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YOU'RE WATCHING THE MEETING OF THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL WITH MAYOR ERIC L JOHNSON, MAYOR PRO TEM JAIME RESENDEZ, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MAXEY JOHNSON. THE COUNCIL MEMBERS CHAD WEST, JESSE MORENO ZARIN D GRACEY.
LAURA CADENA, ADAM BAZALDUA, LORI. BLAIR, PAULA.
BLACKMON, CATHY STEWART, WILLIAM ROTH, CARA MENDELSOHN GAY DONNELL WILLIS.
ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A QUORUM. GOOD MORNING. TODAY'S OCTOBER 21ST, 2026 TIMES 9:29 A.M..
[Invocation and Pledge of Allegiance Special Presentations Open Microphone Speakers]
AND I NOW CALL THIS MEETING THE CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER.WE HAVE THIS MORNING FOR OUR INVOCATION, SPEAKER, OUR POLICE CHAPLAIN AND RABBI ANDREW M PALEY, WHO'S GOING TO GIVE US OUR INVOCATION, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE OUR PLEDGES. GOOD MORNING, RABBI PALEY. GOOD MORNING, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU SO MUCH. COUNCIL MEMBERS, DEAR FRIENDS, GOD OF WISDOM AND COMPASSION, WE GATHER THIS MORNING, MINDFUL OF THE SEASON IN WHICH WE STAND, A TIME WHEN MANY IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE PAUSING AND REFLECTING AND ASKING DEEPER QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO WE ARE AND WHO WE MIGHT BE CALLED TO BECOME.
IN THESE WEEKS, SACRED TRADITIONS INVITE US TO SLOW DOWN, TO TAKE STOCK OF OUR CHOICES, TO CONFRONT WHAT HAS BEEN BROKEN, AND TO RENEW OUR COMMITMENT TO WHAT IS RIGHT.
FOR SOME, THIS IS A SEASON OF TURNING INWARD, OF HUMILITY AND SELF-EXAMINATION.
AND FOR OTHERS, IT IS A SEASON THAT RECALLS THE ENDURING HUMAN LONGING FOR FREEDOM.
THE JOURNEY FROM NARROW PLACES TOWARD POSSIBILITY, DIGNITY AND HOPE.
AND FOR ALL OF US, REGARDLESS OF TRADITION, IS IT? IT IS A REMINDER THAT RENEWAL IS NOT AUTOMATIC.
IT ASKS SOMETHING OF US. SO IS THIS. COUNCIL BEGINS ITS WORK TODAY.
WE PRAY, O GOD, THAT YOU WILL GRANT THESE LEADERS THE COURAGE TO REFLECT HONESTLY, THE WISDOM TO CHOOSE THOUGHTFULLY, AND THE STRENGTH TO ACT NOT ONLY FOR WHAT IS EXPEDIENT, BUT FOR WHAT IS JUST.
HELP US REMEMBER THAT THE WORK OF A CITY IS NOT ONLY MEASURED IN ROADS AND BUDGETS, BUT IN THE LIVES WE UPLIFT, THE DIGNITY WE PROTECT, AND THE FUTURE WE SHAPE TOGETHER.
AND WE ASK YOUR BLESSING UPON ALL THOSE WHO SERVE AND PROTECT OUR CITY, OUR POLICE OFFICERS, FIREFIGHTERS, FIRST RESPONDERS, AND ALL WHO STAND IN THE BREACH WHEN OTHERS ARE IN NEED.
RENEW THEIR SPIRITS FOR THE WORK THEY ARE CALLED TO DO.
MAY THE WORK OF THIS DAY MOVE US CLOSER TO A DALLAS THAT REFLECTS OUR HIGHEST VALUES A CITY OF COMPASSION, RESPONSIBILITY, AND OF HOPE. AMEN. IF EVERYONE WOULD PLEASE RISE FOR OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE.
TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MAY BE SEATED. ALRIGHT, LET'S SEE IF WE HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS THIS MORNING.
I THINK WE DO. I'M GOING TO START WITH OUR CITY MANAGER'S ANNOUNCEMENTS FIRST.
SO GO AHEAD, MADAM CITY MANAGER. GOOD MORNING TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. TODAY, I'M PROUD TO RECOGNIZE OUR CODE COMPLIANCE SERVICES DEPARTMENT, CONSUMER HEALTH DIVISION FOR EARNING THREE PRESTIGIOUS STATEWIDE AWARDS FROM THE TEXAS ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH ASSOCIATION.
CAN WE PLEASE HAVE THOSE EMPLOYEES COME FORWARD? THESE HONORS RECOGNIZE THE EXCEPTIONAL WORK OUR EMPLOYEES PERFORM EVERY DAY TO PROTECT PUBLIC HEALTH AND ENSURE THE SAFETY OF DALLAS RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES AND VISITORS. FIRST, OUR CONSUMER HEALTH DIVISION RECEIVED THE RUTH HENDY AWARD OF EXCELLENCE, WHICH RECOGNIZES DALLAS AS HAVING THE BEST FOOD SAFETY PROGRAM IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
WE'RE ALSO CELEBRATING TWO EXCEPTIONAL EMPLOYEES.
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THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH PROFESSION. WE ALSO ARE RECOGNIZING VERONICA WASHINGTON, RECIPIENT OF THE YOUNG PROFESSIONAL OF THE YEAR AWARD, RECOGNIZING HER ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND CONTRIBUTIONS DURING THE FIRST FIVE YEARS OF HER ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH CAREER.I WANT TO CONGRATULATE DIRECTOR CHRIS CHRISTIAN, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR CEDRIC.
Y'ALL GAVE ME ALL THE HARD NAMES TODAY. C CANDIA SUNDIATA.
THESE RECOGNITIONS DEMONSTRATE THAT DALLAS IS JUST NOT MEETING PUBLIC HEALTH STANDARDS.
WE ARE SETTING THE MODEL AND THE EXAMPLE ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS.
PLEASE JOIN ME, MR. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, IN CONGRATULATING THIS TEAM WHO REPRESENTS OUR COMMUNITY, CONSUMER HEALTH EMPLOYEES, FOR THIS OUTSTANDING ACHIEVEMENT, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO INVITE THEM, MR. MAYOR, IF WE CAN, FOR A PHOTO WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.
THANK YOU ALL SO VERY MUCH. KEEP RUNNING UP THE SCORE.
THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE MR. MAYOR TO THE SECOND RECOGNITION FOR THE MORNING.
CAN YOU GUYS COME FORWARD, PLEASE? THE DALLAS GREEN BUSINESS CERTIFICATION PROGRAM HIGHLIGHTS LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT DEMONSTRATE STRONG SUSTAINABLE PRACTICES.
THESE EFFORTS ALIGN WITH THE EIGHT GOALS OF THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE ENVIRONMENTAL AND CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, WHICH REFLECTS INDUSTRY BEST PRACTICES AND LEADERSHIP STANDARDS IN THE NATION.
APPLICANTS MAY ACHIEVE BRONZE, SILVER, GOLD, AND PLATINUM CERTIFICATION.
TODAY, WE CELEBRATE THOSE ACHIEVING THE HIGHEST LEVEL GOLD AND PLATINUM.
THIS YEAR MARKS THE PROGRAM'S FIRST UNDER THE OFFICE OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AND SUSTAINABILITY.
AND I WILL READ THOSE OUT FOR YOU THIS MORNING IN THE GOLD CERTIFICATION CATEGORY.
THE RECIPIENTS ARE PARKLAND MEMORIAL HOSPITAL, SOUTHWEST AIRLINES, DALLAS HANGAR, FAIRMONT DALLAS AND THE FOLLOWING DALLAS PARK AND RECREATION FACILITIES FRETZ RECREATION CENTER, PLEASANT OAKS, SAMUELL FARM.
WILLIAM WILLIE B JOHNSON PARK IN THE WOODS, SINGING HILLS AND KEAST IN THE PLATINUM CERTIFICATION.
THE RECIPIENTS ARE JOHN TO POWER, SHERATON DALLAS HOTEL, SOUTHWEST AIRLINES, DALLAS HEADQUARTERS, BANK OF AMERICA PLAZA, TEXAS DISCOVERY GARDENS, DALLAS ZOO, AND THE DALLAS PARK AND RECREATION CENTERS BACHMAN REC CENTER. WE'D LIKE TO CONGRATULATE THESE 2020 526 AWARDEES.
CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU ALL. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.
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MR. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. I DO HAVE ANOTHER RECOGNITION FOR THIS MORNING TO DALLAS.WE'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S EXPLORER PROGRAM.
WILL YOU ALL COME FORWARD? THIS PROGRAM INTRODUCES YOUNG PEOPLE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT CAREERS THROUGH MENTORSHIP, PRACTICAL TRAINING, LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT, AND COMMUNITY SERVICE.
DON'T THEY LOOK GOOD THIS MORNING? IN 2026. OUR EXPLORERS DEMONSTRATED DEDICATION, DISCIPLINE AND TEAMWORK WHILE REPRESENTING DALLAS AT REGIONAL, STATEWIDE, AND NATIONAL EVENTS. THEY EARNED FIRST PLACE OVERALL AT THE DAVID PARRIS MEMORIAL COMPETITION, RETURNING TO THE TOP POSITION FOR THE FIRST TIME FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS IN MORE THAN A DECADE AT THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY COMPETITION, THEY EARNED TWO FIRST PLACE AWARDS AND MORE THAN $5,000 IN SCHOLARSHIPS.
THEY ALSO RECEIVED SIX AWARDS AT THE CENTRAL PUBLIC CENTRAL TEXAS PUBLIC SAFETY CADET COMPETITION.
OUR EXPLORERS REPRESENTED DALLAS AT SCOUTING AMERICA'S NATIONAL ANNUAL MEETING, AND THE PROGRAM RECEIVED THE STUDENT IMPACT AWARD FOR SUPPORTING STUDENT SUCCESS. ERIK SANDOVAL, ERIC, RAISE YOUR HAND WAS NAMED EXPLORER OF THE YEAR, WHILE SENIOR. WHILE SENIOR CORPORAL BRANDON DYE WON THE ADVISOR FITNESS CHALLENGE FOR THE SECOND CONSECUTIVE YEAR.
EMILY. EMILY. FLORES. EMILY, RAISE YOUR HAND.
IS EMILY HERE? SHE'S ON THE STREETS. OKAY, THERE WE GO.
EMILY FLORES BECAME THE SECOND FORMER EXPLORER TO GRADUATE FROM THE DALLAS POLICE ACADEMY THIS YEAR, HIGHLIGHTING THE PROGRAM'S ROLE IN PREPARING FUTURE OFFICERS.
WE WANT TO CONGRATULATE THIS MORNING, MR. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. OUR EXPLORERS.
WE WANT TO THANK THE ADVISORS WHO LEAD AND SHEPHERD THEM THROUGH THIS PROGRAM.
SERGEANT MARCUS PIERCE, SENIOR CORPORAL LEONARD ANDERSON AND POLICE OFFICER JUSTICE GUNNELS.
THEIR FAMILIES, COMMUNITY SUPPORTERS ARE ALL HELPING THESE YOUNG PEOPLE BUILD CONFIDENCE, PURSUE OPPORTUNITIES AND DEVELOP THE SKILLS THAT THEY NEED IN ORDER TO SERVE AND LEAD RIGHT HERE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
GOD BLESS YOU ALL. AND WE'D LIKE TO GET THEM UP FOR A PHOTO AS WELL. MAYOR, MAY I BE RECOGNIZED FOR A MOMENT? CERTAINLY. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE PROGRAM.
IF YOU EVER GET AN OPPORTUNITY, I WELCOME ALL OF YOU.
YOU SHOULD GO TO THEIR GRADUATION PROGRAMS. THERE'S WONDERFUL RECOGNITION FOR WHAT THE YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN ARE DOING AND THE MENTEES AND INSTRUCTORS WHO ARE HERE. YOU GIVE SO MUCH EXTRA TIME AND EFFORT TO THESE KIDS, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.
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ALL RIGHT, MADAM CITY MANAGER. DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR THIS MORNING? I THINK IT DOES. SO I'M GOING TO RECOGNIZE CHAIRMAN PAUL RIDLEY FOR AN ANNOUNCEMENT.THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THIS MORNING, WE HAVE THE HONOR OF RECOGNIZING TWO OUTSTANDING DALLAS JUDGES FOR THEIR SERVICE TO OUR CITY JUDGE, CHERYL DEE WILLIAMS AND JUDGE JAY ROBINSON. JUDGE WILLIAMS RETIRED IN NOVEMBER 2025 AFTER NEARLY 31 YEARS OF PUBLIC SERVICE TO THE DALLAS MUNICIPAL COURT. HER SERVICE INCLUDED PRESIDING AT THE SOUTH DALLAS COMMUNITY COURT AND THE SOUTH DALLAS DRUG COURT, HELPING TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE AND JUDICIAL SUPPORT TO DEFENDANTS DURING SOME OF THE HARDEST MOMENTS OF THEIR LIVES.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK HELPING TO REHABILITATE DALLAS RESIDENTS.
JUDGE ROBINSON RETIRED IN MAY OF THIS YEAR AFTER NEARLY 33 YEARS OF SERVICE.
IN ADDITION TO HIS DUTIES AS MUNICIPAL AND EVENTUALLY ADMINISTRATIVE JUDGE, HE WAS ALSO APPOINTED ADJUNCT PROFESSOR AT UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS AT DALLAS COLLEGE OF LAW. THANK YOU, JUDGE ROBINSON, FOR SERVING OUR COMMUNITY ON BEHALF OF MAYOR ERIC JOHNSON.
WE SPEND EXTEND SPECIAL RECOGNITIONS TO BOTH OF YOU FOR YOUR EXEMPLARY SERVICE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND DID YOU WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS? JUDGES. THE FLOOR IS YOURS IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS US FOR A MOMENT.
ALL RIGHT. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I APPRECIATE THIS HONOR VERY MUCH.
IT WAS TRULY A PRIVILEGE TO SERVE ALL THOSE YEARS AS A MUNICIPAL JUDGE FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND I GOT TO WORK WITH SOME GREAT JUDGES WHO MANY OF WHOM ARE STANDING BEHIND ME RIGHT NOW.
AND I HONESTLY, THE 31 PLUS YEARS IS FULL TIME JUDGE WENT BY VERY, VERY QUICKLY, AND IT WAS A PLEASURE GOING TO WORK EVERY MORNING AND WORKING WITH MY COLLEAGUES. AND I APPRECIATE THIS HONOR TODAY VERY MUCH.
I DIDN'T EXPECT IT. AND VERY NICE OF YOU ALL TO DO THIS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOOD MORNING, HONORABLE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I KIND OF WANT TO DITTO WHAT JUDGE ROBINSON JUST STATED.
IT HAS BEEN A PLEASURE AND AN HONOR AND MY PRIVILEGE TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF DALLAS AS A MUNICIPAL JUDGE FOR THE LAST 26 YEARS AS A FULL TIME JUDGE. AND I, I'M HONORED THAT I GOT TO WORK WITH SOME OUTSTANDING JUDGES.
WE'VE HAD MUNICIPAL JUDGES THAT ARE NOW ON DISTRICT COURT BENCHES AND COUNTY COURT BENCHES, AND THEY ALL STARTED AT THE CITY OF DALLAS, WHERE THEY GOT THEY GOT TO BE GOOD JUDGES.
AND SO I'M HONORED TO WORK WITH SOME OUTSTANDING JUDGES.
I'M HONORED TO HAVE SERVED THE CITY AND FOR YOUR ALL'S CONFIDENCE IN ME IN THOSE YEARS OF SERVICE.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU. AND IF YOU ALL WOULD COME INSIDE THE RAIL, IF YOU DON'T MIND, WE'D LOVE TO GET A PHOTOGRAPH WITH YOU ALL. ALL OF THE JUDGES. THANK YOU.
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AND WITH THAT, I THINK WE ARE DONE WITH ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR THIS MORNING.SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU, MADAM SECRETARY.
THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, AND GOOD MORNING. THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL.
THANK YOU. THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW HEAR ITS FIRST FIVE REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
I WILL RECITE THE SPEAKER GUIDELINES. SPEAKERS MUST OBSERVE THE SAME RULES OF PROPRIETY, DECORUM AND GOOD CONDUCT APPLICABLE TO MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. ANY SPEAKER MAKING PERSONAL AND PERTINENT, PROFANE OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS, OR WHO BECOMES BOISTEROUS WHILE ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE ROOM. FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE IN PERSON, I BELIEVE ALL SPEAKERS ARE IN PERSON.
SPEAKERS FOR THIS MEETING. SPEAKERS WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
YOU WILL NOTICE ON THE MONITOR YOUR TIME. WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP, PLEASE STOP.
ALSO, SPEAKERS, PLEASE BE MINDFUL THAT DURING YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REFER TO A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER BY NAME AND TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO MAYOR JOHNSON. ONLY YOUR FIRST SPEAKER, LINDA NEWLIN.
LINDA NEWLIN IS NOT PRESENT. CATHERINE. ART.
GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS CATHERINE AND I LIVE AT 4829 MANOR PLACE IN DALLAS AS ZIP CODE 75204 AND I LIVE IN DISTRICT TWO. I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT FLOCK CAMERAS THAT SUDDENLY APPEARED BY TWO OF THE SCHOOLS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
ONE IS A W SPENCE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND THE OTHER IS THE BOYS PREPARATORY SCHOOL AND THE BASEBALL FIELD. DE BANDERAS BASEBALL FIELD. MY CONCERNS ARE ONE FOR THE SAFETY OF THE HISPANIC MEMBERS OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND FOR THOSE WHO SEND THEIR CHILDREN TO THESE SCHOOLS.
AND SO THAT CONCERNS ME. THE CITY HAS ALREADY TURNED OFF SOME OF THE FLOCK CAMERAS.
SO WHY THESE CAMERAS HERE AND WHY NOW? BECAUSE THEY APPEARED RIGHT AS SCHOOL STARTED.
THEY HADN'T BEEN THERE. AND THEN TA DA! THERE THEY WERE.
SO THAT IS MY CONCERN FOR TODAY. AND I THANK YOU ALL FOR THE JOBS THAT YOU DO.
AND I THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME. THANK YOU. MARY JANE COX.
YEAH. I DIDN'T READ THE WHOLE THING. HE MENTIONED YOU.
GOOD MORNING, MAYOR JOHNSON AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS MARY JANE COX. I LIVE IN DISTRICT 13.
MY HUSBAND, RICHARD AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO YOU SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS.
I WANT TO ASK YOU, HOW CAN YOU MAKE A MONUMENTAL, PRECEDENT SETTING DECISION WITHOUT VISITING A SITE AND TALKING DIRECTLY TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE AFFECTED? MANY OF YOU HAVE ALREADY COME TO THE SITE AND WE APPRECIATE IT, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. WE ALL KNOW THAT WEALTHY DEVELOPERS CAN HIRE LOBBYISTS, HIGH POWERED ATTORNEYS AND MAKE SUBSTANTIAL CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS, BUT THIS DECISION SHOULD NOT BE ABOUT WEALTH OR INFLUENCE OF A FEW INDIVIDUALS.
IT SHOULD BE ABOUT WHAT IS BEST FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
YOU HAVE SEEN WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED AT PRESTON AND ROYAL.
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IT'S 240FT HIGH. YOU HAVE YOU SHOULD NOT TOLERATE THAT KIND OF HEIGHT IN A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.WE HAVE A COMPROMISE. MY HUSBAND IS SHOWING IT TO YOU HERE.
AS LELAND BURKE HAS STATED, THIS PROJECT WAS INTENDED TO CREATE A LEGACY FOR HIM AND HIS PARTNERS.
BUT AT WHAT COST TO THE RESIDENTS WHO ALREADY CALL THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HOME? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FIVE STAR HOTEL, MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR CONDOS AND EXPENSIVE APARTMENTS.
THERE ARE MORE THAN 200 UNITS IN THOSE, AND THIS REPRESENTS ELDERLY RESIDENTS, YOUNG PEOPLE AND FAMILIES, AND IT IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND INCLUDING OUR OWN DAUGHTER LIVES THERE.
WE RECOGNIZE THAT TRAFFIC NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP.
BUT OUR STREETS CAN'T BE SIMPLY WIDENED. REDUCING THE HEIGHT AND THE DENSITY WOULD BE WHAT WE NEED TO LESSEN THE BURDEN ON OUR ALREADY CONGESTED ROADS. WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER, BUT WE'VE NOT HAD ANY HELP FROM OUR COUNCILWOMAN.
DISTRICT 13 CONSTITUENTS SIGNIFICANTLY PAY TAXES AND WE DO TURN OUT TO VOTE.
WE DESERVE TO HAVE OUR VOICES HEARD AND OUR NEIGHBORHOODS PROTECTED.
JUST AS YOU VOTED AGAINST WINTERS TOWER IN SOUTH DALLAS.
I URGE YOU TO VOTE AGAINST THIS PROJECT AS IT'S PROPOSED.
THAT'S YOUR TIME. I THANK YOU, THANK YOU. DANNY HERSON.
GOOD MORNING, MAYOR JOHNSON AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS DAN HERSON. I LIVE 200FT WITHIN PRESTON ROYAL.
I'M A RETIRED ARCHITECT. IN THE LAST 40 YEARS, I'VE SPENT A PLANNING, DESIGNING AND CONSTRUCTING MAJOR COMMERCIAL PROJECTS INCLUDING DALLAS LOVE FIELD AIRPORT PROJECT TEN YEARS AGO.
I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO BASICALLY DENY THIS AS WRITTEN.
I WANT TO BE CLEAR UP FRONT, UP FRONT ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
WHAT WE'RE AGAINST IS IN THIS ORDINANCE BECAUSE OF WHAT IT ALLOWS AND WHAT IT LEAVES OUT.
YOUR OWN PLANNING STAFF TOLD THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THE 240 FOOT BUILDING LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD PROBABLY BE CONSIDERED PRETTY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THIS AREA, AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THEM. SO WHAT DOES THE CITY GET FOR 186 EXTRA FEET? THE BONUS HEIGHT BONUS GIVES YOU 5% OF THE APARTMENTS TO BE AFFORDABLE.
IF THERE ARE 175 APARTMENTS AND ROUGHLY NINE UNITS, NINE UNITS, NINE UNITS IN EXCHANGE FOR MORE THAN FOUR TIMES THE BUILDING HEIGHTS ALLOWED BY CURRENT ZONING LAWS. SECOND TRAFFIC. YOU'VE PROBABLY READ ABOUT THE DEVELOPERS WILL PAY FOR THE NEW TRAFFIC SIGNALS AT PRESTON ROYAL AND FIRE STATION 41 AND RETIMING ALONG AURORA LANE. I'M GLAD TO HEAR IT, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH FOR MITIGATION.
THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WERE TAKEN OUT OF THE ORDINANCE AND LEFT FOR PERMITTING.
THE CITY'S OWN ENGINEERS SAID THE TRAFFIC STUDY THEY REVIEWED IS NOT FINAL.
SO EVERY ONE OF THESE PROMISES LIVE IN A NEWSPAPER STORY, BUT NOT IN THE LAW THAT YOU'LL BE VOTING ON IF THE PROPERTY IS SOLD OR PLANES CHANGED, THESE PROMISES CAN DISAPPEAR. PARKING IS LEFT TO THE CITYWIDE CODE, WHICH, AFTER LAST YEAR'S CHANGES MADE, REQUIRED VERY LITTLE. WHEN THE GARAGE FILLS UP THOSE CARS, CARS WILL BE DUMPED INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
THIRDLY, WHAT'S MISSING? A FEW MILES FROM HERE, PRESTON HOLLOW VILLAGE HAD A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT IN THE SAME DISTRICT. IT ORDINANCES CAPPED A NUMBER OF HOUSES AND HOTEL ROOMS. IT REQUIRED NOTICE TO NEIGHBORS ASSOCIATION FOR ANY CHANGES WERE MADE.
IT LIMITED MINOR AMENDMENTS SO HEIGHTS COULD NOT CREEP UP LATER.
THERE'S NO CONSTRUCTION HOURS LIMITS DURING THIS CONSTRUCTION.
SO MY REQUEST IS SIMPLE PLEASE DENY 1150 AS WRITTEN.
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IF THE DEVELOPER COMES BACK WITH A PLAN THAT RESPECTS THE HEIGHT NEAR OUR HOMES, PLUS THE TRAFFIC COMMITMENT INTO THE ORDINANCE AND INCLUDES THE PROTECTION OF PRESIDENT ALREADY HAD, WE'D BE GLAD TO SIT DOWN WITH THE DEVELOPERS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.GOOD MORNING. AND ONCE AGAIN, I'M THANKFUL TO BE HERE.
THIS IS GLORIA CARVAJAL AND THIS IS ACTUALLY MY 19 TIME SPEAKING BEFORE THIS.
REGARDING THIS INHUMANE AND DANGEROUS OF THE HORSE CARRIAGES IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS.
SO TOMORROW IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T HEARD THE, THE CITY OF NEW YORK VOTES IN, I'M CERTAIN THAT THEY WILL BE TRANSITIONING TO HUMANE IN TOURISM AND AWAY FROM THIS SEVERELY DANGEROUS AND OUTDATED TRADE.
SO THAT'S EXCITING NEWS THAT IT'S FINALLY COMING TO, TO HAPPEN.
ONE THAT CAME, THAT JUST STOOD OUT. I'VE, IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW.
SEVERAL MONTHS LATER THAT WAS PROVIDED TO ME BY A VOLUNTEER.
EXCEPT THIS TIME IT WAS AT NIGHT AND IT WAS THREE DIGIT WEATHER.
THIS PAST WEEKEND THE IT WAS A ONE OF THE ALSO SEASONED DRIVERS, I BELIEVE SHE NEGLECTED TO PROVIDE THE TEN MINUTE BREAKS. THAT'S ALSO A CODE COMPLIANCE VIOLATION.
IT'S A TEN MINUTE BREAK. THAT NEEDS TO BE OFFERED EVERY 15 MINUTES.
WORKED. TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY, BEFORE MY TIME IS UP ON THIS PAST SATURDAY, I WITNESSED THE DRIVER, AND THIS IS A VERY BUSY, CONGESTED AREA ON OUR PHONE TAKING WHAT APPEARED TO BE SELFIES OR PICTURES OF HER CUSTOMERS AND HERSELF, PROBABLY HERSELF. AND I DO HAVE VIDEO AND I DO HAVE A SCREENSHOT THAT I PROVIDED YOU GUYS THAT I EMAILED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
OR RECENTLY AGAIN, I WILL KEEP THIS SHORT. MY TIME IS ALMOST UP.
ONCE AGAIN, I'M THANKFUL TO BE HERE. I'M, I'M VERY HUMBLED FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY THAT I'M GIVEN TO SPEAK BEFORE HORSES OR ANIMALS THAT ARE NOT THAT DON'T HAVE A VOICE, BUT THERE ARE SOME OF US TO DO.
SO AGAIN, WE HOPE THAT YOU GUYS FOLLOW SUIT AND DO WHAT NEW YORK IS FINALLY GOING TO BE DOING SOON IS ENDING THIS NONSENSE OF A TRADE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, TAMMY KUKLA.
ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING MAYOR. I'M TAMMY KUKLA FROM DISTRICT TWO.
THEY HAVE FIVE CAT KENNELS, FIVE DOG KENNELS AS WELL.
THE BRIDGE HAS 16 DOG KENNELS, NO CAT KENNELS.
SO HERE ARE TWO EXAMPLES. RECENTLY WHERE WE WENT THROUGH.
SO WE HAD A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE VICTIM GET TO THE ER.
SHE WAS ACTUALLY SEPARATED FROM HER ABUSER. THEY ASKED HER IF SHE FELT SAFE AT HOME.
LUCKILY, THE INDIVIDUAL IN THE ER AND IN WORKING WITH PD CONTACTED US BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY FOSTER AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET HER DOG IN BOARDING BECAUSE DALLAS ANIMAL SERVICES DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY, NOR DO WE HAVE A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP TO BOARD THE ANIMALS.
AS WELL. WE HAD A SITUATION IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WHERE WITH DOWNTOWN DALLAS INC.
OVER AT MSG, A GENTLEMAN HAD TWO DOGS TETHERED TO HIS WAIST.
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HE WAS DRUNK, HIGH, HAD A KNIFE. AND THE PARTNERSHIP THAT DOES EXIST IS WITH THE SPCA OF TEXAS AND PARKLAND AND DHFR.SO HE WAS TRANSPORTED TO PARKLAND BY DHFR. SPCA WAS CONTACTED BY PARKLAND, BUT BY THE TIME SPCA GOT THERE, UNFORTUNATELY HE HAD ALREADY WALKED OUT OF PARKLAND.
THEY WILL ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PROTECTING THEIR ABUSER, THE TRAUMA THEY GO THROUGH.
SO WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO DO SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WAS THERE WAS A MEETING IN MCKINNEY BRINGING TOGETHER PARTNERS WITH RED ROVER TO LOOK AT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE RESOURCES. AND SO WE'D LIKE OUR ASK TODAY IS SIMPLE.
AND WORK ON RESOURCES AND AS WELL, LOOK AT SOME OF THE POLICIES WITH DALLAS ANIMAL SERVICES SPECIFICALLY FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE VICTIMS, FOR WHEN THEIR DOG DOES BITE AND THEIR QUARANTINE AT DAS AND WHAT RESOURCES MIGHT EXIST.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THIS CONCLUDES YOUR FIRST FIVE REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS MEETING.
AND IT ALSO CONCLUDES YOUR OPEN MICROPHONE SPEAKERS FOR THIS MEETING, MR. MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR VOTING AGENDA.
SHE'S NOT HERE. HELLO. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
DOLORES PHILLIPS. I READ, AND IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, THE BOARD AND COMMISSIONS REPORT ONCE A YEAR OR ANNUALLY TO THE TO THE CITY MANAGER. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. I'M TRYING TO STAY ON TOPIC.
I DID GIVE MISS MARTINEZ HANDOUT. SHE GAVE HIM BACK TO ME.
AND THE BOARDS AND THE COMMISSIONERS OR THE APPOINTEES TO THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS SHOULD KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO DETAIL WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CITY AGENCIES, DEPARTMENTS AND GOVERNMENTS.
NOW, IN THE FABRICATED POLICE REPORTS IN WHICH THE APPOINTEES WILL BE DEALING WITH, WE ARE SPEAKING OF FABRICATED POLICE REPORT DPD NUMBER 02732918. OCTOBER 25TH, 2013.
THAT IS IRVING. REPORT NUMBER 11-2381 FOR SEPTEMBER 29TH, 2011.
THAT CONNECTS TO GRAND PRAIRIE FABRICATED POLICE REPORT 11-26104.
NOW, THIS REPORT ALLEGEDLY WAS FROM ARLINGTON AND THE REST OF ME AND A STEPHANIE MARIE BRYANT WHITEHEAD OR BRYANT. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT HER LAST NAME IS.
I DON'T KNOW HER. I'M SURE SHE DON'T KNOW ME.
THEY HAVE A FABRICATED POLICE REPORT WITH FINGERPRINTS AND ALSO A PICTURE OF AI.
SO WHAT? I'M STANDING HERE TO REMIND THE APPOINTEES OF CITY OF DALLAS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONERS TO PAY ATTENTION TO DETAIL IN 2013, WHEN MAYOR ROLLINS PREARRANGED THE MEETING 2 TO 3 WEEKS PRIOR.
I WAS THERE TO SPEAK OF 2009 911 CALLS THAT WAS ERASED WITHIN ONE WEEK.
AND THE INCIDENT DETAIL REPORTS IN THE MASTER.
VIEWERS FROM YOUR OWN SYSTEM STATES THAT IT IS SO IMPORTANT FOR THE APPOINTEES TO KNOW THAT TO PAY ATTENTION TO DETAIL. CORPORATE COTNER THAT'S YOUR NAME. OCTOBER 25TH, 2013.
WHAT IS YOUR OWN POLICE REPORT NUMBER? HAVE A GOOD DAY.
THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM ONE IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF THE SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2026 BUDGET WORKSHOP.
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CITY COUNCIL MEETING. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. NEXT ITEM. AGENDA ITEM TWO IS.
CONSIDERATION. CONSIDERATION OF APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
THIS MORNING YOU HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL APPOINTMENT.
A VICE CHAIR APPOINTMENT AND A CHAIR APPOINTMENT.
