* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] AND GET THE MEETING [1. Call to order and introduction of meeting participants] STARTED. SO WE'LL CALL THE DESIGN DISTRICT TIFF BOARD MEETING TO ORDER ON SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2026 AT 2:02 PM AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND TURN THE MEETING OVER TO OUR VICE CHAIR. GOOD. GOOD DAY EVERYONE. IT'S GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE. MY SINCERE APOLOGIES FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO MAKE THE LAST MEETING, UH, BUT, UH, TRAVEL AND LOGISTICS SOMETIMES GET THE BEST OF US ALL. SO IT'S GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY. UM, WANNA PUBLICLY THANK SUE FOR ORGANIZING, UM, THIS MEETING AND MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS THE APPROPRIATE MATERIALS, UM, FOR US TO STUDY, UH, AND TO REVIEW, UH, TODAY. UM, [2. Public comments pertaining to agenda items 3 through 6. ] THE SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC COMMENTS PERTAINING TO THE ITEMS THAT WE'LL TALK TO TALK ABOUT TODAY, THREE THROUGH SIX. UM, RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC PARTICIPANTS, BUT IF SO, WE'D LIKE TO HOLD THOSE COMMENTS TO AFTER THE PRESENTATIONS, UH, HAVE BEEN MADE. UM, THIRD ITEM, [3. Action Item: Review and consider the Meeting Record of the December 8, 2025 Design District TIF District Board Meeting] UH, WE WANNA REVIEW AND CONSIDER THE MEETING RECORD OF DECEMBER 8TH, 2025, UM, TIFF DISTRICT BOARD MEETING. UH, AND I WANT, EVERYONE'S HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE, UH, MEETING NOTES. AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE THOSE MEETING NOTES APPROVED. SECOND, I'LL SECOND. SO WE HAD NICOLE AND, UM, PAM, OR DID WE HAVE, WAS IT NICOLE? AND, ALRIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALRIGHT. TO KEEP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT [4. Action Item: Review a project update for the Trinity Strand Hi-Line Span Project, including (1) a pedestrian bridge at the Hi Line Drive trail head to span across Turtle Creek and connector trail segment from the western side of the new bridge to Market Center Boulevard and (2) a connector trail segment from Market Center Boulevard to Irving Boulevard and consider an increase in the district-wide TIF District funding by up to an additional $500,000 (from the current dedication of $9,722,123) for design and construction for a total not to exceed $10,222,123 for increased costs resulting from: (1) a change order for pedestrian bridge modified drill shafts, concrete and handrail reinforcements to the west side connector trail, (2) modifications to retaining walls under the Market Center Boulevard bridge and rightof-way, (3) increased Oncor overhead utility burial costs, (4) inc] ITEM, UH, ON THE AGENDA, UH, IS TO REVIEW, UM, A PROJECT UPDATE FOR THE TRINITY STANDARD. THERE'S TRINITY STRAND HIGHLINE SPAN PROJECT. UM, WE'LL LET SUE KIND OF GO ACROSS THE DETAILS, BUT DID EVERYONE GET THE PACKETS, UH, ACCORDINGLY, RELATIVE TO THIS? YEAH. YES. YES. OKAY. WELL, WE WILL TRY TO SHARE OUR SCREEN FOR THE PRESENTATION. UH, LET'S SEE. SHARE. MM-HMM . OKAY. WE'VE PRACTICED. SO EVERYONE FINGERS. SO JUST, I GUESS JUST PUT THE FIRST SCREEN UP THERE AND THEN WE'LL JUST OPEN UP THE, UH, YEAH. CAN EVERYONE SEE THIS? YES. MM-HMM . OKAY, GREAT. UH, LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO . OKAY. I THINK IF I USE MY ARROW, IT'LL PROBABLY GO FORWARD. 'CAUSE I WANNA BE ABLE TO SEE PEOPLE IF THEY WAVE AT US. SO LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET THIS TO WORK OR I HAVE TO GO DOWN, MAYBE. IS THAT IT? I CLICK ON THE ACTUAL PRESENTATION. OKAY. AND TRY, HERE WE GO. YAY. OKAY. SO, UM, FOR SOME OF YOU THIS WILL BE FAMILIAR. SOME OF THIS WILL BE FAIRLY NEW TO SOME OF OUR NEWER BOARD MEMBERS, BUT, UM, WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE TRINITY STRAND HIGHLINE SPAN PROJECT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR THE BETTER PART OF SEVEN YEARS. UM, SO WE'LL GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY TO REFRESH EVERYBODY'S MEMORY AND TO KIND OF BRING THE NEWER, UM, BOARD MEMBERS UP TO SPEED, TALK ABOUT THE TIMELINE, AN UPDATE ON CONSTRUCTION. AND, UM, A DISCUSSION AROUND OUR PROPOSED, UH, TIF FUNDING INCREASE. AND WITH ME TODAY ALSO IS JOHN REYNOLDS, WHO'S CURRENTLY THE PARK DEPARTMENT PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE PROJECT. SO, UM, LIKE I SAID, OVER ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO, UM, THIS PROJECT WAS, WAS A RESULT OF A COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE CITY'S PARK DEPARTMENT FRIENDS OF THE TRINITY STRAND TRAIL, UH, THE LOOP DALLAS COUNTY AND OUR OFFICE, TO LOOK AT THE BEST WAY FOR, UM, THE TIF DISTRICT TO SUPPORT EXPANDING, UM, THE TRAIL NETWORK, UM, AND MAKING A MAJOR CONTRIBUTION TO THAT, UM, AS PART OF THE TIF PLAN. SO THIS, UM, MAP AND WHAT'S CONSIDERED UNDERSTUDY WITH THE DOTTED LINES IN RED, UM, AND THE BRIDGE CALL OUTS WAS EFFECTIVELY WHAT BECAME THE PROJECT IDEA THAT WE CAME UP WITH. UM, SO THIS IS A MORE FORMAL SCOPE. WE HAD, UM, A PROPOSAL PUT TOGETHER BY, UM, PACHECO COKE, WHO THEN BECAME WESTWOOD. UM, AND SO THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT, [00:05:01] UM, INCLUDED A SIGNATURE CUSTOM BRIDGE AT THE END OF HIGHLINE ACROSS THE TURTLE CREEK TO, UM, THE WESTERN BANKS, CLOSE TO WHERE RODEO GOAT RESTAURANT IS, AND THEN A CONNECTOR TRAIL ALONG THE WESTERN BANKS, UM, ALL THE WAY TO IRVING BOULEVARD. AND THEN ANOTHER, UM, SMALLER PEDESTRIAN LIKE PREFABRICATED PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE CLOSER TO IRVING BOULEVARD. SO THE PROJECT'S BEEN IMPLEMENTED, UM, AS A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE PARK DEPARTMENT AND OUR OFFICE AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS. AND THIS IS PART OF THE CITY'S, UM, TRAIL SYSTEM. SO THIS WILL BE OWNED AND LARGELY MAINTAINED BY, UM, THE PARK DEPARTMENT ONCE IT'S BUILT. SO HERE'S A FEW RENDERINGS, UH, FINAL RENDERINGS OF THE PROJECT. UM, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S THAT CUSTOM BRIDGE THAT'S, UM, THE ONE THAT'LL GO FROM THE END OF HIGH LINE ACROSS TO THE, UM, THE OTHER WESTERN BANKS. AND THERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS A, UM, A RENDERING OF THE PLAZA AT THE END OF HIGH LINE. AND IN THAT LITTLE SPACE IN THE MIDDLE THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST SOME LAVENDER COLORED FLOWERS IS WHERE, UM, A FUTURE PUBLIC ART PIECE IS, UM, IS DESTINED FOR. AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER TODAY. SO A LITTLE BIT OF A TIMELINE. SO IN FEBRUARY OF 2020 WAS WHEN THE TIF BOARD MADE THE INITIAL COMMITMENT OF UP TO 7 MILLION FOR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT. IN SEPTEMBER OF 2020, UM, PACHECO COKE, NOW WESTWOOD, UM, ENGAGED IN A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT. AND THEN BETWEEN 2021 AND 2024, THERE WAS THE WHOLE DESIGN PROCESS. WE HAD A LOT OF, UM, MEETINGS WITH THE TIF BOARD. UM, A LOT OF FOCUS ON