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GOOD AFTERNOON.I'M CALLING TO ORDER THIS MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION.
IT IS OCTOBER 5TH, 2026 AT 1 0 3, AND WE BEGIN OUR AFTERNOON MEETING WITH A, UM, A FORUM OF COMMISSIONERS IN ATTENDANCE.
A ELAINE, WOULD YOU PLEASE BEGIN BY DOING A ROLL CALL OF OUR COMMISSIONERS, DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER CUMMINS.
COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY PRESENT, DISTRICT THREE.
COMMISSIONER SMITH WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY.
OH, I THOUGHT, UH, DISTRICT 13.
HE IS PRESENT, BUT NOT BY MICROPHONE.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON AND COMMISSIONER REEVES.
COMMISSIONER REEVES IS OUT OF THE ROOM AT THIS MOMENT, BUT WE'LL BE PRESENT.
UM, TODAY'S AGENDA IS FAIRLY LENGTHY AND HAS SOME COMPLICATED CASES IN IT.
UM, AND WE WANT TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT OUR ENERGY LASTS TO GIVE FAIR AND EQUAL TREATMENT TO ALL OF OUR APPLICANTS.
WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO BE HERE ALL NIGHT, SO IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE DEAL WITH THE MOST SALIENT ISSUES, YOU KNOW, FOCUS ON THAT.
WE DID HAVE SOME DISCUSSION IN OUR BRIEFING OF, OF OTHER THINGS LIKE WHETHER THINGS HAVE PARKING OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT ARE NOT REALLY OUR PURVIEW.
IF THE LOT COVERAGE IS TOO MUCH, OTHER, OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY WILL CATCH THAT.
SO WE SHOULD AVOID GETTING TOO DISTRACTED BY THOSE.
AND IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THAT, I AM ASKING OUR CITY INTERNAL ATTORNEY, MR. MOORE INTERNAL.
THEY'RE OUR INTERNAL ATTORNEY.
YOU HAVE BEEN DAMNED TO ATTORNEY HERE.
I WILL ASK YOU TO CHIME IN WHEN WE ARE STRAYING FROM SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ENFORCE ANYWAY.
'CAUSE THERE'S NO POINT IN US TALKING ABOUT IT AND STAFF COULD TELL THE APPLICANT IF IT'S NEWS THEY NEED TO KNOW.
BUT WE MUST TRY TO STAY ON TOPIC.
SO LET US BEGIN WITH, UM, OUR VICE CHAIR COMMISSIONER POSI HAS SOME MOTIONS TO MAKE ABOUT OUR AGENDA.
WHO WANTS A LOT OF READING TO DO TODAY? COMMISSIONER IN TORONTO.
WOULD YOU LOVE TO READ THE TASK FORCE STUFF TODAY? OKAY.
I THINK I, I CAUGHT HIM OFF HEART.
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CAN ANYONE HEAR ME? I CAN HEAR YOU, BUT I CAN'T HEAR ANYONE ELSE.
I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO HEAR ANYBODY FOR THE LAST FEW MINUTES.
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MY ADDRESS POP UP AND THEN, UH, I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO HEAR ANYTHING.MR. JONES, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YOU CAN.
CAN UNMUTE YOURSELF? CAN UNMUTE? I CAN HEAR NOW.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS WRONG, BUT THEY HAVE FIXED IT.
[COURTESY REVIEW ITEMS]
RIGHTY.SO WE HAVE, UM, READ IN YOUR CASE AND WE HAVE REVIEWED IT.
SO, UH, WOULD YOU NOW LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO TELL US SOME FURTHER, FURTHER INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR, YOUR PROPOSAL? SURE.
I I DIDN'T GET TO HEAR ANYTHING YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA WALK THROUGH, UH, ALL THREE OR, OR TAKE 'EM BITE BY BITE.
AND I HAVE THE PRESENTATION, SO I'LL SCROLL THROUGH WHILE YOU KIND OF TELL THEM WHAT YOU WANNA DO.
SO THE, UH, THE FIRST THING THAT WE ARE, ARE LOOKING TO DO AS YOU LOOK AT THE PRESENTATION ON THE FIRST PAGE IS WE HAVE A SIDE PORCH, UM, THAT IS CURRENTLY SCREENED IN.
IT'S AN OFFSET PORCH THAT SITS BELOW A SLEEPING PORCH.
AND WE ARE LOOKING TO INCL ENCLOSE THAT IN WITH GLASS, UM, SO THAT WE CAN EXPAND SOME OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOME FROM A LIVING AREA JUST TO HELP ACCOMMODATE OUR, YOU KNOW, FIVE, THREE KIDS AND FIVE PERSON HOME.
UM, I'VE DONE QUITE A, WE CAME THROUGH THE APPROACH FOR APPROVAL LAST MONTH.
UH, MY MISTAKE WAS UNAWARE THAT WE COULD COME FOR FEEDBACK.
UM, IT WAS DENIED BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ENCLOSE A FRONT PORCH.
AND I THINK THE MISCOMMUNICATION ON THAT WAS THAT THIS IS REALLY A SIDE PORCH.
UM, I WALKED THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 47 HOMES THAT HAVE SIMILAR SIDE PORCHES.
UM, AND OF THOSE 47, ROUGHLY 39 OF 'EM, OR 80% OF 'EM ARE ENCLOSED WITH GLASS.
UM, THE EIGHT THAT DON'T, THEY EITHER HAVE SCREENS OR NOTHING OR IRON GATES.
AND, AND MOST OF THOSE THAT THAT DON'T ARE EITHER SINGLE STORY OR RATHER THAN HAVING THE BRICK COLUMNS LIKE WE DO ON THE SIDE, THEY'RE MORE KIND OF POST AND ROUNDED, WHICH WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE FOR WINDOWS.
UM, SO REALLY THE PURPOSES OF THAT TRYING TO DO THAT IS ONE, JUST ENHANCE THE OVERLOOK AT THE HOUSE JUST 'CAUSE THE SCREENS AREN'T AS VISUALLY APPEALING.
UM, AND ALSO JUST TO BE ABLE TO ADD SOME FOOTPRINT.
UH, THE OTHER PIECE, UH, LOOSELY CORRELATED TO THAT IS THE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, THERE'S A BIG FLOWER BED.
IT IS JUST LOOKING TO PUT A, UH, CONCRETE BRUSHED CONCRETE SITTING AREA OUT THERE.
VERY SIMILAR TO MOST THE HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE SOME CHAIRS JUST SITTING IN THE FLOWER BED THERE TO BE ABLE TO SIT OUT THERE AND WATCH THE KIDS RIDE THEIR BIKES PLAYING STREET AND JUST ENJOY WHAT A BLESSING THAT SWISS IS FROM THE FOOT TRAFFIC.
UM, THE THIRD PIECE OF THE PROJECT WAS THE BACK PATIO AND SITTING AREA.
UM, I DON'T, WE, WE CAME THROUGH LAST MONTH.
UM, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAD ANY ISSUES WITH THE STRUCTURE ITSELF.
IT BLENDS IN WITH THE, THE HOME FROM A LOOK, IT LOOKS, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE IT WASN'T ADDED ON, WAS A PART OF IT.
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THE ONLY THING AT THE VERY END THAT WAS ASKED TO DO WAS TO MOVE THE ENTIRE FLOOR PLAN OF THAT OVER TO THE LEFT SIDE.UM, AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAD WITH THAT IS ONE, IT IT COVERS OVER A ROSE GARDEN THAT'S THERE, IT ALSO GOES OVER THE DRIVEWAY AND IF YOU DON'T PUT IT ON THE DRIVEWAY, IT MAKES A REALLY SMALL SPACE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO WALK THROUGH TO GET OVER THAT SEATING SECTION.
AND IT JUST DOESN'T REALLY WORK FROM A FLOW PERSPECTIVE.
UM, SO WE WANTED JUST TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS WHY IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE AND NOT ABLE TO HAVE IT EXTEND WHERE WE HAD IT.
THERE'S ALREADY A BRICK PATIO THERE.
UH, IT IS ALREADY, UH, AN AREA, UM, THAT HAS AN, AN ENTRANCE TO GO AROUND.
AND SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS, IT CAN'T BE SEEN BY THE, UH, FROM THE STREET.
IT IS, UH, DOES NOT STICK OUT FURTHER THAN THE SLEEPING PORCH IN THAT AREA.
AND WE JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT THAT AND USE THAT AS, UM, LIVING AREA.
'CAUSE I DIDN'T SEE ANYWHERE IN THE STATUTE THAT SAID THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T HAVE AN AREA JUT OUT FROM BEHIND THE HOUSE AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T PROTRUDE TO THE SIDE.
AND THERE'S ALSO SEVERAL OTHER HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS THAT HAVE THAT EXACT SAME STRUCTURE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO AND JUST WANTED TO HAVE SOME MORE DISCUSSION AROUND WHAT WE COULD DO TO TRY TO MAKE THAT FIT INTO THE, TO THE CITY'S PLANS AS WELL.
AND WE DID ALSO HAVE, UH, FALLON WIESNER JONES SIGNED UP.
UH, WHAT BE HEARING SHE IS UNFORTUNATELY, UH, AT HAVING TO BE AT SCHOOL WITH ONE OF MY KIDS AND NOT ABLE TO, TO JUMP OFF.
SO YOU'RE HANDLING THIS TODAY? CORRECT.
SO, UM, STAFF, JUST BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY ALREADY.
REMIND ME WHAT EXACTLY IS THE VERBIAGE ABOUT ENCLOSING FRONT PORCHES OR SIDE PORCHES AND, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WE'RE ARGUING ABOUT WHETHER IT'S THE FRONT OR SIDE AND ABOUT HAVING A PATIO THAT IS OUT TO THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE WARNED YOU ABOUT THIS BEFORE THAT.
I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GOT HERE AND PUT YOU ON THIS PATH.
HOW THIS IS GOING TO READ FROM THE ORDINANCE TO US, SO I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS.
SO THE EXACT VERBIAGE ON IT SAYS IT'S UNDER A SECTION CALLED FRONT ENTRANCES AND PORCH.
A FRONT ENTRANCE OR PORCH MAY NOT BE ENCLOSED WITH ANY MATERIAL INCLUDING IRON BARS, GLASS OR MESH SCREENING.
THE QUESTION BECOMES, AND WHAT STAFF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION LAST TIME WAS THAT BECAUSE THERE IS A FRONT FACING FACADE ON THIS PORCH THAT'S, THAT THAT DOES FACE THE STREET.
WE, WE WERE SAYING EVEN THOUGH IT'S ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, IT'S, IT'S A FRONT FACING FOR, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THE, THE ORDINANCE DIDN'T DO A GREAT JOB OF DISTINGUISHING ANYTHING ABOUT THE SIDE, SIDE FOOT.
UNFORTUNATE FOR STREET THAT HAS SO MANY OF THOSE SIDE FORS.
COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
MY MY FEELINGS ON THIS IS THAT THE PORCH WAS ORIGINALLY PART OF AN OPEN FEATURE.
I DON'T THINK THE SCREEN REALLY CAUSES A PROBLEM BECAUSE IT'S SORT OF STILL OPEN, UH, KIND OF AS A GARDEN STRUCTURE.
BUT I THINK TAKING AN OPEN PORCH AND GLASSING IT IN IS GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION IN MY OPINION.
ALSO, I, I BELIEVE THAT THAT PORCH IS A SIDE PROJECTION AND BUILDING A PORCH BEHIND THAT KIND OF NULLIFIES THE PROJECTION AND MAKES IT KIND OF NOW PART OF THE HOUSE INSTEAD OF A PROJECTION AS ORIGINALLY WOULD BE.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE ADDITIONS TO THE SIDES OF HOUSES ARE APPROPRIATE ADDITIONS SHOULD BE ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE SO THAT THE PROJECTION READS AS IT DID HISTORICALLY.
SO YOU DO NOT SEE THE FACT THAT THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE REAR PORCH IS BEHIND THAT
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SUN PORCH OVER THERE THAT'S BEHIND SOMETHING? YEAH.IF WHAT FILLS IN THAT FILLING IN THAT VOID, THEN IT NULLIFIES IT AS A PROJECTION AND MAKES IT KIND OF PART OF THE HOUSE MASS, WHICH WAS NOT THE INTENTION ORIGINALLY.
COMMISSIONER RENO? UM, I BEG TO DIFFER BECAUSE OF THE, THE PROPORTION AND SCALE OF THE ROOF THAT'S OVER THE PORCH.
IT'S GOT THE SAME EXACT DETAILS AS THE MAIN HOUSE, THE SAME BRACKETS, THE SAME SOFFIT DESIGN, THE SAME PITCH, THAT IT IS IN FACT A PORTION OF THE HOUSE AND NOT AN EXTENSION OF IT.
AND THAT THE PORCH COMING ACROSS THE REAR AS AN ADDITION, UM, WOULD BE FINE AS IT'S PLANNED.
MARCUS DOES HAVE SOMETHING FROM THE ORDINANCE HE WOULD LIKE TO ADD ABOUT ADDITIONS.
CONSIDER IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY ANSWER WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE TODAY.
WELL, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T, UM, ALL ADDITIONS TO A BUILDING MUST BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE DOMINANT HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL CHARACTERISTICS.
SCALE, SHAPE, ROOF FORM, MATERIALS, DETAILING AND COLOR OF THE BUILDING.
IT DOESN'T SAY THAT THERE CAN'T BE A SIDE JUT OUT.
IT JU BUT IT DOES NEED TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE HORIZONTAL, VERTICAL AND SCALE AND SHAPE OF THE BUILDING.
COMMISSIONER HARPER? UH, YEAH, QUESTION, UH, FOR STAFF AND, SORRY, I DIDN'T ASK THIS EARLIER, BUT, UM, THE, THE NEW PAVEMENT, UM, THE TERRACE THAT'S PROPOSED IN THE FRONT YARD AND THE NEW SIDEWALK.
UM, THE, THE ORDINANCE LIMITS PAVEMENT AND LANDSCAPE BEDS TO 20, NO MORE THAN 25% OF THE FRONT YARD.
THIS LOOKS LIKE THIS EXCEEDS THAT.
DID Y'ALL CALCULATE IT? WE DID NOT CALCULATE IT, BUT SO THE, THE, IT WOULD BE WHERE THE BLACK, UH, PART IS AND NOT THIS, THEY'RE CHANGING THEIR MIND ON THIS PART, SO IGNORE THAT.
SO IF WE'RE THINKING OF THE WHOLE FRONT YARD, I THINK IT MIGHT BE LESS THAN 25%.
I DIDN'T MEASURE IT, BUT IT DOES HAVE A DIMENSION ON IT.
UM, THE FRONT YARD DIMENSION IS 100 FEET OF THE LOT, SO IT'S, OH, IT'S A LITTLE OVER.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ALLOWED TO SPEAK.
THEY'RE WILLING TO CUT THAT BACK.
YOU CAN ACTUALLY MAKE THAT PART OF A CONDITION.
'CAUSE THAT CALCULATION WOULD, IS SUPPOSED TO INCLUDE THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY IN FRONT.
RIGHT? ALL THOSE BELIEVE SO, YES.
SORRY, I, I I SPOKE OUTTA ATTORNEY.
BUT SO THERE'S NO MOTION TODAY ANYWAY, SO IT IS NOW KNOWN THAT FOR THE FINAL APPLICATION IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO CUT IT IN SIZE AND IT WOULD BE BETTER.
COMMISSIONER REEVES, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE, UH, OWNER CAME FORWARD AND TOTAL US HOW MANY HOUSES HAVE ALREADY FILLED IN WITH GLASS.
THE ALL THE TASKS THAT I WAS MANAGER OFF OF PERIOD OF TIME TO FILLED IN THEIR, THEIR SPACE WITH BLOCKS.
AND I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY IT WOULD BE USEFUL FOR THE PAYMENT.
I DON'T THINK IT DETRACTS FROM OKAY.
THAT THAT IS WHAT AN ISSUE IF I, IF I COULD ASK MR. JONES AND, UM, SOMETIMES I ASK APPLICANTS WHAT IF QUESTIONS.
SO IF IT TURNED OUT THAT YOU WERE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET APPROVAL OF BLASTING IN THAT SIDE PORCH, WHAT WOULD YOU, UM, WOULD YOU KEEP THE, UH, WOULD YOU WANNA KEEP THE SCREENING OR WOULD YOU OPEN IT UP? I MEAN, YOU CAN KEEP THE SCREENING FOREVER AND MAKE SMALL REPAIRS.
BUT HOW IMPORTANT A LOSS IS IT IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO GLASS IT IN? I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE THREE CHILDREN, BUT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A BIG BACK PORCH.
I WOULD, I WOULD SAY IF, IF WE'RE, IF, YOU KNOW, IF THE, IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GLASS IT IN, WE WOULD WANT TO KEEP THE SCREEN JUST BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, MOSQUITOES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
ALLOW IT TO BE A USEFUL SPACE.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE IDEA AND THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THAT BE KIND OF A SEATING ROOM, UH, AN OFFICE ROOM, YOU KNOW, JUST, UH, IT'S ALREADY THERE.
UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT MATTERS, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE GO BACK TO THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WHEN THEY ADDED IN THE SCREENS, I MEAN, IT, IT STATES THAT SIDE PORCHES MAY BE ENCLOSED WITH GLASS OR SCREEN.
SO I KNOW THE OPINION BACK IN APRIL OF 2010 WAS THAT GLASS COULD, I DID CHECK WITH THE PREVIOUS HOMEOWNER, UM, ON IF THEY EVER EXPLORED IT AND, AND THEY DIDN'T BECAUSE THEY, THEY PERSONALLY, UH, WANTED TO HEAR BIRDS.
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UM, BUT THAT'S NOT THE BEST FOR US IF POSSIBLE.UM, AND I, IT BROUGHT MY ATTENTION THAT YOUR PROPOSED GLASSING OF IT WOULD INCLUDE A DOOR FACING THE FRONT, WHICH PROBABLY MAKES IT MORE OF A PROMINENT PORCH IF THE DOOR FACING THE FRONT WERE AN ADDED INCENTIVE FOR US TO NOT WANT TO APPROVE IT.
COULD YOU GET RID OF THE DOOR FACING THE FRONT UNIT? IT ABSOLUTELY.
YEAH, THAT DOESN'T MEAN I KNOW WHAT ANYBODY WANTS TO DO.
I JUST WANTED TO EXPLORE SOME OF THE CONCERNS.
AND IN THE SAME SPIRIT OF, OF WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF IT'S ALL YOU HAVE THE CHOICE TO DO
THE PROBLEM IS WE CAN'T GO THE ONE DIRECTION YOU GUYS MENTIONED BECAUSE IT'S THE DRIVEWAY AND THAT'S NEEDED.
UM, WE ALSO LOOKED AT EXTENDING IT OUT FURTHER, BUT THAT WOULD REQUIRE CHOPPING DOWN A A HUNDRED PLUS YEAR OLD PECAN TREE, WHICH I DON'T, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT EITHER.
UM, NO, WE, AND WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T WANT YOU TO DO THAT EITHER.
SO REALLY THAT WAS, AND OTHERWISE IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THE SPACE AND IS JUST NOT BIG ENOUGH FROM THAT ONE PROJECTION REALLY TO ADD MUCH.
AND, AND THE OTHER, I MEAN, AT LEAST FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, RIGHT? I MEAN, I, I LOOK AT THIS AS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A HOME TWO YEARS AGO THAT DID THIS EXACT SAME THING.
UM, AND IT WRAPPED AROUND TO THEIR KIND OF SLEEPING PORCH AND UNDER AREA MM-HMM
UM, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE THAT SHOWS THAT AREA OVER THERE, THE REASON WE'RE WANTING TO DO THAT IS BECAUSE IT'S, IT, IF WE MOVED IT OVER, YOU'RE JUST CREATING A HUGE SPACE OF THE YARD THAT IS JUST NOT USABLE.
UM, AND THIS KIND OF NATURALLY HAS THAT WALKWAY AND PATHWAY SO THE SPACE CAN BE USED AND LOOK MORE UNIFORM RATHER THAN KIND OF A JUNK PILE OF STUFF THAT JUST HOLDS AC UNITS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, FOR NO ONE CAN USE IT.
UM, AND UH, I WILL NOTE THOUGH THAT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE DONE THIS, WE DON'T GO BY PRECEDENT.
SO EACH CASE IS VIEWED INDIVIDUALLY, BUT OBVIOUSLY UNDERSTAND, FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.
UM, WHEN IF, IF NO CHANGE MADE IN THE BACK PORTION PORCH DESIGN AND, AND WHEN YOU COME TO RESUBMIT TO FINALLY TO SEE ABOUT REALLY GETTING YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, I WOULD SUGGEST TRYING TO GET SOME SHOTS SHOWING US WHAT WOULD BE VISIBLE OF THE PROPOSED PORCH FOR A PERSON WALKING DOWN.
BUT TO SHOW US THIS SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHETHER IT WILL BE, I MEAN, I WALKED PAST YOUR HOUSE, SO I, I COULD GUESS, BUT, YOU KNOW, TRY TO, TO HELP TO SUPPORT YOUR CASE, WHETHER THE IDEA THAT MAYBE WE WOULD NOT ABLE TO EVEN SEE IT.
THEREFORE IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT IT'S THERE.
SINCE WE ARE OBVIOUSLY HAVING A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND IN DISAGREEMENTS, WHO ELSE NEEDS TO CHIME IN? COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO JUST SPEAK A LITTLE BIT JUST ABOUT GOING BACK TO THE, UM, SIDE FRONT PORCH THAT, UH, IS, UH, SCREENED IN AT THE MOMENT.
I TOO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT SEEING THAT AS MORE OF A, UH, CHARACTER DEFINING, UM, DETAIL.
AND IT'S, SINCE IT IS YES, ON THE SIDE, BUT, BUT ACTUALLY STILL ON THE FRONT, UH, THAT I SEE THAT MORE AS A HIGH LEVEL, UH, UH, BEING A HIGH LEVEL SCRUTINY TYPE OF A SITUATION THERE.
UM, SO I WOULD BE, AND WHEN WE'RE HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF GRAY AREAS ON MAYBE SOME ORDINANCES, UH, FROM HERE AND THERE, I THINK IT'S ALWAYS BEST PRACTICE TO FALL, FALL BACK ON, UH, NATIONAL PARK SERVICE.
UH, AND THEY'RE VERY MUCH AGAINST TO THE, A A HIGH LEVEL CHARACTER DEFINING PORCH BEING SCREENED IN, UM, AS WELL, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S, UH, FRONT VISIBLE SUCH AS THIS.
UM, IF IT DID GET TO A POINT WHERE WE WERE LEANING TOWARDS CONSIDERING ALLOWING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I WOULD CERTAINLY WANT TO PUT A THOUGHT IN THE HEAD TO MAYBE BACK OFF THE WHERE IT IS.
UH, SO LIKE WHERE IT WOULD BE PUSHED IN A LITTLE FURTHER SO YOU COULD SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE COLUMNS.
SO IT KIND OF, UM, SHOW OR TALK OR SPEAK TOWARDS THAT.
IT, YOU KNOW, IT BEING A, UH, A PORCH AT ONE TIME AND I WOULD CERTAINLY NOT HAVE THAT DOOR IN THE FRONT.
UM, BUT I WOULD BE LEANING TOWARDS, UH, NOT APPROVING THIS, UH, TO MAKE IT A GLASS.
SO THAT THOSE WOULD BE MY CONCERNS ON THAT.
UM, I HAPPEN TO HAVE BEEN THE STAFF MEMBER IN 2010
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WHO MADE A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE, UM, THE, UH, SCREEN PORCH.AND I SEE A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SCREENS, WHICH ARE STILL KIND OF A OUTDOOR, VERY KIND OF MILD CHANGE TO THE STRUCTURE.
UH, AND I WOULD NOT SUPPORT THE GLASS.
SO I WAS JUST MAKING NOTE THAT AT THE TIME THE LANDMARK MISSION DID APPROVE SCREENS, BUT THE SCREENS ARE MORE OF A GARDEN TYPE, STILL, STILL BEING SORT OF A GARDEN LIKE STRUCTURE, NOT OUTDOOR STRUCTURE.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE NOTE.
