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OKAY, GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THE MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION.
UH, IT IS AUGUST 3RD AT ONE O'CLOCK, AND I CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
I'M THE CHAIR, AND WE ARE THE COUNCIL.
THE COMMISSION WILL VOTE ON WHETHER TO HAVE COMMISSIONER JASON HARPER SERVE AS OUR VICE CHAIR AND ALL THE COMMISSIONERS AT HOME WILL PLEASE, IF YOU RETURN TO YOUR CAMERA, PLEASE TURN IT ON SO WE CAN SEE YOU BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE PENDING AND MEETING VIRTUALLY.
SO WE WILL BEGIN WITH OUR ROLL CALL AND THEN VOTE ON OUR VICE CHAIR.
DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS.
DISTRICT 13 COMMISSIONER PRE WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY.
CAN YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE PRESENT? YOUR MIC'S TURNED OFF.
OH, WELL WE NEED TO UNMUTE HIM NOW.
HE CAN'T, WE ARE UNMUTING HIM.
WHILE WE WERE AT LUNCH, THERE WAS A BIRD CHIRPING OVER HIS OPEN MICROPHONE, SO WE APPARENTLY MUTED HIM FROM HERE.
LET US PLEASE ENDEAVOR TO GET ANDERSON BACK ONLINE.
WE, WE KNOW HE IS THERE THOUGH.
SO, UH, CAN I HAVE, UH, AGREEMENT FROM THE COMMISSIONERS TO ASK COMMISSIONER HARPER TO SERVE AS OUR VICE CHAIR TODAY? I MOVE TO HAVE COMMISSIONER AND PROPER SERVE AS OUR VICE CHAIR FOR TODAY'S MEETING.
I USED TO MAKE COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER DO IT QUITE OFTEN.
AND ALL RIGHT, THEN WE BEGIN OUR WORK BY HAVING VICE CHAIR HARPER, UH, MAKE SOME MOTIONS ABOUT HOW WE WILL DEAL WITH OUR AGENDA.
I, OH, THAT'S GOING TO BE COMMISSIONER TORONTO.
UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OPPOSED MOTIONS.
FIRST IS THAT, UM, WE, UM, MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT ITEMS ONE THROUGH SEVEN.
HOWEVER, WE NEED TO SPLIT THAT APART, UM, SINCE WE HAVE A RECUSAL FROM, UM, MADAM CHAIR ON C FOUR.
SO I MOVED THAT WE MOVED TO APPROVE C 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, AND SEVEN.
AND IS THERE ANYONE WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THOSE WHO HAS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THEY NEED TO PROVIDE? OR IF YOU'RE JUST HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, YOU ARE GETTING THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL? UH, CERTAINLY NOT.
SO THE MOTION IS TO, UH, GO WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
THE MOTION IS TO GO WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ONE THROUGH THREE AND FIVE THROUGH SEVEN.
COMMISSIONER REEVES, DOES THAT ADDRESS J UH, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON'S QUESTION ABOUT FAIR PARK.
UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON ASKED QUESTIONS AND SAID HE WAS SATISFIED.
OUR SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER SMITH.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
THOSE ITEMS HAVE, HAVE, UM, MOVED FORWARD USING STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
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THE ROOM NOW.ALRIGHT, FOR CONSENT, ITEM C FOUR, I MOVE THAT WE MOVE THAT ITEM ALSO TO APPROVE FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? YES.
AND NOW YOU GET TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION.
ANOTHER MOTION, UH, IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, IN PERSON ONLINE SPEAKERS PROPOSE THAT WE REORGANIZE THE AGENDA TO THE FOLLOWING ORDER.
AND I'M GONNA GO BY THE AGENDA ORDER, WHICH SEEMS TO MATCH WITH THE REGISTERED SPEAKER ORDER, WHICH DOES NOT MATCH THE TABLE OF CONTENTS AND FOR ANYBODY THAT'S FOLLOWING ALONG, BUT THE AGENDA NUMBERS AND THE SIGNUP SPEAKER NUMBERS MATCH.
SO THAT SAID, I PROPOSE THAT WE REORDER THESE TO CR 8, 9, 10, 11, FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION D 13, 14, 15, 17, 18, 12, AND 16.
LET ME, YOU WANT ME TO READ IT AGAIN? ALL RIGHT, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SKIP THE LETTERS THIS TIME.
SO WE'RE JUST GONNA GO 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 17, 18, 12 AND 16.
OH, SECOND IS THAT, SECOND IS COMMISSIONER REEDS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE? YES.
IN THAT CASE, STAFF, WE ARE READY TO BEGIN COURTESY REVIEW ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, COURTESY ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, PARDON ME, CHRISTINA PEREZ, ON BEHALF OF STAFF 50 15 REGER AVENUE, MUNGER PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL DISTRICT 14 COA 26 0 0 0 3 5 5, REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COURTESY REVIEW TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE REAR YARD.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION, COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION REQUIRED THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ACCESSORY STRUCTURE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK REVIEW.
AND, UH, TASK FORCE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION COURTESY REVIEW TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN WHERE YARD TO BE APPROVED OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, THAT THE WINDOWS BE ALL WOOD, AND THAT THE ARCHITECT CONFIRM ROOF PITCH AND DORMER IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
AND WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM, MS. TON.
ARE YOU ONLINE? I SEE HER THERE.
UM, AND, UM, MS. TON, WE DO NEED YOU TO, UH, TURN ON YOUR CAMERA.
IT IS A STATE LAW THAT YOU MUST BE ON VIEW WHILE SPEAKING AT A PUBLIC MEETING LIKE THIS.
CAN YOU HEAR ME, MA'AM? ARE WE HAVING ANY TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY? UM, WE MIGHT, UM, I DO HAVE THE SMALL PRESENTATION IF WE WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR.
COMMISSIONER IS AT HO CAN YOU HEAR US? COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? CAN YOU HEAR US OKAY? WHAT'S WRONG,
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THAT.UM, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE CAN HEAR US MYSELF.
IT JUST ASKED ME TO UNMUTE MYSELF, BUT CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.
WE ARE GONNA NEED YOUR CAMERA ON TOO.
I AM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT I'M DOING WRONG.
I USE FACETIME FREQUENTLY ON MY COMPUTER, SO I'M NOT SURE WHY IT ISN'T WORKING.
OURS, IT, THIS SYSTEM IS OFTEN CONFUSING.
YOU HAVE A MINUTE TO WORK ON IT BECAUSE STAFF IS GONNA TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR PROJECT AND THEN WE'LL, HOPEFULLY SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR SOLUTION IS, BUT PEOPLE OFTEN FIGURE OUT EVENTUALLY.
I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE EYEBALL THING DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, BUT
WHILE SHE'S, UM, WORKING ON THAT, I WILL SHARE MY SCREEN AND JUST GIVE A VERY BRIEF, UM, OVERVIEW OF THIS.
THIS IS FOR COURTESY REVIEW 50 15.
AGAIN, THIS IS A CONSTRUCT, A NEW ACCESSORY BUILDING.
SO THIS ONE IS, IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
UM, BECAUSE I'M, SHE'S GONNA SHOW YOU THIS TOO.
UM, INITIALLY WE CAME WITH, UH, A SPECIFIC SET OF PLANS THAT YOU'LL SEE IN YOUR DOCKET.
HOWEVER, UM, APPLICANT HAS DECIDED TO MAYBE GO A DIFFERENT WAY.
SO WE, I ALSO INCLUDED JUST ONE SINGLE RENDERING TO SEE, UH, WHAT YOUR FEELINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ON THIS NEW CHANGE.
THAT'S WHY IF YOU'LL SEE IT, THE RENDERING LOOKS DIFFERENT THAN THE PLANS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED.
AND ORIGINALLY THIS WAS GONNA BE A FULL CA BUT SINCE THERE WAS SOME CHANGES, WE DECIDED TO MOVE IT AS A COURTESY REVIEW SO SHE COULD STILL GET YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND THOUGHTS ON WHAT SHE'S NOW WANTING AS THE ACCESSORY BUILDING SLASH FULL HOUSE IN THE BACK.
SO THIS IS THE RENDERING, UH, MIKAYLA, IS THIS STILL WHERE WE'RE AT AS FAR AS, YES.
SO I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU THE BACKGROUND.
THAT WAY IT DOESN'T EAT UP INTO HER THREE MINUTES OF SPEAKING OR, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER LONG.
SO PLEASE DISREGARD THE FULL PLANS THAT ARE IN THE DOCKET.
SHE WOULD LIKE TO GO THIS PATHWAY.
AND THEN I WILL LET YOU NOW ANSWER QUESTIONS OR HER SPEAK.
SO, SO THE ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT'S NEW, ELIMINATES THE SIDELIGHTS ON THE DOOR AND WELL, THE FULL YOU HAD WAS WERE LIKE, THE ROOF PITCH WAS LIKE SUPER STEEP AND KIND OF YEAH.
NOW SHE WANTS TO GO THIS ROUTE.
SHE UNDERSTANDS THAT THE, IT'S NOT A FULL APPLICATION BECAUSE THE ARCHITECT COULDN'T MAKE THE TURNAROUND TIME FAST ENOUGH, BUT SHE'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS AS THE POOL HOUSE.
IN THE BACK, WHICH WILL NOT BE SEEN FROM THE PUBLIC VIEW AT ALL.
AND MS. HOT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? ARE YOU ASKING ME, MCKAYLA? YEAH, WE CAN SEE YOU.
SO THIS IS REALLY JUST AN AI RENDERING.
UM, WE WOULD PROBABLY NOT HAVE THOSE BRICK COLUMNS WITH POTS AI JUST DECIDED TO ADD IT THERE.
UM, WE ACTUALLY WILL BE GOING BACK TO A DOOR WITH SIDELIGHTS, UH, VERY SIMILAR TO THE FRONT DOOR ON OUR ACTUAL HOUSE, WHICH CHRISTINA HAD UP ON THE SCREEN A MINUTE AGO.
UM, AND THEN THE WINDOWS WILL BE A LITTLE BIT DEEPER.
SO OUR DOOR AND SIDELIGHTS WILL BE VERY SIMILAR TO THE ORIGINAL HOUSE THERE.
SO ASSUMING WE, UM, GET SOME GOOD FEEDBACK HERE TODAY, I, I AM READY WITH THE ARCHITECTS TO GET OUR SIX PAGES OF DRAWINGS ALL FINISHED UP SO THAT WE CAN COME BACK NEXT MONTH.
WELL LET'S SEE WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO SAY.
AND IF YOU'RE A COMMISSIONER AT HOME, I CAN'T SEE YOU, SO YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING.
WELL, DON'T STOP SHARING 'CAUSE WE WANNA LOOK AT IT, BUT THEY JUST NEED TO SAY IF THEY WANNA TALK, THAT'S ALL.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT PICTURE.
OF WHY THEY'RE, IT LOOKED DIFFERENT THAN THE PLANTS.
UM, I THINK IT'S A SUCCESSFUL DESIGN.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE REPEAT OF THE DORMER.
LIKE ON THE, THE FRONT PORTION OF THE HOUSE.
I THINK IT'S VERY SIMILAR, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT BE IDENTICAL.
UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S, THE SLOPE MIGHT BE A, A LITTLE BIT SHALLOWER, BUT I DON'T MIND THAT AT ALL.
UM, THE WINDOW ARRANGEMENT, THE FACT THAT THEY ARE GANGED WITH THE, OR AT LEAST THE VERSION I'M LOOKING AT THAT HAS THE SIDELIGHTS AND THE TWO PAIR OF, UH, GANGED WINDOWS ON EITHER SIDE.
UM, I THINK THE PROPORTION AND UM, AND ARRANGEMENT IS SUCCESSFUL THERE AS WELL.
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OKAY.ANYONE ELSE? WELL, WE ALWAYS WANNA VERIFY, MA'AM, ARE YOU PLANNING ON USING ACTUAL WOOD SIDING MADE OF WOOD? AND ALSO ARE THE WINDOWS GOING TO BE MADE OF WOOD OR WHAT ARE THEY GONNA BE MADE OF? SO DEFINITELY WOOD ON THE SIDING.
I DON'T KNOW IF CHRISTINA WAS ABOUT TO JUMP IN.
UM, WE CAN DO ALL WOOD WINDOWS IF THAT IS REQUIRED.
UM, BUT GIVEN THAT IT'S VERY FAR IN THE BACKYARD, ALL THE WAY BEHIND A POOL AND WILL NEVER BE SEEN FOR COST PURPOSES, I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO USE THE JEL ONE, WHICH I BELIEVE ARE ALUMINUM.
UM, WE WOULD PAINT ALL THE TRIM AND EVERYTHING TO LOOK IDENTICAL TO OUR HOUSE.
IT'S ACTUALLY NOT QUITE RIGHT ON HERE.
THERE'LL BE A LITTLE MORE OF THE BURGUNDY TRIM, BUT OKAY.
BUT THEY MAKE SOME THAT REALLY LOOK LIKE THE ONES IN YOUR HOUSE ARE SIMILAR IN THEIR, UM, THEY, THEY REALLY, YES, THEY REALLY DO.
UM, IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT COST SAVINGS IF WE COULD DO IT, BUT, OKAY.
AND YOU HAVE A DOOR THAT LOOKS LIKE THE SIDELIGHT ONE, YOU SHOW US YOU FOUND A SUPPLIER.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR ACTUAL HOUSE, THERE'S ONE IN STOCK VERY SIMILAR AT LIKE LOWE'S AND HOME DEPOT.
DOES THE ORDINANCE SPEAK TO, OR DOES IT ALLOW FOR ACCESSORY BUILDINGS TO HAVE NON WOOD WINDOWS OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO, I MEAN, IF THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T ALLOW IT, THEN WE NEED TO SEE WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH IT.
SO YOU'RE ASKING IF IT SPECIFICALLY STATES THEY MUST OR EXCLUDES ALLOWING THEM TO, UM, OF COURSE WHAT WE'RE, PART OF WHAT WE'LL BE CONSIDERING ON THIS IS THAT NO ONE EVER SEES IT UNLESS THEY'RE INVITED OVER TO SWIM IN THE POOL BECAUSE IT'S NOT VIEWABLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY BEING IN THE FRONT BACK.
SO, WELL, I'M NOT SURE THE ORDINANCE SAYS IF YOU DON'T SEE IT, IT DOESN'T COUNT.
THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING WHERE, WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS.
UM, AND STAFF IS CHECKING TO SEE WHAT THE ORDINANCE ACTUALLY SAYS, IF ANYTHING ABOUT THAT ISSUE.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS YOU'LL SEE FROM THE STREET THAT WE, LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, THE REAR OF A HOUSE YOU DON'T SEE FROM THE STREET, AND THEN WE REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE WOOD WINDOWS.
SO I DON'T, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE GOING THE RIGHT DIRECTION, THAT WE'RE NOT GOING ON UNCHARTERED TERRITORY.
IT, IT LITERALLY JUST SAYS COMPATIBLE.
SO THAT'S UP TO Y'ALL TO DECIDE IF IT'S COMPATIBLE.
UM, MUNGER, DOES MUNGER ALSO HAVE A DEFENSE TO PROSECUTION? LIKE THIS WOULD BE IN THE REAR YARD UNDER SIX FEET TALL.
I MEAN UNDER SIX FEET IN HEIGHT.
SO, SO MY, MY POINT WOULD BE THAT IT, IT WOULD HAVE LIKE ZERO IMPACT ON THE STREET VIEW.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE CONSIDERING WHENEVER THIS MOVES FORWARD.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, THAT THE, UM, ALL THE ORDINANCE TELLS US IS COMPATIBLE, WHICH LEAVES A LOT OF JUDGMENT AND CHRISTINA HAS GONE AND STOOD ON THE SIDEWALK AND VERIFIED WE WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO SEE THIS AS PART OF THE STREETSCAPE.
SO THOSE ARE THINGS WE'LL BE THINKING ABOUT.
ANY OTHER CONCERNS? UH, COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS, UH, GET ME UPDATED JUST REAL BRIEFLY ON THE, THE, THE ONE THAT'S IN THE PACKET OF THAT.
YES, THAT'S WHAT I, I SAID THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
NOT THE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS, THE ONE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN? YES.
'CAUSE THE ONE IN THE PACKET WAS INITIALLY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A FULL CA.
BUT THEY HAVE CHANGED THEIR MIND ON THE DESIGN.
THEY DIDN'T QUITE LIKE THAT GOTCHA.
PITCH AND EVERYTHING ON THE ROOF.
SO THIS IS MORE LIKE WHAT SHE WOULD WANT, ASIDE FROM THIS ONE DOESN'T SHOW THE SIDE LIGHTS, WHICH THEY WANT TO HAVE.
THIS WAS JUST A QUICK RENDERING OF THE BASIC SHAPE, THE DORMER.
BUT SHE WOULD LIKE TO ADD THE, THE DOOR, THEY WANT IT TO MATCH THE MAIN HOUSE.
THE, UM, THE WINDOWS AND THE EXTERIOR CASING.
IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE ON THE, UH, THE ONE THAT'S ON OUR SCREEN, BUT THE SEEMS LIKE THERE IS, UM, AN OMISSION FROM WHAT THE PREVIOUS DESIGN WAS THAT THEY HAD THOSE EXTERIOR CASINGS.
UH, SEEMS LIKE, UH, AND THAT'S WHAT SHE'S LOOKING, WHATEVER YOU RECOMMEND, THE, THEY WANNA JUST HAVE THE ARCHITECT REDRAW MORE TO THIS STYLE MM-HMM
UM, AND IF YOU RECOMMEND THAT IT HAVE, THAT SHE'S ACTUALLY ACTIVELY TAKING NOTES AND THEN I'LL GIVE HER YOUR COURTESY REVIEW FORMS. 'CAUSE THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO IT AS SMOOTHLY AS POSSIBLE, BUT MORE SO WITH THIS TYPE OF DESIGN THAN THE INITIAL ONE.
YEAH, IT JUST, JUST DEPENDS, KIND OF DEPENDS ON WHAT THE, UH, THE NEW PROPOSED ONE IS.
I CAN'T PROBABLY SEE IT OR LOOK INTO, I DON'T KNOW IF IT, HOW MUCH IT WOULD BE A DEAL BREAKER ON THAT PARTICULAR THING, BUT IF THEY DID GO SOMETHING TO THE, THE, THE PREVIOUSLY ONE THAT'S IN OUR PACKET, UM, NO, THEY, THEY WANNA
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LEAN TOWARDS THIS ONE, SO THEY WANNA LEAN TOWARDS THIS ONE.THE REASON, SO THEY DON'T WANNA, YEAH, THEY DON'T WANNA REALLY MATCH THE CASING OF THE HOUSE, THE EXTERIOR WINDOW.
HE'S, HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE CASING AROUND THE WINDOW, LIKE REST INCH BOARD AROUND ALL THE WINDOWS, WINDOWS.
THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE A WAY WE WOULD, UM, DIRECT HER.
SHE'S LOOKING TO GO THAT DIRECT DIRECTION MATCHING THE HOUSE MAINFRAME, THE CASING.
AND THAT'S WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE.
THE ONE THAT'S IN THE PACKET SEEMS TO BE THAT CASING SEEMS TO MATCH IT.
ALTHOUGH YOU, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE COLORING, THEY GOT THAT BROWN COLORING ON IT INSTEAD OF THE WHITE.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO CORRECT.
I THINK SHE MS TON, YES, WE WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE THE BURGUNDY.
I, I WAS ABLE TO GET AN AI RENDERING A LOT CLOSER WITH THE BURGUNDY TRIM.
UM, AND ACTUALLY IT HAS KIND OF OF LIKE A YELLOW TRIM DOWN THE LEFT AND RIGHT SIDES VERY SIMILARLY TO OUR ACTUAL HOUSE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING A LOT CLOSER.
I'M SORRY, THIS ONE ISN'T QUITE, YEAH.
JUST SO YOU CAN MAKE A NOTE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY MR. CUMMINGS? A FOUR INCH TRIM AROUND IT? YEAH.
I WOULD BE A FOUR INCH BLACKBOARD AROUND IT.
AND IF YOU COULD DEFINITELY PUT THAT ON THE CURSORY REVIEW FORMS BECAUSE I'LL BE GIVING IT TO HER.
SO THAT THEY KNOW WHICH DIRECTION SHE JUST WANTS TO GO SMOOTHLY INTO THE FULL CA.
BASICALLY AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IT IS WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR PACKET WITH IT WITH A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ROOF KIND OF.
THEY DIDN'T END UP LIKING THE ROOF.
I DID PUT THIS EXACT PICTURE THAT YOU SEE IN, BECAUSE THIS WAS WHAT THE FINAL RENDERING WAS.
UM, THE OTHER ONE WAS JUST ALREADY IN THE DOCKET.
THIS WAS KIND OF A LAST MINUTE CHANGE.
SO THAT'S WHY THE OTHER ONE, SORRY TO CONFUSE YOU, BUT IT WAS YEAH.
GOING FOR A CA THIS IS WHY KIND OF SOME OF THE NUMBERING GOT OFF
THAT'S A KEY THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.
BASICALLY WE'RE LOOKING, LOOKING AT WHAT, WHAT'S IN WITH, WITH THE DARK TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS AND ALL OF THAT, EXCEPT WITH A DIFFERENT ROOF.
YOU CAN SEE HOW, HOW, HOW LOWER THE ROOF IS AND HOW GENTLE THE SLOW COMPARED, RIGHT? YES.
WELL THAT EXPLAINS A LOT OF EVERY, WHATEVER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
TO ME,
AND THEY DID SAY THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PUT THOSE CONCRETE PEDESTALS NO, SHE SAYS PROBABLY NOT.
THE, AND I GET YOU'RE STAYING WITH THE BOTTOM, UH, THAT TRIM AT THE BOTTOM.
AND THAT WILL ALSO GO UP THE LEFT RIGHT SIDES LIKE OUR REAL HOUSE.
IS THAT TRIM PUT ON FOR ANY LIKE WATERPROOFING CONCERNS OR ANYTHING? I WAS JUST WONDERING 'CAUSE IT'S, YOU DO HAVE A APRON.
I'M, I, I WOULD GUESS AROUND YOUR PORCH I GUESS, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU'D HAVE A BASE MOLDING ON THE MAIN PART OF THAT HOUSE.
NO, NO BASEMENT RIGHT NOW THAT AREA IS JUST GRASS.
SO WE WOULD PUT SOME KIND OF FOUNDATION DOWN TO BUILD IT UP BEHIND THE POOL.
IT MIGHT BE MORE TRADITION IF THAT WOULD SIDING WOULD GO DOWN TO THE PORCH LEVEL THAT JUST LIKE A SKIRTING KINDA LIKE, YEAH, YEAH.
IT'S, IT'S VERY, VERY NICE THOUGH.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ONE? UH, ME AGAIN.
UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO REPLICATE THE, THE, THE, THE WELL IN THIS PICTURE, THE, THE, THE LINE UNDERNEATH THE PORCH WITH THE LINE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HOUSE IN THE BACK.
NOT EXACTLY REPLICATE, BUT AT LEAST ALLUDE TO IT SO THAT TO INCREASE COMPATIBILITY.
OBVIOUSLY THIS, THIS THING IN BACK DOESN'T, THIS THING IN BACK, THE SMALL BUILDING IN BACK IS NOT KIND TO HAVE A PORSCHE SO THAT THROWS YOU OFF A LITTLE BIT, BUT, GOT IT.
OKAY, WELL THANK YOU MA'AM FOR COMING AND ASKING OUR OPINION BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR FORMAL APPLICATION AND WE WILL SEE YOU BACK WITH WITH THAT ONE.
I'LL GET BACK TO YOU MIKAYLA WITH ALL THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL.
OKAY, NOW WE HAVE NEXT UP IS CR NINE.
AND WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE, SO I WILL READ IT IN AGAIN.
CHRISTINA, PER ON BEHALF OF STAFF CR 9 48 35 JUNIOR STREET, PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION, HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL DISTRICT TWO CO 8 26 0 0 0 3 18.
TO REQUEST REQUEST NUMBER ONE, A COURTESY REVIEW TO RESTORE MAIN STRUCTURE TO ORIGINAL SINGLE FAMILY ARCHITECTURE.
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NUMBER TWO, A COURTESY REVIEW TO CONSTRUCT A REAR CARPORT STAFF RECOMMENDATION COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION REQUIRED THAT THE REQUEST TO RESTORE MAIN STRUCTURE TO THE ORIGINAL SINGLE FAMILY ARCHITECTURE AND CONSTRUCT A REAR CARPORT BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK CO COMMISSION REVIEW.AND THE UH, TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST TO RESTORE MAIN STRUCTURE TO ORIGINAL SINGLE FAMILY ARCHITECTURE AND CONSTRUCT ARREAR CARPORT BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE FOLLOWING.
RECOMMENDATIONS AND COMMENTS, REMOVAL OF NON HISTORIC STRUCTURES AND CENTER WINDOW ON FRONT IS APPROVED.
NUMBER ONE, ELEVATIONS OF THE SIDES AND REAR OF THE HOUSE ARE NEEDED.
WHAT IS PROPOSED TO REPLACE THE DOORS ON THE SECOND FLOOR ONCE THE STAIRS ARE REMOVED? NUMBER TWO, NEED WINDOWS SURVEY WITH MEASUREMENTS.