HOW TO MAKE THE, THAT ONE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, UM, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A SIGNATURE FOR THE DISTRICT. UM, THE PROCESS WAS DELAYED BY SOME ENVIRONMENTAL WORK THAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN. SO THAT TOOK UP ABOUT A YEAR OF THAT TIMEFRAME. AND THEN IN LATE 2024, THE PARK DEPARTMENT WENT THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION BID PROCESS. AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE OF THE TIME THAT HAD LAPSED FROM THE BEGINNING TO THE, TO THAT TIME, UM, CONSTRUCTION COST HAD INCREASED. SO IN NOVEMBER OF 2024, WE CAME BACK TO THE BOARD BASED ON, UM, THE CONSTRUCTION BID INFORMATION AND THE BOARD APPROVED A $2.7 MILLION INCREASE AND THE PROJECT BUDGET FOR AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 9.7 MILLION. SO SINCE THEN, FEBRUARY OF 2025, THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT WAS AWARDED. UM, MAY OF 25 WAS WHEN CONSTRUCTION OFFICIALLY WAS UNDERWAY. THERE WAS A GROUNDBREAKING EVENT IN APRIL. WE HAD SEEN THE PHOTO THERE. AND THEN, UH, WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, WELL UNDER CONSTRUCTION SINCE THEN WITH A CURRENTLY ANTICIPATED, UM, COMPLETION IN EARLY TO MID 2027. SO HERE'S SOME CONSTRUCTION PHOTOS FROM THIS PAST SUMMER. UM, THIS IS LOOKING FROM THE WESTERN SIDE FROM RODEO GOAT OVER TO THE EAST. SO OUR PROPOSED, UM, FUNDING INCREASE, AS I SAID, IN IN 2024, UM, WAS WENT FROM 7 MILLION TO 9.7 BASED ON, UM, BASE BID ESTIMATES THAT CAME IN AS WELL AS, UM, SOME ALTERNATIVES FROM UTILITY BURIAL AND A PREFABRICATED BRIDGE BY ERWIN BOULEVARD. AND THEN THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF CONTINGENCY IN THAT BUDGET, BUT NOW THAT THE PROJECT IS WELL UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME OTHER UNIN UNEXPECTED COSTS. SO WE DO HAVE, UM, COSTS THAT EXCEED THAT $300,000 CONTINGENCY. SEE. SO TODAY WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED IS AN ADDITIONAL 500,000 FOR A VARIETY OF THINGS. ONE IS, UM, A CHANGE ORDER THAT WAS NEEDED BECAUSE THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, UM, NEEDS SOME MODIFIED DRILL SHAFTS THAT NEEDED TO GO DEEPER THAN ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED. THERE'S ALSO BEEN A GRAY CHANGE ON THE WESTERN SIDE THAT, UM, REQUIRES MORE CONCRETE REINFORCEMENTS AS WELL AS SOME HAND RAILS FOR SAFETY. UM, THERE'S ALSO BEEN CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN THE PARK DEPARTMENT AND TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS ABOUT HOW TO ADDRESS RETAINING WALLS UNDER THE MARKET CENTER BOULEVARD BRIDGE AND TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC WORKS HAS REQUESTED A DIFFERENT TYPE OF RETAINING WALL. UM, AND SO THAT'S ADDED TO SOME, SOME COSTS. AND THEN, UM, THE ENCORE OVERHEAD UTILITY BURIAL COSTS, THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL FEES RELATED TO THAT AS WELL AS MATERIALS TESTING AND, UM, JUST SOME ADDITIONAL DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT COSTS. SO TODAY WE'RE RECOMMENDING A $500,000 INCREASE TO ADDRESS THOSE ITEMS. UM, AND THAT WOULD BRING THE [00:10:01] TOTAL PROJECT FUNDING UP TO A, NOT TO EXCEED 10.2 MILLION. AND I THINK WITH THAT, UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND JOHN IS HERE IF THERE'S ANY REAL TECHNICAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION, THE FLOOR IS OPEN. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, UH, GIVE JOHN ALL QUESTIONS TO BE HERE TODAY. ANY GOING ONCE, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I HAD A QUESTION. REALLY, JUST THE FACT THAT WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF TOWARDS THE TAIL END ON THE, ON THE TIMELINE. ARE WE ANTICIPATING ANY OTHER INCURRED COSTS THAT WE'RE NOT REALIZING AT THE MOMENT? OR ARE WE, ARE WE PRETTY SET AT THIS $500,000 INCREASE THAT THIS SHOULD BE ABLE TO SOLVE CURRENT ISSUES? WE ARE HOPING THAT THIS IS IT. I MEAN, YOU CAN'T EVER GUARANTEE WITH A PROJECT LIKE THIS, BUT THE, THE AIM REALLY, AND THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF TOOK SOME TIME, UM, 'CAUSE I HAD, BEFORE JOHN TOOK THIS PROJECT OVER, THERE WAS ANOTHER PROJECT MANAGER THAT BEEN HANDLING THIS FOR A COUPLE YEARS AND WE STARTED LEARNING ABOUT SOME OF THESE ISSUES AND I KEPT SAYING, MAKE SURE YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING ELSE THAT MIGHT BE AN ISSUE. AND SO WE DID KIND OF DELAY COMING BACK TO THE BOARD TO, TO TRY TO GET AT EVERYTHING. UM, SO THAT'S OUR HOPE THAT THIS IS THE LAST, UM, INCREASE THAT WE NEED. YEAH, I WOULD SAY IT IS THE ONLY, THESE ARE THE ONLY THINGS WE KNOW OF RIGHT AT, AT THIS DAY, WHICH IS, WHICH WE DON'T PARTICIPATE. AND THE PROJECT GETS FAR ENOUGH ALONG, HOPEFULLY THERE'S NOTHING ELSE. WE'RE NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING AT THIS TIME. IS THERE A WAY TO CHANGE THIS WHERE WE CAN SEE EVERYBODY? I'M TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, IS THERE AN UPDATE ON TIMING? JUST CURIOUS ON YES. UM, AND I THINK SUE ALLUDED IT TO IT, UM, BASICALLY BASED ON, AND PART OF IT IS THE, IS THE WALL THAT WE, ONE OF THE WALLS YOU MENTIONED, UM, THAT, UH, RECENTLY TRANSPORTATION, UM, GAVE US DIRECTIONS. HE WANTED A DIFFERENT TYPE OF WALL. AND SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, UM, HAVING THAT WALL REDESIGNED ONCE IT'S DESIGN'S COMPLETE, THE CONTRACTOR COULD, UH, START ON THAT. HIS ESTIMATE IS, THAT SHOULD BE DONE PROBABLY IN THE, MAYBE TOWARDS THE END OF THE FIRST QUARTER OF NEXT YEAR. SO, UH, WE ANTICIPATE HAVING THOSE, THE PLAZA AND BRIDGE COMPLETED AT THE END OF TIMELINE, BUT AT THE END OF THIS YEAR. SO THAT WOULD BE, AND ONCE THAT'S COMPLETED, I BELIEVE WE COULD, WE COULD OPEN THAT PORTION. NOW IT'S UP TO YOU, SUE. BUT I THINK THAT WOULD SEEM LIKE THAT WOULD MAKE, WOULD MAKE SENSE. SO THE PIECE WE'D BE, THAT WOULDN'T BE COMPLETED WOULD BE, UH, THE SECTION TRAIL UNDERNEATH THE MARKET CENTER. AND THEN BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GET ACCESS TO MARKET CENTER, THE OTHER SECTION DOWN AT THE OTHER PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE WOULD BE THE LAST PIECE TO BE BUILT. SO ANTICIPATING, UM, FIRST I'D SAY FIRST OR SECOND QUARTER OF NEXT YEAR FOR COMPLETION. GOT IT. THANK YOU. I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UM, HOW TALL IS THE WALL ON THE BRIDGE? OH, YOU MEAN LIKE THE, THE, UH, LIKE, LIKE WHAT, WHAT HEIGHT? THE, I GUESS THE RAIL, IF YOU WILL. MM-HMM . I BELIEVE THEY'RE, UH, AND UM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CUSTOM BRIDGE? YEP. YEAH. IF YOU'RE WALKING ACROSS THE WALL ON THE LEFT AND RIGHT. IS IT, IS IT HANDRAIL HEIGHT OR IS IT LIKE HEAD HEIGHT? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. YEAH, WE, WE CAN FIND OUT FOR YOU. I DON'T, UM, I I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, OH, I BELIEVE IT'S PROBABLY 42 INCHES. IT'D BE BASED ON OTHER BRIDGES. YEAH, JUST LOOK AT, I DON'T, WE CAN TELL BY LOOKING AT THE PHOTO. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTO AND YOU SEE THE PEOPLE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S AT LEAST HANDRAIL, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER. YEAH, I THINK, I THINK USUALLY FOUR MOST RAILS ARE 42. YEAH. BY CODE. SO, AND DO YOU KNOW, DO YOU KNOW THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE BRIDGE AND THE GROUND? NOT TOP OF MY HEAD. I'D SAY IT'S ABOUT . DO YOU REMEMBER THAT PHOTO YOU HAD? I THINK THAT PHOTO, UM, I'D SAY IT'S APPROXIMATELY 10, 12 FEET. HERE WE GO. I MEAN, I KIND OF KIND OF WANNA KNOW, LIKE FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, IF SOMEBODY WERE TO JUMP OFF OF IT OR FALL OFF OF IT, LIKE IF THEY'RE, IF THEY RIDE THEIR BIKE ACROSS IT AND THEY GET THROWN OFF THEIR BIKE OR IF THEY JUMP [00:15:01] OFF FOR FUN OR SKATEBOARDS OR TRICKS OR WHATEVER, UM, I KIND OF WANNA KNOW IS WOULD IT BE A FATALITY OR WOULD THEY, OR WOULD THEY JUST BE INJURED? LIKE IF SOMEONE FELL OFF THEIR BIKE? PAM? LIKE OFF THE BRIDGE? YEAH. OH, HEY CHARLOTTE. YEAH, EXACTLY. LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW THINGS, WE GET A LOT OF WEIRD THINGS OVER HERE AND I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF SOMEBODY FELL OFF OF IT, YOU KNOW, WOULD THEY DIE OR WOULD THEY JUST BE LIKE, BREAK THEIR ARM AND STUFF? YOU KNOW, I'M JUST CURIOUS. I . AND IF, AND IF SO, IF THEY WOULD, IF, IF IT, IF IT WOULD BE A FATALITY, IF THEY WERE TO FALL OFF, SHOULD WE CONSIDER MOVING THE HANDRAIL HIGHER A, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE HIGHER? I THINK WE'RE PAST, I THINK WE'RE PAST THAT. I THINK JOHN CAN SPEAK TOO WITH THE, THE STANDARDS. OKAY. SO, OKAY. THE, THE BRIDGE WE USE ARE, THEY'RE DESIGNED TO, IT'S CALLED ATO STANDARDS. IT'S A TRANSPORTATION STANDARD FOR, FOR HEIGHTS ON BRIDGES. UM, AND WE, WE WILL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON WHAT HEIGHT IT IS, BUT IT, THIS ONE HAS BEEN VETTED FOR, IT'S SIMILAR TO, UM, WELL ALL THE OTHER, ALL THE BRIDGES IN, NOT ALL, BUT MAJORITY OF BRIDGES IN, IN DALLAS. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S GOOD. AND THEN OTHER, MY LAST QUESTION WAS, UM, ON THOSE SHAFTS, DID THEY HAVE TO MAKE THE DEEPER SHAFTS BECAUSE OF THE, THE, YOU KNOW, SLIDING OR THE TERRAIN CHANGING? LIKE, WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR THAT? SO THERE IS, UM, THERE, UM, IT'S BASICALLY THE PENETRATION IN A LIMESTONE. AND SO THE PENETRATION TO, TO GET THE PROPER PENETRATION, THEY HAD TO GO, IT'S LIKE 11 FEET DEEPER. IT WASN'T THAT IT HAD TO GO THAT MUCH DEEPER, BUT THE PIERS ARE JUST SO LARGE, THAT'S WHY IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE. IT'S, UH, UM, OKAY. IT'S LIKE A FIVE FOOT DIAMETER PIER, OF WHICH WE HAD, I THINK THERE WAS, I WANNA SAY IT WAS LIKE EIGHT OR SOMETHING. SO IT WAS, IT WASN'T THAT MANY LINEAR FEET OF PIER. IT'S JUST THE EXPENSE OF THE PIERS. YEAH. IT'S NOT THAT UNCOMMON TO, TO HAVE TO DRILL DEEPER SHAFTS. THIS ONE. GOTCHA. OKAY. THE COMMON PART IS THE SIZEABLE. SO YEAH. YEAH, I WANNA SAY THAT PROBABLY LIKE, IT WAS ABOUT 250,000. THAT WAS, THAT ATE UP MOST OF THE CONTINGENCY RIGHT THERE. YEAH. GOTCHA. WELL THAT MAKES SENSE. I MEAN, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE LIKE, I MEAN WE, OBVIOUSLY THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, RIGHT? , YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE SOME MUDS SLIDING, UH, AROUND STEMMONS IN THE AREA BETWEEN, UM, HIGHLINE AND OAK LAWN. THERE'S SOME MUDSLIDES THAT OCCUR AND I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THIS AREA WAS, UH, HAD ANY KIND OF POTENTIAL FOR THAT KIND OF THING. AND YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE SUPPORT IS IMPORTANT, SO WE NEED TO GO REALLY DEEP. WE CAN YEAH, NO, THAT, THAT'S VERY, THAT THAT'S VERY THOUGHTFUL, PAM. UM, I'M AWARE OF THOSE MUD SLIDES AS WELL. SO, EXCELLENT POINTS, EXCELLENT POINTS FOR CONSIDERATION. OKAY. I MEAN, IF WE NEED TO SPEND A LITTLE MORE MONEY TO GO DEEPER, I SAY DO IT BECAUSE IT'S OUR ONE CHANCE TO DO IT AND LET'S DO IT. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, SO JUST SOMETHING, THINK ABOUT ANY MORE, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, UH, FOR JOHN WHILE WE HAVE HIM. UH, VERY, VERY, VERY GOOD COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS THUS FAR. ANY, ANY ADDITIONAL? SO WITH, WE JUST NEED A MOTION. YEAH. SO WITH THAT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, THIS, UH, INCREASE AND FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, UH, TO THE CITY COUNCIL. UH, ANY MOTIONS APPROVED. SO MOVED. SO I THINK IT WAS NICOLE AND THEN I ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. SEE THE LEAST, WHICH IS WHY THIS DRIVES ME NUTS. WE TRYING TO GET THE SCREEN SO WE CAN SEE ALL THE A'S SHARING. YEAH, YOU HAVE TO STOP SHARING. ALRIGHT, SO I'LL GO AHEAD TO, NOW I HAVE TO GO BACK TO SHARING. I HAVE TO KEEP GOING BACK AND FORTH, UNFORTUNATELY. ALRIGHT, LET'S SEE. HERE WE ARE. WE'LL GO ON TO THE NEXT PRESENTATION. OH, GOTTA ACTUALLY SHARE, SUE. OH, SO GO BACK TO, SO SUE IS TRANSITIONING. UM, GO BACK TO SHARE. OKAY. YEAH, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, YEAH, WE'LL GO TO [5. Action Item: Review an update on the public art component for the Trinity Strand Hi-Line Span Project trailhead/plaza and consider a request by the Office of Arts and Culture for up to $80,000 in Design District TIF District funds as contingency funding for materials costs for the public art component. ] THE NEXT ACTION ITEM, UM, WHICH IS REVIEW AND UPDATE ON THE PUBLIC ART COMPONENT, UH, FOR THE TRINITY STRAND HIGHLINE SPAN PROJECT. CAN EVERYONE SEE THIS? HOPEFULLY YES WE CAN. OKAY. SO I WILL, UM, GO AHEAD AND KICK THIS OFF. AND THEN, UM, SABINE WITH, UM, THE OFFICE OF ARTS AND CULTURE IS ALSO ONLINE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, WE'LL KIND [00:20:01] OF GO THROUGH THIS ONE. UM, LET'S SEE. CAN I GET THIS TO ADVANCE? OH, HERE WE GO. SO, UM, SOME OF THIS WILL BE A LITTLE REPETITIVE BECAUSE IT RELATES TO THE TRAIL PROJECT THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, BUT I JUST WANNA GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW ABOUT HOW THIS TIES INTO THE TRAIL PROJECT. UM, WE HAVE A FEW SLIDES ABOUT THE PUBLIC ART PROGRAM AND THE COMMUNITY INPUT PROCESS, AND THEN AN UPDATE ON THIS PARTICULAR PUBLIC ART, UM, COMPONENT. AND THEN, UM, A TIP DISTRICT FUNDING REQUEST AS IT RELATES TO THE PROJECT. SO, UM, I WON'T GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN SINCE WE JUST COVERED, UM, THE TRAIL PROJECT ONLY TO SAY THAT ORIGINALLY, UM, OUR BUDGET DID NOT ACCOMMODATE ANY PUBLIC ART FUNDING, BUT WE WERE FORTUNATE THAT BACK IN 2024, UM, WE WERE ABLE TO SECURE SOME FUNDS WITH THE OFFICE OF ARTS AND CULTURE. THERE WAS SOME UNUSED PUBLIC ART FUNDING, AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO SECURE SOME FUNDING FOR A PUBLIC ART PIECE, UM, THAT WAS IDENTIFIED TO BE ON THAT PLAZA AT THIS HIGHLINE TRAIL HEAD. SO, UM, HERE, MAYBE THIS IS WHERE, UM, SABINE MAY WANT TO, TO CHIME IN ABOUT THEIR, UM, THEIR PUBLIC ART PROGRAM IN GENERAL, THOSE STEPS. SURE. SO, HI, I'M SABINE