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THE GALLERIA AND HERE AT NORTH PARK CENTER, DALLAS BUSINESSES BENEFIT DIRECTLY FROM YOUR CHOICE TO SPEND IT IN DALLAS.YOUR PURCHASES ALSO JUST THE ADDITION
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OF SENSE OF ARCHITECTURAL EVOLUTION AS THOUGH IT HAS DEVELOPED OVER TIME RATHER THAN APPEARING AS A BRAND NEW INTERVENTION.THE SHUTTERS ARE ALSO FUNDAMENTAL TO THE HOME'S SPANISH REVIVAL STYLE.
AND FOR EXAMPLE, WERE ORIGINALLY PRESENT ON THE FRONT FACADE AS DOCUMENTED IN A 1920S PHOTOGRAPH SHORTLY AFTER ITS CONSTRUCTION.
WE HAVE REPLICATED THE SHUTTER DESIGN FROM THAT PHOTOGRAPH AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE.
AND AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, WE WOULD RESTORE THE SHUTTERS TO THE FRONT FACADE AS SEEN IN THE PHOTOGRAPH, THEREBY TYING THE STYLING OF THE ADDITION SHUTTERS TO THAT OF THE ORIGINAL HOME'S DESIGN.
SO WE BELIEVE THAT THIS DESIGN CAREFULLY BALANCES PRESERVATION AND LIVABILITY, RESPECTS THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF THE RAYWORTH WILLIAMS HOUSE, AND REPRESENTS A THOUGHTFUL APPROACH TO PRESERVING THIS IMPORTANT LANDMARK INTO THE FUTURE.
ARE OTHER SPEAKERS HERE? OH, OKAY, MR. MR. AVITON, IF YOU COULD, UH, GIVE US YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND, UH, PROMISE
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TO TELL THE TRUTH.UM, MY NAME IS NOEL AVITON, ADDRESS IS 700 PAULIS AVENUE, AND I SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.
I AM ONLY HERE IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS, UH, IF ANY.
UM, AARON HAS, UH, UH, ELABORATED, UH, NICELY ON WHAT OUR GOALS ARE, AND, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH AARON OVER THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS, UH, TESTING DIFFERENT DESIGNS, UH, THE PROS AND CONS THAT HAVE LANDED, UH, TO WHAT HE, LANDED ON WHAT HE HAS JUST SHOWN, UH, TO BE THE BEST, UH, DESIGN BOTH AESTHETICALLY AND FUNCTIONALLY FOR OUR GOALS.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
ALL RIGHT, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE SHUTTERS.
UH, IN THAT FAMOUS PICTURE OF THE HOUSE WHERE, SEE THOSE SHUTTERS, THEY ARE ONLY ON THAT VERY SPECIAL WINDOW.
DOES IT SEEM AT ALL ODD TO EITHER OF YOU TO ALSO APPLY THEM TO MUCH LESSER WINDOWS
UM, AGAIN, WE, WE TESTED MULTIPLE DESIGN, UH, LOOKS AND, UH, THOSE, THOSE TWO FACADES ARE NOT SEEN, UH, TOGETHER.
UH, AND SO TO YOUR POINT, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S, UH, REALLY A CONCERN.
OUR BIGGEST, UH, GOAL WAS TO FIND THE RIGHT BALANCE, UH, IN TERMS OF, UH, A WALL, UH, THAT, UH, WITHOUT SHUTTERS, UH, SEEMED A LITTLE, UH, UNINTERESTING.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH.
UH, IT'S, IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD, UH, IF WE WERE TO REMOVE THOSE SHUTTERS, BUT, UH, THAT'S THE REASON WHY, UH, WE'VE CONTINUED TO SHOW THEM.
AND, UH, AM I ABLE TO ALSO COMMENT ON THAT? YEAH.
AND YES, SO I'D REITERATE THAT.
SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, LIKE NOEL SAID, THE BALANCE AND OVERALL COMPOSITION OF THIS SIDE ELEVATION.
SO THE, THE SHUTTERS, EVEN THE SHUTTERS AT THE DOUBLE WINDOWS, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, REALLY KIND OF CREATE THIS SENSE OF RHYTHM ON THAT SIDE ELEVATION.
UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PROPOSED PORTION OF THE SIDE ELEVATION IN COMPARISON TO THE EXISTING HOUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CERTAIN WINDOW TO WALL RATIO AT THE EXISTING HOUSE AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WINDOWS ARE KIND OF MARCHING ALONG.
AND SIMILARLY, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE THAT KIND OF RHYTHM AT THE PROPOSED ADDITION.
UM, I THINK IT'S ALSO HELPFUL, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THE, THE SHUTTERS AT THE DOUBLE WINDOWS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO HAVE THE SHUTTER AT THE FAUX WINDOW LOCATION, I THINK BY ALSO HAVING THE SHUTTERS AT THE DOUBLE WINDOWS, IT KIND OF REINFORCES THAT IDEA.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I, THE MAIN THING THAT THE STAFF BROUGHT UP WAS ISSUE OF SHUTTERS.
AND IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, THEN DOES SOMEONE HAVE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER PREZIOSI? I GUESS I HAD A QUESTION.
WHERE, WHERE ARE WE STANDING ON THE...
SO THE APPLICANT WOULD STILL LIKE THE SHUTTERS ON THE SIDE ELEVATION, UM, TO THE TWO WINDOWS, OR THE PAIR, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.
SO I GUESS WE'RE WAITING FOR AN OPEN.
I SHOULD JUST SIT THERE AND WAIT FOR THE MOTION.
WHY, WHY DID YOU THINK BECAUSE YOUR, YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE SHUTTERS NOT BE THERE? YES, BECAUSE THEY WERE, UM, WE DISCUSSED THIS, WE, WE SAT DOWN AND IT'S JUST NOT, YOU DON'T USUALLY SEE, USUALLY SEE SHUTTERS ON THE OUTSIDE OF TWO PAIRED WINDOWS LIKE THAT.
USUALLY YOU SEE THEM, YOU KNOW, SINGLE WINDOWS.
SO WE JUST DIDN'T THINK IT WAS NOR - YOU KNOW, A NORMAL THING IN GENERAL, MAYBE NOT IN THAT DISTRICT, BUT IT'S UP TO YOU ALL IF YOU BELIEVE THEY'RE APPROPRIATE OR NOT.
IT, IT, WE JUST THOUGH THAT THEY, THEY JUST ARE NOT NORMAL.
THEY'RE NOT USUALLY SEEN IN THAT CONTEXT.
THEY'RE NOT USUALLY SEEN IS A BETTER WAY TO PUT THAT.
YEAH, NOT NOR - YEAH, THEY'RE NOT USUALLY SEEN ON WINDOWS THAT ARE PAIRED LIKE THAT IN THAT DISTRICT.
BUT THERE'S NOTHING IN THE ORDINANCE THAT SAYS IT CAN'T BE THERE.
COMMISSIONER HARPER? YEAH, I DID WANNA CLARIFY IN, IN Y'ALL'S COMMENTS
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ABOUT THE SHUTTERS, THE SINGLE - IS A FAUX WINDOW.WHAT THEY LABEL AS A DECORATIVE LOUVER.
UH, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THAT? AND BASICALLY Y'ALL'S RECOMMENDATION, DOES IT INCLUDE ILLUMINATING THAT WINDOW? NO, THAT, THAT ONE WE WERE OKAY WITH BECAUSE YOU WOULD'VE HAD A, A SHUTTER ON A SINGLE WINDOW.
IT IS JUST A FAUX WINDOW THOUGH.
THEY, I BELIEVE, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, ERIN AND NOEL, THESE WERE PUT THERE TO BALANCE.
SO THERE WASN'T A BIG OPEN SPACE ON THE WALL BECAUSE IN THE PAST, COMMISSION USUALLY POINTS OUT WHEN THERE'S A WALL WITH SAY ONLY ONE WINDOW AND THE REST IS BLANK.
I MEAN, THAT BLANK FACADE WITHOUT IT IS NO GREATER THAN THE BLANK FACADE ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
SO TO ME, THAT WOULDN'T BE BOTHERSOME.
IS THERE ANY PRECEDENT ON HISTORIC HOMES OF THIS TYPE TO HAVE FAUX LOUVER SHUTTER OPENINGS? I, I DON'T - 'CAUSE TO ME, THAT'S MORE TROUBLESOME THAN WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE SHUTTERS ON THE WINDOW.
WE DON'T SAY PRECEDENCE, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN IT
THIS HOUSE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THOUGH THAN ANYTHING IN JUNIUS.
SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, THEY'RE USING THE SHUTTERS IN THE FRONT TO MIMIC ANOTHER FAUX WINDOW.
THAT WOULD BE THE BACK, RIGHT? OR SIDE.
THE, THE ARCHED FAUX SHUTTERS, THAT, THAT'S A FAUX WINDOW AS WELL.
SO IT'S JUST TO CREATE BALANCE, YOU KNOW.
UM, HONESTLY, BECAUSE THAT SIDE WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DOUBLE SHUTTERS, IT'S ONLY GONNA BE SEEN FROM A PARKING LOT.
UH, STAFF IS, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS JUST OUR INITIAL FEELING, BUT WE'D BE OKAY WITH WHAT COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO, THE, IT WAS A GOOD DESIGN IN GENERAL, THE ENTIRE, UM, ADDITION.
SO AT THIS POINT, IT'S JUST LITTLE DETAILED WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE OR NOT SEE.
AND BEING THAT IT IS GONNA BE OBSCURED A LITTLE BIT BY THE FENCE AND THE SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL SEE IT.
ALWAYS SOMEBODY ELSE GOT SOMETHING TO SAY.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? UM, HOW MUCH OF THE WINDOW AND THE SHUTTERS WILL BE SEEN WITH THE FENCE? HOW TALL IS THE FENCE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE SHUTTERS AND THE WINDOWS? WILL THEY BE...
THE, THE FENCE IS APPROXIMATELY WHERE THAT DASH LINE IS DRAWN.
THAT DASH LINE IS NOT THE FENCE, BUT THAT'S THE, THE FINISHED FLOOR OF THE INSIDE OF MAIN LIVING SPACE.
BUT THE FENCE IS BELOW - OH, THERE YOU, YOU'LL SEE.
OH, SO THE, THE FENCE IS QUITE A BIT BELOW THE WINDOWS.
IT'S BELOW ALL THE WINDOWS AND THE PHONE AND THE SHUTTERS.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, SORRY, UH - NO, I'M FINE.
UM, I HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
WERE ANY COLORS, UM, SUBMITTED FOR THE, UH - COLORS? I BELIEVE IT'S GONNA ALL MATCH THE HOUSE, WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.
YOU MEAN - SO FOR INSTANCE, THE, FOR THE SHUTTERS.
FOR THE SHUTTERS, UM, I DON'T THINK...
DID WE HAVE COLORS, ERIN? OR WAS IT, IS IT...
THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROBABLY IN THERE.
THE QUESTION IS REALLY TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S A GREAT CONTRAST BETWEEN THEM AND THE - OR ARE THEY NOT GONNA BE - YEAH, SORRY.
I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO UNMUTE.
UM, YES, WE DO HAVE, UH, COLORS SPECIFIED.
AND IF IT'S ON THE DRAWING, IT'S IN THE DOCKET, SO I SHOULD HAVE PRESENTED IT.
UM, SO WE, WE HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE SHUTTERS, WE HAVE THIS COLOR, WHICH IS A, UM, VERY, UH, LIGHT BLUE, WHICH, UM, I THINK IN, IN THE HOMEOWNER'S RESEARCH, YOU
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KNOW, THEY FOUND THAT, THAT COULD HAVE EVEN BEEN ONE OF THE ORIGINAL COLORS TO THE HOUSE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.YOU'RE NOT SHARING ANYMORE, ERIN.
UM, THEY, THE COLOR AARON IS TALKING ABOUT IS A, A LIGHT BLUISH GRAY, AND IN OUR RESEARCH, THAT IS WHAT WE FOUND TO BE THE COLOR OF THE SHUTTERS THAT ARE ON THE PAULIS AVENUE.
SO IT'S NOT A GREAT CONTRAST BETWEEN THAT AND THE BODY OF THE HOME, RIGHT? JUST A LIGHTER BLUE, LIKE A LIGHT.
OH, I WAS JUST GONNA COMMENT AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE ALMOST AERIAL VIEW OF IT, OF WHAT THERE'S EXISTING, YOU CAN SEE THAT SIDE BETTER, UH, WITH THE ADDITION, WHERE THE ADDITION IS GOING.
AND THERE IS A, A PRETTY GOOD AMOUNT OF WALL SPACE THERE - UH-HUH.
UM, CURRENTLY BETWEEN THE, THE SMALLER WINDOW AND THE MORE REGULAR SIZE WINDOW.
YOU KNOW, SO IT COULD BE THAT WE COULD NOT ALLOW THE, UH, SHUTTERS AT THIS POINT AND THEN LOOK AT IT AND THEN IF THEY WANTED TO COME BACK LATER AND DO THE SHUTTERS LATER, UM, DO THAT, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY AS WELL.
AND ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE REAR ELEVATION? ALL, ALL THREE SHUTTERS ARE JUST THE PAIRED WINDOWS.
IN THE JUNIORS HEIGHT ORDINANCE, IS THE REAR NOT PROTECTED? FROM 50%.
SO THIS IS NOT A PROTECTED FACADE? TECHNICALLY NOT.
THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A, AGAIN, THIS IS A WONKY TYPE OF PROPERTY, BUT I WOULD SAY NOT NECESSARILY.
IT'S HARD BECAUSE IT'S A TRIANGLE, BUT- BUT IS THIS ON THE REAR - BUT THIS ALSO HAS ITS OWN CRITERIA.
AND DID YOU GUYS HIS OWN CRITERIA.
WHAT DID YOU MAKE AS A PROTECTIVE FACADE? I'M SORRY, YOU'RE RIGHT.
SO WHAT DOES THE CRITERIA SAY ABOUT THE REAR PROTECTION? DOES IT SAY ANYTHING OR DID YOU USE JUNIORS? WELL, THIS WOULD BE ITS OWN, ITS OWN - BUT THEY, BUT THEY USED JUNIUS HEIGHTS AND THEY'RE STILL MORATORIUM JUNIORS.