NUMBER THREE, PROPOSED PORCH SHOULD MATCH THE HOUSE TO THE RIGHT AT 48 39 GENUS WITH RESPECT TO MASSING OF COLUMNS.
HEADER BEAM, BASE OF COLUMNS SHOULD BE BRICK NUMBER FOUR, CAR CARPORT COLUMNS SHOULD BE WRAPPED WITH ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS SIMILAR TO FRONT PORCH COLUMNS, HEADER NEEDED ON CARPORT.
NUMBER FIVE, NEED DETAILS, MEASUREMENTS ON ELEMENTS AND MATERIALS LISTS.
YES, SHE IS IN FRANCE RIGHT NOW, SO OH,
SHE ONLINE SHE'LL HAVE TO GET ONLINE.
ANNAMARIE, ARE YOU ABLE TO, WE'RE SHOWING HER.
WE DO NEED YOUR CAMERA ON MA'AM.
I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT SOMETIMES WITH OUR SYSTEM.
IN THE MEANTIME, I DO HAVE ALSO LIKE A LITTLE QUICK PRESENTATION TO SHOW YOU.
UM, I KEEP CUTTING YOU OFF, DON'T I? IT'S OKAY.
NO, USUALLY WE DO THE PRESENTATION, BUT THESE TWO APPLICANTS HAPPEN TO USE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE.
SO I THOUGHT I WOULD SHOW YOU THIS FIRST.
WHILE SHE'S TRYING TO, IT WILL HELP, UM, HER I BELIEVE.
SO WE ALREADY WENT THROUGH THE REQUEST.
I JUST WANNA POINT OUT RIGHT HERE IS ONE PICTURE.
SO IF YOU LOOK HERE, HERS IS WHERE THE RED.IS.
BUT YOU CAN SEE THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE.
WE WERE CALLING IT THE SISTER HOUSE.
IT IS BASICALLY IDENTICAL OR WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT IDENTICAL.
AND I DID INCLUDE THE SANDBORN MAP AND I HAVE IT HERE JUST SO THAT WE CAN ALL SEE THAT FIRST.
HERE THEY ARE DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM, IF YOU CAN SEE MY CURSOR HERE.
AND THEN THE NEXT DOOR IS ITS SISTER.
NOW HERS CURRENTLY THE PORCH HAS BEEN REMOVED.
THIS IS THE BIG ASPECT THAT SHE'S ASKING FOR.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THEY INITIALLY LOOKED PRETTY IDENTICAL.
UM, SO WE'LL GO UP TO SEE THIS IS HER CURRENT HOUSE RIGHT NOW, WHICH HAS THE TWO DOORS AND THE AWNING, NO PORCH.
WE'VE ALREADY DONE, UH, ROUTINES TO REMOVE ALL THE ACCESSOR, EXTERIOR STAIRCASES.
WE'RE TRYING TO BRING IT BACK TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND THE DECKING AS WELL.
AND THIS LITTLE TINY WINDOW, WE'VE DONE A ROUTINE TO GET RID OF IT AND RESTORE IT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL.
SO THE BIG FOCUS FOR TODAY ARE THE PORCH MAINLY AND THE CARPORT.
AND I JUST WANTED YOU TO SEE ITS SISTER HOME.
WHAT THE PORCH, WHAT WE'RE HOPING IS PRETTY CLOSE TO THE ORIGINAL PORCH.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF COURSE OLD PHOTOS, BUT THIS IS WHAT SHE'S TRYING TO BASE HER PORCH ON TO MATCH.
UM, WE HAVE THE PLANS, SO IF SHE'S ON YET, I DON'T SEE HER, BUT HERE ARE HER, HER RECOMMENDATIONS SO FAR FOR THE PORCH.
IT DOES NOT HAVE THE, THE DORMER LIKE THE OTHER ONE DOES AND I'M WAITING FOR HER TO GET ON, BUT I KIND OF KNOW WHAT SHE'S LOOKING FOR.
SO YOU SEE HOW THIS ONE HAS THIS STEER? YEAH.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE MY MOUSE.
UM, SO FAR I KNOW THAT FOR SURE.
I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S GETTING ON YET.
SHE DOES WANNA KEEP THE TWO DOORS THOUGH, SO I WASN'T SURE HOW COMMISSION WOULD FEEL ABOUT CHANGING IT TO A SINGLE FAMILY, BUT KEEPING THE TWO DOORS INSIDE BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL,
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YOU KNOW, THE SISTER HOUSE DOESN'T HAVE THE TWO DOORS, SO I TOLD HER THAT MIGHT BE, THERE MIGHT BE SOME QUESTION ABOUT THAT SHE WANTS TO MAKE, KEEP THE, WHAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT HAND SIDE DOOR, ACTUALLY THE SAME DOOR THAT'S THERE AND TURN THE OTHER ONE INTO A GLASS DOOR.I GUESS THERE WILL BE AN OFFICE OR SOMETHING THERE TO COME OUT.
BUT MY BIGGEST THINGS FOR HER WERE THE TWO DOORS AND THEN THE PORCH LOOKING DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER ONE.
'CAUSE NOW WE'RE NO LONGER TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK ORIGINAL.
WE'RE KIND OF MAKING IT ORIGINAL ISH
WELL, UM, WE DO HAVE EXAMPLES IN PEAKS AND PROBABLY OTHER PLACES OF FORMER DUPLEXES WHERE IT WAS TURNED INTO ONE, A SINGLE HOUSE AND THEY KEPT BOTH DOORS.
THEY MIGHT RIGHT UP ONE INSIDE AND THESE DOOR PLACEMENT IS CERTAINLY NICER THAN SOME HOUSES THAT ARE TURNED INTO A DUPLEX.
ALL I CAN SAY ON THE ISSUE OF THE PORCHES, WE DON'T LIKE TO, UM, IMAGINE HOW THINGS MIGHT HAVE BEEN, BUT THERE IS ANOTHER TWIN SAID TWIN HOUSES IN PEAKS.
I LIVE IN ONE OF THEM AND OUR PORCHES ARE EXTREMELY SIMILAR BUT NOT THE SAME.
ONLY ONE OF US HAS THE FRONT GABLE ON THE SIDE AND THEN THE OTHER ONE HAS IT IN THE MIDDLE THERE AND THE COLUMNS MINOR STRAIGHT, THEIRS ARE CANTED.
SO THEY, THEY'RE VERY, VERY SIMILAR BUT NOT IDENTICAL.
AND IT'S ALSO CON CONTEXTUAL PERHAPS TO JUST EXACTLY COPY YOUR NEIGHBOR WHEN MAYBE IN REAL TIME NO ONE WANTED TO BUILD THE EXACT SAME THING AS THEIR NEIGHBOR
SO IT'S, IT, YOU CAN GO EITHER WAY UNDER JUDGMENT OF WHICH IS THE LEAST CON CONTEXTUAL.
AND I DON'T SEE THAT SHE'S ON OR APRIL.
I MEAN, EITHER WAY SHE DID SEND ME AN EMAIL IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENED THAT I CAN READ TO YOU VERBATIM THAT WHAT SHE WANTED, IF THAT HELPS SO THAT SHE CAN STILL GET HER RECOMMENDATIONS AND YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD.
SHE SENT IT THIS MORNING AND UNLESS SHE'S ABLE TO GET ON, LET ME JUST, UH, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY SHE'S ON TO SOME DEGREE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF SHE CAN HEAR US.
OR IS IT UNABLE TO? I KNOW THERE IS A, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S LIKE AN INTERNET SITUATION, BUT I'LL READ IT.
SHE SENT IT THIS MORNING AT 4 42 THIS MORNING.
SO I'LL JUST READ IT VERBATIM.
UM, MY NAME IS ANNMARIE STAR AND I'M WRITING THE SIGN IN FOR TODAY'S MEETING REGARDING THE DISCUSSION OF MY PROPERTY 48 35 JUNIOR STREET BECAUSE I'M IN FRANCE, WHICH IS A SEVEN HOURS LATER THAN IN DALLAS.
AND BECAUSE OH, BECAUSE I AM NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE I WILL SUCCEED IN SIGNING IN BOTH AUDIO AND VIDEO, SHE KNEW THERE MIGHT BE A PROBLEM.
I'M WRITING THIS EMAIL, UH, WITH WHAT I INTEND TO SAY JUST IN CASE I CANNOT DO IT BECAUSE OF TECHNICAL GLITCH.
CHRISTINA, IF YOU ARE AT MY MEETING AND I'M NOT SIGNED IN, CAN YOU READ IT FOR ME? SO HERE I GO.
UM, I WANT TO EXPLAIN WHAT I NEED APPROVAL OF THE PRESERVATION COMMITTEE FOR SINCE I DID NOT ENTER IT ON MY CA.
THAT'S BECAUSE HER AND I, SHE'S COME IN MULTIPLE TIMES.
SHE'S VERY AMENABLE TO MAKING THIS PROCESS AS EASY AS POSSIBLE.
OUR HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1914 AT THE SAME TIME AS THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR AND THE TWO HOUSES ARE SORT OF TWINS.
THE HOUSE IS A HYBRID BETWEEN A PRAIRIE STYLE HOUSE AND AN AMERICAN FOURSQUARE HOUSE.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE HOUSE HAS BEEN MODIFIED INAPPROPRIATELY OVER THE YEARS.
IT WAS TRANSFORMED INTO A FOUR ONE BEDROOM APARTMENTS STRUCTURE WITH THE ADDITION OF THREE UGLY EXTERIOR STAIRCASES,
UH, IN ORDER TO BRING IT BACK TO A ONE FAMILY HOME, RETURN IT TO A PRAIRIE HOUSE, WE ARE RESPECTFULLY ASKING PERMISSION TO ELIMINATE ONE OF THE TWO SOLID WOODEN DOORS OF THE FACADE BY CHANGING ONE TO A GLASS TO RESTORE THE LOOK OF A ONE FAMILY HOME.
NUMBER TWO, ELIMINATE THE NON PERIOD APPROPRIATE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS THAT WERE ADDED.
SMALL WINDOW IN THE FRONT, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN HER THE ROUTINE FOR THAT.
THE AWNING ALSO, UH, NON-FUNCTIONAL NAILED IN SHUTTERS THAT ARE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE WINDOWS WOODEN FRONT DECK WITH THE RAILING AND THE EXTERIORS.
SO MOST OF THAT'S BEEN DONE AS ROUTINE.
UH, RESTORE THE FRONT PORCH, WHICH WAS DEMOLISHED IN 1960.
I FOUND THE CITY PERMIT ON MICROFILMS AT THE JEFF JEFFERSON OFFICE.
WE WERE TRYING TO MATCH THE PORCH OF THE TWIN HOUSE NEXT DOOR.
AS FAR SIZE AND STYLE WITH SIMILAR POSTS.
WE WILL NOT ADD THE TRIANGULAR DETAIL ON THE PORCH ROOF THAT THE TWIN HOUSE HAS.
SINCE OUR HOUSE DOES NOT HAVE A SIMILAR TRIANGULAR DETAIL ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE ROOF LIKE THE TWIN HOUSE, WE WANT TO MATCH THE ROOF OF OUR PORCH TO THE ROOF OF, OF THE HOUSE.
IN ADDITION, NEITHER PRAIRIE STYLE HOUSES NOR AMERICAN FOURSQUARE
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HOUSES TYPICALLY HAD A TRIANGULAR ELEMENT ON THEIR ROOF.NUMBER FOUR, REOPEN THE WINDOWS THAT GOT BOARDED UP OVER THE YEARS AND ADD WOODEN WINDOWS LIKE THE ORIGINAL.
SO THERE ARE PLACES AROUND THE HOUSE THAT THEY COMPLETELY CLOSED IN ADMINISTRATION, SO THAT'S WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT.
UM, REOPEN THE WIDE OPENING IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE THAT GOT BOARDED UP AND INSTALLED SLIDING GLASS DOOR IN THAT OPENING.
BECAUSE OF THE FREQUENT HAILSTORMS IN DALLAS, WE WOULD LIKE TO BUILD A CARPORT IN THE BACKYARD TO PROTECT OUR CARS.
THE DESIGN USES SIMILAR MATERIALS AND THE CARPORT ROOF MATCHES THE ROOF OF THE MAIN HOUSE.
NUMBER SIX, BECAUSE OF THE FAIRLY FREQUENT CAR THEFTS IN THE CITY, WE WOULD LIKE TO SECURE THE BACKYARD BY ADDING A METAL GATE, WHICH WILL BE SIMILAR STYLE AS THE GATES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE GATE IS NOT ON HERE YET BECAUSE SHE WANTED TO JUST WAIT AND IT MIGHT EVEN JUST BE ROUTINE.
SO REALLY IT'S JUST THE MAIN THING IS THE PORCH CARPORT AND THEN OPENING UP THE WINDOWS.
BUT I THINK OPENING THE WINDOWS CAN BE ROUTINE 'CAUSE WE'RE RESTORING FENESTRATION NUMBER.
WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IF THEY'RE OPENING EXISTING, UH, EXISTING FRAMED OPENINGS YEAH.
AND PUTTING IN THE APPROPRIATE WOOD WINDOWS THAT COULD BE UNDER REACHING RESTORATION.
SO LET ME GO BACK TO, UM, I'LL ACTUALLY OPEN THE DOCKET SINCE SHE'S NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SHARE HER SCREEN.
THAT WAY YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING THAT SHE WANTED TO YOU TO SEE.
UM, WE'RE SHARING YOU, YOU ALREADY DID SEE HER PROPOSED PORT AS OF RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO ANYTHING YOU, YOU CAN, OH, I THOUGHT SHE WAS TRYING TO COME ON.
ANYTHING YOU CAN RECOMMEND, PLEASE FILL OUT THE COURTESY REVIEW FORMS AND I'LL GIVE THEM TO HER, UM, SO SHE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE, THE HOUSE, WHICH ALL OF THIS IS YOUR DOCKET AND YOU CAN JUST SEE THE, UH, THE HOUSE IS NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
LEMME SEE MORE IMAGES IS WHAT I'M WANTING YOU TO SEE, LIKE OF THE REAR.
OKAY, THAT'S THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
AGAIN, WE'RE REMOVING THIS EXTERIOR, UM, STAIRCASE.
AND I WONDER IF SHE, YOU CAN SEE GOOD PICTURES OF THE CUTOUTS.
SHE JUST WANTED TO SHOW US UP CLOSE PHOTOS, I GUESS FOR RESTORING THE WINDOW FENESTRATION.
I'LL HAVE TO GET BETTER PHOTOS TO SEE IF IT ACTUALLY WAS A TRUE CUTOUT OR NOT.
UM, I THINK WITHOUT HER BEING HERE, IF WE CAN BASICALLY ADDRESS THE PORCH IN THE CARPORT, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP HER.
SO WHAT DO WE HAVE TO SAY? SHE MAY BE LISTENING.
IF YOU'RE LISTENING, MA'AM, WELCOME AND
AND IF YOU'RE NOT, WELL ENJOY PARIS
COMMISSIONER RENO STARTED FIRST.
JUST WANTED TO MENTION A FEW THINGS ABOUT, UM, FENESTRATIONS.
I, I REALIZE THE SIDE ELEVATIONS WEREN'T, UH, SHOWN HOWEVER THE PLANS ARE.
SO I'M, UM, UH, LOOKING AT WINDOW ALIGNMENTS MM-HMM.
BETWEEN FIRST FLOOR AND SECOND FLOOR.
I, I KNOW ON THE ONE SIDE ELEVATION THAT YOU'VE INCLUDED, YES.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO ALIGN THEM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF THE DOORS, FOR INSTANCE, WERE GONNA GO AWAY.
AND, UM, I FEEL LIKE IN PARTICULARLY, UH, PARTICULARLY ON THE GROUND LEVEL, UM, AT THE, UH, WHERE THE PIANO ROOM IS, UH, IT COULD USE A SECOND WINDOW ON THAT FACADE THAT COULD ALIGN WITH THE WINDOW UP ABOVE IN THE BEDROOM.
UM, REGARDING THE, THE FRONT PORCH, UH, THE TASK FORCE I THINK HAD MENTIONED, UH, ABOUT ADDING BRICK BASES TO THOSE TWO PART COLUMNS.
I THINK THAT, UM, WOULD DEFINITELY BE MORE APPROPRIATE THAN A WOODEN BASE.
UM, THE WAY IT'S SHOWN WITH THE, I BELIEVE YOU WERE SHOWING HORIZONTAL SIDING ON THAT, UM, I THINK THE BRICK WOULD BE MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE.
UM, THOSE ARE MY, WERE, UH, MY BIGGEST CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, BOTH FENESTRATION AND, AND DETAILS.
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MY BIGGEST CONCERN, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR FIXING THIS HOUSE.I'VE BEEN IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND THIS HAS BEEN MESSED UP FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME.
SO THIS IS A GOOD, GOOD THING.
BUT THE THING I NOTICED FIRST OF ALL IS THE FENESTRATION.
THE, THE, THE, THE, UM, THERE'S A LACK OF SYMMETRY.
GENERALLY, THESE HOUSE ARE SYMMETRICAL TO SOME EXTENT ON THE FIRST FLOOR, AND MOST OFTEN THERE'S SYMMETRICAL FROM FLOOR TO FLOOR.
IT APPEARS TO ME THAT THE FIRST FLOOR HAS BEEN ALTERED DRAMATICALLY AND IT NO LONGER LINES UP.
THE, IF THE TWO WINDOWS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE COULD BE MOVED OVER TO LINE UP WITH THOSE.
IT, THE WHOLE THING IS JUST SORT OF A, A, A HODGEPODGE.
AND IT, IT'S A SHAME TO BE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY TO DO ALL THIS WORK AND THEN NOT HAVE IT REALLY WORK.
UM, I THINK YOU CAN SEE IT MORE DRAMATICALLY IN THIS PICTURE.
THE, IT APPEARS THAT THE WHOLE FIRST FLOOR HAS BEEN RECONFIGURED TO MAKE IT INTO A MULTI MULTIPLEX DUPLEX OR FOUR UNITS, WHATEVER.
SO I WOULD SONG YOU RECOMMEND TRYING TO MOVE THOSE WINDOWS AROUND A LITTLE BIT? I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST GETTING RID OF ONE OF THE DOORS, BUT THAT IS AN OPTION THEY MAYBE DON'T WANNA DO.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS THE COLUMNS ARE VERY NARROW.
UH, THEY SEEM TO BE KIND OF SPINDLY AND MAY THEY, MAYBE IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT BOXIER, A LITTLE STARTER.
UM, AND THE ALSO THE COLUMN BASE BEING BRICK, THEY NEED TO BE A LITTLE STOWED.
I THINK THAT WOULD HELP A LOT.
ANYONE ELSE? COMMISSIONER HARPER? YEAH, JUST SIMILAR TO UM, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON'S COMMENTS.
I MEAN, I AM A LITTLE BIT TROUBLED, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA RECONSTRUCT THIS PORT SOMEWHAT CONJECTURING WITH WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE, BUT NOW THE, THE COLUMN PLACEMENTS AND THE STAIR PLACEMENTS REALLY DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE WITH THE DOOR LOCATIONS THAT ARE THERE.
AND I GUESS I CAN APPRECIATE THE OWNER NOT WANTING TO MOVE THE, THE WINDOWS OR DOORS WHERE THEY ARE, BUT ARE WE KIND OF PERPETUATING A PROBLEM BY NOW? CONSTRUCTING A PORT THAT ARCHITECTURALLY DOESN'T REALLY WORK WITH ANY OF THOSE ELEMENTS LIKE THEY TYPICALLY WOULD IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? I JUST THOUGHT I'D MENTIONED IT BEFORE.
IT COMES BACK TO US FOR REAL, BUT I THINK THAT'S WORTH MORE CONSIDERATION.
AND THEN ALSO I QUESTION THE DOOR STYLES THAN THEMSELVES AS THEY'RE PRESENTED IN THE PACKAGE BEING COMPATIBLE WITH NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, I, I WOULD AGREE THAT THE, UM, THE DOOR STYLE SHOWN IS NOT PROBABLY WHAT ONE WOULD SEE ON THIS HOUSE.
AND IF AN ACTUAL GLASS DOOR, IF YOU MEAN JUST TRIM AROUND THE SIDE AND ALL GLASS IN THE MIDDLE IS, UM, SUGGESTED INSTEAD THAT THAT MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT BE APPROPRIATE.
SOMETIMES A BIT LESS GLASS IS WHAT YOU'RE MORE LIKELY TO SEE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WELL, THE FRONT OF THIS HOUSE LOOKS LIKE A HO GOBBLE IN BECAUSE AS THEY WELL IT DOES.
I MEAN THE, THE WINDOWS ARE ALL IN THE WRONG PLACE AND, AND, AND THE DOORS DON'T MATCH.
AND, UH, IF THEY'RE GOING, AS IT WAS SAID, IF THEY'RE GONNA PUT MONEY INTO IT, WHY DON'T THEY FIX IT? OKAY.
WELL, AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO, YOU KNOW, DECIDE WHAT WOULD BE THE FIX THAT DOES THE MOST WE CAN.
WELL, THEY HAVE MONEY SPENDING TO HAVE TWO DOORS ON THE FRONT PORCH THAT DON'T MATCH.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE EVER GONNA, THAT'S NEVER GONNA FLY, I DON'T THINK.
WELL, SO YOU WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT IF THEY'RE KEEPING TWO DOORS, THAT THEY MAKE THE TWO DOORS MATCH? WELL, I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST THEY GO DOWN TO ONE DOOR AND IF THEY WANT A SECOND DOOR OUT OF THAT OFFICE, PUT IT TOWARD THE DRIVEWAY.
BUT IF THEY, IF THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY NEED TO DO, WE CANNOT MAKE THEM REMOVE, CHANGE THE FACT THAT THERE ARE TWO DOORS.
SO, BUT IT WOULD BE BETTER IF THEY BATCHED AT LEAST I WOULD SUGGEST THAT I, I THINK COMMISSIONER HARPER MADE THE BEST, UM, COMMENT AS FAR AS ANY OF THE FACADE CHANGES.
SHE'S NOT ASKING TO CHANGE ANY OF THE WINDOWS OR DOORS RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND WE CAN'T MAKE HER IT IF SHE CAN KEEP WHAT SHE'S GOT.
BUT I THINK IT, IT IS WORTHY OF CONS CONSIDERATION IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING THE CO THE COMPOSITION OF THE PORCH, UM, IF SHE'S GOING TO LEAVE THE EXISTING FENESTRATION.
UH, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT.
I I THINK IT'S AN, UM, A, A GOOD SUGGESTION TO HER THAT PERHAPS NOW IS THE TIME TO CHANGE THE FENESTRATION TO, TO MAKE IT ALL COME TOGETHER.
ANYTHING ELSE? PLEASE? ONE MORE THING.
PART OF THE CONCERN IS THAT, THAT THAT COLUMN IS REALLY KIND OF INTERRUPTS ONE OF THE DOORS.
SO THE COLUMN AND THE DOOR DON'T WORK TOGETHER.
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DOES KIND OF AFFECT THE WHOLE PORCH.DEFINITELY PLEASE FILL OUT YOUR COURTESY REVIEW FORMS THAT HELPS BOTH APPLICANT AND STAFF WHEN WE RELAY AND THEN NEXT MONTH WHEN WE REMIND YOU ALL WHAT YOU RECOMMENDED.
DO REMIND US WHAT WE SAID LES WEEK, OUR DIFFERENT PERSON NEXT MONTH.
I DON'T THINK, I THINK THAT THE COLUMN IN THE SITTER AND BY THE SECOND DOOR, NEITHER OF THOSE COLUMNS WORK.
YEAH, THE COLUMNS ARE A TYPICAL ARRANGEMENT ON A PORCH LIKE THIS, BUT THE DOORS ARE UNFORTUNATELY PLACED FOR WORKING WITH THOSE COLUMNS.
IS THAT ALL WE HAVE ON THIS ONE? ALL RIGHT THEN STAFF WILL BE RELAYING OUR INFORMATION AND I CAN MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 10, WHICH IS ANOTHER COURTESY REVIEW ON SOUTH CLIFF STREET.
RHONDA DUNN SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE ITEM IS COURTESY REVIEW ITEM 10, CASE NUMBER 26 DASH 2 3 9 8 4.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR NEEDED TO REUSE ON THIS ONE, SO I CAN'T SEE IF HE'S RECUSED BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE THEM, BUT I ASSUME HE'S NOT HEARING ME NOW BECAUSE HE'S LEFT THE ROOM AT HOME.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 2 0 2 SOUTH CLIFF STREET IN COUNCIL DISTRICT FOUR.
IT'S THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT CASE NUMBER COA DASH 26 DASH 3 57.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A HORIZONTAL CORNER SIDE AND REAR ADDITION TO THE EXISTING MAIN BUILDING STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
SINCE THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION IS REQUIRED, BUT THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A HORIZONTAL CORNER SIDE AND REAR ADDITION TO THE MAIN EXISTING BUILDING BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CORNER SIDE SECTION IS SET BACK A MINIMUM OF 50% FROM THE FRONT EXTERIOR WALL AND THAT THE FINAL REVISED DESIGNS AS WELL AS ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.
THE TASK FORCE, UH, RECOMMENDATION COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS ONLY NON-SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS, CONSIDER EITHER A TWO STORY REAR ONLY ADDITION OR SUBDIVIDE THE LOT AND BUILD A DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING ON THE CORNER SIDEWALK.
