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SUMMARIZED GOOD MORNING.UH, IT IS SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2026 AT 8:43 AM UH, WELCOME TO THE PERMANENT LICENSE APPEAL BOARD HEARING THIS MORNING.
THE, UH, PERMANENT LICENSE APPEAL BOARD IS AN INDEPENDENT QUASI-JUDICIAL BOARD.
SO WE HAVE NO EX PARTE COMMUNICATION.
ANY COMMUNICATION WITH US SHOULD COME THROUGH.
UH, UH, MS. SANCHEZ, UM, MEMBERS SERVE WITHOUT COMPENSATION UNLESS THE CODE DICTATES OTHERWISE.
WE FIND FACTS BASED ON THE PRE PREDOMINANT PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE, WHICH IS MORE LIKELY THAN NOT IN TOTAL, AND APPLY THOSE FACTS TO THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS OF THE APPLICABLE CODE.
THE FORMAL RULES OF EVIDENCE DO NOT APPLY HERE, BUT, UH, THE BOARD MAY CHOOSE TO GIVE DIFFERENT WEIGHTS TO DIFFERENT TYPES OF EVIDENCE.
EACH LAW THAT WE ADJUDICATE WAS WRITTEN BY THE COUNCIL TO DICTATE DIFFERENT STANDARDS AND PROCEDURES.
UH, WE APPLY CITY ORDINANCE FAITHFULLY AND INDEPENDENTLY DECIDING EACH CASE CASE STRICTLY ON THE EVIDENCE AND CRITERIA ESTABLISHED BY LAW.
UM, BOTH ARE REQUESTS FOR EXEMPTIONS, UH, FROM THE LOCATIONAL STANDARD.
THE FIRST IS A REQUEST OF STATEMENT FOUR, LOCATED AT 39 11 CEDAR SPRINGS ROAD FOR AN EXEMPTION FROM THE LOCATIONAL RESTRICTIONS FOR DANCE HALL, LATE HOURS PERMIT UNDER SECTIONS 14 DASH 2.3 AND 14 DASH 3.1 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE.
SECOND IS THE REQUEST OF RODEO WEST DALLAS, LOCATED AT 7 0 4 SOUTH WALTON WALKER BOULEVARD, SUITE ONE 40 FOR THE SAME EXEMPTION UNDER THE SAME SECTIONS.
UH, TWO POINTS WORTH HOLDING ONTO, UH, THAT I'LL, I'LL SUMMARIZE LATER ON, BUT UPFRONT.
UH, FIRST, THE, THE CHIEF'S DENIAL ITSELF IS NOT UNDER REVIEWED.
14 DASH THREE 1A SAYS NO LATE HOURS PERMIT MAY BE ISSUED WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET.
THERE WAS NOTHING TO GET RIGHT OR WRONG.
SECOND, CO ASIDE OF CERTAIN IS NOT A SIGN OF BURDEN OF PROOF.
IN THIS CASE, IT STATES FINDINGS.
THE BOARD MUST BE ABLE TO MAKE IN PRACTICE THE APPLICANT'S, THE PARTY WHO MUST SUPPLY THE EVIDENCE FOR THOSE FINDINGS, BECAUSE WITHOUT EVIDENCE, THE BOARD CANNOT FIND THEM.
AND THE DEFAULT ORDER E IS DENIAL.
UH, THAT'S THE REASON, UH, THE APPLICANT PRESENTS FIRST.
UH, THE BOARD MUST BE ABLE TO MAKE EACH OF THE FOUR FINDINGS ON THIS RECORD.
AND IF WE'RE ASKING FOR A, A, A TWO YEAR EXEMPTION, THERE ARE, UM, TWO EXTRA STANDARDS IF WE WILL GET TO IT.
FIRST, UH, LET'S DO A ROLL CALL IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH A QUORUM.
MS. AYLA, IF, IF YOU ARE HERE, PLEASE SAY, PRESENT.
MS. SMITH, IS THAT A YES, MS. SMITH? NO, THAT'S A NO.
MR. JEFFERSON NOT DR. JACKSON PRESENT.
PRESENT, MR. JEFF? MR. CRON PRESENT? MR. QUINT PRESENT.
MS. SHIN? MS. SHIN IS, HE'S ON MUTE.
MS. SHIN, YOUR AUDIO MAY NOT BE WORKING THAT, BUT WE DO.
UM, SO WE HAVE A QUORUM OF 1 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, UM, WITH MR. JEFFS, MR. JEFFERSON AND MS. SMITH ABSENT.
FOUR FIVE, ABSENT SEVEN SAXON IS ABSENT.
UM, ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, ISSUE, UM, MR. GONZALEZ, UH, THIS IS, UH, GOOD FOR HIM AND BAD FOR US, HAVE RESIGNED.
IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN HIS NEXT STEP, SHE SHOULD LOOK IN THE NEWSPAPER.
UM, WE WILL MISS HIM, BUT, UH, IT'S GOOD FOR HIM.
UH, PRESENT TODAY, UH, FROM THE CITY IS THE BOARD'S GENERAL COUNSEL.
PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AS THERESA CARLISLE.
ALSO, WE HAVE, UH, UH, THE, THE, UM, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DOES ROTATIONS EVERY
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TWO YEARS FOR US.SO AS SOON AS THEY TRAIN US, THEY GET TO TRY TO TRAIN US AGAIN, UH, MID.
SO, UH, WOULD YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AS, UH, AND WHEN WILL YOU OFFICIALLY BE OUR BOARD COUNSEL? CAITLYN, BE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND I'LL SEE MY ROLE.
WELCOME, UM, FROM THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE, DONNA BROWN.
UH, BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO CASES.
WE WILL, UH, WE WILL INTRODUCE THE REPRESENTATIVES AND WITNESSES, UH, WHEN WE CALL THE CASE.
UM, MS. SANCHEZ, DO WE HAVE PUBLIC TESTIMONY? NO.
PUBLIC SPEAKERS? UH, WE'LL NOW TAKE UP
[2.Approval of minutes of the July 9, 2026 Permit & License Appeal Board SpecialCalled Meeting]
THE APPROVAL OF OUR JULY 9TH, 2026 MINUTES.ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THOSE MINUTES? HEARING NONE.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE? MR. CILLA HAS MOVED.
WHO SECOND? MR. QUINT SOUNDED LIKE QUINT.
UH, ANY COMMENTS? UH, ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
FUTURE MOTIONS WILL BE BY ROLL CALL.
[3.APPEAL HEARING ONE: EXEMPTION FROM LOCATIONAL RESTRICTIONS FOR A DANCE HALLLATE HOURS PERMIT]
SO OUR FIRST HEARING IS STATION FOUR, REQUESTING EXEMPTION FROM THE LOCATIONAL RESTRICTIONS FOR A DANCE HALL, UH, LATE HOURS PERMIT.UH, WOULD THE APPLICANT PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF? UH, YES.
I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH STEPTOE JOHNSON, AND I REPRESENT, UH, STATION FOUR, UH, ANGEL, UH, BLUE ANGEL, INC.
UH, AND WITH US TODAY AS THE PRIMARY WITNESS IS MS. CHRISTINE STON.
CHRISTINE, CAN YOU, THAT'S GREAT.
UH, ALSO OBSERVING FOR, UH, STATION FOUR, OUR BEN EK.
UH, KATHY, JACK, WELCOME TO ALL OF YOU.
UM, THIS IS A, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY ABOUT THIS USE OF YOUR MORNING TO WATCH US, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE HERE.
UH, FROM THE CITY ASSISTANT TO THE ATTORNEY, DETECTIVE ELLO, PLEASE, UM, IF YOU INTEND TO GIVE TESTIMONY, UH, WOULD YOU BE SWORN IN THIS F OBJECT? SO PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND IF YOU WOULD APPEAR OR ON VIDEO, MAKE, MAKE WE RECEIVE.
DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE, THE TESTIMONY YOU WILL GIVE BEFORE THIS BOARD TODAY WILL BE THE TRUTH? YES.
UH, THE BOARD HAS RECEIVED EVIDENCE IN THE FORM OF A REQUEST, WHICH WE WOULD CALL APPLICANT'S REQUEST, UH, EVIDENCE FROM THE APPLICANT, WHICH WE WILL CALL APPLICANT'S EXHIBIT ONE AND EVIDENCE FROM THE CITY, WHICH WE'LL CALL, UH, CITY'S EXHIBIT ONE.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT, UH, IS THERE ANY LATE EVIDENCE THAT'S GOING TO BE SUBMITTED? UM, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF FROM THE APPLICANT'S SIDE, THAT'S ALL I, SO AT THIS POINT, MS. CARLISLE WILL READ THE APPLICABLE CODE.
TODAY YOU HAVE, BEFORE YOU REQUEST FOR AN EXEMPTION FROM THE LOCATIONAL RESTRICTIONS FOR A DANCE HALL LATE HOURS PERMIT, THE BOARD MAY GRANT A ONE YEAR EXEMPTION FROM THE LOCATIONAL RESTRICTIONS FOR A LATE HOURS PERMIT.
IF THE BOARD FINDS THE FOLLOWING, ONE, THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED DANCE HALL WILL NOT HAVE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT ON NEARBY PROPERTY OR BE CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY OR WELL OR WELFARE.
TWO, THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED DANCE HALL WILL NOT DOWNGRADE THE PROPERTY VALUE OR QUALITY OF LIFE IN ANY ADJACENT AREA OR ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT OF URBAN BLIGHT.
THREE, THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED DANCE HALL OPERATING UNDER A LATE HOURS PERMIT IN THE AREA WILL NOT BE CONTRARY PROGRAM OF NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION OR INTERVIEW WITH ANY EFFORTS OF URBAN RENEWAL OR RESTORATION.
AND FOUR, ALL OTHER APPLICABLE PROVISIONS OF THIS CHAPTER WILL BE OBSERVED.
IN ADDITION, THE BOARD MAY GRANT AN EXEMPTION FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD IF THE BOARD FINDS THAT THE DANCE HALL HAS BEEN GRANTED AN EXEMPTION FROM
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LOCATIONAL RESTRICTIONS OF SECTION 14 DASH 3.1 FOR THE THREE CONSECUTIVE YEARS PROCEEDING.THE CURRENT EXEMPTION REQUEST TO THE APPLICANT HAS HAD, HAS NOT HAD ANY DANCEHALL LICENSE SUSPENDED, REVOKED, OR DENIED WITHIN THE 24 MONTHS PROCEEDING AT THE EXEMPTION REQUEST.
AND THREE, NO VIOLATIONS OF THIS CHAPTER HAVE BEEN COMMITTED BY THE APPLICANT OR BY ANY EMPLOYEE OF A DANCEHALL OF THE APPLICANT WITHIN THE 24 MONTHS PROCEEDING THE EXEMPTION REQUEST.
AND THIS APPLICANT STATION FOUR HAS HAD, UM, AN EXEMPTION FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE YEARS.
SO THEY, UM, ARE APPLICABLE, THEY, THEY CAN GET THE TWO YEAR WAIVER.
SO IF THIS BOARD FINDS IN THE CONTRARY TO ANY ONE OF THE PREVIOUS STATEMENTS, THEN THIS BOARD MAY DENY THE EXEMPTION FROM THE LOCATION RESTRICTIONS FOR A DANCEHALL LATE HOURS PERMIT PERMIT.
UH, HOUSEKEEPING, UH, TO THE, UH, CITY SECRETARY NOTICE, UH, TO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS AND NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS WAS SENT? YES, SIR.
UH, AND WE RECEIVED NO LETTERS FROM ANYONE? NO.
UM, I, I, I THINK I HAVE ONE OTHER, UH, I BELIEVE THAT IN YOUR REQUEST, THE ADDRESS WAS, UH, WAS, UH, STATED AS A, AS A DIFFERENT PROPERTY.
UH, I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT, THAT, UM, THAT THE, THE ADDRESS YOU INTENDED IS, UH, IS, UH, WHAT IS IT, 37 11 CEDAR SPRING, 39 11 CEDAR SPRINGS ROAD.
THAT MR. CHAIRMAN? THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT WAS A TYPO, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
I JUST WANTED ON THE, WE DID SEND NOTICES TO PEOPLE WITHIN THE THOUSAND FOOT RANGE OF, UH, 39 11 CEDAR SPRINGS ROAD.
DOES THE CITY HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT AMENDMENT? NO.
UM, I'D LIKE TO DO IT SUCH THAT EACH SIDE HAS A, UH, A BRIEF OPENING AND CLOSING.
UM, AND THEN, UH, SEPARATE FROM THAT, UM, IF YOU REALLY, I, I THINK 10, BUT IF, IF YOU, IF YOU GUYS, IF LIKE 15 MINUTES, TELL ME THAT 15 MINUTES WILL INCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION AND ANY CROSS-EXAMINATION.
IT WILL NOT INCLUDE, UH, TIME, UH, ANSWERING THE BOARD'S QUESTIONS.
IS 10 MINUTES ACCEPTABLE OR WOULD YOU LIKE 15? UH, MR. CHAIRMAN? I THINK WE WOULD NEED 15.
I, I HATE TO LIMIT MYSELF TO 10 MINUTES.
SO YOUR SIDE WILL HAVE 15 MINUTES.
UH, MEMBERS WILL HAVE TWO ROUNDS OF QUESTIONS.
UM, THE CLOCK WILL NOT STOP FOR ANSWERS.
UM, THE APPLICANT GOES FIRST, WOULD YOU, UH, LIKE TO GIVE YOUR OATH? UH, YES, SIR.
UH, AS, AS YOU NOTED EARLIER, WE SUBMITTED A PACKET OF THE EXHIBITS THAT, UH, HAVE BEEN MARKED AS, UH, APPLICANT'S EXHIBIT ONE.
UH, WE'RE HERE TODAY AND WE BELIEVE WE CAN SHOW FAIRLY CLEARLY THAT THE LOCATION OF THIS PROPOSED DANCE HALL WILL NOT HAVE ANY DETRIMENTAL EFFECT, UH, ON THE NEARBY PROPERTY OR BE CONTRARY TO PUBLIC SAFETY OR WELFARE.
