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MORNING.UH, TODAY IS THURSDAY, OCTOBER 1ST, 2026.
THIS IS THE PERMIT AND LICENSE APPEAL BOARD.
UH, WE HAVE A QUORUM AND WE'RE HEREBY CONVENE.
UM, THE PERMANENT LICENSE APPEAL BOARD IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL BOARD APPOINTED BY THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR.
UM, WE SERVE WITHOUT COMPENSATION, BUT WE DO GET BREAKFAST.
AND, UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.
UH, AND I DIDN'T SAY BEFORE, BUT IT IS 8 39, SO WE'RE STILL UNDER EIGHT 40.
UM, LET ME, UH, CONFIRM OUR FORUM.
UH, IF YOU ARE HERE, PLEASE, PLEASE SAY HERE.
MR. CILLA IS IN THE ROOM, BUT, UM, UM, IN ORDER TO BE PRESENT, YOU, YOUR FACE NEEDS TO BE ON, UH, ON VIDEO OR WE LOSE YOU FOR A QUORUM.
TODAY WE'RE HEARING, UH, ONE HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY CASE OF 3 7 8 CREEKSIDE APARTMENTS APPEALING.
UH, THE POLICE CHIEF'S NOTICE OF THE FINAL DETERMINATION, UH, THAT THE PROPERTY AT 3 7 8 NORTH JIM MILLER ROAD IS A HABITUAL CRIMINAL CROP.
UH, BEFORE THAT WE HAD TWO ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS. ONE IS OUR, OUR MINUTES, AND THE OTHER IS A DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE RATIFICATION OF OUR CALENDAR FOR THE, FOR THE NEXT BOARD VIEW.
[2. Approval of minutes of the September 3, 2026 Permit & License Appeal Board Meeting]
THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 3RD THIS YEAR? COMMENTS? UM, SO IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, UH, IS THERE A MOTION? IS THERE A MOTION TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, LAST MEETING'S MINUTES.I THINK THAT WAS MR. QUIMP SECOND.
ARE THERE COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? OKAY.
UH, IF YOU ARE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE.
UM, I, I WILL DO THIS BEFORE PUBLIC SPEAKERS OKAY.
AND DO THIS BEFORE PUBLIC SPEAKERS.
[3. Discussion and consideration of Proposed 2027-2028 Board Calendar]
UH, OKAY.THE NEXT AGENDA IS OUR PROPOSED CALENDAR, UH, FOR THE NEXT BOARD YEAR.
AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT I, UH, ESSENTIALLY DID WAS, UH, PROVIDE REGULAR CALL MEETINGS ONCE A MONTH, UH, AND CHOSE, UM, THE, UM, THE FIRST THURSDAY OF EACH MONTH.
UH, THE VALUE OF HAVING THESE ON THE CALENDAR IS SO THAT NANCY CAN, UH, HAVE A STANDING MEETING TO, UM, UH, TO SCHEDULE A, A, UH, CASE.
AND IF WE GET MORE THAN RE REALISTICALLY TWO, UH, IN A MEETING, THAT, THAT'S WHEN YOU GET A, UH, A, A MID MONTH MEETING.
BUT WE TRY TO USE, USE OUR TIME AS WELL AS WE CAN.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT.
ARE THERE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? IS THIS, DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THIS OR ARE YOU JUST PRESENTING THIS? UM, MY INITIAL INTENT WAS, WAS THAT I WOULD JUST PRESENT IT MS. CARLISLE, UH, ALLOWED IF WE WANTED TO, TO ADOPT IT, WE CAN.
UM, WHAT DO YOU FOR, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO ACCEPT.
IF WE'RE GOOD WITH IT, LET'S DO IT.
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IS, UH, IS HERE AT 8 43.I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE IT DONE.
AND, UM, AND THE, THE, THE, UM, THE QUESTION I WOULD ASK YOU GUYS IS OUR ANNUAL MEETING TO APPROVE OUR REPORT AND LIKELY OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE.
UM, WE CAN SCHEDULE ANYTIME WE WANT.
UM, TRYING TO DO IT ON A FIRST OR THIRD THURSDAY RUNS INTO, WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR CASES THAT DAY.
UM, SO I, I, I WOULD PROPOSE, UM, THAT WE, THAT WE SCHEDULE IT ON, UM, ON A TUESDAY.
UM, JUST POINT OF INFORMATION, ARE WE CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR JANUARY 7TH FOR, IS THAT CORRECT? FOR 2027? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND RIGHT NOW THAT'S SCHEDULED AS A REGULAR MEETING.
SO THE, I MEAN, THE IDEA IS THAT WE WOULD HEAR CASES, UM, IS IT POSSIBLE TO WAIT MAYBE TO MAKE A DECISION SOMETIME AFTER THANKSGIVING TO SEE WHAT WE HAVE AS OF, UH, ANY KIND OF AN APPEAL? 'CAUSE IT USUALLY 30, 45 DAYS, WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD KNOW WHETHER WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HEAR SOMETHING ON JANUARY OR NOT.
UH, I JUST TRY TO GIVE YOU GUYS AS MUCH NOTICE AS I CAN.
SO WERE YOU GUYS OKAY WITH THAT, MISS? UH, SANCHEZ NEEDS TIME TO GET A ROOM AND THAT, SO REALISTICALLY, WE WILL BOOK A ROOM ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
UM, OR IS, OR IS IT, I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY, COULD WE BUMP THIS FOR ANOTHER MONTH TO SEE WHAT WE GET? WE COULD, FOR APPEALS FOR TWO MONTHS, WE COULD, I, I JUST WANNA PUT THAT IN YOUR HEAD.
THAT WILL BE A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING THAT I CAN CALL AT ANY TIME.
BUT, UH, TO THE EXTENT YOUR CALENDARS, IF YOU CAN LOOK INTO JANUARY AND, AND THERE ARE DAYS THAT YOU CAN'T DO IT, UM, LET ME KNOW, UM, THAT THAT'S IT.
BUT, BUT THAT, THAT IS NOT RELEVANT DIRECTLY TO WHETHER WE ADOPT THIS CALENDAR.
DOES, DOES ANYONE HAVE A QUESTION OR A COMMENT ON THIS CALENDAR? MM.
SO IN THAT CASE, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE BOARD? THE 2027 2028 BOARD CALENDAR? YEAH, I, I MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE CALENDAR AS PRESENTED TODAY IN DRAFT FORM, UH, TO MAKE IT OFFICIAL.
I THINK MR. CILLA, UM, SECONDED BY CILLA.
MR. SAXON'S MOTION, UM, ANY COMMENTS? YOU SAID? NO.
UM, ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
UH, GET SOMETHING OFF OUR, OFF OF MS. SANCHEZ.
DO WE HAVE PUBLIC SPEAKERS? NO.
[4. APPEAL HEARING ONE]
SO NOW WE GET TO ITEM FOUR, WHICH IS OUR HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY BASIS.I WOULD LIKE, UM, A FORM CALL THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE MEMBERS WHO ARE HERE, UH, FROM THE, UH, CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE.
WOULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME? NANCY SANCHEZ.
AND FROM THE, UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
CAITLYN BEAY, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
AND WHO IS OUR BOARD COUNSEL? THAT WOULD BE ME.
THIS IS YOUR FIRST DAY, SO WELCOME.
UH, WE WILL PROCEED TO THE MEETING AND, UH, WE'LL NEED TO SWEAR IN, UH, ANYONE WHO, WHO INTENDS TO TESTIFY ON EITHER SIDE.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU INTEND TO TESTIFY WITH THE, PLEASE, UH, LAY YOUR OWN.
DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE, THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE BEFORE THIS BOARD TODAY WILL BE THE TRUTH? I DO.
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THANK YOU.SO, REPRESENTING THE, UH, THE APPELLANT WE HAVE, WOULD YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELVES? YES.
CHRIS BOWERS WITH THE SUSTER LAW GROUP.
SIR, UH, YOU ARE A WITNESS FOR THE APPELLANT.
UH, I'M THE ONE OF THE OWNER OF THE CREEKSIDE.
AND YOU SAID YOU, YOU WERE MR. ALI.
UH, YOU, YOUR MIC WAS OFF WHEN YOU WERE, I'M SORRY.
UH, MY NAME IS, UH, RAJAB ALI.
AND I'M ONE OF THE OWNER OF THE CREEKSIDE V PARK.
I AM THE PROPERTY MANAGER OF, UH, UH, 3 7 8 CREEKSIDE APARTMENT.
AND YOU FROM THE CITY, CHANDLER AKENS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
KENDALL MCKEN, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
AND YOUR WITNESS? DETECTIVE ANTONIO GOMEZ.
AS, AS WE DISCUSSED, UH, WE'LL OPERATE THIS WAY WITH A THREE TO FIVE MINUTE OPENING AND CLOSING.
DON'T, DON'T GET INTO THE MERITS.
TELL US WHAT YOU'RE GONNA TELL US.
AND THEN, UH, EACH SITE HAS 30 MINUTES, WHICH YOU CAN USE TO MAKE YOU A PRESENTATION, UM, UH, WITH YOUR WITNESSES.
AND ALSO, WE SHOULD USE TIME TO, UH, FOR YOUR CROSS-EXAMINATION.
THAT WILL COME OFF OF YOUR TIME.
UH, ANY TIME YOU USE ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS, OBVIOUSLY WILL NOT, UH, COUNT, UH, BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, THIS IS SOMETHING I MIGHT LIKE TO REVISIT AT OUR ANNUAL MEETING, BUT FOR, FOR NOW, WE ARE, UH, WE TYPICALLY DO THREE MINUTES AND THEN TWO MINUTES.
UM, WOULD THE BOARD ATTORNEY PLEASE READ THE STAMP? TODAY? YOU HAVE, BEFORE YOU AN APPEAL OF A DESIGNATION AS A HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY.
IT IS THE DUTY OF THIS BOARD TO EVALUATE THE EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY PRESENTED BEFORE YOU TODAY AND DETERMINE WHETHER THE PRESUMPTIONS IN SECTION 27 48 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE ARE OR ARE NOT SATISFIED.
THE PRESUMPTIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS, ONE, WHETHER THE PROPERTY IS OR IS NOT THE SITE OF FIVE OR MORE AVAILABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES WITHIN 365 DAYS IN EITHER A REPORT OF A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY DOCUMENTING AN INVESTIGATION OF AN AVAILABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY ON THE PROPERTY OR ENFORCEMENT ACTION AGAINST ANY PERSON ASSOCIATED WITH THE ABATE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY ON THE PROPERTY.
AND TWO, WHETHER THE PROPERTY IS OR IS NOT THE SITE AT WHICH THE PERSONS HAVE HISTORICALLY COMMITTED DEBATABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES.
ACCORDING TO RECENT CRIME, DATA THREE, AND OWNER OF A HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY IS PRESUMED TO HAVE KNOWINGLY TOLERATED THE ABATE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AT THE OWNER'S PROPERTY BY FAILING TO TAKE REASONABLE STEPS, INCLUDING THOSE OUTLINED IN SECTION 27, 49 B ONE OF THIS CHAPTER AS AMENDED TO ABATE THE ABATE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.
ABATE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY MEANS THOSE ACTIVITIES LISTED IN CHAPTER 125 OF THE TEXAS CIVIL PRACTICE AND REMEDIES CODE AS AMENDED.
IT INCLUDES DISORDERLY CONDUCT, ARSON, DISCHARGE OF A FIREARM IN A PUBLIC PLACE, GAMBLING, PROSTITUTION, AGGRAVATED ASSAULT, ROBBERY, DELIVERY, POSSESSION MANUFACTURER, OR USE OF AN ILLEGAL SUBSTANCE.
THE TERM DOES NOT INCLUDE CRIMES OF FAMILY VIOLENCE.
IN DETERMINING THE FIRST PRESUMPTION OF WHETHER THE PROPERTY IS OR IS NOT THE SITE OF, OF FIVE OR MORE AVAILABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES WITHIN 365 DAYS, THE BOARD MAY CONSIDER ALL EVIDENCE OCCURRING BEFORE THE NOTICE LETTER DATED MAY 14TH, 2026.
IF YOU DETERMINE THESE, THAT THESE PRESUMPTIONS ARE SATISFIED, YOU MUST AFFIRM THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
IF YOU DETERMINE THAT THE PRESUMPTIONS WERE NOT SATISFIED, YOU MAY REVERSE THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
THIS IS OLD HAT AT THIS POINT.
WE, UM, WE FIRST DECIDE ON, UH, FIVE INCIDENTS INSIDE 365 AND, UH, THE SURROUNDING AREA.
AND AT THAT POINT, UM, THE QUESTION BECOMES WHETHER THE, UH, APPELLANT HAS, UH, REBUTTED, UH, BUT IT'S IN THAT ORDER, UM, TO, UH, TO THE LITIGANTS.
UM, THIS BOARD, UH, IN ITS CODE
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IS NOT ALLOWED TO CONSIDER THE FORMAL RULES OF EVIDENCE, WHICH MEANS WE'RE PRETTY LIBERAL IN WHAT WE, WHAT WE ALLOW, BUT WE, UH, WE DON'T HAVE TO CONSIDER IT EQUALLY.AND, UM, PROBABLY OUGHT TO, TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE'S HEARSAY IT'S WORTH, IF YOU WANT NOTING WHY IT SHOULD BE WEAKER THAN SAY OTHER EVIDENCE IF YOU THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
UH, THE OTHER THING WE CAN'T DO IS CHANGE THE LAW.
UH, IF YOU ARE MAKING ARGUMENTS ABOUT THE LAW OR CONSTITUTIONAL CASE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE RECORD AND APPEAL, I WON'T STOP YOU.
UH, JUST UNDERSTAND THAT WE, WE CAN'T DECIDE ON, ON THAT ISSUE HERE.
UM, OUR JOB IS TO, UH, APPLY THE FACTS AS WE DETERMINE THEM, UH, BASED ON THE, THE STANDARD OF THE PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE, UH, TO THE CODE.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S IT ITSELF.
WOULD, UM, WOULD THE CITY, UH, PROCEED WITH, UH, IT'S OPENING? OH, OH, YES.
WE, WE HAVE ACCEPTED, UH, THE, UH, APPELLANT'S REQUEST AND THE APPELLANT'S EXHIBIT AND THE CITY'S EXHIBIT ONE AND THE CITY'S EXHIBIT TWO, WHICH MS. SANCHEZ, I THINK SPLIT IN CASE SHE DOES NO, HE GAVE US 2000 PAGES.
GOOD MORNING, HONORABLE CHAIR AND MEMBER OF THE PERMIT AND LICENSE APPEAL GUIDE.
WE'RE HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S DESIGNATION OF 3 78 NORTH JIM MILLER ROAD, THE HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY, ALSO KNOWN AS HCP, THE PURPOSE OF THE HCP ORDINANCES FOR REMOTE PROPERTY SAFETY, BY RECOGNIZING THAT ADDRESSING CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IS NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF DED ALONE, PROPERTY OWNERS ALSO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE REASONABLE STEPS TO ADDRESS DURING AVAILABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY ON THEIR PROPERTY, AND TO HELP PROTECT THE SAFETY OF THEIR OCCUPANTS.
AND SURROUNDING THE BOARD IS CHARGED TODAY IS SOLELY DETERMINING WHAT THE PRESUMPTION SET FORWARD SECTION 27 DASH 48 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE HAVE BEEN SATISFIED.
THAT DETERMINATION COMES DOWN TO THREE QUESTIONS.
ONE, DID FIVE OR MORE AVAILABLE CRIMES OCCUR AT THE PROPERTY IN A 365 DAY PERIOD? TWO, IS THERE A HISTORY OF AVAILABLE CRIME AT THE PROPERTY? AND THREE, DID THE OWNER KNOWINGLY TOLERATE THE, THE AVAILABLE CRIME BY FAILING TO IMPLEMENT REASONABLE CRIME PREVENTION MEASURES PRIOR TO RECEIVING THE HCP PRESUMPTION LETTER DATED MAY 14TH, 2026, THE CITY'S EVIDENCE WILL SHOW THAT OVER A THREE THREE YEAR PERIOD FROM MAY 4TH, 2023 TO MAY 4TH, 2020 6, 38, AVAILABLE CRIMES OCCURRED AT THE PROPERTY.
OF THOSE 17 OCCURRED DURING THE MOST RECENT 365 DAY PERIOD FOR MAY 4TH, 2025 THROUGH MAY 4TH, 2026.
THE EVIDENCE TODAY WILL SHOW THE PROPERTY HAD CRIME PREVENTION MEASURES IN PLACE PRIOR TO MAY 14TH, 2026.
BUT THE ISSUE IS NOT SIMPLY WHETHER SOME MEASURES EXISTED.
THE ISSUE IS WHETHER THE PROPERTY OWNER TOOK REASONABLE STEPS TO DEBATE THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY OCCURRING ON THE PROPERTY AS THAT ACTIVITY INCLUDES IN CLOSING THE ISSUES BEFORE THE BOARD ARE NARROW.
DID FIVE OR MORE AVAILABLE CRIMES OCCUR AT THE PROPERTY DURING THE RELEVANT 365 DAY PERIOD? IS THERE A HISTORY OF AVAILABLE CRIME AT THE PROPERTY? AND DID THE OWNER KNOWINGLY TOLERATE THE AVAILABLE CRIME BY FAILING TO IMPLEMENT REASONABLE CRIME PREVENTION MEASURES PRIOR TO RECEIVING THE HCP PRESUMPTION LETTER DATED MAY 14TH, 2026? THE QUESTION BEFORE THE BOARD IS NOT WHAT THE PROPERTY OWNER DID IN RESPONSE TO RECEIVING THE PRESUMPTION LETTER.
AND SO HONORABLE BOARD, IT IS THE CITY'S HOPE THAT AFTER THE PRESENTATION OF THE EVIDENCE, YOU'LL ANSWER YES TO THOSE THREE ESSENTIAL QUESTIONS AND THAT YOU AFFIRM THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S FINAL DESIGNATION OF 3 78 NORTH JIM MILLER ROAD, THE VISUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY.
YES, THANK YOU HONORABLE CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE PERMIT AND LICENSE APPEAL BOARD.
I'M WITH THE SISTER LAW GROUP AND FOR ALMOST 27 YEARS IN A PRIOR LIFE, I WAS AN ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, AND I, UH, MADE A COUPLE OF APPEARANCES BEFORE THIS BOARD, BUT THEN I BECAME OLD AND RETIRED AND AM NOW IN PRIVATE PRACTICE.
UH, AS YOU HEARD, THERE ARE, UH, TWO PRESUMPTIONS THAT WE ARE HERE TODAY TO ADDRESS, AND THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS ARGUED, UH, IN HIS MEMORANDUM THAT THIS BOARD CANNOT
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CONSIDER ANY EVIDENCE THAT WASN'T PRESENTED AT THE ACCORD MEETING.AND THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.
FIRST, I WOULD SAY THE CODE NOWHERE SAYS THIS BOARD CANNOT CONSIDER EVIDENCE AFTER THE ACCORD MEETING.
AND IN FACT, THE CODE IN SECTION 27 DASH 49 EXPLICITLY SAYS THAT THE UH, OWNER MAY PRESENT ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE UNDER SECTION 29 DASH 27 DASH 49 B ONE IF THE, UH, THE OWNER MAY PRESENT ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE AFTER THE ACCORD MEETING.
YOUR CODE EXPLICITLY SAYS THAT, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IF WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY SAYS IS TRUE THAT THIS BOARD MAY NOT CONSIDER EVIDENCE AFTER THE ACCORD MEETING, THEN I WOULD SUBMIT THE CHIEF FAILED TO MAKE HIS CASE AT THE ACCORD MEETING BECAUSE TAB SIX, ALL OF THOSE INCIDENT REPORTS WERE NOT PRESENTED BY THE CHIEF DURING THE ACCORD MEETING.
AND SO IT'S ONLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT TAB SIX AND SEE ALL OF THE INCIDENT REPORTS AND CAN LOOK AT THE NARRATIVES THAT YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHETHER CRIMES ACTUALLY OCCURRED ON THE PROPERTY MERELY GIVING A LIST OF THE CRIMES.
A ONE PAGE LIST DOES NOT ANY PROOF THAT THE CRIMES ACTUALLY OCCURRED AT THE PROPERTY IN A ONE YEAR PERIOD.
BECAUSE ONE OF THE ISSUES IS WHEN A POLICE INCIDENT REPORT IS WRITTEN, IT WILL GIVE THE ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY, EVEN IF THE CRIME OCCURS ON THE STREET OR ALLEYS NEAR THE PROPERTY, IF THE PROPERTY IS THE CLOSEST ADDRESS TO WHERE THE CRIME OCCURRED, THAT ADDRESS WILL BE GIVEN.
AND IT IS ALSO A MATTER OF COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT PRESS THAT PLEASANT GROVE IS A HIGH CRIME AREA AND CRIME SPILLS OVER INTO PROPERTIES, AND IN SOME CASES, THE RESIDENTS ARE THE VICTIMS OF THOSE CRIMES.
AND IF AN OUTSIDER COMES IN AND, AND COMMITS ONE OF THOSE CRIMES, IS THAT THE PROPERTY'S FAULT? NOW, ANOTHER IMPORTANT PRESUMPTION HERE IS WHETHER THE OWNER KNOWINGLY TOLERATED THE CRIME.
AND HERE WE WILL PRESENT ABUNDANT EVIDENCE TODAY THAT THE OWNER DID NOT TOLERATE THE CRIME, AND IN FACT HAS TAKEN EXTENSIVE EFFORTS FOR MANY YEARS TO PREVENT THE CRIME.
WE WILL PRESENT EVIDENCE THAT THE OWNER HAS A FENCE AND A GATE SYSTEM, AND THAT THE OWNER HAS 33 CAMERAS ON THE PROPERTY THAT MONITOR THE PROPERTY, AND THE OWNER MAKES THOSE CAMERA, UH, VIDEOS AVAILABLE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THE OWNER ALSO HAS A FLOCK CAMERA INSTALLED BY REMEMBER YOU, YOU'RE JUST INTRODUCING YOUR CASE.
WELL, I'M DESCRIBING THE EVIDENCE THAT I WILL PUT ON, WHICH IS A STANDARD OPENING.
AND SO WOULD SAY, UH, THAT THE EVIDENCE WILL ABUNDANTLY SHOW THAT THE OWNER HAS TAKEN MANY STEPS TO PREVENT AND REDUCE CRIME, AND IN FACT EXCEEDS THE CITY'S STANDARDS FOR DOING SO.
AND SO WE ASK THAT YOU TAKE A CAREFUL LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE, AND IF INDEED THE OWNERS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE APPELLANT HERE ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO CONSIDER THE EVIDENCE THAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE ACCORD MEETING, THEN I WOULD TELL YOU MUCH OF TAB ONE OF THE CITY'S CASE WAS PRINTED IN SEPTEMBER 23RD.