NOW, SINCE UM, THE APPLICANT PRESENTED HIS PRESENTATION OR HIS, UH, REQUEST BEFORE THE TASK FORCE, HE HAS MADE CHANGES AND HOWEVER, THEY WERE TURNED IN TOO LATE TO BE ON THIS AGENDA AS A CA BUT WHAT YOU SEE ON YOUR SCREEN, HE HAS RESORTED TO A TWO STORY REAR ADDITION.
YOU'RE SEEING IT FROM THE CORNER.
AND THEN THIS IS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE, I GUESS THE INTERIOR SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
AND AT THE BOTTOM, THIS IS THE FRONT AND THEN THIS IS THE BACK.
IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO REALLY MAKE THAT OUT.
AND SO I'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT IDENTIFIES THE ELEVATIONS.
IS THIS THE REVISED DESIGN? RIGHT.
SO WE CAN START HERE AT THE BOTTOM.
SO FROM THE FRONT YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE THE, UM, BASICALLY YOU CAN SEE THE CROSS GABLE OF THE TWO STORY REAR EDITION, BUT THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE FRONT.
SO THIS BOTTOM IMAGE, MAY I ASK WHY THE TASK FORCE THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS LESS INTRUSIVE THAN THE INITIAL PROPOSAL? I MEAN, THAT SOUNDS LIKE I'M BEING SNIDE, BUT I REALLY, I'M JUST I AM, BUT I'M, I'M REALLY JUST BEING, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S LESS INTRUSIVE THAN OKAY.
THE INITIAL PROPOSAL ACTUALLY HAD THE SIDE EDITION BEING ON PLANE WITH THE FRONT ELEVATION YEAH.
IS WHAT THE INITIAL PROPOSAL WAS.
AND SO BASICALLY THE TASK FORCE FELT AS IF THE, IT AT LEAST NEEDED TO BE SET BACK SO YOU COULD SEE THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE NATURAL PROGRESSION OF THE BUILDING.
SO THEY HAVEN'T REALLY, THEY HAVEN'T SEEN THIS TWO STORY REAR ADDITION.
BUT THEIR OTHER OPTION WAS IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SET IT BACK
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ON THAT CORNER SINCE THE CORNER IS A PRIMARY FACADE, IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA SET IT BACK SINCE THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO LOTS THERE THAT HAVE BEEN MERGED INTO ONE TO POSSIBLY SUBDIVIDE THOSE AGAIN AND PUT ONE HOUSE ON THE CORNER NEXT DOOR TO THE EXISTING HOUSE.SO THOSE WERE THEIR PROPOSALS.
IT'S JUST THAT ADDING A VERTICAL ADDITION IS ALWAYS A BIT MORE VISUALLY INTRUSIVE THAN A HORIZONTAL ONE USUALLY.
WHAT DOES EVERYBODY ELSE SAY? MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR AN ARCHITECT.
COMMISSIONER RENO IS RECKLESSLY WAITING TO SPEAK AND HE IS AN ARCHITECT.
WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION, MA'AM? MY, MY QUESTION IS, IS WHERE THE GABLE WITH THE WINDOWS AND IT COMES DOWN AND THAT OTHER THING STICKS UP, ISN'T IT JUST GONNA FILL UP WITH DEBRIS AT A PLACE FOR WATER TO SOAK THROUGH THE ROOF? GOOD QUESTION.
UM, SHORT ANSWER IS YES, THE UM, HOWEVER, THE WAY THAT THE ROOF PLAN IS DESIGNED, IF I'M READING IT CORRECTLY, UH, I BELIEVE IT WILL NEED A, A CRICKET WHERE THOSE TWO ARE, WHERE THOSE TWO GABLES ARE COMING DOWN INTO EACH OTHER ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE THE PLAN.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING? YEAH, I THINK SHE MEANS HERE.
THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER ISSUE, IT SHOWED UP IN THE THREE DIMENSIONAL DRAWING, BUT NOT ON THE ELEVATION, IS THAT THAT, UM, THE GABLE THAT'S PERPENDICULAR TO THE STREET NEEDS TO INTERSECT THE NEW CROSS GABLE.
RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST SHOWN AS IF IT STOPS WHERE IT SITS TODAY.
UH, AND IT NEEDS TO CONTINUE ALL THE WAY IN.
OTHERWISE THAT'S A, THAT'S A, UH, A BIG AREA FOR, FOR WATER INTRUSION AS WELL.
AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE INTENTION.
IT'S PROBABLY THE MODEL DIDN'T GET, UH, FULLY RENDERED.
UH, AND THEN, AND THEN, UH, THE ELEVATIONS DIDN'T EITHER.
UM, THERE'S ALSO GONNA BE AN ISSUE.
SO I DO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT IT WAS DESIGNED AS A SPLIT LEVEL TO HELP REDUCE THE HEIGHT IN THE BACK.
I THERE THAT ADDITION OF THREE AND A HALF, UH, EXTRA FEET IN THE HEIGHT REALLY HELPED REDUCE THE SCALE OF THE, OF THE BACK.
UM, THERE IS AN ISSUE THOUGH WITH EXIT WINDOWS FROM THOSE TWO BEDROOMS IS YOU NEED A CLEAR SASH DIMENSION OF 20 INCHES WIDE BY 24 INCHES TALL.
SO YOU ARE GONNA HAVE TO PUT A LARGER WINDOW.
THE OTHER THING IS, THE SILL OF THAT WINDOW NEEDS TO BE 44 INCHES, NO GREATER THAN 44 INCHES FROM THE FLOOR TO BE A A, AN EXIT, YOUR SECOND EXIT.
UM, SO THAT THOSE PROPORTIONS, I MEAN THOSE CAN BE EASILY ADJUSTED TO GET THE, IT, IT'LL PROBABLY BE EASIER WITH A SINGLE WINDOW INSTEAD OF A DOUBLE.
UM, BUT I THINK YOU CAN GET THERE WITH THAT, WITH THAT PROPORTION WITH THE COMMENTS.
UM, A COUPLE THINGS THAT JUST POP UP ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION.
WE'VE GOT THE, THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THE TWO WINDOWS THAT ARE BY THEMSELVES AND THEY JUST, UM, THEY'RE, THEY EITHER WANNA BE CLOSE TOGETHER AND BE A GANG OR THEY BE, THEY WANNA BE FURTHER APART.
THAT JUST SEEMS TO BE THEY'RE CROWDING EACH OTHER.
UM, YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT THAT DORMER THAT'S ON THE NORTH ELEVATION THAT'S BEING OFF TO THE SIDE.
HAVE YOU GUYS SPOKEN ABOUT THAT YET? I DON'T THINK SO.
WELL THAT SEEMS TO HAVE GOTTEN MAYBE, UH, DURING THE CAD DRAWING, UH, NOT SHIFTED OVER.
UM, THE, UM, IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE A WATER TABLE OR A BAND OF SOME SORT COMING OFF OF THE PORCH THAT GOES STRAIGHT ACROSS.
'CAUSE BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THAT, LOOKING AT THE SOUTH ELEVATION, THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, IT JUST SEEMS TO BE A LARGE BLANK MASS THE WAY, UH, THE GRADE SLOPES DOWN AND IT ALMOST IS BEGGING FOR SOME SORT OF, UH, BANDING DETAIL THAT GOES ACROSS.
IS THERE SOMETHING ON THERE THAT I'M MISSING? JEFF, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, UH, ELEVATION FREE NAMED SOUTH? YEAH.
YEAH, SO THOSE FOUR WINDOWS ARE ACTUALLY IN THE WRONG LOCATION.
THEY NEED TO BE THREE AND A HALF FEET LOWER.
BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S THE CHANGE IN ELEVATION OF THE
ONE THING, UM, UH, HANG ON GENTLEMEN.
I JUST READ, I FORGOT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR SPEAKER, SHANNON KEY IS SHE'S REALLY ABLE TO JOIN OUR CONVERSATION OR SHE'S SHOWING ON HERE, BUT NOT HER.
I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING IF, IF SHE'S UM, BEEN ABLE TO ENGAGE IN THIS CONVERSATION OR NOT.
IT'S KIND OF WENT BACK AND FORTH.
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SO YOU GET WHAT WE'RE WE'RE SAYING AND, AND SOME OF IT IS WE ARE SEEING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE NEW DRAWINGS ON A REALLY SMALL SCREEN.WE HAVE 'EM TOO, BUT, SO CONTINUE YOUR DISCUSSION TO ARCHITECTS
UM, I HAD A QUESTION FOR DR. DUNN.
I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER, 'CAUSE I KNOW WE'VE LOOKED AT SO MANY ELEVATIONS, SO MANY HOMES IN, IN 10TH STREET.
UM, BUT I COULDN'T RECALL WHETHER A WATER TABLE WAS NORMAL FOR THOSE BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS SO MUCH ELEVATION IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MM-HMM
THAT THE WAY THAT THE PIERS WERE DONE ARE, ARE PRETTY, UH, UNIQUE FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, BUT I, IN SOME INSTANCES THEY WERE LEFT OPEN AND OTHERS THE SIDING CAME ALL THE WAY DOWN.
I DON'T RECALL WHAT WAS MOST PREVALENT, IF IT MAKES SENSE TO ADD THAT WATER TABLE OR NOT.
WELL, FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, WE WERE RECOMMENDING IF THEY BROUGHT THE, UH, SIDING DOWN AT LEAST LIKE SIX INCHES ABOVE GRADE, THEN IN THAT CASE THEY DO NEED A WATER TABLE.
BUT SOME HAD BEEN CHOOSING TO EXPOSE THE AREA, YOU KNOW, LIKE PEER AND BEAM CONCRETE POSTING BEAM.
SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE ON THE DEVELOPER PER SE.
'CAUSE THE ONLY, I GUESS IT BECOMES AN ISSUE WHEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE STARTING OFF AT THE FRONT ELEVATION AND THEN YOU'RE DROPPING THREE AND A HALF FEET.
LIKE HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU WANNA TAKE A CONSISTENT WATER TABLE ALL THE WAY AROUND? RIGHT.
OR DO YOU FIND A DIFFERENT WAY TO, WITH THOSE WINDOWS COMING DOWN THAT MIGHT JUST YEAH.
MAKE THAT IS THAT KIND OF, UM, VISUAL NOT BE IMPACTED.
SO WE'LL JUST SEE WHEN THAT COMES BACK AROUND.
WHAT ABOUT THE DORMERS? UM, SEEM TO BE DIFFERENT SIZES.
THE UH, THE, I'M SORRY, THE DOOR, THE GABLE WINDOWS UP, UH, UP HIGH, THEY, UH, THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AND, UH, THE, IS THAT ON THE, UM, NEW EDITION OR THE EXISTING, I'M JUST SEEING WHAT'S IN OUR PACKET.
IS THAT ELEVATION FOUR MORE? YEAH, FOUR.
I WAS WONDERING WITH YOU, JEFF, IS IF THOSE ARE ALL THEY OUGHT TO BE CENTERED IN THAT RIGHT.
SHOULD BE CENTERED AND PLUS YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT DIFFERENT SIZES FROM THE ONE THAT'S ON THE LEFT AND THE ONE THAT'S ON THE RIGHT.
THE ISSUE WITH THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE LEFT, IT NEEDS TO BE AN EXIT FOR A PERSON, UM, TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, IN CASE OF A FIRE MM-HMM
NOW IT DOESN'T, LIKE I WAS MENTIONING EARLIER, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A PAIR.
IT COULD BE A SINGLE, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT, YOU NEED TO DROP THE SILL HEIGHT SO THAT IT'S ONLY 44 MAX OF 44 FROM THE FLOOR.
IT MIGHT SEEM TO BE BETTER IF IT WOULD BE A SINGLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
AND THEN IF IT'S A SINGLE, THEN UTILIZE THAT SAME DIMENSION FOR THE OTHER GABLE.
UM, AND THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THAT, THAT PAIR, THAT TWO GANG WINDOWS CROWDING THAT ROOF THAT'S COMING DOWN.
SO YOU MIGHT LOOK AT DOING THAT AS A SINGLE AND THEN UTILIZING THAT FOR WHERE IT HAPPENS AGAIN ON THE OTHER INSTANCES.
ANYBODY ELSE? I HAVE A QUEST CONCERN.
MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE, UM, THE SMALL KIND OF PROJECTION ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
IF YOU'RE FACING IT, IT, I LOOK AT IT SORT OF LIKE THE SWISS AVENUE HOUSE WHERE THEY WANTED TO ENCLOSE THE PORCH AND THEN BUILD THE ADDITION ONTO THAT PORCH.
I, I THINK THAT THAT PROJECTION SHOULD STAND ALONE.
THAT THEY, THE, THE MASS OF THE STRUCTURE SHOULD BE BEHIND THE MAIN HOUSE AND LET THAT PROJECTION KIND OF BE A TRANSITION AND ALSO KIND OF DE-EMPHASIZING THE ADDITION ITSELF.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THEY COULD KEEP THE ADDITION BEHIND THE HOUSE PROPER AND LEAVE THAT SMALL ADDITION OR THE OTHER PROJECTION ALONE AND MAYBE PUT WINDOWS ON THREE SIDES OF IT.
IT COULD BE KINDA LIKE A BAY WINDOW ADDITION TO THE HOUSE.
THAT'S WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY.
SO I, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP THE WHOLE THING BY EMPHASIZE THE ADDITION.
RIGHT NOW I THINK THE ADDITION IS KIND OF GOBBLING UP THAT, THAT REAR THAT PROJECTION AND IT'S PRETTY MASSIVE.
I HAVE ANOTHER ISSUE THAT I DIDN'T GET TO THAT I FORGOTTEN ABOUT.
IS THAT ALL BEING, IS THAT ALL NEW BRICK OR IS THAT EXISTING OR WHAT'S THE IT'S THE, I'M LOOKING AT THE FRONT AND IT, THERE WAS A ISOMETRIC, UH, MODEL.
SO THAT'S ALL THAT BRICK RIGHT THERE.
IS THAT EXISTING OR IS THAT THIS IS NEW.
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YES.THE BRICK PORCH COLUMN BOTTOMS AND THE BRICK SKIRTING.
IS THAT NEW? YES, THAT WOULD BE, UM, WELL, IT'D BE REPAIRED, SO IT WILL BE, SOME OF THE BRICKS WOULD BE NEW, SOME OF THEM EXISTING, BUT, SO THAT WHOLE DESIGN IS, IS IT EXISTING? YEAH.
IN OTHER WORDS, YEAH, THIS IS EXISTING, IT'S NEW BRICK AS A SKIRT, BUT IT'S, UM, SOME OF IT IS EXISTING.
WE'RE JUST REPAIRING THE ORIGINAL AND THEN ADDING THE NEW ADDITION TO THE REAR.
BECAUSE THAT COLUMNS ARE COLUMN STANDS.
THAT STANDS OUT IMMENSELY TO ME.
NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT BEING A PERIOD AND NOT BEING, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC, UH, OR PROPER.
WELL THE PORCH VISUAL IMPACT BOTTOMS A BRICK.
WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS, AND THIS IS A SEPARATE REQUEST, I GUESS SHE WOULD, THEY WANT TO REPLACE THE SKIRTING WITH BRICK.
SO THAT BRICK SKIRTING IS NOT THERE NOW.
SO THE BRICK SKIRTING IS NOT THERE NOW, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO IT'S UM, JUST THE, THE COLUMN, THE BRICK COLUMN.
UM, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY MAKE THE SKIRT SIDING IF THAT'S THE PREFERENCE.
I WOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT IN, UH, IN FILLING THAT SKIRT WITH THE BRICK THAT JUST STANDS OUT.
UM, AND WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE.
UM, NOT ONLY THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WE HAVE THAT WOOD SIDING COMING DOWN LOWER PAST THE TOP OF THE PORCH, UH, BUT STILL A LITTLE STRIP OF BRICK SKIRTING OVER THERE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, AND THEN YOU GOT THE PORCH AND YOU KNOW, AND YOU HAVE MORE OF IT THERE.
IT'S, IT JUST DOESN'T READ WELL.
UH, AND I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF USING THE BRICK SKIRTING, UH, AND LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THERE.
IN THE PICTURE WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, IF THE, THE WINDOWS ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE WINDOWS IN THE DIAGRAMS, IN WHAT WAY ARE THEY DIFFERENT? WELL, THESE ARE ALL EVEN IN AND TOGETHER.
THE ONES IN THE DIAGRAM ARE NOT.
OKAY, SO YOU'RE ASKING WHICH ONE IS YEP.
WELL, THEY LOOK BETTER IN THE RENDERING.
SO, UM, THEY LOOK BETTER IN THIS PICTURE WITH THE GUY ON THE FRONT PORCH.
THE RENDERING MS. KEY ARE, IS IT YOUR INTENTION THAT THE WINDOWS WILL ALL PRETTY MUCH LINE UP WITH THEIR TOPS AND BOTTOMS LINING UP? YES.
THAT'S THE IN, YES, THAT'S THE INTENTION.
SO SOME OF YOUR DRAWINGS DON'T REFLECT THAT THE DRAWINGS NOT YES.
THREE DIMENSIONAL LIKE THIS? YES, WE'RE GONNA, UM, UPDATE THE DRAWINGS SO THAT IT COULD BE, UM, ALIGNED.
WE WERE DEFINITELY TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE COULD GET EVERYTHING IN.
SO YOU WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE THE RENDERING? YES.
I GUESS THAT'S ALL WE HAVE ON THAT ONE.
SO THE THIRD COLUMN IN TOWARD THE CENTER OF THE FRONT ELEVATION IN THE PHOTOGRAPH OF EXISTING, UM, BUT THE TOP PORTION OF THAT COLUMN IS MISSING.
UM, I DON'T, WOULD YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW IF THAT WAS ACTUALLY THERE ORIGINALLY? IF IT'S JUST BEEN REMOVED AND THAT'S MIGHT, WHAT MIGHT BE CAUSING THE, THE SHIFT IN THE STRUCTURE THERE IS CAUSING SOME OF THE DAMAGE.
AND WE PLAN TO, UM, REPAIR THAT.
SO IT IS THE INTENTION TO REPLACE IT? YES.
ALRIGHT, WELL IF THAT'S ALL, BUT THANK YOU MA'AM FOR BRINGING THIS TO US AND, UM, STAFF WILL HELP YOU CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION BEFORE YOU'RE READY TO BRING IT BACK FOR YOUR ACTUAL CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
YES, TAYLOR MEANS ON BEHALF OF STAFF READING AND COURTESY REVIEW.
ITEM NUMBER 1126 DASH 2,400 A ONE 15 NORTH MONTCLAIR AVENUE WIN NECCA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL DISTRICT NUMBER ONE CASE NUMBER CO A 26 0 0 0 3 4 9.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RENOVATE EXISTING PORCH COLUMNS.
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UM, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, SINCE THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW ONLY, NO ACTION IS REQUIRED, BUT THAT THE REQUEST TO RENOVATE THE FOUR EXISTING PORCH COLUMNS BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ASSOCIATED ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE BE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR STAFF AND LANDMARK COMMISSION.REVIEW THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS.
IT'S ONLY TASK FORCE RECOMMENDED LOOKING FOR GHOSTING GATHER HINTS ON WHAT THE COLUMNS ONCE WERE AND THAT SHOULD THE APPLICANT PROCEED WITH RENDER NUMBER ONE, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO HAVE TWO BRICK PEDESTALS CLOSE TOGETHER.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S WITH US.
OKAY, OUR, AND THERE YOU ARE ON, ON CAMERA.
SO WE CAN SEE YOU AS REQUIRED.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROPOSED PROJECT? YEAH, UM, SO WE, MY WIFE AND I JUST BOUGHT THIS HOME LESS THAN A MONTH AGO.
SO, UH, A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE.
BUT, UH, YOU MADE A NOTE, UH, PREVIOUSLY THAT, UM, I SHOULD GO DO A LITTLE DIGGING, A LITTLE GHOSTING.
UM, IN THE TASK MEETING WE HAD ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO, DID THAT AND THINK THAT, UM, MADE A COUPLE OF REALLY INTERESTING DISCOVERIES, UH, SINCE THAT MEETING.
SO LET ME JUST TALK TO THIS SLIDE REAL QUICK.
OBVIOUSLY THESE ARE THE EXISTING POSTS THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT ORIGINAL AND THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT STYLES.
AND CHAIR, COULD YOU ASK HIM TO TURN HIS RADIO OR HIS, HIS STUFF OFF? BECAUSE THERE'S A BAD ECHO FOR US.
WE ARE NOT HEARING ANY ECHO HERE, ACTUALLY.
YEAH, I HEAR IT TOO, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY RADIO OR ANYTHING ON.
UH, I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT, BUT YEAH.
UM, SO HERE'S THE EXISTING COLUMNS.
UH, I I, SINCE
IF, IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, I HAVEN'T UPLOADED YOUR POWERPOINT.
THIS IS THE DOCKET THAT THE COMMISSIONERS ARE SEEING.
SO THEY HAVE ALL THE PICTURES THAT YOU SENT ME,
I, THIS IS ONE OF THE DISCOVERIES THAT I, THAT I MADE OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS.
IF YOU GO UP THE STREET TO FOUR 10 NORTH MONTCLAIR, UM, THE PICTURES ON YOUR LEFT HAND SIDE ARE AN EXISTING HOME THAT LOOKS JUST CLEARLY A, A SISTER HOME, MAYBE A, MAYBE EVEN A BROTHER AND SISTER HOME, UH, TO THE ONE THAT I BOUGHT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, YOU'VE GOT THE PATIO THAT'S OPEN AIR, YOU'VE GOT, UM, A FRONT DOOR THAT HAS KIND OF A, THE DETAIL ABOVE THE FRONT DOOR MATCHES MINE.
UM, THE TWO WINDOWS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FRONT DOOR ARE ARCHES, AND AGAIN, THEY MATCH MINE.
SO I, I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD INDICATION, I THINK, OF WHAT THE HOME LOOKED LIKE.
ALSO, THE HOME WAS, UH, IN THE BACKYARD WAS A JUNGLE.
I HAD IT ALL CLEANED UP AND I FOUND ACTUALLY FOUR CONCRETE PEDESTALS THAT I THINK WERE PROBABLY ORIGINAL.
THOSE CONCRETE PEDESTALS, I MATCH THE TWO PEDESTALS THAT ARE DIFFICULT TO SEE.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE RIGHT HAND SIDE PICTURES OF MY HOUSE, YOU COULD SEE THE PLANTERS ON TOP OF A PEDESTAL.
THERE'S A FOUR INCH CONCRETE CAP THERE, THERE, THERE ARE, I'M SORRY.
THERE'S FIVE OF THOSE IN MY BACKYARD.
AND I, THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE THE SAME DIMENSION.
THEY'RE 30 INCHES BY 30 INCHES BY FOUR INCHES THICK.
UM, SO OVERALL, WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE TO DO IS RECREATE FIVE COLUMNS, UH, VERY SIMILAR TO THE HOME AT FOUR 10 NORTH MONTCLAIR.
I MEASURED THESE, UM, THE PROPORTION IS APPROXIMATELY 60% BRICK, 40%.
UM, I THINK ON THE NEXT SLIDE, TAYLOR, I I THINK IT WAS TAYLOR'S NOT THE NEXT SLIDE, BUT THE ONE AFTER, I HAVE MORE DETAILS ON THE
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YES, THE OPTION COLUMN, OPTION NUMBER ONE.I, I THINK I, I BELIEVE THIS IS THE CLOSEST, UM, TO WHAT THE ORIGINAL WAS WHEN I COMPARE IT TO
SO I'LL, I'LL PAUSE RIGHT HERE AND, AND JUST LOOK FOR YOUR INPUT.
AND OF COURSE THE, THIS IS YOUR AI RENDERING ON THE, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
IT'S NOT PERFECT PROPORTION, BUT, BUT IT'S CLOSE.
WE HAD A LONG CONVERSATION AND SHE, I TRIED TO BE NICE.
FORTUNATELY, YOU CAN'T HURT AI'S FEELINGS IF YOU TELL IT.
AI IS ALWAYS VERY NICE TO ME, BUT YOU WANNA KEEP COMING BACK.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY THOUGHTS ON STYLE OF COLUMNS THAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE? I'M GLAD YOU, I'M GLAD THEY FOUND THAT ALMOST TWIN HOUSE BECAUSE THIS HOUSE IS UNIQUE WITH THOSE LITTLE LUNETTE ABOVE IT, BUT I GUESS THEY'RE ORIGINAL 'CAUSE IT'S ON THE OTHER ONE.
I, I BELIEVE MY FRONT DOOR IS ORIGINAL, HONESTLY.
AND IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS, I THINK MY NEXT SLIDES HAVE THAT, BUT, BUT I DO BELIEVE THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST APPROPRIATE.
WELL, WITH THESE COLUMNS, A LOT OF IT'S ABOUT PROPORTION OF, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST THE GENERAL SHAPE AND THE BRICK TO THE WOOD PARTS.
THE BASE OF THE P SO MR. COLLINS? YEAH, YEAH.
I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COLUMN JUST FOR A BRIEF.
AND THEN THE WINDOW, THE COLUMN THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING SEEMS TO BE PRETTY TALL WITH THE BRICK.
UM, THAT WOULD SEEM TO BE OUT OF CHARACTER, UH, CHARACTER, NOT UNLESS, UM, THERE IS A SISTER HOUSE TO THIS.
IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? YEAH, YEAH.
AND THE SISTER HOUSE IS IN INTACT, IS INTACT THAT WE OR KNOW OF THAT IN THIS IT'S OKAY.
DID THEY, WHAT WAS THE COLUMNS LIKE? IS WHICH ONE IS IT HERE, IS IT ONE OF, IT'S ON, IT'S, IT'S THE TWO PHOTOS ON THE LEFT-HAND.
THE TWO ON THE LEFT? YEAH, FOUR 10 NORTHLINE THERE.
I'M, I'M THE ONE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
AND THAT IS IN YOUR DOCKET, LIKE THE LAST PAGE.
MY, I WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT IT, MY COMPUTER JUST TELL ME.
IT WAS JUST HE LIKED TO SEARCH AND HE'S SEARCHING AND SEARCHING SO IT'S NOT RINGING UP MY SCREEN.
UM, WELL THOSE COLUMNS WOULD CERTAINLY BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS PROPOSED.
THOSE, THOSE SEEMS TO BE THE BASE BEING A LITTLE THICKER.
AND THEN IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A DOUBLE COLUMN.
IS THAT RIGHT? ACTUALLY DOUBLE WOODEN.
I MEASURED, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
YOU MEASURED IN THE, AND YOU'VE GOT IT RIGHT ON THE PROPOSED, I, I DID THESE COLUMNS.
I WOUND UP MEETING THE OWNER AND TOOK MEASUREMENTS OF THEIR COLUMNS.
THEY, THEY MATCH MY, THE EXISTING SHORT PEDESTALS ARE, THE BRICK PART IS 30 INCHES, I'M SORRY, 29 INCHES BY 29 MM-HMM
AND THEN THE CONCRETE CAP IS 30 BY 30 AND, AND THEY ALL MATCH.
THAT THAT'S, I MEAN, IF THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AND YOU'VE GOT DOCUMENTATION ON TO SHOW THAT, THEN WE'LL JUST, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT.
I, I FIRST LOOKED AT THE AI, WHICH LOOKS SKINNY, RIGHT? BUT HE HAS THE DRAWING NEXT, NEXT, RIGHT NEXT TO IT THAT SAYS 30 INCHES.
WHAT'S THERE? AND I KNOW SOMETIMES, UH, WHAT WE SEE ON SCREEN AND WHAT WE SEE ON, UP ON THE BIG SCREEN, KIND OF THE ONE, THE OTHER'S NOT SIMILAR.
UM, SO WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE CLOSER AT THAT TIME.
NOW, TELL, TALK TO ME ABOUT THESE WINDOWS.
THERE, THERE ARE EXISTING ARCHED WINDOWS ON A CRAFTSMAN HUNT.
AND THAT'S THE WAY THEY ARE ON THE SISTER HOUSE.
WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS HOUSE, I THOUGHT FOR SURE THAT WASN'T THE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION UNTIL NOW, UNTIL WE NOW KNOW ABOUT THE SISTER HOUSE.
AND I'M LIKE, OH, THEY'VE GOT IT TOO.
AND THAT SAME SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE ALMOST UP TO THE OVERHANG AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN MODIFIED.
THE, UH, THE ARCH WINDOW SALESMAN DIDN'T COME IN AND SELL BOTH OF THESE HOUSES THE SAME THING IN 1938.
WELL, THEY'RE ALSO THE SAME SHAPE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU COULD'VE GOT THAT TO THEM.
YOU KNOW, OVERALL
UH, IF THIS IS THE CASE, AND IT SEEMS TO BE THE CASE, UH, OF HAVING AN ARCHED WINDOW, CRAFTSMAN WINDOW, THAT'S EXTREMELY HIGHLY UNUSUAL.
UM, I, UH, APPLAUD YOU FOR YOUR FIELD WORK AND YOUR, UM, BEING, UH, THOROUGH AND GETTING THROUGH THIS.
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THEN SOMETIMES, UH, STEP BACK AND LOOK AT IT AND THEN DIVE INTO IT AGAIN TO SEE WHERE THINGS MAY HAVE BEEN IN ERRONEOUSLY THE FIRST TIME AROUND.SO, UH, I APPLAUD YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS AND, AND KEEP MOVING FORWARD WITH, UH, THIS APPROACH.
COMMISSIONER HEL, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
I WAS TRYING TO DETERMINE, IT LOOKS AS IF IN THE SISTER HOUSE THAT THE, THE TWO LOWER, UM, UH, PEDESTALS ARE NOT IN THE SAME PLANE, UM, AS THE TWO THAT ARE SUPPORTING THE PORCH.
AND I WAS, I I THINK THERE'S ONE DEFINITIVE PHOTOGRAPH THAT SHOWS ON YOUR EXISTING HOME THAT IF YOU WERE TO ADD THOSE TWO NEW, UM, YOU KNOW, TALLER BRICK COLUMN BASES, THAT THEY WOULD IN FACT BE IN THE SAME PLANE.
IS, IS THAT, AM I MISTAKEN, OR WHEN YOU SAY PLANE, DO YOU MEAN HEIGHT FROM NO FORWARDS IN PLAN? WOULD THEY BE SITTING IN PLAN IN THE SAME, THEY WOULD BE IN THE SAME PLANE.
AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE REAL CHALLENGES FOR ME, RIGHT? LIKE MY, MY CARPORT IS VERY NARROW, RIGHT? SO IF I PUT THESE COLUMNS WHERE THEY SHOULD BE, IF I'M MARRYING THIS HOME, I, I'M GOING FROM ALREADY A VERY NARROW NINE FOOT DRIVEWAY TO PROBABLY, I, I THINK IT'S LIKE EIGHT FEET, BUT I STILL THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
I I I HAD THE SAME SUSPICION THERE TOO, ON THAT WIDTH.
NO, BUT THE FACT THAT THAT HOME EXISTS ON MONTCLAIR AS, AS A VERY, UH, IT WOULD BE HARD TO DENY THAT THEY ARE NOT, THAT THEY WEREN'T THE SAME DESIGNER, THE SAME BUILDER.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE IN COMMON WITH EACH OTHER THAT, UH, I, I, I THINK THAT GIVES US ENOUGH EVIDENCE THAT, THAT THEY WERE, IF NOT IDENTICAL, ALMOST THAT WAY.
COMMERS, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES, MA'AM.
OH, IS THERE? SOMEONE ELSE HAS THE HANDOUT.
WELL, THEY NEED TO SPEAK UP THEN.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT ON THE, UH, HOUSE THAT THAT'S STILL INTACT, THAT THE COLUMNS ARE ALMOST, THE, THE PORCH COLUMNS ARE ALMOST TWICE AS HIGH AS THE DECORATIVE COLUMNS.
AND, AND ON THE RENDERING ONE, IT DOESN'T LOOK AS IF THEY'RE THAT HIGH AND MY MISTAKE MISTAKEN.
UH, AND HIS, HIS RENDERING IS LESS THAN EXACT, I THINK BECAUSE AI WOULD LISTEN.
MY DRAWING IS QUITE ACCURATE, AND THE PROPORTION IS APPROXIMATELY 60, 60% BRICK, 40% WOOD.
UM, SO IF YOU LOOK AT MY HAND SKETCH ON THE LEFT THERE, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
BUT, UM, IS, IS THAT IN MY PACKET, OR DID, IS THAT JUST ON THE SCREEN? IT'S IN YOUR PACKET.
IS IT? ARE YOU SURE IT IT IS IN HER PACKET? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE DRAWINGS ARE, NO, YEAH, I, I DON'T THINK I'VE SEEN THIS PICTURE.
I THINK, UM, YOU DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO PUT MY LATEST DECK IN INTO THE PACKET.
I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE OF THE PROCESS, BUT MA'AM, I, WELL, I, I LIKE THIS PICTURE.
IT'S, SO WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN IS WHAT YOU INTEND, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
AND SPECIFICALLY THE, THE SKETCH, THE, THE RENDERING IS CLOSE, BUT THE SKETCH I THINK IS PRETTY DARN ACCURATE.
COMMISSIONER RENO, WERE YOU INTENDING FOR THE UPPER WOODEN PORTION OF THE COLUMN TO BE PARALLEL OR TAPERED LIKE MONTCLAIR? I, I, I DREW IT PARALLEL STRAIGHT.
I, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME DETAILS OF THE OTHER HOME WITH THE GABLE ROOM WHERE THE, THE SOFFIT KIND OF CAME IN.
I'M INDIFFERENT, BUT, BUT I DREW IT STRAIGHT.
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OKAY.YEAH, I GUESS GUESS IT, IT REALLY DEPENDS THEN ON THE 'CAUSE THAT TAPER, UM, ACTUALLY PUSHED THE, THE BRICK COLUMN BASE FURTHER AWAY FROM BEING IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE, WITH THE CORNICE, WITH THE FREEZE.
UM, THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HELP IN ITS ADJACENCY TO THE, TO THE LITTLE PEDESTAL NEXT TO IT IN THE CENTER OF THE HAT.
YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HELP.
I THINK IT'S JUST WHAT YOU RECOMMEND.
YOU'LL HAVE TO PLAY WITH THAT DIMENSION TO SEE WHAT ACTUALLY FITS MM-HMM
'CAUSE I THINK EITHER STRAIGHT OR OR TAPERED WOULD, UH, UH, WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
I THINK I WOULD KEEP IT STRAIGHT, BUT, ALL RIGHT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT AND TIME.
AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO YOU COMING BACK FOR YOUR CA OKAY.
NOW WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 13, WHICH IS THAT THE ONE ON GASTON? YES.
CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 13 47 0 4 GASTON AVENUE, PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION, HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL DISTRICT TWO CO A 2 6 0 0 0 3 5 8.
REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN STRUCTURE ON A VACANT LOT STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN STRUCTURE ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 8 3 20 26.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA 4.2 AND 4.3 CITY CODE SECTION 4.501 G SIX C ROMANT TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES, AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTINGS.
TASK FORCE, THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN STRUCTURE ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS.
RECOMMENDATIONS NUMBER ONE COLUMN BASES SHOULD BE BRICK IF GOING TO THE GROUND.
NUMBER TWO, THE PLAN WITH THE FULL LENGTH PORCH GABLE IS PREFERRED AS THIS ALLOWS FOR THE COLUMNS TO LAY OUT BETTER AGAINST THE FENESTRATIONS OF THE DOOR AND WINDOWS.
NUMBER THREE, THE SIDEWALK SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE FRONT, WHICH IS FIVE FEET WIDE, BEVEL LANE AT 45 DEGREES AS IT APPROACHES THE STEPS.
AND THEN AS WIDE AS THE STEPS AS IT ADVANCES TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, NUMBER FOUR STEPS SHOULD BE SQUARED, NOT ROUNDED.
NUMBER FIVE MATERIALS LIST NEEDS TO, TO INCLUDE BEVELED LAP SIDING WITH A SIX INCH REVEAL JEL WIND WINDOWS WITH WINDOW SURVEY AND LABELED ON PLANS.
NUMBER SIX, GARAGE DOOR SHOULD NOT HAVE RAISED PANELS.
NUMBER SEVEN, FUTURE APPLICATION SHOULD BE SUBMITTED FOR PAINT COLORS AND ROOF SHINGLE COLORS.
UM, FRED ALSO SENT ME REVISIONS TO ADDRESS THE SIDEWALK QUESTION AS WELL AS THE PEAK.
AND THAT'S FRED PENA WHO HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
NOW ON THE, I WILL ASK FRED, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO SHARE MY SCREEN WITH WHAT YOU SENT ME, OR DO YOU WANNA SHARE YOUR SCREEN? ARE YOU ABLE TO, UH, I, I DUNNO HOW, UH, GOOD MY CONNECTION IS.
I CAN, SO IF YOU CAN SHARE IT, THAT'S PROBABLY BEST.
BUT LEMME GO AHEAD AND JUST START OFF, YOU KNOW, MR. PENA, WE NEED YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOUR, UM, YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
UM, MY BUSINESS ADDRESS IS, UH, 1218 WEST DAVIS IN DALLAS, TEXAS, 7 5 2 0 8.
AND I PROMISE THIS, I'LL BE TRUTHFUL.
SO I'LL JUST SCROLL WHEN YOU TELL ME TO DO IT.
SO, SO, UM, THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS, UH, FROM THE COURTESY REVIEW WERE TO, UM, ESTABLISH A FORMAL, UM, APPROACH FROM THE SIDEWALK TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, NOT JUST THE SIDE ENTRANCES THAT I HAD SHOWN PREVIOUSLY.
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UH, IT WAS MAINLY TASK FORCE THAT HAD COMMENTS ABOUT THE WIDTH OF THE PORCH.UM, I THINK ON, ON, ON THE COMMISSION SIDE, UM, WE COULD HAVE MADE THE OTHER, UH, KIND OF TWO THIRDS PORCH WORK.
UH, BUT, UH, THE OWNER REALLY LIKED THE WAY IT LOOKS WITH A FULL WIDTH PORCH.
AND, UH, THAT ALLOWED US, UH, UH, SOME NICE SYMMETRY TO CENTER HER, UH, THE, THE STAIRS LEADING UP TO IT.
AND, AND, UH, UM, THE COMMENTS, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER COMMENTS WERE GRAPHICALLY, UH, PAIRED WINDOWS SHOWED A LINE BETWEEN THEM.
UM, THE BASE OF THE COLUMNS ARE NOW CALLED OUT AS BRICK.
I HAVE NOT SELECTED THE FINAL COLOR OF THE BRICK.
UH, BUT I WANTED TO, UH, SELECT ALL THE COLORS TOGETHER WITH THE OWNERS.
SO, SO I WAS PLANNING ON SUBMITTING THAT IN A FUTURE APPLICATION.
THE, UH, SIDEWALK FROM THE, UH, STREET TO THE ENTRANCE.
UM, I MADE THAT FOUR FEET WIDE.
I ADDED A, A DIMENSION ON THE, UM, DRAWINGS THAT I SENT, UH, CHRISTINA EARLIER, UH, TODAY, UM, IT'S NOT FIVE FEET, BUT I THINK FOUR FEET IS APPROPRIATE.
UM, THAT I, I MEAN, IT, IT'S, IT WOULD JUST BE EXTRA CONCRETE THAT THE OWNER HAS TO PAY FOR.
UH, SO IT WOULD BE LEADING UP TO THE LEFT ON THAT DRAWING, WHICH, WHICH IS, UH, PROPPED OUT.
SO IT WOULD BE ON THE SITE PLAN WHERE YOU CAN SEE THAT DIMENSION THERE.
IT'S, UM, LET'S SEE IT, UM, YEAH, RIGHT THERE, IF YOU, IF YOU ARE ABLE TO ZOOM IN, UM, THERE IS, UH, UM, FOUR FEET FOR THE WIDTH OF THAT SIDEWALK, AND THEN THE, THE CURB STEPS.
UM, I KNOW, UH, A TASK FORCE COMMENTED TO MAKE THEM STRAIGHT.
I REALLY DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOTICEABLE SEEING THEM FROM THE FRONT.
YOU'RE JUST GONNA SEE THE, THE TWO RISERS, UH, FROM THE SIDEWALK FROM THE STREET.
AND SO IT'S JUST KIND OF TO SOFTEN THE ENTRANCE A LITTLE BIT.
NOT, THEY'RE NOT A FULL HALF CIRCLE.
THEY'RE JUST KIND OF A, A SHALLOW SEGMENTED ARCH IN PLAN.
IS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE SEEN ANY EXAMPLES OF IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? UM, I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH, UH, THI THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
I DID DRIVE AROUND SOME, I HAVE SEEN THEM IN OTHER, UM, NEIGHBORHOODS OF, OF THE SAME ERA.
WELL, I CAN TELL YOU, YOU HAVE TO, THE VAST MAJORITY ARE STREET LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WE, WE THOUGHT IT'S GENERALLY STRAIGHT, AND I'VE NEVER THOUGHT OF THEM AS NEEDING TO BE SOFTER.
I THOUGHT OURS WERE PERFECTLY FRIENDLY, STRAIGHT
I, I THINK THAT'S NOT A, A DEAL BREAKER IF WE HAVE TO MAKE THEM JUST STRAIGHT.
UM, WAS THAT YOU COMMISSIONER REEVES? I HEARD, YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
I, I, UH, THIS SUMMER, HAVING LEARNED TO DEAL WITH A WHEELCHAIR AND A WALKER, I THINK YOU WOULD BE MUCH SAFER IF IT'S A DOCTOR'S OFFICE WITH STRAIGHT STAIRS AND NOT CURB.
UM, THE ONE ON THE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE AND ON THE REAR IS JUST THE SINGLE, UM, RISER AND, AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY JUST ROUNDED CORNERS, UM, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S KIND OF OUT THERE BY ITSELF.
AND, AND THAT'S WHERE, UH, THE MAJORITY OF PATIENTS I THINK WOULD BE COMING FROM AND, UH, BY DOCTOR'S OFFICE IS, IT'S A PSYCHIATRY OFFICE.
UM, SO, UM, AND I'M NOT, UM, ARGUING YOUR POINT.
I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S TRUE AND VALID, UH, BUT I THINK THAT THE MORE ACCESSIBLE ENTRANCE WOULD BE ON THE REAR.
OR DO YOU HAVE A HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE ENTRANCE? UM, I DON'T HAVE A RAMP.
UM, THERE, THERE IS, UH, ON THE REAR, UH, THE, THE ENTRY IS, IS LOWER.
SO IT'S JUST A SINGLE SIX INCH STEP, UM, TO STEP UP TO, TO THE ENTRANCE.
THESE ARE QUESTIONS I WOULD NOT HAVE ASKED IN MAY
I, I ALWAYS DESIGN WITH, WITH, UM, AGING IN PLACE IN MIND, UH, THE RESTROOMS ARE ACCESSIBLE, UH, COMPLETELY.
UM, UH, MR. PENA, COULD YOU CLARIFY THE INTENTIONS SINCE SEVERAL QUESTIONS HAVE COME UP ABOUT THE FINISHES AND
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MATERIALS? UM, IF, IF THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION WITH STAFF OF PROCEEDING WITH APPROVING THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS, THE SHAPE, THE MASKS, THE WHERE THE WINDOWS ARE AND STUFF LIKE THAT, AND THEN YOU COMING BACK WITH YOUR MATERIALS LIST PROJECT? I GUESS I HAVEN'T HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH STAFF.I PROJECT, OH, WELL, I, I GUESS IT WASN'T MY IDEA.
UH, I HAVE DONE PROJECTS THAT WAY IN THE PAST WHERE WE DESIGN EVERYTHING.
'CAUSE I, I LIKED, UH, KIND OF A, A CONCERTED EFFORT TO, TO DO A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO COLORS.
UM, ONCE THE OWNER CAN SEE THE STRUCTURE, I, I THINK PAINT SWATCHES IS THE RIGHT APPROACH AS OPPOSED TO SELECTING A COLOR BEING TIED TO IT.
AND THEN ONCE IT'S ON THE WALL, WE DON'T LIKE THE SHEEN BECAUSE OF THE REFLECTIONS IN THAT SPECIFIC AREA.
SO, SO I LIKE TO DO THAT ONCE WE CAN PUT SWATCHES ON THE WALL ITSELF AND THEN WE TIE DOWN THE COLOR AT THAT POINT.
SO, SO, SO YOU'VE GIVEN US SOME MATERIALS BOOK, BUT YOU ARE OR ARE NOT PREPARED TO DISCUSS THE FINAL COLORS AND FINAL MATERIALS OF EVERYTHING.
BRICKS, YOU SAID YOU HADN'T PICKED OUT WHICH BRICK YET? JUST THIS MODULE COR, CORRECT.
UM, I HAVE NOT HAD THE CONVERSATIONS WITH, WITH MY CLIENTS ABOUT THE COLORS YET.
COMMERS, YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY ADD A CONDITION, I THINK WOULD BE THE, THE THING TO DO TODAY.
ADD THE CONDITION THAT ALL MATERIALS IN COLOR COME BACK FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
THAT, THAT, THAT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT WE MIGHT NEED TO DO IF, IF YOU ARE WANTING TO WAIT TO, UM, DESIGN SOME OF THEM WITH THE COOPERATION OF YOUR CLIENT OR IF SHE HAS NOT YET PICKED, WHICH SHE THINKS IS BEST.
THIS IS INTERESTING, UH, THAT CAME UP ABOUT THE STEP, UM, MR. PENA, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE CONSIDER THIS, BUT THE, IT'S A, A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, BUT SINCE IT'S GONNA BE CONVERTED AND USED AS A DOCTOR'S OFFICE, IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO DER.
IT NEEDS TO BE SUBMITTED AND REGISTERED AND WOULD'VE TO COMPLY FOR TEXAS ACCESSIBILITY STANDARDS.
SO YOU PROBABLY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO ADD A RAMP.
THINK ABOUT, OKAY, THAT, UH, THAT IS A VERY VALID POINT.
I'VE BEEN DOING RESIDENTIAL SO LONG.
SOMETIMES I FORGET I HAVE TO DO THE RAS REVIEW, BUT YEAH, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S VERY TRUE.
I'D LIKE TO ALSO, UH, REINFORCE, UH, COMMISSIONER REEVES AND THE OTHER COMMISSIONER ABOUT THE, UH, A DA REQUIREMENT BEING THAT I THINK ANY BUILDING, UH, SHOULD HAVE AN A DA REQUIREMENT OF ACCESSIBILITY.
SO, UH, KEEP THAT IN MIND, MR. PENA, THAT, UH, THAT YOU MAY BE REQUIRED TO DO THAT.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? BECAUSE NOW WE'RE GONNA NEED A MOTION.
I KNOW SO FAR WE'VE DONE THE WHOLE DAY WITHOUT HAVING MAKE A MOTION HARDLY UNDER THESE INDIVIDUAL.
I JUST WANTED TO, I JUST WANTED TO REINFORCE, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU WOULD COME BACK WITH THE MATERIALS AND ALSO IF THERE'S A, A REQUIREMENT FOR A RAMP THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT AT THAT TIME, BECAUSE WE NEED TO REVIEW THAT ALSO.
UM, YES, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS MULLING OVER IN MY HEAD RIGHT NOW.
DOES ANYONE HAVE A MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION.
UM, IN THE MATTER OF CASE NUMBER 2 6 2 4 2 2 A, UH, ALSO KNOWN AS 47 YES.
OH, COA TWO SIX, UH, 3 5 8 CASE REPORT, UM, ALSO KNOWN AS 47 0 4 GASTON AVENUE THAT WE, UM, FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS TO SPECIFICATIONS STATED 8 3 2 2 6.
UM, I DO WANT TO ADD ONE CONDITION THAT THE, UH, ACTUALLY TWO CONDITIONS, ONE THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT DO DOES, UM, UH, CONSIDER ALL, UM, A DA AND, UH, RAS, UH, MODIFICATIONS TO FOR ACCESSIBILITY.
AND THE SECOND ONE IS THAT A COLOR PALETTE BE SUBMITTED TO, UH, STAFF FOR, UH, FOR APPROVAL SECONDS.
THE SECOND THANKS FROM COMMISSIONER REEVES.
UH, NOW, DID YOU INTEND THE COLOR PALETTE
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AND MATERIALS LIST TO BE STAFF APPROVAL ONLY OR TO COME BACK TO US? I TRUST YOU GUYS.UM,
IT'S A MATTER OF WHO GETS BLAMED IF THERE'S A PROBLEM.
I HAVE A QUESTION OR A COMMENT.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT THE STAIRS BE STRAIGHT? UM, YES.
WITH DO COMMISSIONER REEVES AS A SECOND? YES.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION IN THAT CASE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
IT APPEARS, APPEARS THE MOTION HAS CARRIED, AND SO YOU CAN CONTINUE WITH YOUR WORK, MR. PENA, AND DO ENJOY YOUR VACATION WHILE IT LASTS.
OKAY, NEXT UP IS CASE NUMBER 14, AND THAT IS 53 10 SWISS AVENUE.
CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 14 53 10 SWISS AVENUE, SWISS AVENUE, HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL DISTRICT 14 COA 26 0 0 0 3 2 0.
REQUEST NUMBER ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CHANGE PAINT COLORS OF MAIN STRUCTURE.
REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE TO INSTALL GUTTERS ON MAIN STRUCTURE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, THAT THE RE THAT A REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE APPROPRIATENESS TO CHANGE PAINT COLORS OF MAIN STRUCTURE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT PROPOSED COLORS ARE NOT APPROPRIATE TO THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO, THAT A REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL GUTTERS ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE GUTTERS MATCH THE APPROVED FASCIA TRIM COLOR OF THE STRUCTURE.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROPOSED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 63 1 16 1 H ROMAN FOUR CITY CODE SECTION 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, THAT A REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CHANGE PAINT COLORS OF MAIN STRUCTURE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE, IS THEY DO NOT COMPLIMENT THE STYLE OF THE OVERALL CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT.
NUMBER TWO, THAT A REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL COPPER COLORED GUTTERS ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE AS THEY DO NOT COMPLIMENT THE STYLE OF THE OVERALL CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT.
AND WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS REGISTERED FOR THIS ONE.
THE FIRST ONE REGISTERED IS COURTNEY JOINER.
AND I DON'T SEE MS. JOINER ON.
MAYBE WE NEED TO MOVE HER OVER.
