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          [Call to Order]
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          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY. 
          IT'S SEPTEMBER 1ST. 
          THE TIME IS ONE 13, AND I'M CALLING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE MEETING TO ORDER. 
          FIRST ORDER 
          [MINUTES]
OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, MOVE APPROVAL. 
          SECOND, THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ANY CORRECTIONS EDITS? SEEING NONE. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE'VE GOT A PACKED AGENDA TODAY, AND SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE SOME THINGS OUT OF ORDER. 
          [BRIEFING MEMOS (Part 1 of 2)]
OUR FIRST ITEM IS GOING TO BE, UM, ITEM D, AND SO WE CAN HAVE, UH, OUR REPRESENTATIVE COME FORWARD. 
          AND SO THIS ITEM IS THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATES IN RESPONSE TO THE 2026 DALLAS ISD BOND PROGRAM. 
          AND WE HAVE EMILY AND, UH, DISD. 
          UH, SO EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MEMO. 
          UH, IT IS IN FRONT OF US. 
          UH, EMILY, UH, IF WE CAN MAYBE JUST DO A QUICK RUNDOWN OF WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY AND, UH, SOME OF THE PROPOSALS. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          EMILY LEO, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR MORENO AND MEMBERS OF, UH, THE COMMITTEE. 
          UH, THIS MEMO IS TALKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL SCHOOL, UH, ZONING REVIEW, UH, DIFFERENT PROCESS, UM, TRYING TO GET SOME FEEDBACK. 
          THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THIS MEMO, TO GET FEEDBACK FROM YOU. 
          SO CURRENTLY, UH, THE DALLAS ZONING CODE REQUIRES THE SCHOOL, ANY SCHOOL PROJECT IN RESIDENTIAL HAD TO GO THROUGH EITHER SUP OR THEY HAVE TO REZONE TO A PD. 
          UM, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING VERY TYPICAL COMPARED TO OTHER SCHOOL, UH, DISTRICT ACROSS THE COUNTRY, OR EVEN SAY FORWARDS. 
          LOCALLY, UH, WITH THE CURRENT SIX BILLING BOND PROJECT, THEY HAVE DOZENS OF NEW SCHOOL COMING ON ONLINE, AND ALSO MORE THAN, UH, SEVERAL DOZEN, UH, OF THE SCHOOL NEED TO BE REMODELED. 
          IN ADDITION, ALL OF THOSE WORK. 
          UM, SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR A LITTLE BIT. 
          UH, SO THIS IS JUST SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH THE COMMITTEE TO SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION. 
          UH, WHAT IS GONNA HAPPEN IS IT SAYS BY, RIGHT HERE IS PROBABLY GONNA BE THE NEXT LEVEL YOU READ, THE THREE LEVELS OF ZONING REVIEW. 
          ONE IS BY RIGHT PERIOD. 
          THE OTHER EXTREME IS DISCRETION REVIEW. 
          THAT'S YOUR SUVS AND YOUR REZONING CASE. 
          GO ALL THE WAY TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          THERE'S ONE LEVEL IN BETWEEN CALLED PERMITTED WITH STANDARDS, MEANING THEY ARE ONLY ALLOWED OR PERMITTED IF CERTAIN STANDARDS ARE MET. 
          THIS IS MORE LIKELY TO BE, UH, IN THAT CATEGORY INSTEAD OF JUST BY RIDE. 
          SO I'M JUST HERE, UM, TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU AND GET SOME DIRECTION FROM YOU AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, CHAIR RIDLEY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, EMILY, ON THIS IMPORTANT SUBJECT. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT'S MOTIVATING, THIS IS THE $6.2 MILLION BILLION BOND PROPOSITION THAT THE VOTERS PASSED TO BUILD ADDITIONAL OR REFURBISH EXISTING DISD FACILITIES, AND THEIR CONCERN ABOUT THE TIME PERIOD THAT IT TAKES FOR THE CITY IN THE NORMAL COURSE OF BUSINESS TO PROCESS THINGS LIKE ZONING REQUESTS AND SUVS. 
          UM, ON THE ONE HAND, I BELIEVE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ALLOW AN AVENUE FOR RESIDENTS LIVING NEAR SCHOOL OR SCHOOL SITES TO HAVE INPUT ON HOW THOSE SCHOOLS MANAGE TRAFFIC, HOW THEY'RE DESIGNED TO, UM, NOT HAVE TOO GREAT AN IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN WHICH THEY'RE LOCATED. 
          AND I THINK THE SUP PROCESS IS A GOOD ONE IN WHICH TO DO THAT, BECAUSE THAT REQUIRES THEM TO DO, TO TCPS TO MANAGE TRAFFIC, SO IT'S NOT CLOGGING UP THEIR STREETS. 
          ON THE OTHER HAND, I UNDERSTAND THAT ONE OF THE AVENUES THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING TO ASSIST DISD IN THE TURNAROUND PROCESS IS TO HIRE UP TO FOUR NEW PERSONNEL WHO WOULD BE PAID FOR BY DISD, WHO WOULD WORK EXCLUSIVELY ON DISD APPLICATIONS TO FACILITATE THE RAPID TURNAROUND. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? UH, YOU ARE CORRECT ON BOTH SIDES. 
          UH, THE ADDITIONAL STAFF IS SIMPLY HANDLE ADDIT, MOSTLY RELATED TO PERMITTING, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THE ZONING, UH, UH, BY RIGHT, THEY STILL HAVE TO GO TO THE PERMITTING SIDE, AND THEY'RE JUST LIKE GOING TO BE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK, AND THEY HAVE TO IN QUEUE WITH ALL THESE OTHER 
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PERMITTING AS WE ARE VERY BUSY RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, THIS WILL ALLOW THEM TO HAVE DEDICATED STAFF AND VERY GRATEFUL. 
          WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO THE SCHOOL, UH, BUT THAT'S A SEPARATE SUBJECT FROM THIS. 
          REGARDLESS, WE NEED ADDITIONAL STAFF TO BE DEDICATED TO THE SCHOOL, UH, PROJECT. 
          THAT MEANS THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT OR DON'T HAVE TO BE IN LINE, UH, WITH, UH, COMPARED TO OTHER PROJECTS. 
          SO THAT'S GONNA BE HOUSED UNDER THE PERMITTING SECTION, UH, OF OUR DIVISION, I THINK THEY AGREED TO, UH, PERMIT, UH, TO ALLOW FOR FOUR STAFF AND ALSO ADDITIONAL MONEY IN CASE WE NEED, UM, SOME CONSULTANT HELP, THIRD PARTY OR OVERTIME. 
          BUT THE GOAL IS TO GET THEM THROUGH THE SYSTEM QUICKLY. 
          WELL, AND I, I SUPPORT THAT SOLUTION. 
          I THINK IT'S A GREAT SOLUTION FOR A TEMPORARY PROBLEM. 
          UM, IT EVENTUALLY WILL GO AWAY, ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND IT MAY TAKE 10 YEARS TO BUILD OUT ALL OF THESE FACILITIES. 
          AND SO IT DOES PROVIDE SOME LONGER TERM SECURITY FOR THE EMPLOYEES. 
          THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE NEEDED FOR A WHILE, UH, BUT IT DOESN'T ADD TO THE CITY'S OVERHEAD. 
          UH, A FINAL NOTE, MR. CHAIR. 
          AND THAT IS THAT I THINK THAT THIS COMMITTEE SHOULD LOOK AT HOW WE TREAT THE DIFFERENT VARIETIES OF SCHOOLS UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          SHOULD WE HAVE DIFFERENT PROVISIONS FOR PUBLIC VERSUS CHARTER VERSUS PRIVATE SCHOOLS? I THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE WORTH LOOKING AT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, EMILY, UM, IF YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT LAST COMMENT ON PUBLIC VERSUS CHARTER SCHOOLS AND HOW WE HAVE TO TREAT THEM, UH, EVERYWHERE ELSE. 
          UH, I WOULD SAY, UH, PUBLIC SCHOOL AND PRIVATE SCHOOL CAN BE, UH, REGULATED DIFFERENTLY, BUT CHARTER SCHOOL AND PUBLIC SCHOOL ARE USUALLY THE SAME. 
          TREAT THE SAME. 
          I I THINK WE HAVE LEGAL COUNSEL HERE AND IT CAN GUIDE US FROM THAT, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING, CHARTER SCHOOL AND PUBLIC SCHOOL WILL BE TREATED THE SAME WAY, PRIVATE SCHOOL, HOWEVER, YOU CAN STILL CONTINUE TO REQUIRE SOP CURRENTLY PRIVATE SCHOOL REQUIRE SOP, WHETHER IS IN RESIDENTIAL OR EVEN IN COMMERCIAL. 
          SO, UH, THE PUBLIC SCHOOL ONLY, UH, NEED SOP IN RESIDENTIAL, BUT NOT COMMERCIAL. 
          SO THEY ARE ALREADY REGULATED DIFFERENTLY RIGHT NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COUNCILMAN ENA? UM, YEAH, I DEFINITELY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS. 
          I ACTUALLY HAVE A SCHOOL IN MY DISTRICT, UM, THAT DID NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH, UM, THE PERMITTING, UM, AND ZONING. 
          AND I GET COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT SCHOOL EVERY DAY. 
          IT'S NOT A-D-I-S-D SCHOOL, UM, BUT IT, I THINK IS BEEN USED AS A MODEL OF WHAT NOT TO DO. 
          AND SO I, I DEFINITELY DO HAVE CONCERNS. 
          I KNOW WHEN WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE ZONING, UM, PROCESS WITH NEW SCHOOLS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT IN MY DISTRICT, I FEEL LIKE IT'S BEEN A BETTER, UM, SCHOOL AND COMMUNITY HAS BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE INPUT AND, UM, IT'S BEEN WELL RECEIVED. 
          AND WITH THOSE SCHOOLS, I I HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE COMPLAINTS THAT I DID, UM, WITH THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR SCHOOLS. 
          SO I, I DEFINITELY HAVE SOME CONCERNS, UM, WITH MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION. 
          AND THANK COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          ENA, THANK YOU FOR THAT LAST PART BECAUSE I THINK WE ARE TRYING TO GET SOME DIRECTION. 
          SO I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          LAST COMMENT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ROTH. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR, I'M, I'M, UH, A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE ACCESS TO THE, TO THE PROJECT THAT HAVE INPUT IN THOSE PROJECTS THAT DIRECTLY AFFECT THOSE, THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING NEXT TO THE PROJECTS. 
          AND WE'VE HAD SOME, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A REFLECTION ON DISD, WE WANNA HAVE THE BEST SCHOOLS. 
          WE WANT TO HAVE UP TO DATE MODERN, YOU KNOW, FIRST CLASS FACILITIES. 
          BUT LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS TO HAVE SOME PRIORITY IN WHAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THEM. 
          AND IN, IN, WE'VE, WE'VE ALREADY HAD SOME EXPERIENCES IN MY DISTRICT, UM, WHICH WITH RISD, WHICH HAVE BEEN VERY POSITIVE, UH, SITUATIONS, THEY'VE BEEN COOPERATIVE, THEY'VE BEEN HELPFUL. 
          THEY'VE, THEY'VE TAKEN THE INPUT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND INCORPORATED THEM INTO THEIR DESIGNS, INTO THEIR THINGS. 
          AND IT'S MADE FOR A, A BETTER, UM, FUTURE ACTIVITY, A BETTER RELATIONSHIP BUILDING. 
          AND IT'S ALSO BEEN A GOOD TEMPLATE FOR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS. 
          SO I, I'M REAL CONCERNED ABOUT NOT HAVING A SYSTEM WHERE THE PUBLIC IS ABLE TO WEIGH IN. 
          AND IF YOU'RE ONLY GETTING YOUR CONTROL IS REALLY ONLY IN THE PERMITTING SIDE. 
          THE PERMITTING SIDE REALLY ISN'T IN THE, UH, PUBLIC SIDE. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, BY THAT TIME, THAT'S REALLY A STAFF INTERNAL SITUATION IF I UNDERSTAND HOW THE PROCESS WORKS. 
          AND SO I THINK WE LOSE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE 
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INPUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON PROXIMITY OF THE FACILITIES TO HOMES, THE, THE TRAFFIC SITUATION, IF THEY INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE, OF THE FACILITY, THE, THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL, UH, NOISE AND, AND LANDSCAPE. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, THESE ARE THINGS THAT, AGAIN, ARE NOT ADVERSE TO, UH, TO, UH, PENALIZING DISD OR ANY SCHOOL FROM, FROM CREATING A GREAT THING. 
          BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO BE SENSITIVE AND GIVE PRIORITY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND I'M, I WOULD BE VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT ANYTHING THAT ELIMINATES OR DILUTES THE ABILITY FOR OUR NEIGHBORS TO WEIGH IN, IN, IN A SELFISH MANNER. 
          I, I LIVE ACROSS FROM TWO SCHOOLS. 
          I'D LITERALLY LIVE NEXT DOOR TO SCHOOLS. 
          AND IF THEY'RE GONNA CONVERT THAT INTO A BUS, UH, HUB, IF THEY'RE GONNA CONVERT IT INTO A, A, UH, A SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE DOUBLING THE SIZE OF THE POPULATION OF THE KIDS, IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE CHANGING THE LOCATION OF THE BALL FIELDS AND STUFF, AGAIN, ALL THOSE THINGS ARE POSITIVE, IT'S ALL IMPROVEMENTS. 
          BUT I THINK THAT I'M ENTITLED AS A CITIZEN AND AS A NEIGHBOR TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT, GET AHEAD OF IT, AND MAKE SUGGESTIONS CONSTRUCTIVELY, UH, IF WE FEEL LIKE IT'S ADVERSELY IMPACTING. 
          AND SO, AGAIN, UH, I, I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP OUR FOCUS ON THE EFFECT ON ANY KIND OF A DEVELOPMENT RELATED TO THE, I LOVE THE IDEA OF HAVING A DEDICATED PERSON, UH, SPEARHEADING THAT. 
          I THINK FOR EVERY MAJOR PROJECT THAT WE HAVE IN THIS CITY, WE SHOULD HAVE A CONCIERGE OR A DEDICATED, UH, PERSON IN YOUR DEPARTMENT WHO IS, WHO IS HELPING NAVIGATE THIS STUFF, UH, ESPECIALLY FOR INDUSTRIES AND FOR PARTICULAR LARGE CLIENTS. 
          AND SO THAT I THINK WOULD BE A, A, A GOOD SITUATION TO HELP MITIGATE SOME OF THE, MAYBE DELAY PART OF THIS. 
          I'M SORRY, NOT TO GIVE YOU A DIRECTION, BUT I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD STILL HAS TO BE PROTECTED FOR YOUR LAST COMMENT, COUNCILMAN ROSS? I LIKE IT. 
          WE ARE IN GOING IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          WE ALREADY STARTED TO ASSIGN STAFF TO TAKE CARE OF EACH OF THE CASE, ESPECIALLY NEW COMMERCIAL CASE. 
          WE HAVE SOMEBODY CALLED CASE MANAGER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, CHAIR GRACIE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND THANK YOU FOR THIS. 
          A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. 
          UM, HOW MANY PROJECTS FOR THIS DSD BOND PROGRAM WILL BE ON EXISTING PROPERTIES? BRENT ALFRED, UM, CHIEF CONSTRUCTION OFFICER WITH DALLAS, ISD. 
          SO OVERSEE THE BOND AND THE, UH, OPERATIONS OF DSD. 
          ALL OUR NEW SCHOOLS WILL BE ON EXISTING CAMPUSES, SO. 
          AND JUST SO I CAN GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF THAT, IS IT GONNA BE, I DON'T KNOW, THE ORDER OF IT, ARE YOU GONNA CONSTRUCT AND THEN ON THAT SAME PROPERTY, WHICH MEANS WOULD IT BE LIKE IF THE EXISTING SCHOOL IS, I DON'T KNOW, 20 FEET FROM THE STREET, THE NEW SCHOOL WILL BE BEHIND THAT SCHOOL? WHAT IS THAT? WALK ME THROUGH WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IS. 
          YEAH. 
          TYPICALLY ON OUR EXISTING CAMPUSES, WE HAVE THE SCHOOL AND THEN WE HAVE THE GREENFIELD. 
          YEP. 
          UH, WE TYPICALLY ARE BUILDING ON THE GREENFIELD, OUR NEW STRUCTURE WE OCCUPY. 
          THEN WE DEMO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, AND THAT BECOMES THE NEW GREENFIELD. 
          SO WE KIND OF DO A FLIP-FLOP. 
          THAT'S THE STANDARD PROCESS. 
          UH, WE SEE WE'RE NOT ACQUIRING ANY NEW PROPERTY, UH, IN THIS BOND PROGRAM. 
          SO, WHICH BRINGS ME TO THIS. 
          SO OF, OF THESE, HOW MANY ARE CURRENTLY, AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW, THAT'S FINE, BUT HOW MANY ARE IN NON-RESIDENTIAL CURRENTLY? HOW MANY ARE IN, IN RESIDENTIAL? JUST TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE SAYING YES OR NO TO. 
          IF, IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT, I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW. 
          JUST DOWN THE ROAD. 
          I, I THINK ROUGHLY, UH, COUNCILMAN, 99% I, I'M COMFORTABLE SAYING ARE IN RESIDENTIAL, IN THE CURRENT AREA RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND TO RESPOND TO ANOTHER COMMENT, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A PUBLIC PROCESS WHERE WE GO TO THE PUBLIC AND WE HAVE THEM PARTICIPATE IN THE DESIGN, WHERE THEY LOOK AT THINGS AS FAR AS LANDSCAPING, UH, OUR COLOR BOARDS, UH, THEY PICK THE BRICK EXTERIOR, UH, WE LOOK AT THE INTERIOR GRAPHICS THEY WANNA SEE. 
          'CAUSE WE REALLY BRANDING IT FOR THAT PARTICULAR COMMUNITY. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, AND THAT'S OUR, OUR CURRENT PROCESS. 
          WE DO A MINIMUM OF TWO MEETINGS TO SHOW THEM OUR SCHEMATIC DESIGN, OUR CONCEPTS, AND THEN COME BACK AT WHAT WE CALL DESIGN DEVELOPMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND, AND WITH, WITH THE MAJORITY OF THESE SCHOOLS, THAT, THE NEW ONES THAT'LL BE BUILT, I'M ASSUMING, BECAUSE SOME OF THE ISSUES ARE WITH THE, WITH THE PARKING AND ALL OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS, THAT CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADJUST IF THERE'S SOME EXISTING TRAFFIC ISSUES. 
          NOW, THIS GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADJUST SOME OF THAT DURING THIS, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          I'M COMFORTABLE SAYING, UH, WE'LL BE ABLE TO IMPROVE WHATEVER EXISTING TRAFFIC CONDITION AT 99% OF OUR 
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CAMPUSES, UH, BECAUSE THEY, THEY PREDATE SOME OF THE, UH, TRAFFIC CONCERNS WE EXPERIENCE IN, IN MODERN TIMES. 
          AND THAT'S PART OF THE MODERNIZATION EFFORT, NOT ONLY TO MODERNIZE AND, AND EDUCATE OUR KIDS BETTER, ALSO BE BETTER NEIGHBORS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN EMILY, I, I, I DON'T THINK I HEARD YOU. 
          UM, OR CAN YOU EXPLAIN SOME MORE? DO, DO WE OR DO WE NOT TREAT, UH, PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND CHARTERS DIFFERENTLY? WE TREAT THEM THE SAME. 
          OKAY. 
          PUBLIC SCHOOL, CHARTER SCHOOL, SAME. 
          HOWEVER PRIVATE SCHOOL WE CAN TREAT DIFFERENT, THAT'S WHAT IT'S PRIVATE SCHOOL CURRENTLY REQUIRE. 
          SOP BOTH ON RESIDENTIAL AND NON RESIDENTIAL. 
          UH, THE PUBLIC SCHOOL RIGHT NOW ONLY REQUIRE SOP ON RESIDENTIAL ZONE PROPERTY. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IN THIS CASE, YOU SAID ROUGHLY ABOUT 90% OF 'EM ARE ALREADY IN RESIDENTIAL, SO THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT. 
          AND THEN WITH THE OUTREACH THAT YOU ALL DO, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE FEEDBACK, UH, FROM THERE. 
          I, I AM TOO. 
          I SHARE THOSE CONCERNS FROM, FROM A, YEAH, I CAN APPRECIATE Y'ALL DOING THAT, BUT JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY WAS ACTUALLY HEARD IS THE PIECE THAT I THINK CREATES SOME, SOME HESITATION FROM THERE. 
          I, I'M NOT SURE WHERE I AM RIGHT NOW. 
          I THINK I'M LEANING ON THIS SIDE, BUT I, I WANT TO CONTINUE TO LISTEN. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BLAIR. 
          HI. 
          HOW, HOW ARE BOTH OF YOU DOING TODAY? THANK YOU FOR THE, THE PRESENTATION. 
          YOU KNOW, UH, BOTH OF YOU I'VE WORKED VERY INTENSELY WITH, WITH, WITH SCHOOLS THAT ARE BEING REBUILT. 
          AND I, I SHARE THE CONCERN ABOUT TMPS AND ABOUT BPU TRAFFIC ON PRI UM, ON RESIDENTIAL AREAS. 
          UM, A SCHOOL IN COUNCILMAN GRACIE'S DISTRICT, I HAVE A FRIEND WHO LIVES RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET OR SO, AND WHEN WE FLIPPED IT, THE BUS TRAFFIC IS NOW IN FRONT OF HER HOUSE, AND SHE'S NOT REALLY THRILLED WITH US. 
          SO EVERY TIME I SEE HER, I HA I GET A EARFUL. 
          EVERY TIME I SEE HER, I GET A EARFUL. 
          UM, SO I'M INTERESTED IN, IN, AND I UNDERSTAND STANDARDIZING AND MAKING THINGS FASTER, BUT THE FACT, BUT WHAT, WHERE I, UH, RECOGNIZE THERE IS A NEED FOR SPEED IS NOT IN THE FRONT END, IS IN THE BACK END THROUGH THE PERMITTING DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, WHEN, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU DO, WHEN YOU ARE DOING YOUR, YOUR UPFRONT DUE DILIGENCE, UM, I'M FINDING THAT ON THE BACK END, THE PERMITTING DEPARTMENT HAS A DIFFERENT CONCEPT AND IDEA. 
          SO I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE OF A STANDARDIZATION THAT SAYS THAT, THAT KNOWS THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE TMPS. 
          UM, KNOW THAT WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT, UM, THE INTERIM PERIOD WHERE YOU HAVE, WHERE YOU'VE TAKEN A LOT OF SPACE AWAY, HOW LONG THAT, THAT TIME IS GOING TO TAKE, THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO FILL THE, THE, THE, THE DISCOMFORT OF HAVING ALL THE TR TRAFFIC THAT NORMALLY WOULD BE ON THE SCHOOL PROPERTY ON THE STREET. 
          THEN I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. ALFORD, OF THE SCHOOLS THAT ARE GETTING READY TO BE REBUILT, I KNOW ONE OF MINES ARE GONNA BE GROUND UP MM-HMM . 
          AND IT'S GONNA BE GREAT BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN CHANGE THE ORIENTATION FROM WHERE IT IS SO THAT YOU CAN MITIGATE SOME OF THE DANGERS THAT OUR CHIL, THAT THE CHILDREN SEE. 
          BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A SCHOOL THAT IS SMALL ON FOOTPRINT, HEAVY ON TRAFFIC, AND YOU'RE UTILIZING A LOT OF THE STREETS, HOW, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE, THAT, THAT YOU, THAT, THAT YOU CAN BETTER SERVE THE COMMUNITY SO THAT THE TRAFFIC IS NOT NECESSARILY ALL ON THE STREET? YES. 
          I, I, I THINK IN THE LAST BARN WE REPLACED, UH, 16 CAMPUSES. 
          OUT OF THOSE 16, WE HAD THREE VERY SMALL SITES, UH, THREE TO FOUR ACRES WHERE I DIDN'T TYPICALLY NEED 10, UH, WHERE WE RELOCATED THAT ENTIRE CAMPUS TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION. 
          SO WE DIDN'T JUST DO THE FLIP FLOP BECAUSE THE SITE WAS TOO TIGHT, UH, ON THOSE CAMPUSES. 
          I THINK WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT APPROACH AFTER WE, AGAIN, ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE SHIFTING TO ANOTHER, UH, CAMPUS, ANOTHER BOUNDARY IS A COMMUNITY CONVERSATION. 
          WE, WE DON'T WORK IN A SILO. 
          AND WE'LL GET THAT FEEDBACK WITH THE NEIGHBORS, WITH THE PARENTS AND, UH, THE STAFF TO MAKE, 
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GET THAT RECOMMENDATION. 
          BUT THAT'S TYPICALLY THE STRATEGY WE'VE APPLIED. 
          AND THEN IN DOING CONSTRUCTION, UH, WE'VE LIMITED WHERE OUR CONSTRUCTION, UH, WORKERS CAN PARK. 
          SOMETIMES WE'VE LEASED LOTS FROM, UH, LOCAL CHURCH, UH, THAT'S A FORM OF REVENUE FOR THEM, OR RETAIL. 
          WE TRY TO FIND SOMETHING AROUND THE AREA AND BUST OUR CONSTRUCTION FOLKS TO THE SITE INSTEAD OF HAVING THEM PARK THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO EVEN CHARTER SCHOOLS, THEY ARE MORE, UM, UM, TRAFFIC INTENTS THAN EVEN OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS. 
          WELL, OUR PRIVATE SCHOOLS, SO A LOT OF TIMES OUR PUBLIC, OUR PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND OUR CHARTER SCHOOLS, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT IN THE COMMUNITY, THEY'RE MORE, THEY'RE MORE CAR ECCENTRIC AND THEY DON'T HAVE BUSES. 
          SO YOU SEE MORE TRAFFIC DURING THE HOURS OF COMING IN AND, AND, AND LEAVING. 
          WE SHARE A CHARTER SCHOOL WHERE THEY LIT, LITERALLY SHUT DOWN A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE AND A SERVICE ROAD WHEN IT'S TIME TO PICK UP, PICK UP AND DROP OFF. 
          SO I, WHEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU WANNA TREAT THEM ALL THE SAME, THEIR INTENSITY ARE NEVER THE SAME. 
          AND BECAUSE THEIR INTENSITY, UH, MS. LOU IS NEVER THE SAME, IT'S A HARD TIME TAKING A ROUND PEG AND PUTTING IT IN A SQUARE HOLE. 
          SO WHAT WAS THAT? VICE VERSA? SQUARE. 
          SQUARE AND A, SO , SO SAYING THAT YOU WANNA TREAT THEM ALL THE SAME IS BY NATURE, UH, A, A SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT FIT. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE INTENSITY OF HOW THEY ARE OPERATING IS SOMETHING WE CAN MANAGE TOO. 
          I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING THIS MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF SCHOOLS THAT ARE GOING TO BE REBUILT, UM, I, IT DEPENDS. 
          HERE'S SOME FACTORS I SEE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. 
          IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER OR NOT THE SCHOOL IS BEING BUILT ON PLACE OR IF THE SCHOOL IS BEING EVACUATED AND THEN COMPLETE TEAR DOWN TO REBUILT. 
          THOSE ARE THE EASIEST. 
          UM, IF THEY'RE, IF YOU'RE TAKING GREEN SPACE AND BUILDING ON THE GREEN SPACE AND THEN, THEN TEARING DOWN ONCE THE NEW BILL, IT DEPENDS THAT, SEE, THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES, IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER THE NEW TRAFFIC, THE NEW TMP INTENSITY WILL BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR NOT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          BECAUSE IF IT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT INTENSITY THAT RESIDENTS DIDN'T SEE BEFORE THE THE SCHOOL WAS BUILT, THEN THEY'RE NEVER GONNA BE HAPPY WITH THE SCHOOL. 
          UM, AND, AND THEN IF YOU CAN, IF YOU WOULD WERE TO SAY, LET'S MAKE IT LOOK THIS WAY AND YOU ANSWER QUESTIONS LIKE THAT, THEN I CAN SEE MOVING FORWARD TO A STANDARDIZATION THAT WILL IN, THAT WILL DECREASE THE TIME IT TAKES ON THE FRONT END. 
          BUT YOU WILL ALS I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT ON THE PERMITTING SIDE, YOU HAVE THOSE THAT ARE DOING THE PERMITTING IN THE FRONT END. 
          SO WHEN THEY HEAR THE DESIGN, THE DES THE DESIRE AND WHAT THE DESIGNS LOOK LIKE, THEN THOSE IN THE PERMITTING ALSO HAS THE CONCEPT AND THE IDEAL. 
          AND THEY ARE WORKING AS COHESIVELY TOGETHER INSTEAD OF NOT UNDERSTANDING THE FULL BREADTH OF WHAT'S BEING DEVELOPED AND HOW IT'S BEING DEVELOPED. 
          BECAUSE THEN YOU WILL, YOU WILL SEE, UH, UH, A MORE RAPID DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IN THE FRONT AND IN THE BACK. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO IS A COMPLETELY QUICKER WAY OF DOING THINGS THAT ARE, THAT CAN BE SUB UH, NON-SUBJECTIVE AND BE LESS INTENSIVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, MR. CHAIR, CHAIR WEST. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS TO US. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO IN GENERAL, I DO SUPPORT STREAMLINING, PERMITTING, UH, FOR ANYONE DOING BUSINESS WITH THE CITY, ESPECIALLY GOOD PARTNERS LIKE DISD. 
          UM, I SHARE, UH, I THINK ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES CONCERNS, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR SINGLE FAMILY OR AS FOR DALLAS CALLS IT COMMUNITY 
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RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          UM, A COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          WHY IS THIS BEING CONTEMPLATED SEPARATELY FROM ZONING REFORM? IS IT, 'CAUSE IT'S A CODE AMENDMENT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE SEPARATE. 
          IF THAT'S THE FEEDBACK NEED FROM YOU, IF YOU AGREE TO GO THIS ROUTE, AND THEN WE'RE GOING INCORPORATE THIS IN THE DALLAS ZONING REFORM. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          THE ADOPTION PROCESS MIGHT BE DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S GONNA BE PART OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          GOT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND THEN AS A SIDE NOTE, I, I'VE ALWAYS WONDERED WHY MY CHARTER SCHOOLS AND OH, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD SEEM TO HAVE MORE TRAFFIC ISSUES. 
          AND I, I DIDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE BUSES . 
          AND SO, UM, HAS, I GUESS AS A QUESTION FOR CITY ATTORNEY, MAYBE OFFLINE TO CONSIDER IS HAVE WE LOOKED AT THAT DISTINCTION IN CHARTER SCHOOLS AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS COMPARED TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND HOW THEY COULD BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY GIVEN THE FACT THAT THEY DO NOT PROVIDE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION? AND I KNOW THAT'S A TRICKY ISSUE WITH THE STATE, SO I'M NOT TRYING TO GET US IN TO, YOU KNOW, GET A PHONE CALL FROM THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE HERE. 
          BUT I I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE'VE GONE DOWN THIS ROAD AND HAD THIS ANALYSIS. 
          YEAH, THIS, THE LAURA MORRISON CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THE CITY CODE NEEDS TO TREAT CHARTER SCHOOLS AND ISD SCHOOLS THE SAME. 
          UM, HOWEVER, WHEN A ZONING CASE COMES BEFORE THE PLAN COMMISSION OR BEFORE THE COUNCIL, EACH ZONING CASE IS TAKEN ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS AND EVERYTHING IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. 