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AN OFFICER OF THE BOARD AND ALSO ALLOW THE MAYOR TO ABSTAIN ON THE CHAIR.APPOINTMENT. YOUR NOMINEE FOR APPOINTMENT TO THE JUDICIAL NOMINATING COMMISSION.
MATTHEW MCDOUGALL IS BEING NOMINATED BY MAYOR JOHNSON AND YOUR VICE CHAIR APPOINTMENT DIAL IN ARE.
ROCKWELL IS BEING NOMINATED VICE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION ON DISABILITIES BY MAYOR PRO TEM RESENDEZ, DEPUTY MAYOR. PRO TEM JOHNSON. COUNCIL MEMBER.
WEST. COUNCILMEMBER CADENA COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA AND COUNCIL MEMBER BLAIR.
THESE ARE YOUR NOMINEES, MR. MAYOR. IS THERE A MOTION? IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. NEXT ITEM. YOUR CHAIR APPOINTMENT.
MATTHEW MCDOUGALL IS BEING NOMINATED CHAIR OF THE JUDICIAL NOMINATING COMMISSION BY MAYOR JOHNSON.
THIS IS YOUR ITEM, MR. MAYOR. IS THERE A MOTION? IS THERE A. IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECOND DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT.
I ABSTAINED, NOTED, MR. MAYOR. MR. MAYOR, YOUR BRIEFINGS CONTINUE.
OKAY, WE'LL TURN OVER TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. THANK YOU.
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THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. MAYOR. OUR FIRST BRIEFING THIS MORNING. BRIEFING ITEM NUMBER A CITY CODE REVISIONS 12B-2 CONVENIENCE STORES.THIS ORDINANCE, ADMINISTERED BY THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH REGISTRATION AND ENFORCEMENT SUPPORT FROM CODE COMPLIANCE SERVICES, WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED IN 2008 TO PROMOTE PUBLIC SAFETY AND REDUCE CRIME AT CONVENIENCE STORES IN OUR CITY AS RETAIL OPERATIONS AND SECURITY PRACTICES HAVE EVOLVED. THE CITY HAS IDENTIFIED OPPORTUNITIES TO MODERNIZE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS WHILE MAINTAINING OUR COMMITMENT TO PROTECTING EMPLOYEES, CUSTOMERS AND SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ADDRESS THREE PRIMARY AREAS.
ESTABLISHING A DISTINCTION FOR SMALL BOX DISCOUNT STORES.
UPDATING STORE VISIBILITY REQUIREMENTS AND REVISING SURVEILLANCE, CAMERA AND ATM PLACEMENT REQUIREMENTS TO BETTER REFLECT CURRENT SECURITY PRACTICES AND PUBLIC SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS.
THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE TO ASSIST WITH LEGAL QUESTIONS.
I WANT TO JUST REITERATE TODAY'S BRIEFING IS TO PRESENT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE REVISIONS AND ANSWER QUESTIONS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND COUNCIL'S DIRECTION BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD TODAY. THE PRESENTATION WILL BE LED BY ASSISTANT CHIEF TINA SCHULTZ WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, JOINED BY DIRECTOR CEDRIC. CEDRIC'S LAST NAME IS CEDRIC.
WITH CODE, COMPLIANCE SERVICES AND CEDRIC. I'LL LET YOU JUST DO YOUR LAST NAME AGAIN.
ASSISTANT CHIEF SCHULTZ, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU TO BEGIN THE PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER. AND THANK YOU, COUNCIL, FOR INVITING US TO THIS BRIEF.
SO WE JUST WANT TO GO OVER. TODAY'S ORDINANCE PROPOSAL IS ENSURING A PUBLIC SAFETY THAT SAFETY REQUIREMENTS CONTINUE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE APPLIED WHERE THEY'RE MOST APPROPRIATE WHILE RECOGNIZING THAT THE NEW RETAIL FORMATS OPERATE DIFFERENTLY, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO MOVE WITH THOSE NEW MODELS AND NOT THAT THEY'RE WITH THE TRADITIONAL MODELS.
SO OUR PRESENTATION OVERVIEW IS GOING TO GO OVER OUR CURRENT CITY CODE 12 B.
IT SHOULD BE NOTED ON SLIDE FIVE THAT THERE WAS AN UPDATE ON THAT.
IT WAS IN OUR AREA THAT WE HAD THE WRONG DEFINITION.
NEXT SLIDE. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING CEDRIC.
ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, DEPARTMENT OF CODE COMPLIANCE SERVICES. SLIDE THREE.
CHAPTER 12 B WAS ON THE BOOKS SINCE 2008. THE CURRENT DEFINITION OF A CONVENIENCE STORE COVERS A BUSINESS PRIMARILY ENGAGED IN THE RETAIL SALE OF CONVENIENCE GOODS OR BOTH CONVENIENCE GOODS AND GASOLINE.
WITH LESS THAN 10,000FT² OF RETAIL FLOOR SPACE.
IT ALSO EXCLUDES ANY BUSINESSES WITH NO RETAIL FLOOR SPACE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.
THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE WAS AN INNOVATIVE PUBLIC SAFETY INITIATIVE FOCUSED ON REDUCING CRIME, IMPROVING INVESTIGATIONS AND INCREASING EMPLOYEE SAFETY AT ADDITIONAL AT TRADITIONAL CONVENIENCE STORES.
NEARLY TWO DECADES LATER, THE RETAIL MARKETPLACE HAS CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY.
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TODAY'S AMENDMENT ENSURES THOSE PUBLIC SAFETY REQUIREMENTS CONTINUE TO BE APPLIED WHERE THEY ARE MOST APPROPRIATE AND MOST EFFECTIVE.NEXT SLIDE. OUR REASONING. THOSE CHAINS OPERATE UNDER A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BUSINESS MODEL THAN A TRADITIONAL CONVENIENCE STORE. THEIR DESIGNS HAVE EVOLVED SIGNIFICANTLY.
CHECKOUT COUNTERS ARE REPOSITIONED AWAY FROM WINDOWS.
TOBACCO CABINETS ARE ENCLOSED. SMART SAFES ARE STANDARD PRACTICE AND HIGH THEFT MERCHANDISE IS DELIBERATELY PLACED TO PROTECT STAFF. WITH THAT SAID, DOLLAR TREE INC.
AS A RESULT OF THIS ORDINANCE IN MOST OF THEIR LOCATIONS WOULD AMOUNT TO OVER $100,000.
THE CORPORATE LAYOUT SIMPLY CANNOT COMPLY WITH VISIBILITY REQUIREMENTS WRITTEN FOR A SINGLE CLERK, CONSUMER, OR CONVENIENCE STORE. WHAT IS MORE, MEETING THOSE REQUIREMENTS WOULD FORCE RETAILERS TO REDESIGN THE VERY SECURITY STRUCTURES AND FEATURES BUILT TO PROTECT THEIR EMPLOYEES, A REQUIREMENT DESIGNED NEARLY 20 YEARS AGO, SHOULD NOT CREATE AN UNINTENDED SAFETY CONCERN IN THE STORES IT GOVERNS TODAY.
THE PROPOSED DEFINITION REFLECTS THIS THINKING.
NEXT SLIDE. THE AMENDMENT CREATES A NEW DEFINED CATEGORY THE SMALL BOX DISCOUNT STORE.
IT MEANS ANY BUSINESS PRIMARILY ENGAGED IN THE RETAIL SALE OF FOODS, BEVERAGES, HOUSEHOLD PRODUCTS, PERSONAL GROOMING, HEALTH PRODUCTS, AND OTHER CONVENIENCE GOODS THAT DOES NOT SELL.
ONE ITEM WORTH NOTING FOR COUNCIL'S AWARENESS AFTER THIS PRESENTATION WAS FINALIZED, AS WAS MENTIONED BY MY COLLEAGUE, THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE WAS REFINED TO TIGHTEN THAT LAST QUALIFIER.
THE FINAL ORDINANCE SPECIFIES A RISK LEVEL TWO ESTABLISHMENT PERMIT, AS DEFINED IN CHAPTER 17 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE, RATHER THAN A FULL ESTABLISHMENT PERMIT. BROADLY, THAT DISTINCTION MATTERS.
A RISK LEVEL TWO PERMIT COVERS HIGH VOLUME FOOD PREPARATION OPERATIONS, FULL COMMERCIAL KITCHENS, DELIS, THAT LEVEL OF FOOD SERVICE. IN ESSENCE, DOLLAR STORES, PHARMACIES AND CONVENIENCE STORE STYLE RETAILERS DON'T OPERATE AT THAT LEVEL AND WOULD NOT HOLD THAT PERMIT UNDER NORMAL BUSINESS MODELS.
NEXT SLIDE. THAT SAID, SECTION 12 B 18 CURRENTLY REQUIRES ALL CONVENIENCE STORES TO MAINTAIN AN UNOBSTRUCTED LINE OF SIGHT FROM THE CASH REGISTER THROUGH ALL WINDOWS AND DOORS FROM 3FT TO 6FT ABOVE GRADE, OR THE GROUND FOR A TRADITIONAL CORNER STORE. THAT REQUIREMENT IS WELL PLACED, BUT THE LAYOUT OF A WALGREENS OR SOME OF THE OTHER RETAIL TYPES THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING IS SIMPLY DIFFERENT. THE CHECKOUT IS POSITIONED DEEPER INSIDE THE STORE.
WINDOWS CARRY CORPORATE SIGNAGE, AND SHELVING.
CONFIGURATIONS DON'T LEND THEMSELVES TO THE STANDARD.
EVERY OTHER REQUIREMENT REMAINS IN FULL FORCE, AND TRADITIONAL CONVENIENCE STORES ARE NOT AFFECTED.
THIS UPDATE HAS THE FULL SUPPORT OF DPD AND THE DEPARTMENT OF CODE COMPLIANCE.
IT IS THE PRODUCT OF DELIBERATE COLLABORATION AND IT DOES NOT ELIMINATE ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY.
NEXT SLIDE. SO IF SOME OF YOU GUYS RECALL ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS ASKED WITH THE CHANGING OF THE DEFINITION WAS THE CRIME STATISTICS.
SO WE PULLED OUR DATA FROM 2025 AND LOOKING AT ALL OUR BUSINESS ROBBERIES.
SO THIS IS BASED ON WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER THE NEW DEFINITION COMING UP.
SO IN 2025, THERE WERE 461 BUSINESS ROBBERIES TOTAL.
AND OUT OF THAT 82 OF THOSE WOULD HAVE BEEN DEFINED AS THE SMALL BOX STORE UNDER THIS DEFINITION.
AND OUT OF THOSE 82, 11 OF THEM WOULD ONLY BE ACTUAL ROBBERIES.
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THE STORE CLERK OR SOMEBODY WILL TRY TO STOP THEM. AND THEN AN ASSAULT OF SOME SORT HAPPENS, WHICH THEN TAKES IT TO A ROBBERY.SO OUT OF THE 461 THERE WERE WITH THE SMALL BOX STORE DEFINITION, IT WOULD ONLY BE 11 THAT WOULD FIT THE DEFINITION OF AN ACTUAL ROBBERY, NOT SHOPLIFT. GONE ROBBERY. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
AND SAME THING. THIS IS THE THE CRIME STATS FOR 2026.
AND OUT OF THAT, THE 34 SMALL BOX STORE ROBBERIES, SIX OF THOSE WERE ACTUAL ROBBERIES.
NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS A CVS ON FERGUSON ROAD. THE INTERIOR REFLECTS WHAT A MODEL CVS LOOKS LIKE.
CEILING MOUNTED CAMERAS. SELF CHECKOUT KIOSK AND WINDOW SIGNAGE.
YET UNDER THE CURRENT CODE, IT IS REGULATED IDENTICALLY.
THIS IS WALGREENS ON ROSS AVENUE AND IT OFFERS YET ANOTHER ILLUSTRATION.
THE STOREFRONT WINDOWS SIT WELL ABOVE THE 3 TO 6 FOOT GRADE REQUIREMENT, AS PICTURED, AND IT ALSO HAS CEILING MOUNTED CAMERAS AND VISIBLE THAT ARE VISIBLE THROUGH THE INTERIOR.
THIS AMENDMENT BRINGS THE CODE INTO ALIGNMENT WITH THAT REALITY.
NEXT SLIDE. AND FINALLY, WE HAVE PICTURED HERE FAMILY DOLLAR, LOCATED ON LIVE OAK AND BRINGS THIS ISSUE INTO FULL EFFECT.
THE PHOTO SHOWS SOME SIGNAGE ON THE DOORS AND WINDOWS.
PRECISELY THE CONFIGURATION. THE CURRENT VISIBILITY REQUIREMENT FOR BIDS.
THIS IS A STORE OPERATING WITHIN A STANDARD CORPORATE LAYOUT.
HOWEVER, IN A STRIP CENTER SETTING THAT IS COMMON ACROSS DALLAS, THE SMALL BOX DESIGNATION ALLOWS THAT LAYOUT TO CONTINUE, BUT IT ALSO CHANGES NOTHING ABOUT THE SAFETY OBLIGATIONS THAT REMAIN FULLY, IN FACT, INTACT.
CAMERA REQUIREMENTS. ATM REQUIREMENTS AND EVERY OTHER PROVISION OF 12 B APPLY IN FULL.
THE VISIBILITY EXEMPTION IS NARROW AND DELIBERATE.
THE SAFETY FLOOR IS NOT MOVED. NEXT SLIDE. AND WHAT WE HAVE PICTURED HERE IS A TABLE A COMPARATIVE STUDY THAT WE DID OF 12 OF OUR PEER CITIES, EXAMINING WHETHER EACH CITY'S REGULATORY FRAMEWORK CLASSIFIES PHARMACIES AND DALLAS I'M SORRY, DOLLAR STORES AS CONVENIENCE STORES AS DALLAS CURRENTLY DOES.
A YES IN BOTH COLUMNS INDICATES ALIGNMENT WITH DALLAS CURRENT APPROACH.
ZONING CODES CLASSIFY BY USE TYPE RATHER THAN BRAND NAME, SO THE FINDINGS REFLECT HOW EACH FRAMEWORK TREATS THESE STORE TYPES AS A CATEGORY. OUR PHARMACIES PIERCING PRACTICE IS MIXED, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE SECOND COLUMN FROM THE RIGHT.
SEVERAL MAJOR CITIES ALIGNED WITH DALLAS CURRENT CLASSIFICATION.
THE MORE CRITICAL ISSUE, HOWEVER, IS ENFORCEABILITY.
A VISIBILITY STANDARD WRITTEN FOR A TRADITIONAL CORNER STORE CANNOT BE PRACTICALLY APPLIED TO A PHARMACY LAYOUT, REGARDLESS OF HOW THE STORE IS CLASSIFIED. ONE.
ON I'M SORRY ON DOLLAR STORES. ON THE OTHER HAND, THE FINAL COLUMN.
ON DOLLAR STORES. THE FINDINGS ARE MORE DEFINITIVE.
AS I SAID, TWO THIRDS REVIEWED DO NOT CLASSIFY AS CONVENIENCE STORES.
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THE MAJORITY OF THE PEER CITIES HAVE ALREADY MADE THAT DISTINCTION.NOTABLY, BOTH DALLAS AND HOUSTON ARE THE ONLY TWO CITIES IN THIS REVIEW THAT IMPOSES A VISIBILITY REQUIREMENT AT ALL. THIS AMENDMENT PRESERVES THAT STANDARD IN FULL FOR TRADITIONAL CONVENIENCE STORES.
NEXT SLIDE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO UNDER OUR CURRENT CITY CODE WITH ATM, THE CURRENT. THE CURRENT CITY CODE READS.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO PROPOSE IS JUST TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL THING WITH THE LANGUAGE TO SAY, TO INCLUDE ANY AUTOMATED TELLER MACHINE ATM IF ONE IS PRESENT.
SO ON OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, IT SAYS AUTOMATIC TELLER MACHINES MUST BE SECURED TO THE FLOOR OF THE CONVENIENCE STORE USING BOLTS OR OTHER SIMILAR HARDWARE AND LOCATED MORE THAN 12FT AWAY FROM GLASS WINDOWS AND DOORS.
OUR PROPOSAL IS IF THE STORES CANNOT MOVE THE ATM MORE THAN 12FT AWAY, WE'RE PROPOSING.
IF IT'S 12FT OR LESS AWAY FROM GLASS WINDOWS OR DOORS, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CAMERA POSITIONED ON THE AUTOMATED TELLER MACHINE, THE ATM. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. ONE OF THE REASONS FOR ASKING FOR THE ADDITIONAL REVISION IS REQUIRING THE STORES TO HAVE THE ATM PLACED 12FT OR FURTHER.
PUTS THE PUBLIC MORE AT RISK WHEN THE ATM THEFTS POTENTIALLY ARE OCCURRING.
BY ADDING A CAMERA ON THE ATM, IT MAKES IDENTIFYING THE SUSPECTS EASIER.
WE'LL SHOW A VIDEO, BUT LIKE WHEN THOSE ATMS ARE PULLED FROM THE BACK, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S GOING TO CAUSE EXTENSIVE DAMAGE AND POTENTIALLY COULD CAUSE HARM TO PERSONAL LIFE. NEXT SLIDE. WE CAN SEE COMPARISON TO THE OTHER CITIES. AGAIN, WE TOOK SOME OF OUR MAJOR CITIES AND WE COMPARED THEM TO WHAT THEIR CURRENT ORDINANCES HAVE.
AND SO IT DOESN'T ALIGN WITH OUR CURRENT POLICY.
YOU GUYS WANT ME TO CONTINUE UNTIL WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORK THE VIDEO? I THINK THE VIDEO IS IMPORTANT IF WE CAN MAKE IT PLAY, BECAUSE YOU'LL UNDERSTAND THE REASONING FOR THE THE REQUEST FOR MODIFICATION. OKAY. I'M JUST GOING TO MOVE ON UNTIL WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO HOW TO PLAY THAT VIDEO. SO WE PULLED THAT OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS JUST FOR REFERENCE.
711 IS THE NUMBER ONE LOCATION FOR THE ATM THEFTS IN THE LAST TEN YEARS.
SO THIS WILL KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE ATM PLACEMENT AND AND THE RATE OF THE ATM BURGLARIES.
IF WE LOOK AT 2025, 15 OF THOSE 25 WERE ALSO LOCATED IN THE BACK OF THE STORE.
AND THEN 2024, 14 OF THOSE ATMS OUT OF THE 25 WERE LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE STORE.
TODAY'S AMENDMENTS ARE NOT ABOUT REDUCING THE STANDARDS, IT'S ABOUT ENSURING THE STANDARD REMAINS APPROPRIATE AND RELEVANT FOR THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT AND CODE COMPLIANCE. WE BELIEVE THESE UPDATES WILL PRESERVE THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE, WHILE RECOGNIZING HOW RETAIL LANDSCAPE HAS CHANGED OVER THE LAST YEARS SINCE 2008.
WE BELIEVE THIS APPROACH PROTECTS PUBLIC SAFETY, ECONOMIC VITALITY, AND RESPECTFULLY.
WE. WE RESPECTFULLY RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD.
NEXT SLIDE. NOT ABLE. OKAY. AND I GUESS WE'RE UNABLE TO WHO WILL PLAY THE VIDEO.
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BUT AGAIN, THE VIDEO JUST KIND OF I'LL TRY TO RECAP THE VIDEO.IT DOES SHOW SUSPECTS COMING INTO AN ATM, AND THE ATM IS LOCATED IN THE BACK OF THE STORE, AND AS THEY PULL THE ATM, IT CAUSES ALMOST $15,000 OF DAMAGE IN THE 7-ELEVEN.
THERE ALSO WAS A STORE CLERK AT THAT LOCATION WHO.
THANKFULLY HE OR SHE WAS AWAY FROM THE ATM POOL, SO HE OR SHE WAS NOT INJURED AND WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS, RECOMMENDATIONS, OR COMMENTS THAT COUNCIL MAY HAVE FOR US. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN RIDLEY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.
WE'RE ON BRIEFING ITEM A. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
SO WITH REGARD TO THE CHANGE IN 12 B TWO DEFINITIONS, WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? IT'S UNCLEAR TO ME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMAN RIDLEY.
QUITE HONESTLY, WITH THE ADDITION OF THE SMALL BOX DEFINITION, THE.
THE OBJECTIVE IS, QUITE HONESTLY, TO CARVE OUT OF THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR SMALL BOX OPERATORS THAT DON'T FIT THE FOOTPRINT OF THE TRADITIONAL CONVENIENCE STORE MODEL. SO YOU'RE MAINTAINING THE EXISTING REGULATIONS ON VISIBILITY INTO THE STORE FOR TRADITIONAL CONVENIENCE STORES.
CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. WELL LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT DEFINITION.
WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF DISCOUNT STORE. LET ME GIVE YOU THE TECHNICAL DEFINITION.
AND MORE SPECIFICALLY, IS THERE ONE IN THE ORDINANCE.
WELL WHY USE THE WORD DISCOUNT WHICH CAN MEAN MANY DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
YEAH. SO I WAS RESPONDING, I OPENED IT UP TO SEE IF WE CAN PLAY IT.
HOPEFULLY IT WORKS. SO WHENEVER THEY SAY I'LL TRY TO PLAY IT.
SO WHY NOT JUST CALL IT SMALL BOX STORE? IT'S.
POINT WELL TAKEN. ON THE VERNACULAR QUITE HONESTLY, WE JUST LANDED ON THIS PARTICULAR VERNACULAR, BUT IT COULD HAVE EASILY BEEN WHAT YOU JUST SUGGESTED AS WELL.
TO BE QUITE HONEST, I DON'T SEE THE PURPOSE IN DISTINGUISHING DISCOUNT STORES BECAUSE SOMEONE COULD COME IN WITH A STORE THAT MEETS THIS DEFINITION BUT DOESN'T HAVE DISCOUNT ITEMS AND SAY, WE'RE NOT GOVERNED BY THIS DEFINITION BECAUSE WE AREN'T A DISCOUNT STORE.
AND THAT DEFEATS THE PURPOSE, DOESN'T IT? IT WOULD, IN THEORY.
HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, THIS DEFINITION THAT WE LANDED ON WAS THOROUGHLY VETTED TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT THAT WE OF THE OBJECTIVE THAT WE WERE TRYING TO MEET. WELL, YOUR ANSWERS DON'T REFLECT THAT.
YOUR ANSWERS ARE THAT THAT'S AN ARBITRARY TERM THAT HAS NO SPECIFIC MEANING.
AND I THINK INCLUSION HERE WOULD DEFEAT YOUR PURPOSE.
NOW FURTHER AS TO THE DEFINITION, IT SAYS ANY BUSINESS LOCATED IN A STRIP MALL.
WHY ARE SMALL BOX STORES LOCATED IN STRIP MALLS LESS AT RISK THAN INDEPENDENT STORES NOT LOCATED IN STRIP MALLS THAT ARE FREESTANDING? THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION AGAIN. WITH REGARDS TO THE STRIP MALL DEFINITION THAT WAS REMOVED AND SHOULD NOT BE CURRENTLY REFLECTED IN THE AMENDED DRAFT ORDINANCE. WELL, IT'S IN OUR PRESENTATION.
YES, SIR. AND YOU'RE SAYING IT SHOULDN'T BE. THAT'S CORRECT.
SO YOU TAKE OUT THE DEFINITION. DEFINITION OF STRIP MALL.
IS THAT ALSO REMOVED? YES, SIR. IT HAS BEEN REMOVED.
AND IF YOU'D LIKE, I'M HAPPY TO RECITE THE CURRENT DEFINITION.
WELL, I NOTICED ANOTHER CHANGE FROM WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR PACKET, WHICH WAS SQUARE FOOTAGE.
LESS THAN 10,000. YOU READ 15,000. IS THAT ANOTHER CHANGE? YES, SIR. THAT IS ANOTHER CHANGE. YOU BETTER READ THE WHOLE THING, THEN. HAPPY TO DO IT.
SMALL BOX DISCOUNT STORE MEANS ANY BUSINESS THAT IS PRIMARILY ENGAGED IN THE RETAIL SALE OF FOODS, BEVERAGES, HOUSEHOLD PRODUCTS, PERSONAL GROOMING, HEALTH PRODUCTS AND OTHER CONVENIENCE GOODS DOES NOT SELL.
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AS DEFINED IN CHAPTER 17 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE.SO IS THIS DEFINITION NOW INTENDED TO INCLUDE PHARMACY STORES LIKE CVS AND WALGREENS? YES, SIR. THOSE WOULD BY DEFAULT ALSO BE CAPTURED IN THIS DEFINITION.
SO ALL OF THE THE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF VISIBILITY INTO THE STORE THAT WE HAVE ENFORCED FOR OVER TEN YEARS ON CONVENIENCE STORE PHARMACIES WOULD GO AWAY.
NO, SIR. ALL OF THE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS WOULD REMAIN IN FULL FORCE.
THIS MAKES A PROVISION FOR THOSE VISIBILITY REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY HAD TO ADHERE TO.
WELL, HAVE YOU CHANGED SLIDE SIX TO REMOVE THE EXCEPTION FOR SMALL BOX DISCOUNT STORES FROM THE VISIBILITY REQUIREMENT. BECAUSE I'M SEEING IT THERE. GIVE ME ONE MOMENT.
FIVE. SIX. WOULD YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION, SIR? WELL, SLIDE EIGHT SHOWS STORE VISIBILITY APPLYING TO.
THIS SUBSECTION, EXCEPT IN THE CASE OF A SMALL BOX DISCOUNT STORE BEING EXEMPT.
SO YOU ARE EXEMPTING CVS AND WALGREENS FROM THE VISIBILITY REQUIREMENT? YES, SIR. THAT IS CORRECT. AND THAT'S YOUR INTENT? YES, SIR. THAT IS THE INTENT. SO WHAT'S LEFT THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THIS REQUIREMENT.
WELL, WITH REGARDS TO THE SMALL BOX DISCOUNT STORES, WHAT WOULD REMAIN WOULD BE THE REQUESTED SURVEILLANCE REQUIREMENTS IN ADDITION TO. THEIR OTHER SAFETY PROVISIONS, HEIGHT MARKERS, AND SO ON.
ALL OF THOSE OTHER IMPLEMENTS OR ELEMENTS OF CHAPTER 12 B WOULD REMAIN IN FULL FORCE.
AGAIN, MY MY QUESTION PERHAPS IT WASN'T CLEAR, BUT MY QUESTION WAS WHAT TYPES OF STORES WOULD STILL BE SUBJECT TO THE VISIBILITY REQUIREMENT ONCE YOU EXEMPT OUT SMALL BOX DISCOUNT STORES? THANK YOU. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I UNDERSTAND THAT ALL OF THE CONVENIENCE STORES, WITH EXCEPTION OF THESE DEFINED AS SMALL BOX DISCOUNT STORES, THEY WOULD ALL STILL BE PRIVY OR. WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
CAN YOU GIVE SOME EXAMPLES OF SUCH STORES? CERTAINLY.
WELL, WE. YOUR 7-ELEVEN, YOUR RACETRACKS. AND THEN THERE ARE SOME OTHER NONDESCRIPT, YOU KNOW, CONVENIENCE STORES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 149 CONVENIENCE STORES APPROXIMATELY ALTOGETHER.
THAT WOULD NOT FALL INTO THE DEFINITION OF SMALL BOX DISCOUNT STORE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THAT'S CORRECT. THAT LIST OF SMALL BOX DISCOUNT STORES AMOUNTS TO APPROXIMATELY 100 SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT NUMBER. SO IT'S A, QUITE HONESTLY A RELATIVELY SMALL NUMBER.
SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE ALL OF THE PHARMACY STORES.
THERE ARE ONLY 100 IN DALLAS. WELL THERE ARE MORE THAN THAT, BUT THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 100 THAT ARE REGISTERED. THERE ARE SOME THAT DON'T EVEN MEET THE DEFINITION OF A CONVENIENCE STORE BECAUSE THEY EXCEED THE 10,000 FOOT THRESHOLD.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THERE ARE ONLY 100 APPROXIMATELY PHARMACY TYPE STORES THAT.
DO NOT EXCEED NOW 15,000FT². AND THAT'S THE TYPE OF STORE THAT WOULD STILL BE SUBJECT TO THE CURRENT REQUIREMENTS ON VISIBILITY.
SO THE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS AGAIN REMAIN IN IN, IN FORCE.
GRANTED THIS COUNCIL YOU KNOW, VOTES IN FAVOR OF THIS ORDINANCE.
SO THE YOUR PURPOSE HERE IS TO MAINTAIN THE VISIBILITY SAFETY REQUIREMENTS FOR TRADITIONAL SEA STORES, BUT NOT FOR PHARMACY TYPE STORES. THAT IS THAT IS PARTIALLY CORRECT.
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BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT I STRESS THAT THESE STORES THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, THE OUTLIERS THAT ARE THAT WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO DEFINE AS SMALL BOX DISCOUNT STORES, THEY WILL STILL BE BEHOLDEN TO THOSE SAME SAFETY REQUIREMENTS, WITH THE EXCEPTION ONLY OF THE WINDOW AND DOOR VISIBILITY REQUIREMENT.OKAY, NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT 12 B 23. THE CAMERA REQUIREMENT.
THESE REGULATIONS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING ARE CONTRADICTORY.
ON SLIDE 14 IT SAYS ONE CAMERA MUST BE POSITIONED AT THE CASH REGISTER TO INCLUDE ANY AUTOMATED TELLER MACHINES IF ONE IS PRESENT. BUT ON SLIDE 15, THE CAMERA IS REQUIRED AT THE ATM ONLY.
IF THE ATM IS LOCATED LESS THAN 12FT FROM THE GLASS WINDOWS OR DOORS, ISN'T THAT CONTRADICTORY? THE INTENT HERE IS, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION.
CURRENTLY, THE SURVEILLANCE CAMERA REQUIREMENT IS ACTUALLY THREE, AND I THINK YOU ENUMERATED AS SUCH REQUIRED OBVIOUSLY TO COVER ALL TRANSACTION AREAS AS WELL AS INCOMING AND OUTGOING TRAFFIC AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE AND EXIT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A REQUIREMENT OF THREE. THE ATM REQUIREMENT, ON THE OTHER HAND, IS AN ADDITIONAL CAMERA FOR ANYONE WHO ELECTS TO INSTALL A CAMERA THAT IS NOT BEYOND 12FT FROM WINDOWS AND DOORS.
CATEGORICAL MANDATORY REQUIREMENTS. AND ON SLIDE 15.
YOU SEE THE CONTRADICTION THERE? ARE THEY REQUIRED OR AREN'T THEY? YES, SIR. CURRENTLY AGAIN, IF THE ATM AUTOMATED MACHINE TELLER MACHINE IS PLACED BEYOND 12 FOOT ANCHORED TO THE FLOOR, NO CAMERA IS REQUIRED.
THIS NEW PROVISION ALLOWS SOME RETAIL SPACES WHO MAY NOT HAVE THAT AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE, RETAIL FLOOR SPACE TO EVEN MEET THE PROVISION TO BEGIN WITH, BUT WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE THIS SERVICE TO THEIR CUSTOMER BASE.
WELL, I'M OUT OF TIME. THANK YOU MAYOR. MR. ROTH, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.
I'M SORRY. I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE.
AND PLEASE, IT'S MY FAILURE OF UNDERSTANDING.
IT'S NOT YOUR FAILURE OF COMMUNICATING CONVENIENCE STORES.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A 2500, 3000 SQUARE FOOT STORE TYPICALLY, RIGHT? OKAY. SO YOU'RE REQUIRING THEM TO HAVE WINDOWS THAT ARE AT A CERTAIN HEIGHT, 3FT TO 6FT.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE WINDOWS. DOES IT SAY HOW MANY WINDOWS THEY HAVE TO HAVE? THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT SPECIFY THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE WINDOWS PER SE.
BUT IF THEY DO HAVE WINDOWS NOW, THAT'S GOING TO BE DETERMINED DURING OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THE BUILD OUT AND PLAN REVIEW AND ALL OF THAT TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, THE WINDOWS REQUIREMENTS AND WHATNOT.
HOWEVER, FOR A CONVENIENCE STORE THAT DOES HAVE WINDOWS, THE WINDOWS AND DOORS MUST REMAIN UNOBSTRUCTED FROM THREE FEET, THREE FEET UP TO SIX FEET ABOVE GRADE THROUGHOUT.