AND IN FACT, UH, ON TAB SIX WAS NOT PRESENTED AT THE ACCORD MEETING.
THAT TAB EIGHT WAS PRINTED ON SEPTEMBER THE 24TH, AND SO WAS NOT PRESENTED AT THE ACCORD MEETING.
AND TAB NINE WA THE PHOTOGRAPHS WERE TAKEN AFTER THE ACCORD MEETING.
AND SO THE CITY IS TRYING TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS HERE.
THEY ARE TELLING YOU YOU CANNOT CONSIDER OUR EVIDENCE, BUT CAN CONSIDER THEIR EVIDENCE.
SO FOR THE MEMBERS, UH, AND THE RECORD, UH, IT HAS BEEN, AND I I'M A MINUTE GONNA ASK OUR ATTORNEYS TO, UH, VERIFY THIS.
UH, THE BOARD'S UNDERSTANDING HAS, HAS BEEN THAT, UH, WE ARE TO CONSIDER ACTIONS THAT HAPPEN UP UNTIL THE, UH, DETERMINATION LETTER AND THAT THE, UH, APPELLANT IS ONLY RESPONSIBLE FOR, UH, EVENTS ON WHICH THEY RECEIVED NOTICE,
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UH, THAT THAT HAS BEEN OUR, OUR PROCEDURE.BUT LET ME FORMALLY, UM, HAVE OUR ATTORNEYS STATE IT.
CHAIRMAN, UH, WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE PRESUMPTIONS MADE.
SO ANYTHING DONE BEFORE THE PRESUMPTIONS, ANY EVIDENCE FROM THAT TIME PERIOD IS ACCEPTABLE.
UM, ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE FOR ACTIONS TAKEN BEFORE THAT MAY DATE ARE ACCEPTABLE, BUT NOT ANYTHING AFTERWARDS.
AND ALSO WE'RE, WE'RE SPEAKING OF EVENTS THAT WERE SUBJECT TO THE INITIAL NOTICE, CORRECT.
WOULD YOU, UH, PLEASE, UH, YOU HAVE 30 MINUTES PERMISSION TO SHARE MY SCREEN.
THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO CALL HIS FIRST WITNESS.
UM, DETECTIVE GOMEZ, WILL YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND OCCUPATION FOR THE RECORD? ANTONIO
FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS I'VE BEEN A DETECTIVE IN A NUISANCE OF DATING UNIT.
WILL YOU BRIEFLY DESCRIBED YOUR EXPERIENCE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, UM, OTHER THAN THE CURRENT POSITION YOU HELD, YOU HOLD NOW I HAVE WORKED IN THE SOUTHWEST PATROL DIVISION, THE NORTHEAST PATROL DIVISION.
I'VE BEEN IN THE FUGITIVE UNIT, AND I'VE BEEN A FIELD TRADE OFFICER.
AND WHEN YOU DESCRIBE TO THE BOARD WHAT YOUR CURRENT DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE WITH THE C UH, COMMUNITY PROSECUTION NUISANCE ABATEMENT UNIT, IDENTIFY AND WORK WITH PROPERTIES THAT HAVE HIGHER CRIME INCIDENCES IN THE PROPERTY, AND THEN I RECOMMEND CRIME PREVENTION MEASURES TO THE OWNERS TO REDUCE THOSE.
AND ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3 7 8 NORTH JIM MILLER ROAD? YES.
UM, HOW DID YOU BECOME, HOW DID THIS PROPERTY COME TO NUISANCE ABATEMENT TEAM'S ATTENTION? THE PROPERTY WAS REFERRED THROUGH THE TRIAGE PROCESS BY THE SOUTHEAST DIVISION PATROL DIVISION.
AND WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR, UH, THE SOUTHEAST PATROL DIVISION TRIAGING THAT PROPERTY? UH, THE, THE HIGH AMOUNT OF CRIME ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, HOW DOES THE NUISANCE ABATEMENT TEAM DETERMINE WHETHER A PROPERTY PRELIMINARILY QUALIFIES AS A HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY? I'LL LOOK THROUGH OFFENSE REPORTS RELATED TO THOSE ADDRESSES ON THE PROPERTY, AND IF THERE ARE FIVE OR MORE ABATES IT MEETS PRESUMPTION, I WOULD BE GO THROUGH THE REPORTS AND THAT WOULD BE THE BODY CAM FOOTAGE JUST TO MAKE SURE THESE INFLUENCES ARE OCCURRING ON THE PROPERTY.
AND AVAILABLE CRIMES ARE OFFENSES IDENTIFIED BY STATE LAW AS CRIMINAL ACTIVITY THAT CAN BE DETERRED THROUGH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF REASONABLE CRIME PREVENTION MEASURES.
SO NOT EVERY CRIME OCCURRING AT THE PROPERTY CONSTITUTE A, AN AVAILABLE CRIME, IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? YES.
AND HOW DO YOU KNOW WHETHER AN INVESTIGATION OCCURRED FOR EACH AVAILABLE CRIME? UH, THERE IS A REPORT RELATED FROM THAT INCIDENT THAT GETS GENERATED WHETHER THE REPORTING OFFICER AT THE SCENE, ONCE HE INTRODUCED THE COMPLAINANT OR WITNESSES, AND HE HAS HIS INFORMATION, HE'LL MAKE THE REPORT.
NOW THE LETTER, UM, IDENTIFIED THE PRE A CP LETTER THAT WE HAVE AT TAB THREE, PAGE 27.
UM, WE HAVE A SNIPPET OF THE NOTICE OF HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY PRESUMPTION LETTER, UM, THAT INDICATES THE LETTER WAS MAILED ON MAY 14TH, 2026.
AND THE LETTER INDICATES THAT 38 AAT OFFENSES OCCURRED OVER A THREE YEAR PERIOD BETWEEN MAY 4TH, 2023 AND MAY 4TH, 2026.
ADDITIONALLY, THE LETTER INDICATES THAT A TOTAL OF 17 AAT OFFENSES OCCURRED BETWEEN MAY 4TH, 2025 AND MAY 4TH, 2026.
IS THAT THE 365 DAY PERIOD REVIEW, UM, THAT YOU CONSIDERED PRIOR TO ISSUING THE A CP NOTICE LETTER? YES, IT DID.
AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE THREE YEAR TIME PERIOD, THE RECORD INDICATES THAT 10 DEBATABLE OFFENSES OCCURRED BETWEEN MAY, 2022 AND MAY, 2023, AND THEN 11 AVAILABLES
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BETWEEN MAY, 2024 AND MAY, 2025.WHAT SIGNIFICANCE, IF ANY, DID YOU DETERMINE FROM THE THREE YEAR AVAILABLE CRIME HISTORY THAT THE CRIME IS INCREASING ON THE PROPERTY? AND CAN YOU GENERALLY DESCRIBE THE, UM, AVAILABLES THAT HAVE BEEN OCCURRING ON THE PROPERTY? THE MAJORITY OF AATS ARE, IS VIOLENCE WHERE FIREARMS ARE PRESENT AND THE MAJORITY OF THEM, AND THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE ROBBERIES AND AGGRAVATED ASSAULTS AS WELL.
SO A LOT OF THESE INCIDENTS ARE FIREARM INVOLVED.
LASTLY, REGARDING THE HCP NOTICE LETTER, THE LETTER INDICATES THAT IN ACCORD MEETING WOULD TAKE PLACE ON JUNE 1ST, 2026.
AND ACTUALLY, LET ME, UM, BACK UP.
BEFORE I GET TO THAT, CAN YOU TELL ME THE, UM, HCP NOTICE LETTER, UH, ALSO SPECIFIES HOW THE OWNER CAN OBTAIN COPIES OF THE POLICE REPORT THROUGH OPEN RECORDS, IS THAT RIGHT? YES.
AND WE HAVE THAT AT TAB THREE.
AND THEN LASTLY, REGARDING THE A CP NOTICE LETTER, UH, THE LETTER INDICATES THAT AN ACCORD MEETING WOULD TAKE PLACE ON JUNE 1ST, 2026.
DID THAT MEETING TAKE PLACE? THAT SCHEDULE? IT DID.
AND DID YOU, UH, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THE OFFENSE REPORTS THAT YOU REVIEWED AND RELIED ON IN MAKING YOUR PRELIMINARY DETERMINATION LETTER WITH THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PROPERTY OWNER? UH, YEAH.
I JUST, RUNNING THEM JUST FLOW THROUGH THE REPORTS ON THE ACTUAL LETTER ITSELF.
AND DID THE REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE REPORTS? YES.
AND AT ANY TIME BEFORE THE, UH, FINAL DETERMINATION LETTER WAS ISSUED, DID THE PROPERTY OWNER PRESENT ANY EVIDENCE CALLING INTO QUESTION THE ACCURACY OR VALIDITY OF ANY OF THOSE OFFENSE REPORTS THEY DID.
AND WHAT E EVIDENCE DID THEY PROVIDE YOU? UH, THEY PROVIDED A SECURITY CONTRACT.
THEY PROVIDED, LET ME, LET ME REPEAT THE QUESTION.
DID THE REPRESENTATIVES OR THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, PROVIDE YOU ANY EVIDENCE CALLING INTO QUESTION THE, UM, AVAILABLE OFFENSES YOU IDENTIFIED HAD OCCURRED AT THE PROPERTY? UH, NO.
UM, BUT IT, DID THEY PROVIDE EVIDENCE OF CRIME PREVENTION MEASURES THEY HAD IN PLACE TO, UM, ADDRESS AVAILABLE DATEABLE PRODUCT? YES, THEY DID.
AND DID THE REPRESENTATIVES REQUEST ADDITIONAL TIME TO PRO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE OF CRIME PREVENTION MEASURES THAT WERE IN PLACE PRIOR TO RECEIVING THE NOTICE LETTER? THEY DID.
THEY'RE GIVEN AN EXTRA REVIEW.
AND DID THEY PROVIDE ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE? YES.
AND WAS THAT EVIDENCE CONSIDERED, UM, PRIOR TO DPDS FINAL DETERMINATION, UH, BEING MADE? IT WAS CONSIDERED.
UM, NOW, ALTHOUGH ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE WAS SUBMITTED AFTER THE ACCORD MEETING, THE EVIDENCE PROVIDED WAS RELATED TO CRIME PREVENTION MEASURES THAT WERE IN PLACE PRIOR TO RECEIVING THE A CP NOTICE LETTER.
NOW, UH, TURNING TO TAB EIGHT, UH, WE HAVE A THREE YEAR SNAPSHOT OF CALLS FOR SERVICE AND DPD MARK OUTS, UH, TOTALING A TOTAL OF 90, APPROXIMATELY 95 PAGES.
UH, WHAT'S THE SIGNIFICANCE OF TAB EIGHT? IT SHOWS THAT THERE'S A HIGH PRESENCE OF POLICE IN THAT PROPERTY FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS.
I BELIEVE IT AVERAGES OUT TO JUST ABOUT ONCE A DAY POLICE HAS TO BE AT THE SCENE OR THERE'S A CALL FOR SERVICE.
AND WHEN YOU SAY THAT, UH, POLICE ARE AT THE SCENE, UH, CAN YOU, UH, EXPLAIN TO THE BOARD WHAT IS A MARK OUT? WHAT'S THE PURPOSE FOR A MARK OUT? SO MARK OUT IS A, IT'S, IT'S A PROACTIVE MARK OUT BY THE OFFICERS IN THIS, IN THIS CASE, ON THIS PROPERTY AROUND MAY OF 2025 PRO.
EARLIER, THEY WERE ASSIGNED AS A HOTSPOT, WHICH MEANS THAT THE PROPERTY IN THAT AREA, SPECIFIC AREA, THE HOTSPOT, THE CRIME IS SO HIGH THAT THEY, THEY USE PATROL OFFICERS TO SIT ON THE PROPERTY THERE FOR, THEY'LL DO ABOUT THREE OR FOUR MARKUPS PER DAY JUST ON THE PROPERTY, JUST FOR PRESENCE AND TRY TO REDUCE THAT CRIME.
AND IN ADDITION TO THE MARK OUTS, UM, IN YOUR OPINION, WHAT CAN YOU TELL US OR WHAT DOES THE THREE YEAR SNAPSHOT SHOW ABOUT THE CALLS, UH, FOR SERVICE AT THE PROPERTY? UH, THEY'RE SIGNIFICANT.
THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S A LOT OF VIOLENCE GOING THROUGH THAT PROPERTY.
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JUST A, A LOT OF POLICE PRESENCE ON THAT PROPERTY.UH, TURNING TO TAB SEVEN, THIS EXHIBIT CONTAINS AN AERIAL IMAGE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THE SECTION THAT WE HAVE HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN, UM, IS THAT 3 7 8 NORTH JIM MILLER ROAD? IT IS.
UM, ARE THERE ANY, UM, OTHER APARTMENT COMPLEXES IDENTIFIED IN THIS IMAGE? YEAH, THE SQUARE THAT IS NORTH AND TO THE EAST IS THE O HOLLOW APARTMENTS.
AND THE SQUARE THAT IS THE NORTH AND TO THE WEST IS A CHEROKEE VILLAGE APARTMENTS.
SO THERE'S TWO ADDITIONAL APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT BORDER ALONG, UH, CREEKSIDE VILLA, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
NOW, DID YOU REVIEW, UM, AVAILABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AT THE NEIGHBORING APARTMENTS DURING YOUR, THE APPLICABLE ONE YEAR PERIOD FROM MAY, 2025 TO MAY, 2026? I DID THE O CALL APARTMENTS HAD ONE AVAILABLE OFFENSE, AND THE CHEROKEE VILLAGE, IN THE ENTIRETY OF THEIR COMPLEX, HAD FOUR AVAILABLE OFFICES.
AND DID YOU FIND THAT TO BE CONSIDERABLY, UM, LESS THAN THE AVAILABLES THAT YOU DISCOVERED OCCURRING ON CREEKSIDE VILLAGE? YES, I DID.
AND IN ADDITION TO RESEARCHING, UM, HISTORICAL DATA AND INFORMATION REGARDING, UM, AVAILABLE CRIME AT THE PROPERTY, DID YOU ALSO CONDUCT ONSITE INSPECTIONS AT THE PROPERTY PRIOR TO THE FINAL DETERMINATION BEING MADE? YES, I DID.
UM, WILL YOU WALK US THROUGH SOME OF THE PICTURES THAT WERE TAKEN AT THE PROPERTY AND SHARED WITH THE BOARD? WHAT CONCERNS, UM, OR ISSUES YOU FOUND, IF ANY? UH, THIS WAS DURING THE NIGHT INSPECTION.
AS YOU CAN SEE IT, IT'S VERY POOR LIGHTING.
THERE WAS A SECTION OF THE APARTMENTS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THIS, THE COMPLEX THAT'S SMEARS TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT WAS IN COMPLETE DARKNESS.
THERE WAS NO LIGHTING WORKING, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE.
IT WAS JUST COMPLETE DARKNESS IN THAT AREA OF THE, OF THE COMPLEX.
AND APPROXIMATELY WHEN DID THAT NIGHT INSPECTION TAKE PLACE? UH, IT WAS ON JUNE 11TH.
AND THAT, UH, OCCURRED PRIOR TO THE FINAL DETERMINATION, UH, BEING ISSUED.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, SINCE THAT NIGHT INSPECTION, HAVE YOU CONDUCTED ANY OTHER, UH, NIGHT INSPECTIONS OR LIGHTING INSPECTION INSPECTIONS AT THE PROPERTY SINCE THEN? I WENT BY THERE YESTERDAY AROUND FIVE 40 IN THE MORNING.
AND WHAT DID YOU DISCOVER THAT AREA THE LIGHTING WAS, WAS BETTER IN THAT AREA? THERE WAS LITTLE, THERE WAS STILL A FEW PATCHES OF THE COMPLEX THAT PROBABLY NEEDED MORE LIGHTING, BUT THERE WAS SOME IMPROVEMENT ON THE LIGHTING ASPECT.
AND WAS ANY EVIDENCE, UH, PROVIDED TO YOU OF REPAIRS OR CORRECTIONS MADE TO LIGHTING PRIOR TO THE FINAL DETERMINATION LETTER BEING ISSUED? NO.
AND SO BASED ON YOUR INSPECTION FROM YESTERDAY, UM, WAS THE REPAIRS TO THE LIGHTING OR THE IMPROVEMENTS MADE TO THE LIGHTING, WAS THAT A FACTOR IN, UH, DPDS DECISION FOR DESIGNATING OR NOT DESIGNATING THE PROPERTY? LET ME REPHRASE THAT QUESTION.
UM, YOU INSPECTING AND UNDERSTANDING THAT SOME REPAIRS HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE LIGHTING AS OF YESTERDAY.
UM, WAS THAT A FACTOR IN THE DECISION THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN ISSUED? NO, IT WAS NOT.
UM, LOOKING AT THE NEXT PHOTO, CAN, CAN YOU SHARE WITH US, UM, WHAT ISSUES, IF ANY, ARE DEPICTED HERE? THE VEHICLE ON THE PROPERTY, UH, THEY SHOULD, THEY HAVE A, A TOWING CONTRACT.
SO STUFF LIKE THIS, IT KIND OF JUST, IT STICKS OUT, GIVES US BAD REPRESENTATION OF THE COMPLEX.
YOU PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO HAVE THESE KIND OF VEHICLES THERE.
I'M SURE YOU WANNA SHOW MORE CARE.
WHO KNOWS HOW LONG THAT VEHICLE'S BEEN THERE FOR.
AND THE IMAGE TO THE RIGHT? TO THE LEFT FENCE.
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CONCERNS IF DENNY DOES THAT RAISE? AND ANYBODY CAN HAVE ACCESS TO THE, TO THE PROPERTY, JUMP IN AND OUT, AND DID DPD MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HOW TO, UM, DETER THAT ACTIVITY? OKAY.AND DURING THE COURT MEETING, DID THEY EXPRESS ANY CONCERNS THAT THEY WERE AWARE AND NOTICED? UM, THAT INDIVIDUALS, UM, CLIMBING OVER THE FENCE WAS AN ISSUE.
AND CAN YOU SHARE WITH US WHAT WE HAVE DEPICTED IN THE NEXT IMAGE? COULD YOU, UH, SIT YEAH, JUST PULL THAT THING A LOT CLOSER THAN IT FEELS NATURAL? NO, IT WAS OFF FOR SOME REASON, NOT JUST IN THIS ROOM, BUT WE, WE'VE GOT REMOTE PEOPLE.
DAN, THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A SIGN.
I BELIEVE IT'S, AGAIN, NO TRESPASSING SIGN, BUT IT'S, IT'S REALLY FADED HARD TO SEE.
AND WERE THESE THE ONLY EVIDENCE, THESE TWO PICTURES, UM, WERE THEY THE ONLY, UM, EVIDENCE YOU FOUND OF GRAFFITI ON THE PROPERTY OR, UM, SIGNS THAT NEEDED TO BE REPLACED? NO, THERE WERE OTHER ONES.
AND TURN IT TO THE NEXT, UH, IMAGE.
CAN YOU SHOW IT OR EXPLAIN TO THE BOARD WHAT, UM, CONCERNS ARE HIGHLIGHTED HERE? THESE ARE, SO THE TOP LEFT IS IT'S THE SOUTHERN ENTRANCE OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A PEDESTRIAN GATE.
AND AT THAT MOMENT, THERE'S JUST A WIDE OPEN AREA THAT ANYBODY CAN WALK THROUGH.
ALSO, THE, THE SOUTH VEHICLE GATE, THERE'S AN OPENING ON THE GATE ITSELF WHERE I'VE, I'VE SEEN PERSONALLY INDIVIDUALS GOING IN AND OUT.
UH, SO ULTIMATELY THESE IMAGES, UM, SHOW WHERE PEDESTRIAN GATES ARE EITHER MISSING OR, UH, ARE NOT FUNCTIONING OR NOT CLOSED.
UM, SINCE APPROXIMATELY WHEN WAS, WHEN WERE THESE PICTURES TAKEN? IF YOU'RE AWARE, LEMME JUST ASK, WERE THESE IMAGES TAKEN PRIOR TO THE, UH, FINAL DETERMINATION, UH, LETTER BEING ISSUED? UH, YES.
YOU CAN ALSO SEE IN THE, THE BOTTOM LEFT PICTURE, THERE'S THE, THE STONE THERE.
IT'S MOST LIKELY BEING USED TO PROP IT OPEN.
NOW, UM, SINCE YOUR MOST RECENT INSPECTION AT THE PROPERTY, HAVE YOU NOTICED ANY CHANGES MADE TO THE PEDESTRIAN GATES? UH, WHEN I WAS THERE YESTERDAY MORNING, THE, THE BEAT, THE PEDESTRIAN GATE ON THE SOUTH SIDE ENTRANCE WAS WIDE OPEN AND IT WAS BEING PROPPED OPEN BY A CINDER, BY A CINDER BLOCK.
SO YOU STILL OBSERVED SOME ONGOING ISSUES WITH MAINTAINING, UM, THE PERIMETER FENCE AND SO THAT IT'S SECURED WHEN IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.
UM, HOWEVER, HAVE YOU NOTICED ANY REPAIRS MADE TO THE FENCE? HAS THAT PEDESTRIAN GATE THAT'S MISSING, HAS THAT BEEN REPLACED? ANY PEDESTRIAN GATES THAT WERE, UM, BROKEN? HAVE THEY BEEN REPAIRED? YES.
THE, THERE'S A PEDESTRIAN GATE NOW IN THAT SOUTH ENTRANCE.
IT WAS POPPED OPEN YESTERDAY, BUT THERE THEY HAVE INSTALLED A NEW GATE AND THEN THEY CHANGED THE LOCKING SYSTEM ON THEIR PEDESTRIAN GATES THAT GOES ALONG THE NOCHI MILLER ON THE, THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND WERE THOSE CHANGES MADE AFTER RECEIVING THE CITY'S, UM, UH, PRELIMINARY PRELIMINARY DESIGNATION LETTER? YES.
SO THEREFORE, DID YOU CONSIDER THOSE CHANGES, UM, IN THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT THIS PROPERTY SHOULD BE FINALLY DESIGNATED AS A HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY? NO, I DID NOT.
UM, WAS THE FOCUS ON WHAT MEASURES HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE DURING THE APPLICABLE, UH, MAY 4TH, 2025 TO MAY 4TH, 2026 TIME PERIOD? YES.
TURNING TO THE NEXT IMAGE, CAN YOU TELL US, UM, WHAT DO WE HAVE DEPICTED HERE? THAT IS A, A VACANT APARTMENT THAT WAS, APPEARS TO BE BROKEN INTO BECAUSE THE GLASS WINDOW IS BROKEN.
YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, THE SCREEN IS JUST LAYING OUT THERE IN THE, THE
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YARD.YOU HAVE LITTLE KIDS IN THE AREA, YOU GET CURIOUS AND END UP CUTTING THEMSELVES.
INDIVIDUALS CAN HIDE IN THOSE UNITS AND IT JUST SHOWS LIKE BETTER AWARENESS.
THAT WAS THE MORNING OF, WE WERE THERE.
THEY WERE, THEY WERE, THEY KNEW WE WERE GONNA GO ON AND MAKE THAT INSPECTION THAT DAY.
AND IT STILL SEEMS LIKE NOBODY WALKED THE PROPERTY TO MAKE SURE WHAT'S GOING ON.
I THINK THAT YOU PROBABLY HAVE SOMEBODY WALK THE PROPERTY DAILY, SEE KIND OF WHAT ISSUES ARE ON THE PROPERTY.
AND LET'S DISCUSS, UH, SOME OF THE CRIME PREVENTION MEASURES.
THE PROPERTY PRESENTED, UH, PROVIDED EVIDENCE FOR THAT WAS CONSIDERED, UH, PRIOR TO DPDS DETERMINATION.
SO EVIDENCE THAT WE RECEIVED, UH, WAS INFORMATION ABOUT A CURFEW THAT HAD BEEN PUT IN PLACE, UH, 10:00 PM TO 5:00 AM WE WERE INFORMED THAT THAT MEASURE, UH, WAS INITIATED IN 2021.
UM, THERE'S ALSO EVIDENCE OF 24 7 CT MONITORING OF THEIR CAMERAS THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE IN 2022.
UH, THEY HAD SECURITY OBJECTION.
WOULD YOU MAKE COUNSEL ASK OPEN-ENDED QUESTIONS? UH, THAT THAT'S TRUE.
IN FACT, IF YOU'RE GONNA TESTIFY, WILL ME TO SWEAR YOU IN.
I'M READING FROM THE, UH, EXHIBITS SINCE IT'S A LITTLE SMALL ON THE MONITOR.
BUT, UM, INSPECTOR GOMEZ REGARDING THESE MEASURES THAT WE HAVE OUTLINED FOR THE BOARD AT TAB, TAB 10, UM, WERE THESE MEASURES CONSIDERED, UH, PRIOR TO DPD ISSUING THEIR FINAL DETERMINATION? UH, SOMEONE WHO WAS CONSIDERED? NO.
ALL OF THESE MEASURES THAT ARE OUTLINED ON TAB 10, THAT IS A LITTLE SMALL FOR YOU TO SEE, UH, WERE PROVIDED AT THE TIME OF THE ACCORD MEETING, AND ALL OF THESE MEASURES HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED PRIOR TO, UM, THE NOTICE LETTER BEING ISSUED.
SO THEREFORE, WERE ALL OF THESE MEASURES CONSIDERED PRIOR TO, UH, DPD MAKING THE FINAL DETERMINATION? YES.
SO, UH, WE HAVE MEASURES THAT DATE BACK TO 20 21, 20 22, AND 2023.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, WERE ANY MEASURES THAT THE PROPERTY IMPLEMENTED DURING THE RELEVANT TIME PERIOD OF MAY, 2025 AND MAY, 2026, UH, WERE ANY SIGNIFICANT, UH, MEASURES OR CHANGES TO PRACTICES OR POLICIES? UM, DID YOU RECEIVE ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT? NO.
NOW LASTLY, REGARDING DPDS UH, DECISION TO DESIGNATE THE PROPERTY, HCP, UM, YOU TESTIFIED THAT DPD DID CONSIDER ALL RE RELEVANT EVIDENCE THAT WAS PROVIDED OF CRIME PREVENTION MEASURES IMPLEMENTED PRIOR TO THE NOTICE LETTER BEING ISSUED.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
AND WAS THE GOAL OF THE ACCORD MEETING TO LEARN WHAT ACTIONS THE PROPERTY TOOK PRIOR TO THE NOTICE LETTER BEING ISSUED? MAY 14TH, 2026? YES.
IN EVALUATING WHETHER THE PROPERTY OWNER KNOWINGLY TOLERATED THE AVAILABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, DID YOU CONSIDER THE CRIME PREVENTION MEASURES AND OTHER ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE PROPERTY OWNER ONCE AGAIN BEFORE MAY 14TH, 2026? YES, I DID.
UH, DOES EVALUATING THE MEASURES IN PLACE BEFORE THAT TIME PERIOD, DOES THAT HELP DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE PROPERTY WAS, UH, KNOWINGLY TOLERATING THE CRIME? SO REPHRASING THAT MEASURES TAKING TAKEN AFTER THE PROPERTY, RECEIVED THE NOTICE LETTER, WOULD THAT BE IMPACTFUL ON WHAT MEASURES WERE IMPLEMENTED BETWEEN THE RELEVANT REVIEW PERIOD? NO, I WOULD NOT.
SO, BASED ON YOUR REVIEW OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY OCCURRING AT THE PROPERTY OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS, DID YOU OBSERVE AN INCREASE IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AT THE PROPERTY? YES, I DID.
DID THAT INCREASE DEMONSTRATE A NEED TO REEVALUATE THE CRIME PREVENTION MEASURES IN PLACE AND DETERMINE WHETHER ADDITIONAL REASONABLE MEASURES WOULD BE NECESSARY TO ADDRESS THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY? YES.
BASED ON THE NUMBER AND NATURE OF THE AVAILABLE OFFENSES, THE INCREASE IN HABITUAL CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AND YOUR EVALUATION OF THE CRIME PREVENTION MEASURES IN PLACE
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PRIOR TO MAY 14TH, 2026, DO YOU CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PROPERTY SATISFIES THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A DESIGNATION AS A HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY? YES, I DO FOR THOSE REASONS.ARE YOU ASKING THE BOARD TO AFFIRM THE A CP DESIGNATION TODAY? YES.
DO YOU HAVE CROSS-EXAMINATION? THANK YOU.
IF AN OFFENSE OCCURRED ON A NEARBY STREET ALLEY, UH, WILL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT GIVE THE ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY IF THAT OF THE CLOSEST PROPERTY IN THE INCIDENT REPORT? UH, USUALLY IT GOES OFF ON THE BLOCK NUMBER.
THEY'LL GO OFF THE BLOCK NUMBER.
SO IT HAPPENS IN THE 300 BLOCK OF NORTH MILLER, IT'LL BE TITLED 300 NORTH MILLER.
BUT YOU HAVE SEEN INCIDENT REPORTS THAT GIVE THE CLOSEST ADDRESS, UH, WHEN A OFFENSE HAS OCCURRED ON THE STREET.
IT'S CLOSEST TO WHERE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED? YES.
AND THE REPORTS, THE INCIDENT REPORTS DO NOT SAY WHETHER THE ACCUSED RESIDED AT THE PROPERTY OR TRESPASSED AND INTRUDED ON THE PROPERTY.
DO THEY? IT'LL LIST THEIR, THEIR HOME ADDRESS IF THEY, THEY, THEY GAVE IT WHEN THEY WERE INTERVIEWED, BUT IF THE ACCUSED WAS ALREADY GONE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE ACCUSED WAS RESIDING ON THE PROPERTY OR NOT? TRUE.
UH, IT DEPENDS ON THE WITNESS INFORMATION, THE WITNESS YOU OR NOT.
BUT IT, IT'S POSSIBLE THEY DON'T.
AND FOR ALL THESE INCIDENT REPORTS, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THESE OFFENSES WERE PROSECUTED BY DPD AND THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY? TRUE.
AND YOU DID NOT PRESENT, YOU WERE AT THE ACCORD MEETING TRUE? YES.
YOU DID NOT PRESENT ALL OF THE INCIDENT REPORTS IN TAB SIX OF THE CITY'S PRESENTATION TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS AT THE ACCORD MEETING.
AND INSTEAD, YOU PRESENTED A ONE OR TWO PAGE LIST OF OFFENSES TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AT THE ACCORD MEETING.
THE, UH, THE OFFENSE REPORTS HAVE SENSITIVE INFORMATION, SO WE CAN'T JUST GET THOSE OUT.
BUT THE TWO PAGE SUMMARY GIVES NO DETAILS TO THE PROPERTY OWNER ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT OCCURRED AND WHERE IT OCCURRED.
YEAH, THAT THE TWO PAGES, IT JUST GIVES YOU HOW YOU CAN OBTAIN THE POLICE REPORTS.
IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE ACTUAL REPORT DONE.
AND THAT WAS THE EVIDENCE OF THE DEBATABLE CRIMES PRESENTED TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AT THE ACCORD MEETING? TRUE THIS LETTER OR, YES.
THESE ARE THE INCIDENCES RELATED TO THE PROPERTY.
AND PLEASANT GROVE IS A HIGHER CRIME AREA IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
THERE'S CRIME AND
AND FOR THE RECORD, UH, THE FIRST ONE I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, TALK ABOUT IS THE ONE THAT AT THE BOTTOM CORNER SAYS COD 0 0 0 70.
AND THAT REPORT IS ABOUT A DEADLY DISCHARGE OF A FIREARM, TRUE? CORRECT.
AND AT THE TOP OF PAGE TWO OF THAT INCIDENT REPORT, IT SAYS THAT AN UNKNOWN SUSPECT SHOT AND DAMAGED THE COMPLAINANT'S WINDOW.
AND WHEN YOU TURN TO PAGE THREE OF THAT INCIDENT REPORT, IT SAYS THAT THE COMPLAINANT HEARD THREE OR FOUR GUNSHOTS AND SHE OBSERVED HER APARTMENT WINDOW TO HAVE A BULLET HOLE.
THERE'S NO IN INFORMATION IN THE INCIDENT REPORT THAT THE SHOOTER WAS ON THE PROPERTY.
SO THE SHOOTER IN THIS INCIDENT REPORT MIGHT HAVE BEEN LOCATED OFF THE PROPERTY AND SHOT A BULLET TOWARD THE PROPERTY? TRUE.
I WANT TO TURN TO THE SECOND INCIDENT REPORT, COD 79.
IT'S THE FIRST PAGE THAT ALSO CONCERNS DISCHARGE OF A FIREARM.
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TRUE? YES.AND WHEN YOU TURN TO PAGE THREE OF THAT REPORT, THE COMPLAINANT TESTIFIED THAT HER 2008 FORD FUSION IN 1997, CHEVY PICKUP WAS SHOT AT, THAT SHE HEARD THE GUNSHOTS AT 2:30 AM BUT WAS INSIDE THE APARTMENT.
SO THOSE BULLETS ALSO MIGHT HAVE BEEN FIRED FROM OFF THE PROPERTY.
I WANNA TURN TO THE THIRD INCIDENT REPORT THAT I'VE HANDED YOU THAT'S MARKED COD 96.
AND IT'S A REPORT ABOUT AN ARSON.
AND THE TOP OF PAGE TWO OF THAT INCIDENT REPORT, IT SAYS, AN UNKNOWN SUSPECT INTENTIONALLY SET A FIRE CAUSING DAMAGE.
AND ON PAGE THREE OF THAT INCIDENT REPORT ON THE NARRATIVE, ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SECOND PARAGRAPH, IT SAYS, THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT ADVISED HIM TO CALL DALLAS POLICE, WHICH HE DID.
OKAY, SO MANAGEMENT IS TELLING PEOPLE TO REPORT CRIMES TO THE POLICE, TRUE DISTANCE, AND YES.
AND THEN AT THE LAST PARAGRAPH IT SAYS, THE IGNITION WAS THE RESULT OF AN UNKNOWN SUSPECT.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE PERSON WHO COMMITTED THIS CRIME HAS ANY CONNECTION TO THE PROPERTY OR WAS AN INTRUDER WHO CAME ONTO THE PROPERTY.
UH, WE DON'T, BECAUSE ANYBODY CAN JUST WALK INTO THAT PROPERTY.
AT THE TIME, THERE WERE NO GATES, THERE WAS NOTHING PREVENTING IN FROM THE DOCUMENT ONTO THIS.
SO IT, IT'S YOUR TESTIMONY THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER IS AT FAULT BECAUSE ANYTIME THAT A CRIMINAL INCIDENT REPORT IS FILED BY DALLAS POLICE TRUE.
I'M NOT SAYING HE'S AT FAULT, BUT IF THE GATES AND PEDESTRIAN GATES WERE CLOSED AND WORKING PROPERLY, HOW WOULD THAT INDIVIDUAL ENTER THE PROPERTY PASS A WITNESS.
GOMEZ INSPECTOR GOMEZ, DESPITE THESE THREE OFFENSES THAT COUNSEL HAS IDENTIFIED, UH, THERE WILL STILL BE 14 AVAILABLE OFFENSES THAT OCCURRED AT THE PROPERTY WITHIN THE RELEVANT TIME PERIOD.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
UM, ALSO, UH, TO THE EXTENT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT SHOTS WERE FIRED OFF THE PROPERTY THAT LANDED ON THE PROPERTY, UM, FROM YOUR EVALUATION OF THE NEIGHBORING TWO APARTMENT COMPLEXES, UH, WERE YOU SEEING THAT THEY HAD SIMILAR INCIDENTS OCCURRING ON THEIR PROPERTY? NO.
THIS IS, UH, BOARD QUESTION TIME.
MAKE SURE TO STOP, UM, FOR THE MEMBERS.
LET'S, RATHER THAN, UH, DOING IT BY DISTRICT, LET'S, LET'S DO IT ALPHABETICALLY.
UM, YOU SAY ALL, I DID NOT COME IN.
I CAN YOU HEAR ME?
DOES THE CREEKSIDE APARTMENT HAVE BARBED WIRE ON THE FENCE? DID YOU NOTICE IT AT ANY TIME? UH, THEY HAD A, AT ONE POINT, COUPLE YEARS BEFORE, BUT THEY WERE TOLD THEY HAD TO TAKE HIM OUT.
THEY WERE ADVISED BY CODE COMPLIANCE TO REMOVE THEM.
SO THAT WASN'T, SO, SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S OBVIOUSLY SOMEWHAT OF DETERRENCE, BUT I GUESS CODE COMPLIANCE SAYS, CAN YOU BE, CAN YOU BE APPROVED FOR THE BARBED WIRE WITH CO I DON'T, NO, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
NOT IN A, THAT TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL AREA.
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UM, WHAT IS PROBABLY ADVISED OR WHEN YOU'RE, UH, OR IN THESE, IN THIS ACCORD MEETING, WHAT CAN ADVISE INSTEAD OF BARBED WIRE? IT'S AN OVERHANG THAT EXTENDS TOP OF THE FENCE LINE AND KIND OF OVERHANGS AND IT ON TO YOUR SIDE.SO IT KIND OF PREVENTS PEOPLE FROM JUST JUMPING OVER.
IT'S KIND, HAVE LIKE A LITTLE SHARPER END.
AND DO YOU KNOW IF THAT'S A COST ISSUE FOR PROPERTY OWNERS BARBED WIRE VERSUS THIS OVERHANG? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT BARBED WIRE'S NOT ALLOWED? IT IS NOT, NO.
AND SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN APPROVAL BY THE CITY TO HAVE THAT BARBED WIRE THERE, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND IS IT, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WHAT IS PREVENTABLE IS TO HAVE SOMEBODY WALK THE PROPERTY AND REMOVE THE CEMENT PILLARS OR CEMENT BLOCKS OR ANYTHING KEEPING OPEN GATES, MAKE THEM CLOSED? CORRECT.
LIKE, UH, UM, THE INSPECTION WE DID ON SEPTEMBER 22ND, I WALKED WITH MR. ABED AND I TOLD HIM THERE WAS A BIG ROCK RIGHT NEXT TO THAT GATE.
I SAID, THEY'RE GONNA USE THAT TO PROP IT.
AND WHEN I CAME YESTERDAY, WHEN I WENT THERE YESTERDAY MORNING, THEY USED THAT BIG ROCK TO PROP OPEN THAT SAME GATE THAT I ASKED HIM ABOUT.
AND IT SEEMS, DO YOU KNOW IF THE SECURITY GUARDS THAT ARE ALLEGEDLY WERE WALKING OR I I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE WALKING OR NOT.
DO YOU KNOW IF THEY WERE WALKING THE PREMISES OR JUST SITTING IN A CAR OR SITTING IN ONE SPOT? THE ONE TIME WE SAW HIM IN THE JUNE 11TH NIGHT INSPECTION DID, HE WAS SITTING IN HIS TRUCK, NOT WALKING AROUND.
DO YOU KNOW IF, DID YOU TALK TO HIM OR DO YOU KNOW IF THEY I DID, I SPOKE TO HIM AND SAYS, UH, YEAH, HE CAME OUT OF HIS, LOOKED LIKE HIS PERSONAL VEHICLE.
THERE WAS NO MARKED VEHICLE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
OH, HE WAS JUST IN A PERSONAL VEHICLE? YES, CORRECT.
SO YOU DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS SECURITY OR NOT? MEANING IF I WAS A TENANT, I WOULDN'T KNOW THAT UNLESS I KNEW HIM AS A PERSON.
DID HE HAVE ANY UNIFORM ON? HE DID HAVE A UNIFORM ON.
DO YOU KNOW IF, DID YOU ASK HIM IF HE EVER WALKED THE ACTUAL PREMISES? HE SAID, HE SAYS HE DID.
THEY WALK AROUND EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.
DO YOU KNOW IF HE WOULD'VE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR ACTUALLY REMOVING THOSE ROCKS AND, AND TO HELP WITH SECURITY? I, I DUNNO IF HE WAS TASKED WITH THAT.
SOMEBODY SHOULD HAVE BEEN TASKED WITH IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE.
THERE'S SOME PHOTOS IN HERE THAT SEEMED TO BE TAKEN BY, I THINK IT WAS SOS SECURITY, I THINK THEY WERE ACTUALLY IN THE CITY'S EXHIBIT, BUT I GUESS I'M CURIOUS, THEY SEEN THEM KIND OF SHOW THE SAME PHOTOS.
DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THOSE PHOTOS? UH, NO.
THE ANSWER FAIR QUICKLY, YOU'RE ON HIS PHONE, I THINK YOU, YOU SAID NO? YES, SIR.
UM, UH, DR. JACKSON, MY MIC ON FOREVER.
I JUST HAVE A, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
I SEE SOME OF THE OFFENSES, UH, WE'RE AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS FROM 3 24 AND MAYBE 3 44, AND THE PROPERTY SAYS 3 78.
ALSO SHOW THE PROPERTY AT THREE 14 TO 3 78.
SO ARE WE SAYING THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THOSE AREAS THAT FALL WITHIN THAT OFFENSE? THOSE, UH, 3 78 IS KIND OF LIKE THE OFFICE NUMBER TO THE COMPLEX, BUT EVERY BUILDING IN THAT COMPLEX HAS A DIFFERENT BUILDING NUMBER.
THAT'S WHY YOU SEE ALL THE, ALL THE DIFFERENT RANGES.
AND DURING THE, UH, DIFFERENT, UH, CONVERSATION YOU HAD WITH THE, UH, OWNER, DID YOU SEE ANY OTHER KIND OF IMPROVEMENT? UM, MAYBE, UH, DETERRING SOME OF THOSE, UH, RES UH, VISITORS, MAYBE, UH, ATTENDING, UH, ATTENDANCE VISIT, TENANT.
DO YOU HOLD, UM, DID YOU SEE ANY KIND OF IMPROVEMENT THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER MIGHT HAVE MADE TO TRY TO, UH, ENFORCE THOSE TENANTS VISITORS, UH, FOR THOSE VIOLATIONS? I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT QUESTION ONE MORE TIME? OKAY, SURE.
UM, DO YOU, WITHOUT THOSE, UM, OFFENSES, THERE MAY NOT BE TENANTS, BUT MAYBE VISITING TENANTS, DO YOU SEE ANY OTHER KINDA IMPROVEMENT THAT THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER MAY HAVE ENFORCED THE TENANTS TO DETER REGARDING THOSE VISITORS? NO, BECAUSE THE GATE, THEY, THEY LEAVE THE GATE OPEN FROM 6:00 AM TO 6:00 PM VOLUNTARILY OPEN.
THAT'S KIND OF THEIR PROCEDURE RIGHT NOW.
SO ANYBODY CAN GO INTO THAT PROPERTY WHENEVER THEY WANT.
AND DO YOU, ON THOSE GATES, DO YOU SEE THAT THEY ARE BEING, UH, CLOSED AT THE TIME THAT, UM, YOU MENTIONED? WELL, I WAS THERE.
I WAS THERE YESTERDAY AT 5:40 AM AND IT WAS, THE GATE WAS OPEN AND SUPPOSEDLY THEY WERE CLOSED FROM 6:00 PM TO 6:00 AM.
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AND ONE OTHER QUESTION, I I APOLOGIZE THAT, UH, WITH ALL THESE OFFENSES AND YOU HAVE TALKED TO THE PROPERTY MANAGER, DID YOU SEE ANY OTHER KIND OF IMPROVEMENT THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE TRIED TO IMPROVE TO AVOID THESE VIOLATIONS? THEY HAVE ADDED A SECOND SECURITY.UM, UM, MR. DEPUTY, MR. JEFFS, I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
MR. CHAIRMAN? MR. QUINT, THANK YOU CHAIR.
DETECTIVE GOMEZ, THANK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO FOR THE CITY.
SO YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT CRIME IS INCREASING YEAR BY YEAR, PERCENTAGE WISE.
WOULD YOU SAY IT'S GROWING, UH, GREATER, UH, EACH YEAR THAN PERCENTAGE WISE IN THE YEAR BEFORE? YES, IT IS.
SO, AND MOST OF THE CRIMES YOU SAID ARE WITH A FIREARM? CORRECT.
AND READING THROUGH THESE CRIMES, WERE THERE ANY MISDEMEANORS IN THESE CRIMES? I THINK THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN ONE, I BELIEVE MAYBE ONE.
SO ONE OUTTA 17 WERE MISDEMEANORS, THE REST WERE FELONIES.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER THESE FELONIES, UH, SERIOUS FELONIES? YES.
UM, SO YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE 95 PAGES FOR CAUSE OF ASSISTANCE.
IS THAT AN INORDINATE AMOUNT FOR THE CITY? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A LARGE AMOUNT FOR ONE SPECIFIC PROPERTY.
ARE ARE THERE ANY MANY OTHER CASES IN THE CITY THAT HAVE THAT MANY? JUST A FEW PROBLEM AREA MOST OF THE TIME.
SO, SO YOU CONSIDER THIS A REALLY, REALLY HIGH CRIME AREA OR AT, OR, UH, PLACE? YES.
ESPECIALLY SPEAKING WITH OTHER OFFICERS THAT WORKED AT PATROL DIVISION? YES.
SO YOU ALSO STATED THAT Y'ALL DESIGNATED THIS PARTICULAR APARTMENT A HOTSPOT.
ARE THERE MANY OTHER HOT SPOTS IN THE, IN THE CITY? MUCH LESS THE AREA.
THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT A HANDFUL AT A TIME.
SO IT'S SIGNIFICANT THAT THERE'RE A HOTSPOT.
AND YET YOU ALSO STATED THAT THERE'S A GREATER POLICE PRESENCE IN THAT HOTSPOT AREA, CORRECT? YES.
SO, SO IN ESSENCE, THE OWNER'S REALLY NOT DOING MUCH TO, TO DISSUADE CRIME ON THEIR PROPERTY.
SO YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT ADJACENT APARTMENTS ONE HAD ONE OFFENSE AND THE OTHER HAD FOUR OFFENSES.
SO IS THERE ANY REASON WHY THESE TWO THAT WERE ADJACENT HAD ALMOST NO CRIME AND YET THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX WAS OFF THE CHARTS WITH CRIME
THEY'RE, THEY HAVE BETTER CRIME PREVENTION MEASURES IN PLACE.
IT'S JUST GOING STRAIGHT BY THE NUMBERS THAT THAT WOULD APPEAR.
SO I, WE SAW A PICTURE OF SOMEONE CLIMBING OVER THE FENCE.
COULD THE, COULD THE APPELLATE DO A LOT MORE TO KEEP THOSE FENCES WHERE THEY WOULD KEEP PEOPLE OUT? THEY COULD, THEY CAN, IF YOU CAN ADD LIKE REAL THORNY BUSHES ALONG THE FENCE LINE, IT'S ONE WAY TO DO IT.
OR JUST ADD LIKE AN EXTRA LAYER OF FENCING THROUGHOUT, JUST FOR PEOPLE TO ABLE TO STICK THEIR, THEIR FEET IN BETWEEN.
OH, IN YOUR OPINION, ARE THEY DOING ENOUGH WITH THE GATING? MR. CLINTON? YOU'RE UP.
UM, UH, MR. SAXON, THANK YOU CHAIR.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THE, THE ADDRESS PIECE.
SO, UM, ON PAGE 1 43, IT SHOWS A MAP, UM, FOR THE CITY'S, UH, EVIDENCE, IT SHOWS A MAP.
BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S NOT HAND DRAWN, BUT THERE'S SOME HANDWRITTEN, UM, NUMBERS ON THERE.
IT APPEARS THAT IT HAS THE 3, 2, 4, ALL THE REST OF THE ADDRESSES LISTED THERE.
CORRECT? CAN I JUST ASK WHERE THAT CAME FROM? JUST, JUST WHAT THE, UH, SOURCE OF THAT IS? IT WAS, LET'S SEE.
SORRY, IT'S PAGE 1, 4 3 AS PER THE, YEAH.
PAGE, NO, PAGE 1 43 AS THE PDF.
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IT'S THE ONLY, IT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS MORE THAN ON IT.THE MAP OF PROPERTY IS THE FIRST ONE FROM D AD.
THE SECOND PAGE IS THE ADDRESS.
IT KINDA LOOKS LIKE A HANDWRITTEN ITEM.
THEN I CAN PAUSE MY THUMB FOR THAT OR, OKAY.
CAN I ASK OTHER QUESTIONS WHILE THEY'RE LOOKING IT UP?
I'M JUST GONNA ASK, WELL, YEAH, YEAH.
UM, LOOKING AT THE EVIDENCE FOR THE, OH, SORRY, GO AHEAD.
THAT IS THE BELIEF JUST FROM THE RELEASE OFFICE.
UM, FOLLOW UP OR NEXT QUESTION.
UM, LOOKING AT THE EVIDENCE SUBMITTED, I SEE A TOWING CONTRACT FOR 2021.
UM, I SEE CAMERAS WERE INSTALLED IN MAY 20, WHICH IS AFTER THE FIRST LETTER SENT TO THEM ON MAY 14TH.
AND THEN I SEE A SECURITY AGREEMENT FOR AUGUST OF 2026, UM, FOR CAMERAS AND FOR SECURITY.
DID YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THOSE WERE THERE PRIOR TO MAY 14TH, 2026? THE, THE CAMERAS WERE THERE, THERE, THE ISSUES WITH THE CAMERAS THERE, THERE, THERE'S NO CAMERAS THAT FACE THE BREEZEWAYS, SO THERE'S ISSUES IN THE BREEZEWAY, BUT OKAY.
YOU'RE NOT GETTING ABLE TO SEE 'EM.
AND THEN THERE, THERE'S NO CAMERAS THAT WERE FACING, NOR JIM MILLER.
SO YOU COULDN'T SEE THE PEDESTRIAN GATES.
YOU COULDN'T SEE WHO'S COMING IN, WHO'S COMING UP, WHO'S POPPING IT.
AND FOR SECURITY NOTICE CONTRACT FOR ANY SECURITY PERSONNEL BEFORE MAY 14TH, 2026? YES.
UH, FOR, FOR ONE OFFICER, TAKE A PIECE OUT HERE IF YOU, OKAY, THANK YOU.
UM, MS. HIN, NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
UH, RIGHT NOW, SHARON, THANK YOU.
UH, MS. THOMAS LOST HER INTERNET CONNECTION AT 9 47.
UM, SO THAT'S MS. THOMAS, SO WE'LL COME BACK AND MS. TORRES IS NOT HERE.
UM, DETECTIVE YOU, YOU ANSWERED, UH, EARLIER THAT, UM, THAT YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO PROVIDE INCIDENT REPORTS BECAUSE OF, OF, OF SENSITIVE INFORMATION.
WHY CAN'T YOU JUST REDACT THAT? YOU HAVE TO, IT'S LIKE A TRAINING TO BE REDACTED TO, TO REDACT LIKE SPECIFIC PEOPLE REDACT THE REPORTS.
I I CAN'T JUST REDACT IT MYSELF.
SO I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 70 OF, UM, CITY'S EXHIBIT ONE.
UH, AND I DON'T WANNA SAY IT BECAUSE WE'RE IN PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I, I SEE A COMPLAINANT'S, FULL NAME, DRIVER'S LICENSE AND CELL PHONE, AND I JUST, I'M, IF THAT'S A MISTAKE, THAT THAT'S ONE THING.
IF IT'S JUST A SELECTIVE REASON NOT TO REDACT THAT, THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THE POLICY IS, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.
AND 73 HAS THE, UM, THE NARRATIVE MANAGED THE PARTY GIVE FULL NAME.
SO MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE'RE ALLOWED TO REDACT AFTER THE FACT, BUT THAT'S WHAT THINKING, UH, JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE PEOPLE, UM, IN YOUR, UH, YOUR INITIAL LETTER.
SO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT NUMBERS.
NUMBERS, UH, UM, THEY'RE THE, UH, THE, UH, ASSAULT, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE, YEAH.
NUMBERS 1, 2, 3, 8, 9, 10, AND 12.
UM, SHOW A, THOSE ARE ALL DISCHARGES IN A COMMON AREA OF THE PROPERTY IS, WHERE IS THAT IN 1 25?
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WHAT DOES THAT TRACK TO, TO, TO, IN TERMS OF DEBATABLE OFFENSES? SO RECKLESSLY DISCHARGING FIVE.I'LL ALSO ADD, THERE SEEMED TO BE SOME, UM, UM, SHOOTINGS THAT ARE, THAT ARE GROUPED TOGETHER ONE DAY AFTER THE OTHER.
I, I'M WONDERING WHETHER THOSE REALLY ARE SEPARATE, WHICH IS SEPARATE DATE REPORTS, BUT MY TIME IS UP.
SECOND ROUND THROUGH, UH, VICE CHAIR ILLA.
UM, IF THE GATE DOORS ARE NOT PROPPED AND THEY'RE CLOSED, DO YOU KNOW HOW ONE WOULD ACCESS TO ENTER INTO THE, TO THE PROPERTY? IS THAT A FOB? IS IT A, A MANUAL KEY OR A IT'S A CODE.
AND DO YOU KNOW IF THE CODES ACTUALLY WORK? I DO NOT.
I WAS TOLD THAT THEY CHANGED THE CODE OUT EVERY TWO MONTHS.
BUT YOU NEVER TESTED IT? NO, I, I JUST, I JUST CHECKED IF IT WORKED, IF IT WAS WORKING OR NOT.
DO YOU KNOW DEPARTMENT'S PROTOCOL TO REPORTING REPAIRS? DID THEY EXPLAIN THAT TO YOU IN THE ACCORD MEETING OR AT ANY OTHER TIME? NO.
THE REASON I ASK IS, 'CAUSE YOU MENTIONED THAT WHEN YOU WALKED THE PREMISES, THERE WAS A WINDOW THAT WAS BUSTED OUT.
AND SO DID THEY EXPLAIN K OH, WELL, WE NEED TO BE TOLD, OR TYPICALLY WHEN THE PROPERTY MANAGER, WHO'S HERE TODAY, AND WE CAN ASK, WALKS THE PROPERTY OR ASSUME THEY WALKED THE PROPERTY, THEY WOULD'VE REPORTED IT, PUT IT ON A BOARD, AND WE'RE GETTING TO IT.
'CAUSE IT JUST HAPPENED THIS MORNING.
DID THEY EXPLAIN ANYTHING TO YOU? NO.
I THINK THAT WAS A VACANT UNIT, SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF SOMEONE WOODWARD REPORT IT, BUT, OKAY.
UM, YEAH, THE REST OF MY QUESTIONS ARE FOR LATER ON.
OTHER QUESTIONS? THANKS, CHAIR.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.
SO, THE APPELLANT'S ATTORNEY ASKED THE QUESTION OF HOW MANY OF THE CRIMES WERE PROSECUTED.
IS THAT QUESTION EVEN GERMANE TO THESE PROCEEDINGS? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
EVEN AN INVESTIGATION WAS CONDUCTED AND THE REPORT WAS MADE.
UNFORTUNATELY, NOT EVERY CRIME IS SOLVED.
SO, FOLLOW UP TO THAT QUESTION.
SO IN THE CITY CODE, DOES IT STATE ANYWHERE THAT THESE CRIMES HAVE TO BE PROSECUTED OR JUST OCCUR? OCCUR? NOT THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE PROSECUTED.
AND YOU STATED THAT THERE'S NO CAMERAS IN THE BREEZEWAY OR FACING JIM MILLER.
IF THERE WERE CAMERAS THERE, WOULD THAT HELP ABATE CRIME? THERE'S CAMERAS NOT, BUT AT THE TIME, IF THERE WERE NO CAMERAS FACING THOSE PEDESTRIAN GATES, SO IF YOU HAD CAMERAS AND SUPPOSEDLY THEY HAVE A CAMERA MONITORING SYSTEM 24 7, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER AND SAY, HEY, SOMEONE'S ENTERING THIS PROPERTY, OR SOMEONE'S PROP THIS DOOR OPEN.
CAN WE GET TO IT AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT? BUT DOESN'T REALLY APPEAR THAT GOES ON.
WELL, JUST ONE LAST QUESTION, DETECTIVE.
IF THE DECISION TO PUT THE HCP ON THIS PROPERTY SOLELY FELL ON YOUR SHOULDERS AND YOUR SHOULDERS ONLY, WOULD YOU PUT THE DESIGNATION OUT THERE? YES.
UM, MR. SAXON, AND I ASSUME WE DON'T HAVE MS. THOMAS YET.
WHEN WE DO HAVE MS. THOMAS, WE OWE YOU TIME IF YOU WANT TO.
I DON'T SEE IT, BUT THANK YOU, DETECTIVE.
UM, FOR THE, JUST FOR MY SANITY, UH, MAY 14TH, 2026 WAS THE FIRST, UH, LETTER SENT TO THIS PROPERTY, LETTING THEM KNOW OF THE HCP, AND THEN THE FINAL DETERMINATION WAS JULY 22ND, 2026.
SO, AGAIN, FOR MY SANITY, WHAT THEY'VE IMPLEMENTED AFTER MAY 14TH IS GREAT.
LIKE, IT'S, IT'S, THEY'RE ON THEIR WAY TO GETTING THE HCP DESIGNATION REMOVED IN ONE YEAR'S TIME.
IF THEY WERE TO KEEP THAT UP AND MAYBE KNOCK OUT SOME MORE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD SUGGEST IN THE NEXT YEAR YES.
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MAY 14TH IS NOT WHAT WE ARE CONSIDERING FOR KEEPING THE HCP DISTINCTION, CORRECT? YES.SO IN YOUR OPINION, I, I HAD ASKED IN MY LAST ROUND ABOUT CAMERAS, ABOUT SECURITY, UM, AND ABOUT TOWING.
DID THEY HAVE, I GUESS, DID THEY, THEY HAD THOSE THINGS IN PLACE, BUT THEY JUST WERE NOT ADEQUATE.
CORRECT? UM, THAT, THAT'S ALL FOR ME.
MS. SMITH? NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO, OKAY.
SO MS. THOMAS, ARE WE STILL MISSING YOU? HUH? OKAY.
UM, WE MAY TRY TO GET HER AFTER, AFTER WE'RE DONE WITH THIS ROUND ONE.
YOU, UH, MR. DETECTIVE GOMEZ, YOU, YOU MEANT THERE WERE CAMERAS PRIOR TO THE, THE LETTER? YES.
AND THE DEFICIENCY OF THE CAMERAS WAS WHAT? JUST THE VIEWS, LIKE NOTHING INTO THE BREEZEWAYS AND ESPECIALLY NOTHING OUT TO WHERE THE GATES ARE.
IT'S KIND OF, YOU WOULD WANT TO SEE WHO'S COMING IN AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, AND, AND WHEN YOU GET THE REPORTS THAT, THAT WERE GENERATED, ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE WHO, WHO THE CALLER WAS? YES.
SO, SO WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO FILTER FOR WHETHER THE MANAGEMENT IS DOING THE CALLING FOR THESE 17 INCIDENTS? I HAVEN'T WRITTEN DOWN.
UM, AND MY STANDARD, THIS PART OF STANDARD, THEY DIDN'T, THEY DID NOT CALL ON ANY OF THESE 17 IN THESE SEVEN.
NONE, NONE OF THEM WERE SECURITY.
DID NOT CALL THE CAMERA MONITORING SYSTEM DID NOT CALL THEM.
SO HOW WERE THEY? THAT WAS OKAY.
JUST THE COMPLAINANTS, MOSTLY THE COMPLAINANTS AND THEN PATROL OFFICERS BEING PROACTIVE MARKUPS.
SO WHEN WAS THIS PROPERTY A HOTSPOT? I BELIEVE THE LAST TIME IT WENT FROM, FROM MAY 26TH THROUGH JULY, I BELIEVE.
SO AFTER THE LETTER AND UNTIL 2023, IT GOES AS FAR AS BACK AS THAT IT'S, THEY KEEP COMING BACK AS BEING HOTSPOTS THEY COME, THAT, THAT MEANS THAT THERE IS SOMEBODY THERE AND IT BECOMES A PRIORITY RESPONSE? NO, IT, THEY'LL JUST STAY OUT THERE FOR, I WANNA SAY IT'S LIKE 15 OR 20 MINUTES.
SO THAT DOESN'T GIVE IT A PRIORITY RESPONSE TO A CALL OR NO, NOT, NOT LIKE THAT.
UM, DO WE HAVE MS. THOMAS? I SHOULD.
SO MY LAWYER WAS LOOKING AT ME.
YES, THAT WAS WHAT I, WHERE I WAS HEADED.
LET'S TAKE, JUST SO WE CAN TRY TO GET MS. THOMAS SO THAT SHE'S HERE TO, TO HEAR, UH, ALL OF THE TESTIMONY AND WE'LL, WE'LL JUST TAKE A, UH, A BREAK.
IT'S NO LONGER THAN 10 MINUTES, SO, SO WE WILL, UH, RECESS UNTIL 10 12.
IT IS, UH, 10 15, UH, ON OCTOBER 1ST, 2026.
UH, EL LAB IS IS BACK IN SESSION.
UM, WE HAD FINISHED WITH THE CITY'S CASE, SO, UM, UH, IT IS YOUR BALL.
I FIRST ASK A BIT ASRANI TO, UH, TESTIFY.
UH, WHAT IS YOUR NAME? MY NAME IS, UH, AVI.
BRIEFLY TELL THE BOARD ABOUT YOUR EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND.
YEAH, I AM, UH, UH, THE BY QUALITY EDUCATION.
I HAVE A CHARTER CO, UH, CHARTERED ACCOUNTANT.
AND I AM WORKING, UH, THE PROPERTY MANAGER FOR A, MANAGING THIS PROPERTY FOR LAST 10 YEARS.
AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU MANAGED THE, UH, CREEKSIDE APARTMENTS? UH, 10 YEARS.
AND ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH STEPS THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS TAKEN TO REDUCE AND PREVENT CRIME? UH, YES.
UH, HAS THE OWNER DOES, DOES THE OWNER HAVE A FENCE
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AND A GATE, UH, AROUND THE PROPERTY? MM-HMM.AND DOES, UH, HOW DOES THE GATE WORK? UH, GATES, UH, GATES, UH, UH, WORK, UH, UH, BY THE, UH, CODE NUMBERS, UH, EVERY, UH, THE RESIDENCE HAVE A CODE TO ENTER THE, UH, PROPERTY.
AND HOW OFTEN DOES THE CODE CHANGE? UH, TWO MONTHS.
AND TELL ME ABOUT THE PROPERTIES LIGHTING, UH, LIGHTNING.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, LIKE, UH, UH, EVERYWHERE, UH, UH, EACH BREEZEWAY, UH, HAS, UH, LIKE TWO FLOOD LIGHTS AROUND THE PROPERTY.
SO WE HAVE LIKE AROUND 12 BUILDINGS WHERE, LIKE, AROUND 80 LIGHTS AROUND THE PROPERTY.
AND HOW LONG HAVE THOSE LIGHTS BEEN THERE? MM-HMM.
AND THEREFORE, MAY ABOUT LIKE, MAYBE 10 YEARS, BECAUSE IT IS ALWAYS THERE.
AND DOES THE PROPERTY OWNER REGULARLY TRIM THE TREES ON THE PROPERTY? YES.
AND HAS THE PROPERTY OWNER INSTALLED ANY SIGNS TO DETER FROM? YES, WE HAVE, UH, UH, SIGN OR, UH, NO LOADING SIGNS.
UH, NO GUNS ALLOWED, UH, UH, UH, MOD, UH, 24 HOURS MONITORING BA UH, NO BACKPACKS ALLOWED, UH, SIGNS LIKE THAT.
UH, ARE THERE ANY LOCK TAKE AND HIDE SIGNS ON THE PROPERTY? YES.
ARE THERE ANY NO TRESPASSING SIGNS ON THE PROPERTY? YES.
UH, DOES, UH, UH, DO YOU MONITOR THE GATES AND THE FENCES ON THE PROPERTY? YES.
HOW DO YOU DO THAT? LIKE WE, UH, UH, LIKE, UH, HOW DO YOU MONITOR THE GATES AND THE FENCES ON THE PROPERTY? SO GATE FENCES, LIKE, UH, UH, WE CAN MONITOR THROUGH THE CAMERA AND IF THE, IF SOME ISSUE WITH THE GATE, UH, WE HAVE, UH, UH, THE, UH, THE CONTRACT WITH THE GATE COMPANY.
SO THEY COME AND TAKE THE GATE, UH, PROPERTY, IMMEDIATE.
AND DOES THE PROPERTY OWNER HAVE A COMPANY THAT MONITORS THE CAMERAS ON THE PROPERTY? YES.
UH, HOW MANY CAMERAS ARE ON THE PROPERTY? UH, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, UH, LIKE, UH, 33 CAMERAS AND, UH, ONE FLOCK CAMERA.
DID THE PROPERTY OWNER INSTALL THE FLOCK CAMERA AT THE REQUEST OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT? NO.
UM, DOES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAVE ACCESS TO THE FLOCK CAMERA AT ALL TIMES? YEAH.
POLICE DEPARTMENT HAVE ACCESS, UH, TO BLOCK CAMERA.
AND ALSO, UH, THEY HAVE, UH, UH, UH, RECENTLY THEY HAVE, UH, THAT, UH, QUEUES CONNECT, UH, SOFTWARE, WHICH ALLOW, UH, DPD TO, UH, ACCESS TO ALL THE 33 CAMERAS ALSO.
AND ARE THE CAMERAS MONITORED? HOW MUCH OF THE TIME ARE THE CAMERAS MONITORED BY THE OUTSIDE COMPANY? IT'S 24 7.
AND, UH, HOW LONG, UH, HAVE YOU HAD THAT CAMERA SYSTEM? CAMERA? WE HAVE LIKE ABOUT EIGHT OR NINE YEARS.
UM, IS THE OWNER, DOES THE OWNER FOR THE PROPERTY HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE PROPERTY? YES.
UH, HAS THE OWNER, UH, HAD THE MULTI-TENANT INSPECTION OF THE PROPERTY? YES.
UH, WHAT HAVE BEEN THE SCORES FROM THE CITY'S MULTI-TENANT INSPECTIONS OF THE PROPERTY IN THE LAST FEW YEARS? LIKE, UH, WE HAVE, UH, TWO INSPECTIONS, LIKE IN THE, UH, LAST, UH, 2021, THE SCORE, 94.
AND THEN WE HAVE IN 2025 INSPECTIONS, WE SCORE 96.
UH, YOU SAW SOME PHOTOGRAPHS ABOUT A BROKEN WINDOW AND HEARD SOME TESTIMONY ABOUT A BROKEN WINDOW.
UH, WHY WAS THE WINDOW BROKEN? THE, UH, BROKEN, I BELIEVE THAT WAS, UH, UH, APARTMENT, UH, 10 10, I THINK.
SO THAT WAS, UH, THE, UH, LADY WAS EVICTED AND SHE WAS MAD, SO SHE BROKE THE WINDOW, AND WE HAVE FIXED IT NOW.
THE NEW TENANT ALREADY MOVED IN,
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AND WE DID THE MAKE READY, EVERYTHING IS EVERYTHINGHOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU TO FIX THE WINDOW ONCE YOU FOUND OUT ABOUT THE BROKEN WINDOW? UH, TWO DAYS.
ONE DAY, UH, LIKE, UH, WE HAVE TO CALL THE, UH, THE, UM, UH, THE WINDOW GUY.
HE HAS TO TAKE, UH, THE, UH, SIZE OF THE WINDOW AND HE COME NEXT DAY, UH, WITH THE WINDOW AND FIX IT.
BUT, UH, DURING THAT TIME, WE PUT THE, WE, UH, PUT THE PLYWOOD ON THAT WINDOW TO CPO, THAT APARTMENT.
UH, DOES THE PROPERTY OWNER SCREEN THE TENANTS OF, UH, OF THE PROPERTY? YES.
HOW DOES THE PROPERTY OWNER SCREEN THE TENANTS? SO WE, UH, WE ARE USING, UH, UH, SOFTWARE AND, UH, SOFTWARE HAS TO APPROVE THE SCREENING BEFORE WE, UH, MOVE IN ANYWHERE.