          UM, YOU LOOK AT THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE, YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING CASE AS A WHOLE, SO YOU DEFINITELY LOOK AT THE NEEDS OF THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT, UM, HOW A PROJECT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT FROM ANOTHER PROJECT, HOW IT MIGHT IMPACT THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES DIFFERENTLY THAN MAYBE SAY ANOTHER, UM, ANOTHER PROJECT THAT'S SIMILAR, UM, BUT NOT NECESSARILY EXACTLY THE SAME. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE ANY PLAN COMMISSIONERS THAT MIGHT BE LISTENING TO TAKE THAT TO HEART, ESPECIALLY ON THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN. 
          SO THEN TO GIVE YOU SPECIFIC FEEDBACK, UM, I'M GONNA, I HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS SLIGHTLY ON COMMUNITY, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY VERSUS ALL OTHERS FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, UM, THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW NON-RESIDENTIAL USES THAT CAN COME INTO NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND FRANKLY, IT IS THE MOST TRAFFIC INTENSIVE, UM, USE THAT WE HAVE. 
          I HAVE TWO KIDS AT DIFFERENT DISD SCHOOLS AND TRAFFIC'S CRAZY DURING DROP OFF AND PICK UP. 
          I CAN ATTEST TO PERSONALLY. 
          UM, I THINK WE, WE, I SU SUPPORT KEEPING THE SUP REQUIREMENT AS IT IS, AS MR. RIDLEY MENTIONED. 
          I THINK IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT IS THE BEST WAY FOR ALL OF US TO GET WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, WHICH IS COMMUNITY INPUT INTO THIS PROCESS. 
          I PERSONALLY HAD AT LEAST TWO SITUATIONS WHERE DISD PROPOSALS HAVE COME BEFORE EITHER I WAS ON THE PLAN COMMISSION ON ONE AND I WAS ON COUNCIL ON ANOTHER, AND IT WAS DISTRICT 1D ISD CAMPUSES THAT WERE PROPOSING NO SIDEWALKS ON ONE SIDE OF IT. 
          AND THEY HAD AN A REASON FOR IT, BUT IT'S LIKE THERE'S NO EXCUSE TO NOT HAVE SIDEWALKS IN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO IF WE HAD NOT HAD THOSE CASES COME BEFORE US, IT'S VERY LIKELY THERE WOULD BE NO SIDEWALKS ON ONE SIDE OF THE, THOSE, BOTH OF THOSE CAMPUSES. 
          I'VE HAD OTHER SITUATIONS WHERE THERE HAVE HAVEN'T BEEN OP, THERE HAVEN'T BEEN TREES AND LANDSCAPING PROVIDED. 
          AND I JUST THINK THAT HAVING THE CITY REVIEW THAT AND THEN HAVING THOSE OF US WHO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND OUR APPOINTEES ON THE PLAN COMMISSION WHO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE FEEDBACK ON THIS VERY IMPORTANT SITUATION IS JUST ESSENTIAL. 
          AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST IS THE TRAFFIC. 
          IT JUST HAVING ADDITIONAL EYES FROM PEOPLE ON THE GROUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS IS KEY. 
          AND I REALIZE DISD DOES THIS, I'M AWARE OF YOU HAVE YOUR ON CAMPUS REVIEW COMMITTEE, BUT THIS, THIS IS DIFFERENT HERE. 
          AND FRANKLY, WE'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO PAY FOR THE, THE CITY HAS TO PAY FOR THE CROSSING GUARDS. 
          SO WHATEVER COMES OUT OF THE TMP, WE'RE PAYING FOR THAT. 
          SO ALL OTHERS I WROTE DOWN. 
          SO IF IT'S NOT SINGLE FAMILY, UM, THE COMMERCIAL AREAS, I, I COULD SUPPORT SOME DESIGN STANDARDS STAFF DOING THAT, THAT BEING A MORE EXPEDITED REVIEW. 
          UM, I STILL THINK TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN SHOULD COME TO COUNCIL OR AT LEAST CPC ON THAT. 
          UM, BUT I COULD, I COULD SUPPORT MORE EX EXPEDITED REVIEW AND POSSIBLY NOT AN SUP FOR THAT. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR STEWART? YEP. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, SO I TOO HAVE A, A CHILD IN DISD AND, UH, WAS ABLE TO, UH, HAVE MY, MY STUDENT IN THE CAMPUS WHILE CONSTRUCTION WAS GOING ON. 
          UM, I KNOW I SAW THE DELAYS 
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ON WAITING FOR PERMITTING, WAITING FOR REVIEWS. 
          UM, I DO HAVE CONCERNS WITH, UH, AS WE'RE CHANGING THE, UH, TRAFFIC MODELING FOR OUR SCHOOLS AND THE ADDED CROSSING GUARDS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO, UH, UH, PICK UP ON. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT ADDING ADDITIONAL CROSSING GUARDS. 
          WE'RE ALL ABOUT SAFETY. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE OUR KIDS ARE SAFE. 
          UH, BUT THAT'S AN, AN ADDED BURDEN THAT WE'RE LOOKING ON OUR CITY COFFERS. 
          UM, YES, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THAT WE PAY. 
          UM, I, I AM ALL FOR DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          UM, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE STREAMLINED. 
          I THINK THAT I HAVE VOICED, UH, CONCERN ON HOW NARROW SIDEWALKS ARE AT TIMES AND MAKING SURE THEY'RE SIX TO EIGHT FEET, MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE FENCE LINES ABUTTING THE, UH, THE SIDEWALKS THAT WE'RE CREATING GREEN SPACE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND A, A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING LAST NIGHT WHERE PEOPLE GAVE FEEDBACK, PEOPLE GAVE INPUT. 
          AND SO I REALLY WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT IS WHAT CHANGES IF WE STREAMLINE OUR SUP OR DON'T REQUIRE AN SUP. 
          WHAT COMMITMENT CAN THE SCHOOL, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PROVIDE TO COUNCIL, TO NEIGHBORS, UH, MAKING SURE THAT THAT PROCESS DOESN'T CHANGE? YEAH, WE HAVE, UH, UM, AS YOU KNOW, OUR BOARD OF TRUSTEES, UH, WE CAN ADOPT IN OUR POLICY AND PROCEDURES, THESE PUBLIC PROCESSES. 
          WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS PER MONTH WHERE THE PUBLIC IS WELCOME TO SPEAK AT ANY TIME. 
          UM, AND LIKE I SAID, IF WE PUT IT IN OUR POLICIES THAT NO MATTER WHO'S IN MY SEAT CURRENTLY, WE WOULD, UH, STILL ENGAGE THE PUBLIC THROUGHOUT THE DESIGN, GET FEEDBACK, UM, MAKE IT PUBLIC ISSUE MINUTES. 
          AND I THINK THAT WOULD GIVE YOU SOME CERTAINTY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, A BINDING BODY THAT GOVERNS US THAT WILL MAKE SURE WE, WE KEEP THAT PROCESS TRANSPARENT. 
          SURE. 
          SO FOR THE ATTORNEYS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH A INTERLOCAL GOVERNMENT AGREEMENT TO HAVE BOTH PARTIES ACTUALLY AGREE TO THOSE TERMS? WE TALK ABOUT THIS IN LENGTH. 
          UM, WE FEEL ANYTHING RELATED TO LAND USE, UM, AND THEN STANDARD NEED TO BE IN THE ZONING CODE INSTEAD OF HAVING A SEPARATE INTER-LOCAL GOVERNMENT AGREEMENT. 
          AND OUR IS HERE TO ANSWER DIRECTLY LAURA MORRISON, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 
          WE COULDN'T ENTER INTO, UH, LIKE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WOULD CONFLICT WITH ANYTHING IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          UM, BUT I MEAN, I GUESS, WHAT ARE YOU ASKING? IF WE COULD ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT THAT THEY HOST PUBLIC, LIKE COMMUNITY MEETINGS? SURE. 
          LIKE IF THAT'S THROUGH A RESOLUTION OR IF THAT'S THROUGH SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT THAT SAYS THERE WILL BE TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS HELD. 
          YEAH, I, I DON'T SEE WHY NOT. 
          UM, AN AGREEMENT COULD BE REACHED BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE, UM, THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS. 
          AND, AND KEEP IN MIND THE DISD IS NOT THE ONLY SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT OPERATES, YOU KNOW, ISD SCHOOLS IN DALLAS. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, EMILY, WHAT OTHER CITIES EITHER HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT IS SIMILAR OR ARE LOOKING AT EXPLORING WHAT DALLAS IS, UH, REVIEWING CURRENTLY? WELL, MOSTLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THE SCHOOL ARE TREATED DIFFERENTLY THAN OTHER USES, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NON-RESIDENTIAL IN RESIDENTIAL, BUT THEY'RE SERVING, THEY'RE RESIDENTIAL USE, GENERAL SPEAKING, THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO SERVE THE PEOPLE LIVE AROUND IT. 
          UM, BUT, UM, SO SOME CITIES, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST IN TEXAS, TOTALLY EXEMPT SCREW FROM ANY ZONING. 
          THEY'RE CALLED COMMUNITY FOR CITY REVIEW. 
          UM, THEY DON'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ZONING CODE. 
          HOWEVER, UH, IN THAT PART OF THE COMMUNITY FACILITY REVIEW ITY, UM, IS VOLUNTARY. 
          THE, THE SCHOOL WILL DO SOME, UH, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT FOR CERTAIN SIZE. 
          SOME OTHER, UH, DISTRICT, UH, LIKE FORS, UH, THEY ALLOW THEM BY. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, BUT THEY ALSO, ANOTHER LEVEL IS ALLOW THEM BY, NOT BY RIGHT. 
          ALLOW THEM PERMITTED WITH STANDARDS. 
          THE ONE OF THE STANDARD COULD BE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. 
          YOU HAVE TO HOLD A MINIMUM TWO PUBLIC MEETING AS PART OF THAT REQUIREMENT. 
          IF YOU DON'T MEET THAT REQUIREMENT, THEN YOU GO TO SUP, YOU HAVE THE SIDEWALK HAVE TO BE SIX FEET, EIGHT FEET, WHATEVER. 
          EVENTUALLY YOU DECIDE HOW MANY TREES YOU NEED TO, I KNOW FENCES THAT REALLY, REALLY, UH, UH, UH, SOMETIME A SUBJECT LIGHTING NOISE. 
          UH, DEFINITELY TRAFFIC. 
          ALL OF THOSE HAS BEEN SPELLED OUT AT THE VERY BEGINNING WITH PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. 
          WITH PUBLIC INPUT. 
          AND YOU WILL REVIEW THAT AND, UH, AND THEN ADOPT THAT. 
          SO THIS WILL BE MORE LIKE A TAX AMENDMENT ROUTE, BUT YOU HAVE TO REVIEW ALL THE STANDARDS IN UPFRONT IS BETTER FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. 
          I'M NOT SPEAKING ON THEIR BEHALF BECAUSE THEY CAN PREDICT, UH, THEY, THEY, YOU HAVE 
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A CERTAIN BUDGET FOR A CERTAIN PROJECT, UH, CASE BY CASE SOMETIME, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT HERE AND THERE. 
          UH, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, FOR SCHOOL STANDARDIZED ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THEY'RE EITHER EXEMPT FROM ZONING OR ALLOWED BY RIGHT. 
          OUR CASE IS IT COULD BE ALLOWED PERMIT WITH STANDARDS. 
          THOSE STANDARDS ARE VERY IMPORTANT FOR YOU. 
          THE LIGHTING HAS TO BE CERTAIN HEIGHT, TURN OFF CERTAIN HOURS, UH, OR, YOU KNOW, THE FENCE HAS TO BE SET BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND THE TREES HAS TO BE PLANTED AND AMENITY HAS TO PROVIDE, ALL OF THOSE WILL BE NEGOTIATED UPFRONT. 
          SO IT'S NOT CASE BY CASE. 
          IT'S EASIER FOR OUR PERMITTING STAFF TOO, TO KNOW THAT STANDARD. 
          SO EACH SCHOOL, THAT INSTEAD OF EACH CASE, EACH SCHOOL ABOUT 50, SOME SCHOOL ARE DIFFERENT STANDARDS. 
          IT'S PROBABLY EASIER TO MAKE MISTAKE. 
          I'M NOT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE DSD, ALTHOUGH I LOVE YOU , BUT IT'S JUST LIKE WHAT THE BEST STANDARDS, UH, THE PRACTICE ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          THANK YOU, EMILY. 
          UM, DEPUTY MAYOR, PRO TIM, AND I'LL DO SLASH TRUSTEE TODAY SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SCHOOLS. 
          ANY COMMENT? NOT RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND SO, UM, WE'LL, WE WILL DO A SECOND ROUND. 
          UM, I, I AM, WHAT I'M GATHERING THOUGH, EMILY, IS THAT THERE ARE STILL SOME QUESTIONS AND WE PROBABLY NEED TO STILL, UH, DEFINE THIS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER. 
          SURE. 
          BUT WITH THAT, UH, LET ME START NOW, UH, WITH THE CHAIR, STEWART, AND GO BACKWARDS. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, ROTH, UM, JUST A QUICK THING, SOMETHING THAT YOU MENTIONED IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO YOUR FOLKS, UM, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FLIPPING THE SCHOOLS, AND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A BAD DESIGN AND A BAD THOUGHT IN AN EFFICIENT WAY TO REDEVELOP THE SCHOOLS. 
          BUT WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU FLIP THOSE SCHOOLS, YOU'RE PUTTING, YOU'RE CHANGING THE, THE DYNAMICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S ENGAGEMENT TO THAT SCHOOL. 
          WHEN YOU FLIP THE BUILDING INTO WHERE THE, WHERE THE, UH, UH, FIELD WAS AND WHERE THE, THE STADIUM WAS OR WHERE THE PARKING WAS, YOU ARE TYPICALLY COMING CLOSER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THOSE WERE TYPICALLY ON THE STREET. 
          SO THAT KIND OF A MODEL FOR REDEVELOPMENT OF THESE SITES IS REALLY IMPORTANT ON A, ON A DESIGN PERMIT, YOU'RE ALSO EXPANDING THESE BUILDINGS, WHICH IS GOOD, BUT YOU'RE BUILDING THEM BIGGER. 
          THEY'RE GONNA BE TALLER. 
          WE SAW THIS WITH RICHARDSON ID, AND THEY'RE MAKING BEAUTIFUL SCHOOLS AND THEY'RE, IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT IN DALLAS TOO. 
          BUT YOU'VE GOT TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I'M NOT GOING TO APPROVE, UH, OR ENDORSE SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT ALLOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE ENGAGED. 
          I DON'T WANT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO KILL YOUR PROJECTS. 
          I DON'T WANT 'EM TO BE UNREASONABLE, BUT THEY HAVE GOT TO BE IN THAT PROCESS. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER DENNER, UM, EMILY, UH, ONE QUESTION FOR ME. 
          SO YOU MENTIONED ABOUT IT BEING ZONING REFORM. 
          SO THIS WOULD BE MOVING FORWARD, THIS WOULD BE THE PROCESS, OR IS THIS ONLY FOR THIS BOND? I'M GETTING FEEDBACK FROM YOU IF YOU SAID THAT'S DIRECTION GOING, WE'RE GOING TO ACCRUE THAT IN THE DALLAS ZONING REFORM, AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK FOR YOU TO VOTE ON IF YOU SAY THIS NOT DIRECTION WE'RE GOING, WE'LL KEEP THE WAY IT IS. 
          SO WE ARE GETTING FEEDBACK FROM YOU WHICH DIRECTION WE SHOULD GO IN TERMS OF SCHOOL. 
          UM, THE ZONING. 
          OKAY. 
          RELATED TO SCHOOLS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I THINK I WOULD HAVE EVEN MORE CONCERN WITH THAT JUST BECAUSE I'VE, I'M THINKING ABOUT ZONING CASES I'VE DEALT WITH IN THE PAST. 
          UM, ALSO I WOULD MENTION, I THINK THE SCHOOLS IN MY DISTRICT, AND, AND WITH THAT IN MIND, THE SCHOOLS IN MY DISTRICT, I THINK ARE IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS, BOTH OF THE ONES THAT WE'RE SCHEDULED TO GET. 
          UM, BUT IN WEST DALLAS, THE ZONING IS VERY DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF WHEN IT WAS INCORPORATED. 
          SO YOU HAVE INDUSTRIAL ZONING NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL ZONING, UM, NEXT TO SCHOOLS. 
          AND SO, UM, AND SOME OF THAT INDUSTRIAL IS BEING CONVERTED INTO RESIDENTIAL. 
          SO I WOULD HAVE SOME, ALTHOUGH I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE FIND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ONE ZONING WHERE MAYBE WE COULD FIND SOME WIGGLE ROOM. 
          I THINK IN MY DISTRICT THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT BECAUSE OF HOW THE ZONING, UM, HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN IN THAT AREA. 
          UM, AND THEN MY LAST COMMENT WOULD, WOULD BE, UM, DEFINITELY WE HAVE TO HAVE, UM, I THINK COMMUNITY INPUT, BUT IT ALSO NEEDS TO BE FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE CHARTER SCHOOLS VERSUS DI AND DSD SCHOOLS, WHICH ARE BOTH PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS, AND YOU HAVE PRIVATE, BUT WE HAVE SEEN CASES, AT LEAST AS I'M THINKING IN PAST ZONING CASES WHERE MAYBE THE PARENTS DIDN'T 
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ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY, THEY WEREN'T THE CLOSEST NEIGHBORS TO THAT SCHOOL. 
          AND, UM, AND, AND THERE HAVE, THERE WAS A RECENT ZONING CASE THAT WE HAD WHERE THEY BUILT, UM, WHERE ANOTHER DISD SCHOOL WAS. 
          AND THERE WAS SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS THAT WE HAD TO WORK THROUGH. 
          BUT AGAIN, IT MADE IT A BETTER PROJECT BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS WERE ABLE TO HAVE SOME OF THAT INPUT. 
          SO IF THERE IS A WAY FOR US TO SPEED UP THIS PROCESS, MAYBE ONCE WE GOT THROUGH THE ZONING, UM, I WOULD LOVE THAT. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHERE MAYBE WE COULD, UM, HELP. 
          BUT IN TERMS OF, UM, LIMITING RESIDENT INPUT TO ACTUALLY MAKE CHANGES, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          VICE CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          A CM BENTLEY'S E UH, UH, MEMO SAYS THAT STAFF WILL CONTINUE REVIEWING BEST PRACTICES RELATED TO SCHOOLS AND EDUCATIONAL USES. 
          UM, DO YOU CONTEMPLATE COMING BACK AT A FUTURE HEARING BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE TO PRESENT SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THAT RESEARCH AND PERHAPS RECOMMENDATIONS? YES. 
          WE'LL BE HAPPY TO, UM, ESPECIALLY WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL. 
          MAYBE WE'RE USING, UH, WE'RE DOING SOME TESTING RIGHT NOW, A FEW PILOT PROJECT TO SEE WHAT KIND OF STANDARD, UH, CONDITIONS CAN BE ADDED. 
          BUT WE ABSOLUTELY CAN COME BACK AND, UH, AND, AND HAVE, CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, MR. CHAIR, I SEE NO NEED TO TAKE ANY ACTION ON THIS ITEM TODAY. 
          UH, PENDING STAFF COMING BACK AT A FUTURE MEETING WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. 
          UM, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. 
          UM, BEFORE I FINISH THE SECOND ROUND, I'M GONNA GO TO FIRST ROUND TO DEPUTY MAYOR PROTO. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          UH, CHIEF AFRICA. 
          GOOD TO SEE YOU. 
          UM, WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR GOAL? WHAT ARE YOUR, YOU'RE TRYING TO DO? I KNOW THAT WHEN I WAS ON SCHOOL BOARD, WHICH WAS PROBABLY A SNEEZE AGO, UM, WE BUILT, WHAT, $400 MILLION WORTH OF PLUS IN DISTRICT FIVE, WHERE I SERVED, UH, COMMUNITY THAT WAS NEEDING THIS, THE RESOURCES. 
          SO WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR, YOUR GOAL CONCERNING THE BUILDING NEW SCHOOLS AND, AND WHAT YOU WANT THE CITY TO DO CONCERNING THAT? YEAH. 
          UM, THANK YOU, TRUSTEE. 
          GOOD. 
          I MEAN, NOT TRUSTEE. 
          COUNCILMAN, UH, GOOD. 
          SEE YOU AGAIN. 
          UH, COURSE I HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE BOND, UH, IN MAY, WE PASSED $6.2 BILLION BOND. 
          WITH THAT, WE'LL BE TOUCHING ALL 230 CAMPUSES AGAIN, UH, AS WELL AS REPLACING 24, UH, 26 NEW SCHOOLS WE'RE GONNA BUILD FROM GROUND UP ON EXISTING SITES. 
          AND I HAVE A, A FEW ADDITIONS AS WELL. 
          SO I'M LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY 58 DIFFERENT ZONING CASES, UH, IN THE LAST BOND TO GET THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          IT WAS ABOUT 11 MONTHS. 
          UH, WE FACTORED, SO WE SAW SOME PATTERNS ALONG THE WAY. 
          WE THOUGHT WE COULD STANDARDIZE THOSE INTO AN AGREEMENT WORKING WITH THE CITY, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE SEEING THAT, THAT, UH, JUST COULD BE EXPEDITED. 
          UH, BECAUSE ALSO DURING THE 2020 BOND PROGRAM, UH, WE EXPERIENCED A LOT OF INFLATION, UH, 17% IN ONE YEAR, WHICH CAUSED US TO REDUCE OUR SCOPE. 
          SO WE LOST THAT TIME. 
          SO ANYTHING WE COULD DO TO BE MORE EFFICIENT. 
          AGAIN, UH, UH, YOU, YOU'VE WORKED WITH US. 
          UH, WE LOVE THE PUBLIC PROCESS. 
          WE GET A LOT OF PUBLIC FEEDBACK. 
          UH, WE THINK IT'S ESSENTIAL TO THE PROCESS AND OUR SUCCESS IN PASSING, UH, THIS, UH, CURRENT BOND. 
          SO I ASKED FROM THE CITY IS TO PARTNER WITH US. 
          LET'S PUT SOME STANDARDS TOGETHER SO WE CAN JUST WORK A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENT. 
          WE'VE STUDIED OTHER CITIES AROUND TEXAS AND THE NATION THAT HAVE EXPERIENCED SIMILAR, AND WE THOUGHT WE COULD MODEL BEHIND THOSE MODELS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WHAT, WHAT DELAYS WHEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE BUILDING A, A, A NEW FACILITY? UM, 'CAUSE I THINK WE ARE, WE ARE DALLAS. 
          ID HAS ALSO BEEN TREATED, AND I'M GONNA SAY IT LIKE IN THIS WHERE, UH, TREATED LIKE A DEVELOPER, UH, AND, AND A LOT OF RED TAPE THAT PREVENTS THAT. 
          AND SO NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE THE INFLATION, BUT I KNOW YOU'VE ALSO HAD DELAYS THAT, SO HOW, HOW CAN THE CITY HELP WITH DELAYS, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO SOME OF THE PROCESSES THAT'S GOING ON, TO KIND OF MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD TO GET SOME OF THESE SCHOOLS UP SO OUR KIDS WON'T BE PRETTY MUCH, NOT SO MUCH OUT IN THE COLD, BUT NOT IN THE BUILDING THAT THEY DESERVE TO BE IN. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I'M WORKING WITH MS. LOU AND HER STAFF, AND WE'VE, SHE'S GOT A LOT OF IDEAS ABOUT ADDITIONAL STAFF FOR ONE TO BRING ON. 
          UH, WE CAN DO THAT THROUGH AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. 
          UH, AND DSD WOULD FUND THAT, UH, THROUGH AN ESCROW. 
          UM, ALSO, UM, SINCE THEY'VE GONE WITH ME THROUGH THIS JOURNEY, THEY'RE SEEING SOME OF THE SAME STANDARDS AT EACH ONE. 
          THE SIDEWALKS, THE FENCES, THE LANDSCAPE, UH, GOING THROUGH A DISCRETIONARY PROCESS, I'M NOT ABLE TO GET PREDICTABILITY. 
          AND SOMETIMES WE'RE ARRIVING AT THE SAME CONCLUSION, UH, THAT WE'VE SEEN AT OTHER SCHOOLS. 
          SO WE'RE COMFORTABLE, UM, LOOKING AT SOME OF THE STANDARDS, SOME OF THE PATTERNS, AND, UM, KIND 
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OF CODIFYING THAT AND MAKING THOSE AMENDMENTS SO WE CAN, UM, START BUILDING OUR BUILDINGS A LITTLE QUICKER. 
          SO IF I'M, IF I'M CORRECT, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THE CITY IS WORKING WITH YOU TO MODERNIZE THE PROCESS. 
          CORRECT. 
          UH, SO YOU'RE NOT TREATED AS A DEVELOPER. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT MORE OF A SCHOOL DISTRICT TO, TO ELIMINATE SOME OF THE, UH, THE, I GUESS THE, THE DELAYS. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          I GET TO YOU. 
          AND MY LAST QUESTION IS, HOW LONG DOES THAT PROCESS, HOW LONG IS THAT PROCESS? BECAUSE I KNOW IT CAN START OUT AT 20 MILLION, BUT THE DELAYS THAT HAPPEN, CAUSE IT NOW WHEN YOU HAVE TO GO BACK, YOU HAVE TO DO THE SCOPE OVER AGAIN AND THINGS THAT WAS PROMISED TO THE COMMUNITY AND PROMISED TO THE KIDS, UM, IS, IS NOT THERE. 
          I KNOW WHAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, LORI WAS TALKING. 
          WE, WE, WHEN WE BUILT, UH, PINKSTON, I WAS THE ACCOUNT. 
          I WAS THE TRUSTEE THERE. 
          AND SO, UH, IT WAS A LOT OF DELAYS. 
          SO HOW ARE WE WORKING ON THAT TO MAKE IT EFFICIENT FOR THE CITY AS, AS WELL AS DALLAS, ISD? UH, WE HAVE, UM, MADE TREMENDOUS IMPROVEMENT THANKS TO OUR ZONING TEAM. 
          SO CURRENTLY THE QUICKEST WAY GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, ABOUT FOUR MONTHS AND SOMETIME, BECAUSE COMPLEXITY OF, UH, THE PROJECT, IT COULD GO TO LIKE SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS. 
          SO IT WILL BE, UH, A FEW MONTHS ACTUAL. 
          BUT I THINK WHEN WE TALK TO DSD, THEIR MAIN CONCERN IS, UH, PREDICTABILITY BECAUSE EACH CASE, UH, THE OUTCOME EVENTUALLY GET APPROVED. 
          EACH, UH, CASE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, EITHER WAY IT'S FINE FROM STAFF. 
          IF YOU WANT TO KEEP WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, WE'RE FINE. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING DSD HAD APPROACHED US AND, AND HAVE THIS REQUEST. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, JUST GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU. 
          UM, SO MAYBE THERE'S A MIDDLE GROUND WITH THAT STANDARDS. 
          I THINK, UH, MAYBE, UH, ALSO IN THERE SAYING, UM, THEY CANNOT MAKE, UH, IT WORSE EITHER TRAFFIC OR SIDEWALK. 
          IT HAS TO BE BETTER IMPROVEMENT WHAT THEY HAVE NOW. 
          SOME KIND OF THAT STANDARD CAN BE IN THERE. 
          WE'RE WORKING WITH DSD TO EXPLORE WHAT KIND OF STANDARD CAN BE THERE THAT CAN BE INCLUDED IN HERE. 
          UM, SO IT APPLIES TO MAKE, AND THE IN CASES THAT THEY CANNOT MEET THE STANDARDS AND THEN THEY HAVE TO COME THROUGH THE ZONING SUPA SEPARATE DISCRE PROCESS, BUT SOME SIMPLE PROJECT THAT CAN MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENT THAT WILL MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR, CHAIR GRACIE. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          I, I THINK I'M, I'M INTERESTED IN BRINGING THIS BACK WITH A LIST OF WHAT THOSE, UH, PERMITTED STANDARDS WOULD BE SO WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING TO DISCUSS. 
          I THINK I COULD BE OKAY WITH THAT. 
          UM, AND I DO APPRECIATE TRYING TO GET THESE PROJECTS DONE FOR THE SAKE OF EVEN THE NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE THE CONSTRUCTION IS AN INCONVENIENCE IN AND OF ITSELF. 
          SO I CAN APPRECIATE TRYING TO, UH, MOVE THIS, THIS FORWARD FROM THERE. 
          BUT I THINK SEEING THOSE STANDARDS WOULD HELP ME MAKE A BETTER DECISION. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BLAIR, UM, I AGREE THAT I THINK IT NEEDS TO COME BACK. 
          UM MM-HMM . 
          AND I DO KNOW THAT, UH, THAT MR. ALBERT KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT MY STANDARDS ARE, UH, SINCE WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED INTENSELY ABOUT THEM IN, IN MY OTHER LIFE. 
          UM, AND I, AND HE, AND, AND, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT BY NATURE OF THE FACT THAT DISD IS IN NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT THE CONCEPT AND THE IDEAL OF TREATING ALL OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SCHOOLS THE SAME MAY BE CHALLENGING BECAUSE I HAVE CHARTER SCHOOLS THAT ARE IN INDUSTRIAL AREAS, AND ALL OF MY, WELL, EXCEPT FOR ONE, IS IN PUBLIC NEIGHBORHOODS AND NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          SO, AND, AND I HAVE A LOT OF BOTH. 
          AND THE INTENSITY OF THE SAME SCHOOL THAT YOU HAVE AND YOU HAVE, ARE THAT I, I ALSO HAVE, SO I, I, I, IF WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT STREAMLINING THIS MS. LOU, UH, THE DIRECTOR, LOU, THEN WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS HOW TO STREAMLINE SCHOOLS. 
          AND IT, I GUESS THE EASIER WAY TO SAY IT, SCHOOLS THAT ARE IN AND AROUND COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOODS VERSUS THOSE THAT ARE NOT, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE THOSE THAT ARE IN A NEIGHBOR, A, A, A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD HAS DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS AND DIFFERENT NEEDS THAN THOSE THAT ARE NOT. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, CHAIR WEST. 
          CLOSE THIS OUT. 
          AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID. 
          THINK IT NEEDS TO COME BACK. 
          THANK YOU, . 
          THANK YOU GUYS. 
          UM, GOT IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, AND MOVE 
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FORWARD. 
          I DIDN'T THINK WE WOULD, UH, GO THAT IN DEPTH OR SOMEWHAT CONTROVERSIAL. 
          WHICH LEADS US TO 
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OUR NEXT ITEM, UH, ITEM BRIEFING, ITEM A, UH, DATA CENTERS. 
          THIS WILL BE A SHORT ONE. 
          SO, UM, HOW DID WE GET HERE TODAY? UH, THIS ITEM IS SEPARATE FROM THE FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO ON DATA CENTERS. 
          UH, THAT ITEM, UH, UH, WILL BE FORTHCOMING, UM, AS DATA CENTERS HAVE BECOME A HOT ISSUE. 
          UM, I THOUGHT IT WAS BEST TO BRING THIS ITEM FORWARD SO THAT WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS, GET CLARITY. 
          UH, WE WILL HAVE STAFF AND DO HAVE STAFF FROM VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS. 
          WITH THAT, UM, PLEASE, UH, PROCEED WITH THE PRESENTATION. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND CHAIR ROBIN BENTLEY WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. 