SINT, UH, PROJECT LEAD FOR THIS PROJECT IN THE DESIGN DISTRICT. THANKS FOR HAVING ME. SO THIS IS OUR GENERAL, UH, PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE STEPS FROM ONE TO FOUR, STARTING WITH, UH, DESIGN AND RESEARCH. THEN WE ACTUALLY, UH, WORK UP THE SCOPE AND, UM, DESIGN WITH THE ARTISTS, THE PRELIMINARY PROPOSALS. THEN WE HAVE THE ARTIST SELECTION. SO THIS HAS ALL BEEN COMPLETED. WE ARE READY TO GO UNDER CONTRACT AT THIS POINT WITH THE SELECTED ARTIST SELECTED BY, UH, THE PUBLIC ART SELECTION PANEL. UH, THE ISSUE IS THAT WHEN THIS CALL WAS ISSUED, THAT WAS DECEMBER, 2025. EVER SINCE JANUARY, THE ALUMINUM PRICES HAVE JUMPED TREMENDOUSLY. SO THEY HAVE GONE ABOUT 30% UP, THEN DOWN ANOTHER 10%. SO THERE'S A VOLATILITY THERE. AND THAT HAS CREATED ISSUES, UH, WITH THE ARTIST BEING ABLE TO SIGN THE CONTRACT BECAUSE THEIR FABRICATORS AT THE MOMENT CAN ONLY HOLD A, UM, AN ESTIMATE FOR THE ALUMINUM FOR ABOUT THREE TO FOUR DAYS. SO FOR THIS PROJECT HERE, THIS IS THE SELECTED ARTIST, MARK FORS OUT OF BROOKLYN. UH, HIS PROJECT IS CALLED NOT QUITE GROWN, NOT QUITE BUILT, AND IT'S FULLY MADE OUT OF ALUMINUM. SO VERY, VERY, UH, EASY MAINTENANCE. HE HAS EITHER POWER COAT POWDER COATING OR WHAT WE PREFER SOME HAND PAINTED COLOR ON IT. UM, WE HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED WITH JOHN REYNOLDS TO LEAVE THAT SECTION FREE WHERE WE'LL INSTALL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PLAZA. SO WE ARE READY TO GO UNDER CONTRACT. BASICALLY WHAT WE WOULD REQUEST, AND I DUNNO IF WE HAVE A SLIDE FOR THAT. THERE WE GO. WE DON'T, WE GOT, WHAT WE WOULD REQUEST IS A, UM, WE HAVE 220 FROM THE OFFICE OF ARTS AND CULTURE. THE PIT HAS GENEROUSLY THANK YOU TO CHARLOTTE AGAIN, KICKED IN WITH A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO GET THIS VERY, VERY, UH, SIGNIFICANT ART PIECE FROM A SIGNIFICANT SCULPTOR. SO WHAT WE WOULD REQUEST NOW IS ANOTHER 80,000 AS A CONTINGENCY. SO WE HAVE A MATERIAL PROJECT OF, UM, BUDGET. OBVIOUSLY IN OUR BUDGET, WE ARE REQUESTING UP TO 80,000 TO BASICALLY, UH, CATCH UP THE MARKET DEPENDING ON HOW IT, IT, IT MOVES BECAUSE IT IS SO VOLATILE. ONCE THE ARTIST GOES UNDER CONTRACT, THEIR PRICE FOR THE, WITH THE FABRICATOR WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE LOCKED IN. BUT UNTIL THEN, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD, WE REQUEST THIS 80,000 AMOUNT. AND SO, I GUESS NEXT STEPS, UM, YOU KNOW, AFTER THIS WOULD BE THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE, UM, DISCUSSED THE ARTIST ELECTION, BUT DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO FORMALLY VOTE. SO THAT IS, UM, COMING UP OCTOBER 6TH. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, UPON THAT APPROVAL, THEY WOULD GO THROUGH THE CONTRACTING PROCESS, OFFICE OF RISK MANAGEMENT. SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING TODAY IS, UM, TO, UM, YOU KNOW, APPROVE THAT CONTINGENCY OF UP TO 80,000, WHICH IS OF COURSE, UM, DEPENDENT ON THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE FORMALLY VOTING, UM, FOR THIS ARTIST SELECTION. BUT WE WANNA KIND OF KEEP THE PROCESS MOVING FORWARD GIVEN THAT IT'S AT LEAST A 14 MONTH, UM, IF NOT LONGER TIMEFRAME FOR THIS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? DOES ANYBODY WANT US TO GO BACK TO ANY PARTICULAR SLIDES? WE JUST KIND OF BREEZE THROUGH THEM, BUT WE DID TURN THIS OVER IN ADVANCE. ANY, ANY QUESTIONS, UM, FROM [00:25:01] THE GROUP, UM, RELATIVE TO SABINE'S, UM, PRESENTATION? I, I DID HAVE A QUESTION, UM, RELATIVE TO THE, UH, ARTIST, UH, IS, IS THERE A, A PERCENTAGE OF A CHANCE, WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE THAT WE MIGHT NOT GO WITH MARK? IS, IS HE PRETTY MUCH LOCKED IN? IS IT JUST A FORMALITY? BUT NO, HE'S LOGGED IN. OKAY. IT'S A FORMALITY AT THIS POINT. SO WE HAD THE SELECTION PANEL, THEY SELECTED FROM OVER 160 SUBMISSIONS. WE HAD THREE PROPOSALS. UH, AND THEY, THIS IS VOTED ON, SO THIS IS OKAY, WILL NOT CHANGE ANYMORE. AND HE HAS COMMITTED HIMSELF TO THE PROCESS. HE WILL NOT INCREASE HIS FEES, UH, NO MATTER HOW LONG THIS PROCESS MIGHT TAKE. HE IS JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE MATERIAL COSTS AT THIS POINT. THE MATERIAL. OKAY. SO THE FOCUS HERE IS, IS IS CONTINGENCY SPECIFIC, SO THE FLUCTUATION OF THE MARKET. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. OKAY. UM, WITH THAT, UH, UH, ONE MORE TIME, UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE, UH, GROUP BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION. SO, SO WE'RE VOTING TO APPROVE THE 80,000 CONTINGENCY FUNDS DUE TO THE INCREASE IN ALUMINUM COSTS. YEAH, THE UNCERTAINTY. SO IF WE DON'T, IF THEY DON'T NEED THE FUNDING, THEN WE WON'T PROVIDE, SO IT'S OKAY. OKAY. SO IT'S CONTINGENT ON THE COST OF ALUMINUM, BASICALLY. YES, YES. CORRECT. IT'S THE MARKET VOLATIL AT THE MOMENT. YEP. OKAY. IT SOUNDS REASONABLE TO ME. IT SOUNDS REASONABLE, RIGHT? YEAH, I AGREE. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WE'LL MOVE, UH, MOTION. YEAH, APPROVE. SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. LET'S SEE WHAT THE MARKET DOES. YOU, YOU BETTER BUY YOUR ALUMINUM FOIL NOW, RIGHT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SAVE IT, SELL IT. HAD THE COSTCO RIGHT AFTER THIS, RIGHT? AWESOME. WE GOTTA LAUGH THROUGH IT SOMETIMES. YEAH. UM, OKAY. UM, THIS IS QUITE SWIFT, SO THANK YOU ALL. UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, I'LL SWITCH BACK OVER AGAIN. LET'S SEE. DO I HAVE TO DO THE SHARING AGAIN? YEAH. OKAY. I CAN SEE IT. OH, HERE WE GO. [6. Briefing Item: Discussion on strategic planning for the sunset of the Design District TIF District.] SO, UM, LAST THING, UM, FOR DISCUSSION TODAY IS WE, UM, THOSE OF YOU THAT CAME TO OUR, THE MAY MEETING THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM FOR, WE DID KIND OF TALK ABOUT THIS BRIEFLY, BUT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM IN MAY, WE DIDN'T FORMALLY GET INTO, UM, A DISCUSSION ABOUT STRATEGIC PLANNING FOR THE SUNSET OF THE DISTRICT, BUT DID WANNA GET THE BOARD, UM, KIND OF REENGAGED ON THIS TOPIC. UM, THE TIP DISTRICT IS SCHEDULED THE SUNSET AT THE END OF 2027. SO THE IDEA IS TO TRY TO, GIVEN THAT WE WILL HAVE SOME RESOURCES AVAILABLE TOWARDS THE END OF THE LIFE OF THE DISTRICT, AS TO LOOK AT WHAT IMPORTANT PROJECTS MIGHT WE WANNA CONSIDER, UM, FUNDING, UM, IN A STRATEGY AS WE SUNSET THE DISTRICT. UM, SO I'LL JUST KIND OF QUICKLY GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. UM, THE TIP DISTRICT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2005. WE HAD A BOUNDARY AMENDMENT IN 2013. UM, AS I SAID, IT'S SCHEDULED TO TERMINATE AT THE END OF NEXT YEAR, AND THEN WE WILL HAVE THE FINAL, UM, CALENDAR YEAR 2028 COLLECTION OF INCREMENT. UM, THE DISTRICT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL. WE'VE HAD LIKE 1.4 BILLION IN INCREASED VALUE, ABOUT 500% OVER THE BASE. UM, WE HAVE HAD, UM, THREE OTHERS, TIP DISTRICT SUNSET. SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH A PROCESS, UM, SIMILAR TO THIS WITH STATE THOMAS CITY PLACE AND CEDARS, WHERE WE DID