[00:00:02] GOOD AFTERNOON. IT IS NOW 1:02 P.M. AND THE TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORK, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE [Call to Order] COMMITTEE IS NOW IN SESSION. OUR FIRST ITEM IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE JUNE 15TH COMMITTEE MEETING. [MINUTES] ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE MINUTES? I WAS WONDERING YEAH, I ASSUME WE ARE. OTHERWISE THAT WOULD HAVE STOPPED US. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, SAY AYE. AYE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. OUR FIRST BRIEFING ITEM IS ITEM A, TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC WORKS QUARTERLY REPORT COURTESY OF DOCTOR KHANKARLI. [BRIEFING MEMOS/ ACTION ITEMS] WELCOME DOCTOR KHANKARLI. SUMMARY AND THEN BE OPEN FOR QUESTIONS. YES, SIR. HONORABLE CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE. WE'RE GOING TO I HAVE WITH ME OUR CITY ENGINEER, MISS SOPHIA HARVEY. SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO HER FOR THE KIND OF SUMMARY OF WHERE WE ARE. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS REPORT IS AS OF JUNE 30TH, 2026. YEAH THAT'S BETTER. THIS REPORT IS AS OF JUNE 30TH, 2026. AND YOU AS YOU CAN SEE WE HAD A PLANNED 759 LANE MILES AND COMPLETED 38615 AND THE SIDEWALK WAS 0.48 AND COMPLETED 0.48 LANE MILES AND THE BRIDGE REPAIR WE HAD 14 BRIDGES, BUT DURING THIS QUARTER WE HAD FOUR PLANNED AND EIGHT EMERGENCY SERVICE REQUESTS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE BEHIND THE MEMO, WE HAVE PAVEMENT TREATMENT DEFINITIONS FOR YOUR REFERENCE. IT'S THE THIRD PAGE AFTER THE IT'S THE MEMO AND THEN THE PAVEMENT TREATMENT DEFINITIONS. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE EXHIBIT A FOLLOWED BY EXHIBIT B. EXHIBIT A IS A GENERAL FUND. EXHIBIT B IS BOND FUNDED PROJECTS. EXHIBIT D IS THE BRIDGE MAINTENANCE REPAIR PROGRAM, EXHIBIT D. AND WHAT I WANT TO GIVE YOU AS AN UPDATE, SINCE THIS IS, YOU KNOW, AS OF JUNE 30TH, THEN WE ARE AS OF SEPTEMBER 8TH, WE HAVE COMPLETED ABOUT 562 LANE MILES. AND THAT WAS THE REPORTING PERIOD. AND WE HAVE COMPLETE CONFIDENCE THAT WE WILL COMPLETE THE 780 LANE MILES BY THE END OF SEPTEMBER 2026. ANY QUESTIONS? IF I MAY ADD, JUST ONE MORE THING, IS THAT SINCE WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE QUARTERLY REPORT, THIS IS WHY IT IS REPORTING THE LOWER NUMBER. SO ON THE NEXT REPORT, WE'LL CAPTURE THE FULL NUMBERS THAT WE ARE COMPLETING SO THAT WE CAN BE ON SCHEDULE, AS WELL AS PREPARE THE WORK PLAN FOR THE FY 27 BASED ON THE, BUDGET, AS WELL AS THE REMAINDER OF THE 2024 BOND THAT HAS NOT BEEN IMPLEMENTED YET. SO, DOCTOR KHANKARLI, THE EXHIBITS ARE THOSE RETROSPECTIVE RELATING TO THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, OR ARE THEY PROSPECTIVE FOR THE NEW FISCAL YEAR? SO THEY ARE FOR THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. SO IT AS I MENTIONED, IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET ON A CADENCE. SO IN OCTOBER, WE PROVIDE YOU THE WORK PLAN FOR THE NEW FISCAL YEAR. AND THEN THE FOLLOWING REPORT WILL PROVIDE THE WHAT WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED FOR THE PREVIOUS YEAR. VERY GOOD. SO ANY QUESTIONS? SHOULD WE START ON THE LEFT WITH COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKMON. NO? COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN. THANK YOU. WELL, TYPICALLY IN THIS REPORT, WE SEE EXACTLY THIS, THAT IT'S NOT LOOKING LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE FINISHED THIS FISCAL YEAR. IN FACT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN A YEAR I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL WHERE THE LANE MILES EXPECTED OR DOLLARS WERE EXPENDED WITHIN THAT YEAR. SO HOW CLOSE DO YOU THINK YOU'LL GET, AND DO YOU THINK THAT FOR THE DOLLARS THAT ARE NOT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ENCUMBERED OR THEY'RE LIKE SOMEWHERE IN THE PROCESS? [00:05:09] THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. I HAVE VERY HIGH CONFIDENCE THAT NOT ONLY WE WILL ACHIEVE THE 759 THAT WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO DO, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO EXCEED IT. REMEMBER ALSO THAT DURING FIFA WE DID A LOT OF REPAIR WORK OR ROADWAY WORK THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE INITIAL PROJECTED WORK. AND WE ADDED THAT AND STAFF WAS DOING THAT WORK FOR FIFA. AND NOW THEY'RE BACK ONTO THE ORIGINAL PROGRAM. CASE IN POINT, FOR EXAMPLE MOCKINGBIRD AROUND LOVE FIELD WAS NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL PLANNED WORK IN THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, BUT THEN WE WENT AHEAD AND DID IT FOR THE FIFA. SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT WILL BE ADDED TO THE LIST TO SHOW THAT WHAT WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED NOT ONLY MET, BUT EXCEEDED WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING. I WILL SAY THAT MOCKINGBIRD LOOKS BEAUTIFUL. DRIVES NICELY FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE BEEN BOUNCING AROUND ON IT. THANK YOU. BUT HOW IS THAT WORK FUNDED? WAS IT JUST ACCELERATED THROUGH THE PROGRAM OR WAS IT NEW OR? YES. SO SOME OF THAT FUNDED FUNDING CAME FROM THE COUNCIL APPROVED FUNDS. IF YOU RECALL, A FEW YEARS BACK FOR THE FIFA EFFORT. SO AT THAT TIME, WE MOVED $5 MILLION IN FIFA FUNDS TO THE TRANSPORTATION TO HELP WITH SOME OF THESE ROADWAY REPAIRS. OKAY. WELL, THAT WOULD BE AMAZING IF YOU CAN GET THROUGH ALL OF THAT. AND AGAIN, I'M JUST GOING TO KEEP SAYING IT, I THINK FOREVER HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE HAVING THIS LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT WE NEVER USED TO HAVE. AND IT'S VERY HELPFUL IN COMMUNICATING WITH OUR DISTRICTS ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE PROJECTS. WITHOUT GOING INTO THE WHOLE IMP. AND I APPRECIATE THE INPUT THAT YOU ALL HAD FOR US. AND NOT ONLY THAT, MY INTENT FOR THE NEW FISCAL YEAR TO HAVE THIS REPORT IN A, LIKE SOME SORT OF A DASHBOARD ON OUR WEBSITE SO YOU CAN GO IN AND SEE IT AND SORT IT BY DISTRICT, BY ROADWAY AND WHATEVER IT IS, INSTEAD OF HAVING IT JUST AS AN ATTACHMENT. WELL, I THINK THE RESIDENTS WOULD REALLY LIKE THAT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER CADENA. YEAH, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY HELPFUL. I KNOW WE HAVE RESIDENTS THAT ASK ABOUT THEIR STREET, WHAT THEY KNOW THAT IT GOT PASSED ON THE BOND OR MAYBE IT'S GOING TO GET A REPAIR. AND SO THIS IS HELPFUL TO PROVIDE THEM WITH THAT INFORMATION. SO THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR ROTH. YES, YOUR TEAM AND YOU AND YOUR TEAM ARE JUST DOING A TERRIFIC JOB IN TRYING TO MANAGE THE BEST THAT YOU CAN. 11 WAS 11,000 MILES OF ROADWAYS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND SO I APPRECIATE YOUR WORKING ON THIS AND I APPRECIATE THE REPORTING. I, I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE SOMETIMES UNDERSTANDING HOW I CAN RESPOND TO FOLKS WITHOUT HAVING TO INTERFERE AND ASK YOU ALL WHAT THE DATES ARE AND STUFF LIKE, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE OVERLY HIGH MAINTENANCE IN, IN TRYING TO GET INFORMATION. AND SO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE COULD GENERALLY GET SOME MAYBE ESTIMATED COMPLETION DATES OR ESTIMATED DATES ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS AS THEY'RE COMING. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I NEED THIS AT THIS LEVEL, BUT IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER SOME KIND OF A LITTLE REPORT FOR, FOR THE DISTRICT OFFICES THAT WE COULD MAYBE IF PROJECTS ARE COMING UP, THAT WE MIGHT HAVE THAT INFORMATION A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO GIVE TO FOLKS. I THINK PEOPLE ARE TOLERANT IF THEY SEE THINGS BEING DONE, THEY DO WANT THEY TOLERANT IF WE GIVE THEM AN ANSWER. BUT THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE GIVING IS TERRIFIC. IT'S JUST THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON, AND I THINK PEOPLE ARE JUST WOULD LIKE US TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND. AND I DON'T WANT. I WANT TO NOT HAVE TO BURDEN YOU ALL WITH THAT RESPONSIVENESS. AND WE'D LIKE TO HELP YOU WITH THAT. WELL, AGAIN, THANK YOU. GREAT FEEDBACK. AND THIS IS THE SORT OF FEEDBACK THAT WOULD HELP US IMPROVE ON OUR REPORTING. AND CERTAINLY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL LOOK INTO. IF WE CAN PROVIDE A REASONABLE TIMING RANGE OF TIME, IF YOU WILL, WHEN THE WORK WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED. AND MOST OF THE, MOST OF THESE PROJECTS, THE MONIES ALREADY ALLOCATED, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT SEEMS TO BE I'M TAKING FROM IS THAT A CORRECT STATEMENT? THAT WE'VE ALREADY. FOR SURE PLAN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL YEAR, ALL OF THESE PROJECTS WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED WITHIN THE FISCAL YEAR. THE CHALLENGE IS, IS IT WHAT MONTH, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS YEAR I WAS, I WAS LOOKING INTO THE, THE FORECAST THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EL NIÑO. [00:10:02] SO IF THAT IS THE CASE AND WE GET A WETTER SEASON, IF YOU WILL, THEN THAT WOULD DEFINITELY IMPACT THE DELIVERY ON WHEN WE CAN GET TO WORK ON THESE PROJECTS. SO. SO THESE ARE SOME THINGS THAT SOME FACTORS THAT MAY IMPACT THE DELIVERY AND BUT CERTAINLY, LIKE I SAID, GREAT FEEDBACK. WE WILL TRY TO SEE IF WE CAN GET CLOSER, IF YOU WILL, ON A GOOD RANGE. WELL, IT'S JUST GENERALLY. AND THEN THE LAST THING IS, IS JUST FOR MY CLARIFICATION, FUNDS ARE NOT TERMINATED. IN OTHER WORDS, WE'VE GOT THESE FUNDS. IF THEY DON'T GET USED RIGHT AWAY, THEY'RE STILL AVAILABLE FOR THE NEXT YEAR. IN MANY CASES, IN MOST CASES, THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, SORT