THEIR ORDINANCE HAS NOT YET BEEN, IT'S NOT COMPLETELY APPROVED, CORRECT? OH, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS FROM THE JUNIUS HEIGHTS MORE, UH, JUNIUS HEIGHTS, UM, INITIATION.
WE, THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE APPROVED IT.
ARE WE LOOKING AT THIS FROM THE, UH, INITIATION OF PROCESS OR THE, OR THE ORDINANCE WE'RE GONNA APPROVE TODAY? IT WOULD BE BEST TO LOOK AT IT FROM WHAT WE DISCUSSED ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT ORIENTATION OF IT.
GIVEN, AND YES, WE GAVE LESS PROTECTION TO THE PARK THAT YOU CAN'T KEEP IN THE FOOD.
SO THEY'D HAVE SOME PLACE TO MAKE A CHANGE IF THEY NEEDED TO.
WELL, MY QUESTION IS, IS THE REAR FACADE PROTECTED OR NOT? IT IS NOT.
THEN WHY ARE WE EVEN BOTHERING WITH IT? BECAUSE IT'S A FULL ADDITION.
WELL, WELL, IF IT'S NOT PROTECTED, IT'S KIND OF A - BUT WE, WE USUALLY - WE NEED TO KNOW IF IT'S PROTECTED OR NOT PROTECTED.
THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THIS CONVERSATION.
WE DON'T WANT THEM TO BE TOO EGREGIOUS IN THE CHANGES.
NOW, WE'RE NOT SAYING THIS IS.
OKAY, SO WHEN WE DO ADDRESS THE NON-PROTECTED ISSUES, WE DO HAVE SOME LEEWAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T ACTUALLY MAKE DO SOMETHING HORRIBLE THAT RUINS THE WHOLE THING.
IT STILL NEEDS TO BE COMPATIBLE.
YEAH, IT STILL NEEDS TO WORK WITH.
OR THIS IS MY WAY OF SAYING IT, WHICHEVER WAY YOU WANT TO GO WITH IT.
IT STILL NEEDS TO BE COMPATIBLE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE REVIEWING IT, BUT, UM, DO WE STILL HAVE? THEN IT'S COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS' TURN.
UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
I TOO HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT, UM, I THINK YOU PUT THE, THE PAIR OF SHUTTERS ON THERE.
I THINK IT STARTS CLUTTERING IT UP INSTEAD OF TRYING TO REDU - UH, THE OPPOSITE OF TRYING TO BLEND MORE INTO IT.
AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF SPACE, UM, O- O- OTHER PARTS OF THE HOUSE THAT'S BEEN NOTED BY COMMISSIONER PREZIOSA.
SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON APPROVING THIS.
UH, THE CASE OF 26-3469A, ADDRESS 700 PAULIS AVENUE.
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TO ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON APPROVING WITH CONDITIONS THAT THE PARISH SHUTTERS BE ELIMINATED FROM THE PROPOSED, UH, AND FOLLOW THE, UH, REST OF STAFFING, UH, APPROVAL ON, ON THIS CASE.I HEARD COMMISSIONER REEVES SECOND IT FIRST.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT.
THEN ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
WHO IS OPPOSED? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON IS IN OPPOSITION.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER IS IN OPPOSITION? ALL RIGHT.
IN THAT CASE, THEN THE MOTION HAS CARRIED.
UM, AND, AND STAFF CAN DISCUSS WITH APPLICANT ANYTHING THAT...
SO BASICALLY EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR THOSE BACK TWO SHUTTERS.
AND WE'LL GET YOU THE CA THIS WEEK.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
AND DID I SEE MS. ZEVITON EARLIER? I, I, I DIDN'T CALL ON HER TO SPEAK ON THIS, BUT IT WORKED OUT WELL, SO I HOPE SHE'S NOT OFFENDED BY THAT.
AND IT'S NOW TIME FOR D25, WHICH IS OUR FIRST REQUEST FOR PUBLIC MEETING ON.
RHONDA DUNN SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE AGENDA ITEM IS DISCUSSION ITEM D25.
THE ADDRESS IS 700 PAULAS AVENUE.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A LANDMARK COMMISSION AUTHORIZED HEARING TO CONSIDER AN HISTORIC OVERLAY FOR 700 PAULIS AVENUE, THE RAYWORTH WILLIAMS HOUSE AT THE INTERSECTION OF PAULAS AVENUE AND ABRAMS ROAD.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED SUBJECT TO THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA WITH MINOR ED- EDITS.
WELL, IT'S A DESIGNATION COMMITTEE.
DESIGNATION COMMITTEE IS TASK FORCE.
CHIEFS, TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
APPROVED SUBJECT TO THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA WITH EDITS AND A FINAL REVIEW PRIOR TO LANDMARK COMMISSION CONSIDERATION.
NO, FINAL DESIGNATION COMMITTEE WAS REVIEWED OCTOBER 21ST, 2026.
SO, UH, WE HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AGAIN, THE HOMEOWNERS.
UH, WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST? YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST.
UH, THIS IS NOEL AVITON, 700 PAULS AVENUE, PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
UH, WANNA THANK, UH, THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE, UH, FOR MONTHS OF, UH, BACK AND FORTH.
THIS APPLICATION, THIS INITIATION ACTUALLY STARTED, UM, I THINK IN LATE 2022 OR EARLY 2023.
AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S GONE BACK, UM, BACK IN FRONT AND WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE AT A VERY GOOD, UH, POINT IN, UH, THE CRITERIA AND THE NOMINATION FORM.
SO AGAIN, THANK YOU, UH, FOR YOUR HARD WORK.
UH, I'M ONLY HERE FOR QUESTIONS, IF ANY.
AND, UM, MS. AVITON? HI, THIS IS DELANEY AVITON, 700 PAULIS.
I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH, AND SAME AS MY HUSBAND.
I JUST WANNA, UM, THANK EVERYONE FOR THEIR, UM, TIME ON THIS, AND I AM JUST HERE FOR QUESTIONS AS WELL.
COMMISSIONERS? I WAS GONNA SAY, IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, I'M READY FOR THE MOTION.
UH, SO IN CASE NUMBER 26-3476A, 700 PAULIS AVENUE, I MOTION THAT WE APPROVE, UH, THE REQUEST, UH, FOR, UM, THE HISTORIC OVERLAY FOR 700 PAULIS AVENUE, UH, BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
I BELIEVE THE FIRST SECOND CAME FROM COMMISSIONER REEVES.
YOU HAVE TO HURRY TO BEAT HER.
SO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? COMMISSIONER HARPER? OH, I THOUGH YOU WERE GOING TO SAY SOMETHING.
WELL, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY ALL REALLY PLEASED THAT THE HOMEOWNER HAS BROUGHT THIS WONDERFUL HOUSE FORWARD.
UH, IF ONLY EVERYBODY WHO OWNED A SIGNIFICANT HOUSE WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK ON THAT AND, AND DO THAT, WE WOULD BE EVEN HAPPIER, BUT WE ARE VERY HONORED TO GET TO SEE THIS ONE BEFORE US.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
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YOU VERY MUCH.YOU KNOW WHAT HOME RENOVATION IS LIKE TO TEST YOUR MARRIAGE.
OKAY, NEXT UP WE HAVE, UH, D20.
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CIRCLE BACK AND DO C2 NOW.DO WE NEED A MOTION FOR THAT? NO.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 909 FIRST AVENUE.
IT'S IN THE FAIR PARK, FAIR PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A 10 FOOT BY 20 FOOT DIGITAL LED DISPLAY BOARD ON THE MUSIC HALL BUILDING MOUNTED TO THE NON-HISTORIC 1970S EDITION.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A 10 FOOT BY 20 FOOT DIGITAL LED DISPLAY BOARD ON THE MUSIC HALL BUILDING MOUNTED TO THE 1970S, TO THE NON-HISTORIC 1970S EDITION BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED NINE / 28 / 2026 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, THAT ANCHORING AND POWER SUPPLIES FOR THE SIGN BE ROUTED THROUGH EXISTING MORTAR JOINTS ONLY, THAT ALL ELECTRICAL CONDUITS AND ATTACHMENTS BE CONCEALED, AND THAT THE DISPLAY BOARD INCORPORATE AUTOMATIC DUST TO DAWN, DIMMING, AND NOT EXCEED 300 NITS AT NIGHT OR FIVE, 5,000 NITS DURING DAYLIGHT HOURS WITH ALL CONTENT AND ILLUMINATION LEVELS CALIBRATED TO PREVENT GLARE OR VISUAL INTRUSION INTO ADJACENT HISTORIC STRUCTURES OR PROTECTED VIEW CORRIDORS.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERION SECTION 9.2 UNDER SIGNS, THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51A-4.
501 SUBSECTION G6C ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND/OR NEIGHBORHOOD.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A 10 FOOT BY 20 FOOT DIGITAL LED DISPLAY BOARD ON THE MUSIC HALL BUILDING MOUNTED TO THE HI - NON-HISTORIC 1970S EDITION BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS: THAT ANCHORING AND POWER SUPPLY TO THE DEVICE BE THROUGH EXISTING MORTAR JOINTS AND THAT EXISTING BRICK MASONRY IS TO BE AVOIDED.
SORRY, WE WERE HAVING OTHER DISCUSSION.
WE HAVE A SPEAKER HERE ON THIS ISSUE.
MR. SANTOYO, WE NEED YOU TO BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
UH, MY NAME IS PAUL SANTOYO, UM, 1233 ROUND TABLE DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS.
AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU NEED TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT? AND THEN WE, WE MAY HAVE QUESTIONS.
UM, NO, JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, LIKE, UH, IT WAS DISCUSSED, WE HAVE A NOTE TO NOT TOUCH THE, THE BRICK AND WE'RE DRILLING INTO EXISTING MORTAR ONLY FOR ALL PENETRATION.
SO, AND THEN WE WILL FOLLOW ANY REQUIREMENTS FOR BRIGHTNESS AND, UM, AS LAID OUT IN THE CITY CODE.
WELL, THIS MORNING, PEOPLE CAME UP WITH A FEW OTHER CONCERNS, SO LET'S HEAR WHAT COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO SAY.
SPEAKING OF THAT, THERE WAS, UH, S - UH, SOME DISCUSSION AND I WANTED TO SEE WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ON, UH, WHETHER THIS WOULD BE, UM, APPROVED BY YOUR THINKING AS WELL.
UH, NOT ONLY THE BRIGHTNESS, UH, SUBJECTED TO THE DUST TO DAWN AS OUTLINED IN STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT ALSO TRYING TO UTILIZE THE SIGN IN, IN MORE OF A STATIC USE.
SO THE SIMPLICITY OF THE SCREEN CHANGING TO TRY TO LIMIT THE MOTION, UH, AND ALSO TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NOT THE UTILIZING OF THE BOARD, UH, CREATING LIKE MOTION AND SCREEN EFFECTS OF MOVEMENT, THAT KIND OF THING.
UH, YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M ASKING AND I WAS JUST GONNA SEE IF THIS WOULD BE, UH, UM, APPROVED ON YOUR LEVEL TO, TO THAT.
IT'S JUST AN INFORMATIONAL BOARD - UH-HUH.
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USED AS A, UH - FLASHING.A, UH, A DISPLAY OF MOVING LOTS OF LIGHT TO ATTRACT INATTENTION IN THAT, IN THAT WAY.
I THINK WE CAN, UM, THESE TYPE OF BOARDS, YOU CAN SET, IT HAS A COMPUTER IN THERE WHERE YOU CAN SET JUST STATIC IMAGES AND WE CAN WORK WITH, UM, THE CITY ON, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SET, YOU KNOW, AN IMAGE FOR THIS AMOUNT OF TIME AND THEN WE COULD HAVE, UM, A TIMER ON IT WHERE IT HITS, YOU KNOW, 5:00 PM AND WE CAN TURN THE BRIGHTNESS DOWN.
UH, YEAH, JUST A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, THE, THE NEED FOR THE USE OF THE, FOR THE PANEL SYSTEM.
I GUESS, WHAT ARE THE TENANTS OF THE BUILDING WANT TO USE IT? I MEAN, WHY, WHY IS THERE, WHAT IS THE REASONING FOR GOING DIGITAL VERSUS USING THE BANNER SYSTEM THAT THEY HAVE BEEN, UH, FOR A LONG TIME? UM, I WOULD HAVE TO TA - I WOULD HAVE TO ASK, UM, CHRIS, WHO'S THE, UM, HE'S THE DALLAS CITY HALL KIND OF PLANNER FOR THIS.
UM, WE ARE JUST THE MANUFACTURER...
WE'RE NOT THE MANUF - WE'RE JUST THE INSTALLER.
SO I THINK THEY'VE, I THINK THEY'VE WANTED TO GET A DIGITAL BOARD JUST AS, AS FAR AS LIKE EASY CHANGEABILITY AND LIKE, UM, STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT THE PANEL SYSTEM, THIS IS JUST HOW DAKTRONICS MAKES THESE DIGITAL BOARDS.
LIKE THEY COME IN PANEL PIECES SO YOU CAN, LIKE IF A PANEL, SAY A PIXEL MESSES UP, YOU CAN COME EASILY SWAP A PANEL OUT WITHOUT THE FULL DISPLAY.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS WOULD BE ON CONTINUOUSLY, BUT THEY WOULD, THE LIGHT LEVELS WOULD CHANGE AT NIGHT.
IS THAT CORRECT? THE BRIGHTNESS LEVEL WOULD BE LOOKED AT CAREFULLY ATNIGHT? SO THIS WOULD BE ON ALL THE TIME.
SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS HOW MANY PEOPLE GO BY THIS SIGN WHEN THERE'S NOT A SHOW OR SOMETHING GOING ON AT THE THEATER? IS THERE A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT GOES BY THE MUSIC HALL WHEN IT'S NOT IN USE? UM, I, I CAN'T REALLY ATTEST THE FOOT TRAFFIC.
I HAVEN'T - I THINK WHAT I'M GETTING TO IS IT SEEMS THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING TO THE MUSIC HALL, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO SEE WHAT'S, WHAT THE, THE SHOWS ARE.