WORK WITH THE BOARD AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS TO STAKE, IDENTIFY A FINAL SET OF PROJECTS AND KIND OF AN IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGY. SO AS LONG AS WE HAVE FUNDING COMMITTED, UM, THE ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION OF THOSE PROJECTS, THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS AND OTHER THINGS CAN, UM, OCCUR AFTERWARDS. WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE, UM, THE COMMITMENTS MADE BEFORE THE DISTRICT ENDS. AND THEN ANY UNALLOCATED FUNDS EITHER GET RETURNED TO CITY AND COUNTY GENERAL FUNDS, OR POTENTIALLY DISTRIBUTED TO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT FUND, WHICH WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR, UM, TARGET AREA CITYWIDE. BUT THAT'S SUBJECT [00:30:01] TO ANNUAL, UM, APPROVAL BY CITY COUNCIL. SO, UM, AS I MENTIONED, THE, THE A REALLY IS TO COME UP WITH STRATEGIC PLAN, UM, AND IDEALLY A PRIORITY RANKING OF, UM, PROJECTS AND ALTERNATIVES. UM, SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS, UM, IS WE DID HAVE SOME DISTRICT-WIDE IMPROVEMENT GUIDELINES APPROVED BY THE BOARD IN 2015 THAT LOOKED AT THINGS LIKE WHETHER A PROJECT LEVERAGES OTHER FUNDS THAT HAS A SOURCE OF MATCHING FUNDS. IF EITHER CITY DEPARTMENTS OR PRIVATE PARTNERS HAVE THE CAPACITY TO MANAGE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. WILL THOSE PROJECTS, UM, PROVIDE, UM, MISSING PEDESTRIAN OPEN SPACE LINKAGES? WILL THEY CONNECT, UH, MULTIPLE DEVELOPMENTS AND HUBS OF ACTIVITY IN THE DISTRICT? UM, WILL THOSE PROJECTS SUPPORT THINGS LIKE, UM, THE TRINITY RIVER CORRIDOR PROJECT, UM, OTHER AMENITIES IN THE DISTRICT LIKE THE DALLAS CONTEMPORARY? SO A FEW OF THE PRELIMINARY PROJECT IDEAS, UM, ONE WOULD BE TO EXPAND WAY FINDING AND SIGNAGE IN THE DISTRICT. UM, THERE'S A NUMBER OF CORRIDORS, PARTICULARLY HIGH LINE AND A LITTLE BIT OF TURTLE CREEK AND OAK LAWN THAT HAVE THESE, UM, GATEWAY MARKERS AND WAY FINDING SIGNS. BUT ONE POTENTIAL PROJECT WOULD BE TO EXPAND FURTHER INTO SOME OF THE OTHER STREETS THAT HAVE NOT HAD THE SIGNAGE. UM, ANOTHER, UM, IDEA. WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS RECENTLY WITH THE FRIENDS OF THE TRINITY STRAND TRAIL ON TRYING TO DO SOME ENHANCEMENTS TO SOME AREAS ALONG THE TRAIL. LIKE ONE EXAMPLE HERE IS THE EXISTING PLAZA ON TURTLE CREEK BOULEVARD BETWEEN MARKET CENTER AND IRVING. THERE IS A PLAZA THERE, IT'S GOT AN IVY MARKER, BUT THE PLAZA ITSELF DOESN'T HAVE ANY SHADE. IT'S STARTING TO LOOK A LITTLE TIRED. SO THERE'S SOME EARLY CONCEPTS FOR HOW YOU MIGHT ADD SHADE STRUCTURES, MAYBE SOME TREES, SOME BRICK PAVERS. SO THAT'S ANOTHER, UM, CONCEPT THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING SOME CONVERSATIONS ON. AND THEN ANOTHER, UM, CONCEPT LAST TIME WE HAD, UM, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT STAFF HERE TO TALK ABOUT SOME CONCEPTS FOR HOW TO MAKE, UM, SLOCUM AND DRAGON STREET MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, MORE COHESIVE. UM, WE'RE GONNA LET THEM KIND OF PREVIEW THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. BUT I THINK THE GOAL IS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, INTRODUCE THIS TO THE BOARD AND THEN POTENTIALLY A WIDER AUDIENCE. AND THE REASON WE KIND OF HONED IN ON SLOGAN AND DRAGON IS BECAUSE TRYING TO KIND OF CONNECT THE DOTS IN THE DISTRICT, BECAUSE YOU HAVE ON FOR SLOGAN ON ONE END, YOU'VE GOT THE CABANA MIXED INCOME PROJECT THAT'S OPENED UP. YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF BUSINESSES ALONG WITH CORRIDORS, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT HUBS OF ACTIVITY CLOSER TO OAK LAWN WITH THE SEA, AND ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENED AT, UM, OAK LAWN AND, AND HIGHLINE, AND HOW YOU KIND OF CONNECT THE DISTRICT IN A MORE UNIFIED FASHION. SO IN TERMS OF TIMELINE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION HERE WITH THE BOARD TO GET YOUR, YOUR FEEDBACK AND IN OTHER IDEAS. UM, WE'VE STARTED TO TALK ABOUT, UM, THE IDEA OF HAVING A BROADER STAKEHOLDER, UM, MEETING, SOME ENGAGEMENT, MAYBE A WORKSHOP TYPE MEETING WHERE WE INVITE THE BOARD MAJOR DEVELOPERS, PROPERTY OWNERS, BUSINESSES, OTHER CIVIC GROUPS IN THE AREA TO, TO COME TOGETHER IN A MEETING TO START TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE STRATEGY TO BROADER LEVEL AND THEN, UM, TOUCH BASE WITH THE BOARD AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND THEN EARLY NEXT YEAR. AND THEN IDEALLY WE WOULD, UM, FORMALIZE THE STRATEGY BY MID 2027. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE OVERVIEW. DON, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANNA SHARE? UH, ACTUALLY, UH, I'M SORRY, I HAD TROUBLE HEADACHE. THAT'S WHY I CAN'T. OKAY. OKAY. UH, DAVE ACTUALLY HAS A, OKAY, SO I'M GONNA STOP. THERE'S EXTRA TIME. YES. SO I'M GONNA LET, UM, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT STAFF TAKE A DEEPER DIVE INTO THEIR CONCEPT FOR SLOCUM AND DRAGON. UM, SO I SURE WAS ON THE CALL AS WELL AS, AND I'M HEARING, SO CAN YOU ALL HEAR DON? CAN YOU ALL HEAR DON? OKAY? YES, YES, WE CAN. YEAH. AND, AND SUE, UM, THANKS FOR INTRODUCING, UH, THE WORK. UH, I, THERE'S NOT MUCH MORE TO ADD ON MY PART, ALTHOUGH DAVEY AND DON ARE GONNA GO QUICKLY THROUGH, UM, THE TWO CONCEPTS FOR SLOCUM AND DRAGON. I DID WANNA SAY THAT THE WORK IS BASED ON, UM, TRYING TO, UH, AS SUE SAID, MAKE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THOSE TWO STREETS. BUT REALLY, UH, WHAT, WHAT WE ALSO DID WAS TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE, THE MULTITUDE OF CONSTRAINTS ALONG THOSE TWO EXISTING CORRIDORS. UM, THINGS LIKE, UM, PARKING, [00:35:01] UTILITIES, UM, SERVICE DOORS WHERE THEY EXIST, AND THEN LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES NOT ONLY TO, TO CONNECT, UM, PEDESTRIANS TO THOSE IMPROVEMENTS FURTHER NORTH LIKE HIGHLINE AND, AND THE, AND THE TRINITY STRAND. UM, BUT ALSO THINKING ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY AND STORM WATER MANAGEMENT. SO, UM, WHENEVER DAVEY'S READY, I THINK HE'S GONNA KICK IT OFF FIRST AND THEN, AND THEN DON WILL TALK, UH, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SECOND HALF OF THE PROJECT. CAN YOU GUYS SEE MY SCREEN? UH, WE DID FOR A SECOND. HOW ABOUT NOW? THERE IT IS. YEAH. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING US. UH, REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON TO YOU GUYS. WE'LL JUMP RIGHT INTO IT. SO, AS ARTURO JUST ALLUDED TO, THERE ARE A LOT OF, UH, INTERESTING AND INNOVATIVE, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IN THE DISTRICT. AND THE DISTRICT ALSO BENEFITS FROM A VERY UNIQUE URBAN FORM IN ITS DENSITY AND ITS BUILDING MAKEUP THAT CAN REALLY BE LEVERAGED TO, UH, BRING EVERYTHING TOGETHER THAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN THE DESIGN DISTRICT AND USING SLOGAN AND DRAGON AS THE ORGANIZING, UH, CORRIDORS FOR THAT. UM, WE CAN SEE HOW LOC AND DRAGON REALLY BECOME THE INTRODUCTION TO THE DISTRICT COMING FROM DOWNTOWN, UH, COMING FROM THE, UH, THE SOUTH AND EAST AND HOW IT REALLY ORGANIZES EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON, UM, FROM THAT AREA UP UNTIL TURTLE CREEK. AND THERE ARE THESE NODES THAT ARE ESTABLISHED BY ITS, UM, EXISTING URBAN FORM THAT CREATE A LOT OF NEXUS POINTS TO BE LEVERAGED AND A SYNERGY BETWEEN THE TWO CORRIDORS THAT CAN AMPLIFY THE EXPERIENCES FOR THE BUSINESSES AND THE RESIDENTS. UH, SO TO SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT SLOCUM STREET, UH, I'M GONNA LET DON KIND OF GO THROUGH, UH, HOW WE LEVERAGE THESE NODES, UM, AS WELL AS BALANCE THE CONSTRAINTS ARTURO ALLUDED, ALLUDED TO, TO CREATE A PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE THAT, UM, TO REALLY AMPLIFY WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CORRIDOR. OKAY. YOU MIGHT WANT BE YOU MIND MAXIMIZING THE SCREEN. