[Dallas Deep Ellum TIF District and Dallas Grand Park South TIF Board of Directors Meeting on June 22, 2026.]
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UH, SINCE WE HAVE QUORUM FOR BOTH FIFTH COURT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AT 2:07 PM TODAY ON THE 22ND.
ASSUMING MY FELLOW CHAIR IS OKAY WITH THAT AS WELL, CHIEF 13.
UM, SO FIRST UP IS PUBLIC COMMENTS PERTAINING TO THE AGENDA ITEMS LISTED BELOW.
IS THERE ANYBODY HERE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ONCE? GO TWICE? OH YEAH.
UH, SO THERE'S PUBLIC COMMENTS.
WE'VE EVEN DONE, I ONLY REORDERED THINGS.
UH, LET'S DO INTRODUCTION OF MEETING PARTICIPANTS THEN, UH, I'LL TAKE THE HOT SEAT FIRST.
JOHN HETZEL, UH, CHAIR THE DEVELOPMENT PIT FLOOR.
ALSO THE MANAGING PARTNER OF MASS PARTNERS OF THE LARGE LONG TERM PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE DISTRICT.
AND, UH, VOLUNTEER PRESIDENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT FOUNDATION, WHICH MANAGES THE PIT.
CAN WE SPEAK A LITTLE LOUDER? YES, WE'LL DO OUR BEST.
YEAH, I, I'VE BEEN ACCUSED OF TALKING YOU LOUD.
UH, YOU WANNA GO NEXT, JEFF? YEAH.
JEFF, JEFF, BOARD OWNER OF CLUB DATA AND A FEW OTHER SMALL BUSINESSES IN RESIDENT.
I'M WITH THE OFFICE OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT
I'M STUDENT DIRECT, DW DEPUTY, UH, MELISSA KERMAN, UH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF FAIR PARK.
WORKED AT FAIR PARK FIRST CAPITAL STRATEGY.
I'M ASSUMING, CAN YOU HEAR ME? CAN YOU? YEAH, WE CAN HEAR YOU RIGHT.
I'M JUST HAVING DIFFICULTY UNDERSTANDING.
IT'S, IT'S STILL A LOT OF STATIC.
I'M JUST HAVING PROBLEMS UNDERSTANDING.
UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO.
OR, OR MAYBE I NEED TO GET ON MY PHONE.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO, IF IF EVERYBODY ELSE UNDERSTANDS CLEARLY MS. FRANKEL WILL DO WE'LL ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO PROJECT FORWARD THEIR VOICES TOWARDS THE, THE MIC, RIGHT? OKAY.
I CAN, I CAN INTRODUCE MYSELF IF YOU GUYS ARE.
UM, HAVE AN AUGUST, AUGUST REAL ESTATE, DEEP L TIFF BOARD.
UH, WE'RE A DEEP EL AND EAST DALLAS PROPERTY OWNER.
ALRIGHT, UH, CO YOU WANNA GO NEXT? UH, YEAH.
UH, CORBE, I'M ON THE DEEP LM TIFF BOARD AS WELL.
UM, WE ARE A TENANT AND PROPERTY OWNER IN DEEP EL I'M HINES ASANI TON GRANT BAR.
I SWITCHING MICROPHONE ON DR. TODD ATKINS.
TERRY FLOWERS, GRAND PARK, SOUTH TIFF, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, PLANNING AND DESIGN FOR PARK AND REC, CLAUDIA VAR DEVELOPMENT.
I'M DEPUTY DIRECTOR IN THE OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
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ALL RIGHT.IS IT COMING THROUGH ANY CLEARER NOW FOR THOSE ON VIRTUALLY OR IS IT STILL IT IT'S CLEAR, IT'S CLEARER.
AND WHO ARE THE UM, THE DIRECTOR FOR FAIR PARK? FIRST, I THINK IS WHO WAS THE FAIR PARK? FIRST PEOPLE, THAT'S THE, THE AREA THAT WAS A LITTLE GARBLED.
HI, I'M ALYSSA ARNOLD SLASH ZIPPERMAN.
I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR FAIR PARK FIRST AND THEN HASSAN.
HI, HEATHER STEVENS RISE 360 CAPITAL, UH, CAMPAIGN STRATEGIST FOR THE COMMUNITY PARK.
I'M SENIOR MANAGER WITH OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
ANGELA HARTMAN, MANAGER OF OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
ALI ALI, ION COORDINATOR WITH THE OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SENIOR MANAGER, OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND I'M BRIAN O'CONNOR, SENIOR DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF DALLAS ATION.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS ON THE
CONSIDER THE MEETING RECORD AS THE JANUARY 28TH, 2026 DEBONE TIF BOARD MEETING.
UH, WE'RE GONNA AMEND THAT, UH, TO CORRECT THE DATE OF THE DEBONE TIF BOARD MEETING TO BE FEBRUARY 2ND, 2026.
UM, WITH THAT, UH, WOULD ANYBODY ON THE DEBELL TIF BOARD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE? ALL RIGHT.
THAT WAS CORBIN WHO MADE THE MOTION? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
THE NEXT ON THE ITEM IS TIP 13 MINUTES FROM DECEMBER THE FOURTH OF 2025.
CAN I GET A MOTION? I MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE DECEMBER 4TH, 2025 ME MEETING OF THE GRAND PARK SOUTH CHAIR? SECOND.
UM,
YEAH, IF YOU CAN READ THE, I'LL READ IT THEN.
UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, REVIEW AND CONSIDER TIF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH FAIR PARK FIRST AND AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $3 MILLION IN WITH THE BOTTOM
UM, DO YOU HAVE THE PREFERENCE ON WHETHER THESE AGENDA ITEMS ARE CONSIDERED TOGETHER OR SEPARATE FOR SOME OF THE EIGHT? PROBABLY SEPARATE.
UM, I BELIEVE EVERYONE WAS REMINDED THAT, UH, THE DEVELOPED BOARD MEMBERS, THAT THE 2023 AND 2024 AMENDMENTS THAT WERE APPROVED BY THE DEVELOPMENT BOARD, UM, WERE SIMPLY ALLOWED FOR THE AGENDA ITEMS THAT ARE PRESENTED TODAY TO BE IMPLEMENTED.
SO TO THAT END, WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD THREE PRETTY IMPACTFUL PROJECTS.
AND THE FIRST LEVELS IS, UM, A FUNDING REQUEST FOR THE LONG AWAITED, UH, COMMUNITY PARK AT FAIR PARK PROJECT, UM, MELISSA ARNOLD AND, UH, WITH FAIR PARK FIRST AND HEATHER STEVENS WITH RISE 360 ARE HERE TO PRESENT THE PROJECT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SO WE'RE GONNA PUT IT ON THE SCREEN, HEATHER, AND IF YOU CAN PROJECT YEAH.
YOU ON, ON THE VIRTUAL AUDIENCE.
ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR THEM OR WANT THEM TO COME ON MUTE? YOU OBJECT TO THE MIC OVER THERE.
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OKAY.MY VOICE IS NOT CARRY VERY WELL, SO I'M HAPPY TO OVER HERE.
SO FIRST, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.
AS ANGELA MENTIONED, THIS IS A REALLY LONG TERM PROJECT.
UM, IT STARTED BACK IN THE SIXTIES AND NOW WE'RE HERE TODAY STILL MAKING MORE PRODUCT HAPPEN, BUT IT'S MADE MORE PROGRESS THAN IT REALLY HAS EVER IN THE LAST ALMOST 50 YEARS.
SO, UH, ALYSSA ARNOLD, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR FAIR PARK FIRST, AND MYSELF.
SO WE CAN JUST GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IF THAT'S OKAY.
WE'LL KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF THE PROJECT ITSELF AND THEN INTO THE LOGISTIC COMPONENTS.
AND IF YOU CAN'T HEAR ME, FLAG ME NOW PLEASE.
UM, SO WE JUST, THIS IS JUST A SLIDE GIVING YOU AN OVERVIEW OF FAIR PARK.
MANY OF US KNOW THIS, SO WE CAN JUST GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
AND, UM, THIS IS JUST A HIGH LEVEL, VERY, YOU KNOW, RENDERING.
UM, IT'S GONNA CHANGE SLIGHTLY AS WE GET INTO OUR CDS.
UM, BUT WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE, UM, DO WENDY, IF THOSE STRUCTURES COME IN EXIST BECAUSE OF CHINA? NO.
CORRECTLY, IT IS AN EMPTY PARKING LOT AND THERE ARE NO STRUCTURES ON THAT, BUT WE'LL TOUCH ON THOSE HERE SHORTLY.
UM, AND THERE HAVE BEEN AIR STRUCTURES BECAUSE WE DID RECEIVE FUNDING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THE OUTDOOR RE RECREATION LEGACY, AND THEY DON'T ALLOW FOR CLOSED STRUCTURES.
SO, UM, ALYSSA, DO YOU WANNA TOUCH ON THIS? SURE.
I SAY NOW A COUPLE TIMES LONG AWAITED, OF COURSE.
UM, BUT THIS ALL BEGAN, UH, BACK IN THE SIXTIES, UM, WHEN, UH, FAIR PARK WAS LOOKING TO EXPAND, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE THE PARKING AND THE GROWING STATE FAIR.
UM, SO AS WE KNOW, OVER THE CORRESPONDING 10, 20 YEARS, UM, STRATEGICALLY, HOMES AND BUSINESSES WERE TAKEN VIA IMMINENT DEMAND BANK, PRETTY MUCH, UM, DOUBLE THE SIZE OF THE CAMPUS, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE THESE, UH, LARGE EVENTS.
AND SO RIGHT NOW WHAT WE LOOK AT TODAY IS, UM, QUITE A BIT OF PARKING.
AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT TAKING THE LARGEST PARKING LOT, UM, WHICH IS AT RIGHT NEXT TO DOS EQU EAST ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF IT, I GUESS, UM, AND MAKING THAT INTO A PARK.
SO IT'S A 14 ACRE CAMP, A 14 ACRE LOT THAT'S GOING TO BE A 10 AND A HALF ACRE PARK.
UM, SO, UH, WE'LL UH, GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE ON THAT ONE.
AND THEN, UH, JUST TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT WHO WE ARE AS FAIR PARK FIRST.
UM, FAIR PARK FIRST CAME TO EXISTENCE IN 2018, UH, WHEN THE, WE WERE, UH, PART OF THE TEAM THAT WENT FOR THE MANAGEMENT OF THE ENTIRE CAMPUS OF FAIR PARK.
UM, WE WERE IN A PARTNERSHIP WITH, I'M SURE YOU'VE ALL HEARD OF A FEW GROUP, UM, FORMERLY KNOWN AS SPECTRA.
UM, AND, UH, WE MANAGED THE CAMPUS FROM JUST JANUARY 1ST, 2019 TO SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2025 WHEN OUR, UM, MANAGEMENT, UH, AGREEMENT WAS TERMINATED.
UM, DUE TO, UM, WHAT WAS CALLED AN AGREED UPON PROCEDURES, WHICH WAS JUST AN AUDIT THAT WE HAD, UH, DONE OURSELVES AS A NONPROFIT TO LOOK AT, UM, HOW OUR OPERATOR WHO MANAGED OUR FINANCES WAS SPENDING, UH, FUNDRAISE DOLLARS.
AND AS WE FOUND OUT, THERE WAS ABOUT $5.7 MILLION THAT WERE, UH, IMPROPERLY USED, UH, AND RESTRICTED, UM, THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO GO TOWARDS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT WENT TOWARDS, UM, DAILY OPERATIONS OF THE CAMPUS.
UM, SO SINCE THEN, UH, WE HAD SEPARATED OUR FINANCES.
WE CONTINUE TO BE SEPARATE FROM THEM.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY, UM, AS YOU'VE SEEN IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS TO SECURE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UM, SO THAT WE CAN BUILD A COMMUNITY PARK AND WE CONTINUE THIS WORK THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS SINCE 2020 WHEN THE MASTER PLAN WAS PUBLISHED.
UM, AND THE COMMUNITY PARK WORK REALLY BEGAN EARNEST, THE FUNDRAISING EFFORTS.
UH, SO WE, AS OF I BELIEVE IN FEBRUARY, WE GOT THE APPROVAL FROM CITY COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND THEN WE GOT A, UH, FULLY EXECUTED AGREEMENT BY END OF APRIL.
AND SO WE ARE JUST GETTING BACK UP AND RUNNING WITH THIS PROJECT.
UM, AND WE DID THE TEST MAKE A PAUSE BECAUSE WE HAD FINISHED OUT THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT OF IT.
SO WE'RE AT 100% DDS BY THE END OF 2025.
SO WE ADDED THOSE, UM, COMPLETE THEN.
AND SO WE DID HAVE TO PAUSE AS WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THIS.
UM, UH, CONTRACTUAL, UH, TOOK A PAUSE WHILE GOING THROUGH THE CONTRACTUAL MENTS, BUT DESIGN GOT COMPLETED AT A HUNDRED PERCENT DD AND ALL THE FUNDERS BOTH AT THE STATE AND FEDERAL AND PHILANTHROPIC LEVEL STATE COMMITTED BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN THIS PROJECT.
SO WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO WHY THIS PARK MATTERS IS FAIRLY IMPORTANT.
I THINK MOST IN THIS ROOM REALLY HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THE AREA.
UM, BUT THIS PARK WILL PROVIDE WITHIN F FIVE TO 10 MINUTE WALKING DISTANCE, 13 SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES 15 UP TO 15 MINUTES.
AND THEN IT ISN'T ACTUALLY TWO OF THE UNHEALTHIEST OF CODES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
UM, I THINK MANY KNOW A STATISTIC THAT, UM, JUST IN THE 7 5 2 1 5 AND THE 7 5 2 1 6, UM, AREA, THANK YOU.
UM, JUST TWO MILES NORTH PEOPLE HAVE A 20 YEAR LONGER LIFE EXPECTANCY.
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AND SO IT'S DUE TO LACK OF, YOU KNOW, ENVIRONMENTAL FRIENDLY AREAS THAT THEY CAN, UM, IMPROVE THEIR HEALTH.AND ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS SAW LAST WEEK, MCKESSON CORPORATION INVESTED 2.5 MILLION INTO THE PARK, UM, BECAUSE THEY SEE IT AS, UH, HEALTH EQUITY, THAT'S POINT FOR THE CONCERNING COMMUNITIES.
UM, AND THEN, UH, 88% PEOPLE OF COLOR SURROUNDING THE AREA.
UM, BUT THE GOAL IS TO REALLY BUILD, UH, HEALTHY LIFESTYLES THROUGH THE ACCESS POINTS OF THE MARKET GROWTH, WHICH WILL PROVIDE NUTRITION, THE FITNESS LOOP, WHICH IS KIND OF EXERCISE EQUIPMENT, AND THEN MULTIPLE PLAYGROUNDS.
'CAUSE THERE WAS REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THERE WASN'T ALL ABILITIES ALL PLAY FROM LITTLE ALL THE WAY TO SENIORS.
SO WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
AND SO JUST TO TOUCH ON THAT, IT'S 10 POINT, UH, IT'S A LITTLE OVER 10 MILLION OR 10 ACRES, EXCUSE ME, I FUNDRAISE, UM, WHEN I SEE A NUMBER
AND EACH AGE GROUP IS IN DIFFERENT SECTION.
SO IT'S ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT FIGHT ROUNDS.
UM, AND IT REALLY IS ONE OF THE LARGEST GREEN SPACE INVESTMENTS IN THE SOUTH DALLAS AREA IN DECADES.
AND THAT ACTUALLY IS A RENDERING.
UM, ALYSSA, WHY DON'T YOU TOUCH ON THIS.
I THINK YOU'VE DONE SO MUCH OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WITH THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.
SO WHEN WE TOOK OVER IN 2019, OF COURSE WE REALLY WANTED TO HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY.
WE WERE A NEW NONPROFIT IN THE ORGANIZATION AND WE WERE TASKED WITH CREATING A MASTER PLAN OF WHAT TO DO WITH 207 7 ACRES THAT WERE NESTED IN THE CENTER OF THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, SO COMMUNITY AGENT HAS BEEN KIND OF PART OF OUR, OUR IDENTITY.
AND SO, UM, WE HAVE, UH, REALLY EMPHASIZED THAT THIS IS A COMMUNITY PARK.
IT IS CALLED A COMMUNITY PARK.
WE DON'T HAVE INTENT CHANGING THAT NAME.
UM, SO FOR NOW, UM, SO, UM, WE'VE CONTINUED TO IN INTERACT WITH THE COMMUNITY, UM, AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE THE, THE VOICE BEHIND THE DESIGN.
AND SO AS SHE MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, WE HAD A HEAVY EMPHASIS ON ALL AGES AND ABILITIES PLAY.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE TOP ITEMS THAT WAS REQUESTED WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE MASTER PLANNING.
AND THEN WE MOVED TO THE COMMUNITY PARK DESIGN.
AND SO, UM, IT'S JUST EMBEDDED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE THING.
WIFI, WATER PLAY, UM, ALL AGES AND ABILITIES, UH, LAWN SPACE, UM, A LOT OF SHADE.
ALL THESE THINGS WERE KIND OF, UH, WOVEN IN THROUGH THE DESIGN THAT YOU'LL SEE IN A LITTLE BIT.
YOU CAN HOP TO THE NEXT, YEAH, I WISH I HAD THAT.
AND SO JUST FOR, UM, AWARENESS OF WHERE IT'S LOCATED, IT'S IN LOT A AND 10 B, WHICH IS RIGHT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF DOSIS IF YOU'RE LOOKING NORTH FROM THE SOUTH SIDE.
AND I KNOW YOU GUYS WILL BE TALKING THE TRAIL TOO.
SO WE HIGHLIGHTED THAT FOR YOU GUYS.
I'LL, I'LL SAY JARED WHO WORKS IN PARKS ALONG WITH THE ARCHITECTS, UM, HAVE ALREADY BEEN IN COMMUNICATION.
SO THAT THAT PART WHERE THE PARK IS ALREADY IS LIKE LOGISTICALLY BEING WORKED TOGETHER TO CREATE THE EASEMENT AREA THAT'S LOOKING FOR THAT.
SO COORDINATION IS HAPPENING, UM, AND ACTUALLY IT'LL CREATE A GREAT BUFFER, WHICH IS GREAT FOR SAFETY.
SO WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, SO AS ALYSSA MENTIONED, THIS REALLY IS BUILT FOR EVERY GENERATION FROM PLAY, UM, AS LITTLE KIDS ALL THE WAY TO PLAYING SENIOR ADULTS.