HAVING IT ON TWENTY FOUR SEVEN WHEN LITERALLY NO ONE WILL BE THERE, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE TIME DOESN'T SEEM TO BE VERY PRACTICAL TO ME.
I THINK IT'S TOO MUCH FOR, TOO MUCH LIGHT FOR AS LITTLE VIEWING AS GONNA GET.
IS ANYBODY? I CAN GO JUST QUESTION FOR DR.
I'M JUST CURIOUS IN THE, IN THE GREATER FAIR PARK CONTEXT, ARE ANY OTHER CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS, DO ANY OTHER HAVE DIGITAL LED SIGNS ON THEM? ALONG THAT AREA, NO, NOT THAT I CAN RECALL.
REED? WHY DOES THE CITY OF DALLAS TELL HIM WHAT TO DO? WHAT? HMM? HE JUST SAID THAT SOMEBODY NAMED CHRIS AT CITY HALL IS THE ACTUAL DECISION MAKER, SO HE DOESN'T - SO WHY ISN'T HE HERE ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS? WELL, MAYBE WE, WE DID ONLY MENTION IT TO THEM TODAY.
I MEAN, WE TRIED TO GET THE...
THE STAFF TRIED TO GET SOMEONE HERE EARLIER, BUT IT DID NOT HAPPEN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MOTIONS ARE GOING TO BE, BUT I'M GOING TO...
I COULD CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND IF WE FELT WE NEEDED, UM, SOMEONE WHO COULD MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT, FOR SURE, THE FUTURE USE AND AGREE WITH THEM AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANT FOR THE MUSIC HALL, THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO THEM.
BUT IF THEY'RE NOT HERE TO SPEAK, THEN WE CANNOT TALK TO THEM AND WE MUST GO AHEAD AND DECIDE WHATEVER WE DECIDE.
MR. PREZIOSI, YOU WANNA GO AGAIN? SURE.
UH, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? OKAY.
MINE WAS M- MORE OF A COMMENT THAN A, THAN A QUESTION.
I GUESS IT'S, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A 1970S EDITION, IT'S A NON-PROTECTED FACADE, I, I, I, I DON'T THINK IT GOES WITH THE OVERALL THEME OF FAIR PARK.
AND I THINK IT COULD, THIS COULD HAPPEN ON OTHER BUILDINGS IF THIS GETS APPROVED.
AND I THINK WE COULD GET INTO DIGITAL SIGNBOARDS ALL OVER FAIR PARK ON THE NON-PROTECTED OR NON-HISTORIC FACADE, AND IT WOULD REALLY CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF FAIR PARK.
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REASONING, I'M NOT FOR THIS, UH, APPLICATION.UM, THERE ARE MUSEUMS THAT HAVE EVENTS COMING UP AND THEY COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS COMING AND THIS IS COMING.
UM, I THINK THAT THIS IS A NATURAL HISTORIC LANDMARK AND A BANNER THAT'S ILLUMINATED IS APPROPRIATE OR SOME KIND OF SIGNAGE THAT OTHER MUSEUMS AND BUILDINGS IN FAIR PARK HAVE.
BUT THIS COULD EASILY BECOME A SITUATION WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING AT THE COTTON BOWL ANNOUNCING ALL THE CONCERTS THAT ARE COMING UP AND ALL THE EVENTS COMING UP.
AND I THINK BEING A NATURAL HISTORIC LANDMARK, I WOULD PREFER NOT TO SEE THIS.
AND THAT'S WHY I WAS MAKING NOTE THAT IT WAS GONNA BE ON TWENTY FOUR SEVEN.
LITERALLY, WHEN PEOPLE COME TO THE MUSIC HALL, THEY WANNA SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A TWENTY FOUR SEVEN PERMANENT LIKE POLLUTION IN THE PARK.
WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THIS, UH, NOT WITH JUST THE LENS OF THE APPLICATION, BUT THE LENS OF FAIR PARK AS A WHOLE.
AND IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD VOTE ON TODAY? IS IT SOMETHING WE SHOULD TABLE TO HEAR ON WHAT THE REASONS ARE BEHIND THIS AND THEN LOOK AT IT THAT WAY? MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST, UH...
IF, IF WE WERE, LET'S HAVE STAFF, IF WE WERE TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE AND INVITE THEM TO COME AND REAPPLY, IS THERE TIME FOR THEM TO DO THAT FOR DECEMBER? UH, NOT DECEMBER.
WE'VE ALREADY PASSED THAT DEADLINE.
SO IT'D BE - SO IT'D BE JANUARY.
MADAM CHAIR - SO IS THERE A WAY TO TABLE IT UNTIL NEXT MONTH? VOTE ON IT.
MADAM CHAIR, I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY IT WITH PREJUDICE.
BECAUSE - WELL, GIVE THEM A CHANCE.
THEY, THEY COULD BE SO CONVINCING THAT WE'RE JUST ALL SO HAPPY.
THE QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT TABLING IS IF THE TABLING STOPS THE PROCESS, BUT IF A CA IS NOT APPROVED IN 60 OR SOME 90 DAYS, IT AUTOMATICALLY GETS APPROVED.
SO IF TABLING IT STOPS THAT PROCESS, BUT I DON'T WANNA GET STUCK WITH A RUNNING CLOCK.
SPECIAL TASK FORCE MEETING FOR IT IF I CAN GET THEM TO AGREE.
SO WE CAN DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE AND WE'RE HOPING THAT SHE WILL BE ABLE TO.
DOES ANYONE HAVE A MOTION? WELL, DOES A QUESTION FOR STAFF, DOES IT NEED TO GO BACK FOR A TASK FORCE? TASK FORCE? WELL, IT DOES - YOU'RE RIGHT.
THEY'VE ALREADY GIVEN THEIR OPINION ON THAT.
I, I HAVE A POINT OF REFERENCE.
IF WE, IF IT SEEMS MANY OF US IN THE HORSESHOE DOESN'T THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA, WHY ARE WE ASKING THEM TO COME BACK? I MEAN, IF WE DON'T LIKE IT, WE'LL DENY IT.
DON'T GET THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS IS GONNA COME BACK IN THE FUTURE MONTH AND EVERYTHING'S GONNA CHANGE, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO.
I GUESS THE REASON FOR IT COMING BACK IS SO THAT THE APPLICANT CAN BE HERE TO STATE THEIR CASE.
WHICH THEY ARE NOT HERE TODAY.
BESIDES THE, UM, INSTALLER, THE SIGN INSTALLER.
THE APPLICANT WORKS IN THIS BUILDING.
WELL, WE CANNOT GO DOWN AND SNATCH THEM.
AND THE APPLICANT MAY BE IN A MEETING WITH THE MAYOR FOR ALL WE KNOW.
INQUIRY DOES NOT CHANGE OUR EXPECTATIONS OF THEM.
THE APPLICANT THOUGH IT WAS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SO - MAY I MAKE A MOTION? YES, PLEASE MAKE A MOTION.
MAY I MAKE A MOTION? GO AHEAD.
TABLE C2909 AVENUE, UM, AND PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MONTH.
AND WE ARE ABLE TO DO THAT THEN IF WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
SECOND IS COMMISSIONER REEVES.
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE - OKAY.
CITY ATTORNEY IS NOT LOOKING AT ME WITH ALARM.
I, I'M READING THE ORDINANCE REAL QUICK, MADAM CHAIR.
NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT OR ANYTHING, BUT I'M SITTING HERE WAITING.
THE, THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT THE CAS BE DECIDED WITHIN 65 DAYS AND YOU'RE GONNA ASK ME TO DO MATH REAL QUICK AND PUBLIC.
SO THE APPLICATION IS FILED AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER.
BAD AT MATH, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE...
I BELIEVE THAT'S MORE THAN 65 DAYS FROM END OF SEPTEMBER TO DECEMBER.
SO A MOTION TO TABLE WOULD NOT BE AN ORDER, BUT YOU COULD DENY IT AND STAFF COULD.
SO THAT MOTION - WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
WOULD NOT WORK FOR OUR AIMS. CORRECT.
BUT IT HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED.
SO LET'S CLEARLY UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY.
THE GOAL OF THIS MOTION WAS TO HEAR IT
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NEXT TIME, BUT THIS MOTION WON'T ACCOMPLISH THAT.THE ALTERNATIVE OF DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE AND QUICKING FAST TRACKING IT TO GET HERE ON DECEMBER 2ND IS WHAT WORKS.
SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY NO.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? PERHAPS COMMISSIONER.
AND AGAIN, THE SECOND IS COMMISSIONER REESE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
WHAT?
STAFF WILL TALK TO THE OTHER CITY STAFF
ADVOCATE FOR THEIR DESIRES ON THIS.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 10 NONSUCH ROAD.
IT IS THE STANLEY MARCUS HOUSE.
THE CASE NUMBER IS COA-26-518.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR EXTERIOR REHABILITATION OF THE NON-ORIGINAL LIBRARY ADDITION, INCLUDING RECONFIGURATION OF WINDOW AND DOOR OPENINGS AND RELATED EXTERIOR ENVELOPE WORK CONSISTING OF NEW BRICK VENEER AND FAUX STONE CLADDING WITH ASSOCIATED FRAMING, SHEATHING, WATERPROOFING, AND FLASHING ALTERATIONS REQUIRED FOR THE MODIFIED OPENINGS.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR EXTERIOR REHABILITATION OF THE NON-ORIGINAL LIBRARY ADDITION, INCLUDING RECONFIGURATION OF WINDOW AND DOOR OPENINGS AND RELATED EXTERIOR ENVELOPE WORK CONSISTING OF NEW BRICK VENEER AND FAUX STONE CLADDING WITH ASSOCIATED FRAMING, SHEATHING, WATERPROOFING, AND FLASHING ALTERATIONS REQUIRED FOR THE MODIFIED OPENINGS, UNAUTHORIZED WORK BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED NINE / 30 / 2026 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS: THAT REPLACEMENT WINDOWS BE ARCHITECTURAL GRADE STEEL OR THERMALLY BROKEN ALL ALUMINUM HISTORIC REPLICA PROFILES.
IN OTHER WORDS, NO CLADDING, MATCHING THE EXISTING ONE AND ONE QUARTER INCH TO ONE AND ONE HALF INCH THIN SIGHT LINES, THAT NEW REPLACEMENT GLAZING NOT BE TINTED OR REFLECTIVE, THAT NEW OR REPLACEMENT BRICK MATCHED THE EXISTING AND MODULAR SIZE TEXTURE AND COLOR, THAT FAUX STONE CLADDING BE ARCHITECTURAL CAST STONE COMPOSED OF WHITE MARBLE AGGREGATE AND WHITE PORTLAND CEMENT...
YEAH, PORTLAND CEMENT COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING WHITE MARBLE WINDOW SILLS, AND THAT THE MASSING AND ROOF FORM OF THE EXISTING ADDITION REMAIN UNALTERED.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 4.3 PERTAINING TO NON-PROTECTED FACADES, SECTION 5.7 PERTAINING TO GLASS AND GLAZING, AND SECTIONS 9.4 AND 9.6 UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51A-4.
501, SUBSECTION G6C I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS, APPLICANT SHOULD PROVIDE A COMBINATION SITE AND FLOOR PLAN OF THE HOME INDICATING WHERE BOTH THE PROTECTIVE FACADES AND THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS ARE LOCATED.
NOTE, THE TASK FORCE CONFIRMED THAT NO PROTECTIVE FACADES ARE IMPACTED BY THE PROPOSED IMPRO- IMPROVEMENTS.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE A SPEAKER FOR THIS ONE.
MR. LEVORNE? OH, YOU ARE ACTUALLY HERE IN PERSON? YES.
LET'S MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON.
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THAT.SO HOPEFULLY THE COMMISSIONERS AT HOME CAN HEAR YOU.
SO WE NEED YOU TO BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
I RESIDE AT 10 NUNSUK ROAD IN DALLAS, AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT? AND THEN WE MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
I PROMISE I WON'T GO DOWN A RABBIT TRAIL, BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REVISIT VERY BRIEFLY SOME OF THE HISTORY OF THIS HOUSE, UH, AND YOU'LL SEE HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
UM, PATTY AND I, MY WIFE, WE'VE LIVED HERE FOR 32 YEARS.
WE BOUGHT IT, UH, DIRECTLY FROM MR. MARCUS IN 1994.
ABOUT 2008, WE, WE HAD DONE SOME, UH, RENOVATIONS OVER THE YEARS BEFORE THAT.
WE THOUGH WE WOULD DO A MAJOR ONE.
WE HAD, UH, BIDS AND THEN THE NUMBERS THAT CAME BACK, WE THOUGH, WELL, IT, IT WAS UNPROTECTED COMPLETELY.
WE THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO, UH, TEAR IT DOWN AND START OVER.
WELL, I NEVER KNEW HOW MUCH PEOPLE LOVED, UH, ARCHITECTURAL PRESERVATION AND MR. MARCUS AS WELL.
SO DALLAS MORNING NEWS, RADIOS, TELEVISIONS, HELICOPTERS HOVERING OVER OUR HOUSE.
UM, AND ALSO THE CITY, UH, BEGAN TO MOVE TOWARD THE 10 CRITERIA, UH, PERSPECTIVE TO SEE IF THERE WOULD BE A HISTORICAL OVERLAY PUT ON THIS PROPERTY.
AT THE TIME, IT HAD NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE ON ANYONE'S PERSONAL RESIDENCE WHO WAS LIVING THERE, UH, WITHOUT THEIR INITIATION.
UM, AFTER A FEW DAYS, WE DECIDED TO COOPERATE WITH THE CITY AND, UH, GO FORWARD TOGETHER.
AND, UH, SO WE MET MANY, MANY HOURS WITH THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEES AND TASK FORCE, UH, TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT BOTH OF US WOULD BE MUTUALLY BE - IT WOULD BE MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL FOR BOTH SIDES.
UM, JUST AS AN ASIDE, THE LANDMARK COMMISSION TOUTED IT AS A GREAT STORY OF COOPERATION AND THE NEWSPAPER, UH, HERALD THAT AS WELL.
