* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] GOOD [I. Call to Order] EVENING EVERYONE. IF EVERYBODY WILL TURN ON THEIR CAMERA, WE WILL HAVE OUR QUORUM. TODAY IS, UH, WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 14TH. THE TIME IS NOW 5:41 PM I'M CHAIRWOMAN KATHERINE GURA, AND I CALL THIS MEETING OF THE DALLAS ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION TO ORDER. RA, WE WELCOME YOUR PARTICIPATION IN OUR MEETINGS IN THE LANGUAGE OF YOUR PREFERENCE. AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST TRANSLATION OR OTHER ACCESSIBILITY SERVICES, PLEASE CALL. AND THE NUMBERS CHANGED, 2 1 4 6 7 0 1 6 7 6, AT LEAST TWO DAYS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING, UH, WILL BE ON NOVEMBER 18TH AT 5:30 PM JUST MARK YOUR CALENDARS, FRIENDS. 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT OUR NORMAL WEDNESDAY, UH, DATE. WE'VE MOVED IT AROUND A LITTLE BIT FOR, FOR VETERANS DAY. ALL RIGHT. LET US CALL ROLL. WHEN I CALL YOUR DISTRICT, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. DISTRICT ONE, JORDAN CLARK. COMMISSIONER CLARK IS HERE. CONFIRMED. ALRIGHT, DISTRICT TWO, DON MARK. DISTRICT THREE IS VACANT. DISTRICT FOUR SI. MARA. THANK YOU. DISTRICT FIVE, TRACY WALL. DISTRICT SIX IS VACANT. DISTRICT SEVEN IS VACANT. DISTRICT EIGHT IS VACANT. I'M DISTRICT NINE. DISTRICT 10. DON'T SEE ANDREA YET. DISTRICT 11, WHITNEY LEY, DISTRICT 12. MARY LACKMAN, DISTRICT 13. REBECCA POSTON. DISTRICT 14. DISTRICT 15. JULIE. HI, MOTO. ALL RIGHT. MOVING TO OUR TECHNICAL PANEL. MS SEVEN. I'M HERE. YOU THERE, RIGHT, MS. STRAUSS? WE DON'T SEE YET MR. THAT'S HERE. MR. KAUFMAN IS HERE. MR. MARKS HERE. AND DR. JACK DON'T SEE YET. AND DR. AVI DON'T SEE IT. OKAY. LET US [II. Public Speaker(s)] GET INTO OUR, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS. WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC SPEAKERS THIS EVENING. SO I'M GONNA RECITE OUR SPEAKER GUIDELINES. UH, SPEAKERS MUST OBSERVE THE SAME RULES OF PROPRIETY TO CORPSMAN, GOOD CONDUCT APPLICABLE TO MEMBERS OF THIS COMMISSION. ANY MEMBER MAKING PERSONAL I PERTINENT, PROFANE, OR SENDERS REMARKS, OR WHO BECOMES BOISTEROUS WHILE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE MEETING. EACH SPEAKER WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND WHEN THEIR TIME IS ENDED, PLEASE INCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS. FIRST SPEAKER IS MS. GELMAN. HOW ARE YOU? CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE GOT IT. YEAH. OKAY. MM-HMM . UM, SO, UH, I'M JANET GELMAN. I'M HERE TO, UH, TALK ABOUT THE SPRAY POLICY MOSQUITO SPRAYING POLICY. UM, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND THE COUNCIL THAT IN THE PAST I HAVE, UH, RE UH, TOLD THEM THAT, UH, THE SPRAY SPRAYS, PESTICIDE SPRAYS ARE, HAVE BEEN SHOWN FROM RESEARCH TO BE ENDOCRINE DISRUPTORS. UH, THE EPA DOESN'T TEST FOR THAT. SO THAT'S, SO ANYWAY, THAT, THAT WAS SOMETHING I JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU OF. UM, UM, SO, UM, IN, IN SOME WAYS I SHOULD GO AFTER DR. LACKMAN, BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA TAKE AWAY HIS THUNDER, SO I'M JUST GOING TO JUST REMEMBER WHAT I SAY WHEN HE TALKS. YOU CAN PUT IT IN WHERE IT GOES. BUT, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I'M GONNA BE WORKING ON IS TO HELP FIND EXPERTS, UM, IN THE FIELD, UM, FOR POLICY. UH, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE, UM, TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE ENTOMOLOGIST. UM, I, I KNOW HIM, AND SO I MIGHT CHECK WITH HIM AND SEE IF HE CAN DO IT OR IF HE KNOWS OTHERS THAT ARE EXPERTS [00:05:01] THAT MIGHT HELP ADVISE. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER IS TO, UM, TO GO TO CHURCHES, SYNAGOGUES, OTHER AREAS THAT DO VOLUNTEER TO, TO POSSIBLY, UM, HELP WITH OUTREACH, UM, DOWN THE LINE. SO I DON'T WANNA THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. DR. LACKMAN WILL TELL YOU I'M A LOT MORE DEPTH WHEN HE SPEAKS LATER TODAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MS. KAMAN. ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JAMES ORNSTEIN. UH, HELLO. MY NAME'S JAMES HORNSTEIN. I ACTUALLY LIVE IN DUNCANVILLE, NOT IN DALLAS, BUT I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF A NONPROFIT, WHICH IS TRYING TO DEVELOP COMMUNITY SOLAR WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS. AND I'VE BEEN VOLUNTEERING WITH A GROUP THAT USED TO BE CALLED THE NORTH NORTH TEXAS RENEWABLE ENERGY GROUP, BUT IS NOW THE NORTH TEXAS CLEAN ENERGY. SO, UM, THEY'VE BEEN ALSO WORKING WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS IN THE PAST. AND, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA CONGRATULATE THE CITY AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE PRESENTATION TODAY ON THE SOLAR POWERED CHARGING STATIONS. I HAVEN'T WALKED BY TO LOOK AT 'EM, BUT I, I'VE SEEN PICTURES OF 'EM, I'VE SEEN 'EM IN, UH, MEDIA. THAT PARTICULAR COMPANY IS FAIRLY WELL DONE, AND, UH, I THINK IT'S A GREAT THING. SECOND THING WAS THERE'S, UH, THE PARKS TRAILS ENVIRONMENT COMMISSION COMMITTEE, UH, PUBLISHES AN AGENDA FORECAST SEVERAL MONTHS IN ADVANCE. AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT CT A. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE'S SOME SORT OF A FIVE YEAR REVIEW UNDERWAY IN ADDITION TO THE REGULAR ANNUAL REVIEW. SO I'M GONNA BRING UP SOMETHING, WHICH I HAVE MENTIONED BEFORE, BUT, UM, I KEEP BRINGING UP AGAIN. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE GOAL NUMBER TWO, UM, TARGET FOR, UM, GENERATES AND USES RENEWABLE ENERGY, THERE'S A TARGET NUMBER THERE THAT'S, UH, 739,000 MEGAWATTS. AND ANOTHER NUMBER FOR, UM, 2050. AND MY CONTENTION IS THAT THOSE OUGHT TO BE CHANGED TO 700, 730 9,000 MEGAWATT HOURS. AND THAT'S A LOT EASIER TO JUSTIFY. AND I COULD GO INTO WHY, BUT I WON'T. UM, SORT OF ALONG WITH THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE TOWARD HITTING THAT GOAL, UM, IT'S, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GETTING THERE. AND SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE TO GET THERE. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF, UH, PART OF THE, UH, CA REVIEW, I THINK. AND THE THIRD THING IS, IS THE PARK TRAILS AND ENVIRONMENT COMMITTEE ALSO HAD A PRESENTATION ON AUGUST 3RD ABOUT SOLAR PANEL PERMITTING. I THINK THAT'S BEEN A SUBJECT OF INTEREST FOR THIS COMMISSION. UM, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN IT COME UP RECENTLY. SO PART OF WHAT I HAD DONE IS LOOKED AT SOME DATA AND PRESENTED IT TO THE, UH, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, UM, DEPARTMENT. AND I HAD A SHORT MEETING WITH THEM, AND I'M WORKING ON SOME STUFF TO FOLLOW UP WITH IT. BUT, UM, ONE THING, AND I HAD SOME SLIDES OUT OF THE PRESENTATION. EXCUSE ME. YES. UM, I HAD SOME SLIDES OUT OF PRESENTATION THAT I DISTRIBUTED, BUT, UM, LONG STORY SHORT, YOU CAN GO TO A, UM, USED TO BE NATIONAL RENEWABLE ENERGY LAB, NOW NATIONAL LAB OF THE ROCKIES. BUT IF YOU JUST LOOK FOR SOLAR TRADE, E-R-A-C-E, UH, THEY PUBLISH DATA ON PERMITTING TURNAROUND TIME FOR VARIOUS CITIES ACROSS THE US. AND THERE'S STUFF FOR DALLAS IS OBSOLETE, UH, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT. I THINK THE PLANNING, DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPING HAS THAT. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. JAMES. IF YOU DON'T MIND, WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU 'CAUSE I HAVE A, A FEW QUESTIONS. THANKS SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE, AND THANK YOU MS. GELMAN FOR COMING. ALRIGHT. WE ARE GONNA MOVE PAST OUR ANNOUNCEMENTS THIS EVENING. SO WE'RE GOING JUST A LITTLE BEHIND AND WE'RE GONNA GET TO [IV. Approval of Minutes] THE APPROVAL OF OUR MINUTES, UH, FROM THE SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2026 MEETING MINUTES. COMMISSIONER KOMOTO, I UNDERSTANDING THE MOTION? UH, YES. I HAVE A MOTION TO AMEND THE MINUTES. WE VOTED AND APPROVED AS AMENDED THE ANNUAL REPORT. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, COMMISSIONER OTTO'S MOTION IS TO AMEND THE SEPTEMBER 9TH MINUTES TO REFLECT THAT THE ANNUAL REPORT WAS ADOPTED AS AMENDED. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR? UH, SAY AYE. [00:10:01] A. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO VOTE TO APPROVE OUR MINUTES AS AMENDED. UM, SORRY, I DIDN'T CATCH THAT THE FIRST TIME. SO THERE'S A MOTION MOVED. AND IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND MOVED. AND SECOND. IT ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, OUR MINUTES ARE AMENDED AND APPROVED. THANKS SO MUCH. [V.a. Vote to Approve 2027] ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT ONE VOTING ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING IS A VOTE TO APPROVE OUR 2027 MEETING SCHEDULE. UH, SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION. I MOVE. WE APPROVE THE 2027 MEETING SCHEDULE. SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. UM, JUST QUICKLY ON THE DISCUSSION, I'M GONNA RUN THROUGH THOSE DATES. WE ARE STILL PROPOSING TO MEET NEXT YEAR ON THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF EVERY MONTH AT 5:30 PM IN THAT, UH, IN THE ATTACHMENT, UM, IN THE AGENDA ITEM IS THE LIST OF THOSE. DOES ANYBODY NOT HAVE THEM IN FRONT OF 'EM? HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THEM. WANT ME TO READ THEM OUT LOUD? ARE YOU GOOD? WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING OUR 2027 COMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULE. SAY AYE. ANY OF OPPOSED? THAT IS APPROACH. OKAY. [VI.a. The Use and Function of Solar Canopies for Fleet Management] LET'S GET INTO OUR FIRST BRIEFING PRESENTATION. AND, UH, I THINK THAT SEVERAL FOLKS THAT ARE REALLY EXCITED TO HEAR, UH, FROM VINCENT OLSON, WHO'S OUR DIRECTOR OF FLEET MANAGEMENT. UM, HE'S GONNA BRIEF US ON THE USE AND FUNCTION OF SOLAR CANOPIES FOR WEIGHT MANAGEMENT. AND IF YOU WANNA COME AROUND TO THE TABLE AND JUST HAVE A SEAT RIGHT THERE, YOU'RE WELCOME. JUST TO CHOOSE A SEAT, JUST USE THAT MICROPHONE RIGHT THERE. APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE, JUST GETTING OVER A BIT OF A COLD AND SOME ALLERGIES. SO WE'LL GET THROUGH THIS. UM, GREAT PLEASURE TO BE HERE TONIGHT THIS EVENING. UM, MY, MY NAME IS VINCENT OLSON. I'M, UH, DIRECTOR OF, UH, EQUIPMENT AND FLEET MANAGEMENT FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS. AND TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED WITH OUR SOLAR CANOPY, SOME OF OUR EVS, AND THEN MAYBE GIVE YOU A SNAPSHOT OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE UP AND COMING. UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO BEFORE WE START OUT, THERE'S A FEW UNIQUE CHALLENGES THAT THE CITY MIGHT HAVE TRYING TO GET 13,000 PEOPLE IN A VARIETY OF VEHICLES TO UNDERSTAND HOW VEHICLE CHARGING WORKS, WHEN TO CHARGE 'EM, HOW TO USE 'EM, WHEN TO BUG THEM IN. THERE'S SOME INHERENT DIFFERENCES, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND GASSING VEHICLES AND, AND HOW THAT HAPPENS. SO THE CULTURE CHANGE AND THE, AND THE INFORMATION AND THE TRAINING THAT GOES INTO, IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS NOT ONCE, NOT TWICE, NOT EVEN THREE TIMES, BUT WE'LL BE IN A FIFTH OR SIXTH ITERATION OF SHOWING THE TROOPS, IF YOU WILL, HOW TO USE THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND, AND GET THE MOST OUT OF. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS THREE LEVELS OF CHARGERS, AND HOW DO WE KEEP THE CHARGING PROCESS UNIFORM SO THAT SOMEBODY DRIVING A BUS VERSUS A DELIVERY VAN VERSUS A PICKUP TRUCK VERSUS, UH, ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE HAVE. AND, AND HOW DO YOU CHARGE IT? SO, SO WE DON'T HAVE ALL THESE SYSTEMS IN PLACE. AND SO ON THE LEFT YOU SEE OUR LEVEL THREE CHARGERS, WHICH IS OUR FAST CHARGERS, AND THAT PICTURE'S A FAIRLY INTERESTING STORY, BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. THE SECOND IS OUR MOTOR POOL, UH, WHICH IS OUR ON GRID LEVEL TWO CHARGING. AND THEN THE THIRD WHERE YOU DO SEE THE CANOPY WITH THE WHITE VEHICLES UNDER IT, THAT IS OUR SOLAR OFF GRID CHARGING. NOW THOSE CANOPIES CAN BE ON GRID AND OFF GRID, AND I'LL GIVE YOU SOME MORE DETAILS ABOUT WHAT THEY PRODUCE IN, IN MILES AND, UH, CITY VEHICLES AND HOW THEY'RE USED AND WHY IT'S A REALLY GOOD FIT FOR US. UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO WE HAVE THE SAME CHARGING SYSTEMS THROUGHOUT ALL OF OUR 114 CHARGING SITES. IT'S THE SAME PROCESS. WE PRESENT A CARD TO AN RFID READER, AND IT'S ABLE TO TRACK THE USE AT THAT LOCATION, HOW MANY CHARGING EVENTS OCCUR, HOW MANY, UH, HOURS, UH, MEGAWATT HOURS ARE BEING, UH, ATTRIBUTED TO A LOCATION TO A VEHICLE SO WE CAN GET A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHO'S GETTING IT AND MAYBE WHO NEEDS TO GO BACK AND, AND WE NEED TO HELP WITH, YOU KNOW, HELPING THEM UNDERSTAND HOW TO USE THE SYSTEM. UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UH, SO IT CAN PROVIDE GRID, ON GRID OR OFF GRID ENERGY, WHICH IS KIND OF IMPORTANT THAT WAY IN THE WINTER MONTHS, WHAT WE, WE NOTICED LAST YEAR WHEN THE DAYLIGHT CYCLE GETS SHORTER, UM, WE MAY NOT GET A FULL CHARGE ON OUR BATTERIES. IF YOU CAN SEE UNDERNEATH THE, THE SOLAR CANOPIES THEMSELVES, THERE'S [00:15:01] KIND OF A WHITE BLOCK. IT SAYS BEAM ON THERE. THAT'S ACTUALLY A SERIES OF BATTERIES THAT STORE ALL ELECTRICITY. THAT, BY THE WAY, IS THE NUMBER ONE CHALLENGE WITH SOLAR OR ANY OF THESE OTHERS IS, UH, UH, ALTERNATE FORMS OF ENERGY. IT'S HOW DO YOU STORE ELECTRICITY? THAT'S KIND OF AN EVOLVING MARKETPLACE THAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW WITH DIFFERENT BATTERY SYSTEMS, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S UNDER THERE. THOSE CANOPIES CAN PRODUCE ABOUT 265 MILES OF RANGE PER DAY, WHICH WE LOOK AT THE AVERAGE USE OF MOST CITY VEHICLES THAT FAR BEYOND ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD NEED. NOW THERE ARE CAMP, THERE ARE CAMPUS TYPE ENVIRONMENTS WHERE WE HAVE WORK GROUPS THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE ON ALL DAY MAINTAINING PUMPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THERE ARE SCENARIOS WHERE PEOPLE CAN MAYBE GO OUTSIDE THAT PARAMETER, BUT NOT