[AGENDA CITY COUNCIL MEETING WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 14, 2026 ORDER OF BUSINESS ] [00:00:02] ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING. WE HAVE A QUORUM. TODAY IS WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 14TH, 2026. THE TIMES 9:20 A.M.. AND I CALL THIS MEETING OF THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER. OUR INVOCATION, SPEAKER, THIS MORNING IS GOING TO BE THERE. HE IS OUR COLLEAGUE, CHAIRMAN ZARIN D GRACEY. I'M GOING TO TURN OVER TO HIM FOR OUR INVOCATION. THEN WE'LL HAVE OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES FLAG AND TEXAS FLAG. GOOD MORNING, MR. MAYOR. AND EVERYONE. LET US PRAY. GRACIOUS AND ALMIGHTY GOD, WE COME BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING GRATEFUL FOR THE GIFT OF ANOTHER DAY AND FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF SERVING THE PEOPLE OF THIS GREAT CITY. YOUR WORD REMINDS US, BE STILL AND KNOW THAT I AM GOD. I WILL BE EXALTED AMONG THE NATIONS. I WILL BE EXALTED IN THE EARTH. LORD, OUR DAYS ARE RARELY STILL. THE CHAMBER IS FULL OF AGENDAS, DEADLINES, BUDGETS, AND DEBATES. OUR PHONES BUZZ, OUR INBOXES FILL, AND THE NEEDS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS PRESS ON US FROM EVERY SIDE. SO BEFORE WE SPEAK, BEFORE WE VOTE, BEFORE WE DECIDE, WE PAUSE. WE QUIET OUR HEARTS AND REMEMBER THAT YOU ARE GOD AND WE ARE NOT. TEACH US THAT STILLNESS IS NOT WEAKNESS, BUT WISDOM. HELP US TO LISTEN MORE THAN WE SPEAK, TO HEAR THE VOICES THAT ARE TOO OFTEN OVERLOOKED AND TO LEAD WITH HUMILITY RATHER THAN PRIDE. YOU SAID YOU WOULD BE EXALTED AMONG THE NATIONS. LORD, THE NATIONS LIVE RIGHT HERE IN DALLAS, IN EVERY LANGUAGE, EVERY CULTURE, AND EVERY CORNER OF THIS CITY. LET THE WORK WE DO TODAY HONOR EVERY ONE OF THEM. BLESS THIS MAYOR, THIS COUNCIL, OUR CITY MANAGER, AND EVERY EMPLOYEE WHO KEEPS THIS CITY RUNNING. PROTECT OUR FIRST RESPONDERS. COMFORT THOSE WHO ARE HURTING, AND GIVE US THE WISDOM OF A PARENT WHO THINKS NOT ONLY ABOUT TODAY, BUT ABOUT THE CHILDREN WHO WILL INHERIT WHAT WE BUILD WHEN THIS CITY, WHEN THIS MEETING ENDS. MAY IT BE SAID THAT WE SOUGHT JUSTICE, LOVE MERCY, AND WALK HUMBLY WITH YOU AND YOUR HOLY NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. IF EVERYONE WHO IS ABLE WOULD PLEASE RISE FOR OUR PLEDGES. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU MAY BE SEATED. I THINK WE HAVE ONE SPECIAL PRESENTATION THIS MORNING FROM CHAIRWOMAN WILLIS. SO YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THAT PURPOSE. THANK YOU MAYOR. OCTOBER IS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH, AND THE COLOR THAT REPRESENTS THAT IS PURPLE. AND I'M SO PROUD OF MY COLLEAGUES. I SEE SO MANY WEARING PURPLE THIS MORNING. YESTERDAY IN THE FLAG ROOM PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY MEETING, HOSTED AN ANNUAL LUNCH TO BRING TOGETHER OUR NONPROFIT PARTNERS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, LEGISLATORS AND OTHERS TO MAKE CONNECTIONS AND CELEBRATE THE SUCCESSES OF OUR REDUCED RATES IN DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, BUT ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS AN UNDERREPORTED CRIME. AND SO I APPRECIATE THIS PROCLAMATION FROM THE MAYOR, AND I JUST WANT TO READ PART OF IT TO US TODAY. WHEREAS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH BRINGS ATTENTION TO THE PREVALENCE AND IMPACT OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND PROMOTES AWARENESS, PREVENTION, EDUCATION AND SUPPORT FOR SURVIVORS. AND WHEREAS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AFFECTS INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES ACROSS EVERY COMMUNITY, AND ITS EFFECTS CAN BE DEVASTATING AND LONG LASTING. AND WHEREAS SURVIVORS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE OFTEN FACE SIGNIFICANT BARRIERS TO SAFETY, STABILITY AND HEALING, ACCESS TO ADVOCACY, EMERGENCY ASSISTANCE, COUNSELING, SHELTER AND OTHER SUPPORTIVE SERVICES ARE ESSENTIAL TO HELPING SURVIVORS AND THEIR FAMILIES REGAIN SAFETY AND STABILITY. AND WHEREAS PREVENTING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE REQUIRES A COORDINATED COMMUNITY RESPONSE INVOLVING SURVIVORS, ADVOCATES, LAW ENFORCEMENT, HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS, SOCIAL SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS, COMMUNITY PARTNERS, AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT. AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF DALLAS RECOGNIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF EDUCATION, AWARENESS, COMMUNITY SUPPORT, AND ACCESS TO RESOURCES IN ADDRESSING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, AND REMAINS COMMITTED TO BUILDING A SAFER DALLAS WHERE EVERY INDIVIDUAL AND FAMILY CAN LIVE FREE FROM FEAR AND VIOLENCE. NOW, ERIC JOHNSON DECLARES THAT MAYOR OF DALLAS DECLARES THIS OCTOBER 2026 DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT, I BELIEVE WE ARE READY TO MOVE ON TO OUR OPEN MICROPHONE SPEAKERS. [OPEN MICROPHONE] MADAM SECRETARY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. GOOD MORNING. THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW HEAR ITS FIRST FIVE REGISTERED SPEAKERS. I WILL RECITE THE SPEAKER GUIDELINES. SPEAKERS MUST OBSERVE THE SAME RULES OF PROPRIETY, DECORUM AND GOOD CONDUCT APPLICABLE TO MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. ANY SPEAKER MAKING PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, PROFANE OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS, OR WHO BECOMES BOISTEROUS WHILE ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE ROOM. [00:05:06] FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE IN PERSON FOR THOSE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS, YOU WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE SESSION. INDIVIDUALS BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK FOR THOSE IN-PERSON SPEAKERS. YOU WILL NOTICE THE TIME ON THE MONITOR AT THE PODIUM WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP, PLEASE STOP FOR THOSE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS. I WILL ANNOUNCE WHEN YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED. ALSO, SPEAKERS, PLEASE BE MINDFUL THAT DURING YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REFER TO A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER BY NAME AND TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO MAYOR JOHNSON. ONLY YOUR FIRST SPEAKER, HONORABLE MIKE ROLLINS. MR. MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE MONTH. IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE. BUT TODAY IS A GOOD DAY FOR ME PERSONALLY, BECAUSE I HAVE TWO GREAT HONORS. FIRST, BESIDES SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I AM SPEAKING THIS MORNING ON BEHALF OF ROGER STAUBACH, WHO COULDN'T BE HERE. IT'S A SERIOUS THING FOR SPEAKING FOR SOMEONE THAT IS AS GREAT. AND I THINK THE GREATEST LIVING DALLAS SITE THERE IS. HE AND I HAVE AGREED ON WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY. THE SECOND HONOR IS TO SPEAK FOR PETTIS, NORMAN, AND FOR ITEM FF THREE THAT YOU'LL BE CONSIDERING THIS AFTERNOON. THE CITY MUST HONOR PETTIS, NORMAN, AND THERE'S NO BETTER WAY THAN APPROVING THIS ITEM. NOW, ROGER STAUBACH KNEW HIM WHEN HE WAS YOUNG. AND WHEN THEY SHARED HOTEL ROOMS WHEN THE DALLAS COWBOYS WERE ON THE ROAD, PETTIS IS THE ONE THAT ASKED COACH LANDRY TO AUTHORIZE INTEGRATION ON THOSE TRIPS. ROGER WAS THE FIRST TO SIGNED UP FOR THAT INTEGRATION AND THEY BECAME GREAT FRIENDS. ROGER TOLD ME OF THE OOHS AND THE AHS BY THE TEAM WATCHING PETIT'S PERFORMANCE DURING FILM SESSIONS. HE WAS ADMIRED BY ALL OF THE TEAM. I KNEW HIM LATER IN LIFE WHEN I ASKED HIM TO LEAD AN EDUCATION TASK FORCE TO MAKE OUR SCHOOLS BETTER. WITH TOM DUNNING AND RENE MARTINEZ, OUR SCHOOLS ARE BETTER BECAUSE OF THAT LEADERSHIP. BUT PETTIS HAD DONE THIS BEFORE, CO-CHAIRING DALLAS TOGETHER IN THE 90S. HE VASTLY IMPROVED MINORITY HIRING AND INCREASED BUSINESS CONTRACTS TO MINORITIES. THIS SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A SURPRISE TO ANYONE, BECAUSE AS EARLY AS 1984, D MAGAZINE SAID ABOUT PETTIS, HE IS FORCEFUL AND ARTICULATE AND SERVES THE BLACK COMMUNITY, WATCHING OVER EDUCATIONAL CONCERNS. HE WORKED AS HARD FOR HIS COMMUNITY AS HE DID FOR THE COWBOYS, AND HE ALWAYS SPOKE THE TRUTH. THE SON OF A SHARECROPPER, A VETERAN, A BANKER, AN OAK CLIFF LEADER, THE FIRST BLACK ENDORSER AND MODEL FOR DOCTOR PEPPER, DID ALL THIS WHILE UNITING THE CITY OF DALLAS, NOT DIVIDING IT. THAT'S A SPECIAL TALENT. HE BROUGHT PEOPLE TOGETHER, A REMARKABLE MAN, A REMARKABLE STORY. THIS NAMING OPPORTUNITY CONNECTS SOUTHERN DALLAS IN THE NORTH PART OF DALLAS, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HE DID. AND IT WILL NOT ONLY HONOR HIM, BUT SHOW CITIZENS IN 2026. WE HONOR THOSE THAT MAKE OUR CITY BETTER THROUGH A SPIRIT OF UNITY. PETTIS. NORMAN LOVED DALLAS AND DALLAS LOVED PETTIS. NORMAN. TODAY, LET'S SHOW HIM THAT LOVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAX. ZEGARELLI. MAX. ZICARELLI. IT'S NOT PRESENT. RICHARD COX. THIS IS A THANK YOU. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE. THIS IS A RENDERING OF WHAT WE HAVE RECOMMENDED AS A POSSIBILITY FOR OUR PROJECT THAT WAS HAS BEEN IGNORED BY THE. DEVELOPERS. AND WE JUST WANTED TO SEE WHAT COULD HAPPEN AT OUR CORNER. AND THAT'S ALL WE WANTED TO DO. WE'RE HERE TO VOICE OUR STRONG OPPOSITION TO THIS PROJECT IN ITS CURRENT FORM AND TO CORRECT THE NARRATIVE SURROUNDING IT. RECENTLY, THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS ARTICLE FRAMED THIS DELAY AS A WIN FOR TRAFFIC MITIGATION, BUT THE ARTICLE COMPLETELY MISSED THE MARK. IT FOCUSED ENTIRELY ON TRAFFIC FUNDING, WHILE FAILING TO MENTION THE TRUE OVERREACHING CONCERN OF THE RESIDENTS. THE EXCESSIVE, UNPRECEDENTED HEIGHTS BEING PROPOSED. [00:10:05] THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO BYPASS CURRENT ZONING LAWS THAT ARE IN PLACE THAT CAP BUILDINGS AT 54FT, SO THEY CAN ERECT A 240 FOOT ONE, 240 AND 19 STORY TOWER. THAT'S FIVE TIMES, ALMOST FIVE TIMES THE LEGAL LIMIT. NO AMOUNT OF DEVELOPER FUNDING TRAFFIC SIGNALS CAN MITIGATE PERMANENT DAMAGE. THIS MASSIVE WALL OF CONCRETE WILL DO THE CHARACTER, PRIVACY AND INFRASTRUCTURE OF OUR LOW RISE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. CALLING THESE MINOR HEIGHT ADJUSTMENTS. A COMPROMISE IS A DISTRACTION. A 19 STORY TOWER AND AN 18 STORY APARTMENT COMPLEX SIMPLY DO NOT BELONG AT PRESTON AND ROYAL. WE WILL. WE. WHILE WE APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS FOCUS ON TRAFFIC. TRAFFIC IS ONLY A SYMPTOM OF A MUCH LARGER PROBLEM. THE ROOT PROBLEM IS A SHEER OVERWHELMING DENSITY AND SCALE OF THIS PROJECT. THE MEDIA MIGHT CHOOSE TO IGNORE THE HEIGHT ISSUE, BUT THIS COUNCIL CANNOT. WE ASK YOU TO LISTEN TO THE ACTUAL RESIDENTS WHO LIVE HERE, NOT THE DEVELOPERS PR TEAM. WE ASKED YOU TO RESPECT THE EXISTING ZONING GUIDELINES AND PROTECT OUR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE 5000 SIGNATURES THAT ARE IN OPPOSITION, AND I DON'T THINK COUNCIL MEMBER HERE WOULD WANT THAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND SUPPORT THAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WE REQUEST STRONGLY THAT YOU OPPOSE THIS RECOMMENDED ZONING CHANGE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NELL BUTLER HAS COUNSELED ROXANNE. MOBLEY. ROXANNE MOBLEY IS NOT PRESENT. TOM DONOVAN. TOM DONOVAN IS NOT PRESENT. SANDRA HILL. HELLO. CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME? YES. YOU MAY CONTINUE. YES. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR, AND MEMBERS OF THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS SANDRA HILL AND I AM A HOMEOWNER, TAXPAYER AND REAL ESTATE INVESTOR IN THE CEDARS NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT SEVEN. I HAVE INVESTED OVER HALF $1 MILLION INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN ITS POTENTIAL. BUT AFTER NEARLY LIVING HERE FOR A YEAR, THAT OPTIMISM IS QUICKLY FADING. I'VE LIVED IN VARIOUS NEIGHBORHOODS AND SUBURBS THROUGHOUT DFW. SOME VERY NICE AND SOME NOT SO NICE. AND I CAN HONESTLY SAY THE CONDITIONS I'VE WITNESSED IN THE CEDARS ARE BY FAR THE WORST I'VE PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED. I PREVIOUSLY LIVED IN CEDAR SPRINGS. YES, THERE WERE HOMELESS PEOPLE THERE. BUT THERE WAS A NOTICEABLE DIFFERENCE IN THE THE IN HOW THE CITY MAINTAINED THAT AREA. PARKING LOTS WERE NOT WEREN'T SIMPLY ALLOWED TO BECOME. OVERNIGHT ENCAMPMENTS AND MAKESHIFT VILLAGES WEREN'T LEFT ALONG HIGHWAYS AND VACANT LOTS WITHOUT INTERVENTION. SO WHY DOES IT APPEAR THAT SOME DALLAS NEIGHBORHOODS RECEIVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STANDARD OF ATTENTION AND PUBLIC SAFETY THAN OTHERS? DRIVE THROUGH THE CEDARS. YOU'LL SEE VACANT LOTS OVERTAKEN OVERNIGHT BY ENCAMPMENTS AT THE CACHE POND. DISCARDED FURNITURE, PILES OF GARBAGE, APPARENT OPEN DRUG USE AND ACTIVITY SUGGESTING POSSIBLE PROSTITUTION. WOULD THESE CONDITIONS BE TOLERATED IN UPTOWN? I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IT. SO WHY ARE THEY TOLERATED HERE? I UNDERSTAND HOMELESSNESS IS COMPLICATED AND PEOPLE NEED ASSISTANCE, BUT COMPASSION CANNOT COME AT THE EXPENSE OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF ITS RESIDENTS. RECENTLY, I HEARD THREE SEPARATE INCIDENTS INCIDENTS OF EXTREMELY LOUD GUNFIRE THAT RESEMBLED CANNON FIRE. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I CAN DESCRIBE THAT. AROUND THREE IN THE MORNING, I CALLED ALONG WITH A FEW OF MY NEIGHBORS, THE POLICE. AFTER ONE OF THE INCIDENTS, OFFICERS DID NOT RESPOND UNTIL APPROXIMATELY 90 MINUTES LATER, ONLY TO REPORT THEY WERE STANDING AT THE CORNER OF COLEMAN AND CLEVELAND AND DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING. WHAT EXACTLY DID THEY EXPECT TO FIND? 90 MINUTES LATER. DID THEY EXPECT THOSE RESPONSIBLE TO STILL BE STANDING THERE? I'VE ALSO SUBMITTED NUMEROUS SERVICE REQUESTS FOR ILLEGAL DUMPING AND TRASH THROUGHOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. WHY ISN'T THERE A PROACTIVE CLEANUP SCHEDULE? IF SANITATION CREWS ARE ALREADY DRIVING THROUGH THE STREETS ON COLLECTION DAYS, WHY CAN'T THERE BE A COORDINATED EFFORT TO IDENTIFY AND REMOVE ILLEGALLY DUMPED TRASH? WHY ISN'T THERE A PROACTIVE CLEANUP SCHEDULE? WHY MUST RESIDENTS REPEATEDLY REQUEST BASIC CITY SERVICES? I WAS CONSIDERING PURCHASING ANOTHER INVESTMENT PROPERTY HERE. NOW I'M QUESTIONING WHETHER I EVEN WANT TO REMAIN IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. HOW CAN DALLAS EXPECT PRIVATE CITIZENS TO INVEST IN REVITALIZATION WHEN THE CITY ITSELF APPEARS UNWILLING TO INVEST THE SAME ATTENTION? [00:15:05] I'M ASKING FOR INCREASED POLICE PRESENCE, TIMELY EMERGENCY RESPONSES, PROACTIVE SANITATION ENFORCEMENT, AND MEANINGFUL ACTION CONCERNING. THAT'S YOUR TIME. AND THANK YOU. THANK YOU. KIMBERLY RODRIGUEZ. KIMBERLY RODRIGUEZ. IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT PRESENT. SYDNEY WALKER. SYDNEY WALKER. IT'S NOT PRESENT. LILIANA DELGADO. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS LILY DELGADO FROM DISTRICT SEVEN. I COME WITH NAGPUR, THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE AGAINST RACISM AND POLITICAL REPRESSION. I COME TODAY AS AN EXTREMELY CONCERNED CITIZEN WITH THE VIOLENCE PERPETRATED ON OUR COMMUNITIES BY IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT, ICE AND COLLABORATING AGENCIES, CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION, CBP AND HOMELAND SECURITY INVESTIGATIONS AGENCY. THERE HAVE BEEN AT LEAST 30 SHOOTINGS BY THESE AGENCIES OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS. OF THESE, TEN PEOPLE WERE FATALLY SHOT AND TEN OTHERS WERE WOUNDED OR INJURED. EIGHT OF THEM HAVE INVOLVED U.S. CITIZENS AND FOUR WITH FOUR CITIZENS FATALLY SHOT. SIX OF THESE SHOOTINGS HAVE TAKEN PLACE IN TEXAS, WITH THE MOST RECENT AND MAJOR CITIES LIKE AUSTIN AND HOUSTON IN SEPTEMBER AND JULY, RESPECTIVELY. WITH THIS ONGOING TREND OF VIOLENCE, IT IS ONLY TIME BEFORE OUR COMMUNITY IN DALLAS IS IMPACTED BY ONE OF THESE SHOOTINGS AGAIN. AS SUCH, IT IS IMPERATIVE OUR COMMUNITY TAKES ACTION AND IS PREPARED. THEREFORE, I AND ARPA REQUEST THAT YOU, AS MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS REPRESENTING OUR CITY OF DALLAS, WORK WITH OUR COMMUNITY TO TAKE ACTION AS FOLLOWS. NURPUR DEMANDS A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF DALLAS DEMANDING ACCOUNTABILITY AND JUSTICE FOR THE CRIMES OF ICE. DALLAS CITY COUNCIL HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO THE SAFETY OF ITS RESIDENTS, WHETHER THEY BE DOCUMENTED OR UNDOCUMENTED. I'S OPERATIONS ARE A DRAIN ON OUR CITY RESOURCES, DRAWING LOCAL PUBLIC SERVANTS AWAY FROM KEEPING OUR COMMUNITIES SAFE. ICE HAS SHOT AT LEAST 30 PEOPLE SINCE LAST YEAR, HAS ARRESTED 262,000 PEOPLE NATIONWIDE. IN THE US, ICE HAS HAD 27 DEATHS IN THEIR FACILITIES SINCE SEPTEMBER ALONE. THE CONDITIONS WITH ICE FACILITIES ARE VERY POOR AND OVERCROWDED. NAPORA BELIEVES THAT THE CITY COUNCIL OF DALLAS HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY TO SERVE THE RESIDENTS OF DALLAS, AND SO WE DEMAND THAT THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL ISSUE AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT THAT DENOUNCES ICE SHOOTINGS AND KILLINGS, AND ALSO PLEDGES TO USE ALL LAWFUL POWERS TO INVESTIGATE DIRECTLY OR FUND AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION IN THE EVENT OF AN ICE KILLING OR SHOOTING IN DALLAS, THE MAIN ACTION ITEM HERE. IT'S ABOUT ACTION AND NOT JUST WORDS. IS TO ENSURE THERE ARE INDEPENDENT AND THERE IS AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION INTO THESE SHOOTINGS. OBVIOUSLY ICE AND OTHER AGENCIES ARE GOING TO PROVIDE BIASED ACCOUNTS AND THEIR FAVOR. IT IS OUR DUTY TO OUR COMMUNITY TO ENSURE WE HAVE THOSE ACCOUNTS. THE CORRECT ACCOUNTS DO JUSTICE TO THE ACTUAL EVENTS AND TO OUR RESIDENTS. THANK YOU. MADISON. MCNAIR. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND EVERYONE PRESENT TODAY. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS MADISON NOEL MCNAIR. I'M 29 YEARS OLD, A LIFELONG DALLAS RESIDENT CURRENTLY LIVING IN D1 NEAR BISHOP ARTS IN OAK CLIFF, AND I WORK IN D2 AT A BOOK SHOP IN DEEP ELLUM. ACCESSIBILITY IS NOT CHARITY. IT IS A CIVIL RIGHT. EVERY PERSON DESERVES DIGNITY, INDEPENDENCE AND EQUAL ACCESS TO THEIR COMMUNITY. THE DISABILITY RIGHTS MOVEMENT HAS SPENT GENERATIONS FIGHTING EXCLUSION AND DISCRIMINATION. IN 1977, ACTIVISTS STAGED SIT INS DEMANDING ENFORCEMENT OF SECTION 504. IN 1990, THE AMERICAN SORRY AND DEMANDING ENFORCEMENT OF SECTION 504. IN 1990, THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT BECAME LAW. FOLLOWING POWERFUL PROTESTS LIKE THE CAPITOL CRAWL, WHEN ACTIVISTS CLIMBED ALL 88 STEPS AT THE UNITED STATES CAPITOL TO EXPOSE THE BARRIERS [00:20:01] FACING PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. IN 1999, THE OLMSTEAD DECISION AFFIRMED THE RIGHT TO RECEIVE SERVICES IN THE MOST INTEGRATED SETTING. APPROPRIATE TODAY THAT RIGHT TO LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITIES REMAINS UNDER THREAT HERE IN DALLAS. ANNIE JONES TURNED ADVOCACY INTO ACTION IN 1988. SHE AND FELLOW ACTIVISTS CHAINED THEMSELVES TO INACCESSIBLE GREYHOUND BUSSES TO DEMAND CHANGE. SHE FOUGHT FOR SIDEWALK CURB CUTS AND HELPED ESTABLISH DART'S PARATRANSIT SERVICE, WHICH I NOW RELY ON COMPLETELY. WHEN A DOWNTOWN RESTAURANT FORCED WHEELCHAIR USERS TO ENTER THROUGH THE BACK, JONES AND HER FELLOW ACTIVISTS PROTESTED UNTIL A RAMP WAS INSTALLED AT THE FRONT. HER LEGACY REMINDS US THAT CHANGE HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE DEMAND IT. YET DALLAS STILL HAS WORK TO DO. BROKEN SIDEWALKS, MISSING CURB CUTS AND ACCESSIBLE PUBLIC BUILDINGS, UNSAFE CROSSINGS AND TRANSPORTATION BARRIERS CONTINUE TO LIMIT OUR INDEPENDENCE AND PARTICIPATION IN OUR COMMUNITY. I URGE THIS CITY COUNCIL TO BEGIN PRIORITIZING ACCESSIBILITY, DEDICATE THE NECESSARY RESOURCES, ESTABLISH CLEAR GOALS AND TIMELINES, AND PUBLICLY REPORT PROGRESS. ACCESSIBILITY BENEFITS EVERYONE. IT CREATES SAFER STREETS, MORE WELCOMING PUBLIC SPACES, AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALL RESIDENTS. WE MUST HONOR THE DISABILITY RIGHTS MOVEMENT NOT JUST BY REMEMBERING ITS VICTORIES, BUT BY CONTINUING ITS WORK. WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER GENERATION TO REMOVE BARRIERS THAT PREVENT PEOPLE FROM FULLY PARTICIPATING IN OUR CITY. DISABILITY RIGHTS ARE CIVIL RIGHTS. ACCESSIBILITY IS A RESPONSIBILITY. INCLUSION MUST BE REFLECTED IN OUR ACTIONS, NOT JUST OUR PROMISES. NOTHING ABOUT US WITHOUT US. LET US BUILD A DALLAS WHERE EVERY RESIDENT, REGARDLESS OF DISABILITY, CAN ACCESS THEIR COMMUNITY AND LIVE WITH DIGNITY, INDEPENDENCE AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THIS CONCLUDES OUR FIRST FIVE SPEAKERS. THE REMAINING SPEAKERS WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE CONCLUSION OF ITS CITY BUSINESS. MAYOR JOHNSON. YES. FOR WHAT PURPOSE COULD WE SUSPEND THE RULES AND JUST HEAR THE SPEAKERS WHO ARE DALLAS RESIDENTS? IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION FROM YOUR COLLEAGUES, I THINK WE'RE DOWN TO JUST A FEW, IF ANY OBJECTION. HEARING NONE SO ORDERED. WE'LL HEAR THE REST OF THE DALLAS SPEAKERS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YOUR NEXT SPEAKER, JOHN DAWSON. JOHN DODSON IS NOT PRESENT. THIS CONCLUDES YOUR REGISTERED CITY OF DALLAS SPEAKERS. ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR VOTING AGENDA. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. BEFORE WE MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM ONE, YOU DO HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, ALEX SCOTT. ALEX SCOTT IS NOT PRESENT. AGENDA ITEM ONE IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF THE SEPTEMBER [MINUTES] 23RD, 2026 CITY COUNCIL MEETING. SECOND. ALL RIGHT, A MOTION. AND SECOND, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. MINUTES ARE APPROVED. NEXT ITEM. BEFORE WE MOVE TO YOUR CONSENT AGENDA, YOU DO HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ITEMS. [CONSENT AGENDA] YOUR FIRST SPEAKER IS DOLORES PHILLIPS. MISS PHILLIPS HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ALL AGENDA ITEMS. MISS PHILLIPS, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK ON ALL ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. DOLORES PHILLIPS MAINLY SPEAKING ON ITEMS NUMBER TWO, NUMBER FOUR, AND NUMBER 23. I JUST SPOKE WITH MAYOR ROLLINS. WE'RE ON THE RECORD. I ASKED MAYOR ROLLINS DID HE REMEMBER ME? HE SAID YES. I SAID, MAYOR ROLLINS, YOU'RE THE ONE WHO PREARRANGED THE MEETING FOR OCTOBER 25TH, 2013. HE SAID YES. I SAID, CAN YOU VOLUNTARILY OR BY SUBPOENA COME TO TESTIFY FOR PETITION 202? HE SAID THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO. I ASKED HIM, DID HE HAVE CONTACT INFORMATION? AND HE GAVE ME CIC PARTNERS. YOU HAVE TWO HANDOUTS. THEY ARE THE POLICE RECORDS FABRICATED FROM IRVING IN IN GRAND PRAIRIE. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM TO SEE IF YOU WILL ACCEPT THE GRANT FOR INTERNET CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN. THIS IS VERY SERIOUS. SO WHEN I COME BEFORE YOU AND I SPEAK ABOUT A FABRICATED POLICE REPORT. OCTOBER 25TH, 2013, AND THAT MEETING WAS PRE-ARRANGED BY MAYOR ROLLINS, THEN THAT MEANS THAT THIS IS ONGOING. THIS IS A PERSISTING CONSPIRACY TO VIOLATE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER FOUR, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE PRISONERS. PRISONERS PLURAL IN LOOSE FROM YOU RUNNING DOWN ON POOR PEOPLE WITH NOT WITHOUT HAVING LEGAL WARRANTS. STAY WITH ME, BECAUSE THIS IS HUGE. BECAUSE THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS ARE GOING TO FILE A CLASS ACTION SUIT STATING THAT YOU ARE TARGETING THEM SOLELY BECAUSE OF THEIR ECONOMIC [00:25:01] SOCIAL CLASS. ONE OF YOUR ARRESTEES, THEY RAN DOWN ON HIM, PUT YOU KNOW, SAID THAT THEY HAD A WARRANT, TOOK HIS PHONE, HAD A GUN, STAYED WITH ME, DROVE HIM ALL THE WAY TO 635 IN ELAM. BUT BEFORE THEY TOOK HIM TO ELAM IN 635, THEY TOOK HIS PHONE AT THE ARREST LOCATION, PUT THE DEVICE IN HIS PHONE, AND DOWNLOADED ALL HIS INFORMATION. WHEN THEY TOOK HIM TO ELAM, EXITED 635 TO ELAM. IT WAS A CALL CAME IN THE CAR. THEY SAID, TAKE HIM BACK. WE DID NOT GET THE WARRANT SIGNED. WHEN THEY MADE A U-TURN ON ELAM AND WENT UNDER THE UNDERPASS, THE. 635, THEY SAID TO HIM, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE CUFFS OFF BECAUSE THIS IS YOUR LUCKY DAY. THEY TOOK HIM OUT THE CAR, TOOK THE CUFFS OFF, PUT HIM BACK IN THE CAR, AND TOOK HIM BACK TO THE ARREST LOCATION BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE A WARRANT. NOW, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THESE FABRICATED POLICE REPORTS. AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INTERNET CRIMES. THAT'S YOUR TIME. UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE GUILTY OF VIOLATING CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOUR NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE SPEAKING ON AGENDA ITEM SIX, ANUM MANTHIRAM. GOOD MORNING. ON BEHALF OF THE BRIDGE HOMELESS RECOVERY CENTER, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE ABOUT THE GOOD WORKS HAPPENING HERE. WE ARE SO GRATEFUL TO THE CITY OF DALLAS CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR FOR YOUR CONTINUED AND ONGOING FUNDING. SUPPORT. OUR CITY ESG RAPID REHOUSING GRANT WILL BE COMING UP FOR RENEWAL THIS YEAR, AND WE WOULD APPRECIATE THE CITY'S VOTE OF CONFIDENCE IN RENEWING OUR GRANT FOR A SECOND YEAR. FISCAL YEAR TO DATE, WE HAVE ALREADY SURPASSED OUR PERFORMANCE MEASURES AND OUTCOMES AS REQUIRED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS. UNDER THE CONTRACT, WE ARE OBLIGATED TO HOUSE EIGHT GUESTS. WE HOUSE TEN. ALL TEN HAVE EXITED TO PERMANENT HOUSING DESTINATIONS, THOUGH IT WASN'T A REQUIREMENT. OF THE GRANT, THREE GUESTS EXITED WITH MORE INCOME AT EXIT THAN ENTRY. WE ARE ON PACE TO HAVE PERMANENTLY HOUSED OVER 800 GUESTS THIS LAST FISCAL YEAR. OUR END GOAL IS THE SAME FOR EVERY GUEST. WE EITHER ENGAGE ON OUR CAMPUS OR DIRECTLY ON THE STREET, HELP THEM GET INTO HOUSING AND HELP THEM STAY HOUSED. WHAT WE ARE DOING WORKS 95% REMAIN STABLY HOUSED AT 12 MONTHS. OUR COMMITMENT TO OUR GUESTS IS OUR SUPERPOWER. ON AVERAGE, IT TAKES US 27 CASE MANAGEMENT SESSIONS TO MOVE SOMEONE FROM INTAKE TO HOUSING. THIS SHOWS RESILIENCE, RELATIONSHIP, AND RESOURCEFULNESS. WE DON'T GIVE UP ON OUR GUESTS. THANK YOU FOR NOT GIVING UP ON OUR GUESTS AS WELL. THANK YOU. WE WILL NOW MOVE TO YOUR CONSENT AGENDA. YOUR CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTED OF ITEMS TWO THROUGH 23. AGENDA ITEM FOUR HAS BEEN PULLED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN AND COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS. AGENDA ITEM FIVE HAS BEEN PULLED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO AND COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN. AGENDA ITEM NINE HAS BEEN PULLED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN. AGENDA ITEM 11 HAS BEEN PULLED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WEST. AGENDA ITEM 17 HAS BEEN PULLED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN. AGENDA ITEM 18 HAS BEEN PULLED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN AND AGENDA ITEM 19 HAS BEEN PULLED BY COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY. THEREFORE, YOUR CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTS OF ITEMS TWO, THREE, SIX THROUGH EIGHT, TEN, 12 THROUGH 16 AND 20 THROUGH 23. ALL RIGHT, A MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. CONSENT AGENDA IS ADOPTED, MADAM SECRETARY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WE WILL NOW MOVE TO YOUR FIRST ITEM. OKAY. ONE SECOND, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YOUR FIRST PULLED ITEM WILL BE AGENDA ITEM FIVE. [5. 26-2926A Authorize the Dallas Public Facility Corporation to (1) acquire, develop, and own the University Hills, a mixed-income, multifamily development to be located at 1910 East Wheatland Road, Dallas Texas 75241 (Project); and (2) enter into a 75-year lease agreement with UH Multifamily Development 1, LLC, an affiliate of Hoque Global Partnership, LLC and Anchor Capital Partners, LLC, for the development of the Project - Estimated Revenue Foregone: General Fund $3,657,529.91 (for 60 years; see Fiscal Information) *In alignment with Dallas Housing Resource Catalog.] WE WILL COME BACK TO AGENDA ITEM FOR AGENDA ITEM FIVE. AUTHORIZE THE DALLAS PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION TO ONE. ACQUIRE, DEVELOP AND OWN THE UNIVERSITY HILLS, A MIXED INCOME MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT TO BE LOCATED AT 1910 EAST WHEATLAND ROAD, DALLAS, TEXAS. 75241 PROJECT AND TWO ENTER INTO A 75 YEAR LEASE AGREEMENT WITH MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT ONE LLC, AN AFFILIATE OF HOK GLOBAL PARTNERSHIP LLC AND ANCHOR CAPITAL PARTNERS, [00:30:08] LLC FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROJECT. YOU DO HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. STEVEN SHELLEY. YOU'LL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. YOU MAY BEGIN. GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS STEVEN SHELLEY WITH THE DEVELOPER. MULTIFAMILY. WHILE I BELIEVE IN THIS PROJECT ON ITS OWN MERITS, I DO WANT TO REINFORCE THAT THIS IS NOT A STANDALONE DEVELOPMENT. IT'S ONE COMPONENT OF A 270 ACRE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT ULTIMATELY INCLUDES RESIDENTIAL, HOSPITALITY, RETAIL AND OFFICE USES. THE LARGER TEAM'S GOAL FOR THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT IS TO CAST AS WIDE A NET AS POSSIBLE, PROVIDING THE BROADEST POSSIBLE RANGE OF HOUSING TYPES AND AT AN ARRAY OF DIFFERENT INCOME LEVELS. WHAT'S THAT? WHAT THAT MEANS IS LEADING WITH THE OVER 570 FOR SALE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. IT MEANS PARTNERING WITH A TAX CREDIT DEVELOPER FOR 360 UNITS OF OF HOUSING AT 50%, 60% AND 80% AMI. AND IT MEANS THIS PFC DEVELOPMENT, WHICH BRINGS THE STATUTORILY REQUIRED 60% AND 80% AMI UNITS, ALONG WITH HALF OF THE UNITS AT MARKET RATES. THOSE MARKET RATE UNITS WILL LET US FURTHER PROVE UP MARKET RENTS IN AN AREA THAT HAS BEEN DEPRIVED OF CLASS A MARKET RATE MULTIFAMILY, AND LEAN FURTHER INTO THE FULLY TAXABLE MARKET RATE PRODUCT FOR THE NEXT PHASE IN THE TOWN CENTER DEVELOPMENT. AND OF COURSE, ALL OF THESE THOUSANDS OF NEW RESIDENTS AND ALL THESE NEW ROOFTOPS WILL ALLOW THE RETAIL, THE OFFICE, THE HOSPITALITY TO THRIVE MORE THAN THEY WOULD IN A VACUUM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THERE ARE NO FURTHER SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM. THIS ITEM WAS PULLED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO AND COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN. IS THERE A MOTION? SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. WHO PULLED IT? COUNCIL MEMBER. MORENO AND COUNCIL MEMBER. MENDELSOHN EITHER RECOGNIZED FOR ANY AMOUNT OF TIME. NO. OKAY. SEEING. OKAY. MR.. ROTH. YES OR NO? OKAY. MR. ROTH IS RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. THIS IS THIS. THIS PROJECT IS RELATIVELY NEAR THE THE PROPOSED POLICE ACADEMY, ISN'T IT? IS THAT CORRECT? YES. IS THERE AN ANSWER? YES. NOBODY KNOWS. OR JUST. IT IS. I KNOW THE ANSWER. THE ANSWER IS YES. AND THE ANSWER AND THE REASON I'M BRINGING IT UP IS THAT THIS IS A NEAT OPPORTUNITY. POTENTIALLY TO ADDRESS A HOUSING NEED FOR PEOPLE THAT WERE TRYING TO RECRUIT FOR THE POLICE TRAINING AND ACADEMY, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE SPECIAL ARRANGEMENTS IN THEIR, IN THEIR THEIR FACILITY TO ENCOURAGE SPECIAL TREATMENT FOR FOLKS THAT ARE IN THE CITY'S POLICE AND EMERGENCY AND FIRE FORCE AND THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO BE UTILIZING AND, AND TRAINING AT THE FACILITY. I WOULD THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE A, SHOULD BE A MODEL FOR OTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS IN THE CITY THAT ARE APPROVED AND THAT WE SHOULD BE USING THESE TYPES OF HOUSING TO DIRECT AND TO HELP PROMOTE THE INDUSTRIES AND THE, THE THE ENTERPRISES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HELP PROVIDE SERVICES AND EMPLOYEES TO. SO. IF THIS IS APPROVED, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IN PARTICULAR, MAKE A SPECIAL OUTREACH TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND COOPERATE WITH THEM IN THEIR PROGRAMS RELATED TO THE TRAINING CENTER IN THAT AREA. CHAIRMAN BLAIR RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. JUST SO I CAN ANSWER MR. ROTH, YES. THESE ARE 270 ACRES. THIS IS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT THAT INCLUDES ALL TYPE OF HOUSING FOR ALL SOCIAL ECONOMICS THAT THAT CAN EXIST ALL IN ONE PLACE. THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS ONE DEVELOPMENT IS TO PUT IN WORKFORCE HOUSING. SO AND AS YOU KNOW, THERE WILL ALSO BE WE'VE ALREADY SEEN WHERE THERE WILL ALSO BE 500 HOUSES, SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, ALL MIXED INCOME SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN LIVE IN ONE AREA OF THE [00:35:02] COMMUNITY AND THRIVE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MISS MENDELSOHN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON ITEM FIVE. THANK YOU SIR. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ITEM FIVE. THE PFC WOULD BE WITH HOPE INTERNATIONAL. IS THAT RIGHT? GENERAL MANAGER OF THE PFC. YEAH. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN. YES. THE PARTNERSHIP WILL BE BETWEEN THE PFC AND HOPE INTERNATIONAL AND ANCHOR AND ANCHOR DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU. AND HAVE YOU CONSIDERED WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT THESE DEALS, THE ABILITY OF THE ENTITY TO ACTUALLY DELIVER ON A PROJECT? YES, MA'AM. AND SO DOES THAT MEAN YOU CONSIDERED WHAT WAS HAPPENING WITH NEW PARK? YEAH. I'M GOING TO LET STEVEN SPEAK TO THAT. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. RESPECTFULLY IS THE MASTER DEVELOPER FOR THE PROJECT FOR THIS PFC COMPONENT IS STAYING IN AS A 10% PARTNER. ANCHOR CAPITAL IS COMING IN AS A 90% PARTNER TO GET THE PROJECT ACROSS THE FINISH LINE. OKAY. BUT AGAIN, DID YOU CONSIDER THEIR HISTORY WITH DALLAS? RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE 20 ACRES OF NEW PARK. THEY WERE GIVEN A $96 MILLION INCENTIVE. THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT BY DECEMBER 31ST, 2024. THERE'S AN EXTENSION GIVEN. IT EXPIRES AT, I BELIEVE, AT THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR. CORRECT? YOU MAY NOT KNOW THAT, RIGHT? THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING. BUT THERE'S ALSO THE BANK OF AMERICA TOWER, $103 MILLION FROM THE CITY. AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO CLOSE THE ACQUISITION BY 930, 2026. AND SO HERE'S TWO EXAMPLES WHERE THEY HAVE. MR. MAYOR. YES. FOR WHAT PURPOSE? I DON'T SEE WHAT WHAT ALL OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH ITEM NUMBERS AND ITEM NUMBER FIVE. WHAT WHAT WHAT MAYOR GOES TO THE ABILITY OF THE DEVELOPER TO ACTUALLY EXECUTE. I'M GOING TO LET HER GO. GO AHEAD. SO THEN WE HAVE THAT SECOND ONE. AND THEN OF COURSE THEY HAVE INVOLVEMENT FOR UNIVERSITY HILLS AS WELL. CORRECT. YES MA'AM. THIS WAS DISCUSSED IN IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PFC. AND AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHY THEY BROUGHT ON STEPHEN AS THE 90% PARTNER, BECAUSE HE HAS A VERY LONG AND SUCCESSFUL TRACK RECORD OF DELIVERING ON MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS. SO WITH RESPECT TO ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT, BUT TO ACTUAL MULTIFAMILY EXECUTION AND DELIVERY OF WHAT'S PROMISED. STEPHEN AND HIS PARTNERSHIP GROUP WITH ANCHOR ARE EXPERTS IN THAT AND HAVE A LONG TRACK RECORD OF SUCCESS. BUT WHAT SUCCESS HAVE YOU SEEN FROM HOAK IN DELIVERING THIS TYPE OF PROJECT? AGAIN, HOAK IS A THE MINORITY PARTNER. THEIR NAME IS ON THIS AS WELL. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THE OPERATIONAL PARTNER, THE ONES WHO WILL BE DOING THE CONSTRUCTION AND THE ACTUAL CARRYING OUT OF THIS EXECUTION IS STEPHEN AND HIS GROUP WITH ANCHOR, AND THEY HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL. WELL, USUALLY I MAKE THE WHOLE PFC CASE ON WHY THIS IS A BAD DEAL FOR OUR TAXPAYERS AND FOR THE FUTURE, THE GENERATIONAL FUTURE OF OUR CITY AND BEING ABLE TO COLLECT TAX DOLLARS. BUT IN THIS CASE, I'M GOING TO JUST FLAT OUT SAY THIS OPERATOR HAS TOO MANY PROJECTS THAT HAVE NOT COME THROUGH YET FOR DALLAS. I'M HOPEFUL ALL OF THEM WILL COME THROUGH AND BE VERY SUCCESSFUL, BUT UNTIL WE SEE MOVEMENT ON ANY OF THEM, I'M A FLAT OUT NO. NO MORE MONEY. THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. ITEM FIVE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO COUNCILWOMAN BLAIR. I DID SUPPORT HIM. GO TO THE EVENT WHEN YOU HAD THE GROUNDBREAKING CEREMONY AND WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO FOR SOUTHERN DALLAS AND DEVELOPMENT. THERE IS GOING TO BE AWESOME. I JUST TOLD MAYOR PRO TEM IT'S NOT IN MY DISTRICT, BUT I WILL BE THERE SUPPORTING, SHOPPING AND DOING THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO. THIS IS GREAT. IT'S I THINK IT'S CONNECTED RIGHT TO COUNCILMAN GRACEY AS WELL. YOU GUYS ARE PARTNERING TOGETHER AND DOING A GREAT JOB. SO THANK YOU FOR PUTTING SOUTHERN DALLAS ON YOUR SHOULDER AND BRINGING THIS LEVEL OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO SOUTHERN THIS PART OF SOUTHERN DALLAS. IT'S GREAT AND I'LL BE SUPPORTING IT. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST AGENDA ITEM FIVE. OH MAYOR. MR. BAZALDUA, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK STAFF SPECIFIC NOT NOT PFC STAFF, BUT HOUSING STAFF, IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO OUR CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION THAT WE'VE LAID OUT FOR [00:40:06] THE DEVELOPER IN MAINTAINING GOOD STANDING WITH OTHER PROPERTIES. THIS IS A CONCERN I'VE HAD AND I'VE BROUGHT UP BEFORE, WE'VE HAD OTHER PROJECTS WITH HOKE SPECIFICALLY. I DO THINK THAT IT'S A GOOD PROJECT. AND I DON'T WANT TO FAIL TO SUPPORT A GOOD PROJECT BECAUSE OF THIS, HOWEVER WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME MECHANISMS IN PLACE TO WHERE WE HOLD THESE DEVELOPERS ACCOUNTABLE AND THEY CAN'T CONTINUE TO ACQUIRE LAND AND ALLOW FOR IT TO BE BLIGHTED AND VACANT. THE, THE PILGRIM'S PRIDE LOCATION IN THE CEDARS HAS NOW BEEN FIVE PLUS YEARS THAT WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR HOPE TO DO SOMETHING WITH. AND I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHEN ARE WE WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT MECHANISMS DO WE HAVE IN PLACE TO HOLD THESE GROUPS ACCOUNTABLE? GOOD MORNING. THOR ERICKSON, DIRECTOR OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. EACH DEVELOPMENT, WHEN WE ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT HAS TERMS AND CONDITIONS, SCOPE OF WORK AND TIMELINES. EACH DEVELOPMENT CAN BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY BASED ON THE SITE CONSTRAINTS. I CAN SPEAK FOR THIS PROJECT AS IT'S IN FRONT OF US TODAY AT UNIVERSITY HILLS. THE MASTER DEVELOPER HAS BROKEN GROUND. THEY'VE DONE THE HORIZONTAL DEVELOPMENT AND THE PROJECT IS MOVING FORWARD. DELIVERING ON THE AFFORDABLE UNITS AS PART OF THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN IS WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US TODAY. ALL SIGNS POINT TO THE DEVELOPERS ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT. CONSTRUCTION IS UNDERWAY. THERE WAS A RECENT EVENT AND LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUE SUCCESS WITH THIS PARTNERSHIP. SO ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT WE HAVE NOTHING IN PLACE THAT TIES THEM TO OTHER PROPERTIES OR OTHER INCENTIVES THAT THEY HAVE ALSO BEEN IT'S, IT'S SILOED AWAY PROJECT BY PROJECT AND THERE'S NO ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE OTHER PROJECTS. IF I COULD, MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. BAZALDUA FOR YOUR QUESTIONS. I'D LIKE TO HAVE OUR DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TALK ABOUT IN ADDITION TO ON THE HOUSING SIDE THE WAY THAT WE'VE APPROACHED IT FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE THERE ARE TIMELINES AND DELIVERABLES INCLUDED IN THOSE AGREEMENTS. SO, MR. SPATH, WILL YOU GO AHEAD AND JUST SPEAK TO THAT FOR ME, PLEASE? THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER. THANK YOU. CITY MANAGER AND COUNCIL MEMBER KEVIN SPATH, DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I'M TRYING TO THINK THE ONLY OTHER CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIPS WE HAVE WITH THIS PROPERTY OWNER AND DEVELOPER IS WITH THE 901 MAIN, WHICH IS OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE BANK OF AMERICA PLAZA PROJECT. ON THAT CONTRACT, THE CONTRACT IS NOT ACTUALLY EXECUTED YET. SO SINCE THE COUNCIL AUTHORIZED THAT DEAL LAST OCTOBER, WE'VE BEEN WORKING IN GOOD FAITH WITH THE DEVELOPER TO EXECUTE THAT AGREEMENT. SO AND SAME THING WITH NEW PARK. NEW PARK WAS AUTHORIZED WAY BACK IN 2021. BUT THAT AGREEMENT WAS NEVER EXECUTED FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. OKAY. I DO BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT A POLICY DISCUSSION MOVING FORWARD. I THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE CLEAR TIES TO PARTNERS WHO HAVE MULTIPLE PROJECTS THAT WE CAN HOLD A SAME LEVEL ACCOUNTABILITY FOR. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT IS ADVANTAGEOUS TO THE CITY FOR US TO ALLOW FOR ACQUISITION, MULTIPLE ACQUISITIONS, AND A SLOW ROLL OF PROJECTS. WHEN WE ARE FOREGOING AND INCENTIVIZING TAX DOLLARS TO PROJECTS TO, TO COME TO FRUITION. I THINK THAT, THAT WE'VE SEEN, AND I BELIEVE WITHOUT DIVULGING TOO MUCH FROM CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD IN EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT THERE HAS BEEN A CLEAR DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT ACCOUNTABILITY IS INCLUDED. AND I'M NOT SEEING IT HERE AGAIN. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT. I DO WANT TO GIVE KUDOS TO COUNCIL MEMBER BLAIR. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE GOOD FOR YOUR AREA. AND THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS HOLD SOUTHERN DALLAS HOSTAGE FROM BRINGING ANYTHING, BUT I THINK IT WAS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BRING UP THIS CONVERSATION AND TO ASK STAFF TO GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE UP POLICY DISCUSSION ON A MORE HOLISTIC APPROACH TO THE ACCOUNTABILITY OF OUR DEVELOPER COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. MAYOR. CHAIRMAN WEST, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD DISCUSSION. AND I THINK GENERALLY AS A POLICY STANDPOINT OF THE CITY, LIKE WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE VACANT LAND TO BE DEVELOPED. [00:45:04] AND IF SOMEONE'S NOT DOING THAT, ONE OF OUR CITY PARTNERS. I MEAN, THAT'S A REAL, REAL CONCERN. AND I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES IN THIS SITUATION. I WANT TO ASK STAFF THIS QUESTION. IF WE APPROVE THIS ITEM, THAT MEANS THAT IF THE PROJECT IS BUILT, THEN IT THE, THE TAXABILITY OF IT GOES AWAY AND WE GET THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN EXCHANGE. WHAT HAPPENS IF THE FEAR THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED HERE, THE DEVELOPER NEVER ACTUALLY FOLLOWS THROUGH AND BUILDS IT? WILL WE WILL WE LOSE THAT? WILL THEY GET THE BENEFIT OF THE ABATED TAXES OR NOT? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. THE DEVELOPER WOULD NOT GET THE BENEFIT OF THE ABATED TAXES. THAT'S STILL A TAXABLE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY DOES NEED TO BE DEVELOPED AND FINALIZED IN ORDER TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE FULL INCENTIVE BEING OFFERED THROUGH THE DALLAS PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION. OKAY, SO WE DON'T REALLY LOSE ANYTHING BY APPROVING THIS ITEM IF NOTHING'S EVER BUILT. SO FROM FROM MY STANDPOINT, THIS DISCUSSION, EVEN THOUGH I THINK IT'S A GOOD ONE IN THIS CASE, IS PRETTY THEORETICAL. WE REALLY JUST NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THE MERITS OF THE PFC PROJECT ITSELF, WHICH SEEM TO BE PRETTY VIABLE. THAT'S MY FEELING ON THIS. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN RIDLEY. YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THOR, DON'T GO FAR. SO, THOR, IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE APPLICANTS? ARE THERE TIMELINES BY WHICH THEY HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN LANDMARKS AND COMPLETE THE PROJECT? THIS ISN'T OPEN ENDED, IS IT? THAT'S CORRECT. I'LL TURN THIS BACK OVER TO GENERAL MANAGER AARON QUINTO TO SPEAK ABOUT THE TERMS. THANKS. THANK YOU COUNCILMAN. SO IN THE WAY THAT THESE DEALS WORK, THE PFC IS THE 100% OWNER OF THE LAND. AND SO WE CONTRACT WITH THE DEVELOPER AND THE SINGLE PURPOSE ENTITY UNDER WHICH THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO BE BUILT WITH THE PFC. AFTER COUNCIL APPROVAL, IT WILL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE PFC BOARD FOR FINAL APPROVAL. WITH ALL THOSE DOCUMENTATIONS IN OUR MOU, IT IS CONTEMPLATED THAT IF NOTHING IS BUILT BY THE TIME 18 MONTHS PASSES AFTER IT CLOSES, THEN THIS REVERTS BACK TO THE PFC AND AND THE THE DEVELOPERS OUT OF THE DEAL. OKAY. COULD YOU REVIEW THE PROCESS OF TITLE HOLDING HERE? WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY NOW? HOW DOES THE PFC ACQUIRE IT? AND DOES IT THEN REVERT BACK TO THE DEVELOPERS AFTER THE PFC OWNS IT IN FEE SIMPLE OR JUST A LEASEHOLD? YES, SIR. SO RIGHT NOW THE MASTER DEVELOPER IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, THE MASTER DEVELOPER BEING HOPE GLOBAL. OKAY. SO THEY OWN IT. IT IS TAXABLE RIGHT NOW UNTIL THE PARTNERSHIP IS CLOSED ON WITH FINANCING AND EVERYTHING IS IN PLACE TO START CONSTRUCTION. THAT IS TAXABLE. AND SO AFTER APPROVAL HERE WE'LL NEED ANOTHER PFC APPROVAL. ONCE THAT'S DONE AND THE LOAN IS ALL READY TO CLOSE, THEN THEY WILL CLOSE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN, YOU KNOW, 6 TO 10 MONTHS AFTER THIS MEETING, ASSUMING EVERYTHING GOES RIGHT. 