          AND AS THE CHAIR MENTIONED, HE ASKED US BASICALLY TO GET OUR ARMS AROUND WHAT THE DATA CENTER SITUATION IS IN DALLAS. 
          I THINK IT'S BEEN REALLY INTERESTING FOR ALL OF US TO BE OUT VISITING, TAKING PICTURES, LOOKING AT THESE SITES, AND WE'VE LEARNED SOME THINGS WE DIDN'T KNOW. 
          UM, AS YOU'LL HEAR AS WE GET INTO THE BRIEFING, WHEN PEOPLE PICTURE DATA CENTERS, I THINK THEY'RE PICTURING THESE MASSIVE HYPERSCALE, UM, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF ACRES DATA CENTERS. 
          WE SIMPLY DON'T HAVE LAND IN DALLAS TO SUPPORT THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          OUR ECO DEV TEAM PROBABLY GETS THOSE REQUESTS AT LEAST MONTHLY AND WE JUST SEND THEM RIGHT BACK 'CAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE LAND TO SUPPORT IT. 
          WHAT WE'VE FOUND ARE THAT DEVELOPERS HAVE BEEN KIND OF CREATIVE IN USING SOME OF OUR OLDER AND VACANT COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES TO DO INFILL DATA CENTERS. 
          UM, SO THE TEAM WILL GET INTO SOME OF THAT. 
          DALLAS IS, OR DFW, IS THE WORLD'S LEADING DATA CENTER MARKET. 
          I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE GIVEN THE GROWTH THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING AND THE TYPE OF GROWTH WE'RE EXPERIENCING IN OUR CORPORATE CULTURE. 
          UM, BRITTLE WILL EXPLAIN WHY IT'S BENEFICIAL TO COMPANIES TO BE CLOSE TO THESE DATA CENTER PROJECTS, HOW IT SPEEDS UP THEIR BUSINESS PROCESSES. 
          AND WE EVEN HAVE A DATA CENTER ACROSS THE STREET. 
          I THINK THAT WAS SURPRISING TO ME, MAYBE NOT TO YOU ALL, THAT THESE HAVE BEEN OUT THERE OPERATING AND FUNCTIONING IN DALLAS IN A WAY THAT IS PROBABLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE SEEING. 
          UM, AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE TEAM TO WALK US THROUGH. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          UH, LET ME, UH, JUST, UH, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF TODAY'S MEETING AND GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN, UH, CHAIR MORENO AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. 
          SO THE PURPOSE OF TODAY'S BRIEFING IS ACTUALLY TO SHARE THE FINDINGS FROM OUR PRELIMINARY SEARCH ON DATA CENTER IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, ALONG WITH SOME CONTEXT FROM THE DFW REGION, THIS REGION, THE STATE OF TEXAS AND NATIONAL TRENDS. 
          I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS IS NOT A POLICY RECOMMENDATION. 
          OUR GOAL IS SIMPLY TO SHARE WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED SO FAR AND BEGIN DISCUSSING HOW THE CITY MAY APPROACH THIS TOPIC FROM A LAND USE AND ZONING PROSPECT. 
          THAT IS A KIND OF FOCUS OF OUR DISCUSSION TODAY. 
          AND ALSO TO TODAY'S PRESENTATION, I ALSO WANT TO SAY IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US STAFF TO RECEIVE YOUR FEEDBACK. 
          JUST LIKE THE PREVIOUS CASE, WE NEED YOUR FEEDBACK AND THEN GUIDANCE ABOUT NEXTS. 
          UM, STEP WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN TO, UM, OUR DR. 
          BRITA AND UNDER CHIEF DATA OFFICER, ST. 
          THOMAS LEFT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UM, IF WE COULD GO TO SLIDE THREE. 
          UM, THE WORD DATA CENTER IS BEING USED TO DESCRIBE MANY THINGS IN GENERAL. 
          A DATA CENTER IS A SECURE FACILITY THAT HOUSES IT INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          IT HAS SERVER STORAGE DEVICES, NETWORKING EQUIPMENT TO PROCESS, MANAGE AND STORE DIGITAL DATA. 
          ONE WAY TO THINK OF IT AS, AS THE PHYSICAL HOME FOR THE INTERNET. 
          SO ANYTIME THAT YOU SEARCH THE INTERNET, SEND AN EMAIL, USE AN APPLICATION ON YOUR PHONE, READ A BOOK ON A KINDLE OR STREAM A TELEVISION SHOW, YOU'RE USING A DATA CENTER. 
          WE'RE USING A DATA CENTER RIGHT NOW TO STREAM THIS MEETING TO THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, THEY'RE UBIQUITOUS IN OUR LIVES AT THIS POINT. 
          PART OF THE REASON THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION NOW IS THAT THE COMPUTING POWER REQUIRED TO SUPPORT AI HAS CHANGED THE DATA CENTER LANDSCAPE. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE HAD DATA CENTERS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR DECADES, AS ROBIN MENTIONED. 
          UM, BUT THE COMPUTE POWER AND THE SCALE AT WHICH THEY'RE BEING BUILT AND THE NUMBERS AT WHICH THEY'RE BEING BUILT HAS RADICALLY CHANGED. 
          AND I'M GONNA HAND THINGS BACK TO EMILY. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          YES, PLEASE. 
          UM, SO AS BOTH, UH, ROBIN AND BRITA MENTIONED DATA CENTER HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR DECADES, BUT THEY COME IN ALL SHAPES, SIZES AND DESIGN. 
          THEY'RE DIFFERENT. 
          UH, THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT CATEGORY OF DATA CENTERS FROM THE LAND USE AND ZONING PERSPECTIVE. 
          WE CLASSIFY THEM TO THREE CATEGORIES. 
          THE FIRST ONE IS ENTERPRISE 
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DATA CENTER. 
          THESE ARE BUILT AND USED BY A SINGLE COMPANY FOR ITS OWN PRIVATE OPERATION URI AS ACCESSORY USE AND ATTI ATTACHED TO THE PRIMARY USE. 
          A GOOD EXAMPLE ACTUALLY IS THE DATA CENTER. 
          IN THIS BUILDING, IN THE BASEMENT, WE HAVE A DATA CENTER THAT SERVE THE CITY OF DALLAS. 
          UH, ANOTHER ONE, UH, WE HAVE EXAMPLES. 
          S-M-U-I-I LOOK AT OUR PERMITTING INFORMATION. 
          SMU HAS A, UM, CO REQUEST BACK IN 2012 AND THEY HAVE A DATA CENTER, BUT THAT DATA CENTER ONLY SERVE THEIR FUNCTION. 
          THEIR UNIVERSITY IS A SEPARATE BUILDING. 
          UM, BUT THAT IS CALLED ENTERPRISE DATA CENTER AND THE SIZE IS DIFFERENT. 
          I THINK OUR DATA CENTER DOWNSTAIRS, PROBABLY VERY SMALL, SMU AS I MENTIONED, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN BUILDING A LITTLE BIT BIGGER, BUT THEY ARE BIGGER ORGANIZATION HAVE A LOT OF NEED AS WELL. 
          AND ALSO THE POWER CONSUMPTION, WATER USE, THEY'RE ALL A LITTLE DIFFERENT. 
          THE SECOND CATEGORY IS CALLED CO-LOCATION. 
          THESE ARE SHARED SPACE WHERE MULTIPLE COMPANIES RENT ROOM OR SPACE. 
          SOMETIMES YOU RENT A CABIN OR A FEW SHELVES, UM, FOR THEIR OWN, UH, SERVERS. 
          AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, MOST OF DATA CENTER WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TODAY, UH, ACTUALLY FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY. 
          THERE ARE VARIOUS, UH, SIZES, UM, DIFFERENT UM, UM, LOCATIONS AND DIFFERENT DESIGN. 
          IT'S VERY INTERESTING. 
          AND THE THIRD CATEGORY, WHICH WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE IN THE STATE OF DALLAS CALLED HYPERSCALE. 
          THESE ARE THE MASSIVE FACILITY RUN YEARLY PROVIDE LIKE AMAZON, GOOGLE, UH, META. 
          AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY IN HERE, BUT A LOT OF OUR SUBURBAN NEIGHBORS DO HAVE A LOT OF THIS. 
          THAT'S WHY DFW BECOME THE NUMBER ONE, UH, DATA CENTER MARKET IN THE WORLD BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME BUT NOT THAT MANY. 
          UH, IF YOU RECALL JUST LAST WEEK, UH, FORWARDS, FORWARDS APPROVED A DATA CENTER OF $10 BILLION IN THE SOUTHERN SECTION. 
          THEY STILL HAVE A LOT OF GREENLAND. 
          A MATTER PURCHASED, UH, SOME LAND IN THE NORTH IN THE HUNDREDS OF ACRES AND DEVELOP, UH, THEIR CENTER. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE HIGH-SKILL DATA CENTER. 
          THEY USUALLY OCCUPY HUNDREDS OF ACRES AND MOSTLY ON GREENLAND. 
          YOU SEE A LOT OF THESE ACTUALLY ARE BUILT IN THE RURAL COMMUNITY ACROSS TEXAS, ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          AND UM, THESE ARE THE ONE THAT DRAW A LOT OF ATTENTION AND A LOT OF OPERATION AS WELL. 
          UH, THEY USUALLY CONSUME HUNDREDS OF, UH, MEGAWATTS AND UH, USE A LOT OF WATER AS WELL. 
          UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          UH, SO WHY DATA CENTER INTEREST IN DALLAS OR IN THE GENERAL AREA AS A WHOLE? BECAUSE THE LOCATION WE HAVE, UH, DFW AND IN DALLAS, IN THE UNITED STATES, MORE LIKE CENTRAL LOCATION, THE EAST COAST AND WEST COAST, YOU KNOW, IS EASY TO REACH. 
          AND ALSO OUR BUSINESS FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT. 
          WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, TRYING TO BUILD, UH, ENVIRONMENT THAT EASIER TO ATTRACT BUSINESS. 
          THOSE BANKS, VANESSA IN INSTITUTION, THOSE YOU, OLD STREET, THEY ALL WANT TO MOVE HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE A BUSINESS FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT AND DATA CENTER DEFINITELY HELPED THAT. 
          AND ALSO, UH, THE REGION HAS A GROWING POPULATION, DEFINITELY A GROWING ECONOMY. 
          IT'S VERY ATTRACTIVE BECAUSE THAT'S MAKE THEM WANT TO BE CLOSER. 
          UM, TO THE DATA CENTER IS MORE LIKE A DIGITAL INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, IT'S LOWER COST. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF ENERGY IN TEXAS A WHOLE, THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH DALLAS. 
          THIS IS THE, THE ENERGY IS ACROSS THE, UH, REGION, ACROSS THE STATE. 
          IT'S A REGIONAL ISSUE, A STATEWIDE ISSUE. 
          AND ALSO IT'S CLOSE END USER. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF COMPANY LOCATED HERE CURRENTLY. 
          A LOT COMPANY WANT TO MOVE HERE. 
          AND THAT BEING CLOSE TO THE USER IS VERY IMPORTANT. 
          AND ALSO WE HAVE A ROBUST FIBER AND INTERNET CONNECTIVITY INFRASTRUCTURE AND THAT'S ALSO IMPORTANT FOR THESE BUSINESSES AND DATA CENTER WANT TO BE HERE. 
          UH, WE ALL HAVE SOME BUT NOT A LOT. 
          BUT, UH, VACANT BUILDINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME OF THOSE LOCATED DOWNTOWN, SOME OF THOSE LOCATED IN IN THE OTHER AREA. 
          UH, WE WEEKEND, UM, SHOPPING CENTERS, ALL OF THAT, UH, PROVIDE SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT REUSE. 
          UM, WE JUST ALREADY MENTIONED THAT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF GREENLAND REQUIRED FOR THAT HYPERSCALE, BUT WE DO HAVE DIFFERENT DATA CENTER HAVE BEEN EVOLVED OVER THE YEARS. 
          UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          I'M GONNA TURN OVER TO BRITA. 
          SO ON SLIDE SIX YOU CAN SEE A MAP OF THE KNOWN DATA FACILITIES IN DALLAS. 
          SO WE HAVE 23 KNOWN DATA CENTER FACILITIES WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. 
          AND WE'RE USING THIS TERM KNOWN INTENTIONALLY. 
          UH, THIS IS A BASE LINE, IT WAS BUILT FROM CITY AND INDUSTRY SOURCES. 
          SO NOT A CLAIM THAT WE HAVE 
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CAPTURED EVERY FACILITY OR EVERYTHING THAT MIGHT BE BEING PROPOSED, BUT IT GIVES US A STARTING POINT FOR UNDERSTANDING DALLAS'S DATA CENTER FOOTPRINT AND WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED. 
          ON SLIDE SEVEN, UH, WE WERE ASKED TO PROVIDE THE DC AD TAX VALUATION FOR THIS LIST OF 23 KNOWN DATA CENTERS. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE 23 KNOWN DATA CENTER FACILITIES HAVE A COMBINED VALUATION OF ABOUT 1.47 BILLION AND GENERATED ROUGHLY 10.3 MILLION IN CITY PROPERTY TAX REVENUE LAST YEAR. 
          AND THE RESIDENTIAL EQUIVALENCY IS PROVIDED AS A REFERENCE POINT SINCE WE TYPICALLY TALK ABOUT TAX VALUATION IN TERMS OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THE HORSESHOE. 
          I'LL HAND THINGS BACK TO EMILY. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          AND NEXT SLIDE. 
          NOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING FUN, . 
          SO THE PICTURE HERE ON THE UPPER LEVEL IS ACTUALLY TAKEN FROM MY, UM, OFFICE WINDOW AND ACROSS FROM Y STREET. 
          WE ALL RECOGNIZE ONE BUILDING AND THAT'S A LIBRARY, ACTUALLY. 
          EVERYTHING ELSE ELSE ON THAT BLOCK, IT'S A DATA CENTER. 
          UH, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR TWO AND A HALF YEAR WALK TO THE AT AND T EXCHANGE FOR LUNCH. 
          AND FOR THE FIRST TWO YEAR, NO, NO IDEA WHAT THIS WAS, I PASSED BY THAT ALL THE TIME, BUT JUST RECENTLY, BECAUSE YOU ASKED ME TO DO SOME RESEARCH, I START PAYING ATTENTION. 
          THAT IS ACTUALLY A DATA CENTER. 
          IT WAS ORIGINAL, BUILT IN 1921 AS A FEDERAL RESERVE BUILDING. 
          AND THEN, UH, IN 1950 THEY DID SOME ADDITION IN 1970S, THAT BUILDING, THE ORIGINAL BUILDING WAS LANDMARK AS A LOCAL HISTORIC BUILDING. 
          AND THEN IN THE 1990S, THE FEDERAL RESERVE DECIDED TO MOVE OUT OF THIS BUILDING AND MOVE TO THE CURRENT LOCATION. 
          IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS WAKING FOR A LITTLE BIT IN THE 19, UH, 20, NO, 2012. 
          AND UH, ANOTHER COMPANY BOUGHT US AND TURNED IT INTO A DATA CENTER. 
          I TELL YOU THIS IS PROBABLY THE SAFEST DATA CENTER IN THE DALLAS BECAUSE IT WAS BUILT FOR A BANK, A RESERVE, UH, SO IT WAS A LIMESTONE BUILDING AND ALSO ALL THE EQUIPMENT INSIDE. 
          UH, INTERESTING. 
          NEXT TIME YOU PASS THIS, UH, IT'S A DATA CENTER. 
          AND WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN TO MY COLLEAGUE WAYNE POWER. 
          I WANT TO RECOGNIZE HIM. 
          HE DID A LOT OF RESEARCH. 
          THE REASON WE CAN BE HERE WITH ALL THIS GRAPHIC, ALL THIS RESEARCH, BECAUSE HE DID ALL THE RESEARCH. 
          I WANT TO RECOGNIZE HIM, AND HE AND I ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THESE EXAMPLES TOGETHER. 
          WE VISITED ALL THESE SIDES, THE TWO OF US, UH, TAKE PICTURES AND MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          SO, WAYNE, TAKE OVER. 
          UH, THANK YOU, DIRECTOR LOU. 
          UM, BEEN REALLY INTERESTED IN GETTING TO LOOK INTO THE DATA CENTER ISSUE AND, YOU KNOW, I, I GET TO WAKE UP AND COME TO WORK IN THE CITY. 
          I LOVE AND DO THINGS THAT I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT, AND I'M CERTAINLY GRATEFUL FOR THE, THE OPPORTUNITY AND REALLY GRATEFUL TO GET TO TALK ABOUT DATA CENTERS WITH YOU ALL TODAY AS WELL. 
          CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR TITLE AND, UH, YOUR PO WHAT YOUR POSITION HERE IS AT THE CITY? YES, SIR. 
          I'M A CITY PLANNER. 
          I'M A SENIOR PLANNER ON THE COMMUNITY PLANNING TEAM. 
          UH, AND I AM A MEMBER OF THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF CERTIFIED PLANNERS AS WELL. 
          UH, CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? UH, SO JUST A FEW EXAMPLES OF DATA CENTERS TO RUN BY Y'ALL. 
          UH, THIS IS ON BRYAN STREET RIGHT NEXT TO PLAZA OF THE AMERICAS. 
          IF Y'ALL HAVE EVER BEEN OUT THERE, UH, OPENED AS, OR BEGAN DATA CENTER OPERATIONS BACK IN 2004. 
          IT IS ONE OF THOSE CO-LOCATION FACILITIES THAT DIRECTOR LOU MENTIONED A LITTLE EARLIER. 
          UH, IT'S CONSIDERED A MAJOR POINT OF CONVERGENCE FOR FIBER INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE THE SOUTHWEST. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, AS, AS WE MENTIONED THAT CENTRAL LOCATION IN THE US THIS IS, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THOSE FACILITIES. 
          UH, AND IT'S CURRENTLY IN THAT DOWNTOWN CA ONE, A ZONING DISTRICT. 
          CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE AS WELL? SO THIS IS ONE OF THE ONES THAT I FELT WAS THE MOST INTERESTING JUST ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 6 35. 
          UH, THIS IS ANOTHER CO-LOCATION, DATA DATA CENTER, AND A REALLY INTERESTING EXAMPLE OF ADAPTIVE REUSE. 
          SO YOU COULD DRIVE BY, YOU WOULD THINK THAT MAYBE THAT'S A, A SHOPPING CENTER THAT HAD LOST SOME TENANTS, BUT IT ACTUALLY HAS BEEN CONVERTED INTO A DATA CENTER ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO. 
          AND IF YOU DRIVE AROUND, YOU'LL SEE THE, THE BURLINGTON COAT FACTORY IS STILL OPEN AND IT IS ATTACHED TO A DATA CENTER, SO YOU CAN GO FIND SOMEWHERE TO HAVE YOUR DATA PROCESSED AND THEN GO BUY SOME CLOTHES RIGHT AT THE, THE SAME FACILITY. 
          UM, BUT THIS IS IN A PD. 
          UH, AND IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, IT IS BASED ON MU THREE ZONING AND IT'S A SINGLE STORY FACILITY. 
          AND YEAH. 
          UH, UP TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, YOU THINK DATA CENTER IS A VERY BORING SUBJECT WHEN I FIND A LOT OF FUN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT. 
          AND ONE OF THEM, IT JUST DRIVE AROUND. 
          TAKE PICTURES IF YOU HAVE EVER DRIVE. 
          I'M PRETTY SURE 
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YOU HAVE DRIVE AROUND STEMMONS FREEWAY NORTHBOUND, RIGHT? YOU PASS THIS BUILDING, YOU JUST CANNOT MISS. 
          AND I WAS TOLD, UH, THAT WARD TREE CENTER IS IN THE VICINITY, AND OH, WE THOUGHT THIS IS WARD TREE CENTER WITH A GLASS, VERY, VERY LIBRARY BUILDING, GREAT ARCHITECTURE. 
          IT TURNED OUT TO BE A DATA CENTER, IS ONE OF THE OLDEST DATA CENTER IN THE CITY OF DALLAS AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST ONE CALLED INFOMART. 
          AND THEY WERE VERY SUCCESSFUL. 
          AND THEN RECENT YEAR THEY EXPANDED, THEY BUILT ANOTHER BUILDING, UH, BESIDE IT. 
          THAT BUILDING ACTUALLY LOOKS VERY TYPICAL DATA CENTER WITH SUNGLASSES UP FRONT. 
          EVERYTHING ELSE, IT JUST LIKE NO WINDOWS, BUT THIS IS BEAUTIFUL. 
          UM, SO NEXT TIME YOU PASS, YOU KNOW, UM, STEMS FREEWAY, YOU NOTICE THIS ONE IS A DATA CENTER AND IT'S ACTUALLY, UM, ZONED, UM, MU THREE, AND I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. 
          UH, WE DO A LOT OF DATA CENTER IN DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICT, AND THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT, UM, UH, IS BEING AROUND FOR A LONG TIME. 
          INFO MART IS KINDA THE SYMBOL OF THIS, UH, AND IT'S BEING, UH, A KINDA A LANDMARK FOR THIS AREA. 
          WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA TURN BACK TO WAYNE. 
          UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A RECENTLY DEVELOPED. 
          I BELIEVE THE SECOND PHASE IS JUST ABOUT FINISHED OR GETTING VERY CLOSE TO IT. 
          UH, SO THIS IS ON ROUNDTABLE DRIVE JUST OFF OF I 35. 
          UH, SO IT'S TWO FACILITIES. 
          PHASE ONE HAS BEEN COMPLETED. 
          UH, THE SECOND PHASE IS JUST ABOUT FINISHED. 
          AND THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE THAT WE LOOKED AT BECAUSE IT'S IN AN, AN IR ZONE AREA. 
          SO INDUSTRIAL ZONING VERSUS SEVERAL OF THE OTHERS THAT WE'LL SEE THAT ARE IN MU THREE AND, UH, DOWNTOWN AS WELL, UH, ONTO THE NEXT, UM, THE NEXT ONE IS ACTUALLY BEING CONSTRUCTED AS WE SPEAK, AND WE DO GATHER A LOT OF, UM, REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION ABOUT THIS ONE. 
          SO IT IS LOCATED ON MOCKINGBIRD, 1550, UH, WEST MOCKINGBIRD. 
          UH, THIS, UH, APPLICATION WAS IN PERMITTING APPLICATION WAS IN IN NOVEMBER LAST YEAR. 
          AND THE PERMIT WAS ISSUED ABOUT A FEW MONTHS LATER IN MARCH. 
          UM, THIS IS, UH, PHASE ONE OF, UH, A THREE PHASE PROJECT. 
          UH, THE FIRST PHASE, ABOUT 372,000 SQUARE FEET, AND ARE LOOKING AT THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE WE CHARGE THE PERMITTING FEE BY THE COST OF THE CONSTRUCTION. 
          THE FIRST PHASE IS 900 MAILING DOLLARS FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          IT'S STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA TAKE ANOTHER YEAR FOR IT TO COMPLETE AN OPERATIONAL. 
          SO WHATEVER THE, THE $900,900 MILLION HAS NOT BEEN TRANSLATED INTO THE, UH, TEXTUAL YET, LIKE BRITA TALKED ABOUT EARLY BECAUSE IT'S STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          ONE MORE. 
          SO FEW EXAMPLES OF HYPERSCALE DATA CENTERS. 
          THAT THIRD CATEGORY THAT DIRECTOR LOU MENTIONED, UH, THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF CURRENTLY IN DALLAS. 
          UH, SO THE FIRST IS THE META METADATA CENTER, UH, THAT, UH, FORT WORTH HAS APPROVED. 
          UH, IT'S TOTALING 170 ACRES. 
          YOU CAN SEE, UH, RENDERING OF IT THERE ON THE SCREEN. 
          UH, ANOTHER ONE, AND THIS IS ALSO IN THE DFW AREA. 
          IT'S GONNA BE DOWN IN RED OAK, AND THAT'S AT 300 TOTAL ACRES OF DEVELOPMENT, A VERY LARGE CAMPUS FACILITY. 
          SO NOT JUST ONE BUILDING, BUT LOTS OF LARGE BUILDINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE AIR, LOOKS LIKE A HUGE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT. 
          IT'S ONE DATA CENTER CAMPUS ONTO THE NEXT, SO A COUPLE MORE ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          AND, UH, JUST PAY ATTENTION TO THE AMOUNT OF ACREAGE, UH, THAT'S BEING ALLOCATED FOR THESE HUGE, HUGE DEVELOPMENTS. 
          SO, UH, THAT ONE IN FORT WORTH WAS AT ONE 70. 
          THIS, UH, ONE IS, UH, GOT A LITTLE BIT OF NATIONAL NOTORIETY OUT IN ABILENE. 
          IT'S THE STARGATE FACILITY. 
          IT'S AT 1100 TOTAL ACRES, UH, FOR THE ENTIRE CAMPUS. 
          AND I BELIEVE IT IS OPENAI PARTNERING WITH ORACLE ON THAT, ALTHOUGH DOUBLE CHECK THAT I, I DO BELIEVE THOSE ARE THE, THE BUILDERS. 
          UH, THE NEXT IS THE METADATA CENTER OUT IN KANSAS CITY. 
          AND AGAIN, THIS IS 900 ACRES, SO SEVERAL TIMES LARGER THAN THAT BIG FACILITY DOWN IN FORT WORTH. 
          AND, UH, THIS IS JUST ONE BUILDING FROM THAT CAMPUS. 
          THERE ARE SEVERAL MORE FOR THAT ONE AS WELL. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UH, DID YOU WANNA GO? UM, I WILL TALK, UH, ACTUALLY GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT THIS ONE. 
          WOULD I SWITCH THE NEXT ONE? GO AHEAD. 
          SURE THING. 
          SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW OF THE REGULATORY ACTION IN TEXAS. 
          UH, I'M SURE Y'ALL HAVE READ SOME 
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OF THE NEWS THAT'S COME OUT AROUND IT. 
          SO A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO, UH, TEXAS PASSED SENATE BILL SIX, WHICH CREATED A REGULATORY FRAMEWORK FOR THOSE LARGE LOADS. 
          AND WE REFER TO THE LARGE LOADS ARE, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO CONNECT THE GRID AND USE A LOT OF ELECTRICITY. 
          UH, SENATE BILL SIX IS FOCUSED ON OVER 75 MEGAWATTS. 
          UH, WE HAD EARLIER THIS YEAR, BACK IN JUNE, THE GOVERNOR ISSUED AN NOT AN EXECUTIVE ORDER, AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTIVE LETTER, UH, DIRECTING THE PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSION OF TEXAS AND ERCOT TO TAKE ACTIONS TO PROTECT RESIDENTIAL RATE PAYERS AND, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE RESOURCE COSTS ARE MANAGED. 
          AND THEN JUST RECENTLY LAST MONTH, UH, THE GOVERNOR FOLLOWED UP ON THAT AND DIRECTED, UH, THE PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSION AND ERCOT AS WELL TO AUDIT DATA CENTER PROJECTS, UH, BEFORE ALLOWING ANY ADDITIONAL INTERCONNECTIONS TO THE GRID. 
          UH, AND WE'RE EXPECTING DURING THE UPCOMING LEGISLATIVE SESSION, SEVERAL COMMITTEES ARE GONNA BE DISCUSSING DATA CENTERS. 
          SO IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE REALLY KEEPING OUR EYES GLUED TO, TO SEE WHAT KIND OF ACTION THE STATE IS POTENTIALLY GOING TO BE TAKING IN THE FUTURE. 
          NEXT SET, PLEASE. 
          UH, SO WE'VE BEEN NOT ONLY LOOKING AT OURSELF OR LOOKING AT SOME CITY ACROSS THE COUNTRY, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ALL THE PLANNING DIRECTORS, ALL THE BIG CITY PLANNING DIRECTLY FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS. 
          THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE, IT'S AN INTEREST HERE. 
          EVERYBODY WANT TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          SO WE'RE LEARNING FROM EACH OTHER. 
          SO, UH, YOU'RE PROBABLY ALREADY AWARE, SOMETHING HAPPENING IN FORT WORTH. 
          UH, THEY, UH, RIGHT NOW IS IN THE INITIAL STAGES OF STARTING A 90 DAY MORATORIUM PROCESS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. 
          YOU CANNOT JUST HAVE A MORATORIUM RIGHT AWAY. 
          YOU HAVE TO INITIATE THAT PROCESS. 
          TAKES TIME. 
          WE HAVE OUR ATTORNEY HERE TO STANDBY IN CASE YOU HAVE MORE QUESTION ABOUT THAT. 
          AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO IN THE PROCESS EVALUATING, UH, THEIR REGULATION. 
          THEY HAVE NOT PASSED YET, UH, BECAUSE NOW THEY HAVE MORATORIUM, UH, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE ADDING SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT. 
          ONE OF THEM, THEY REQUIRE, UH, THE PUBLIC TITI COMMISSION TO PROVIDE APPROVAL LETTER IF THEY MOVE FORWARD. 
          AND THEN THEY ALSO CREATE, UH, 11 MEMBER ADVISORY, UH, COMMITTEE, UH, COMMITTEE. 
          THIS ONLY HAPPENS LAST FEW, UH, WEEKS ABOUT THE MONTHS AGO. 
          AND THEN LAST WEEK AFTER ALL OF THAT, THEY, UH, THEY APPROVED THE $10 BILLION DATA CENTER IN THE CITY OF FORWARD. 
          SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CHANGES VERY QUICKLY. 
          STATE OF ATLANTA, UH, USED TO BE THE ABSOLUTELY DATA CENTER MARKET, THE TOP THREE. 
          AND, UH, THEY DO NOT, UH, GO TO THE MORATORIUM ROUTE. 
          AND THEY DO HAVE SOME STANDARDS IN PLAY THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW, BUT THEY'RE ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF INTRODUCING A DATA CENTER TASK FORCE AS WE SPEAK, SO THEY CAN DEVELOP A LITTLE BIT MORE DATA CENTER RELATED REGULATION OR STANDARDS. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UM, SO NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO WHAT IS THE CURRENT DALLAS ZONING REGULATION ON DATA CENTER? I CAN TELL YOU WE DO NOT HAVE A, YOU KNOW, DATA CENTER AS A SEPARATE LAND USE. 
          I THOUGHT THEY JUST US, AS WE'RE TALKING TO ALL THESE CITIES, CROSS COUNTRY, IT'S ACTUALLY VERY TYPICAL. 
          MY FORMER CITY CALLED IT, UH, UH, TELECOMMUNICATION HOTEL. 
          SOME OTHER CITY HAS TO DO WITH SOMETHING COMMUNICATION. 
          SO, UM, IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, DATA CENTER IS ACTUALLY CURRENTLY CLASSIFIED UNDER COMMUNICATION EXCHANGE FOR CITY, WHICH IS A SUBCATEGORY OF LOCAL UTILITIES. 
          UH, AS I, UH, YOU REMEMBER I TALK ABOUT THAT PROJECT ON MOCKINGBIRD. 
          THEY CAME IN NOT AS DATA CENTER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A CATEGORY. 
          THEY CAME IN AS A LOCAL UTILITY, AS A LAND USE CATEGORY. 
          SO SOMETIME PEOPLE ASK ME HOW MANY DATA CENTER YOU HAVE, I HAVE TO GO AND LOOK FOR RIGHT NOW. 
          THAT'S JUST HOW IT WORKS. 
          AND ACTUALLY IT'S PRETTY TYPICAL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          THE ONE THAT I MENTIONED, THE MOCKINGBIRD, THAT WAS THE LATEST PERMIT WE GAVE OUT FOR DATA CENTER. 