AND IT'D BE BEST ALSO AS I WAS SPEAK OF GOING BACK TO TAKE A LOOK AT, I THINK IT'S, UH, NPS NATIONAL PARK SERVICE BRIEF 45, I THINK WOULD HELP SPELL OUT THE SITUATION A LITTLE CLEARER.
IF THE PROPOSED GLASS LOOKED LESS, LESS LIKE THE REST OF THE WINDOWS IN THE HOUSE, WHICH IT KIND OF DOES IN THIS DRAWING, IF IT WAS JUST MORE LIKE A SHEET OF GLASS, WOULD THAT BE MORE ACCEPTABLE? PERHAPS? POTENTIALLY.
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS WOULD THINK THAT WAS MORE ACCEPTABLE.
MR. JONES, I'M AFRAID THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GIVE YOU A VERY STRONG CONSENSUS ON WHAT WE THINK YOU OUGHT TO COME BACK AND APPLY FOR, BUT YOU AT LEAST KNOW WHAT CONCERNS THAT MAY NEED TO BE ANSWERED AND THAT YOU NEED TO TRY TO MAKE YOUR DESIGN AND YOUR PRESENTATION OF IT TAKE INTO ALL THOSE CONSIDERATIONS.
WE DON'T WANT YOU TO NOT, IT'S NOT WE'RE TRYING TO STOP YOU FROM HAVING WHAT YOU WANT, IT'S JUST THAT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE, UM, OUR MANDATE TO PRESERVE THE HISTORY AND TO OUR BEST JUDGMENT.
SO YOU HEARD OUR MANY JUDGMENTS AND GOOD LUCK FOR YOU TO, YOU WORK WITH CHRISTINA AND SHE CAN HELP YOU AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU COME BACK WITH A REAL, WITH A BIT OF APPROPRIATENESS.
NEXT STEP, ANOTHER COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER EIGHT.
WE ALL KNOW THE COMPUTERS HATE US TODAY AND WANT TO IMPEDE OUR WORK.
OKAY, SO I COMBINE TO COURTESY REVIEW THE PRESENTATIONS, UM, EIGHT AND NINE INTO ONE BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT THE SAME PROPERTY.
UM, SO 2 1 9 NORTH WALNUT AVENUE.
THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE HOME, THE LOCATION.
THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW OF PLANS TO DEMOLISH AN EXISTING DETACH GARAGE AND TO CONSTRUCT A STUDIO WITH AN ATTACHED CARPORT.
UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVE THIS TE TAYLOR, COULD YOU GO AHEAD AND AND READ IT IN TO THE RECORD? OH, I'M SO SORRY GUYS.
THAT'S REALLY ALL WE NEED, UM, UNLESS THERE'S QUESTIONS.
ITEM CR 8 2 6 3 1 5 0 A LOCATED AT 2 1 9 NORTH ED AVENUE COUNCIL, DISTRICT ONE, WINKA HEIGHTS, HISTORIC DISTRICT COA NUMBER 2 6 0 0 0 4 9 4.
DO YOU WANT ME TO READ THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AGAIN? OKAY.
SO THE REQUEST IS A COURTESY REVIEW TO CONSTRUCT A DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITH A CARPORT.
IS THAT IT? STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS
SECTION 51 P DASH 87 DASH ONE 11 A ONE CITY CODE AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4 5 0 1 SUBSECTION EIGHT, OR H EXCUSE ME, SUBSECTION FOUR NA AND OR THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
TASK FORCE IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE WORK WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT AN ENGINEER'S REPORT BE PROVIDED OR TO PROVE IT WAS BUILT AFTER THE PERIOD OF, OF SIGNIFICANCE FOR WINNETKA HEIGHTS, AS WELL AS TO PROVIDE A MATERIALS LIST AND PAINT COLORS.
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I JUST WANTED TO REALLY QUICKLY, UM, EXPLAIN IN CASE ANYBODY IS CONFUSED.YOU'VE GOT TWO, TWO ITEMS THAT, THAT ARE, THAT ARE AT THE SAME ADDRESS.
UM, OR IS THAT THIS ONE OR? YES, THESE ARE BOTH AT THE SAME ADDRESS.
SO WE ARE REVIEWING THE, UM, PROPOSED PLAN FIRST.
AND SO I WANTED TO EXPLAIN THAT BECAUSE THE STANDARD FOR DEMOLITION IN THE NEXT CASE IS REPLACEMENT WITH SOMETHING THAT IS MORE COMPATIBLE.
WE DO THEM ALMOST KIND OF BACKWARDS SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT IS SUPPOSEDLY MORE, MORE COMPATIBLE.
BEFORE YOU LOOK AT THE DEMO, JUST 'CAUSE WE ALWAYS DO ALRIGHT.
AND IT'S HERE TO SPEAK ON WOW.
IS MR. FRED PENA WHO LOOKS A LITTLE RESIGNED
UH, MY OFFICE IS AT 1218 WEST DAVIS IN DALLAS, TEXAS, AND I AM THE ARCHITECT FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, JUST THE LITTLE, UM, BIT OF BACKGROUND, THE HOMEOWNERS APPROACHED ME ABOUT, UM, POTENTIALLY, UH, REMODELING OR REPLACING THE GARAGE.
WHAT THEY WANT TO CONVERT THE LITTLE EXISTING GARAGE INTO A, A HOME GYM SLASH CABANA FOR THE POOL.
SO THE GYM WILL HAVE A LITTLE, UH, BATHROOM AND THAT WILL BE USED AND IT, IT'S LIKE A CONVENIENCE BATHROOM FOR THE, FOR THE POOL AREA.
UH, SO INITIALLY BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ON TASK FORCE FOR SO LONG, I'M NOT USUALLY IN FAVOR OF TEARING DOWN GARAGES, UM, JUST TO REPLACE THEM WITH SOMETHING.
AND SO, UH, UM, I WAS GOING TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO, TO DO A RENOVATION AND CONVERT IT.
BUT AS WE GOT INTO IT AND MEASURING, I REALIZED THAT THIS WAS PROBABLY BUILT IN THE FIFTIES.
UM, JUST KIND OF THE METHODS OF, UH, CONSTRUCTION THAT I SAW INSTEAD OF, UH, UM, SLATS FOR THE, UH, ROOF, UH, DECKING.
UH, IT'S GOT ACTUAL DECKING AND THERE'S, UH, SHEETS OF PLYWOOD IN, IN THE WALL, SO, SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE YOUR TYPICAL, UM, TWENTIES OR EVEN THIRTIES, UH, CONSTRUCTION.
I, UM, PULLED UP THE SANDBORN MAP AND IT SHOWS A STRUCTURE IN THE VERY CORNER ON THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE EXISTING GARAGE IS SET BACK, UH, UH, THREE FEET FROM THE ALLEY AND I THINK FIVE FEET IN THE OTHER, UH, DIRECTION.
SO THAT TELLS ME THAT IT IS A REPLACEMENT.
I JUST HAVE NOT, UM, BEEN ABLE TO, TO FULLY VERIFY, UM, SINCE I SUBMITTED THIS LITTLE SIDE NOTE, I HAD A FIRE AT MY OWN HOUSE OVER IN LAKE CLIFF AND I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH ALL SORTS OF STUFF.
UM, SO THE OTHER THING THAT FACTORS IN IS BECAUSE THEY WANNA DO A HOME GEN, THEY NEED MORE HEIGHT, SO THAT WOULD MEAN TEARING OFF THE ROOF OF THE EXISTING GARAGE ANYWAY AT THAT POINT WE'RE NOW LIKE THE CONTRACTOR'S, LIKE, IT'S JUST GONNA COST MORE TO UH, REBUILD THAT, LIKE TO RENOVATE THAT ONE AND CONVERT IT TO WHAT YOU WANT THAN IT IS TO TEAR IT DOWN AND BUILD IT NEW AND DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
UH, SO, SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
THE THE, BECAUSE THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, SQUARE FOOTAGE BUDGET WITHIN THE, UM, UM, LOT COVERAGE I PROPOSED YOU, YOU WON'T HAVE A GARAGE ANYMORE, SO LET'S, LET'S TRY TO DO A CAR PORT.
IT'S NOT TOTALLY FULL LENGTH, IT'S ABOUT, UH, 16, 17 FEET, BUT IT'S ENOUGH TO PROTECT TWO CARS FROM HAIL DAMAGE.
UH, SO IT'S THE LITTLE, UH, UM, THEY, THEY LIKE THE IDEA.
UM, THEY TOOK VIEWS FROM THE HOUSE AND CAME UP WITH A SIMPLE LITTLE STRUCTURE THAT I THINK IS A LITTLE MORE COMPATIBLE THAN THE EXISTING GARAGE.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE STORY BEHIND IT.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, YOU GOT ONE.
JUST BRIEFLY SPEAKING ON THE, UH, THE CAR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE GARAGE WITH THE SIZE ALONE, I WAS THINKING, WELL, IT'S PROBABLY NOT, BUT THEN I SAW THAT IT WAS, HAD TWO ADDRESSES ON SANBORN AND I SAW THAT IT WAS A LARGER GARAGE.
BUT YOU'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT YOU'RE SAYING NOT JUST THAT THE, THE RAFTERS OR SOME OF THE ROOF MAY HAVE BEEN REPLACED AT SOME TIME, BUT YOU'RE,
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YOU'RE CONFIDENT THAT THE FOOTPRINT HAD BEEN CHANGED SINCE IT WASN'T BASICALLY ON THE PROPERTY LINE.LIKE WE SEE SOME OF THESE, IS THAT WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM? YEAH.
ANYONE ELSE? UH, UH, WILL THE CARS BE INJURING FROM THE ALLEY INTO THE CARPORT? NO, FROM UP ON THE DRIVEWAY, I SEE IT.
UH, AND THE DRIVEWAY WILL REMAIN PRETTY MUCH AS IS.
I THINK THE DESIGN YOU CAME UP WITH IS REALLY GOOD.
I MEAN THE INCORPORATE THE CARPORT INTO THE, THE GARAGE AND PROBABLY SOMEWHAT OF A COOL CABANA KIND OF A THING.
I THINK IT'S REALLY VERY WELL DONE.
ARE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT JUST THE MERITS OF THE GARAGE AND THEN TALK ABOUT THE DEMOLITION LATER? OR ARE WE COMBINING THEM AT THIS POINT? I THINK WE COULD TALK ABOUT THEM TOGETHER BECAUSE IT'S A COURTESY REVIEW SO WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE A MOTION.
WELL LEMME DO I NEED TO READ IN THE DEMO THOUGH? WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND DO THAT AND THAT WAY.
YEAH, IT IS COURTESY REVIEW, SO THERE'LL BE NO MOTION, BUT AT LEAST IT'S IN THE RECORD.
IS THE WIDTH CHANGED ON YOUR DRIVEWAY THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING OR IS IT JUST USING THE SAME DRIVEWAY? IT'S USING THE SAME DRIVEWAY AND THE BU THE BUILDING IS A SLIGHTLY NARROWER SO THAT I CAN USE THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE TO ELONGATE IT A LITTLE BIT, UM, TO PROVIDE THAT DEPTH IN THE, IN THE CARPORT.
NOW WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE NINE BEING, BEING RIGHT IN.
ITEM C 9 2 6 DASH 3 1 5 3 A LOCATED AT 2 1 9 NORTH WILLED AVENUE COUNCIL DISTRICT ONE AND WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT COA 2 6 0 0 0 4 9 4.
IT IS A COURTESY REVIEW FOR A DEMOLITION OR REMOVAL OF AN EXISTING DETACHED GARAGE.
THE STANDARD IS THAT WE ARE USING IS REPLACEMENT WITH A NEW STRUCTURE THAT IS MORE APPROPRIATE AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION REQUIRED THAT THE REQUEST TO DEMOLISH AN EXISTING DETACHED GARAGE AGAIN USING THE STANDARD REPLACEMENT WITH A NEW STRUCTURE THAT IS MORE APPROPRIATE AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT ONCE THE COMPLETE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED, THE PROPOSED WORK COULD BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT AND NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT UNDER PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87 DASH ONE 11 SUBSECTION A SUBSECTION ONE AND CITY CODE 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBSECTION C, OR EXCUSE ME, H SUBSECTION FOUR SUBSECTION A AND OR THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
TASK FORCE IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE WORK WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT AN, THAT AN ENGINEER'S REPORT BE PROVIDED OR PROVE IT WAS BUILT AFTER THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANT FOR AND HEIGHTS AS WELL AS TO PROVIDE MATERIALS LIST AND PAINT COLOR.
HOPEFULLY REMEMBER WHERE WE WERE.
YEAH, I'LL CONTINUE ON THE DEMOLITION.
UM, THEY'RE USING A STANDARD JUST USED VERY INFREQUENTLY, WHICH IS THAT THE STRUCTURE REPLACING THE ONE IS BETTER THAN THE ONE THAT'S THERE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WE DON'T REALLY NECESSARILY NEED TO KNOW THAT IT IS NOT HISTORIC.
WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO KNOW EVEN THE YEAR IT WAS BUILT.
WHAT WE NEED TO SAY IS THAT THE BUILDING THAT'S THERE, WHICH TO ME LOOKS LIKE IT'S A 1950S BILLING, NOT ON THE SAME FOUNDATION AS THE OTHER ONE IS INFERIOR TO WHAT HE WANTS TO PUT THERE.
IF YOU WANTED TO GO THE OTHER ROUTE AND SAY THAT IT IS, UH, NON CONTRIBUTING 'CAUSE OF AGE, THEN HE WOULD NEED TO COME TO US WITH MORE INFORMATION TO SAY THAT BILLING IS BILL IN 1950.
BUT I THINK MOST OF US CAN LOOK AT THAT AND SAY THAT THAT WAS NOT A 19 10, 19 15 CRAFTSMAN GARAGE, THAT IT PROBABLY WAS A 1950S BUILDING.
AND I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH IT BEING DEMOLISHED BECAUSE OF AGE OR DEMOLISHED BECAUSE THE NEW BUILDING IS BETTER THAN THE ONE THAT'S THERE.
SO I THINK HE'S ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, SOUNDS GOOD FOR YOU MR. PENA.
I HOPE YOU ARE PLEASED AND WE'LL GO AND RELATE TO THE OWNERS AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO YOU COMING BACK WITH YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WITH THAT.
I HOPE NOTHING BURNED UP IMPORTANT LIKE ALL YOUR PLANS.
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CHRISTINA PRESS ON BEHALF OF STAFF D TEN SEVEN HUNDRED NORTH BEACON STREET, COA 26 0 0 0 4 2 7 JUNIORS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE TWO LARGE EXISTING ALUMINUM WOOD WINDOWS WITH THREE ALL WOOD GANGED WINDOWS ON THE CORNER SIDE FACADE AND THREE VINYL GANGED WINDOWS ON THE REAR FACADE.IN THE CONFIGURATION MATCHING FRONT FACADE WINDOWS STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE TWO LARGE EXISTING ALUMINUM WOOD WINDOWS WITH THREE ALL WOOD GANG WINDOWS ON THE CORNER SIDE FACADE AND THREE VINYL GANG WINDOWS ON THE REAR FACADE.
IN THE CONFIGURATION MATCHING FRONT FACADE WINDOWS BE APPROVED WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT WOOD WINDOWS ON THE SIDE FACADE ARE MORE APPROPRIATE THAN THE EXISTING EXISTING ALUMINUM AND THAT THE PROPOSED REAR VINYL WINDOWS ARE ON THE REAR NOT PROTECTED FACADE AND THAT THE REAR FENCE WILL SHIELD THE WINDOWS FROM THE PUBLIC VIEW.
CONSIDERING THIS FINDING, EXCUSE ME, THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 4.1, CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND OR THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE TWO ALUMINUM WOOD WINDOWS WITH AN ALL CLAD CASEMENT WINDOW AND THE SAME DIMENSIONS AS EXISTING ALUMINUM WINDOWS BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE WINDOWS ARE ALL WOOD, HISTORIC SASH WINDOWS WITH DIVIDED LIGHTS ON TOP FOR SECTION 5.2.
AND WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM.
I BELIEVE I SEE MS. DOWDY ONLINE.
HELLO? DID, CAN YOU TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE OR IS IT NOW IT'S NOT COMING THROUGH.
I COULD READ LIPS, I'D KNOW WHAT YOU SAID, BUT I ASSUME THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE YOUR MICROPHONE WORK AND IT'S THERE SOMEWHERE PROBABLY AT THE BOTTOM.
I KNOW IT WORKS BECAUSE SHE USED IT AT TASK FORCE.
SO I KNOW THAT HER COMPUTER WORKS
I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S STILL NOT WORKING.
WE, WE SHOW YOU'RE NOT MUTED, BUT WHAT, WELL, SO MAYBE UNMUTING NOW WE'LL GET IT TO WHERE WE NEEDED.
NO, IT'S STILL NOT COULD SHE CALL ME AND I PUT HER ON SPEAKER PHONE? YEAH.
WHILE WE'RE SEEING HER ON THE CAMERA? YEAH.
HAVE HAVE HER CALL YOU CHRISTINA AND YOU CAN HOLD YOUR PHONE UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
CAN YOU CALL ME JUST AN EFFORT TO SAVE TIME
THIS LOOKS, THE COMPUTERS ARE NOT OUR FRIENDS TODAY.
HERE, MAYBE I CAN, LET ME SEE IF I CAN CALL HER IF IT'S FASTER.
OH, IS THIS, SEE THAT? HELLO? YES.
I'M GONNA PUT YOU ON SPEAKERPHONE.
LET'S TEST FOR, CAN WE TEST IT? YES.
JUST TURN YOUR SOUND OFF BECAUSE YOU'LL BE HERE HEARING US BOTH.
SHE SHOULD, IF IT'S ON SPEAKER PHONE AND YOU'RE SPEAKING INTO THE SPEAKER.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET IT OFF THE SPEAKER.
SHE, IF SHE, IF SHE CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT THOUGH.
CAN, CAN WE MUTE HER? OH, IT JUST HUNG
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UP.SHE HUNG, SHE MIGHT HAVE ACCIDENTALLY DONE IT.
I'M GONNA PUT YOU BACK ON SPEAKER.
ALRIGHT MA'AM, UM, I NEED YOU TO BEGIN BY SAYING YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND PROMISING TO TELL THE TRUTH.
MY ADDRESS IS 700 NORTH BEACON, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 4.
AND I AFFIRM THAT I WILL BE VERY TRUTHFUL ABOUT THIS.
ALRIGHT MA'AM, SO WHAT DO YOU NEED TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT? OH, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
UM, I STARTED THIS INVESTIGATIONS MONTHS AGO.
UM, I CONSULTED WITH TWO MEMBERS OF THE TASK FORCE THAT LIVED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BOTH OF WHICH SAID TO ME THAT JUST 15%, THE BACK 50% WAS NOT PROTECTED FROM THE POSSIBILITY OF USING A VINYL WINDOW.
SO WHEN I FIRST WROTE MY PROPOSAL, I PROPOSED CASEMENT WINDOWS, UH, THE TWO TO REPLACE THESE WITH VINYL.
BUT AFTER TALKING TO THE TASK FORCE AND WITH CHRISTINA TO DO WOOD ON THE SIDE, THAT EXPOSED TO JUNIOR STREET SEEMS VERY APPROPRIATE.
AND UH, SO WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
I FEEL LIKE IN THE BACK WE, THAT WE'LL HAVE A MATCHING APPEARANCE TO THE OTHER SIDE, BUT WE WILL HAVE TO FINISH TO COMPLETELY COVER THIS.
SO I FEEL LIKE THAT WE CAN DO THE FINAL, THAT IT FALLS WITHIN THE GUIDELINES THAT HAVE BEEN REPEATED TO ME BY NUMEROUS, UH, PEOPLE AND, AND, UH, GUIDELINES.
SO I FEEL THAT WE CAN PRESERVE THE HOUSE AND THOSE WINDOWS.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN THOSE HUGE WINDOWS WERE PUT IN THAT HOUSE, BUT IT WASN'T IN 1910.
NO, I THINK THE GREEN WAS ADDED ON.
I THINK THOSE ALUMINUM WINDOWS MIGHT HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE THE FIFTIES.
UH, MAYBE THE TWO BACK ONES MORE LATER BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT THAT, UH, THE LITTLE DAMAGED WINDOWS.
BUT WE FEEL, UH, WE'RE DEDICATED TO PRESERVATION AND WE FEEL THAT WE, UH, OH, WE'VE SPOKEN A CASE OF WINDOWS, BUT THE ARCHITECT IN OUR GROUP SUGGESTED YOU SHOULD USE THE STAFF WINDOWS AND SO WE CHANGED OUR PROPOSAL TO DO THE, A SINGLE SET WINDOW TO GO WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
YEAH, I, I I REALLY JUST HAVE A A DEFINITION QUESTION.
UM, BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE DOES SAY THAT FRONT FACADES AND FRONT 50% ARE PROTECTED.
UM, BUT THEN LATER ON IT SAYS NO VINYL WINDOWS OR LUMEN ALLOWED ON THE STRUCTURE.
SO IF YOU, YOU READ THE DEFINED TERM FOR PROTECTIVE FACADE, IT'S TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE FACADE ITSELF.
SO I'M JUST CURIOUS FOR ANY OF THESE CASES, ARE ALUMINUM OR WOOD WINDOWS DISALLOWED BY THE ORDINANCE ANYWHERE ON THE BUILDING OR IS IT ONLY APPLIED TO THE PROTECTIVE FACADE? THIS ONE'S A PARTICULARLY, UM, I MEAN IT'S VERY PARTICULAR TO THIS DISTRICT THAT, THAT IT ONLY HAS THREE PROTECTIVE FACADES.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY A MATTER OF INTERPRETATION AT THIS POINT BECAUSE NORMALLY, I MEAN IF IT WERE ON ANY OF THE OTHER FACADES, WE WOULD SAY ABSOLUTELY NO VINYL.
NO HOW, UM, IN THIS CASE BEING ON AN, UH, AN UNPROTECTED FACADE BEHIND A FENCE, THIS WAS, UM, HONESTLY, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS JUST BASICALLY THAT IT, IT WON'T BE SEEN, IT'S ON AN UNPROTECTED FACADE.
UM, WE JUST DIDN'T FEEL THAT IT WAS, UM,
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WE, HOW DO I PUT IT? I MEAN, COMPARE IT TO OTHER FACADES OR OTHER, UH, APPLICATIONS.THIS ONE IS KIND OF THE LEAST OF OUR WORRIES.
LIKE NORMALLY WE WOULD SAY NO VINYL PERIOD.
WE'VE EVEN SAID NO VINYL ON NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES BECAUSE VINYL DIDN'T EXIST WHEN THESE HOUSES WERE BUILT.
UH, THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES THIS DIFFERENCE IS THAT MAKES THIS DIFFERENT IS THAT IT'S AN UNPROTECTED FACADE BEHIND THE FENCE.
THAT'S THE ONLY, AND SO THAT ELIMINATES ANY EFFECT THAT YOU HAVE UNDER ESTIMATE.
WE WOULD GIVE THAT THE FINDING EFFECT WOULD PROVIDE FOR IF, IF ANYBODY ELSE CAME ALONG AND SAID, WELL, THEY GOT TO DO IT, WHY CAN'T I? UM, WELL OUR, OUR ANSWER WOULD BE, WELL 'CAUSE YOURS IS ON THE SIDE AND NOT ON THE BACK
MR. CUMMINGS, I DON LIKE TO SPEAK UH, JUST VERY QUICKLY ON THE, THE GANG THREE WINDOW ON THE FRONT AND REP AND THAT DESIGN OF WHAT, HOW THAT'S GONNA BE REPLACED? UM, THE, I THINK THE EXISTING RIGHT NOW ON THOSE WINDOWS YOU HAVE THAT AREN'T IN UH, COMPLIANT, I THINK THE WINDOW LIGHTS GOING HORIZONTALLY IS THREE THREE AND THREE AND I THINK THEY'RE EQUAL BAYS.