6 TO 10 MONTHS AFTER TODAY'S MEETING OR SOONER, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON, ON MARKETS AND HOW THAT ALL LINES UP. ONCE THAT'S CLOSED, THEN THAT THAT OWNERSHIP WILL TRANSFER TO THE PARTNERSHIP OF WHICH THE PFC IS THE OWNER. SO IS THAT ONE OF THE ENTITIES LISTED HERE? HOPE GLOBAL PARTNERSHIP. NO, SIR. NO, IT'S THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT ONE LLC. CORRECT. THAT'S THAT'S THE BORROWER ENTITY. BUT WITHIN THAT SAME TRANSACTION, THE LAND IS TRANSFERRED TO THE PFC, AND IT WILL BE A, A FEE, SIMPLE OWNERSHIP WHERE IT WILL BE LEASED BACK TO THAT PARTNERSHIP UNDER THE PFC STRUCTURE. SO WHO WILL HOLD THE FEE? SIMPLE OWNERSHIP, THE PFC. OKAY. AND THEY LEASE IT BACK TO MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT ONE LLC IN A LONG TERM LEASE. YES, SIR. GROUND LEASE. OKAY. THANK YOU. MISS MENDELSOHN, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. WELL, I THINK WHAT COUNCILMEMBER RIDLEY ASKED YOU IS THE KEY HERE, WHICH IS THAT, YES, TODAY THERE IS PROPERTY TAX BEING PAID. I UNDERSTAND IT'S VACANT LAND, CORRECT. SO IT'S PROBABLY NOT THAT MUCH. BUT ACTUALLY ONCE WE VOTE FOR THIS AND YOU CLOSE ON IT, THERE WON'T BE BECAUSE YOU'LL HOLD IT AND YOU'RE NOT PAYING PROPERTY TAX. CORRECT. ONCE THE ALL OF THE FINANCING IS IN PLACE AND THAT IS CLOSED ON THAT, THEN THAT WILL BE A YEAR FROM NOW. YOU WILL NOT BE PAYING PROPERTY TAX, BUT THIS PROJECT COULD STALL FIVE OR MORE YEARS. TEN YEARS LIKE THIS COULD NEVER HAPPEN. WE MIGHT BE SITTING HERE CONGRATULATING SOMEONE, HEY, YOU GOT THIS GREAT PROJECT IN YOUR DISTRICT, BUT THE REALITY OF IT COMING TO FRUITION, I DON'T KNOW, LOOKING AT HISTORY DOESN'T SEEM REALLY PROBABLE. [00:50:04] AND WHAT WE WILL HAVE DONE IS JUST GIVEN UP THAT PROPERTY TAX FOR ALL THOSE YEARS WHILE IT SITS THERE AND LANGUISHES, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO US. IF I MAY RESPOND, IT WILL BE PAYING TAXES UNTIL WE CLOSE ON IT. SO WE WON'T CLOSE ON IT UNTIL THE CONSTRUCTION LOAN AND EVERYTHING. ALL THE PERMITS ARE PULLED AND EVERYTHING'S READY TO GO. SO UNTIL IT CLOSES AND UNTIL THAT LOAN IS FINALIZED, THIS WILL BE PAYING TAXES. OKAY. AND WHAT ABOUT SALES TAX? I MEAN, AREN'T THEY ABLE TO PURCHASE ITEMS FOR CONSTRUCTION? YES. ONCE AGAIN, ONCE WE CLOSE ON THAT CONSTRUCTION LOAN, IF IF THERE ARE TAXABLE ITEMS AND THEY USE THE PFC AS GENERAL CONTRACTOR, THOSE THOSE HARD COST TAXES WILL BE ABATED. OKAY. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO REQUEST A RECORD VOTE, PLEASE. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. MR. ROTH, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PROJECT ITSELF. IS THE IS THERE INCOME REQUIREMENTS FOR QUALIFICATION FOR THE, THE RENTERS FOR THE SPACE FOR THE APARTMENTS? YES, SIR. AND WHAT IS THAT? SO 40% OF THE UNITS WILL BE RESTRICTED TO INDIVIDUALS EARNING 80% OR LESS OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME, AND THEN 10% OF THE UNITS WILL BE RESTRICTED TO INDIVIDUALS EARNING 60% OR LESS OF THEIR MEDIAN INCOME. UPON LEASING, THEY WILL HAVE TO QUALIFY BASED ON THEIR INCOME. AND IS THERE A QUALIFICATION? WHAT IS THAT QUALIFICATION? IS IT THREE TIMES INCOME VERSUS THE ABILITY TO RENT? OR HOW WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE FORMULA? WHAT'S YOUR YOUR CREDIT REQUIREMENT FOR THOSE FOR THOSE TENANTS? THE MAXIMUM RENT IS 30% OF THE INCOME THE TENANT EARNS. I'M SORRY, 30% IS THE MAXIMUM THAT THEY CAN PAY OF THEIR INCOME. SO IT'S LESS THAN A THIRD. OKAY. SO THEY HAVE TO MAKE AT LEAST 30% OF THEIR INCOME HAS TO EQUAL THE RENT. HIGH COUNCIL MEMBER INCOME DETERMINATION IS BASED UPON A HOUSEHOLD'S INCOME. THE INCOMES ARE SET BY HUD EVERY YEAR FOR OUR ANNUAL OUR AREA MEDIAN INCOME FOR A HOUSEHOLD, 80% FAMILY OF FOUR MIGHT MAKES $97,000 A YEAR. THE THE UNITS, CAPPED AT 80%, USE HUD'S FORMULA AS WELL FOR WHAT THE RENTAL PRICE CAN BE, COMPARED TO 30% OF THEIR INCOME AT THE 80% AMI BAND. SO ALL OF THESE PROJECTS FOLLOW AN INCOME FORMULA DERIVED FROM HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT ON A YEARLY BASIS. THE LEASES ARE UPDATED ANNUALLY BASED ON THAT THE PROPERTY MANAGERS ARE TRAINED ON HOW TO DO INCOME CALCULATIONS BASED UPON THE HOUSEHOLD, ADULT EARNERS IN THAT HOUSE ALL COMBINED TO COME UP WITH THE HOUSEHOLD INCOME ON A, ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. SO AN AMI FOR ONE, ONE, ONE PERSON THING IS USUALLY ABOUT 40,000, 45,000, GIVE OR TAKE. MY QUESTION IS, IF SOMEBODY'S GOING TO RENT THAT UNIT AT A 30% OR 50% LEVEL WHAT IS THE RENTERS REQUIREMENT OF BEING ABLE TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF INCOME TO PAY THAT THOUSAND DOLLAR A MONTH RENT IS $1,000 HAS TO BE A THIRD OF THEIR INCOME OR NOT. YES, THAT'S THE QUESTION I'M ASKING. AND IT'S NOT ABOUT AM I? IT'S ABOUT YOU STILL HAVE A QUALIFICATION FOR THE RENTER THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF INCOME IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO PAY THE RENT, REGARDLESS OF WHERE WHERE THEY ARE IN THE STACK OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. SO THE INCOME BAN UP TO 60% IS THAT'S THE UNIT RENT. SO A FAMILY COMING IN AT 30% WILL STILL HAVE TO PAY THAT UP TO 60% RENT. BUT THAT FAMILY IS USUALLY COMING WITH A VOUCHER TO COVER THE GAP. THEY MIGHT HAVE A PROJECT BASED VOUCHER ON OTHER PROJECTS OR TENANT BASED VOUCHER TO COVER THE GAP OF WHAT THEY'RE WHAT THEY'RE OFFERING, BUT THOSE UNITS ARE SET ASIDE AT THAT 60% LEVEL, 80% LEVEL, AND THEN THE MARKET RATE IS NOT INCOME RESTRICTED. THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTEERING, BECAUSE THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION WAS, IS THERE VOUCHERS? IS THERE OTHER RENT OR INCENTIVES TO ALLOW FOLKS TO DO THAT. NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, IS THE PFC GIVING ANY OTHER INCENTIVES OTHER THAN THE TAX ABATEMENT FOR SALES TAX AND REAL ESTATE TAXES? ARE THEY? OR IS THERE GOING TO BE A REQUEST FROM THE DEVELOPER FOR ANY LOANS FROM US OR ANY ANY OTHER GRANTS OR ANY OTHER REQUESTS FOR ENTITLEMENTS? NO, SIR. THE PROPERTY IS ALREADY ENTITLED AND WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY OTHER GRANTS OR ANY OTHER THE PFC GRANTING ANY ANY OTHER LOANS OR ANYTHING TO YOU ALL? NO, SIR. IS YOUR FINANCING IN PLACE? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST AGENDA ITEM FIVE, MADAM SECRETARY. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I'M HAVE NOT HEARD A LOT OF REASONS WHY WE SHOULD SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. [00:55:04] I WANTED TO GIVE MR. GIAQUINTO OR THE DEVELOPER AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN WHY THIS IS A GOOD LOCATION FOR THE PFC. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THIS DEAL. USUALLY I READ THE UNDERWRITING REPORTS, I. NO ONE'S TALKED TO ME ABOUT IT, SO I'M NOT PREPARED TO DEFEND IT. IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE DEAL AND WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING GOALS. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER WEST. SO THIS THIS PROJECT, LIKE THE DEVELOPER SAID IN HIS REMARKS, IT'S PART OF A 270 ACRE MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT. THE IDEA IS TO HAVE A VIBRANT, MIXED INCOME COMMUNITY WITH HOTEL, RETAIL, OFFICE AND RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTIAL, INCLUDING APARTMENTS, BOTH AFFORDABLE MARKET RATE AND WHAT WE CALL WORKFORCE. THERE'S ALSO A 570 UNITS PLANNED OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. AND SO AGAIN, THIS IS A VIBRANT, VERY DIVERSE COMMUNITY. THIS IS JUST ONE PORTION OF IT, BUT IT'S VITAL TO BE ABLE TO CONSERVE SOME AFFORDABILITY IN AND THESE VARIOUS INCOME BANDS SO THAT AS THIS AREA IS DEVELOPED AND IT GROWS UP WITH THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY, THERE ARE PLACES FOR FOLKS OF OF ALL INCOMES. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON FOR AGAINST AGENDA ITEM FIVE RECORD VOTES BEEN REQUESTED. SO MADAM SECRETARY, GO AHEAD AND CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE STATE YES IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR. NO. IF YOU OPPOSE COUNCIL MEMBER WEST. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. GRACEY. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. CADENA. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BAZALDUA. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BLAIR. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BLACKMON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. STEWART. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. ROTH. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. MENDELSOHN. NO. COUNCILMEMBER. WILLIS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. RIDLEY. YES. DEPUTY MAYOR. PRO TEM. JOHNSON. YES, MAYOR PRO TEM RESENDEZ YES. MAYOR JOHNSON YES. WITH 14 VOTING IN FAVOR, ONE OPPOSED. THE ITEM PASSES, MR. MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT IN ORDER. [9. 26-2125A Authorize Supplemental Agreement No. 3 to the professional services contract with Black & Veatch Corporation for additional construction management services associated with the Mill Creek/Peaks Branch/State-Thomas Drainage Relief Tunnel Project - Not to exceed $5,555,000.00, from $32,301,000.00 to $37,856,000.00 - Financing: Flood Protection and Storm Drainage Facilities Fund (2006 General Obligation Bond Fund) *In alignment with Capital Improvement Program.] THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NINE. AGENDA ITEM NINE. AUTHORIZED SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT. NUMBER THREE TO THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT WITH BLACK AND VEATCH CORPORATION FOR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT SERVICES ASSOCIATED WITH THE MILL CREEK PEAKS BRANCH. STATE THOMAS DRAINAGE RELIEF TUNNEL PROJECT NOT TO EXCEED $5,555,000 FROM $32,301,000 TO $856,000. THIS ITEM WAS PULLED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN. I HEARD A MOTION AND A SECOND. IT WAS PULLED BY MISS MENDELSOHN. YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. ITEM NINE. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. CAN YOU TELL US WHAT PERCENT OF THIS PROJECT IS COMPLETE? GOOD MORNING, SARAH STANDIFER, DALLAS WATER UTILITIES. WE ARE AT 88% COMPLETE ON THE PROJECT. GREAT. THE GOOD NEWS IS I DID SEND YOU THE QUESTIONS IN ADVANCE. SO YOU SHOULD BE GETTING AN A ON THIS. WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL TOTAL COST OF THE PROJECT IN 2018 AND WHAT IS IT TODAY? THE TOTAL PROJECT BUDGET WAS 323 MILLION. IT WAS. TO DATE, COSTS ARE 283289. IF YOU COMPLETE THIS TRANSACTION TODAY. THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION VALUE WAS 206. IT INCREASED TO 212.6 AS A PRIOR ACTION. AND WHAT ARE. WHEN WAS IT SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN COMPLETED? THE ORIGINAL COMPLETION DATE WAS MARCH OF 2023. IT WAS EXTENDED BY ACTION TO JANUARY 2024, AND THE CURRENT CONTRACTOR SCHEDULE SHOWS IT AS JULY 2028. HOWEVER, OUR PROJECT DELIVERY TEAM IS ESTIMATING EARLY 2029. SO HOW DOES IT GO FROM 2023 TO 2029? SO AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY, SOME OF THE DELAYS THAT IMPACTED THAT TIMELINE WAS THE DELIVERY OF THE TUNNEL BORING MACHINE. THERE WERE SOME COVID AND SUPPLY CHAIN DISRUPTIONS THAT OCCURRED. THERE WERE ALSO PERMITTING CHANGES THAT AFFECTED THE CONCRETE PRODUCTION THE TBM AND THE SUPPORTIVE EQUIPMENT. THERE WERE SOME BREAKDOWNS AND DELAYS IN REPAIRING THOSE AND PRODUCTION RATES OF THE EXCAVATION, AS WELL AS THE CONCRETE LINING, WERE SLOWER THAN WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED. AND SO WHO IS BEARING THE CONSEQUENCES OF COST ESCALATION AND DELAY. [01:00:02] I MEAN, IT SOUNDS WHEN WHEN I'M READING THIS, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S ALL ON THE CITY. SO OUR, OUR CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT WAS WRITTEN WITH MILESTONES BASED ON CALENDAR DAYS. THE CITY DOES TRACK THOSE AND WE CAN ALSO ASSESS LIQUIDATED DAMAGES. WE CAN USE THOSE AS LEVERAGES TO OFFSET ANY COST ESCALATIONS. WE, HOWEVER, DO NOT PAY FOR ANY DELAYS OR LABOR INCREASES. WE HAVE TO STICK WITH THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT AMOUNTS. SO THESE THESE ARE RISKS THAT THE CONTRACTORS TAKE WHEN THEY BID JOBS WITH THE CITY FOR LOW BID CONTRACTS. AND SO HAVE YOU EXECUTED ANY OF THOSE? WE DO TRACK THOSE ON A MONTH TO MONTH BASIS. AND THOSE ARE PART OF OUR DAILY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TEAM AS WELL AS COORDINATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. SO THIS IS A YES OR NO QUESTION. HAVE YOU EXECUTED ANY OF THESE LIQUID DAMAGES FOR THE COST ESCALATION. AND THE LIQUIDATED DAMAGES ARE PROVIDED AND ASSESSED TO THE CONTRACTOR ON A MONTHLY BASIS AS PART OF THE PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH. AND SO HOW MUCH HAS THAT BEEN, AT THIS TIME. THE LIQUIDATED DAMAGES ARE ESTIMATED AT. JUST A SECOND. JUST HAD A 19.5 MILLION. IS THE CURRENT LIQUIDATED DAMAGES THAT ARE ASSESSED AGAINST THE CONTRACT? SO THE REAL QUESTION THAT I HAVE IN ALL OF THIS IS, IF OUR CONTRACTS ARE ACTUALLY BEING WRITTEN TO PROTECT THE CITY, TO PROTECT THE TAXPAYER, AND TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE SWIFT COMPLETION OF OUR PROJECTS. AND I MEAN, THIS IS JUST SO MANY YEARS OVERDUE THAT I MEAN, I JUST THINK THAT IT WAS WORTHY OF A CONVERSATION. AND WHAT DO YOU THINK COULD HAVE HAPPENED SO THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN THIS SITUATION? I'M SORRY I DIDN'T GIVE YOU THAT QUESTION. SO I THINK THAT TUNNEL BORING PROJECTS LIKE THIS ARE VERY UNIQUE. THERE'S A LIMITED CONTRACTING POOL. I THINK THAT WE HAVE TOLD YOU ALL PREVIOUSLY THAT WE DO BELIEVE, TO SOME EXTENT, THAT WE WERE OVERLY OPTIMISTIC INITIALLY AMONGST THE COMMUNITY THAT IT COULD BE DONE FASTER. I THINK THAT THE PROJECT IN AND OF ITSELF IS SLOWER THAN WHAT PEOPLE ANTICIPATED. IT IS STILL WITHIN THE PROJECT BUDGET. IT WILL GET DELIVERED. IT'S IMPORTANT TO DELIVER THE PROJECT. THERE ARE 2200 COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT RECEIVE PROTECTION FROM THIS. AS WE GET TOWARDS THOSE END OF THE PROJECTS IS WHEN WE WILL, WE'LL WRAP THOSE UP. THERE'S NO QUESTION IT'S AN IMPORTANT PROJECT. AND I THINK I'VE SAID BEFORE, IT'S A GENIUS IDEA ON HOW THIS WAS EVEN BROUGHT TOGETHER, THE VARIOUS PROJECTS INTO ONE MASSIVE. I MEAN, I, I THINK IT'S REALLY GREAT, BUT THE QUESTION IS, WHAT COULD WE HAVE DONE TO NOT HAVE THIS KIND OF A DELAY? I THINK THAT THERE'S DELAYS THAT THE CONTRACTOR COULD HAVE DONE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY. BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THERE WAS A STORM THAT DID OCCUR. IT WAS BID PRIOR TO COVID. WE ARE LOOKING AT DELAYS IN MANUFACTURING. I THINK CONTRACTING TOOLS, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN OTHER CONTRACTS, THERE ARE OTHER CONTRACTING TOOLS WE CAN USE. AT THE TIME, THIS WAS A LOW BID. THAT'S THE WAY THE COMMUNITY DID THESE. BUT YOU'VE SEEN US SORT OF TRANSITION TO USE SEEMA'S AND TO USE RFQS. NOW IN IN PROJECTS THAT ARE LARGE LIKE THIS, THAT HAVE A LOT OF VARIABLES. WELL, IT'S SIX YEARS. I MEAN, THAT'S NOT JUST A COVID ISSUE, BUT. OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS, I APPRECIATE IT. CHAIRMAN MORENO, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES AGENDA ITEM NINE. THANK YOU. MAYOR. SARAH, THANK YOU FOR THE NUMBER OF TOURS THAT YOU AND I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GO DOWN TO SEE THE PROGRESS OF THIS MUCH NEEDED TUNNEL THAT WILL NOT ONLY SAVE LIVES, BUT WILL ALSO SAVE A LOT OF PROPERTY THAT WILL KEEP THOSE PROPERTIES ON OUR ON OUR TAX ROLLS IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO TO HAVE THAT REINVESTMENT. THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THERE'S A LOT OF FRUSTRATION ABOUT THE THE DELAYS HERE. AND SO RATHER THAN TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE COULD HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY, LET'S TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT FUTURE PROJECTS AND WHAT WE CAN DO IN ORDER TO SHARE THEM MORE UP AND MAKING SURE THAT WHEN THERE ARE DELAYS, WE ARE HOLDING THOSE CONTRACTORS RESPONSIBLE. BUT THIS PROJECT IS VERY IT'S UNIQUE. IT'S ONE OF A KIND. I THINK IT'S AT THE TIME WAS, IF NOT STILL THE LARGEST BORING PROJECT OF ITS KIND. AND WE, WE HAVE FOLKS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD COMING TO DALLAS TO LOOK AT THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING. SO TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MAGNITUDE OF THIS PROJECT AND IF DALLAS HAS IT EVER DONE ANYTHING SIMILAR TO IT? AND WHAT WHAT WE'VE LEARNED ALONG THE WAY. SO TO YOUR POINT, THE THE ACTUAL TUNNEL ITSELF IS ONE OF THE LARGEST DEEP EXCAVATED STORM [01:05:03] DRAINAGE TUNNELS THAT YOU WILL FIND. AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS BUILT, IT WAS BID OUT WITH A VERY PARTICULAR TIME FRAME BECAUSE THERE WERE A LIMITED NUMBER OF COMPANIES THAT DO THIS KIND OF WORK THAT CAN DO THIS KIND OF WORK. AND SO THAT PARTICULAR YEAR THAT WAS BID, THERE WERE A TOTAL OF SIX PROJECTS ACROSS THE WORLD THAT WERE BID OUT AND HAD TO BE BID OUT IN A TIMING SEQUENCE TO MAKE SURE YOU HAD BIDDERS AT THE TABLE. RIGHT. AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THE PROJECT, WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY COME IN. THIS TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE DRAINAGE WORLD IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE MOVING FORWARD, BECAUSE URBAN COMMUNITIES HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE. YOU GOT TO GO DOWN TO GET THAT DRAINAGE WATER MOVING. WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO AND WHAT WE HAVE WORKED WITH, EVERYBODY IS MAKING SURE THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT. WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO HELP THEM MOVE FORWARD. WE WENT FROM 70FT OF CONCRETE LINING. WE'RE UP TO ABOUT 250FT NOW ON A DAILY BASIS. WE'VE GOT LESSONS LEARNED THAT WE'VE SHARED WITH THE COMMUNITY WHEN THEY COME IN. AND THIS IS THE FIRST OF THIS PROJECT. AND THEN AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE REMAINING STREET LEVEL DRAINAGE THAT THEN CONNECTS TO THESE. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THESE BASINS FOR THE NEXT 10 TO 15 YEARS, ACTIVATING ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN THERE. THANK YOU FOR THAT. OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE WANT TO HAVE DONE. AND I DO WANT TO THANK YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR ANY TIME THAT WE HAVE A FLOOD. I KNOW YOU AND I ARE ALWAYS ON THE PHONE AND MONITORING THE WEATHER AND DOING WHAT WE CAN IN ORDER TO PREVENT ANY FURTHER DAMAGE FROM, FROM OCCURRING. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THAT JUST HAS TO GET DONE. IN ORDER TO PROTECT THOSE LIVES AND PROPERTY THAT THIS WAS DESIGNED FOR AGAIN. YES. LET'S LOOK AT WAYS TO IMPROVE OUR CONTRACTS IN THE FUTURE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HOLDING, WHETHER IT'S A CONTRACTOR OR THE SUPPLIER RESPONSIBLE TO GETTING THE PROJECTS DELIVERED IN A TIMELY MANNER AND FASHION. THANK YOU. MR. ROTH, RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON AGENDA ITEM NINE. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN ADDRESSED SEVERAL OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD, BUT I DID HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION REGARDING THE TIMELINE. YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS PROJECT IS 88, ALMOST 90% COMPLETE, BUT WE STILL HAVE NEARLY TWO AND A HALF, THREE YEARS TO, TO STILL FINISH IT. I MEAN, I'M GETTING A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCONNECT BETWEEN BEING 90% COMPLETE AND STILL HAVING TO WAIT THREE YEARS. WHAT, WHAT'S THE HOW, WHAT'S THE DELAY? WHAT'S THE TIMING? WHY IS THERE SORT OF. IF WE'RE AT THE GOAL LINE, WHY CAN'T WE GET OVER IT A LITTLE BIT FASTER? YEAH. SO A MAJORITY OF THE PROJECT INCLUDE THE EXCAVATION OF THE TUNNEL, WHICH WAS COMPLETED IN 2022. THE OTHER MAJOR COMPONENT IS THE LINING OF THE TUNNEL WHICH WE'RE CURRENTLY UNDERWAY. IT'S ABOUT 64% COMPLETE, I BELIEVE. SO WE GOT THAT IS THE BULK OF THE WORK THAT IS STILL LEFT IS CONTINUING LINING THE TUNNEL. AND WE'RE ESTIMATING THAT TO BE COMPLETE BY THE END OF 2027. AFTER THAT, WE HAVE TO ACTIVATE THE AREA. SARAH WAS TALKING ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS. SO THOSE DRAINAGE CONNECTIONS HAVE TO CONNECT INTO THE TUNNEL. WE HAVE TO DO THAT LAST BECAUSE WE CAN'T SEND FLOODWATER INTO THE TUNNEL UNTIL IT'S COMPLETE AND EVERYTHING'S COMPLETE. SO THOSE SURFACE IMPROVEMENTS ARE KIND OF WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT LAST ESSENTIALLY YEAR OF THE PROJECT TO GET US TO THE, YOU KNOW, LATE 2028 OR POSSIBLY 2029, WHICH OUR TEAM IS CONSERVATIVELY ESTIMATING BASED ON THE CONTRACTOR'S SCHEDULE, BECAUSE PROJECTS LIKE THIS, THINGS COME UP, THINGS HAPPEN AT ONE POINT IN TIME. THIS WAS THE LARGEST ROCK TUNNEL IN THE UNITED STATES, AND I THINK MAYBE EVEN IN THE WORLD AT ONE TIME. SO THIS IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT ONCE OF A LIFETIME PROJECT. SO THINGS DO DO COME UP AND AND WE TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE AS BEST WE CAN. AND, AND MAYBE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOUR ANSWER TO CONGRESS, TO A COUNCIL MEMBER. MENDELSSOHN'S QUESTION IS THERE, IS THERE A FIXED COST NOW? SO THAT IS THERE POTENTIAL FURTHER OVERRUNS OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS THAT WE MAY BE SUSCEPTIBLE TO? OR IS THERE SORT OF A FIXED COST AT THIS POINT THAT WE CAN RELY ON? YES, SIR. THE CURRENT CONTRACT VALUE IS A LITTLE OVER 212 MILLION. IT STARTED AT 206. THAT IS THE CURRENT CONTRACT VALUE. AS WE ARE ASSESSING AND ACCRUING LIQUIDATED DAMAGES FOR THE SCHEDULED DELAYS, THE CONTRACTOR HAS ALSO SUBMITTED CLAIMS THAT ARE BEING HELD AT THIS TIME. SO THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS OF HOW LIQUIDATED DAMAGES OCCUR IN REALITY UNDER CONTRACT. THEY'RE OFTEN USED AS NEGOTIATION LEVERAGE AT THE END TO, TO TRUE UP THE END OF THE CONTRACT. SO YES, THERE IS POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL COST TO THE CITY, BUT WE ALSO HAVE LEVERAGE IN THAT THESE LIQUIDATED DAMAGES HAVE ACCRUED. ANYTIME YOU HAVE CONSTRUCTION, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THINGS TO OCCUR. [01:10:05] THE GOOD THING IS WE HAVE EXCAVATED THE TUNNEL. THAT IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST AND DONE A LOT OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENTS, JUST NOT CONNECTED THEM YET. SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT TYPICALLY PRESENT A LOT OF RISK IN CONSTRUCTION FOR UNFORESEEN CONDITIONS. SO I DON'T FORESEE A BIG RISK AND ADDITIONAL THINGS OCCURRING OTHER THAN WHAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS THE CURRENT CONTRACTOR CLAIMS FOR ESCALATION AND COVID IMPACTS AGAINST THOSE LIQUIDATED DAMAGES THAT THE CITY IS ACCRUING. AND SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 323 MILLION POTENTIALLY VERSUS THE 212. THAT'S A $100 MILLION. YEAH. YEAH. THE 323 MILLION WAS THE AMOUNT APPROVED BY THE TWO BOND PROGRAMS. THE 289 WITH THE AWARD OF THIS SUPPLEMENT IS WHAT WE'VE SPENT TO DATE, WHICH INCLUDES ENGINEERING, CONSTRUCTION, MANAGEMENT SERVICES, CONSTRUCTION SERVICES, RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT GO INTO THE OVERALL PROJECT COST. AND AGAIN, WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS, IT'S NOT TO, TO BEAT UP ON THE AMOUNT, BUT THIS IS A, EVEN IF YOU DO 289, YOU'RE AT 75 MILLION, $80 MILLION MORE THAN WHAT YOU STARTED ON A TWO 200. THAT'S ALMOST 50%. SO I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S, THERE'S COST OVERRUNS IN, IN EVERY CONSTRUCTION, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME CONTINGENCY. BUT I WOULD REALLY HOPE THAT WE WOULD AGAIN, NOT PENALIZE SOMEBODY IMPROPERLY, BUT BE ACCOUNT, MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ACCOUNTABILITY FOR DELAYS AND WHERE THOSE DELAYS REALLY COME FROM. AND BASED ON THE THE DATES OF THIS PROJECT, WE KNOW COSTS ARE GOING TO GO UP OVER THE NEXT 2 OR 3 YEARS. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE COSTS ARE IN OUR CONTRACTING IN THE FUTURE, ARE REALLY PUSHED ON TO THE FOLKS THAT THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR GETTING THE JOB DONE. YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY ONE THING. THE THE ACTUAL INCREASE IN THE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES CONTRACT IS ONLY THAT 6 MILLION. THOSE ADDITIONAL COSTS I MENTIONED WERE BUILT IN COSTS FOR THE ENGINEERING THAT REQUIRED BEFORE THE JOB, THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT SERVICES, THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION. SO WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT SERVICES FOR DUE TO AN EXTENDED DURATION, ALL THOSE OTHER COSTS WERE NOT ADDED COSTS. THOSE WERE ACTUAL COSTS OF THE PROJECT. SO GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. CHAIRMAN RIDLEY RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. ITEM NINE. THANK YOU MAYOR. SO THIS PARTICULAR ITEM BEFORE US TODAY IS TO AUTHORIZE A SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT FOR BLACK AND VEATCH, INCREASING THEIR CONTRACT BY $5.5 MILLION. NOW, IS THAT SOLELY DRIVEN BY THE EXTENDED SCHEDULE CAUSED BY THE DELAY IN THE PROJECT? THAT IS CORRECT. IT'S NOT DUE TO ANY INCREASE IN THE SCOPE OF THEIR SERVICES. NO, SIR. SO WILL THIS $5.5 MILLION BE CHARGED AGAINST THE CONTRACTOR IN THE FORM OF LIQUIDATED DAMAGES? SO THE WAY LIQUIDATED DAMAGES WORK, THERE IS A VALUE ASSESSED PER DAY. I THINK IT'S $20,000 PER DAY. WHEN YOU GET INTO I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO PLAY LAWYER, BUT WHEN YOU TRY TO GET INTO LEGAL BATTLES OVER THESE KIND OF THINGS, IT'S, IT'S WHAT THE ACTUAL COST IS TO THE OWNER THAT IS SOMETIMES ALLOWED, EVEN IF THE LIQUIDATED DAMAGES MAY EXCEED THAT AMOUNT. SO WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED OBVIOUSLY IS THE AMOUNT THAT WE'VE SPENT IN EXCESS BECAUSE OF THE EXTENDED DURATION. IF YOU TAKE THE SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENTS ALONE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT SERVICES, WE'RE LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY $18 MILLION. SO HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. IF NOT, I CAN. WELL, I AM A CONSTRUCTION LAWYER. LIQUIDATED DAMAGES ARE SET IN THE CONTRACT BASED UPON A REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF WHAT THE COSTS OF DELAY WILL BE. THEY AREN'T GOVERNED BY WHAT THE ACTUAL COSTS OF DELAY ARE, WHICH COULD BE MORE OR LESS THAN THE LIQUIDATED DAMAGE AMOUNT THAT THE PARTIES HAVE FREELY AGREED TO AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CONTRACT TERM. AND SO MY QUESTION IS SIMPLY, GIVEN THAT THE $5.5 MILLION IS DETERMINED BY A CERTAIN PERIOD OF DELAY, WILL THE LIQUIDATED DAMAGES THAT WILL BE CHARGED FOR THAT PERIOD OF DELAY BE SUFFICIENT TO DEFRAY THE $5.5 MILLION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY BLACK AND VEATCH. THAT'S MY QUESTION. YES, SIR. BASED ON THE ACCRUED DAMAGES TO DATE, THEY, I THINK, ARE AROUND 19 MILLION, AS SARAH MENTIONED. WHEN BASED ON THE CONTRACTOR SCHEDULE COMPLETION, IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT 38 MILLION. THE ADDITIONAL SERVICES FOR CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT IN TOTAL THROUGH THE COMPLETION ARE ABOUT 18 TO 19 MILLION. OKAY. SO THEY WILL EXCEED THE AMOUNT. THANK YOU. MR. BAZALDUA. RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. AGENDA ITEM NINE. [01:15:04] THANK YOU. MAYOR. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GET ON RECORD THAT THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE AN EXTENDED DELAY ON REMOVING THE BATCH PLANT ON SCYENE. I UNDERSTAND THAT THINGS HAVE COME UP AND I DO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT FULLY, BUT WE'VE ALREADY GONE TO THE COMMUNITY ONCE WITH A VERY CONTENTIOUS BATCH PLANT THAT IS ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL AND IS NOT IN AN IDEAL LOCATION, WAS TOLD THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE TEMPORARY. AND I THINK THE LATEST UPDATE THAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD TO THE TO THE COMMUNITY IS THAT THIS BATCH PLANT WOULD WOULD BE UP IN NOVEMBER OF 27. CAN YOU, CAN YOU, CAN YOU EXPAND ON WHAT THE IMPACT WILL BE TO THIS BATCH PLANT'S EXISTENCE? YES. THANK YOU. YOUR RECOLLECTION IS CORRECT. WE RECENTLY MET WITH THE COMMUNITY, TOLD THEM THE SCHEDULE. THE BATCH PLANT NEEDS TO CONTINUE AND REMAIN OPERATIONAL THROUGH THE LINING OF THE TUNNEL. WHICH IS OCTOBER. NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR IS THE CURRENT CONTRACTOR SCHEDULE. SO AT THAT TIME WE'VE MADE IT CLEAR THAT THE CONTRACTOR IS NOT ABLE TO CONTINUE USE OF THE BATCH PLANT BEYOND THE LINING OF THE TUNNEL. SO THERE IS, IT'S TEMPORARY AND IT'S APPROVED BY SUP. THEY HAVE NO AUTHORIZATION TO CONTINUE USE OF IT FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE PROJECT, SO I. YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE IS NOT A NEED IN NOVEMBER UNTIL PAST NOVEMBER 27TH, IF THERE IS GOING TO BE A NEED. HAVE YOU ALL ALREADY WORKED ON A CONTINGENCY PLAN TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE? SO BASICALLY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S VERY CLEAR. I WAS SPECIFIC ABOUT IT BEING NOVEMBER 2027, BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M STILL HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT NO SUP IS GOING TO GET GRANTED. YES, SIR, I APOLOGIZE. I MAY HAVE SAID NOVEMBER 2026. I MEANT TO SAY NOVEMBER 2027. YES, THAT IS CORRECT. IF THE IF THERE'S WORK THAT STILL NEEDS TO OCCUR AFTER THAT DATE FOR SOME REASON, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT OPTIONS. THE CONTRACTOR HAS THE OPTION TO USE YOU KNOW, CONCRETE TRUCKS. WE'VE KIND OF WORKED WITH THE COMMUNITY AND SAID THAT THAT WOULD BE A HUGE IMPACT, ESPECIALLY FOR THE LINING OF THE TUNNEL BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER AND THE AMOUNT THAT WOULD BE GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS. SO OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, PLAN B IF NECESSARY. IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN THAT WE'D HAVE TO CONSIDER THE IMPACT OF THAT VERSUS THE CONTINUED EXTENSION OF THE BATCH PLAN. BUT AS YOU MENTIONED, THE CITY HAS THE ABILITY TO APPROVE THE SUPR EXTENSIONS. AND IF NOT, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS. PERFECT. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARITY AND FOR PUTTING THAT ON RECORD. I DO THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT. IT'S GOING TO BRING GREAT RELIEF. AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN PROBABLY A HEADACHE FOR YOU ALL TO GET TO THE FINISH LINE. MY, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE IMPACT, THE DIRECT IMPACT IT HAS ON THE AIR QUALITY AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE ABILITY TO BRING IN ECONOMIC GROWTH IN THIS AREA. SO I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION OF THE TEMPORARY USE. THANK YOU MAYOR. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST AGENDA ITEM NINE? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. NEXT ITEM. AGENDA ITEM 11. AUTHORIZED THE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES CONTRACT FOR THE 2024 BOND TRAFFIC [11. 26-2369A Authorize a construction services contract for the 2024 Bond Traffic Signal Construction - Group 6 project to construct four new traffic signals at the intersections of Masters Drive at Checota Drive, Pear Ridge Drive at Haverwood Drive, Jefferson Boulevard at Van Buren Avenue, and Buckner Boulevard at Gross Road - EAR Telecommunications, LLC dba EARTC, lowest responsible bidder of seven - Not to exceed $1,522,225.10 - Financing: Street and Transportation (A) Fund (2024 General Obligation Bond Fund) *In alignment with Vision Zero Plan.] SIGNAL CONSTRUCTION GROUP SIX PROJECT TO CONSTRUCT FOUR NEW TRAFFIC SIGNALS AT INTERSECTIONS OF MASTERS DRIVE AT YOKOTA DRIVE, PERRYRIDGE DRIVE AT RIVERWOOD DRIVE, JEFFERSON BOULEVARD AT VAN BUREN AVENUE AND BUCKNER BOULEVARD AT GROSS ROAD. ERE EAR TELECOMMUNICATIONS LLC DBAEART. LOWEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER OF SEVEN NOT TO EXCEED $1,522,225.10. YOU DO HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. MADISON MCNAIR. YOUR MICROPHONE. THERE'S A BUTTON AT THE BASE. SORRY, GUYS. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING ONCE AGAIN, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS MADISON MCNAIR. I'M A LIFELONG RESIDENT CURRENTLY LIVING IN D1 AND WORKING IN D2. I WANTED TO COME TO COVER SOME OF OUR COUNTRY'S DISABILITY HISTORY WHEN I SPOKE EARLIER THIS MORNING TO PREPARE AND EDUCATE ALL OF US FOR THIS ONE, AS WE SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11 BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION TODAY BY MY PERSONAL COUNCIL MEMBER, CHAD WEST. I WANT TO ADDRESS A SPECIFIC CONCERN THE INTERSECTIONS AT 12TH AND BISHOP JEFFERSON AND ADAMS AND BISHOP IN JEFFERSON. THESE INTERSECTIONS, ALONG WITH 19 OTHER INTERSECTIONS ACROSS DALLAS, ARE BEING UPDATED FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 1980. WHILE THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE OUR STREETS SAFER AND MORE ACCESSIBLE, THE CURRENT CONSTRUCTION IS CREATING BARRIERS THAT MAKE IT DIFFICULT, IF NOT COMPLETELY [01:20:04] IMPOSSIBLE, FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES TO NAVIGATE INTO OR PASS THESE INTERSECTIONS. FOR SOMEONE WHO USES A WHEELCHAIR OR WALKER OR OTHER MOBILITY AID, THESE BARRIERS ARE MORE THAN AN INCONVENIENCE. THEY CAN PREVENT US FROM REACHING OUR DESTINATION SAFELY AND INDEPENDENTLY. I UNDERSTAND THAT CONSTRUCTION TAKES TIME AND I SUPPORT IMPROVING OUR CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT PROGRESS SHOULD NOT COME AT THE EXPENSE OF ACCESSIBILITY. PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES STILL NEED TO GET TO WORK, ATTEND APPOINTMENTS, AND PARTICIPATE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHILE CONSTRUCTION IS UNDERWAY. AS A PERSON WITH A DISABILITY, I UNDERSTAND HOW CHALLENGING IT CAN BE TO NAVIGATE A CITY THAT DOES NOT ALWAYS CONSIDER OUR NEEDS. THINGS THAT OTHERS MAY TAKE FOR GRANTED, LIKE CROSSING A STREET OR NAVIGATING A SIDEWALK, CAN BECOME SERIOUS OBSTACLES WHEN ACCESSIBILITY IS OVERLOOKED. WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO SACRIFICE OUR SAFETY AND INDEPENDENCE WHILE OUR CITY IS BEING IMPROVED. I'M ASKING CITY COUNCIL TO WORK WITH THE APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENTS AND CONTRACTORS TO ADDRESS THESE BARRIERS IMMEDIATELY. WE NEED SAFE, CONTINUOUS, ACCESSIBLE PEDESTRIAN RATES DURING CONSTRUCTION. IF SIDEWALKS OR CROSSINGS MUST BE CLOSED, THERE MUST BE ACCESSIBLE ALTERNATIVE ROUTES THAT PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES CAN ACTUALLY USE. A DETOUR IS NOT A SOLUTION IF A PERSON USING A WHEELCHAIR CANNOT NAVIGATE IT. I ALSO ASK THAT PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES BE INCLUDED IN PLANNING AND EVALUATING THESE PROJECTS. WE UNDERSTAND THESE CHALLENGES FIRSTHAND, AND OUR VOICES DESERVE TO BE HEARD BEFORE PROBLEMS OCCUR, NOT AFTER. IF THESE INTERSECTIONS ARE BEING UPDATED FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 1980S 1980, LET US USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO DO THINGS RIGHT. LET US ENSURE THAT ACCESSIBILITY IS CONSIDERED THROUGHOUT CONSTRUCTION AND IN EVERY FUTURE CITY PROJECT. I'M NOT ASKING FOR SPECIAL TREATMENT. I AM ASKING FOR THE SAME OPPORTUNITY. EVERYONE ELSE DESERVES TO MOVE THROUGH OUR CITY SAFELY AND INDEPENDENTLY. A CITY IS NOT TRULY ACCESSIBLE IF PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES CANNOT SAFELY NAVIGATE IT WHILE IT IS BEING IMPROVED. PLEASE ADDRESS THESE BARRIERS AND MAKE ACCESSIBILITY A PRIORITY IN DALLAS GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LISTENING. THANK YOU. THERE ARE NO FURTHER SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM. MR. MAYOR, THIS ITEM WAS PULLED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WEST. IS THERE A MOTION ON ITEM 11? I HEARD A MOTION TO APPROVE. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. WHO PULLED IT? COUNCILMEMBER WEST, ARE YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES? IF YOU WANT IT. YES. THANK YOU. GO FOR IT. SO COLLEAGUES, I, I FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK MISS MCNAIR FOR COMING TODAY AND SPEAKING AND BRINGING ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT ALONG JEFFERSON BOULEVARD, ALL FOUR CORNERS HAVE THE ADA RAMPS BLOCKED. SO A PERSON WHO IS MOBILITY CHALLENGE HAS LITERALLY GOT TO GO OUT ONTO JEFFERSON BOULEVARD IN TRAFFIC TO CROSS AN INTERSECTION. AND NOT, NOT ON THE INTERSECTION, BUT ON THE ACTUAL DRIVING LANE. THIS ITEM IS NOT FOR THAT INTERSECTION, BUT IT'S FOR REDOING TRAFFIC SIGNALS AT FOUR NEW LOCATIONS. SOME OF THEM WITHIN DISTRICT ONE. AND I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE. I MADE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THIS ITEM FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. WE, WE WANT NEW TRAFFIC SIGNALS IN DISTRICT ONE. I KNOW WE WANT THEM ACROSS THE CITY. THEY'RE VERY IMPORTANT. BUT I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT WHETHER THE CITY IS ACTUALLY FOLLOWING OUR OWN RULES ABOUT PEDESTRIAN ACCESS DURING CONSTRUCTION. SO I WANT TO BRING UP DOCTOR DIRECTOR CARLY FOR SOME QUESTIONS, PLEASE. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING SIR. SO CAN YOU TELL ME THE CITY'S POLICY AS IT RELATES TO MAINTAINING PEDESTRIAN ACCESS DURING CONSTRUCTION? RIGHT. GOOD MORNING AGAIN. GUS AND CARLY, DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, PUBLIC WORKS, CHAPTER 43. CLEARLY NOTES THE REQUIREMENTS FOR MAINTAINING ACCESSIBILITY DURING CONSTRUCTION AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SUBMISSION OF AN APPROPRIATE TRAFFIC CONTROL FOR REVIEW BY STAFF. BEFORE APPROVING THE PROCEEDINGS WITH THE CONSTRUCTION. AND THAT'S SECTION 43-139 OF THE CODE, RIGHT. THAT IS CORRECT, SIR. ALL RIGHT. SECTION 19. OKAY. MY CONCERN, WHICH YOU KNOW, WE SPOKE BEFORE THIS IS AND WE HAVE A SITUATION, YOU KNOW, AT TWO INTERSECTIONS ACTUALLY IN DISTRICT ONE RIGHT NOW. WHAT IS WHAT'S THE WHY ARE WE NOT FOLLOWING OUR OWN RULES WHEN WE'RE ENGAGING IN THIS WORK? RIGHT? SO FIRST OF ALL, LET ME BE ON THE RECORD TO SAY I APPRECIATE THE SPEAKERS NOTING THIS ISSUE. AND IT IS ACROSS THE CITY AND IT IS AN ISSUE THAT REQUIRES RESPONSIBILITY BY OUR CONTRACTORS AND OTHERS WHO ARE SUBMITTING FOR PERMITS, AS WELL AS US AS A CITY IN INSPECTING THE WORK AND SO ON. AND IN THIS CASE, IF I MAY ADDRESS THIS SPECIFIC SITUATION, THE TRAFFIC CONTROL THAT WAS SUBMITTED DID NOT MATCH WHAT THEY DID OUT THERE. THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO LEAVE A PORTION OF THE INTERSECTION ACCESSIBLE FOR US TO KIND OF FOR PEOPLE TO, [01:25:02] TO MOVE. SO WITH THAT CASE, THE CITY ORDINANCE CLEARLY GIVES ME SOME AUTHORITY IN EITHER I'M REVOKING THE PERMIT AND OR ISSUING CITATIONS IN ORDER TO MAKE CORRECTIVE ACTION. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THIS SITUATION. OVERALL AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT AGAIN, IT'S A PREVENTATIVE AS WELL AS ENFORCEMENT. AND I'M HOPING THAT THOSE WHO ARE LISTENING TO US TODAY IS TAKE FULL TAKE RESPONSIBILITY OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY ORDINANCE. IN ADDITION TO US DOING A BETTER JOB ON THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING. ALL RIGHT. SO A CONTRACTOR SUBMITS A IT'S A, IS IT A TRAFFIC CONTROL PLAN? WHAT IS THE PLAN THAT'S SUBMITTED TO YOUR DEPARTMENT TO SHOW WHAT THE WORK'S GOING TO BE. WHAT'S THAT CALLED? SO THE TRAFFIC CONTROL PLAN THAT IS SIGNED AND SEALED BY LICENSED ENGINEER. OKAY. AND AND THEN SO IT'S SIGNED AND SEALED. WHAT MECHANISMS DO YOU HAVE IN PLACE AND WILL BE IN PLACE FOR THIS CONTRACT? WE'RE APPROVING NOW TO ENSURE THAT CONTRACTOR FOLLOWS THE TRAFFIC CONTROL PLAN. SO FOR THE ITEM THAT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY IS BASICALLY THE AWARD TO AWARD THE CONTRACT. ONCE THE CONTRACT IS EXECUTED, THEY CANNOT BEGIN THE WORK BEFORE THEY SUBMIT A SIGNED AND SEALED AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL PLAN FOR OUR REVIEW, FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE AND FOR APPROVAL. AND ONCE THAT IS APPROVED, THEN WE WILL ENSURE THAT IT IS PROPERLY INSPECTED AND MAKING SURE THAT THE INTERSECTIONS REMAIN ACCESSIBLE AND OR AN ALTERNATE ROUTE IS PROVIDED IN, IN A SITUATION WHERE MULTIPLE ADA RAMPS ARE IMPACTED. WHAT IS THE CONTRACTOR REQUIRED TO PROVIDE? ARE WE DOES THE CODE SPECIFY THAT THEY MUST PROVIDE A TEMPORARY RAMP FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE IN WHEELCHAIRS? THE CODE PROVIDES AND REQUIRES ACCESSIBILITY TO. TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THE ACCESSIBILITY. THE. HOW TO PROVIDE THE ACCESSIBILITY IS WHAT WE REVIEW IN THE SPECIFICS OF THE TRAFFIC CONTROL. WHO'S VERIFYING THAT THE CONTRACTORS ARE ACTUALLY PROVIDING THE ACCESSIBILITY? SO LIKE I MENTIONED, THERE'S TWO. STAGE ONE IS THE REVIEW OF THE SUBMITTED PAPERWORK OF THE APPLICATION OF THE TRAFFIC CONTROL. AND THE OTHER PART, WHICH IS THE ENFORCEMENT TYPE. SO WE REVIEW IT FIRST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS IN COMPLIANCE. AND THEN WE HAVE TO INSPECT THE WORK TO MAKE SURE IT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE WHAT WAS APPROVED A WEEK INTO THE WORK. TWO WEEKS INTO THE WORK IS ARE WE RELIANT ON RESIDENTS TO ACTUALLY CALL IN A 311 COMPLAINT, OR DO YOU HAVE PERSONNEL THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING OUT TO REVIEW THE WORK? WE DO HAVE INSPECTORS THAT GO OUT THERE AND INSPECT. AND IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, COUNCIL APPROVED US TO HAVE A PROGRAM MANAGEMENT FOR TRAFFIC SIGNALS BECAUSE WE HAVE ABOUT ALMOST 200 TRAFFIC SIGNALS THAT WILL BE THAT ARE UNDER DESIGN AND WILL GO TO CONSTRUCTION. AND THAT CONTRACT INCLUDED A PROVISION FOR ADDITIONAL INSPECTION CAPACITY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE UTILIZING. BUT ON THE, THE, THE, THE INTERSECTION THAT WAS MENTIONED BY MISS MCNAIR THERE WASN'T AN INSPECTION CONDUCTED ON THAT ONE. THEY INSPECTED IT, BUT THEY DID NOT. SO THERE WAS A MISCOMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE, THE PAPERWORK THAT WAS APPROVED AND THE INSPECTION TEAM. SO WE CORRECTED THAT AND THERE SHOULD BE I MEAN, THERE SHOULD HAVE TEMPORARY RAMPS FOR THAT INTERSECTION. OKAY. SO THESE, THESE ONES THAT WE'RE APPROVING TODAY, SOMEBODY WILL BE INSPECTING. YES, SIR. DEFINITELY THROUGHOUT THE DURATION OF THE WORK. GREAT. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. MISS MENDELSOHN, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. I ALSO HAVE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL INCLUDED IN THIS ITEM. IT'S FOR ACTUALLY ONE OF THE MOST WALKABLE AREAS OF DISTRICT 12. THERE'S MORE THAN 5000 MULTIFAMILY UNITS. AND THIS IS THE INTERSECTION OF EVERY CORNER BEING FILLED WITH GIANT COMPLEXES. AND THIS SIGNAL WILL GREATLY IMPROVE BOTH THE TRAFFIC SITUATION AS WELL AS THE SAFETY FOR PEDESTRIANS, BECAUSE PEOPLE GET VERY, VERY FRUSTRATED AT THE FOUR WAY STOP AND LOTS OF CRAZY THINGS ARE HAPPENING. SO I'M VERY EXCITED TO SEE THIS ONE. I WAS ALSO, FRANKLY, VERY EXCITED TO SEE WHO YOU SELECTED AS THE CONTRACTOR, BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT WORKED IN DISTRICT 12 FOR SIGNALS. AND WE HAVE HAD ACTUALLY SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING. AND I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE COME OUT AND RECTIFIED IT, BUT IT'S THE CONTRACTOR DOING THINGS THAT WERE NOT ALLOWED. AND WHEN THEY ARE PULLING UP ALL FOUR PARTS OF THE RAMP AT THE INTERSECTION AND BLOCKING EVERYTHING OFF, [01:30:07] IT IS DIFFICULT FOR A PEDESTRIAN WHO IS FULLY MOBILE, LET ALONE SOMEBODY WHO IS HANDICAPPED TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE ON THEIR JOURNEY. SO THANK YOU FOR THE TIMES THAT YOU'VE HAD TO INTERCEDE AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT WORK IS, IS DONE QUICKER SO THAT THE, THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT IT'S OUT OF SERVICE IS MINIMIZED. THAT HAS BEEN GREATLY APPRECIATED. AND FRANKLY, IT'S HAPPENED AT MORE THAN ONE INTERSECTION WITH MORE THAN ONE VENDOR. SO AGAIN, I WAS HAPPY TO SEE A NEW CONTRACTOR COMING UP FOR DISTRICT 12. THE ONLY THING I WOULD ASK IS, IS THERE ANY KIND OF POLICY CHANGE THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE THAT GIVES A SHORTENED WINDOW OF HOW LONG THEY CAN BLOCK OFF ALL PARTS OF AN INTERSECTION? BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THEY DID. THEY PULLED THEM ALL UP AND THEN THEY DISAPPEARED TO OTHER PROJECTS AND THEY WERE STILL WITHIN THEIR CONTRACT SINCE THEY GROUP THEM LIKE THIS, RIGHT? SO LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY COME AND THEY DIG IT UP HERE, THEN THEY GO DOWN THERE, THEY'RE ALL AT YOUR DISTRICT, AND THEN THEY WANT TO COME BACK. AND NOW I'LL PUT IN REBAR. NOW I'LL PUT IN THIS AND THEN I'LL COME BACK WITH CONCRETE. AND SO IS THERE ANY WAY TO MAYBE YOU COULD BRING THAT TO TRANSPORTATION THAT WE COULD LOOK AT THAT WHEN IT IMPACTS THE ABILITY OF OF THE PEDESTRIAN TO SAFELY CROSS THE STREET. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. DEFINITELY THERE COULD BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPROVEMENT. AND I WANT TO GIVE THIS BODY A CREDIT FOR APPROVING THE CONTRACT IN APRIL, BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE SOME DEFICIENCIES. AND NOW LOOKING AT THAT SITUATION, I MAY HAVE TO POTENTIALLY LOOK AT THAT CONTRACT, MAYBE BOOST IT A LITTLE BIT TO IMPROVE THE INSPECTION COMPONENT OF IT WHILE WE'RE REVIEWING THE POLICY COMPONENT CONCURRENTLY. SO DEFINITELY I WILL BE LOOKING AT IMPROVEMENTS TO THE, TO THE PROCESS. WELL, I'LL JUST SAY THAT I FEEL LIKE THERE HAS BEEN A GOOD RESPONSE WHEN WE SEE THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM. YOU KNOW, WE HAD BARRICADES ON SIDEWALKS FOR AN EXTENDED AMOUNT OF TIME WITH DART. DART CLOSED OFF EVERY SINGLE WAY FOR A PEDESTRIAN. THEY HAD TO WALK ON KNOLL TRAIL IN DISTRICT 11 WHEN ALL OF THAT WAS PULLED UP. AND IT WAS BECAUSE YOUR FOLKS WENT OUT AND, AND TOOK CARE OF IT. AND THEY CREATED DETOURS SO THAT FOLKS COULD ESPECIALLY IN HIGHLY WALKABLE AREAS GET THROUGH SAFELY. SO ANYHOW, THANK YOU FOR THAT, BUT I'M EXCITED FOR THIS ITEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CHAIR RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU MAYOR. AND ONE THING I DID FORGET TO SAY IS, YOU KNOW, MAYOR, YOU HAD CREATED THE DISABILITIES COMMISSION. AND THIS CITY COUNCIL HAS MADE STATEMENTS THAT WE WE TAKE DISABILITIES SERIOUSLY. WE'VE, WE'VE WE'VE, WE'VE CONSTANTLY RECOGNIZED INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO MAKING ACCESSIBILITY MORE EVIDENT FOR FOLKS. AND SO WE SHOULD BE SETTING THE SHINING EXAMPLE FOR ALL OF OUR CONTRACTORS FOR ENCORE ATMOS, OUR DEVELOPERS WHO ARE CLOSING STREETS BY MAKING SURE OUR OWN DIRECT CONTRACTORS ARE ACTUALLY FOLLOWING CITY CODE. AND SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, I, I'M GOING TO BE CONTINUING TO WATCH THIS AND I WOULD HOPE RESIDENTS WILL WILL BRING ADA VIOLATIONS TO, TO OUR ATTENTION SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE WE'RE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST AGENDA ITEM 11? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. NEXT ITEM PLEASE. MADAM SECRETARY, AGENDA ITEM 17 AUTHORIZED THE ANNUAL ADOPTION OF THE CITY'S INVESTMENT POLICY AND [17. 26-3044A Authorize the annual adoption of the City’s Investment Policy and investment strategies regarding funds under the City’s control and management - Financing: No cost consideration to the City] INVESTMENT STRATEGIES REGARDING FUNDS UNDER THE CITY'S CONTROL AND IN MANAGEMENT. THIS ITEM WAS PULLED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE? SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND. IT WAS PULLED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. MRS. MENDELSOHN. I ACTUALLY HAVE NO COMMENTS. THANK YOU. I WOULD HAVE PUT IT BACK IF I WAS HERE SOONER. THANK YOU, MR. WEST. WERE YOU. ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST 17? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. NEXT ITEM PLEASE. AGENDA ITEM 18. [18. 26-2793A Authorize a five-year master agreement for furniture, flooring, modular walls, high density storage shelving, and related support services for citywide use with BUSINESS INTERIORS, DALLAS DESK INC., FACILITY INTERIORS INC, Intelligent Interiors, Inc., NATIONAL BUSINESS FURNITURE LLC, One Source Commercial Flooring, LLC, Vari Sales Corporation, and W.E. IMHOFF & COMPANY, INC dba INTERTECH FLOORING through the Local Government Purchasing Cooperative (BuyBoard) agreement - Estimated amount of $11,911,628.28 - Financing: General Fund ($5,572,628.28), Convention and Event Services Fund ($2,250,000.00), Aviation Fund ($2,250,000.00), Dallas Water Utilities Fund ($1,836,000.00), and Stormwater Drainage Management Fund ($3,000.00) (subject to annual appropriations)] AUTHORIZE A FIVE YEAR MASTER AGREEMENT FOR FURNITURE, FLOORING, MODULAR WALLS, HIGH DENSITY STORAGE, SHELVING AND RELATED SUPPORT SERVICES FOR CITYWIDE USE WITH BUSINESS INTERIORS. DALLAS DESK, INC.. FACILITY INTERIORS, INC.. INTELLIGENT INTERIORS, INC.. NATIONAL BUSINESS FURNITURE, LLC, ONE SOURCE COMMERCIAL FLOORING LLC, BARRY SALES CORPORATION AND W E IMHOFF AND COMPANY INC. DBA INTERTEK FLOORING THROUGH THE LOCAL. THROUGH THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT PURCHASING COOPERATIVE. BY BOARD AGREEMENT. ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF $11,911,628.28. [01:35:07] THIS ITEM WAS PULLED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN MOVE TO DEFER TO THE FIRST AGENDA MEETING OF JANUARY 2027. IS THERE A SECOND? IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION, MISS MENDELSOHN? YES. YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THIS IS A MOTION TO DEFER ON ITEM 18. OKAY. GO AHEAD. SO THIS IS A FIVE YEAR MASTER AGREEMENT FOR FURNITURE, FLOORING, MODULAR WALLS, HIGH DENSITY STORAGE, SHELVING AND RELATED SUPPORT SERVICES. THE AMOUNT IS 11.9 MILLION. THE GENERAL FUND IS 5.5 MILLION. CONVENTION EVENT SERVICES 2.2 MILLION. AVIATION 2.2 MILLION. WATER HAS TWO DIFFERENT PARTS 1.8 MILLION AND 303,000. SO THIS IS ABOUT TRUST AND TRUST THAT THIS WOULD NOT BE USED TO MOVE OUT OF CITY HALL AND USE NEW FURNITURE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER THIS TO JANUARY SO THAT WE HAVE TRUST THAT THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN PUT TO BED, AND WE HAVE A PLAN FORWARD IF WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO MOVE OUT OF CITY HALL. LET'S BE OVERT ABOUT IT AND SAY WHAT THE ACTUAL COSTS ARE. IF WE'RE NOT, THEN I, FIRST OF ALL, WOULD QUESTION WHY THE GENERAL FUND NEEDS $5.5 MILLION FOR THIS. I DO SEE THAT IT'S OVER FIVE YEARS. AND I DO SEE THAT THE LAST FIVE YEARS WERE JUST UNDER THIS 11.9 MILLION. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE INSIDE CITY HALL TO JUSTIFY THIS KIND OF AN EXPENSE. THE GENERAL FUND, I UNDERSTAND, COVERS A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACILITIES. AGAIN, I THINK WE NEED TO PAUSE THIS. THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES GOING ON HERE. WE ALL KNOW THAT. AND THIS IS WHY I BELIEVE THIS SHOULD BE DEFERRED SIX MONTHS. THANK YOU. IT WILL BE SIX MONTHS. ANYONE. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. JACKIE. THANK YOU. IF I MAY JUST COMMENT ON THE FUNDING. JACK GARLAND CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER SO THE PRICE AGREEMENT IS A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH $5.5 MILLION FOR THE GENERAL FUND, OR ABOUT 1.1 MILLION AVERAGE ANNUALLY FOR THE GENERAL FUND. THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE DID REDUCE THE GENERAL FUND FUNDING FOR FURNITURE, THE FURNITURE AND FIXTURES OBJECT CODE WAS REDUCED BY 200, ROUGHLY $300,000, OR 36%. THIS IS MORE THAN JUST CITY HALL, OBVIOUSLY. GENERAL FUND INCLUDES LIBRARIES, FIRE STATIONS, POLICE FACILITIES A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT FACILITIES. SO THIS ITEM HAD NO INTENTION TO BE RELATED TO ANY DISCUSSIONS GOING ON ABOUT THE LOCATION OF CITY HALL. WE HAD A FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT. THAT FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT IS EXPIRING, AND WE ARE PUTTING IN PLACE A NEW PRICE AGREEMENT. I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN THE FUNDING AND WHAT WE DID THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS ON THIS. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN RIDLEY, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. JACK, COULD YOU COME BACK TO THE MIC? SO, JACK, COULD YOU COMPARE THE AMOUNT OF THIS MASTER AGREEMENT WITH THE PREVIOUS ONE? IS THIS AN, INCREASED AMOUNT IS LESS SAME. YES, SIR. I'LL ALLOW. JUANITA ORTIZ FROM PURCHASING TO ANSWER THAT. GOOD. GOOD MORNING. SO THE PREVIOUS AWARD WAS FOR $10 MILLION AND IT WAS IN MAY 2021. THIS CONTRACT IS FOR 11.9. AND WHEN DOES THE PREVIOUS CONTRACT EXPIRE? DECEMBER 10TH OF THIS YEAR. YES. OKAY. AND SO HOW WAS THIS NUMBER ARRIVED AT? DID YOU SURVEY INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS ABOUT THEIR FURNITURE REPLACEMENT NEEDS, OR IS IT JUST AN ESCALATION FOR COST OF LIVING OVER THE PREVIOUS CONTRACT? WE BASE IT ON HISTORICAL USAGE AND LOOK AT WHAT HAS BEEN ORDERED IN THE PAST. AND THEN IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE ADDED, BUT IN THIS CASE WAS BASED ON JUST GENERAL HISTORICAL USAGE. SO THIS IS AN AUTHORIZATION OF 11 ROUGHLY MILLION DOLLARS. IT'S NOT A CONTRACT TO SPEND THAT MUCH. CORRECT. CORRECT. SO THIS CONTRACT IS A SERVICE PRICE AGREEMENT. SO IT SETS THE PRICING NOW. AND THEN WHEN THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE AVAILABLE FUNDS TO USE THEY CAN USE THE CONTRACT. [01:40:08] BUT IT IS ONLY USED WHEN FUNDING IS AVAILABLE. SO EACH DEPARTMENT THAT WANTS NEW FURNITURE HAS TO HAVE A LINE ITEM IN THEIR BUDGET AND CAN'T EXCEED THAT. THIS JUST SETS THE PRICE THAT THEY WILL PAY FOR THE FURNITURE THAT THEY WANT. CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND SO ON. THAT FOR FISCAL YEAR 27, THE BUDGET THAT WAS APPROVED HAS A TOTAL CITYWIDE OF $1.1 MILLION IN THE FURNITURE OBJECT CODE, OF WHICH 500,000 520,000 IS IN THE GENERAL FUND. THE OTHER $600,000 OR SO ARE IN THE OTHER FUNDS. ENTERPRISE FUNDS. ALL RIGHT, MISS MENDELSOHN, FOR THREE MINUTES. AND, JACK. HI. I GUESS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE AMOUNT THAT'S IN AN OBJECT CODE IN A BUDGET. AREN'T DEPARTMENTS ALLOWED TO MOVE MONEY WITHIN OBJECT CODE WITHIN THEIR DEPARTMENT BUDGET? YES, MA'AM. THEY DEPARTMENTS DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE FUNDS BETWEEN IF THERE IS A JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF PERSONNEL SERVICES, WE DO NOT ALLOW MOVEMENT THERE. AND THEN JUANITA, DID YOU SAY THAT THIS CURRENT CONTRACT EXPIRES DECEMBER 10TH OR 11TH? DECEMBER 10TH, DECEMBER 10TH? AND SO OUR LAST AGENDA MEETING OF THE YEAR, DECEMBER 9TH. SO THERE WOULD BE NO OTHER ITEMS THAT WOULD COME BEFORE THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, WHICH WOULD BE JANUARY 13TH, 2027. IS THAT CORRECT? NO ADDITIONAL AGENDA ITEMS OR ADDITIONAL ORDERS. WELL, IN DECEMBER WE ONLY HAVE ONE AGENDA MEETING. CORRECT. AND IT'S BEFORE THIS ITEM EXPIRED. CORRECT. AND THEN I'VE ASKED FOR THIS TO COME BACK AT THE NEXT AGENDA MEETING AFTER THAT, WHICH WOULD BE JANUARY 13TH. YES, WE WOULD BE BRINGING AN EXPIRED CONTRACT. WE WOULD APPROVE A CONTRACT ON THE 13TH. YES. AND THAT FOR A PREVIOUS CONTRACT THAT WOULD HAVE EXPIRED ON DECEMBER 10TH. SO THERE WOULD JUST BE A A GAP PERIOD IN WHICH NO ORDERS WOULD BE ABLE TO BE PLACED. EVERY ITEM UNDER THE PRICE AGREEMENT DOES NOT HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL ONCE THE PRICE AGREEMENT IS ESTABLISHED. SO THERE WOULD BE A GAP OF WHEN ORDERS COULD BE PLACED. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I WOULD I WOULD JUST GENERALLY SAY NOT A LOT OF ACTIVITIES HAPPENING BETWEEN DECEMBER 10TH AND THE NEXT AGENDA MEETING. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF VACATION TIME HAPPENING IN THE CITY RIGHTFULLY AND HOLIDAY. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S TOO MUCH TO ASK WHAT THIS WILL ALLOW TO HAVE HAPPEN IS FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE CIRCULATING PETITIONS TO HAVE EITHER ATTAIN THEM OR NOT, AND WE'LL KNOW IF THAT'LL HAVE HAPPENED. AND WE'LL SEE IF THIS ACTUALLY CHANGES ANY OF THE CITY'S POSTURE ON THIS. SO THANK YOU, JIM RIDLEY, FOR THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU MAYOR. SO CAN YOU TELL ME OUT OF THE PREVIOUS CONTRACT OR THE CURRENT CONTRACTS, $10 MILLION SERVICE PRICE, HOW MUCH OF THAT MONEY WAS ACTUALLY SPENT OVER THE FIVE YEARS? THE AVERAGE ANNUAL SPEND WAS 4.3 MILLION. WELL, THAT WOULD TOTAL $20 MILLION. YES, IT'S AN ID I. Q SO IF PROJECTS CAME UP AND THERE WAS FUNDING AVAILABLE DURING THAT TIME, THEY USED THE CONTRACT. SO THEY EXCEEDED BY 100% THE AUTHORIZATION UNDER THE CURRENT CONTRACT. HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? SO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE CONTRACT IS TO SET THE PRICING. THE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE SPEND COMES FROM THE ANNUAL BUDGET ADOPTION. SO WHAT WAS SPENT WAS BUDGETED OR AVAILABLE FUNDS BY THE DEPARTMENTS. SO ISN'T THIS $10 MILLION OR IN THIS ITEM $11 MILLION TOTAL AMOUNT ILLUSORY BECAUSE YOU CAN EXCEED THAT AT WILL. WE CAN EXCEED THAT ON ANY ID IQ AS LONG AS THERE'S FUNDING AVAILABLE. BUT THE CONTRACTS, DOES THE SERVICE PRICE AGREEMENT STILL APPLY TO PURCHASES IN EXCESS OF THE AUTHORIZED AMOUNT? IT'S AN ESTIMATED AMOUNT. SO THIS IS REALLY NOT A CONTROL ON HOW MUCH CAN BE SPENT UNDER THIS SERVICE PRICE AGREEMENT. SO HOW IS THE $10 MILLION IN THE CURRENT CONTRACT OR THE 11 MILLION IN THE NEW CONTRACT ARRIVED AT? [01:45:02] IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE SPENT, THEY ARE ALL ESTIMATED QUANTITIES. AND SO ALL THE ID IQ CONTRACTS SPECIFY THAT WE CAN EITHER EXCEED OR NOT MEET THAT AMOUNT, BUT THOSE ARE ESTIMATED BASED ON OUR HISTORICAL USAGE. AND THAT'S HOW WE ARRIVED AT THE FIGURE. SO HOW DID WE MISS ESTIMATE THE CURRENT CONTRACT BY A FACTOR OF 100%. WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE DATA, BUT IT IT LIKE JACK SAID, THERE'S MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS THAT USE THIS. SO IF THERE'S A REC CENTER OR A PARK OR A LIBRARY THAT'S LOOKING TO RE YOU KNOW, REFURNISH THEIR BUILDING OR ADD ANY FURNITURE OR FIXTURES, THEN THEY WOULD USE THIS PRODUCT, THIS CONTRACT. WELL, THE FACT THAT WE EXCEEDED THE EXPECTED ALLOCATION FOR FURNITURE IN THE, UNDER THE PREVIOUS, UNDER THE CURRENT CONTRACT BY 100%. DID YOU TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT IN PROJECTING THE $11 MILLION FOR THIS ITEM? ONE MIGHT EXPECT THAT WITH EXCEEDING THE PREVIOUS AUTHORIZATION BY 100%, THAT THERE WOULD BE A REDUCED ALLOCATION FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS BECAUSE WE'VE ACCELERATED FURNITURE REPLACEMENT. NO. SO WE BASE IT ON THIS IS MULTIPLE PRICE AGREEMENTS AND FOR MULTIPLE TYPES OF FURNITURE, ALSO FLOORING AND MODULAR WALLS. SO WE CANNOT ANTICIPATE THE TOTAL USAGE OVER FIVE YEARS. IT'S AN ESTIMATE BASED ON WHAT WE BELIEVE OR WHAT WE KNOW TODAY. BUT THAT COULD CHANGE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. WELL, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A VERY ROUGH ESTIMATE, BUT I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT BY ADOPTING THIS ITEM TODAY, WE'RE NOT AUTHORIZING THE EXPENDITURE OF THE $11 MILLION. CORRECT. THAT COMES THROUGH A BUDGET PROCESS. CORRECT. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN WEST, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON AGENDA ITEM 18. IT'S A MOTION TO DEFER. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND FROM STAFF WHAT ARE THE VARIOUS FACILITIES THAT THE THIS ITEM COULD BE SERVICING THAT ARE THAT YOU ANTICIPATE? I MEAN, ARE WE TALKING LIBRARIES? WHAT ARE WE TALKING HERE? YES. SO THIS INCLUDES THE GENERAL FUND. SO THAT'S LIBRARIES, PARKS, FIRE STATIONS, POLICE STATIONS, THIS BUILDING COURTS ANY ANY GENERAL FUND BUILDING. IT ALSO INCLUDES AVIATION. SO LEFT FIELD OR DALLAS EXECUTIVE AIRPORT CONVENTION AND EVENT SERVICES. AND THEN SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT WATER SANITATION FUND. OKAY. SO, SO IT'S ANY BUILDING, IF THERE'S A NEED TO REDO THE MODULAR DESIGNS FOR THE EMPLOYEES BECAUSE WE'RE CHANGING THE STAFFING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THIS, THIS GIVES STAFF THE ABILITY TO PROCEED FORWARD WITH THAT IN THE NORMAL COURSE OF BUSINESS WITH PRE-NEGOTIATED PRICING. AND IT'LL BE A QUICKER TURNAROUND ON THAT PROJECT OR THOSE PROJECTS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. CHAIRWOMAN BLAIR RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. AGENDA ITEM 18. MOTION TO DEFER. I MAY NOT TAKE FIVE MINUTES, BUT THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. LET ME ASK THE QUESTION. YOU YOU SAID THAT THERE WOULD BE A GAP IN FROM DECEMBER IN THE CONTRACT EXPIRING IN DECEMBER. AND IF WE IF IT WAS DEFERRED UNTIL JANUARY AND AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME, THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY DEPARTMENT TO PLACE ORDERS FOR FOR THIS OFF OF THIS THIS OBJECT CODE. CORRECT. YES. CORRECT. SO LET ME ASK ANOTHER QUESTION. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE DON'T HAVE THE CONTRACT? THE CONTRACT EXPIRES. COULD WE COULD THE CONTRACTOR OR THE THE CONTRACTS WE HAVE BE RENEGOTIATED AND THE PRICE COULD CHANGE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT RENEGOTIATION. SO THIS IS USING A COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT. SO ALL THOSE PRICES HAVE ALREADY BEEN NEGOTIATED WHEN THE ORIGINAL COOPERATIVE WAS SOLICITED. AND SO WE ARE BASICALLY PIGGYBACKING ON THOSE CONTRACTS. SO THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN NEGOTIATED. AND THOSE PRICES CANNOT CHANGE. NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. ROTH, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. I APPRECIATE COUNCILMEMBER BLAIR'S QUESTION BECAUSE IT RAISED A QUESTION IN MY MIND WHY DON'T WHY CAN'T WE JUST EXTEND THE CURRENT CONTRACT FOR A MONTH AND THEN DEFER THE APPROVAL OF THIS OTHER CONTRACT IN JANUARY AS, AS SUGGESTED BY COUNCIL MEMBER? [01:50:01] MENDELSOHN? AND THEN WE GET THE BENEFIT OF CONTINUING THE CONTRACT THAT'S CURRENT, THE PRICING THAT'S CURRENT. AND THEN WE'LL EVALUATE THIS NEW CONTRACT IN IN JANUARY. SO WITH IDIQ CONTRACTS SUCH AS THIS, THE STAFF IS ONLY ALLOWED A SIX MONTH EXTENSION ADMINISTRATIVELY, AND WE'VE ALREADY COMPLETED THAT EXTENSION THAT'S GETTING US TO DECEMBER 10TH. SO THERE ARE NO MORE THERE'S NO MORE AUTHORIZED EXTENSIONS OR RENEWALS ON THIS CONTRACT. WHY? WHY IS THERE NOT AN EXTENSION? IF WE APPROVE AN EXTENSION FOR A ONE MONTH EXTENSION, WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. SO ADMINISTRATIVELY ON ID, IQ CONTRACTS, WE CAN EXTEND A CONTRACT BY SIX MONTHS BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE A CONTRACT AND USE IT. YOU KNOW, BEYOND THE TERMS THAT WE WERE AUTHORIZED IN THE RESOLUTION OF THOSE CONTRACTS, IT SAYS STAFF'S ALLOWED A SIX MONTH EXTENSION, ANYTHING ABOVE THAT WOULD COME TO COUNCIL. SO IF YOU WANTED US TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH AN EXTENSION, WE COULD BUT THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THE, THE VENDORS WOULD HAVE TO AGREE. SO WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE VENDORS AND THEY'D HAVE TO APPROVE OR AGREE TO AN EXTENSION. OKAY. SO WOULD THAT BE AN ALTERNATIVE? I MEAN, EFFICIENCY WISE FOR ONE MONTH EXTENSION. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD HAVE MUCH OF A PRICE DIFFERENCE IF WE JUST WENT WITH THE NEW CONTRACT. OKAY. THANK YOU. MISS MENDELSOHN, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE. DID YOU SAY THAT THE AVERAGE SPEND FOR EACH OF THESE YEARS WAS 4 TO $5 MILLION OVER THE FIVE YEARS? IT COULD HAVE RANGED, BUT YES, THE AVERAGE IS 4.3. AND THAT WE'VE SPENT 20 MILLION OF A $10 MILLION CONTRACT. CORRECT. SO I'M JUST GOING TO SAY LIKE, ARE YOU GUYS REALIZING WE'RE SPENDING WAY TOO MUCH MONEY ON FURNITURE? I MEAN, THIS IS A SHOCKING AMOUNT FOR FURNITURE. AND IT'S ALSO FLOORING AND FIXTURES. IT'S NOT JUST FURNITURE. YEAH, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY, AND IT'S WHY WE KEEP MAKING BUDGET AMENDMENTS TO REDUCE FURNITURE SPEND, AT LEAST THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. I'M GOOD WITH NOT HAVING A CONTRACT FOR A LITTLE WHILE. LET'S LET'S HOLD UP ON SOME OF THESE EXPENSES. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION TO DEFER BY MISS MENDELSOHN? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NAY. I THINK THE NAYS HAVE IT. BUT DO YOU WANT A RECORD ON THAT? ANYBODY? OKAY. I THINK THE NAYS HAVE IT. I DO TOO. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YES, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE MAJORITY BY VOICE. VOTE. YES. YES. YOUR NEXT ITEM IS AGENDA ITEM 19. YEAH. OH. I'M SORRY. I HEARD A MOTION TO APPROVE. I HEARD A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I CAN'T TELL THAT. I MEAN, CAN WE DO THAT? CAN WE DO THAT AGAIN? DID YOU HEAR THAT? I COULDN'T TELL IF THERE WAS A MAJORITY. I TRIED TO BE FAIR ABOUT THE MAJORITY. THE VOICE VOTES, BUT I HAVE TO REALLY TELL. IT SEEMED LIKE THE MINORITY VOTED IN OPPOSITION. BUT, MR. MAYOR, WE CAN DO A RECORD VOTE. OKAY, LET'S DO A RECORD, THEN. ON THE MOTION TO APPROVE. YEAH. YEP. GO AHEAD. ITEM 18. MOTION TO APPROVE. WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE STATE YES IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR. NO. IF YOU'RE OPPOSED. COUNCIL MEMBER WEST. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO IS ABSENT WHEN VOTE TAKEN. COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. CADENA. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER. BAZALDUA. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER. BLAIR. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BLACKMON. COUNCIL MEMBER. STEWART. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER ROTH. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER. MENDELSOHN. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER. WILLIS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY. YES. DEPUTY MAYOR. PRO TEM JOHNSON. YES. MAYOR PRO TEM RESENDEZ. YES. MAYOR JOHNSON. YES. WITH NINE VOTING IN FAVOR, FIVE OPPOSED. ONE ABSENT VOTE TAKEN. THE ITEM PASSES, MR. MAYOR. OKAY. NEXT ITEM. AGENDA. [19. 26-3070A Authorize (1) rescinding the three-year service contract with two, one year renewal options with Midwest Maintenance Company, Inc. for Groups 1 and 4, previously approved on October 22, 2025, by Resolution No. 25-1686, for janitorial services and floor maintenance for the Department of Aviation in an amount not to exceed $13,841,207.52; and (2) a three-year service contract in an amount not to exceed $11,928,560.04 for the period October 14, 2026 through October 13, 2029, with two one-year renewal options in an amount not to exceed $8,190,944.40, as detailed in the Fiscal Information section, for Groups 1 and 4 for janitorial and floor maintenance services for the Department of Aviation - UBM ENTERPRISE, INC., next most advantageous proposer of twenty-nine - Total not to exceed $20,119,504.44 - Financing: Aviation Fund (subject to annual appropriations)] AGENDA ITEM 19. AUTHORIZED ONE. RESCINDING THE THREE YEAR SERVICE CONTRACT WITH TWO ONE YEAR RENEWAL OPTIONS WITH MIDWEST MAINTENANCE COMPANY, [01:55:05] INC. FOR GROUPS ONE AND FOUR PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ON OCTOBER 22ND, 2025 BY RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-1686 FOR JANITORIAL SERVICES AND FLOOR MAINTENANCE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $13,841,207.52 AND TO A THREE YEAR SERVICE CONTRACT IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $11,928,560.04 FOR THE PERIOD OCTOBER 14TH, 2026 THROUGH OCTOBER 13TH, 2029, WITH TWO ONE YEAR RENEWAL OPTIONS IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $8,190,944.40. AS DETAILED IN THE FISCAL INFORMATION SECTION FOR GROUPS ONE AND FOUR FOR JANITORIAL AND MAINTENANCE SERVICES FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION. UBM ENTERPRISE INC NEXT MOST ADVANTAGEOUS PROPOSER OF 29 NOT TO EXCEED $20,119,504.44. THIS ITEM WAS PULLED BY COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY HEARD A MOTION AND A SECOND IS MOTION TO APPROVE. I HEARD A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND I'M LOOKING FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK FOR FIVE MINUTES ON THAT. OH, I DON'T SEE ANYONE. OKAY. OH, OKAY. NOW I SEE IT KEEPS CHANGING. MAYOR PRO TEM, ARE YOU SPEAKING FOR FIVE MINUTES? YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES. ITEM 19. THANK YOU. THIS IS KIND OF CONFUSING TO ME. SO I WANT TO KIND OF ASK SOME QUESTIONS. HOW LONG AGO WERE THE PROPOSALS RECEIVED FOR THIS CONTRACT? THE CONTRACT WAS AWARDED. THE PREVIOUS CONTRACT WAS AWARDED ON. OCTOBER 22ND. OCTOBER 22ND, 2025. OKAY, SO FROM THE AGENDA, IT SHOWS THAT THIS IS THE SECOND VENDOR. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT THIS IS FROM THE ON FROM THE PROCUREMENT? YES. SO WE HAD TWO CONTRACTORS REPLACE ALREADY FROM THIS PROCUREMENT. THAT WAS OVER A YEAR AGO. WHY WOULDN'T WE DO A SHORT TERM AWARD AND REBID SO WE CAN GET THE BEST BIDS AVAILABLE NOW. SO THIS CONTRACT WITH MIDWEST MAINTENANCE IS HAVING TO BE TERMINATED BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LIVING WAGE IN THEIR CONTRACT. AND SO OUR TERMS AND CONDITIONS IN OUR CONTRACTS ALLOW US TO GO TO THE NEXT VENDOR WITHIN ONE YEAR OF COUNCIL AWARD. AND SO WE ARE IN THAT TIME FRAME. WE DO NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, 6 TO 9 MONTHS TO GO THROUGH A STANDARD PROCUREMENT FOR A NEW CONTRACT. ANYTHING THAT WE DID OTHER THAN THIS WOULD BE MAYBE AN EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT. BUT THAT DOESN'T GUARANTEE US THAT WE'LL HAVE THE PRICING. YOU KNOW, THAT'S MOST ADVANTAGEOUS WITH THIS VENDOR. THEY ARE THE, THE NEXT VENDOR ON THE LIST. DID THE CITY RECEIVE A BID PROTEST ON THIS CONTRACT DURING THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS LAST YEAR? I DON'T BELIEVE SO, NO. NO. I STOPPED THERE AND I COME BACK IN A FEW. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. GRACEY YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. ITEM 19. THANK YOU. AND I THINK YOU ALREADY SAID IT, AND I WAS JUST REALLY TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHY THIS ITEM WAS WAS PULLED IS BEING RESCINDED IN THE FIRST PLACE. COULD YOU JUST RESTATE? YES. SO THIS CONTRACT WAS AWARDED TO MIDWEST MAINTENANCE WITH A LIVING WAGE OF 2205. WE RECEIVED A COMPLAINT THAT THE VENDOR, THE CONTRACTORS WERE NOT RECEIVING THAT AMOUNT. SO WE DID REACH OUT TO THE VENDOR, HELD MEETINGS. THEY WERE PAYING BETWEEN 17 AND 19. AND SO WE ASKED THAT THEY CURE THE DEFAULT OR BE AT RISK FOR TERMINATION. AND THEY WERE UNABLE TO CURE THE DEFAULT. AND SO WE TERMINATED THE CONTRACT. HOW LONG WAS THAT PROCESS FOR THEM TO ACTUALLY CLEAR THE CURE? THE THE DEFAULT. DO YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM ABOUT 45 DAYS FROM WHEN WE NOTIFIED THEM? SO WE GAVE THEM ABOUT 45 DAYS TO CURE IT BEFORE WE ISSUED THE TERMINATION. OKAY. AND IS IT, IS IT THAT THEY WERE THEY COULDN'T OR WERE THEY UNWILLING. IT WAS MORE OF A UNWILLING. THEY JUST CAME BACK TO NEGOTIATE FOR US TO INCREASE THE CONTRACT. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE WILLING TO DO. BUT UNDER THIS SOLICITATION, IT DID NOT ALLOW FOR NEGOTIATIONS BECAUSE IT WAS BID OUT ANNUALLY. [02:00:05] SO THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADD INCREASES TO THE PRICING. OKAY. SO, SO FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU ALL FOR, FOR THIS PART OF IT. AGAIN, I KNOW WE HAD THIS TOUGH CONVERSATION ABOUT LIVING WAGE AND ALL OF THAT. SO TO KNOW THAT WE'RE STILL ENFORCING THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT PART OF IT. SECOND QUESTION IS GOING BACK TO WHERE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WAS WAS ASKING TO. SO. IS THIS THE, IS THIS THE SECOND VENDOR TO HAVE THIS CONTRACT? DID THIS PARTICULAR LINE OR HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF FOR THESE SPECIFIC GROUPS? THIS IS THE SECOND VENDOR. OKAY. IT WAS ORIGINALLY AWARDED FOR THESE TWO GROUPS TO MIDWEST MAINTENANCE COMPANY. AND WE ARE RESCINDING THOSE TWO GROUPS AND AWARDING IT TO UBM ENTERPRISE. OKAY. AND THEN THE NEXT QUESTION IS WHEN WE VERIFIED THAT UBM WILL PAY THE LIVING WAGE. CORRECT. SECOND QUESTION IS HOW MUCH MORE DOES THIS INCREASE THE CONTRACT BY. BY MOVING DOING THIS. YEAH. SO THIS IS A 6.1 MILLION. IT'S ABOUT A 30% INCREASE FROM WHERE WE WERE WITH MIDWEST MAINTENANCE. OKAY. SO. THEIR LACK OF COMPLIANCE IS COSTING THE CITY ADDITIONAL MONEY. THEORETICALLY NOT THEORETICALLY. ACTUALLY IT IS. RIGHT. THE LACK OF COMPLIANCE FROM THE ORIGINAL AWARDEE. CORRECT. AND I GUESS THE NEXT QUESTION IS WHEN THEY CIRCLE BACK FOR US AND MAYBE I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A CITY ATTORNEY'S QUESTION OR NOT, BUT WHEN THEY REFUSING TO COOPERATE, WILL THEY HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO BID ON ANOTHER CITY PROJECT? I, YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DISCUSS WITH LEGAL AFTER THE FACT. SO THE ACTION THAT WE TOOK UP TO THIS POINT IS TERMINATION OF THEIR CONTRACT. BUT ANYTHING ABOVE THAT, WHETHER THAT BE, YOU KNOW, A DEBARMENT OR ANOTHER SUSPENSION THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DISCUSS WITH LEGAL. OKAY. AND, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE I'M, I'M GOING WITH THIS AND I'M KIND OF LEANING THIS WAY AGAIN, THE LACK OF COMPLIANCE BY AN EXISTING VENDOR WHO WAS AWARDED A CONTRACT IS NOW COSTING THE CITY ADDITIONAL MONEY AS A RESULT. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANT WELL, I DO KNOW I DON'T WANT TO DO BUSINESS WITH THAT COMPANY AGAIN. AND I WANT US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION LIKE THAT MOVING FORWARD SO THAT WE CAN START WEEDING OUT SOME OF THESE BAD VENDORS. I'M NOT GOING TO CALL THEM A BAD VENDOR, BUT THOSE UNWILLING TO COMPLY DON'T NEED TO DO BUSINESS WITH THE CITY MOVING FORWARD. SO I DO WANT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION GOING FORWARD, MR. CITY ATTORNEY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MISS CADENA, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. YEAH, I JUST HAD A CLARIFICATION. SO WE'RE GOING TO THE SECOND VENDOR. BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY MORE PEOPLE RESPONDED. AND THIS ALLOWS FOR OF SERVICE AT LOVE FIELD. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY. AND SO, AND WE HAVE ACTUALLY 18 MILLION VISITORS ANNUALLY. AND SO JUST MOVING FORWARD ALLOWS THAT TO MOVE WITHOUT INTERRUPTION OF SERVICE THEN. CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. CHAIRMAN RIDLEY RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU MAYOR. I AM CURIOUS ABOUT THE NUMBERS HERE. THE EXISTING CONTRACT WITH WEST MAINTENANCE FOR THREE YEAR SERVICES IS $13,841,000, CORRECT? WHAT'S WHAT THE AGENDA SAYS. YES. OKAY. AND YOU'RE PROPOSING TO REPLACE IT WITH A THREE YEAR SERVICE CONTRACT IN AN AMOUNT OF 11,928,000. WITH UBM ENTERPRISES, CORRECT? IT'S ACTUALLY 20 MILLION WITH THE RENEWAL INCLUDED. NO, I'M JUST TALKING. MY QUESTION WAS PREMISED ON APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON OF A THREE YEAR TERM. SO MY NUMBERS ARE CORRECT FOR THE THREE YEAR TERMS. CORRECT. YES. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT AMOUNT FOR UBM ENTERPRISE'S BID WAS ACTUALLY THE AMOUNT THAT THEY BID IN THE INITIAL SOLICITATION BACK IN OCTOBER OF 25, CORRECT? YES. SO WHY DIDN'T WE ACCEPT THEIR BID AS THE LOWEST BID BY OVER TWO ALMOST $2 MILLION? YEAH. SO THIS WAS A RF, CSP. SO IT WAS BASED ON EVALUATION CRITERIA, NOT JUST PRICING. [02:05:03] WHAT KIND OF EVALUATION CRITERIA DO WE HAVE. WE HAD WE HAD EXPERIENCE TERMINAL AND FLOOR MAINTENANCE. THEY HAVE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR THE FLOOR MAINTENANCE AND AVIATION APPROACH. AND THEN WE ALSO HAD LOCAL PREFERENCE PROGRAM AND THE COST AND TIME FRAME. SO IF THEY DIDN'T MEET THOSE QUALIFICATIONS. REFERRING NOW TO UBM ENTERPRISES, WHY ARE WE NOW PROPOSING TO CONTRACT WITH THEM IF THEY PROVIDE SUBSTANDARD SERVICES? THEY WE DID NOT SAY THEY PROVIDED SUBSTANDARD SERVICES. AND IT'S NOT THAT THEY DIDN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. THEY JUST NOT THEY WERE NOT THE MOST ADVANTAGEOUS PROPOSAL. SO THEY WERE RANKED TWO INSTEAD OF ONE. WOW. AND FOR THAT REASON, WE'RE PAYING. WE PAID. AGREED TO PAY $2 MILLION MORE THAN WE COULD HAVE PAID. YEAH. BASED ON THE EVALUATION CRITERIA, THEY RANKED HIGHER. OKAY. SO MY SECOND LINE OF INQUIRY IS, ISN'T $12 MILLION FOR UBM. AN AWFUL LOT TO SPEND FOR JANITORIAL SERVICES FOR ONE BUILDING. OVER A PERIOD OF THREE YEARS. THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY TO CLEAN THE FLOORS AND COLLECT THE TRASH. I'LL LET PATRICK RESPOND. BUT IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, THE ONE BUILDING. SURE. PATRICK MORENO, DIRECTOR OF AVIATION. THIS IS A CONTRACT THAT'S PRETTY EXTENSIVE. THIS IS OVER OUR ENTIRE CAMPUS. THE TERMINAL ESPECIALLY IS 24 OVER SEVEN. THERE'S 18 MILLION PASSENGERS GET THROUGH, GO THROUGH THAT. SO IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY SIGNIFICANT UPLIFT AS FAR AS WHAT IT TAKES TO MAINTAIN THIS. I WOULD SAY THIS IS IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'VE SEEN INDUSTRY WIDE AND JANITORIAL COSTS. SO THIS IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE EXPECTED AND IS IN LINE WITH WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT FOR THIS TYPE OF SERVICE. SO HAVE YOU COMPARED THIS COST ON A PER SQUARE FOOT BASIS WITH BENCHMARKS FROM OTHER AIRPORTS? WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT. ALTHOUGH THAT IS SOMEWHAT HARD JUST GIVEN HOW DIFFERENT AIRPORTS ARE. IT'S NOT JUST SQUARE FOOTAGE, IT'S IT'S THE TYPE OF OPERATIONS THAT YOU HAVE GOING ON, WHAT YOUR LEASE SPACE IS VERSUS WHAT YOUR LEASE SPACE, WHAT YOUR COMMON USE SPACE IS. SO THERE'S A LOT TO IT. WE COULD DO THAT EXERCISE IF, IF THAT WAS THE AN INTEREST IN US DOING THAT. YEAH, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THAT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A VALUABLE COMPARISON. COULD YOU SUMMARIZE, PATRICK, EXACTLY WHAT SERVICES THIS VENDOR PROVIDES? SURE. I THINK THE THING THAT YOU WOULD NOTICE THE MOST OF IS, IS RESTROOM. SO ESSENTIALLY AT SOME PERIODS, WE'RE ADDRESSING RESTROOMS IN THE TERMINAL EVERY 15 MINUTES FOR MOST OF THE DAY. THERE'S SIGNIFICANT OVERNIGHT WORK. SO WE HAVE 50, 60,000 PASSENGERS A DAY GOING THROUGH THE FACILITY. SO DURING THE DOWNTIME, ESPECIALLY OVERNIGHT WHEN THE LAST FLIGHT COMES IN BEFORE THE FIRST FLIGHT, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF ROUTINE MAINTENANCE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO JUST TO MAINTAIN THE FACILITY. SO IT'S A PRETTY BUSY ENVIRONMENT HANDLING ALL OF THOSE RESTROOMS, ALL THE PUBLIC SPACES, ALL THE HOLD ROOMS WHERE PEOPLE ARE WAITING. AND THEY DO A PRETTY EXTENSIVE WORK AS FAR AS THAT GOES. AND HAVE YOU CHECKED UBMS REFERENCES? HAVE THEY DONE THIS KIND OF CONTRACT WORK FOR OTHER AIRPORTS OR SIMILAR FACILITIES? YES. AND WHAT KIND OF REVIEWS DID THEY GET FOR THAT WORK? SO THEY'RE AT DFW AIRPORT ARE AND THEIR WORK THERE HAS BEEN SATISFACTORY ACCORDING TO DFW AIRPORT. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE APPROVED THEM IN THE FIRST INSTANCE IF THEY HAD THAT KIND OF EXPERIENCE AT A MUCH LARGER FACILITY. BUT THAT DECISION HAS ALREADY GONE UNDER THE BRIDGE. SO I WILL SUPPORT THIS. MR. ROTH, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. MY MY QUESTIONS WERE ALREADY I THINK PART OF MY QUESTIONS WERE ALREADY ANSWERED. MY MY INTEREST HERE IS THAT THE, THE CRITERIA OF, OF CHOOSING PEOPLE REALLY, ESPECIALLY AT THESE LARGE SIZE CONTRACTS WITH SPECIAL EXPERTISE, I THINK REALLY NEEDS TO BE THOUGHTFULLY REVISED AND THOUGHTFULLY DONE SO THAT WE DON'T END UP IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE OVERPAYING TO, TO PROVIDE SERVICES THAT ARE GENERIC SERVICES BECAUSE OF SPECIAL [02:10:10] CIRCUMSTANCES GENERALLY. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE SHOULDN'T HELP PEOPLE GET INTO BUSINESS AND, AND PROMOTE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE. BUT, BUT THESE ARE, THESE ARE BIG NUMBERS. AND THEN WHEN WE HAVE A FAILURE LIKE THIS, THIS IS EMBARRASSING AND IT'S NOT GOOD BUSINESS. AND I THINK THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THE AMOUNTS ARE CORRECT OR NOT AMOUNTS ARE CORRECT, BUT THIS IS AN INDICATION OF BECAUSE OF THIS LIVING WAGE POLICY, WE. WE HAD A FAILURE HERE, AND THIS WAS WHAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT, THAT WE WOULD WE WOULD THAT VENDORS WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO, TO ADEQUATELY COMPENSATE PEOPLE ACCORDING TO WHAT WE'RE DEMANDING OF OUR SUBCONTRACTORS. IT'S NOT OUR BUSINESS TO BE IN THEIR BUSINESS. AND IF THEY WERE DOING THE WORK AND IT WAS THE WORK WAS ADEQUATE AND IT WAS BEING DONE PROPERLY WE SHOULDN'T BE OVERPAYING FOR IT. AND WE SHOULDN'T BE TERMINATING PEOPLE FOR, FOR IMPOSING A REQUIREMENT ON PEOPLE THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO TERMINATE THEM. AND SO I JUST THINK THAT THIS IS A, A STRANGE WAY TO PROCURE VENDORS IN SUCH LARGE AND IMPORTANT SITUATIONS. AND I WOULD REALLY ASK YOU ALL TO, TO REVIEW YOUR POLICIES ON HOW YOU'RE GOING TO CHOOSE PEOPLE IN THIS KIND OF A, OF A PROJECT, ESPECIALLY FOR THE AIRPORT, WHICH IS AN EXPENSIVE AND A, AND A VERY IMPORTANT FACILITY. WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE CHANGES WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE, AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO BE OVERPAYING PEOPLE WHO AREN'T DOING THE WORK. BUT LET'S MAKE SURE THE CRITERIA THAT WE'RE ESTABLISHING ARE THOUGHTFUL AND, AND PRUDENT WHEN WE GO IN AND CHOOSING, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAD 29 DIFFERENT PEOPLE. AND THIS MY OTHER QUESTION IS, IS THIS CONTRACT STILL BASED ON THE LIVING WAGE POLICIES FROM TWO YEARS AGO? YES. 2205 OKAY. SO, SO THAT WE'RE NOT UP TO THIS NEW $23. NO, AT THIS POINT. AND SO THE PRICE THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE, WE'RE NOW FORCING THEM TO, TO CONTRACT FOR AT A CHEAPER PRICE, THAT'S STILL GOING TO BE ADEQUATE FOR THEIR ORIGINAL BID. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO AMEND THEIR BID TO COME UP TO A NEW LIVING WAGE POLICY. CORRECT. IT'S AT THE TIME OF SOLICITATION. OR IS THAT, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE THE OPTION, THE EXTENSION, THE RENEWAL. CORRECT? SO YES, IT'S STILL AT THE OLD NUMBERS. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. MISS BLACKMON, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. SO THE TIME LEFT. THAT'S THAT'S THE TIME THAT IS LEFT ON THIS CONTRACT IS ESSENTIALLY THREE YEARS. CORRECT. SO THIS NEW CONTRACT IS WE HAVE TO AWARD IT FOR THE SAME TERMS AND CONDITIONS. AND SO IT'S THREE YEARS WITH THE TWO RENEWALS. OKAY. AND SO THE 20 MILLION COVERS, DOES THAT COVER THE EXTENSIONS AS WELL. YES. OKAY. SO CAN AND THANK YOU, PATRICK, FOR BEING HERE. I WILL SAY LOVE FIELD IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST KEPT AIRPORTS. AND I WILL SAY THAT EVERY TIME I'M IN THE RESTROOM, THERE'S SOMEBODY CLEANING IT. THERE IS SOMEBODY ATTENDANT. I MEAN, THERE'S SO MANY TRAVELERS PASSING THROUGH. SO THIS ISN'T JUST LIKE A NIGHT TIME CLEANING CREW. THIS IS A 20, WOULD YOU SAY 24 OVER SEVEN OPERATION? IT IS A 24 OVER SEVEN OPERATION. SO AND SO YOU PAY FOR THAT. WE PAY FOR THAT? YES. AND WOULD YOU SAY THAT ON OUR SURVEYS THAT PEOPLE DO GIVE US HIGH MARKS ON OUR CLEANLINESS. WE DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN. BECAUSE WE, WHICH IS KIND OF WHY WE'RE DOING THE LEAP PROGRAM. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH RESTROOM SPACE, WHICH I THINK EVERYBODY HAS EXPERIENCED THAT. BUT WE DO. WE WERE JUST RECOGNIZED THIRD IN J.D. POWER AS A BEST LARGE AIRPORT. SO TOP THREE. SO THAT'S A REFLECTION IN OUR CUSTOMER SURVEYS. SO JANITORIAL TEAM, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A CONTRACT, IS REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF OUR TEAM PROVIDING CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE. WELL, AND I MEAN, IT MATTERS BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO INTO A AIRPORT THAT DOESN'T THAT'S THE FIRST THING YOU SEE IS THE STAINS ON THE CARPET OR THE, YOU KNOW, CONVENING AREAS WHERE THERE'S SO MUCH TRAFFIC THAT THE IT'S JUST WORN OUT AND IT LOOKS BAD. SO I WANT TO THANK YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR THIS. CAN YOU TELL ME HAVE WE EVER DONE WORK WITH UBM? I'M NOT AWARE OF THE AIRPORT THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM. THEY'RE A NEW VENDOR FOR THE CITY, SO THAT IS A NEW VENDOR. UBM IS A. BUT MIDWEST MAINTENANCE IS A FORMER. IT WILL. I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO BE. BUT THEY'RE. THEY WERE ALSO A NEW VENDOR. OKAY. SO BOTH ENTITIES LISTED HERE ARE NEW TO THIS OPERATION. YES. OKAY. SO IF WE DON'T PASS THIS TODAY, WHAT HAPPENS TO OPERATIONS AT THE AIRPORT? [02:15:06] WE WOULD NEED SOME TYPE OF EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT TO CONTINUE. OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW THAT PROCUREMENT. NO OFFENSE, JUANITA, BUT IT TAKES ABOUT A YEAR TO GET SOMETHING THROUGH. THAT'S WHY IT'S AN EMERGENCY. AND SO. YEAH. OKAY. YOU KNOW, I LOVE YOU. SO IT WOULD BE IT WOULD IT WOULD REALLY BRING THINGS TO A HALT. ONE OF THE BEST RUN AIRPORTS WITH A CLEANLINESS RATING AND I DON'T. I REALLY DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT FAULT HAPPEN TO YOU. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE NOW. THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN BLAIR. I'M SORRY. BLACKMON I'M GONNA ASK THE QUESTION. DID YOU I THINK YOU SAID IT'S A NEW COMPANY, BUT HAS THEY HAD CONTRACTS WITH THE CITY BEFORE AND FAILED TWICE WITH THE CITY? WE DO NOT HAVE THEM AS A VENDOR FOR THE CITY FOR THIS CONTRACT. HAVE THEY HAD A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY BEFORE? DO YOU HAVE THEM? I KNOW THEY THEY HAVE, BUT I DON'T KNOW AT WHAT LOCATION. THERE'S NONE EXISTING. BUT THEY'VE PREVIOUSLY IS STILL GOING WHILE THEY'RE TALKING. GO AHEAD. THEY HAVE PREVIOUSLY HAD CONTRACTS WITH THE CITY, NOT EXISTING CONTRACTS AND NOT AT THIS LOCATION. HOW DO THEY DO WHEN THEY HAD THE CITY CONTRACT WITH THE CITY. I'M I'M BEING TOLD THAT THEY FAILED. I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND AND LOOK AND SEE IF THAT'S THE CASE. CITY MANAGER, CAN YOU GIVE US GET GET THAT INFORMATION TO THE COUNCIL. THE REPUTATION OF WHAT HAPPENED WITH UVM WHEN THEY HAD THE CONTRACT WITH THE CITY. YES, SIR. WE CAN PROVIDE THAT FOR YOU. THANK YOU. HAS UVM CONFIRMED IN WRITING THAT THEY CAN MEET, THAT THEY WILL MEET THE STAFFING MINIMUMS AND PAY ALL EMPLOYEES WITH THE CITY LIVING WAGE? YES. I'M PAUSING BECAUSE I'M I'M CONCERNED ABOUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IT BECAUSE THE STYLE OF HOW THIS WAS DONE. I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE PUT IT OUT FOR A NEW, A NEW PROCESS, A NEW RFP. THE CURRENT. THE CONCERN FOR ME IS THAT IT'S BEING A FLAWED PROCUREMENT THAT WAS CLOSED OVER A YEAR AGO, AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE GIVING A THREE YEAR CONTRACT WITH A TWO YEAR OPTION. I THINK THE OPTION AGREEMENT, WHICH TENDS TO BE FIVE YEARS WITHOUT PUTTING OUT FOR A NEW RFP. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE THAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING THAT YOU'RE IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION. SO EXPOUND ON THAT. WHAT WOULD TAKE PLACE IF THE COUNCIL CHOSES TO NOT VOTE FOR THIS PARTICULAR VENDOR? WE WOULD HAVE TO DO AN EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT. WE COULD ALSO LOOK AT A COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT THAT ALREADY HAS EXISTING PRE-NEGOTIATED PRE-NEGOTIATED PRICING OR AN ILA WITH ANOTHER ENTITY. MY, MY LAST QUESTION IS, WILL THE DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION ENFORCE THE STAFFING MINIMUMS LISTED IN THE RFP FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE CONTRACT AND CONFIRM THE STAFFING MINIMUMS WILL NOT BE CHANGED? YES, WE DO HAVE A COMPLIANCE TEAM, AND WE ALSO HAVE A FACILITY TEAM THAT MANAGES THIS. THAT WAS THE PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH WHEN THIS WAS IDENTIFIED AND WE WORKED WITH PROCUREMENT, THAT THIS WAS ONE OF THE NON-COMPLIANT ITEMS THAT WE WERE INVESTIGATING. SO YES, WE WILL BE YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE HONORING THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE CONTRACT. SO YOU GUYS ARE STILL INVESTIGATING THAT. THAT HAS NOT BEEN CONFIRMED AS FAR AS FOR THIS EXISTING CONTRACT. YES. OH YEAH. YES. THEY HAVE CONFIRMED. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FOR THE PREVIOUS CONTRACT. YES. THIS IS A CHALLENGE FOR ME HONESTLY. THIS IS A CHALLENGE FOR ME, BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET GET THE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR COMPANY. IF THEY FAIL THE CITY BEFORE THEN I'M CONCERNED WHY WE'RE DOING BUSINESS WITH THEM AGAIN. AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU YOU GUYS HAVE NO RECORD OF THEM HAVING DOING ANY BUSINESS WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS. IS THAT CORRECT? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CORRECT WHEN I ASK THAT QUESTION. NO, I SAID NO EXISTING CONTRACT WITH THE CITY, NO CONTRACT AT THE AIRPORT. I CAN'T CONFIRM RIGHT NOW THAT THEY HAVEN'T HAD A CONTRACT. OKAY. SO YOU SAID I UNDERSTAND NO EXISTING CONTRACT, BUT I'M CONCERNED. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PREVIOUS CONTRACT THAT THEY HAD. AND SO THE CITY MANAGER SAID SHE WOULD GIVE ME THAT INFORMATION. I'M PRETTY SURE SHE'D GET THAT INFORMATION TO THE ENTIRE COUNCIL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. CHAIRMAN GRACEY RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, I'M JUST GOING TO REITERATE AGAIN WHETHER THIS IS THE FIRST I'M HEARING ABOUT THIS. THIS I'M ASSUMING, GOING FOLLOWING UP WITH DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, THE VENDOR THAT WE ARE ABOUT TO AWARD IN THIS CASE. [02:20:07] HE WAS ASKING IF THEY HAVE HAD A PREVIOUS CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OR AN EXISTING CONTRACT. THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL GOING TO CHECK TO SEE ON THAT. BECAUSE AGAIN, FOR ME IT'S ABOUT PERFORMANCE, PERFORMANCE, PERFORMANCE. AND AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EXPENSES. AND YES, THESE ARE OUR POLICIES. BUT AGAIN, IF PEOPLE ARE CHOOSING, THEY'RE MAKING A CHOICE. YOU CHOSE TO RESPOND AND THEN YOU CHOOSE NOT TO COMPLY. AND AS A RESULT, IT'S COSTING US MONEY. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE CITY'S POLICIES IN PLACE. IT'S ABOUT THE CHOICES THAT THESE BUSINESSES ARE MAKING AND THE IMPACT THAT IT'S COSTING ON THE CITY OF DALLAS. SO AGAIN, I'M GOING BACK TO WE'VE GOT TO TIGHTEN UP ON WHO WE CHOOSE TO DO BUSINESS WITH. AND YES, WE GO THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS. I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THE LEGAL RULES, BUT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, IF THEY HAVE BEEN POOR PERFORMERS WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS OR HAVE COST US ADDITIONAL MONEY AS A RESULT OF POOR PERFORMANCE, THEN I THINK WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE PRUDENT IN TERMS OF AUTHORIZING AND APPROVING THESE CONTRACTS. SO AGAIN, I GUESS I THINK I'M LOOKING FOR MORE BACKGROUND WITH SOME OF THESE VENDORS, NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT, BUT IN ANOTHER CASE, I THINK IT WAS RIGHT BECAUSE THEY HAD SOMETHING. THE ONE WE DID A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO BECAUSE THEY WERE POOR PERFORMERS SOMEWHERE ELSE OR HAD A BAD REPUTATION SOMEWHERE. SO I THINK THIS IS BECOMING MORE AND MORE OF AN ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT ABOUT IN TERMS OF REVIEWING THAT, NOT JUST OUR STANDARD STUFF, BUT AGAIN, LOOKING AT THEIR PERFORMANCE WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS HISTORICALLY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE GO BACK 20 YEARS, FIVE YEARS, I DON'T KNOW. BUT AGAIN, THIS POOR PERFORMANCE IS COSTING THE CITY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. AND I THINK WE NEED TO TIGHTEN UP ON THAT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WANTED TO FIRST OF ALL, ACKNOWLEDGE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM JOHNSON, AND THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY, FOR YOUR COMMENTS. I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY IS THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE CURRENT VENDOR THAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY AWARDED THIS CONTRACT TO HAS FAILED TO COMPLY WITH THE COUNCIL'S POLICY ON LIVING WAGE. AND I THINK WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY OF MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE BRINGING YOU THEN WHAT WE BELIEVE IS THEN THE BEST OPTION AT THIS TIME. OUR RECOMMENDATION COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY AND DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM JOHNSON IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SECOND HIGHEST RESPONSIVE BIDDER. GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THE PERFORMANCE OVERALL. WE CAN DEFINITELY COME BACK AND REPORT ON WHETHER OR NOT, IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL ISSUES THAT WE BELIEVE THAT THIS VENDOR WILL HAVE. BUT AT THIS POINT, BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DETERMINE AND THE CURRENT PERFORMANCE THAT THIS VENDOR HAS ON A CONTRACT THAT IS VERY SIMILAR AT DALLAS FORT WORTH INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT. WE FEEL COMFORTABLE RECOMMENDING THAT WE MOVE IN THIS DIRECTION. WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE BRING YOU BACK ANY INFORMATION ABOUT PAST PERFORMANCE. I AM NOT AWARE, NOR DO I BELIEVE THE TEAM IS AWARE, THAT UPM HAS BEEN A POOR PERFORMER ON A FORMER CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS. IF WE HAD THAT INFORMATION, DEFINITELY WOULD MAKE THAT AVAILABLE, BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF IT. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT IS THE CASE. BUT WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TAKING YOUR COMMENTS IN TO CONSIDERATION AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH OTHER CONTRACTS, ENSURING THAT PERFORMANCE, NOT JUST WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS, BUT WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, THAT WE TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT. SO WE CAN DEFINITELY MAKE SURE THAT WE CIRCLE BACK AND PROVIDE THAT FOLLOW UP INFORMATION. BUT TODAY, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO DEFINITELY MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SECOND MOST RESPONSIVE BIDDER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR FOR YOUR COMMENTS. MISS, DID YOU STILL WANT TO GET IN? I SEE YOUR HANDS GONE, BUT I HAD IT NOTED FOR THREE MINUTES IF YOU WANT. NO I'M GOOD, THANK YOU. OKAY, THEN I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM FOR ONE MINUTE. ONE MINUTE. DEPUTY MAYOR, PRO TEM, YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE. YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CITY MANAGER, CAN WE DEFER THIS UNTIL THE END OF THE COUNCIL SO WE CAN SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION ABOUT THE COMPANY? IF THEY HAD A CONTRACT TWO YEARS AGO, HOW DID THEY DO WITH THE CITY? ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? I AM, I WILL YOU KNOW, WE CAN PROCEED AS COUNCIL DIRECTS ON IT. I HAVE NO PROBLEMS MAKING SURE THAT WE JUST GO BACK AND CHECK OUR RECORDS AND ENSURE THAT WE PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION. OUR OUR TERMS AND CONDITIONS ALLOW US TO AWARD TO THE NEXT VENDOR. YES. WITHIN A YEAR OF COUNCIL AWARD. SO WE COULD NOT MOVE IT WITHOUT. WE'D HAVE TO VOTE TODAY. I'M JUST ASKING, CAN WE HOLD IT TILL THE END? OH, YES. YES. I THINK HIS QUESTION IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THAT BEFORE THEY VOTE ON THE ITEM. AND SO IF YOUR ANSWER YOUR THE ANSWER WOULD BE WE ARE WE'RE FINE DOING THAT. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM OKAY, MR. MAYOR, CAN WE DO I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER THIS. IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION BY YOUR COLLEAGUES, WE CAN HOLD IT. OKAY. I DON'T HEAR ANY OBJECTIONS. SO WE CAN. WE CAN. MADAM SECRETARY, I OBJECT. OKAY, THERE'S AN OBJECTION. WE'LL NEED TO VOTE ON THAT AS THE MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? [02:25:01] SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. I'M GOING TO ASK IF THAT'S A DEBATABLE MOTION OR NOT BEFORE WE I DON'T HAVE A DEBATE JUST TO GET THE POINT. POINT OF INFORMATION. CAN YOU. WHAT'S THE MOTION AGAIN? THE MOTION IS TO DEFER THIS TO LATER IN THE MEETING. LATER IN THE MEETING. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THAT'S YOUR. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SAY NO NOW, ADAM. I TRIED. THERE YOU GO. ALL RIGHT, SO I THINK THE AYES HAVE IT, SO WE'LL MOVE IT TO THE LATER IN THE MEETING. MR. MAYOR. MAYOR. IT WASN'T IT WASN'T DEBATABLE. NO, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK IN OUR AGENDA NOW TO PICK UP AN ITEM WE SKIPPED. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. INTENTIONALLY AGENDA ITEM FOR AGENDA ITEM FOUR. [4. 26-3112A Authorize payments to Dallas County for processing and maintaining City jail prisoners at the Lew Sterrett Criminal Justice Center for the period October 1, 2026 through September 30, 2027 - Not to exceed $9,323,285.00 - Financing: General Fund] AUTHORIZE PAYMENTS TO DALLAS COUNTY FOR PROCESSING AND MAINTAINING CITY JAIL PRISONERS AT THE STATE CRIMINAL JUSTICE CENTER FOR THE PERIOD OCTOBER 1ST, 2026 THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2027. NOT TO EXCEED $9,323,285. THIS ITEM WAS PULLED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN AND COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS. WILLIS RECOGNIZED FOR A MOTION. THANK YOU MAYOR. I MOVE TO APPROVE THIS ITEM WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGE. THE TOTAL PAYMENT IS AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $8.5 MILLION. IS THERE A SECOND? IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. CHAIRWOMAN WILLIS ON AGENDA ITEM FOUR. THANK YOU MAYOR. THIS ITEM WAS DISCUSSED BY THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE AND AS A SHOW OF GOOD FAITH TO DALLAS COUNTY. WE'RE ASKING COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE BUDGET FIGURE ORIGINALLY GIVEN BY DALLAS COUNTY. AS WE WAITED FOR A JAIL RATE STUDY TO BE COMPLETED. A THIRD PARTY FIRM DID CONDUCT A JAIL RATE STUDY, AND THE CITY RECEIVED IT SEPTEMBER 2ND. NORMALLY, WE HAVE 90 DAYS TO ABSORB INFORMATION LIKE THIS AND THE STAFF HAS SOME QUESTIONS AND SO ON, SOME OF THOSE COMPONENTS. AND SO WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO RESOLVE THOSE WITH THE COUNTY. AND BEFORE WE COME BACK TO COUNCIL TO AUTHORIZE ADDITIONAL PAYMENT. ALL RIGHT. MISS MENDELSOHN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. WHAT CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE IN THIS CONTRACT SINCE LAST YEAR? GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. GREG NELSON, DIRECTOR OF COURT AND DETENTION SERVICES. WE HAVE MET WITH DALLAS COUNTY ON JUNE THE 2ND. WE HAVE PROPOSED SOME PERFORMANCE MEASURES. WE ARE, WE ARE WAITING TO HEAR FROM THEM IN CORRESPONDENCE OR APPROVAL OF THOSE PERFORMANCE MEASURES. WE'VE ALSO BEEN IN TALKS WITH THE COUNTY ABOUT DOING REGISTRATIONS AT THE JAIL. OKAY. WELL, THAT WAS THE BIG DISCUSSION LAST YEAR IS HAVING PERFORMANCE MEASURES, WHICH IS MENTIONED IN THE CONTRACT, BUT NONE EXIST. AND SO I'M JUST REALLY DISAPPOINTED THAT A YEAR ON WE STILL DON'T HAVE PERFORMANCE MEASURES. MAY I ADD SOMETHING? COUNCILWOMAN. GOOD. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. DEPUTY CHIEF MONICA. SO I DO WANT TO ADD THAT METRICS WERE SUBMITTED TO DSO AND THOSE METRICS ARE STILL UNDER REVIEW BY THEIR LEGAL TEAM. AND THOSE METRICS ARE WHAT WERE SUBMITTED JUNE 2ND. SO THOSE METRICS WERE DISCUSSED INITIALLY WITH DSO EARLIER THIS YEAR. I WOULD SAY IN THE FIRST QUARTER IS WHEN I STARTED PERSONALLY HAVING MEETINGS WITH DSO STAFF. IT WAS DIFFICULT TO HAVE THEM COLLABORATE ON A METRIC WITH US. SO THE PROPOSED METRICS ARE METRICS THAT WE WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING. UNTIL WE GET THE METRICS REVIEWED BY THEIR LEGAL TEAM. WE ARE UNABLE TO MOVE FORWARD AT THIS TIME, SO WE ARE HOPING THAT SOON THEY WILL BE ABLE TO GET BACK TO US WITH A RESPONSE. CHIEF ARTIS CHIEF OF PUBLIC SAFETY WE SUBMITTED A A MEMO TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE THAT OUTLINED THE METRICS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, AS WELL AS CHANGES TO AMENDMENT FIVE ON WHAT IS A CITY PRISONER AND WHAT IS NOT A CITY PRISONER. OVER TWO MONTHS AGO, WE JUST HAVE NOT HEARD BACK FROM THE COUNTY ON THEIR ACCEPTANCE OR IF THEY WOULD LIKE ANY CHANGES TO THAT. OKAY. DID YOU ADDRESS WHEN WHEN THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE RELEASED A PRISONER, BUT THEY DIDN'T. IF WE ARE STILL PAYING FOR THAT. WE ARE WORKING THROUGH ALL THE THE METRICS WITH THEM TO UNDERSTAND AND MAKE SURE THAT SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST MEETING. [02:30:01] THAT THEY ARE ACCOUNTED FOR IN THIS CURRENT CONTRACT. WELL, AMENDMENT PROCESS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT NOT ONLY BEGINNING OUR REGISTRATIONS AGAIN AT THE COUNTY, BUT ALSO WHAT IS A CITY PRISONER? WHEN DOES IT TURN IN? THE PERSON TURNS INTO A COUNTY PRISONER AND WHO PAYS FOR WHAT? SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A CITY PRISONER VERSUS A COUNTY PRISONER, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE HOSPITALS? USUALLY WHEN IF A PERSON IS NOT ACCEPTED THROUGH THE NURSES LINE, THEY REMAIN A PRISONER. THEY ARE NOT A COUNTY PRISONER UNTIL THEY ARE MAGISTRATE. SO TAKING THEM TO GET ANOTHER CLEARANCE AT A DIFFERENT HOSPITAL AND THEN GO BACK TO THE NURSE LINE IS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THEY. WELL, WE WOULD TAKE THEM TO THE HOSPITAL SO THEY CAN BE CLEARED. IF THEY STAY THERE LONGER THAN 48 HOURS. WE ARE WE CALL THE THE COUNTY AND THEY WILL COME OUT AND MAGISTRATES MAGISTRATE THEM. CHIEF, I MAY HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT WE UTILIZE FOR THOSE. BUT ISN'T THAT ONLY IF THEY GET A ROOM AS OPPOSED TO IF THEY STAY IN AN ICU OR SOME OTHER LOCATION WITHIN THE HOSPITAL? IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY, YOU WANTED US TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS ON WHEN DSO IS NOTIFIED AND THEN HOW QUICK THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THAT NOTIFICATION. SO DSO HAS WHAT THEY CALL THEIR SHOT TEAM. THEY ARE SPECIFICALLY HOUSED INSIDE PARKLAND HOSPITAL. WHEN DPD IS MADE AWARE THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE, DSO NEEDS TO PROVIDE RELIEF BECAUSE THAT PRISONER HAS BEEN GIVEN A ROOM. THAT NOTIFICATION IS MADE AS SOON AS THE JAIL SUPERVISORS MADE AWARE. AND THEN DSO HAS 24 HOURS TO RESPOND. THEY ARE RESPONDING WITHIN THAT 24 HOUR PERIOD. AND THERE HAVE BEEN INSTANCES WHERE THEY PROVIDE, THEY RESPOND WITHIN HOURS. ONE OF THE METRICS, ONE OF THE PROPOSED METRICS WAS TO. ADOPT MEASURES TO MINIMIZE SOME OF THESE NURSE DELAYS. THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN FROM DSO WITH REGARDS TO THAT METRIC. THE CONCERN WAS STRONG ENOUGH WHERE THEY ASKED THAT WE REMOVE IT. SO THAT METRIC WAS REMOVED. WE ARE TRYING TO SET UP A MEETING WITH PARKLAND HOSPITAL AND THEIR ADMINISTRATION TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO ASSIST THIS MOVING FORWARD TO MINIMIZE THOSE NURSE LINE DELAYS. OKAY. BUT WHY WOULD AN ITEM BE SO DANGEROUS TO KNOW? TO KNOW HOW MANY TIMES THE NURSES ARE REJECTING A PATIENT? AND I MEAN, WHY CAN'T WE KNOW THAT? BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF THE CHIEF THINGS THAT WE HEAR FROM OFFICERS DOING THE BOOKING IS THAT THE PRISONERS FINE. OR THEY MAYBE HAVE HAD MEDICAL CARE THROUGH DHFR AND THEY'RE REQUIRING A HOSPITAL RELEASE. THAT MAY BE UNNECESSARY. AND NOW WE'VE GOT TWO OFFICERS GOING, WAITING IN AN E.R. FOR HOURS ON END. THEY MAY OR MAY NOT GET A ROOM. AND, I MEAN, THEY COULD BE THERE FOR MORE THAN 24 HOURS WITHOUT A ROOM. AND SO WHY WHY JUST HAVING THAT DATA POINT TRACKED. WHY IS THAT TOO DANGEROUS? AND WHY WOULD WE SAY THAT THAT'S OKAY. I MEAN, THE THE CONTRACT LITERALLY SAYS ACCOUNTABILITY. WELL, THAT IS ACCOUNTABILITY. AND IF WE SEE THAT THERE IS SOME ABNORMAL PERCENTAGE OF CASES WHERE THE PRISONERS ARE BEING TURNED AWAY IN THE NURSE LINE, WE CAN THEN HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATION, BUT MAYBE THE OFFICERS ARE JUST BLOWING IT UP AND IT'S NOT REALLY A BIG DEAL. BUT NOT HAVING THE INFORMATION MEANS WE REALLY DON'T KNOW AND THERE ISN'T ACCOUNTABILITY. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THE LACK OF INFORMATION HAPPENING THESE DAYS. I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THIS BECAUSE SEVEN YEARS NOW I'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT THIS. YOU KNOW, CHIEF ARTIST, YOU'RE SITTING THERE NODDING YOUR HEAD, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU'RE HEARING ABOUT THIS. AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR FOR US ON ONE OF OUR PERFORMANCE MEASURES THAT WE SUBMITTED FOR NUMBER TWO IS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF HOSPITAL TRANSPORTS FOLLOWING A JAIL NURSE EVALUATION. SO WE WOULD KNOW HOW MANY TIMES THIS IS OCCURRING ON OUR SIDE. AND SO THAT IS ONE OF THE PERFORMANCE METRICS WE HAVE SUBMITTED BEFORE THEM. AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO COUNT THAT ON OUR SIDE. SO WE WOULD KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY TIMES AFTER AN EVALUATION BY A NURSE WE'RE HAVING A TRANSPORT. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE CHIEF EAGLE HAS SAID THAT THAT IS BEING REMOVED. NO. NOT NO MA'AM. SO WE DPD ALONE DID KEEP TRACK OF HOW MANY HOSPITAL TRANSPORTS OCCURRED. SO FOR THE FISCAL YEAR OFFICERS ON 200 199, 200 INSTANCES WERE OFFICERS [02:35:09] REJECTED, AT LEAST IN THE NURSE'S LINE. AND I WANT TO ADD THAT THAT NUMBER USED TO BE LOWER. HOWEVER, WHEN WE DID REDUCE THE OVERTIME AT THE JAIL, IT CAUSED AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF, OF TIMES OFFICERS HAD TO WAIT IN THE NURSE'S LINE. SO THE DATA HAS BEEN INCREASING SINCE MAY. AND EVEN ON A MONTHLY AVERAGE, IT'S PROBABLY IT'S LESS THAN 50 OFFICERS THAT ARE SENT TO THE JAIL BY PARKLAND STAFF. AND SO THAT IS A METRIC THAT I WANT TO DISCUSS WITH PARKLAND ADMINISTRATION. WE'VE ALREADY REACHED OUT TO THEM. WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR THEM TO LET US KNOW WHEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT MEETING. AND THE FIRST THING THEY TOLD US IS THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE DSO IS PRESENT. OF COURSE. DO WE KNOW WHAT THE COST IS PER PRISONER TO BOOK SOMEBODY IN? SO JOSE MARQUEZ, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR THE MUNICIPAL COURT, ACCORDING TO THE MGT CONSULTANT ANALYSIS THAT THEY DID FOR CENTRAL INTAKE RIGHT NOW, MOVING FORWARD IS GOING TO COST US $414.94 PER PRISONER. THAT'S TAKEN IN BY A CITY AGENCY. AND SO THAT'S THE BOOK. AND THEN WHAT'S THE OVERNIGHT SAY? I THINK YOU CALL IT HOTELING. WHAT IS THAT COST? SO THE HOUSING RATE OR THE HOTEL HOTEL RATE THAT WE WOULD BE CHARGED IS PRETTY MUCH $98.26. SO IT'S A TOTAL OF $513.20 PER PRISONER THAT WE TAKE TO THE LOOSE DIRT. AND SO CHIEF, I THINK LAST YEAR WE TALKED ABOUT DPD DOING TIME MEASUREMENTS OF HOW LONG IT TAKES TO BOOK SOMEONE IN. DID THAT CONTINUE? DID THAT HAPPEN? CAN YOU SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH US? YES WE DID. SO WE ARE CURRENTLY TRACKING AN AVERAGE JAIL TIME REPORT AND I BROKE IT DOWN BY QUARTER. BUT WHAT WAS VERY INTERESTING AND VERY CONSISTENT IS THE AVERAGE TIME IS AT TWO HOURS AND 38 MINUTES. AND THAT'S EVERY WATCH DAYS, EVENINGS AND DEEP NIGHTS IN ORDER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE IT TECHNOLOGY CURRENTLY. WE ALSO ATTEMPTED TO CAPTURE THE TIME THAT THE OFFICERS MADE THAT FIRST KEYSTROKE IN WRITING THEIR ARREST REPORT. THERE WERE I WORKED WITH MAJOR BISHOP ON THAT PROJECT AND HE AND CITY. IT WORKED TOGETHER TRYING TO IMPLEMENT A FORMULA THAT WOULD WORK. THERE WERE PRELIMINARY REPORTS, BUT WE FOUND THAT THE DATA WAS MISCONSTRUED AND IT WAS AFFECTING THE CURRENT REPORTS THAT WERE IN CAD AND MS.. SO BECAUSE WE CURRENTLY LACK THAT IT TECHNOLOGY TO WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT A MORE AUTOMATED SOLUTION. AND SO WE. THE ONLY THING THAT IS AVAILABLE TO US IS IMPLEMENTING A QR CODE. AND THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE ARE REQUESTING TO MEET WITH PARKLAND BECAUSE IF I'M GOING TO CAPTURE DATA, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT DATA TO INCREASE EFFICIENCY AT THE JAIL. BUT IF THE CONCERNS COME BACK TO LEGALITY ISSUES, OVERCROWDING ISSUES, THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SET A TIME, A SET TIME FOR EVERY NURSE TO CONDUCT THEIR PRISONER MEDICAL EVALUATION, BECAUSE EVERY PRISONER'S MEDICAL NEEDS ARE DIFFERENT. AND SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A THEY DON'T HAVE A STANDARD SET TIME. BUT IF I CAN BEGIN THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AND LET THEM KNOW I WANT TO CAPTURE THIS INFORMATION, IF I CAPTURE IT, WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ASSIST ME IN MAKING THINGS MORE EFFICIENT? SO MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE PERHAPS IT'S A QR CODE. WHAT WHATEVER METHOD YOU WERE GOING TO USE, LIKE WHEN YOU GET INTO THE SALLY PORT AND YOU'RE TRANSFERRING THE PRISONER. SO THE BEGINNING OF BOOK IN. AND THEN THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER TIME, WHICH YOU WERE ALLUDING TO WHEN THE OFFICER SITS DOWN AT THE COMPUTER BANK TO ACTUALLY WRITE THE REPORT. AND SO, I MEAN, IT SEEMS TO ME IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE A QR CODE, YOU COULD LITERALLY PUT THAT ON THE MONITOR AND SAY, HEY, BEFORE YOU, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE LOGGING IN, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME LOGIN NOTES ALREADY, MAKE SURE YOU START YOUR TIME. SO WERE YOU ABLE TO CAPTURE THAT? SO THE PLAN IS TO TOSS THE DETENTION OFFICERS WITH THE QR CODE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE MORE RELIABLE. AND PART OF WE WANT TO MAKE SURE. SO CAN YOU JUST DEFINE WHAT A DETENTION OFFICER IS? THE DETENTION OFFICER IS THE OFFICER THAT IS HIRED TO PRIMARILY OBSERVE PRISONERS WHILE THEY'RE IN THE NURSE'S LINE. [02:40:03] AND SO EACH DETENTION OFFICER. IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ABOUT 4 TO 5 PRISONERS AT A TIME. SO I'M SORRY, JUST TO CLARIFY. SO A PATROL OFFICER IS TAKING A PRISONER IN LET'S SAY THERE'S TWO OF THEM, RIGHT? AND YOU'RE SAYING THEN THEY ARE THEN ACCOMPANIED BY A DETENTION OFFICER WHO'S STATIONED ALWAYS IN THE BOOKING AREA. SO THEY'RE ALWAYS ON THE BOOKING FLOOR. IF THE DETENTION OFFICER IS AT MAX CAPACITY OR THE THE PRISONERS UNRULY OR THERE IS A SPECIAL MEDICAL NEED OR THERE IS A COMBATIVE PRISONER, THEN THE OFFICERS ARE REQUIRED TO REMAIN WITH THAT PRISONER UNTIL THEY SEE THE NURSE'S LINE. SO WHEN WE'RE CAPTURING THE AVERAGE JAIL TIME REPORT, IT STARTS THE MOMENT THAT THE OFFICERS HIT THE GEO FENCE AT THE JAIL. AND THEN IT HITS THE TIME THAT THE JAIL SERGEANT APPROVES THAT REPORT. SO IN BETWEEN THERE IS THE THE SHAKEDOWN LINE, THE THE MEDICAL LINE, AND THEN THE FINAL APPROVAL OF THE ARREST REPORT. AND THAT'S WHERE THAT AVERAGE OF TWO HOURS AND 38 MINUTES COMES FROM. OKAY. OKAY. WELL, THAT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND SO THIS REVISED NUMBER IS UNDER LAST YEAR'S AGREEMENT OF AGREED UPON PRISONERS. IS THAT RIGHT? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. WELL, I'M FINE WITH THAT. I WILL SAY I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT WE DON'T HAVE, LIKE, A METRICS REPORT. WHICH IS WHAT I WAS HOPING WE WOULD HAVE AT THIS POINT. IS THERE ANY KIND OF SET DATE FOR A MEETING? YES, WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE A MEETING. HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT MONTH. WE WANT TO BRING UP WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN A NEW REPORT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CAPTURING ALL OF THE COST CENTERS, TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE PAYING AS A CITY. AND THEN ALL OF THAT'S GOING TO BE INPUT INPUT TO ONE AMENDMENT. SO WHEN WE COME BACK TO COUNCIL, IT'S THAT AMENDMENT. AND THEN WE'LL HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET THROUGH THE TOLL AGREEMENT ON THE TOTAL PRICE AND ALL OF THAT TO BE ONE WHOLE PACKAGE. OKAY. SO GIVEN IT'S BEEN A WHOLE YEAR AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR, WHAT'S A REASONABLE TIME FRAME WHERE THIS IS GOING TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL? WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE. HOPE WITH OUR SIDE SAYING IN THE NEXT MONTH WE'RE MEETING WITH THEM TO GET THAT PIECE TAKEN CARE OF THE PERFORMANCE MEASURES HAVE ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED, AS WELL AS OUR SECTION THREE ON CLARIFICATION OF DEFINITION OF A CITY PRISONER. WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS MAKE SURE WITH THE NEW REPORT THAT WE JUST RECEIVED, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING IN THE REPORT. SO WHEN YOU'RE ASKING US US QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY ARE WE PAYING CERTAIN THINGS, WE CAN DEFINITELY KNOW AND UNDERSTAND AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE GONE THROUGH AND AGREE WITH THE COUNTY ON, AND THIS IS OUR COST CENTERS FOR EACH ONE OF OUR PRISONERS. SO IS IT FAIR TO ASSUME WE CAN GET A FULL COUNCIL BRIEFING ON THIS BY THE END OF JANUARY 2027? YES. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT. YES, THAT WOULD BE THE GOAL. I MEAN, IF NOT, I THINK THE COUNTY HAS TO BE ON BLAST. YEAH. LIKE THIS IS JUST CRAZY THAT WE STILL DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF METRICS FOR A VERY OLD CONTRACT. AND, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR WE HAVE TO ASK THESE SAME QUESTIONS. AND SO THANK YOU FOR WORKING ON IT. I TRULY APPRECIATE IT. IT WAS VERY SMART TO GEOFENCE IT, BUT LIKE, WE CAN'T SAY WE HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY WHEN WE DON'T. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. CHAIR. WELL, IF YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. AND JUST FOR THE EDIFICATION OF THE THE COUNCIL. WE ARE TAKING A LOOK AT ALL OF THESE COMPONENTS OF THIS CONTRACT AND OF, OF WHAT HOW THE WHOLE BOOKING PROCESS GOES BECAUSE THE FIRST PART, DPD OWNS THE MIDDLE PART PARKLAND OWNS, AND THEN IT GOES TO THE COUNTY. AND SO AND TO ACTUALLY THE DALLAS SHERIFF'S OFFICE. SO WE HAVE OUR MEETING. IT'LL BE NEXT WEEK WITH THE CEO OF PARKLAND. AND I BEG TO DIFFER WITH YOU, CHIEF. I GO, HE WASN'T TALKING ABOUT INCLUDING THE DALLAS SHERIFF'S OFFICE. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT MEMBERS OF HIS PARKLAND TEAM THAT ARE THE THE JAIL LEADERSHIP. OKAY. SO SO I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT WE'RE BREAKING THIS DOWN AND THE COMPONENTS THAT WE MANAGE, WE WILL PERFECT WILL KAIZEN, THAT WE WILL GET OUR QR CODES, WE WILL DO WHAT WE CAN TO MONITOR THE INS AND OUTS AND PERIODS OF TIME. PARKLANDS IS A WHOLLY OWNED COMPONENT TO THEM. AND SO THAT'S WHY I DON'T KNOW THAT MEETINGS HAVE BEEN INITIATED WITH THEM RIGHT NOW. AND I'M COMMUNICATING WITH THE CEO ABOUT OPENING THAT UP SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THEIR EFFICIENCY. AND THEN THE COUNTY'S PART IS BEYOND THAT. AND SO WE ARE DEFINITELY TAKING A LOOK AT THIS. [02:45:02] I KNOW THAT THIS IS A CONCERN, BUT LAST YEAR, IF YOU RECALL, WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION AROUND THIS AND I THINK IT BRED SOME ILL WILL. AND WE ARE IN THE PROCESS. AND CHIEF, I GO CREDIT WITH YOU WITH THAT OF REALLY WORKING TO TURN OVER A NEW LEAF. I HAD A NICE CONVERSATION WITH COMMISSIONER PRICE THIS MORNING. I'M SORRY HE COULDN'T STAY FOR THIS DISCUSSION, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING THIS OFF ON A POSITIVE STEP WHERE WE CAN GET THOSE METRICS CONFIRMED AND, AND MOVE FORWARD AND COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH A FULL BRIEFING. I CAN'T CONTROL THE COUNTY SCHEDULE, BUT IN MAKING PASSING THIS MOTION, IT DOES GIVE US SOME LEVERAGE. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN RIDLEY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. JUST ONE QUESTION. WHILE THE DETAILS OF THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT ARE UNDER DISCUSSION AND THIS MATTER IS ON DEFERRAL, WILL WE BE PAYING DALLAS COUNTY ON A MONTHLY BASIS FOR HANDLING PRISONERS, OR ARE WE SUSPENDING PAYMENTS UNTIL THIS IS ALL AGREED TO? SO THE AGENDA ITEM THAT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY IS TO AUTHORIZE PAYMENTS. SO PARALLEL THAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON AMENDMENTS TO THE CURRENT AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE. SO BEFORE YOU TODAY IN MOTION THAT WAS PRESENTED BY COUNCILWOMAN WILLIS, IS TO GO AHEAD AND AUTHORIZE PAYMENTS SO WE CAN START MAKING PAYMENTS, MONTHLY PAYMENTS. SO PRETTY MUCH IF YOU AUTHORIZE THE 8.5 MOTION THAT HAS BEEN SET BEFORE YOU? WE WOULD BREAK THAT OUT BY THE 12 MONTHS. SO WE WOULD BE MAKING A MONTHLY PAYMENT TO THEM. AS FAR AS AUTHORIZATION IS DONE AND WE'LL COVER THE MONTH OF OCTOBER. SO WHAT IS THAT MONTHLY PAYMENT BASED UPON IF WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT. SO RIGHT NOW THE THE, THE CURRENT AMOUNT THAT'S ON THE AGENDA ITEM, THE 9.3 IS BASED ON FY 25 ACTUALS. OKAY. SO WE'RE JUST CONTINUING THE AVERAGE PAYMENT IN THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR UNTIL WE REACH AGREEMENT ON A NEW CONTRACT. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK ON FOR AGENDA ITEM FOUR? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. LET'S STAND AT EASTER. JUST ONE SECOND WHILE I TALK TO THE CITY SECRETARY, HELEN. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE IF WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE UP THAT ITEM WE PUSHED TO FURTHER BACK IN THE MEETING, BUT I DON'T THINK THE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO WE PUSHED IT BACK FOR IS READY YET. SO JUST STAND AT EASE FOR A COUPLE MORE MINUTES. MR. RIDLEY, DID YOU HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT FOR TODAY THAT YOU WANTED TO DO BEFORE WE BROKE FOR LUNCH, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BREAK FOR LUNCH AFTER. IF WE GET TO TAKE UP THIS AGENDA ITEM BEFORE LUNCH, WHICH I HOPE WE CAN. YES, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THAT ANNOUNCEMENT NOW. THANK YOU MAYOR. IT'S MY PLEASURE TO ASSIST IN CELEBRATING ONE OF OUR MEMBERS BIRTHDAYS, AND THAT IS OUR MAYOR, MAYOR ERIC JOHNSON. SO IT IS MY BIRTHDAY. I'M LIKE, WHO IS IT FOR? I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW. THEY DON'T TELL. THEY DIDN'T TELL ME. WELL, SO DOES SOMEONE CARE TO LEAD US IN THE HAPPY BIRTHDAY SONG? I GOT IT. Y'ALL READY? I KNOW, AND IT'S REALLY MARILYN MONROE. HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU. HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU. HAPPY BIRTHDAY, DEAR MAYOR JOHNSON. HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. I'M TOLD THAT WE ARE GOING TO. THEN JUST HOLD THAT ITEM THAT WE DEFERRED TO LATER IN THE MEETING UNTIL AFTER LUNCH. SO I'M GOING TO READ YOU SOME STATUTORY LANGUAGE AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. IT IS 12:10 P.M. [CLOSED SESSION] ON OCTOBER 14TH, 2026. THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WILL NOW GO INTO CLOSED SESSION UNDER SECTION 551.07, ONE OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT ON THE FOLLOWING MATTER DESCRIBED ON TODAY'S AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER 29. SO WITH THAT, WE WILL STAY AT RECESS UNTIL 1 P.M.. THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND THANK YOU FOR THE CAKE. [02:50:02] AND CHAIRMAN RIDLEY, I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT. CITY COUNCIL HAS COMPLETED ITS CLOSED SESSION UNDER SECTION FIVE, 51.07, ONE OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, AND AT 1:17 P.M. ON OCTOBER 14TH, 2026, WE RETURN TO OPEN SESSION AND MADAM CITY SECRETARY, LET'S PICK UP WHERE WE LEFT OFF. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WE NEED TO GO BACK TO AGENDA ITEM 19. ALRIGHTY. LET'S DO THAT. ONE SECOND, MR. MAYOR. OKAY. WHERE'S MY PEN? OH, I LOST. MR. MAYOR, WE WILL HOLD. CONTINUE HOLDING AGENDA ITEM 19. [24. 26-3084A Consideration of appointments to boards and commissions and the evaluation and duties of board and commission members (List of nominees is available in the City Secretary's Office)] WE'LL MOVE TO YOUR FIRST INDIVIDUAL ITEM. AGENDA ITEM 24. AGENDA ITEM 24 IS YOUR APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THIS AFTERNOON. YOU DO HAVE FULL COUNCIL IN AN INDIVIDUAL AND AN INDIVIDUAL AND A FULL COUNCIL APPOINTMENT. HOWEVER, A WAIVER IS NEEDED AND SHOULD BE CONSIDERED BEFORE ANY OF THE NOMINEES ARE PRESENTED. MR. MAYOR, SO THERE WILL BE THERE SHOULD THERE SHOULD BE A MOTION FOR WAIVER. CHAIRMAN WILLIS. FOR WHAT PURPOSE? MAKE A MOTION. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THAT PURPOSE. I MOVE TO WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT THAT A YOUTH COMMISSION MEMBER MUST RESIDE WITHIN THE DISTRICT FOR WHICH THE MEMBER IS APPOINTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 8-1.4. I. IS THERE A SECOND? IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECOND. IS THERE ANY. IS THAT A DEBATABLE MOTION? IF SO, WE'LL OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION. IT IS, I'M TOLD, BY THE PARLIAMENTARIAN. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT ITEM? JUST THAT THIS ALLOWS KIDS THAT HAVE BEEN APPOINTED PREVIOUSLY FOR FIVE MINUTES IF YOU WANT. OH, YES. YES. YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. SO THIS JUST ALLOWS KIDS THAT COUNCIL HAS PREVIOUSLY VOTED ON THAT WE'VE PREVIOUSLY APPOINTED TO SERVE TO CONTINUE THEIR SERVICE ON THE YOUTH COMMISSION. DON'T FIRE THE KIDS IS WHAT IT IS. MISS MENDELSOHN, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. [02:55:02] THIS IS ON A MOTION ON ITEM 24. THIS IS FOR THE WAIVER OF THE TWO STUDENTS THAT WERE INCORRECTLY PLACED ON THE YOUTH COMMISSION. IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT A PARLIAMENTARY INQUIRY? IT IS. I DON'T KNOW. YES, MR. MAYOR. THAT'S CORRECT. AND CAN YOU SHARE WHY THEY WERE INCORRECTLY PLACED ON THERE? WHAT HAPPENED THAT THAT. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY I DON'T THINK IT'S PERMANENT. I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY A DISCUSSION YOU WANT. YES. AND THIS IS NOW MY FIVE MINUTES. YES. GOTCHA. YOU CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY SECRETARY FOR SURE. OKAY. I'M SORRY. CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED? THAT WOULD. OKAY, SO MY TIME IS BEING USED TO REPEAT THE QUESTION. DON'T DON'T USE OUR TIME TO REPEAT THE QUESTION, BUT GO AHEAD. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO GET MY TIME BACK. ONE SECOND. I'M SORRY. LET ME RESET IT AND LET ME GET MY STAFF TO WORK THE TIMER. OKAY. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A THREE MINUTE. I THINK IT'S A FIVE MINUTE. THANK YOU. SO I WOULD LIKE FOR THERE TO BE A RECITATION OF WHAT HAPPENED, THAT WE WOULD BE IN A SITUATION WHERE A WAIVER WOULD BE CONSIDERED. SO A WAIVER IS, IS IS ACCEPTED. AND IT'S IT'S TYPICAL AND IT'S STANDARD FOR THIS PARTICULAR BOARD. BUT THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE WITH THOSE TWO NOMINEES IS BECAUSE THEY WERE APPOINTED IN ERROR BY MY BY DEPARTMENT. THEY WERE PLACED ON THE LIST FOR APPOINTMENT IN ERROR. AND THE ERROR WAS IT WAS THAT THEY WERE DID NOT RESIDE IN THE COUNCIL DISTRICT OF THE NOMINATING COUNCIL MEMBER. SO WHEN YOU SAY IT'S STANDARD, DOES THAT MEAN IT'S HAPPENED MULTIPLE TIMES BEFORE? I MET STANDARD BY THE WAIVER. THE WAIVER IS WE'VE WAIVED OTHER REQUIREMENTS BEFORE USING THE SAME METHOD. I MEAN THE WAIVER WAIVING THE RESIDENCE RESIDENTS RESIDENCY IS A STANDARD WAIVER. SO I DON'T RECALL EVER APPROVING A WAIVER ON THE YOUTH COMMISSION. CAN YOU RECALL WHEN THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE SEVEN YEARS, WHICH IS THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT ANYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL HAS SERVED? I MEAN, I DON'T RECALL EVER DOING THAT. I DON'T RECALL EITHER, BUT I HAVE TO GO BACK. I CAN'T SAY EVER. SO WHEN COUNCIL MEMBERS NOMINATE SOMEBODY FOR. I WAS GOING TO PAUSE YOU JUST FOR A SECOND. WE'RE NOT RUNNING THE CLOCK AT ALL RIGHT NOW. SO WE'VE GOT THE OPPOSITE PROBLEM SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE TWO EXTREMES. WE'LL GET IT RIGHT. AND I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFICULTIES BECAUSE THE PERSON WHO NORMALLY OPERATES THIS. I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT MY STAFF WAS RUNNING THE CLOCK. YOU ARE THE DIRECT REPORT. YOU WANT TO TALK. SO MY MY QUESTION IS THAT WHEN A COUNCIL MEMBER NOMINATES SOMEBODY TO ANY BORDER COMMISSION, THERE'S A SERIES OF CHECKS. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE'S FOUR CHECKS. IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK THERE'S FIVE CHECKS. THERE'S FIVE. WOW. OKAY. AND SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE COUNCIL, IT SAYS EVERYBODY'S CLEARED. IF THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH A BACKGROUND, WE GENERALLY DISCUSS THAT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. IF THE COUNCIL MEMBER AND THE NOMINEE WANT TO STILL MOVE FORWARD, KNOW NOT ONLY ONLY ISSUES THAT WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION ARE FOR CRIMINAL BACKGROUND. YES. ANY OTHER ANY OTHER ISSUES ARE CONSULTANT. I TALKED WITH THE ACTUAL NOMINATING COUNCIL MEMBERS. OKAY. SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THE COUNCIL DIDN'T KNOW. WELL I WILL SAY I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT FOR THE YOUTH COMMISSION. WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS AT THE AD HOC ADMINISTRATIVE MEETING, NOBODY ON THE AD HOC THAT WAS PRESENT ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THEY KNEW ABOUT THIS IN ADVANCE EITHER. WOULD YOU SAY THAT WAS WHAT YOU HEARD EVERYBODY DISCUSS? THAT'S WHAT I HEARD THE DISCUSS. YES. SO WHEN IT CAME, I WILL SAY FOR COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO APPOINTEE, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY KNEW THAT PERSON WAS NOT IN THE DISTRICT. AND I THINK HE HAS EXPRESSED THAT. HE DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS EITHER A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT OR THAT THE PERSON DIDN'T LIVE IN THE DISTRICT. EITHER WAY. DOESN'T MATTER. BUT THERE IS ANOTHER NOMINEE, WHICH IS THE CHILD OF A COUNCIL MEMBER. AND IT DID RAISE SOME EYEBROWS LIKE, WOW, HOW CAN WE EVEN NOMINATE THE CHILD OF A COUNCIL MEMBER TO BE ON THAT? AND THEN IT WAS FOR A DIFFERENT COUNCIL DISTRICT. AND I WILL SAY, I WAS LIKE, WOW, THAT'S SO WILD. AND BUT YET IT HAD GONE THROUGH ALL THE CHECKS. SO I LEFT IT ALONE BECAUSE I'M LIKE, WELL, I GUESS THAT'S FAIR GAME. I CAN'T IMAGINE SOMEBODY WANTING TO NOMINATE SOMEBODY OUTSIDE THEIR DISTRICT WHEN THEY HAVE ALL OF THOSE YOUTH IN THEIR DISTRICT THAT COULD HAVE HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY. AND I THINK IT IS A CONFLICT WHEN IT'S THE CHILD OF A COUNCIL MEMBER. BUT SINCE THERE'S ALL THESE CHECKS, IT MUST HAVE BEEN LEGIT. WE JUST I THINK IT WAS UNANIMOUS TO JUST APPROVE IT. [03:00:02] NOBODY MADE A BIG ISSUE OF IT. BUT THEN IT BECAME A BIG ISSUE ONCE IT WAS DETERMINED THAT ACTUALLY THERE IS A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT, WHICH OF COURSE ALSO BRINGS UP, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE LAST NAME, IT'S NOT IT'S NOT JOHNSON. IT'S NOT A SUPER COMMON LAST NAME. SO HOW WOULD SOMEBODY IN THE CITY MISS THAT? THAT IS SURPRISING TO ME THAT IT WOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH FIVE CHECKS, NOT JUST YOURS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE YOU IF YOU SAY IT WAS JUST AN INNOCENT MISTAKE. BUT REALLY IN FIVE DIFFERENT AREAS, NOBODY WENT, HEY, IS THAT PERSON RELATED? THAT'S SURPRISING TO ME. SO NOW WE HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE AD HOC THAT WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY CHANGE OUR RULES TO ACCOMMODATE THIS SITUATION. AND WHEN I ASKED ABOUT, WELL, WHY WAS IT EVER PUT IN PLACE TO HAVE A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT. THE ANSWER WAS, WELL, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW. BUT WHEN YOU GO BACK AND YOU WATCH THE VIDEO, WHICH ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC CAN DO, THERE'S A VERY CLEAR REASON. AND IT'S ACTUALLY THE DISTRICT SEVEN COUNCIL MEMBER, TIFFANY YOUNG, EXPLAINING HOW SHE THINKS, HOW IMPORTANT IT IS. AND SHE WAS THE ONE WHO BROUGHT FORWARD THE REINSTATEMENT OF THE YOUTH COMMISSION WITH MAYOR RAWLINGS. HOW IMPORTANT SHE THOUGHT IT WAS THAT THE PERSON ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO REPRESENT THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THEY LIVE, THEIR DISTRICT. AND THIS WAS DISCUSSED AMONGST THE COUNCIL. AND SO HERE, LITERALLY IN THE VERY SAME AREA, WE'RE GOING TO NOW WAIVE THAT. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD SAY IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER WHERE THE PERSON'S FROM AND IF THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE A MIRROR OF THE COUNCIL, WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL IDEA. WELL, WE HAVE A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT ALSO, AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT SHE SAID. SO I'M NOT FORGIVING A WAIVER. I'M SORRY THAT PEOPLE GOT INCORRECTLY PUT ON. THEY SHOULD BE PULLED OFF. AND CHILDREN IN THAT INDIVIDUAL DISTRICT SHOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE. IF THE COUNCIL MEMBER WANTS TO APPOINT SOMEBODY, IN MY CASE, I DON'T EVEN THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A YOUTH COMMISSION. I THINK THIS IS A COMPLETE WASTE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS. THERE'S MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR LEADERSHIP AND EXPERIENCE WITHIN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, AND WE HAVE CIVIC BUSINESS TO TAKE CARE OF. WE'RE NOT ABOUT SENDING TEENAGERS OFF TO D.C. TO MEET WITH THEIR CONGRESSMAN. THAT IS NOT THE JOB OF CIVIC GOVERNMENT. SO I AM OPPOSED TO THE WAIVER. I AM VERY CONCERNED THAT WE WOULD EVEN CHANGE A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT. BUT WHEN WE LOOKED AT YOUR PRESENTATION BILIERAE, THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS. THAT WHOLE THING NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AND STANDARDIZED SO THAT IT'S EASY TO SEE WHEN SOMETHING'S OUTSIDE THE PARAMETERS. THANK YOU. THAT'S YOUR TIME FOR THIS ROUND. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION BY? BY THE WAY, WE ARE ACTUALLY ON THE MOTION TO WAIVE THE REQUIREMENTS. SO WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY ON THE UNDERLYING ITEM YET. SO I GUESS YOU CAN COUNT IT AGAINST MY TIME. I WANT TO ASK A QUESTION BECAUSE I DON'T, I DIDN'T GET A COPY OF THE WRITTEN MOTION, BUT IS THIS, IS THIS TO WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT PERMANENTLY OR IS IT JUST FOR THESE PARTICULAR NOMINEES TODAY? IT'S JUST FOR THESE NOMINEES TODAY. OKAY. THE WAIVER IS ONLY FOR A PARTICULAR NOMINEE WHEN THEY NEED WHEN THEY'RE UP FOR APPOINTMENT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO EVERYBODY HEARD THAT, RIGHT? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NOTED. NO. I WANT A RECORD ON IT. OKAY. JUST EVERYBODY CAN FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE SAY YES IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR. NO. IF YOU OPPOSE COUNCIL MEMBER WEST. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. MORENO. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. GRACEY. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. CADENA. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BAZALDUA. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BLAIR. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BLACKMON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. STEWART. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. ROTH. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER. MENDELSOHN. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER. WILLIS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. RIDLEY. YES. DEPUTY MAYOR. PRO TEM JOHNSON. YES. MAYOR PRO TEM RESENDEZ. YES. MAYOR JOHNSON. NO. WHAT? 12. VOTING IN FAVOR. THREE OPPOSED THE ITEM. THE WAIVER PASSES, MR. MAYOR. OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE ON THE UNDERLYING ITEM. IS THERE A MOTION? I NEED TO I NEED TO PRESENT THE THE NOMINEES. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. SO YOUR NOMINEES FOR CONSIDERATION FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION TO THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD. BRITAIN V WILLIAMS IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WEST TO THE YOUTH COMMISSION. JAVIER A VALLE IS BEING NOMINATED BY DEPUTY MAYOR. PRO MAYOR PRO TEM RESENDEZ RYAN C LOPEZ IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCILMEMBER MORENO, AND CELESTE M [03:05:08] BAZALDUA IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCILMEMBER BLACKMON. YOUR NOMINEE FOR FULL COUNCIL APPOINTMENT TO THE REINVESTMENT ZONE 19 BOARD CYPRESS WATERS BRETT JOHANSEN IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER CADENA. THESE ARE YOUR NOMINEES, MISTER MAYOR. PARLIAMENTARY INQUIRY STATE YOUR INQUIRY. WOULD ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON VOTING ON ANY OF THESE MEMBERS? CONFLICTS OF INTEREST ARE, I THINK, A CITY ATTORNEY, CITY ATTORNEY'S PURVIEW, NOT A PARLIAMENTARY INQUIRY. BUT I'LL LET HIM ANSWER THAT QUESTION. MR. MAYOR, AS I'VE STATED BEFORE, WE DID NOT DISCUSS ANYBODY'S CONFLICT OF INTEREST EXCEPT FOR WITH THAT PERSON. SO IS IT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PERSON MUST COME FORWARD AND STATE THEIR OWN CONFLICT OF INTEREST, AND THAT OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN'T POINT IT OUT? YES. IN SHORT, YES. DID WE ONLY DISCUSS IT WITH THAT SINGLE PERSON? AND IS THE CITY ATTORNEY ABLE TO INFORM A MEMBER THAT THEY HAVE A CONFLICT PROACTIVELY, OR MUST THEY SEEK YOUR GUIDANCE? THIS IS THIS IS A I'M GOING TO HAVE TO PUT YOU ON THE CLOCK AT THIS POINT BECAUSE IT'S OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW OF A PARLIAMENTARY INQUIRY. IT'S A IT'S A DEBATE POINT, I BELIEVE. BUT HAVE WE EVEN HAD THE MOTION TO APPROVE MOVE APPROVAL? IS THERE A SECOND? OKAY. NOW THE MATTERS BEFORE US PROPERLY AND I'LL JUST RECOGNIZE YOU FOR FIVE MINUTES. MISS MENDELSOHN, GO AHEAD. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO RESTATE IT OR. I HEARD IT. I THINK I HEARD IT. AS A GENERAL RULE, THE MEMBER COMES TO US. AND SO DO YOU HAVE A DUTY TO INFORM THE MEMBER IF YOU SEE A CONFLICT? DOES THAT BECOME THEN AN ISSUE FOR THE INSPECTOR GENERAL, OR ARE YOU ABLE TO INFORM THE MEMBER THAT THERE'S A CONFLICT? I DON'T THINK THERE IS A UNIVERSAL RULE FOR THAT. I THINK GENERALLY WE WE WE TRY TO PROTECT THE MEMBERS, BUT IT REALLY IS UP TO THE MEMBER HIMSELF. HIM OR HERSELF. SO IF A MEMBER DOESN'T COME TO YOU AND TAKES A VOTE THAT IS DETERMINED TO BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, WHAT IS THE PROPER METHOD FOR ADDRESSING THAT? IF ANYBODY BELIEVES IN THE CITY OF DALLAS THAT THE. CHAPTER 12 A THE CODE OF ETHICS WAS VIOLATED, THEY WOULD GO TO THE INSPECTOR GENERAL. I BELIEVE THEY HAVE A WHISTLE HELPLINE. OKAY. WELL, I'VE ALREADY SAID ON THE LAST ITEM WITH THE WAIVER THAT I THINK IT'S COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE THAT WE'RE EVEN DOING THIS. AND UNLESS WE INTEND TO REMOVE THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE GIVING SPECIAL CONSIDERATION TO ANYBODY. I ALSO THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT SAYS THAT WE WOULD NOT ALLOW A CHILD OF OUR OWN TO BE ON THIS YOUTH COMMISSION. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST AGENDA ITEM 24? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NO. NOTED. TWO NOS. MAYOR JOHNSON AND COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN. AYES PREVAIL. OKAY, WELL, NOW GO BACK TO AGENDA ITEM 19, MR. MAYOR. THE THE ITEM WAS READ INTO THE RECORD. WOULD YOU LIKE FOR ME TO REREAD THE ITEM? OKAY. PLEASE DO. THANK YOU. ITEM 19 IS AUTHORIZED ONE RESCINDING THE THREE YEAR SERVICE CONTRACT WITH TWO ONE YEAR, ONE YEAR RENEWAL OPTIONS WITH MIDWEST MAINTENANCE COMPANY, INC. FOR GROUPS ONE AND FOUR PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ON OCTOBER 22ND, 2025 BY RESOLUTION NUMBER 225-1686 FOR JANITORIAL SERVICES AND FOR MAINTENANCE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $13,841,207.52 AND TO A THREE YEAR SERVICE CONTRACT IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $11,928,560.04 FOR THE PERIOD OCTOBER 14TH, 2026 THROUGH OCTOBER 13TH, 2029, WITH TWO ONE YEAR RENEWAL OPTIONS IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $8,190,944.40. AS DETAILED IN THE FISCAL INFORMATION SECTION FOR GROUPS ONE AND FOUR FOR JANITORIAL AND FLOOR MAINTENANCE SERVICES FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION. [03:10:04] UBM ENTERPRISE INC. NEXT MOST ADVANTAGEOUS PROPOSAL OF 29 NOT TO EXCEED $20,119,504.44. THIS IS YOUR ITEM, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. AND THIS ITEM WAS ALREADY BEFORE US BEFORE, AND WE ALREADY HAD SOME DEBATE ON IT. AND THE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU WERE ON A THIRD ROUND FOR A MINUTE WHEN WE HAD A MOTION TO DEFER IT TO LATER IN THE MEETING. SO WE'RE GOING TO PICK UP WHERE WE LEFT OFF AND THE FLOOR IS NOW YOURS. DID STAFF GET THEIR INFORMATION? YES. WHAT WAS YOUR FINDING? SO WE DID FIND ONE AWARD PREVIOUSLY AWARDED TO UBM. THAT CONTRACT WAS A JANITORIAL CONTRACT FOR A ONE YEAR TERM WITH ONE RENEWAL. AND FROM APRIL 9TH, 2014 TO APRIL 8TH, 2015 THE ONE YEAR CONTRACT WAS EXTENDED FOR 60 DAYS, BUT IT WAS NOT RENEWED. THERE WAS A NOTICE OF DEFAULT REGARDING STAFFING ISSUES IN AUGUST OF 2014. SO FOUR MONTHS INTO THEIR CONTRACT. HOWEVER, WE ASSUME THAT IT WAS CURED BECAUSE THERE WAS NO TERMINATION THAT PRECEDED MR. MAYOR. MY TIME HAS BEEN GOING WHILE SHE'S STILL TALKING. WE ADD BACK 20S IF YOU CAN. OKAY. SHE'S GOING TO LET YOU TALK FOR 20S BEFORE SHE STARTS IT BACK UP AGAIN. SHE CAN'T ADD IT BACK. ARE YOU FINISHED? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. OF COURSE, THEY HAD TWO CONTRACTS. THIS INFORMATION I RECEIVED AS WELL, THEY HAD TWO CONTRACTS WITH THE CITY THAT WENT UNFULFILLED AND WERE FIRED. CONTRACT WAS WITH MEMBERS FOR TEN YEARS. MIDWEST AND UBM UNDERBID THEM. ALL OF THE ACCOLADES THAT SOME OF THE MEMBERS WAS TALKING ABOUT CAME UNDER MEMBERS THAT HAD THE CONTRACT FIRST. 2014 JUNE 2014. JUNE 2015. SEVERE STAFFING SHORTAGE LED TO INCONSISTENT TRASH REMOVAL AT TERMINAL GATES ALONG WITH UNMAINTAINED AND UNDERSTAFFED RESTROOM RESOLUTION. DUE TO OVERWHELMING COMPLAINTS, TEMPORARY CLEANING STAFF WAS BROUGHT IN TO SUPPLEMENT COVERAGE UNTIL A REVISED SCOPE OF WORK WAS DRAFTED AND PUT OUT FOR BID. I WAS ALSO INFORMED IT WAS AT LOVE FIELD, TERMINATED ONCE BEFORE OUT OF LOVE FIELD IN 2014 2015. MY POINT IS THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING BUSINESS WITH INDIVIDUALS AND COMPANIES THAT HAVE FAILED US BEFORE IS YOUR TIME, AND THAT'S MY TIME. IS THAT IT? NO QUESTION. JUST A COMMENT. CHAIRMAN GRACEY RECOGNIZED FOR IT LOOKS LIKE I DON'T EVEN KNOW. ONE MINUTE FOR YOU TO TAKE ONE MINUTE. SO JUST TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF THAT. SO SO THIS COMPANY, THEY THEY DID HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY. THEY WERE OR WERE NOT TERMINATED, TO MY KNOWLEDGE AND TO OUR RECORDS. THEY WERE NOT TERMINATED. OKAY. THEY AND WE FOUND ONE CONTRACT. THEIR CONTRACT WAS TO EXPIRE ON APRIL 8TH, 2015, AND IT WAS EXTENDED FOR 60 DAYS THROUGH JUNE 30TH, 2015. SO IT WAS A ONE YEAR CONTRACT. YES. THAT'S AN ODD TERM. WHAT WHAT WAS THE CONDITION OF THAT? I, I DON'T KNOW, THAT WAS ABOUT 12 YEARS AGO. I WOULD ASSUME THAT MAYBE IT WAS A SHORT TERM CONTRACT WHILE THEY WENT OUT FOR A SOLICITATION, BUT I CANNOT TELL YOU WHAT THAT REASON WAS FOR. OKAY. BUT THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT. THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT. NOT LIKE ANOTHER SITUATION LIKE WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW WHERE THEY TOOK OVER AN EXISTING NOT FROM FROM OUR REVIEW OF THE COUNCIL ITEMS. IT WAS FOR ONE YEAR WITH ONE TERM, ONE YEAR RENEWAL. OKAY. AA WAS COMPLETED TO EXTEND IT FOR 60 DAYS. OKAY. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK GOING BACK FOR THIS ONE, THEY WILL GET AN ADDITIONAL FIVE YEARS LIKE THIS ORIGINAL CONTRACT WAS AWARDED LAST YEAR IN OCTOBER OF 25. BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE TAKING OVER, THEY'LL GET LIKE AS IF IT'S A NEW CONTRACT, THREE YEARS WITH TWO, TWO, ONE YEAR RENEWALS. SO THEY'RE NOT GETTING AN ADDITIONAL FIVE YEARS. THEY'RE GETTING A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT, WHICH IS WHAT WAS AWARDED PREVIOUSLY. BUT BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO THE NEXT VENDOR, WE HAVE TO GO BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THAT SOLICITATION. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S FIVE YEARS AT THE TWO YEAR RENEWAL OPTIONS ARE AT OUR DISCRETION. SO IF THE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT WANT TO RENEW AT THAT POINT, THEY CAN DO A SOLICITATION EARLIER, BUT THEY'RE NOT PICKING UP WHERE THIS EXISTING CONTRACT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING. IT'S A NEW CONTRACT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MISS CADENA. YOU RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES AGENDA ITEM 19. YOU'RE MUTED. CADENA. YOU'RE MUTED. THERE WE GO. DID YOU SAY THAT THEY HAVE A CURRENT CONTRACT AT DFW AIRPORT? [03:15:02] I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S CURRENT. THEY HAVE BEEN A VENDOR AT DALLAS FORT WORTH INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT. THEY'VE ALSO WORKED FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN DALLAS COUNTY AND THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, FORT WORTH, FORT WORTH. SO THEY'VE, THEY'VE WORKED AT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. YES. AND DO WE KNOW THE DATES OF WHEN THOSE CONTRACTS OCCURRED, IF THEY WERE RECENT OR. I DO NOT HAVE THEM IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I BELIEVE THE DALLAS COUNTY ONE IS CURRENTLY ONGOING. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST AGENDA ITEM 19? ALRIGHT. SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NAY. AYES HAVE IT. NOTED. AGENDA ITEM 25 AND 26 WERE PREVIOUSLY PREVIOUSLY DEFERRED BY COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 7.11 OF YOUR COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE. THEREFORE, YOUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM WILL BE AGENDA ITEM 27. [27. 26-2883A Authorize adoption of the 2027 City Calendar - Financing: No cost consideration to the City] JUNE ITEM 27 AUTHORIZE ADOPTION OF THE 2027 CITY CALENDAR. THIS IS YOUR ITEM, MR. MAYOR. LOOKING FOR A MOTION ON 27? YES. CHAIRMAN WEISS, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR A MOTION. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE 2027 CITY CALENDAR WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES AND COLLEAGUES, YOU'RE HOPEFULLY GETTING A COPY OF THIS MOTION. CANCEL THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE MEETING ON NOVEMBER 1ST. THE QUALITY OF LIFE ARTS CULTURE COMMITTEE MEETING ON DECEMBER 12TH. CITY COUNCIL BRIEFING ON JANUARY 6TH. CITY COUNCIL BRIEFING ON OCTOBER 6TH. MOVE THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA MEETING FROM OCTOBER 13TH TO OCTOBER 12TH. PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING FROM OCTOBER 12TH TO OCTOBER 19TH. PARKS, TRAILS AND THE ENVIRONMENT COMMITTEE MEETINGS FROM JANUARY 4TH TO JANUARY 11TH AND FROM NOVEMBER 1ST TO NOVEMBER 9TH. THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE MEETING FROM JANUARY 4TH TO JANUARY 7TH. TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE MEETING FROM DECEMBER 13TH TO DECEMBER 2ND. FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING FROM DECEMBER 14TH TO TO DECEMBER 2ND AT 9 A.M.. HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS SOLUTIONS COMMITTEE MEETING FROM DECEMBER 14TH TO DECEMBER 7TH AT 9 A.M. ADD THE FOLLOWING FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETINGS. JANUARY 11TH AT 11 A.M.. FEBRUARY 8TH AT 9 A.M.. MARCH 2ND AT 9 A.M.. APRIL 12TH AT 9 A.M.. MAY 10TH AT 9 A.M.. JUNE 14TH AT 9 A.M.. AUGUST 9TH. AUGUST 9TH AT 9 A.M.. SEPTEMBER 13TH AT 9 A.M.. OCTOBER 19TH AT 9 A.M. AND CORRECT THE DATE THAT PASSOVER BEGINS TO APRIL 21ST. SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. DISCUSSION. CHAIRMAN WEST, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. WE'RE ON AGENDA ITEM 27. THANK YOU. MAYOR. THIS ITEM COMES BEFORE US EVERY YEAR SETTING NEXT YEAR'S CITY CALENDAR. I WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUES ON FINANCE WHO HELPED GET SOME OF THESE CHANGES ADDED IN THERE. AND THEN I WANT TO SPECIFICALLY THANK CHAIRS MORENO AND COUNCIL, MEMBERS, BLACKMON AND BAZALDUA FOR BRINGING FORWARD QUITE A FEW SUGGESTED EDITS TO THE CALENDAR, ALONG WITH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE COMMITTEE CHAIRS WHO WORKED WITH MY STAFF TO MOVE SOME MEETINGS AROUND SO THAT WE'RE NOT CANCELING ALL OF THEM IN DECEMBER LIKE WE ALWAYS DO, AND MOVING THEM AND SHUFFLING AROUND OUR OUR CONFERENCES THAT, THAT WE ARE COMMITTED TO. WE'VE ALSO ADDED IN ONE OF THE BIG CHANGES IS WE'VE ADDED IN A SECOND FINANCE MEETING TO MOST OF THE MONTHS IN 2027 TO PICK UP THE, I KNOW I'M GETTING SOME SHAKE THEIR HEADS, PICK UP SOME OF THE THE, THE WORK FROM THE PENSION COMMITTEE, WHICH HAS BEEN SUNSETTED. AND THEN ALSO THE COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT EFFICIENCY, WHICH HAS BEEN SUNSETTED AS WELL AS FINANCE CHAIR, I DO NOT INTEND TO HOLD THAT EXTRA MEETING IF WE DON'T NEED IT, BUT WE WANTED TO HAVE IT SET SO YOU COULD PLAN ON YOUR, YOUR CALENDARS TO, TO JUST BE PREPARED FOR IT AND HAVE THAT SET. I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE CITY MANAGER AND HER TEAM FOR AGREEING WITH THE SUGGESTION FROM ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES HERE ON MOVING THE CITY OR CANCELING THE CITY COUNCIL BRIEFING ON JANUARY 6TH, WHICH IS ALWAYS, IT SEEMS TO ALWAYS GET CANCELED ANYWAY BECAUSE A LOT OF FOLKS ARE STILL TRAVELING. AND THEN FOR JAKE AND MY OFFICE FOR CATCHING THE PASSOVER DATE PROBLEM. SO LOTS OF CHANGES. I THINK IT'S FOR THE BETTER AND I HOPE I CAUGHT THEM ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS MENDELSOHN RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. I ACTUALLY AM GOING TO MOVE TO AMEND THE MOTION. THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING. OH WELL. AND IT'S TO MOVE THE JANUARY 20TH, I'M SORRY, APRIL 21ST 27 MEETING, [03:20:03] WHICH IS THE FIRST DAY OF PASSOVER TO THE BRIEFING DATE OF 420. SO IT WOULD BE TUESDAY. SO IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECOND. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR FOR FIVE MINUTES ON YOUR AMENDMENT NOW. THANK YOU. AN AMENDMENT TO ITEM 27. THANK YOU FOR ACKNOWLEDGING THE CORRECT DATE OF PASSOVER. FOR STAFF. IT MOVES. IT'S A LUNAR DATE, SO YOU CAN'T JUST USE WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR. BUT BECAUSE IT DOES BEGIN THAT DAY, IT'S VERY PROBLEMATIC TO HAVE THE BRIEFING WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO HOST A VERY LARGE EVENT WITH LOTS OF COOKING. SO THIS IS THE BIG MATZO BALL SOUP THING. AND SO IF WE COULD DO IT ON THE 20TH, THIS WOULD CERTAINLY ACCOMMODATE FOR ME AND COUNCIL MEMBER ROTH. AND WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT. MISS BLACKMON ON THE UNDERLYING MOTION OR THE AMENDMENT. OKAY. I'LL GET YOU BACK. I'LL GET YOU BACK. ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO GO ON FOR OR AGAINST THE AMENDMENT? MOVE IT TO THE 20TH BY MISS MENDELSOHN SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. THE AMENDMENT IS ADOPTED, AND WE'RE ON THE ITEM 27, AS AMENDED. MISS BLACKMON, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON THE AMENDED. THANK YOU. 27 SO THIS IS FOR THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE. BECAUSE NOW THAT WE HAVE NOVEMBER ELECTIONS WHY ARE WE STILL HAVING DECEMBER? LOOKS LIKE WE SQUEEZED IN ALL OF OUR DECEMBER COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A WHOLE NEW CITY. I'M JUST CURIOUS ON WHY YOU DID THAT, WHEN THERE'S GOING TO BE PLANNING FOR A A INAUGURATION AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF. AND I THINK IT'S EITHER BETTER TO TAKE IT OFF THAN TO, I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST WONDERING YOUR THOUGHT, I'M SURE BECAUSE I SENT YOU THAT MESSAGE AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS. NO, I MAY I ANSWER THE IF YOU WANT TO. THANK YOU. NO, AND I APPRECIATE WE INCORPORATED PRETTY MUCH ALL YOUR SUGGESTIONS. THE ONES IN DECEMBER. I CHECKED WITH MY STAFF, CHECKED WITH THE COMMITTEE CHAIRS. WE FELT GENERALLY UNANIMOUSLY THAT IT'S BEST TO HAVE THEM SET. WE CAN ALWAYS CANCEL THEM IN DECEMBER. BUT IF YOU NOTICED ON THE MOTION, EVERYTHING THAT IS SET FOR AFTER DECEMBER 9TH HAS BEEN MOVED FORWARD. I NOTICED THAT, YEAH. SO AFTER THE COUNCIL MEETING ON DECEMBER 8TH, THERE'S NOTHING LEFT ON THE CALENDAR EXCEPT FOR THE INAUGURATION. OKAY. YEAH. SO JUST KEEP IT ON AND THEN TAKE IT OFF, AND THAT'S EASIER TO CANCEL. OKAY, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN RIDLEY RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON AMENDED NUMBER 27. SO I HAVE A QUESTION WITH REGARD TO THE CHANGE OF THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE MEETING FROM DECEMBER THE 13TH TO THE SECOND, I UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE WAS A REQUEST TO MOVE IT, BUT I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO SCHEDULE IT ON THE SEVENTH. SO THAT'S A QUESTION TO MR. WEST. ALL RIGHT. I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE DISCONNECT HAPPENED ON THAT ONE. WE'VE GOT ON THE MOTION. HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS SOLUTIONS IS AT 9 A.M. ON THE SEVENTH. OH, THAT'S THE CONFLICT. YEAH. DO WE NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE TO GET YOU BACK TO THE SEVENTH? WELL, I WOULD PREFER THAT OVER THE SECOND. AND I DON'T CARE WHETHER IT'S IN THE MORNING OR THE AFTERNOON, BUT DO WE STILL HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY AT 1:00 ON THE SEVENTH? I'M GETTING A NOD THAT WE DO. YEAH. WOULD YOU WANT TO DO 3:00 ON THE SEVENTH? YEAH. LET'S DO THAT. DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT MOTION? SURE. SO I'LL MOVE THAT. WE AMEND THE ORIGINAL MOTION TO MOVE THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE MEETING FROM DECEMBER 13TH TO THE SEVENTH AT 3 P.M.. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. SO WE HAVE YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES ON YOUR AMENDMENT. CHAIRMAN RIDLEY YEAH, I'LL JUST RESTATE THAT. I'D LIKE MORE TIME BETWEEN THE NOVEMBER MEETING AND THE DECEMBER MEETING, WHICH WILL BE REDUCED TO TWO WEEKS, BASICALLY IF WE HAVE IT ON THE 2ND OF DECEMBER. SO THAT'S WHY I PREFER THAT IT BE MOVED TO THE SEVENTH FROM THE 13TH. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST CHAIRMAN RIDLEY'S AMENDMENT TO ITEM 27? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. WE'RE BACK ON AGENDA ITEM 27, AS AMENDED. NOW TWICE. ANYONE ELSE WILL SPEAK. GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE ON AGENDA ITEM 27, AS AMENDED. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. [28. 26-2916A Authorize a five-year service contract for aircraft landing fee collection and billing services for the Department of Aviation - Vector Airport Systems, LLC, most advantageous proposer of two - Estimated Annual Gross Revenue: Aviation Fund $9,776,565.00 (This item was deferred on August 25, 2026) *In alignment with Dallas Love Field Master Plan.] THANK YOU, MADAM SECRETARY. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AGENDA ITEM 28. AUTHORIZE A FIVE YEAR SERVICE CONTRACT FOR AIRCRAFT LANDING FEE COLLECTION AND BILLING SERVICES FOR THE [03:25:01] DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION VECTOR AIRPORT SYSTEMS, LLC. MOST ADVANTAGEOUS. PROPOSER TWO. THIS IS YOUR ITEM, MR. MAYOR. LOOKING FOR A MOTION ON 28. ALL RIGHT. I HEARD A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. NEXT ITEM. AGENDA ITEM 30. IS AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING AND ESTABLISHING THE CITY OF DALLAS, [30. 26-3045A An ordinance authorizing and establishing the City of Dallas, Texas, General Obligation Extendable Commercial Paper Program, Series A; under which will be issued from time to time short term obligations in an aggregate principal amount not to exceed $350,000,000 at any one time outstanding; making certain covenants and agreements in connection therewith; resolving other matters incident and related to the issuance, sale, and delivery of and security for Extendable Commercial Paper Notes issued under such program; approving an Offering Memorandum and its use by the Dealers; and resolving other matters related thereto - Not to exceed $855,000 - Financing: Debt Service Fund (subject to annual appropriations)] TEXAS. GENERAL OBLIGATION EXTENDABLE COMMERCIAL PAPER PROGRAM SERIES A UNDER WHICH WILL BE ISSUED FROM TIME TO TIME. SHORT TERM OBLIGATIONS IN AN AGGREGATE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $350 MILLION AT ANY ONE TIME OUTSTANDING, MAKING CERTAIN COVENANTS AND AGREEMENTS IN CONNECTION THEREWITH, RESOLVING OTHER MATTERS INCIDENT AND RELATED TO THE ISSUANCE, SALE AND DELIVERY OF AND SECURITY FOR EXTENDABLE COMMERCIAL PAPER NOTES ISSUED UNDER SUCH PROGRAM APPROVING AND OFFERING MEMORANDUM AND IT'S USED BY THE DEALERS AND RESOLVING OTHER MATTERS RELATED THERETO NOT TO EXCEED $855,000. THIS IS YOUR ITEM, MR. MAYOR. MISS MENDELSOHN, DO YOU HAVE A ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION? ALL RIGHT. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND, MISS MENDELSOHN FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. I'M WONDERING IF ANYONE CAN EXPLAIN WHY WE HAVE CO-COUNSEL AND CO FINANCIAL ADVISORS. A WHILE BACK WE USED TO DO THAT TO ACCOMMODATE OUR DIVERSITY GOALS, BUT SINCE THAT HAS BEEN RULED ILLEGAL. I'D LIKE TO HAVE STAFF EXPLAIN WHY WE HAVE CO-COUNSEL AND CO FINANCIAL ADVISORS. JACK IRELAND CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER SO ON PREVIOUS PROPOSAL FOR THE MULTIYEAR AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE. THEY SUBMITTED THEIR PROPOSAL AS A JOINT BETWEEN A STRATEGY AND HILLTOP. SO IT WAS SUBMITTED TO US AS A JOINT PROPOSAL FOR FOR OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS AND FOR OUR BOND COUNCIL. IT'S JUST A MULTIYEAR AGREEMENT, AND AT WHICH TIME WE RENEW, WE WOULD CHANGE OUR REQUIREMENTS. BUT THE REQUIREMENT AT THE TIME WAS WITH A DIVERSITY GOAL, CORRECT? YES. YES, MA'AM. AND NOW WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE THAT. CORRECT. SO BUT WE'VE ALREADY AWARDED THE CONTRACT. WE'VE NOT TAKEN ANY ACTION TO CANCEL A CONTRACT THAT HAS PREVIOUSLY BEEN AWARDED, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE CITY'S BENEFITING FROM THOSE SERVICES. WELL, I MEAN, IS THERE NOT ANY KIND OF LEGAL CONCERN ABOUT THIS BOND? COUNCIL DID NOT HAVE A DIVERSITY REQUIREMENT AT THE TIME. IT'S A NEWER CODE I WANT TO CORRECT. WE WE DON'T THINK THAT THE BOND COUNCIL HAD THAT REQUIREMENT. IT WAS A SOLICITATION OR AN AWARD THROUGH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. SO WE DO NOT THINK THAT APPLIED TO THAT PARTICULAR CONTRACT. AND I'D ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IF THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION ON THAT. WE AGREE WITH JACK'S OPINION. SO SO BOND COUNSEL WAS NOT SOLICITED WITH THAT REQUIREMENT OF ANY TYPE OF DIVERSITY. AND FOR FINANCIAL ADVISORS. THE TWO DIFFERENT VENDORS SUBMITTED A JOINT PROPOSAL, BUT PREVIOUSLY YOU WOULD REPORT TO US HOW THIS WAS MEETING DIVERSITY GOALS. I DON'T RECALL. OKAY. I DO. SO YOU ARE SPENDING 732,000 TO ISSUE WHAT'S THE FACE VALUE OF THE COMMERCIAL PAPER? 350 MILLION. OKAY. HI. GOOD AFTERNOON. FELICIA HERNANDEZ, STATE ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE CITY. THE VALUE OF THE COMMERCIAL PAPER IS $350 MILLION. OKAY. AND WHAT WOULD BE THE HESITATION ON JUST WAITING TO ISSUE IT FROM BOND DEBT AND NOT DO COMMERCIAL PAPER? WELL, IN THIS INSTANCE, COMMERCIAL PAPER IS USED AS AN INTERIM FINANCING TOOL THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND THE CITY CHARTER. SO WHILE WE'RE ABLE TO EXPEND AND WE DO ISSUE ANNUALLY FROM THE 2024 BOND PROGRAM, THIS PROVIDES INTERIM FINANCING. SO WE'RE ABLE TO AWARD CONTRACTS. AND IN THE EVENT, IF IT'S NEEDED, WE COULD ALSO ISSUE THE COMMERCIAL PAPER. AND SO ALLOWED TO, AS FELICIA'S INDICATING, THE COMMERCIAL PAPER PROGRAM JUST PROVIDES INTERIM FINANCING. UNTIL WE DO ISSUE BONDS, WE DO INTEND TO CONTINUE TO ISSUE THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS ANNUALLY. BUT IF THERE IS A TIMING NEED WHERE THE CITY NEEDS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PARTICULAR PROJECT. [03:30:02] THIS GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO THAT BEFORE WE HAVE ISSUED THE LONG TERM DEBT. THE CHANGE HERE IS A RENEWAL OF THE COMMERCIAL PAPER PROGRAM. AND BY IT BEING AN EXTENDABLE COMMERCIAL PAPER PROGRAM, WE'RE ABLE TO REALIZE SAVINGS THAT WE DID NOT HAVE ON OUR CURRENT COMMERCIAL PAPER PROGRAM. WE CONTINUE TO HAVE OUR COMMERCIAL PAPER PROGRAM THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION FOR THEIR CAPITAL PROGRAM, AS WELL AS THE DALLAS WATER UTILITY FOR THEIR CAPITAL PROGRAM. THIS PARTICULAR COMMERCIAL PAPER PROGRAM IS SPECIFIC TO THE 2024 GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS. AND WHAT PROJECTS DO YOU SEE FORTHCOMING BEFORE YOU ISSUE BONDS? SO I'M DO YOU HAVE A THIS JUST I DO NOT THERE IS NOT A LIST. WE HAVE OUR APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE CURRENT YEAR. WE HAVE A SCHEDULE FOR THE TWO REMAINING TRANCHES. WELL, AT THIS POINT, THREE REMAINING TRANCHES OF THE 2024 BOND PROGRAM. IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN, THAT TIMING NEEDED A PARTICULAR PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD. THIS GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO THAT. RIGHT NOW, WITH US CONTINUING TO ISSUE THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND PROGRAM ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. WE HAVE NOT UTILIZED THE COMMERCIAL PAPER AS MUCH AS DALLAS WATER UTILITY OR AVIATION HAVE, BUT IT DOES PROVIDE US WITH THE FLEXIBILITY IF NECESSARY. SO WHY DO YOU NEED $350 MILLION? IT COULD IT COULD BE A LOWER AMOUNT, BUT IT'S BEEN THE STANDARD AMOUNT THAT WE'VE USED SINCE WE'VE HAD THIS PROGRAM. IT JUST PROVIDES US WITH THE FLEXIBILITY. AND HOW MUCH DO YOU HAVE AVAILABLE UNDER THE EXISTING PROGRAM? UNDER THE WHAT? THE EXISTING PROGRAM? 350. SO YOU ALREADY HAVE 350 AVAILABLE AND WILL THAT TERM OUT? YES, YES. THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL PAPER PROGRAM EXPIRES AND THIS TAKES ITS PLACE. AND WHEN THE LAST ONE WAS ISSUED, HOW MUCH HAD BEEN SITTING THERE FROM THE PRIOR ONE. SO AGAIN, THE COMMERCIAL PAPER PROGRAM IS A, IF YOU WILL, A LINE OF CREDIT THAT ONCE YOU RETIRE THE COMMERCIAL PAPER WITH LONG TERM GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS, THEN IT WOULD GO BACK UP TO THE 350. YOU USE IT, YOU RETIRE IT, IT GOES BACK UP. I GUESS I GUESS THE ENTIRE POINT OF WHAT I'M SAYING, IF YOU WANT TO USE A CREDIT CARD ANALOGY, IS I DON'T LOVE GIVING MY TEENAGER A CREDIT CARD WITH A $50,000 LINE OF CREDIT. SO I MIGHT WANT TO GIVE THEM ONE WITH A $1,000 LINE OF CREDIT. AND I'M NOT SURE THAT I LOVE THE IDEA OF A $350 MILLION LINE OF CREDIT FOR THE CITY. WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT YOU KNOW ARE COMING UP, THAT POTENTIALLY YOU COULD JUST WAIT FOR THE BOND ISSUANCE. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT MY CONCERN IS. AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE, WHICH WE HAVE HAD. WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE 350 MILLION? AND IT DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE A RHYME OR REASON. IT'S NOT LIKE, WELL, WE'VE CALCULATED THIS AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ALWAYS HAVE, YOU KNOW, 30% MORE THAN BLAH, BLAH. SO THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A MATHEMATICAL REASON. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ACTUALLY QUESTIONING WHY SO MUCH. AND THIS IS ON TOP OF A LOT OF OTHER DEBT AND BORROWING THAT'S HAPPENING ACROSS THE CITY. UNDERSTOOD. AND YOU'RE CORRECT THAT THERE IS THERE WASN'T A MATHEMATICAL CALCULATION TO GET TO 350. IT WAS THE AMOUNT THAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD AUTHORIZATION FOR UNDER THE PREVIOUS PROGRAMS. AND WE'VE CONTINUED TO ESTABLISH THE PROGRAM AT THAT AMOUNT. EACH TIME THAT WE'VE RENEWED IT. AND SO THAT WAS THE REQUEST HERE. LET ME ASK, IS THERE IS THERE ANY CHANGE FROM. THE AGREEMENT TO SO WE COULD ALWAYS REDUCE THAT. SO I WOULD HAVE TO REALLY TALK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO DETERMINE IF THERE WOULD BE ANY CHANGE REQUIRED IN LOWERING THE AMOUNT, AS I THINK YOU'RE SUGGESTING. WELL, I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW IF THE FEES ARE A FLAT DOLLAR AMOUNT OR IF THEY'RE A DOLLAR AMOUNT PLUS A PERCENTAGE OF THE DOLLARS THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING. GO AHEAD. YES, MA'AM. THAT WOULD BE BOTH. SO THERE ARE SPECIFIC DOLLAR AMOUNTS LIKE FOR DEALER COUNCIL FEES. I BELIEVE THE FINANCIAL ADVISOR FEES OF FLAT RATE, ALTHOUGH IT'S SPLIT BETWEEN THE TWO CO FINANCIAL ADVISORS. AND THEN FOR COUNCIL FEES, IT'S BASED ON A PAR AMOUNT. I DIDN'T HEAR THE LAST BIT. I'M SORRY. FOR COUNCIL FEES FOR THE CITY'S COUNCIL BOND COUNCIL FEES. THAT'S BASED ON A PAR AMOUNT. SO IS A MOTION IN ORDER TO LOWER THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT. I'LL LET YOU KNOW. IT WOULD BE IN ORDER, WE BELIEVE. OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION THEN TO AUTHORIZE 100 MILLION. [03:35:03] SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. MEMBERS, THE MOTION NOW IS TO AMEND ITEM 30 TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF THE COMMERCIAL PAPER PROGRAM FROM 350,000,100 MILLION. GO AHEAD. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE. SO THE ONLY THING I'M GOING TO SAY IS THIS, THAT YOU HAD 350 MILLION BEFORE IT WAS NOT EXPENDED. AND IT SEEMS AN ADDED RISK AND AN UNNECESSARY RISK TO HAVE THAT LARGE AMOUNT AVAILABLE WITHOUT COMING BACK TO COUNCIL AND WITHOUT ANY KIND OF ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY 100 MILLION IS A LOT OF MONEY. I HOPE WE STILL THINK 100 MILLION IS A LOT OF MONEY IN THIS BUILDING. AND IF YOU NEED MORE THAN THAT, THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN. BUT I JUST I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH FINANCIAL CONCERNS IN THE CITY THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A SHORTER LEASH ON THIS. THANK YOU. SO THE, IF I MAY, THE ONLY RESPONSE I WOULD HAVE IS OUR ANNUAL APPROPRIATIONS EACH YEAR ON THE CAPITAL PROGRAM IS ANTICIPATED TO BE $250 MILLION PER YEAR. SO IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN THAT WE DID NOT ISSUE THE BONDS AND WE WERE SIGNIFICANTLY DELAYED ON ISSUING THE BONDS AN AMOUNT OF 100 COULD POTENTIALLY IMPACT THAT YEAR'S. SO 250 WOULD BE IF I WAS REALLY THINKING ABOUT THE AMOUNT MIGHT BE THE MORE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT. IT COVERS ONE YEAR OF APPROPRIATIONS. WE WILL IMPLEMENT WHATEVER COUNCIL AUTHORIZES. BUT YOU ARE GOING TO ISSUE BONDS THIS YEAR, CORRECT? AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE ARE WORKING ON IT. YES. WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT BUT AGAIN, THIS IS FOR THE FULL IMPLEMENTATION OF THE 24 BOND PROGRAM, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE NOT ONLY THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR 27, BUT FISCAL YEARS 28 AND 29. AND SO HAVING IT AT A HIGHER AMOUNT JUST GOES AHEAD AND ENSURES THAT WE HAVE THAT CAPACITY. AGAIN, WE WILL TAKE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION. OKAY. WELL, I MEAN, I THINK YOUR EXACT POINT IS THAT YOU HAVE $100 MILLION CUSHION, WHICH IS AGAIN, A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY, AND YOU'RE GOING TO ISSUE THE BONDS, WHICH WOULD ESSENTIALLY TRANSFER THAT FROM COMMERCIAL PAPER TO THAT DEBT. AND SO IF YOU CAN'T GET THE BONDS ISSUED, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT KIND OF A PROBLEM. AND I THINK $100 MILLION IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT CUSHION. AND 350 IS KIND OF AN ABSURD NUMBER. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S SORT OF SPLIT THE BABY BECAUSE 250 IS STILL WAY TOO MUCH. I MEAN, THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE YOUR BOND ISSUANCE, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU JUST WAS IT 275 THAT YOU THOUGHT WAS A TWO? 250 SO IT WAS IT WOULD ALLOW US TO IMPLEMENT ALL OF THE PROJECTS IN A PARTICULAR FISCAL YEAR WITH THE COMMERCIAL PAPER PROGRAM PENDING, THEN RETIREMENT ONCE THE ACTUAL GEO BONDS ARE ISSUED. YEAH, I WOULD THINK THAT IF YOU GET PAST $50 MILLION, THEN YOU NEED TO START WORKING ON THAT BOND ISSUANCE AND GET THAT BEFORE US SO THAT YOU DON'T GO PAST THE 100. BUT THANK YOU. JIM RIDLEY, QUESTION FOR YOU. ARE YOUR COMMENTS WERE YOU IN ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION, OR DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE MERITS OF THE AMENDMENT? NO. WHICH. WELL, IT'S ONE OR THE OTHER. OH, I'M ADDRESSING THE AMENDMENT. OKAY. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. CHAIRMAN RIDLEY. YEAH. I'M WAITING FOR JACK TO COME BACK TO THE MIC. SO, JACK, THE MY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE COMMERCIAL PAPER PROCEEDS CAN ONLY BE USED UNDER THIS PROGRAM FOR PROJECTS THAT WERE APPROVED IN THE 2024 BOND ELECTION. YES, SIR. THAT IS CORRECT. THIS COMMERCIAL PAPER PROGRAM IS SPECIFIC TO THE 2024 BOND PROGRAM. AND THOSE ARE SHORTER TERM INSTRUMENTS THAN BONDS. CORRECT. WHICH ARE 20 YEARS. YES, SIR. WE USE THE COMMERCIAL PAPER PROGRAM AS SHORT TERM FINANCING. SO BECAUSE THE CHARTER REQUIRES THAT WE HAVE CASH AVAILABLE FOR US TO AWARD ANY CONTRACTS, COMMERCIAL PAPER SATISFIES THAT REQUIREMENT. AND SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WE JUST APPROVED YOU JUST APPROVED A $250 MILLION CAPITAL PROGRAM FOR FISCAL YEAR 27. WE CANNOT ISSUE WE CANNOT AWARD ANY OF THOSE PROJECTS UNTIL WE ACTUALLY ISSUE THE BONDS. SO IF THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT OF THE BOND OFFICE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT, THEY WILL HAVE TO HOLD THAT PROJECT UNTIL WE'VE ISSUED THE BONDS BEFORE THEY CAN COME BEFORE COUNCIL TO AWARD THE PROJECT. SO A COMMERCIAL PAPER PROGRAM GIVES US THE LINE OF CREDIT, IF YOU WILL, TO BE ABLE TO AWARD PROJECTS AND MOVE THEM FORWARD PENDING THE ISSUANCE OF THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS. $350 MILLION PROVIDES US WITH THE CAPACITY TO DO THAT, [03:40:01] NOT JUST FOR. AND REMEMBER, THE BOND PROGRAM IS MULTI-YEAR FUNDS. SO I TALKED ABOUT THAT. THERE'S $250 MILLION OF NEW APPROPRIATIONS. THERE'S ALSO PRIOR APPROPRIATIONS AS WELL. AND SO THE $350 MILLION THAT HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED IS THE AMOUNT THAT WE'VE USED PREVIOUSLY FOR THIS PROGRAM. AND SINCE WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH TWO YEARS OF THE 2024 BOND PROGRAM, HOW MUCH OF THAT $350 MILLION IN THE COMMERCIAL PAPER PROGRAM HAVE BEEN UTILIZED TO FUND CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS BEFORE THE BONDS WERE SOLD. THERE IS NO COMMERCIAL PAPER CURRENTLY OUTSTANDING. HAS ANY EVER BEEN ISSUED UNDER THE 2024 BOND PROGRAM? UNDER 2024, WE HAVE NOT UTILIZED THE PROGRAM IN THAT WAY. WE DID UTILIZE THE PROGRAM FOR THE 21 YEAR 2017 BONDS, OKAY, BUT NONE HAS BEEN ISSUED FOR THE 2024 BOND. YES, SIR, THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. AND GIVEN THAT THOSE ARE SHORTER TERM INSTRUMENTS, WHAT'S THEIR TYPICAL DURATION? LESS THAN LESS THAN A YEAR. BECAUSE TYPICALLY WE WE'VE CONTINUED TO HAVE OUR GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND SALES ANNUALLY. SO NOTHING IS LASTING LONGER THAN A YEAR FOR SURE. BUT THIS PROGRAM IS A MULTIYEAR PROGRAM. YES, SIR. FOR HOW LONG? THREE. THREE YEARS. OKAY. AND IT WOULD BE EASY FOR THIS COUNCIL IF YOU WERE AUTHORIZED ONLY TO ISSUE $100 MILLION IN COMMERCIAL PAPER. IF YOU HAD AN ADDITIONAL NEEDS BEFORE YOU ISSUED BONDS, IT WOULD BE EASY FOR YOU TO COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND REQUEST ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL PAPER AUTHORIZATION, WOULDN'T IT? IT WOULD REQUIRE AN AMENDMENT WITH COUNCIL APPROVAL. I COULD NOT DO IT WITHOUT COUNCIL. OH, I UNDERSTAND YOU'D HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL. YES, SIR. IT WOULD REQUIRE AMENDMENTS. ALL RIGHT. AND COMPARE THE INTEREST RATES ON COMMERCIAL PAPER. THE SHORT TERM PAPER VERSUS THE LONGER TERM BONDS. TYPICALLY, COMMERCIAL PAPER HAS SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS IN RATES IN THE MARKET. RIGHT NOW THE MARKET'S OBVIOUSLY SHIFTING QUITE A BIT. I'M NOT A FINANCIAL ADVISER TO THE CITY, BUT CURRENTLY WE DO NOT SEE A BENEFIT TO ISSUE COMMERCIAL PAPER ON THE GEO SIDE IF IT'S NOT FOR AN IMMEDIATE CASH NEED. BUT IT HAS BEEN PRUDENT FOR WATER UTILITIES. AND AVIATION, ALTHOUGH THEY DON'T HAVE ANY OUTSTANDING RIGHT NOW. SO TYPICALLY STILL IT'S MORE FAVORABLE THAN LONG TERM DEBT, ALTHOUGH IT'S GETTING QUITE CLOSE WITH THE MARKET CHANGES. OKAY. WELL, I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS AMENDMENT BECAUSE I THINK THE 350 MILLION FIGURE WAS SIMPLY ARBITRARY. WE HAVEN'T UTILIZED ANY OF THAT AUTHORIZATION UNDER THE 2024 BOND PROGRAM. SO I THINK IT'S JUST PRUDENT TO REDUCE THAT TO 100 MILLION, WHICH SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR ANY ANTICIPATED NEEDS. ON THE AMENDMENT OR THE UNDERLYING I HAVE AN AMENDMENT. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. I MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE AMOUNT TO 250 MILLION FROM THE CURRENT AMOUNT. IS THAT APPROPRIATE? IS A SUBSTITUTE QUESTION, NOT A SUBSTITUTE MOTION. THANK YOU. SO IT'S AN ORDER. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DEAL WITH THIS MOST EFFICIENTLY. WE'RE JUST THROWING OUT DIFFERENT NUMBERS NOW. ALL THAT'S ALL THESE AMENDMENTS ARE DOING. SO YOUR AMENDMENT IF WE GET A SECOND, IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT? WAS THERE A SECOND? YEAH. CHAIRWOMAN WILLS OKAY, SO YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES ON YOUR AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE NUMBER TO 250 MILLION. GO AHEAD. RIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND SORRY FOR THE BAD AMENDMENT THERE. BUT THE SO I, I HEARD YOU SAY, JACK, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF COULD WORK WITH 250 MILLION STILL STAY ON SCHEDULE TO ROLL OUT THE 2024 BOND PROGRAM IN 2027. SO THIS ADOPTS THE SPIRIT OF REINING IN THE CREDIT CARD FROM 350 MILLION, BUT STILL ALLOWS STAFF THE FLEXIBILITY WHICH I KNOW WE ALL HOPE TO SEE THE 2024 BOND PROGRAM ROLL OUT. THAT'S MY INTENT WITH THIS AMOUNT. I WANTED TO ASK SOMEONE FROM THE BOND OFFICE OR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER TO COME UP HERE TO JUST RELAY SOME OF THE BOND PROGRAMS THAT WILL BE COMING OUT AS PART OF THIS ISSUANCE. GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCILMEMBER WEST. I APOLOGIZE, I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF SOMETHING ELSE. [03:45:05] COULD YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? RIGHT. SO THIS ITEM HAS TO DO WITH THE 2024 BOND AND THE USAGE OF THOSE BOND FUNDS IN 2027. SO WHAT ARE SOME OF THE MAJOR BOND PROJECTS THAT WE CAN EXPECT TO KICK OFF IN 2027, WHICH WE NEED THE FUNDING CAPACITY IN ORDER TO KICK OFF? YEAH. WELL AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. AS YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROPOSITIONS IN THE 2024 BOND PROGRAM IS OUR STREET PROGRAM, AND OUR CITY MANAGER HAS COMMITTED TO 800 LANE MILES OF STREET WORK IN USING SOME OF THAT FUNDING. SO THAT'S CERTAINLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECES OF OF WORK THAT WE'LL BE KICKING OFF IN 2026. EXCUSE ME, IN 2027. THE ADDITIONAL PROPOSITIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH ARE, OF COURSE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT. THAT IS THE SECOND LARGEST PROPOSITION IN 2024. I'M BLANKING ON A SPECIFIC PROJECT TO, TO IDENTIFY, BUT AGAIN, AS YOU KNOW, WE COME TO YOUR FINANCE COMMITTEE AND WE WORK WITH THE TEAMS ON THEIR FORECASTS OF HOW THEY'RE GOING TO WORK WITH USING THE DOLLAR. SO THOSE ARE REALLY THE TWO BIGGEST PROPOSITIONS THAT WE'LL BE USING FOR, FOR THIS KIND OF FUNDING. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN GRACEY ON THE AMENDMENT. YES. OKAY. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. YEAH. AND I'M TRYING TO DECIDE IF I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT OR NOT, JACK. BUT I WAS I WAS REALLY TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING FOR THE COMMERCIAL PAPER WHETHER WE USE IT. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE DIDN'T USE IT ON 2024, BUT ON THE 2017, WHAT WAS THE WHAT DID WE USE? ALL OF IT? NO, SIR, I DON'T BELIEVE WE DID. I DON'T REMEMBER THE AMOUNTS, BUT I DON'T RECALL A YEAR THAT WE RETIRED THE FULL AMOUNT OF 350. AND, AND, AND AGAIN, WE, WE USE IT TO AWARD THE CONTRACTS. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY DRAWN DOWN THE MONEY AGAINST IT. AND IT'S ONLY ONCE YOU'VE DRAWN DOWN THE MONEY AGAINST THE THAT YOU HAVE TO RETIRE IT. CORRECT. SO WE WHILE WE MAY HAVE USED IT MORE FOR THE PURPOSE OF AWARDING CONTRACTS, THE ACTUAL DRAW DOWN THAT WE HAD TO RETIRE WOULD HAVE BEEN LESS THAN THE 350. GOT IT. SO I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. AND THERE'S NEVER BEEN A TIME, AND I GUESS I MAY BE USING THIS WHERE WE'VE ABUSED THE ENTIRE OR I'M, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ABUSE, BUT WE'VE USED THE ENTIRE 350. THERE'S NEVER BEEN A TIME WHERE WE'VE USED THAT ENTIRE THAT YOU CAN RECALL. I DO NOT RECALL THAT. OKAY. BUT IT'S IT'S THERE BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW. IS THAT CORRECT? IT IS A TOOL THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US TO USE IF THERE'S A NEED TO KEEP THE PROJECTS MOVING. AND WHILE MR. RASTOGI READ OFF SOME OF THE ANTICIPATED PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING UP AND BEING ANTICIPATED IN 2027, THERE IS A CHANCE THAT SOMETHING ELSE COULD POP UP WHERE THERE'S A NEED. SO IF IN THE EVENT IF WE DID THE 100 MILLION AND THERE'S ANOTHER NEED THAT CAME UP, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS TO INCREASE THE. SO I MAY MISS IT ON THE FIRST TRY, BUT I'LL, I'LL TRY ON THIS. SO THERE WOULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY, EVEN THOUGH WE ONLY HAVE $250 MILLION OF NEW APPROPRIATIONS THIS YEAR, IF THERE WAS A NEED THAT CAME UP THAT YOU FOR SOME REASON, WE NEEDED TO TAKE SOME PROJECTS FROM FISCAL YEAR 28 OR FISCAL YEAR 29 AND ACCELERATE THOSE. AND WE HAVEN'T SOLD THE BONDS FOR THAT YET. WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCELERATE THOSE PROJECTS IF THERE WAS AN OPERATIONAL NEED TO DO THAT, OR THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY OF SOME BECAUSE WE SELL THE BONDS BY PROPOSITION. AND SO SOME PROPOSITIONS MAY BE GOING SLOWER AND OTHER PROPOSITIONS GOING FASTER. SO WE MAY NEED TO CHANGE THE USE AND USE THE COMMERCIAL PAPER TO KEEP THE STREETS PROPOSITION GOING, WHILE ANOTHER BOND PROPOSITION HAS SLOWED DOWN. SO THERE'S MULTIPLE WAYS THAT IT MAY BE USED THERE. SO IT'S NOT JUST FOR THE $250 MILLION OF APPROPRIATIONS, BUT IT GIVES US OTHER FLEXIBILITY IN TRYING TO MANAGE IT. WHEN WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF JUST GOING OUT AND RUNNING UP THE DEBT. RIGHT. OKAY. IT IS VERY MUCH MY INTEREST TO HAVE TOOLS AVAILABLE TO US TO KEEP THE INTEREST COST AS LOW AS THEY CAN, TO KEEP THE PROJECTS MOVING AS I CAN TO FACILITATE BOND ISSUANCE WHEN I CAN. AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS COME TOGETHER. AND THIS TOOL ALLOWS US TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY IF DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES OCCUR. AND THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION. AND THAT'S WHY I'M NOT GOING TO BE SUPPORTING EITHER ONE OF THESE AMENDMENTS, [03:50:04] BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN ABUSED IN THE PAST. IT'S THERE IN CASE WE NEED IT. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT WE CAN CONTINUE THE WORK. AGAIN, WE HAVE ALL OF OUR STREETS AND ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE PROPOSITIONS WITHIN HERE THAT WE WANT TO KEEP GOING BECAUSE OUR RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO CALL. THIS GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY TO KEEP THOSE THINGS GOING. SO AND AGAIN, THE LAST QUESTION DOES THIS, WHETHER WE GET 350 MILLION OR 100 MILLION, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT OUR RATING AND ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS AND HOW BANKS AND THE FOLKS ARE VIEWING US? SURE. SO IN THIS CASE, THE RATING AGENCIES HAVE AFFIRMED THE CITY'S RATING BASED ON THIS PROGRAM. SO THEY DON'T DEEM IT IMPACTFUL, WHETHER IT'S A SMALLER OR LARGER AMOUNT. THEY'RE ALSO AWARE OF OUR INTENTION TO USE THIS AS AN AUTHORIZATION TOOL. YEAH. SO I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S MUCH OF AN IMPACT THERE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AM I MISSING ANYONE ONLINE OR ANYWHERE ELSE ON THE AMENDMENT BY CHAIRMAN WEST? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NO. SOUNDS LIKE THE NOS PREVAIL ON THAT ONE. SO I'M GOING TO SAY THAT ONE FAILED. AND WE'RE BACK TO THE AMENDMENT BY MISS MENDELSOHN TO GO TO 100 MILLION. ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THAT? ALRIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NAY. SOUNDS LIKE THE NAYS HAVE THAT ONE TOO. SO WE'RE BACK ON THE UNDERLYING. YOU WANT YOU WANT TO WHERE ARE YOU GOING? TO ASK FOR A RECORD OR ANYTHING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL GO BACK TO AGENDA ITEM 30 AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED. ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST IT? RECORD VOTE PLEASE. RECORD VOTE HAS BEEN REQUESTED. MADAM SECRETARY. GO AHEAD AND CALL THE ROLL. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE SAY YES IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR. NO. IF YOU OPPOSE COUNCILMEMBER WEST. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO. YES. COUNCILMEMBER GRACEY. YES. COUNCILMEMBER CADENA. YES. COUNCILMEMBER BAZALDUA IS ABSENT WHEN VOTE TAKEN. COUNCILMEMBER BLAIR YES. COUNCILMEMBER BLACKMON. YES. COUNCILMEMBER STEWART. YES. COUNCILMEMBER ROTH. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER. MENDELSOHN. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY. NO. DEPUTY MAYOR. PRO TEM JOHNSON. YES. MAYOR PRO TEM. RESENDEZ. YES. MAYOR JOHNSON. YES. WITH 11 VOTING IN FAVOR, THREE OPPOSED. ONE ABSENT VOTE TAKEN. THE ITEM PASSES, MR. MAYOR. OKAY, LET'S KEEP GOING. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WE WILL NOW MOVE TO YOUR ZONING AND PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA. MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS WOULD LIKE TO BE RECOGNIZED ON ITEM Z ONE, JOE WILSON. THANK YOU. I MOVE TO DEFER ITEM Z ONE UNTIL NOVEMBER 10TH, 2026. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? YES, I'M TALKING TO THE MOVER FIRST. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. OKAY. THANK YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE THE FLOOR FOR FIVE MINUTES? SURE. YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S FIVE MINUTES. JUST COLLEAGUES. NEGOTIATIONS ARE NOT COMPLETE ON THIS PROJECT, AND THE LEAST OF WHICH IS A GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT. YOU'VE GOT A COMMUNICATION LAST NIGHT FROM THE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT NEIGHBORS ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL TIME TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS AND PROTECTIONS, AND THEY SUPPORT THIS DEFERRAL. SO I ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. MISS MENDELSOHN RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON THE MOTION TO DEFER. THANK YOU. I HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE BY A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN DISTRICT 13 THAT THEY WERE CALLED BY THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE AND TOLD THAT THEY WERE TAKEN OFF THE LIST TO SPEAK. DID THAT HAPPEN? YES. THAT THE ITEM WOULD BE DEFERRED. BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THE ITEM WOULD BE DEFERRED. THAT'S TO THE COUNCIL TO DECIDE. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW A CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE CAN CALL RESIDENTS AND SAY AN ITEM WOULD BE DEFERRED WHEN WE HAD NOT VOTED ON THAT. WE DO CALL THE OFFICE. WE DO WHEN THERE'S AN ITEM, WHEN WE'RE. WHEN OUR OFFICE IS NOTIFIED THAT AN ITEM MAY BE DEFERRED, WE DO NOTIFY RESIDENTS, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THAT SHE WOULD ACTUALLY FOLLOW THROUGH AND MAKE THAT MOTION, NUMBER ONE. IT'S ALSO NUMBER TWO THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD AGREE. IT'S ALSO STATED IN OUR IN OUR COMMENTS, IT STATED, I'M SORRY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. WE CONTACT THE CITIZEN WHEN WE ARE MADE AWARE THAT AN ITEM IS GOING TO BE DEFERRED, THAT THE ITEM IS GOING TO BE DEFERRED OR IT MAY NOT. WE ALSO. WE STATE THAT AS WELL. OKAY, WELL, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE TOLD IT MAY OR MAY NOT. I THINK THEY WERE TOLD IT WOULD BE DEFERRED. AND THAT IS NOT A SINGLE COUNCIL MEMBER'S DECISION. THAT IS A DECISION OF THE BODY. AND THIS PRACTICE SEEMS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO ME. I MEAN, WHAT IF THAT DIDN'T GET MADE? THE COUNCIL MEMBER FELL ILL. NO. POINT OF ORDER. MAYOR STATE YOUR STATE. YOUR POINT OF ORDER. [03:55:02] I BELIEVE THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS A DEFERRAL, AND IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT THE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ARE LEADING TO THE DEBATE. UNDERSTAND WHY WE DON'T HAVE SPEAKERS ON THIS. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND ALLOW IT. GO AHEAD. ARE YOU GOING TO ANSWER HER QUESTION? BECAUSE WE WERE NOTIFIED THAT THE ITEM IS BEING DEFERRED. AND ALSO IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING. SO IF THE ITEM IS DEFERRED, WE CAN STILL HEAR SPEAKERS. I'M SORRY. OKAY. WE NOTIFIED THAT THAT WHEN AN ITEM IS DEFERRED, THIS ISN'T ANYTHING SINGLE FOR THIS ITEM. WHEN WE WHEN WE ARE MADE AWARE THAT AN ITEM IS BEING DEFERRED, WE NOTIFY CITIZENS THAT AN ITEM IS COUNCIL MEMBER IS DEFERRING AN ITEM THAT IT MAY OR MAY NOT. IN CASE THEY ARE, IT'S FOR THEIR. IN CASE THEY ARE COMING TO THE COUNCIL MEETING AND IF THE ITEM IS DEFERRED. SO THIS ISN'T ANYTHING. OTHER ITEMS. YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'VE CALLED EVERYBODY ELSE. THERE'S NOBODY ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK WHEN AN ITEM IS WHEN. WHEN WE ARE NOTIFIED THAT AN ITEM COUNCIL MEMBER IS GOING TO DEFER AN ITEM, WE DO MAKE THE THE INDIVIDUALS AWARE THAT STANDARD PRACTICE. YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS. YES. I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT. I'VE NEVER HAD A RESIDENT OF DALLAS TELL ME. THEY GOT A CALL FROM THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE SAYING, DON'T COME. THE ITEMS BEING DEFERRED, AND IT'S AFFIRMATIVELY SAID TO THEM, NOT LIKE IT MIGHT GET DEFERRED BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN NOTIFIED LIKE WE'VE BEEN TOLD IT'S DEFERRED AND LIKE WE SHOULD MAYBE CHANGE OUR RULES BECAUSE IF IT'S JUST A COUNCIL MEMBER WANTS TO DEFER AND WE'RE ALL GOING TO GO ALONG EVERY TIME, WHICH, BY THE WAY, I TRY TO DO THAT ONCE AND Y'ALL DID NOT GO ALONG, JUST SO YOU KNOW. THEN WHY DON'T WE JUST CHANGE THE RULE AND THEN YOU CAN AFFIRMATIVELY SAY IT, BUT THIS IS NOT AFFIRMATIVELY DONE. AND I'M VERY SURPRISED THAT AT WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE. AND I FEEL LIKE THERE IS SPECIAL TREATMENT AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. SO I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT THIS IS WHAT IS YOUR STANDARD PRACTICE, BUT I'M NOT SURE THE SAME MESSAGE IS BEING GIVEN THAT IT'S A FIRM. SO I WOULD LIKE TO QUESTION YOU SAY IT'S ABOUT A NEIGHBORHOOD AGREEMENT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED TO BE CHANGED? WE DON'T REMEMBER. WE YOU ADDRESSED ME. ASK IF YOU WANT TO RESPOND, BUT YOU DON'T ADDRESS YOUR COLLEAGUES DIRECTLY. YOU KNOW THAT. THANK YOU. SO THERE WAS REASON GIVEN MAYOR. THANK YOU. ON WHY THE DEFERRAL WAS FOR A GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT. BUT IN THE NEWSPAPER THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC. SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF THAT IS STILL PART OF IT. AND THEN ALSO IF HEIGHT IS STILL PART OF IT OR IF THOSE ITEMS ARE OFF THE TABLE. WELL, I MEAN, I'M SAYING IF YOU WANT THAT QUESTION ANSWERED BY HER, I'M NOT GOING TO. WELL, IF YOU KNOW THE ANSWER, THAT WOULD BE LOVELY. AND I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU NOT. BUT I AND I DON'T. THEN PERHAPS THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER. OR A STAFF PERSON. YOUR CHOICE, BUT I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW. OKAY. DO YOU CARE TO RESPOND IN A COUNTS AGAINST YOUR TIME, JUST SO YOU KNOW. WELL, WHEN I SPOKE, I SAID NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH IS THE GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT. SO NEGOTIATIONS ARE OPEN AND TRAFFIC IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. BUT THIS GIVES US A PERIOD OF ALMOST A MONTH TO CONTINUE NEGOTIATIONS. OKAY. WELL, FROM THE NEWSPAPER WHERE I GOT A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION MAYOR, ALL I SAW WAS INFORMATION ABOUT TRAFFIC, WHICH IS OVERWHELMINGLY NOT WHAT I'VE RECEIVED IN EMAILS OR FROM PERSONAL COMMUNICATIONS. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS HAPPEN ABOUT HEIGHT, WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE PREVAILING ISSUE IN MY OWN ASSESSMENT. AND I WOULD HOPE THAT THAT WOULD BE THE FOCUS OF CONVERSATIONS. THE TRAFFIC ITEMS BEING CONSIDERED, I DON'T THINK ARE VERY SIGNIFICANT TO THIS PROJECT. SO WITH THAT, I'M FINE WITH DOING THE DEFERRAL. I HOPE THAT WE WILL GET A CHANCE TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE ONCE AGAIN COME DOWN HERE, AND I HOPE THAT THERE'S CAREFUL CONSIDERATION TO ALL THE THINGS BEING SAID, NOT JUST BY ME, BUT BY THAT DISTRICT. THANK YOU. MR. ROTH IS RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON THE MOTION TO DEFER. THANK YOU. I WANTED TO SUPPORT THE MOTION TO DEFER. I THINK THIS GIVES EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE IN SOME CONTINUING DISCUSSION, NOT ONLY ON THE TRAFFIC, BUT ALSO ON OTHER ITEMS. I THINK THIS IS A POSITIVE APPROACH TO STIMULATE MORE NEIGHBORHOOD AND DEVELOPMENT AND CITY INVOLVEMENT IN [04:00:05] THE. IN THE PROGRESS AND SOLUTION FOR THIS CASE, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL MY COLLEAGUES TO PLEASE, PLEASE VOTE FOR THE DEFERRAL AND ALLOW US TO CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS WITH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN WEST RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON THE MOTION TO DEFER. THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND I WANT TO SECOND WHAT MR. ROTH SAID AND ALSO APPRECIATE MY COLLEAGUE YOU KNOW, WANTING TO CONTINUE TO TRY TO WORK SOMETHING OUT HERE. I THINK YOU KNOW, I MET WITH A FEW NEIGHBORS THIS WEEK AND WAS AM CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC THAT THERE COULD BE SOME MIDDLE GROUND HERE THAT COULD BE FOUND. IT SEEMS LIKE IF YOU JUST LOOK IN THE MEDIA, THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE, BUT I FEEL LIKE THERE ARE REASONABLE HEADS IN THIS ROOM TODAY. AND AND MY HOPE IS THAT WE CAN GET TO A RESOLUTION. THANK YOU. MR. BAZALDUA RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON THE MOTION TO DEFER. THANK YOU MAYOR. I WILL ALSO BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION TO DEFER. I WANT TO THANK COUNCILMEMBER WILLIS FOR THE DEFERRAL AND BEING CONSCIOUS OF WHERE THE CONTENTION LIES WITHIN YOUR YOUR DISTRICT. I HAVE ALSO MET WITH THE GROUP AND WITH NEIGHBORS AND PLAN ON MEETING ON SITE. IN FACT, I WAS ABLE TO PUT THAT OFF. SINCE I AM HOME WITH THE FLU AND WASN'T ABLE TO GO YESTERDAY AND MEET WITH THEM ON SITE AT PRESTON ROYAL. SO THERE'S STILL ADVOCACY AND THERE'S STILL CONCERNS THAT ARE BEING FLESHED OUT AND JUST SEEING THE PROGRESS FROM WHERE THE FIRST TIME THIS CAME IN FRONT OF US AFTER CPC. AND WHAT HAS BEEN DONE HAS JUST SHOWN THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND TRYING TO FIND MIDDLE GROUND. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS ZONING CASE PROCESSES ARE ALL ABOUT. SO THE DEFERRAL MAKES TOTAL SENSE AND I AM FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF IT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. IS THERE ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION TO DEFER Z1Z1 SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ITEMS DEFERRED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WE WILL MOVE AHEAD ON YOUR AGENDA AND MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM THREE. [PH3. 26-3174A A public hearing to receive comments and to approve a resolution granting a request to consider the Ceremonial Street Name request for “Pettis Norman” as a street topper on Houston Street Bridge (Houston Street Viaduct) between Zang Boulevard and Young Street - STNAME-26-000007 - Not to exceed $130.00 - Financing: General Fund *In alignment with ForwardDallas.] ITEM THREE IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE COMMENTS AND TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION GRANTING A REQUEST TO CONSIDER THE CEREMONIAL STREET NAME REQUEST FOR PETTIS NORMAN AS A STREET TOPPER ON HOUSTON STREET BRIDGE, HOUSTON STREET VIADUCT BETWEEN ZANE BOULEVARD AND YONGE STREET, NOT TO EXCEED $130. YOU DO HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, WILLIS JOHNSON. THIS IS. MR. MAYOR, I JUST WANTED TO PUT ON THE RECORD THAT WE DID NOTIFY THE PROPERTY OWNERS ABUTTING THE AREA OF REQUEST, AND WE RECEIVED ZERO REPLIES IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLIES IN OPPOSITION. ARE THERE ANY INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM? I SEE SEVERAL HANDS FOR THOSE THAT WANT TO SPEAK. WILL YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD AND HAVE A SEAT IN THE CENTER SECTION? THE FIRST THREE ROWS AND ANYONE CAN COME TO THE TO THE PODIUM. IS MR. JOHNSON NOT PRESENT? DID YOU. I DIDN'T HEAR YOU SAY. YEAH. MR. WILLIS JOHNSON IS NOT PRESENT. ANY INDIVIDUAL CAN COME TO THE PODIUM AND BEGIN. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU MAY BEGIN. MAYOR ERIC JOHNSON, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND ALL GATHERED. I AM SHIRLEY EISEN NEWSOM, A DALLAS RESIDENT RESIDING AT 6430 CEDAR HOLLOW DRIVE. I COME BEFORE YOU THIS 14TH DAY OF OCTOBER TO IMPLORE YOU TO VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE FOR THE NAME CHANGE FOR THE HOUSTON STREET BRIDGE TO THE PETTIS NORMAN BRIDGE. I KNEW PETTIS FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS AND FIRST MET HIM THROUGH DOCTOR YVONNE EWELL. WHEN PETTIS ASKED HER TO FIND SOMETHING FOR HIM TO DO TO CONTRIBUTE IN THE AREA OF EDUCATION, HE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO HELP KIDS SUCCEED AND FOR THE SCHOOLS AND SCHOOL DISTRICT TO ENSURE KIDS WERE SUCCEEDING. I WAS AT THAT TIME PRINCIPAL OF HARRY STONE MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND DOCTOR, YOU'LL INTRODUCE ME TO PETTIS, AND HE TOLD ME OF HIS INTEREST. I INVITED HIM TO JOIN THE SCHOOL'S COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND HE DID SO, AND THE REST IS HISTORY. PARIS INVESTED HIMSELF INTO THE WORK OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND INTO THE KIDS OF THE SCHOOL. HE INVOLVED OTHERS IN BECOMING ADVOCATES, ACTIVE ADVOCATES FOR IMPROVING THE EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR KIDS. [04:05:06] WHILE HE SERVED ON THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE HARRY STONE MIDDLE SCHOOL. WITHIN TWO YEARS, HARRY STONE WAS ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE SUNDAY EDITION OF THE DALLAS TIMES HERALD, BEING HERALDED FOR THE SIGNIFICANT GAINS, AS NOTED BY THE TEXAS EDUCATION AGENCY. THIS IS BUT ONE EXAMPLE OF THE IMPACT PETTIS NORMAN HAD IN THE LIVES OF DALLAS CITIZENS AND THE IMPACT ON THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN DALLAS. HIS RESUME OF SERVICE FROM THE ETHNIC COMMITTEE TO THE NUMEROUS BOARDS AND NUMEROUS COMMITTEES HE HAS SERVED ON FOR THE BETTERMENT OF DALLAS IS TESTIMONY TO HIS BRIDGE BUILDING IN DALLAS. FAST FORWARD TO TODAY. YOU, THE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE HONOR TO A MOST HONORABLE MAN AND TO PROVIDE ALL OF OUR CITIZENS AND OUR CHILDREN AS AN EXAMPLE OF OUTSTANDING CITIZENSHIP HERE IN DALLAS. TODAY I AM IMPLORING MY COUNCIL PERSON, CARA MENDELSOHN, AND THE REST OF YOU TO VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE TO NAME THE HOUSTON STREET BRIDGE AS THE PETTUS BRIDGE. HIS LEGACY IS WORTH LIFTING UP FOR ALL OF US TO REMEMBER AS WE WORK TO CONTINUE TO BUILD BRIDGES ACROSS THE MANY DIVIDES IN DALLAS, TEXAS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. SORRY. SORRY. HELLO. MY NAME IS TOM LANDRY, JUNIOR RESIDENT OF DALLAS COUNTY. AND I WANT TO THANK MAYOR JOHNSON AND THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MY REALLY GOOD AND LONG TIME FRIEND, PETTIS NORMAN. I SPOKE IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THIS PROBABLY A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. AND WHEN I DID, I TOLD HER ABOUT HOW I MET PETTIS. I WAS A 12 YEAR OLD BALL BOY AT DALLAS COWBOYS TRAINING CAMP IN CALIFORNIA. PETTIS WAS ONE OF 100 ROOKIES AND UNDRAFTED FREE AGENT WITH A TOTAL LONG SHOT TO MAKE THE TEAM. HE MADE IT, AND HE AND I SORT OF BONDED AT THAT TIME AND HAVE BEEN FRIENDS FOR OVER 60 YEARS. PETTIS YOU KNOW, HE HAD A GREAT FOOTBALL CAREER. HE HAD A GOOD BUSINESS CAREER. BUT WHERE HE REALLY SHINED WAS IN THE AREA OF COMMUNITY SERVICE. I'VE NEVER KNOWN A FINER PERSON THAN PETTIS. AND THROUGHOUT HIS LIFE, HE WAS A CIVIL RIGHTS ADVOCATE WHO WAS COMMITTED TO IMPROVING RACE RELATIONS AND ENSURING THAT EVERY INDIVIDUAL DESERVED DIGNITY AND RESPECT, REGARDLESS OF RACE, BACKGROUND, OR STATUS. IN STRIVING TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER IN A CALM AND RESPECTFUL MANNER, HE BECAME A UNIFYING FORCE BRIDGING RACIAL LINES. I THINK THAT HIS. HIS QUALIFICATIONS AND HIS AND HIS IN HIS LIFE HAVE BEEN WELL DOCUMENTED. YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS A LOT OF LITERATURE. YOU HAVE MANY SPEAKERS. I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF BECAUSE WE DO, BUT I THINK THERE'S ONE OTHER ASPECT OF PETTIS THAT I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT RENAMING HISTORICAL STRUCTURES SUCH AS THE HOUSTON STREET BRIDGE, AND THAT'S THE ISSUE OF CHARACTER. PETTIS WAS AS FINE A PERSON AS I'VE EVER KNOWN. HE HAD GREAT FAMILY VALUES. HE WAS A FAITH BASED MAN. HONESTY, INTEGRITY, MORAL COURAGE, COMPASSION. HE'S THE KIND OF GUY THAT WHEN WE TALK TO OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN ABOUT WHEN THEY SAY, WHO'S PETTIS? NORMAN, I SEE THAT BRIDGE. THEY DON'T KNOW HIM. BUT I'M TELLING YOU, YOU CAN TALK WITH HIM WITH RESPECT, WITH WITH ADMIRATION, AND NOT ONLY FROM AN ACCOMPLISHMENT POINT OF VIEW, BUT JUST AS A HIGH CHARACTER PERSON THAT WE CAN ALL BE PROUD OF. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO SAY GOOD MORNING, BUT NOW I'M SAYING GOOD AFTERNOON. MAYOR JOHNSON AND LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT'S A PLEASURE AND AN HONOR TO BE HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MR. PETTIS. NORMAN. IN THE NAME OF RENAMING OF THE HOUSTON STREET VIADUCT BRIDGE, THE PETTIS PETTIS LIFE WAS. HE WAS BORN IN 1939 TO A. SHARECROPPER SHARECROPPERS FAMILY IN RURAL GEORGIA. HE WAS THE FIRST. HE WAS THE YOUNGEST OF 13 AND OVER GROWING THROUGH THAT COURSE, HE LEARNED TO. THAT HE HAD TO FIND OUT WHO IN THE HIERARCHY OF HIS [04:10:02] SIBLINGS COULD SPEAK TO MOM AND DAD ABOUT MOVING HIM UP THROUGH THE LINE. AND THROUGH THAT PROCESS, I THINK THAT HE STARTED TO GET SOME CHARACTER ABOUT WHAT IT TAKES TO MOVE OUT OF BAD SITUATIONS, SITUATIONS THAT YOU WANTED TO SEE BETTER. HIS FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO BE AN ACTIVIST, A CIVIC LEADER, WAS WHEN HE WAS AT JOHNSON C SMITH UNIVERSITY IN CHARLOTTE AND THIS HAPPENED DURING. A SIT DOWN AT THE LUNCH COUNTER. HE THOUGHT THAT WAS WRONG AND. HE JOINED OTHER STUDENTS AND THEY WERE ABLE TO. TO BRING THAT TO A A PEACEABLE END. NOW, PETTIS MR. NORMAN PLAYED FOOTBALL AT JOHNSON C SMITH UNIVERSITY. HOW DID HE HOW DID HE GET THERE? BY HEAD COACH. FIRST YEAR HEAD COACH THAT HAD NEVER SEEN HIM PLAY. GAVE HIM A SCHOLARSHIP AND HE WAS HONORED BY THAT. ALL OF THESE THINGS STARTED TO COLOR HIS. HIS ATTITUDE ABOUT HIS COURSE IN LIFE. HE WAS A FREE AGENT. AS HE STARTED TO PLAY FOOTBALL. HE GOT DRAFTED BY THE DALLAS TEXANS, AND HE REFUSED TO SIGN WITH THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY HAD MADE SOME MISTAKES AND ERROR IN JUDGMENT ABOUT HIM. SO HE SIGNED WITH THE DALLAS COWBOYS. THAT'S YOUR TIME. DO WHAT? YOUR TIME IS EXPIRED. GEE, IT GOES BY FAST. WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE, BUT IT IS YOUR TIME. IT GOES FAST. WELL, A MINUTE. I LEARNED FROM PATTI. THAT REALLY IS YOUR TIME. WE HAVE TO. WE HAVE TO LET SOME OTHER PEOPLE SPEAK. AND WE HAVE A LOT TO DO TODAY, SO I APPRECIATE IT. YOU KNOW, I LIKE STANDING HERE LOOKING AT YOU GUYS. WE LIKE LOOKING AT YOU, BUT NOT THAT MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOU SO MUCH. WE GOT A LOT OF FRIENDS HERE TODAY THAT NEED TO GET IN TODAY, TOO. I SEE RENEE MARTINEZ BACK THERE TRYING TO GET UP THERE. GO AHEAD SIR. THANK YOU. YEAH. MR. MAYOR, HONORABLE CITY MANAGER, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, MY COUNCILWOMAN, PAULA BLACKMON. RENEE MARTINEZ. LIFELONG RESIDENT OF DALLAS 7007, ARBOREAL. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE RENAMING OF THE VIADUCT BRIDGE FOR MY DEAR, DEAR FRIEND, PETTIS. NORMAN. PETTIS AND I WERE FRIENDS FOR OVER 45 YEARS. HE. WE USED TO JOKE THAT WE WERE BROTHERS FROM DIFFERENT MOTHERS. WE WERE ENGAGED IN MANY, MANY EVENTS, CRISES IN OUR CITY, OUR SCHOOLS. WE CO-CHAIRED THE JESSE JACKSON CAMPAIGN IN 1986 TOGETHER IN DALLAS COUNTY, AND WE WORKED TOGETHER SIDE BY SIDE. PETTUS. WAS A PILLAR IN OUR COMMUNITY A GREAT HUSBAND, A GREAT FATHER, A GREAT GRANDFATHER. HE BROUGHT PEOPLE TOGETHER WITH HIS DOMINATING PRESENCE AND HIS DEMEANOR, YET HIS VERY CALMING VOICE IN MEETINGS SUCH AS HERE IN CITY HALL. HE EPITOMIZED LEADERSHIP, BEING A VISIONARY IN OUR CITY. HE WAS A GREAT INDIVIDUAL THAT I LOOKED UP TO, LITERALLY. HIS LEGACY REMAINS WITH US TODAY IN THIS BUILDING, IN THIS CITY, IN THE COMMUNITY. I STRONGLY SUPPORT THE RENAMING OF THE BRIDGE THAT WILL KEEP US WITH PETTUS NOT ONLY LEGACY, BUT THE HISTORY AND FOR THE ACTIONS THAT HE HAD IN OUR CITY FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HI, I'M DALE HANSEN AND I'M IN NOBODY'S HALL OF FAME, AND I'LL MAKE THIS AS QUICK AS I CAN BECAUSE YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO TOW MY CAR. I WANT IT ON THE RECORD THOUGH, THAT I DID PUT MY CREDIT CARD IN THE IN THE MACHINE WHEN I GOT HERE. [04:15:05] I DON'T NEED TO TELL YOU HOW TO VOTE. I DON'T THINK YOU NEED ME TO TELL YOU. BUT WHEN MRS. NORMAN CALLS, YOU ANSWER THE CALL. PETTUS NORMAN PLAYED 12 YEARS IN THE NFL IN A LEAGUE THAT MOST PLAYERS NEVER MAKE IT TO THREE. HE PLAYED IN A CITY THAT HE ALWAYS LOVED. WHEN A CITY DIDN'T ALWAYS LOVE HIM BACK. HE COULDN'T CHOOSE WHERE TO LIVE BECAUSE WE WERE SEGREGATED BACK THEN, HE COULDN'T EAT AT THE LUNCH COUNTERS WHERE MANY OF HIS TEAMMATES DID. BUT I'M NOT HERE TO APOLOGIZE FOR THE SINS OF MY FATHERS. I AM HERE TO HONOR AND CELEBRATE WHAT A GREAT CITY I DO BELIEVE THIS HAS BECOME AND WHAT THAT REPRESENTS FOR OUR FUTURE. PETTIS NORMAN MADE A TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCE IN OUR LIVES ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD AND OFF. I CHOOSE TO HONOR AND CELEBRATE THE FUTURE THAT HE HELPED CREATE, AND I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE IT'S A FANTASTIC PLACE TO START BY PUTTING PETTIS NORMAN'S NAME ON THAT BRIDGE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. MAYOR JOHNSON, COUNCIL MEMBERS. CITY MANAGER MICHAEL HINOJOSA, RESIDENT AT 2300 WOLFE STREET. MY COUNCIL MEMBER, MR. RIDLEY. I SAW WHAT YOU DID TO ME AND JOE GREEN. SO I'M GOING TO KEEP MY MINUTES TIGHT. I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT TWO WORDS. FOUNDATION AND CONNECTOR. FOUNDATION OF THE DALLAS COWBOYS, 1960S. PETTIS. NORMAN'S HANDS WERE LIKE THIS. THEY WERE ALL MESSED UP. HE'S THE ONLY GUY THAT WOULD BLOCK. THEY MOVED HIM FROM WIDE RECEIVER TO TIGHT END. AMERICA'S TEAM WAS DEVELOPED BY THIS MAN. HE WAS THE FOUNDATION. I JUST WISH WE COULD WIN A GAME OR TWO OR MAKE THE PLAYOFFS OR SOMETHING, BUT WE'RE STILL FANS. BUT IT WAS HIS AND LANDRY'S VISION THAT HELPED PUT THIS TOGETHER. WHEN, IN THE 1960S, I WAS A STUDENT IN OAK CLIFF, HE WAS ONE OF THE ONLY COWBOYS THAT LIVED IN SOUTHERN DALLAS COUNTY. HE WAS ONE OF THE ONLY ONES. THAT'S WHY HE WAS A CONNECTOR. WHEN I WAS IN THE 80S, I WAS TEACHING AT ADAMSON HIGH SCHOOL RIGHT ACROSS THE HOUSTON STREET VIADUCT. I USED TO WALK AND RIDE MY BIKE AND THE BUS ACROSS THAT BRIDGE BECAUSE IT WAS A CONNECTOR FOR US AND ANOTHER PART OF TOWN AND THE REST OF THIS GREAT CITY. FAST FORWARD DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, DURING THE 80S WHEN I WAS TEACHING GOVERNMENT AND COACHING. HE WAS THEN BECOMING AN ACTIVIST, AND HE WAS PRETTY TOUGH. HE WAS TOUGH. SO FAST FORWARD TO 2005. I BECOME THE SUPERINTENDENT OF MY HOMETOWN. GUESS WHO IS ON THE DALLAS ACHIEVES COMMISSION DON WILLIAMS, ARCELIA ACOSTA AND PETTIS. NORMAN. VERY FEW PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY LAID THE FOUNDATION FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT YOU SEE TODAY, BECAUSE HE WAS IN IT FOR THE LONG GAME AND PETTIS WAS TOUGH. SOMETIMES YOU NEED SOME TOUGH LOVE. THOSE BRIDGES ARE TOUGH BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO ENDURE THE LONG GAME. SO WHAT PETTIS NORMAN DID IS AMAZING. IT'S WHAT WE ALL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CELEBRATE HERE. AND SO I JUST TELL YOU THAT THIS IS LONG TIME IN COMING, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE AN EASY VOTE FOR YOU. BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT THOSE TWO WORDS, FOUNDATION AND CONNECTIONS, AND WE CAN ALL MAKE IT FORWARD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. THANK YOU. GREETINGS. I'M ESTELLA WILLIAMS, I'M THE FORT WORTH TARRANT COUNTY BRANCH NAACP PRESIDENT, AND I LIVE IN FORT WORTH. WHAT'S IN A NAME? IT'S MORE LIKE THE PERSON NAMED PETTIS. NORMAN RESONATES IN THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF MANY PEOPLE THAT LIVE NEAR AND FAR. IT RESONATES BECAUSE HE IS A PERSON THAT REPRESENTED INTEGRITY, COURAGE, SINCERITY, DEDICATION. HE WAS ONE WHO BELIEVED IN NOT JUST CIVIL RIGHTS, BUT HUMAN RIGHTS. HIS NAME RESONATES ALL OVER AND FOREVER. HE ALSO WAS ONE THAT CONTAINED MANY ATTRIBUTES AS A CITIZEN, WHETHER HE WAS ON THE FIELD OR OFF THE FIELD BECAUSE OF HIS CHARACTER AND HIS LEGACY. MAYOR JOHNSON AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, I APPEAL TO YOU TODAY TO APPROVE THE RENAMING OF THE HOUSTON STREET BRIDGE TO THE PETTIS NORMAN BRIDGE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M JOYCE LYNN JOHNSON. I RESIDE AT 521 MISSIONARY RIDGE IN DALLAS COUNTY, DESOTO. BUT I'M HERE REPRESENTING STATE SENATOR ROYCE WEST, WHO COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY. [04:20:03] BUT MR. NORMAN WAS A FORMER NEIGHBOR OF MINE. AND I'M HERE TO STAND WITH THE FAMILY AND THE CARTRIDGE SUPPORTERS WHO ARE HERE FOR THE RENAMING OF THE HOUSTON STREET VIADUCT FOR MR. NORMAN. HOW APPROPRIATE THAT HIS HISTORIC BRIDGE, THAT THIS HISTORIC BRIDGE BE NAMED FOR THIS FAMED ARCHITECT OF OPPORTUNITY, WHO USED HIS ATHLETIC PROWESS AND BUSINESS ACUMEN TO BRIDGE THE CAUSE THAT EXISTED BETWEEN NORTH AND SOUTH AND DOWNTOWN AND OAK CLIFF. HE WORKED TIRELESSLY TO CONNECT DOWNTOWN DALLAS AND WITH OAK CLIFF BEFORE MANY KNEW THERE WAS AN OAK CLIFF. THERE WAS NO GROWTH SOUTH, AND DALLAS WAS INDEED A TALE OF TWO CITIES, NORTH AND SOUTH. WE OWE MR. NORMAN A DEBT OF GRATITUDE FOR CROSSING POLITICAL, RACIAL AND ECONOMIC LINES TO BUILD A BETTER DALLAS. HE WAS A BUSINESSMAN, A BANKER, REAL ESTATE INVESTOR, EDUCATION CHAMPION AND CIVIC LEADER WHO ACCEPTED HIS ASSIGNMENT AND HIS CALLING. HE SEEING DIVISION BETWEEN THE DALLAS COWBOYS PLAYERS ENCOURAGED HEAD COACH TOM LANDRY TO NOT CONTINUE THE PRACTICES OF BEING SEPARATED WHEN THEY TRAVELED. WHEN SELECTING A HOME, HE CHOSE OAK CLIFF AND ENCOURAGED OTHERS TO LIVE, WORK, LEARN AND PLAY IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR OF DALLAS. THROUGH HIS EFFORTS WITH DALLAS ACHIEVES. HE WORKED TO FILL THE GAP BETWEEN THE ACHIEVEMENT LEVELS OF DISD STUDENTS. WHEN HE DIDN'T SEE PARITY IN PROCUREMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR MINORITY BUSINESSES AND VENDORS SOUTH OF THE TRINITY RIVER. HE MET DALLAS LEADERS AT THE CROSSROADS TO SET IN PLACE RELATIONSHIPS, POLICIES, AND PROCEDURES FOR INCREASED AND ENHANCED BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES THAT STILL EXIST TODAY. MR. NORMAN WAS INDEED A BRIDGE BUILDER, AND I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THE EFFORTS TO NAME THE VIADUCT THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, THUS CEMENTING A LEGACY OF A MAN WHO TALKED THE TALK AND WALK THE WALK. THAT LEFT A PATH AND FOOTSTEPS FOR THOSE BEHIND TO FOLLOW. THANK YOU AND I HUMBLY ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND A POSITIVE VOTE. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS SUSAN COX AND I LIVE IN THE DISTRICT 13. I'M NOT A GREAT PUBLIC SPEAKER, I DO. I DO THIS FOR ONE REASON. I GREW UP WATCHING PETTIS NORMAN ON TV, BIG COWBOY FAN. AS IT TURNS OUT, ONE OF MY DAUGHTERS MARRIED JOHN FITZGERALD, CENTER FOR THE COWBOYS. I'M A DOUBLE COWBOY FAN NOW. WE LOST JOHN. WE HEARD A LOT OF GREAT STORIES ABOUT PETTIS FROM JOHN FITZGERALD. I'M SURE EVERY ONE OF YOU ARE A FAN OF PETTIS, NORMAN AND ALL HE DID FOR THE CITY, WORKING ON A ZONING CASE FOR A YEAR NOW, I HAVE REALLY COME TO APPRECIATE A DIVIDE THAT I'VE SEEN BETWEEN NORTH AND SOUTH. SORRY FOR THE NERVES. I THINK THIS WOULD BE THE BEST THING THAT COULD EVER HAPPEN TO THIS CITY. WE NEED TO UNITE. WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER. AND WE NEED TO CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER. AND I THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. MAYOR, MADAM. CITY MANAGER, DISTINGUISHED COUNCIL. IT'S WITH GREAT PRIDE AND HUMILITY THAT I RISE TO ADD MY VOICE TO THOSE ADVOCATING FOR YOUR SUPPORT TO RENAME THE HOUSTON STREET VIADUCT FOR PETTIS. NORMAN. MY NAME IS BRAD SHAM. I'M THE PLAY BY PLAY ANNOUNCER FOR THE DALLAS COWBOYS RADIO NETWORK. IN MY 48TH SEASON ON THE JOB, I'M ALSO A DALLASITE OF 54 YEARS STANDING. MY FIRST JOB OUT OF THE ARMY WAS AS A RADIO REPORTER COVERING CITY AND COUNTY GOVERNMENT IN THE EARLY 70S. SO I ADDRESS YOU TODAY AS BOTH SOMEONE FAMILIAR WITH OUR FOOTBALL TEAM AND EQUALLY WITH OUR COMMUNITY. I WAS FAMILIAR WITH PETTIS AS A PLAYER, BUT I GOT TO KNOW HIM IN HIS POST-PLAYING LIFE AS A BUSINESS AND COMMUNITY LEADER. IT'S THE ENTIRETY OF THAT LIFE THAT PROMPTS ME TO SPEAK TO YOU, BECAUSE I BELIEVE FIRMLY THE RENAMING OF THE VIADUCT TO THE PETTIS NORMAN BRIDGE DOESN'T JUST HONOR PETTIS, IT HONORS DALLAS. PETTIS PLAYED FOR THE COWBOYS FROM 1963 TO 70. AT A TIME BOTH POLITICALLY AND RACIALLY FRAUGHT, IT'S WELL KNOWN AMONG CLOSE FOLLOWERS OF THE TEAM THEN, THAT PETTIS, WHO WAS, AS YOU'VE HEARD, AN UNDRAFTED FREE AGENT, BECAME A STARTER AND A LEADER. HE TANGIBLY HELPED BRIDGE WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN TROUBLING RACIAL DIVIDES WITHIN THE TEAM. [04:25:03] HE HAD THE TOTAL RESPECT OF COACH TOM LANDRY, WHO SAID, QUOTE, PETTIS SHOWED THE FORTITUDE, THE DRIVE AND THE CHARACTER TO WORK HIS WAY UP FROM VERY HUMBLE BEGINNINGS TO GAIN A COLLEGE DEGREE AND THEN TO BECOME VICE PRESIDENT OF A BANK IN DALLAS. PETTUS WAS AN INSPIRATION DURING TIMES WHEN PEOPLE NEEDED SOMEONE POSITIVE WITH WHOM TO RELATE. I WISH I HAD 22 PLAYERS LIKE PETTUS. ALL I'D HAVE TO DO IS BLOW UP THE FOOTBALL AND THROW IT ON THE FIELD. DISTINGUISHED COUNCIL PETTUS. NORMAN WAS A CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST BEFORE THAT WAS A TITLE. HE WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN PROMOTING RACIAL HARMONY WITHIN A FOOTBALL TEAM, IN AN INDUSTRY, AND IN A CITY THAT WEREN'T LOOKING FOR IT. HE DID THAT AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN, AS A BANKER, HE FOUNDED DALLAS TOGETHER, AN INITIATIVE WORKING TOWARD IMPROVING MINORITY HIRING AND CONTRACTING IN THE 90S, LONG AFTER HIS FOOTBALL RETIREMENT. ALL OF THIS WHILE THRIVING AS A TOUGH GUY, A MAN'S MAN. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PETTUS NORMAN WAS THE WHOLE PACKAGE. HE WAS EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT TO EXEMPLIFY TO OUR YOUNG PEOPLE AND WHAT WE WANT OUR CITY TO EMBODY. PLEASE VOTE TO RENAME THE HOUSTON STREET VIADUCT, THE PETTIS NORMAN BRIDGE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M TOM DENNING, AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF NAMING THE BRIDGE AFTER PETTIS NORMAN, AND NOT BECAUSE HE WAS A STAR FOOTBALL PLAYER FOR THE DALLAS COWBOYS, NOT BECAUSE HE WAS A STRONG CIVIC LEADER AND NOT BECAUSE HE WAS A DEAR AND CLOSE FRIEND. IN FACT, I WAS HONORED TO BE A GROOMSMAN IN HIS WEDDING. THE REASON PETTIS USED. THE REASON, THOUGH, IS PETTIS USED HIS BEING A STAR DALLAS COWBOY IN THE MID 60S AS A PLATFORM, A PLATFORM TO SPEAK OUT ON IMPORTANT ISSUES AND CHALLENGES FACING DE ISD AND THE CITY OF DALLAS. HE USED THE PLATFORM TO BRIDGE OAK CLIFF AND SOUTHERN DALLAS TO TO NORTHERN DALLAS. THE BRIDGE. HE BRIDGED COMMUNITIES OF COLOR TOGETHER, ALL OF WHICH. PETTUS BECAME A WELL KNOWN AND HIGHLY RESPECTED LEADER. PETTUS ALSO BUILT BRIDGES IN THE COWBOYS. AS WAS MENTIONED, HE TOLD COACH LANDRY TO BE A GREAT TEAM, THAT RACE SHOULD NOT SEPARATE PLAYERS, AND SUGGESTED THAT ROOMMATES ON OUT OF TOWN GAMES SHOULD BE BASED, SHOULD NOT BE BASED ON RACE. COACH LANDRY AGREED, AND EVENTUALLY ALL NFL TEAMS FOLLOWED DALLAS LEADERSHIP. THANKS TO PETTUS, WHEN DALLAS FACED ITS WORST RACIAL CRISIS IN JANUARY 1988, MAYOR ANNETTE STRAUSS FORMED DALLAS TOGETHER AND ASKED ME TO CHAIR AND PETTUS AND RENEE MARTINEZ, WHO YOU HEARD FROM A FEW MINUTES AGO, AND DIANE SCOVILLE WERE CO-CHAIRS. SO I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH PETTUS, AND I COULD SEE WHAT MADE HIM SUCH AN EFFECTIVE LEADER. HE WAS AN EXCELLENT LISTENER AND DID NOT INTERRUPT. SO WHEN HE SPOKE, PEOPLE LISTENED. AFTER A YEAR, DALLAS TOGETHER TURNED OUR RECOMMENDATIONS OVER TO CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS, INCLUDING THE BUSINESS AND COMMERCE. RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE GREATER DALLAS CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, WHICH IMMEDIATELY ASKED PETTUS TO CHAIR, WHICH. HE DID AN INCREDIBLE JOB CHAIRING THIS AND IT WAS AND WAS MENTIONED HOW HE WORKED WITH MAJOR CORPORATIONS IN DALLAS TO CHANGE THEIR HIRING PRACTICES, THEIR PURCHASING PRACTICES, AND HELPED SMALL BUSINESSES, MINORITY OWNED BUSINESSES TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH LARGE CORPORATIONS. WHEN MAYOR RAWLINS WAS MAYOR, HE ASKED PETTIS TO FORM AND CHAIR A COMMITTEE ON HOW THE CITY OF DALLAS COULD BECOME MORE INVOLVED WITH DISD. ONCE AGAIN, PETTIS WAS ABLE TO BRIDGE TOGETHER COMMUNITIES CONCERN, COMMUNITIES OF CONCERN, PARENTS, STUDENTS AND LEADERS. SO IN COMING YEARS. THAT'S YOUR TIME. OKAY. SO IN COMING YEARS, WHEN PEOPLE ASK WHO IS PETTIS? NORMAN, THAT REALLY IS JUST IT'S NOT BECAUSE HE WAS A GREAT STAR COWBOY, NOT BECAUSE HE WAS A GREAT LEADER. IT'S BECAUSE HIS NAME SHOULD BE HIS NAME SHOULD BE SYMBOLIC WITH THE WORD BRIDGE. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR THE EXTRA MOMENTS. THANK YOU. OF COURSE, OF COURSE. Y'ALL GETTING SLICK WITH IT NOW I SEE. [04:30:01] HONORABLE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS LEWIS STEARNS AND I'M A RESIDENT OF FORT WORTH FROM FORT WORTH. WE LOOK ACROSS THE RIVER TO DALLAS AND WE LOOK OVER HERE AND WE SAW PETTIS NORMAN AS A PERSON WHO WAS A BRIDGE BUILDER, WHO WAS A PERSON WHO BROUGHT COMMUNITIES TOGETHER. AND WE WERE SORT OF ENVIOUS OF PETTIS AND OF DALLAS, BECAUSE YOU HAD A LEADER HERE WHO HAD THE CAPACITY AND THE ABILITY TO BRING PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY TOGETHER, TO TALK AND TO COLLABORATE. AND THROUGH THAT PROCESS, YOU DISCOVERED THAT WHEN PEOPLE HAD DIALOG WITH EACH OTHER, THEY LEARNED THAT WE HAD MORE IN COMMON THAN THAT SEPARATES US. THAT WAS PETTIS NORMAN LEGACY. I HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING PETTIS SOME 17 YEARS AGO WHEN PETTIS WIFE FRIEND DEBORAH BROWN MARRIED MY BROTHER AND PETTIS CAME TO MY HOUSE FOR A BACHELOR PARTY, A BUNCH OF OLDER GUYS. AND WHAT I ENJOYED ABOUT HIM WAS HIS HUMILITY. AND EVEN THERE, EVEN THOUGH HE WAS NOT FROM FORT WORTH AND DIDN'T KNOW US, HE BROUGHT US ALL TOGETHER. SO AS I THINK ABOUT A BRIDGE THAT JOINED TWO PARTS OF DALLAS TOGETHER, I CAN THINK OF NO BETTER PERSON TO BURY WHOSE NAME SHOULD BE ON THAT BRIDGE IN PETTIS NORMAN, BECAUSE HE LIVED A LIFE OF BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. THANK YOU. MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL. MY NAME IS VICTOR BURKE, AND I CAN'T ONE UP ANY OF THESE SPEAKERS SO FAR BECAUSE THEY HAVE SO MANY GOOD THINGS TO SAY ABOUT PETTIS. WHAT I CAN SAY ABOUT PETTIS THAT NO ONE HAS SAID IS HE WAS A MENTOR. HE CARED ABOUT PEOPLE AND HE CARED ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY. I CAME HERE IN 1991. I RETIRED FROM THE MILITARY AND CAME HERE AFTER 30 YEARS. I KNEW ABSOLUTELY NO ONE. I WAS THRUST INTO THE JOB OF WORKING AT DART, AND IN SIX MONTHS MR. EVANS. MR. JACK EVANS, WHO WAS MY BOSS OVER THERE, SAID, WE WANT YOU TO TAKE OVER AND RUN THIS AGENCY FOR US. I HAD NO IDEA WHAT A DART WAS WHEN I CAME HERE AND WHAT DALLAS WAS ALL ABOUT. I REACHED OUT TO THE COMMUNITY FOR HELP, AND LO AND BEHOLD, THERE WAS THIS GUY CALLED PETTIS NORMAN. HE CAME TO MY AID. HE WORKED WITH ME. HE WORKED FOR ME. HE DID. EVERY TIME I NEEDED SOME HELP, HE DIRECTED ME IN THE RIGHT PLACE. HE BROUGHT THIS COMMUNITY TOGETHER AND PUT ME ON SEVERAL BOARDS TO BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER. THE MAN LOVED THIS CITY, AND EVEN THOUGH HE'S NOT ORIGINALLY FROM DALLAS, I AM NOT EITHER. WE BOTH LOVE THIS CITY AND I CAN SAY ONE THING. YOU'D BE DOING THE RIGHT THING BY APPROVING THIS NAME ON THE BRIDGE HERE IN DALLAS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. HONORABLE MAYOR, CITY MANAGER, COUNCIL MEMBERS. I DON'T COME DOWN HERE OFTEN. KINDA. BUT PETTIS. NORMAN, JUST NOTICE WHAT PETTIS HAS DONE. LOOK AT THE ARRAY OF PEOPLE THAT PETTIS HAS BROUGHT TOGETHER TOGETHER. DALLAS FORUM ONE WAS PETTIS. NORMAN PETTIS. NORMAN WAS A COLLABORATOR. HE WAS A BRIDGE BUILDER. HE WAS A KIND MAN, BUT A FIERCE MAN. HE WAS A DETERMINED MAN. AND SO I BEG OF YOU, I ASK OF YOU AS COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SUPPORT THIS MOTION, TO CHANGE THIS BRIDGE TO THE PETTUS BRIDGE, BECAUSE HE WAS A BRIDGE BUILDER. HE WOULD BE HONORED THAT OAK CLIFF WOULD BE REPRESENTED. AND I THINK THE FACT THAT HIS WIFE HAS BEEN VERY ENGAGED AND ENCOURAGING WITH A NUMBER OF US, BUT IT'S LIKE A FAMILY REUNION. WE'RE ALL DAPPING EACH OTHER UP, AND WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT THE GOOD OLD DAYS, BECAUSE PETTUS WAS AT THE CENTER OF THAT. HE WAS THAT GUY. AND SO I ASK YOU, BECAUSE YOU ARE THAT CITY. CHOOSE THAT GUY FOR THAT BRIDGE. PETTIS. NORMAN. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. MAYOR. CITY MANAGER, AND IF PETTIS WERE HERE, HE WOULD SAY MY COUNCIL MEMBERS BECAUSE YOU ALL REPRESENT THE CITY OF DALLAS, SO YOU ALL SHOULD REPRESENT EVERY MEMBER OF DALLAS. [04:35:02] I AM CHERYL SMITH AND I LIVE ON LANCASTER ROAD, BUT I'M THINKING ABOUT MOVING DOWNTOWN BECAUSE I REMEMBER HOW IT WAS WHEN I CAME TO DALLAS. I'M FROM NEW JERSEY. I'M A JERSEY GIRL, SO BEING UP HERE TALKING ABOUT DALLAS COWBOY KIND OF HAVE TO BREATHE TO DO IT. BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PETTIS. NORMAN, WHO I KNEW OF BEFORE HE BECAME A DALLAS COWBOY BECAUSE HE'S FROM AN HBCU. AND I AM AND I KNOW HE HATED FOR JOHNSON C SMITH TO BEAT FLORIDA A&M. AND BUT I REMEMBER HIM AS A JOURNALIST AND I'M THE PUBLISHER OF TEXAS METRONEWS GARLAND JOURNAL AND OUR MESSENGER. AND I KNOW PETTIS, NORMAN, I WROTE ABOUT NOT BEING ON A FOOTBALL FIELD OR WHAT HE DID ON A FOOTBALL FIELD, BUT WHAT HE DID FOR THIS CITY AND WHAT HE DID FOR THIS CITY. HE MADE IT BETTER. I'M STILL HERE BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE PETTIS NORMAN, WHO SAID, WE'RE GOING TO WORK AND MAKE THIS CITY BETTER. AND IT IS BETTER. AND I JUST MOVED MY BUSINESS DOWNTOWN, AND I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO BE THE YOU HAVE YOUR MAN DOWNTOWN. I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO BE THE WOMAN DOWNTOWN, BUT THEN I FOUND OUT THAT OUR CITY MANAGER LIVES DOWN HERE, SO SHE'S THE WOMAN DOWNTOWN. I'LL JUST BE THE SECOND WOMAN. BUT, YOU KNOW, I STAND HERE BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT HE DID. I COVERED HIM DECADES AGO. WHAT HE WAS DOING TO MAKE THIS CITY BETTER BECAUSE HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE EDUCATION OF OUR CHILDREN, THE QUALITY OF LIFE, WHAT OUR BUSINESSES WERE DOING. HE DID SO MUCH TO BRING US ALL TOGETHER. SO I'M THINKING ABOUT, AS WE LOOK AT A TIME WHEN PEOPLE ARE ERASING HISTORY. CENTURIES FROM NOW, WHEN PEOPLE ARE RIDING AROUND, THEY WILL BE THINKING ABOUT WHAT PETTIS NORMAN DID WHEN THEY CAN SAY, WHO IS PETTIS? NORMAN? A GOOD HEARTED MAN WHO DID SO MUCH TO MAKE LIFE BETTER. MICHAEL SORRELL AT PAUL QUINN COLLEGE SAYS LEAVE A PLACE BETTER. THAT'S WHAT PETTIS NORMAN DID, AND WE CAN HONOR THAT. WE CAN HONOR AND BE PROUD OF IT. AND WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE REVISIONIST HISTORY 50 YEARS FROM NOW SAYING, I MARCHED WITH DOCTOR KING. YOU CAN SAY I VOTED FOR PETTIS. NORMAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M HERE REALLY JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON EVERYONE ELSE'S COMMENTS. FOR MANY THAT KNOW PETTIS, NORMAN YOU IMMEDIATELY THINK OF FOOTBALL, BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE. BUT HIS STORY DID NOT END IN FOOTBALL. IT'S REALLY ABOUT CONNECTION AND UNDERSTANDING. THE SUCCESS CREATES RESPONSIBILITY. HE BECAME A BUSINESSMAN AND ENTREPRENEUR THROUGH THE NORMAN INDUSTRIES, DEMONSTRATING THE SAME DETERMINATION IN BUSINESS THAT HE DID IN ATHLETICS. SO TODAY HE USED HIS VOICE, HIS RELATIONSHIPS, HIS INFLUENCE, AND HIS POSITION TO HELP CREATE WHAT YOU SEE TODAY. EVERYONE THAT'S SPOKEN BEFORE ME. THAT'S HIS LEADERSHIP. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AND THE PRESENCE OF HIS FAMILY, COLLEAGUES AND YOU ALL. THERE'S ALSO SOMETHING SPECIAL, MEANINGFUL. PLACING HIS NAME ON THAT BRIDGE. A BRIDGE CONNECTS COMMUNITIES. A BRIDGE BRINGS PEOPLE FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER. A BRIDGE ALLOWS US TO MOVE FORWARD. AND IN MANY WAYS, THAT DESCRIBES THE LIFE OF PETTIS. NORMAN, THIS IS MORE THAN JUST THE NAMING OF A STRUCTURE. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS TO SAY THAT WE REMEMBER THOSE WHO HELPED SHAPE OUR COMMUNITIES, THAT WE RECOGNIZE THOSE WHO HAD THE COURAGE TO LEAD, AND THAT THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS DESERVE TO BE PRESERVED FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. SO TODAY, I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE NAMING OF PETTIS NORMAN BRIDGE. LET EVERY PERSON WHO CROSSES IT SEE HIS NAME AND UNDERSTAND THAT DALLAS HONORS EXCELLENCE, COURAGE, ENTREPRENEURSHIP SERVICE AND THE PURSUIT OF EQUALITY. PETTIS NORMAN HELPED BUILD THE LEGACY OF DALLAS. NOW, DALLAS HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE HIS LEGACY A PERMANENT PART OF OUR CITY. THAT'S. MY NAME IS BRIAN NICKERSON. THANK YOU. WILL YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? BRIAN NICKERSON. [04:40:01] THANK YOU, THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. NEXT SPEAKER. GOOD AFTERNOON. COUNCIL DWAINE CARAWAY, 1934 ARGYLE AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS, DISTRICT FOUR. BUT THE ENTIRE CITY. LET ME I'VE LISTENED TO MIKE THIS MORNING. MAYOR ROLLINS AND ME BEING A FORMER MAYOR AND MAYOR PRO TEM LEANING ON THE SHOULDERS OF PEOPLE LIKE PETTIS. NORMAN, I WANT TO TELL YOU ALL ABOUT THE REAL PETTIS. NORMAN. HAVE Y'ALL HEARD ALL OF THE GOOD BUSINESS AND ALL THOSE GREAT THINGS, BUT YOU HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT PETTIS, NORMAN AND THE BARBER SHOP IN OAK CLIFF WHERE HE WOULD GET HIS HAIR CUT IN OAK CLIFF PETTIS LIVED IN OAK CLIFF. HE LOVED OAK CLIFF. HE PLAYED FOOTBALL, OF COURSE. WE HAD PEP RALLIES AT GLENDALE SHOPPING CENTER FOR THE DALLAS COWBOYS WITH PETTIS AND DREW AND EVERYBODY ON STAGE. COACH LANDRY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. PETTIS NEVER LEFT THE COMMUNITY, EVEN THOUGH HE STRIVED AND BECAME A GREAT BUSINESSMAN. SO DESERVING. AND I'M SO PROUD OF YOU ALL HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT HIS LEGACY IN THE LIGHTS OF DALLAS FOREVER. THAT'S JUST AS GREAT AS HIS NAME BEING AT THE STADIUM IN THE RING OF HONOR. THIS IS THE DALLAS RING OF HONOR. ONE THING I LIKE TO SAY ABOUT THE COWBOYS. ONE I WANT TO THANK YVETTE FOR THE WIFE. YOU DID A GREAT JOB. YOU STUCK WITH YOUR HUSBAND. I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT. AND I WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW SHE STUCK WITH HER HUSBAND, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT AND LOVE IT AND HONOR YOU FOR THAT. NOW, THE DALLAS COWBOYS REAL QUICK GOT ME 15 SECONDS. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THESE DALLAS COWBOYS? FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO DO WHAT PETTIS DID. MOVE THEM FROM NORTH DALLAS TO OAK CLIFF SO THEY CAN GET SOME REAL GOOD SOUL FOOD AND THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED THEIR MIND. BECAUSE OUT THERE, WHAT THEY'RE EATING, THEY AIN'T WINNING WITH IT. ALL OF THE COWBOYS LIVED IN OAK CLIFF. THAT'S WHEN WE WERE WINNING SUPER BOWLS. THAT'S WHEN WE HAD LEADERSHIP IN THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S WHEN THE KIDS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE A DALLAS COWBOY, THE DALLAS COWBOYS. NOWADAYS, TODAY, THEY NEEDED A GPS TO FIND OAK CLIFF AND GET THE ROOSTERS CHICKEN. THEY COULDN'T. THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE NOTHING IS. THAT'S WHY WE'RE PROBABLY NOT WINNING, BECAUSE THEY HADN'T BEEN INGRATIATED ENOUGH WITH THOSE THAT CAN GIVE THEM THE REAL OOMPH SO THEY CAN GET OUT THERE AND WIN. PETTIS LED THE WAY. BOB HAYES LED THE WAY. LIVING ON KING COLE CIRCLE, THEY HAD THEIR APARTMENTS ALL UP AND DOWN SUTHERLAND, RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE GOLF COURSE. THEY WERE ALL OVER. I GOT 11 SECONDS. I'M ALL OVER. PLEASE. THANK YOU FOR NAMING THE STREET. AND I KNOW THAT YOU WILL. UNANIMOUSLY. NOT THE STREET, BUT THE BRIDGE UNDER THE LEGACY OF PETTIS. NORMAN. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. GOOD AFTERNOON TO THE HONORABLE MAYOR, MAYOR ERIC JOHNSON, CITY MANAGER, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND TO MY CITY COUNCILMAN, MR. MAXI JOHNSON. I AM DOCTOR SHARON MIDDLEBROOKS. I HAPPEN TO BE A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT FOUR. BUT I STAND HERE BEFORE YOU THIS AFTERNOON ON BEHALF OF THE DALLAS NAACP, AND WE PROUDLY AND WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THE RENAMING OF THE HOUSTON STREET VIADUCT BRIDGE IN HONOR OF ONE MR. PETTIS NORMAN. MR. NORMAN'S DISTINGUISHED LEGACY AS A PIONEERING PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE, RESPECTED BUSINESSMAN, CIVIC LEADER AND DEVOTED SERVANT OF DALLAS COMMUNITY EMBODIES THE VERY PRINCIPLES OF COURAGE, LEADERSHIP, PERSEVERANCE, AND SERVICE THAT STRENGTHEN OUR CITY. THE DESIGNATION OF THE PETTIS NORMAN BRIDGE WILL SERVE AS A LASTING AND VISIBLE TRIBUTE TO A MAN. CONTRIBUTIONS TRANSCENDED ATHLETICS AND WHOSE COMMITMENT TO ADVANCING OPPORTUNITY, EQUALITY AND COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT HAS POSITIVELY IMPACTED GENERATIONS. [04:45:04] IT IS BOTH FITTING AND APPROPRIATE THAT THIS HISTORIC DALLAS LANDMARK BEAR THE NAME OF PETTIS NORMAN. ENSURING THAT HIS REMARKABLE LEGACY OF SERVICE AND ACHIEVEMENT WILL BE HONORED, REMEMBERED AND CELEBRATED FOR GENERATIONS TO COME. AND I CLOSE BY SAYING DALLAS, THE NINTH LARGEST CITY, A WORLD CLASS CITY WITH THE NAME OF A WORLD CLASS PLAYER OF THE DALLAS COWBOYS. PLEASE VOTE YES FOR THE VIADUCT CHANGE TO PETTIS. NORMAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. MAYOR. COUNCIL. FORMER COLLEAGUES. IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE BACK HERE. MY NAME IS CASEY THOMAS. I RESIDE IN DISTRICT THREE, 8065 WEST CAMP WISDOM. I WANT TO THANK MR. NORMAN FOR GIVING ME THE PRIVILEGE AND THE HONOR OF LEADING THIS EFFORT. SHE CALLED ME, AND I WAS JUST SITTING IN MY OFFICE, AND WHEN SHE CALLED AND ASKED ME IF SHE SAID, I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW I WANT TO DO THIS. I JUST KNOW WE WANT TO HONOR PETTIS. I SAID YES, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR MEETING ONE ON ONE IN YOUR OFFICE WITH MISS NORMAN AND GETTING A CHANCE TO HEAR HER HEART AND HOW SHE FEELS ABOUT HER HUSBAND AND THE IMPACT HE'S MADE. I WANT TO THANK COUNCILMAN GRACEY. WHO WAS THIS COUNCIL MEMBER? LIVE IN DISTRICT. HE LIVES IN DISTRICT THREE. AND THANK YOU FOR LEADING AND MOVING THIS EFFORT FORWARD. I WANT TO THANK COUNCILMEMBER WEST. WE TALKED MONTHS AGO ABOUT THIS. AND TO BE WHERE WE ARE TODAY. AND FORMER MAYOR CARAWAY KIND OF STOLE SOME OF MY THUNDER WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CLOUD OF WITNESSES. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN ASSEMBLED TODAY, WHO TOOK TIME OUT OF THEIR BUSY SCHEDULE TO COME AND TALK WITH YOU AND SHARE WITH YOU THE IMPACT THAT PETTIS HAD ON HER LIFE. IT'S MY HONOR TO STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY. I HAD THE PLEASURE OF KNOWING MR. NORMAN WHEN I WAS HIS COUNCIL MEMBER. WE SPENT TIME TOGETHER TALKING ABOUT HIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOW TO MAKE DALLAS A FAIR CITY FOR ALL. IT'S MADE A MAJOR IMPACT NOT ONLY ON ME, BUT ON THIS CITY. HE WAS A BRIDGE ACROSS RACES IN THIS CITY FOR PEOPLE ON NORTH AND SOUTH. AND I DON'T KNOW, A BETTER A MORE FITTING WAY TO HONOR HIM AND HIS LEGACY THAN TO VOTE IN SUPPORT OF THIS MOTION. AS YOU HAVE HEARD, HE WAS A DIFFERENCE MAKER, NOT ONLY AS A DALLAS COWBOY, BUT AS A CIVIC LEADER. THE LATE CONGRESSWOMAN EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, REPRESENTING THE 30TH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT OF TEXAS AND THE US HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, SAID THIS ABOUT HIM. PETTUS HAS HAD A TRULY REMARKABLE JOURNEY. A LEADER WHO STOOD BY JUSTICE, FAIRNESS AND FAMILY. THE LATE REVEREND JESSE JACKSON, CIVIL RIGHTS LEADER, HAD THIS TO SAY ABOUT HIM. PETTUS NORMAN HAS BEEN A MAN OF ACTION THROUGHOUT HIS LIFETIME. AT THIS MOMENT, AFTER A LIFE SPAN AND SERVICE. IT IS HE WHO DESERVES DUE CREDIT AND OUR GRATITUDE. I AM PROUD TO CALL HIM A NATIONAL TREASURE AND MY FRIEND. IT IS MY PLEASURE, MY HONOR TO STAND HERE AND HE. MR. NORMAN, WHO GAVE ALL HE HAD TO. THIS CITY, IS VERY DESERVING OF THIS HONOR, AND I STAND IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS MOTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. MAYOR JOHNSON, MEMBERS OF THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS YVETTE NORMAN. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BEFORE YOU TODAY. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK THESE DISTINGUISHED LEADERS WHO CAME OUT TO SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS TODAY. YOU'VE TOUCHED MY HEART AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. I LIVE IN DALLAS AND WAS BLESSED TO SPEND 30 BEAUTIFUL YEARS WITH PETTIS. NORMAN, THE MAN I LOVED AND MY VERY BEST FRIEND. PETTIS WAS A DEVOTED FATHER, GRANDFATHER, AND GREAT GRANDFATHER. WE WERE HIS HEART AND HE WAS IN OURS. HIS GREATEST LEGACY WAS NOT SIMPLY WHAT HE ACCOMPLISHED IN THIS CITY. [04:50:04] BUT THE LOVE HE GAVE TO OUR FAMILY. ALLOW ME TO SHARE TWO PERSONAL QUALITIES ABOUT PETTIS. FIRST, PETTIS WAS A DEVOUT CHRISTIAN MAN, HIS FAVORITE BIBLE VERSE. DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU. HIS FAITH SHAPED HIS CHARACTER, AND HIS WORDS REFLECTED HIS INTEGRITY. AND SECOND, HE HAD A FAVORITE SONG. HIS FAVORITE SONG WAS THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM, MADE FAMOUS BY FRANK SINATRA. THIS SONG WAS MORE THAN MUSIC TO PETTIS. IT BECAME HIS MANTRA. THE SONG SPEAKS TO THE COURAGE TO PURSUE WHAT OTHERS MIGHT CONSIDER DIFFICULT. IT STATES TO HAVE STRENGTH TO KEEP GOING WHEN THE ROAD MAY NOT BE SEEN AT THE END. AND IT EMPHASIZES THE WILLINGNESS TO GIVE, NOT FOR RECOGNITION, BUT IN SERVICE TO SOMETHING GREATER THAN YOURSELF. THAT WAS MY HUSBAND, AND THIS SONG IS A REFLECTION OF HOW PETTUS LIVED HIS LIFE. RON KIRK, OUR FORMER MAYOR, ONCE SAID, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW TO BE A GOOD FATHER, PETTUS WAS THE KIND OF MAN YOU LOOKED UP TO. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW TO BE A GOOD ENTREPRENEUR AND HELP BRIDGE DALLAS RACIAL DIVIDE AND GET THE CITY TO MOVE TOGETHER, PETTUS WAS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE YOU HAD TO TALK TO. HE CLOSED BY SAYING, ANY BOX I WOULD WANT TO CHECK ABOUT THE KIND OF MAN I'D LIKE TO BE. PETTIS CHECKS THAT BOX FOR ME. IN CLOSING. AS WE LOOK AT THE CROSS SECTION OF LEADERS WHO SPOKE TODAY AND THOSE WHO HAVE JOINED US IN THE AUDIENCE, I SEE SOMETHING TRULY, TRULY SPECIAL. EVEN THOUGH PETTIS IS NO LONGER PHYSICALLY WITH US, HE IS STILL BRINGING TOGETHER DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS, PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT RACES AND GENERATIONS. MY HUSBAND MAY BE IN HEAVEN, BUT THE BRIDGES HE BUILT BETWEEN US REMAIN STANDING TODAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND THANK YOU FOR PRESERVING MY HUSBAND'S LEGACY. THANK YOU. MR. MAYOR. I BELIEVE THERE ARE NO FURTHER SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM. CHAIRMAN GRACEY. FOR WHAT PURPOSE? TO MOVE APPROVAL. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. DO YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? YES, SIR, I DO. YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES, SIR. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU TO EACH AND EVERY PERSON THAT SPOKE TODAY ON BEHALF OF MR. NORMAN PETTIS. AND TO MISS PETTIS, THANK YOU FOR HOW YOU'VE CONTINUED TO LOVE ON YOUR HUSBAND EVEN AFTER HE IS GONE. AND FOR EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM, EVEN THOSE. AND AGAIN, TO CHAD WEST AND TO JESSE MORENO. EXCUSE ME, I APOLOGIZE. BUT FOR FOR OPENING UP THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND EVEN THOSE WHO MAYBE EVEN HAD THE OPPOSITION, I WANT TO THANK THEM TOO, BECAUSE WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK AND WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WELL, WHY? ONE QUESTION THEY ASKED, WELL, WELL, WHY? WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE THE BRIDGE? WELL, BECAUSE HE WAS A BRIDGE. I MEAN, IT WAS JUST THAT THAT SIMPLE. WELL, WHY CAN'T IT BE OVER THERE OR NOT? AND I ASKED THE QUESTION. I ASKED THIS QUESTION. I SAID, WHAT WOULD CHANGE THE HISTORY OF THAT BRIDGE BY CHANGING THE NAME? AND YOU SAW THE ROOM KIND OF PONDER ABOUT IT. AND THERE WAS A PEOPLE WANTED TO HAVE AN ANSWER, BUT THEY DIDN'T. BECAUSE THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IS THAT BRIDGE DID EXACTLY WHAT EVERYONE TODAY IS SAYING MR. PETTIS DID. AND THAT WAS CONNECT OAK CLIFF TO DOWNTOWN. HE WAS THAT CONNECTOR, WHICH IS WHY IT MADE IT SO MUCH EASIER TO SUPPORT THIS. [04:55:03] AND THEN THE MORE I LEARNED ABOUT HIM HBCU, I PLAYED FOOTBALL, I DIDN'T GO TO THE LEAGUE, BUT I PLAYED FOOTBALL. YOU START SEEING YOURSELF IN HIM AND IT MAKES YOU WANT TO SUPPORT THIS EVEN MORE. SO AGAIN, COLLEAGUES, TODAY I'M ASKING YOU FOR YOU ALL TO SUPPORT THIS MOVEMENT. THIS DECISION TO, TO CONTINUE LIVING OUT HIS LEGACY AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE A PLACE TO REMEMBER FOREVER WHO MR. PETTUS WAS AND HIS IMPACT ON THIS CITY. SO AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. I HOPE I HAVE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU, MR. WEBB. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I WANT TO ALSO SECOND MY COLLEAGUE'S COMMENTS BY THANKING MRS. NORMAN. AND AND ALL OF THE THE GREAT SPEAKERS WHO CAME TODAY. IT'S VERY CLEAR FROM THE, THE REALLY MOVING WORDS THAT THAT WE'VE HEARD THAT MR. NORMAN WAS NOT ONLY A FANTASTIC COWBOY, BUT AN EVEN BETTER CIVIC AND COMMUNITY LEADER FOR, FOR DALLAS AND FOR OAK CLIFF. I DEFINITELY ALSO WANT TO THANK MAYOR RAWLINGS, WHO WAS HERE EARLIER TODAY. AND FOR THE HUNDREDS OF RESIDENTS FROM MY DISTRICT AND ACROSS THE CITY WHO'VE WHO EMAILED ME ALSO FOR HERITAGE OAK CLIFF ARE A COALITION OF NEIGHBORHOODS IN OAK CLIFF WHO WEIGHED IN ON THIS AS WELL. FROM THE SURVEYS THAT MY OFFICE CREATED AND TO A HERITAGE OAK CLIFF LED COMMUNITY MEETING, WHICH JESSE MORENO ATTENDED. THANK YOU. AND ALSO AARON GRACEY IT'S CLEAR THAT DISTRICT ONE RESIDENTS, WHICH IS JUST ACROSS THE BRIDGE FROM DOWNTOWN. APPRECIATE MR. NORMAN AND AND CERTAINLY APPRECIATE HIS CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE CITY. I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE CEREMONIAL NAME CHANGE, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO VOTING FOR IT IN A FEW MINUTES. DEPUTY MAYOR, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUES WHO MAKE SURE THAT THIS GOT DONE ACROSS TO THIS POINT HERE. I MET MR. NORMAN YEARS AGO ON SCHOOL BOARD PRIOR TO SCHOOL BOARD IN THE COMMUNITY WHERE HE WAS ADVOCATING FOR JUSTICE AND FIGHTING FOR EQUITY AND REMEMBERED SOME OF THE WORDS THAT HE SHARED WITH ME ABOUT CONTINUE TO BE AS STRONG AN ADVOCATE AS A YOUNG MAN. I WAS SHOWING MY COLLEAGUES THE NUMBER, JUST THE FACT THAT I HAD THIS NUMBER AND WAS ABLE TO REACH OUT TO HIM WHEN NECESSARY. THOSE MOMENTS DON'T COME OFTEN. AND YOU AND YOU VALUE THOSE, THOSE MOMENTS TO HAVE ACCESS TO THAT KIND OF WISDOM AND LEADERSHIP THAT WE HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY THE BLACK COMMUNITY. AND SO THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. GRACEY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. AND COUNCIL MEMBER. MORENO. FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS AND HEARING NOT JUST YOUR COMMUNITY, BUT HEARING THE ENTIRE SOUTHERN DALLAS. AND THIS IS, THIS IS NECESSARY AND I'M DEFINITELY GOING TO SUPPORT THIS. THANK YOU, MISS NORMAN, FOR SHARING YOUR HUSBAND WITH THE ENTIRE CITY OF DALLAS, HIS TRAILBLAZER. AND WE SUPPORT THIS. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR STILL BEING IN IN THE MIX, WORKING AND DOING THIS WORK, BECAUSE THIS IS AN ASSIGNMENT THAT THE LORD HAS GIVEN US. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. AM I MISSING ANYONE? I WANT TO MAKE SURE I DON'T SKIP ANYONE. MISS NORMAN, I WANT TO SAY TO YOU THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE WE'VE TALKED EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THIS, AND I'M GLAD TO SEE ALL THE FOLKS THAT CAME OUT TO SUPPORT YOU IN THIS. THIS IS A A REALLY BEAUTIFUL THING FOR ME TO SEE MYSELF PERSONALLY, TO SEE THE ARRAY OF PEOPLE THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO BRING TOGETHER TO CELEBRATE THE LEGACY OF YOUR HUSBAND. AND I TOLD YOU PRIVATELY, I'LL SAY IT PUBLICLY, SIMILAR TO, I BELIEVE IT WAS MR. CARA WHO POINTED OUT JUST A BEAUTIFUL THING TO SEE. HOW HARD YOU'VE WORKED TO HONOR YOUR HUSBAND'S LEGACY. IT'S VERY TOUCHING TO ME, BUT I DO APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT MR. NORMAN CONTRIBUTED TO OUR CITY AND WHAT HE MEANS TO THIS CITY. AND I APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WERE INVOLVED IN THIS EFFORT, TOO, FOR DOING IT. SO I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A RECORD VOTE ON THIS ONE. AND IF THERE'S NOONE ELSE, WE'LL PROCEED TO CALL THE ROLL. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE STATE YES, IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR. NO. IF YOU'RE OPPOSED. COUNCIL MEMBER. WEST. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. MORENO. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. GRACEY. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BAZALDUA. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BLAIR. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BLACKMON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. STEWART. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. ROTH. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. MENDELSOHN. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. WILLIS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. RIDLEY. YES. DEPUTY MAYOR. PRO TEM. JOHNSON. YES. MAYOR. PRO TEM. RESENDEZ. YES. MAYOR JOHNSON. YES. WITH ALL 15 MEMBERS OF COUNCIL VOTING IN FAVOR, THE ITEM PASSES, MR. MAYOR. [05:00:19] ALL RIGHT. MEMBERS. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A BRIEF RECESS AND LET THE GALLERY CLEAR AND LET PEOPLE TAKE A BREAK IF THEY NEED TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK, BUT WE'LL RECONVENE HERE AT 335. 335. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO GET BACK TO REGULAR SESSION. 348 MADAM SECRETARY, AND LET'S START OUR ZONING AGENDA. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WE'LL BEGIN WITH YOUR ZONING CONSENT AGENDA. YOUR ZONING CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTED OF ITEM Z ONE THROUGH Z NINE. ITEM Z ONE WAS DEFERRED. ITEM Z FOUR HAS BEEN PULLED BY COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA. THEREFORE, YOUR ZONING CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTS OF ITEMS Z TWO, Z THREE AND Z FIVE THROUGH Z NINE. I'LL READ THOSE ITEMS INTO THE RECORD. ITEM Z TWO IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND AN ORDINANCE GRANTING AN AMENDMENT TO THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1606 FOR A MINI WAREHOUSE. USE ON PROPERTY BETWEEN WALTON WALKER BOULEVARD AND DUNCANVILLE ROAD, AKA 2825 SOUTH WALTON WALKER BOULEVARD. ITEM Z THREE IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND AN ORDINANCE GRANTING A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT SUB DISTRICT FOR MF DASH THREE MULTIFAMILY SUB DISTRICT USES ON PROPERTY ON THE EAST CORNER OF GILLESPIE STREET AND WELLBORN STREET, AKA 3618 GILLESPIE STREET. ITEM Z FOUR IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND I'M SORRY. ITEM Z FIVE IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND AN ORDINANCE GRANTING A NEW SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A SELF-SERVICE STORAGE ON PROPERTY ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF MONTFORD DRIVE AND VALLEY VIEW TRAIL. A KA13705 MONTFORD DRIVE. ITEM Z SIX IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND AN ORDINANCE GRANTING AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2420 FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL. USE ON PROPERTY BETWEEN NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, TWIN HILLS CONNECTION AND PARK LANE. A KA9330 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY. ITEM Z SEVEN IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND AN ORDINANCE GRANTING AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2576 FOR AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT LIMITED TO A BAR, LOUNGE OR TAVERN AND COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE. LIMITED TO A DANCE HALL ON PROPERTY ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF NORTH HARWOOD STREET AND PACIFIC AVENUE. A KA1930 PACIFIC AVENUE. ITEM Z EIGHT IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND ONE. AN ORDINANCE GRANTING THE TERMINATION OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 548 FOR AN INSTITUTION OF A CHARITABLE AND PHILANTHROPIC PHILANTHROPIC, PHILANTHROPIC, NATURE AND TWO A NEW SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PRIVATE RECREATION CENTER, CLUB OR AREA USE ON PROPERTY ON THE NORTH CORNER OF FELLOWS LANE AND HULL AVENUE, AND ITEM Z NINE IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND AN ORDINANCE GRANTING AN AMUSEMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2019 FOR A BAR, LOUNGE OR TAVERN AND AN INSIDE COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT LIMITED TO A LIVE MUSIC VENUE ON PROPERTY ON THE SOUTH LINE OF ELM STREET, WEST OF NORTH CROWDED STREET. A KA2640 ELM STREET. YOU DO HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON A FEW OF YOUR ZONING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. ITEM Z FIVE KEISHA K. KEISHA K IS NOT PRESENT. ITEM Z SEVEN. DEBORAH KELLY HILL. IT'S NOT PRESENT. OH I'M SORRY. YES. YOU MAY COME FORWARD. YES. MR.. MAYOR SANTOS MARTINEZ. MISS HILL HAS ASKED THAT WE PULL AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN OFF. CONSENT TO SPEAK AS AN INDIVIDUAL ITEM. I'M SORRY, WHO ARE YOU? THE ITEM IS. IT'S OKAY. DEBORAH KELLY HILL IS A REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON ITEM Z SEVEN AND Z SEVEN IS A PART OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO. HELLO? HELLO. MY NAME IS DEBORAH KELLY HILL AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THIS. [05:05:03] I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO HEAR THIS CASE INDIVIDUALLY. SO MY COUNTERPART. I WOULD LIKE TO BE THE LAST ONE TO SPEAK, PLEASE. OKAY. GO AHEAD. RIGHT. ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN PULL ITEMS OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA. IT'S STILL CURRENTLY ON THE CONSENT AND SPEAKERS ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO PROVIDE COMMENTS. OKAY. OKAY. THERE ARE NO FURTHER COMMENTS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE SHE UNDERSTANDS THAT IF YOU. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON ITEM Z SEVEN, NOW IS YOUR ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON IT. UNLESS A COUNCIL MEMBER WERE TO WERE TO PULL IT, WHICH HAS NOT HAPPENED. SO THIS IS THIS IS KIND OF GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. WE GOT IT. OKAY. IF YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN THE PACKET THAT THEY'VE GOT FROM YOU THAT THEY ALSO HAVE. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. THE MAYOR, CITY MANAGER AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS DEBORAH KELLY HILL, AND I'M I. AND I AM HERE TO SUPPORT MY SON, KEVIN KELLY AND CLUB VIVO. AND I'M REQUESTING A TEN YEAR TERM, BUT I'VE ALSO PROVIDED A PACKAGE FOR YOU ALL. DO YOU ALL HAVE THAT? YES YES, YES. I COME BEFORE YOU ALL WITH RESPECT FOR THE COUNCIL, FOR OUR COMMUNITY, AND FOR WHAT THIS BUSINESS CAN CONTINUE TO CONTRIBUTE TO DALLAS. AS KEVIN'S MOM, I KNOW THAT IT'S. I KNOW THE HEART BEHIND HIS WORK. I WANT TO BRING. HE WANTS TO BRING TOGETHER PEOPLE, CREATE JOBS, GIVE PEOPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO BUILD A BETTER LIFE AND A BETTER FUTURE. WHENEVER WE GO TO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS THAT WE HAVE OPENED, THE FIRST THING THAT WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT AND THAT IS HOW PROUD WE ARE OF DALLAS, TEXAS. I HAVE PROVIDED INFORMATION SO THAT YOU WILL COME MY PART. I'M JUST GIVING A LITTLE CHARACTER ABOUT MR. KELLY. SO I HAVE PROVIDED EACH ONE OF YOU ALL A COPY OF THE D MAGAZINE THAT WILL GIVE A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT KEVIN, SO THAT YOU WOULD KNOW THE PART THAT NOBODY REALLY KNOWS. I'VE ALSO PROVIDED A COPY OF THE COMMUNITY SERVICE OUTREACH PROGRAMS THAT WE'VE DONE IS A FRONT AND BACK. THERE'S A LIST ON THE FRONT AND THERE'S PHOTOGRAPHS ON THE BACK. WHAT I AM HERE TO ASK FOR, I'M LOOKING AT MY MINUTES. AS FOR IS THAT WE BE GIVING MORE TIME. WHEN WE FIRST CAME BEFORE YOU ALL, WE WERE GIVEN 1818 MONTHS FOR OUR ISSUE P. THIS TIME WE WERE ONLY GIVEN TWO YEARS. THE STAFF APPROVED THE TEN YEAR REQUEST THAT WE ASK FOR THE COMMITTEE. THE COUNCIL ONLY APPROVED THE TWO YEARS. SO I AM HERE ASKING FOR US TO BE GIVEN ADDITIONAL TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WHAT PURPOSE, SIR? JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT AND UNDERSTAND IF IT'S APPROPRIATE TO PULL THIS ITEM NOW. I MEAN, IT WOULDN'T BE THE FIRST TIME THAT'S EVER HAPPENED, BUT, I MEAN IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. I THINK YOU WOULD. I MEAN, YOU CAN'T. WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON IT. I'M TOLD THAT THE WILL OF THE BODY CAN CAN DO WHATEVER IT WANTS ON THIS. SO IS THERE IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION TO YOU TAKING IT OFF OF CONSENT AND CONSIDERING IT INDIVIDUALLY, YOU OBJECT. THERE'S AN OBJECTION. SO WE WOULD NEED TO VOTE ON THAT. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT? OKAY. LET'S HAVE A VOTE. THANK YOU. SO PARLIAMENTARY INQUIRY GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR INQUIRY. CAN YOU SHARE THE VOTE? TOTAL REQUIRED FOR PASSAGE OF REMOVING THIS FROM CONSENT. HE'S LOOKING IT'S A IT'S A MOTION AT THIS POINT. IT'S A MOTION TO DIVIDE THE QUESTION IS THAT WHAT HE'S. THAT'S WHAT HE. AND SO I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A SIMPLE MAJORITY. AND IT'S NOT DEBATABLE. THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE A VOTE. THIS IS JUST TO DIVIDE THE QUESTION. THAT'S THE PARLIAMENTARIAN'S RULING. SO ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I MEAN, THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE AYES HAVE IT TO ME. SO THE BOOK SAY THAT THE QUESTION HAS BEEN DIVIDED. AND WAS IT Z7. THAT'S CORRECT, MR. MAYOR. SO YOUR CONSENT AGENDA NOW CONSISTS OF ITEMS Z TWO, [05:10:05] Z THREE AND Z FIVE THROUGH Z FIVE, Z SIX AND Z EIGHT AND Z NINE. OKAY, SO LET'S TAKE UP EVERYTHING BUT Z SEVEN, RIGHT? SECOND WE GOT A MOTION A SECOND ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. SO ALL THOSE NON Z SEVEN PARTS OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE ADOPTED. NOW THAT LEAVES Z7 AND I LEAVES ACTUALLY ITEM Z4 AND Z7 OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA. MR. MAYOR, OKAY, SO WE NEED A MOTION NOW FROM SOMEONE TO PUT THOSE. WELL, ACTUALLY I GUESS TECHNICALLY THEY WERE PUT FORWARD ALREADY. WE VOTED ON THE CONSENT. OKAY. SO I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON NOW, JUST THE JUST THE STRAIGHT UP AND DOWN APPROVAL OF THOSE OTHER TWO OR I MEAN, DO WE HAVE ANY. [Z4. 26-3074A A public hearing to receive comments regarding an application for and an ordinance granting a new subdistrict for specified non-residential uses within Planned Development District No. 605, on the south line of Samuell Boulevard, east of Freestone Circle Recommendation of Staff: Approval, subject to a development plan and conditions Recommendation of CPC: Approval, subject to a development plan and conditions Z-26-000059 *In alignment with ForwardDallas.] WE'LL NOW GO TO YOUR FIRST POLL ZONING ITEM ITEM Z4. ITEM Z4 IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON AN ORDINANCE GRANTING A NEW SUBDISTRICT FOR SPECIFIC NON RESIDENTIAL USES WITHIN PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. DISTRICT NUMBER 605 ON THE SOUTH LINE OF SAMUEL BOULEVARD, EAST OF FREESTONE CIRCLE. MR. MAYOR, WE SENT 52 NOTICES TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 500FT OF THE AREA OF REQUEST. WE RECEIVED ZERO REPLIES IN FAVOR AND FIVE REPLIES IN OPPOSITION. THERE ARE NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM. ARE THERE ANY INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE? I SEE ONE COMING FORWARD. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU MAY BEGIN. GOOD AFTERNOON. ANDREW RUIG 1341 WEST MOCKINGBIRD HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNCILMAN'S OFFICE, AND I BELIEVE THE PLAN IS TO REMAND THIS BACK TO CPC SO WE CAN RE-ADVERTISE AS A SUP FOR THIS CASE. THE APPLICANT TEAM IS IN FULL AGREEMENT WITH THAT. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ITEM Z FOUR? NO FURTHER SPEAKERS, MR. MAYOR. IS THERE A MOTION ON Z FOUR? I MOVE TO REMAND THIS ITEM TO THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION WITH INSTRUCTIONS TO RE NOTICE THE ITEM TO INCLUDE CONSIDERATION OF AN SUP FOR AN AUTO SERVICE CENTER. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION, MR. BAZALDUA? NO, SIR. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ANYONE SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM. [Z7. 26-3077A A public hearing to receive comments regarding an application for and an ordinance granting an amendment to Specific Use Permit No. 2576 for an alcoholic beverage establishment limited to a bar, lounge, or tavern and commercial amusement (inside) limited to a dance hall on property zoned Planned Development District No. 619 with the H/48 Harwood Historic District Overlay, on the southwest corner of North Harwood Street and Pacific Avenue, AKA 1930 Pacific Avenue Recommendation of Staff: Approval for a two-year period, subject to amended conditions Recommendation of CPC: Approval for a two-year period, subject to amended conditions Z-26-000118 *In alignment with ForwardDallas.] ITEM Z SEVEN. IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND AN ORDINANCE GRANTING AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2576 FOR AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT LIMITED TO A BAR, LOUNGE OR TAVERN AND COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE. LIMITED TO A DANCE HALL ON PROPERTY ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF NORTH HARWOOD STREET AND PACIFIC AVENUE. A KA1930 PACIFIC AVENUE. MR. MAYOR, WE SENT NINE NOTICES TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200FT OF THE AREA OF REQUEST. WE RECEIVED ZERO REPLIES IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLIES IN OPPOSITION. YOU HAD ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AND MISS HILL HAS SPOKEN. ARE THERE ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE? I SEE ONE INDIVIDUAL COMING FORWARD. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL SANTOS MARTINEZ, 24, 89 CAMINO PLATA LOOP, NORTHEAST RIO RANCHO, NEW MEXICO, 87144. I JUST WANT TO GO OVER ANOTHER EXHIBIT THAT'S BEEN HANDED OUT AND REMIND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. 18 MONTHS AGO, YOU ASKED US TO PROVE OURSELVES AND YOU GAVE US METRICS TO ABIDE BY. AND THE REASON WE'VE ASKED TO PULL THIS OFF CONSENT IS THAT WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING YOU'VE ASKED US. IF YOU'LL NOTICE ON THIS STAT SHEET, THE 911 CALLS WHEN WE WERE ACTUALLY OPEN IN AN 18 MONTH PERIOD IS FIVE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE ASSAULTS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE INCIDENCE OF OF CALLS, LOOK AT THE LIBRARY ACROSS THE STREET, MAIN STREET GARDEN. THE MCDONALD'S ON ON COMMERCE. LOOK AT CITY HALL. LOOK AT OUR NUMBERS COMPARED TO OUR NEIGHBORS. I WANT TO POINT OUT THE MAJESTIC THEATER OWNED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS. ALL OF THEIR ASSAULT, ALL OF THEIR CRIME STATS ARE FOR EITHER SOMEONE BREAKING INTO A MOTOR VEHICLE OR STEALING A MOTOR VEHICLE. AND WE ALL KNOW THERE'S NOT A PARKING LOT AT THE MAJESTIC, WHICH IS THE SAME IN OUR INSTANCE, WE DO NOT HAVE A PARKING LOT. IT'S ACROSS THE STREET. AND SO I KNOW THAT OUR LAST CONVERSATION THERE WAS, WELL, YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT LOT. [05:15:03] THIS ALSO IMPACTS THE MAJESTIC. BUT TO JUST REITERATE, YOU GAVE US A LIST OF ITEMS TO ABIDE BY. WE DID THOSE ITEMS AND WE'RE HERE TO ASK FOR MORE TIME, RESPECTFULLY, BECAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IF YOU GAVE US 18 MONTHS TO PROVE THAT WE'RE A GOOD OPERATOR, A GOOD NEIGHBOR, AND ALL WE GET IN THE END IS JUST AN EXTRA SIX MONTHS, WE'RE RESPECTFULLY ASKING FOR MORE TIME. IT'S NOTED ON YOUR EXHIBIT. OUR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY ALLOWS US TO HAVE OVER 1800 PEOPLE IN OUR SPACE. THIS IS NOT A SMALL VENUE. IT'S A TWO STORY, FULLY SPRINKLED VENUE. THIS IS A THIS IS SOMETHING I FEEL THAT I THINK SOME OF YOU ON THE COUNCIL MENTIONED IS EXPECTED FOR A VIBRANT DOWNTOWN TO HAVE VENUES LIKE THIS DOWNTOWN. WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST NOT TO COME BACK IN TWO YEARS. WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST FOR MORE TIME THAT THE MATRIX THAT YOU ASKED US TO ABIDE BY. THIS WAS A CONVERSATION WE HAD PLANNED AT PLANNING COMMISSION IS, DID YOU DO WHAT WE ASKED YOU TO DO? AND WITH A RESOUNDING, YES, WE DID. AND THE EVIDENCE IS HERE BEFORE YOU. AGAIN, WITH RESPECT TO WHERE WE ARE DOWNTOWN, LOOK AT OUR NEIGHBORS AND HOW WE'VE RESPONDED. YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR DETAILS THAT WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH OUR SECURITY DETAIL, WHO WE'VE HIRED, WHAT WE'VE DONE INTERNALLY TO MAKE THESE NUMBERS THE WAY THEY ARE TODAY. IT'S NOT A FLUKE THAT JUST FLY BY NIGHT. WE'VE BEEN VERY SERIOUS AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ABIDED BY YOUR STANDARDS. WE RESPECT THE APPROVAL OF RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WE JUST RESPECTFULLY REQUEST FOR MORE TIME BECAUSE WE FEEL WE'VE DONE OUR OUR, OUR JOB OF WHAT YOU ASKED US TO DO. STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS MICHAEL ASHTON. I AM A TARRANT COUNTY GUY, BUT I'M ALSO A VERY PROUD PAUL QUINN GRADUATE. SO I SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN DALLAS, TEXAS. I AM THE MANAGER AT CLUB VIVO. AND I'M HERE TO SHARE THE STEPS THAT WE HAVE TAKEN OVER THIS LAST 18 MONTHS TO, TO CHANGE OUR SECURITY AND OPERATIONS, THAT WE SERVE GUESTS AND ALL PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE ADDED DALLAS POLICE ANY TIME THAT WE OPEN. THAT WAS ADVISED BY COUNSEL. THAT WAS TAKEN UP 18 MONTHS AGO. TWO DALLAS OFF DUTY POLICE OFFICER THERE AT ANY TIME THAT WE'RE OPEN. WE'VE ADDED FEMALES TO OUR SECURITY TEAM. WE'VE STRATEGICALLY PLACED THEM AT THE FRONT DOOR AND IN AND PATROLLING THE BATHROOM AREAS AT THE FRONT DOOR. THEY'RE ABLE TO HELP PAT DOWN AND GO THROUGH METAL DETECTORS AND LOOK THROUGH, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO SEARCH A FEMALE THE WAY A MALE GUARD COULD NOT. AND, AND OF COURSE, IT'S SELF-EXPLANATORY BEING ABLE TO PATROL THE FEMALE BATHROOMS. THE NEXT STEP THAT WE TOOK WAS ADDING ON TO OUR CAMERA SYSTEM. WE'VE ADDED SEVERAL CAMERAS. SO EVERY, EVERY AREA THAT COULD BE POSSIBLY HAVE A VISUAL ISSUE OR A BLIND SPOT, WE MADE SURE THAT WAS TAKEN CARE OF. SO THAT IS OUT INSIDE AND OUTSIDE EVERY, EVERY ENTRANCE, EVERY EXIT. I'M SORRY. LIKE SANTOS STATED, WE AVERAGE ON A NIGHTLY A THOUSAND, A THOUSAND CUSTOMERS. OUR SECURITY TEAM IS NORMALLY BETWEEN 1624 DEPENDING ON THE NIGHT. WITH ABOUT 3 OR 4 FEMALES ADDED IN WITH DPD SECURITY AND A MAJOR PORTION OF OUR SUCCESS ON GETTING ON TRACK, MAKING SURE EVERYONE IS SAFE IS OUR, IS OUR. I'M SORRY, IS OUR OUR MANDATORY BARTENDER AND SERVER TRAINING. WE MAKE SURE WE TAKE, WE TAKE TWO HOURS OUT OF EVERY MONTH TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY BARTENDER IS AWARE, EVERY SERVER UNDERSTANDS WHAT TO DO. WORK TOGETHER. WE WERE, AS EVERYONE IS AWARE, DALLAS HOSTED FIFA THIS PAST SUMMER. WE WERE GRANTED A PERMIT TO HAVE A WATCH PARTY. WITH THAT SAID, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE EMERGENCY EVACUATION PLANS. YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE LARGE CROWD MAINTENANCE, EVERYTHING IS TAKEN CARE OF. SO I BELIEVE WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THAT WAS ASKED OF US BY THE COUNCIL, AND I ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL TIME. RESPECTFULLY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM? ITEM Z SEVEN NO FURTHER SPEAKERS. MR. MAYOR, LOOKING FOR A MOTION? THANK YOU MAYOR. I MOVE TO FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CPC FOR APPROVAL. IT'S BEEN MOVED IN. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? CHAIRMAN RIDLEY ON Z SEVEN. [05:20:02] IT'S JUST THAT FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. JUST THAT I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT WE RENEW THE SUP. THERE WAS NO PROMISE GIVEN AT THE TIME THAT THE 18 MONTHS WAS GRANTED THAT TEN YEARS OR ANY LONG PERIOD OF TIME WOULD BE GIVEN IF THEY MET ANY CRITERIA DURING THAT 18 MONTHS. I NOTE THAT RATHER THAN THERE ONLY BEING 5911 CALL INCIDENTS, THE CITY'S STAFF'S REPORT REFLECTS 40 DIFFERENT INCIDENTS, INCLUDING 15 BMV'S AND TEN ASSAULTS, INCLUDING OF A SECURITY OFFICER AND A PUBLIC SERVANT. THEY HAVEN'T ELIMINATED THE CRIME PROBLEM THERE. YES, THEY'VE TAKEN SOME PROACTIVE STEPS, WHICH IS GREAT. I ENCOURAGE THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S INAPPROPRIATE TO GIVE TEN YEARS TO ANY BORROWER OR LOUNGE. I WOULD SAY WITHOUT MUCH FEAR OF CONTRADICTION, THERE IS NO BAR LOUNGE IN THE CITY THAT HAS A TEN YEAR'S U P THEY CAN COME BACK IN TWO YEARS AND THEY CAN SEEK RENEWAL FOR A LONGER TIME AT THAT TIME. CHAIRMAN GRACEY RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. WE'RE ON AGENDA ITEM Z7. THANK YOU. ONE OF THE REASONS I WANTED TO PULL THIS BECAUSE SO WE COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION AND JUST KIND OF GO BACK AND REMEMBER WHERE THIS, WHERE THEY EVOLVED FROM AND HOW, HOW THEY GOT HERE TODAY. THESE, THESE NUMBERS LOOK A LOT BETTER THAN WHERE THEY WERE BEFORE. EVEN THE REPORTS THAT THEY HAD SOME OF THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT QUESTIONABLE, BUT STILL A LEGITIMATE CONCERN IN TERMS OF HOW THEY WERE FUNCTIONING. THERE OVER THESE LAST 18 MONTHS, THEY'VE, THEY'VE IMPROVED SIGNIFICANTLY AND CONTINUE TO WORK. I TO THINK TEN YEARS IS TOO LONG, BUT I WANTED TO PULL IT TO SEE, AND IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE IS A DISCUSSION FOR IT, BUT I WAS ANY ROOM FOR IT, BUT I WAS GOING TO SEE IF THERE WAS ROOM FOR FIVE YEARS. BUT AGAIN, THEY WENT FROM 18 MONTHS TO TWO YEARS. AND HOPEFULLY WHEN THEY COME BACK IN, IN TWO YEARS, THEY'LL GET ANOTHER ONE. BUT I DO PUBLICLY WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR HOW YOU ALL HAVE CONTINUED TO EVOLVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND, AND CORRECT THOSE THINGS, WHETHER THEY WERE LEGITIMATE OR NOT. Y'ALL WORKED THROUGH THE PROCESS AND CONTINUE TO IMPROVE FROM THERE. SO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MISS MENDELSOHN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. I ACTUALLY WASN'T GOING TO SPEAK ON THIS, AND I THINK TWO YEARS IS AN APPROPRIATE NUMBER. BUT I HAVE TO SAY, WHEN WE GET THIS KIND OF A REPORT, I JUST HAVE TO CALL IT OUT. THIS IS SHOWING FOR ONLY THE HOURS THEY'RE OPEN COMPARED WITH 24 HOUR SERVICE AT ALL THESE OTHER PLACES. SO 7-ELEVEN IS OPEN SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 24 HOURS A DAY. AND SO COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY MENTIONED THE 40 INCIDENCES REPORTED BY STAFF. THIS IS SHOWING FIVE I'M SORRY, 18. IT'S 40. AND THAT WOULD PUT THEM IN A VERY DIFFERENT PLACE. THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE A VERY DIFFERENT CHART. SO YOU CAN'T JUST CHERRY PICK OH THESE ARE THE HOURS WE'RE OPEN BECAUSE THE OTHER PLACES ARE OPEN A LOT MORE HOURS. THIS IS NOT APPLES TO APPLES, AND THIS MAKES PEOPLE SUSPICIOUS WHEN YOU DON'T SHOW THE REAL DATA. YOU WANT TO SHOW APPLES TO APPLES? GREAT. BUT THIS ISN'T IT. AND SO I'M CALLING THIS OUT. I AGREE, I'VE NEVER SEEN SUP FOR A BAR FOR TEN YEARS AND ANY PART OF OUR CITY. SO I HOPE THAT THE CITY NEVER LETS ANY BAR CLUB HAVE TEN YEARS. THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS. SO THIS ENTIRE CONVERSATION SEEMS TO BE OFF TRACK. THE STAFF RECOMMENDING TWO YEARS CPC RECOMMENDING TWO YEARS. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE HAD A EXTREMELY LONG CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS 18 MONTHS AGO, AND I'M GLAD NOT TO HAVE IT AGAIN. THANK YOU. MISS BLAIR. YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WHEN I LOOK AT THE INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN, IT SEEMS THAT STAFF RECOMMENDATION. CAN I ASK STAFF TO TO. COME UP, PLEASE? IT. IS THIS ACCURATE? I DON'T. OKAY. THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THAT DOESN'T ADD UP. AND. MAY 20TH 21ST. FIRST IT SAYS STAFF RECOMMENDATION BY THE INFORMATION THAT THEY THEY GAVE US WAS FOR TEN YEARS SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS. BUT THE REPORT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS FOR TWO YEARS, WHICH WAS IT? YES. SO INITIAL THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. INITIALLY AT CPC STAFF DID RECOMMEND TEN YEARS. CPC OF COURSE, DID NOT FOLLOW OUR RECOMMENDATION AND WENT WITH TWO YEARS. [05:25:02] SO WHEN EVALUATING BEFORE COUNCIL, WE DID GO AHEAD AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO ALIGN WITH CPC'S RECOMMENDATION. SO YOUR ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR TEN YEARS? IT WAS FOR TEN YEARS. THAT'S CORRECT. HOW MANY OTHER BARS ARE OR ESTABLISHMENT THAT YOU GUYS RECOMMEND FOR TEN YEARS? SO I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I WILL SAY THAT I KNOW MANY OF YOU HAVE NOTICED, AND WE'VE GOTTEN LOTS OF COMMENTS FROM CPC AS WELL ON OUR WITH CONCERN WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR NO TIME PERIODS ON MANY SUPS. SO IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR STAFF TO RECOMMEND NO TIME PERIOD, BUT TYPICALLY THAT'S NOT HOW IT PANS OUT IN THE END. SO OKAY. SO IS IT OKAY? SO THEN LET ME YOU OPEN THE DOOR. SO I'M GOING TO WALK THROUGH IT. SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT STAFF IS TRYING TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SUP FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME AND NOT FOR SHORT PERIODS OF TIME. AND THAT'S WHY YOU HINT YOU GOT THE ORIGINAL REQUEST FOR TEN YEARS AND NOT TWO YEARS. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT. THAT'S CORRECT. YES. AND IT WAS IN BASED IN AND I DO REMEMBER THAT STAFF LOOKS AT CRIME STATS WHEN THEY LOOK AT WHEN THEY'RE MAKING THEIR RECOMMENDATION. SO DID YOU ACTUALLY DID YOU DID STAFF ACTUALLY LOOK AT CRIME STATS FOR THIS PARTICULAR CASE WHEN THEY MADE THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION OF TEN YEARS? NO, AND I WILL SAY THAT TYPICALLY CRIME STATS DO NOT PLAY INTO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. WE ARE LOOKING AT LAND USE COMPATIBILITY AND LAND USE, NOT AT THE OPERATOR OR NOT AT THE CRIME. HOWEVER, WE DO KNOW THAT THAT IS AN IMPORTANT FACTOR FOR CPC AND COUNCIL, ESPECIALLY FOR FOR COUNCIL. SO WE INCLUDE THE INFORMATION THAT'S PROVIDED TO US BY DPD. WE DON'T REALLY DO A STRICT ANALYSIS ON IT. BUT WE DID TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE LAND USE. I MEAN, IN DOWNTOWN. THAT'S PROBABLY THE APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR ENTERTAINMENT USES TO MAYBE HAVE A LONGER TIME PERIOD. BUT WE DID END UP GOING WITH TWO YEARS TO SEE, TO REEVALUATE. AND THEN IN THE FUTURE, DETERMINE IF IT SHOULD HAVE A LONGER TIME PERIOD. SO WHEN, WHEN THIS CASE CAME BACK BEFORE CPC THIS LAST TIME, AND I REMEMBER I WAS ON CPC WHEN IT WHEN THAT WAS ONE OF MY LAST CASES BEFORE ROLLING OFF OF CPC. AND ONE OF THE LONG CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT THE CRIME IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. AND AT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION WHEN YOU GUYS MADE THE EVALUATION, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE DECIDING FACTOR. AND LET'S BE HONEST, THAT WAS A DECIDING FACTOR WHEN IT ORIGINALLY CAME THROUGH CPC AND IT CAME TO COUNCIL WITH 18 MONTHS RECOMMENDATION. SO DID WHEN WHEN CPC LOOKED AT THIS THIS TIME AROUND, DID THEY NOT ALSO LOOK TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING THAT WAS REQUESTED OF THEM, THEY HAD DONE? THEY DID. YES. THAT WAS PART OF THEIR DETERMINING FACTOR. SO IF YOU WEREN'T GOING TO GIVE THEM TEN YEARS, WHAT WOULD YOU. WELL, I KNOW THAT'S A THAT'S A RHETORICAL QUESTION. SO I, I, I'M HARD PRESSED TO SAY TWO YEARS. BUT I ALSO AM HARD PRESSED TO SAY TEN YEARS. I AND THIS IS THIS WITH TWO YEARS WITH NO AUTO RENEWAL. THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S TWO YEARS. AND THEY WOULD NEED TO COME BACK AND APPLY. TO GET AN EXTENDED TIME PERIOD. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE AUTOMATIC RENEWALS. I'M I'M I'M REALLY HARD PRESSED. SO I'M I'M GOING TO ASK. COUNCILMAN. MAYOR. MAY I ASK COUNCILMAN RIDLEY A QUESTION, PLEASE? IF HE'LL ANSWER YOU. SURE. MAY I ASK COUNCIL MEMBER, I DO KNOW THAT TEN YEARS IS WAY TOO LONG. AND IF THEY'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE SAID THEY WOULD THAT THEY WERE REQUIRED TO DO, WOULD YOU CONSIDER THREE YEARS? I PREFER TO STICK WITH CPC'S RECOMMENDATION. THEY HAD AN EXTENSIVE HEARING ABOUT THIS SUBJECT. THEY CONSIDERED THE CRIME RECORD, WHICH IS MUCH LONGER THAN THE APPLICANT HAS REPRESENTED IT TO BE. THEY STILL HAVE AN ISSUE WITH CRIME. YES, THEY'VE TAKEN SOME STEPS, BUT I THINK THEY THAT NEEDS TO BE REFLECTED IN THE ACTUAL CRIME STATS BEFORE WE CAN CONSIDER A LONGER TERM. SO I'M STICKING WITH THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU. OKAY. CHAIRWOMAN STEWART, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. [05:30:02] I DO REMEMBER THIS CASE FROM 18 MONTHS AGO, AND I DO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE CHANGES THAT YOU'VE MADE. I WAS VERY GLAD TO HEAR ABOUT THE FEMALE SECURITY OR FEMALE POLICE OFFICERS, THE OFF DUTY POLICE OFFICERS WHERE THEY'RE PATROLLING THE TRAINING THAT YOU'RE MAKING SURE THAT YOUR SERVERS AND BARTENDERS HAVE ALL OF THOSE, ALL OF THAT THOSE ARE STEPS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY, I DO APPRECIATE THAT, BUT I WILL I DO WANT TO GO ON RECORD AS SAYING THIS. AND LET ME JUST READ WHAT THIS SGP HAS BEEN REQUESTED FOR, FOR AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT LIMITED TO A BAR, LOUNGE, LOUNGE OR TAVERN AND COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE, LIMITED TO A DANCE HALL ANY SUP FOR BAR, LOUNGE OR TAVERN IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, SHOULD NOT HAVE A TEN YEAR TIME TIME FRAME. THAT'S THAT'S TOO LONG. NOT SPECIFICALLY TO YOU ALL, BUT JUST IN GENERAL. THAT'S WAY TOO LONG. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN ON THAT. THE BUSINESS THAT YOU'RE IN IS JUST A BIT RISKY, RIGHT? YOU'RE, YOU'RE MIXING ALCOHOL IN WITH ENTERTAINMENT AND IT'S JUST A BIT RISKY AND TEN YEARS, WE JUST NEED YOU ALL TO COME IN AND CHAT WITH US AND TELL US HOW THINGS ARE GOING. YOU KNOW, EVERY MAYBE EVERY THREE YEARS. IT JUST IS THAT TYPE OF SITUATION THAT I THINK JUST REQUIRES SOME, A LITTLE HIGHER LEVEL OF ACCOUNTABILITY THAN MAYBE OTHER BUSINESSES. SO I JUST WANTED TO GO ON RECORD THAT THE TEN YEARS IS A, A NO FOR ME, NOT JUST FOR THIS BAR, BUT FOR ANY BAR. IT'S JUST TOO LONG. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MISS MIDDLETON, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. REALLY? THIS IS FOR THE CITY MANAGER. I'M CONCERNED WHAT WE HEARD FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES THAT THERE ARE NOT CONSISTENT STANDARDS FOR TIME FRAMES. SO WHEN IT WAS SAID THAT NO, THEY'RE NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHERS THAT HAVE A TEN YEAR, BUT THAT WAS THEIR RECOMMENDATION. I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO PLEASE WORK WITH THEM SO THAT WE'RE NOT CHERRY PICKING WHO WE LIKE, WHO WE DON'T LIKE, BUT THERE SHOULD BE A SET RANGE. THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF GRID THAT SAYS IT'S IT'S A CONVENIENCE STORE, BLAH, BLAH. BUT THAT WAS VERY ALARMING TO ME. AND IT'S ALARMING TO ME BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE ERRORS, FRANKLY, IN CASES INVOLVING DISTRICT 12, WHERE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DON'T HAVE VERY SET. THIS SHOULD BE ALMOST FORMULAIC. AND SO I'M CONCERNED WITH THAT, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO WORK WITH THEM TO DEVELOP CONSISTENT STANDARDS SO THAT IT'S RELIABLY EXPECTED WHAT COULD BE, WHAT COULD BE OFFERED, WHAT COULD BE ASKED FOR, WHAT COULD BE OBTAINED. BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN LIMITS ON CERTAIN KINDS OF USES. IT IS CERTAINLY NOT ABOUT WHO YOU ARE, IT IS ABOUT EXACTLY THAT KIND OF USE. AND SO JUST LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART WAS SAYING, IF YOU'RE A CLUB LIKE TEN YEARS SHOULD NOT EVEN BE, IT SHOULD NOT EVEN BE ON A PIECE OF PAPER. IT SHOULD NOT BE ANYWHERE DIGITAL. AND SO I HOPE THAT YOU WILL GO BACK AND SAY, LOOK, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, THIS SHOULD BE A NORMAL IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, IT SHOULD BE THIS. AND THEN EVERY BUSINESS HAS A FAIR SHOT AT KNOWING WHAT TO EXPECT. AND, YOU KNOW. AND YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY BECAUSE I FOUND THAT TO BE A VERY ALARMING CONVERSATION. THANK YOU, MISS BLAIR. CHAIRWOMAN BLAIR, WE'RE COMING BACK TO YOU FOR THREE MINUTES. AND THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH WITH MISS MENDELSOHN THAT IF AND I BELIEVE THAT IF THIS HAD NOT COME WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF TEN YEARS AND SOMETHING THAT WAS SHORTER FROM PLANNING AND WE WOULD HAVE NOT, WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MAYBE SEE A DIFFERENT VISION OF TEN YEARS VERSUS TWO YEARS. THE EXTENDED TEN YEAR'S U. P RECOMMENDATION FROM CPC S THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION LEAVES HEARTBURN, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS. I DON'T BELIEVE FOR THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS, WE SHOULD HAVE EVEN SEEN TEN YEARS. AND THEN TO HEAR THAT THEY THEY ADJUSTED THE TIME IT DOWN WHEN IT LEFT CPC TO GET TO CITY COUNCIL FOR TWO YEARS. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S NOT CONSISTENT. SO WHERE I AGREE, I WOULD PREFER A LONGER PERIOD THAN TWO YEARS, BUT I DON'T THINK WE COULD. [05:35:04] I DON'T THINK THAT THIS COUNCIL IS ABLE TO ACCEPT IT AT THIS POINT IN TIME. SO I TO COUNCIL, I MEAN CITY MANAGER WOULD ASK THAT YOU ASK STAFF TO BE CONSISTENT AND BE MORE REALISTIC AND THEN NOT CHANGE FROM THE TIME OF WHAT THEY MADE THE RECOMMENDATION. THERE WAS NO NEW PRESENTATION OF MATERIAL FROM THE TIME THEY MADE THE, THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION OF TEN YEARS. AND THEY COME HERE AND THEY SHOW TWO YEARS. I CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THAT. IT'S HARD TO TO DISCUSS THAT. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST Z SEVEN? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. ALL RIGHT, LET'S KEEP GOING. THANK YOU, MR. [PH1. 26-3081A A public hearing to receive comments regarding an application for and an ordinance granting amendments to Division 51A-7.900 of the Dallas Development Code to create a new subdistrict within the Downtown Special Provision Sign District (SPSD) and a reduction in area of the Downtown Perimeter Subdistrict within the Downtown SPSD on property zoned Subarea A, B, C, D and E of Subdistrict 68 within Planned Development District No. 193, the Oak Lawn Special Purpose District, bounded by McKinney Avenue, North Harwood Street, Olive Street and Woodall Rodgers Freeway, AKA 2000 McKinney Avenue Recommendation of Staff: Approval, subject to conditions Recommendation of CPC: Approval, subject to amended conditions Recommendation of SSDAC: Approval, subject to conditions Z-26-000116 *In alignment with ForwardDallas.] MAYOR. YOUR NEXT ITEM IS PH ONE. PH ONE IS A PUBLIC HEARING. TO RECEIVE COMMENTS REGARDING AN APPLICATION FOR AN ORDINANCE GRANTING AMENDMENTS TO DIVISION 51, A DASH 7.900 OF THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE TO CREATE A NEW SUB DISTRICT WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN SPECIAL PROVISION SIGN DISTRICT S D AND A REDUCTION IN AREA OF THE DOWNTOWN PERIMETER SUB DISTRICT WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN SPD ON PROPERTY BOUNDED BY MCKINNEY AVENUE, NORTH HARWOOD STREET, OLIVE STREET AND WOODALL RODGERS FREEWAY, AKA 2000 MCKINNEY AVENUE. THERE ARE NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM. AND I HAVE A SPEAKER AT THE PODIUM. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. CARL CROWLEY, 1341 WEST MOCKINGBIRD LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS, REPRESENTING TEXAS CAPITAL BANK. THIS IS A A CHANGEABLE MESSAGE SIGN. THERE ARE NO THEY'RE NOT REALLY TICKER SIGNS. WE'VE LEARNED THAT IN OUR PROCESS. I'M REALLY HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL. I GUESS RECENTLY LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS APPROVED ONE FOR OUR NEIGHBOR. WE'RE A MUCH SMALLER OKAY, I'LL CALL IT A TICKER SIGN. WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE OAK LAWN COMMITTEE THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THROUGH THE SSDA SEE IF YOU APPROVE IT. WE'LL GO BACK TO THE SSDAC IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION. BUT THIS IS A SMALL, MOVEABLE, CHANGEABLE MESSAGE SIGNED AS A TICKER SIGN. A MUCH SMALLER THAN THE ONE THAT RECENTLY WAS APPROVED. SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. A REPRESENTATIVE FROM TEXAS CAPITAL IS ALSO HERE. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON PAGE ONE? NO FURTHER SPEAKERS. MR. MAYOR, LOOKING FOR A MOTION MOVE APPROVAL. PER THE CPC RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. NOW, IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT? OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. FIVE MINUTES, MR. RIDLEY, IF YOU WANTED. NO COMMENTS. ANYONE HAVE ANY? NO. OKAY. WELL, THEN, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. NEXT ITEM. ITEM TWO IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE COMMENTS REGARDING AN APPLICATION FOR AN [PH2. 26-3082A A public hearing to receive comments regarding an application for and an ordinance granting amendments to Division 51A-7.1500 of the Dallas Development Code to create new subdistrict within the McKinney Avenue Special Provision Sign District on property zoned LC Light Commercial Subdistrict within Planned Development No. 193, with a McKinney Avenue Perimeter Subdistrict SPSD Overlay, on the north corner of North Hall Street and Oak Grove Avenue, AKA 3301 Oak Grove Avenue Recommendation of Staff: Approval, subject to conditions Recommendation of CPC: Approval, subject to amended conditions Recommendation of SSDAC: Approval, subject to conditions Z-26-000155 *In alignment with ForwardDallas.] ORDINANCE GRANTING AMENDMENTS TO DIVISION 51A-7.1500 OF THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE TO CREATE NEW SUB DISTRICT WITHIN THE MCKINNEY AVENUE SPECIAL PROVISION SIGNED DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ON THE NORTH CORNER OF NORTH HALL STREET AND OAK GROVE AVENUE. A KA3301 OAK GROVE AVENUE. THERE ARE NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM, BUT I HAVE A SPEAKER AT THE PODIUM. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU MAY BEGIN. THANK YOU. PHILIP KINGSTON 3701 TURTLE CREEK. I'M REALLY JUST HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. THIS IS GOING TO BE A DUAL CONCEPT AC AND MOXY HOTEL FROM MARRIOTT. THE IT'S IN A WEIRD BLOCK OF UPTOWN WHERE LITERALLY THIS ONE BLOCK HAD EXTREMELY RESTRICTIVE SIGN RULES. AND IF YOU CROSS NOBLE AVENUE, WHICH IS NOT A BIG STREET AT ALL, YOU GET MASSIVE SIGNAGE RIGHTS ALL UP AND DOWN MCKINNEY AVENUE. AND SO THIS MERELY ALLOWS US TO HAVE VERY NORMAL HOTEL SIGNAGE ON THE FACADE AT THE TOP AND AT THE BOTTOM. AND WE'RE STRICTLY LIMITED TO 650FT². SO I DON'T THINK WE NEVER HAD ANY OPPOSITION FROM ANYBODY. WE REACHED OUT TO EVERYBODY WE COULD FIND. AND, AND EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE IN FAVOR. I ALSO HAVE TO THANK STAFF, WHICH WORKED INCREDIBLY HARD TO ACCELERATE THE CONSIDERATION OF THIS SIGN DISTRICT AMENDMENT TO MEET MARRIOTT'S GUIDELINES FOR OPENING, WHICH MEANS WE WILL BE OPEN IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM? ITEM FF TWO. NO FURTHER SPEAKERS, MR. MAYOR. IS THERE A MOTION? MOVE APPROVAL PER CPC RECOMMENDATION. IT'S BEEN MOVED TO SECOND. [05:40:05] ANY DISCUSSION, CHAIRMAN RIDLEY? NO. ANY DISCUSSION? ANYONE SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. AND LET'S HOLD ON ONE SECOND. NEXT ITEM IS FF FOUR. ITEM FF FOUR IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE COMMENTS REGARDING A PROPOSAL TO CHANGE THE NAME OF HOUSTON STREET [PH4. 