I ALSO DON'T SEE ROSS GAGE WHO IS REGISTERED, SO, HI.
AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK, I NEED EACH OF YOU TO TELL ME YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND PROMISE OR AFFIRM THAT YOU WILL TELL THE TRUTH.
AND YES, WE'LL TELL THE TRUTH.
SO, UM, YOU, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND TELL US A BIT MORE ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU LISTENED TO THE BRIEFING TO HEAR SOME OF OUR CONCERNS OR TELL US WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT.
UM, SO AS YOU, OH, OKAY, NEVERMIND.
WE LOST YOUR VIDEO FOR A SECOND.
EVERYTHING BACK? YEAH, YOU'RE FINE.
UM, SO AS MENTIONED, WE'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL, UM, FOR OUR PAINT TRIM, WHICH IS, UM, SHERWIN WILLIAMS METAL, BASIL, AND TURKISH COFFEE FOR THE PAINT OF THE DOOR, WHICH IS A VERY SIMILAR COLOR TO WHAT EXISTS FOR THE DOOR AND RUSTIC COPPER GUTTERS AND DOWNSPOUTS.
UM, SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THE PAINT DOES NOT TOUCH THE HISTORIC BRICK, LIMESTONE, LENTILS OR CLAY TILE ROOF.
IT APPLIES ONLY TO THE SURFACE THAT PAINTED ALREADY.
OUR HOME IS A 1916 PRAIRIE INFLUENCED RESIDENTS CHARACTERIZED BY HIP ROOF WITH RED CLAY TILE, RED IN FLASH, BRICK MASONRY, LIMESTONE, LENTILS, AND RESTRAINED ORNAMENTATION.
THE PRAIRIE SCHOOL DESIGN GREW OUT OF THE ARTS AND CRAFTS MOVEMENT
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AND FAVORED MUTED EARTH DERIVED TONES SUCH AS OLIVE AND SAGE, GREENS AND BROWNS MEANT TO BLEND IN WITH THE LANDSCAPE AND MUTED.GREEN COMPLIMENTS ARE RED AND FLASHED BRICK AND RED ROOF TILE, WHICH HISTORICALLY WELL WITH THE SUBDUED GREENS AND THE LESS LIMESTONE AND MASONRY DETAILS STAND OUT THE WAY THEY WERE DESIGNED TO, RATHER THAN A NEWER TRENDY LOOK.
THIS PALETTE RESTORES THE HOME TO A COLOR APPROACH CONSISTENT WITH ITS ACTUAL ARCHITECTURAL PERIOD.
UM, THE CODE GOVERNING THIS TOPIC FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, NO PAINTING OF THE BRICK AND STONE, NO FLUORESCENT METALLIC COLORS, AND ONE DOMINANT COLOR WITH UP TO THREE TRIM COLORS AND COMPLIMENTARY COMPATIBLE COLORS AND COLORS WITHIN THE APPROVED RANGE.
WE ARE ALL, WE ARE, WE ARE, UM, DOING ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
AND, UM, WE'D ALSO NOTE THAT THE RUSTIC COPPER GUTTERS ARE HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE FOR THIS HOUSE OF THIS AGE COPPER WITH STANDARD HIGH QUALITY MATERIAL ON HOMES OF THIS ERROR.
THE RESITE COPPER PROVIDES A NATURAL BROWN TO GREEN PATINA, THE SAME EARTH TONE FAMILY AS THE BRICK TILE ROOF AND PROPOSED PAINT COLORS.
SO IT REINFORCES THE HISTORIC MATERIAL PALETTE.
RATHER THAN INTRODUCING SOMETHING FOREIGN TO IT, WE'D BE REPLACING THE PAINTED ALUMINUM GUTTERS WITH ALUMINUM GUTTERS WITH THE PROPOSED BAKED ON RUSTIC COPPER FINISH.
THIS PALLET WAS RECOMMENDED AFTER WORKING WITH THE DESIGN FIRM AND SPECIFICALLY DESIGNERS SPECIALIZING IN HISTORIC HOMES COMPLIES WITH THE CODE THAT'S GOVERNING THE SWISS AVENUE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND FALLS WITHIN THE APPROVED COLOR RANGE AND IS HISTORICALLY GROUNDED IN THE PRAIRIE SCHOOL OF CHARACTER OF OUR HOME.
FOR THESE REASONS, WE RESPECTFULLY ASKED THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE THE CA, UM, AS SUBMITTED, DO YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING? NO, NO, I THINK, I THINK THAT, I THINK YOU COVERED IT,
I THINK A LOT OF OUR, IT MAKES MY JOB EASY.
I THINK WE, WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT YOUR PAINT A LOT, BUT I DID WANNA VERIFY YOU SAID THAT THE GUTTERS ARE THEY ACTUALLY MADE OF COPPER AND THEY WILL BE ALLOWED TO PATINA OR THEY HAVE AN ARTIFICIAL PATINA ALREADY ON 'EM? THEY HAVE AN ARTIFICIAL PATINA.
WE HAVE ALUMINUM GUTTERS ALREADY, SO WE'D BE REPLACING WITH ALUMINUM GU GUTTERS WITH A RUSTIC COPPER FINISH.
YEAH, THEY'RE CURRENTLY PAINTED.
I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE, UM, THE BODY COLOR OF THE STUCCO IN PARTICULAR.
UM, WHAT I'M FINDING, UM, GENERALLY WITH HISTORIC COLORS OF, UH, OF THIS ERA, PARTICULARLY FOR, UH, FOR PRAIRIE STYLE, UM, YES, THEY'RE INDEED, UM, UH, ALL OF, YOU KNOW, UH, MIMICKING NATURAL OR COLORS FOUND IN NATURE.
UM, HOWEVER, GENERALLY THE, THE BODY, UM, AND IN, IN THIS CASE, THE STUCCO FACADE IS, IS TYPICALLY A NEUTRAL COLOR, NOT ONE THAT MATCHES THE, UM, THE TRIM.
UM, WHAT WAS YOUR, YOUR THINKING AND WANTING, WANTING TO BLEND THAT WITH ALL YOUR ACCENT COLORS? YEAH, I MEAN, THERE WAS MORE JUST HAVING A SOLID BODIED COLOR ACROSS THE EAVES, THE FASCIA, UM, AND THE TRIM, I'M SORRY, ONE MORE TIME.
THERE IT WAS JUST HAVING A CONSISTENT COLOR ACROSS THE BODY, THE FASCIA, THE EAVES, UM, AND THE TRIM.
WELL THAT, THAT TENDS TO NOT MAKE IT AN ACCENT AT THAT POINT.
THAT EVERYTHING IS OF A, I MEAN, AND EVEN THE TWO COLORS TOGETHER, UM, THE BROWN AND THE GREEN ARE VERY SIMILAR IN, IN, UM, TONE.
UM, AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THE AMOUNT OF REFLECTIVITY.
SO IF YOU WERE TO SQUINT AND NOT SEE THE COLOR THAT, UH, WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IS, IS BASICALLY A MONOTONE OR MONOCHROME, YOU KNOW, MONOCHROME.
UM, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE TRYING TO AVOID.
UM, 'CAUSE ONE OF THE BEAUTIFUL THINGS ABOUT THE HOME TO BEGIN WITH IS IT'S, IS ITS ARTICULATION AND, UM, YOU KNOW, DETAILING ON, ON, UH, ON THE COLUMN EDGES, ON THE BALUSTRADE.
I MEAN, THERE'S JUST SOME BEAUTIFUL, UH, DETAILS AND, UM, IN MY OPINION, I'D HATE TO SEE THEM ALL, UH, KIND OF BLEND IN.
SO WHEN YOU SAY THE, ACTUALLY, WHAT, WHAT PORTION OF THAT ARE YOU, ARE YOU TALKING TO ABOVE THE FRONT PORCH? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? BECAUSE THAT WOULD, THAT THE SIDE PORCH IN PARTICULAR IS TO, UM, LET THAT BODY COLOR OF THE, OF THE STUCCO, UH, BE UNMUTED.
UM, YES, I DO, I ACTUALLY, UH, AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER RENO.
THE, UH, THE MONOCHROME APPROACH WOULD BE
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WANTED TO BE AVOIDED.THE COLORS USED, SHOULD BE COMPLIMENTARY AND NOT IN THE SAME, UH, MONOCHROME APPROACH, AND THEREFORE THAT YOU WOULD GET LOST.
UH, A LOT OF FEATURES AND DETAILS AND THINGS OF THIS NATURE GETS LOST IN THIS MONOCHROME APPROACH AND THAT WOULDN'T BE IN KEEPING TO ITSELF THE PERIOD AND ITS, AND ITS OWN SELF HERE.
AND SO I WOULD HAVE STRONG CONCERNS OF HAVING THAT SAME COLOR PALETTE TO BE, UH, APPROVED TODAY.
AND THAT'S ON THE, IS THAT AGAIN, KIND OF THE BIGGEST CONCERN IS HAVING THE DARKER ON THE, UH, KIND OF THE STUCCO ON THAT WALL STUCCO MADAM THE CHAIR, I THINK, HANG ON, COMMISSIONER REEVES.
UM, I THINK GENERALLY WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THOSE COLORS ARE TWO ARE, ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE DARK THAN WE'D LIKE TO SEE, BUT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM.
IT MAKES IT HARD TO SEE WHEN YOU PAINTED ONE PIECE OF SOMETHING WITH ONE COLOR AND THE OTHER WITH THE OTHER COLOR, IT WILL LOOK THE SAME.
THE GRADATION IS TOO SIMILAR AND THEREFORE DOESN'T REALLY, THEY, THEY DON'T COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER.
THEY, THEY BASICALLY BLEND TOGETHER AND IT BECOMES MORE OF A MONOCHROME LOOK THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE WHOLE APPROACH WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT.
AND THE, AND PER THE ORDINANCE, THOSE COLORS SHOULD BE COMPLIMENTARY AND NOT SIMILAR.
AND THE TWO COLORS YOU'RE REFERRING TO ARE, WHICH TWO COLORS? THE MUDDLED GREEN AND THE DARK JUST FOR THE DOOR.
WE PREFER TO SEE THE, THE TWO COLORS YOU PICK, NOT BE QUITE SO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER.
A MORE DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM SO THAT IT STANDS OUT THAT ONE IS, IS THE MORE BASE COLOR AND ONE IS THE MORE SPECIAL TRIM COLOR.
READY? COMMISSIONER REEVES, YOU HAD A QUESTION.
WELL, DOES ANYBODY KNOW IF, IF STUCCO WAS ORIGINALLY STUCCO THE, THE, THE COLOR OF STUCCO THAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW? BECAUSE THAT LOOKS, WE DON'T, WE KNOW, I MEAN, THAT WASN'T, THAT WAS ORIGINALLY A PORCH THAT WAS, YEAH, AT ONE POINT THAT WAS A PORCH.
AND SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT ALL WAS CHANGED WHENEVER THEY CLOSED THAT IN AND THE WINDOW BOX LOOKING THINGS, THOSE WOULD STAY THE SAME COLOR AS THEY ARE NOW.
WE BELIEVE THOSE ARE MADE OF LEAD, SO WE HAVEN'T MESSED WITH THOSE.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO, WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO GET INTO THAT.
WELL, I'M JUST, I'M JUST CONCERNED AS OTHERS ARE THAT THE COLORS THAT YOU'VE CHOSEN ARE VERY CLOSE TO THE COLOR OF YOUR BRICK AND IT'S JUST GONNA BE DARK.
UM, I AGREE WITH THE COMMISSIONERS.
I SPOKE, UM, PRAIRIE COLORS ARE EARTHY AND EVEN THOUGH THIS COLOR IS ON THE APPROVABLE COLOR RANGE, WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW IT INTERACTS WITH THE REST OF IT.
NOW WE, WE HAVE THE BRICK THAT WE ARE KIND OF STARTING WITH.
AND THE BRICK NEEDS TO HAVE SOME DEGREE OF COMP.
IT NEEDS A COMPLIMENT, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, NOT BE THE SAME AS STUCCO AS, UM, COMMISSIONER REE SAID IS TYPICALLY STUCCO COLOR, WHICH WOULD BE A LIGHT EARTH TONE.
IT CAN BE SANDY, IT CAN BE EVEN PINKY OR EVEN A LITTLE BIT OF GREEN.
BUT STUCCO TYPICALLY IS A LIGHTER COLOR BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE NATURAL.
SO PAINTING THE STUCCO THE SAME COLOR AS THE WOOD TRIM, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE SAME VALUE AS THE BRICK WILL MAKE THE HOUSE KIND OF JUST DISAPPEAR.
AND I THINK MOST OF THE HOUSES ON SWISS AVENUE HAVE, AS YOUR HOUSE IS CURRENTLY, IF IT'S A DARK BRICK, THEY HAVE A COMPLIMENTARY LIGHTER COLOR TRIM SO THAT THE TRIM DOES NOT BLEND IN WITH THE REST OF IT AND BECOME ONE MASSIVE COLOR.
SO I GUESS AS WE, I MEAN, JUST A QUESTION.
WE'D LOVE SOME GUIDANCE HERE AS WE RETHINK THE COLOR PALETTE HERE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING KIND OF, I'M JUST LOOKING AT OVER HERE ON MY SCREEN, SOMETHING SANDIER OR KIND OF LIGHTER TONE, I THINK OF SOME CONTRAST ON THE STUCCO PORTION.
UM, I MEAN AS FAR AS USING SOME OF THE DARKER MORE EARTHIER COLORS ON SOME OF THE OTHER PROPOSED PIECES OF THE HOUSE.
I MEAN, WHAT KIND OF GUIDANCE WOULD Y'ALL GIVE US THERE? ESPECIALLY IF WE ALSO HAD A LIGHTER COLOR DOOR SINCE THAT WAS POINT, POINT OF FEEDBACK TOO, ON THE CONTRAST THERE.
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UH, ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR WHAT MIGHT BE BETTER COLORS TO HIGHLIGHT THE BEAUTY OF THE HOME? YEAH.I BELIEVE THAT THE MODEL BASAL OUGHT TO BE, UM, UM, CONSIDERED IN A LIGHTER TONE.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE THE SAME HUE, BUT, UH, BUT JUST, UM, LIGHTEN THAT ONE UP.
SO WHAT WOULD YOUR THOUGHTS BE AS FAR AS THE TRIM ON THE WINDOWS? WINDOWS SASHES AND LIKE THE EAVES AND KIND OF A LIGHTER VERSION OF THAT MUDD BASIL? UM, SO, OKAY, THIS IS, SO THAT COULD EITHER STAY AS THE, AS THE MUDDLED BASIL AND BE, UM, YOU KNOW, A COMPLIMENT TO IT.
UH, THE DARKER COLORS DID TEND TO BE ON THE, THE TRIM AND ACCENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WINDOW MILLIONS AND, UH, SASHES.
ANYONE ELSE? BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ONE.
COMMISSIONER HARPER HAD HIS MICROPHONE ON AND I JUST SAT HERE STARING AT IT AND DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE.
I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD MENTION THE GUTTERS 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK ANYBODY REALLY COMMENTED ON THAT, BUT J JUST MY THOUGHT IS THE IDEA OF A FAUX FINISH ON ALUMINUM GUTTERS MIGHT NOT IDEAL.
USUALLY THE STRATEGY AND SWISS AND SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS IS TO PAINT THE GUTTERS THE SAME COLOR AS THE FASCIA TRIMS. SO THEY BASICALLY JUST GO AWAY AND YOU DON'T DRAW ATTENTION TO THEM.
I THAT IS WHAT WE HAD HEARD IN FEEDBACK TOO.
UM, SO I, WE'VE HEARD ONE NOTE THAT THEY'RE MEANT TO BE THE SAME COLOR AS THE TRIM, WHICH OURS ARE NOW CREAM.
AS YOU CAN SORT OF TELL, KIND OF SEE WHICH STANDS OUT QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY FROM THE BRICK.
UM, AND SO WE HAD THOUGHT WITH THE PROPER, OR DOING THE MUD BASIL, THEY WOULD FADE IN MORE WITH THE BRICK.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO, HAVING THEM NOT, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED MORE CLARITY ON THAT BECAUSE I THINK I'VE HEARD TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE, I LEMME JUST LEMME WE DO TEND TO RECOMMEND THAT THE GUTTERS MATCH THE FASCIA.
SO STAFF ACTUALLY THAT OUR RECOMMENDATION SPECIFICALLY, LIKE WITH ON PURPOSELY TODAY WAS TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITION THAT IT MATCHED THE FASCIA.
THE BIG QUESTION THEN IS WHAT COLOR IS THE FASCIA? YEAH.
AND MAYBE IF I COULD ADD TO THAT, I, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE SWISS ORDINANCE.
I LIVE IN MUNGER, SO A COUPLE OF STREETS OVER FROM Y'ALL, MUNGER, THE ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY SAYS TOO THAT THE DOWNSPOUTS MATCH THE ADJACENT SURFACE.
SO BASICALLY YOUR HORIZONTAL GUTTERS WOULD MATCH YOUR FASCIA, WHATEVER COLOR GETS APPROVED, BUT THEN THE VERTICAL DOWNSPOUTS WOULD MATCH THE BRICK.
SO THE IDEA IS THAT ALL THE GUTTERS AND DOWNSPOUTS BLEND IN AND DON'T ATTRACT.
I'M NOT SURE ABOUT SWISS, I THINK SWISS ON THE GUTTERS AND DOWNSPOUT SAYS GUTTERS AND DOWNSPOUTS MUST BE PAINTED OR COLORED TO MATCH THE COMPLIMENT OR COMPLIMENT THE COLOR SCHEME OF THE STRUCTURE TO WHICH THEY'RE ATTACHED.
SO WE'RE ALL BASICALLY SAYING THE SAME THING IN SO MANY WORDS.
SO WHATEVER THE PATIENT BOARD'S GONNA BE, IT'S GOING TO WANT TO TRY TO BLEND INTO THAT COLOR.
I WANTED TO SAY SOME, CAN I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE, THE PAINTING? UM, I'VE NOTED OVER THE YEARS THAT IF YOU HAVE, UH, DARK, THAT YOUR WINDOWS APPEAR TO BE DARK BECAUSE THERE'S NO CURTAINS BEHIND THEM.
SO A LIGHTER MULIAN WILL SHOW IF YOU PAINT THE MULIAN A DARKER COLOR THAT WILL ALL DISAPPEAR UNLESS YOU HAVE WHITE DRAPERY BEHIND THEM, WHICH YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE.
LITERALLY, YOU'RE GONNA LOSE ALL OF THOSE THAT DETAIL WORK AT NIGHTTIME.
YOU'LL SEE WHEN THE LIGHTS ARE ON.
BUT DURING THE DAYTIME, ALL OF THE WINDOW DETAILS WILL DISAPPEAR BECAUSE OF THE LIGHT AND DARKNESS.
ON THE, ON THIS, UM, THE, THE DO SPOTS, I REALLY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH A COPPER COLORED DOWN SPOT.
A LOT OF HOUSES LY HAD COPPER DOWNSPOUTS.
SO I, I THINK THAT'S AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE THAT A COPPER COLORED DOWNSPOUT THAT REPRESENTS COPPER WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, IN MY OPINION ON THE HOUSE.
AND I, I WOULD NOTE ONE REASON THOSE WINDOWS LOOK A LITTLE DARKER THAN THEY PROBABLY REALLY ARE, IS THEY HAVE REALLY OLD AND DIRTY STORM WINDOWS COVERING ALL OF THEM ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE YOU SEE THAT DARK TRIM STORM WINDOWS AROUND IT.
IT'S WHERE THEY PUT, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY PUT THOSE ON THERE.
UM, BUT THEY ARE, THEY'LL BE REMOVED.
YEAH, THEY'LL BE REMOVED IN THE PROCESS.
BUT JUST KEEP IN MIND, IF YOU PAINT YOUR WINDOW VOLUMES A DARK COLOR THAT ALL
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THAT DETAIL WILL DISAPPEAR EXCEPT AT NIGHT.SO I MEAN THAT'S, PEOPLE HAVE NOTICED OVER THE YEARS THAT THE DARK COLORS MAY LOOK RICH ON THE HOUSE, BUT IT MAKES A TOTAL DIFFERENCE TO THE LOOK OF THE HOUSE.
JUST TO CLARIFY, THE SWISS AVENUE ORDINANCE DOES SAY THAT THE GUTTERS AND DOWNSPOUTS MUST MATCH OR COMPLIMENT.
IS ANYONE READY TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS? I JUST HAVE ONE THING TO SAY.
I THINK, I THINK, I THINK THE FRONT DOOR COLOR IS, IS LOVELY.
THE ONLY THING I HAVE TROUBLE WITH IS THE, THE TRUE COLOR.
WHO SHALL BRAVELY STEP FORTH NOW WITH EMOTION? I HAVE A MOTION AND THEN WE SHALL KNIGHT.
YOU WISH THERE? NO, BECAUSE YOU'RE ALWAYS BRAVE.
SO WERE RENO
TWO 15, RIGHT? I MEAN, UH, MOST IMPORTANT IS PROBABLY THE ADDRESS 50 53 10 COA NUMBER.
WHICH IS ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE.
UM, REGARDING THE, UM, SUBMISSION 53 10 SWISS AVENUE ALSO, UH, THE CASE NUMBER IS, UH, COA 2 6 3 2 0 THAT WE, UM, UH, THAT WE APPROVE, UM, WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT THE DOOR COLOR, UH, TURKISH COPY, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING IS, IS APPROVED THAT THE, UH, MUDDLED BASAL FOR, UH, TRIM AND WINDOW SASHES, TAKE THAT BACK FOR WINDOW SASHES IS APPROVED THAT A, UH, AN ALTERNATE COLOR, UM, LIGHTER THAN MUDDLED BASAL, BUT IT CAN BE OF THE SAME FAMILY, UH, OR THE SAME HUE, UM, BE SUBMITTED FOR, UH, ADDITIONAL TRIM COLORS AND THAT THE STUCCO, UM, BE A NEUTRAL COLOR.
UM, THE STAFF CAN, UH, APPROVE THESE ALTERNATIVE COLORS AS WHEN THEY'RE SUBMITTED.
BEFORE WE SECOND THAT, DID I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY THAT YOU SAID SOME OF IT COULD BE MUDDLED BASIL AND OTHER OF IT AN ALTERNATIVE TO MUDDLED BASIL? SO ONLY THE, UM, THE WINDOW SASHES WOULD BE MUD BASIL.
OH, AND, AND THAT THE, UM, RUSTIC, UM, BRO, NO, UH, COPPER, UH, IS APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
AND WE HAVE OUR SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER REEVES.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.
UM, AND JUST BECAUSE I, I SAW THE NOTE ON THE WINDOW SASHES REGARDING THE TRIM.
WOULD YOU, WOULD Y'ALL LIKE THAT TO BE A DIFFERENT COLOR, UH, ON THE WINDOWS SPECIFICALLY? UM, YEAH, WHAT HE SAID FOR THE, FOR THE REST OF IT IS THAT IT'D BE A LIGHTER VERSION OF YOUR MUDDLED BASAL, WHICH STAFF CAN APPROVE.
SO YOU FIND SOMETHING THAT'S IN, AND OFTEN IF THEY'RE ON A STRIP, YOU KNOW, AS YOU, YOU MOVE UP, THERE'S A LIGHTER VERSION OF IT.
SO YOU PICK ONE OF THOSE AND SUBMIT IT TO STAFF AND THEY'LL LET YOU KNOW.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED, COMMISSIONER REEVES SECONDED? YES.
SO IT APPEARS THAT THE, THE MOTION HAS CARRIED AND, AND STAFF WILL WORK WITH THE APPLICANTS TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WERE SAYING ABOUT COLORS.
AND, UM, THEN YOU CAN PROCEED TO WORK ON YOUR HOUSE AND CHARGE.
THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH FOR THE TIME TODAY.
YEAH, IT'S, WE'LL GO BACK, WE'LL GO BACKWARDS TO D 15.
CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF 57 14 SWISS AVENUE, SWISS AVENUE, HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL DISTRICT 14 COA 2 6 0 0 0 3 2 9.
REQUEST NUMBER ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO DISCU, UH, EXCUSE ME, TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ONE STORY COVERED PORCH REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A
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CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE SCREENS ON FRONT PORCH WITH ALL WOOD, WINDOWS AND DOORS.STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ONE STORY COVERED PORCH BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE DELINEATION OF THE NEW PORCH ADDITION IS NOT FLUSHED WITH THE MAIN STRUCTURE WALL SO THAT THE OVERHANG WAS NOT PROTRUDE PAST EXISTING MAIN STRUCTURE CORNER AND THAT THE REPLACEMENT SIDING BE WOOD AND SUBMITTED TO STAFF.
FOR STAFF TO STAFF FOR APPROVAL.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROPOSED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 63 1 16 1 B MEET CITY CODE SECTION 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATIONS NUMBER STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE SCREENS ON FRONT PORCH WITH ALL WOOD WINDOWS AND DOOR BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT PER PRESERVATION SECTION PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 51 P DASH 63 1 16 1 K ROMAN TWO, UH, A FRONT ENTRANCE OR PORCH MAY NOT BE ENCLOSED WITH ANY MATERIAL INCLUDING IRON BARS, GLASS, OR MESH SCREENING.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS THEREFORE NOT CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 63 1 1 16 1 1 A ROMAN AT TWO DOES NOT MEET CITY CODE SECTION 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT ARREAR ONE STORY COVERED PORCH BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE ROOF OVERHANG BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE STYLE ON SCALE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST TO REPLACE SCREENS ON FRONT PORCH WITH ALL WOOD, WINDOWS AND DOOR BE APPROVED.