IN FACT, WE THINK THAT THIS LOCATION ENHANCES THOSE THINGS.
UH, ALSO, THE LOCATION OF THE DANCE HALL WILL NOT DOWNGRADE THE PROPERTY VALUE OR QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE ADJACENT AREA, OR ENCOURAGE THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF URBAN BLIGHT, UH, AND THAT THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED DANCES HALL, UH, WILL NOT BE CONTRARY TO ANY PROGRAM OF NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY DESIGNATED AS AN ENTERTAINMENT ZONE.
UH, AND THE, AS THIS, THE BOARD PROBABLY HAS EXPERIENCE WITH US, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, STATION FOUR, UH, HAS, UH, CONTINUALLY OBEYED THE APPLICABLE PROVISIONS OF THE CITY ORDINANCE, UH, IN THE PRECEDING 24 MONTHS AND GOING BACK ALL THE WAY TO WHEN THEY FIRST GOT A APPLICATION GRANTED IN OVER 40 YEARS AGO.
UH, WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER, UH, REALLY BRIEFLY, UH, TO MISS STON TO READ HER INTRODUCTORY LETTER, WHICH, UH, IS, UH, TAB ONE TO OUR EXHIBIT ONE.
GOOD MORNING, DISTINGUISHED PANEL, BLUE ANGEL, INC.
DOING BUSINESS AS STATION FOUR
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IS ONE OF FOUR CLUBS OWNED AND OPERATED BY CABIN ENTERPRISES.THIS INCLUDES BAR STAFF, DJ STAFF, AND ENTERTAINERS.
33 OF THE 55 HAVE BEEN WITH THE COMPANY FOR FIVE PLUS YEARS OR MORE.
THERE ARE SIX MANAGERS WITH OVER 40 YEARS MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE.
SINCE OUR LAST HEARING, WE HAVE REF, WE, WE ARE ROUGHLY $200,000 INTO IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS RELATED TO STATION FOUR, MAINTAINING THE SECURITY AND SAFETY OF OUR GUESTS, STAFF AND NEIGHBORS ARE KEY GOALS TO STATION FOUR, STATION FOUR, ALONG WITH JR SUE ELLENS AND TMC IS MONITORED BY A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL SECURITY COMPANY AND IS APPROVED BY THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THE SECURITY COMPANY PROVIDES ONSITE DEDICATED GUARDS AND PROVIDES ONSITE SUPERVISORS WITH ROAMING SECURITY VEHICLES DURING BUSY HOURS.
THERE IS SECURITY IN THE CLUBS AS WELL AS OUTSIDE THE CLUBS IN VEHICLES TO DETER DETER CRIME.
TOTAL SECURITY COST IN 2025 WAS $105,000.
IN ADDITION TO THE PROFESSIONAL SECURITY STAFF, THE CLUB IS MONITORED BY SECURITY CAMERAS BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE CLUB.
THE MANAGERS AND SECURITY GUARDS UTILIZE PORTABLE RADIOS TO ENSURE CONSTANT COMMUNICATION FOR THE PROTECTION OF BOTH GUESTS AND STAFF.
STATION FOUR IS OPEN SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
DOOR PERSONNEL AND FLOOR OBSERVERS ARE UTILIZED WHEN THE CLUB IS OPEN.
MANAGERS ARE STATIONED THROUGHOUT THE CLUB TO HELP DEAL WITH ANY ISSUES THAT MAY ARISE.
OUR EMPLOYEES LONG-TERM COMMITMENT TO THE COMPANY IS THE KEY TO STATION FOUR'S SUCCESS.
THEY UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF FOLLOWING ALL STATE CITY AND TABC RULES AND REGULATIONS.
THE STATE OF TEXAS OFFERS THE TABC CERTIFICATION, AND ALL CABIN EMPLOYEES ARE TABC CERTIFIED.
ALL EMPLOYEES HAVE THE OPTION TO PARTICIPATE IN HEALTH, DENTAL, VISION, LIFE INSURANCE, AND 401K STATION.
FOUR, ALONG WITH THE REST OF THE COMPANY, IS VERY INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY ON BOTH THE BUSINESS SIDE AND CHARITABLE LEVELS.
MIKE WYNN, CEO, PRESIDENT OF CABIN ENTERPRISES IS A MEMBER OF THE CEDAR SPRINGS MERCHANT ASSOCIATION AND PRIDE IN DALLAS.
OUR CHARITABLE INVOLVEMENT IS EXTENSIVE.
STATION FOUR IS INVOLVED WITH MANY NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS INCLUDING RESOURCE CENTER, DALLAS ANCE, PURPLE FOUNDATION, G-D-M-A-F.
DID WE START THE, STARTED TO BE OPEN? YES.
YEAH, I, I, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S ENOUGH OF OUR OPENING.
I SHOULDA HAVE, UH, I I DID NOT, UM, MISSED
UM, IT IS, UH, THAT'S MY FAULT.
IT, IT'S A, A APPROPRIATE, UH, TO, UH, ALLOW THE CITY AN OPENING.
I JUST GOT INTO THE MERITS AND FORGOT THE PROCESS.
UM, MAYBE BE AWARE THAT I LET YOU USE A FEW, BUT, UM, DO ME A FAVOR AND, AND, AND AGAIN, INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
UM, YOU'VE BEEN SWARM, UM, AND THANK YOU.
UM, MS. BANKSTON, YOU WERE SWORN IN PREVIOUSLY, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
AND, UH, RESTATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
COULD YOU RESTATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE? UH, YES.
IT'S CHRISTINE BANKSTON, 1100 PARKER COURT, CEDAR HILL, TEXAS 7 5 1 0 4.
AND MS. BANKSTON, WHAT IS YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH, UH, CABIN ENTERPRISES AND IN PARTICULAR, UH, BLUE ANGEL LANE, WHICH OPERATES AS STATION FOUR? UM, I WORKED FOR THE COMPANY FOR 36 AND A HALF YEARS.
I RETIRED IN 2022, BUT STILL WORK AS A CONSULTANT WITH THE, WITH THE COMPANY AT THIS TIME.
AND ARE YOU BASICALLY IN A COMMUNITY RELATIONS ROLE WITH THE COMPANY AT THIS POINT? THAT IS CORRECT.
UH, YOU, YOU GAVE A, A PRETTY DETAILED OPENING STATEMENT, SO I'M JUST GONNA KIND OF FOLLOW UP WITH SOME QUICK QUESTIONS HERE THAT, THAT REMAINS ON THE RECORD, SO THAT THAT WILL STAY WITH THE RECORD.
UH, MS. PISTON DOES, UH, STATION FOUR, UH, HAVE YOU HAD ANY SOUND COMPLAINTS FROM NEIGHBORS, UH, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE?
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NO, WE HAVE NOT.AND DO YOU TAKE SPECIFIC STEPS AT STATION FOUR TO LIMIT SOUND INTRUSION OR EXTRUSION FROM THE, THE BUILDING? UH, YES.
UH, ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS ARE SPACED INWARD, NOT OUTWARD.
UH, THAT INCLUDES AROUND THE DANCE FLOOR AND THE SPEAKERS THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING AND ON THE PATIO.
SPEAKERS ARE TURNED OFF AT MIDNIGHT ON THE PATIO, AND WE ALSO MONITOR THE SOUND WITH A, UH, SOUND DEVICE THAT LETS US KNOW FOR ALL FOUR CLUBS, UH, WHAT OUR SOUND LEVELS ARE AT, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE KEPT WITHIN ALL LEGAL LIMITS.
PLEASE LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT MR. JEFFERSON IS PRESENT AT 9:03 AM I'M SORRY, I'M INTERRUPT.
UH, MS. BANKSTON, UH, TAB THREE OF OUR, UH, PRESENTATION BOOK IS, CONTAINS SEVERAL PICTURES, UH, BEGINNING ON PAGE 15 OF OUR, AT THE BOTTOM LEFT RIGHT HAND CORNER.
ARE THOSE PHOTOS OF THE INTERIOR OF, UM, OR THE EXTERIOR OF STATION FOUR? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND I NOTICED THAT THE, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION IS, UH, CINDER BLOCK AND REBAR WAS STONE AS AN OUTLYING, UH, UH, OUTER BARRIER.
UH, WHY WAS THAT DONE? THAT IS DONE FOR, UH, THE SOUND ISSUES TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE KEEP OUR SOUND WITHIN THE LEGAL LIMITS.
AND THERE ARE ALSO PHOTOS OF PARKING LOTS, UH, BEGINNING AT PAGE, UH, 17, 18, AND 19.
UH, ARE THOSE LOTS, UH, AVAILABLE FOR USE FOR, UH, PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO OTHER BUSINESS? YES.
ARE THOSE LOTS, UH, PATROLLED BY SECURITY, CORRECT.
DURING THE TIME THAT STATION FOUR IS OPERATING? YES, SIR.
AND THAT INCLUDES THE LATE HOURS PORTION OF THE NIGHT? YES, SIR.
SO LET'S TURN NOW TO, UM, AND, AND WE INVITE THE COMMISSION TO, UM, REVIEW THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS.
LET'S TURN NOW TO, UH, TAB FOUR OF OUR BINDER.
ARE THESE PHOTOS OF THE INTERIOR OF STATION FOUR? YES, THEY ARE.
UH, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE SPEAKERS ON THE DANCE FLOOR ARE ALL TURNED INWARDS RATHER THAN FACING OUT TOWARDS THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
IS THERE A REASON FOR THAT? YES.
IT'S TO HELP MAINTAIN THE NOISE LEVEL WITHIN THE CLUB RATHER THAN OUTSIDE OF THE CLUB.
AND, UH, THE PHOTOS, UH, AT VARIOUS TIMES, UH, WHAT'S, WHAT IS YOUR OBSERVATION AS TO THE, UH, UH, CLEANLINESS OF THE CLUB AND THE, THE CONDITION THAT THE CLUB IS MAINTAINED? WE TAKE A LOT OF PRIDE IN OUR PROPERTIES AND, UH, STATION FOUR HAS BEEN AROUND FOR ALMOST 46 YEARS, AND SO WE MAKE SURE THAT THE CLUB IS KEPT CLEAN.
WE HAVE A CLEANING CREW THAT DOES THE, THE DAILY CLEANING AFTER THE BUSINESS THE NIGHT BEFORE.
AND THEN WE DO, UM, REGULAR MAINTENANCE AND ADDING NEW, EXCITING NEW THINGS TO THE CLUB, UH, TO STAY WITH THE THEME OF BEING A, UH, MAJOR DANCE CLUB.
UH, AND DO YOU ALSO TAKE MEASURES TO MEASURE THE, UH, SOUND, UH, AROUND THE CLUB, UH, SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT DISTURBING NEIGHBORS? YES.
UH, AND I INVITE THE BOARD TO TURN TO TAB FIVE OF OUR EVIDENCE.
AND BEGINNING ON PAGE 45, MS. BANKSTON, UH, ARE THOSE, UH, SOUNDCHECK LOGS THAT, UH, WE'VE RECENTLY PERFORMED? YES, SIR.
UH, AND, AND DO YOU CONTINUALLY, CONTINUALLY, UH, DO SOUNDCHECK LOGS WHEN THE CLUB IS OPEN? YES, SIR.
SO, SO THESE, THESE ARE JUST EXCERPTS OF SOME RECENT TIME PERIODS, UH, IN JUNE AND JULY, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
UH, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST PAGE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE, THE DECIBEL READING, UH, IS 61.5 IS THE HIGHEST I SEE ON THE FIRST PAGE, IS THAT RIGHT? YES, SIR.
WHICH IS, WHICH IS PRETTY CLIENT.
THE, THE SECOND PAGE, THOUGH, HAS SOME READINGS THAT WERE IN THE, UH, 70, UH, 78.95 AND 79.5.
WAS THERE ANYTHING GOING ON DURING THE TIME PERIOD THAT THOSE READINGS WERE TAKEN THAT WOULD HAVE INCREASED THE EXTERIOR NOISE, UH, SEPARATE, APART FROM STATION FOUR'S OPERATIONS? UH, YES.
THAT WAS THE, UH, WEEK OF, UH, UH, GATE PRIDE.
AND SO THERE WERE EVENTS A ACROSS THE ENTIRE STREET, THE,
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UH, WHOLE THE, FOR A WHOLE WEEK OF SPECIAL EVENTS.SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE, THE EFFECT.
UH, WELL, YOU, YOU TOUCHED BRIEFLY ON THE SECURITY.
UH, HOW MANY SECURITY GUARDS ARE ON STATION, UH, AT THE CLUBS, UH, DURING THE TIME OF, UH, OPERATION AND ALSO DURING LATE HOURS OPERATION? IT VARIES BY THE DAY OF THE WEEK WITH, UH, THE MOST OF, UH, GUARDS BEING ON THE WEEKENDS.
UH, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, UH, WE COULD HAVE UPWARDS TO BETWEEN, UH, SEVEN TO EIGHT, UH, DURING THE WEEK.
OF COURSE, THOSE NUMBERS GO DOWN BECAUSE NOT EVERY, EVERY CLUB IS OPEN.
UM, UH, SO IT'S ALL DONE BY THE AMOUNT FLOW OF TRAFFIC THAT WE GET THROUGHOUT THE WEEK.
AND IS THERE, UM, WHEN STATION FOUR IS OPEN, IS THERE ALWAYS A SECURITY GUARD STATIONED AT THE FRONT DOOR OF THE CLUB? THERE IS A, A GUARD AT THE FRONT DOOR WHEN WE HAVE MONEY, UH, ON MONDAY AND TUESDAY, THERE'S ONLY ONE PART OF THE CLUB THAT IS OPEN.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, ROAMING GUARDS THROUGHOUT THE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE BLOCK, AND AGAIN, BASED ON THE, UH, AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE WEEK.
UH, IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, CAN I, UH, ASK YOU TO TURN NOW TO, UH, AB SEVEN, UH, OF THE, UH, EXHIBIT BOOK OF, OF THE APPLICANT'S EXHIBIT ONE, AND I BELIEVE THAT BEGINS ON PAGE 88? YES.