WHAT WE DID, AND IF YOU CAN LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE, UM, WE WERE ALLOWED TO, UH, TEAR DOWN ANYTHING THAT WAS IN ADDITION TO THIS HOUSE, WHICH, BY THE WAY, IS MOST OF THE FACADE.
MR. MARCUS WAS LIKE THOMAS JEFFERSON.
HE KEPT ADDING ON AND ADDING ON.
AND SO THE ORIGINAL FACADE THAT THE ONLY ORIGINAL PART OF THE, UH, EXTERIOR, UH, THAT REMAINS IS THE PROTECTED EXTERIOR.
BUT WE ALSO DECIDED AFTER THAT, UH, ORDINANCE, IN OUR RENOVATION, WE DIDN'T CHANGE ONE SQUARE FOOT OF THE PERIMETER EXCEPT FOR WINDOW.
AND, UH, WE WENT FORWARD AT THE TIME WITH COMPLETE BLESSING FROM THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.
THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE WAS VERY MUCH INVOLVED.
I BELIEVE IT WAS DARREN PAPSCOT WHO CHAIRED THAT AT THE TIME AND - HE STILL DOES.
AND, AND THEY WERE VERY MUCH AWARE.
I MOVE THAT WE HAVE MORE TIME.
HOW MUCH? ANOTHER FIVE MINUTES.
HE WON'T TAKE FIVE MINUTES, BUT HE CAN GIVE HALF FIVE MINUTES.
SECOND, COMMISSIONER PREZIOSI, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, GO AHEAD, SIR.
PROBABLY NOT FOR FIVE MINUTES.
I MEAN, ONLY WE CAN TALK THAT WAY.
SO, WITH THAT IN MIND, WE PRESENTED OUR PLANS UP FOR THE RENOVATION, AND WE WERE SO CAREFUL PRESERVING THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS ON THE PROTECTED FACADE.
WE WENT THROUGH ALL THE BEST PRESERVATION SYSTEM.
HOWEVER, THE COMMISSION ALLOWED US, UH, A LOT OF LATITUDE IN, IN THE BACK, AND THEY WERE VERY MUCH AWARE OF IT.
MR. MARCUS HAD ALREADY PUT LARGE, LARGE WINDOWS IN THE BACK THAT RESEMBLED...
DUNN AFTER LISTENING TO YOUR BRIEFING THIS MORNING.
THIS IS, UH, WHAT WAS APPROVED BY THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.
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YOU WOULDN'T MIND GOING FORWARD THROUGH THESE, THIS IS THE REAR OF THE HOUSE NOW.UH, IT IS NOT THE HISTORIC RIBBON OF WINDOWS THAT YOU SEE IN THE FRONT.
THE WORK WE ARE PROPOSING IS SIMPLY DOING THE SAME THING WITH THE SAME MATERIAL, WITH THE SAME CLADDING, UH, EXACTLY LIKE THAT, THAT WAS DONE IN 2013.
AS AN ASIDE, UH, WHEN WE FINISHED THIS, THE COMMISSION WAS INVITED TO COME, PRESERVATION COME, CAME, AND WE RECEIVED AN AWARD FOR COOPERATION AND PREVA - PRESERVATION EFFORTS.
ALL WE'RE DOING HERE IS DOING THE SAME THING.
NOW, I WOULD OFFER THIS APOLOGY THE WAY THERE WAS NO INTENT TO DO UNAUTHORIZED WORK.
WE HAD NO INTENT TO DO ANY WORK UNTIL A STORM, UH, UH, BRANCH HIT THE FLAT ROOF, AND WE WERE OUT OF TOWN AND WATER POURED IN THIS LIBRARY AREA.
THE INSURANCE COMPANY SENT OUT SERVPRO.
THEY GUTTED THAT AREA OF THE LIBRARY.
ALL THAT, THAT IS AN ADDITION.
AND SO IN THE PROCESS, WE SAID, "WELL, LET'S GO AHEAD AND, AND ENLARGE THESE WINDOWS.
UM, USING THE SAME MATERIAL, WE'RE REPLACING REPLACEMENT WINDOWS, NOT ORIGINALLY." AND WHAT, WHAT THEY DID, WE WENT DOWN, UH, TO THE FLOOR AND CAME UP A LITTLE BIT.
THIS WOULD BE A NEW MASTER INSTEAD OF A LARGE LIBRARY.
MY CONTRACTOR IS LISTENING ONLINE, AND I TOLD HIM, "I'VE GOT TO THROW YOU UNDER THE BUS ON THIS." IT'S...
I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR NOT...
BUT HE WAS UNFAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS.
HE HAD A CONSULTANT THAT USED TO BE EMPLOYED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS, WHO ALSO WAS APPARENTLY UNFAMILIAR.
I TOLD THEM THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, "YOU GOT TO GO TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION FIRST.
THAT'S ON ME." AND I HEARD SOMEONE MENTION THE FEE, DR.
DUNN, AFTER YOU RESPONDED TO ME AND EXPLAINED IT, I'M FULLY, UH, UH, HAPPY TO, UH, PAY THAT, THAT FEE FOR THE UNAUTHORIZED WORK.
BUT SINCE THIS PART COULD BE TORN DOWN UN- UNDER THE ORDINANCE, SINCE IT'S ALSO ON A UNPROTECTED FACADE, AND SINCE THE ORDINANCE CLEARLY PROVIDES FOR A DIFFERENT PROCESS, EVEN THE, UH, ROUTINE MAINTENANCE APPROPRIATENESS FOR WINDOW REPLACEMENT, IF IT'S COMPATIBLE, WE ARE DOING NOTHING.
WE COULD NOT DO ANYTHING MORE COMPATIBLE TO THE REAR OF THIS HOUSE THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S, THERE'S AN ADVANTAGE.
AND ALSO IN THE TASK FORCE MEETING, UH, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I DIDN'T HEAR ANY OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND I JOINED VIRTUALLY, UH, SUCH AS THESE TYPE OF WINDOWS OR ANYTHING ELSE.
I WOULD'VE RESPONDED, "THIS IS ALL NEW ME." SO THAT'S OUR REQUEST, AND, UH, I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION IN US GOING FORWARD WITH MY PROMISE THAT WE WILL ALWAYS BE CAREFUL WITH THAT PROTECTED FACADE.
UM, ARE YOU ALSO WILLING TO, TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, UM, EVEN NON-PROTECTED FACADES, WE DO LIKE TO OVERSEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN ORDER THAT THEY DO NOT BECOME MORE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE PART THAT IS PROTECTED.
AND THAT'S WHY YOU MIGHT HAVE JUST BEEN ABLE TO TALK TO RHONDA AND NEVER EVEN MEET US.
NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD NEVER WANT TO MISS THIS CHANCE, BUT YOU COULD HAVE JUST TALKED TO RHONDA POSSIBLY AND SHE COULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MOVE IT FORWARD.
I'M SORRY, IF I COULD GO BACK IN TIME, THAT'S CERTAINLY WHAT I WOULD DO.
UH, AND I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.
WELL, WE, WE ALL, WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES EVERY SINGLE DAY.
DUNN HAD IN MIND WAS TRYING TO, TO MATCH WHAT WAS IN THE FRONT.
UH, THE RIBBON OF WINDOWS THAT YOU SEE, THE ARCHITECTURAL STEEL OR THE, UH, THE ALUMINUM.
WE ARE USING ALUMINUM WINDOWS, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE USING.
I WOULD PREFER TO STAY COMPATIBLE WITH ALL THE OTHER WORK WE HAVE DONE IN THE BACK.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD LOOK STRANGE NOT TO BE COMPATIBLE.
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CLARIFY WHAT SHE WAS GOING FOR IN THIS CONDITION? OKAY.YES, I WAS REFERRING TO WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE, BUT, UM, ALSO THE CONTRACTOR SUBMITTED ALUMINUM CLAD, LIKE ALUMINUM OVER WOOD, AND THAT'S USUALLY NOT SOMETHING WE RECOMMEND.
WE RECOMMEND ALL ALUMINUM FOR YOUR MULLIONS IN THIS CASE.
SO WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH THAT? I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE MIGHT HAVE, AFTER THE TASKFORCE, WE MIGHT HAVE GIVEN THE MANUFACTURER THE OKAY TO GO FORWARD.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAD STARTED AND THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
IS THAT IMPORTANT? AND - IT, IT'S, IT'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THAT TALKING FIRST WOULD PROBABLY HAVE - HOWEVER...
HOWEVER, I WOULD RESPOND AND I WOULD INVITE ANYONE TO LISTEN TO THAT RECORDING OF THE TASK FORCE.
THE CONSENSUS THAT I HEARD WAS THAT THIS IS UNPROTECTED.
WHY ARE WE EVEN ADDRESSING THIS? LET'S GO FORWARD.
THAT'S WHAT I HEARD AT THAT END OF THE MEETING.
BUT ULTIMATELY, THE TASK FORCE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, STAFF MAKES A RECOMMENDATION, AND THEY ARE JUST THAT, TWO RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE RECEIVE HERE AT LANDMARK COMMISSION.
AND THEN WE MAKE THE DECISION.
THAT'S WHY JUMPING THE GUN AND PAYING FOR STUFF OFTEN GETS PEOPLE, UM, ANNOYED BECAUSE THEY DON'T NECESSARILY TURN OUT THE WAY THEY WERE HOPING IN THE END.
I WAS NOT APPROACHED BY STAFF AFTER THAT TASK FORCE SAYING, "HERE'S THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE SEE TODAY." AND I'M NOT SURE THEY HAD THE BURDEN TO DO THAT.
I, I DO NEED TO ALWAYS DEFEND OUR STAFF - OKAY.
WHO WE ALL LOVE AND, AND KNOW DO A HARD JOB UNDER HARD CIRCUMSTANCES.
I, I GOT TO KNOW THE STAFF SO WELL LAST TIME.
AND, AND IT'S ALWAYS A BURDEN ON THEM.
AND I, AND I SUSPECT, SIR, THAT YOU PERHAPS ARE SUCCESSFUL IN SOME AREA OF BUSINESS OR ENTERPRISE TO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO, UM, TO GET WHERE YOU ARE IN THIS LOVELY HOUSE AND ALL THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW THAT THINGS CAN BE COMPLICATED WITH REGULATORY ISSUES AND, AND YOU HAVE TO DO DUE DILIGENCE AND, AND PLAN AHEAD.
I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ASK? YES.
SO YOU MENTIONED THAT THE CONTRACTOR WAS ONLINE NOW? I, HE TOLD ME HE WAS.
SO MAYBE HE CAN CLARIFY WHAT HAS BEEN ORDERED FOR THE WINDOWS, IF HE IS ONLINE.
I KNOW, ADRIAN, IS HE THERE? OKAY.
YOU NEED TO, WE HAVE TO SEE YOU ONLINE.
IT IS A STATE LAW THAT YOU SPEAK IN A PUBLIC MEETING, YOU MUST BE VISIBLE WHILE ONLINE.
OH, AND WE WELCOME BACK COMMISSIONER SMITH WHO HAD COMPUTER ISSUES, BUT HE'S DRIED IT OFF AND NOW IT'S FINE.
CAN HE HEAR? SO HE KNOWS THAT WE'VE ASKED MR. WILEY TO PLEASE TURN ON HIS CAMERA.
AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE HAVE DIFFICULTY WITH THAT WITH OUR SYSTEM, SO PERHAPS HE IS TRYING.
MR. WILEY, CAN YOU HEAR US? MAYBE I THREW HIM UNDER THE BUS.
I DO HATE TECHNOLOGY SOMETIMES.
UH, COMMISSIONER ZACH, DO YOU STILL HAVE YOUR MICROPHONE ON? NOT THAT WE WOULDN'T LOVE US OFF, BUT...
OKAY, SO FAR WE HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO GET HIM ON TO SPEAK TO HIM.
DID YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER LINES OF...
THAT WAS IT? OKAY, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THEY'D LIKE TO ASK WHILE WE WAIT? I WOULD LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS, DR.
IS THIS A NON-PROTECTIVE FACADE? YES.
TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE PROTECTIVE PART.
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DO SOMETHING SO INCOMPATIBLE THAT YOU BASICALLY WORRY THE, THE PROTECTED ONE FOR NOT TOUCHING THEM.IT'S THE SAME THING AS WHEN WE DON'T LET SOMEONE BUILD A HOUSE IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STYLE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT CAN RUIN THE WHOLE STREET EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE, ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO A PROTECTIVE HOUSE.
I, I WOULD SAY THAT IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT WAS APPROVED BEFORE.
AND THE STANDARD FOR THE NON-PROTECTIVE FACADE IS COMPATIBILITY, NOT, UH, THE REPLICA.
AND IT IS ALWAYS A THING WE HAVE TO WRESTLE WITH, WHETHER SOMETHING MEETS THE STANDARD THAT'S COMPATIBLE OR NOT, BUT WE USUALLY MANAGE BETWEEN ALL OF US TO COME UP WITH - MAY I ASK...
DUNN? JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WHEN YOU SEE THOSE PICTURES, IS THAT ALUMINUM OVER WOOD OR ALUMINUM THAT IS ALREADY THERE AROUND THE HOUSE? I, IT LOOKS LIKE ALUMINUM, BUT I CANNOT TELL WITHOUT ACTUALLY...
THE, THE PIECES OF ALUMINUM WOULD TEND TO HAVE A BEEFIER PROFILE IF THEY'RE OVER WOOD.
WHEREAS THE POINT OF ALUMINUM, WHEN IT WAS BECOMING IN VOGUE AND EVERYONE WAS SO EXCITED ABOUT IT, WAS IT WAS SO LIGHT AND SMALLER AND YET HELD THE WINDOW GLASS IN THE SAME AS A BIG OLD HUNK OF WOOD WOULD.
OH, I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE PICTURES THAT WERE APPROVED BEFORE BY THE COMMISSION, UM, THE NEW WINDOWS WILL NOT BE ANY BULK.
CAN YOU ZOOM IN ON THAT IN ANY WAY? IT MAY GET BLURRY.
WELL, WHAT WERE YOU PLANNING ON AFTER THE CONTRACT? WANTED TO VERIFY WHETHER IT WAS ALUMINUM OR WAS IT CLOUD? ALUMINUM CLAD, SO...