OF DEADLINE SPECIFIC. AND IF THEY ARE, WE'RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY THOSE FUNDS AND USE THEM UP. YEAH. THE GENERAL FUNDS, THEY'RE NOT MULTI-YEAR. SO THEY HAVE TO BE USED IN THE FISCAL YEAR, THE BOND FUNDS. RIGHT. THEY IF FOR SOME REASON WE NEED TO POSTPONE THE BOND FUNDS DON'T HAVE THE SAME RESTRICTIONS. AND IF WE HAVE BRIDGE FUNDS AND SPECIAL USE FUNDS, WE CAN USE THOSE IN A MULTI-YEAR SITUATION. CORRECT THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION. I THINK YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION INDIRECTLY, BUT I WAS. AT WHAT POINT DO THESE? BECAUSE THIS IS A GREAT LIST. AND AT WHAT POINT DO THESE ROLL OFF? LIKE I SEE A BUNCH OF THEM THAT HAVE 100% COMPLETE IS THE ASSUMPTION THAT WHEN YOU BRING BACK THE NEXT REPORT, I THINK YOU SAID MOVING FORWARD, I THINK WE'LL HAVE A LIST OF UPCOMING PROJECTS AND HERE'S WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR. SO WE'LL KIND OF KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? YEAH. SO EXCELLENT QUESTION. SO HERE'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AGAIN. I MEAN, AS WE IMPROVE ON THE PROCESS THIS IS WHAT WE SAID FROM THE BEGINNING IS THAT WHEN WE DO THE WORK PLAN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, ANY CHANGE WE'RE NOT DELETING. I AM STRIKING OUT THE PROJECT AND PUTTING A REASON WHY THE PROJECT IS BEING STRICKEN OUT AND WHAT HAS, AND THEN ANY NEW PROJECT THAT HAS MOVED IN ITS PLACE. WE'RE CLEARLY IDENTIFYING IT SO WE HAVE A CLEAR PICTURE IN MAINTAINING THE BASELINE. AND THEREFORE, LIKE IF WE SAY THAT THIS PROJECT CANNOT MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE LET'S SAY THERE IS A UTILITY WORK IN THAT AREA, AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT IN NEW PAVEMENT UNTIL THE UTILITY IS DONE. WE'LL NOTE IT AND WE'LL MOVE IT OUT INTO THE FISCAL INTO THE OTHER FISCAL YEAR. OKAY. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE ON THIS REPORT AS WELL. YES, SIR. IT IS CURRENTLY ON THE REPORT. HOWEVER, WE'RE CONTINUING ON. I APPRECIATE STAFF AS WE CONTINUE TO IMPROVE AND BUILD ON THE QUALITY OF THE REPORTING. AND AT SOME POINT, LIKE I SAID, I MY VISION IS TO HAVE IT ON SOME SORT OF A DATABASE IN OUR, ON OUR WEBSITE SO THAT YOU CAN GO IN AND JUST QUICKLY LOOK FOR STUFF. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU, MR. DOCTOR KHANKARLI. I'M LOOKING AT MY REPORT AND I IN WHAT YOU DID. AND LET ME MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT. ON THE YEAR THAT THE WORK IS SO SO IF IT'S ON GENERAL FUNDS, IF IT'S IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ACCOMPLISHED FOR WHATEVER REASON, IT'LL HAVE TO GO INTO THE NEXT YEAR'S FUNDING. IS THAT CORRECT? GENERALLY SPEAKING, YES. UNLESS LIKE I SAID. SO FOR EXAMPLE, I HAVE A SITUATION NOW ON HILLCREST ROAD. I REALLY NEED TO DO THAT ROADWAY. HOWEVER, I'VE GOT DALLAS WATER UTILITIES NEEDS TO DO SOME WORK THERE SO IT IS IMPACTING THE SCHEDULE. AND THEN THE SAME THING GOES IN SOME OF THE PROJECTS IN YOUR DISTRICT ALSO. SO THE IDEA IS NOT TO DELAY IT, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO DELAY IT TO CAPTURE IT ON THE NEXT CYCLE. OKAY. SO AND THEN WHEN IT'S ON THE BOND, IT'LL JUST BE MOVED OVER TO WHEN IT. SO IF IT'S GOT DWU IMPACTS, IT'LL WAIT UNTIL AFTER DWU OR WHEN DWU IS COMPLETING THEIR WORK. THEY THEN YOU'LL GO IN AND DO THE WORK ON TOP OF IT. SO THERE'S SOME COORDINATION EFFORTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE DONE? YES, MA'AM. AND NOT ONLY, AGAIN, TO BE FAIR, I MEAN, SARAH AND HER TEAM ON DWU THAT HAVE BEEN I MEAN, WE WORKED IN UNISON. SOMETIMES WE HAVE EXTERNAL PARTNERS LIKE ATMOS AND OR ONCOR. SO WHAT WE'RE MAKING SURE IS WE'RE TRYING, ESPECIALLY ON ROADWAYS, WHERE I'M COMPLETELY REMOVING THE PAVEMENT AND PUTTING IN NEW PAVEMENT IS ON WHERE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE COORDINATING WITH OUR PARTNERING ORGANIZATIONS SO THAT WE DON'T PUT IN A NEW PAVEMENT AND THEN END UP HAVE TO RIP OUT BRAND NEW PAVEMENT. SO IF WE HAVE TO DO A TEMPORARY PAVEMENT, HOW LONG WILL IT? SO IF, IF A UTILITY OR SOME OTHER ENTITY IS DOING WORK AND YOU'RE NOT, AND THE COORDINATION DOES [00:15:04] NOT SEEM TO OCCUR WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING IN THE SAME TYPE, IF IT'S CALLING FOR RECONSTRUCTION OR RESURFACING AND THEY JUST PUT IN A PATCH, DO YOU HOW LONG IS IT? WILL IT TAKE FOR YOU TO TAKE, REMOVE OR FOR SOMEONE TO COME AFTER THAT PATCH AND DO THE ACTUAL RECONSTRUCTION OR WHATEVER IS NEEDED TO MAKE IT WHOLE? HOW LONG OF A WAIT WOULD IT TAKE? WELL, AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON THE NATURE OF THE WORK THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW, IF YOU DRIVE ON MOCKINGBIRD IN THE AREA JUST EAST OF 35, YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME POTHOLES IN THE CONCRETE PAVING. AND THEY WERE LOOKING FOR SERVICE CONNECTIONS IN THOSE AREAS. SO IT HAS BEEN THE TEMPORARY PATCH HAS BEEN THERE FOR LIKE TWO MONTHS. BUT WE EXPECT THEM THAT THEY, ONCE THEY'RE DONE TO COME BACK, COMPLETELY REMOVE IT AND PUT IT, PUT A NEW ONE IN. SO DEPENDING ON WHAT THE TYPE OF WORK THAT THEY NEED GET DONE. AND, AND I KNOW THAT WHEN I HAVE MY. THANK YOU FOR THAT ANSWER. I KNOW WHEN I HAVE MY MONTHLY MEETINGS WITH, WITH STAFF, WE GO OVER ALL OF THE, THE WORK THAT'S THE TPW WORK THAT'S BEING DONE. AND WE DO HAVE WHERE IT IS IN THE PROCESS, WILL WE IT. WILL WE BE ABLE TO LIKE, TOGGLE BACK AND FORTH FROM THAT REPORT TO THIS REPORT IF WE WANT TO HAVE GREATER DETAIL? SO IF I LOOK AT ONE OF THESE STREETS, ARE ALL THOSE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF REPORTING? YEAH SO AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WHAT SOPHIA IS MENTIONING IS THAT SOME OF THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE REPORT ARE BOND RELATED PROJECTS THAT ARE COMPLETE RECONSTRUCTION AND SO ON. SO SOMETIMES THERE MAY BE A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE DOING A TEMPORARY REPAIR TILL WE GET THERE. SO ARE YOU. SO CAN I? I JUST WANT TO ADD SOMETHING. SO COUNCIL MEMBER BLAIR THE MEETINGS THAT YOU HAVE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE MEETINGS ARE GENERALLY FOCUSED ON THE BOND FUNDED PROJECTS. AND SO THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN EXHIBIT A WE DON'T ALWAYS COVER THOSE. THOSE ARE THE GENERAL FUND FUNDED PROJECTS. AND SO HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH YOU ABOUT MAYBE ADDING SOME OF THIS DISCUSSION INTO THOSE OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE MEETINGS. AND THEN THE OTHER THING I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT IN TERMS OF THE LAYOUT OF THE REPORT IS THIS REPORT IS ORGANIZED BY COUNCIL DISTRICT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU START AT THE VERY TOP FOR EXHIBIT A, YOU SEE COUNCIL DISTRICT 1 GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO COUNCIL DISTRICT 14. AND SO IT'S ORGANIZED IN A WAY THAT YOU CAN FROM THE REPORT, SOMEWHAT ISOLATE THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN YOUR DISTRICT. WELL, I'M LOOKING AT EXHIBIT B, WHICH IS 2024 BOND. CORRECT. AND FROM WHAT YOU'RE JUST SAYING, THE REPORTS THAT I LOOK AT ON A MONTHLY BASIS HAVE OUR BOND. EXACTLY BETWEEN THESE TWO. THOSE TWO REPORTS THE MEETING THAT YOU HAVE MONTHLY AS WELL AS THIS OTHER THAN THE TIMING BECAUSE THIS ONE IS CUT OFF AS OF JUNE 30TH. AND SO DEPENDING ON WHERE WE ARE IN OUR DISCUSSIONS IN THE MONTHLY MEETINGS, YOU MAY HAVE SOMETHING SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO DOCTOR KHANKARLI SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BRIDGE REPAIR ITEM. YOU HAVE BUDGETED FOR THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR $4.4 MILLION WITH PLANNED 14 BRIDGE REPAIRS. TO DATE 12 HAVE BEEN COMPLETED WITH FOUR BEING PLANNED. SO HOW DO YOU BUDGET FOR THE UNPLANNED ONES? SO WE UNFORTUNATELY HAVE TO. LET ME LET ME BACK UP. ALL OF OUR BRIDGES ARE INSPECTED AT LEAST EVERY TWO YEARS. SO WE GENERALLY HAVE AN IDEA ON WHERE THE CONDITION OF THE BRIDGES AND WHICH ONES NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED AND ADDRESSED. NOW THE ONES THAT DO COME UP ARE EMERGENCY IN NATURE. LET'S SAY SOMEBODY A TRUCK HITS ONE OF OUR BRIDGES AND DAMAGES THE BEAM. SO THEN THAT WOULD BE ONE THAT WE HAVE TO ALLOCATE ADDITIONAL MONEY TO IT. SO I ALWAYS KIND OF KEEP A LITTLE BIT OF IN THE RESERVE AND TRY TO MANAGE THE FUNDING AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE END OF THE YEAR. [00:20:07] SO THAT AND THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. SO THAT BASICALLY, JUST IN CASE WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT DO COME UP AND AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR, IF SOMETHING DOESN'T COME UP, THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND FINISH WHATEVER THAT WE NEEDED TO FINISH. SO YOU ONLY PLANNED FOR FOUR BRIDGE PROJECTS THIS YEAR? HOW DID HOW DO YOU COME UP WITH THE FUNDS FOR THE EMERGENCY REPAIRS? OR DO YOU JUST LEAVE ROOM IN YOUR BUDGET FOR THE EXPECTATION THAT YOU WILL HAVE SOME UNEXPECTED EMERGENCY BRIDGE REPAIRS? SO AGAIN, BECAUSE OF BRIDGES DO GET INSPECTED EVERY TWO YEARS. SOME OF THEM ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY, THEY SHOW UP. THERE WOULD BE, FOR EXAMPLE, IS, HEY, YOU NEED TO WORK ON THIS, RIGHT? SO WE CAN PROGRAM IT. HOWEVER, WHEN THE NEW INSPECTION REPORT COMES BACK AND SAYS, YOU NEED TO DO AN IMMEDIATE ACTION ON IT. AND THAT'S WHEN THOSE WE HAVE TO MOVE THEM BACK INTO THE MAINTENANCE. YOU KNOW, GOOD EXAMPLE IS IF YOU HAD A GOOD YOU KNOW, FLOOD CONDITIONS AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE BRIDGE THAT WAS OKAY. NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN NEEDS TO BE SHUT DOWN AND WORKED ON. AND WE'VE HAD THOSE HILLCREST NORTH OF 635 WAS ONE OF THEM. [INAUDIBLE] BRIDGE IN DISTRICT 3 WAS ANOTHER ONE OF THEM. SO WE DO HAVE THOSE SITUATIONS THAT DO COME UP. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU, DOCTOR KHANKARLI, FOR THAT THOROUGH MEMO AND RESPONSES TO QUESTIONS. NEXT IS ITEM B, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROJECT UPDATES. ONCE AGAIN DOCTOR KHANKARLI. ALL RIGHT. I'VE GOT MY STAFF HERE TODAY, SO I'M LUCKY. SO I'VE GOT OUR INTERIM ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OVER INTERAGENCY KATE WHO WILL TALK ABOUT THAT PTI. GOOD AFTERNOON. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? OKAY. YES. SO THIS IS A SHORT MEMO. AS IS NOTED IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH, WE'VE PROVIDED THESE UPDATES BASICALLY ON A QUARTERLY BASIS SINCE FEBRUARY 2025 WITH UPDATES ON THESE. THESE WERE THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT FUNDS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM DART, COLLOQUIALLY KNOWN AS THE EXCESS SALES TAX PROJECTS. AND SO THERE WERE NINE PROJECTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED ORIGINALLY. THREE OF THEM ARE UNDER DART'S IMPLEMENTATION, AND THE OTHER SIX ARE CITY LED PROJECTS. WE HAD $80 MILLION TO SPEND, AND I THINK WE'RE REALLY PROUD TO SAY THAT OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SPEND VERY CLOSE TO THAT FULL $80 MILLION WITH, YOU KNOW, NO MEANINGFUL ADDITIONS IN STAFF. AND SO WE FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH SO FAR. WE HAVE ABOUT $1.3 MILLION LEFT TO ENCUMBER AND SPEND BEFORE THE FUNDS HAVE TO BE FULLY, IT'S A REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAM, SO THE FUNDS HAVE TO BE FULLY SPENT AND WE HAVE TO REQUEST THE REIMBURSEMENT FROM DART BEFORE APRIL OF 2027. BUT WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE. WE FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN GET THERE. ONE OF THE PROJECTS IS COMPLETED ENTIRELY. THAT'S THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT ON DART ROUTES. PROJECT 9. AND THEN THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHERS THAT WERE JUST KIND OF IN THE FINAL STAGES OF DELIVERING. WE'VE GOT CONTRACTS IN PLACE AND WE'VE JUST GOT VENDORS THAT ARE FINISHING THEIR WORK, AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL START WITH VICE CHAIR ROTH. THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION ON THE STREETCAR FEASIBILITY STUDY. WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THAT NUMBER SEVEN? WELL, I'LL LET GUS GO INTO THE STATUS OF THE OVERALL STUDY. THE FUNDS ARE FULLY ENCUMBERED AND WE'RE KIND OF IN THE FINAL STAGES. YES. SO THIS IS AN ITEM THAT WE WILL BE BRINGING TO COMMITTEE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION AT LEAST CURRENTLY PLANNED FOR THE OCTOBER COMMITTEE MEETING. SO ARE THEY. THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH GETTING IT FINISHED. I MEAN, IT'S JUST ABOUT READY TO PRESENT THEN? SO. YES, SIR. SO THE CONSULTANT HAVE THE DRAFT COMPLETED AND WE'RE READY TO BASICALLY AT THIS POINT, I FORESEE THAT WHEN WE COME BACK IN THE OCTOBER TIME FRAME FOR THE RECOMMENDATION, THAT WILL BE THE SUMMARY OF WHAT THE FINDINGS AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE STEPS THAT WE CAN TAKE TO START THE PATH OF MINIMIZING THE IMPACT OF THE GENERAL FUNDS FOR THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF THE STREETCAR. AND THEN THE NUMBER ONE, REGARDING THE STREETCAR MAINTENANCE AND PROFESSIONAL, THAT'S A JOINT PROJECT WITH DART AND RTC ALSO, I THINK HAS SOME FUNDS FOR THAT. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S PART OF A SORT OF AN ILA WITH THEM. I'M SORRY. REPEAT THE QUESTION FOR ME. NUMBER ONE, THE THAT. [00:25:03] THAT'S A THAT'S ONE OF THE JOINT PROJECTS. SO THERE'S FUNDS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO BE ALLOCATED OR, OR RECEIVED FROM OTHER GROUPS TO HELP FUND THAT THOSE THREE THAT $3 MILLION? YEAH. SO SURE. SO THE FIRST ITEM IS PRIMARILY THE CAPITAL MAINTENANCE ON THE STREETCAR. SO INSTEAD OF US GETTING THE MONEY AND THEN SENDING IT BACK, WE KEPT IT LIKE A, AN ACCOUNT. AND WE DRAW FROM IT BASED ON THE CAPITAL MAINTENANCE, WHICH IS BASICALLY LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE HAVE TO REPLACE THE HVAC ON THE EQUIPMENT OR THE BRAKING SYSTEM AND SO ON. APPRECIATE IT. AND I'LL NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT THE STREETCAR UPDATE IS ON OUR FORECAST FOR THE OCTOBER 19TH COMMITTEE MEETING. COUNCILWOMAN CADENA. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION. SO HOW MANY BIKE LANE SWEEPERS DO WE OWN CURRENTLY? WE GOT THREE. THREE? OH THAT'S GOOD. BECAUSE I REMEMBER AT A TIME WHEN WE MAYBE DIDN'T HAVE THAT MANY AND WE WERE HAVING DIFFICULTY KEEPING UP. SO I'M GLAD TO KNOW WE'VE ADDED TO THAT. AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS FOR THE BARRIER FREE RAMPS AND SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS. IS THERE A LIST OF WHICH COUNCIL DISTRICTS OR LOCATIONS RECEIVE THOSE UPGRADES? YES. WE HAVE A LIST OF ALL OF THE SPECIFIC LOCATIONS WHERE WE WERE DOING BARRIER FREE RAMP PROJECTS AS PART OF THIS FUNDS. I CAN PROVIDE THAT TO YOUR OFFICE IF YOU'D LIKE. YEAH. AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE THE BIKE LANE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL WHERE THOSE LOCATIONS ARE. CAN DO. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. COUNCILWOMAN MENDELSOHN. THANK YOU. WELL, GOOD JOB EXPENDING THE FUNDS. WERE THERE ANY PROJECTS THAT WERE PROPOSED THAT DART REFUSED TO FUND? NOT THAT I RECALL. OKAY. AND SO BECAUSE YOU USE THE FUNDS FOR THE STREETCAR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS, DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE WOULD ADD $3.25 MILLION TO NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET TO ADDRESS STREETCAR? SO IF THE QUESTION IS ABOUT THE NUMBER ONE ITEM, ITEM NUMBER ONE FOR THE $3 MILLION, THIS IS JUST A LIKE MONEY THAT IS SITTING THERE FOR CAPITAL. THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE FROM THE GENERAL FUNDS IS THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE. SO INSTEAD OF COMING TO COUNCIL AND SAY, HEY, BY THE WAY, I NEED LIKE A MILLION OR TWO TO FIX THE BRAKING SYSTEM OR SOMETHING, AT LEAST WE'VE GOT, WE ALLOCATED. YES. AND YOU DON'T EXPECT THEM TO BE EXPENDED. YOU DON'T HAVE A CERTAIN PROJECT IN MIND. IT'S JUST TO HOLD IT. SO THEY'VE ALREADY SPENT SOME OF THAT MONEY ON. I THINK THEY UPDATED THE HVAC AND THE BRAKING SYSTEM. AND I HEARD YOU SAY THAT PART. BUT SO BUT DID THAT INCLUDE THE WHOLE $3 MILLION? NO, NOT ALL OF IT. SO WE STILL HAVE SOME BALANCE. AND SO IF THAT BALANCE IS RETAINED PASSES AT APRIL YOU SAID. CORRECT. NO. DART HAS RETAINED THE FUNDS BECAUSE THEY'RE IMPLEMENTING THOSE. SO IF I THINK IF WE GO BEYOND APRIL, THAT FUNDING WILL STILL BE AVAILABLE. THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE TO BE DOING REIMBURSEMENTS FOR THE PROJECTS WE ARE IMPLEMENTING PAST APRIL. SO DO WE HAVE THAT IN WRITING THAT THOSE DOLLARS WOULD BE RETAINED FOR THOSE EXPENSES? WE REQUEST THAT IN WRITING. OKAY THANK YOU. THAT IS ALL MY QUESTIONS ON THAT. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN BLACKMON. THANK YOU. KIND OF GOING ALONG WHAT MISS CADENA WAS SAYING LIKE ON THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND MARKINGS PROGRAM. IS THERE A PROJECT LIST? BECAUSE, I MEAN, I WENT AND CLICKED ON THE BLUES AND, AND SO IF WE COULD JUST GET A LIST. SO WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROGRAM, WE PROPOSED THE LIST. IT WAS, I CAN'T REMEMBER ON WHICH COMMITTEE PRESENTATION IT WAS, BUT I KNOW THAT IT WAS LISTED ALL THAT. SO WE WILL UPDATE THE LIST. YEAH. YOU KNOW. YES. AND JUST SO THAT WAY WE KNOW WHAT, WHAT IS WHAT. AND THIS IS MY FIRST YEAR ON TRANSPORTATION. SO IF IT CAME TO HERE, MAYBE I WASN'T AROUND. OKAY. AND THEN YOU SAID THAT NUMBER NINE WAS COMPLETED AT $1.4 MILLION, BUT YOU HAD $10 MILLION KIND OF SITTING THERE ASIDE, WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT EXCESS? DID I? SO THERE'S, WE HAVE, WE HAVE 1.3 REMAINING OVERALL WITHIN ALL OF THE PROJECTS, THE SIDEWALK PROJECTS, [00:30:04] WE HAD $10 MILLION BUDGETED AND WE'VE SPENT $9,999,000. YES. NO. THAT'S CORRECT. SO WE'VE SPENT $9,999,000 ON THAT SIDEWALK PROJECT. SO WE JUST HAVE $470 REMAINING. IS ALL THAT HASN'T BEEN SPENT AT THE BUDGETED AMOUNT. SO IS THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS IN THIS? BECAUSE WHEN I'M READING IT, IT MAKES IT SOUND LIKE YOU'VE ONLY SPENT 1.4 OF THE $10 MILLION, BUT MAYBE I'M READING IT WRONG. OH, I'M SORRY THEN IF I. NO WE HAVE 1.4 REMAINING THAT NEEDS TO BE ENCUMBERED. THAT HAS NOT BEEN OBLIGATED TO A PROJECT. SO IS THAT ON ALL OF THESE PROJECTS WHERE IT SAYS LIKE THERE'S $995,000, IT'S REALLY, THAT'S ALL THAT'S REMAINING, NOT THAT IT'S BEEN EXPENDED? THE $9 MILLION IS WHAT HAS BEEN SPENT ON THAT PROJECT. I'M TALKING ABOUT. I'M JUST PULLING ONE OUT. I'M NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING YOUR HEADING VERSUS WHAT YOUR TERMINOLOGY IS. OKAY. OR DO YOU HAVE? I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR [LAUGHTER]. THE APPROVED FUNDING BY PROGRAM IS ON THAT COLUMN CALLED APPROVED FUNDING AMOUNT. OKAY. AND THIS IS THE BUDGET FOR EACH LINE ITEM IN THERE. AND IT WAS FOR A TOTAL OF $80 MILLION TOTAL. OKAY. THEN WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE HAVE ENCUMBERED AND TOTAL COMMITMENTS ENCUMBRANCE AND THEN WE HAVE SPENT ALREADY TOTAL EXPENDED IS $88.14 MILLION. 68. AND THEN WHEN YOU ADD THEM UP, SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE IS OUT OF THE $80 MILLION, WHAT REMAINS AVAILABLE THAT IS STILL NOT ENCUMBERED YET IS $1.3 MILLION. AND THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE TO REALLOCATE THAT THOSE FUNDS BEFORE THE AND USE THEM BEFORE APRIL. MAYBE. I MEAN, I DON'T SEE A $1.3 MILLION ON THIS SPREADSHEET. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M LOOKING AT THE RIGHT ONE. AND SO I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU'RE NOT TELLING A COMPLETE STORY ON YOUR DOCUMENT BECAUSE WHAT I'M READING, I DON'T KNOW WHERE. OKAY. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE $1.3 MILLION ON THE SIDEWALK OR THAT IS THAT OVERALL? IT'S OVERALL OKAY BECAUSE I AM NOT REALLY AND MAYBE WE CAN GET TOGETHER AND YOU CAN EXPLAIN IT. OKAY. BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS NOT NECESSARILY HOW I'M INTERPRETING THIS AND BECAUSE IT'S SHOWING TO ME, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU STILL HAVE $16 MILLION IF YOU LOOKED AT THE BOTTOM, BECAUSE IF YOU GO THAT YOU'VE SPENT ONLY $16 MILLION OF FUNDS EXPENDED AS OF JANUARY 31ST, 25. SO IT NEEDS SOME MORE, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE I'M LOOKING AT THE WRONG ONE. I THINK WE MAY HAVE A. YOU MAY HAVE A PREVIOUS SPREADSHEET FROM ONE OF THE PREVIOUS UPDATES. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT. 25. JANUARY 31 25. I THINK THAT WAS. SO WE BRIEFED COMMITTEE IN FEBRUARY 2025, DECEMBER 25TH AND MAY OF 26. AND I HAD THOSE SPREADSHEETS LINKED IN THE MEMO. AND SO I THINK MAYBE. THE CURRENT SPREADSHEET THAT SHOWS EXPENDITURES. OKAY. AS OF AUGUST. THANK YOU. APOLOGIES. OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN BLAIR. THANK YOU. THE ONLY THING I THINK BECAUSE MY COLLEAGUES ANSWERED ASKED MOST OF MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH. IS THE ONLY THING I WANT IS A SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT THAT YOU ONLY HAVE THE $400 LEFT. CAN YOU GIVE ME A LIST OF BY COUNCIL DISTRICT WHERE THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE? AND DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA IF WE'LL GET MORE FUNDS FROM DART TO DO ADDITIONAL WORK? WE CAN PROVIDE A LIST OF ALL OF THE SPECIFICALLY APPROVED LOCATIONS FOR ALL OF THESE PROJECTS. I THINK THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL REQUESTS FOR THAT. AND THEN SO THE PTI PROGRAM IS CONCLUDING ALL OF THESE FUNDS HAVE TO BE SPENT SO WE DON'T EXPECT ANY NEW FUNDING FROM THAT PROGRAM. BUT DART NOW HAS THE GENERAL MOBILITY PROGRAM. AND SO WE'VE REQUESTED OUR FIRST ANNUAL LIST OF PROJECTS FOR THAT AND HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR THOSE. SO WE'LL COME BACK TO COMMITTEE AND BRIEF YOU ON THAT PROGRAM IN THE NEAR FUTURE. AND SO I THINK FOR THOSE, WE ANTICIPATE FUNDING ADDITIONAL SIDEWALK PROJECTS THROUGH THE DART GENERAL MOBILITY PROGRAM. OKAY THANK YOU. OKAY. WELL, I TOO WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT THE GMP. WE SUBMITTED A LIST OF PROJECTS FOR THAT IN MAY OR JUNE. [00:35:01] HAS DART APPROVED ALL OF THOSE? YES THEY HAVE. GREAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR BRIEFING TODAY. NEXT ITEM IS ITEM C. DISCUSSION TO AMEND CITY CODE SECTION 43.22 ABOUT MARKING SIDEWALKS. DOCTOR KHANKARLI THIS IS YOURS TOO. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT. WELL CAN YOU GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND OF WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA? SO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WAS A INTEREST IF YOU WILL, FOR POTENTIAL ARTWORK TO BE PLACED ON SIDEWALKS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. SO BACK IN I BELIEVE IN ON MARCH 20TH, 2026 THERE WAS A MEMO TO COUNCIL THAT WAS BASICALLY RELATED TO HAVING NUMBER ONE TO COMPLY WITH THE STATE AND FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS REGARDING PAVEMENT MARKINGS AND SO ON ROADWAYS, CROSSWALKS, AND THE LIKES. AND NUMBER TWO, IN THAT MEMO, THERE WAS A PROVISION STATING THAT IN WORKING WITH THE OFFICE OF ARTS AND CULTURE, SHOULD COUNCIL CHOOSES TO HAVE OR SHOULD THE OFFICE OF ARTS AND CULTURE RECOMMENDS FOR COUNCIL AND COUNCIL SHOULD YOU KNOW, CHOOSES TO HAVE A AN ART PROGRAM OF SOME SORT THEN YOU KNOW, THEN WE AT THE CITY WILL HAVE A PROGRAM TO COMPLY WITH. THUS THIS MEMO TO SAY THAT SHOULD THERE BE A CITY PROGRAM THAT IS ADOPTED, THEN THE CONSIDERATION COULD BE FOR THE DIRECTOR TO APPROVE THE TYPE OF ART THAT WILL BE PLACED IN ACCORDANCE WITH A PROGRAM THAT WILL BE APPROVED. THE POINT BEING HERE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE FULL COMPLIANCE WITH WHATEVER COUNCIL IS APPROVING, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION. OTHERWISE, THE APPROVAL IS PREDETERMINED, IF YOU WILL, ON THE PAVEMENT MARKINGS ON THE ROADWAY. SO IN OTHER WORDS CURRENTLY SECTION 43.22 OF CITY CODE PROVIDES THAT NO MARKINGS OF ANY KIND ARE ALLOWED ON SIDEWALKS WITHOUT EXCEPTION. AND THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE IN MY DISTRICT ALONG THE CEDAR SPRINGS CORRIDOR, WHERE THE RAINBOW CROSSWALKS WERE ELIMINATED UNDER STATE MANDATE. AND THEY HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES TO IDENTIFY THE DISTRICT AND PROVIDE SOME LOCAL CONTENT WITHOUT DOING SO IN THE STREET RIGHT OF WAY. AND SO ONE OF THE AREAS THAT THEY'VE LOOKED AT IS SIDEWALKS. AND THEY HAVE PROPOSED LEE DAUGHERTY, IN PARTICULAR, OF THE CEDAR SPRINGS MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION, HAS PROPOSED A MINOR AMENDMENT TO 43.22 GIVING THE TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR THE ABILITY TO GRANT A PERMIT TO ALLOW MARKING OR SIGNAGE ON THE SIDEWALKS. HAVE YOU FORMULATED A POSITION ON THAT, OR DO YOU WISH TO DISCUSS THE PROS AND CONS OF THAT? AGAIN, I'M GOING BACK TO THE MEMO OF MARCH 20TH, 2026, WHEREBY THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO HAVE SOME SORT OF A PROGRAM THAT IS DISCUSSED WITH THE OFFICE OF ARTS AND CULTURE. AT THIS POINT, I DO NOT RECOMMEND THAT THE DIRECTOR BE GIVEN THE AUTHORITY TO WAIVE AND OR APPROVE PROGRAMS OUTSIDE THE CONTEXT OF WHAT COUNCIL WOULD APPROVE AS A POLICY BODY. WHY IS THAT? BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT THE AN ADMINISTRATIVE PERSON IN A POSITION OF HAVING TO DECIDE ON WHO AND WHAT TO BE AUTHORIZED ON THE CITY'S PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY WITHOUT HAVING A, SOME SORT OF A POLICY THAT THE GOVERNING BODY APPROVES. AND SO THE POLICY THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO WOULD BE CRITERIA THAT WOULD GUIDE THE DISCRETION OF THE TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR AS TO WHAT PERMITS CAN BE ALLOWED AND APPROVED, OR WHICH ONES CANNOT BE. IS THAT A SYNOPSIS OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? [00:40:06] AGAIN? I MEAN, JUST NOT ONLY THE CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH IS ALSO A PROGRAM. WHAT UNDER WHAT PROGRAM? THE DIRECTOR IS TO, TO GENERATE A CRITERIA AND TO APPROVE SUCH PLACEMENTS. AND THAT IS, LIKE I SAID, IT'S CONCERNING WHEN THAT TYPE OF APPROVAL IS IN THE HANDS OF A DIRECTOR WITHOUT SOME SORT OF A POLICY FROM THE BODY. SO WHAT KIND OF PROGRAM DO YOU ENVISION THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE? I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE. LET'S SAY IF THE COUNCIL OR THE POLICY BODY HAS A PROGRAM FOR PUTTING IN LIKE STARS ON YOU KNOW, ON SIDEWALKS SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY HAVE IN HOLLYWOOD. RIGHT? SO THEN IN THIS CASE, THEN THE DIRECTOR'S POSITION WOULD BE, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MATERIAL THAT IS BEING USED IS NON-SLIPPERY MATERIAL ON THE SIDEWALK SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T SLIP ON THE SIDEWALK. SO THAT WOULD BE THE ROLE OF THE DIRECTOR IN THAT CASE. HOWEVER, AS A PROGRAM, IT WOULD BE THE POLICY BODY THAT SAYS, YEAH, I, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THIS PROGRAM AND THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO DO. BUT IN MY OPINION, IT CANNOT BE THE DIRECTOR WHO'S TRYING TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT WHAT THAT PROGRAM SHOULD BE. WELL, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF CRITERIA HERE. ONE IS, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE WITH THE PROPOSED COATING OR PAINTING? WHICH IT SEEMS TO ME THE TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR WOULD BE UNIQUELY QUALIFIED TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. THE OTHER TYPE OF CRITERIA WOULD BE THE CONTENT. AND IS THAT THE PART THAT YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH OVERSEEING, OR IS IT THE TYPE OF COATING? NO. THE CONTENT PRIMARILY IS THE MAIN AREA THAT IS VERY CONCERNING. OKAY. AND IS THAT JUST OUT OF A GENERAL CONCERN THAT AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL WOULD BE HAVING THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR DETERMINING WHETHER THE. THE PROPOSED CONTENT OF THE PAVEMENT MARKINGS COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S CRITERIA? AGAIN, I MEAN, IT HAS TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH SOME SORT OF A. WHATEVER THE CITY THE GOVERNING BODY WOULD LIKE US TO DO. LET ME POINT OUT ONE THING IS THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ORGANIZATIONS AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF MARKINGS THAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE. AND AGAIN, IT CANNOT BE A SITUATION WHERE THE DIRECTOR IS HAVING TO MAKE OR AN ADMINISTRATIVE PERSON HAVING TO MAKE SUCH A DECISIONS. OKAY. CHAIR, CHAIR, IF I COULD JUST ADD. YES. TO WHAT DOCTOR KHANKARLI IS TALKING ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE OUR COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO EXPRESS THEIR UNIQUE NEIGHBORHOOD IDENTITY. THIS IS THE REASON WHY IN MARCH WE, THE OFFICE OF ARTS AND CULTURE WAS BROUGHT IN TO KIND OF HOLD THESE PUBLIC COMMUNITY MEETINGS ABOUT YOU KNOW, AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY THE REMOVAL OF THE CROSSWALKS. AND SO I THINK THAT THERE, AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE ARE TWO IMPORTANT ASPECTS TO THIS. ONE IS OBVIOUSLY IN OUR ROADWAY RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH INCLUDES SIDEWALKS. WE CARE VERY DEEPLY ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND MAKING SURE THAT WHATEVER MATERIALS ARE USED ENHANCE THAT SAFETY. THE OTHER IS HOW DO WE WORK WITH COMMUNITIES TO EXPRESS THAT IDENTITY? AND IS THE ROADWAY RIGHT OF WAY YOU KNOW, AN APPROPRIATE PLACE TO DO THAT. AND SO I THINK THAT, THAT THIS IS PROBABLY A CONVERSATION THAT WE SHOULD HAVE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ARTS AND CULTURE TO TALK ABOUT. THAT SECOND ASPECT, I THINK DOCTOR KHANKARLI AND HIS TEAM IS, IS VERY WELL QUALIFIED TO HANDLE THE SAFETY ASPECTS OF THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM. AND ACM RASTOGI DO YOU ALSO SEE SOME LEGAL ISSUES INVOLVED IN WEIGHING APPLICATIONS FOR MESSAGING ON SIDEWALKS? YEAH, I THINK THAT ANY KIND OF PROGRAM LIKE THIS WOULD BE A FULL PROGRAM, THAT IT WOULD INVOLVE CERTAINLY POLICY AT THE GOVERNING BODY LEVEL, BUT ALSO WOULD INCLUDE YOU KNOW, THE LEGAL ASPECTS OF YOU KNOW, WHAT IS WITHIN PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. [00:45:02] OKAY. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR DOCTOR KHANKARLI? YES. MISS MENDELSOHN. THANK YOU. WELL, ACTUALLY IN DISTRICT 12, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT DOING STENCILING ON THE PRESTON RIDGE TRAIL. SO THIS IS ALREADY A CONVERSATION THAT'S ADVANCED QUITE FAR IN THE PARK SIDE. BUT IT HAS NOT BEEN LOST ON ME. SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE BROUGHT UP HERE. THE STENCILS WERE LOOKING AT USING ARE ALL UNIFORM CHILDHOOD STENCILS HOPSCOTCH. YOU KNOW, DINOSAUR ALPHABET, THAT SORT OF THING. BUT I COULD IMAGINE A SCENARIO WHERE SOMEBODY COULD PUT A SWASTIKA IN FRONT OF THEIR BUSINESS. AND THEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT THESE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. SO I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE A POLICY. SLIPPERY IS A REAL QUESTION. AT MY LAST NONPROFIT, WE DID A LOT OF STENCILING IN PLAYGROUNDS AND DEPENDING ON THE PAINT YOU USE, SOMETIMES IT WAS SLIPPERY AND THAT WAS INTENTIONAL. AND SOMETIMES IT WAS SANDED SO THAT IT WOULDN'T BE. AND AGAIN, IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE APPLICATION OF IT. AND SO I DO THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, THERMOPLASTIC WE COULD USE. AND SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD HOPE THAT AS A POLICY YOU WOULD THINK ABOUT IS THAT IF YOU TAKE A SQUARE OF A SIDEWALK, HOW MUCH OF IT WOULD BE PAINTED AND WHAT PARTS OF IT LIKE, MAYBE YOU WOULD JUST DO THE BORDER OF IT SO THAT THE BULK OF IT RETAINS THAT FINISH OF CONCRETE, AS OPPOSED TO PAINTING THE ENTIRE THING, WHICH DOES BECOME SLICK. AND EVEN THE SANDED PAINTS. I THINK AS TIME GOES ON, IT WEARS DOWN AND IT BECOMES THICK, SLICK. SO I DO THINK THE SLIPPERINESS OF IT IS IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT. AND SO I DO THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN LEND SOME ADVICE. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY'S AN ACTUAL ENGINEER WHO'S ON THIS. SO THAT THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT. BUT THE CONTENT OF THE MARKINGS IS ALSO IMPORTANT. WOULD WE ALLOW PEOPLE TO DO THIS ON THE SIDEWALKS IN FRONT OF THEIR HOMES? WOULD THIS ONLY BE FOR COMMERCIAL? WHAT ABOUT MULTIFAMILY? I MEAN, LIKE, I WOULD LIKE US TO HAVE THAT MORE ROBUST CONVERSATION. AND THEN THERE'S THE, YOU KNOW, WHO DECIDES WHAT'S APPROPRIATE? NOW, IT WAS NOT CONFRONTATIONAL OR PROBLEMATIC FOR DISTRICT 12 BECAUSE WE WERE LIMITING IT TO A VERY JUVENILE USE. YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE WHAT YOU'D FIND AT ANY KIND OF A DAYCARE. BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS AFFIRMING A NEIGHBORHOOD IDENTITY, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I HOPE YOU REMEMBER, I ENCOURAGE THESE CREATIVE WAYS TO DO THAT. AND THERE'S LOTS OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT PROBABLY NEED TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY. SO SIDEWALKS ARE JUST ONE. AND I HOPE WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT OTHERS. I LOVE THE IDEA OF PAINTING SIDEWALKS. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT PAINTING THE WHOLE THING. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY ON THAT PART. BUT I LOVE THE IDEA OF DOING SOME SORT OF BORDER. YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S LIKE 50% OF, OF THE, THE DESIGNATED PIECE, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT, HOW THAT'S WORKED. AND THEN HOW WE DEAL WITH THE MESSAGING OF IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF HATEFUL PEOPLE OUT THERE AND THIS IS MEANT TO BE INCLUSIVE AND TO BE WELCOMING. AND SO I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS. AND THEN THE LAST THING IS TO SAY MY CONCERN ALSO WITH HOW CLOSE THAT PAINT GETS TO A RAMP FOR A CURB CUT. AND SO PERHAPS THAT RAMP PART COULD BE PROTECTED FROM ANY KIND OF PAINT JUST TO AGAIN, MAKE SURE NAVIGATION IS A LITTLE BIT EASIER WHEN PEOPLE ARE ON A DECLINE, WHETHER THEY'RE ON WHEELS OR NOT. BUT THAT'S AGAIN, TECHNICAL CRITERIA THAT I THINK WE'RE HOPING YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE. BUT I, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR THIS WHEN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT WITH PARKS. WE'VE SORT OF SAID, LET DISTRICT 12 BE FIRST. WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THE STENCILS FROM OUR DESIGNATED FUNDS AND THEN MAKE THEM AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY. LIKE, WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO ADD SOME STENCILS AT SOME OF YOUR PARKS OR OTHER PLACES? AND THEY SHOULD JUST BE AVAILABLE FOR THE WHOLE CITY TO USE, WHETHER IT'S FOR A COMMUNITY, A COMMUNITY DAY TO PAINT THEM THEMSELVES. SERVICE GROUPS THAT COULD DO IT. BUT I CAN SEE THAT ONCE WE GET OUTSIDE OF STANDARD JUVENILE STENCILS INTO MORE IDENTITY ISSUES, THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE SOME THOUGHTFUL CONVERSATIONS SO THAT WE DON'T END UP IN A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT [00:50:10] IS DOING THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE WOULD WANT. AND I'M, I'M GOING TO JUST TELL YOU QUITE BOLDLY THAT IF SOMEBODY CAME AND PAINTED PALESTINIAN FLAGS IN MY DISTRICT, IT WOULD NOT BE WELCOME. AND IT WOULD BE AFFIRMING THEIR OWN INTEREST, RIGHT? SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO THAT, BUT THERE WILL BE OTHERS THAT WOULD BE HIGHLY OFFENDED. AND SO THAT'S A SCENARIO I WOULDN'T WANT US TO EVER GET INTO. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE AVOID IT, BUT I THINK IT TAKES A LOT OF THOUGHTFUL CONVERSATION SO THAT WE DON'T END UP IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE DIVIDING PEOPLE INSTEAD OF BRINGING THEM TOGETHER. AND SO I APPRECIATE YOU NOT SAYING, YEAH, I'LL TAKE CARE OF IT ALL, BECAUSE I DO THINK IT NEEDS SOME VERY CAREFUL CONSIDERATION. AND THERE ARE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. AND SO I DON'T WANT THAT DOOR TO BE OPEN SO WIDE THAT WE END UP WITH MORE PROBLEMS THAN WE NEED. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKMON. THANK YOU. SO, GUS, ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU WOULD PREFER THAT THERE'D BE SOME KIND OF. YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE THAT DECISION ON EVERY ITEM, BUT YOU WOULD RATHER HAVE SOME KIND OF GUIDING PRINCIPLES AROUND IT? OR ARE YOU SAYING ALL OF IT SHOULD COME TO COUNCIL AND YOU JUST IMPLEMENT? SO, AS MISS MENDELSOHN ARTICULATED JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO, IS THE FACT THAT IT'S THE CONTENT AND THE MESSAGING AND SO ON. AND THIS IS NOT AN ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTION, IN MY OPINION. I MEAN, THIS IS MORE OF THE PUBLIC BODY THAT WILL HAVE PUBLIC POLICY BODY THAT WILL HAVE TO KIND OF PUT SOME SORT OF A SAYING, HEY, I HAVE A PROGRAM FOR, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL KIDS IN. OR CHALK BASED KIND OF YOU KNOW, PAINTING ON THE PAVEMENT AND SO ON AND IT GOES AWAY. SO IN THOSE CASES, IN THOSE SITUATIONS, WE HAVE A PROGRAM AND OUR JOB HERE NOW BECOMES OF, AS MISS MENDELSOHN MENTIONED, IS TO VERIFY THE TECHNICAL ASPECT OF IT. DOES IT MEET THE. YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO GIVE YOU SOME DIRECTION. IT'S NOT EACH TIME, BUT IT'S LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE THIS OR THIS OR THESE THREE THINGS MUST BE FOLLOWED. CORRECT ON THE CONTENT OF HERE ARE THE GUIDELINES ON THE CONTENT, AND THEN WE CAN DEVELOP THE PROGRAM BASED ON THAT. OKAY, SO WE GIVE YOU GUIDANCE. WHAT IS THE TIMELINE? BECAUSE YOU ALL HAD MEETINGS BACK IN THE SPRING. YOU'VE COME TO THIS COMMITTEE. ARE YOU PLANNING TO WRITE ANYTIME ANYTHING SOON COMING OUT OF THAT, OR IS IT JUST TO UPDATE US NOW AND THEN HOPE THAT WE FORGET ABOUT IT? SO THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. SO OFFICE OF ARTS AND CULTURE IS THE ONE THAT, THAT DID THE INPUT AND HAS THAT INFORMATION. THEY, THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH DIFFERENT COMMUNITY GROUPS TO TO PROVIDE SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMUNITY IDENTITY, BUT THEY'VE STAYED OUTSIDE OF THE STREET RIGHT OF WAY. AND SO YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN SOME, SOME WORK AT THE OAK LAWN LIBRARY THE WHERE THERE'S BEEN SOME PARTICIPATION, BUT THEY HAVE NOT COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING CONTENT FOR WITHIN THE STREET RIGHT OF WAY. BUT ARE YOU ALL WORKING IS TRANSPORTATION AND ARTS AND CULTURE NOW ARE THEY ALL WORKING TOGETHER TO CREATE A MORE BROAD