IS THAT CORRECT? CURRENTLY? CURRENTLY, NO, THEY'RE NOT EQUAL.
I GUESS MAYBE THAT'S THE PROPOSED.
IS 8 8 3 EQUAL BAY THREE THREE AND THREE HORIZONTALLY? YES.
'CAUSE ON THE STREET ON UH, THE NEIGHBORHOODS SEEMS TO HAVE THESE GANG OF THREE WINDOWS, UH, FEATURED THERE.
BUT THERE'S ARE HA UH, ESPECIALLY ADDRESS SEVEN 10 AND SEVEN 14 IS THREE FOUR AND THREE WITH THE CENTER ONE JUST BEING THAT ONE MORE SCOTT, THAT ONE MORE WINDOW LIGHT A LITTLE BIGGER.
SO YOU WOULD BE MATCHING MORE OF A HISTORIC DESIGN THAT IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ACTUALLY ON YOUR STREET TWO HOUSES AWAY.
WHICH, WHICH IS THE ADDRESS? I'LL PULL IT UP SEVEN 10 AND SEVEN 14.
THAT WAY WE'RE ALL ON THE RE RIGHT.
AND I THINK WE SEVEN 10 AND LOOK IN THIS, IT MIGHT BE A, A GOOD SUGGESTION TO KEEP THAT DESIGN, UH, AND BRING THAT KIND IT KIND OF BRING IT BACK.
MORE THAN LIKELY YOU PROBABLY HAD THAT SO YOU CAN SEE IT BEVERLY.
SO IF YOU ZOOM IN TO SEVEN 10 OR SEVEN 14, THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
UH, DO THE SEVEN 14, IS THAT THIS ONE? YEAH.
UH, THAT, YEAH, THAT EITHER ONE GO TO THE RIGHT AGAIN.
RIGHT THERE AT SEVEN 10 IS FINE.
ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE THAT BEVERLY ZOOM IT? YEAH, THERE YOU GO.
AND THE SEVEN 14 IS THE SAME THING.
IT'S UH, NOW THAT ONE'S FIVE IN THE CENTER, I THINK THE SEVEN 14 WAS FOUR IN THE CENTER.
DEPENDING ON WHAT YOUR ROUGH OPENING SIZE WOULD DICTATE, IT WOULD SEEM LIKE YOU COULD, YOU COULD DO SOMETHING OF THE SORT.
WELL ARE WE SAYING THAT YOU WANT HER TO HAVE THE DIVIDED LIGHTS ON THE TOP LIKE DIVIDED OVER ONE FOR THE SIDE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE THE CASE WOULD BE.
AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE WOULD STAFF WOULD LEAN INTO AS WELL OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LEAN AWAY FROM TASKFORCE DID TEST? YEAH, THEY TASK FORCE IS THE ONE THAT SUGGESTED THE GANG WINDOWS TO BEGIN WITH.
UM, BUT FOR THE SIDE, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK, DID THE SIDES USUALLY HAVE DIVIDED LIGHT OVER ONE? SOMETIMES THEY WOULD BE, MAYBE IF THEY WERE WEREN'T UHHUH
SO I'M JUST WONDERING 'CAUSE IT WOULD BE NOWHERE ELSE.
I SEE HER HOUSE HAS THE VINYL ON THE FRONT.
I MEAN THE ALUMINUM ON THE FRONT.
SO THE DIVIDED LIGHTS WOULD BE ALL DIFFERENT.
UM, BUT I THINK WE GENERALLY, IF WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE WHAT THE HOUSE HAD MM-HMM
WE TEND TO, TO AIR TOWARDS THE SIM SIMPLER ONE OVER.
UM, ALSO I, YOU KNOW, I I I THINK THAT WOULD CREATE AN ANOMALY FOR THIS HOUSE.
BUT ALSO ARE WE SURE THAT THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE WOULD HAVE, UM, THE DIVIDED OVER ONE? FOR SURE.
NO, BUT I MEAN ALSO BESIDES THE DIVIDED DIVIDE, I'M TALKING EVEN ABOUT THE, THE SKINNY, WIDER SKINNY CONFIGURATION ON THE SIDE.
IT IS A, WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ON THE SIDE.
I I THAT SEEMS LIKE A FRONT FACING KIND OF THING.
AND THAT, AND WE'RE SEEING THAT ON THOSE TWO EXAMPLES THAT I'M BRINGING UP.
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HOUSE EXACT WINDOW.THIS IS THE ONE, SHE'S MEANING THIS EXACT WINDOW RIGHT HERE.
UM, THAT SHE'S TRYING TO PUT THE THREE GAME THAT THIS ONE PARTICULARLY, BUT THIS IS HER HOUSE BEFORE IT WAS PAINTED.
OH, I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE A OKAY.
YEAH, NO, IT'S JUST, IT'S ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK.
SO WHAT ARE WE DOING AT THE FRONT? NOTHING.
WE'RE ONLY DOING THIS WINDOW AND THEN THE ONE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER WHICH OKAY.
THIS IS NOT GONNA BE THE CURRENT, YOU KNOW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SHE, SHE'S, OH, GO AHEAD AGAIN BEVERLY.
OH, I WAS JUST SAYING SHE WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO EVERYTHING IN WOOD, BUT EVEN THIS ONE CUT OR OPENING IS A $7,000 INVESTMENT THEY JUST CAN'T AFFORD TO DO.
YEAH, WE, WE KNOW THE WOOD ONES ARE VERY EXPENSIVE.
ALRIGHT, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, GO AHEAD.
I HAVE TO KEEP TURNING HER OFF AND ON.
THE ECHO IS REALLY CONFUSING ME.
EVERYTHING IS, UM, IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS THEN I'M LOOKING FOR MOTION FROM SOMEONE ON THIS CASE.
WE'RE DONE WITH COURTESY REVIEWS, WE'RE ACTUALLY DECIDING SOMETHING NOW I HAVE A MOTION.
UM, ON ITEM D 10, UH, CASE NUMBER CO A 2 6 4 2 7, ALSO KNOWN AS 700 NORTH BEACON STREET THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE AS STATED.
SECOND, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER REEVES.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE? THEN I'LL CALL FOR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? NO MOTION? I'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH.
SO DID ANYONE AT HOME ALSO OPPOSE? OKAY, SO IT APPEARS WE HAVE ONLY, WE HAVE A A, THE MOTION WILL CARRY WITH, UM, WITH ONE DISSENTING COMMISSIONER AND I'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU.
AND ONE WHO'S OUT OF THE ROOM AND DIDN'T VOTE.
SO
BUT STILL THE MOTION IS CARRIED.
SO YEAH, SO PROCEED AND PROCEED AND ENJOY YOUR WORK ON YOUR HOUSE.
NEXT STEP JUST SAYS THANK YOU
LET'S HOPE WE CAN GET THE ELECTRONICS TO WORK FROM NOW ON.
TAYLOR MEANS ON BEHALF OF STAFF READING IN ITEM UH, 18 D 18 2 6 SLASH 3 1 62 A, LOCATED AT 39 19 WALDRON AVENUE IN THE QUEEN CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT CA DASH 26 SLASH 0 0 0 4 6 1.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH A DETACHED GARAGE.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH A DETACHED GARAGE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED JUNE 30TH, 2026.
WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE FOUNDATION OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE BPRM BEING FOUNDATION, THAT THE WINDOWS BE ALL ALUMINUM WHITE WINDOWS, THAT THE ROOF HAVE PEWTER GRAY SHINGLES AND THAT THE SIDING BE 1 0 5 SIDING AND THAT THE FRONT DOOR BE AN APPROPRIATE STAIN COLOR TO THAT WILL BE APPROVED BY STAFF IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SECTION G SUBSECTION SIX, SUBSECTION C ROMANT TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND OR THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
THEN I WOULD PREJUDICE DUE TO THE FACT THAT A REPRESENTATIVE IS NOT PRESENT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, I BELIEVE THAT WAS WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
OH, THEY WERE NOT RECOMMENDING WE GET QUITE THAT EXPERIENCE.
UM, ALL RIGHT MR. WILLIAMS, I THINK YOU PROBABLY KNOW THE DRILL.
WE'VE SEEN YOU BEFORE
MY NAME IS TRACY WILLIAMS. ADDRESS IS SEVEN 11 NORTH
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BECKLEY, UH, DALLAS, TEXAS.AND YES, I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
AND MAY I ASK YOU IF THIS THE FIRST ONE THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON IN QUEEN CITY SINCE IT BEGAN THE PROCESS OF HISTORIC DESIGNATION? NO, THIS IS THE THIRD.
'CAUSE I, I KNOW WE'VE SEEN YOU WORK IN OTHER AREAS TOO, BUT QUEEN CITY OF COURSE IS NEW AND DIFFERENT.
GO AHEAD AND TELL US WHAT YOU NEED TO LET US KNOW ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.
UH, YOU'VE ALREADY REVIEWED THE PLANS ARE BEFORE YOU.
UM, WE HAVE CONSTRUCTED, UH, IN THE AREA WITH, UH, SIMILAR MATERIALS AND SIMILAR DESIGN.
SO I'M JUST INTERESTED IN, UH, THE COMMISSION'S, UH, COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER RENO.
UH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, THE UM, PORCH COLUMN DETAIL IS A LITTLE UNUSUAL WITH THE, THE PAIR OF, UM, UH, POSTS ON THE UPPER PORTION OF IT AND THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT A FOUR BUT A TWO.
AND SO THE COLUMNS ARE KIND OF LONG IN ONE DIRECTION, UH, IN FOOT IN PLAN.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? LOOKS ALMOST LIKE AN 11 IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PLAN.
INSTEAD OF SORT, INSTEAD OF BEING SQUARED, I WAS, 'CAUSE I FELT LIKE THAT DETAIL, UNLESS YOU FOUND IT SOMEWHERE ELSE IN QUEEN CITY, WAS A BIT UNUSUAL.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE DESIGN ON THAT ONE? IF IT'S CONSISTENT WITH OUR FIRST TWO PLANS, WE'VE CONSTRUCTED TWO OF THEM ON EUGENE STREET.
UH, ONE THAT WE JUST FINISHED UP THIS YEAR, SO WE WERE JUST KIND OF CARRYING OVER ONE.
YES IT HAS BRICK AND THEN ALSO WOOD JUST FOR A LITTLE PUSH AND PULL OF TEXTURE, BUT THEY LOOK REALLY, REALLY NICE IN QUEEN CITY AS IT STANDS THIS YEAR.
YEAH, I DON'T MIND THE TWO PART.
UH, THAT, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT.
YOU, YOU, YOU DO SEE THAT, UH, QUITE COMMON OF THE DETAIL.
I WAS JUST WONDERING ON THE, SO ON TOP OF THE BRICK YOU'VE GOT TWO POSTS EFFECTIVELY WOODEN POSTS, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT SQUARE, IT'S LIKE TWO.
UM, UM, SO BOARDS NEXT TO EACH OTHER, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
UM, YOU CAN ZOOM IN ON, UH, CHRISTINA HAS THAT ONE YOURS? I'M SORRY.
OH, OR COULD IT BE A DRAWING ERROR THAT WE'RE I DON'T THINK SO.
'CAUSE IT'S DRAWN BOTH AN ELEVATION ON THE SIDE AND ON THE FRONT, JUST LIKE THE PLAN.
SO, UM, I KNOW IT'S A SMALL DETAIL, BUT THANKS FOR BEARING WITH US.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THAT UH, IT'S NOT IT ERROR COMPARED TO OUR FIRST TWO BUILDS.
THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD CORRECT AND OKAY.
IT, IT'LL BE THE SAME AS OUR FIRST TWO BUILDS.
SO THEY WERE JUST A PLAIN SQUARING PLAN, WOULDN'T CALL 'EM COMING UP FROM THE BRICK? ABSOLUTELY.
THE, THE NORMAL WAY THAT YES, THEY ALL ARE OKAY.
I I JUST NEED A CLARIFICATION.
SO IT'S A SQUARE BOX COLUMN? YES.
UM, AND NOT, NOT TWO, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO IT'S ONE BIG SQUARE COLUMN.
IS IT, IT LOOKS LIKE TWO COLUMNS AND IN, IN THAT STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TWO COLUMNS INSTEAD OF ONE BIG FAT ONE.
WE ABSOLUTELY WANT JUST ONE COLUMN PER SIDE.
DOES THAT NEED TO BE REDRAWN OR I GUESS WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE MAKE THE MOTION.
WE CAN ALWAYS ADD IT TO THE CONDITIONS THAT AS A CLARIFICATION.
BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS IF THIS WENT TO BUILDING INSPECTION LIKE THIS, THEY MAY NOT KNOW WHAT IT SUPPOSED TO BE WHEN, WHEN BUILD IT, THERE MIGHT BE A PROBLEM.
AND, AND, AND IF WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE DRAWING WAS NEVER THE INTENTION, I'M SURE THAT MR. WILLIAMS WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE DRAWINGS ACCURATELY REFLECT HIS PLANS BY THE TIME SHE GO TO BUILDING INSPECTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR A MOTION? YES MA'AM.
COMMISSIONER KY, ARE YOU PREPARED TO COMMIT TO WHAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WERE WITH RESPECT TO HEARING BEAM? YES.
AND DID THE, THE STAFF HAVE A HEIGHT ON THAT? SAY, IS THERE A FOUNDATION HEIGHT, THE 18 INCH CRAWL SPACE TO MATCH THE QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT? OKAY.
YOU CAN ADD THAT INTO YOUR CONDITION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, YEAH, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE EVE DETAIL.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MODEL, IT'S SHOWN AS OPEN RAFTERS, BUT THEN IT ALSO HAS A FASCIA BOARD ACROSS IT.
UM, USUALLY THE, UM, THE RAFTERS WOULD BE EXPOSED AND THE, UM,
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THE, THE FASCIA IS REALLY EITHER A GUTTER 'CAUSE YOU'RE SHOWING DOWNSPOUTS.UM, JUST THE, THE MODEL'S A LITTLE, UH, UH, WHAT AM I TRYING TO THINK? THERE'S A FEW MISTAKES ON IT.
I GUESS THAT'S THE EASIEST WAY.
UM, SO FOR INSTANCE, IF ON THE MODEL, LET'S SEE, IT'S RIGHT AFTER THE ELEVATIONS.
IT'S IN THIS, IN THE DOCKET, IT'S PAGE 16.
I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THE DETAILS PROPERLY.
SEE HOW THE NORMAL, SO YOU'VE GOT EXPOSED DRAFTER TAILS, BUT THEN THERE'S A FASCIA BOARD ON THE FACE OF IT, AND THEN THE DOWNSPOUT ACTUALLY HITS THE RAKE INSTEAD OF THE, THE BOTTOM OF THE SLOPE.
UM, SO IF IT'S JUST THE RAPTOR TAILS AND THEN A GUTTER OUT THERE, THAT, THAT'S FINE.
I MEAN, IF THAT'S THE INTENTION.
SO YOU'RE SAYING WE COULD REMOVE THE FIX BULLET? YEAH.
WELL, YEAH, YOU'LL 'CAUSE YOU'LL ATTACH THE GUTTER ON ON THE OKAY.
ALRIGHT, THAT IS ALL THE QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS.
UM, WITH THE COMMISSION, WHY THE CHANGE TO THE PUR BEAM? WHAT, UH, IT'S MORE ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT IT LOOKS, IT HAS THE SAME ELEVATION OFF THE GROUND THAN THE OTHER HOUSES DO INSTEAD OF BEING ON A SLAB MAKES IT SHORT.
WERE THOSE MISSED AND THE OTHER ONES THAT YOU YEAH, WE, WE, WE WERE APPROVED ON ONE SLOT, UH, AND WE, WE SHOULD BE CONSISTENT.
I MUST SAY THAT THE, THE NEW CONSTRUCTIONS IN QUEEN CITY HAVE BEEN COMING IN RATHER RAPIDLY AND WE MAY HAVE NOT ALWAYS GOTTEN ALL THE DETAILS ON EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM, THOUGH IT IS OUR INTENTION TO TRY TO MAKE ALL OF THEM EQUAL THE SPIRIT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND OF THOSE, THE ERA THAT THEY WERE BUILDING THERE, THE HOUSES TEND TO BE RAISED UP AND NOT BE ON THE GROUND.
SO IT LOOKS FUNNY IF THEY'RE ON THE GROUND THOUGH.
QUICK QUESTION ON YOUR OTHER TWO.
IF, IF YOU WERE APPROVED FOR A SLAB, WAS THERE A CONDITION THAT IT'D BE 18 INCHES, CORRECT? IT WAS RAISED THAT'S BEEN APPROVED FOR A SLAB? YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY ASKING WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE PURE AND BEAM? YOU'LL MAKE IT 18 INCHES.
SO IF ANYONE HAS MOTION, THEY WANNA CONSIDER THAT.
COMMISSIONER RENELL, I HAVE A MOTION, UM, REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM 18, UH, CASE NUMBER COA 2 6 4 6 2, ALSO KNOWN AS 39, UH, 19 WALDRON AVENUE THAT WE FOLLOW OR THAT WE APPROVE, UM, FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH, WITH, SORRY, WITH THE CONDITIONS EXCEPT, UM, ON THE FOUNDATION THAT IT CAN BE SLAB ON GRADE AS LONG AS IT'S 18 INCH INCHES.
THE FINISHED FLOOR IS 18 INCHES ABOVE NATURAL GRADE, UM, THAT THE RAPTOR TAILS ARE EXPOSED AND A GUTTER CAN BE APPLIED TO THAT SURFACE.
AND ONE MORE, UM, CONDITION IS THAT THE COLUMNS BE BOXED COLUMNS ON THE, THE, THE TWO PART COLUMN.
SECOND AND OUR SECOND IS COMMISSIONER HARPER.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION THAT I CALL FOR A VOTE ON THIS ONE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
IT APPEARS THE MOTION HAS CARRIED.
SO OFF YOU GO TO BUILD ANOTHER LOVELY HOUSE IN QUEEN CITY.
OKAY, LEMME GET A DRINK RIGHT QUICK.
CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF D 14.
ADDRESS IS 46 16 GASTON AVENUE, PEAK SUBURBAN DISTRICT, PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION, HISTORIC DISTRICT COA 26 0 0 0 4 9 2.
REQUEST NUMBER ONE OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ALL WINDOWS WITH ALL WOOD.
ONE OVER WOOD WINDOWS IN THE SAME DIMENSIONS AS ORIGINAL WINDOWS.
REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
REQUEST NUMBER THREE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ENCLOSE THE FRONT PORCH.
REQUEST NUMBER FOUR, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE APPROPRIATENESS TO PLACE A SECOND FRONT DOOR AND AWNING WITH NEW WOOD WINDOW REQUEST NUMBER FIVE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXISTING, EXCUSE ME, ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLED ROOF ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE WITH DA VINCI COMPOSITE
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SLATE ROOFING IN THE COLOR MAT BLACK REQUEST NUMBER SIX, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A NINE FOOT BOARD ON BOARD.NUMBER SEVEN, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW LANDSCAPING IN FRONT, REAR AND SIDE YARDS.
NUMBER EIGHT, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CHANGE PINK COLOR ON MAIN STRUCTURE, WOOD PANELING AND SHINGLE SIDING ON GABLES.
ENCLOSED FRONT BALCONY WILL BE BENJAMIN MOORE WROUGHT IRON TRIM, FACIA AND STRUCTURAL FRAMING WILL BE BENJAMIN MOORE BLACK AND WINDOWS AND EXTERIOR DOORS WILL BE ARCHITECTURAL BLACK STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ALL WINDOWS WITH ALL WOOD ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS IN THE SAME DIMENSIONS AS ORIGINAL WINDOWS B APPROVED WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT A, THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE MATCH THE SAME TOP PREMIER STYLE CONFIGURATION AS THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS B.
ALL SIDE AND REAR WINDOWS ARE A ONE OVER ONE CONFIGURATION C.
ANY BRICK AND MORTAR AND OR MORTAR REMOVED DURING REPLACEMENT IS REINSTALLED AND RESTORED TO ITS ORIGINAL PLACEMENT CONFIGURATION.
CONSISTENCY, TOOLING AND COLOR IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROPOSED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION THREE 10, CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND OR THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR GUIDELINES FOR REHABILITATION.
NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE APPLICATION IS INCOMPLETE AND LACKS COMPLETE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS AND DRAWINGS.
NUMBER THREE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ENCLOSED FRONT PORCH BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE FINDING THE FACT THAT THE ENCLOSED PORCHES ARE NOT PERMITTED ON PROTECTED FACADES AND SUBMITTED ARCHITECTURAL PLANS AND DRAWINGS ARE INCOMPLETE.
THEREFORE, THE PROPOSED WORK WILL HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE STRUCTURE AND IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 3.19, CITY CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND OR THE SEC SECRETARY OF INTERIOR GUIDELINES FOR REHABILITATION.
NUMBER FOUR, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE SECOND FRONT DOOR AND AWNING WITH NEW WOOD WINDOW BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE STRUCTURE WAS BUILT AS A DUPLEX AND THE SECOND DOOR AND AWNING ARE ORIGINAL TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE, THE PROPOSED WORK WOULD THEREFORE HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE STRUCTURE AND IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION THREE 10 AND THREE 19 CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND OR THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR GUIDELINES FOR REHABILITATION.
NUMBER FIVE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXISTING ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLED ROOF ON MAIN STRUCTURE WITH DA VINCI COMPOSITE SLATE ROOFING IN THE COLOR MATTE BLACK BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE PROPOSED MATERIAL AND COLOR ARE NOT ORIGINAL OR APPROPRIATE TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE STRUCTURE AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THEREFORE, THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION THREE 16 AND THREE 17 CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I CONTRIBUTED STRUCTURES AND OR THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR GUIDELINES FOR REHABILITATION.
NUMBER SIX, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW NINE FOOT BOARD ON BOARD WOOD FENCE BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE FENCE PORTIONS FACING.
GASTON ABB V 70% OPEN AND DESIGNED, SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR APPROVAL.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROPOSED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION TWO 11, CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND OR SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARD GUIDELINES FOR SETTINGS.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NOT YET.
WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE PROPOSED TREES AND BAMBOO ARE NOT APPROPRIATE OR TYPICAL TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WILL HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE PROPERTY AND HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS THEREFORE NOT CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 2.6, CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND OR THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR GUIDELINES FOR SETTING NUMBER EIGHT, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CHANGE PAINT COLOR ON MAIN STRUCTURE WOOD PANELING AND SHINGLE SIDING AT GABLES AND SECOND FLOOR ENC CLOSED FRONT
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BALCONY, B BENJAMIN MOORE, ROD IRON TRIM F UP AND STRUCTURAL FRAMING.BENJAMIN MOORE, BLACK AND WINDOWS AND EXTERIOR DOORS ARCHITECTURAL BLACK BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE PAINT COLORS DO NOT COMPLY WITH THE MUNSELL COLLAR CHART.
THEREFORE, THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 3.7, CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND OR THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR GUIDELINES FOR REHABILITATION.
NOW TASK FORCE
RIGHT, I HAVE MY BIFOCALS READY,
NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ALL WINDOWS WITH ALL WOOD.
ONE OVER WINDOWS IN THE SAME DIMENSIONS AS ORIGINAL WINDOWS BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
REPLACEMENT WINDOWS MUST BE THE EXACT SIZE AS THE EXISTING WINDOWS.
WINDOWS MUST BE ONE OVER ONE CONFIGURATION.
REPLACEMENT WINDOWS MUST BE IN THE SAME LOCATIONS AS THE EXISTING WINDOWS.
WINDOWS MUST BE WOOD ON WOOD AND NOT ALUMINUM FLAT.
ANY BRICK WORK NECESSARY TO SQUARE THE ROUGH OPENINGS MUST USE EXISTING BRICK AND MUST NOT ALTER THE DIMENSIONS OF THE EXISTING ROUGH OPENINGS OR THE APPROVED WINDOW SIZES.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION ON MAIN STRUCTURE BE PLATE GLASS WINDOWS FIRST FLOOR APPROVED AS SUBMITTED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE WINDOW FRAMES BE WOOD ON WOOD AND NOT ALUMINUM.