26-3065A A public hearing to receive comments regarding a proposal to change the name of Houston Street Bridge (Houston Street Viaduct) between Zang Boulevard and Young Street to “Pettis Norman Bridge” and an ordinance granting the name change - STNAME-26-000005 - Financing: This action has no cost consideration to the City (see Fiscal Information) (This item was deferred on September 9, 2026) *In alignment with ForwardDallas.] BRIDGE, HOUSTON STREET VIADUCT BETWEEN SAINT BOULEVARD AND YONGE STREET TO PETTIS NORMAN BRIDGE AND AN ORDINANCE GRANTING THE NAME CHANGE. THERE ARE NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM. ARE THERE ANY INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM? NO SPEAKERS, MR. MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. MOVE TO DENY IT'S MOVED AND SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. NEXT ITEM. OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE AHEAD. PH SIX IS A PUBLIC HEARING. [PH6. 26-2927A A public hearing (1) to receive comments regarding an application by EC Carpenter’s Point, LLC and/or its affiliate(s) (collectively referred to as Applicant), to the Texas Department of Housing and Community Affairs (TDHCA) for 2026 4% Non-Competitive Low Income Housing Tax Credits for Carpenter’s Point, a 150-unit senior residential development for persons of low and moderate income to be located at 4645 Dolphin Rd., Dallas, Texas, 75223 (Project); and (2) pursuant to Section 394.9025 of the Texas Local Government Code regarding bonds to be issued by the City of Dallas Housing Finance Corporation to finance the Project; and, at the close of the public hearing, (3) authorize a Resolution of No Objection for Applicant, related to its upcoming application to the TDHCA for the Project - Financing: This action has no cost consideration to the City (see Fiscal Information) *In alignment with Dallas Housing Resource Catalog.] ONE TO RECEIVE COMMENTS REGARDING AN APPLICATION BY S.E. CARPENTER'S POINT LLC AND OR ITS AFFILIATE, COLLECTIVELY REFERRED TO AS APPLICANT TO THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS. THCA FOR 2026 4% NONCOMPETITIVE LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS FOR CARPENTERS POINT, A 150 UNIT SENIOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR PERSONS OF LOW AND MODERATE INCOME, TO BE LOCATED AT 4645 DOLPHIN ROAD, DALLAS, TEXAS. 75223 PROJECT AND TWO PURSUANT TO SECTION 394.9025 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE REGARDING BONDS TO BE ISSUED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION TO FINANCE THE PROJECT AND AT THE CLOSE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, THREE AUTHORIZED A RESOLUTION OF NO OBJECTION FOR APPLICANT RELATED TO ITS UPCOMING APPLICATION TO THE TDHCA FOR THE PROJECT. THERE ARE NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM. ARE THERE ANY INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ITEM FF SIX? NO SPEAKERS, MR. MAYOR. LOOKING FOR A MOTION? ANYONE ANY COUNCIL MEMBER. OH, THERE YOU GO. ALL RIGHT. WAS THERE A SECOND? OKAY. IT'S MOVED. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? PROBABLY NOT. ALL RIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. NEXT ITEM. ITEM FF SEVEN IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE COMMENTS ON AN APPLICATION [PH7. 26-3181A A public hearing to receive comments on an application for and a resolution granting a variance to the alcohol spacing requirements from a church [Steven Temple Church] as required by Section 6-4 of the Dallas City Code to allow a mixed beverage permit pursuant to Chapter 28 of the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Code, for a restaurant without drive-in or drive-through service with a food and beverage certificate [La Reyna Rental Properties, LLC - DBA La Reyna’s Micheladas], on the southeast corner of Alabama Avenue and East Saner Avenue - AV256-004/CPR-26-000301 - Financing: No cost consideration to the City Note: This item was held under advisement by Councilmember Lorie Blair at the public hearing on September 23, 2026, and is scheduled for consideration on October 14, 2026. *In alignment with ForwardDallas.] FOR. AND A RESOLUTION GRANTING A VARIANCE TO THE ALCOHOL SPACING REQUIREMENTS FROM A CHURCH. STEPHEN TEMPLE CHURCH AS REQUIRED BY SECTION 6-4 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE TO ALLOW A MIXED BEVERAGE PERMIT PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 28 OF THE TEXAS ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE CODE FOR A RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE IN OR DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE WITH A FOOD AND BEVERAGE CERTIFICATE. ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF ALABAMA AVENUE AND EAST CENTER AVENUE, YOU DO HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. CHARLES COX HAS CANCELED GERALDINE ROGERS. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS GERALDINE ROGERS AND. OKAY. I WAS SAYING GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS GERALDINE ROGERS, AND I ATTEND STEPHEN TEMPLE CHURCH. I'M HERE TO REPRESENT AND EXPRESS MY CONCERN ABOUT THE ALCOHOL BEING SOLD NEXT DOOR TO THE CHURCH. MY CONCERN IS, IN FACT THAT THE ALCOHOL SERVE COULD HAVE AN HAVE ON A VINTAGE. EXCUSE ME. I'M GETTING NERVOUS. SURROUNDING THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS OF STEPHEN TEMPLE. WE HAVE FAMILIES AND CHILDREN'S AND MANY ELDERLY MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY. WE ALSO SERVE FOOD AND GIVE FOOD AND CLOTHES TO OUR COMMUNITY, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THAT AREA. [05:45:06] WE HAVE ACTIVITIES IN GATHERING TAKING PLACE AT THE STEPHEN TEMPLE CHURCH. WE WANT OUR MEMBERS TO BE ABLE TO WORSHIP AND OUR CHILDREN TO FEEL SAFE AND COMFORTABLE WITHOUT HAVING TO DEAL WITH EXCESSIVE NOISE, PUBLIC INTOXICATION. DAMAGE IT. ALCOHOL ACTIVITIES. I AM SIMPLY ASKING THE COUNCIL TO PROTECT THE. THE PEACE AND THE SAFETY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK AND CONSIDER AND CONSIDER MY CHURCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, STACEY HENDERSON. YES. I'M A THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. MAYOR ARE YOU STACEY HENDERSON? YOUR VIDEO IS. YOUR VIDEO IS NOT DISPLAYING. OH. I'M SORRY. LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET IT ON HERE. BUT I AM STACEY HENDERSON. THAT'S SPEAKING. RIGHT. HOWEVER, YOUR VIDEO MUST BE DISPLAYED IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL. OKAY. OKAY. WE CAN SEE YOU. YES. YOU SEE ME NOW. WELL, IT KEEPS GOING IN AND OUT. AM I? AM I STILL THERE? I CAN COME BACK TO YOU. IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE HAVING SOME ISSUES. I MAY HAVE SOMEONE TO REACH OUT TO YOU. OKAY, OKAY, I'LL COME BACK. BRITTANY BANKS. HELLO. GOOD AFTERNOON, HONORABLE MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS BRITTANY BANKS, AND I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF STEVENSON CHURCH, LOCATED AT 344 EAST CENTER AVENUE. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO AGENDA ITEM SEVEN. FOR MORE THAN FIVE DECADES, STEPHEN TEMPLE HAS BEEN A PART OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE WORSHIPED HERE, SERVED HERE, RAISED FAMILIES HERE, AND REMAIN COMMITTED TO THIS COMMUNITY THROUGH GENERATIONS OF CHANGE. AND I WANT TO EMPHASIZE SOMETHING TODAY THAT STEPHEN TEMPLE IS NOT SIMPLY A CHURCH THAT OCCUPIES SPACE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. WE ARE A CHURCH THAT ACTIVELY SERVES THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, WE HAVE HOSTED SUMMER LUNCH PROGRAMS TO HELP FEED CHILDREN. VACATION BIBLE SCHOOL TO PROVIDE POSITIVE ACTIVITIES AND SPIRITUAL EDUCATION. FOOD GIVEAWAYS TO ASSIST FAMILIES FACING HARDSHIP. SCHOOL UNIFORM GIVEAWAYS TO PREPARE CHILDREN FOR THE CLASSROOM AND OUTDOOR EVENTS THAT BRING FAMILIES AND NEIGHBORS TOGETHER. THESE PROGRAMS ARE NOT JUST CHURCH ACTIVITIES, THEY ARE INVESTMENTS IN THE PEOPLE AND FUTURE OF OUR COMMUNITY. OUR DOORS ARE OPEN THROUGHOUT THE WEEK FOR BIBLE STUDY, YOUTH PROGRAMS, PRAYER, WORSHIP, AND FELLOWSHIP. WE SERVE CHILDREN, TEENAGERS, ADULTS, AND SENIOR CITIZENS. WE UNDERSTAND THAT COMMUNITIES GROW AND BUSINESSES NEED OPPORTUNITIES TO SUCCEED. WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR ENTREPRENEURSHIP, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT ECONOMIC GROWTH SHOULD STRENGTHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT INTRODUCE ADDITIONAL CONCERNS FOR THE FAMILIES AND INSTITUTIONS ALREADY WORKING TO IMPROVE IT. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY FACES CHALLENGES, INCLUDING CONCERNS ABOUT. OH. HELLO? HELLO. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY FACES CHALLENGES, INCLUDING CONCERNS ABOUT DRUG ACTIVITY, HOMELESSNESS AND VIOLENCE. AS A CHURCH, WE HAVE CONTINUED TO SERVE DESPITE THOSE CHALLENGES BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THIS COMMUNITY DESERVES BETTER. WE ARE CONCERNED THAT GRANTING AN ALCOHOL SPACING VARIANCE SO CLOSE TO OUR CHURCH COULD INTRODUCE ADDITIONAL RISKS, INCLUDING DISTURBANCES, LOITERING OR IMPAIRED DRIVING. WE'RE NOT ACCUSING THIS BUSINESS OF WRONGDOING, AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT NOT EVERYONE WHO CONSUMES ALCOHOL ACTS IRRESPONSIBLY. OUR OPPOSITION IS NOT ABOUT JUDGING INDIVIDUALS. IT'S ABOUT PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS ESTABLISHED ALCOHOL SPACING REQUIREMENTS FOR A REASON. THESE PROTECTIONS RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF PLACE OF WORSHIP AND THEIR ROLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THIS COUNCIL TO CONSIDER WHY AN EXCEPTION SHOULD BE GRANTED WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHURCH HAS EXPRESSED LEGITIMATE CONCERNS. I ALSO ASK YOU TO THINK OF THINK BEYOND TODAY. WHAT DO WE WANT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO LOOK LIKE TEN YEARS FROM NOW? DO WE WANT TO SEE STRONGER FAMILIES, SAFER STREETS, MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR CHILDREN AND BUSINESSES THAT CONTRIBUTE POSITIVELY TO THE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT STEVEN TEMPLE HAS BEEN WORKING TOWARDS FOR MORE THAN FIVE DECADES. WHEN WE PROVIDE MEALS AND DISTRIBUTE UNIFORMS AND TEACH THE CHILDREN, WE ARE DOING OUR PART TO BUILD THAT FUTURE. AND WE'RE ASKING THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS TO DO ITS PART BY CAREFULLY CONSIDERING THE LONG TERM IMPACT OF THIS VARIANCE. OUR CHURCH IS NOT ASKING FOR SPECIAL TREATMENT. WE'RE ASKING THAT THE PROTECTION IS ALREADY ESTABLISHED BY THAT TIME. BE RESPECTED. THANK YOU. MR. HENDERSON. YES, I'M. I KEEP GOING BACK AND FORTH. AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T SEE ME NOW. [05:50:07] I'M STILL COMING UP WITH UNVERIFIED, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY. OKAY. IF. YEAH, IF YOUR VIDEO IS NOT DISPLAYING MR. HENDERSON, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM? I SEE A SPEAKER COMING FORWARD. MY NAME IS TOMMY COLEMAN. I'M THE PASTOR OF THE STEPHEN TEMPLE CHURCH WHERE OUR CHURCH IS THERE IN THE COMMUNITY. WE ARE A BEACON LIGHT IN THE COMMUNITY, AS HAS ALREADY BEEN STATED. WE GIVE OUR CLOTHING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE LUNCHES THERE. WE GIVE FOOD OUT AND WE HAVE JUST THINGS ARE SET UP FOR THE COMMUNITY. PEOPLE CAN COME THERE FOR WHATEVER THEY NEEDED. OUR CHURCH HAS BEEN IN THAT COMMUNITY FOR OVER 50 YEARS. WE STARTED OUT AS ONE ONE SMALL BUILDING, BUT THE LORD HAS BLESSED US TO BUY PROPERTY THERE AND WE BUILD A BRAND NEW CHURCH FROM THE GROUND. WE ALSO BUILD A FELLOWSHIP HALL AND WE ARE YET HAVE THE BUILDING THAT WE MOVED OUT THERE IN IS YET THERE. SO WE HAVE THREE BUILDING ALL PAVED ON THE ON THE AREA OUTSIDE. SO WE ARE A WORKING PART OF THAT COMMUNITY. WE'RE NOT SAYING GOING AGAINST A ALCOHOL. WE CAN WALK. I STEP ON THE FRONT PORCH AT MY CHURCH. I CAN LOOK TO THE RIGHT AND THERE IS THREE BLOCKS. THERE IS A MARSHMALLOWS. THEY HAVE A LIQUOR STORE. I LOOK TO THE LEFT 3 OR 4 BLOCKS TO THE LEFT, THERE'S SANTA AND BECKLEY. THEY HAVE LIQUOR STORES. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT WE. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TRYING TO HURT ANYBODY'S BUSINESS. WE'RE NOT. WHEN WE TOOK THAT BROUGHT INTO THAT COMMUNITY, THAT WAS A FURNITURE STORE. WE GOT ALONG WELL WITH THE FURNITURE STORE. BUT IN THE COMMUNITY, YOU SEE A DRUG ADDICT WALK IN THE STREET, YOU SEE ALCOHOLICS WALK IN THE STREET. AND IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S, IT IS, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE TO WANT TO SELL LIQUOR RIGHT NEXT DOOR. YOU GOTTA ORDER THAT IT SAY AT LEAST 300FT. AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ABOUT EIGHT FEET JUST ACROSS THE ALLEY. AND THEY WANT TO SELL SELL LIQUOR. SO I DON'T THINK THAT IS A A RIGHT FOR THE CHURCH. YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, DON'T HAVE NO RESPECT FOR GOD'S HOUSE. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THEM. BUT WHAT, WHAT WHAT WE'RE WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IS, IS STEPHEN'S TEMPLE STANDING STRONG WHERE THEY ARE? GOD BLESS YOU. AND THANK YOU. I'LL BE WITH YOU. MR. HENDERSON, WE CAN SEE YOUR VIDEO. YOU MAY ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL. YOUR AUDIO IS NOT ON, MR. HENDERSON. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES. ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO THANK MAYOR JOHNSON AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR GIVING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY. AND I AM THE ASSISTANT PASTOR AT STEPHEN TEMPLE CHURCH. AND I'M A 22 YEAR OLD RETIRED ARMY VETERAN. MR. HENDERSON. I'M OKAY. KEEP TALKING. I'M SORRY. YES. AND I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS MY CONCERN AS WELL AS THE OTHERS BEFORE ME, THAT I JUST THINK THAT THAT THAT ALCOHOL AND AND MIXED DRINKS TO BE ALLOWED TO BE SERVED NEXT TO THE CHURCH. WE ALREADY KNOW ALCOHOL MIXED DRINKS WILL CHANGE PEOPLE'S BEHAVIOR. AND I JUST THINK THAT EVEN LIKE PASTOR COLEMAN SAID, WE HAVE ENOUGH BEER AND ALCOHOL SALE ON VARIOUS CORNERS THAT WE DO NOT NEED ONE THAT WILL COME DIRECTLY IN CONTACT OR 300FT AWAY FROM THE CHURCH. AND I THINK IT'S A DISRESPECTFUL DISREGARDING THAT, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD THAT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY FOR THE FAMILIES THERE. [05:55:04] AND ALSO, YEAH, IN THAT AREA, FAMILIES ARE MORE IN NEED OF FOOD AND, AND, AND CLOTHING AND MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WOULD TAKE AWAY HAVE A NEGATIVE ACCOUNTABILITY ON THEIR LIVES GOING FORWARD. SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. AND I THANK THE COUNCIL FOR ALLOWING ME THIS TIME AND BEING PATIENT WITH ME WITH THE VIDEO AND THE MUTANT OF MY COMPUTER AS WELL. AND I TRUST THAT WE CAN GET IT RESOLVED TODAY VERSUS ANY OTHER TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM? NO FURTHER SPEAKERS, MR. MAYOR. LOOKING FOR A MOTION? ANYONE MR. MAYOR, I HAVE A MOTION. OH, YES. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THAT PURPOSE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION? I'M SORRY. YES. HOLD ON. I'M SORRY, MR. MAYOR, BECAUSE. THAT'S CORRECT. I'M SORRY. IT'S NOT APPROVAL. IT'S A DENIAL. OKAY. SO YOU RECOGNIZE FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. YES, I'VE HEARD FROM MY COMMUNITY. I THINK THE PASTOR, I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S LEFT OR HE'S STILL HERE. OKAY. I APPRECIATE HIM. I TRIED TO REACH OUT TO HIM AS WELL, BUT I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH STEPHEN'S TEMPLE CHURCH BISHOP ASBURY AND MY FATHER, SUPERINTENDENT H. WATKINS, WERE VERY CLOSE FRIENDS. I WENT TO CRISWELL, WAS SUPERINTENDENT AND BISHOP ASBURY IN HIS LIFETIME. SO I'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR COMMUNITY. AND YOU ARE CORRECT. WE HAVE A LOT OF THOSE ISSUES IN OUR COMMUNITY ON THE SAME CORNER OVER SATURATION OF BEER AND WINE STORES. AND WE'RE ADVOCATING FOR A BETTER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN DISTRICT FOUR. AND SO I HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND I'M GOING TO JUST MAKE THE MOTION TO DENY THIS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION TO DENY ITEM SEVEN? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. NEXT ITEM. WE NOW WILL GO BACK TO ITEM FF 5PH5. [PH5. 26-3180A A public hearing to receive comments regarding a proposal to change the name of North Harwood Street, between Woodall Rodgers Freeway and Harry Hines Boulevard, to “Exchange Place” and an ordinance granting the name change - STNAME-26-000006 - Financing: This action has no cost consideration to the City (see Fiscal Information for potential future costs) Note: This item was held under advisement by Councilmember Jesse Moreno at the public hearing on September 23, 2026, and is scheduled for consideration on October 14, 2026. *In alignment with ForwardDallas.] IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE COMMENTS REGARDING A PROPOSAL TO CHANGE THE NAME OF NORTH HARWOOD STREET BETWEEN WOODALL RODGERS FREEWAY AND HARRY HINES BOULEVARD TO EXCHANGE PLACE. AND AN ORDINANCE GRANTING THE NAME CHANGE. YOU DO HAVE FOUR INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. JUDY HURST. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M JUDY SMITHURST. 2512 THOMAS AVENUE. I'M REPRESENTING THE FRIENDS OF STATE THOMAS FOR STATE THOMAS HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ITS LONG TIME PROTECTORS OF THE STATE THOMAS NEIGHBORHOOD. WE TREASURE AND PROMOTE OUR IDENTITY, OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, IDENTITY. IT'S IMPORTANT FOR NEIGHBORHOODS TO HAVE AN IDENTITY. WE SUPPORT OUR NEIGHBORS REQUEST FOR A STREET NAME CHANGE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD ADJACENT TO US, ADJACENT TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BLOCKS AWAY. THEY WANT TO CHANGE A SMALL SEGMENT OF HARWOOD TO EXCHANGE PLACE FOR A. IT'S JUST A SMALL SEGMENT OF STREET THREE BLOCKS. I BELIEVE THIS WOULD MIRROR A FAMOUS HISTORIC IDENTITY WHERE THE NEW YORK STOCK EXCHANGE IS. THE NEW NAME WOULD PUT DALLAS ON AN INTERNATIONAL MAP, A FINANCIAL POWERHOUSE WITH ITS PROXIMITY TO THE TEXAS STOCK EXCHANGE, TEXAS CAPITAL NEARBY, AND OTHER GREAT FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS. IT MAKES SENSE TO CHANGE THIS NAME OF THIS STREET. IT MAKES SENSE TO MAKE THIS AN IDENTITY FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD IDENTITY WOULD BE CLARIFIED THIS WAY. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ANTHONY PAGE. HELLO. MY NAME IS ANTHONY PAGE. 3600 MCKINNEY AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS. I AM SPEAKING IN MY CAPACITY TODAY AS CHAIRMAN OF THE PUBLIC REALM AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS COMMITTEE OF UPTOWN DALLAS, INC.. MAYOR JOHNSON AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. OUR COMMITTEE REVIEWS STREET NAMING PROPOSALS WITHIN UPTOWN. WE SUPPORT RENAMING THIS DISCONNECTED THREE BLOCK SEGMENT TO EXCHANGE PLACE FOR TWO REASONS. FIRST, ENHANCED WAYFINDING. SECOND PLACE MAKING. I WILL FOCUS ON WAYFINDING. IMAGINE A MOTORIST COMING FROM NORTH DALLAS DOWN THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY, [06:00:03] MERGING ONTO HARRY HINES, HEADING TOWARDS THE DALLAS MUSEUM OF ART, THE NASHER, THE J.W. MARRIOTT, THE DALLAS FARMERS MARKET, OR DOZENS OF OTHER DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES ENTERING THE URBAN CORE. THAT DRIVER SEES THE HARWOOD STREET SIGN AND LOGICALLY MAKES A LEFT TURN, EXPECTING TO FOLLOW HARWOOD INTO THE ARTS DISTRICT IN DOWNTOWN. INSTEAD, THE STREET TERMINATES ABRUPTLY THREE SHORT BLOCKS LATER AT KLYDE WARREN PARK. A STREET NAME HERE IS MORE THAN AN ADDRESS. IT IS A NAVIGATIONAL CUE. HERE THAT CUE POINTS DRIVERS TOWARDS A ROUTE THAT DOES NOT EXIST. GIVING A SEGMENT A DISTINCT NAME WOULD MAKE OUR STREET SIGNS BETTER REFLECT THE ACTUAL GEOGRAPHY. DOZENS OF DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES HAVE HARWOOD STREET ADDRESSES, BUT MOTORISTS CANNOT REACH THEM BY CONTINUING ALONG THIS DISCONNECTED SEGMENT. NO EXISTING BUSINESSES ON THIS SEGMENT USE A HARWOOD STREET ADDRESS SO THE RENAMING WOULD NOT REQUIRE THEM TO CHANGE THEIR ADDRESSES. THIS IS A NARROWLY DEFINED CHANGE. THE HARWOOD NAME WOULD REMAIN ALONG THE REST OF THE STREET, AND THE BOUNDARIES AND PROTECTIONS OF THE HARWOOD STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT WOULD REMAIN INTACT. THESE UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCES PROVIDE A SOUND BASIS FOR THE REQUESTED WAIVER. WE CAN RESPECT DALLAS HISTORY WHILE MAKING THE CITY EASIER TO NAVIGATE. WE ARE PLEASED TO BE SUPPORTED IN THIS EFFORT BY THE GREATER DALLAS PLANNING COUNCIL, WHICH IS ENDORSING THIS PROPOSAL. BOTH NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATIONS, THE UPTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE FRIENDS OF SAINT THOMAS HISTORIC DISTRICT SUPPORT THE CHANGE. THE FRIENDS ARE LED BY NOTED DALLAS HISTORIAN JUDY HURST, FROM WHOM YOU JUST HEARD. THERE IS NO KNOWN OPPOSITION. WE RESPECTFULLY URGE YOU TO APPROVE THE WAIVER AND THE RENAMING TO EXCHANGE PLACE. I WOULD NOW LIKE TO INTRODUCE UDI'S EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR KELLAN LUTZ, WHO WILL FOCUS ON THE PLACEMAKING ASPECTS. YOUR NEXT SPEAKER? KELLAN LUTZ THANK YOU, TONY. HELLO. HONORABLE MAYOR, HONORABLE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY PERSONAL COUNCILMAN RIDLEY AND THE HONORABLE CITY MANAGER. MY NAME IS KELLAN LUTZ. I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF UPTOWN DALLAS, INC.. MY WORK ADDRESS IS 3600 MCKINNEY AVENUE. 75204. MY HOME ADDRESS IS 3030 MCKINNEY AVENUE. 75204. TONY ADDRESSED THE THE WAYFINDING, AND AS HE MENTIONED, I'LL I'LL TALK ABOUT PLACEMAKING. ON BEHALF OF UPTOWN DALLAS, INC., WE WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS OUR SUPPORT FOR THE PROPOSED RENAMING OF THE SEGMENT OF NORTH HARWOOD STREET BETWEEN WOODALL, RODGERS AND HARRY HINES TO EXCHANGE PLACE. WE RECOGNIZE AND APPRECIATE THE IMPORTANCE OF PRESERVING DALLAS HISTORICAL STREET NAMES, HOWEVER, WE BELIEVE THAT THE SEGMENT UNDER CONSIDERATION PRESENTS A UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES. STANCE THAT DISTINGUISHES IT FROM THE PRINCIPAL HARWOOD STREET CORRIDOR. THE PROPOSED NAME. EXCHANGE PLACE OFFERS A TIMELY OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE UPTOWN'S GROWING IMPORTANCE AS A FINANCIAL SERVICES CENTER, PARTICULARLY WITH THE ARRIVAL OF THE TEXAS STOCK EXCHANGE, WHICH WILL SOON BE HOUSED IN UPTOWN. AS THE CITY OF DALLAS CONTINUES TO ESTABLISH ITSELF AS A MAJOR NATIONAL FINANCIAL CENTER, THE PROPOSED NAME WOULD REINFORCE UPTOWN'S IDENTITY AS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE EMERGING FINANCIAL SERVICES CORRIDOR, OFTEN REFERRED TO AS Y'ALL STREET. Y'ALL STREET. WE SEE THIS AS A COMPLEMENTARY BENEFIT THAT SUPPORTS UPTOWN'S CONTINUED ECONOMIC VITALITY AND ATTRACTIVENESS TO FINANCIAL SERVICES SERVICES, EMPLOYERS. UT VIEWS THOUGHTFUL STREET NAMING AS ONE ELEMENT OF CREATING A DISTINCTIVE URBAN ENVIRONMENT THAT CLEARLY ALIGNS WITH OUR IDENTITY. UPTOWN DALLAS, INC. DOES NOT TYPICALLY WEIGH IN ON THESE TYPES OF ISSUES, SUCH AS WHAT IS IN FRONT OF US TODAY. HOWEVER, WE FEEL STRONGLY ENOUGH ABOUT THIS ISSUE THAT THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF MY BOARD HAS VOTED UNANIMOUSLY FOR ME TO BE HERE TO EXPRESS OUR POSITION, AND THAT IS THAT WE BELIEVE UPTOWN TO BE VERY MUCH THE CORE OF THE WALL STREET. WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT THIS CHANGE IS NOT ONLY GOOD FOR FOR UPTOWN, IT WILL BE A MAJOR WIN FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS AS WE COLLECTIVELY COMPETE WITH OTHER CITIES IN THE DFW AREA TO LAY CLAIM TO WALL STREET. WE RECOGNIZE THAT REASONABLE PERSPECTIVES DIFFER ON THIS PROPOSAL, AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION OF THE ISSUES INVOLVED, AND WE RESPECTFULLY ENCOURAGE YOUR YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SERVICE TO DISTRICT 14 AND AND THE CITY OF DALLAS AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO THE FUTURE OF UPTOWN AND THE CITY OF DALLAS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SUZANNE CATRON. [06:05:10] GOOD AFTERNOON. SUZANNE KEDRON 2323. ROSS. I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF NAMING RENAMING THIS LIMITED SEGMENT OF HARWOOD TO EXCHANGE PLACE. AS YOU HAVE HEARD FROM SEVERAL SPEAKERS TODAY, THIS NAME REPRESENTS THE FUTURE OF DALLAS AS A SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL CENTER. MORE SPECIFICALLY, IT PLANTS A FLAG RECOGNIZING UPTOWN AS THE HEART OF OUR GROWING FINANCIAL SERVICES SECTOR. IT'S A MEANINGFUL REQUEST FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. EXCHANGE PLACE RECOGNIZES THAT THIS LOCATION WILL BE HOME OF THE TEXAS STOCK EXCHANGE. MAJOR FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS INCLUDING MORGAN STANLEY, GOLDMAN SACHS, TEXAS CAPITAL, AND THEY'RE ALL ALREADY WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF THIS LOCATION WHILE CHANGING A STREET NAME BY ITSELF. BRING MORE FINANCIAL SERVICES COMPANIES TO UPTOWN KNOW. AND THAT IS NOT THE INTENT. THE INDUSTRY IS ALREADY HERE. THE PURPOSE IS TO GIVE THAT ESTABLISHED ECONOMIC ACTIVITY A CLEAR IDENTITY AND A RECOGNIZABLE ADDRESS. THERE IS ALSO NO MEANINGFUL BURDEN ON EXISTING PROPERTY OWNERS OR BUSINESSES. DCAD RECORDS SHOW THAT EVERY ABUTTING PROPERTY HAS AN ADDRESS OTHER THAN THIS STREET, EXCEPT FOR THE FUTURE TEXAS STOCK EXCHANGE SITE. GRANITE PROPERTIES, THE OWNER OF MCKINNEY OLIVE, INITIALLY SUBMITTED A LETTER OF OPPOSITION BECAUSE IT BELIEVED IT HAD A TENANT THAT ADDRESSED ON THAT STREET. AFTER VERIFYING THAT THE TENANT DID NOT HAVE AN ADDRESS ON THAT STREET, GRANITE PROPERTIES WITHDREW ITS OPPOSITION AND IS NOW IN FULL SUPPORT, WHICH YOU HAVE IN WRITING. THE PROPOSAL HAS COMMUNITY WIDE SUPPORT FROM UPTOWN DALLAS INC., KLYDE, WARREN PARK, GRANITE PROPERTIES, FRIENDS OF SAINT THOMAS, UPTOWN DALLAS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND OTHERS. THE REQUEST IS ALSO SUPPORTED BY THE CITY'S CODIFIED STREET NAMING STANDARDS, WHICH REQUIRES DIFFERENT NAMES WHEN THE ROADWAY IS INTERRUPTED OR OFFSET BY MORE THAN 150FT. IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, THE ROADWAY IS OFFSET BY ANYWHERE FROM 361FT TO 1118FT AT KLYDE WARREN PARK. ADDITIONALLY, THE CODE REQUIRES A DIFFERENT NAME WHEN A MINOR ROADWAY DEVIATES FROM A PREDOMINANT COURSE AT A 90 DEGREE ANGLE FOR MORE THAN 300FT, WHICH IS PRECISELY THE SITUATION NORTH PART OF HARWOOD. THIS PROPERTY ALSO PRESERVES A HISTORIC STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH IS LOCATED DOWNTOWN, A SUBSTANTIAL DISTANCE AWAY. EXCHANGE PLACE SERVES A LEGITIMATE CIVIC AND BRANDING PURPOSE. CITIES FREQUENTLY USE STREET NAMES AND LANDMARK ADDRESSES TO HELP IDENTIFY MAJOR INSTITUTION AND ECONOMIC CENTERS. EXAMPLES INCLUDE ONE COWBOYS WAY IN FRISCO, ONE TNT WAY IN ARLINGTON, WHERE THE STREET NAME ITSELF REINFORCES THE IDENTITY OF A SIGNIFICANT DESTINATION. THE NAMES DO NOT REPRESENT AN INSTITUTION THAT BENEFITS ONLY WEALTHY INVESTORS. IT REPRESENTS HOUSEHOLD COMPANIES THAT BENEFITS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US. COMPANIES THAT EMPLOY RESIDENTS AND CONTRIBUTE TO DALLAS, TEXAS, AND THE GLOBAL FINANCIAL ECONOMY. IT REPRESENTS BUSINESSES SUCH AS CECO, ENVIRONMENTAL ENERGY TRANSFER, SUNOCO, DILLARD'S, JUST TO NAME A FEW. EXCHANGE PLACE RECOGNIZES AN INDUSTRY THAT IS COMING HERE. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM? ITEM FIVE. NO FURTHER SPEAKERS, MR. MAYOR. MORENO. FOR WHAT PURPOSE? TO MAKE A MOTION, MAYOR. OKAY. YOU RECOGNIZE FOR THAT PURPOSE. THANK YOU. I MOVE TO HOLD UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL OCTOBER 28TH. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. IT'S BEEN MOVED. AND SECOND. IS THAT THE DEBATABLE? YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES IF YOU WANT. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE WHO SUPPORTED THE DEFERRAL AT OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING. THIS ALLOWED FOR MY COLLEAGUES TO ASK QUESTIONS FROM STAFF, HEAR FROM STAKEHOLDERS. I UNDERSTAND, THOUGH, THAT THERE ARE STILL QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS AND TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. THERE'S ALSO MEMBERS THAT ARE NOT HERE TODAY, AND TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE ON THIS MATTER. I'M REQUESTING YOUR SUPPORT, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO VOTING ON THIS MATTER IN TWO SHORT WEEKS. THANK YOU. MAYOR. MISS MIDDLETON, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. OBVIOUSLY, I HAD OTHER THINGS I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR QUESTIONS ARE BEING CONSIDERED. IF THE MAKER OF THE MOTION WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER. THAT THEY'RE NOT MY QUESTIONS OR FROM OTHER COLLEAGUES. IF THEY WANT TO RAISE THEM TODAY, THEY CAN DO THAT. BUT ARE YOU AWARE OF THEM? THEY'RE WORKING WITH STAFF. OKAY. OKAY. I THINK WE SHOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND TAKE IT. BUT I WILL SAY THANK YOU TO ALL OF THE FORMER MAYORS AND BILLIONAIRES WHO DIDN'T COME DOWN. THANK YOU. MR. BAZALDUA RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU MAYOR. I COLLEAGUES I AM AM PERPLEXED ON WHY WE WOULD CONSIDER DELAYING THIS AGAIN. [06:10:01] I WANT TO START BY BEING CLEAR ON WHERE I STAND. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO CHANGING THE NAME OF HARWOOD. IN FACT, I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD. BUT WHAT I CAN'T SUPPORT IS DOING IT HALF WAY. WE HAVE A PORTION OF A STREET THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED, AND I'VE BEEN ADVOCATED FROM SEVERAL PROPONENTS UP TO THIS POINT, ASKING FOR MY SUPPORT THAT I'VE REFUSED TO GIVE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP TO THE ATTENTION THAT THERE IS A REASON TO CHANGE HARWOOD'S NAME FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE PURPOSES. SPEAKING ABOUT HIS AFFILIATION TO THE CONFEDERACY, AND WHEN WE SPEAK BACK TO THE HISTORY OF OUR CITY IN 2017, WE HAD A TASK FORCE THAT WAS CREATED TO GO OVER NAMES AND MONUMENTS THAT WERE HONORING THE CONFEDERACY. AND THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO CHANGE SOME STREET NAMES. THIS WAS A PART OF THE REPORT THAT WAS GIVEN HARWOOD, BUT IT WAS NOT ON THE RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE. RIGHT NOW, HARWOOD RUNS THROUGH DISTRICT SEVEN, IN ADDITION TO THROUGH DOWNTOWN, THE CEDARS AND UPTOWN. IT RUNS THROUGH PREDOMINANTLY BROWN AND BLACK COMMUNITY. IT'S A STREET NAMED AFTER A CONFEDERATE THAT RUNS THROUGH A BROWN AND BLACK COMMUNITY. BUT WE'RE BEING ASKED TODAY IS TO ONLY ADDRESS A PORTION OF IT FOR THE ELITE BUSINESS COMMUNITY OF OUR CITY. BUT LET'S LEAVE THE CONFEDERATE NAME RUNNING THROUGH THE BROWN AND BLACK COMMUNITIES. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY AN INSULT TO ANYTHING THAT IS PORTRAYING ITSELF AS SOCIAL JUSTICE. THIS IS DOING NOTHING FOR IMPROVING THE LIVES OR MAKING OUR CITY MORE INCLUSIVE. I THINK A DELAY WOULD DELAY OUR OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THIS HOLISTICALLY. I WILL SAY RIGHT NOW ON RECORD, I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE. IF WE WERE TO GET A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SEND THIS BACK TO CPC AND ADDRESS THE ENTIRE STREET NAME CHANGE, NOT AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT, NOT AS A PROMISE THAT IS DANGLED IN FRONT OF OUR HEADS, BUT TO SAY, IF WE'RE GOING TO CORRECT A WRONG, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT WHILE BEING INVITING TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND HOW THAT CAN BE BENEFICIAL TO THE FINANCIAL HUB THAT WE ARE CREATING WITH YOUR STREET. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE CAN CORRECT THE WRONGS THAT OF OUR PAST AND NOT CONTINUE TO HONOR CONFEDERATE AFFILIATED INDIVIDUALS. THAT'S WHERE MY I'M GOING TO STAND IN TWO MORE WEEKS ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE THAT. TWO WEEKS BEFORE DIDN'T CHANGE THIS. THIS IS A HALF THOUGHT OF PROPOSAL. IT IS NOT CONSIDERATE OF ANY EVERYONE THAT IS IMPACTED BY IT. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT A TWO WEEK DELAY IS GOING TO CHANGE IN THAT OTHER THAN JUST LIKE I SAID LAST TIME, THE ABILITY TO MOBILIZE MORE LOBBYING. TRUST ME, I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, MY PHONE HAS BEEN BLOWING UP JUST IN THE PAST HOUR ALONE. CONSIDERING THE REST THAT I'VE BEEN TALKED TO OVER THE PAST TWO WEEKS. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE KNEW WOULD EXPECT, WHAT WE COULD EXPECT. AND I'VE ALREADY SEEN AND HEARD THAT THERE ARE COLLEAGUES WHO HAVE FLIPPED THEIR POSITION. SO THE LOBBYING WAS EFFECTIVE FOR SOME OF THEM. BUT I'M GOING TO STAND ON SOMETHING, AND I'M GOING TO STAND UP FOR THE BROWN AND BLACK COMMUNITIES THAT I REPRESENT. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY THAT THIS IS GOOD ENOUGH TO CHANGE FOR THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY OR FOR OUTSIDE INTERESTS, THEN THIS SHOULD BE GOOD ENOUGH TO CHANGE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF SOUTH DALLAS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MISS BLACKMON, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. SO I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF. I WAS GOING TO ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT THAT COULD BE REMEDIED IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. I KNOW THE CITY ARCHIVIST SAID A CEREMONIAL CEREMONIAL TOPPER INSTEAD OF A FULL NAME CHANGE. BECAUSE HARWOOD IS ONE OF THE OLDEST STREETS. I KIND OF WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHY A A TOPPER, BECAUSE IF IT IS AN OLD STREET IN DALLAS, WHY ARE WE CHANGING IT? AND I'VE HEARD OF VARIOUS ITEMS OR VARIOUS CHARACTERISTICS OF THIS INDIVIDUAL, BUT THE ONLY I NOT I'D LIKE TO SEE IT IN A HARD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND IF WHAT WE'RE SAYING THIS PERSON WAS. IF HE IS. AND BECAUSE TO MR. BAZALDUA POINT, IT EXTENDS ALL THE WAY TO THE SOUTH PART OF OUR CITY. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT, WE SHOULD CHANGE IT. I HATE BREAKING IT UP A STREETS THAT ARE BROKEN UP. BUT THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, IT DOES DEAD END. I GET IT, BUT WE JUST WANT THAT END AND NOT THE REST OF IT FOR CERTAIN REASONS. SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT FLESHED OUT. AND THEN THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION RECOMMENDED A DENIAL BECAUSE THERE IS AN ALLEYWAY. AND SO I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S GOING TO BE IF THAT WILL BE REMEDIED, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE THAT ALLEYWAY SO IT'S NOT OR HOW WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH IT. IN ADDITION, I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER STREETS, ONE IN PARTICULAR DOWN OVER HERE TO THE EAST OF US THAT STILL IS LABELED, THAT'S STILL UP THERE. AND AND I THINK WE NEED TO, IF WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THINGS BECAUSE OF CHARACTERISTICS OF, IN ACTIONS OF A PERSON, THEN WE SHOULD DO IT AND NOT DO IT JUST BECAUSE IT'S A BUSINESS THING TO DO, BUT TO DO IT BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND DO IT RIGHT. [06:15:04] I MEAN, I'M LISTENING. I WANTED TO HAVE A GOOD CONVERSATION, BUT I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO BE WAITING FOR TWO MORE WEEKS AND I GUESS WE'LL GET MORE CALLS. I TOO GOT BLOWN UP. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO WORK TOWARDS A SOLUTION INSTEAD OF FIGHTING. BEING CALLED PETTY IS FUN, I GUESS. I MEAN, AND YOU KNOW WHAT? I'VE DEALT WITH THIS FOR SEVEN YEARS AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE THING IS, IS WE NEED TO SOLVE SOMETHING. AND THIS DOES NOT SOLVE ANYTHING. AND SO IF WE'RE GOING TO FIX SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO FIX IT. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK IN A FEW MONTHS AND FIX THE REST OF IT, THEN WE NEED IT ON PAPER AND HAVE A PLAN. BECAUSE TO DO IT AT 430 AND TO SAY, WHAT DO YOU WANT? I DON'T THINK IT'S I THINK I WANT TO I WANT TO FIND A SOLUTION. AND SO I'M HOPING IN TWO WEEKS, IF MR. MORENO, IF YOU WANT TO SIT DOWN, LET'S FIGURE OUT THE ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT AND WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT AND START WORKING TOWARDS A SOLUTION. BUT IT'S, IT'S TIME TO FIND A PATH FORWARD AND NOT FIGURING OUT HOW TO JUST DIVIDE US. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST MR. BAZALDUA? YOUR HAND IS STILL UP. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK? YES. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE OUR COLLEAGUES TO LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENED. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S AN URGE FOR US TO GET THIS PASSED, BUT THE THRESHOLD IS 12, AND IF IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE THERE WHY WE WOULDN'T CONSIDER WHAT WILL GET US THERE. I'VE HEARD FROM SEVERAL COLLEAGUES, INCLUDING A COUPLE WHO HAD A DIFFERENT POSITION TWO WEEKS AGO THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE STREET NAME FOR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED HERE TODAY. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET TO THAT PLACE IF WE CONTINUE TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND JUST CONTINUE TO PUSH THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE LOBBYING AND THINKING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SWAY. IT'S VERY OBVIOUS, EVEN WITH THE REARRANGING OF THIS MEETING AND THE ITEMS AND PUSHING THIS TO THE VERY END AND THE SCRAMBLING THAT HAS GONE ON AROUND THE HORSESHOE JUST TO TRY TO LOBBY TO GET THE VOTES, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO FIND A TRUE SOLUTION AND COLLABORATE FOR WHAT WE CAN DO TO, TO, TO FULLY SUPPORT THIS. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO DENY OUR DEFERRAL THAT'S ON THE FLOOR AND MAKE WAY FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO REMAND THIS BACK TO CPC AND TO GET A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH. OR I GUESS WE CAN JUST CHALK THIS UP AS SOMETHING WE CAN COUNT ON TO BE OUR AGENDA EVERY TWO WEEKS UNTIL Y'ALL FIND A WAY TO GET A 12TH VOTE. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION TO? WHAT'S TECHNICALLY CALLED A DEFERRAL? HOLDING UNDER ADVISEMENT. IT'S THE TECHNICAL PHRASE. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'LL BE VERY BRIEF. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. MORENO. I DO HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS, AND I'VE SHARED THAT WITH YOU CONCERNING THIS PROCESS. I DO SUPPORT THE NAME CHANGE FOR SEVERAL REASONS, WHICH ARE AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME, I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY FOR ME TO GO INTO THAT. HOWEVER, I AM LOOKING TO HAVE MORE CONVERSATION AND BRING A RESOLVE TO THIS MATTER. SO THANK YOU. AND I DO SUPPORT YOUR MOTION. MISS MENDELSOHN, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. SINCE COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON I'M SORRY. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM JOHNSON IDENTIFIED HIMSELF AS HAVING QUESTIONS. I'M WONDERING IF HE WOULD BE WILLING TO EXPLAIN WHAT HIS QUESTIONS ARE. NO. I'VE ALREADY SPOKE TO MR. MORENO. THANK YOU. WELL, THIS IS PART OF THE TRANSPARENCY THAT'S LACKING AT CITY HALL THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE ISSUES ARE THAT PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING WITH. IT WOULD IT BE IN ORDER FOR ME TO TALK ABOUT REASONS WHY I WOULD VOTE NO ON THIS ITEM, OR ARE WE ONLY CONSIDERING THE DELAY? I DIDN'T THINK THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SPEAK ON THE LARGER UNDERLYING. YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN CORRECT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE MOTION IS TO DEFER. SOME PEOPLE HAVE. AND IT WASN'T STOPPED. AND SO I WOULD BE HAPPY TO EXPLAIN TO ANYBODY WHO'D LIKE TO KNOW WHY I WOULD VOTE NO. I'M VERY PRO-BUSINESS. I THINK THAT THE COUNCIL IS EXTREMELY PRO-BUSINESS. I THINK WE'VE PROVEN WE ARE PRO-BUSINESS WITH INCENTIVES, WITH WELCOMING DIFFERENT GROUPS. HOPEFULLY WE ARE WITH PERMITTING ACCESS TO ELECTED AND STAFF. I HAVE JOKINGLY BUT NOT JOKINGLY SAID, YOU KNOW, VERY HAPPY TO HAVE A PARTY AND CUPCAKES OR CHAMPAGNE AND DO ALL WE CAN TO SUPPORT THE BUSINESS EFFORTS IN DALLAS. AND WHETHER THAT'S. [06:20:05] MAYOR YOU AND THE CITY MANAGER GOING TO NEW YORK, WHETHER THAT'S WELCOMING PEOPLE HERE. THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE LUNCHEONS WITH FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS HERE, BUT THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE PROVE THAT WE ARE PRO-BUSINESS BUT GIVING UP OUR HISTORY IS NOT A WELCOME GIFT. AND VERY OFTEN YOU HEAR PEOPLE AT CITY HALL TALK ABOUT WANTING TO BE WORLD CLASS IN THESE VERY ASPIRATIONAL IDEAS FOR DALLAS. WE DON'T HAVE TO BE ASPIRATIONAL. WE ARE ALREADY AUTHENTICALLY DALLAS. WE HAVE OUR OWN NAMES, WE HAVE OUR OWN HISTORY, AND WE SHOULDN'T FORGET THAT. SADLY, OUR HISTORY INCLUDES VERY HORRIBLE RACIAL ISSUES, CONFEDERACY, KKK, AND I THINK THAT IS THE UNDERLYING ISSUE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT IS BEING BROUGHT UP. AND YOU'D BE HARD PRESSED NOT TO FIND A HISTORY OF MAYORS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MANY, MANY NAMES THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE TERRIBLE TIMES. BUT EITHER WE DO IT OR WE DON'T DO IT, AND EITHER WE ERASE THOSE NAMES OR WE DON'T. AND I THINK IT'S FAIR TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, BUT IT'S NOT FAIR TO PARSE A STREET AND PRETEND IT'S ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST? PAGE FIVE. THE MOTION. ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. I HAD MY HAND UP. OH, SORRY. YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT IT IS DEFINITELY NOT ON MY BINGO CARD TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT AGREEING MOMENT WITH COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN ON SOCIAL JUSTICE. BUT I WANT TO JUST SECOND WHAT SHE SAID. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, LET'S DO IT RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION BY CHAIRMAN MORENO ON PAGE FIVE? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. ALRIGHT, MR. MAYOR, THIS CONCLUDES YOUR ITEMS ON YOUR AGENDA. OPEN MICROPHONE SPEAKERS. ALL RIGHT. LET'S DO THE OPEN MICROPHONE SPEAKERS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WILL RECITE THE SPEAKER GUIDELINES. SPEAKERS. SPEAKERS MUST OBSERVE THE SAME RULES OF PROPRIETY, DECORUM AND GOOD CONDUCT APPLICABLE TO MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. ANY SPEAKER MAKING PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, PROFANE, OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS, OR WHO BECOMES BOISTEROUS WHILE ADDRESSING CITY COUNCIL WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE ROOM. FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE IN PERSON FOR THE VIRTUAL SPEAKER, I WILL ANNOUNCE WHEN YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED IN PERSON. SPEAKERS. YOU'LL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. YOU'LL NOTICE THE TIME ON THE MONITOR WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP, PLEASE STOP. ALSO, SPEAKERS, PLEASE BE MINDFUL THAT DURING YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REFER TO A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER BY NAME AND TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO MAYOR JOHNSON ONLY. DON DODD. DON DODD IS NOT PRESENT. JANICE TENNISON. JANICE TENNISON IS NOT PRESENT. NICHOLAS. PRIDE. HELLO. CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS NICHOLAS PRIDE, AND I'M HERE TO DISCUSS THE RECENT CITY ORDINANCE THREE. MAN 33564. WHICH INCREASED THE PERMITTING COST TO THE DALLAS FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE AND HOW IT WILL INEVITABLY HURT THE CITY IN RELATION TO PYROTECHNICS AND FLAME EFFECTS. I'VE BEEN A FIRE PERFORMER FOR 20 YEARS AND A FLAME EFFECTS OPERATOR IN TEXAS FOR THE LAST TEN. IN THAT TIME, UNDER MY GUIDANCE, WE HAVE FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGED HOW FIRE PERFORMANCE OPERATES AND SET A SAFETY STANDARD FOR EVENTS ALL OVER TEXAS AND THE UNITED STATES. I HAVE PAID OVER $15,000 IN THE CITY PERMITS IN THE LAST YEAR. THROUGH THE EVENTS THAT I HAVE PRODUCED AT DEEP ELLUM ART CO AND IN LOWER GREENVILLE. THAT'S LIKE THESE EVENTS HAVE TYPICALLY BARELY BROKE EVEN AS IT IS, BUT WE DO THEM FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THE ART. THIS 30 TO 70% INCREASE IN PRICE WILL LIKELY FORCE THESE EVENTS TO EITHER RELOCATE TO OTHER CITIES NEARBY WITH LOWER PERMITTING COSTS, SUCH AS IRVING OR ARLINGTON POSSIBLY REPLACE THEM WITH UNREGULATED AND UNPERMITTED HOUSE PARTIES OR SHUT THEM DOWN COMPLETELY DUE TO HIGH PRODUCTION MARGINS. IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, THIS INCREASE IN PERMITTING WILL ESSENTIALLY COST THE CITY MORE MONEY AND MAKE THE CITY FUNDAMENTALLY MORE UNSAFE INSTEAD OF INCREASING FUNDS. I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE OTHER INDUSTRIES THAT ALL OF THESE PERMIT INCREASES WILL AFFECT, BUT I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THEY ARE IN THE SAME BOAT AS WE ARE, AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE DALLAS CONTINUE TO BE A HUB OF ART AND CREATIVITY IN THE METROPLEX. [06:25:07] BY SUSPENDING THESE FEE INCREASES. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. IF IS THAT ALL THE TIME? IF IF MAKING A, A SURVEY OF PEOPLE OR A ANYTHING, I CAN GET NAMES LISTED OR A SUBCOUNCIL MEETING THAT I CAN GO TO, TO TALK TO INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE ARTS DISTRICTS. I AM OPEN TO ALL THOSE OPPORTUNITIES. I'M PLEASED. YOU KNOW, I BEG UPON YOU TO RECONSIDER THIS INCREASE IN FINES OR FEES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ROWAN GARR. IT'S NOT PRESENT. DONNA K BUSH, IT'S NOT PRESENT. ANDREW. ABSENCE. IT'S NOT PRESENT. AND AMANDA COLWELL IS NOT PRESENT. MR. MAYOR, THIS CONCLUDES YOUR OPEN MICROPHONE SPEAKERS FOR THIS MEETING. AND IT ALSO INCLUDES YOUR AGENDA FOR THIS MEETING. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THE TIME IS 5:13 P.M. AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANKS, MEMBERS. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.