          AND ALSO I JUST CHECK, UH, YESTERDAY. 
          THAT IS, UH, ABSOLUTELY THE LATEST ONE. 
          UH, NEXT ONE PLEASE. 
          AND I'M NOT GONNA GET ALL THE DETAILS. 
          SO, DATA CENTER ARE ALLOWED IN MOST OF THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. 
          THEY ARE ALLOWED IN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT. 
          WE HAVE QUITE A FEW IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, WHICH IS, UM, CENTRAL AIR DISTRICT. 
          WE ACTUALLY HAVE A CLUSTER OF SIX, UH, DATA CENTER IN DOWNTOWN. 
          UH, SO THAT IS ALLOWED BY WRIGHT. 
          AND THEN SOME OF THE MIXED USE DISTRICT AND ALSO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, UM, OFFICE AND RETAIL. 
          THERE ARE SOME RESTRICTIONS IN TERMS OF SIZE FOR RETAIL. 
          IN COMMUNITY RETAIL, WHICH IS THE LOWEST INTENSITY RETAIL USE, UH, ZONING DISTRICT. 
          YOU CANNOT EXCEED 50,000 
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SQUARE FEET. 
          SO THERE'S SOME RESTRICTION THERE. 
          AND THEN SOME PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, IF THEY ALLOW INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL OR MIXED USE, THEY ALSO ALLOW DATA CENTER AS SOME OF THE PROJECT I MENTIONED EARLIER. 
          THEY'RE IN THE PD DISTRICT. 
          NEXT ONE PLEASE. 
          AND SO THERE'S, UH, ALSO OTHER, UH, RELATED, UH, STANDARDS, BUT THEY'RE NOT UNIQUE TO DATA CENTER, UH, BECAUSE DATA CENTER ALSO REQUIRE LIKE ALL THESE OTHER, UM, EQUIPMENT, BACKUP POWER STORAGE. 
          SO THERE ARE SOMETHING RELATED TO THAT AS PART OF THE, UH, ACCESSORY EQUIPMENT THAT ARE REGULATED SEPARATELY. 
          NEXT ONE, PLEASE. 
          THERE'S ALSO, CURRENTLY THERE'S NOISE, UM, REGULATION THAT GOVERN THIS. 
          SO IT IS VERY GENERIC. 
          ALL OF THESE, UM, ACTUALLY, UH, ARE STANDARDS, NOISE REGULATION. 
          UM, SO WE DID CHECK WITH OUR, UH, CODE, UH, COMPLIANCE DEPARTMENT. 
          WE GIVE THEM A LIST OF 23 DATA CENTER. 
          WE IDENTIFIED. 
          WE ASKED THEM IF THEY HAVE SEEN ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THIS, ESPECIALLY NOISE. 
          UH, WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT PEOPLE SAYING ONE OF THE IMPACT IS NOISE, AND THEY DID IDENTIFY ONE COMPLAINT, BUT THEN, UH, THEY INVESTIGATE BUT DID NOT FIND ANY VIOLATION. 
          SO WE DID CHECK ABOUT THAT. 
          NEXT ONE, PLEASE. 
          UM, AND THIS IS SOMETHING I NEED TO FEEDBACK. 
          AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, ONE OF THE, UM, THE PURPOSE OF MEETING TO SEEK INPUT FROM YOU AND THEN SOME DIRECT FROM NEXT STEP, UH, AS PART OF DALLAS ZONING REFORM, WE INCLUDE A LOT OF THINGS. 
          THE SCHOOL IS GONNA BE PART OF THAT, AND THEN A LOT OF OTHER THINGS GOING PART OF THAT. 
          SO AS PART OF ZONING REFORM, WE ARE CURRENT REVIEWING THE DEFINITION OF COMMUNITY EXCHANGE FACILITY TO DETERMINE IF ANY AMENDMENT IS NEEDED, IS MORE LIKELY'S GONNA BE NEEDED. 
          WE THROUGH IN THE PROCESS DOING THAT, SOME OTHER CITY, UH, SOME OF THOSE STARTED, UH, AMENDING THEIR CODE TO INCREASE SOME STANDARDS IN THERE. 
          ONE OF THEM IS VERY IMPORTANT HOW FAR IT IS FROM RESIDENTIAL USE OR RESIDENTIAL ZONING AND, UH, LANDSCAPING BUFFERS, UH, NOISE AND LIGHTING RESTRICTED AND SO FORTH. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING, UH, WE CAN WORK ON AS PART OF DALLAS ZONING REFORM. 
          OF COURSE, THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME DIRECTION FROM YOU AND SOME GUIDANCE, UH, IF YOU DESIRE, UH, THIS CODE AMENDMENT CAN BE EXPEDITED, UM, AHEAD OF THE LARGEST ZONING REFORM TIMELINE. 
          SO, UH, WITH THAT, I WANT YOU TO KNOW WE DO HAVE A APPENDIX, UM, AT THE VERY END, UH, LISTED ALL THE 23 DATA CENTERS THAT WE, UH, COMPILE FROM DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. 
          UH, I WANT TO KNOW THAT WAYNE AND I, UH, PERSONALLY VISITED EIGHT OF THEM. 
          TOOK THE PICTURE WE PRESENTED TO THE, TO YOU AND ALSO OTHER STAFF HAVE VISITED ALL THESE OTHER 15 ONES. 
          WE HAVE ALL 23 OF THESE DATA CENTER. 
          WE HAVE SOMEBODY GO THERE AND TAKE A PICTURE AND VERIFY. 
          SO THIS IS A LIST. 
          AND BY NO MEANS, THIS IS A COMPLETE LIST BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO USE SOME, UH, SOME CRITERIA. 
          THESE ARE RELATIVELY LARGE. 
          UH, ONE EXAMPLE IS THERE'S A ONE SMALLER DATA CENTER, UM, IN THE ONE, UH, CALLED ONE MAIN, UH, PLACE, UH, THE 1201 MAIN STREET HISTORIC BUILDING. 
          IT'S A HOTEL, IT'S A RESTAURANT, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE A DATA CENTER IN THERE. 
          BUT IT'S VERY SMALL. 
          IT'S LESS THAN 10,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          WE DID NOT INCLUDE THAT ON THIS LIST. 
          SO WITH THAT, UH, WE ARE BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN SOME QUESTIONS, GET SOME DIRECTIONS, AND HERE YOUR PERSPECTIVES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SEEING NO QUESTIONS? NO, JUST, JUST KIDDING. 
          . 
          . 
          UM, I, I KNOW YOU GUYS PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THIS, SO THANK YOU. 
          UM, IN MY OPINION, THIS CONVERSATION SHOULD NOT BE ABOUT BEING AGAINST, UH, FOR OR AGAINST DATA CENTERS. 
          IT SHOULD BE ABOUT BEING INFORMED, THOUGHTFUL, AND RESPONSIBLE DATA. 
          SITERS ARE A CRITICAL PART OF OUR ECONOMY AND OUR DAILY LIVES. 
          OUR HOSPITALS, BANKS, BUSINESSES, EMERGENCY SERVICES AND SMART TRAFFIC SIGNALS ALL DEPEND ON DATA AND AI. 
          THEY CAN ALSO BRING JOBS, INVESTMENT, ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES TO DALLAS, BUT WE DO NEED TO AND HAVE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS. 
          HOW MUCH WATER WILL THEY USE? HOW MUCH ELECTRICITY WILL THEY REQUIRE? WHO PAYS FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE? AND WHAT DOES THAT DEMAND MEAN FOR RELIABILITY AND AFFORDABILITY? FOR THESE RESOURCES? FOR OUR DALLAS RESIDENTS, DALLAS ALSO PROVIDES WATER TO MORE THAN 20 CITIES. 
          CITIES ACROSS THE REGION. 
          WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT OUR LONG-TERM WATER. 
          THE STATE OF TEXAS IS NOW LOOKING AT ESTABLISHING NEW PARAMETERS FOR DATA CENTERS DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE STANDARDS MEAN FOR DALLAS. 
          I'M NOT HERE TO SAY YES OR NO TODAY. 
          PERHAPS THE PATH IS LOOKING AT A DATA CENTER TASK FORCE. 
          WITH THAT, WE WILL GO AHEAD 
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AND OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS FOR OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS FIRST, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO NON COMMITTEE MEMBERS. 
          WITH THAT CHAIR. 
          GRACIE, THANK YOU CHAIR, AND THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION. 
          THIS IS, UH, IT, IT'S ALL INTERESTING TO ME. 
          UM, UH, BOTH THE CONTROVERSY SURROUNDING THEM, WHAT THEY DO, UH, AND AND HOW THEY BENEFIT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US AND OUR PHONES AND ALL OF THAT STUFF. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION. 
          I, I, I WAS GONNA ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT THE LIST OF THEM, BUT THEY HAVE 'EM. 
          WHAT I DO WANT TO TRY TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF IS, I THINK YOU SAID THERE WERE 23 OF THOSE 23 FACILITIES IDENTIFIED IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. 
          IT, UH, REPRESENTED ABOUT $10.3 MILLION IN, IN REVENUE FROM THERE, THE ONLY OTHER PIECE I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE IS KIND OF, IF IT'S POSSIBLE BASED ON THE SIZE, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M SURE IT, IT VARIES IN, IN THE TAX RATE, BUT JUST KIND OF WHAT THE SCALE IS IN TERMS OF THE SIZE OF THE CONTRIBUTION, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          UM, NO QUESTION. 
          JUST THE ADDITIONAL, UH, REQUEST, IF IT'S POSSIBLE, UM, IF YOU HAVE THAT BROKEN DOWN BY, BY THE, THE LOCATIONS. 
          JUST TO CLARIFY, CHAIR GRACIE, YOU'RE ASKING FOR LIKE THE INDIVIDUAL TAX LINE FOR EACH? YEAH, IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE IT, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN GET YOU. 
          I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME, BUT WE CAN GET THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COUNCIL MEMBER BLAIR, UM, UH, ROBIN, MS. BENTLEY, SHE, SHE ACTUALLY REMINDED ME THAT I ACTUALLY WORKED IN A DATA CENTER AND I DIDN'T EVEN, I FORGOT ALL ABOUT IT. 
           AND I ACTUALLY WAS ON THE FLOOR OF OUR MAINFRAMES. 
          VERY COLD, EXTREMELY COLD. 
          YOU MAY NOT HEAR THE HUM ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT YOU SURE HEAR THE HUM ON THE INSIDE. 
          SO, UM, A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT I FORGOT, BECAUSE IT WAS JUST, THIS IS THE WAY WE DO THINGS, UH, WHEN I, YOU KNOW, WORKED AT AT AND T AND I WAS IN IT, AND I WAS ON THE, THE FLOOR THAT OUR MAINFRAMES WERE IN. 
          SO I THINK WE WERE IN, IF YOU GO BACK TO PAGE FOUR, UM, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE CO-LOCATE, WELL, THE ONE WHERE, WHERE WE WERE, UM, THEY WERE ALL IN THE SAME BUILDING. 
          WE WERE SUPPLIED, BUT IT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE WE SUPPLIED, WE, WE SUPPLIED EVERYONE'S, UM, IT FUNCTIONS YOUR CELL PHONE FUNCTIONS. 
          SO WE'VE SUPPLIED ALL OF YOUR EMAIL. 
          UM, SO I, I GUESS I DID WORK IN A DATA CENTER AND I JUST FORGOT BECAUSE THE, WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW TODAY IS VASTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE WERE DOING BACK THEN. 
          UM, I DO, AND WHAT WE ARE DOING, WHAT WE ARE SEEING TODAY, I, I'M REALLY INQUISITIVE HOW OUR LEGISLATIVE BODIES ARE FEELING ABOUT THE NEW FOUND, ESPECIALLY THE HYPER, WHAT WERE THE HYPER SCALE DATA CENTERS. 
          UM, AND I DO NOTICE THAT THEY ARE MOSTLY SEEN IN THE, IN, IN THE IR IM, UM, OR ZONING CLASSIFICATION, ALTHOUGH YOU CAN SEE OF SMALLER ONES IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. 
          SO I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING HOW WE, I DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, BUT I CAN SEE WHERE, BECAUSE I HAVE THE INLAND PORT IN A LOT OF THE WEAR WAREHOUSES, WHAT IT MAY LOOK LIKE ON A LARGER SCALE. 
          BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT THE PARAMETERS WOULD BE, UM, SCALABILITY, UM, CHALLENGES AND, AND, AND IT WOULD BE A WAY TO REPURPOSE SOME OF THE WAREHOUSING OR WAREHOUSES THAT HAVE NO, THAT NO LONGER ARE BEING UTILIZED AS A WAREHOUSE INTO A NEW OPPORTUNITY. 
          AND ESPECIALLY TO, TO CHANGE FROM TRUCK TRAFFIC TO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          BUT I WOULD ALSO LOVE TO SEE, UM, JOB OPPORTUNITIES, UM, NOT NOT JUST JOB, BUT CAREER OPPORTUNITIES. 
          UM, AND WHAT ARE THE, THE RATE OF THE RATE OF PER HOUR FOR ALL TYPES OF TIERS OF EMPLOYMENT. 
          AND IF THEY'RE CAREER TYPE OF JOBS, WHAT'S THE LONGEVITY? UM, ARE THEY CAREERS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET AND RETIRE FROM, OR ARE THERE JOBS THAT YOU'RE JUST GONNA GET PER AND GET OUT HER HOURLY WAGES FROM. 
          THANK YOU. 
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COUNCIL MEMBER WEST. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, CHAIR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IN, FIRST OF ALL, THANKS TO CHAIR MORENO FOR BRINGING THIS TO THE COMMITTEE, AND THANK YOU FOR STAFF FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          IN GENERAL, I BELIEVE DALLAS NEEDS TO EMBRACE TECHNOLOGY AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE BEING THE MOST WELCOMING CITY IN THE US FOR NEW BUSINESSES. 
          UM, I APPRECIATE DR. 
          AND CHECK POINTING OUT THAT 23 OF THESE DATA CENTERS ARE ALREADY EXISTING IN THE CITY, PROVIDING DATA FOR DATA SERVICES, I GUESS FOR OTHER SMALL BUSINESSES, JOBS, AND VERY MUCH NEEDED $10 MILLION IN TAX REVENUE PER YEAR. 
          , WHICH WE WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY FIND OUT TOMORROW, WE COULD USE ABOUT 10 TIMES THAT OR MORE. 
          UM, SO MY CONCERNS HERE, UH, CENTER ON THE EXPLOSIVE GROWTH, UM, WITHOUT ANY REALLY THOUGHT FOR PLANNING, WHICH IS WHY I'M GLAD WE HAVE OUR PLANNERS AT THE TABLE NOW. 
          THAT'S WHY I JOINED FOUR OF MY COLLEAGUES IN REQUESTING THE ZONING REVIEW OF, OF THE APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR NEW DATA CENTERS TO GO. 
          UM, AS THIS INDUSTRY CONTINUES TO EXPLODE, LIKE IT'S DOING RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SOMEWHERE IN THIS PRESENTATION, UM, UH, DIRECTOR I DO SUPPORT EXPEDITING THE ZONING REVIEW, UM, THROUGH ZO, OAC AND CPC OF THIS PARTICULAR CATEGORY OF USE. 
          UM, OKAY, WHAT ELSE? SO AS MY COLLEAGUES HAVE BROUGHT UP, I THINK QUITE WELL SO FAR, UM, THIS TOPIC CENTERS ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, TAX REVENUE, ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS, DEVELOPMENT AND PERMITTING. 
          UM, YOU'VE MENTIONED HOW THAT FORT WORTH ON SLIDE 20 HAS STARTED THIS 11 MEMBER ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          AND I THINK CHAIR MORENO MENTIONED EARLIER THAT HE WOULD SUPPORT A TASK FORCE. 
          I, I'D WANT TO JOIN HIM IN SAYING I WOULD SUPPORT A TASK FORCE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND I WOULD JUST ASK THAT IF THE CHAIR WOULD BE WILLING THAT THEY BRING THEIR RECOMMENDATION BACK TO US ON WHO WOULD COMPOSE THAT. 
          'CAUSE I THINK IT, IT NEEDS TO BE A DIVERSE GROUP OF NEIGHBORS, ENVIRONMENTAL PEOPLE, USERS IN THE INDUSTRY, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          AND I'M NOT QUALIFIED TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION, BUT HOPEFULLY THEY ARE. 
          UM, AND THEN ON THE MORATORIUM, I, I MEAN THE MAIN CONCERN I HEAR FROM MY RESIDENTS AND WHEN THEY THINK OF DATA CENTERS, THEY THINK OF THE REALLY BIG ONE. 
          THE, WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? THE HYPER HYPERSCALE. 
          HYPERSCALE, LIKE THE A HUNDRED ACRES. 
          THERE'S NOWHERE IN MY DISTRICT THAT'S THAT BIG, BUT I'M THINKING SOME, IN SOME PARTS OF THE CITY, WE COULD BE BUILDING THOSE. 
          AND SO IF WE DO A MORATORIUM FOR, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THAT WOULD BE THE ONE, THAT TYPE OF USE WOULD BE THE MORATORIUM AS OPPOSED TO THE, SOME OF THE SMALLER ONES THAT HAVE BEEN EXISTING ACROSS THE STREET FOREVER. 
          I THINK WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I'D WANT TO PUT A MORATORIUM IN. 
          I I, I'D WANNA LEARN MORE BEFORE I JOIN A MORATORIUM ON THAT. 
          THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, VICE CHAIR RIDLEY. 
          SO I'VE HAD A QUESTION ABOUT NOISE ISSUES WITH DATA CENTERS. 
          SINCE THESE ARE DIGITAL OPERATIONS, WHAT ACTUALLY GENERATES NOISE THAT'S APPARENT OUTSIDE THE FOUR WALLS OF THE BUILDINGS? IT'S A VERY TECHNICAL QUESTION. 
          I WISH WE HAVE EXPERT ON THAT, BUT I CAN JUST TELL YOU ABOUT MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. 
          WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE WE WERE INVITED TO ONE OF THE DATA CENTER, ONE NEW DATA CENTER, NOT IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, BUT IN PLANO. 
          SO WE WENT AND VISITED THAT ONE RATHER. 
          AND THAT SECOND PHASE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE GOOD, GOOD DATA CENTER, SOME OF THE DATA CENTER? THEY ARE, THEY ARE. 
          OH YEAH. 
          ACTUALLY, MAYBE LET ME JUST TELL ABOUT MY EXPERIENCE THERE. 
          JUST MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, NOT FROM THE TECHNICAL ASPECT. 
          UM, THEY ARE BUILDING A BUILDING WITHIN A BUILDING. 
          SO BASICALLY THEY HAVE A BUILDING ABOUT NINE INCHES, UH, WIDE CONCRETE. 
          AND THEN THEY HAVE A HALLWAY AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS, UH, A DATA CENTER. 
          THEY CALLED WHITESPACE. 
          THAT'S WHERE THE SERVERS ARE HOUSED. 
          IF YOU GET INTO THE SERVER, THAT ROOM IS PRETTY NOISY. 
          I THINK IT WAS LIKE 75 ISH DECIBELS. 
          BUT IF YOU STEP TWO WALLS OUTSIDE, YOU DON'T HEAR VERY MUCH. 
          I HAVE THE IT DIRECTOR HERE, JEFFREY IS EXPERT ON THAT, AND HE CAN EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT BETTER. 
          HELLO, JEFF STOVALL, THE CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICER. 
          UH, TO ADDRESS THE QUESTION OF WHERE NOISE COMES FROM A DATA CENTER, TYPICALLY IN A DATA CENTER, YOU HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF HEAT EXCHANGE UNITS THAT SIT ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE DATA CENTER. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO THAT'S WHERE WATER IS BEING USED TO. 
          COOL. 
          UH, THE FLUIDS THAT ARE U THAT ARE USED INTERNAL 
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TO THE, OR THE DATA CENTER IN ORDER TO KEEP IT COOL. 
          SO YOU HAVE LARGE AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEMS, LARGE HVA SYSTEMS WHICH OPERATE THERE, BUT THE COOLING SYSTEMS EXIST ON THE OUTSIDE. 
          THE COOLING SYSTEMS HAVE VERY LARGE FANS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. 
          AND THOSE FANS CAN GENERATE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF NOISE BECAUSE OF THE LARGE VOLUME THAT EXISTS FOR A DATA CENTER. 
          SO THAT LEADS TO MY NEXT QUESTION, WHICH IS, IS THERE NOT TECHNOLOGY TO ALLOW THESE COOLING SYSTEMS TO RECYCLE THE WATER THAT IS USED FOR COOLING PURPOSES WITHOUT REQUIRING MILLIONS OF GALLONS A MONTH USAGE? WELL, AS YOU SEE IN THE PRESENTATION, MANY OF THESE DATA CENTERS DO REQUIRE MILLIONS OF GALLONS A MONTH. 
          SOME OF THEM DO RE UH, USE RECYCLING TECHNOLOGIES IN ORDER TO REUSE THE WATER. 
          HOWEVER, THE COOLING TECHNOLOGY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR MOST DATA CENTERS IS EVAPORATIVE. 
          SO THERE'S A LARGE EVAPORATION ACTIVITY THAT GOES ON WITH THAT WATER IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO COOL IT ON THE OUTSIDE. 
          SO THERE'S EVAPORATIVE, UH, TECHNOLOGIES AS WELL AS OTHER COMPRESSOR BASED TECHNOLOGIES. 
          THE COMPRESSORS AND THE FANS CAN GENERATE THE, THE, UH, THE NOISE, BUT THERE'S ALMOST ALWAYS SOME LEVEL OF WATER CONSUMPTION. 
          WELL, UH, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A SUBJECT THAT WE NEED TO STUDY AND DEVELOP REGULATIONS TO DEAL WITH IT. 
          AND MY PRIORITIES ARE TO DEAL WITH THE EXTREME, UH, USAGE OF WATER AND ELECTRICITY, UH, BY THESE STATUS CENTERS. 
          AND IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO DEVELOP REGULATIONS THAT REQUIRE RECYCLING OF WATER OR REQUIRE ONSITE ELECTRIC GENERATION TO SUPPLY ALL OR MOST OF THEIR ELECTRICITY NEEDS, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT. 
          THESE ARE NOT GOING AWAY. 
          THEY'RE A WAVE OF THE FUTURE, UH, JUST LIKE TELEPHONE EXCHANGES WERE A HUNDRED YEARS AGO. 
          SO WE HAVE TO LEARN TO LIVE WITH THEM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE CAN'T ALLOW THEM TO ENDANGER THE RELIABILITY OF OUR ELECTRIC GRID OR OUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE WATER TO ALL OF THE USERS OF DALLAS WATER UTILITIES. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR, RIDLEY. 
          THOSE ARE SOME GREAT QUESTIONS AND I HOPE STAFF CAN. 
          YES, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, BUT I THINK IT'S GOOD TIMING TOO. 
          AS YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE WE CAN REGULATE LOCALLY, LIKE THE CITY, THE LAND USE, THE ZONING, THE SETBACK, SOME OF THESE ARE ORIGINAL ISSUE OR EVEN STATE. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I, WE ARE GLAD THAT THE GOVERNOR ACTUALLY STEP UP AND HAVE, UM, TRYING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. 
          I THINK THIS ISSUE, UM, ENERGY, ESPECIALLY ENERGY AND SOMEWHAT WATER PROBABLY HAS TO BE ADDRESSED AT REGIONAL OR STATE LEVEL. 
          AND I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, STATE LEVEL, UH, REGULATION THAT WILL HELP HELP AT THE CITY. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE ARE, WE'RE REALLY, REALLY TRYING TO SEE WHAT'S COMING UP IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. 
          UH, BUT UH, THERE'S CERTAIN THING WE CAN DEFINITELY, EVEN THE GENERATOR, OUTSIDE GENERATOR, THE TEST GENERATOR, UH, USUALLY TWICE UH, A MONTH, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN REQUIRE THE LOCATIONAL GENERATOR WORK BE LOCATED AND THEN, UH, THE NOISE LEVEL, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING LOCALLY WE CAN DO AND RELEVANT TO STATE REGULATION OF DATA CENTERS. 
          I ATTENDED AN INFRASTRUCTURE CONFERENCE THIS MORNING AT WHICH SENATOR ROYCE WEST WAS ASKED TO LIST WHAT HE CONSIDERED THE TOP PRIORITIES THAT WILL BE ISSUES AT THIS COMING 2027 LEGISLATIVE SESSION. 
          THE FIRST ONE LISTED WAS DATA CENTERS. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, AND WITH THAT, UH, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES COMING UP, SO LET'S MAKE SURE WE BRING THAT BACK UP. 
          UH, COUNCILMAN CENA? YEAH, THANK YOU EMILY FOR PREPARING THIS AND FOR EVERYONE WHO PROVIDED THEIR INPUT. 
          UM, I, MY COUSIN, MY UNCLE ACTUALLY IS, UM, HAS BEEN IN INFORMATION SYSTEMS SINCE COMPUTERS WERE, UM, YOU KNOW, EARLY ON. 
          AND SO I KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE FEARFUL SOMETIMES OF TECHNOLOGY AND IT'S COMING UP. 
          UM, BUT I THINK, UM, WHERE I HEAR THE MOST CONCERN IS JUST LIKE WHAT CHAIR WEST MENTIONED IS WITH THE HYPERSCALE DATA CENTERS, UM, AND WHERE THOSE ARE LOCATED NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL. 
          UM, JUST BECAUSE OF I THINK SOME OF THE NEW, UH, TECHNOLOGY THAT'S COMING ONLINE. 
          UM, MY QUESTION IS, UM, IS DO WE KNOW FOR INSTANCE, LIKE THE DATA CENTER ON ROUNDTABLE DRIVE OR ON MOCKINGBIRD, UM, ARE THOSE, UM, CONSIDERED OR IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO KNOW IF THAT IS A HYPER SKILLED DATA CENTER THAT IS COMING ONLINE? UM, OR EVEN THE ONE AT MARKET HALL? I THINK THAT ONE'S INTEN ANTICIPATED TO BE 245, UH, MEGAWATTS. 
          AND SO WITH THAT FALL UNDER THAT CATEGORY, 
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UH, I'LL TAKE THAT ONE. 
          I BASED ON WHO THE OPERATORS ARE, THOSE ARE ALMOST CERTAINLY GONNA BE CO-LOCATION FACILITIES. 
          EQUINIX AND THE OTHER OPERATORS ARE THE ONES WHO BASICALLY ACT AS A LANDLORD AND DIFFERENT COMPANIES WILL COME AND LEASE SPACE WITHIN THEM. 
          TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE CAPACITY, THE ENERGY USE AND THE WATER USE, THERE'S NO CLEAR DEFINITION OF WHAT A HYPERSCALE FACILITY IS IN TERMS OF THOSE USAGES. 
          AND UNTIL THEY'RE BUILT, WE DON'T HAVE DATA TO KNOW WHAT THEIR WATER AND ELECTRICITY USAGES ARE. 
          SO IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SAY, BUT I THINK GENERALLY A HYPERSCALE FACILITY IS A MEGA FACILITY AND, AND THOSE WOULDN'T FALL UNDER THAT CATEGORY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UM, I KNOW THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION HAS BEEN WORKING ON RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL, SO I THINK IF WE DO, UM, MOVE TOWARDS A TASK FORCE THAT WE NEED SOMEBODY FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY TO BE A PART OF THAT. 
          UM, I ALSO SUPPORT EXPEDITING THE ZONING REVIEW. 
          UM, IN MY DISTRICT WE HAVE A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL AREA THAT IS NEAR RESIDENTIAL AND UM, SO I KNOW MY COMMUNITY HAS BEEN VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, I GUESS THE PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL AREA. 
          SOME OF MY RESIDENTS ACTUALLY DO WORK FOR DATA CENTERS, UM, AND WAS THEY WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE ME SOME, UM, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. 
          UM, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT IT BEING CLOSE TO THEIR HOMES. 
          AND AGAIN, NOT ALL DATA CENTERS ARE BAD. 
          I THINK AS Y'ALL HAVE MENTIONED, THEY, THERE ARE MANY THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND AND THEY HAVE NOT CAUSED A PROBLEM. 
          WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THEY'RE THERE. 
          UM, BUT I THINK IT IS MAYBE WITH THE NEW TECHNOLOGY AI THAT'S COMING ONLINE, UM, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HAS, UM, CAUSED US TO NEED TO LOOK AT THIS AND SEE UM, WHAT CHANGES WE NEED TO MAKE, UM, AS WELL. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF THE WATER USAGE, UM, HAVE Y'ALL LOOKED AT, I GUESS, WHEN THAT IS THE MOST, WHEN MAYBE THE, THE MOST WATER IS USED? IS IT WHEN IT'S COMING ONLINE OR IS IT WHEN THE DATA CENTER IS ACTUALLY OPERATING? I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF JEFF HAS AN ANSWER FOR THAT. 
          WE HAVE TO COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY'S POINT IN TEARS AS WELL. 
          WE HAVE SEEN SOME OTHER CITIES REQUIRE THE CLOSED LOOP COOLING SYSTEMS RATHER THAN THE EVAPORATIVE. 
          SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK AT, FOR EXAMPLE, TO BRING AS A NEW REGULATION. 
          UM, BUT REMEMBER, OH, I SEE SARAH STANIFER ALSO, BUT REMEMBER DALLAS WATER UTILITIES IS NOT JUST THE CITY OF DALLAS. 
          IF WE PASS A REGULATION ON DATA CENTERS IN DALLAS, THERE'S STILL 23, 24 OTHER CITIES THAT USE DALLAS WATER UTILITIES WATER THAT WOULDN'T BE FOLLOWING THOSE SAME REGULATIONS. 
          SO IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE A, A LARGER LOOK THAN JUST AT THE CITY LEVEL. 
          BUT IF SARAH OR JEFF HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, COME ON UP. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          SARAH STANDIFORD, DIRECTOR DALLAS WATER UTILITIES. 
          I HAVE WITH ME AT LESLIE CASTILLO. 
          SHE IS OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR THAT IS WORKING ON THE NATIONAL BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ON DATA CENTERS WITH RESPECT TO WATER AND WASTEWATER USAGE BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST WATER, IT'S WASTEWATER. 
          UM, YOU GUYS HAD ASKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT ARE YOU SEEING ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          UM, THE RESEARCH INSTITUTES AND OTHERS THAT HAVE HAD DATA CENTERS BEFORE AS ARE REALLY LOOKING TOWARDS THOSE CLOSED LOOP SYSTEMS. THE COMMUNITY IS EVOLVING AS THEY GO THROUGH THE DATA CENTERS THAT ARE HERE IN DALLAS TODAY. 
          UM, THEY ARE NOT OUR HIGHEST USE CUSTOMERS IN THE SYSTEMS. UM, THEY ARE IN SOME CASES HEAVIER ON WATER USE THAN OTHER INDUSTRIAL USES AND COMMERCIAL, BUT THEY ARE NOT ANYWHERE EVEN IN OUR TOP A HUNDRED CUSTOMERS FOR USAGE. 
          SO, UM, I THINK WHAT YOU GUYS ARE REALLY ASKING AND WHAT YOU'VE KIND OF HEARD FROM THE PANEL IS AS YOU GET THE BIG HYPER CENTERS, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE REALLY NEED TO BE PAYING ATTENTION TO MORE SO BECAUSE THEY'RE NEW, THEY NEED TO BE THE NEWER TECHNOLOGIES, THEY'RE NOT SORT OF AN INFILL, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE IN DALLAS. 