PLAT PIVOT DOORS, CENTER WINDOWS FIRST FLOOR APPROVED AS SUBMITTED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE WINDOW FRAMES BE WOOD ON WOOD AND NOT ALUMINUM.
PLAT SECOND FLOOR BALCONY DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE NO DIMENSIONS WERE PROVIDED, NO MATERIAL SUBMITTED.
PLATE GLASS WINDOWS DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE PLATE GLASS WINDOWS ARE NOT APPROPRIATE TO THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE.
THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDS GANG WINDOWS SIMILAR AND CONFIGURATION TO THE OTHER GANG WINDOWS ON THE HOUSE USING THE SUBMITTED WINDOW DIMENSIONS OF THE LARGER ORIGINAL WINDOWS.
WINDOW ALIGNMENT TASK FORCE ENCOURAGES ALIGNMENT OF THE FIRST AND SECOND STORY WINDOWS ON THE REAR HALF OF THE FACADE TO REINFORCE THE ARCHITECTURAL RHYTHM AND PROPORTIONS OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER THREE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ENCLOSE FRONT PORCH AND FACADE.
B ENCLOSURE OF FRONT PORCH FIRST FLOOR, DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
FRONT PORCHES ARE DEFINING ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ARE PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT TO THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF PRAIRIE STYLE HOUSEHOLDS.
THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDS RETAINING THE OPEN FRONT PORCH CONFIGURATION FRONT DOOR ENTRANCES DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION OF THE ORIGINAL FRONT DOOR AND DOUBLE TRAIN.
SOME WINDOWS SHOULD BE RETRAINED UNLESS THE APPLICANT CAN PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION DEMONSTRATING THAT THIS IS NOT THE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION.
FREEZE BOARD AND APRON BOARD SECOND FLOOR PORCH.
THE FREEZE BOARD AND APRON BOARD SURROUNDING THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE PORCH MUST BE SHOWN IN DIMENSION DIMENSIONIZE ON THE PLANS AND MUST RETAIN THE SAME DIMENSIONS AS THE EXISTING ELEMENTS.
THE TASK FORCE ENCOURAGES THE APPLICANT TO RESTORE THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE PORCH FOR ITS ORIGINAL OPEN CONFIGURATION.
RATHER THAN ENCLOSING IT SITING SIDING CEDAR SHAKES, THE PLANS MUST CLEARLY IDENTIFY ALL LOCATIONS ON EACH FACADE.
WHERE SIDING OR CEDAR SHAKES ARE PROPOSED TO BE ADDED, REPLACED, OR MODIFIED FRONT DOOR HARDWARE DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE THE PROPOSED HARDWARE IS TOO MODERN IN APPEARANCE, ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORICAL CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE.
MORE HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE HARDWARE SHOULD BE SUBMITTED.
LIGHTING, DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE THE PROPOSED LIGHT FIXTURES ARE TOO MODERN AND APPEARANCE ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE.
HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE FIXTURES SHOULD BE SUBMITTED.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER NUMBER FOUR, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE SECOND FRONT DOOR AND AWNING WITH NEW WINDOW BE REMOVAL
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OF ACCESSORY DOOR REPLACEMENT WINDOW, LEFT SIDE OF FACADE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.SUBPART A, THE REPLACEMENT WINDOW MUST BE THE SAME DIMENSIONS AS THE WINDOW DIRECTLY ABOVE IT.
SUBPART B THE WINDOW MUST BE WOOD ON WOOD AND NOT ALUMINUM FLAT.
SUBPART C THE WINDOW MUST BE A ONE OVER ONE CONFIGURATION AWNING OVER ACCESSORY DOOR.
THE AWNING OVER THE ACCESSORY DOOR MUST BE REMOVED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE DOOR.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FIVE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXISTING ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLED ROOF ON MAIN STRUCTURE WITH DA VINCI COMPOSITE SLATE ROOFING AND THE COLOR MATTE BLACK B EXISTING GABLES, EXISTING GABLES AND THEIR ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING MUST REMAIN INTACT.
IF DETERIORATION OR ROT REQUIRES REPLACEMENT, THE GABLES MUST BE REBUILT TO MATCH THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION IN DETAIL EXACTLY ROOF PITCH AND OVERHANG THE EXISTING ROOF PITCH AND 24 INCH OVERHANG MUST BE RETAINED.
ROOF SHINGLES DA VINCI SLATE THE PROVE USE OF DAVINCI SLATES SHINGLES DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE THE PROPOSED MATTE BLACK COLOR.
AS IT IS NOT TYPICAL OF THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT, A COLOR MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT SHOULD BE SUBMITTED.
CAST RECOMMENDATION NUMBER SIX, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW LANDSCAPING IN FRONT, REAR AND SIDE YARDS BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION SEVEN, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CHANGE PAINT COLORS ON MAIN STRUCTURE WOULD PANELING AND SHINGLE SIDING AT GABLES AND SECOND FLOOR.
ENCLOSED FRONT BALCONY BENJAMIN MOORE WROUGHT IRON TRIM FASCIA AND STRUCTURAL CRAMMING BENJAMIN MOORE BLACK AND WINDOWS AND EXTERIOR COLORS ARCHITECTURAL BLACK.
THE PAINT COLORS DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE THE PROPOSED PAINT COLORS DO NOT FALL WITHIN THE APPROVED MONTHS SOLD COLOR SCALE.
THE APPLICANT SHOULD SUBMIT REVISED COLORS THAT COMPLY WITH THE APPLICABLE APPROVED OLE SCALE.
AND WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER HERE FOR THIS, UH, RYAN MCNEE.
COULD YOU BEGIN BY TELLING US YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOUR AFFIRMATION THAT YOU WILL TELL THE TRUTH? MY NAME IS RYAN MCNEE.
MY ADDRESS IS 1 5 3 NORTH WATERFORD OAKS DRIVE IN CEDAR HILL AND I PLAN TO TELL THE TRUTH.
UM, DID YOU HAPPEN TO LISTEN TO OUR BRIEFING EARLIER ONLINE OR ANYTHING THIS MORNING? I DON'T BELIEVE SO, NO.
WELL, I I'LL LET YOU KNOW THAT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR PROJECT BEFORE US ON THIS VERY BEAUTIFUL HOUSE.
I LIVE NEAR IT AND IT, IT IS A GREAT HOUSE.
UM, AND WE'RE THRILLED THAT YOU COULD COME IN AND TALK TO US ABOUT IT BECAUSE YOUR PROJECT IS, IT'S VERY COMPLICATED.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF REQUESTS AND WE HAD A LOT OF CONCERNS.
SO WE NEED TO HAVE A GOOD DIALOGUE WHERE WE LET YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR CONCERNS MIGHT BE ABOUT SOME OF WHAT YOU'VE PLANNED OUR BASIS FOR THAT IS WE WOULD LOVE IT FOR THIS HOUSE TO LOOK AS MUCH LIKE IT DID WHEN IT WAS NEW AS IT COULD.
WE, I'D ASK YOU TO TAKE IT BACK TO THAT, BUT CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE OVER THE YEARS, PARTICULARLY THE ENCLOSING OF THE UPPER PART OF THE PORCH, WHICH IF THEY QUALIFY FOR GRANDFATHERING THEY CAN CERTAINLY STAY, BUT WE WISH THEY HADN'T HAPPENED AND SO, 'CAUSE IT MAKES IT LOOK LESS HISTORIC, LESS PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE DON'T, WE WOULD LIKE IT TO BE UPDATED TO SORT OF MODERN NEEDS WITHOUT ADDING ANY MORE ASPECTS THAT ARE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S OUR JOB IS TO TRY TO KEEP IT CONTRIBUTING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WE ALSO HAVE A FEW CONCERNS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ARCHITE YOU'RE WORKING WITH, BUT YOU DO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THE KIND OF PLANS THEY WILL HAVE TO SUBMIT IN ORDER FOR YOU TO EVER GET A BUILDING PERMIT FOR THIS.
IT'S NOT JUST US, IT'S ON DOWN THE LINE.
SO, UM, THERE'S EVEN A SPELLING ERROR ERROR.
THEY SPELLED PLAN WRONG, THEY SPELLED IT PLAN.
SO IF IF THIS SERVICE OR PEOPLE THAT YOU'VE HIRED ARE NOT GOING TO SERVE YOU WELL, I DID WANNA GIVE YOU A HEADS UP ABOUT THAT.
I AM JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN MOVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
YOU'VE TAKEN ON A BIG PROJECT IN A GREAT HOUSE AND I WANT YOU TO MOVE THROUGH IT AS EASILY AS POSSIBLE.
MISSPELLING BEE, JUST SO I CAN SURE.
IT'S ON THE PRESENTATION ROOF AND FOUNDATION PLAN PAGE.
SO JUST, YOU KNOW, THERE SHOULDN'T BE LITTLE PROBLEMS LIKE THAT AND JUST, BUT WHAT'S THE REAL PROBLEM IS THAT THE DRAWINGS JUST AREN'T COMPLETE OF WHAT YOU WOULD NEED IN THE END.
SO, SO JUST DO KNOW THAT EITHER YOUR ARCHITECT IS NOT
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YET PROVIDING WHAT THEY NEED TO OR PERHAPS ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH THE NEEDS OF THE CITY OF DALLAS.EITHER WAY YOU SHOULD CHECK UP ON THEIR, ON WHAT THEY'RE GONNA COME THROUGH WITH FOR YOU.
SO NOW TELL US ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING ON THIS PROJECT THEN.
SO, UH, WELL IT HAS TO BE A FULL RENOVATION, UM, AND RESTORATION.
THE ENTIRE PROPERTY PRETTY MUCH GOT THE ROOF IS GONE.
UM, UH, MOST THE, THE PORCH, THE FRONT PORCH IS PULLING AWAY FROM THE STRUCTURE.
UM, SO WE HAVE TO TAKE IT DOWN.
UM, WE PLAN TO PUT IT BACK UP AS IT, BUT UM, YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THE PORCH DOWN, IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING? WE HAVE TO, THE PILLARS ARE PULLING AWAY FROM THE FRONT FACE OF THE HOUSE SEPARATING.
SO THAT ENTIRE FRONT PORCH HAS TO BE RESTRUCTURED.
MINE HOUSE IS DOING THAT TOO, BUT DO YOU MEAN YOU'RE GOING TO DECONSTRUCT IT AND PUT IT BACK UP OR YOU'RE JUST GONNA FIX THE FOUNDATION UNDER IT? NO, WE HAVE TO DECONSTRUCT IT AND PUT IT BACK.
'CAUSE THE FOUNDATION, SO THE NEIGHBOR TO THE RIGHT, THEY RAISED THEIR GRADE ON THEIR DRIVEWAY AND SO THE, THE RAINWATER HAS BEEN RUNNING RIGHT UNDER THAT PORCH SO THAT PORCH IS COLLAPSING, LEANING AND PULLING AWAY.
SO JUST A SIMPLE FOUNDATION REPAIR WOULDN'T DO MUCH OTHER THAN IT WOULD BE BACK THERE IN ANOTHER 10 YEARS MAYBE, IF NOT ALL RIGHT.
SO YEAH, SO WE HAVE TO, UM, REPLACE THE FRONT PORCH.
WE HAVE TO REPLACE ALL OF THE WINDOWS ON THE PROPERTY.
THOSE ARE ALL COMPLETELY, UH, EITHER DRY ROTTED OR DESTROYED.
UM, AND THEN THE ADDITION OFF THE BACKSIDE OF THE HOUSE IS TO ADD ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR MY FAMILY.
UM, AND THIS IS BEING RETURNED TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME FOR, UH, MY FAMILY.
ANYTHING ELSE? WE'LL HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU? UH, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE GIST OF IT.
WE STARTED ON, YOU KNOW, THE WRONG SIDE OF THIS A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
AND THEN, UM, THE TASK FORCE, UH, MEMBER
SO I TOOK IT UPON MYSELF WITH MY ARCHITECT TO DO QUITE A BIT OF RESEARCH.
UH, THAT ENCLOSURE ON THE SECOND FLOOR BALCONY IN THE FRONT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME AS FAR AS BACK AS WE COULD LOOK.
UM, I THOUGHT I HEARD SOMEWHERE IT STATED THAT IT WAS BUILT AS A DUPLEX FROM THE RESEARCH THAT I FOUND.
IT WAS NOT BUILT AS A DUPLEX, IT WAS BUILT AS A SINGLE FAMILY ORIGINALLY AND IMMEDIATELY TURNED INTO A DUPLEX RIGHT BEFORE WORLD WAR II.
UM, I THINK HER, HER HER BASIS WAS THE ORIGINAL SANDBORN MAPS, WHICH, UM, SHOWED THE USES OF, OF DIFFERENT HOUSES, SO.
UM, AND, AND A ARRANGEMENT LIKE THAT AS A DUPLEX WAS PRETTY COMMON IN THE TYPE OF YEARS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR, AND THERE WERE ACTUALLY SEVERAL OF THEM, BUT SOME OF THEM ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES NOW.
SO THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL TO CHANGE THAT.
COMMISSIONERS, WHO WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN WITH QUESTIONS AND IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST IF YOU JUST TRIED TO PICK LIKE ONE ASPECT FIRST AND TALK ABOUT ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE WE COULD ALL GET OVERWHELMED.
THE FACT THAT THE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO REPLACE THE PORCH, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, A LARGE ISSUE WITH THE FACT THAT IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ENCLOSED ORIGINALLY.
IT WOULD'VE BEEN OPEN WITH A GUARDRAIL AROUND THE PERIMETER OF IT.
UM, WHICH IS ACTUALLY EVERYTHING WE WOULD LIKE.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND IF YOU'RE AMENABLE TO PUTTING IT BACK AS AN OPEN PORCH RATHER THAN AN ENCLOSED ONE.
SO THE MAIN REASON FOR THE POST PORCH IS DUE TO THE TIME OF DAY.
SO, UM, AS OF RECENT, MY NEIGHBOR HAS BEEN ATTACKED, UM, AND HE HAD TO DEFEND HIMSELF PHYSICALLY.
I HAD TO GO TO THE PROPERTY BECAUSE COPS WERE CALLED, SOMEONE WAS APPREHENDED, SOMEONE WAS ACTUALLY, UH, ASSAULTED WITH A WEAPON.
UM, NOT ONLY THAT, THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET IS IN COMPLETELY DECIMATED AND IT HAS A LOT OF VAGRANT ACTIVITY AND EVEN THE HOUSE TO THE LEFT OF ME IS A BIRTHING CENTER.
AND EVERY TIME I GO THROUGH THE PROPERTY TO CLEAN IT UP OR TO SECURE IT, THERE'S SOMEONE, A VAGRANT SITTING ON THE PROP ON THE, UH, FRONT PORCH OF THAT, THAT I HAVE A WIFE AND TWO LITTLE ONES, THREE AND ONE YEARS OLD.
AND SO THEM WALKING OUT THE FRONT DOOR TO SOMEONE ON THE PORCH IS JUST, IT'S, IT'S NOT SO, AND WE, WE, WE WANNA LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE WANT TO GET THE NEIGHBORHOOD UP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
WE WANT TO ADD TO THE DUPLICATION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I'M, I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO GLASS IT OFF OR WHATEVER IT TAKES, BUT I NEED A, A BARRIER BETWEEN, UM, THE VAGRANT THAT COME ON THE PROPERTY THAT WALK THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND
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WHEN MY WIFE NEEDS TO GO.IF IT WERE JUST ME, I WOULDN'T, BUT SINCE I HAVE A WIFE AND TWO OTHER ONE KIND OF THING, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN APPROACHED, A GENTLEMAN APPROACHED ME JUST THREE WEEKS AGO AND HE HAD A MACHETE AND A HATCHET IN HIS BACKPACK AND HE WASN'T UPDATED.
THAT'S THE ONLY REASON FOR CREATING SOME SORT OF ENCLOSURE OR A BARRIER IS JUST THAT SAFETY.
THAT, AND, WELL, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A BARRIER AT THE END OF A PORCH AND THE BARRIER ON THE INSIDE OF A PORCH WOULD BE.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WELL, SO IN OTHER WORDS, UM, YOU'RE, SO IT, AS THE GROUND LEVEL EXISTS TODAY, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, THERE'S A DOOR, UH, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE PORCH PROTECTING ANYONE, YOU KNOW, OCCUPYING THAT, THAT SPACE.
LIKEWISE, ON THE SECOND FLOOR, IT WAS PROBABLY NOT DESIGNED AS A SLEEPING PORCH, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS ONE TO, YOU KNOW, OH, OH, YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE SECOND FLOOR? I THOUGHT THE SECOND FLOOR.
SO THE, THE SECOND FLOOR IS, IS IMPOSED TODAY.
SO WE JUST, WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT THAT WAY.
UM, AND IT'S ADDED SQUARE FOOTAGE INTERNALLY FOR THE PROPERTY.
BUT WHAT I'M AFRAID OF IS THE FACT, SO IT'S GRANDFATHERED NOW BECAUSE IT, IT, IT WOULDN'T HAVE, IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BUILT THAT WAY ORIGINALLY.
AND SO THE FACT THAT YOU'RE REBUILDING IT, IF YOU WERE ONLY REPAIRING IT, IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT SITUATION.
BUT BECAUSE YOU ARE REBUILDING IT, YOU DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY THEN TO BUILD IT AS IF IT WAS, AS IT WAS NEW.
SO, UM, UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S THE SITUATION THAT THAT PRESENTS BY REBUILDING THAT PORCH.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE SO YOU'RE SAYING JUST REPAIR WELL THAT'S WHAT'LL LET YOU KEEP IT AS ENCLOSED.
BECAUSE OTHERWISE THAT'S FAIR.
WE'LL, WE'LL, WE WILL, UH, BUILD A FOUNDATION ROUTE OF RESEARCHING THE FOUNDATION.
UM, COMMISSIONER RES WOULD LIKE, I I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT WAS MY ISSUE.
'CAUSE IF YOU TAKE THE PORCH DOWN, YOU CAN'T BUILD IT BACK AS IT'S, YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT RUN UPSTAIRS.
IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU WAS YEAH.
YOU LOSE YOUR GRANDFATHER ANYWAY.
UH, HAVE, HAVE YOU WORKED WITH, HAVE YOU CONSULTED ANY FOUNDATION PEOPLE AND THEY SAID THEY COULD FIX IT? WELL, THEY SAID IT'D BE BEST TO, UH, DISTRIBUTE, REDO.
SO WHAT WE'RE LETTING YOU KNOW IS IF YOU DO THAT, YOU WILL HAVE TO GIVE UP THE UPSTAIRS IN INFO.
NO, NOW THAT I KNOW THAT, I'LL GO BACK AND WE'LL TALK AND DO IT.
AND ARE THERE ANY COMMISSIONERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO WHAT CAME OUT THE ISSUE OF ENCLOSING THE LOWER PART OF THE PORCH, WHICH IS A REQUEST BEFORE US TODAY? THAT CAN'T HAPPEN.
UM, IT IS EXTRAORDINARILY UNLIKELY THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THE ENCLOSURE OF THE DOWNSTAIRS PORCH.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS WHILE I SAID I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I LIVE ON SWISS AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SWISS AND GASTON IS FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT.
UM, I DID RAISE MY CHILD THERE AND HE SAW A FEW THINGS THAT I THINK ONLY MADE IT MORE STREETWISE AND SMART
HOWEVER, THE, THE DAMAGE TO THE, UM, HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE STREET OF A CLOSING PORCHES WOULD TEND TO MAKE THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'D HAVE TROUBLE GETTING US TO VOTE FOR, NO MATTER WHAT THE CONCERNS WERE.
SO I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT, UH, THERE MIGHT BE OTHER WAYS TO RETHINK HOW TO PROTECT SUCH YOUNG CHILDREN, INCLUDING LETTING 'EM KNOW THEY CAN'T CLOCK THE FRONT DOOR BY THEMSELVES.
I MEAN, I KNOW CHILDREN DO WHAT THEY WANT, BUT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING YOU PROBABLY WILL NOT GET THE SOLUTION YOU'RE HOPING FOR COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? YES.
I ALSO LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'VE LIVED THERE FOR ALMOST 40 YEARS.
AND THE ADVANTAGE OF THE SECOND FLOOR PORCHES THAT THEY ARE VERY SAFE.
YOU CAN BE ON THE FRONT PORCH, YOU CAN ACTUALLY LOOK DOWN AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND IF THINGS ARE A LITTLE CRAZY, YOU CAN GO IN THE HOUSE.
BUT BASICALLY A SECOND FLOOR PORCH IS SAFE.
NO ONE'S GONNA CLIMB UP THE PORCH.
HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT THE FIRST FLOOR PORCH, MR. PARDON ME? HE WOULD LIKE TO ENCLOSE THE FIRST FLOOR PORCH.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SECOND FLOOR TO START WITH, BUT I'M JUST MAKING SURE YOU'RE OKAY.
SO IF YOU HAD TO OPEN UP THE SECOND FLOOR PORCH, YOU WOULD HAVE A PLACE THAT YOU COULD BE AT AND LOOK DOWN AT.
SO A SECOND FLOOR PORCH IS NOT A PROBLEM.
ENCLOSING THE FIRST FLOOR PORCH IS, IS NOT ALLOWED.
AND WE'VE NEVER DONE IT BEFORE AND THERE'S NO REASON TO.
SO I THINK YOU NEED TO REALIZE THAT YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO ENCLOSE THE FIRST FLOOR PORCH.
AT LEAST I, I, I DON'T BELIEVE WE ARE GOING TO GO THAT WAY.
SO, AND AS YOU SAID BEFORE, THAT IS A NON-CONFORMING SECOND FLOOR ENCLOSED PORCH.
IF YOU START TO CHANGE IT SIGNIFICANTLY OR HAS TO BE REBUILT.
SO YOU'RE GONNA END UP HAVING AN OPEN AIR SECOND FLOOR PORCH.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY IT
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IS.I, I DON'T THINK WE CAN GIVE ON THAT AT ALL.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER RENO, I HAD A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
I WAS ACTUALLY, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF IS, 'CAUSE I KNOW IN SOME OF OUR DISTRICT'S, UM, FENCES ARE ALLOWED AT THE PROPERTY LINE, LOW FENCES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY 70% OPEN.
IS THAT, UM, YOU MEAN THE THREE FOOT FIVE? YEAH.
UM, IN PEAKS IT IS ALLOWED BECAUSE AT LEAST IT ACTS AS A BARRIER.
I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S, YES, PEOPLE CAN EASILY JUMP OVER IT.
THEY'RE SCALING THE BACK FENCE NOW.
THAT'S ONLY PROBABLY BECAUSE IT'S EMPTY ONCE THERE ARE PEOPLE THERE WORKING ON IT AND LIVING, I THINK YEAH.
WILL BE LESS SO LIKE THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET.
I, I WOULD HOPE THEY'D STOP SCALING YOUR FENCE ONCE YOU LIVE THERE.
I HAVE A LOUD DOG WOULD BE GOOD.
WELL, YOU WANNA AVOID A DOG PERSON IN ENGAGEMENT.
THAT COULD BECOME THAT, THAT IS SERIOUS LITIGATION.
BUT THEY ALSO, THEY DO HOP THE FENCE OF THE TWO NEIGHBORS.
UM, NEXT, BECAUSE I, I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND WE ARE, WE ARE SENSITIVE TO YOUR, TO YOUR PLIGHT AND DO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, ISSUES AROUND SAFETY.
UM, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY OUR GOAL FOR PRESERVATION AND SAFETY SOMETIMES COLLIDE OR, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT COMPLETELY ALIGNED.
SO, UM, I WAS HOPING WE COULD FIND OTHER WAYS TO HELP YOU FEEL SAFE.
UM, AND, BUT STILL PRESERVE THE, THE INTEGRITY OF THAT HOME.