DOES THE, THE SCREENING INCLUDE A CRIMINAL HISTORY CHECK ON THE, UH, PROSPECTIVE TENANT? YEAH.
DOES THE SCREENING INCLUDE A CREDIT CHECK OF THE PROSPECTIVE TENANT? YES.
DOES THE PROPERTY HAVE RULES, UH, OF BEHAVIOR? YES.
UH, HOW MANY PAGES IS THAT LIST OF RULES OF BEHAVIOR? THE HOUSE RULES.
HOUSE RULES, UM, IS AROUND, UH, 20 OR 25 PAGES.
AND WHEN A TENANT BREAKS A HOUSE RULE OR COMMITS A CRIME, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE TENANT? SO WE HAVE THE, UH, NO TOLERANCE POLICY.
IF SOMEBODY INVOLVED IN CRIME, WE HAVE TO GIVE HIM THE, UH, NOTICE TO
AND APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY TENANTS HAS THE PROPERTY OWNER EVICTED IN THE LAST THREE YEARS? DUE TO A, UH, COMMISSION OF A CRIME OR A BREAKING OF A HOUSE RULE? YES.
UH, I BELIEVE IS, UH, 19 TENANTS.
DOES THE PROPERTY OWNER ENGAGE IN VERIFICATION OF TENANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TENANTS IN AN APARTMENT OR THE, THE TENANTS ON THE LEASE? YES.
UH, DOES, DOES THE, WHY DOES THE OWNER ENFORCE THESE, UM, UH, HOUSE RULES? BECAUSE HOUSE RULE IS, UH, UH, IS A DETAILED HOUSE RULE IS, UH, COVERS, UH, UH, MANY, LIKE, UH, UH, UH, OR MAINLY IS, UH, THE, UH, AVOID THE, UH, CRIMINALS, UH, AND, UH, THE, UH, NOT HAPPENING ANY CRIME ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, DOES THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY COMMUNICATE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY TO THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT? YES.
HOW DO YOU DO THAT? YEAH, WE CALL, UH, THAT, UH, UH, WHEN THE LOCAL POLICE COME AND THEY WANT ANY, UH, VIDEO, ANYTHING, WE HAVE, UH, WE, WE ALL FULL SUPPORT, UH, WITH THE DPD.
AND, UH, AND WE PROVIDE, UH, UH, THE, UH, THE, UH, VIDEOS TO THEM AND THEY HAVE, UH, AND, UH, CAR LICENSE PLATE TO THEM, OR IF FOR, UH, ANY CRIME IF, UH, UH, HAPPENING WE HAVE FROM OFFICE, WE HAVE TO CALL 9 1 1 TO REPORT IT.
DOES THE PROPERTY OWNER ENCOURAGE TENANTS TO CALL POLICE WHEN THERE IS A CRIME? YES.
AND, UH, ARE THERE ANY INSTANCES WHERE THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE LAST THREE YEARS HAS MADE A REQUEST TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE PROPERTY OWNER REFUSED TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUEST? NO.
IS COOPERATING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IMPORTANT? YES.
IS THE PROPERTY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE MINIMUM PROPERTY STANDARDS IN CHAPTER 27 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE? YES.
AND ARE THERE WAYS THAT THE PROPERTY EXCEEDS CITY STANDARDS WITH RESPECT TO REDUCING CRIME? YES, I BELIEVE.
DOES, UH, THE CITY REQUIRE A CURFEW FOR THE PROPERTY CITY? NO.
BUT THE PROPERTY HAS A CURFEW? YES.
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AND THE CURFEW IS, UH, IS, UH, STARTING FROM, UH, 10:00 PM.AND WHY DO YOU HAVE A CURFEW ON THE PROPERTY? UH, THAT'S, UH, UH, TO AVOID, UH, ANY, UH, INTERIORS OR, UH, ANY, UH, LIKE HANGOUT, UH, IN THE BREEZEWAY OR IN THE OUTSIDE, OR THAT'S, UH, INCREASED THE, UH, UH, CRIME.
DOES THE PROPERTY PREVENT BACKPACKS EXCEPT FOR SCHOOL CHILDREN? YES.
AND WHY DOES THE PROPERTY DO THAT? BECAUSE WE, UH, NOTICE THAT, UH, UH, UH, LOT, UH, THAT, UH, AFTER, UH, UH, NIGHTTIME OR, UH, THEIR TIME, A LOT OF, UH, TEENAGERS COME WITH A BACKPACK AND THEY, UH, UH, THEY HAVE, UH, THEY HAVE, UH, THE FIREARMS OR DRUGS OR, UH, THESE THINGS IN THE BACKPACKS AND OR HOODIES.
AND SO WE AVOID ALL THIS TO, UH, UH, ENTER THIS.
SO WE POSTED THE SIGN THAT NO, UH, BACKPACKS ARE ALONE.
AND, UH, THE CITY DOES NOT REQUIRE NO BACKPACK SIGNS TO BE INSTALLED ON THE PROPERTY, CORRECT? NO.
UH, HAS THE PROPERTY OFFERED THE PROPERTY OWNER OFFERED THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT A AN APARTMENT UNIT ON THE PROPERTY? YES.
WHY? UH, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S, UH, UH, THE, UH, BENEFITS FOR THE APARTMENT, IS THAT, UH, UH, MORE, UH, PRESENT OF THE, UH, LOCAL POLICE.
DOES THE PROPERTY OWNER REGULARLY MONITOR THE LIGHTING ON THE PROPERTY? YES, WE DO.
UH, THE, UH, EVERY, UH, THE, UH, THE SECURITY HAS, UH, DO, DO IT LIGHT CHECKS ON EVERY, UH,
AND HOW LONG HAS THE PROPERTY OWNER HAD A SECURITY SERVICE? UH, AT THE PROPERTY, ABOUT 10 MINUTES.
SINCE I'M HERE, I'M LOOKING AT, UH, THE SECURITY.
UH, TELL ME MORE ABOUT, UH, THE SECURITY SERVICE THAT YOU HAVE, UH, PATROLLING THE PROPERTY.
UH, CURRENTLY WE HAVE A TWO OFFICER, UH, IN THE EVENING TIMES, BUT, UH, THEY, UH, THEY HAVE, UH, EMERGENCY PHONE NUMBER, AND THEY ARE, UH, DISPATCHING, UH, ANY INCIDENT.
AND THEIR, UH, UH, THE, UM, UH, 24 7.
SO THEY, THEY HAVE, UH, UH, EVERY, UH, THE RESIDENT KNOW THE EMERGENCY NUMBER, IF THE SECURITY, IF OFF TIME OF, UH, SECURITY.
AND HOW LONG, UH, HAS THE PROPERTY OWNER HAD A SECURITY SERVICE HELP MONITOR THE PROPERTY? UH, THE CURRENT SECURITY AROUND, UH, SEVEN YEARS BEFORE WE HAVE A DIFFERENT, I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE ASKED THIS QUESTION AT THE START, BUT HAVE YOU EVER TESTIFIED AT ANY COURT OR, UH, BOARD, UH, UH, HEARING BEFORE? NO.
THIS, THIS FIRST TIME? SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS? YES.
UM, DOES THE PROPERTY OWNER USE A PARTICULAR LEASE, UH, OR TENANTS? YEAH, IT IS A LOW INCOME PROPERTY.
WE USE A MODEL LEASE MODEL LEASE.
YOU, YOU, THE PROPERTY USES THE HUD UH, MODEL LEASE? YES.
AND DOES THE HUD MODEL LEASE HAVE PROVISIONS, UH, TELLING TENANTS THAT THEY, UH, WILL BE EVICTED IF THEY COMMIT CRIMES? YES.
AND DOES THE PROPERTY OWNER HOST CRIME WATCH MEETINGS? YES, EVERY LAST THURSDAY OF THE MONTH.
AND HOW, UH, HOW LONG HAS THE PROPERTY OWNER HAD PRIME WATCH MEETINGS ON THE PROPERTY? MORE THAN FIVE YEARS.
AND DOES THE PROPERTY OWNER ENCOURAGE RESIDENTS TO ATTEND THE PRIME WATCH MEETINGS? YES.
WE SEND NOTICES FOR EVERY RESIDENCE, AND I, I PASS THE WITNESS.
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NO BACKPACK SIGNS.WHAT PROMPTED THAT MEASURE TO BE, UH, IMPLEMENTED? SORRY, THE NO BACKPACK SIGNS THAT ARE, UM, ON THE PROPERTY.
WHY WAS THAT MEASURE IMPLEMENTED? FOR THE, UH, SAFETY.
BUT SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITING, UH, INDIVIDUALS CARRYING BACKPACKS ON THE PROPERTY? UH, THAT'S THE MEASURE I HADN'T SEEN BEFORE.
UM, WHY DID YOU ALL, UH, IMPLEMENT THAT MEASURE? SO THIS IS FOR THE, UH, SAFETY PER PURPOSE, AND WE ALREADY HAVE THE MEETING WITH THE SECURITY TO WHAT WE, THEY HAVE TO LOOK BACK, BUT THE BACKPACKS IS NOT PREVENTING, UH, THAT, UH, UH, FOR THOSE FOOD STATES AND, UH, LIKE THIS, THEY ONLY ING AFTER, UH, UH, OUR IT'S SAFETY PART.
SO, UH, DID YOU ALL DETERMINE THAT THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH INDIVIDUALS COMING ONTO THE PROPERTY, UH, CARRYING BACKPACKS? SORRY? DID YOU ALL DETERMINE THAT THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE COMING ONTO THE PROPERTY THAT HAD BACKPACKS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN UP TO NO GOOD? THAT, THAT, THAT WAS A, A SECURITY COMPANY THAT'S, UH, UH, UH, SO THE SECURITY COMPANY MADE THE RECOMMENDATION, IS THAT RIGHT? YES.
WHEN WAS THAT RECOMMENDATION MADE? THAT, UH, UH, AROUND, UH, SIX MONTH NOW.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION FROM YOUR SECURITY TO ADD, UH, THAT NO BACKPACKS, UM, SIGNS WOULD BE A GOOD MEASURE THAT WAS RECOMMENDED SIX MONTHS AGO, APPROXIMATELY, IS THAT RIGHT? YES.
AND WHEN WAS THAT? NO BACKPACK SIGN.
WHEN WERE THOSE INSTALLED, ROUGHLY? APPROXIMATELY?
WAS IT INSTALLED SIX MONTHS AGO, FIVE MONTHS AGO, LAST MONTH? NO, IT'S LIKE, UH,
UM, SO WAS IT, IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT THE, THAT MEASURE WAS TAKEN AFTER RECEIVING THE NOTE? UH, THE CITY'S NOTICE OF HCP LETTER.
UM, WERE THERE OTHER SIGNS ADDED? UH, AT THAT SAME TIME? WHAT OTHER SIGNS WERE THERE? REPLACEMENT OF FADED SIGNS ALSO ADDED, UH, THE LOCK TAKE, LOCK AND HIDE SIGNS? NO, THAT WAS, UH, THE SIGNS WERE BEFORE, BUT THAT WAS, UH,
SO WE HAVE, UH, PUT THE NEW SIGN, WHICH, UH, UH, UH, NOT
YOU ALL HAD PREEXISTING SIGNS ON THE PROPERTY FOR CERTAIN SECURITY MEASURES.
THERE'S SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS, LOT TAKEN HIDE.
YOU'RE SAYING THOSE ALREADY EXISTED? YES.
IT'S NOT ALL FADED IS SOME, RIGHT.
AND YOU ALL REPLACED THOSE FADED ONES, CORRECT? YES.
AND THOSE FADED ONES WERE REPLACED AFTER, UH, RECEIVING THE CITY'S NOTICE OF A CP LETTER, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
UM, WAS THIS A HUGE COST TO THE PROPERTY? UM, REPLACING THOSE SIGNS, ADDING THE NEW SIGNS, DID THAT COST $10,000 OR MORE? REPLACING THE SIGN? YES.
REPLACING THE SIGNS, ADDING THE NO BACKPACK SIGNS, WAS THAT A HUGE COST TO THE PROPERTY? DID THAT COST EXCEED $10,000 A MONTH? UH, THE GRAFFITI, WHEN THE CITY, UM, INSPECTED THE PROPERTY IN MAY, UM, YOUR STAFF ACCOMPANIED US AND THEY, UM, PAINTED OVER THE GRAFFITI AS THE CITY POINTED IT OUT.
IS THERE ANY REASON WHY, UM, THE REMOVAL OF THE GRAFFITI DIDN'T HAPPEN PRIOR TO THAT INSPECTION? THE REASON IS THAT, UH, WE, UH, THEY DIDN'T WANNA SPEND THE MONEY.
WE WERE INSPECTING THE PROPERTY, AND WE ARE, UM, MORE, UH, MY MAINTENANCE MORE INVOLVED IN FIXING THE, UH, UNITS.
AND THEY ARE, UH, BY, UH, THEY ARE GOING BY THE APARTMENTS TO APARTMENTS TO, UH, LOOK AROUND THE, UH, THE AREA, THE INSPECTIONS.
SO PRIOR TO THE CITY'S INSPECTION, DID YOUR TEAM DO THOSE TYPE OF INSPECTIONS? LOOKING FOR GRAFFITI, LOOKING FOR OPEN AND VACANT UNIT? YES.
SO DURING THE CITY'S INSPECTION WHEN, UH, THERE WERE SEVERAL AREAS THAT HAD GRAFFITI AND YOUR TEAM PAINTED OVER IT IMMEDIATELY, WHICH WAS GREAT,
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WAS THERE ANY REASON WHY THAT IN DIDN'T OCCUR PRIOR TO THAT CITY INSPECTION? SO, YES, I'M SAYING THAT THEY ARE GOING ONE BY ONE, SO, SO, UH, AND THEN BETWEEN, UH, UH, THE CITY INSPECTION IN, UH, THIRD.IS THERE A, UH, REDIRECT? YEAH.
SO, UH, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
DID YOU ATTEND, DID YOU ATTEND THE COURT MEETING WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT? YES.
AND AT THE ACCORD MEETING, DID YOU GIVE THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT EVIDENCE OF ALL OF THE STEPS THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS TAKEN, PREVENT AND REDUCE CRIME? YES.
AND DID YOU PROVIDE EVIDENCE ON ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF PREVENTING CRIME THAT ARE IN THE CITY CODE? YES.
AND AFTER THE ACCORD MEETING OR AT THE ACCORD MEETING, DID THE POLICE DEPARTMENT INVITE YOU TO GIVE THEM MORE EVIDENCE? YES, THERE ARE.
AND DID YOU PROVIDE MORE EVIDENCE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SOON AFTER THE ACCORD MEETING OF THE STEPS TAKEN TO PREVENT AND REDUCE CRIME? YES.
UM, QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS? UM, UH, I LOSE MY, UH, ALPHABETICAL I TO DO IT THE OLD FASHIONED WAY.
UM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT RAJIV ALI HAS HAD A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY SINCE 2003 FOR THIS PROPERTY? YES.
BUT YOU'VE ONLY WORKED THERE FOR 10 YEARS, IS THAT ACCURATE? YES.
YOU DIDN'T WORK THERE BEFORE THEN? NO.
AND IN REGARD TO THE GATES, WE'VE TALKED, I'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT IN REGARD TO GATES AND PEDESTRIAN GATES AND THE DOORS.
DO YOU KNOW WHO'S SUPPOSED TO REMOVE, WERE YOU EVER TOLD, OR WERE YOU AWARE TO REMOVE CEMENT BLOCKS OR ANY KIND OF SOMETHING HEAVY THAT WOULD HOLD THOSE GATES OPEN? WERE YOU EVER TOLD THAT? NO, I AM AWARE OF THAT.
DO, IS THERE A REASON WHY THEY WERE NOT REMOVED THESE HEAVY BLOCKS OR CONCRETE BLOCKS? NO, WE REMOVE, UH, DEAD BLOCKS, BUT, UH, THE RESIDENTS, THEY ARE PUTTING BACK AGAIN.
SO WE, WE HAVE TO, UH, REMOVE IT.
AND WE HAVE CIRCULATED, UH, UH, THE, UH, UH, THE CO UH, CODE FOR THE GATE.
DON'T PUT THE, UH, CONCRETE ON THAT.
DO YOU WALK THE PROPERTY EVERY DAY? YES.
AND THEN DO YOU REMOVE THE BLOCKS OR DOES SOMEONE ELSE REMOVE THOSE BLOCKS WHEN YOU SEE THE, UH, I WALK WITH MY MAINTENANCE TEAM, SO THEY REMOVE THE BLOCKS.
AND WHERE DO Y'ALL REMOVE THOSE BLOCKS TO? WE WERE REMOVE AND, UH, THROW THE BLOCKS, UH, UH, ON THE, UH, OUTSIDE, ON THE OUT.
SO JUST SOMEWHERE CLOSE TO THE GATE, BUT JUST OUTSIDE? NO, NO.
CLOSE TO THE GATE, BUT FAR AWAY.
IN REGARD TO YOUR CRIME WATCH MEETINGS, DO YOU ATTEND THOSE ON EVERY THURSDAY, AT THE LAST THURSDAY OF THE MONTH? YES, IT'S HAPPENED, UH, IN MY PROPERTY, IN MY OFFICE.
DO YOU LIVE ON THE PROPERTY? NO.
WHEN DID THE NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH MEETINGS OCCUR? WHEN, WHAT TIME? UH, THAT, UH, ON THURSDAY.
DID THEY OCCUR AT NIGHT? IN THE MORNING? IN THE EVENING? NO.
ONE TO 2:00 PM ONE TO 2:00 PM WHEN MOST PEOPLE ARE WORKING? NO, UH, IT IS.
MOST PEOPLE COMES AROUND THAT TIME.
HOW MANY PEOPLE ATTEND? HOW MANY PEOPLE ATTEND IT? LAST THURSDAY.
LAST THURSDAY? YEAH, THAT WAS THE LAST THURSDAY OF THE MONTH.
HOW MANY PEOPLE ATTENDED? IT IS AROUND 10.
WE DON'T GET, UH, WE DON'T GET THAT, UH, ATTENDANCE, THAT AS MANY.
AND SO IN REGARD TO LAST THURSDAY, YOU THINK THERE WAS ABOUT 10, SO THAT INCLUDED YOU.
WHO ELSE ATTENDS FROM THE PROPERTY? 10 RESIDENTS AND INCLUDING ME, THE SECURITY O UH, NOT INCLUDING ME, IS RESIDENCE 10.
AND THEN ME, MY, UH, ASSISTANT MANAGER, UH, THE, UH, TWO, UH, TWO POLICE OFFICERS AND, UH, ONE, UH, SECURITY OFFICER.
AND DO YOU TURN, DO YOU, UH, TAKE ANY KIND OF, UM, UM, ATTENDANCE? YES, AND, UH, WE, WE, AND, UH, DP UH, ALSO SIGNED THE CERTIFICATES, UH, WHICH COPY I HAVE ALREADY PROVIDED.
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YES.UH, DOING, UM, ON THE 24 HOUR, UH, MONITORING SECURITY, DO THEY ACTUALLY WORK THAT PROPERTY AND ARE THEY ON SITE 24 HOURS? MM-HMM.
THEY TOLD YOU? SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THE 24 HOUR, UH, MONITORING OF THE PROPERTY, IS THE SECURITY ON SITE, ON THE PROPERTY SECURITY IS, UH, THE, UH, IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SECURITY OFFICER, YES, THEY ARE ON, ON SITE, BUT IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE MONITORING TEAM, THEY ARE NOT, IS THE SECURITY ON SITE 24 HOURS? WHAT'S THE HOURS OF SECURITY THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY? SECURITY, UH, IS, UH, SECURITY COMES, UH, IN THE EVENING, NOT 24 7.
SO THERE'S NO SECURITY DURING THE DAYTIME? YES.
SO DO YOU MONITOR YOU AND YOUR MAINTENANCE MONITOR YOUR PROPERTY DURING THE DAY SINCE SECURITY ONLY COME IN THE EVENING? IN, IN THE DAYTIME, UH, WE DIDN'T NOTICE THAT.
IN, IN THE DAYTIME, THERE IS, UH, UH, NO CRIME.
SO THE OFFICE IS OPEN AND MAINTENANCE TEAMS IS WALKING, AND WE DIDN'T, UH, NOTICE ANY, UH, THAT, UH, UH, CRIMES, UH, DURING THE DAYTIME.
SO WE PUT THE, UH, UH, SECURITY IN THE EVENING TO, TO SECURITY OFFICE.
SO THE NUMEROUS, UM, INCIDENTS THAT'S REPORTED, THEY ALL HAPPEN IN THE EVENING AND NOT IN THE DAYTIME? YEAH, I, I DON'T THINK SO.
AND THE, UH, MR. OR SORRY, OFFICER RONNIE IS RECEIVING HELP FROM HIS, UH, OWNER WITH HIS WITNESS, UH, WITH HIS TESTIMONY.
UH, YOU MORE THAN WELCOME TO SAY, I, I DON'T KNOW.
AND, AND, UH, UH, TELL HIM THAT.
CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT, WHAT'S THE HOURS THAT ARE OPEN AND CLOSED? OH, SORRY.
WHAT ARE THE GATE HOURS THAT'S OPEN AND CLOSED? THE, UH, GATE IS, UH, UH, CLOSING AT 6:00 PM AND OPENING AT, UH, 6:00 AM AND I WANNA ASK ANOTHER QUESTION THAT, UH, REFERRING BACK TO, UH, VICE CHAIR.
SO, UH, THE MEETINGS THAT YOU SAID THAT HELD IN THE DAYTIME BETWEEN ONE AND TWO, HAVE YOU TAKEN AN OPTION OR THOUGHT ABOUT CHANGING THOSE MEETINGS TO, IN THE EVENINGS TO ALLOW SOME OF THE WORK ATTENDANCE TO ATTEND AND BE ABLE TO SPEAK, UH, HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THE CRIMES IN THE AREA? YEAH, WE, WE CAN ASK THE DPD IF IT IS, UH, AVAILABLE SO WE CAN, UH, LIKE MOVE THE TIME.
UM, AND THEN, UM, I'M ALMOST OUTTA TIME.
I, IF YOU'RE READING ME, I HEARD YOU SAY THANK YOU AND YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE FINISHED.
NO, I JUST, I HAD 26 SECONDS THAT ALLOW HIM ENOUGH TIME.
I JUST WAIT TILL THE NEXT TIME USE IT.
WHAT'S THE CURFEW? UH, IT STARTED AT 10:00 PM OR AT WHAT TIME? THE, UH, 10:00 PM UH, UH, TILL, UH, MORNING AROUND, UH, FIVE.
UH, SO THAT GETS US TO MR. JEFFS.
I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
SO, YOUR ATTORNEY MADE A PRETTY BOLD STATEMENT THAT SOME OF THESE CRIMES MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ON YOUR PROPERTY.