PERHAPS YOU COULD CALL YOUR CONTRACTOR AND ASK HIM THAT QUESTION.
BASICALLY, I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION BECAUSE THAT WAS A STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
SO I WANTED TO SEE HOW THE APPLICANT WOULD RESPOND TO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
THE QUOTE SAYS IT'S ALUMINUM OVERWHELM.
SO OUR BEST INFORMATION WE HAVE IS THAT THAT IS WHAT HAS BEEN PLANNED TO GO IN.
AND THEN WE, WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT WE THINK WOULD BE TO THE PLUMBING.
WE'VE GOT NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
DOES SOMEBODY HAVE A MOTION? WAS THERE ANY OTHER EXCEPTIONS ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE APPLICANT? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT KIND OF GOT US TO START LOOKING AT WHAT HAD BEEN ORDERED OR NOT.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE FIRST ONES WAS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WINDOWS AND IF HE HAS A LI - DOES HE HAS A LIST OF ALL THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND IF, IF, IF SO, WHETHER, WHAT OTHER, UM, ONES DOES HE HAVE ISSUE WITH? WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE ROOF, ALTHOUGH WE DID REPAIR IT AND WE PUT, UH, TPO, UH, THAT CANNOT BE SEEN.
UH, WE ARE ELIMINATING THE INTERIOR DRAINS ON THE FLAT ROOF BECAUSE THAT WAS THE PROBLEM BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF THEM.
AND, AND SO WE ARE, UH, DIRECTING THEM TO THE BACK.
UH, YOU WOULD NEVER NOTICE WITH THE SCUFFLE.
AND, UH, BUT NOTHING ELSE CHANGES.
SO ARE YOU, YOU - AND THE GLAZING AND NOT TO BE TINTED OR REFLECTIVE? I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THERE NOW.
BUT IT WAS CLEAR? PARDON? DOES THE GLAZING LOOK CLEAR NOW, WHAT'S THERE? OR DOES IT HAVE A LITTLE BROWN TINT OR...
AND THE ONLY THING ELSE WE'RE - MADAM CHAIR?...
YOUR FAUX STONE BE COMPOSED OF WHITE MARBLE, AGGREGATE AND WHITE PORTLAND CEMENT.
NOW, THE WHITE MARBLE, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY MARBLE ON THE HOUSE.
WELL, UM, THEY'RE JUST SAYING AGGREGATE.
EVERY CONCRETE HAS SOME LITTLE BITS OF GRAVEL IN IT AND THE GRAVEL COULD BE GRANITE.
IT COULD BE ANYTHING, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT CHANGES THE COLOR.
SO THE POINT IS THAT THE AGGREGATE BE WHITE.
I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO MATCH ALL THE - WELL, THEY HAVE TO WRITE ALL THIS IN.
BECAUSE HOW ELSE COULD THE INSPECTOR KNOW YOU
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WERE FOLLOWING WHAT WE WANTED? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.UM, THE, THE WINDOWS ON THIS PART OF THE HOUSE ARE ALUMINUM WINDOWS, CORRECT? YES.
IN THESE ROOMS OR IN THIS SECTION, ARE THOSE ALUMINUM WINDOWS ALUMINUM ON THE INSIDE OR IS THERE WOOD ON THE INSIDE? THERE'S WOOD ON THE INSIDE.
SO THE REST OF THIS HOUSE, OR THE REST OF THIS PART OF THE HOUSE, HAS ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH WOOD...
SO YOU HAVE WOOD ON THE INSIDE? I THINK...
WELL, SOME OF IT ALONG THAT, UH, LIVING ROOM THAT, UH, WE DID NOT CHANGE THAT MR. MARCUS IN- INSTALLED HAS METAL ON THE INSIDE.
I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS IT'S...
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE INTERIORS, ALONG WITH THE EXTERIOR, WORK WITH THE HOUSE.
AND IF YOU'RE PUTTING IN ALUMINUM WINDOWS IN A ROOM THAT HAS WOOD ON THE INSIDE, IT'S ONLY PRACTICAL THAT IT SHOULD ALL MATCH, CORRECT? I THINK THAT'S THE PLAN, BUT I WAS NOT AWARE THAT THE COMMISSION GOT INVOLVED IN THE INTERIOR.
WELL, BUT WHAT I'M GETTING, I'M NOT, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT.
FOR THIS MOMENT, I'M JUST TRYING TO ASK YOU WHERE YOU'RE DOING THESE NEW WINDOWS, ARE THE OTHER WINDOWS IN THE ROOM WOOD ON THE INSIDE? OR - UM - OR IS IT, IS IT TYPICAL FOR YOU TO HAVE - NO, THEY'RE NOT.
THE ONE IN THE FRONT THAT WE'RE LAYING, IT'S METAL ON THE INSIDE.
SO THAT, WHAT THAT DOES TELL US THOUGH IS THAT THE EXISTING WINDOWS ARE ALUMINUM WINDOWS.
THEY'RE METAL ON THE INSIDE AND OUTSIDE.
WOOD WINDOWS LOOK LIKE WOOD ON THE INSIDE.
NO, THERE'S ONE ON THE FRONT THAT WE'RE LEAVING ALONE THAT WAS, UH, PART OF THE ORIGINAL.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF, IF ALUMINUM WINDOWS ON THE INSIDE, AS OPPOSED TO WOOD ON THE INSIDE, WOULD NOT WORK WITH THE INTERIOR OF, OF THE HOUSE.
I BEL - OR DOESN'T IT MATTER? AND WE, WE DO HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE PURVIEW OVER THE INTERIOR, BUT, UM - WELL, BUT IN THIS MOMENT WE DO BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT ALUMINUM WINDOWS OR ALUMINUM CLAD WINDOWS, AND THE ALUMINUM CLAD WINDOWS BY DEFAULT HAS WOOD ON THE INSIDE.
SO EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE INSIDE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE INSIDE.
SO WE KNOW WE HAVE LEARNED THAT THE WINDOW HE'S REFERRING TO AND SOME OF THE OTHER WINDOWS ARE DEFINITELY ALUMINUM BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE WOOD ON THE INSIDE.
SO THIS IS VALUABLE INFORMATION WE HAVE NOW CLEANED.
HE ONLY SAID THE FRONT WINDOW HAD - BUT I THINK HE WAS TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING EARLIER HE SAID SOME OF THE WOOD AND THE ONES IN THE BACK TOO.
YES, THOSE HAVE WOOD ON THE INSIDE RIGHT THERE.
UM, IF YOU CAN SHOW ANOTHER PICTURE, I CAN...
THOSE HAVE WOOD ON THE INSIDE.
SO THE BACK OF THE SKINNY PART DIVIDING THE LIGHTS IS WOOD? YEAH.
SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S WOOD? IT'S STAINED.
SO I THINK WE NOW HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT KIND OF WINDOWS HAVE ALREADY BEEN PUT IN SOME OF THE ADDITIONS.
I THINK WE REALLY GOT YOUR MOTION.
THIS, THIS RIGHT HERE, UM, YOU SEE THAT GLASS? THAT WAS STANLEY MARCUS'S ADDITION.
UH, HE PUT THAT SO YOU COULD SEE, UH, IT DOES NOT, IT'S NOT IN, UH, COMPLEMENT OR IMPORTANT WITH THE FRONT RIBBON OF THE WINDOW.
UM, I REALLY MUST INSIST THAT NOW I'D LIKE SOMEONE TO MAKE A MOTION.
IF WE HAVE TO DISCUSS FURTHER, WE WILL DISCUSS A MOTION ON THE TABLE.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR AN ARCHITECT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE WOOD ON THE INSIDE AND METAL ON THE OUTSIDE.
IS THAT A WOOD CLA - OR CLAD WINDOW? YEAH.
SO HE, HE'S PUTTING IN WHAT WE WANTED TO PUT IN.
WE, WE'VE NOW ESTABLISHED WHAT'S THERE.
I WANT TO MOVE ON TO A MOTION LET'S HAVE A MOTION.
I, UM, IN CONSIDER WHAT WE'VE BEEN LISTENING TO, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY ISSUE OF STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO, UH, APPROVE THIS CASE, UH, 26-3470A.
APPROVE OF THE, UH, CONDITIONS THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS,
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UM, TO BE APPROVED ON ACCORDANCE OF THESE DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED NINE / 30 / 2026.DO YOU NEED ME TO LIST THE FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS OR JUST GO BY - THAT WOULD CLARIFY OR I HAVE TO REPEAT IT.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AS SUCH, THAT REPLACEMENT WINDOWS BE ARCHITECTURAL GRADE STEEL OR THERMALLY BROKEN ALUMINUM HISTORIC REPLICA PROFILES, I.E.
MATCHING THE EXISTING ONE AND ONE QUARTER INCH TO ONE AND ONE HALF INCH THIN SIDE LINES THAT NEW OR REPLACEMENT GLAZING NOT BE TINTED OR REFLECTIVE.
THE NEWER REPLACEMENT BRICK MATCH, THE EXISTING AND MODULE SIZE, TEXTURE AND COLOR.
THE FAUX STONE CLADDING, THE ARCHITECTURAL CAST STONE COMPOSED OF WHITE MARBLE AGGREGATE AND WHITE PORTLAND CEMENT COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING WHITE MAR- MARBLE WINDOW SILLS, AND THAT THE MASSING AND ROOF FORM OF THE EXISTING ADDITION REMAIN A - UNALTERED.
IMPLEMENT- IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECO- RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER REEVES? ANY DISCUSSION OF THIS MOTION? I...
DIDN'T WE JUST DECIDE THAT HE HAD CLADDED WINDOWS? WE, WE HAVE DECIDED THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED TO US DOES SUGGEST THAT.
BUT DOESN'T THE STAFF SAY YES DID NOT HAVE CLADDED WINDOWS? THAT IS THE MOTION ON THE TABLE.
MAY I MAKE A AMENDMENT? YOU MAY REQUEST A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT FROM THE ORIGINATOR.
YOU WANT ME TO DO A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, UH, TO REMOVE THE CLADDING? TO ALLOW THE CLADDING.
ALLOW THE CLADDING OF THE WOOD WINDOWS.
SO NOW THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS THE OTHER REQUIREMENT STAND, BUT THE WINDOWS MAY BE CLAD WOOD.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR ARE WE READY TO VOTE ON THIS ONE? I, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT A QUESTION.
MR. LEVORNE, ARE YOU AGREEABLE TO THAT AMENDMENT? UM, YES.
UH, IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S, WHAT'S - YOU CAN USE THE WINDOWS YOU THINK YOU ORDERED, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE YOUR AGGREGATE STONE LOOKS WHITE.
AND THAT'S ALL THAT THE MARBLE CHIPS DO THERE.
THE MARBLE, THEY SWEEP OFF THE FLOOR AFTER THEY MAKE A MARBLE COUNTER OR SOMETHING.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE A CLARIFICATION SO THE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS.
I BELIEVE THE MOTION ALLOWS FOR THEM TO HAVE WOOD CLADDING ON THE INSIDE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT WE NOW ALLOW.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, MOTION HAS CARRIED.
AND DO ASK STAFF, MAKE SURE, OR YOUR CONTRACT CON- CONTACT THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL YOUR WORK PROCEEDS IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT WE RULED HERE, BECAUSE HELP PASS THIS ON TO YOUR CONTRACTOR.
FURTHER MISTAKES ON THE PART OF THE CONTRACTOR WILL ANNOY YOU GREATLY BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE TO COME BACK.
SO YOU WANT HIM OR HER, I GUESS IT'S A HIM.
YOU WANT HIM TO DO WHAT WE SAID AND SHE'LL TELL HIM WHAT THAT IS, RIGHT? THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR DISCUSSION.
CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 21, 731 NORTH FLASGOW DRIVE, COUNCIL DISTRICT 14, JUNIUS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT COA 26000302.
REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT TWO NEW DORMERS ON EACH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE- APPROPRIATENESS, APPROPRIATENESS
501 FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES OR THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR GUIDELINES FOR REHABILITATION.
WE'RE ON GLASGOW DRIVE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS DUE TO CONSTRUCT - TO CONSTRUCT TWO NEW DORMERS ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE, WITH A FINDING OF THE FACT THAT THE DORMERS ADDED ARE IN THE PROTECTED FACADE.
AND WE DO HAVE A PERSON WHO IS HERE, I BELIEVE, TO SPEAK.
IS IT THAME- THAMES, LIKE THE RIVER, OR? LIKE THE RIVER.
SO I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD THE DRILL.
WE NEED YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOU PROMISE TO TELL US - UH, YES, MA'AM.
MY NAME IS, UH, CALEB TIMS, AND MY ADDRESS IS 3905 DARTMOUTH STREET, GARLAND, TEXAS, AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
GO AHEAD AND TELL US WHAT YOU'D LIKE
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TO ADDRESS ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.I, UH, OBVIOUSLY I'VE HEARD THIS, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AS FAR AS THE PROJECT GOES, AND I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE ABLE TO BRING UP THE PHOTOS FROM THAT.
UH, THE PURPOSE FOR THIS IS THAT THERE'S CURRENTLY A YOUNG FAMILY THAT LIVES IN THERE THAT HAS JUST HAD THEIR SECOND CHILD, AND THEY'RE HOPEFUL TO THEN INCREASE THE SPACING.
IT'S CURRENTLY A THREE BEDROOM, UH, THREE BED, ONE BATH, UH, HOME, AND THEY BOTH, UH, OFFICE FROM HOME, AND SO THEY'RE HOPEFUL TO INCREASE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE INTO THE UPSTAIRS ATTIC AREA.
THEY ALSO RECEIVED A NOTE FROM AN ENGINEER AFTER HAVING HIM COME OUT THAT THE CURRENT ROOF STRUCTURE CANNOT SUPPORT, UH, IS STARTING TO CAVE IN.
IT HAS TWO BY FOUR CONSTRUCTION, UH, DONE TO IT.
AND SO THAT WAS PER - DID YOU SAY THE ROOF HAS TWO BY FOURS SUPPORTING IT, OR? UH, YES.