AND, UH, WHO TOOK THIS APPEARS TO BE VARIOUS PHOTOS TAKEN IN THE AREA NEAR CABIN, AND WHO, WHO TOOK THESE PHOTOS? I DID.
AND WHEN DID YOU TAKE THEM? I TOOK THOSE NOT THIS PAST SATURDAY.
AND, UH, IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT THESE PHOTOS ALL REPRESENT, UH, RESIDENTIAL, UH, HOMES AND DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE, UH, WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF, UH, OF CABIN AS WELL AS, UH, DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD GENERALLY? THAT IS CORRECT.
UH, AND THE FIRST PHOTO IS FOR THE DAISY IN, AND, AND THAT'S IMMEDIATELY BEHIND KEVIN, ISN'T IT? YES.
SO, UH, BASED ON THOSE PHOTOS, CAN YOU, UH, AND, AND YOUR FAMILIAR NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, CAN, DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION AS TO WHETHER, UH, KEVIN'S, UH, OPERATION OF STAGE FOUR HAS ANY DETRIMENTAL, UH, EFFECT ON THE PROPERTY NEARBY OR THAT IT DOWNGRADES THE PROPERTY VALUES IN THE AREA? THE, THE BUSINESS AT STATION FOUR AND THE OTHER CABIN BARS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE, UH, UH, DETRIMENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT SATURDAY THAT I WAS THERE, I WAS LIKE THERE AT NINE 30 IN THE MORNING TAKING PHOTOS THROUGHOUT THE AREA, AND THERE WERE, THERE WERE PEOPLE EVERYWHERE.
THEY WERE OUT WALKING THEIR DOGS.
THEY WERE, THEY WERE JOGGING, THEY WERE GOING TO BREAKFAST, YOU KNOW, UH, STREETS WERE ALREADY CLEANED UP, UH, FROM ANY DEBRIS FROM THE NIGHT BEFORE AS BUSINESSES, NOT JUST STARS, BUT THE OTHERS ON THE STREET.
UM, VERY, VERY ACTIVE, UH, COMMUNITY AND A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING.
AND MS. STON, UH, TAB EIGHT OF THE EXHIBIT BOOK, UH, CONTAINS VARIOUS PHOTOGRAPHS.
DID YOU TAKE THOSE AS WELL? CORRECT.
AND THOSE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS OF COMMERCIAL AREAS AND, UH, SIDEWALKS WITHIN THE, UH, WALKING DISTANCE OF STATION FOUR? CORRECT.
IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT, UH, OF COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES, UH, AROUND STATION FOUR HAVE NOT BEEN IN ANY WAY, UH, IMPAIRED OR DOWNGRADED BECAUSE OF, UH, STATION FOUR'S OPERATIONS? THAT IS CORRECT.
MANY OF THE BUSINESSES HAVE BEEN ON CEDAR SPRINGS FOR 25, 30, 35 YEARS.
UM, AND WE'VE ALL BEEN THERE WORKING TOGETHER, AND NO ONE, YOU KNOW, HAS LEFT FOR ANY PARTICULAR REASON BECAUSE OF ANYTHING THAT WE DETERRED IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND MS. BANKSTON, UH, TAB NINE OF THE, UH, EXHIBIT BOOK REFLECTS, UM, UH, VARIOUS PETITIONS.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND THOSE ARE PETITIONS THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN SIGNED IN SUPPORT OF STATION FOUR'S APPLICATION FOR THIS LATE HOURS EXEMPTION, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND HOW MANY SIGNATURES, UH, ARE ON THOSE PETITIONS? THERE ARE 209.
UM, CAN YOU GIVE ME A BRIEF ONE MINUTE RUNDOWN ON HOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD RECEIVES CABIN OR STATION FOUR? UH, AS FAR AS, UH,
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ITS SECURITY RELATIONSHIP TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WE HAVE THE MOST SECURITY OF, OF ANY OF THE BUSINESSES ON THE BLOCK.AND SO WE, PEOPLE KNOW IF THEY HAVE A PROBLEM EVEN ACROSS THE STREET OR IN THE BACK LOTS OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, THEY CAN COME TO US AS KIND OF A SAFE HAVEN, UH, TO GET THEM HELP IF THEY, IF THEY SHOULD NEED IT.
MOST OF THE TIME IT'S VERY MINOR THINGS, BUT, UH, WE ARE AVAILABLE TO HELP ANYBODY WHO, UH, WHO NEEDS IT.
AND MS. BESON, HOW LONG HAS STATION FOUR HAD, UH, A LATE HOURS PERMIT? OVER 40 YEARS.
AND HAVE YOU, UH, CONTINUALLY RECEIVED THE, UH, TWO YEAR EXEMPTION FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS? YES, SIR.
UH, AND TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, WAS THERE ANY OTHER REASON FOR THE DENIAL OF THIS APPLICATION OR PERMIT OTHER THAN THE LOCATIONAL RESTRICTION CONTAINED IN SECTION 14.31 OF THE CODE? NO, SIR.
UH, I HAVE NO, UH, UH, FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. STON.
UH, UH, WOULD THE CITY LIKE TO CROSS EXAMINE, STOP THAT CLOCK.
DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? UM, IF THERE ARE MORE THAN ONE WITNESS, I, I'D ASK THE BOARD TO DEFER UNTIL THE, THE END IS, IS THERE A SECOND WITNESS? UH, NO.
THAT MS. STON, UH, I THINK COVERED THE GROUND FOR US.
SO WE'LL GO TO, UH, BOARD QUESTIONS.
UM, LET'S START WITH, UH, I'M SORRY, I'M LOSING MY PRESENT.
MS. THOMAS? MS. TORRES, NO QUESTIONS.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS JUST TO, UM, FOR THE RECORD.
UH, WHEN WERE THE PHOTOS TAKEN AGAIN FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PICTURES? THEY WERE TAKEN NOT THIS PAST SATURDAY, SATURDAY BEFORE.
AND THEN IN THE COMMERCIAL PHOTOS, WHEN WERE THOSE TAKEN? THAT WAS THE SAME DAY.
I, I WALKED, I WA I WAS UP HERE FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS AND JUST WALK THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEN IN REGARD TO THE SIGNATURES PETITION, WHO COLLECTS THOSE SIGNATURES OR HOW ARE THEY COLLECTED? THEY'RE COLLECTED BY OUR, UH, UH, STAFF MEMBERS, AND WE INCLUDE BOTH, UH, UH, ENGLISH AND, UH, HISPANIC SPEAKING PEOPLE IN CASE WE NEED IT.
UM, AND, UH, THAT IS OUR REGULAR PROCEDURE FOR THESE HEARINGS.
I APPRECIATE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, CHAIR.
IN TERMS OF THE SIGNATURES, WERE THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE, UH, PATRONS OF THE, UH, OF STATION FOUR? OR WERE THEY OUT ON THE STREETS, OR HOW WERE THEY GENERATED IN TERMS OF
WHERE WHERE WERE THEY SIGNATURES TOGETHER? WELL, WE, ALL THE BUSINESSES, WE WENT TO THE ACTUAL BUSINESSES AND GOT THE BUSINESS SIGNATURES.
UM, A LOT OF THE, UM, UH, SIGNATURES, UM, THE PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR US LIVE IN HIGH RISE APARTMENTS, SO THEY WERE ABLE TO GO IN AND GET SIGNATURES THERE.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAD, UH, TABLES SET UP FOR, UM, PATRONS, BUT MAKING IT VERY CLEAR THAT THEY HAD TO LIVE IN THE AREA.
THEY COULD NOT BE FROM ARLINGTON OR PLANO OR SOMETHING OF THAT.
THEY HAD TO LIVE IN THE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET AREA.
AND, UH, WHAT WAS YOU, YOU KNOW, WAS THERE ANY PROOF OF, UH, THAT, THAT THEY ACTUALLY LIVED THERE OR THAT YOU JUST RELY ON? UH, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A RESIDENT VERSUS NON-RESIDENT, BUT, UH, YOU JUST ACCEPTED IT ON FACE VALUE OR WAS THERE A VERIFICATION? YES, SIR.
UH, I SUPPOSE I, I ONLY HAVE A QUICK ONE.
I JUST, FOR THE RECORD, DOES, HAS ANY EMPLOYEE OF, UH, THE, UH, THE APPLICANT, AND THAT WOULD BE MORE THAN JUST THIS, UH, THIS PARTICULAR, UH, OPERATION, UH,
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UM, HAD A VIOLATION OF A CHAPTER 14, UH, OFFENSE? NO, SIR.OH, I, UH, MS. SHIN HAD INDICATED THAT, THAT SHE, SHE DIDN'T HAVE QUESTIONS.
UM, UM, ARE YOU AWARE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION PROJECT IN, IN YOUR AREA? I'M NOT QUITE SURE, SIR, WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
UH, ONE OF MY STANDARDS, UH, IS THAT, UH, THAT OPERATING, UH, CANNOT BE CONTRARY TO ANY PROGRAM OF NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION OR INTERFERE WITH ANY EFFORTS OF URBAN RENEWAL OR RESTORATION.
I MEAN, WE FOLLOW ALL THE RULES THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO AS FAR AS OUR, UH, HAVING THE TREES THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE, KEEPING OUR PROPERTIES UP, UH, TAKING CARE OF ALL OF OUR FOLIAGE AND EVERYTHING THAT'S, THAT'S WITH THE, UM, UH, PROPERTIES.
I'M JUST CHECKING MY BOXES HERE.
MS. THOMAS? MS. TORRES? NO QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, MR. MR. JEFFERSON? NO QUESTIONS.
DR. JACKSON? UM, I JUST HAVE, UM, TWO THAT, UH, I WANNA FOLLOW UP ON.
I KNOW THAT, UH, FROM THE PRESENTATION, IT SHOWS THAT SOMETIME IT'S OPEN FOR, UM, I GUESS FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SO DO YOU SEPARATE THE OPENING FROM THE, IF THE KIDS THERE FOR THE CHRISTMAS OR PROGRAMS OR WHATEVER, YOU SEPARATE THAT FROM THE BAR SECTION OF IT, DO YOU, UM, YOU KNOW, TO BLOCK THEM FROM GOING INTO WHERE, WHERE THE BAR IS? AND THEN ALSO, I, I THANK YOU FOR THE PICTURES.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO SEE HOW FAR A DISTANCE, I KNOW YOU SAID 1000 FEET.
SO IT'S THE, UH, APPEAL REALLY COMING BACK BECAUSE OF THE NEW, UM, PROVISIONING FOR THE PLANNING BECAUSE OF NO ALLOWANCE, UH, ALONG 1000 FEET OF RESIDENCE.
IS THAT THE REASON FOR DENYING CORRECT.
WE, WE WERE AUTOMATICALLY DENIED BECAUSE OF THE, OF, OF THE ORDINANCE.
AND YOUR QUESTION, AS FAR AS THE CHILDREN, THE CHILDREN ARE NOT ON PROPERTY.
WE GO TO THE SCHOOL, THE, UH, SECRET SANTA PROGRAM THAT WE DO, UH, IS DONE AT THE SCHOOL.
UM, AND, UH, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, EVENTS THAT HAVE THEM.
EVEN IF WE WERE, IT WAS A DAYTIME THING, THEY, THEY ARE NOT ON OUR PROPERTY.
EVERYTHING THAT WE DO, WE DO AT THE SCHOOL CHAIR.
UM, LET'S JUST TRYING TO QUICKLY FLIP THROUGH IT, BUT I COULDN'T FIND IT.
IN REGARD TO THE DANCE HALL SUPERVISOR, WHO IS THE ONE DESIGNATED FOR THE DANCEHALL SUPERVISOR, AND WHO'S THE PERSON? THEY ARE LISTED ON THE, UH, APPLICATION, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO QUICKLY GET TO, AND I HAD NOT SEEN IT.
WHO IS, DO YOU HAVE A, THE APP, THE MR. COMMISSIONER? THE, THE APPLICATION IS ATTACHED AS, UH, EXHIBIT, UH, 11.
DO YOU, CAN YOU JUST TELL ME THE PERSON OR ONE OF Y'ALL, OR, UH, ARE THERE SEVERAL PEOPLE OR HOW'S THAT WORK? WELL, THE, THE, THE, THE CEO OF THE COMPANY IS MR. WYNN.
UH, AND HE MAY BE THE BEST PERSON TO ANSWER THIS PARTICULAR QUESTION FOR YOU.
UH, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MR. WYNN, CAN YOU, UH, IDENTIFY WHO THE, UH, SUPERVISORS OF ARE FOR THE LATE HOURS PERMIT? IT, IT MOST LIKELY IS GOING TO BE EITHER MYSELF OR IT'S GOING TO BE JAMES SCHULTZ.
SO MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION WOULD BE IS IF IT'S JAMES, ARE YOU, ARE YOU THERE, UM, OR JAMES THERE THE WHOLE TIME DURING THE DANCING, THAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED WITH THE DANCEHALL SUPERVISOR? 14 DASH SEVEN? YES.
I'M ACTUALLY AT THE FACILITY EVERY WEEKEND FROM OPEN TO CLOSE, AND I ACTUALLY STAY HERE UNTIL THE LAST EMPLOYEE LEAVES, AND I ALSO STAY HERE UNTIL THE LAST CLEANING CREW LEAVES TO ENSURE THAT THE AREA IN THE, THE AREAS, ALL THE TRASH IN THE AREA IS PICKED UP ON OUR SIDE OF THE STREET.
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AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE STREET BEHIND US, UH, BECAUSE WE, OUR NEIGHBORS AND I COMMUNICATE, AND SOMETIMES ONCE IN A WHILE, YOU HAVE CUSTOMERS FROM OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD FACILITIES THAT PARK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND CREATE TRASH.SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD'S PICKED UP, NOT JUST OURS.
GO AHEAD AND, AND FINISH YOUR ANSWER IF NEED TO.