UM, BECAUSE THEY ALSO DO NEED TO GET EXERCISE AND, AND HAVE ACTIVITIES.
SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE AMENITIES HERE.
I WON'T GO THROUGH THEM ALL THROUGH, BUT THIS IS THE CURRENT OVERVIEW SITE PLAN FOR THE COMMUNITY PARK.
SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE AREAS, UM, LEGO STREET AND THEN EXPOSITION OF HOW IT LAYS OUT.
UM, WE DEFINITELY BELIEVED IN HAVING OPEN LAWN SPACE, BUT HAVING IT IN DIFFERENT SECTIONS SO IT CAN BE UTILIZED IN DIFFERENT WAYS, THE WAY THE COMMUNITY NEEDS.
AND IF A LAWN HAS TO GO OFF, UH, OFFLINE BECAUSE OF MAINTENANCE OR SOMETHING, IT DOESN'T TAKE OFF ANYTHING ELSE.
THERE ARE OTHER PARKS THAT SOMETIMES THAT THAT DOES HAPPEN.
AND YOU CAN SEE, UH, CHILDREN'S PLAYGROUND HERE, HERE AND HERE.
SO THIS IS, UH, COT LOT, THE LITTLE BIT OLDER AND THEN THE, UH, YEAH.
YEAH, YOU CAN SEE THE PLAYGROUNDS.
AND THEN THESE ARE JUST TWO HIGHLIGHTED RENDERINGS.
UM, AND AS WE'RE GOING INTO A HUNDRED PERCENT DS, WE'LL HAVE ADDITIONAL RENDERINGS THAT KIND OF SHOW THE FINAL VERSIONS.
YEAH, WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
AND, UM, WE REALLY THOUGHT THIS WAS IMPORTANT JUST TO HIGHLIGHT, SOMETIMES WE FORGET THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT COMES WITH GREEN SPACE.
THIS IS JUST FOR EVERYBODY TO HAVE IS AWARENESS.
UM, LAST WEEK I MENTIONED MCKESSON.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT REALLY DROVE THEM TO REALIZE THAT THIS INVESTMENT WAS VERY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY IN THIS SPECIFIC AREA THAT THE INVESTMENT WAS OCCURRING IN.
UM, BUT WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT, I WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF THE TIME YOU GUYS HAVE.
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HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH TEXAS TREES FOUNDATION.THEY, UH, THEY ARE ALSO ONE OF THE FUNDERS INTO THE PROJECT FOR THE TREES.
UM, STORMWATER NATIVE, BLACKLAND PRAIRIE, KIND OF TO MITIGATE SOME OF THE FLOODING AND THINGS THAT CAN OCCUR.
UM, IT IS ONE OF THE TOP THREE LARGEST HEAT ISLANDS IN THE CITY.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, HEAT ISLAND STUDY THAT WAS PRODUCED, I THINK BETWEEN THE CITY AND TEXAS TREES, THAT IS, THAT'S NOTED IN THERE.
UM, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING, THERE'S AN, UH, AREA OF THE PARK FROM THE UPPER NORTH SIDE THAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO REBUL TO BLACKMAN PRAIRIE.
AND THERE'S ACTUALLY ONLY 1% OF ORIGINAL BLACKMAN PRAIRIE STORE REMAINING IN TEXAS.
UM, AND SO IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REALLY GO BACK TO THAT BIODIVERSITY AND NATURAL LANDSCAPE.
UM, AND THEN WE CAN GO, WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
FOR RIGHT NOW, I THINK PROGRAMMING IS SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING WITH PARK AND REC ON ONCE THE PARK
UM, THESE ARE JUST SOME QUOTES FROM THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAD SOME, UH, GREAT RESIDENTS COME FORWARD AND SPEAK AT COUNCIL MULTIPLE TIMES THIS YEAR ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS PROJECT.
AND I, I THINK IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO HIGHLIGHT THEM, INCLUDING MS. RAGSDALE WHO'S ON THERE.
AND HASSAN, I JUST, AND REVEREND ATKINS, SO WE APPRECIATE YOU AND YOUR, UM, YOUR VOICE.
SO THE IMPORTANT STUFF, RIGHT, UM, BEYOND THE, THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT IS READY TO BUILD.
SO CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS ARE IN PROCESS NOW.
SUMMER, UM, THROUGH THE SUMMER PERMITTING AND APPROVALS WE'RE TARGETING THIS FALL.
WE HAVE NORM OLSTEIN ARCHITECTS AS OUR PROGRAM MANAGER.
UM, SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THE TEAM HERE IN A SECOND.
AND THEN CONSTRUCTION LATE 26 POST FAIR.
SO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TOOK MUCH LONGER THAN EXPECTED TO, UM, OCCUR.
THAT CONVERSATION STARTED IN AUGUST OF 25 AND SO DIDN'T GET APPROVED UNTIL AUGUST OF 26.
SO WITH THAT TIME, APRIL, UH, APRIL 26TH, THANK YOU
UM, AND THEN IT SHIFTED THE TIMELINE CONSTRUCTION IS ESTIMATED TO BE 18 TO 24 MONTHS IN TARGET OPENING END OF 27, POTENTIALLY EARLY 28.
WE DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT IS A S MODEL THAT PROVIDES COST CONTROLS EARLY ON, LOCKING EVERYTHING IN.
UM, AND THEN GMP DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE BE CONSTRUCTION AS OUR CMAR.
UM, THEY ARE WELL RESPECTED IN THE CITY FOR BUILDING PARKS.
UM, AND THEY BRING A LOT OF EXPERTISE FROM ALL THOSE, UH, PARKS THAT THEY HAVE HELPED BUILD.
STUDIO OUTSIDE IS OUR DESIGN TEAM.
NORM OLSEN, AS I MENTIONED, PROJECT MANAGER.
THE DALLAS FOUNDATION IS OUR PRIVATE FUNDING MANAGER.
SO ANY PRIVATE PHILANTHROPIC FUNDS RAISED GO IMMEDIATELY TO THE DALLAS FOUNDATION.
ALL EXPENSES ARE SUBMITTED TO THEM AND THEN THEY VERIFY THEM.
AND IT'S A, IT'S A REALLY NICE, UH, CONTROL SYSTEM THAT THEY HAVE IN PLACE.
AND THE DALLAS FOUNDATION IS A GOOD PARTNER.
UM, AND THEN ALL THE PUBLIC FUNDING, UH, THROUGH THE STATE AND FEDERAL ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THE CITY'S OWN PROCESS.
'CAUSE THE CITY WAS OUR PARTNER.
UM, WE WERE ABLE TO SECURE 8.6 MILLION FROM WARLOCK, WHICH IS THE FIRST TIME THEY'VE INVESTED THAT IN DALLAS.
AND THEN, UM, TWO MECHANISMS FROM THE STATE AND THEN CAMPAIGN FUNDRAISING ME.
AND THEN WE HAVE OUR SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS, WHICH IS ZDA, BA, MEGAN, MIKE MILLER.
SHE USED TO WORK FOR THE CITY.
SHE'S NOW RUNNING A I A AND THEN REVEREND ATKINS, UM, SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIRS.
THANK YOU REVEREND DOCTOR NOW.
UM, AND SO WE CAN, WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
JUST ANOTHER SLIDE SHOWING, UH, SOME OF THE TEAMS AND ALSO SOME OF THE SUBS WHO ARE INVOLVED.
DID YOU MENTION WHO THE DESIGNERS ARE? WE DID.
UM, TOTAL PROJECT COST IS 40.6 MILLION, OF WHICH RAISED TO DATE IS 33.1 SECURED.
UH, IT'S 82% OF THE TOTAL FUNDING.
THERE ARE NOT MANY PARKS THAT GO TO CONSTRUCTION WITH THAT MUCH SECURED IN ADVANCE.
AND SO I THINK WE'RE IN A REALLY GREAT POSITION.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS THAT ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION AND DESIGN COSTS ARE GONNA BE FULLY SECURED BEFORE WE START CONSTRUCTION, WHICH, UM, I DO THINK PUTS US AHEAD OF SEVERAL PROJECTS AND PUTS US IN A GREAT COMFORT ZONE TO MAKE SURE THE PROJECT GETS BUILT.
AND WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, THIS IS JUST SOURCES AND USES IF YOU GUYS WANNA DIG IN DEEPER AND SEE HOW THE FUNDS ARE BEING SPENT AND WHAT HAS BEEN SPENT.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT PHILANTHROPIC IS ABOUT REMAINING IS 6.6 MILLION.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE BREAKDOWN OF THE STATE
ALYSSA, DO YOU WANNA TOUCH ON THIS? UM, YEAH.
SO THEN AS I MENTIONED, UH, WE DID GET A, UM, FULLY EXECUTED AGREEMENT IN APRIL.
UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF CONTROLS THAT WERE PUT IN PLACE.
THAT'S ALSO PARTLY WHY IT SO MUCH TIME.
THERE WAS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH, UM, WITH THE ATTORNEYS.
UH, BUT WE ARE, UM, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF, UH, METRICS IN WHICH WE HAVE TO REACH TIMELINE.
SO WE HAVE TO HAVE BY, UM, I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE SEPTEMBER, OKAY, OCTOBER, UH, 15TH I BELIEVE, OR 25TH WON'T BE ON THAT PLEASE.
UM, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE THE DESIGN COMPLETED.
UM, AND WE'LL ALSO HAVE TO HAVE
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ALL THE FUNDRAISING MET.SO THE GAP, UH, THE 6 MILLION GAP THAT WE'VE MENTIONED, WHICH WE'LL GO INTO MORE DETAIL.
UM, BUT THAT WAS WHAT ORIGINALLY WAS IN THE AGREEMENT.
UM, SO WE HAVE TO FULLY FUNDED AND ALSO COMPLETELY DESIGNED IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE 24 MONTHS TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT ONCE WE, UH, BREAK GROUND.
UH, WE DO REQUIRE, WE DO REQUIRE US TO HAVE TWO EX OFFICIO MEMBERS ON THE PARK BOARD, I'M SORRY, ON OUR BOARD.
UM, ONE THAT IS DESIGNATED BY PARK BOARD AND ONE THAT IS DESIGNATED BY STAFF.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE THAT WE WILL BE REPORTING TO.
UM, WE STILL NOT RECEIVE YOU THAT IS, BUT, UM, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ACTIVELY WITH, UM, PARTS AND REC EVEN NOW, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET, UM, ALL THE APPROVALS IN PLACE.
UH, DDS, THEY HAVE TO REMOVE, REVIEW THOSE, UM, THEY'LL REVIEW CDS.
UM, SO EVERYTHING HAS CHECKS AND BALANCES TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MEETING DEADLINES AND TIMELINE.
BUT THOSE ARE THE BIG NUMBERS.
THIS IS SIX MONTHS AND THE 24 MONTHS.
THE NEXT, IF THERE'S ONE MORE, THANK YOU.
UM, HIGHLIGHTING THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS THAT THERE HAS BEEN, UM, QUITE, I WOULD SAY ABOUT 60% OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE BEEN CHANGED OUT AND NEW ONES PUT ON MR. BERG FIRST, UM, BECAUSE THEY ARE, UH, IN CHARGE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO IT'S HAD A LOT OF, UH, INCREASE.
UM, I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT CHRIS BOWERS, MATT WARIG AND, UM, BOB LUXON ARE THREE OF THE BOARD OF ATTORNEYS, UM, SPANNING ACROSS MANY DIFFERENT SKILL SETS.
AND THEN WE HAVE, UM, ZAHA BOR WHO WORKED FOR FACILITIES FOR THE CITY FOR QUITE A LONG TIME AS AN EXPERTISE THERE.
DAN TOBY AND, UM, JOHN, JOHN WILKIN ARE RETIRED BOTH FROM GRANT THORNTON AND, UH, EY.
AND THEN ANN BESSER IS A EX OFFICIO WITH, UM, THAT CRYSTAL CHERRY BALL.
AND WE CAN POP TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, JUST TO SHOW YOU, UH, THE RANGE OF PEOPLE SUPPORTING THIS.
AND I WILL SAY SOME OF THE GIFTS THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN BOTH AT THE STATE, FEDERAL, AND PHILANTHROPIC LEVEL HAVE BEEN SOME OF THE LARGEST INVESTMENTS THAT THEY HAVE MADE INTO SOUTH DALLAS AREA.
MCKESSON'S GIFT LAST WEEK WAS THE LARGEST GIFT THEY'VE GIVEN IN THE HISTORY OF THEIR CORPORATION.
PEOPLE BELIEVE IN THIS PROJECT AND I THINK THAT'S WHY ALL OF US HAVE JUST STAYED BY IT.
'CAUSE IT DESERVES TO BE DELIVERED FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE EVERYBODY LISTED THERE.
AND THEN, UH, I THINK ONE MORE SLIDE WE MIGHT HAVE, BUT IT'S PART WHAT I DON'T HAVE JUST A NICE LITTLE THING TO SHOW YOU WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN YOU PEEL BACK THE PAGE OF THE PARKING LOT.
YOU GET TO SEE GREEN SPACE COME TO LIFE FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT DESERVES IT MOST.
UM, I GUESS I'LL KICK IT OFF OF QUESTIONS.
UM, WHO IS GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING AND MANAGING THE PARK POST CONSTRUCTION? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
UM, SO THAT IS A TOPIC THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED BETWEEN PARKS AND REC AND OURSELVES.
UM, CURRENTLY IT WOULD DEFAULT TO THE PARK AND REC DEPARTMENT.
SO OUR AGREEMENT ONLY GOES TO THE COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT, OF THE DESIGN AND BUILT.
AND SO, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS STILL BEING CONTEMPLATED BETWEEN US.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF RYAN WAS ADD ANYTHING.
CAN, CAN YOU RESTATE THAT? DR. FLOWERS? UH, RYAN SAID THAT THE CITY WILL ABSOLUTELY SEEKING A PARTNER.
CURRENTLY IT'S PARK AND REC AS A DEFAULT TO THE CONTRACT.
UM, BUT I WILL JUST GIVE, UH, ONE COMMENT ON IT IS, UH, WE DO HAVE, UM, AN OPTION THAT CAN CONVERT, WILL PRODUCE 2.5 MILLION OF MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONAL RIGHT AS THE PARK OPENS.
UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THERE PARK FIRST ARE, WE'RE DOING IS WORKING TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A COUPLE YEARS OF MAINTENANCE BECAUSE ALL OF THOSE PIECES BEING INVESTED BY SO MANY PARTNERS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PARK AND REC, IF THEY'RE THE MANAGER OF IT, OR PARTNERED WITH SOMEBODY, THAT IT GOES INTO A GOOD CHAPTER AND IT LOOKS AS BEAUTIFUL AS IT'S SUPPOSED TO.
UM, BOTH FOR THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO JUST FOR OUR CITY.
BUT THERE IS, THE GREAT NEWS IS THERE, IS THERE, AS HEATHER JUST MENTIONED, THERE WILL BE A NICE MAINTENANCE ENDOWMENT, UM, THAT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO UTILIZE, BUT WE RUN A HUNDRED PERCENT GONNA BE SEEKING OUR PARTNER TO HELP US MANAGE AND OPERATE THE SPACE.
YEAH, BECAUSE I DID KNOW, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, UM, WITH THE FOOD MARKET GETS CALLED ROOM, WHAT'S THAT MARKET GUESS? MARKET GROVE AND THE, YOU KNOW, 365 DAYS OF PROGRAM YOU CAN ALL THAT STUFF, YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY, I THINK THE PARK ACTUALLY DOES GENERALLY A GOOD JOB OF MAINTAINING THEIR PARTS.
ALL THINGS CONSIDERED FOR A BIG CITY.
NOT TYPICALLY IN YOUR GUYS' WHEELHOUSE TO THE PROGRAM AND THE ESTATE AND THE FOOD MARKETS AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.
AND ANOTHER ACT BONUS IS THE ARCHITECTS ARE ADHERING TO THE PARKING RECREATION STANDARDS FOR MAINTENANCE AND OVERHEAD SO THAT IT CAN BE EITHER ENHANCED AND OR MAINTAINED AT THE LEVEL IT NEEDS TO FOR STANDING.
I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS
YEAH, YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION.
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W WHAT NOW, NOW HELP ME OUT, JUST REFRESH MY MEMORY.UH, WHAT IS THE TOTAL, UH, AMOUNT OF, OF TIPPED FUNDS THAT WE HAVE NOW? UM, I DON'T HAVE THE CASH, UH, MR. DALE, THIS IS ANGELA HARDMAN.
I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON THE CASH BALANCE FOR THE GRAHAM HAR SOUTH TIFF DISTRICT.
BUT LET REMIND YOU THAT THE FUNDING REQUESTS TODAY ARE BEING SOURCED FROM THE DEAN, LT DISTRICT, UH, SUB DISTRICTWIDE SET ASIDE.
SO THE FUNDING IS COMING FROM DEAN ELLUM.
AND SO, BUT, BUT I, I THOUGHT THAT MONEY HAD ALREADY BEEN TRANSFERRED.
AND JUST REFRESH MY MEMORY, I THOUGHT THE MONEY PREVIOUSLY HAD BEEN TRANSFERRED AND WE DETERMINED THAT WE WANTED TO USE IT FOR HOME REPAIR AND HOUSING SUBSIDY AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS.
THIS PARTICULAR LINE ITEM WAS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND PLACES OF PUBLIC ASSEMBLY.
THE DISTRICT-WIDE SETA ASIDE, THE OTHER ONE FOR HOME REPAIR, THIS IS SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE HOME REPAIR TRANSFER.
BUT NEITHER ONE IS TRANSFERRED INTO THE DISTRICT.
IT'S, IT'S ALLOCATED TO THOSE VARIOUS, UH, UH, PROJECTS AND OR INITIATIVES.
AND SO THIS IS, AND THIS IS COMING FROM, UM, THE INFRASTRUCTURE LINE ITEM.
IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? CORRECT.
AND, AND HOW MUCH THE TRUCTURE OF PUBLIC ASSEMBLY AND HOW MUCH IS IN THAT LINE ITEM.
SO THIS IS VA FROM, UH, SENIOR, SENIOR MANAGER.
THE AMOUNT IS COMING FROM DEVELOP DISTRICT.
THE 20% SET ASIDE, THE DEVELOP CHIP AS ALLOCATED FOR GRAND PARK SOUTH AREA SINCE 2023.
THE TOTAL COLLECTION AS OF TODAY IS 5.8 MILLION.