WELL, CAN YOU SHOW US EVIDENCE THAT THEY WEREN'T SO SORRY.
I, I DIDN'T GET YOUR, SO YOUR, YOUR ATTORNEY IN HIS OPENING STATED THAT, WELL, MANY OF THESE, UM, UH, UH, OFFENSES COULD, COULD HAVE BEEN DONE OFF PROPERTY ON THE SIDEWALK OR BEHIND THE PROPERTY BY THE CREEK, YET HE OFFERED NO EVIDENCE.
SO CAN YOU OFFER US SOME EVIDENCE TO, TO BOLSTER HIS ARGUMENT? YES.
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ENLIGHTEN US WITH EVIDENCE LIKE, UH, UH, SOME OF THE FIRE ALARMS, UH, WERE, UH, USED, UH, LIKE, UH, OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY AND THERE, UH, UH, TIME OUT.I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO SAY THEY COULD HAVE HAPPENED OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY.
DO YOU HAVE DEFINITIVE EVIDENCE THAT THEY DID HAPPEN OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY? YES OR NO? NO.
SO IN ESSENCE, HIS ARGUMENT THAT THEY COULD HAVE HAPPENED, YOU KIND OF GOTTA TOSS THAT ONE OUT.
SO Y'ALL, YOU ALSO SAID THAT Y'ALL HAVE SECURITY AND MONITORING, UH, OF CAMERAS.
IF YOUR SECURITY AND YOUR CAMERAS ARE, ARE REALLY GOOD, WHY IS CRIME INCREASING YEAR BY YEAR ON YOUR PARTICULAR PROPERTY? THAT IS A, UH, THAT, UH, UH, WE ARE FULLY, UH, COOPERATING WITH THE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE ARE PROVIDING ALL THE, UH, VIDEOS IS, UH, THE PLEASANT GROVE IS OLD AREA, IS A HIGH CRIME, UH, AREA.
I'M GONNA INTERRUPT YOU AGAIN.
IT'S NOT ABOUT PLEASANT GROVE, IT'S ABOUT YOUR SINGULAR PROPERTY.
WHY IS YOUR PROPERTY PRIME GROWING IF YOU'VE GOT REALLY GOOD SECURITY AND GREAT CAMERAS? YEAH, WE, WE, WE HAVE, UH, WE ARE TAKING CARE OF, UH, EVERYTHING.
WE ARE DOING OUR BEST TO, UH, STOP THAT.
AND WE ARE LIKE, UH, IF, UH, UH, LIKE WE ARE FULLY COOPERATING WITH THE POLICE.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHY IS YOUR PROPERTY ONE, THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR HAS FOUR CRIMES, AND THE ONE NEXT DOOR HAS, UH, ONE CRIME, YET YOU HAVE A LITANY OF THEM.
WHY IS YOUR PROPERTY SO DANGEROUS? NO, IT IS NOT THE PROPERTY.
IT IS NOT, I, I KNOW THE, ALL THE RESIDENCE IT IS, THEY ARE NOT INVOLVED WITH ANY CRIME.
IS CRIME HAPPENING OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY? I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH MY NEXT ROUND.
YEAH, WE'LL GET YOU IN THE NEXT ROUND.
UM, MR. SAXON, UH, THANK YOU MS. THERE AS RON.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, ASK SOME JUST DETAILED QUESTIONS, UH, REGARDING THE CAMERAS, WHICH ON PAGE 23, I BELIEVE WE CAN SEE THAT THERE IS A CONTRACT THERE THAT'S STATED FROM 2022 UNTIL PRESENT, 28 CAMERAS WERE MONITORED.
UM, FROM EARLIER WITNESS TESTIMONY, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAD ANY CALLS REPORTED FROM THAT COMPANY FOR ANY OF THE CRIMES COMMITTED.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY REPORTS ON WHAT THAT COMPANY IS PROVIDING IN TERMS OF, HEY, WE NOTICED THIS, THIS IS THE STEP WE'RE TAKING? YES.
AND NONE OF THOSE WERE RELATED TO ANY OF THE 17 CRIMES THAT THE CITY HAS PROVIDED? NO.
UM, THE SECOND QUESTION IS RELATING TO FLOCK, UH, CAMERA.
IT'S STATED THAT IN 2023, APRIL OF 2023, THAT THE CONTRACT FOR 24 MONTHS WAS SIGNED.
UH, IS THAT STILL ACTIVE? YES.
UH, THE TOWING THAT WAS LISTED IN EVIDENCE, UM, IT WAS 2021.
IS THERE ANY MORE RECENT CONTRACTS THAT STATE THAT'S STILL IN, IN PLAY THAT YOU GUYS HAVE? BECAUSE IT DIDN'T MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT RENEWAL.
SO IS IT THE SAME TOWING COMPANY? YEAH, THE SAME.
YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME, SAME, SAME TOWING COMPANY.
DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE OR DO YOU HAVE DOCUMENTATION THAT STATES THAT'S STILL ACTIVE? YEAH.
UH, THE BUSH TRIMMING ALSO, IT SAID 2024 WAS THE LAST ONE.
YOU SAID THAT IT'S OFTEN TRIMMED.
UM, DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE THAT IT WAS TRIMMED MORE RECENT THAN THAT? OR LIKE A, UM, AND FORGIVE ME, YOU HAD SAID YOU WERE A ACCOUNTANT.
IS THAT RIGHT? BY TRADE? BEFORE THE MANAGEMENT? I'M JUST, I'M THE CHARTERED ACCOUNTANT.
'CAUSE I'M, AS AN ACCOUNTANT, I IMAGINE YOU WOULD HAVE RECEIPTS FOR EVERYTHING, BUT THESE ARE A LITTLE OUTDATED.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING, DO YOU HAVE BUSH TRIMMING RECEIPTS? YEAH, I CAN.
MORE RECENT THAN 2024? YEAH, I CAN DO IT.
UH, AND THEN FOR SECURITY, IT'S STATED, UH, AUGUST, 2026, WHICH WAS JUST A MONTH OR TWO AGO.
I'M WONDERING, ARE THERE ALSO, THAT'S A NEW ONE OR ARE THERE, DO YOU GUYS HAVE CONTRACTS WITH PREVIOUS SECURITY COMPANIES THAT YOU'VE HAD? YOU SAID, I THINK SEVEN OR 10 YEARS YOU'VE HAD A SECURITY COMPANY.
DO YOU HAVE THE EVIDENCE THAT CAN POINT TO THAT? I CAN, YEAH.
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GOOD MORNING.UM, WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT, UM, MR. QUENT ASKED YOU AND YOU SAID THAT, UH, IT'S NOT THE RESIDENTS COMMITTING CRIMES.
UM, SO WITH THE CURRENT CODE SYSTEM FOR THE DOORS AND GATES, HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT, UM, WHO IS ACTUALLY ON YOUR PROPERTY AT ANY GIVEN TIME? BECAUSE CODE WE PROVIDE TO, UH, THE, UH, THE CODES WE PROVIDE TO THE, UH, RESIDENTS TO ENTER THE PROPERTY.
AND WHAT'S TO PREVENT THEM FROM SHARING THAT CODE WITH THEIR FRIENDS? IT IS FOR THEIR SAFETY.
BUT I'M STILL PROBABLY GONNA GIVE IT TO MY, MY BOYFRIEND THAT COMES EVERY OTHER DAY.
SO THEN THAT LEADS TO MY NEXT QUESTION.
HOW OFTEN ARE YOU DOING RESIDENT VERIFICATION CHECKS? UH, UH, OR TENANT VERIFICATION CHECKS? SORRY, WHAT, UH, THAT, UH, UH, UH, VERIFICATION MEANS, BUT HOW DO YOU VERIFY THAT THE PEOPLE LIVING IN A, A UNIT ARE THE ONES LISTED AS THE TENANTS AND HOW OFTEN? YEAH, WE DO THE, UH, INSPECTIONS AND THEY, UH, UH, LIKE, UH, THEY HAVE THE, UH, RENEWAL PROCESS.
AND THEN, UH, UH, IN THE, UH, QUARTERLY WE DO THE INSPECTIONS.
WHEN THE INSPECTION, IF WE FIND AN, UH, ANY UNAUTHORIZED, UH, OCCUPANT, WE GIVE A NOTICE TO REMOVE THEM, UH, FROM THE APARTMENT IN 24 HOURS.
SO AS FREQUENT AS EVERY THREE MONTHS, YOU'RE CHECKING EACH UNIT? NO, IT IS MANY BUILDINGS.
SO LIKE, WE HAVE, WE CHECK REGULARLY EVERY MONTH, LIKE EVERY MONTH, ONE, TWO BUILDING, ONE THROUGH BUILDING.
AND THEN DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, DO THE TENANTS REGISTER THEIR LICENSE PLATES OF THEIR VEHICLES? YES.
AND THEN IS IT THE TOWING COMPANIES SAFE, MONITORED, VERIFY THAT, UM, NO UNAUTHORIZED VEHICLES ARE ON THE PROPERTY? YES.
AND I APOLOGIZE IF IT'S IN THE EXHIBIT, BUT HOW OFTEN DOES THE TOWING COMPANY COME ONTO YOUR PROPERTY TO CHECK THE LICENSE PLATES? UH, THE TOWING COMPANY, THEY COMES EVERY DAY, LIKE IN THE, DURING THE DAY OR NIGHT, LIKE 24 7, THEY COME AND THEY, IF THE CAR IS NOT REGISTERED, THEY HAVE TO, UH, TOW THE CAR.
AND, UH, VISITORS HAVE, UH, UH, LIKE, UH, UH, SEVEN DAYS IN A MONTH TO REGISTER AFTER SEVEN MONTH, UH, SEVEN DAYS, SEVEN DAYS A MONTH TO REGISTER.
IF SEVEN DAYS PASSED, THEY CAN'T REGISTER THE CAR.
AND THEN DO YOU HAVE A VACANT VEHICLE POLICY WHERE IF A VEHICLE IS PARKED IN THE SAME SPOT FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, IT'S TOWED? YES.
AND WHAT'S THAT TIMEFRAME? THE, UH, WE PUT THE, UH, THE STICKER FOR 24 HOURS TO REMOVE THE CAR.
UM, MS. SMITH, THANK YOU CHAIR.
IS THERE A SCREENING PROCESS FOR THE, UM, TENANTS PRIOR TO, UM, SIGNING A LEASE? THE SCREENING PROCESS? IS THERE A YES.
SCREENING PROCESS? SO LIKE IF SOMEONE HAS A CRIMINAL RECORD OF A CERTAIN CALIBER OR, UH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
BASICALLY THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
SO YOU DO LIKE, WHAT DO THEY CALL IT? LIKE, UM, BACKGROUND CHECKS PRIOR TO, YES.
UH, I HAVE THREE THINGS I WANNA TRY TO GET TO OVER.
UM, DO YOU DISPUTE THE 21 OFFENSES LISTED BETWEEN MAY OF 23 AND MARCH OF 25? YES.
UH, ON WHAT BASIS? THE BASIS LIKE, UH, UH, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED, UH, UH, ANY DOCUMENTATION THAT THAT'S CRIME HAPPENED ON, UH, ON OUR PROPERTY.
DID YOU MAKE AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST FOR, FOR THOSE RECORDS? ATTORNEY? I THINK, SORRY.
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DID YOU HEAR BACK WHEN, WHEN DID YOU REQUEST IT? UH, YES.YEAH, WE HAVE NOT, BUT, UH, ATTORNEY.
TELL ME WHO, WHO I SHOULD ASK.
IS IT OKAY IF I ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS YOUR CALL? UH, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THEM ANSWER QUESTIONS.
DID, DID YOU MAKE AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST ABOUT THOSE DOCUMENTS? UH, ATTORNEY? NOT VALID.
SO DID YOU RECEIVE AN ANSWER? I DID NOT MAKE ANY REQUEST.
NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY DID HAVE AN ATTORNEY WHO FILED THE APPEAL BEFORE I WAS RETAINED, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ATTORNEY DID.
SO, IS IS THERE EVIDENCE OF, OF THE REQUEST, UH, OPEN RECORDS REQUEST BECAUSE THE POLICE OFFICER AND THEY ARE THERE WHEN
I, I, I DON'T HAVE THE DOCUMENTS FOR THOSE AND, AND YOU KNOW, IF SAYING I DON'T HAVE THEM, THEN MY QUESTION IS MAKE AN ATTEMPT TO GET THEM.
AND IF THE ANSWER IS YES, WHERE ARE I'M GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK ON IT.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO.
LET'S GO BACK THROUGH IT BY SHERFORD SHIELD, I GUESS NOW THAT WE'RE ASKING EVERYBODY QUESTIONS, SO LET ME
UM, HOW MANY UNITS DOES CREEKSIDE HAVE THAT ARE HABITABLE RENTABLE AVAILABLE TO RENT? RIGHT NOW? HOW MANY UNITS DO YOU HAVE ON THE PROPERTY? SECOND UNITS 100.
HOW MANY ARE, UH, WHERE, WHAT CAPACITY ARE YOU AT RIGHT NOW? WHAT'S YOUR RENT? ROLLS.
AND FOR THE PAST YEAR, HAVE YOU ALWAYS BEEN 90% OR WHAT DOES IT FLUCTUATE AT? FIVE.
HAS IT BEEN THAT WAY SINCE YOU OWNED IT IN 2003? UH, IN THE BEGINNING IT WAS NOT.
WHAT IS THE PROTOCOL TO REPORTING REPAIRS? SO, FOR INSTANCE, I WAS, WE WERE TOLD IN, IN YOUR TESTIMONY, UM, THAT, OR THE PROPERTY MANAGER'S TESTIMONY THAT THE BROKEN WINDOW WAS REPAIRED IN TWO DAYS.
HOWEVER, WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS WHEN DID THE WOMAN WHO WAS EVICTED MOVE OUT? AND THEN WHEN DID YOU KNOW THAT THE WINDOW WAS BROKEN? ONE DAY, TWO DAYS, ONE WEEK, THREE WEEKS? NO, THAT, UH, THE, UH, THE PROCEDURE IS, IS IS, UH, UH, SOMEBODY IS EVICTED.
SO, UH, THEN, UH, WE HAVE TO GO AND CHECK THE APARTMENT THAT WHAT IS THE CONDITION OF THE APARTMENT ON THAT TIME.
WE KNOW THAT THE, UH, UH, THE, UH, IS A BROKEN WINDOW ON AND TO, AND THEN IMMEDIATELY WE HAVE TO PUT THE PLYWOOD TO SECURE THAT APARTMENT.
AND THEN WE CALL THE, UH, GLASS GUY TO CHANGE THE, UH, GLASS THAT'S, UH, NORMAL.
SO HERE'S MY SPECIFIC QUESTION.
WELL, I I DO HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION.
ARE YOU TESTIFYING THAT THAT PICTURE WAS TAKEN THE SAME DAY THAT WOMAN WAS EVICTED? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YOU TOURED THAT APARTMENT THAT WAS VACANT ON THE SAME DAY SHE WAS EVICTED, AND THAT'S, IT JUST HAPPENED TO BE THAT THE DETECTIVE TOOK A PHOTO.
SO YOU CAN HAVE WHOEVER WANTS TO ANSWER THAT.
UH, THAT VIC, I WAS NOT THERE, BUT I ENSURE THAT EVERY DAY THE WORK ORDERS ARE ISSUED AND
AND IF YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE A RECORD OF EVERY WORK PRODUCT ISSUED IN THE PROPERTY, AND WE HAVE THE
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PROPERTY.UM, I WANNA, UM, I WANNA ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT THE BACKPACKS.
IF A PERSON THAT'S VISITING YOUR PROPERTY, SUCH AS, I MIGHT BE THERE VISITING A CLIENT AND I HAVE BACKPACK WITH MY LAPTOP AND TABLETS.
SO HOW WOULD THAT ISSUE BE HANDLED? REPEAT THE QUESTION.
AND CAN YOU SPEAK UP IN THE MIC PLEASE? SO WE CAN HEAR? SORRY, WE CAN BARELY HEAR YOU.
UM, YEAH, AND, UM, QUITE INSTANCE, IF I'M VISITING A CLIENT AT YOUR PROPERTY, I CARRY A BACKPACK WITH MY, UH, LAPTOP AND MY TABLET.
YOU HAVE A BACKPACK VAN, HOW WOULD THAT BE HANDLED? WE HAVE THE POLICY, BUT SOMEBODY CAN SHOW IT AND PROVE IT, THAT IT IS FOR LIMITED PURPOSE SO THEY CAN TAKE IT.
SO PEOPLE, PEOPLE SOMETIME BRING THE GROCERY OR SOMETHING.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE TYPICALLY DISALLOWED AND PUT THE SIGN ON THE PROPERTY IN ALL PLACES.
AND THEN ANOTHER QUESTION I WANNA, UH, BACK, BACK ON THE SECURITY THAT, UH, OF ALL THOSE OFFENSES HAPPENED WAY BACK IN 2023 UP TO NOW, HAS YOU CHANGED ANY OTHER KIND OF PROTOCOL REGARDING YOUR SECURITY ON YOUR PROPERTY TO, UM, WALK THE PROPERTY WITHIN, UH, OR MAYBE INCREASE, UH, THE NUMBER OF SECURITY THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ON THAT PROPERTY? I, I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THEY'RE NOT REALLY THERE 24 HOURS ON THE PROPERTY, BUT WHAT KIND OF PROTOCOLS WILL YOU BE TAKING? SO, PROTOCOL, WE HAD, UH, UH, NUMBER OF THINGS.
WE INCREASED THE NUMBER OF CAMERAS OVER THE PROPERTY.
WE TRAINED THE TREES, WE PUT MORE LIGHTING, MORE SIGN, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE SECURITY COMPANY SAID THAT WE NEED TWO, UH, SECURITY GUARD.
THEN ONE IS NOT SUFFICIENT AND IT'S EXPENSIVE.
BUT WE MADE A CONTRACT FOR TWO SECURITY OFFICERS, AND THEY ARE CONSTANTLY IN TOUCH WITH THE 24 HOUR MONITORING COMPANY AND THEIR TEXT ON A, ON A DAILY BASIS.
BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
NO QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR? OH, THANK YOU.
I DO HAVE A FEW FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS FOLLOWING UP ON MS. SHIN.
AND MY, MY MY QUESTION ABOUT YOUR CLAIMING THAT MOST ALL THESE CRIMES ARE OFF PROPERTY, YET YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE TO, TO BOLSTER YOUR CLAIM.
WHY ON EARTH WOULD THERE BE 95 PAGES OF CALLS FOR ASSISTANCE ON YOUR PROPERTY? ALRIGHT, SO I WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER THAT.
WHEN, WHEN YOU HAVE THIS QUESTION BEFORE THAT, WHAT EVIDENCES YOU HAVE AND, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE, THE, UH, SECURE, UH, THE GENTLEMAN, UH, UH, HE WAS THERE.
HE SHOWED THE PICTURE, THE GUY JUMPING OVER THE FENCE AND COMING FROM THE OUTSIDE.
SO WE HAD, BEFORE THAT WAS A BARB WIRE, AND THERE WAS, NOBODY WAS JUMPING AND COMING FROM THAT SIDE.
AND AS SOON AS WE REMOVED THE LAST TWO, THREE YEARS, AND THAT INFLUENCE, UH, I'M GONNA STOP YOU 'CAUSE YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT ANSWERING MY QUESTION AND I APPRECIATE IT.
SO AGAIN, IF YOUR PROPERTY WAS SO SAFE AND YOU'VE DONE EVERYTHING YOU CAN, WHY DID THE CITY DESIGNATE A HOTSPOT? SO WHEN THERE'S ONLY A FEW, AS YOU SAID, A HANDFUL.
OKAY, I, I CAN ASK, UH, REPLY TO YOUR OLD QUESTION.
WHAT EVIDENCE? SO WHAT STEPS WOULD NO, NO, NO.
I ASK A NO, NO, I, I ASK A DIFFERENT QUESTION.
PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE HOTSPOT.
MR. QUINN, ARE YOU ASKING HIM TO TESTIFY FOR THE CITY? WELL, NO.
MY QUESTION WAS, IF YOUR PROPERTY WAS SO SAFE, WHY DID THE CITY DESIGNATE A HOTSPOT? BECAUSE ALL THE CRIMES, MAJORITY OF THIS CRIME HAPPENED, UH, NOT INSIDE THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S OUR ATTORNEY PROVIDED THREE EVIDENCE, AND IF YOU ALLOW HIM, WE CAN PROVIDE MORE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, AT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I, MY TIME HAS RUN OUT ON ME.
I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, BUT I, I STILL WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN SOME EVIDENCE WHEN WE, WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT OUT.
AND I JUST WANNA THANK YOU GUYS AGAIN FOR TESTIFYING.
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IT SEEMS YOU'RE DEPENDENT ON THE EMPLOYEES THAT YOU HAVE DURING THE DAY, UM, TO KIND OF SUPPLEMENT FOR THE SECURITY SERVICE THAT YOU HAVE IN THE EVENING AND OVERNIGHT TILL 3:00 AM WHAT ARE THE OUT, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DO YOU HAVE DURING THE DAY? WHAT HOURS AND WHICH DAYS OF THE WEEKS DO YOU HAVE EMPLOYEES STAFFED DURING THE DAY? SO WE HAVE, UH, THREE STAFF IN THE LEASING OFFICE AND TWO TO THREE MAINTENANCE TEAM, DEPENDING ON THE CONTRACT.AND ONE OF THE STAFF, SHE LIVES ON SITE.
SHE'S THE, UH, UH, SHE, SHE IS, UH, SHE LIVES ON SITE AND OCCASIONALLY WHEN MEDIATE SOME MAINTENANCE ISSUES, SHE DOES CALL AND ON US, WE DO IT.
AND SO WHAT ARE THE HOURS AND DAYS OF THE WEEK THAT THEY ARE PRESENT ON THE PROPERTY? YES.
SO, UH, OFFICE HOURS, I, I THINK 8, 8 30 TO FIVE.
AND IT'S SATURDAYS THE OFFICE OPEN HALF A DAY AND SUNDAY WE CLOSE.
SO SUNDAY, DURING THE DAY, THERE IS NOBODY MONITORING THE SENDER BLOCKS AT THE DOORS, NOBODY MONITORING FOR BACKPACKS? NO.
WE, WE MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE A MONITORING CAMERAS AND THAT ARE 24 HOUR MONITORED.
SO IF THE ACTIVITY HAPPEN, THERE IS A PROTOCOL THAT THEY, UH, DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION, THEY CALL THE PROPERTY.
AND IF REQUIRED, THEY WILL CALL THE POLICE ALSO.
AND WE HAVE A RESIDENT, WE HAVE A LEASING STAFF.
SHE LIVES ON SITE, SO SHE GOES THERE ALSO IF THERE IS INCIDENT.
BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THOSE ARE HER DAYS OFF, AND I WOULD NOT EXPECT HER TO CONTINUALLY WORK BY MONITORING THE PROPERTY.
YEAH, SHE IS NOT, BUT SHE ONLY WHEN SHE GET INTO INFORMATION THAT THERE IS SOMETHING.
BUT WE HAVE A CAMERA MONITORING COMPANY THAT THEY PROVIDE, UH, EVERY TEXT, EVERY EVIDENCE BY TEXT MESSAGES AND PROTOCOL IS THERE.
OH, DID I? NO QUESTIONS SHARE.
OKAY, MS. THOMAS, NO QUESTIONS.
WHO IS NOMINE AND WHAT, WHAT DO THEY DO? THESE ARE THE COMPANY WHO CAN, UH, MONITOR OUR CAMERAS.
AND WHAT IS YOUR RELATIONSHIP TO THEM? IT IS A THIRD PARTY.
YOU HAVE THE SAME ADDRESS? IT'S NO, NO.
IS, SO I NOW GO TO SOC SECURITY, UM, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD TWO GUARDS DROPPED TO ONE IN ABOUT 2022.
AND WHEN DID YOU GO BACK TO TWO? SO DEPENDING ON THE INSTANCES THAT, UH, WHEN THE SECURITY COMPANY REQUESTS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO INCREASE THE, UH, UH, NOT ONE STAFF IS NOT SUFFICIENT.
AND WHEN, WHEN WAS THAT? I THINK IN AUGUST OF THIS YEAR.
UM, I'M JUST READING SOME MANDALAY PALMS. THERE'S A CONTINGENCY IN THIS CONTRACT WITH SOC THAT SAYS THEY HAVE TO BE HIRED BY MANDALAY PALMS IN ORDER TO DO THE, THIS RISK LEVEL.
SO, UH, WE INCREASE THE SECURITY.
THAT'S ANOTHER SISTER PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING YOU OWN AS WELL IN MAKING A CONTRACT? YES.
SO THEY SAID THAT IF YOU GIVE US THE CONTRACT FOR BOTH, I UNDERSTAND, THEN WE WILL HAVE ENOUGH OFFICERS TO PROVIDE GOOD SECURITY.
WELL, I'M GONNA ASK ONE, THE, THE PERSON WHO, WHO BEAT A RESIDENT BEYOND RECOGNITION DID, WAS THAT PERSON KICKED OUT? IT'S TOUGH.
I, I DIDN'T GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME TO ANSWER THAT.
I SO GIVE EVERYBODY EXTRA, SO THANK YOU.
UM, AT THIS POINT, THE EVIDENTIARY
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RECORD IS CLOSED.I'M SORRY, WHAT? NO, WE'RE GONNA DO CLOSING.
AND IT'S, IT IS, UH, TIME FOR THE CITY'S CLOSED.
MR. MR. CHAIR? YES, I DO MOVE FOR MORE TIME.
UH, 30 MINUTES IS SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH TO GET INTO ALL OF THESE SECURITY REPORTS.
IF I'D GONE THROUGH THEM ALL, I WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT ON ONE WITNESS, BECAUSE IN, IN ADDITION, I DO HAVE THE PROPERTY OWNER HERE, AND I'VE BEEN AS EFFICIENT AS I CAN WITH MY QUESTIONS, BUT 30 MINUTES HAS SIMPLY NOT BEEN ENOUGH.
SO I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST 10 MORE MINUTES.
YOU KNOW, I, I WISH WE HAD MORE TIME IN THESE HEARINGS TOO, BUT, UM, I, I, IF THERE'S 10 MORE MINUTES, THERE'S 10 MORE MINUTES ON THE OTHER SIDE.
YOU, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER SIDE IS, AND THEN I THINK I WOULD PUT IT TO THE, TO THE BOARD, BUT IF THE, THE OTHER SIDE FEEL LIKE THERE'D BE PREJUDICE YES, MR. CHAIR.
UM, WE DO FEEL THAT, UH, 10 MINUTES IS NOT NECESSARY AND IT WOULD BE PRESENT, UM, PREJUDICE TO OUR CASE, YOUR HONOR, WHY? THE REASONS THAT THE COUNSEL HAS STATED NOT HAVING, UM, THE OFFENSE, UM, RECORDS.
UM, HE PROVIDED, UH, DETECTIVE GOMEZ THREE OFFENSE REPORTS.
I'M NOT SURE, UM, WHEN THOSE WERE OBTAINED.
HOWEVER, ONCE AGAIN, UH, THE PROPERTY HAS HAD THE INFORMATION SINCE MAY 14TH TO OBTAIN THOSE RECORDS.
UM, MS. SANCHEZ DID, DID WE HAVE A RESET IN THIS CASE YET? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND WHO, UM, THAT WAS YOUR RESET? PARTIALLY BECAUSE THEY RETAINED IT.
HAVE WE HAD A SECOND RESET? WE ONLY HAD ONE RESET.
SO, UH, I'M INCLINED TO SAY THAT WHILE I, WE, THE, THE 30 MINUTES IS, IS TOUGH.
UH, WE, WE, WE, I MEAN, AND, AND WE, WE, WE DON'T HAVE AS A CITIZEN BOARD THE ABILITY TO, TO BE HERE FOR TWO DAYS TO, TO DO IT.
UM, MY, MY INSTINCT IS MY OWN, AND I AM GONNA PUT IT TO THE BOARD, UM, UH, THAT AT A MINIMUM TIME WAS EQUAL.
AND I'M, I'M, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY, WHY THE KNOW RECORDS REQUESTS, BUT I, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA DO THIS WITHOUT THE BOARD'S, UM, AUTHORIZATION.
UM, AND JUST KNOW THAT IF WE DID 10 MINUTES, THE OTHER SIDE HAS 10 MINUTES AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE CALLING WITNESSES.
AND, UM, SO I LEAVE TO THE BOARD IF, IF, UH, IF THERE IS A MOTION TO, UH, GIVE EACH SIDE 10 MINUTES, UH, I WOULD ACCEPT THE MOTION CHAIR POINT OF ORDER REAL QUICK.
SO IF THEY HAD REQUESTED A RESET, THAT SHOULD HAVE GIVEN THEM PLENTY OF TIME TO HAVE ALL THEIR EVIDENCE IN LINE AND READY TO GO.
THAT'S, LET'S, LET'S DEAL WITH THAT.
IF SOMEBODY MAKES A MOTION SO FAR, I HAVE NO MOTION TO DO THIS AT ALL.
DECIDE, UH, CAN IN REGARD TO THIS, UH, TESTIMONY, AND THEN PUT IT UP FOR THE BOARD FOR A VOTE.
SO THAT WOULD BE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES AND DO THAT.
IS THERE A SECOND? NO, I'M NOT.
I'LL SECOND IT, BUT JUST, JUST TELL, TELL ME WHY.
ACTUALLY, I'M NOT IN FAVOR, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD BE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT ALL EVIDENCE IS SATISFACTORY IN REGARD TO WHAT WE'RE SEEING, WHAT WE'VE PRESENTED.
UM, THERE ARE SOME KEY, UM, MATTERS I BELIEVE THAT, UM, HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED, HAVE NOT BEEN EXPLAINED.
BUT, UM, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO HEAR WHAT THE REST OF THE BOARD THINKS.
UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PRESENT THIS TO THE BOARD, AND THAT'S WHY I MADE THE MOTION AND THAT'S WHY I SECOND IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THERE, THERE ARE TWO OR THREE THINGS THAT, THAT COULD BE DELVED INTO.
UM, BUT IT IS ALSO FAIR TO SAY THAT, THAT WE, UH, WE, WE GAVE TIME ON BOTH SIDES AND, AND TO, UH, WHILE THE, UH, THE, THE APPELLANT SEEMS TO HAVE HIRED THE ATTORNEY FAIRLY
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RECENTLY, THERE'S, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT THAT GOES TO ANYTHING BUT THE APPELLANT MAKING THAT DECISION.UM, SO IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? MR. QUINT, THIS WOULD NOW BE THE TIME TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION.
YOU, YOU JUST, UH, YOU STARTED ON, OH, COME ON.
SO, SO TO MY POINT WAS THAT THE CITY WAS ABLE TO PRESENT THEIR CASE IN, IN 30 MINUTES AND CAME VERY WELL PREPARED.
THE APPELLANT, AND I'M NOT SAYING THEY WEREN'T PREPARED, BUT THEY WERE GIVEN THE SAME EXACT TIME.
AND I, I, I THINK IT KIND OF GOES OUT OF BOUNDS NOW TO SAY, WELL, WE NEED MORE TO PRESENT WHEN WE DIDN'T PRESENT.
AND AS WELL AS THEY HAD, UH, UH, UH, THEY RESET THE HEARING, WHICH GAVE THEM PLENTY OF TIME TO GET THEIR, THEIR DUCKS IN A ROW AND BE READY TO PRESENT ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT COULD COME UP.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MOTION? I'M LOOKING AT YOU GUYS ONLINE.
RAISE YOUR, RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK.
ANYONE HERE, MS. CHIN? I'D LIKE JUST TO MAKE A POINT THAT 30 MINUTES FOR EACH SIDE IS GENERALLY MORE THAN WHAT WE HEAR FROM ANY HEARING.
SO IT IS THE MAXIMUM OF WHAT WE KNOW IT IS HAS, HAS ALREADY BEEN THE MATS THAT WE GENERALLY APPROVE.
SO I WONDER THAT'S THERE, IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT QUESTION, BUT I AGREE.
UH, ANYONE ELSE? MS. MR. SACK? NOPE.
THAT WAS, I THOUGHT IT, IT WAS MR. QUINT.
NO, I, I, I AGREE WITH, UH, MR. QUINT.
AND, UM, THE SAME THING THAT I THINK THAT THEY HAD ENOUGH TIME TO RESPOND BACK, UH, DURING THE RESET AS WELL.
AND ALSO, UH, AGREED THAT I THINK 30 MINUTES ON BOTH SIDES.
DID, DID YOU ASK THE CITY SECRETARY FOR A, UH, A FURTHER RESET IN THE LAST 10 DAYS? DID YOU GUYS HAVE NO, NO.
I DID SEND THE CITY SECRETARY A NOTICE THAT I HAD BROUGHT TWO WITNESSES TO THIS HEARING AND NAMED THEM BOTH AT, AT THE REQUEST OF THE CITY SECRETARY WHO ASKED FOR THAT INFORMATION.
IN WHAT CONTEXT? UH, THE DEADLINE WAS LAST FRIDAY TO GIVE ALL OF MY EVIDENCE YES.
TO THE CITY SECRETARY PLUS IDENTIFY MY WITNESSES.
AND I IDENTIFIED BOTH OF THESE GENTLEMEN AS MY WITNESSES.
AND YOU, DID YOU GUYS RECEIVE EACH OTHER'S EVIDENCE ON FRIDAY? YES.
UM, THIS IS PROCEDURAL, SO, SO WE'LL TAKE A VOICE VOTE UNLESS IT'S CLOSE, IN WHICH CASE? WE'LL, OR UNLESS ANY, ANY MEMBER WANTS TO REQUEST, UH, A ROLL CALL.
UM, SO ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, WHICH IS TO SUSPEND THE RULES AND ADD 10 MINUTES TO EACH SIDE, PLEASE SAY, AYE.
A THE MOTION FAILS UNANIMOUSLY.
UM, AT THIS POINT I SEEK A MOTION, UH, ON THE, UH, THE CASE.
I MAKE A MOTION TO AFFIRM THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
UM, SPECIFICALLY I MOVE THAT THE PERMIT AND LICENSE APPEAL BOARD AND APPEAL OF THE HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY DESIGNATION FOR THE REAL PROPERTY 3 7 8 CREEKSIDE APARTMENTS, LLC, LOCATED AT 3 7 8 NORTH JIM MILLER ROAD, DALLAS, TEXAS, AFFIRM THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER 27 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE BECAUSE THE EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY SHOWED THAT THE PRESUMPTIONS IN SECTION 27 DASH 48 ARE SATISFIED.
I OBJECT BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A CLOSING ARGUMENT.
UH, MAKE SURE THAT BOTH SIDES GET TO DO A CLOSING.
I'M SORRY WE, WE GOT FOCUSED ON YOUR OTHER REQUESTS, BUT THAT'S ON ME.
HONOR HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UH, MR. KENDALL LINCOLN WILL BE DOING THE CITY'S CLOSING.
I JUST HAVE A BRIEF, UM, COMMENT PRIOR TO THAT.
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GLAD MR. ALI IS HERE TODAY TO A ANSWER QUESTIONS, UM, OF THE BOARD.UM, HOWEVER, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I HAVE, UM, SEEN OR HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET, UH, MR. ALI.
HE WAS NOT PRESENT AT THE COURT MEETING THAT THE CITY HAD.
UM, HE HAS NOT BEEN PRESENT AT ANY OF THE INSPECTIONS THE CITY HAS DONE OVER THE PAST FOUR MONTHS.
AND, UM, HE HAS NOT CONTACTED ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY PROSECUTION TEAM OVER THAT TIME REGARDING THIS MATTER.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD FIRST, AND FOR FOREMOST THE CITY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THIS MATTER TODAY.
IS YOUR MIC, ARE YOU GUYS ABLE TO HEAR HIM ONLINE? SORRY.
YEAH, IF YOU CAN SPEAK UP OR PUT IT CLOSE.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE CITY.
THANKS YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THIS MATTER TODAY.
YOU'VE CERTAINLY BEEN PRESENTED A GREAT DEAL OF EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY, AND YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.
TO UPHOLD THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S FINAL DESIGNATION OF A PROPERTY AS A HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY, THE EVIDENCE MUST ESTABLISH THAT THE PROPERTY HAS A HISTORY OF DEBATABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AS DEFINED BY CHAPTER 1 25.
THE TEXAS CIVIL PRACTICE REMEDIES CODE THAT AT LEAST FIVE DEBATABLE CRIMES OCCURRED WITHIN A 365 5 DAY PERIOD, AND THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER KNOWINGLY TOLERATED THE ABATE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY BY FAILING TO TAKE REASONABLE STEPS TO ABATE THE CRIME.
THE EVIDENCE BEFORE YOU TODAY ESTABLISHES EACH OF THESE THREE ELEMENTS WITH RESPECT TO 378 NORTH JIM MILLER ROAD AND ITS OWNERSHIP.
FIRST, THE CITY SUBMITTED EVIDENCE AND DETECTIVE GOMEZ TOLD YOU THAT 3 78 NORTH JIM MILLER ROAD HAS A HISTORY OF AVAILABLE CRIME, SPECIFICALLY 38 AVAILABLE OFFENSES OCCURRED BETWEEN MAY 4TH, 2023 AND MAY 4TH, 2026.
SECONDLY, EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY ESTABLISHED THAT DURING RELEVANT 365 DAY PERIOD FROM MAY 4TH, 2025 TO MAY 4TH, 2026, 17, AVAILABLE OFFENSES OCCURRED AT THE PROPERTY.
AND FINALLY, DETECTIVE GOMEZ DESCRIBED TO YOU IN GREAT DETAIL HOW BASED UPON HIS TRAINING AND EXPERIENCE AS A SEASONED DETECTIVE, HE DETERMINED THE OWNER KNOWINGLY TOLERATED CRIME AT THE PROPERTY BY FAILING TO IMPLEMENT CRIME PREVENTION MEASURES NECESSARY FOR THE SPECIFIC PROBLEMS OCCURRING AT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
ALTHOUGH THE PROPERTY OWNER HAD PRE-EXISTING CRIME PREVENTION MEASURES DATING BACK TO 20 21, 20 22, AND 2023, THOSE MEASURES REMAINED LARGELY UNCHANGED AS AVAILABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY INCREASE DURING THE RELEVANT 365 DAY PERIOD, THE OWNER FAILED TO MEANINGFULLY ADJUST, STRENGTHEN, OR SUPPLEMENT THOSE MEASURES IN RESPONSE TO SERIOUS RECURRING CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, INCLUDING MULTIPLE INCIDENTS OF DEADLY CONDUCT INVOLVING THE DISCHARGE OF A FIREARM, AGGRAVATED ASSAULTS WITH DEADLY WEAPONS, ROBBERY, ARSON, AND CRIMINAL MISCHIEF.
THE EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT MEANINGFUL CHANGES TO THE PROPERTY'S CRIME PREVENTION MEASURES CAME ONLY AFTER THE CITY ISSUED ITS HCP PRESUMPTION LETTER ON MAY 14TH, 2026.
THOSE SUBSEQUENT CHANGES DO NOT ESTABLISH THAT REASONABLE MEASURES WERE IN PLACE DURING THE PERIOD UNDER REVIEW.
INSTEAD, THEY REINFORCED CITY'S POSITION THAT THE MEASURES PREVIOUSLY IN PLACE WERE CAPABLE OF BEING STRENGTHENED THAT HAD REMAINED LARGELY UNCHANGED DESPITE THE ESCALATING CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.
FOR THESE REASONS, HONORABLE BOARD THE CITY RESPECTFULLY REQUESTS THAT YOU AFFIRM THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S FINAL DESIGNATION OF 3 78 NORTH JIM MILLER ROAD AS HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE LICENSE APPEAL BOARD.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME IN TAKING A CLOSE LOOK AT THIS CASE.
AND IT IS SOMEWHAT COMPLICATED, AND I WANT TO ADDRESS THE TWO MAIN ISSUES.
THE FIRST ISSUE IS THE PRESUMPTION THAT THE AVAILABLE OFFENSES OCCURRED ON THE PROPERTY AND THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED AT THE ACCORD MEETING.
AND THE CITY IS TELLING YOU THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK ONLY AT THAT EVIDENCE.
THE CHIEF'S EVIDENCE WAS THAT LETTER, THAT LIST OF OFFENSES, BUT THAT LIST BY ITSELF DOESN'T TELL YOU ANYTHING OTHER THAN IT'S A LIST OF CRIMES.
IT DOESN'T TELL YOU THAT THEY OCCURRED, YOU KNOW, THE DETAILS ABOUT DID THEY ACTUALLY OCCUR ON THE PROPERTY.
AND WHEN I WALKED THROUGH THREE OF THOSE INCIDENTS, TWO OF THOSE INSTANCES INVOLVED BULLETS BEING FIRED, PERHAPS FROM OFF THE PROPERTY ONTO THE PROPERTY, AND THEN ANOTHER ONE CONCERNED AN ARSON THAT WAS APPARENTLY COMMITTED BY AN UNKNOWN PERSON.
AND OBVIOUSLY I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO WALK THROUGH ALL OF THESE REPORTS, BUT I WOULD TELL YOU THE CHIEF FAILED TO MEET, TO PRESENT THE EVIDENCE AT THE ACCORD MEETING THAT THE AVAILABLE OFFENSES ACTUALLY OCCURRED ON THE PROPERTY.
THE, THE NARRATIVE IN TAB SIX OF THE CITY'S PRESENTATION THAT WAS NOT DISCLOSED UNTIL LAST FRIDAY.
AND THAT IS FAR AFTER THE ACCORD MEETING.
SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO HOLD TO THE STANDARD THAT YOU CAN'T CONSIDER ANY EVIDENCE AFTER THE ACCORD MEETING, THE CHIEF'S PRESENTATION OF TAB SIX TO THIS BOARD IS FAR TOO LATE.
SO THE CHIEF FAILED TO MEET HIS BURDEN
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ON MAY THE 14TH, UH, TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.SECONDLY, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY IS THE ISSUE, DID THE OWNER KNOWINGLY TOLERATE CRIME ON THE PROPERTY? I WOULD TELL YOU THE EVIDENCE IS AMPLE.
THE CITY'S RE REPORT MEMO TO YOU IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES SAYS THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED BY THE OWNER AT THE ACCORD MEETING WAS INSUFFICIENT.
THIS IS THE FIRST PAGE I PRINTED OUT ALL OF TAB 10.
IT IS 1,720 PAGES OF EVIDENCE.
THIS IS WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY HAD THE GALL TO CALL MINIMAL AND INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE.
DID I, DID THE PROPERTY OWNER NEED TO BRING A U-HAUL IN ORDER FOR THE CITY TO CONSIDER IT AMPLE EVIDENCE? THIS EVIDENCE WALKS THROUGH ALL OF THE FACTORS IN THE CITY CODE.
DID THE OWNER IMPLEMENT SEP TED PRINCIPLES AT THE PROPERTY? THE ANSWER IS YES, A GATE AND A FENCE AND SECURITY SYSTEMS AND MONITORING.
AND DID THE OWNER COMPLY WITH THE OWNER'S BUS? UH, THE REGULATIONS REGARDING THE OWNER'S BUSINESS, THE EVIDENCE IN TAB 10 SAYS, YES.
UH, THE OWNER HAS, THERE'S EVIDENCE THAT THERE ARE NO TRESPASSING SIGNS, NO LOITERING SIGNS.
THERE'S A PARKING PERMIT SYSTEM.
THERE ARE PATROLS, THERE ARE MONITORS OF THESE GATES AND FENCES PRE TRIMMING.
THERE'S A FLOCK CAMERA THAT DPD HAS ACCESS TO STEP AFTER.
AND THEN THE OWNER HAS EVEN GONE BEYOND WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES WITH THE NO BACKPACKS POLICY AND THE CURFEW.
AND YOU HAD 19 PEOPLE BEING EVICTED DUE TO COMMISSION OF CRIMES.
ASK THOSE 19 PEOPLE, DID THE OWNER TOLERATE THE CRIME? THE ANSWER IS NO.
THE OWNER KICKED THEM OFF THE PROPERTY.
AND THIS IS NOT MINIMAL EVIDENCE OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S POLICY THAT THE OWNER DIDN'T TOLERATE CRIME.
AND WITH ALL APOLOGIES, I KNOW EVERYBODY'S TIME IS IMPORTANT, BUT 30 MINUTES WAS NOT SUFFICIENT TO GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THIS.
BUT FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY TO TELL YOU THAT THERE WAS MINIMAL EVIDENCE PRESENTED TO THE CHIEF, THAT WAS A LIE.
UM, SO YOU, HERE YOU HAVE EVIDENCE OF AN OWNER WHO HAS HOUSE RULES AND CRIMINAL HISTORY, BACKGROUND CHECKS, AND THE NOTICES OF EVICTIONS THAT IS ALL HERE.
THIS OWNER IS NOT TOLERATING CRIME.
CRIME IS HIGH IN PLEASANT GROVE.
AND THEN WHEN THE CITY ATTORNEY TELLS YOU, YOU CAN'T CONSIDER EVIDENCE AFTER THE ACCORD MEETING, BUT TODAY THEY PRESENT YOU IN TAB ONE WITH EVIDENCE THAT WAS PRE PRINTED LAST WEEK.