UM, IF IT'S SOMETHING WHERE IT'S THE, WE'RE LEFT WITH A THREE AND A HALF FOOT FENCE IN THE FRONT, WE'LL APPLY FOR, I GUESS WE'LL HAVE TO APPLY FOR
UM, AND OPEN UP THE FRONT PORCH.
ALRIGHT, THEN MOVING ON FROM D FRONT PORCH,
SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER REQUESTS, MANY OF WHICH HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED BY STAFF FOR DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE? COMMISSIONER
I GUESS I'LL GO, UM, EXPLAIN TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE BACK WALL AND THE WINDOW SYSTEM BECAUSE THE, THE WINDOW SYSTEM THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN THE, AND THE PACKET DOES NOT MATCH THE DRAWINGS.
UH, UH, TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN? SO THE WINDOW THAT'S IN THE PACKET IS FOR THE, UM, MAIN WINDOW TO THE HOUSE, WHICH ARE ONE OVER ONE.
THE WINDOWS ON THE BACK SECTION OF THE HOUSE ARE GANG WINDOWS.
UM, WE WERE TOLD WE COULDN'T USE, UM, THE LARGE PICTURE WINDOWS.
SO WE SWAPPED THOSE OUT FOR GANG WINDOWS IN THE HOUSE.
SO THE DRAWING OR THE, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHICH FIND IT ON.
I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN SO THAT EVERYONE CAN SEE.
UM, YES, THE PROPOSED REAR DOOR DESIGN REFERENCE RAINIER MASTER LINE EIGHT PIVOT DOOR.
THESE ARE, THESE ARE OVER OH FOUR.
THESE ARE THE ONES THAT YOU SENT ME FOR
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NEWER THAN THIS.
UM, I DID TELL THEM THAT YOU WERE A AMENABLE TO REVISING THESE BIG WINDOWS TO THE GANG.
UM, AND OH, YOU KNOW WHAT? I WILL PULL UP THE DOCKET.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
DID I PASS IT? WHAT YOU'RE WORKING AT? I THINK IT'S BACK HERE THOUGH.
UM, YEAH, THESE ARE THE MOST RECENT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THE UPDATED GANG WINDOWS YET.
I DID LET THEM KNOW THAT YOU WILL AMENABLE THOSE.
HE'S REFERRING TO THE, THE GLASS, GLASS DOORS FOR THE REAR.
BUT THIS IS WHAT HE, THOSE ARE ON THE BACK SECTION OF THE HOUSE WITH THE BACK.
VERY, VERY BACK FACING THE YARD.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT DOESN'T MATCH THE DRAWING REAR ELEVATION? NO,
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THAT'S NOT THE CORRECT DRAWING.YEAH, THAT THESE ARE WHAT I HAVE.
YOU CAN EMAIL ME RIGHT A SECOND AND I'LL, I'LL PULL IT UP RIGHT NOW.
ARE WE GONNA TAKE A SECOND? MAYBE ASK ABOUT SOMETHING COMPUTER, WHICH DOES NOT LIKE TO HURRY DURING MEETINGS.
SO THOSE, THOSE REMAIN THE, THE DOORS YOU'D LIKE TO PUT IN THE BACK, THOSE TWO DOORS? YEAH.
JUST TWO PIVOT DOORS ON THE FIRST.
WOULD THEY BE VISIBLE TO ANYBODY WHO'S NOT IN YOUR FAMILY? NO.
FIXED IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF ONLY THE FRONT AND SIDE ARE PROTECTED TECHNICALLY.
THESE ARE THE FIRST TWO PAGES.
SO THIS IS THE BACK BACK THE BACK.
DEPICTING, DO YOU NEED ME TO ZOOM IT? ZOOM IN.
LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU WANT ME TO FLIP BACK AND FORTH.
JUST HAD A QUESTION ON THE, THE SIDE WINDOW.
THOSE ARE PIVOTING AS WELL, OR THOSE ARE, UM, SASHES THAT MOVE UP AND DOWN THAT YOU, THE, THE DOORS ARE ACTUALLY DOORS, RIGHT.
FACING DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH OR TO THE REAR OF THE HO.
SO THOSE ARE JUST, UH, FIXED WINDOWS.
THE TWO OVER ONE FIVE, I THINK IT'S ONLY ALLOWED TO DO ONE OVER ONE PRAIRIE, TWO OVER ONE.
ALL THE REST OF THE WINDOW ARE, UM, THE STANDARD WINDOW.
THAT SAME, UH, SIZE WINDOW THAT
UM, THEN I'VE GOT A FEW MORE QUESTIONS ON THOSE ELEVATIONS.
UM, THOSE COLUMNS IS, IS, SO YOUR UM, BALCONY IS CANTILEVER HALFWAY.
AND THE COLUMNS BELOW IT ARE BRICK, BRICK COLUMN.
AND THEY'RE DIMENSION, THEY LOOK RATHER LARGE, LIKE THREE OR FOUR FEET WIDE.
EITHER ALONG THE SAME OF THE ONE GUESS I'M READING THE ONE THAT'S UNDERNEATH THAT DIMENSION.
WHAT IS THAT 12 FEET? WELL THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST A LINE.
THIS IS NOT A A, THIS IS NOT A A COLUMN.
THE COLUMN AND THEN ONE, THERE'S ONE DIRECTLY UNDER THE BALCONY ITSELF BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THE TWO VERTICAL LINES ABOUT WHERE THE NUMBER 12 IS.
OR THE DEFINITION OF THE COLUMN.
AND THEN THERE'S ONE BACK BUNDLE.
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THAT'S AT THE EDGE OF THE GUARD RAIL.AND THEN THE MATERIAL ON THE BALCONY ITSELF, BRICK, BECAUSE WE CAN'T MAKE, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, WE CAN'T MAKE BRICK.
THE ADDITION HAS TO BE ALL WOOD.
I PROBABLY GONNA HAVE SOME STEEL IN THERE HOLDING ALL THAT, SUPPORTING THAT BRICK.
HI MR. RE LOOKING AT THE PICTURE OF THE ENTIRE HOUSE AT THE FRONT, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A PORCH, BUT IN THE PICTURE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S PART OF THE, UH, ROOF GO DOWN.
I JUST WANNA SEE THE OTHER ONE.
IT WHERE WE CAN SEE A PICTURE SO THAT YOU CAN YEAH, THE GABLE ACTUALLY SPRINGS FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, NOT THE FRONT OF THE PORCH.
SO IT, IT WAS JUST DRAWN A LITTLE TOO FAR FORWARD I THINK.
SO JUST WANTED YOU TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE
IT, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU COULD WALK OUT UNDER A WOOD.
I THINK THOSE ELEVATIONS ARE, ARE JUST MISSING THE LINES OF SID.
I THINK THE DRAWINGS ARE INTENDED FOR THAT SECOND.
OH, YOU MEAN ON THE SIDE, THE SIDING ON THE SIDE.
IT, IT'S JUST NOT, WE WERE TOLD TO TAKE THE SIDING OFF AND WE WERE TOLD TO PUT IT BACK SO WE PUT IT BACK ON THE FRONT SO YOU COULD SEE.
BUT IT, IT'S SIDING ON THE SIDE.
UM, THE ROOF, THE DA VINCI COMPOSITE SH SLATE IS FIRST A QUESTION FOR STAFF I GUESS IS, UH, THE FAUX SLATE SHINGLE.
UM, IS THAT ALLOWED? I THINK PER ORDINANCE IN PEAKS, WE'VE, WE'VE USED IT IN WHEN A HOUSE ORIGINALLY HAD SLAVE ROOF.
YEAH, WELL THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
THAT'S THE CHANGE IN MATERIALS.
AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO SLEIGH AND THEN ALSO AT BEAN, UH, ADDITIONAL, IT'S A FOE.
UM, SO ARE WE SAYING IT WOULD'VE TO BE REAL? WELL, I'M JUST SAYING FOR ONE IT, CAN IT EVEN BE EITHER ONE SINCE IT WASN'T THERE ORIGINALLY? WELL, AND THAT'S, UH, NORMALLY WE DO, WE'VE SEEN ONE GOOD BRAND OF COMPOSITE SLATE, JUST ONE.
AND WE COULDN'T TELL IT WAS LIKE THAT.
AND I'VE ONLY APPROVED ONE EVER IN SWISS
BUT IT WAS ON A HOUSE THAT ALREADY HAD, IT ALREADY HAD SLATE, SLATE ROOF.
IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN, I PERSONALLY HAD USED DA VINCI ONCE BEFORE.
BEFORE IT WAS VERY GOOD ON A GOOD UM, CARNEGIE LIBRARY.
IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WAS THE BOOK.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN THE ONE, I CAN'T RECALL IT.
BUT YEAH, I THINK, YEAH, THE REPEATING LOT IS, IT DOESN'T REPEAT A LOT.
SO IF YOU GET GRADATION, BUT IT'S ALSO THE COLOR BLACK AS WELL.
AND SO THEN THE COLOR WOULD POSSIBLY ELIMINATE THAT EVEN IF YOU DID ALLOW THE SLATE.
WOULD WANNA SEE IT AS PROBABLY A GRAY SLATE.
OH, HAVE AN EXAMPLE RIGHT HERE.
I DID TELL HIM TO BRING WHATEVER HE COULD BRING IN TO SHOW WHILE HE, WHILE THAT'S BEING PASSED AROUND.
LET ME READ FROM THE ORDINANCE.
THE SLOPE MASSING CONFIGURATION AND MATERIALS OF THE ROOF MUST BE PRESERVED AND MAINTAINED.
ORIGINAL GABLES DORMERS PORCHES AND ROOFS MUST BE PRESERVED EXISTING PARAPETS CORNICES AND I SKIP THAT PART.
UM, THE FOLLOWING ROOFING MATERIALS ARE ALLOWED WOOD SHINGLE COMPOSITION, SHINGLE SLATE, CLAY CONCRETE TERRA CUTTA TILES AND OTHER MATERIALS DEEMED APPRO.
SO IT WOULD BE UP TO COMMISSION TO DECIDE IF IT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE CHANGE.
LET ME SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
THIS HOUSE IS MORE OF A VERNACULAR STRUCTURE AND I'M PRETTY MUCH GUARANTEED IT HAD WOOD CEDAR SHINGLES ORIGINALLY.
NOW THERE ARE SOME TUDORS IN SOME CLASSICAL REVIVAL HOUSES THAT MAY HAVE HAD SLATE ORIGINALLY THIS HOUSE WAS NOT A SLATE ROOF HOUSE.
SO WE'RE KIND OF ADDING SOMETHING THAT NEVER EXISTED.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS AFRAID OF.
WE'RE UP UPDATING IT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT WAS SOMETHING IT NEVER WAS.
AND IF THEY CAN PROVE THAT IT HAD TILE OR SLATE, THEN WE GO WITH TILE OR SLATE.
BUT OTHERWISE WE GO WITH COMPOSITION SHINGLES WHICH LOOK LIKE
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ORIGINAL CEDAR SHINGLES.AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT, UH, MARCUS WAS SAYING THAT STAFF HAD UTILIZED A PRODUCT SIMILAR TO THIS WAS BEFORE ONLY TO REPLACE I THINK A SLATE THAT WAS ALREADY THERE.
IT WAS A BASICALLY A REPLACEMENT, NOT A NEW MATERIAL.
UH, IT WAS IN LIEU OF THE SLATE THAT THEY COULDN'T GET TO MATCH.
SO MR. MCNEE, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE DOUBT THIS HOUSE USED TO HAVE SLATE WHEN IT WAS NEW.
WERE YOU GOING PRIMARILY FOR THE LOOK OF SLATE OR BECAUSE YOU LIKE THIS MATERIAL YOU THINK IT WOULD BE DURABLE AND THE DURABILITY? THERE'S A, A LITANY OF GI MEAN THE SLATE IS A NICER LOOK.
UM, IT IS AN UPGRADE LOOK, BUT ALSO IT HAS A LIFETIME WOOD.
DO THEY MAKE IT SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE SHADE OR SH A CEDAR SHAKE ROOF OR YOU KNOW, TO LOOK LIKE A WOOD SHINGLE? THEY CAN MAKE IT SMALLER.
BUT DID THEY MAKE IT LOOK LIKE WOOD? I BELIEVE THAT MATERIAL LIKE THAT WAS PROPOSED FOR USE OUT OLD CITY PARK.
SOMETHING THAT LOOKED LIKE SHINGLES BUT WOOD.
I'M TALKING TO DONNA MEAN TO RONDA DUNN
DIDN'T YOU TELL ME THAT OLD CITY PARK HAD PROPOSED A, UM, IMMATERIAL FOR THE TOP OF THE, UH, FOR THE ROOF OF THE DOCTOR'S HOUSE THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE SHINGLES BUT WAS MORE DURABLE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE'D APPROVE EITHER ONE, BUT PROBABLY WE'D BE MORE WILLING TO APPROVE THE, APPROVE THE DA VINCI ONE THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE SHINGLES AND THEN NOT IT LOOK LIKE SPLIT.
IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING FROM MY COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR SOME OF OUR ARCHITECTS HERE.
IF INDEED CAN YOU, CAN YOU SHOW THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE PLEASE? IF INDEED THE FRONT PORCH MAY NEED TO BE DISMANTLED TO FIX THOSE COLUMNS THAT ARE OUT OF WHACK, IS THERE A WAY THAT THAT TOP PORT PORTION CAN BE SUPPORTED WITH, WITH WOOD TO KEEP, I'M TRYING TO KEEP THE GABLE END, WHICH IS QUITE EXTRAORDINARY INSTEAD OF REMOVING THE WHOLE STRUCTURE TO YEAH.
I WOULD ASSUME THAT THERE WOULD BE AN APPROACH THAT YOU COULD STABILIZE IT AND SUPPORT.
UM, BECAUSE IT'D BE ASHAMED TO HAVE TO BUILD, REBUILD ALL THAT WOOD.
'CAUSE THAT REALLY IS QUITE AN EXTRAORDINARY PIECE.
IT IT COULD EVEN, YEAH, IT COULD LOWER THE COST.
AND, AND STILL PROVIDE WHAT WE WOULD WANT.
SO EVEN IF THEY HAVE TO TAKE DOWN THE COLUMNS TO FIX THEM, WHICH HE DOESN'T WANNA DO ANYMORE BECAUSE WE'VE ESTABLISHED YOU HAVE TO LOSE THAT TOP PORTRAIT CLOSURE.
IT WOULD BE GOOD IF THEY COULD INSTEAD JUST SUPPORT THE ROOF PART INSTEAD OF TAKING IT OFF.
BECAUSE IT WOULD BE REAL HARD TO PUT IT BACK YEAH.
AND I THINK HE WAS SAYING HE WAS GONNA HAVE A STRUCTURAL LOOK INTO THAT EARLIER R RIGHT.
UH, STRUCTURAL, THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WE, WE WORKED WITH YES.
ON UM, JUST REPAIRING THE FOUNDATION.
AND SO IT WOULD HAVE TO RAISE BASICALLY, ESPECIALLY ONE PARTICULAR, THE FRONT LEFT CORNER WOULD HAVE TO RAISE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT SMOKING PULLING.
AND ONE, ONE MORE THING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS THE, THE, UH, THE EXTRA DOOR AND THE CANOPY.
IT CERTAINLY IS A SIGNIFICANT COPY FEATURE OF THIS PROPERTY.
NOW THERE, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS A DUPLEX TODAY WAS BUILT AND, AND POSSIBLY IT WAS NOT.
BUT THE SECRETARY AND TIER STANDARDS SAY THAT, UM, CHANGES THAT HAPPEN OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.
NOW THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT THAT CANOPY THE WAY IT'S CONSTRUCTED WAS VERY EARLY.
IF IT WASN'T TODAY WAS BUILT, IT WAS IN THE FIRST, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS OR SO.
AND THAT IS A CHARACTER DEFINING FUTURE THE STRUCTURE AND NEEDS TO BE RETAINED.
IF YOU DON'T WANT A DOOR THERE PER SE, YOU COULD PUT IN A DOOR AND AND LOCK IT.
I MEAN IF, IF IT'S, IF A SECURITY ISSUE, I CAN UNDERSTAND HAVING A SECOND DOOR, YOU COULD PUT A DOOR THERE AND AND IT WOULD NEVER OPEN.
BUT IT NEEDS TO HAVE A CANOPY AND A, A PERIOD DOOR THERE.
'CAUSE THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE FRONT FACADE.
I, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD THE SAME CONDITION ON THAT.
UM, WE HAD TWO FRONT DOORS, UNLESS YOU, IT IS LOOKING LIKE IT HAS BEEN A DUPLEX OR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING SINCE 1950.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE DATE OF THE SANDBORN MAP WHEN IT USED TO BE 46, 14 46, 16 AND 46, 16 AND A HALF.
SO PROBABLY IT WAS A DUPLEX IN THAT CASE, WE WOULD TEND TO WANT THERE TO BE THAT SECOND DOOR TO SHOW THAT HISTORY THAT THERE USED TO BE DUPLEXES MIXED IN WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES AND NOBODY HAD A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
BUT THE DOOR COULD JUST SHOW US A DOOR ON THE OUTSIDE.
YOU COULD BOARD IT UP INSIDE FOR A BOOKCASE IN FRONT OF IT.
WHATEVER YOU WANT IT TO DO, IT WOULD JUST SHOW US A DOOR OUTSIDE.
SO, UM, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO HAVE THAT DOOR, YOU WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO BRING US SOME EVIDENCE, WHICH I DOUBT YOU COULD GET THAT SHOWS THAT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, NEVER WAS A DUPLEX.
SO WE'RE SAYING THAT CAN'T BE TURNED INTO A WINDOW THAT HAS TO BE TURNED INTO A, OR REMAIN A DOOR, A SECOND DOOR.
WE, AS LONG AS WE, IF WE ARE, IF WE GO WITH THE EVIDENCE THAT SUGGESTS IT'S BEEN A DUPLEX FOR 70 YEARS OR WAS ORIGINALLY
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THAT 70 YEARS AGO, IT WOULD BE IN KEEPING WITH OUR ORDINANCE OF PRESENTING THE HISTORY THAT WE WOULD KEEP THAT SECOND DOOR SHOWING ON THE FACADE.SO PEOPLE, SO IT LOOKED LIKE A DUPLEX, BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A FUNCTIONAL DOOR.
YOU CAN DO ANYTHING ON THE INSIDE YOU WANT.
SO YEAH, SO THERE'S SOME ISSUES THERE, RIGHT.
BECAUSE THE PROPERTY BUILT IN 1920 MM-HMM
IT DIDN'T BECOME A DUPLEX UNTIL THE LATE.
AND THEN IT DID BECOME, IT THEN GOT CHANGED LATE QUAD
UM, THERE'S SEVERAL SECTIONS OF THE HOUSE THAT ARE AUDITIONED THAT I'M PRETTY SURE NO ONE IS AWARE OF ANYWHERE.
YEAH,
SO I'M, I'M FINDING IT HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEED TO KEEP A SECOND JAW ON FRONT WHEN, AND I'M SAYING CAN, CAN STAFF SHOW THINK IT WAS, CAN STAFF SHOW THE FRONT FACADE AND WHAT CAN YOU SHOW THE FRONT FACADE THE WAY THE FRONT FACADE IS ARRANGED? AND THE EVIDENCE IN THIS SANDBORN MAP SUGGESTS THAT IT WAS A DUPLEX FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
AND THAT IS A KEY BIT OF HISTORY FOR THIS TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE YOU USED TO HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, SMALL APARTMENT BUILDINGS, DUPLEXES AND BOARDING HOUSES ALTOGETHER WHERE LATER PLANNING WOULD HAVE ALL THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES TOGETHER AND ALL THE APARTMENTS TOGETHER SOMEPLACE ELSE.
SO IT IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE HISTORY THAT WE HAD, THAT MIXTURE.
AND WE HAVE ASKED THIS OF OTHER PEOPLE BEFORE, AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S ONLY GIVEN THE APPEARANCE OUTSIDE.
IT DOES NOT HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR USE OF IT.
I JUST LIKE TO MAKE NOTE THAT THAT CANOPY IS VERY OLD.
IT IS VERY, VERY, IT VERY MUCH MATCHES THE ENTIRE HOUSE.
WHETHER IT WAS A DUPLEX OR NOT, I DON'T EVEN REALLY CARE.
I'M SAYING THAT DOOR WAS THERE FROM AN EARLY TIME PERIOD.
IT'S PART OF THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE.
IF IT WASN'T THERE THE DAY IT WAS BUILT, IT CAME VERY, VERY SHORTLY THEREAFTER.
AND THAT'S A CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE OF PROPERTY.
YOU CAN PUT A DOOR THERE WITH A WINDOW IN IT.
YOU CAN BOARD IT, YOU CAN LOCK IT, NO ONE WILL EVER USE IT.
BUT THAT DOOR HAS TO RE BE RETAINED.
AND SO DOES THE OPEN PORCH, IS THERE AN EARLIER SAND BOARD MAP? 1950.
I'M TRYING TO PULL UP THE 1920S RIGHT NOW.
UM, ARE YOU ASKING IF IT'S ON WHICH ONE? I'M SORRY.
SHE DIDN'T SAY WHICH WE'LL HAVE TO, SHE'S WORKING ON THAT.
I DID WANT TO, UM, POINT OUT THAT AT LEAST ON THE 1950S, SANBORN, AND WE'LL LOOK WHEN, WHEN WE PULL UP THE THIRTIES AND I'LL HAVE TO, I MAY HAVE TO HELP WITH THAT 'CAUSE ANYWAY, UM, IT IS NOTED ON THE SANDOR MAP THAT IT'S A NON-COMBUSTIBLE ROOF, WHICH MEANS IT ABSOLUTELY COULD BE TILE OR, OR, UH, A SLIGHT.
SO THEN WE WOULD RECONSIDER OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR THE APPEARANCE.
IF IT, THERE'S MORE INFORMATION.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE CERTAINLY.
SO YOU CAN WIN ANY ARGUMENT IF YOU HAVE PROOF THAT THAT'S HOW IT USED TO BE
BUT IT'S SOMETIMES THE SANDBORN IS INDICATING TRIAL, WHICH WOULD MEAN NOT WOOD SHAKE, PUSHING WOOD.
AND C CAN I JUST ADDRESS JUST VERY QUICKLY, UM, THE WHILE WAS THERE ON THAT SECOND DOOR, UH, WHETHER IT'S A DUPLEX OR NOT, I THINK PRESERVATION STANDARDS, ESPECIALLY GOING THROUGH NATIONAL PARK SERVICES, INTERIOR SECRETARY STANDARDS, I THINK IT, IT PRESERVATION UTILIZES THE, IT HAS ACQUIRED AN HISTORICAL INTEGRITY BECAUSE OF THE WORLD WAR II AND THE 1940S HOME FRONT APPROACH.
SO WHETHER IT DIDN'T HAVE IT IN 1920 OR 30, IT HAS ACQUIRED A HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE DUE TO THAT SIGNIFICANT PERIOD.
SO THEREFORE WE WOULD LIKE TO RETAIN THAT FROM THE EXTERIOR POINT OF VIEW.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE WAY PRESERVATIONISTS WILL SEE THAT.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING, FOR THE APPLICANT REGARDING THE, THE FRAMING OF THE ROOF.
WAS YOUR INTENTION TO REFRAME THE ENTIRE ROOF AS I'M LOOK, BECAUSE I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS AT THE BEGINNING WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE ELEVATION, SO I THOUGHT THERE JUST MIGHT HAVE BEEN A GLITCH IN THE WAY IT WAS DRAWN, UH, BECAUSE THERE IS AN EXISTING GABLE THAT'S NOT QUITE CENTERED ON THE FIREPLACE, ON THE, ON THE, UH, RIGHT HAND ELEVATION.
BUT NOW THAT I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE ROOF PLAN, IT LOOKS AS IF YOU WERE GOING TO REFRAME THE ENTIRE ROOF.
UM, SO THEN MY QUESTION IS WHY WOULDN'T YOU KEEP THIS THE INITIAL FORM AT LEAST? UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT CHARACTER
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DEFINING ELEMENTS.UM, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY, I MEAN, YOU WANT AS MUCH OF, OF THE, THE PUBLIC VIEW OF THE HOME TO REMAIN AS, UM, AS HISTORIC AS POSSIBLE.