AND IT'S PRIMARILY FOR GRAND PARK SOUTH AREA FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.
THIS IS THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
WHEN I SAY FIRST ITEM, YOUR IS ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS THE FAITH PARK FIRST FOR $3 MILLION.
AND THERE ARE TWO MORE ITEMS. THIS IS SOLELY COMING FROM DEVALUE DISTRICT FUNDS.
UH, THE AGGREGATE OF, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, THE AGGREGATE OF WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING OF DEBO AND PIF TIF FUND TOWARDS THIS PROJECT IS $4 MILLION.
SO IT'D BE 4 MILLION OF THE FIVE POINT, ALMOST FIVE, ALMOST $5.9 MILLION THAT'S BEEN COLLECTED IN YEAR MARKED FOR THIS CATEGORY OF EXPENDITURE THROUGH 3 MILLION FOR THE PROJECT.
PROCEDURALLY, HOW DOES THIS, THIS WORK? THE, UH, DEEP LT FUND MAKES A RECOMMENDATION, WHICH THE GRAND PARK SOUTH TIFF HAS TO APPROVE OR VOTE ON HOW DOES YES.
THE OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MAKES THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE TIFF BOARD AFTER VETTING THE PROJECTS AND, AND THOSE THINGS CONSIDERING THE FUNDING REQUESTS AND THE DEEP DEVELOP TIFF BOARD IS THE VOTING BODY FOR TODAY'S MEETING.
ON THESE AGENDA ON THESE AGENDA ITEMS, YES.
SEVEN, EIGHT, AND NINE WILL BE VOTED BY DEVELOP DISTRICT BOARD OF ELECTORS.
AND IT'S SOMETHING WE ASKED FOR.
UH, IT'S SO THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TOLD US BECAUSE OF THE STRUCTURE OF WHERE THE TIFF FUNDS WERE COMING FROM, THAT, THAT WE WOULD'VE TO VOTE ON THOSE GOING FORWARD.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET IN YOUR BUSINESS
I I HAD A QUESTION ON THE DESIGN.
UM, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, FOUR YEARS AGO WHEN THE MASTER PLAN OF THIS PROJECT INITIALLY CAME OUT, IT INCLUDED A GARAGE AS WELL TO, TO HANDLE THE DISPLACED PARKING.
UM, I, I THINK THE PARK IS, WOULD BE AN AMAZING IMPROVEMENT.
I WAS, I I GUESS MORE OUTTA CURIOSITY, UM, IS THAT EXISTING PARKING INVENTORY JUST REMOVED, UM, OR OTHER PLANS FOR A GARAGE IN THE FUTURE? ANY COMMENTARY ON THAT? I FEEL LIKE YES AND YES.
UM, SO WHEN WE ORIGINALLY, UH, CONTEMPLATED THIS, WHEN THE MASTER PLAN WAS PUBLISHED IN 2020, IT WAS BASED ON THAT THERE WASN'T A NEED FOR A ONE-TO-ONE REPLACEMENT OF THE PARKING THAT WAS ON.
THERE WASN'T NEEDED, UH, ONE-TO-ONE FOR, UH, REPLACEMENT OF THE PARKING THAT WAS THERE.
UH, THERE WAS WELL OVER 14,000 SPACES, UM, THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH AND THAT WE WERE SEEING, UH, CAR CULTURE
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SHIFTING SLIGHTLY.I'M NOT SAYING MET LIKE LARGE SWATHS, PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO AND BUY, CAN BE MULTIMODAL, BUT, UM, SO WHEN WE PUT THIS FORWARD, THE PARKING GARAGE, AS WE GOT THROUGH THE DESIGN, UH, AND THE PHASING AND THE FUNDING OF IT, UM, WE WERE HEARING PUSHBACK TO THE COMMUNITY ON THE SIZE OF IT.
UM, AND ALSO THE PHASING WASN'T GONNA GIVE US ANY MORE THAN WHAT WAS ALREADY THERE ON THE PARKING LOT THAT IT WAS GOING ON, WHICH WAS ADJACENT TO THE, THE COMMUNITY PARK SITE.
UM, SO WE WERE, WE WEREN'T REALLY SEEING A NEED FOR, YOU KNOW, A LARGE PRICE TAG ON SOMETHING THAT GIVES US NO NEW PARKING.
UM, SO WE DID WORK WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS TO MAKE SURE THAT OBVIOUSLY DO, UM, HAS WHAT THEY NEED.
'CAUSE THEY DO HAVE REGULAR USE OF THOSE LOTS AS WELL AS STATE FAIR.
UM, SO I CANNOT SPEAK TO WHAT, UH, THE NEW MANAGERS OF FAIR PARK ARE GOING TO BE DOING, BUT I DO, I DO ASSUME THAT, UM, GARAGES ARE IN OUR FUTURE AS, IS IT PROBABLY FOR A LOT OF, UM, SERVICE LOTS IN THE CITY.
WE WILL BE PURSUING A PARKING GARAGE IN THE FUTURE, BUT NOT AT THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT.
AND, AND JUST AS A NOTE, THERE IS A FULLY DESIGNED A HUNDRED PERCENT DV AVAILABLE FOR SOMEBODY TO LOOK AT.
THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION, ADAM.
IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO THE, UM, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE DEEP ELT BOARD WILL BE VOTING TODAY ON THIS AGENDA ITEM.
AND THEN IS THERE A ROLE FOR THE GRAND PARK S BOARD AS IT RELATES TO THIS AGENDA ITEM? WE'RE NOT, WELL, WE, WELL I'LL JUST SAY THIS, UH, IN MY UNDERSTANDING FORMALLY, MAYBE NOT, BUT I, AT THE RISK OF SPEAKING FOR THE REST OF THE DEBELL AND TIF BOARD, UM, WE, I MEAN, AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED, WHEN WE SET ASIDE THIS MONEY TO GO TO THIS AREA, IT WAS MEANT TO GO TO THIS AREA BASED ON WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED TO SEE.
AND SO WE A HUNDRED PERCENT, WE, WE LIKE THAT YOU ALL ARE HERE AND WANT TO HEAR YOUR OPINION ABOUT THIS PARK AND THIS USE OF THE FUNDS THAT WE EARMARKED FOR YOU ALL, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WAY WE'RE VOTING IS IN LINE WITH, WITH WHAT YOUR TIF BOARD WOULD LIKE TO SEE PROCEED THAT.
UM, SO FAIR, FAIR PARK HAS A LONG HISTORY OF BEING PERCEIVED AS, UM, NOT A PART OF THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK COMMUNITY.
UH, AND SO WE, THE PARK WILL BE A PARK OUTSIDE OF FAIR PARK OPERATED BY AN ENTITY TO BE ESTABLISHED AT SOME POINT.
UM, IS THERE A BUSINESS MODEL FOR SUSTAINABILITY? WILL THERE BE CHARGES TO UTILIZE THE PARK OR PAY FOR EVENTS HELD WITHIN THE PARK? HOW, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE, THE LONG TERM, UM, PROSPECTS OF THE PARK PARK BEING IN GREAT SHAPE FOR YEARS TO COME? THESE OTHER PARTS THAT WE'RE SEEING COMING UP SEEM TO HAVE PRIVATE ENTITIES THAT ARE RAISING MONEY AND TAKING ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF KEEPING THEM, UM, MOVING FORWARD.
YEAH, I'LL, I'LL BEGIN ANSWERING THE QUESTION.
SO, AS WE MENTIONED A MOMENT AGO, THE, THE DALLAS PARK SYSTEM WILL BE THE ENTITY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF IN OPERATIONS OF THE PARK ONCE IT'S ESTABLISHED.
HOWEVER, WE, UH, WILL STRONGLY BE SEEKING, UM, A THIRD PARTY TO HELP US WITH THE OPERATIONS MANAGEMENT.
MOST OF THE, MOST OF THE SIGNATURE PARKS THAT WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH IN DALLAS, THE DALLAS ZOO, BOROUGH PARK, WARREN, DALLAS, ET CETERA, ARE MANAGED BY NOT-FOR-PROFIT ENTITIES.
THEY'RE ABLE TO BRING A LOT OF RESOURCES TO THE TABLE.
THE CITY CANNOT, BUT WE WILL BE ABSOLUTELY PURSUING THAT MODEL.
UH, BUT UNTIL THAT, UNTIL THAT COMES TO PASS, UH, THE CITY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS IN THE PARK WITHIN THE PARK.
DOES THE CITY HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT THAT BUDGET WILL BE ON ANNUAL BASIS? YOU KNOW, BASED UPON THE DESIGN OF THE PARK, THERE'S A, AND AS HEATHER AND ALYSSA MENTIONED, IT REALLY IS COMPLIANT WITH A LOT OF OUR PARK STANDARDS.
SO ALTHOUGH THE, THE BUDGET HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED FOR THIS PARK, UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THROUGH OUR OWN BUDGET AT FAIR PARK UNTIL WE CAN IDENTIFY THAT PARTNER.
BUT A SPECIFIC, UH, DOLLAR FIGURE HAS NOT BEEN ATTRIBUTED TO THE MAINTENANCE BUDGET QUITE YET.
PLUS WITH THE ADDITIONAL SECURE FUNDING POST
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OPENING AS WELL.AND THERE IS THAT TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS ENDOWMENT WE'VE MENTIONED A COUPLE TIMES ALREADY.
AND SO WHAT I'M HEARING, UH, AS WELL, ONCE AGAIN, KINDA LIKE WHAT DR. FLOWERS, UH, RAISED IS THAT THE GRAND PARK SOUTH BOARD IS, IS REALLY, WE AS MEMBERS ARE REALLY NOT, UH, REQUIRED, UH, UH, TO SUPPORT OR NOT SUPPORT.
THAT, THAT, THAT WE REALLY DON'T HAVE TO, UH, VOTE ON THIS GIVEN ISSUE IS REALLY, UH, UH, IT IS REALLY A, UM, UH, THAT WHICH HAS BEEN ALREADY DETERMINED OR SHOULD BE DETERMINED, UH, BY DEEP ELEMENT, UH, TIFF BOARD.
UH, AND SO ONCE AGAIN, I'M JUST CONFIRMING THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, IT'S MORE INFORMATION.
IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
IF THE ANSWER'S YES, THAT'S FINE.
LEGALLY AND TECHNICALLY IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE ANSWER IS YES.
HOWEVER, WE DON'T WANNA SUPPORT OR OPPOSE SOMETHING AGAINST WHAT YOU ALL WANNA DO.
SO THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S SO CRITICAL TO HAVE YOUR FEEDBACK ON THIS BEFORE THE DEVELOPMENT OF BOARD VOTES AND, AND, AND WHEN WILL THEY VOTE? THE IDEA IS TO DO IT TODAY.
THE, UM, WHAT I, I MUST ADMIT, I'M, I, I, I'M, I'M SOMEWHAT, I SUPPORT IT COMPLETELY, BUT I'M CONFLICTED AS, AS RELATES TO THE OTHER NEEDS IN THE COMMUNITY.
I, I NEED TO, I NEED TO BE QUITE HONEST ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND, UM, LET, LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION, UM, UH, JUST FOR THE FUTURE THING, WHAT, WHAT ITEMS CAN BE CONSIDERED OTHER ITEMS THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THIS GIVEN LINE ITEM? SO MA'AM, IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE 20% SET, ASIDE FROM THE DEVELOP CHIP DISTRICT, THAT IS DEDICATED TOWARDS INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AND AREA OF PUBLIC ASSEMBLY.
SO THE
SO WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT SHIFT HAS KEPT THE 20% SET ASIDE, IT WAS DEDICATED TOWARDS THESE ITEMS ONLY.
AND I'LL JUMP IN AND ADD AS IT RELATES TO, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, SO TYPICALLY WE SEE THINGS LIKE, UM, IF THERE'S A NEED TO PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF SEWER SERVICE OR WATER.
IF, IF A DEVELOPMENT IS COMING INTO THE AREA AND THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE IS INADEQUATE TO SUPPORT IT, THEN THAT COULD BE A POTENTIAL ELIGIBLE, UM, REQUEST FOR TIF FUNDING FROM THAT LINE ITEM.
SO IT'S TWO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH TYPICALLY TAKE THE, UM, TAKE THE FORM OF YOUR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND GENERAL STREETS, ROADS, SEWER, WATER, AND THEN PLACES OF PUBLIC ASSEMBLY GENERALLY ARE YOUR PARKS.
OR IF THERE IS A NEED FOR A PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, UM, POTENTIALLY IT COULD BE, UH, PAID FOR OUT OF THAT LINE ITEM.
AND SO THOSE ARE JUST A FEW EXAMPLES OF, UH, ELIGIBLE PROJECTS THAT COULD BE APPLIED OR COULD APPLY FOR THE USE OF THESE FUNDS TO MAKE SURE, UH, THAT WE, UH, UNDERSTAND CLEARLY.
AND, AND MAYBE, MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE, UH, UH, IT SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO US, THE ELIGIBLE, UH, PROJECTS PER LINE ITEM.
UH, AND, UH, I KNOW WE HAD HOME REPAIR, WE GOT INFRASTRUCTURE JUST LIKE, IS THAT, IS YOUR LAST NAME MS. LEAK? IS THAT WHAT I SAW? YES.
AND I THINK ANGELA CAN SHARE WITH YOU.
UH, TYPICALLY WHEN WE PREPARE OUR BUDGETS AND WE CREATE THE DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS WITHIN YOUR PROJECT PLAN AND REINVESTMENT ZONE FINANCING PLAN, THERE'S A DESCRIPTION OF THE TYPES OF, UM, PROJECTS THAT THAT PARTICULAR LINE ITEM COULD BE USED TO SUPPORT.
AND SO, UM, WE'LL HAVE, UM, ANGELA, WE'LL GO BACK AND WE'LL KIND OF HIGHLIGHT FOR YOU THOSE SPECIFIC USES.
AND I THINK, UM, WE'LL PROBABLY BE SENDING YOU FROM THE DEEP EL FINANCING PLAN, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THIS SET ASIDE IS FROM.
BUT IT WILL SH IT WILL SHOW IN THERE WHAT OUR ELIGIBLE USES OF THOSE FUNDS.
AND, AND I REALLY THINK WE GET THAT TO YOU.
AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO PAUSE TO THOROUGHLY GO THROUGH THAT, UH, UH, WITH, WITH, WITH STAFF, UH, LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM, UH, UH, BECAUSE WHILE I SUPPORT THIS, I,
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I KNOW THERE ARE GONNA BE QUESTIONS OUT THERE IF, IF WE HAVE OTHER PRIORITIES THAT ARE IN THE HEART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN THE HEART OF THE COMMUNITY.SO, UM, IN THE HEART OF SOUTH DALLAS PROPER.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M RAISING, UH, UH, THESE QUESTIONS.
UH, EVEN AT, AT THIS TIME I'M IN, UH, GO AHEAD.
I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT ANYBODY OFF.
I, I'M JUST SAYING, UM, I'M IN A USUAL SPACE 'CAUSE I, I KINDA WORK ON THIS.
UM, I, I THINK THIS IS A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.
I, I THINK WE HAVE REALLY WORKED HARD ON THIS PROJECT.
UH, I'M GRATEFUL THAT WE HAVE THIS MECHANISM TO GET SOME FUNDING, UH, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT JUST FOR ONE DISTRICT, IT'S FOR THE WHOLE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
UH, SO I AM, UH, EXCITED ABOUT THIS, THIS POSSIBILITY AND JUST WANT TO GO ON RECORD TO SAY THAT I DO SUPPORT THIS.
I'LL DO ALL SUPPORT TO SEE HOW TIFF DERS CAN WORK CLOSELY TOGETHER, SEE HOW WE CAN JUST MUTUALLY, UH, TRANSFORM OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE LOVE AND THAT WE LIVE IN AND THAT WE SERVE.
AND I THINK OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THIS MAKE THAT POSSIBLE.
SO I'M JUST GRATEFUL TO BE A PART OF, UH, OF THIS, THIS, THIS OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE THIS FAR FORWARD.
ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE, EITHER OF THE BOARD MEMBERS DEVELOP OR, UH, GRANT FUNDS OUT BOARD MEMBERS? THAT'S THE POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
YOU SHOWED SOME NUMBERS, UH, SHOWING 33 MILLION RAISE, I THINK WHERE'S THE ACCOUNTING FOR THE 5 MILLION THAT YOU MENTIONED, WHICH WAS, UH, SPENT INAPPROPRIATELY? UH, YES SIR.
IS THAT PART OF THE 33 MILLION OR IS THAT, I THINK HE'S TALKING SPECIFICALLY 30, 33 0.1 MILLION AS SO ON THE SOURCES AND USE IS AVAILABLE FUNDING.
AND IT DOES NOT INCLUDE, UNFORTUNATELY, THE MISUSED, UH, FUNDS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY, I, I'M NOT PART OF THAT COMPONENT OF IT, BUT NEITHER IS ALYSSA, BUT THE PREVIOUS MANAGER DID MISUSE IT FOR OPERATIONS ON FAIR PARK.
33 MILLION IS AVAILABLE TWO DAY USED IN THIS PARK AND IS SECURED THROUGH SOME VERY TIME SPECIFIC MECHANISMS TO DELIVER THAT TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND UM, SO WE, WE DO HAVE A TIGHT TIMELINE TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING GETS PUT IN PLACE, BUT 33.1 MILLION IS AVAILABLE TODAY.
YOU HAVE THE NUMBER ON HOW MUCH HAS BEEN RAISED ON THE PROJECT? YES.
THE TOTAL, THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT HAS BEEN RAISED FOR THE PROJECT.
DO YOU KNOW THAT NUMBER? THE TOTAL AVAILABLE RAISE IS 33.1 MILLION.
NOTICE THE SOURCE USE THAT SHOWS ALL SOURCES AND USE FOR THE FUNDS.
AND IT DOES INCLUDE THE MISSPENT FUNDING IN EXPENSES.
SO THE 12 HAS TO, BECAUSE IT'S PART OF, IT'S AN EXPENSE.
SOME OF THOSE, NOT ALL, BECAUSE SOME WAS IDENTIFIED AS, OKAY, SO THE CURRENT FUNDRAISING GAP IS 7.5 MILLION.