          UM, LESLIE, DID YOU KIND OF, FROM BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES, ARE YOU SEEING ANYTHING ELSE IN TERMS OF TIME OF DAY USAGE? I MEAN, THEY'RE RUNNING 24 HOURS A DAY, SO IT'S NOT JUST ON THE FRONT END AS THEY BUILD. 
          UM, WE DO NOT TRACK CONSUMPTION BY THE HOUR. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WE COULDN'T TELL YOU IF THEY PEAK BETWEEN 10 AND TWO. 
          I SUSPECT THEY PEAK ON DIFFERENT TIME PERIODS BASED ON THEIR, THEIR SERVICES. 
          HI, THIS IS, OH MY NAME IS LESLIE CASTILLO WITH ASSISTANT DIRECTOR. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. 
          UM, I THINK AS A STANDARD, THE DATA CENTERS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH THE WATER UTILITIES AS A OVERALL, UH, AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING WITH THEIR SYSTEMS. THE CHANGE COMES FROM THEM MOVING SOUTH. 
          SO THEY'RE HAVING TO LOOK AT AND ADDRESS WHAT 
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THEY PREVIOUSLY USED TO OUR AREA. 
          AND I THINK THE STEPS THAT WE'RE TAKING NOW AND HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS WILL ALLOW US TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THEIR SYSTEM BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT AS THEIR COOLING SYSTEMS ARE GONNA BE VARI VARIOUS, WHAT THEY USE UP IN THE NORTH, RIGHT? THEY'RE ABLE TO USE DIFFERENT THINGS JUST LIKE COMPARED TO IF THEY'RE GOING TO NEVADA WHERE IT'S VERY DRY, THEY'RE LIMITED IN WATER, SO THEY'RE NOW IN TEXAS, THEY'RE HAVING TO LOOK AT THE AREA. 
          IT'S VERY SPECIFIC, UM, FOR THEIR WATER USAGE IN PARTICULAR. 
          WE'RE WANTING TO HAVE THEM, UM, PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION TO US AND HAVE THAT CONVERSATION SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR SYSTEM LOOKS LIKE ON THEIR COOLANT SYSTEM. 
          UM, THE ONES THAT ARE EXISTING RIGHT NOW ARE, ARE SET, SO THEY MAYBE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS. 
          UM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT DATA OBVIOUSLY. 
          SO WITH THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS OR ANYTHING THAT WE END UP CHANGING, I THINK THAT WILL OPEN THAT CONVERSATION SO WE CAN HAVE THOSE CON CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AND UNDERSTAND THEIR WATER USE. 
          HAVE Y'ALL LOOKED AT, UM, FLOOD AND STORM WATER RUNOFF IN REGARDS TO ANY OF THE DATA CENTERS? UH, NO MA'AM. 
          IN TERMS OF DRAINAGE, THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME BUILDING STANDARDS THEY HAVE TODAY. 
          SO IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE CONCRETE FOOTPRINT AND LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE. 
          UM, I WOULDN'T EXPECT THE DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS TO NECESSARILY CHANGE AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD EXPECT THE WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEMS TO GET BETTER. 
          UM, AND THEY WOULD BE HELD TO ANY OTHER STANDARD, RIGHT? ANY UPGRADES NEEDED ARE UPON THE DEVELOPER. 
          UM, WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH EMILY'S TEAM AND THEY KIND OF ADHERE TO THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT ALL OF THAT, BUT I DON'T ANTICIPATE IT CHANGING 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA GO IN WITH A FOOTPRINT IF THEY'RE NEW. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK MY LAST COMMENT IS, IT SOUNDS LIKE THOUGH, UM, I GUESS FROM WATER AND THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, WE ARE RELYING ON THE DATA CENTERS TO PROVIDE US INFORMATION ON, I GUESS THEIR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TYPE OF DATA CENTER THEY ARE. 
          UM, AND THERE'S NOT REALLY, AT LEAST RIGHT NOW, UM, A WAY TO GET MORE IN DEPTH INFORMATION TO SEE MAYBE IF THEY'RE CO-LOCATION OR HYPERSCALE OR ENTERPRISE. 
          IS THAT CORRECT OR IS THERE A WAY, ARE THEY GIVING US ANY INFORMATION? I GUESS BESIDES US ASKING ABOUT THE TYPE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW? THEY PROVIDE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING. 
          UM, THEY DO, UM, PROVIDE WHAT EXISTING CATEGORY OF THE LAND USE, UM, THE WATER USAGE, UM, FOR THE NEW ONE. 
          WE USUALLY DO NOT ASK THOSE QUESTION, UH, ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO ACTUALLY FIGURE THAT OUT BEFORE THEY SUBMIT A PERMIT. 
          I TALKED TO OUR CHIEF, UH, ELECTRICAL INSPECTOR JUST BEFORE I CAME HERE AND HE SAID THEY NEED TO WORK WITH ENCORE ROOM BEFORE THE SUBMIT IS, UH, SUBMIT A PERMIT IS A BIG COMMITMENT. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE THE POWER, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA BUILD THAT. 
          THE POWER IS A NUMBER ONE ISSUE FOR THEIR SITING, SITING, UH, DATA CENTER. 
          IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE POWER, THEY USUALLY DO NOT BUILD. 
          SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE. 
          OF COURSE, WATER IS NOT THE ONE AND THE LAND, UH, PROXIMITY TO THE MARKET. 
          I THINK THAT'S HOW THEY DECIDE. 
          BUT USUALLY THOSE ARE NOT A FACTOR FOR OUR BUILDING, UH, REVIEW. 
          WE REVIEW, UH, THE ELECTRICAL, THE PLUMBING FROM THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE, PERSPEC COMPLIANCE. 
          WE DO NOT DO ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU EMILY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER ROTH. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          UM, THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. 
          I THINK THAT, UM, THIS IS AN INDUSTRY THAT WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE. 
          IT'S COMING. 
          IT'S HERE, IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE. 
          IT'S GONNA BE AN INTEGRAL PART OF, OF THE FUTURE, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF ANY CITY. 
          AND, AND, AND WE'VE GOT TO BE PAYING ATTENTION TO IT. 
          HOWEVER, WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. 
          THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE THAT OUR, THAT WE HAVE THE DETAILS, WE UNDERSTAND THIS BUSINESS AND WE UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS OF THIS INDUSTRY AND, AND WHAT I'M HEARING AND WHAT I'M, AND I DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THIS FIGHT. 
          I, I'M, THIS IS NEW TO ME TOO, BUT THIS IS NOT A ONE SIZE FIT ALL BUSINESS. 
          THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT DATA CENTERS. 
          THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS. 
          THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT SIZES. 
          THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT USES. 
          YOU DON'T LEGISLATE IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE LEGISLATING FOR. 
          AND SO I THINK WE NEED A LOT MORE INFORMATION BEFORE WE START MAKING ZONING RULES AND, AND REQUIREMENTS AND LAWS 
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TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO HERE. 
          BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE REJECTING OR, OR DISCOURAGING LEGITIMATE, UH, UH, PROFITABLE ECONOMICALLY, UH, UH, DRAMATIC AND IMPROVING BUSINESSES FROM COMING TO OUR CITY. 
          AT THE SAME TOKEN, I ALSO WANT TO BE ABLE TO, UH, BE ABLE TO PROVIDE RESPONSIBLE, THOUGHTFUL GUIDELINES FOR THOSE COMPANIES THAT WE DO WANNA HAVE, BUT THAT WE NEED TO ADJUST. 
          SO WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION, I DON'T THINK, TO BE MAKING ZONING RULES AND FIGURING OUT WHAT CLASSIFICATIONS OF WHERE WE'RE GONNA PUT THESE THINGS. 
          WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOMEBODY, AND IT'S NOT A REFLECTION ON OUR STAFF, IT'S NOT A REFLECTION ON OUR ABILITIES HERE. 
          WE HAVE THE BRIGHTEST AND THE BEST IN THIS GROUP, BUT I DON'T DO MY OWN SURGERY AND I DON'T THINK WE WE'RE IN THE, THE SURGERY BUSINESS. 
          NOW WE HAVE TO FIND THE PEOPLE THAT DO THE RIGHT THING THAT KNOW ABOUT THIS BUSINESS AND EDUCATE US ON WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT. 
          SO THIS IS NOT A RUSH TO, WE DON'T NEED TO BE RUSHING ZONING. 
          I THINK IF WE DO GET APPLICATIONS, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THEM ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS AND EVALUATE 'EM THE BEST WE CAN. 
          BUT WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO BE MAKING BROAD, UH, REGULATIONS OR DIRECTIONS. 
          I DON'T THINK. 
          AGAIN, UH, I'M NEW TO THIS GAME, BUT, UH, I THINK WE'VE GOT TO GET A LOT MORE RESEARCH. 
          WE GOTTA LOT UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT. 
          I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THE WATER COMES FROM. 
          I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THE ELECTRICITY COMES FROM. 
          I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN THIS PLACE. 
          I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          AND IF I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, I GUARANTEE YOU THAT 99% OF THE OTHER PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND IT EITHER. 
          SO LET'S GET THE FACTS, THEN WE'RE GONNA START FIGURING OUT WHAT KIND OF POLICIES AND WHAT KIND OF ZONING AND WHAT KIND OF, OF, UH, LEGISLATION WE WANT TO HELP THESE COMPANIES DO. 
          AND I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING, THIS IS GONNA BE IMPORTANT. 
          SO MY EXPEDITING PROCESS WOULD BE LET'S GET MORE FACTS. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO DO AND GET THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO ADVISE US. 
          GET THE RIGHT PEOPLE WHO CAN GIVE US THE INFORMATION. 
          AND THEN LET'S, LET'S TRY TO MAKE SOME GOOD DECISIONS. 
          NOT FAST, BUT THOUGHTFULLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBERAL. 
          I'LL JUST SAY THIS IS THE FIRST OF WHAT I'M SURE WILL BE MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS. 
          WE COMPLETELY AGREE. 
          WHAT WE WANTED TO DO FOR PURPOSES OF TODAY WAS JUST GET OUR ARMS AROUND WHAT'S HERE, WHAT OUR ZONING CODE CURRENTLY SAYS. 
          WE'RE NOT RUSHING TO CHANGE ANYTHING. 
          JUST WANTED TO START THE CONVERSATION. 
          SO WE WILL BE BACK. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, CHAIR STEWART. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CHAIR MORENO. 
          UM, SO, UM, AT THIS POINT, I THINK THE IDEA OF THE TASK FORCE IS BRILLIANT. 
          UM, I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED THAT TO COUNCIL MEMBER ROSS'S POINT. 
          THERE'S A LOT WE DON'T KNOW, BUT I WOULD, UM, HIGHLY RECOMMEND WE PUT PEOPLE ON THE TASK FORCE WHO CAN HELP EVALUATE SOME OF THIS. 
          SO THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, I WOULD SUGGEST WE GO TO DR. HODGES GOT AND ASK HER FOR A RECOMMENDATION FOR WATER CONSUMPTION. 
          I THINK WE WOULD ASK, UM, MS. STANDIFER FOR A RECOMMENDATION. 
          UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER ELSE, IT SEEMS TO ME THE GRID IS AN ISSUE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE GO TO ENCORE, BUT PERHAPS SOMEBODY FROM ENCORE. 
          SO WE JUST, WE KNOW WHAT SOME OF OUR VULNERABILITIES COULD BE. 
          THEY'RE PROBABLY MORE OUT THERE, BUT LET'S IDENTIFY THE ONES WE KNOW AND TRY TO HAVE AN EXPERT AT. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST SO THAT WE CAN GET THE TECHNICAL INFORMATION. 
          UM, THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          UH, DEPUTY MAYOR PROTO. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          PERSONAL, UH, GREAT PRESENTATION. 
          UM, I'M EXCITED ABOUT WHAT I HEARD TODAY. 
          I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE DATA CENTERS IN, UM, MY COMMUNITY AND, AND AROUND THE CITY OF DALLAS, SOME OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. 
          AND, AND SO I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT. 
          UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY. 
          IF WE CAN GO BACK, LET ME LOOK AND SEE IF I CAN PULL IT BACK UP. 
          OKAY. 
          IT DIDN'T DO IT. 
          UM, I THINK HOW MUCH MONEY WILL OF REVENUE WILL THIS BRING TO THE CITY OF DALLAS? I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 10.4 MILLION A YEAR. 
          AND IF I, IF I COULD JUST ADD, UH, CHAIR JOHNSON, THAT NUMBER IS CONSERVATIVE IN THAT THERE ARE, UH, TWO BUILDINGS THAT WERE YET TO BE CONSTRUCTED WHEN THEY WERE APPRAISED LAST YEAR AND ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS UNDER RENOVATION. 
          SO THAT'S PROBABLY, UM, A CONSERVATIVE NUMBER, BUT YES, THAT'S THE NUMBER. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT IS, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO MY PRESENTATION, UM, BUT YOU SAID IT WAS TWO, IT IS BRINGING 10 POINT HOW MUCH? UH, 10.3 MILLION. 
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10.3 MILLION TO THE CITY OF DALLAS. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OF REVENUE. 
          YES SIR. 
          THAT'S AWESOME. 
          UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT AND HOW THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I FEEL LIKE IS GONNA BE A GAME CHANGER AND IT'S GONNA HELP THE CITY OF DALLAS. 
          UM, I HEARD ONE OF MY COUNCIL MEMBERS SAY THIS, AND IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS LOOKING AT AS WELL, HOW, HOW TALK, TALK ABOUT THE JOBS THAT IS ALSO BRINGS TO, UH, THE CITY OF DALLAS AND IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES. 
          SURE. 
          SO I CAN START AND I'D WELCOME WHOEVER WANTS TO JOIN ME FROM ECO DEV OR WHOEVER. 
          SO THERE, THERE'S LARGELY THREE STAGES OF EMPLOYMENT THAT OCCUR IN THINGS LIKE THIS. 
          THE FIRST WOULD BE THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE, THE JOBS THAT IT TAKES TO ACTUALLY BUILD THE DATA CENTER. 
          DATA CENTERS IN GENERAL DO NOT PROVIDE A TON OF EMPLOYMENT. 
          THEY'RE LARGELY DATA CENTERS, SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE. 
          UM, BUT THEY DO HAVE SOME JOBS. 
          BUT THE, THE REAL POTENTIAL WOULD BE IF A, AN ECOSYSTEM WAS DEVELOPED AROUND THEM. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR AI INFRASTRUCTURE BUSINESSES OR AI CONSULTING BUSINESSES. 
          UM, THERE COULD BE AN ECOSYSTEM THAT DEVELOPS AROUND THOSE DATA CENTERS IN TERMS OF THOSE TECH JOBS. 
          UM, I WAS RECENTLY WITH, UH, CHAIR GRACIE WHO STEPPED AWAY AT THE, UH, THE OAK CLIFF, UH, CHAMBER. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE, UH, THEY TALKED ABOUT THERE, THE, THERE WAS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE, UH, THE FEDERAL RESERVE AND ECONOMISTS WHO SHARED THAT AI JOBS ARE HUGE IN DALLAS, UH, THAT THEY'RE GROWING AND THEY'RE HARDER TO FILL. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S AN EARLY SIGN OF THIS. 
          I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, TECH IN DALLAS. 
          SO THEY DON'T TEND TO BE, THE DATA CENTER ITSELF DOES NOT NECESSARILY GENERATE A TON OF EMPLOYMENT. 
          IT'S A MODEST AMOUNT OF EMPLOYMENT. 
          UM, IT'S SORT OF THE POTENTIAL FOR WHAT COMES NEXT AND THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE, BUT THAT, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SORT OF ACTED UPON. 
          AND I'LL LET ECO DEV, UH, FINISH OUT ANYTHING OR CORRECT ANYTHING. 
          SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, JUST MAKE SURE, UM, IT'S A WHOLE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT GOES, THAT WILL CONNECT TO, SO IT'S PRETTY MUCH A CONNECTIVITY THAT CREATES MORE, MORE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO IT CREATES JOBS WITHIN ITSELF. 
          THERE COULD BE A JOB ECOSYSTEM DEVELOPING AFTERWARDS. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT DATA CENTERS WHEN YOU'RE TRYING, IF DATA IS YOUR BUSINESS AND YOU'RE TRYING TO EITHER CONNECT YOUR MODEL TO YOUR DATA, LATENCY MATTERS, THE SPEED AT WHICH DATA MOVES AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT, YOU WANT TO BE CLOSER TO THOSE DATA CENTERS. 
          SO THERE'S SOME EARLY RESEARCH OUT OF RICE UNIVERSITY AND OTHER PLACES TRYING TO SHOW WHAT WILL THE LONG-TERM JOB IMPACTS BE OF DATA CENTERS. 
          WE DON'T REALLY HAVE SOLID DATA. 
          IT'S A LITTLE BIT TOO NEW. 
          UM, BUT THERE IS HOPE THAT THERE WOULD BE THE DEVELOPMENT OF A, OF A JOB ECOSYSTEM ALONG WITH THESE DATA CENTERS. 
          WELL, AND I'D SAY EVEN BEYOND THOSE SPECIFIC TYPES OF JOBS, THE DATA CENTERS SUPPORT THE COMPANIES THAT ARE COMING TO DALLAS TO CREATE JOBS. 
          SO THE LAST TIME I LOOKED AT THE CBRE LABOR REPORT ON TECHNOLOGY, DALLAS HAD MORE TECHNOLOGY JOBS IN HOUSTON AND AUSTIN COMBINED. 
          SO THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE CITY IS BRINGING THE KINDS OF COMPANIES THAT CREATE THOSE HIGH PAYING JOBS THAT WE WANT, EVEN IF THE DATA CENTER ITSELF MAY NOT HAVE THAT MANY EMPLOYEES WITHIN IT. 
          AND I WANT TO ACTUALLY HAVE THIS PRESENTATION ADDED TO MY CODE AGENDA, UH, TO TALK ABOUT THAT PART THERE. 
          THAT IS ACTUALLY BRINGING REVENUE TO THE CITY, IS BRINGING BUSINESSES TO THE CITY, WHICH IS GONNA INCREASE THE TAX BASE, UH, FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS. 
          SO IT'S GONNA INCREASE THAT. 
          UM, NOW YOU, YOU HEAR THE NEGATIVE AND THE POSITIVE, RIGHT? UM, AND ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE, THE CONCERNS IS THE WATER. 
          SO, UH, I HEARD EARLIER IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS WATER FILTRATION IS, IS BEING USED TO CLEAN THE WATER WASTES FROM THE DATA CENTER. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? I GOTTA ASK DALLAS WATER UTILITIES TO COME ADDRESS THAT QUESTION AND WHY SHE'S COMING, IF THAT'S CORRECT. 
          IF SO, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE WATER AFTERWARDS? HOW IS THE DATA CENTER WATER USED AFTER BEING FILTERED? UH, SARAH STANDARD FOR DALLAS WATER UTILITIES, AND I BELIEVE WHAT YOU'RE REALLY ASKING IS WHEN A DATA CENTER, LIKE ANY OTHER BUSINESS OR EVEN YOUR HOME IS USING THE DRINKING WATER FOR, FOR ANY PURPOSE, ONCE YOU DISCHARGE OF THAT, IT IS CONNECTED TO OUR SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM. 
          THE SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM THEN TAKES IT TO ONE OF OUR TWO WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS, JUST DEPENDS ON WHERE THEY ARE IN THE SYSTEM. 
          AND THEN THAT WASTEWATER IS TREATED TO A REGULATORY STANDARD SO THAT IT CAN BE DISCHARGED INTO THE TRINITY RIVER CONSISTENT WITH OUR WASTEWATER PERMITS. 
          SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE WASTEWATER IMPACT AND WHAT IS IN THERE RIGHT NOW, DATA CENTERS ARE NOT REGULATED WHERE WE COULD TREAT THEM AS A SIGNIFICANT INDUSTRIAL USER. 
          SO IN THOSE CASES, INDUSTRY ARE ACTUALLY PROVIDING, AND WE ARE 
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TESTING THEIR DISCHARGE BEFORE IT GOES INTO OUR SYSTEM. 
          AND THAT IS PART OF THE NATIONAL CONVERSATION AND THE STATE CONVERSATION, MUCH LIKE Y'ALL HAVE TALKED ABOUT, WE DON'T HAVE A COMMON CODE THAT THEY'RE ALL ASSIGNED, SO THEY DON'T END UP IN SOME OF THE NORMAL PASS AND PROCEDURES THAT WE'RE IN, BUT IT WOULD JUST LEAVE THE BUILDING AS IT NORMALLY WOULD THROUGH A PIPE, CONNECT TO THE SYSTEMS AT THE CITY, AND THEN WE WOULD TRADE IT AND DISCHARGE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THEORY HERE, UH, RESOURCE, BUT I HEARD THERE'S A POSITIVE WAY TO GET IT DONE, GET IT DONE, WHERE IT WON'T BE A NEGATIVE EFFECT OR SUCH A CONCERN CONCERNING WITH THE WATER. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD, HEARD OF THOSE AS WELL. 
          IF YOU HAVE, YOU COULD KIND OF EXPOUND ON ANY, ANYONE YOU GUYS WANNA DO THAT? I THINK IT'S ALWAYS A BALANCING ACT. 
          UM, THE SAME BALANCING IT WELL ARE MAKING, RIGHT? THERE'S ECONOMIC BENEFITS, THERE'S REALIZED BENEFITS FROM ANY BUSINESS AND INDUSTRY. 
          AND SO AS WE LOOK AT WHETHER IT'S ZONING OR ENGINEERING CRITERIA OR TESTING, WE'VE REALLY GOTTA BALANCE, UM, WHAT'S RIGHT. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DISCHARGE ANYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T MEET A REGULATORY REQUIREMENT. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT ANYTHING IN WITHOUT A REGULATORY REQUIREMENT. 
          SO THEY'RE GONNA BE HELD TO THE STANDARDS WE HAVE TODAY. 
          AND THEN AS IT EVOLVES, WE'LL, WE WILL CONTINUE TO PUSH FORWARD THAT WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND TWO MORE QUESTIONS. 
          I THINK THEN I SEE SOMETHING IN THE PRESENTATION WHERE THERE WAS ALREADY SOME, SOME BUILDINGS THAT EXISTED. 
          UH, THAT, THAT IS ALREADY, IS IT HERE IN DALLAS? IS THAT, IS THAT, THAT'S ALREADY, IS IT DOWNTOWN? YES, SIR. 
          THERE ARE 23 KNOWN DATA CENTER LOCATIONS AND THERE ARE SEVERAL DOWNTOWN, INCLUDING ACROSS THE STREET. 
          EMILY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO JUMP IN IF YOU WANTED THAT ONE. 
          YES, THERE ARE SIX OF THE 23 THAT ARE LOCATED DOWNTOWN MOSTLY ARE, UH, ADAPTIVE REUSED, AND SOME OF THOSE ARE MIXED USE. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK, I THINK THAT'S GREAT. 
          UM, AGAIN, I I, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES, UM, AND SOME CONCERNS. 
          I I WANNA SAY THAT SOME CONCERNS THAT, UH, SOME HAVE BROUGHT CONCERNING THAT, BUT THE FACT THAT IT'S BRINGING WHAT, 10 PLUS PLUS MILLION DOLLARS WE'RE BRINGING JOBS TO THE CITY OF DALLAS, UH, IS, IS, IS HAPPENING DOWNTOWN RIGHT HERE. 
          SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THIS WILL CONTINUE, WILL CONTINUE TO BRING JOBS BACK INTO DOWNTOWN, WHICH STRENGTHENS OUR TAX BASE, AND THEN PROBABLY VENTURE OUT INTO SOME AREAS, I WOULD SAY SOUTHERN DALLAS, WHERE WE CAN SEE THAT AND, AND CREATE THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, PLAN THAT BRINGS MORE JOBS TO OUR COMMUNITIES. 
          SO I SUPPORT THIS, UH, I KNOW THAT THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS, UH, AND WE DO HAVE TO ANSWER SOME TOUGH QUESTIONS AND, AND SOME CONCERNS, BUT I THINK THE MORE THAT WE EDUCATE OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT IT AND AND, AND GET MORE, UH, PEOPLE INVOLVED IN STUDYING AND WORK OUT, UH, SOME OF THE CONCERNS, I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE DEFINITELY A GAME CHANGER AND IT'S HAPPENING IN OTHER, OTHER PARTS OF OUR COUNTRY. 
          AND I, I WANT TO SEE DALLAS, UH, BRING THAT KIND OF RESOURCE HERE AND BRING THOSE KIND OF JOBS AND BUSINESSES, UM, BACK DOWNTOWN AND, AND ALSO THAT WOULD AFFECT OUR LOCAL AREA. 
          AND I SAY IT ALL THE TIME, IF DOWNTOWN THRIVES, THEN OUR WHOLE CITY THRIVES BECAUSE IT LITERALLY FLOWS TO EVERY PART OF DALLAS, WHETHER IT'S SOUTHERN, NORTH, EAST, OR WEST. 
          SO I, I'M SUPPORTING ON THIS AND I'M, I'M VERY EXCITED AND LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING MORE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT. 
          UH, I ALSO WANT TO DISCUSS THIS AT THE COLLEGE AGENDA AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, IF WE CAN GET DW BACK UP, AND SARAH, IF YOU CAN HELP US, UH, PROVIDE A FORECAST OF THE WATER SUPPLIES, IT CURRENTLY STANDS AND BASED ON THE FORECAST OF PROJECTED, UH, DATA CENTERS. 
          SO, UM, YOU ALL APPROVED IN 2024, THE LONG RANGE WATER SUPPLY PLAN THAT TAKES DW THE CITY AND OUR CUSTOMER CITIES THROUGH 2080. 
          SO IN EACH DECADE IT SHOWS WHERE THE SUPPLY NEEDS TO BE, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED IN THE INTERIM. 
          RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE SIX RESERVOIRS THAT ARE CONNECTED TO OUR SYSTEM. 
          A SEVENTH IS ON THE WAY. 
          UM, OUR NEXT BIG MILESTONES REALLY REACH AROUND 20, 35, 20 37 WHEN WE WILL BRING THAT IN, UH, INTEGRATED PIPELINE FROM PALESTINE INTO THE DALLAS SYSTEM, RIGHT? UM, THE KIND OF NUANCE BETWEEN ALL OF THIS IS IF ANY, IF ANY, ZONING WERE TO CHANGE, WHEN WE DO MODELING FOR LONG RANGE PLANNING, WE BASE ON WHAT ARE FULLY DEVELOPED ZONING OR FULLY DEVELOPED WATERSHEDS, RIGHT? SO WE'RE GONNA ASSUME THAT WHAT THE ZONING IS, IS THE MAXIMUM DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD OCCUR, AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ON MAXIMUM USAGE BASED ON THAT. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THOSE PROJECTIONS WILL COME FROM. 
          IF WE MAKE CHANGES IN ZONING AND WE COMPLETELY CHANGE THINGS, THEN WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THOSE ASSUMPTIONS, RIGHT? UM, OUR CUSTOMER CITIES PROVIDE THEIR ASSUMPTIONS AS WELL, AND WE FOLD THOSE IN THE PLAN. 
          WHERE WE, WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THIS AS A NEW INDUSTRY, AND IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT, IS THAT IT DOES CHANGE 
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WHAT SOME OF THESE PROJECTIONS WERE IN DIFFERENT CITIES THAT WE'VE SUPPLIED OUR WATER TO, AND IT COULD CHANGE SOME OF OUR ASSUMPTIONS HERE, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REEVALUATE LIKE WE DO EVERY THREE TO FOUR YEARS. 
          WE WILL REEVALUATE, MAKE SURE WE DON'T NEED TO CHANGE ANY STRATEGIES, AND THEN EACH DECADE WE DO A BIG OVERHAUL OF THE LONG RANGE WATER SUPPLY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'VE USED WORDS LIKE EVOLVING CHANGES LIKE THESE NO MATTER WHAT, HOW WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CONSTANTLY HAVE TO BE REVIEWING AND UPDATING AS THE WORLD BEFORE US CHANGES. 
          UM, WHAT'S, SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF AGRICULTURE, AT LEAST LARGE SCALE IN THIS CITY. 
          UH, WHAT'S THE BIGGEST INDUSTRIAL INDUSTRY USE FOR WATER CURRENTLY IN THE CITY OF DALLAS? SO I COULD GET YOU GUYS A LIST OF THOSE. 
          UM, WE, WE HAVE OUR, WE HAVE OUR TOP 10 KIND OF USERS. 
          THOSE ARE PUBLISHED IN OUR OPERATING STATEMENTS. 
          YOU'LL SEE INDUSTRIES LIKE A TEXAS INDUSTRIES, YOU WILL SEE, UM, DALLAS COUNTY. 
          YOU'LL SEE A BLEND OF THOSE, RIGHT? SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, THINK PEOPLE WITH LARGE FOOTPRINTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 
          UM, LOTS OF INDUSTRIAL USE AND OR KIND OF RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES, SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE ON THOSE LISTS. 
          YOU'LL, YOU KINDA SEE THE LIST. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, I THINK THERE'S AN AREA THAT WE CAN IMPROVE ON WHEN IT COMES TO FAULTY OR, OR LEAKY PIPES. 
          UM, IF WE WERE TO EXPLORE, UH, FURTHER, UH, DISCUSSIONS ON DATA CENTERS, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE TO OUR HARDENING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE SO THAT WE ARE, UH, MAKING SURE THAT THAT WATER ISN'T, UM, BEING DISPLACED. 
          THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT, THERE'S NOT WATER LEAK, SO THAT WATER IS STAYING IN THE SYSTEM. 
          SO I, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA, I'M GONNA TRY TO ANSWER YOU TWICE AND NOT GET US TOO FAR OUT OF A DATA CENTER BRIEFING. 
          UM, SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AGING INFRASTRUCTURE AND PIPES THAT ARE LEAKING, RIGHT, SO THAT IS PRIMARILY AGE DRIVEN AND OR THE CONSUMPTION USAGE. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW, UM, WE PEAKED THE SYSTEM AT OVER 800 MILLION GALLONS THIS MORNING. 
          THAT IS A LOT OF WATER. 
          WE'RE SEEING THE DAYS UPON DAYS. 
          AND SO THAT PUTS A LOT OF STRESS ON THE SYSTEM. 
          SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES IN OR REDEVELOPMENT THAT HAS TO RUN THROUGH PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT HAS TO MEET THE ENGINEERING GUIDELINES AND THE STANDARDS. 
          AND THOSE DEVELOPMENTS ARE REQUIRED TO UPGRADE SYSTEMS THAT WILL NOT MEET THE CODE AND CRITERIA. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO APPLY UP TO A 30% REIMBURSEMENT FOR ELIGIBLE COSTS IN THOSE SYSTEMS IF THEY'RE SERVING MORE THAN THEIR OWN PROPERTY. 
          SO WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE ALL VERY GOOD ABOUT STAYING VERY LONG STEP IN MAKING SURE THAT DEVELOPMENT PAYS FOR DEVELOPMENT AND DEVELOPMENT SUPPORTS ITSELF. 
          AND IT'S NOT COMING OUT OF OUR RATE PAYER. 
          NOW, ANYONE WHO'S A CUSTOMER OF OURS ALSO HELPS DRIVE TOWARDS WHAT WE PAY ON OUR BOND ISSUANCES. 
          IT ALSO HELPS PAY FOR OUR OPERATIONS. 