THEY PRESENT IN TAB THREE, UH, OR EXCUSE ME, TAB FOUR, UH, UM, EXCUSE ME, TAB EIGHT AND NINE.
ALL OF THAT IS VERY RECENT EVIDENCE.
AND THAT'S UNFAIR FOR THE CITY TO SAY WE CAN'T PRESENT NEW EVIDENCE AFTER MAY 14TH, BUT THEY CAN.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE DONE TODAY.
UM, IS THERE A MOTION, HAVING HEARD BOTH CLOSING STATEMENT POINT OF ORDER? YES.
MR. QUIN? YEAH, MR. CCHI HAS ALREADY MADE THE MOTION, UH, HE MADE IT BEFORE WE HAD HEARD, UH, THE CLOSING, UH, STATEMENTS FROM EACH SIDE.
SO TO, TO PRESUME THAT THAT, UM, NOTHING COULD HAVE CHANGED AFTER LISTENING TO, TO BOTH SIDES.
I, I, I'M NOT WILLING TO MAKE THAT, BUT IF MR. PILLA WANTS TO MAKE THE SAME MOTION AGAIN AFTER HAVING HEARD THE ARGUMENTS, THEN THAT'S CERTAINLY HIS PRE YOU COMPLETED THE POINT OF ORDER? YES.
UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AFFIRM THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
I MOVED AT THE PERMANENT LICENSE APPEAL BOARD AND APPEAL OF THE HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY DESIGNATION FOR THE REAL PROPERTY 3 7 8 CREEKSIDE APARTMENTS, LLC LOCATED AT 3 7 8 NORTH JIM MILLER ROAD, DALLAS, TEXAS AFFIRM THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
AND ACCORDING TO CHAPTER 27 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE, BECAUSE THE EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY SHOW THAT THE PRESUMPTIONS IN 27 DASH 48 ARE SATISFIED.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND MS. SHIN SECONDS.
UH, MR. CILLA M SO IN LOOKING AT THIS, MADE A LIST HERE, I BELIEVE THERE ARE MORE THAN FIVE DEBATABLE CRIMES.
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UM, APPELLANT'S ATTORNEY'S PASSIONATE CLOSING IN REGARD TO THE 1700 PAGES AND FLIPPING THROUGH THEM.UM, IT APPEARS TO ME TO BE A LOT MORE OF EXPLANATION OF HOW THINGS WERE DONE, DONE BY, I BELIEVE IT WAS ARNOLD AND I DON'T HAVE IT UP HERE ANYMORE.
THERE WAS A GROUP, WHAT WAS THAT? SOC.
AND SO, UM, WHAT I DID FIND, UM, WHAT I DID FIND TO BE, AND I THINK COULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED, UH, WERE THE, THE ARE ARE COMPELLING TO ME AS ONE BOARD MEMBER IN REGARD TO THE PHOTOS.
PHOTOS THAT DEMONSTRATED THAT THERE WERE GATE DOORS STILL OPEN.
THERE WERE PHOTOS OF VEHICLE NOT TOWED, SIMPLE TASK PHOTOS, THAT FENCE HOPPER.
SO IN REGARD TO THAT FENCE AND WHAT WAS TRIED TO BE EXPLAINED, UM, UH, BY APPELLANT, IF YOU LOOK AT IT CLOSELY, THE FENCE HOPPER MAY HAVE COMING IN OR OUT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE.
BUT THE, ONCE THEY REMOVED THE BARBED WIRE, NOTHING ELSE WAS EVER PUT UP.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS REMOVED IN 2024 BY THEIR OWN EVIDENCE DEMONSTRATING BY A RECEIPT THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US.
I BELIEVE IT WAS JANUARY OR SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE IN 2024.
BUT AFTER THAT, NOTHING ELSE WAS INCLUDED OR ADDED OR DEMONSTRATED.
THE ONLY THING, IF YOU LOOK RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE THE FENCE HOPPER IS, THERE IS ACTUALLY THESE BARS THAT COME OVER AND FACE OUTWARD, WHICH I'VE ASSUMED WERE THERE PRIOR TO AND WHICH WERE THERE BACK WHENEVER MR. ALI BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN 2003.
UM, AND THEN WHAT WAS ADDED AND WHAT I SAW AND WITNESSED WHEN I WAS ASKING THE DETECTIVE IS THAT MR. ALI AND THE PROPERTY MANAGER BOTH WERE NODDING THEIR HEADS AND AFFIRMATIVE THAT THERE THE COST AND WAS, UM, OR IS THAT, I DIDN'T REALIZE LONG TIME.
I DIDN'T REALIZE WE WERE HAVING TIME THERE.
DON'T, DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT.
THAT THE COST WAS MORE TO ADD WHAT I GUESS WAS EXPLAINED, THESE OVERHANG TYPE FENCING APPARATUSES.
UM, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FENCE HOPPER PHOTO, THERE SEEMS TO BE ONE THAT HAD BEEN THERE THAT WAS CREATED WHEN THE FENCE WAS CREATED IN IT.
SOMEHOW, UH, I GUESS ADDING THOSE WOULD BE, OR WHATEVER APPARATUS IT IS IN 2025 OR 26, WOULD BE MORE THAN JUST KEEPING THE BARB WIRED UP.
UH, THE CAMERAS STILL COULD HAVE BEEN EXPLAINED WHY, AND IT WAS STATED MANY TIMES, POSITIONED WHAT SEEMED TO BE FROM THE DETECTIVE INCORRECTLY.
WE'RE NOT ABLE TO SEE JIM MILLER ROAD, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO SEE THE BREEZEWAYS, AND THEREFORE, I'M NOT SURE.
AND THAT COULD HAVE BEEN EXPLAINED WHY THOSE CAMERAS WERE NOT ADJUSTED OR DISPUTED THAT NO, THE CAMERAS WERE CORRECTLY PLACED.
OVERALL, WHAT I SEE HERE IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING WE USUALLY DON'T SEE.
IT LOOKS AS THOUGH THERE ARE THINGS THERE TO HELP THE PROPERTY, UM, ADDRESS CRIME.
WHAT I THINK IS HAPPENING, AND WHAT I KEEP HEARING EXPLAINED, AT LEAST IN THE 30 MINUTES OR MORE FROM THE APPELLANT, WAS THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF MONITORING, A LOT OF OBSERVATION, BUT NOT A LOT OF ACTIVITY, NOT A LOT OF ACTIVE ACT OR A LOT OF ACTION THAT WAS TAKEN.
IF IT NEEDED TO BE WALKED EVERY HOUR OR EVERY 30 MINUTES TO REMOVE CEMENT, THAT SEEMS THAT'S NOT A COST THAT'S MERELY GETTING OUT AND REMOVING AND MAKING SURE THE DOORS ARE CLOSED.
IF THEY NEEDED TO CHANGE THE POLICY FROM TWO MONTHS TO ONE MONTH IN REGARD TO WHEN THEY PASSED OUT, NEW CODE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE, NOT A COST.
UM, SO, AND THIS, THESE ARE THE REASONS, SIMPLE REASONS OF WHY I BELIEVE THAT THIS SHOULD BE AFFIRMED.
AND THESE ARE THINGS I WAS, I MADE IT LONG AND EXPLANATORY, SO HOPEFULLY THAT WOULD HELP THE APPELLANT SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT, UH, AT LEAST ME AS A BOARD MEMBER ARE SEEING AND WHY I'M MAKING THIS AFFIRMATION.
THANK YOU, MS. SHIN, YOUR SECOND.
MR. CILLA DID A VERY GOOD JOB OF IT BEING THOROUGH.
UH, I WOULD JUST ADD TO HIS POINT THAT, UM, THERE SEEMS TO BE THINGS THAT THE APPELLANT IS DOING, BUT JUST NEEDS TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE OF, LIKE MAKING SURE THAT THE STAFFING, IT COVERS MORE HOURS OF THE DAY AND MORE DAYS OF THE WEEK, UM, THAT YOU HAVE BETTER CODES OR PROPERTY ACCESS THAT YOU KNOW WHO IS ON YOUR PROPERTY AT ANY TIME, UM, SO THAT YOU CAN AFFIRMATIVELY STATE THAT IT'S NOT YOUR RESIDENCE COMMITTING THESE CRIMES.
SO THE BEGINNINGS ARE THERE, BUT AS FAR AS TED GOES, I, YOU NEED TO DO MORE BEFORE I COULD FEEL CONFIDENT OVERTURNING THE CHIEF OF POLICE'S DETERMINATION.
UM, AS PER NORMAL, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK AGAINST THE MOVE? I WOULD, MR. SAND, YOU'RE UP.
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SO I, I DO THINK THAT, UM, UNLESS YOU START TELE DURING TIME TO COMMISSIONER, UH, SHIN'S POINT TO OVERTURN THE CHIEF POLICES QUITE A BIT, UH, BUT SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD, I HAVE SEEN MUCH, MUCH LESS DONE FROM, UH, BUSINESSES, UH, TO TRY TO STEM THE FLOW OF CRIME.UM, TO THE POINT AS WELL, THOUGH, THERE NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT I THINK IT'S REASONABLE WHAT YOU, Y'ALL HAVE DONE, UM, TO HAVE CAMERAS, TO HAVE FLOCK, TO HAVE TOWING, TO HAVE SECURITY OFFICERS, ALBEIT NOT 24 7.
UM, I WOULD SAY THAT'S MORE THAN 50% OF WHAT THE CITY, UH, PUT IN THEIR ADDENDUM.
I BELIEVE THERE WERE 12 ITEMS THERE.
I I COUNTED THAT YOU GUYS DID QUITE A BIT BEFORE THAT ACCORD MEETING.
UM, WE KNOW THAT PLEASANT GROVE ISN'T THE BEST PLACE FOR, YOU KNOW, CRIME.
LIKE, IT, IT'S A GREAT PLACE FOR CRIME.
IT'S NOT A GOOD PLACE FOR BUSINESSES TO COUNTER CRIME.
UM, SO YOU, YOU KIND OF KNOW THAT AS WELL, UH, AS A BUSINESS SINCE 2003, UM, THAT'S NOT BEEN LIKE THE, THE, THE BEST PLACE IN ALL OF DALLAS, UM, TO HAVE A BUSINESS IF YOU WANNA AVOID CRIME.
BUT I, I STILL SIDE WITH THE APPELLANT THAT THEY MADE A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF, UM, UH, ACTIVITY TO, TO TRY TO OFFSET CRIME.
UM, AND WE KIND OF SAW THAT WITH ALL THE CONTRACTS IN THERE, UH, EVIDENCE.
UM, I AGREE WITH THE, UH, ATTORNEY FOR THE APPELLATE THAT, UH, TAB 10 DID HAVE QUITE A BIT, UM, MAYBE MORE THAN I COULD GO THROUGH IN A WEEK.
UH, I AM A VOLUNTEER, BUT I DID SEE THINGS THAT WERE PROMISING, BUT I, AGAIN, JUST SAY THERE, THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THAT NOT FANTASTIC.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHY I, UH, DENY THE CHIEF POLICE.
'CAUSE I DO THINK THEY MADE A REASONABLE ATTEMPT, WHICH MEANS ONE OF THE THREE, UH, PRESUMPTIONS WERE NOT FULFILLED IN MY MIND.
THE 15 PLUS OR THE FIVE PLUS CRIME WERE THE, HIS HISTORY, THE HISTORY OF CRIME WERE, WHICH MAKES IT THE THIRD ONE KIND OF IMPORTANT.
IF YOU KNOW THAT YOUR AREA HAS CRIME, IF YOU KNOW THAT YOUR PROPERTY HAS CRIME AND IT HAS HISTORICALLY, WE NEED TO DO MORE TO OFFSET THAT, I THINK YOU'RE DOING MORE BY ADDING A SECOND SECURITY OFFICER BY HAVING 28 CAMERAS, UM, THAT ARE MONITORED.
I WOULD SAY PLEASE REACH OUT TO THAT COMPANY AND BE LIKE, YOU GUYS NEED TO HELP US MORE.
'CAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT CALLING THE CRIMES IN, WHAT ARE THEY DOING? RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHAT SHE OR THE, UH, DETECTIVE HAD MENTIONED.
HE HAD NO REPORTS FROM THAT COMPANY CALLING, UH, THE CRIME IN.
SO IF THEY'RE MONITORING 24 7, WHAT ARE THEY DOING? UM, BUT YEAH, THAT, THAT'S IT FOR ME.
UH, WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO SPEAK FOR THE MOTION? IF YOU'RE ON LINE, RAISE YOUR HAND.
YEAH, SO I'LL, I'LL THEN, UH, SPEAK.
I, I ALSO, THIS IS THE MOST COMPLETE RESPONSE I'VE SEEN IN MY SHORT TIME, UH, HERE.
IF I WERE ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT ALL OF THIS HAD HAPPENED PRIOR TO THE LETTER, I WOULD'VE, NO, THIS WOULD BE PRETTY EASY FOR ME.
UM, I DON'T HOLD THE FACT THAT CRIME EXISTS.
I DON'T THINK THAT MEANS ON ITS OWN THAT THE OWNERS IS NOT DOING IT.
UH, THAT'S, UH, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SEE, UH, WE, WE SEE DIFFERENT DEGREES OF THINGS.
I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FLOCK CAMERAS AND, AND, UM, UH, AND SOME, SOME REAL ATTEMPTS.
I, I THINK IT, IT WAS, UH, A LITTLE BIT SPOTTY, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS EXACTLY WHEN DID IT COME BACK.
I DID GO THROUGH THE THOUSAND PAGES IN, IN, IN, IN, IN THE WAY THAT ONE SKIMS, UM, AND TRIED TO AT LEAST ASSOCIATE A, A REPORT WITH, WITH, UH, A ABATE.
AND I CAME UP WITH SEVEN THAT I THOUGHT DIDN'T, UH, DIDN'T QUALIFY, BUT, UH, THE REASON I DIDN'T HARP ON IT IS THAT I, I FOUND FIVE THAT I, I HAD NO QUESTION ON.
UM, I DON'T, SO I, I HAVE TO ASK PART TWO IS, IS WHAT, WHAT EVIDENCE DO I SEE, UH, OF THE HI HISTORICAL OPERATION? NOT THAT I DON'T BELIEVE IT, BUT THE, THE EVIDENCE REALLY COMES IN THE FORM OF, OF THE, UH, APPELLANT'S TESTIMONY THAT SAYS, HEY, WE HAD THIS WHERE WE, AND WE FIXED IT, AND IT WENT UP AND DOWN, BUT THAT'S LARGELY BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET THE POLICE REPORTS.
UM, SO I, I DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHAT TO DO THAT I, I THINK
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IN THE END, YOU GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHAT IS ENOUGH.AND, UM, IF I WERE TO VOTE FOR THE MOTION, IT WOULD BE BECAUSE IT WASN'T ENOUGH BEFORE THE LETTER.
AND IF I VOTE AGAINST IT, IT'S BECAUSE I THINK THERE WAS ENOUGH THEN AND ENOUGH.
NOW, I DON'T THINK I'M GONNA VOTE AGAINST IT, BUT IT'S SOMEONE ELSE I'M TALKS, UH, I ALLOW MYSELF TO BE CONVINCED OF THAT BE EMPTY VARIANT.
UH, WOULD ANYONE ELSE BE, I'M LOOKING ONLINE AND SEEING NOTHING LOOKING HERE, ASSUMING I GIVE YOU A SECOND ROUND, I GO GO AHEAD.
AND YOU SAYING, SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO POINT OUT IN REGARD TO LOOKING AT THIS LIST IS, UM, WORKING, UH, THROUGH IT, OR NOT LIST, BUT PAGES, A LOT OF THESE PAGES ARE WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR HUD REQUIREMENTS.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING NEW SPECIAL.
UM, THESE ARE WHAT THEY HAVE HUD SPACES.
HUD UNITS, AND THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE THESE MODEL LEASE HUD REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS.
SO ADDING, IF, IF I, I, I WON'T, I WON'T GO BACK TO MY PROFESSION, BUT KNOWING FULL WELL OF 1700 PAGES CAN SAY BE 1700 PAGES.
BUT IF MOST OF THIS, OR WHAT I FLIPPED THROUGH AND WHAT I NOTICED WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, IT WAS, THIS IS WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR HUD.
THEN ANY, ANY PROPERTY THAT HAS HUD, UM, SPACES OR, OR WHATEVER YOU CALL, UH, WHATEVER YOU WANNA REF, I DON'T KNOW THE PROPER TERM, THEY WOULD HAVE SOME OF THESE PAGES AS WELL.
AND SO I DON'T SEE THAT AS, HEY, THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE DOING, THIS IS WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO, BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THEIR BUSINESS MODEL.
UM, SO IN REGARD TO WHEN THEY STATE WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN REGARD TO, UH, RESIDENT CHECKS, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE REQUIRED.
SO THAT'S A PART OF THEIR APPLICATION PROCESS.
SO WHEN WE, AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE I DON'T ACTUALLY, UM, DISAGREE WITH THOSE THAT ARE SEDATING, THAT THEY WOULD DENY THIS MOTION, UM, IN REGARD TO ARE WE SEEING MORE, IS IT MORE, IS THERE MORE DOC? YES, THERE'S MORE DOCUMENTS.
BUT WHAT I SEE THIS AS MORE ALONG THE LINES OF, HEY, WHAT I'M NOT SAYING IS THESE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS OF WHAT I, UM, WHAT I NEED FOR MY BUSINESS MODEL.
AND THIS IS WHAT I TURN INTO HUD NOW, WHAT I'M, WHAT WE'RE HERE TODAY TO DO IS DETERMINE IF THESE CRIMES, THESE DEBATABLE CRIMES, AND EVERYBODY'S AGREEING THAT THERE'S MORE THAN FIVE OR FIVE OR MORE.
ARE THESE, ARE THERE OTHER THINGS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE? DO I THINK THAT THERE WAS KNOWLEDGE OF CRIME? YES.
DO I THINK THE OWNER HAD KNOWLEDGE OF CRIME? YES.
DO I THINK THE PROPERTY OWNER HAD KNOWLEDGE OF CRIME? YES.
DO I THINK THERE'S SOME EXTRA STEPS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN PRIOR TO EVEN BEING TOLD, HEY, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR PROPERTY.
IF YOU HAVE ALL THIS MONITORING AS A, WHEN YOU'RE AN OWNER OF A BUSINESS, THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF EXECUTIVE DASHBOARD THAT SAYS WHAT'S GOING ON ON YOUR PROPERTY OR WHAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR BUSINESS.
AND SO IF THERE'S MORE TO DO, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE JUST RUNNING THE BUSINESS.
AND IT HAPPENS TO BE THAT WE'RE IN FRONT OF THE, A CITY BOARD OF VOLUNTEERS THAT'S LOOKING AT AAT CRIMES.
BUT IN ANY INSTANCE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WOULD, I WOULD ASSUME NORMALLY BE DONE WITH A, WITH A BUSINESS MODEL WHERE YOU ARE ACCEPTING, YOU'RE ACCEPTING A OR YOU'RE OR ACCEPTING AND, AND HAVE A PROGRAM THAT TENDS TO CREATE A LITTLE MORE RISK.
AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.
EVERYBODY NEEDS TO HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE, BUT THERE NEEDS TO, WITH ACCEPTING THAT THERE IS AN ACCEPTANCE OF WITHIN YOUR BUSINESS MODEL THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO MORE OR THAT YOU'RE GONNA DO MORE THAN JUST MONITORING.
AND THAT'S WHAT I SEE THE GAP HERE.
AND I THINK THE GAP WAS BEFORE THE ACCORD MEETING.
THE GAP WAS KNOWN IF YOU HAVE OWNED THIS FOR AS LONG AS ONE HAS OWNED THIS SINCE 2003.
ANYONE, IF YOU'RE ONLINE, RAISE YOUR HAND.
UH, MR. ILLA, YOU'RE A TOUGH ACT TO FOLLOW, THAT'S FOR SURE.
JUST TO TAIL HOOK WHAT HE HAD SAID ABOUT THE OWNER
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KNOWINGLY TOLERATING OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, THERE'S BEEN 38 AVAILABLE CRIMES ON THE PROPERTY, AND YET EACH YEAR THE NUMBER HAS GONE UP, NOT DOWN.SO HAD THE OWNER OF NOT BEEN TOLERATING THE NUMBER SHOULD HAVE, HAVE GONE DOWN VERSUS UP.
SO I THINK THE OWNER KNOWINGLY TOLERATED THE, THE CRIME THERE AND DIDN'T DO ENOUGH TO STOP IT, SO TO SPEAK.
UM, YEAH, I, I THINK, UH, WHERE I DIFFER IS, IS HOW NARROWLY I'M, I'M LOOKING AT MY STANDARD AND WHAT I'VE SEEN PROVEN.
UH, I NOTE THAT CAUSATION DOESN'T EQUAL CORRELATION OR VICE VERSA.
UM, I'M JUST IN MY HEAD TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE LINE IS AND HOW I'M ULTIMATELY GONNA FIGURE OUT WHAT ENOUGH IS.
THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE MORE THAT SOMEBODY CAN DO.
AND WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA BE HEARING THINGS ABOUT A PROPERTY THAT HAS PROBLEMS. IT'S THE NATURE OF, OF WHAT WE HEAR.
UM, AND I HAVE ONLY A FEW CASES TO COMPARE IT TO, BUT, BUT THIS, THIS APPLICANT HAS, HAS DONE MORE THAN THAN OTHERS.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I END UP.
ANYONE ELSE WANNA SPEAK? OKAY, LET'S CALL THE MOTION.
UH, THE MOTION IS TO UPHOLD, UH, THE CHIEF'S FINAL DETERMINATION THAT THE PROPERTY IS A HABITUAL CRIMINAL TRIAL.
UM, VICE CHAIR, CILLA, IN FAVOR OF THE AFFIRMATION.
DR. JACKSON FAVOR? MR. JEFFS? YES.
IN FAVOR, MR. CRON? AFFIRMATIVE.
MR. SAXON, UH, I DENY, I I DO NOT AFFIRM MS. SHIN.
AND, UH, I, UH, I VOTE AGAINST THE MOTION.
SO THE MOTION PASSES SOMETHING TO TWO, UH, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, UH, EIGHT TO TWO.
IS THAT CORRECT? MOTION PASSES.
UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING, UM, I KNOW IT'S MAYBE NOT THE MOST PLEASANT SPEND IN THE MORNING, BUT, UM, I APPRECIATE, UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE CASES SCHEDULED FOR THE 15TH.
UH, THEY'RE RELATIVELY NEW, SO WE WILL KNOW QUICKLY FROM MS. SANCHEZ AS TO WHETHER THEY HAVE ASKED FOR, FOR RESETS.
UM, SO, UM, PERHAPS I'LL SUE THEM AND IF NOT IN NOVEMBER.
UM, PERMIT LICENSE APPEAL BOARD AT 11:50 AM IS ADJOURNED.