AND, AND WE SHOULD HAVE VISIBILITY FROM THOSE AREAS TO THE OUTSIDE AND VICE VERSA.
OKAY. NO CONVENIENCE STORE HAS THAT KIND OF A PROTECTION RIGHT NOW.
EVERY CONVENIENCE STORE THAT I KNOW HAS STUFF ON THE WINDOWS.
THEY HAVE STUFF ON THE DOORS. THAT'S HOW THEY OPERATE, ITS ADVERTISING AND ITS VISIBILITY.
AND IT MAY ALSO BE PROTECTION. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE REQUIRING CONVENIENCE STORES TO HAVE VISIBILITY TO, TO A CASH REGISTER THAT IS SOMETIMES NOW THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STORES.
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO DO THAT. I THINK YOU'RE I THINK THIS IS A BAD.
DESCRIPTION. IT'S A BAD DESIGN IN THE WORDING THAT YOU'RE ALL TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
SO THAT'S YOU'RE ASKING FOR THAT TO BE, FIRST OF ALL, EVERY STORE HAS TO HAVE A VISIBLE SIGHT LINE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES, SIR. AND THAT THAT'S THAT'S EXISTING.
WE'RE NOT ASKING TO ADD THAT. OKAY. WELL, IT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.
IT'S IT'S NOT GOOD. WE NEED TO CHANGE IT. IT'S NOT RIGHT.
AND THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT IF IF IT SEEMS THAT IT INDICATES THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE WINDOWS,
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A LOT OF FREE STANDING BUILDINGS DON'T WANT TO HAVE WINDOWS, ESPECIALLY IN HIGH CRIME AREAS OR TOUGH AREAS OF TOWN, AND THEY WANT TO HAVE THE BUILDINGS TO BE PROTECTED.SO I THINK WE'RE MAKING IT DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO DO BUSINESS IN, IN COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY WHERE WE DO HAVE TROUBLE AREAS BECAUSE WE'RE FORCING THEM TO PUT IN WINDOWS. AND IF THEY HAVE WINDOWS, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IN BARS AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE OTHER KIND OF OF RESTRICTIVE THINGS SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T BREAK IN.
SO WE GOT TO THINK THIS THROUGH BETTER BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THOUSANDS OF CONVENIENCE STORES, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MORE THAN JUST 100 BOX STORES.
THERE'S A LOT MORE OF THOSE THAN YOUR, THAN YOUR NOTIFYING.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND. SO ANYTHING UNDER 10,000FT IS, IS CONSIDERED A CONVENIENCE STORE.
THAT'S THAT'S TYPICAL. YES. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY.
WHY, WHAT IS THE, WHY IS GAS A REQUIREMENT IN THIS SITUATION OR NOT A REQUIREMENT IN DEFINING WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE? WELL, THE DEFINITION DENOTES THAT GAS IS NOT SINGULARLY A SINGULAR REQUIREMENT.
IT SAYS GAS OR WITHOUT GAS. SO IN THE BOX STORE DEFINITION IT SAYS IT DOES NOT HAVE GAS.
THEY ARE GOING TO START DOING IT. THEY ARE DOING IT.
SOME OF THEM DO DO IT. I KNOW IT, I OWN SOME OF THEM.
MY QUESTION IS, WHY IS GAS A REQUIREMENT OR A OR A DEFINITIONAL REQUIREMENT IN ELIMINATING THE THE THE EXCLUSION OF THESE. I WILL SAY THAT THIS DEFINITION, OBVIOUSLY, LIKE THE DALLAS CITY CODE IN GENERAL, IT MAY BE SUBJECT TO CHANGE.
IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT. THIS IS JUST THE DEFINITION.
IN OUR CONVENTIONAL WISDOM THAT WE LANDED ON AT THIS TIME.
IT SHOULD SAY SMALL BOX STORE. THE DEFINITION SAYS IT'S LESS THAN 15,000FT² OF FLOOR SPACE.
OR DOES IT SAY RETAIL SPACE? WHAT IS YOUR NEW DEFINITION? BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE NEW WHAT YOUR REVISIONS.
IT IS DEFINITIVELY RETAIL FLOOR. IT'S ONLY RETAIL.
YES. DOES NOT INCLUDE THE BACK OF THE STORE RECEIVING AREAS ETC..
OKAY, SO THOSE ARE EXCLUDED FROM THE 15,000FT².
THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. ONLY THE RETAIL FLOORS.
I'M SORRY, ONLY THE RETAIL FLOOR SPACE IS FACTORED INTO THIS EQUATION.
OKAY. AND TELL ME ABOUT THE FOOD PERMIT AGAIN.
WHAT WHAT IS THE DEFINITION ON THAT? THE OBJECTIVE OF THE WE LANDED ON THE RISK LEVEL TWO PERMIT, BECAUSE WE DID OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND ALL OF THE STORES IN QUESTION THAT THAT WOULD THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THIS DEFINITION OF A SMALL BOX DISCOUNT STORE.
THEY CURRENTLY HOLD A RISK LEVEL ONE PERMIT. THEY CURRENTLY HOLD A RISK LEVEL ONE PERMIT.
AND SO IS HER RISK LEVEL ONE PERMIT. PLEASE EXPLAIN.
RISK LEVEL ONE MEANS THAT THERE'S NO HOT HOLDING.
THERE'S NO FOOD HANDLING. BY AND LARGE THEY GENERALLY MERCHANDISE, PREPACKAGED FOODS.
OKAY, SO IF A 7-ELEVEN OR, OR A, OR A STORE HAS A, HAS A FOOD WHERE IF THEY'RE SELLING CHICKEN, IF THEY'RE SELLING TACOS, IF THEY'RE SELLING A BURRITOS, IF THEY'RE MAKING FOOD THERE, THEY'VE GOT SOME KIND OF A FOOD THERE WHERE IT'S HOT FOOD.
IS THAT, IS THAT, IS THAT A ONE OR A OR A TWO PER? THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE A TWO. AND AND ALSO THE DEFINITION OF A TWO WITH YOU.
IT MEANS AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT HAS A LIMITED MENU SELECTION SERVES ONLY COMMERCIALLY PROCESSED TIME AND TEMPERATURE CONTROLLED FOODS, HEATS AND SERVES FOOD ITEMS WITH NO COOKING OR REHEATING PROCESS OR HAS MINIMAL HEAT HOLDING THE RISK LEVEL ONE, ON THE OTHER HAND, THAT COMPRISES MOST, IF NOT ALL OF THE SMALL BOX DISCOUNT STORES HAVE RISK LEVEL ONE ESTABLISHMENT
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PERMITS, AND THOSE ARE WITH NO COOKING PROCESSES OF ANY KIND NO HEAT HOLDING, NO OPEN EXPOSED FOOD HANDLING, INCLUDING HANDLING MIXED DRINKS OR ONLY HOLDS REFRIGERATED AND FROZEN FOODS PACKAGED FROM THE MANUFACTURER.IT WOULD BE BASED ON THE MERITS OF THE OPERATION.
OKAY. THE PERMIT HELD ON YOUR STATISTICS FOR THE CRIME YOUR, THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE SHOWING OF ROBBERIES IS THE CRIME THAT YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE 11 VERSUS OR THE SIX ARE THOSE ACTUAL ROBBERIES AND THE REST OF THEM ARE SHOPLIFTING TYPE OF CRIMES OR OTHER OTHER CRIMES THAT ARE NOT RELATED TO SHOPLIFTING.
YES, SIR. GOOD QUESTION. AND I'LL, I'LL CLARIFY THAT FOR YOU. SO IT WAS ASKED LAST TIME DISCUSSING IF WE CHANGE SOME OF THOSE VISIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SMALL BOX STORE, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF CRIME.
AND SO WE BROKE OUT THE DATA. SO LAST YEAR IN 2025, THERE WERE 461 BUSINESS ROBBERIES.
BY THE DEFINITION THAT WAS CREATED, 82 OF THOSE WOULD HAVE FIT THE DEFINITION OF A SMALL BOX STORE.
AND OUT OF THOSE 82 ROBBERIES, 11 OF THOSE WERE ACTUAL ROBBERIES.
THE OTHER, I'D HAVE TO DO THE MATH REAL QUICK, BUT THE OTHERS WERE SHOPLIFT.
THAT TURNED INTO A ROBBERY THAT I GIVE YOU A CLARIFICATION.
OKAY, SO IT'S ABOUT MAYBE 8%, 5 TO 8% OF THE OF THE ACTIVITIES ARE CONSIDERED ROBBERIES.
THE OTHERS ARE SHOPLIFTING AND AND OTHER KIND OF THINGS.
YES, SIR. I BELIEVE IT ENDED UP BEING ABOUT 1,113% IN BETWEEN.
OKAY. SO IT'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT. I'LL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS LATER.
THANK YOU. MISS MENDELSOHN, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.
THANK YOU. WHEN WAS THIS ITEM PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED AT COUNCIL.
I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE QUESTIONS BROUGHT UP AT PUBLIC SAFETY IN JUNE.
SO SINCE THEN YOU'VE HAD TIME TO HAVE. I'M SORRY.
AND ALSO AT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN.
THIS ITEM WENT TO PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE AND ALSO TO QUALITY OF LIFE, ARTS AND CULTURE COMMITTEE.
SO IT'S BEEN THE TWO COMMITTEES ALREADY. WE RECEIVED FEEDBACK AT BOTH.
IT WAS ASKED TO COME TO FULL COUNCIL TO TO BE BRIEFED.
SO DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE HAD TIME TO THOROUGHLY CONSIDER EVERYTHING? SO LET ME TRY TO QUICKLY JUST EXPLAIN THIS SIMPLY AND PLAINLY.
AND JUST ADD A LITTLE CONTEXT. THIS IS A DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT ORDINANCE.
THE CONVENIENCE STORE ORDINANCE CO COMPLIANCE SUPPORTS THEM WITH ENFORCEMENT IN THE FIELD FOR THE LESS CRITICAL CONVENIENCE STORES THAT DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CRIME, DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY CODE COMPLIANCE WILL HANDLE THOSE REGISTRATIONS AND INSPECTIONS AND ENFORCEMENT FOR THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND SO WHAT WE FOUND OUT IN THE COMMUNITY WHILE ENFORCING THE PORTION OF THIS ORDINANCE THAT WE ENFORCE, IS THAT SOME OF THESE SMALL BOX RETAILERS, I'M WE'RE NOT MARRIED TO DISCOUNT STORE, NO DISCOUNT STORE.
THAT DOESN'T MATTER. WE CAN CALL IT WHATEVER WE WANT TO CALL IT IN THE ORDINANCE.
BUT THESE SMALL BOX STORES WERE HAVING CHALLENGES COMPLYING WITH THE VISIBILITY REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE THE WAY THEIR STORES ARE DESIGNED, THE WAY THEY MARKET THEIR BUSINESSES, THE WAY THEY SET UP THEIR THEIR CASHIERS, THEIR FLOOR PLANS, THEY CANNOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. SO BASICALLY, CODE COMPLIANCE WOULD END UP ENFORCING THOSE BUSINESSES OUT OF BUSINESS.
AND, AND THEY'VE TOLD US AS MUCH. AND SO THE EXEMPTION OF THE VISIBILITY REQUIREMENT ONLY FOR THOSE BUSINESS TYPES IS SO THAT THEY CAN REMAIN TO OPERATE AS THEY'VE ALWAYS OPERATE, OPERATED IN OUR CITY AND STILL BE MANDATED BY THE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE.
SECONDLY, THE ATM REQUIREMENT, IT'S NOW REQUIRED THAT THE ATM HAS TO BE PLACED WITHIN 1212FT AWAY FROM ANY WINDOWS OR DOORS. WHAT WE FOUND AND BE NAILED TO THE FLOOR WITH WITH OR WITHOUT A CAMERA, I'M NOT 100% SURE.
WITH THAT REQUIREMENT, WITH SOME OF OUR SMALLER CONVENIENCE STORES THAT WANT TO OFFER ATM SERVICES STILL THEY ARE UNABLE TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PUT THE ATM FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE DOORS AND GLASS TO, TO DO SO.
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THEY'RE PULLING THEM THROUGH THE ENTIRE STORE WITH CLERKS IN THE STORES, PUTTING THOSE EMPLOYEES AT RISK, AND ALSO TEARING UP THE WHOLE STORE IN THE PROCESS.AND SO INSTEAD OF LEAVING THAT AS A REQUIREMENT, WHAT WE'RE SAYING NOW IS IF YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THAT, YOU CAN STILL DO THAT. BUT IF YOU HAVE A SMALLER STORE AND YOU WANT TO PLACE THAT ATM CLOSER TO THE DOOR OR NEAR GLASS, THAT'S FINE, BUT YOU NEED TO TRAIN A CAMERA ON IT.
SO THE QUESTION WAS, IF YOU HAD ENOUGH TIME TO HAVE THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION OF THIS CHANGE.
YES, MA'AM. AND DPD, YOU FEEL THE SAME? YES, MA'AM.
THIS IS JUST ABOUT THIS PRESENTATION AND THE DOCUMENTS AND WHAT YOUR SUGGESTIONS ARE.
YOU THINK YOU'VE HAD THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION OF ALL ASPECTS OF THIS? YES, MA'AM. AND HOW ABOUT YOU, CITY ATTORNEY? WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM, AND I THINK WE ARE AT A WE'RE AT A GOOD PLACE.
SO YOU FEEL YOU HAVE HAD SUFFICIENT TIME FOR THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION OF THIS.
A CONVENIENCE STORE AND A SMALL BOX STORE IS THAT ONE SELLS GAS.
NO, MA'AM. SO A SMALL BOX STORE, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD BE LIKE YOUR DOLLAR TREE, YOUR FAMILY DOLLAR, YOUR CVS, YOUR. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT AN EXAMPLE.
I'M SAYING, WHAT'S YOUR DEFINITIONAL DIFFERENCE? WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF CONVENIENCE STORE AND SMALL BOX STORE? WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENCES. THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE IS THERE'S A LESS THAN 10,000 SQUARE FOOT REQUIREMENT FOR CONVENIENCE STORES. THEY BOTH SELL GENERALLY THE SAME TYPE OF GOODS BY AND LARGE.
AND THEN THE SMALL BOX DISCOUNT STORE ON THE OTHER HAND, WOULD BE LESS THAN 15,000 SQUARE FOOT OF RETAIL FLOOR SPACE AND AGAIN, DOES NOT OPERATE UNDER A RISK LEVEL TWO HEALTH PERMIT.
THOSE ARE PRINCIPALLY THE. THE MAIN DIFFERENCES.
SO A BUCKY'S THAT DIDN'T SELL GAS WOULD BE A CONVENIENCE STORE OR A SMALL BOX STORE.
BUCKY'S WOULD TECHNICALLY BE A CONVENIENCE STORE.
WHY. THE. BY THIS DEFINITION, BUCKY'S COULD THEORETICALLY FALL UNDER THIS DEFINITION. IT WOULD BE A SMALL BOX, RIGHT? IT COULD, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE MORE THAN 15,000FT² IF THEY DIDN'T SELL GAS.
I SAID IT DIDN'T SELL GAS. OKAY. SO GASOLINE AND SQUARE FOOTAGE SEEMS TO BE THE DIFFERENTIATION.
IS THAT CORRECT? AND THE RISK CATEGORY TWO FOOD PERMIT.
THAT'S NOT IN THE DEFINITION, IS IT? YES. IT'S IN THE AMENDED THE UPDATED AMENDMENT DEFINITION.
DID WE RECEIVE THAT? IT SAYS DOES NOT OPERATE UNDER A FOOD ESTABLISHMENT PERMIT.
YES, MA'AM. THAT WAS AMENDED. AND WHAT IS A RISK LEVEL TO PERMIT RISK LEVEL TWO? PERMIT. AGAIN, WE HAVE THREE CATEGORIES OF PERMITS THAT THE CONSUMER HEALTH TEAM ISSUES TO ALL FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
RISK LEVEL TWO MEANS AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT HAS LIMITED MENU SELECTION SERVES ONLY COMMERCIALLY PROCESSED TIME AND TEMPERATURE CONTROLLED FOODS HEAT AND SERVES THOSE FOOD ITEMS WITH NO COOKING OR REHEATING PROCESS.
AND MAY HAVE MINIMAL HEAT HOLDING AND HAVE MINIMAL HEAT HOLDING.
THAT MEANS HOLDING THOSE ITEMS AT 135°F AND COUNCIL MEMBER.
THE REASON FOR THAT IS IF YOU'RE PREPARING HOT FOOD AND YOU'RE.
YOU HAVE REAL FOOD PREPARATION OPERATIONS GOING ON.
YOU'RE SELLING A LOT OF FOOD AND TEMPERATURE CONTROL FOR SAFETY FOODS.
WE WANT YOU TO STILL BE UNDER THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
AND SO WE INCLUDED THAT PIECE IN THE SMALL BOX DEFINITION.
AGAIN, TO JUST EXEMPT OUT THOSE SPECIFIC STORE TYPES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, BUT TO LEAVE IN THE ONES THAT ARE OPERATING UNDER THAT MORE SAFETY PRONE FOOD HEALTH PERMIT. OKAY. WELL, I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH THE TWO PRIOR SPEAKERS SAYING THAT THE WORD DISCOUNT SHOULDN'T BE IN HERE, SMALL BOX STORE, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK CVS IS A DISCOUNT STORE.
AND WE'RE HAPPY TO MAKE THAT CHANGE. THIS IDEA OF THE ATM, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE BRINGING UP, WE HAD A HUGE WAVE OF CRIMES WHERE PEOPLE WOULD PUT A CHAIN AROUND ATM, DRAG IT OUT THROUGH THE FRONT.
SO WE THOUGHT WE WERE SMART SAYING, PUT IT IN THE BACK.
AND NOW YOU'RE SAYING THEY'RE JUST PULLING IT OUT OF THE BACK? YES, MA'AM. THE ISSUE IS THE CRIME,
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NOT NECESSARILY THE LOCATION. AND THAT'S WHAT THE VIDEO SHOWS AS WELL.THAT WAS UNABLE TO PLAY. IT ACTUALLY SHOWS AN ATM BEING PULLED FROM THE BACK OF A STORE WITH A CLERK INSIDE, AND BASICALLY TEARING UP THE ENTIRE STORE ON THE WAY OUT THE DOOR.
OKAY, WELL, THE SAME THING WAS HAPPENING GOING OUT THE FRONT DOOR. AND I MEAN, EITHER WAY, IT'S A LOT OF DAMAGE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE AT RISK.
I THINK MOST OF THESE WERE NOT HAPPENING WHILE THE STORES WERE OPEN, BUT AT LEAST FROM LONG AGO.
I'M FINE WITH THAT. THE THING THAT I REALLY DO TAKE SOME CONCERN WITH IS ABOUT BLOCKING THAT VISIBILITY OF THE DOOR. AND I DON'T, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO GO IN A STORE WHERE I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING GOING ON.
AND THE REALITY IS WHETHER YOU CALL IT A SMALL BOX STORE OR A CONVENIENCE STORE, IT'S OUR SECOND MOST CRIME RIDDEN LOCATION, ONE BEING APARTMENTS, TWO BEING CONVENIENCE STORES.
AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT. AND I THINK ANYBODY I'M JUST GOING TO SAY AS A WOMAN, WHEN I WALK IN A STORE LIKE THAT, I AM LOOKING AROUND AND I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING.
AND SO JUST BECAUSE THEY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT CIGARETTES OR SOMETHING ELSE IN FRONT OF YOU, WE'RE ALREADY A CAPTIVE CUSTOMER. WE'RE ALREADY COMING IN AND OUR SAFETY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THEIR SALES.
SO I THINK BLOCKING THAT VIEW, AND I'M NOT EVEN JUST SAYING THIS, I THINK EVERY STORE WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE IN, AND THAT MAY BE HELPFUL IN US IN REDUCING CRIME.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU ABOUT THE DATA YOU PRESENTED.
IN THE SLIDE SEVEN, YOU'VE GOT 82 CRIMES FOR BUSINESS ROBBERY THAT WERE IMPACTING THE SMALL BOX STORES AND YOU'VE GOT 379. THIS IS FROM 2025 THAT WERE OTHER KINDS OF BUSINESSES.
NOW, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU THINK THERE'S 100 STORES THAT ARE SMALL BOX.
IS THAT RIGHT? APPROXIMATELY 100 THAT ARE REGISTERED WITH US.
THERE ARE QUITE MORE THAN THAT, TO BE HONEST.
OKAY. SO THERE'S 100 AND YOU HAD 82 CRIMES IN A YEAR.
BUT I WOULD BET YOU THAT 379 CRIMES. I MEAN, YOU PROBABLY HAVE MORE THAN 500 OTHER BUSINESSES. I MEAN, THIS IS EVERY OTHER KIND OF BUSINESS ROBBERY, RIGHT? THERE'S THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF BUSINESSES THAT WOULD FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY.
RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER. BUT YES, THE FOR 2025, THE NUMBER OF BUSINESS ROBBERIES ARE REPORTED WITH OUR REPORT WERE 461, SO WE'LL JUST SAY THAT IN A CITY OF 1.3 OR 4 MILLION PEOPLE, THAT WE HAVE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF BUSINESSES.
THIS IS PROBABLY A MUCH LOWER PERCENTAGE THAN THE SMALL BOX STORE.
AND WHAT IS THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE THAT YOU COULD REMOVE FROM THAT NUMBER OF SHOPLIFTING? YOU REMOVED IT FROM THE OTHER ONE. BUT WHAT'S THE IF YOU REMOVED IT FROM THE 379.
I DIDN'T PULL THOSE NUMBERS, BUT I CAN GET THOSE FOR YOU. WE WERE JUST FOCUSING ON WHAT WE DEFINED AS SMALL BOX STORE BASED ON A QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED IN JUNE. WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY, I MEAN, ON THE CRIME APP, I SEE TARGET COME UP ALL THE TIME FOR SHOPLIFTING MARSHALLS, TJ MAXX. I MEAN, THIS IS HAPPENING ALL OVER. AND SO WHAT IF THAT NUMBER IS EVEN LOWER.
CHAIRMAN MORENO, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.
THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU ALL FOR THE PRESENTATION.
THIS ITEM HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO US A NUMBER OF TIMES.
FIRST QUESTION, ARE OUR SMALL BOX STORES PREVENTED FROM AFFIXING ADVERTISEMENT ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE NOT WINDOWS? SO ARE THEY ABLE TO ATTACH AN ADVERTISEMENT ON A WALL? THOSE SIGNS WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE SIGN RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE CODE AS WELL.
AND SO IT'LL JUST BE BASED ON THE SIZE, WHAT'S WHAT'S DISPLAYED ON WHAT'S DISPLAYED ON THEM.
IT WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE CURRENT ZONING CODE.
OKAY, SO I KNOW THOSE, THOSE SIGNS ARE OUT THERE.
WHEN THERE'S LIMITED WINDOW SPACE, WHETHER IT'S AT A DRIVE THRU AT A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT, WHETHER IT'S AT A CONVENIENCE STORE, THOSE SIGNS ARE ON THE WALL, AND THOSE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WILL STILL THAT ARE AVAILABLE TODAY AND WILL REMAIN AVAILABLE INTO THE FUTURE. AND SO RATHER THAN, THAN GOING BACK AND FORTH YOU KNOW,
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I KNOW THAT I HAD PULLED THIS ITEM FOR THE REASON OF, OF SECURITY, MAKING SURE THAT THERE WAS VISIBILITY.AND SO I DON'T FIND A REASON THAT SUPPORTS PROVIDING AN EXEMPTION TO THE SMALL BOX STORES.
AND I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. THANK YOU. YEAH.
THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS. COUNCIL MEMBER. I MEAN, THAT'S THE CRUX OF THE ISSUE AND WHY WE'RE HERE. AND SO WE'RE NOT MARRIED TO THE AMENDMENT. WE'RE NOT MARRIED TO THE CHANGES. I THINK IT WAS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO BRING YOU, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WERE HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY AND FROM BUSINESS OWNERS AND STAKEHOLDERS AND ALLOW YOU GUYS TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT IT.
AND AND WE LISTENED FROM THE QUALITY OF LIFE PERSPECTIVE OF MAKING SURE AND UNDERSTANDING THE INTENT BEHIND THE CHANGES, WHICH IS ULTIMATELY PUBLIC SAFETY. AND I THINK IT CAME TO PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE DISTINGUISHED, THE DISTINGUISHED.
SO AGAIN, I THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THANK YOU TO PUBLIC SAFETY FOR BEING ABLE TO HELP US MAKE SURE AND UNDERSTAND THAT MAYBE ONE SIZE FITS ALL, ONE SIZE DOESN'T FIT ALL. IN THIS CASE, MY QUESTIONS ARE REALLY JUST TO UNDERSTAND, GET A BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, CLASSIFY THESE THINGS. AND I THINK ONE IS REALLY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE STORE TYPES AND MY QUESTIONS THERE.
AND I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE. ANYTHING THAT ENDS IN A MART, RIGHT? WHETHER IT'S SELLING GAS OR NOT. SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO CALL IT A MARK.
OH, MARK, MARTUJ MARK K MARK. WELL, I'M SORRY, BUT, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THOSE MARKS THAT THAT POP UP RIGHT THERE ON MOST OF OUR DISTRICTS, THOSE THAT DON'T SELL GAS, HOW WOULD THAT APPLY TO THIS? OR HOW WOULD THOSE HOW WOULD THIS BE APPLIED? SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I NEED TO RECESS FOR FIVE MINUTES WHILE WE DEAL WITH THE TECHNICAL ISSUE.
SO WE'LL STAND IN RECESS UNTIL 1111. I'M 1110.
SORRY. OKAY. I'M TOLD WE ARE ROLLING. SO WE'RE BACK FROM RECESS, AND WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE BRIEFING WE WERE IN, WHICH IS ON ITEM A.
YES, MR. MAYOR, WE'RE READY. OKAY THEN I SEE.
MR. ROTH AND MISS MILLS. OKAY, SO I SEE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM IS WHO I SEE ON THE.
EXCUSE ME. YOU HAVE YOU HAVE YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, THEN, CHAIRMAN GRACEY.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND REALLY WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THIS WAS JUST TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THIS APPLIES WHEN IT'S ANY, ANY TYPE OF I'M JUST GOING TO USE THE TERM CONVENIENCE STORE, BUT THESE, THESE MARTS THAT WE HAVE OVER THE DISTRICT, SOME OF THEM ARE IN A SHOPPING CENTER, SOME OF THEM ARE STANDALONE, SOME OF THEM HAVE GAS STATIONS, SOME OF THEM DON'T. HOW DOES THIS APPLY TO EACH ONE OF THOSE MARTS, WHETHER IT'S ONE IF IT'S IN A SHOPPING CENTER.
AND THEN TWO, IF IT'S STANDALONE, DOESN'T HAVE A GAS STATION AND THEN STANDALONE AND DOES HAVE A GAS STATION, HOW DOES THIS APPLY TO THOSE THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS? THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION. QUITE HONESTLY, WHETHER THE MART THAT YOU MENTIONED IS FREESTANDING OR, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE SHOPPING CENTER. SHOPPING CENTER THAT THAT'S IRRELEVANT.
WE GO DOWN OUR CHECKLIST TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY MEET THE CRITERIA.
AND THEN THAT DETERMINES WHETHER OR NOT THEY THUSLY HAVE TO BE REGISTERED.
OKAY. PERFECT. YOU CAN STOP RIGHT THERE BECAUSE OTHERWISE I JUST WANT TO I WAS TRYING TO MAKE SURE I GOT DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE ONE, THE LOCATION OF THEM VERSUS THAT. SO THAT IS THE FIRST PIECE.
THEN THE SECOND PIECE IS WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A, A, THIS WAS THE OTHER SCENARIO, LIKE A QUICK TRIP, FOR EXAMPLE, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE THE SIZE OF A THE RETAIL SIZE SPACE, BUT IT HAS THE HOT FOOD AND I GUESS THE LEVEL TWO CRITERIA, WHATEVER YOU SAID, HOW DOES THAT THEN APPLY LIKE A QUICK TRIP OR A RACE TRACK AND ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT ONES.
HOW DOES THAT THEN APPLY? THEY WON'T BE IMPACTED BY THIS.
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THEY WILL MAINTAIN THEIR CURRENT REGISTRATION AND RENEWALS AS THOSE, YOU KNOW, PERIODS.BUT MEANING AS THIS, AS THIS HAS CHANGED NOTHING FOR THEIR WAY OF PRACTICING CHANGES.
NOTHING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN. OH, I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE, THE GAS STATIONS BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE CONVENIENCE STORES THAT WE'RE GETTING THESE, YOU KNOW, THESE NEW BUILDS FOR ARE AUTOMATICALLY COMING WITH THESE KITCHENS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND, AND A GAS STATION SOMETIMES. ON, ON THIS.
THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE THE KITCHEN MOVES STILL MAKES THEM A CONVENIENT OR.
YES. OKAY. THEY WOULD STILL BE A CONVENIENCE STORE.
BECAUSE IF THEY WERE A CONVENIENCE STORE WITHOUT THE KITCHEN AND THEY STILL SOLD, YOU KNOW, CONVENIENCE GOODS THAT MEET THE CRITERIA, THEY WOULD STILL BE DEFINED AS A CONVENIENCE STORE.
THE LAST ONE IS JUST TRYING TO GET A CLARIFICATION.
I THINK YOU SAID IT EARLIER, MR. CHRISTIAN, FOR THE ATM REQUIREMENT, THE ATM, THE CAMERA ON THE ATM MACHINE DOES NOT COUNT, IT HAS TO BE AN ACTUAL CAMERA FACING THE ATM IN ORDER TO BE IN COMPLIANCE.
THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY, IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE WITHIN THE ATM MACHINE.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A CAMERA TRAINED ON THE ATM MACHINE.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY. OKAY. AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION IS JUST AN OVERALL ONE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I HAVE A COUPLE OF THEM IN MY DISTRICT, AND I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THE NAME OF THE BUSINESSES, BUT THOSE BUSINESSES WHO ARE CONSISTENTLY GETTING BROKEN INTO, ROBBED OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
I GUESS I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW HOW LONG, LIKE, AT WHAT POINT DOES THIS BECOME A SAFETY CODE VERSUS A A COMMUNITY PROSECUTION SITUATION? BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS A LOT OF, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE TO KIND OF HELP STORES AND EVERYTHING KIND OF KEEP THEIR BUSINESSES SAFE.
SO CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT FROM A, FROM A DPD, FROM AN EDUCATION PERSPECTIVE, BUT THEN FROM A COMMUNITY PROSECUTION, IF THEY CONSISTENTLY BECOME PROBLEMS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT HAPPENS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT.
AND IT'S A SIDE NOTE, BUT JUST CURIOUS. YES, SIR.
EACH DIVISION HAS ASSIGNED THEY HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD POLICE OFFICERS.
AND SO PART OF THEIR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO GO TO THOSE BUSINESSES AND EDUCATE THEM AND GO THROUGH, GO THROUGH AN EVALUATION, JUST SAYING, HEY, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT, THAT YOU CAN IMPROVE ON.
AND A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES ARE VERY, VERY RECEPTIVE TO IT.
I THINK YOU GUYS ALL REMEMBER AT SOME POINT WE DID A, WE HAD A ROBBERY SYMPOSIUM FOR THE BUSINESSES.
BUT WHEN THE BUSINESSES GET TO A CERTAIN NUMBER OF AVAILABLES, THAT IS WHEN OUR WE HAVE A NUISANCE ABATEMENT TEAM, THAT'S ONE, ONE DETECTIVE PER PER DIVISION AND THEY WORK WITH OUR CRIMINAL PROSECUTION CITY PROSECUTION TEAM.
AND SO FROM A CODE PERSPECTIVE. COUNCIL MEMBER.
OBVIOUSLY DPD WOULD HANDLE THE CRIMINAL COMPONENT AND THE CRIMINAL OFFENSES.
FOR CO COMPLIANCE, WE WOULD BE FOCUSED ON THE MINIMUM PROPERTY STANDARD VIOLATIONS, THE ZONING CODE VIOLATIONS, ANY COMBINATION OF THE TWO. ONCE WE GET TO A CERTAIN CITATION THRESHOLD, WE HAVE THE HABITUAL NUISANCE PROPERTY DESIGNATION THAT'S IN CHAPTER 27 THAT WE COULD USE.