AND WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER WHO I SEE IS WITH US ONLINE.
MS. NETVIEW, IF YOU COULD START WITH YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
SO GO AHEAD AND TELL US ANY FURTHER INFORMATION WE NEED TO KNOW.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD OUR BRIEFING EARLIER, BUT IF YOU WANT
UM, THE PROPOSED ONE STORY COVERED REAR PORCH IS LOCATED ENTIRELY BEHIND THE FRONT ELEVATION.
ARE Y'ALL HEARING THAT? WE ARE NOT, BUT ONLINE PEOPLE ARE FOR SOME REASON.
UM, THE BACK PORCH WILL HAVE MINIMAL VISIBILITY FROM THE STREET AND WILL NOT ALTER THE HOME'S EXISTING PRESENCE.
THE ADDITIONS APPROPRIATELY SCALED AND PROPORTIONED TO THE EXISTING HOUSE.
THE SIDE PORCH WING IS ORIGINAL TO THE HOME AND IT'S NOT A LATER EDITION.
OUR PROPOSAL DOES NOT ALTER THE FRONT FACADE, THE FRONT PORCH, THE BRICK, OR ANY OF THE ORIGINAL OPENINGS.
WE'RE SIMPLY REPLACING THE EXISTING SCREEN AND FILL WITH WOOD FRAMED GLASS WINDOWS ON THE SIDE PORCH.
THE PROPOSED WOOD WINDOWS ON THE SIDE PORCH ARE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE HOME'S HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE AND WILL BETTER MATCH THE ORIGINAL SECOND FLOOR SUN PORCH WINDOWS BY RETAINING THE EXISTING OPENINGS AND IMPROVING ONLY THE INFILL.
THE PROJECT PRESERVES THE HISTORIC FABRIC, UM, OF THE HOME.
THE ENCLOSED SUNROOMS ARE MORE TYPICAL ON SWISS AVENUE RIGHT NOW THAN A SCREENED IN PORCH.
IF YOU GO AND DRIVE DOWN BOTH SIDES, YOU'LL SEE ALMOST ALL ENCLOSED, UM, SIDE PORCHES.
UH, AND I HAVE A FEW PHOTOS OF EXAMPLES.
UM, WE BELIEVE THAT THERE'S NO ADVERSE EFFECT, UM, OF THIS SIDE PORCH WINDOW REQUEST.
UM, WE BELIEVE THAT, UM, IT ALL MEETS THE INTENT OF PRESERVATION GUIDES AND BY MAINTAINING THE CHARACTER OF THE HOME AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.
WHO, WHO HAS QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER REEVES.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE, UH, PICTURES OF THE OTHER THINGS BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY SAYS THEY CAN'T BE INFILLED WITH GLASS.
SO THE, THE ORDINANCE SAYS, UM, FRONT
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PORCHES CANNOT BE ENCLOSED AND WE BELIEVE THIS TO BE, UM, A SIDE PORCH.UM, I BELIEVE IF IT WAS, IF IT MEANT ALL THE PORCHES IN THE FRONT, IT WOULD SAY ANY PORCH.
BUT YES, I WILL SHARE MY SCREEN AND PHOTOS OF THIS HOME POSSIBLY HAD ONE, UM, FILLED IN ON THE LEFT SIDE.
THIS ONE AS WELL ON THE LEFT, OUR FAVORITE ON SWISS WITH A SIMILAR IDEA.
AND THEN, UM, THIS HOUSE AS WELL ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
THAT IS YOUR TIME ACTUALLY, WE'RE NOW UP TO WHERE SHE'S ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
ON THE RIGHT SIDE THERE ARE EXAMPLES WITH, WITH BLAST AND WITH SCREENING IN, OF COURSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW THEY GOT THAT WAY.
LEGALLY OR NOT, BUT ALL WERE YOU FINISHED COMMISSIONER REEVES, COMMISSIONERS OUT? COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS? I HAVE QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DO THE BASICALLY 50% RULE ON A LOT OF OUR ORDINANCES AND I GUESS PARTICULAR ORDINANCES, UM, THOSE ARE SEEN TO BE VISIBLE OR SIGNIFICANTLY IMPORTANT, UH, TO THE HIERARCHY UP TO THE FRONT, THE FIRST 50% OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
UH, WHAT IS STAFF'S, UM, POINT OF VIEW ON, ON THIS ORDINANCE THAT, UH, A SIDE IN THIS LOCATION WHERE THIS PARTICULAR ONE IS, IS CONSIDERED PART OF THE H HIERARCHY OF THE FRONT VISUAL IMPACT? WELL, IT, FIRST OF ALL, THE ENTRANCE IS TO THE FRONT.
IF YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSE, I DO BELIEVE THEY HAVE A SIDEWALK THAT ACTUALLY GOES TO THAT PORCH, THE ENTRANCE.
SO THEY HAVE ONE THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR AND IT CONTINUES TO GO TO DO.
THE FACT IS THAT EVEN THOUGH THIS MAY BE SET BACK FROM THE MAIN BLOCK OF THE HOUSE, IT STILL FACES FRONT, WHICH MAKES IT A FRONT ENTRANCE.
SO IMAGINE CUTTING THE MAIN STRUCTURE OF THE WHOLE FRONT.
50% OF IT IS ESSENTIALLY PROTECTED.
SO THIS IS NOT JUST ESSENTIALLY SEEN AS THE FRONT, IT IS BASICALLY THE FRONT IN STAFF OPINION.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? BECAUSE IF ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED, THEN IT WOULD BE TIME FOR PROMOTION.
CAN I, I, I HAVE
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, YOU HAVEN'T ASKED ANYTHING ON THIS ONE SO FAR.
DID THE STAFF READ VERBATIM WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT THE, UM, PROTECTED FACADE AND THE 50% SPA UH, AREA? YES, WE WILL.
GIVE THEM A SECOND TO LOOK THROUGH THEIR GIANT NOTEBOOK.
BUT I'VE ALSO, WHAT I'VE ALSO NOTED IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE PORCH COLUMNS ON THAT PORCH, THEY ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE COLUMNS ON THE MAIN HOUSE.
THEY HAVE A CASTSTONE CAPITAL AT THE TOP.
THEY APPEAR TO BE A PORCH COLUMN WHERE THE HOUSE COLUMNS ARE, WHERE THE, OR THE, THE WALLS ON THE UPPER SUN PORCH ARE DIFFERENT.
SO IT DOES DELINEATE THAT THIS IS A, A PORCH THAT WAS OPEN ORIGINALLY AND THE UPPER SUN PORCH HAS GOT A DIFFERENT TYPE OF COLUMN.
SO THAT DELINEATES ALSO THAT IT WAS NEVER ENCLOSED.
BUT I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE READ INTO THE RECORD EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT THE FRONT 50% BEING PROTECTED.
'CAUSE THIS IS IN THAT 50% NO PLEASURE, BUT HURRY UP.
AND ARE WE ALSO READY TO MAKE A MOTION ON THE REAR EDITION? ARE WE TAKING THEM SEPARATELY? THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE ITEMS. SO I GUESS YOU COULD DEFINITELY MAKE TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS.
WELL, AS LONG AS WE, UH, BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED THAT YET, I WOULD LIKE TO, IF WE WANNA DIVIDE 'EM INTO TWO MOTIONS, THAT'S FINE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T APPROVE THE REAR DISH WITHOUT MORE CONVERSATION.
THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE ITEMS FOR SURE.
BUT SEE, I MEAN, NO, WE ARE IN SWIFT, RIGHT? IT'S SWIFT.
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I HAVE A, A QUESTION I'M ALLOWED TO SPEAK.UM, IF THESE WINDOWS ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE, UM, IN FILLING WINDOWS, BUT STORM WINDOWS ARE, WHAT, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE OF, UM, OF THAT? HAVE WE SAID STORM WINDOWS? WERE I MISSED IT OR NO, I'M JUST, I'M JUST QUESTIONING THE, THE ORDINANCE.
UH, I THINK THE STORM WINDOWS ARE, ARE ON WINDOWS THAT WERE ALREADY EXISTING AS OPPOSED TO INFILL THAT HAD BEEN DONE, THAT WAS NOT THERE ORIGINALLY.
ADAM CHAIR, WELL, MARCUS IS LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE.
I PULLED IT UP AND JUST WENT, WELL, WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT SPECIFICALLY ON, ON THE ENTRANCES, IT SAYS A FRONT ENTRANCE OR PORCH MAY NOT BE ENCLOSED.
SO IT DOES ALLOW FOR THE FACT THAT THERE'S MORE THAN ONE FRONT FACE FACING OPENING SINCE THERE IS A DOOR.
AND I DO BELIEVE THERE IS A, A SIDEWALK THAT GOES BOTH TO THE VERY FRONT DOOR AND TO THAT SIDE, FRONT DOOR, SIDE FRONT, ESSENTIALLY.
IT'S LIKE THEY'D HAVE TWO FRONT DOORS, THEN ONE GLASS AND ONE MAIN.
UM, NO, IT'S, IT'S NOT A MAIN DOOR.
I, I, I UNDERSTAND IT WOULD BE, BUT IN THE FRONT FACADE, THERE WOULD BE TWO DOORS THEN.
BUT THE, THE REAL POINT IS IT DOES SAYS ENTRY OR PORCH AS IF THERE MIGHT BE A PORCH THAT'S NOT AN ENTRY, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THERE A LOT OF THESE HOUSES DO HAVE THAT OPEN SIDE, ORIGINALLY OPEN SIDE PORCH ON THEM.
SO THAT WAS PROBABLY THE REASON THEY LOOKED THAT WAY.
UM, I AM HONESTLY NOT SEEING IN THIS PARTICULAR, WE HAVE OTHER ORDINANCES AND I, I THINK THERE ARE OTHER DISTRICTS THAT SPECIFICALLY SAY THE FRONT 50%.
I'M NOT FINDING IT IN THIS ONE, CHRISTINA, BUT I I THINK IT'S COVERED UNDER THE ENTRANCES AND PORCHES FOR SURE.
IF, IF THAT WAS NOT A DOOR AND IT WAS JUST A FIXED WINDOW, WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE? UH, UH, IT WOULD STILL BE A, A ORIGINALLY PORCHED THAT HAD BEEN BUILT IN.
AND THE ISSUE IS, WHILE THERE WAS A CA INCLUDED IN OUR PACKET ORIGINALLY TO PUT THE SCREENING IN, UM, AND THEREFORE SCREENS COULD BE MAINTAINED FOREVER, BUT THAT DOESN'T, ASKING TO CHANGE IT TO GLASSES, ASKING TO CHANGE IT AND THEREFORE IS TO DO A NEW REQUEST.
AND SO THE ONLY YOU KNOW, REASON WE COULD GO WITH THAT, WE WOULD BE SAYING WE, WE WANT TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION TO THE ORDINANCE IN THIS CASE.
AND I, I DON'T, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY COMMERS SAY WHETHER THEY WANT TO MAKE MADAM CHAIR.
YES, ALLISON, UH, THERE, THERE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A DOOR THERE UNTIL WE APPROVED THE SCREENS BECAUSE IT WOULD'VE JUST BEEN AN OPEN PORCH.
SO IN THAT'S, WE, WE APPROVED THE DOOR.
WELL, AND TECHNICALLY, SO WE MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN'T APPROVE THE DOOR AND JUST HAVE IT BE A GLASS FRONT FOR ENCLOSURES.
IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS FOR ENCLOSURE, A FRONT ENTRANCE OR PORCH MAY NOT BE ENCLOSED WITH ANY MATERIAL INCLUDING IRON BARS, GLASS OR MESH SCREENING.
SO TECHNICALLY IN THE PAST, IF THERE WAS AN A CA THAT APPROVED IT, THEY WOULD'VE MADE AN EXCEPTION TO THE ORDINANCE.
BUT PER ORDINANCE, NOT EVEN THE SCREENING SHOULD HAVE BEEN PER THE ORDINANCE, IT'S NOT STRICTLY ALLOWED.
REQUIRES AN INDIVIDUAL EXCEPTION MADE FOR THIS BUILDING.
WHEN, WHEN, CAN I SAY ONE MORE? HANG ON.
COMMISSIONER REEVES WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF A SENTENCE.
WHEN, WHEN WAS, WAS THERE A CA THERE WAS A CA FOR THE SCREENING.
IT MUST HAVE INCLUDED THE DOOR.
SO WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS THE, WHY DID WE ALLOW THAT? BECAUSE I, I, I SEE, I I THINK THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GLASS IT IN.
I THINK, I MEAN, ALDER HOUSE HAS, HASN'T GLASSED IN, I MEAN, YEAH, SO, SO THAT'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT WHETHER THE SCREEN HAS A DOOR IN OR NOT IS NOT REALLY THE ISSUE THAT WE ARE FOCUSING ON HERE.
IT'S WHETHER IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN, WHETHER IT COULD BE MORE ENCLOSED THAN IT CURRENTLY HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO BE.
UM, BUT THEN I ALSO NOTE THAT YOU SAID THAT YOU WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF A ALLOWING FOR, FOR GLASSING IN YES.
AND ONE COULD MAKE AN ARGUMENT THAT THERE ARE ENOUGH THERE THAT HAVE DONE THAT, INCLUDING I THINK VIRGINIA MCALLISTER'S FORMER HOUSE HAS ONE GLASS IN THAT WE MIGHT SAY THAT IS A NEW STANDARD, BUT IN EACH AND EVERY CASE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A
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VARIATION ON THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE.WE WOULD ALLOW IT IN ONE CASE OR NOT.
AND THAT WOULD BE UP TO WHO, WHAT THE MAJORITY OF THE VOTES ARE WILLING TO GO WITH, UH, TO VOTE.
BUT ANYWAY, IF, IF IT EVER GETS TO ENCLOSED THAT ORCH ON THE SIDE WITH GLASS, THAT WILL ONLY BE BECAUSE WE AFFIRMATIVELY VOTE TO ALLOW THAT EXCEPTION TO THE ORDINANCE NO MATTER WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE THERE OR WHETHER OR NOT IT'S THEIR DOOR.
AND I, I THINK SPECIFICALLY WE HAVE TO GET RID OF THE DOOR THAT WE APPROVED BEFORE BECAUSE THEY SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO DOORS.
IT SPEAKS SPECIFICALLY TO MESH COVERING AS WELL.
YEAH, IT SPEAKS TO ENCLOSING IT WITH ANYTHING.
WINDOWS, DOORS, WHETHER THEY OPEN OR CLOSE OR JUST SIT THERE.
COMMISSIONER RENO AS A POINT OF, UH, ARGUMENT, UM, COULD WE, UH, STAND ON THE LEG OF APPROPRIATENESS BECAUSE OF THE PRE PREDO? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A PREDOMINANCE OR NOT, BUT OF THE OTHER ENCLOSED FORCES.
IF IT HAS BECOME MORE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE OF THE, THE MANY THAT HAVE DONE IT, OR IF THE MANY THAT HAVE DONE IT MAKE IT REALLY IMPORTANT TO KEEP ONE THE WAY IT ORIGINALLY WAS, IT COULD GO EITHER WAY ON THAT.
I WOULD KIND OF FIND IT HARD TO INCLUDE WITHOUT US KNOWING WHEN THOSE WERE MODIFIED.
IF THEY WERE MODIFIED, IF THEY'RE ORIGINAL.
I GUESS YOUR POINT IS A GOOD POINT THOUGH, ON THE, AS A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, BUT IF WE RULE TODAY, I WOULD STILL NOT BE IN FAVOR OF THAT.
'CAUSE I'D LIKE TO REALLY SEE EACH ONE OF THE EXAMPLES THAT ARE GIVEN AND THEN HOW IT BECAME THAT WAY.
WHAT IF THEY'RE ALL ORIGINAL? AND IF THEY'RE ALL ORIGINAL AND THIS ONE'S NOT, THEN I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE WRONG DECISION.
BUT IF, IF SOME, IF THEY DIDN'T MODIFY.
SO I, I VALUE THAT LOOKING AT IT AS A WHOLE MAY POSSIBLY, BUT I WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF THAT AT THIS MOMENT WITHOUT MORE DATA.
UM, WE HAVE GONE A LOT OVER THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.
I DON'T WANT US TO FORGET TO THINK ABOUT THE MUCH LARGER REAR PORCH.
OR IS THAT JUST NOT OF THIS MUCH CONCERN BECAUSE IT IS NOT SEEN FROM THE FRONT? OR DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THAT REAR POINT SO WE DON'T FORGET TO DISCUSS IT? I HAD ONE COMMENT ABOUT THE, THE REAR, UH, PORCH.
UM, THE, UH, THE COMMENT IN, IN THE, FROM TASK FORCE WAS THAT IT NEEDED TO STAY IN SCALE.
AND IN MY VIEW, YES, IT NEEDS TO STAY IN SCALE, WHICH MEANS IT WOULD NOT BE LIKE THE UPPER ROUGH, IT WOULDN'T HAVE THAT EXTENSION BECAUSE THAT NEEDS TO BE SEEN FROM THE GROUND.
AND ONE STORY UP IS A COMPLETELY VERY, I MEAN, IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, A VANTAGE POINT.
SO TO HAVE THE SAME SCALE WOULD BE, IN FACT, OUT OF SCALE.
SO DOES THAT MEAN YOU DO OR DO NOT THINK THE PROPOSED? I LIKE IT.
NO, BEYOND, BEYOND THE FACT THAT I LIKE IT, IT, I BELIEVE THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE.
I BELIEVE IT IS IN, UH, IN PROPER SCALE.
IT IS A DIFFERENT APPLICATION.
IT'S NOT A, UH, A MAJOR, UH, UH, BODY OF THE BUILDING THAT NEEDS THAT KIND OF DEFINITION WITH A, A VERY STRONG CAP, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, UH, PURELY INDICATIVE OF, OF GRAY STYLE.
UM, I BELIEVE IT IS APPROPRIATE.
SO WE HAVE ISSUES IN FRONT OF US.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE BACK PORCH? 'CAUSE IF NO ONE HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I HAVE A COMMENT OR ABOUT CHANGES.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, AS I NOTED EARLIER WITH THE OTHER SIMILAR CASE, THIS IS A SIDE PROJECTION AND SHOULD STAND ALONE AS A SIDE PROJECTION.
AND ANY ADDITION, IN MY OPINION, SHOULD BE ON THE MAIN HOUSE AND LET THE SIDE PROJECTION STAND ON ITS OWN BY FILLING IN THE BACK OF THAT PROJECTION.
YOU ARE ADDING MASS TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND SIDE ADDITIONS ARE REALLY NOT APPROPRIATE.
SO I WOULD PREFER THAT THE ADDITION BE BEHIND THE MAIN HOUSE AND THAT THIS PORCH PROJECTION STAND ON ITS OWN AS A BREAK FROM THE, THE STRUCTURE.
SO YOU WOULD PREFER A PORCH THAT ONLY EXTENDS FROM THE MAIN HOUSE FROM ITS TWO, TWO SIDE WALLS THERE AND DOES NOT POKE AT THE SIDE AT ALL? YES.
I THINK ADDITION SHOULD BE ON THE MAIN HOUSE ADDITION SHOULD NOT BE FILLING IN A SIDE PROJECTION AREA.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY, WHY YOU'RE SEPARATING THAT FROM THE MAIN HOUSE.
IT IS PART OF THE MAIN HOUSE STRUCTURE.
IT IS A SIDE PROJECTION THAT STANDS ORIGINALLY HAD THREE SIDES THAT WERE OPEN AIR AND THAT WAS THE WAY IT WAS LAID OUT.
AND TO FILL IN THE BACK SECTION OF THAT I THINK IS INAPPROPRIATE.
THE PROJECTION SHOULD STAND ON ITS OWN AS AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE AND NOT BE FILLED IN.
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MS. N THAT IS A, A PERFECTLY APPROPRIATE, UM, EXPRESSION OF AN OPINION.OTHERS WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION.
CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT, WHAT I SAID EARLIER AT, IN RELATION TO WHAT COMMISSIONER ANDERSON IS TALKING ABOUT IS BECAUSE I COULDN'T FIND THAT ONLY THE SIDE, THE 50% OF THE SIDE IS PROTECTED.
THAT MEANS THE WHOLE SIDE IS PROTECTED.
SO IN THAT CASE, THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU WOULD BE COVERING PART OF THE ORIGINAL EXTERIOR WALL WITH A NEW PORCH.
BUT THERE'S A, IT THERE'S A 50% RULE, OR NO, THERE IS NO 50% RULE.
AND THE ABSENCE OF THE 50% THAT IMPLIES THAT THE ENTIRE SIDE WALL IS IN, IN TECHNICALLY EVEN IMPLIES THAT THE REAR IS PROTECTED TOO.
'CAUSE THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO DEFINITION OF WHAT'S PROTECTED AND WHAT ISN'T.
IT MEANS EVERYTHING IS, BUT YOU CERTAINLY HAVE A LOT MORE LEEWAY, BUT WE HAVE LEEWAY TO SAY WHAT IS OR IS NOT PROTECTED IN AN INDIVIDUAL CASE.
IF I CAN SAY ONE MORE THING THAT WAS EXACTLY, I JUST WANNA FINISH THAT WAS EXACTLY MY POINT.
THAT ADDITION SHOULD BE TO THE REAR.
WE DO NOT START PUTTING ADDITIONS ON THE SIDES OF HOUSING COVERING UP THE ORIGINAL SIDE FACADE.
I I KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU MEANT.
SO EVERYBODY, IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR IF YOU DON'T ASK THEM, IF YOU DON'T, THEN WE NEED TO MOVE ON TO COMING UP WITH A MOTION, WHICH WE CAN THEN GAUGE OUR FEELINGS, OUR OUR JUDGMENTS ABOUT NOT OUR FEELINGS, OUR JUDGMENTS ON IT.
AND, UH, IT'S PERFECTLY OKAY IF YOU MAKE AN A MOTION THAT WE DON'T ALL JUMP UP AND AGREE WITH, BUT THAT GETS US GOING TOWARDS THE MOTION THAT WE CAN'T AGREE.
SO SOMEBODY BE, UM, CAN I SUGGEST SOMETHING? ACTUALLY, YOU'RE NOT REALLY SUPPOSED TO.
SO MS. NPE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SUGGEST, WANNA CHANCE? YES.
UM, ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS HOUSE, A FEW YEARS AGO, I GOT APPROVED A NEW PORCH IN THE REAR AND IT PROTRUDES PAST THE MAIN HOUSE.
UM, IF WE WERE TO CUT OFF THE PORCH AT THIS POINT, WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE? IF THE PORCH ADDITION WAS ONLY TO ONLY THIS RED LINE, WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE AS IT IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE HOUSE, UH, STREET, UM, LANDMARK HAS APPROVED.
THAT IS A, THAT IS A POTENTIAL THING THAT WE COULD CONSIDER.
AND YOU'RE SAYING YOU THINK THAT, UM, YOU AS THE DESIGNER AND THE OWNERS WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? YES.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL CONSIDER AS WE TRY TO HAVE A MOTION.
NOW, MR. MENNO, WERE YOU ABOUT TO GIVE ME A MOTION? YEAH.
ONE OTHER SUGGESTION I WAS GOING TO MAKE AND, AND MAYBE IT'S, UM, IN CONCERT WITH, UH, UH, WANTING TO UNDERSTAND THE DEFINITION THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON IS PROPOSING OR NOT PROPOSING IS, UM, IS UH, STATING, UM, IF THE EXTENSION, AND I REALIZE IT'S, IT, IT STARTS TO IMPEDE ON THE, THE DRIVEWAY, BUT IF THAT EXTENSION CAME ACROSS THE, THE, I GUESS THE SOUTHERN BAY OF THE HOME, UM, I BELIEVE THE ROOM THAT IT'S IN FRONT OF IS A LOOK BACK AT THE PLAN.
UH, WELL, IT'S A SIDE ROOM, UM, IN THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PLAN AND ITS ORIENTATION.
SO THAT THE EXTENSION IS COMING BEHIND THE MAIN BODY OF THE BUILDING INSTEAD OF BEYOND.
UH, IT, I KNOW IT'S AN INTERPRETATION, UM, BUT IT JUST AS ANOTHER SUGGESTION.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE IDEAS NOW WE NEED A MOTION THAT PUTS FORTH WHICH ONE WE WANT TO VOTE ON.
IT DOESN'T GIMME GOOD, BUT I LOOKED THIS DIRECTION.
AND THANK YOU AS ALWAYS, TRUTHFULLY FOR BEING SO RELIABLE.
I'M BEING WILLING TO TRY THOSE.
UM, REGARDING, UH, SUBMISSION 57 14 SWISS AVENUE, CASE NUMBER, UH, COA 2 6 3 2 9.
THAT, UM, THAT WE FOLLOW, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITION THAT, UM,
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THE NEW FRONT PORCH ADDITION IS NOT FLUSH WITH THE MAIN STRUCTURE.WELL, SO THAT, OKAY, SO THAT IS IT.
