION TO PROVIDE TO THEM. SO WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY, BUT SHE WAS IN THE EVICTION PROCESS BECAUSE WE KNOW SHE WAS A PROBLEM. SHE WAS HAVING NEIGHBOR, WE FRIENDS OF HERS COME OVER THAT WE DID NOT WANT THERE. AND I BELIEVE THAT DURING THE TIME THAT YOU DID HAVE SECURITY OF THE PROPERTY, THE SECURITY ACTUALLY INTERACTED WITH HER AS WELL, IS THAT RIGHT? THEY DID. OKAY. UM, AND LOOKING AT THE SECURITY, WHICH HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP IN THIS HEARING, DID THE PROPERTY HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE SECURITY COMPANY FOR A PERIOD OF TIME? WE DID FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. BUT IT BECAME UNSUSTAINABLE. UNSUSTAINABLE FROM A MONETARY PERSPECTIVE? CORRECT. OKAY. AND IN, AS SOMEONE WHO ALSO LIVES AT THE PROPERTY, BUT ALSO MANAGES THE PROPERTY, DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION AS TO WHETHER THE PRESENCE OF THE SECURITY ACTUALLY HELPED OR HURT THE CRIME THAT OCCURRED ON THE PROPERTY? IN MY EXPERIENCE WITH ESPECIALLY THIS SITUATION, SECURITY WOULD MAKE CONTACT. YOU CAN'T DETAIN THEM FOR SO LONG BECAUSE IT'S CONSIDERED KIDNAPPING. SO WHENEVER THEY WOULD INTERACT WITH THESE PEOPLE, IF IT NEEDED THE POLICE SITUATION, THEY WOULD CALL THE POLICE, AND POLICE JUST WERE NOT RESPONDING. IN OTHER SITUATIONS, THEY COULD WALK THEM OFF THE PROPERTY [01:10:01] AND THEY WOULD WALK BACK ON, AND THERE ARE MULTIPLE WAYS TO GET TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY BEHIND WHERE THAT ENCAMPMENT IS. AND SO FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, HAVING THE SECURITY PERSONNEL THERE, BUT THEM NOT ABLE TO ACTUALLY ENFORCE OR PREVENT CRIMINALS FROM ACCESSING THE PROPERTY, IT ACTUALLY POTENTIALLY EMPOWERED THE CRIMINALS FURTHER IT DID BECAUSE THEY KNEW THAT THE POLICE WEREN'T GONNA SHOW UP TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. SO ONE WOULD BE OFFENDED BY THE SECURITY COMPANY, THEN HE'D BRING HIS FRIEND AND YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING. AND IT WAS AN ONGOING BATTLE. AND I BELIEVE THE RESIDENT IN UNIT 13 WAS ALSO ON A HOUSING VOTE. SHE, SHE WAS A HOUSING VOUCHER RECIPIENT. CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO THE BOARD SOME OF THE RED TAPE THAT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH IN EVICTING CERTAIN TENANTS? SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO EVICT SOMEONE WHO'S ON A VOUCHER PROGRAM, IF IT'S FOR NON RENT, THEN THE THIRD PARTY, THE HOUSING WOULD HAVE TO BE DELINQUENT IN THEIR RENT AS WELL, OR THEY WOULD HAVE TO CEASE PAYING FOR THAT RESIDENCE'S RENT. SO IT'S, IT'S A DIFFICULT SITUATION, SO YOU HAVE TO FIRST TRY TO GET THEM RELOCATED IF THEY'RE NOT A GOOD FIT FOR YOUR PROPERTY, OR YOU HAVE TO GET OTHER EVIDENCE TO GET THEM OUT BY OTHER MEANS. AND IN LOOKING AT NEARLY ALL OF THESE INCIDENTS THAT AT LEAST WERE TENANTS, MANY OF THEM WERE, WERE NOT TENANTS OR SEEMINGLY NOT RELATED TO THE PROPERTY, BUT OF THE ONES THAT, UM, WERE TENANTS ON THE PROPERTY. IN REVIEWING OUR RECORDS, DO YOU AGREE THAT NEARLY ALL OF THESE WERE EITHER IN THE EVICTION PROCESS OR WERE EVICTED SHORTLY AFTER THE INCIDENT OCCURRED? I DO AGREE. AND AT THE ACCORD MEETING, WHEN WE MET WITH, UM, DETECTIVE AND CITY'S ATTORNEYS, DO YOU RECALL THAT WE IDENTIFIED A POTENTIAL AVENUE TO ASSIST, WHICH IS IF WE COULD BE IN INFORMED OF WHEN OUR TENANTS ARE CHARGED WITH A CRIME THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN EVICTION QUICKER. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? CORRECT. HAS THAT HAPPENED? NO. DOES THE PROPERTY PERFORM BACKGROUND CHECKS ON ITS TENANTS? WE DO AT MOVE IN AND ON RENEWAL, BUT IF A TENANT IS CHARGED WITH A CRIME BETWEEN LEASE EXECUTION AND RENEWAL, THERE'S NO WAY FOR THE PROPERTY TO BECOME AWARE OF THAT UNLESS THEY'RE NOTIFIED OF THAT SITUATION OR THAT ESCALATION BY DPD. IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT. AND IN LOOKING AT THE LEASES, WHICH HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP IN SEVERAL OF THE QUESTIONS, UM, DOES THE PROPERTY HAVE A, UM, CRIME ADDENDUM AND RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR THE PROPERTY? YES, WE DO. OKAY. AND THOSE HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED SINCE 2018, IS THAT RIGHT? SINCE TAKEOVER? CORRECT. UM, AND ALSO WHAT ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS, UM, THE TOWING ON THE PROPERTY. DO YOU, DOES THE PROPERTY MAINTAIN A TOWING AGREEMENT? WE ABSOLUTELY DO. AND YOU HAVE TO REGISTER AS A RESIDENT TO PARK YOUR VEHICLE, WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE CURRENT INSURANCE AND REGISTRATION. AND THEN VISITORS HAVE SPECIFIC PLACES TO PARK, AND THEY ALSO HAVE TO REGISTER AND PAY TO PARK AS A VISITOR ON THE PROPERTY. AND IF THEY ARE NOT REGISTERED, THEY ARE TOWED. AND THAT TOWING AGREEMENT HAS BEEN IN PLACE LONG BEFORE THIS DESIGNATION PROCESS COMMENCES, IS THAT RIGHT? SINCE TAKEOVER IN 2018? CORRECT. AND SAME WITH THE PARKING DECALS THAT'S BEEN IMPLEMENTED SINCE 2018? THERE ARE NO DECALS. OKAY. BECAUSE IT'S ALL DONE DIGITALLY. THEY, UM, THEY RUN THE PLATE OF THE VEHICLE TO SEE WHO IT'S REGISTERED TO, IF IT'S A VISITOR, WHAT APARTMENT IT'S REGISTERED TO. AND I BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS A, OR IS THERE AN ANNUAL CITY INSPECTION THAT OCCURS AT THE PROPERTY? CORRECT. WHEN WAS THE LAST CITY INSPECTION? I BELIEVE IT WAS 2025. OKAY. AND HAVE YOU RECEIVED THE REPORT FROM THAT CITY INSPECTION TO SHOW WHAT, IF ANY, CODE VIOLATIONS OR OTHER ISSUES EXIST ON THE PROPERTY? WE HAD NOT. THE PROPERTY MANAGER RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM THAT DEPARTMENT STATING THAT THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH SOMETHING ON THEIR END, AND SHE WOULD GET IT TO HIM WHENEVER THAT REM THAT WAS REMEDIED. AND WE, TO DATE, HAVE NOT RECEIVED IT. DOES YOUR OFFICE OFTEN CALL 9 1 1 OR THE NON-EMERGENCY LINE, UM, IF YOU SEE OR ARE CONCERNED ABOUT CRIME OCCURRING ON THE PROPERTY? YES, WE DO. AND WE ENCOURAGE OUR RESIDENTS TOO AS WELL. AND I BELIEVE MOST RECENTLY, PROBABLY THE JULY 4TH, THERE WAS A SITUATION WITH FIREWORKS. IS THAT RIGHT? IT WAS ACTUALLY AFTER JULY 4TH. I BELIEVE IT WAS MONDAY NIGHT. I PERSONALLY CALLED AT AROUND 11:00 PM SAID THAT THESE PEOPLE WERE SHOOTING THE LARGER FIREWORKS OFF AND THEY WERE AIMING IT AT A LARGE TREE IN THE BUSINESS COMPLEX NEXT TO US. [01:15:01] I STOOD IN MY WINDOW, THERE WERE FIVE OF THEM. ONE OF ME, I'M NOT A DAFT WOMAN, I'M NOT GOING TO GO BY MYSELF AGAIN, I CALLED POLICE AND POLICE DROVE DOWN THE STREET ON FOREST, DROVE INTO THE ADJACENT COMMUNITY AND THEN THROUGH THE BUSINESS CENTER. WELL, THEY WERE SEEN, I SAW THEM FROM A WINDOW IN THE SECOND BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY. THEY NEVER MADE CONTACT. THERE WAS ONLY ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE IN THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE I ALSO HAD AN ASSISTANT MANAGER WHO WAS LOOKING ON THE OTHER SIDE TO MAKE SURE POLICE DON'T GET CONFUSED THAT THEY CAN REACH OUT TO WHO IS CAUSING, WHEN THE POLICE DROVE OFF, THEY STARTED SHOOTING THEIR FIREWORKS AGAIN. AND I'M GONNA BOUNCE AROUND QUICKLY HERE TO MAKE SURE WE STAY COMPLIANT WITH OUR TIME. ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP IS A HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT NEAR THEIR PROPERTY. I ASSUME YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT? VERY. OKAY. AND IS FOR, FOR THE BOARD'S CLARITY SAKE, THE ENCAMPMENT IS NOT ON PROPERTY OWNED BY, UM, THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY, IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT. WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING OR WHO TO YOUR UNDERSTANDING OWNS THAT PROPERTY? I CANNOT GET A CLEAR A ANSWER TO THAT. OKAY. IS IT POTENTIALLY OWNED BY DALLAS COUNTY? POTENTIALLY, YES. OKAY. AND I BELIEVE THAT ENCAMPMENT HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE ON AND OFF SINCE 2024. IS THAT RIGHT? 2024 IS WHEN WE REALLY STARTED HAVING PROBLEMS WITH IT. WE PUT IN THE 3 1 1 REQUEST. WE SPOKE TO DPD AND WE EVENTUALLY HAD TO GET OUR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT INVOLVED WHO GOT THE CITY COUNCIL INVOLVED. AND MIRACULOUSLY THEY WERE ABLE TO FIND THIS ENCAMPMENT THAT WAS GIVING US ISSUE. THEY CAME IN AND THEY HAD THEIR HOMELESS TEAM TALK TO THE PEOPLE. THEY CLEANED THE TRASH OUT, BUT NOTHING WAS DONE FURTHER THAN THAT BY THE CITY OR DED. OKAY. AND IT'S NOT ON OUR PROPERTY, SO WE CANNOT LEGALLY GO IN AND FENCE AROUND THAT PROPERTY OR REMOVE THE PEOPLE OR DO ANYTHING ELSE. WE NEED TO RELY ON EITHER THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE CITY TO ASSIST WITH THAT. IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING? THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. HOWEVER, WE, THERE IS A CREEK IN BETWEEN WHERE THAT ENCAMPMENT IS AND OUR PROPERTY, I DID GET BIDS BECAUSE WE WANT THE, AND THAT ENCAMPMENT DOESN'T JUST AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY. I, I NEEDED HELP TO GET THAT LAND CLEARED. IF THEY HAVE NOTHING TO BUILD UPON, THEN THEY WON'T MAKE AN ENCAMPMENT BACK THERE. I CAN'T GET RESPONSE. I CAN'T GET COOPERATION TO JUST TAKE THE TREES AWAY. OKAY. AND ONE OF THE IDEAS WAS TO PUT UP A FENCE IS BECAUSE OF THE, THE CREEK LOCATION IS PUTTING UP A FENCE THROUGH THE CREEK A VIABLE OPTION? NOT THAT WE'VE FOUND. UM, SPEAKING TO THE FENCE, I BELIEVE THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP. DOES