THE ROOF STRUCTURE IS MADE OUT OF TWO BY FOUR - AND THERE ARE CHILDREN STANDING UNDERNEATH THIS ROOF RIGHT NOW? OKAY.
UH, AND SO, UH, FURTHER RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE ENGINEER, HE RECOMMENDED COMPLETELY, UH, REMOVING THE ROOF AND, UH, INSTALLING NEW, UH, TO NEW FRAMING CODES AND DOING THAT.
THEY THEN BROUGHT ME IN AS TO PROVIDE, UH, POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS OR DIFFERENT IDEAS TO THIS TO INCREASE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHICH I SAID I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO COMPLETELY REMOVE THE STRUCTURE, JUST INS - UH, SUPPORT IT AND THEN CREATE, UH, FLOOR JOISTS THAT RUN ACROSS THE STRUCTURE OF IT, AND THEN TO INCREASE THE FOUNDATION, UH, TO ADD PIERS AND KIND OF BLOCK LOCATIONS ON THE.
AS FAR AS WHERE THE DORMERS WERE PLACED ON THIS SIDE, WE BELIEVE THAT THE 50% MARK WAS THAT MIDDLE GUTTER MARK, THAT THIS IS THE FACADE ON THIS SIDE, AND SO WE BELIEVE THAT IT'S IN THE BACK PORTION, 50% OF THE BUILDING STRUCTURE ON THIS SIDE, AS TO THE OTHER SIDE THAT HAS THE TWO DORMERS.
UH, WE PRESENTED AN OPTION THAT HAD JUST THE ONE DORMER ON THE REAR, WHICH IS OUTSIDE OF THE 50% FOR THE JUNIORS HEIGHTS, BUT IF YOU BRING IT UP AS FAR AS ONCE YOU REMOVE THIS, AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A CLOSE-UP PHOTO, I COULD PROVIDE AT A LATER MEETING, A FURTHER AWAY PHOTO WHEN YOU JUST HAVE THE ONE DORMER ON THE BACK FROM AN ARCHITECTURE STANDPOINT, IT VERY MUCH, UH, CREATES A VERY INTERESTING ROOF LINE OR STRUCTURE FROM AN ARCHITECTURE PERSPECTIVE.
AND SO WE THOUGH THE SECOND DORMER ALLOWED FOR ANOTHER BEDROOM TO BE PLACED UPSTAIRS, AND THEN ALSO A LITTLE BIT OF MORE OF AN APPEAL FROM THAT SIDE.
UH, I BELIEVE THIS IS ON THE VERY BORDER OF THAT JUNIUS HEIGHTS, UH, DISTRICT, AND ON THE ADJACENT, THERE'S AN ALLEYWAY THERE AND AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, UH, OR BUILDING THAT'S ADJACENT TO IT.
OKAY, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, UH, JUST TO KNOW WHO WE'RE TALKING TO.
ARE YOU A LICENSED ARCHITECT AND THAT'S YOUR ROLE ON THIS, OR ARE YOU THE CONTRACTOR? NO, I'M A CONTRACTOR.
OKAY, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HOLD YOU TO THE STANDARDS OF A LICENSED ARCHITECT
OKAY, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
FIRST OF ALL, DID YOU GET A BUILDING PERMIT TO DO THIS WORK? UH, THE PERMIT, UH, APPLICATION HAS BEEN SENT, BUT THEN THEY SENT US TO YOU.
BUT DID YOU NEED TO BUILD A PERMIT BEFORE YOU STARTED THE WORK? UH, THE STR - THE...
IF YOU WOULD'VE, THAT WOULD'VE MADE IT A LOT EASIER THAN EVERYBODY.
NEXT QUESTION I HAVE IS, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THIS, UH, THE ROOF, THE PICTURE OF THE DORMER? UM, ARE THERE MORE...
OKAY, THIS, THIS PARTICULAR...
ARE THERE TWO BEDROOMS EACH SHARING A DOUBLE SET OF WINDOWS? UH, THAT IS, UH, THE WINDOW...
AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE WINDOW ON THE LEFT IS INTO A BEDROOM AND THE BEDROOM, OR THE WINDOW ON THE RIGHT IS A STAIRCASE, UH, THAT LEADS UP TO THE SECOND STORY.
SO THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT TWO SEPARATE BEDROOMS IN, IN USING THIS DORMER? NO.
SO WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER SIDE? THE SAME SITUATION? THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE BEDROOMS. THOSE ARE TWO BEDROOMS? YES, SIR.
SO THOSE TWO BEDROOMS ALL NEED TO HAVE A- AN EGRESS WINDOW, YES.
SO THOSE TWO WIN - THOSE TWO DORMERS AND TWO SETS OF WINDOWS ARE REQUIRED BY CODE - YES, SIR.
MY CONCERN IS I DON'T SEE THIS AS BEING A BIG NEGATIVE.
I DO UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS IN THE PROTECTED AREA OR THE WHATEVER, BUT I THINK IT IS SOMEWHAT TYPICAL OF THESE HOUSES THAT HAVE DORMERS IN THESE LOCATIONS.
THE DORMER IS NOT SO FAR FORWARD THAT IT LOOKS WRONG OR, OR, UM, ADDED ONTO.
I WOULD FEEL THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE TO APPROVE THEM AS THEY ARE, THAT'S MY OPINION, PARTICULARLY SINCE THEY HAVE THE TWO BEDROOMS UP THERE AND I DON'T THINK IT HAS AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE BUILDING AT ALL.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE A QUESTION? AND IF I...
ANY QUESTIONS AT HOME? IF I'M HEARING NO QUESTIONS, THEN I'M SURE SOMEONE HAS A MOTION.
CAN, CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION RIGHT QUICK?
I WAS JUST ASKING, UM, WERE ALL THE WINDOWS REPLACED, DO YOU KNOW? UH, AGAIN - BECAUSE THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE WOOD WINDOWS.
UM, AND EVEN IF YOU WOULD'VE COME BEFORE, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN SOMETHING THAT THEY MAYBE CONDITIONED AS PART OF THE DORMERS? UH, YEAH.
PER MY UNDERSTANDING, WE HAVE MADE NO CHANGES TO THE FIRST STORY OF THE HOME, JUST ON THE ROOF LINE.
SO - AND THE ROOF, THOSE ARE DEFINITELY NOT WOOD WINDOWS.
THOSE ARE NOT WOOD WINDOWS, YEAH.
WHAT ARE THEY? VINYL? THEY ARE VINYL.
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KNOW WE HATE THAT WORD.'CAUSE VINYL'S NOT ALLOWED IN THE.
HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN AWARE? UH, ABOUT A WEEK AGO.
IT'S GOOD TO LEARN NEW THINGS.
AS OFTEN AS YOU CAN, ESPECIALLY IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL LIFE.
IF YOU EVER WORK IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AGAIN, YOU WILL KNOW THAT YOU NEED TO SEE A, AND YOU'LL TELL THE OWNERS IF THEY ARE IGNORANT.
AND YOU'LL KNOW THAT VINYL IS LIKE...
I MEAN, THERE WERE SEVERAL MISTAKES MADE BY MYSELF ON THIS.
ONE WAS ASSUMING THAT THE CLOUD WINDOWS ARE THE VINYL WINDOWS BELOW, THEN WE COULD DO VINYL WINDOWS ABOVE.
DO I HAVE A MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION.
YEAH, 26-3471A, 731 NORTH GLASGOW DRIVE IN THE JUNIOR HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS BUILT AS THE DORMERS NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE STRUCTURE OR THE DISTRICT.
WE GOT A LOUDER SECOND FOR COMMISSIONER REYNOSO.
SO IF YOU WANT TO CLAIM THEM ALL.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ARE WE READY FOR A VOTE? ALL RIGHT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANYONE AT HOME OPPOSED? LET ME STOP SHARING.
OKAY, SO THE MOTION HAS STILL CARRIED.
YOU, YOU WILL, UM, GO FORTH WITH MORE KNOWLEDGE, AND IF WE EVER SEE YOU BACK HERE AGAIN, IT WILL BE BEFORE YOU HAVE LIFTED A HAMMER.
CORRECT? SO YOU HAVE HAD LEARNING EXPERIENCE THAT MAKES YOU QUALIFIED TO WORK IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION DISTRICTS.
THIS MY FIRST, AND HERE WE ARE.
SHE HAS, SHE HAS A NASTY RULER THAT...
A, A RUMOR HE STARTED BECAUSE HE DOESN'T LIKE ME.
BUT SERIOUSLY, IF YOU GET ANY MORE JOBS LIKE THIS - NO, I...
YOU CAN ASK THEM ANY QUESTION, HOWEVER FOOLISH, AND THEY WILL KINDLY ANSWER IT.
TAYLOR MEANS ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 22, LOCATED AT 2312 JORDAN STREET, COUNCIL DISTRICT SEVEN, QUEEN CITY, COA NUMBER 26000401.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMODEL THE MAIN STRUCTURE BY REPLACING THE EXISTING 105 SIDING WITH LP SMART SIDE CEDAR TEXTURE SIDING.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMODEL THE MAIN STRUCTURE FRONT FACADE BY CHANGING THE GABLE LOCATION AND ADDING ANOTHER.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE EXISTING SOFFIT WITH THE LP SMART SIDE CEDAR TEXTURE MATERIAL.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXISTING WINDOWS WITH PLY GYM 500 SERIES SINGLE HUNG VINYL WINDOWS.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXISTING ROOF WITH A DECRA METAL ROOF IN THE COLOR CHARCOAL.
AND THEN A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REFRAME THAT ROOF.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE FOUR METAL FRONT PORCH COLUMNS WITH TWO CEDAR COLUMNS AND TO REMOVE THE EXISTING RAILINGS.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A BOARD ON BOARD FENCE IN THE REAR AND SIDE YARDS AND A FOUR FOOT METAL FENCE IN THE FRONT.
AND THEN A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE TWO EXISTING REBIRD VENTS.
STAFF REC - STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OF THE ABOVE LISTED ITEMS ARE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE BECAUSE THE PROPOSED WORK THEREFORE DOES NOT MEET CITY CODE SECTION 51A-4.
501 FOR CONSTR - CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES OR THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STA - GUIDELINES FOR REHABILITATION.
ARE YOU - I MEAN, UH, I CAN READ ALL OF THAT IF YOU WANT ME TO, OR...
DOES, DOES SHE HAVE TO? SHE SAID OF THE ABOVE.
WE WISH Y'ALL DIDN'T HAVE TO READ ALL OF IT IN, BUT THAT'S UP TO OUR ATTORNEY.
DO THEY HAVE TO READ JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING? OH.
WE'VE NEVER GOTTEN PURE PERMISSION TO, TO DISPENSE WITH THAT.
DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT THE HOME BE RESTORED TO ITS ORIGINAL FABRIC, INCLUDING THE METAL ROOF TO BE REPLACED WITH AN ASPHALT SING - SH- SHINGLE ROOF, THAT ALL WINDOWS BE ALUMINUM WITH WHITE TRIM, THAT THE FRONT DOOR BE REPLACED WITH A CRAFTSMAN-STYLE DOOR, THAT THE IRON COLUMNS BE PLACED BACK ON THE HOME.
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TO 105 SIDING AND THAT THE FRONT FENCE BE NO MORE THAN THREE FOOT, SIX INCHES, AND THE SIDE FENCE TO BE MOVED BACK TOWARDS THE REAR.OKAY, DO MAKE SURE THE LIGHT'S STILL ON AT THE MICROPHONE.
GIVE US YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND THAT YOU'RE GONNA TELL THE TRUTH.
ADDRESS 522 LA GRANGE DRIVE IN FAYE, TEXAS.
AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
AND CLARIFY, ARE YOU THE OWNER OR S - UM, SOMEONE SPEAKING ON THE BEHALF? I'M THE CONTRACTOR.
SO I'M THE CONTRACTOR AFTER WORK WAS ALREADY DONE.
SO, UH - SO YOU DID NOT PERSONALLY DO THE WORK THAT WE SEE TODAY? I DID NOT DO THE WORK.
UM, SO THE OWNER WAS UNAWARE OF THIS, UH, NECESSITIES, I GUESS, UM, DUE TO, UH, HE DIDN'T FIND OUT UNTIL AFTER HE WAS CITED.
I GUESS THERE WAS, UH, A NEIGHBOR OR SOMEONE WHO FILED A COMPLAINT.
THEN AFTER THAT COMPLAINT WAS FILED, HE WAS THEN NOTIFIED OF THE CITATIONS.
SO, UM, UH, I GUESS THE FIRST THING WAS THE ROOF.
SO THE ROOF, IT IS A METAL ROOF, BUT IT'S A METAL SHINGLE ROOF, UM, MEANING IT'S NOT LIKE A STANDING SEAM.
THERE'S MANY HOMES IN THAT AREA THAT HAVE SOME METAL ROOFS OR THREE TAB SHINGLES.
UM, IT IS A NEW ROOF, BUT THEY ARE SHINGLES, UM, WHERE THEY ARE, I THINK, UH, ROUGHLY TWO TO...
UH, THEY'RE, THEY, THEY'RE ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS A REGULAR SHINGLE, UM, WIDTH.
UH, AND, UM, I, I THINK HE SENT PHOTOS OF THE, OF THE METAL ROOF.
THEY'RE IN YOUR PACKET IN THE DOCKET.
THEY, THEY WEREN'T AS, AS CLEAR AS, AS COULD BE TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN PERSON.
THE, THE COMPANY'S DECRA, UM, BUT...
SO DECRA MAKES MULTIPLE STYLES OF METAL ROOFS.
ONE OF THEM IS LIKE A ROMAN STYLE, WHICH YOU WOULD LOOK LIKE A, LIKE A CLAY, UH, CLAY SHINGLE ROOF.
THIS IS MEANT TO LOOK LIKE A NORMAL SHINGLE ROOF.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, YES, IT IS APPARENT THAT THE ROOF IS NEW, UM, BUT IF YOU LOOK IN THE AREA, THERE IS OTHER HOMES THAT HAVE BLACK ROOFS.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS MENTIONED LAST TIME IN THE LAST MEETING.