AND BY BRINGING THAT ENTIRE GABLE FORWARD AND CREATING AN EIGHT FOOT OVERHANG OVER, YOU KNOW, OPEN SPACE DOWN BELOW, IT REALLY CHANGES THE CHARACTER.
SO, OKAY, SO I'M LOOKING AT YOUR ROOF PLAN.
IT'S, UH, RIGHT AFTER THE ELEVATIONS AND IT LOOKS AS IF THE GABLE LINE, IN FACT, IT SHOWS UP ON THE ELEVATIONS TOO, THAT ENTIRE GABLE HAS MOVED FORWARD TOWARD THE STREET.
THAT MUST, THAT MAY BE, UH, OVER THE PLANS THAT I EMAILED FROM SHOULD SHOW THE, THE GABLE DOESN'T OVERHANG
IT'S THE, IT'S THE GABLE, IT'S PARALLEL WITH THE, WITH THE STREET, NOT THE ONE THAT'S PERPENDICULAR TO IT.
UM, WHERE THE SET, THE NEXT SETBACK IS.
YEAH, RIGHT THERE WHERE YOU'RE UM, WHERE THE CRIS IS.
SO THAT AS THAT ROOF PLANE STARTS TO PITCH BACK, IT MATCHES, THERE'S A GABLE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE HOUSE YEAH.
SO HAS THAT EDGE OF THE ROOF COME FORWARD? NO.
SO IN YOUR EL IN YOUR ROOF PLAN, IT SHOWS THAT IT HAS, IT'S MOVED EIGHT FEET.
UM, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE DRAWING OR THE PICTURE.
WHICH ONE? THE ANTENNA? YEAH, I WOULD'VE TO SEE.
UH, SO IT SHOULD BE, IF YOU SCROLL DOWN, I THINK IS WHERE THE DRAWINGS ARE.
OH, OH, OH, TO THIS OR THE NEW PLANS.
WHAT DO YOU WANNA SEE? WHICHEVER ONE HAS A ROOF PLAN.
WELL, THESE, OKAY, LET ME, WHICH ONE? UM, SO THESE ARE WHAT WE JUST GOT TODAY THAT WE YEAH, IT WAS IN THE DOCKET PROVIDED TO US.
AND THEN THE DOCKET, THE, IT WAS IN THE CENTER.
THIS IS THE, UH, YEAH, THOSE GO, THAT'S WHAT HE WAS.
YEAH, THERE'S THE OVERHANG SHOWING IT IS EIGHT FEET.
THAT'S, THAT WAS THE PART THAT I WAS THROWN OFF BY.
SO IT'S CHANGED TO REMAIN AS IT IS TODAY, AS IS? YES.
EVERYTHING THAT'S ON THE ROOF, THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE WILL BE BUILT BACK AS IS.
UM, SO FAR, I GUESS SOME DOORS WE HAVE
SO I GUESS, OKAY, SO THE PART I'M MOST INTERESTED IN IS THAT FRONT SORT OF FIRST 25% OF THE HOUSE, IF THAT FOOTPRINT STAYS THE SAME OR THE MASSING STAYS THE SAME.
UM, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT EXTENDING OR CHANGING ANYTHING.
IN FACT, I DON'T THINK WE CAN MOVE THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE BOARD IN FURTHER THAN IT'S RIGHT.
WELL, SO WHAT HAPPENED IS, WELL, AT LEAST IN THIS DRAWING IS IT APPEARS TO ME THE, THE PORCH STAYED WHERE IT WAS.
BUT THE, THE, THE OPPOSING GATE, NOT THE OPPOSING GABLE, THE GABLE THAT RUNS PERPEND PARALLEL WITH THE STREET YEAH.
I MEAN, IT'S MOVED TO THE RIGHT AND TODAY IT EXISTS PROBABLY EIGHT FEET BACK, OR NOT EIGHT, MAYBE FOUR FEET, UM, FURTHER TO THE LEFT.
IF, IF, IF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, OH, YOU'RE SAYING IT'S SHIFTED OVER? YEAH, YOU'VE SHIFTED IT IN THIS.
THOSE ARE, THOSE SHOULD BE CORRECT.
I HAVE ONE MORE THING WE SHOULD.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO HAS SOMETHING ELSE FIRST BECAUSE MR. BEFORE WE GO ON WITH MR. ANDERSON, DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO MISS THEIR CHANCE.
PARDON ME? WELL, WE, AND, AND STAFF DID SUGGEST, UM, APPROVING THE WINDOWS, BUT OF COURSE WITH SO MANY COMPLEXITIES IN THIS AND A GOOD CHANCE OF NOT APPROVAL OF THE REST OF IT, IT PROBABLY MIGHT NOT BE LOGICAL TO APPROVE THE WINDOWS SINCE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE HEADED.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I JUST WANTED TO SAY ONE MORE THING ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING.
I KNOW THE STAFF MADE NOTE THAT THE PLANTS THAT ARE SHOWN ARE NOT TYPICAL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT.
I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH AND THE WEEPING WILLOWS, THE CLUMP, UM, UH,
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WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? UH, CLUM BAMBOO.AND ALSO THE, UM, CYPRESS ARE NOT NATIVE TO THIS AREA.
AND IF YOU GOOGLE THEM AND SAY, WINTER HARDINESS IN NORTH TEXAS, THEY ALL FAIL.
IT'S EITHER GONNA BE 120 DEGREES OR BELOW ZERO.
SO SOME OF THEM DON'T, UH, THE HEAT, SOME OF DON'T TAKE THE COLD.
SOME OF THEM, THE, THE BAMBOO SAYS IT'LL, IT'LL BURN DOWN TO THE GROUND IN THE, IN THE WINTER AND YOU HAVE TO GROW IT BACK UP.
SO I LIVE IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD.
I LIVE AN APARTMENT BEHIND ME AND I HAVE MAGNOLIAS, UM, RED TIP FOR TENS AND, UM, LIVE OAKS AND THEY'RE NATIVE, THEY GROW BIG AND THEY HIDE THINGS.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST LOOKING AT THOSE PLANTS IF YOU WANT A SCREENING THAT WILL LAST.
UM, I THINK THAT WE HAVE ADDRESSED ENOUGH OF THE ISSUES TO SEE WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS.
I'M, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION ON THIS ONE, BUT I, UH, THIS, I REALLY, MR. MCNI, I ADMIRE YOUR DESIRE TO MOVE INTO MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND WORK ON THIS FABULOUS HOUSE.
I CAN'T, YOU CAN DO IT HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN APPROACH THIS JOB HOWEVER YOU WANT TO.
I REALLY, REALLY THINK THAT IF YOU WORK WITH AN ARCHITECT AND HOPEFULLY A CONTRACTOR WHO ARE USED TO HISTORIC HOMES IN DALLAS HISTORIC DISTRICTS, IT WILL MAKE THE ROAD AHEAD EASIER FOR YOU BECAUSE THEY WOULD KNOW SOME OF THIS STUFF.
AND PRESERVATION DALLAS, IF YOU CALLED THEM UP, COULD HELP YOU FIGURE OUT WHO WOULD BE GOOD AT THAT, OR YOU CAN STICK WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING NOW.
BUT THE MOTION I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE NOW REGARDING ITEM D 1426 DASH 315 AA, THAT IS 46 16 GASTON AVENUE ON THE EIGHT REQUESTS.
I MOVE THAT WE DENY ALL OF THEM WITHOUT PREJUDICE, WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE PROPOSED REQUEST WOULD HAVE A HARMFUL EFFECT ON THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION DISTRICT SEVEN.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER RES SECOND.
NOW WE DO THIS IN THE HOPES THAT WE COULD WORK FURTHER WITH THIS AND STAFF COULD WORK FURTHER WITH YOU.
YOU COULD, OF COURSE, IF THIS PASSES AND YOU ARE DENIED, YOU COULD COME BACK FOR A COURTESY REVIEW NEXT TIME, WHICH DOESN'T REQUIRE HAVING ALL YOUR PLANS.
BUT, UM, WE WOULD, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT.
THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T THINK OF A WAY TO MOVE THIS FORWARD TODAY WITH CONDITIONS.
THERE'S JUST TOO MANY CONDITIONS, SO WE DON'T WANNA DISCOURAGE YOU FROM PURSUING THIS PROJECT.
IT, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE IT AN ACTIVE AND WONDERFUL HOUSE AGAIN, BUT IT DOES HAVE TO BE DONE RIGHT.
SO ANY FURTHER? THE ONE ABOUT THE FENCE IS, OKAY,
THAT'S YOUR, I WOULD CONCUR ON THIS AND I THINK IT'S VERY HELPFUL FROM ALL ASPECTS FOR THE APPLICANT AS WELL.
JUST, JUST TO GO AHEAD AND, AND, AND GRAB ALL THE INFORMATION.
SEE, AND THEN TAKE AND LOOK AT IT AS A WHOLE INSTEAD OF TRYING TO GET ONE LITTLE THING PIECEMEALED HERE, ONE LITTLE THING HERE AND JUST STEP BACK AND, AND JUST GRAB IT AND, AND, AND PUT IT BACK TOGETHER.
UH, I THINK HE, HE WOULD BE SERVED VERY WELL BY DOING THAT APPROACH.
ALL RIGHT, SO THAT'S ALL THE DISCUSSION.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES, YES, YES, YES.
ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? OKAY, THIS MOTION IS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
NOW, I WILL TELL YOU, SIR, THAT YOU DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL TO THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
AND ALL THEY WILL RULE IS IF, WHETHER WE DECIDED RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY, THEY, THEY DON'T TEND TO, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'LL MAKE ANY SPECIAL ACCOMMODATIONS FOR, FOR THE CHANGES YOU WANT TO MAKE.
WE DO ENCOURAGE YOU, AS I JUST SAID, AND I REALLY, REALLY MEANT IT.
WE'RE THRILLED YOU WANNA WORK ON THIS BUILDING.
I'M SUGGESTING YOU GET SOME MORE INFORMED HELP THAT COULD HELP YOU NAVIGATE THIS PROCESS OR START STUDYING MORE AND MORE, MORE ABOUT THIS PROCESS.
THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING TO LEARN ABOUT THE START PRESERVATION IN DALLAS.
YOU CAN WORK WITH STAFF, WE WANNA WORK WITH YOU, BUT IT'S JUST NOT READY TO GO YET.
QUICK QUESTION ON THE EXTERIOR DOOR.
SHOULD ALL FOUR REMAIN? WHAT? FIVE DOORS ON THE EXTERIOR DOOR? NO, IT'S THE FACADE WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.
WELL, I KNOW WITH THE DOOR FOR SAYING THAT THE FRONT DOOR SHOULD REMAIN RIGHT BECAUSE YEAH, WE, WE WERE ADDRESSING ONLY THAT, THAT SECOND FRONT DOOR, NOT THE ONES IN THE BACK WERE THE, THEIR DOORS ON THE SIDE.
WE WERE ADDRESSING ONLY THE FRONT FACADE WITH THE DOORS.
THAT'LL BE PART OF WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU COME BACK.
BUT THEY, THEY JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY, UH, COVERED THAT, THAT SECOND FRONT DOOR.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING.
YOU HAVE AN EXTRAORDINARY PROPERTY.
IT'S BEEN ALTERED SIGNIFICANTLY OVER SOME TIME, BUT IF YOU GO BACK THE WAY IT WAS ORIGINALLY, YOU'LL HAVE A STUNNING PROPERTY AND I THINK YOU'D
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BE VERY HAPPY WITH IT.SO YOU MAY NOT BE HAPPY WITH US TODAY, BUT WE REALLY ARE NICE AND TRY TO HELP
AND, AND THE STAFF DID NOTE THAT IT HAD PROBABLY SOME TYPE OF A, WELL, A ROOF THAT WAS NON-COMBUSTIBLE, NON IT IS NON-COMBUSTIBLE, WHICH, WHICH MAY WOOD HAVE BEEN, IT MAY HAVE BEEN CLAY OR SLATE, UH, BECAUSE WOOD SHINGLES WOULD BE COMBUSTIBLE.
SO THE, THE MAP TELLS US YOU HAD TO A, AN A DIFFERENT ROOF BESIDES THAT.
SO YOU CAN EXPLORE THAT FURTHER.
SO IT MIGHT BE THE, THE FAULT SLATE MIGHT WORK.
SO ANYWAY, WE'D LOVE TO SEE YOU BACK SOMEDAY WITH FURTHER INQUIRIES ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
NOW THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE, I CAN'T, I CAN, SORRY.
YOU COULD HAVE A DUPLEX RETURN OR YOU COULD HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY AND JUST DON'T USE THAT DOOR EITHER WAY.
AND I KNOW WE HAVE PEOPLE WAITING TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT I REALLY MUST HAVE A BREAK.
I CANNOT LEAVE WHILE WE ARE IN SESSION.
SO CAN WE TAKE LIKE A SIX MINUTE UNTIL 3 25 LITTLE BREAK FOR NECESSITIES.
ITEM D 15 IS LOCATED AT 24 17 PARK ROW AVENUE COUNCIL DISTRICT SEVEN SOUTH BOULEVARD PARK GROVE, HISTORIC DISTRICT ITEM COA 26 DASH 4 96.
AND I'M MARCUS WATSON PRESENTING THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY MAIN STRUCTURE AND RELATED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY MAIN STRUCTURE AND RELATED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
WITH A FINDING OF FACT THAT THE CURRENT DESIGN OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE, SPECIFICALLY THE POP-UP CONFIGURATION AND BRICK COLOR IS NOT TYPICAL IN DETAIL TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND THAT WITHOUT APPROPRIATE REVISIONS AND FURTHER CONSIDERATION, IT WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
NOTE, FRONT YARDS, FRONT YARD SETBACKS IN THE ORDINANCE WERE MEASURED FROM THE SIDEWALK RATHER THAN THE LOT LINE.
THE GOAL WOULD BE THAT THE FRONT YARD SETBACK BE WITHIN FIVE FEET OF THE AVERAGE OF THE BLOCK FACE NOT 50 FEET.
THE PROPOSED SETBACK IS APPROPRIATE.
ALL OF THIS CONSIDERED THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT CURRENTLY CONSISTENT WITH WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION THREE B 5 36 DOES NOT MEET CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROWAN AT TWO FOR NON-CON NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES, OR THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD AND SHOULD BE REVISED AND SUBMITTED AND RESUBMITTED TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION APPROVED WITH THE SUGGESTION THAT THE CASE BE PRESENTED AS A COURTESY REVIEW.
FIRST COMMENT, CURRENT DESIGNS INCLUDING WINDOWS ON THE SIDE SHOULD BE SHORTER AND NOT ARCHED.
AND THAT GABLE OPENING SHOULD BE DENSE INSTEAD OF WINDOWS.
FRONT SETBACK SHOULD BE WITHIN THE AVERAGE OF A BLOCK.
FACE COLUMNS COULD BE MORE SUBSTANTIAL.
YOU, YOU'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE, HAVEN'T YOU? MR. WEST? YES, MA'AM.
START WITH YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOUR AFFIRMATION THAT YOU'RE GONNA TELL THE TRUTH.
RODERICK WEST 1512 COMMERCE STREET, ELLI, TEXAS SEVEN FIVE, UH, 2 0 1.
SO WHAT DO YOU WANT TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT? I WANT TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH ABOUT THE PROJECT.
UM, OKAY, WELL WHAT IS THAT CREW?
SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, UH, AS BEST AS WE CAN KEEP WITH THE SOUTH BOULEVARD PARK ROAD ARCHITECTURE VERNACULARS, WE SEE WE'VE, UH, CAN, ARE Y'ALL GONNA PUT THE DRAWINGS UP IF Y'ALL HAVE THAT? I DON'T SEE 'EM ON MY END.
SO SHE'S TWO STORY, UM, WITH A MIX BETWEEN BRICK AND, UH, STUCCO EXTERIOR.
WE'RE UTILIZING THE BRICK BASE COLUMNS WITH THE TAPERED WOOD COLUMNS TO GO WITH IT.
UH, WOOD DOORS AND WOOD WINDOWS.
UM, WE HAVE IT, UH, SIT SITUATED
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AS A FIRST ONE STORY HOUSE IN THE FRONT WITH A POPUP IN THE, THE BACK THAT IS SIMILAR TO SEVERAL HOUSES IN WHICH WE HAVE REFERENCED WITHIN THE SITE CONTEXT STUDY, UH, WITH THE PORT SHARE ON THE SIDE AND, UM, AND THE GARAGE AND DETACHED UNIT IN THE BACK.SO IF WE SEE HERE THE ON THE LEFT COLUMN, THE SECOND ONE FROM THE TOP, UH, SHOWS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING AS FAR AS HAVING THE ONE STORE STRUCTURE IN THE FRONT AND THEN POP OUT.
AND THEN, UH, THE FOURTH FROM THE TOP, UH, PICTURE ALSO SHOWS A SIMILAR TYPE OF SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE A FRONT PATIO, FRONT FIRST LEVEL, AND THEN THE, UH, SECOND STORY POPS UP IN THE BACK.
AND HERE YOU ALL SEE THE SITE PLAN SHOWING THE DIFFERENT SETBACKS THAT WE ARE ADHERING TO AS WELL AS THE FLOOR PLAN OR THE STRUCTURE AS WELL.
AND HERE'S WHERE WE'RE GETTING INTO THE ELEVATIONS, UH, SHOWING HOW THAT, UH, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WILL BE LIKE A ONE STORY STRUCTURE.
AND THEN THE PREDOMINANCE OF THE SECOND STORY IS ON THE SETBACK.
UM, AND AGAIN, SHOWING OFF THE DIFFERENT FACES THAT WILL BE BRICK AS WELL AS THE FACES THAT WILL BE STUCK AT.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ROOF TO BE IN A TAYLOR STYLE ROOF.
UH, SIMILAR THIS, UH, DIFFERENT HOUSES THAT WE WAS WITNESSED SOME THERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.
SO JUST REAL QUICK, UH, YEAH, HERE'S THE MATERIALS AND THE COLORS THAT WE'RE CALLING OUT HERE, UH, WANT TO KEEP WITH THE CRAFTING STYLE, UH, LANTERNS AND SUCH.
UH, AGAIN, THE WOOD WINDOWS, UH, THE STUCCO FINISH, THE BRICK FINISH, AND, UH, THE TEAR KIND OF FINISH ALONG WITH, UH, CALLING OUT THAT TAPE OF CALLING.
I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OR ALRIGHT.
UM, WHAT LED TO YOUR DESIRE TO AIM FOR A ONE STORY FRONT PART AND A TWO STORY BACK PART? I KNOW YOU FOUND A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES, BUT YOU FOUND MORE EXAMPLES WHERE IT'S EITHER ONE STORY OR IT'S TWO STORIES AND THE TWO STORIES LINE UP IN FRONT.
SO WHY NOT DO IT THAT WAY? WHAT WAS YOUR PREFERENCE? UH, THE FOUR SQUARE, UH, QUITE FRANKLY, UH, NOT SOMETHING THAT I'M THE MOST EXCITED ABOUT AND MY CLIENT, UH, WANTED TO MOVE TOWARDS SOMETHING DIFFERENT AS WELL.
AND SO WE WENT AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IDENTIFIED THE DIFFERENT VERNACULARS THAT WE SAW AND, UH, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW THE ONE STORY PATIO UP FRONT SO THAT MASS ISN'T ALL THE WAY UP FRONT, UH, WAS THE OPTION THAT WE WENT WITH AND SETTING BACK THAT TWO STORY MASS SO IT'S NOT AS DOMINANT, UH, ON THE THREE FACING FACADE.
UM, THERE, THERE IS A, A KEY DIFFERENCE THOUGH IN, IN YOUR EXAMPLES WHERE IT'S NOT ALL LINING UP IN THE FRONT.
ONE THING THAT MADE IT WORK BETTER IS YOU HAVE MORE DIFFERENT ROOFS POINTING DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS AND DOING DIFFERENT THINGS.
THOSE WERE MORE LIMITED NUMBER OF ROOFS AND THEY WERE SIMILAR TO EACH OTHER, SO IT HELD IT TOGETHER BETTER.
YOURS GETS A LITTLE BIT BUSY, IN MY OPINION.
NOBODY ELSE'S OPINION MAYBE, BUT I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT AND IF THERE WAS ANY WAY YOU THOUGHT YOU COULD SEE YOUR WAY CLEAR TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, THE BEAUTY OF A FOURSQUARE IS IT'S A SIMPLE GEOMETRY.
SO BE THINKING IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT IF OTHER PEOPLE JOIN ME IN A, IN, IN MY OPPOSITION TO THAT, THAT ASPECT OF IT THAT YOU COULD MAKE IT DIFFERENT.
OTHER COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I THINK WHAT YOU DESIGNED IS KIND OF A HYBRID BETWEEN A BUNGALOW AND A AND A PRAIRIE FOUR SQUARE, WHICH THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THAT IN THE DISTRICT.
THERE IS ONE HOUSE THAT IS AN AIRPLANE BUNGALOW, WHICH IS NOT WHAT YOU'VE DESIGNED, UH, THAT BASICALLY IS, UH, A ONE STORY STRUCTURE THAT HAS A SMALL SECTION ON THE TOP, WHICH KIND OF IS A, IS A LEGITIMATE STYLE.
UM, ON PARK ROW, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN SOUTH BOULEVARD.
THERE'S A, THERE ARE TWO STYLES THAT I KNOW OF, WHICH ARE THE CALIFORNIA BUNGALOWS, WHICH ARE VERY PREVALENT AND A FEW ONE TWO STORY, UM, FOR PRAIRIE FOURSQUARES.
SO THE ROCK ARE PRETTY MUCH, YOU WANNA ONE STORY CALIFORNIA BUNDLE OR DO YOU WANT A TWO STORY PRAIRIE FOURSQUARE? THOSE ARE THE OPTIONS IT SEEMS TO ME.
IF YOU TAKE WHAT YOU HAVE AND JUST PULL IT FORWARD, PUT PUT A TWO STORY SECTION TOWARD THE FRONT, PULL IT FORWARD, YOU HAVE WHAT YOU WANT.
YOU, YOU COULD ACTUALLY MAKE THE BUILDING PROBABLY A LITTLE SMALLER ON THE, ON THE GROUND AND YOU'D BE DONE.
I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE LOOKS PRETTY GOOD.
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I THINK YOU GOT A LITTLE BIT OF TUTOR IN THERE TOO, UH, WITH THE ARCHES.UM, YEAH, I THINK THE, UH, THE MASSING IS, I, I AGREE WITH THE, THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS THAT, UH, THE MASSING IS JUST A LITTLE JUMBLED.
UM, AND IT IS A EFFECTIVELY A MASHUP OF PROBABLY THREE DIFFERENT STYLES.
I I DO AGREE WITH MOVING THE MASS OF THE SECOND FLOOR FORWARD JUST BECAUSE OF THE, THE SHEER SIZE OF IT.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER, UM, BUNGALOWS THAT, THAT I'M ASSUMING YOU ARE TRYING TO END NECK, THE SECOND FLOOR DOESN'T NECESSARILY GO SIDE THE FULL FOOTPRINT SIDE TO SIDE.
UH, AND THAT MIGHT BE WHAT'S THROWING THAT, THAT MASS OFF.
UM, I KNOW THIS ISN'T A COURTESY REVIEW, IT'S ACTUALLY A, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE COMING FOR A FULL APPROVAL, BUT, UM, YEAH, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S JUST GONNA BE SOME MAJOR ISSUES WITH THE, WITH THE MASSING.
UM, I THINK YOUR ATTENTION TO THE DETAILS ARE, ARE SPOT ON.
UM, I, I CAN REALLY APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, YOUR COLUMN DESIGNS.
I MEAN, THE DETAILS ARE THERE.
UM, IT'S JUST SIMPLIFYING IT A BIT.
UM, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT'LL NEED, BUT UNFORTUNATELY I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS, UM, SUBMISSION TODAY.