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SOMETIMES OUR SPEED LIMIT DOESN'T ALWAYS PICK UP. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. UM, THIS ONE'S GREAT FOR US. I MEAN, OUR DESIGNERS, WE LOOKED AT THIS, UH, CORRIDOR VERY CAREFULLY AND, UH, VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT AS WELL. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT, WE LOOKED AT PER SECTION. THERE'S A LOT OF, THIS IS ACTUALLY A LOT OF DIFFERENT DRAWINGS PUT TOGETHER FOR JUST SLOCUM ITSELF. AND WE ALSO GET INTO DRAGON AS WELL. BUT WHAT WE SEE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY LOOK AT THIS CORRIDOR DIFFERENTLY. UH, WHAT WE KIND OF HATE TO SAY IN SUCH A WAY, IT KINDA LOOKS LIKE A CONTINUOUS LOADING DOCK, IT SAYS, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK CONSIDERATE, MORE LIKE A STOREFRONT OPERATION SO IT FEELS WELCOMING TO PEOPLE TO VISIT. AND SO THAT, UH, WE, WE ACTUALLY TALKED TO A FEW OF THE OWNERS IN THE AREA AND REALIZED THAT THERE USED TO BE EVENTS AND THERE USED TO BE THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE WANNA KIND OF BRING THAT SENSE OF COMMUNITY BACK. NEXT SLIDE, DAVID. SO, YOU KNOW, AS IS TODAY, WE, WE SEE IT, UH, IT'S VERY, VERY ROBUST AMOUNT OF PAVEMENT. THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY ACTUALLY GOES FOR A LARGE PART OF THIS IS, IS FROM BUILDING FACE TO BUILDING FACE. SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN HERE IS ACTUALLY THE CITY OF DALLAS PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. SO HOW CAN WE MAKE THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY WORK MORE EQUITABLY FOR PEDESTRIANS, UH, AND OTHER PEOPLE AND SHOPPERS AND WHATNOT. NEXT SLIDE. THIS SAW BEFORE AND SORT OF AN AFTER. SO, UH, WE LOOKED AT HOW WE CAN MAYBE LOOK AT THE ROAD EXCEPTION ITSELF, REDUCING IT SENSE, BUT ALSO STILL MAKE IT WORK WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH LOADING OPERATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL. BUT INSTEAD OF JUST HAVING SORT OF AN UNDEFINED PARKING AREA, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE A MATERIAL CHANGE AND, UH, A SIDE WE'RE ABLE TO EXPAND THE SIDEWALK UP AROUND EIGHT FEET OR MORE. SO IT, IT'S, IT'S IN SOME CASES WE DON'T HAVE A SIDEWALK, SO WE REALLY STRESSED TO MAKE SURE WE WORKED WITH THE UTILITIES. WE COULDN'T JUST ALIGN THIS WITH TREES BECAUSE WE KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF POWER LINES. SO WE HAD TO FIND OTHER SURFACES AND MATERIALS, UH, TO DO SOME SIMILAR EFFECT BY COOLING THE ENVIRONMENT BY DIFFERENT TYPES OF PAVEMENT. JUST AN IDEA WE COULD, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS IN THAT REGARD. NEXT SLIDE, DAVY. WE WENT AHEAD AND INCLUDE YOUR BANNERS. UH, THIS IS FURTHER DOWN, UH, UH, LOCUM OVER BY THE, THE FRENCH INTERIOR STORE. THAT'S ACTUALLY WHERE WE TALKED TO A LOT OF FOLKS AND WE REALIZED, WE LOOKED AT IT VERY, VERY CAREFULLY WHERE ALL THE LOADING DOCKS ARE, WHERE ALL THE UTILITIES ARE, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT'S WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAYS. AND THAT'S THE BEFORE AND THEN THAT'S AFTER. AND SO THE AFTER WE USED TO GET, YOU KNOW, SAME THINGS, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO EXPAND THE WALKWAYS, UM, AGAIN TO MAKE IT FEEL LIKE THE SIDEWALK IS ONE TYPE OF, OF AMENITY AND THE PARKING'S ANOTHER, AND THE STREET ITSELF. SO AGAIN, REDUCED IT TO 26 FEET IN WIDTH, UM, BASICALLY INSTEAD OF IT BEING 36. SO YOU CAN DO A LOT OF THAT AMOUNT OF SPACE, UH, BUT WHEN PARKING IS REAL DEEP, YOU CAN GO. DAVID, YOU MIND GOING BACK ONE? I'M SORRY. JUST LOOK AT [00:40:01] THIS VAN. YOU SEE HOW YOU HAVE ALL THIS SPACE HERE? UH, YOU KNOW, MOST CARS ONLY NEED 18, 20 FEET. SO WE TOOK THAT SPACE BEHIND THAT VAN AND PUT IT TO THE SIDEWALK AND BACK AGAIN, FORWARD AGAIN. MAYBE. SO THAT'S HOW THAT WORKED. THAT'S HOW IT SHIFTED. SO YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF PARKING, BUT WE JUST ADDED ALL THAT. AND WHEN IT'S BETTER ORGANIZED RIGHT NOW, IT'S A FREE FORCE. IT'S, YEAH, EXACTLY. RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S, BUT THIS, THIS REALLY HELPS TO DEFINE THE WALKABILITY OF, OF SLOCUM. AND WE DID THE SAME THING FOR DRAGONS. NEXT SLIDE. UM, OH, I'M SORRY. THIS IS, YOU KNOW, DAVID AND I CAN'T HELP BUT TO LOOK BEHIND THE BUSINESS. WE KNOW THAT THESE, THESE SPACES, SOME OF 'EM ARE OWNED BY THE CITY, SOME ARE OWNED BY ENCORE, SOME ARE PRIVATELY OWNED. UH, IF THEY'RE UNDERUTILIZED LIKE THIS, UH, COULD IT BE POSSIBLE HYPOTHETICALLY AS, AS A CONCEPT, COULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO IN INCORPORATE THAT? 'CAUSE WE REALIZE THAT CYCLING ON SLOCUM AND DRAGGING ARE REALLY DANGEROUS. 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T EXACTLY RIDE A BICYCLE WITH A CAR BACKING UP. UH, SO, UH, THERE'S, IT'S, IT'S KINDA LIKE GOING THROUGH A PARKING LOT IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF AN IDENTITY IDEA. SIMPLE LITTLE THINGS. COULD THIS 50 FOOT WIDE SPACE BE USED AS SOMETHING ELSE? THIS IS JUST CONCEPTS GUYS. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, HOW COULD IT POSSIBLY BE UTILIZED INTO SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE WE STRUGGLE WITH THE IDEA OF HOW TO GET THE CYCLE IN ON SLOPE ITSELF, OR WE'RE NOT AGAINST THE IDEA OF CYCLING. NEXT SLIDE. I'M GONNA TRY AND MOVE A LITTLE QUICKER. SO, UH, THIS IS THE MITIGATION STRATEGY ITSELF. SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS PERVIOUS SURFACES. AND I'VE ALREADY GOT A FULL LIST OF MATERIALS AND WORKED WITH SOME FOLKS OUTTA DC UH, NONPROFIT, NOT SALES, AND FIGURED OUT HOW WE CAN GET THIS MUCH, YOU CAN SEE 28 FEET WORTH OF, OF OF WATER BEING ABLE TO PENETRATE THROUGH THE SOIL ITSELF. THE PROBLEM WITH SLOCUM, IT'S RIGHT ON TOP OF WHERE THE TRAIN USED TO BE. SO IT IS, IT IS LITERALLY A FLOOD PRONE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT TYPE OF HISTORY FOR CAP. AND LOOKING AT THE THINGS THAT WE DID IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, COULD THIS POSSIBLY BE A CATALYST FOR MITIGATION STRATEGIES? BUT WHEN WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THIS, WE REDUCED THE PERVIOUS, WHICH IS FERGUS MATERIALS FOR WATER GOES THROUGH AND IT HELPS. COOL. AND WE LOOKED AT THE IMPERIOUS, WHICH IS JUST