I THINK, I THINK SHE, SHE ANSWERED, UH, THANK YOU, MR. WYN.
IT SAYS RIGHT HERE, SECTION 14 SEVEN.
MS. SHIN, I'M GONNA, UH, ASSUME NO.
UM, SO THAT LEAVES ME, AND HERE AGAIN, I'M, UH, NO QUESTIONS.
UM, THE BEL READINGS DON'T SEEM TO BE BETWEEN TWO AND FOUR, UH, AM DID YOU DO ANY READINGS DURING THE, THE LATE NIGHT HOURS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? I CAN ONLY GO BY WHAT THEY HAVE PUT ON THE FORM.
THEY NORMALLY, UH, DO THE READINGS BETWEEN, UH, MIDNIGHT AND, UH, UP TO TWO O'CLOCK.
AND, UM, BECAUSE THAT IS THE BUSY, THAT IS THE BUSIEST TIME, UH, WHEN THE MOST ACTIVITY IS, UH, MR. CHAIR FOR CLARIFICATION, IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 45 OF OUR EXHIBIT, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, THERE'S, UH, SEVERAL READINGS THERE THAT WE'RE TAKING AT 1:00 AM TAKEN AT 1:00 AM UH, THROUGHOUT THAT LIST.
SO THOSE WOULD BE, UH, THEY'RE NOT AFTER TWO, BUT THEY ARE IN THE LATER HOURS OF THE NIGHT.
UM, WHAT DID YOU DO WITH YOUR SECURITY AFTER THE MARCH INCIDENT? WAS THAT MARCH? UM, WAS THAT THE MARCH BATHROOM INCIDENT? OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR ON THE, UH, THE, UM, CITY'S, UH, SUMMARY OF ACTIVITY? YES.
HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, POLICE ACTIVITY, UH, SUMMARY.
UH, I THINK YOU'VE GOT THAT WITH YOU.
IT'S ON PAGE, IT'S, UH, PAGE 64 OF THE CITY'S, UH, EXHIBITS CASE NUMBER OH 4 4 7 5 9.
UH, PAGE 64 AND 74 ON THE CITY'S EXHIBIT.
UH, LET'S SEE, SIR, WHICH ONE WERE YOU SPEAKING OF? IT'S THE, UH, UH, ASSAULT.
AND THE CRIMINAL TRESPASS, THAT'S ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
CHRIS, I'LL GIVE YOU A MOMENT TO, TO ANSWER, BUT MY TIME IS UP.
IF YOU, IF YOU CAN ANSWER QUICKLY, UH, OTHERWISE MY TIME IS UP.
VERY QUICKLY, UH, THE INCIDENT WAS, UH, INTERRUPTED BY CUSTOMERS WHO IMMEDIATELY GOT HOLD OF MANAGEMENT, MANAGEMENT, GOT A HOLD OF THE SECURITY, THE PERSON WAS ARRESTED, AND THEN RECEIVED A CRIMINAL TRESPASS TO BE, UH, NOT ALLOWED ON PROPERTY AGAIN.
AT THIS POINT, IT IS THE, UH, CITY'S, UH, PRESENTATION.
UM, WOULD YOU NAME AND TITLE IS YOUR, UH, YOUR MIC IS ON.
MINE IS, WE JUST TURNED IT OFF.
UM, DETECTIVE RE OF DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, VICE LICENSING UNIT.
BEEN WITH THE DEPARTMENT FOR 30 YEARS.
UM, UH, BEEN WORKING WITH FIVE LICENSEES FOR APPROXIMATELY, UH, FIVE.
AND CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT VICE DOES AS FAR AS LICENSING AND FILLINGS INVOLVED? VICE LICENSES WILL TAKE CARE OF, UM, ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF APPLICATIONS FROM DANCE HALL APPLICATIONS, UH, LATE HOURS SOBS, UH, AMUSEMENT CENTER LICENSE.
UM, WE TEND TO, UH, RECEIVE ALL THE APPLICATIONS.
WE WILL GO THROUGH THE APPLICATION VERIFY DOCUMENTS, AND OCCASIONALLY WE'LL GO OUT TO THE PROPERTIES AND VERIFY.
UH, WE THEN, UH, ONCE WE GO OVER THE APPLICATION, WE SEND THAT APPLICATION TO CITY ATTORNEY SO THEY COULD DO THE FINAL APPROVAL OF THE DANCE HALL FIRM.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH 39 11TH CEDAR SPRING STATION FOUR? YES, I AM.
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IS STATION FOUR? STATION FOUR HAS A DANCE HALL LICENSE LAID OUT.AND CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE LATE NIGHT HOURS PERMIT PROCESS? UM, LATE HOURS NIGHT PROCESS IS A, UM, NORMALLY A DANCE HALL WILL ALLOW BUSINESS TO STAY UP UNTIL 2:00 AM LATE HOURS, GIVES THEM THAT ADDITIONAL TWO HOURS FROM 2:00 AM OR A, UH, WE GET TO THAT TWO HOURS TO OPERATE HER.
AND IN THIS CASE, THE LATE HOURS PERMIT WAS DENIED.
UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN, EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE AUTOMATIC DENIAL FOR PROFIT, UM, IN THIS CASE? UH, THE, UH, DALLAS POLICE ARE CHIEF OF POLICE.
DOES IT HAVE TO? NO, UH, UH, SAYS IT'S AUTOMATIC DENIAL, UH, BEING THAT THEY'RE WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF RESIDENTIAL AREA.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY SENSE ON, UH, OR, UH, LEVERAGE.
AND WITH YOUR TIME WITH VICE, UM, HAVE YOU DEALT WITH STATION FOUR IN THEIR AUTOMATIC DIAL ATTACKS? YES.
WE'VE DEALT WITH, UH, SEARCH FOR QUITE A BIT IN THE PAST, UM, WITH ACTUALLY, UM, BEEN HERE TO APPLY HERE BEFORE THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN THE, UH, TWO YEARS EXEMPTION.
CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH A LITTLE BIT AFTER THAT DENIAL HAPPENS, WHAT YOUR INVESTIGATION PROCESS IS LIKE, DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT OUR INVESTIGATION IS A PROCESS? ONCE WE GET THAT, NOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO, UH, CREATE A PACKET.
UH, BELIEVE THAT EXHIBIT, UH, THAT PACKET WILL GIVE US A, A BREAKDOWN OF HOW MANY CALLS WITHIN THAT YEAR THAT HAD HOW MANY 9 1 1 CALLS, HOW MANY ACTUAL OFFICES.
NOW WE HAVE BREAK IT DOWN INTO HOW MANY OFFICES THE COUNTY CALLED DURING THE 2:00 AM 4:00 AM PERIOD, THOSE TWO HOURS TO, SO WE COULD SEE, UM, IF THEY'VE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF PROBLEM.
AND WHAT WERE YOUR FINDINGS? UM, OUR FINDINGS WERE THAT THEY ARE COMPLIANT, THEY'RE WORKING WITH DALLAS POLICE, AND THEIR CRIME RATE IS PRETTY BETTER.
DID YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO GO OUT TO THE PROPERTY? UH, NO.
I DIDN'T GO OUT TO THE PROPERTY POLICE, BUT IN THE PAST HAVE, IN THE PAST WE HAVE, WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE SOME INSPECTIONS AS WELL.
UM, THE BALL ALWAYS COOPERATED WITH POLICE.
UM, AGAIN, THEY'VE BEEN EVERYTHING, UH, IN THE PAST THEY'VE BEEN GRANTED A TWO YEAR, UH, LATE HOURS PERMIT.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A PROCESS THAT EVERY TWO YEARS THEY HAVE TO RENEW THIS SAME MONTH.
SO ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY RECENT COMPLAINTS, UH, REGARDING THE ESTABLISHMENT AND WHAT COMPLAIN CALLED, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS? NO, WE HAVE NOT.
SO, ON BEHALF THE, THAT PERMIT, DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THE ESTABLISHMENT IN MR? NO, WE DID NOT.
UH, DOES, DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE A CROSS? UH, JUST A COUPLE.
UM, DETECTIVE RELL, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS MATTER AND FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR THE CITY.
UH, I I NOTICED THAT, UH, ONE OF THE ASSAULTS THAT WERE LISTED IN YOUR, UH, POLICE REPORT BREAKDOWN, WHICH IS, UH, UH, MATTER, UH, OH NINE EIGHT, UH, OH TWO SEVEN, UH, 2026.
DO YOU HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF YOU? THAT IS THAT THE, THE ASSAULT WE JUST SPOKE ABOUT A MINUTE AGO? UH, NO.
THIS IS THE, THIS IS, UH, ANOTHER ONE.
IT, IT, THE DESCRIPTION OF IT SAYS A VERBAL ALTER.
AFTER A VERBAL ALTERCATION BETWEEN COMPLAINANT AND SUSPECT OVER A PARKING SPACE, COMPLAINANT WALKED ACROSS THE STREET AND STOOD ON THE SIDEWALK, AND THE SUSPECT THEN RAN ACROSS THE STREET AND ELBOWED COMPLAINING ON THE HEAD KNOCKING.
COMPLAINED TO GROUND? YES, SIR.
UH, SO THAT, THAT INCIDENT ACTUALLY STARTED ACROSS THE STREET FROM STATION FOUR, AND THE, UH, VICTIM CAME ACROSS THE STREET TO TRY AND, AND GET TO SAFETY.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, SIR.
THAT'S WHY I TRY TO IDENTIFY THAT ON THE SHORT NARRATIVE SHOWING THAT THE INDIVIDUAL ACTUALLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET AND ACTUALLY ASSAULTED A CUSTOMER.
UH, IS, IS THE NUMBER OF, UH, UH, INCIDENTS THAT YOU HAVE REPORTED FOR STATION FOUR FOR THIS PERIOD, 8 21, 25 TO 8 21 26.
IS THAT UNUSUAL FOR, OR IS IT LIGHT HEAVY? HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE THAT? THE, THE NUMBER OF, UH, THAT WE HAVE HERE ON EIGHT, SO THAT'S VERY LOW FOR A YEAR, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING A WHOLE YEAR AND THEY'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE CLUB BEING OPEN EVERY WEEKEND.
I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, SIR.
UH, DO YOU HAVE A, A, A SECOND WITNESS? YOU'D LIKE TO, NO.
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MS. ALA, NO QUESTIONS.MS. THOMAS, MS. TORRES, NO QUESTIONS.
VICE CHAIR ILLA? NO QUESTIONS.
MS. SHIN? UH, I HAVE ONLY TWO, UH, I, I THINK, I THINK YOUR TESTIMONY SAID THAT, THAT YOU ARE IN SUPPORT, UH, OF, UH, UH, WHERE THE BOARD TO GRANT THIS REQUEST FOR AN EXEMPTION.
AND DOES THAT GO FOR A TWO YEAR EXEMPTION TOO? CORRECT, SIR.
UM, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY CHAPTER 14 VIOLATIONS FILED? NOT AT ALL, SIR.
DOES ANYONE, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH IT AGAIN UNLESS SOMEBODY RAISES THEIR HAND.
UH, THIS, UH, WE'LL START WITH THE A, UH, VERY BRIEFLY.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK I HAVE MUCH TIME LEFT HERE.
OH, YOU'VE GOT A, A NEW, I'VE GOT A NEW CLOCK.
UH, UH, BUT I WON'T TAKE THAT TIME.
FIRST OF ALL, UH, I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT KEVIN, UH, AND STATION FOUR DO A GREAT JOB OF RUNNING THE CLUB, KEEPING IT CLEAN, UH, KEEPING IT SECURE, UH, AND KEEPING THE SOUND LEVELS DOWN TO A REASONABLE LEVEL.
UH, THE, UM, THE REVENUES THAT WE GENERATE FROM THE LATE HOUR PERMITS, AND THIS IS IN, UH, MS. TON'S INTRODUCTORY LETTER, WHICH IS, UH, TAB ONE TO OUR EXHIBIT ONE, UH, ESTABLISHES THAT THE, THE LATE HOURS MONEY IS USED TO SUPPORT VARIOUS CHARITIES, INCLUDING THE, UH, SECRET SANTA, UH, PROGRAM THAT, UH, WAS NOTED.
AND THIS IS A COMPANY THAT CONTINUES TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, IT DOESN'T IMPAIR, UM, DEVELOPMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THRIVING AND HAS THRIVED THROUGHOUT THE TIME PERIOD THAT STATION FOUR HAS BEEN IN OPERATIONS AND HAD THE LATE HOUR PERMIT.
UH, IT DOESN'T CAUSE ANY BLIGHT.
UH, AND IT IS, UH, NOT CONTRARY TO ANY NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION PROGRAM.
IN FACT, THEY, THEY KEEP THE, UH, LANDSCAPING, ICE, AND MEAT.
UH, AND CERTAINLY THERE'S NO INTERFERENCE WITH ANY URBAN RENEWAL OR RESTORATION BECAUSE THAT AREA, AS THE FIXERS INDICATE IS, IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW AS, AS, AS MUCH OF, UH, THAT, UH, AREA.
UH, SO IT, IT APPEARS TO BE THAT THIS IS A CLEAR CASE WHERE A, UH, EXEMPTION SHOULD BE GRANTED.
UH, AND, AND WE ASK THAT IT BE GRANTED.
AND IN ADDITION, WE ARE ASKING FOR A TWO YEAR EXTENSION, UH, BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE MEET THE CRITERIA FOR THE TWO YEAR EXTENSION.
WE HAD NO VIOLATIONS OF CHAPTER 14.
UH, WE HAVE HAD, UH, A LATE HOURS PERMIT FOR, UH, GOING ON 40 YEARS, UM, THAT I, THAT I KNOW OF.
UH, AND FOR MOST OF THAT TIME, IT'S BEEN OPERATING UNDER A TWO YEAR EXEMPTION.
UH, SO WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT WE BE, UH, GIVEN THE EXEMPTION AND THAT THAT BE A TWO YEAR EXEMPTION, UH, UNDER THE, UH, ORDINANCE.
AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
UH, DOES THE CITY HAVE A CLOSE? NO, THE CITY WAIVES CLOSE.