AND THEN OUR TRADITIONAL ESCALATION TO COMMUNITY PROSECUTION.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, I THINK I DO REMEMBER THIS ALL COMING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, QUALITY OF LIFE AND PUBLIC SAFETY TO KIND OF HELP DISTINGUISH, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS CAN BE APPLIED TO THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF STORES.
SO THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARITY. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS GERMANE OR NOT, BUT I WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION.
WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE C STORES.
AND A SMALL BOX. CAN YOU KIND OF DESCRIBE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, PLEASE? YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM JOHNSON. THE SIMPLEST EXPLANATION FOR US, IF WE GO BY THE DEFINITION WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CONVENIENCE STORE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW A STORE THAT IS LESS THAN 10,000FT² AND THAT
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SELLS CONVENIENCE GOODS, WHETHER THEY SELL GASOLINE OR DO NOT SELL GASOLINE, THEY MEET THE DEFINITION OF A CONVENIENCE STORE.WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO DO WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION IS TO BOX OUT SMALL BOX STORES THAT ARE 15,000FT² OR LARGER, THAT DO NOT SELL GAS, BUT ALSO SELL CONVENIENCE GOODS BECAUSE OF THEIR FLOOR DESIGN, THEIR STORE DESIGN, AND THEIR BUSINESS MODEL.
FOR US. WE DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY SHOULD BE REGULATED THE SAME AS TRADITIONAL CONVENIENCE STORES.
OKAY. IF THIS AIN'T THE WAY I NEED TO BE GOING, JUST TELL ME AND WE CAN TALK OFFLINE.
YEAH, FOR SURE, FOR SURE. WHAT ABOUT CONVENIENCE STORES THAT HAVE EXPIRED, FOOD ON THE SHELF OR NO FOOD ON THE SHELF, BUT HAVE GAMBLING THAT'S GAMBLING IN THE BACK? YEAH. AND SO I HAVE A LOT OF THAT IN MY DISTRICT.
SO THOSE ARE STORES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE IN VIOLATION.
IF THERE'S GAMBLING HAPPENING IN THE BACK. OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD HAVE TO PARTNER WITH DPD, INSPECT THOSE LOCATIONS, THE EXPIRED FOODS ON THE SHELF. THAT'S ALSO A CONSUMER PROTECTION VIOLATION.
SO IT'S JUST REPORTING THAT TO US. WE CAN INVESTIGATE THOSE AND LOOK AT IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC LOCATIONS IN YOUR DISTRICT YOU WANT US TO LOOK AT? WE'RE HAPPY TO LOOK AT THOSE. I THINK I HAVE ABOUT 30, I THINK, 30 SOMETHING.
THE FOOD IS BAD. IT'S OUTDATED. IT'S EXPIRED.
THEY'RE GAMBLING IN THE BACK AND THEN THEY HAVE A LOT OF LOITERING UP FRONT.
SO HOW CAN WE, I GUESS DIFFERENTIATE THAT. AND THEN HOW DO WE ALSO CLEAN THAT UP? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY WE CANNOT GET A QUALITY GROCERY STORE IN OUR COMMUNITY, PARTICULARLY THE DISTRICT FOUR. BUT THE SOUTHERN SECTOR AS A WHOLE, IN CERTAIN IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE SOUTHERN DALLAS, NOT ALL BECAUSE OF THOSE ISSUES RIGHT THERE. SO HOW CAN WE GET THAT DONE? YEAH, IT'S JUST A COORDINATED APPROACH BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, CODE COMPLIANCE, THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO, TO WORK ON THOSE SPECIFIC LOCATIONS.
OBVIOUSLY, THE CASES WOULD START WITH US AND WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK UP A CASE THAT WE COULD THEN POSSIBLY PRESENT TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR FURTHER ESCALATION IF WE'RE UNABLE TO ACHIEVE COMPLIANCE. BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO LOOK AT THOSE LOCATIONS.
YOU CAN SEND ME THE ADDRESSES. WE CAN START WORKING ON THOSE.
I'LL START WORKING WITH MY TEAM AND THEN WE'LL LOOP IN D, P, D AS NECESSARY.
DO IT, DO IT. NEED TO BE A S R FROM MY OFFICE? NO, YOU CAN JUST SEND ME THE ADDRESSES. I'LL. I'LL CREATE THIS.
OKAY. I HAVE I HAVE MY DISTRICT DIRECTOR SEND IT TO YOU TODAY.
NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YEAH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MR. BLACKMON RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.
THANK YOU. AND OKAY, SO I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.
AND SO I HOPE IF YOU'VE EXPLAINED IT, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF WENT ON BREAK.
WE DID NOT KNOW, NOT YOU, BUT THE CITY DID. YES, THE CITY DID.
OKAY. AND SINCE THEN, IT'S 20 YEARS. FAST FORWARD AND WE ARE SEEING NOW A DIFFERENT TYPE OF STORE EMERGE THAT DOESN'T REALLY FIT IN A BIG BOX NOR, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF AND A TRADITIONAL AND THE TRADITIONAL CONVENIENCE STORE FOOTPRINT.
THAT'S CORRECT. AND SO WHAT ARE YOU IF YOU COULD IN ONE SENTENCE, TELL ME, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO ACHIEVE WITH THIS ORDINANCE? WHAT ARE WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO ACHIEVE? YEAH.
THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. COUNCILWOMAN. BLACKMON. I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IS.
ALLOWING OUR STAKEHOLDERS TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE HEARD THEM BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD FROM THESE SMALL BOX STORE BUSINESSES, CVS, WALGREENS, FAMILY DOLLAR, DOLLAR GENERAL, DOLLAR TREE THAT COMING INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THIS ORDINANCE WOULD CREATE SUCH A FINANCIAL BURDEN FOR THEM THAT THEY WOULD BEGIN LOOKING AT RELOCATING STORES OUT OF DALLAS AND NOT TRYING TO REDESIGN FOOTPRINTS, STORE DESIGNS, SPENDING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO TO REDESIGN THESE STORES TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS ORDINANCE.
THEY WOULD JUST BEGIN CLOSING STORES AND RELOCATING STORES.
AND SO FOR US THAT'S A, THAT'S A TAX REVENUE LOSS TO THE CITY.
AND THEN IN SOME OF OUR, OUR DISTRICTS WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE GROCERY STORES, THESE DOLLAR TREES, FAMILY DOLLARS DOLLAR GENERALS SERVE AS THE GROCERY STORES FOR THOSE COMMUNITIES AND SOME FOOD DESERTS.
AND SO IF THOSE STORES START TO CLOSE AND RELOCATE BECAUSE OF A VISIBILITY REQUIREMENT AND AN ORDINANCE, THEN WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS SOMETHING WE NEEDED TO BRING BEFORE THIS COUNCIL AND TO ALLOW YOU ALL TO MAKE A DECISION ON.
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WHILE MAINTAINING ALL OF THE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST IN THE CODE, AND THEN MAKING A SMALL MODIFICATION TO THE ATM REQUIREMENTS.SO THOSE STORES ARE ABLE TO ACTUALLY PUT THOSE IN THEIR BUSINESSES AS WELL.
AND WE STILL HAVE THE SECURITY AND SAFETY PROTOCOLS THAT WE NEED.
SO WHEN YOU SAID HERD THEM. SO THEY'VE REACHED OUT AND SAID.
OR IS IT WHEN YOU'RE DOING YOUR INSPECTIONS, OR HOW DID YOU CREATE THAT ABILITY TO GET THAT EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION? YEAH, SURE. SO SO THEIR C-SUITE EXECUTIVES AND THEIR ATTORNEYS FLEW TO OUR OFFICES AND SCHEDULED A MEETING WITH US.
AND WE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH THEM AND THEY SAID, WE CANNOT OR WE WILL NOT, BECAUSE I MEAN, THESE THE REASON WHY THEY CAN THEIR FOOTPRINT IS THE SAME, WHICH IF WHATEVER CITY YOU GO TO OR WHICHEVER STORE.
AND TO CHANGE IT AND TO MODIFY IT TO WHAT WE'RE DEMANDING.
THEY'RE LIKE, WE'LL JUST GO SOMEPLACE ELSE. CORRECT.
WOW. YEAH. AND OKAY. AND SO HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING ON THIS? WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE I WANT TO SAY LATE, LATE 2024 CONVERSATION STARTED.
AND WE'VE BEEN KEEPING IN CLOSE CONTACT WITH THEM AND SO THEY'RE AWARE THAT THIS ITEM HAS BEEN KIND OF MOVING THROUGH OUR COUNCIL PROCESS, AND THEY'RE FOLLOWING IT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT DIRECTION WE'RE GOING TO GO.
OKAY. AND I GUESS THE DISCUSSION AROUND DISCOUNT THAT ADJECTIVE, THAT'S JUST A WORD FOR US.
WE CAN PULL THAT WORD OUT. IT CAN BE JUST SMALL BOX STORE.
OKAY. AND SO ON THE DPD SIDE, WHAT HAS LAID OUT HERE, WILL THAT HELP IN PROTECTING PATRONS, YOU KNOW, STORE WORKERS, THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE? I MEAN, IS WHAT HAS BEEN LAID OUT BEFORE US GOING TO GET THE JOB DONE? IS IT STILL GOING TO MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL OF SECURITY? YES, I BELIEVE SO. YOU CAN LOOK AT ALL THESE STORES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO I DON'T THINK REMOVING OR MODIFYING THE STORE VISIBILITY IS GOING TO CHANGE THE DPD PROCESS.
OKAY. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ALL DID WORK TOGETHER ON ALL THESE, THESE ITEMS. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. AND, AND I MEAN, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON.
I MEAN, I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT, I MEAN, CVS LEFT.
BUT IF. AND SO IF THEY'RE REALLY SAYING THAT WE CAN'T MAINTAIN WITH THE WITH THE ORDINANCE WE HAVE NOW, WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO DO BUSINESS THERE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A I MEAN, THEY'RE LIKE ON EVERY MAJOR CORNER IN DALLAS.
SO I WANT TO CORRECT THE RECORD. IT'S NOT CVS SPECIFICALLY DIDN'T SAY THAT THAT THAT PHRASEOLOGY CAME FROM DOLLAR TREE, FAMILY DOLLAR AND DOLLAR GENERAL. OKAY. SO IT WASN'T CVS, BUT IT WAS THOSE THREE.
WELL, THAT'S I MEAN, THAT'S SIGNIFICANT TOO. OKAY.
THAT WAS ALL SOME CLARIFICATIONS THAT I HAD. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. MR. BAZALDUA, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I REMEMBER THE COMMITTEE WORK TO THIS.
FIRST I WOULD, I WOULD JUST PIGGYBACK ON COMMENTS THAT WERE JUST MADE AND I WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY HAPPY IF CVS AT JIM MILLER AND SAMUEL LEFT BECAUSE OF THEY DON'T DO RIGHT BY THE COMMUNITY. AND THERE'S A LOT OF THE BIG BOX STORES THAT YOU'VE JUST MENTIONED FAMILY DOLLAR, DOLLAR TREE THAT LEVERAGE THE VULNERABILITY OF A COMMUNITY THAT DOESN'T HAVE A GROCERY STORE AND THEY DON'T DO RIGHT BY OUR COMMUNITY EITHER.
SO I HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH THEIR C-SUITE EXECUTIVES GETTING INTO A ROOM AND TELLING US WHAT WE COULD DO BETTER FOR THEIR BUSINESS MODEL, BUT THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO DO RIGHT BY OUR COMMUNITIES. THERE'S NEFARIOUS ACTIVITIES THAT GO ON.
THERE'S ILLEGAL ACTIVITY THAT GOES ON. THERE'S EXPIRED FOOD.
THERE'S ALL TYPES OF STUFF THAT IS NOT TOLERATED IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.
AND SO IF THEY WANT TO BEAT THEIR CHEST AND HAVE DEMANDS, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME TOO.
THAT'S MY FIRST COMMENT. AND SECOND COMMENT IS THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD MAKE ADJUSTMENTS SPECIFIC TO THESE BIG BOX STORES THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO SEND OUT, YOU KNOW CONSULTANTS ON RETAINERS AND HAVE ENDLESS RESOURCES TO FIGHT BATTLES FOR THEM.
BUT WE'RE WILLING TO MAINTAIN THE SAME ONUS ON SMALL BUSINESS OPERATORS ON THESE MOM AND POP SHOPS,
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ON THESE BODEGAS THAT ARE RUN BY FAMILIES, AND EVERYONE IN THEIR FAMILY TAKES A DIFFERENT SHIFT AND IS IS THE SUSTAINABLE OPERATION OF A BUSINESS.WHY IS IT THAT WE FEEL IT'S OKAY TO MAINTAIN WHAT YOU HAVE DESCRIBED TO BE AN UNDUE ONUS ON A A BUSINESS OWNER FOR MOM AND POPS, BUT WE'RE WILLING TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS FOR BIG BOX STORES THAT HAVE THE CAPITAL AND THE WHEREWITHAL TO TAKE TAKE CONTROL OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE ASKING. COUNCIL MEMBER. BAZALDUA. THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS, I APPRECIATE THEM.
I JUST WE'RE HERE TO PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION AND TO GIVE FEEDBACK FROM THIS BODY.
WE WE DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT THERE'S NO NOTHING ACCUSATORY TO YOU ALL.
I'M ASKING BECAUSE OF YOU BRINGING UP WHERE THIS CAME FROM.
I'M I'M ASKING IF YOU THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS CREDENCE TO THIS BEING TOO ONEROUS FOR THESE BIG BOX STORES AND WE ARE CONCERNED WITH THEM, YOU KNOW, PACKING UP AND LEAVING.
THAT'S A TALE AS OLD AS TIME. THEY'RE GOING TO THREATEN THAT ALL DAY LONG.
THE REALITY IS, IS THERE'S SOME OF THEIR BIGGEST GROSSING REVENUE STORES IN OUR CITY.
BUT IF WE'RE WILLING TO MAKE POLICY ADJUSTMENTS SPECIFIC TO WHAT WE BELIEVE TO BE AN UNDUE ONUS ON A BUSINESS, WHAT IS THE CONSIDERATION AND WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE POTENTIAL RETROFITTING AND OR INVESTMENTS THAT WOULD NEED TO TAKE PLACE FOR THESE BUSINESS OWNERS TO ACCOMMODATE SUCH. WHY DO YOU THINK THAT MOM AND POPS CAN DO THAT AND CVS, DOLLAR TREE, ETC. CAN'T. WE DON'T THINK THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ALL CONVENIENCE STORES ARE ARE CURRENTLY UNDER DON'T REQUIRE THE SMALL MOM AND POP SHOPS TO MAKE ANY CHANGES, AND SO IT DOESN'T IMPACT THEM.
BUT WHAT I'LL SAY IS TO MAKE ANY CHANGES, BUT IT ALREADY IS.
IT'S ALREADY AN ENFORCEABLE MEASURE FOR THEM TO OPERATE.
YEAH, IT'S MOSTLY SAFETY AND HEALTH AND SECURITY, YOU KNOW, PROTOCOLS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THE BOOKS THAT ARE THERE TO PROTECT, YOU KNOW, OUR CONSUMERS. AND THEN ALSO THE SAFETY FOR THE DPD COMPONENT FOR THE CRIME RELATED ISSUES.
AND SO, SO, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STANDS OUT TO ME THOUGH, IS LIKE EXEMPTING A BUSINESS LIKE CVS OR THE LARGER MERCHANT MERCHANDIZERS, THE ONE THAT I MENTIONED ON JIM MILLER AND SAMUEL, WE HAVE HAD ATM THEFT FROM THERE.
WE'VE HAD IT PULLED OUT OF THE STORE. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS WHAT ARE WE DOING? BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE THINGS PUT IN PLACE FOR A REASON.
RIGHT? AND I THINK THAT THEY'VE SERVED A PURPOSE. I THINK THAT IT'S BEEN HELPFUL EVEN TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS TO OPERATE IN A, IN A SAFER MANNER. BUT FOR INSTANCE, I'M JUST GOING TO KEEP GOING BACK BECAUSE IT'S TANGIBLE.
WHAT ARE WE DOING TO PROMOTE THE SAFETY THAT WE EXPECT FROM THESE MOM AND POP ESTABLISHMENTS AT THESE OTHER BIG BOX STORES? SO FOR THE ATM PIECE, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE ATM PIECE? ASK ME THE QUESTION AGAIN, SIR. WITH THE ATM PIECE, YOU SAID CVS STORE, IT'S IN THE FRONT OF THE STORE.
AND ONE OF THOSE ADDITIONAL MEASURES WOULD BE A CAMERA THAT'S POINTING DIRECTLY AT, I THINK WE'RE HOPING THE CAMERAS WILL CAPTURE MORE WITH, YOU KNOW, FACIAL FACIAL RECOGNITION AND THINGS LIKE NOT FACIAL RECOGNITION, BUT ABLE TO IDENTIFY BETTER THE IMAGING OF THE INDIVIDUALS PARTICIPATING IN THAT CRIME AND COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA TO, TO, TO SPEAK TO THE VISIBILITY REQUIREMENT PIECE.
THE TRADITIONAL CONVENIENCE STORES, MOST, MOST OF THE TRADITIONAL CONVENIENCE STORES, THAT VISIBILITY REQUIREMENT WAS PUT IN PLACE SO THAT WHEN A DALLAS POLICE OFFICER DRIVES UP, THEY HAVE A CLEAR LINE OF SIGHT INTO THE STORE, TO THE CASH REGISTER, TO INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE IN THE STORE AT THESE TYPE OF BUSINESSES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, EXEMPTING FROM THE VISIBILITY REQUIREMENT.
THEY DON'T HAVE THAT LINE OF SIGHT ANYWAY. CVS'S ARE MOSTLY ALL BRICK FACADE WITH TWO THIRD TOP GLASS AT THE TOP OF THE STONE AND THEN A DOOR, AND SAME WITH THE OTHERS. AND SO THE DESIGN IS DIFFERENT TO, TO, TO MAINTAIN THEM UNDER THAT REQUIREMENT.
THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR THAT DESIGN.
AND IT DOESN'T GIVE DPD WHAT THEY NEED. ANYWAY, WE FELT LIKE IT MADE SENSE TO BRING THIS BEFORE YOU AS A SMALL MODIFICATION TO KEEP BUSINESS AND TAX REVENUE IN DALLAS. I AGREE, I ALL BUSINESS IS NOT GOOD BUSINESS, AND I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE TO
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WALK THAT LINE. BECAUSE I WOULD GLADLY, I WOULD HELP PACK UP SOME OF THESE STORES IN DISTRICT SEVEN AND SEE THEM BY.I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE CLARITY ON HOW WE GOT. I GET THAT, BUT WE HAVE SOME OF THE WORST PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE ARE SOME OF THE STORES THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT WE'RE WILLING TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS FOR, AND THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO DO RIGHT BY THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE SERVE.
MR. MAYOR, I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA BECAUSE I WANTED TO REALLY THANK HIM FOR THE COMMENTS AROUND THOSE BUSINESSES THAT CONTINUE TO OPERATE IN OUR CITY THAT WE KNOW CAUSE A LOT OF THOSE PROBLEMS. AND SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT AS WE CONTINUE WITH SOME OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING COUNCIL MEMBER, EVEN JUST THROUGH DPD, THROUGH SOME OF THESE HABITUAL BUSINESSES THAT WE KNOW THAT WE'RE SEEING PREDOMINANTLY CRIME, I THINK IT WAS A COMMENT MADE EARLIER ABOUT WHERE WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF OUR VIOLENT CRIME IN SOME OF OUR APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT THOSE RULES ARE BEING FOLLOWED, EVEN FOR THOSE BUSINESSES. AND SO I WOULD BE ASKING FOR DPD AS WE BEGIN TO LOOK, I MEAN, WE'VE DONE MULTIFAMILY AND WE'VE GOT HABITUAL PROPERTIES AND WHERE WE HAVE CODE VIOLATIONS AND WE GO THROUGH COMMUNITY PROSECUTION, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START LOOKING AT THIS MORE BROADLY AROUND SOME OF THOSE REPEAT BUSINESSES, LIKE SOME OF THESE, WHETHER IT'S CONVENIENCE STORES, THERE ARE RESTAURANTS THAT FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY WHERE WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES. AND SO I WOULD HOPE THAT AS WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT WAYS THAT WE ENSURE THAT THE ENFORCEMENT IS DOABLE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE'RE DOING MORE OF THE PROACTIVE.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. AND SO, ASSISTANT CHIEF SCHULTZ, WE MAYBE THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT, TOO, WITH. HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THOSE BUSINESSES ARE BEING HELD TO THE SAME STANDARDS THAT WE'RE DOING WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF THESE MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES WHERE WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF CRIME? IT'S REPEAT. WE'VE GOT OFFENSES, AND WE HAVE THE DATA TO START WORKING THROUGH COMMUNITY PROSECUTION.
I APPRECIATE THAT, I FEEL THAT THERE ARE SOME OF THESE THAT HAVE BECOME COMPLACENT IN TAKING ADVANTAGE OF VULNERABILITY, OF COMMUNITY. AND WE DON'T HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
AND WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME EXPECTATION IN EVERY PART OF OUR CITY.
SO SPECIFICALLY FAMILY DOLLARS IN IN DISTRICT SEVEN THAT I KNOW OF.
THERE, THERE ARE WORDS I CAN'T SAY ON RECORD.
AND I WOULD LOVE FOR THOSE TO BE ADDRESSED AND I'D LOVE TO APPLY AS MUCH PRESSURE AS WE CAN FOR THEM TO BE A BETTER PARTNER, A BETTER NEIGHBOR. WE WILL BE LOOKING INTO THOSE COUNCIL MEMBER.
BAZALDUA. THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS. MISS CADENA, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE WHAT MY COLLEAGUE SAID.
COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON AND ALSO BAZALDUA. AND THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER FOR ALSO MAKING THE SUGGESTION BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME OF THESE HABITUAL ISSUES IN OUR DISTRICT AS WELL. I KNOW PROBABLY FOR THE BEST PAST 8 OR 9 YEARS, WE'VE TURNED IN SOME OF THE SAME LOCATIONS AND THINGS DON'T SEEM TO GET BETTER. AND SO I APPRECIATE, I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DEFINITELY LOOK, NEED TO LOOK AT AND SEE HOW WE CAN ADDRESS THEM BECAUSE THEY DO CAUSE CONCERN IN OUR COMMUNITIES. SO THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR BRINGING THAT UP AS WELL.
THAT'S IT. THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS. COUNCIL MEMBER AND IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC LOCATIONS YOU WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK AT, IF YOU CAN PROVIDE US THOSE ADDRESSES, WE WILL HAPPILY LOOK INTO THOSE LOCATIONS AND SEE IF WE HAVE ANY OPEN OR PENDING CASES, OR IF WE NEED TO CREATE NEW ONES AND JUST START FROM SCRATCH, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO LOOK AT THEM.
YES. I'LL HAVE MY STAFF SEND THEM OVER. THANK YOU.
PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO GO TO MR. ROTH NOW FOR THREE MINUTES.
THANK YOU. I WANT I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR THE WAY YOU'RE HANDLING THIS.
THIS IS A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE, BUT IT'S ALSO AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ISSUE.
SO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING. AND THANK YOU FOR THE CHANGES THAT YOU DID.
AND SO THAT TELLS ME YOU WERE LISTENING AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST IS THAT IN YOUR ITEM 15, THAT YOU TAKE OUT THE WORD DISCOUNT FROM THE FROM THE, THE TITLE OF THE OF THE IDENTIFICATION. I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT YOU DELETE DOES NOT SELL GASOLINE.
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IS GOING TO START HAPPENING. THESE ARE REALLY LITTLE GROCERY STORES OR LITTLE WALMARTS.AND SO YOU IT IT DOESN'T HURT YOU FROM WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
SO I THINK IT STILL ALLOWS YOU TO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
THE FACT THAT YOU'RE AT 15,000, YOU TOOK IT OUT OF THE STRIP CENTERS.
YOU HAVE THE THE RETAIL COMPONENT IN THERE AS THE, AS THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE QUALIFICATION.
I MEAN A SMALL BOX. TAKE OUT DISCOUNT. AND I THINK YOU'VE I THINK YOU'VE HIT IT.
I THINK YOU'VE PROTECTED THE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AGAINST BAD CONVENIENCE STORES.
I THINK YOU'VE CREATED A GOOD SITUATION FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY DEAL BY HAVING THE VISIBILITY ON THE CONVENIENCE STORES, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING. YOU'RE NOT IMPOSING THE GLASS REQUIREMENT ON THESE BOXES WHO DON'T DO IT ANYWAY.
AND YOU'VE AND I THINK YOU'VE YOU'RE REALLY SOLVING THE ISSUE THAT HAS COME UP FOR THE BOX USERS, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND YOU'VE DONE IT.
SO I WITH THOSE CHANGES, I WOULD BE I WOULD ENDORSE IT, I WOULD I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR IT.
AND I THINK YOU'RE YOU'RE IN THE RIGHT. YOU'RE IN THE RIGHT POSITION.
COUNCILMEMBER ROFF. THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS. WE WILL ABSOLUTELY WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THAT'S EXACTLY THE TYPE OF FEEDBACK WE WERE HOPING TO HEAR TODAY. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN RIDLEY.
YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THIS PRESENTATION HAS BEEN LOGICALLY CHALLENGED FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
CHAPTER 2012 B IS THE CITY'S REGULATION OF CONVENIENCE STORES.
CORRECT. CORRECT. AND CONVENIENCE STORES ARE DEFINED AS ANY BUSINESS PRIMARILY ENGAGED IN THE RETAIL SALE OF CONVENIENCE GOODS, A DEFINED TERM, OR BOTH CONVENIENCE GOODS AND GASOLINE, AND HAS LESS THAN 10,000FT² OF RETAIL SPACE.
CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT. SO WHAT IS IT ABOUT THE SMALL BOX STORES THAT YOU WANT TO CARVE THEM OUT OF CERTAIN REGULATIONS? WHAT WHAT DEFINES THEM AS BEING DIFFERENT FROM THE MAINSTREAM CONVENIENCE STORES? THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMAN RIDLEY. CURRENTLY THERE ARE, AS I POINTED OUT EARLIER OR ILLUSTRATED EARLIER, WE CAPTURE ABOUT A HUNDRED OF THEM JUST BY WAY OF THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN AND THE SQUARE FOOT SALES FLOOR AREA OF LESS THAN 10,000 FOOT. AND SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, THEY CAPTURED INTO THAT.
BUT THERE ARE A LARGER NUMBER THAT, BECAUSE THEY'RE SQUARE FOOT OF THEIR SALES FLOOR IS LARGER, THEY ARE NOT CAPTURED. THE DIFFERENTIATOR IS PRIMARILY, I MEAN, THEY BOTH SELL, YOU KNOW, THE SAME TYPES OF GOODS. BUT UPON HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS, AS WAS ILLUSTRATED BY DIRECTOR CHRISTIAN FACE TO FACE WITH REPRESENTATION FROM SOME OF OUR STAKEHOLDERS THEY PLAYED THEIR CASE THAT IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, THEY ARE NOT DEFINED AS SUCH AS THEY ARE HERE.
AND SO WE THOUGHT IT PRUDENT TO BRING THAT BEFORE THIS BODY.
WELL, IT DOESN'T REALLY ANSWER MY QUESTION ABOUT WHAT DISTINGUISHES THEM, OTHER THAN THEY HAVE POWERFUL LOBBYING ENTERPRISES THROUGH THEIR C-SUITE THAT CAN EXERT THEIR FINANCIAL LARGESSE TO GET US TO EXEMPT THEM FROM CERTAIN REGULATIONS.
NOW, CHRIS, YOU MENTIONED THAT IN A PREVIOUS RESPONSE.
YOU WANT TO BOX OUT STORES THAT ARE EXCEEDING 15,000FT², CORRECT? PER THE PER THE RECOMMENDED DEFINITION. WELL, THE RECOMMENDED DEFINITION SAYS LESS THAN 15,000FT².
SO WHICH IS IT? MORE OR LESS THAN 15? I'M GOING TO ASK MATTHEW SAP FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO COME OVER AND EXPLAIN THE DEFINITION AND HOW WE LANDED ON THE. WELL, I CAN READ THE DEFINITION, AND IT'S AT ODDS WITH WHAT YOU JUST TOLD US.
I'M SORRY. I MUST HAVE MISSPOKE. I'M ASKING WHAT ARE YOU ASKING ME RIGHT NOW? WELL, YOU SAID THAT YOU. THE PURPOSE OF THIS WAS TO BOX OUT STORES THAT EXCEEDED 15,000FT².
AND YET THE DEFINITION OF SMALL BOX STORE IS STORES LESS THAN 15,000FT².
SO WHICH IS IT? IT'S LESS THAN. OKAY, SO YOU JUST MISSPOKE PREVIOUSLY.
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I JUST MISSPOKE. OKAY. THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.NOW THE DEFINITION. WELL, IF WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT SMALL BOX STORES THAT EXCEED 15,000 THAT ARE LESS THAN 15,000, DOWN TO 10,000, THEY'RE NOT CONVENIENCE STORES AT ALL, ARE THEY? BECAUSE CONVENIENCE STORES IS DEFINED AS STORES OF LESS THAN 10,000FT².
SO ANYTHING OVER 10,000 ISN'T SUBJECT TO 12 B ANYWAY.
SO WHY DID WE CHOOSE THIS THRESHOLD OF 15,000FT²? IT'S MEANINGLESS. AGAIN, I LIKE TO ASK THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE COME AND ASSIST US WITH HOW WE LANDED ON THE 15,000. OKAY.
WE NEED SOME ASSISTANCE HERE. THAT'S CLEAR.
SO I HAVE A RELATED QUESTION. WHILE WE'RE WAITING ON THAT, WHAT IS THE AVERAGE SIZE OF SMALL BOX STORES? THE CVS'S THE WALGREENS. DO YOU HAVE THAT? SIR, WOULD YOU REPEAT THAT AGAIN SO I CAN. WHAT'S THE AVERAGE SIZE OF THE STORES THAT YOU WANT TO DEFINE AS SMALL BOX STORES? THOSE STORES RANGE FROM, WE'VE SEEN AS SMALL AS 9000FT² AND AND UPWARDS OF 12 TO 13,000FT². WELL, YOU REALIZE, DON'T YOU, THAT IF THERE ARE OVER 10,000, THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED CONVENIENCE STORES AT ALL.
SO THEY'RE NOT SUBJECT TO REGULATION HERE. THAT IS CORRECT.
SO HOW MANY STORES ARE IN THIS CATEGORY THAT ARE LESS THAN 10,000FT²? WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY ONE. LET ME LET ME DO THE MATH HERE TO GIVE YOU AN EXACT NUMBER.
UPWARDS OF 120. THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED SMALL BOX THAT FALL INTO THIS REQUIREMENT. AND MY, MY POINT IS THAT THAT 120 FIGURE INCLUDES STORES THAT AREN'T CONSIDERED CONVENIENCE STORES AT ALL BECAUSE THEY EXCEED 10,000FT². SO I WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY ARE LESS THAN 10,000.
THE NUMBER THAT I JUST GAVE YOU ARE ALL LESS THAN 10,000 THUSLY.
THAT'S WHY THEY ARE PERMITTED. SO WHY ARE WE USING A FIGURE OF 15,000FT² HERE? IF WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT STORES THAT ARE ALL LESS THAN 10,000? I JUST DO THAT CALCULUS. I WOULD HAVE TO CONSULT WITH MY COLLEAGUE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
WELL, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE NEED TO RECONSIDER THE DEFINITION OF SMALL BOX STORE TO MEAN A CONVENIENCE STORE THAT DOES NOT SELL GASOLINE AND DOES NOT OPERATE UNDER A RISK LEVEL TWO ESTABLISHMENT PERMIT, AS DEFINED IN CHAPTER 17.
BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY DEFINED CONVENIENCE STORES AS LESS THAN 10,000FT².
SO WE DON'T NEED TO REPEAT THAT. THANK YOU. THAT'S YOUR TIME FOR THIS ROUND.
BUT GO AHEAD AND RESPOND. CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IF YOU CAN.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT OF DISCUSSIONS WITH D P, D AND I AGREE WITH YOU.
THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CLARIFICATION THERE. WE WILL WORK TO GET THAT DONE.
OKAY. WELL, CAN YOU THAT'S YOUR TIME FOR THIS ROUND.
I'M GOING TO GO TO MISS MENDELSOHN OR YOU CAN COME RIGHT BACK BECAUSE THERE'S NO ONE ELSE. GO AHEAD, MISS MIDDLETON. YOU RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. OKAY. WERE YOU ABLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION WHILE WE WERE WAITING ON HOW MANY OF THE 379 ON YOUR CHART WERE ACTUALLY SHOPLIFTING? NO, MA'AM, BUT I WILL BE ABLE TO PROBABLY GET IT FOR YOU BY THE END OF THE WEEK. I GOTTA HAVE SOMEBODY PULL THAT DATA. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NIBRS REPORT FOR YEAR ENDING 2025, IT'S SHOWING THAT THERE ARE 2900 SHOPLIFTING OFFENSES.
BUT THAT'S A SEPARATE OFFENSE THAN BUSINESS ROBBERY.
SO WHAT'S THE DISTINCTION THERE? WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO BUSINESS ROBBERY, THERE'S A SHOPLIFT THAT TURNS INTO A ROBBERY WHERE THERE'S SOME PHYSICAL CONTACT OR THREAT OF INJURY.
SO OFTENTIMES IF PEOPLE GO IN AND THEY I'LL JUST USE I'M GOING TO SELL A CASE OF BEER.
RIGHT. AND AS I'M LEAVING THE STORE, THE STORE CLERK, IF THE STORE CLERK DOESN'T STOP THEM AND THEY JUST WALK OUT, THAT'S A SHOPLIFT. THE STORE CLERK OR SOMEBODY TRIES TO ATTEMPT TO STOP THEM.
AND THERE'S AN ASSAULT THAT OCCURS IN THAT BUMPS IT UP TO A ROBBERY.
AND SO IT'S LIKE, THAT'S HOW IT CHANGES THAT DEFINITION.
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ARE YOU SAYING THAT THEY HAD CONTACT THEN THAT THERE WAS SOME PHYSICAL CONTACT? BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN CALLED A BUSINESS ROBBERY WITHOUT THE CONTACT, CORRECT? NO, IT. I'M TRYING TO. WELL, THE BUSINESS ROBBERY COUNT WAS 469 ON THE NIBRS WEEK 52 REPORT FOR 2025, AND THAT SEEMS TO MATCH WITH THE 461 YOU'RE SHOWING, GIVE OR TAKE.EIGHT SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THOSE WERE NOT SIMPLY SHOPLIFTING, THAT THEY DID HAVE SOME SORT OF PHYSICAL CONTACT WITH SOMEBODY. CORRECT. ON THE 11 THAT I'M DESCRIBING THAT WE SAY THAT ARE NOT THE INVOLVED IN SOME SORT OF SHOPLIFT THAT WOULD BE AN INDIVIDUAL GOING INTO AND HOLDING A GUN SAYING, GIVE ME YOUR MONEY AT THE REGISTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. THAT ROBBERY ITSELF IS EXCLUSIVE OF THE SHOPLIFT.
WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO AND IT WAS A QUESTION THAT CAME IN PUBLIC SAFETY IN JUNE. THE QUESTION WAS OUT OF THE SMALL BOX STORE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE DEFINED AS AN ACTUAL ROBBERY.
AND SO WE JUST BROKE IT OFF THAT SOME OF THE SHOPLIFTERS TURN INTO ROBBERY.
AND THE ONES THAT ARE ACTUALLY JUST ROBBERY IN ITSELF WITHOUT ANY SHOPLIFT COMPONENT WAS 11.
SO YOU'RE TRYING TO SHOW THAT THE 82 BUSINESS ROBBERIES IN THE SMALL BOX STORES, THAT 71 OF THEM YOU'RE SAYING WERE REALLY SHOPLIFTING THAT HAD A SHOPLIFT. HI. YES, MA'AM.
YOU'RE DIMINISHING THE REAL THREAT THAT HAPPENED THERE.
IF I'M IN THAT STORE AND SOMEONE'S HOLDING A GUN BECAUSE THEY WANT TO TAKE A CASE OF BEER, THAT'S JUST AS BAD AS IF THEY'RE TAKING THE CASH OUT OF THE CASH REGISTER.
I MEAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE IN THE THREAT TO THE TO THE CUSTOMERS OR THE EMPLOYEES.
AND I FEEL LIKE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS DIMINISH IT, SAYING, WELL, ALL BUT 11 OF THOSE WERE REALLY SHOPLIFTING ADJACENT AND THEY'RE NOT SHOPLIFTING IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT OFFENSE.
RIGHT? IN NIBRS. YES, MA'AM. WITH ALMOST 3000 OF THOSE LAST YEAR.
SO I REJECT THIS. AND I HAVE TO SAY, LOOK, IF YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO MAKE A SPECIAL RULE FOR CERTAIN BUSINESSES. WE SHOULDN'T DO THAT. IF IT'S NOT A RISK TO THE REST, TO THE RESIDENTS, THE CUSTOMERS AND THE EMPLOYEES TO HAVE THOSE WINDOWS COVERED, THEN I GUESS LET EVERYBODY COVER THEIR WINDOWS.
BUT IF THERE IS A RISK AT THE CONVENIENCE STORE, HOW IS THERE NOT A RISK AT EVERY OTHER STORE? LIKE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY WE HAVE A SPECIAL QUALIFICATION FOR THIS.
I DON'T WANT TO WALK IN A STORE WHERE IT IS COVERED UP.
AND SO THE QUESTION IS REALLY A PUBLIC SAFETY QUESTION.
NOT SO MUCH A CODE COMPLIANCE QUESTION. AND I WANT TO KNOW, IS THERE A PUBLIC SAFETY REASON WE SHOULD SAY, DON'T COVER UP THE WINDOWS? AND IF SO, IT SHOULD JUST BE FOR EVERY BUSINESS.
THANK YOU. YOUR TIME FOR THIS ROUND, MISS BLAIR, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.
THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I, I WANT TO GO BACK TO DEFINITIONS.
AND I AND WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT SIZE, AND I KNOW THAT IN MY DISTRICT, THINGS CHANGE FROM WHAT THEY USED TO BE. AND BECAUSE WE HAVE A LACK OF BIG BOX RETAIL AND OR FORMAL SIZED GROCERY STORES, WE HAVE SEEN JUST LIKE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SAID, WE HAVE SEEN THINGS CHANGE. WE HAVE SEEN GROCERY STORES NOW DO OTHER HAVE OTHER MEANS OF, OF CREATING INCOME, I.E. GAMBLING. WE HAVE SEEN GAS STATIONS GET LARGER, SOME GET AND SOME WHILE SOME HAVE REMAINED THE SAME CONVENIENCE STORES GET LARGER AS THEY SELL ALCOHOL MORE. FRUITS, VEGETABLES TO BECOME SOMEWHAT LIKE A GROCERY STORE.
BUT THEY'RE DISCOUNTED, BUT THEY DON'T SAY THE NAME DISCOUNT.
SO, AND I, AND I KNOW THAT IN CODE IN ZONING, 32,000FT² MEANS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN SOMETHING LESS THAN 30. AND WHAT IT SEEMS TO ME YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS FURTHER DELINEATE WHAT YOU'RE GIVING, WHAT YOU'RE DOING BY THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING AND WHAT'S BEING OPERATED INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OF THAT BUILDING.
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WHEN WE SEE IN MORE SO IN THE SOUTHERN AREA, WE'LL SEE A CONVENIENCE STORE, IF YOU WILL, THAT HAS BEEN CONVERTED FROM ONE STORE KIND OF STORE TO ANOTHER.WHERE THEY, WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNERS DO ALL THEIR ADVERTISING BY COVERING UP THEIR THEIR WINDOWS FOR THEM. SOMETIMES THEY THINK OF IT AS A SAFETY MEASURE, BECAUSE THE ELEMENTS ON THE OUTSIDE CAN'T COME BY AND NOT ENTER THE BUILDING WITHOUT, BUT STILL NOT KNOW WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE SO THAT THEY CAN'T, FOR LACK OF FOR NOT FOR TELLING THE TRUTH, YOU KNOW, DO A DRIVE BY. AND SO I UNDERSTAND THE THEIR NEED AND THEIR WANT TO COVER UP.
BUT JUST AS SOME OF MY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SAID, I DON'T LIKE GOING IN THOSE STORES BECAUSE JUST LIKE I CAN'T SEE IN, NEITHER CAN YOU. AND IF SOMETHING IS GOING ON, WE.
WE NEED TO BE ABLE. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE, WE. AND WE HAVE.
WE USED TO HAVE A DEFINITION THAT SAID, YOU CAN'T HAVE A PERCENTAGE OF THE WINDOWS COVERED.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT, BECAUSE THEN THERE'S STILL SOME ELEMENT OF PROTECTION FROM THOSE THAT WORK ON THE INSIDE, AS OPPOSED TO THOSE THAT ARE GOING INTO THE STORE, SO THAT THERE IS A PERCENTAGE OF THE WINDOW THAT 50.
I THINK IT'S LIKE 50% OF WINDOW COVER. YOU MUST BE ABLE TO SEE IN WITHIN WITHIN A 50% CLEAR.
AM I RIGHT ABOUT THAT OR AM I AM I WRONG? I'M NOT 100% CERTAIN.
I DO KNOW THERE ARE SOME GLAZING, WINDOW GLAZING, YOU KNOW, REQUIREMENTS.
BUT I CANNOT SPEAK TO YOUR QUESTION TODAY. THAT IS SOMETHING CERTAINLY THAT WE CAN RESEARCH.
SO SAFETY GOES BOTH WAYS. IT GOES BOTH WAYS FOR ME AS AS SOMEONE WHO'S USING THE STORE AND SOMEONE WHO'S TRYING TO GO BUY AND MAKE. IF WE HAVE A CALL. I DO ALSO UNDERSTAND ROBBERY VERSUS THEFT OR SHOPLIFTING.
SHOPLIFTING. I JUST PUT IT IN MY POCKET AND WALK OUT THE DOOR.
ROBBERY IS. I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO THREATEN YOU VERBALLY OR PHYSICALLY, WHATEVER KIND OF WAY, WHETHER YOU ENGAGE ME OR NOT. SO. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THERE'S BEEN A, THERE HAS BEEN IN THE PAST, IF IT WAS NOT A PERCENTAGE OF, OR I SHOULD SAY A DOLLAR AMOUNT IF THE THEFT WASN'T, IF THE THEFT, WHETHER IT WAS ROBBERY OR WHATEVER, IF IT WAS SHOPLIFTING WAS NOT, WAS LESS THAN A DOLLAR AMOUNT. JUST THEY WOULD THE STORES WOULD JUST SEND IN A REPORT, THIS REPORT, THIS, THIS PRESENTATION IS TRYING TO FURTHER DELINEATE THAT.
IS THAT NOT CORRECT? THAT SAYS THAT THAT THAT WHETHER YOU COME OR YOU DON'T COME, IT'S YOU'RE GOING TO ANSWER TO EVERY CALL, WHETHER IT'S A WHEN IT'S A ROBBERY.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES. WE DO RESPOND TO ALL THE ROBBERY CALLS.
WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO WITH THE BUSINESSES AND STUFF, WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR MISDEMEANOR SEE THEFTS, THOSE BUSINESSES HAVE THE ABILITY TO FILE A REPORT WITHOUT CALLING FOR DPD. SO IF IT WAS A ROBBERY, THEY WOULD CALL AND DPD WOULD RESPOND AND DO THE REPORT ACCORDINGLY.
DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM ACTUALLY FOR THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CHRIS, I THINK THIS IS YOU. I GUESS WHOEVER CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
HOW MANY CONVENIENCE STORES TOTALLY ARE CURRENTLY RED TAGGED VIA CO-PARTNERSHIP WITH DPD.
108, SIR. IS THAT CITYWIDE? THAT'S CITYWIDE. HOW MANY SPECIFICALLY IN DISTRICT FOUR.
I DON'T THINK I HAVE THAT NUMBER WITH ME TODAY.
DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, BUT I CAN GET IT FOR YOU.
OKAY. I CAN BREAK IT DOWN TO DISTRICT FOUR. REALLY SIMPLE.
I'M PRETTY SURE YOU WILL. AND I APPRECIATE IT. AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS HOW HOW DOES THIS HELPS US WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO RESOLVE THESE MATTERS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT OFFLINE? YEAH. SO OUR CODE PROCESS IS GOING TO BE THE SAME.
WE CAN ADDRESS THE CODE VIOLATIONS AND THE REPETITIVE ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP AS CONCERNS AS IT RELATES TO THESE LOCATIONS, AS IT RELATES TO CODE COMPLIANCE. WHAT WE'RE HERE TRYING TO DO TODAY IS MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ABOUT A CODE AMENDMENT FOR THE VISIBILITY REQUIREMENT AND
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THE ATM PLACEMENT AND THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE AROUND THOSE, TWO THINGS.UPDATE DEFINITIONS IN THE CODE AND THAT, AND THAT CAME FROM OUR ENFORCEMENT OF THE CODE AND JUST FEEDBACK WE WERE GETTING FROM BUSINESSES AND STAKEHOLDERS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT MARRIED TO IT EITHER WAY.
I JUST, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THAT.
AS WE GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND ENFORCE THE DALLAS CITY CODE.
A LOT OF OUR CODE IS, IS, IS OLDER. IT WAS WRITTEN SOME TIME AGO.
THINGS HAVE CHANGED A LOT OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS, OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS.
THINGS LOOK A LOT DIFFERENT TODAY. AND SO WHEN WE GO OUT TO ENFORCE THE CODE, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE ENGAGE IN CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR STAKEHOLDERS AT COMMUNITY MEETINGS, AT HOA MEETINGS AT AT BUSINESS ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS.
AND THERE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE BROUGHT FORWARD. WE DON'T TAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND CONSIDER THEM BASED ON A ONE BUSINESS OR ONE OFF BUSINESS RECOMMENDATION. BUT WE LOOK AT OUR CODE AS A WHOLE AND HOW IT'S IMPACTING OUR CITY AS A WHOLE.
AND THEN WE TRY TO, AS SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS OR PEOPLE THAT ARE OPERATING IN THIS SPACE EVERY DAY, TRY TO BRING FORWARD REASONABLE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU ALL TO REVIEW AND THEN GUIDE US INTO POLICY THAT'S EFFECTIVE, EFFICIENT, AND ABLE TO BE ENFORCED UNDER THE CURRENT LANDSCAPE.
NO, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CAN REALLY HELP WITH SOME OF THE ROBBERIES THAT WE ARE HAVING AND THE HANGOUTS AND THE LOITERING AND THE DRUG USE THAT'S HAPPENING AT SOME OF THESE SPOTS.
THAT'S DOING IT OPENLY. AND I APPRECIATE YOU.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID, A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS OLD, IT'S OUTDATED AND WE'RE TRYING TO AND STRATEGICALLY UPDATE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO POLICY AND CODE.
AND SO I APPRECIATE IT AND I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK.
I THINK I IT'S NOT ONE TIME THAT I DON'T CALL, I CALL YOU DON'T ANSWER.
YOU'VE BEEN PRESENT. YOU'VE BEEN THERE. YOUR DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL TO ME.
CITY MANAGER. THEY HAVE BEEN VERY GREAT. CHRIS HAS BEEN VERY PROFESSIONAL.
GREAT. EVEN WHEN IT'S AFTER HOURS. I HAVE A PROBLEM.
I APPRECIATE IT, AND I, I TRUST YOU SO I KNOW YOU'LL GET THESE ANSWERS TO US. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. OF COURSE, IT'S AN HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO SERVE. OKAY, I SEE MISS CARDENAS HAND IS UP. GO AHEAD, MISS CADENA. OH, I THINK I FORGOT TO TAKE IT DOWN FROM LAST TIME.
ALRIGHT, MR. RIDLEY, BRING IT HOME, SIR. THANK YOU.
MAYOR. SO WHAT WAS THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE UNOBSTRUCTED LINE OF SIGHT REGULATIONS ON C STORES? ORIGINALLY? I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER FOR THAT.
THAT CAME IN PLACE, I BELIEVE, IN 2008. SO I DIDN'T DO ANY RESEARCH TO, TO I GUESS.
WELL, YOU REPRESENT DPD, YOU'RE ENFORCING YOU'RE CHARGED WITH ENFORCING THIS REGULATION.
YOU MUST HAVE SOME IDEA WHY WE HAVE THIS REGULATION.
I IMAGINE BACK IN 2008, WHEN THE WHEN THE CONVENIENCE STORES WERE THE WAY THEY WERE POSITIONED WITH THE ROBBERIES AND STUFF, IT WAS A SAFETY MEASURE THAT DPD FELT AT THAT TIME WOULD WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO US.
AS WE SAID BEFORE, THE STORES HAVE CHANGED, THEY'VE TRANSFORMED.
AND SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO, YOU KNOW, COME TO THIS BODY OF COUNCIL WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO SEE IF YOU, YOU SUPPORT THE MOVE FORWARD. WELL, AND AS A POLICE OFFICER, DON'T YOU SEE SOME VALUE IN STORE CLERKS, BEING ABLE TO SEE WHO'S COMING INTO THE STORE, AND PEOPLE THAT ARE CUSTOMERS WANTING TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE STORE BEFORE THEY ENTER. FROM A SAFETY CONCERN, I THINK IT HAS ITS VALUE.
BUT IF WE LOOK AT TECHNOLOGY AND STUFF WITH THE CAMERAS AND STUFF, THEY'RE ABLE TO VIEW THOSE CAMERAS IN REAL TIME, WHEREVER THEY'RE SITTING IN THEIR OFFICES OR BACK BY THE STORE.
AND SO THAT VISIBILITY IS PROVIDED TO THEM. WHAT EXACTLY IS IT THAT THE COMPANIES SAY IS GOING TO CAUSE $100,000 REMODELING? IF WE ENFORCE THESE REGULATIONS? THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.
THESE SPECIFIC STORE DESIGNS AND FLOOR PLANS HAVE THEIR CASHIERS AND THE CASHIER AND THE CASHIERS, THE DESK AND THE PERSON BACK TO THE FRONT WINDOW.
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REGISTER. BASICALLY, THAT'S THE WAY THEIR STORES ARE DESIGNED.AND SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO RECONFIGURE TO NOT HAVE THE CASH REGISTER AND THE BACK OF THE PERSON THAT'S OPERATING THE CASH REGISTER VISIBLE THROUGH THE FRONT FACADE. WELL, WOULD IT HELP IF WE CARVED OUT THE WINDOWS IN SECTION 12 B 18 AND JUST REQUIRED UNOBSTRUCTED LINE OF SIGHT THROUGH THE DOORWAYS? I THINK THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY HELP. I THINK I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT IT IN THE ENTIRETY OF WHAT'S THERE, BUT I THINK WHAT YOU PROPOSED COULD SUPPORT A POTENTIAL RESOLUTION.
WELL, I THINK THAT'S A PRACTICAL COMPROMISE. AND ALSO WITH REGARD TO THE CAMERAS, YOU'VE CHANGED FROM THE PRESENTATION, WHICH REQUIRED ALL ATMS BE COVERED BY CAMERA TO ONLY IF THEY'RE LESS THAN 12FT FROM THE DOOR.
I SUGGEST THAT WE KEEP YOUR ORIGINAL THOUGHT, WHICH WAS ALL ATMS. IF THEY'RE THAT BIG A THREAT RISK, BE COVERED BY A CAMERA, NOT JUST THOSE THAT ARE CLOSE TO THE DOOR.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA.
THANK YOU. MAYOR. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. I WILL YIELD MY TIME TO YOU, MR. RIDLEY. YOU WERE ON A ROLL, AND I WANTED YOU TO BE ABLE TO GET YOUR POINTS OUT. IF YOU WEREN'T DONE. I SAW YOUR TIME WAS. MADE MY POINTS.
OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS.
COUNCIL MEMBER. REALLY? SORRY. COUNCILWOMAN. MENDELSOHN.
YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE. THANK YOU. IN CHANGING THE LANGUAGE YOU HAVE ABOUT THE CAMERA, YOU HAVE IT WHERE WILL THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CAMERA BOTH ON THE CASH REGISTER AND THE ATM? YES, THAT IS OUR INTENT. I DON'T THINK THE LANGUAGE IS VERY CLEAR IN THE PROPOSED CHANGE THAT IT WOULD NEED TO BE BOTH.
YES, MA'AM. WE CAN ACTUALLY GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE WE REVERT IT.
SO THAT IS VERY CLEAR. BUT YEAH, THAT WAS THE INTENT OF IT. AND THEN I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT THE CASH REGISTER, ABOUT THE PERSON HAVING THEIR BACK TO THE WINDOW.
THAT'S NOT PART OF THE ORDINANCE. THAT'S NOT PART OF IT.
YEAH. COUNCIL MEMBER RILEY'S QUESTION WAS WHAT WOULD CAUSE THESE STORES TO HAVE TO REDESIGN OR TO SPEND MONEY AND, AND DESIGN IMPLEMENTATIONS IN THEIR STORE? AND MY RESPONSE TO HIS QUESTION WAS THAT THE WAY THEY ARE CURRENTLY DESIGNED, THE CASHIER AND THE, THE, THE DESK AND THE BACK OF THE PERSON THAT'S OPERATING THE CASHIER IS VISIBLE THROUGH THE FRONT WINDOW.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? NO. SO LIKE IF YOU'RE WALKING UP TO THE STORE AND YOU'RE LOOKING THROUGH THE GLASS, YOU CAN SEE THE BACK OF THE PERSON THAT'S OPERATING THE CASH REGISTER AND YOU CAN SEE THE CASH REGISTER JAW AS IT OPENS.
AND THEY'RE OPERATING. YOU CAN SEE THAT THROUGH THE WINDOW.
AND SO THEY'RE USING ADVERTISING TO SHIELD THAT TODAY.
ANOTHER STORE REDESIGN. I MEAN, BUT THAT'S SUPER SIMPLE TO JUST FRAME THAT OUT, RIGHT? I IT'S NOT MY PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE BUILDING, BUILDING BUSINESSES OR, YOU KNOW, DESIGNING THEM.
I'M NOT 100% SURE. I FIGURE IT MAY BE COSTLY.
OKAY. WELL, I AGREE WITH HIM THAT I'M MUCH MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE DOORS.
ANYHOW, THE WINDOWS ARE, YOU KNOW, LOOKS LIKE TEN FEET HIGH.
AND THAT'S THE DESIGN FOR MANY OF THEM. I WILL SAY THE STORES THAT THAT I THINK SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE TALKING ABOUT AND I HAVE CERTAINLY IN DENTON COUNTY, THEY ARE THE STOREFRONT. THAT'S YOUR TIME. YEAH.
I SEE THERE ARE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS. I SEE THERE ARE OTHER SPEAKERS.
CITY SECRETARY. WELL, WE'RE NOW GOING TO BRIEFING BE DISCUSS PROCESS WITH CONDUCTING PERFORMANCE EVALUATION FOR CITY COUNCIL APPOINTED POSITIONS.
ALL RIGHT, CHAIRMAN MORENO. THANK YOU. MAYOR.
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OUR CITY MANAGER, OUR CITY ATTORNEY, OUR CITY AUDITOR, OUR CITY SECRETARY AND INSPECTOR GENERAL.OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, OUR CONSULTANT DOCTOR, LAPARA, WITH NEXT GEN PEOPLE, HAS WORKED WITH US TO NARROW DOWN THE POTENTIAL PERFORMANCE MEASURES. THIS WORK HAS BEEN DONE BETWEEN COUNCIL AND THE CONSULTANT DIRECTLY AND NOT WITH CITY MANAGEMENT.
AT THIS POINT, I WILL NOW TURN IT OVER TO DOCTOR LAPARA.
I SEE YOUR MOUTH MOVING. I DON'T HEAR YOU. I'M SORRY.
I STILL DON'T HEAR YOU. OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO WORK ON THIS FOR JUST A SECOND.
IT'S SHOWING THAT MY. WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW. WE COULD.
YOU CAN HEAR ME. OKAY. YEP. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WE APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. YES, SURE. NO WORRIES.
YEAH. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. GOOD AFTERNOON.
SO AS AS MAYOR PRO TEM MORENO SHARED, WE'VE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME TOGETHER REALLY LEARNING THE PRIORITIES OF DALLAS AS WELL AS INTRODUCING BEST PRACTICES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY ESPECIALLY BY WAY OF ICMA.
SOMEONE COULD CHANGE THE SLIDE TO THE, THE FIRST SLIDE, PLEASE.
OKAY. SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO FIRST DO IS REALLY POINT OUT TO YOU THE SIGNIFICANCE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, MAJOR, OBVIOUSLY FOR AN ENDEAVOR LIKE THIS, FIRST OF ALL, KUDOS TO KUDOS TO THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR TAKING THIS ON, BECAUSE WHAT WE FIND IS TRANSPARENCY AS WELL AS MEASUREMENT INCREASES PERFORMANCE OVERALL FOR ORGANIZATIONS IN GENERAL.
AND THAT INCLUDES BUT IS NOT LIMITED SPECIFICALLY TO MUNICIPALITIES LIKE YOURSELF.
SO WHAT WE SEE IS A, YOU KNOW, A MAJOR, SIGNIFICANT FOCUS ON PERFORMANCE FOR CITIES.
WE SEE AN INCREASE IN PRODUCTIVITY WHEN PERFORMANCE EVALUATION IS CLEAR.
WE SEE ALIGNMENT UNDERSTANDING AND EMPLOYEE SATISFACTION INCREASED AS WELL AS OVERALL 86 PERCENTILE EFFECTIVENESS INCREASE SPECIFICALLY FOR LEADERS WHEN THE EXPECTATIONS OF PERFORMANCE IS CLEAR.
SO KUDOS TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR REALLY DEDICATING THEMSELVES TO CREATING A DASHBOARD, IF YOU WILL, EVALUATIONS THAT SHOW ALIGNMENT BETWEEN STAFF MEMBERS AS WELL AS THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE CITY.
AND THAT HOLDS A HIGH STANDARD, A HIGH BAR FOR PERFORMANCE.
FEEL FREE TO GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO HERE YOU CAN SEE ON THE FIRST BAR WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR. AUGUST UP THROUGH AUGUST 31ST. WE MET ON AUGUST 31ST, FIRST TO BASICALLY FINALIZE SOME INITIAL RECOMMENDATIONS OF MEASURES THAT THE AD HOC COMMITTEE AGREED UPON WERE, WERE GOOD MEASURES TO FOCUS ON, AT LEAST INITIALLY, AND THEN THE NEXT STEPS AFTER THAT. I HAD SEVERAL ONE ON ONES.
EIGHT TO BE SPECIFIC, WITH MANY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO PROVIDED THEIR PERSPECTIVES QUITE GENEROUSLY REGARDING WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO SEE AS BENEFICIAL OF WHAT HAD BEEN RECOMMENDED, AS WELL AS AS SOME OF THEIR OWN PERSPECTIVES.
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AND IT WILL BE CLEAR WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN THE NEXT SLIDES TO COME.WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO TODAY IS PROVIDE THAT OVERALL BRIEFING AS FAR AS INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN GATHERED, AND THEN TO GO FORWARD IN THE NEXT SESSION. AS FAR AS FINALIZING SPECIFICALLY THE MEASURES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO FORWARD WITH IN ORDER TO OPERATIONALIZE AND AND FURTHER INCREASE THAT TRANSPARENCY AND MEASUREMENT.
SO FEEL FREE TO GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS SHOWS THE KPI MEASUREMENTS, WHICH IS PRETTY STANDARD BENCHMARKING BEST PRACTICES WAY OF MEASURES.
AND THAT'S A ONE THROUGH FIVE. SO ESSENTIALLY THE STAFF MEMBERS WOULD BE RATED ONE THROUGH FIVE ONE IF THEY WERE TO BE SCORED A ONE THAT WOULD BE A SEVERE MISS OBVIOUSLY OF SEVERELY MISSING THEIR OBJECTIVES ALL THE WAY TO A FIVE FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH WOULD BE QUITE OUTSTANDING.
A FIVE AS WELL AS A ONE, OBVIOUSLY ARE EXTREME ANOMALIES.
IF SOMEONE IS DOING EVERYTHING THAT IS EXPECTED OF THEM WITH EXCELLENCE, WITH NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM THAT YOU COULD IDENTIFY THEM IMPROVING, THAT WOULD BE A FOUR. IF SOMEONE, FOR EXAMPLE, WAS SCORED A FIVE, THAT'S SOMEONE WHO'S REALLY RECREATING WHAT'S EXPECTED OF THEM.
SO THEY ARE CREATING A ROLE THAT IS A. EXPECTED.
JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF HOW WE RECOMMEND FIVES BEING USED, I FEEL FREE TO GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO HERE WE CAN GET SPECIFICALLY INTO THE SPECIFIC SCORECARDS AND AND WHAT HAS BEEN SHARED. SO THE, THE SCORECARD YOU'RE SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.
IS THAT FOR THE CITY MANAGER? AND SO AS YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT COLORS HERE.
SO WHAT I WANT TO DO IS FIRST EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT THOSE COLORS REPRESENT WITHIN THIS SPECIFIC TABLE.
SO THE COLORS IN BLACK ON THIS SLIDE SPECIFICALLY, THAT WOULD BE NUMBER 1KPI1, TWO, FOUR, AND FIVE REPRESENTS ORIGINAL MEASURES THAT WERE PROPOSED AND RECOMMENDED TO, TO PROCEED FURTHER FORWARD WITH THAT AD HOC COMMITTEE. THE ONE IN GREEN COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS THAT SPECIFIC MEASURE THAT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR THE, BY THE AD HOC COMMITTEE TO BE ADDED. THAT WAS A GAP FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AND THEN WHERE YOU SEE THE SPECIFIC MEASURES THAT ARE IN RED.
THOSE ARE MEASURES THAT WERE RECOMMENDED TO BE ADDED EITHER FROM OUR ORIGINAL LIST OR JUST IN GENERAL, FROM THOSE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT I WAS ABLE TO MEET WITH ON A ONE ON ONE BASIS.
I KNOW THE FONT IS QUITE SMALL, PROBABLY FROM YOUR VIEW, AND I CAN WALK THROUGH AS MUCH AS NEEDED.
HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE DECKS IN FRONT OF YOU. BUT WHAT YOU WILL SEE IS THE SPECIFIC COMMENTS, THOSE SPECIFIC COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO MADE THE RESPECTIVE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE OUTSIDE OF THAT AD HOC COMMITTEE SESSIONS AND READ.
AND THEN AT TOP, I WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION AT THE VERY TOP WHAT NEXT GEN PEOPLE RECOMMENDS.
AND SO WHAT WE RECOMMEND, AS I'VE SHARED BEFORE, IS NOT GOING BEYOND FIVE MEASURES.
WE RECOMMEND 3 TO 5 MEASURES TO BE SPECIFIC. AND THERE'S VERY IMPORTANT REASON FOR THAT.
FOR ONE, YOU WANT TO ENSURE THERE IS A TIGHT FOCUS ON THESE MEASURES THAT THEY GET THE ATTENTION THAT THEY NEED, THAT THE MEANING AND SIGNIFICANCE OF THEM ARE NOT DILUTED BY A VERY LONG LAUNDRY LIST OF FOCUS, SO TO SPEAK. BEST PRACTICES HAS HAVE HAS FOUND 3 TO 5 TO BE REALLY THAT IDEAL NUMBER FOR THAT FOCUS.
AND THE SECOND REASON QUITE RELATED IS THAT THESE MEASURES REQUIRE YOU TO OBVIOUSLY MEASURE, OPERATIONALIZE AND TRACK. AND SO IN ORDER TO REALLY DO IT WELL, WE RECOMMEND YOU FOCUSING ON THOSE MOST IMPORTANT MEASURES AT THE TOP OF THIS SLIDE, AS WELL AS AT THE TOP OF THE SLIDES TO COME. YOU WILL SEE THAT VERY TOP WHERE IT SAYS WHAT NEXT GEN PEOPLE RECOMMENDS.
WHAT WE ARE NOT SAYING IS YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE MEASURES THAT WE RECOMMEND.