THE PROPERTY OWN ALL OF THE FENCE THAT, UM, SURROUNDS THE PROPERTY? NO. WHO OWNS THE FENCE ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE? ON THE EAST SIDE, I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE THE NORTH STAR COMMUNITY ON THE WEST SIDE WOULD BE THE, UM, THE BUSINESS CENTER THAT'S RIGHT THERE. OKAY. SO ON BOTH EAST AND THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THE FENCING, IF IN ANY SORT OF DISREPAIR, THAT IS NOT A FENCE THAT IS OWNED BY US, IS THAT RIGHT? IT IS NOT. OKAY. AND THE DRIVING GATES, WE SAW PICTURES EARLIER THAT THE DRIVING GATES WERE EITHER OPEN OR NON-EXISTENT. MM-HMM . CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO THE BOARD WHY THOSE GATES ARE EITHER OPEN OR NON-EXISTENT? AT ONE POINT WE HAD PAID A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY TO GET CLOSURE ON THOSE, AND FAT ACTORS DECIDED THEY WERE GOING TO CUT THE CHAIN OR RAM THROUGH IT. AND IT'S NOT FEASIBLE TO HAVE TO SPEND FIVE TO $10,000 A MONTH ON A GATE WHEN SOMEONE'S GOING TO BREAK IT. AND WHEN THE CITY ATTORNEY CAME OUT, THEY TOLD US THAT WE COULDN'T LEAVE IT IN THE OPEN POSITION, THAT THE, THE, UH, PART OF THE GATE THAT IS ON THE TRACK HAD TO BE REMOVED. OKAY. SO THE, THE PORTION THAT USED TO CLO CLOSE MM-HMM . VIA MO, UH, MOTOR MM-HMM . WAS REMOVED AT THE INSTRUCTION OF THE CITY? CORRECT. OKAY. I, THE ONLY OTHER THING I'LL BRING UP QUICKLY IS THE, UM, LIGHTING ON THE PROPERTY. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS USUALLY ADDRESSED BY CODE ENFORCEMENT? THEY GENERALLY DON'T HAVE TO, SINCE THERE ARE AT LEAST FOUR OF US THAT LIVE ON PROPERTY. IF WE SEE A LIGHT OUT, WE'LL REPAIR IT AND WE'RE GOING FROM THE OLDER MODEL TO A NEWER, UM, LED LIGHT. AND THAT TRANSITION FROM THE OLDER LIGHT TO LED LIGHT IS IN PROGRESS AND HAS BEEN IN PROGRESS LONG BEFORE THIS DESIGNATION OCCURRED? YES. OKAY. I'M OUT OF TIME. DO YOU HAVE CROSS-EXAMINATION? UH, NO QUESTIONS. MR. CHAIR. [01:20:01] THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? UH, MR. GONZALEZ, CAN YOU COME BACK TO ME? I'M FORMULATING MY QUESTION ABSOLUTELY, BUT I DO HAVE ONE . UM, LET'S SEE IF I CAN DO THIS. UM, UH, IT'S NOT MR. QUINT, WHO'S NEXT? MS. SHIN, FREQUENTLY. THANK YOU. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. MS. BRAX, UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. UM, MULTIPLE TIMES DURING YOUR TESTIMONY YOU REFERENCED MULTIPLE EVICTIONS. CAN YOU GIVE US AN ESTIMATE OR SPECIFIC NUMBER AS TO HOW MANY EVICTIONS YOU WERE, UM, IN PROCESS OF TRYING TO COMPLETE? I UNDERSTAND IT'S A LONG PROCESS, SO I KNOW IT'S NOT ALWAYS, YOU AREN'T ABLE TO ALWAYS GET TO A FINAL EVICTION, BUT HOW MANY WOULD YOU SAY IN THIS YEAR PROCESS? FROM FEBRUARY TO FEBRUARY IACTUALLY, WE AVERAGE ABOUT 11 PER MONTH. 11 PER MONTH, OKAY. AND THEN, UM, YOU SAID THAT THERE IS TOWING. UM, DID YOU I DIDN'T SEE IT. UM, SO IF IT'S IN THE EVIDENCE, CAN YOU POINT ME TO WHERE THE TOWING AGREEMENT IS? THE, THE TOWING, THE ACTUAL TOWING AGREEMENT IS NOT INCLUDED IN OUR BINDER. OKAY. ARE THEY THE COMPANY THEN THAT, UM, SCANS THE LICENSE PLATES THAT YOU MENTIONED? YES, MA'AM. UM, AND THEN HOW OFTEN DO THEY ACTUALLY TOW VEHICLES? WE ASK THEM TO TOW VEHICLES 24 7. BUT DURING BUSINESS HOURS, BECAUSE THERE ARE HOME HEALTH AIDES, THERE ARE DELIVERY SERVICES. SO GENERALLY THEY'LL GET THERE AROUND FOUR 30 IN THE EVENING AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO TOW UNTIL WE OPEN THE NEXT MORNING AT NINE. OKAY. OKAY. THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. GONZALEZ. THANK YOU. SORRY, I WAS WRITING MY NOTE. I LIKE TO WRITE MY MY QUESTIONS OUT SO I DON'T MISS SOMETHING. UM, SO YOU MADE A, A A COMMENT EARLIER ABOUT THE, UH, GATES BEING, UM, NOT FEASIBLE TO BEING REPLACED 'CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE BROKEN. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THE HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT OR, OR PEOPLE COMING OFF PROPERTY, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY YOUR FAULT. YOU CAN'T CONTROL, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON THAT'S NOT ON YOUR PROPERTY, BUT HOW ARE, OR WHAT ACTIONS ARE YOU TAKING TO SECURE THE PROPERTY TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PEOPLE AREN'T COMING ONTO THE PROPERTY AND CAUSING DAMAGE? WE DO HAVE THOSE FLOCK SAFETY CAMERAS, AND THEY DO READ LICENSE PLATES AND THEY READ INDIVIDUALS. SO IF A RESIDENT REPORTS, I HAVE A LADY IN A RED SHIRT, UM, BLUE SHORTS, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, STRANGE. WE CAN GET ON THE FLOCK CAMERA. YEAH. AND IF WE HAVE TO CALL THE POLICE, SHE COULD BE JUST WALKING THROUGH TO VISIT SOMEONE. WE DO HAVE A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC AND WE CAN'T. YEAH. SO I GUESS MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT THERE ARE, ARE PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY WALKING ONTO YOUR PROPERTY, COMMITTING CRIME. A FLOCK CAMERA IS NOT GONNA STOP THEM FROM COMMITTING A CRIME OR AN INCIDENT HAPPENING RIGHT THEN. SO IS THERE ANY TYPE OF ACTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TAKEN WHEN IT COMES TO GATES, SECURING THE PROPERTY, SECURING THE FENCING, ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT, UH, WE CAN POINT TO? I'VE BEEN DOING THIS OVER 25 YEARS, AND I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT THE GATES PEDESTRIAN OR DRIVE THROUGH DON'T NECESSARILY KEEP CRIME OFF YOUR PROPERTY. WHAT IT DOES DO IS IT, IT MAKES IT HARDER FOR YOUR DFR FOR YOUR POLICE AND FOR OTHER AGENCIES TO MAKE ENTRY BECAUSE THEY COME IN WITH A CLICKER. A CRIMINAL IS GONNA WAIT FOR A CAR TO GO THROUGH IF HE'S IN A VEHICLE AND HE'S GOING TO FOLLOW THAT VEHICLE. PEDESTRIAN, IF IT'S A PUSH BUTTON GATE, THEY'RE GONNA WAIT FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO GO IN. BE FRIENDLY WITH WHOEVER'S DOING IT. I'M IN UNIT 1 0 5, CAN YOU LET ME IN SO I DON'T HAVE TO PUSH THE BUTTON AGAIN? YEAH. SO IN THAT CASE, BECAUSE PEOPLE DO, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH THE GATES, I I'VE DONE UBER, UH, , RIGHT. BUT, YOU KNOW, UH, FOOD DELIVERY, WHATEVER, UH, I'VE DONE THAT MYSELF. HOWEVER, WHAT KIND OF ACTIONS ARE YOU TAKING TO PREVENT EVEN THAT? IS THERE ANY TYPE OF SECURITY ON SITE, ADDITIONAL SECURITY? I MEAN, I'M JUST, I'M LOOKING FOR ANY TYPE OF, OF ACTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TAKEN, MAYBE YOU CAN SHOVE LINE ON THAT PREVENTS PEOPLE FROM COMING IN, EVEN IF IT'S A, A FENCE, IF IT'S A EXTRA SECURITY. I MEAN, WHAT ANY TYPE OF ACTIONS, HOW DO YOU KNOW WHO YOU SHOULD AND SHOULDN'T LET IN IF THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WHEN THEY WALK THROUGH? SO WE HAVE CREATED A SENSE OF COMMUNITY WHERE OUR RESIDENTS HAVE THE RIGHT TO, AND WE HAVE A TEXT MESSAGING PORTAL. YOU CAN TEXT THE OFFICE AND WE HAVE ACCESS TO THAT 24 7. NOW, IF IT'S TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND I'M ASLEEP, I'M PROBABLY NOT GONNA ANSWER IT, NOR IS MY MANAGER OR MY LEASING. BUT EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO NOTIFY ALL OF US THAT WE CAN NOTIFY EACH OTHER WHEN THINGS ARE GOING ON. CRIME [01:25:01] DOESN'T LET YOU KNOW AHEAD OF TIME THAT IT'S HAPPENING. THANK, THANK YOU. YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND FINISH ANSWERING HIS QUESTION IF YOU I'M OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, MR. QUINT, THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, THANK YOU MS. BRAX FOR BEING HERE TODAY. THANK YOU. UM, SO JUST A FEW THOUGHTS THAT COME TO MIND. WHY ARE THERE NO WORKING CAMERAS ON THE PROPERTY? THERE WEREN'T WHEN WE TOOK OVER AND WE JUST, BUT WE DO HAVE THE FLOCK CAMERAS THAT ARE AT THE ENTRY AND THE EXIT AND ON THE COMMUNITY. IT'S JUST A BIG U-SHAPED DRIVE. MA'AM, WHY ARE THERE NO WORKING CAMERAS ON THE PROPERTY? I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE PLOP CAMERA. WE HAVEN'T, I'M SO SORRY. WE HAVEN'T FOUND AN ABSOLUTE NEED AND IT WOULD BE AN UNJUST, AN UNDUE COST AT THIS JUNCTURE. SO INSTEAD OF HAVING PROTECTION ON THE PROPERTY, SO TO SPEAK, THOSE CAMERAS DO DETER CRIME. YOU'VE CHOSEN TO SAY, WELL, WE JUST CAN'T AFFORD IT. UM, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT GATES DON'T STOP CRYING. WELL, IF GATES ARE CLOSED AND SOMEONE HAS TO HAVE, UH, ACCESS TO IT, THAT CERTAINLY, UH, TAKES AWAY THE PROPERTY BEING A SIEVE FOR JUST LETTING ANYBODY IN. SO HOW DO YOU CLAIM THAT GATES DON'T STOP CRYING? BECAUSE A CRIMINAL IS GONNA WAIT UNTIL SOMEONE WHO DOES HAVE ACCESS TO THE COMMUNITY TO GO IN AND DRIVE IN PAST THEM, OR A PEDESTRIAN WOULD WALK IN BEHIND SOMEONE? IN A LOT OF WAYS THAT'S JUST CONJECTURE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, WATCHING IT, SO TO SPEAK. UM, LET'S SEE. UM, THERE HAD BEEN MENTION OF THAT, UM, UNRESPONSIVE CALLS, AND THIS MAY BE MORE FOR YOUR ATTORNEY, UNRESPONSIVE CALLS, UM, ESCALATES CRIME. AND I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU CAN EQUATE THE TWO TOGETHER BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES CRIMINALS DON'T KNOW THEIR, THEIR, THE, THE POLICE HAVE BEEN CALLED. SO CAN SOMEONE ELABORATE ON HOW THAT WORKS? AM AM I ALLOWED I TO, UM, I, I BELIEVE I'M THE ONE THAT BROUGHT THAT UP. AND, AND THE THINKING IS, IS THAT WE HAVE THE, AND THIS, THIS IS BASED ON THE RECORDS FROM THE CITY 547 SERVICE CALLS, PEOPLE CALLING DPD ASKING FOR HELP. AND ONLY IN A ROUGHLY HALF OF THOSE WERE CATEGORICALLY UNRESPONDED TO IF, IF I'M A CRIMINAL. RIGHT. I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT HOW DOES A CRIMINAL KNOW? THE POLICE WERE CALLED. THEY KNOW THAT THE POLICE AREN'T SHOWING UP IS WHAT THEY KNOW. RIGHT. THEY, THEY MAY NOT KNOW THAT THE POLICE WERE CALLED AND AND SOMEONE MAY SAY, I'M CALLING THE POLICE, RIGHT? THERE MAY BE A LADY ON HER BALCONY THAT SEES FIREWORKS AND YELLS DOWN AND SAYS, I'M CALLING THE POLICE. AND IF THEY KNOW, THEY'RE LIKE, OKAY, GREAT. THEY'RE NOT GONNA SHOW UP. IF I'M A CRIMINAL, I'M NOT GONNA BE WELL AT THE END OF THE DAY, AT THE END OF THE DAY. THAT'S, THAT'S MORE CONJECTURE THAN FACT. UM, AND I, I CAN'T, I, IT DOESN'T EQUATE ONE TO THE OTHER. I I I THINK IT'S, I MEAN, WE'RE ALL LOOKING AT FACTORS HERE SAYING THAT THERE'S A TOWING AGREEMENT IS AND SAYING THAT'S GONNA PREVENT CRIME. IT'S ALSO CONJECTURE. RIGHT. WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING EDUCATED GUESSES AS TO WHAT HISTORICALLY HAS WORKED OR NOT WORKED. I WOULD CERTAINLY SAY THAT IF SOMEONE KNOWS THAT WHEN THE POLICE ARE CALLED, THEY'RE GONNA SHOW UP IN TWO MINUTES, THEY'RE GONNA BE LESS LIKELY TO COMMIT CRIME ON THAT PROPERTY. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S MORE EDUCATED GUESSES THAN ANYTHING. I I WOULD SAY THAT'S TRUE FOR ALL OF US. RIGHT. YOUR, YOUR PRIOR QUESTIONS AS TO DOES A TOWING AGREEMENT PREVENT CRIME? I I, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM HAS THE KOBAL TO SAY THAT. YES, IT DOES. A TOWING AGREEMENT PREVENTS CRIME. RIGHT. IT'S A VARIABLE. IT'S A, IT'S A STEP THAT CAN BE TAKEN. RIGHT. AND, AND THEY'VE TAKEN IT. THANK MAX HEADROOM IS, UH, THANK YOU MR. QUINT. UM, MR. CRON, NO QUESTIONS. VICE CHAIR CUCH. HI. UM, THANK YOU MS. BRAXTON, UH, BEING HERE TODAY, DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS IS YOUR TITLE CURRENTLY, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. DO YOU OVERSEE OTHER PROPERTIES? I DO. HOW MANY OTHER PROPERTIES? TWO. CURRENTLY TWO TOTAL? THREE ALTOGETHER? THREE ALTOGETHER, SIR, INCLUDING THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, SIR? SIR. OKAY. AND THEN, SO YOU, YOU DO, YOU RESIDE AT WHICH PROPERTY? AT THIS PROPERTY? THE BROOKLYN AT 95 90. AND YOU SAID THAT YOU HAD BEEN AT THIS PROPERTY SINCE TAKEOVER, WHICH WAS 2018, IS THAT CORRECT? I'VE BEEN OVER THE PROPERTY SINCE 2018, BUT I MOVED IN IN 2020. YOU MOVED IN IN 2020 DURING CODE? CORRECT. IS THAT CORRECT? [01:30:01] OKAY. SO DID YOU WALK THE PROPERTY? YOU SAID, UM, YOU'VE BEEN IN PROPERTY MANAGEMENT FOR OVER 20 YEARS. DID YOU WALK THE PROPERTY WHEN IT WAS TAKEN OVER IN 2018 AS A PART OF THE DUE DILIGENCE? YES, WE DID. AND I WAS PART OF THAT. WHEN YOU SAY WE YES. WHO WAS ALL, YEAH, WHO WAS THE TEAM THAT WALKED IT? DID IT INCLUDE YOUR ATTORNEY? DID IT INCLUDE THE OWNER? WHO DID IT INCLUDE? IT INCLUDED MANAGEMENT AND MAINTENANCE. WE WALKED EVERY UNIT. WE WALKED ALL OF THE EXTERIOR. AND YOU WALKED THE EXTERIOR AND INTERIOR, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. IN REGARD TO, SO YOU WOULD'VE BEEN AWARE, I GUESS, IN 2018 OR 17, WHEN YOU WALKED IT, WERE YOU AWARE, WAS IT, IS IT THE SAME CONDITION NOW AS IT WAS BACK IN 2018? NORMAL WEAR AND TEAR? WE DID, UM, WE DID DO SOME UPGRADING WHEN WE GOT THERE, SOME RENOVATING, BUT NOT SINCE TAKEOVER. DID YOU PULL CRIME REPORTS? WE DID. OR DO ANY DUE DILIGENCE ON THAT? WE DID. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR YOUR ANSWER. YES, WE DID. OKAY. OKAY. AND REGARDING THE SECURITY COST THAT YOU SAID WAS ECONOMICALLY UN UH, UN UNAVAILABLE, I GUESS, HOW MUCH WAS SECURITY COSTING PER MONTH WHEN YOU DID HAVE IT? AROUND 1800 TO 2,500 PER MONTH. 1800 TO 2,500 PER MONTH? MM-HMM . YOU SAID THAT THE GATES COST ABOUT OVER 10,000 OR SO TO REPAIR. WOULD IT THINK, DO YOU THINK THAT IT WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL IF YOU JUST SORT OF HIRED ONE SECURITY PERSON TO STAND AT THE GATE AND AT LEAST OBSERVE AND MAYBE EVEN HAVE A RESIDENT CHECKLIST TO SEE WHO WAS COMING IN AND GOING OUT ON A DAILY BASIS? I, I DON'T PERSONALLY THINK SO. NO. DO YOU, UH, UH, AND YOU HAD BEEN IN OTHER PROPERTIES, HAS THAT EVER BEEN DONE BEFORE AT YOUR OTHER PROPERTIES? WE HAVE DONE THAT AT OTHER PROPERTIES. THEY WERE MUCH LARGER. THE MORTGAGE ON THE PROPERTY IS, IS THERE A, I'M SORRY, WE HAVE DONE THAT. IS THERE A MORTGAGE ON THE PROPERTY? I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. IS THERE A MORTGAGE ON THE PROPERTY? THERE IS. WHAT'S THE MONTHLY AROUND? ONE 70. WHY DON'T YOU GUYS CONTINUE THIS TRAIN OF THOUGHT AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T GO SUPER LONG. 170,000 A MONTH FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY? CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'LL FOLLOW UP ON THE TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, DR. JACKSON. THANK YOU CHAIR. MOST OF MY QUESTIONS BE ASKED, BUT I JUST HAVE A FOLLOW UP. UH, REGARDING THE, UH, SECURITY. IF YOU FELT LIKE THAT SECURITY WASN'T WORKING OR WASN'T APPLICABLE, DO YOU, UH, DID YOU CONSIDER LOOKING INTO ANOTHER SECURITY COMPANY? MAYBE ARMED SECURITY? UH, I ALSO OWN PROPERTY AND I HAVE SECURITY THERE TO CONTACT AND INTERACT WITH DPD AND I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH MY RESIDENTS AND MY BUSINESS OWNERS THERE. AND SO MAIN THING THAT I LOOK AT IS SAFETY FOR THE TENANT TENANTS AS WELL. BUT I HEAR YOU MOSTLY SAY THAT, UH, BECAUSE OF MONETARY, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THE SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS IN, UH, IN MINE MAINLY BECAUSE OF SECURITY, BECAUSE THAT COULD BE THE FIRST STEP. YES. UH, I HEARD YOUR ATTORNEY SAY THAT, UH, WE KNOW THAT, UH, DPD IS, UH, MAINLY, UM, SHORTAGE THOUGH, BUT THAT COULD BE A FIRST PART. SO THAT'S ONE QUESTION. THEN ANOTHER QUESTION IS, UM, YOU STATED THAT, UH, THE FENCE ARE NOT ON YOUR PROPERTY. IS THAT ALLOWABLE WHERE YOU HAVE FENCING THAT COULD BE ON YOUR PROPERTY TO DETER SOME OF THE HOMELESS AS WELL? OKAY. SO WHAT WAS YOUR FIRST QUESTION? I'M SORRY? DID YOU LOOK INTO ADDITIONAL SECURITY, MAYBE ARMED SECURITY THAT COULD BE THERE ON THE PROPERTY? YES. THE SECURITY THAT WE HAD, BY THE WAY, WAS ARMED. AND WE DID LOOK INTO OTHER SECURITY COMPANIES AND THEY WANTED FAR MORE THAN WHAT THIS SECURITY COMPANY WANTED. AND YOUR SECOND AND MR. OKAY, SO SINCE YOU SAID THAT, DO YOU THINK THAT EVEN MONETARY THAT IT'LL BE, UH, BENEFICIAL TO PROTECT YOUR PROPERTY AND YOUR, UH, TENANTS EVEN PAYING ADDITIONAL, MORE MONEY FOR TENANT, UH, FOR SECURITY? TO BE QUITE HONEST, WHEN WE HAD SECURITY THERE AND THEY WERE INTERACTING WITH INDIVIDUALS IN, THERE ARE SITUATIONS WHERE POLICE NEEDED TO BE THERE, POLICE WEREN'T SHOWING UP. SO IT, I TOOK AWAY FROM THE AUTHORITY THAT THAT SECURITY HAD ON PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY KNEW NOTHING IS GOING TO COME OF THIS ASIDE FROM SECURITY WALKING US OFF THE PROPERTY, WE'LL BE BACK TOMORROW. AND THAT'S JUST IN THIS SITUATION. NOT EVERY, [01:35:01] BUT THAT'S WHAT WE EXPERIENCED. SO WHAT ARE YOU SAYING THAT, UM, YOU, YOU FEEL MORE SAFER FOR THE TENANT TO CALL YOU IN CASE IT'S A VEHICLE OR SOMETHING BEING STOLEN OR TOLD? BECAUSE I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THEY USUALLY CALL YOU OR THEY CAN CALL THE OFFICE WITH THOSE. SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU CAN RESPOND FASTER THAN SECURITY CAN RESPOND TO ANY OTHER ACTION ON THE PROPERTY? I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE CAN RESPOND FASTER, FASTER. I'M SAYING THAT WHEN WE NEED THE POLICE THERE TO GET INVOLVED, THEY'RE NOT THERE. SECURITY CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH. SECURITY CAN ENFORCE HOUSE RULES, BUT THEY CAN'T ENFORCE THE LAW. SO YOU CAN DO MORE THAN SECURITY. THAT'S MY QUESTION. WE HAVEN'T HAD AS MANY. IF THEY CALL YOU, YOU CAN, YOU CAN HANDLE IT FASTER THAN THE SECURITY. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES, WE CAN. OKAY. GO TO THE NEXT QUESTION, BUT, UM, UH, CAN YOU PUT FENCING ON YOUR PROPERTY? YOU'RE SAYING THAT DON'T BELONG TO YOU OR BELONG TO OTHER PROPERTY, IS IT ALLOW FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO PUT FENCING AROUND YOUR PROPERTY? DR. JACKSON, YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN TIME. SO I ASK THANK YOU. FINISH THE QUESTION AND WE'LL LET HER ANSWER AND THEN OKAY. GO AHEAD AND FINISH THE QUESTION. WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, THAT'S IT. DOES SHE FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE? I MEAN, CAN YOU ALLOW FENCING TO BE ON YOUR PROPERTY, UH, TO THE TERRACE ON THE HOMELESS? TECHNICALLY YOU CAN ADD MORE FENCING. I DIDN'T HEAR YOUR LAST PART OF YOUR STATEMENT. I'M SORRY. FINE. THANK YOU. THANKS, CHAIR. THANK, UM, MR. JEFFERSON. NO QUESTIONS. MS. SMITH? HI. YES, I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, ON AVERAGE, HOW MANY TENANTS ARE ON THE PROPERTY? UM, HOW MANY UNITS ARE BEING LEASED OUT EVERY MONTH ON AVERAGE? WELL, THERE'S 236 UNITS, AND ANY GIVEN TIME THERE COULD BE BETWEEN FOUR AND 500 ACTUAL PEOPLE ON LEASES AT OUR PROPERTY. SO YOU, YOU GUYS ARE PRETTY MUCH AT FULL CAPACITY, UH, UH, FULL CAPACITY WHEN IT COMES TO LEASING OUT THE UNITS? CURRENTLY? NO. WE'RE AT 83% OCCUPIED. OKAY. YOU SAID, UM, THAT THE GATE WILL COST APPROXIMATELY $10,000. IS THAT FOR REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT FOR THE GATE? YES. 10,000 WAS THE HIGHEST FOR REPAIRS TO REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT TO REPAIR, SORRY. OKAY. AND NO CAMERAS, NO