UM, HAPPY TO GIVE YOU SOME SUGGESTIONS.
UM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S MY FEELING.
I'M JUST GONNA JUMP IN HERE AND CONCUR AS WELL.
I CONCUR ON THE LAST TWO COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS TO ME, IT'S, YOU'RE TRYING THE FRONT OF IT LOOKS KIND OF WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER THAT, EXCUSE ME, THAT JUST ME
IT, TO ME, IT, IT SEEMED LIKE, UM, UH, IT WE'RE, YOU'RE PUTTING, UH, UH, THE FRONT OF IT A CRAFTSMAN TOWARDS ANOTHER ENTITY, UH, AND THE, IT'S NOT SPEAKING TO EACH OTHER.
THE MASS IS AN ISSUE, BUT ALSO HOW THE RELATIONSHIP IS GOING TO BE CARRIED OUT THROUGH TO KEEP GRASPING.
YOU SAID THAT THE RELATIONSHIP ISN'T CARRYING OUT, GRASPING ONCE.
I'M JUST CONCURRING ON WHAT THE LAST TWO COMMISSIONERS SAID.
UH, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO, TRYING TO GET MY HANDS AROUND IT BEING A ONE COMPLETE CRAFTSMAN TYPE OF LOOK OR THE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GO FOR.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S TOO, UH, IT'S GOT A COUPLE OF CHARACTERISTICS THAT IS, UH, COMPETING AGAINST EACH OTHER AND IT'S NOT SPEAKING AS ONE DESIGN.
I HAVE A MOTION, I HAVE A MOTION IF, IF I MAY ASK A QUESTION REAL QUICK, UH, BEFORE THE MOTION, UH, FOR THE COMPETING DESIGNS.
ARE Y'ALL, ARE THERE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT Y'ALL BE ABLE TO POINT TO, UH, THAT WE CAN MOST ADDRESS IN ORDER TO GET IT TO WHERE Y'ALL BELIEVE IT IS SPEAKING THE SAME LANGUAGE OR SPEAKING THE LANGUAGE OF SOUTH BOULEVARD PARK ROAD OUTSIDE OF IT BECOMING A FOUR SQUARE? YEAH, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENTS.
UM, I THINK IF YOU BRING THAT UPPER STORY MASS FORWARD AND THEN JUST DO A SIMPLE PORCH ACROSS THE FRONT, UM, THAT'S ONE GABLE INSTEAD OF TWO GABLES, UM, I THINK YOU'RE THERE.
I MEAN, HONESTLY, AND THEN PROBABLY ELIMINATE YOUR, UM, YOUR ARCHES.
MAYBE IT'S LIKE ONE SINGLE ARCH THAT GOES INSTEAD OF THE, THE THREE.
IT, IT'S JUST A WHOLE LOT OF, OF, UH, OF, UH, DETAIL UNNECESSARY DETAILING IN MY MIND.
UH, ON, ON THE PORT CASHIER PART WITH THE ROOM UP ABOVE.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S VERY COMMON, SUPER NICE DETAIL, BUT I THINK THERE CAN DEFINITELY BE SOME SIMPLIFICATION OF THAT.
UM, YEAH, THE THING ABOUT TAKING THAT PORCH ALL THE WAY ACROSS IS YOU'VE GOT A NICE SIZE PORCH WHERE THE FRONT DOOR IS AND THEN IT REALLY SKINNYS UP WHERE YOU CAN'T REALLY USE IT ON THE REST OF IT.
AND IF IT WAS JUST THAT SAME WIDTH ALL THE WAY ACROSS, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE THERE, YOU'RE, YOU'D BE GOLDEN.
AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THOSE DOUBLE GABLES ARE UPSETTING YOU TO WHERE YOU WOULD WANNA SEE ONE SINGLE ONE INSTEAD OF LIKE ANNOUNCING WHERE THAT, WHERE THAT FRONT DOOR IS? YES, SIR.
I, YEAH, I THINK SIMPLIFICATION WOULD BE, WOULD BE THE WAY TO GO.
THE ONLY OTHER DETAIL THAT I SEE ARE THE ARCHED WINDOWS ON THOSE GABLE ENDS REALLY ARE NOT TYPICAL TO THAT STYLE.
SO YOU COULD DO A, A, A THREE GAINED WINDOW IN ONE AND THEN BREAK UP THAT LARGER MASS.
UM, ALTHOUGH THE KIND OF TALL SKINNY WINDOWS ARE NOT APPROPRIATE.
BUT I THINK THAT'S MINOR DETAIL.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THAT
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WAS HIS FIRST ITERATION AND THE, THE SECOND ITERATION IS ALSO IN YOUR PACKET WHERE HE DID ELIMINATE THE OKAY.YEAH, I WAS LIKE, DID WE LEAVE SOME ARCH WINDOWS ON THERE? UM, DID HE SAY SOMETHING? I DIDN'T, I THOUGHT HE ASKED ME A QUESTION.
I WAS, I WAS THINKING, I WAS LOOKING AROUND TO SEE IF WE LEFT SOME ARCH WINDOWS ON THERE, SO I'M GLAD, UM, Y'ALL WERE CALLED OUT TO THE FACT THAT THIS IS, UH, UPDATED DESIGN.
SO I HAVE A MOTION, UM, REGARDING, UH, UH, LET'S SEE, UH, 24 17 PARK ROAD AVENUE, UM, CASE NUMBER COA 2 6 4 9 6 THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
SORRY, I HAD MY MICROPHONE OFF FOR THOSE AT HOME.
WE JUST VOTED FOR YES, IF YOU WANTED TO.
SO ALL OF THOSE, ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? OKAY.
COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN, ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? YES.
SO IT APPEARS THAT UNANIMOUSLY THE MOTION HAS CARRIED, UH, YOU, YOU TWO, MR. WEST HAVE A, YOU DO HAVE A DENIAL, THEREFORE YOU COULD APPEAL TO CPC AGAIN FOR A FEE.
AND AGAIN, THEY WOULD JUST REVIEW WHETHER THEY THOUGHT WE WERE PREVIOUSLY AN ERROR AND, UM, WOULD LIKELY KICK IT BACK TO US.
WE'VE GIVEN YOU SOME ADVICE, UM, STAFF COULD CLARIFY SOME OF THAT AND, AND IF YOU WANT TO WORK WITH THEM, AND WE HOPE THAT NEXT TIME WE SEE YOU AGAIN AND IT WILL COME BACK JUST RIGHT.
OKAY, TAYLOR MEANS ON BEHALF OF STAFF READING IN ITEM D 19 TWO SL TWO SIX SLASH 3 1 6 3 A, LOCATED AT 3 8 3 1 WILDER STREET IN QUEEN CITY, COA NUMBER TWO SIX DASH 0 0 0 4 6 9.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMODEL AN EXISTING HOME, INCLUDING WINDOW AND DOOR MODIFICATIONS, THE CHIMNEY REMOVAL, RAFTER TAIL REMOVAL, REPLACING THE 1 1 7 SIDING WITH FIBER CEMENT SIDING, REPLACING THE FRONT DOOR BRACKET REMOVAL, REPLACING AN EXISTING CHAIN LINK FENCE AND ADDING A REAR PORCH.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE TO REMODEL THE EXISTING HOME, INCLUDING THE WINDOW DOOR MODIFICATIONS, CHIMNEY REMOVAL, WRAPPER TAIL REMOVAL, REPLACING THE 1 1 7 SIDING WITH FIBER CEMENT, REPLACING THE FRONT DOOR BRACKET REMOVAL, REPLACING THE EXISTING CHAIN LINK FENCE AND ADDING A REAR PORCH BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
BUT THE FINDING OF FACT THAT CHANGING THE WINDOW TO DOOR CONFIGURATION, REMOVING THE CHIMNEY, REMOVING AND REMOVING ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AND CHANGING THE SIDING WILL HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE STRUCTURE AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE PROPOSED WORK THEREFORE DOES NOT MEET CITY CODE SECTION 54 A FOR 0.501 G SIX CTI FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND OR THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
TASK FORCE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT NUMBER ONE 17 SITING BE PLACED BACK ON.
THE HOME WINDOWS NEED TO BE ONE OVER ONE ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH WOOD TRIM RAFTER TAILS NEED TO BE EXPOSED.
THE FRONT DOOR NEEDS TO BE A CRAFTSMAN STYLE DOOR.
THE SECOND FRONT DOOR NEEDS TO BE REOPENED AND AN APPROPRIATE REPLACEMENT FENCE BE SUBMITTED FORWARD OR GEAR.
ARE YOU MR. PAYNE OR MR. SANCHEZ? MR. PAYNE.
IS YOUR MICROPHONE ON? TRY IT.
SO YOU START WITH YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
ADDRESS IS 1110 NORA LANE, HORNEY, TEXAS 7 5 1 5 0.
UM, AND YES, I WILL TELL THE TRUTH.
SO WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT? UM, I THINK ULTIMATELY WE BOUGHT THE PROJECT PRIOR TO KNOWING THAT IT WAS IN A HISTORICAL DISTRICT.
AND SO I THINK THE PLANS THAT WERE INITIALLY MADE WERE NOT BASED ON Y'ALL'S REQUIREMENTS.
I THINK THAT WE ARE COMPLETELY ON BOARD FOR MAKING WHATEVER MODIFICATIONS WE NEED TO MAKE.
UM, I THINK ULTIMATELY WE JUST WANT TO GET THE PROJECT
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APPROVED SO WE CAN GET IT BUILT OR REFURBISHED OR UPDATED OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE WANNA CALL IT.UM, SO WE CAN MOVE FROM FORNEY TO DALLAS.
UM, IT'S JUST A FAR DRIVE AND OUR HOUSE IS UP FOR SALE AND SO WE WANT TO GET THIS DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SO YOU ARE PLANNING IN RESIDING IN THIS HOUSE.
WE HAD HEARD YOU MIGHT OWN SOME OTHER BUILDINGS THAT YOU'VE WORKED ON.
I CAN'T KEEP THEM ALL STRAIGHT.
SO YOU WERE PLANNING ON MOVING INTO THIS HOUSE AND YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHEN YOU STARTED, BUT IT WAS ABOUT THE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? CORRECT.
HAVE YOU WEREN'T ALONE IN NOT KNOWING THAT
UM, I JUST, I I THINK THAT WHEN WE DID THE PLANS AGAIN, WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT, SO WE'RE ON BOARD FOR WHATEVER CHANGES.
UM, JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT THOSE CHANGES ARE.
I AND YOU'VE DONE SOME, YOU'VE DONE SOME OF THIS WORK ALREADY? YES, MA'AM.
HAVE YOU REMOVED THE CHIMNEY ALREADY? WE DID.
UM, VERY LITTLE WORK I WOULD SAY.
I MEAN, WE PROBABLY LOST SOME MONEY, BUT NOT A TERRIBLE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
DO YOU HAVE THE CHIMNEY MATERIALS? WAS IT BRICK? IT WAS ALREADY LIKE HALF GONE AND SO THEY JUST CONTINUED TO REMOVE IT IF WE HAVE TO PUT IT BACK UP THERE BECAUSE IT WAS LITERALLY JUST FOR THE WATER HEATER.
SO IF WE HAD TO ADD BRICK ON TOP OF THE ROOF, WE COULD TOTALLY DO IT.
I JUST, WELL, AND, UM, LET'S SEE.
WHY DON'T YOU LIKE RAFTER TAILS? OKAY.
I'VE GIVEN YOU A HINT WHAT YOUR ANSWER,
OH, I, I WAS ACTUALLY TALKING TO HIM EARLIER.
I THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LEAVE THEM, WHICH IS TOTALLY FINE.
BUT WE WANT TO PUT GUTTERS AND I THINK IT JUST LOOKS A LITTLE BIT CLEANER IF YOU HAVE IT COVERED, BUT WE'RE OKAY WITH, WITH THE RAPTOR TAILS, ARE THEY STILL THERE OR DID YOU ALREADY TAKE 'EM OFF? THEY'RE, THEY'RE COVERED SO THEY'RE COVERED WITH, OKAY.
'CAUSE THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER THAN IF YOU HAD TO GO BACK AND CUT A LITTLE PIECE TO REPLACE THE YEAH, NO, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF REMOVING THE COVERING, SO IT'S NOT A WHOLE BUNCH.
LIKE I SAID, WE DIDN'T DO A WHOLE BUNCH OF WORK, SO IT WOULD BE EASY TO, TO BRING THE RAPTORS.
COMMISSIONERS, I TOOK THE EASY LITTLE ONES.
YOU CAN ASK ABOUT
UM, NO, IT, FOR US, THERE'S A LOT OF CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS LIKE THE VENT, UH, OR RATHER THE GABLE VENTS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, THE TAPERED TRIM.
IT LOOKS LIKE ALL OF THAT'S BEEN TAKEN OFF.
UH, THE BRACKETS THAT HOLD OUT THE, THE OPEN, UM, UM, THE LAST RAPTORS ON THE, UH, ON THE FRONT OF THE GABLES AS WELL.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE, THOSE BRACKETS HAVE ALREADY BEEN REMOVED TOO.
UM, ALL THE SIDING, UM, DETAILS THE TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS.
I MEAN, AGAIN, THOSE ARE ALL CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS THAT HELP A, THAT MAKE A BUNGALOW LOOK LIKE A BUNGALOW, LIKE, LIKE A CRAFTSMAN LOOK LIKE A CRAFTSMAN.
AND WHEN ALL THOSE GET COVERED UP, THEN IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WE'VE JUST ERASED EVERYTHING THAT WAS HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT ABOUT IT.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY WE REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO BRING THOSE ELEMENTS BACK.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY WHAT I'M GONNA PROPOSE TODAY, AND I'M NOT SURE IF SOME OF ELSE MIGHT DO IT, IS TO, WE'RE JUST GONNA DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE, WHICH MEANS THAT, UM, UM, YOU CAN MAKE ANOTHER, UH, SUBMITTAL TO US.
I DON'T KNOW THAT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH CONDITIONS WE CAN PUT ON THIS, UM, TO GET IT TO PASS TODAY.
UM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S MY FEELING SO FAR.
ALSO, SOME THINGS, IF, IF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HE, IF HE'S WILLING TO SAY EXPOSE THE RAPTOR PALS, THAT'S A ROUTINE, SO IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU EVENTUALLY.
SEE HOW THE PROCESS DOES OR DOES NOT WORK? SO HOW LONG HAVE YOU OWNED THE BUILDING? TWO MONTHS.
YEAH, LITERALLY JUST BOUGHT IT.
AND DID YOU GET A BUILDING PERMIT? UH, NO.
AH, IF YOU GET A BUILDING FOR IT WOULD'VE TOLD YOU IT'S IN THE CITY STORY, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO NEXT TIME GET A, GET A PERMIT
I I, SO YOU'VE HAD IT JUST A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME.
ANYBODY ELSE? I HAVE A MOTION, UM, LET'S SEE.
IN THE CASE OF, UM, 38 31 WILDER STREET ALSO NO.
OR CASE NUMBER COA 2 6 4 6 9 THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
SECOND, WHO WAS THE SECOND? COMMISSIONER? ANDERSON WAS A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT THEN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION
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PLEASE SAY YES.ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, I UNDERSTAND THAT NOVEMBER IS COMING UP NEXT MONTH
UM, NOT SURE WHAT YOU WANNA DO ABOUT THAT, THAT, BUT YOU DO NEED TO COME BACK TO US.
UH, IS THE HOUSE HABITABLE? IF YOU'RE HARD, WHICH, WHICH HOUSE? YOUR HOUSE? THIS, THIS ONE.
THE 30, THE ONE THAT WE BOUGHT THAT WAS BOARDED UP.
IT'S NOT ACTUALLY NO, WE DIDN'T HAVE A PERMIT TO FINISH THE BUILDING, SO IT'S NOT HAPPENING.
SO I, YOU ARE IN A PICKLE AND I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT, BUT, UM, I WAS GONNA JUST REMIND YOU THAT YOU STILL HAVE TO GET A PERMIT.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE CURRENTLY IN VIOLATION WITH THEM, SO, SO WE CAN'T GET THE PERMIT UNTIL WE GET APPROVED FROM YOU GUYS APPROVAL, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO GET US, BUT YOU ALSO KEEP CONTACT, BUT WE HAVE A STOP ORDER.
SO WE'RE NOT DOING ANY WORK ON THE PROPERTY, IT'S JUST SITTING THERE WINDOWS.
THAT, THAT WAS MY POINT IS YOU'RE, YOU'RE STILL, YOU'LL STILL HAVE TO GO GET YOUR PERMIT FOR SURE AS SOON AS WE GET THE APPROVAL FROM YOU GUYS.
OKAY? SO, SORRY YOU ARE LEFT IN THIS SITUATION, BUT YOU KNOW, IT WILL BE A GREAT HOUSE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS REALLY GONNA BE INTERESTING TO LIVE IN.
THERE'S SO, SUCH A MIX OF PEOPLE THERE NOW AND MORE PEOPLE COMING IN.
YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA REALLY LIKE IT EVENTUALLY.
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NOW C3.OKAY, TAYLOR MEANS ON BEHALF OF STAFF READING IN ITEM C3 TWO SIX SLASH 3 1 4 6 A LOCATED AT 3 0 5 SOUTH EDGEFIELD AVENUE IN THE WIND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 6 0 0 0 4 6 5.
THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT A CERTIFICATE FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SPECIFICATIONS SUBMITTED ON SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2026.
BUT THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE WORK IS APPROPRIATE TO BOTH THE STRUCTURE AND THE DISTRICT AND WOULD NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS THEREFORE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87 1 11, A 17 F RENET THREE, AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G 66 I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND OR THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION APPROVED WITH THE COMMENTS OF EXPLORING THE ORIGINAL SIZE OF THE DOOR FENESTRATION COMPARED TO THE LOCATION OF THE SIDELIGHTS TASK FORCE BELIEVES THAT THE DOOR IS APPROPRIATE, BUT THE APPLICANT SHOULD CONSIDER LOOKING AT A DOOR WITH WOOD BOTTOM TO ALIGN WITH THE WOOD ON SIDELIGHTS TASK FORCE.
ALSO NOTES THAT THE DOOR MIGHT HAVE ORIGINALLY BEEN SEVEN FEET AND TO LOOK FOR EVIDENCE OF THE ORIGINAL FRAME.
AS PHDS HAVE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TOO, TO HARM WHEN WE CAN.
SO
UH, MY NAME IS SHARON CONRAD AND I LIVE AT 3 0 5 SOUTH EDGEFIELD AVENUE, UH, DALLAS, TWO, UH, 7 5 2 0 8.
AND I DO AFFIRM THAT I WILL TELL THE TRUTH TODAY.
OKAY, SO YOU ARE MOVED TO THE DISCUSSION ITEM SO WE CAN DISCUSS.
SO TELL US IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY, GO AHEAD AND DO THAT OR WE CAN JUST ASK YOU OUR QUESTIONS.
UM, ONLY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE AND THE FRONT DOOR IS, UM, IT KIND OF RESEMBLES A FRENCH DOOR IN THAT IT'S JUST THE, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PANELS.
IT'S PAINTED WHITE, IT'S BEEN, IT WAS PAINTED RED WHEN WE MOVED IN AND IT'S BEEN PAINTED SO MANY TIMES.
IT'S ACTUALLY ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO KEEP THE GLASS CLEAN.
UM, BUT, UH, WE DECIDED THAT WE WOULD LOVE TO UPDATE THE DOOR WITH THE WOOD DOOR, UM, THAT IS KIND OF A, AN ESPRESSO STAIN, UM, TO IT.
AND WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE COMMISSION ABOUT KIND OF ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ON THAT.
ALRIGHTYY COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS AS COMMISSIONER ANDERSON IS THE ONE THAT YES.
COMMISSIONER, I UNDERSTAND IT'S THE ONE THAT RECORD.
YES, I, I I JUST WANTED TO HAVE A LITTLE CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS.
IT APPEARS THAT THE, MY GUESS WOULD BE THAT THE DOOR THAT WAS IN THERE BEFORE WAS NOT ORIGINAL MM-HMM
BECAUSE WHAT YOU HAVE ARE SOME REALLY QUITE EXTRAORDINARY BEVEL, GLASS SIDELIGHTS.
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YES.AND THE, THE DOOR SHOULD KIND OF CELEBRATE THAT OR AT LEAST COORDINATE WITH IT.
AND IT APPEARS THAT THE ORIGINAL DOOR WOULD'VE BEEN THE SAME SIZE AS THE SIDELIGHTS, THOUGH THE OPENING WOULD'VE BEEN THE SAME SIZE AS THE SIDELIGHTS AND THE FRENCH DOOR THAT WAS THERE BEFORE.
AND EVEN WHAT I CALL PRAIRIE GRID ARE BOTH BEAUTIFUL DOORS, BUT I THINK THEY KIND OF CONFLICT WITH THE BIG SHOW, WHICH IS THE SIDELIGHTS.
YOU MIGHT CONSIDER A DOOR THAT MORE, LIKE MORE FITS THE SIDELIGHTS, BUT ALSO THAT IS MAYBE A SOLID GLASS OR BEVELED GLASS THAT WOULD THEN NOT COMPETE WITH THE SIDELIGHTS AND THAT THE SIDELIGHTS KIND OF SHOW AND THE DOOR WOULD BE KIND OF SUPPORTING THAT.
SO THAT WAS MY CONCERN THAT I THINK BOTH THE FRENCH SHOW THAT WAS THERE AND THEN, AND WHAT I CALL PRAIRIE GRID ARE GREAT DOORS, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT CONFLICT WITH THE, THE BEVELED GLASS AND MIGHT WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT.
UH, SO DOES ANYBODY ELSE AGREE WITH ME OR AM I JUST OFF? I I, YEAH.
UM, I THINK SOMETIMES THE GLASS OPENING OF THE DOOR IS LOWER THAN THE SIDELIGHTS, BUT MAYBE NOT HIGHER.
DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER ALTERNATIVE DOOR YOU HAD CONSIDERED DR. CONRAD? NOT REALLY.
I MEAN, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE, UM, THE TASK FORCE, UH, THIS QUESTION HAD BEEN RAISED ABOUT THE ORIGINAL DOOR LIKELY BEING DIFFERENT SIZE.
UM, AND IT, IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO, TO US WE LIKED KIND OF THIS STYLE OF PRAIRIE WITH THE KIND OF THIN, UM, WOOD BECAUSE THERE IS ON THE SIDELIGHTS THERE, AS THIS MENTIONED, THERE IS THIS LEADED GLASS WITH KIND OF THESE THIN PANELS.
UM, WITHOUT HAVING TO KIND OF RECONFIGURE THE ENTIRE DOOR TO MATCH THE SIDELIGHTS, UM, WE FOUND THAT WE THOUGHT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS KIND OF, UH, IN KEEPING WITH IT.
WE WOULD PREFER TO NOT GO WITH A SOLID GLASS JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HOPING TO GET SOME BASE, UH, WOOD AT THE BOTTOM JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT OF, OF ADDITIONAL SECURITY.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TAKE YOUR ADVICE ON RECOMMENDATIONS.
COMMISSIONER HARPER? YEAH, AND I APOLOGIZE, I'M MAYBE NOT EXACTLY CLEAR ON WHAT'S PROPOSED, BUT LOOKING AT THE CURRENT DOOR, I MEAN IT WAS, IT'S A, A HOME DEPOT DOOR THAT SOMEBODY PUT INTO A HISTORIC OPENING.
IT'S CLEAR WHEN YOU SEE THIS, THIS THE DOOR, THE SECTION OF THE SIDE OF THE DOOR WHEN IT'S OPEN.
BUT WHAT CONCERNED ME THIS WAS I THINK ADDRESSED BY THE TASK FORCE, IS THE HEAD HEIGHTS HAS BEEN LOWERED FROM THE ORIGINAL HEAD HEIGHT AND IT'S NOW SHORTER THAN THE SIDELIGHTS.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY 'CAUSE SOMEBODY INSTALLED AN AVAILABLE DOOR, THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A BREAK-IN OR SOMETHING AND THEY, WHO KNOWS? BUT IT WAS REPLACED WITH A DOOR THAT WAS READILY AVAILABLE.
