* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [BRIEFINGS] [00:00:02] ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. IT IS THURSDAY, AUGUST 6TH, 2026, AND IT IS 10:34 AM AND THIS IS THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION. CAN WE START OFF WITH THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SIMS, DISTRICT TWO. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. PRESENT, DISTRICT THREE. VICE CHAIR, HERBERT, DISTRICT FOUR. COMMISSIONER GILBERT SMITH. PRESENT DISTRICT FIVE. COMMISSIONER SERATO. PRESENT, DISTRICT SIX. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. PRESENT, DISTRICT SEVEN COMMISSIONER WILL REAGAN. DISTRICT EIGHT. COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN PRESENT? DISTRICT NINE. COMMISSIONER KOONS? HERE. DISTRICT 10. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. PRESENT? DISTRICT 11. COMMISSIONER COX. PRESENT DIS. DISTRICT 12. COMMISSIONER KAUFMAN. HERE. DISTRICT 13. COMMISSIONER HALL HERE. DISTRICT 14, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON? YES. AND PLACE 15 CHAIR RUBIN? I'M HERE. YOU HAVE QUORUM, SIR. ALRIGHT. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. JUST A BIT OF HOUSEKEEPING UP FRONT. UM, THIS IS THE BRIEFING PORTION OF THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, WHICH MEANS THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR STAFF TO BRIEF THE COMMISSION ON CASES AND FOR COMMISSIONERS TO ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF. UM, THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT I'M SURE MANY OF Y'ALL ARE HERE TO PROVIDE, WE'LL TAKE PLACE IN THE AFTERNOON. UM, AND THAT'S ALSO WHEN COMMISSIONERS ARE ABLE TO OPINE ON CASES. WE'RE NOT OPINING ON CASES THIS MORNING. WE'RE JUST ASKING QUESTIONS OF STAFF. UM, ONE THING TO NOTE FOR OUR ORDER OF BUSINESS TODAY IN THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS AFTERNOON IS THAT THE PRESTON ROYAL CASE IS AT THE END OF OUR ZONING AGENDA. I BELIEVE IT'S ITEM NUMBER 14. THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 20 SOME ODD ITEMS AFTER THAT, BUT THEY ARE RELATIVELY SHORT AND UNCONTROVERSIAL, SO WE WILL ALLOW THOSE ITEMS TO PROCEED. I, I EXPECT IT'LL TAKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 20 MINUTES, UM, BARRING SOMETHING UNUSUAL. SO THOSE PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE END OF THE PRESS AND ROYAL ZONING CASE. AND I'VE SPOKEN WITH BOTH THE APPLICANT AND, UM, A LEADER OF THE PRESERVED PRESTON HOLLOW GROUP AND CONFIRMED THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE. SO IT SHOULDN'T CAUSE SIGNIFICANT DELAY AT ALL. AND WITH THAT, WE WILL HOP IN, UM, TO OUR BRIEFING. UM, WE HAVE A ZONING CONSENT DOCKET, UM, CONSISTING OF ITEMS, UM, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR. AND ITEMS CAN BE PULLED OFF OF CONSENT FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. IN FACT, ITEMS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR DO NEED TO BE PULLED OFF BECAUSE, UM, MEMBERS OF THIS BODY HAVE CONFLICTS ON THOSE, SO THERE WILL NOT BE A ZONING CONSENT AGENDA TODAY. UM, WITH THAT, WE WILL GO INTO OUR BRIEFING AND DETERMINE WHETHER ANY OF THESE ITEMS NEED TO BE BRIEFED. UM, ITEM NUMBER ONE, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, I THINK YOUR MICROPHONE'S OFF, SO I DON'T NEED IT TO BE BRIEF, BUT I HAVE A PROCEDURAL QUESTION. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LAST MINUTE CHANGE. UM, I'M SORRY, DID YOU SAY WE, THIS IS ON THE CONSENT. IS THIS THE ONLY THING ON CONSENT? THERE IS NO CONSENT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NEVERMIND. THANKS. DID YOU WANT TO, MS. LEVY, JUST EXPLAIN THE, THE CHANGE AND WHEN IT CAME IN AND WHY? MY APOLOGIES. UM, DID YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT THE CHANGE WAS? OH, I'M GOOD. OH, OKAY. THANKS. THANKS SO MUCH. DO WE NEED TO BRIEF THAT CHANGE IN ORDER FOR IT TO, OKAY. OKAY, WE'RE GOOD THEN WE WILL MOVE ON. AND I HAVE, UM, CONFLICTS ON ITEMS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR, ODDLY ENOUGH. UM, DOES ANYONE NEED THOSE BRIEFED OR HAVE QUESTIONS? I CAN STEP OUT AND TURN IT OVER TO THE VICE CHAIR IF NEEDED. NOT FOR MINE. OKAY. WHAT ABOUT ITEM NUMBER TWO? COMMISSIONER WHEELER REAGAN, IS IT, IS WE JOINING US LATER? AND COMMISSIONER KUNTZ, ITEM NUMBER NINE, DO YOU NEED ANY OF THOSE BRIEFED? NO. THANK YOU CHAIR. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE HAVE BRIEFING OR QUESTION, NEED BRIEFING OR QUESTIONS? ITEM TWO, THREE OR FOUR? OKAY. WE WILL MOVE ALONG. OKAY, I WILL TRY AND SPEAK UP, SIR. THANK YOU. UH, ALRIGHT. ITEM NUMBER FIVE. UH, COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN. THAT ONE'S UNDER ADVISEMENT. DO WE NEED THAT ONE BRIEFED OR DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UH, NO. THIS WILL BE PUSHED. [00:05:01] OKAY. DO YOU HAVE A DATE THAT IT'LL BE HELD TO? UH, SOMETIME IT'S SEPTEMBER, BUT I'LL GET BACK WITH YOU ON THE EXACT DATE. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER SIX, BACK TO YOU. COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, ANY BRIEFING OR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF NEEDED THERE? UH, YES. I WOULD LIKE NUMBER SIX, BRIEFED. OKAY, MR. AGUILERA? UH, LET, LET ME SHARE THE PRESENTATION. OKAY. EVERYBODY CAN SEE THE SCREEN. OKAY. UM, ITEM, UH, NUMBER SIX IS AN APPLICATION, UH, FOR AMENDMENT, UH, TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 2 41 WITH A CONSIDERATION FOR CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT ON A PROPERTIES ON PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER, UH, 2 41, LOCATED ON THE SOUTH, UH, EAST CORNER OF, UH, MAKER ROAD AND CF, UH, H UH, FREEWAY, AKA, UH, 1 0 6 0 0 CF, UH, HUNK. SO, OKAY, SO IT'S APPROXIMATELY 8.513 ACRES. UM, THE STAR MARKS, UH, THE LOCATION RELATIVELY TO THE CITY LIMITS. AND THEN, UH, HERE IS THE AERIAL MAP. IF YOU CAN SEE, THE AERIAL MAP AGAIN IS SURROUNDED BY TWO MAJOR, UM, UH, EXPRESSWAYS, UH, WHICH IS, UH, 1 75. AND THEN, UH, 20. THERE'S, UH, IF YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S ONE EXIT RAMP, BUT THERE IS NO, UH, ENTRANCE BACK. UH, YOU'LL HAVE TO GO AROUND OR THEN YOU'LL HAVE TO COME BACK OR TURN AROUND AND THEN GO BACK TO TRY TO, UH, UH, ENTER THE, THE EXPRESSWAY AGAIN. SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE, UM, UM, ISOLATED FROM IT. UH, HERE IS THE SURROUNDING, UH, USES. THERE'S SOME AUTO SALES OUT, SALVAGE OUT PARTS, BARS, CATERING SERVICE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND, UH, VACANT LOTS, UH, LOCATED ON THE, UH, UM, ON THE EAST, UH, UH, SIDE. THEN ON THE WEST, THERE'S THE CHURCH SINGLE FAMILY, WHICH ACTUALLY OWNS THE, CURRENTLY OWNS THE PROPERTY. AND THEN, UH, TO THE NORTH, THERE'S ACTUALLY THE, THE CITY OF, UH, BLANCHE SPRINGS. AND THEN ON THE SOUTH YOU HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY. HOWEVER, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AERIAL, THERE'S SOME BUFFERS ON WITH, UH, SOME, UH, UH, DRAINAGE AND, UH, BOULEVARD, UM, AXIS. AND THEN, UH, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, THE HISTORY. UH, THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN VACANT, UH, I BELIEVE SINCE 1965. THERE HAS NOT BEEN NOTHING THERE. I WAS TALKING TO, UM, AN APPLICANT ON THE PHONE, AND I LEARNED THAT, THAT, UH, IT USED TO BE A SCHOOL, UH, PRIOR TO THE, UH, OR THERE WAS A SCHOOL AT THIS PARTICULAR SIZE, UH, PRIOR TO THE, UH, UH, TO THE CITY, UH, ANNEXING THE, THE AREA. AND THEN, UH, ONCE THE CITY TOOK OVER THE PROPERTY, ACCORDING TO THE CITIZEN, THE SCHOOL WAS DEMOLISHED SINCE THE, THE CITY OF DALLAS OFFER, UH, A DIFFERENT SCHOOL. SO THIS APPLICANT IS, UH, PROPOSING, UH, UH, A SCHOOL THAT WILL SERVE APPROXIMATELY, UH, 80 STUDENTS WITH 20 EMPLOYEES ON A CAMPUS DURING A TYPICAL ACADEMY TERM. THE CLA THE CLASSES WILL BE OFFERED DURING TWO DAILY SESSIONS. THE FIRST SESSION WILL BE 7:00 AM TO 3:00 PM AND THEN THE AFTERNOON SESSION WILL BE, UH, FOUR TO, UH, 10:00 PM UH, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. UM, HERE IS THE, [00:10:02] THE SITE VISIT AGAIN, THE PROPERTY'S CURRENTLY VACANT. I'M DOING A 360 ON 1 75, AND THEN I'M NOW MOVING TO HIGH MARKET. THERE'S THE, THE VACANT AREA. THERE'S SOME RESIDENCY HERE, AND THEN THERE'S LIKE, UH, THAT, UH, BAR, UH, THAT I PRESENTED ON, ON THE SURROUNDING AREAS, UH, EARLIER ON THE PRESENTATION. SO NOW I'M ON, UH, CARTE STREET. IF YOU CAN SEE THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE AERIAL, IT'S, UH, AN AREA KIND OF LOOKS MORE LIKE AN ALLEY, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A STREET. SO I CONTINUE, UH, WALKING AROUND. I'M STILL ON, ON CORTE. AND, UH, THIS IS THAT, UH, EASTMAN THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT KIND OF SERVES LIKE A BUFFER, UH, AREA TO THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. AND THEN, UH, I'M ON RILEY. AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, UH, VEGETATION THERE THAT APPEAR TO SERVE TOO AS, UM, AS A BUFFER AREA. UH, THE COMMUNITY MIXED USE, UM, IT'S, IS ACTUALLY, UM, UH, COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. AT THE BEGINNING, THEY WERE PROPOSING A CS, BUT NOW THEY'RE PROPOSING A, A PD, UH, TO ALLOW EVERYTHING THAT WAS ON THE PD, INCLUDING THE, THE WAREHOUSE, UH, PLUS THE, THE, UM, THE WELDING SCHOOL AND, UH, WELDING USES. AND, UH, THIS IS THE ANALYSIS AGAIN. IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD MEET THE, THE STUFF. APOLOGIZE ON, ON HERE THAT THE, THE PD AMENDMENT, UM, I DID NOT INCLUDE IT, BUT IT'S INCLUDED ON, ON THE REPORT THAT YOU CAN SEE THE CONDITIONS. AND THEN, UH, HERE IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN. UH, THIS WILL WILL BE APPLICABLE IF THE PD AMENDMENT IS APPROVED. AND THEN, UH, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, AT THE DEVELOPMENT CONCEPTUAL PLAN, THEY'RE PROPOSING TWO STAGES. THE FIRST STAGE, WHICH, UH, IS, UH, VERY CLOSE TO, UM, THE EXPRESSWAY 1, 1 75, LIKE HALF THE PROPERTY THAT'S PROPOSED TO BE THE SCHOOL. AND THEN WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE, OF THE CONCEPTUAL, UH, MAP, THAT'S ONLY GOING TO BE, UH, BACON AT THIS TIME. THE APPLICANT ADVISED THAT THEY DON'T HAVE, UH, UH, UH, DEFINITELY AT, AT, AT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO FOR, FOR THAT, UH, PHASE. AND THE APPLICANT SHOULD BE HERE, UH, FOR THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING. AND THEN, UH, HERE IS THE CONCEPTUAL, UH, THE APPLICANT PROVIDED SOME, UH, RENDERINGS OF HOW THE, THE SCHOOL WILL LOOK. SO, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS, UH, ONE STORY, UH, BUILDING. UH, THIS IS LIKE THE FRONTAGE OF THE RENDERING. AND, UH, STAFF, UH, IS, UH, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, UH, FOR EITHER THE PD AMENDMENT OR IF YOU CONSIDER THE C CS IS STILL, UM, COMPATIBLE WITH THE LAND USES SURROUNDING THE, THE PROPERTY. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. AGUILERA. UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, DO YOU HAVE ANY? UH, YES, MR. CHAIR? UH, MR. AGUILARA, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN? UH, I JUST WANTED TO GET CONFIRMATION. YES, SIR. UH, SO THIS IS ALL A PART OF, UH, PD 2 41. UH, YOU'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT, UH, THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION WAS TO TO BE CS ZONING, AND WE'VE GONE BACK TO, UH, THE PD, BUT BASED ON THE CURRENT LANGUAGE OF THE PD, I JUST WANNA CONFIRM THAT PHASE TWO, BEFORE ANYTHING IS DONE FOR PHASE TWO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THE COMMISSION IN ORDER TO CHANGE THE CONCEPT CONCEPTUAL PLAN. THAT THAT IS, THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, CORRECT. UH, CAN WE GO TO THE, THE PD CHANGES? UH, YES. OKAY. GIMME A MINUTE. UH, [00:15:52] I'M HAVING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES. UH, BEAR, BEAR WITH ME A MINUTE. MY APOLOGIES. TRYING TO SHARE THE, YEAH, YEAH, I'M, UH, UH, THESE ARE THE, THIS IS THE, UH, PROPOSAL CONDITIONS FOR ARTICLE, UH, UH, 10 EVERYTHING, UH, STAYS, UH, THE SAME WITH THE INTERPRETATION DEFINITIONS. THEN WE GO TO THE CONCEPT CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND, UH, EXHIBITS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS REMOVED AND THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND THEN THE PERMITTED, UH, USES EVERYTHING STAYS THE SAME. AND THEN, UH, IT WAS ADDED, UH, TECHNICAL SCHOOL AS DEFINED BY, UH, SECTION 51, A 4.202 12, INCLUDING THE USE OF MACHINERY OF WELDING CHOP WHEN, UH, WHEN AS A COMPONENT OF A TECHNICAL SCHOOL, CHURCH USES AND ALL AGRICULTURAL USES. AND THEN THE MINIMUM AREA, UH, CHANGE FROM, UH, 180 1 0 0 6, WHICH WAS THE SQUARE FEET TO, UM, TO NO MORE THAN 53, UH, THOUSAND 560 SQUARE FEET MAY BE CONSTRUCTED, UH, PHASE ONE, AND NO MORE THAN, AND NO MORE THAN, UH, 18,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE USE ARE PERMITTED ON, UH, ON THE PROPERTY FOR THE OTHER, UH, PHASE. THEN, UH, THE MAXIMUM LAB COVERAGE, UH, IT CHANGED FROM, FROM 40 TO 80%, AND THEN THE MAXIMUM, UH, HEIGHT, UM, STAYS, UH, UH, UH, IT WOULD CHANGE TO 40 FEET FROM 24. THE FRONT YARD, UH, WAS REDUCED TO 25 FEET, UH, FROM 40. AND THEN, AND THEN, UH, UM, B WAS, UH, UH, TAKEN OUT, WHICH, UH, TALKS ABOUT THE, THE MINIMUM SETBACKS, UH, JUST TO THE FIRST, UH, TO SECTION EIGHT FOR, FOR THAT, UH, PHASE. AND THEN, UH, THE OFF STREET PARKING REMAINS THE SAME. OFF STREET LOADING REMAINS THE SAME. THE ACCESS, UH, REMAINS THE SAME IN REFERENCE TO THE TRUCKS. AND THEN THE SIGN, UH, IT WAS, UH, UH, WE STUFF STRUCK OUT THAT THE NON-PREMISE SIGNS ARE PERMITTED BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT ALLOW NOW PER CODE. AND THEN THE, THE SCREENING, UH, WAS REMOVED TO AS WELL. YEAH. UH, BE BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, UH, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY THE SCREENING WAS REMOVED? WHAT WAS THE RATIONALE? [00:20:01] SO, SO THE APPLICANT REQUESTED FOR THE SCHOOL TO NOT BE, UH, SCREENED ON THE FRONT, UM, ON THE FRONT, UH, AREA. AND, UH, AGAIN, GOING TO, TO THE AERIAL, UH, YOU SEE THAT, THAT IS FRONT, THE, THE EXPRESSWAY, IT'S KIND OF THERE, THERE'S A ACTUALLY ELEVATED, SO, UM, STAFF, UH, FEELS THAT, THAT THAT SHOULD BE OKAY. AND THEN IF, IF, UH, YOU FOLLOW THE SITE VISIT, UH, EVERYTHING IS, IS FAR AWAY AND THERE'S A BUFFER AREA FROM ON THE SOUTH FROM THAT UTILITY AND THAT VEGETATION. AND, UH, THERE'S ALSO, UH, UH, ON THE WEST SIDE, THERE'S THAT, UH, INDUSTRIAL AREA THAT HAS THE BAR, AND IT DOES HAVE SOME, SOME, UH, HOUSING. BUT, UH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHERE THE SCHOOL WILL BE. AND, UH, STAFF FEELS THAT THAT WILL NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT IS IN, IN THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION. CAN I, CAN I ADD ONE MORE, ONE MORE THING. IF WE HAVE, CERTAINLY IF WE HAVE SPECIFIED SCREENING IN THE PD, WHICH IT WAS PROBABLY SPECIFIED BECAUSE IT WASN'T, UH, THERE WASN'T A SYSTEM IN THE OLDER CODE FOR, YOU KNOW, SYSTEMATIZED SCREENING. IF WE REMOVE IT, WE'RE DEFAULTING BACK TO OUR BASE YARD LOT AND SPACE SCREENING. SO OUR BASE CODE HAS SCREENING WHEN GENERALLY NON-COMMERCIAL OR NON-RESIDENTIAL USES ARE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS. SO WHEN WE REMOVE THIS, WE'LL DEFAULT BACK TO THE MAIN, UH, SCREENING, WHICH WE WILL GOVERN IN THAT CASE OVER THIS ONE IN, IN ADDITION TO WHAT HE SAID. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. MR. PAPIER. UH, YOU WANT ME TO CONTINUE? UH, GIVE ME ONE SEC. UM, I MAY NOT HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS REGARDING, LET'S SEE IF ANYONE ELSE HAS QUESTIONS AND WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU. COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN. ANYONE ELSE QUESTIONS ON ITEM NUMBER SIX? OH, TAKE YOUR TIME IF YOU NEED. UH, I, I HAVE IT NOW. UH, UH, CAN YOU CONFIRM I I DID NOT SEE ANY AREAS FOR, FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN. UH, DID THE APPLICANT, UH, INDICATE WHETHER OR NOT THERE WILL BE OUTSIDE STORAGE? SO, UM, SO THE, THE, UH, I CAN GET THAT ANSWER BACK TO YOU. I HAVE TO GO IN AND LOOK AT THE CONDITIONS. UH, AGAIN, MY, MY APOLOGIES FOR THAT. I'VE, I'VE GOT IT IN IN FRONT OF ME. WHAT I WILL SAY REAL QUICK IS, YOU KNOW, OUTDOOR STORAGE IS A DEFINED USE IN, IN OUR CODE, AND SINCE IT'S NOT PERMITTED IN THE PERMITTED USES, IT'S NOT GONNA COME WITH THIS USE. SO THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO DO OUTDOOR STORAGE. WAREHOUSE IS ALREADY BUILT INTO THEIR PD. UM, SO THEY, IF THEY WANTED TO STORE STUFF, THEY'D PROBABLY DO A INDOOR STORAGE AREA, BUT OUTSIDE STORAGE IS EXCLUDED FROM THE PD. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD MR. AGUILAR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. ANYONE ELSE QUESTIONS IN THIS ITEM? OKAY, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, BACK TO YOU, COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN BRIEFING QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO QUESTIONS. WE CAN, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE BRIEFED. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU. OKAY, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, VICE CHAIR HERBERT? YES, WE NEED A BRIEF. OKAY, GOOD. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS ONE. GOOD MORNING. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS KZ 26 DASH 4 0 7 3. [00:25:01] THE REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PD 94 WITH CONSIDERATION FOR A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT OR RRR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT ON PROPERTIES ZONE PD 94 ON THE NORTH LINE OF WEST CAM WISDOM ROAD BETWEEN SOUTH COWELL HILL AND AMERICAN WAY. THE PURPOSE OF THE QUIZ IS TO ALLOW VEHICLE DISPLAY CELLS AND SERVICE USE VEHICLE OR ENGINE REPAIR OR MAINTENANCE USE WAREHOUSE, USE OFFICE SHOWROOM, WAREHOUSE USE, AND OTHER CS USES. SO THE AREA OF REQUEST IS WITHIN DISTRICT THREE. THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE AREA OF REQUEST HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE. THE AREA REQUEST IS UP WITH A 31,627 SQUARE FOOT. UH, ONE STORY BUILDING. UM, IN AUGUST OF 1977, CITY COUNCILS APPROVED PD 94 FOR AUTOMOBILE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE USES ON FERRY 1996. CITY COUNCILS APPROVED AN AMENDMENT TO PD 94 JULY PLAN AND CONDITIONS TO PERMIT FURNITURE AND WAREHOUSED USED ON PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY ON 1999. CITY CPC APPROVED A MINOR AMENDMENT TO LAND PLAN TO CLARIFY AND ACCURATELY REFLECT THE USES PERMITTED IN PORTIONS OF PHASE ONE OF THE PD TO ALLOW FOR CURRENT AND FUTURE USES RELATED TO THE VEHICLE SALES AND SERVICE, UH, VEHICLE ORIGIN REPAIR OR MAINTAINANCE, WAREHOUSE OFFICE, SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE, AND OTHER CS USES THE APPLICANT REQUESTED CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT. UM, HOWEVER, UM, LAST BACK IN JUNE 25, CPC HELD THE CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT, UM, TO THIS MEETING AND INSTRUCTED STAFF TO RE ADVERTISE THEIR REQUEST. UM, SO THE APPLICANT IS NOW PROPOSING TO AMEND PD 94 TO ALLOW MODIFIED DYLAN STANDARDS, PRIMARILY RELATED TO PERMITTED USES, SETBACKS AND FLOOR AREA RATIO TO ALLOW VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES IN SERVICE USE VEHICLE OR ENGINE REPAIR OR MAINTENANCE USE. THE APPLICANT IS NOT ASKING TO ALLOW WAREHOUSE AND OFFICE SHOWROOM, UM, WAREHOUSE USE ANYMORE. SO THIS IS A ZONING LAND USE MAP OF THE AREAS AROUND THE SITE. SO THERE'S MF TWO, UH, TOWARDS THE NORTH, UH, SINGLE FAMILY TOWARDS THE NORTH AS WELL. AND THEN ADJACENT TO THE, UH, WEST AND EAST, THERE'S RETAIL, UH, MEDICAL CLINIC. AND THEN ON THE SOUTH, UM, THERE'S THE MU, UM, AND RR DISTRICTS. SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS OF THE SITE. AND THEN THESE ARE SOME OF THE PHOTOS OF THE SURROUNDING SITES. AND THESE ARE THE, UH, SOME OF THE DYLAN STANDARDS OF THE EXISTING PD 94, UM, STANDARDS AND THEN THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT THEY ARE, UM, MODIFYING. SO FOR THE FRIEND SETBACK, THERE ARE NOW PROPOSING 15 FOOT, UH, WITH THE 20 FOOT, UH, URBAN FORM FOR THE FRONT. UM, AND THEN 20 FOOT ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL, OTHER NONE FOR THE SIDE AND REAR. AND THEN FOR THE FAR 0.5, FOR OFFICE 1.5, OVERALL HEIGHT, 45 FEET, 80% FOR THAT COVERAGE, UH, WHICH ARE THE BAYS, UM, WHICH IS THE BAYS ZONE FOR THE RR DISTRICT. AND THEN THROUGH THE, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO DEVELOPMENT, THE EXISTING GEN PLAN WILL BE REMOVED, AND THEN IT IS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY MIXED USE, UH, DISTRICT, UH, THROUGH THE FOUR DALLAS 2.0. AND THEN, UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT IN LIEU OF THE AMENDMENT OF PD, UH, 94. UM, HOWEVER, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME AMENDMENTS, UH, FROM THE, WHEN THE PUB, THE DOCKET WAS PLEDGED TILL TO TODAY. UM, AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO, UM, ADD SOME OF THE CONDITIONS UNDER SCREENING SECTION, UH, THE LIGHT SECTION, AND THEN ADD A SECTION FOR THE INGRES AND EGRESS, WHICH, UH, MOST OF THESE CONDITIONS WERE ORIGINALLY WITHIN THE ACTUAL, UH, EXISTING PD 94. MR. VICE CHAIR HERBERT? YES. THANK YOU. UM, YOU SAID YOU DISTRIBUTED THE P THE, UM, INFORMATION OUT TO THE YES, I DID. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, YOU ARE AWARE THAT ME AND, UH, THE APPLICANT HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS TO GET HERE, UM, AND AMENDED THEM, UM, AS LATE AS YESTERDAY. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE IN GUIDING US THROUGH THOSE CONVERSATIONS. UM, HAVE YOU HEARD ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY OR ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS ON THIS SITE? SO I HAVE HEARD A FEW. UH, THERE WAS BELIEVE ONE, UM, BELIEVE IT WAS FROM THE MULTIFAMILY [00:30:01] OR SINGLE FAMILY, UM, THAT DID, UH, GET A CALL. NOT, DON'T RECALL IF THERE SHE WAS REALLY HIGHLY OPPOSED TO, TO THE ACTUAL, UH, REQUEST OR JUST IN GENERAL. UM, UM, AND THEN I DID GET OTHER CALLS, BUT IT WAS MORE QUESTIONS OF WHAT THE CASE IS FOR AND IF THEIR PROPERTY WAS GONNA BE WITHIN, UH, THE AREA OF REQUEST, WHICH I TOLD THEM NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND, UM, LAST QUESTION. YOU ARE AWARE THAT REGARDING THAT MULTIFAMILY PROPERTY, THAT WE TRIED TO ADDRESS THE LIGHTING ON THE BACKSIDE SO THE LIGHTING WOULDN'T FACE THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE ONE, MS. GARZA. I WAS LOOKING AT THE, UM, AMENDED PD CONDITIONS ON THE INGRESS AND EGRESS, AND I SAW THAT IT SAYS NO NEW MEDIAN OPENINGS ARE ALLOWED ON CAMP WISDOM ROAD. UH, IN MY RECOLLECTION, WE FREQUENTLY RECOGNIZE, YOU KNOW, RESTRICT CURB CUTS, BUT IS MEDIAN OPENINGS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REGULATE THROUGH ZONING? IS THAT NOT A CITY DECISION OF WHETHER, WHETHER OR NOT TO ADD A NEW MEDIAN OPENING? SO THAT IS AN EXISTING CONDITION THAT IS WITHIN THE PD, UH, BUT I, UM, AM CONFIRMING WITH OUR ENGINEER, CITY ENGINEER TO, TO CONFIRM. OKAY. I, I UNDERSTAND WANTING TO MM-HMM . RESTRICT THE APPLICANT FROM ADDING ADDITIONAL CURB CUTS OR INGRESS OR, AND EGRESS. I'M JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT INAPPROPRIATELY TYING THE, THE CITY'S HANDS HERE. YES. SO IF WE CAN GET TRANSPORTATION, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. YES, WILL DO. THANKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT? OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER NINE. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU WANT THIS ONE BRIEFED? I DON'T NEED IT BRIEFED, BUT IT IS THE FIRST OF THIS TYPE OF SIGN WE'VE SEEN IN THE CITY. I THINK SO IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS IT BRIEFED, I I HAVE AN OBJECTION. WHY DON'T WE HAVE THIS ONE BRIEF? OKAY. ITEM NUMBER NINE IS KZ 26, UH, 3 0 115. THE REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION TO CREATE A NEW SUBDISTRICT WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN SPECIAL PROVISION SIGNED DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB AREA, ONE OF SUBDISTRICT 1 55 WITHIN PD 1 93 WITH A DOWNTIME PREMIER SUBDISTRICT SPSD OVERLAY. THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW FOR A NEW DIGITAL DISPLAY SIGN. THE AREA OF REQUEST IS WITHIN COUNCIL DISTRICT 14. THIS IS, UH, THE AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE AREA REQUEST, UH, HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE, AS I MENTIONED, IT IS WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN SPECIAL PROVISION SIGN DISTRICT. THE SITE IS CURRENTLY UNDER, UH, CONSTRUCTION WITH AN OFFICE TOWER, WHICH IS THE BANK OF AMERICA TOWER PARKSIDE, AND IT'S WITHIN THE, UH, DOWNTOWN SPECIAL PROVISION SIGN DISTRICT. THE DOWNTOWN SIGN DISTRICT WAS ESTABLISHED BACK IN 1989, UM, IS AN OVERLAY ZONING AREA THAT REGULATES SIGNS, SIZES, BRIGHTNESS, PLACEMENTS, AND TYPE. THIS DISTRICT IS DIVIDED INTO NINE SUBDISTRICTS. THE PD 1 55 WAS AS POLISHED BY ORDINANCE, UM, ON JUNE 24TH, 2020. IT ALLOWS A MIX OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES AND PERMITTED BANK OR SAVINGS AND LOAN OFFICE BY WRIGHT. THE TEXAS STOCK EXCHANGE IS PURSUING AN OFFICE IN THE BANK OF AMERICA TOWER AT PARKSIDE AND IS SECOND TO INCLUDE A DIGITAL TICKER SIGN. THEREFORE, THEY ARE REQUESTING A USE SUB DISTRICT WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN SPSD TO MODIFY SOUND REGULATIONS TO ALLOW THE NEW DIGITAL DISPLAY. ON JUNE 20, UH, JULY 14, UH, SPECIAL ASSIGNED DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE HELD THE CASE ONTO A SPECIAL CALLS MEETING JULY 21. AND THEN ON THE JULY 21, THE SPECIAL ASSIGNED DISTRICT ADVISORY RECOMMEND OUR APPROVAL OF REQUEST WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGE, CHANGE THE SHOT OF TIME OF THE HOROWITZ STRAIGHT PORTION OF THE DIGITAL DISPLAY FROM 11:00 PM TO 10:00 PM THESE ARE SOME OF THE PHOTOS OF THE SITE AND THEN, UH, SURROUNDING PHOTOS. AND THEN THIS IS A PROPOSED, UH, RENDER OF THE SIGN. [00:35:02] AND THEN THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS, WHICH WILL NOW, UH, THE, UH, SUBDISTRICT WILL NOW BE, INSTEAD OF NINE WILL BE 10. AND THEN THE ACTUAL PARKSIDE SUBDISTRICT, UM, CONDITIONS, WHICH WILL BE SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS SITE. AND THEN, UM, SO SGA, UH, COMMITTEE, AS I MENTIONED, RECOMMENDED FOR THIS, UM, SECTION TO BE THE PORTION OF A CHANGEABLE MESSAGE SIGN WITH F FRENCH ON HARWOOD STREET MUST BE TURNED OFF BETWEEN 10:00 PM AND 6:00 AM THE NEXT DAY, MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY. THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, UM, IS BETWEEN 11:00 PM AND 6:00 AM AND THEN, UM, THIS IS THE LAWS SECTION OF THE CONDITIONS IT IS, UH, WITHIN THE CITY CENTER WITH BETWEEN WITHIN THE $4 2.0. AND THEN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MS. GARZA. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? I JUST HAVE ONE. WHAT WAS SS DACS RATIONALE FOR HAVING THE LIGHTS GO OFF OR THE SIGN GO OFF AN HOUR EARLIER? DO YOU RECALL? I DO NOT RECALL. I SAT IN ON THAT COMMITTEE THAT DAY TO MAKE A QUORUM. UM, IT WAS BECAUSE THERE ARE CONDO, THERE'S CONDOS TO THE, UM, EAST OF, UH, OF THE PROJE OF PROPOSED SIGN, AND IT WAS CONSIDERED THAT THE, IT WOULD BE 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT WAS TOO LATE FOR THE LEVEL OF ILLUMINATION THAT WAS BEING PROPOSED. IT SHOULD CUT OFF EARLIER. THANKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? I SEE THAT THE SIZE OF THE SIGN IS LIMITED WITHIN THE CONDITIONS. I THINK THE STAFF REPORT INDICATED THAT IT IS TURNING THE CORNER. UM, IS THAT DEFINED WITHIN THE PD CONDITIONS? I COULD BE READING BY IT. I JUST DIDN'T LOCATE WHERE THAT WAS DEFINED. I SAW THE HEIGHT. I SAW THE SIZE. COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? UM, IT APPEARS THAT THE INTENT OF THE AREA IS INTENDED TO BE ESSENTIALLY WRAPPING THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING. I SEE A HEIGHT. I SEE A SIZE. I DIDN'T SEE HOW THAT DEFINITION WAS OR THAT INTENT WAS CODIFIED AND PERHAPS IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE, BUT IT WAS JUST A QUESTION. YEAH, I THINK, AND WE'VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH OUR, OUR SCIENCE INTERPRETATION TEAM. THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT DOING THE MEASUREMENT FOR, FOR THE WRAP. AND THEY DO KNOW IT IS INTENDED TO BE A WRAP, BUT YEAH, IT, IT DEFINITELY, THE, THE HEIGHT AND WIDTH THEIR, THEY'RE GONNA, I BE UNDERSTAND TURNING INTO A ONE BIG RECTANGLE RATHER THAN A, A WRAP WHEN THEY DO THE MEASUREMENT. UM, SO THAT I DON'T THINK NEEDS TO BE DEFINED. THEY SHOULD HAVE A GOOD WAY OF MEASURING THAT. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU MS. GARZA. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY, LET'S MOVE ONWARDS THEN TO CASE NUMBER 10. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU NEED THIS ONE BRIEFED OR ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UM, THIS CASE AND THE NEXT, UH, WILL BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL AUGUST THE 20TH. AND SHORT ANSWER, NO, I DID NOT NEED A BRIEFING. I'LL HOLD IT TILL THE NEXT MEETING. THANK YOU. OKAY, THEN WE WILL MOVE ON FROM 10 AND 11 TO NUMBER 12. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU WANT THIS ONE BRIEFED YOUR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY LS FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. DO ANYONE ELSE LIKE THIS ONE BRIEFED OR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. WE WILL MOVE ON THEN TO CASE NUMBER 13. UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND HAVE THIS ONE BRIEFED. UH, OKAY. THIS IS Z DASH 26 DASH 0 0 0 1 4 2. THE CURRENT PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT EIGHT. UH, HERE'S A [00:40:01] AERIAL AND THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY. OH, THERE IT IS. AND ALSO THE SURROUNDING LAND USES. UH, SO THE REQUEST FOR THIS APPLICATION IS TO, UM, FOR A REZONING FROM THE RR DASH 10, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT TO MF DASH TWO MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT TO ALLOW MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. UM, UH, SO THE CURRENTLY THE PROPERTY IS UNDEVELOPED IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS, PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES, UH, WITH THE CHURCH IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST. UM, HERE'S A PHOTO OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. UH, HERE'S LOOKING WEST ON SANDY LAMB BOULEVARD AND TO THE EAST. UH, HERE'S THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS COMPARING THE CURRENT ZONING R DASH 10 A. THAT'S TRUE TO THE PROPOSED MF DASH TWO OH, SORRY. I THINK YOUR, THE POWERPOINT'S LAGGING BEHIND. OKAY. I THINK WE'RE CAUGHT UP NOW. OKAY. NOT SURE WHY IT'S LAGGING. OKAY. UH, ACCORDING TO FORWARD DALLAS, THIS PROPERTY IS, UH, WITHIN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE. UM, AND WITH THAT, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL. ALRIGHT, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ONE? YES. COMMISSIONER WHEELER. WHAT WAS AND WHY WAS THE RECOMMENDATION AND DENIAL? UH, SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS NOT REALLY CODE BASE WISE, UM, BUT IT'S MORE JUST WITH THE, HOW THE COMMUNITY CHARACTERISTIC OF THE COMMUNITY. UM, SO WHAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED IS 70, 70 DWELLING UNITS MULTIFAMILY IN THE AREA SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES. UM, THE, JUST THE USE IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED IN THE AREA. I, I'M JUST CURIOUS, SO ON ONE SIDE THERE'S SANDY LAND, WHICH IS, I KNOW A TWO LANE STREET WITH, I FORGET HOW MUCH RIGHT OF WAY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SITE IS LBJ FREEWAY. CORRECT. I MEAN JUST, JUST GENERALLY, WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE LAND RANGE OF LAND USES FOR SOMETHING THAT FRONTS ON A FREEWAY LIKE LBJ THAT, YOU KNOW, IS IT PURELY SINGLE FAMILY? IS THERE ROOM FOR MORE HERE? UM, MICHAEL, IF YOU WANT TO ADJUST THAT REAL QUICK. YEAH. AND, AND NO, AND, AND GREAT, GREAT QUESTION. UM, AND I WOULD ADD ONE MORE THING AS WE KIND OF MOVE ALONG 'CAUSE IT'S ABOUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT WHAT IS APPROPRIATE NEXT TO, UM, THE NEIGHBORS. YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY COMMON IN FIRST INSTINCT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ZONING. UM, I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT WHEN, WHENEVER WE LOOK AT ANY KIND OF RESIDENTIAL UPZONING, THINK ABOUT ARE THE PEOPLE ON THIS SITE GOING TO HAVE QUALITY OF LIFE? ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE THE THINGS THAT THEY NEED WITHIN A CLOSE DISTANCE? IS IT GOING TO BE FORCED INTO AN AUTO ORIENTED TYPE STYLE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? I THINK THAT'S THE OTHER THING I'D ADD IS THAT, UM, WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THIS LOCATION BEING ISOLATED FOR THE, THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF PEOPLE THERE. UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT STRICTLY ONLY ABOUT THE, THE HOMES NEXT DOOR. SO, YOU KNOW, WE DO ADDRESS THAT IN THE STAFF REPORT BEING YOU'VE GOT TO PRETTY MUCH ACCESS IT FROM, FROM A FREEWAY OR YOU ACCESS IT FROM THE, THE SMALL ROAD. UH, GONNA LEND ITSELF TOWARDS AN AUTO ORIENTED, UM, FORMAT AND, AND STYLE OF LIVING. WE DON'T HAVE TRANSIT THAT HERE. UH, I CAN'T NECESSARILY ASSUME IT'S GOING TO COME ANYTIME SOON. EVEN WITH A, A LITTLE EXTRA DENSITY. WE DON'T HAVE A SIGNIFICANT CLUSTER OF THINGS LIKE EMPLOYMENT CENTERS, UM, RETAIL, UM, UM, OR, OR EVEN NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOLS AT THE SAME RATE. SO I THINK THAT'S THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN, UM, ON, ON OUR SIDE. AND SO WHAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE LAND USE? UH, POTEN, MAYBE NOT SINGLE FAMILY NECESSARILY. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THEY CAN BE HARMED BY FREEWAYS JUST AS MULTI-FAMILY CAN BE. UM, MAYBE A LOWER, LOWER INTENSITY, UM, COMMERCIAL OR AN INSTITUTIONAL USE. INSTITUTIONAL USES ARE ALLOWED THERE, UM, AT THIS TIME, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED. I, I KNOW WE'RE ONLY LOOKING [00:45:01] AT OUR ZONING VERSUS MF ZONING, BUT, UH, I THINK THAT'S THE SORT OF, UH, GUIDANCE THAT THAT COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL GIVES US. COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, UH, MULTIFAMILY WE KNOW IS A SECONDARY USE. AND WHEN WE HAVE A SECONDARY USE, I'D SAY, WELL, WE NEED A SITE THAT IS PARTICULARLY WELL SUITED TO IT. AND, AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE FOUND THAT FOR THIS SECONDARY USE, THIS WAS A WELL SUITED SITE TO IT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. PE. UH, I, COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, I HAVE ONE QUESTION. UH, UH, DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF LAND, UH, WILL BE CONTEMPLATED OR CONSIDERED WITHIN UPCOMING AUTHORIZED HEARING IN THE CLAYBROOK RILEY AREA? I DO KNOW THAT, UH, THEY'RE STILL WORKING OUT THE BOUNDARIES FOR IT, SO I'M JUST WANTED TO, IF YOU HAD ANY KNOWLEDGE OF THAT. UH, I, I DO NOT WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT, BUT I, I KNOW THEY ARE ADJUSTING THE BOUNDARIES. MY BEST UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IS MOSTLY SOUTH OF LBJ. UM, BUT I MAY BE WRONG AS THEY ADJUST THE BOUNDARIES, BUT PREVIOUSLY IT WAS, UH, UH, JUST SOUTH OF LBJ. THANK YOU MR. PEPE. THANK YOU. WOULD IT HELP IF WE HAD SOMEONE FOR THE AUTHORIZED HEARING TEAM HERE THIS AFTERNOON TO FOLLOW UP? UH, CERTAINLY. OKAY. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET ONE OF THEM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? NOT, NOT A QUESTION, JUST A COMMENT. I'M HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING PEOPLE TODAY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE UNCONGESTED OR WHAT, BUT I WILL, I WILL MOVE THIS CLOSER. I AND, AND MR. PEPPE TOO. I'M SORRY. LIKE IT'S BEEN REALLY HARD TO HEAR YOU TODAY. SORRY MR. CHAIR. I WOULD AGREE. CAN WE ALL GIVE OUR MICROPHONES A LITTLE LOVE HERE TODAY? THANK YOU. JUST A LITTLE . ALRIGHT, UH, MOVING ON. ITEM NUMBER 14. I THINK WE NEED THAT ONE BRIEFED. ALL RIGHT, THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS ITEM Z 20 OR CASE Z 26, LOT OF ZERO SEVEN. AN APPLICATION FOR NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE CR COMMUNITY, RETAIL DISTRICT AND PA PARKING DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF ROYAL LANE IN THE WEST LINE OF PRESTON ROAD NORTH OF ORCHID LANE. UH, HERE'S THE SITE ON THE, UH, LOCATION MAP, UH, NORTHERN PART OF DALLAS PRESTON HOLLOW AREA. THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE AREA OF REQUEST. UH, IT'S WITHIN THIS SHOPPING CENTER AREA THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY, UH, A LOT OF THIS WAS HIT BY TORNADO. THIS IS THE ZONING MAP SHOWING THE EXISTING ZONING IN THE AREA. UH, THIS LITTLE BOUNDARY HERE SHOULD HAVE EXTENDED OUT TO THE WEST A LITTLE BIT, BUT THIS IS THE EXISTING CR ZONING AND THEN THE PA PARKING DISTRICT THAT CURRENTLY TAKES UP THIS STRIP OF LAND HERE, UH, ALONG THE FOUR CORNERS OF ROYAL PRESTON AND ROYAL ARE CR CR COMMUNITY RETAIL. UH, AS THE NAME SUGGESTS, THERE'S A MIX OF RETAIL USES ON ALL FOUR CORNERS. THERE'S A MEDICAL CLINIC AS WELL ALONG PRESTON TO THE SOUTH. IMMEDIATELY SOUTH IS AN NOA NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE DISTRICT. AND THEN SOUTH OF THERE IS A TH ONE, A DISTRICT WITH DUPLEX AND SINGLE FAMILY USES TO THE WEST IS PRIMARILY AN MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT WITH CONDOMINIUMS AND PD 10 57, WHICH IS FOR FIRE STATION. WEST OF THAT IS A DA DUPLEX DISTRICT. TO THE NORTHWEST IS R 16, A SINGLE FAMILY. THEN TO THE SOUTHEAST IS AN R 16, A SINGLE FAMILY. AND THEN SOUTH THERE IS PD 5 53 FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL. UH, THE AREA OF REQUEST, OF COURSE IS DEVELOPED WITH THE VARIOUS RETAIL USES AND THE APPLICANT WISHES TO BUILD A MIX OF MULTIFAMILY HOTEL AND RETAIL USES. AND IN ORDER TO BUILD TO THEIR DESIRED FOOTPRINT AND SCALE, THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A NEW PD. THESE ARE SITE PHOTOS THAT WERE TAKEN ON THE SITE. UH, THIS IS ON SITE LOOKING SOUTH TOWARDS THE NOA DISTRICT TO THE SOUTH THERE. THEN LOOKING TOWARDS THE SOUTHWEST AND THE CORNERS TO THE LEFT OF THE PHOTO IS THE NOA TO THE RIGHT AND THE MIDDLE IS THE MF TWO. THEN LOOKING WEST TOWARD THE MF TWO, LOOKING NORTHWEST AGAIN ON THE WEST OR THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PHOTO, YOU SEE THE MF TWO. AND THEN OVER ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS SOME OF THE EXISTING RETAIL. IT'S PART OF THE AREA OF REQUEST. THEN LOOKING NORTH, JUST A COUPLE SPLIT PHOTOS HERE. LOOKING NORTH AGAIN WITH A SPLIT [00:50:01] OF PHOTOS. THIS IS ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE AREA OF REQUEST. THEN LOOKING EAST, THEN ON ONSITE LOOKING WEST, THIS IS WHERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS THE EXISTING RETAIL. TO THE LEFT IS A MIX OF SURFACE PARKING AS WELL AS THOSE BUILDING PADS AND FOUNDATIONS ON ROW LANE LOOKING SOUTHEAST TOWARDS THE SITE AND LOOKING SOUTHWEST, LOOKING SOUTHEAST ROYAL LANE LOOKING EAST, THIS IS ON THE EDGE OF THE AREA OF REQUEST LOOKING NORTH AWAY FROM THE AREA OF REQUEST TOWARDS THE SHOPPING TO THE NORTH, LOOKING WEST ALONG ROYAL LANE. THE AREA OF REQUEST IS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PHOTO HERE. THEN FURTHER TOWARDS THE NORTHEAST NORTHWESTERN CORNER OF THE SITE, LOOKING WEST, LOOKING SOUTHWEST. THAT'S THE FIRE STATION RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE. THIS IS ON PARK VILLAGE PLACE. SO THIS IS THE NOA DISTRICT IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THE AREA OF REQUEST. LOOKING EAST TOWARDS PRESTON. THEN LOOKING WEST, THIS IS ON ORCHID LANE. THAT'S THAT TH TO THE SOUTH LOOKING EAST TOWARDS UH, PRESTON. THEN LOOKING NORTH ON ORCHID TOWARDS THE AREA OF REQUEST. LOOKING WEST. UH, THIS IS A SET OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. NOW IS IF YOU'VE LOOKED THROUGH THE REPORT THEN YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE A COMPLEX SET OF STANDARDS. WE'LL GET INTO THE DETAILS HERE IN A SECOND. UH, BUT THE COMPARISON OF WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED HERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT SHOWS THE SETBACKS AND WHATNOT. THERE'S CERTAIN EITHER EXEMPTIONS OR ADDITIONAL SETBACKS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR GREATER HEIGHTS. THERE IS NO MAXIMUM, UH, FAR FOR RESIDENTIAL USES AND A MAXIMUM OF 1.7 FAR FOR ALL THE OTHERS. UH, THE HEIGHT IS RANGED FROM 45 TO 240 FEET, WHICH ARE RESTRICTED VIA HEIGHT ZONES. LOT COVERAGE IS 45%. UH, AND THE LOT COVERAGE DECREASES DEPENDING ON THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING. SO AS THE HEIGHT INCREASES, THE LOT COVERAGE DECREASES UNTIL THE HIGHEST PORTION IS LIMITED TO 10% LOT COVERAGE. PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN OVERALL, UH, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THREE MAIN BUILDINGS. THERE'S BUILDING ONE, WHICH IS ON THE SOUTHWESTERN PORTION PORTION OF THE SITE. UH, THAT WILL BE MULTIFAMILY BUILDING TWO WILL BE A MIX OF HOTEL AND MULTIFAMILY AS WELL. THEN BUILDING THREE IS PROPOSED TO BE OFFICE. THIS AREA HERE WHERE MY CURSOR IS AND SHOULD SHOW UP THERE, UH, THIS AREA HERE IS WHAT'S BEING DESIGNATED RESTAURANT VILLAGE ZONE. THE INTENT THERE IS FOR A MIX OF RETAIL USES, RESTAURANTS, ET CETERA. IT WOULD ALL FALL UNDER THE RETAIL CATEGORY. UH, THAT WOULD BE LIMITED TO 45 FEET AND HEIGHT. ZOOMING IN ON THE BUILDING ONE HERE, THIS IS WHERE YOU START SEEING THESE HEIGHT ZONES THAT WERE MENTIONED EARLIER. UH, THE HEIGHT ZONES EXTEND ALL THE WAY TO 380 FEET FROM THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE TO SORT OF THE NORTHERN TWO THIRDS OF THE SITE. EACH OF THESE HEIGHT ZONES PUTS IN RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT THE MAXIMUM, UH, HEIGHTS CAN BE AT BUILDING TWO. OVER HERE IT'S THE SAME CONCEPT AND WE SEE HERE WHERE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHTS ARE DESIGNATED AND THEY'RE FALLING WITHIN THOSE DIFFERENT HEIGHT ZONES. UH, THIS IS BUILDING THREE. THIS WOULD BE THE OFFICE. THIS IS ALONG ROYAL. SO THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS AND THE USES IN HEIGHTS. SO THE BASE ZONING, IT IS THE CR ZONING AND THEY'RE ADDING NURSING HOMES, HOSPICE CARE, HOTEL MULTIFAMILY, RETIRING HOUSING IS RETIREMENT. HOUSING IS ALLOWED USES, THE HEIGHT IS UP TO 240 FEET BASED ON THE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS. SO IF FOR BUILDING ONE, IT ATTAINS UP TO 210 FEET IF THEY MEET THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUS STANDARDS. OTHERWISE IT'S LIMITED TO 185 FEET FOR BUILDING TWO UP TO 240 FEET IF THEY MEET THAT BONUS STANDARD. OTHERWISE, 200 FEET BUILDING THREE IS SET AT 190 FEET. THE RESTAURANT VILLAGE ZONE IS 45 FEET. ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S MAXIMUM STORIES THAT ARE TIED INTO THESE AS WELL, 18, 19 AND 12 RESPECTIVELY. THE HEIGHT ZONES DO RESTRICT THE HEIGHT BASED ON THE DISTANCE FROM THAT SOUTHERN PROPERTY. LINE HEIGHT ZONE ONE IS THE FIRST A HUNDRED FEET HEIGHT ZONE TWO GOES FROM A HUNDRED TO 240 FEET AWAY FROM THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE. AND FINALLY, HEIGHT ZONE THREE IS FROM 240 TO 380 FEET. NOW WITHIN THESE HEIGHT ZONES, EACH BUILDING HAS DIFFERENT MAXIMUM HEIGHTS WITHIN THOSE HEIGHT ZONES. FOR BUILDING ONE, IT STARTS AT 54 FEET FROM THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT WITHIN HEIGHT ZONE ONE, THEN IT GOES UP TO 185 FEET FOR ZONES TWO AND THREE. AND THEN THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUS WOULD GRANT THAT UP TO 210 FOR BUILDING TWO, WHICH IS THE TALLEST BUILDING. 54 FEET FOR ZONE ONE, 110 FEET FOR ZONE TWO, AND THEN 200 FEET FOR ZONE THREE WITH A BONUS UP TO TWO 40. THE MINIMUM FRONT YARD IS 15 FEET. UH, THE BUILDING ONE SETBACKS, UH, ARE ADDITIONALLY APPLIED AS A MINIMUM SIDE AND REAR SETBACK OF 54 FEET FOR THE PORTIONS OF A STRUCTURE UP TO 54 FEET IN HEIGHT. THEN BETWEEN 54 AND 140 FEET IN HEIGHT. THE SETBACK IS 70 FEET AND ABOVE 140 FEET SETBACK IS 80 FEET. THEN FOR BUILDING TWO THE PORTIONS OF STRUCTURE GREATER THAN 190 FEET IN HEIGHT. THE MINIMUM SIDE REAR SETBACK IS 40 FEET AND THE PORTIONS GREATER THAN TWO 10 ARE SETBACK OF 50 FEET. UH, ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT IN THE SETBACKS FOR AN UNDERGROUND PARKING GARAGE TO BE SETBACK AT LEAST 30 FEET FROM THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE LOT COVERAGE, IT IS LIMITED AS THE HEIGHTS INCREASE. SO FOR 54 FEET OR LESSER ALLOWED 45% LOT COVERAGE FROM 54 TO 110 FEET. 35, [00:55:01] UH, YOU CAN KIND OF GO ON, SO ON AND SO FORTH. HERE AGAIN, THE TALLEST PORTIONS, WHICH WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED IF THEY ALSO MEET THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUS IS 10% LOT COVERAGE. UH, DESIGN STANDARDS, THERE'S A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR SOME MINIMUM SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS THAT ARE UNOBSTRUCTED WITH SIX FOOT WIDE PLANTING ZONES. THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES ALONG ROYAL LANE. THERE ARE ARCHITECTURAL REQUIRE ART, PARDON ME, REQUIREMENTS FOR ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS AT THE CORNERS AND ENTRY POINTS OF THE BUILDINGS. AND A MINIMUM 30% TRANSPARENCY FOR GROUND LEVEL FACADES THAT FACE PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY, THE MAXIMUM BLANK WALL LENGTH IS 30 FEET. AND ANY UH, BLANK WALLS DO REQUIRE ARTICULATION. REQUIRED PARKING MUST BE AT OR BELOW GRADE. SO NO ABOVE GRADE PARKING STRUCTURES AND REQUIRED, IT REQUIRES STREET ACTIVATING USES FOR BUILDINGS ONE, TWO, AND THREE AS WELL AS THE RESTAURANT VILLAGE ZONE, WHICH ARE DEFINED IN THE PD LANDSCAPING. IT DOES REQUIRE 0.68 ACRES OF MINIMUM OPEN SPACE AND A HALF ACRE MUST BE CONTIGUOUS. 200 SITE TREES MUST BE PROVIDED. THIS IS GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND THE ARTICLE 10 REQUIREMENTS. UH, THERE ARE MINIMUM FOUR CALIPER INCHES AND 12 MUST BE AT LEAST MINIMUM OF 12 CALIPER WRE INCHES. UH, THE STREET TREES MAY COUNT TOWARDS STITE TREES AND THE HABITAT GARDENS, UH, ARE REQUIRED IN PLANTING AREAS EXCEPT FOR IN THE OPEN SPACE FOR MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUS. WE ARE RECOMMENDING OR THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTED 5% AT 81 TO A HUNDRED PERCENT A MFI. UH, OUR DEPARTMENTAL STANDARDS, ESPECIALLY FROM THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT, THEY WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE USE 51 TO 60% A MFI. THIS IS BASED ON THE MVA OR MARKET VALUE ANALYSIS, UH, CATEGORY FOR THIS AREA. UH, THE IDEA BEING THAT WE DON'T WANNA CLUSTER POVERTY IN THE LOW MVA AREAS. UH, THE BONUS OF WHAT ALLOWS THE INCREASE IN HEIGHTS FOR BUILDINGS ONE AND TWO AS STATED PREVIOUSLY FOR BUILDING ONE, AN INCREASE FROM 180 5 TO TWO 10 AND FOR BUILDING TWO AN INCREASE FROM 200 TO 240. SIGNS ARE ADDITIONALLY, UH, HAVE SOME CONDITIONS IN HERE. IT FOLLOWS THE BUSINESS ZONING DISTRICT FOR ARTICLE SEVEN. UH, THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL DEVIATIONS. THEY DO ALLOW TWO ADDITIONAL DETACHED SIGNS WITH A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 35 FEET, MAXIMUM EFFECTIVE AREA FOR EACH SIGN OF 525 SQUARE FEET. UH, THE MINIMUM FRONT YARD SETBACK FOR EACH SIGN IS FIVE FEET WITH NO MINIMUM SIDE YARD SETBACK. AND THE ADDRESS OF PREMISES NOT REQUIRED ON THE SIGNS. IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A BUSINESS PARK FOR THE PURPOSE OF SUBDIVISION SIGNS AND CONSIDERED ONE LOT WITHIN FORWARD DALLAS 2.0. THE AREA IS DESIGNATED AS COMMUNITY MIXED USE. THE BROADER AREA AROUND HERE, AS YOU CAN SEE THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE PRESS AND ROYAL INTERSECTION ARE ALSO DESIGNATED AS COMMUNITY MIXED USE. THE CMU DESIGNATION EXTENDS TOWARDS THE WEST ALL THE WAY TO THE DNT AS WELL AS A PORTION HERE ALONG ROYAL. UH, AND THEN THE SURROUNDING AREAS, COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ANALYSIS HERE, AND I'M PREDICTING HERE, I THINK A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION WILL BE AROUND THIS. THE PROPOSED USES THEMSELVES, THEY ALL FIT WITHIN THE PRIMARY USES FOR COMMUNITY MIXED USE, HOTELS, LODGING, RESIDENTIAL, RETAIL. THOSE ARE ALL COMPONENTS OF WHAT MAKES UP COMMUNITY MIXED USE DISTRICT. AND FRANKLY ANY OF THE MIXED USE DISTRICTS THAT WE HAVE WITHIN OR PLACE TYPES, I SHOULD SAY, SORRY, THE PLACE TYPES WITHIN FORWARD DALLAS, THE PROPOSED HEIGHTS, THEY'RE SIGNIFICANTLY TALLER THAN EXISTING AND SURROUNDING ENTITLEMENTS AND IN ORDER TO EFFECT ABATE THE EFFECTS OF HEIGHTS WE HAVE TO CONSIDER. WHILE HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THE BUILDING MASSING THE DESIGN STANDARDS AND PEDESTRIAN ACTIVATION. WE BELIEVE THAT FIRST THE HEIGHT ZONE LIMITATIONS REQUIRE THE STEPPING BACK OF HEIGHT FROM NEIGHBORING RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND SIDE YARD REQUIREMENTS FOR BUILDINGS WHO ABOVE A CERTAIN HEIGHT FURTHER REDUCE THAT SORT OF ENCROACHMENT. THE LOT COVERAGE MAXIMUMS ALSO LIMIT THE TOTAL BUILDING MASSING THAT ARE ABOVE CERTAIN HEIGHTS. AND THE DESIGN STANDARDS PROHIBITING WIDE BLANK WALLS, HAVING ARTICULATION FOR BLANK WALLS. IT DOES IMPROVE THE VISUAL APPEARANCE AND THE CHARACTER OF THE BUILDINGS. THE PROPOSED CONFIGURATION WITH GROUND LEVEL FEATURES, INCLUDING REQUIREMENTS FOR OPEN SPACE AND STREET ACTIV ACTIVATING USES. THEY DO CONTRIBUTE TO THE GOALS OF COMMUNITY MIXED USE AND SEVERAL OF THE POINTS THAT ARE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY MIXED USE PLACE TYPE SAS RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. BATE FOR YOUR BRIEFING. LET'S GO TO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. COMMISSIONER HALL, DO YOU WANNA KICK IT OFF? YES. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I'D LIKE TO ASK MR. BATE SOME QUESTION AS WELL AS, UH, MR. NAVAREZ IF I GET A CHANCE. UH, I'LL START WITH MR. BATE. UH, YOUR STAFF REPORT SAYS THAT THIS IS CO MR. PAUL CONSISTENT WITH FORWARD DALLAS 2.0. I APOLOGIZE, CAN YOU SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT? THANK YOU. STAFF REPORT SAYS THAT THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH, UH, FORWARD DALLAS 2.0. UH, WOULD YOU ELABORATE A BIT ON THAT? HAPPY TO. IN TERMS OF CONSISTENCY REVIEW, WHEN WE LOOK AT FORWARD DALLAS 2.0 FOR A ZONING CASE, WE START BIG AND THEN ZOOM IN. WHEN WE LOOK AT COMMUNITY MIXED USE, THE DIFFERENT EXAMPLES THAT THEY GIVE WITHIN THERE, IT INCLUDES BOTH [01:00:01] PLACES LIKE BISHOP ARTS, WINDWOOD VILLAGE, THE DESIGN DISTRICT, KOREATOWN. AND WHEN WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE DIFFERENT AREAS WITHIN OUR CITY THAT ARE CURRENTLY DESIGNATED COMMUNITY MIXED USE, I WOULD SAY THAT WE DO SEE A WIDE VARIETY OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY BUILT THERE. UH, THERE ARE PLACES THAT ARE DESIGNATED COMMUNITY MIXED USE THAT ARE PREDOMINANTLY LOW RISE. IN FACT, WITHIN THIS AREA YOU HAVE ON THE FOUR CORNERS OF PRESTON ROYAL LOWER RISE BUILDINGS, YOU DO ALSO HAVE COMMUNITY MIXED USE AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE TALLER BUILDINGS AS WELL. UH, SOUTH OF HERE, ALL ALONG THE PRESTON CENTER, UH, DEVELOPMENT. UH, THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF A COMMUNITY MIXED USE DESIGNATION THAT DOES HAVE TALLER BUILDINGS IN ADDITION TO SHORTER BUILDINGS AS WELL. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PLACE TYPE, WHETHER IT'S COMMUNITY MIXED USE OR ANY OF THE OTHER, UH, PLACE TYPES, WE WANNA LOOK AT WHAT THE ACTUAL USES ARE. SO FIRST OF ALL, ARE THE USES EVEN COMPATIBLE WITHIN THE PLACE TYPE? AND THEN FROM THERE WE WANNA LOOK AT THE SCALE AND THE NATURE OF WHAT'S BEING DEVELOPED AND HOW THAT FURTHERS THE VARIOUS GOALS IN THERE. UH, WITHIN THE COMMUNITY MIXED USE PLACE TYPE, I BELIEVE THERE ARE, MICHAEL, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, 19 OR 20 DIFFERENT, UH, ELEMENTS THAT MAKE UP THIS PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE. EACH PLACE TYPE HAS ON THE ORDER OF A DOZEN TO TWO DOZEN ELEMENTS THAT MAKE THAT PLACE TYPE. UH, THEY HAVE ELEMENTS THAT KIND OF WE USE AS THE GUIDELINE TO DETERMINE, WELL WHAT MAKES SOMETHING PART OF THIS PLACE TYPE. WE BELIEVE THAT THROUGH THE REQUIREMENTS IN THERE FOR REDUCING THE BUILDING MASSING THE REQUIREMENTS FOR LIMITING THE LOT COVERAGE, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SETBACKS THAT INCREASES THE BUILDINGS GET TALLER, PARTICULARLY USING THE HEIGHT ZONES, UH, AS WELL AS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PEDESTRIAN ACTIVATED USES. PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED USES THE REQUIREMENT FOR OPEN SPACE. THESE ALL DO VARIOUS BITS OF WORK TO INCREASE THE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE COMMUNITY MIXED USE PLACE TYPE. UH, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HEIGHTS, FOR INSTANCE, WE WOULD CERTAINLY I THINK BE THE FIRST TO SAY THAT SOMETHING THAT'S 240 FEET FROM TOP TO BOTTOM, LEFT TO RIGHT, EAST TO WEST, NORTH TO SOUTH, UH, A LARGE MONOLITHIC BUILDING SUCH AS THAT, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE CONSIDERED PRETTY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA BECAUSE THAT'S JUST NOT WHAT MAKES A GOOD COMMUNITY MIXED USE AREA. SOMETHING THAT IS TALL. AND AS WE SAID IN THE PRESENTATION RIGHT HERE, IT IS A DEPARTURE FROM WHAT IS PREDOMINANT AROUND THERE. WE HAVE TO GIVE CONSIDERATION TO HOW CAN IT BE REDUCED SO THAT IT'S NOT MASSIVE SO THAT IT'S NOT A MONOLITH. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY JUST INCREDIBLY HUGE IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL ENVELOPE. UH, WHEN WE HAVE THAT, WHEN WE HAVE THE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVATED USES AND PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED USES, WHEN WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR IMPROVED SIDEWALK STANDARDS TO MAKE THIS MORE OF AN ACTUAL WALKABLE MIXED USE AREA OR DISTRICT, UH, WE FIND THAT ALL OF THAT CONTRIBUTES TOWARDS MEETING THE VARIOUS ITEMS AND THE VARIOUS POINTS THAT ARE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY MIXED USE PLACE TYPE. UH, IT'S VERY RARE THAT WE GET A ZONING DISTRICT, A PD, ANYTHING THAT MEETS EVERY SINGLE CRITERION WITHIN ANY, ANY OF THE PLACE TYPES, WHETHER IT'S COMMUNITY MIXED USE, COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, ET CETERA. WE LOOK MORE FAVORABLY UPON, UPON ANYTHING THAT MEETS A MAJORITY OF THOSE ITEMS OR GETS CLOSE TO THAT. UM, THE, THE FORWARD DALLAS 2.0, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT'S A VERY STRONG GUIDELINE THAT WE USE. IT'S, I'LL SAY THAT THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT ANY DISTRICT HAS TO TICK EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE BOXES. WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT AS MANY OF THOSE BOXES ARE ADDRESSED AND TICKED, AND I DON'T SAY THAT IS A PERFUNCTORY METHOD, BUT RATHER WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING AS MUCH OF THOSE GOALS AS POSSIBLE. AND WHERE THERE'S A DEVIATION FROM THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S MADE UP FOR IN OTHER, OTHER AREAS. AND MICHAEL, I DUNNO IF YOU WANTED TO ADD ANY COLOR TO THAT. NO, I I DO THINK ALL OF THOSE ARE, ARE VERY APPROPRIATE. UM, UH, COMMUNITY MIXED USE GIVES US ALL OF THOSE DATA POINTS AND UM, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY IT, IT'S A SUBJECTIVE PLAN. WE'RE NOT GOING TO SAY THAT IT IS, OH, EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU. WE, WE, IT, IT IS HARD TO SAY THAT EVERYTHING, UH, THAT THERE ARE NOT HARD NUMBERS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. UM, IN, IN GREAT DEGREE. 'CAUSE THERE'S A REASON, BECAUSE THERE'S ROOM FOR, FOR COMMISSIONS AND COUNCILS TO, TO MAKE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS AND APPROVALS WITHIN, UM, WITHIN THAT SUBJECTIVITY. AND, AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT'LL BE TO A DEGREE, UM, BASED ON THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE VIEWER, THE, THE, UM, DECISION MAKER. UH, BUT THIS IS THE, SOME OF THE PROFESSIONAL GUIDANCE THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE WITH REGARD TO THE PLAN AND WORKING WITH THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE, UM, DEVELOPED IT. COMMISSIONER HALL, DO YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS? YES. UH, MR. BATE, YOUR, YOUR ORIGINAL, UH, STAFF REPORT WAS ISSUED IN JUNE ON JUNE 25TH, 2026. UH, THIS REPORT IS RELATIVELY, RELATIVELY THE SAME, BUT IT'S BEEFED UP. THERE'S MORE INFORMATION IN IT. AND, UH, I BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS DONE IN, IN REGARDS TO SOME QUESTIONS THAT WERE [01:05:01] ASKED BY THE COMMUNITY. AND, UM, IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. WE WANTED TO ADD IN JUST SOME ADDITIONAL DETAIL WITHIN THE REPORT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. THERE WERE, UH, QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP AROUND THE TIA AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESSED AT LEAST WHAT WE COULD WITHIN THE REPORT THERE. UH, THERE WAS ALSO FROM THE APPLICANT THEMSELVES, THERE WAS A CONDITION THAT WAS PROPOSED REGARDING THE, UM, APPORTIONMENT AND EXACTION PROCESS. UH, WE ADDRESSED THAT WITHIN THE TRAFFIC SECTION. UH, ADDITIONALLY, I THINK WE JUST WENT THROUGH THE REPORT AND MADE SURE CERTAIN COMPONENTS WERE A LITTLE MORE CLARIFIED. UH, FOR INSTANCE, JUST SOME OF THE LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT RPS, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR. UH, SOME OF THE LANGUAGE ABOUT M-I-H-D-B, THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUS, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEARED UP. UM, SO THERE WERE SOME ADDITIONS TO THE REPORT. UH, I'D SAY THAT THEY ONLY FURTHER INCREASED, UH, UNDERSTANDING OR CLAR PROVIDED MORE CLARITY WITHIN THE REPORT. UH, BUT THERE WAS NO SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE OTHERWISE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, I, MR. CHAIR, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR MR. NAVAREZ IF I MAY. OKAY. MR. NAVAREZ, ARE YOU READY TO GO? I FEEL YOUR PAIN. MR. NAVAREZ IS SOMEONE WHO'S ON THE SHORTER HAND. MR. NAVAREZ, WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THE, UH, TO THE PUBLIC PLEASE? YES. GOOD, GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. I SEE NEW FACES AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND, AND, AND SERVICE. UH, WELCOME, UH, TO THE NEW MEMBERS. MY NAME IS DAVID NAVARRES. I'M HERE REPRESENTING, UH, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, OUR ENGINEERING TEAM, WHICH IS COMPOSED OF, UH, ALL TRANSPORTATION, PAVING AND DRAINAGE WATER AND WASTE WATER. IF YOU EVER HAVE ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE PERMITTING PROCESS THAT FOLLOWS THROUGH PLATING, UH, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM HERE AT THE PODIUM AND FOR YOUR CONSTITUENTS AS WELL. THANK YOU. UM, UH, I BELIEVE YOU'VE, YOU'VE SEEN SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AT THE COMMUNITY ASKING, BUT, UH, REGARDING THE TRAFFIC STUDY, HAVE YOU REVIEWED ALL PERTINENT DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED? YES, SIR. WE COMPLETED OUR REVIEW OF A TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THE PROPOSED HYPOTHETICAL BUILD OUT OF THIS PROJECT. AND, UH, IS THE CITY, UH, IN YOUR OPINION, SATISFIED THAT ALL SUBMISSIONS ARE PROPER AND ADEQUATE? YES. UH, BUT THANK, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY THE REVIEW PROCESS. UH, THERE, THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR A TRAFFIC STUDY OR ANY ENGINEERING STUDIES THROUGH ZONING IN AS MUCH AS ZONING ESTABLISHES, UM, LAND USE ENTITLEMENT IN A HYPOTHETICAL MANNER. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH AND WHAT CAN BE BILLED. UM, AND AT THIS POINT WE HAVE NO CERTAINTY OF HOW MUCH WILL BE BUILT AND WHEN. AND SO, UM, I WANNA CLARIFY THAT ALL THE ENGINEERING STUDIES, NOT SPECIFIC TO VEHICLES OR PEDESTRIANS, BUT OTHER VERY RELEVANT DEVELOPMENT IMPACT, WHICH IS DRAINAGE, UH, THE WAY WATER FLOWS IN AND OUT OF THE FACILITY OF, OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, WASTEWATER, WHICH SHOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT IN THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT OF A PROJECT, UH, ESPECIALLY GIVEN, UM, SPECIFIC SIZE. AND SO ALL OF THOSE ARE PART OF THE PLATTING PROCESS THAT FOLLOWS ONCE THE DEVELOPMENT ENTITLEMENT IS APPROVED BY YOUR COMMISSION AND COUNSEL. AND, AND SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE LET YOU KNOW, AND, AND YOUR CONSTITUENTS KNOW THAT A TRAFFIC STUDY WHILE NOT REQUIRED, WE STILL RECOMMEND IT. IT'S AT YOUR DISCRETION THAT YOU MAY REQUIRE ONE AS PART OF YOUR REVIEW FOR COURT, OF COURSE. AND BY THAT MEANS, THAT MEANS THAT YOU CAN REQUEST ANY TECHNICAL INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT. UH, THEY HAVE, UH, PROVIDED TO YOU WITH A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WE REVIEWED. UH, I DON'T CONSIDER IT TO BE FINAL. IT IS NOT FINAL ONE BECAUSE, UM, UM, IT, IT INCLUDES A HYPOTHETICAL BUILD OUT THAT WHILE WE MAY OR MAY NOT HOPE THAT IT GETS TO FRUITION, WE MAY SEE IT IN FACES. AND SO TO US, UH, THAT WHAT, WHAT MATTERS IS WHAT COMES IN AT PERMITTING. AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THE, THE, THE CODE REQUIRES STAFF TO MAKE THOSE, UH, REVIEWS, TO COMPLETE THOSE REVIEWS, UH, AT THAT TIME TO BE VERY SPECIFIC TO WITH, TO MATCH A, AN ENGINEERING SET OF PLANS. THANK YOU. AND, UH, SO THERE'S, I THINK I I'M HEARING YOU SAY DURING THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND BEFORE CONSTRUCTION CAN START OR ANYTHING, UH, IF THERE'S ANY FURTHER DOCUMENTS REQUIRED, ANY FURTHER STUDIES DONE, ET CETERA, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE COMPLETED AND PASS MUSTER WITH THE CITY, UH, BEFORE THEY COULD START DEMO, DEMOLITION [01:10:01] OR CONSTRUCTION OR WHATEVER. CORRECT. AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF AN ENGINEERING STUDY IS TO IDENTIFY MITIGATION AND TO CONFIRM THAT THE PROJECT CAN BE DEVELOPED. UH, SOMETIMES APPLICANTS COME IN SAYING, WELL, IF WE DON'T BUILD THIS, WE COULD COME BACK AND BUILD MORE. UM, WELL TRUE UP UNTIL YOUR ENGINEERING STUDIES CONFIRM THAT, UH, THOSE, THAT THAT AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT IS, IS POSSIBLE. AND SO IT, IN ONE OF THE QUESTIONS FROM, FROM YOUR CONSTITUENTS, I SAW THAT, UH, WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN THE MITIGATION IS NOT FEASIBLE? WELL, THE DEVELOPMENT CANNOT MOVE FORWARD. AND, AND ALTHOUGH CITY STAFF GETS IN TROUBLE FOR DELAYING DEVELOPMENTS, IT'S OUR JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE REVIEWING AND THE ENGINEER OF RECORDS RESPONSIBILITY TO TELL US HOW THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT IMPACT IS MITIGATED. LET IT BE HOW MUCH WATER IS BEING DRAINED ONTO THE STREETS, HOW MUCH WATER, GRAY WATER IS COMING OUT TO EXISTING WATER LINES. DO THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED? UH, HOW MANY PEDESTRIANS ARE CROSSING AND WHERE DO WE HAVE A CROSSWALK THERE? NOW, DO WE NEED ONE NOW? UH, OR, OR A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, AND WHEN DO WE NEED A TRAFFIC SIGNAL? SO ALL OF THOSE COMPONENTS, UH, ARE PART OF THE ENGINEERING REVIEW PROCESS, AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE ENGINEER OF RECORD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR, AND STAFF IS RESPONSIBLE TO REVIEW. THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU BOTH. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR. OKAY. I JUST SAW COMMISSIONER WHEELER'S HAND GO UP. UM, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS I ASK IS, UM, WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, HOW DO WE, UH, I THOUGHT THAT THE CITY STAFF WAS GETTING OUT OF CREATING, CONTINUING TO CREATE NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENTS, UH, PDS, AND ALSO WHAT IS THE CURRENT MAXIMUM HEIGHT, UM, THAT THAT CAN BE BUILT AT THIS CURRENT TIME. THANK YOU. IN TERMS OF OUR T FOR PDS, UH, WE WOULD SAY THAT THE, I'D SAY THE CURRENT SORT OF DEPARTMENTAL ATTITUDE IS THAT WHERE A BASE ZONING DISTRICT WOULD SUFFICE. UH, WE OFTEN PREFER TO GO WITH THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT. UH, OFTENTIMES WE GET PDS THAT ARE REALLY JUST MAKING A COUPLE SMALL MODIFICATIONS HERE AND THERE, USUALLY ALONG SETBACKS OR JUST PURE HEIGHT. AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE EVALUATE EACH OF THOSE ON THEIR OWN MERITS. I THINK YOU'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, OFTEN BE MORE WILLING TO RECOMMEND A BASE ZONING DISTRICT IN LIEU OF THAT. UH, WHEN WE GET SOMETHING THAT'S MORE ON THIS SCALE AND ESPECIALLY SOMETHING THAT'S A DEPARTURE FROM WHAT'S PREDOMINANT ON THE GROUND, UH, WHILE A BASE ZONING DISTRICT COULD CERTAINLY HELP, YOU KNOW, BASE ZONING DISTRICT COULD CERTAINLY ENABLE, I THINK WHAT THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING TO BUILD. OUR FLIP SIDE OF IT IS THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PD, WE CAN SAY, WELL, WE CAN PUT IN A LOT MORE STANDARDS AROUND PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED USES AROUND LIMITING HEIGHTS, AROUND LIMITING LOT COVERAGE. IF THIS WAS A PURE, LET'S SAY MU THREE DISTRICT, THERE'S A COUPLE PROVISIONS IN THERE FOR TOWER SPACING AND FOR URBAN FORM SETBACK. BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. IT DOESN'T HAVE ADDITIONAL LOCK COVERAGE LIMITS FOR HEIGHTS, FOR INSTANCE. SO AS LONG AS YOU JUST MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT, YOU CAN BUILD YOUR TALLEST PORTION AS LARGE AS YOU WANT. UM, SO WHEN WE DO GET SOMETHING THAT COMES IN AS A REQUEST FOR A PD, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AND SEE IF A BAY ZONING DISTRICT WILL SUFFICE HERE. AND WHEN WE FEEL THAT THE USE OF A PD ALLOWS US TO PUT IN REQUIREMENTS CONDITIONS AND IMPROVE THE PEDESTRIAN REALM, IMPROVE THE PUBLIC REALM OVERALL, UH, THAT'S WHEN WE'RE MORE AMENABLE TO USING THE PDS. AND WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT CURRENT? THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT RIGHT NOW? UH, 54 FEET. THE CURRENT HEIGHT HEIGHT'S, 54 FEET. YES, MA'AM. UM, AND THEN I GUESS ONE MORE QUESTION IS, IS ARE WE LOOKING AT, AT AS WE'RE DOING ZONING, UM, UM, ZONING REFORM, LOOKING AT OTHER OPTIONS BESIDES PDS? THAT'D BE A GOOD QUESTION FOR MICHAEL. I KNOW THAT THE, I THINK THAT A LOT OF THE REASONS THAT I JUST STATED FOR WHY WE WILL BE AMENABLE TO PDS, SOMETIMES I THINK WE'RE HOPING TO INCORPORATE MORE OF THAT INTO OUR BASE CODE, BUT MICHAEL CAN SHED SOME MORE LIGHT ON THAT. YES, THAT'S, THAT'S DEFINITELY RIGHT. UM, SO WHETHER IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING THAT IS IS PLANNED FOR THAT, BUT I, I CERTAINLY CONTRIBUTE, UM, INPUT AS A PERSON WHO, WHO, WHO DOES A LOT OF THIS EVERY DAY. UM, DEFINITELY ALTERNATIVES TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS THAT, UM, KIND OF REWRITE THE CODE, TAKE IT APART, UM, ARE BEING LOOKED AT. UM, AND YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MAYBE SOME THINGS THAT WE COULDN'T, UM, IT'S A LOT OF BENEFITS TO THE REZONING THAT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE REQUIRED OR WOULDN'T BE BAKED INTO THE CODE, UM, THAT THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES. UM, THAT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, COMMON FOR ANY KIND OF MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IN A, IN A NEW CODE. UM, BUT I THINK CERTAINLY WE ARE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT BECAUSE, UM, THIS PROCESS IS DIFFICULT FOR STAFF, FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS, FOR THE PUBLIC, AND FOR THE DEVELOPER. [01:15:01] OKAY. COMMISSIONER WHEELER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, I'LL GO TO MY LEFT QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONERS. I'LL GO TO MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONER SIMS. THANK THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UH, FIRST I'VE, I'VE GOT TWO QUESTIONS. FIRST QUESTION FOR, UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY, UH, BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT FLORIDA, DALLAS A LITTLE BIT, AND IN MY UNDERSTANDING, MS. MORRISON IS THAT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR A CITY AND ZONING REGULATIONS ARE GOV BOTH GOVERNED BY STATE LAW, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT. THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. YEAH. AND SO, BUT IMPORTANTLY THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLANS THOUGH, ARE NOT IN FACT ZONING REGULATIONS. THEY DON'T ESTABLISH ZONING DISTRICT BOUNDARIES AND THAT, UH, THE CITY IN BODIES LIKE THIS ARE ALLOWED TO ZONE AS THEY SEE FIT. IS THAT CORRECT AS WELL? THAT'S RIGHT. A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS NOT ZONING. IT'S A GUIDE, UH, FOR FUTURE ZONING DECISIONS. IN FACT, FORWARD DALLAS 2.0 SAYS ON ONE OF THE FIRST PAGES THAT IT IS, UM, A GUIDE FOR FUTURE ZONING. AND SO SURE DEVIATIONS FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ARE ALLOWED AND TEXAS COURTS HAVE UPHELD THAT. GREAT. THANK YOU MS. MORRISON. MR. BAD, A QUESTION FOR YOU. UH, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CASES BEFORE THIS BODY IN WHICH IT HAS APPEARED, THE CHOICES DO NOTHING OR DO WHAT THE APPLICANT WANTS. AND I THINK WE'VE HEARD MUCH IN THIS BODY THAT SB EIGHT 40 HAS CHANGED THAT CALCULATION. SO I WANT, I RECOGNIZE YOU CAN'T SPEAK PRECISELY, BUT COULD YOU SPEAK BROADLY TO WHAT THE ENTITLEMENTS WOULD BE UNDER SB EIGHT 40 IN TERMS OF NUMBER OF UNITS PERHAPS FOR A MULTI-FAMILY, UH, DEVELOPMENT? YEAH, HAPPY TO. UH, THAT QUESTION'S COME UP A LOT FROM, UH, I THINK OTHER COMMISSIONERS, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, ET CETERA. AND IT'S A DIFFICULT QUESTION TO ANSWER BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF VARIABLES THAT ARE JUST, THEY'RE OPEN VARIABLES. UH, WE'VE COME UP WITH A FEW CALCULATIONS THAT I THINK SOME PEOPLE HAVE PROBABLY HEARD NUMBERS BANDIED ABOUT BETWEEN LET'S SAY 500, 800 DWELLING UNITS. AND I WANT TO JUST, I THINK I CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTION BY JUST GIVING SOME CONTEXT AND EXPLAINING HOW WE ARRIVED AT THOSE NUMBERS, UH, BECAUSE THAT WILL PROBABLY PAINT A BETTER PICTURE THAN SIMPLY SAYING THE, THIS ONE PARTICULAR NUMBER. IF YOU WANNA FIGURE OUT HOW MANY DWELLING UNITS YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO PUT IN A SITE, YOU CAN START OFF BY LOOKING AT WHAT THE SIZE OF THE SITE IS. SO IN THIS CASE, IT'S ABOUT 7.2 ACRES. FROM THERE, YOU'RE LIMITED MAINLY BY LOT COVERAGE, WHICH IN CRS IT IS, RIGHT NOW IT'S 60%. SO YOU CAN SAY, WELL, WE KNOW THERE'S 40% OF THAT WHOLE LOT YOU CAN'T USE. SO LET'S TAKE 60% OF THAT. THAT GIVES YOU YOUR MAXIMUM COVERAGE OF, OF FLOOR AREA, NOT FLOOR AREA, BUT THE FOOTPRINT FROM THERE, YOU CAN ASCERTAIN THAT IF IT'S 54 FEET IN HEIGHT, IT MIGHT BE FOUR STORIES OF APARTMENT AND A PODIUM PARKING, UH, IT COULD MAYBE BE FIVE STORIES, BUT YOU MIGHT STRUGGLE TO GET ENOUGH PARKING IN THERE WITH THE 40% THAT'S LEFT OVER, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CONSIDER SETBACK SCREENING, ET CETERA. LANDSCAPING, UH, SO LET'S JUST SAY THAT IT WOULD BE AROUND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE WILL ASSUME FOUR STORIES OF APARTMENT, RIGHT? AND THEN PODIUM PARKING. SO YOU TAKE THAT FOOTPRINT AND YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY FOUR, AND THAT GIVES YOU AN OVERALL FLOOR AREA OF OCCUPY WELL OF FLOOR SPACE. FROM THERE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME AMOUNT THAT'S DEDICATED TO HALLWAYS, FIRE EXTINGUISHERS EQUIPMENT, UTILITY ROOMS, COMMON AREAS, UH, FITNESS ROOMS, SO ON AND SO FORTH. YOU KNOW, ALL THAT EATS INTO THAT. SO WE CAN TAKE AN ASSUMPTION OF, OF ALL THOSE, OF ALL THAT FLOOR AREA, MAYBE 80% OF IT OR 85% OF IT'S ACTUALLY USABLE FOR ACTUAL DWELLING UNITS. AND FINALLY, WITH THAT, YOU WOULD DIVIDE IT BY A MEDIAN OR AN AVERAGE DING UNIT SIZE, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE REALLY GONNA COME UP WITH A WHOLE RANGE OF NUMBERS. BECAUSE IF THE AVERAGE UNIT SIZE WERE A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, INHERENTLY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE FEWER DOLING UNITS THAN IF THE AVERAGE UNIT SIZE WERE 500 SQUARE FEET. UH, I THINK AT THAT STAGE IT GETS A LITTLE OUT OF SIGHT OF OUR AREA OF COMPETENCY WHERE, YOU KNOW, I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHAT THE AVERAGE MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPER IS LOOKING TO BUILD IN THIS KIND OF AREA, WHAT THEIR TARGET IS FOR THEIR AVERAGE UNIT SIZE. UH, BUT WITH ALL THAT, ONCE YOU COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER, THEN YOU HAVE TO SAY, WELL, BASED ON THAT, HOW MUCH PARKING IS REQUIRED? UH, THIS ISN'T IN ONE OF THE TOD CATCHMENT AREAS, SO OUR BASE PARKING WOULD APPLY. AND FOR ANYTHING ABOVE 200 UNITS, IT'S ONE SPACE PER DWELLING UNIT. SO YOU'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PUT IN, IF YOU'RE SAYING 800 DWELLING UNITS, YOU NEED TO PUT IN 800 PARKING SPACES. THERE ARE SOME REDUCTIONS HERE AND THERE I THINK FOR PROVIDING BIKE PARKING, ET CETERA, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA TAKE A MEANINGFUL CHUNK OUT OF THAT. SO IT'S A LOT OF WORDS THERE TO BASICALLY SAY THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH A VERY THEORETICAL CEILING BASED ON THOSE ASSUMPTIONS AS I DESCRIBED. AND DEPENDING ON HOW YOU CHANGE THOSE INPUTS, YOU'LL GET DIFFERENT DWELLING UNIT NUMBERS. AND EVEN WITH ALL THAT, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER HOW YOU PROVISION YOUR PARKING, HOW YOU HAVE YOUR ACCESS. AND BEYOND ALL THAT, ONCE YOU HAVE THAT TOP NUMBER AS MR. NAVAREZ I THINK WAS ALLUDING TO EARLIER, YOU CAN HAVE THAT THEORETICAL NUMBER. BUT ONCE YOU COME IN AND SAY, WELL, I WANNA BUILD THIS BUILDING WITH 800 [01:20:01] DWELLING UNITS AND I'VE FIGURED OUT HOW TO DO THE PARKING AND EVERYTHING, THEY MIGHT LOOK AT IT AND SAY, WELL, IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE NEED AN ENGINEERING STUDY OF TRAFFIC AND WHATNOT. AND THEN WITH THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WITH THE NUMBER OF WELLING UNITS, THEY MIGHT SAY, OKAY, THAT'S GONNA CAUSE THIS MUCH ADDITIONAL INCREASE IN TRAFFIC COMPARED TO BASELINE. YOU NEED TO MITIGATE THAT THROUGH VARIOUS MEASURES, AND THIS IS HOW MUCH WE WOULD CHARGE YOU OR WHAT YOUR PORTION OF THAT, UH, MITIGATION WOULD BE. AND WITH THAT ALONE, IT MIGHT NOT PENCIL OUT THAT NUMBER, SO THEY MIGHT HAVE TO SCALE IT DOWN, GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. SO AGAIN, I THINK A LOT OF WHERE IS THERE TO SAY THAT WE'VE HIT A ROUGH THEORETICAL OF LET'S SAY 600 UNITS, 700, BUT THAT REALLY IS LIMITED BY A WHOLE HOST OF FACTORS THAT WE WOULD JUST BE MAKING ASSUMPTIONS ON. OKAY. NO, THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONER COX? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I'VE GOT A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU. I'LL TRY TO WORK THROUGH THESE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. SOME OF IT MAY APPEAR TO BE REPETITION, AND IF, IF IT IS, I APOLOGIZE, I COULD HEAR MOST OF WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. UH, BUT ALSO I WANT TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE BENEFIT OF SOME OF THE NEWER COMMISSIONERS AS WELL, AND CERTAINLY OUR, UH, FOLKS IN THE, UH, IN THE GALLERY. MR. BATE, IS IT CORRECT THAT ALL FOUR CORNERS OF PRESTON AND ROYAL ARE MAPPED COMMUNITY MIXED USE WITH COMMUNITY REIT, UH, RESIDENTIAL IMMEDIATELY BEHIND THEM IN FORWARD DALLAS? YES. ALL FOUR CORNERS OF THE PRESTON ROYAL INTERSECTION, THEY'RE DESIGNATED AS COMMUNITY MIXED USE PLACE TYPE WITHIN FORWARD DALLAS. THERE'S ZONE CR COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, UH, THE SURROUNDING AREAS. I CAN PULL UP THE MAP HERE, BUT OVER HERE ON THE FOUR CORNERS, THERE'S COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL ALL AROUND. ON THIS SITE IN PARTICULAR, THERE IS SOME BUFFERING OF COMMUNITY MIXED USE PLACE TYPE TO THE WEST AND TO THE SOUTH. THAT NOA STRIP RIGHT THERE. RIGHT. UH, AND THEN SOUTH OF THERE, THIS IS THE T ZONING. THANK YOU. I'M FAMILIAR WITH IT. TWO OF THOSE CORNERS ARE MY DISTRICT. THANK YOU. UM, WOULD YOU AGREE THAT FORWARD DALLAS DESCRIBES, UH, COMMUNITY MIXED USE AS NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING RETAIL AND SERVICES? SMALL SCALE OFFICE LIMITED MIXED USE, LOW TO MID-RISE BUILDINGS, TYPICALLY TWO TO FIVE STORIES HEIGHT, THAT'S GENERALLY UNDER 60 TO 70 FEET CONTACT SENSITIVE TRANSITIONS REQUIRED AT ALL EDGES, NO TOWER FORMS, NO REGIONAL SCALE INTENSITY? I WOULD AGREE THAT IT HAS, I THINK THE MAJORITY OF WHAT YOU JUST PUT IN THERE. UM, I'D HAVE TO PULL UP THE EXACT DOCUMENT. I DON'T HAVE IT MEMORIZED VERBATIM. UH, BUT I WOULD AGREE THAT GENERALLY YES, IT CALLS FOR, AS YOU SAID, MORE NEIGHBORHOOD AND AERIAL SERVING USES AS OPPOSED TO THE REGIONAL MIXED USE, WHICH IS THE NAME IMPLIES AS MORE OF A REGIONAL SERVING ATTRACTION THERE. UH, IT DOES HAVE, I WOULD SAY, RECOMMENDATIONS AND GUIDELINES ON SCALE, ON HEIGHT, ET CETERA. UH, IT DOES MENTION THE TERM MID-RISE IN THERE. UH, IT'S NOT MUCH MORE HEAVILY DEFINED BEYOND SAYING MID-RISE, I THINK THINK THAT YOU WOULD USE GENERALLY ACCEPTED DEFINITIONS THERE FOR WHAT MOST FOLKS WOULD CONSIDER MID-RISE. UH, I WOULD ALSO STATE THAT IN ADDITION TO THAT THEY ARE GUIDELINES WHERE WE TRY TO LOOK AT, WELL, AS I, AS I STATED EARLIER TO COMMISSIONER HALL, WE WANNA LOOK AT THO ALL THOSE GUIDELINES IN TANDEM AND SAY, WELL, IF THERE'S A DEFICIENCY HERE, IS IT BEING MADE UP FOR ELSEWHERE, UH, IS HOW WE WOULD LOOK AT IT. OKAY. AND SO GIVEN THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING STRUCTURES OF UP TO 240 FEET, HOW DID STAFF DETERMINE THAT THIS HEIGHT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENDED INTENSITY OF THAT PLACE TYPE IN TERMS OF THE HEIGHT AND THE INTENSITY? I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S KIND OF TWO WAYS THAT WE LOOK AT INTENSITY. ONE IS THE ACTUAL USES AND THE SIZES OF THOSE USES. AND THEN THE OTHER IS THE BUILDING SCALE ITSELF. UH, THE USES THEMSELVES, WE WOULD SAY THAT THEY ARE ON PAR WITH WHAT'S GENERALLY FOUND ON THIS, UH, IN THIS AREA, ON THIS INTERSECTION, YOU DO HAVE LARGE RETAIL USES THAT DO BRING IN QUITE A BIT OF, UH, ACTIVITY. AND THESE USES I DON'T THINK WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF THE REALM OF THAT. AND IN TERMS OF THE SCALE, THE INTENSITY, THAT'S WHERE WE GO BACK TO THE VARIOUS LIMITATIONS THAT ARE PUT IN THERE FOR THE BUILDING FOOTPRINTS THEMSELVES. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HEIGHT, YES, 240 FEET OF A MAX HEIGHT IS A SUBSTANTIAL DEVIATION FROM WHAT'S GENERALLY IN THIS VICINITY. UH, BUT IT'S ALSO LIMITED TO 10% LOCK COVERAGE AND CONCENTRATED MOSTLY IN THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING. UH, THE VARIOUS SETBACKS, THE HEIGHT ZONES, ALL THOSE CONDITIONS IN THERE. WE VIEW THOSE AS WORKING IN TANDEM TO PUT IN SOME OF THAT TRANSITIONING. SOME OF THAT, SORRY, MY WORD'S ESCAPING ME AT THIS MOMENT, BUT BASICALLY DOING THAT SCALING UP WHERE INSTEAD OF HAVING 240 FEET IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO A ZONING DISTRICT THAT'S LIMITED TO 35 FEET, IT SCALES UPWARDS THAT THE MOST INTENSIVE AND THE HEAVIEST TALLEST PART OF THE SITE [01:25:01] OR TALLEST PART OF THE BUILDING IS PUT IN TOWARDS THE CENTER AS OPPOSED TO THE PERIMETER. THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT MORE COMPATIBLE WITH CMU VERSUS LESS COMPATIBLE, PERFECTLY COMPATIBLE. NO, BUT IT MAKES IT MORE COMPATIBLE, BUT, OKAY. I I, WELL, ONE, ONE OTHER THING I'D, I'D ADD, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO LOOK THESE AT THESE SET OF PRINCIPLES AND, AND THAT'S TRUE OF SO MANY URBAN DESIGN THINGS. I THINK ONE OF THE PRINCIPLES THAT'S PRESENT IN, IN COMMUNITY MIXED USE IS, IS, IS RIGHTLY TALKING ABOUT NEW DEVELOPMENT SHOULD TRANSITION ALONG THE EDGES TO NEARBY RESIDENTIAL AREAS WITH LANDSCAPE BUFFERING AND LOWER BUILDING HEIGHTS. AND THAT PRINCIPLE CERTAINLY APPLIED IN THE SITE PLAN. IT, IT DID COME IN WITH A HIGHER HEIGHT IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. ONE OF THE THINGS THE STAFF DID TO GET, UM, YOU KNOW, THEM TO, UH, ADJUST THEIR BUILDING WAS RECOMMENDED THEY, CAN YOU SPEAK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT, MR. PEPPY? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I'LL MOVE CLOSER. UM, WAS RECOMMENDED THAT THEY MOVE, UH, THEIR HIGHEST HEIGHT TO THE MIDDLE. THEY ADJUST THE LOCK COVERAGE AS, AS MARTIN SAID, AND, UM, HAVE SO THAT THAT TRANSITION IS, IS CODIFIED. UM, AND, AND WE BELIEVE THEY'VE DONE THAT. AND, AND SO THAT PRINCIPLE IS, IS IMPORTANT TO, UM, THAT IS A, THAT TWO 40 IS ONE NUMBER, UH, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER NUMBERS THAT LIMIT THEM THROUGHOUT THE SITE TOO. THANK YOU. SO, MR. BAD, IS IT ACCURATE TO SAY THAT THE PRESTON ROYAL PD INCLUDES MULTIPLE NEGOTIATED COMPROMISES ON LOT COVERAGE, SETBACKS, STEP BACKS AND HEIGHT, ALL OF WHICH DEVIATES SUBSTANTIALLY FROM WHAT THE UNDERLYING CR ZONING WOULD NORMALLY ALLOW? YEAH, I'D SAY THAT IT'S ACCURATE THAT IT INCLUDES SEVERAL NEGOTIATED CONDITIONS THAT WE WORKED THROUGH WITH THE APPLICANT THAT ARE IN GENERAL WHAT WE WOULD CALL, UH, LITERALLY DEVIATIONS FROM THE BASE ZONING WITH PDS. WE SAY DEVIATION IS WHERE YOU GET MORE ENTITLEMENT ENHANCEMENTS, WHERE YOU GET LESS ENTITLEMENT. UH, BUT YES, THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF DEVIATIONS, UH, BUT ALSO ENHANCEMENTS, AGAIN, THE LOCK COVERAGE. FOR INSTANCE, WITH BASE CR, YOU'RE ENTITLED TO 60% LOCK COVERAGE ACROSS THE BLOCK, RIGHT? FOR A MUCH LOWER HEIGHT, BUT 60% ACROSS THE BLOCK. UH, WITH THIS, THERE ARE ENHANCEMENTS THAT LIMIT LOCK COVERAGE AND INCREASED SETBACKS AS HEIGHT INCREASES. THANK YOU. AND SO DID STAFF CONDUCT ANY MASSING SHADOW OR VISUAL IMPACT ANALYSIS AS PART OF THIS CASE? NO, WE DO NOT HAVE, UH, SHADOW IMPACTS OR THE TYPE OF SUNLIGHT. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE. UH, WE DON'T GENERALLY HAVE THAT WITHIN OUR ZONING CASE REVIEWS. UH, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE, WE DON'T HAVE THE TOOLS FOR IT. I DUNNO IF MICHAEL WANTS TO ADD SOME MORE COLOR THERE, BUT IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING WE HAVE THE TOOLS FOR. RIGHT. AND IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT THE MASSING, THE ONLY THING I'LL ADD IS IS LIKE WE SAID, A LOT COVERS IS STILL A TOOL THE CITY CAN EMPLOY PRETTY, PRETTY STRONGLY TO, TO LIMIT THINGS. BASE LOCK COVERAGE 60, SO YOUR, YOUR RECTANGLE OF, OF, OR YOUR BUILD A BUILDABLE ENVELOPE IS 60%. THE AT ONLY AT THE GROUND FLOOR ON THIS ONE IS AT 45. SO YOU'RE MASSING, UH, WE TOOK THE, UH, WE TOOK THE EFFECTIVE HEIGHT, UH, UP TO THE VERY PEAK OF THE BUILDING. AND THEN THE BUILDING WALLS ALONG THAT, THE AVERAGE ACROSS EVEN UP TO THE TOP, UM, IS, IS 30.8%. WE NOTE THAT IN THE REPORT. SO IT'S A, IT'S EVEN ALONG THE HEIGHT. YOU'VE GOT 45 AT THE GROUND FLOOR, BUT A LOT OF THE BUILDING IS CONCENTRATED IN THOSE LOWER 54, UH, FOOT HEIGHT BRACKETS. AND THAT'S THE PORTION, THAT'S THE 45. BUT THEN AS YOU GO UP, IT GOES LOWER. SO ACROSS THE WHOLE STRUCTURE, IT'S 30. THAT'S THE MOST AMOUNT OF ANALYSIS WE'VE DONE ON, ON BUILDING MASS, BUT I THINK IT IS QUITE LIMITING, EVEN MORE SO IN A MASSING SENSE THAN CR. THANK YOU. AND, AND SO MR. PEPE JUST MENTIONED MASSING. UH, WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE USES HEIGHT LIMITS, SETBACKS, BUFFERS, AND STEP BACKS AS TOOLS TO MANAGE MASSING? YES. AND SO IT, IT, WOULD YOU ALSO AGREE THAT IN THIS CASE THE 200 FOOT, FOOT OR 240 FOOT TOWER REALLY OVERWHELMS ALL OF THOSE TOOLS? I WOULD, IF YOU'RE ASKING IF I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT, I'D SAY I, I DISAGREE WITH THE STATEMENT BECAUSE HEIGHT IS JUST ONE OF THE COMPONENTS OF MASSING, RIGHT? IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS ENTITLED TO 60% LAW COVERAGE WITH A VERY FIXED SETBACK AND A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF REALLY ANY HEIGHT, WHETHER IT'S 54 FEET, A HUNDRED, 800 FEET, IF THE ONLY THINGS THAT ARE CONTROLLING THAT ARE A FIXED SET OF SETBACKS AND GENEROUS LOT COVERAGE, THEN YOU'RE ENTITLED TO BUILD A VERY LARGE ENVELOPE BUILDING. UM, SOMETHING THAT COMES TO MIND FOR INSTANCE, IS THE, UH, THE WORLD TRADE CENTER UP, UH, UP 35, THAT'S A VERY LARGE BUILDING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH ONLY CONTROLLED BY SETBACKS AND HEIGHT. I THINK IT MIGHT BE IN A PD OR IT MIGHT BE JUST MIXED USE ZONING. [01:30:01] BUT POINT BEING THAT THAT RIGHT THERE IS A VERY LARGE BUILDING THAT'S ENTITLED TO A LOT OF HEIGHT. UH, IF THAT BUILDING WERE ON A ZONING DISTRICT THAT REQUIRED FURTHER SETBACKS, WHETHER IT'S THE ONES THAT WE SHOW HERE OR WITHIN OUR BASE CODE, THERE'S OFTEN TOWER SPACING OR URBAN FORM SETBACK. IF IT HAD LIMITATIONS ON LOT COVERAGE FOR HEIGHT, THEN THE ACTUAL VISUAL MASS OF THAT BUILDING WOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT. IT WOULD TAPER, IT WOULD SHELF BACK IN, RIGHT, IT WOULD STEP BACK. WEDDING CAKE, UH, IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT, A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN SKIN THAT CAT. UM, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT HEIGHT ALONE DOES NOT NEGATE THOSE OTHER TOOLS. IN FACT, THOSE TOOLS ARE THERE. AND THE WAY THAT THIS PD HAS BEEN WRITTEN, I WOULD SAY THAT THOSE ARE IN THERE SPECIFICALLY TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT OF WHAT AN ADDITIONAL HEIGHT ENTITLEMENT CREATES. AGAIN, IF IT WAS JUST 240 FEET ACROSS THE BOARD, THAT WOULD BE A MUCH DIFFERENT, MUCH MORE DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. I WOULD SAY THAT'S A BIG CAT TO, UH, TO SKIN THERE. THE TIGER. WOULD, WOULD YOU AGREE THAT HEIGHT AND MASSING IS STILL UNUSUALLY INTENSE FOR THIS LOCATION? I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S A DEPARTURE. UM, IT'S, YEAH, , YEAH, NO, I WOULD SAY IT'S A DEPARTURE. I WOULD SAY WHERE I WOULD HAVE TROUBLE IS THAT UNUSUALLY IS, I THINK IT'S A BIT OF A SUBJECTIVE STATEMENT. UM, IT'S A SUBJECTIVE STATEMENT. IT'S UNUSUAL IN TERMS OF, YEAH, IT'S A DEVIATION FROM WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE. THERE ARE FACTORS THAT ARE IN SUPPORT OF THAT, NAMELY THAT IT IS ALONG TO MAJOR THOROUGHFARES, ONE OF THEM BEING A STATE HIGHWAY IN ENCLOSED PROXIMITY TO THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY. UM, IF THIS WAS, FRANKLY, IF IT WAS OUT GREENFIELD IN ANOTHER AREA, THAT WOULD BE A VERY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE THAT IS DEFINITELY OUTTA CHARACTER. I WOULD POINT OUT THAT WITHIN ABOUT TWO MILES OF HERE YOU HAVE THE PRESTON CENTER DEVELOPMENT, FOR INSTANCE, WHICH THERE'S SIMILAR CHARACTERISTICS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA THERE IN TERMS OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT WITH VERY SIMILAR ENTITLEMENTS TO HEIGHTS AS WELL, UM, IS HOW I'D ANSWER THAT. OKAY. AND SO QUESTION, UH, SO HAS STAFF RECOMMENDED SIMILAR HEIGHT INCREASES AT OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD ADJACENT COMMERCIAL CORNERS? AND IF SO, CAN YOU GIVE ME A FEW EXAMPLES? YOU COULD, YOU CAN GET BACK WITH ME ON THAT IF YOU WANT. YEAH, NO, I, I DO. IT'S FRANKLY, I WOR I JUGGLE ABOUT 20 CASES AT ANY GIVEN TIME, SO I'D HAVE TO RUN THROUGH THE ROLODEX. UM, I KNOW THAT THE PRESTON CENTER DEVELOPMENT ITSELF, UH, WHICH THIS PARTICULAR EXAMPLE I'M THINKING OF IS MORE NESTLED WITHIN THE PRESTON CENTER. UH, I KNOW THAT WAS A RECENT CASE THAT MICHAEL WORKED ON, UH, THAT HAD AN ENTITLEMENT UP TO, I BELIEVE, 300 FEET. IT WAS, YES. A AND, AND, AND A ABSOLUTELY NO, THAT'S A, THAT'S A SPECIFIC QUESTION. AND WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT, WE LOOK AT EVERY CASE, CASE BY CASE CASE. SO ANY ADDITIONAL CASES THAT WERE TO EVER COME IN THIS AREA, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, ADDITIONAL SCRUTINY. SO I DON'T THINK THAT, UM, LOOKING AT THIS, THAT OTHER CASES ARE PRECEDENT OR THIS ONE, BUT I MEAN, WE APPLY FOR DALLAS CONSISTENTLY, I WOULD SAY ACROSS BOARD, ACROSS THE CITY, UM, COMMUNITIES OR COMMUNITIES. THEY, THEY HAVE DISTINCT CHARACTERS, BUT, UM, URBAN DESIGN, BROAD URBAN DESIGN AND POLICY PRINCIPLES TO APPLY ACROSS THE BOARD. BUT I, I LIKE YOUR QUESTION. UM, IT'S SPECIFIC AND WE NEED TO RESEARCH SOME . OKAY. THANK YOU. AND SO, MR. BAY, WHAT PRECEDENT DOES STAFF BELIEVE THIS PD WOULD SET FOR OTHER COMMERCIAL CORNERS SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, INCLUDING THE SOUTHEAST, NORTHEAST, AND NORTHWEST CORNERS OF THE SAME INTERSECTION, TWO OF WHICH AGAIN, ARE IN MY DISTRICT? YEAH. WELL, I'LL CAVEAT, AS MICHAEL MENTIONED AS WELL, UH, WE DON'T USE PRECEDENTS THE WAY THAT WE THINK OF IN, LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, IN COMMON LAW, RIGHT? WHERE WE SAY, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT'S THE LEGAL TERM? STA DECISIS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF, IF IT'S BEEN, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN DECIDED THIS WAY, YOU MUST FOLLOW IT. UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT THOSE FOUR CORNERS, FOR INSTANCE, I MEAN, LOOKING AT THE, I'LL PULL UP THE ZONING A LOT MORE SLIDES THAN I REMEMBER. THERE WE GO. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ZONING, I MEAN, RIGHT HERE, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE SOUTHEASTERN CORNERS, R 16, A SINGLE FAMILY, RIGHT? AND THEN IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THIS CORNER IS R 16, A SINGLE FAMILY, WHICH IS LESS INTENSIVE THAN NOA AND LESS INTENSIVE THAN MF TWO. UH, IF A, LET'S SAY A SIMILAR REQUEST WERE TO COME IN HERE, AND WE'RE GONNA BE VERY HYPOTHETICAL HERE, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE LOOK AT EVERY CASE ON ITS OWN MERITS, BUT OUR FIRST CONCERN WOULD BE THE SPACING. IT WOULD BE SETBACKS. IT WOULD BE HOW MUCH IS BEING MASKED CLOSEST TO THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT. IF A REQUEST LIKE THIS WERE TO COME IN, WE WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT [01:35:01] THE MAJORITY OF THE MASSING GO TOWARDS PRESTON AND ROYAL IN THOSE CASES, BECAUSE WITH SINGLE FAMILY AMELIA ADJACENT, YOU REALLY NEED A VERY STRONG STEP BACK OF ALL THOSE HEIGHTS AND THE MASSING, ET CETERA. UM, THAT'S I THINK THE MOST THAT I'D SAY WE CAN KIND OF ANSWER IT THIS TIME. WE DON'T REALLY DEAL IN THE HYPOTHETICAL OF HOW PRECEDENTS WOULD BE SET, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE DON'T USE PRECEDENTS THE WAY THAT WE COMMONLY THINK OF THE TERM. UH, BUT THAT BEING SAID, THOSE I THINK WOULD BE THE FACTORS THAT WE WOULD WANNA LOOK AT IS, WELL, IF YOU'RE GONNA GO WITH, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THIS MUCH HEIGHT, HOW MUCH OF THE BUILDING IS GONNA BE THAT HEIGHT? AND WHERE IS THAT GOING TO BE LOCATED? THE CLOSER IT IS TO SINGLE FAMILY, THE LESS COMPATIBLE IT IS, THE CLOSER IT IS TO MAJOR THOROUGH AFFAIRS, THE MORE COMPATIBLE IT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. AND, AND I UNDERSTAND PRECEDENT. I MEAN, I HEAR STAFF SAY A LOT THAT WE, WE REALLY DON'T REC, WE'RE NOT CONCERNED. WELL, I, IT'S DON'T NECESSARILY WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT PRECEDENT, BUT THE REALITY IS OTHER PEOPLE DO OTHER DEVELOPERS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WANNA DO THE SAME THING. AND AGAIN, WE'VE GOT THREE OTHER CORNERS AT THAT INTERSECTION THAT COULD EASILY, UH, COME ON THIS DOCKET BEFORE TOO LONG. SO JUST A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS, AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOUR, YOUR TIME. COMMISSIONER COX, JUST PLEASE KEEP IT TO QUESTIONS. SORRY, YOU CAN SAVE YOUR STATEMENTS FOR THE AFTERNOON. OKAY. IT'S COMING. HOW DOES STAFF WEIGH NEIGHBORHOOD INPUT AGAINST THE PROPOSED INTENSITY? YEAH, NO, GREAT. GOOD QUESTION. AND I WOULD SAY THE, THE FACTORS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AS, AS A STAFF IS WE NEED TO LOOK AT BEST PRACTICES IN OUR FIELD ADOPTED CITY POLICY. THAT IS, THE OFFICIAL MEANS THAT INPUT IS, IS, UM, INTEGRATED. SO WE USE FORWARD DALLAS. UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT A, A GOOD AMOUNT HERE AND, AND IN THE REPORT. SO THE, THE PLACE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD INPUT HAS GONE IN IS THE ADOPTED CITY POLICY OF, UM, OF, FOR DALLAS. UH, WE DON'T LIKE IN THIS SETTING FOR AN INDIVIDUAL ZONING CASE. WE DON'T LIKE TO BE THE ARBITERS OF WHO IS THE, THE VOICE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD WHO IS THE LEADER OF A NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN, IN OUR COMMUNITIES. UM, SO WE DO DEFER MOST OF THE COMMUNITY INPUT IN, IN A DIRECT SENSE TO MM-HMM . THE APPOINTED OFFICIALS AND THE ELECTED OFFICIALS. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, SO DID STAFF CONSIDER, AND I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS BASED ON WHAT MR. PEPE JUST SAID, UH, CUMULATIVE IMPACTS ON THE SURROUNDING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. I THINK I'D HAVE TO HAVE AN OPERATING DEFINITION OF CUMULATIVE IMPACTS ON, UH, SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. BUT, UH, IN TERMS OF THE IMPACT OVERALL, WHAT WE LOOK AT IS, WELL, HOW IS THIS, YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD THIS BE AFFECTING, AND JUST, NOT JUST THIS CASE, BUT ANY CASE, HOW DOES THIS AFFECT THE SURROUNDING AREAS? I MEAN, IF THIS IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A, A SUBDIVISION AND SOMEONE WANTED TO PUT THIS SORT OF ZONING IN, WE'D SAY THIS IS GOING TO HAVE VERY DELETERIOUS IMPACTS ON EVERYTHING THAT'S IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THERE. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ACTUAL IMMEDIATE SURROUNDING USES, WE DO SEE, AGAIN, THERE'S THREE CORNERS OF CR COMMUNITY RETAIL TO THE NORTH, NORTH, UH, EAST AND THE EAST. UH, AND THEN THERE IS THE NOA TO THE SOUTH, WHICH THAT WAS ONE OF OUR CONSIDERATIONS IS THAT THE HEIGHT LIMIT THERE IS MUCH LOWER. SO WE WANNA SEE TAPERING FROM THERE INTO THE CENTER. UH, ADDITIONALLY WITH THE MF TWO TO THE WEST, WE WANTED TO SEE TAPERING FROM THE WEST AS WELL. UM, THAT'S, WOULD, THAT WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT'S HOW WE CONSIDER THE IMPACT OVERALL. UH, ADDITIONALLY, AS MR. NAVAREZ EXPLAINED, WE LOOK AT THE TIA THAT'S DEVELOPED, THAT'S BASED ON CERTAIN ASSUMPTIONS THAT ARE, AGAIN, REVIEWED FURTHER AT PERMITTING WHEN THE FINAL SITE PLAN IS ACTUALLY SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW. UM, BASED ON THAT, UH, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT FOUND THAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WITH THE PROPOSED MITIGATIONS THAT WOULD BE YET NECESSARY. UH, I MEAN, DAVID, I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, DAVID, I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. UH, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WAS SATISFIED WITH THOSE FINDINGS, UH, THAT IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE, I THINK, A PREDICTABLE AND NOT EXTREMELY DELETERIOUS IMPACT TO THE SURROUNDING ROADWAY NETWORK IF MITIGATIONS ARE PUT IN PLACE, WHICH THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED AND IF THEY BUILT THAT SPECIFICATION. RIGHT. OKAY. AND THEN MY FINAL QUESTION IS, GIVEN FORWARD DALLAS'S EXPLICIT REQUIREMENTS FOR CONTEXT SENSITIVITY, HIGH TRANSITIONS AND PROTECTION OF SINGLE FAMILY PREDOMINANCE, WHAT IS THE PLANNING JUSTIFICATION FOR RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THREE STRUCTURES UP TO 240 FEET AT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ADJACENT CORNER? AND IN DOING SO, ISN'T IT IN CONFLICT WITH FORWARD DALLAS? I'D SAY THAT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT WITH THE COMP COMPATIBILITY WITH FORWARD DALLAS AND THOSE GOALS THERE WITHIN FORWARD DALLAS, AGAIN, IN TERMS OF CONTEXT SENSITIVITY, A LOT OF THAT IS BEING LIFTED BY THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, THE LOCK COVERAGE REQUIREMENTS, ET CETERA. WHERE AS YOU'RE GETTING CLOSER [01:40:01] TO THE LESS INTENSIVE USES, YOU TAPER DOWN IN HEIGHT, YOU, AND AS YOU GET HIGHER, YOU INCREASE LOCK OR YOU DECREASE LOCK COVERAGE SO THAT IT'S NOT CONCENTRATING AT ALL TOWARDS THE LOWER INTENSITY ESTABLISHED USES. I'D ALSO SAY THAT THE SITE ITSELF, IT'S A COMMUNITY RETAIL ZONE SITE. IT PREVIOUSLY HAD A MIX OF OFFICES AND RETAIL, AND SINCE THEN, UH, AFTER THAT TRAGIC TORNADO, IT'S LARGELY SAT UNDEVELOPED. UM, THE SITE ITSELF, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ZONED SINGLE FAMILY, IT'S NOT DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY. IT'S A RETAIL SITE. AND THE RETAIL SITE ITSELF SUPPORTS SEVERAL OF THE USES THAT THEY'VE, UH, PROPOSED. AND IT NOW, AS WE'VE MENTIONED IN SB 40, IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW MULTIFAMILY. SO THE USES THEMSELVES ARE, UH, ALREADY ENTITLED IN THERE. SO IN TERMS OF THE USES, UH, WE DON'T SEE IT AS A DEVIATION FROM WHAT'S ALLOWED IN THERE. AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL BUILDING ENVELOPE, THE ENTITLEMENTS FOR THAT, UH, WE BELIEVE THE, THE LOCK COVERAGE, THE SETBACKS, THE HEIGHT ZONES, ET CETERA, DO A LOT OF WORK TO MITIGATE THAT AND IMPROVE THE CONTEXT SENSITIVITY. BUT WOULD YOU AGREE THAT IT FALLS SHORT WITH RESPECT TO FORWARD DALLAS IN TERMS OF HEIGHT INTENSITY, THE SUBURBAN CMU SCALE CONTEXT TRANSITION OR CONTEXTUAL TRANSITIONS, COMPATIBILITY WITH MULTIFAMILY AND TOWNHOUSE BUILT FORM EXPECTATIONS FOR THIS NODE AND JUSTIFICATION FOR A 240 FOOT TOWER THAT IS GOING TO OVERLOOK AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA SAVE OUR COMMENTS AND OUR OUTBURSTS FOR THE AFTERNOON. THIS IS JUST OUR TIME FOR QUESTION FOR STAFF. THANK YOU, MR. BATE. . UM, I MEAN, WOULD I SAY THAT IT FALLS SHORT? I WOULD SAY THAT WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED EARLIER IS THAT IT DEFINITELY MEETS A LOT OF THE REQUIREMENTS, OR NOT REQUIREMENTS, BUT A LOT OF THE COMPONENTS OF THE COMMUNITY MIXED USE PLACE TYPE. AGAIN, THERE'S ABOUT 20 OR SO IN THERE THAT WE IDENTIFI AS THE VARIOUS THINGS THAT MAKE A PLACE TYPE IN THIS CASE COMMUNITY MIXED USE. WE'D SAY THAT IT HITS A LOT OF THOSE ON THE MARK, UH, MORE SO THAN IT WOULD IF IT WAS JUST A BASE ZONING DISTRICT, OR EVEN IF IT WAS JUST THE EXISTING COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT AND WHERE IT DEVIATES. I THINK THAT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR LOCK COVERAGE, FOR SETBACKS, ET CETERA, THEY DO A LOT TO AMELIORATE THE MUCH LARGER HEIGHT. GOT IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR PROFESSIONALISM. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. OKAY, NEXT. ANYONE ELSE WITH QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? WELL, I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS, BUT I'M ALSO COGNIZANT OF THE TIME, SO I'M HAPPY TO SAVE THOSE TO THE HEARING IF THAT'S PREFERRED. I SEE. GO AHEAD. OKAY. I WILL, UH, TRY TO BE DIRECT SOME OF THESE, I THINK, UM, MY COLLEAGUE ASKED, BUT I WANTED SPECIFICALLY GO BACK TO THE QUESTION ABOUT DEVELOPMENT CHARACTER, UM, FOR THE PLACE TYPE WITHIN FORD DALLAS. I THINK WE'VE RECEIVED INPUT THAT, UM, THERE'S NUMEROUS EXAMPLES WHERE THERE'S MUCH GREATER DENSITY, THERE'S EXAMPLES WHERE THERE'S MUCH LOWER DENSITY. SO WHEN STAFF LOOKS AT THIS AND LOOKS AT CHANGING CHARACTER IN THE AREA, HOW DO YOU BALANCE THOSE OR HOW DID YOU BALANCE IT OUT IN, IN BRINGING FORWARD THIS RECOMMENDATION? I'D SAY THE BIGGEST CONSIDERATION THERE IS THE, THE CONFIGURATION OF THE SITE, THE SIZE OF THE SITE, AND WHERE IT'S LOCATED. UH, IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE LESS INTENSIVE COMMUNITY MIXED USE DISTRICTS THAT, WHEN I SAY COMMUNITY, SORRY, NOT DISTRICTS, PLACE TYPES, THE LESS INTENSIVE COMMUNITY, MIXED USE PLACE TYPES AND HOW THEY'RE BUILT OUT AND WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED. THEY'RE TYPICALLY ALONG LOCAL STREETS OR MINOR THOROUGH AFFAIRS, UH, MINORS, NOT AN OFFICIAL TERM, BUT THEY'RE SMALLER SURFACE STREETS. THEY'RE TWO LANE ROADS, MAYBE THREE LANES IF YOU HAVE A MEDIAN, A MIDDLE TURN LANE IN THERE. UH, VERSUS ON THIS SITE, AGAIN, IT IS FRONTING ALONG A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE, ONE OF OUR PRINCIPAL ARTERIALS IN ROYAL LANE, AND THEN HAS ACCESS TO PRESTON ROAD, WHICH IS ALSO A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE AND A STATE HIGHWAY. UH, WITH ALL THOSE FACTORS IN MIND, WE FIND THAT, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE WAYS THAT IT CAN BE SUPPORTED BY THE BROADER AREA, UM, THAT IT WOULD BE MORE COMPATIBLE HAVING THAT ADDITIONAL INTENSITY VERSUS IN SOME OF THESE COMMUNITY MIXED USE PLACE TYPES WHERE THOSE AREN'T FACTORS OR THOSE ARE NOT THE SAME FACTORS, THEY'RE ON SMALLER, SMALLER ROADS. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND I, I KNOW YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW THE HEIGHT MAP HELPS BALANCE THE TRANSITION FROM, UM, SURROUNDING, UM, RESIDENTIAL AREAS. I SPECIFICALLY WANTED TO ASK, I BELIEVE IT'S BUILDING THREE THAT'S ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER. IT IS, I THINK THE, THE SMALLEST SETBACK WITH THE GREATEST HEIGHT. MM-HMM . AND THAT IS ALSO A LOWER DENSITY, UM, UM, ZONING TODAY AND WANTING TO UNDERSTAND, IT SEEMS, YOU KNOW, AS YOU WERE TURNING THAT CORNER, UM, ON THAT WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WAS THAT A CONSIDERATION, UM, TO [01:45:02] KEEP A CONSISTENT SETBACK RELATED TO THAT LOWER DENSITY? MM-HMM . OBVIOUSLY IT'S, IT'S CLOSER TO A MAJOR RIGHT OF WAY, BUT JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WAS EVALUATED. MICHAEL, LOOK LIKE YOU WANTED TO CHIME IN. I CAN SEE MORE THAN THAN YOU CAN WHERE I'M SITTING , UM, THE ADJACENCY, THE FULL ADJACENCY FOR, FOR BUILDING THREE. WHERE THAT IS, IS THE, THE, THE FIRE STATION PD, UM, WHICH IS ALSO IN AND IN, IN AND OF ITSELF IN, IN COMMUNITY MIX TOO. SO I THINK THAT LENDS ITSELF, WE, WE CAN HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS. I THINK, UH, SINCE WE, WE MENTIONED KIND OF SETBACK FROM THE STREET RATHER THAN SETBACKS TOO, OUR WHAT'S BEHIND US, UM, ONE KIND OF BENEFIT, THEY, I, I REMEMBER THE ORIGINAL, THE OLDER SITE PLAN HAD THEIR, UM, I GUESS THEIR OFFICE, THEIR BUILDING, THEIR, WHAT WILL BECOME BUILDING THREE WAS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SET BACK, UM, MAYBE WITH THINGS LIKE ROW OF PARKING, UH, I'D SAY A BENEFIT OF IT BEING CLOSER THERE, UM, GIVES THAT ACCESS TO THE STREET CLOSER. UM, BUT THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT IS THAT IT'S NOT A BUILDING, IT'S NOT AS MUCH OF A BUILDING WALL OR A BARRIER TO, TO DRAW PEOPLE INTO THE CENTER OF THE SITE AND ACTIVATE THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE RESTAURANT VILLAGE ZONE WHERE, UH, YOU HAVE KIND OF VERY HUMAN SCALE, UM, STRUCTURES THAT DRAW PEOPLE THROUGH WITH A VERY, WITH VERY ACTIVE USES BEING RESTAURANTS. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE, IT'S A BALANCE KIND OF, BUT BE, EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE GOT THAT BIGGER BUILDING ON THE WEST PART OF IT, THEY CAN DRAW, UH, IN A, YOU KNOW, THIS IS VERY KIND OF URBAN DESIGNY, BUT WE, YOU CAN USE IT AS A, A DRAW OF, OF ACTIVITY IN THROUGH THE SITE, THROUGH THAT RESTAURANT VILLAGE ZONE. SO I THINK THAT'S HOW WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT, THAT APPROACH AS A BALANCE. AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION WAS I CAN THINK OF ANOTHER, A NUMBER OF EXAMPLES WHERE, UM, WHERE IT'S INTERFACING WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC REALM, IF YOU WILL, WHETHER IT'S A STREET THAT THERE IS, AND I'M GONNA USE A, YOU KNOW, PODIUM TYPE EXPRESSION. AGAIN, IT'S STILL OFFICE OR WHATEVER THE USE MAY BE, RETAIL, AND THEN YOUR TOWER GOES UP MM-HMM . AND THIS DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY OF THAT TYPE OF LANGUAGE THAT'S UTILIZED IN THE OTHER COMPONENTS OF THE SITE. SO WAS THAT ANYTHING THAT WAS EVALUATED? I'D SAY THAT'S A, A BALANCE. I MEAN, THEY DON'T HAVE A PODIUM BECAUSE, UH, UH, THEIR PLAN IS MOSTLY UNDERGROUND PARKING, BUT, UM, A PODIUM CAN HAVE, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE. YEAH. YEAH, I KNOW ABSOLUTELY , SORRY TO JUMP IN APPARENTLY. UM, NO, AND, AND ABSOLUTELY, BUT I, I THINK THAT THERE'S, THERE'S TWO APPROACHES YOU COULD TAKE WITH THAT, BUT, UM, I'M, I'M GENERALLY AS A DESIGNER, NOT UNHAPPY WITH TALLER BUILDINGS NEAR STREETS, ESPECIALLY MAJOR STREETS. UM, THEY PROVIDE TO A DEGREE ENCLOSURE, BUT DEFINITELY SHADE IN, IN, IN, IN OUR SITUATION. BUT I DO THINK IT'S A GOOD BALANCE BECAUSE IN, INSTEAD OF HAVING LIKE A PODIUM, WE'VE GOT THE, THE TEASER KIND OF AREA OF THAT RESTAURANT VILLAGE ZONE, UM, THAT OPENS AND THEN COMES TO OPEN SPACE BEHIND IT. AND ONE FINAL QUESTION. THE BASE ZONING IS MAINTAINED IN YOUR PROPOSED PD. EVERYTHING IS GEARED TOWARDS A SPECIAL PROJECT. DOES THAT WOULD INDICATE TO ME THAT THE BASE IS, IS ACCEPT, I'M, I'M TRYING TO, I'M STRUGGLING FOR THE CORRECT WORD. MM-HMM . WHY WAS A REVISED BASE NOT CONSIDERED IN THIS PD? I THINK IN TERMS OF, YEAH, WHY NO, WHY NO REVISED BASE FOR THE, UM, I THINK YOU COULD DEFINITELY GO WITH DIFFERENT REVISED BASES THAT WOULD INCREASE THE ENTITLEMENTS IN HERE. UH, IN TERMS OF HOW THE REQUEST CAME IN AND JUST WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED HERE. UH, WE WOULDN'T SAY THAT IN GENERAL CR ITSELF AS A BASE IS NO LONGER APPROPRIATE ON THIS SITE BASE. CR WOULD CERTAINLY BE APPROPRIATE HERE. UH, WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED IS, I THINK BY PUTTING IT IN THE, USING THE SPECIAL PROJECT THING, WHICH, YOU KNOW, HAS ITS PROS AND CONS, BUT USING THE SPECIAL PROJECT THING, IT DOES SAY THAT ESSENTIALLY UNLESS IT MEETS ALL THESE REQUIREMENTS, MAINLY WITH URBAN DESIGN, LANDSCAPING, IT CAN'T GET ALL THE OTHER ENTITLEMENTS. UM, IT SAYS THAT, OKAY, IF THIS PROJECT, IF IT MOVES FORWARD, THEN IT HAS TO MEET ALL THESE REQUIREMENTS AND WE'VE FOUND THAT THIS IS APPROPRIATE, HENCE OUR RECOMMENDATION. UH, IF IT DOES NOT GO THROUGH THEN WITH ENTITLING IT TO GREATER ZONING, OVERALL, YOU WOULD BE LOSING, I THINK SOME OF THE PROTECTIONS THAT ARE IN THERE. UH, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'VE DONE, AT LEAST WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IN MIND, CERTAINLY YOU COULD PUT IN ADDITIONAL SETBACK REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD BE WITHIN THE BASE ITSELF, ADDITIONAL TOWER SPACE AND REQUIREMENTS IF WE WERE TO MODIFY IT TO AN U ONE. UH, BUT WE JUST DIDN'T SEE IT AS, UH, AS NECESSARILY NECESSARY GIVEN THAT THE EXISTING ZONING IS SERVICEABLE. I, AND I, I IMAGINE IT TO, FROM AN APPLICANT'S PERSPECTIVE, IT'S TO SAY, WELL, [01:50:01] YOU, YOU GUYS ARE USED TO C AND IN THIS SITUATION, IT'S A PREDICTABILITY SITUATION. THEY'VE BEEN, THEY'RE EXPECTING, YOU KNOW, A PARTICULAR PROJECT. UM, AND, AND SO I WOULD IMAGINE THAT IT'S FOR PREDICTABILITY BEYOND THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID. YEAH. THANK YOU, MR. BATE. MR. PEPE, MR. CHAIR, UM, I'VE GOT A, LET ME FINISH ROUND ONE. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ROUND ONE QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER KAUFMAN, THEN I HAVE A COUPLE. YES, MA'AM. UM, I'M GONNA TRY TO MAKE MINE SHORT AND, UM, ON A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I THINK ARE EXTREMELY KEY TO THIS COMMUNITY AND TO THIS PROJECT. AND, UH, WHAT I DON'T HEAR IN ANY OF THE EXPLANATIONS OF ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE HEARD SO FAR IS THE, THE CONSIDERATION THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO THE WINSTON SCHOOL AND THE ST. MARK'S SCHOOL AND THE CHILDREN'S, THE, AT THE CHURCH RIGHT ACROSS COMMISSIONER THE STREET. OKAY. AGAIN, PLEASE HOLD OFF ON APPLAUSE. WE'VE GOT LIMITED TIME HERE. AND AGAIN, JUST QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, NOT COMMENTS AT THIS POINT. SO YOU'LL HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE COMMENTS THIS AFTERNOON. MY, OKAY. MY QUESTION IS, DID YOU AND, UH, DID GIVE ANY KIND OF CONSIDER EXTRA CONSIDERATION FOR THE UNIQUENESS OF THE AREA IN ITSELF AND THE KIND OF COMMUNITY AROUND THERE THAT WAS GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY THIS? I WOULD SAY THAT WE GAVE IT THE, I WOULD SAY THAT WE GAVE IT THE CONSIDERATION THAT WE GIVE EVERY ZONING CASE WHERE WE LOOK AT THE EXISTING ZONING ON THE GROUND, WHAT'S ON THE SITE, WHAT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT, WHAT'S NEARBY, WHAT THE PLACE TYPE SHOWS AS WELL, UH, IN TERMS OF IMPACTS, LET'S SAY TO THE SCHOOL AND WHATNOT. I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OF THAT CONSIDERATIONS WITHIN THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS, UH, WHICH THAT WAS REVIEWED BY MR. NAVAREZ AND HIS TEAM. UM, AND AGAIN, IT WAS FOUND THAT AS PROPOSED WITH THE MITIGATIONS IN PLACE, THE, UH, IMPACTS TO TRAFFIC FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE PRETTY IN LINE WITH JUST, I THINK THE BASELINE GROWTH MODEL FOR HOW TRAFFIC WILL INCREASE IN GENERAL. UM, AND AGAIN, MR. NAVAREZ WAS, I THINK, SATISFIED WHAT WAS IN THE TIA, AGAIN, BASED ON THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WERE IN THAT TIA AND IT, I MEAN, BEYOND THAT, I, I MENTIONED FOR THOSE WHO WERE HERE AN HOUR AND A HALF AGO IN A DIFFERENT MULTI-FAMILY CASES, IS THAT ONE THING WE LOOK AT? CAN YOU SPEAK UP? YES. ONE THING THAT WE LOOK AT, UM, WHEN LOOKING AT, UH, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL ENTITLEMENTS IS, IS VERY OFTEN THE AVAILABILITY OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE NEED. AND WHAT DO PEOPLE NEED? THEY, THEY NEED RETAIL, THEY NEED EMPLOYMENT, UH, THEY NEED TRANSPORTATION AND THEY NEED SCHOOLS. SO IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD THING, UH, A BOON TO HAVE SCHOOLS NEARBY TO WHERE HOMES ARE. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF HOMES NEARBY, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT CERTAINLY HELPS SUPPORT A DEVELOPMENT IS, IS, UM, ADDITIONAL EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES NEARBY. SO I THINK THAT WORKS IN ITS FAVOR, CERTAINLY. BUT WOULD YOU AGREE, AND IF SO, I'D REALLY LIKE TO KNOW THE REASON WHY WOULDN'T YOU AGREE THAT, UH, IN THIS DAY AND AGE IN THE C IN THE, UH, TIMES THAT WE LIVE IN SCHOOLS HAVE, ARE, ARE VERY CONSCIENTIOUS ABOUT THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF THEIR STUDENTS. AND WHEN YOU HAVE A 240 FEET TALL BUILDING, THEY SIT UP THERE LOOKING DOWN ON THE, THE PLAYGROUNDS, THE WHOLE ENTIRE CAMPUS. THEY OBSERVE EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON IN A SCHOOL, WHICH IS A VERY SERIOUS SAFETY FACTOR. DO YOU AGREE? I WOULD SAY THAT A LOT OF THAT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW ITSELF. AND WE, WE WE'RE NOT EXPERTS ON SCHOOL SECURITY OR PUBLIC SAFETY PER SE, OR AT LARGE. UH, THE SCHOOL DID NOT COME TO US WITH ANY SPECIFIC CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. UM, AND I WOULD JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. I MEAN, THERE'S, I AGREE THAT YEAH, THE SCHOOL SAFETY IS A MAJOR, UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S A MAJOR ISSUE IN OUR DAY AND AGE. UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT A, THIS PARTICULAR ZONING HAS AS MUCH BEARING ON THAT. I MEAN, I DON'T, I JUST DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A WHOLE DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, YEAH, WELL, SCHOOL SAFETY AND WHAT WE'RE ALL THINKING OF HERE. I WILL SAY, WES, WE WORK THROUGH ENTITLING SEVERAL SCHOOLS THROUGHOUT, THROUGHOUT THE CITY. THE TA SAFETY REQUIREMENTS ARE, ARE BOUND TO, TO, TO ALL OF THE SCHOOLS. UM, BUT WITH REGARDS TO HEIGHT NEAREST SCHOOL, IT'S NOT A, A COMMON CONCERN BECAUSE WE HAVE MANY, MANY SCHOOLS THAT ARE, ARE NEAR TALLER BUILDINGS. OH, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THOSE ARE. . WELL, I MEAN THEN MY QUESTION TRAVIS TAG THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF UPTOWN. THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS, UH, WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS AND, AND TRAFFIC MITIGATION THINGS THAT WERE IN THE, UH, ORIGINAL PLAN? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I THOUGHT IT WAS CONTINGENT [01:55:01] ON, UH, ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY, RIGHT? TURN LANES AND TRAFFIC LIGHTS. ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. UH, DAVID, I THINK COULD PROVIDE SOME MORE CONTEXT IF NEEDED BY, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME FROM ENGINEERING WAS THAT WE GENERALLY DON'T PUT TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND OTHER PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IMPROVEMENTS INTO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN. UH, DEVELOPMENT PLAN DEVELOPMENT PLANS ARE A COMPONENT OF ZONING, AND ZONING ITSELF DOES NOT DICTATE, UH, THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IN SO MUCH AS WHAT THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY LOOKS LIKE, WHAT SIGNALS ARE IN THERE, ET CETERA. UH, THE APPLICANT HAD ACTUALLY REQUESTED SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE FOR TALKING ABOUT THE, WHAT WE CALL THE APPORTIONMENT AND THE EXACTION. SO FIGURING OUT, WELL, WHAT ARE THE MITIGATIONS AND HOW MUCH DO YOU NEED TO PAY FOR THAT? UH, THE GUIDANCE THAT WE GOT FROM, UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS THAT REALLY ISN'T SOMETHING THAT GOES INTO THE ZONING DOCUMENT BECAUSE IT OCCURS DOWNSTREAM OF ZONING. YOU COULD GRANT THIS, LET'S SAY THE ZONING CHANGE GETS GRANTED. WELL THEN WHEN DOES IT TRIGGER IN THE, THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS? DO YOU HAVE TO PUT IN THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU BUILD? IF THEY GET ENTITLED TO ALL OF THIS AND THEN DECIDE, I'M JUST GONNA BUILD A A CHIPOTLE, UH, DOES THAT TRIGGER THEM PUTTING IN ALL THE MITIGATION MEASURES IN THERE? AND I DON'T SAY THAT. I DON'T WANNA SAY THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S CLIP. THE INTENT IS THAT, AGAIN, IN TERMS OF HOW WE LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND THE MITIGATIONS HERE, AS DAVID NAVAR HAS MENTIONED, THE TIA PROVIDES US A PICTURE OF, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO BUILD AND BASED ON WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, THIS IS WHAT THE TIA SAYS THE IMPACTS WOULD BE. WHEN THEY COME IN FOR PERMITTING WITH MORE DETAILED SITE PLANS, IT'S GONNA REQUIRE ANOTHER REVIEW. AND THAT REVIEW AND THAT TIA IS GONNA BE BASED ON EXACTLY WHAT'S BEING SUBMITTED. THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ENTITLED TO ANY MORE THAN WHAT'S ALREADY BEING PROPOSED HERE. UH, BUT WITH THAT TIA AT THAT POINT, THAT'S WHEN THEY WOULD START LOOKING AT THE MITIGATIONS REQUIRED, IF ANY, AND WHAT THOSE MITIGATIONS WOULD BE. IT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED, THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED. AND FROM THERE, THE APPORTIONMENT PROCESS OCCURS. UH, ALL THAT TO SAY IS THAT, UH, THE ADVICE OF MR. NAVAREZ WAS WE SHOULDN'T HAVE THINGS LIKE TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND DEVELOPMENT PLANS BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN ONLY COVERS THE AREA OF REQUEST AND THE AREA OF REQUEST DOESN'T EXTEND TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. AND FURTHERMORE, WE JUST, WE DON'T PUT THOSE IN ZONING DOCUMENTS TYPICALLY. WELL, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IN OTHER ZONING CASES AND PART PARTICULARLY DURING THE, UH, PD PROCESS, THAT THOSE INCENTIVES OR EXTRAS ARE WRITTEN INTO THE PD AND WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GETTING. SO NOT RIGHT. WELL, WE WROTE 'EM INTO THE, UH, ZONING ON HEV OUT AT LBJ AND HILLCREST. SO MY QUESTION IS WHY IS IT NOT WRITTEN SOMEWHERE SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND FOR SURE WHAT WE'RE GETTING. WE'VE GOT A, A, UH, FIRE STATION OVER THERE THAT CAN'T GET IN AND OUT, AND THAT'S WHERE ONE OF THOSE WAS GOING TO GO. OUR, I WAS JUST, UH, SPEAKING WITH, WITH OUR ATTORNEY, UH, LAURA MORRISON. AND YEAH, THE, I, WE ARE AWARE THAT IT'S BEEN DONE. IN OTHER CASES IT'S NOT GOOD PRACTICE. IT, IT CAN LEAVE THE CITY AND DEVELOPER, UM, IN, IN A VULNERABLE POSITION OR DEFINITELY THE CITY. UM, WHILE THE REQUIREMENTS ARE STILL COM COMPLETELY THERE IN OUR CODE AND, AND ALL OF THAT, IT, IT'S NOT A PRACTICE THAT WE WANT TO DO OFTEN IN, UM, FOR APPORTIONMENTS IN A ZONING DOCUMENT. THANK YOU. OKAY. MOST OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED. UM, SO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KAUFMAN AND COMMISSIONER SIMS FOR, FOR COVERING THEM. UM, I, I DID WANT TO JUST TALK ABOUT SOME OF, OR ASK SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER HEIGHT IN THE AREA YOU BROUGHT UP PRESTON CENTER. UM, AND ANOTHER AREA THAT COMES TO MIND IS NEAR PRESTON CENTER. UM, THERE ARE THOSE THREE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS ALONG NORTHWEST HIGHWAY. I THINK IT'S THE ATHENA PRESTON TOWER, AND I FORGET THE NAME OF THE NEW ONE. WHAT IS THE HEIGHT ON THOSE THREE? UH, I BELIEVE THEY RANGE BETWEEN, UH, I MEAN I'VE GOT THE NUMBERS RIGHT HERE, UH, 240 TO 300 FEET. UH, PRESTON TOWERS, THE TALLEST ONE AT ABOUT 300 FEET. OKAY. AND PRESTON TOWERS ONE OF THE OLDER ONES BUILT IN THE SIXTIES, IS THAT RIGHT? I BELIEVE SO. OKAY. IT LOOKS ABOUT SIXTIES. GREAT AESTHETICS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE'RE ALMOST AT LUNCHTIME, SO COMMISSIONER WHEELER, ONE MORE. YEAH. UM, THIS IS DE DEFINITELY TOWARDS STAFF 'CAUSE I WANNA UNDERSTAND FORWARD DALLAS AND HOW IT APPLIES TO THIS LOCATION THAT IS GETTING TREMENDOUS DENSITY AND THE PREVIOUS CASE THAT YOU ALL RECOMMENDED FOR DENIAL IN THIS SAME PACKAGE THAT SITS CLOSE TO AID EXPRESSWAY. AND SO I, AND IT HAS LOW DENSITY, WHICH IS ABOUT 75 UNITS. SO I'M I MR. LEY, CAN YOU START? UM, SO, SO I I, AS WE'RE SITTING HERE HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE DENSITY, THIS, UM, THE PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY, UM, THAT HAS TREMENDOUS DENSITY IN HEIGHT. UM, AND I THINK I ASKED HOW DID WE COME, COME TO A DENIAL ON 13 [02:00:01] THAT, UM, AND WE'RE FOLLOWING SOME PARTS OF FORWARD DALLAS, AND HOW DOES THIS, HOW DID YOU ALL COME TO THAT HEIGHT THERE, BUT DENIAL ON THIS CASE? UM, I, I DON'T WANNA TALK TOO MUCH ABOUT A, A DIFFERENT CASE, BUT I WILL USE THIS ONE AS A CON CONVERSE EXAMPLE. ONE OF THE THINGS WE SAID IS, AND WE WILL SAY FOR ANY RESIDENTIAL CASE, BECAUSE WE'RE A QUALITY OF LIFE DEPARTMENT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, UM, WILL PEOPLE IN A DEVELOPMENT HAVE ACCESS TO THE THINGS THAT, THAT THEY NEED TO LIVE A QUALITY LIFE? UM, I THINK I SAID THAT, THAT IN THAT OTHER CASE, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE. IT WAS, WAS WHAT I WOULD CALL ISOLATED. I, I WOULD NOT SAY THAT THIS IS AN ISOLATED LOCATION BECAUSE THEY HAVE SIGNIFICANT ACCESS TO EDUCATIONAL RESOURCES, RETAIL, UH, EMPLOYMENT, TRANSPORTATION, RESOURCES, TRANSIT, UM, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. I THINK THAT, AND SO IN MY, MY, MY, MY CONSIDERATION FOR THAT IS, AND I THINK THAT, UM, MAYBE THAT WAS PART OF WHEN, UM, OUR CHAIR WAS ASKING, BUT THIS COMMUNITY HAS ASKED FOR THOSE THINGS. AND WHEN THEY'VE ASKED FOR, IN ORDER TO GET THESE THINGS, THEY'RE GONNA NEED SOME DENSITY. AND, BUT ON, ON THIS END, THIS DENSITY IS TREMENDOUSLY HIGH AND, UM, AND THE COMMUNITY NECESSARILY DON'T WANT IT. UM, AND IT WHERE IT COULD BE LOWERED, IT'S NOT THAT THEY DON'T WANT ANY, IT'S TOO HIGH FOR THEM AND THEY WANT, THEY WANT IT LOWERED. SO I'M, I'M CONFUSED. I, AND, BUT I WILL ASK THEM BRIEFING DEFINITELY DURING THE NEXT SECTION. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. YEAH, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UM, MR. BATES, WE SEE BLOCK WIDE DEVELOPMENTS OF THIS SIZE PRETTY FREQUENTLY DOWN HERE, DON'T WE? IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY? I'D SAY THAT WE GET LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENTS PRETTY FREQUENTLY, YES. YEAH. FOR EXAMPLE, THE, A BURGE PROJECT ON KNOX AND KATY TRAIL MM-HMM . AND THAT'S ADJACENT TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, ISN'T IT? YES MA'AM. AND THE TALLEST TOWER ON THAT PROJECT IS OVER 400 FEET. I'LL DEFER TO YOUR JUDGMENT ON THAT ONE. I WASN'T AS FAMILIAR WITH THAT CASE, BUT YES. OKAY. DID THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THIS CASE RAISE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS PROJECT THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE TYPICALLY HEAR WITH REGARDS TO PROJECTS LIKE THIS IN SETTINGS WHERE YOU HAVE LOWER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL? UM, I WOULD SAY THAT THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED, I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO KIND OF LIKE, I GUESS I DON'T WANNA GET TOO OUTSIDE JUST THE SCOPE OF LIKE WHAT THE ZONING, YOU KNOW, THE CASE ITSELF. BUT I WOULD SAY THAT WE HEARD A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT HEIGHT, ABOUT COMPATIBILITY WITH THE AREA. UH, AND I WOULD SAY THAT THAT IS OFTEN THE CONCERN THAT IS RAISED IN SIMILAR CASES. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. IT IS 12:37 PM AND THAT WILL CONCLUDE THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION. WE WILL BE BACK AT 1:00 PM FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. IT IS [CALL TO ORDER] THURSDAY, AUGUST 6TH, 2026 AT 1:06 PM AND THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION. CAN WE START WITH A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER SIMS. I'M HERE. DISTRICT TWO. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. PRESENT DISTRICT THREE. VICE CHAIR. HERBERT PRESENT, DISTRICT FOUR. COMMISSIONER GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FIVE. COMMISSIONER SERATO. SORRY. DISTRICT SIX. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. PRESENT? DISTRICT SEVEN. COMMISSIONER WHEELER REAGAN. DISTRICT EIGHT. COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN PRESENT? DISTRICT NINE. COMMISSIONER KONZ. HERE. DISTRICT 10. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. PRESENT? DISTRICT 11. COMMISSIONER COX? STILL HERE. DISTRICT 12, COMMISSIONER KAUFMAN. HERE. DISTRICT 13. COMMISSIONER HALL HERE. DISTRICT 14, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON HERE AND PLACE 15 CHAIR RUBIN? I'M HERE. YOU HAVE QUORUM, SIR? GREAT. THANK YOU. . COMMISSIONER WHEELER, REAGAN. ALRIGHT, UH, THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR JOINING US THIS AFTERNOON. JUST A FEW HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS. UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVEN'T JOINED, UM, JOINED US BEFORE. UM, THERE ARE YELLOW SHEETS DOWN AT THE BOTTOM. I HOPE WE, WE HAVE REPLENISHED THEM IF WE DON'T, IF WE'RE OUT, UH, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK, PLEASE FILL OUT ONE OF THOSE YELLOW SHEETS SO WE HAVE A RECORD OF YOU JOINING US TO SPEAK. AND ALSO WHEN YOU START YOUR COMMENTS AT THE PODIUM, PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR OUR RECORDS. UM, OUR RULES, UM, GENERALLY ALLOW THREE MINUTES [02:05:01] PER SPEAKER PER ITEM AND IF THERE'S OPPOSITION, THEY GIVE THE, UH, APPLICANT A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL, BUT THEY DO ALLOW US TO VARY THE TIME FROM ITEM TO ITEM. SO ON CASE NUMBER 14, WE ARE GOING TO DO A MINUTE AND A HALF PER SPEAKER. AND [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] WITH THAT WE WILL MOVE INTO, OR BEFORE THAT I WILL RECOGNIZE COMMISSIONER HALL FOR A MOTION ON OUR JULY 23RD MINUTES. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UH, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES FOR THE JULY 23RD, 2026 CPC MEETING. GREAT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HALL FOR YOUR MOTION. VICE CHAIR HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION SAYING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT. WE HAD [1. 26-2516A An application for a new subdistrict for a mix of uses, on property zoned Subdistrict 4 within Planned Development District No. 462, Henderson Avenue Special Purpose District, on the southwest line of North Henderson Avenue, northwest of Fuqua Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to conditions. Applicant: Alexander Levine / 2117 Henderson Ave Owner LLC Representative: Katherine Durham / Winstead PC Planner: Lori Levy, AICP Council District: 14 Z-26-000100] A CONSENT DOCKET LISTED, BUT ALL THE ITEMS HAVE COME OFF FOR VARIOUS REASONS, SO WE WILL TAKE THEM UP ONE BY ONE. SO MS. LEVY, WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER ONE. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONERS, ITEM NUMBER ONE IS 2 6 25 16, A CASE NUMBER Z 2 6 100. THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SUBDISTRICT FOR MIX OF USES. IT'S ON PROPERTY ZONE SUBDISTRICT FOUR WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 4 62 HENDERSON AVENUE, SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHWEST LINE OF NORTH HENDERSON AVENUE, NORTHWEST OF FUQUA STREET STAFF. RECOMME RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS PER THE EMAIL SENT TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE HANDOUT, UM, TO THE COMMISSIONERS TITLED REVISIONS TO BRIEF CPC 8.6 POINT 26, UH, Z 2 6 100, DATED JULY 31ST, 2026. OKAY, IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ITEM NUMBER ONE? OKAY, THANK YOU. ANY SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? I DO SEE THAT THERE'S ONE SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION SIGNED UP ONLINE. ELLEN SELDEN. ARE THEY ONLINE? NO, NOT ONLINE. OKAY, THEN WE WILL GO TO COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF Z TWO SIX. 0 0 0 1. ZERO ZERO. A MOVE THAT WOULD CLOSE THE PUBLIC RECORD AND, UH, ADOPT THE PROPOSED CHANGE WITH THE FOLLOWING. CHANGE ON THE LOT SPACE, YARD LOT AND SPACE REGULATION. SUBSECTION E SUB SUBSECTION ONE, FRONT YARD MINIMUM FRONT YARD IS 15 FEET MINIMUM. FRONT YARD FOR SUBDISTRICT A IS 10 FEET MAXIMUM FRONT YARD IS 30 FEET. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION. UH, THERE'S ONE MORE CHANGE. OH, AND THEN ALSO IN SAME SECTION, SUBSECTION E YARD LOT AND SPACE REGULATION. SUB SUBSECTION ONE, FRONT YARD, IT WOULD READ THE SAME MINIMUM FRONT YARD IS 15 FEET MINIMUM. FRONT YARD FOR SUBDISTRICT A IS 10 FEET MAXIMUM FRONT YARD IS 30 FEET. THERE'S TWO PLACES IN THE LANGUAGE WHERE THAT'S REPEATED. SO THAT CHANGE WOULD BE BOTH PLACES. OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER SIMS FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? I JUST HAD ONE. I JUST HAD ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION, IS THAT SUBDISTRICT FIVE A? YES. DID I SAY SOMETHING ELSE? IT'S D SUBDISTRICT FIVE A? YES. CHAIR COMMISSIONER KAUFMAN. OH, OKAY. ALRIGHT, NO PROBLEM. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON ITEM ONE? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE [2. 26-2517A An application for (1) Subdistrict 1, Subarea B on property zoned SD-D South Dallas Duplex Subdistrict; and (2) an amendment to and expansion of Specific Use Permit No. 2530 for a commercial parking lot or garage use on property zoned Subarea B, Subdistrict 1 Planned Development District No. 595, the South Dallas/Fair Park Special Purpose District, between S.M. Wright Frwy, Pennsylvania Avenue and Peabody Avenue, and I-45 Fwy. Staff Recommendation: Approval of 1) Subdistrict 1, Subarea B on property zoned SD-D South Dallas Duplex Subdistrict within PD 595; 2) an amendment to and expansion of Specific Use Permit No. 2530 for a five-year period, subject to a site plan and conditions. Applicant: Rob Baldwin / Baldwin Associates, LLC Planner: Mona Hashemi Council District: 7 Z-26-000108] A CONFLICT IN ITEMS 2, 3, 4, SO I'M GONNA BE STEPPING OUT AND COMMISSIONER OR VICE CHAIR HERBERT WILL TAKE OVER. OKAY, DR. MONA. ITEM ITEM Z 26 0 0 0 1, 0 8. AND APPLICATION FOR ONE, SUBDISTRICT ONE. SUB AREA B ON PROPERTY ZONE SDD, SOUTH DALLAS, [02:10:01] DUPLEX DISTRICT SUBDISTRICT, AND TWO, AN AMENDMENT TO AN EXPANSION OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. NUMBER 25 30 FOR A COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT OR GARAGE USE ON PROPERTY ZONED SUB AREA B SUB-DISTRICT ONE, UH, PLANT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 5 95, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK, A SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT BETWEEN SM RIGHT THREE PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE, PEABODY AVENUE, AND I 45 FREEWAY STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF ONE SUB-DISTRICT, ONE SUB AREA BEYOND PROPERTY ZONE SOUTH DALLAS DUPLEX SUB-DISTRICT WITHIN 5 95 AND TWO. AND, UM, AMENDMENT TO AN EXPANSION OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, 25 30 FOR A FIVE YEAR PRE SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. THANK YOU DR. MONA. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK, UM, IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT? ANYONE IN OPPOSITION? HEARING NONE. UM, COMMISSIONER WILLOW, YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO IN THE MATTER OF ZZ DASH 26 0 0 0 1 0 8. I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS OF APPROVAL. UM, SUBJECT TO, UM, THE STIPULATIONS IN THE, UM, THE CONDI SUBJECT TO THE, UH, SITE AND PLANS AND CONDITIONS. ALRIGHT, LISTED IN THE DOCKET. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE SECOND. UM, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, ARE THERE ANY, UH, COMMENTS? YES, TABITHA. I AM JUST SO REALLY PROUD THAT, UM, IT IS ALSO SPECIFICALLY SAYING SOUTH DALLAS DUPLEX DISTRICT, WHICH IS OUR NEW SUB-DISTRICTS IN SOUTH DALLAS, SPECIFIC TO OUR HOUSING TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NO MISTAKES WHEN THE GUIDE IN IS WHEN BUILDING IN SOUTH DALLAS, IT HAS BEEN ADOPTED. PERFECT. THANK YOU. IF THERE'S NO MORE COMMENTS, WE'LL HAVE A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. THANK YOU MR. ROJO. [3. 26-2518A An application for a new Specific Use Permit for a medical or scientific laboratory, on property zoned CR Community Retail District, on the northwest corner of McBroom Street and N. Westmoreland Road, [AKA 3407 N. Westmoreland Road]. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to a site plan and conditions. Applicant: Dung Nguyen / FHC Ventures LLC Planner: Jacob Rojo Council District: 6 Z-26-000098] WELCOME CASE NUMBER THREE, MS. MARK AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3 26 DASH 2 51 18 A UH, Z DASH 26 DASH QUADRUPLE 0 98. AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A MEDICAL OR SCIENTIFIC LABORATORY ON PROPERTY ZONE CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF MC, BROOME STREET AND NORTHWEST MORELAND ROAD. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. THANK YOU MR. ROJO. ANYONE HERE TO, UM, SPEAK ON THIS CASE IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION? SEEING NONE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, IN THE MATTER OF Z DASH 26 DASH 0 0 0 0 9 8. I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, BUT FOR A SEVEN YEAR PERIOD WITH NO ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTO RENEWAL SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS? THANK YOU FOR THE SECOND COMMISSIONER SING HEARING. NO COMMENTS. LET'S HAVE A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. THANK YOU. CASE NUMBER FOUR, [4. 26-2519A An application for a new Planned Development District for MF-2(A) District uses on property zoned R-7.5(A) Single Family District, on the northeast line of Cotillion Drive, between Ferguson Road and Dumbarton Drive, AKA [11440 Ferguson Road]. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to conceptual plan and conditions. Applicant: Austral Asian Capital, LLC / Kleo Hatziladas Representative: Baldwin Associates / Rob Baldwin Planner: Liliana Garza Council District: 9 Z-25-000059] LILIANA. ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS K KZ DASH 2 5 459. AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW PLAN M DISTRICT FOR MF TWO. A DISTRICT USES ON PROPERTY ZONED R 7.5, A SINGLE PALM DISTRICT ON THE NORTHEAST LINE OF CO COTILLION DRIVE BETWEEN FERGUSON ROAD AND DUN DUNTON DRIVE, ALSO KNOWN AS 11 4 4 0 FERGUSON ROAD. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND CONDITIONS. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY, OH, MR. BALDWIN, I SEE YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, ROB BALDWIN, 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B IN DALLAS. UM, THIS IS A REALLY GOOD CASE. I THINK IT, UH, IT'S A 2.7 ACRE SITE THAT IS CURRENTLY PART OF A, AN UNUSED PORTION OF A CHURCH, UH, THAT IS KIND OF STRUGGLING ON FERGUSON ROAD CHURCH WOULD LIKE TO SELL IT TO GET DEVELOPED SO THEY CAN PUT THE MONEY BACK INTO THE CHURCH. UH, WE ORIGINALLY FILED FOR AN MF TWO DISTRICT TO DO TRADITIONAL APARTMENTS ON IT. AFTER MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORS, UH, WE MORPHED INTO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR MF TWO USES, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE TOWNHOME STYLE, SO NO UNITS ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER. ALL THE, THE UNITS FACING COTILLION STREET WILL BE, WILL [02:15:01] FACE COTILLION STREET. THEY WILL HAVE LANDSCAPING AND THEY'LL HAVE INDIVIDUAL ENTRIES FACING ON A COTILLION. UH, WE HAVE MODIFIED OUR INTERNAL CIRCULATION. PUT A NICE BIG, UH, COMMON AREA IN THE MIDDLE. AND, UH, WE HAVE HAD THREE OR FOUR MEETINGS WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND THEY'RE SUPPORTIVE AND I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THEM ALONG WITH A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE FERGUSON ROAD INITIATIVE. WITH THAT, I, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND I HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS REQUEST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION? HEARING NONE. LET'S GET A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF Z 25 0 0 0 0 5 9. I MOVE TO CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM SUBJECT TO CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND CONDITIONS LISTED. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KUNZ AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR THE SECOND. ANY COMMENTS? I HAVE A COUPLE BRIEF COMMENTS. YES, I, I JUST WANNA SAY I REALLY APPRECIATE THE LAYOUT OF THIS PLAN. UM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT USE OF THE SITE, UM, IN LIEU OF EFFICIENCY. IT'S CLEAR THE APPLICANT HAS LOOKED FOR QUALITY IN THE DEVELOPMENT AND, UH, MAKING, MAKING SPACE FOR THE, THE RESIDENTS TO CONNECT AND GATHER. UM, SO MY COMMENTS, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? HEARING NONE, LET'S GET A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT, THE CHAIR CAN ENTER THE CHAMBER AGAIN. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL [5. 26-2520A An application for the CR Community Retail District on property zoned A(A) Agricultural District and for A(A) Agricultural District on property zoned CR Community Retail District, on the south corner of Ravenview Road and S. Beltline Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: 5900 Bonnie View Rd LLC / Shazeb Daredia Representative: S. I. Abed of DDC, Inc. / Shafiqul Abed U/A From: June 25, 2026. Planner: Oscar Aguilera Council District: 8 Z-26-000082] GO ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE. MR. AGUILERA, CAN YOU READ IT IN? UH, GOOD MORNING. UH, MR CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE AND COMMISSION ITEM I IS AN APPLICATION FOR THE CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT ON A PROPERTY ZONE, AA AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, AND FOR AA, AG AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT ON A PROPERTY ZONE CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT LOCATED ON THE SOUTH CORNER OF, UH, RAVEN VIEW ROAD AND SOUTH, UH, BELTLINE ROAD STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. THANK YOU MR. AGUILERA. ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT ON ITEM FIVE? I SEE THE APPLICANT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ONLINE. IS HE THERE? NOT THERE. OKAY. ANY SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, MR. CHAIR AND THE MATTER OF Z DASH 26 DASH 0 0 8 2, I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2026. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, UH, FRANKLIN FOR YOUR MOTION COMMISSIONER OR VICE CHAIR HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? NO DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NA. MOTION CARRIES ITEM NUMBER [6. 26-2521A An application for an amendment to Planned Development District No. 241 with consideration for a CS Commercial Service District on property zoned Planned Development No. 241, on the southeast corner of Haymarket Rd and C.F. Hawn Fwy, AKA 10600 C. F. Hawn Fwy. Staff Recommendation: Approval of a CS Commercial Service District. Applicant: Progress Land Development, L.L.P. / Dayspring Ministries of Dallas Representative: Pope, Hardwicke, Christie, Schell, Kelly & Taplett LLP / Byan Staats U/A From: June 25, 2026. Planner: Oscar Aguilera Council District: 8 Z-26-000091] SIX. ITEM NUMBER SIX IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 2 41 WITH CONSIDERATION FOR A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT ON A PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 2 41 LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF, UH, HIGH MARKET ROAD AND CF HUNG, UH, FREEWAY, UH, ALSO KNOWN AS 1 0 6 0 0, UH, SOUTH. UM, CF WICK, UH, FREEWAY STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL, UH, OF THE CS, UH, COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT. ALRIGHT, ANY SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT? YES, MA'AM. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS BRYN STOTZ WITH POPE HARDWICK AT 500 WEST WEST SEVENTH STREET, SUITE 600 IN FORT WORTH, TEXAS 7 6 1 0 2. UM, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT PROGRESS LAND DEVELOPMENT FOR, UM, THIS ZONING REQUEST. UM, THIS PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY EIGHT AND A HALF ACRES OF UNDEVELOPED LAND THAT HAS BEEN VACANT SINCE BEFORE THE 1980S WHEN THIS PD WAS FIRST APPROVED. UM, THE APPLICANT ORIGINALLY SAW A COMMERCIAL, UM, ZONING CHANGE. UM, WE HAVE SINCE, UH, SUBMITTED CONDITIONS, UM, FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PD 2 41. UM, THE MAIN CHANGE BEING THAT WE ADDED THE TECHNICAL SCHOOL AS A PERMITTED USE, UM, 'CAUSE I DO KNOW THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT THE BACK HALF OF THE PROPERTY AND WHAT IT WOULD BE USED FOR IN THE FUTURE. SO THAT WOULD BE LIMITED TO WAREHOUSE AND OFFICE USES UNDER THE CURRENT DEFINITIONS. UM, THIS SCHOOL IS AN ARC, ARC LABS WELDING SCHOOL. IT HAS ABOUT, IT HAS THREE BRANCHES IN TEXAS. UM, IT OFFERS FULL-TIME, FULL-TIME STUDENT DAY CLASSES, PART-TIME NIGHT CLASSES. UM, [02:20:01] AND BECAUSE IT IS ACCREDITED, IT OFFERS FINANCIAL AID AND FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE TO THOSE INTERESTED. UM, THE APPLICANT, UM, IS EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO HOPEFULLY BUILD ON THIS PIECE, UH, BUILD THE SCHOOL ON THIS PROPERTY IN HOPES, UM, IT PROVIDES A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES TO THOSE IN THE AREA. UM, SPEAKING AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING, I BELIEVE LAST MONDAY, UM, THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE AREA THAT WERE INTERESTED IN THIS TECHNICAL SCHOOL. AND SO WE JUST HOPE THAT THIS BRINGS, UM, JUST SOME INCENTIVE TO THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT ON ITEM NUMBER SIX? SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION. OKAY. COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN BACK TO YOU FOR ANOTHER MOTION. OKAY. IN THE MATTER OF Z DASH 26 DASH 0 0 0 0 9 1, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STATUS, RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. GREAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, EXCUSE ME, THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVALS FOR CS DISTRICT? I THINK HONOR. YEAH, THAT THAT IS CORRECT. I I THINK YOU WANNA APPROVE IT FOR THE, FOR THE PD AMENDMENT CORRECT? I DIDN'T SEE THAT ON THERE. SO JUST TO SPECIFY, GIVE A MOMENT BECAUSE THE APPROVAL THAT I'M RECOMMENDING IS FOR THE PD, UH, 2 4 1 WITH THE MODIFICATIONS AS DESCRIBED IN THE DOCKET REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT. REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, YOUR SECOND COMM OR COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION? NO DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. [7. 26-2522A An application for an amendment to Specific Use Permit No. 1851 for the sale of alcoholic beverages in conjunction with a general merchandise store or food store 3,500 square feet or less on property zoned CS Commercial Service District with a D-1 Liquor Control Overlay, on the south line of C. F. Hawn Frwy, west of Silverado Drive. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to conditions. Applicant: Marlow’s Enterprise Inc Representative: Jessica Fenley U/A From: June 25, 2026. Planner: Oscar Aguilera Council District: 8 Z-26-000095] ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. NUMBER 1851 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GENERAL, GENERAL MERCHANDISE STORE OR FOOD STORE, 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS ON A PROPERTY ZONE CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY. UH, LOCATED ON THE SUB LINE OF CF, UH, HUNG, UH, FREEWAY WEST OF SILVERADO DRIVE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS. THERE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM IN SUPPORT? HI, MY NAME IS JESSICA FINLEY, I'M A REPRESENTATIVE MARLOW ENTERPRISES. MY ADDRESS IS 1 1 8 1 0 CF HAN FREEWAY, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 5 3. I'M JUST HERE IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING. OKAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT ON THIS ITEM? ANY SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? ALRIGHT, NO FURTHER SPEAKERS. COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, ONE MORE TIME FOR A MOTION, PLEASE. YES, IN THE MATTER OF Z DASH 26 DASH 0 0 0 0 9 5, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFFS RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS WITH THE MODIFICATION THAT THE SUP EXPIRES IN FIVE YEARS WITHOUT AUTOMATIC RENEWALS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN FOR YOUR MOTION. UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? JUST A REAL QUICK, UH, COMMENT. UH, WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING, UH, LAST WEEK AND MS. FINLEY, UH, PRESENTED, UH, SHE HAD OVERWHELMING SUPPORT, UH, FROM THE COMMUNITY. SHE'S BEEN A PARTNER AND A COLLABORATOR, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY. UM, I MEAN, SHE'S DONE INCREDIBLE THINGS, UH, FOR THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AND THEY ALWAYS GIVE THEIR SUPPORT. SO I'M SO HAPPY, UH, TO, UH, TO APPROVE THIS SUP ON HER BEHALF. GREAT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES ITEM NUMBER [8. 26-2523A An application for an amendment to Planned Development No. 94 with consideration for a CS Commercial Service District or RR Regional Retail District on property zoned Planned Development No. 94, on the north line of W. Camp Wisdom Road, between S. Cockrell Hill Road and American Way. Staff Recommendation: Approval of RR Regional Retail District, in lieu of an amendment to Planned Development No. 94. Representative: Andrew Ruegg / Masterplan U/A From: June 25, 2026. Planner: Liliana Garza Council District: 3 Z-26-000073] EIGHT. UH, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS CASE Z 26 0 0 0 0 7 3. AND APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 94 WITH CONSIDERATION FOR CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT OR RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 94 ON THE NORTH LINE OF WEST CAMP WISDOM ROAD BETWEEN SOUTH COWELL HILL ROAD AND AMERICAN WAY STATUS. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT IN LIEU OF AN AMENDMENTS PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER NINE FOUR. THANK YOU MR. BATE. MR. RIG. GOOD AFTERNOON. ANDREW RIG, UH, 1341 WEST MOCKINGBIRD WITH [02:25:01] MASTER PLAN CONSULTANTS, UH, HERE REPRESENTING THE OWNER FOR THIS CASE. UM, WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO ACCOMPLISH HERE, THIS HAS KIND OF TAKEN A COUPLE DIFFERENT TURNS IN IT, BUT, UH, THERE'S ESSENTIALLY TWO BUSINESSES, THE AUTO CAVE AND CAR STAR REDBIRD AT THIS LOCATION ON CAMP WISDOM ROAD. UH, THIS IS PART OF AN OLD PD ORIGINALLY CREATED IN THE LATE SEVENTIES THAT LOOKED AT, UM, VERY SPECIFIC USES. SO WE'RE TRYING TO MARRY A, UH, CO ISSUE TOGETHER TO MAKE THAT WORK. AND THEN ALSO, UM, ADDING IN SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR THE POTENTIAL FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT SHOULD THAT OCCUR AT A LATER DATE. AND, UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS SHOULD THERE BE ANY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. RIGG. ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM? SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION. OKAY. VICE CHAIR. HERBERT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO. AND, UH, CAN YOU TURN YOUR MIC ON? THAT'S IMPORTANT. UM, I DO. IN THE CASE OF Z 2 63, UM, I MOVE TO DENY THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF A STRAIGHT RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT AND INSTEAD MOVE TO APPROVE AN AMENDMENT TO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 94 AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT AND INCLUDED IN THE AUGUST SIX CASE REPORT WITH THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE ORDINANCE SCREENING AND FENCING. ALL FENCING VISIBLE FROM CAMP WISDOM ROAD MUST BE OF, OF MASONRY OR ORNAMENTAL METAL CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTAINED IN GOOD REPAIR AND NEED APPEARANCE. CHAIN LINK FENCING IS PROHIBITED ALONG THE WEST CAMP WISDOM ROAD FRONTAGE LIGHTS, FREESTANDING LIGHTS MUST COMPLY WITH FOLLOWING LIGHTING LEVEL REQUIREMENTS. ONE WITHIN 50 FEET OF CAMP WISDOM ROAD RIGHT AWAY LINE MAXIMUM LIGHTING LEVEL SHALL NOT EXCEED A HUNDRED AND FOOT 150 FOOT CANDLES TWO WITHIN 150, 150 FEET AND BEYOND 50 FEET OF WEST CAMP. WISDOM RIGHT OF WAY LINE MAXIMUM LIGHTING LEVEL SHALL NOT EXCEED 75 FOOT CANDLES BEYOND 150 FEET OF WEST CAM WISDOM ROAD RIGHT AWAY. LINE OF REAR OF THE PROPERTY MINIMUM MAXIMUM LIGHTING LEVEL SHALL NOT EXCEED 20 FOOT CANDLES. ALL LIGHTS, EXCEPT THOSE NECESSARY FOR SECURITY PURPOSES MUST BE TURNED OFF AFTER 10:30 PM SEE, ALL LIGHTING MUST BE DIRECTED DOWNWARD AND AWAY FROM ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. NO LIGHT SOURCE CAN CREATE DIRECT GLARE VISIBLE TO PROPERTIES ZONED OR USED FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES ALONG THE NORTHERN AND NORTHWESTERN PROPERTY BOUNDARIES AND D ALL LIGHTING FIXTURES WITHIN 150 FEET OF CAMP WISDOM ROAD RIGHT AWAY MUST BE FULL CUTOFF OR SHIELDED TYPE SUCH THAT THE LIGHT SOURCE IS NOT DIRECTLY VISIBLE FROM THE CAMP WISDOM ROAD RIGHT AWAY. THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR HERBERT FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND DISCUSSION? YES, JUST BRIEFLY. UM, THIS WAS, UM, A, A SITE THAT'S BEEN ON THE RED BIRD, UH, THOROUGHFARE FOR QUITE A WHILE. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING IN THAT CORRIDOR AND WE'RE HAPPY TO SEE THIS BUSINESS HERE. THERE ARE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT, UM, ARE RIGHT, UH, DIRECTLY BEHIND THIS AREA, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE LIGHTING WAS CORRECT. UM, AND ALSO THIS PD WAS WRITTEN FOR THIS AREA AND HAS HELD STRONG FOR THIS AREA HOLDING, UM, DEVELOPMENT. AND I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO KEEP IT, SO THAT'S WHY I MADE THE CHANGES TO THE PD VERSUS, UM, GETTING RID OF THE PD AND GOING WITH THE REGIONAL RETAIL. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I DID HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION. I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S FOR YOU OR FOR SOMEONE ON STAFF, BUT, UM, THIS HAS THE LANGUAGE IN THE PD ABOUT NOT ALLOWING FURTHER MEDIAN CUTS. UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN LANGUAGE IN PDS ABOUT NOT ALLOWING FURTHER CURB CUTS, BUT THE MEDIAN'S PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC STREET. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THAT, IF YOU'D HAD A CHANCE TO FOLLOW UP AND DETERMINE WHETHER THAT'S APPROPRIATE TO MAINTAIN. YES, WE, WE DID SPEAK WITH ENGINEERING, UM, AND THEY RECOMMENDED THAT YES, YOU EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID IS, IS CORRECT. IT IS BEST PRACTICE TO REMOVE THAT TO, TO NOT SPEAK TO A MEDIAN RATHER THAN WHAT'S ON THE, UH, DEVELOPER'S SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT ROOM HAVING YOUR MOTION? STRIKE THAT PROVISION OF THE DID I READ THAT? I DON'T THINK I READ THAT IN MY MOTION. I DON'T THINK THAT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR MOTION. OKAY. IT WAS A, IT WAS A RECOMMENDATION IN THE DOCKET TO STRIKE IT. TO STRIKE IT. AND IF IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE MOTION TO ADD IT IN, THEN WE ARE GOOD. OKAY. SO YEAH, YOU READ, OKAY, SO YOU READ IN THOSE CHANGES THAT WERE CIRCULATED, BUT IT DID NOT INCLUDE THAT ONE, SO IT IS BEING STRUCK. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CLARIFYING. HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE, THE MOTION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. WE WILL GO ON TO ITEM NUMBER [9. 26-2524A An application to create a new subdistrict within the Downtown Special Provision Sign District on property zoned Subarea 1 of Subdistrict 155 within Planned Development No. 193, with a Downtown Perimeter Subdistrict SPSD Overlay, on the west corner of Woodall Rogers Fwy and N. Harwood Street, AKA [2123 N Harwood Street]. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to conditions. SSDAC Recommendation: Approval, subject to amended conditions. Applicant: William Preuitt of PE Parkside Tower, LLC Representative: Suzan Kedron / Jackson Walker LLP Planner: Liliana Garza Council District: 14 Z-26-000115] NINE. ITEM NINE IS CASE Z 2 6 0 115. AN APPLICATION TO CREATE A NEW SUBDISTRICT WITHIN A DOWNTOWN SPECIAL PROVISION SIGN DISTRICT ON PROPERTY [02:30:01] ZONE SUB AREA, ONE OF SUBDISTRICT 1 55 WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 1 93 WITH A DOWNTOWN PERIMETER SUBDISTRICT SPSD OVERLAY ON THE WEST CORNER OF WOODALL ROGERS FREEWAY IN NORTH HARWOOD STREET, AND ALSO KNOWN AS 2 1 2 3 NORTH HARWOOD STREET STAFF'S. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AND THEN THERE'S AN S-S-D-A-C APPROVAL THAT DIFFERS CORRECT OR OH YES, THE S-S-D-A-C RECOMMENDATION WAS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS. THANK YOU MR. BATE. ALRIGHT, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM? WE'LL START WITH SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON, SUZANNE KEDRON, 2323 ROSS AVENUE. THIS IS AN EXCITING SIGN FOR ME. I'VE BEEN WORKING ON SIGNS IN AND THROUGHOUT DALLAS FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS NOW. ONE OF THE FIRST SIGNS I WORKED ON THE SIGN DISTRICT WAS ACTUALLY THE DOWNTOWN SIGN DISTRICT. AND WHAT WE DID AT THAT TIME WAS REALLY ACTIVATE THE CORE. AND PART OF THIS ACTIVATION REALLY HELPS BRAND CITIES AND HELP BUSINESSES LOCATE THERE. UM, THIS PARTICULAR SIGN WILL HELP BRAND NOT ONLY THE TEXAS STOCK EXCHANGE, BUT DALLAS, UH, THE TEXAS STOCK EXCHANGE. CHOOSING CHOSE DALLAS AS ITS HEADQUARTERS, SPECIFICALLY RIGHT ACROSS FROM CLYDE WARREN PARK. IT'S ONE OF THE MOST NOTEWORTHY EXAMPLES OF Y'ALL STREET AND THE FOCUS ON DALLAS IS A BOOMING FINANCIAL QUARTER. TICKERS ARE UNIVERSALLY AND UNIQUELY SPECIFIC TO STOCK EXCHANGES, AND THESE DIGITALLY BRANDING MOMENTS WILL BECOME VISUAL REINFORCEMENTS OF DALLAS'S IDENTITY AND A RECOGNIZED FINANCIAL HUB. WE RECEIVED OVERWHELMING COMMUNITY SUPPORT FROM CLYDE WARREN PARK, DOWNTOWN DALLAS, UH, ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS AND NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS AS WELL. WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER AND I'LL BE BACK IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS ADAM MURPHY, 28 28 RUTH STREET, 7 25. UM, I SERVE AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE OAK LAWN COMMITTEE AND WE REPRESENT, UH, MORE THAN 200 MEMBERS WHO LIVE, WORK, OR OWN PROPERTY. IN PD 1 93, REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE TEXAS, TEXAS STOCK EXCHANGE PRESENTED THEIR, UH, STOCK TICKER TO OUR COMMITTEE AND OUR VOTERS. OUR, OUR MEMBERS VOTED NEARLY UNANIMOUSLY TO SUPPORT THE STOCK TICKER AS PRESENTED. WE THINK, UH, THE, THE OKLAHOMA COMMITTEE IS EXCITED TO WELCOME THE TEXAS STOCK EXCHANGE TO DALLAS. WE VIEW IT AS A TRANSFORMATIONAL INVESTMENT IN BOTH PD 1 93 AND OUR CITY. AND AS THE DISTRICT CONTINUES TO EMERGE AS THE CENTER OF DALLAS' Y STREET, THE EXCHANGE WILL FURTHER ESTABLISH OUR AREA AS A CENTER FOR BUSINESS INVESTMENT AND ECONOMIC GROWTH. THANK YOU. OTHER SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT. OKAY, WE'LL GO TO SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION. I'M GONNA NEED SOME HELP. I HAVE A POWERPOINT. SOMEONE FROM CITY STAFF CAN COME DOWN AND HELP YOU. THANKS, I GOT THIS. NO WORRIES. COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. NO, THAT'S NOT IT. , UM, TWO SECONDS. THEY WON'T COUNT IT AGAINST YOU IF WE, I'M SORRY. THIS PERSON? YES. YEAH, THEY WON'T SHORTEN YOUR TIME. OKAY. AND SO, UH, AND SO YOU CAN CLICK OR USE THESE ARROWS TO MOVE THROUGH AND THEN THAT'S JUST SPEAK TOWARDS THE MIC. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, MY NAME'S WALTER LEVY. I'M AT 2025 WOOD ALL ROGERS FREEWAY. UM, APARTMENT, UH, UNIT NUMBER 33, CONDO, UNIT 33. I'M ALSO AT THE CORNER OF HARWOOD. UH, THIS IS MY APARTMENT AND OH, BY THE WAY, FIRST I AGREE WITH WHAT THEY SAID, BUT WHAT I DON'T THINK IS THE RIGHT THING IS WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING THE SIGN. I'M NOT AGAINST THE SIGN AND I'M WOULD HOPE THAT Y'ALL WOULD CONSIDER POSTPONING THIS VOTE. SO THE ARCHITECTS LOOK FOR BETTER WAYS TO PUT THE SIGN, NOT JUST FOR ME, BUT ALSO FOR THEM. AND I THINK I CAN PROVE THAT, UH, THIS I'M THE SIGN WILL BE THIS, UH, THE IS 23 YARDS AWAY FROM MY CONDOMINIUM, AWAY FROM MY WINDOW. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS GONNA DRIVE ME NUTS. , THIS IS 10 FEET TALL. IT'S A COLORED SIGN, IT'S FLASHING ON AND OFF AND IT'S DAY IN AND DAY OUT. I KNOW IT STOPS AT 10 O'CLOCK, BUT BY 10 O'CLOCK I'M TYPICALLY IN MY BEDROOM WATCHING TV. UH, SO THIS IS ALL DAY LONG. SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, THE, [02:35:01] IT'S GONNA BE FLASHING. NOW THE, UH, AND YOU MIGHT SAY, WELL, WHY DON'T YOU SELL? WHY DON'T YOU SELL YOUR CONDOMINIUM, GO SOMEPLACE ELSE. WELL, I MIGHT DO THAT, BUT THE PROBLEM IS WHO'S GONNA BUY IT? AND IF THEY DO BUY IT, IT'S GONNA BE PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR AND THE OTHER THING'S GONNA DRIVE THEM NUTS TOO. , UM, LET'S SEE IF I'M DOING THIS RIGHT, I'M GONNA SKIP SOME OF THESE FOR TIME. IMAGINE YOUR HOME 23 YARDS AWAY FROM WHERE YOU SIT, WHERE YOUR FAMILY ROOM IS, WHERE YOUR, UH, DINNER ROOM IS, AND 23 YARDS AWAY, A SIGN, 10 FEET TALL, 30 YARDS, UH, 10 FEET TALL, 30 YARDS WIDE, 40 YARDS WIDE BLINKING ALL THE TIME. IT WOULD DRIVE YOU NUTS TOO AND YOU ALL WOULDN'T VOTE FOR IT. BUT THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES AND I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS GOOD FOR THE TEXAS EXCHANGE EITHER. I'M NOT AGAINST THE SIGN, I'M AGAINST WHERE IT'S PLACED. AND THEY SHOULD BE ALSO, THIS IS THEIR PICTURE BY THE WAY. THAT SIGN IS 10 FEET FROM THE, UH, FROM THE STREET. SO WHEN PEOPLE COME TO GO VISIT THE STOCK EXCHANGE, THEY'RE GONNA GET OUT. IT'S GONNA BE STRAIGHT IN FRONT OF 'EM. THEY'RE GONNA LOOK UP, CRANK THEIR NECK A LITTLE BIT, AND THEY WON'T SEE WHAT THE SIGN SAYS. THEY'LL HAVE TO CROSS THE STREET TO MY SIDE AND LOOK AT THE SIGN. IT'S NOT THE BEST PLACE FOR THEM. SO YOU MIGHT SAY, WELL, PEOPLE WILL SEE IT FROM THE PARK. WELL, THEY'RE NOT GONNA SEE IT FROM THE PARK BECAUSE HERE ARE THE TREES. UH, YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE PARK. SO MY SUGGESTION AS THEY SHOULD LOOK FOR OTHER ALTERNATIVES I SUGGESTED IN THE ALCOVE. AND THIS PICTURE SHOWS IN THE ALCOVE, SO WHEN PEOPLE GET OFF, COME INTO THE ENTRANCE, THEY'LL SEE THE SIGN, THEY'LL STOP, THEY'LL TAKE PICTURES, NEWSCASTERS WILL BE THERE REPORTING. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. UH, OKAY. UH, ANYWAY, I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU CONSIDER, UH, UH, GIVING US SOME MORE TIME FOR AL FOR THEM TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE PLACES. IT'S BETTER FOR THEM. THANK YOU SIR. AND FOR, FOR ME. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANY EL ANYONE ELSE IN OPPOSITION? OKAY, MS. KEDRON, YOU GET A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL. THANK YOU. CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION. I TOO LIVE IN A HIGH-RISE AND ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS PEOPLE DO WHEN THEY WALK INTO MY HOUSE IS GO OUT ON MY BALCONY AND LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. I ACTUALLY RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE. I THINK THAT THE SIGN WILL BE HELPFUL AS FAR AS PROPERTY AND RESALE VALUES IN THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TEXAS STOCK EXCHANGE IS DOING AND WHY THE SIGN WAS PURPOSELY AND INTENTIONALLY LOCATED IS SOME ACTIVATION WITH THE PARK. THE SIGN HAS A TWOFOLD, UM, MEASURE ONE TO ACTIVATE FROM THE PEDI PEDESTRIAN ORIENTATION. AND THEN SECONDLY, TO PRESENT INFORMATION AS IT RELATES TO THE TEXAS STOCK EXCHANGE. UM, WE HAVE TO PUT IN SEVERAL SAFEGUARDS INTO THE PE, INTO THE SUB-DISTRICT PER, UH, MR. LEVY, AS WELL AS OTHERS. THE LIKE DIMS BY ABOUT 95%, UM, AT DUSK. IT ALSO, WE HAD AGREED ORIGINALLY TO TURN IT OFF AT 11:00 PM AT NIGHT, WHICH IS THE SAME HOURS OF THE PARK. UM, AND THEN FURTHER WE'RE AGREEING TO THE S-S-D-A-C, UM, RECOMMENDATION OF TURNING IT OFF ON HIS SIDE ON HARWOOD BY 10:00 PM. WITH THAT I SEEK, UM, YOUR SUPPORT AND IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'M HERE TO ANSWER THEM. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF Z DASH 26 DASH 0 0 1 15, A MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW THE SSDA RECOMMENDATION AS OPPOSED TO THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST WITH REGARD TO HOURS? AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, I HAVE COMMENT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, YOUR SECOND VICE CHAIR. HERBERT, YOUR COMMENTS? YEAH, UM, I ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND THAT THE APPLICANT IS OKAY WITH THE CHANGE THAT SSD PROPOSED. UM, AND I ALSO, YOU KNOW, WANNA ADDRESS MR. LEVY AND A COUPLE OF OTHER FOLKS WHO HAVE REACHED OUT IN OPPOSITION TO THE SIGN. WE HELD PUBLIC MEETINGS ON THE SUBJECT OF TICKER SIGNS WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THE LOCATIONS FOR, YOU KNOW, AT AT LEAST THE LAST SIX MONTHS, WE HAD MORE THAN ONE MEETING AT OAKLAWN COMMITTEE. OAKLAWN COMMITTEE NOT ONLY WEIGHED IN ON TICKER SIGNS GENERALLY BECAUSE WE DON'T TYPICALLY HAVE THESE IN THE CITY, UM, BUT THEY WEIGHED IN SPECIFICALLY ON THIS APPLICATION. UM, WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF OPPOSITION TO THIS, THERE'S, THERE'S FAR MORE SUPPORT FOR THIS SIGN, PARTICULARLY WITH REGARD TO IT BEING THE ACTUAL [02:40:01] STOCK EXCHANGE. UM, WE MAY HAVE SOME DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS ABOUT OTHER TICKER SIGNS FOR NON EXCHANGE ENTITIES, UM, IN THE FUTURE. BUT FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UM, SPACE AND AND REQUEST, I THINK THERE'S OVERWHELMING SUPPORT AND I HOPE YOU WOULD SUPPORT THE MOTION. THANK YOU. FURTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM OR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, SEEING NONE, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, SECONDED BY THE VICE CHAIR. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT, [10. 26-2525A An application for a new Specific Use Permit for a bar, lounge, or tavern on property zoned Tract A within Planned Development District No. 269, Deep Ellum/Near East Side District, on the south line of Elm Street, west of N. Crowdus Street AKA 2650 Elm Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to a site plan and staff’s recommended conditions. Applicant: Sweet Bar Dallas / Marvin Regalado Planner: Justin Lee Council District: 2 Z-26-000135] ON TO ITEM 10. UH, ITEM 10, AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A BAR, LOUNGE, OR TAVERN ON PROPERTY ZONE TRACK A WITHIN P DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 2 69 DEEP ELLUM SLASH NEAR EAST SIDE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF ELM STREET, WEST OF NORTH CRO CRODA STREET, ALSO KNOWN AS 26 50 ELM STREET. STAFF. RECOMMENDATIONS, APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. OKAY, THANK YOU MR. LEE. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ITEM 10? ANY SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF Z DASH 26 DASH 0 0 1 3 5. I MOVE TO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL AUGUST 20TH. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER UH, HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER KAUFMAN FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? I JUST WANTED TO STATE WE'RE HOLDING THIS TO ALLOW FOR SOME STAKEHOLDER INPUT TO TAKE PLACE. THEY HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED FOR NEXT WEEK AND LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING THIS ON THE 20TH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SAY NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. ITEM NUMBER 11, [11. 26-2526A An application for a new Specific Use Permit for an alcoholic beverage establishment limited to a bar, lounge, or tavern and an inside commercial amusement use limited to a dance hall, on property zoned Tract A within Planned Development No. 269, Deep Ellum/Near East Side District, on the south line of Elm Street, east of North Good Latimer Expwy, west of N. Crowdus Street AKA 2638 Elm Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to a site plan and staff’s recommended conditions. Applicant: Trakass Bar & Lounge, LLC / Tomas Alonzo Representative: Audra Buckley Planner: Justin Lee Council District: 2 Z-26-000136] ITEM 11. AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ALCOHOLIC ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT. LIMITED TO A BAR, LOUNGE OR TAVERN AND AN INSIDE COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT. USE LIMITED TO A DANCE FLOOR ON PROPERTY ZONE. TRACK A WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 2 69 DEEP ELLUM SLASH NEAR EAST SIDE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF ELM STREET, EAST OF NORTH GOOD LATIMER EXPRESSWAY, WEST OF NORTH CRODA STREET, ALSO KNOWN AS 26 38 ELM STREET. STAFF. RECOMMENDATIONS, APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. THANK YOU MR. LEE. ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT OF ITEM 11? ANY SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? OKAY, SEEING NONE, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF Z DASH 26 DASH 0 0 0 1 3 6. I MOVE TO LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL AUGUST 20TH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, UM, YOUR SECOND VICE CHAIR, HERBERT, ANY DISCUSSION? NO DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. ITEM 12, [12. 26-2527A An application for a new Specific Use Permit for an alcoholic beverage establishment limited to a bar, lounge, or tavern and inside commercial amusement use limited to a dance hall, on property zoned Tract A within Planned Development No. 269, Deep Ellum/Near East Side District, on the south line of Elm Street, east of N. Good Latimer Expwy AKA 2610 Elm Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to a site plan and staff’s recommended conditions. Applicant: Carey Chan Representative: Audra Buckley Planner: Justin Lee Council District: 2 Z-26-000137] AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ALCOHOL BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT LIMITED TO A BAR, LOUNGE OR TAVERN AND INSIDE COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT USE LIMITED TO A DANCE FLOOR ON PROPERTY ZONE TRACK A WITHIN IMPEND ELEMENT NUMBER 2 69 DEEP EL SLASH NEAR EAST SIDE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF ELM STREET, EAST OF NORTH, NORTH GOOD LATIMER EXPRESSWAY, ALSO KNOWN AS 26 10 ELM STREET. STAFF. RECOMMENDATIONS, APPROVALS, SUBJECT TO SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS. THANK YOU MR. LEE. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ITEM NUMBER 12? ANY SPEAKERS AND OPPOSITION ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO AND I HAVE BRIEF COMMENTS IF I HAVE A SECOND IN THE MATTER OF Z DASH 26 S 0 0 0 1 3 7 I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND APPLICANT'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS FOR A ONE YEAR PERIOD. GREAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER SIMS, ANY DISCUSSION? UM, I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT MS. BUCKLEY IS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE AND AS USUAL, SHE UH, WAS VERY DILIGENT IN REACHING OUT TO THE DEBELL AND FOUNDATION AND HELPING, UM, GUIDE THIS THROUGH THE STAKEHOLDER INPUT PROCESS. UM, THEY ARE WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY. I THINK YOU NOTICED WE'VE HAD THREE OF THESE ON OUR DOCKET TODAY, SO THE OTHERS ARE IN THE QUEUE AS WELL, UM, FOR THEIR MEETING AND REVIEW AND APPRECIATE MS. BUCKLEY'S DILIGENCE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, ALL THOSE IN ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? [02:45:01] COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES. IS ONE YEAR THE REMAINING TERM ON THEIR LEASE? IT IS THE, UM, RECOMMENDATION OF THE D BOND FOUNDATION? YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SIMS TO FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, BUT SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND A ONE IN CONDITIONS WITH A ONE YEAR PERIOD. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. ITEM NUMBER [13. 26-2528A An application for MF-2(A) Multifamily District on property zoned R-10(A) Single Family District, on the north line of LBJ Frwy, south line of Sandyland Boulevard, west of S. Saint Augustine Drive. Staff Recommendation: Denial. Applicant: Akinyemi Akintoye Planner: Justin Lee Council District: 8 Z-26-000142] 13, AN APPLICATION FOR MF DASH TWO. A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE R DASH 10, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTH LINE OF LBJ FREEWAY, SOUTH LINE, SOUTH LINE OF SANDY LAND BOULEVARD, WEST OF SOUTH ST. AUGUSTINE DRIVE. STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS DENIAL. GREAT, THANK YOU MR. LEE. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES SIR. CAN YOU TURN ON THE MICROPHONE? THERE'S A THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. MY NAME IS ATO. ADDRESS IS 300 CREST STREET HILL DRIVE, MESQUITES 7 5 1 4 9 TEXAS. I AM THE APPLICANT AND BASED ON SOME OF MY CONVERSATION WITH THE STAFF AND BASED ON ALL THE TECHNICALITIES THAT WENT INTO COMING UP WITH THIS PROPOSITION FOR THEIER, WE HAVE THE SOLUTION ALREADY. MY TEAM AND I ARE OPEN TO HAVING CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A NECESSARY SOLUTION TO BE ABLE TO REDUCE THE CONCERN FOR THE STAFF AND BE ABLE TO GET THIS PRO PROJECT FORWARD. I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTION AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. THANK YOU SO MUCH SIR. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM? ANYONE ELSE IN OPPOSITION? I'M IN OPPOSITION OF THE RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE APPLICANT SO WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE A SUPPORTER. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR CLARIFICATION. OKAY. NO FURTHER SPEAKERS. WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN FOR A MOTION. SO IN THE MATTER OF Z DASH 26 DASH 0 0 0 1 4 2. I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2026. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? NO DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT, THE REMAINING [SUBDIVISION DOCKET - Consent Items] ITEMS WE HAVE BESIDES PRESTON ROYAL SHOULD NOT TAKE AN EXCEEDINGLY LONG AMOUNT OF TIME. SO I MENTIONED THIS AT THE, UH, BRIEFING THIS MORNING, BUT WE ARE GOING TO WORK THROUGH THOSE ITEMS AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AS POSSIBLE, WHICH I DON'T THINK SHOULD TAKE TOO LONG AND THEN COME BACK AND CONCLUDE WITH PRESTON ROYAL. SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR SUBDIVISION CONSENT DOCKET. GOOD AFTERNOON MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER. THE CONCERN IS IN THAT CONSIST OF SEVEN ITEMS. ITEM 15, ITEM 16, ITEM 17, ITEM 18, ITEM ITEM 19, ITEM 20 AND ITEM 21. ALL CASES HAVE BEEN POSTED FOR A HEARING AT THIS TIME AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND ARE ESTIMATED AT THE HEARING. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF OUR SUBDIVISION CONSENT? UM, DOCKET ITEMS 15 UNIT THROUGH 21. UM, I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT AND AT LEAST ONE SUPPORTER ASSIGNED UP TO SPEAK THESE WILL BE APPROVED OF IN A SINGLE MOTION. ARE EITHER OF THOSE, UM, SPEAKERS ONLINE, JOSEPH RAY OR SONG LEE? NO. OKAY. ANY UH, SPEAKERS ON THE SUBDIVISION CONSENT DOCKET AND SUPPORT ANY SPEAKERS ON THE SUBDIVISION CONSENT DOCKET AND OPPOSITION. OKAY, NO SPEAKERS. SO WE WILL GO TO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF THE SUBDIVISION. UM, CONSENT ITEM, DOCKET ITEMS NUMBER 15 THROUGH 21. I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET. GREAT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR A MOTION. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? NO DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES ITEM 22, [22. 26-2537A An application to replat a 5.410-acre tract of land containing all of Lots 1 through 14 and Common Area A in City Block 18/6128, and all of Lots 1 through 25 and Common Areas B and C in City Block 19/6128, to create 39 lots ranging in size from 2,001 square feet to 2,936 square feet, 3 common areas, and private streets on property located on Forney Road, west of Prairie Flower Trail. Applicant/Owner: Enclave Villas, LLC Surveyor: A & W Surveyors, Inc. Application Filed: July 9, 2026 Zoning: TH-3(A) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Sharmila Shrestha Council District: 7 PLAT-26-000127] ITEM NUMBER 22 PLA 26 DASH 1 27. IT IS AN APPLICATION TO PLET A 5.410 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOTS [02:50:01] ONE THROUGH 14 AND COMMON AREA E IN C BLOCK 18 OVER 61 28, AND ALL OF LOTS ONE THROUGH 25 AND COMMON AREAS B AND C IN C BLOCK 19 OVER 61 28 TO CREATE 39 LOTS RANGING IN SIZE FROM 2001 SQUARE FEET TO 2,936 SQUARE FEET. THREE COMMON AREAS AND PRIVATE STREETS ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON FORNEY ROAD WEST OF PRAIRIE FLOWER TRAIL. 36 NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON JULY 20, 20, 26 AND WE HAVE RECEIVED ZERO REPLY IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. THANK YOU MS. RETA. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ITEM 22? ANYONE HERE OPPOSED TO ITEM 22 THAT WANTS TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE? COMMISSIONER WHEELER. YOUR MOTION IN THE MATTER OF, IN THE MATTER OF PLATE TWO SIX DASH 0 0 0 1 27. UM, I RECOMMEND WE FILE A, I MEAN, OH WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FILE A STAFF FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOR YOUR MOTION. VICE CHAIR FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION SAYING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES ITEM 23. [23. 26-2538A An application to replat a 0.286-acre (12,500-square foot) tract of land containing all of Lot 17 in City Block 23/6890 to create two 0.143-acre (6,250-square foot) lots on property located on Kemrock Drive, west of Tracy Road. Applicant/Owner: JVR Tax Group, LLC Surveyor: Burns Surveying Application Filed: July 9, 2026 Zoning: R-5(A) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Sharmila Shrestha Council District: 8 PLAT-26-000165] ITEM NUMBER 23 PLAT DASH 26 DASH 0 0 1 6 5. IT IS AN APPLICATION TO REPLAT A 0.286 ACRE THAT IS 12,500 SQUARE FOOT TRACK TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOT 17 IN CITY BLOCK 23 68 90 TO CREATE TWO 0.143 ACRE. THAT IS 6,250 SQUARE FOOT LOTS ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON CAMBRIDGE DRIVE WEST OF TRACY ROAD. 25 NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON JULY 20, 20, 26. WE HAVE RECEIVED ZERO REPLY IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST. IN ADDITION, WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE REPLYING FAVOR AFTER DEADLINE. THAT'S TODAY AUGUST 6TH, 2026 AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. GREAT. THANK YOU MS. ESTA, UH, MR. ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ITEM 23? I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ONLINE. ARE THEY ONLINE? OKAY, ANY SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? ARE YOU HERE TO SPEAK SIR? I'M HERE. OKAY. WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM? NO, WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. , I'M WE'LL TAKE A VOTE IN JUST A SECOND. UH, COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES. MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF THE RESIDENTIAL RELA CASE PLAT DASH TWO SIX DASH 0 0 0 1 6 5 I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOWS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET. GREAT. UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? NO DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSING NAY? ITEM 24, [24. 26-2539A An application to replat a 0.9540-acre (41,556-square foot) tract of land containing part of City Block 44/8617 to create one 12,601-square foot lot, one 12,985-square foot lot, and one 15,970-square foot lot on property located on Mallory Drive at Seay Drive, northeast corner. Applicant/Owner: New Nest Properties, LLC Surveyor: Seth Ephraim Osabutey Application Filed: July 13, 2026 Zoning: R-10(A) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Sharmila Shrestha Council District: 4 PLAT-26-000176] ITEM NUMBER 24 PLAT DASH 26 DASH 0 0 1 76. IT IS AN APPLICATION TO REPLAT A 0.9540 ACRE THAT IS 41,556 SQUARE FOOT TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING PART OF CITY BLOCK 44 OVER 86 70 TO CREATE ONE 12,601 SQUARE FOOT LOT ONE 12,985 SQUARE FOOT LOT AND ONE 15,970 SQUARE FOOT LOT AND PROPERTY LOCATED ON MALLORY DRIVE AT SEA DRIVE NORTHEAST CORNER. 17. NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON JULY 20TH, 2026 AND WE HAVE RECEIVED ZERO REPLY IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST. STAFF RECOMMENDED IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. THANK YOU MR. ES. IS ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 24? OKAY, NO SPEAKERS WILL GO TO COMMISSIONER GILBERT SMITH FOR A MOTION IN CASE NUMBER PLAT 26 0 0 1 7 6. I MOVE TO FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE THE RELA SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ALD SMITH FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES ITEM 25, [25. 26-2540A An application to replat a 0.4362-acre (18,999-square foot) tract of land containing all of Lot 15 in City Block G/7590 to create two 0.2181-acre (9,499-square foot) lots on property located on Danieldale Road, east of Cottonvalley Road. Applicant/Owner: New Nest Properties, LLC Surveyor: Seth Ephraim Osabutey Application Filed: July 9, 2026 Zoning: R-7.5(A) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Sharmila Shrestha Council District: 8 PLAT-26-000177] ITEM NUMBER 25 PLAT DASH 26 DASH 0 0 0 1 7 7. IT IS AN APPLICATION TO PLET A 0.4362 ACRE THAT IS 18,999 SQUARE FOOT TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOT 15 IN CITY [02:55:01] BLOCK Z OVER 75 90 TO CREATE TWO 0.2181 ACRE. THAT IS 9,499 SQUARE FOOT LOTS ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON DANIELDALE ROAD EAST OF COTTON VALLEY ROAD. 12 NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON JULY 20, 20, 26 AND WE HAVE RECEIVED ZERO REPLY IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. OKAY, THANK YOU MSRE. IS THERE ANY SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT OF ITEM 25? ANY SPEAKERS AND OPPOSITION? NO SPEAKERS. COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF THE RESIDENTIAL RELA CASE PLAT DASH 26 0 0 1 7 7 I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFFS RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET. GREAT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN FOR YOUR MOTION. VICE CHAIR HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION SAYING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES ITEM 26, [26. 26-2542A An application to replat a 16.44-acre tract of land containing all of Lots 1 through 19, Lots 21 through 37, a portion of Lot 20 in City Block 1/6113; all of Lots 15 through 18 in City Block 2/6113; and abandoned portion of public rights-of-way, to create one 5.58-acre lot and one 10.86-acre lot, and to remove all existing building lines within the property, on property located between Mesquite Lane and Camp Wisdom Road, west of Turnout Lane. Applicant/Owner: C2R Buffalo Speedway, LLC Surveyor: CBG Surveying Texas, LLC Application Filed: July 10, 2026 Zoning: PD 101 (Subdistrict 1) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Sharmila Shrestha Council District: 3 PLAT-26-000178] ITEM NUMBER 26 PLA 26 DASH 0 0 1 78. IT IS AN APPLICATION TO REPLANT A 16.44 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOTS ONE THROUGH 19 LOTS, 21 THROUGH 37, A PORTION OF LOT 20 IN CITY BLOCK ONE OVER 61 13, ALL OF LOTS 15 THROUGH 18 IN CITY BLOCK TWO OVER 61 13. AN ABANDONED PORTION OF PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY TO CREATE ONE 5.58 ACRE LOT AND ONE 10 POINT 86 ACRE LOT AND TO REMOVE ALL EXISTING BUILDING LINES WITHIN THE PROPERTY ON PROPERTY LOCATED BETWEEN MISKE LANE AND CAMP WISDOM ROAD WEST OF TURNOUT. LANE CORRECTION NEEDED ON THE CASE REPORT TO REMOVE FIRST, UH, TO REMOVE THE FIRST PARAGRAPH UNDER STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND BUILDING LINE REMOVAL ON PAGE 12 A, THIS REQUEST REQUIRES TWO MOTION BECAUSE IT IS REPLIED AND IT INVOLVES THE REMOVAL OF THE PLA BUILDING LINE. THE FIRST MOTION IS TO APPROVE A DENY REMOVAL OF EXISTING BUILDING LINE STAFF. RECOMMENDATION ON BUILDING LINE REMOVAL IS APPROVAL. AND THE SECOND MOTION IS TO APPROVE A DENY REPLAT STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON REPLAT APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. THANK YOU MSE. AND JUST A HOUSEKEEPING NOTE, IF EVERYONE COULD PLEASE SILENCE THEIR PHONES AND PUT THEM ON VIBRATE. UM, IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ITEM 26? I AM RICHARD HOPE, I'M HERE TO, UH, SUPPORT. I LIVE AT UH, 64 0 3 LAKE BLUFF DRIVE DALLAS. I AM THE APPLICANT. THAT CONCLUDES YOUR COMMENTS UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. GREAT, THANK YOU SIR. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT? SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, WE WILL GO TO VICE CHAIR HERBERT FOR THE FIRST OF TWO MOTIONS. UM, IN CASE NUMBER PLOT 2 6 0 0 0 1 7 8, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST TO REMOVE ALL EXISTING BUILDING LINES WITHIN THE PROPERTY WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT REMOVAL OF THE BUILDING LINES WILL NOT REQUIRE A MINIMUM FRONT SIDE OR REAR YARD SETBACK LINE LESS THAN REQUIRED BY THE ZONING REGULATION BE CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST AND ADVERSELY AFFECT NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES OR ADVERSELY AFFECT THE PLAN FOR THE ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUBDIVISION. GREAT. THANK YOU VICE CHAIR HERBERT FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? NO DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SO NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES YOUR SECOND MOTION VICE CHAIR. I MOVE THIS SAME IN, IN THE CASE OF NUMBER PLAQUE 2 6 0 0 1 7 8. I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST TO REMOVE WAIT THAT THE TO, TO APPROVE THE RELA AS PRESENTED IN THE DOCKET SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE, THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET OR AS AMENDED AT THE PODIUM? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION. VICE CHAIR, VICE CHAIR HERBERT, YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. ANY DISCUSSION? NO DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES ITEM [27. 26-2543A An application to change the name of Houston Street Bridge (Houston Street Viaduct) between Zang Boulevard and Young Street to “Pettis Norman Bridge”. Applicant/Owner: City of Dallas Application Filed: March 23, 2026 Notices Sent: 34 notices sent on May 5, 2026 Staff Recommendation: Approval. Subdivision Review Committee Recommendation: Denial. Planner: Sharmila Shrestha Council District: 1,2 STNAME-26-000005] 27, ITEM NUMBER 27, UH, S-T-N-A-M-E DASH 26 DASH 0 0 0 0 0 5. IT IS AN APPLICATION TO CHANGE THE NAME OF HOUSTON STREET BRIDGE, UM, HOUSTON STREET VIA DOCK BETWEEN JANG BOULEVARD [03:00:01] AND Y STREET TO PETTIES NORMAN BREEZE. THE THE ABOVE ITEM HAS BEEN ADVERTISED FOR A HEARING AT THIS TIME. 14 NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE AB OPERATING PROPERTY OWNERS ON MAY 5TH, 2026, UH, WITH ZERO REPLY IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLYING OPPOSITIONS. NEWSPAPER NOTICE WAS PUBLISHED ON JULY 7TH, 2026 AND NOTIFICATION SIGNS WERE POSTED ALONG HIS HISTORY STREET VIA DOC ON MAY 4TH, 2026. WAIVERS ARE NEEDED FOR 651 A DASH 9.304 A FIVE. A STREET NAME MAY NOT CONTAIN MORE THAN 14 CHARACTERS PROVIDING, HOWEVER, THAT DISTRICT TYPE DESIGNATION MAY BE A TO COMPLY WITH THIS REQUIREMENT. SIX AND 51 A DASH 9.304 C TWO A STREET NAME COMMEMORATING A PERSON OR HISTORIC SITE OR A AREA IS PROHIBITED UNTIL AT LEAST TWO YEARS AFTER THE DATE OF THE PERSON TO BE HONORED OR THE OCCURRENCE OF THE EVENT TO BE COMMEMORATED AND ADDITIONAL WAIVERS TO BE ADDED. SECTION 51 8 DASH 9.304 C ONE. A HISTORIC STREET NAME MAY NOT BE CHANGED. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST PROVIDED THAT THE ALL THE REQUIRED WAIVERS ARE GRANTED BY THE THI THREE FOURTH VOTE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS AND AMEND AMENDMENT TO THE THERAPIST CBD PLAN ON MAY 21ST, 2026. THE SUBDIVISION REVIEW COMMITTEE HELD THE CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL JUNE 25TH, 2026. AND ON JUNE 25TH, 2026, THE SUBDIVISION REVIEW COMMITTEE BY UNANIMOUS VOTE RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF THIS REQUEST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. RETA. ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT OF ITEM 27? OH, I THINK MS. RETA NEEDS TO MAKE ONE CHANGE AND ALSO WE DO HAVE OUR, UH, CHIEF CITY SURVEYOR, UH, MR. HOLT FOR ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTION COMMISSIONER MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND, UH, UH, FORMER STATE REPRESENTATIVE GIDDINGS THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS HELEN GIDDINGS AND I RESIDE AT 34 0 1 LEAD PARKWAY NUMBER 2203 DALLAS, TEXAS. AND IN THE EARLY EIGHTIES I SERVED TWO TERMS OF DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I AM HONORED TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF RENAMING THE BRIDGE IN HONOR OF PETTUS NORMAN. OVER THE COURSE OF MY YEARS IN PUBLIC SERVICE AND COMMUNITY LEADERSHIP, I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF WORKING ALONGSIDE MANY OUTSTANDING INDIVIDUALS AND VERY FEW HAVE EARNED MY RESPECT AND ADMIRATION MORE THAN PETTUS NORMAN. MOST PEOPLE KNOW PETTUS NORMAN AS AN OUTSTANDING NFL PLAYER, BUT THOSE OF US WHO KNEW HIM PERSONALLY, HE WAS MY NEIGHBOR, KNOW THAT HIS GREATEST ACHIEVEMENTS CAME AFTER FOOTBALL. HE HAS DEVOTED HIS LIFE TO SERVING OTHERS, MENTORING YOUNG PEOPLE, STRENGTHENING NEIGHBORHOODS, SUPPORTING EDUCATION, PROMOTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND HELPING MAKE DALLAS A BETTER PLACE FOR ALL OF US. PAT HAS NEVER SOUGHT THE SP SPOTLIGHT. INSTEAD, HE QUIETLY AND CONSISTENTLY INVESTED IN PEOPLE. HE HAS OPENED DOORS FOR OTHERS IN Q, UH, ENCOURAGED FUTURE LEADERS AND DEMONSTRATED THROUGH HIS ACTION THAT TRUE SUCCESS IS MEASURED NOT BY WHAT WE ACHIEVE FOR OURSELVES, BUT WHAT WE DO FOR OTHERS. IT IS ESPECIALLY FITTING THAT A BRIDGE BEAR HIS NAME, A BRIDGE, CONNECTS PEOPLE. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT PETTIS NORMAN DID. I CAN THINK OF NO MORE DESERVING INDIVIDUAL FORST HONOR AND I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOUR SUPPORT IN RENAMING THIS BRIDGE FOR PETTUS NORMAN. IT IS A LIFETIME TRIBUTE TO A LIFE THAT WAS WELL LIVED AND A LEGACY THAT WILL CONTINUE TO INSPIRE GENERATIONS TO COME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IN SUPPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, MY NAME IS TOM LANDRY JR. UM, AND I'M AT 64 16 TULIP LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 3 OH. I AM VERY HONORED TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF PETTI, UH, IN THE PROPOSAL TO RENAME THE HOUSTON STREET BRIDGE. I HAVE KNOWN PETTIS FOR OVER 60 YEARS, BEGINNING WITH, UH, HIS FIRST DALLAS COWBOY TRAINING CAMP IN THE EARLY SIXTIES. I WAS A 12-YEAR-OLD BALL BOY AT THE TIME AND TOOK A LIKING TO THIS FREE AGENT FROM JOHNSON, JC SMITH, UH, UNIVERSITY. UH, HE WAS ONE OF A HUNDRED ROOKIES TRYING TO MAKE THAT TEAM AND, AND, UH, I TOOK A LIKING TO HIM AND I USED TO WAIT FOR HIM AFTER PRACTICE AND CARRY HIS HELMET AND HIS SHOULDER PADS BACK TO THE LOCKER ROOM. UH, HE MADE THE TEAM HAD A GREAT CAREER [03:05:01] AND AFTER THAT CAREER, STAYED IN DALLAS AND HAD A GREAT CAREER AS A BUSINESSMAN IN BANKING AND ANOTHER ENDEAVORS. UH, BUT HIS MAIN DEAL AND HIS MAIN CALLING WAS, UH, COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY. I'VE NEVER KNOWN A FINER PERSON THAN PETTUS NORMAN. UH, THROUGHOUT HIS LIFE, HE WAS A CIVIL RIGHTS ADVOCATE WHO WAS COMMITTED TO IMPROVING RACE RELATIONS AND ENDURING, UH, AND ENSURING THAT EVERY INDIVIDUAL DESERVED DIGNITY AND RESPECT REGARDLESS OF RACE, BACKGROUND OR STATUS, AND STRIVING TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER, UH, IN A COMMON RESPECTFUL MANNER. HE BECAME A UNIFYING FORCE. BRIDGING RACIAL LINES. A BRIDGE IS A POWERFUL SYMBOL. IT REPRESENTS CONNECTION, UNITY, AND PROGRESS. NAMING THIS BRIDGE AFTER PETTUS NORMAN, WHICH SERVE AS A DAILY REMINDER THAT GREATNESS IS NOT ONLY MEASURED BY PROFESSIONAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS, BUT ALSO BY COMMITMENT TO COMMUNITY. FOR THESE REASONS, I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER RENAMING THE HOUSTON STREET BRIDGE AFTER PETTUS NORMAN. SUCH A DESIGNATION WOULD BE A FITTING TRIBUTE TO A REMARKABLE INDIVIDUAL WHOSE LEGACY OF LEADERSHIP, SERVICE, AND UNWAVERING COMMITMENT TO JUSTICE CONTINUE TO BENEFIT OUR CITY NOW AND IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS CASEY THOMAS. I'M THE MEDIA PAST COUNCIL MEMBER FOR DISTRICT THREE. IT'S MY HONOR TO STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY. I HAD THE PLEASURE OF KNOWING MR. NORMAN WHEN I WAS HIS COUNCIL MEMBER. WE SPENT PLENTY OF TIME TOGETHER TALKING ABOUT HIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOW TO MAKE DOLLARS, UH, FOR OUR CITY. FOR ALL PETS MADE A MAJOR IMPACT, NOT ONLY ON ME, BUT ON EVERYBODY HE TOUCHED AS WELL AS THIS CITY. HE WAS A BRIDGE ACROSS RACES IN THIS CITY, AND I DON'T KNOW A MORE FITTING WAY TO HONOR HIM AND HIS LEGACY THAN TO NAME THIS BRIDGE AFTER HIM. AS YOU HAVE HEARD, HE WAS A DIFFERENCE MAKER, NOT ONLY AS A DOUBT'S COWBOY, BUT AS A CIVIC LEADER. HE TOUCHED AND IMPACTED MANY PEOPLE'S LIVES OF ALL AGES, ALL THROUGHOUT THIS CITY, HIS DESERVING OF THIS HONOR. AND I STAND TODAY IN SUPPORT OF NAMING THIS BRIDGE AFTER MR. PET NORMAN. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO STAND BEFORE YOU NEXT SPEAKER. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, GUNNER RAWLINGS, 4 8 0 7 SWISS. UM, I, UH, AM HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF UH, ROGER STAUBACH AND, UH, FORMER MAYOR, UH, MIKE RAWLINGS, UH, IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM. UM, SO THIS IS WHAT THEY WROTE. A SON OF THE JIM CROW SOUTH PETTUS NORMAN'S LEGACY REPRESENTS WHAT IS BEST ABOUT OUR CITY AND OUR COUNTRY. IF YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF WHO, UH, MR. NORMAN WAS, YOU ARE SURELY MISSING OUT ON A BIG PART OF THE HISTORY OF DALLAS. MR. NORMAN'S CAREER WITH THE DALLAS COWBOY STARTED IN 1963 WHERE HE WOULD PLAY TIGHT IN FOR THE GREAT TOM LANDRY FOR NINE SEASONS, EVENTUALLY RETIRING AS A CHARGER IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES DURING THE MID SIXTIES IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT, UH, IN WHICH HE WAS VERY ACTIVE. UH, MR. NORMAN WENT TO COACH LANDRY TO ASK HIM TO STOP ASSIGNING HOTEL ROOMS BASED ON RACE. COACH LANDRY AGREED THIS WAS INSTRUMENTAL TO THE RACE RELATIONS ACROSS THE NFL ROGER AND, UH, PETTI EVEN ROOMED TOGETHER MORE THAN A FEW TIMES. LIKE ROGER, HE WAS A GREAT PATRIOT SERVING IN THE TEXAS ARMY NATIONAL GUARD WHILE PLAYING AS A COWBOY. HIS NFL CAREER WAS REMARKABLE IN MANY WAYS, BUT HE WAS, UH, KNOWN, UM, AS A TIGHT END, UH, THAT COULD DO IT ALL. AND ENJOYED BEING IN THE TRENCHES DURING HIS PLAYING DAYS. HE DID NOT SHY AWAY FROM LOCAL POLITICS GETTING TO KNOW AND ADVISE LOCAL LEADERS ACROSS OUR GREAT CITY. AFTER HIS CAREER, HE BECAME A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSMAN IN MANY DIFFERENT ARENAS. HE RAISED THREE DAUGHTERS IN OAK CLIFF WITH HIS HIGH SCHOOL SWEETHEART, BECAME A WIDOWER AND THEN REMARRIED. UH, THE VERY LOVELY, UH, MISS YVETTE HIGHTOWER, JUST AN AMAZING HUMAN BEING AND STILL A VERY ACTIVE COMMUNITY, UH, ADVOCATE IN OAK CLIFF WHERE, UH, ACTUALLY THE REVEREND JESSE JACKSON PRESIDED OVER THEIR CEREMONY. FUN FACT. HE ALSO SERVED AS A PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL COMMENTATOR FOR MANY YEARS AS ROGER AND MIKE WILL ATTEST. UM, UH, NO MATTER, UH, WHAT THE, WHERE YOU CAME FROM IN THE CITY, WHAT RACE YOU WERE, WHAT GOD YOU WORSHIPED, OR HOW MUCH MONEY YOU HAD, HE LOVED AND RESPECTED YOU THE SAME. HE WAS READY TO WORK WITH YOU IF YOU LOVED DALLAS AS MUCH AS HIM. DURING MIKE'S TERM IN OFFICE. MR. NORMAN LED ON IMPROVING OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS WHEN IT WAS NOT POPULAR TO HELP CREATE THE FOUNDATION FOR THE HELPING TO CREATE THE FOUNDATION, UH, FOR THE REIMAGINED DISD THAT SERVES OUR, UH, GREAT KIDS TODAY IN SUCH TREMENDOUS WAYS. ROGER AND MIKE ASK THAT YOU SUPPORT THIS RENAMING TO HONOR A GREAT MAN OF OAK, CLIFF OF DALLAS AND OF OUR COUNTRY. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IN SUPPORT. [03:10:01] GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS DEBORAH BROWN STEARNS AND I LIVE AT SIX 12. HOW WOODS TRAIL IN FORT WORTH, TEXAS. THAT LETS YOU KNOW PETTI HAS NOT ONLY BEEN A GREAT ADVOCATE IN DALLAS, BUT HE'S ALSO HELPED US DO A FEW THINGS IN FORT WORTH. HE'S ALSO A GREAT FRIEND TO MY HUSBAND VERNE STEARNS, WHO WAS AN EX CEO OF DFW AIRPORT AND ALSO THE CITY MANAGER. HE COULD NOT BE HERE TODAY BECAUSE HE IS ILL. SO ALL OF THOSE WONDERFUL THINGS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY HEARD, I'LL JUST PIGGYBACK ON THAT THEN I'LL GO PERSONAL WITH, UH, YVETTE AND PETTIS. WE'VE KNOWN EACH OTHER FOR 30 PLUS YEARS. WE HAVE BEEN TOGETHER DOING THINGS OVER AND OVER AND OVER. WE TRAVEL TOGETHER A LITTLE BIT OF THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER. BUT TO LET YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF MAN THAT PETTI NORMAN IS THAT MY HUSBAND TOLD ME ABOUT WHILE HE SERVED WITH HIM ON THE DFW AIRPORT BOARD, PETTI DID NOT MIND STANDING UP FOR WHAT HE BELIEVED IN AND HE BELIEVED IN BRIDGING PEOPLE AND PURPOSE. HE BRIDGED A LOT OF GAPS BETWEEN BLACK AND WHITE, RIGHT AND WRONG. THAT'S WHAT PETTI WAS AND THAT'S WHAT HE IS. AND TO HAVE THIS BRIDGE NAMED AFTER HIM WOULD BE MORE THAN FITTING. AND I CAN'T THINK OF ANYONE WHO COULD PUSH THIS FORWARD BETTER THAN HIS WIFE. YVETTE, WHO HAS BEEN BY HIS SIDE FOR THE LAST 30 PLUS YEARS WAS A GREAT GUY. HE WAS A GREAT FRIEND AND A GREAT HUSBAND. A GREAT HUSBAND, AND HE WAS ALSO A GREAT ADVOCATE TO DALLAS AND TO FORT WORTH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER AND SUPPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M CHERYL SMITH AND I RESIDE AT 44 17 SOUTH LANCASTER ROAD, DALLAS 7 5 2 1 6. AND I'M THE PUBLISHER OF TEXAS METRO NEWS AND THE GARLAND JOURNAL. AND I'VE BEEN IN DALLAS A LONG TIME. IT FEELS FUNNY UP HERE SPEAKING FOR A COWBOY 'CAUSE I'M FROM NEW JERSEY, BUT PETTI NORMAN IS BIGGER THAN DALLAS. AND WHEN SO MANY PEOPLE AS A YOUNG JOURNALIST WRITING ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THIS CITY, THERE WERE PEOPLE TRYING TO TEAR IT DOWN. THEY WEREN'T ABOUT BUILDING BRIDGES, BUT THIS MAN WAS, AND I WAS THERE COVERING SOME TURBULENT TIMES, EVEN IN THE NINETIES. IT WAS KIND OF ROUGH IN THE NINETIES HERE. AND UM, I THOUGHT ABOUT MOVING, BUT I SAID WITH PEOPLE LIKE PETTI AROUND AND THAT'S WHO CITY LEADERS CALLED ON, THEY GATHERED FOLKS LIKE PETTUS NORMAN TO BRING THEM TOGETHER TO SAVE OUR CITY. AND SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THOSE WHO WERE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO BUILD, HOW TO MEND, HOW TO GROW A BRIDGE, PETTI NORMAN, IT JUST SEEMS APROPOS. AND I'D SAY, WHY AM I SITTING HERE LETTING ALL OF THEM GO BEFORE ME BECAUSE THEY KIND OF BIG BROTHERED ME AND GOT WHAT I HAD WRITTEN IN MY HEAD TO SAY ABOUT HIM. BUT, UM, HE WAS GOOD, A GOOD MAN. AND AS A JOURNALIST I GET TO KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE AND TRY TO SEE WHERE THEIR HEART IS AND WHAT THEY'RE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE SERVING. AND HE SERVED, HE WAS A GOOD COMMUNITY SERVING. HE WAS A GOOD CORPORATE CITIZEN, SUPPORTING EVENTS, SUPPORTING HBCUS, SUPPORTING ALL UNIVERSITIES BECAUSE HE WAS ABOUT EDUCATION. AND SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT PET IS NORMAN, I DO MISS HIM. I REALLY DO BECAUSE HE WAS SUCH A WONDERFUL PERSON AND SUCH A ROLE MODEL FOR EVERYONE. I WOULD LOVE FOR WHEN PEOPLE RIDE ACROSS THAT BRIDGE, IF THEY DON'T KNOW WHO HE IS, IT WILL INSPIRE THEM TO FIND OUT. SO I HOPE YOU WILL SUPPORT WHOLEHEARTEDLY THIS ACT AND UH, THEN WE'LL CELEBRATE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IN SUPPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON COUNSEL. MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME TODAY. MY NAME IS VICTOR BURKE AND I USED TO BE THE GENERAL MANAGER PLACE DOWN THE STREET HERE CALLED [03:15:01] DART FOR 20 YEARS. UH, I WORKED THERE AND HELPED TO BUILD THE RAIL SYSTEM. AND I WOULD SAY WHEN I CAME TO DALLAS, I KNEW ABSOLUTELY NO ONE. AND ONE OF THE FIRST PERSONS I MET WAS A FELLOW BY THE NAME OF PETTUS NORMAN. AND, UH, HE SAID, YOU WERE IN BAD SHAPE OVER THERE. WE NEED, WE NEED TO GET OVER THERE AND HELP YOU. HE BROUGHT TOGETHER A COALITION OF, OF CITIZENS THAT HELPED ME TO BRING DALLAS AREA RAPID TRANSIT TO THE FOREFRONT OF TRANSIT IN AMERICA. WHILE WE WERE THERE, WE, WE NOT ONLY BUILT THIS RAIL SYSTEM, BUT WE HAD THE BEST BUS SYSTEM, THE BUS TRANSIT SYSTEM IN AMERICA. AND HE WAS A BIG PART OF THAT BECAUSE OFTENTIMES WE COULDN'T GET SUPPORT FOR MAINTENANCE FOR FUELS. AND HE HAD A LITTLE FUEL COMPANY THAT EVERY TIME I CALLED HIM, I SAID, I NEED HELP. HE, HE BOUGHT US FUEL. HE KEPT THIS, HE KEPT THIS CITY ON THE MOVE. HE KEPT IT RUNNING. I WOULD SAY TO YOU THAT HE'S NOT JUST A GOOD BUSINESSMAN. HE WAS A MENTOR TO ME. HE WAS SOMEONE THAT I LOOKED UP TO. I WILL ALWAYS LOOK UP TO, AND I BEG YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS, UH, NAMING OF THE BRIDGE OF MR. NORMAN, BECAUSE IT'LL NOT ONLY MAKE ME, BUT MANY, MANY PEOPLE, MANY, MANY CITIZENS IN THIS COMMUNITY, VERY HAPPY WHEN THEY DRIVE ACROSS THAT BRIDGE AND SEE THAT YOU HAD ENOUGH INSIGHT TO DEDICATE SOMETHING TO AN INDIVIDUAL THAT GAVE HIS LIFE FOR A CITY HE LOVED SO MUCH. I THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. NEXT SPEAKER IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS YVETTE NORMAN, PIST. NORMAN WAS MY LOVING HUSBAND FOR 30 YEARS. SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, A MOVEMENT WAS FORMED TO PERMANENTLY HONOR THE LEGACY OF MY HUSBAND. MANY WHO KNEW PETTUS DESCRIBED HIM AS A HUMAN BRIDGE. HE DID SO MUCH IN LIFE, BUT I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT FOUR EXAMPLES. FIRST, PETTUS WORKED WITH FOUR UNITED STATES PRESIDENTS, LYNDON B JOHNSON, JIMMY CARTER, RICHARD NIXON, AND BILL CLINTON. HIS MOST NOTABLE ACCOMPLISHMENT WAS BEING TAPPED BY LYNDON B JOHNSON TO FLY TO WASHINGTON AND HELP BRING PEACE AMONG THE RIOTERS AFTER MARTIN LUTHER KING WAS KILLED. SECOND, WHEN PETTIS ARRIVED TO PLAY WITH THE DALLAS COWBOYS, HE NOTICED THE PLAYERS' SLEEP ARRANGEMENTS WERE SEPARATED BY RACE. HE SAID TO COACH, COACH, IF WE'RE GONNA BE A TEAM, WE MUST HAVE MORE UNITY BY SLEEPING, EATING, AND PLAYING TOGETHER. COACH LANDRY BEING THE HONORABLE MAN THAT HE WAS AGREED, AND THE SLEEP ARRANGEMENTS WERE INTEGRATED THE FOLLOWING SEASON, AND IT EXPANDED TO OTHER NFL TEAMS. THIRD PETTIS AND HIS CO-CHAIRS WITH THE DALLAS TOGETHER FORUM SUCCESSFULLY CHALLENGED AND PARTNERED WITH OVER 200 CEOS IN DALLAS TO CREATE MORE DIVERSITY WITHIN THEIR COMPANIES AND INVEST IN WOMEN AND MINORITY OWNED BUSINESSES. AND FINALLY, PET IS SERVED ON OVER 50 BOARDS, 99% WERE UNPAID. HE DID THIS TO BRIDGE TOGETHER NEIGHBORHOODS, CIVIL RIGHTS BUSINESSES, FAITH COMMUNITIES, AND PEOPLE OF EVERY RACE AND BACKGROUND. IN CLOSING, FOR MORE THAN SIX DECADES, PETTUS DEDICATED HIS LIFE TO BRIDGING THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN [03:20:01] NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN DALLAS. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MA'AM. OKAY, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT, OPPOSITION SPEAKERS? OH, I DO THINK THERE WAS SOMEONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ONLINE. ELIA ACOSTA IS MS. ACOSTA ONLINE? OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANY SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? OKAY. SEEING NONE, WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR A MOTION. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AND I, UM, HAVE BRIEF COMMENTS IF I HAVE A SECOND IN THE MATTER OF STREET NAME 2 6 0 0 0 5, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW SRC RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL. I SECOND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I'LL GO TO YOU. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. FAIR COMMENT. I MAKE THIS MOTION NOT BECAUSE I IN ANY WAY DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THE SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTIONS THAT MR. NORMAN HAS MADE TO OUR CITY AND TO HIS ROLE AS A BRIDGE. AS ALL OF THE SPEAKERS HERE TODAY HAVE SAID, WE HAD ROBUST DISCUSSION DURING OUR COMMITTEE REVIEW OF THIS REQUEST, AND I FULLY SUPPORT HONORING MR. NORMAN. HOWEVER, THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THIS BRIDGE AND ITS ROLE IN OUR CITY IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS ALSO IMPORTANT. AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE WAY THAT OUR STREET NAMING WORKS, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO BALANCE BOTH OF THOSE TOGETHER. I WOULD HOPE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO FIND A WAY TO BRING THIS BACK, UM, IN A WAY THAT ACKNOWLEDGES THE CONTRIBUTIONS BECAUSE I, I DO BELIEVE THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT OUR CITY SHOULD BE ABLE TO SOLVE. THANK YOU. NEXT, UM, DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER WHEELER REAGAN. I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT MOTION. UM, IN THE LAST TWO TIMES THAT A CITY, UH, A STREET HAS CAME UP, UM, IT HAS BEEN DENIED. I I TAKE FULL, FULL, UM, RESPECT. ONLY THE LAST ONE THAT I WAS NOT HERE IN PERSON. UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS STREET WARRANTS THIS BIO DUCT, ESPECIALLY DURING A TIME THAT WE ARE HAVING RIGHT NOW CONCERNING THE BIO DUCT. UM, I REALLY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT THIS VIAL DUCT WAS UNTIL I STARTED HAVING TO MAKE THE TRIP ALMOST DAILY FROM ONE PART OF A CITY SERVICE TO ANOTHER PART OF THE CITY SERVICE AND BYPASSING THE EXPRESSWAY. I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT LOCATION FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS PLAYED A PIVOTAL ROLE IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHO HAS PAID A PIVOTAL ROLE IN THE WAY THAT WE, THAT WE TRANSPORT OUR PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE CITY. UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A COMMITTEE WHO'VE SEEN FIT, THAT THIS MIGHT NEED TO COME, THAT HIS HONOR MIGHT NEED TO BE IN A DIFFERENT WAY, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE WAY, UM, WE DON'T GET THESE TYPE OF, WE DON'T GET THESE TYPE OF OPPORTUNITIES VERY OFTEN TO HONOR THOSE WHO HAVE REALLY SPENT THEIR LIFETIME FIGHTING THE BATTLE FOR THE CITY OF THE DALLAS TO BE WHAT IT IS TODAY. UM, OUR CITY IS VERY UNIQUE. WE ARE, EVEN THOUGH IT OFTENTIMES WE DO NOT LOOK LIKE A UNITED FOREST, I WOULD NEVER WANNA LIVE IN ANOTHER CITY LIKE, BUT DALLAS AND I VISITED QUITE A BIT, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE WAY THAT WE HONOR. UM, AND, UM, HIM, I SAT HERE, HAD A BUNCH OF, OF, OF DIFFERENT THOUGHTS PROCESS WITH HEARING THE MAN THAT HE IS READING UP ON THE THINGS THAT HE HAD DID. UM, MY MOTHER WORKS FOR DAR FOR 60 YEARS, SEEMS LIKE MY WHOLE LIFE, MY SISTER, MY BROTHER HAVE WORKED HER WITHOUT HIS CONTRIBUTION, MY MOTHER WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FEED SIX CHILDREN. MY SISTER WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FEED FIVE. MY NIECE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FEED TWO, AND MY SISTER WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SERVE US AS A POLICE OFFICER FOR DART. SO I DO BELIEVE THAT HIS CONTRIBUTION WARRANTS THIS BEING ENABLED, THIS BRIDGE BEING CHANGED IN HIS NAME. OKAY. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. UM, I WILL BE, UH, SUPPORTING THE, THE RECOMMENDATION. UM, MR. NORMAN WAS A, A GREAT MAN. [03:25:01] HE WAS A GREAT HUSBAND, A GREAT ATHLETE, A GREAT CITIZEN, AND HE IS CERTAINLY DESERVING OF AN HONOR LIKE THIS ONE, WHICH IS, UH, PROPOSED. UH, BUT AS A MEMBER OF THE SRC COMMITTEE THAT, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON REFERRED TO A MOMENT AGO, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE REQUIREMENT THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO WAIVE TWO RULES ABOUT STREET NAME CHANGES, THERE WERE SEVERAL OF US ON THE COMMITTEE THAT WERE CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, THE VIADUCT ITSELF AND POTENTIAL CHANGES, SIGNIFICANT CHANGES REVOLVING AROUND THE DESIGN OF THE CONVENTION CENTER. UH, THE FUTURE OF THAT, THAT CONNECTION TO OAK CLIFF IS, UH, A LITTLE MURKY AT THE MOMENT. AND, UH, FRANKLY, I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT WOULD BE THAT WE ARE NOR NAMING FOR PETTUS NORMAN. WE COULD FIND OUT IN A YEAR OR SO WHEN THE DESIGN IS COMPLETE, THAT THIS IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, UH, UH, THOROUGHFARE, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION. AND SO I WOULD, I WOULD PREFER TO NAME SOMETHING FOR MR. NORMAN THAT WE KNEW HAD CERTAINTY ABOUT ITS, UH, ITS FUTURE HERE IN THE CITY. THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. I TOO WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. UM, OBVIOUSLY MR. NORMAN WAS A, UH, GIFT TO OUR CITY, AND MY SUPPORT FOR THE MOTION SHOULD NOT BE HEARD TO TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM HIM OR HIS LEGACY. UM, I SHARE COMMISSIONER, UM, HOUSE RIGHTS CONCERN ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THIS STRUCTURE AND NAMING, UM, THE STRUCTURE AFTER MR. UH, AFTER THE AS AS AS, UM, SOUGHT COULD, UM, LEAD TO SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE HOUSTON STREET VIADUCT IS ON THE NATIONAL, UH, REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES, AND I THINK THAT IN AND OF ITSELF IS REASON NOT TO RENAME IT. UM, IN ADDITION TO THE REASONS THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER, UH, HOUSEWRIGHT MENTIONED WITH REGARD TO THE NOR RULES NAMING PROCEDURES. SO THAT'S IT. THANKS, COMMISSIONER SIMS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UH, ITO WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION, AND I DO SO RECOGNIZING FULLY THE EXTRAORDINARY INDIVIDUAL THAT PETTUS NORMAN WAS. UM, THE CENTRE UCT, UH, RUNS INTO DISTRICT ONE, AND I HELD A COMMUNITY MEETING IN DISTRICT ONE, AND THE SENTIMENT OF THAT MEETING WAS I THINK MOST CLEARLY, WHY ARE WE GOING SO QUICKLY? UH, NOT THAT PES NORMAN'S NOT A GREAT MAN, BUT IS THIS THE RIGHT STRUCTURE TO NAME ONE, ONE OF OUR, THE NEIGHBORS SAID, WHAT ABOUT THE JEFFERSON STREET VIADUCT? WHAT ABOUT, IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE IN THE CITY WE COULD NAME? AND IS HAS WE HAD A THOROUGH PROCESS IN HEARING ABOUT FOR WHOM WE SHOULD BE NAMING THINGS IN WHEN? AND SO IN LIGHT OF THAT, AND FOR THE OTHER REASONS, STATE BY MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, I'LL SUPPORT ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. VICE CHAIR HERBERT. UH, SO I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT'S BEFORE US TODAY. UM, I STAND IN OPPOSITION OF THE MOTION, UM, AND WANT THE COMMITTEE AND THE PEOPLE HERE TO UNDERSTAND THAT, DENY THAT WHY I DO, THIS IS NOT A CLOSE CALL. THIS IS NOT A COMPLICATED APPLICATION. THIS IS DALLAS BEING ASKED WHETHER IT WILL HONOR A MAN WHO GAVE THIS CITY EVERYTHING HE HAD. AND THE MOTION SAYS NO. I NEED EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND FOR A MOMENT WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. THE HOUSTON STREET VIADUCT OPENED IN 1912 AS THE FIRST PERMANENT ALL WEATHER CROSSING OF THE TRINITY RIVER, CONNECTING DOWNTOWN DALLAS TO OAK CLIFF. IT WAS THE LONGEST REINFORCED CONCRETE HIGHWAY VIADUCT IN THE WORLD AT THE TIME OF ITS CONSTRUCTION. IT SITS ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES. THIS IS NOT AN ORDINARY INFRASTRUCTURE. IT IS A LANDSCAPE. IT IS A LANDMARK THAT HAS, THAT WAS STOOD AT THE CENTER OF DALLAS'S LIFE FOR OVER A CENTURY IN DALLAS'S LIFE. FOR MUCH OF THAT CENTURY WAS BUILT ON RACIAL EXCLUSION, RACIAL ZONING, DEED RESTRICTIONS, REDLINING, BLACK RESIDENTS CONFINED TO SPECIFIC POCKETS OF THE CITY, SHUT OUT OF NEIGHBORHOODS, SHUT OUT OF POLITICS, SHUT OUT OF THE WEALTH. DALLAS WAS ACCUMULATING NORTH OF THE RIVER. THAT IS NOT AN OPINION, THAT IS DOCUMENTING HISTORY OF THIS CITY. THE TRINITY RIVER WAS NOT JUST A FLOOD BOUNDARY, IT WAS A RACIAL ONE. NOW, CONSIDER WHAT A DENIAL SAYS IN THAT CONTEXT. IT SAYS, THIS CITY WILL NOT PUT THE NAME OF PETTUS NORMAN ON THAT CROSSING. A MAN WHO CROSSED EVERY BOUNDARY DALLAS ERECTED AGAINST PEOPLE WHO LOOKED LIKE HIM, WHO PUT ON A COWBOY UNIFORM WHEN THIS CITY WAS STILL DECIDING WHETHER MEN WHO LOOKED LIKE HIM BELONGED HERE, [03:30:01] WHO PLAYED WITH EXCELLENCE, CARRIED HIMSELF WITH DIGNITY. AND WHEN THE CHEERING STOPPED, DID NOT GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. HE STAYED. HE BUILT, HE INVESTED IN SOUTHERN DALLAS WHEN THAT INVESTMENT WAS NOT GLAMOROUS AND NOT GUARANTEED, HE MENTORED YOUNG BLACK ENTREPRENEURS WHO HAD NO OTHER MENTOR COMING. HE GAVE THIS CITY DECADES OF HIMSELF, LONG AFTER DALLAS HAD GIVEN HIM VERY LITTLE IN RETURN. A DENIAL DOES NOT JUST REJECT A STREET NAME APPLICATION. IT REJECTS HIM, IN MY OPINION. AND THIS CITY SHOULD NOT BE COMFORTABLE DOING THAT. BRIDGES CARRY PEOPLE FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER. SO DID PETTUS NORMAN, HE WAS A BRIDGE FOR THIS CITY BEFORE THIS CITY WAS READY TO CROSS. I WON'T BE SOME MORE IN THE MOTION. THANK YOU. ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS ON THE ITEM. COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, UH, VICE CHAIR HERBERT, UH, SAID IT ALL. UH, THE ONE THING THAT I I WILL ADD IS, AND THIS IS NO DISRESPECT TO MY COLLEAGUES BECAUSE I KNOW MY COLLEAGUES HAVE THEIR HEART IN THE RIGHT PLACE. UH, BUT THE, THE HISTORY OF DALLAS AND THE HISTORY OF, OF MANY OF US, WE'VE BEEN SO WE HAVE TO WAIT, WAITS MORE. THERE COULD BE SOMETHING BETTER AND WAIT, AND THAT DAY NEVER COMES. I CAN'T THINK OF A, OF, OF A BETTER WAY TO, TO HONOR SUCH A GREAT MAN, UH, UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE RULES ARE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A TIME WHEN, WHEN THINGS ARE DEFINED IN THE RULES, BUT YOU JUST KNOW IN YOUR HEART THAT THEY'RE NOT RIGHT. AND I THINK THIS IS A CLEAR EXAMPLE OF THAT. AND, AND WITH THAT, UM, AND CONSIDERATION OF MY COLLEAGUES, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, UM, BY THE PERSON WHO'S GIVEN SO MUCH TO THE CITY AND JUST TO THE HUMANITY OF, OF THE US. SO I CANNOT SUPPORT THE MOTION, BUT I, I DO, UH, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, UH, THAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE GIVEN ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS. UM, I'LL SPEAK BRIEFLY. UM, I'M ALSO NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION. I THINK THIS IS A FITTING HONOR FOR, UH, MR. NOR NORMAN AND THE AMAZING LIFE HE LED AND THE AMAZING THINGS THAT HE DID FOR OUR CITY, AND TAKING IT ON BALANCE, UNDERSTANDING THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE BRIDGE, THAT ON, ON BALANCE THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS TO NAME THIS BRIDGE AFTER HIM, UM, SITTING IN THIS CHAIR. I THINK A LOT ABOUT PROCESS. UM, AND I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE DO NEED TO SORT OF RETHINK WHAT OUR PROCESSES ARE IN THIS CITY FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, NAMING THINGS AFTER PEOPLE WHEN THEY, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY COMING THROUGH SRC AND THAT SORT OF THING. UM, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE BIG IMPORTANT WEIGHTY DECISIONS, AND I'M NOT FAULTING ANYONE FOR USING THE CURRENT PROCESS FAR FROM IT, BUT IT DOES SEEM LIKE THERE COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A COMMUNITY DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, PIECE OF DELIBERATION ABOUT IT. SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, TRULY FIND THE, THE BEST LOCATION TO NAME STREETS AFTER PEOPLE OR NAME OTHER THINGS AFTER PEOPLE KNOW. THIS ONE, I THINK IS ABSOLUTELY MERITED AND WARRANTED, AND THIS BRIDGE DESERVES TO BE NAMED AFTER MR. NORMAN. BUT THERE ARE OTHER CASES WHERE WE NAMED SEGMENTS OF STREETS AFTER PEOPLE AND CHANGE THE NAME. AND THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, TREMENDOUSLY DISRUPTIVE AND, AND PROBLEMATIC, AND THE BALANCE DOESN'T COME OUT THE SAME WAY ON THOSE FOR ME. SO I DO THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A MORE HOLISTIC LOOK AT THE PROCESS, BUT HERE, UNDER OUR EXISTING PROCESS, I THINK, UM, MAKING THE NAME CHANGE OF THE BRIDGE IS THE RIGHT RESULT. SO I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. MR. CHAIR? YES, MA'AM. I, I MOVE THAT WE TAKE THE VOTE BY DISTRICT AND NOT A JOINT VOTE. YOU WANT A ROLL CALL VOTE? YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT'S ABSOLUTELY COMMISSIONER SERATO. I'M SORRY, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT. UM, I, I THINK NAMES DO MATTER. I, I WAS, UM, BORN AND RAISED IN DALLAS. I GREW UP IN SOUTHEAST DALLAS. UM, I HAVE TWO SONS THAT I'M RAISING HERE IN DALLAS, AND I'M A, I'M A, I'M A HISTORY BUFF. I'M A, A HUGE DALLAS COWBOYS FAN. GOT MY, MY POOR CHILDREN ARE TOO. UM, AND I, YOU KNOW, I TALK TO MY CHILDREN ABOUT THE NAMES OF STREETS AND BRIDGES AND SCHOOLS. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD TO HAVE REALLY DEEP, MEANINGFUL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT CESAR CHA CHAVEZ BOULEVARD MORE RECENTLY WITH A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE COME OUT ABOUT HIM AND WHAT THAT MEANT FOR, YOU KNOW, OUR HISTORY, OUR LEGACY, OUR FAMILY. UM, SO I THINK NAMES DO MATTER. UM, AND I, I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO, UM, TAKE, UH, [03:35:01] MY CHILDREN ACROSS A BRIDGE THAT, YOU KNOW, IS SYMBOLIC OF A MAN WHO WAS A BRIDGE. UM, SO I I TOO WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE NOTION, THE NOT, I, I, I UNDERSTAND MY COLLEAGUES. I, UM, AS, AS, UM, COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, UH, MENTIONED, IT'S, UM, IT'S MORE OF A LOGIC VERSUS THE HEART SORT OF THING. SO, UM, I I WON'T BE SUPPORTING ANY OTHER SPEAKERS OR ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM. OKAY. UH, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER TO, UM, DENY THE STREET NAME CHANGE. UH, MS. LOPEZ, CAN WE TAKE A ROLL CALL? VOTE PLEASE. DISTRICT ONE DEBATE MATTERS. NO. DISTRICT TWO AYE. DISTRICT THREE? NO. DISTRICT FOUR? YES. OH, EXCUSE ME. NO, NO. DISTRICT FIVE? NO. DISTRICT SIX? YES. DISTRICT SEVEN? NO. DISTRICT EIGHT? NO. DISTRICT NINE? NO. DISTRICT 10? NO. DISTRICT 11? NO. DISTRICT 12? NO. DISTRICT 13. OBJECTION. DISTRICT 14. YES. AND PLACE 15? NO. OKAY. THE MOTION FAILS. DO WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION THAT SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION. OKAY. IF VICE CHAIR HERBERT, IF IT'S OKAY, UM, I, I MOVE TO, UM, GO AGAINST THE DENIAL AND PUT ON THE TABLE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE NAME CHANGE OF THE HOUSTON SCHOOL VIA DUCK TO PETTI NORMAN. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR HERBERT FOR YOUR MOTION. UM, COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION, MR. WHEELER? UM, IS IT, COULD THE CONSIDERA, COULD THAT CONSIDERATION AT THIS TIME INCLUDE BOTH THE JEFFERSON AND HOUSTON VIADUCT, OR J OR COULD THAT BE, OR COULD THIS BE HELD? I'M GOING TO, I I THINK THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL TELL US THAT THERE IS NO NOTICE AS TO THE JEFFERSON VIADUCT AND IT HAS NOT BEEN THE PROCESS. SO YES, AND IT CAN BE, THIS CAN'T BE HELD OLD BECAUSE THE, YOU, YOU, YOU DO HAVE THE PREROGATIVE TO, I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN THINK WE COULD ENTERTAIN THE JEFFERSON STREET. THE, YEAH, THE, THE JEFFERSON VIADUCT IS NOT PART OF THIS REQUEST. THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE INITIATED, UH, THROUGH SOME OTHER, THROUGH SOME OTHER METHOD. IT COULDN'T BE ADDED TO THIS CASE. IT CANNOT BE ADDED IF IT, IF IT'S HELD AND REFILED. I, I MEAN, YEAH, IF, IF YOU, IF YOU STARTED THE PROCESS OVER AGAIN, IT COULD BE INITIATED TO INCLUDE BOTH BRIDGES, BUT AT THIS POINT YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT TODAY. THIS REQUEST IS ONLY FOR THE HOUSTON STREET VIADUCT. IS THAT, COULD, COULD YOU, COULD YOU GIMME THE PROCESS OF DOING SUCH TO, TO, IF IT'S BECAUSE COMMISSIONER REGAN, IF YOU WANT START A SEPARATE PROCESS, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT. I WE'RE JUST HERE ON THE MOTION FOR THE HOUSTON STREET BRIDGE. I THINK THAT I WANTED TO, I WANTED TO, I WANTED TO SPEAK WITH, I THINK I WANTED TO DISCUSS IT TOO WITH, OR WHAT CAN WE DISCUSS WITH IT SO THAT THEY WOULD INCLUDE BOTH AND THAT WAY THE CONCERNS THAT, UM, THE STATE THAT WHAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN TO HOUSTON AND WE COULD, WE COULD RECONSIDER LATER AND NOT SAY I, I JUST, I I WANT TO GET IT RIGHT WHERE WE INCLUDE WHERE JUST IN CASE ONE GOES AWAY, THEY BOTH IS HERE. AND I, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WE DO THAT. THE ONLY THING ON OUR AGENDA TODAY IS THE DECISION ON THE HOUSTON STREET RIDGE AND RENAMING IT TO, UM, RIGHT. THE JEFFERSON STREET VIADUCT IS NOT ON TODAY'S AGENDA, SO THE COMMISSION SHOULDN'T REALLY BE DISCUSSING IT. WE HAVE TO FOLLOW STATE LAW THERE. SO THAT'S ALL, WE'RE, THAT'S ALL THAT'S UP FOR CONSIDERATION DISCUSSION TODAY. SO COULD THE CONSIDERATION BE A HOLD TO HOLD THIS MATTER? YOU CAN, AS, AS THE, I'M, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH YOU DO HAVE THE FLOOR. COMMISSIONER WHEELER, IF YOU, COULD I MAKE AN, CAN I MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO HOLD THIS CASE? UM, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, IS THAT A, WOULD YOU ACCEPT THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? UM, RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE WISH OF THE APPLICANT. UM, AND WOULD WANT TO DISCUSS THAT FIRST BEFORE I ACCEPTED THAT AMENDMENT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HERBERT? MM-HMM . OKAY. UM, AND COULD WE ASK THE APPLICANT? YEAH. CAN WE TAKE A BREAK? UH, I MEAN, FIVE MINUTES. [03:40:01] I KNOW. I MEAN, I, I THINK WE'VE GOT A LONG AGENDA TODAY. SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE A BREAK RIGHT NOW. WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE. UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION BY VICE CHAIR HERBERT? MAY, MAY I ASK THE MOTION WAS TO APPROVE CORRECT. ASK? IT IS TO APPROVE. YEAH. MAY I ASK A QUESTION OF, UH, MR. THOMAS? SURE. MR. THOMAS, IF I MAY? YES. UM, I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS FROM THE BEGINNING AND, UM, THE HOUSTON STREET VIADUCT WAS WHAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD FOR THE, UM, CONSIDERATION. WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION REGARDING JEFFERSON STREET VIADUCT, UM, AS YOU ALL WERE, UM, MEANING YOU HAVE A ROBUST OUTREACH AND SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THAT WAS ANYTHING THAT, UM, THE GROUP REVIEWED? YEAH, WELL, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER TO, UH, THE WIDOW SINCE SHE'S THE ONE WHO INITIATED THIS PROCESS, AND IF YOU WOULD, WELL, IF SHE FEELS QUESTION COMFORTABLE ASKING, I DON'T WANNA, UM, DISRUPT ANYTHING. I JUST WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, UM, AND FOLLOW UP TO, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER REAGAN'S, UM, QUESTION, BUT WE'LL, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT SEPARATELY. YEAH. AND, AND KEEP IN MIND THIS PROCESS STARTED LONG BEFORE THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE AS FAR AS WITH THE CONVENTION CENTER CONVENTION, WE WERE ALREADY MOVING IN THIS PROCESS PRIOR TO THAT, SO, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. THANK YOU, SIR. YEAH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SITTING DONE? WE HAVE A BO BY THE VICE CHAIR, SECOND LINE COMMISSIONER WHEELER REAGAN, TO, UM, FOLLOW THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. LET'S GO TO OUR, [Certificate of Appropriateness for Signs - Consent Items] UM, SIGNS CONSENT DOCKET. ITEM 28 IS SIGN DASH 26 DASH 0 0 1 4 1 3. AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE APP APPROPRIATENESS BY VICTORIA MORRIS OF JACKSON WALKER, LLP FOR A 366.3 SQUARE FOOT BACK LIT AND A LETTER SIGN MOUNTED ON THE SOUTHEASTERN FACING FACADE AT 1445 ROSS AVENUE. ITEM NUMBER 29 IS SIGN DASH 26 DASH 0 4 1 4. AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY VICTORIA MORRIS OF JACKSON WALKER, LLP FOR A 366.3 SQUARE FOOT BACKLIT CHANNEL LETTER SIGN MOUNTED ON THE SOUTHWESTERN FACADE AT 1445 ROSS AVENUE. ITEM NUMBER 30 IS SIGN DASH 26 DASH 0 0 1 4 15. AND APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY VICTORIA MORRIS OF JACKSON WALKER, LLP FOUR A 269.8 SQUARE FOOT SIGN BACKLIT CHANNEL LETTER SIGN MOUNTED ON THE SOUTHEASTERN FACING FACADE AT 1 4 4 5 ROSS AVENUE. ITEM NUMBER 31 IS SIGN DASH 26 DASH 0 0 1 4 1 6. AND APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY VICTORIA MORRIS OF JACKSON WALKER, LLP FOR A 269.8 SQUARE FOOT BACKLIT CHANNEL LETTER SIGN MOUNTED ON THE SOUTHWESTERN FA FACING FACADE AT 1 4 4 5 ROSS AVENUE. THANK YOU, MR. ROPER. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON OUR SIGNS CONSENT AGENDA? OKAY, NO SPEAKERS. UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YEAH. REGARDING MATTERS, 28 THROUGH 31 ON THE, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR SIGNED CONSENT AGENDA. I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPT THEM SUBJECT TO, UM, LOOKS LIKE THEY ALL HAVE STAFF AND COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION. GREAT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER SIMS FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT. IT IS 2 47. LET'S TAKE A BRIEF BREAK AND BE BACK AT 3:00 PM ALRIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. WE ARE GOING TO GO BACK ON THE RECORD. ALRIGHT, [14. 26-2529A An application for a new planned development district on property zoned CR Community Retail District and P(A) Parking District, on the south line of Royal Lane and the west line of Preston Road, north of Orchid Lane. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to a development plan and staff’s recommended conditions. Applicant: Leland Burk [RLA-PRDA Investments, LP]; JP Morgan Chase Bank N.A. Representative: Victoria Morris, Suzan Kedron [Jackson Walker LLP] Planner: Martin Bate / Liliana Garza Council District: 13 Z-26-000007] WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO READ IN CASE NUMBER 14? MAYBE IT'S GONNA BE A ROLLERCOASTER TODAY. , I NEED SOME COFFEE. [03:45:01] COFFEE. SOME . ALL RIGHT. ITEM 14 IS CASE Z 26 0 0 0 0 0 7. AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE CR COMMUNITY, RETAIL DISTRICT AND PA PARKING DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF ROYAL LANE ON THE WEST LINE OF PRESTON ROAD, NORTH OF ORCHID LANE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. OKAY, LET'S START WITH SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT AND WE'LL DO TWO MINUTES PER SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM. SIR, CAN YOU TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON? UH, YOU HAVE TO TOUCH THE BUTTON ON THE, OKAY, NOW? YES. OKAY, PERFECT. MY NAME IS HUDSON HENLEY. I LIVE AT 54 15 UR LANE. I LIVE A SHORT WALK TO THE DEVELOPMENT SITE AND, UH, I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT AND I JUST WANTED TO COME HERE AND SPEAK IN SUPPORT. I'M VERY PLEASED WITH OUR FUTURE NEIGHBOR AND CONSIDERING WHAT THEY COULD BUILD BY WRIGHT, BY STATE LAW. I THINK THEY'RE BEING VERY ACCOMMODATING. THEY'VE HIRED REALLY PROFESSIONAL STAFF AND I, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT AND I JUST CAME TO SPEAK IN FAVOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IN SUPPORT, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN. COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS KIRK WILSON. I RESIDE AT 1 0 7 3 9 BRIDGE HOLLOW COURT, WHICH IS LOCATED DOWN THE STREET FROM THE DEVELOPMENT SITE. AND OUR FAMILY MOVED TO DALLAS IN 2014 AND THE TORNADO OCCURRED IN 2019 AND MY SON GOES TO ST. MARK'S AND WHEN THE TORNADO WENT THROUGH, DESTROYED, YOU KNOW, 1200 HOUSES AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WERE DAMAGED IN THE AREA, AND I WOULD DRIVE BY THAT CORNER EV EVERY DAY. YOU'VE GOT FOUR CORNERS THERE. THIS CORNER HAS NEVER REALLY RECOVERED FROM THE TORNADO IN MY JUDGMENT, AND IT'S PROBABLY THE WORST LOOKING CORNER OF THE FOUR. AND WHEN I SAW THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD BY THE DEVELOPER, I WAS VERY EXCITED TO SEE WHAT HE WAS DOING AND KNOWING WHAT HE CAN DEVELOP BY. RIGHT? THIS IS FAR BETTER RESULT FOR EVERY ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS. SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AND I'M SPEAKING IN STRONG SUPPORT TODAY, UH, FOR APPROVAL OF THE PRESTON ROYAL SIDE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IN SUPPORT. MY NAME IS LELAND BURKE, 53 11 PARK LANE IN DALLAS. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN RUBIN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THANK YOU EACH FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THIS CITY. WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT OUR CASE TO YOU TODAY. WE FIRST ANNOUNCED OUR PROPOSED PROJECT NEARLY 10 MONTHS AGO, MEETING WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AND SHARING OUR VISION HAS BEEN A PRIORITY FROM DAY ONE. WE HAVE HOSTED SEVERAL LARGE SCALE MEETINGS WHERE HUNDREDS OF NEIGHBORS HAVE PARTICIPATED, AND WE HAVE MET WITH HUNDREDS OF PRESTON HOLLOW RESIDENTS. WE HAVE LISTENED AND MADE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO OUR ORIGINAL DESIGN. WE ARE PROUD OF THE CASE. WE ARE PRESENTING TO YOU TODAY. IT REPRESENTS A COLLABORATION WITH STAFF, WITH NEIGHBORS, AND MANY EXCELLENT IDEAS FROM THIS COMMISSION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, YOUR SERVICE, AND YOUR CONSIDERATION OF OUR PROPOSED VISION FOR THIS VERY IMPORTANT COMMERCIAL CORNER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, MR. CHAIR, QUICK QUESTION. ARE WE 90 SECONDS OR TWO MINUTES NOW? I, I SAID TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. CAMERON BURKE, 5 9 1 0 OVER DOWNS DRIVE IN DALLAS. I AM A MEMBER OF THE APPLICANT TEAM, A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF PRESTON HOLLOW AND LIVE ONE BLOCK SOUTH OF THE SITE WITH MY WIFE AND OUR 2-YEAR-OLD SON. THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN FROM THE 1950S IS STILL EVIDENT AT PRESTON ROYAL SINGLE STORY RETAIL SURROUNDED BY SURFACE PARKING LOTS. RATHER THAN CONTINUING THAT PATTERN, THIS PROJECT IS CENTERED ON WALKABILITY, PUBLIC SPACES AND GATHERING AREAS, AND CREATING A STRONGER SENSE OF COMMUNITY AS A MAJOR COMMERCIAL INTERSECTION LOCATED ON A STATE HIGHWAY 800 FEET FROM THE TOLLWAY AND SERVING MULTIPLE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. PRESTON ROYAL IS EXACTLY THE TYPE OF LOCATION WHERE A PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. THE PROJECT HAS EVOLVED BY REDUCING THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT BY 85 [03:50:01] FEET, SOFTENING TRANSITIONS, AND MOVING THE TALLEST BUILDING CLOSER TO THE CENTER OF THE SITE. THE REQUESTED HEIGHT IS CONCENTRATED ON ONLY 30% OF THE SITE WITH THE TALLEST PORTION ON JUST 5%. THAT HEIGHT SERVES AN ESSENTIAL PURPOSE BECAUSE OF WHAT IT MAKES POSSIBLE. IT ALLOWS PARKING TO MOVE UNDERGROUND, REDUCES BUILDING FOOTPRINTS AND RESIDENTIAL DENSITY, AND DEDICATES THE GROUND LEVEL TO PEOPLE INSTEAD OF CARS. ULTIMATELY, IT CREATES A LEVEL OF URBAN DESIGN THAT THE EXISTING ZONING DOES NOT REQUIRE. WHEN I THINK ABOUT HOW THIS COMMERCIAL SITE IN THE HEART OF PRESTON HOLLOW CAN BEST SERVE MY COMMUNITY, I DON'T BELIEVE THE ANSWER IN 2026 IS THE SAME AS IT WAS IN 1956. IT'S NOT ONLY ABOUT WHAT THIS SITE BECOMES TODAY, IT'S ABOUT WHAT KIND OF PLACE IT SHOULD BE FOR GENERATIONS TO COME. AS SOMEONE RAISING MY FAMILY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, I LOVE, I BELIEVE THIS PROJECT IS THE RIGHT CHOICE FOR THE FUTURE OF PRESTON HOLLOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IN SUPPORT. HELLO MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. MY NAME IS EVAN BEATTY AND I'M THE CEO OF GFF DESIGN. WE'RE AT 30 30 NASKI WAY IN DALLAS, TEXAS. I BELIEVE THAT THIS PROJECT REPRESENTS A SPECIAL OPPORTUNITY FOR DALLAS, AN OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE WALKABILITY AND PLACEMAKING IN A CAR CENTRIC RETAIL DISTRICT THAT HAS THE INCREDIBLE POTENTIAL TO BE PEDESTRIAN AND HUMAN CENTRIC. AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET OUR GROWING CITY'S NEED FOR QUALITY HOUSING WITHIN A HIGH BARRIER TO ENTRY LOCATION. AS CAMERON MENTIONED, WITHIN 800 FEET OF THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY WITH FRONTAGE ON A STATE HIGHWAY PRESTON ROAD, AS WELL AS A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE, UH, IN ROYAL LANE. THIS PROJECT REPRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DELIVER A HALF ACRE OPEN SPACE THAT'S ACCESSIBLE TO THE COMMUNITY WITH A GENEROUS TREE CANOPY IN CON CONTRAST TO THE OTHER THREE CORNERS, UH, WHICH HAVE NO AMENITIZED OPEN SPACE AND GIANT PARKING FIELDS. AS LELAND AND CAMERON MENTIONED, THE DESIGN WE HAVE PROPOSED HAS BEEN SHAPED MEANINGFULLY, MEANINGFULLY BY COMMUNITY AND STAFF FEEDBACK. WE'VE MAINTAINED A COMMITMENT TO LOCATE ALL OF OUR REQUIRED PARKING BELOW GRADE, AND WE'VE REDUCED OUR PROPOSED HEIGHT MEANINGFULLY FROM 325 FEET TO A MAXIMUM OF 240 FEET, JUST 10% OF THE SITE FOR A DESIGN OF THE QUALITY THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED HERE TO BE BUILT. WE NEED ADDITIONAL HEIGHT TO BE APPROVED AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THE PROPOSED PROJECT DESIGN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IN SUPPORT. HELLO COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS THOMAS G GLENDENING. I'M AT 69 24 DESCO DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 2 5. I MOVED MY YOUNG FAMILY TO THE PRESTON HOLLOW NEIGHBORHOOD ROUGHLY A DECADE AGO. I WANTED TO LIVE IN THE CITY CORE. I FOUGHT MOVING TO THE NORTHERN SUBURBS BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANNA LIVE IN A GENERIC NEIGHBORHOOD SURROUNDED BY GENERIC SHOPPING CENTERS IN COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE IN UPTOWN DALLAS. I'VE SEEN THE URBANIZATION, I'VE SEEN THE VERTICALIZATION OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SHINING STAR THAT COMMUNITY HAS BECOME FOR NOT ONLY THE STATE, BUT FOR THE UNITED STATES. I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE IN UNIVERSITY PARK WHERE WE'VE SEEN RECENT DEVELOPMENTS LIKE 81 11 DOUGLAS, THAT HAVE VERY SIMILAR, UH, UH, UH, SCALE AND SIZE AND, UH, CLASS DOUBLE A MULTIFAMILY CLASS, A OFFICE AND RESTAURANT BECOME A PHENOMENAL DEVELOPMENT. UH, UH, JUST CHIPPING DISTANCE FROM UNIVERSITY PARK BACKYARDS, UH, I OFFICE OFF OF KNOX STREET, WHERE WE'VE SEEN PHENOMENAL DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THE MCKINSEY, LIKE THE GALLATIN, LIKE THE KNOX PROJECT, UH, BECOME PHENOMENAL PROJECTS, CLASS AA, UH, HUGE SUCCESSES AGAIN WITHIN VERY SHORT DISTANCE FROM HIGHLAND PARK BACKYARDS. UH, MY FAMILY LIVES IN, UH, PRESTON HOLLOW. MY PARENTS LIVE IN PRESTON HOLLOW. UH, WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS AT THIS INTERSECTION. I'D LOVE FOR A PLACE FOR MY PARENTS WHO ARE AGING OUT OF THEIR VERY LARGE PRESTON HOLLOW HOME AND WANTING TO DOWNSIZE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO STAY IN OUR COMMUNITY. I'VE BEEN VERY STRONG SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME TODAY. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IN SUPPORT. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. MY NAME IS ADRIAN ZENNI. I LIVE AT 5 5 1 9 ARAPAHOE ROAD IN DALLAS, TEXAS, 7 5 2 4 8. UM, SO FOR REFERENCE, I LIVE JUST UNDER 10 MINUTES AWAY FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT. I DRIVE THROUGH IT ALL THE TIME. UM, AND EVEN THOUGH SADLY I DID TAKE A DAY OF A VACATION DAY FROM WORK TO BE HERE, UH, I DO WANT TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT. UM, AND PRIMARILY I ACTUALLY FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS THROUGH THE OPPOSITION SIDE, THROUGH THEIR, UH, PRESERVED PRESS AND HOLLOW COMMITTEE. I ATTENDED THAT MEETING, UM, AND THEY HAD SOME GOOD POINTS TO BRING UP. SO I WENT HOME. UH, I DID MY OWN RESEARCH. I ENDED UP WRITING A SEVEN PAGE RESEARCH PAPER WITH OVER 150 SOURCES TO ATTRIBUTE, UM, ALL THE WORK IN THAT PAPER TOO. UM, AND ESSENTIALLY I CAME OUT TO THE POINT OF SAYING, WHILE THEY DO BRING UP SOME GOOD POINTS, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE BENEFITS OUTWEIGH THE, OR I BELIEVE THAT THE BENEFITS OUTWEIGH THE DOWNSIDES THAT THEY BRING UP OF THIS PROJECT. UH, IN MY GENERATION, WE HAVE A COST OF LIVING CRISIS AS WELL AS A HOUSING CRISIS NATIONWIDE. AND I DON'T WANNA SEE DALLAS AS A CITY BECOME A CITY WHERE HOUSING BECOMES MORE EXPENSIVE THAN NECESSARY. AND ADDING HOUSING ANYWHERE I THINK IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. DALLAS [03:55:01] ALSO LACKS, UH, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS, ESPECIALLY IN THE FARTHER NORTH AREAS. UH, AND THIS WOULD BE INCREDIBLE. IT HAS TONS OF DIFFERENT USES THAT PEOPLE CAN VISIT, WHETHER THEY LIVE ON THE PROPERTY OR NOT. UH, THIS COULD ALSO INCREASE THE TAX BASE FOR THE CITY. AS COMPANIES HAVE STARTED TO LEAVE, SUCH AS AT AND T MOVING TO PLANO, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE LIVING IN DALLAS PROPER. WHILE I DO BELIEVE PRESERVE PRESTON HOLLOW HAS SOME POINTS ABOUT, UH, TRAFFIC AND NEIGHBORHOOD CULTURE AND, UH, MINOR IMPACT TO THEIR VIEW OF THE NIGHT SKY. UM, AS A RESIDENT, I BELIEVE THAT THIS SHOULD BE BUILT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IN SUPPORT. HELLO, I'M STEVEN MCCOY. I LIVE AT, UH, 71 35 ABERDEEN IN DALLAS. AND, UH, ME AND MY FAMILY, KIND OF OPPOSITE TO WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT. WE MOVED FROM FURTHER UP NORTH WHERE EVERYTHING'S BRAND NEW. THE STREETS ARE AMAZING TO, UH, LIVING RIGHT BEHIND HILLCREST HIGH SCHOOL. THE ROADS ARE LIKE A BAJA TEST SCENE, NO PUN INTENDED, BUT, UH, I THINK THAT'S 'CAUSE THERE'S NO PD ON PATROL, BUT, UH, KEEPS US GOING, KEEPS US GOING SLOW. BUT, UM, AS WE MOVED FROM NORTH DALLAS, WE BROUGHT OUR, MY YOUNG FAMILY, ME AND MY WIFE DOWN TO, UH, PRESTON HOLLOW FOR OUR DAUGHTER TO GO TO SCHOOL AT BOOKER T. AND WOW, WHAT A PARADIGM SHIFT FROM UP NORTH TO HERE. THERE'S LACK OF ALL THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT THIS PROJECT IS BRINGING IN AS A PROPOSAL. AND WITH BEING IN REAL ESTATE OVER 20 YEARS, UH, PEOPLE WANT THE SAME BUT DIFFERENT. WHEN I SAY THAT, AS AGING FAMILY START TO DOWNSIZE FROM THOSE LARGE HOMES, THEY NEED ALTERNATIVE HOUSING. AND THIS PROJECT IS GONNA PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL RESOURCES ON HOUSING TO FULFILL THAT NEED, BUT ALSO THE RETAIL, THE WALKABLE RETAIL, AND THE RESTAURANTS THAT ALL THE SURROUNDING AREAS NEED AND BE MORE OF A POSITIVE LIGHT AND BRING, YOU KNOW, ENERGY BACK TO PRESTON HOLLOW VERSUS IT BEING LIKE MORE OF THE SAME. AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TODAY. SO THANK Y'ALL FOR THE TIME, SO I SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS ADAM MURPHY. I SERVE AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE OAK LAWN COMMITTEE, WHERE WE REVIEW SOME OF DALLAS'S MOST AMBITIOUS AND LARGEST DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. SO I'M BRINGING A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE FROM SEEING PROJECTS IN UPTOWN OAK LAWN, KNOX HENDERSON, TURTLE CREEK, AND SEEN HOW WELL DESIGNED MIXED USE BUILDINGS AND PROJECTS CAN, CAN CREATE AN ACTIVE, WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH HOUSING, RESTAURANTS, RETAIL, AND PUBLIC SPACES. PRESTON HOLLOW NOW HAS THAT OPPORTUNITY. UM, I'VE, I HAVE LEARNED THAT ONCE A BUILDING REACHES A CERTAIN HEIGHT, WHAT PEOPLE EXPERIENCE MOST IS NOT HOW HIGH THE TOWER IS, BUT HOW THE STREET LEVEL EXPERIENCE IS FOR THE, WITH THE SIDEWALKS, LANDSCAPING, TRAFFIC FLOW, ARCHITECTURE AND PUBLIC SPACES. AND THAT'S WHERE THIS DEVELOPER HAS, HAS DELIVERED EXCELLENCE AND WE SHOULD DEMAND IT. UM, THE OTHER THING I WANNA MENTION IS DALLAS IS, AS WE MAKE IT HARDER AND HARDER ON DEVELOPERS, PROJECTS ARE GOING OUT OF THE CITY OF DALLAS BETWEEN THE MAVS, THE STARS AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS. AND SO WE WANNA KEEP THESE HIGH CLASS PROJECTS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS WHERE WE NEED TO INCREASE OUR TAX REVENUE, WE NEED HOUSING, UM, IN, IN THIS AREA. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS. ANOTHER THING IS THIS WILL PROTECT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS BY PROVIDING AND PLACING DENSITY ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ALONG, UH, COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS RATHER THAN IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS OR VERY CLOSE RESIDENTIAL AREAS. IT ALSO CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MAJOR TRAFFIC AND INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AT IT ALSO ADDS RETAIL, RESTAURANTS, HOTEL ROOMS, PUBLIC SPACES, AND MANY OF THE, MANY OF THE AMENITIES THAT PROBABLY A LOT OF FOLKS IN THIS ROOM ARE GONNA USE ONCE, ONCE IT GETS BUILT. AND LASTLY, UM, IT REPLACES UNDERUSED PROPERTY WITH A HIGH QUALITY PRODUCTIVE DEVELOPMENT. AND WE SHOULD, LASTLY, I'LL SAY WE SHOULD NOT CONFUSE HEIGHT WITH HARM. DALLAS CANNOT SAY IT WANTS MORE HOUSING, MORE TAX REVENUE, BETTER INFRASTRUCTURE AND A WORLD CLASS DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, AND THEN REJECT A PROJECT CAPABLE OF DELIVERING ALL FOUR. PLEASE APPROVE THE PRECEDENT ROYAL DEVELOPMENT AS IT'S A GREAT PROJECT FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. GOOD AFTERNOON. THANKS TO EACH OF YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR CITY. MY NAME IS KEN MALCOLMSON, AND I LIVE AT 43 15 BUENA VISTA IN THE KNOX NEIGHBORHOOD FOR MANY YEARS, HOWEVER, MY OFFICE WAS LOCATED ALMOST EXACTLY WHERE THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL BE BUILT. SO I KNOW THIS INTERSECTION AND THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBORHOOD EXTREMELY WELL. I HAVE MANY FRIENDS ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS ISSUE, AND I RESPECT THE THOUGHTFUL OPINIONS THAT HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED. BUT AFTER CAREFULLY CONSIDERING THE PROPOSAL, I STRONGLY SUPPORT THE REQUESTED ZONING CHANGE BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT'LL ENHANCE NOT ONLY THE PRESTON ROYAL AREA, BUT PRESTON HOLLOW AS A WHOLE. THIS SEVEN ACRE SITE REPRESENTS A RARE OPPORTUNITY TO TRANSFORM AN AGING CORNER INTO SOMETHING [04:00:01] THAT REFLECTS THE QUALITY AND CHARACTER OF ONE OF DALLAS'S PREMIER NEIGHBORHOODS. FOLLOWING THE DEVASTATING TORNADO, PRESTON HOLLOW LOST THOUSANDS OF MATURE TREES THAT HELPED DEFINE ITS IDENTITY. THE COMMITMENT TO PLANT APPROXIMATELY 200 NEW TREES IS MORE THAN LANDSCAPING. IT'S AN INVESTMENT IN RESTORING THE BEAUTY AND CHARACTER THAT RESIDENTS VALUE SO DEEPLY. HAVING SPENT MUCH OF MY CAREER LEADING A CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, I'VE SEEN HOW THOUGHTFUL HIGH QUALITY INVESTMENT CAN STRENGTHEN A COMMUNITY FOR GENERATIONS. THIS $800 MILLION PROJECT REPRESENTS THAT KIND OF EVENT INVESTMENT. IT WILL REVITALIZE AN UNDERUTILIZED SITE, BROADEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S HOUSING OPTIONS, AND CREATE AN EXCEPTIONAL GATEWAY INTO PRESTON HOLLOW. PERHAPS MOST IMPORTANTLY, THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE FOR HEIGHT. HEIGHT DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN GREATER DENSITY. IN FACT, THIS PROPOSAL DELIVERS LOWER DENSITY THAN WHAT COULD BE BUILT UNDER CURRENT ZONING. WHILE ALLOWING FOR BETTER ARCHITECTURE, MORE OPEN SPACE, AND A MORE ATTRACTIVE OVERALL DESIGN, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO VIEW THIS SIM NOT SIMPLY AS A ZONING REQUEST, BUT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHAPE A LANDMARK DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL SERVE THIS NA NEIGHBORHOOD AND OUR CITY. THAT'S THE TIME. THANK YOU FOR DECADES TO COME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. NEXT SPEAKER IN SUPPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS VICTOR TOLEDO. I LIVE AT 64 35 TULIP, WHICH IS ACTUALLY AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THIS INTERSECTION. IT'S WALKING DISTANCE TO CENTRAL MARKET, ESCONDIDO, GAZEBO, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE PLACES THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THIS ZONING CASE. I, I LOOKED AT THE ZONING CASE REALLY IN, IN TWO DIFFERENT LENSES. ONE IS A RESIDENT LIVED HERE FOR 30 YEARS. OUR FAMILIES WALKED TO THESE RESTAURANTS AND, AND KNOW IT AND LOVE IT. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULDN'T WANNA LIVE ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY EVEN THOUGH WE, WE'VE HAD OPPORTUNITIES TO. THEN I ALSO LOOK AT IT FROM A REAL ESTATE PERSPECTIVE OF A REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT BACKGROUND. AND WHEN I, WHEN I FIRST HEARD ABOUT THIS, I REMEMBER I TALKED TO MY, TO MY SPOUSE AND SHE SAYS, OH MY GOD, THE CONSTRUCTION'S GONNA BE HORRIBLE. AND I WAS LIKE, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. AND IT WAS HORRIBLE. IT'S BEEN HORRIBLE FOR SIX YEARS UNTIL ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO. NOW EVERYTHING'S BUILT, OUR HOUSE GOT REBUILT. UM, BUT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS TODAY, THERE'S GONNA BE CONSTRUCTION AT THIS SITE. AND WE, WE CAN EITHER HAVE TWO DALLAS DONUTS, YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND UNITS, FIVE STORY, YOU KNOW, ABOVE GROUND PARKING, WHICH WE SEE ALL THE TIME, WHICH IS FINE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY CERTAINLY NEEDS THAT, OR WE CAN HAVE THIS, AND THIS IS WHAT I ENVISION FOR MY NEIGHBORHOOD TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF SET THE STANDARD FOR PRESTON AND HOLLOW TO HAVE UNDERGROUND PARK. A LOT OF THE SAME STANDARDS THAT YOU SEE IN TURTLE CREEK AND OAKLAWN. THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOW GONNA BE, THIS IS GONNA SET THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FOOTPRINT FOR, FOR ANYTHING BEING BUILT IN PRESTON HOLLOW IS GONNA BE AT THIS, AT THIS CALIBER, AND WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY NOW. SO, ADAM, I'M, YOU KNOW, WHOLEHEARTEDLY IN SUPPORT. UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR FROM A LOT OF, A LOT OF PASSIONATE NEIGHBORS TODAY, AND I RESPECT THEM. I RESPECT THEIR OPINIONS, BUT THEY'RE NOT THE ONLY PEOPLE LIVING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE'S OTHERS OF US THAT LIVE THERE THAT LIKE TO SEE THIS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO ENJOY THE TWO YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'LL BE ABLE TO WALK TO THIS SITE JUST LIKE WE DO TODAY. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE REASONS, I CER CERTAINLY, UH, ENCOURAGE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IN SUPPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS KIRK PRESLEY. I WANNA TALK ABOUT OUR FAMILY'S HOUSING EXPERIENCE AROUND PRESTON AND ROYAL. THIS PROJECT WOULD PROVIDE NEW HOUSING CHOICES THAT NORTH DALLAS CURRENTLY LACKS. MY MOTHER-IN-LAW WHO HAS LIVED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 40 YEARS, FACED THIS CHOICE LAST SUMMER, STAY ALONE IN A FIVE BEDROOM HOUSE, OR DOWNSIZE SOMEWHERE SMALLER, BUT LEAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT TOOK US 12 MONTHS TO FIND HER SOMETHING EMPTY. NESTERS, WIDOWS, OLDER COUPLES, DIVORCE RESIDENTS AND ADULT CHILDREN WHO WANNA LIVE NEAR THEIR SICK. PARENTS SHOULD NOT HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN REMAINING IN A LARGE SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR LEAVING THE NEIGHBORHOOD ENTIRELY. APARTMENTS AND CONDOS AT PRESTON AND ROYAL WOULD ALLOW MORE PEOPLE TO MOVE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD INSTEAD OF HAVING TO MOVE AWAY FROM IT. I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JIM GRIFFIN, MY WIFE AND I, SHEILA OR MY WIFE SHEILA AND I, WE LIVE AT 53 27 BOCA RATON, UH, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT NORTHWEST OF THIS LOCATION. UH, I'VE LIVED IN THE PRESTON, ROYAL PRESTON HOLLOW AREA FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS. UM, BEFORE THAT, I, I FREQUENTLY WAS THERE BECAUSE MY GRANDMOTHER HAD A HOUSE THERE ON LAKEHURST, UH, AND I'M 65 YEARS OLD. I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT, THAT MY PRIOR SPEAKERS HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. THE PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW, WANT TO STAY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND SHEILA AND I REALLY ENJOY AND LOVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE DO WANT TO STAY THERE. AND, AND WE'RE PROBABLY NOT TOO FAR AWAY FROM EXPERIENCING A [04:05:01] HOUSING CHANGE, DOWNSIZING OR LOCK AND LEAVE OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT. AND, UH, THIS JUST KIND OF CAME ALONG. IT'S VERY EXCITING TO US AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO BEING ABLE TO STAY RIGHT THERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, THAT I'VE SPENT 65 YEARS IN. SO WE SUPPORT THE PROJECT, WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO SUPPORT THE PROJECT AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IN SUPPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR RUBEN AND COMMISSIONERS. I'M PROUD TO BE HERE TODAY REPRESENTING A TRULY SPECIAL TEAM AND A TRULY BOLD PROJECT. THIS ZONING CASE PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY TO REDEFINE THE FUTURE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD. THE SITE WAS LEVELED BY A TORNADO, THUS PRESENTING A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY. THE QUESTION IS REALLY, WILL WE REBUILD FOR THE FUTURE OR FOR THE PAST? THIS MIXED USE HOUSING FORWARD PROJECT PROVIDES HOUSING CHOICE AND CREATES COMMUNITY. THE DALLAS OF TODAY IS NOT THE DALLAS OF YESTERDAY. PEOPLE ARE CHOOSING TO LEAD TO LIVE DIFFERENTLY AND IT'S NICE TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT A PROJECT THAT ALLOWS HOUSING CHOICE WITHIN THEIR OWN COMMUNITY. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPPORTIVE HERE TODAY. I WILL RETURN TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, BUT I CHALLENGE YOU TO PLEASE VOTE FOR REBUILDING THE FUTURE OF DALLAS. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IN SUPPORT. OKAY, UM, WE HAVE A FEW SPEAKERS SIGNED UP ONLINE IN SUPPORT. SO LET'S SEE IF ANY OF THEM ARE ONLINE. MICHAEL LEWIS, NOT ONLINE. MATEO WANDY, I THINK ADRIAN ZENNI SPOKE IN PERSON. ANN JOHNSON, SHE'S ONLINE. MS. JOHNSON, ARE YOU ONLINE? HELLO? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH, CAN YOU TURN ON YOUR SCREEN? STATE LAW REQUIRES US TO HAVE A VIDEO FEED. YES, THERE WE GO. CAN YOU SEE ME NOW? YES. HELLO, MY NAME IS ANNE JOHNSON. I LIVE AT 59 0 5 NORWAY ROAD. MY HOME IS ABOUT A HALF MILE DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THIS PROJECT. I THINK I WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THESE TALL, THE TALLEST TOWER FROM MY BACKYARD AND ITS RESIDENTS VERY WELL MAY ABLE TO SEE ME. I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS ZONING CHANGE. I LIVE IN ONE OF THE ORIGINAL HOMES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, A MID-CENTURY MODERN BUILT IN 1955. AND WHEN I HEAR MY NEIGHBORS SAY THAT IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ALREADY CHANGED ALL FOR THE GOOD OVER THE LAST 70 PLUS YEARS. THE ONE STORY RANCHERS ON EITHER SIDE OF MY HOUSE WERE TORN DOWN MANY YEARS AGO IN LARGE, EXPENSIVE TWO STORY HOMES. NOW LOOK DIRECTLY INTO MY BACKYARD. I LOST THE EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY IN MY BACKYARD MANY YEARS AGO. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CHANGED LONG AGO, THANKFULLY, AND CONTINUES TO CHANGE AND IT MAKES NO SENSE TO CLINGING TO 1950S ERA ZONING RESTRICTIONS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE VERY LITTLE LOOKS LIKE IT DID IN 1955. I ALSO THINK THIS PROJECT IS GOOD FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE. THE PROJECT WILL BRING NEW ENERGY, NEW PEOPLE, JOBS TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT TO MENTION THE MILLIONS THAT WILL ADD TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FUND. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE AND FOR YOUR CAREFUL CONSIDERATION OF THIS ISSUE. AND PLEASE KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO FEEL AS I DO. WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD THE LOUDEST VOICES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, AND I, ADAM MURPHY SPOKE IN PERSON SO THAT IT CONCLUDES OUR ONLINE SPEAKERS AND SUPPORT. WE'LL GO TO SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION. DOES THAT GO UP OVER THERE? HOW DOES THAT GO ON THE SCREEN? DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION? YES, I'VE, I'VE CLICKED ON IT HERE. OKAY. IT'LL TAKE JUST A SECOND TO LOAD. OKAY, GOT IT. AND THEN I'M JUST GONNA HIT SHARE CONTENT, SHARE [04:10:01] SCREEN, SHARE, SHARE. YEAH, I'VE NEVER DONE THAT. NO WORRIES. UM, AND FOR OTHER ONE'S SAKE, THIS PAGE AND THEN I THINK I JUST NEED THE FIRST PAGE. YEAH. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M DOUG HAZELBAKER. I LIVE AT 63 0 4 ORCHID LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 3 0. AND LOTS OF COMMENTS ABOUT THE CONCESSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, BUT WHAT HAPPENED IS HE ACTUALLY INCREASED THE OVERALL DENSITY. HE WENT FROM AN FAR OF 1.5 TO 1.7, WHICH MEANS BACK IN APRIL HE COULD BUILD 440,000 SQUARE FEET. NOW HE CAN BUILD 538,000 SQUARE FEET. THE LOWER HEIGHT IS 186 FEET TALLER THAN WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW THAN THE CURRENT ZONING WILL ALLOW. AND IT'S 165 FEET TALLER THAN WHAT FORWARD DALLAS WILL ALLOW OR WHAT IT DESCRIBES IN THEIR, IN THEIR PLAN. AND THIS IS PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR STAFF HERE. THIS PD HAS YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ZONING HEIGHT, YOU'RE NOT ZONING USES. SO NO MATTER WHAT THAT 538,000 FEET IS, IF I'M READING THAT RIGHT, THEY COULD BUILD THAT 240 FOOT TOWER. COULD BE ALL RETAIL, IT COULD BE ALL OFFICE, COULD BE MULTI-FAMILY. AM I READING THAT RIGHT MARTIN? SIR, THIS IS JUST THE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. WE'RE NOT, OKAY. WELL WE WOULD, WE WOULD NEED SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT, BUT THERE'S NO SPECIFICITY IN THAT PD. WE ARE IN SUPPORT. A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THIS CORNER DEVELOPING THE HEIGHT IS THE ISSUE. IF EVERYONE BEHIND ME RAISE THEIR HANDS. FOLKS, FOLKS, WE'RE GONNA GET THROUGH ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS, SO PLEASE HOLD YOUR APPLAUSE. THIS IS A HEIGHT ISSUE GUYS, NOT A USE ISSUE. THE USES ARE FINE. THE HEIGHT NEEDS TO COME DOWN. ALL THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT THESE PEOPLE MENTIONED ARE IN URBAN AREAS. THIS IS NOT AN URBAN AREA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT SPEAKER. AND AGAIN, NO APPLAUSE. WE'RE JUST GONNA GO FROM SPEAKER TO SPEAKER AND ALLOW EVERYONE TO GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK MY NAME. EXCUSE ME. MY NAME IS RICHARD LATHAM. I LIVE AT 59 42 JOYCE WAY, 7 5 2 2 5. I'D JUST LIKE VERY BRIEFLY TO PUT THIS INTO A LITTLE BIT OF PERSPECTIVE. THESE THREE MAIN BUILDINGS THAT ARE CALLED FOR ONE OF THEM IS THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE MAIN OFFICE BUILDING IN THE CRESCENT COMPLEX X. THE NEXT ONE DOWN IS THE SAME SIZE AS THE KIRBY, WHICH IS A OLD, THE OLD KIRBY BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS, WHICH HAS BEEN REDONE SEVERAL YEARS AGO AS APARTMENTS. AND THE THIRD ONE THAT WOULD BE THERE IS THE STONELEY HOTEL. NOW THAT'S QUITE A LOT OF HEIGHT WIDTH AND, UH, OVERALL LAND USE ON THAT AREA. SO IF YOU WANT, UH, UH, CRESCENT OFFICE BUILDING, THE OLD KIRBY BUILDING AND THE STONELEY HOTEL THERE, HAVE AT IT. NEXT SPEAKER. GOOD AFTERNOON COUNSEL. MY NAME IS BEAUFORD BAILEY BURKE II. MY WIFE AND I RESIDE AT 59 0 9 OVER DOWN CIRCLE WITHIN THE 500 FOOT NOTIFICATION AREA OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. I'M HERE TODAY TO URGE YOU TO DENY ZONING CHANGE, REQUEST Z 2 6 0 0 0 0 7, WHATEVER BENEFITS ARE BEING PROMISED. THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ASKED PRESTON HOLLOW RESIDENTS TO ABSORB FAR TOO MUCH IN RETURN. SPECIFICALLY 4,400 PRESTON HOLLOW RESIDENTS SAID NO TO THE DEVELOPMENTS PROPOSED HEIGHT AND DENSITY. OUR DISTRICT 13 COUNCIL MEMBER AND CPC REPRESENTATIVE APPEAR TO BE WORKING FOR THE DEVELOPER'S INTEREST WHILE DISMISSING THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONCERN AND OBJECTIONS. THERE IS AN UNDERLYING THREAT THAT TEXAS SENATE BILL EIGHT 40 WILL BE USED TO CONSTRUCT A FIVE STORY 850 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX IF THE DEVELOPMENT IS NOT APPROVED. FIRST, THIS PROJECT IS OUT OF SCALE WITH ITS SURROUNDINGS. IT WOULD TOWER 240 FEET OVER THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS RESULTING IN PERMANENT INCREASE IN TRAFFIC, MULTI-YEAR CONSTRUCTION DISRUPTION AND DELAYS, CONSTANT NOISE, LESS PRIVACY, AND CREATE AN UNWANTED SELF-AGGRANDIZING SPECTACLE FOREVER CHANGING THE CHARACTER OF PRESTON HOLLOW, [04:15:05] A PROJECT OF THE SCALE SHOULD BE DEFINED BY CLEAR PUBLIC BENEFIT AND SUPPORT, NOT BY DEVELOPER GREED. WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS DESCRIBED ON NBC CHANNEL FIVE ON APRIL 27TH, 2026 BY LELAND R BURKE AS A LEGACY PROJECT FOR THE DEVELOPER'S FAMILY AND PARTNERS, IT SENT UP A RED FLAG. THE DEVELOPER CARE LESS ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, BUT IT WOULD FATTEN HIS FAMILY'S BANK ACCOUNT. OVER THE PREVIOUS FOUR MONTHS, PRESTON HOLLOW RESIDENTS HAVE MADE THEIR OPPOSITION TO THIS DEVELOPMENT CLEAR. HOWEVER, OUR DISTRICT 13 COUNCIL MEMBER FEELS THAT SHE ALONE CAN DECIDE WHAT IS BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY OVER THE OBJECTIONS THAT PEOPLE, THAT'S YOUR TIME OF THE PEOPLE THAT ELECTED HER FOR THIS REASON. THE ZONING COMMISSION WOULD. SIR, THAT'S YOUR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS DIANE BENJAMIN. I'M A RESIDENT OF 65 30 WAGONER DRIVE AND THE PRECINCT CHAIR FOR WHICH THIS PRECINCT IS LOCATED. AND I DIDN'T REFERENCE ANY POLITICAL PARTY BECAUSE THIS IS A NON-PARTISAN ISSUE. IT IS A COMMUNITY ISSUE THAT AFFECTS EVERY HOMEOWNER REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL PERSUASION. AS A REALTOR OF 47 YEARS AND PROBABLY SOLD MANY OF YOU YOUR HOMES, I HAVE A PROFESSIONAL AND ETHICAL OBLIGATION TO PROTECT THE VALUE OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AS WELL AS THE SAFETY, SECURITY AND QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN WHICH I SERVE. THIS PROPOSED PROJECT REPRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT STEP TOWARDS THE URBANIZATION OF THE SUBURBS, AND OUTCOME OF AN OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE CONSISTENTLY OPPOSED. MY PER PERSPECTIVE IS ALSO INFORMED BY DECADES OF CIVIC INVOLVEMENT. I WAS A FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE PRESTON HOLLOW NORTH HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, WHICH NOW REPRESENTS APPROXIMATELY 7 950 MEMBERS. AND I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF SERVING AS PRESIDENT OF ALSO OF THIS ORGANIZATION AS WELL, AS WELL AS I RAN FOR CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT 13 BECAUSE I BELIEVE ELECTED OFFICIALS SHOULD BE REPRESENTING THEIR CONSTITUENTS. I OPPOSE THIS FOR MANY REASONS AND I'VE EXPRESSED DEEP FRUSTRATION THAT THIS, THAT THE VOICES HAVE NOT BEEN ADEQUATELY HEARD ON THIS ISSUE. LELAND, YOU HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT A DESIRE TO CREATE LEGACY. MAAM, PLEASE DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO ME AS THE CHAIR. EXCUSE ME. IF YOU WANT A LEGACY FOR YOUR PLAN, YOUR I NEED TO DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO ME AS THE CHAIR DEDICATE THIS LAND FOR, I NEED YOU TO DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS AS TO ME AS THE CHAIR. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO STOP SPEAKING. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS RE HAWKINS BROWN. I LIVE AT 58 0 1 ORCHID LANE. I LIVE WITHIN 75 FEET IN THE 500 FEET CIRCLE OF WHERE THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT IS BEING PROPOSED. I AM VEHEMENTLY AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT BEING CONSTRUCTED DUE TO THE DENSITY, THE INTENDED INCREASE IN TRAFFIC IN AN ALREADY VERY DANGEROUS INTERSECTION. I LAUGH AT THIS CONCEPT OF WALKABILITY THAT IS BEING PUSHED AS A REASON TO JUSTIFY THIS DEVELOPMENT AS BEING ALIGNED WITH DALLAS FORWARD AND WHATEVER OTHER THINGS THE DEVELOPER HAS PRESENTED AS POSITIVE ON THE ISSUE OF CONTEXT SENSITIVITIES. NO ONE IS LISTENING TO THE CONSTITUENTS OF DISTRICT 13. YOUR STAFF MEMBER EARLIER TODAY DID NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT THEY HAD SOUGHT INPUT OF RESIDENTS AROUND THIS DEVELOPMENT. THAT IS A TRAVESTY THAT IS NOT RIGHT. OUR COUNCIL PERSON REFUSES TO MEET WITH CONSTITUENTS, WILL NOT RESPOND TO CORRESPONDENCE WITH DETAILED ANSWERS AND DOES NOT RESPON DOES NOT REFLECT THE SENTIMENT OF HER CONSTITUENTS WHO DO NOT WANT TO SEE THIS DEVELOPMENT PROCEED. I URGE YOU TO VOTE AGAINST IT DESPITE WHATEVER ALIGNMENT YOU FEEL IT IS WITH DALLAS FORWARD. THERE IS NO CONTEXT SYNERGY WITH WHAT THE CONSTITUENTS WANT. NEXT SPEAKER. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. AGAIN, NO APPLAUSE. WE'RE JUST GONNA GO FROM SPEAKER TO SPEAKER. GOOD AFTERNOON AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE. MY NAME IS KEVIN RABINOWITZ AND I LIVE AT 58 0 7 NORWAY. I'M A THIRD GENERATION RESIDENT OF PRESTON HOLLOW AND HOMEOWNER IN PRESTON HOLLOW. I SUPPORT REDEVELOPING PRESTON ROYAL, BUT THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE. THE ISSUE IS WHETHER THE SITE SHOULD BE, NOT WHETHER IT SHOULD BE IMPROVED, BUT WHETHER THE REQUESTED HEIGHT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S ADOPTED PLANNING POLICIES [04:20:01] AND STANDARDS GOVERNING ZONING DECISIONS. I BELIEVE THEY'RE NOT FORWARD. DALLAS EMPHASIZES PRESERVING STABLE NEIGHBORHOODS AND ENSURING COMPATIBILITY THROUGH APPROPRIATE TRANSITIONS BETWEEN HIGHER INTENSITY DEVELOPMENT AND ADJACENT HOMES. THOSE PRINCIPLES EXIST FOR CASES LIKE THIS. A VIBRANT, WALKABLE, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT SIMILAR TO THE WEST VILLAGE, COULD BE BUILT WITH AN EXISTING ZONING WITHOUT TOWERS OF THIS HEIGHT. THIS IS NOT A CHOICE BETWEEN REDEVELOPMENT AND NO REDEVELOPMENT. IT'S A CHOICE ABOUT COMPATIBLE REDEVELOPMENT. THE PROPOSED PA TOWERS ARE OUTTA SCALE WITH SURROUNDING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE LINES OF SIGHT INTO MY YARD, LIKE MY NEIGHBOR ANN'S. UM, THESE, UH, I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO APPLY THE CITY'S ADOPTED PRINCIPLES OF COMPATIBILITY, APPROPRIATE TRANSITION AND NEIGHBORHOOD PRESERVATION. WE DESERVE THOUGHTFUL REINVESTMENT, BUT AT A SCALE THAT FITS THE SURROUNDING AREA. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IN SUPPORT OR IN OPPOSITION. OPPOSED? GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS MEGAN RATCLIFFE AND MY FAMILY RESIDES AT 5 7 1 7 WALNUT HILL LANE. SO WE ARE ONE STOPLIGHT UP FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND WE STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS PROJECT. WE'RE AT PRESTON HOLLOW OR PRESTON ROYAL, SOMETIMES MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY. BUT OUR PRIMARY STOP IS THE SCHOOL. WE HAVE TWO SONS AND BOTH OF THEM ATTEND ST. MARK'S SCHOOL OF TEXAS. PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH SURPRISED THE BOYS THIS SPRING AND SPOKE AT ONE OF THEIR ASSEMBLIES. HE CALLED IT THE MIGHTY ST. MARK'S. IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR, OUR SCHOOL IS A PILLAR OF THE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR OUTSTANDING ACADEMICS, BUT BECAUSE ST. MARK'S TRULY CARES ABOUT WHAT'S BEST FOR ITS STUDENTS AND ITS COMMUNITY. 91% OF PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE NOTIFICATION AREA VOTED THEIR OPPOSITION TO THIS DEVELOPMENT. ST. MARK'S WAS ONE OF THEM. ST. MARK'S DOES NOT THINK THIS IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF ITS STUDENTS OR ITS COMMUNITY. IT'S HARD TO ENVISION THE KIDS WALKING ALONG PRESTON ROYAL ON A GAME NIGHT TO GRAB A BURGER TO MEET UP WITH THE GIRLS. WITH THREE HIGH RISES WORTH OF RESIDENTS AND EMPLOYEES ADDED TO THE MIX AND THEIR CARS. THIS IS ALREADY A VERY BUSY INTERSECTION THOSE OF US WHO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY WENT THROUGH THE TORNADO TOGETHER. WE CAME TOGETHER AND WE HELPED EACH OTHER AND WE HAVE TO DRIVE BY THIS BLIGHT THAT IT CREATED EVERY DAY. WE WANT DEVELOPMENT, BUT NOT THIS. YOUR, PLEASE LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY AND KEEP THE ZONING AS IS. THANK YOU, MA'AM. YOUR TIME. PLEASE DON'T GO HIGH RISES. MA'AM, ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY SON SON'S SCHOOL TIME. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, NEXT SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS MARK DORAN AND WE RESIDE AT 11 1 24 WESTMERE CIRCLE, WHICH IS ABOUT 9 CENTS OF A MILE EAST OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. I'M A DEVELOPER AT HEART. I SPENT 42 YEARS WITH THREE OF THE MOST PROLIFIC COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT COMPANIES IN THE COUNTRY, MOST NOTABLY LINCOLN PROPERTY COMPANY AND TRANSWESTERN. SO I HAVE A PERSPECTIVE ON THIS, HAVING SEEN DEVELOPMENT DONE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY SUCCESSFULLY, I WOULD TELL YOU WHEN I LOOK AT THE SCALE AND SOME OF THE ASPECTS, PARTICULARLY THE HEIGHT OF THIS PROJECT, IT, I'M NOT SURE I'VE SEEN ONE THAT HAS POTENTIALLY IS DRAMATICALLY NEGATIVE EFFECT ON THE COMMUNITY AND SURROUNDING AREAS. THIS ONE DOES. UM, SOMEONE MENTIONED EARLIER THE PRESTON PRESTON CENTER, UH, AREA. I HAVE INTIMATE FAMILIARITY WITH ZONING THERE. I WAS AT TRANSWESTERN WHEN IT SOUGHT, UM, ZONING FOR WHAT'S CALLED THE LAUREL, WHICH IS A LUXURY APARTMENT COMPLEX LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THAT PROJECT. IT'S SEVEN ACRES THE SAME SIZE AS THIS SITE. WENT THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS AND ENDED UP WITH FOUR STORIES, MAXIMUM ZONING ON NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, THE BUSIEST EAST WEST CORRIDOR IN NORTH DALLAS BETWEEN WOODALL ROGERS AND LBJ AND STEPPING DOWN AS IT GOT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND YOU CONTRAST THAT WITH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, WHICH ARE IS THE DENSITY AND HEIGHT THAT ARE MULTIPLES OF THAT. YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE CARS AND THE TRUCKS AND SO FORTH. THEY'RE GONNA SERVICE ALL THAT ENTITY. UM, I I, WELL, ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS THINKING ABOUT IS JUST SORT OF HEIGHT. THINK ABOUT THE STATUE OF LIBERTY WITHOUT THE CROWN. PUT IT AT THAT CORNER OF THIS PROPOSED SITE, AND THAT'S THE HEIGHT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND, AND IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT'S JUST NOT IN CONCERT WITH WHAT'S GOING ON AND [04:25:01] SHOULD BE GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY. SO I THINK THERE'S A WIN-WIN HERE. I'M HOPEFUL THAT YOU ALL AND THE CITY STAFF WILL RE REJECT THIS APPROACH, BUT WORK WITH THE DEVELOPERS ON SOMETHING THAT'S MORE IN, UH, MORE CONSISTENT AND BALANCED WITH THE COMMUNITY THAT PROVIDES THE AMENITIES THAT HAVE ALL BEEN TALKED ABOUT, WHICH SOUND FABULOUS. JUST DEAL WITH THE IMPLICATIONS IN A, IN A LITTLE MORE REASONABLE WAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. NEXT SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION. THANK YOU, CHAIR RUBIN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. MY NAME IS GREG HAMILL. I LIVE AT 62 10 LAKEHURST IN DALLAS, 7 5 2 3 0. UH, AS I THINK YOU ALL KNOW, PRESERVE PRESTON HOLLOW IS A GRASSROOTS EFFORT THAT STARTED SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. UH, PART OF OUR EFFORTS HAVE BEEN TO RAISE AWARENESS AND OPPOSITION TO THIS PD. UH, PART OF THAT PROCESS WAS, UH, GETTING SIGNATURES ON OUR PETITION. AS HAS BEEN SAID, WE HAVE OVER 4,500 SIGNATURES ON THAT PETITION. JUST IN CASE YOU'RE CURIOUS. THAT'S WHAT 4,500 LOOKS LIKE. I'VE GOT THREE SLIDES FOR YOU. THE FIRST ONE SHOWS THE PLOTS OF THOSE 4,500 SIGNEES. UM, THAT IS, UH, THEIR, UM, ADDRESS, UH, SHOWN HERE WITH THE RED DOTS. THIS SHOWS THE BREADTH OF THE OPPOSITION TO THIS PD. THE SECOND SLIDE SHOWS THE 500 FOOT BLUE CARD NOTIFICATION ZONE 258 OF THE 283 RECIPIENTS OF THE CARDS OPPOSED, UM, UH, REGISTERED THEIR OPPOSITION TO THIS PD. THE HIGHLIGHTS ON THIS SLIDE ARE THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO OBJECTED. THIS CONSISTS OF SINGLE FAMILY OWNERS, CONDO OWNERS, ST. LUKE'S EPISCOPAL CHURCH, ST. MARK'S SCHOOL OFFICE BUILDING OWNERS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPOSED SITE, AND, UH, INTERESTINGLY, MAJOR PROPERTY OWNER ACROSS THE STREET, ACROSS PRESTON ROAD, THE PAGEANT FAMILY. UH, THEY HAVE THE RETAIL PROPERTY THAT HAS THE CENTRAL MARKET ON IT. THE FINAL SLIDE, UM, I WANT TO ACTUALLY READ A LETTER FROM ALAN PAGEANT. HE REPRESENTS THE PAL PAGEANT FAMILY. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION. MY NAME IS MARY KAY GOVE. I LIVE AT 6 1 1 5 REX DRIVE AND I HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 22 YEARS. I WORK FOR A SMALL REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT FIRM THAT BUILDS RESIDENTIAL SUB SUBDIVISIONS THROUGHOUT THE METROPLEX. EVERY MUNICIPALITY THAT WE APPROACH IS EXTREMELY PROTECTIVE OF THEIR COMMUNITY. THEY INSIST ON WALKING TRAILS, PLAYGROUNDS, PICKLEBALL, COURTS FOUNTAINS, BEAUTIFULLY LANDSCAPED ENTRY FEATURES, AND DECENT SIZED LOTS. SIMILARLY, I WAS IN A HOUSTON SUBURB THIS WEEKEND AND A DEVELOPER IS DEVELOPING AN 8.6 ACRE PARCEL. HE'S KEEPING THREE OF THOSE ACRES AS GREEN SPACE AND HE IS ONLY BUILDING 111 CONDOS ON THE REMAINING FIVE ACRES. I RECOGNIZE THAT DALLAS IS A MUCH OLDER AND LARGER CITY, AND I APPLAUD THE DALLAS CITY LEADERS FOR DEVELOPING THE FORWARD DALLAS MASTER PLAN THAT IDENTIFIES THE NEED FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS SPRINKLED THROUGHOUT DALLAS NEAR MASS TRANSIT STATIONS. GIVEN THERE ARE NO DARK TRAIN STATIONS ANYWHERE NEAR PRESTON AND ROYAL, THIS IS NOT A WISE PLACE TO BUILD A MASSIVE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. I DRIVE THROUGH THE PRESTON ROYAL INTERSECTION MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY AND WITNESS PEOPLE RUNNING RED LIGHTS, INCLUDING TODAY WHEN I CAME DOWN HERE. THIS INTERSECTION CURRENTLY HAS A D TRAFFIC RATING. IT CANNOT HANDLE THE INCREASED TRAFFIC OF A 12 STORY OFFICE BUILDING. 175 APARTMENTS, 50 CONDOMINIUMS, 150 HOTEL ROOMS AND MULTIPLE RESTAURANTS. FINALLY, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE BURKE INTEREST WEBSITE AND THE GREENWAY INVESTMENT COMPANY WEBSITES? I HAVE. AND I CAN'T FIND A SINGLE DEVELOPMENT THEY'VE DONE. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. TALLER THAN YOU, MA'AM. NEXT SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME'S DAVID EK. I LIVE AT 68 0 6 WAGNER DRIVE. I WAS FORMERLY THE, [04:30:01] UH, PRESIDENT OF THE NORTH DALLAS, UH, D UH, THE PRESIDENT HOLLOW NORTH HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. AND, UH, I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK ABOUT THE HEIGHT THAT'S, THAT'S ALREADY BEEN, UH, SPOKEN OF. I WANT TO GET INTO A LITTLE BIT OF THE LOGISTICS. UH, RIGHT NOW PRESTON AND ROYAL ARE TWO VERY HEAVILY CONGESTED, UH, THOROUGHFARES. UH, WE ALREADY LOSE THE RIGHT LANE ON PRESTON WHEN ST. MARK'S GETS OUTTA SCHOOL AND, UH, JUST THINK WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO STAGE ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS AND MATERIALS THAT ARE GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT. THE, THE AVERAGE CONCRETE TRUCK HOLDS EIGHT TO 10 CUBIC YARDS OF CONCRETE. IF YOU WANT TO POUR SAY, A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT FLOOR, YOU'RE GONNA REQUIRE 30 CONCRETE TRUCKS. ONCE THEY START, THEY DON'T STOP. AND THAT'S JUST FOR ONE FLOOR. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 30 CONCRETE TRUCKS STACKED UP ON, ON ROYAL LANE OR PRESTON ROAD. IT'S THIS, THIS PROJECT WAS TOTALLY ILL CONCEIVED AND IT'S JUST EGREGIOUS FROM THE, THE DEVELOPMENTS PERSPECTIVE TO PUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS TOTALLY INCOMPATIBLE TO IT. UH, WHERE ARE ALL THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS GOING TO PARK? THIS IS A FIVE YEAR PROJECT. UH, THIS IS GONNA GO ON FOR FIVE YEARS. THERE'S GONNA BE DIRT AND DUST AND JUST EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT IS WILL NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE THE FUNNY PART IS THEY CLAIM THAT IT'S GOING TO HELP THE WALKABILITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S 106 DEGREES OUTSIDE. I DON'T SEE A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE WALKING THE CENTRAL MARKET OR TO TOM THUMB OR ANY PLACE IN THAT AREA. OKAY, THANK YOU. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU SIR. NEXT SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION. MY NAME'S DAN SEN FROM 59 0 5 ORCHARD LANE. I'M A RETIRED ARCHITECT AND FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS I'VE BEEN AROUND AVIATION, ESPECIALLY AT DALLAS LOVE FIELD AS WELL AS HOUSTON HOBBY AND BASIC AVIATION TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS. AND I'M HERE AGAINST REZONING FOR THIS ISSUE. 'CAUSE STRICTLY FROM A LIFE SAFETY POINT OF VIEW AND EVEN THE DEVELOPER'S OWN TRAFFIC STUDIES DOESN'T SAY OTHERWISE. FIRE STATION 41 SITS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE SITE. EVERY TRUCK THAT ROLLS OUT IN AN EMERGENCY DEPENDS ON A CLEAR PATH THROUGH PRESTON AND ROYAL, ALTHOUGH ALREADY ONE OF THE MOST JAMMED INTERSECTIONS IN THE CITY, THIS PROJECT WILL ADD FAR MORE TRAFFIC INTO THAT INTERSECTION THAT THE TRAFFIC CITY THAT THEY PROVIDED THAT HASN'T BEEN MEASURED PROPERLY. WE DOUBT THE TRAFFIC. THE TIAA TRAFFIC ANALYSIS REPORT BY THE DEVELOPER 'CAUSE THE T UH, THE TECH STOCK ROADWAY DATA IN INFORMATION'S INCONSISTENT. THE TRAFFIC COUNTS DON'T MATCH FROM ONE INTERSECTION TO THE NEXT AND IT'S GOT THE ROADS AND LANES WRONG, WHICH THROWS OFF EVERYTHING BUILT ON THAT, INCLUDING HOW BAD THE BACKUPS WILL REALLY BE, WHICH THEY DIDN'T CLEARLY IDENTIFY THAT MATTER BECAUSE OF THE MATTERS. IF THE NUMBERS ARE WRONG, WE WON'T SEE IT COMING UNTIL THE TRUCKS AND CARS BACK UP AND BLOCK STATION 41 RIGHT UP TO INCLUDING ST. MARK'S SCHOOL AND ALSO DOES NOT ADDRESS THE PARKING SITUATION OR WHEN THE DEVELOPER'S OWN TRAFFIC ENGINEER WAS ASKED DIRECTLY WHETHER THE STUDY LOOKED AT FIRE AND SAFETY IMPACT, THE ANSWER WAS SIMPLY NO. IT'S GOTTEN WORSE SINCE THE STUDY SHOWS THAT TWO TRAFFIC SIGNALS THAT WERE INITIALLY PROPOSED AT PRESTON AND CENTRAL MARKET AND ROYAL AND TOM THUMB, THE DEVELOPER'S NOW HAS DROPPED, NOT DELAYED, DROPPED. THAT'S ONE FIX THIS STUDY LEANS ON IS GONE. AS AN ARCHITECT, I KNOW WHEN REAL SAFETY ANALYSIS LOOKS LIKE, AND THIS ONE ISN'T DENIED, THIS REZONING OR AT LEAST DELAY UNTIL THE INDEPENDENT UPDATED TRAFFIC STUDY IS DONE, ONE THAT MATCHES THE ACTUAL PROJECT AND LOOKS AT HOW FAST FIRE STATION 41 CAN RESPOND TO EMERGENCIES. IT'S NOT A TECHNICALITY, IT'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FIRE THAT'S CONTAINED AND ONE THAT'S SPREAD OR SOMEBODY MAY DIE. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. HELLO, MY NAME IS DYLAN INGER. I LIVE AT 5 9 0 9 ZALEA LANE. I'M A SENIOR AT ST. MARK'S. I'VE BEEN THERE SINCE FIFTH GRADE AND BEFORE THAT I ATTENDED DELEY MONTESSORI JUST DOWN THE STREET. BOTH OF MY SCHOOLS ARE AMONG THE MANY. THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL AFFECT SINCE FIFTH GRADE. I'VE WALKED THROUGH THE PRECEDENT ROYAL INTERSECTION MORE TIMES THAN I CAN COUNT BEFORE AND AFTER SCHOOL, DURING OFF-CAMPUS LUNCH, ON GAME NIGHTS, ON WEEKENDS. AND NOW THAT I'M A TEENAGE DRIVER, I'M EXPERIENCING THAT SAME CONGESTION FROM BEHIND THE WHEEL. STILL LEARNING TO DRIVE IN AN INTERSECTION THAT'S ALREADY STRUGGLING. TRAFFIC BRINGS OUT BAD BEHAVIOR IN DRIVERS. I'VE SEEN IT FIRSTHAND AND THE CITY IS BEING ASKED TO MAKE THAT DRAMATICALLY WORSE. PRESTON ROYAL ALREADY GETS A D FOR TRAFFIC FLOW AND IT BLEEDS INTO NEIGHBORHOODS WITH NO SIDEWALKS WHERE DRIVERS CUT THROUGH THE STREETS, KIDS ARE BIKING [04:35:01] ON. FIREFIGHTERS ALREADY USE MY STREET TO AVOID THAT INTERSECTION BEFORE SINGLE SHUFFLE BRAKES GROUND. AS A SENIOR, I PROBABLY WON'T BE HERE FOR THE MANY YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION, EXCAVATION, BLASTING, AND DIESEL TRUCKS RIGHT NEXT TO MY SCHOOL AND ACROSS FROM PRESCHOOL. BUT THIS ISN'T ABOUT PROTECTING MY OWN DAILY ROUTE, I FEEL I FELT LIKE I HAD TO SPEAK UP ANYWAY FOR THE MARKSMAN WHO COME AFTER ME, WHO WILL BE WALKING, DRIVING, AND BIKING THROUGH THIS INTERSECTION FOR YEARS AFTER I'M GONE. ST. MARK'S HAS ALWAYS TRIED TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO THIS COMMUNITY. THIS PROJECT DOESN'T HOLD ITSELF TO THE SAME STANDARD. I'M NOT AGAINST THIS CORNER GETTING BETTER. I JUST WANT IT REDEVELOPED INTO SOMETHING THAT FITS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION AND DANGEROUS TRAFFIC. PLEASE DENY THIS REZONING. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION. HELLO, MY NAME IS KATIE LEVITT AND I LIVE AT 51 25 METERS LANE. I'M OPPOSED TO THE PROPOSED REZONING AT PRESTON AND ROYAL. CAN YOU HEAR ME? IS THAT BETTER? YES. OKAY. OCTOBER 20TH, 2019 WAS A VERY DIFFICULT DAY FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THANKFULLY SOMEHOW NO ONE WAS KILLED IN THE TORNADO. OCTOBER 21ST IS A DAY I WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER BECAUSE OUR NEIGHBORS CAME TOGETHER. WE STOOD UNITED THEN AND WE STAND ALMOST UNANIMOUSLY UNITED NOW AGAINST THE PROPOSED REZONING AND DEVELOPMENT AT PRESTON ROYAL IN ITS CURRENT FORM AT ITS CURRENT HEIGHT. IF YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT AND HAVE NEVER SAT THROUGH RUSH HOUR ON ROYAL LANE, I SUGGEST YOU SHOULD TRY IT BECAUSE IT'S TERRIBLE. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL WORSEN IT. WE HAVE TO BE HONEST ABOUT THAT, BUT THIS HAS AN IMPACT BEYOND JUST FRUSTRATING THE NEIGHBORS. WILL THE FIREFIGHTERS AT PRESTON ROYAL BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO EMERGENCIES AS EFFICIENTLY? WILL POLICE AND AMBULANCES GET STUCK LEADING TO LIFE-THREATENING DELAYS IN CARE? IS THERE ENOUGH OF A POLICE PRESENCE TO SUPPORT SUCH AN INFLUX OF PEOPLE? ADDITIONALLY, MY DAUGHTER ATTENDS THE WINSTON SCHOOL AND THEY WALK ACROSS THE STREET WEEKLY TO THE PRESTON ROYAL LIBRARY. WILL THE CITY BE PUTTING A STOPLIGHT IN OR BUILDING A BRIDGE SO THAT MY KIDS CAN SAFELY CROSS THE STREET THERE? FINALLY, I SPOKE WITH A CIVIL ENGINEER WHO EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE BUILDING SHOULD ANOTHER TORNADO HIT. HE SAID THAT THE BUILDING COULD THROW DEBRIS TO THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, AND A SAFETY STUDY IS NECESSARY TO IDENTIFY FAILURE MODES OF THE BUILDING AND THE POSSIBLE DEBRIS FIELD. WE WERE LUCKY IN 2019, BUT WE MAY NOT BE SO LUCKY NEXT TIME, ESPECIALLY IF THOUGHT ISN'T GIVEN TO THE AMOUNT OF DAMAGE SUCH A TALL BUILDING COULD DO IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION. HELLO, MY NAME IS STACY S SMITHERMAN. I LIVE AT 1 1 2 3 2 JAMESTOWN ROAD DIRECTLY NORTH OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. I THINK ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT THE CITY IS ALL THE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS THAT PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED. SOMETHING, UM, HERE TODAY AND THAT YOU CAN CHOOSE FROM. WHEN I MOVED HERE 20 YEARS AGO, I CHOSE PRESTON HOLLOW. I CHOSE IT FOR ITS CHARACTER AND I CHOSE IT FOR ITS NEIGHBORHOOD VALUES. BUT NOW THIS DEVELOPER WANTS TO DICTATE THE TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOOD I HAVE TO LIVE IN AND MAKE IT MORE URBAN. HE WANTS TO ADD SKYSCRAPERS AND DENSITY AND MORE TRAFFIC TO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I DID NOT CHOOSE TO ORIGINALLY LIVE IN. THE REASON HE WANTS TO DO THIS IS HIS PERSONAL LEGACY. HE, IT HAS BEEN, HE HAS BEEN QUOTED AS SAYING THAT THIS WOULD HAVE A DA MOVING AND DY A DYNAMIC IMPACT ON THIS COMMUNITY, BUT IT IS AN IMPACT THAT THIS COMMUNITY DOES NOT WANT AND OVERWHELMINGLY DOES NOT NEED. I THINK IT'S THE REAL LEGACY OF THIS PROPOSED REZONING AND DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE IRREPARABLE HARM TO THE CHARACTER OF ONE OF THE BEST NEIGHBORHOODS IN DALLAS AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF ITS LONG-TERM RESIDENTS. I AM IN FAVOR OF DEVELOPMENT AT PRESTON ROYAL. IT IS LITERALLY LESS THAN A QUARTER MILE FROM MY HOUSE, BUT I WOULD ASK FOR YOU TO DENY THE ZONING REQUEST AND THIS AND THIS DEVELOPMENT SO THAT WE AND MY ME AND MY NEIGHBORS CAN CONTINUE TO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE CHOSE AND HAVE CONTINUED TO SUPPORT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR COURT'S CONSIDERATION. I ASK YOU TO DENY THIS REQUEST. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. HI, COMMISSION. MY NAME IS DANIELLE BRAULT. I RESIDE AT 41 59 SARANA DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 2 0. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS. UM, I GREW UP IN DALLAS. I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE. I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT OF DALLAS AS A BIG CITY, SMALL TOWN, AND I'M MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE SMALL TOWN SIDE OF DALLAS. I WENT TO ST. MONICA URSULINE ACADEMY AND WHEN I GRADUATED I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE BIG CITY WAS LIKE. SO I MOVED TO LOS ANGELES FOR COLLEGE AND THEN, UM, AFTER I GRADUATED, I MOVED TO NEW YORK CITY. AND WHEN I WAS IN NEW YORK CITY, I WOULD CALL MY MOM PRETTY HYSTERICAL. MOM, I CAN'T SEE THAT LINE WHERE THE GROUND MEETS THE SKY. AND SHE'S LIKE, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, STRANGE THAT IT WOULD MAKE YOU SO UPSET, BUT IT REALLY DID AFFECT MY MOOD. AND, UM, JUST SEEING THAT HORIZON LINE [04:40:01] WHENEVER THE PLANE WOULD LAND BACK IN DALLAS AND SEEING THAT FLAT PLANE REALLY MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE FOR ME AND MADE ME FEEL MORE GROUNDED. AND I THINK OUR CITY HAS ALWAYS BEEN A REALLY GROUNDING PLACE FOR ME THAT PRESTON ROYAL SHOPPING CENTER IS, UM, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A TOWN SQUARE. WE DO A LOT OF OUR SHOPPING THERE. UM, I HAVE A SMALL BUSINESS. I DO MY SHIPPING THERE. UM, AND FAST FORWARD, I MOVED BACK TO DALLAS FROM THE BIG CITY FOR MY SMALL TOWN VIBE. AND I ASKED MY PARENTS HOW, HOW WILL I RAISE MY CHILDREN THE SAME WAY? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED TO RAISE THEM THE SAME WAY I WAS RAISED IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD I GREW UP IN. FAST FORWARD, MY HUSBAND AND I ARE TAKING OUR TWO SMALL CHILDREN TO SHAKE SHACK AT PRESTON ROYAL AND WE SEE SEVEN TEENAGERS ZOOM IN ON ELECTRIC BIKES AND THEY'RE LIKE, HURRY, HURRY, GO, GO, GO. SHE'S, SHE'S COMING AND A CAR PULLS IN AROUND THEM, ROLLS DOWN HER WINDOW AND IS LIKE, I KNOW WHO YOUR MOM IS AND I'M CALLING HER RIGHT NOW. AND TO ME THAT WAS SO BIG AND THAT'S WHY WE LIVE HERE. WE WANT THAT VILLAGE. UM, WE WANT THAT NOSTALGIA. AND SO I JUST CHALLENGE, UM, I CHALLENGE YOU ALL, BUT I ALSO CHALLENGE BURKE INTEREST. CAMERON, I THINK YOU'RE AROUND MY AGE AND YOU'RE RAISING KIDS HERE TOO. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THAT'S YOUR TIME TO HAVE YOUR LEGACY, BE THAT A PRESERVATION EVERYONE. SO YOUR KIDS WILL CALL YOU AND SAY, I WANNA COME BACK HOME. EVERYONE GETS TWO MINUTES AND I NEED YOU TO CONCLUDE. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION. MY NAME IS BRUCE BLEAKLEY AND I LIVE AT 57 25 ORCHID LANE IN DALLAS NEAR, UH, NORTH DALLAS, NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF PRESTON ROAD AND ROYAL LANE. MY HOUSE IS LESS THAN 200 FEET STRAIGHT SOUTH OF THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IN THE PAST. THIS BUDDY, UH, THIS BODY HAS CONSIDERED THE IDEA OF CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT REZONING SUCH AS, UH, IN THE CASE OF THE WINNERS TOWER LAST FALL, THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, EVEN AFTER BEING SLIGHTLY SCALED DOWN, IS STILL GROSSLY OUT OF CHARACTER WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND AT ODDS WITH THE PROVISIONS OF FORWARD DALLAS 2.0. IT'S ALSO INCONSISTENT WITH PUBLIC STATEMENTS ABOUT NE NEIGHBORHOOD INTEGRITY MADE BY BOTH THE DEVELOPER HIMSELF AND, UH, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. OUR GROUP PRESERVED PRE PRESERVE. PRESTON HOLLOW IS IN FAVOR OF REASONABLE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS VALUABLE TRACT OF LAND THAT SHOULD BE GENERATING MUCH NEEDED TAX REVENUE FOR THE CITY. WE'RE SIMPLY ASKING THAT ANY DEVELOPMENT BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE EXISTING ZONING CRITERIA. I URGE YOU TO REMEMBER THAT YOU SAW A STACK OF PETITIONS REPRESENTING 4,500. I'LL SAY THAT NUMBER AGAIN. 4,500 PLUS NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS WHO HAVE SIGNED PETITIONS IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION. NEXT SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION. MY NAME IS HEEL, COLORADO 1 5 0 9 MAIN STREET. I LIVE IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS. I LIVE IN THE SKYSCRAPER. I'M VERY PROUD OF IT. AND IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE, I WOULD BE HERE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF THE CASE, BUT I'M HERE SPEAKING AGAINST IT BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CHARACTER AGAIN, BUT IN A DIFFERENT CONTEXT. NOT SO MUCH CONCERN WITH AESTHETICS, BUT HEIGHT IS A PROXY FOR COST AND COST IS A DIRECT CORRELATION WITH RISK. AND THERE'S AN ARTICLE I WROTE THAT'S FLOATING AROUND ACTUALLY TWO ARTICLES. I ONLY HAVE TWO MINUTES, SO I'LL GIVE JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF WHAT I MEAN BY CHARACTER OUTSIDE OF AESTHETICS. LAST YEAR I SAT, I STOOD BEFORE THIS COMMISSION TALKING ABOUT WHY PARKING REFORM WAS IMPORTANT AND IN A FEW MONTHS I'LL BE HERE AGAIN. TALKING ABOUT WHY MINIMUM LOT SIZES NEED TO GET SMALLER AND WE NEED MORE MIDDLE, MISSING, MIDDLE HOUSING. ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN ABOUT REDUCING THE COST OF HOUSING, BUT THIS IS NOT A HOUSING PROJECT. THIS IS A HOTEL AND OFFICE PROJECT WITH A GARNISH OF HOUSING AND WITH AT $800 MILLION, WE HAVE SPENT SO MUCH TIME TRYING TO REDUCE THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT. IMAGINE YOU'RE A RESTAURANT AND YOU'RE TRYING TO FIND A COMMERCIAL SPACE TO LEASE. IMAGINE HOW MUCH BIGGER YOUR LEASE WOULD BE COMPARED TO A $10 MILLION BUILDING VERSUS AN $800 MILLION BUILDING. AND IN AN $800 MILLION LEASE, YOU ARE NOT THE MOM AND POP DINER THAT THE AVERAGE AMERICAN GOES TO THREE OR FOUR TIMES A WEEK. YOUR RESTAURANTS ARE NOT MADE EQUAL. AND THE THE TYPE OF PEOPLE AND TOURISTS AND VISITORS ARE NOT THE NEIGHBORS SURROUNDING THEM THAT WOULD WALK TO IT. THEY'RE THE BUSINESS LUNCHEONS AND THE [04:45:01] PEOPLE COMING TO THE HOTEL THAT WILL COME HERE MAYBE ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR, IF AT ALL. SO WE NEED TO APPLY WHAT JANE JANE JACOB'S URBANISM BECAUSE THIS KIND OF SITUATION IS WHAT SHE CALLS CATACLYSMIC MONEY. THIS IS MONEY THAT RADICALLY CHANGES THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOUR TIME. THANK YOU MORE THAN IT'S READY TO BE. SO THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION. HELLO, MY NAME IS JOANNE PARHAM AND I HAVE LIVED AT 6 1 2 6 LAKEHURST SINCE 1980. BEFORE THAT, MY FAMILY LIVED ON ABERDEEN FOR SIX YEARS. THAT'S 52 YEARS IN PRESTON HOLLOW WE CHOSE PRESTON HOLLOW BECAUSE OF ITS SHADY STREETS, HOUSES WITH LOTS OF CHARACTER AND LARGE LOTS. OUR HOUSE IS THE OLDEST STANDING HOUSE IN PRESTON HOLLOW AND WAS BUILT IN 1922. THE CHARACTER AND INTEGRITY OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I HAVE LIVED FOR OVER 50 YEARS IS WORTH PROTECTING. THIS PROJECT WOULD FLOOD OUR ALREADY BUSY PARKING LOTS AND STREETS AND INCREASE THE DANGER FOR STUDENT DRIVERS. A HOTEL, CONDOS, OFFICE SPACE, RESTAURANTS. NONE OF THAT SERVES THE RESIDENTS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT SERVES THE DEVELOPERS BOTTOM LINE. THE ARGUMENT BEING MADE FOR THIS PROJECT, IT WILL GENERATE MONEY, TAX MONEY. THE CITY DOES NOT NEED TO SACRIFICE A HISTORIC ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD TO FUND ITS BUDGET. WE ALREADY PAY A HUGE AMOUNT OF TAXES. MORE THAN FIVE 4,500 RESIDENTS HAVE SIGNED THE PETITIONS AGAINST THE HEIGHT. THE WORD IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT THIS DEAL IS ALREADY MADE, IT'S DONE. AND THAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT PROCESS IS JUST FOR SHOW TODAY THAT OUR VOICES WILL NOT CHANGE THE OUTCOME. I HOPE THIS COMMISSION PROVES THAT WRONG GAY WILLIS IS NOT LISTENING OR REPRESENTING HER CONSTITUENTS PRE PRESERVE. PRESTON HOLLOW IS NOW RAISING THE POSSIBILITY OF RECALLING HER. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. YOU THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE MA'AM, THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. OKAY, NEXT SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M MARGARET CHARE. I LIVE AT 57, UH, 15 ORCHID LANE, ABOUT 300 FEET FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. LELAND BURKE HAS SAID BY WRIGHT, HE COULD BUILD 800 PLUS MULTI-FAMILY UNITS. A DEVELOPMENT OF THAT MANY UNITS COULD CERTAINLY PROVIDE MUCH NEEDED HOUSING. WE'VE ASKED IF WE COULD SEE WHAT THAT PLAN COULD LOOK LIKE, BUT THAT HASN'T HAPPENED. WHY NOT? MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE THE REALITY OF 800 PLUS APARTMENTS EACH ABOUT THE SIZE OF 730 SQUARE FEET ON THIS VALUABLE PIECE OF PROPERTY JUST WON'T GIVE HIM A PROPER RETURN ON HIS INVESTMENT. THE THREAT OF 800 PLUS APARTMENTS APPEARS TO BE A DEVELOPER SCARE TACTIC, BUT WE ARE NOT SCARED. WE WOULD WELCOME 800 NEIGHBORS WHO CHOOSE TO LIVE HERE AT 54 FEET. WE COULD PROBABLY GET TO KNOW THEM AS WE HAVE OFTEN STATED, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE DEVELOPER'S USES, BUT JUST NOT AT THE HEIGHT HE WANTS. SO WE ASK WHY CAN'T THE DEVELOPER FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES OF FORWARD DALLAS 2.0 AND CREATE A PROJECT THAT WILL GAIN THE SUPPORT OF THE MAJORITY OF AREA RESIDENTS? WE HAVE TOLD HIM AND COUNCIL MEMBER GAY WILLIS, WE ARE TRYING TO SUPPORT THIS DEVELOPMENT. WHY CAN'T THIS BE A WIN WIN WIN SITUATION FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE DEVELOPER AND THE CITY? OH, AND ONE LAST THING. I THINK RETIREES AND EMPTY NESTERS CAN LIVE VERY COMFORTABLY IN HOUSES THAT ARE 54 IN HEIGHT. WE ASK YOU TO DENY APPROVAL OF THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST AND THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. NEXT SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION. MY NAME IS PAM HALE AND I LIVE IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF PRESTON AND ROYAL. I FIRST WANT TO EXPRESS MY GRATITUDE [04:50:01] FOR EACH OF YOUR EARLIER DIRECT QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. YOU CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM THE COMMUNITY IS HAVING WITH IT. A FEW WEEKS AGO, A VACANT LOT WAS BEING PREPARED TO START CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW HOME. DURING THOSE HOURS, THE NOISE LEVEL AND GROUND VIBRATIONS FROM THE HEAVY MACHINERY WAS JARRING. TO SCALE THAT TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AT PRESTON AND ROYAL, THE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY WILL LEAVE A LASTING, DEVASTATING EFFECT. LEGACY IS THE LASTING IMPACT, VALUES OR CONSEQUENCES OF AN EVENT, PERSON OR ERROR. MANY OF US IN THIS ROOM HAVE HEARD OF THE DEVELOPER, MR. TRAMMELL CROW. A RECENT LINKEDIN POST CELEBRATED THE BIRTHDAY OF A MAN WHO HAS NOW BEEN GONE FOR 17 YEARS. THESE ARE SOME OF THE COMMENTS REGARDING THE LEGACY THAT HE LEFT AND THE IMPACT HE HAD. WHAT A LEGEND, GREAT LEADER ICON. MR. CROW'S LEGACY WAS EARNED BY THE INTEGRITY HE EXEMPLIFIED AND THE IMPACT HE HAD ON THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS AND THE COMMUNITIES IN WHICH THEY RESIDE. TO ADDRESS A 180 PERSPECTIVE, THESE ARE THE NEGATIVE LEGACY POINTS. THE HARMFUL RIPPLE EFFECTS OF DECISIONS, ACTIONS THAT RUIN THE ENVIRONMENT OF A COMMUNITY. CONSISTENT DISREGARD. THE OPULENCE OF THIS PRESTON ROYAL PROJECT IS FIRST CLASS OSTENTATIOUSNESS. IT IS EXCESSIVELY SHOWY, FLASHY, AND EXTRAVAGANT IN A DELIBERATE ATTEMPT TO IMPRESS OTHERS AND FLAUNT WEALTH, STATUS AND POWER. IT IMPLIES A LACK OF SUBTLETY, RESTRAINT AND GOOD TASTE WITH THE HIGH DISAPPROVAL RATE COMING FROM THE DALLAS COMMUNITY, MR. BURKE, GREENWAY INVESTMENTS AND EACH OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS APPROVING THE REZONING WILL HAVE THIS LASTING NEGATIVE SEAT LEGACY EFFECT ATTACHED TO THEIR NAME. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR RUBIN AND OTHER COMMISSIONER MEMBERS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING UP THIS MATTER. MY NAME IS MATT BACH. I LIVE AT 1 5 7 4 6 COVE CIRCLE 7 5 2 4 8. I LIKE 4,500. OTHERS DO NOT SUPPORT THE PRESTON ROYAL DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU TODAY. THE CURRENT PROPOSAL, AS YOU KNOW, INCLUDES BUILDING HEIGHTS UP TO 240, ALMOST FIVE TIMES. THE ALLOWABLE LIMIT. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE EXISTING COMMUNITY IGNORES MOST IMPORTANTLY IGNORES THE WISHES OF THE VAST MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN PRESTON HOLLOW. I PERSONALLY HAVE SEEN THIS PATTERN BEFORE WITH PEPPER SQUARE REZONING AND NOW IT'S PLAYING OUT AGAIN AT PRESTON ROYAL, A DEVELOPER WHO HAS NOT HAD MEANINGFUL NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO APPEARS TO HAVE SIGNALED SUPPORT FOR THIS PROPOSAL FOR THE COMMUNITY INPUT WAS EVER SOUGHT. AND CITY STAFF WHO TOO OFTEN TREAT RESIDENT OBJECTIONS AS OBSTACLES RATHER THAN INFORMATION WORTH WEIGHING, RESIDENTS AREN'T OBJECTING TO CHANGE OR THIS DEVELOPMENT. THEY'RE OBJECTING TO THE DECISIONS BEING FORCED ON THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT THEIR INPUT. AND OF COURSE, REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS BUILDING HEIGHT. HAD THE DEVELOPER WORKED WITH A NEIGHBORHOOD AND COME UP WITH AN ACCEPTABLE BUILDING HEIGHT, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE. THIS WOULD'VE BEEN ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WE WOULD'VE BEEN MOVING ON WITH OTHER THINGS. BUT HERE WE ARE BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS SIMPLY WANT A DEVELOPMENT THAT FITS WITH THE SCALE OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. I RESPECTFULLY URGE YOU TO DENY THE CURRENT ZONING PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU AND HOPEFULLY IT'S BROUGHT BACK IN A DIFFERENT FORM THAT IS ACCEPTABLE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. NEXT SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSION. MY NAME IS VICTOR VESCO. I LIVE AT 6 7 1 5 ORCHID. I'VE LIVED IN PRESTON HOLLOW MY ENTIRE LIFE. WENT TO ST. MICHAEL'S HIGH SCHOOL, WALNUT HILL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND ST. MARK'S HIGH SCHOOL. I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UH, AT THE RISK OF REPETITION, THE ISSUE IS THE HEIGHT AT A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. PRESTON HOLLOW VILLAGE AT WALNUT HILL IN CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 160 FEET ON A 42 ACRE DEVELOPMENT. THIS PROPOSAL IS FOR 240 FEET ON SEVEN ACRES, OVER $100 MILLION OF EXPENDITURE PER ACRE. IT IS SIMPLY EXCESSIVE. IT'S NOT ABOUT HOUSING. THE INCREMENT IN HEIGHT THAT THE DEVELOPER DESIRES IS FOR 150 HOTEL ROOMS AND 50 MULTIMILLION DOLLAR CONDOMINIUMS. THAT'S WHAT GENERATES THE FINANCIAL RETURN FOR HIM AND [04:55:01] HIS INVESTORS. HE COULD MAKE IT LOWER WHILE STILL PROVIDING HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS. THE ISSUE IS THE HEIGHT. SEND IT BACK TO THE DEVELOPERS TO, AS MANY OF US HAVE SAID HERE TODAY, A PROPOSAL THAT IS AGREEABLE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT FITS WITH ITS CHARACTER AND IS NOT SIMPLY EXCESSIVE TO GENERATE THE RETURNS THAT HE DESIRES. PLEASE OPPOSE THIS REZONING REQUEST. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. MY NAME IS CATHERINE SEALE AND I'M A DISTRICT, UM, 13 RESIDENT. I'M SPEAKING TODAY IN OPPOSITION OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, SPECIFICALLY REGARDING THE CRITICAL DEFICIENCIES IN THE APPLICANT'S TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY. THIS INTERSECTION ALREADY EXPERIENCES SEVERE OPERATIONAL DEGRADATION OPERATING AT CAPACITY DURING PEAK HOURS. THE EXISTING CONGESTION SEVERELY LIMITS ACCESS TO LOCAL RETAIL AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. THE SUBMITTED TRAFFIC STUDY USES AN IMPROPER BASELINE COMPARISON, AS YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD MANY OTHER SPEAKERS ADDRESS. IT USES THEORETICAL ENTITLED ZONING CAPACITY RATHER THAN EXISTING CONDITIONS. WE NEED TO SEE A SIDE-BY-SIDE COMPARISON USING REAL WORLD TRAFFIC CONDITIONS. FURTHERMORE, THE LACK OF A UNIFORM LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARD ALSO CREATES A FALSE ARGUMENT. THE CITY MUST ENFORCE A STRICT UNIFORM LOS OF C, A MINIMUM OF D UM, DURING PEAK HOURS AS CURRENTLY PRESENTED. THIS DEVELOPMENT IMPOSES AN UNMITIGATED DISPROPORTIONATE BURDEN ON THE PUBLIC TO ENDURE THE INCONVENIENCE THAT LARGE TRAFFIC DENSITIES WHICH FLOW IN AND OUT OF ONE POINT OF INGRESS AND EGRESS WITHIN THIS BUSY INTERSECTION. WE IMPLORE A TO DENY THIS APPLICATION AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS AND TO REEXAMINE A, UH, UH, THE TRAFFIC, UH, FOR LIFE SAFETY ISSUES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF WHEN WE MIGHT NEED TO TAKE A BREAK. CAN I GET A SHOW OF HANDS OF ADDITIONAL PEOPLE IN OPPOSITION WHO INTEND TO SPEAK BUT HAVEN'T YET? OKAY. UH, WHY DON'T WE TAKE FIVE MINUTES AND THEN COME BACK. ALL RIGHT. IF EVERYONE CAN TAKE THEIR SEATS, YOU'LL GET BACK ON TO CASE NUMBER 14. OKAY. ALRIGHT. IF EVERYONE COULD, UH, BRING THEIR CONVERSATIONS TO CONCLUSION. WE DO WANT TO GET THIS, UH, GET THIS MOVING. SO IT IS 4:30 PM AND WE ARE GOING BACK ON THE RECORD AT THE MEETING OF THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION. AND IF ALL THE REMAINING SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION COULD COME DOWN TO THE FIRST COUPLE ROWS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT SO WE CAN MOVE THROUGH Y'ALL. UM, EXPEDITIOUSLY. NEXT SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION. GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK. , YOU HAD A CHANCE TO SNEAK OUT, UH, BUT, UH, WE APPRECIATE YOU, UH, COUNCIL, UH, PLANNING, COUNCIL COMMISSIONERS FOR BEING HERE VERY MUCH. I, UH, UH, WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AND, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND THE SHOPPING CENTERS AND DEVELOPMENT. UH, I, I WENT TO THE, UH, OPENING OF WYNWOOD VILLAGE AND, UH, I WENT TO THE OPENING OF LANCASTER KE SHOPPING CENTER IN WEST CLIFF MALL. I'VE BEEN IN DALLAS SINCE 1942 AND, UH, QUITE FAMILIAR WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTERS COM. UH, COMMISSIONERS, YOU'LL FIND IN YOUR, UH, EMAILS, UH, THAT I SENT YOU A, A, A RENDERING OF EVERY, UH, DISTRICT, UM, A CR ZONING IN EVERY DISTRICT OF YOURS. AND YOU'LL SEE RENDERINGS OF THOSE SHOPPING CENTERS. NONE OF THEM ARE OVER 54 FEET. EVERY SINGLE DISTRICT CONTAINS A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL ZONING, BUT NONE OF THEM EXCEED 54 FEET THIS MORNING. PROBABLY ON YOUR RUSH TO GET HERE. YOU WENT TO IN ONE OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTERS ALMOST, IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO, TO GO THERE AND NOT SAY HELLO TO SOMEBODY YOU RECOGNIZE, EVEN TO SAY, GET A CHANCE [05:00:01] TO A FAMILY MEMBERS. ASK ABOUT THE FAMILY MEMBER HEALTH OR HEALTH OR THEIR WELLBEING. IT'S, THAT'S THE STORE, THE STORE THAT WHERE YOU LIVE AND I LIVE AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CONVENIENCE STORE SHOP, COFFEE SHOP, THE CAFE, THE GROCERY STORE. ZR ZONING WAS NEVER INTENDED TO SUPPORT HIGH-RISE DEVELOPMENTS IF APPROVED THIS, THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. WILL CREATE A DANGEROUS PRESIDENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, NEXT SPEAKER, OPPOSITION. MY NAME IS LORI SPROUSE, 1 11 22 LONG HAVEN AND MY FAMILY HAS LIVED IN PRESTON ROYAL NEIGHBORHOOD FOR MORE THAN 26 YEARS. FOR OVER 20 OF THOSE YEARS, WE LOOKED FROM OUR BACKYARD AT TREES AND THEN THE 1950S RANCH STYLE HOME BEHIND US WAS REPLACED BY A TWO AND A HALF STORY HOME AND IT PROFOUNDLY CHANGED THE PRIVACY AND FEELING OF OUR YARD. IT'S NOT A SOB STORY, BUT IT, INSTEAD OF TREES, WE SUDDENLY WERE LOOKING AT A LARGE HOUSE DOWN INTO OUR SPACE AND IT WAS DEPRESSING. AGAIN, NOT A SOB STORY, BUT THAT WAS ONLY TWO AND A HALF STORIES. CAN YOU IMAGINE LOOKING UP FROM YOUR OWN BACKYARD AT MULTIPLE BUILDINGS, BUILDINGS, NEARLY 20 STORIES TALL. CAN YOU IMAGINE LIVING IN YOUR HOME FOR DECADES, TRUSTING A 54 FOOT ZONING LIMIT, AND THEN BEING TOLD THAT THE TOWERS NEARLY FIVE TIMES THAT HEIGHT MAY SUDDENLY RISE NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE? HOW CAN THAT POSSIBLY BE FAIR TO THE HOMEOWNERS WHO BUILT THEIR LIVES AND INVESTED THEIR SAVINGS HERE? MORE THAN 90% OF THE NEIGHBORS TO THIS PROJECT HAVE RESOUNDINGLY OPPOSED THIS PROD PROPOSAL. HOW CAN ONE DEVELOPER'S VISION OUTWEIGH THE CLEARLY EXPRESSED WISHES OF VIRTUALLY AN ENTIRE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY? WE WELCOME REDEVELOPMENT. I WOULD FAR RATHER ACCEPT THE 800 PLUS UNIT FIVE STORY ALTERNATIVE ALLOWED UNDER SENATE BILL EIGHT 40. HOWEVER MUCH I DISLIKE IT THAN ALLOW THE CITY TO SHATTER THE 54, THE ZONING LIMIT AND CREATE A PRECEDENT INVITING TOWERS ON THE CORNERS ALL ALONG PRESTON ROAD. BECAUSE ONCE YOU DO THIS HERE, WHERE DOES IT STOP? THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHER DALLAS SITES WHERE THE TOWERS FIT, INCLUDING JUST A MILE UP THE ROAD. THEY DO NOT BELONG IN THE MIDDLE OF A LOW RISE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. YOUR RESPONSIBILITY IS NOT TO DELIVER ONE DEVELOPER'S LEGACY PROJECT AT ANY COST. YOUR JOB IS TO PROJECT PROTECT. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ESTABLISH NEIGHBORHOODS. THANK YOU MA'AM. AND LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE VOTE NOW. NEXT SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION. MY NAME IS MARGARET D FRANCESCO AND LI LIVE ON ORCHID LANE ADJACENT TO ST. MARK'S SCHOOL. THE 2019 TORNADO DESTROYED OUR HOME. THREE DAYS LATER, OUR INSURANCE COMPANY DECLARED IT A TOTAL LOSS AND WE FACED A DIFFICULT DECISION, SELL OUR PROPERTY OR REBUILD. WE CHOSE TO REBUILD BECAUSE WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IN 2001, THEN DALLAS CITY COUNCIL MEMBER MITCHELL RINKY OPPOSED LIGHTING FOR URSULINE ACADEMY SOCCER FIELD. 12 YEARS LATER IN 2013, CITY COUNCIL CANDIDATE LELAND BURKE JOINED THAT OPPOSITION. THE ZONING BATTLE SPANNED MORE THAN A DECADE WITH CONCERNS FOCUSED ON LIGHT POLLUTION, TRAFFIC, AND NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY. NOW, MITCHELL BROKOWSKI AND LELAND BURKE ARE MAJOR INVESTORS IN A PROPOSAL THAT INCLUDES THREE HIGH-RISE TOWERS REACHING 240 FEET MORE THAN FOUR TIMES THE HEIGHT CURRENTLY ALLOWED. HAD WE KNOWN IN 2019 THAT THREE HIGH-RISES COULD SOMEDAY BE BUILT ON THE SEVEN ACRES, JUST 250 FEET FROM OUR HOME. WE WOULD'VE MADE A DIFFERENT DECISION AFTER THE TORNADO LIVING ACROSS FROM A SCHOOL ST. MARK'S. I'VE ACCEPTED THE DAILY TRAFFIC THAT COMES WITH IT, INCLUDING DRIVERS USING ORCHID LANE TO AVOID CONGESTION AT PRESTON AND ROYAL. BUT THIS PROJECT WOULD INTENSIFY CONGESTION AT AN INTERSECTION THAT IS ALREADY OVERBURDENED. I SUPPORT REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY. I SUPPORT EXPANDING DALLAS'S TAX BASE, BUT I ALSO SUPPORT REASONABLE DEVELOPMENT THAT RESPECTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD SURROUNDING IT. MY REQUEST IS SIMPLE. APPLY THE SAME STANDARD OF NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY HERE THAT DALLAS APPLIED IN THE URSULINE CASE. IT CONCERNS IF CONCERNS ABOUT LIGHT POLLUTION, TRAFFIC AND NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACTS JUSTIFIED PROTECTING ONE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN THEY SHOULD JUSTIFY PROTECTING YOUR TIME. THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TODAY. PLEASE APPLY THE SAME STANDARD TODAY. THAT'S YOUR TIME THAT DALLAS APPLIED [05:05:01] THEN VOTE NOW. NEXT SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, THE LETTER IS ON YOUR SCREEN LADIES AND GENTLEMEN THAT I'M ABOUT TO READ. THIS IS A LETTER FROM THE ESTATE OF HAL WINFRED PAGET JR. THE ESTATE OF DONALD F PAGET. THEY ARE THE LARGEST QUADRANT LAND OWNERS IN THAT VICINITY OF PRESTON AND ROYAL DEAR CITY OF DALLAS PLANNING COMMISSIONERS. AS THE OWNERS OF THE LAND DIRECTLY ACROSS PRESTON ROAD FROM THE PROPOSED PROJECT, WE ARE AGAINST THE REZONING REQUEST. THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE WOULD ALLOW A MASSIVE HIGH-RISE DEVELOPMENT AT THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT OF PRESTON ROAD AND ROYAL LANE. IT WOULD HAVE SIGNIFICANT NEGATIVE ECONOMIC AND PHYSICAL IMPACTS ON THE RETAIL BUSINESSES LOCATED ON OUR LAND, WHICH IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT OF THE INTERSECTION. BY WAY OF REFERENCE, MY FAMILY HAS OWNED THIS PROPERTY FOR OVER 70 YEARS. THE LAND IS CURRENTLY LEASED TO REGENCY CENTERS, A REAL ESTATE MANAGEMENT FIRM WHO OPERATES THE PRESTON OAKS SHOPPING CENTER ANCHORED BY CENTRAL MARKET. THE NEIGHBORHOOD HIRED ZO GROUP TO REVIEW THE DEVELOPER'S TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. ZO HAS ESTIMATED THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL GENERATE A PARKING DEFICIT OF 612 PARKING SPACES DURING WEEKDAYS AND A PARKING DEFICIT OF 421 PARKING SPACES DURING THE WEEKENDS. WHERE WILL THESE VEHICLES PARK? THE LIKELY ANSWER IS IN THE ADJACENT RETAIL CENTERS AND THE AREAS RESIDENTIAL STREETS. WHILE WE SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY AT A SCALE AND HEIGHT THAT BENEFITS THE INTERSECTION AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE PRESTON OAK SHOPPING CENTER IS ONE OF THE BUSIEST SHOPPING CENTERS IN NORTH DALLAS, AND THE TRAFFIC AND PARKING ARE ALREADY CHALLENGING THE SHOPPING CENTERS AT THE NORTHEAST THANK NORTHWEST COUNT CORNERS. THANK YOU SINCERELY, ALAN PAGET. NEXT SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION. THANK YOU CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. I'M LAURA GREEN, 1 0 7 5 0 PARK VILLAGE PLACE. I'M OPPOSED TO A ZONING CHANGE AT PRESTON ROYAL FOR ALL OF THE REASONS MENTIONED BEFORE AND PERSONALLY, I WOULD NO LONGER HAVE MORNING SUN. I AM GRAVELY CONCERNED ABOUT THE DENSITY AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND HEALTH CONSEQUENCES OF SUCH DENSITY, INCLUDING AIR POLLUTION DURING CONSTRUCTION, LIGHT POLLUTION ONCE BUILT, INCREASED TRAFFIC AND FLYING DEBRIS DURING WINDSTORMS, THIS ZONING CHANGE WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO LIFE SAFETY. THE DEVELOPMENT IS FAR TOO DENSE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE VOLUME OF ACTIVITY AND COMMUTERS REQUIRED TO CONSTRUCT AND SUSTAIN SUCH A DENSITY OF BUILDINGS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE FOR A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS NOT BUILT FOR COMMUTERS. THIS THREAT OF A ZONING CHANGE CREATES TURMOIL AND INSTABILITY, WHICH BEGINS TO DRIVE PEOPLE AWAY. IF DENSITY LIKE THIS IS APPROVED FOR PRESTON ROYAL, THEN EVERY OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD IN DALLAS WILL BE UNDER THREAT. SPREADING THAT VOLATILITY AND UPHEAVAL ACROSS DALLAS NEIGHBORHOODS. DRIVING PEOPLE AWAY FROM DALLAS, PRESTON ROYAL IS THRIVING WITH MANY LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT SERVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ON THE OTHER HAND, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE BUILT SOLELY TO SERVE THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. THIS IS PLAINLY EVIDENT IN THE MASSIVE OPPOSITION. WHAT MAKES A NEIGHBORHOOD DESIRABLE? WHAT MAKES A PLACE SOMEWHERE YOU WANT TO LIVE? MOST PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN PLACES THAT ARE RELIABLE, STABLE, QUIET STREETS, PLENTY OF TREES, CLEAR SKIES, NEIGHBORHOOD CHARM, ENVIRONMENTAL SAFETY, GOOD SCHOOLS AND EASE OF GETTING TO THEIR LOCAL GROCERY STORE SHOPS AND RESTAURANTS. PEOPLE LIVE IN PRESTON HOLLOW BECAUSE IT IS NOT HIGH DENSITY, HIGH RISES ARE WRONG FOR THE SITE. PLEASE VOTE AGAINST ANY ZONING CHANGES AT PRESTON ROYAL. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION. HELLO, MY NAME IS WILLIAM REIHART. I LIVE AT 64 29 TULIP LANE. I, UH, MOVED IN AROUND THE YEAR 2000 AND I LOVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK I'VE TAKEN FOR GRANTED WALKING OUT THE FRONT DOOR AND SEEING, UH, A VERY PLEASANT SCENE. AND, UH, AS MY COLLEAGUE THAT LIVES AT 67 15 ORCHID LANE MENTIONED, THIS IS FOR ME, IT'S ALL ABOUT HEIGHT AND I'VE ONLY FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS IN THE LAST WEEK. GOT INTO THE, SOME OF THE DETAILS. IF YOU HAVE , IF YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 54 AND NOW YOU'RE GONNA MAKE INCREASE IT, INCREASE IT BY FIVE TIMES. I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT, I DON'T THINK IT FITS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND I'M GONNA BE SHORT [05:10:01] 'CAUSE I THINK WE WANNA GO HOME WHEN IT DONE. . NEXT SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION. THIS IS YES. YES. NANCY MOORE. 63 17 TULIP LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 3 0. I HAVE BROUGHT, UM, SOME EXHIBITS HERE. ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE THEM ON YOUR SCREENS? OKAY, SO MICHAEL PEPE IS HELPING ME AND I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. OH, THERE WE GO. OKAY. HOW, HOW? THIS RIGHT HERE. THE LEFT, LEFT AND RIGHT ON THE BACK. OH, THE ARROWS. OKAY. UM, SO I RESIDE ON TWO LAP LANE, WHICH IS ABOUT A BLOCK AWAY FROM THE, UH, AREA OF REQUEST. THESE PHOTOS I'M SHOWING YOU ARE THE ADJACENT PRE-EXISTING CONDOMINIUMS ON THE WEST SIDE. AND THERE WAS SOME TALK EARLIER ABOUT THE WEST SIDE OF THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT THAT, UM, THE, SOME I, IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE AREA, YOU WOULD'VE BEEN UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE ONLY THING ON THE WEST SIDE IS A FIRE STATION AND THAT'S NOT TRUE. ALL OF THESE 200 AND IS IT 215? ABOUT 215 UNITS OF BEAUTIFUL, VIABLE, WELL KEPT, UH, CONDOMINIUMS. A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE LIVE IN THEM. UM, THEY START AT ABOUT, I THINK $200,000 AND GO UP. THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL INSIDE. THEY WERE BUILT IN THE 1960S. FEW PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH 'EM. THERE'S THE FIRE STATION AND THE FIRE STATION IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE CONDOS AND DUPLEXES THAT FACE ROYAL LANE. IT'S A 5,800 ROYAL LANE CONDOS. UM, INSIDE YOU'VE GOT THESE WERE DESTROYED BY THE TORNADO. ALSO, THE OWNERS OF THIS PROPERTY DIDN'T BULLDOZE THE PROPERTY AND ASK FOR A ZONING CHANGE AND BUILD A HIGH RISE. THEY REBUILT THE CONDOS BECAUSE THEY'RE DESIRABLE, BECAUSE THEY WORK FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE THEY BELONG. THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO LIVE. AND YOU COULD BUILD, YOU CAN GET A PD HERE IS UNNECESSARY. YOU COULD BUILD TWICE THE HEIGHT OF THESE EXISTING CONDOS THAT PEOPLE LIVE IN. YOU CAN DOWNSIZE FROM YOUR BIG 5,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE. YOU CAN DOWNSIZE TO ONE OF THESE. YOU COULD BUILD THEM AT TWICE THE HEIGHT. YOU CAN PUT SOME MIXED USE IN THERE THANKS TO SB EIGHT 40. WE'RE ALL FOR IT. WHAT WOULD BE THE PROBLEM WITH DOING THAT? THERE'S THE HOUSES RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. THEY'RE WITHIN THE 200 FOOT ZONE. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. APPRECIATE Y'ALL. NEXT SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION. DO WE LEAVE THESE HERE? YES. IN THE TRAY IN. MY NAME'S ROXANNE MOBLEY AND I LIVE IN 1 0 7 2 1 VILLAGER IN THOSE CONDOS AND I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 28 YEARS. I'M AN RN FROM BAYLOR UNIVERSITY. I HAVE A DEGREE IN A PARALEGAL DEGREE FROM ATLANTA. UM, I ONLY HAVE THREE CONCERNS AND MINE ARE MEDICAL. I AM VERY CONCERNED, NUMBER ONE FOR THE FIRE STATION BECAUSE I WAS A SCHOOL NURSE THE LAST THREE YEARS OF MY JOB AND I LIVED THE FIRE STATION WAS FIVE MINUTES FROM MY SCHOOL. AND THANK GOD I HAD A FIRE STATION SO CLOSE THAT COULD GET OUT AND GET TO MY KIDS THAT WERE HAVING ASTHMA. I HAD GIVEN THEM EPINEPHRINE AND THEY NEEDED A SECOND EPINEPHRINE AND THEY NEED TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL. SO I'M, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE FIRE STATION BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET OUT. AND THEN NUMBER TWO IS, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. WELL OF COURSE THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT, BUT JUST, UH, THAT'S A VERY HIGH TRAFFIC AREA. PRESTON AND, UM, ROYAL AND GETTING ROYAL GOING EITHER WAY, EITHER GOING TO THE TOLL ROAD OR GOING, UM, YOU KNOW, WE EAST, MY THIRD CONCERN IS THE SCHOOLS. THE WINSTON SCHOOL IS FOR, UM, UH, SPECIAL NEEDS KIDS AND THE ST. MARK'S IS A HUGE SCHOOL AND I, LIKE I SAID, I LIVE BETWEEN THEM AND, AND IN EMERGENCY SITUATION, THE AMBULANCES CAN'T GET TO 'EM. AND BECAUSE OF THE BUILD AND THE DUST AND THE STUFF THAT'S GONNA BE DEVELOPED WITH ALL THAT DIRT AND STUFF, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH ASTHMA. THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, THEY HAVE A LOT OF KIDS IN, IN WHEELCHAIRS AND STUFF AND THEY JUST GONNA NEED HELP. AND I CAN'T SEE, I MEAN, IT'S, EVEN THE FOUR STORY BUILD'S GONNA BE HARD, BUT IT'S GONNA BE HARDER. IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A TOWER THERE, IT'S REALLY GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION. [05:15:02] GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME'S CHRIS COLE. I RESIDE AT 1 1 1 2, 2 LONG HAVEN. I'VE BEEN IN THE AREA FOR ONLY A QUARTER OF A CENTURY, RELATIVELY NEW COMPARED TO SOME OF THE OTHERS. UM, I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO DENY THIS REQUEST BASED ON FACTS OF THE CITY'S OWN STAFF REPORT. THE REPORT STATES THAT SUBURBAN COMMUNITY MIXED USE AREAS ARE INTENDED FOR LOWER SCALE DEVELOPMENT AND THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE PROVIDED IN APPROPRIATE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS. YET THE PROPOSAL THAT YOU WOULD ALLOW YOU TO BUILD BUILDINGS UP TO 240 FEET ARE NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS TRANSITION. THERE'S ALSO A LONG, LONG-TERM ECONOMIC RISK WHILE CONDOS, HOTELS, APARTMENTS, AND RESTAURANTS SOUND ATTRACTIVE, THOSE USES ARE NOT GUARANTEED. A FIVE STAR LUXURY HOTEL, FOR EXAMPLE, DEPENDS ON SUSTAINED CORPORATE AND ENTERTAINMENT DEMAND. THE AREA IS PRIMARILY A RESIDENTIAL WITH LIMITED AND DEMAND DEMAND DRIVERS MAKING THAT CONCEPT UNCERTAIN. IF THOSE ASSUMPTIONS PROVE WRONG, THE HEIGHT DENSITY WILL REMAIN LONG AFTER THE MARKET HAS CHANGED. LOCKING IN IMPACTS THAT CAN EASILY BE REVERSED. ALSO NOTE THAT LOCAL HOMEOWNERS HAVE INVESTED HEAVILY IN REBUILDING AND RENOVATING THEIR HOMES, SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASING THE CITY'S TAX BASE, IN PART BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THE ZONING WAS STABLE. IF A 54 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT CAN SUDDENLY BECOME 240 FEET THROUGH FUTURE, AND CURRENT OWNERS THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF DALLAS MAY HESITATE TO MAKE SIMILAR LONG-TERM INVESTMENTS, PUTTING THEIR CONTINUED TAX BASED GROWTH AT RISK. DENYING THIS REQUEST DOES NOT MEAN DENYING REDEVELOPMENT. THE PROPERTY CAN AND SHOULD BE REDEVELOPED AT A SCALE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. THE STAFF REPORTS SUPPORTS REDEVELOPMENT, BUT ITS OWN FACTS DO NOT SUPPORT SPECULATIVE EXPERIMENTAL DEVELOPMENT BY ADDING HIGH RISES ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER. THAT'S YOUR TIME, THANK YOU. OF PRESTON AND ROYAL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION. OKAY, WE'LL GO TO OUR ONLINE SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION. PAM HALE? NO, I'VE ALREADY SPOKE. OH, YOU'VE ALREADY, OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. BRUCE BLEAKLY, DID YOU ALREADY SPEAK? OKAY, GREAT. MARGARET CHABRA DUR. OKAY, GOOD DEAL. MARK DURAN, THAT NAME SOUNDS FAMILIAR IS MARK DURAN ONLINE. OKAY. HE'S SPOKE IN PERSON. CYNTHIA GRUB. CORRECT. GREAT. MARY JANE COX? NOT SPEAKING. YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING. OKAY. RICHARD COX. OH, THAT WAS YOU. GREAT. JOHN TYNAN. OKAY, MR. TYNAN. JOHN TYNAN. OH, GREAT. HE, YES. YEAH. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, THANK YOU. UM, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, UH, QUICKLY, UH, UH, I KNOW THAT YOU ALL, UH, TAKE, UH, ZONING CHANGES, UH, VERY SERIOUSLY. AND THAT, UH, A SINGLE APPLICANT, UH, AFFECTS THOUSANDS OF, UH, OF YOUR CITIZENS. SO, UH, APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, UH, THOROUGH REVIEW. UH, I WANTED TO GO THROUGH, UH, IF I COULD SHARE MY SCREEN. UH, CAN YOU SEE THAT? YES. CAN YOU SEE MY SCREEN? YES. YES, SIR. OH, EXCELLENT. EXCELLENT. SORRY. OKAY, SO, UH, JUST GO THROUGH THE, UH, THE, THE ZONING CHECKLIST. SO THE FIRST QUESTION IS, IS THIS CURRENTLY A STABLE FUNCTIONING NEIGHBORHOOD? AND THE ANSWER IS YES. BY ALL METRICS. THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST STABLE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. UH, IN TERMS OF TAXES, VOTER PROPENSITY, UH, COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT. AND AS THEY SAY, YOU KNOW, DO NOT UPSET A, UH, A STABLE NEIGHBORHOOD. DOES THE CURRENT ZONING, UH, COMMUNITY RETAIL, UH, WORK? YES. AND, UH, IT'S WHAT MAKES PRESTON HOLLOW GREAT. AND IT'S OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STORE AND WE GO THERE EVERY DAY. AND SO, UM, UH, WOULD THE SET A NEGATIVE PRECEDENCE FOR ALL CRS IN PRESTON HOLLOW? UH, YES. AND, UH, PEOPLE ARE GONNA LINE UP IF THIS PROJECT, UH, GOES FORWARD. [05:20:01] UM, ESPECIALLY IF WE HEARD FROM STAFF THIS MORNING, IT SEEMS LIKE, UM, THE ATTITUDE WAS THAT, UH, UH, DALLAS FORWARD AND, UH, AND CR ZONING ARE, ARE, ARE JUST KIND OF GUIDELINES AND, UH, WE CAN'T COUNT ON, UH, THE, THE ZONING. SO PEOPLE ARE GONNA LINE UP. UH, UH, THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ALRIGHT. GOING DOWN THE LIST. MATT BOX SPOKE. NANCY MOORE SPOKE BAILEY BURKE, THEY SPOKE. OKAY, GREAT. DAN SSON SPOKE. OKAY, GREAT. LORI SPROUSE. THANK YOU. JAMES WORKS. MR. WORKS, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. YES. HI. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. UH, JAMES WORKS. I LIVE AT 11 0 11 JAMESTOWN SPEAKING AGAINST THE PROPOSAL TODAY. I, UM, I HOPE YOU'LL JOIN ME IN TAKING EXCEPTION TO THE STAFF REPORT'S CHARACTERIZATION OF THIS PROPOSAL AS BEING GENERALLY. SO WE NEED YOUR CAMERA TO BE ON. OH, THERE IT GOES. IT'S ON, IT'S, IT'S ON NOW. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO START OVER? NO, YOU CAN KEEP GOING. DO YOU LIKE ME TO START OVER OR KEEP GOING? KEEP GOING. OKAY. STAFF CHARACTERIZED THIS PROPOSAL AS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH MIXED GEN, UH, COMMUNITY MIXED USE, BUT I HOPE YOU'LL JOIN ME IN TAKING EXCEPTION TO THAT. IMAGINE FOR A MOMENT THAT YOU GO OUT TO BUY A NEW PAIR OF DRESS SHOES AND YOU SAY TO THE SALESPERSON, I NEED A SIZE SIX BLACK LEATHER LACE UP DRESS SHOE SALESPERSON GOES IN THE BACK AND COMES BACK AND SAYS, WELL, I DON'T HAVE A SIZE SIX, BUT I'VE GOT THE EXACT SAME THING THAT YOU WANT IN A SIZE 12, WHICH I THINK OF BEING GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU ASKED FOR. EVERYTHING ELSE IS WHAT YOU WANT, BUT IT'S A SIZE 12. IMAGINE HOW YOU WOULD REACT TO THAT KIND OF A LUDICROUS SUGGESTION FROM A SALESPERSON, BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. UM, I'M A DEVELOPER. I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH FUTURE USE PLANS LIKE FOR DALLAS 2.0, AND I THINK YOU'VE GOT A VERY GOOD GUIDELINE THERE, BUT ONLY IF YOU USE IT. COMMUNITY MIXED USE CALLS FOR MID-RISE DEVELOPMENT. AND IN FACT IN THE ENTIRE FOR DALLAS DOCUMENT, THE ONLY TIME THE PHRASE MID-RISE IS USED IS IN THE DEFINITION OF COMMUNITY MIXED USE. AND IT'S DEFINED BY YOUR PLAN AS BEING UNDER 10 STORIES. BY CONTRAST, THERE'S REGIONAL MIXED USE, WHICH IS THE ONLY TIME THE TERM HIGH RISE IS USED, WHICH IS DEFINED AS 10 STORIES OR MORE. THIS PROPOSAL HAS THREE HIGH RISES IN IT, TWO OF WHICH ARE MORE THAN TWICE THE SUGGESTED LIMIT FOR MID-RISE BUILDINGS. SO IT'S, IT'S LUDICROUS HERE TO IMAGINE THAT THIS PROPOSAL IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH COMMUNITY MIXED USE. THESE ARE SIZE 12 BUILDINGS, SIZE 12 SHOE BUILDINGS FOR OUR SIZE SIX FEET. IF YOU, IF YOU APPROVE THIS HIGH RISE DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S YOUR TIME. YOUR THANK YOU. GIVE A SENSE. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. MARY QUAIL. OKAY, GREAT. VICKI LUNA ONLINE? NO. OKAY. UH, DOUG HAZELBAKER HAS ALREADY SPOKEN. STACEY SMOTHERMAN ALREADY SPOKEN. UH, AMY ROSEMAN ALREADY SPOKEN, I BELIEVE. RE HAWKINS BROWN. OKAY, GREAT. RICHARD LATHAM SPOKEN. OH, SPOKEN GREAT. SUZANNE EEDS. HELLO ONLINE. CAN YOU HEAR ME? OH, UH, VIC SAIA. YEAH, IF YOU'RE READY TO, I NEED YOU TO TURN YOUR CAMERA ON. THERE YOU GO. IT'S WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. YEP. WE CAN SEE YOU NOW. CAN YOU SEE? OKAY. YES. SO MY NAME IS VIC SAIA. UM, I LIVE AT 66 11 BELLMEAD, UH, RIGHT NEAR THE, THE DEVELOPMENT. I'VE LIVED IN THE AREA FOR 16 YEARS. TAKE ALMOST ALL MY NEIGHBORS WHO ARE NOT FRIENDS OF THE DEVELOPER. I'M DEAD SET AGAINST ANY LIFTING OF OUR ZONING REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS PROJECT AND WANNA ADDRESS WHY I AM SO OPPOSED. THE FIRST IS QUALITATIVE AND TO CORRECT SOME OF THE SPIN THE FRIENDS OF DEVELOPERS MADE EARLIER. UM, BEFORE ALL OF THESE OPPONENTS SPOKE, THERE'S A REASON WE HAVE ZONING LIMITS SUCH AS THE HEIGHT LIMIT. NOWHERE IS THIS MORE NECESSARY IN THIS LOCATION. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE NOT BEEN HERE, IT'S IN THE HEART OF PRESTON HOLLOW, NOT ON THE EDGES. PRESTON HOLLOW IS LITERALLY THE ONLY REAL COMPETITION DALLAS HAS TO HIGHLAND PARK IN TERMS OF UPSCALE, UH, RESIDENCES AND MAKES UP A LARGE PORTION OF THE TAX BASE OF THE CITY. WHEN YOU ARE DECIDING, LIKE MY FAMILY DID BETWEEN HIGHLAND PARK AND PRESTON HOLLOW, IN BOTH CASES WE'RE LOOKING FOR A CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL ONE THAT IS DECIDEDLY NOT URBAN, BUT INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. AND FOR [05:25:01] THAT REASON WE CHOSE PRESTON HOLLOW LIKE A LOT OF FOLKS BECAUSE IT'S EVEN LESS URBAN THAN HIGHLAND PARK WITH LARGER LOTS AND MORE OF A SUBURBAN FEEL. THIS PROJECT COMPLETELY NE NEGATES THAT AMBIENCE. I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT HIGHLAND PARK WOULD NEVER APPROVE A LARGE BUILDING, NOT EVEN TO THINK ABOUT 18 FLOORS UNLESS IT WAS ON THE VERY PERIPHERY OF THEIR DISTRICT. THIS PROJECT OF APPROVED WOULD LIKELY BE FOLLOWED BY OTHERS. NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY, THERE WILL BE MORE. AND WITH THE NEW MAVERICK STADIUM THAT YOU GUYS APPROVED, THAT'S JUST NORTH OF US, AT LEAST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 6 35, IT'S GONNA CLEARLY NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE FEEL AND THE DRAW OF PRESTON HOLLOW. IT'S UNFAIRLY GONNA PUNCH FOR RESIDENTS WHILE IT'S BEING DEVELOPED AND IN THE FUTURE. AND OUR PROPERTY VALUES. THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHER PLACES IN DALLAS WHERE BUILDINGS OF THIS SIZE WOULD BE, WOULD ADD TO THE ENVIRONMENT NOT TO TRACK AND THEY SHOULD BUILD THERE. THE SECOND DIMENSION IS QUANTITATIVE. I'M AN INVESTOR FOR 25 YEARS, AN EXPERT IN FINANCIAL ANALYSIS AND I HONESTLY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOUR STAFF COULD HAVE RECOMMENDED THIS REQUEST. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. UH, THAT'S YOUR TWO MINUTES. WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT SPEAKER. LORRAINE KE. LORRAINE KEYED. UM, YES, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. OKAY. UH, FINE. THANK YOU. WE'VE HAD DIFFICULTY IN GETTING ON. ALRIGHT, MY TIME WILL START NOW. YES. MY NAME IS LORRAINE KE AND I HAVE LIVED ON MEADOW CREST DRIVE FOR ALMOST 43 YEARS. MY NEIGHBORHOOD EXPERIENCE AND, UH, UNDERSTANDING HAVE BEEN EMPIRICALLY ESTABLISHED. YOU'VE BEEN PRESENTED WITH THOUSANDS OF SIGNATURES FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR DECLARING A RESOUNDING NOTE TO ZONING PLAT CHANGE BEFORE YOU. THE NEIGHBORHOOD VOICE IS VERY CLEAR. WE NEVER ASK FOR THIS PROPOSED BUILD IN OUR BACKYARD AND WE MOST ASSUREDLY DON'T WANT IT. STATE LAW DOES DICTATE COMPLIANCE WITH THE 54 FOOT HIGH MIXED USE BUILD INSIDE OF OUR LOW DENSITY NEIGHBORHOOD. STATE LAW DOES NOT IMPOSE A MIXED USE BUILD ALMOST FOUR AND A HALF TIMES THAT OF THE 54 FOOT STATE MANDATE. DESCRIBE THE LIMITED WINDOW OF TIME AND VOICE OFFERED TO THE ACTUAL NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, NEGATIVELY AFFECTED BY THIS MATTER. THE ZONING COMMISSION SHOULD BE LISTENING TO THE VOICES OF THE THOUSANDS OF OPPOSED AND CERTAINLY NOT GIVE DEFERENCE TO THE VOICE OF ONE WHO IS MOTIVATED BY PROFIT. THIS DEVELOPER'S LIFE OR DAILY LIFE WILL NOT BE AFFECTED BY THE SOLU INCOMPATIBLE STRUCTURE HE LEAVES BEHIND IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'LL BE LEFT WITH LOWER PROPERTY VALUES, WHICH WILL ALSO LOWER THE CITY'S TAX BASE. IT ALSO JEOPARDIZES OUR ABILITY TO EVEN SELL OUR PROPERTIES. THERE IS A QUID PRO QUO RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN PROPERTY TAX PAYERS AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT. DALLAS CONTINUES TO JEOPARDIZE THIS RELATIONSHIP BY NOT OPERATING ON AN EQUAL FOOTING, RESPECT AND EXCHANGE. PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING IN THIS MATTER BECAUSE YOU AND THE CITY COUNCIL ARE ETHICALLY OBLIGATED NOT TO IGNORE THE VOICE OF THE MASSES IN DEFERENCE TO THE VOICE OF ONE. IT'S UNTENABLE. AND I DARE SAY POSSIBLY ILLEGAL FOLLOW THE STATE LAW, ENFORCE A 54 FOOT LIMITATION OF THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION ANYTHING OTHER THAN NO VOTE ON THIS. MONSTROSITY IN THE SKY AMOUNTS TO NOTHING LESS THAN TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION. TAKE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. A TOTAL PORTRAYAL OF THE PUBLIC TRUST. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION. OKAY. DO YOU BELIEVE SUZANNE S IS ONLINE? SUZANNE S SUZANNE EADS. ONE MORE CHANCE. OKAY. WE WILL MOVE ON. CATHERINE LEVITT. OKAY. MEGAN RATLIFF, I BELIEVE ALREADY SPOKE. GREG HAM ALREADY SPOKE. DYLAN INGER SPOKE CHRIS COLE. SPOKE MICHAEL RUBIN. NO RELATION. MICHAEL RUBIN. HELLO? HELLO? HELLO. YOU CAN HEAR ME? YES. ALRIGHT, LET YOU UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS MICHAEL RUBIN. I HAVE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THREE, THREE YEARS. I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. ONE, HOW CAN STUDIES PROVIDE BY A DEVELOPER BE CONSIDERED OBJECTIVE AND VALID? THAT IS THE DEVELOPER TRAFFIC STUDY. WHERE IS THE WATER STUDY? BECAUSE FROM MY EXPERIENCE, OUR WATER PRESSURE HAS DECREASED OVER THE YEARS. SO WHAT ARE TWO HIGH RISE RESIDE CENTRAL TOWERS GOING TO DO VOIR PRESSURE OF ITS NEIGHBORHOOD. ALSO OUR ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY EXPLORING THE IMPACT OF MULTIPLE TOWERS OF CONCRETE ENCASING 0.68 ACRES OF SUPPOSED GREEN SPACE. TWO HAS THE DEVELOPER PUT ASIDE A FUND TO HANDLE POTENTIAL [05:30:01] NEIGHBORHOOD HEALTH PROBLEMS ARISING OUT OF HIS DIGGING A THREE STORY HOLE IN THE GROUND. NOT TO MENTION THE IMPACT OF AN ONGOING PLATOON OF TRUCKS. UH, REMOVING BUILDING WASTE MATERIALS OVER MANY YEARS FROM A SITE HAS WORTH NOISE POLLUTION THAT GOES WITH THAT. BY THE WAY, THE SELF-SERVING DEVELOPER PROVIDED TRAFFIC STUDY WILL NOT EVEN TAKE EFFECT UNTIL THE MANY YEARS OF TORTUROUS TRAFFIC. THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BE SUBJECTED TO WHILE BUILDING HIS SO-CALLED LEGACY PROJECT THREE. THIS FOR 240 FOOT TOWER ENCOMPASSED ANY AND EVERYTHING THAT TYPICALLY GOES ON TOP OF SUCH HIGH RISE BUILDINGS. FOR EXAMPLE, AIR CONDITIONING UNITS, COMMUNICATION TOWERS, ET CETERA. OR IS IT ACTUALLY HIGHER THAN 240 FEET? OR, I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW HOW MANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WILL MAKE THEIR PERMANENT RESIDENCE AT OR LANE DUE SOUTH AND AT 5,800 WALL LANE WITH THEIR WINDOW OR BACK FLOOD VIEW BEING A 26 TO 28 STORY STRUCTURE. NOT TO MENTION THE LONG SHALL IMPACT ON THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE, IT'D BE ING TO SEE A SHOW OF HANDS FROM A COMMISSION. FIVE. DOES ANY COMMISSIONER TRULY BELIEVE THAT THE RESIDENTS OF PRESTON ROYAL AREA WOULD WANT TO WALK TO THE SUPERMARKETS OR EVEN RESTAURANTS IN THE ENTIRE PRESTON ROYAL SHOPPING CENTER AT ANY TIME OF THE YEAR, MUCH LESS THAN JUNE, JULY AND AUGUST 5TH WEEK? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION. THANK YOU. UM, FREDERICK, IS IT POSSIBLE TO SPEAK SUZANNE SI HAD TECHNIC CALL? YES. YES. GO AHEAD, MS. EADS. UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. I'M SUZANNE EADS. I LIVE AT 62 31 REX DRIVE A A FEW BLOCKS FROM PRESTON ROYAL. AND TO ME, THIS CASE IS ABOUT MORE THAN ONE PROJECT. IT'S ABOUT WHETHER DALLAS WILL HONOR THE ZONING RULES THAT PROPERTY OWNERS, BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS RELY ON WHEN MAKING INVESTMENTS IN LIFE DECISIONS. THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED COMMUNITY RETAIL AND WAS ESTABLISHED TO ALLOW COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY WHILE MAINTAINING COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. NOW, THE APPLICANT IS ASKING THE CITY TO REPLACE THOSE RULES WITH A CUSTOM PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WRITTEN SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS PROJECT. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER ONE PROPERTY OWNER SHOULD RECEIVE A SPECIAL ZONING CHANGE THAT DRAMATICALLY DEPART FROM THE BUILDING STANDARDS THAT HAVE GOVERNED THE SITE. IF COMMUNITY RETAIL ZONING CAN BE SET ASIDE WHENEVER A DEVELOPER PROPOSES A LARGER PROJECT, WHAT CONFIDENCE CAN RESIDENTS HAVE IN THE ZONING PROTECTIONS ANYWHERE IN DALLAS? WHERE WILL THAT EVER REMAIN MEANINGFUL? APPROVING THIS REQUEST WOULD SIGNAL THAT ESTABLISHED ZONING IS A STARTING POINT FOR NEGOTIATION RATHER THAN A COMMITMENT TO NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE CAN DEPEND ON. IT ALSO WOULD CREATE A PRECEDENCE IF THE ZONING PROCESS DALLAS HAS EMPHASIZED PREDICT, UM, PREDICTABILITY, NEIGHBORHOOD COMPAT COMPATIBILITY, AND PUBLIC TRUST UPHOLDING THESE EXISTING, UM, COMMUNITY RETAIL ZONING AT CRESTON ROYAL WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THESE PRINCIPLES OF PREDICTABILITY, NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY, AND PUBLIC TRUST. I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO DENY THIS ZONING CHANGE, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME LISTENING TO ME TODAY. THANK YOU FOR THIS CONSIDERATION. OKAY, THANK YOU MA'AM. FREDERICK SHIVER, SHIVER NOT ONLINE. VICTOR VO SPOKE KEITH MITCHELL. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, SIR. HI, UH, MY NAME IS KEITH MITCHELL. I LIVE AT 1 1 6 2 5 WANDER LANE, UH, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 3 0. WE HAVE THREE KIDS WHO ARE IN, UH, SCHOOLS IN THE AREA, AND WE TRAVEL THIS INTERSECTION MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY, EVERY DAY. UM, BIG PICTURE, ALL OF YOU HERE ON THIS COMMISSION ARE HERE BECAUSE YOU LOVE DALLAS. THAT IS WHY YOU'VE BEEN BEARING WITH US ALL DAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. AND WE KNOW THAT DALLAS IS A LARGE CITY MADE UP OF MANY SMALL COMMUNITIES. SO WHETHER, UH, IT'S UPTOWN OR DOWNTOWN OR LAKE HIGHLANDS OR THE OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THIS, IN THIS, UH, CITY, THEY GROW AND THEY DEVELOP, BUT THEY KEEP THEIR UNIQUE CHARACTER. SIR, YOU GET, AND I THINK WHEN, OKAY, GOOD. YOUR CAMERA CAME OFF FOR A SECOND, BUT YOU'RE GOOD TO KEEP GOING. OH, I'M SORRY. UM, UH, THE PASSION THAT I THINK YOU HEAR FROM ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PROJECT IS NOT THAT THEY HATE DEVELOPMENT, IS THAT THEY LOVE PRESTON HOLLOW AND THEY WANT TO SEE IT DEVELOPED RESPONSIBLY. WE HAVE HEARD EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON ABOUT HOW DALLAS OFTEN LEADS THE NATION AND SETS THE STANDARD IN MANY DIFFERENT AREAS. WHY WOULD WE SETTLE FOR LESS THAN THE BEST DESIGN FOR THIS SITE? THE DEVELOPER IS CAPABLE OF PUTTING TOGETHER A PROJECT THAT STAYS WITHIN CURRENT HEIGHT, UH, GUIDELINES MAKES PLENTY OF MONEY FOR THE DEVELOPER, PROTECTS THE INTEGRITY OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND CREATES MILLIONS IN ADDITIONAL TAX REVENUE FOR THE CITY. IT CAN [05:35:01] BE A WIN FOR EVERYBODY. PLEASE ENCOURAGE HIM TO DO THIS, REJECT THE ZONING CHANGES AND ASK THEM TO REDESIGN IT CORRECTLY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I BELIEVE THAT'S THE END OF OUR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION ONLINE, SO WE WILL GO BACK TO THE APPLICANT FOR A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY, COMMISSION AND CHAIR. UH, THIS IS A THOUGHTFUL PROJECT WITH SIGNIFICANT CHANGES REFLECTING STAFF AND COMMUNITY INPUT. WE'VE LOWERED THE HEIGHT 85 FEET. WE'VE MOVED IT TO THE CENTER OF THE SITE. WE'VE MATCHED THE BUYRIGHT HEIGHT TO THE SOUTH, EVEN WITH INTERVENING COMMERCIAL USES, THE CLOSEST SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOME IS OVER 200 FEET AWAY. THE TALLEST PARTS OF THE BUILDING ARE ONLY 10% OF THE SITE. EVEN THE 54 FOOT HEIGHT ZONE THAT WE HAVE, WE'VE REDUCED THAT DOWN TO 45% COVERAGE. WE ARE LESS THAN 800 FEET FROM THE TOLLWAY. WE ARE ON PRESTON, A STATE HIGHWAY, AND WE'RE ON ROYAL, A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE. YOU'VE HEARD EARLIER TODAY FROM A MULTIPLE PEOPLE IN SUPPORT. YOU'VE HEARD FROM HOMEOWNERS BUSINESS OWNERS, BUSINESS LEADERS, YOU'VE HEARD FROM PARENTS OF ST. MARK'S STUDENTS AS WELL. WE BELIEVE THIS IS THE RIGHT LOCATION FOR THIS TYPE OF TRANSFORMATIVE COMMUNITY PROJECT. THE QUESTION IS, WILL WE BUILD FOR THE FUTURE OR FOR THE PAST? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT, WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER HALL FOR A MOTION. WELL, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UH, MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF CASE C 26 0 0 0 0 0 7. I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM. SUBJECTS TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING REVISIONS TO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, SECTION 51 P 0.11 B TWO A SITE TREES, UH, AT EDIT. TO READ A MINIMUM NUMBER OF 150 SIGHT TREES MUST BE PROVIDED. SECTION 51 P 14 B EXCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS OUTLINED IN THE RED BOX TO READ B HEIGHT BONUS. THE HEIGHT BONUS IS SET FORTH IN SECTION 51 P 1 0 8 B FIVE A-I-I-B-B AND 51 P 1 0 8 B FIVE B-I-I-I-A-A APPLY. IF A MINIMUM OF 5% OF THE TOTAL MULTIFAMILY UNITS IN THIS DISTRICT ARE MADE AVAILABLE TO HOUSEHOLDS EARNING BETWEEN 51 AND 60% OF THE AREA MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME, THE RESERVE UNITS MAY BE ENTIRELY PROVISIONED WITHIN BUILDING ONE. AND IF I GET A SECOND FOR THIS MOTION, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A STATEMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HALL FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR SECOND, YOUR COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER HALL, YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. I ALSO WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO STAFF, ESPECIALLY MR. BATE, MS. GARZA AND MR. PEPE FOR STAFF'S REPORT AND FOR THE CONSIDERABLE TIME TAKEN SPENT ANSWERING MY MANY QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION AND CLARITY ON VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THIS CASE. AND TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WHO TOOK THE TIME TO MEET WITH BOTH THE APPLICANTS AND COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVES WITH SPECIAL RECOGNITION GOING TO COMMISSIONER'S HOUSE, RIGHT SIMS, KINGSTON, AND KUNTZ FOR SHARING INSIGHT AND THOUGHTS ON ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, AND AN IMPRESSIVE TECHNICAL REVIEW OF TREE COUNT AND OTHER LANDSCAPE FEATURES. STAFF'S REPORT DISCUSSES THEIR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND THE SIGNIFICANT, SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL. THE PROPOSED 28 STORY TOWER WAS REDUCED TO 19 STORIES AND 240 FEET AND MOVED TO THE CENTER OF THE SITE. THE OTHER BUILDINGS ARE, UH, TERRA TO TRANSITION FROM 54 FEET TO THE SOUTH AND 45 FEET FROM THE NORTH TO THE CENTRAL TOWER. OPEN SPACE LANDSCAPING, STREET ACTIVATION, ALONG WITH TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS ARE RETAINED. THE PROJECT OFFERS CONDOMINIUMS FOR PURCHASE HOTEL ACCOMMODATIONS AND APARTMENTS FOR LEASE BASED IN PART ON THE CITY'S MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUS POLICY. HEIGHTS OF LOVE ABOVE BASED ZONING WAS ALLOWED IN EXCHANGE FOR 5% OF THE APARTMENT BUILDING TO BE MICRO AND AFFORDABLE UNITS IN THE AFFORDABILITY RANGE OF 51 TO 60% OF THE AREA [05:40:01] ME MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME AS SET BY THE US GOVERNMENT. 60% FOR THE DFW METRO METROPLEX IS APPROXIMATELY $50,800 PER YEAR FOR A SINGLE PERSON. STAFF'S REPORT ALSO NOTES THAT THERE REMAINS AN ONGOING PROCESS IN WHICH INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS FACILITATING VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC WILL BE MADE WITH VARIOUS CITY DEPARTMENTS PRIOR TO PERMITTING. SINCE THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE NOT ZONING AND WILL BE RESOLVED IN THE PERMITTING PROGRESS PROCESS, THEY WERE REMOVED FROM THE PROPOSED PLAN DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE. NOW, WE UNDERSTOOD FROM THE START OF THE REVIEW PROCESS THAT MANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS WERE OPPOSED TO THE SCALE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AT ANY HEIGHT ABOVE 54 FEET. AND WE KNEW THAT THE COMMUNITY LOVES THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. DESCRIBING IT AS BELOVED, TREASURED, QUAINT, CHARMING, UNIQUE, SPECIAL, QUIET, PEACEFUL, CALM, A PREMIER NEIGHBORHOOD DESIRABLE, A WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOOD, FAMILY FRIENDLY, SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY, SMALL TOWN FEEL, COUNTRY-LIKE FEEL BEAUTIFUL BEDROOM, COMMUNITY AND NOSTALGIC. SO HOW DID WE GET TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY? THERE ARE POLICIES AND PRACTICES FOR COMMERCIAL AREAS THAT ALLOW FLEXIBILITY IN CONSIDERING PROPOSALS THAT DEVIATE FROM BASE ZONING. AMONG THESE ARE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS, 2000 PLUS ALREADY IN EXISTENCE IN THE CITY, LAND USE PLANS, MIXED INCOME DEVELOPMENT, HOUSING, BONUSES, AND SO FORTH. THIS CASE IS NOT FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AT PRESTON AND NORTH HAVEN OR ROYAL AND FACTORY, WHERE SUCH A PROPOSAL WOULD BE REJECTED RIGHT AWAY. BUT FOR A BUSY COMMERCIAL SECTOR, AT THE INTERSECTION OF TWO MAJOR ARTERIALS, ROUGHLY A THOUSAND FEET FROM A REGIONAL EXPRESSWAY FOR DALLAS, 2.0 IS A CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN, WHICH DESCRIBES THE PRESTON ROYAL INTERSECTION AS COMMUNITY MIXED USE PLACE TYPE. THIS GUIDELINE DOES NOTE MID-RISE AS AN ASPIRATIONAL GOAL FOR THIS PLACE TYPE, BUT ALSO STATES IN CHAPTER THREE, PAGE 3.3, THAT PLACE TYPES ARE ONE OF SEVERAL FACTORS THAT ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT NEW DEVELOPMENT. IN ADDITION TO THE CONTEXT OF THE SURROUNDING AREA, OTHER PROPERTY SPECIFIC CONSIDERATIONS AND OTHER CITYWIDE ADOPTED POLICIES, IT STATES THE NEED TO INCREASE HOUSING OPTIONS AND PROVIDE A MIX OF HOUSING TYPES. THE DOCUMENT ALSO NOTES ON THE FIRST PAGE OF CHAPTER ONE, THAT FORWARD DALLAS 2.0 IS A CITYWIDE VISIONARY PLAN THAT ESTABLISHES GUIDELINES FOR HOW THE CITY SHOULD LOOK. IT DOES NOT MANDATE CONFORMANCE TO THESE ASPIRATIONAL GOALS. STATE LAW ALLOWS THE CITY TO DEFINE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN ZONING AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR WHICH THE CITY HAS DONE IN CHAPTER 51 A BY THE DALLAS CITY CODE BY SAYING THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SERVES MERELY AS A GUIDE. ADDITIONALLY, TEXAS COURTS HAVE HELD THAT A CITY'S COMPREHENSION COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS MERELY A GUIDE FOR REZONING REQUESTS RATHER THAN A MANDATORY RESTRICTION ON THE CITY'S AUTHORITY TO REGULATE LAND USE. AND AS SUCH, IS NOT BINDING ON THE CITY. THE NORTHWEST HIGHWAY AND PRESTON ROAD AREA PLAN, COMMENTS ON HEIGHT, THE CITY OF DALLAS SHOULD SUPPORT MORE DENSITY BUILDING HEIGHT, FLOOR AREA RATIO, AND OTHER LAND USE CONCESSIONS THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS TO ENCOURAGE PROPERTY OWNERS TO DEVELOP RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS WHERE COMMERCIAL OFFICE COULD BE BUILT. THE COMMISSION'S ROLE IS TO CONSIDER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND TO EVALUATE THE PROPER LAND USE FOR ZONING CHANGE. THE COMMISSION THEN VOTES ON APPROVAL OR NOT. WE DON'T CONSIDER FINANCIAL MATTERS SUCH AS A DEVELOPER'S PROFITS OR GREED. WE CANNOT FORCE A DEVELOPMENT TO MOVE TO OTHER SITE LOCATIONS LIKE VALLEY VIEW MALL. NOR CAN WE FORCE APPLICANTS TO ACCEPT SITE PLANS SUBMITTED BY THE COMMUNITY FOR PRESTON HOLLOW VILLAGE TYPE DEVELOPMENTS. THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS CARRIED AN ARTICLE ON JUNE 17TH TITLED DALLAS CAN STILL DO DE EXCUSE ME, DE DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? MY NEIGHBORHOOD JUST PROVED IT. THIS ARTICLE DISCUSSES AN EFFORT TO REZONE A LOT IN DISTRICT 14 AND REVIEWS A LONG PROCESS OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND NEIGHBORING RESIDENTIAL AREAS LED BY THE OAKLAWN COMMITTEE AND SOME OF THE APPLICANT'S TEAM IN THE CASE BEFORE US TODAY. DISCUSSIONS TOOK PLACE BEFORE THE APPLICATION WAS EVEN SUBMITTED AND CONTINUED UNTIL THE RESOLUTION WAS REACHED WITH BOTH SIDES APPROACHING ENGAGEMENT IN GOOD FAITH AND WITHOUT TAKING A HARDENED STANCE. THE PROCESS LED TO A SIGNIFICANT DROP IN HEIGHT, A REFINED DESIGN, AND ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY PROTECTIONS. THIS COLLABORATIVE PROCESS IS WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED IN THE [05:45:01] CASE BEFORE US. WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED BUT DIDN'T, IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE A HARD LINE STANCE WAS TAKEN AT 54 FEET HEIGHT AND A REFUSAL, REFUSAL, REFUSAL TO MEET WITH THE APPLICANTS UNTIL RECENTLY TAKING THE COMMUNITY OUT OF MOST OF THE NEGOTIATING PROCESS, IT WAS REASONABLE TO EXPRESS OPPOSITION TO THE HEIGHT AND MASS OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. BUT THERE WAS ALSO FOCUS ON OUTRAGE PETITIONS AND YARD SIGNS. THERE WAS A WILLINGNESS TO FIGHT AND THREATEN POLITICAL RETALIATION. IT WAS HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHY THE COMMUNITY WOULD NOT MEET AND DISCUSS DIFFERENCES IN A CIVIL MANNER, EVEN AFTER THE URGING OF SEVERAL COMMISSIONERS TO DO SO. FOR MORE ON THIS APPROACH, I ON OF ENGAGEMENT, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ COMMISSIONER HOUSE WRITES OPINION ARTICLE IN AUGUST 4TH, 2025 DALLAS MORNING NEWS THAT URGES CITIZENS TO ENGAGE IN A BALANCE AND EQUITABLE DISCUSSION OF THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY. THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF THIS CASE WAS NOT MADE LIGHTLY. THERE WAS NO INTENT TO SET A PRECEDENT OR PATTERN FOR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN THE DISTRICT. NO TEST CASE, JUST AN ATTEMPT TO FIND THE BEST USE FOR A PLOT OF OPEN COMMERCIAL LAND IN DISTRICT 13. THE RECOMMENDATION TOOK THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION, CAREFUL STUDY, AND MANY CONSULTATIONS, PUBLIC AND MANY PRIVATE MEETINGS WERE HELD. OPPOSITION FEEDBACK WAS SHARED WITH THE COMMISSION APPLICANTS AND STAFF. THERE WAS FREQUENT COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT ON THE FEEDBACK. THIS CASE IS RELATED TO DIVERSIFYING LAND USE AND GENERATING COMMERCIAL AND HOUSING OPTIONS IN COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS SUCH AS THE PRESTON ROYAL INTERSECTION, I VIEW IT AS BEING ABOUT THE NEAR AND LONG-TERM FUTURES, NOT ABOUT THE PAST. AND FOR MORE OF THIS, TAKE A LOOK AT THE OP-ED BY THE EDITORIAL BOARD OF THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS ON JUNE 24TH. TITLE PRESTON ROYAL PLAN DESERVES A CHANCE. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, AND I AGREE. WE'LL FIND OUT IN A FEW MINUTES IF THE COMMISSION AGREES OR NOT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO COMMISSIONER HALL'S MOTION IF, DO YOU HAVE THE FLOOR? OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONER HALL, UH, IN SECTION 1 0 6, UH, SUBPART. CI WOULD LIKE TO ADD FOUR PROHIBITED USES TO THE ORDINANCE, AND THOSE ARE DRIVE-THROUGH BANK, DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT, MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION AND CAR WASH. AND THEN IN SECTION ONE 13 ABOUT SIGNS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ENTIRE SECTION STRUCK FROM THE ORDINANCE. COMMISSIONER HALL IS THE MAKER OF THE MOTION. IS THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT ACCEPTABLE? I I'LL ACCEPT THAT. MR. CHAIR. OKAY, MR. CHAIR. I'D LIKE TO BE RECOGNIZED. GIMME JUST ONE SECOND. MR. BATES, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? UH, QUESTION FOR COMMISSIONER HOUSE WRIGHT, IN REGARDS TO THE SIGNED SECTION, WOULD YOU PREFER THAT THE PED CONDITIONS DEFAULT TO, UH, ARTICLE SEVEN, UH, WHICH IS JUST THE BASIC DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE SIGN REGULATIONS, THAT THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE THEN MY MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE SIGNS REFERENCED IN THIS SECTION WOULD SIMPLY BECOME NON-CONFORMING. YEAH, I MEAN, IF THERE ARE SIGNS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON SITE THAT ARE BUILT LIKE THIS, THEN I GUESS THEY WOULD BECOME NONCONFORMING. YEAH. OKAY. SO I THINK WE'RE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. YEAH, BUT I JUST, I WAS RECOMMENDING THAT THE SECTION SHOULD STILL REFER AT LEAST TO ARTICLE SEVEN, SO THAT IT HAS SIGNED REGULATIONS CO IN THERE. I, I DEFER TO YOUR, UH, EXPERTISE ON THAT. SO THANK YOU. AND MR. CHAIR, I DO HAVE COMMENTS AT SOME POINT, SO, OKAY. WE'LL DEALT WITH YOU FOR A MINUTE. LET'S RECOGNIZE COMMISSIONER COX, I BELIEVE HAS AN AMENDMENT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE MOTION TO APPROVE. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR THANK YOU IN THE MATTER OF CASE NUMBER Z DASH 26 DASH 0 0 0 7. I MOVE TO AMEND THE MAIN MOTION BY MAKING THE FOLLOWING CHANGES TO THE PROPOSED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ORDINANCE. NO STRUCTURE MAY EXCEED 75 FEET IN HEIGHT. MAXIMUM STRUCTURE HEIGHT FOR ANY PORTION OF BUILDING IN ZONE ONE IS 35 FEET. MAXIMUM STRUCTURE HEIGHT FOR ANY PORTION OF A BUILDING. AND HEIGHT ZONE TWO IS 55 FEET. AND THE MAXIMUM STRUCTURE HEIGHT FOR ANY PORTION OF A BUILDING [05:50:01] AND HEIGHT THREE IS 75 FEET. AN ADDITIONAL SETBACK OF, OF 15 FEET IS REQUIRED FOR ANY PORTION OF A BUILDING OVER 55 FEET IN HEIGHT. AN ADDITIONAL SETBACK OF 10 FEET IS REQUIRED FOR ANY PORTION OF A BUILDING OVER 65 FEET. A MINIMUM SETBACK OF 30 FEET IS REQUIRED FOR ANY ADJACENT RESIDENCY. RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY REMOVED THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING HEIGHT BONUS, AN EIGHT FOOT TALL SOLID MASONRY WALL IS REQUIRED ALONG THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE. AND WE'RE ADJACENT TO ALLY ZONED PROPERTY. MAXIMUM LENGTH OF ANY BUILDING FACADE FACING RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY OR THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE IS 200 FEET. AND THEN WITHIN 150 FEET OF ADJACENT RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY OR THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE, THE ARCHITECTURE ELEMENTS LISTED IN SECTION 1 0 8 B SIX MAY NOT PROJECT ABOVE THE MAXIMUM STRUCTURE HEIGHT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER COX FOR YOUR AMENDMENT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KAUFMAN FOR YOUR SECOND. AND I HAVE COMMENTS. IT'S YOUR, YEAH, IT'S YOUR AMENDMENT. SO THANK YOU. I'M GO AHEAD AND COMMENT. SO FIRST OF ALL, MY F UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, THE ISSUE IS HEIGHT. WE'VE HEARD THAT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN FROM THOSE THAT HAVE TESTIFIED BEFORE THIS COMMISSION. SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. I WOULD ALSO ASK YOU TO KEEP IN MIND IF THIS WAS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, CLOSE TO YOUR HOME, THAT YOU'VE INVESTED YOUR LIFE IN, YOUR FUTURE IN, WOULD YOU WANT TO BE LOOKING AT A 240 FOOT BUILDING ADJACENT TO YOUR PROPERTY? AND I SUGGEST YOU PROBABLY WON'T. SO I BELIEVE THIS AMENDMENT IS A PATH FORWARD THAT RESPECTS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT PROTECTS THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND GIVES THE APPLICANT A VIABLE DEVELOPMENT ENVELOPE. WE ALL KNOW THE LEVEL OF PUBLIC CONCERN HERE. MORE THAN 4,500 RESIDENTS SIGNED A PETITION AND HUNDREDS FROM DISTRICT 13 AND DISTRICT 11 HAVE SHOWN, SHOWN UP REPEATEDLY TO EXPRESS CLEAR, CONSISTENT OBJECTIONS TO THE HEIGHT AND MASSING OF THIS PROPOSAL. THAT LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT DESERVES A MEANINGFUL RESPONSE FROM THIS COMMISSION FORWARD. DALLAS DESIGNATES THIS CORNER AS COMMUNITY MIXED USE, NOT REGIONAL CENTER, NOT URBAN CORE, NOT A TOWER. DISTRICT CMU CALLS FOR NEIGHBORHOODS SERVING USES IN LOW TO MID-RISE BUILDINGS, GENERALLY UNDER 60 TO 70 FEET WITH CONTEXT SENSITIVE TRANSITIONS AT EDGES, THE BASE ZONING TOTALLY ALLOWS 54 FEET. THE HOMES BEHIND THIS SITE ARE ONE STORY, A 200 FOOT, 240 FOOT HOTEL, UH, CONDO TOWER, AN APARTMENT TOWER OF 210 FEET, AND A 12 STORY OFFICE BUILDING ARE NOT A TRANSITION, BUT RATHER A VIOLATION OF THIS PLACE TYPE A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 75 FEET. PAIRED WITH THE REQUIRED STEP DOWNS, SETBACKS, AND BUFFERING, KEEPS THE PD WITHIN THE INTENDED SCALE OF CMU AND ACTUALLY IMPROVES THE COMPATIBILITY COMPARED TO BASE ZONING. THESE CONDITIONS ARE NOT ARBITRARY. THEY ARE EXACTLY WHAT FORWARD DALLAS AND THE DEVELOPMENT CODE EXPECT, UH, US TO APPLY WHEN INTENSITY APPROACHES SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. OUR OBLIGATIONS AS COMMISSIONERS IS NOT TO MAXIMIZE THE HEIGHT FOR AN APPLICANT. OUR OBLIGATION IS TO UPHOLD FORWARD DALLAS, APPLY THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, PROTECT NEIGHBORHOOD STABILITY, AND ENSURE THAT ANY PD IMPROVES COMPATIBILITY COMPARED TO BASE ZONING. RESIDENTS WHO OPPOSE THIS PD ARE ENTITLED TO A DECISION GROUNDED IN AB ADOPTED POLICY, NOT AN ASPIRATIONAL MASSING. THIS AMENDMENT IS A REASONABLE COMPROMISE. IT GIVES THE APPLICANT SUBSTANTIAL FLEXIBILITY, IT RESPECTS THE PLACE TYPE AND IT PROTECTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS A STANDARD DEFENSIBLE PD FRAMEWORK, AND IT IS ONE MY COLLEAGUES SHOULD BE WILLING AND ABLE TO SUPPORT. THANK YOU. OKAY. AGAIN, NO, NO APPLAUSE. WE'RE JUST GETTING THROUGH OUR DISCUSSION HERE. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE ALTERNATIVE MOTION. FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT'S AN EXTREMELY BAD PRACTICE TO BASICALLY REWRITE THE PD WITH BULLET POINTS BEING OUT OF CONTEXT WITH THE ACTUAL SUBSTANCE OF A CAREFULLY THOUGHT OUT PD. UM, I, I THINK IT'S DANGEROUS TO DO THAT AT THE HORSESHOE. UM, AND AND MORE THAN THAT, I, I, I SUPPORT THE PROJECT. UM, I THINK THAT THIS PROJECT BRINGS A LOT OF GOOD THINGS TO IT, AND I'LL, I'LL SAVE THOSE COMMENTS WHEN WE GET BACK TO THE MAIN MOTION. [05:55:01] BUT I DON'T THINK THAT, UM, YOU END UP WITH NEARLY THE KIND OF PRODUCT THAT A MORE THOUGHTFULLY DESIGNED PD CAN DELIVER TO THIS COMMUNITY BY JUST CHOPPING OFF THE TOPS OF ALL THE BUILDINGS, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS MOTION DOES. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SIMS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, I'D, I'D LIKE TO START BY ADDRESSING THE QUESTION THAT COMMISSIONER COX ASKED OF THE COMMISSION IS, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO SEE THIS DEVELOPMENT SIGHT OF YOUR HOUSE? UH, I LIVE INSIDE OF IT. I LIVED LESS THAN HALF A MILE AWAY FROM THIS AND HAVE DONE SO SINCE 1995. IN FACT, WHEN I MOVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT WAS THE ONLY SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES. UH, I SHARE THE EXPERIENCE OF THE FOLKS WHO SAID THEY HAVE PEOPLE LOOKING IN THEIR BACKYARDS. I HAVE THE SAME THING. IF I WANNA LOOK IN MY NEIGHBOR'S BACKYARDS, I HAVE TO CLIMB UP ON MY ROOF. SO I UNDERSTAND ENTIRELY WHAT, UH, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS. UM, AS WE THINK ABOUT FORD DALLAS, I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS A GREAT DEAL, AND I THINK THE LAW IS CLEAR ON THIS, THAT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A PLAN FOR THE LONG RANGE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY. AND THAT'S NOT THE SAME AS A ZONING REGULATION, RIGHT? COMPREHENSIVE PLANS AND ZONING REGULATIONS ARE BOTH GOVERNED BY STATE LAW. THAT'S TRUE, BUT IT'S ALSO TRUE THAT STATE LAW SAYS ZONING MUST BE ADOPTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. BUT WE'VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT IN CONTEXT, AND THAT MAKES IT CLEAR THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLANS DO NOT, AND THEY CANNOT REZONE PROPERTY, RIGHT? COMPREHENSIVE PLANS ARE NOT ZONING REGULATIONS. THEY DON'T ESTABLISH ZONING BOUNDARIES. COMPREHENSIVE PLANS ARE NOT THE END ALL AND BE ALL FOR ZONING, BECAUSE STATE LAW ALLOWS THE CITY TO IMPLEMENT OTHER PLANS, POLICIES AND STRATEGIES FOR ZONING. AND THIRD, AND FINALLY, THE LAW ALLOWS THE CITY TO DEFINE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN ZONING AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS. AS COMMISSIONER HALL STATED, RIGHT, THE CITY'S DONE SO IN SECTION 51, A1 0.108, AND THE DEVELOPMENT CODE BY SAYING THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLANS ARE A GUIDE FOR FUTURE ZONING REQUESTS. SO FOR DALLAS MATTERS, BUT IT IS NOT THE END ALL AND BE ALL. AND I BELIEVE STAFF HAS SPOKEN TODAY TO HOW THEY HAVE CONSIDERED THAT IN MAKING THEIR, THEIR MOTION IN MAKING THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS. AND I JOINED COMMISSIONER KINGSTON IN OPPOSING THIS MOTION. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I APPRECIATE THE SPIRIT OF WHAT THIS AMENDMENT DOES, BUT I ALSO WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. UM, I WILL SAVE MY FULL COMMENTS FOR WHEN WE RETURN TO THE MAIN MOTION. UM, BUT I, I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS ACHIEVES THE GOAL OF EITHER GROUP, AND MAYBE THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A COMPROMISE, BUT IT IS DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WOULD BE OVERLAID IN THE PD CONDITIONS THAT ARE BEFORE US AND STILL ACHIEVE SOME OF THE GOALS THAT I THINK I HAVE HEARD. EVEN THOSE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO THIS REQUEST WOULD LIKE TO SEE COME OUT OF IT. SO THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. UM, YEAH, I WON'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION. UH, ONE OF THE SPEAKERS EARLIER TODAY IS A LOT MORE ELOQUENT THAN ME, SAID THAT, UM, HEIGHT DOES NOT EQUAL HARM, AND I WHOLLY, WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH THAT. UM, ON THE TOPIC OF FORWARD DALLAS, I WAS HERE ON THIS COMMISSION WHEN FORWARD DALLAS PASSED. WE WERE, UH, IMPLORED TO KEEP DENSITY AND NEW HOUSING TYPES OUT OF NEIGHBORHOODS. WE DID, WE WERE IMPLORED TO KEEP DENSITY AND MIXED USE ON MAJOR CORRIDORS. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS CASE DOES, AND THAT'S WHY I'M GONNA SUPPORT IT. BUT I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS MOTION. COMMISSIONER KTZ. UM, I ALSO CANNOT SUPPORT THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COX AND AM LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION. UM, I, I LIKE COMMISSIONER SIM'S IDEA TO RESPOND TO COMMISSIONER COX'S QUESTION ABOUT SEEING TOWERS FROM MY BACKYARD. MY PERSONAL AND PROFESSIONAL URBAN PLANNING, UM, VIEWS OVERLAP HERE. I LIVE IN GREENLAND HILLS, UH, IN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, ALSO BELOVED BY ITS RESIDENCE. UM, I CAN SEE MULTIPLE TALL BUILDINGS FROM MY BACKYARD. UM, AND WE CHOSE, WE CHOSE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT IS WALKABLE, UH, TO VERY STABLE RESTAURANTS, RETAIL AND AMENITIES. UM, THOSE BUILDINGS HAVE NOT DIMINISHED THE CHARACTER OR VALUE OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, CONVERSELY, THEY HAVE STRENGTHENED IT, AND I BELIEVE THIS DEVELOPMENT CAN HAVE A SIMILARLY POSITIVE EFFECT, UH, ON THE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND IT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE AMENDMENT? I'LL JUST BRIEFLY CHIME IN AS WELL. UM, SIMILAR TO COMMISSIONER SIMS AND COMMISSIONER KUNTZ. I GREW [06:00:01] UP IN NORTH DALLAS AT THE FOREST AND HILLCREST AREA. AND I LOOKED AT FOR MY PARENTS' BACKYARD ONTO A MEDICAL CITY TOWER, WHICH IS FURTHER AWAY THAN WHAT THIS WOULD BE FROM SOME RESIDENCE. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I HAD LOTS OF FOND AFTERNOONS PLAYING IN THAT BACKYARD, YOU KNOW, WITH THE TOWER IN THE BACKGROUND. AND LIFE WAS, WAS PRETTY DARN GOOD. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT HUGELY CONCERNED ABOUT IF THIS WERE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW I WOULD, YOU KNOW, EXPERIENCE IT. THE MAIN THRUST OF WHAT I WANTED TO SPEAK TO THOUGH, IS THE, WHERE THIS IS GOING IN TERMS OF THE HEIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, ZONE ONE BEING 35 FEET ACTUALLY REDUCES HEIGHT FROM WHAT'S ALLOWED UNDER THE CURRENT CR ZONING. THEN THE 55 AND 75 FEET, I THINK WOULD JUST PUSH THIS DEVELOPMENT INTO A SORT OF REALLY DIFFICULT SPOT. AND WOULD RADI, IF, EVEN IF IT, IF IT'S EVEN WORKABLE UNDER THESE CONDITIONS, WOULD RADICALLY ALTER IT. AND I'VE HEARD LOTS OF FOLKS, YOU KNOW, SUGGESTING THAT SB EIGHT 40 DEVELOPMENT IS WHAT'S DESIRED HERE. AND I, I, I TAKE THAT SUGGESTION IN GOOD FAITH, AND I THINK SB EIGHT 40 IS SORT OF THE NEW STARTING POINT FOR OUR DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE IT PREEMPTS, YOU KNOW, OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE AND, AND SETS A NEW FLOOR FOR, UM, COMMERCIALLY ZONED AREAS AND WHAT CAN BE BUILT IN THEM. UM, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE NEED SB EIGHT 40 DEVELOPMENT ON EACH AND EVERY CORNER. IT'S ABOUT HAVING A DIVERSITY OF DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND AGING SHOPPING CENTERS AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, AREAS THAT ARE ZONED COMMERCIAL THROUGHOUT THE CITY. IT MAY BE THAT SB EIGHT 40 DEVELOPMENT COMPLIMENTS THIS NICELY, YOU KNOW, ON ANOTHER CORNER OF PRESTON ROYAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT THAT DIDN'T MEAN WE NEED TO BE LOCKED INTO, YOU KNOW, 5, 4, 5, 6 STORY WRAPS ON EVERY COMMERCIAL, UM, YOU KNOW, ZONE PROPERTY AT A FOUR CORNER SHOPPING CENTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. I THINK WE CAN GET IMAGINATIVE AND COME UP WITH SOME REALLY WONDERFUL THINGS THAT, UM, REALLY BENEFIT THE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND WE'LL GET TO, UM, THE MAIN MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HALL, UM, IN A FEW MOMENTS WHENEVER WE VOTE ON THIS AMENDMENT. BUT I THINK THIS REALLY PUTS TOO MANY HANDCUFFS ON, UM, WHAT NEEDS TO BE A REALLY, YOU KNOW, THOUGHTFUL PROCESS THAT A CORNER WHERE SOME HEIGHT IS ULTIMATELY APPROPRIATE. SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE AMENDMENT. COMMISSIONER SERRATO? YEAH, I'M, I DON'T THINK I WAS EVEN FULLY AWARE THAT YOU CAN AMEND, UM, A MOTION TO THIS EXTENT. UM, SO I GUESS MY QUESTION COMES LIKE, UM, I, I TOO THINK THE BUILDINGS ARE TOO HIGH. YOU KNOW, I'VE SAID THAT I THINK SEVERAL TIMES. UM, BUT ARE THESE, YOU KNOW, AMENDMENTS, LIKE THESE BULLET POINTS, WERE THEY EVEN DISCUSSED WITH THE DEVELOPER? LIKE, WHERE DID THIS COME FROM? LIKE, I DON'T, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD, WOULD BENEFIT ALL SIDES OR NOT. LIKE, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH I AM LEANING ON THE SIDE OF, I THINK THE BUILDINGS ARE TOO HIGH, I I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW YOU COULD AMEND SOMEONE'S MOTION THIS MUCH. THIS SEEMS, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS OUTTA THE ORDINARY OR LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF THERE'S LIKE A MORE CONSISTENT PROCESS FOR DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, JUST 'CAUSE I, LIKE, I WOULD WANNA KNOW THAT THIS WAS DISCUSSED WITH SOMEONE PRIOR TO BRINGING IT TO MOTION. I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, AS CHAIR I CAN SAY THAT I BELIEVE THE AMENDMENT IS IN ORDER, UM, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, I HAVE MY OWN FEELINGS ON IT THAT I JUST SPOKE ABOUT. BUT THAT MAY BE SOME QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER COX THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ASK. IT SOUNDS LIKE THOSE ARE QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER COX. I JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND LIKE, HOW DID YOU EVEN COME UP WITH THESE SPECIFIC NUMBERS AND, UH, WHAT, DID THIS COME OUT OF A CONVERSATION WITH ANY OF THE RESIDENTS HERE OR WITH A DEVELOPER? OR ARE THEY JUST LIKE ARBITRARY NUMBERS THAT YOU CAME UP WITH? THESE ARE PRACTICES FOR EXISTING PROPERTY. SOME OF THIS COMES OUT OF THE CODE. UM, I WOULD TELL YOU THAT I THINK THAT THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE INVESTED, COMMISSIONER COX, CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? YOU'RE TRAILING OFF. I WOULD TELL YOU THAT THE INDIVIDUALS IN THIS CHAMBER THAT ARE INVESTED IN THIS PROJECT WOULD BE HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH THE DEVELOPER AND TALK ABOUT ANY OF THAT AND NEGOTIATE IN SPITE OF WHAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS. THERE HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT APPETITE ON THE, FOR, ON THE PART OF HOMEOWNERS TO DISCUSS, COLLABORATE, AND NEGOTIATE WITH THE, THE APPLICANT. AND IT HASN'T HAPPENED. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S THE APPLICANT'S FAULT. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S THE HOMEOWNER'S FAULT, [06:05:01] BUT IT HASN'T HAPPENED. THANK YOU. I CAN SEE YOUR PASSION FOR THIS PROJECT, AND I DIDN'T MEAN TO OFFEND, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND LIKE HOW THIS CAME ABOUT. SO THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? YES. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I SEE YOUR HAND, THEN I'LL GO TO YOU. COMMISSIONER WHEELER. I'LL JUST SAY BRIEFLY, I, I CAN'T SUPPORT THE, UH, ALTERNATE OR AMENDED MOTION EITHER. UM, WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID ABOUT HIDE, I AGREE WITH, UM, WHAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE SAID, BUT I ALSO OBJECT TO REMOVING THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING HEIGHT BONUS, WHICH IS NOT IN ACCORD WITH ESTABLISHED CITY POLICY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHEELER. YOUR COMMENT. AND THAT IS, THAT IS, THAT IS ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS I CAN'T SUPPORT IT BECAUSE WE NEED MIXED INCOME HOUSING, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MIDDLE HOUSING, UM, NEEDS THAT WE HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING IT'S, UH, WE DO HAVE OUR AGENT IN PLACE AND THIS, THIS DOES, THIS IS A SOLUTION TO OUR AGENT IN PLACE. BUT I DO HAVE PAUSE, PAUSE AT THE HEIGHT. UM, I THINK THAT THE MOST I WAS WILLING TO SEE IS A HUNDRED TO 150 AT THIS IS EXTREMELY HIGH. UM, WHEN THEY MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT THE, UM, UM, UM, UH, ABOUT THE HEIGHT, IT, IT, IT, IT STILL GIVES ME CAUSE TO PAUSE ABOUT, UH, UH, ABOUT THAT. ESPECIALLY I LOOKED UP THE STATUE OF LIBERTY IS QUITE HIGH. UH, IT'S 156 WITHOUT THE STAGE OR WITHOUT THE STAND OR THE, UM, OR THE CROWN. BUT AGAIN, UH, I WOULDN'T SEE ONE TO SEE IF THAT CAN BE HAPPENING AMONGST THE DEVELOPER AND THE COMMUNITY. AND I'VE HEARD CONSISTENTLY FROM THOSE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME IS THAT THEY ARE NOT AGAINST THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT, THEY ARE AGAINST THE HEIGHT AND THAT WE NEED TO COME TO SOME TYPE OF MIDDLE GROUND. I KNOW THAT WE HAD, WE DIDN'T WANT 25 STORIES, SO I CAN ONLY IMAGINE 200 STORIES IN MY 200 FEET IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I WOULD, I WANNA, YOU KNOW, UM, I, I THINK SOMETHING NEEDS TO HAPPEN THERE, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE WHAT'S RIGHT AND 4,500 SIGNATURES. UH, AND UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS MORE PEOPLE AROUND THE COM, UH, AROUND THE CHAMBER THAT BELIEVE THAT DENSITY SHOULD HAPPEN. I DO BELIEVE ON MAJOR CORRIDORS WE SHOULD HAVE INSTINCT, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT 4,500 COMMUNITY MEMBERS DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THIS SHOULD ALSO HAVE A CONVERSATION. ANYONE THAT HAS DRIVEN DOWN PRESTON AND ROYAL PRESTON IS A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE. UM, UM, GETTING FROM NORTH DALLAS TO, TO THE SOUTHERN SECTOR, OFTEN IF YOU WORK OUT THERE, YOU COME DOWN PRESTON. SO, BUT I DEFINITELY, AND, AND ALSO THE, UM, PORTION ABOUT IT BEING WRITTEN OUT ABOUT, UM, HAVING, UM, STOPLIGHTS, WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE. WE DID IT IN DISTRICT SEVEN, UH, AT BUCKNER AT BUCKNER AND 30 WITH THE HOME DEPOT, A WELL NEEDED LIGHT THAT HAD BEEN NEEDED FOR YEARS. WE PLAY RUSSIAN RELATED EVERY TIME WE JUMPED OUT. COMING FROM SAM'S TODAY, WE HAVE THAT LIGHT BECAUSE OF THAT PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY AND HOME DEPOT. AND IT IS A SAFER NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF SUCH, SO MY POSITIVE CONCERN IS THE HEIGHT. UM, BUT I, I DON'T THINK THAT, I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE A CONVERSATION. POSSIBLY THIS CASE POSSIBLY NEEDS TO BE HELD TO KIND OF COME DOWN A LITTLE BIT ON THAT HEIGHT. BUT NO, IN NO WAY POSSIBLE SHOULD WE BE TAKING OUT ANY TYPE OF, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT IS, THAT IS GIVEN BY, UM, DEVELOPERS. CHECK. RECALL THE QUESTION. I I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE WHO LIKES TO, HAS COMMENTS. SO LET'S TAKE A RECORD VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT. I DON'T, THERE'S NO SPEAKERS LEFT, SO WE CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND VOTE. MS. LOPEZ? DISTRICT ONE? NO. DISTRICT TWO? NO. DISTRICT THREE, NO. DISTRICT FOUR? NO. DISTRICT FIVE, NO. DISTRICT SIX? NO. DISTRICT SEVEN, NO. DISTRICT EIGHT? NO. DISTRICT NINE? NO. DISTRICT 10? NO. DISTRICT 11? YES. DISTRICT 12, YES. DISTRICT 13, NO. DISTRICT 14. NO, NO. PLEASE. 15? NO. OKAY. WITH TWO IN FAVOR. 13 IN OPPOSITION. THE MOTION FAILS. WE'RE BACK ON THE MAIN MOTION. COMMISSIONER KINGSON. THANK YOU. I SECONDED THE MOTION AND I'M NOT SURE IF THE RECORD REFLECTS THAT. I ALSO ACCEPTED THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT MADE BY COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. UM, I SECOND, I SECONDED THE MOTION AND SUPPORT THIS PROJECT FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. I PERSONALLY HAVE HAD TO SHEPHERD THROUGH A NUMBER OF PROJECTS LIKE THIS IN MY OWN DISTRICT IN DEALING WITH THE COMMUNITY. [06:10:01] AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY, SOME OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE ALWAYS IN OPPOSITION TO MOST OF THESE PROJECTS. AND I THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING DOWN HERE. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS. UM, I THINK THAT THIS COMMUNITY MISSED OUT ON SOME REAL OPPORTUNITIES TO PROBABLY IMPROVE THIS PROJECT BY NOT SITTING DOWN AT THE TABLE WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT TEAM EARLIER IN THE PROCESS. I'VE WORKED WITH THIS, I'VE WORKED WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT TEAM. ALL RIGHT FOLKS, WE'RE GONNA LET COMMISSIONER KINGSTON MAKE HER REMARKS. THANK YOU. OKAY, FOLKS, I DO NOT WANNA HAVE TO ASK ANYONE TO LEAVE, BUT IF THERE CONTINUE OUTBURSTS, UH, CHAPTER EIGHT OF THE CITY CODE DOES REQUIRE ME TO REMOVE PEOPLE WHO ARE DISRUPTING THE MEETING. I REALLY HOPE IT DOES NOT COME TO THAT. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. THANK YOU. I PERSONALLY WORKED WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT TEAM ON PROJECTS LIKE THIS MOST RECENTLY. ONE THAT, THAT, UH, MY COLLEAGUE MENTIONED A FEW MOMENTS AGO IN HIS COMMENTS IN NORTH OAK OAK LAWN, WHICH IS A TRADITIONALLY LOW DENSITY, UM, RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. UM, AND WHAT I HAVE OBSERVED FROM THESE TYPE OF PROJECTS IS A, PEOPLE USUALLY DISLIKE THEM LESS ONCE THEY'RE BUILT. B THEY DO TYPICALLY BRING BETTER QUALITY RESTAURANTS, RETAIL AND OTHER HOUSING TO THE AREA. UM, THE TRAFFIC ON RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS IS TYPICALLY NOT NEARLY AS, UH, VOLUMINOUS AS PEOPLE ANTICIPATE IT TO BE. RETAIL HAS A MUCH HIGHER PER USE TRAFFIC COUNT THAN HOTEL, FOR SURE. AND EVEN MULTIFAMILY. AND I'LL SAY, YOU KNOW, I LIVED FOR A LONG TIME IN A SINGLE WHAT WOULD BE REGARDED AS A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD OFF LOWER GREENVILLE. AND WHEN WE HAD A COUPLE OF LARGER DEVELOPMENTS COME INTO OUR AREA, OUR COMMUNITY REALLY OPPOSED IT. AND IN HINDSIGHT, I THINK THAT WAS A MISTAKE BECAUSE WHAT THAT DENSITY BROUGHT TO A VIBRANT RETAIL AREA WAS BETTER RETAIL, MORE RETAIL, BETTER RESTAURANTS. AND YOU ONLY GET THAT WITH A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DENSITY. YOU ONLY GET BETTER TRANSIT AND BETTER WALKABILITY WITH A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DENSITY. THIS, I LIKE THE SPECIFICS OF THIS PROJECT BECAUSE I THINK IT BRINGS VITALLY NEEDED ALTERNATIVE HOUSING TYPES TO THIS AREA. UM, IT IS ON THE TRANSIT CORRIDOR AT THE CORNER OF A TRANSIT CORRIDOR, STATE HIGHWAY, AND A THOROUGHFARE WITHIN A SHORT DISTANCE TO THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY. UM, I DO DRIVE THIS INTERSECTION ALL THE TIME 'CAUSE MY OFFICE IS IN THE NORTH OF THE CITY. SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE TRAFFIC AND WHAT HAPPENS AT THIS INTERSECTION. I DON'T THINK THIS DEVELOPMENT SIGNIFICANTLY IMPAIRS THAT INTERSECTION. THINGS I LIKE ABOUT THIS PROJECT, UM, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT'S MUCH NEEDED, WHETHER THEY PROVIDE THE UNITS OR PAY THE FEE IN LIEU, UH, THE SUSTAINABILITY FEATURES ARE QUITE GOOD ON THIS PROJECT. THE LANDSCAPING FEATURES ARE, ARE, YOU KNOW, INDUSTRY LEADING ON THIS PROJECT. AND I SHARE THE SENTIMENT THAT A COUPLE OF THE OTHER SPEAKERS HAD. UM, ADAM MURPHY, WHO'S THE PRESIDENT OF OAKLAWN COMMITTEE, AND MS. JOHNSON, WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU EXPERIENCE FROM THE GROUND FLOOR PLANE ON A HIGH-RISE LI LIKE THIS, AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF HEIGHT, YOU REALLY DON'T DIFFERENTIATE WHETHER IT'S 10 STORIES OR 20 STORIES, WHAT YOU EXPERIENCE IS WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FIRST COUPLE OF STORIES AT THE GROUND PLANE. AND I THINK THIS PROJECT DOES A VERY GOOD JOB OF ADDRESSING THAT USE AND CENTERING THE HEIGHT FARTHER BACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, FARTHER INTO THE SITE. UM, AND INTO COMMISSIONER HOUSER'S POINT, WHAT WE COMMITTED TO DO IN FORWARD DALLAS AS A CITY IS LOOK FOR HIGH TRAFFIC OPPORTUNITY AREAS TO PUT DENSITY. SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO RELY ON PUTTING ALL OF THE DENSITY INTO EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS PROJECT DOES. NOBODY'S TEARING DOWN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO BUILD THIS PROJECT. THIS PROJECT IS BEING BUILT ON AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL SITE, ON A HIGH, UH, TRAFFIC CAPABILITY CORRIDOR. IT'S EXACTLY WHAT NEIGHBORHOODS ASK US TO DO IN FORWARD DALLAS TOO. UM, IT ALSO SUPPORTS SOME GROWING TRENDS WE'RE SEEING WITH HAVING PEOPLE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO AGE IN PLACE AND A GROWING NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE TO RENT. THEY PARTICULARLY ARE GROWING THAT DEMOGRAPHIC IS PARTICULARLY GROWING IN THE LUXURY MARKET. AND SO I THINK THIS PRODUCT PROVIDES SOMETHING THAT WE ARE SEEING, UM, WELL RECEIVED IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY. UM, I'VE HEARD SOME COMMENTS THAT THIS ISN'T AN URBAN CORE, THAT THIS IS A SUBURBAN AREA. I I JUST SIMPLY DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. THIS IS THE CITY [06:15:01] OF DALLAS. THIS ISN'T A SUBURB. NOW THAT JUST BECAUSE IT DOESN'T LOOK JUST LIKE UPTOWN DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT URBAN. IT'S A VERY URBAN AREA. UM, I ALSO DON'T REALLY GIVE A LOT OF CREDENCE TO THE IDEA THAT THIS PROJECT CREATES A SAFETY CONCERN FOR STUDENTS. WE HAVE SCHOOLS IN DOWNTOWN. WE HAVE SCHOOLS ALL OVER UPTOWN. THE THE GREATEST CONCERN FOR SAFETY IN STUDENT, FOR STUDENTS IN OUR SCHOOLS IN UNITED STATES IS NOT SOMETHING ANYBODY ON THIS BODY CAN DO A DARN THING ABOUT. SO ALL OF THAT IS TO SAY, I THINK THAT, THAT THIS PROJECT IS A REALLY GOOD ONE AND I THINK IT WILL BENEFIT THIS COMMUNITY. AND I ALSO WANNA MAKE A POINT TO SAY, AND I THINK THIS IS TRUE FOR OTHER PEOPLE ON THIS COMMISSION, I DON'T REALLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE DEVELOPERS PROFIT OR THEIR LEGACY PROJECT. THAT DIDN'T MEAN ANYTHING TO ME. I REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT. WHAT I CARE ABOUT IS HAVING WELL-DESIGNED PROJECTS BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE ABILITY TO SEE THEM THROUGH IN A WAY THAT PROVIDES GOOD BENEFIT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND GOOD BENEFIT FOR THE CITY. AND THAT'S HOW I SEE THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. UM, THIS QUALITY OR THIS, EXCUSE ME. THIS APPLICATION IS A QUALITY PROJECT. AND I I SAY THAT LOOKING THROUGH THE LENS OF MANY YEARS ON THIS PLAN COMMISSION AND A 45 YEAR, UH, CAREER IN COMMERCIAL ARCHITECTURE, UM, THIS PROJECT WILL PROVIDE NEW RESIDENTIAL OPTIONS FOR PRESTON HOLLOW RESIDENTS, AS WELL AS NEW OFFICE, RESTAURANT AND HOTEL CHOICES. THE PROJECT WILL GENERATE LESS TRAFFIC THAN MANY OTHER POTENTIAL USES, PARTICULARLY THOSE ASSOCIATED WITH THE CURRENT ZONING. THE PROJECT IS A VAST IMPROVEMENT OVER THE HUNDREDS OF UNITS THAT COULD BE BUILT BY, RIGHT? THOSE UNITS WOULD BE WOOD FRAME APARTMENTS THAT WOULD COVER HALF AGAIN, AS MUCH SITE AREA AND PROVIDE LESS OPEN SPACE. THE PROJECT WOULD BE A MUCH LOWER CONSTRUCTION QUALITY AND HAVE A USEFUL LIFE HALF AS LONG AS THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL. LIKE MOST ZONING CASES THAT COME TO CPC. THIS ONE IS ABOUT HEIGHT, DENSITY, AND LAND USE. HOWEVER, I THINK THERE'S A BIGGER ISSUE, UH, AT PLAY HERE IN THAT ELEMENT IS CHANGE. WHERE CAN IT OCCUR? WHEN CAN IT OCCUR? AND WHO IS ALLOWED TO CHANGE AND WHO IS REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO. I WANNA SPECIFICALLY, UM, ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF HEIGHT. WHILE THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, REDUCED THE HEIGHT OF HIS REQUEST ON TWO SEPARATE OCCASIONS THE SECOND TIME AT MY REQUEST, UM, THE OPPOSITION HAS CONTINUED TO INSIST ON A 54 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT AND AT THE SAME TIME, SAY THEIR PRO DEVELOPMENT. SAYING THAT THERE'S A 54 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT IS A, IS A HARD REQUIREMENT. IS IS BASICALLY SAYING YOU'RE AGAINST DEVELOPMENT. THAT IT'S NOT A REALISTIC HEIGHT LIMIT IN THIS, UH, IN THIS INSTANCE, IN MY OPINION, UM, DENYING CHANGE IN ORDER TO KEEP THINGS THE WAY THEY'VE BEEN FOR DECADES IS NOT SOMETHING I CAN SUPPORT. CHANGE IS DIFFICULT, BUT IT'S INEVITABLE. IF OUR CITY CAN'T ALLOW QUALITY REDEVELOPMENT THAT ADDRESSES THE NEEDS OF TODAY INSTEAD OF THE 1950S, THEN WE ARE ON A PATH TO DECLINE. OUR QUALITY OF LIFE WILL DECLINE AND THE ECONOMIC VITALITY OF OUR CITY WILL DECLINE. ALL OF US, EVERY ONE OF US HERE WANT OUR POTHOLES FIXED AND WE WANT MORE POLICE OFFICERS ON THE STREETS. WE WANT OUR LIBRARIES TO REMAIN OPEN. WE HAVE TO CONNECT THE DOTS ON THESE ISSUES. TRANSPORTATION, PUBLIC SAFETY, LIBRARIES AND PARKS DEPEND ON STRONG ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. ON THE TOPIC, ON THE TOPIC OF CHANGE, I THINK IT'S IRONIC THAT THE RESIDENTS OF PRESTON HOLLOW HAVE EMBRACED AND ENJOYED THE BENEFIT OF CHANGE FOR THE PAST 10 OR 20 YEARS. NEW HOMES THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT ARE THREE OR FOUR TIMES LARGER THAN THE ORIGINAL HOMES. IN TWICE AS TALL, UH, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BUILD ACCORDING TO TODAY'S NEEDS, AND HAVE BEEN ABLE TO INCREASE THE VALUE OF THEIR LAND AND THEIR NEIGHBOR'S LAND. BY ADDING DENSITY, IT SEEMS INCONSISTENT TO DENY THAT OPPORTUNITY OF CHANGE AND REDEVELOPMENT TO THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IN THAT SAME NEIGHBORHOOD. I HOPE MY COLLEAGUES ON THE COMMISSION WILL JOIN ME IN SUPPORTING COMMISSIONER HALL'S MOTION. LET'S REBUILD FOR THE FUTURE, NOT THE PAST. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, I THINK I SAW YOUR HAND. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. A NUMBER OF OUR SPEAKERS HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT PREDICTABILITY, AND I THINK THAT APPLIES BOTH FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS FOR [06:20:01] DEVELOPERS IN THINKING ABOUT NEW PROJECTS. AND I'VE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFICULTY RECONCILING THIS REQUEST. I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE NOTED THAT A SIGNIFICANT PART OF OUR DISCUSSION AROUND FORWARD DALLAS WAS ENCOURAGING DENSITY ALONG COMMUNITY CORRIDORS. THIS IS THAT LOCATION. AND IF WE TAKE THAT APPROACH, THEN WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE PUT THAT INTO CONTEXT. AND THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD ATTRIBUTES WITH THIS PROJECT THAT WE REGULARLY ADVOCATE FOR. IT'S ADDRESSING THE PUBLIC REALM. THERE'S CONSIDERATIONS OF THE HEIGHT ORGANIZED AROUND THE SITE. MY PRIMARY CONCERN COMES DOWN TO HOW IT FITS WITHIN THE OVERALL FRAMEWORK FOR DEVELOPMENT WITHIN OUR CITY. NOT EVERYWHERE IS APPROPRIATE FOR 240 FEET. THAT IS WHAT I'VE COME TO IN THINKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT. BUT I DON'T AGREE THAT THAT MEANS THAT EXISTING CR AT 54 FEET IS CORRECT EITHER. THIS PROJECT IS A THOUGHTFUL PROJECT AND THE APPLICANT SAID THAT, AND I AGREE WITH THEM, BUT I ALSO DON'T AGREE THAT A THOUGHTFUL DEVELOPMENT REQUIRES 185 OR 240 FEET. AND THAT IS WHERE THE TENSION. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD VERY CLEARLY FROM EVERYONE WHO HAS SPOKEN IN OPPOSITION. I WANNA BE CLEAR THOUGH, IF THIS WAS IN 160 TO 180 FOOT HEIGHT, I WOULD PROBABLY BE IN SUPPORT OF IT. I THINK I'VE ALSO HEARD SOME OF THOSE IN OPPOSITION SUGGEST THAT MAYBE THAT'S ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THEY ARE. I THINK I'VE HEARD OTHER COMMISSIONERS SAY THAT PERHAPS THERE WOULD BE AN ABILITY TO HAVE FOLKS GO BACK TO THE TABLE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WORTHWHILE OR NOT. I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER HALL, AND I KNOW HIM, HE WORKS TO FIND SOLUTIONS. AND SO IT MAY BE THAT THE TIME FOR THAT DISCUSSION HAS PASSED. I WILL SAY THAT THE BENEFIT OF THIS GREATER HEIGHT LEADS TO UNDERGROUND PARKING. IT LEADS TO THE LANDSCAPING THAT IS IN THIS PLAN. A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE ADVOCATING FOR ARE A RESULT OF THIS HEIGHT. BUT I CAN THINK BACK TO SOME OF OUR DENSE AREAS OF TOWN THAT DID NOT START WITH UNDERGROUND PARKING BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH UNDERGROUND PARKING AND THE LOWER HEIGHTS. THERE IS A CORRELATION BETWEEN THOSE. AND SO AT SOME POINT IT COMES DOWN TO THE TYPE OF PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO SUPPORT AND ADVOCATE FOR. I WILL SAY ON BALANCE, I DO NOT THINK I'VE GOTTEN TO SUPPORT, BUT IT IS NOT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS A THOUGHTFUL PROJECT. I SIMPLY DON'T FIND IT TO BE WHERE I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD LAND WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING DENSITY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SIMS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UH, I WILL NOT REPEAT THE POINTS THAT COMMISSIONER KINGSTON COMMISSIONER, UH, HOUSEWRIGHT MADE. I THINK THEY MADE A NUMBER OF VERY GOOD POINTS. UM, I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A RESIDENT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, A LONG TIME RESIDENCE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ONE CONSTANT HAS THE ONLY CONSTANT, IN FACT HAS BEEN CHANGE AS, UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSE WRIGHT SAID. AND SO THE QUESTION BEFORE US TODAY IS WHAT SORT OF CHANGE WILL WE ALLOW? BECAUSE WE ARE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION. AND I THINK THAT THAT REQUIRES THAT. WE THINK ABOUT WHERE SHOULD DALLAS GO? AND IF WE THINK ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR STRETCH OF DALLAS, THIS PARTICULAR STRETCH OF PRESTON ROAD AT PRESTON NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, THERE IS ROBUST DENSE DEVELOPMENT WITH A NUMBER OF TOWERS AS YOU GO NORTH UP PRESTON ROAD, IF PLANS ARE TO BE BELIEVED WHEN YOU GET TO LBJ FREEWAY, THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ARENA AND AN ENTIRE COMPLEX. SO I THINK THE QUESTION REALLY BEFORE THIS COMMISSION RIGHT NOW IS WHAT DOES THAT STRETCH LOOK LIKE 20, 30 YEARS IN THE FUTURE? AND I THINK FOR, FOR MY PERSPECTIVE, WE CANNOT OUT SUBURB THE SUBURBS, RIGHT? WE DO NOT HAVE THE LAND. WE DO NOT HAVE THE SPACE TO PUT IN MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON CUL-DE-SACS WITH STRIP CENTERS NEARBY. SO I BELIEVE THAT OUR PLAN SHOULD BE TO CREATE A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY FOR VARIED USES, VARIED HOUSING ALONG STRETCHES THAT CAN HANDLE IT. AND I THINK AS WE THINK ABOUT THIS STRETCH, I KNOW THE TRAFFIC WELL, I MEAN, I LIVE IN IT. UM, WHATEVER IS BUILT ON THAT SITE WILL CAUSE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC. AND I BELIEVE IF WE LOOK AT THE SB EIGHT 40 ENTITLEMENTS THAT A LARGE FIVE STORY STICKS BUILT APARTMENT HOUSE WILL CAUSE MUCH MORE TRAFFIC THAN THIS WILL. SO I THINK THE QUESTION HERE IS, IS WILL WE PLAN FOR THE FUTURE? AND [06:25:01] I BELIEVE WE SHOULD. AND THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT THE MOTION COMMISSIONER SERATO. UM, I I REALLY APPRECIATE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR A LOT OF YOUR INSIGHT AND EXPERTISE, UM, WHICH I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE IN, UM, IN SOME OF THESE AREAS OF ARCHITECTURE. AND, UM, SO I, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, UM, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, YOU HAVE REALLY, UM, COMPELLING ARGUMENTS AND I THINK I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THEM. UM, AND EVEN WITH COMMISSIONER SIM SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHERE SHOULD DALLAS GO? UM, WHERE I STRUGGLE IS, UM, I, I'VE MENTIONED THE HEIGHT, UM, AND THE COMMUNITY. I THINK I'VE HEARD SEVERAL PEOPLE SAY, OH, WELL, JUST 'CAUSE THEY'RE THE LOUDEST DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE THE, YOU KNOW, THE OVERWHELMING VOICE. BUT I, I THINK IT HAS BEEN AN OVERWHELMING VOICE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THE RESIDENTS SURROUNDING THIS PROPERTY ARE UNHAPPY WITH IT. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, I DO THINK ABOUT WHERE SHOULD DALLAS GO? BUT WE SHOULDN'T GO WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF RESIDENTS. AND I LARGELY TOOK THIS ROLE, UM, WITH THE CPC BECAUSE I WANTED TO BE A VOICE FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND SO I REALLY STRUGGLE WITH THAT PIECE SEEING, UM, SO MANY UNHAPPY RESIDENTS WITH THIS PROJECT. SO I, I HOPE THERE COULD BE, UM, SOME BETTER CONVERSATIONS. I'VE HEARD PEOPLE BOO AND WE SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WASN'T CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN THEM AND THE DEVELOPERS. SO I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE BACKSTORY THERE IS WITH ALL OF THAT, BUT I, I, I HOPE THAT THERE COULD BE A BETTER CONVERSATION, UH, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE, THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE TODAY. SO I, I, I'VE FOUND MYSELF LEANING IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS TODAY 'CAUSE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ARE SO WELL VERSED IN ALL OF THIS, UM, AND REALLY COMPELLING IN THEIR ARGUMENTS. BUT I, I CAN'T IGNORE WHAT SO MANY OF THE RESIDENTS ARE SAYING. SO, UM, I, I DON'T THINK I CAN SUPPORT TODAY, COMMISSIONER HALL. BUT, UM, I DO APPRECIATE ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS LISTENING AND, AND THE, THE COMMUNITY BEING HERE TODAY. COMMISSIONER KAUFMAN. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, I'M A, I'M A FAIRLY NEWBIE ON THIS GROUP, BUT I'M NOT A NEWBIE TO THE ZONING PROCESSES AND THE DIFFICULTIES THAT COMMUNITIES FACE. SO I GUESS YOU COULD CALL ME, UH, KIND OF A COMMUNITY COMMUNITY ADVOCATE. AND, UH, AND, AND I'VE BEEN IN SOME REALLY STRONG DIFFICULT ZONING CASES IN ON IN MANY WAYS. WHAT I DON'T SEE AND HAS REALLY DISCOURAGED ME SINCE I'VE COME ON HERE IN THIS LAST YEAR, IS THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH EFFORT IN SOME DISTRICTS TO, UH, LISTEN TO THE NEIGHBORS AND UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WANT AND WHAT WE DON'T WANT. NOW, THE, THE APPLICANT SWEARS HE HAD 22 MEETINGS AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE SHOW UP. WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I'VE ONLY BEEN TO THREE MEETINGS AND I'VE BEEN INVITED TO EVERY ONE OF THEM. UNLESS YOU HAD SOMEBODY TO KNOW ABOUT. I DIDN'T SEE DISRESPECTFUL PEOPLE AT THOSE MEETINGS. AND, UH, AND I THINK THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WHEN SOMEBODY TALKS TO 'EM, WELL, Y'ALL ARE JUST CRAZY. YOU JUST DON'T WANT ANY DEVELOPMENT. YOU JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. WELL, YOU HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND EVERYBODY LISTEN IN ORDER TO KNOW WHAT WE ALL TALK ABOUT. AND, AND I'VE LISTENED TO Y'ALL MANY TIMES FOR MANY HOURS. I'VE LISTENED TO THE GUYS THAT ARE TRYING TO HELP YOU. WE GET THERE, BUT YOU CAN'T IGNORE THE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF LETTERS THAT ALL OF YOU HAVE SENT TO EVERY ONE OF THESE COMMISSIONERS. AND IN THOSE LETTERS, AND I'VE READ ALL OF THEM, Y'ALL WEREN'T DISRESPECTFUL. YOU WEREN'T SAYING IT'S MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY. IT'S 54 FEET OR KNOWN. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING. WE'VE SAID, WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU AND WE WANNA HAVE A SAY IN THIS THING. UH, LELAND WENT AND MADE CHANGES ON HIS HEIGHTS, CALLED INTO THE NEWSPAPER. OH, I'VE DONE THIS GREAT THING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'VE CUT THESE STORIES. I'M DOING A GREAT THING. I'M JUST, I'M DOING REALLY GOOD. BUT DID HE TALK TO YOU BEFORE HE DID IT? DID HE NOTIFY YOU THAT HE WAS GONNA DO IT? DID HE ACT LIKE YOU'RE A, A PARTNER IN THIS NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT BELONGS TO YOU? HOW ABOUT WHEN HE GOES DOWN TO THE, UH, ZONING CASES AND KEEPS A GIRLS' SCHOOL FROM GETTING LIGHTS AROUND THEIR BALL FIELD BECAUSE IT DISRUPTS HIS NEIGHBORHOOD FAMILY ALIVE? COMMISSIONER? SO KAUFMAN, I NEED YOU TO KEEP YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS CASE. OKAY, WELL, IT IS ON, IT IS ON THE APPLICANT. BUT ANYWAY, I APOLOGIZE. UH, I ALSO KNOW THAT, UM, AS MANY TIMES AS WE'VE, UH, FOUGHT ZONING CASES IN NORTH DALLAS, WE ALWAYS GET THIS, UH, ATTITUDE THAT, WELL, THEY REALLY DON'T, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOUSING. WE'RE NOT GETTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING OUTTA THIS. WE'RE GETTING LUXURY HOUSING. SO WHEN YOU KEEP TRYING TO BLAME US FOR EVERYTHING UP THERE, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO START LISTENING TO US. AND IT ALL COMES DOWN TO VOTING. YOU GOTTA GET OUT AND START VOTING FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY LISTENING TO YOU AND TRY TO HELP MAKE CHANGES IN THIS CITY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER COX. [06:30:03] THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I, I CAN'T HELP BUT AGREE WITH ALMOST ALL THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BY MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. AND, AND I WANNA MAKE ONE THING CLEAR. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT PER SE. I AM OPPOSED TO THE HEIGHT. I THINK IT'S OBSCENE, QUITE FRANKLY, TO GO THAT HIGH RIGHT NEXT TO A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND, AND I, I, I'M DISAPPOINTED, I GUESS THAT I THREW OUT THE, THE, THE AMENDED MOTION OR A MOTION TO AMEND, HOPING THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME COMPROMISE OFFERED UP BY THIS BODY. AND I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. SEVERAL OF YOU HAVE INDICATED, AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS TO CHI ANYBODY, I'M SIMPLY POINTING OUT PERHAPS FOR FUTURE REFERENCE, THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF, OF WORKING TOGETHER TO, TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES RATHER THAN DRAWING A LINE IN THE SAND LIKE I THINK MANY OF YOU HAVE AND PROBABLY DID WEEKS AND IF NOT MONTHS AGO WHEN THIS PROJECT FIRST CAME ABOUT. UM, AGAIN, I THINK THE PROJECT IS FINE. AND MR. BURKE, I HOPE IT'S SUCCESSFUL. I REALLY DO, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS TO HAVE DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS. BUT I THINK AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. THEY ARE THE LIFEBLOOD OF THIS CITY. AND FRANKLY, YOU'RE A SMART MAN, AND I'M SURE YOU KNOW THIS. COMMISSIONER COX, MR. DEVELOPMENTS ARE NOT SUCCESSFUL. COMMISSIONER COX, THE NEIGHBORS ARE NOT SUPPORTING COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER COX, I NEED YOU TO DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO ME AS THE CHAIR, NOT TO ANY MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE, THANK YOU. BUT THESE, THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE NOT SUCCESSFUL IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORTING THEM. SO I THINK THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. I'LL, I'LL SAY NO MORE. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER KTZ? YEAH, I WANT TO, I, I DO WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THE, AND APPRECIATE THE NEIGHBORS WHO'VE COME OUT, UM, AND SPOKEN. I I THINK THE CONCERNS HAVE BEEN TAKEN SERIOUSLY, UM, BY ALL OF US AND THE APPLICANT. UM, I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT PRESTON HOLLOW SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS ARE UNIQUE AND A ESSENTIAL PART OF DALLAS, UH, SHOULD BE RESPECTED AND PROTECTED. UM, I ALSO BELIEVE THE NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE SPOKEN IN OPPOSITION HAVE HAD A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE PROPOSAL, UM, AND, UH, IN MY OPINION, CLEAR THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS LISTENED, UH, AND RESPONDED. UM, FOR, FOR ME, THE QUESTION SHOULD NEVER SIMPLY BE WHETHER DENSITY OR HEIGHT, UH, IS BAD OR GOOD. UH, THE, THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THIS IS THE RIGHT DEVELOPMENT IN THE RIGHT LOCATION WITH THE RIGHT CONDITIONS. UM, THIS IS NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF A QUIET RESIDENTIAL BLOCK. UM, IT IS A LARGE COMMERCIAL PARCEL AT THE INTERSECTION OF TWO PRINCIPAL ARTERIALS WITHIN A BLOCK FROM THE TOLLWAY. UM, I I JUST WANT TO BRIEFLY, UH, RESPOND TO THE, THE COMMENT FROM THE GENTLEMAN WHO MENTIONED JANE JACOBS. IT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION. UH, IS THAT BETTER? YES. THANK YOU. UH, YEAH, I WANNA QUICKLY RESPOND TO THE COMMENT FROM THE GENTLEMAN WHO MENTIONED JANE JACOBS. IT'S, IT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION AS TO HOW SHE WOULD EVALUATE THIS PROJECT. UH, AND I'D BE GRATEFUL TO BUY THAT GENTLEMAN A COFFEE TO HAVE A MORE ROBUST CONVERSATION. OKAY, GREAT. UM, JACOBS WAS CONCERNED WITH SINGLE PURPOSE, UH, INVESTMENTS THAT RAISE, YOU KNOW, A FINE-GRAINED FABRIC OF A NEIGHBORHOOD AND REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING THAT CAN'T EVOLVE OVER TIME. YOU KNOW, HER CONCERN WAS WITH PROJECTS THAT ELIMINATE DIVERSITY OF USES. UM, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THIS PROJECT DOES THAT. I BELIEVE SHE WOULD SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. UM, SHE'S WRITTEN THAT HEIGHT ITSELF DOES NOT HARM AN ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD. POOR DESIGN CAN, BAD TRANSITIONS, CAN POOR TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT CAN, UH, A WEAK PUBLIC REALM CAN, UH, BUT WELL-PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AT THE RIGHT EDGE CAN STRENGTHEN A CITY AND PRESERVE STABLE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. AND FOR, FOR THAT REASON, UH, I'M SUPPORTING, UH, THE MOTION. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHEELER. THEN I'LL GO TO YOU. VICE CHAIR. DID WE LOSE YOU? COMMISSIONER WHEELER? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER OR VICE CHAIR HERBERT. OKAY. AND I'LL BE QUICK. UM, THIS, THIS SECTION OF THE CITY WAS A MAJOR PART OF MY LIFE WHEN I CAME HERE AFTER KATRINA. TRAVELING THROUGH THE TRAFFIC WAS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE CITY OF NEW ORLEANS. I WILL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. UM, AND A LOT OF THAT AREA, UM, STARTED MY RESEARCH ON THE CITY. UM, SO I'M AWARE OF THE HISTORY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M AWARE OF THE MANY ORDINANCES AND DEED RESTRICTIONS AND COVENANTS THAT KEPT PEOPLE OF COLOR OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. [06:35:01] UM, I'VE SEEN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD GROW AFTER THE HURRICANE. I MEAN, AFTER THE TORNADO, I'VE HAD FAMILY MEMBERS AND FRIENDS WHO LIVED IN THE APARTMENTS THAT SURROUND YOUR AREA, THAT WERE ALSO HIT BY THAT TORNADO AND ARE STILL STRUGGLING TO REBUILD THEIR LIVES. UM, SO I I, I GET IT. I, I UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF IT. AND THAT HISTORY TO ME IS, IS, IS HAS OUTGROWN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOUR COMMUNITY. UM, WHAT, WHAT I SEE AS THE OVERALL LOOK AT THE CITY IS I'M FROM THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE CITY. I'M FROM THE SOUTHERN SECTOR, THE CITY, OUR FIGHT IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN YOUR FIGHT. WE WILL HONOR ANY DEVELOPMENT LIKE MR. BURKE HAS IN ANY ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS TOMORROW. UM, BUT MY FEAR IS THAT THE SOUTHERN SECTOR IS NOW BECOMING SOUTH OF 6 35. AND I SAY THAT TO SAY THE NORTHERN SUBURBS ARE TAKING OVER. THEY'RE TAKING OUR INCOMES, THEY'RE TAKING OUR DOLLARS, THEY'RE TAKING OUR JOBS. UM, THEY'RE TAKING OUR CHILDREN, RIGHT? THINK ABOUT THAT AS YOU OPPOSE DEVELOPMENTS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS. THINK ABOUT THE LUXURY DEVELOPMENTS THAT YOUR KIDS WANT TO LIVE IN AND ARE MOVING TO FLORIDA AND CALIFORNIA TO INDULGE IN. UM, I'M NOT SAYING GIVE UP ON YOUR HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, I'M NOT SAYING ANY OF THAT, RIGHT? BUT THINK ABOUT THOSE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT IN THIS CITY. THE INNER CITY OF CITY, PRESTON HOLLOW IS NO LONGER A SUBURB. YOU ARE THE CITY OF DALLAS. UM, YOU MAY NOT LOOK AT YOURSELF LIKE THAT, BUT THE ENTIRE CITY LOOKS AT YOU AS OURS, AS US, AND NOT A SUBURBIAL LIFESTYLE. UM, AND AS THAT CONTINUES TO GROW, UM, I THINK YOU SHALL SHOULD BE PREPARED. SO, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHEELER, ARE YOU BACK ONLINE? OKAY. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER GILBERT, GILBERT SMITH. I'VE ONLY LIVED IN THIS CITY FOR, UH, 48 YEARS. UM, MY HUSBAND AND I MOVED DOWN HERE, UM, 48 YEARS AGO, AND THE CITY HAS CHANGED DRASTICALLY. I WAS AN ADULT. I WASN'T A CHILD WHEN I MOVED HERE, SO I LEARNED THE CITY AND I LEARNED EACH NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOTHING IS THE SAME. GROWTH IS NECESSARY FOR DALLAS TO SURVIVE. YES, I WOULD NOT LIKE A TALL BUILDING LOOKING INTO MY BACKYARD, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. IT'S NOT LOOKING INTO YOUR BACKYARD. ALRIGHT FOLKS. COMMISSIONER GILBERT SMITH HAS THE FLOOR. WE ARE THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. PLEASE, THE MINIMIZE YOUR OUTPUT, THE SPACE, THE SPACE IS REASONABLE. YES, IT'S NOT THE BEST, BUT IT IS REASONABLE AND YOU WILL BENEFIT FROM THE FINANCIAL GROWTH IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT MAY BE PAINFUL IN THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE, BUT IN THE LONG RA LONG TERM YOU WILL BENEFIT. MR. CHAIR. UH, WE STILL HAVE OUR FIRST ROUND. DOES ANYONE ELSE WANNA SPEAK IN THE FIRST ROUND BEFORE WE GO TO A SECOND ROUND? UM, I'M JUST GONNA MAKE A FEW COMMENTS AS WELL. UM, I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION COMMISSIONER HALL. UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS CASE, UM, AS WELL AS STAFF. MR. BATE, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A REALLY WONDERFUL JOB. UM, I DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE PRE PRESERVE PRESTON HOLLOW FOLKS EARLIER THIS YEAR, AND I THINK IT WAS ACTUALLY THE, I MET WITH THEM BEFORE I MET WITH, UM, THE APPLICANT ON THIS CASE. AND WE HAD A REALLY GOOD MEETING AT AN OFFICE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE SITE. AND THAT LITTLE STRIP BETWEEN ORCHID LANE AND THE, THE SITE WHERE, UM, WHERE THE PROPOSED, WHERE THE ZONING CASE IS, AND THE MEMBERS OF THE PRESERVE HESTON POLL THAT I GROUP THAT I MET WITH, MADE SOME GOOD POINTS IN THAT MEETING, UH, PARTICULARLY AT THE HEIGHT. AND I HAD A MEETING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM ABOUT A WEEK LATER WHERE I SHARED MY THOUGHTS THAT THE HEIGHT, WHICH WAS 2 9 2 90 OR 2 85 AT THE TIME WAS TOO HIGH. AND I APPRECIATE THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM FOR TAKING MY CONCERNS, TAKING COMMISSIONER HOUSER'S CONCERNS, TAKING CONCERNS [06:40:02] THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW HER VOICED FROM THE COMMUNITY AS WELL IN THE, UH, PLASTIC SIGNS THAT WE SAW, UM, IN THE NORTH DALLAS AREA AND ALL THE EMAILS THAT WE GOT AND MAKING A MEANINGFUL CHANGE TO THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLANS TO STILL ACCOMMODATE A MEANINGFUL DEVELOPMENT, BUT DROPPING IT BY 45, 50 FEET. SO, UM, I, I DO THINK THAT THEY WERE RESPONSIVE HERE. I KNOW PLENTY OF, YOU KNOW, FOLKS IN OPPOSITION ARE STILL UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE HEIGHT, BUT I DO THINK THERE'S BEEN A MEANINGFUL MOVE THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL TO ME IN GETTING COMFORTABLE WITH THIS, THIS CASE. UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I'LL MENTION IS I BROUGHT IT UP IN THE BRIEFING IS, YOU KNOW, WHILE THIS CASE DOESN'T SET ANY PRECEDENT, I DO, YOU KNOW, LOOK TO OTHER THINGS IN THE AREA. AND PROBABLY WHAT WAS THE MOST MEANINGFUL COMPARISON TO ME. I THINK THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN WHO TALKED ABOUT HOW THIS IS GONNA BE THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE CRESCENT, OR THIS IS GONNA BE THE SAME HEIGHT AS SOMETHING IN ANOTHER PART OF THE CITY. BUT AS, AS SOMEONE WHO GREW UP IN NORTH DALLAS, THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN HEIGHT IN MY LIFETIME. AND I'M ALMOST 40 IN NORTH DALLAS. AND IT'S NOT JUST THE PRESTON CENTER DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS A BIG MASS. IT IS THOSE THREE BUILDINGS ALONG NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, THE ATHENA PRESTON TOWER, WHICH I THINK IS TALLER THAN THIS. AND THEN THE NEW APARTMENT BUILDING, WHICH THE NAME OF WHICH I'M NOT AWARE OF, ARE ALL MEANINGFUL HEIGHT DIRECTLY UP AGAINST PRESTON HOLLOW. AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE BUILDINGS WORK AND PRESTON HOLLOW WORKS AND EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, IS COPACETIC IN THAT AREA. I DON'T THINK THOSE BUILDINGS HARM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S A VERY VIBRANT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I WILL EXPECT THE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND THIS TO BE CONTINUED TO CONTINUE TO BE VIBRANT, EVEN IF THIS, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS ULTIMATELY APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND THIS IS BUILT, UM, I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A REAL TRADE OFF BETWEEN HEIGHT AND UNDERGROUND PARKING. YOU GET TREMENDOUS BENEFIT TO THE DEVELOPMENT. UM, IF YOU CAN DO UNDERGROUND PARKING AND YOU DO NEED THE HEIGHT TO JUSTIFY FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, UNDERGROUND PARKING AND THE UNDERGROUND PARKING HERE WENT A LONG WAY TO MAKING ME COMFORTABLE WITH IT. UM, ADDITIONALLY, PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT UP CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS, AND I KNOW THE, UM, YOU KNOW, APPLICANT WANTED TO PUT COMMITMENTS TO TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND IN THEIR PD ORDINANCE. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THE CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY STAFF HAS ADVISED THAT THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT PLACE FOR THEM, EVEN SO THAT'S BEEN ON IN THE PAST. BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT THIS PROJECT WILL GO THROUGH THE APPORTIONMENT AND EXACTION PROCESS, AND THIS DEVELOPMENT, WHENEVER IT'S BUILT OUT, WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS BASED ON THE TRAFFIC THAT IT WILL GENERATE. SO EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T SEE THAT IN THE MOTION TODAY OR IN THE PD ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF US, I AM CONFIDENT THAT THE CITY WILL ULTIMATELY ASK THIS, UH, APPLICANT OR WHOEVER DEVELOPS A SITE FOR A VERY MEANINGFUL CONTRIBUTION TO PUTTING IN LIGHTS AT BOTH ON PRESTON AND ON ROYAL. UM, THE LAST THING THAT I DO WANT TO ADDRESS IS I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE WHO CAME HERE TODAY, WHO HAVE, FOR THE LARGE PART IN OPPOSITION, BEEN VERY CIVIL AND RESPECTFUL AND OFFERED THOUGHTFUL COMMENTS. BUT I DO WANT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE WITNESSED AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD, UM, DURING THE COURSE OF THIS PROCESS. I'M AWARE OF INSTANCES WHERE SPEAKERS AT PUBLIC MEETINGS WHO SUPPORTED THIS PROCESS WERE BOOED AND SHOUTED DOWN, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY UNFORTUNATE. I'M AWARE OF PEOPLE WHO FELT BULLIED INTO SIGNING, UM, PETITIONS OR FILLING OUT CARDS IN OPPOSITION. AND I'M AWARE OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE DECIDED NOT TO SPEAK UP IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THEY'VE SEEN PEOPLE BEING TREATED. SO ALL I WOULD ASK THAT AS THIS CASE PROGRESSES AND AS THERE ARE FUTURE ZONING CASES IN THE FUTURE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE INVOLVED. IT DOES NOT STRENGTHEN YOUR OPPOSITION TO A ZONING CASE IF YOU, YOU KNOW, ARE AGGRESSIVE OR RUDE OR, OR TO, TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE VIEWED DIFFERENT THAN YOU. IN FACT, YOUR OPPOSITION IS MUCH STRONGER AND MUCH MORE PERSUASIVE IF YOU LIKE. MOST OF THE PEOPLE HERE ARE TODAY ARE VERY RESPECTFUL, CIVIL, AND THOUGHTFUL. SO MAYBE IT'S JUST A FEW BAD APPLES AT THOSE MEETINGS, AND IT'S A FEW PEOPLE OUT THERE. BUT YOU KNOW, PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THESE ZONING CASES AND, AND OTHER PROCESSES WITH THE CITY, THAT MUTUAL RESPECT AND HOW YOU TREAT OTHER PEOPLE IS SO, SO, SO IMPORTANT. AND YOU GAIN NOTHING BY, YOU KNOW, BY, BY NOT TREATING PEOPLE WITH RESPECT. SO, [06:45:01] I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S RESPECTFUL, YOU KNOW, COMMENTS TODAY AND AS THIS PROCESS GOES FORWARD AND, YOU KNOW, COULD MOVE ON TO CITY COUNCIL, UM, PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND AS YOU ONLY STRENGTHEN YOUR OWN CASE BY TREATING OTHERS WITH RESPECT. UH, SECOND ROUND. COMMISSIONER COX, IF I MIGHT, I, I, I JUST WANNA REITERATE WHAT, UH, CHAIR RUBIN JUST SAID, IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF EMOTION, UH, INVOLVED IN THESE CASES. I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT OF PERSONAL INTEREST AND, AND SKIN IN THE GAME, SO TO SPEAK, BUT YOU REALLY DON'T DO YOURSELVES ANY FAVORS, UH, BY SPEAKING OUT OR, OR APPLAUDING CONTINUOUSLY THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. AND I'M NOT CRITICIZING YOU, I'M NOT CHARTING YOU. I KNOW THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE VERY, UM, IN INVESTED, IF YOU WILL, IN THIS PROCESS. BUT, BUT I AGREE WITH CHAIR RUBEN GOING FORWARD. IF YOU SIT IN THOSE SAME SEATS, AND HOPEFULLY YOU WILL, HOPEFULLY YOU'LL FILL THIS ROOM, UH, WHEN THIS GOES BEFORE THE COUNCIL. UM, YOU NEED TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT, THAT, THAT IS RESPECTFUL AND, AND CONSTRUCTIVE. I JUST CLOSE BY SAYING I, I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING, UH, THAT YOU HAVE DONE AS RESIDENTS THAT YOUR, YOUR PPH LEADERSHIP HAVE DONE. UH, I'VE ATTENDED A NUMBER OF MEETINGS, COMMUNITY MEETINGS, UH, ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS, UH, WITH SOME OF YOU. AND, AND QUITE FRANKLY, I, I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH COMMENTS, UH, THAT PEOPLE WERE, WERE BOOED NECESSARILY. I, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF SITUATIONS LIKE THAT, BUT MOST OF THE MEETINGS THAT I ATTENDED, UH, WERE WERE VERY, UM, UH, ORDERLY. THEY WERE VERY CONSTRUCTIVE. UH, I THINK PEOPLE WERE, WERE POLITE. UM, BUT AGAIN, I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT GOING FORWARD TO, UH, TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON'T LET THE EMOTIONS GET THE, UH, GET THE BEST OF YOU. AND AGAIN, I, I JUST CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR EVERYTHING THAT, THAT YOU'VE INVESTED IN THIS. THE LAST THING I'LL, I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH IS REMEMBER, AND I KNOW IT'S SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN, ELECTIONS HAVE COMMISSIONER COX, COMMISSIONER COX, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING CASE. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT FUTURE ELECTIONS HERE. JUST KEEP YOUR COMMENTS ON THE ZONING CASE, PLEASE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN? UH, JUST REAL QUICKLY, AS I'VE SAT AND I'VE LISTENED, OBSERVED, UM, THIS IS A TOUGH ONE, BUT I'M, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT, UH, COMMISSIONER HALL'S MOTION. UH, I, I KNOW HIM WELL. I KNOW HE'S WORKED A HARD ON THIS AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY. UM, THIS IS A PROCESS AND IT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY. IT'S NOT ALWAYS FUN. UM, BUT EVERYBODY PLAYS A PART IN THIS PROCESS, AND THIS IS ONLY ANOTHER STEP IN THIS PROCESS. WE'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN IT GOES TO THE NEXT LEVEL. AND I REALLY HOPE THAT IN BETWEEN THERE CAN BE SOME MEANINGFUL CONVERSATIONS ON THE HEIGHT ISSUE FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN AS A PART OF THE CONVERSATION. THAT'S THE PRIMARY CONCERN. UH, THE DEVELOPER, WELL, IT'S A GOOD FAITH OR NOT, HAS COME DOWN ON WHAT THE INITIAL PLAN WAS GOING TO BE IN TERMS OF HEIGHT. I HAVE NOT HEARD IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND FROM, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, 54 FEET AND, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU, WHERE YOU'RE STUCK AT, I CAN'T, I IMAGINE A SCENARIO WHERE THAT COULD BE A VIABLE, UH, UH, POSITION. SO I, I JUST HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, AFTER WE GET THROUGH WITH THIS PART OF THIS PROCESS, THAT YOU ALL STILL KEEP THE CONVERSATION AND COMMUNICATE. MAYBE THERE'S A HAPPY MEDIUM SOMEWHERE, UH, IN BETWEEN. UH, BUT I, I, I DO APPRECIATE, UH, THE FIGHT THAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS HAD. UM, I CAN TELL FROM THE CONVERSATION AND THE PASSION THAT YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU LIVE IN, BUT THIS IS ALL A BALANCE. UH, THE CITY HAS TO GROW AND WE STILL WANT TO CONSERVE IN THE CULTURE, IN THE COMMUNITY FIELD. AND IT'S NOT ALWAYS GONNA BE PERFECT, BUT WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD. WE HAVE TO GROW. IF WE'RE NOT GROWING, WE'RE DECLINING. SO I DO WANNA THANK YOU ALL FOR SPENDING THE LAST, SOME OF YOU ALL FOR THE LAST, YOU KNOW, EIGHT HOURS. IT'S BEEN A HOPEFUL WORK DAY, BUT I, I THINK IT'S BEEN WORTHY CONVERSATION AND KNOW NOT EVERYBODY THAT WALKS AWAY HAPPY THROUGH THIS PROCESS, BUT JUST KNOW THAT YOU'RE, YOUR FEEDBACK IN YOUR, IN YOUR PUSH, UH, WAS WORTHY AND, AND FELT. MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER KAUFMAN? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I FAILED TO ACKNOWLEDGE AGAIN, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO A LITTLE [06:50:01] MORE ENTHUSIASTICALLY IS, UH, I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU BEING HERE TODAY. I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A, A LONG, LONG PROCESS, BUT THE PROCESS IS NOT OVER. WE HAVE, UH, ANOTHER PROCESS WHERE GO, WE GO BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL AND TRUST ME, THOSE PEOPLE CARE ABOUT WHETHER YOU VOTE FOR OR NOT. AND COMMISSIONER, LOTS OF CASES, COMMISSIONER KAUFMAN, WE'RE JUST SO SPEAKING ABOUT THE ZONING CASE. THAT'S ALL WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT. OKAY? SO ANYWAY, AFTER THIS EXPERIENCE, I SURE YOU WILL DO THINGS BETTER IN THE FUTURE. JACK AND I ARE PUSH OR, UH, ROOTING FOR YOU. I'VE LIVED IN DISTRICT 11 FOR 55 YEARS, SO MY KIDS HAVE GROWN UP THERE. MY HUSBAND AND I STILL LIVE THERE. I GOT FABULOUS GRANDKIDS, WHICH YOU SAW ONE EARLIER, DIDN'T YOU? EXCUSE ME? DIDN'T HE DO A GOOD JOB? HE DID A GREAT JOB. UM, BUT I DON'T WANT YOU TO GIVE UP THE FIGHT. I WANT YOU TO, UH, GET TOGETHER, FIGURE OUT WHAT ELSE YOU CAN DO AND HOW YOU'RE GONNA GO ABOUT IT. THERE'S LOTS OF REMEDIES OUT THERE FOR YOU OTHER THAN, UH, THIS HEARING TODAY. BUT, UH, WE'LL COME UP. YOU CAN COME UP WITH SOME NEW WAYS OF DOING THINGS AND HOW YOU'RE GONNA GET MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED WITH YOU, BUT THE FIGHT IS NOT OVER. AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU THAT SHOWED UP TODAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, CARPENTER? I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. YOU KNOW, I, I PERSONALLY HAVE SPENT MANY, MANY, MANY HOURS ON THIS CASE. I MET WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE COMMUNITY VERY EARLY ON, AND I GAVE THEM MY BEST ADVICE, WHICH WAS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, NEGOTIATE AS YOU KNOW, EARLY IN THE PROCESS AS YOU CAN TO, YOU KNOW, COMPROMISE. AND THAT, UM, ADVICE WASN'T, UM, VERY WELL RECEIVED. IN FACT, I SAW LATER EMAILS THAT EXPRESSED SOME IGNATION THAT COMMISSIONERS HAD ASKED THEM TO COMPROMISE. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE ON THIS COMMISSION ARE VERY WELL AWARE OF WHAT OUR, MORE OR LESS OUR MARCHING ORDERS ARE, WHICH IS TO FIND PLACES IN THE CITY FOR MORE DENSITY. AND THE MESSAGE FROM FORWARD DALLAS 2.0 WAS TO KEEP IT OUT OF THE INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORHOODS. AND THE PLACE TO PUT IT WAS AT, YOU KNOW, INTERSECTIONS AND COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT HERE. UM, I, I PERSONALLY SPENT A LOT OF HOURS WITH THE APPLICANT TEAM GOING THROUGH THE, THE PD, AND I FOUND THEM WILLING TO MAKE, UM, FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES AND, UH, ISSUES THAT WERE IMPORTANT TO ME. YOU KNOW, THE HEIGHT CAME DOWN, THEY COMMITTED TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CONTIGUOUS OPEN SPACE, YOU KNOW, THE LANDSCAPING, THE, UM, INCREASING THE GROUND FLOOR ACTIVATION THROUGHOUT THE, THE, UM, THE PROJECT AND THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING BONUS. SO, I MEAN, MY ADVICE, MY TAKE, MY ADVICE I HOPE YOU TAKE AWAY IS ANYTIME YOU HAVE TO NEGOTIATE ONE OF THE, ANYTIME YOU HAVE A, A, A ZONING CASE IN YOUR AREA THAT YOU ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT, GET INVOLVED AS EARLY AS YOU CAN AND, AND PLEASE LOOK AT MEANINGFUL, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU CAN NEGOTIATE. IT'S LIKE HERE, I, I HEAR PEOPLE SAY THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYONE OFFER EVEN A FOOT OVER 54 FEET. IT JUST ISN'T A WINNING STRATEGY TO TELL A DEVELOPER THAT YOU'RE ONLY GONNA SUPPORT WHAT THEY'RE ENTITLED TO DO BY RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUE UH, DISCUSSION? OKAY, LET'S TAKE A RECORD VOTE. DISTRICT ONE? YES. DISTRICT TWO? NO. DISTRICT THREE? YES. DISTRICT FOUR? YES. DISTRICT FIVE? NO. DISTRICT SIX? YES. DISTRICT SEVEN. DISTRICT EIGHT? YES. DISTRICT NINE? YES. DISTRICT 10? YES. DISTRICT 11? NO. DISTRICT 12? NO. DISTRICT 13, DISTRICT 14? YES. AND PLACE 15? YES. THE MOTION CARRIES. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER BUSINESS THIS EVENING? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. IT IS 6:27 PM AND THAT CONCLUDES THE MEETING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION. THANK. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.