SO WITH THE SUPPORT, UH, DR. FLOWERS FROM, UH, IF THE TIP BOARD DOES VOTE ON THAT TODAY, I'LL TAKE IT DOWN TO 4.5 AND THEN WE WOULD SEEK THE 4.5 FROM THE PHILANTHROPIC COMMUNITY TO BE RAISED WITHIN THE TIMEFRAME ALLOCATED WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO WE'RE CLOSER THAN EVER IN DELIVERING THIS ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO ACTUALLY YOU HAVE RAISED MORE THAN 33 MILLION FOR OTHER PROJECT.
MOST OF THAT WAS USED FOR OPERATING, YOU'RE CORRECT.
THAT FAIR PARK FIRST HA HA, FAIR PARK FIRST HAS RAISED MORE FUNDS THAN THIS FOR ALL OF FAIR PARK.
I JUST WANTING TO KNOW IF THE 5.7 THAT WAS, THAT IDENTIFIES MS.
SO ONE, DON'T WE EXPLAIN THAT REAL QUICK? SO THE 5.7, UM, FROM WHAT THE AUDIT PRODUCED SHOWED A PORTION OF FUNDING MISSPENT, THAT 5.7 WAS NOT ALL THE COMMUNITY PARK THAT RIGHT? ONLY ABOUT 3 MILLION WAS THE COMMUNITY PARK.
UM, THE OTHER WERE FOR OTHER PROJECTS ON THE CAMPUS.
SO THE TOTAL PROJECT, UH, FAIR PARK FIRST IS RAISING ALL OF THE FUNDS FOR THE PROJECT.
SOME OF THAT INCLUDES MONEY FOR THE PARK SPECIFICALLY, AND THEN SOME OF THAT INCLUDES MONIES NEEDED TO RAISE THE MONEY FOR, UH, FOR THE PARK.
SO I'M NO, I, I'LL JUST MAKE, I WANNA, LET ME MAKE IT REALLY, 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT THIS CAN GET CONFUSING AND, AND BELIEVE ME, I COULD NOT BE MORE HEARTBROKEN ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST.
BUT LOOKING FORWARD CURRENTLY, FAIR PARK FIRST HAS A GAP OF 7.5 MILLION FOR THE COMMUNITY PARK.
THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROJECT IS 40.5
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OF WHICH YOU CAN, DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE THIS AVAILABLE? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE.I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU HAVE IT.
THE, THE 7.5 GAP IS FOR CONSTRUCTION AND BUILDING THE PARK ONLY, CORRECT? YES SIR.
IT'S FOR NOTHING ELSE BUT THAT COMMUNITY PARK.
AND THE MONEYS TO, UH, CREATE THE PROMOTIONAL MATERIALS TO, UH, HAVE THE OPENING CELEBRATION.
ALL OF THOSE ITEMS ARE IN THIS BUDGET.
YOU CAN SEE THE LINE ITEMS OF WHERE THE COSTS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH, AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THEY'RE BEING SPENT.
I BELIEVE THERE IS A GROUNDBREAKING AND RIBBON CUTTING EXPENSE OF $50,000, WHICH IS MOSTLY FOR COMMUNITY ACTIVATION COMPONENTS.
FOR THE GROUNDBREAKING, IT IS A VERY LEAN BUDGET.
UH, I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OF IT IS ALL GOING TOWARDS ON THE VERY FIRST LINE PARK CONSTRUCTION C MURPHY'S GENERAL CONDITION, AND THEN ESCALATION AND CONTINGENCY ON HARD COST ONLY.
AND BOARD MEMBERS, WE'LL MAKE SURE YOU GET A COPY OF THIS.
THIS WAS, THIS PRESENTATION WAS UPDATED LATE ON THURSDAY AND FRIDAY WAS A HOLIDAY.
UM, BUT I'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT GOES OUT TODAY, UH, TO YOU SO YOU CAN HAVE AN ELECTRONIC COPY OF IT.
AND, AND JUST FROM PREVIOUS, UM, SOURCES AND USES I'VE SEEN SHARED, WE TRY TO BE AS VERY DETAILED AS POSSIBLE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT MANY OF THEM ARE THIS DETAILED.
AND HEATHER, JUST IN CASE, UM, THE ATTENDEES, 'CAUSE WE HAD PROBLEMS WITH THE HEARING, UH, THE SOUND EARLIER.
DO YOU WANNA UNDERSCORE THE SAFEGUARDS THAT YOU ALL HAVE PUT IN PLACE, BOTH IN THE, THE ABSOLUTELY THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND HOW THE ALLOCATION OF FUNDS CAN'T BE CO-MINGLED? ABSOLUTELY.
SO, UH, DR. FLOWERS, BECAUSE OF THAT INCIDENT, UM, A LOT OF PROTOCOLS HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE WITH FAIR PARK FIRST AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY THAT ARE PROBABLY THE MOST STRINGENT PROTOCOLS IN ANY PROJECT WITH A PARTNERSHIP IN THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS.
SO WITH THAT, ALL PUBLIC FUNDING STATE AND FEDERAL ARE GO, THEY GO THROUGH THE CITY'S AUDITING PROCESS AND THE STATE AND FEDERAL AUDITING PROCESSES.
SO IT HAS A THREE COMB EFFECT OF FINANCIAL CONTROLS, AND THAT'S FOR THE STATE AND FEDERAL, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON THE SOURCES AND USES IS ABOUT 13 MILLION IF YOU ADD IT UP.
AND THEN ADDITIONALLY ON THE PHILANTHROPIC, THE DALLAS FOUNDATION, UM, WHICH IS, UH, ONE OF THE OLDEST COMMUNITY FOUNDATIONS IN THE CITY IS THE PHILANTHROPIC MANAGER FOR THOSE FUNDS.
SO ALL FUNDING GOES DIRECTLY TO THE DALLAS FOUNDATION AND ALSO GOES TO THE CITY BEFORE IT'S RELEASED TO PAY BILLS.
UM, FAIR PARK FIRST HAS TO SUBMIT ALL OF THE BILLS IN ADVANCE TO BE VETTED, TO BE REVIEWED.
AND THAT ONLY AT THAT TIME ARE THOSE PAID.
AND SO IT HAS QUITE A BIT OF CONSTRAINTS.
FAIR PARK FIRST DOES NOT RECEIVE THE FUNDS DIRECTLY UNTIL THEY'VE BEEN VETTED BY ALMOST FOUR DIFFERENT SOURCES.
UH, ASIDE FROM THIS PROJECT, WHAT IS THE ANNUAL BUDGET FOR FAIR PARK FIRST, BESIDES THIS PROJECT? I MEAN, IT, THIS IS BEING TREATED VERY SIMILAR TO HALFORD PARK AND ALL THE OTHER FAIR PARK.
FIRST OPERATING BUDGET IS LESS THAN $200,000 A YEAR.
AND THOSE FUNDS ARE RAISED SEPARATELY.
SO THE STAFF ACCOUNTING, THEY'RE ALSO LEAN AND MEAN STAFF ACCOUNTING AND DEVELOPMENT LINE OF OVER, UH, 1.2 MILLION IS PART OF A SEPARATE BUDGET OR IT'S A PART OF THE FUNDING.
THOSE ARE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, ACCOUNTING SERVICES.
THAT FAIR PARK FIRST HAD TO HIRE A CFO FOR THIS PROJECT SPECIFICALLY.
THIS IS THE ONLY PROJECT THAT FAIR PARK FIRST IS DOING.
THESE ARE ALL CUMULATIVE AND CURRENT EXPENSES SINCE 2002.
THEY GAVE A CUMULATIVE SOURCES AND USES.
SO IT'S OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME, NOT JUST THE CURRENT TIME.
SO THE 200,000 FAIR PARK FIRST BUDGET IS NOT A PART OF THIS PROJECT? NO.
THEY HAVE TO RAISE SEPARATE FUNDS FOR OPERATIONS.
BECAUSE THEY DON'T FALL UNDER COMMUNITY PARK EXPENSE.
I APPRECIATE YOUR QUESTIONS AND IF THERE'S ANY OTHERS THAT I CAN ANSWER FOR YOU, I CAN MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE IN A
WHAT, UM, WHY 3 MILLION VERSUS 1 MILLION? I MEAN, RECOMMENDATION? WELL, I'M JUST SAYING, OR VERSUS 5 MILLION.
I MEAN, WHY, WHY, WHY, WHY THAT? WELL, SO ALL THE FUNDS CURRENTLY HAVE TO BE SECURED BY MID-FALL.
AND SO IN LOOKING AT A TRAJECTORY OF WHAT WOULD BE REASONABLE AND FEASIBLE, UM, THROUGH SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNCILMAN BA AND SEVERAL OTHERS, UM, THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE LANDED ON THAT WOULD GIVE US,
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UH, A MOST ACHIEVABLE TRAJECTORY.ONE OF THE THING THAT MIGHT BE WORTH NOTING ON THAT, OR JUST FOR GENERAL EDUCATION, FOR THOSE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE DEBELL AND TIF, OUR TIF IS SET TO EXPIRE AT THE END OF NEXT YEAR.
SO WE HAVE A TO WHAT NOW OPPORTUNITY, WHAT OUR, OUR TIP EXPIRES AT THE END OF NEXT YEAR.
AND IF WE DON'T USE THE FUNDS BY THEN, THEY GET SWEPT INTO THE GENERAL FUND FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA USE 'EM OR LOSE 'EM SCENARIO RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, AT LEAST PERSONALLY, IF WE HAVE VIABLE PROJECTS THAT GENERALLY AS COMMUNITY SUPPORT THAT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, IN THIS CASE LONG OVERDUE, I WOULD HATE TO SEE THOSE FUNDS JUST VANISH AND NOT HELP GET THIS THING ACROSS THE FINISH LINE.
AND YOU WILL HAVE, THAT'S MY PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE AT LEAST.
AND WE'LL HAVE A MORE THAN ONE FOR ONE MATCH FOR IT, BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE THAT REMAINING.
AND TO YOUR POINT, MS. RAGSDALE, UM, IT ALLOWS US TO ACTUALLY MATCH THOSE DOLLARS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN ONE FOR ONE.
I, I THINK JOHN SAID IT WELL, AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH HIS COMMENTARY.
I MEAN, UH, UH, BECAUSE OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, IT'S SO TIGHT WITH THE WINDOW AND I THINK WE ARE SO CLOSE TO THE FINISH LINE.
WE NEED TO USE EVERY AND ANY MECHANISMS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO GET THIS PROJECT COMPLETED.
AND I, I THINK, UM, ALTHOUGH NOTHING HINDSIGHT IS ALWAYS 2020, I THINK WE HAVE A, A PRIME OPTIMAL MOMENT, UH, TO REALLY MAKE A GIANT LEAP FORWARD AND TO DELIVER THIS PROJECT.
UM, AND CONSIDERING THE EXPIRATION OF THE DEVELOP TIFF, I THINK IT'S INTER, IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF FUNDING THAT WE CAN.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT THERE'S A MATCH AND THIS 3 MILLION WILL TURN INTO 6 MILLION LEAVING? OH, YES, BECAUSE LESS THAN A MILLION TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT, WE HAVE A GAP OF 7.5.
SO WITH 3 MILLION SECURED FROM TIFF, WE WOULD BE RAISING THE REMAINING FUNDS, WHICH WOULD THEN PULL TOGETHER.
AND UM, AND ALSO THESE FUNDS FROM TIP ARE NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE DISPERSED UNTIL TOWARDS THE END OF THE PROJECT.
SO I THOUGHT I, SO YES, YES, IT WOULD BE MATCHED DR. FLOWERS.
IT'S AN UNSECURED MATCH THOUGH, CORRECT? WE HAVE SOME.
WELL, AT THIS TIME, AT THIS TIME, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR A MATCH, BUT, UM, WE HAVE TO RAISE THE FUNDS OR THE PROJECT DOESN'T GET BUILT.
YEAH, I I THINK THAT THE POINT SHE'S TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE REIMBURSEMENT STRUCTURE WITH TIFF FUNDS, THEY'RE USUALLY THE LAST FUNDS RELEASED.
SO IF THEY CAN'T RAISE THE REMAINING, YOU KNOW, FOUR AND A HALF, THREE AND A HALF, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, MILLION DOLLARS, THEN THE TIFF FUNDS NEVER ACTUALLY GO OUT.
YEAH, I THOUGHT SHE SAID YEAH, SHE ALREADY HAD THAT.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD TOO.
AND, AND, AND MS. DALE, YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS AT LEAST FOR ME WERE VERY WELL TAKEN.
UM, UM, WE DID, IF MEMORY SERVES, UH, I BELIEVE THEA TOUCHED ON THIS AS WELL, WE DID SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATE OTHER FUNDS FOR NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION AND OTHER USES IN Y'ALL'S AREA SEPARATE FROM WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
AND THERE WILL BE STILL MONEY LEFT OVER EVEN WITHIN THIS DEBELL TIFF INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDS FOR SOUTH DALLAS AND FAIR PARK.
SO I, WE CAN 100% CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT OTHER USE OF FUNDS, UM, THAT MIGHT BE OF INTEREST TO YOU ALL.
I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
UH, AND I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT ALONG WITH THE FACT WE JUST NEED TO COME TOGETHER STRICTLY TO DISCUSS THAT AS WELL AS THE ELIGIBLE, UH, USES OVERALL.
UH, AND, AND I I, I DON'T WANT TO BE OFFENSIVE, BUT UH, UH, 'CAUSE I LOVE HIM DEARLY, BUT IS DR. TODD ATKINS ABLE TO VOTE SINCE HE'S ON THE BOARD? I JUST NEED TO HAVE A CLARIFICATION WITH THAT.
I KNOW, I KNOW HE IS BEEN TALKING, SPEAKING ON THE ISSUE AND AT THE SAME
SO I'M JUST DEALING WITH THE POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
I LOVE THEM DEARLY, BUT I DON'T WANT US TO LEGALLY GET INTO ANY ISSUES.
UH, WELL THANKFULLY THAT SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM SINCE TECHNICALLY IT'S ONLY THE DEVOL BOARD MEMBERS VOTING ON THIS AGENDA.
AND I'LL ALSO NOTE THAT DR UH, ATKINS DID MAKE US AWARE OF THAT, UH, OF HIS POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST LAST WEEK.
AND WE LET HIM KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE APPRECIATED THE PRECAUTION, BUT THAT HE, UH, THE GRAND
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PARK OFFICE BOARD MEMBERS WERE, WERE PROVIDING FEEDBACK, NOT VOTING TODAY.SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN OPENED UP WITH BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THINKING THAT TOO.
YEAH, I'LL, I'LL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF ANYBODY ON THE DEBU BOARD WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, MO MOTION TO VOTE ON THE APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT.
UH, WE, WE STILL COR BECAUSE WE HAVE JEFF, EVAN AND CORBIN CO.
DO WE, UH, SECOND JOHN, UH, CORBIN, ARE YOU SECONDING? IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? YES.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR, OR QUESTIONS? UM, I, I JUST, I'LL ADD ONE LAST, ONE LAST PIECE JUST 'CAUSE I CAN'T HELP MYSELF, MAYBE LIKE, TURN MYSELF PROPERLY, BUT THIS HAS BEEN LONG OVERDUE.
WE USED TO HAVE A BIG PORTFOLIO OVER IN EXPOSITION PARK.
I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE CHILDREN'S AQUARIUM FOR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS NOW.
I TAKE MY KIDS INTO FAIR PARK PROBABLY 20, 30 TIMES A YEAR.
THIS IS, THIS IS A CHANCE TO, TO FIX A LOT OF HISTORICAL MISTAKES, OR AT LEAST PARTIALLY FIXED, I SHOULD SAY.
UM, AND I AM AM HAPPY AND AND PROUD THAT THOSE OF US IN DEEP EL CAN, CAN DO OUR PART TO HELP GET YOUR PROJECT ACROSS THE FINISH LINE.
UM, SO THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL THE WORK YOU'VE DONE.
UM, AND WE'RE JUST HAPPY TO PLAY OUR ONE SMALL RULE IN, IN THINGS.
SO WITH THAT, UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
NUMBER EIGHT, REVIEW AND CONSIDER REQUEST BY THE CITY'S PARK AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT AND AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $500,000 FROM THE DEPOT AND T DISTRICT SET ASIDE FOR GRAND PARK SOUTH AREA INFRASTRUCTURE PLACES A PUBLIC ASSEMBLY FOR DESIGN ENGINEERING SERVICES RELATED TO THE NORTH PHASE OF THE FAIR PARK LOOP TRAIL PROJECT IN THE GRAND PARK SOUTH AREA, LOCATED WITHIN AND ADJACENT TO FAIR PARK AND THE GRAND PARK SOUTH AREA.
UM, THE, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDED ACTION IS APPROVED AND FORWARD RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL.
IS THERE YES ON THAT? SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, UM, BRIAN O'CONNOR, AND I BELIEVE CAMERON LEWIS WAS ON THE CALL TOO FROM THE PARK OF RECREATION DEPARTMENT.
YOU ALL RECEIVED A PROJECT SUMMARY FOR THIS, THIS FUNDING REQUEST AS WELL.
AND THEY ARE HERE TO, UH, BRIEF YOU ON THE EMPHASIS OF THIS PROJECT AND GIVE THE KEY POINTS OF INTEGRATION BECAUSE IT'S, IT INTEGRATES WITH OTHER PROJECTS.
UM, SO, SO I'LL JUST SAY THAT, UM, SHOULD THE, SHOULD THE BOARD, UH, BE WILLING TO SUPPORT THIS, IT WOULD ACCOMPLISH TWO GOALS.
ONE OF WHICH IS TO, AND MAYBE WE CAN KIND OF KEEP UP WITH THAT TO, TO BETTER ILLUSTRATE, BUT IT ACCOMPLISHES THE GOAL OF DESIGNING THE NORTHERN CONNECTION OF THE FAIR PARK LOOP.
IT ALSO, UM, KIND OF UNLOCKS THE FUNDING AND FINDINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE LOOP.
SO, UM, HERE ON THE MAP, THE GREEN DESCRIBES THE, THE SOUTHERN PORTION.
THIS IS PERRY AVENUE, THIS IS COLUMN, THIS IS FITZ U THE NORTHERN PORTION IS IN THE BLUE, WHICH IS KIND OF A, A PARKING AREA ON THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE CAMPUS, SLIGHTLY COMING DOWN TO GATE 11, UM, ALONG
SO THIS IS A PROJECT THAT'S BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR SOME TIME, AND WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A FUNDING SHORTFALL, UH, FOR THE BLUE, FOR THE NORTHERN ALIGNMENT.