UM, SO THERE'S NOT FLUSH WITH THE MAIN STRUCTURE THAT IT'S, UH, FOOTPRINT EXTENDS AND IS ONLY ATTACHED TO THE REAR, UM, THREE PORTIONS OF ELEVATION.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S, UH, SOME CON CONFUS NOT, UM, NOT CLEAR DISTINCTION ON WHAT THOSE, THE REAR MOST, THE THREE REAR MOST, UH, ELEVATIONS.
UM, IT CAN EXTEND TO THE PLAN EAST, PLAN WEST OR PLAN EAST.
UH, BUT THE MAIN CONCERN CONSIDERATION THAT IS IT IS ATTACHED TO THOSE, UM, THREE, UH, TWO OR THREE PORTIONS OF THAT ELEVATION.
AND THE ITEM NUMBER TWO IS THAT WE FOLLOW, AGAIN, STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
ALRIGHT, SO ON THE FIRST ONE, IT, UH, IT IS FALSE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION, PRETTY MUCH AS WE JUST DISCUSSED, IT DOES NOT POKE OUT THAT SIDE AS IT CURRENTLY DOES.
IT STICKS TO CROSSING THE BACK, THOUGH IT MAY CROSS THE ENTIRE BACK PORTION OF THE HOUSE IF THEY WISH.
AND ON NUMBER TWO, WE ARE NOT APPROVING THE SWITCH TO GLASS ON THAT FRONT SIDE PORCH.
COMMISSIONER HARPER, I THINK IT SAID, YOU SAID THAT COMMISSIONER HARPER SAID IT'S ONLY I COULD HEAR IT, BUT I DID HEAR IT SO
SO ANY DISCUSSION NUMBER TWO, WE ARE FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON PLEASE.
UH, I WOULD SUGGEST THIS, UM, A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT THE SWISS AVENUE ORDINANCE, UH, PRECLUDES ADDITIONS TO THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO AS PART OF OUR JUSTIFICATION FOR WHY THIS WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT, IS IT VIOLATION? YEAH.
FOR A FINDING OF, FOR A FINDING OF FACT.
YOU AGREE WITH THAT COMMISSIONER HARPER IN A SECOND? YES.
COMMISSIONER REEVES, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP.
IT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY,
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
THE MOTION HAS CARRIED IT INCLUDE BOTH AN APPROVAL AND A DENIAL AND THEREFORE CARRIES THE OPTION TO APPEAL TO CPC FOR A FEE WHO WILL THEN RULE ON WHETHER WE HAVE JUDGED WRONGLY.
THAT IS IF WE HAVE NOT FOLLOWED THE ORDINANCE THE WAY WE, THEY THINK WE OUGHT TO.
UM, BUT I, I HOPE THE CLIENTS WILL AT LEAST BE HAPPY WITH THEIR LOVELY NEW REAR COURT AND ENJOY THAT ONE.
OKAY, ITEM NUMBER 17, WHICH SHOULD NOT HAVE A NUMBER ISSUE.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY THAT IT WAS, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON WHO MADE THE MOTION AND I DIDN'T QUITE CATCH YOU.
WHO SECONDED THE MOTION? IT WAS COMMISSIONER RENO WHO MADE THE MOTION AND COMMISSIONER HARPER WHO SECONDED IT.
YEAH, BUT JUST I WAS FOR A MOMENT.
HOW DO YOU CONFUSE THOSE TWO GENTLEMEN WHO ARE SO DIFFERENT? ONE IS HERE, ONE IS ONLINE.
THE, THE AMENDMENT WAS INDEED, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
OKAY, WE ARE UP TO, UM, THE INITIATION OF 5 0 5 WEST 10TH STREET.
THIS IS RAA
DISCUSSION ITEM D 17 CITED AT 5 0 5 WEST 10TH STREET.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A LANDMARK COMMISSION AUTHORIZED HEARING TO CONSIDER INITIATION OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR 5 0 5 WEST 10TH STREET, ALSO KNOWN AS THE MUSE HOUSE.
AND WE HAVE SPEAKERS FOR THIS ONE.
CHARLIE MILAN OR MILAN, I DON'T KNOW.
COME, COME ON FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT'S ON.
I DON'T THINK IT'S ON, ON, I HAVE TO, OH, NOW IT'S ON.
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YOU HEAR ME NOW? OKAY.YOU MAY HAVE TO LEAN CLOSER SO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ONLINE CAN HEAR YOU THOUGH.
HELLO, MY NAME IS CHARLES MILAN.
I RESIDE AT 5 0 5 WEST 10TH STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS.
AND I PROMISE TO TELL YOU DON'T HAVE TO PROMISE THAT YOU CAN LIE ALL YOU WANT, BUT, OKAY.
SO, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY.
IN THE PAST 10 YEARS, I'VE NOTICED FRIENDS AND FAMILY BECOMING MORE AND MORE INTERESTED IN THEIR GENEALOGY AND THEIR ANCESTRY, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH 23 AND ME OR MY HERITAGE OR FAMILY SEARCH, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY CAME FROM AND HOW THAT RELATES TO WHO THEY ARE TODAY.
COLLECTIVELY, I WONDER IF WE DO THE SAME THING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, OUR CITY, OUR STATE IN OUR NATION.
YESTERDAY I VISITED THE LIBRARY ACROSS THE STREET AND I SAW THE GEORGE WASHINGTON, UH, CUTOUT THAT WAS WELCOMING PEOPLE TO SEE THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE IN A GLASS CASE.
THE MUSE HOUSE GIVES US A GLIMPSE INTO THE PAST, INTO OAK CLIFF, INTO DALLAS, AND THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY WITH THIS HOUSE.
THOMAS MARCELLUS DEVELOPED THE AREA, AND AROUND 1890 BENJAMIN HARRY BASSES AND MARY BURNETT BASSES PURCHASED THE HOME AND BUILT THE HOME, OR PURCHASED THE LAND AND BUILT THE HOME.
THIS MIGHT MAKE IT ONE OF THE OLDEST HOMES IN DALLAS THAT SOMEONE STILL RESIDES IN THE FAMILY PASSED THE HOME ONTO THEIR DAUGHTER, ELEANOR BASSETT, WHO MARRIED JUDGE EUGENE G BA NEWS, THEREFORE, SHE BECAME MRS. ELEANOR BASSETT NEWS.
THERE ARE MANY INTERESTING CHARACTERS IN THIS STORY.
I RECENTLY SAW THE MOVIE YOUNG WASHINGTON ON JULY 4TH, AND I THOUGHT ABOUT GEORGE WASHINGTON'S NEPHEW WHO FELL IN LOVE AND MARRIED MARTHA DANDRIDGE, WASHINGTON'S NIECE THAT UNIFIED THE WASHINGTON AND THE BASSETT FAMILIES AS ONE.
IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THIS MAY HAVE INFLUENCED THE AREA SURROUNDING THE MUSE HOUSE WITHIN FIVE BLOCKS.
THE STREET NAMES ARE JEFFERSON ADAMS, VAN BUREN, OBVIOUSLY HISTORICAL NAMES OF OUR PRESIDENTS.
TWO TIMES THROUGH THE YEARS I'VE LOOKED OUTSIDE MY FRONT WINDOW AND SEEN A REPORTER INTERVIEWING SOMEONE IN MY FRONT YARD.
OF COURSE, I'M CURIOUS AND I'VE INQUIRED, WHAT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT? WHAT'S HAPPENING? THE FIRST TIME I LEARNED ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF 10TH STREET WITH THE JFK ASSASSINATION, LEE HARVEY OSWALD WAS FOUND AT THE TEXAS THEATER, WHICH IS TWO BLOCKS AWAY AND THREE BLOCKS OVER.
ANOTHER FASCINATING THING I HEARD FROM A REPORTER WAS THAT HOWARD HUGHES, WHO FUNDED THE TEXAS THEATER, UH, HE OPENED AND FUNDED THE TEXAS THEATER.
HIS PARENTS WERE FRIENDS AND POSSIBLY DID BUSINESS DEALINGS WITH THE MUSE FAMILY.
FAST FORWARD TO TODAY, THIS QUEEN AND VICTORIAN HOUSE IS ONE BLOCK OVER FROM BISHOP.
SO BISHOP ART THE MAIN STREET.
A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO IN PROTESTING MY TAXES, A RECOMMENDATION WAS GIVEN TO ME FROM A BOARD MEMBER BASICALLY TELLING ME THAT IF I WANTED TO PRESERVE THE HOUSE, I COULD PICK IT UP AND MOVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE AND SELL THE LAND TO A DEVELOPER.
NO DOUBT A DEVELOPER WOULD LOVE TO TEAR IT DOWN AND BUILD A SMALL MULTI-FAMILY COMPLEX LIKE WHAT IS NOW NEXT DOOR TO ME AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME AND BEHIND ME, MANY OF YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEADS, I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO HELP ME PRESERVE THIS LOVELY HOME AND TO OFFER GUIDANCE ON HOW TO BEST RESTORE IT.
I'M HONORED TO BE THE CURRENT HOMEOWNER AND CUSTODIAN OF THIS HOUSE.
AND WE, WE APPLAUD YOU FOR WANTING TO PRESERVE YOUR HOUSE, FOR SEEING WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND IT AND UNDERSTANDING THAT IS A WAY.
AND AS YOU'VE HAD TIME TO OBSERVE US TODAY, YOU KNOW, WE LOVE TO OFFER ADVICE ON HOW TO DO YOUR HOUSE, SO WE'D BE HAPPY TO YES, THANK YOU.
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM OUR COMMISSION MEMBERS OR JUMP RIGHT TO A MOTION? WELL, UH, TO APPLAUD HER EFFORTS AND HER DESIRE, UM, IT'S ONE OF THE EARLIEST, IF NOT EARLIEST IAN HOUSES, I THINK IN
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THE, NOT ONLY JUST THE AREA OF IN DALLAS.UM, SO I'D LIKE, IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION FURTHER, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS.
SECOND, WAS THAT COMMISSIONER REEVES WHO SECONDED? YES.
ALRIGHT, IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, SHALL WE VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? THEY WOULDN'T DARE.
IT IS NOW INITIATED AS, AS A, AS A LANDMARK.
AND I'M SURE YOU'VE ALREADY HAD THE PROCESS EXPLAINED TO YOU, BUT IT WILL NOW GO TO THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE, WHICH IS A COMMITTEE, A STANDING COMMITTEE APPOINTED BY THIS BOARD, WHICH I AM ON, AND OUR USUAL VICE CHAIR ALSO SERVES ON THAT.
AND WE WILL ASK YOU TO JOIN US WHENEVER YOU CAN WHEN WE MEET ABOUT IT, WHICH USUALLY THE THIRD WEDNESDAY OF THE WEEK AS WE GO THROUGH AND DISCUSS WHAT THE HISTORICAL IMPORTANCE OF THE HOUSE IS AND WHAT, WHAT RULES WE'D WANT TO ATTACH TO, HOW TO MAINTAIN ITS ORIGINAL HISTORICAL APPEARANCE.
SO WE WILL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AT ONE OF THOSE LOVELY WEDNESDAY EVENING MEETINGS.
OKAY, NEXT UP IS ANOTHER INITIATION.
B 18 IS 4 16 18 MAIN STREET, WHICH WE ALL KNOW IS A BETTER OR NOT MEETING.
UH, THIS IS RAA
DISCUSSION ITEM D 18 CITED AT 1618 MAIN STREET.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A LANDMARK COMMISSION AUTHORIZED HEARING TO CONSIDER INITIATION OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR 1618 MAIN STREET, KNOWN AS NAME AND MARCUS BUILDING.
AND WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS REGISTERED ON THIS ONE, TOMMY MANN.
AND I KNOW I RECOGNIZE YOUR NAME AND EVEN YOUR FACE, BUT I HAVEN'T A CLUE WHY
OKAY, THEN THAT'S, THAT'S ME, NOT YOU.
NOT SO MUCH IN FRONT OF YOU AS SOME OF THE OTHER BODIES, BUT TOMMY MANN 500 WINSTEAD BUILDING.
I, I REPRESENT EXEMPLAR LUXURY GROUP, WHICH IS THE POST BANKRUPTCY SUCCESSOR TO SACHS GLOBAL AND NEIMAN MARCUS, THE OWNER OF THIS BUILDING.
UH, AND SO WE JUST, UH, AND WITH ME TODAY IS ANDREW WOODWORTH, WHO'S THE CHIEF GOOGLE OFFICER.
UH, WE WANT TO DO A COUPLE THINGS.
ONE, SHOW YOU THAT WE CARE ENOUGH TO BE HERE AND COME INTO NEW YORK.
UH, TWO, TO ASSURE YOU THAT NEVER AT ANY POINT HAD DEMOLISHED AND
UH, COULD HAVE DONE IT DURING BANKRUPTCY WITH PROTECTION OF FEDERAL LAW, AND DIDN'T EVEN CONSIDER IT.
UH, PRIOR TO THAT, YOU ALL MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE THAT WE HAD ACTUALLY FILED A TIFF APPLICATION WITH THE CITY, BEEN THROUGH A-U-D-P-R-P DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS, DONE EXTENSIVE WORK WITH OUR OWN HISTORICAL ARCHITECTS, AND RECEIVED GREAT COMMENTS FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, STALLED ON FINANCIAL TERMS. UH, AND SO HERE WE ARE POST BANKRUPTCY, AND I JUST WANT TO ITERATE THAT WE KNOW THIS PROCESS CAN BE LENGTHY.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO EXECUTE THE PROGRAM THAT WAS BEFORE U-D-P-R-P AND THE TIFF BOARD AND EVERYTHING PRIOR TO THAT BANKRUPTCY.
SO WE ARE GOING TO BE SEARCHING FOR A NEW PROGRAM, A NEW PARTNER, MAYBE A BUYER FOR THIS BUILDING.
UM, AND SO WE'RE IN THE AWKWARD POSITION OF NOT BEING ABLE TO TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO WANT THIS OVERLAY TO SAY.
BUT WE ARE HERE TO SAY THAT WE ALREADY HAVE EXTENSIVE PROFESSIONAL WORK DONE ON IT, AND WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE COOPERATION TO TRY AND JOINTLY GO OUT AND FIND THAT PARTNER AND GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND IF NEED BE ACCELERATED AT OUR EXPENSE WITH THE USE OF OUR EXPERTS IN TIME AND YOUR COOPERATION.
UM, BUT WE'RE NOT HERE TO PLAY YOU THIS BUILDING, THIS EXIST STORE OR ANYTHING
WELL, GOOD, BECAUSE YOU'D LOOK SILLY IF YOU TRIED TO SAY THAT.
UH, BUT IT'S THAT, IT'S A, IT'S A TOUGH SITUATION.
A LOT OF HEADWINDS IN DOWNTOWN.
TURNS OUT BRICK AND MORTAR RETAIL'S A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING IN 2026.
WE, WE DO UNDERSTAND THOSE AND WE THANK YOU FOR BEING FLEXIBLE.
AND, UM, AND GENERALLY OUR, OUR ORDINANCES ONLY ADDRESS THE MAINTENANCE OF THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING, NOT THE INTERIOR.
SO IF YOU DECIDED IT SHOULD, THE INTERIOR SHOULD BE A GIANT ROCK CLIMBING FACILITY, I DON'T SUPPOSE THAT WOULD REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH OUR ORDINANCE.
AND THERE, THERE'S SOME ADDITIONS TO THIS BUILDING THAT AREN'T REALLY HISTORIC.
THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT NEED TO CHANGE FOR THE LOADING TO FUNCTION FOR ANY COMMERCIAL USE STUFF THAT WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED.
BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT THE PURPOSE OF TODAY'S WEEK.
THE POINT IS, WE HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE, WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON IT.
WE SHARE THE SAME MESSAGE WITH SENIOR STAFF.
AS A, AND AS I I JUST EXPLAINED, WE HAVE A STANDING COMMITTEE THAT DOES THAT WORK, AND WE WOULD ALWAYS INVITE ANY, ANY REPRESENTATIVES, INCLUDING ANY, UM, BUDDY WHO'S ADVISING YOU ON HIS WORK PRESERVATION.
UM, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL.
IF THEY MUST COME AND BE ALL LEGALESE FOR US, MAYBE WE'LL FIND OUR OWN LAWYER, MATT OR SOMETHING
BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS COME JOIN US.
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THE, UM, THE PROSPECT FOR THE BUILDING TO PAY FOR ITSELF BECAUSE THE SAFEST HISTORIC BUILDING HAS A JOB AND IS MAKING MONEY FOR SOMEBODY BECAUSE THEN THEY WON'T KNOCK IT DOWN.SO WE WANTED TO SERVE SOMEBODY'S FINANCIAL NEEDS WHILE ALSO MAINTAINING ITS HISTORY AND ITS HISTORICAL APPEARANCE.
AND I MUST ALWAYS REMIND EVERYONE MY MY FAVORITE HISTORICAL IMPORTANCE ABOUT NEIMAN MARCUS WAS THAT DURING THE GREAT DEPRESSION, ONE OF THE REASONS DALLAS WASN'T HIT AS HARD IS THAT ALL THE OIL FIELDS SENT THEIR MONEY TO OUR BANKS AND SENT THEIR MONEY TO THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPLIED THEM WITH, WITH, UM, MACHINERY FOR THE OIL FIELDS.
AND ONCE THEY GOT RICH, THE OWNERS OF THE OIL FIELDS SENT THEIR MONEY TO NEIMAN MARCUS SO THAT THEY WOULD BE FASHIONABLE FOR THEIR NEW STATUS.
SO NEIMAN MARCUS CONTRIBUTED TO US SURVIVING THE GREAT DEPRESSION
THEY WERE STILL SHOPPING THERE.
UM, DOES MR. WOODWORK WISH TO SPEAK AS WELL OR HAS HE SIGNED UP WELL THEN? OH MY GOSH, YOU CAME FROM NEW YORK TO HERE.
HOW, HOW IS IT THAT I DID? I DID.
AND, YOU KNOW, UH, AND IT'S, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA ADD TOO MUCH TO WHAT, UM, COMMAND SAID I TAKE BEING A LAWYER EXTREMELY SERIOUSLY IN ALL ASPECTS OF IT.
AND I'VE LOVE BEING HERE TODAY TO SEE THE CIVIC PROCESS IN ACTION AND, UM, AND I RESPECT IT.
BUT, UH, THIS BUILDING IS A HISTORIC BUILDING.
WE HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF EXPERIENCE WITH HISTORIC BUILDINGS, SETS OF AVENUE, BUDGET STORE IN NEW YORK IS ALSO A HISTORIC BUILDING.
WE WANNA PRESERVE THE HISTORY THAT BECOMES JUST TRULY A PART OF THE, THE TAPESTRY OF THE CITY IN WHICH THOSE BUILDINGS ARE.
SO, UH, I THINK, UH, TOMMY HAS SAID A LOT ABOUT SORT OF HOW WE HOPE TO BE A PART OF THIS PROCESS.
UH, I JUST ALSO WANTED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IT, I DON'T TAKE IT LATER.
UM, AND I, AND I WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF THE PROCESS AND, AND BE A PART OF IT ALONG.
AND, AND ALSO THE CITY OF DALLAS IS, IS A, A GROUND OWNER.
SO WE ARE ALL ALIGNED IN MAKING SURE THAT, UH, THAT THIS IS HANDLED RESPECTFULLY AND APPROPRIATELY FOR THE CITY.
AND BY THE WAY, PARTICIPATING IN THE DESIGNATION MEETINGS DOES NOT REQUIRE YOU TO RETURN TO DALLAS UNLESS YOU'RE HUNGRY FOR MEXICAN FOOD AND BARBECUE.
WE ALSO HAVE ONLINE ACCESS, SO YOU CAN BE VIRTUAL, YOU CAN SEND EMAILS.
I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO SEE, SO THERE'S MANY REASONS TO COME.
NOW, COMMISSION MEMBERS, ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY OR ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? YES, I LIKE THAT, LIKE, MOTION.
UH, WE, WE TRADITIONALLY GIVE IT TO THE PERSON WHO PUT IT BEFORE US ORIGINALLY.
I, I MUST DEFEND COMMISSIONER HARPER'S RIGHT.
TO MAKE THE MOTION ON THIS ONE.
CAN I OKAY WITH IT? EITHER WAY.
WHAT DID YOU WANNA SAY FIRST, MR. ANDERSON? WHEN NEIMAN DECIDED THEY WERE LEAVING THE BUILDING ON ONLINE, IT WAS A, IT WAS A BARRAGE OF PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED.
THE BUILDING WOULD COME DOWN AND WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THE BUILDING, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO NEIMAN MARCUS? I THINK WE ALL REALIZE THAT THE BUILDING IS MORE THAN A BUILDING, IT'S AN INSTITUTION FOR DALLAS AND MM-HMM
WITH, WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS DESIGNATION COUPLED WITH NATIONAL REGISTER, SAY TAX CREDITS.
I CAN SEE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE NEMAN, MARCUS LOFTS.
I MEAN, I CAN SEE IT IN A HOTEL.
UH, THIS IS A GREAT THING BECAUSE THIS WILL SAVE THE BUILDING AND THE INCENTIVES ARE GREAT.
TEARING IT DOWNWARD, MAKE NO SENSE BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T BUILD SOMETHING BACK MORE VALUABLE THAN THE BUILDING ITSELF.
SO I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS.
SO THANK YOU FOR REMINDING US OF TAX CREDITS, THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, REDUCE YOUR COST BY HAVING THIS INITIATE, THIS DESIGNATION DONE.
NOW MR. HARPER, WHAT DO YOU THINK WE OUGHT TO DO? MADAM CHAIR? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, UM, A MOTION, IF YOU ALLOW ME, I WOULD LIKE TO READ OF SOME LANGUAGE FROM OUR ACTUAL CITY HISTORIC ORDINANCE.
UM, BEFORE I DO THAT, I, I THINK ALL TOO OFTEN, UH, LANDMARK DESIGNATION COMES UP AS A NEGATIVE THING AND, AND A, AN OBSTACLE TO PROPERTY RIGHTS AND KIND OF A LAST DITCH RESORT PRESENT PREVENT SOMETHING FROM HAPPENING.
AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REMIND MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND EVERYBODY IN ATTENDANCE, AND I THANK THE, THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THIS BUILDING THAT ARE HERE.
BUT I JUST WOULD LIKE TO READ THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE IN OUR ORDINANCE BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF THIS WOULD BENEFIT FROM BEING REMINDED BY THAT.
PARTICULARLY WHEN A QUESTION COMES UP ABOUT WHY DO WE WANNA LANDMARK A BUILDING.
SO BEAR WITH ME IN 17 SENTENCES.
ITEM ONE, TO PROTECT, ENHANCE AND PERPETUATE PLACES AND AREAS WHICH REPRESENT DISTINCTIVE AND IMPORTANT ELEMENTS OF THE CITY'S HISTORICAL, CULTURAL, SOCIAL, ECONOMIC, ARCHEOLOGICAL, PALEONTOLOGICAL, ETHNIC, POLITICAL, AND ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY.
NUMBER TWO, TO STRENGTHEN THE ECONOMY OF THE CITY.
NUMBER THREE, TO INCREASE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE AND APPRECIATION OF THE CITY'S
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HISTORIC PAST UNIQUE SENSE OF PLACE.FOUR, TO FOSTER, CIVIC AND NEIGHBORHOOD PRIDE AND A SENSE OF IDENTITY.
FIVE, TO PROMOTE THE ENJOYMENT AND USE OF HISTORICAL RESOURCES BY THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY.
SIX, TO PRESERVE DIVERSE ARCHITECTURAL STYLES, PATTERNS OF DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN.
PREFERENCES REFLECTING PHASES OF THE CITY'S HISTORY.
SEVEN, TO CREATE A MORE LIVABLE URBAN ENVIRONMENT.
TO PROVIDE FINANCIAL INCENTIVES.
NUMBER 10, TO PROTECT AND ENHANCE THE CITY'S ATTRACTION TO TOURISTS AND VISITORS.
TO RESOLVE CONFLICTS BETWEEN THE PRESERVATION AND THE HISTORIC RESOURCES AND ALTERNATIVE LAND USES 12.
TO INTEGRATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION INTO PUBLIC AND PRIVATE LAND USE PLANNING.
13 TO CONSERVE VALUABLE RESOURCES THROUGH USE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING ENVIRONMENT.
14, TO STABILIZE NEIGHBORHOODS.
TO INCREASE PUBLIC AWARENESS OF THE BENEFITS OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
TO MAINTAIN A HARMONY BETWEEN NEW AND HISTORIC STRUCTURES SO THAT IT WILL BE COMPATIBLE IN SCALE, FORM, COLOR, PROPORTION, TEXTURE, MATERIAL.
AND LASTLY, TO ENCOURAGE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IN IDENTIFYING AND PRESERVING HISTORIC RESOURCES.
THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION FOR ME THERE, JUST, JUST TO READ THAT AND BE REMINDED OF THESE THINGS.
'CAUSE I THINK WHEN A LOT, WHEN ANYBODY ASKS US WHY BUILDINGS SHOULD BE PRESERVED, THAT'S THE FIRST THING I THINK WE SHOULD ALL LOOK AT.
SO THIS UNDER THIS BASIS OF OUR, OUR, OUR ORDINANCE, UM, I WOULD THEN LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE, UH, CONSIDER AN INITIATION OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR THE NEIMAN MARCUS BUILDING.
FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER RENO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? THAT WOULD REALLY GET YOU THAT CROSSWISE.