MANY, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEN, AND THEN LEAVES SOME AMBIGUITY ON THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE SIDE AS WELL. BUT I THINK WE'RE ACTUALLY CREEPING MUCH CLOSER TO THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, HERD OF VEHICLES, IF YOU WILL. WE ACTUALLY HAVE, UH, THE CAPACITY TO CHARGE SIX VEHICLES. UH, YOU CAN SEE BASED ON THE GREEN, UH, PARKING, IF YOU, IF YOU EVER GO PAST ANY OF OUR SERVICE CENTERS, AND YOU'LL SEE THE GREEN DELINEATORS THAT FAR THAT ARE FOR THE EV PARKING THERE. UH, SO THESE CANOPY, THIS ONE CANOPY CAN REACH ACTUALLY SIX DIFFERENT VEHICLES. EVERY TIME YOU DO THAT, YOU START TO CUT THAT 265 MILE RADIUS IN HALF. SO IF YOU WERE TO HAVE TWO VEHICLES CHARGING ALL DAY, EACH WOULD GET 132 MILES ROUGHLY, UH, WHICH IS STILL REALLY WELL WITHIN OUR GENERAL MILES. AND WE TRAVEL ON A DAILY BASIS. AND THEN YOU COME BACK AT NIGHT AND PLUG THE VEHICLE IN AND BE GOOD TO GO IN THE MORNING TIME. UM, THERE'S A SOLAR TRACKING FEATURE ON THESE CANOPIES. IT GIVES THESE SOLAR CANOPIES ABOUT AN EXTRA 25% CHARGING CAPACITY. THEY ROTATE WITH THE SUN. UH, I KNOW IN THE WORLD PLANTS, I THINK THEY CALL IT MOTOR METALLIC, WHERE THE PLANT WILL ACTUALLY FACE THE SUN. THESE CANOPIES DO THE SAME THING. SO THEY DO TRACK WITH THE SUN, THEY'RE WIND RATED TO 160 MILES AN HOUR, AND THEY HAVE A FLOOD ROUTE RATED HEIGHT OF NINE FOOT SIX INCHES. AND YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE FEATURES THAT IN THE NEXT SLIDE. UH, WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE, UH, AUXILIARY FEATURES. SO AT OUR CANTON LOCATION AND EVERYWHERE ELSE, THEY HAVE AN AUTOMATED LIGHTING FEATURE, WHICH PROVIDES US A LITTLE BIT ADDITIONAL SECURITY AND LETS PEOPLE SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING WHEN THEY'RE OUT THERE DURING THE EVENING HOURS, UH, UP TOWARDS THE TOP. AND IT'S A, IT, UH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO SEE, BUT IN THAT BLOCK AREA WHERE I SAID THE BATTERIES ARE AT, THERE'S ACTUALLY AUXILIARY CHARGING. SO WHAT IF WE WERE EVER IN A GRID, UH, OUTAGE AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ELECTRICITY AVAILABLE, WE STILL COULD USE AT SOME OF THESE OTHER LOCATIONS, SOME OF THE ELECTRICITY THAT'S AVAILABLE. I THINK THERE'S AN ACTUAL 240 VOLT, UH, UH, 30 AMP OUTLET THERE AS WELL. UH, WE TALKED ABOUT PARKING LOT, PARKING SHADE. THESE ARE RELOCATABLE. WE ACTUALLY OWN A TRAILER THAT WE CAN BACK UP ON THE SITES, ALL THESE CANOPIES AND RELOCATE 'EM. IF WE'RE IN A, MAYBE A LOCATION THAT'S NOT QUITE AS ACTIVE OR A DEPARTMENT MOVES, OR IN THIS CASE, THE CITY DECIDES TO SELL CANTON STREET AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T LOST THE INVESTMENT IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, THOSE, THOSE WERE KIND OF INCENTIVES FOR US TO LOOK AT THE STRATEGY FOR CHARGING THESE CANOPIES THEMSELVES, SEPARATE FROM THE CHARGERS ARE AGNOSTIC. THEY DON'T CARE WHOSE CHARGER YOU USED, AND THEY DON'T CARE WHOSE VEHICLE PLUG INTO IT. SO ONE OF THE FRONTIERS THAT WE'RE SEEING SORTED OUT HERE IS HOW DOES THE SOFTWARE, THE CHARGING SOFTWARE INTERFACE WITH THE VEHICLES FLEET MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, IF THERE'S A BILLING COMPONENT FOR CUSTOMERS, HOW IS THAT HANDLED? UH, IF THERE'S A REPAIR PROCESS, HOW IS THAT DIAGNOSED? AND, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S SOME FEATURES OF THIS THAT ARE STILL KIND OF BEING WORKED OUT. I WAS IN LAS VEGAS TWO YEARS AGO, AND THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT I SAW, A WHOLE ROOM OF PEOPLE FROM HARVARD TO, UH, STANFORD, ALL THESE COLLEGES WHO HAD THESE ACTIVE CHARGING, THEY ARGUED THE ENTIRE DAY ABOUT PEOPLE THAT WOULD NOT GIVE UP THEIR CHARGING SPOTS. HOW CHARGING THE SHARE, HOW PEOPLE WERE GONNA BE BILLED FOR IT. WAS IT A TAXABLE BENEFIT? IT WAS, UH, IT WAS INTERESTING. UH, BUT YOU WOULD NEVER THINK THAT'S WHAT THE WHOLE THING IS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, SO THAT WAS PRETTY INTERESTING OF BEING USED INTERNALLY OR EXTERNALLY. WHAT I WAS ATTEMPTING TO SAY THERE IS WE ARE AN INWARD FACING GROUP LOOKING AT THE CITY'S ASSETS, AND HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE COMPLY WITH CCAP? HOW DO WE CONFORM THE CA, HOW DO WE MOVE TO THE NEXT, UH, LEVEL OF THE TRANSPORTATION INDUSTRY AND, AND DO SO [00:20:01] AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE? BUT I DO SEE THAT THERE'S APPLICATIONS FOR THESE EXTERNALLY, LIKE IF THERE WAS A CUSTOMER FACING SIDE OF IT. BUT HOW WOULD YOU BILL FOR IT? HOW WOULD YOU RECOVER FOR IT? YOU KNOW, THERE ARE REPAIRS. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY YET, YOU KNOW, KNOCK ON WOOD, BUT, UH, WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY REAL DIFFICULTIES WITH THESE, THESE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THERE'S SOME, BEEN SOME SOFTWARE RESETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THIS PART, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN MUCH NEW WAY OF MAINTENANCE OR REPAIR COSTS. UH, WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UH, CURRENT, CURRENTLY WE HAVE 17 SOLAR CANOPIES. THAT IS OUR, UH, THAT'S ANOTHER LOCATION AT CANTON STREET. CANTON STREET HAS 1, 2, 3 SEPARATE LOCATIONS. AND THEY'RE, THEY TARGET GROUPS OF, OF VEHICLES. SO HERE THEY'RE REALLY GEARED TOWARDS MAYBE CATCHING MORE OF OUR CODE COMPLIANCE EVERYDAY DRIVER VEHICLES. UM, UH, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER LOCATION WHERE WE'RE DOING SOME VEHICLE SHARING, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT REAL VISIBLE YET, BUT, UH, WE'RE GOING TO A MOTOR POOL DESIGN, WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN A DIRECTION FOR US WHERE PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO, ON THE, ON THE FLY RENT VEHICLES INSTEAD OF EVERY DEPARTMENT HAVING VEHICLES ASSIGNED TO THEM. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T IF, IF, IF YOU KNEW DONELLE GIBSON, HE HAD A SAYING THAT THE ONLY THING BETTER THAN AN EV WAS A NPI WAS, YOU KNOW, WAS GETTING OUR FLEET SIDES ON OUR CONTROL, WAS WHAT HE WAS ALLUDED TO. AND SO DOING THE, THE, THE RENT, THE VEHICLE SHARING AND THE RENTAL PROGRAM IS ACTUALLY BEING WORKED OUT AT SOME OF OUR LOCATIONS RIGHT NOW. OUR, OUR DEPARTMENT AND BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CABINET SET UP AND, AND IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL RELATED AND IT, AND THE INFORMATION, GETTING IT BACK TO OUR FLEET MANAGEMENT SYSTEM SO THAT WE CAN REPORT COST PER MILE SO THAT WE CAN COME HERE AND SAY THINGS WITH GREAT DEAL OF CERTAINTY THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS INEVITABLE. WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE MAINTENANCE COST OF THESE VEHICLES BEING VERY, VERY LOW. YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S UNDENIABLE. SO THAT, UH, REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A CHANGE IN THE TRANSPORTATION INDUSTRY AND IT'S HERE TO STAY IT, LIKE I SAID, IT'S PRETTY UNDEN ISLAND AS I LOOK AT THESE THINGS. UM, 34 OUT OF OUR 114 LEVEL TWO CHARGERS ARE 100% SOLAR. THESE ARE NOT ON THE GRID, EVEN THOUGH THEY CAN BE TIED TO THE GRID. SO THAT'S 100% SOLAR, 10 DEPARTMENTS. DALLAS ANIMAL SERVICES HAS ONE OF THESE CANOPIES. DW HAS AT LEAST ONE CANOPY, UH, THAT IS LARGELY EFM CODE. UH, WE HAVE A, A, A BUS THAT, UH, TRANSPORTATION BUS, A 15 PASSENGER BUS THAT, UH, SANITATION USES. SO WE'RE STARTING TO AFFECT ALL DEPARTMENTS. AND, AND THEN, AND THEN FUEL BUTTONS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. WHAT TYPE OF VEHICLES? NOW, I'VE ALLUDED TO THIS A LITTLE BIT. SEDANS, SUVS PICKED UP PASSENGER CARS, DELIVERY VANS. WE HAVE A VAN THAT YOU SEE PLUGGED IN RIGHT THERE. THAT VAN ACTUALLY GOES OUT TO HENSLEY FIELD. IT'S A, UH, IT RUNS A ROUTE DELIVERING PARTS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE TRAVELING THROUGHOUT THE CITY. IT'S A PRETTY EFFICIENT WAY. IT'S CALLED THE HUB AND SPOKE FOR HOW WE HANDLE SOME OF OUR INTERNAL LOGISTICS. AND THAT, UH, ACTUALLY IS A PRIME VAN. IT WAS AN OVER BUILD. WE HAVE TO PROVIDE A PRETTY GOOD PRICE. AND, UH, AND IT'S WORKED OUT VERY WELL FOR US. THAT OTHER VEHICLE YOU SEE THERE IS A 15 PASSENGER VAN. WE'VE USED IT IN CITY COUNCIL EVENTS. UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT SANITATION RENTS TO DO. SOME OF ITS EDUCATION AND TRAINING. WELL, THAT VEHICLE'S BEEN TOWED IN TWICE. BUT I WILL SAY THIS, IT'S NOT FOR THE ACTUAL VEHICLE OR SOFTWARE. AND THEN WE'RE OPERATOR ERRORS. SO, YOU KNOW, GETTING BACK TO CHANGING THE CULTURE AND HOW PEOPLE VIEW SOME OF THIS TECHNOLOGY, THEY'RE GETTING IT, THEY'RE USED TO TURNING A KEY, DROP IT AND DRIVE AND GO, AND YOU HAVE TO WAIT TILL THE SOFTWARE CYCLES. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT SEQUENCE. AND SO ONE OF OUR TECHNICIANS SAID, HEY, TO AVOID THIS, SHE BUILT A, UH, UH, UH, STEP-BY-STEP PROCESS FOR, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MOUNTED IN THE TRUCK, RIGHT IN THE, IN THE BUS SO THAT YOU CAN'T MISS IT. YOU KNOW, SO WE CAN'T MAKE THOSE MISTAKES. SO, BUT, UH, AGAIN, THESE ARE PART OF OUR, UH, LEARNING CURVE, GROWING PAINS, THAT AS WE MAKE THIS TRANSITION AND MEDIUM DUTY STUFF THAT'S ORDERED, UH, WE'LL GET INTO SOME OF THE BOX VAN AND SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SAVING FUEL AND, AND DOING THINGS THAT ARE ENVIRONMENTALLY SOUND, SOME OF THESE GAS POWERED VEHICLES THAT WE'RE REPLACING, WE ARE HIGHLY EFFICIENT ALREADY. BUT YES, WE'RE GONNA GET INTO THE NEXT LEVEL. BUT WHERE CAN WE REALLY SAVE SOME MONEY? ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW, SOME OF MANY PIECE OF FIELD PRICES, AND SO WE DON'T HAVE THEM YET, BUT WE DO HAVE, UH, DESIGNS AND SOME ACTUAL GRANTS THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO COMPLETE FOR SOME MEDIUM DUTY VEHICLES AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO WHAT HAVE WE ACCOMPLISHED? AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF REAL SUBTLE [00:25:01] NUANCES IN THIS. UH, MAYBE THAT'S REDUNDANT, BUT THE NUANCES ON THIS SLIDE HERE, MEGAWATT HOURS, WE TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'VE AVERTED OR WHAT WE'VE REPLACED AND WHAT WE'VE GENERATED OFF OF THESE. THIS IS TOTAL ELECTRONIC, UH, UM, AND THEN 12 MEGAWATT HOURS OUT OF OUR SOLAR CANOPIES. SO SOME OF THIS IS FAIRLY NEW FOR US. YOU KNOW, WE JUST GOT IT GOING LAST YEAR. THE SOFTWARE WITH, WITH THIS SOFTWARE DESIGNER, YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE THE BACK AND FORTH AND THE AMOUNT OF RD THAT GOES INTO TELLING 'EM WHAT IT IS THAT WE WANT, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE NOT MANUFACTURER, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. WHEN I SAID, WELL, WHEN I SPEAK TO COMMITTEES AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, THEY'RE LOOKING IN AGGREGATE. CAN WE TALK ABOUT THIS IN AN AGGREGATE? I NEED TO GET THESE BIG NUMBERS WITHOUT GOING TO EACH DIFFERENT SITE. I THINK ALTOGETHER WE'VE GOT, I DON'T KNOW, ALMOST 26 DIFFERENT CHARGING SITES. SO, YOU KNOW, AND ADDING THIS UP BY HAND IS A LOT OF WORK. SO, YOU KNOW, GETTING SOME OF THESE PAGES TO, UH, TO LINE UP AND GIVE US INFORMATION KIND OF IN ONE FELL SWOOP IS REALLY HANDY. BUT ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS, YOU SEE THAT LITTLE GREEN ARROW UNDER THE 166.16 MEGAWATT HOURS. SO THAT'S A COMPARATIVE NUMBER. WELL, WELL, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING UNDER THE EL GREEN ARROW SAYS WE'RE UP OVER 300% FROM THE YEAR BEFORE. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN, IN, IN, IN THE NEXT THREE CATEGORIES. YOU'LL SEE 4,237 CHARGING EVENTS IS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS, 200 AND CLOSE TO 300% INCREASE OVER THE YEAR. SO WHAT THAT'S TELLING US IS OVER THE LAST 12 MONTHS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MOVING THIS THING ALONG AND, AND, AND WE'RE GETTING THINGS GOING. UM, SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS KIND OF A NICE LITTLE ADD ON OUR, SOME OF OUR REPORTING FEATURE. UH, THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND, AND REALLY THE, THE CCAP IS THE DRIVER TO ANY AND ALL OF THIS. I MEAN, THE DIRECTIVE TO MOVE THIS, I, I THINK IT'S REALLY EVOLVED A LOT FROM WHAT IT MEANT IN THE FIRST PLACE TO WHAT IT'S BECOMING TODAY. YOU KNOW, IT'S BECOMING THIS UNDENIABLE FACT THAT THERE'S VALUE IN IT AND THERE ARE SAVINGS, AND IT'S PERFECTLY PRACTICAL, YOU KNOW, UH, IS IT, IS IT THE ENTIRE SOLUTION RIGHT NOW? I'M NOT SURE, BUT WE'LL KEEP WORKING AT IT UNTIL IT BECOMES THAT, UM, CAN WE EXTEND CITY VEHICLE LIFECYCLES? YES. YOU KNOW, WE'RE SEEING THAT AS WELL. UM, ARE THERE UPFRONT COSTS? YES. ARE THERE CHALLENGES IN THIS MARKET? FOR SURE. IF YOU ASK QUESTIONS, I'LL TELL YOU ABOUT THOSE AS WELL, BUT IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE CONCEPT, OUR IDEA, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE RIGHT MOVEMENT. UM, THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, AND THEN I'LL JUST OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS. I KNOW YOU GUYS GOT A LOT TO USE, . UM, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA START WITH CHAIR HERE, MOTO, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO, UM, MR. HOFF, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. IT'S REALLY ENCOURAGING TO HEAR DALLAS TAKING THIS LEADERSHIP POSITION ON FLEET AND ALSO WITH THE BATTERY, UM, COMBINATION WITH THE SOLAR SO THAT IT'S CAN BE TOTALLY AWKWARD, UM, IF NEEDED. I AM CURIOUS WHAT THE LEAD TIME IS FOR THIS EQUIPMENT. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE BEEN DOING SOME AMAZING WORK, YOU KNOW, INCREASING ADOPTION AND BUILDING CAPACITY AND THE THREE TIMES, FOUR TIMES, YEAR OVER YEAR ENHANCEMENTS ACROSS ALL THE CATEGORIES, SIGNAL THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED MORE OF THEM. HMM. HOW EARLY DO WE HAVE TO PLAN AHEAD TO ORDER AND PROCURE MORE SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GET THEM IN OPERATION? BECAUSE IT ALSO LOOKS LIKE ON ONE OF YOUR GRAPHS, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND TARGET, SO WE MIGHT NEED TO CATCH UP A BIT. UH, THOSE, THOSE CANOPIES ACTUALLY, YOU ONLY TAKE ABOUT EIGHT TO 10 WEEKS, AND THEY DELIVER 'EM ON SITE. ONCE WE GET A A, A CONFIRMED LOCATION, WE PROVIDE THEM WITH THE ACTUAL LONGITUDE AND LATITUDE COORDINATES. THEY COME OUT, THEY DROP IT ON SITE, AND IN FOUR HOURS IT'S UP AND RUNNING. NOW IT DOES TAKE THE SOFTWARE FOR PROVIDER A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO MAKE CONNECTIONS, YOU KNOW, UH, BUT EXCUSE ME HERE. SO, BUT THE, THAT, THAT ONE OF THE FIRST SLIDES SHOWED A MERCEDES-BENZ THAT WAS PARKED AT THE LEVEL THREES, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WAS A PERSON WHEN WE FIRST OPENED THE SITE UP AND WE DIDN'T HAVE IT LOCKED DOWN, THAT INDIVIDUAL, IT POPPED UP IN HIS PHONE RIGHT AWAY, AND WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THIS. AND WHEN WE CAME OUT TO THE SITE, SOMEBODY WAS ALREADY PLUGGED INTO IT AND, OH, FREE CHARGING . RIGHT? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE LEARNED THE HARD WAY THAT, WELL, I COULDN'T UNPLUG IT, I COULDN'T MOVE IT. AND IF YOU LOOKED THE WAY HE WAS PARKED THERE, HE WAS LIKE ACROSS THREE PARKING SPOTS, SO WE COULDN'T CHARGE ANYTHING. SO, YOU KNOW, UH, IT MADE ME A LITTLE BIT UNHAPPY FOR A LITTLE WHILE, , BUT I, I WAS WONDERING HOW MANY MERCEDES-BENZ THE CITY OWNS [00:30:01] . YEAH. A GOOD CATCH THAT THAT'S REALLY, UM, AMAZING. ONLY EIGHT TO 10 WEEKS OF LEAD TIME, PLUS A LITTLE BIT FOR SOFTWARE KIND OF CONNECTIVITY. YEAH. SO I, MY QUESTION TO YOU THEN IS WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM THE COMMISSION OR FROM CITY COUNCIL TO GET MORE OF THESE? BECAUSE IF THEY'RE, IF WE'RE GETTING TO A POINT WHERE THEY'RE STARTING TO PAY FOR THEMSELVES AND THEY'RE SAVING OPERATING COSTS, AND WE HAVE BUDGET CRUNCHES ACROSS THE CITY, AND COST OF FUEL IS GOING UP, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE LOOKING INTO. WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, UH, CALLING THESE TYPE OF BRIEFINGS AND, AND RECEIVING THIS INFORMATION AND TALKING ABOUT IT HELPS ME AND OUR, MY TEAM SELL THE, I DON'T WANNA SAY SELL IT. UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE RIGHT WAY TO, BUT IT HELPS US EXPAND OUR, SHARE THE GOOD WORD. YOU'RE RIGHT. SPREAD THE WORD, YOU KNOW, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. AND, YOU KNOW, UH, WE GONE THROUGH SOME MARKET CHA CHALLENGES. YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD ONE VENDOR CUT 60 ORDERS ON US LAST YEAR, AND THEN ANOTHER ORDER OF, UH, 40. AND THEN THE YEAR BEFORE THAT, YOU KNOW, SO WE'VE SEEN SOME VENDOR CHALLENGES. UH, WE'VE HAD VENDORS GO OUT OF BUSINESS THAT HAVE PRODUCED VEHICLES FOR US. UM, FORTUNATELY THE VEHICLES HAVEN'T GIVEN US ANY PROBLEMS. I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN HOW THESE MANUFACTURERS ARE GOING TO REAPPROACH. YOU KNOW, WE ONLY HAVE REALLY ONE, THERE'S REALLY TWO MANUFACTURERS PRODUCING VEHICLES THAT ARE WITHIN OUR PRICE POINTS RIGHT NOW. UM, SO, AND YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THERE IS A PREMIUM ATTACHED TO IT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF UPSIDE TO IT THAT WILL OUTWEIGH THE PREMIUM IN THE LONG, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY, WHAT I NEED, YOU KNOW, UH, RIGHT NOW THE CITY'S, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS IS HELPING US, IS CONTRIBUTING AND IS PROVIDING EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD. YOU KNOW, I WISH TECHNOLOGY WOULD SORT ITSELF OUT, BUT, UH, THAT WAY YOU CAN COMMIT TO THINGS. WELL, THAT'S FANTASTIC. I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT YOU'RE GETTING THE SUPPORT YOU NEED. KEEP UP. GREAT WORK. THANK YOU. I THAT. ALL RIGHT, MR. HOFFMAN, GO AHEAD. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATIONS. THIS IS REALLY EXCITING TO HEAR. UH, THIS COMING OUT OF THE CCAP, UH, WE, WE SPENT GREAT MANY YEARS WORKING ON SEEING, SEEING THIS HAPPEN. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT, I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, BUT I WON'T, I'LL TRY AND LIMIT IT. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT, UM, WHAT'S YOUR OLDEST VEHICLE IN THE FLEET AND WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU HEAR ABOUT BATTERY DEGRADATION OR ISSUES ALONG THOSE LINES. ARE YOU ANTICIPATING, 'CAUSE I'VE HEARD THAT, UH, THE BATTERIES ARE TYPICALLY GOOD FOR ABOUT EIGHT TO 10 YEARS, LITHIUM, UH, ION BATTERIES, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE DEGRADATION. I'VE HEARD THAT THAT'S NOT BEEN THE CASE IN A LOT OF APPLICATIONS WHERE THE BATTERY DEGRADATION HAS NOT BEEN AS HIGH. BUT GIVEN THAT ON A PER, DO YOU HAVE A ROUGH NUMBER FOR PER MILE SAVINGS VERSUS, UH, A GASOLINE OR DIESEL CAR? UH, FLEET VEHICLE? YOU KNOW WHAT I, I I, I HAVE COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, I'VE LOOKED AT GROUPS OF VEHICLES IN SMALL CHUNKS OF TIME, AND SOMETIMES IT'S NOT ALL THE WAY FAIR TO SAY, HEY, WHEN DOES THIS THING BECOME A, A FINANCIAL BURDEN? BUT I WANNA, BEFORE I ANSWER THAT QUESTION IN DETAIL, I DO WANNA SAY THAT WE STILL HAVE SOME 2000 TWELVES NOW. I THINK THEY'RE ON THEIR WAY OUT OF THE FLEET. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, BUT WE DID NOT HAVE ANY BATTERY FAILURE IN THOSE VEHICLES. I'M NOT SAYING THAT OTHER PEOPLE MAY NOT HAVE EXPERIENCED IT. WE DID NOT. AND THOSE VEHICLES KEEP IN MIND, THEY DIDN'T GET USED AS INTENSELY. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AGE AND LIFE CYCLES MM-HMM . IT'S LIKE A BUILDING IN AGE. WELL, IT'S THE INTENSITY OF THE USE. WE COULD STAND THERE FOR A HUNDRED YEARS, THE BILL GOES INSIDE IT AND BE PERFECT. BUT IF IT'S GOT A HIGH CHURN RATE, YOU KNOW, SO GETTING BACK TO THE, THE VEHICLE AS WELL. THIS VEHICLES GROUP THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT IN 2012, WHICH IS BEFORE MY TIME HERE AT THE CITY ANYWAYS, UH, DIDN'T HAVE ANY MAJOR BA BATTERY FAILURES ON THEM. AND THEY WERE ABOUT 27 CENTS A MILE TO RUN. AND THAT'S WITH WIPERS AND BATTERIES. AND THEN THERE WOULD BE OCCASIONAL THINGS LIKE A WINDOW MOTOR OR SMALL, BUT WE HAVE THAT WITH OTHER VEHICLES. WHAT ABOUT LIKE BRAKES? I MEAN, SINCE YOU'RE DOING REGEN, YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO A LOT OF BRAKE JOBS, SO, NO, SIR, WE HAVEN'T, UH, I I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME REALLY GOOD DATA HERE VERY SOON, ESPECIALLY IN THE MEDIUM DUTY PICKUP TRUCK. SO WE'VE GOT A LARGE SWAP OF THOSE MM-HMM . WE HAVE SOME COMPACT STYLE CARS IN OUR MOTOR POOL. UM, BUT THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF SHORT RENTALS, YOU KNOW, LIKE MM-HMM. SIX MILES HERE, FIVE MILES HERE, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM . CITY DRIVING IS A DIFFERENT THAN HOW WE MIGHT THINK OF OUR OWN FAMILY VACATIONS [00:35:01] OR DRIVING TO WORK. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF I ANSWERED THAT QUESTION. I DON'T HAVE A GOOD DOUBLE BY. YEAH. UH, THAT, THAT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING NUMBER TO SEE. AND THAT PLUS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FACTORING IN THE, THE MAINTENANCE OF THE VEHICLE AS THAT PER MILE COST TOO, BECAUSE I KNOW IT, IF THERE'S VERY LITTLE INCIDENT OF REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE THAT'S GONNA DRIVE THAT PER MILE COST WAY DOWN, YOU, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THE TOTAL COST OF OWNERSHIP MODEL, WHICH IS PART OF A 2018 STUDY THAT THE CITY DID, AND, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS VERY COMMON IN OUR INDUSTRY. SO IT LOOKS AT DEPRECIATION, WHICH IS ONE THING THAT PROBABLY WILL, UH, UH, BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER NUMBER ON THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE AS THE MARKETS ARE QUITE MM-HMM . DEVELOPED YET FOR THE RESALE. BUT THE, SO THAT'S ONE AREA THAT IT MIGHT SUFFER A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE MAINTENANCE AND THE FUEL COSTS, IT'S, IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE FIRED ABOVE. SO, UH, HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH REGARD TO, UH, LET'S SAY THE CANTON BUILDING, UH, WHERE YOU COULD HAVE A LOT, SEVERAL VEHICLES RATHER THAN EVEN MAYBE NOT USING THE CANOPIES, BUT ACTUALLY DOING COVERED PARKING WITH THE SOLAR AND THEN ACTUALLY TIED INTO THE BUILDING? SO THERE'S SOME SYNERGY, UH, OVERLAP THE, UH, THE SOLAR CANOPY ON A BIGGER SCALE LIKE YOU MIGHT SEE OUT IN ARIZONA WITH A PARKING LOT COVERED. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE LOOKED AT, WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF GOOD RESOURCES FOR ONLY UNTIL MAYBE TODAY OR YESTERDAY. UH, AND SO IT IS, IN FACT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE TO BRING TO A BUILDING DESIGN THAT'S HAPPENING FOR OUR SOUTHEAST SERVICE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT CAN HAPPEN OR NOT. WELL, AND COULD YOU ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR FOR PURCHASES, BUT I'VE GOT HOMEOWNERS. WE'VE SEEN HOMES WHERE THEY'VE GOT BATTERY BACKUP AND THEY'RE, THEY'VE GOT SPECIAL RATES FOR NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS, AND PEOPLE ARE REALLY GAMING IT, UH, AND REALLY GETTING VERY, VERY LOW ENERGY COSTS. I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA PAY A COMMERCIAL RATE WITH THE CITY, BUT THERE'S A WAY TO REALLY KIND OF WIN THAT PANEL'S NOT BEING USED TO CHARGE THE BATTERY. IT CAN MAYBE SWITCH OVER TO A BUILDING AND JUST THROW POWER OVER THERE SO THAT THERE'S, THERE'S A WAY TO DO THAT ON A BIGGER SCALE WHERE EVERYTHING COMES DOWN. SO, UH, WHEN, WHEN THE, WHEN THE BATTERIES AREN'T BEING USED TO CHARGE THE VEHICLES THAT POWER USE CAN FEED THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW? SO NO, NO, I I, I, I COULDN'T AGREE MORE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THESE HOT SPOTS IN THE CITIES AND, YOU KNOW, I, AND, AND YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT A PARKING LOT LOOKS LIKE, IT'S JUST SUCH, YOU KNOW, I WAS OUT IN ARIZONA AND IT'S A GROCERY STORE CALLED BAES, AND THEIR WHOLE PARKING LOT WAS SOLD CANOPY. YEAH. AND IT WAS COOLER. YEAH. I CREATED A WIND. I MEAN, LIKE I WAS IN ARIZONA. I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY A BRILLIANT USE OF A SPACE. WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M, IT'S EXCITING TO HEAR ABOUT. YEAH, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO IT. ALL RIGHT. VICE CHAIR WALLACE. THANK YOU. UM, I'VE GOT A FEW QUESTIONS. UM, WHAT PERCENT OF OUR FLEET IS EV AT THIS POINT? AND I WANNA MAKE SURE I QUALIFY THIS. OKAY. THAT CCAP SAYS LIGHT DUTY SPECIFICALLY, RIGHT? LIGHT DUTY ON OUR FLEET SIDE IS ABOUT, HMM, 18 TO 1900 VEHICLES, SOMEWHERE IN THERE. AND THAT'S IN OUR, IN OUR GENERAL FLEET POPULATION. AND WE'RE JUST OVER 200 AT THIS TIME THAT ARE EITHER PLUGIN, HYBRID OR PULL UP ELECTRIC. AND WE HAVE ANOTHER, I THINK IT'S 30 OR 35 THAT WE'LL SEE JANUARY, FEBRUARY TIMEFRAME. AND, UM, AND THEN THERE'S SOME OF THESE MEDIUM DUTY, UH, RENT VEHICLES THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. OKAY. UM, UM, AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT CHICAGO FOR SEVERAL YEARS HAS USED EV GARBAGE TRUCKS. MM-HMM. AND, UM, AS YOU AND I WERE DISCUSSING BEFOREHAND, THE COLD WEATHER IS MUCH HARDER ON AN EV THAN HOT WEATHER. MM-HMM . UM, IS THAT ON OUR HORIZON, INCREASING THE NUMBER OF EV GARBAGE TRUCKS? AND I, I HAVE BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE BECAUSE IT REALLY IS AN EQUITY ISSUE FOR THE MEN, AND IT'S, UH, UH, LARGELY MEN WHO I SEE ON THE BACKS OF THESE, UM, BREATHING IN FUMES. SURE. UH, THE SANITATION REALLY HAS A LOT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THEY SPEC AND DESIGN THEIR TRUCKS IS LARGELY AROUND THEIR BUSINESS MODEL, AND I DON'T, WE DON'T GET THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, TIED INTO, UH, YOU KNOW, I GUESS IF YOU WILL, DESIGNING THAT FOR THEM. I MEAN, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF INPUT, BUT IT IS STILL SOLELY THEIR FALL. AND I DO [00:40:01] BELIEVE THAT THERE IS AT LEAST ONE VEHICLE. UH, AND THIS WAS A VEHICLE THAT ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO, I THINK WE WERE GONNA GET GRANT FUNDING FOR MM-HMM . AND THEN THE MANUFACTURER OF THE TRUCK WENT OUT OF BUSINESS, AND SO WE HAD TO CHANGE, AND THEN THE COG WANTED TO REVIEW THE NEW MANUFACTURER TO SEE HOW MUCH IT WAS AMERICAN MADE. SO IT'S KIND OF GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS TWICE. AND, AND THEN, THEN, THEN THE APPLICATION OF THE VEHICLE ALSO CHANGED. SO, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF SNAGS THERE, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT'S ON THE HORIZON FOR SANITATION. I KNOW CLIFF COULD SPEAK BETTER TO THAT THAN OKAY. OKAY. THAN I, UH, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW THAT WAS SPLIT UP. SURE. UM, WHAT IS THE COST OF ONE OF THE SOLAR CANOPIES? THOSE SOLAR CANOPIES, DEPENDING ON WHAT SIZE YOU GET, THEY'LL RUN BETWEEN, UH, CLOSE TO $67,000 UP TO 80, AND ONCE WE BUY, HAVE THE CAPACITY TO, UH, BE ON GRID AS WELL. MM-HMM . SO THEY'RE THE MORE EXPENSIVE ONE. AND THAT WAS WITH THE DELIVERY COST AND THE INSTALLATION. AND I DO BELIEVE THE LAST BATCH WE BOUGHT WERE ELIGIBLE FOR GRANT. MM-HMM . SOME LEVEL OF GRANT FUNDING, AND I THINK THAT'S WORKED OUT THROUGH THE CC, UH, O OFFICE. I'D HAVE TO GET THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU. AND THE FACT THAT THEY'RE MOVABLE IS AMAZING TO ME. MM-HMM . UM, AND SO FOR THE EVS THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT ARE AGING OUT MM-HMM . WILL THOSE BE SOLD AND HOW WILL THEY BE SOLD? AND EVERYTHING IS DONE THROUGH AUCTION, SO THEY WILL THEN WILL GO THROUGH, UH, OUR AUCTION PROVIDER. COOL. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION, I'M SORRY, YOU HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS. THIS IS LIKE, I'M TICKLED PINK WITH THIS. UM, DO WE HAVE OUR OWN EV MAINTENANCE TECHNICIANS OR IS THAT SOMETHING PROVIDED? OKAY. WE'VE ACTUALLY BROUGHT OUR, UH, UH, SERVICE PROVIDER, WE'VE HAD THEM COME OUT ON SITE AND TRAINED SPECIFICALLY ON SOME OF THE VEHICLES THAT WE, WHERE THEY RECOGNIZE WHAT TABLING THEY CAN TOUCH, WHAT TABLING THEY CAN'T TOUCH. UH, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN MORE OF A STRUGGLE IN THE AFTERMARKET WHERE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY ON THE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD ONE THAT WAS IN AN ACCIDENT. THERE WASN'T VERY BIG ACCIDENT, BUT THERE WAS VERY LITTLE TOLERANCE FOR WHAT THEY WOULD REPAIR ON THE VEHICLE ITSELF. AND SO THAT, YOU KNOW, FORTUNATELY IT WAS A SMALLER VEHICLE, IT WASN'T A REAL EXPENSIVE ONE, BUT, SO, BUT OUR, YES, WE HAVE HAD AT LEAST, I WOULD SAY, THREE TO FIVE SPECIFIC EB TRAININGS. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, AND SOME OF THE LANGUAGE IS UNIVERSAL ON THESE VEHICLES, LIKE THE COLOR CODING OR THE VOLTAGE OF THE WATER AND WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T TOUCH. UM, WE EVEN TALKED TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WHEN WE STARTED BUYING THESE THINGS. YOU GUYS HAD THE CAPACITY TO DEAL WITH SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, UH, SHOULD IT IGNITE SHOWED US THAT. AND JUST TO LET MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS KNOW. UM, SO I ATTENDED A MEETING WHERE I HEARD MR. VINCENT OLSON ALSO SPEAKING, HE WAS ATTENDING THROUGH THE COG ON, UH, NCT COG ON FLEETS. AND, UM, SO, UM, I'VE RECOMMENDED A COUPLE OF COMPANIES TO HIM THAT CAN PROVIDE SOLAR CANOPIES. AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THE HUNT EXCEPT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE Y'ALL GET IN TOUCH WITH GOOD COMPANIES. YEAH. THAT, I MEAN, I THINK THAT THAT'S AN ANOTHER REAL ESTATE, YOU KNOW, THAT IS FROM MARKETER, MAYBE UNPACK THAT IS THESE REAL TOPS IN THESE PARKING LOTS AND SOLAR CANOP ENERGY THAT CAN BE GATHERED THERE. YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH IT? YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING. THANK YOU FOR SUCH AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, DR. LACKMAN. YEAH. UM, I, I'M CURIOUS IN LOOKING, THIS IS A VERY USEFUL, UH, PRESENTATION, SO I THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, SIR. UM, I WAS CURIOUS IN LOOKING AT WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND WHAT I DIDN'T HEAR, MAYBE IT'S WHAT I DIDN'T HEAR IS WHETHER YOUR PRESENT CAPACITY IS SUFFICIENT TO MEET YOUR NEEDS AND IF, UH, THE CAPACITY EXCEEDS YOUR NEEDS. UM, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THE IDEA OF MARKETING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE IN THAT SOFTWARE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT AS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE EVALUATIONS IS WHAT CAPACITY ARE YOU USING YOUR CHARGERS? AND YOU'RE RIGHT, RIGHT NOW WE'RE GENERATING MORE THAN WE CONSUME. SO WHAT CAN WE DO WITH THE, YOU KNOW, ORDER MORE VEHICLES, REPLACE, I HAVE AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE, I'D LOVE TO ENRICH THE CITY INSTEAD OF SOMEBODY ELSE IF I NEED TO CHARGE . NO, I, I, UH, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT IS, THAT IS, YEAH, I THINK IT'S STILL CONFOUNDING PEOPLE IN TERMS OF HOW DO WE DIVIDE UP THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES. YOU KNOW, 95% OF THE TIME WE'LL HAVE A GREAT INTERACTION IN EXCHANGE, AND YOU'LL COME AND YOU'LL CHARGE YOUR VEHICLE AND YOU PLUG IN, YOU'LL GO BUY YOUR BUSINESS, AND THEN SOONER OR LATER SOMEONE'S GONNA DRIVE OFF AND RIP THE CABLE [00:45:01] OFF AND RIP THE CHARGER DOWN AND THEY'LL BE $7,500 WORTH OF CHARGE. YOU KNOW? AND SO HOW DO WE SORT THROUGH THAT STUFF? AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AS A CITY, DO WE WANT SECONDARY OR PRIVATE MARKETS TO TAKE THIS OVER AND WE WANT THEM TO DEVELOP IT? AND I DON'T KNOW, I KNOW THAT'S A, YOU GUYS HAVE FIGURED THAT OUT IN THIS , SO GO AHEAD, MISS THIS. UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. LIKE EVERYONE HAS SAID SO FAR. FABULOUS. THIS IS SO EXCITING. UM, BUT I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. YES, MA'AM. UM, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE MADE SOME GREAT PROGRESS HERE IN THE CITY, SO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK. UM, HOW DO WE COMPARE TO WHAT IS BEING DONE IN OTHER CITIES THAT ARE MAYBE FURTHER ALONG? I'M KIND OF CURIOUS, LIKE WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR US TO BE LIKE THE POSTER CHILD OF ROLLING THIS OUT? HMM. IT'S A GREAT QUESTION BECAUSE THERE'S WEST COAST CITIES THAT ARE, THAT ARE, THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, WAY BEYOND, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, IT'S AN INTRIGUING DISCUSSION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY HAVE KIND OF, WE HAVE A BAD BIG BATTERY DEVELOPMENT HERE IN MUSK SKI. WE HAVE CAR PRODUCTION OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES HERE IN THE STATE. SO WE'RE A BIG PRODUCER OF THIS ENTIRE MARKET. AND SO HOW DO WE GET TO THAT? UH, YEAH. HOW DO WE BEAT CALIFORNIA? YEAH. YOU KNOW, I, I WONDER IF THE ANSWER ISN'T, YOU KNOW, DEEPER INTO THE MEDIUM TRUCK SIDE OF IT MM-HMM . BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A CITY, ONE THING THAT WE HAVE IS A REALLY DIVERSE FLEET. I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S OFTEN OVERLOOKED. YOU CAN TAKE YOUR CARD, WHICHEVER MANUFACTURER YOU BOUGHT IT FROM AND ASK THEM TO FIX IT, BUT IF YOU OWNED A SANITATION TRUCK AND TOOK IT IN THERE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA FIX IT. WE HAVE TO ABSORB ALL THOSE THINGS IN OUR FLEET GARAGES. AND SO WHEN WE BUILD A SHOP, WE TALK ABOUT BASE SIZE, WE TALK ABOUT GARAGE DOOR HEIGHT, THEY'RE ALL MADE TO ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THESE WORST CASE SCENARIOS. BUT HOW DO WE GET THERE? YOU KNOW, BACK TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION MORE, MORE DIRECTLY, I THINK IT'S TO TO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A GOOD VEHICLE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM THAT'S FUNDED BY THE CITY. I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP USING IT AS WE ARE SELECTING VEHICLES, PUSHING THE DEPARTMENTS, TRAINING DEPARTMENTS, AND THEN LOOK FOR THESE MEDIUM DUTY VEHICLES THAT REALLY AREN'T EVEN PART OF THE CA AGAIN, CCAP IS VERY SPECIFIC TO LIGHT DUTY VEHICLES, WHICH TECHNICALLY IS IMPORTANT TO THE FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARD IS 10,000 POUNDS AND UNDERS CLASS ONE AND CLASS TWO, WE'RE LOOKING AT GETTING INTO SOME OF THE CLASS THREE FOURS AND FIVES WHERE WE'LL HAVE AN APPLICATION FOR THIS. UM, AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD DESIGNS, A GOOD TECHNOLOGY COMING, YOU KNOW, GOING TO SOME OF THESE EV SEMINARS. I MEAN, I'VE BEEN IN THIS INDUSTRY 37 YEARS AND I, I'M REVITALIZE ME TO SEE SOME OF THE THINGS PEOPLE HAVE ENGINEERED AND THOUGHT OF. YOU KNOW, IMAGINE A-A-A-A-A PARKS AND REC VEHICLE THAT CAN CHARGE ITS BATTERIES BECAUSE IT'S AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE ON THE SITE. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, THAT HAS THE CAPACITY TO GET THERE AND BACK. UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY GOOD THINGS HAPPENING IN THE TRANSPORTATION INDUSTRY, AND I THINK CONTINUING TO FOCUS ON CENTRAL FLEET IN ACCORDANCE WITH CCA AND CONTINUE TO TRY TO MOVE THIS MEDIUM DUTY. AND PLEASE PUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HIS SANITATION. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. GO AHEAD ELLEN. I, I'M SEEING SEVERAL OF THE, UH, MEDIUM HALF, UH, WELL HALF HAVE PICKUPS MM-HMM . IN THE, UH, BUILDING INSPECTION DEPARTMENT. SURE. DO THEY HAVE A, UH, AND MANY OF TIMES THOSE LEAVE FROM THE DIFFERENT, UH, SATELLITE LOCATIONS FOR THE DEPARTMENT. DO SO IN, FOR INSTANCE, IF THE SOUTHEAST DIVISION WHERE THE INSPECTORS LEAVE IN THE MORNING, GO AHEAD AND GO CHECK OUT BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEING BUILT. WOULD THEY HAVE A CANOPY THERE? IS THAT HOW THEY'RE DISTRIBUTOR AROUND THE CITY? UH, I THINK THERE IS ONE AT THE SOUTHEAST. I KNOW THERE'S A LEVEL THREE CHARGING THERE. MM-HMM . UM, INTERESTING. THE WAY THE GRID IS SET UP IN THE CITY, WE SEEM TO HAVE PROBLEMS UP AT THE NORTHWEST LOCATION IN TERMS OF CAPACITY AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WORKING WITH THE UTILITIES HAS BEEN OF A CHALLENGE, BUT TO YOUR POINT, LIKE THERE'S A REMOTE LOCATION. THERE'S SEVERAL REMOTE LOCATIONS THAT HAVE THE CANOPIES AND SEVERAL THAT HAVE ACTUAL ON GRID LOAD CHAR. SO, UH, YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF LOCATION. THANK YOU. I JUST STEPPED GEARS. THANK YOU. YEAH. YES, SIR. ANYBODY ONLINE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO. [00:50:01] YEAH. CHAIRMAN GARETH. OH, GO AHEAD. UM, VINCENT, UM, YOU SAID YOU HAD SOME VEHICLES COMING IN. IS THAT OFF OF THIS PAST YEAR'S BUDGET? OR IS THIS FROM THIS YEAR'S BUDGET? UH, THIS IS FROM THE PAST YEAR'S BUDGET. SO WHAT HAPPENED IS WE HAD ONE VENDOR BACK OUT ON AN ORDER OF 60. UH, AND, UH, AND THEN SO WE CIRCLED BACK ON ANOTHER VENDOR THAT WAS ABLE TO SUPPLY A LITTLE BIT HIGHER PRICE POINT ON THEM. UH, BUT WE DID GET, UH, DIFFERENT MANUFACTURER OF VEHICLES, AND THAT'S OFF LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. THIS YEAR WE'RE JUST GETTING INTO KIND OF TAKING APART THIS YEAR'S FLEET, IF YOU WILL, UM, UH, AND FINDING OUT WHERE WE CAN FIT MORE VEHICLES IN. AND I THINK AT ONE TIME YOU AND I HAD TALKED AT A BUDGET MEETING THAT YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT MORE LIGHT DUTY TRUCKS, FOR INSTANCE, OR MEDIUM DUTY. YES, MA'AM. MA'AM, HAVE WE, HAVE WE ORDERED ANY MORE, UH, BY CHANCE? UH, THAT WE HAVE A COUPLE OF GRANTS WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO FLUSH OUT ON THAT. WE JUST HAD A MEETING AGAIN TODAY ON THIS INTERNALLY ON HOW THE GRANT PROCESS IS WORKING TO GET THESE DONE. UH, BUT WE HAVE NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE BUSES THAT WE DID, THE VANS THAT WE DID, BUT GETTING INTO SOME OF THE FLATBED TRUCKS AND THE BUILD DESIGNS THERE, UM, WE HAVEN'T ORDERED, WE HAVEN'T PHYSICALLY ORDERED ANYTHING YET, UH, FOR 2027, UH, IN TERMS OF ELECTRIC GEAR. SO WHAT WE'RE RECEIVING THIS YEAR WAS LAST YEAR'S ORDER. AND, UM, WE'RE JUST KIND OF ORGANIZING OUR PLANS FOR THIS YEAR. AND I'M SURE YOU GO AHEAD. OH, I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD AND FINISH YOUR, HE, I'M, I'M SURE SOMEONE WILL, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE'LL SAY, WHAT'D YOU GUYS ORDER? YOU KNOW, WE'LL HOPEFULLY BE ABLE BACK HERE IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AND LET YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT WE CAME UP WITH. AND BACK TO THE CANOPIES. UM, IF YOU, LET'S SAY DALLAS WASN'T IN THE BUDGET CRUNCH, WE JUST SAW THIS, UM, LAST VOTE VOTE, UM, AND YOU COULD ORDER MORE SO SOLAR CANOPIES. IF, IF YOU COULD RIGHT NOW, HOW MANY MORE WOULD YOU WANT IF YOU COULD, IF THE BUDGET WAS IN BETTER SHAPE THAN YOU? AND I'VE SEEN IT LATELY. YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT, UH, A, BASED ON THE SUCCESS THAT WE'VE HAD, I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD EASILY GET ALONG WITH ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST 10 TO 15, UPWARDS OF 20 OF 'EM. BUT WHAT I WOULD DO IS I WOULD TAKE A TARGETED APPROACH WITH, UH, MY COUNTERPARTS IN THESE, SOME OF THESE DEPARTMENTS AND LOOK AT THEIR REMOTE LOCATIONS, UH, IT WAS TALKED ABOUT AND START, YOU KNOW, TRIGGERING THESE FOLKS TO, UH, LOOK AT DIFFERENT STYLE OF VEHICLES. AND, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COUPLE OF NEW COMPANIES THAT ARE JUST GETTING INTO THE MARKETPLACE NOW WHERE PICKUP TRUCKS ARE VERY PURPOSE BUILT. THEIR PRICE POINT IS IN THE HIGH TWENTIES, THEY'RE FULLY ELECTRIC EVEN WITH DUMPING BODIES, BUT THEY'RE NOT QUITE AS BIG AS WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE A HALF TON TRUCK. THERE MAY BE MORE IN THE SIZE OF THE DAKOTAS OR, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE, AGAIN, IT'S A NEW FIRM. AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR THOSE GROUPS THERE. AND I WOULD PROBABLY ASK FOR SOME OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS TO SAY, HEY, LET'S, INSTEAD OF BUYING THESE TRUCKS AND DIESELS AND WHICH GOTTEN AWAY FROM A LOT OF THAT, LOOK AT SOME OF THESE VEHICLES OPTIONS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AIR CONDITIONING AND THE WAY IT WORKS ON SOME OF THESE DVS. IN SOME INSTANCES I THINK IT'S PULLING ON THE GAS VEHICLES, BUT, YOU KNOW. AND THEN, UH, ONE LAST QUESTION IS, WE KNOW DIESEL PRICES ARE SKY HIGH. MM-HMM . HOW IS THAT, HOW IS THAT AFFECTING YOUR DEPARTMENT? WELL, WITH WHATEVER VEHICLES YOU HAVE, IT'S UNDENIABLE THAT, UH, THE, THE PRICE OF DIESEL FUEL RIGHT NOW IS, UH, IS HURTING ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY. THE ADVANTAGE. NOW, I DON'T WANNA SAY THE ADVANTAGE, WE GENERALLY USE A BLENDED RATE PRICE, UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT ALL OUR VARIOUS FUELS, AND LAST YEAR WE HAD, WE WERE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE FOR THE FIRST HALF OF THE YEAR, AND THEN WE GOT CLOBBERED IN THE LAST HALF OF THE YEAR. SO WE STILL WERE ABLE TO SHAKE THROUGH SOME OF THAT. UH, BUT THIS YEAR, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S STARTING OUT TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE AND, UH MM-HMM . SO THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF THAT WE NEED TO TALK TO THESE DEPARTMENTS ABOUT. THESE ARE YOUR BUDGETS. DO YOU WANNA SAVE FUEL OR DON'T YOU? BECAUSE HERE'S A REAL STRATEGY TO DO IT, YOU KNOW? RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. YES, MA'AM. [00:55:01] ALRIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? MR. OLSON, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I HAVE JUST ONE QUESTION, ONE OR TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU. UM, DID I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY THAT IT'S 27 CENTS A MILE TO CHARGE? UH, NO, NOT TO CHARGE. THAT WAS THE LOADED MAINTENANCE COST. OKAY. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT A TOTAL COST OF OWNERSHIP WILL BE A DEPRECIATION, WHICH THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE A DEPRECIATION. MM-HMM . IT'LL BE A MAINTENANCE COST, UH, AND, UM, LAST A FUEL. YEAH. MM-HMM . AND IF YOU WERE TO LOOK IN OUR, LIKE OUR FLEET MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE, IT'LL GET, IT'LL ALLOW YOU TO PUT OIL AND ALLOW YOU TO, IT'LL ALLOW YOU TO BREAK IT OUT IN DIFFERENT WAYS. RIGHT. BUT SIMPLY PUT, THIS IS THE WAY WE VIEW IT. YEAH. I THINK, UM, THE PROGRAM IS FANTASTIC. WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS KIND OF UPDATE, UM, SO THAT WE CAN SEE THE PROGRESS THAT WE IS MAKING. RIGHT. WE HEAR THAT THEY'RE BUYING THE EVS. I THINK THIS IS LIKE THE NEXT STEP, UM, IN, IN MAKING THE CHARGERS OFF GRID AND BRINGING THOSE OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED HERE WITH THE EVEN THE GRID CONNECTED. UM, I THINK THAT YOUR CUSTOMERS WITHIN THE CITY HAVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN YOU. AND BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING OUT AND YOU'RE HAVING A LOT OF, OF OPPORTUNITIES TO LEARN ABOUT THESE NEW TECHNOLOGIES AND BRING THEM BACK TO THE CITY OF DALLAS, THEN YOU ARE, YOU'RE GETTING, I FORGET HOW MANY 10 DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE NOW PART OF THIS, THIS PROGRAM. THAT'S REALLY PHENOMENAL. SO, UH, WE WANNA JUST EXTEND KUDOS TO YOU. THANK YOU FOR, FOR WORKING ON THIS PROGRAM AND FOR ADVANCING CAP AND FOR BRINGING THIS UPDATE TO US. WE WILL LOOK FORWARD TO DOING, UM, MORE UPDATES ABOUT THE NEW EDS AND ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE. UM, AND, AND DON'T WANNA TAKE UP ANY MORE OF YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. YOU KNOW, IT'S A LONG DAY WHEN YOU AGREE TO STAY FOR THESE AFTER HOURS COMMITTEE MEETINGS. JUST APPRECIATE YOU AND, AND, AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING. AND FOR STAYING WITH US. ASK ONE MORE QUICK THANK YOU. MAY MAYBE I'LL LET, LET'S LET OKAY. LET HIM LET IT, LET, LET HIM GO HOME. BUT YEAH. UM, WELL, WE MIGHT SEND YOU SOME FOLLOW UP EMAILS IF THAT'S OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. SURE. THANK YOU, VINCENT. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. THAT'S OKAY. GO. OKAY. [VI.b. Texas Conservation Alliance, Bird Migration and Lights Out] BRIEFING ITEM TWO IS, UH, ITEM B, UM, IS AN UPDATE FROM THE TEXAS CONSERVATION ALLIANCE BIRD MIGRATION AND LIGHTS OUT. MS. LING, THE EDUCATION SPECIALIST WITH TCA IS HERE TO PRESENT. YOU CAN SIT ANYWHERE THERE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE. CHOOSE THE MICROPHONE. WELCOME. YOU CAN BEGIN WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. UM, I THINK SHE'S ASKING IF YOU CAN MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT BIGGER. CAN MS SCREEN BE BIGGER? JUST A LITTLE? YEAH. I THINK IF YOU GO INTO PRESENTATION MODE, IT'LL TAKE THE SIDEBAR AWAY AND IT'LL BE THE . WE HAVE A COPY OF IT TOO, SO DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO PUT IT UP THERE. YOU JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON BEFORE YOU START IN CONTROL. YEAH. OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO FROM THERE, JULIE. ALL RIGHT. I GUESS I'LL GO AHEAD AND START. SO, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS AND EVERYONE WHO JOINED US TONIGHT. UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR INVITING US TO SPEAK TONIGHT. SO I'M ME LI WITH TEXAS CONSERVATION ALLIANCE. SORRY, IT'S LITTLE SQUISHED ON THE SCREEN. UM, JULIE, I THINK IT MIGHT BE BETTER FOR YOU TO SHARE. WOULD YOU MIND SHARING FROM THOSE SLIDES? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I THINK IT'S, IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD ON THE SLIDES. [01:00:01] OKAY. IT MIGHT BE BETTER. YEAH. SO, UH, BEFORE WE START AND UM, I WANT TO THANK, UH, EVERYONE. SO SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER AROUND THIS TIME LAST YEAR WE WERE HERE, UM, WITH OUR PARTNERS ENVIRONMENTAL, TEXAS, AUDUBON, TEXAS, DISCUSSING THE BIRTH AND LEGAL CLASS ABOUT THE CONVENTION CENTER. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOU BEING PART OF THE CONVERSATION AND BECAUSE ALL THE EFFORTS WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. SO TONIGHT I WANT TO KIND OF EXPAND A LITTLE BIT MORE, THE DISCUSSION TO TALK ABOUT LIGHTS OUT, UH, LIGHT POLLUTION AND WINDOW COLLISION. OKAY, GREAT. SO MANY OF YOU PROBABLY HAVE SEEN, UH, THE BIRDS IN YOUR EVERYDAY LIFE. IT CAN BE IN THE PARKING LOT OR OUTSIDE OF YOUR OFFICE OR IN THE BACKYARD. AND SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE EVEN HAVE THE BIRD FEEDERS AT HOME. SO OVERALL BIRDS KIND OF STAY. UM, IT'S JUST PART OF OUR EVERYDAY JOURNEY IN GENERAL. SO FROM TAKING THE TIME TO WATCH AND LISTEN TO BIRDS CAN SUPPORT OUR MENTAL HEALTH AND HELP REDUCE STRESS AND GIVE OUR BRAIN A BREAK, UH, FROM DAILY ROUTINES. SO BIRDS ALSO PLAY AN IMPORTANT ECOLOGICAL, UH, ROLES SUCH AS, UH, PEST CONTROL OR SUPPORTING THE ENTIRE ECOSYSTEMS. AND OF COURSE, BIRD WATCHER WATCHERS ALSO CONTRIBUTES TO LOCAL TOURISM AND THE ECONOMY. SORRY, EVERYBODY. UH, WAIT OF MOVING MORE. THERE YOU GO. PERFECT. WE WILL BE ON SLIDE THREE. PERFECT. YEAH. YEAH. PERFECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M SORRY FOR, UM, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. SO, LIKE I MENTIONED, BIRDS CAN PROVIDE THE BRAIN AND MENTAL HEALTH AND ALSO ECOLOGICAL FUNCTION, AND OF COURSE TOURISM AND ECONOMY AS WELL. SO IN TEXAS, BIRD WATCHING IS MORE THAN JUST A HOBBY. IT BRINGS PEOPLE TO OUR PARKS, NATURE PRESERVES, AND COMMUNITIES. SO THINK ABOUT THE PLACES LIKE RIO GRANDE VALLEY. SO WHICH ATTRACTS THE VISITORS INTEREST IN SEEING BIRDS THEY MAY NOT SEE AT HOME. AND THOSE VISITORS WILL STAY IN HOTELS AND EAT AT THE RESTAURANTS AND THE SHOP AT THE LOCAL BUSINESS AS WELL. SO WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PROTECTING BIRDS, WE ARE ALSO TALKING ABOUT PROTECTING OUR NATURAL RESOURCES, SUPPORTING OUR COMMUNITIES, AND MAINTAINING THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT MAKES DALLAS THE GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. SO I KNOW NOT EVERYONE IS A BIRD LOVER, AND THAT'S TOTALLY OKAY. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO LOVE THE SAME SPECIES TO RECOGNIZE THAT A HEALTHY ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT THAT BENEFITS EVERYONE. NEXT SLIDE. AT TCA, OUR MISSION IS TO PROTECT, UH, WILDLIFE AND THE ENVIRONMENT FOR OLD TEXANS FOR THE GENERATIONS TO COME. NEXT SLIDE. SO WE WORK WITH NATIONAL WILDLIFE FEDERATION ON ALL DIFFERENT ISSUES, AND OF COURSE, AS A LONG HISTORY WITH TCA, UH, WE FOCUSED A LOT ON ADVOCACY IN THE PAST. BUT NOT EVERYONE HAS THE CAPACITY OR INTEREST IN PARTICIPATING THOSE PUBLIC A HEARINGS OR ADVOCATE THE POLICY THAT CAN BENEFIT, UH, THEM. BUT EVERYBODY CAN DO, UH, TO PROVIDE, TO PLANT NATIVE PLANTS, NATIVE TREES, OR, UH, PICK UP THE TRASH IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD TO SUPPORT THE ENVIRONMENT. AND OF COURSE, LIGHTS OUT TEXAS, IT'S ONE OF THEM. SO YOU CAN SEE FROM THE MAP THAT TEXAS IS LOCATED IN THE CENTRAL FLYWAY, WHICH EVERY YEAR THERE ARE BILLIONS OF BIRDS PATH THROUGH TEXAS. OF COURSE, NOW IT'S A FULL MIGRATION AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT BIRDS MIGRATE AT NIGHT. SO, UH, NEXT SLIDE. YOU CAN SEE, UH, THIS IS THE, UH, SCREENSHOT FROM CORNELL BIRD CAST. AND, UH, ON THE TIME, THIS IS A SCREENSHOT ON SEPTEMBER 21ST AT EIGHT 50 CT, UH, CENTRAL TIME. SO THAT'S A TIME YOU CAN SEE THE BRIGHT YELLOW IN THERE THAT BRINGS A LOT OF BIRDS. THAT [01:05:01] ARE, MEANS A LOT OF BIRDS ARE TRAVELING AND THE ARROW SHOWS THE DIRECTION THEY'RE GOING. SO THE BIRDS ARE MOVING AT NIGHT, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW YET. AND THAT FROM OUR, UH, COMMUNITY OUTREACH EVENTS THAT 80% OF PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT BIRDS TRAVEL AT NIGHT. NEXT SLIDE. SO, UH, THIS IS ANOTHER TAKE A LOOK AT CLOSER AT DALLAS COUNTY THE SAME NIGHT. THEY ARE 1,000,360 BIRDS, 60,000 BIRDS WERE TRAVELING JUST AT THAT NIGHT. SO, UH, THE WEBSITE IS PRETTY CLEAR. YOU CAN KIND OF PREDICT, SEE HOW MANY BIRDS WERE TRAVELING DURING THAT TIME, WHAT TIME DO THEY WENT THROUGH, AND, UH, WHAT KIND OF SPECIES POTENTIALLY WE COULD SEE ON THE GROUND. AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE THREAT TO BIRDS, UNFORTUNATELY CATS IS NUMBER ONE. I DUNNO IF WE HAVE A CAT LOVERS HERE, BUT, UH, IF YOU DO, PLEASE KEEP YOUR CATS INDOORS BECAUSE THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE FACTOR THAT KILLS A LOT OF BIRDS. AND THE SECOND ONE IS THE WINDOWS. AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY. SO I KNOW WHEN YOU COME TO POLLUTIONS, UH, MOST PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH AIR POLLUTION, LAND OR WATER POLLUTIONS. HOWEVER, LIGHT CAN BE POLLUTION, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE, UH, HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT YET. SO ARTIFICIAL LIGHT AT NIGHT HAS BEEN A NEW TREND THAT REALLY AFFECT HUMAN LIFE IN GENERAL. SO, UH, BACK TO LIGHTS OUT PROGRAM, UH, IT STARTED IN CANADA ORGANIZATION CALLED FATAL LIGHT AWARENESS PROGRAM. SO THAT'S WHEN, UH, CANADIANS START SEEING A LOT OF DEBRIS NEXT TO THE WINDOWS. SO THEY STARTED KIND OF, UH, RECOGNIZE THE ISSUE ABOUT LIGHT BIRDS MIGRATE AT NIGHT AND, BUT GLASS KILLS A LOT OF THEM IN TEXAS HERE. UH, I DUNNO IF YOU REMEMBER THIS INCIDENT HAPPENED ON MAY 3RD, 2017 IN GALVESTON, THE NATIONAL BUILDING, UH, UNFORTUNATELY HAD 400 BIRDS CRUSHED INTO THE BUILDING, AND THAT'S HOW THE LIGHTS OUT TEXAS MOVEMENT STARTED. UM, THE MOVEMENT WENT ON FOR A LITTLE BIT, BUT IN THAT CONTINUE UNTIL AN ARTICLE CAME OUT IN 2019 THAT INDICATE DALLAS WAS THE THIRD, UH, WORST CITY OR DANGEROUS CITY FOR MIGRATORY BIRDS DUE TO LIGHT POLLUTION. SO THAT'S WHY, UH, TCA AND OTHER PARTNERS START LOOKING AT THIS ISSUES. SO, UH, CURRENTLY, UH, T TEXAS IS NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS LIGHTS OUT. UH, PROGRAMS WE DO SEE ACROSS THE NATION. THEY, THEY ARE, A LOT OF CITIES HAVE A SIMILAR PROGRAMS WORKING TOGETHER FOR THIS ISSUES. SO WE ARE NOT ALONE AND LIGHT OUT DFW BASICALLY IT'S A REGIONAL ISSUE, REGIONAL EFFORT TO BRING, UH, DALLAS FORT WORTH AND ALL THE SUBURBAN CITIES TOGETHER TO REALLY FOCUSING ON THE, UH, WINDOW COLLISION AND LIGHT POLLUTION ISSUES. SO, BACK TO DALLAS, UH, THE MOVEMENT STARTED IN FALL 2020. YOU PROBABLY HAVE SEEN THE PHOTOS, A GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS WHERE, UH, THE ORANGE OR YELLOW VEST WALKING AROUND DOWNTOWN DALLAS AND COLLECT DEAD BIRDS. OF COURSE, WE RESCUE ANY INJURED BIRDS WE FIND ALONG THE WAY. NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS KIND OF OVERVIEW OF ALL THE BIRDS THAT WE COLLECTED IN THE LAST SIX YEARS. UH, IN SUMMARY ABOUT 4,500 BIRDS IN THE LAST SIX YEARS. YOU MAY THINK THAT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT FROM, UH, WHAT WE HAVE WENT, UH, WENT THROUGH. SO WE ONLY SURVEY FROM 6:00 AM TO 8:00 AM DURING THE PEAK, DURING THE MIGRATION SEASON. AND, AND A LOT OF PLACES THAT WE ARE UNABLE TO SURVEY. SO THEY ARE EARNINGS. THERE ARE PRIVATE PROPERTIES THAT WE ARE UNABLE TO OBSERVE IF THEY ARE DEAD BIRTH OUT THERE, AND ALSO THE TIME LIMIT AS WELL. SO OVERALL, THIS NUMBER YOU SEE HERE IS REALLY A SMALL FRACTION OF THE COLLISIONS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, OBSERVE. SO, UH, FROM OTHER STUDIES KIND OF MENTIONED THE, UH, COLLISION MONITORING EFFORT, IT'S KIND OF ACCOUNT FOR 40% TO 50% OF BIRDS ACTUALLY DIED ON THE GROUND NEXT. SO THIS IMAGE YOU CAN PROBABLY SEE, I DUNNO IF WE ARE ABLE TO SEE THERE ARE THREE FEATHER PRINTS ON THE WINDOW. SO THIS IS A PRETTY COMMON BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE RECOGNIZE THE LIGHT DRAWS THE BIRDS INTO THE CITY, BUT GLASS KILLED THEM AND MOST COLLISIONS HAPPEN DURING THE DAY. SO THESE ARE THE BIRDS THAT OUR NUMBERS DO NOT SHOW BECAUSE WE ONLY PICK UP THE BIRDS TILL 8:00 AM AND THE REST OF THEM, UM, JUST DISAPPEAR, WENT TO THE TRASH CAN, UH, IN GENERAL. AND A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE WOULD THINK, OH, THE BIRDS HIT THE WINDOW, THEY LOOK OKAY. THAT'S TOTALLY FINE. UNFORTUNATELY, UH, 42, 50% OF THOSE BIRDS COLLIDE WITH WINDOWS DIE EVENTUALLY. IT'S JUST, THEY FLEW. THEY MAY HAVE FLEW AWAY TO THE PLACES THAT [01:10:01] WE DON'T, WE CANNOT SEE. SO THESE CAN BE SERIOUS OF THREATS TO BIRDS. SO WHEN IT COMES TO LIGHTS OUT TEXAS, WE TALK ABOUT TWO ISSUES, LIGHTS AND GLASS. SO WHY DO BIRDS HIT GLASS? SO THERE ARE THREE REASONS, REFLECTION, TRANSPARENCY, AND THE BUILDING DESIGN. SO THE FIRST ONE IS A REFLECTION. YOU PROBABLY, THIS IMAGE IS PROBABLY NOT NEW TO YOU. I THINK WE PROBABLY HAVE SEEN THAT IN THE CITY AND SOMETIMES EVEN YOUR HOME. SO THOSE HAZARDS IS NOT JUST AT HOME, UH, AT THE CITY AS WELL. SO THE REFLECTION OF THE SKY, UH, AND THE TREES CAN CAUSE A ISSUE FOR BIRDS. AND UH, THE NEXT IS ABOUT THE TRANSPARENCY OF THE BUILDING. SO YEAH, SO FROM THE ATRIUM, YOU CAN SEE AS A BIRD, WHEN HE SEES THE TREES PATH THROUGH, UH, IN THE INSIDE THE BUILDING, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR BIRDS TO, UH, RECOGNIZE THE GLASS EXISTS IN THERE. SO A LOT OF BIRDS WILL COLLIDE WITH THE TRANSPARENCY OF THE GLASS, UH, THE BUILDING, OF COURSE, IT'S NOT JUST THE BUILDING. WE HAVE BUS, BUS STOP, UH, RAILINGS AND THOSE TRANSPARENCY GLASS IS EVERYWHERE. NOT TO MENTION THE SKY BRIDGE, USUALLY THAT'S THE MOST WORST SCENARIO FOR A LOT OF BIRDS. SO FROM THIS IMAGE, YOU CAN SEE, EVEN THOUGH WE DO THE COLLISION SURVEYS IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS, BUT THE MAJORITY OF CLI COLLISIONS HAPPEN AT HOME OR RESIDENTIAL OR UH, LOW RISE BUILDINGS. SO 99% OF COLLISIONS HAPPEN AT THOSE PLACES. THAT'S WHY WE DO A LOT OF, UH, OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES AT HOME PEOPLE PUT THE FEEDERS, UH, AS WELL. SO THAT REALLY ATTRACT A LOT OF BIRDS. SO IT NEEDS EVERYBODY TO WORK ON THIS. SO AS YOU RECOGNIZE ALL THE FACTORS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE NEW ARTICLE CAME OUT, UM, THAT IN 2024 THAT, UH, THE EXPERTS ESTIMATE EVERY YEAR OVER A BILLION BIRDS DIED FROM AFTER STRIKING THE US BUILDINGS EVERY YEAR JUST IN US ALONE. SO POSSIBLY MAYBE MORE, AND NOT JUST THOSE NUMBERS OF THE BIRDS, THINK ABOUT ALL THE OFFSPRING THEY CAN PRODUCE THAT'S EVEN MORE BIRDS THAT CAN, UH, WON'T, KIND OF, WON'T DISAPPEAR. SO NEXT ONE I WANNA SWITCH TO BACK TO, UH, LIGHT POLLUTION. UM, IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE WHEN WE ARE SLEEPING, THEY, UH, THE OUTSIDE WORLD IS PRETTY ACTIVE. SO GLOBALLY THEY ARE ABOUT 63% OF ALL WILDLIFE IS NOCTURNAL. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? NOCTURNAL MEANS THESE WILDLIFE NEEDS DARK SKY TO BREED, TO MAID AND UH, TO FIND THE FOOD AND SHELTER. SO, AND THE REALITY IS THAT'S HOW THE, UH, IN DALLAS, OUR CITY LOOKS LIKE IT'S SO BRIGHT. A LOT OF TIMES WILDLIFE MAY NOT HAVE A PLACE TO HIDE AND NOT JUST IN THE CITY, AT HOME AS WELL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE WILL HAVE LIGHTS ON FOR VARIOUS REASONS, FOR SECURITY, FOR DECORATION, LIGHTS, ET CETERA. SO, UH, WE PUT LIGHTS ON AND OF COURSE, UH, THAT JUST ANOTHER WAY TO SEE LIGHTS CAN BE EVERYWHERE. THE NEXT ONE'S ABOUT LIGHT POLLUTION. SO WHEN IT COMES TO LIGHT POLLUTION, THESE ARE THE TERMS THAT WE USE TO DESCRIBE THE SITUATIONS. THE FIRST ONE'S SKY GLOW. SO EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE IN THE DARKER SPACE, BUT YOU CAN STILL SEE, UH, IF THE LIGHT POLLUTION IS BAD IN THE CITY, YOU CAN STILL SEE VERY BRIGHT SKY, UH, GLOWING FROM THE DISTANCE. AND THE SECOND PICTURE IS ABOUT, UH, GLARE. SO YOU PROBABLY HAVE OBSERVED GLARE WHEN YOU ARE DRIVING WITH A CAR COMING FROM OPPOSITE SIDE. AND IF THEY USE HIGH BEAM OR EVEN THE NEW CARS OR EVEN HAVE BRIGHTER LIGHTS THESE DAYS, IT'S REALLY HARD TO SEE AND BECOME UNSAFE. SO GLARES KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THAT ISSUE. THE THIRD IS ABOUT LIGHT TPAS. SO WHICH MEANS THE LIGHT GOES TO THE PLACES THEY DON'T BELONG TO. UM, SO IT CAN BE THE LIGHTS FROM THE STREET GO INTO, YOU GO INSIDE YOUR BEDROOM OR YOUR NEIGHBOR'S LIGHT GO INSIDE YOUR BEDROOM THAT YOU CANNOT SLEEP. SO THESE ARE POSSIBLE, UH, REASONS FOR LIGHT POLLUTION. NEXT ONE. UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL THINK, I WANT TO MAKE MY HOUSE SAFE. SO DOES THAT MEAN MORE LIGHTING? UH, MEANS IT'S SAFER? SO CHECK THE PICTURE. HERE YOU CAN SEE THE LIGHT. AND AT THE DOOR IS THE DOOR IS OPEN, BUT YOU CANNOT SEE THERE'S A PERSON STANDING RIGHT NEXT TO THE DOOR. SO, WHICH MEANS, UH, WHEN YOU HAVE A POOR DESIGNED LIGHTING, IT DOESN'T GUARANTEE IT'S ALWAYS SAFER. SOMETIMES IT JUST MAKE HARDER FOR YOU TO SEE. SO OVERALL, UH, I WANNA SEE, UH, BACK TO WHEN WE GO BACK HOME TONIGHT, LET'S THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH LIGHT AT NIGHT IS ENOUGH. I KNOW WE HAVE LIGHTS EVERYWHERE, INDOORS, OUTDOORS [01:15:01] AS WELL. BUT IN GENERAL, HOW MUCH LIGHT AT NIGHT IS ENOUGH? SO, UH, YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN THE NEWS IN 1994, THERE WAS A BLACKOUT IN LA THE RESIDENTS CALLED 9 1 1 BECAUSE THEY, THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME THEY SAW THE MILKY WAY. SO IF YOU HAVE TRAVELED TO LA YOU PROBABLY HAVEN'T SEEN THE ENTIRE CITIES PRETTY BRIGHT. AND EVEN SOME PEOPLE WHO WERE UNABLE TO TRAVEL OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, THEY HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED DARK SKY. SO THAT'S WHY IT HAPPENED. AND OF COURSE, OVER THE YEARS WE HAVE OBSERVED THE LIGHT POLLUTION HAVE BEEN GROWING AND IT'S GETTING WORSE AND WORSE. AND FROM THE P PREDICTION, YOU SAY IT'S PRETTY CLEAR AS WELL. WE ARE SEEING A LOT OF LIGHT POLLUTION IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW. AND 80% OF AMERICANS CANNOT SEE THE MILKY WAY ANYMORE. I THINK WE ARE PROUD OF THE 80% AS WELL AS WE ARE UNABLE TO SEE THE MILKY WAY IN THE CITY. SO WHO NEEDS THE DARK? I THINK BESIDES WHEN WE GO TO SLEEP, OF COURSE WE NEED THE DARKNESS, BUT WHO ELSE? SO, UH, THIS IS AN IMAGE FROM, UH, LIGHTS, OUR EXHIBIT AT SMITHSONIAN, UH, MUSEUM. THIS IS JUST KIND OF GLIMPSE OF THOSE ARE OUR ANIMALS THAT TAKE NIGHTTIME SHIFT. AND WE'LL JUST LOOK AT A FEW SPECIES TODAY. SO THE FIRST ONE, YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN THE PICTURES, UH, WE JUST, UH, UH, IT WAS LAST MONTH, NINE 11, THE TRIBU IN LIGHT. SO EVERY YEAR DURING THE TRIBU IN LIGHT, THERE'S A GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS AND, UH, SCIENTISTS WOULD STAY AT THE BASE OF THE TOWER TO OBSERVE THOSE LIGHT STREAK. SO FROM HERE, I DUNNO IF IT'S EASY TO SEE, YOU CAN SEE THOSE LIGHT STREAKS. THESE ARE BIRDS. SO THE SCIENTISTS AND VOLUNTEERS WILL COUNT, UH, WHEN THEY START COUNTING UNTIL THOUSAND BIRD, THEY WILL CONTACT THE TOWER TO SHUT DOWN THE LIGHTS, OTHERWISE THE BIRDS WILL CONTINUE CIRCULATING ON THE, UH, LIGHT BEAM UNTIL THEY GET EXHAUSTED. SO, UH, NEW YORK CITY BIRD ALLIANCE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH A TOWER EVERY YEAR TO KIND OF COUNT THE BIRDS SHUT DOWN THE LIGHTS AND TURN THE LIGHTS BACK ON. SO THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE THAT FOR HUMANS TO KEEP THE TRADITION AND ALSO KEEP WILDLIFE SAFE AS WELL. NEXT, SO THIS MIGHT NOT BE NEW TO YOU. UH, IF I HAVE BEEN TO THE BEACH, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THE SIGN THAT IN FLORIDA, SO WHEN SEA TURTLE HATCHED, THE NESTLING HATCHED, THEY ARE GO TOWARDS THE OCEAN, UH, BASED ON, UH, ACCORDING TO THE MOONLIGHT AND STARS. SO IF THE ACROSS THE STREET, STREET SOMEBODY HAVE THE PORCH LIGHTS ON THE SEA TURTLE CAN GO TO THE WRONG DIRECTION. THE, THEREFORE THERE ARE SOME REGULATIONS NEAR THE BEACH TO PROTECT THE SEA TURTLES. NEXT, THIS IS PROBABLY MORE CLOSER TO US TO THINK ABOUT THE MOTH AND THE PLANTS. UH, WE PROBABLY HAVE SEEN THAT, THAT IF YOU LEAVE YOUR PORCH LIGHTS ON, A LOT OF TIMES YOU WILL SEE A LOT OF INSECTS AND MOTHS ARE CIRCULATING THE LIGHTS. AND OF COURSE, 70% OF MOTHS ARE NOCTURNAL, WHICH MEANS THEY COME OUT AT NIGHT. SO WHEN THEY COME OUT, INSTEAD OF DOING THEIR JOB POLLINATING THE PLANTS OR VEGGIES, THEY ARE JUST CIRCLING AROUND THE LIGHTS NOT DOING ANYTHING. SO IT ALSO CREATED SOME REDUCTION OF THE PLANT POLLINATIONS AS WELL. SO WE CAN SEE SOME DYNAMIC IN THERE THAT ONE SPECIES EFFECT ON ANOTHER ECOSYSTEM. AND OF COURSE, UH, FIVE FLIES. I HOPE EVERYBODY GOT A CHANCE TO SEE SOME FIVE FLIES THIS SUMMER. FIVE FLIES USE THOSE LIGHTS TO COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER. SO USUALLY THE FIVE FLIES YOU SEE ARE MALES. THE FEMALES ARE USUALLY ON THE GROUND WAITING TO FIND THE RIGHT MALE TO MATE. SO WHEN YOU HAVE A LIGHT POLLUTION, THAT CAN AFFECT THEIR ABILITY TO FIND MATES. SO THAT'S KIND OF A REASON WHY WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO TURN OFF LIGHTS, ESPECIALLY AMBER LIGHTS. IT CAN BE CONFUSING FOR FIREFLIES. AND THOSE FIREFLIES ONLY HAVE LIFESPAN FROM TWO WEEKS TO FOUR WEEKS, WHICH MEANS IF THEY DON'T MEET, WE DON'T GET TO HAVE FIVE FLIES NEXT YEAR OR NEXT TWO YEARS BECAUSE THE LARVA STAYS FOR LIVE FOR ONE TO TWO YEARS, DEPENDS, BATS ARE NOCTURNAL. THIS, WHICH WERE PRETTY FAMILIAR. SO BATS DEPENDS ON THE SPECIES. THEY CAN BE IMPACTED BY LIGHT POLLUTION WITH DIFFERENT LEVELS. SO SOME SPECIES WOULD TRY TO AVOID LIGHTS AT ALL, AND SOME ARE OKAY, SOME OF THEM WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE LIGHT AS WELL. EVEN FISH CAN BE IMPACTED AS WELL. UH, WE HUMANS LIKE TO PUT LIGHTS EVERYWHERE, EVEN ON THE BRIDGE, UH, WHICH WE'LL SEE, UH, IN DALLAS AND OTHER CITIES AS WELL. SO SOME OF THE MIGRATING, UH, FISH CAN BE IMPACTED LIKE SALS OR YIELDS WHEN THEY, UH, SEE THE LIGHTS THAT CAN DELAY THEIR TRAVEL TO THE RIGHT PLACE TO MATE AND TO BREED AS WELL. OF COURSE, HUMANS, WE CAN BE, AND THERE ARE MORE AND [01:20:01] MORE RESEARCH STUDIES CAME OUT TO TALK ABOUT HOW ARTIFICIAL LIVES CAN IMPACT HUMAN HEALTH. BLUE LIGHTS IS PROBABLY NOT NEW, AND SO IT CAN INCREASE THE RISK OF THE SLEEP, DI DISTURBANCE, DIABETES, OBESITY, AND OTHER, UH, DISEASES AS WELL. SO THEY ARE MORE, SCIENTISTS ARE LOOKING AT THIS ISSUE FROM HUMAN HEALTH, UH, PERSPECTIVE. SO I THINK A LOT OF TIMES WE OFTEN VALUE, UM, AESTHETICS OVER ECOLOGICAL FUNCTION, BUT LIKE WHEN WE LEAVE OUR PORCH LIGHTS ON OR DECORATIVE LIGHTS ON OUTDOORS. BUT IS THERE A WAY WE CAN BALANCE BOTH? WE CAN STILL LEAVE THE LIGHTS ON, BUT TURN THEM OFF WHEN WE GO TO SLEEP. I THINK THOSE ARE DOABLE FOR A LOT OF US. SO HOW CAN PEOPLE HELP? UH, THESE ARE KIND OF DARK SKY STANDARDS AND YOU CAN SEE THE LEFT MOST LIGHTING IS STILL PRETTY COMMON IN THE STREET, ON THE STREET LIGHT, AND THAT'S THE WORST. BASICALLY, YOU CAN SEE THE LIGHT EMISSION TO EVERYWHERE, TO THE UNNECESSARY PLACES AS WELL. SO THERE ARE FOUR STEPS HERE. THE FIRST ONE IS ABOUT SHIELDING THE LIGHTS. AND UH, YOU CAN PUT A SHIELD ON THE LIGHT SO IT CAN, THE LIGHTS CAN BE CONCENTRATED AND BACK TO THE COLOR. SO USE THE WARMER COLOR, IT'S BETTER THAN THE BRIGHT, UM, COLD LIGHTING, ESPECIALLY FOR AT NIGHT. AND INTENSITY, HOW INTENSE, HOW BRIGHT DO YOU NEED LIGHT TO BE? SOMETIMES WE JUST NEED TO SEE AND THE TIMING, CAN WE USE MOTION SENSORS, ET CETERA NEXT. SO THERE ARE SO MANY WAYS THAT PEOPLE CAN DO AT HOME OR AT THE CITY LEVEL. SO AT HOME THERE ARE SO MANY EFFECTIVE AND LOW COST MODIFICATION THAT RESIDENTS CAN TAKE. SO LIKE JUST TO TURN OFF THE LIGHTS IF YOU DON'T REALLY NEED IT, LIKE WE LEARNED, IT'S NOT JUST BIRDS ARE GETTING IMPACTED. AND YOU CAN ALSO USE MOTION SENSOR OR VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD, CLOSE YOUR CURTAIN TO REDUCE LIGHT EMISSION TO OUTDOORS, WHICH A LOT OF DOWNTOWN BUILDINGS, I THINK WE CAN WORK ON THAT TO KIND OF KEEP OUR CITY DARKER. THE SECOND ABOUT THE CITIES, THE CITIES CAN ADOPT THE LIGHTS OUT POLICY, WHICH WE HAVE SEEN. A LOT OF CITIES ARE DOING PROCLAMATION. AND YOU CAN ALSO, UH, PURCHASE OR USE A SHIELD AND DIRECT FIXTURES. VISA HAS MORE DIRECT LIGHTING, UH, TO FIND, TO PROVIDE A SAFETY AT THE SAME TIME TO REDUCE A LIGHT EMISSION AND WARM COLOR LIKE WE MENTIONED BEFORE. SO, UH, NORTH IN TEXAS WE HAVE ABOUT 28 CITIES HAVE DARK SKY OUTDOOR LIGHTING CODES. AND IN NORTH TEXAS, THOSE STORES ARE THE ONE IN NORTH TEXAS. SO HOPEFULLY WE ARE GOING TO SEE MORE AND MORE CITIES ARE ADDING THE OUTDOOR LIGHTING CODES IN THE FUTURE. AND WHEN IT COMES TO FIX THE WINDOWS, THE GLASS ISSUES, UH, THIS IS A COMPANY CALLED FEATHER FRIENDLY. THEY PRODUCE FROM, UH, RESIDENTIAL TO, UH, COMMERCIAL TAPES TO FIX THE EXISTING BUILDINGS FROM COLLISIONS. SO, UH, THIS CAN BE USED EVERYWHERE AND IT HAS BEEN PROVEN, UH, 95% REDUCTION RATE IN THE PAST. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE REMEMBERED THAT IN 2023 THERE WAS A MASS COLLISION HAPPENED IN CHICAGO IN CONVENTION CENTER. SO THAT CASE REALLY RAISED AWARENESS ABOUT THE GLASS, UH, KILLS A LOT OF BIRDS. SO AFTER THAT, THE CONVENTION CENTER INSTALLED A BIRD FROM THE, UH, FILM. AND BECAUSE IT'S EXISTING BUILDING, THEY CANNOT USE, UH, THE PURE BIRD FROM THE GLASS. BUT AFTER THAT THEY CANNOT SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, THE TREATMENT OF THE WINDOWS. AND IN TEXAS HERE WE HAVE OUR NEIGHBORS. CITY HILL HAS THE VIRTUAL GLASS IN THE LIBRARY. SO YOU MIGHT RECALL, UH, THE PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR SEAN MENTIONED THE, THE LIBRARY WAS CONSTRUCTED DURING COVID. SO ALL THE COST WAS DOUBLED OR INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY. HOWEVER, LIKE, UH, I DUNNO, HOW SHOULD I SAY IT? LIKE, UH, THEY INSISTED TO USE BIRTH ANDAS FOR THE LIBRARY BECAUSE TWO OF THEIR, UH, UH, NO, THEIR COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHEN THEY WERE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT SITES IN CEDAR HILL, THEY HAPPENED TO SEE TWO COLLISIONS IN DIFFERENT BUILDINGS, WHICH REMINDS US COLLISION CAN HAPPEN EVERYWHERE, ANYTIME. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE CASE. THEY DECIDED THEY WANT TO FOCUS IN ON, UM, PERIPHERALLY GLASS. AND THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT PATTERNS AS WELL THAT PEOPLE CAN USE. ON THE RIGHT LEFT, RIGHT CORNER, YOU CAN SEE THERE, THAT'S IN A UNIVERSITY, THE STUDENTS KIND OF DECIDED THE ICONS FOR WILDLIFE THEY OBSERVED ON CAMPUS. SO IT CAN BE CUTE, IT CAN BE A DIFFERENT STYLES AS WELL. SO WHEN IT COMES TO BIRTH SAFE DESIGN, WE HAVE TO SEE IS THE CURRENT BUILDINGS OR NEW BUILDINGS LIKE A CONVENTION CENTER. SO, UH, FOR THE NEW CON CONSTRUCTIONS, IT'S BETTER TO USE [01:25:01] FRIENDLY GLASS AND FOR THE RE UH, BECAUSE IF YOU WANT TO RETROFIT THE CURRENT BUILDING, IT CAN COST WAY MUCH MORE BECAUSE YOU NEED TO HIRE SOMEBODY TO INSTALL AND USE SOME EQUIPMENT LIKE FOR THREE OR FOUR STORIES BUILDINGS. SO, UH, THIS IS A CONVENTION CENTER. SOME OF YOU WERE WITH US AT THE EVENT AND THANKS TO YOU THAT, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE THE NEEDLE. AND IT'S NOT JUST IN THE CITY BUILDINGS. WE HAVE SEEN BIRD FRIENDLY GLASS IN THE SCHOOL, LIKE A GREEN HILL SCHOOL. SO, UH, THIS IS JUST DIFFERENT PATTERNS THERE IN THEIR SCIENCE BUILDING. AND IF YOU ARE AGGIES, YOU SHOULD BE VERY PROUD BECAUSE, UH, THANKS TO SOME STUDENTS EFFORT IN AGGIES, THEY MADE ANNOUNCEMENT. THEY HAVE ADOPTED A BIRD COLLISION DETERRENT GUIDELINES REQUIRING BIRD FRIENDLY DESIGN IN ALL NEW, UH, CONSTRUCTIONS ON CAMPUS. SO THESE IS ONE OF THE EXAMPLES. AND CITY OF DALLAS IS THE, THE ONE OF THE FIRST, FIRST CITIES, UH, HERE. SO WE HAVE A GREAT FOUNDATIONS THAT WE ARE, WE ARE BUILDING ON, AND OF COURSE A LOT OF PARTNERS ARE DOING THEIR JOB AT THE SAME TIME. SO REUNION TOWER, YOU PROBABLY HAVE SEEN THE NEWS THAT THEY PARTICIPATE TURN OFF FLIGHTS DURING THE BIRTH SEASON, AND STUDENT STUDENTS MADE POSTERS AFTER THEY LEARNED ABOUT THE ISSUES. OF COURSE, YOU PROBABLY HAVE SEEN THE YARD SIGNS EVERYWHERE. AND OF COURSE, CITY OF DALLAS HAS STARTED INSTALLING THOSE FOCUS OF LIGHTING ON THAT FITS ON DARK SKY STANDARDS. SO, UH, WE'D LIKE TO INVITE EVERYBODY IF YOU ARE INTERESTED. WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BIRD COLLISION SURVEYS. IT'S PRETTY EARLY. WE MEET AT 6:00 AM AT PER ROAD. AND SO JUST BRING YOUR PETS OR YOUR KIDS, EVERYONE'S WELCOME. AND IF IT'S TOO EARLY THAT'S OKAY. UH, WE LIKE TO INVITE EVERYBODY TO JOIN US AT DIA DE LOS PATOS. SO THIS IS A TRADITION THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS. UH, WE WANT TO REMEMBER THOSE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN, UH, PRESERVING BIRDS, PROTECTING BIRDS, AND OF COURSE, REMEMBER ALL THE BIRDS THAT WE COLLECTED, UH, IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS. AND OF COURSE TO CELEBRATE VOLUNTEERS AS WELL. SO THESE ARE JUST, UH, ONE LAST SLIDE ABOUT WE ARE HAVING THE GATHERING IN, UH, CEDAR HILL NEXT YEAR, AND FEEL FREE TO JOIN US. I DO WANNA CLOSE WITH TWO ASKS FOR TONIGHT, UH, TO, FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER. UH, FIRST IS TO ADOPT A DARK SKY LIGHTING ORDINANCE, AND THE SECOND IS INCORPORATE BIRTH FRIENDLY GLASS INTO NEW CONSTRUCTIONS. CITY OF AUSTIN IS CONSIDERING THIS APPROACH AND AS A MAJOR CITY IN NORTH TEXAS, CAN DALLAS LEAD THE WAY. SO FORTUNATELY I DO WANT TO SHARE THAT THERE'S A, UH, COMPANY, UH, FOCUSING ON BIRTH FRIENDLY GLASS THAT IS GOING TO PUT IN PRODUCTION IN APRIL, 2027 IN HUNTSVILLE, WHICH MEANS IN TEXAS. SO IN THE PAST, UH, THE GLASS COMPANY HAVE TO SHIP THE THE GLASS TO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND TO DO THE ETCHING FOR THE AS TO AS A BIRTH FRIENDLY GLASS. NOW EVERYTHING CAN BE DONE IN ONE FACTORY, WHICH MEANS REDUCE THE LABOR, REDUCE THE TRANSPORTATION COST, SO HOPEFULLY TEXAS CAN TAKE THE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. SO, UM, I WOULD SAY, UH, WHY WE WAIT, UH, UNTIL A BUILDING BECOME A COLLISION HOTSPOT, WHEN WE CAN PROTECT THE BIRDS FROM THE START. WE DON'T HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN A GROWING CITY AND A HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT. WE CAN DESIGN A CITY THAT WORKS BETTER FOR PEOPLE AND WILDLIFE. AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR HAVING ME. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT PRESENTATION. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS FOR CHERYL. A QUESTION, UM, I HAD A QUESTION THAT OPPON HELPED ME WITH LAST MONTH AND IT WAS REGARDING, UH, I'M, I'M JUST LETTING ALL FELLOW COMMISSIONERS KNOW. UH, IT WAS REGARDING DARK SKY LIGHTING BECAUSE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IN MY DISTRICT TRYING TO PLAN SOMETHING WHERE WE COULD DO A DARK SKY LIGHTING PROJECT THAT WOULD HELP INFORM THE PUBLIC. AND I WAS PLEASED TO FIND OUT, UM, UH, FROM A STAFF MEMBER, UM, MISS OGLES FRANCIS, I THINK, UM, THAT WE DO HAVE SEVERAL PROJECTS IN THE CITY THAT THAT, UH, UTILIZE DARK SKY LIGHTING MM-HMM . AND, UM, I'LL, IT'S, I'LL READ A FEW SO YOU'LL KNOW IF THEY'RE IN YOUR DISTRICT. RIVERSON PARK, SOPAC TRAIL, SANTA FE TRAIL, CAMPBELL GREEN PICKLEBALL COURTS, SHERICK PARK, AND, UM, KID SPRINGS, JAPANESE GARDEN, IT JUST GOT REDONE. UM, SO, UM, TWO THINGS ENCOURAGED [01:30:01] THAT THEY'RE HAPPENING AND THAT, UM, THE CITY STAFF MEMBER IS VERY EAGER TO CONTINUE TO DO PROJECTS AND IN OUR DISTRICTS. UM, AND THAT, UM, AT THE SAME TIME, IT SEEMS LIKE AN ORDINANCE WOULD BE, UM, THE PROPER TIME TO DO. I AGREE. I THINK THIS COMMISSION HAS RECOMMENDED AN ORDINANCE, UH, IN THE PAST, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. SO IT'S, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT. MS, GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU FOR AN AMAZING PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. IT WAS THOROUGH AND INFORMATIVE AND, AND WELL VERY, VERY WELL DONE. UM, OKAY, SO I HAVE ONE QUESTION. YES. SO HAVE YOU EVER SEEN PROGRAMS MM-HMM . FOR, UM, JUST MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WHICH PROVIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR EXISTING HOMES MM-HMM . LIKE, YOU KNOW, HELPING THEM GET ACCESS TO LIKE INEXPENSIVE STICKERS, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT ORDINANCES TO REQUIRE BIRD SAFE GLASS, BUT YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE, THEIR HOUSES ARE THERE ALREADY, RIGHT? MM-HMM . SO HOW HAVE YOU SEEN, OR DO YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HOW TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY IN THE WAY TO MAKE THEIR EXISTING HOMES MORE, UH, MORE BIRD SAFE, UM, GIVING OUT STICKERS OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YEAH, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT TCA HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS YEAR AND FOCUSING ON SOLUTION. SO WE HAVE OBSERVED THERE'S A GAP BETWEEN KNOWING THAT I HAVE A BIRD COLLISION ISSUES AT HOME AND BETWEEN TAKE ACTION TO SAVE THE ISSUES. SO THERE'S A DEFINITELY A GAP. SO THIS YEAR WE START FOCUSING ON SOLUTIONS. SO THERE ARE A FEW DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS WE PROVIDE. SO THE FIRST ONE IS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO USE THE FEATHER FRIENDLY TAPE AND JUST PROVIDE DIFFERENT TYPES IN THERE. THE SECOND ONE, WE START DOING THE WORKSHOP. UH, ONE OF THE WORKSHOP WE WE HELD LAST MONTH IN SEPTEMBER AT WELL UNLIMITED IS TO MAKE A ZEN CURTAIN. I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE HAVE SEEN THAT. SO IT'S A VERY CHEAP MATERIALS AND YOU CAN BUY THEM FROM AMAZON AND HOME DEPOT. I WOULD SAY ABOUT SIX FIVE. UH, IT'S THE WINDOW, LIKE THAT SIZE, IT'S PROBABLY $17. YOU CAN FIX A WINDOW WITH THAT MATERIALS YOU PURCHASE FROM, UH, THE ONLINE STORE. AND WE START DOING THOSE WORKSHOPS, ENCOURAGE COMMUNITIES TO COME AND WE PROVIDE THE MATERIALS. SO HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE WE CAN DO SUCH MORE, UH, MORE WORKSHOPS LIKE THIS. IT'S JUST, WE ARE STILL HAVING ISSUES TO GET PEOPLE TO, UH, TO COME TO US FIRST. BUT THE WORKSHOP WE DID AT THE WELL, BIRDS UNLIMITED, WHAT'S VERY SUCCESSFUL, WE DO QUITE A LOT OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH, WHICH WE DO, UH, TABLING EVENTS. AND I DO QUITE A LOT OF, UH, EDUCATION PROGRAMS AS WELL. AND THAT'S ANOTHER WAY WE GET THOSE MESSAGES OUT TO THE COMMUNITY. AND I THINK AS WE RECOGNIZE, UH, 44% COALITIONS AT HOME HAPPEN AT HOME, THAT'S THE GREAT WAY TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT NEXT YEAR. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THIS EVENING? I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION. MM-HMM . THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE WONDERFUL PRESENTATION. AGAIN, I LEARNED A LOT OF THINGS THAT I WAS NOT AWARE OF. MY THOUGHTS AS YOU WERE GIVING THE PRESENTATION WAS I KEPT THINKING ABOUT ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND HOW THERE'S A LOT OF OVERLAP BETWEEN EVERYTHING YOU WERE SAYING AND JUST ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND WHAT WE TALK ABOUT IN POLICY. AND LIKE MANY OF THE BIRDS SAFE SLASH FRIENDLY GLASS ALSO REDUCES SOLAR HEAT AND TURNING OFF NON-ESSENTIAL LIGHT, OBVIOUSLY LIKE SAVES ELECTRICITY. UM, SO HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING WITH ANY GROUPS THAT ADVOCATE FOR ENERGY EFFICIENCY? ANY OF THE GROUPS THAT ARE ALREADY WORKING ON THESE ISSUES TO KIND OF LIKE PUT, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, PUTTING NEW THING AND LIKE WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION, UM, THERE, THERE'S ALREADY A LOT OF TALKS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION IS ENERGY EFFICIENT. SO KIND OF PUTTING THE TWO EFFORTS TOGETHER. UM, HAVE Y'ALL, WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT ON THAT? HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING WITH ANY GROUPS THAT HAVE, HAVE ALREADY BEEN, UM, ADVOCATING ON THIS ISSUE? YES. UH, WE DID SEE, START LOOKING AT THE WHAT'S, UH, BASICALLY FOR US, WHAT'S THE POSSIBILITY TO GET PEOPLE INVOLVED IN ANY WAY FROM ENERGY SAVING, UH, PERSPECTIVE AND TO SAVING THE BIRDS. SO THERE ARE SOME VERY FRIENDLY GLASS THAT HIGHLIGHT HAVE THE UV PROTECTION, BUT THE COST MAY BE HIGH. SO IT DEPENDS ON THERE, SO MANY DIFFERENT COMPANIES ARE DOING THAT, BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW EFFECTIVE FOR THE GLASS THE GLASS HAVE THE UV PATTERN WOULD BE, HOW, HOW EFFECTIVE THAT IS AND WHAT IT COMES TO LIGHTING. OF COURSE THESE DAYS WE ALL USE, UH, UM, WHAT'S THAT? THE NEW LIGHTING? UM, LED? YES, LED LIGHTS. AND IT DOESN'T REALLY COST MUCH IN GENERAL UNLESS YOU START LOOKING AT ENTIRE BUILDING [01:35:01] OR ENTIRE YEAR TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN SAVE. SO WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS TO SEE IF THERE ARE EXAMPLES FOR US TO USE TO TALK TO THE BUILDINGS. IF YOU TURN OFF THIS MUCH LIGHT, HOW MUCH YOU CAN SAVE IN GENERAL, THAT SAVES MONEY FOR EVERYBODY, OF COURSE, REDUCE THE LIGHT POLLUTION AS WELL. SO I THINK WE ARE STILL WORKING ON WHAT KIND OF CASE STUDIES AS A GROUP WE CAN HAVE TO SHARE WITH THE FOLKS. UM, I ALSO HAD SOMETHING KIND OF PIGGYBACKING OFF OF THE LA UH, DISTRICT FORCE COMMENTS. UM, JUST WHEN, NOT REALLY A QUESTION, MORE OF A COMMENT, UM, WHEN WE ARE ASKING TO, UH, TO HAVE ACTION, TO HAVE ORDINANCES, STUFF LIKE THAT, UM, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO DRIVE HOME THE FA THE, THE HUMAN ASPECT OF IT, LIKE ENERGY EFFICIENCY. UM, OBVIOUSLY WE GOTTA FOLLOW THE DOLLARS TO GET ANYBODY TO DO ANYTHING. UM, BUT ALSO JUST THE MENTAL HEALTH ASPECT AND THE BEGINNING OF YOUR PRESENTATION TOUCHED ON IT. BUT I REALLY THINK WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA BRING THAT BACK OUT WHEN WE ARE ASKING FOR AN ORDINANCE OR, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF ACTION. UM, AS FAR AS POLICY IS CONCERNED, LIKE IT, IT DOES, LIKE WE TOO NEED THE DARKNESS AND WE TOO NEED, UM, ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND WE BENEFIT FROM HAVING THE BIRDS AND JUST THE NATURE AND, YOU KNOW, CAN'T BE JUST BE THESE CITY DWELLERS THAT ARE IN LIGHT ALL THE TIME. UM, SO KIND OF BRINGING THAT HOME, UH, WHEN WE DO WRITE THIS POLICY AS LIKE A WHEREAS. THANK YOU. GREAT POINTS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE THEIR HAND UP? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING. WE, UM, LOOK FORWARD TO THIS PRESENTATION. I AM GONNA FOLLOW UP TO SEE, I, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT WE'VE MADE A RECOMMENDATION ON AN ORDINANCE OF CY ORDINANCE BEFORE, SO WE'LL FOLLOW UP TO SEE, UM, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND MIGHT REACH OUT TO YOU TO GET YOUR GUIDANCE ON, ON NEXT STEPS. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE IT FOR ALL THAT YOU DO. THANK YOU. REALLY APPRECIATE IT. ALRIGHT, JUDY, IF YOU'LL JUST MAKE A NOTE THAT COMMISSIONER SIEGEL AND COMMISSIONER DAY ARRIVED, I THINK BEFORE THE VOTING ITEM. SO IT WAS EARLIER, EARLIER IN THE MEETING, SO THEY'RE DEFINITELY HERE IN THE DR A LOBBY IS HERE AS WELL. UM, SO WE'LL JUST NOTE THAT. OKAY. [VII.a. Monthly District Updates from Commissioners] LET'S GO ON TO OUR MONTHLY DISTRICT UPDATES FROM COMMISSIONERS. WE'RE GONNA START OVER IN DISTRICT ONE. GO AHEAD. NOTHING TO REPORT THIS MONTH. DISTRICT FOUR, NOTHING FROM ME, DISTRICT FIVE. UM, SO I HAVE A, WITH THE DISTRICT FIVE PARKS COMMISSIONER, UH, MEETING ON FRIDAY, UH, WITH OUR LA OUR PRESENTER FROM LAST MONTH, UM, UH, REGARDING TIRE DUMPING. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING ABLE TO REPORT MAYBE SOME CREATIVE SOLUTION THERE. ALSO, UM, JUST IN GENERAL, IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED, UM, RENOWNED ENVIRONMENTALIST AND AUTHOR, BILL MCKIBBON IS COMING TO TOWN. HE'LL BE SPEAKING NEXT WEDNESDAY NIGHT, OCTOBER 21ST AT THE FIRST UNITARIAN CHURCH. SEVERAL, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS AND OTHER SPONSORS GOT TOGETHER TO BRING HIM HERE. UM, IT'S BEGINS AT SIX 30. UM, STUDENTS ARE FREE AND, UM, OTHER TICKETS ARE 15 AND I CAN SHARE THE, UM, THE LINK WITH, UH, SHANTA OR JUDY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT. DISTRICT SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT ARE VACANT, UH, ON DISTRICT NINE. UH, JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE. I WENT OUT TO THE BERG RILEY NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY GAVE ME A FANTASTIC ENVIRONMENTAL TOUR. WE WENT THROUGH A NUMBER OF ISSUES, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, REALLY NEED THE COLLABORATION OF BOCA CITY AND THE COUNTY CODE ENFORCEMENT, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, SEVERAL OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS THAT NEED TO GET OUT THERE, UM, AND ENSURE THAT THOSE NEIGHBORS HAVE WHAT THEY NEED. THE NIGHT AFTER MY ENVIRONMENTAL TOUR, ONE OF, UH, PROBABLY THE BIGGEST NUISANCE FACILITIES THAT THEY, THEY TOOK ME ON, UH, CAUGHT FIRE. SO, UM, NOT A GREAT SITUATION, UH, OUT THERE. THOSE NEIGHBORS ARE INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATED. UM, AND HOPEFULLY WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT, SOME OF THOSE ONGOING ISSUES AND, UM, GET THEM ADDRESSED. I THINK ONE OF THE MOST EGREGIOUS CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY ALLEGED THAT THERE IS A NEIGHBOR THAT IS DUMPING THE CARCASSES OF DEAD LIVESTOCK INTO [01:40:01] THE CREEK THAT RUNS BEHIND ALL OF ALL OF THEIR HOMES. UM, A NEIGHBOR HAS OPENED A PIT ON THEIR PROPERTY AND IS ESSENTIALLY DUMPING STUFF IN THERE. UM, THERE'S A JUNKYARD, UH, THAT EXTENDS ALL THE WAY BACK INTO THE CREEK. UM, JUST A LOT OF, OF, UH, WATER QUALITY AND WATER QUANTITY CONCERNS, BUT ALSO SOME PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS. UM, HAD A CONVERSATION WITH A COUPLE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. UH, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THAT THERE IS A FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO NOW, NOW DRAFTED AND SUBMITTED, UH, TO, UH, INTRODUCE A DATA CENTER MORATORIUM IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. UM, THERE'S A DATA CENTER THAT POPPED UP IN JBI RECENTLY, UM, THAT, UH, BECAUSE THERE IS NO ZONING FOR THOSE, UH, FACILITIES OR REGULATIONS FOR THOSE FACILITIES, THEY CAN DO THAT. UM, AND SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE MORE. WE'RE TRACKING, UH, A COUPLE OF OTHER OF THE LARGER, NEW NEWER IN DEVELOPMENT DATA CENTERS RIGHT NOW. ONE OF THEM VERY RECENTLY APPLIED FOR THEIR TCQ AUTHORIZATIONS, SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION, UM, TO SHARE ABOUT THAT. BUT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT HOW TO ONE, PROTECT THE PUBLIC, HAVE MEANINGFUL PUBLIC PARTICIPATION OPPORTUNITIES, UM, AND CREATE SAFE BUFFERS AND DISTANCES FROM THESE FACILITIES, FROM RESIDENTIAL USES AND OTHER SENSITIVE LAND USES. UM, SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO, TO TALK ABOUT THAT, UM, IN THE NEXT MEETING. SO, UH, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SHARE. OH, I DID JUST WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE REALLY BRIEFLY, UM, THAT YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THAT WE HAVE NEW BOARD COORDINATORS. WE HAVE JUDY SCHMIDT, UM, WHO'S BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR A VERY LONG TIME. UM, AND WE HAVE SHANTE AND BOTH ARE FANTASTIC. PLEASE BE PATIENT WITH THEM. THEY'RE TAKING THIS ROLE ON, IN ADDITION TO THEIR EXISTING ROLES WITH THE CITY. UM, AND SO THEY'RE JUGGLING A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. SO IF YOU NEED THEM, PLEASE REACH OUT TO THEM. THEY'RE INCREDIBLY, UH, KNOWLEDGEABLE, RESPONSIVE, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. BUT PLEASE JUST BE PATIENT WITH THEM AS YOU, AS YOU SAW. WE'RE ALL FIGURING IT ALL OUT TOGETHER AND THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE. WE'RE GONNA DO THAT. UM, SO JUST REACH OUT TO THEM, UH, IF YOU NEED. UM, YEAH, THAT'S ALL I NEED TO SAY ABOUT THAT. LET'S GO TO DISTRICT 10. COMMISSIONER SIEGEL, ARE YOU STILL ON THERE? DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE? COMMISSIONER SIEGEL THIS MONTH? OH, WE CANNOT HEAR YOU AGAIN. YES. AN UPDATE OR NO, NO UPDATE. NO UPDATE. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. DISTRICT 11, NO UPDATE FOR ME. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. DISTRICT 12. YES, I, THE AS USUAL NUMBER OF THINGS TO REPORT. UH, I WANNA FACT, UM, UH, ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR MILES FOR, UH, TAKING THE TIME TO MEET WITH ME AND DISCUSS MY DISCUSSION OF MY CONCERNS WITH, UM, UH, UH, CODE COMPLIANCE AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN, UH, THE HOUSING SAFETY AND APARTMENTS WHERE, UM, NEARING THE 10TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE CHANGES IN THE HOUSING CODE THAT WERE INITIATED BY DALLAS AREA, INTERFAITH. AND, UH, I THINK A NUMBER OF US DON'T THINK VERY MUCH HAS ACTUALLY HAVE, UNFORTUNATELY. AND SO, UM, LOOKING AT THAT IS GOING TO BE, UH, WAS AN ISSUE I BROUGHT UP. AND, UH, THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT I KNOW THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS IS ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT. SO, UH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO GENERATE SOME ACTION. MY OWN ASSESSMENT IS THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT IS DOING THE BEST JOB THAT THEY CAN, BUT THAT THE, UH, THE CODE HAD CERTAIN CHANGES, HAD SOME DEFICIENCIES IN IT. AND THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE HAVE IS OUTSIDE SLUM BOARDS BUYING UP PROPERTIES AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE CITY AND ITS CLIENTS. UH, AND THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. UM, AND, UM, UH, ON, UH, THE QUESTION, UH, THAT WAS RAISED EARLIER, UH, WITH WEST NILE VIRUS AND WHAT'S HAPPENING, UH, AFTER DISCUSSION WITH, UM, UH, UH, UH, WITH OUR, UH, CHAIRMAN GUA, UH, GRANA, UM, WE, UM, UH, WILL BE SUBMITTING A RESOLUTION. UH, WE'LL BE DISCUSSING AND POSSIBLY SUBMITTING A RESOLUTION FROM THE HEALTH COMMITTEE TO ASK, UM, THE COMMISSION AND THE CITY TO TAKE ACTION ON UPDATING THE POLICY AND IN ASSURING THAT THE BENEFITS OUTWEIGH THE RISKS AND, UH, UH, THAT, THAT RESOLUTION HOPEFULLY WILL INCLUDE A DRAFT PLAN FOR, [01:45:01] UH, THE COMMISSION AND THE CITY TO CONSIDER. THAT'S, UH, THAT'S, UH, PERMIT PERMIT. I DON'T REMEMBER WHETHER I REPORTED LAST TIME. UH, I THINK I, I DON'T THINK I DID. UM, UH, I ATTENDED THE TEXAS PEDIATRIC SOCIETY ANNUAL MEETING, UH, IN, UH, AUSTIN, UH, HAD THE WONDERFUL TREAT OF IT HAPPENING, HAPPENING AT THE, UH, UH, THE, THE KALAHARI WATER PARK AND HAD MY GRANDCHILDREN JOIN ME FOR TWO DAYS AT THE WATER PARK IN ADDITION TO THE PEDIATRICS MEETINGS. BUT THERE I CHAIRED THE, UM, MEETING OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMITTEE OF THE TEXAS PEDIATRIC SOCIETY. UH, A NUMBER OF ISSUES WERE DISCUSSED, WHICH I KNOW ARE ISSUES WHICH THIS COMMITTEE, WHICH THIS COMMISSION HAS BEEN CONCERNED WITH, INCLUDING DATA CENTERS BEING A MAJOR FOCUS AND, UH, ALSO, UH, AIR QUALITY. AND, UM, A PLAN WILL BE FORTHCOMING FROM THAT COMMITTEE TO DEVELOP THAT PART OF THE PEDIATRIC SOCIETY, INCLUDING WEBSITES WITH MATERIALS, INCLUDING A PLAN FOR PROVIDER AND CONSUMER EDUCATION. UH, THIS ALL TO COME FROM THE COMMITTEE ON THE ENVIRONMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, DR. . UM, ALRIGHT. DISTRICT 14. NOPE, THAT WAS 12, SORRY. 13. UH, NOTHING TO REPORT. ALL RIGHT. DISTRICT 14. THERE YOU ARE. YEP. NO, NO REPORT TONIGHT, RIGHT? DISTRICT 15. I HAVE A COUPLE UPDATES AND I'M SORRY TEAM 'CAUSE IT'S LATE AND I KNOW YOU ALL WANNA GO HOME, BUT, UM, SEPTEMBER WAS BUSY. UM, NEW YORK CITY CLIMATE WEEK, UH, IS A BIG EVENT THAT IS HOSTED, UH, CONCURRENT FOR THE UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY. THERE WAS A LOT GOING ON IN NEW YORK CITY. I INVENTED, I INTENDED AN EVENT AT THE UN DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM OFFICE ON CRISIS RESPONSE AND BRAIN CAPITAL UNDER PRESSURE, AND HOW RESPONDING TO NATURAL DISASTERS REQUIRES A NECESSARY INVESTMENT IN COGNITIVE INFRASTRUCTURE. I ATTENDED A DINNER WITH THE NEURO CLIMATE WORKING GROUP AND MET NEUROSCIENTISTS AND CLIMATE ADVOCATES FROM ALL ACROSS THE WORLD, WORKING TOGETHER TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF THE CHANGING ENVIRONMENT ON OUR BRAINS AND VICE VERSA. UH, AND ALSO ATTENDED, UH, THE GLOBAL BRAIN ECONOMY SUMMIT AND HOSTED AN EVENT ON REGENERATIVE DESIGN, INCLUDING A PANEL DISCUSSION ON BRAINS, BODIES, OUR BODIES, AND THE BIOSPHERE AND THE INTERRELATIONSHIP BETWEEN ALL OF THOSE. UM, ALSO IN NEW YORK CITY CLIMATE WEEK, UH, PEOPLE POSITIVE, UM, BUILDING THE HUMAN DIMENSION OF SUSTAINABILITY WAS A NEW BOOK LAUNCHED BY, UM, GAYAR UNI KRISHNAN. AND I THINK THIS IS INCREDIBLY RELEVANT TO THE WORK THAT WE DO HERE IN DALLAS WITH CAP. I WANNA READ JUST TWO ENDORSEMENTS VERY QUICKLY. THE GLOBAL BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY IS ONE OF THE LARGEST AND MOST FOUNDATIONAL PIECES OF OUR ECONOMY, AND YET SOMEHOW IT IS WOEFULLY DETACHED FROM ITS CORE PURPOSE TO SHELTER HUMAN BEINGS. PEOPLE POSITIVE BRINGS US BACK TO THAT CORE PURPOSE IN A HIGHLY DIGESTIBLE FORMAT THAT WILL PROVE TO BE A MUST READ FOR ANY DESIGNER BUILDER WHO TRULY CARES TO IMPROVE LIVES WITH THEIR WORK. AND I WOULD ALSO SAY MUNICIPALITIES, OWNERS AND OPERATORS AND INSURERS AS WELL, AND INVESTORS, PEOPLE POSITIVE, IDENTIFIES THE NEED FOR A LENS THAT BRIDGES ACROSS SYSTEMS FOR INTEGRATED AND INFORMED DECISION MAKING, AN APPROACH THAT WORKS ACROSS DEPARTMENTAL AND BUDGETARY SILOS AS WELL AS TIME TO ENSURE OUR CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS ARE WELL POSITIONED TO SERVE OUR SHARED HUMANITY. UH, IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN THIS BOOK, LET ME KNOW AND I CAN HELP CONNECT YOU WITH THE AUTHOR. UM, FROM NEW YORK CITY, I WENT TO MONTANA, I DID THE CLOSING KEYNOTE AT AI MONTANA, UH, ON A TALK CALLED WE ARE NATURE, WHERE I PTED THAT BECAUSE WE ARE NATURAL, EVERYTHING THAT WE CREATE AND MAKE IS ALSO NATURAL, YET WE ARE DIVERGING FROM NATURE. SO HOW CAN WE DO BETTER? UM, I TALKED, UH, A LOT ABOUT THE WORK WE'RE DOING HERE AROUND THE DALLAS CCAP AND ALSO THE 2024 BOND PROGRAM. UH, AND THEN THE NEXT WEEK, THE AMERICAN UNIVERSITY RESEARCH PARK ASSOCIATION HOSTED THEIR INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE HERE IN DALLAS. UH, AND WE DID A PANEL DISCUSSION ON, UM, FROM THE KNOWLEDGE ECONOMY TO THE BRAIN ECONOMY AND NEW BLUEPRINT FOR RESEARCH PARK SUCCESS. SO, UM, THINKING ABOUT HOW LIFE SCIENCES AND INCUBATING CAN INNOVATION DISTRICTS AND INCUBATORS ARE REALLY THE KEY TO NOT ONLY SUSTAINING THE ECONOMY AND CREATING MORE JOBS AND OPPORTUNITIES, BUT DOING THAT IN A WAY THAT'S BENEFICIAL TO THE ECOSYSTEMS AND OUR PLANET. UH, AND FINALLY, UH, LAST WEEK OUR LOVELY ONG PRESENTED, UH, THE CCAP AND OUR FIPA LEADERSHIP TO THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS DALLAS COMMITTEE ON THE ENVIRONMENT, UM, MONTHLY MEETING. HE DID A GREAT JOB. UH, AND THERE WERE [01:50:01] LOTS OF QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSIONS FROM THAT GROUP. AND, UH, I TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO MENTION THAT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AS THE A I A ENDORSES CITIZEN ARCHITECTS THAT WE SHOW UP AT PUBLIC MEETINGS, THAT WE ADVOCATE FOR THE BUDGET LINE ITEMS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO US, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, THE SMALL BUT MIGHTY OEQS TEAM, UH, AND THAT WE GO VOTE. SO PLEASE DO THAT EVERYONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL THOSE UPDATES AND ALL THAT WORK. TECHNICAL ADVISOR YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANNA SHARE? MS. MR. MARKLE, YOU HAVE SOMETHING? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THREE THINGS. NUMBER ONE, REGARDING CLEVELAND RILEY, UH, MADE A PHONE CALL ROOM FROM CITY ATTORNEY HAS INDEED DONE AN INJUNCTION AGAINST THOSE OFFENDERS AND , THE COURTS HAVE TO ENFORCE THE INJUNCTION AND JUST DONE THE STEPS TO BE TAKEN TO MAKE SURE THE COURTS ACTUALLY ENFORCE INJUNCTION CITY ATTORNEY NOT AGAINST THOSE AGAINST. SO THERE IS SOME PROGRESS THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COURTS DO THAT ENFORCE. AND ALSO THE COUNTY TAKING A GOOD DEAL OF ACTION, CCQ NEXT TO BE BOARD AND OTHERS, AND, UM, , A COUPLE STATE REPRESENTATIVES TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT. SO THERE IS, UM, SOME PROGRESS THERE, NOT ENOUGH, BUT THAT ONE. NUMBER TWO, UH, WE ARE MAKING SOME PROGRESS ON VACANCIES. WE HAVE FEW VACANCIES LEFT ON THIS COMMISSION, WORKED WITH PARTICULAR COUNCIL MEMBERS, PROVIDING MEMBER LIST OF CANDIDATES THEY CAN CHOOSE FROM AND OPEN THAT PROCESS. SO I THINK WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SHOW ALL THE SITES SEATS ON THE COMMISSION, UH, AFTER A, A LOT OF WORK , BUT WE'RE, UH, WE'RE FINDING GOOD CANDIDATES FOR THEM AND EACH OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAS SAID THEY WANT TO MAKE THEIR APPOINTMENT. SO THAT'S PROGRESS NUMBER THREE. NOVEMBER 17TH OF TUESDAY NIGHT, HELPING PARKER. 7:00 PM WILL BE THE EVENT THAT ONCE IS THE THIRD PIECE OF MY TRILOGY. AND I'M NOT JUST GONNA DO A BOOK SIGNING EVENT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A WORKSHOP AND THAT WORKSHOP HAS A THEME AND THAT THEME IS HOW MUCH GOOD CAN ONE BOOK DO? 'CAUSE THROUGHOUT MY LIFE I'VE USED ACTIVISM ART TOGETHER LIKE WELL, TO BE THERE AS WE DISCUSS HOW CAN WE, THE BOOK AND ART AS A WAY TO HAVE A POSITIVE EFFECT ON THE ENVIRONMENT. YOU, I'M SITTING AND OUTSIDE OF CITY AS WELL, FROM NOVEMBER 17TH, 7:00 PM PARK, ALL OF YOU BE INVITED. HOW MUCH GOOD CAN ONE BOOK DO THEY'LL HAVE AND COME IN TOWN NEXT WEEK? SO, UM, WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT GOOD WORK AND ALL Y'ALL WOULD BE ABLE TO HELP STIMULATE THE THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW TO BEST USE ART AS A WAY TO PROMOTE THE ENVIRONMENT AND ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE. OKAY, THANK YOU MR. MARQUIS. OKAY, MS. TIMNEY. SO I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO JUDY, UM, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF HER INCREDIBLE COMMUNICATION WITH ME. SO, UM, ZERO WASTE WAS ABLE TO DO, UH, WE HAD 16 ENGAGEMENTS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO FULFILL AND 680 NEW ZERO WASTE WARRIORS WE'RE CALLING THEM CHAMPIONS THAT WE BROUGHT ON BOARD. WE WERE, WE SPOKE TO 13 DIFFERENT, UH, ORGANIZATIONS, CORPORATIONS ABOUT THE DALLAS BUSINESS GREEN CERTIFICATION. AND, UM, YEAH. AND AGAIN, JUDY, THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE DID THE DALLAS, UH, ZOO AND THAT WAS JUST A LOT OF FUN, SO, FANTASTIC. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? ANY UPDATES? MS. BEVIN? GO AHEAD. WELL, I JUST WANNA MENTION TO EVERYONE THAT THE EPA ROLLBACK ON GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSION STANDARDS FOR POWER PLANTS HAS AN UPCOMING DEADLINE. IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN COMMENTING, UH, GO AHEAD AND EMAIL ME AND I CAN GET YOU SAMPLE COMMENTS. UM, TWO, UM, I, I'VE BEEN TALKING TO VARIOUS, UH, ENTITIES AROUND TOWN ABOUT DATA CENTERS, AND HAPPY TO REPORT THAT ONE DEVELOPER'S SET OF THREE DATA CENTERS THAT WERE RIGHT ON TOP OF DINOSAUR VALLEY STATE PARK WERE DENIED YESTERDAY IN COMMISSIONER'S COURT IN HOOD COUNTY. AND LASTLY, I JUST WANT TO REEMPHASIZE WHAT TRACY SAID A MINUTE AGO. UM, IN MY 30 PLUS YEARS OF DOING ENVIRONMENTAL WORK, BILL MCKIBBON, WHO'S A NATURALLY ACCLAIMED CLIMATE ADVOCATE AND FOUNDER OF THREE FIFTY.ORG, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, HAS NEVER HAD A PRESENTATION HERE IN DALLAS. THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO GO AND JUST PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU RSVP IF YOU WANNA GO AND [01:55:01] YOU COULD PROBABLY EMAIL ME OR EMAIL TRACY IF YOU WANT DETAILS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? UH, JUST A HOUSEKEEPING ITEM THAT I'LL MENTION, UH, FOR BOTH OF US THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION FOR JUST A FEW YEARS, MIGHT HAVE COME TO CITY HALL THIS EVENING AND REALIZED THAT OUR BADGES DON'T WORK . UH, SO, UH, WE'LL REACH OUT TO IT, UH, TO SEE IF THEY CAN RENEW THOSE AUTHORIZATIONS THAT WE CAN ENTER THE BUILDING. DID ANYBODY ELSE HAVE TROUBLE WITH THEIR BADGES THIS EVENING? OKAY. UH, DID SHE THIS EVENING? REBECCA? REBECCA, DID YOU? YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. SO, UM, I'LL COPY ALL IN AN EMAIL TO CITY STAFF AND WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT RENEWED WITHOUT HAVING TO MAKE A TRIP DOWN TO THE SECURITY OFFICE, SO, RIGHT. OKAY. UH, HAVING CONSIDERED, UH, ALL BUSINESS BEFORE, SO [VII.b. Upcoming Meetings] WAIT, OUR NEXT MEETING JUST TO MAKE A NOTE, IS ON THE 18TH OF THIS MONTH, UM, AT FIVE 30 PTE COMMITTEE WILL BE ON MONDAY, NOVEMBER THE SECOND. AND NOW WE'VE CONSIDERED ALL BUSINESS BEFORE US, AND I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND, MOVED AND SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. HAVE A GREAT NIGHT. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.