SECURITY. AND IF THERE'S AN ISSUE THERE TO TEXT YOU OR ONE OF YOUR EMPLOYEES, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, WE ALWAYS TELL THEM, CALL 9 1 1. THE THINGS IN HOUSE ARE HOUSE RULES ARE HOUSE POLICIES WE CAN HANDLE. THERE ARE ENOUGH OF US ON SITE THAT WE CAN HANDLE THOSE ISSUES. WE DO ISSUE VIOLATIONS, WE DO FINE WITH, WITH EACH VIOLATION. WE CAN HANDLE THOSE THINGS. IT'S THE THINGS THAT WE CAN'T ENFORCE BECAUSE WE ARE NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT WE NEED HELP WITH. AND THAT IS WHEN WE TELL OUR RESIDENTS, PLEASE CALL 9 1 1. EVEN IF ONE OF YOU CALLS, THREE OF YOU CALLING IS MUCH BETTER. THEY'LL RESPOND IF MORE THAN ONE PERSON IS CALLING AND EVERYONE IS MAKING A POINT TO GET THINGS REPORTED. MM-HMM . BUT, OKAY. SO DO YOU AGREE THAT MAYBE, UM, GETTING THE GATE REPAIRED WOULD KIND OF HELP DETER CRIME, BEING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CAMERAS OR SECURITY ON SITE? I DO NOT BELIEVE WE DO HAVE CAMERAS. WE HAVE THE FLOCK IF THEY'RE AT THE ENTRY AND THE EXIT, AND IT'S A U-SHAPED PROPERTY, AND I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT A GATE OR CAMERAS IS GOING TO STOP CRIME. BUT DO YOU THINK, MY QUESTION WAS, DO YOU THINK IT WOULD HELP TO DETER CRIME? IT COULD BE A DETERRENT, YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS? YES. THANK YOU MS. SMITH. MS. ALLEN, NO QUESTIONS MR. SAXON. UH, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE, WE HAVE ALL OF THIS, UH, CONFIRMED. SO, UM, THE CITY PROVIDED A LIST OF ITEMS THAT, UH, IN THE NEXT 30 AND 60 DAYS THEY'D LIKE TO SEE OR THAT ARE REQUIRED, UH, FOR YOUR, YOUR, UM, RES RESIDENT, YOUR PROPERTY TO TAKE, UM, STEMMING FIRST OFF WITH LEASING, THEN CAMERAS, SECURITY, SIGNAGE, PARKING LIGHTS, AND CONTROLLED ACCESS. UH, I WENT THROUGH EACH OF THESE FROM WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE PRESENTED [01:40:01] TODAY. AND JUST, I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP AND MAKE SURE I, I'VE, I'VE GOT ALL THIS DOWN FOR LEASING. WE HAVE, UM, PROCEDURES IN PLACE THAT YOU GUYS FOLLOW, THE EVICTIONS THAT YOU'RE TAKING, YOU, YOU'RE TAKING THOSE STEPS. SO THAT'S ALL CLEAR. I WOULD SAY THAT'S A CHECK MARK. LIKE YOU GUYS ARE DOING THAT CAMERAS, THERE'S NO EVIDENCE IN THE PACKET THAT THEY WORK. FROM WHAT WE'VE HEARD, THEY DON'T WORK. SO THAT'S, THAT'S AN X FOR ME. UM, SECURITY, UH, I DON'T SEE ANY EVIDENCE IN WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE PRESENTED THAT STATED ANYTHING ABOUT SECURITY. SO THAT'S AN X FOR ME AS WELL. UH, SIGNAGE, I THINK I READ ABOUT NO TRESPASSING THAT WAS ON THERE, SO THAT'S KIND OF LIKE A, A GOOD, GOOD EFFORT, BUT I THINK THERE, THERE MIGHT NEED TO BE MORE THERE. UH, PARKING AND TOWING. YOU, YOU'VE BROUGHT UP THE TOWING PACKAGE. I DON'T SEE ANY EVIDENCE PRESENTED ON THAT TOWING. AND I THINK YOU HAD MENTIONED, UM, THAT THERE WASN'T ANY IN, IN THE EVIDENCE PACKAGE, THE ACTUAL TOWING AGREEMENT OR JUST ANYTHING ABOUT TOWING. WELL, IT'S, AND IF SO, COULD YOU POINT ME TO THAT NUMBER? UM, IF YOU CAN FIND IT, AND I'M JUST GONNA KEEP GOING ON THE OTHER ITEMS. YEAH, I DON'T, THE, THE TOWING AGREEMENT IS NOT IN THERE. OKAY. I BELIEVE THAT THE COMMUNITY RULES AND REGULATIONS ARE INCLUDED IN SOME OF THE TENANT, UM, PACKETS RELATED TO THE EVICTION PROCESSES. IS THAT IN THERE TOO, IN THE EVIDENCE? THE, IT, IT SHOULD BE, YES. OKAY. UM, UM, AND THEN I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT HER TESTIMONY, OF COURSE, IS EVIDENCE OF, OF WHAT THEY DO. SO SURE. I WOULD OFFER THAT AS WELL. OKAY. AND THEN THE GATES, UM, WHICH I BELIEVE CONTROLLED ACCESS IS A PART OF THAT. SORRY, LIGHTS. SO I DID IT. IT ISN'T YOUR BURDEN TO PROVE THAT LIGHTS WORK, BUT I DON'T SEE EVIDENCE ON YOUR GUYS' PART THAT SAY LIKE, HERE'S HOW CONTROLLED WE ARE WITH OUR LIGHTS. SO I'M NOT AN X OR CHECK MARK ON THAT ONE, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK THAT I'VE, I THINK I RECEIVED AN EV EVIDENCE FROM YOU GUYS THAT SAY AT NIGHT YOUR PROPERTY IS WELL LIT AND THAT IT DOESN'T, IT, IT PREVENTS PEOPLE FROM WANTING TO LIKE, DO BAD THINGS. UM, AND THEN GATES FINALLY, I DON'T SEE ANY IN THE EVIDENCE PACKAGE, ANYTHING FOR A QUOTE FOR REPAIR WHEN THAT HAD TAKEN PART OR WHEN YOU HAD REACHED OUT FOR THAT QUOTE. SO THAT TO ME IS ANOTHER PART THAT I'M PROBABLY GONNA PUT AN X ON. SO ALTOGETHER, IF THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THERE, LIKE I'M NUTS. NOT, NOT SURE YOU GUYS ARE TAKING THAT AND AGREED THAT YOUR, YOUR TESTIMONY COUNTS, BUT THE EVIDENCE KIND OF POINTS TO LIKE THAT. YOU'VE TAKEN THAT STEP AS WELL. UM, SO MY, MY QUESTION IS, WHAT REASONABLE STEPS OUTSIDE OF EVICTIONS HAVE, DO YOU GUYS LIKE THE TOP, TOP STEPS THAT YOU'VE TAKEN TO PREVENT CRIME ON YOUR PROPERTY? WE THOROUGHLY VET OUR RESIDENTS WHEN THEY MOVE IN. WE ARE ON THE PROPERTY DAILY. WE WALK THE PROPERTY. WE ARE IN COMMUNICATION WITH EVERYONE. CRIME DOESN'T GIVE YOU AN ADVANCE MEMO THAT IT'S COMING. SO WE DO YOU THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING HAS PREVENTED CRIME FROM HAPPENING ON YOUR PROPERTY? YES. EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE SINCE THE, UH, BA UM, THE MEETING, THE ACCORD MEETING WITNESSED, MORE CRIME OCCUR SINCE THEN. AND YOU ALSO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE EVIDENCE, THE, UH, WHAT THEY BROUGHT THE 12 ISSUES HERE, A LOT OF THOSE WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE INVITED IN BY THE LEASEHOLDER. I CAN'T STAND AT THE GATE AND TELL MY RESIDENT, YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT FRIEND HERE. THERE'S SOMETHING OFF ABOUT THEM. I NEED TO SCREEN THEM. I NEED TO DO SOMETHING. THEY'RE ALLOWED GUESTS. SO OUR PROBLEMS ARE MINIMAL. THAT'S ALL FOR ME. THANKS. THANK YOU. UM, OKAY. I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS THAN TIME. SO, UM, YOU SAID YOU EVICT 11 TENANTS A MONTH. THAT'S ON AVERAGE. SO YOU, YOU'RE EVICTING 55% OF YOUR TENANTS ANNUALLY. CORRECT? THAT'S EVICTING NOT JUST TURNOVER, YOU'RE THROWING OUT CORRECT. 55% OF YOUR TENANTS. CORRECT. UM, YEAH, THE LETTER, UH, IN, I THINK ULTIMATELY THIS IS PROBABLY WHAT IT'S GONNA TURN ON. THE, THE LETTER IN, IN THE SUBMITTED EVIDENCE, THE APPEAL LETTER SAYS THAT YOU QUOTE STOOD IDLE WHEN DIRECTED TO DO SO. SO WHO DIRECTED YOU WHEN AND IN WHAT FORM? WHAT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. I BELIEVE THE LETTER THAT I READ ESSENTIALLY SAID WE, I THINK I'M QUOTING STOOD IDLE WHEN WE WERE DIRECTED TO DO SO. I SUSPECT IT HAS TO DO WITH THE TRAP HOUSE, BUT, UM, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE INSTANCE WITH THE 5 0 3 UNIT? [01:45:01] I'M GUESSING THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, BUT I DON'T, UH, DID, DID SOMEBODY TELL YOU THAT, THAT YOU, FOR REASONS OF CODE THAT YOU COULDN'T FIX THE GATE? DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT DFR TOLD US THAT? WHO'S DFR? THE SLIDING PORTION OF THE GATE THAT'S THERE IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE IT FULLY OPERATIONAL, THAT WE HAD TO REMOVE THAT THE ENTIRE DAY AND THE MOTOR AND EVERYTHING ELSE. OKAY. I, I FOUND THE LETTER. I I FOUND WHAT YOU'RE QUOTING THE OKAY, THE IN AND EVEN STOOD AISLE WHEN DIRECTED TO DO SO THAT IS IN RELATION TO THAT SEARCH WARRANT THAT WAS BEING EXECUTED. AND WE WERE TOLD NOT TO EVICT UHHUH THAT TENANT. THAT WAS, UM, AND YOU HAVE, IS THAT A RIGHT, SAY THAT SOMEWHERE IN THERE? THAT'S UNIT 5 0 3. THAT WAS, SHE, THAT'S UNIT 5 0 3. THAT'S WHAT SHE WAS REFERRING TO. YEAH. UM, HOW MANY OF, UH, AND AND I DON'T SAY THIS TO GO TO THE FACT THAT THE, THE, THE EVENTS HAPPENED, BUT HOW MANY OF, OF THESE OF THESE CALLS RESULTED FROM YOUR CALLS YOUR TENANT'S CALLS TO, TO 3 1 1 9 1 1, ET CETERA? I THINK YOU SAID YOU HAVE A SYSTEM TEXT MESSAGE. SO DO, DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU TRACK THAT? NO, WE DON'T TECHNICALLY TRACK THAT. I KNOW, ME PERSONALLY, I'VE MADE A NUMBER OF CALLS. MY MANAGER MAKES CALLS THERE. I, BUT WE DON'T TRACK THAT IN THE TRAP HOUSE. DID DID YOU NOTIFY DPD BEFORE THE, BEFORE THE ARRESTS WERE MADE? YES. WE PROVIDED TWO DRUG COMPLAINTS. AND THEY TOLD YOU THEN HANG TIGHT, THEN RECEIVE THEIR OWN, UH, WARRANT AND EXECUTED IT. IS THAT TRUE? SO WITH THE PROCESS WITH THAT, IN ORDER TO FILE EVICTION ON SOMEONE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A VALID REASON UHHUH. RIGHT. UNDERSTAND. WE CAN, YOU CAN'T JUST GO ON OPINION. I UNDERSTAND. SO IF RENT WAS PAID, WE CAN'T FILE EVICTION FOR THAT. WE CAN GIVE LEASE VIOLATIONS FOR LOUD MUSIC. JUSTICE OF THE PIECE IS GONNA SAY, YOU NEED TO WORK THIS OUT. SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS BY SENDING LEASE VIOLATIONS. YOU KNOW, AFTER SO MANY, THE JUDGE IS GOING TO SAY, OKAY, I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE A PROBLEM HERE. OKAY. SO WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF GATHERING ALL OF OUR INFORMATION TO GET THESE PEOPLE OUT. WE KNEW THEY WERE A PROBLEM. OKAY. DIDN'T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT. AND WE ASKED FOR HELP. MY TIME, MY TIME IS THE, THE QUESTION I'M TRYING TO, DID SOMEONE TELL YOU TO STOP YOUR EVICTION OF, OF THIS UNIT? YES. A DETECTIVE CAME IN AND SPOKE WITH THE MANAGER AND SAID, GIVE US TIME. WE'RE WORKING ON THIS. OKAY. 