          AND SO LEAKY PIPES ARE FIXED BOTH OPERATIONALLY AND CAPITAL WISE. 
          RIGHT? SO IN AND AROUND ANY CUSTOMER'S GONNA HELP. 
          UM, IS THERE A PREMIUM YOU CAN PUT ON THOSE? NOT NECESSARILY COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS GOING IN DIFFERENT TIER STRUCTURE THAN RESIDENTIAL. 
          UH, AND KIND OF FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, IS THERE DIFFERENT WATER RATES THAT WE CAN PUT ON DIFFERENT USES OR INDUSTRIES? THE CURRENT WAY THE RATES ARE STRUCTURED, IT PUTS THEM INTO SOME OF THOSE CATEGORIES. 
          SO YOU CAN HAVE RESIDENTIAL AT DIFFERENT TIERS FOR CONSUMPTION. 
          THERE'S COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, THERE ARE GENERAL SERVICES. 
          THERE ARE ALSO GOVERNMENTAL SERVICES. 
          AND SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE ACCOUNTED FOR BASED ON THOSE CATEGORIES. 
          IS THAT REGULATED? UM, THE COUNCIL OR HOW, HOW IS THAT AT? YOU WILL APPROVE RATES EVERY SEPTEMBER. 
          I THINK YOU ARE DOING IT THE 16TH THIS YEAR, HOPEFULLY. 
          UM, BUT YOU WERE PROVEN THAT'S PART OF THE BUDGET CYCLE. 
          AND THEN THEY ARE DONE BASED ON A RATE MODEL. 
          SO ALL OF THE INPUTS BASED ON SIZE OF PIPES, BASED ON USAGE, THINGS GO INTO THOSE MODELS. 
          AND THEN IT GIVES US SORT OF A RANGE OF WHAT THAT RATE SHOULD BE BASED ON PLANNED AND ASSUMED CONSUMPTION THE FOLLOWING YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS COUNCIL COULD, UM, REGULATE, COULD PUT PARAMETERS, COULD EVEN OUTRIGHT BAN DATA CENTERS. 
          UM, WHAT, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT OUR OTHER 20 PLUS, UH, CITIES THAT WE SELL WATER TO? WOULD THEY STILL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DATA CENTERS AND CONSUME OUR WATER IF, EVEN IF WE HAD THOSE REGULATIONS? UH, FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS? SO A CITY, UM, THE CITY, AS WE'VE MET WITH THE ATTORNEYS ON A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ISSUES, WE CAN'T REGULATE ANOTHER CITY AND PUT RULES IN PLACE FOR THEM. 
          SO, UM, THEY COULD CONTINUE TO ISSUE PERMITS, BUILD, UM, DATA CENTERS AND FOLLOW THEIR OWN RULES. 
          AND THEN YOU ALL WOULD POTENTIALLY HALT IT HERE IN DALLAS. 
          UH, BUT WE CANNOT REGULATE THEM AND STOP THEM FROM ALLOWING USES IN THEIR OWN CITIES. 
          AND ARE WE, UH, I GUESS, UH, BOUND TO SELL THEM WATER, UH, FOR 
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WHATEVER USE? SO OUR WATER RIGHTS PERMITS BIND US TO PROVIDING WATER TO OUR CUSTOMER CITIES. 
          WE HAVE A SERVICE AREA ALONG WITH THREE OTHER MAJOR PROVIDERS IN THE REGION. 
          AND THOSE PERMIT WATER USE PERMITS AND RIGHTS PERMITS ARE TIED TO THOSE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, ANOTHER, UH, BIG CONCERN IS, UM, THE SOUND AND THE NOISE THAT COMES FROM DATA CENTERS. 
          UM, IS THERE ANY, ANY STUDY IS THERE, I I KNOW THAT WE, Y'ALL DID THE 3 1 1 REPORTS, AND THIS ISN'T TO YOU SARAH , YOU'RE OFF ON THIS ONE. 
          IS, UM, I MEAN, THAT'S A CONCERN THAT I HEAR FROM, LIKE A LEGITIMATE CONCERN THAT I DO HEAR FROM RESIDENTS, IS THAT HOW TRUE IS IT? UM, IS THERE A, CAN THERE BE BUFFERS PUT IN PLACE? I KNOW THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT THE PLACEMENT OF, OF THE, UH, THE FANS. 
          WE CAN REGULATE THAT. 
          UH, BUT COULD WE ALSO POSSIBLY DO, UH, RESIDENTIAL DISTANCING OR HOW, HOW WOULD THAT LOOK? UH, I'VE BEEN, UH, KIND OF WORKING WITH OTHER CITY CHECK IN ON WHAT THEY DO. 
          SOME CITIES, UH, DO HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT. 
          NOT VERY MANY FOR THE CITY I'VE BEEN, UH, CHECKING WITH, UM, A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THEM DO HAVE STANDARD IN PLACE. 
          AND ONE OF THE STANDARDS IS DISTANT FROM RESIDENTIAL. 
          UM, SOME, UH, EVEN HAVE, EVEN FURTHER, THEY CALL IT SENSITIVE USE IN ONE CITY. 
          I DON'T WANT TO NAME WHICH ONE EVEN SAID, UM, THE ZOO IS, IS A SENSITIVE USE. 
          UM, SO THEY'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          UH, SOME CITY DO NOT HAVE ANY, UH, SPECIFIC STANDARD FOR DATA CENTER. 
          JUST TREAT THEM AS THE SAME AS EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          YOU CANNOT HAVE A NOISE BEYOND YOUR PROPERTY, UH, AT A CERTAIN LEVEL, YEARLY 65, UH, DECIBEL. 
          UM, THAT'S STANDARDS, EVEN YOUR DATA CENTER OR SOMETHING ELSE. 
          YOU CANNOT HAVE THAT NOISE LEVEL BEYOND YOUR PROPERTY LINE AT A CERTAIN LEVEL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MY NEXT QUESTION'S GONNA BE FOR, UH, GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS WITH, UH, ERIC. 
          UH, THE QUESTION IS, HOW DOES GOVERNOR ABBOTT'S ORDER ON GUARDRAILS AND STATE APPROVALS AFFECT DATA CENTER DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY OF DALLAS? IS IT, UH, RETROACTIVE? AND IF, AND IF IT ISN'T, UM, HOW DO, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR EXISTING DATA CENTERS? ERIC DOMINGUEZ, ALSO GOVERNOR AFFAIRS. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. 
          AND SO, UH, YES, GOVERNOR ABBOTT'S ORDER, UM, DOES PROVIDE A LIST OF STIPULATIONS. 
          I DEFINITELY DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 
          UM, IF I CAN ADD ANYTHING ALSO TO THAT DISCUSSION, IS THAT WITHIN THIS PAST MONTH, WE HAVE HAD FOUR COMMITTEE HEARINGS, UM, IN THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE ON THIS ISSUE. 
          UM, ALL THE WAY FROM THE HOUSE COMMITTEE ON STATE AFFAIRS, SENATE COMMITTEE ON FINANCE. 
          UH, AS OF TODAY, THERE WAS ALSO THE SENATE COMMITTEE ON WATER, AGRICULTURE AND RURAL AFFAIRS THAT HAVE ALL TAPED UP THIS ISSUE IN A NUMBER OF WAYS. 
          UM, AS I HAD ALLUDED EARLIER, UH, TO A PREVIOUS COMMITTEE, IS THOSE INTERIM REPORTS ARE GOING TO BE, UH, PRINTED AND DISTRIBUTED FOR, UM, YOUR PURVIEW, UH, FOR YOU TO CONSIDER ABOUT WHAT THE MEMBERS IN THE LEDGE ARE CONSIDERING HOW THIS IMPACTS THE CITY. 
          SO, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AS, AS WE GO TO ROUND TWO, I WANT US TO FOCUS, UH, THE CONVERSATION AROUND A TASK FORCE OR A, UH, COMMISSION, UH, DIRECTING OUR, OUR CITY MANAGER TO, UM, ENACT THIS, UH, LOOKING FOR. 
          UH, WHAT I DO WANNA DO THOUGH IS GET, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THIS BODY ON, ON NAMES ON, ON WHO THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE PARTICIPATE. 
          UM, SO LET'S TRY TO FOCUS THIS NEXT ROUND ON, ON KIND OF WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR NEXT STEPS TO BE. 
          UH, WITH THAT, UH, CHAIR, GRACIE, IF I MAY CHAIR, I WOULD ALSO ASK FOR FEEDBACK ON WHAT YOU WANT THAT TASK FORCE TO ACCOMPLISH, WHAT THEIR MISSION WOULD BE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I JUST WANT TO CONCUR, UH, ECHO WHAT, UH, CHAIR STEWART SAID IN TERMS OF SOME OF THOSE COMMITTEES. 
          THE ONLY OTHER ONE I WOULD ADD IS SOMETHING TECHNOLOGY, BECAUSE AS WE LOOKING AT THESE SPACES, I REMEMBER I WAS USING NOT, I DON'T REMEMBER, I DON'T THINK I WAS AROUND THEN, BUT WHEN COMPUTERS FIRST CAME ONLINE, IT WAS, THEY COVER THE WHOLE ROOM AND EVENTUALLY OVER TIME, THEY BEGAN TO SHRINK. 
          AND I CAN'T HELP BUT TO THINK, RIGHT? AND I CAN'T HELP BUT TO THINK THAT THIS IS GONNA BE SOMETHING AS WELL. 
          SO AS WE'RE PLANNING FOR ALL OF THIS SPACE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD INCLUDE, I'M SURE THAT Y'ALL, YOU ALL ARE INVOLVED FROM A PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN, BUT FROM Y'ALL'S PERSPECTIVE, THINKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE TECHNOLOGY CHANGES SO MUCH THAT THIS BECOMES THIS OR SOMETHING TO THAT POINT, AND WHAT CAN HAPPEN THROUGH THAT TRANSITION. 
          'CAUSE THEN WE'LL 
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BE STUCK WITH THESE BIG OLD FACILITIES WITH NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE CHAIR. 
          THE PIECE THAT I WOULD ADD IS FROM A REAL ESTATE, FROM A PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN, AND FROM A TECHNOLOGY PERSPECTIVE, WHAT HAPPENS AS THIS TECHNOLOGY EVOLVES, I'M HEARING, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING FROM SUPER CELL BATTERIES TO TO, TO WATER AND ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE NOW FROM A, A, A, YOU KNOW, POWERING PERSPECTIVE, BUT JUST STAYING ON TOP OF THAT TECHNOLOGY SO THAT WE CAN BE AHEAD OF IT AS THESE THINGS COME ONLINE. 
          UM, AND WE'RE NOT REGRETTING THE DECISION. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UM, BRITA, CAN, CAN YOU CHIME IN A LITTLE BIT ON KIND OF THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS? I KNOW WE HAD A CONVERSATION, UM, ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO A, A DATA CENTER IF IT, UH, SEES US TO EXIST AS A, THAT OPERATION AND HOW IT TRANSITIONS TO APARTMENTS OR OFFICE. 
          UM, AND SO LET ME, UH, SO ON THE DESIGN COMPONENT, WE COULD, WE, I MIGHT HAND THAT OFF TO EMILY, BUT CERTAINLY I CAN JUST START BY SAYING, WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS THAT CURRENTLY THE INFILL IS THAT THEY'RE OCCUPYING BUILDINGS THAT WERE SOMETHING ELSE. 
          IT'S RELATIVELY TRADITIONAL OFFICE SPACE, UM, IN GENERAL IS WHAT THE OBSERVATION HAS BEEN. 
          AND SO IT DOES NOT SEEM THAT CONVERSION WOULD BE PARTICULARLY DIFFICULT, ALTHOUGH THAT IS, UH, VERY DIFFICULT TO SAY. 
          BUT I'LL HAND THAT OVER TO EMILY. 
          UM, YES, SOMETHING ABOUT, UH, URBAN DESIGN. 
          THERE ARE SOME ARCHITECTS ACTUALLY SPECIALIZE IN DATA CENTER DESIGN. 
          I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD, UH, COMPONENT OF THIS, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER BLAIR. 
          WELL, LIKE, I THINK I'VE HEARD OTHERS SAY WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS, WHAT WE WOULD NEED SOMEONE ON THIS TASK FORCE WHO CAN, UM, TALK TO, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL SOMEONE ON THE TASK, NOT ONLY INTERNALLY WITHIN THE CITY, BUT SOMEONE WHO SPECIALIZES IN DATA CENTERS. 
          UM, I WOULD ALSO BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD NEED SOMEONE FROM ENCORE, ERCOT, UM, SOMEONE WHO, YOU KNOW, DWU. 
          UM, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD GET US STARTED. 
          AND THEN I, I BELIEVE SOMEONE WITH ON WITHIN THIS BODY WOULD ALSO NEED TO BE INCLUDED. 
          UM, AND, AND SOMEONE FROM, ESPECIALLY FROM PLANNING AND ZONING AS TO WHAT TYPE AND, AND WHAT I WOULD ASK PLANNING AND ZONING TO BE ABLE TO, TO PROVIDE US THE BEST USE OF LAND. 
          WHAT WOULD THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION BE, AS WELL AS IF WE NEED TO REDEVELOP THAT PIECE OF LAND AFTER THE FACT, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? AND I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD GET US REALLY GOOD, UH, STARTED ON THIS. 
          THANK YOU, UH, CHAIR WEST. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR FOR ASKING THE QUESTION. 
          UM, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE FOR STAFF, ONCE YOU HEAR ALL THESE, THESE, UH, VARIOUS RECOMMENDATIONS FROM US, AND I THINK THERE'S SOME GOOD ONES TO SORT OF COMPILE THOSE AND THEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO US BASED ON WHAT YOU HEAR, WHICH I ASSUME YOU'RE GONNA DO ANYWAY. 
          AND THEN LET US HELP YOU WITH, WITH THE APPOINTEES. 
          UM, AND, AND WHO THE ACTUAL PEOPLE WOULD BE TO FILL THOSE. 
          I AGREE WITH WHAT MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID HERE. 
          A LIKE A PUBLIC UTILITIES EXPERT, LIKE A, AN ENCORE OR SOMEONE OR, UH, WHOEVER, A DWU AT THE TABLE. 
          SOMEONE FROM PNZ. 
          UM, SOME, AN ENVIRONMENTAL TYPE PERSON, A USER OF, OF DATA CENTERS, UH, A BUILDER. 
          I THINK SOMEBODY MENTIONED THAT. 
          UM, AN ARCHITECT MAYBE. 
          UH, I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING A, A COUNCIL MEMBER ON THERE. 
          I THINK IT COULD GET POLITICAL, POLITICAL, BUT I DON'T KNOW SOMEONE WHO COULD, UH, WE CAN, WE COULD TOSS THAT ONE AROUND A LITTLE BIT LATER. 
          BUT, UM, I, I DON'T WANT TO THIS TO BE POLITICAL. 
          I WANT THIS TO BE ADVISORY AND, UH, UM, BUT I, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A COLLEAGUE WHO COULD TELL US WHAT'S GOING ON, OR AT LEAST A STAFF LIAISON WHO'S ON THE GROUND DOING THIS. 
          AND THEN I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION WILL BE THE CHAIR. 
          SOMEBODY WHO CAN SORT THROUGH THE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, HANDLE MEETINGS, UH, HOLD PUBLIC MEETINGS OCCASIONALLY TO COLLECT FEEDBACK. 
          AND I MEAN, THIS THING COULD BE EXTREMELY CONTROVERSIAL, LIKE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. 
          AND, UH, UH, I, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE, THEY SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR THAT AND BE ABLE TO HANDLE THOSE TYPES 
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OF, OF, OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, VICE CHAIR, RIDLEY COUNCILMAN. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I WOULD DEFINITELY, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY, UM, MAYBE EVEN, UM, SOMEONE FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED TO WORK ON THIS. 
          UM, SO ACCORDING TO A PRESSOR, UM, THAT I HAVE ABOUT THE MARKET CENTER, UH, DATA CENTER, THAT ONE IS POSSIBLY A HYPER SKILL. 
          SO I, OR AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT THE PRESSOR SAYS. 
          I THINK A COMMUNITY MEMBER THAT LIVES NEAR THAT AREA, UM, WOULD BE BENEFICIAL SO THAT WE HAVE SOME COMMUNITY RESIDENTS, UM, ECO DEV, IT, UH, THE COG, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE OUR REGION. 
          AND I BELIEVE THEY'VE ALREADY, THEY'RE STARTED DOING WORK ON THIS AS WELL. 
          UM, WATER UTILITIES, UM, ZONING PLANNING CODE I THINK MIGHT AT LEAST NEEDS TO BE A PART OF THIS. 
          UM, I AGREE WITH THE CHAIR. 
          UM, UH, GRACIE ABOUT ALSO DECOMMISSIONING, SO THAT MAY BE THE ENVIRONMENTAL DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO AIR QUALITY IS ALSO A CONCERN WITH SOME OF THESE FACILITIES. 
          UM, SO SOMEONE AROUND THAT AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER R . 
          UM, I, I SORT OF LOOK AT IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          FIRST, WE, FIRST WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHAT THE TASK FORCE IS GONNA DO. 
          I THINK YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION EARLIER. 
          WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE TASK FORCE AND WHAT'S THEIR MISSION GONNA BE? THEN YOU CAN STAFF THE TASK FORCE ACCORDINGLY. 
          I THINK THAT THE, THE FIRST PART OF IT, AND, AND I, ALL THE, ALL THE SUGGESTIONS, UH, FOR THE STAKEHOLDERS IN THAT TASK FORCE ARE ALL, YOU'VE GOT THE LIST. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, YOU'VE REALLY GOT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT YOU NEED TO DO, BUT THE QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO? AND SO THE FIRST THING IS, IS I THINK, AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR, YOUR VIEW OF WHAT A TASK FORCE WOULD DO, BUT IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT THE FIRST THING IS, IS WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT. 
          SO THE FIRST PART OF THIS TASK FORCE IS TO IDENTIFY AND EXPLAIN TO US AND, AND FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATIONS OF DATA CENTERS AND WHAT ARE THEIR NEEDS? WHAT DO THEY DO? HOW DO THEY OPERATE? THAT'S GOING TO BE A, A, A, A TASK JUST ON ITSELF. 
          THEN WITH THAT INFORMATION, THEN WE CAN SAY, OKAY, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO KNOWING THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF DATA CENTERS? WHAT KIND OF ISSUES COME UP WITH THOSE PARTICULAR DATA CENTERS, WHETHER THEY'RE, UH, TECHNICAL, OPERATIONAL, CONSTRUCTION DEVELOPMENT, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL. 
          THEN YOU CAN START STAFFING PEOPLE ON THE TASK FORCE TO IDENTIFY HOW DO YOU ADDRESS EACH COMPONENT DATA CENTER AND IDENTIFY THE ISSUES AND THE PROBLEMS. AND THEN THE THIRD THING IS THE, THE THIRD PART IS AFTER YOU GET THE INFORMATION, YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, THE PROBLEMS ARE, THEN YOU GOT A THIRD PART OF THE TASK FORCE, WHICH IS, OKAY, LET'S LOOK AT LEGISLATIVE, UM, UH, GUIDELINES, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, SOME KIND OF, OF OF ORDINANCE. 
          THEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT DO YOU DO TO PROVIDE A RESPONSIBLE MEANS OF ENCOURAGING THESE, THESE TYPES OF USES, HELPING MANAGE THESE TYPES OF USES, HELPING BE SENSITIVE TO THESE TYPES OF USES. 
          AND THIS IS A, A THREE OR FOUR PRONGED PLAN. 
          AND SO YOU DON'T START SAYING, WHAT ARE WE GONNA REGULATE IF WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IT? WE DON'T SAY, WELL, LET'S PUT THESE PEOPLE ON THE TASK FORCE IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR TASK IS. 
          SO AGAIN, I NEED FROM YOU TO TELL ME, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          YOU ALL ARE SUPPOSED TO HELP US CRAFT THE PROCESS. 
          AND I WOULD, I WOULD BE, I WOULD ENCOURAGE Y'ALL TO HELP US PLAN THIS TASK, FORCE OBJECTIVES, GOALS, AND A TIMELINE. 
          THIS IS NOT A ONE YEAR DEAL. 
          THIS IS GONNA TAKE A, A, A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AND WE GOTTA DO IT RIGHT. 
          AND 'CAUSE I WANT THIS TO BE SUCCESSFUL. 
          I WANT TO BE A LEADER IN THE TECHNOLOGY BOOM, IN THIS PART OF THE WORLD. 
          OUR, OUR FINANCIAL SERVICE BUSINESSES, OUR AVIATION, OUR TECHNOLOGY, OUR, OUR MEDICAL, OUR, UH, ALL OF THE INDUSTRIES THAT WE ARE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HERE ARE TIED TO TECHNOLOGY. 
          THIS IS A CENTER PART OF OUR DEAL. 
          WE GOTTA GET IT RIGHT. 
          WE GOTTA ENCOURAGE IT. 
          WE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, THAT WE ARE A, A, A USER FRIENDLY, BUSINESS FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT FOR THE COMPANIES THAT ARE NEEDING THIS. 
          YOU ASKED ABOUT NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES. 
          IT'S NOT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING IN THERE TURNING ON THE LIGHTS. 
          IT'S THE COMPANIES 
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THAT ARE GOING TO BE ACCESSING IT. 
          IT'S THE BANKS, IT'S THE TECHNOLOGY PEOPLE, IT'S THE MAJOR CORPORATIONS THAT MAY NEED THIS AS A CENTER OF THEIR OVERALL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT MIGHT WANT TO COME TO DO BUSINESS WITH US IN OTHER WAYS. 
          SO AGAIN, THIS IS A FOUNDATIONAL TYPE OF A NEW BUSINESS THAT WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE IT OUT PROPERLY. 
          AND WE'VE GOT TO BE RECEPTIVE. 
          WE'VE GOT TO BE EMBRACING, WE'VE GOT TO BE THOUGHTFUL AND RESPONSIBLE. 
          SO, SO LET'S LET, AND IN THE MEANTIME, LET'S LOOK AT IT ONE BY ONE, BUT LET'S GET THIS, ROLL IT OUT AS A PLAN, NOT AS A, WE GOTTA DO IT TOMORROW. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, CHAIR STEWART. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          UM, JUST TO RECAP, I HAD SUGGESTED, AS OTHER PEOPLE HAVE O-E-Q-S-D-W AND ENCORE. 
          UM, I THINK, UM, AN ADDITIONAL MORE REGIONAL PERSPECTIVE COULD BE SOMEBODY FROM THE REGIONAL CHAMBER OR SOMEONE FROM THE NORTH TEXAS COMMISSION. 
          AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT JUST GIVES US A SENSE, MAYBE A REPRESENTATIVE OF SOMEONE WHO CAN HELP US UNDERSTAND THE REGIONAL ASPECT OF THIS. 
          UM, BUT, UM, TO DIRECTOR BENTLEY'S QUESTION ON WHAT DO WE WANT THESE PEOPLE TO DO, UM, I THINK IT KIND OF FALLS INTO TWO BUCKETS FOR ME. 
          ONE IS THE USE OF RESOURCES. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT IS BEING HEAVILY DEBATED AT THIS POINT. 
          SO WE NEED TO IDENTIFY WHAT ARE THE RESOURCES AND THEN QUANTIFY IT TO THAT TO SOME EXTENT, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEEDING SOMEBODY FROM DWU THERE, RIGHT? SO IT'S, UM, IT'S USE OF RESOURCES AND THEN IT'S BENEFIT TO THE CITY. 
          UM, AND WE'VE TOUCHED ON THAT BRIEFLY, UH, WHETHER IT'S JOBS OR NEW BUSINESSES. 
          UM, BUT IT, TO ME, THAT'S THE BALANCE, RIGHT? OR WHAT, WHAT IS BEING ASKED FROM US AND, BUT WHAT, HOW DO WE BENEFIT AND HOW DO WE FIND THAT HAPPY MEDIUM WHERE WE ARE ABLE TO GET THE BENEFIT, BUT, UM, I WANNA SAY MINIMIZE THE RESOURCES THAT REQUIRES, BUT AT LEAST HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT THEY ARE AND, AND UNDERSTAND OUR ABILITY, ABILITY TO MEET THOSE DEMANDS. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD ADD IS I HEARD ARCHITECT, BUT MAYBE I WOULD ADD ENGINEER. 
          UM, SOMEONE WHO CAN TALK TO US ABOUT, UH, THE MECHANICS, BUT ALSO THE TECHNOLOGY AND WHERE ARE WE AT TODAY AND WHERE ARE WE GONNA BE TWO YEARS, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, UH, TO CHAIR, UH, STUART'S POINT, THE RESOURCES, THE BENEFITS. 
          UM, I DO WANT TO CREATE A PORTAL FOR, UH, THE PUBLIC, FOR OUR RESIDENTS. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW I'VE ALREADY RECEIVED A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS, LIKE, CAN THE CITY MANDATE DRY COOLING, CLOSED LOOPS, UH, RECYCLING, UH, CAN WE, UH, PUT IN STRICT DECIBEL LIMITS? UM, HOW DO YOU CLASSIFY AND ZONE, UH, DATA CENTERS? UM, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS BODY, UH, WE KNOW SOME LITTLE BIT ABOUT DATA CENTERS, BUT THERE'S A LOT TO LEARN AND A LOT TO UNDERSTAND. 
          AND SO I WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOMETHING, A MECHANISM AVAILABLE FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT WE MIGHT NOT THINK ABOUT OR HEAR WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE AND WHAT THEIR, UM, WHAT THEIR WORRIES ARE. 
          AND TRYING TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS, UH, THOROUGHLY BY, BY EXPERTS. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE, UH, ACADEMIA EXPERTS. 
          I KNOW THAT T-C-S-R-A AT FORT WORTH IS, UH, PARTNERING WITH TCU, I BELIEVE. 
          UM, AND SO DALLAS NEEDS TO, UH, LOOK AT A, A PARTNER LIKE THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE A, UM, A BIASED OPINION ON HOW WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          ALRIGHT, SO I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE DIRECTION WITH THAT. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR THE ROBUST CONVERSATION. 
          UH, WE ARE GOING TO SKIP FOR NOW, ITEM B AND GO TO ITEM 
          [BRIEFING MEMOS (Part 2 of 2)]
C. 
          THAT'S ME. 
          I'M ITEM C. 
          THAT'S A PROJECT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN MORENO AND MEMBERS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE. 
          I'M KEVIN SPATH, DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          I'M HADN'T PLANNED ON PRESENTING ITEM C, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY HERE FOR QUESTIONS. 
          THIS IS A VERY SMALL PROJECT OR REDEVELOP. 
          OKAY, KEVIN, BEFORE, BEFORE YOU GO, LET'S JUST SEE IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON ITEM C CHAIR? STEWART, GO AHEAD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THIS IS ONE I AM VERY EXCITED ABOUT. 
          THIS IS A ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT IN MY DISTRICT. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE I'VE BROUGHT ANY OF THOSE TO DATE. 
          SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT MY FIRST, UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          I BELIEVE, 
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UM, OUR PROPERTY OWNER AND APPLICANT WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          SO, UM, IF YOU ALL HAVE THOSE. 
          I, I KNOW IT'S GETTING LATE. 
          WE'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, SO I WON'T, I WON'T GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL, BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR FIRST PROJECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ROTH. 
          SO WHAT ARE YOU DOING? WHAT ARE YOU BUILDING HERE, ? I'M, I'M LOOKING, I'M SAYING IT. 
          UM, WHY DON'T YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT? UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, IS HE UP THERE? YES. 
          DO, ARE YOU ASKING THAT OF STAFF, MR. ROTH? WHO EVER KNOWS THE, WHOEVER KNOWS THE INFORMATION. 
          I, I'LL RATTLE OFF QUICK. 
          I THINK THAT GUY KNOWS THE BUILDING. 
          THE QUICK VERSION IS RIGHT, THIS IS A 1976 CAR WASH COUNTY LITTLE SITE, RIGHT? UM, THE OWNER DEVELOPERS PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH THAT AND BUILD A TWO STORY MIXED USE BUILDING WITH RETAIL ON THE BOTTOM OFFICE ON THE SECOND FLOOR. 
          UM, IT'LL BE ABOUT 7,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND, AND IT'S ABOUT A $4.75 MILLION PROJECT. 
          THE, UH, TIF BOARD FOR SKILLMAN CORRIDOR, TIF DISTRICT HAS APPROVED 1.18 MILLION AS, AS A SUBSIDY THAT WOULD BE PAID UPON COMPLETION. 
          WHAT TYPE OF TENANTS AND WHAT TYPE, WHAT'S YOUR PLAN THERE IN TERMS OF OCCUPANCY AND, AND ABILITY TO MAKE MONEY THERE? UH, MY NAME IS TREY CHAPMAN, SO I'M THE PRESIDENT OF TIGER WALNUT HILL, WHICH IS THE DEVELOPER THERE. 
          UH, I CURRENTLY OWN AND OPERATE THE CAR WASH THAT'S ON THAT SITE, UH, AND HAVE SINCE 2019. 
          I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN LAKE HIGHLANDS. 
          AND SO I'VE GOT, UM, A HEIGHTENED AWARENESS AND SENSITIVITY TO KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THERE AT THIS INTERSECTION. 
          UH, AND THE GOAL IS REALLY TO BRING IN, UM, YOU KNOW, LOCAL RETAILERS THAT, TO THAT LOWER LEVEL, UM, THAT ARE COMPLIMENTARY TO EACH OTHER. 
          UM, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT VAPE STORES, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THINGS CELL PHONE REPAIR COMPANIES, RIGHT? WE'RE, WE'RE HIGHLY FOCUSED ON THINGS THAT ARE ACCRETIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, TO THE SURROUNDING AREAS, THE SCHOOLS, THE KIDS. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY OUR FOCUS, UM, YOU KNOW, ON, ON BRINGING THOSE FOLKS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          I BELIEVE COFFEE SHOP HAS BEEN MENTIONED,  JUST SAYING, WELL, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS, I, I'M TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF, OF THE ECONOMIC, UH, IMPACT IN THE, TO THE, I WANT TO, I WANT TO GET YOU ALL, GIVE Y'ALL CREDIT FOR DOING A PROJECT THAT WILL DO SOMETHING. 
          YOU OWN THE LAND ALREADY. 
          YOU'RE ALREADY, YOU ALREADY HAVE THE, THE LOCATION. 
          UH, SO WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS BASICALLY YOU'RE BUILDING A NEW BUILDING ON TOP OF AN EXISTING PROPERTY THAT IS ACCURATE, RIGHT? AND THE KEY PIECE, IF, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT KIND OF ECONOMIC IMPACT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND FROM A CAR WASH PERSPECTIVE, UM, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF, OF BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY. 
          UM, IT IS AT A TAXABLE VALUE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, CALL IT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS. 
          AND WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY, ANY SALES TAX, SO TO SPEAK. 
          'CAUSE CAR WASHES DON'T CHARGE SALES TAX, RIGHT? SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OPPORTUNITY OF ECONOMIC IMPACT ON THAT LOCATION, UM, YOU ALL OF A SUDDEN PICK UP THE REAL ESTATE, THE SALES TAX, AND THE BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX AT THAT LOCATION, UM, THAT HASN'T EXISTED SINCE, YOU KNOW, FOREVER. 
          AND, UH, YOU, AND WE'RE PROVIDING A, AN IN ADDITION TO THE TIF MONEY TO HELP YOU DO THAT. 
          WE'RE PROVIDING SOME GRANT MONEY FROM LOAN MONEY. 
          IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING ALSO? IS THERE, I THOUGHT THERE WAS ANOTHER COMPONENT. 
          NO, THERE'S JUST, JUST ONE COMPONENT PAYABLE UPON COMPLETION BRIDGE LOAN. 
          NO, THAT'S HIS RESPONSIBILITY. 
          SO THE, BECAUSE THE CITY'S MONEY DOESN'T COME IN UNTIL COMPLETION, THE DEVELOPER WILL NEED TO BRIDGE OUR MONEY, AND SO HE WILL LIKELY SEEK A LOAN FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WE DON'T NEED A MOTION OR RECOMMENDATION. 
          NO, NONE, NONE IS NECESSARY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO ITEM E. 
          THANKS, TAMMY. 
          ERIC DOMINGEZ, OFFICE OF GOVERNOR AFFAIRS. 
          UM, TODAY, BEFORE YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS GOING TO BE ONE STOP, UH, OF MANY AS WE ARE NOW TEEING OFF TO GO, UH, TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS FOR YOUR INPUT OF ADDITIONAL PRIORITIES, UM, PRIOR TO THIS. 
          AND CERTAINLY THIS IS JUST A CAPSTONE OF THESE ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT BEFORE YOUR COMMITTEE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA PRIORITIES. 
          SO I DEFINITELY WANT TO, UM, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE IN THAT DIALOGUE. 
          AND AS I ALLUDED TO EARLIER, UM, OF THE ANTICIPATED HIGH 
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NUMBER OF BILLS THAT DOES COME BEFORE THE CITY OF DALLAS'S PURVIEW, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WITH LAST SESSION, WE MONITORED A LITTLE UNDER 1900 BILLS. 
          SO THOSE ARE 1900 PRIORITIES THAT HAD THE POTENTIAL IMPACT, UM, OF, OF DIFFERENT ISSUES, DIFFERENT PRIORITIES. 
          AND IT CERTAINLY PROVIDES US WITH, THROUGH YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE STANCE, OUR POSTURE, AND HOW DO WE ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR THOSE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES. 
          SO AGAIN, BEFORE YOU, FOR YOUR COMMITTEE'S CONSIDERATION, UM, AS NOT ONLY THESE, UH, PARTICULAR ISSUES, BUT CERTAINLY IF YOU HAD ADDITIONAL ONES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD, UM, THERE IS TODAY AS WELL AS, UM, AN ADDITIONAL MEETING BEFORE THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, WHICH WILL THEN IN TURN GO BEFORE THE FULL COUNCIL AS WELL. 
          HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, DIRECTOR DOMINGUEZ. 
          UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ERIC OR COMMENTS? UH, COUNCIL MEMBER GRACIE? YEAH. 
          UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS, BUT I KNOW WE JUST FINISHED TALKING ABOUT, UM, DATA CENTERS, AND I'M LOOKING AT NUMBER FIVE. 
          IT SAYS, MONITOR AND EVALUATE ALL PROPOSED LEGISLATIONS RELATED TO DATA CENTERS. 
          AND IT SAYS NO. 
          AND, AND ON TOP OF THAT, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. 
          IT'S, WAS IT A PRIOR LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM ITEM? UM, ABOVE THE TAB ON THE MEMO. 
          OH, I SEE. 
          YES. 
          UH, THAT RECOMMENDATION ACTUALLY WAS BY, UM, CHAIR MARINO AT THE TIME, GOING BEFORE A PRIOR COMMITTEE OF HAVING, UH, US IDENTIFY IF THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE HAD COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL AS A PRIOR LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM ITEM. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR NOTATING THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT THANK YOU. 
          BECAUSE THE LAST ONE WE HAD IT, IT WAS A YES NO OR PURSUE OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE. 
          SO IN THIS CASE, THIS IS ONE I WANT, THESE ARE ITEMS FROM THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, CORRECT? YES. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          WELL, I'D LIKE TO CHANGE THAT TO A YEAR. 
          ANYONE ELSE? I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          IT SEEMS TO ME THAT SOME OF THESE ITEMS ARE OVERLAPPING, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR MONITOR AND EVALUATE ALL LEGISLATION RELATED TO MUNICIPAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE ONE IN NUMBER THREE THAT ALSO REGARDS MONITORING INCENTIVES AND OTHER MEASURES RELATED TO DOWNTOWN OFFICE TO HOUSING CONVERSIONS. 
          ISN'T THREE INCORPORATED WITHIN FOUR? YES, SIR. 
          I WOULD ALSO MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT THIS HELPS US ENCOMPASS ALL BILLS. 
          AND SO THIS PER THE DIRECTION OF THE CHAIR WAS A GOOD, SAFE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO MONITOR ALL LEGISLATION. 
          SO IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT WITHIN THIS LIST, UM, THAT NUMBER FOUR IS AN EXAMPLE, ENCOMPASSES ALL POTENTIAL PROPOSED LEGISLATION THAT WE CAN MONITOR ON BEHALF OF THE CITY. 
          WELL, I'M JUST MINDFUL OF HAVING TOO MANY LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES, BOTH FOR OUR PURPOSES IN TRACKING THEM AND ALSO OUR LEGISLATORS WHO WILL BE OVERWHELMED BY TOO MANY OF THESE. 
          AND SO I'D LIKE TO WINNOW THEM DOWN AS MUCH AS WE CAN, OR AT LEAST GROUP THEM INTO MORE GENERAL TOPICS THAT WOULD ENCOMPASS THE SUBSTANCE OF THESE ITEMS IN FEWER LISTED PRIORITIES. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT RECOMMENDATION. 
          I LOOK FORWARD TO, TO INPUT, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER CADENA. 
          UM, UH, SO ON NUMBER THREE, I WAS WONDERING IF WE COULD TAKE OUT DOWNTOWN AND JUST PUT OFFICE TO HOUSING CONVERSION, BECAUSE ALONG MY STEMMONS AREA, I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF BUILDINGS THAT THAT PROCESS IS TAKING PLACE. 
          AND SO, UM, THAT WOULD MAYBE EXPAND, UM, SOME OF THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY. 
          LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER ROTH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I'M GONNA SPEAK ON ITEM FIVE AS WELL. 
          UH, THE DATA CENTERS AND ONE THAT'S, UH, THAT I REALLY WANT TO EXPLORE AND, AND I'VE HAD A OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO YOU OFFLINE ON THIS ONE. 
          AND THAT'S THE, WHEN THERE'S, UH, TRANSACTIONS THAT HAPPEN ONLINE AND WHERE DOES THAT SALES TAX GO? DOES IT GO WHERE SOMEONE CLICKED IT AT HOME? DOES IT GO WHERE THE WAREHOUSE IS? OR DOES IT GO WHERE THE DATA CENTER TRANSMITTED THAT FIRST SIGNAL OF A, UH, PURCHASE? UM, THERE'S A BIG OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR DALLAS, UH, TO BE ABLE TO CAPTURE NEW SALES TAX. 
          AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO, UH, EXPLORE THAT OPPORTUNITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION, I WILL SHARE WITH YOU THAT AS THIS PROCESS CONTINUES, IN THE INTERIM, THERE ARE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES TO GET DIRECTLY FROM THOSE STATE AGENCIES AND TO HAVE THAT OVERSIGHT TO GET THAT ADDRESSED BY OUR DELEGATION MEMBERS. 
          SO WE CAN CERTAINLY BE PROACTIVE IN RE RESPECT, UM, AND, AND HAVING NOT TO WAIT UNTIL THE END OF SESSION TO HAVE A PROPOSED PASS LEGISLATION. 
          AND SO THANK YOU FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [02:35:01]
UM, AND WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP? DO WE HAVE A, A TENTATIVE MEETING FOR LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS? YES, AND SO WE DO HAVE AN TENTATIVE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS, UM, PER CHAIR MENDELSON. 
          WE ARE CERTAINLY LOOKING AT MIDDLE OF SEPTEMBER. 
          UM, AND SO THIS, UM, WOULD THEN GO MOVE FORWARD TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU NEED ANY FURTHER DIRECTION FROM THE COMMITTEE OTHER THAN PASSING OUT THE ADDITIONAL ADDITIONS OF REMOVING DOWNTOWN OFFICE TO JUST SAY, UH, RELATED TO OFFICE TO HOUSING CONVERSIONS PER THE RECOMMENDATION AND ALSO THE RECOMMENDATION IF, UH, YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UM, INCORPORATE, MONITOR, AND EVALUATE ALL LEGISLATION RELATED TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVES? OKAY. 
          UM, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A, A ISSUE WITH REMOVING DOWNTOWN. 
          I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE WAS A REASON WHY WHILE IT, WHILE WHY IT READ THAT WAY. 
          SO THIS WAS ACTUALLY A COUNCIL RECOMMENDATION, AND SO WE LIKE TO TRA UH, WE LIKE TO BE TRANSPARENT AND, UH, DEFINITELY FORTHCOMING. 
          THAT'S TO MAKING SURE THAT IT READS EXACTLY AS THE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HAD PRESENTED IT. 
          AND SO THAT WAS THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE THAT ALONG TO THEM AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO REMOVING DOWNTOWN? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN WHAT ABOUT, UM, ADDING, UH, UH, DATA CENTERS? WE'RE ALL GOOD. 
          NUMBER FIVE? UM, YES. 
          BUT IN PRIOR, UM, OR WOULD YOU ADD, UM, , UM, LET'S, LET'S WORK THROUGH THAT WORDING. 
          I KNOW THAT WE'LL STILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY AT LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS, SO LET'S GATHER THAT IN, MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT, NOW WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM F FARMER'S MARKET. 
          THANK Y'ALL FOR BEING PATIENT WITH US. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON BACK AGAIN. 
          UH, THIS IS AN INFORMATIONAL UPDATE, UH, IN 2023. 
          I WON'T GO THROUGH THE FULL MEMO, BUT IN 2023, UM, PAID PARKING WAS IMPLEMENTED IN THE CITY OWNED PORTION OF THE FARMER'S MARKET PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE. 
          300 SPACES ARE THERE BOTH AT THE BASEMENT LEVEL ON THE FIRST FLOOR. 
          UM, THIS COMMITTEE UNDER THE, UH, MAINTENANCE AND MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE MMA THAT THE CITY HAS HAD IN PLACE BETWEEN THE, UH, FARMER'S MARKET MANAGER IN THE CITY SINCE 2017. 
          THIS BODY HAS THE, UH, HAS THE AUTHORITY TO IMPLEMENT PAID PARKING. 
          AND SO IT DID SO IN 2023. 
          UM, AND SO THE REST OF THE MEMO JUST SUMMARIZES, UM, THE HISTORY OF THE PARKING REVENUES THAT HAVE BEEN REALIZED, UH, IN 20 24, 20 25, 20 26, BOTH THE CITY SHARE AND THE MANAGER SHARE. 
          UH, PAGE THREE, THE MEMO, UH, HIGHLIGHTS THE AVERAGE MONTHLY PARKING REVENUES, AND THEN ALSO A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE OF THE FARMER'S MARKET ITSELF SINCE PAID PARKING WAS IMPLEMENTED AS WELL AS VISITOR DATA, UM, SINCE PAID PARKING WAS IMPLEMENTED. 
          UH, ALL THINGS ARE POINTING POSITIVELY. 
          UM, WE DON'T, UH, SEE ANY NEED TO CHANGE, UM, THE, THE, UH, HOURS, THE, THE COST PER HOUR, ANY OF THE FEE STRUCTURE THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY THIS COMMITTEE IN 2023. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND SO IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME, UH, CORRECT, WE INITIATED THIS, UH, TO GET TURNOVER, BUT ALSO, UH, I KNOW THAT PEOPLE WERE PARKING THERE ALL DAY AND GOING TO NEARBY, UH, OTHER EMPLOYERS OR APARTMENTS. 
          UM, HAVE WE SOLVED THAT? DO WE SEE A AND MAYBE THE, UH, THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE MARKET, UH, WHEN, UH, UH, YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN INVITE THEM DOWN, BUT I THINK, YEAH, THE, THE PROBLEM THAT WE WERE TRYING TO SOLVE FOR WAS, UH, NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF LONG-TERM RESIDENTS, LONG-TERM PARKING BY RESIDENTS IN THE AREA, AND WORKERS IN THE AREA WHO WERE PARKING IN THE SPACES THAT WERE INTENDED FOR RETAIL, UH, PATRONS. 
          AND SO THE, THIS HAS BEEN A USEFUL MANAGEMENT TURNOVER, UH, TOOL. 
          AND, UM, SO THIS IS, UH, THE GROUP WITH SPECTRUM STRATEGIES, THE MANAGER OF THE FARMER'S MARKET, AND THEY CAN RESPOND IN ANY WAY YOU WANT. 
          HI, THANK YOU FOR, UM, LISTENING TO US. 
          I'M EMILY VALENTINA WITH THE DALLAS FARMER'S MARKET. 
          SO WE SUPPORT OVER 200 SMALL BUSINESSES THAT, UM, RUN OUT OF THE DALLAS FARMER'S MARKET. 
          WE WERE, UH, AS THE MEMO STATES, WE WERE HAVING A BIG PROBLEM. 
          THERE'S VERY FEW FREE PARKING IN DOWNTOWN. 
          SO ALL THE APARTMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT UP AROUND THE 
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FARMER'S MARKET, UH, SINCE IT WAS REDEVELOPED, WOULD PARK THERE FOR FREE, INSTEAD OF PAYING THEIR APARTMENT COMPLEXES, THE 75 TO A HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH THAT THEY WERE CHARGING. 
          SO ALL OF OUR VISITOR PARKING WAS BEING TAKEN UP BY THE RESIDENTIAL SURROUNDING THE FARMER'S MARKET. 
          AND THEN AS DALLAS MORNING NEWS MOVED, UH, DOWN ON HARWOOD, WE WERE SEEING THEIR EMPLOYEES PARKING IN THE FREE GARAGE. 
          INSTEAD OF PAYING, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE STREET, WE SAW UBER DRIVERS, PEOPLE WOULD BE GOING TO, UM, AT AND T STADIUM AND OTHER VENUES TO, AND SO THEY WOULD PARK FOR FREE IN THE FARMER'S MARKET GARAGE, AND THEIR UBER WOULD PICK THEM UP AND TAKE 'EM TO THE OTHER VENUES. 
          SO THIS HAS HELPED TREMENDOUSLY WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING THE VISITORS THAT ARE COMING TO THE FARMER'S MARKET TO PARK IN THE GARAGE SHOP AND THEN TURNOVER AND, AND THE PEOPLE THAT WERE LONG-TERM PARKING ARE NO LONGER PARKING THERE. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR APPROVING IT. 
          YOU, UH, VICE CHAIR RIDLEY. 
          WELL, I WOULD JUST OBSERVE THE SIGNIFICANT STATISTIC HERE ON PAGE THREE, THAT THE VISITORS PER MONTH HAS INCREASED SINCE YOU MADE THIS CHANGE. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          TO A RECORD TOTAL OF 65,000, WHICH INDICATES TO ME THAT PEOPLE ARE STAYING A SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME AND TURNING OVER THOSE SPACES. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          FOR RETAIL, UH, GUESTS. 
          WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT. 
          COUNCILMAN ENA. 
          SO, I, I KIND OF REMEMBER WHEN WE MADE THIS CHANGE, BUT REMIND ME, UM, I GUESS WHICH LOTS DO, UM, ARE PAID NOW, AND IF THERE'S SOME THAT ARE, I GUESS, LIKE 15 MINUTES FREE, THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          SURE. 
          SO THE ONE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE MAIN GARAGE, UH, THAT'S AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HARVEST LOFTS. 
          AND THEN THERE'S FREE STREET PARKING THAT IS CITY OWNED STREET PARKING. 
          I'M ASSUMING ONE DAY IT'LL TURN INTO METERS, , I DON'T KNOW. 
          UH, SO THERE IS FREE STREET PARKING ALL AROUND THE FARMER'S MARKET. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE'S ONE LOT THAT IS, UM, BETWEEN, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE FARMER'S MARKET, BETWEEN THE MARKET BUILDING AND HERTADO BARBECUE, IT'S A VERY SMALL LOT THAT IS PAID PARKING AFTER 15 MINUTES. 
          UM, IT'S PAID PARKING, BUT THAT'S A PRIVATELY HELD LOT. 
          AND THE MAIN GARAGE IS, UH, THERE'S NOT ANY FREE PARKING. 
          IT'S JUST TWO HOURS FREE. 
          OH, TWO HOURS FREE UHHUH . 
          AND OUR AVERAGE STAY IS 64 MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU CAN, UM, WELL, THAT'S STAY DOUBLE THE TIME. 
          THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW, BECAUSE I USED TO GO ALL THE TIME WHEN I WAS AN EMPLOYEE, AND I REMEMBER WHEN IT CHANGED. 
          I WAS LIKE, WHERE DO I PARK NOW? SO I DON'T ALWAYS GO OVER THERE BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HAVE TO PAY IF I WAS GOING FOR LUNCH. 
          SO THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT THERE YEAH. 
          TWO HOURS FREE. 
          YOU WOULD LOVE, WE, WE LOVE CITY EMPLOYEES. 
          WE GET A LOT OF THEM FOR LUNCH. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER ROTH. 
          UM, SO HOW OFTEN, UH, DO WE EVALUATE, UH, ANY RATE INCREASES AND HOW, HOW IS THAT MADE IF NEEDED? THIS IS THE PROCESS, AND SO BECAUSE IT'S THE 300 SPACES ARE PUBLICLY OWNED, THIS BODY COULD ASK FOR AN ANNUAL UPDATE. 
          UM, THE REASON WHY THE TWO YEARS HAS GONE, COME AND GONE IS BECAUSE THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY MANDATED BY THIS BODY IN 2023, REQUEST IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          CAN WE COME AND I THINK WE HAVE TO REQUEST YEAH. 
          THE OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THAT HAS TO BRING IT TO YOU FOR A RATING, BUT, SO SHE'S RIGHT. 
          THE, THE MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT DOES SAY THAT ANY CHANGES IN, IN A FEE STRUCTURE WOULD HAVE TO BE REQUESTED BY THE MANAGER, BUT THIS BODY COULD ALSO REQUEST UPDATES. 
          THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY THAT YOU COULDN'T. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT, BUT THAT THERE'S NOT A FEE, A STRUCTURE PROPOSAL TODAY. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE FARMER'S MARKET? EMILY? UM, SO I'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CONCERN, OR PEOPLE WHO HAVE CONCERNS WHERE THEY GO IN AND SAVE FOR UNDER TWO HOURS AND, BUT THEY'RE STILL GETTING CHARGED MM-HMM . 
          THROUGH THE AUTOMATIC SYSTEM WHEN THEY HAVE A CREDIT CARD ON FILE, CAN YOU, THAT SHOULDN'T BE HAPPENING, CORRECT? SURE. 
          SO ANYTIME THAT HAPPENS, I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE ANYBODY THAT HAS THAT CONCERN, JUST HAVE 'EM EMAIL INTO THE FARMER'S MARKET, AND THEN WE HELP FACILITATE. 
          THAT'S FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. 
          IT'S THE METROPOLIS SYSTEM THAT'S USED IN THOUSANDS OF GARAGES ACROSS THE UNITED STATES. 
          THERE'S, UH, I THINK THE CITY ACTUALLY NOW CONTRACTS WITH METROPOLIS AS WELL, SO TO RUN MULTIPLE GARAGES. 
          SO IF THAT HAPPENS, THAT'S JUST A TECHNICAL GLITCH, AND THEY JUST NEED TO EMAIL THE FARMER'S MARKET, AND WE WILL, YOU KNOW, HELP FACILITATE. 
          BUT ALSO METROPOLIS DOES HAVE A, A GOOD, 
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UM, CHAT AND PER LIVE PERSON THAT PEOPLE CAN TALK TO. 
          IT'S REALLY, I WOULD SAY THE PAST YEAR THEY'VE UPDATED THE TECHNOLOGY AND CHANGED IT OUT. 
          AND I'VE SEEN VERY FEW OF THOSE EMAILS COME IN. 
          I WOULD SAY WHEN WE STARTED, IT WAS A LITTLE MORE ROUGH , BUT THE TECHNOLOGY, THE PARKING TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED RAPIDLY. 
          SO WITH THE CAMERA SYSTEMS, THANK YOU. 
          BUT YEAH, IF YOU GET ANY, SEND 'EM MY WAY. 
          PERFECT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, YOU GUYS ARE EXCUSED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, UH, JUST IN TIME, WE ARE BACK ON ITEM B. 
          LAST ITEM GUYS, AND, UH, ANDREA, LET'S JUST HAVE A SUPER, SUPER QUICK UPDATE IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR. 
          UM, AS WE SAID LAST TIME WHEN WE CAME IN FRONT OF YOU IN APRIL, UH, WE ARE NOW PROVIDING YOU THE, THE FIRST OF THE QUARTERLY, UM, UPDATES OR MEMOS ON THE STATUS OF ALL THE AUTHORIZED HEARINGS THAT WE HAVE, UM, RIGHT NOW WORKING. 
          UM, THE FIRST, IF YOU LOOK IN YOUR PACKET, THE FIRST FOUR OR FIVE PAGES IS THE MEMO. 
          UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, I'M HERE. 
          WE'RE PROPOSING TO BRING THE NEXT ONE OR TO SEND IT TO YOU IN DECEMBER, AND THEN EVERY QUARTER AFTER THAT, MARCH, JUNE, SEPTEMBER. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GONNA START, UM, SENDING AS A BRIEFING. 
          AND THEN THE SECOND PORTION OF THE, UH, OF THE PACKET THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS A PRESENTATION OF THE CHANGES TO THE PROCESS. 
          I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION BECAUSE IT'S LONG, UH, AND WE'RE AT THE END. 
          UM, BUT IF YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH IT AND YOU EITHER WANNA ASK ME QUESTIONS, I WOULD LIKE THE COMMITTEE'S INPUT OR DIRECTIONS OR THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN ON CHANGING THE PROCESS FOR AUTHORIZED HEARINGS. 
          TWO MAIN CHANGES IN THE PROCESS IS THAT COUNCIL WOULD BE THE AUTHORIZING BODY, AND CPC WOULD RECOMMEND AT YOUR, UM, THIS, UM, UH, BODY'S, UM, THE, UM, INTENT TO LET US EXPLORE THAT. 
          AND THE SECOND ONE, TO HAVE A SUNSET PERIOD TO ALWAYS BRING IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, AUTHORIZED HEARINGS IF THEY LINGERED. 
          SO TO KEEP US ON OUR TOES AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MOVING THEM, THERE IS A LOT MORE INFORMATION. 
          THE PRESENTATION, AGAIN, I CAN GO THROUGH IT, I CAN COME BACK, WHATEVER YOU WANT. 
          WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO TO QUESTIONS. 
          UH, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I'M GONNA START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          BLAIR, DID I HEAR, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UM, CHAIR AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          I'M LOOKING ON PAGE SIX OF YOUR PRESENTATION WHERE IT SAYS THAT, UM, THE, THE, RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY COUNSEL CAN DO A FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO, OR, OR CPC CAN DO A THREE SIGNATURE MEMO TO GET THINGS TO AUTHORIZED HEARING OR THROUGH A PROCESS. 
          AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT YOU'RE REMOVING COUNSEL'S ABILITY TO DO A FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO. 
          AND IT WOULD BE TAKE A THREE SIGNATURE MEMO FROM, FROM CPC, AND COUNSEL WOULD THEN COME BACK AND APPROVE IT. 
          WHAT, WHAT WE'RE SEEING, AGAIN, BASED ON, UH, DISCUSSION EARLIER YEAR DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAVE TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS AND BASED ON THE BUDGETARY AND STAFFING IMPLICATIONS THAT THIS AUTHORIZED HEARING HAVE FOR US AS WELL AS A WIDER VIEW THAT NEEDS TO BE AT THE DIRECTION OF COUNCIL. 
          WE ARE SAYING THAT ONLY COUNCIL WOULD BE THE AUTHORIZING BODY. 
          AND CBC CAN BE A RECOMMENDATION BODY. 
          THEY STILL CAN RECOMMEND TO YOU TO AUTHORIZE A HEARING IN AN AREA. 
          BUT THE ULTIMATE DECISION TO AUTHORIZE A HEARING WOULD LIE WITH CITY COUNCIL. 
          BUT WHAT IT'S, WHAT I'M READING HERE IS SAYING NEW INITIAL MEETING, UH, WITH COUNCIL, CONFIRM COMPLIANCE WITH ELIGIBILITY BOUNDARIES, RE UH, REVIEW WITH GIS TEAM AND THAT THE SUN SETTING PIECE WOULD BE, COUNCIL WOULD BE A, DOING A FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO, OR CPC WOULD BE DOING AN, WOULD BE DOING A THREE SIGNATURE MEMO TO, UH, RECOMMEND TO COUNSEL. 
          YES. 
          SO I'M SEEING ALL OF THOSE STEPS BEING REMOVED FROM THE PROCESS. 
          NO, THOSE ARE ADDITION TO THE PROCESS. 
          YES. 
          SO WHAT SEE IN, IN GREEN IS AN ADDITION TO THE PROCESS. 
          SO, OKAY, SO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER BLA WHAT PAGE ARE WE ON? THIS IS PAGE SIX. 
          PAGE SIX OF THE PRESENTATION, WHICH IT, WHICH TO ME IT LOOKS LIKE THIS WOULD BE A RECOMMEND. 
          UM, 
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SO YOU SAYING THE GRAY PORTION, BUT SEE, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT STEP, WHEN YOU GO DOWN TO THE GREEN, IT'S SAYING IT'S SUNSETTING. 
          SO ANYTHING TO ME THAT SAYS SUNSETTING, IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THE GRAY IS ALL SUNSET STEPS. 
          NO, NO COUNCILWOMAN, THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. 
          UH, ANYTHING THAT'S IN GRAY WILL STAY. 
          ANYTHING THAT'S IN GREEN WOULD BE AN ADDITION. 
          SO FOR THE AUTHORIZATION, EITHER COUNCIL CAN AUTHORIZE BY A FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO. 
          WHAT I SEE, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT SAYS, OR CBC BY A THREE SIGNATURE MEMO CAN RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL, THE SUN SETTING IS A SUNSET OF OPEN AUTHORIZED HEARINGS THAT WE DIDN'T TAKE ANY ACTION. 
          WE PROPOSED WITHIN TWO YEARS. 
          SO WE'RE SAYING IT'S NOT SUNSETTING, IT'S ACTUALLY BRINGING IT IN FRONT OF COUNCIL. 
          IF WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ON UNAUTHORIZED HEARING, WE SAID TWO YEARS COUNCIL IS OPEN TO TELL US MORE FREQUENT THAN THAT. 
          IF WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ON UNAUTHORIZED HEARING FOR TWO YEARS, WE'RE COMING BACK IN FRONT OF COUNCIL FOR RECONSIDERATION AND COUNSEL CAN DECIDE TO YOU CONTINUE IT OR WITH DE AUTHORIZED. 
          THAT'S THE SUN SETTING. 
          IT'S, IT'S A COMPLETELY SEPARATE OH, OKAY. 
          CHANGE. 
          SO LET ME MAKE SURE THAT I'M SAYING IT, I'M REPEATING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          SO, AND, AND I WOULD MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT, THAT THERE IS MORE CLARIFICATION GIVEN TO PAGE SIX. 
          SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE MEMO IN THE FRONT WHERE YOU, YOU TALK ABOUT THE, THE CASES THAT ARE PENDING YOU, AND YOU SAID THERE ARE SIX PENDING CASES. 
          THERE ARE THREE CASES THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING PROCESSED FOR DEAUTHORIZATION. 
          THAT WOULD BE, UM, BUT WHEN YOU GO BACK AND YOU READ MORE INTO THE MEMO, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UM, THERE'S ONE THAT, THERE'S TWO THAT ARE BEING DEED AND REAUTHORIZED WITH NEW BOUNDARIES, WHICH I KNOW ABOUT. 
          BUT THEN THAT MEANS THERE WOULD BE ONE THAT IF I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY, THERE MAY BE ONE THAT IS BEING DEEDED COMPLETELY. 
          AND, AND, BUT SO WHEN, AND THEN WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR PRESENTATION ON PAGE SIX, YOU'RE SAYING IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONAL CA AUTHORIZED HEARING FROM WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW, IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL OLD AUTHORIZED HEARINGS THAT ARE OLDER THAN TWO YEARS OLD, YOU WOULD NEED THEM TO, YOU WOULD NEED COUNSEL. 
          YOU WOULD NEED THE FULL BODY OF COUNSEL TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE CASES. 
          SO DO YOU HAVE A LIST OF ANY CASES THAT ARE OVER TWO YEARS OLD THAT IS NOT IN, IN, NOT IN THE NOTE. 
          THAT'S UP UPFRONT. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. 
          UH, COUNCILWOMAN, THERE ARE TWO PARTS OF THE PRESENTATION. 
          THE MEMO THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU REFERS TO THE OPEN AUTHORIZED HEARINGS. 
          WE WILL CONTINUE WITH THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. 
          THIS DON'T HAVE A SUNSET IN CLAUSE, NO NOTHING. 
          WE WILL WORK ON THEM. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE. 
          THE POWERPOINT THAT IS TITLED CHANGES OR AUTHORIZED HEARING PROCESS IMPROVEMENT FOLLOW UP INCLUDES IDEAS BASED ON EARLIER CONVERSATIONS FOR NEW AUTHORIZED HEARING. 
          WE WANNA IMPROVE THE PROCESS AND WE WANNA B IT UP A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO THIS SUNSET PERIOD WILL APPLY TO NEW AUTHORIZED HEARINGS THAT WOULD BE AUTHORIZED BASED ON THIS NEW PROCESS. 
          IT WILL NOT INVOLVE THE ONES THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON. 
          WELL, OKAY, THEN I UNDER I UNDERSTAND I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND JUST TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL SAYING THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ANY CASE THAT IS ALREADY IN PROCESS. 
          IT'S IN PROCESS. 
          IT IS WHERE IT IS, YES. 
          AND YOU'RE DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          AND THAT'S FINE AND DANDY. 
          YES. 
          ANY NEW CASES BASED ON THIS PRESENTATION THAT YOU HAVE, THESE ARE THE NEW STEPS THAT YOU WOULD GO THROUGH ON PAGE SIX. 
          IF YOU HAVE, IF, IF YOU FOLLOW THE NEW PROCESS, ANY NEW AUTHORIZED HEARINGS THAT COME IN, THEY, THEY CAN STILL BE INITIATED BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          THEY CAN STILL BE INITIATED BY C BY UM, COMMITTEE? NO, JUST ONLY BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO OUR COMMISSIONERS WOULD THEN ALL HAVE TO COME TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER AND SAY, I WANNA AUTHORIZE HEARING TO DO X, Y, AND Z IN THIS AREA OF THE DISTRICT. 
          AND IT WOULD BE UP TO US TO GET FIVE SIGNATURE MEMOS TOGETHER TO 
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MOVE THAT THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          AND THEN IF BY SOME COINCIDENCE, AFTER A TWO YEAR PERIOD, THOSE, THOSE REQUESTS HAVE NOT BEEN MOVED FORWARD, THEN THEY WILL NEED TO COME BACK TO COUNSEL FOR COUNSEL TO MAKE A NEW DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO CONTINUE WITH, WITH THAT AUTHORIZED HEARING OR NOT TO, TO CONTINUE WITH THAT AUTHORIZED HEARING AND TO LET IT GO AWAY NATURALLY INSTEAD OF YOU HAVING ZONING CA UM, AUTHORIZED HEARINGS, UH, REQUEST FOR SIX YEARS AND EIGHT YEARS. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ANDREA, DO WE NEED, UH, A RECOMMENDATION TODAY? WHATEVER THE BODY WANTS? I WOULD IDEALLY. 