AND AGAIN, THIS, THIS, UM, POT MONEY, THIS $500,000 WOULD GO TOWARDS COMPLETING DESIGN OF THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE FAIR PARK LOOP.
AND IT WOULD ALSO, UM, KICK OFF THE, THE FUNDING FOR THE SOUTHERN PORTION.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT THE CAUCUS TOLD US IS IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO FULLY THE BLUE, THEY WILL ACCELERATE THE GREEN.
AND THEN, UM, FOR THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION, WHAT'S THE, THE
SO THE GREEN NOT THROUGH THE RTCR? CORRECT.
THE BLUE STILL HAS THE FUNDING GAP.
SO SHOULD THE BOARD, UM, ALLOCATE THE 500,000 TO APPROVED BY COUNCIL? OF COURSE WE'LL STILL HAVE ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF SHORTFALL FOR THE NORTHERN ALIGNMENT.
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RESOLVED EITHER THROUGH SEEKING ADDITIONAL COUNTY FUNDS GRANT OPPORTUNITIES, OR AT A WORST CASE WOULD BE A FUTURE BOND PROGRAM.BUT WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT SHOULD WE BE ABLE TO GET TO 500,000, WHICH WILL SECURE THE DESIGN FUNDS, WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO CLOSE THAT MILLION AND A HALF GAP AND HAVE THE FULL COMPLETE FAIR PARK LOOP THAT WILL, UM, PROVIDE ACCESS THERE AT, UH, FITZ HU AND PERRY, WHICH IS WHERE THE SANTA FE TRAIL COMES INTO FAIR PARK.
AND IT'D JUST BE REALLY COOL TO HAVE A FULL LOOP, COMPLETELY CONTINUOUS ALL THE WAY AROUND FAIR PARK.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM ANYBODY? THIS IS A BITE TRAIL.
IS THERE A, UH, SECTION OR ANYTHING THAT SHOWS JUST KIND OF WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE RELATIVE TO, UM, THE STREETS, ET CETERA, IN TERMS OF LIKE WIDTHS OF THE BIKE TRAIL? IS IT SHELTERED FROM CARS? ANY, ANY IMAGERY YOU COULD SHARE ON THAT? SO WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY STOP ASSIGN THIS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, DRAWINGS THAT REALLY ILLUSTRATED.
THIS WILL BE VERY SIMILAR TO ANY LINEAR TRAIL YOU SEE THROUGHOUT DALLAS.
IT'LL BE APPROXIMATELY 12 FEET WIDE.
IT WILL, UM, BE INSIDE THE GATES.
UM, SO THERE WON'T BE ANY VEHICULAR, UM, CHALLENGES WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DURING THE STATE PERIOD OF TEXANS BECAUSE SOME OF THAT AREA IS PARKING.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO KIND OF COORDINATE THAT.
BUT AS FAR AS ANY ROADWAY CONFLICTS, THERE WON'T BE ANY ON THE NORTHERN PIECE.
AND ARE, ARE THERE, JUST IF IT'S INSIDE THE GATES, ARE THERE ANY ISSUES WITH IT NOT BEING ACCESSIBLE ASIDE FROM JUST THE STATE FAIR? I MEAN, ARE THERE HOURS WHERE THAT'S GONNA BE CLOSED OR IS IT PREDOMINANTLY OPEN? YOU KNOW, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ACCESS IT.
UH, THE INSIDE THE NORTHERN PORTION, UH, RIGHT THERE AT THE, THE DETERMINANTS OF THE SANTA FE RIGHT THERE AT GATE THREE.
SO IT'S GONNA DIRECTLY OFF TO SANTA FE? THAT'S RIGHT.
I WAS THE GREEN SECTION OF THE LOOP.
HOW WAS THAT FUNDED? IT WAS FUNDED BY FEDERAL DOLLARS THROUGH THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER ITEM WHICH WILL BE COMING FROM THE
UM, IF THERE ISN'T ANYTHING ELSE, I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS ONE.
UH, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ABLE TO COME TO THE DEEP L TIPS BOARD WITH PROJECTS, UH, OR OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU MIGHT CONSIDER.
IF IT FALLS WITHIN THE RULES OF THE RESTRUCTURE OF THE FUNDS.
AND THEN THOSE WOULD, THOSE WOULD GO THROUGH A SIMILAR PROCESS WHERE YOU WOULD VOTE? UM, YEAH.
THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WITH THE USUAL STAFF.
THE THINGS HAPPEN WITH STAFF AND THEN WE GIVE IT AS A BOARD IN A SETTING LIKE THIS.
IS THERE ANY CITY STAFF IN THE ROOM THAT IS FAMILIAR WITH THE MLK CORRIDOR INFRASTRUCTURE? UM, NEW STREET IS DESIGN THAT'S SUPPOSED, THAT IS BEING PROPOSED.
AND WE'VE WORKED, UM, THAT'S MOSTLY THE, THE, THE TRANSPORTATION OF PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, BUT WE'RE PRETTY AWARE OF EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON FOR THAT.
WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY FUNDING REQUESTS.
UH, THAT'S MOSTLY FEDERAL STATE HOURS BELIEVE WITH THAT.
IS IT FULLY FUNDED? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
UM, BUT WE HAVE RECEIVED ANY FUNDING REQUESTS RECEIVED.
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MAKING SURE THAT, UH, THERE'D BE KNOW CLEARLY THE ELIGIBLE AND UNDERSTAND CLEARLY THE ELIGIBLE, UH, PROJECTS THAT WHICH IS ELIGIBLE.UM, THE, UH, UH, UH, ARE WE FINISHED WITH ALL THE POSSIBLE MOTIONS? 'CAUSE I DO HAVE A QUESTION RELATED TO NO, WE HAVE, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE TWO MORE AGENDA ITEMS. ONE FOR THE DEBO TIFF AND ONE FOR THE GRAND PARK SOUTH TIFF DISTRICT.
AND THAT WILL BE DONE WITH OUR, OUR AGENDA.
AND BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, UM, I JUST WANNA ADD THAT, UH, LEGALLY WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DISCUSS ANYTHING THAT'S NOT POSTED ON OUR AGENDA.
AND SO FOR BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE SEEKING CLARIFICATION ON POTENTIAL PROJECTS THAT THEY THINK WILL BE A GOOD CANDIDATE FOR USE OF THESE FUNDS, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR TIF DISTRICT MANAGER AND THEY COULD TALK ABOUT THOSE SPECIFIC PROJECTS WITH YOU AND GO OVER ANY, ANY, ANY INFORMATION YOU NEED.
BUT IF THOSE PROJECTS ARE NOT ON OUR AGENDA FOR TODAY, WE LEGALLY CAN'T DISCUSS THEM.
CAN WE, CAN WE AT LEAST ASK ABOUT A STATUS, UH, OF, OF, OF DR.
MORGAN'S, UH, UH, UH, PROJECT FAR AS AVENUE HOSPITAL STATUS? NO, BUT YOU GOT YOUR QUESTION IN AND, UM, ANGELA WILL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON THE STATUS OF THAT, OF THAT.
SO WHILE YOU CAN'T ASK IT, WE KNOW WHAT YOU WANT A FOLLOW UP ON AND WE'LL ENSURE THAT YOU GET IT.
WELL, YEAH, I THINK WE NEED TO SEND THAT OUT TO ALL OF OUR MEMBERS.
BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED THAT IT'S BEEN SOLD.
UH, MOVING ON TO AGENDA LABOR NUMBER NINE.
UH, REVIEW AND CONSIDER REQUEST BY, AND I HAVE A CORRECTION HERE ON THIS PART BY THE CITY'S OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND COORDINATION WITH DALLAS WATER UTILITIES, NOT JUST DALLAS WATER UTILITIES.
UH, AND IS IT STILL CITY'S TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC WORKS SERVICES? YES.
AND CITY'S TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT OF AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $500,000 FOR THE DEPOT TIF DISTRICT SET ASIDE FOR GRAND PARK SOUTH AREA INFRASTRUCTURE AND PLACES OF PUBLIC ASSEMBLY FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES RELATED TO THE WATER WASTEWATER, STORMWATER PAVING AND TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS ASSESSMENT STUDY FOR THE MLK JUNIOR STATION, JV JACKSON JUNIOR TRANSIT CENTER DEVELOPMENT AREA, GENERALLY FOCUSED ON A ONE HALF MILE RADIUS FROM THE MLK JUNIOR STATION, JB JACKSON JUNIOR TRANSIT CENTER, AND THE GRAND PARK SOUTH AREA.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDED ACTION IS APPROVED FOR THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL
AND SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE, UM, THIS IS THE LAST FUNDING REQUEST, NOT THE AGENDA, LAST AGENDA ITEM, BUT WE HAVE, UM, REPRESENTATIVES FROM, UH, WHILE THIS PROJECT MIGHT APPEAR TO BE LESS SEXY THAN THE OTHER ONES, IT IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND I, AND I'M JUST GONNA IMPART THIS, THAT I PARTICIPATE WITH THE POINT SOUTH REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE ON A REGULAR BASIS AND PROBABLY THE THEME OF EVERY MEETING AND THE, THIS, THIS GROUP IS COMPRISED OF THE MAJOR LAND OWNERS IN SOUTH DALLAS, BUT THE THEME OF IT IS WE LACK INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THE LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE IS A DETERRENT FOR GROWTH FOR DEVELOPERS TO COME IN BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPERS, IF YOU, IF THE EVERYTHING UNDER GROUND IS NOT THERE, THAT'S ADDED COST.
SO, UM, AGAIN, NOT SEXY, BUT VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
AND WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES, UM, FROM, UH, DALLAS WATER UTILITIES.
WE HAVE BLUEPAY BAILEY HERE, AND WE HAVE ABDU KHAN HERE TO DISCUSS THE ENGINEER, THE PART, UH, AREAS OF THIS STUDY, WHICH ARE PRETTY HEAVY.
IF, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON, ON THAT.
THE FUNDING IS, THE FUNDING IS FOR A STUDY TO BE CONDUCTED FOR A STUDY TO ASSESS THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS.
AND YOU, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
DR. FLOWERS IS A STUDY TO, UH, UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOR POTENTIAL, UH, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN A A HALF MILE RADIUS OF THE DARK, UH, THE MLK DARK AREA STATION.
IT STARTED WITH, UM, UH, ABOUT APPROXIMATELY 18 LAND OWNERS THAT WERE INTERESTED IN DEVELOPMENT, BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE WASN'T THERE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DECIDED WAS PROBABLY A BETTER OPPORTUNITY WAS TO EXPAND THAT AND GO WITHIN
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A HALF A MILE RADIUS, UH, AND, AND CREATE THIS FOCUS AREA.I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT ON SCREEN.
SO IF DR. FLOWERS AND, AND AND HIS TEAM WANTS TO DEVELOP SOMETHING IN, IN, IN THE FOCUS AREA, UM, WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, YOU BRING IT IN A HOTEL, WE, YOU KNOW, THAT STUDY WOULD, WOULD TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES THE THE TOILET IS GONNA FLUSH AND WHAT THE PIPING AND ALL OF THAT IS NEEDED.
BUT I'M GONNA DIVER TO THE EXPERTS BECAUSE I'M GONNA GET COM I'M COMPLETELY OUT OF MY BAIL WAY AND THEY CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
THE, THE BLESSING AND THE CURSE OF HAVING A REAL ESTATE GUY IN THE ROOM HAPPENED THROUGH THE GRINDER.
I'LL, UM, SO, UM, WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE STUDIED IS, YOU KNOW, SINCE DW IS HERE, I'M ASSUMING, UH, WATER CAPACITY, WASTEWATER CAPACITY, UM, IS A PART, AND STORM WATER IS A PART OF IT.
ELECTRICAL, PROBABLY NOT ROAD TRANSPORTATION.
THE, THERE NEED TRAFFIC, UH, TRAFFIC
AND THAT, AND THEN, UH, BUT BUT NOT ELECTRICAL BECAUSE THAT'S, IT'S ON SEPARATE PROCESS THROUGH ON WORK.
AND THEN, UM, YOU TOUCHED ON A GOOD POINT, RIGHT? DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT TYPES HAVE VERY DIFFERENT INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS IS DO WE KNOW YET WHETHER THE BASELINE OF THE STUDY IS, SAY, MULTIFAMILY, WHICH TENDS TO HAVE THE, THE HIGHEST INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS RELATED TO SANITARY SEWER REQUIREMENTS COMPARED TO COMMERCIAL UNISON, WHICH HAVE A LOT LOWER? OR HAVE THEY NOT REALLY, YOU HAVE TO FINE TUNED IT TO THAT DETAIL YET? WELL, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, PREPARE OUR GENERAL SCOPE MM-HMM
ONCE WE HIRED CONSULTANT, WE'LL WORK CLOSELY AND, AND REDEFINE THE, AND, AND DETAIL THE SCOPE SO WE CAN NEGOTIATE AND THEN
YEAH, I MEAN, I, I COULD PERSONALLY ATTEST HAVING WORKED ON A NUMBER OF PROJECTS AND CORBIN'S DONE A MILLION MORE THAN I HAVE, UH, BEING AT HEINZ, HOW, PARTICULARLY SANITARY SEWER, SOMETIMES WATER, YOU CAN GO INTO SOMETHING AND GET PRETTY FAR DOWN THE ROAD AND THEN GET HIT WITH, OH, I'M GONNA HAVE TO SPEND $7 MILLION.
SOMETIMES YOU CAN KEEP, THE NUMBERS CAN GET BIG JUST TO GET YOUR ONE DEVELOPMENT ON THE GROUND AND AN AREA WHERE IT'S ALREADY HARD TO MAKE THE MATH WORK.
I COULD SEE THAT BEING A TRUE HINDRANCE ON, ON ANYTHING HAPPENING AROUND THERE.
SO, SO WE EXPECT THE CONSULTANT DO HAVE TO DO SOME MODELING FOR THE WATER AND WASTEWATER AND THE STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, ALSO JUST MAKE SURE THAT IT DON'T WORK OUT.
WE HAVE A MILL CREEK AREA, THE PROJECT THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION, SO THEY DESIGN SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S COINCIDE WITH MILL CREEK FEATURE DEVELOPED.
SO WE CAN, STRONG WATER SHOULD BE, ARE THESE DEVELOPERS INDICATING THAT THERE'S SOMETHING TANGIBLE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD, CREATE, OR PRODUCE AS A RESULT OF THIS STUDY? OR THIS IS, THIS ISN'T TIED DIRECTLY TO ANY ONE PROJECT.
UM, DR. FLOWERS, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY WELL KNOWN THAT THERE'S A DEFICIT OF OF INFRASTRUCTURE IN SOUTH DALLAS.
UM, YEAH, WE'RE ALL HAVING TO MAKE THOSE CORRECTIONS AND
SO I'M JUST, WELL, I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS, UM, THE TIMING COULD BE BETTER.
I I THINK IT'S WELL KNOWN THAT THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK AREA PLAN WAS PASSED JUST RECENTLY AND APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.
I, I KNOW THAT, UH, MS. DALE WORKED REALLY, REALLY HARD ON THAT.
I THINK THIS PROJECT IS A PERFECT COMPLIMENT, UH, TO EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON AS IT RELATES TO GROWTH POTENTIAL FOR SOUTH DALLAS.
AND SO HAVING THIS UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE NEEDS ARE GONNA BE FOR POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT REGARDLESS OF, OF IT, BE IT MULTIFAMILY OR AN ADAPTIVE REUSE OR WHAT, WHATEVER TYPE PROJECT, UM, THIS IS THE NON SEXY PART OF REALLY GETTING THINGS TO GO VERTICAL.
DID THIS COME FROM THE POINT, THE POINT, UH, BUSINESS ASSOCIATION, UH, THAT COMPRISED OF THOSE DEVELOPERS OR BUILDERS OR OWNERS OVER THERE? I MEAN, MY MENTION OF SURE MA'AM.
MY, MY MENTION OF THAT, THOSE LANDOWNERS IS SIMPLY JUST WHAT I'M HEARING ANECDOTALLY WHEN I'M GOING TO THOSE MEETINGS AND JUST THE, THE NEED FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.
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AND ACTUALLY, NO, THEY, SOME OF THEM WERE VERY, VERY VOCAL ABOUT THE LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, TO DO DEVELOPMENT.SO AGAIN, OUR THINKING WAS LET'S EXPAND AND MAXIMIZE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR NOT JUST A CERTAIN AREA, BUT AT LEAST GO WITHIN A HALF A MILE RADIUS OF THE MLK DAR STATION, I, I I NOT FLOODING AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THAT AREA.
AND, AND, AND, AND I'M NOT RULING THIS OUT, UH, BUT, BUT I AM SAYING THAT, UH, IT'S INTERESTING THAT YOU WENT THERE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING.
I AM SAYING THAT ACCORDING TO THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK AREA PLAN, WE NEED TO, WE, WE PERHAPS NEED TO, TO SIT DOWN AND DETERMINE WHERE THE, UH, FOCUS AREAS SHOULD BE IN GENERAL, BECAUSE THE, THE PLAN DOES CALL OUT VARIOUS FOCUS AREAS.
I'M NOT SO SURE THAT IT IS TIME FOR THIS RIGHT NOW IN THE ABSENCE OF THE, UH, OF, OF THE NEEDS THAT THE TOTAL PLAN CALLS FOR.
I THINK IT'S, I THINK WE WILL INDEED NEED THIS.
BUT THERE ARE OTHERS THERE, THERE ARE OTHER DESIGNATED QUARTERS, UH, FOR DEVELOPMENT, UM, THAT THE PLAN CALLS FOR.
UM, I I, I JUST DON'T WANT TO DO THIS IN ISOLATION OF, THAT'S THE POINT.
I'M MAKING AN ISOLATION OF IT.
IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD BE DONE AND WILL BE DONE, UH, UH, UH, WITH, WITH OTHERS.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'M SAYING.
UH, THAT'S MS. HARDMAN WHO WAS SPEAKING.
IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, PERHAPS THAT CAN HAPPEN IN TANDEM, MS. RAGSDALE BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE, UH, SECURING THE FUNDING SO THAT WE CAN GET, UH, A CONTRACT UNDERWAY TO DO THE STUDY.
BUT I THINK WE WOULD, WE MIGHT HAVE SOME TIME TO IMPART, UM, YEAH, IT IT'S A LARGE AREA, BUT WE WOULD HAVE SOME TIME TO, IF IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S MISSED, IT'S WITHIN A HALF A MILE RADIUS, IF YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THE MAP ON THE SPRING, BUT IT'S FAIRLY LARGE.