POLICY FRAMEWORK? I THINK THAT, THAT YOU KNOW, THAT IS THE INTENT. OKAY. WE HAVE NOT SAT DOWN WITH THEM TO DEVELOP THAT PROGRAM. AND I THINK THAT WE WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, THIS THIS PROVIDED US AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THAT INPUT FROM THIS TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE. VERSUS, YOU KNOW. YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING ARTS AND CULTURE DEVELOP THE PROGRAM ON THEIR OWN. NOW IT SAYS THAT NO PERSON SHALL DEFACE. AND DEFACE MEANS EVEN NICE THINGS ON IT. NOT JUST BAD THINGS, RIGHT? SO THEY CANNOT TOUCH IT IN ANY ASPECT? THAT IS CORRECT. SO WE DON'T DEFINE DEFACE ANYWHERE IN OUR ORDINANCE OF WHAT THAT MEANS, AND WE CAN ALTER THAT. YEAH. IF YOU WERE TO PUT A SMILEY FACE ON. BUT IF IT'S CHALK, THEN IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT'S NOT PERMANENT. IF GUS HAS APPROVED IT. IF GUS HAS APPROVED IT. OKAY. AND I MEAN, I BELIEVE IN IDENTITY. AND MISS MENDELSOHN'S RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THERE GETS TO BE A POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, TOO MUCH IS. IT'S NOT GOOD. AND THEN I UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION OF, YOU KNOW, IF. HOW IT COULD CAUSE HARM. BUT SOME OF OUR SIDEWALKS ACROSS OUR CITIES ARE PROBABLY IN WORSE SHAPE THAN [LAUGHTER] THAN SOMEBODY, [00:55:03] A NEW ONE WITH IT SLICK. I'M JUST BECAUSE I'M GETTING CALLS ALL THE TIME ABOUT THAT WITH ALL THE HEAT. SO I GUESS I THINK Y'ALL SHOULD KEEP WORKING THROUGH IT. I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE HARD. AND IT MAY BE THAT WE START OFF SMALL AS JUST THESE ARE THE APPROVED YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, APPROVED STENCILS OR APPROVED FRAMEWORK OF, OF ART. AND, BUT I DO ALSO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WHEN YOU LOOK AT A COMMUNITY AND THEY ALREADY HAVE PUBLIC ART IN THEIR RIGHT OF WAY, IT MAY BE A, AN EXTENSION OF THAT PUBLIC ART TOO. SO THAT WAY IT KIND OF CARRIES ON THAT SAME IDENTITY OF THE PUBLIC ART. SO I'D HOPE THAT BY THE END OF THE YEAR, Y'ALL COULD OR AT THE FIRST OF NEXT YEAR THAT WAY IN THE SPRINGTIME, THINGS CAN HAPPEN. BUT I DO THINK IT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP PUSHING BECAUSE I THINK MORE COMMUNITIES ARE GOING TO WANT THAT. AND IT MAY BE THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME TOUGH DECISIONS AROUND HERE, BUT YOU ALL NEED TO DO THE LEGWORK. SO I'M HOPING SOONER THAN LATER. I APPRECIATE THAT FEEDBACK. AND WE'LL CERTAINLY GET THE REST OF THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMITTEE AND TAKE THAT FORWARD. CHAIRMAN, CAN I JUST FOLLOW UP WITH MY COMMENT? SURE. THAT, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT IN FLOWERS, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S A CONTROVERSIAL ITEM. AND SO I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A WAY TO SPLIT IT BETWEEN WE GENERICALLY KNOW THIS IS NOT CONTROVERSIAL. THIS ONE MIGHT BE, BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT I WOULDN'T WANT THE COUNCIL TO BE APPROVING OR DISAPPROVING WHAT GOES IN A SPECIFIC DISTRICT. I WOULD HOPE THE COUNCIL WOULD BE APPROVING A GENERIC POLICY. AND MAYBE THAT POLICY SAYS, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SIGNATURES, KIND OF LIKE WE DO WITH THE SPEED BUMPS WITHIN A CERTAIN GEOGRAPHIC AREA BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE SENSITIVITIES OF ONE DISTRICT ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE SENSITIVITIES. AND WHILE I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND WHY MR. RIDLEY'S COMMUNITY IS THE FIRST TO ENGAGE IN THIS AND SUPPORTIVE OF THEIR EFFORTS MY CONCERN IS THAT THE POLICY WILL BE WRITTEN OR DRIVEN BY ONLY INPUT FROM THAT ONE COMMUNITY THAT WOULD THEN APPLY ACROSS THE CITY, AND THAT MAY BE PROBLEMATIC AND MAY NOT CONSIDER ALL ISSUES THAT ARE CITY WIDE IN ALL SCENARIOS BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO SOLVE FOR A SPECIFIC PROBLEM THERE. SO NOBODY'S TALKED TO ME ABOUT THIS. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW I CARE A LOT ABOUT THIS TOPIC. AND WE ARE ALREADY MOVING FORWARD ON THE TRAIL SIDE. AND I'M ASSUMING THE TRAIL SIDE IS PARKS AND THAT THEN FORD DOES NOT APPLY TO THIS ORDINANCE, RIGHT? YEAH. SO AGAIN, THAT'S JUST ANOTHER ITEM THOUGH, THAT PROBABLY THEY OUGHT TO HAVE SOME CORRELATION BETWEEN WHAT YOU CAN DO ON A TRAIL AND WHAT YOU CAN DO ON A SIDEWALK. I DON'T KNOW. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER CADENA. YES. SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT DOES A TEMPORARY MEAN WITH PUBLIC ART? IS THERE A PROPOSED TIMELINE ON WHAT THAT MEANS? I'M SORRY. WHERE IS THE? WELL, IN THE HEAD, ON THE SUBJECT LINE, IT SAYS TEMPORARY PUBLIC ART. AND THE REASON WHY I ASK IS BECAUSE IN THE PAST THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER CITY ORDINANCES AS TEMPORARY. AND THEN SOMETIMES IT GOES ON. AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING, I KNOW LIKE WITH THE SIGN TOPPERS THAT WE DO THERE IS A, YOU KNOW, A TIMELINE FOR WHEN THEY GO UP AND THEN WHEN THEY'RE POTENTIALLY REMOVED, RIGHT? SO JUST WONDERING IF THERE HAD BEEN ANY THOUGHT INTO THAT, OR IF IT WAS JUST BASED ON THE MATERIAL THAT WAS USED FOR THE, THE ARTWORK? YEAH. I MEAN, AGAIN, TO YOUR POINT IS SOMETIMES TEMPORARY END UP BEING PERMANENT OR VICE VERSA SO. YEAH. AT THIS POINT HERE, WE JUST PUT IT IN BASED ON THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE REQUEST. OKAY. AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE BECAUSE I REMEMBER WITH THE CROSSWALKS WHEN WE PUT THEM IN AND THEN WE HAD TO REINSTALL THEM BECAUSE THEY FADED AND WE FOUND OUT THAT THE MATERIAL THAT WAS ORIGINALLY USED WAS NOT THE CORRECT MATERIAL DEPENDING ON THE, THE ROADWAY. RIGHT? BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THEM WERE ASPHALT AND SOME WERE CONCRETE. AND SO YOU HAD TO USE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF MATERIAL. SO I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE YOUR INPUT ON WHAT IS THE BEST MATERIAL TO BE USED ON SIDEWALKS. SO THAT IT LOOKS GOOD AS WELL. YES MA'AM. I MEAN, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE AND SAFETY AND SO ON. YEAH. SO YOU KNOW, THAT THAT PART IS DEFINITELY IN OUR WHEELHOUSE AND, AND WE WILL HAVE JUST LIKE WE HAVE, [01:00:03] WE HAVE PRESENTED ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS ABOUT PAVEMENT MARKINGS AND THE MATERIALS AND THE AND THE SAFETY ASPECT OF IT. YEAH. AND THEN I GUESS MY, MY THIRD COMMENT WOULD BE, I MEAN, WE DO HAVE A GREAT PUBLIC ART CRITERIA ALREADY IN PLACE. I'VE GONE THROUGH IT MANY TIMES WITH PUBLIC ART IN MY PARKS, AND WE'VE ALWAYS HAD GREAT INPUT. MARTINE AND HER STAFF KNOW HOW TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW, THE OTHER, I GUESS IF WE WERE GOING TO GO THROUGH TRANSPORTATION, PERHAPS USING SOMETHING BASED OFF THE SIGN TOPPERS YOU KNOW, THERE IS A POLICY IN PLACE WITH THAT, BUT HAVING PERSONALLY GONE THROUGH IT, I FEEL LIKE THE PUBLIC ART DOES SEEM TO, TO WORK A LITTLE BIT SMOOTHER WITH THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PIECE. AND SO I COULD SEE WHERE WE KIND OF NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT, BUT I DEFINITELY THINK IF THERE'S A WAY FOR, TO BRING PUBLIC ART TO OUR COMMUNITIES AND DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE, THE CITY THIS MIGHT BE A GREAT WAY TO TO DO IT. SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME AREAS I THINK NEED SOME CLARIFICATION. DEFINITELY ON THE TEMPORARY AND WHAT THAT MEANS. MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IF IT WORKS WELL, MAYBE IT'S SOMEWHERE THAT WE HAVE IT MORE LONG TERM. AND IT'S NOT JUST TEMPORARY. SO THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR ROTH. THANK YOU. I'M REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION, QUITE FRANKLY, AND I REALLY THINK THAT IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR US TO BE LEGISLATING OR ALLOWING FOLKS TO BE DEALING WITH, WITH ART PROJECTS ON OUR SIDEWALKS AND ON OUR STREETS. IF PEOPLE WANT TO DESIGNATE NEIGHBORHOOD IDENTIFICATION, WHICH I ENDORSE, IF PEOPLE WANT TO PROMOTE CERTAIN ACTIVITIES IN ON THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY AND ON THEIR IN, IN A CONCERTED WAY ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY SIDE, I SAID, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TRY TO, TO MANAGE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. BUT FOR US TO BE IN THE THE SITUATION OF TRYING TO LEGISLATE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW, HOW IT'S GOING TO BE, HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO BE, WHAT WHO'S GOING TO MAKE THE DECISIONS, I THINK IS TOTALLY ABSURD TO ME. IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S DOOMED TO FAIL. IT'S GOING TO BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE ENFORCEMENT NIGHTMARE. IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT HAS VERY SEVERE POLITICAL CONSEQUENCES. NOT, NOT POLITICAL IN A, IN A DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN, BUT IT'S JUST, IT'S, WE'RE DEALING WITH ISSUES THAT ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT BE PERMITTED IN A PUBLIC SETTING IN OUR PUBLIC STREETS. AND I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO IMPOSE A RESPONSIBILITY ON OUR, ON OUR DIRECTOR STAFF TO BE MAKING THESE KINDS OF DECISIONS. I THINK IT'S, IT'S TO ME, IT'S SURPRISING THAT WE'RE EVEN TALKING ABOUT THIS. THESE ARE EVERY. THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT PLACE FOR STUFF, AND IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO CREATE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS TO ALLOW FOR THIS. I AM NOT AGAINST IDENTIFYING NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT WE DON'T DO IT ON THE PUBLIC STREETS AND ON THE PUBLIC SIDEWALKS WHERE EVERYBODY HAS TO BE INVOLVED IN USING THESE, AND WE HAVE TO BE INVOLVED IN MANAGING THESE AND MAKING AND THERE'S SAFETY ISSUES, THERE'S, THERE'S CONSTRUCTION ISSUES, THERE'S IDENTIFICATION ISSUES, THERE'S THE TEMPORARY. THIS IS, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY FRAUGHT WITH, WITH POTENTIAL DIFFICULTIES. AND I WOULD SAY THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE AS A CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE ENDORSING OR THAT WE SHOULD BE PROMOTING OR THAT WE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING ON OUR CITY STREETS. IF PEOPLE WANT TO DO IT, THEY GOT PRIVATE PROPERTY. THEY CAN PAINT THE STEPS ON THEIR HOUSES. THEY CAN PUT STUFF ON THEIR HOUSES. THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO ON THEIR BUILDINGS IF IT'S APPROPRIATE. BUT IT'S NOT FOR US TO BE DOING THIS IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND ON OUR SIDEWALKS. AND I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT WE BE VERY, VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT PURSUING THIS APPROACH IN THE IN THE GUISE OF BEING THAT WE WANT TO PROMOTE ART IN THE CITY. SO I'M REAL CONCERNED I'M GOING TO BE WATCHING THIS VERY CLOSELY. AND I AM NOT CONVINCED THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THIS IS A BUSINESS THAT WE SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY. THANK YOU. AND I APPRECIATE THIS AS WELL. I HAVE A SIMPLE QUESTION. HOW DOES. LIKE I HAVE A BETTER BLOCK PROJECT THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. AND I JUST GOT THE KIND OF THE FIRST GLIMPSE OF THE DESIGNS RIGHT THERE AT HAMPTON AND PERRYTON. HOW DOES THAT FACTOR IN? BECAUSE THEY I THINK THEY SHOWED ME SOME RENDERINGS THAT MIGHT INCLUDE LIKE A. IT'S THE MASCOT FOR THE SCHOOL, THE LITTLE PAW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. [01:05:04] AND I'M ASSUMING THOSE ARE GENERIC ENOUGH TO BE OKAY. BUT HOW DO THESE PROJECTS FACTOR INTO ALL OF THIS? BECAUSE I'VE SEEN SOME THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED. YEAH, I'LL STOP THERE AND JUST FIGURE OUT HOW THIS. SO ALL THE PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED TO US WITH BETTER BLOCK, WE'RE HAVING THE CONVERSATION WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY COMPLY WITH FEDERAL AND STATE RULES. SO NO EXCEPTION THERE. OKAY. IF WE ARE TO ENTERTAIN LIKE, YOU KNOW, A MASCOT FOR A SCHOOL OR SOMETHING AGAIN, WE'VE DONE IT ON A NARROW SCOPE USING LIKE CHALK WHEREBY BASICALLY AT MOST IT WILL LAST FOR TWO MONTHS OR SOMETHING. AND, OR WHEN IT RAINS, IT'S WASHED AWAY AND, AND GONE, BUT THE PERMANENT PAVEMENT MARKINGS, ALL THAT HAS TO MEET THE FEDERAL AND STATE REQUIREMENTS. FAIR ENOUGH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. AND I THINK THESE ARE NOT SO MUCH FOR THE BEAUTY. YES, SOME BEAUTY, BUT REALLY TO HELP CHANGE TRAFFIC BEHAVIOR IN AND AROUND THE AREA THERE SO. OKAY AND THEN YEAH, I THINK I'M GOOD. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. COUNCIL MEMBER BLAIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I. WHAT I WROTE DOWN WAS NEED POLICY. THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF IT, PERCENTAGE OF COVERAGE, CONTENT MARKING WHO DECIDES WHAT IS OR FROM WHAT ISN'T. NEIGHBORHOOD IDENTITY PERMITTING PROCESS. WHAT IS THE PERMITTING PROCESS? IS THERE A PERMITTING PROCESS? WHAT ABOUT REPAIRING PROCESS? IF WE'RE REPAIRING SOMETHING, THEN WHO IS FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REPAIRING PROCESS. ONCE THE ORIGINAL FUNDING HAS BEEN DONE, FEDERAL AND STATE MANDATES. AND THEN WHEN MY. WHEN MY NEIGHBOR HERE. WHEN CHAIR GRACEY SAID BETTER BLOCK AND FEDERAL AND STATE THEN IT REMINDED ME THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO A BEAUTIFICATION PROCESS AT RED BIRD WITH A RED BIRD TIF AND, AND WHO DECIDES IF IT'S A BIRD IS APPRECIATED VERSUS OFFENSIVE. I JUST SEE THAT OPENING THE. WELL, WHETHER OR NOT YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE, OPENING THE DOOR ON WHAT IS THE PROCESS AND WHO MAKES THE POLICY DECISION. AND THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN BEFORE. OPPOSED TO JUST SAYING ONE DEPARTMENT OR TWO DEPARTMENTS MAKES THE FINAL DECISION. AND WHEN WE GET IN TROUBLE AND WHEN WE DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO PUT THE CITY UP FOR FEDERAL AND STATE REVIEWS. SO I THINK THAT THERE'S MORE DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO BE HAD. THANK YOU. SO ACM RASTOGI, WOULD YOU REFRESH THE COMMITTEE'S MEMORY ABOUT THE ORIGINAL STATE EDICT THAT WE RECEIVED, I BELIEVE, LAST FALL THAT BANNED ANY NONSTANDARD CROSSWALKS? WAS THAT APPLICABLE JUST TO STREETS OR DID IT SAY MORE GENERICALLY PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH MIGHT INCLUDE SIDEWALKS? YEAH. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME. MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT IT WAS FOR, MARKING ON THE ROADWAY PAVEMENT. BUT IT DID REFER TO THE GUIDELINES AS IT RELATES TO STREET RIGHT OF WAY. SO I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND, AND PULL UP THE ITEM TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT I HAVE THE EXACT VERBIAGE THAT CAME FROM TXDOT WITH RESPECT TO WHAT THEY WHAT THEY WERE ASKING US TO COMPLY WITH. AND I'M HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP WITH, WITH YOU AND THE COMMITTEE ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM. YES. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE. AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE MAY ALSO WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THEIR INTERPRETATION OF THAT COMMUNICATION FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE. OUR LAST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS ITEM D OUR FORECAST FOR THE OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER MEETINGS. [FORECAST] ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FORECAST? YES. COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKMON. THANK YOU. I WAS NOTICING ON SOME OF OUR ITEMS THAT WE HAVE LISTED THAT ARE COMING FOR COUNCIL, SPECIFICALLY REGIONAL WATER SUPPLY BY DWU AND FLOOD MANAGEMENT. [01:10:04] IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD HAVE MORE OF A ROBUST CONVERSATION? I MEAN, GIVEN THAT WE ARE HAVING A DROUGHT AND IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY IN TEXAS IS HAVING DROUGHTS, AND IF WE DON'T HAVE WATER, OUR REGION WON'T GROW. AND EVERYBODY LOOKS TO US AND I KNOW WE'RE PLANNING SOMETHING. WE HAVE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA, BUT IT MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A BIGGER DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT OUR LONG OUR LONG RANGE WATER PLANNING IS. AND THEN SAME THING WITH FLOOD MANAGEMENT AND EROSION CONTROL. JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND TO GET A REFRESHER ON IT. YEAH TO HAVE IN DISCUSSION AROUND IT BECAUSE MEMOS ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE ONE PAGE. YEAH, I KNOW THE DWU HAS THESE AND I THINK THAT IT IS, YOU KNOW, AS YOU MENTIONED PERHAPS IT IS TIMELY GIVEN SOME OF THE WEATHER CONDITIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH. SO IT JUST MAY BE A GOOD TIME. YEAH. SINCE WE'RE HAVING THIS ITEM, THAT'S ALL MY THANK YOU THANKS FOR THE FEEDBACK. COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE FORECAST. MY INTEREST WOULD BE IN LOOKING AT THE FINANCIALS OF EXECUTIVE AIRPORT SO THAT IT'S SEPARATED FROM LOVE FIELD. IT'S RARE THAT WE SEE THOSE ITEMS BROKEN OUT. AND SO I WOULD LIKE FOR THAT TO BE PART OF THE UPDATE THAT WE GET ON THE 19TH, IF THAT WAS POSSIBLE. I'M SORRY. WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? THE ITEM IS DALLAS EXECUTIVE AIRPORT UPDATE. ARE YOU SAYING YOU ALSO WANT AN UPDATE ON LOVE FIELD? NO, I'M SAYING I WOULD LIKE FINANCIALS TO BE PART OF THAT, THAT ARE EXCLUSIVE TO EXECUTIVE AIRPORT BECAUSE GENERALLY WE ALWAYS SEE THE NUMBERS LUMPED TOGETHER WITH LOVE FIELD. AND SO I'D JUST LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW IT'S DOING ON A STANDALONE BASIS FINANCIALLY. AND THEN FOR [INAUDIBLE] FOR THE REGIONAL WATER SUPPLY PLANNING. I DO HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. FIRST, I WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE SEEING THE COOPERATION BETWEEN THE NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT AND THE TARRANT COUNTY. SO ANYHOW, THAT'S ALL GOOD. BUT THE SECOND PART IS IT SAYS THAT THE 1985 CONTRACT HAS EXPIRED IN DALLAS. AND DENTON RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF RENEWING BLAH, BLAH. LIKE, WHEN DID THAT EXPIRE? WHEN DID THAT CONTRACT EXPIRE? DO WE HAVE INFORMATION ON THAT? I HAVE TO SEE IF STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. GOOD AFTERNOON. MATT PENK DEPUTY DIRECTOR [INAUDIBLE] UTILITIES. YEAH THAT CONTRACT UNTREATED WATER CONTRACT WITH DIDN'T EXPIRE I BELIEVE IN 2018 OR 2019. THEY WEREN'T REALLY USING UNTREATED WATER IN THE CONTRACT AT THAT TIME. AND THEY DECIDED NOT TO CONTINUE IT. BUT WE'RE AT A POINT NOW WHERE WE NEED TO EVALUATE OUR YIELD IN THOSE TWO RESERVOIRS, BECAUSE IT'S CRITICAL TO DALLAS AND DENTON TO KNOW WHAT'S AVAILABLE AND HOW WE OPERATE THE RESERVOIRS. OKAY. DO THEY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO USE IT NOW? THE UNTREATED WATER. THEY DO HAVE A REQUEST IN TO US. CURRENTLY WE'RE EVALUATING IT. OUR STAFF'S DETERMINING WHETHER OUR POSITION WOULD BE TO CONSIDER A, YOU KNOW, A NEW UNTREATED WATER CONTRACT BEFORE THIS YIELD STUDY. SO AT OUR CURRENT TIME, WE'RE PURSUING THE YIELD STUDY SO IT CAN HELP INFORM WHAT WATER THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY WORK WITH THEM ON. SO AS WE'RE TRYING TO ENSURE