SO WE DID DECIDE TO INCLUDE THAT AT THE TOP. SO THIS ONE, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN SEE WE RECOMMENDED MEASURE ONE, TWO, FIVE AND SIX AND SO ON. HERE THAT WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY RESIDENT SATISFACTION IS NUMBER ONE.
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AND THEN NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH WOULD BE STRATEGIC PLANS BRIEFED TO COUNCIL.AND THOSE THOSE PLANS TO BE CLEAR ARE SPECIFICALLY PLANS FROM THE CITY DEPARTMENTS.
AND THAT COULD BE EASILY MEASURED AND BENCHMARKED.
I'LL GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO IF WE LOOK AT THE NEXT ROLE WE'RE LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT THE CITY ATTORNEY. AGAIN THE, THE, THE APPROACH IS THE SAME HERE.
WHAT YOU SEE IS THE ORIGINAL MEASURES THAT WERE RECOMMENDED FOR THIS ONE.
SPECIFICALLY THE AD HOC COMMITTEE NARROWED IT DOWN TO SIX WITH OF COURSE FURTHER DISCUSSION AMONGST YOUR YOURSELVES, THE ENTIRE FULL COUNCIL. AND THOSE SIX YOU SEE HERE ONE THROUGH ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE SIX AND, AND FIVE, SIX WERE THE ONES THAT WERE RECOMMENDED.
WHAT YOU CAN SEE AS WELL ARE SOME OTHER, SOME OTHER ONES THAT WERE RECOMMENDED, FOR EXAMPLE, TO MEASURE OUTSIDE COUNSEL EFFECTIVENESS. SO AS YOU SEE THERE IS OBVIOUSLY SOME, SOME CONSISTENCIES AS FAR AS THE FEEDBACK, BUT THERE'S ALSO SOME DIFFERENTIATION AS WELL AS FAR AS WHAT MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO SEE FOR THIS ONE.
SPECIFICALLY ON THE CITY ATTORNEY PAGE, WE RECOMMENDED NUMBERS TWO, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, AND SEVEN.
THAT BEING NUMBER TWO CASES WON OR SETTLED. WELL OUR SUGGESTION IS REALLY COMBINING THE COUNCIL EFFECTIVENESS OR THE OUTSIDE COUNSEL EFFECTIVENESS WITH THIS ONE. AND THE REASON WHY WE ARE SUGGESTING THEM BE COMBINED VERSUS SEPARATE IS BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO HAVE AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON FOR, SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, HOW THE CITY ATTORNEYS ARE EFFECTIVE VERSUS OUTSIDE COUNSEL.
AND SO IN THAT RESPECT, WE FOUND WE SUGGEST OR AT LEAST WOULD ASSUME, THAT IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO HAVE AN APPLES TO APPLES OF WHETHER OR NOT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO GO TO OUTSIDE COUNSEL BASED UPON THEIR EFFECTIVENESS.
IF WHAT THEY ARE TYPICALLY OUTSOURCED, OUTSOURCED ON IS SOMETHING THAT'S DIFFERENTLY DONE IN HOUSE AND CITY OF DALLAS MAY OR MAY NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT EXPECTATION, BUT THAT IS OUR RATIONALE WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION.
MANY MAJOR CITIES. SO WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, THIS WOULD BE ONE THAT WOULD MORE THAN LIKELY BE RELEVANT TO THE CITY OF DALLAS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE GROWTH AND THE ASSUMED NUMBER OF CONTRACTS THAT WOULD BE QUITE IMPORTANT TO BE REVIEWED IN A TIMELY AND EFFECTIVE MANNER.
NUMBER FIVE, CLIENT DEPARTMENT, CUSTOMER SERVICE.
ALSO RECOMMEND THAT ONE BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THIS ONE IS ALSO ONE THAT IS TYPICALLY VERY POPULAR AMONGST A LOT OF CITIES, AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT SERVICE FROM THE INSIDE COUNSEL TO THE DEPARTMENTS IS ONE THAT IS IS GOING TO BE KEY FOR THOSE RELATIONSHIPS AND EFFECTIVENESS OF, OF THE, THE, THE COUNCIL, THE CITY ATTORNEY.
AND THEN NUMBER SIX LIVING WITHIN THE BUDGET.
SO THAT WAS ONE ALSO THAT WE RECOMMENDED ALONG WITH NUMBER SEVEN AND THAT'S COUNCIL'S ANNUAL RATING.
THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IS ONE THAT CAN TOUCH ON A LOT OF THESE THINGS WHILE IT IS A SUBJECTIVE MEASURE FOR SURE IT IS ONE THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO GET THAT PERSPECTIVE OF YOURSELVES IN A DIRECT MANNER TO THE STAFF MEMBERS.
YOU CAN GO ON TO THE CITY AUDITOR.
SO LOOKING AT THE CITY AUDITOR SPECIFICALLY, WE WE RECOMMEND ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR AND FIVE HERE.
AND THESE SPECIFICALLY ARE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY THE LEAST CONTROVERSIAL, IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE THESE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY HERE AND THE ONES THAT THE, THE, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS PROBABLY AGREED UPON THE MOST, EVEN THOUGH YOU, YOU DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS AS WELL HERE. MONEY FOUND PER AUDIT DOLLAR IS NUMBER ONE.
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JUST TO SHARE WITH YOU, THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT.THERE WAS SOME CONCERN OF, YOU KNOW, MONEY BEING FOUND AT DOLLAR.
THEY'RE NOT COMPLETELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. BUT WE DID SEE THIS AS ONE THAT WOULD BE ONE THAT IS TYPICAL AND THAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY SEE IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. NUMBER TWO, THE RISKIEST AREAS AUDITED.
WE DID GET SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, SO I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MINUTE TO CLARIFY THAT.
SO RISKIEST AREAS AUDITED. THE REASON WHY THIS MEASURE IS PROPOSED, BECAUSE IN SOME MUNICIPALITIES I'M COMPLETELY AGNOSTIC TO THE CITY OF DALLAS AND OR HOW YOU OPERATE. BUT IN SOME MUNICIPALITIES THERE IS A SCENARIO WHERE THERE MAY BE AD HOC AND OR JUST RANDOM REQUESTS FOR AUDITS IN SPECIFIC AREAS, SORT OF LIKE IF YOU HEAR THE, THE SQUEAKY WHEEL GETS THE OIL. SO SOMETIMES BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF DISCONTENT THAT IS RAISED VERY LOUDLY AND AUDIT IS CONDUCTED.
AND SO WHAT WE FIND IS WHEN THAT HAPPENS, IT TENDS TO CHALLENGE THE OBJECTIVITY OF AUDIT FOCUSES.
VERSUS HAVING RANDOM AUDITS THAT ARE REQUESTED.
WHEREAS THE RISK MAY NOT NECESSARILY TRUMP THOSE THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE AUDIT PLAN.
SO THAT'S JUST DEFINING WHAT THAT IS. AND THE RATIONALE BEHIND IT.
NUMBER THREE AUDIT PLAN FINISHED. OF COURSE, THAT IS, YOU KNOW, ONE THAT SOME, YOU KNOW, MAY SEE AS, YOU KNOW, AN AUTOMATIC OR GIVEN, GIVEN SOME OF THE FEEDBACK.
BUT OF COURSE, THIS IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT AS, AS, AND IT SORT OF TIES AS WELL TO THAT.
NUMBER TWO, ENSURING THAT YOU HAVE A PLAN THAT IS GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE FOR THE CITY THAT'S WELL THOUGHT OUT, AND THAT IS UNDERSTOOD BY THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AS WELL AS OTHERS.
AND THEN NUMBER FOUR, RECOMMENDATIONS ACCEPTED.
THIS WAS ONE THAT DID HAVE SOME SLIGHT CONTROVERSY, I WILL SAY.
AND SOME OF THAT PERSPECTIVE WAS IF THE DEPARTMENTS CHOOSE NOT TO ADOPT A RECOMMENDATION THAT IS MADE BY THE AUDITOR, WHY SHOULD THE AUDITOR BE HELD RESPONSIBLE? SO TO BE VERY CLEAR, THERE IS SHARED RESPONSIBILITY ON NUMBER FOUR.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE AUDITOR HAS COMPLETE CONTROL OVER.
BUT THE RATIONALE TO KEEP IT, IF YOU WERE TO DECIDE TO, WOULD BE BASED UPON THE FACT THAT THE AUDITOR DOES HAVE A GREAT RESPONSIBILITY AS FAR AS MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE, ARE VERY CONNECTED AND ALIGNED WITH THE NEEDS OF THE CITY AND THE CITY DEPARTMENTS.
AND THEN NUMBER FIVE, OF COURSE, IS THAT FOLLOW UP, YOU KNOW, ENSURING THAT THERE'S A TIMELY FOLLOW UP AS FAR AS WHEN THE, THE THE, THE AUDITORS FOLLOW UP IS DONE AND IT'S DONE IN A TIMELY WAY.
OKAY. YOU CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
AND THEN THE CITY SECRETARY, AS YOU CAN SEE, A LOT OF THESE RESPONSIBILITIES ARE OPERATIONAL.
AND SO YOU SEE A MUCH MORE OF A FOCUS ON, ON TIMING.
IN THIS SPECIFIC ONE AND THE SPECIFIC ROLE FOR SURE.
AS WELL AS QUALITY. SO IT'S A VERY OPERATIONAL ROLE.
AND SO IN IT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT MORE OF THE OPERATIONAL MEASURES THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING.
AND SO OF COURSE, THIS WOULD BE AN EXPECTATION OF THE CITY SECRETARY.
AND THIS IS ONE THAT WAS ALIGNED ON AT LEAST BY THE COMMITTEE.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, THAT IT WOULD WOULD HAPPEN.
NUMBER TWO MEETING NOTICES ON TIME. SO THIS IS ONE ABOUT TIMELINESS AS WELL AS ALSO, YOU KNOW, FROM THE PERSPECTIVES OF THOSE WHO SUPPORT IT.
ONE ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND GETTING INFORMATION AND HAVING ACCESS TO INFORMATION IN A TIMELY MANNER.
NUMBER THREE, THE MINUTES DONE WITHIN FIVE DAYS.
THIS IS FOCUSED ON, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY THE COLLECTION OF THAT INFORMATION WITHIN THOSE MEETINGS WHEN THEY DO HAPPEN AND MAKING SURE AGAIN, IN THAT SAME SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY AND ACCESS NUMBER FOUR RECORDS REQUESTS ANSWERED.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING I, I'M THE CITY OF DALLAS IS TRACKING AS WELL AND IS JUST CONTINUING TO TRACK THAT AND IDENTIFYING A WAY TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT IS, IS TIMELY WITHIN THE TEN BUSINESS DAYS IN A CONSISTENT MANNER.
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I MEAN, YOU SEE THOSE RECOMMENDED BARS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.AS FAR AS WHAT PERCENTAGE WOULD BE DEEMED EFFECTIVE OR HIGHLY EFFECTIVE AND EXCELLENT.
AND THEN NUMBER FIVE RECORDS DIGITIZED AND ARCHIVED AND SEEING THAT PRESERVATION TAKE PLACE.
A SIXTH ONE WAS RECOMMENDED AND THAT IS PROFESSIONAL CERTIFICATION.
AND THAT IS ONE YOU COULD GO WITH. OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO NOT INCLUDE THAT ONE.
OKAY. CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE. AND THEN THE INSPECTOR GENERAL.
SO THIS ONE, WE RECOMMEND IT ONE THROUGH FIVE.
AND VERY SIMILARLY WE RECOMMENDED AGAINST NUMBER SIX PROFESSIONAL CERTIFICATION WITH THE SAME VEIN, WITH THE SAME SPIRIT AS THE CITY SECRETARY'S RATIONALE OF NOT INCLUDING THE CERTIFICATION.
SO NUMBER ONE, LOOKING AT PROBLEMS ACTUALLY FIXED BY THE INSPECTOR GENERAL.
AGAIN, THIS IS ONE WHERE THERE IS MIXED RESPONSIBILITY THERE.
AND SO THERE WAS SOME QUESTION OF SHOULD THE INSPECTOR GENERAL BE COMPLETELY RESPONSIBLE.
NUMBER TWO, ETHICS TRAINING COMPLETED IS THE SECOND ONE.
THE THIRD IS INVESTIGATIONS COMPLETED ON TIME.
AND THEN THE FOURTH IS SPEED ON A TYPICAL INVESTIGATION.
SO NUMBER THREE AND NUMBER FOUR IS SOMEWHAT SIMILAR.
AND SO YOU COULD DECIDE TO GO WITH ONE VERSUS THE OTHER.
SO THEY DO HAVE A SLIGHT BIT OF A DIFFERENCE THAT SHOWS YOU DIFFERENT WAYS OF LOOKING AT IT.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE A BAD THING IF YOU WERE TO USE ONE VERSUS THE OTHER.
BUT I WILL SAY THAT BOTH SHOULD BE QUITE EASILY, EASILY MEASURABLE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO.
AND THEN NUMBER FIVE IS COMPLAINT DATA TRANSPARENCY.
AND THAT'S JUST ENSURING THAT THE ANNUAL PUBLIC RECEIVES A REPORT WITHIN A REGULAR BASIS.
OKAY. AND THEN YOU CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
NEXT ON PAGE RATHER SO. SO WHAT WE WOULD DO HERE IS, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY REVIEW.
I'M ABOUT TO OPEN IT FOR YOUR QUESTIONS AND YOUR, AND YOUR COMMENTS AND DISCUSSION.
AND THIS IS THE TIME, YOU KNOW, AS I'VE SHARED WITH, WITH YOU, ALL THOSE THAT I'VE MET WITH, THIS IS A TIME FOR YOU TO REALLY SHARE YOUR PERSPECTIVES AS FAR AS WHAT YOU SEE AS PRIORITIES FOR THE CITY AND ALIGN ON THE MEASURES THAT YOU WOULD CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. AND THEN THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE US HELPING YOU TO FORMALIZE THOSE MEASURES IN A WAY AND OPERATIONALIZE THOSE SO THAT YOU CAN GET THAT TRANSPARENCY AND THOSE EXPECTATIONS ARE, ARE SHARED. AND, AND THEN GOING FORWARD, YOU CAN BE ABLE TO USE THOSE AS BARS FOR EVALUATION AND TRANSPARENCY.
NOW WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO TURN IT BACK TO YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR TODAY'S PRESENTATION.
IT HAS BEEN GREAT WORKING WITH YOU THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.
I'D LIKE TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO EXPLAIN HOW WE ARRIVED AT THIS POINT.
HOW DID WE GET HERE? WE RECOGNIZED THAT OUR PROCESS FOR CONDUCTING PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS OF OUR DIRECT HIRES HAS BEEN INCONSISTENT, BOTH IN TIMING AND IN EXECUTION. THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL CONTRIBUTING FACTORS, INCLUDING INTERIM LEADERSHIP POSITIONS, THE ONBOARDING OF NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND THE RETIREMENT OF DIRECT HIRES.
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THIS COUNCIL IDENTIFIED ISSUES THAT ISSUE AND REQUESTED A CLEAR FRAMEWORK AND ESTABLISH TIMELINE AND A CONSISTENT APPROACH TO EVALUATING OUR DIRECT HIRES.THE GOAL WAS TO CREATE A PROCESS THAT IS STRUCTURED, FAIR AND REPEATABLE MOVING FORWARD.
THE ADMINISTRATIVE AFFAIRS COMMITTEE HELD MULTIPLE WORKING SESSIONS TO REVIEW THE FRAMEWORK AND PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO OFFER FEEDBACK ON THE PROPOSED MEASURES AND GOALS. WE ALSO DIRECTED THE CONSULTANT TO ENGAGE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WERE NOT ON THE COMMITTEE, TO GATHER THEIR ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, FEEDBACK AND SUGGESTED CHANGES.
THE FRAMEWORK ITSELF WAS DEVELOPED USING ESTABLISHED PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS.
THE MEASURES WERE INFORMED BY THE ICMA PERFORMANCE EVALUATION PRACTICES AND BY REVIEW OF HOW OUR PEER CITIES APPROACH EVALUATIONS OF THEIR DIRECT HIRES. THAT REVIEW HELPED US BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT AN EFFECTIVE EVALUATION PROCESS SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
KEY PRINCIPLES, INCLUDING ESTABLISHED OUTCOME BASED GOALS AND LIMITING THE NUMBER OF EVALUATIONS CRITERIA TO A MANAGEABLE LEVEL, AND CONDUCTING AT LEAST ONE EVALUATION ANNUALLY.
THESE PRINCIPLES ARE INTENDED TO PROVIDE CLARITY, ESTABLISH EXPECTATIONS UP FRONT, AND ENSURE ENSURE PERFORMANCE IS EVALUATED IN A MEANINGFUL AND CONSISTENT WAY. WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT OUR PEER CITIES APPROACH.
I BELIEVE I READ THAT ONE. EXCUSE ME. AND SO YEAH, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, WE AGREED ON THE SCOPE OF THE WORK AND THE TIMELINE AND THE POINT SYSTEM FOR THIS PROJECT.
WE PROVIDED THE CONSULTANTS WITH A CLEAR DIRECTION REGARDING OUR EXPECTATIONS, THE DELIVERABLES WE WANTED TO RECEIVE, THE DIRECTION ESTABLISHED, THE FOUNDATION OF THIS WORK.
FINALLY, WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT NO PERFORMANCE EVALUATION PROCESS IS PERFECT.
THE OBJECTIVE IS NOT TO CREATE A PERFECT SYSTEM.
ALL RIGHT. SO TODAY'S DISCUSSION SHOULD BE FOCUSED ABOUT THE PROCESS AND THE FRAMEWORK.
AND ONCE WE ADOPT THE MEASURE WE WILL THEN PROCEED WITH THE EVALUATIONS.
NOW HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR OUR CONSULTANT.
WERE WE ABLE TO PROVIDE AN EXISTING EVALUATION CRITERIA AND TEMPLATES TO YOU.
SO IT WAS DECIDED BY THE CITY TO NOT PROVIDE THAT RIGHT.
OKAY. WERE YOU PROVIDED WITH PRIOR EVALUATIONS OR OUTCOMES FROM THE CITY? NO, NOT AT ALL. AND THE REASON I LAY THIS OUT IS THAT WE'RE STARTING FROM SCRATCH.
HOW MANY KPIS PER POSITION DO YOU RECOMMEND AND WHY IS THAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION? YEAH. SO WE RECOMMEND 3 TO 5 ANYWHERE BETWEEN THAT NUMBER AND THE REASON IS WHAT WE'VE NOT ONLY WHAT WE FOUND, BUT THIS IS JUST BENCHMARK BENCHMARKING BEST PRACTICES IN GENERAL, NOT ONLY FOR THE CITY CITIES, BUT AS WELL AS ORGANIZATIONS OVERALL IS THAT IT REQUIRES A VERY TIGHT FOCUS FOR YOU TO NOT ONLY EVALUATE THE STAFF MEMBERS, THE EMPLOYEES AGAINST THESE MEASURES, FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR AS FAR AS FROM A PRIORITIZATION STANDPOINT, AS WELL AS TO OPERATIONALIZE, BECAUSE THE DATA WILL NEED TO BE COLLECTED FOR THESE DIFFERENT MEASURES.
AND SO WHAT WE SEE IS TYPICALLY IF YOU GO BEYOND FIVE, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF EXTRA EFFORT THAT IS GOING TO BE EXPENDED WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF OF REAPING THAT EXTRA EFFORT.
SO NOT ONLY IS REWARD TYPICALLY NOT HIGHER FROM A PERFORMANCE PERSPECTIVE, WHEN YOU GO BEYOND FIVE MEASURES, BUT ALSO YOU ARE NOW DILUTING THE FOCUS. AND THEN THE MEASURES THAT YOU DO INCLUDE BECOME LESS IMPORTANT TO EVERYONE INVOLVED.
THANK YOU. HOW WILL THE RESULTS OF THE KPIS BE SCORED? SO THAT IT'S NOT GRAY SO THAT WE'RE NOT IT, BASING THINGS OFF OF EMOTIONS AND THAT IT'S ACTUAL FACTUAL
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AND OBJECTIVE. RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHY WHEN YOU SEE THE SUGGESTIONS OF, OF HOW YOU, HOW YOU SHOULD MEASURE WITHIN THOSE PAGES, WHAT WE TRY TO DO MORE THAN NOT IS FOCUS ON WAYS TO LOOK AT SPECIFIC COUNTS, QUANTITATIVE MEASURES THAT ARE OBJECTIVE. YOU KNOW, AS THEY SAY, YOU KNOW, MATH BEING THE UNIVERSAL LANGUAGE.SO WE TRY TO DO THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. NOW, OF COURSE, WHERE YOU SEE, FOR EXAMPLE, COUNCIL RATING THAT BEING ONE OF THE KPIS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED, YOU DO GET INTO MORE SUBJECTIVITY BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE DEALING MORE WITH PERSPECTIVES OF THOSE WHO ARE GIVING THEIR INPUTS.
AND SPECIFICALLY THE COUNCIL IS, YOU KNOW, A, A, A FINITE, YOU KNOW, LIMITED NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST SUBJECTIVE MEASURE THAT YOU WILL SEE AMONG THEM.
WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME. AND DID THAT MAKE THIS PROJECT A BETTER DELIVERABLE? YES, I BELIEVE IT DEFINITELY MADE IT A BETTER DELIVERABLE FOR MULTIPLE REASONS.
AND SO THAT ALLOWED US TIME FOR EVERYONE TO ALIGN SPECIFICALLY ON WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE AS FAR AS WHAT YOU WANTED TO MEASURE HOW YOU WANTED TO MEASURE LOOKING AT THE PRIORITIES OF THE CITY, WHILE ALSO SHARING THE BENCHMARKING BEST PRACTICES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AND WAYS THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS COULD NOT ONLY COMPETE AS FAR AS MEASURING AND EVALUATION, BUT EVEN EXCEED IN SOME WAYS.
SO IT GAVE US TIME TO HEAR FROM THE CITY TO ENSURE THAT WE WERE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION YOUR PRIORITIES, AND ALSO GAVE THE CITY OF DALLAS TIME TO REALLY FOCUS IN A WAY THAT YOU PROBABLY AREN'T PRIVILEGED TO DO.
AND OTHER SETTINGS BECAUSE YOU'RE SO BUSY FOCUSED ON, ON THE OTHER ACTIVITIES.
SO I BELIEVE IT WAS TIME WELL SPENT WHERE EVERYONE COULD EDUCATE AND, AND ALIGN WITH EACH OTHER.
ONCE WE ADOPT THESE PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS IN THE FUTURE, HOW WOULD WE GO ABOUT CHANGING GOALS AND MEASURES DOWN THE ROAD? YEAH. SO LIKE I HAD MENTIONED A LITTLE EARLIER, OUR FOCUS IS TO MAKE THESE MEASURES AS QUANTITATIVE AS POSSIBLE.
AND SO FOR US, WE SEE A VERY SOLID STRUCTURE THAT YOU CAN USE GOING FORWARD WITH THESE MEASURES.
YOU SAW THOSE, THOSE THOSE, BASICALLY THOSE GOALS THAT YOU WOULD AIM FOR WHAT WE WOULD CALL NOT JUST BENCHMARK, BUT ALSO A MODERATE LEVEL. YOU COULD TWEAK THOSE AND SAY, HEY, THESE MEASURES ARE TOO AGGRESSIVE.
OF COURSE, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS YOU CAN ADD TO IT, BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY IS YOU HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF MEASURES THAT ARE TRIED AND TRUE, TESTED TO USE FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND SIMPLY ADJUST FROM A QUANTITATIVE GOAL PERSPECTIVE.
THANK YOU. AND THIS QUESTION IS MORE FOR FOR COUNCIL.
THANK YOU MAYOR. CHAIRWOMAN WILLIS, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.
THANK YOU. AND YES, I APPRECIATE THE WORK OF NEXT GEN AND GUIDING US THROUGH THIS.
IT'S CERTAINLY A PLACE THAT WE'VE NEEDED TO BE FOR SOME TIME, AND I'M GLAD WE'RE HERE. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS TO NOTE, IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU LAID OUT, IS THAT WE ALSO NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE TOOLS THAT EMPLOYEES NEED TO DO THESE OR ACHIEVE THESE GOALS.
SO I THINK WE WOULD, I'D LIKE TO THINK WE WOULD THINK ABOUT THAT, BUT WE CAN'T PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE FOR THEM TO DO, AND THEN NOT FUND THE TOOLS AND GIVE THEM THE PROPER AMMO TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DIDN'T INCLUDE EMPLOYEES AND GOALS.
GOAL SETTING. I THINK THAT'S A QUALITY PRIVATE SECTOR PRACTICE.
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BECAUSE I'VE CHECKED IN WITH A COUPLE OF THEM, AND I THINK IT CAN ONLY MAKE THIS BETTER IF THEY'RE INVOLVED IN YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THE ONES WHO UNDERSTAND THEIR DEPARTMENTS THE BEST OR THE PEOPLE THEY MANAGE THE BEST.AND THE THINKING ON THIS, THIS IS REGARDING STRATEGIC PLANS, IS THAT BUDGETING AND BOND PROGRAMS ARE SO PAINFUL BECAUSE WE'RE NOT STARTING FROM A POINT OF AN OVERALL STRATEGIC PLAN. IF WE HAVE AN OVERALL PLAN, IT SHOULD MAKE THOSE PROCESSES SO MUCH SMOOTHER IF THERE IS SUCH A THING IN BUDGETING AND BOND PROGRAMS, BUT WE WILL HAVE THAT DIRECTION PHILOSOPHICALLY, AND IT CAN MAKE THAT NEXT TASK EASIER TO ACCOMPLISH.
AND SO INSTEAD OF HAVING THESE BRIEFINGS OF PLANS TO GET US TO THAT, I WOULD SAY WE AS A COUNCIL SHOULD MAKE A BIG DECISION IN HAVING AN OVERALL STRATEGIC PLAN FOR DALLAS VERSUS THE ONE OFFS WE'VE BEEN OPERATING UNDER, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S FEELING A LITTLE BIT SILOED.
AND IT MAKES OUR JOB A LOT EASIER. AND IT CERTAINLY MAKES THE JOB OF THE STAFF MORE MORE EASY TO ACCOMPLISH, WHICH ULTIMATELY BENEFITS THE RESIDENTS OF OUR CITY.
SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE NUMBER SEVEN EVOLVE INTO CREATION OF A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR OUR CITY.
I WOULD GO BACK TO NUMBER ONE AND TWO OR NUMBER ONE RESIDENT SATISFACTION.
SO I'M A BIG BELIEVER IN THAT ONE. I SEE NUMBER TWO AND SIX COMING TOGETHER ON THE REASON I BROUGHT UP NUMBER SIX ON SPENDING VERSUS ADOPTED BUDGET IS BECAUSE OF THE PAIN WE HAD OVER EVICTION AND EVICTION ADVOCACY AND COURT SERVICES.
A YEAR AGO, WE ADOPTED, WE ADOPTED A BUDGET THAT HAD MONEY FOR THAT.
AND THERE WAS EVEN AN RFP. AND THEN FOR SOME REASON, THE RFP DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO REISSUE IT OR WE CANCELED IT, AND THEN WE WENT INTO A BUDGET DEFICIT AND THEN IT DIDN'T GET ACCOMPLISHED.
AND SO OUR ORIGINAL INTENT AND IMPROVING AND APPROVING THAT IN THE BUDGET WAS NEVER, NEVER HAPPENED.
AND THEN WE COME INTO THE NEXT YEAR AND WE ALLOCATE SOME MORE MONEY.
AND I HOPE THAT IT IT DOES MAKE IT TO THE PEOPLE WHO NEED IT THIS YEAR.
BUT MY GOAL WAS TO TO HAVE IT BE A CRITERIA OF EVALUATION, TO SAY IT'S ONE THING IF THE COUNCIL CREATES A BUDGET AND APPROVES A BUDGET. BUT IF THAT ISN'T EXECUTED FOR WHATEVER REASONS, THEN THAT'S THAT'S A PROBLEM.
THAT'S NOT WHY WE SPEND ALL THE TIME THAT WE DO ON THE BUDGET.
AND I KIND OF SEE ALL OF THESE FITTING TOGETHER.
IT'S NOT ONLY MAKING SURE THAT WHAT WE BUDGET FOR IS THE PROCESS IS STARTED AND WE GET THROUGH TO IMPLEMENTATION, BUT THEN MAKING SURE THAT MILESTONES ARE HIT ON THAT PLAN.
AND THEN FINALLY, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR COUNCIL RATING AND EMPLOYEES EVALUATION OF THEIR THEIR MANAGEMENT, I KNOW THAT AT I SEE A 360 EXAMINATIONS ARE A RECOMMENDED PRACTICE, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING THAT HERE.
MISS FLOURNOY, ARE WE DOING THAT? OR I COULD ASK MISS CIOCON.
ARE WE? ARE WE DOING 360 EVALUATIONS? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
I AM NOT AWARE THAT WE'RE DOING THAT. SO IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S THE EMPLOYEE SIDE.
MAYBE THE ACMS CAN EVALUATE THE CITY MANAGER.
BUT IN THIS CASE, I WOULD SAY THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ALSO WOULD NEED TO DO A 360.
AND THAT WOULD BE A WAY TO CAPTURE WHAT OUR THINKING IS AROUND THAT EMPLOYEE, BUT ALSO CAPTURING WHAT THE STAFF THINKS AS WELL SO THAT IT CAN, YOU KNOW, SO WE'LL KNOW WHERE EVERYONE FEELS LIKE WE'RE ACHIEVING GOALS, BUT WE ALSO SEE WHERE THERE IS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT.
BUT TURN IT INTO A 360, WHICH IS A MUCH MORE CORPORATE APPROACH.
THANKS. IS YOUR TIME, CHAIRMAN RIDLEY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.
THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO I THINK THIS WAS A VERY WORTHWHILE EXERCISE.
I HAVE A FAIRNESS PROCEDURAL QUESTION. WHY DID WE NOT PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE FIVE APPOINTED OFFICIALS TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON THE RECOMMENDED KPIS? IT SEEMS TO ME THE FAIRNESS ASPECT IS THAT THESE NEED TO BE EVALUATION CRITERIA THAT
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THEY FEEL FAIRLY MEASURE THEIR EFFORTS, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT ALSO, IF WE GET THEIR BUY IN TO THESE CRITERIA, PREVENTS THEM FROM SAYING DURING THE ACTUAL EVALUATION, WELL, THAT WASN'T A FAIR CRITERIA TO EVALUATE ME ON IN THE FIRST PLACE.I THINK WE NEED THAT BUY IN WITH REGARD TO THE SPECIFIC APPOINTEES ON THE CITY MANAGER.
I THINK WE NEED ONE THAT MEASURES THEIR SUCCESS IN ENCOURAGING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
NONE OF THESE MEASURES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, SUCCESS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I MEASURE. I MENTIONED DURING MY COMMENTS AND WOULD PROPOSE THAT THE KPI BE.
THE AMOUNT OF INCREASE IN PROPERTY VALUES IN THE CITY FROM NEW CONSTRUCTION.
THAT'S A PURELY OBJECTIVE CRITERIA, EASILY MEASURED.
WE COULD TO KEEP DOWN TO THE FIVE CRITERIA. I SUGGEST THAT WE COMBINE TWO AND SIX, WHICH BASICALLY GO TO THE SAME THING. SPENDING VERSUS THE ADOPTED BUDGET, WHICH INCLUDES BOND FUNDING.
SO I THINK THOSE COULD EASILY BE COMBINED WITH REGARD TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.
CITY AUDITOR. I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT NUMBER TWO RISKIEST AREAS AUDITED.
WHO PREPARES THE ANNUAL RISK ASSESSMENT. CAN ANYONE TELL ME THAT? BECAUSE IF IT'S THE CITY AUDITOR, THEY'RE BASICALLY WRITING THEIR OWN SCORECARD.
THIS IS NOT A VALID KPI FOR THE REASON THAT IF WE ADOPT THIS, WE ARE DISCOURAGING THE CITY AUDITOR FROM MAKING AGGRESSIVE RECOMMENDATIONS. THEY'RE GOING TO TEND TO SOFTEN THEM, TO MAKE THEM ACCEPTABLE SO THAT MANAGEMENT WILL IMPLEMENT THEM AND THEY'LL GET A HIGH SCORE. FIVE. FOLLOW UP DONE QUICKLY. HOW IS THIS IN CONTROL OF THE CITY AUDITOR ONCE HE'S MADE HIS RECOMMENDATIONS? HIS ROLE BASICALLY ENDS, EXCEPT SIMPLY TO CATALOG WHICH OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE ADOPTED BY MANAGEMENT. BUT THAT'S OUT OF THEIR CONTROL.