BUT, BUT, BUT IT DOESN'T COVER THE, IT DOESN'T COVER THE, THE THREE OR FOUR QUARTERS THAT, THAT, THAT'S CALLED IN THE PLAN.
AND, AND SO, AND I'M NOT SAYING WE WOULDN'T DO THIS, I'M JUST SAYING IT, IT NEEDS TO BE DONE, UH, IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE PLAN PLAN.
AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF, UH, UH, THERE ARE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT AREAS, UH, THAT ARE IN NEED OF, OF INFRASTRUCTURE OF WATER AND SEWER.
BUT, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO DO IT IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE AREA PLAN.
MATTER OF FACT, UH, WE, YOU KNOW, I DISCUSSED SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS WITH, WITH TABITHA TODAY, AND WELL, I'LL TELL YOU GUYS, I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT.
I'M NOT, SO I, I JUST DON'T WANT THIS TO BE ISOLATED.
AND, AND, AND WHEN WE HAVE, WHEN WE MIGHT COME BACK WITH, WITH THREE PLANS, I MEAN THREE FOCUS AREAS, WELL, TO BE QUITE FRANK WITH YOU, ACCORDING TO THE PLAN, YOU GOT FOUR FOCUS AREAS.
UM, BUT SEPARATE FROM IDENTIFYING THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS, YOU'RE GOING TO, WE NEED TO IDENTIFY INFRASTRUCTURE MONIES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I RAISED THAT ISSUE OUTSIDE OF FAIR PARK.
UH, UM, BUT UM, ANYWAY, I I, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT DUE RESPECT, THIS MIGHT BE PREMATURE RIGHT NOW.
I I, AND THEN WE JUST NEED TO COME BACK AND DO IT, UH, UH, IN ALIGNMENT WITH, WITH, WITH, WITH OTHERS.
AND, AND IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO WAIT, YOU KNOW, TO THE END OF THE YEAR.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I I I JUST THINK THAT WE CAN, UH, DEAL WITH A, UH, A RADIUS AROUND THE, THE ESTABLISHED CORRIDORS THAT ARE DEFINED IN THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK AREA PLAN.
ONE IMPORTANT POINT THAT I DIDN'T MAKE, AND I'LL MAKE SURE IS WE WORKED ON THIS IN, UH, CROSS COLLABORATIVELY WITH OUR PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, WHO'S VERY, VERY INVOLVED WITH THE FAIR PARK AREA PLAN.
SO PATRICK, UH, ARTURO, UM, DAVY HINES, THEY WERE VERY, VERY MUCH INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS OF THIS HALF A MILE RADIUS.
UM, SO I I, I'D BE HARD PRESSED TO THINK ABOUT A HALF A MILE RADIUS FROM THE DARK.
THE, THE M STATION AREA IS WHAT THE MAJOR LANDOWNERS IN THAT AREA ORIGINALLY STARTED WITH THE GREATEST NEED, UH, OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS.
AND OF COURSE, THAT'S MORE OF A COMMERCIAL AREA WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW.
I MEAN, I'M NOT THERAPIST PLAN, BUT JUST MY KNOWLEDGE AT LEAST OF THE AREA AROUND FAIR PARK, WHAT'S CALLED FOUR QUADRANTS, RIGHT? YOU HAVE THE WESTERN, WHAT I CALL THE WESTERN SIDE EXPEDITION PARK.
THAT'S PRETTY LARGELY BEEN DEVELOPED NOW AT THIS POINT, UH, THROUGH MARKET PER CAPITAL DOING THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE INFRASTRUCTURE'S THERE SEEMS TO BE WORKING, DOESN'T NEED A LOT OF FOCUS.
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THE EASTERN SIDE, UH, FLIPPING, I BELIEVE IS ALMOST PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND EXPECTED TO STAY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.SO BIG INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES IN THEORY WOULD NOT BE NEEDED FOR HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT THERE UNLESS SOMETHING WERE TO CHANGE.
AND THEN THE NORTH SIDE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A SEPARATE ANIMAL, UM, BECAUSE OF THE BIG, WAS THAT A RECYCLING FACILITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT UP THERE.
BUT, UM, SO IT JUST AS A, JUST AS A REAL ESTATE GUY, THIS, WITH THE DART STATION THINGS GOING ON IN FAIR PARK, LARGER PLOTS ALREADY COMMERCIALLY ZONED IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THE LOW HANGING FRUIT TO, TO KICK OFF NO, NO, NO.
BUT THAT, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
I, I, I CAN WE, MR. CHAIR? I'M SORRY, WHAT? WHAT DID YOU SAY? HER SON? I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIR RECOGNITION.
UM, UH, FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, THANK YOU FOR THIS.
SO FIRST I WANT TO URGE THE, UM, DEEP LMTF TO APPROVE THIS STUDY.
UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHEN, WHAT IS THE TIMELINE FOR COMPLETION OF THE STUDY? WHO WILL, UH, THE RESULTS BE REPORTED TO, AND HOW WILL THOSE RESULTS BE, UH, DISSEMINATED TO BOTH TIP BOARDS, UM, SO THAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO THAT INFORMATION? THANK YOU.
UH, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.
UH, YOU KNOW, FIRST STEP IS DW WILL DO ALL THE PROCUREMENT AND MANAGE THE PROJECT.
SO WE ALREADY START
WE'RE EXPECTING TO RECEIVE THE OTHER STATEMENT OF THE QUALIFY FROM THE CONSULTANT, UH, IN JULY 10TH.
AND ONCE WE RECEIVE, WE WILL SHORTLIST AND DO THE SELECTION.
UH, AND THEN WE WILL NEGOTIATE WITH THE CONSULTANT, SELECTED CONSULTANT, AND THEN, UH, WE'LL TAKE TO THE COUNCIL TO GET IT APPROVED AND TO GET IT AWARDED.
AND THEN WE ARE EXPECTING WE CAN DO IT BY FALL THIS YEAR.
AND THEN WE CAN HAVE THE PROJECT KICKOFF TO BE REALISTIC JANUARY.
AND WE'RE EXPECTING TO GET THE STUDY DONE BETWEEN NINE TO 12 MONTHS.
SO IT WILL BE HOPEFULLY BY END OF 2028.
AND THAT'S THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION'S LIKELY FEATURE BOND OR SOMETHING? THIS IS FOR THE STUDY? YEAH, THIS FOR THE STUDY.
BUT ANY ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION OR UPGRADING WOULD BE BOND OR SOME OTHER, NO, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE.
WE HAVE TO ASSESS ALL THE EXISTING, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE WATER AND WASTEWATER STORM, HUNDRED PLUS YEARS.
SO THERE IS THIS QUESTION OF SURPRISED.
AND UM, SO THEY HAVE TO DO ALL THESE THINGS AND THEY WILL DO A CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT AND PREPARE, UH, ENGINEERING ESTIMATE BASED ON THE FINDINGS AND TIME TO TIME, GIVE UPDATES, THE PROGRESS PROJECTS.
AND YES, EVERY REPORT WILL BE AVAILABLE.
SO I'M ASSUMING IT WOULD BE POSTED WEBSITE AGAIN.
I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT.
I, UH, SHE WAS SAYING THE REPORT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC WHEN IT'S COMPLETED.
AND GENERALLY LIKE ON THE WEBSITE OR SOMETHING, IT'LL BE POSTED.
AND THEN DOES THAT TIMELINE, ARE YOU, DOES THAT TIMELINE, UM, FACTOR IN POTENTIAL DELAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD EITHER TAKE FOLKS OFF OFF THE FOCUS OF THIS STUDY OR FIND SOMETHING IN THE STUDY THAT THAT HAS TO BE HONED IN ON AND, AND MAKE THE PROCESS, UH, UH, A LITTLE BIT LONGER? WELL, THIS IS OUR, BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW, THESE, THE PRELIMINARY ESTIMATES OF THE SCHEDULE.
AND ONCE WE HAVE THE CONSULTANT, WE CAN GET MORE REALISTIC SCHEDULE.
OF COURSE WE CAN PRIORITIZE, YOU KNOW, IT JUST, WE JUST NEED TO COORDINATE THE CONSULTANT, MAKE SURE THAT
WHO COULD I POTENTIALLY FOLLOW UP ON? UM, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, BOARDS MAY CHANGE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF MAY CHANGE BY 2028.
UM, WHO WOULD BE A GOOD POINT PERSON THAT I COULD FOLLOW UP WITH FOR THE PROGRESS OF THIS STUDY? GU, SHE WILL BE THE PRO, UH, PROJECT MANAGER.
SHE'S LEADING WHO? I'M SORRY, WHO GU YOU PERHAPS WE CIRCULATE.
WHAT'S YOUR NAME AGAIN? START.
SO STAFF SAY THEY CAN CIRCULATE OR CONTACT
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INFORMATION TO GO FORWARD IF ANYBODY WANTS TO FOLLOW UP.LET ME, UH, I KNOW YOU HAVE A MOTION.
I, I'M ASSUMING YOU GOT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
UH, THE, UM, I AM NOT ANTI MOTION, ANTI, UH, THIS GIVEN MOTION.
I DO BELIEVE THAT IT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE ABSENCE OF THE, UH, SOUTH DALLAS TRAIL PARK AREA PLAN, TASK FORCE PEOPLE WHO WORKED ON THIS FOR QUITE A WHILE, OTHERWISE.
AND BECAUSE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, YOU WOULD HAVE A SIMILAR STUDY DONE FOR ALL OF THE DESIGNATED QUARTERS THAT NEED TO BE IMPROVED.
AND SO, AND ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE REASONS, SIGNIFICANT REASONS THAT IT MIGHT VERY WELL BE SLOWED DOWN WOULD BE BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF MONEY FOR SEWAGE AND WATER INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO, UM, SO THE QUESTION THAT I'M RAISING IS, UM, UH, HOW DO WE, UH, ENSURE THAT THOSE CORRIDORS ARE, ARE, ARE A PART OF, OR WE'LL RECEIVE A, A FOCUS AREA OF STUDY FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE CORRIDORS THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE AREA PLAN.
ADDITIONALLY, IT SOUNDS LIKE WORK IS ALREADY BEING DONE ON THE MLK CORRIDOR, UH, AND, AND FUNDING COMMITTED TO IT.
SO HOW DOES THAT, UH, ALIGN WITH THIS? IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, A MILE AND A HALF OF THIS TWO MILE RADIUS IS ALREADY CAPTURED BY THE MLK CORRIDOR.
CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION, DR. FLOWERS? I AM, UM, IN AGREEMENT WITH COUNCILWOMAN RAGSDALE IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE WE ARE COORDINATING WITH THE FULL AREA PLAN, UM, AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF ANY OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE INITIATIVES THAT ARE ALREADY UNDERWAY.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE SEPARATE AND APART FROM THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, BUT I CAN DEFINITELY MAKE OUR DIRECTOR AWARE OF IT.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S WHY I'M CALLING FOR DELAY IN, IN THIS GIVEN ITEM REALLY.
AND SO, UM, AND SO THAT ALL CAN COME AT ONCE.
AND I'M FEELING BE QUITE FRANK, I'M FEELING PRESSURED TO BE QUITE, YOU KNOW, BUT ANYWAY, GO ON.
I, I, UM, I GUESS IT'S A LITTLE, UH, IRREGULAR, BUT YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE GRAND PARK SOUTH BOARD MEMBERS HERE, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW DO OTHERS FEEL ABOUT DELAYING VERSUS PUSHING THROUGH ON THIS ONE AND THEN TALKING ABOUT THE REST SEPARATELY, OR NOT TALKING, MAYBE STAFF COULD ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT TO WHY WE CAME UP WITH THIS.
SO WE HAVE TO KIND OF START SOMEWHERE.
WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE AREA PLAN IS A REALLY LARGE AREA, BUT THIS PARTICULAR FOCUS AREA WAS INFORMED BY A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH LANDOWNERS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN TRYING TO GET TO THE NEXT STEP WITH DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEY KEEP SAYING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE'S AN ISSUE.
SO THIS DOESN'T PRECLUDE US FROM DOING ADDITIONAL ENGINEERING STUDIES, BUT IT'S KIND OF WHERE WE THOUGHT WE SHOULD START, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE DW FOLKS, BUT THE LARGER YOU MAKE AN AREA, THE HARDER, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY TO GET A REAL TANGIBLE ENGINEERING ANALYSIS.
IT WOULD BE BETTER TO START, I THINK WITH A MORE FOCUSED AREA, WE CAN FOCUS, THIS IS THE PRIMARY AREA, SO WE CAN FOCUS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE REALLY LOOK AT CERTAIN AREAS, SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO GO BEYOND.
BUT I THINK IT IS A PRETTY REASONABLE AREA TO GET STARTED.
AND OF COURSE, WE CAN COORDINATE IN DURING OUR COURSE SERVICE STUDY THAT IF ANY OTHER SURROUNDING AREAS, IF WE NEED TO LOOK, WE WILL BE COORDINATING WITH THE CONSULTANT, SO TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY, THEY COORDINATE THE OTHER POSSIBLE SURROUNDINGS AREAS.
BUT THIS WILL BE THE FOCUS AREAS.
IT'S PRETTY
HAVE YOU ALREADY HAD DIALOGUE WITH THE FOLKS WHO ARE WORKING ON THE MLK CORRIDOR? WELL, THAT'S A PERFECT THING FOR THAT BECAUSE I'M GONNA PIVOT TO HASANI.
I MENTIONED THE POINT SOUTH REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE.
HE IS ONE OF THE LAND OWNERS THERE.
UH, AND, AND I'M HOPING LASANA, YOU CAN SPEAK
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TO THE NEED AND JUST THE REAL DRIVE, UH, FOR STAFF TO REALLY COME UP WITH A SOLUTION TO ADDRESS THE DETERRENT THAT IS THE DEFICIT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOP, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE IN THAT AREA.UH, DEFINITELY I'D BE HAPPY TO.
SO, UM, I AM A DEVELOPER AND I HAVE, UH, REAL ESTATE IN THIS AREA, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT IS PART OF THE REASONS I DO NOT WANT YOU ALL TO DELAY ON THIS VOTE.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS, GOING BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT IF WE DON'T USE IT, WE LOSE IT TYPE OF THING.
UM, I I LOVE THIS CURRENT PARTNERSHIP TO WHERE, UM, DEEP EL AND GRAHAM PARK ARE WORKING TOGETHER ON THINGS AND ARE ABLE TO FUND THINGS IN THE AREA THAT WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO FUND.
AND AS IT WAS ALREADY MENTIONED, UM, APPROVING THIS STUDY DOESN'T PRECLUDE OTHER STUDIES FROM, UH, BEING, UH, BROUGHT TO LIGHT AND, AND, AND TO PUT IN PLACE.
AND SO AS SOMEBODY WHO IS A DEVELOPER, UM, DOWN THE MLK CORRIDOR AND FALLS WITHIN THIS, THIS AREA, MLKM, MALCOLM X CORRIDORS, UM, THERE'S NO, I WISH THERE WAS, UM, ELECTRICITY, UH, IN THIS STUDY BECAUSE THERE NEEDS TO BE, THERE IS A NEED FOR, UM, ELECTRIC LINES TO BE, UH, BURIED IN SOUTH DALLAS SO THAT, UH, MORE, UH, UPSCALE DEVELOPMENTS CAN BE DONE ACCORDING TO THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK, UH, AREA PLAN, ESPECIALLY THOSE MULTI-FAMILY.
UH, I WOULD LIKE, UM, IN LIGHT OF WHAT HAPPENED IN OAK CLIFF, UM, I RECENTLY HAD A GAS LINE CAPPED OFF, UM, ON ONE OF MY PROPERTIES.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE GAS LINES INFRASTRUCTURE IS HERE.
THERE'S ALSO BEEN, UM, OTHER FOLKS, I'VE SEEN THE CITY COME OUT AND WORK ON GAS LINES, UH, AND OTHER PARTS OF SOUTH DALLAS PROPER.
UM, IN ADDITION, I HAVE CALLED IN A NUMBER OF CODE, UH, ISSUES FOR, UH, LEAKY PIPES, BUSTED PIPES THAT COME OUT AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE PIPES INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.
SO WHY I WOULD LIKE THIS APPROVED AND WHY THERE IS A NEED FOR THIS STUDY IS, UM, BY AND LARGE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A BUILDING PROGRESS TOWARDS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK AREA, UM, SPECIFICALLY IN THE MARTIN LUTHER KING, UM, UH, MARTIN LUTHER KING, UH, CORRIDOR.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S ABOUT $21 MILLION OF FEDERAL FUNDS COMING THROUGH THAT ARE GOING TO BE GOING INTO THAT, UM, INTO TRANSPORTATION THERE.
UM, AS A CULTURAL DISTRICT, THERE IS A SPEAK OF ABOUT ANOTHER $40 MILLION THAT ARE COMING THROUGH THAT AREA.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, NONPROFITS LIKE FOREST FORWARD AND FAIR PARK FIRST, AND OTHER FOLKS WHO ARE, UM, DOING GREAT THINGS FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO THIS TYPE OF STUDY IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN GENERAL BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO GIVE DEVELOPERS THE INFORMATION THEY NEED WITHOUT HAVING TO FIT THE COST OURSELVES OF SOME OF THE GUTS OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE AREA SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE CAN DEVELOP.
AND I'M REALLY, AND I I WANNA REITERATE THIS IN CASE IT CAN TRICKLE UP TO SOMEBODY OR TO SOMEBODY, UM, I WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT, UH, THE ELECTRICITY AND, UH, SEEING THOSE POWER LINES, UH, BURIED, POTENTIALLY BURIED, ESPECIALLY ON THE MARTIN LUTHER KING, UH, MALCOLM X CORRIDORS, BECAUSE THAT'S JUST, UM, IN, IN MODERN DEVELOPMENTS WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU ARE DEVELOPING A PROPERTY, THOSE, THOSE EXPOSED POWER LINES ARE PART OF AN ERA THAT SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK, IT WE'RE WAY BEYOND THAT NOW.
AND SO THAT IS JUST NOTHING THAT IS AN EYE SORENESS, JUST SOMETHING THAT IS HOLDING US BACK.
SO WE NEED TO GET THIS INFORMATION IN AND, UM, I WOULD, UH, I APPRECIATE THE DEEP BE ON BOARD FOR BEING WILLING TO ALLOCATE SOME MONEY TOWARDS THIS STUDY.
I'LL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS ONE.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? UH, YEAH, BE HAPPY TO SECOND JOHN.