ASPHALT OR CONCRETE, AND WE GOT TO THIS HIGH PERCENTAGE OF THAT. IT ACTUALLY, UH, FROM OUR CALCULATIONS, UH, IT REDUCES THE, THE URBAN HEAT OUTLET INDEX BY ABOUT FIVE DEGREES. SO IF IT'S A HUNDRED DEGREE DAY OUT HERE, IT'S A 95 DEGREES, FEELS LIKE NINE FIVE HERE. THAT'S BECAUSE WE KNOW WE CAN'T LOAD THIS WITH TREES. BUT WHEREVER WE CAN HAVE, WHEN WE EXTEND IT, UH, WALK THIS ALL THE WAY OUT INTO WHERE THE STREET USED TO BE, WE CAN PUT TREES WHERE IT DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH THE POWER LINES ITSELF. SO IT'S A CONCEPT THAT'S SLOCUM. NEXT SLIDE. THE SAME THING. DRAGON PROVIDES THE SAME TYPE OF OPPORTUNITY TO ORGANIZE ITSELF ALONG, UH, THE SERIES OF NODES TO BRING SYNERGY TO SLOCUM AND SOME OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS THAT EXIST IN THIS AREA. SO, UM, YES, AGAIN, IT LOOKS ALMOST THE SAME. WE REALIZED THAT'S THE CASE, BUT WE, WE TECH, WHEN DAVID AND I WENT THROUGH THIS, WE, WE SPENT SOME TIME ABOUT THE SITE ITSELF, BUT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY GO THROUGH IT, WE REALIZE, YOU KNOW, THESE TREES ARE NOT JUST RANDOM. THEY'RE ACTUALLY VERY SPECIFICALLY PLACED. UH, THE FIRST STREET WE HAD 58 TREES ADDED TO THE LOCUM ITSELF. I FORGOT HOW MANY ON THIS ONE. I'M SORRY. BUT NEXT SLIDE. MAYBE IT GETS ALL THE WAY TO, UH, LAWN. UH, SO THERE'S A BEFORE AND THIS IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF COAL. AGAIN, LOTS OF PAVEMENT, BUT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT IT, COULD YOU HAVE PUBLIC ART OPPORTUNITIES? COULD YOU HAVE SOME, UH, TYPE OF IDENTITY ITSELF? WE, YOU KNOW, JUST AS A PLACEHOLDER, MAYBE I KIND OF CAME UP WITH SLOW DRAGON , SORT OF A, YOU KNOW, COMBINATION OF SLOW SLOGAN AND DRAGON. BUT YOU KNOW, REALLY THIS DOES WORK. IT LOOKS LIKE A PRETTY DRAWING, BUT ACTUALLY THIS IS THE ABILITY TO TAKE ALL THAT, UH, EXCESSIVE SURPLUS PAVEMENT AND TURN IT INTO MORE OF AN AMEN ITSELF. ALLOW THE CARS TO HAVE SOME SHADE PARKING, ALLOW PEOPLE TO WALK THROUGH HERE. THE NEXT SLIDE, DIVVY, UH, THIS OTHER ONE TOO IS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER UP THE STREET. UH, WANTED TO SEE A SORT OF A BEFORE AND AFTER. THIS WAS ACTUALLY PRETTY TIGHT, BUT BECAUSE WE HAD SOME, SOME SPACE ON THE, UH, EAST SIDE, WE'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO GET THE SIDEWALK TO BE MUCH WIDER OVER HERE, CLOSER TO OAK LAWN. AND SO AGAIN, THE IDEA IS IF YOU HAVE A GOOD SIDEWALK AND YOU HAVE DEFINED PARKING AND YOU HAVE SHADE, UH, THE COMBINATION OF WHICH WE HOPE TO BE MORE OF A STOREFRONT OPERATION AND REALLY GET PEOPLE OUT HERE AND WE REALLY FLOAT THE IDEA THAT'S, SO WE USED TO HAVE, I THINK THAT'S IT. DAVE, IS THERE ANYMORE? I THINK THIS IS LAST SLIDE. SAME SECTION. LAST SLIDE. LAST SLIDE THERE. OKAY. AND THAT, AND THAT SAME SIMILAR SITUATION TOO. UH, AGAIN, WE WERE ABLE TO COOL THE TEMP TEMPERATURES DOWN BY JUST USING THESE TYPE OF MATERIALS. UM, WE KNOW WE CAN'T PUT TREES EVERYWHERE, BUT WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO HELP COOL THE ENVIRONMENT AND TO ENTICE THE IDEA OF IT, WE THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY, NOT JUST FOR THIS DISTRICT, BUT FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS. I'LL STOP AT THAT. YEAH, WE GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION. [00:45:01] ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, DAVID? YEAH. UM, REALLY GOOD PRESENTATION AND THANK YOU ALL FOR TAKING THE TIME, UH, TO BE HERE. UM, ANY, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS, UH, FROM THE GROUP? I WAS JUST GONNA SAY SOMETHING. I JUST WANTED TO COMMEND YOU GUYS. I THINK THE WORK IS REALLY WELL DONE. I ALSO WANTED TO SAY AS, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS ON DRAGON AND SLOCUM, WE ARE BRINGING SOME USES TO THE COMMUNITY. LIKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, UH, PADEL, IT'S NOT, IT'S CALLED PODELL HOUSE. IT'S KIND OF A CLUB, BUT ANYONE CAN GO. SO IT'S GONNA BE GREAT FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GO FROM THE TRAIL TO WALK THERE. OH, GREAT. SO WE THINK THAT THIS IS, YEAH, WE THINK THIS IS SUPER IMPORTANT AND WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY, REALLY SUPPORTIVE AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED. YOU GUYS DID A REALLY GREAT JOB. SO, UM, WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS KUDOS FOR THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, AND WE'LL LOOK INTO GRANT OPPORTUNITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, . YEAH, SO FOR THE BOARD, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO SHOWCASE THIS TODAY, GET YOUR FEEDBACK AND SEE IF, YOU KNOW, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN HAVING STAFF WORK, YOU KNOW, TO STUDY FURTHER. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE COSTING THIS OUT. HAVING THAT COMMUNITY WORKSHOP WHERE WE, YOU KNOW, GET TOUCH BASE WITH PROPERTY OWNERS AND BUSINESSES THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IMPACTED BY THIS, UM, COORDINATION MAYBE WITH TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS. YOU KNOW, OVERHEAD UTILITIES ARE A CHALLENGE. IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF THEM MM-HMM . AND UNLESS WE FOUND A WAY TO DO A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE BY THE LOOP AND OTHERS, IT'S JUST VERY, VERY CHALLENGING. SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE JUST HAVE TO WORK AROUND THOSE BEING THERE. UM, THAT'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, STILL A CONVERSATION TO BE HAD, BUT JUST REALLY KIND OF WANTED TO OPEN THIS UP TODAY AND, UM, SEE IF THE BOARD WAS COMFORTABLE WITH THIS CONCEPT, AND THEN WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD AND START HAVING MORE CONVERSATIONS AND, UM, DOING MORE RESEARCH AND COSTING AND THAT TYPE OF THING. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I THINK, UM, OUT OF, OUT OF THE THREE KIND OF CATEGORIES THAT YOU GUYS DISPLAYED AS FAR AS THE SLOCUM AND DRAGON, UH, STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS, THEN THERE'S ALSO THE SIGNAGE IN GATEWAYS AND THE OTHER, I THINK THAT THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE THE MOST, THE BIGGEST PRIORITY AND BEST USE OF FUNDS THAT MAY BE AVAILABLE TOWARDS THE END. UM, AGAIN, WE HAVE THE LITTLE TRAILS AND THINGS LIKE THAT HERE, BUT THIS WOULD MAKE IT A TRUE DESTINATION SPOT. THERE ARE RESTAURANTS OR SHOPS THAT PEOPLE COME TO, BUT IT'S ONE IN, ONE OUT. MM-HMM . AND I THINK THAT THIS WOULD ALLOW IT TO BE ITS OWN LITTLE, UM, YOU KNOW, DESTINATION WHERE YOU CAN PARK AND ACTUALLY WALK THROUGH, OR FOR THE RESIDENTS NEARBY TO HAVE SOMETHING TO KIND OF DO, UM, AS THEY'RE OUT THERE ON THEIR LEISURE. SO GREAT FOR QUALITY OF LIFE AND A GREAT WAY TO BE FORWARD THINKING WITH ALL OF THE, UM, MITIGATION STRATEGIES. SO I MEAN, I, I COULDN'T BE MORE PROUD TO EVEN SEE THIS BEING SOMETHING FOR, FOR US TO HAVE HERE IN DALLAS. SO WAY TO BE AHEAD OF IT. I THINK SOMETIMES DALLAS CAN BE A LITTLE BEHIND ON THOSE, UM, THOUGHT PROCESSES. SO THIS IS REALLY GOOD TO SEE. YEAH. WELL, WELL