          SO ALL OF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE. 
          ALL, ALL OF THESE CHANGES WILL REQUIRE EITHER A CODE AMENDMENT OR CHANGES TO THE CITY PLAN, COMMISSION RULES OR PROCEDURES. 
          SO THE CHANGES I AM PLANNING TO BRIEF CPC, SO THEY KNOW WE WILL WORK ON SOME CHANGES AND WE WILL START WORKING ON THEM. 
          I WOULD LIKE, OR IF, IF THE BODY DOESN'T WISH, SO THAT'S FINE TOO. 
          BUT I WOULD LIKE TO, TO GIVE, TO GET A LITTLE BIT THUMBS UP, GUIDANCE OR SOMETHING. 
          THIS IS NOT GONNA BE IMMEDIATELY CHANGE IN THE PROCESS BECAUSE WHO AUTHORIZES THE CHANGE, THE, THE AUTHORIZED HEARING, SORRY FOR REPETITION OF WORDS, NEEDS TO BE WRITTEN IN THE CODE. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE A CODE CHANGE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I I'M GONNA GO NEXT TO OUR OTHER FORMER CPC, UM, COMMISSIONER 'CAUSE THEY'RE VERY WELL VERSED IN THIS AREA. 
          UH, VICE CHAIR RIDLEY. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          SO, UH, JUST ONE QUESTION, ANDREA, UM, RELATING TO THE CHART IN PAGE SIX. 
          SO THE IDEA IS, UH, TO INITIATE THIS REFORM ABOUT WHO CAN AUTHORIZE A HEARING. 
          I UNDERSTAND THE OBJECTIVE IS TO MAKE CITY COUNCIL THE ONLY BODY THAT CAN DO THAT, BUT WHERE YOU INSERT UNDER ITEM FOUR IN THE BOX THAT CPCA THREE SIGNATURE MEMO CAN BE USED TO RECOMMEND TO COUNSEL. 
          I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S NECESSARY, SINCE ANY INDIVIDUAL CPC MEMBER CAN APPEAL TO THEIR COUNCIL MEMBER TO DO THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          POINT TAKEN. 
          SURE. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          SO WOULD YOU STILL MAKE THIS A FORMAL PROCESS AT CPC? AND THERE MAY BE SOME VALUE IN THAT, IN THAT THE BODY OF CPC, OR AT LEAST I GUESS IT WOULD JUST TAKE THREE MEMBERS, UM, WOULD HAVE TO AGREE THAT THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT STEP TO TAKE SO THAT IT WOULD HAVE MORE IMPACT THAN JUST AN INDIVIDUAL PLAN COMMISSIONER APPEALING TO THEIR COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          UM, HAVE YOU THOUGHT THROUGH THAT? YES. 
          WE WERE THINKING THAT CITY PLAN COMMISSION, UH, THEY ARE THE RECOMMENDING ZONING BODY AND OBVIOUSLY PLANNING BODY. 
          SO MAYBE CITY COUNCIL WANTS CITY PLAN COMMISSION TO WEIGH IN TO THE SCOPE OF THE AUTHORIZED HEARING OR TO JUST PLANNING AND ZONING ANGLES. 
          OBVIOUSLY IF WE WANNA MOVE THE AUTHORIZATION TO CITY COUNCIL, AS I SAID, CITY COUNCIL HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE PURVIEW OVER, BUT BUDGET AND OTHER, OTHER, OTHER THINGS. 
          SO WE WANTED TO, THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE INPUT THAT I WAS HOPING TO GET FROM, UH, COUNCIL COMMITTEE TO TODAY TO SEE, YES, CITY PLAN COMMISSION CAN BE A RECOMMENDATION EVEN FOR THE AUTHORIZATION BECAUSE OF CONVERSATION OF THE ENTIRE BODY OF CPC MAY BE USEFUL. 
          YES. 
          UM, AND ALSO I ADDED IN THERE, IN THE INITIATION PORTION OF, OF AUTHORIZED HEARINGS, USUALLY I THINK IS THE ONE THAT WE NEED TO BEEF UP. 
          WE NEED TO CREATE A BETTER SCOPE FOR THESE AUTHORIZED HEARINGS. 
          SOMETIMES WE ARE IN FRONT OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE, THE LANGUAGE IS SO WIDE THAT WE HAVE TO DO A PLANNING AND ZONING EXERCISE IN THE SAME TIME. 
          SO IN ORDER TO HAVE A VERY CLEAR WHY AND WHAT WE WERE THINKING THAT THE INITIATION WOULD BE WITH COUNCIL OFFICE, WITH THE CITY PLAN COMMISSIONER COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO WITH STAFF. 
          AND WHEN WE COME IN FRONT OF YOU TO ASK YOU TO AUTHORIZE, BECAUSE YOU ASKED US TO COME, WE CAN COME WITH A, WITH A SCOPE ALREADY WRITTEN, NOT JUST THE AUTHORIZATION MEMO, BUT MAYBE A STAFF REPORT THAT CONTAINS THE SCOPE, THE BOUNDARIES. 
          IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE WORKED IN THE BEGINNING. 
          SO THEN WE CAN SPEED IT OFF WHEN WE WORK. 
          AS I SAID, SOMETIMES WE GO IN FRONT OF THE COMMUNITY AND UM, WE HAVE TO LIKE WALK BACK A LITTLE BIT TO SEE WHY ARE WE HERE. 
          YEAH, I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO HAVE THE PROCESS BETTER PREPARED BEFORE IT'S SUBMITTED TO COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR APPROVAL SO THAT WE'RE NOT JUST WRITING A BLANK CHECK 
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FOR SOMETHING, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT SHAPE IT'S GONNA TAKE. 
          SO AT THIS POINT, UH, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE DIRECT THE STAFF TO PROCEED WITH TWO PROPOSED PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN COME BACK AT A FUTURE DATE TO THIS COMMITTEE WITH THEIR, UH, ACTUAL LANGUAGE FOR THOSE CHANGES. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY, UH, DISCUSSION? SAYING NONE? NO, I'VE GOT DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          DIDN'T SEE YOU GUYS. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I'M COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          I'M REAL UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS AND I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH US THE WAY WE'RE HANDLING THIS. 
          UH, WE, WE, YOU, YOU PROVIDE US WITH A PROPOSAL TO AMEND STUFF. 
          AND MAYBE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER THIS. 
          AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING, UM, UH, AUTHORIZATIONS FOR LAND USE AND FOR MAKING ZONING CHANGES, IT JUST BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S IN, IT'S NOT EFFICIENT OR IT'S, IT'S GONNA COST OR IT'S GONNA REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE STAFF TIME. 
          THIS IS BIG INFORM, THIS IS A BIG DEAL TO ME. 
          I AM NOT WANTING TO RELINQUISH OUR ABILITY TO MAKE DECISIONS HERE AND, AND, AND TO LIMIT IT TO, TO, TO DO THIS. 
          I, I THINK THAT I, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION HERE. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE IT. 
          IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT. 
          BUT YOU MADE A, A MEMO, A BRIEFING HERE, AND I DIDN'T, NOBODY'S YOU HAVEN'T EXPLAINED IT TO ME. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT NOW IN 10 MINUTES. 
          'CAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO HOME. 
          THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT WAY TO DO THIS. 
          AND, AND I'M NOT SURE WHEN IS THIS GONNA COME UP WITH THIS IS WE ARE GONNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. 
          YOU'RE GONNA PROVIDE AN ORDINANCE CHANGE AND THEN IT'S GONNA GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND WE'RE NOT GONNA EVEN HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT IT. 
          AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS. 
          I REALLY AM. 
          AND I DON'T LIKE THIS. 
          AND I THINK THAT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT THING. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOMEONE HAS THEIR MIC ON VIRTUALLY. 
          I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, THAT WE DON'T MOVE THIS FORWARD UNTIL WE'VE HAD A, A, A, SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BRIEFING. 
          AND IF IT'S MY FAULT THAT I DIDN'T READ THIS CLOSE ENOUGH AFTER TWO DAYS AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT, I DON'T CARE. 
          I WANT TO KNOW IT MORE. 
          AND I THINK MY COLLEAGUES SHOULD KNOW IT MORE TOO. 
          SO, UM, THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER ROTH. 
          AND SO, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ACTION TODAY, BUT I, I DO SEE, UH, OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER COME TO THE TABLE. 
          UM, AND PLEASE CHIME IN HERE IN A SECOND. 
          UH, BUT ANDREA, UM, IF YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS OF HOW WE GOT HERE. 
          YES, GUYS, SOMEONE HAS THEIR MIC ON VIRTUALLY. 
          UM, THIS IS NOT THE, THE FIRST TIME WE WERE HEARING THIS TODAY. 
          UM, WE, WE HAVE HAD IT A A NUMBER OF TIMES, BUT, BUT ALSO TALK ABOUT WHY WE'RE HERE. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO STREAMLINE THINGS. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THINGS ARE MOVING MORE EFFICIENTLY. 
          UH, NOW WE ABSOLUTELY WANT TO HAVE GUIDANCE FROM OUR COMMUNITY. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE COMMUNITY MEMBERS KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING, IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES IN IN THEIR AREA. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING IS FOR, FOR ANY AUTHORIZED, UH, HEARING, EVERYBODY IN THAT ZONE IS NOTIFIED BY, BY, UH, BY MAIL THAT THERE'S A CHANGE COMING. 
          UH, BUT, UH, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, BENTLEY, GO AHEAD. 
          RIGHT. 
          NOT ONLY NOTIFIED BY MAIL, WE HAVE A MINIMUM OF TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          PROBABLY MANY, MANY MORE THAN THAT ON THESE. 
          SO ESSENTIALLY IT'S THE CITY SAYING, WE WANT TO REZONE A PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          IT'S AN EXPENSIVE UNDERTAKING. 
          IT'S A LABORIOUS UNDERTAKING FOR STAFF. 
          AND NOTHING'S CHANGING ON THE COUNCIL'S APPROVAL RIGHTS RIGHT NOW WITHOUT COUNSEL APPROVING IT. 
          THE CPC CAN ALSO INITIATE THIS PROCESS, WHICH TAKES AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF STAFF TIME AND IN, IN SOME CASES AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF POSTAGE AND MAILING AND COMMUNITY MEETING TIME, ET CETERA. 
          SO THE SUGGESTION, WHICH HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT A FEW TIMES HERE AT THIS COMMITTEE, WOULD BE TO MAKE IT A COUNCIL PREROGATIVE IF WE WANNA LAUNCH THAT EFFORT, RATHER THAN HAVING BOTH THE COUNCIL AND THE CPC INDEPENDENTLY GIVING STAFF THAT SORT OF DIRECTION. 
          AND SO NO CHANGE TO THE COUNCIL. 
          UM, APPROVAL RIGHTS AT ALL ARE BEING PROPOSED. 
          AND THE COMMITTEE'S GIVEN A NUMBER OF OTHER PROCESS SUGGESTIONS, ALL OF WHICH HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED. 
          IF YOU GO NOW TO, IF YOU GOOGLE DALLAS AUTHORIZED HEARINGS, THERE'S A FULL WEBSITE. 
          EVERY SINGLE AUTHORIZED HEARING HAS ITS OWN WEBPAGE WHERE WE POST ALL OF THE MEETINGS, HOW PEOPLE CAN STAY INFORMED, WHAT'S GOING ON, WHEN'S THE NEXT THING COMING UP. 
          SO WE'VE REALLY WORKED INCREASE THE TRANSPARENCY. 
          WE ALSO USED TO HAVE A FAIRLY SIZABLE BACKLOG OF AUTHORIZED HEARINGS. 
          THERE IS NO BACKLOG AT THIS POINT. 
          EVERY AUTHORIZED HEARING IS IN PROCESS IN SOME WAY OR ANOTHER, SOME BEING DEED OR COMBINED OR MOVED FORWARD IN A DIFFERENT WAY. 
          SO IT IS A COMPLICATED TOPIC, BUT WE'VE BEEN HERE A FEW TIMES ABOUT THIS. 
          NOTHING'S CHANGING TODAY. 
          AS ANDREA SAID, EVERY BIT OF THIS WILL REQUIRE DRAFTING LITTLE TWEAKS IN RULES OR CODES, AND ALL OF THOSE WILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION BEFORE THEY 
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WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED. 
          SO THIS IS JUST STEPPING THE PROCESS ALONG. 
          NO CHANGES ARE TAKING PLACE TODAY AT ALL. 
          AND TO THE COMMITTEE POINT, NO COMMITTEE ACTION NECESSARILY IS REQUIRED. 
          BUT BEFORE TAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CPC TO REDUCE SOME OF THEIR AUTHORITY, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IS STILL WHAT THIS COMMITTEE WANTS US TO DO. 
          UM, SO THAT WAS THE, THE REQUEST. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, UH, I, I'M WILLING TO, UH, NOT TAKE ANY ACTION TODAY AND GIVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO ANDREA TO GO BACK TO THE COMMITTEE AND JUST WALK US THROUGH, BECAUSE I MEAN, I KNOW I STILL HAVE QUESTIONS, UH, ON EXACTLY WHAT DOES IT, HOW DO WE INITIATE IT? DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE PROVIDE A MAP? DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE PROVIDE, THESE ARE THE, THE, THE CHANGES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IMPLEMENTED. 
          UH, BUT I DON'T NEED NECESSARILY NEED THOSE QUESTIONS ADDRESSED TODAY. 
          I JUST NEED THAT GUIDANCE. 
          UM, 'CAUSE I AM GONNA HAVE A, UH, UH, AUTHORIZED HEARING COMING THROUGH HERE SOON. 
          UH, BUT WITH THAT, I'LL GO BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBER ROTH. 
          UM, LISTEN, MY, MY PASSION IS BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS ALL THE PROCESS, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT RELINQUISHING OUR ABILITY TO, TO HAVE CPC THAT HAS A UNIQUE ABILITY TO IDENTIFY. 
          THEY'RE INVOLVED IN THESE CASES. 
          WE ARE NOT IDENTIFY, THEY ARE INVOLVED IN KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON IN AREAS OF TOWN SO THAT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO INITIATE SOME OF THESE THINGS. 
          THE SECOND THING IS MAYBE WE COULD TWEAK THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT COULD DO IT. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S NOT THROWING THEM OUT, BUT IT'S BASICALLY, LET'S LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE CRITICALLY. 
          THE OTHER THING IS THIS IS, THIS REALLY DEALS WITH LARGE ZONING CASES. 
          THIS IS BIG PROPERTIES. 
          VALLEY VIEW IS ONE OF THE, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M TALKING, I DON'T WANT A BIG PROJECT LIKE THAT, OR ANY BIG PROJECT TO BE SUNSETTED BECAUSE SOMEBODY DIDN'T DO IT. 
          AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN GET THAT PROCESS IN THE SITUATION. 
          I, IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S STILL A LOT, THIS IS A REAL IMPORTANT, UH, PROCESS FOR DEVELOPMENTAL STUFF. 
          AND IF IT'S BEING INITIATED BY STAFF WITH THE ENCOURAGEMENT BEING, BEING ADVISED OR INIT, NOT INITIATED SPECIFICALLY, BUT BEING ADVISED BY STAFF TO, TO HELP, UH, THE, THE CPC GET THINGS ON THE BOOKS OR TO HELP US GET IT ON THE BOOKS. 
          WE, I THINK WE GOTTA BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE START TWEAKING STUFF AND APPROVING CHANGES TO THIS STUFF. 
          SO, UH, LOOK, I WOULD REQUEST THAT, UH, YOU, THAT YOU ALLOW US TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS AS A BODY BEFORE WE START APPROVING YOU ALL TO START MAKING NEW ORDINANCES. 
          GIVE US A LITTLE BIT EDUCATION. 
          IS THERE A BIG RUSH TO DO THIS RIGHT NOW? I WOULD SAY, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. 
          UM, AS LONG AS WE HAVE THIS 18 OPEN AUTHORIZED HEARING THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH, NO, WE'RE NOT IN A RUSH. 
          HOWEVER, WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU AND CITY PLAN COMMISSION NOT TO AUTHORIZE NEW ONES TO ALLOW US TO GO THROUGH THE ONES WE HAVE AND FIR AND THEN TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS SO WE DO IT BETTER AND WE ARE NOT IN THE SAME SPOT. 
          SO, UH, TO, TO, TO CHAIR'S POINT, YES. 
          IF, YOU KNOW YOU HAVE SOME AUTHORIZED HEARINGS COMING, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S THE RUSH. 
          SO THE RUSH COMES FROM YOU, NOT FROM US. 
          WE HAVE 18 THAT WE ARE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING THEM IN FRONT OF YOU AND FINISH THOSE FIRST. 
          UM, HOWEVER, UM, EXPERIENCE SHOWED US THAT THE PROCESS NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. 
          WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN IT SAYS THE PENDING CASES, THE EIGHT PENDING CASES HAVE NOT YET KICKED OFF? SO, UM, WE HAVE THE FIRST, BASICALLY EVERY CASE THAT WE HAVE OUT OF THOSE 18, ALL OF THEM HAVE PLANNERS ASSIGNED PLANNERS. 
          THEY'RE DOING RESEARCH. 
          UM, THE PORTION AFTER THEY HAVE A PLANNER ASSIGNED, THE PLANNER NEEDS TO DO A LOT OF RESEARCH TO FIND OUT, UM, WHAT IS GOING ON, WHAT WAS THE WHY, WHAT COULD BE CHANGED. 
          AND THEN WE REACHED OUT TO COUNCIL OFFICE AND THEN WE STRATEGIZE FOR THE FIRST COMMUNITY MEETING. 
          BUT WE NEED TO DO OUR HOMEWORK FIRST. 
          THOSE EIGHT, UM, THERE ARE STILL PENDING, ARE THE ONES THAT ARE IN RESEARCH WITH STAFF. 
          YES, THERE IS ONE FOR PD 8 87, AND WE PLAN TO REACH OUT TO YOUR OFFICE. 
          HOWEVER, THE, WE WILL IN THE NEAR FUTURE, WE HAVE OUT OF THOSE EIGHT, I THINK THREE OR FOUR THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH IT TO FIND OUT TO, TO CONTINUE THE RESEARCH. 
          AND WE STILL HAVE YET TO REACH OUT TO YOUR OFFICE. 
          OKAY. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO BE REACHED OUT LIKE NOW REAL. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, I WANNA BE REACHED OUT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SOME MAJOR THINGS GOING ON THERE, AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE STARTING TO TALK ABOUT STUFF LIKE 
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THAT. 
          BUT, AND THIS IS STUFF THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND PROCEDURALLY AND WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHAT'S, WHAT THE IMPACT OF THIS STUFF IS ON MAJOR, MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS IN OUR CITY. 
          AND ALL OF US HAVE MAJOR CASES HERE THAT WE HAVE TO BE PAYING ATTENTION TO. 
          LOOK, THIS IS IMPORTANT STUFF FOLKS. 
          AND, AND, AND I I THINK IF THERE'S NO RUSH, IF THERE'S NO NEED TO, TO GO TO, THERE'S NO PRESSURE TO DO IT. 
          TO SAVE A FEW DOLLARS ON MAILING, I'M, THAT'S NOT A JUSTIFICATION FOR CHANGING A PROCEDURE ANYWAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR, FOR NOT PUSHING THIS FORWARD RIGHT NOW. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO, TO HAVE STAFF ENGAGE WITH US A LITTLE BIT MORE PERSONALLY, AND I REALLY WANNA KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE AND WHAT THE IMPACT OF THIS IS NOTED. 
          UM, ANDREA, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT NUMBER OF AUTHORIZED HEARINGS THAT WERE INITIATED THROUGH CPC AND COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH OR, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT WAS, THAT'S BEEN AN ISSUE WHERE CPC WILL THINK SOMETHING IS A PRIORITY OR THEY WILL INITIATE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT IN ALIGNMENT WITH THEIR COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          OUR CHAIR , FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW, WE WOULD SAY THAT FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW, ALL OF THEM ARE IN AGREEMENT. 
          LIKE ONCE WE HAVE THEM AUTHORIZED, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO START WORKING ON THEM AT SOME POINT OR ANOTHER. 
          THE PROBLEM BECOMES WHEN THEY LINGER TOO MUCH AND WE HAVE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS AND OBVIOUSLY WHEN THEY LINGER TOO MUCH, THE CONDITIONS ON THE GROUND CHANGE THE SCOPE IS NOT THE SAME. 
          SO YES, WE HAVE CASES HERE THAT MAY HAVE BEEN IN THE WORKS OR AUTHORIZED EIGHT, SIX YEARS AGO. 
          THERE WAS A THOUGHT THERE AT SOME POINT IN THE MEANTIME, PROBABLY THE CONDITIONS CHANGE. 
          THEY'RE NOT EVEN RELEVANT ANYMORE. 
          OR AS I SAID, NOT THE SAME COMMISSIONER, NOT THE SAME COUNCIL, COUNCIL AS A BODY. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO PREVENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T GET INTO THIS SITUATION AGAIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, ENA. 
          SO I'M ACTUALLY GOING THROUGH AN AUTHORIZED HEARING RIGHT NOW, , AND IT CHANGED FROM WHEN, UM, I WORKED WITH COUNCIL MEMBER NOR VICE I ON AN AUTHORIZED HEARING. 
          I THINK, UM, SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT I HAVE IS, I REMEMBER IN THE PAST THERE WERE APPOINTEES TO THE COM FROM THE COMMUNITY AND UM, I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME CHALLENGES IN MIND IS MAKING SURE THAT THE RIGHT COMMUNITY MEMBERS WERE NOTIFIED AND THAT MY OFFICE ALSO RECEIVED THE NOTIFICATION TO PUT IN MY NEWSLETTER, UM, SO THAT, UM, RESIDENTS COULD BE, UM, NOTIFIED. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO JUST, EVEN THOUGH I THINK MINE WAS INITIATED BY CPC, I WAS LEFT OFF OF EMAILS. 
          UM, AND SO I, I DIDN'T ALWAYS KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON. 
          SO I THINK MAKING SURE TO INCLUDE EVERYBODY IN THE EMAILS, UM, WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THE AUTHORIZATION WOULD DEFINITELY HELP. 
          UM, I WORK REALLY WELL WITH MY CPC PERSON. 
          LIKE WE, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, SO I, I SEE THAT ON OUR SIDE. 
          UM, I DON'T, I HAVEN'T HAD A PROBLEM PERSONALLY. 
          I THINK SHE AUTHORIZED OUR HEARING. 
          SHE WORKED REALLY CLOSELY WITH COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY. 
          WE'VE HAD NO ISSUES, UM, WITH THE PRE-AUTHORIZATION. 
          I DO, I REMEM I RECALL US GOING THROUGH THAT, UM, PROCESS. 
          SO I WOULD WANT TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE WHAT THIS WOULD FIX AND MAYBE WHAT THE PROBLEMS WERE. 
          UM, BECAUSE I THINK OURS WAS PRETTY EASY ONCE WE GOT IT GOING. 
          IT WAS, IT'S MOSTLY BEEN GETTING IT PAT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS GETTING THE PROCESS STARTED AND THEN WORKING THROUGH THOSE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, UM, THAT'S WHERE MAYBE WE'VE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, DIFFICULTY. 
          SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          COUNCILMEMBER KADINA. 
          I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT OUT OF THE ENTIRE LIST THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, ONLY ONE WAS AUTHORIZED BY COUNCIL, WHICH IS PD 5 95. 
          ALL THE OTHERS AND THE ONES THAT I'M, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, THEY'RE ALWAYS AUTHORIZED BY CITY PLAN COMMISSION. 
          NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. 
          HOWEVER, AS I SAID, JUST TO GIVE YOU A, A MAGNITUDE OF THE LOW BUDGETARY IMPLICATION, ALL OF THESE, WE ESTIMATED THAT THE COST WOULD BE JUST FOR MAIL OUT AROUND $150,000. 
          SO THAT IS FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW, THIS MONEY THAT NEEDS TO BE ALLOCATED TO US AND ONLY COUNCIL HAS A PURVIEW. 
          SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERY TIME WE HAVE AN AUTHORIZATION LIKE THIS, WE TELL YOU WHAT OUR ESTIMATED PROJECTED COSTS CAN BE FOR MAIL OUT BECAUSE WE THAT SOME, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH STAFF TO WORK ON THEM, AND THEN WE HAVE BUDGET TO MAKE SURE THAT WE NOTIFY ACCORDING TO THE STATE REQUIREMENTS. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, AND THAT COMES BACK TO MAKING SURE THAT THE 
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APPROPRIATE PEOPLE KNOW, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WERE A COUPLE OF TIMES WHEN WE'RE LIKE, OH, DO WE CANCEL? WHAT DO WE DO? BUT THE MAIL, MAIL OUT HAD ALREADY GONE AND SO THE RIGHT PEOPLE WEREN'T NOTIFIED OR WE DIDN'T RECEIVE THE FLYER IN TIME TO, YOU KNOW, TO KNOW. 
          SO, UM, I THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AS WE LOOK AT THIS PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S BAKED IN SOMEHOW AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE, UH, CHAIR. 
          RIDLEY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO VOTE ON THAT OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO WITHDRAW IT? UM, WELL, SINCE MY MOTION SIMPLY GIVES DIRECTION TO STAFF TO CONTINUE WORKING ON THIS ITEM AND COME BACK TO US AT A FUTURE MEETING FOR AN UPDATE, I WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED WITH IT RATHER THAN LET THIS ISSUE LANGUISH WITHOUT ANY DIRECTION TO STAFF. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, COUNCIL MEMBER BLAIR, I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH, UM, CHAIR RIDLEY BECAUSE WHAT, IT'S THE ONLY THING THE MOTION IS DOING, YOU GUYS IS TELLING, ASKING STAFF TO DO MORE WORK, EVEN IF THAT MEANS TO HAVE A ONE-ON-ONE WITH EACH AND EACH PERSON ON THIS COMMITTEE SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING ASKED OF THEM AND FOR THEM AND FOR EVEN IF WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL UPGRADES LIKE WITH CHAIR, WITH, WITH LIKE MS. KADINA HAD THAT, THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS WITH THEM SO THAT THEY CAN INCORPORATE IT INTO THIS BRING BACK TO US. 
          ONLY THING I MAY ADD WOULD BE INSTEAD OF A DATE, UNCERTAIN A DATE CERTAIN SO THAT INSTEAD OF IT LANGUISHING AND, AND LETTING THEM KNOW THEY HAVE TO COME BACK, LET 'EM COME BACK IN OCTOBER, IN A OCTOBER MEETING, THEY'LL NEED TO COME BACK TO US WITH UPDATES, UPGRADES, AND, AND ANY CHANGES TO THE PROCESS SO THAT WE CAN THEN LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO MOVE IT FORWARD TO COUNCIL AND FOR COUNCIL TO ADOPT IT. 
          IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU CHAIR? YES, I'M FINE WITH THAT. 
          UM, TO SET A DATE SPECIFIC, AS LONG AS ANDREA THINKS THAT'S ENOUGH TIME FOR STAFF TO WORK ON THIS NOVEMBER, ABSOLUTELY, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO THERE'S A, UH, A MOTION THAT'S BEEN SECONDED AND AMENDED AND SECONDED AND AGREED UPON, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CENA, ANY CLOSING THOUGHTS? NO, I THINK, I MEAN, I'M, I WOULD BE GLAD TO GET MORE INFORMATION AND UM, AND THEN THAT WAY WE CAN LOOK AT IT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER AND DISCUSS IT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, COUNCIL COUNCILMAN ROTH? UM, I WANT, I, I REALLY WANNA SLOW THIS DOWN, UH, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY PRESSING DEMAND. 
          I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO, TO BURDEN STAFF WITH WORKING ON SOMETHING IMMEDIATELY. 
          WE'VE, THEY GOT PLENTY OTHER STUFF TO DO THE NEXT SIX 60 DAYS OR 90 DAYS. 
          AND I THINK THAT IF THEY CAN STILL COME BACK TO US, THEY STILL, WE CAN STILL BE TALKING ABOUT IT. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO BE, UH, PUSHING THIS, UH, ON, ON SOMETHING THAT WE'VE GOT OTHER THINGS TO DEAL WITH. 
          AND, AND, AND I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA THAT WE'RE CREATING THE ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE'RE CREATING A NEW POLICY, FORCING A NEW POLICY WITHOUT EVEN UNDERSTANDING WHAT OUR PROBLEM REALLY IS COMPLETELY HERE. 
          AND, AND I, UH, IF, IF IT GETS HERE AND YOU PUT A A SPECIFIC DATE, THAT'S FINE IF THE GROUP DECIDES TO DO IT, BUT THEN WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL, AND CITY COUNCIL'S GONNA THEN HAVE TO REVIEW THIS. 
          AGAIN. 
          THIS IS A COMPLICATED DEAL HERE. 
          I I I DON'T THINK PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, IT'S NOT ABOUT HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO SEND OUT THE MAILING, IT'S ABOUT TAKING AWAY THE, THE AUTHORITY, THE RESPONSIBILITY OR, OR, OR ADJUSTING THE ABILITY TO MAKE DECISIONS ON BIG ZONING OPPORTUNITIES HERE AND, AND ON MAJOR SITUATIONS. 
          AND I, I THINK THAT, UH, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE RUSHED. 
          UH, I'M, I, I WOULD, UH, SUPPORT A, YOU KNOW, A GENERAL SAYING IF YOU GUYS WANT TO COME BACK AND TALK TO US, BUT TO PUT DEADLINES AND TO PRESSURIZE THIS THING FOR ALL OF US, I DON'T THINK IS NECESSARY. 
          AND, AND I WOULD VOTE AGAINST THAT UNFORTUNATELY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO, UH, THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          THOSE OPPOSED NAY. 
          UH, MOTION CARRIES. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
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OKAY. 
          UH, GO AHEAD, UH, CHAIR GRACIE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I KNOW I'M TRYING TO GET, I JUST, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, I WAS LOOKING AT THE HAMPTON, ILLINOIS AND THIS, I KNOW THIS IS SOMEWHAT ON, ON ONE PAGE. 
          IT SAYS IT'S, IT'S WHERE DO THEY SAY AUTHORIZED HEARING IN PROGRESS, BUT THEN ON ANOTHER ONE IT SAYS IT'S PENDING YET. 
          IT'S NOT PENDING. 
          YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE IN YOUR DISTRICT? YES. 
          WEST MORELAND. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH, I THINK WE ALREADY STA WE'RE WORKING WITH YOUR OFFICE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO IT'S SIX PENDING CASES ARE CURRENTLY, I WOULD SAY AN UPDATE SINCE LAST WEEK WHEN WE RELEASED THIS MEMO OR WE FINALED IT. 
          IS THAT IN THE MEANTIME WE ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR ALL OF THEM ARE NOW IN COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PHASE. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST NEED, SO WESTMORELAND, WE ARE RIGHT NOW EXCHANGING EMAILS WITH YOUR OFFICE FOR THE FIRST COMMUNITY MEETING. 
          PERFECT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE IF THERE'S ANYTHING I NEED TO DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, YES, YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, THE TIME IS 4 34 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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