UM, BUT, UM, IF YOU'RE DRIVING BY, IT'S NOT APPARENT THAT THIS IS A METAL ROOF.
IT LOOKS LIKE A SHINGLED ROOF.
UM, SO YEAH THE, THE NEXT LOOKS OF ENGINEERED SEE, THAT'S MORE FIT THE ROMAN STYLE.
SO IT, IT MATCHES MORE THERE IN THOSE THREE SQUARE, UH, PICTURES, THE ONES TO THE RIGHT.
LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET PHOTO IN REAL QUICK.
BUT YOU SAID IT IS NOT THE SAME DIMENSION AS LIKE A THREE-TAB ROOF.
SO NO, SO THE SHINGLES THEMSELVES, THE, THE LENGTH OF A REGULAR SHINGLE, UM, THESE ARE LIKE THAT.
SO WHEN PEOPLE SAY METAL ROOF, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE ASSUME IT'S LIKE A STANDING SEAM.
THESE ARE ACTUAL SHINGLE, UH, UH, METAL PIECES THAT THEY CONNECT TO EACH OTHER.
THAT RIGHT THERE IS CLOSER TO WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
SO FROM A DISTANCE THAT YOU CAN SEE, THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE A SHINGLED ROOF.
UM, IT'S STILL HARD FOR US TO SEE THE INDIVIDUAL UNITS.
IF WE COULD SEE AN ACTUAL EXAMPLE, THAT WOULD'VE HELPED.
UM - SO IF I BR - I BROUGHT ONE IN, YOU'RE SAYING OR? YEAH, WE ACTUALLY...
WE LOVE WHEN PEOPLE BRING SHOW AND TELL.
UH, WE, WE'VE HAD WINDOWS COME.
WE HAD ALL SORTS OF THINGS COME VISIT US.
NOW, THE ROOF, THE WORK WITH THIS, WITH, HAS ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED.
THAT'S ONE OF THE, I GUESS THE ISSUES IS $27,000 WAS SPENT ON THIS ROOF FOR EXTRA MATERIAL, THE METAL SHINGLES AND ALL THAT.
IT WASN'T UNTIL AFTER THE FACT.
HE WAS UNAWARE EVEN, I THINK WHEN HE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY THAT A HISTORICAL AREA WAS EVEN - ALL RIGHT.
I, I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THAT.
AND, UM, IS THIS MAN THAT OWNS IT, IS HE GOING TO LIVE IN IT? HE'S, HE'S RENTING IT OUT.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A RENTAL PROPERTY.
I'M ASKING YOU IF YOU'RE AWARE OF THIS, BUT I MEAN HIM.
THE, IT'S, IT'S BECOMING A HISTORIC DISTRICT AT THE REQUEST OF PEOPLE WHO'VE LIVED THERE A LONG TIME AND DON'T WANNA SEE THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD CHANGE.
SO THOSE WHO HAVE A MUCH LONGER INVESTMENT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WANT THE RULES THAT ARE BEING PUT IN PLACE.
SO I WILL SAY THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN IT NOW ACTUALLY MOVED INTO THAT HOME FROM A FEW HOUSES DOWN THE STREET.
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SO IT'S ALL THE SAME PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN LIVING IN THE SAME AREA.THE REASON THEY MOVED IS BECAUSE THE HOME THAT THEY...
MANY HOUSES IN THIS STREET ARE NOT KEPT UP.
SO I COULD SEE WHY SOMEONE WOULD HAVE A, AN ISSUE WITH A PERSON COMING IN AND UPDATING THE HOME, BUT NOT UPDATING IT IN A WAY WHERE THEY, TO MAKE IT LOOK BETTER THAN THEIR HOME, IT'S JUST THEY'RE MAKING IT LIVABLE.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS HOUSE, IT JUST LOOKS LIVABLE.
THEY'RE NOT DOING ANY, ANY TYPE OF NEW, UH, STRUCTURAL...
NOTHING HAS BEEN CHANGED TO THE STRUCTURE ITSELF.
IT'S JUST UPDATED MATERIAL, BUT MATERIAL THAT STILL SHOULD FIT THAT AREA.
ODDLY ENOUGH, UM, WE CARE MORE ABOUT THE MATERIALS THAN WHAT'S HOLDING THE HOUSE UP.
OTHER COMMISSIONERS ARE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, BUT I'VE REALLY GOTTA START BY ASKING, IF YOU, YOU'RE CONCENTRATING ON THE ROOF, IT APPEARS THAT...
DO YOU THINK THIS IS THE SAME HOUSE? WE SEE THE PICTURE OF HOW THE HOUSE LOOKED BEFORE.
THIS IS LIKE YOU BUILT A DIFFERENT HOUSE AND IT'S AN EGREGIOUS VIOLATION OF THE INTENT OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
SO THE OTHER, THE OTHER REASON WHY IT LOOKS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT IS BECAUSE WE, THEY ADDED A GABLE TO THE FRONT BECAUSE THERE WAS A WATER, THERE WAS A, AN AREA WHERE WATER WOULD, UH, SIT AND PULL TOGETHER AND CAUSE DAMAGE TO THE ROOF.
THAT WAS THE OTHER REASON WHY THE ROOF HAD TO BE REPLACED IS BECAUSE THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE TO THE, THE ACTUAL ROOF ITSELF.
I ACTUALLY DID AN INSPECTION OF THAT ROOF PRIOR TO HIM BUYING IT AND I TOLD HIM LIKE, "IF YOU BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A GOOD CLOSE TO $30,000 TO, TO FIX WHAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED." OKAY.
THERE IS THE USE OF THIS SIDING, WHICH IS NOT A REPLACEMENT FOR WHAT WAS ON IT.
ON THE, ON THE SIDING - THE PORCH HAS CHANGED EVERYTHING.
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE HOUSE USED TO, AND IT IS A RECOMMENDATION OF THE TASK FORCE THAT WE ASK YOU TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT USED TO.
SO I NEED YOU TO BE THINKING ABOUT THAT AS YOU PROCEED TO DISCUSS DETAILS WITH THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
UH, DID YOU GET A BUILDING PERMIT? AGAIN, HE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT GETTING PERMITS OR ANYTHING.
THIS - NO, A BUILDING PERMIT IS REQUIRED IN THE CITY OF DALLAS ANYWHERE.
NOT, WE'RE NOT TALKING HISTORY, WE'RE TALKING A BUILDING PERMIT.
I DIDN'T DO ANY OF THE WORK ON THE PROPERTY.
DID, DID ANYONE GET A BUILDING PERMIT? UH, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
HE DID NOT GET A BUILDING PERMIT.
HE THOUGHT HE WAS JUST MAKING A FEW CHANGES TO THE PROPERTY.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE GOING WITH HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE UNAWARE, AND THAT'S ONE REASON I'M...
I DON'T KNOW WHY HE DIDN'T CALL ME IN THE BEGINNING, BUT I WASN'T CONTACTED.
IF I WAS, I WOULD'VE GOT A PERMIT.
I JUST GOT DONE DOING ANOTHER PROPERTY AND THAT WAS THE FIRST THING I DID.
I GOT A PERMIT A MONTH PRIOR TO ME EVEN DOING ANY WORK.
UM, SO I AM AWARE OF WHAT IS REQUIRED, BUT I WOULD SAY A NORMAL HOMEOWNER THAT DOESN'T DO ANY, ANY TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION, SOME OF THEM, UH, I, I'VE ASKED MANY OF THEM AND THEY WERE LIKE A PERMIT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S JUST, YOU WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE COMMON KNOWLEDGE, BUT TO HIM IT WAS NOT.
UM, SO - WELL, THEY, THEY DID A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN A LITTLE BIT OF WORK.
I MEAN, THE, THE BUILDING HAS BEEN CHANGED FROM WHAT IT WAS TO SOMETHING IT NEVER WAS.
AND, UH, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT YOU SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON A ROOF, BUT THE ROOF IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG, SO TO SPEAK.
I, I KNOW YOU WERE NOT INVOLVED, BUT IF THE OWNER WOULD'VE GOT A BUILDING PERMIT OR GOT A CONTRACTOR THAT KNEW TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT, THEY WOULD COME TO THIS COMMISSION BEFORE THEY STARTED WORK.
NOW WE'RE IN THE AWKWARD SITUATION OF TAKING WHAT WAS AN HISTORIC HOUSE IN A PROPOSED HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND IT WENT FROM ONE CELL OF ARCHITECTURE TO SOMETHING ELSE, AND IT'S A MAJOR, MAJOR CHANGE TO THE PROPERTY.
IN FACT, THE STAFF HAS DENIED VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING ON THE, ON THE APPLICATION.
SO FROM THE SIDING? FROM THE, THE WINDOWS, THE SIDING, THE STRUCTURE, THE ROOF, THE WHOLE THING HAS BEEN DENIED.
AND THERE'S NOT MUCH I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN DO TO SALVAGE THE SITUATION.
I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT IF THEY WOULD'VE GOT A BUILDING PER - YOU CAN TELL THE OWNER THEY DIDN'T GET A BUILDING PERMIT AND THAT'S THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IN THE WHOLE THING.
SO FOR THE SIDING - YES, COMMISSIONER, UH, UH, YOUR...
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR ALSO WANTS TO SPEAK.
AND WE'RE SORRY IF WE SEEM TO BE TAKING OUT FRUSTRATIONS ON EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED THE WHOLE PROCESS ON YOU, BUT YOU'RE THE ONE WHO STANDING HERE.
AND SOMETIMES THAT'S HOW LIFE GOES.
UM, TO KIND OF NOT CONTINUE TO BERATE THE ISSUE, I THINK THE REPRE- REPRESENTATIVE NEEDS TO CONTACT THE OWNER TO MAKE HIM COME ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS BECAUSE IF YOU WEREN'T INVOLVED IN THIS PREVIOUS WORK, WE CAN ONLY GET SO MUCH FROM YOU.
AND AT, AT THIS POINT, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY KIND OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THE PROPO - THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE AND WHAT'S THE PROPOSED FIX.
SO FOR THE SIDING - THE OWNER'S ONLINE, IS WHAT WE JUST BEEN TOLD.
HE IS ONLINE, BUT HE'S, UH, HE DOESN'T HAVE A CAMERA, SO I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S ABLE TO EVEN...
YOU SAID IT'S REQUIRED TO SHOW - THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE.
YEAH, THAT'S NOT US, THAT'S A STATE LAW.
SO- SO - WHAT I WANTED TO SAY FOR THE SIDING, WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES, OF COURSE, FOR THE SIDING, THAT'S ONE BIG THING, UH, TO GO BACK TO THE, UH, THE SIDING THAT, THAT Y'ALL REQUIRE.
SO EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS $20,000 SPENT ON THE SIDING, HE'S WILLING TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
WE WANNA WORK WITH, WITH Y'ALL TO GET THIS CORRECTED.
UM, AND AGAIN, I'M SORRY FOR THE THINGS THAT WERE NOT DONE CORRECTLY,
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BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANNA SEE IF WE CAN FIND SOME COMMON GROUND TO - WELL, AND WE LIKE TO FIND COMMON GROUND.IT, IT, THIS, THIS IS THE EXTENT OF THIS CHANGES ARE BOTHERSOME, AND AS COMMISSIONERS TAYLOR HA SAID, WE MAY NEED TO TALK TO THE OWNER, AND THE OWNER APPARENTLY NEEDS TO COME IN IF HE'S EVER GONNA TALK TO US BECAUSE OF THE SECOND TIME WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET HIS VIDEO.
SO JUST, I'M NOT MAKING YOU AN OFFER, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, WHAT IF WE WERE REALLY TO SAY YOU COULD KEEP THE ROOF AND PUT EVERYTHING ELSE BACK THE WAY IT WAS? WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE? I THINK THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S POSSIBLE, BECAUSE I KNOW WE DISCUSSED ABOUT BRINGING THIS FENCE DOWN FROM FOUR TO THREE IN THE FRONT.
NOW, AS FAR AS THE FRONT GATE - AND THE VENTS ARE NOT THE BIG ISSUE, BY THE WAY.
SO WE GOT THE FENCE, THE WINDOWS.
NOW, THE WINDOWS ARE VINYL, WHICH I KNOW IS LIKE A - NO, NO, AND LAST TIME IT HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE BEFORE IT BECAME A HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT THIS TIME THAT'S THE GUY YOU SAW BEFORE, THAT'S WHY THE DIFFERENCE WAS.
AND HE WAS PROPERLY ABASHED AT HIS CHOICE OF UGLY WINDOWS, BUT HE DIDN'T DO THEM ALL.
THEY HAD BEEN THERE A LONG TIME.
SO IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO KEEP THE GABLE HOW IT IS TO KEEP ANY FURTHER WATER DAMAGE FROM HAPPENING - SO IS THAT YOUR MAXIMUM OFFER? YOU CHANGE EVERYTHING BUT THE GABLE AND THE ROOF? I THINK - PRETEND WE'RE BUYING A CAR HERE.
I, I HAVE ALREADY SPOKE TO HIM ABOUT THE SIDING.
THE SIDING IS SOMETHING HE'S WILLING TO, TO GET FIXED.
OKAY, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR IS ANNOYED THAT I'M CONTINUING TO.
SO IF WE CAN BASICALLY KEEP THE, THE ROOF AND, UH, THE GABLE, UH, I DON'T REMEMBER IF THAT WAS AN ISSUE OR NOT HAVING THE GABLE.
WAS HAVING THE GABLE AN ISSUE? UM - I MEAN, LITERALLY THE HOUSE - WELL, EVERYTHING YOU ASKED FOR WAS WHERE THE STAFF RECOMMENDED DENIAL.
UM, SO, UH, BASICALLY WE KEEP THE ROOF, THE GABLE, AND THE WINDOWS.
THOSE WERE THREE THINGS THAT I KNOW HE...
IF WE COULD DO THAT, WE COULD GET, SPEND ANOTHER 20,000 TO GET THE SIDING RE - COMPLETELY REPLACED, FIX THE FENCE, AND I THOUGH THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE OTHER THAN THAT.
I HAD ONE - I, I ADVISE YOU TO STICK THAT FAR BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S ALL ALREADY ON WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GET ME BUDDY MOVING.