THE CONTINUITY OF OUR WATER SUPPLY, WHY WOULD WE GIVE AWAY UNTREATED WATER TO ANOTHER ANOTHER WATER DISTRICT? SO THERE MIGHT BE POTENTIAL THAT WATER THAT WE HAVE NOW WE MAY NOT NEED TILL 2050. SO THERE'S A POTENTIAL TO MONETIZE OR GET SOME VALUE OUT OF THAT WATER. SO THAT WOULD BE A CONSIDERATION THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT. AND SO JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THE FINANCES OF THAT, LET'S SAY YOU WERE ABLE TO PUT IN, YOU KNOW, A 10 OR 15, 20 YEAR CONTRACT. THE REVENUE THAT WAS RECEIVED, WOULD THAT THEN OFFSET WATER BILLS OR WOULD THAT GO TOWARDS EXISTING CAPITAL EXPANSIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING? I'LL MAYBE SARAH CAN HELP ME ON THE FINANCIALS. THAT'S KIND OF HER AREA, BUT I BELIEVE IT STAYS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT AND GOES INTO AN OVERALL COST OF SERVICE THAT DETERMINES HOW THAT'S ALLOCATED AMONGST OUR CUSTOMERS. GOOD AFTERNOON, SARAH STANDIFER, DALLAS WATER UTILITIES. AND WHEN WE DO THESE AGREEMENTS, THOSE FUNDS THAT ARE COMING IN AS PART OF MONETIZING WOULD GO TOWARDS OUR CAPITAL PROGRAM AND INVESTMENTS TO EXPAND THAT WATER SUPPLY IN THE [01:15:07] FUTURE. IT COMES IN UNDER A SEPARATE CONTRACT, MUCH LIKE OUR WHOLESALE CONTRACTS WITH COST OF SERVICE. AND SO IT'S SPLIT OUT INTO DEVELOPMENT OF THE SYSTEM AND MAINTENANCE OF OUR OWN INTERNAL SYSTEMS TO THE CITY. SO OUR RETAIL CUSTOMERS ARE PAYING FOR RETAIL SERVICES. WELL, MY CONCERN IS THE 10 BILLION AND IF WE COULD MONETIZE IT, I WOULD LOVE FOR THAT TO BE DIRECTED TO MAKING THOSE NECESSARY REPAIRS AND UPGRADES. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT UPCOMING AGENDA ITEMS? [POTENTIAL UPCOMING AGENDA ITEMS] YES. COUNCIL MEMBER CADENA. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REQUEST THAT FOR THE NEXT COMMITTEE, IF WE COULD HAVE LIKE IN THE UPCOMING AGENDA ITEMS, MAYBE THE DISTRICTS THAT ARE AFFECTED SOMEHOW NOTATED BECAUSE I NOTICED THAT TWO OF THEM INVOLVE DISTRICT 6, BUT I HAD TO DIG QUITE A BIT IN ORDER TO, TO KNOW THAT. SO THAT'S MY ONLY SUGGESTION. THANKS. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT SUGGESTION. SINCE THE AGENDA WHEN WE RECEIVE IT USUALLY IDENTIFIES THAT I ASSUME THAT INFORMATION WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THE COMMITTEE AGENDA. YEAH. THAT IS THAT IS CORRECT. AND COUNCIL MEMBER CADENA SHARED THAT FEEDBACK WITH ME EARLIER. AND WE'LL LOOK FOR, FOR WAYS TO MAKE THAT MORE VISIBLE TO THE COMMITTEE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. YES. VICE CHAIR ROTH. THANK YOU. A COUPLE A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON ITEM H. I'M JUST SORT OF CURIOUS. IS OUT OF THE 2. 2.4 4 MILLION DOLLARS WE'RE STUDYING THE ZEBRA MUSSEL MONITORING PROGRAM. IS THAT. IS THAT SOMETHING WE'RE MANDATED TO DO? IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S REQUIRED FOR US TO? IS IT'S SORT OF A IT'S SORT OF TONGUE IN CHEEK. IT'S I'M WONDERING WHAT WE'RE HOW MUCH OF. HOW MUCH ARE WE SPENDING TO STUDY THE MUSSEL. ACTUALLY ZEBRA MUSSELS ARE A BIG ISSUE AND A BIG PROBLEM FOR US IN THE WATER BUSINESS. AND SO YOU KNOW, WHILE IT MAY SOUND LIKE A, A SMALL ITEM THAT WE'RE PAYING ATTENTION TO, IT ACTUALLY IS A HUGE PROBLEM FOR OUR WATER SYSTEM. SO I'LL HAND IT OVER TO MATT AND SARAH TO PROVIDE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE FEEDBACK ON THE HISTORY AND WHY WE DO THIS. WELL, REALLY YOUR ANSWER ANSWERED MY QUESTION. I REALLY I WAS BEING TONGUE IN CHEEK, BUT IF IT'S SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH AND IT IS A, AN ACTUAL OPERATIONAL ISSUE THAT THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO SPEND THE MONEY ON. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS IDENTIFIED AND THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTOOD THIS IS NOT JUST A SIDE DEAL. IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. NO, THIS THIS IS DIRECTLY IMPACTS OUR WATER SYSTEM. AND IT IS A HUGE PROBLEM. OKAY. AND SO WE INVEST IN THIS WORK BECAUSE OF THAT, THAT ISSUE. SO SARAH, MATT, IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT. I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, IT REPRESENTS ABOUT $177,000 OF OUR PARTICIPATION. GREAT. THANK YOU. AND UNDER ITEM V. I NOTE THAT THERE'S A. WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING AUTHORIZING A SERVICE CONTRACT FOR DESIGNING FOR STREETS, BUT THERE'S NO DOLLAR FIGURE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. IS THAT IS THERE A PLAN TO BE SOME KIND OF AN ESTIMATED BUDGET AMOUNT THAT WILL BE IDENTIFIED ON THAT WHEN THAT IS PRESENTED? I'M SORRY, COUNCIL MEMBER WAS. WHICH ITEM ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? V AS IN VICTOR. V EXCUSE ME. LET ME SCROLL DOWN TO THAT PARTICULAR ONE. THIS. THIS IS A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT. AND I THINK THAT GUS AND HIS TEAM CAN PROVIDE SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE, THE FOUR STREETS THAT ARE GOING TO BE PART OF THIS, THIS GROUP OF WORK. THOSE ARE GENERALLY LISTED IN THE AGENDA INFORMATION SHEET. THAT I DO NOT HAVE A COPY OF HERE. WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU AS A FOLLOW UP TO THIS, THIS COMMITTEE MEETING, I THINK IT WOULD NORMALLY BE PART OF THE AGENDA INFORMATION SHEET, WHICH IS NOT ATTACHED TO THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BLAIR. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR DWU. WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO DUMPING AND HOW IT IMPACTS OUR WATER FLOW. [01:20:10] IS THAT REGARDING ANY PARTICULAR UPCOMING AGENDA ITEM? NO, THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK THAT WE SHOULD ACTUALLY ADD BECAUSE WATER FLOW, WHEN YOU WHEN YOU HAVE DUMPING THAT BLOCKS THE, THE WATERWAY, IT HINDERS OUR WATER TABLE FLOW. AND MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A MECHANISM OR A OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BE PROACTIVE WITH IT, AS OPPOSED TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE A BLOCKAGE BECAUSE OF DUMPING IN OUR WATER FLOW, IN OUR CREEKS AND HOW IT IMPACTS OUR WATER TABLE AND OUR WATER FLOW. OKAY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE ON A FUTURE MEETING? YES. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ON A FUTURE AGENDA. OKAY. WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. AND I ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR REQUEST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND COUNCILMAN GRACEY. YOU HAD NO QUESTIONS. OKAY. SARAH, COULD YOU COME BACK ON THAT ITEM CONCERNING THE ZEBRA MUSSELS? THAT'S SOMETHING I HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT IN MANY MONTHS. AND I KNOW THEY ARE A SEVERE THREAT TO OUR WATER SYSTEM, PUMPS AND PIPELINES. WHAT'S THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE MIGRATION OF THE MUSSELS? I KNOW AT ONE TIME THEY WERE CONFINED TO LAKE TEXOMA, BUT THERE WERE CONCERNS THAT IT WAS GOING TO MIGRATE THROUGH BOAT ACTIVITY AND OTHER LAKES. WHERE ARE WE ON THAT? AND, AND EFFORTS TO MITIGATE THAT THREAT. IF YOU GIVE ME A SECOND, I HAVE KIND OF A RUNDOWN ON. THIS IS WHAT REFERS TO WATCH LIST. OTHERS, THEY CLASSIFY IT AS INFESTATION. SO IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON PER RESERVOIR THAT WE HAVE. YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE LAKE RAY HUBBARD WITH INITIAL DETECTION WAS IN 2011. IT'S CURRENTLY CLASSIFIED AS SUSPECT. LAKE RAY ROBERTS 2012 INITIAL DETECTION. AND YET IT'S CLASSIFIED AS INFESTED. SO DEPENDING ON THE RESERVOIR AND THE STREAM THAT CONTRIBUTES IT, IT HAS BEEN FOUND IN MORE PROMINENT PLACES THAN OTHERS. IN TERMS OF WHAT WE DO, WE TRY TO USE DIFFERENT MECHANISMS TO PROTECT OUR INFLOWS TO OUR PUMPS AT OUR WATER TREATMENT PLANTS. THAT CAN BE A COMBINATION OF CHEMICAL MEANS OR STRUCTURAL MEANS. SO WE DO THE BEST WE CAN TO TRY TO KEEP THAT OFF. I THINK A LOT OF IT IS COMMUNICATION, BOATING, COMMUNICATION. SO YOU'RE NOT TRANSFERRING IT. SO IT'S BEYOND JUST A PHYSICAL WAY OF DOING. IT HAS TO ALSO BE COMMUNICATION, KIND OF LIKE LITTERING. WE NEED PUBLIC SUPPORT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO IT'S KIND OF A MULTI-PRONGED APPROACH TO TRY TO DO THE BEST WE CAN WITH IT. SO. WELL, HOW MANY OF THE LAKES THAT THE CITY THAT DWU DEPENDS UPON AS WATER SOURCES ARE INFESTED WITH THE ZEBRA MUSSELS? IT LOOKS LIKE. CURRENTLY, LAKE RAY ROBERTS AND LAKE LEWISVILLE ARE CLASSIFIED AS INFESTED. THAT'D BE TWO OF THE SIX CURRENT RESERVOIRS THAT WE THAT WE UTILIZE. OKAY. HAVE THERE BEEN ANY INCIDENTS WHERE YOU HAVE HAD PROBLEMS WITH YOUR EQUIPMENT AS A RESULT OF THE ZEBRA MUSSELS? WHAT FINANCIAL IMPACT HAS THAT HAD? MOSTLY OPERATIONAL AT THIS POINT. AT THE BACHMAN WATER TREATMENT PLANT, WHICH IS DOWNSTREAM OF THOSE RESERVOIRS WHERE WE TAKE WATER FROM THE TRINITY RIVER. WE'VE HAD TO BE HAVE MORE OPERATION INTENSIVE ACTIVITIES AT OUR INTAKE TO THE PLANT BECAUSE OF THAT. SO IT JUST REQUIRES MORE MAINTENANCE? AT THIS TIME. YES, SIR. OKAY. DO YOU SEE THE PROBLEM GETTING WORSE? GETTING BETTER? WHAT'S THE TREND? I SEE IT SLOWLY KIND OF GETTING WORSE FROM MY OBSERVATION OVER THE YEARS IN TERMS OF HOW IT WAS SOMETHING TO BE AWARE OF TO NOW IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. DO YOU ANTICIPATE NEEDING TO MAKE ANY LARGE DOLLAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS TO MITIGATE THE EFFECT OF THE MUSSELS? NOT CURRENTLY. WE HAVE NOT HAD TO DO THAT AT THIS TIME, AND IT'S NOT ON OUR FORECAST FOR ANYTHING. ZEBRA MUSSELS RELATED TO GENERATE A HUGE CAPITAL INVESTMENT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY UPCOMING AGENDA ITEMS? SEEING NONE. IT IS NOW 2:27 P.M. ON SEPTEMBER 14TH. [01:25:04] AND THE COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE IS HEREBY ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.