UM, ONE THING I'LL SAY ABOUT THIS, UH, IS I THINK IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
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LOW HANGING FRUIT, UM, AND YOU CAN'T BUDGET AND DO INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS UNTIL YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR, WHAT THE SCOPE OF WORK IS AND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.SO I THINK THIS SEEMS LIKE A GOOD START.
UM, BUT I ALSO REALLY PAY ALL THE COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK TO HEART.
AND SO I WOULD YEAH, ENCOURAGE STAFF TO LOOK IF THERE'S OTHER AREAS IN THE PLAN THAT MAKES SENSE.
WE DO STILL HAVE DEVELOP FUNDS FOR THIS AREA LEFT OVER AFTER THE VOTES TODAY, AND WE WILL REMAIN AS OPEN AS WE WERE TODAY TO CONSIDER, UH, ACHIEVING THIS AREA'S OTHER GOALS, WHETHER IT'S STUDIES LIKE THIS IN OTHER CORRIDORS THAT MAKE SENSE OR OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE, ARE, UM, FOCUS AREAS FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, SO I'M HOPING THIS CAN BE AN AND NOT AN OR, UM, BETWEEN THE, THE PLAN FOR THE AREA AND GETTING THINGS MOVING IN THIS, IN THIS SUB PART.
UM, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, I'M, I'M, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT.
SO ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE DEPOT BOARD? ALL RIGHT.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
I THINK THAT'S THE LAST OF OUR AGENDA ITEMS. SO WE HAVE REVIEW.
SORRY, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH, YEAH.
RIGHT NOW I SAID NO ON THAT, ON, ON THAT MOTION.
I'M SORRY, BUT, UH, YOU'RE NOT A VOTING MEMBER FOR THAT DIANE, RIGHT? YEAH.
YEAH, I I I JUST THINK THEY ALL NEED TO BE DONE TOGETHER.
I, I MEAN THIS, THIS WHOLE, UH, UH, SHOULD I SAY FAILURE TO, TO DO THINGS IN AN ORDERLY PROCESS IS, IT'S JUST, TO ME, IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY.
BUT LOOK HERE, UH, CAN, CAN I ALSO RECOMMEND, UH, UH, TO THE GRAND, UH, I KEEP ON, IS IT GRAND PARK SOUTH GRAND SOUTH PARK? YES.
CAN I ALSO RECOMMEND THAT, THAT WITH STAFF THAT WE NEED, IT COULD BE A, A TWO HOUR RETREAT DURING THE FALL OR WHATEVER.
'CAUSE WE NEED TO, WE, WE, WE NEED TO OURSELVES COME, BRING FORWARD THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE WANT TO SUBMIT, UH, TO DEEP ELEMENT.
AND SO, UH, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THE STAFF IS BRINGING THINGS TO WE ON, WE ON THE BACK END.
AND SO I, I JUST WOULDN'T THINK THAT WE NEED ON THE FRONT END NEED TO COME TOGETHER, LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT WE CAN DO, WHAT'S ELIGIBLE, AND THEN BEGIN TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE TWO HOURS OR MIGHT NEED TO BE FOUR HOURS.
BUT I THINK THAT IS REALLY WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, UH, TO ENSURE THAT WE MOVE FORWARD COLLECTIVELY ON, ON A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
AND TO LOOK AT THE, AND LOOK AT THE TOTAL POT.
AND, AND I WANNA THANK, I WANNA THANK DEEP ELAM TOO.
I, I DON'T WANT MY NO VOTE TO SOMEHOW BE, BE, BE AS WELL AS YOU HASAN TO BE LOOKED UPON AS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT SUPPORTIVE.
BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TO, UH, COORDINATE WHAT HAS TO BE DONE, UH, IN, IN, IN A, UH, BECAUSE WE HAVE JUST COMPLETED A PLAN, WE JUST CANNOT DO THINGS IN THE ABSENCE OF THAT, UH, WITH, WITH OUR MONIES.
UM, SO ANYWAY, I JUST, I WANNA, UH, UH, MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO STAFF THAT WE FACILITATE THIS FACILITATE, YOU CAN CALL IT A A HALF DAY RETREAT OR THREE DAY RETREAT LOOKING AT THE ELIGIBLE, UH, PROJECTS.
MISS, I BEG YOUR PARDON, UH, LOOKING AT THE ELIGIBLE PROJECT.
THIS IS OUT FOR THE AGENDA, SO JUST WANTED TO REMIND THAT WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON THE AGENDA ITEMS ONLY, BUT YOU CAN SEND YOUR COMMENTS TO THE STAFF LATER THEN.
UM, WE, WE DON'T HAVE OTHER BUSINESS.
YOU, YOU DO HAVE THE BUSINESS.
MS. RAGSDALE, EVERYTHING YOU'VE SAID HAS BEEN NOTED AND I THINK STAFF IS AWARE OF EVERYTHING THAT, UH, YOU SAID WE HAVE ONE MORE AGENDA ITEM AND UH, IT'S NUMBER 10 ON THE AGENDA, SO LEMME GO THROUGH THAT.
IF YOU AND CONSIDER 30 21, A NEW MULTIFAMILY PROJECT PROPOSED TO BE DEVELOPED BY DEVELOPMENT GROUP LLC IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE DALLAS PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION ON APPROXIMATELY 0.91 ACRES AT 30 21 MARTIN
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LUTHER GREEN BOULEVARD JUNIOR BOULEVARD IN THE GRAND PARK SOUTH TIFF DISTRICT.WE DO HAVE A PRESENTER THAT PRESENTED HERE TODAY, BUT THE RECOMMENDATION ACTION IS APPROVED RECOMMENDATIONS OF PROJECTS TO THE HOW TO THE OFFICE OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT.
SO, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA, UH, FOCUS ON RIGHT NOW.
YOU GUYS WANNA MAKE SURE YOU COMPARE ME.
I'M AN ASSISTANT DIRECTOR IN THE OFFICE OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT HERE AT THE CITY.
UM, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE BROUGHT A PROJECT LIKE THIS FOR THIS PURPOSE TO YOUR TIP BOARDS, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BECOME MORE REGULAR MOVING FORWARD.
SO IN APRIL, 2026, OUR DEPARTMENT OUTDATED OUR HOUSING RESOURCE CATALOG, WHICH IS BASICALLY CONTAINS ALL OF OUR PROGRAM STATEMENTS.
AND SO NOW WE'RE REQUIRED TO BRIEF ALL TIF BOARDS, UM, IF WE HAVE PROJECTS IN THEIR AREAS.
SO IF WE HAVE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING ONLINE WITH EITHER THE DALLAS PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION OR THE HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION, WE'RE REQUIRED TO BRIEF THE TIF BOARDS FOR YOUR AWARENESS THAT THERE ARE PROJECTS COMING ONLINE THAT MIGHT BE TAKING PROPERTY OFF THE TAX ROLLS, UM, WITHIN THE 10TH DISTRICT AREA.
SO FOR THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT, UM, THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF 86 RENTAL UNITS AS STATED, IT IS, UM, ON 30 21 MLK OR MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR BOULEVARD, ZIP CODE 7 5 2 1 5, THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF MLK AND MEADOW STREET.
THERE'S, UM, JUST ALMOST ONE ACRE SITE THAT USED TO BE A SAVE A LOT GROCERY STORE.
IT'S ACTUALLY VACANT RIGHT NOW.
AND THE DEVELOPER'S PROPOSING TO DEVELOP RENTAL HOUSING ON THAT SITE.
AND SO THE PROJECT WILL CONSIST OF 86 UNITS, 11 OF THE UNITS WILL BE, UM, RESERVED FOR HOUSEHOLDS AT OR BELOW 60% OF THE AREA.
MEDIAN INCOME, 36 UNITS WILL BE AT OR BELOW 80% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME.
AND THEN THE REMAINING 39 UNITS.
SO 50% OF THE UNITS ARE FLEE WILL BE FOR MARKET RATES, SO NON INCOME RESTRICTED.
AND THAT'S THE BREAKDOWN YOU GUYS SEE ON THE MEMO THAT YOU HAVE THERE.
UM, AND SO WHEN THE PROJECTS COME FORWARD, THEY GO THROUGH THE PFC AND HFC BOARDS FIRST FOR APPROVAL.
AND STAFF OF THE PFC AND HFC VET THE PROJECTS FOR LIKE FEASIBILITY.
THEY LOOK AT UNDERWRITING, THEY DETERMINE SOURCES AND USES AND WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER TO GET THE PROJECT TO A PLACE WHERE IT'S READY TO MOVE FORWARD.
THEN THEY TAKE IT BEFORE THEIR BOARDS TO GET IT APPROVED.
WHEN THE PROJECT COMES TO OUR OFFICE, OUR TEAM IS BASICALLY REVIEWING THE PROJECT FOR ALIGNMENT WITH CITY HOUSING GOALS.
SO IT'S MORE OF A LIGHTER REVIEW, BUT WE LOOK AT DOES THE PROJECT ALIGN WITH THE GOALS OF THE CITY? AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A FAIR HOUSING REVIEW, WHICH LOOKS AT, DOES THIS PROJECT CONTRIBUTE TO OUR FAIR HOUSING GOALS TO SPREAD AFFORDABLE HOUSING THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF DALLAS? SO FOR THIS PROJECT, UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS.
IT ACCOMPLISHES ONE OF OUR PRIMARY GOALS, WHICH IS TO ADD MARKET RATE UNITS IN AREAS THAT ARE OVER 20% POVERTY.
SO BRINGING MARKET RATE HOUSING IN AREAS WHERE, UM, BASICALLY THE GOAL IS TO REDUCE CONSERVATION OF POVERTY IN THOSE AREAS.
UM, THE SECOND PIECE THAT ALIGN WITH OUR FAIR HOUSING GOALS, THE PROJECT SCORE IN LOW POSITIVE FAIR HOUSING RATING AND PROVIDES AFFORDABLE MIXED INCOME HOUSING AND ALSO SPECIAL NEEDS HOUSING.
SO THERE'LL BE SOME DBA AND ACCESSIBLE UNITS WITHIN THE PROJECT.
AND THEN FOR THE PROJECT ITSELF, IT HAS A ROUGHLY 70% PUBLIC BENEFIT, WHICH BASICALLY MEANS, UM, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE RENTAL DISCOUNTS AND THE FEES THAT THE PROJECT WILL PAY TO THE PFC OVER TIME, THOSE TOGETHER OUTWEIGH THE TAXES FOR GONE FOR THE PROJECT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT AND YOUR MEMO, YOU'LL SEE AGAIN, THE UNIT MIX, UM, AND THE LOCATION OF THE PROJECT.
AND THEN ONE OF THE KEY REASONS FOR BRINGING IT BEFORE YOU GUYS IS JUST THIS PROJECT OR THIS PARCEL RIGHT NOW CONTRIBUTES TO THE TIFF AND BECAUSE IT WILL BE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH PFC, IT WOULD BE TAX EXEMPT FOR SIX YEARS.
SO IT IMPACTS CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE TIFF DISTRICTS.
AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE END OF THE MEMO.
I CAN ANSWER OH YEAH, THE AMOUNT.
IT'S, UM, SO RIGHT NOW THE OVER 3000, $3,270 TO A CITY, UM, AND THEN OVER 60 YEARS, THE ESTIMATED TAXES WERE GONE FOR THE CITY'S PORTION IS 533,246.
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FOR THE TIP DISTRICT ITSELF, BASED ON LAST YEAR'S TAX ROLL, THE, UH, FOREGONE TAX INCREMENT IS JUST OVER 28,000.AND THAT'S THE LAST SENTENCE OF THE MEMO.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT ALIGNMENT WITH OUR HOUSING GOALS, BUT AGAIN, INTO LIKE THE NITTY GRITTY OF THE PROJECT AND, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPERS' MOTIVATIONS AND THINGS THAT I WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON, OBVIOUSLY RECOGNITION.
UM, OKAY, SO I HAVE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS, SO ALLOW ME TO GET A, A COHESIVE VIEW OF WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS.
UM, FIRST AND FOREMOST, WHO, UH, WHO IS THE, UH, REGISTERED MEMBER WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS FOR VENETIAN DEVELOPMENT GROUP? UM, LET'S SEE IF I HAVE INFORMATION.
I THINK THEY TREAT A SPECIAL EACH TIME, BUT HAVE TO, YEAH, I THINK WHAT YOU SAY, I SAID YOU HAVE TO, YOU THEY CREATE A, UM, ENTITY WITH THE PFC, THE DEVELOPERS.
I THINK HE'S ASKING TO THE PRINCIPAL OF, OH, LIKE, UH, THE SCOTTY.
SCOTTY WHO? UH, SCOTTY, UH, SCOTTY SMITH JUNIOR, PROBABLY RIGHT THE SECOND.
SO, UH, MY NEXT QUESTION THEN IS HOW DO PARTNERSHIPS WITH, UM, UH, A DEVELOPER OR A LLC, HOW DO THEY END UP PARTNERING WITH DPFC AND THE MANNER OF THIS, THIS PARTNERSHIP IS BEING DONE? WHAT'S THAT PROCESS? UM, SO ACTUALLY I DON'T, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON WHAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH LEGALLY, BUT I KNOW WHENEVER THE PROJECT IS CONCEPTUALLY LIKE CREATED, THEY PRESENT TO THE BOARD AS A FIRST STEP.
THE BOARD EITHER AUTHORIZES APPROVAL AND THEN THEY HAVE THEIR OWN OUTSIDE LEGAL COUNSEL THEY WORK WITH TO CREATE THE
IT ALL PRETTY MUCH HAPPENS TOTALLY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.
SO WHAT, I GUESS WHAT I'M, SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS, SO THE, THE DEVELOPER OR WHOMEVER HAS A PROJECT, THEY APPROACH DPFC? YES.
DPSC TAKES THAT TO THEIR BOARD AND THEN THEY APPROVE, UM, A TYPE OF PARTNERSHIP.
IS THAT THE, IS THAT THE GIST OF THE, THE PROCESS? YES.
THEY APPLIED DIRECTLY TO DPFC.
SO THEY HAVE A FULL APPLICATION THAT I GUESS WOULD BE THE FIRST STEP THEN COMING BEFORE THE BOARD FOR THE INITIAL APPROVAL.
AND IT ALSO GOES TO COUNCIL, THEN IT GOES TO COUNCIL, IT GOES THROUGH OUR OFFICE, IT GOES TO COUNCIL, IT GOES BACK TO THE BOARD FOR FINAL APPROVAL AND LIKE MOU, UM, AND BASICALLY PERMISSION AND PROCEED WITH CLOSING.
AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS IN THAT STRUCTURE THAT THE PARTICULAR PROPERTY IN QUESTION THAT IS BEING DEVELOPED, DPFC OFFICIALLY OWNS THAT PROPERTY AND IS THAT A TRANSFER OF TITLE PROCESS? THEY OWN THE GROUND AND THEY LEASE THE SITE TO THE DEVELOPER WHO OWNS THE ASSET.
THAT'S HOW THEY BASICALLY LIKE, UH, GET PAID THEIR FEES.
THEY OWN THE LAND FOR THE 75 YEARS, THEY OWN THE LAND ASSETS.
I REALLY AT THE RISK OF JUMPING IN, 'CAUSE I'VE DONE PFC STUFF BEFORE ON THE SANTA FE TRAIL, SO I'VE BEEN THROUGH ALL THIS ONE STUFF.
COULD YOU PLEASE BREAK IT DOWN TO HOW IT WORKS? YEAH.
SO WHAT YOU DO IS, YOU, YOU, YOU DEED OVER THE LAND DPFC, UM, AND YOU SIGN A 75 YEAR, I THINK THAT SHOULD TAKE A 60 YEAR, 75 YEAR LEASE, THE 60 YEAR MAYBE WHERE THE DPFC OWNS THE LAND AND THE IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, SOMETIMES THERE'S A RIGHT FOR THE DEVELOPER OWNER DECADES DOWN THE ROAD TO BUY IT BACK.
AND SOMETIMES THERE'S NOT, DEPENDING ON HOW THOSE AGREEMENTS ARE NEGOTIATED.
AND THAT'S WHAT CREATES THE TAX ABATEMENT.
AND THAT LEASE IS WHAT SETS THE RULES AROUND THE AFFORDABILITY AND MIX OF, OF MARKET AND AFFORDABILITY REQUIREMENTS ARE.
AND IT'S BASED ON THE PSE BOARD APPROVAL AND CITY COUNCIL.
AND THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT PARTNERSHIP IN ORDER TO KEEP THE EXEMPT.
AND IF IT EXITS FOR SOME REASON, THEY BUY IT BACK FROM D-F-P-D-P-F-C, THE PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION GOES AWAY WHEN THE ACTUAL OWNERSHIP GOES AWAY FROM DPFC.
AND THEN MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS FOR, UM, BOTH INSTANCES OF FOREGONE TAXES, SO THE FOREGONE CITY TAXES, UM, AND BECAUSE THIS IS IN A, IN A TIF DISTRICT, I GUESS I'M NOT QUITE UNDERSTANDING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FOREGONE CITY TAXES AND THE FOREGONE TIF UH, UH, UM, FINANCING.
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YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT FOR ME? I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW HOW YOU GUYS DO YOUR PROJECTIONS, BUT, WELL, THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE'RE GONNA, THE TIF DISTRICT WILL BE FORGOING ABOUT $28,000.THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, IT'S NEGLIGIBLE.
UM, BECAUSE THAT'S A PERCENTAGE OF IT'S THE INCREMENT OF THE TAXES.
GENERALLY IF IT'S HELPFUL WITH HOW I LOOK AT IT.
'CAUSE I, I WEAR THE TIFF HAT, I WEAR THE PFC DEVELOPER HAT SOMETIMES.
SO I'VE THAT BEEN ON BOTH SIDES OF IT.
TYPICALLY THE PFC PROJECTS ARE, YOU KNOW, THE TWO MAIN THINGS IS THERE'S A, AN AFFORDABILITY, UH, PARTICULARLY IN HIGHER INCOME AREAS, UM, THAT'S DESIRED.
UM, AND, AND, UH, LOWER INCOME, LESS ABOVE AREAS, UH, IT'S OFTEN VACANT LAND AND WITHOUT THE P IF, IF NOT FOR, IS THE PHRASE THAT'S USED ALL THE TIME, BUT NOT FOR THE PFC AND THE TAX ABATEMENT, NOTHING WOULD HAPPEN WITH THE LAND.