AND I THINK WHAT WILL MAKE A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IS TO RAISE THAT HEAD HEIGHT BACK UP.
AND I WASN'T SURE IF THAT'S THE INTENTION IN THE APPLICATION.
UM, SECONDARY TO THAT, I I I WOULD TEND TO AGREE THAT TYPICALLY THE, THE LIGHT, THE BOTTOM RAIL WOULD BE THE SAME HEIGHT FROM THE DOOR IS ON THE TWO SIDELIGHTS TO THE SIDES.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S A IDEAL KILLER, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE THE HEAD HEIGHT WOULD MAKE A, A, A BIG DIFFERENCE IN MAKING IT LOOK MORE HISTORIC.
SO, UM, AND HOW DOES THE APPLICANT FEEL ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE THAT INVOLVES A BIT MORE CARPENT REPLACED IN THE DOOR.
YEAH, WE DEFINITELY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN KIND OF REFRAMING THE ENTIRE DOOR AND, AND GOING TO THAT LENGTH.
UM, SO WE ARE HOPING FOR A, A HAPPIER, SIMPLER SOLUTION BECAUSE THE DOOR ITSELF IS CURRENTLY, AS IT'S BEEN MENTIONED, IS NOT KIND OF HISTORIC OR PARTICULARLY INTERESTING.
UM, WE WERE HOPING TO GET THIS PRAIRIE STYLE DOOR PLACED WITH SOME BEVELING AROUND THE GLASS JUST TO KIND OF MIMIC SOME OF THE BEVELING THAT'S ON THE SIDELIGHTS, BUT WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN, IN KIND OF TAKING THAT NEXT STEP OF TAKING OUT THE ENTIRE DOOR AND RE YOU KNOW, COMING UP WITH A BRAND NEW OPENING AND, AND TAKING THOSE STEPS.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? UH, JUST A SUGGESTION.
YOU MIGHT TRY AN ARCHITECTURAL SALVAGE YARD, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR REED OR OR OTHERS LIKE THAT TO FIND, FIND SOMETHING MORE APPROPRIATE? UM, YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE A, A NUMBER OF OR A LOT OF EXPERIENCE TO TELL YOU TO SUGGEST A FEW PLACES, BUT, UH, THAT MIGHT BE YOUR, YOUR SIMPLEST SPIRIT.
WE DID GO TO, UM, THE SALVAGE, UM, LOCATION ON WHAT IS THAT EMPIRE CENTRAL, I THINK.
AND UM, THE DOOR THAT WE FOUND WAS KIND OF IN, UM, IT LOOKS PRETTY MUCH
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THE SAME AS THE ONE THAT WE PROPOSED AND, AND ONCE WE TALKED IT THROUGH, WE JUST DECIDED THAT TRYING TO GET THAT DOOR TO, YOU KNOW, TO LOOK, UM, AND TO FIT WOULD BE SO, WOULD BE PRETTY DRAMATIC IN COST AND, UM, DIDN'T THINK THAT IT WAS REALLY SOMETHING THAT WE WERE WANTING TO DO AT THIS TIME.AND SO YEAH, WE, WE DID LOOK AT SOME SALVAGE DOORS.
WE DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING WITH THE SAME EXACT, UM, HEIGHT AT THE BOTTOM FOR THE WOOD THAT KIND OF MATCHES OURS.
UM, DOES THE COMMISSION PROPOSE THAT WE CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR A DOOR THAT HAS THE EXACT SAME HEIGHT OF WOOD AT THE BOTTOM? MY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT IT IS, IS CLOSER IN SIZE, BUT ALSO THAT THE DOOR DOES NOT COMPETE WITH OR GRANDSTAND THE SIDELIGHTS, SO MM-HMM
I WOULD SUGGEST A VERY SIMPLE DOOR THAT REALLY MAKES THE SIDELIGHTS THE BIG, THE BIG SHE MM-HMM
BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHERE IT'S AT.
IT'D BE VERY HARD AND EXPENSIVE TO HAVE A BEVELED GLASS DOOR CREATED AND IT MAY HAVE HAD A BEVELED GLASS DOOR ORIGINALLY, BUT THAT'S NOT PRACTICAL.
SO WOULD A DOOR WITH ONE WINDOWED OPENING OR SOMETHING SIMPLE, ONE OPENING OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD, WOULD BE LIKE THAT? YEAH.
WE ARE HOPING TO NOT ADD MORE GLASS TO THE DOOR.
YOU WANT LESS GLASS FOR SECURITY? YEAH.
YOU CAN SEE THE PICTURES THAT CREATED.
WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE COMMISSIONERS OVER HERE.
ON THE LEFT WHERE I NEVER LOOK.
SO COMMISSIONER REEVES, THE HOUSE I GREW UP IN, THE SIDE LIGHTS WERE ALMOST TO THE FLOOR AND THE, THE GLASS AND THE DOOR WAS PROBABLY TOO THAT.
SO THEY DON'T ALWAYS LINE UP IS WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE THINKING AND THAT COULD THAT I THINK THAT COMMISSIONER KY IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF COMM OR A FEW COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE PERSONAL PREFERENCES OF WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE, BUT IT IS OUR JOB TO VOTE ON PERSONAL PREFERENCES OR IF THIS DOOR IS CONSISTENT WITH THE STATUTE AND MEETS PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
UM, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF, UH, IN, IN FOLLOW THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
I AM, I I HEAR THE LAWYER AND YOU TALKING THAT WE TO THE LETTER.
I WOULD HOPE THAT WHEN PEOPLE SAY PERS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OR I PREFER, THEY MEAN I THINK THIS WOULD BETTER COORDINATE WITH THE, UM, ORDINANCE, BUT UM, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK WE REFLECT THINGS FROM OUR PERSONAL TASTE, BUT REFLECT THINGS FROM OUR EXPERIENCE.
I, I HOPE THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE SAYING.
THAT'S WHAT I ALWAYS TAKE IT THAT I'M HEARING.
BUT IF WE ARE READY, WE ALREADY KNOW THE APPLICANT HAS, IS NOT INTERESTED IN SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT WE HAVE MADE.
WHO WANTS TO MAKE THE MOTION? UNLESS YOU HAVE A EASY IDEA OF WHAT DOOR WOULD WORK AND I CAN'T THINK OF ONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE MUCH GLASS UNLESS IT WAS ONE SMALL PLAIN WINDOW AT THE TOP.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION AND SEE WHERE IT GOES.
CASE NUMBER 26 DASH 31 46 A, UH, 3 0 5 SOUTH EDGEFIELD AND MOVE TO DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
DOORS NOT SIZED OR COMPATIBLE WITH THE ORIGINAL BEVEL.
GLASS SIDELIGHTS WORK WITH STAFF TO FIND A DOOR THAT IS MORE COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING SIDELIGHTS.
COMMISSIONER PREZI IS SECONDED.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER PREZI.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION THAT AT LEAST IF WE DON'T LIKE THIS, WHEN SOMEBODY THINK OF SOMETHING WE MIGHT LIKE, I'LL NOT BE SUPPORTING IT
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS? NO, I WOULD SUPPORT THEIR MOTION.
I THINK, UM, YOU COULD GET MAYBE JUST A LITTLE BIT, UH, YOU A LITTLE FURTHER INTO, UH, WHAT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE THERE IF YOU PAUSED AND JUST WORK WITH STAFF.
I THINK IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA TO DO THAT, SO I THINK THAT'S A POSITIVE IDEA, SO I WOULD SUPPORT THEIR MOTION.
ANYTHING ELSE? MAY, MAY I JUST MAKE ONE OTHER COMMENT? WHAT IS YOUR COMMENT? WELL, ONLY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING DOOR IS INAPPROPRIATE AND WOULD NOT MEET ANYONE STANDARDS TO BEGIN WITH.
UM, AND SO ANYWAY, I JUST, WE'LL LIKELY LEAVE THE DOOR.
UM, WE WILL TALK WITH THE STAFF IF THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION, BUT IN THE END WE WILL, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HATE THE DOOR AND SO WE'LL PROBABLY JUST LEAVE THE EXISTING DOOR AS IT IS.
SO IN THE EVENT OF A DENIAL, YOU'LL PROBABLY JUST STICK WITH WHAT? YEAH.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE
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SAY YES.COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY? I SAID YES.
DISTRICT EIGHT COMMISSIONER RONANKI.
DISTRICT 11 COMMISSIONER IN TORONTO? YES.
AND COMMISSIONER RE UH, REESE? NO AS FOUR NOTES.
UM, SO WE HAVE A DENIAL ON THIS ONE.
UM, YOU CAN APPEAL FOR A FEE TO CPC.
YOU COULD ALSO TALK TO STAFF AND SEE IF THERE IS A SIMPLE AND EASY SOLUTION THAT WE'LL GET SOMETHING BEST US.
UM, IF I DO WORK, IF WE DO WORK WITH THE STAFF, WOULD I HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION TO GET THAT RECOMMENDED DOOR APPROVED? YEAH.
YEAH, WE'D HAVE TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
HORRORS OF HORRORS, YOU KNOW,
SO NOT A HORROR, BUT NOT WORTH IT PROBABLY.
BUT STAFF COULD APPROVE IF YOU JUST WANNA BUY A NEW VERSION THAT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THE ONE YOU'VE GOT.
SORRY THAT WORKED OUT THAT WAY, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE CHANGING TO MOVING TO 17 OR, UH, YEAH, I HAVE A MOTION THAT WE REARRANGE THE AGENDA TO TAKE, UH, CASE NUMBER 17 AS WE HAVE THAT APPLICANT ONLINE AND THEN WE WILL CONTINUE WITH 11, 12, 13, AND 16 AFTER THAT.
OKAY? OH YES, WE DO HAVE THIS A MOTION, ISN'T IT? YEAH.
SO COMMISSIONER RAISES A SECOND.
IT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES.
NOW TAYLOR MEANS ON BEHALF OF STAFF READING IN D 17 NUMBER TWO SIX DASH 3 16 1 A, LOCATED AT 3 9 1 3 LATIMER STREET, ALSO IN THE QUEEN CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT CO A TWO SIX DASH 0 0 0 4 5 1.
THIS IS A REQUEST OF FOR, FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMODEL AN EXISTING HOME DUE TO A HOUSE FIRE, INCLUDING REPLACING WOOD WINDOWS WITH ALUMINUM ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS, REPLACING A MIXTURE OF SIDING WITH ALL 1 1 7 SIDING TO REPLACE THE ROOF WITH SHINGLES IN THE COLOR OF PEWTER GRAY AND REPAYING THE SIDING W2 8 3 9 ROY CROFT COPPER RED, AND THE TRIM SW 2 8 3 4 BIRD'S EYE MAPLE.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST TO REMODEL THE EXISTING HOME DUE TO A HOUSE SPIDER, INCLUDING THE REPLACING OF THE WOOD WINDOWS OF ALUMINUM 1 0 1 WINDOWS REPLACING MIXED SIDING WITH ALL 1 1 7 SIDING AND REPAINTING THE SIDING SW 2 8 39 RORY COPPER RED AND THE TRIMS W2 83 4 BIRDSEYE MAPLE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SPECIFICATIONS SUBMITTED ON SEPTEMBER 10TH, 2026 WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS BE REPAIRED IF FEASIBLE AND IF REPLACED THAT THEY BE ALL WOOD WINDOWS FOR EXACTLY TO EXACTLY MATCH THE ORIGINAL AND SIZE MATERIAL AND CONFIGURATION.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET CITY CODE SECTION 5 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C
AND WE, UH, WE HAVE A SPEAKER ONLINE.
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OKAY.UH, MR. VO, WE, UM, WE DO HAVE TO HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON SO WE CAN SEE YOU.
IT IS A STATE RULE FOR PUBLIC MEETINGS.
I'M DRIVING NOW, SO I'M, I APOLOGIZE.
I WAS AT AN OFFICE FOR LIKE TWO HOURS JUST WAITING ON THE CALL AND JUST LISTENING TO EVERYBODY, BUT I HAVE TO GO, I HAD TO GO TO GO PICK UP, BUT THE KIDS FROM SCHOOL NOW, SO.
SO I NEED YOU TO, I NEED YOU TO START WITH YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND AFFIRM THAT YOU'RE GOING TO TELL US THE TRUTH, OKAY? YES.
IS THIS MY HOME ADDRESS OR IS THIS THE CUSTOMER'S ADDRESS? YOUR ADDRESS? OKAY.
I LIVE AT 51 37 AUSTIN RIDGE, DRIVE, FORT WORTH, TEXAS 7 6 1 7 9.
AND I WILL SAY THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH.
UM, SO BEGIN BY TELLING US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.
I DUNNO IF YOU HEARD OUR BRIEFING.
WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS, BUT, WE'LL, WE CAN ASK YOU QUESTIONS AND THEN YOU CAN ANSWER.
SO OUR PROJECT IS JUST PRETTY MUCH UPDATING THE HOUSE.
UM, WE'RE GONNA PAINT THE HOUSE, UH, TWO COLORS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
UM, WE ARE ALSO, UM, GONNA UPDATE, UH, A FEW OF THE, UH,
AND WE ARE ALSO REPLACING THE SPRINKLES, YOU KNOW, ON, ON THE HOUSE.
UM, THE EXISTING PREEXISTING SH HOLES ARE OLD AND, AND PLAIN TO BE REPLACED AND I'M REPLACING THEM WITH A-A-G-A-F LINE.
UH, AND, BUT THE COLOR IS LIKE A EITHER GRAY COLOR.
I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY EASY, PRETTY, IT'S PRETTY QUICK.
NOW COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
I CAN MAKE A MOTION IF THAT WILL HELP MOVE THIS ALONG.
UH, ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'M SORRY.
UM, I THOUGHT SOMEONE WOULD HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT BECAUSE WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, BUT IF WE WANTED TO GO AHEAD WITH A MOTION, THEN THAT'S ALL ANYBODY HAS, THEN WE WOULD GO AHEAD WITH A MOTION COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
UH, IN THE, UM, IT CASE 26, YOU MIGHT WANNA BE CLEAR INTO YOUR MICROPHONE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL HE CAN HEAR.
WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE HEARING HIM.
OH, IS THAT OKAY? ON CASE 36 DASH 31 61 A 39 13 LATIMER STREET IN QUEEN CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I RECOMMEND FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAT THE SIDING, I MEAN THAT THE ROOF SHINGLES BE PEWTER GRAY AND THE, AND TO CONSIDER LETTER COLOR LIKE WHITE CENT.
COULD YOU REPEAT THAT AGAIN?
WITH ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAT THE ROOF SHINGLES BE COLOR PEWTER GRAY, AND THEY CONSIDER A LIGHTER CREAM COLOR LIKE WHITE HY.
IT'S, IT'S, I'M DOING A LITTLE HYBRID STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH SOME OF THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION TO COVER ALL THE BASES.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND THEN PART OF THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
IF THERE ARE NO COMMENTS, THEN IT'S TIME TO VOTE ON THIS MOTION.
ALL, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
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ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.AND SO YOU CAN GO DO YOUR WORK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND, AND DRIVE SAFELY.
AND REMEMBER THERE ARE CONDITIONS ON IT AND MAKE SURE YOU CHECK WITH STAFF TO GET YOUR FINAL, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'LL MAKE SURE YOU'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
HAVE ALRIGHT, HAVE A GOOD DAY.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ONLINE, DO WE? I DON'T THINK SO.
I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH APPLICANTS WHO WANTED TO CHAT WITH US.
I DON'T SEE ANYBODY WITH THAT NAME.
UM, CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 11 7 0 6 NORTH BEACON STREET, JUNIORS HEIGHTS, HISTORIC DISTRICT COA 26 0 0 0 4 8 3 REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A CARPORT ON THE DRIVER'S SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A CARPORT ON THE DRIVEWAY SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT A COVERED STRUCTURE IN A SIDE YARD IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE OR THE DISTRICT SHOULD BE LOCATED IN THE REAR YARD AND MUST BE AT LEAST EIGHT FEET FROM THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
THEREFORE, THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION NINE, CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES OR THE SECRETARY OF INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTINGS.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT THE CARPORT ON THE DRIVEWAY SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE SITE PLAN WITH DIMENSIONS IS SUBMITTED TO DETERMINE CARPORT LOCATION IS APPROPRIATE AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT REPORT.
UH, ALRIGHT, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF, ASK IT.
IF YOU DON'T MAKE A MOTION MM-HMM
ANYONE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROOM MIGHT MAKE A MOTION MOTION THAT, UM, IN CO A 26 DASH 0 0 0 4 8 3, UM, ADDRESS BEING, UH, 7 0 6 NORTH BEACON STREET, UM, JUNIOR HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT COA 26 DASH 0 0 0 4 8 3, THAT WE FOLLOWED THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND DENIED THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UH, WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES.
OKAY, D 12 DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 12 53 21 VICTOR OH, CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 12 53 21 VICTOR STREET, JUNIOR HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CO OA 26 0 0 0 4 6 3 REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO POUR A 16 BY 26 BRUSH CONCRETE DRIVEWAY IN FRONT YARD.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO POUR 16 BY 26 BRUSH CONCRETE DRIVEWAY IN FRONT YARD BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE FINDING.
IN FACT THAT PARKING AREAS ARE NOT PERMITTED IN THE FRONT YARD MUST BE REPLACED CONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL STYLE AND HAS AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THEREFORE, THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 3.3, CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND OR THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR GUIDELINES FOR SETTINGS.
AND I JUST WANT TO NOTE, I HAVE SPOKE WITH THE APPLICANT AND THEY UNDERSTAND THEIR MOTION FOR THIS.
TODAY'S AND TODAY'S MEETING AND THEY'RE GOING TO SUBMIT A NEW APPLICATION WITH THE MORE COMPREHENSIVE AND HOPEFULLY AMENABLE PROPOSAL.
TO THE LOCATION OF THE DRIVEWAY.
IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
UH, CAN I QUICK? OH, TASK FORCE HAS TO OKAY.
CAN I MAKE, I, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS SLIGHTLY.
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE DENY WITH PREJUDICE, UM, SO THAT IT CAN NEVER BE IN THE FRONT YARD.
IT WILL NOT KEEP THEM FROM COMING BACK FOR A DRIVEWAY AND SOMEWHERE ELSE.
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AND IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
DO WE NEED TO READ IN TASK FORCE? OH YEAH.
AS FOR RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT THE CARPORT ON THE DRIVEWAY SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE SITE PLAN WITH DIMENSIONS IS SUBMITTED TO DETERMINE CARPORT LOCATION IS APPROPRIATE AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ORDINANCE.
DO WE HAVE SOMEBODY MAKING A MOTION? YES.
UH, ON THE CASE OF COA DASH 26 DASH 0 0 4 6 3, ADDRESS, 5 3 2 1 VICTOR STREET.
I MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, TO FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, THAT WE WILL, WELL ACTUALLY, UH, BEYOND THAT AS, UH, DISCUSSED DENY WITH PREJUDICE MM-HMM
UH, AND THE FINDING OF THE FACT THAT THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
ANYBODY SECOND? AYE I SECOND IS RES.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED MARKING CARRIED, STAFF WILL NOTIFY THE APPLICANT EVERYTHING.
YOU SHOULD NOTIFY THE APPLICANT.
CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 13 58 34 VICTOR STREET, JUNIOR HEIGHTS, HISTORIC DISTRICT COA 26 0 0 0 4 8 5 UH, REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PLACE ONE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOW WITH A NEW GEL GEL WIND SIGHT LINE ALL WOOD WINDOW IN THE MATCHING DIMENSIONS.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ONE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOW WITH NEW JIN SIGHTLINE, ALL WOOD WINDOWS IN THE MATCHING DIMENSIONS BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT REPLACEMENT RATHER THAN RESTORATION.
THEREFORE, THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION SECTION 5.1, CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND AWARD THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR GUIDELINES FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE TO REPLACE ONE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOW WITH THE NEW
ALRIGHT, ANYONE HAVE A MOTION? YEAH.
MOTION IN THE, UH, CASE NUMBER COA.
UH, CASE NUMBER COA 26 DASH 0 0 4 8 5.
UH, WITH THE ADDRESS, WHAT IS THE ADDRESS ON HERE? I, THERE IT GOES.
UM,
SECTION 5.1, CODE FIVE ONE A 4.501 G SIX C FIVE THREE SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THE MOTION HAS CARRIED.
PLEASE CONTACT THE APPLICANT AND WE HAVE D 16 LEFT.
I'M SO HAPPY TAYLOR MEANS ON BEHALF OF STAFF READING IN DISCUSSION.
ITEM 16 2 6 DASH 3 1 16 0 A LOCATED AT 2 3 1 2 JORDAN STREET IN THE QUEEN CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT, COA NUMBER 2 6 1 0 0 0 4 0 1.
THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RE MODEL THE EXISTING HOME, INCLUDING MODIFYING WINDOW AND DOOR FENESTRATIONS, REPLACING THE ASPHALT ROOF WITH A METAL ROOF, REPLACING THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS AND INSTALLING A FRONT AND REAR SIDE DOOR FENCE.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS REQUEST IS THAT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMODEL AN EXISTING CROSS INSTALL HOME, INCLUDING MODIFYING WINDOW AND DOOR FENESTRATIONS, REPLACING THE ASPHALT ROOF WITH THE METAL
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ROOF AND REPLACING THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS AND INSTALLING A FRONT AND REAR SIDE YARD FENCE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO THE STRUCTURE OR HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE DISTRICT.
THE PROPOSED WORK THEREFORE DOES NOT MEET CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX CI FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES OR THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR GUIDELINES FOR REHABILITATION.
DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT THE HOME BE RESTORED TO ITS ORIGINAL FABRIC, INCLUDING THE METAL ROOF WILL BE REPLACED WITH AN ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF THAT ALL WINDOWS BE ALUMINUM WITH LIGHT TRIM WITH THE FRONT DOOR BE REPLACED WITH A CRAFTSMAN STYLE DOOR.
THAT, THAT THE IRON COLUMNS BE PLACED BACK ON THE HOME, DECIDING TO GO BACK TO 105 SIDING AND THAT THE FRONT FENCE BE NO MORE THAN THREE FOOT SIX INCHES AND THE SIDE FENCE BE MOVED BACK TOWARDS THE REAR.
ANYONE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ONE? I HAVE A MOTION, I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
ALL THIS WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.
UM, HOW PREVALENT IS THE METAL ROOF? IS IT REALLY OBVIOUS OR NOT? IT'S, IT DEFINITELY STANDS OUT.
UM, IT'S THE COLOR THAT WE BROUGHT THE METAL TO YOU BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY NOT, IT'S NOT THE, THE APPROPRIATE MATERIAL, BUT IT'S ALSO THE COLOR.
WOULDN'T YOU SAY IT IS STARK BLACK? YEAH.
UM, REGARDING CASE NUMBER D 16 OR YEAH, DISCUSSION ITEM D 16, UM, 2312 JORDAN STREET.
UM, CASE NUMBER COA 2 6 4 0 1 THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
SO THAT ONE CARRIED AS WELL AND STAFF CAN TALK TO THEM.
WE HAVE TWO MORE BITS OF BUSINESS.
WE HAVE TO VOTE ON OUR CALENDAR FOR NEXT YEAR.
ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PROPOSED CALENDAR? THEN I NEED A MOTION.
I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPTS THE, UH, POST CALENDAR FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION FOR 2027.
AND DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND MOVE THAT ZAKI.
ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, WE GOT THAT.
DID ANYBODY NEED ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES AS THEY WERE FED FOR US? ALRIGHT THEN.
DOES SOMEONE HAVE MOTION? I MOVE.
DID WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES? THANK YOU.
WE HAVE A SECOND FROM SECOND COMES FROM COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY POST? OKAY, THEN THAT CARRIES, THAT CONCLUDES OUR BUSINESS FOR TODAY AND THEREFORE WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 4 27.