'CAUSE WE'D SENT IN TWO THANK YOU TRUCK COMPLAINT FORMS. MY, MY TIME IS, MY TIME IS UP, SO THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, UM, OKAY. ROUND TWO. OKAY. I'M GETTING OLD. UM, MR. GONZALEZ, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. MS. SHIN? MS. BRAX, DO YOU, I SAW SOME EMAILS WITH, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, POLICE OFFICER. DO YOU GUYS ROUTINELY HAVE CRIME WATCH MEETINGS AND HOW OFTEN? AT ONE POINT WE WERE, UM, WE HAVE ASKED SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR TO HAVE ADDITIONAL CRIME WATCH MEETINGS. THE RESPONSE IS, WE'RE SHORT STAFFED. WE CAN'T ACCOMMODATE THAT RIGHT NOW. OKAY. AND YOU DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT COMMUNICATION IN YOUR EVIDENCE? NO. OKAY. SO HAVE YOU ATTEMPTED TO WORK WITH YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD POLICE OFFICER WITH YOUR FRUSTRATIONS ABOUT NOT HAVING POLICE RESPOND TO YOUR CALLS? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME, MR. QUINT. THANK YOU, CHAIR. I DO HAVE JUST A FEW QUESTIONS. MS. BRAX, YOU HAD SAID THAT THE LIGHTING IS BEING REWORKED AND IT'S A LONG TIME PROCESS. CAN YOU ELABORATE BRIEFLY HOW LONG THAT PROCESS TAKES TO GET LIGHTING TO STANDARD, UH, LIGHTING RESULTS? IT'S NOT STANDARD. IT'S AN UPGRADE. THEY'RE OLD HALOGEN BULBS, AND IF THEY'RE WORKING, THEY'RE NOT REPLACED. BUT AS MA'AM, MA'AM, MA'AM, I ASKED THE QUESTION. QUESTION OF HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN IN PLACE TRYING TO UPGRADE? OH, IT'S ONGOING. NEW FIXTURES THAT WERE AVAILABLE IN 2018 AREN'T THE SAME FIXTURES THAT ARE NOW. SO WHEN A LIGHT GOES OUT, WE PUT THE NEWEST AND MOST CURRENT, [01:50:01] SO IT'S GONNA REMAIN ONGOING. SO THE PROPERTY IS LIT? ABSOLUTELY. BUT LOOKING AT THE PICTURES FROM THE DETECTIVE, YOU HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF DARK SPOTS. AND THE PICTURES HE DID SHOW US THAT WERE LIT, WERE FROM HIS CAMERA. SO FROM THE LIGHTING ON YOUR PROPERTY IS WOEFULLY INADEQUATE. UM, YOU HAD MENTIONED, I WANNA MAKE SURE I GOT, I WROTE THIS DOWN RIGHT. THERE'S 236 UNITS, CORRECT? I DIDN'T HEAR YOU. WHAT DID YOU SAY? YOU, YOU, YOU SAID THERE WAS 236 UNITS? YES. OKAY. AND YOU HAD SAID SECURITY IS 1800 TO $2,500 A MONTH. SO DOING SOME SIMPLE MATH, BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT IT WAS NOT AFFORDABLE AND UNSUSTAINABLE. IF THE MATH IS CORRECT, IT'S 35 CENTS A DAY PER UNIT TO HAVE SECURITY. HOW IS THAT UNAFFORDABLE? THAT, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU, SIR. SO AT 35 CENTS A DAY FOR SECURITY, AND YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER, SO YOU'RE NOT TAKING ADEQUATE STEPS FOR SECURITY. UM, WHEN YOU SAY YOU VET THE RESIDENTS, DO YOU DO BACKGROUND CHECKS, POLICE BACKGROUND CHECKS? HOW DO YOU VET THEM? RENTAL VERIFICATION. EMPLOYMENT VERIFICATION HAS TO BE VERIFIABLE. WE CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT THE IDENTIFICATION THAT THEY PROVIDE US IS NOT FALSE IDENTIFICATION, USING THE STATE'S TOOLS AND THEN CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS. I ASKED ALSO, DO YOU DO A POLICE BACKGROUND CHECK? YES, I CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS? YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. UM, MR. CRON? NO, NO QUESTIONS. VICE CHAIR ILLA. MS. BRAX, UH, I WANTED TO FOCUS ON THE FENCING ISSUE AND WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD. YOU USED THE TERM, OR YOU SAID, AND I'LL PARAPHRASE, TECHNICALLY, WE COULD ADD MORE FENCING. DOES THAT INCLUDE THE EAST AND WEST, UM, LOCATIONS? YOU COULD ADD MORE FENCING. MAYBE IT'S NOT VANITY. DOES IT LOOK GOOD? BUT COULD YOU ADD ON YOUR PROPERTY FENCING OR SOME TYPE OF BARRIER ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE OF YOUR PROPERTY? THERE IS CURRENTLY FENCING ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE. IT'S JUST OWNED BY THE TWO PROPERTIES THAT ARE NEXT TO US. SO THAT WOULD, COULD YOU ADD YOUR, WHAT SPECIFICALLY? I'M GONNA BE MORE SPECIFIC. MM-HMM . COULD YOU ADD YOUR OWN FENCING? BASICALLY PUT ON YOUR PROPERTY, ON YOUR SIDE? FENCING. THAT WOULD BE DOUBLE FENCING. HONESTLY, THE WAY THAT IT'S SET UP, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE THAT THE OWNER COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT. HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO THAT? HAS THE OWNER LOOKED INTO THAT? NO, BECAUSE THE FENCING THAT IS THERE IS SECURE. THE ONLY PLACE WHERE THERE'S NO FENCING IS AT THE BACK OF THE COMMUNITY WHERE THERE IS A CREEK IN THE HOMELESS ENVIRONMENT. AND SO AT THE BACK, SO AT THE BACK OF THE COMMUNITY WHERE THERE'S A CREEK, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, IN DOING REAL ESTATE LAW MM-HMM . YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LINE, RIGHT? MM-HMM . A BOUNDARY LINE. SO ONE OF IT, PART OF IT'S GONNA BE YOUR LINE IS GONNA BE YOUR PROPERTY, AND THE OTHER PART'S GONNA BE THE CREEK OR THE COUNTY, OR WHOEVER YOU THINK THE OWNER IS. MM-HMM . HAVE YOU PUT ANY FENCING THAT IS ADEQUATE TO PREVENT PEOPLE GOING BACK AND FORTH, PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC ON YOUR PROPERTY, ON THE BACKSIDE WHERE THE CREEK IS? NO. WE HAVE NOT PUT ANY FENCING THERE. YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WERE GETTING BIDS AND, BUT I, I THINK YOU WERE CUT OFF. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME, WHAT BIDS WERE YOU GETTING? FOR WHAT? TO CLEAR THAT AREA BACK BEHIND THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. THANK YOU. MY TIME'S UP. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, MS. BROWN. LISTENING TO MY ATTORNEY, THE, THE, WHO'S ANSWERING A QUESTION I ASKED, UH, UM, THANK YOU, DR. JACKSON. UH, JUST ONE, UM, THOSE 11, YOU SAID YOU DO ADDICTIONS MAYBE 11 PER MONTH. PER MONTH. DO THEY USUALLY JUST INCLUDE, UM, UM, LEASE BEHIND ON YOUR LEASE MONTHLY RENT, OR DO THEY ALSO INCLUDE AVAILABLE A THAT IS, THAT INCLUDES EVERY CATEGORY, RENT AND, UM, LAY, HOLDOVERS AND CRIMINAL. DO YOU USUALLY GIVE THEM, UM, A WARNING IF THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF AVAILABLE OFFENSES, OR DO YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND RESTORE THE PRO, UH, PROPER PAPERWORK ON EVICTIONS? [01:55:01] IF IT'S CRIMINAL, THEN WE, ONCE WE HAVE EVIDENCE, WE GO STRAIGHT FOR THE EVICTION. YOUR WARNING IS WHEN YOU SIGN THE LEASE? I PASS THE CHAIR. THANK YOU, DR. JACKSON. UM, MR. JEFFERSON, NO QUESTIONS. MS. SMITH? NO QUESTIONS. MS. AYALA? I NO QUESTIONS MR. SAXON? NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. OKAY. SITTING HERE TODAY, IS IT YOUR POSITION THAT, THAT YOU HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN REASONABLY DO AND THERE'S NO MORE ROOM GOING FORWARD, BE IT FINANCIALLY OR, OR OTHERWISE? THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. OKAY, SO I'M LOOKING AT, AT A YEAR AND, AND FRANKLY ABOUT $120,000 HERE. UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF, IN MY OPINION, MAKES A $2,000 A MONTH EXPENSE LOOK A A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. I'M JUST GOING, GOING FORWARD. WHAT, DO YOU HAVE A, A PLAN? HAVE YOU, UH, A FORMAL PLAN? HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU DISCUSSED IT? WELL, THAT $120,000 A YEAR IS DEFINITELY GONNA CUT INTO THAT PLAN. WELL, I, I'M FORGET, YES, WE WOULD LOVE, WE, WE LOVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE SECURITY SPEAKING AS THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT. WE WOULD LIKE TO POSSIBLY GET A, A GATE THERE. CAMERAS. EVERYONE NEEDS CAMERAS. IT'S 2026. WE AGREE, BUT NOT TO THE EXTENT THAT IT'S GOING TO HINDER OPERATIONS OF THE PROPERTY IN ORDER TO PROPERLY TAKE CARE OF THE RESIDENTS. IF YOU WANT 20 CAMERAS THERE, AND IT COSTS US $50,000, THAT'S GOING TO ABSOLUTELY TAKE AWAY FROM WHAT WE COULD DO FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THEIR HOMES. I GET IT. AND IT'S NOT GONNA STOP CRIME. IT'S GONNA GIVE THEM THE TOOLS TO CATCH PEOPLE, BUT THEY'VE GOT TO SHOW UP TO DO THAT. THAT'S WHY I'M STRUGGLING WITH THAT. UM, BUT I'M, I'M, YOU KNOW, CRIME IS HAPPENING. IT IS. I CAN GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. I WAS ASSAULTED IN 2024, NO LESS THAN FOUR CALLS WERE MADE TO 9 1 1. AND WE WERE TRYING TO GET A HOMELESS PERSON OFF THE PROPERTY. SHE PICKED THE SMALLEST PERSON IN THE GROUP. SHE ASSAULTED ME. NO ONE, NO ONE SHOWED UP. WE HAD TO MANHANDLE THAT WOMAN AND GET HER OFF THE PROPERTY TWO HOURS LATER. BUT NOT 1D PD OFFICER SHOWED UP I NOT TO PRESS CHARGES. AND EVEN WHEN I BROUGHT IT UP TO OUR NPO, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD POLICE OFFICER, DID YOU GO ONLINE AND MAKE A REPORT? NO, BECAUSE I CAN'T MAKE HER, GIVE ME HER IDENTITY. NO, I CAN'T MAKE HER PUT DOWN HER WEAPON. I DON'T HAVE A BADGE. I, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I, WELL, I'M TIME'S UP. THE THINGS WE CAN HANDLE IN HOUSE, WE HANDLE IN HOUSE, BUT WHEN WE NEED HELP, WE NEED THE PEOPLE WHO ARE AUTHORIZED TO DO THAT. OTHERWISE, WE COULD GET IN TROUBLE. OKAY. MY TIME'S UP. GOTCHA. BUT THANK YOU. OKAY. AT THIS POINT, UM, EVIDENTIARY HEARING IS CLOSED. AND IN ORDER TO HAVE DISCUSSION, I NEED A MOTION. UH, I'M SORRY, WHAT? OH, YOU, YOU ARE CORRECT. I APOLOGIZE. UM, UH, CLOSING STATEMENTS, UH, THE CITY. UH, THANK YOU, UH, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION TODAY. I WANNA SIMPLIFY THE ISSUES THAT ARE BEFORE YOU DURING THE 365 DAY PERIOD FROM FEBRUARY 17TH, 2025 TO FEBRUARY 17TH, 2026, 12, DEBATABLE OFFENSES OCCURRED ON THIS PROPERTY. YOU HEARD TODAY FROM DETECTIVE ROBBINS THAT EVERY GATE ON THE PROPERTY WAS OPEN, DAMAGED, OR INOPERABLE. AND WE SAW IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT THE GATES WERE WIDE