SO WHY ARE WE MEASURING THE CITY AUDITOR ON SOMEONE ELSE'S IMPLEMENTATION OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS? I THOUGHT THE CITY SECRETARY WAS FINE. THE INSPECTOR GENERAL ITEM ONE IS THE SAME PROBLEM.
THE IG IS NOT IN CONTROL OF MANAGEMENT'S ADOPTION OF THEIR.
RECOMMENDATIONS. SO IT SAYS IN FACT, ONE OF THE READ COMMENTS IS DEPARTMENT NONCOMPLIANCE WAS NOT PENALIZED THE IG. SO WHY DO WE HAVE THIS KPI THAT NEEDS TO BE MODIFIED.
AND THEN I SEE THREE AND FOUR AS BEING LARGELY DUPLICATIVE.
AS MISS FLOURNOY ACKNOWLEDGED, THEY BOTH MEASURE COMPLETION OF INVESTIGATIONS ON TIME.
THAT'S AN IMPORTANT KPI, BUT WE DON'T NEED TWO SEPARATE KPIS MEASURING BASICALLY THE SAME THING.
SO I THINK THOSE COULD BE COMBINED. IF THAT LEAVES FOUR KPIS, I THINK THAT'S FINE.
OR IF SOMEONE ELSE HAS A FIFTH ONE THAT THEY WOULD RATHER SEE, WE CAN CERTAINLY CONSIDER THAT.
THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.
THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO TO EVALUATE ALL OUR EMPLOYEES YEARLY.
I DON'T THINK THE CITY MANAGER NEEDS TO BE THE ONLY ONE.
I BELIEVE THAT THAT GETS THAT YEARLY EVALUATION.
MOST OF US WANT POSITIVE FEEDBACK TO HELP US BECOME BETTER IN THE ROLE THAT WE PLAY SO THAT WE CAN SERVE OUR COMMUNITIES AND CITIES BETTER, CITY BETTER. NOT ONLY THAT, BUT I THINK EMPLOYEES NEED TO BE EVALUATED AS WELL.
AND I BELIEVE THEY DO, IF I'M CORRECT, I THINK THEY DO.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS LISTENING TO YOU COUNCILMAN.
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MORENO MAKING SURE THAT WE DO THAT BECAUSE I COME FROM AN ORGANIZATION THAT WE ALL GOT EVALUATED OR WE EVALUATED OUR EMPLOYEES AND ALSO THE KIDS, THEY DO A CLIMATE SURVEY WHERE THEY EVALUATE THE TEACHERS AND SEE HOW THEIR FEEDBACK IS.SO I WOULD RECOMMEND OR LIKE TO ADD IF WE CAN, AS WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION EVEN MORE, TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE EVALUATED YEARLY. SO WE KNOW SO THEY KNOW HOW THEY'RE DOING AND, AND WHAT AREAS THAT THEY'RE DOING WELL IN AND OTHER AREAS THAT THEY'RE NEEDING TO GROW IN AS WELL. SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THIS EXERCISE.
AND IN THE PROCESS, SO MY QUESTION IS, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN ASK HIM, MR. MAYOR, ARE YOU SUPPORTIVE OF EACH EMPLOYEE THAT WE'RE ON THAT THAT REPORTS TO THE COUNCIL BEING EVALUATED YEARLY? ARE YOU ASKING. YES, SIR. I SAID OKAY, IF I ASK, WHO WANTS TO RESPOND? SURE, SURE. THANK YOU. MAYOR. SO I THINK THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEYS.
SO THE CITY MANAGER'S REVIEW IS TIED TO OUR CONTRACT.
HOWEVER, I BELIEVE YOU COULD CERTAINLY, AS A POLICY REVIEW YOUR EMPLOYEES EVERY YEAR.
OKAY. DO WE HAVE THAT AS A POLICY NOW? YOU DO NOT.
OKAY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MISS BLACKMON RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.
THANK YOU. SO I BELIEVE THIS IS PROBABLY FOR THE CONSULTANT LOOKING.
AND I HAVE HEARD THAT YOU LIKE FIVE, YOU KNOW, FIVE BUCKETS, IF YOU WILL.
SOME OF THESE COULD BE COMBINED INTO ONE GENERIC BUCKET IN WHICH TO ORDER TO GET AN EVALUATION, A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT ITEM IS. WHAT IS HER NAME? I'M ASKING THE CONSULTANT I CAN'T OH, WHAT IS THE QUESTION? I'M SORRY, WHAT IS THE QUESTION? SO LIKE I'M LOOKING AT YOU.
YOU HAD SAID THAT THERE WAS FIVE ITEMS IN WHICH TO AND I PUT THIS IN QUOTES TO GRADE SOMEBODY.
RIGHT. AND, BUT YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM GO BEYOND FIVE, IT LOOKS LIKE A FEW COULD BE COMBINED IN ORDER TO GET A SCORE FOR THAT, FOR THAT LINE ITEM. SO CREATING BUCKETS. SO THERE'S TWO THINGS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ALIGNED.
SO WE SUGGEST USING FIVE LEVELS IN ORDER TO SCORE THE RATING.
SO CHOOSING ONE THROUGH FIVE FOR EACH KPI THAT YOU SELECT.
SO THAT WAS THAT REFERENCE TO THE FIVE. OKAY, SO NOT FIVE KPIS.
NO. WE SUGGEST 3 TO 5 KPIS. SO ANYWHERE FROM 3 TO 5.
SO THAT'S I GUESS 3 TO 5. SO THEN IS THERE A WAY TO GROUP THEM.
SO LIKE MY THING IS WHEN IT'S RESIDENT SATISFACTION COUNCIL ANNUAL RATING AND EMPLOYEE SATISFACTION, COULDN'T YOU DO JUST A GENERAL BUCKET OF IS YOU KNOW, A GENERAL, YOU KNOW, GENERAL SATISFACTION AND THEN YOU CAN RATE EACH ONE OF THEM AND THEN YOU GET A NUMBER. I AGREE WITH YOU.
ASSUMING THAT THE EVALUATIONS ARE DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER.
OKAY. AND I, I CAME FROM WHEN I WORKED WITH AT DISD AND, YOU KNOW, THE STUDENTS RANKED THE PRINCIPALS AND, AND IT WAS HOW YOU DEVELOPED THE SURVEY.
IT WASN'T, DO I LIKE MY TEACHER? IT WAS DOES THE TEACHER CARE FOR ME? DOES THE TEACHER HAVE CLEAR DIRECTION IN THEIR LEARNING OR IN THEIR TEACHING.
AND IT WAS TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF DOES THE BODY, DOES THE STUDENT BODY ACTUALLY FEEL COMFORTABLE IN THE BUILDING THEY'RE IN? AND SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO A 360, YOU GOT TO DO EVERYBODY.
IT'S NOT ONLY THIS SEGMENT AND THIS SEGMENT, IT IS EVERYBODY.
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AND THAT DOES INCLUDE AN EMPLOYEE SURVEY. AND SO I, I'M GLAD WE ADDED NINE.BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL'S ANNUAL RATING, THAT'S AN EASY ONE.
I MEAN, IT'S A BUCKET AND IT SHOULD BE. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ON A YOU KNOW, I MEAN, BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING ALSO TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. CAN SOMEBODY EXPLAIN HOW WAS THAT PUT ON THERE BY THE COMMITTEE OR WAS IT SOMETHING HOW AND I GUESS YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD.
IT WAS A COMMITTEE THING. I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED TO ASK PERMISSION TO ASK THE QUESTION TO, BUT IT WAS A COMMITTEE THING. AND SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS CHECKING THE BOX ON COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS LITERALLY A CHECK OF THE BOX.
THERE'S IT'S LIKE, WHAT IS THE OUTCOME FROM THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT? DID WE ACHIEVE X? BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU COULD PUT OUT COUNTLESS VIDEOS, RIGHT? COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, YOU COULD PUT OUT CALLS TO, YOU KNOW, TO THE COMMUNITY.
THAT'S COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. BUT I GUESS WHAT IS A TANGIBLE REACTION THAT WE WANT FROM THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND I DON'T SO WELL, IT'S ON MY TIME AND I ONLY GOT A MINUTE AND A HALF LEFT BECAUSE I HAD TO REPEAT THE QUESTION. OKAY.
AND SO I AGREE A STRATEGIC PLAN, BUT WE HAVE TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT STRATEGIC PLAN.
AND I THINK WE'VE HAD FOUR ATTEMPTS TO DO THAT.
SO I GUESS WE'RE AT IT AGAIN. BECAUSE AGAIN, HOW DO YOU, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN, THEN HOW DO YOU FORMULATE YOUR TACTICS AND HOW DO YOU DEVELOP YOUR RESOURCES TO DO IT? IT'S A WHOLE. SO I MEAN, GRADING SOMEBODY ON SOMETHING THAT'S JUST BASICALLY A SHOT IN THE DARK.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT PROJECTS DELIVERED ON THE PLAN.
AND OKAY, SO THAT'S ON THE CITY MANAGER. ON THE CITY ATTORNEY.
I MEAN, A LOT OF THESE JUST SEEM A LOT OF THEM ARE READING JUST SEEMS TASKS LIVING WITHIN BUDGET.
WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? IF YOU'RE NOT LIVING WITHIN YOUR BUDGET, YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GET CALLED TO THE PRINCIPAL'S OFFICE. AND SO, BUT THE THING ABOUT IT IS YOU'RE LIVING WITHIN BUDGET WITH WHAT, WHAT IS THE OUTCOME THAT WE WANT WITHIN LIVING WITHIN THEIR BUDGET? DOES THAT MEAN, YOU KNOW. AND SO TO ME, LIVING WITHIN THEIR BUDGET IS PART OF THEIR JOB.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT IT JUST SEEMS WE'VE GOT A LOT OF TASKS ON HERE.
LOOKING AT THE CITY SECRETARY, I BROUGHT IT UP.
WELL, ONE OF THEM IS BECAUSE IT'S A CITY, IT'S A IT'S A STATE LAW.
TEN DAYS. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE MAYBE IT SHOULD BE IN FIVE DAYS.
YOU HAVE 80% TURNAROUND. SO THOSE ARE AND I'LL DO ON SECOND ROUND.
THANK YOU. I SEE MISS STUART'S HAND IS UP SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND GO WITH YOU, MISS STEWART.
THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. FIRST THING I WOULD SAY, I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS RIDLEY AND BLACKMON ABOUT GIVING THE STAFF A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THESE DIFFERENT BENCHMARKS AND GIVE US THEIR INPUT WHATEVER.
I THINK WE'LL DO A BETTER JOB OF EVALUATING THEM IF WE HAVE THAT.
AND THEN SECONDLY AS I WAS GETTING READY FOR TODAY'S MEETING, I FELT LIKE WE'RE MISSING.
I DO FEEL LIKE WE'RE MISSING SOMETHING UNDER CITY ATTORNEY'S BENCHMARKS.
AND I THINK MAYBE MY STAFF HAS BEEN ABLE TO PASS THAT OUT TO YOU ALL.
AND THEN I REALIZED THAT WAS REALLY BROAD. SO I TRIED TO BREAK IT DOWN INTO THINGS LIKE DID WE GET THE GUIDANCE IN A TIMELY MANNER? DID IT HELP AVOID ISSUES OF PROBLEMS THAT THAT COULD HAVE BEEN THAT WHEN POSSIBLE, IT COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED.
DID THE CITY ATTORNEY PROVIDE STRATEGIC LEGAL ADVICE? DID THEY PROVIDE CLEAR OPTIONS AND HELP US EVALUATE RISK? AND THEN IS THE ADVICE GROUNDED IN SOUND LEGAL ADVICE AND APPLICABLE LAW? WAS THE ADVICE NOT OVERLY SIMPLIFIED BUT ALSO WAS IT UNDERSTANDABLE.
AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE ARE ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO TO EVALUATE WITH A NUMBER THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH.
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AND EXECUTIVE SESSION WHO'S VERY OFTEN IN THE SPOT OF EVALUATING THE GUIDANCE AND STRATEGY THAT'S BEING RECOMMENDED OR PROPOSED.SO CERTAINLY UP FOR DISCUSSION YOU GUYS CAN GIVE ME OBVIOUSLY SHOULD AND COULD GIVE ME FEEDBACK ON THAT, BUT I JUST THOUGHT WE HADN'T REALLY GOTTEN TO THE CRUX OF WHAT A CITY ATTORNEY DOES, ESPECIALLY WHAT IT DOES FOR COUNSEL.
AND SO I WANTED TO INCLUDE THIS AS AN ADDITIONAL BENCHMARK.
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW. SO THANK YOU.
OKAY. SO NOW, MR. GRACEY, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION. I WANT TO START FIRST BECAUSE SOMEBODY MADE A POINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, INCLUDING THE, THE DIRECT REPORTS THAT THAT REPORT TO US, INCLUDING THEM IN THIS PROCESS.
SO I WANT TO JUST ASK CHAIR MORENO, WHAT WAS THE SCIENCE BEHIND NOT INCLUDING THEM IN THIS PHASE OF THE PROCESS? SURE, I'LL GIVE MY INPUT IF THAT'S OKAY. MAYOR.
THANK YOU. AND THEN I'LL, I THINK LEPORE HAS HER HAND UP AS WELL.
AND SO THE THOUGHT IS THESE ARE OUR DIRECT HIRES.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WASN'T WHAT APPEARED TO BE INFLUENCE WHEN THE CONSULTANT WORKING DIRECTLY WITH THE DIRECT HIRES AND THAT THAT COMMUNICATION WAS SOLELY BETWEEN COUNSEL AND THE CONSULTANT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT AS WELL.
SURE. YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. I DO THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA FOR YOU ALL TO SHARE THE PERSPECTIVE THE POTENTIAL KPIS WITH THE STAFFERS. BUT I DID WANT TO EXPLAIN THE MOTIVATION BEHIND THAT, WHICH MIGHT BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FROM PERSPECTIVE FROM SOME PERSPECTIVES IN THE ROOM.
THEY COULD GIVE PERHAPS SOME INSIGHT REGARDING THE CITY OF DALLAS OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN THE ROOM, YOU KNOW, INCLUDING OURSELVES SINCE THEY'VE BEEN DOING THE JOB.
BUT I WANTED TO ALSO HIGHLY CAUTION YOU WHILE YOU'RE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM DIRECTLY THAT YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THESE KPIS SHOULD BE STRICTLY DESIGNED FOR THE ROLES AND FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND NOT SPECIFICALLY FOR THE INDIVIDUALS IN THOSE ROLES.
AND I FIND THAT TO BE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE FACT THAT THESE ARE VERY HIGH LEVEL MEASURES THAT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE, YOU KNOW, ENTIRE CITY. SO THAT WOULD JUST BE THE CAUTION.
I DO THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO GET THEIR PERSPECTIVE, BUT KEEPING IN MIND THAT AS THESE ARE BEING DESIGNED, THEY'RE NOT DESIGNED FOR INDIVIDUALS. THEY'RE DESIGNED FOR THE ROLE.
AND SO ANY INPUT THAT THEY GIVE, YOU KNOW, THAT SHOULD BE IN CONSIDERATION.
AND THE OTHER ASPECT I WOULD WANT TO REITERATE AS WELL IS BEFORE ANY KPI, YOU KNOW, IS USED FOR EVALUATION, THERE SHOULD BE AN INFORMED THAT HAPPENS INFORMING THEM THESE ARE THE FINAL KPIS.
THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL BE EVALUATED AGAINST FOR THE NEXT PERIOD OF TIME.
YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT IS A QUARTERLY OR BI ANNUAL OR ANNUAL EVALUATION.
AND OUR SUGGESTION IS THAT THEY HAVE AT LEAST 4 TO 6 MONTHS TO PERFORM.
AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE OF THESE FINAL KPIS, SHOULD YOU BE HAVING CONTINUOUS CONVERSATIONS? OUR SUGGESTION IS YES, GIVING THEM CONTINUOUS FEEDBACK.
BUT JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS ALWAYS 4 TO 6 MONTHS OF THEM BEING AWARE OF WHAT THEY'RE BEING EVALUATED AGAINST BEFORE THEY RECEIVE AN ACTUAL FORMAL EVALUATION FOR THOSE KPIS.
OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. THAT MAKES MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
AND IN OTHER WORDS, WE WANT TO WE, WE DON'T WANT THEM TO GIVE THE ANSWERS TO THEIR OWN TEST IN ADVANCE BEFORE THEY'VE GOTTEN FEEDBACK, OR WE'VE PUT SOME SORT OF FRAMEWORK IN PLACE THAT WAS CREATED BY THE, THE PEOPLE THEY REPORT TO, I GUESS TO UNDERSTAND THAT, OKAY. THE NEXT, THE NEXT QUESTION IS, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF THESE THINGS.
AND SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS, THEY CAN BECOME, YOU KNOW, JUST A BUNCH OF LIST OF COUNTING WIDGETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I GUESS SOME OF. ONE OF THE QUESTION IS HAVE WE CONSIDERED OR GONE THROUGH.
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BUT LOOKING AT AT THE DEPARTMENT LEVEL, LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS THAT THEY ARE ALREADY TRACKING, AND I'M GOING WITH CHAIR RIDLEY WAS MAKING THE POINT ABOUT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS A GREAT POINT IN TERMS OF HOW DO WE MEASURE SOMETHING, BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO GET TO WHAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THESE INDICATORS THAT ARE MAKING THIS CITY BETTER WITHIN ALL EACH ONE OF THESE ROLES.AND HE MENTIONED THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT SPEAKS TO HOW A CITY IS MOVING.
AND I GUESS WHERE I'M GOING IS HAVE THESE HAVE THE DEPARTMENTAL LEVEL KPIS BEEN REVIEWED TO CONSIDER WHICH ONE OF THESE MAY BE FOR THE SAKE OF. AND I DON'T MEAN THIS IN A NEGATIVE WAY, BUT FOR THE.
FOR THE SAKE OF COUNTING WIDGETS FROM A KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATOR PERSPECTIVE, HAVE WE LOOKED AT THE STAFF LEVEL PERFORMANCE MEASURES TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS MAY BE ONE THAT WE WANT TO APPLY TO THE CITY MANAGER.
SO CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? IF YOU'RE ASKING, I KNOW.
WELL, HAVE WE HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE STAFF'S KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATOR? I MEAN, THE DEPARTMENT LEVEL KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS TO SEE WHICH ONES WOULD MAY APPLY BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU GOT FROM US.
THE DECISION WAS MADE TO NOT SHARE THOSE. SO WE WERE NOT ABLE TO BUILD UPON ANY OF THE INFORMATION.
OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH, FAIR ENOUGH. ALL RIGHT. WELL THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR THIS WORK.
I, I DON'T I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT A LOT OF WHAT SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ALREADY SAID THERE FOR THE CITY ATTORNEYS IN PARTICULAR, THE I PUT THAT OUTSIDE COUNCIL EFFECTIVENESS ONE AND MAYBE COMBINING THAT INTO TWO.
BUT AGAIN, WHEN I THINK ABOUT THESE INDICATORS, IT'S OKAY, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THIS INFORMATION? ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ONCE IT'S BEEN COUNTED OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH IT? AND I PUT THIS IN THERE FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.
BUT AT SOME POINT, IF IT'S A CERTAIN TYPE OF CASE THAT KEEPS COMING THROUGH THE OFFICE, I WANT THIS IN THERE BECAUSE ONE, I WANT TO KNOW THE SUCCESS RATE OF THE LAW FIRMS THAT WE'RE USING.
NUMBER ONE. AND IF THEY'RE NOT HAVING GREAT SUCCESS, ARE WE CONTINUING TO USE THEM? THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, IF WE KEEP HAVING THESE TYPE OF CASES AND WE'RE USING THESE SAME FIRMS, DOES IT MAKE SENSE FROM A HIRING PERSPECTIVE TO MAYBE HIRE SOMEBODY IN TO SERVE THIS ROLE VERSUS SPENDING MONEY TO OUTSOURCE IT? SO FROM A KEY PERFORMANCE, THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS I WANTED TO PUT IT IN HERE, IS WHERE ARE WE GOING WITH THESE KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS AND WHAT HAPPENS ON THE OTHER SIDE, AND WHAT TYPE OF DECISIONS IS IT GOING TO LEAD US TO MAKE? AND FOR ME, THAT'S WHY I INCLUDED THAT ONE IN THERE.
SO I'LL STOP THERE FOR THIS ROUND. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. GRACEY. COUNCILWOMAN MENDELSOHN.
YOU HAVE FOR FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY PROFOUND DISAPPOINTMENT IN THIS COUNCIL'S FAILURE TO FULFILL ONE OF OUR MOST BASIC RESPONSIBILITIES.
CONDUCTING PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS OF THE INDIVIDUALS WE EMPLOY TO LEAD THIS CITY.
HOW DYSFUNCTIONAL IS THIS CITY COUNCIL IN THIS CITY THAT WE CAN'T DO A BASIC PERFORMANCE REVIEW ON TIME? MORE THAN A YEAR AGO, WE COULD HAVE ACCEPTED AN OFF THE SHELF PERFORMANCE REVIEW FORM.
WE COULD HAVE ACCEPTED THE BASIC FORM PROVIDED FOR FREE BY THE INTERNATIONAL CITY COUNTY MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION OR OTHER ASSOCIATIONS THAT WOULD GOVERN OUR DIRECT REPORTS.
AND WE COULD HAVE PERFORMED A PERFORMANCE REVIEW, BUT INSTEAD WE SPENT TAXPAYER DOLLARS HIRING A CONSULTANT, HELD ADDITIONAL MEETINGS, AND CREATED AN UNNECESSARILY COMPLICATED PROCESS CUSTOMIZED FOR DALLAS.
AND WHAT DO WE HAVE TO SHOW FOR THAT TIME AND THAT MONEY? WE HAVE MORE PROCESS, WE HAVE MORE DELAYS, AND WE STILL HAVE NO PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS.
THIS IS, FRANKLY A FAILURE OF OUR LEADERSHIP.
AND BY THAT, I MEAN EVERY ONE OF US, THE ADMINISTRATIVE AD HOC COMMITTEE, WHICH HAS ALLOWED A FUNDAMENTAL OVERSIGHT RESPONSIBILITY TO BECOME AN EXTENDED BUREAUCRATIC EXERCISE.
I HAVE OPPOSED IN THE STRONGEST WAY, RIGHT UP TO THE POINT THAT I HAD TO WRITE OUT MY COMMENTS TODAY FOR FEAR OF AN ETHICS VIOLATION. MEANWHILE, OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR BUSINESSES ARE LOSING CONFIDENCE IN THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
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THEY WANT ACCOUNTABILITY, TRANSPARENCY AND MEASURABLE RESULTS.OUR CITY SECRETARY, BILLY RAY JOHNSON, LAST RECEIVED A PERFORMANCE EVALUATION APRIL 2025.
A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, OUR CITY MANAGER, KIM TOLBERT, BECAME THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS AND FIVE MONTHS AGO, AND IS NOW SERVED AS THE PERMANENT CITY MANAGER FOR APPROXIMATELY ONE YEAR AND NINE MONTHS.
POINT OF ORDER, MAYOR. WHAT'S YOUR POINT OF ORDER? I THOUGHT WE WERE GIVING FEEDBACK ON THE KPIS AND THE PROCESS, NOT DIATRIBE ON RETROACTIVE ACTIVITY.
WELL, THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT HOW IT'S POSTED. TIMELY PERFORMANCE EVALUATION SHOULD BE A PRIORITY.
EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU. JUST ASKING IF WE COULD GET BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND.
INSTEAD OF SPENDING ALL OF OUR TIME TALKING ABOUT WHAT HASN'T HAPPENED AND THINGS OF THE PAST, INSTEAD OF WHAT'S AGENDA TO BE TALKED ABOUT TODAY.
THANK YOU. I SUPPORT THAT. COUNCILWOMAN MENDELSOHN.
CAN WE JUST STAY WITH THE PROCESS AND WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON AND NOT THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW? WELL, I AM TALKING ABOUT THE PROCESS AND I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS.
AND IF YOU FIND IT'S OUT OF ORDER, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
I'M SAYING THAT IT'S OUT OF ORDER. CAN WE STICK WITH WHAT'S GOING ON WITH WITH THE AGENDA SAYING.
THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO CALL FOR EVERY OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCE EVALUATION TO BE COMPLETED BEFORE THANKSGIVING THIS YEAR. I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER THE SUGGESTION IN THIS PROCESS THAT FOR EVERY AGENDA MEETING WE HAVE WHERE WE HAVEN'T COMPLETED AN EVALUATION, THAT THE CITY SECRETARY READ A NOTICE AND REMIND THE PUBLIC THAT WE HAVE NOT YET COMPLETED THAT EVALUATION. AND IT'S OVERDUE. EVERY SINGLE TIME, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY EASY FOR PEOPLE TO FORGET ABOUT IT.
I'M NOT SURE HOW WE CAN HOLD OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE WITHOUT DEMANDING SOME SORT OF WAY PUBLICLY TO DO THAT. AND THAT'S PART OF THIS EVALUATION. IN THE AD HOC COMMITTEE MEETINGS, I HAVE PROVIDED DETAILED INPUT.
I THINK IT'S FASCINATING HOW THIS HAS BEEN PRESENTED IN THIS REPORT, WHERE ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE IT OUTSIDE OF THE MEETING HAVE THEIR INFORMATION INCLUDED. SOME THINGS FROM OUR MEETING HAVE BEEN ADDED, SOME HAVE NOT.
ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT HAS NOT IS THERE'S NO RECOGNITION ABOUT STAFF TURNOVER BEING AN ISSUE.
WE HAVE AN EXTREMELY HIGH STAFF TURNOVER IN THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR OUR NON-SWORN PERSONNEL.
I WAS REMARKING TO MY NEIGHBOR HERE ABOUT HOW MANY CIOS WE'VE HAD CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICERS, AS WE'VE HAD TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES TODAY. BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT HOW MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE WE'VE HAD DALLAS ANIMAL SERVICE, OUR ORG CHART IS EVER CHANGING IN THE WRONG WAYS.
THERE'S A DISCUSSION THAT'S JUST HAPPENED ABOUT SHOULD THE PERSON IN THE ROLE HAVE A SAY IN WHAT THESE ITEMS ARE? AND I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THAT HAPPENING.
I'M HAPPY TO HEAR WHAT THEY THINK. THE MEASUREMENT LEVEL OF WHAT WE THINK THEY SHOULD BE EVALUATED ON SHOULD BE, BUT NOT HELP THEM DESIGN A TOOL TO EVALUATE THEMSELVES.
THAT'S REALLY INCREDIBLE. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN WILLIS.
THANK YOU. WELL, I'LL CIRCLE BACK AROUND THREE MINUTES. JUST ABOUT HAVING I DON'T THINK IT'S PUTTING A THUMB ON A SCALE TO ENGAGE IN A PRIVATE SECTOR PRACTICE OF A COLLABORATING WITH OUR LEADERSHIP ON WHAT WE THINK APPROPRIATE GOALS ARE.
BUT I TALKED ABOUT CITY MANAGER BEFORE, SO I'D LIKE TO GO TO INSPECTOR GENERAL NOW.
AND I THINK WE HAVE INTERIM INSPECTOR GENERAL ELIASON ONLINE.
THIS IS STILL SUCH A NEW OFFICE TO US. I THINK AN OFF THE SHELF FORM IS NOT REALLY APPROPRIATE.
INSPECTOR GENERAL HAS WEIGHED IN ON SOME. SOME OF THESE GOALS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE THERE, MR. ELIASON, BUT I'LL JUST GO ON AND JUMP IN IF YOU ARE.
SPEAK UP. BUT I'M HERE. OKAY, GREAT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS NUMBER ONE IS PROBLEMS ACTUALLY FIXED? I THINK WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT WHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT CONTROL.
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SURE. AND I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY ADDRESSED THAT.WELL, I DON'T HAVE MUCH MORE TO ADD THAN THAT.
THERE ARE JUST THINGS THAT ARE THAT ARE OUT OF OUR CONTROL, BUT WHAT IS IN OUR CONTROL IS FINDING THE FACTS AND REPORTING REFERRALS AND HOW DEPARTMENTS RESPOND OR DON'T RESPOND ON NUMBER THREE AND FOUR.
CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
AND BY THE WAY, I DIDN'T IDENTIFY MYSELF AS AN INTERIM INSPECTOR GENERAL.
APOLOGIES. I TO TO COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN POINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, APPOINTED POSITIONS, PROVIDING SOME INPUT INTO HOW THINGS ARE MEASURED. I THINK THIS ONE, AS AN EXAMPLE, WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR A DIALOG BETWEEN US.
IN OUR PARTICULAR CASE, WE, WE MEASURE THE TIMELINESS OF COMPLETING THE COMPLAINT REVIEW AND INVESTIGATION PROCESS BY COMPLEXITY LEVELS, BECAUSE WE CAN'T CONTROL THE FLOW OF CASES THAT COME IN, BUT THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT.
EVERYTHING FROM COMPLETELY NOT RELATED TO THE CITY AND THERE'S NO JURISDICTION.
AND THOSE ARE EASY TO REFERRALS TO SHORT, STREAMLINED INVESTIGATIONS TO VERY COMPLEX INVESTIGATIONS.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE, I THINK, OF A REFINEMENT TO THE KPI WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT TAKING AN AVERAGE OF EVERYTHING BECAUSE IT ALMOST, AND I'M NOT BEING CRITICAL OF DOCTOR FLOURNOY'S WORK.
I'VE BEEN VERY IMPRESSED. I'M JUST SAYING RIGHT HERE A LITTLE MORE NUANCE I THINK WOULD GIVE THE COUNCIL MORE TO WORK WITH IN EVALUATING OUR WORK ON THAT PARTICULAR ASPECT OF THE KPIS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE OTHERS THAT ARE MORE COMPLEX THAT HAVE 180 DAYS.
YES, MA'AM. OKAY. I THINK THAT JUST ADDRESSES THAT.
SO MAYBE YOU CAN CIRCULATE THAT FOR COLLEAGUES TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
I WILL DO THAT. AND I DID ASK MY I'M, I'M ON VACATION.
I'M OUT OF TOWN, BUT I DID I DID ASK FOR THAT TO BE SENT OUT EARLIER TODAY.
I'LL MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENED. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
SURE. I'LL GO BACK NOW TO CITY SECRETARY. I WILL SAY THAT ON THE RECORD REQUEST ANSWERED.
I DO FEEL LIKE WE'RE HAVING ISSUES THERE AND WE NEED TO SHARPEN THAT ONE FOR SURE.
I WANT TO GO BACK TO. OH THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART, I LIKE YOUR SUGGESTIONS AND FOR REALLY THINKING ABOUT HOW WE WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND WHAT'S MOST HELPFUL TO COUNCIL ON CITY MANAGER.
I'M GOING BACK TO SOMETHING THAT'S CONCERNING TO ME.
WE DON'T HAVE DEPUTIES NOW. I MEAN, BEFORE WE HAD TWO DEPUTY CITY MANAGERS, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ARE SETTING OURSELVES UP VERY WELL RIGHT NOW FOR WHAT THAT SUCCESSION PLAN LOOKS LIKE AND HOW WE'RE DEVELOPING THE DIRECTORS AND THE A C MS AND THEN A DEPUTY CITY MANAGER OVER A 24 MONTH ROLLING PERIOD. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT LIVE SOMEWHERE, AND I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHERE THAT CAN GO.
AND I THINK FINALLY, TO THE POINT ABOUT COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY AND I VISITED WITH HIM ABOUT THIS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHILE I DEFINITELY THINK IT SHOULD BE A BIG FACTOR, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S TOTALLY OBJECTIVE. YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A COUNCIL THAT HAS A MINDSET OF OF GROWTH AND GROWING PROPERTY VALUE AND OUR TAX BASE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. COUNCIL. COUNCILWOMAN.
WILLIS. NOW WE HAVE JESSE. MORENO. COUNCILMAN MORENO.