UM, AT THIS POINT, I SEEK A MOTION, MOTION TO GRANT MR. ILLA MOTION TO GRANT THE EXEMPTION FROM THE LOCATION RESTRICTIONS FOR DANCEHALL LATE HOURS PERMIT.
IN ADDITION, GRANT A TWO YEAR EXEMPTION, I CAN READ THE ENTIRE WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU JUST GO THROUGH THE, FOR, FOR THE RECORD? 'CAUSE I KNOW, THANK YOU.
EVERYBODY LIKES TO HEAR THE LONG NOW.
I'D APPRECIATE HAVING I MOVED IT.
THE PERMIT AND LICENSE APPEAL BOARD AND THE REQUEST FOR AN EXEMPTION FROM THE LOCATIONAL RESTRICTIONS FOR DAN SALT LATE HOURS PERMIT FOR STATION FOUR, LOCATED AT 39 11 CEDAR SPRINGS ROAD, DALLAS, TEXAS GRANT, A TWO YEAR EXEMPTION FROM THE LOCATIONAL RESTRICTIONS IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER 14 AND SECTION TWO DASH 96 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE.
BECAUSE THE EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY SHOW, ONE, THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED DANCE HALL WILL NOT HAVE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT ON NEARBY PROPERTY OR BE CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY OR WELFARE.
TWO, THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED DANCE HALL WILL NOT DOWNGRADE THE PROPERTY VALUE OR QUALITY OF LIFE IN ANY ADJACENT AREA, OR ENCOURAGE
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THE DEVELOPMENT OF URBAN BLIGHT.THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED DANCE HALL OPERATING UNDER A LATE HOURS PERMIT IN THE AREA WILL NOT BE CONTRARY TO ANY PROGRAM OF NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION OR INTERFERE WITH, INTERFERE WITH ANY EFFORTS OF URBAN RENEWAL OR RESTORATION.
AND FOR ALL OTHER APPLICABLE PROVISIONS OF CHAPTER 14 WILL BE OBSERVED.
IN ADDITION, SINCE WE ARE ASKING FOR, OR I'M ASKING, UH, FOR A TWO YEAR EXEMPTION, THE DANCE HALL HAS BEEN GRANTED AN EXEMPTION FROM THE LOCATIONAL RESTRICTIONS OF SECTION 14 DASH 3.1 FOR THE THREE CONSECUTIVE YEARS PRECEDING THE CURRENT EXEMPTION REQUEST.
THE APPLICANT HAS NOT HAD ANY DANCEHALL LICENSE SUSPENDED, REVOKED, OR DENIED WITHIN THE 24 MONTHS PROCEEDING THE EXEMPTION REQUEST.
AND THREE, NO VIOLATIONS OF CHAPTER 14 HAVE BEEN COMMITTED BY THE APPLICANT OR BY ANY EMPLOYEE OF A DANCE HALL OF THE APPLICANT WITHIN THE 24 MONTHS PROCEEDING THE EXEMPTION REQUESTS.
IS THERE A SECOND? I, I SECOND THE MOTION.
THAT'S A, UH, WE JUST GOT GARBLE IS, IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND.
I SECOND, I THINK, UH, THE, THE, UM, THE JUDGE HERE SAYS IT'S MR. CRON.
SO, UH, MR. CRON A SECOND, UH, DISCUSS, UH, MR. ILLA IS YOUR MOTION.
I THINK IT WAS SELF-EVIDENT IN WHAT WE'VE HEARD AND WHAT, WHAT I'VE HEARD IN THE PAST IN REGARD TO THIS PARTICULAR DANCE HALL.
UM, AND IF LOVE TO HEAR ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THANK YOU, MR. CRON.
UM, MS. AYALA? NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
MS. A, MS. THOMAS, MS. TORRES, MR. JEFFERSON, DR. JACKSON? NO, NO COMMENTS.
MR. UH, MR. JEFFERSON, NO COMMENTS.
OH, I, I DIDN'T MEAN TO MOVE PAST YOU.
I JUST WANT TO, UM, COMMEND, UH, THE APPELLANT AND LET HER KNOW THAT, UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE THEM FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES AND RESPECT FOR OTHER COMMUNITY AS WELL, AND WORKING ALSO WITH, UH, THE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS.
ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT SINCE YOU'VE BEEN IN, UH, WORKING IN BUSINESS FOR YEARS AND YEARS, AND IT'S ALMOST BECAUSE OF THE NEW AUDIENCE WITH 1000 FEET, THAT YOU'RE ALSO A GRANDFATHER, BUT YOU HAVE TO CONTINUE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING A, A MODERN, UH, BUSINESS OWNERS AS WELL.
UM, MR. CCI HAS ALREADY SPOKEN.
UM, MR. CRON, IS THAT MR. QUENT? UH, NO COMMENTS.
ONE, THANK YOU FOR BEING STEWARDS.
UH, I KNOW THERE ISN'T, I KNOW IT'S A FULL-TIME JOB.
I, I SAT ON OTHER BOARDS AND I ALWAYS APPRECIATE, UH, WHEN THE CITY COMES AND, AND SAYS, THESE GOT BACKERS AND DOESN'T FEEL THE NEED TO FIGHT EVERY SINGLE ONE.
IT, UH, FRANKLY, GIVES YOU CREDIBILITY WHEN YOU DO FIGHT.
BUT, UH, I, I APPRECIATE THAT.
SO, UH, YOU MEET ALL OF THE CHECKS AND IT'S ALL ON THE RECORD, SO I'LL VOTE FOR IT.
UH, WE HAVE A SECOND RUN THROUGH MR. ILLA.
UM, I'M LOOKING FOR ANYBODY TO INDICATE WHETHER THEY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK SINCE ONLY, ONLY DR. JACKSON AND MR. CILLA AND I SPOKE, I BELIEVE.
UM, THE VOTE OR THE MOTION IS TO MOTION GRANT THE TWO YEAR EXEMPTION, SO A YES VOTE.
GRANTS THE TWO YEAR, UH, NO VOTE.
AND PLEASE NOTE, UH, THAT, THAT IN NO PART OF THIS, DO WE OVERTURN THE POLICE ISSUE.
UM, SO PLEASE SAY I NAY, MS. AYALA.
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AYE.MS. SHIN, IF YOU, UH, I GUESS I, I NEED TO HEAR YOU.
DOES ANYONE HAVE MS. SHIN? UM, IF MS. SHIN COMES BACK, SHE WILL VOTE.
SO CURRENTLY, LET ME GET THIS RIGHT.
SO CURRENTLY THAT IS AN 8 0 1 THAT IS AN 8 4 9 AGAINST AND DOES COUNT, WHICH SHE CAN'T ABSTAIN.
HOW DO I ACCOUNT FOR MS. SHIN? DOES THAT ACTUALLY MATCH OUR RIGHT? BUT PROVISIONALLY WAS, SHE'S A, SHE'S A YES BY DEFAULT, RIGHT? YES.
SO BY DEFAULT, MS. SHIN IS A YES.
UH, BUT WE'LL ALSO NOTE RIGHT NOW THAT, THAT WE HAVE LOST HER FOR THE PURPOSES OF QUORUM TEMPORARILY.
SO GIVEN THAT, YES, WE HAVE A UNANIMOUS, IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 TO ZERO.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND, UH, KEEP ON DOING IT.
UH, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A THANK YOU RECESS.
WE WILL BE BACK AT NINE 50 IN RECESS.
WHAT WE CAN SEE, OKAY, DO I, DO I SEE SEVEN HERE? SIX.
MR. JEFFERSON, CAN YOU TURN ON YOUR VIDEO? UH, DR. JACKSON? YES, I'M HERE.
OH, I WAS TALKING IN, UM, OKAY.
IT IS 9:57 AM ON, UH, THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2026.
UH, PERMIT, LICENSE, APPEAL BOARD RESUMES.
[4. APPEAL HEARING TWO: EXEMPTION FROM LOCATIONAL RESTRICTIONS FOR A DANCE HALL LATE HOURS PERMIT]
IS AN APPEAL HEARING.IT IS, IT IS A REQUEST FOR AN EXEMPTION FROM THE LOCATION OF RESTRICTIONS FOR A DANCE HALL LATE HOURS PERMIT.
UM, BY, ON, ON THE QUEST OF MR. EDUARDO ELLIS, ON BEHALF OF RODEO WEST DALLAS, LOCATED AT 7 0 4 SOUTH WALTON WALKER BOULEVARD, SUITE 1 4 0, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 1.
COUNSEL DISTRICT THREE FOR AN EXEMPTION FROM THE LOCATIONAL RESTRICTIONS FOR A DANCE CALL, LATE HOURS PERMIT UNDER SECTIONS 14 DASH 2.3 AND 14 DASH 3.1 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE.
UH, THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT DENIED THE LATE HOURS PERMIT BECAUSE THE BUSINESS IS LOCATED WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE OF A LOT DEVOTED TO RESIDENTIAL USE.
UM, DID THE CITY SECRETARY NOTICE TO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES WAS SENT? YES.
WE ARE, WE ARE NOT, UH, OVER OVERTURNING THE POLICE CHIEF.
POLICE CHIEF MADE NO DECISION.
WE ARE HERE TO GRANT OR DENY AN EXEMPTION BASED ON THE CRITERIA THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S ABOUT TO READ.
MS. CARLISLE, WOULD YOU READ? NO.
TODAY YOU HAVE A FOUR YEAR REQUEST FOR EXEMPTION FROM THE LOCATIONAL RESTRICTIONS FOR A DANCE HALL LATE HOURS PERMIT.
THE BOARD MAY GRANT A ONE YEAR EXEMPTION FROM THE LOCATIONAL RESTRICTIONS FOR A LATE HOURS PERMIT.
IF THIS BOARD FINDS THE FOLLOWING, ONE, THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED DANCE
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HALL WILL NOT HAVE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT ON NEARBY PROPERTY OR BE CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY OR WELFARE TO THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED DANCE HALL.WILL NOT DOWNGRADE THE PROPERTY VALUE OR QUALITY OF LIFE IN ANY ADJACENT AREA OR ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT OF URBAN BLIGHT.
THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED DANCE OPERATING UNDER LATE HOURS PERMIT IN THE AREA WILL NOT BE CONTRARY TO ANY PROGRAM OF NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION OR INTERFERE WITH ANY EFFORTS OF URBAN RENEWAL OR RESTORATION.
AND FOUR, ALL OTHER APPLICABLE PROVISIONS OF THIS CHAPTER WILL BE OBSERVED.
IN ADDITION, THE BOARD MAY GRANT AN EXEMPTION FROM A TWO YEAR PERIOD IF THE BOARD FINDS THAT ONE, THE DANCEHALL HAS BEEN GRANTED AN EXEMPTION FROM THE VOCATIONAL RESTRICTIONS OF SECTION 14 DASH 3.1 FOR THE THREE CONSECUTIVE YEARS PROCEEDING THE CURRENT EXEMPTION REQUEST.
THE APPLICANT HAS NOT HAD ANY DANCEHALL LICENSE SUSPENDED, REVOKED, OR DENIED WITHIN THE 24 MONTHS PROCEEDING THE EXEMPTION REQUEST.
AND THREE, NO VIOLATIONS OF THIS CHAPTER HAVE BEEN COMMITTED BY THE APPLICANT OR BY ANY EMPLOYEE OF A DANCEHALL OF THE APPLICANT WITHIN THE 24 MONTHS PROCEEDING.
THE EXEMPTION REQUEST AND THIS APPLICANT RODEO, WEST DALLAS, HAS RECEIVED THREE, UM, CONSECUTIVE, HAS BEEN GRANTED AN EXEMPTION FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE YEARS PROCEEDING THE CURRENT EXEMPTION REQUEST.
SO THEY ARE ELIGIBLE FOR TWO YEAR FOR AN EXEMPTION FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD.
UM, IF THIS BOARD FINDS IN THE CONTRARY TO ANY ONE OF THE PREVIOUS STATEMENTS, THEN THIS BOARD MAY DENY THE EXEMPTION FROM LOCATIONAL RESTRICTIONS FOR DANCEHALL LATE HOURS PERMIT.
UM, FOR THE APPLICANT, WOULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR, YOUR NAME? THANK YOU.
AND ARE, ARE YOU A REPRESENTATIVE OR A WITNESS? OKAY.
AND DO YOU HAVE A WITNESS? OKAY.
I I UNDERSTAND THE CITY IS REMOTE Y YES.
AND I, I BELIEVE I'M EXPERIENCING QUITE A BIT OF A LAG.
SO IF, UH, IF Y'ALL ARE GETTING THAT, IF, IF I'M COMING THROUGH SLOW, UH, PLEASE LET ME KNOW AND MS. VOLAK CAN STEP IN FOR ME AND TAKE THE REST OF IT.
UH, YOU ARE, IF YOU DO CUT OUT, IT'S, UH, I'M GLAD SHE'S HERE.
AND, UH, WE'LL, UH, WE'LL WORK WITH IT.
UH, PERHAPS, UH, YOU COULD REINTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD ON THIS ONE AND, UH, YOUR WITNESS.
UM, DOES THE DETECTIVE NEED TO BE SWORN IN AGAIN? OKAY.
IF YOU ARE GONNA GIVE TESTIMONY ON THIS CASE, WOULD YOU PLEASE BE SWORN? MS. SANCHEZ, DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE, THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE BEFORE THIS BOARD TODAY WILL BE THE TRUTH? THANK YOU.
THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THEY NEED 10 MINUTES.
IS THAT OKAY WITH THE CITY? YES.
SO, UH, YOU'LL GET A BRIEF OPENING AND CLOSE BEGINNING NOW SAME, SAME RULES AS BEFORE, BUT, BUT FOR THE RECORD, UH, GET A BRIEF OPENING AND CLOSING THAT DOESN'T WORK AGAINST YOUR TIME AND A 10 MINUTE PRESENTATION, UH, IF YOU CHOOSE TO CROSS-EXAMINE, THAT WILL GO AGAINST THAT TIME ANSWERING BOARD'S QUESTIONS AS NOT, UH, MEMBERS WILL HAVE, UM, A FREE MINUTE AND THEN A TWO MINUTE ROUND, UH, TO QUESTION WITNESSES AND, AND, UH, ULTIMATELY TO SPEAK ON A MOTION.