AND IF VACANT LAND GENERATES LITTLE TO NO INCREMENTS OVER TIME, I THINK PFC, BUT TIFFS, I ACTUALLY WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT PUSHED FOR TIFFS TO GET A SAY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF COULD BE FOREGOING VACANT INCREMENT IF THAT WERE TO NOT BE TRUE, YEAH, IT WOULD BE DEVELOPED INDEPENDENTLY.
UM, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE SPECIFIC PROJECT, NOR AM I VOTING ON IT, BUT THAT'S THE THEORY.
I THINK YOU GUYS WILL SEE A LOT MORE.
BUT BECAUSE THE GOAL FOR THE PFC AT LEAST IS TO PRODUCE MORE HOUSING THROUGH THEIR PARTNERSHIPS IN HIGHER POVERTY AREAS.
SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE IT, UM, OVERLAP WITH TIF MORE OFTEN AND US COMING BEFORE TIF BOARD MORE OFTEN.
AND SO THEN THE BOTTOM LINE THEN IS THAT THESE ARE, THESE ARE, THESE ARE FUNDS THAT WILL NOT BE GOING INTO THE GRAND PARK SOUTH TIFF, UM, FOR USE, IS THAT CORRECT? OBJECTION, CORRECT.
AND IT IT'S PRETTY ANOTHER, UH, THAT IT'S A, IT'S A MARGINAL, IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT, THE 28,000.
UH, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS AND UM, UH, CHAIR MICHAEL HUBBARD, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, I'LL HAVE A MOTION FOR YOU.
I THINK, UH, ONE QUESTION, UH, MS. RAGSDALES COMPUTER DIES AS YOU'RE TRYING TO GET BACK ON, UM, WELL WE WILL BE RECEIVING ANY OTHER INFORMATION ON THIS PROJECT BESIDES WHAT'S PRESENTED HERE.
OR IF ONCE, IF THIS THING IS, IF THIS IS APPROVED, THEN THAT OPPORTUNITY IS CLOSED, THAT, BUT THIS, BECAUSE OF THIS ONE COMING SO CLOSE TO US, BRINGING IT TO COUNCIL, MAYBE NOT THIS TIME, BUT IF YOU GUYS ARE LIKE, WE WANT A FULL PRESENTATION BY THE DEVELOPER THEMSELVES OR SOMETHING, THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN WORK OUT AND DO IN THE FUTURE ONES.
I THINK THE COMMITTEE THE COMMITTEE, YEAH, THE COMMITTEE MEETING WOULD BE A GOOD ONE TO US.
DO, THEY DIDN'T DO A FULL PRESENTATION, BUT MAYBE THE BOARD MEETINGS.
IF IN MY EXPERIENCE, THE PFC APPROVAL MEETING IS WHEN IT'S BALLOT, YOU GET UP WITH FULL DEBT IF YOU REALLY RUN THROUGH EVERYTHING YOU'RE PLANNING ON DOING.
IT'S USUALLY A MORE SUMMARIZED VERSION OF THAT COUNCIL.
AND THIS, THIS WAS, UM, BROUGHT TO THE TIF BOARD FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO, OF THE PROJECT, TO THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT.
SO THE TIF BOARD IS SAYING, OKAY, YOU KNOW, THE $28,000, UH, IS NEGLIGIBLE AND SO GO AHEAD, PROCEED TO HOUSING TO VET IT FURTHER.
AND THEN, THEN THERE THE, THE NEXT STEPS OF GOING THROUGH COUNCIL APPROVAL.
AND OTHERWISE, IF YOU GUYS REQUEST MORE IN DEPTH BRIEFING, I WOULD TAKE THE INFORMATION BACK TO THE CORPORATIONS AND ASK.
BUT AGAIN, YEAH, IT'S JUST TO MAKE YOU AWARE, WHATEVER YOU VOTE DOESN'T REALLY IMPACT THE NEXT STEPS NECESSARILY.
SO IF I CAN JUMP IN, IF I CAN JUMP IN REALLY QUICKLY, UM, I AGREE WITH THE BOARD MEMBER IN THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROJECT ITSELF.
AND SO I WILL WORK WITH, UM, THE MANAGER OF BOTH THE DPFC AND THE DALLAS HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION FOR WHEN WE HAVE PROJECTS THAT NEED TO BE PROVIDED.
UM, TIF BOARDS NEEDED TO BE PROVIDED INFORMATION ABOUT A POTENTIAL PROJECT WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF A TIF DISTRICT, THAT THEY PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT GIVES YOU A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROJECT, A COUPLE RENDERINGS, UM, IF YOU WANNA SEE MAYBE THE PROJECT BUDGET, JUST PERTINENT INFORMATION FOR YOU GUYS', INFORMATION FOR YOU GUYS' INFORMATION.
SO I, I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION AND I CONCUR WITH YOU AND WE CAN WORK TO GET YOU, UM, A MORE REPRESENTATIVE, UM, PRESENTATION OF THE PROJECT.
AND THAT'S, I THINK, YEAH, THAT, THAT WAS MY CONCERN.
I, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK
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LIKE.I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POSTFINANCE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
I MEAN, WHERE IS IT COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD? IT IS JUST LIKE, I'M JUST SEEING SOME, SOME NUMBERS HERE AND THEN I NEVER GET A OPPORTUNITY TO REVISIT THAT.
UM, AND I JUST THINK THAT'S NOT A GOOD PROCESS IF WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON SOMETHING, EVEN IF IT'S JUST 28,000, THAT MAY BE MINIMUM IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, BUT I JUST THINK I WANNA VOTE ON SOMETHING WITH THAT.
I HAVE FULL KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT I'M PUTTING MY VOTE ON RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T, AND I AGREE WITH THAT.
BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, UH, DR. TODD, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO INVITE SCOTT INTO THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK FAITH COALITION.
I MEAN, HE, HE NEEDS JUST TO TALK TO US AT GREAT LENGTH THERE AS WELL.
AND SO I'M JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE ALSO.
I, BEYOND THIS RIGHT HERE, BEYOND THE CHAIR LINKS TO THE HOUSING AND THE CITY COUNCIL.
COULD YOU SAY THAT LOUDER, ANGELA? I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK WE HEARD YOU.
OH, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE GRAND PARK BOARD MEMBERS GET LINKS TO THE HOUSING MEETING AND THE, UH, THE COUNCIL MEETINGS WHERE THERE WILL BE A FULL PRESENTATION ON THE PROJECT.
BUT I'M, I'M JUST THINKING IF FOR THE, IF IT'S GONNA BE THE ANOTHER ONE, I, I THINK WE NEED TO SHARE THIS PROCESS UP.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE SAYING IT'S NOTHING WE CAN DO NOW, IT IS JUST GOING TO MOVE, IT'S TOO LATE TO CHANGE THAT THING AROUND.
BUT I THINK THIS IS JUST AN, I THINK WE NEED TO DO IT DIFFERENTLY WHERE WE ARE MORE INFORMED ON WHAT WE ARE VOTING.
BECAUSE WHEN I STUDIED THE AGENDA, I HAD NO IDEA.
I READ ALL THE DOCUMENTS, BUT I REALLY HAD NO IDEA BECAUSE MY FIRST QUESTION WAS, WHAT IS IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA.
UH, I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT PARKING, YOU TALKING ABOUT HOUSING, WHAT IS ALL OF THOSE PARAMETERS? AND WE DON'T GET ANOTHER CHANCE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION OUTSIDE OF JUST VIEWING IT, UH, WHEN IT GOES TO OTHER BOARD IN THE CITY.
DR. ATKINS, I UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND MY, MY OPINION WAS YOU'RE SAYING ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE, YEAH, YOU MAY NOT BE AFFORDED TO COME BACK AND FURTHER
THIS ONE, IT IS KIND OF WAS ALREADY IN THE WORKS WHILE OUR POLICY WAS CHANGING AND WE'RE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT A NEW POLICY.
SO THE POLICY REQUIRES THAT WE MAKE YOU GUYS AWARE.
IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT YOU APPROVE OR DENY OR SOMETHING THAT STEP ISN'T THERE.
SO YEAH, WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION YOU GUYS HAVE.
SO IS THIS, THIS IS JUST INFORMING US THIS, WE ARE NOT, WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT VOTING ON THIS, RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT VOTING, UM, BUT WE CAN PROVIDE YOU MORE INFORMATION ON THIS.
UM, WE'RE, SO THE TIF BOARD'S APPROVAL OF WHETHER OR NOT A PROJECT RE UH, GOES THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND IS ULTIMATELY APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL IS NOT REQUIRED BY STATE LAW.
AND SO, UM, THROUGH THE CHANGING OF POLICIES WITH THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT AND IN BETWEEN THESE EXTERNAL BOARDS, WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE CONCESSION THAT THEY WILL MAKE THE TIF BOARD AWARE OF THESE PROJECTS.
AND SO THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO IS ENSURE THAT YOU ARE FULLY AWARE OF THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW WHERE IT'S GONNA GO, AND YOU HAVE THE PERTINENT PROJECT INFORMATION.
I APPRECIATE, I, I JUST LIKE IT BE FAIR GAME FOR EVERYBODY, NOT JUST SOME AND NOTHING AGAINST THE DEVELOPER.
I'M SPEAKING IN GENERAL, I THINK IF YOU, IF IF A PROCESS IS GOING TO BE TRANSPARENT AND CLEAR, THEN ANYONE WHO HAS A PROJECT NEEDS TO FOLLOW UP ONE OF THOSE SAME PARAMETERS, NOT JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE COMING IN AT A VERY SHORT WINDOW.
AND SO THE NEXT ONE HAS TO GO THROUGH ADDITIONAL HOOPS THAT THIS ONE DOESN'T.
SO, UH, DON'T THINK I'M BEING PARTICULAR TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS A TIMING ISSUE AND THAT THIS PROJECT WAS PROBABLY IN BEFORE WE MADE CHANGES, OR WHILE THE POLICY WAS, THE CHANGES WERE BEING PROPOSED FOR THE POLICY.
AND SO ALL PROJECTS THAT WILL GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS OR START THIS PROCESS, UM, AFTER THE POLICY CHANGE WILL BE REQUIRED TO DO THIS IN A LITTLE MORE ORDERLY FASHION.
BUT FOR THIS EXISTING ONE, WE ARE TRYING TO ENSURE THAT IT NOW MEETS THE NEW POLICY.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, UH, MR. CHAIR, UH, I, I WANT TO THANK TAMARA AN ANGELA BECAUSE I, I, UH, RARELY ASK QUESTIONS THAT I DON'T HAVE SOME IDEA OF WHAT THE, THE ANSWERS ARE GOING TO BE.
AND, UM, IN STUDYING THESE MATERIALS AHEAD OF TIME, I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS BEING BROUGHT BEFORE US, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A REALLY A ACTIONABLE ITEM FOR US, AND WE ARE NOT, NO MONEY IS BEING CONSIDERED
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OR THAT KIND OF THING.AND SO YOU LETTING US KNOW THAT ALL THE PROCESS HAS CHANGED AND IT'S KIND OF BEEN IN THE MIX.
UM, AND THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, UM, UH, HAS BEEN OF INTEREST TO THE COMMUNITY FOR A LONG TIME AS FAR AS, UM, PROCESS AND DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT WAS GOOD TO GET SOME INFORMATION ABOUT IT.
AND, UH, I DEFINITELY WELCOME MORE THOROUGH, UM, EVEN IF IT'S JUST A, HEY, THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, HAVING A MORE COMPLETE PACKET OF, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE RENDERING, THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE TIMELINE, THIS IS KIND OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS, JUST SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE NEVER KNOW THAT, UM, SOMETHING MAY COME ACROSS, UH, UH, THE, THE TIP THAT IS AN ACTIONABLE ITEM FROM, YOU KNOW, ANY DEVELOPER, ANY PERSON OR WHATEVER, AND HAVING A GOOD HISTORY OR KNOWING WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON, UH, THAT WE CAN FALL BACK ON IS ALWAYS A POSITIVE.
MORE INFORMATION IS ALWAYS A POSITIVE FOR US TO MAKE FUTURE DECISIONS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO, UM, PLEASE, UH, UH, PLEASE GET US AS MUCH INFORMATION, UH, AS POSSIBLE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S, UH, WHAT WE ARE INTENDING TO RECEIVE HAVE IS GOING TO DO THAT.
AND WE DO HAVE TO VOTE, WE HAVE TO PROVE THAT THIS, UH, RECOMMENDATION OF THIS PROJECT GOES ON THROUGH THE, UH, OFFICE OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT.
SO IT'S, I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE OUTTA ORDER, BUT GOING FORWARD, I THINK, UH, WE WON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT IT IN, UH, HINDSIGHT.
SO, AND I STILL HAVE YOUR MOTION FOR YOU CHAIR.
UH, I THOUGHT THERE WAS A POINT OF INFORMATION.
OH NO, HE SAID HE HAD A POINT OF INFORMATION.
OH, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT THAT WAS A MOTION.
WHEN WE STARTED, WE WERE TOLD THAT THIS WAS FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY.
BECAUSE WE ARE, UM, THIS PROPERTY WITHIN THE TIF THAT WOULD BE TAKEN OFF OF THE TAX OFF OF THE, UM, NOW WHEN I WENT THROUGH IT, I SAID, THE RECOMMENDED ACTION IS APPROVAL, RECOMMEND APPROVED RECOMMENDATION OF PROJECT TO THE OFFICE OF HOUSING AND EMPOWERMENT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GOING TO VOTE ON.
ASSAN SAID THAT HE WAS READY TO GIVE A MOTION, AND SO I MOVE TO APPROVE WORDING THIS, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO THE, UH, TO THE OFFICE OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT.
SECOND, I, I'LL SECOND I OKAY.
BUT, BUT IT IS CONFUSING, BUT I WILL SECOND IT.
I, I'M, I'M TOTALLY CONFUSED ON WHAT I'M DOING
THAT'S, PLEASE BEAR THIS, THIS IS ONE OF OUR APOLOGIES TO THE BOARD.
THIS IS ONE OF OUR FIRST ONES GOING THROUGH THE TIF BOARD.
AS WE SAY, THIS POLICY IS FAIRLY NEW, AND SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK OUT THE KINKS ON THIS.
AND I THINK ALL THAT THE, UM, OFFICE OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT IS LOOKING FOR IS SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.
UM, AND SO THAT IS WHAT IS ON YOUR AGENDA FOR TODAY.
AND WE WILL, UM, IN FUTURE PROJECTS, IF THERE ARE FUTURE PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED, WE WILL BE SURE IN THE NARRATIVE AND IN THE PRESENTATION THAT WE ARE VERY, VERY CLEAR ON WHAT IS BEING ASKED OF YOU.
UH, MR. CHAIR, HAS THE MOTION BEEN MADE AND DULY SECONDED? YES, IT HAS.
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE POINT OF PRIVILEGE AS THE POINT OF PRIVILEGE AS THE MOTION MAKER, UH, FOR DISCUSSION.
UM, YEAH, SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR SECONDING, DIANE, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION PART.
AND TO YOUR POINT, IT, IT, IT IS VERY CONFUSION, CONFUSING.
UM, AND I THINK, UH, TAMARA SAID WHY IT'S, IT IS NEW.
IT'S, IT IS A NEW PROCESS AND FOCUSING.
AND SO TODAY OUR ACTION ITEMS, WE ARE NOT APPROVING THE PROJECT.
WE'RE NOT APPROVING MONEY TO THE PROJECT.
WE ARE NOT EVEN REALLY, UH, WE'RE NOT EVEN REALLY A BIG FORCE IN THE WAY OF STOPPING IT
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PER SE, BUT WHAT WE ARE DOING, WHAT THE MOTION ACTUALLY DOES DO IS SAYING WE AS A BODY RECOMMEND FOR THE NEXT PROCESS FOR WE AS SOBRIETY SUPPORT THAT THE NEXT GROUP THAT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT THIS AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.YOU KNOW, DO YOUR PART OF THIS AND, AND CARRY ON.
AND SO, AS I SAID, UM, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, I'VE, UH, MULTIPLE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN INTERESTED WITH.
YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE PROGRESS OF IT? ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, NOW THAT WE HAVE THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK AREA PLAN IN PLACE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THERE'S A ANOTHER, UM, THERE'S ANOTHER, UH, POTENTIAL FINANCIALLY IMPACTFUL, UM, EFFORT BEING MADE BY THIS DEVELOPER THAT I WON'T GO INTO HERE, UH, 'CAUSE IT'S NOT PERTINENT.
BUT, UH, ONE OF MY BIG THINGS HAS ALWAYS BEEN, UM, WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH YOUR PROPERTY AND WHAT, WHAT PROGRESS ARE YOU MAKING ON YOUR PROPERTY, UH, BEFORE YOU START TRYING TO DICTATE TO OTHER PEOPLE, UM, WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING WITH THEIRS OR WHAT KIND OF MONIES SHOULD BE COMING OUT OF THEIR POCKETS IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
AND SO THE REASON I AM SUPPORTING THIS TO GO TO THE NEXT STAGE IS, UM, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, UH, THE SOUTH DALLAS BERRY PARK AREA PLAN IS IN PLACE, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S IN LINE WITH THAT AREA PLAN.
AND IT'S ALONG THE MLK CORRIDOR, WHICH, UM, NEEDS TO BE THE ECONOMIC PART OF SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK PROSPER.
AND IT WILL BE WITH ALL THE MONIES THAT ARE GOING FORWARD, FORWARD.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, WHAT OTHER, UH, OVERSIGHT AGENCIES ARE GOING TO, WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO SAY ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT'S WHY I WILL BE VOTING IN FAVOR TO MOVE IT FORWARD.
UH, UH, SO ALL IN FAVOR OF CARRYING THE APPROVAL FORWARD, UH, TO THE, UH, HOUSING AND COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT OFFICE.
AND THANK YOU FOR, UH, GIVING ME YOUR, YOUR, UH, PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE.
I'M A, I'M A NEWER, I'M A BABY DEVELOPER, SO, UM, EVERY BIT OF NEW INFORMATION HELPS ME OUT IN THE LONG RUN, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND I, I, LET'S GET LUNCH SOMETIME AB ABSOLUTELY.
AND AFTER A COUPLE YEARS OF DOING IT, YOU'LL START HAVING GRAY HAIR.
WELL, UH, THANKS EVERYBODY, THE DISCUSSION AND WE'LL GO AHEAD ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 4:20 PM THANK YOU.