THANK YOU. MAYOR. I TOTALLY AGREE. WE SHOULD HAVE THESE EVALUATIONS DONE.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. HOW MANY DIRECT HIRES EMPLOYEES ARE WE
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REQUIRED TO EVALUATE CURRENTLY? TODAY, ONE. JUST ONE.I BELIEVE SO, YES. PER CONTRACT. OKAY. THE RESIDENT SATISFACTION FOR COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKMON. I BELIEVE WE'RE TYING THAT TO THE RESIDENT SURVEY AND SEEING WHAT THE RESULTS ARE FROM THE SURVEY, AND THAT'S HOW WE'RE EVALUATING THE RESIDENT SATISFACTION.
BUT I'LL LET LIPARA CHIME IN ON THAT ONE. YES, THAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT WOULD BE BASED UPON A SURVEY THAT WOULD BE DISTRIBUTED TO THE RESIDENTS. OKAY.
IS THAT A FAIR BENCHMARK TO LOOK AT? I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES, WHETHER HOW THE ECONOMY IS DOING THROUGHOUT THE NATION, HOW IT'S DOING HERE LOCALLY. ARE WE PROVIDING THE DOLLARS FOR POSSIBLE RELOCATIONS OF CORPORATIONS? SO CAN YOU JUST LET US KNOW WHAT YOUR PROFESSIONAL THOUGHTS ARE ON PUTTING IN A BENCHMARK LIKE GROWTH AND ECO DEV? THAT WOULD BE A CHALLENGING ONE TO SAY. DEFINITELY WOULDN'T BE THE MOST OBJECTIVE, YOU KNOW, BY OBJECTIVE, NOT NECESSARILY THAT ANYONE WOULD SUBJECTIVELY INTENTIONALLY MEASURE IT OR SKEW IT EITHER WAY, BUT IT DEFINITELY WOULD BE ONE THAT'S MORE DIFFICULT TO, TO ISOLATE THE, THE CAUSE, THE CAUSING VARIABLES WHETHER IT'S FEDERAL FACTORS OR LOCAL FACTORS OR JUST IN GENERAL TECHNOLOGICAL CHANGES WITHIN THE, THE NATION, YOU KNOW, OR THE GLOBE, THERE JUST ARE MANY FACTORS THAT CAN IMPACT THE LEVEL OF GROWTH IN A POSITIVE WAY OR NEGATIVE WAY.
IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT YOU CANNOT MEASURE IT OR WE COULD NOT WORK TO FIND SOME MEASURES, BUT IT DEFINITELY WOULD BE, WOULD BE ONE THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO ISOLATE.
THE CAUSES MORE SO THAN THE OTHER ONES THAT ARE INCLUDED.
OKAY. AND I THINK THE THE NOTES IN RED ARE FROM DELIVERED FROM THE ONE ON ONES.
I DO BELIEVE IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN. I FIND IT DIFFICULT ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THAT STRATEGIC PLAN WHEN WE CAN'T EVEN GET INTERVIEWS DONE WITH COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO DELIVER THAT.
SO THAT, THAT ONE IS SOMETHING THAT I SUPPORT.
I JUST KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE A TALL ORDER FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DELIVER ON A STRATEGIC PLAN.
THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. COUNCILMAN.
ADA. BAZALDUA. YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU.
MAYOR. SO I WILL JUST SAY I'M VERY HAPPY THAT WE ARE FINALLY GETTING A STREAMLINED FORMAL PROCESS. I WOULD AGREE WITH SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD.
I DO BELIEVE THERE NEEDS TO BE A PROCESS FOR ALL OF THE DIRECT APPOINTEES.
I THINK THIS IS ONE THAT ISN'T ABOUT WHAT THE CHARTER HAS OUTLINED.
WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT THE EXECUTIVES OF OUR ORGANIZATION AND HOW THEY COMPARE TO THE TALENT THAT WE EXPECT TO ATTRACT IN OUR CITY AND WITHIN THE CITIES ORGANIZATION. AND I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A STANDARDIZED PROCESS THAT EVALUATES THEIR PERFORMANCE. WITH THAT SAID, THOUGH, I WOULD SAY THAT IF WE DID SPEND THE MONEY FOR A CONSULTANT AND LEAN ON THE EXPERTISE OF WHAT THESE PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS LOOK LIKE WITHIN THE INDUSTRY AND PEER CITIES I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH US NOT GETTING THESE NARROWED DOWN TO THE RECOMMENDATION OF OUR PAID CONSULTANT, AND THEY'VE MADE IT VERY CLEAR WITH REALLY GOOD REASONING ON WHY 3 TO 5 KPIS SHOULD BE THE STANDARD SET FOR EACH OF THESE POSITIONS.
THAT'S NOT REFLECTED IN WHAT WE ARE BEING GIVEN TO CONSIDER.
SO I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY HAS CHIMED IN TO GIVE THEIR FEEDBACK, SOME ON HIGH LEVEL, SOME ON THINGS THAT DON'T REALLY PERTAIN TO TODAY, BUT I THINK THAT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO GET SOME SORT OF FEEDBACK CONSENSUS FROM TODAY WHEN WE WALK AWAY TO KNOW HOW WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THESE CARDS MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH OUR PROCESS THAT'S ONE THING THAT HAS NOT BEEN IRONED OUT. AND AT THE VERY LEAST, WE SHOULD AT LEAST PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO SEE IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS TO DO WHAT IS NEEDED TO DO IN WHATEVER THAT EXERCISE LOOKS LIKE.
TO NARROW THESE DOWN TO ONLY FIVE. AND I WILL START BY SAYING THAT IS MY RECOMMENDATION.
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I THINK 3 TO 5 WAS RECOMMENDED. FIVE TO ME ACCOMMODATES THE MAXIMUM OF WHAT THEY'VE SUGGESTED, BUT IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR US, I THINK, TO PINPOINT THE PRIORITY PIECES THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED ON THE SCORE CARDS THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US.I THINK THAT THERE ONE IN PARTICULAR, I WILL SAY, AND THE FEED, MY FEEDBACK IS ON THE PAGE AS WELL.
I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS IN LARGE OUR JOB AND EVEN SUBORDINATES OF THE CITY MANAGER, BUT TO PUT THAT UNDER A, ONE OF THE TOP FIVE METRIC POINTS FOR THE TOP EXECUTIVE OF OUR ORGANIZATION IS A LITTLE BIT OUT OF TOUCH. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY CEO THAT IS EXPECTED TO HAVE DIRECT ENGAGEMENT WITH CLIENTELE OF WHATEVER SAID BUSINESS THAT THEY'RE RUNNING AND THAT SHOULDN'T BE AN EXPECTATION OF THE TOP OF OUR ORGANIZATION TO BE DOING SO.
I AM VERY ADAMANT ABOUT THE NARROWING DOWN OF THIS PARTICULAR SCORECARD.
THE CITY MANAGER'S NOT INCLUDING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND US AT LEAST HAVING THAT DISCUSSION.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, I'VE ALREADY GIVEN MY FEEDBACK ON THE OTHERS, BUT JUST AS I TOLD THE CONSULTANTS, I DON'T WANT TO SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT WHICH ONES WE PRIORITIZE AND WHICH ONES WE DON'T.
IF WE HAVEN'T EVEN IRONED OUT, HOW MANY ARE GOING TO END UP ON EACH CARD.
ONCE WE HAVE A NUMBER OF HOW MANY ARE GOING TO END UP ON EACH CARD, IT'S A BETTER GUIDING FACTOR FOR US TO DECIDE WHICH ONES NEED TO BE SHAVED, WHICH ONES MAY NEED TO ADD, ETC.. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S MY FEEDBACK.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO TALK AROUND IN CIRCLES IF WE DON'T GET A CLEAR DIRECTION AND GUIDANCE OF, OF HOW MANY KPIS WE WANT ON EACH OF THESE SCORECARDS, MY VOTE OR STRAW POLL, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PUT IT WOULD BE TO BE FIVE TO TO LIMIT THEM TO FIVE FOR EACH OF OUR APPOINTEES AND TO CONTINUE WITH THE PROCESS TO HAVE EVALUATIONS FORMAL FOR ALL OF THE DIRECT APPOINTEES TO THE COUNCIL.
THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. I SEE, I SEE YOUR HAND, MR. COUNCILWOMAN CADENA. YES. I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO TO MOVE FORWARD.
I DO ALSO AGREE THAT WE NEED TO MAYBE RUN THESE BY OUR DIRECT REPORTS BECAUSE I THINK THEY CAN PROVIDE US WITH SOME GUIDANCE AS WELL. YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, LIKE IF WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ENGAGEMENT SURVEY OR IF THERE'S OTHER TOOLS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, AND WE'LL NEED TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW TO DO THAT AS WELL.
AND THEN ALSO LIKE WHEN AS A FORMER EMPLOYEE, I KNOW THAT I WAS ALWAYS ASKED ABOUT MY PERFORMANCE AND THEN WAS ABLE TO BE A PART OF THE PROCESS. SO I WOULD THINK THAT WE COULD DO THAT AS WELL FOR OUR DIRECT REPORTS AS WELL, BECAUSE THEY COULD BETTER REFINE MAYBE SOME OF THESE AND MERGE THEM TOGETHER AS WELL.
NOT TO SAY THAT WE'RE GIVING AWAY ANY OF OUR POWER, BUT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME INPUT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE PROCESS. BUT I THINK MAYBE LIMITING IT TO FIVE WOULD BE SUPER HELPFUL AS WELL.
SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANKS. THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN. COUNCIL MEMBER. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
MISS FLOURNOY, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT PROVIDE KPIS FOR CITY MANAGER LEVEL POSITION RELATING TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? AND WHAT WERE THOSE? IMMEDIATELY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I CANNOT THINK OF ANY, BUT I, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY DON'T EXIST. THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD HAVE US TO RESEARCH AND REPORT BACK REGARDING.
THE MACRO WOULD BE HOW MUCH THE PROPERTY ASSESSED VALUATION INCREASED DURING THE COURSE OF THE YEAR, AND THE MICRO WOULD BE THE NUMBER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT THE CITY MANAGER PROPOSES TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
THAT ELIMINATES THE UNCERTAINTY OF THE DECISION OF THE CITY COUNCIL WHETHER OR NOT TO APPROVE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, AND I THINK THAT COMBINATION OF METRICS WOULD PROVIDE A FAIR EVALUATION OF HOW WE'RE DOING ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
WITH RESPECT TO COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART'S THREE NOTIONS ABOUT EVALUATION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.
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I THINK THEY'RE ALL VALID CONSIDERATIONS. I THINK THEY ALL CAN FALL WITHIN ITEM SEVEN, WHICH IS THE COUNCIL'S ANNUAL RATING. THERE ARE OTHER IMPORTANT CONSIDERATIONS, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY RISE TO THE LEVEL OF A FREESTANDING KPI, BUT THEY ARE CERTAINLY VALID CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE COUNCIL WHEN DOING OUR ANNUAL RATING OF THAT POSITION.THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN. BLACKMON.
THANK YOU. SO IF I COULD, I'D LIKE TO ASK MR. MORENO TO CLARIFY A STATEMENT. YOU SAID THAT THE RESIDENT SATISFACTION WOULD BE IN PLACE OF AN EMPLOYEE SATISFACTION SURVEY. I DIDN'T KNOW, OKAY.
I'M SORRY. I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE ANNUAL SURVEY FOR THE RESIDENT SATISFACTION, NOT THE EMPLOYEE.
OKAY. BECAUSE I THOUGHT BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. OKAY.
AND THEN OF COURSE, COUNCIL IS EASY TO GAIN BECAUSE IT'S JUST BASICALLY GIVING FEEDBACK.
WELL, IT'S EASIER SAID THAN DONE. NEVER MIND.
THANK YOU. SO I AGREE WITH FIVE AS WELL. AND ON SOME OF THESE WE CAN MAYBE EVEN GO 4 OR 3.
I'M WONDERING, MISS FLOURNOY, ABOUT SUBFACTORS.
AND IF SOME JUST NEED TO NOT BE PART OF THE PROCESS.
FOR THIS, THIS PARTICULAR YEAR. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH? I'M SURE I COULD SEE THAT AS A POSSIBILITY. I THINK IT JUST REALLY DEPENDS UPON THE NUMBERS THAT YOU ALL NARROWED DOWN.
SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
BUT SUBFACTORS CAN ABSOLUTELY BE BENEFICIAL AS LONG AS IT'S CLEAR.
YOU KNOW WHAT THE VARIABLES AND THE RELATIONSHIPS ARE THAT EXIST.
BECAUSE WHAT YOU WANT TO ENSURE IS THAT IF ANYONE WAS TO LOOK AT THE WAY THAT THE STAFFERS ARE BEING EVALUATED AGAINST ANY MEASURES, WHETHER THEY'RE COUNCIL MEMBERS GOING THROUGH THIS LONG PROCESS OR AN EMPLOYEE IN THE CITY OR EVEN SOMEONE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY THAT THEY CAN UNDERSTAND HOW TO REPEAT THAT MEASUREMENT IN AN OBJECTIVE WAY. ALL RIGHT.
THIS IS ABOUT STRATEGIC PLAN. SO WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE PIECES THAT WE HAVE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS HAVE DONE PLANS THAT ARE AT DIFFERENT STAGES, BUT WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE THREAD THAT'S WEAVING THEM TOGETHER.
AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. I HAVE SAT HERE AND TALKED ABOUT IT AND SAID, I'M HAPPY TO HELP LEAD A CHARGE OR DO WHATEVER I NEED TO DO TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN FOR A CITY OF OUR SIZE. SO HOW DO YOU SEE THAT BEING ABLE TO HAPPEN? HOW WOULD WE BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT AND MEASURE YOU ON THAT? THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND I WANT TO ACTUALLY RECOGNIZE COUNCILWOMAN BLACKMON.
BECAUSE I THINK FOR WHAT? FOR YEARS, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE NEED FOR A STRATEGIC PLAN.
I MEAN, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS OUTSIDE THIS ROOM ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF IT.
AND SO I'LL JUST START WITH. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCILMEMBER WILLIS, I'LL START WITH IF YOU LOOK AT MOST CITIES AND YOU LOOK AT HOW PERFORMANCE PLANS ARE DEVELOPED AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT COMES WITH DEPARTMENTAL PLANS, WHICH I DO SUPPORT, I SUPPORT, AND I HAVE SEVERAL. IN FACT, I'M SITTING HERE NOW GOING THROUGH THE NEW STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A CENTRALIZED PLAN AND ALL OF THE PLANS AROUND WHAT DEPARTMENTS ARE THEN DEVELOPING, THEN SUPPORTS THAT PLAN. SO WE DON'T HAVE A CENTRALIZED STRATEGIC PLAN.
IT WOULD BE A WASTE OF TIME AND WE DID NOT NEED IT.
IN ONE OF MY INTERVIEWS, I SAID THAT WITHOUT A STRATEGIC PLAN, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR A CITY MANAGER TO TRULY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS PRIORITY. AND IF WITHOUT IT, WE END UP WITH 100 DIFFERENT PRIORITIES AND THOSE PRIORITIES CHANGE EVERY SINGLE DAY.
AND SO WE'VE HAD OPPORTUNITIES IN THE PAST, AND I KNOW MAYBE THAT DIDN'T WORK AS WELL.
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THE PLAN SHOULD REFLECT COUNCIL'S PRIORITIES, SHARED PRIORITIES.IT MAY NOT BE EVERY SINGLE THING THAT WE NEED TO DO ACROSS EVERY SINGLE CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE THOSE OVERARCHING GOALS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
AND THEN IT MAKES IT VERY EASY AT THAT POINT FOR ME TO ENSURE THAT NOT ONLY THE PLANS AT THE DEPARTMENT OF LEVEL, BUT THE PERFORMANCE PLANS THAT I DO EVEN FOR MY EXECUTIVE TEAM AS WELL AS FOR OUR DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS, ASSISTANT DIRECTORS, AND DOWN THE LINE ALL THEN TIE TOGETHER.
SO WITHOUT THAT OVERALL PLAN, I MEAN, WE CAN WE CAN DO THE ONE OFFS, BUT IN MY OPINION, IT'S NOT REALLY GOING TO GET YOU TO, I THINK THE TYPE OF A RESULT AND THE TYPE OF IMPACT THAT YOU WANT.
AND SO I WOULD RECOMMEND TO EITHER UTILIZE AN OUTSIDE EXPERTISE.
I WAS THE STRATEGIC PLAN GURU FOR THE TOLLWAY AUTHORITY DURING THE TIME THAT I WAS THERE.
ONE NEW YORK, THE BIG STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WAS DONE BY THE CITY OF FORT LAUDERDALE, THE STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WAS DONE BY THE CITY OF BALTIMORE, THE STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WAS DONE BY THE CITY OF ATLANTA.
MANY OF THOSE CITIES ALSO USED THE OPPORTUNITY TO PULL THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY IN.
AND SO THEY DID STRATEGIC VISIONING. THEY SET IT UP AND THEY CREATED COMMITTEES.
SO THERE ARE MANY STRUCTURES OUT THERE. COUNCILWOMAN WILLIS, THAT WORK.
I THINK IT WOULD REALLY BE THE WILL OF THIS COUNCIL OF WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE.
AND THEN WE WOULD DEFINITELY DO THE WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE COUNCIL.
THIS CAN'T BE THE CITY MANAGER'S STRATEGIC PLAN.
SO WHETHER I'M TALKING ABOUT VISION ZERO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
ALL THESE PLANS THAT EXIST. THERE'S STILL NO UMBRELLA THAT TIES EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
SO WE'RE STILL DOING A LOT OF ONE OFF PLANS AT THE DEPARTMENT OF LEVEL.
SO THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME KEEP GOING. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN RIDLEY, YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE.
WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY.
COUNCILWOMAN. STEWART. AND THEN WE'LL GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.
MY APOLOGIES. COUNCILWOMAN. I SEE YOUR HAND. GO AHEAD.
I DO SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS AS WE WORK ON THESE KPIS.
AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT OUR PRIORITIES DURING THE BUDGET SEASON WE'VE GOT TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER WHERE WE HAVE A GUIDING DOCUMENT THAT SAYS, THIS IS WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT, AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO REFERENCE BACK TO THAT AND LET THAT BE OUR OUR GUIDE.
I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF BRINGING IN THE COMMUNITY.
I KIND OF THINK THEY HAVE AN OPINION JUST BY LOOKING AT FACEBOOK THESE DAYS.
SO I THINK BRINGING THEM IN WOULD, WOULD BE A POSITIVE.
AND ANYWAY, I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKMON.
SHE HAS SHE HAS BEEN A PROPONENT OF THIS FOR A LONG TIME.
AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK COUNCILMEMBER WILLIS FOR ARTICULATING THE NEED.
SO I THINK WE'RE THERE. AND I WOULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD.
THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM I, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW.
THANK YOU. CHAIR STEWART CHAIR. CHAIR. RIDLEY, YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE.
SO WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? HOW DO WE CONCLUDE THIS PROCESS? WE NEED TO MOVE SWIFTLY ON THIS SO WE AREN'T DEBATING THESE KPIS FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.
WE NEED TO ESTABLISH A TIME PERIOD BEFORE WE DO THE ACTUAL EVALUATIONS.
BUT BEFORE WE CAN START THAT TIME PERIOD, WE'VE GOT TO REACH AGREEMENT ON THESE.
DOES THIS REQUIRE FORMAL COUNCIL ACTION? CITY ATTORNEY.
ONCE EVERYTHING IS FINALIZED, YOU SHOULD ADOPT IT AS A RESOLUTION.
OKAY. WHEN CAN WE GET THIS SCHEDULED FOR A RESOLUTION ON THE AGENDA? WE'VE ONLY GOT TWO MORE AGENDA MEETINGS THIS YEAR.
YEAH, AFTER NEXT WEEK. MR. MORENO, DO YOU HAVE ANY INSIGHTS ON THAT? YEAH. MAYOR CAN I? YEAH. ARE YOU FINISHED? YEAH.
YOU CAN USE MY TIME. WHAT'S LEFT? OKAY. WELL, HE HAS A MINUTE LEFT. SO. SO.
SO WHAT I WOULD. ON YOUR LAST 30S, YOU'RE ON YOUR TIME.
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ENGAGE IN ANY QUORUM ISSUES BY SENDING THOSE TO COUNCIL MEMBERS.AND TO SEND THEM DIRECTLY TO THE CONSULTANT SO THAT YOU CAN COME BACK.
AND THAT WE CAN VOTE ON THIS. SO SEND THEM TO TIME FRAME.
I MEAN, I'LL, I'LL GO ON MY, I'LL GO ON. OKAY.
YOU HAVE A YOU HAVE A MINUTE. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY.
HOLD ON. YOU COUNCIL MEMBER. BAZALDUA. HE HE HASN'T BEEN LEFT YET.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. MAYBE IT'S GOOD THAT YOU WILL SAVE YOURS, BECAUSE MAYBE YOU CAN CLEAR IT UP, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO. SO WE HAVE FIVE. CAN I GET AN ATTORNEY'S OPINION THOUGH? I THOUGHT THAT THERE WERE LIKE THE I GET THE WALKING QUORUM PIECE, BUT ISN'T THERE SOME EXCLUSIONS WITH PERSONNEL MATTERS? LIKE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS WOULD VIOLATE IF WE WERE TO ALL SEND SOMETHING.
I GUESS WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS A TRANSPARENT TALLY OF WHAT IS BEING TURNED IN AND WHAT HAS THE MOST VOTES AND WHY IT'S MOVING FORWARD.
I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO RELINQUISH THAT ENTIRE IN ITS ENTIRETY TO THE CONSULTANT BLINDLY.
I DON'T KNOW IF I QUITE UNDERSTOOD THE LAST PART OF OF WHAT YOU ASKED FOR.
SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE, LIKE TO GO TO LIKE A BULLETIN BOARD WHERE PEOPLE WOULD SEE WHAT YOU GUYS DO? I'M JUST NOT CLEAR WHAT YOU ASK, POSSIBLY IF THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD TAKE.
BUT I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT BECAUSE THIS IS BEING ABOUT PERSONNEL AND PERFORMANCE EVALUATION THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, LIKE ALL SEND A DOCUMENT TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF IN THE DISTRICT TWO OFFICE, FOR INSTANCE, FOR THEM TO SORT OUT INTERNALLY.
MR. MAYOR, COULD THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAVE JUST A SECOND TO TALK WITH A COUPLE OTHER.
I THINK OUR CONSULTANT ALSO. YES. THAT'S FINE.
IS IT OKAY FOR ME TO SPEAK? I WASN'T SURE. YEAH YOU CAN.
WHILE THEY'RE WHILE THEY'RE TALKING. WELL, BASED ON OBVIOUSLY CONTINGENT UPON WHAT WHAT LEGAL RECOMMENDS I WAS GOING TO SAY ONE SUGGESTION SORT OF LIKE IN THE MIDDLE COULD BE WE GATHER THE INFORMATION, BUT THERE IS A PUBLIC TALLY REGARDING HOW EACH COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTED ON THOSE FIVE.
AND SO THAT WAY YOU ARE VERIFYING THE FIVE THAT YOU ARE RECOMMENDING.
SO WHILE WE MAY TALLY IT, THERE'S ALSO A PUBLIC VERIFICATION.
SO EVERYONE CAN SEE HOW ALL OF THEIR PEER COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTED AND SELECTED THE FIVE THAT THEY CHOSE AND ARE ABLE TO PUBLICLY VERIFY THAT THAT'S JUST ONE, ONE OPTION THAT MIGHT SAVE TIME.
ALSO HAVING THAT, I LIKE IT, BUT IT'S ADDING ONE STEP THAT I THINK IS UNNECESSARY.
I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE ANY TYPE OF VOTE.
BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SEEN WHAT IT WAS NARROWED DOWN FROM WHO SUBMITTED WHAT, ETC.. SO COULD YOU PROVIDE A MATRIX THAT'S, THAT'S TRANSPARENT ON WHAT WERE TURNED IN FROM EACH COUNCIL MEMBER AND HOW THE, THE FINAL FIVE WERE WERE DECIDED UPON. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS RECOMMENDING.
BUT PERHAPS YOU MENTIONED VOTING AT THE END TO CONFIRM, AND I DON'T.
YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. MR.. MR. ATTORNEY. AFTER SOME CONSULTATION, AS LONG AS Y'ALL ARE NOT SHARING THE INFORMATION WITH EACH OTHER IN A WAY THAT CREATES A QUORUM, THAT'S ONE ISSUE. CORRECT? THE OTHER WOULD BE I WOULD SAY THAT PROBABLY GOING THROUGH THE CONSULTANT, THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE HIRED FOR.
THEY CAN CREATE THE DASHBOARD. SO THE INFORMATION WE PUT OUT TRANSPARENTLY, I BELIEVE.
OH I'M SORRY. I BELIEVE PROBABLY GOING THROUGH THE CONSULTANT WOULD BE THE THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO DO IT TO AVOID ANY, ANY OVERLAP OF INFORMATION GOING TO EVERYBODY.
AND I'M SURE THE CONSULTANT CAN PROBABLY THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE HIRED FOR TO CREATE A DASHBOARD OR WHATEVER INFORMATION YOU'D LIKE TO GET OUT. YEAH, WE SORTED THAT OUT WHILE Y'ALL WERE TALKING. OH THANK YOU. YES, YOU'RE YOU'RE WELCOME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BUT FOR FUTURE REFERENCE, IS THERE ANY IS THERE ANY AVAILABILITY WITH FOR US TO IN OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES, LIKE FOR IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE CHAIR OF AD HOC AND WE WERE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK, ETC., WITH PERSONNEL MATTERS, IS WOULD IT HAVE BEEN SUFFICE FOR US TO SEND TO DISTRICT TWO STAFF? THAT IS SOMETHING WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO LOOK INTO AND GET YOU AN ANSWER ON. I DON'T WANT TO JUST GIVE YOU A DRIVE BY OPINION. PERFECT. THANK YOU. AND I DO APPRECIATE THE,
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THE, THE WORK THAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE. AND IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S FINE, THAT WE CAN HAVE A PUBLIC FACE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PUBLIC FACING INITIALLY, BUT IF THERE IS A TRANSPARENT DASHBOARD OR MATRIX OF SOME SORT THAT WE CAN SEE THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY MY ONLY FEEDBACK TO WHAT MR. MORENO MENTIONED. I LOVE THE THOUGHT OF US GETTING TO SIT IN OUR, OUR FIVE AND THEN IF THAT'S NARROWED DOWN TO THE TOP FIVE AND THEN WE JUST MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE. THAT'S, I THINK, VERY EFFICIENT.SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. BAZALDUA.
COUNCILWOMAN. MENDELSOHN. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
COUNCILWOMAN. MENDELSOHN. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
THANK YOU. I THINK IF WE DO THIS MATRIX PROCESS, THAT'S PROBABLY ALL THAT NEEDS TO BE SAID.
AND I'LL JUST SUBMIT MY COMMENTS THAT WAY. THANK YOU.
SORRY. I SEE, I SEE A HAND. I CAN'T SEE THE NAME.
SORRY. IT'S LEPORE CONSULTANT. YES. GO AHEAD PEOPLE.
YES. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE ONE SUGGESTION.
AND THAT IS THAT THAT YOU HAVE ALIGNMENT AS FAR AS THE TIME FRAME FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO RESPOND.
SO SAY FOR EXAMPLE, YOU DO NOT GET FULL CONSENSUS RESPONDING AFTER, SAY, X NUMBER OF REMINDERS.
WHAT IS GOING TO BE THAT TIME FRAME THAT YOU ALL AGREE THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE TO RESPOND AND THEN CLOSE THE SUBMISSION OF THE RECOMMENDED KPIS? GO AHEAD. BURT BECAUSE THIS IS A BRIEFING AGENDA, THEY CAN'T REALLY TAKE A VOTE.
MAY I JUST SUGGEST THAT THE CONSULTANT GIVE A REASONABLE TIMELINE AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT? OKAY. NOW, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE YOU KNOW, NO MORE THAN TEN DAYS ANYWHERE FROM 7 TO 10 DAYS FOR, FOR THE RESPONSE TO BE GATHERED AND COLLECTED.
AND OF COURSE, DURING THAT TIME FRAME, WE WOULD GIVE AS MANY AS FOUR REMINDERS TO THOSE OUTSTANDING I WON'T SAY VOTES, BUT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE KPIS. SO I THINK KNOWING THIS BODY, I WOULD IMAGINE TEN DAYS WOULD BE A REASONABLE TIME.
THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO. YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE.
THANK YOU. MAYOR. WELL, I JUST WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUES FOR PARTICIPATING AND ENGAGING IN THIS.
KNOWING THAT EVERYBODY IS SO INTERESTED IN THIS AND TRYING TO GET THEIR COMMENTS IN, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HOPE THAT EVERYONE HAS THEIR FIVE BY THE END OF THE WEEK SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A QUICKER TURNAROUND AND THAT WE CAN START EVALUATING OUR DIRECT HIRES.
AND SO I JUST WANT TO THANK THE CONSULTANT FOR.
THEIR HELP IN THE PROCESS SO FAR AND LOOK FORWARD TO BEING ABLE TO ADOPT THIS.
THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU. THERE'S NO MORE SPEAKERS, SO I WILL TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
I THINK I WOULD RECOMMEND AND THINK THAT THE KPI PERFORMANCE FOR OUR.
SORRY. HERE WE GO. FOR OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES OUTCOME BE SUSTAINABLE GROWTH AND A COMPETITIVE BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT FOR OUR PRIMARY MEASURES, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE TIMELINES OF DEVELOPMENT, REVIEW AND PERMITTING ALONGSIDE MEASURABLE ECONOMIC OUTCOME.
MEDIAN DAYS TO PROCESS COMPLETE PERMIT APPLICATIONS BY PERMIT TYPE.
ALSO JOB CREATION, PRIVATE INVESTMENT AND TAXABLE VALUE GROWTH INTERPRETED IN CONTEXT COMPLIANCE AND REALIZE FISCAL IMPACTS OF DEVELOPMENT AND INCENTIVES ALSO FOR OUR.
CITY MANAGER, COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT, PLEASE? THANK YOU SO MUCH, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, I THINK IF YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT AS ONE OF THE KPIS TO INCORPORATE, I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER REALLY BROUGHT UP AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ONE EARLIER ONE THAT WOULD DEFINITELY TIE IT TO
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DELIVERY ON NOT ONLY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, BUT THE WORK THAT HAPPENS TO GET TO THE PROJECTS.I THINK I HEARD YOU READ OUT PERMITTING PROCESSING MAKING SURE THAT INCENTIVES AND THE ACTUAL OUTCOMES CREATE JOB CREATION AS WELL AS EXPANDING THE CITY'S TAX BASE.
AND SO IF IF THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT IF I THINK THAT THAT IS FEASIBLE AS A POTENTIAL KPI, I AM NOT AGAINST ANYTHING THAT DEFINITELY ALLOWS FOR US TO CONTINUE TO SHOW RESULTS.
AND I THINK ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE OUR ABILITY AND OUR WILLINGNESS TO ADDRESS A LOT OF THE ISSUES, WHETHER I'M TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, WHETHER I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WAYS THAT WE ARE MOVING PROJECTS THROUGH, THROUGH THE PIPELINE STRATEGICALLY. SO DEFINITELY WOULD SUPPORT WHATEVER COUNCIL ENDS UP MAKING AS THE TOP KPIS.
IT IS A DRIVING FORCE ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN OUR COMPETITIVENESS, AS WELL AS ENSURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR ONGOING WAYS TO NOT ONLY STRENGTHEN THE TAX BASE, BUT THAT NEEDS TO THEN DELIVER RESULTS TO THIS COMMUNITY.
SO THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THAT. AND DEFINITELY I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT AT ALL.
THANK YOU. ESPECIALLY ON THE ILLUSTRATIVE TARGET, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE MOST IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH THE PERMANENT SERVICES STANDARDS. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.
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SECTION FIVE FIVE, 1.07, ONE OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT ON THE FOLLOWING MATTERS DESCRIBED ON TODAY'S AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER THREE AND FOUR. THE COUNCIL MEETING HAS COMPLETED ITS CLOSED SESSION UNDER SECTION 551.07, ONE OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT. THE TIME IS 429.ON OCTOBER 21ST. WE HAVE RETURNED TO OPEN SESSION.
THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED. WE DO NOT HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.