WOULD THE APPLICANT PLEASE BEGIN? AND, UH, YES.
UH, CAN IF IT, IF THE LIGHT'S ON.
CHAIRMAN, PLEASE, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR PROFESSIONAL ADDRESS JUST FOR THE, FOR THE RECORD.
GINA CANNON TEX PERMITS 10 12 STERLING LANE, CROWLEY, TEXAS.
BOARD MEMBERS, CITY STAFF, AND DETECTIVE MONTREAL.
MR. ELLIS, THE OWNER OF RODEO WEST, HAS ASKED ME TO COME TO ASSIST HIM TODAY IN REQUESTING THE APPROVAL OF LATE HOURS FOR HIS DANCEHALL PERMIT.
I FORMALLY WORKED FOR TEXAS ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE COMMISSION AND HAVE BEEN A CONSULTANT TO BUSINESSES THAT HAD ALCOHOL PERMITS.
STARTING MY 10TH YEAR, I HELPED HIM GAIN HIS PERMIT AND I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE SALE AND SERVICE OF ALCOHOL AND THE SAFETY THAT HE PROVIDES.
AND HE WILL SPEAK ABOUT THE SOUND AND THE SECURITY ON SITE AT THE LOCATION.
HIS ORIGINAL PERMIT I INCLUDED IN OUR PACKET OR HIS CURRENT PERMIT.
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UH, I'M SORRY, YES.IN YOUR OPENING, JUST TELL US WHAT YOU'RE GONNA TELL HER.
SAVE THE TESTIMONY FOR THE TESTIMONY TIME.
WE'RE HERE TO SHOW THAT RODEO WEST IS IN COMPLIANCE.
WE'LL, ALL WITH ALL FOUR OF THE ITEMS, UH, MENTIONED IN ORDER TO HAVE APPROVAL TO STAY OPEN PAST THE 2:00 AM TIMEFRAME.
AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAS, UH, TO THE CITY.
ARE ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR US? I CAN HEAR YES.
UM, SO JUST A VERY, VERY BRIEF OPENING.
I JUST WANNA LET THE BOARD KNOW YOU'LL BE HEARING, UH, FROM DETECTIVE MONTREAL FROM US AGAIN, AND WE ARE NOT OBJECTING TO THIS, SO I JUST WANT THE BOARD TO KNOW THAT AND CAN KEEP THAT IN MIND FOR THE, UH, APPELLANT'S, UH, TIME.
RODEO WEST HAS HAD AN ALCOHOL PERMIT FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS.
EVERY TWO YEARS, THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE NEAR THE LOCATION OR THE CITY MAY OR ANY SCHOOL OR CHURCH MAY REGISTER, UM, PROTEST AGAINST THE RENEWAL OF THEM BEING ABLE TO BE OPEN AND HAVE ALCOHOL.
THEY HAVE NEVER RECEIVED A COMPLAINT, TABC, OR THE CITY ABOUT THIS LOCATION.
MY CLIENT HAS A MIXED BEVERAGE, A FOOD AND BEVERAGE, AND A LATE HOURS PERMIT, WHICH MEANS THAT 40% OF THE SALES AT ONSITE ARE FROM FOOD.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE SPEAKING TO THIS TODAY TO THE BOARD TO SHOW THAT THEY VERY MUCH WANT TO HAVE A PROFITABLE BUSINESS WHERE EVERYONE COMES TO ENJOY THEMSELVES AND COMPLY BY EVERY STATE AND CITY.
UM, RURAL, MY PURPOSE OR MY HELP TO THE CLIENT IS YEARLY THEY HAVE TO DO A, A COMPLE, UM, COMPLIANCE INSPECTION ON SITE AND WE HELP THEM WITH THAT EVERY YEAR.
THEY HAVE NEVER HAD A COMPLAINT FROM TADC FOR THAT.
AND LIKE I SAID, ANYONE CAN PROTEST A RENEWAL AND TABC MUST INVESTIGATE IF, IF THERE'S BEEN A COMPLAINT FROM CITIZENS, UH, RESIDENTS, CHURCHES OR SCHOOLS.
UM, ALSO, I PRINTED OFF A DOCUMENT FOR EACH ONE OF YOU TO SEE THAT SHOWS THAT THERE'S NEVER BEEN AN INVESTIGATION COMPLAINT AGAINST RODEO WEST FOR THE ALCOHOL.
I'M SORRY, YOU PRINTED A DOCUMENT.
DID YOU? UM, I SUPPLIED FOUR DOCUMENTS TO THE CITY STAFF FOR TODAY.
UH, IS IT PHYSICALLY OR IS IT IN, IN OUR, OKAY.
SO, UM, THE, UH, THE BOARD DID ACCEPT, UH, INTO EVIDENCE THE, UH, APPLICANT'S REQUEST AND THE APPLICANT'S EXHIBIT ONE.
ALSO THE CITY'S EXHIBIT ONE, UM, YOU SAID PRINTED.
MR. OPS, UH, YOUR TIME SHOULD STOP HERE.
IS ANYBODY ELSE ABLE TO OPEN THIS IN THE ROOM INFORMATION, SIR? I WANNA MAKE SURE IT WAS IT, UM, THE EIGHT, AN EIGHT PAGER THAT YOU PROVIDED THE BOARD OH FOUR PAGER? YES, SIR.
ARE YOU ABLE TO, NONE OF US CAN OPEN ANY.
WELL, I'M OPENING THE, YEAH, I HAVE A FOUR PAGER.
DOES IT START WITH THE TABC UM, LICENSE? YES, SIR.
I APOLOGIZE ON THE TABC WEBSITE, ANY, ANY PERSON CAN GO ON SITE TO SEE IF THERE'S A COMPLAINT LODGED AGAINST A PERMIT HOLDER, AND I JUST PRINTED OUT PROOF THAT THERE'S NEVER BEEN A COMPLAINT LODGED AGAINST RODEO WEST.
ALSO, THERE'S ANOTHER SITE, UM, THE DELINQUENT LIST THAT SHOWS IF, IF A PERMIT HOLDER DOES NOT PAY THEIR ALCOHOL BILL ON TIME, WITHIN 15 DAYS, THEY GO ON THE DELINQUENT LIST AND THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN ON THE DELINQUENT LIST.
SO I WANTED TO SHOW THAT THIS LOCATION, UM, REPORTS ON TIME, PAYS ON TIME, DOES EVERYTHING IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE.
ALSO THE CO THE, THE, UM, PERMIT HOLDER WORKS WELL WITH THE CITY AND ANY DETECTIVES, ANY POLICE OFFICERS THAT COME ON SITE.
AND MR. ELLIS WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE, UM, SOUND AND THE SECURITY HIMSELF.
STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND, UH, GO AHEAD.
UH, EDUARDO ES UH, I'M THE OWNER OF RODEO WEST DALLAS.
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UH, FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANNA START WITH THE I THAT, THAT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT MY NEIGHBORS ARE, ARE OKAY WITH EVERYTHING, WITH THE CLUB BEING THERE.WE DO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEONE GOES TO THE 'CAUSE THERE IS APARTMENTS THAT ARE ACROSS THE, ACROSS FROM THE CLUB, AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY GO AND FIND OUT IF ANYBODY'S COMPLAINING FOR FROM THE APARTMENTS WHERE THE CLUB IS AT.
UH, I MAKE SURE THAT THE, THAT EVERYTHING IS THE SOUNDS.
I HAVE SECURITY GUARDS IN THE, BY THE DOORS TO, TO, TO GO THROUGH THE, TO THE BACK OF THE, OF THE BUILDING.
UH, I'LL MAKE
WE, WE ARE NOT JUST TAKE YOUR TIME.
WELL, ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, I I I'LL PRETTY MUCH PROBABLY BE BETTER.
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT, OKAY.
I DO TRY TO DO THE BEST I CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY, MY NAME, THE PEOPLE BEHIND THE APARTMENT THAT ARE, ARE MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE, THEY HAVEN'T COMPLAINED OR HEARD ANY, ANY LOUD NOW NOISE.
JUST THE WALLS ON, ON THE CLUB ARE VERY WELL INSULATED.
UH, WE MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOMEONE OUTSIDE MAKING SURE THAT THE SOUNDS, THE SPEAKERS ARE NOT GOING TOWARD THE, OUT TO TOWARD THE OUTSIDE.
THEY'RE GOING TO THE FRONT OF THE, OF THE CLUB.
BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU CAN JUST ASK ME.
YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER TESTIMONY? UM, I WANTED TO MENTION THAT THEY ARE ONLY OPEN ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, THAT THEY HAVE A CAPACITY OF 1300, UH, POTENTIAL PEOPLE INSIDE AT ONE TIME.
AND, AND THE REASON WHY THEY REQUEST THE LATE HOURS FOR THEIR DANCEHALL PERMIT IS SO THAT AT TWO 15 WHEN ALL, WHEN ALL ALCOHOL HAS TO BE REMOVED, THEY, THEY HAVE A SLOW PROCESS OF PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO, THAT MANY PEOPLE LEAVING IN AN ORDERLY FASHION.
AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PROVIDED NON-ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES TO TAKE THEIR TIME TO CONTINUE LAUGHING AND ENJOYING BEING THERE AS A GROUP, BUT TO BE ABLE TO GO TO THEIR CARS AND LEAVE WITHOUT ANY INCIDENTS.
UH, SO THAT, I WANTED TO MENTION TO YOU THAT THEY'RE JUST OPENED THOSE TWO DAYS.
SO, SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO HOME, BUT YOU CAN'T STAY HERE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, HUH? WELL, WE WERE JOKING, UH, EARLIER THAT STAY A LITTLE, THAT WE'LL GIVE YOU AN ORANGE JUICE.
SO TO NOT HAVE COMPLAINTS IS AMAZING.
NO, I, I WAS DOES THE CITY HAVE CROSS-EXAMINATION? WE DO NOT.
MEMBERS, UM, MS. AYALA, MS. THOMAS, MS. TORRES? NOT AT THIS TIME.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN, UM, UH, PROBABLY GIVE US DETAILS ON SECURITY, UM, IN THE BUILDING AS WELL? YES, MA'AM.
WE, I DO HAVE 12 SECURITIES INSIDE THE, THE CLUB, AND I HAVE, UH, FOUR SE THREE SECURITIES IN, IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN I HAVE, UH, ONE OF 'EM THAT'S CIRCLING AROUND THE BUILDING AT, AT ALL TIMES TILL EVERYBODY'S GONE.
ALICE, I HAD SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
DO YOU KNOW AN ESTIMATE OF REGARD TO HOW MUCH YOU SPEND A YEAR OR SPEND A MONTH ON SECURITY? YES.
DEPENDS ON THE, ON THE SIZE OF THE, OF THE CROWD OR DEPENDS ON THE SIZE, UH, WHAT GROUP WE HAVE THAT NIGHT.
IF WE HAVE A BIGGER GROUP THAT IS GONNA BRING MORE PEOPLE, WE HAVE MORE SECURITY, MORE COPS OUTSIDE, AND IF IT'S A SMALLER GROUP, WE HAVE A, A SMALLER, UH, SECURITY
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GROUP.AND IN REGARD TO, YOU SAID SECURITY OR COPS, SO YOU ACTUALLY ARE ALSO HIRING, UH, DALLAS POLICE OR GARLAND POLICE, OR WHAT? POLICE? DALLAS POLICE? YES, SIR.
THEY, THEY WORKED FOR US AT NIGHT.
AND IN REGARD TO YOUR, UM, WHO WAS THERE FIRST, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX OR YOU GUYS WERE THERE FIRST AS OF A BUSINESS, THE BUSINESS WAS THERE FIRST AND IN THE APARTMENT COMPLEX, THE NEW, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX? YES, SIR.
IS THAT, IS THAT ESSENTIALLY WHAT'S CAUSED KIND OF THIS ISSUE OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA NEAR YOU OR, BECAUSE I'VE NOTICED THAT BEFORE YOU WERE DENIED, UH, I GUESS LATE HOURS AND THEN, OR EXCUSE ME, I GUESS EXEMPTION, BUT YOU DID GET THE ONE YEAR LATE HOUR PERMIT, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, YES, SIR.
AND SO THIS IS A NEW WRINKLE THIS YEAR, OR WHEN, WHEN WAS THE APARTMENT COMPLEX BUILT? WELL, WELL, SIR, I'M KIND OF LYING TO YOU, SIR.
WELL, I'M, I DIDN'T MEAN IT LIKE ALIVE.
THE, THE APARTMENTS, WE, WE WERE, THE APARTMENTS WERE ALREADY THERE, BUT THIS THE PLACE THAT I HAVE NOW.
IT WAS USED TO BE A CLUB BEFORE, AND, AND THEN I TOOK OVER THE APARTMENT, UH, THE CLUB.
BUT YES, SIR, THE, THE, THE APARTMENT'S BEEN THERE SINCE I TOOK OVER THE CLUB.
AND SO YOU, WHENEVER YOU TOOK OVER THE CLUB, I GUESS SEVEN YEARS AGO, IS THAT YES.
THE, THE APARTMENT WERE ALREADY THERE, SIR.
THE, AND YOU WERE SEEKING LATE HOURS PERMITS AT WHEN YOU TOOK OVER THE CLUB, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, SIR.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF COMMUNITY, UH, INVOLVEMENT, UH, EXAMPLES YOU WANNA TALK TO US ABOUT? YES, SIR.
WELL, WE USUALLY JUST, WE HAVE A CHURCH THAT, THAT WE HELP.
THAT'S, UM, AND THEN WE HAVE A, NO, SIR, THAT'S ABOUT IT.
WE HAVE THE, THE WHAT CHURCH DO YOU HELP AND IS IT NEARBY THE CLUB? IT'S NEARBY THE CLUB, YES, SIR.