SAID. UH, NICOLE, UM, I ALSO WANT TO ADD, I, I LIKE THE TERM, I THINK DAVEY USED IT, UM, AN ORGANIZING CORRIDOR, UM, WHICH SIMPLY MEANS THAT THERE'S AN OVERARCHING STRATEGY, UM, TO THE DESIGN EFFORT, UH, PUN INTENDED, RELATIVE TO THE DISTRICT. UM, I ALSO, UH, WANNA POINT OUT, YOU KNOW, OF, SO OFTENTIMES I WAS JUST, I, I'VE BEEN TRAVELING A LOT AND YOU SEE PROJECTS IN CITIES THAT SEEM LIKE THEY'RE UNFINISHED. UM, IT'S LIKE THEY STARTED WITH A REALLY GOOD IDEA. UM, AND THEN FOR WHATEVER REASON, IT JUST KIND OF STOPS MM-HMM . AND SO I THINK THIS CONCEPT KIND OF PUTS A NICE BOW, UH, ON THIS OVERALL, UH, EFFORT. UM, UM, AND, AND I LIVE IN THE AREA, DRIVE UP AND DOWN THE STREETS, AND SO I WANT TO ALSO COMMEND YOU FOR THINKING ABOUT IT DIFFERENTLY RELATIVE TO THE BEAUTIFICATION, BUT ALSO THE PUBLIC ACCESS AND THE WALKING. UM, WHICH AGAIN GIVES IT AN INTIMATE DISTRICT, UH, KIND OF, OF FEEL SO VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT. UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT THIS WILL PUT A NICE KIND OF BOW ON THE WORK, UM, THAT HAS BEEN DONE, UH, RELATIVE TO THIS DISTRICT. YEAH. I THINK ONE OF THE PRACTICAL CONSIDERATIONS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLY ON WAS THE BUSINESSES AND NOT LOSING PARKING. AND SO THIS WAY THEY DON'T LOSE PARKING. THEY MAY POTENTIALLY GAIN PARKING BY BEING BETTER ORGANIZED INSTEAD OF THIS FREE FOR ALL. YEAH. WE DID ACTUALLY GAIN PARKING. WE DID, WE FOUND, WE FOUND BETTER OPPORTUNITIES FOR THESE ORGANIZED, SO I DID HAVE A QUESTION. UM, THE LOADING MM-HMM . FOR LOCUM, UH, AND, UH, DRAGON IS THAT FRONT STORE LOADING? SOME OF IT IS MOST MOST OF IT. [00:50:01] SO WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, A TRUCK COULD BE ABLE TO BACKEND. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. UH, BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK WHEN YOU DEFINE THE PARKING, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU GET IT, YOU KNOW, CARS, WHEN CARS PROBABLY DON'T PARK ANYWHERE ANYWAY WITH WHATEVER, A LOT OF THOSE LINES, THEY'LL DO WHATEVER. SO THIS WOULD REALLY MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT FOR THE LOADING OPERATIONS. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF HOPING THAT SOME LOADING HAPPENS OFF WEEK HOURS AS POSSIBLE. GOTCHA. SO BILITIES MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE CONTINUOUS WALKABILITY AND, AND, AND, UH, POTENTIAL PRE TRAFFIC AS WELL, SO, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. WE, WE, THIS WAS, UH, WE REALLY APPRECIATE SUE'S, YOU KNOW, GIVING US TO NO, NO, THIS IS, THIS IS GOOD. UM, ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER COMMENTS WHILE WE HAVE, UM, UH, THE EXPERTS AT HAND? QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON THE 50 FOOT OPEN SPACE WHERE THERE WAS A, A POTENTIAL, A DESIGN FOR, UM, A CYCLING PATH, IS THAT JUST GONNA BE STRICTLY CYCLING OR WILL IT ALSO BE PEDESTRIAN SECTION? IT, IT, IT, IT COULD BE A HYBRID OF BOTH. I THINK THAT WE LOOKED AT HOW WE CAN BASE DAVID, YOU CAN ANSWER THAT TOO. BUT BASICALLY WE THOUGHT THAT, UH, BECAUSE WE HAD SUCH STRUGGLES WITH THE CYCLING OPERATIONS, UH, IT SORT OF SPLITS THE BABY GOING BETWEEN SLOPE AND DRAGON ITSELF. AND SO WE THOUGHT THAT IF YOU COULD, UH, AND GRANTED THIS, SOME OF THIS WOULD BE GOING THROUGH PARKING LOTS, PRIVATE PARKING LOTS MM-HMM . BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, UM, ANY WAY HAMPERS THE OPERATIONS BEHIND BACK UP HOUSE. WE JUST THINK THAT, UH, BECAUSE WE KNOW THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS A PLAN FOR CYCLING IN THIS AREA, WE THOUGHT THIS MIGHT WAS AN ALTERNATE. UH, AND IT ALLOWS A BIT OF A, YOU KNOW, BUT IT DEFINITELY COULD BE PEDESTRIAN. I MEAN, THAT'S, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UM, WE THINK THAT'S THE CASE. IT'S REALLY A MATTER OF HOW YOU WORK WITH THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS WHO DO OWN. SO THIS, THAT CAN FINISH THE CALL. GOOD LUCK. MORE EYES, MORE EYES ON THE STREET. RIGHT. , I KNOW THAT AT THE, AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, THEY HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS POTENTIALLY GOING TO BE, UM, IT WAS EITHER GONNA BE BETWEEN A PEDESTRIAN OR A CYCLING PATHWAY LANE, POTENTIALLY OFF HIGHLINE, BUT THAT WAS STILL UP FOR DEBATE ON WHICH IT WOULD BE. RIGHT. WHICH WOULD BE PRIORITIZED. MAYBE WE HAVE A DIFFERENT GROUP HERE. YEAH. I THINK BETWEEN OUR OFFICE AND PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, WE TEND TO THINK THAT IT'S BETTER TO GO WITH A MORE SIDEWALK FOCUSED APPROACH TO LOCUM AND DRAGON, BECAUSE HIGHLINE ALREADY HAS THAT DUAL PATH THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF HIGHLINE. BUT YEAH, I DUNNO IF TRANSPORTATION PEOPLE HAVE OTHER IDEAS, BUT I THINK PART OF, IF THERE WAS STILL A DESIRE TO, TO ACCOMMODATE BIKES MORE, THAT'S WHERE MAYBE THIS CUT THROUGH CONCEPT MAYBE GETS AT THAT A LITTLE BIT. OKAY. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? I LIKE IT. I MEAN, I, I, I LIKE IT. I, UH, I THINK IT WILL IMPROVE SAFETY. I WORRY A LOT ABOUT SAFETY ON THESE STREETS. THEY DO THESE, UM, ART WALKS, PERHAPS SOME OF Y'ALL HAVE BEEN, BEEN TO THEM ON DRAGON STREET AND MM-HMM . IT'S REALLY HARD TO , UH, BRING YOUR WINE AND WALK UP AND DOWN DRAGON STREET FOR THESE ART WALKS. UM, AND I THINK LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR THE, THE SPIRIT OF EVENTS AND CONTINUITY BETWEEN BUSINESSES, I THINK THAT, UH, OPENING UP THESE SPACES, UH, IS IMPORTANT FOR A SAFETY, UH, STANDPOINT AS WELL AS FOR A COMMUNITY STANDPOINT. SO I REALLY LIKE IT AS WELL. AND I HOPE WE CAN, UM, KIND OF DIVE INTO THIS A LITTLE DEEPER. THANK YOU PAM. I, I, I TOO, UH, WOULD LIKE INCREASE SAFETY, UH, IN ART WALKS WHILE WALKING WITH WINE, , . WE ALL NEED THAT. AWESOME. WELL THANK YOU FOLKS. THANK YOU. THANK, THANK YOU ALL. UH, WONDERFUL PRESENTATION. UM, SO DO WE, THERE IS NO MOTION. YEAH. THIS IS JUST REALLY FOR DISCUSSION, BUT, UM, WHAT WE KIND OF ENVISION IS THAT THE NEXT STEP OF WE'VE GOTTEN POSITIVE FEEDBACK TODAY IS TO, UM, WORK WITH CHARLOTTE, WITH THE PUBLIC AGREEMENT DISTRICT, UM, TO ORGANIZE THE STAKEHOLDER WORKSHOP. MM-HMM . AND WE WOULD OF COURSE INVITE THE BOARD. UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT TENTATIVELY LIKE LATE OCTOBER, EARLY NOVEMBER. AND, UM, AS THAT GETS ORGANIZED, WE'LL UM, DEFINITELY KEEP THE BOARD, UM, UP TO SPEED. SO YOU CAN JOIN AS WELL. THIS WILL BE IN PERSON YES. YES. YEAH. OKAY. POSTED ON USUALLY, BUT YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, WE'RE ENVISIONING SOMETHING PROBABLY LIKE LATE AFTERNOON, EARLY EVENING MM-HMM . WHEN THAT HOPEFULLY THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE MOST PEOPLE. LOVE IT. LOVE IT. IF THERE'S NO OTHER ADDITIONAL, UM, COMMENTS FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF [00:55:01] THE CALLS, UM, THAT'S, WE CAN ADJOURN THEN AT, UH, 2 57. THANK Y'ALL. THANKS EVERYBODY. APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SEE YA. BYE-BYE. BYE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.