OPEN ANYTIME YOU VISITED THE PROPERTY. HEARD THAT THE PROPERTY HAS NO ONSITE SECURITY, UM, WITH NO ONSITE SECURITY AND NO FUNCTIONING GATES. THERE'S NO WAY TO PREVENT UNWANTED VISITORS FROM ENTERING THE PROPERTY. FURTHER, WITH NO ADEQUATE LIGHTING, NO CAM AND NO CAMERAS, THERE'S NO WAY TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE ON THE PROPERTY AND HAVE THEM REMOVED THE GATE. THE FENCING THAT IS ON THE PROPERTY IS NOT OWNED BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS, AND THEY'VE DONE NOTHING TO MAINTAIN OR ADD THEIR OWN GATE GATING TO THE PROPERTY TO HELP SECURE IT. FURTHER, THEY REMOVED THE GATES THAT WERE AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE AND EXIT OF THE PROPERTY, ALLOWING IT TO BE WIDE OPEN. ALL THIS REALLY BOILS DOWN FURTHER. WE HEARD FROM MS. BRAX WHO SAID THAT THERE WAS AN [02:00:01] UNDUE NEED AND NOT NECESSARY WHEN IT CAME TO ADDING CAMERAS, THAT THEY'RE UPGRADING LIGHTING AS THEY GO OUT, AS OPPO, AS OPPOSED TO A WHOLE SCALE OPERATION TO UPGRADE THE LIGHTING. UM, BASICALLY IT'S WHAT'S GOOD ENOUGH IS GOOD ENOUGH. ALL THIS REALLY BOILS DOWN TO IS THREE QUESTIONS. DID FIVE OR MORE AATS HAPPEN WITHIN 365 DAYS? YES. 12 DEBATABLE OFFENSES HAPPENED DURING THAT PERIOD. THERE WERE ALSO 190 PLUS CALLS FOR SERVICE DURING THAT PERIOD. TWO, IS THERE A HISTORY OF AAT CRIME AT THE PROPERTY? YES. YOU HEARD THAT DURING THE TWO YEAR, LOOK BACK BEFORE THIS PERIOD, THERE WERE FIVE DEBATABLE OFFENSES, AND WHERE DETECTIVE ROBBINS REMEMBERS WORKING THIS PROPERTY WHILE HE WAS IN PATROL AND KNEW AT A PLACE WHERE CRIME OCCURRED. THIRD, WERE THE PRESUMPTIONS REBUTTED AT THE ACCORD MEETING? NO. YOU HEARD THE TESTIMONY FROM DETECTIVE ROBBINS THAT THE ACCORD MEETING, THE EVIDENCE PROVIDED WAS INSUFFICIENT. THERE WERE NO TOWING CONTRACTS. THERE WAS NO PLAN FOR LIGHTING. THERE WAS AN EXPIRED SECURITY CONTRACT. UM, THERE WAS NOTHING TO FIX THE GATES. NOTHING WAS REALLY PROVIDED AT THAT, UH, MEETING TO REBUT THE PRESUMPTION. SO WITH THESE PRESUMPTION, SATISFIED AND INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE OF REASONABLE MEASURES BEING TAKEN PRIOR TO THE NOTICE, DPD HAS FULFILLED THEIR OBLIGATION AND DESIGNATED THIS PROPERTY AS A HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY. THEREFORE, WE ASK THE BOARD, UPHOLD THE HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY DESIGNATION SO THAT THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN HOLD THIS PROPERTY ACCOUNTABLE AND CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM IN IMPLEMENTING MEASURES THAT WILL ENSURE A SAFER ENVIRONMENT FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. PERKINS. TWO MINUTES. THREE. OKAY. , I MIGHT NOT NEED IT ALL. I I'LL SAY THAT I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S TIME TODAY. I HAD, I HEARD AT THE START OF THIS THAT NONE OF YOU ARE COMPENSATED FOR YOUR TIME. AND SO I APPRECIATE THE SERVICE THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING TO OUR COMMUNITY. UM, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, IN READING THE DALLAS CITY CODE, AND IN EVEN IN PREPARATION FOR THIS HEARING, WHEN WE WERE ASKING FOR THE CITY'S EVIDENCE BACK IN MAY, AND WE GOT IT EARLIER THIS WEEK, I MEAN, THE STACK, THE CARDS HAVE BEEN STACKED AGAINST OUR CLIENT FROM DAY ONE. UM, EVERY ELEMENT THAT IS CAPTURED BY THE TEXAS CIVIL PRACTICE AND REMEDIES CODE HAS BEEN SHIFTED TO A PRESUMPTION AGAINST OUR CLIENT, WHICH IS UNFORTUNATE. UM, WE DON'T DISPUTE THAT CRIME HAPPENS AT THE PROPERTY. UM, WE CAN'T DISPUTE THAT 12 DEBATABLE OFFENSES OCCURRED IN A 365 DAY PERIOD. WHAT WE CAN SHOW, AND WHAT OUR EVIDENCE SHOWS IS THAT FOR NEARLY EVERY ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS, WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO GET THEM OFF THE PROPERTY BEFORE THE CRIME OCCURRED. I PERSONALLY REPRESENTED THIS PROPERTY IN EVICTING A, A PROBLEMATIC TENANT. THAT TENANT APPEALED THEIR EVICTION TO THE TEXAS SUPREME COURT AND TOOK FOUR YEARS TO GET THEM OFF THE PROPERTY. THESE ARE THE CHALLENGES THAT PROPERTY OWNERS LIKE OUR CLIENT FACE. WE CAN'T JUST SNAP OUR FINGERS AND SAY, YOU DID SOMETHING WRONG. LEAVE. WE DON'T HAVE THAT POWER. WE HAVE TO EVICT THEM. THE EVICTION PROCESS IS DIFFICULT. IT'S EVEN MORE DIFFICULT WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH LOW AND MIDDLE CLASS FAMILIES WHO ARE GOING TO SAY THEY HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO. AND THEY'RE PROBABLY BEING HONEST WHEN THEY SAY THAT. AND SO WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE WE NEED HELP FROM PEOPLE WHO CAN ENFORCE THE LAWS THAT ARE BEING BROKEN. WE HAVE A 50% RESPONSE RATE AT BEST FOR 9 1 1 CALLS. WE HAVE TENANTS, WE HAVE RESIDENTS MANAGERS WHO ARE CALLING AND ASKING FOR HELP. UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT DPD IS UNDERSTAFFED. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE ALL FACING CHALLENGES. IMPOSING FINES ON THIS PROPERTY IS NOT GONNA SOLVE THE PROBLEM. IT'S LIKELY GONNA PUSH THE PROPERTY INTO FORECLOSURE BECAUSE WHILE, YES, YOU CAN CHANGE EVERY LIGHT BULB TOMORROW, YOU CAN BUILD THREE FENCES IN A ROW IF WE NEED TO. THAT TAKES MONEY, MONEY THAT THE PROPERTY DOES NOT HAVE. AND SO, YES, WOULD, IN THE PERFECT WORLD, WOULD EVERY TIME THAT GATE GETS BROKEN OR VANDALIZED AS IT REPAIRED THE NEXT DAY, THAT WOULD BE LOVELY. I'M NOT SURE WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR IT. SO THE SECTION 27 49 MAKES CLEAR THAT IT IS A REASONABLENESS STANDARD. IT'S NOT. HAS THE PROPERTY DONE EVERYTHING, SETTING ASIDE THE COST TO GET IN FRONT OF THIS ISSUE, MS. BRAX LIVES AT THE PROPERTY. NOBODY WANTS THE CRIME ABATED MORE THAN HER. OKAY? WE ALL WANT CRIME TO GO DOWN IN, IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. I THINK EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. AND SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS TO COOPERATE WITH THE CITY, WORK TOGETHER TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY, BUT DEEMING THIS PROPERTY. A A, THE DESIGNATION THAT IS BEING SOUGHT AND IMPOSING FINES IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT WORSE BECAUSE [02:05:01] THE PROPERTY IS GONNA HAVE LESS MONEY TO DO THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE ASKING IT TO DO. IT CAN'T COME UP WITH ADDITIONAL FUNDS. SO UNTIL OCCUPANCY GETS UP, THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL MONEY HERE. SO IT, IT IS LIKELY GOING TO RESULT IN FORECLOSURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL FOR, FOR, UH, FOR BEING HERE. UM, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS AUDIENCE WE HAVE HERE IN THE, UH, ROOM. UM, I APPRECIATE IT. NOW, THE, UH, EVIDENTIARY PART OF THIS HEARING IS CLOSED, AND I NEED A MOTION IN ORDER TO DISCUSS. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. MR. CHAIR, YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO A AFFIRM, UH, DENY OR MODIFY. YOU READY YOUR MOTION? MR. GONZALEZ? I MOVE THAT THE PERMIT AND LICENSING APPEALS APPEAL BOARD AND APPEAL OF THE HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY DESIGNATION FOR THE REAL PROPERTY OF SNUG OWNER LLC, UH, THE BROOKLYN AT 95 90, LOCATED AT 95 90 FOREST LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS, AFFIRMED THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER 27 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE, BECAUSE THE EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY SHOW THAT THE PRESUMPTIONS IN SECTION 27 DASH 48 ARE SATISFIED. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? WHO, WHO WAS THAT? MR. QUINT. OKAY. UH, MR. GONZALEZ, IS IT YOUR MOTION? SURE. UH, I DO HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT POLICE RESPONSE TIMES AND THE CALLS, AND, YOU KNOW, NOT ALWAYS BEING THERE. HOWEVER, BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THAT WE SAW TODAY AND THE TESTIMONY, I ALSO DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE SUFFICIENT STEPS TAKEN, UH, TO, UH, ALLEVIATE THE CRIME. UM, GOING THROUGH THE LIST THAT THE CHIEF OF POLICE GAVE, I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERY SINGLE THING ON HERE HAS TO BE COMPLETED. BUT FOLLOWING MR. SAXON'S KIND OF GOING THROUGH THAT AND WITH THE, UH, UH, PEOPLE HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NOT SEEN ADEQUATE REPAIRS FOR GATES OR CONTROLLING ACCESS. WE HAVEN'T SEEN OPERABLE CAMERAS. WE HAVEN'T SEEN HIRING ADEQUATE SECURITY OR ADEQUATE LIGHTING. SO I FEEL LIKE, BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THAT WE SAW TODAY, THE TESTIMONY AND THE CITY CODE, THAT THERE'S NOT REALLY MUCH LEEWAY FOR A DIFFERENT DECISION. THANK YOU, MR. QUINT. YOU'RE THE SECOND. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, GOING STRICTLY BY THE LETTER OF THE LAW, 12 ABBA, UH, HAVING TO HAVE FIVE AVAILABLE OFFENSES OR MORE, THAT BURDEN WAS MET WHEN THERE WAS 12 AVAILABLE OFFENSES. UM, I, I HAD SOME REAL ISSUES WITH BLAMING THE COST OF THE CAMERAS, UM, FOR A REASON NOT TO HAVE CAMERAS. YOU KNOW, THIS IS 2026. EVERYWHERE YOU GO, EVERYWHERE YOU GO, GROCERY STORES, HARDWARE STORES, RESTAURANTS, STREET CORNERS, STOPLIGHTS. THERE ARE CAMERAS EVERYWHERE. SO TO SAY, WELL, THEY DON'T STOP CRIME, OR THEY DON'T SLOW IT DOWN. WELL, IF THAT WAS THE CASE, THEN NO ONE WOULD'VE CAMERAS EVERYWHERE. WHEN YOU SEE THERE'S CAMERAS, YOU GO, OOPS, I AM BEING WATCHED. UM, RE REMOVING THE GATES FENCE DOORS OPEN. NO FENCING ON THE BACKSIDE, UM, POOR OR NO LIGHTING. UM, UNFORTUNATELY, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE POINT OF VIEW, SO TO SPEAK, BUT I DON'T, WHEN ONE BUYS A PROPERTY, IT IS INCUMBENT UPON THEM, WHETHER IT'S AN APARTMENT SHOPPING CENTER OR WHAT HAVE YOU, TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THE PROPERTY AND SAFETY OF THE TENANTS OR CUSTOMERS. AND SO, I, I THINK THAT UNFORTUNATELY THIS NOT, NOT ONLY WAS NOT MET, BUT WAS WOEFULLY UNMET TO ENSURE THAT THE SAFETY OF THE, THE TENANTS, AND I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. IS, UH, IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD SPEAK AGAINST THE MOTION? UM, SHALL I, UH, GO, GO THROUGH IT? UM, MS. SHIN SPEAKING EITHER WAY. I JUST ASKED DIRECTLY. UH, JUST AS A MATTER OF, UM, PROCEDURE, I'D AGREE WITH MR. GONZALEZ THAT IT, I SYMPATHIZE WITH YOUR FRUSTRATIONS ABOUT, UM, SEEMINGLY UNANSWERED POLICE CALLS. UM, HOWEVER, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ANYTHING PROVIDED TO US AND THE EVIDENCE TODAY, UM, SHOWED ANY COOPERATION THAT YOU HAVE TESTIFIED THAT YOU WOULD LIKE FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON YOUR SIDE. UM, AT THE ACCORD MEETING, INFORMATION IS PRESENTED AND FACING THIS POSSIBLE, UH, DESIGNATION. IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THERE WAS ANY, ANY CHANGES MADE ON YOUR PART, UM, [02:10:02] TO TRY AND COOPERATE WITH THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT THERE'S BEEN ENOUGH ACTION ON YOUR PART, AND THAT IS WHY I WOULD AGREE, UH, WITH THE MOTION THAT MR. GONZALEZ PRESENTED. THANK YOU. UH, MR. CRON? YES, I WOULD AGREE. THE FIRST LINE OF ABATEMENT, UH, HAS NOT BEEN MET. MS. UH, VICE CHAIR ILLA. I AM JUST CHAIR, VICE CHAIR CILLA. HE'S ON MUTE. THERE YOU GO. GOT IT. PERFECT. THANKS, GUYS. UM, I AM, UH, IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION. HOWEVER, I DO FIND CONCERN OF POLICE RESPONSE. I ALSO FIND CONCERN AND I, THIS IS ABOVE OUR PAY GRADE, BUT OF THE EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION EXHIBITS, UM, AND EVIDENCE. I WISH THAT WAS ACTUALLY SOONER. I WISH THERE WAS SOMETHING EVEN AFTER THE ACCORD MEETING, PRIOR TO COMING TO US MAYBE TRYING TO WORK SOMETHING OUT WITH THE CITY. I UNDERSTAND THAT I'M, I'M ASKING FOR A STEP THAT DOESN'T EXIST. UM, I DO FIND THOUGH CONCERN WITH, AND I BELIEVE I FORGOT WHO HAD RAISED THE ISSUE, OR RA RAISED IT AS A POINT OF THE IDEA THAT I ASKED THE QUESTION OF WHETHER DUE DILIGENCE WAS DONE. UH, THE WITNESS THAT WAS HERE FOR THE OWNER TO DID PARTICIPATE IN THAT. AND MANAGEMENT TEAM, I HAVE NO IDEA IF THAT INCLUDES THE OWNER OR SOMEBODY ELSE. NAMES ARE NOT GIVEN, BUT THE LACK OF TRUSTING THE DUE DILIGENCE, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT HAD CHANGED FROM 2018 TO NOW 2025 OR 26. AND SO WITH THAT IN MIND, I THINK THERE'S, AND, AND MAYBE THERE'S JUST AN ASSUMPTION THAT WE'RE BUYING THE PROPERTY. THIS IS WHAT'S OCCURRED. IT HAS NOT BEEN LABELED AS A HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY IN 18. THEREFORE, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD AS WE SEE FIT. AND AS WE SEE, UH, THE PROPERTY IS BEING MANAGED AT THE MOMENT, I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE STEPS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN THAT HAVE NOT BEEN TAKEN THAT COST MONEY, BUT NOT, NOT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IS GONNA BE CHARGED NOW MONTHLY, IF THIS MOTION, UM, PREVAILS. SO WITH THAT, UM, I, I'D HOPE THERE'S NOT A FORECLOSURE IN PLACE. IF THAT OCCURS, THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT OTHER COMMENTS TO THAT, BUT THAT, THAT CANNOT BE OUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS, UM, OR PART OF THAT. BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE, THE LACK OF POLICE RESPONSE. BUT I ALSO FIND, UH, THE LACK OF, OF, UH, RESPONSIBILITY TAKEN ON OUR DUTY, UH, ACKNOWLEDGED BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS AS, UM, NOT SIGNIFICANT OR NOT SUFFICIENT. SO THAT'S WHY I'LL BE VOTING IN FAVOR OF THE, UH, MOTION ON THE TABLE NOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR. COULD SHE, UH, DR. JACKSON? THANKS, CHAIR. UM, I AM ALSO IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION. I DO HAVE CONCERNS OF, UM, THE NUMBER OF, UH, AVAILABLE CALLS THAT HAS BEEN CALLED WITHIN THE TWO TO THREE YEARS. ALSO, I HAVE THE BIG ISSUE REGARDING, UM, SECURITY, UH, THE WORKING GATES ALSO OFFENSE BECAUSE I STILL FEEL THAT, UH, THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COULD DO MORE THAN WHAT IT IS. UH, I MAINLY HEAR THAT. UM, AND I UNDERSTAND, UH, LIKE I SAID, I ALSO HAVE A BUSINESS ORGANIZATION. I UNDERSTAND A LACK OF MANDATORY, BUT ALSO, UM, THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS SAFETY AND CONCERN. AND I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE, UM, IMPLEMENTED MORE. AND INSTEAD OF SAYING, UH, LACK OF MONETARY AND CONCERNS TO THE OFFICE, YES, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE LACK OF A POLICE RESPONSE, BUT I THINK THAT IF YOU HAD, UM, UH, BETTER SECURITY, YOU WOULD, UH, ALLOW THAT TO OCCUR, THAT IT WOULD BE, UM, YOU WOULD HAVE MORE CONCERNS AND MORE, UM, RESPONSE AS WELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. JEFFERSON. UM, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION. I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO BE REDUNDANT. UM, THE PROPERTY IS NOT AND HAS NOT, UH, COME INTO COMPLIANCE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, MS. SMITH, I AFFIRM THE MOTION. I, [02:15:04] OKAY. UM, MISS AYLA, UM, I AGREE WITH THE MOTION AS WELL WITH, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY SAID, I THINK THE PROPERTY FOLKS COULD HAVE DONE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE GATE SECURITY CAMERAS, ET CETERA. UM, AND THAT'S WHY I AGREE WITH THE MOTION, MR. SAXON. UH, I AGREE WITH THE MOTION. I, I, I WISH THAT THERE WAS A WAY DURING THE ACCORD MEETING THAT OWNERSHIP COULD BRING UP HOW MONETARILY PROHIBITIVE THESE THINGS MIGHT BE. AND MAYBE THERE'S A WAY THAT THE CITY CAN WORK WITH THEM OR, OR THE DETECTIVES CAN WORK WITH THEM THERE. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT HAPPENS, BUT, UM, TO WAIT FOR AN APPEAL TO KIND OF BRING THAT UP. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A YEAR, UM, WHEN YOU START SEEING CRIMES ON YOUR PROPERTY OCCURRING MORE OFTEN, UM, YOU HAVE THAT TIME TO THINK LIKE, ARE THE DEFENSES WE HAVE IN PLACE TO PREVENT THIS CRIME WORKING? AND WE, WE HAD BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, CONJECTURE WE HAD BROUGHT UP HISTORICALLY, AND TO ME, IF YOU SEE 12 CRIMES IN A YEAR, IF YOU SEE 17, UH, PAST THAT IN 24 MONTHS, THE, THERE SHOULD BE CAUSE FOR ALARM THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING ISN'T WORKING, AND LET'S START PUTTING SOME SAFETY NET OFF TO THE SIDE TO PAY FOR THAT UPGRADE TO DO THIS FOR OUR PROPERTY. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO AT WORK, AT, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO AT HOME, UM, WHERE I, WHERE I WORK AND WHERE I LIVE. SO IT, IT STINKS THAT WHEN YOU GET THIS HCP DESIGNATION THAT THE COST IS VERY HIGH. BUT THAT'S PART, AGAIN, OF THE DUE DILIGENCE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, IS WHEN YOU OPERATE A BUSINESS, YOU ARE AWARE OF AN HCP DESIGNATION BEFORE YOU GO INTO BUSINESS. AND HOW PROHIBITIVELY EXPENSIVE IT WOULD BE TO BE CONSIDERED THAT. AND SO YOU HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT WHEN YOU'RE MAKING DECISIONS ON WHAT UPGRADES SHOULD WE MAKE TO OUR, OUR PROPERTY. SO, UM, THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, THROUGHOUT TODAY'S MEETING, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE EFFORT THAT A LOT OF THE FOLKS WHO COME HERE TRIED TO DO. UM, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK I, I WOULD AFFIRM THE DECISION AS WELL. THANK YOU. OKAY. WELL, I DON'T LIKE ANY OF IT. UM, THE EVENTS HAPPEN. THERE'S CRIME THERE. WE CAN'T STOP CRIME ON THE FACE OF IT. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, AS A WAY OF FEEDBACK, HOWEVER, I WOULD SAY AS I, AS I LOOK AT THE CRIME, I, I THINK OF, OF 12 OF THEM, UM, I THINK, UH, SOME OF THEM, I, I WOULD NOT COUNT. YOU'VE GOT, UH, ONE THAT, THAT IS A CRIMINAL MISCHIEF THAT, UM, IN ORDER TO COUNT IT HAS TO BE OVER $500. AND THE, THE REPORT SAYS IT'S BETWEEN 107 HUNDRED AND $50. SO THAT, THAT DOESN'T, UH, DO IT. YOU'VE GOT ONE HERE WHERE BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE SEXUALLY ORIENTED, UM, CRIME, I THINK THE, UH, I THINK THE APPELLANT WASN'T ABLE TO TO GET. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY, THEY, UH, RESPOND TO THAT. UM, ONE HAS TO DO WITH DRUGS THAT WERE ACTUALLY NOT FOUND UNTIL THEY'RE IN THE PRISON. UH, SO YOU GO THROUGH SOME OF THAT 12 QUALIFYING PROBABLY RUNS DOWN TO SOME, BUT, BUT CERTAINLY ENOUGH, UH, TO COUNT. SO MR. SACKER WENT THROUGH A LIST, AND HE'S RIGHT, THERE'S ANOTHER SET OF LISTS TOO. THERE IS A, AN OWNER CALLING 9 1 1. UM, THERE, THROWING OUT 55% OF YOUR RESIDENCE IN A YEAR IS NOT THE WORLD'S GREATEST BUSINESS MODEL. SO I MEAN, UH, UH, THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S ACTIVE HELPING. SO A LOT OF TIMES WE, WE SEE SOMEBODY WHO'S REALLY JUST SAYING, HEY, WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO? UH, THESE GUYS ARE, ARE, ARE NOT JUST SITTING IDLY BY. UM, WHETHER THEY'RE DOING ENOUGH IS, IS, IS THE QUESTION. THIS IS A REALLY TOUGH STANDARD. AND SO THEY LEAVE IT TO US TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S REASONABLE. AND, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME UP WITH THAT. WHAT I DISLIKE IS, IS THE LACK OF HELP. UM, YOU, I, I BELIEVE, UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO TESTIFIED, BUT THE REALITY IS, WITHOUT BEING A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, YOU CAN'T FORCE SOMEBODY TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES. UH, AND IT STRIKES ME THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SERIOUS CRIMES, WHICH WAS, UH, ONE OF THE DETECTIVE'S BIG REASONS FOR WHY, UH, [02:20:01] HE EVALUATED THE, THE APPELLANT'S ACTIONS IS NOT, UH, ENOUGH. UM, LIKE THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT POLICE TO PRIORITIZE OVER, SAY, A NUISANCE, UM, KINDS OF THINGS. SO, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, AND I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT SOMEBODY'S SUPPOSED TO DO IF POLICE SAY, DO THIS, CODE COMPLIANCE, THEY DO THAT. SO I ACTUALLY, I I SYMPATHIZE A LOT. I WISH I COULD FIND A WAY. AND I'M, I, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING MS. CARLISLE, IS WHETHER THERE'S A WAY TO, TO, YOU KNOW, REVISIT THIS IN SIX MONTHS. UM, UH, AND WE DO SEE SOME SETTLEMENTS THAT, THAT DO THAT. I JUST, I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW THAT MOTION WOULD WORK, UH, HERE. SO I REALLY DON'T LIKE IT. UM, AND IT IS NOT AS CLEAR TO ME AS IT IS TO YOU GUYS. SO, UH, I'VE JUST, UH, YEAH. UM, SO LET'S CALL THE VOTE, MR. CHAIR. YES. BEFORE WE CALL THE VOTE, W WAS THERE A DISCUSSION ON AN ALTERNATE MOTION THAT WOULD, IS THAT A, I GUESS A AVENUE THAT WE COULD EXPLORE? UH, WE COULD TO, TO DISCUSS IT. I WOULD EITHER HAVE TO, UH, OFFER AN AMENDMENT OR, BUT WE, WE, WE HAVE TO DISPOSE OF, OF THIS. AND, AND I'M ALSO SAYING I'M NOT EXACTLY, I, I WOULD HAVE TO THINK AND TALK WITH MY ATTORNEY HERE ABOUT HOW I CAN AND CAN PHRASE IT, UH MM-HMM . BECAUSE WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO, I'M POTENTIALLY OPEN TO AN AMENDMENT, BUT I, I WOULD, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT TO KNOW WHAT THAT IS BEFORE I VOTE NO ON, OH, ON MY OWN MOTION. WELL, I WAS SORT OF COUNTING THE VOTES AND SAYING PROBABLY WASN'T WORTH IT, BUT I, I, UM, UM, AND MS. CARLA, DO YOU HAVE ANY INPUT? I MEAN, WE DEFINITELY HAVE THE ABILITY TO MODIFY. NOW THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE CAN'T MODIFY. WE CAN'T MODIFY THE FEE SCHEDULE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S IN THE LAW. MM-HMM . SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING SEE, YOU WANTED TO DO, I WOULD NEED A RECESS TO CONFER WITH MY TEAM TO SEE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE. UM, BUT GOING THROUGH THE SETTLEMENT ROUTE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAD ON A DIFFERENT CASE WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE AT THIS STRUCTURE BECAUSE THE CITY AND THE PROPERTY OWNER AT THAT, UM, PREVIOUS CASE AGREED ON. YEAH. I USED THAT ONLY AS AN EXAMPLE. NOT, NOT AS A, I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE IMPOSE A SOMETHING WOULD A 10 MINUTE BREAK OR RECESS. I MEAN, THAT PUTS US AT 1130 IF YOU GUYS WILL INDULGE US. I, I, I, WE'RE NOT, I'M NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE A STRAW POLL. UM, THIS MAY BE AN EXERCISE IN, UH, FUTILITY. UM, YEAH, NOT, NOT, DEFINITELY NOT INTERESTED IN THAT POLL. JUST AS THE MAKER OF THE MO OF THE ORIGINAL MOTION. AND I KNOW WE PROBABLY HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT IN A MINUTE. WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH MY SECOND, OR WE HAVE TO GET A DIFFERENT SECOND. BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT OTHER OPTIONS WOULD BE CONSIDERABLE AND WOULD BE ACCORDING TO CITY CODE. 'CAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY FEAR RIGHT NOW IS BASED OFF OF WHAT I'M SEEING RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF ME. THERE'S LIMITED OPTIONS. BUT YEAH, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT THE CITY LEGAL TEAM HAS FOR A ALTERNATE OPTION AND WHETHER THE, THE, THE POLICE, UH, THE, THE DPD CAN REVISIT SOONER THAN A YEAR IN QUESTION. NO. OKAY. IF YOU GUYS WILL, WILL POINT OF ORDER REAL QUICK POINT OF ORDER. YES. SO, UH, I I WANT TO ASK THIS QUESTION. THE, THE WAY THE STATUTE IS WRITTEN, IS IT AN UP OR DOWN VOTE? THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MODIFY THE MOTION EITHER HAS TO BE UP. WHAT WE CAN'T DO IS REMAND AND WE CAN'T CHANGE THE LAW. AND, AND FRANKLY, WE'RE REALLY ASKING OUR LAWYER TO, TO MODIFY. YEAH. UH, UH, WE ARE GIVEN THE POWER TO, UH, AFFIRM, DENY OR MODIFY, BUT WE CAN'T JUST MAKE STUFF UP. AND IN THIS CASE, WE ARE VERY CONSTRAINED BY THE LAW BECAUSE IT SAYS WE CAN ONLY CONSIDER CERTAIN THINGS. UM, BUT I, I, I HAVE THE, THE MOTION MAKER AT LEAST SAYING I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR ATTORNEY, UH, WITHOUT SPENDING A TON OF TIME. UM, BUT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, MR. GONZALEZ, IT'S YOUR MOTION. YEAH. IF IT'S, IF IT'S OKAY, I'LL, I'LL SAY, YOU KNOW, 10 MINUTES, 1130, I WOULD, WE REVISIT, SEE WHAT CITY LEGAL HAS TO SAY. [02:25:01] OKAY. OKAY. IF YOU'LL BEAR WITH US, WE, WE WILL. THIS UNTIL 1130. UH, IT IS, UH, 11:34 PM PERMIT, LICENSE, PEEL BOARD IS BACK IN SESSION. AS SOON AS I SEE FACES, WE HAVE A QUORUM. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. OKAY, WE HAVE A QUORUM. OKAY. MS. CARLOW, PURSUANT TO SECTION 27 DASH 51, THE PERMANENT LICENSE APPEAL BOARD IS LIMITED TO ISSUES OF WHETHER THE PRESUMPTIONS IN SECTION 27 DASH 48 ARE SATISFIED. SO IT'S AN OR DOWN AFFIRM OR REVERSE IF THE APPELLANT MET COULD PROVE THAT THE RE THE PRESUMPTIONS WERE REBUTTED. HOWEVER, IN SECTION 27 DASH 52, IT SAYS, DURING THE TIME OF PROPERTY IS DECLARED HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY, THE CHIEF OR DIRECTOR MAY PLACE CONDITIONS ON THE OPERATION OF THE BUSINESS AT THE PROPERTY. SO IT'S AN UP OR DOWN AFFIRM OR REVERSE. IF YOU ARE AFFIRMING, YOU CAN MODIFY AND THAT YOU CAN PLACE THESE CONDITIONS SUCH AS, YOU CAN INCLUDE A MINIMUM NUMBER OF SECURITY GUARDS AT THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING PARKING LOT AT, AT ALL TIMES OR AT CERTAIN TIMES OF OPERATION. YOU CAN, UM, PUT A CONDITION THAT YOU NEED A PATROL PROPERTY AND ADJACENT AREAS TO MONITORING, TO MONITOR LOITERING, VANDALISM, EXCESSIVE NOISE, CROWD CONTROL, ILLEGAL ACTS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, I'M SORRY IF, IF WE DID THAT, WE WOULD'VE DONE THAT TO ACCOMPANY AND OVERTURN. NO. IF WE, IF WE AN AFFIRMATION, IF AHOLD IT, WHY WOULD WE THEN SAY YOU HAVE TO DO ALL THE THINGS THAT THE POLICE ARE ALREADY SAYING YOU HAVE TO DO? YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE IF WE OVERTURNED THE DECISION OF THE, UH, YEAH, I JUST, I DUNNO WHY IT WOULD SEEM REDUNDANT. RIGHT? IT'S DURING THE TIME A PROPERTY IS DECLARED A HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY. SO YOU ARE AFFIRMING, 'CAUSE IT'S DECLARING THAT IT'S AN HCP, BUT YOU'RE PLACING MORE CONDITIONS ON IT. OH, ADDITIONAL. OKAY. I'M NOT LOOKING TO BE MORE PUNITIVE. OKAY. OKAY. WELL, SO THERE'S NO WIGGLE ROOM IN LIKE TIMEFRAME FOR REVISITING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NOT AT THIS JUNCTURE, NO. CHAIRMAN CALL FOR THE VOTE. UH, AS LONG AS MS. CARLISLE IS, UH, FINISHED AND THEN, UH, I BELIEVE THAT THE MOTION IS STILL ON THE TABLE. WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND REPEAT THE MOTION JUST FOR THE, AND DON'T WORRY, YOU CAN SECOND IT. SO, OKAY. WOULD, WOULD YOU MIND RESTATING THE MOTION? YES. SO THE MOTION WAS THAT I MOVED THAT THE PERMIT LICENSE APPEAL BOARD IN THE APPEAL OF THE HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY DESIGNATION FOR THE REAL PROPERTY OF SNUG OWNER LLC, UH, THE BROOKLYN AT 95 90 LOCATED AT 95 90 FOREST LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS, AFFIRMED THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER 27 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE BECAUSE THE EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY SHOW THAT THE PRESUMPTIONS IN SECTION 27 DASH 48 ARE SATISFIED. UH, IS THERE A SECOND? MR. QUINT? JUST SECOND. SECOND. WAIT. JUST, OKAY. SECOND. SO, UH, I'M GOING TO PRESUME ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON IT HAS SPOKEN AND WE ARE READY FOR A VOTE. UH, WE WILL TAKE A ROLL CALL. MR. GONZALEZ, UH, A YES VOTE IS A VOTE TO UPHOLD OR AFFIRM? YES. MS. SHIN? YES. MR. QUINT? YES. THANK YOU. CHAIR. MR. CRON? YES. VICE CHAIR UCH? YES. DR. JACKSON? YES. MR. JEFFERSON? YES. MS. SMITH? YES. MS. AYALA? YES. MR. SACKER? YES. MR. AGNI IS, YES. THE MOTION, UH, PASSES UNANIMOUSLY, WHICH IS 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8, 9, 10 TO ZERO. IS THAT CORRECT? NO, I HAVE MR. CRON. OKAY. 11 2 0. OKAY. UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, UNLESS SOMETHING HAS CHANGED, NANCY, WE, UH, WE HAVE NO CASES ON OUR DOCKET, WHICH CERTAINLY MEANS WE WILL NOT HAVE THE INTERMEDIATE JULY MEETING. SO, UH, OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING IS AUGUST THE FIRST, THURSDAY AND AUGUST 6TH. SO THANK YOU FOR, FOR BEING HERE. AND THANK YOU FOR, UH, INDULGING US FOR THE TRYING TO LEARN, UM, UH, BE SAFE. HAVE A GOOD REST OF YOUR DAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THE, UH, PERMANENT LICENSE FIELD BOARD, UH, UH, AT 10, I'M SORRY, 1139. UH, AM IS ADJOURNED. YEP. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.