YOU'RE FREE TO SAY WHAT YOU HAVE.
AND THUS THE BUILDING IS INITIATED.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THESE WONDERFUL REPRESENTATIVES OF OBVIOUSLY WONDERFUL CORPORATION.
AND I'M USUALLY VERY ANTI-CORPORATE, SO YOU KNOW, WHEN I SAY THAT IT MEANS SOMETHING.
AND I'M JUST SO HAPPY I WANNA GO HOME.
AND I HOPE YOU ENJOY YOUR STAY IN DALLAS.
OKAY, NOW WE GO TO THE ONES FOR WHOM? FOR WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE ANY SPEAKERS.
WHICH IS, REMIND ME OF THE ADDRESS, ALTHOUGH I DON'T, IT'S JU RIGHT HERE.
ARE WE READY? OH, I NOTICED, WHAT DO WE NEED TO WAIT FOR THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS TO COME THROUGH? COME BACK.
OH, TWO COMMISSIONERS HAVE SNUCK OUT.
WE STILL HAVE A QUORUM, RIGHT? DO WE? OH, SHE WAS ON, SHE EMAILED ME AND I, OKAY, WE HAVE A QUORUM.
DO WE HAVE OUR SPEAKER? UM, LET ME SEE.
SHE SAID SHE WAS ON AND YEAH, AND SHE HAD TO GET OFF AND I JUST REPLIED BACK TO HER.
SO I THOUGHT SHE HAD GOT BACK ON.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO, IF SHE'S, I DON'T KNOW WHERE SHE WAS.
NO, I, SHE HAD A CONFLICT, BUT THEN I THOUGHT SHE WAS GONNA GET BACK ON.
SO SHE HAD A CONFLICT IF SHE NEEDS TO GO SOMEPLACE BACK BEFORE SHE PROBABLY HAD TO, UH, NO, SHE SAID IT WAS BETWEEN TWO 30 AND THREE.
SO SHE WAS ON AND THEN SHE LOGGED OFF AND I THINK SHE GOT BACK ON, BUT NOW I DON'T SEE HER, SO I'M NOT CERTAIN.
I TOLD HER SHE WAS NEXT TO STAY ON
WELL IF SHE CAN'T LISTEN, I MEAN, OH, THERE SHE IS.
HER COMPUTER CAME THROUGH FOR HER.
TAYLOR PATTON, PLEASE HANG ON WHILE STAFF READS YOUR, UM, REQUEST INTO THE RECORD.
UH, CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 12 59 30 JUNIOR STREET JUNIORS HEIGHTS, HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL DISTRICT 14 COA 26 0 0 0 2 2 7.
REQUEST NUMBER ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE SUNROOM MOVERS WITH RED FRAME SCREENS.
REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL LANDSCAPING IN FRONT YARD.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE SUNROOM LUBER WITH GRID FRAMED SCREENS VIEWED DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT PER SEVEN PER SECTION 7.1 AND 7.2
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OF THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA, PORCHES AND BALCONIES ARE PROTECTED FACADES AND MAY NOT BE ENCLOSED.AND IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT EXISTING ENCLOSED PORCHES ON PROTECTED FACADES BE RESTORED TO THE HISTORIC APPEARANCE.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS THEREFORE NOT CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION SEVEN DOES NOT MEET CITY CODE SECTION 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL LANDSCAPING AND FRONT YARD BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE PROPOSED TREE IN SIDE FLOWER BED NOT BE A LARGE TREE THAT MIGHT OBSCURE SIGNIFICANT VIEWS OF THE PROTECTED FACADE WITH THE FINAL APPROVAL BY STAFF IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROPOSED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 3.5, MEET CITY SEC CITY CODE SECTION 4.501 G SIX CI FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTINGS.
AND I JUST WANNA NOTE THAT THE GRAVEL WAS OF DISCUSSION DURING TASK FORCE AND I BELIEVE APPLICANT WAS GOING TO GET BACK TO US IF SHE WANTED TO STAY ON THE PATH OF GRAVEL OR PUT GROUND COVER.
SO IT'S NOT IN HERE, BUT SHE MIGHT I GET THE, I'M SORRY.
I GET THE, SHE WANTED STAY ON THAT GROUND COVER.
WHAT? I SAID IT AFTERWARDS ONCE OFF, BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE IT AS PART OF THE WHOLE LANDSCAPING, PLEASE DO SO IN THE MOTION.
UM, NOW THAT WE HAVE HER TO SEE WHAT HER FINAL THOUGHT WAS, UM, AND THAT, THAT'S IT.
AND WE NEED THE TASK FORCE, UH, TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
NO QUORUM COMMENTS ONLY TASK FORCE SUPPORTS THE RENOVATION OF SUNROOM AND LANDSCAPING.
MISS, IS IT PUTIN?
SO I NEED YOU TO, TO START, MA'AM.
FIRST YOU HAVE TO GIVE US YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND PROMISE THAT YOU'RE GONNA TELL THE TRUTH.
I LIVE AT 59 30 JUNIOR STREET.
UH, AND I WILL BE TELLING THE TRUTH.
UM, I WILL ALSO SAY I JUST GOT A NOTIFICATION THAT I'M LOW ON COMPUTERS POWER, SO I'M GONNA SPEAK REALLY QUICKLY.
UM, YEAH, SO THE, UH, THE ITEMS FOR NOTE ARE THE, UH, LANDSCAPING THAT YOU JUST DISCUSSED.
I DIDN'T SEE THAT ON THE AGENDA, BUT I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK TO IT.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE DOING DECOMPOSED GRANITE IN THAT SPOT.
UM, NOTHING SEEMS TO GROW THERE.
UM, IT IS A WEED PATCH RIGHT NOW.
UM, I WOULD PLAN TO DO DECOMPOSED GRANITE.
UM, THERE ARE UTILITY LINES UNDERNEATH AS WELL.
UM, AND SO I AM LOOKING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE INTEGRITY OF THE UTILITIES LINES ARE NOT COMPROMISED BY TRYING TO GROW ANYTHING THERE.
UM, I WOULD PROBABLY DO PLANTER, I'M GONNA DO SOME PLANTERS ON TOP SO THAT IT IS ATTRACTIVE LOOKING.
UM, SO THAT'S ITEM NUMBER ONE THAT I CAN ADDRESS.
UM, ALSO TO ADDRESS THE SUNRUN SUN PORCH.
UM, SO THE EXISTING, UH, STRUCTURE HAS LOUVERS, UH, THAT ARE IN HORRIBLE SHAPE.
I'D LIKE TO REPLACE THEM, UH, WITH THE GRIDDED SCREEN UNDERNEATH.
UM, THERE IS CURRENTLY GRID AND SCREEN UNDERNEATH THOSE LOUVERS.
AND SO MY PROPOSAL IS REALLY TO, UM, IMPROVE THAT BY ADDING A GRID IN THE, IN KEEPING WITH STYLES THAT I HAVE SEEN ELSEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE ARE SOME LOVELY EXAMPLES.
UM, AT, UM, SEVEN 14 DUMA AND THEN ALSO JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM US, WE HAVE KIND OF A SISTER HOUSE, UH, ON THE CORNER THAT IS 59 0 2 JUNIUS, THAT IS SIMILARLY, UM, A KIND OF A TWO-ISH BRICK HOME WITH A VERY, VERY SIMILAR FOOTPRINT.
UM, AND THEY ALSO HAVE A SCREENED PORCH.
SO I'M LOOKING TO BE IN KEEPING WITH THE STYLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND TO MAKE THAT PORCH USABLE FOR ME AND MY FAMILY.
AND NOW WE WILL HAVE, UM, QUESTIONS.
AND REMEMBER SHE'S, SHE MIGHT LOSE POWER ON HER COMPUTER ANY SECOND.
I DID WANNA ASK IF WE COULD NOT APPROVE THE, THE, THE CRUSHED STONE FOR THAT AREA.
IS GROUND COVER AN OPTION OR, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T NEED APPROVAL TO JUST THROW SOME MULCH OUT THERE? OH, SHE, WE LOST HER ALREADY.
OH NO, SHE'S JUST, HER JUST HER SCREEN WENT OFF.
SHE'S NOT ANSWERING, BUT SHE'S ALSO NOT ANSWERING.
MAYBE SHE'S RUSHING TO, UH, PLUG IT IN.
SHE, SHE'S THERE, BUT SHE'S, I IS I THINK THAT, UM, ONE APPROACH YOU COULD TAKE IS IF YOU, IF IF YOU AGREE, YOU COULD GO AHEAD AND JUST DENY THE, THE CRUSHED STONE, STONE AND STAFF CAN WORK WITH HER ON GROUND COVER OR GRABS.
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OTHER THING LIKE THAT.DO WE THINK SHE'S MANAGING TO GET BACK ON? I, I'M NOT SURE.
UM, SHE'S LOOKS, I'M WONDERING IF SHE'S JUST, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO, SHE'S NOT EMAILED ME.
COMMISSIONER REEVES HAS HER HAND UP, BUT IF YOU'RE TRYING TO ASK MS. PEYTON A QUESTION THAT NO, I WAS A QUESTION OF STAFF.
UH, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THERE SCREENS WERE ALREADY BEHIND THIS HIDEOUS, UH, WHATEVER IT IS.
AND WE DID FIND DURING LUNCHTIME, A PHOTO FROM 2007 THAT DOES SHOW THERE ARE WHITE, WHITE SCREENS.
I I'LL, UH, LIKE TRELLIS WORK OR LATICE WORK THAT COULD BE SCREENED, COULD BE SCREENED.
UM, IT'S VERY UNCLEAR, BUT IT'S ALL WE COULD FIND FROM THAT FAR BACK.
WELL, MY QUESTION WAS SHE LEAVES THE LOUVERS UP, CAN'T SHE REPLACE WHATEVER'S BEHIND IT AND THEN TAKE THE LOUVERS DOWN? WELL, NOW THAT WE'VE SEEN THAT THE LOUVERS WERE NEVER APPROVED TO BEGIN WITH, THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
AND, UM, WELL, I THINK IN THE LONG RUN WE WANNA GET RID OF THE LOUVERS.
THEY ARE, AS YOU SAID, NOT PARTICULARLY A GREAT IDEA.
AND SHE DID EXPRESS THAT THEY WERE NOW DAMAGED AND THEY LOOKED DAMAGED, THEY LOOKED DENT AND YEAH.
SO CHRISTINA'S PUT UP A, UH, A PHOTO THAT WE FOUND DURING LUNCH.
UM, I CAN'T TELL IF THERE'S GLASS THERE OR IF IT'S JUST LIKE LATTICE WORK OR, UH, TRELLIS WORK, BUT, UM, AS, AS, AS YOUNG AS GENIUS IS, COULD THAT EVEN HAVE POSSIBLY BEEN THERE? PRE DISTRICT? JUNE WAS 2006.
WELL, IT COULD HAVE BEEN THAT WE DON'T, WE JUST DON'T HAVE A A AN EARLIER PHOTO.
AND SO THERE'S, IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE WHEN THIS DISTRICT WAS CREATED.
AND BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GRANDFATHER RULE, WHETHER IT'S ANYTHING, ONCE THEY REMOVE IT, IT'S GONE.
I'M JUST GIVING SOME THOUGHTS TO THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER.
WELL I I HAVE A, NOT AN ALTERNATIVE QUESTION, BUT FOR INSTANCE, IF THAT SCREEN WERE TO BE REPAIRED AND NOT REPLACED, THEN THAT WOULD, IF WE CAN PROVE THAT'S, THAT WOULD JUST BE STAFF APPROVAL.
LIKE IF SHE TOOK ONE OFF AND TOOK A PICTURE AND SHOWED US, THEN YES, THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION FOR HER.
IT'S NOT WHAT SHE'S PROPOSING.
SHE'S LIKE TO PUT IT ALL BLACK HER, HER, BUT SHE MIGHT BE WILLING TO, SHE UM, SHE MIGHT BE WILLING TO HAVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN THOSE LUS.
BUT HER PROPOSED GRID LOOKS LIKE A PRETTY NICE DESIGN TO GO INTO AN OPENING LIKE THIS.
AND ANYTHING WOULD BE BETTER THAN THE LOUVERS.
I MEAN, A BRICK WALL WOULD BE BETTER THAN A LOUVER
I MEAN, OF COURSE WE COULD GO THAT STAFF ONLY DENIED PER ORDINANCE.
WE HAVE ANOTHER SITUATION WHERE IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT THE PORCH CANNOT BE ENCLOSED ANYTHING UNLESS Y'ALL FIND THAT IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE AN, IF YOU WANNA MAKE AN EXCEPTION VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONES YOU JUST LOOKED AT, IT'S, EXCEPT IT'S A DIFFERENT CASE.
UM, I WOULD ALSO THOUGH ASK IF IT, IF YOU ARE LEANING THAT WAY, THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND PUTTING A, A A, A CONDITION ON THERE THAT THE SCREEN THE MORE TRANSPARENT THAN A DARK BLACK.
AND IT, IT APPEARS LIKE THERE'S, THEY'RE PROPOSING VERY SLIM MEMBERS.
SO LET'S SEE IF WE CAN'T PUT HER BACK.
OH TAYLOR, CAN YOU HEAR US NOW? YES, I CAN.
THANK YOU FOR TOLERATING MY TEXT FU I LOVE THE IDEAS.
UM, THERE IS EXISTING SCREEN THERE.
I WOULD BE HAPPY TO CHOOSE SCREEN THAT IS MUCH MORE TRANSPARENT IN NATURE.
I JUST WANNA ENJOY THE PORCH AND NOT HAVE BUGS, UM, FINE IN MY FACE.
UH, WE ARE KIND OF MOSQUITO CITY AS Y'ALL KNOW, AND IT IS A VERY HEAVILY TRAFFICKED CORNER RIGHT THERE AT GASTON INGENIOUS WITH THE SCHOOL RIGHT DOWN, OR EXCUSE ME, UM, GLASGOW INGENIOUS WITH THE SCHOOL RIGHT DOWN THERE.
SO, UM, I, I VERY MUCH WANT TO DO SCREENS, BUT I WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, GONNA BE HARMONIOUS WITH THE REST OF THE DISTRICT.
AND WE WANT YOU TO GET RID OF THOSE UGLY LOOPERS WHILE ANY OF US DOING WHAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT THE LOOPER
WELL, I'M GLAD YOU BOUGHT THE HOUSE ANYWAY.
SOMETIMES PEOPLE CAN'T LOOK PAST SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHEN THEY'RE CONSIDERING A PURCHASE.
NOW WHILE WE HAVE COMMISS COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU NEED TO FURTHER CLARIFICATION ON, UH, I HAD A QUESTION YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE HEARD.
UM, IF THE SUGGESTION OR THE CONDITION WAS MADE TO REPAIR THE SCREEN RATHER THAN TO REPLACE IT, WOULD THAT BE, UM, AMENABLE THAT I THAT IS AMENABLE? I THINK MY ASK AND MY RECOMMENDATION IS JUST AESTHETICALLY TO GO WITH SOMETHING THAT IS, UM, SLIGHTLY MORE VISUALLY APPEALING THAN JUST
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KIND OF A FLAT SCREEN.I MEAN, I THINK OF IT LIKE A WINDOW THAT HAS LIGHTS VERSUS JUST A SINGLE PANE WINDOW.
IT JUST ADDS A LITTLE BIT OF VISUAL INTEREST.
UM, AND THERE ARE SUCH BEAUTIFUL EXAMPLES ELSEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
LIKE I MENTIONED AT SEVEN 14 DEMA.
UM, AND IT PICKS UP THE STYLE THAT, THAT IS MIRRORED IN THE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE THAT ARE SIX OVER SIX, UH, LIGHTS.
SO, UM, WOULD LOVE TO, TO GO WITH THAT OPTION IF IT IS ACCEPTABLE.
THE, THE, THE REASON I WAS PROPOSING THAT WAS BECAUSE, UM, UNDER THE ORDINANCE NOTHING IS ALLOWED.
UM, SO AS A, AS A FALLBACK, I WAS IMAGINING A REPAIR WOULD, UM, UH, WOULD, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD NECESSARILY GET YOU A GRANDFATHER CLAUSE, BUT IT WOULD BE, UM, A WAY AROUND THE ORDINANCE.
I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M SAYING THAT OUT LOUD.
WE, OF COURSE ARE THE OTHER WAY AROUND THE ORDINANCE.
CAN'T BELIEVE I SAID THAT OUT LOUD.
THAT'S WHY I WAS ACTUALLY SUGGESTING GOING TO SCREEN JUST, JUST DO A NEW SCREEN AND NOT UNDERSTAND.
IF THAT, IF THAT IS MY OPTION, THEN THAT OF COURSE IS ACCEPTABLE TO ME.
IF, IF THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION.
SO DOES ANYONE HAVE A MOTION LOOKING FOR WHAT ANSWER BEST MEETS THE NEEDS OF THE APPLICANT AND DOES THE MOST GOOD OR LEAST HARM TO THE
ITEM NUMBER TWO, THAT, UM, WE APPROVE, UH, FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE REPLACEMENT MATERIAL FOR, UH, FOR THE GROUND BE EITHER A MULCH, UM, OR AN APPROVED, UM, GROUND COVER TO BE, UM, UH, ACCEPTED BY STAFF.
SECOND, I, WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER REEVES.
ANY COMMENT? UH, I DID WANNA ASK, IT LOOKED LIKE IN THE PICTURE THAT THE SCREEN THAT'S BACK THERE HAVE WHITE, THAT WAS MEMBERS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE SAME SCREEN AS WHAT SHIBA HAS.
IT DID NOT, RIGHT? IT'S NOT, NO, THE CURRENT SCREEN IS LIKE A VERY STANDARD BLACK, NO SCREEN SCREEN.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T MAKING HER GO WITH WHITE, WHICH REALLY DOESN'T.
ALRIGHT, IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, THEN ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
THE MOTION IS CARRIED AND GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR HOUSE.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE AND IT'S GONNA BE EVEN PRETTIER.
AND OUR LAST PAST DAY IS 16TH.
THE APPLICANT SAYS SHE'S ONLINE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF SHE HAS A CAMERA OR VIDEO ACCESS.
YEAH, WE DO NEED YOU TO BE ON, ON SCREEN.
AND I NEED YOU TO BEGIN BY GIVING ME YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
I KEEP SKIPPING THEM AND THEY'RE VERY ANNOYED WITH ME FOR THAT.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 35 0 3 MEYER STREET IN COUNCIL DISTRICT SEVEN IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT CASE NUMBER COA DASH 26 360.
THE REQUEST STORE AS FOLLOWS, FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE WINDOWS TOTAL 23 ON ALL FOUR ELEVATIONS AND TO RESTORE WINDOW FENESTRATION ON FRONT FACADE REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR HORIZONTAL ADDITION TO THE MAIN BUILDING STAFF.
RECOMMENDATIONS ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE WINDOWS TOTAL 23 ON ALL FOUR
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ELEVATIONS AND TO RESTORE WINDOW FENESTRATION ON FRONT FACADE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 7 17 20 26 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT WINDOWS ON ORIGINAL STRUCTURE NOT BEING CLOSED OR RESIZED THAT REPLACEMENT WINDOWS ON FRONT AND RIGHT CORNER SIDE ELEVATIONS BE ALL WOOD, NO CLADDING, AND THAT REMAINING WINDOWS BE ALUMINUM, NOT CLADDED WITH LIGHT CONFIGURATION OF ONE OVER ONE.IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 4.3 UNDER FACADES AND SECTIONS 5.1 AND 5.3 UNDER WINDOWS AND DOORS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
THE SECOND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR HORIZONTAL ADDITION TO THE MAIN BUILDING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 7 17 20 26 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT THE EXTERIOR SIDING BE ALL WOOD, HORIZONTAL LAB SIDING, MILLWORK PATTERN 1 1 7 MATCHING THE EXISTING THAT THE FOUNDATION BE PEER AND BEAM AND, AND AT THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE EXISTING FOUNDATION.
AND THAT THE CORNER SIDE ROOF LINE BE ALIGNED WITH THAT OF THE ORIGINAL MAIN BUILDING.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTIONS 9.1 THROUGH 9.7 UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS REQUIRING COMPATIBILITY AND MASSING MATERIALS, COLOR ROOF FORM, AND DETAILING THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN AT ONE FOR FUTURE OF STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
OKAY, TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE WINDOWS TOTAL 23 ON ALL FOUR ELEVATIONS IN A RESTORE WINDOW.
FENESTRATION ON THE FRONT FACADE BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND COMMENTS, UH, INCLUDE PHOTOS OF THE LARGE WINDOWS WITHIN THE DISTRICT SIMILAR TO THE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION.
ALSO TAKE CLOSEUP PICTURES OF ALL WINDOWS FOR REPLACEMENT NUMBER TWO.
DID THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR HORIZONTAL ADDITION TO THE MAIN BUILDING BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND COMMENTS? SEND A CATALOG PICTURE OF THE SIDING.
IT SHOULD BE NUMBER 117 TO MATCH THE EXISTING.
NOW, MS. MARTINEZ, PLEASE GIVE ME YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
UM, 3 5 0 5 MAY STREET AND I PROMISE TO SAY THE TRUTH.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING, ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT? UM, NO, I PROVIDED THE PICTURES, UM, THE CATALOG, UH, PICTURE FOR THE SIDING FOR THE REAR EXTENSION, ALSO FOR THE WINDOWS.
UM, I THINK I SENT EVERYTHING THAT WAS RE REQUESTED.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE.
THEN COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU, COMMISSIONERS, OR IF NO ONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS AND THEY KNOW WHAT THEY WANNA SAY, THEN WE NEED A MOTION.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR A MOTION TO MAKE? I HAVE A QUESTION.
WELL, I'M JUST KIND OF IN A BRAIN FOG AT THE END OF THE DAY AND I'M AN HOUR LATER.
AN HOUR LATER THAN ALL OF YOU.
IS THIS THE ONE THAT WAS ON, HAD BEEN ON, ON FIRE WITH CAUGHT FIRE? YES, THIS ONE DID INDEED HAVE A FIRE.
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IT'S ALL COMING BACK.I KNOW IT'S NOT EASY IN THE LATE AFTERNOON.
OF COURSE, WE'RE SITTING IN A FREEZING ROOM THAT REALLY HELPS KEEP YOU AWAY.
ANYONE HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR ISSUES ABOUT THE PROPOSED FINISHING AT THIS HOUSE? I THINK SHE'S VERY LOVELY TO BE TAKING ON THIS CHALLENGE.
I ALWAYS NICE TO HAVE A COMPLIMENT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE, UH, COMMISSIONER AZI MAKES WITH MOTION? OKAY, THEN GO AHEAD, MR. REGARDING FILE NUMBER 26 2 4 2 4 A, UM, SUBJECT 35 0 3 MY STREET.
UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SET THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO REPLACE THE TOTAL OF 23 WINDOWS ON ALL FOUR ELEVATIONS.
UM, AND THEN IT'D BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS WITH THE CONDITIONS SET FORTH BY THE STAFF.
AND ON NUMBER TWO, THE REAR HORIZONTAL ADDITION.
AND REGARDING THE REAL HORIZONTAL ADDITION TO THE MAIN BUILDING BE APPROVED.
AND ACCORDING TO OTHER DRAWINGS, INVESTIGATIONS DATED SEVEN 17.6 WITH THE CONDITIONS SET FORTH BY THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
AND OUR SECOND IS COMMISSIONER REEDS IS SECONDING.
YEAH, I JUST WANNA ASK, UH, COMMISSIONER ROSKI, IF YOU'D BE OPEN TO, UH, AN AMENDMENT.
WHAT WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE BRIEFING WAS TO ENSURE THAT THE GANGED WINDOWS AT A, AT A FOUR INCH, THREE, THREE AND A HALF, FOUR INCH FACIA BOARD TRIM BOARD IN BETWEEN THE WINDOWS.
AND DO YOU ALSO AGREE WITH THAT? YES.
COMMISSIONER WADES ALSO AGREE WITH THAT AMENDMENT? I APOLOGIZE.
DIDN'T HAVE A QUESTION OR THAT I WASN'T READY TO SUBMIT.
YOU WEREN'T PAYING QUESTION BEFORE.
UM, BUT, UM, THERE WAS A NUMBER OF OTHER WINDOWS THAT WERE SHOWN CLOSE TOGETHER, HOWEVER, THERE WAS STILL A GAP OF SIDING IN BETWEEN.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL WINDOWS THAT ARE PAIRED SHOULD BEGIN WITH A FOUR INCH.
IF, IF THAT ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION COULD BE OKAY.
SO NOT JUST THE FRONT, BUT THERE ARE SOME ON THE SIDE.
ALTHOUGH ANY PAIRED WINDOW SHOULD HAVE A STRIP.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR SHALL WE VOTE? ALL RIGHT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
THE, THE, THE MOTION HAS CARRIED.
SO, MRS. MARTINEZ, WE WISH YOU LUCK ON YOUR, UM, WORK ON YOUR HOUSE.
WE, I THINK WE STILL NEED TO VOTE ON OUR MINUTES.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY, UM, CHANGES THEY WANT MADE TO THE MINUTES? OKAY.
THEN DOES ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THEM AS THEY ARE SO MOVED? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE CONCLUDED ALL THE BUSINESS OF THE DAY AND SO IT IS NOW FOUR 13 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.