AND WHAT SPECIFICALLY DO YOU HELP THEM WITH? WE HELP 'EM LIKE EVERY ONCE A YEAR WE, AROUND THE CHRISTMAS TIME, WE, WE TAKE THEM TO, UH, TELEVISIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT SO THEY CAN GIVE OUT OUT.
YES, MR. ELLIS, UH, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
HOW MUCH TIME DURING THE TWO NIGHTS YOU'RE, UH, OPEN, HOW MUCH TIME, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR AVAILABILITY DURING THE OPEN HOURS? ARE YOU THERE AT OPEN TO CLOSE OR ARE YOU YES, SIR.
I'M OPEN TO CLOSE EV EVERY WEEKEND.
AND IF I'M NOT THERE ON, ON THE SUCH, I'M LYING AGAIN.
I, AGAIN, I DO HAVE A, ANOTHER MANAGER THAT RUN THAT THAT HELPS ME WITH THE PLACE.
AND IF I'M NOT, FOR SOME REASON I'M NOT THERE, THEY, SHE HELPS ME WITH THE CLOUD.
BUT I'M THERE LIKE 90% OF THE TIME.
UM, MS. SHIN, HAVE YOU, MS. SHIN WAS NOT, NOT FEELING WELL, SIR.
UM, FOR THE BENEFIT, MS. SHIN'S, UH, ABSENCE IS AN APPROVED ABSENCE BY THE CHAIR, AND I BELIEVE SHE WILL HAVE BEEN PRESENT FOR MORE THAN HALF, BUT WE'LL SEE.
MI, SO MS. SHIN, UH, IS NOT PRESENT.
MR. CHAIR, I, I BELIEVE WHEN YOU CALL ME, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA.
WE, WE'VE GOT ALL KINDS OF FEEDBACK GOING ON HERE.
UM, PLEASE TRY AGAIN, MR. CHAIR.
I, I WAS AVAILABLE BUT WAS ON MUTE WHEN YOU, UH, CALLED, I APOLOGIZE.
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, MS. THOMAS, AND, BUT I DO
THEY'VE HAD, UH, I HEARD HIM SAY THAT THEY HAVE ADDED ADDITIONAL SECURITY AND POLICE, UH, SECURITY ON THEIR PREMISES.
I SEE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, THREE STOLEN VEHICLES THIS YEAR ALONE.
HAS ANYTHING BEEN DONE TO CURTAIL THAT? WELL, AS FAR AS I KNOW, MA'AM, UH, THE, THE COMPLEX HAS A RESTAURANT AND IT'S GOT THREE OTHER, UH,
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KEANE DORMS. SO I WASN'T AWARE THAT THERE WAS ANY CARS STILL THAT GOT STOLEN FROM RODEO WEST THAT IT, THE CARS WERE FROM, THE CUSTOMERS WERE THERE AT RODEO WEST AT THE TIME THAT THE CARS WERE STOLEN.WE MAY HAVE JUST LOST MS. ARD.
I DON'T, UH, I DON'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF AT ALL IF YOU'RE SPEAKING, BUT WE CANNOT HEAR YOU.
DID YOU NOT HEAR THAT? YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN AND OUT.
DID, DID I MOVE PAST ANYONE ELSE WHO WE ARE HAVING TECHNICAL ISSUES? UH, DID I, DID I, OKAY.
UM, THANK YOU MS. THOMAS FOR, FOR, UH, LETTING ME KNOW.
UM, MY, I I THINK ONLY QUESTION, DO YOU, BOARD'S RECORDS SHOW THAT YOUR MOST RECENT EXEMPTION WAS GRANTED ON JULY 3RD, 2025.
UH, ONE OF THE PACKETS SHOWS SIX NINE OF 2025.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE CORRECT DATE IS? OH, I, I WAS THINKING IT WAS THE SAME TIME THAT DANCE HALL APARTMENT LICENSE, UH, UH, EXPIRES.
IS THAT NORMAL GIVEN, GIVEN THAT THE, UH, EXPIRATION AND THEN WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO PICTURE THAT POINT, POINT OF INFORMATION.
IT ACTUALLY STATES THE LETTER, THE, THEY HAVE A PERMIT CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, JULY 3RD, 2026.
NOW, IN REGARD TO THE LATE HOUR, I DON'T IT, I GUESS IT HAS ENDED AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
IS THAT ACCURATE, I GUESS CITY OR A
THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO, THAT OKAY.
BUT I KNOW THAT DAN HALL PERMIT IS A, IS CURRENT.
MAYBE WE SHOULD ASK THE POLICE AT THE, AT THE, THAT'S ALL PERMIT IS IT'S CURRENT.
UM, UH, THEIR LINE FOR LATE HOURS.
'CAUSE IT WAS, I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT PACKET WENT AHEAD.
TIME TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TIME FOR THE PROCESS, BUT THEY ARE CURRENTLY, AND FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, IT'S THE BOARD BOARD'S, UH, PRACTICE NOT, NOT TO, UH, HOLD A DENIED, UH, UH, LICENSE FOR, FOR OR PERMIT FOR, FOR LOCATIONAL RESTRICTIONS, UH, AGAINST THEM FOR THE PURPOSES OF, UH, THE, UH, GETTING THE LATE NIGHT HOURS.
OTHERWISE, THAT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE THE, BECAUSE THE CHIEF HAS TO DENY IT INITIALLY.
UH, THAT, THAT WAS ALL I WAS TRYING TO GET THROUGH.
UM, GO THROUGH AGAIN, UM, MS. AYALA, NO QUESTIONS.
DR. JACKSON? I WAS JUST SCANNING THROUGH, UM, THE REPORT AND I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME ABOUT YOUR LIGHTING IN THE PARKING AREA? YES, MA'AM.
I'M SORRY, CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? CAN YOU EXPLAIN SURE.
DETAILS OF YOUR, UH, LIGHTING IN THE PARKING? IS IT HOW IT LITTED YOUR PARKING LOT? YES, MA'AM.
THE, UH, I, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF LIGHTING AND, UH, OUTSIDE, ON THE FRONT AND THE BACK.
UM, UM, VICE CHAIR CUCH, NO QUESTIONS.
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YOU CHAIR.MR. KRON? NO QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR.
UM, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY CONSERVATION EFFORTS IN, IN YOUR AREA? NO, I AM NOT, SIR.
UH, ON, ON THE APP THERE, THERE'S SOME NOTES IN THE MARGIN ON, ON THE, UM, THE APPLICATION.
ARE YOU, ARE YOU THE 100% MEMBER THERE? YES, SIR.
UM, AND YOU, YOU HAVE, OR, OR, OR NONE OF YOUR EMPLOYEES HAVE ANY CHAPTER 14, UH, VIOLATIONS? NONE AT ALL, SIR.
THANK YOU ALL I HAVE, UM, CAN I ILLA? YES.
CAN I GO BACK TO LIKE, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, ONE QUESTION I FORGOT TO ASK.
WHO IS THE DANCEHALL SUPERVISOR DESIGNATED? I SAW ON HERE IT SAYS MANAGER AND THE APPLICATION DOESN'T ACTUALLY SAY DANCEHALL SUPERVISOR.
ARE YOU THE DANCEHALL SUPERVISOR OR SOMEONE ELSE? I AM, I'M THE ONE THAT DOES ALL, ALL, ALL THE MANAGING THE DANCE HALL AND YES SIR.
AND SO THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT THE DANCEHALL SUPERVISOR IS THERE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE TIME THAT DANCING IS ALLOWED.
ARE YOU THERE ALL FRIDAY AND ALL SATURDAY NIGHT? YES, SIR.
UNLESS THERE'S AN EMERGENCY, I'M NOT, BUT OTHER THAN THAT OUT THERE, NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY, WHO IS THE ALTERNATIVE? I HAVE ANOTHER MANAGER THAT HELPED, THAT HELPED ME WITH, WITH THE, AND THAT'LL STAY THERE THE WHOLE NIGHT? YES.
UH, WOULD ANYONE ELSE WHO DIDN'T SPEAK LIKE TO SPEAK BEFORE I CLOSE THESE QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANK YOU.
SHOULDN'T NEED THAT MUCH TIME.
UH, SO THE CITY'S GONNA BE ASKING QUESTIONS OF DETECTIVE MONTREAL.
SO, UH, DETECTIVE MONTREAL, CAN YOU JUST TELL US WHAT YOUR CURRENT POSITION WITH DPD IS AND WHAT YOU AND YOUR UNIT, UH, DO.
I'M DETECTIVE MONTREAL, DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT VICE LICENSE UNIT.
BEEN WITH THE DEPARTMENT FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
UH, BEEN WORKING WITH VICE LICENSEE FOR APPROXIMATELY FIVE, FIVE YEARS.
UH, WE HANDLE, UH, CERTAIN TYPES OF APPLICATIONS FROM A
WE PROCESS THESE APPLICATIONS.
UH, THESE, UH, ONCE WE PROCESS IT, UH, CHIEF OF POLICE WILL THEY EITHER AGREED TO IT, SIGN OFF OF IT.
SO, UM, SOME OF THESE LAY HOURS, LIKE THIS ONE IN QUESTION, UH, THE THINGS THAT CHIEF CHIEF OF POLICE HAS NO DISCRETION ON IT.
IT'S AUTOMATICALLY DIAL ONLY FOR THE BUSINESS WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET.
LOT OF TIMES THE BUSINESS MIGHT BE THERE BEFORE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
SINCE IT'S THERE, IT'S COULD BE AN AUTOMATIC DENIAL.
UM, THE BUSINESS IN QUESTION HERE HAS ALREADY HAD THREE OTHER DENIALS, BUT AGAIN, THEY APPEAL TO APPLY PERIOD AND THEY'VE BEEN GRANTED ALL THREE OCCASIONS THAT HAVE BEEN GRANTED A, A MADE HOUR, WHICH ALLOWS THEM TO O OPERATE BETWEEN THE HOURS AT 2:00 AM TO 4:00 AM THAT WAY FAR.
AND IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM, UH, YOUR TESTIMONY THAT YOU ARE, UH, VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS LOCATION AT 7 0 4 SOUTH WALTON WALKER KNOWN AS RODEO WEST, CORRECT? CORRECT.
I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN THERE AND DID A, UH, NIGHT, UH, OBSERVATION OF THE PROPERTY, WENT THERE, OBSERVED THAT THEY DO HAVE A ROAMING SECURITY THAT HAS ACTUALLY LIGHTS AND GOING AROUND THE PROPERTY.
IT'S A PRETTY BIG, UH, SHOPPING CENTER PARKING LOT.
SO THERE'S OTHER, OTHER, UM, UH, BUSINESSES IN THAT AREA.
A LOT OF TIMES IT MIGHT CLOSE.
A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL HAVE A 9 1 1 CALL, NINE ONE ONE CALL REGARDING, THEY'LL SAY RODEO WEST DALLAS, EITHER, UH, IT'S SHOWING THAT IT ACTUALLY OCCURRED A SHELL GAS STATION OR A DOLLAR STORE, THAT IT'S RIGHT AT THE VERY CORNER.
UM, SINCE IT'S BIG SHOPPING CENTER, A LOT OF TIMES SOME OF THESE
AND A LOT OF TIMES, UM, AGAIN, THE, I THINK THE ROMAN SECURITY ONLY GOES ALL AROUND THAT AREA.
MIGHT NOT SEE THAT OR MIGHT NOT GO TOWARDS THE BACK.
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I DON'T KNOW.UM, I DID ALSO SEE THAT, UH, UH, WHEN I WAS THERE LATE AT NIGHT, THAT THEY DO HAVE, UH, APPARENTLY SECURITY GUARDS THAT CHECK ON DOORS OR MAKE SURE THAT THOSE DOORS, AS SOON AS THE DOORS SIDE DOORS OPEN, THE DOOR HAVE CLOSED AUTOMATICALLY.
I GUESS THEY TRY TO, UH, KEEP THE SOUND IN.
SO THEY, THEY DO HAVE A DOOR GUIDE.
THEY KEEP THE DOORS CLOSED, KEEP THE SOUND INSIDE.
SO I DIDN'T SEE ANY, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING AS I WAS IN THE AREA.
ANY SOUND COMING OUT? UH, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'D BEEN THERE AT NIGHTTIME, SO JUST TO ADDRESS, UH, TWO OF MS. JACKSON'S QUESTIONS, UM, DID, DID YOU FIND THE LIGHTING TO BE SUFFICIENT IN THE PARKING LOT WHEN YOU, UH, VISITED THE PROPERTY? CORRECT.
UH, JUST LIKE THE APPLICANT WAS SAYING, DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND OF A, UH, NIGHT THEY'RE HAVING, THERE'S A LARGER GROUP OF WHAT YOU HAVE MORE, MORE VEHICLES PARKED OUT THERE, BUT THEY DO HAVE THAT ROAMING SECURITY THAT IS GOING AROUND.
UM, AND FOR A PROPERTY THIS SIZE, UH, JUST TO TALK ABOUT THE UUM VS THE, THE STOLEN VEHICLES, UM, DO YOU FIND THE, THE NUMBER OF THOSE, UH, OFFENSES AT THIS LOCATION TO BE HIGH, LOW AVERAGE? THE ACTUAL O OFFENSES ARE VERY LOW.
UH, THEY'VE ONLY HAD 17 NATIONAL CALLS OUT THERE.
OUT OF THOSE 17, ONLY SEVEN REPORTS HAVE BEEN GENERATED, WHICH IS VERY LOW GRADE.
UH, ES SITES, UM, SEVEN OFFICES.
ONE OF THOSE ACTUALLY OPPOSITE DID NOT ACTUALLY OCCUR AT
SO THAT BRINGS IT DOWN TO SIX.
DURING THE, BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 2:00 AM 4:00 AM WHICH IS OUR LATE HOURS, UH, THERE WAS ONLY FIVE CALLS THAT CAME INTO THAT DURING THAT TIME PERIOD WITH ZERO, UH, OFFENSES.
THAT MEANS THAT NO REPORTS WERE GENERATED.
AND SOMETIMES SOME OF THESE CALL COME IN, LIKE I SAID, DURING THAT TIME, BUT PEOPLE DON'T STAY OR PEOPLE JUST CALL AND LEAVE.
UM, IT MIGHT BE SOME OTHER BUSINESS.
A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE JUST NOT THERE.
UM, UH, ARE YOU AWARE OF, IN, IN YOUR INVESTIGATION, DID YOU FIND ANY NOISE COMPLAINTS EITHER FROM THE, THE APARTMENT NEARBY OR, OR ANY AT ALL? NO COMPLAINTS FROM ANY APARTMENT COMPLEX OR ANY, UH, UH, NEIGHBOR BUSINESSES.
UH, THOSE HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL ANSWERS AND RESPONSES.
I THINK YOU'VE COVERED ALL OF OUR BASES, SO I'LL JUST ASK YOU ONE FINAL QUESTION.
UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THIS LATE NIGHT HOURS, UH, PERMIT BEING APPROVED? NO, SIR.
DOES THE, UH, APPLICANT HAVE CROSSED? YES, SIR.
I JUST HAVE, UH, ONE MORE THING TO SAY.
THE, THE REASON I DO NEED THE LATE HOUR.
YOU, YOU NEED TO, UH, IN THIS, YOU NEED TO, TO BE ASKING HIM A QUESTION.
I'M GUESSING IN YOUR CLOSING STATEMENT YOU CAN PROBABLY SNEAK IN WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SAY.
UH, SO THERE, THERE'S NO, NO CROSS UH, MEMBERS QUESTIONS.
DETECTIVE, THANKS FOR HANGING OUT WITH US THIS MORNING.
UH, MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS RELATED TO YOU WERE FINE WITH A LATE NIGHT EXEMPTION.
ARE YOU FINE WITH A TWO YEAR LATE NIGHT EXEMPTION? YES, I AM, SIR.
THEY'VE BEEN, UM, ACTUALLY WORKING WELL WITH THE DPD, THE POLICE, UH, WE ASKED ABOUT ACTUALLY WORK WELL THIS AND, AND, UM, I DON'T SEE ANY IPIPELINE RIGHT THERE AT ALL, ACTUALLY, IF PRODUCED LAST YEAR'S.
UM, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CALL AND A REPORT? DIFFERENCE WITH A CALL AND A REPORT IS, A LOT OF TIMES YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT JUST DIAL 9 1 1 MAYBE IN THE AREA, UH, THAT 9 1 1, IT'S GONNA BE REGISTERED AS A CALL.
UH, UM, UH, PHONES ARE TO BE SENT THERE WHILE THEY ARRIVE.
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SOMEBODY LEFT OR SOMEBODY JUST DIAL 9 1 1.MISTAKENLY, UH, IT COULD BE DIALED FROM ANYWHERE IN THAT AREA.
SO IF A POLICE OFFICER SHOWS UP AND THERE'S NO ONE TALK ABOUT IT, NO ONE TO TALK, NO EVIDENCE, THEY CIRCLE AROUND, ASKED, TRY TO SEE SOMEBODY, FLAG THEM DOWN, IT DOES.
SO THEY, THE ROUND AND THEN THEY DON'T FOLLOW THE AREA.
HOW DO YOU HANDLE COMPLAINTS FROM PEOPLE? WHAT, LIKE CROSSING A PARKING LOT? I MEAN, THEY, THEY COME FROM SOMEWHERE, SOMETHING MIGHT HAPPEN AND THEY, THEY MOVE ON.
I MEAN, HOW, HOW, HOW DO THE POLICE DEAL WITH A REPORT LIKE THAT OR A CALL LIKE THAT? CROSSING A PARKING? YEAH, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE WHERE THERE, THERE MIGHT BE A, A CALL FOR SOMETHING.
UH, SOMEBODY'S DRINKING IN PUBLIC IN THE PARKING LOT AS THEY WALK PAST, BUT SOMEBODY HAPPENS TO CALL WHILE THEY'RE ON THAT PROPERTY.
OCCASIONALLY, SOME, A PARKING LOT, UH, PERSON DRINKING OUT THERE.
WE DO OCCASIONALLY GET A CALL ABOUT THE BI A LOT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, DRIVE THROUGH THE PARKING LOT, UH, A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL GET A REFERENCES TO OUR VEHICLE OR GROUP OF PEOPLE HANGING OUT THERE.
UM, MANY TIMES POLICE SHOW UP OR THEY SEE THE SQUAD CAR EVERYBODY PACKS IT UP AT, SO THEY HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING.
THERE'S NO GEN, THERE'S NO REPORT YET.
SO THERE'D BE NO REPORT THERE? NO, SIR.
DO ALL OF THESE CALLS COME IN 9 1 1 OR DO SOME 3 1 1 OR, UH, THESE WOULD COME IN AS UN THEY ALL DO.
DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE FOR THE ABILITY TO KNOW HOW MANY OF THOSE CALLS COME FROM THE APPLICANT THEMSELVES? OF THE APPLICANT ITSELF? LIKE IF THE, IF THE APPLICANT CALLS AND SAYS, HEY, WE, WE, WE'VE GOT A DISTURBANCE.
IF THE APPLICANT WOULD'VE CALLED A LOT, THOSE, UH, UH, INDIVIDUALS THAT DO CALL THEIR NUMBER GETS REGISTERED, THE INDIVIDUAL, AND IT'LL SHOW WHAT, WHERE THAT CALL CAME.
AND IN THESE CASES, DO YOU, ARE THESE DESIGNATED A LOT OF YOU OF THESE, SOME OF THESE 9 1 1 CALLS? AGAIN, IF SOMEBODY CALLS AND SAYS, IF MY VEHICLE WAS STOLEN AND ROAD WEST, AND THAT'S WHY A LOT OF TIMES THESE OFFENSES ACTUALLY DIDN'T OCCUR.
THERE, BECAUSE ALL THEY'RE LOOKING AT IS BIG SIGN THAT SAYS ROTO WEB.
BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO SHELL GAS STATION.
IT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT BUSINESS, BUT THEY REFERENCE IT TO ROAD.
BUT YOU WOULD NOTE IF IT WAS ACTUALLY THE APPLICANT, CORRECT? CORRECT.
YOU SAID, YEAH, THERE A HUNDRED CALLS, BUT 90 OF THEM WERE THE APPLICANT TRYING TO CORRECT MATTER.
CHAIR MS. TORRES? NO QUESTIONS.
VICE CHAIR GUILLO? NO QUESTIONS.
MR. JEFFERSON, DO YOU WANNA MAKE ONE? HUH? OH, I'M SORRY.
MY, MY ONE, I'M JUMPING THE GUN.
UM, SO, UH, THAT CLOSES, EVIDENTIARY, UM, EACH, EACH SIDE GETS A CLOSE THREE MINUTES.
WOULD, UH, THE APPLICANT LIKE TO CLOSE? THANKS.
UM, I, I JUST WANT, WANT YOU GUYS TO KNOW THAT, UH, THAT I HAVE A VERY CLEAN ESTABLISHMENT.
I MAKE SURE MY NEIGHBORS ARE NOT DISTURBED.
WE MAKE SURE WE CLOSE AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
THE REASON WE NEED THE LATE HOURS IS JUST SO PEOPLE CAN LEAVE IN A MANNER, MANUAL WAY AND WE DON'T HAVE EVERYBODY FIGHTING TRYING TO GET THEIR CARS.
OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S IT.
I JUST TRY TO HAVE EVERYBODY TRYING DO THE RIGHT THING FOR EVERYONE.
UH, THE CITY, CITY WA CLOSING.
NOW THE EVIDENTIARY HEARING IS CLOSED AND I SEEK A MOTION.
MR. JEFFERSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO? ONLY BECAUSE, UH, IT WAS HIS OBSERVATION THAT THAT, UH, GOT US TO FOCUS ON THE LANGUAGE.
IS THERE A MOTION, MOTION TO GRANT THE EXEMPTION FROM THE LOCATION RESTRICTIONS FOR DANCEHALL LAID HOUR PERMIT? IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.
IS IT ONE OR TWO? DO YOUR EXEMPTION?
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IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.UH, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ THE FORMAL? UH, I'M JUST GONNA AMEND IT IF YOU WANT.
MR. WOULD YOU PLEASE RESTATE YOUR, YOUR MOTION? YES, I MOVE THAT THE PERMANENT LICENSE APPEAL BOARD AND THE REQUEST FOR EXEMPTION FROM THE LOCATIONAL RESTRICTIONS FOR A DANCEHALL LATE HOURS PERMIT FOR RODEO WEST DALLAS, LOCATED AT 7 0 4 SOUTH WALTON WALKER BOULEVARD, SUITE ONE 40, DALLAS, TEXAS GRANT, A TWO YEAR EXEMPTION FROM THE LOCATIONAL RESTRICTIONS IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER 14 AND SECTION TWO DASH 96 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE.
BECAUSE THE EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY SHOW, NUMBER ONE, THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED DANCE HALL WILL NOT HAVE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT ON NEARBY PROPERTY OR BE CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY OR WELFARE.
TWO, THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED DANCE HALL WILL NOT DOWNGRADE THE PROPERTY VALUE OR QUALITY OF LIFE IN ANY ADJACENT AREA OR ENCOURAGED THE DEVELOPMENT OF URBAN LIGHT THROUGH THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED DANCE HALL.
OPERATING UNDER A LATE HOURS PERMIT IN THE AREA WILL NOT BE CONTRARY TO ANY PROGRAM OF NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION OR INTERFERE WITH ANY EFFORTS OF URBAN RENEWAL OR RESTORATION AND OR ALL OTHER APPLICABLE PROVISIONS OF CHAPTER 14 WILL BE OBSERVED.
IN ADDITION, THE DANCE HALL HAS BEEN GRANTED AN EXEMPTION FROM THE LOCATIONAL RESTRICTIONS OF SECTION 14 DASH 3.1 FOR THE THREE CONSECUTIVE YEARS PROCEEDING THE CURRENT EXEMPTION REQUEST.
THE APPLICANT HAS NOT HAD ANY DANCEHALL LICENSE SUSPENDED, REVOKED, OR DENIED WITHIN THE 24 MONTHS PROCEEDING THE EXEMPTION REQUEST.
AND THREE, NO VIOLATIONS OF CHAPTER 14 HAVE BEEN COMMITTED BY THE APPLICANT OR BY AN EMPLOYEE OF A DANCE HALL OR THE APPLICANT WITHIN THE 24 MONTHS PROCEEDING THE EXEMPTION REQUEST.
IS THERE, WHO, WHO IS SECONDED IT BEFORE? SECOND.
MS. GUTCHES, YOUR MOTION? UM, I HAVE NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
I THINK WITH THE EVIDENCE THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED, UH, WARRANTS THIS MOTION, UH, FOR GRANTING A TWO YEAR EXEMPTION.
YOUR SECOND? I ECHO VICE CHAIR C'S THOUGHTS? OKAY,
UH, SO LET, WE'LL JUST QUICKLY GO THROUGH, UH, MS. AYALA, CAN YOU HEAR ME? UH, A I DO, I'M SORRY.
MS. AYALA, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? THE QUESTION IS WHETHER YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE MOTION? NO.
UM, MR. JEFFERSON, UH, NO QUESTIONS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I APOLOGIZE.
I WASN'T ABLE TO, I'M PULLING UP THE DOCUMENTS FOR GRANT, UH, THIS APPEAL EARLIER AND I WAS ON MUTE, SO MY APOLOGIES.
IT WAS MR. JEFFERSON'S, UH, CATCH ON, UH, ON THE, THE LANGUAGE AND OUR MOTIONS, BUT THEN MS. UH, CARLISLE, UH, PERFECTED.
SO HOPE, WELL, I'LL LEAVE IT THAT.
UH, SO YOU HAVE NO COMMENTS? NO FURTHER COMMENTS.
UH, I ONLY HAVE THE SAME THING TO SAY.
I APPRECIATE YOUR STEWARDSHIP.
I APPRECIATE THAT THE CITY COMES HERE IN GOOD FAITH AND, UH, I WISH YOU WELL AND, UH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE YOU IN TWO YEARS.
SECOND TIME THROUGH MR. PILLA.
MR. QUINT CHAIRMAN, POINT OF ORDER.
SINCE, UH, EVIDENCE HAS BEEN OVERWHELMINGLY IN SUPPORT AND THE CITY DOESN'T OBJECT TO THEM HAVING THE TWO YEAR EXEMPTION, CAN WE CALL THE QUESTION? UH, I THINK WE ARE ABOUT TO DO THAT.
UM, I'M LITERALLY JUST ASKING WHETHER ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA VOTE IS DO, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO TAKE A VOTE TO STOP DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW OR CAN I, UH, WOULD YOU MIND
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ME JUST ASKING WHETHER ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK ONE MORE TIME? GO AHEAD AND ASK.IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, UH, PLEASE EITHER RAISE YOUR HAND OR SPEAK.
THAT SAID, UH, WE WILL CALL THE QUESTION, UM, A YES VOTE IS TO GRANT FOR TWO YEARS A NO VOTE IS TO DENY FOR TWO YEARS.
UH, SO WE, WE START WITH MS. AYALA? YES.
NOTE THAT OUR VOTE TOTAL IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE FROM THE LAST TIME, BECAUSE MS. SHIN, UH, IS NO LONGER PRESENT.
CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU.
UH, IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS? WE WILL, WE HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING ON THE 17TH WHERE WE HAVE TWO HCP CASES.
IF I SAY THAT WE WILL START AT EIGHT 30 SHARP, CAN I PROMISE THAT, THAT OUR TECH WILL BE UP AND READY AND WE CAN GO? NO, I CAN'T.
AND SO, SO JUST DO IT AT NINE IF THE TECH IS FUNCTIONAL, CAN WE BE READY? OKAY.
WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL BE, TRY TO BE SHARP BECAUSE, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, TWO MEATY, MEATY CASES.
IT IS 10:45 AM ON THE 3RD OF SEPTEMBER, 2026.