IF, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THE ROOF, THE GABLE, AND THE WINDOWS, THEY'D BE OKAY AND DO THE REST.
BUT NOW IT'S OUR TURN TO DECIDE WHAT WE THINK.
I FORGOT THAT YOU WANTED THE METAL BACK ON THE PORCH, RIGHT? THAT WAS THE OTHER THING.
WE WANT IT TO LOOK AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE LIKE IT DOES IN THIS PICTURE WE HAVE OF HOW IT LOOKED BEFORE THIS WAS DONE.
AND THAT, THIS IS A SEVERE SITUATION.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHY, BECAUSE THEY YANK A LOT.
WELL, WE WENT FROM A REALLY QUAINT LITTLE HOUSE WITH A FRONT FOOT TO A DOUBLE-WIDE TRAILER.
I, I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS THE APPEARANCE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO CAME TO US TO MAKE IT A DISTRICT WERE SEEKING TO PROTECT.
SO WHAT HE IS OFFERING IS A DOUBLE WIDE TRAILER WITH DIFFERENT SIDING.
AND SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT...
OTHER COMMISSIONERS, DOES ANYONE HAVE A MOTION OR - I'M SORRY.
FURTHER QUESTIONS THEY WISH TO ASK? WHAT IS...
I, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE CONNECTION TO THE DOUBLE WIDE TRAILER IN THIS HOUSE COMES.
I, THAT, IT'S JUST SOMETHING SHE SAID.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY - I MEAN, I, I'VE WORKED ON THOSE BEFORE, BUT I, I- IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL THING WE SAY.
I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T SOMEHOW DEFINE THIS AS A DOUBLE WIDE TRAILER WITH A - NO, I THINK SHE, SHE'S JUST SAYING THAT THE MATERIAL ISSUES ON THE OUTSIDE ARE SIMILAR TO THOSE USED IN MANUFACTURED HOUSING AND NOT NORMALLY WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR.
WELL, THIS, THIS IS HARDY, AND I KNOW THAT THEY DON'T USE HARDY FOR, FOR EXTERIOR.
THAT WAS MORE SO TO KEEP THE STRUCTURE ITSELF FROM, FROM THE CARRIER.
IT WAS JUST A FINGER SPEECH, YEAH.
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS? WE ALL DO.
WELL, I HAVE NO REASON TO MOVE BEYOND ANY OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, NO, AS WELL AS THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS, NOT UNLESS THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE HERE THAT'S WILLING TO START PARSING THIS UP.
IS THERE ANYBODY HERE WILLING TO DISCUSS THIS ANY FURTHER? YEAH, THE LAUNDRY LIST IS LONG, AND I THINK IT'S ALL LAID OUT APPROPRIATELY.
THE TASK FORCE IS IN AGREEMENT.
YEAH, I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER HAS BEEN DOWN THERE HIDING FROM ME, BUT HE'S HERE.
UM, SO UNLESS SOMEBODY WISHES TO MAKE AN EMO - A MOTION THAT APPROVES SOME PORTION OF THIS, DO YOU WISH TO MAKE A MOTION? I DO.
OR IS THERE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I MEAN,
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THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO.I'M GONNA MAKE A MO - I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION ON THE CASE OF 26-3472A, ADDRESS 2312 JORDAN STREET, TO FOLLOW ALL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
OUR SECOND CAME FROM COMMISSIONER REEVES.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? LIKE, IF, IF THIS MOTION CARRIES AND THAT THEY DENIED, WHAT WOULD WE MAYBE LIKE TO SEE COME BACK? I THINK THE LAUNDRY LIST IS SO LONG.
I THINK IF, IF THIS COMES BACK IN ANY KIND OF SHAPE OR FORM, THEN THAT'S THE DISCUSSION AT THAT TIME.
I THINK THEY, THEY NEED MORE HELP THAN JUST A FEW GUIDELINES.
I THINK IT, WE NEED TO MOVE ON.
MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE EVERYTHING THAT'S ON THIS LIST OF STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
AND IF IT COMES BACK, THEN WE'LL START THE PROCESS OVER.
IF IT COULD GO BACK TO LOOKING LIKE IT USED TO, WE'VE GOT ONE PICTURE, WE'VE GOT SEVERAL PICTURES, THEN I THINK YOU'D HAVE NO TROUBLE.
AND WHAT YOU'RE OFFERING NOW IS TROUBLE SOMEPLACE IN THE MIDDLE PERHAPS WHERE YOU WANNA GO, BUT I KNOW IT WILL CLEAR WITH NO ISSUES BACK THE WAY IT WAS.
NOT ONLY THAT, WHEN YOU START HAVING LAUNDRY LISTS AND TRYING TO ACCEPT ONE PARTICULAR THING AND - NO, WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
DOMINO AND ALL THAT STUFF, YEAH.
THEY WANNA MOVE FORWARD SOMEHOW, SO WE'VE GOTTA TRY TO HELP.
I THINK THE BEST WAY IS NOT TO MOVE FORWARD AND WE WOULD BE ABLE TO POSSIBLY GET A BETTER DESIGN IF WE DON'T - THEY'VE GOTTA DO SOMETHING WITH THEIR HOUSE.
HAS IT BEEN SECONDED? YES, COMMISSIONER SECOND.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT IF I COULD.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, SIR, THEY TOOK WHAT IS KNOWN AS THE MINERAL TRADITIONAL, WHICH IS HISTORICAL STYLE, AND THEY ALTERED IT SIGNIFICANTLY.
THERE'S VIRTUALLY VERY LITTLE RESEMBLANCE TO THE HOUSE THAT WAS THERE, WHICH WAS AN HISTORIC HOUSE.
SO IF YOU CAN RELAY THE MESSAGE BACK TO THE OWNER THAT WITHOUT A BUILDING PERMIT, IF THEY WOULD'VE GOT A BUILDING PERMIT, COME TO US FIRST, THERE WOULDN'T BE A SITUATION WHERE THE HOUSE HAS BEEN TOTALLY CHANGED, NOW WE'RE COMING BACK TO THE SITUATION.
BUT TELL THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT BECAUSE IT IS A CITY PROPOSED HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE WORK THAT WAS DONE IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
IT APPEARS THAT THIS COMMISSION WILL DENY IT ENTIRELY.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THEY NEED TO MAKE NEW APPLICATION TO PUT THE BUILDING BACK EXACTLY LIKE IT WAS BEFORE HE STARTED.
WELL, THE BUILDING WAS RUN DOWN, SO I GUESS THAT'S NOT - IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE BUILDING WAS RUN DOWN.
THE BUILDING COULD HAVE BEEN EASILY RENOVATED WITH AN ADDITION TO THE BACK CHEAPER THAN WHAT YOU DID HERE.
SO THERE'S CURRENTLY PEOPLE LIVING IN THIS HOME, AND THAT'S ONE THING.
IF IT WAS POSSIBLE TO EVEN JUST GET THE ROOF APPROVED AND ALLOW THEM TO DO THE WORK ON THE OUTSIDE, BECAUSE DOING THE ROOF WITH THIS MAGNITUDE, IT JUST LEAVES TOO MUCH - WELL, IT...
YOU COULD DECIDE IF YOU WANTED TO COME BACK AND LEAVE THE ROOF THE WAY IT IS AND MAKE YOUR PROPOSALS FOR HOW YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE EXTERIOR APPEARANCE OF EVERYTHING BUT THE ROOF.
THAT IS SOMETHING FOR YOU AND THE OWNER TO DISCUSS AS YOUR, AS WHAT IS YOUR BEST BET.
BUT I THINK WHAT MR. ANDERSON IS VERY PASSIONATELY ADVOCATING FOR IS THAT WE WANNA SEE IT LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE YOUR GREATEST SUCCESS IF IT LOOKS LIKE IT USED TO, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE LIKE IT USED TO, NOT THE RUNDOWN PART OF IT, JUST THE MATERIALS, THE SHAPE, AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO IF THIS MOTION PASSES, WHICH IS LIKELY TO, YOU WILL, THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO COME BACK IN WITH A, A PLAN TO PUT IT BACK LIKE IT WAS, AND CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICERS IN THE ROOM TODAY, AND THEY WILL MAKE SURE THAT YOU COME BACK TO US OR YOU'LL BE STARTING TO GET INTO A SITUATION YOU WANNA GET INTO WITH THE CITY.
THIS IS A TRAGEDY ALL AROUND THAT THIS, THAT THIS WENT THIS FAR WITHOUT A BUILDING PERMIT AND WITHOUT COMING HERE.
THAT, THAT IS A TRAGEDY THAT, UM, WE WISH NEVER HAPPENED, BUT WHEN THEY DO, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAD CAN JUST NOT CARE HOW IT TURNED OUT.
READY FOR THE VOTE ON THIS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
IT IS ABLE, UM, SEE 10 DENIALS.
IT IS POSSIBLE TO APPEAL THIS FOR A FEE TO THE CPC, UM, AND TO BE HERE AT ONE OF THEIR MEETINGS.
THEY WILL SEE IF WE HAVE RULED IN ERROR THAT IS IF THIS, THEY THINK THIS ACTUALLY IS IN ACCORD WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
BUT BETTER TO COME BACK AND WORK WITH US.
AND I'M SORRY THAT THIS HAS HAPPENED.
WE'RE ALL CONCERNED, BUT INCLUDING US, WE'RE NOT HAPPY IT'S HAPPENING.
CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
5714 SWISS AVENUE, SWISS AVENUE HISTORIC DISTRICT, COUNCIL DISTRICT 14, COA26000527.
REQUEST NUMBER ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A REAR SIDE WRAP AROUND ONE-STORY COVERED PORCH.
REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE SCREENS AND STREET-FACING DOOR ON FRONT PORCH WITH EITHER ALL WOOD PLATE GLASS WINDOWS OR ALL WOOD WINDOWS
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IN THE CONFIGURATION OF EXISTING MAIN STRUCTURE WINDOWS.REQUEST NUMBER THREE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO POUR A 17-FOOT FOUR INCH BY 28-FOOT TWO-INCH BRUSH CONCRETE PATIO IN FRONT YARD.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION, EXCUSE ME, RECOMMENDATION FOR NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A REAR SIDE WRAPAROUND ONE-STORY COVERED PORCH BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED SEVEN / 21 / 2026 WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE PROPOSED NORTHEAST WALL OF THE COVERED PORCH BE RECESSED AT LEAST A FOOT TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE VISIBLE RELIEF FROM EXISTING ENCLOSED AND SLEEPING PORCH AND THAT THE REVISED PLANS BE SUBMITTED FOR STAFF APPROVAL.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA, SECTION 51P-63.
1161B MEETS THE CITY CODE SECTION 4.501 FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE SCREENS AND STREET FACING DOOR ON FRONT PORCH WITH ALL WOOD, ALL WOOD PLATE GLASS WINDOWS, NOT THE CONFIGURED, UH, NOT THE WINDOWS CONFIGURATION TO MATCH THE OTHER WINDOWS BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE PROPOSED FRONT DOOR BE ELIMINATED FROM THE PLAN WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE RE- RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD DIFFERENTIATE THE NEW INFILL FROM THE HISTORIC PER THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND WOULD THEREFORE ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 51P-63.
1161 AND MEET CITY CODE SECTION 4.501 FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER THREE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO POUR A 17-FOOT FOUR-INCH BY 28-FOOT TWO-INCH BRUSH CONCRETE PATIO IN FRONT YARD BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED NOVEMBER 2ND, 2026 WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE PATIO DOES NOT COVER MORE THAN 25% OF THE FRONT YARD.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROPOSED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA, SECTION 51P-631162D MEETS CI- CITY CODE SECTION 4.501 FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ONE-STORY COURT COVERED PORCH BE APPROVED AS THE ADDITION TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE AS COMPATIBLE WITH CHARACTERISTICS AND PLACEMENT BEHIND SUCH PORCH AS COMPATIBLE.
NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST TO REPLACE SCREENS ON FRONT PORCH WITH ALL WOOD WINDOWS AND DOOR BE APPROVED AS THE REPLACEMENT OF SCREENS WITH GLASS IS NOT PROHIBITED BY THE ORDINANCE AS PORCH IS NOT A FRONT PORCH OR A CHAIR.
NUMBER THREE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO POUR A 17-FOOT FOUR-INCH BY 28-FOOT TWO-INCH BRUSHED CONCRETE PATIO AND FRONT YARD BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH PLANS AND SPECIFICA- SPECIFICATIONS DATED 11 - 2- 2026 WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE PATIO DOES NOT COVER MORE THAN 25% OF THE FRONT YARD.
AND WE DO HAVE MR. JONES JOINING US AGAIN TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT.
MR. JONES, CAN YOU HEAR ME? I CAN, YES.
NAME, ADDRESS, PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
YEAH, THIS IS CHAD JONES AT 5714 SWISS AVENUE AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT? YEAH, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
I THINK AS EVERYONE IS AWARE, WE, UH, CAME TO THE COMMISSION FOR C - UH, COURTESY REVIEW LAST MONTH, UH, FOR THE REQUEST THAT WERE JUST WALKED THROUGH.
AND, UH, I WOULD SAY THAT WE'VE WORKED TO INCORPORATE VIRTUALLY ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE COMMISSION, UH, PROVIDED US WITH.
UM, I'LL JUST WALK THROUGH THEM QUICKLY.
UH, FIRST, THE REQUEST FOR THE CONSTRUCT THE REAR WRAPAROUND COVERED PORCH.
SO BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM THE COURTESY REVIEW, UH, WE DID UPDATE OUR PROPOSAL ON THAT NORTHEAST SIDE TO BRING THAT IN, RECESSED AT LEAST A FOOT, SO THAT WE WOULD FURTHER ENSURE THAT THE COVERED PORCH IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE OR THE STREET.
UM, IDEALLY, UH, IN A PERFECT WORLD, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT COME ALL THE WAY TO THE ENCLOSED SLEEPING PORCH, WHICH IS, I BELIEVE, WHAT YOU SEE IN THE PLANS AND THE PROPOSED.
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REALLY HARD TO FIND A SOLUTION HERE.SO IF THE COMMISSION DOES RECOMMEND THAT IT DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO THE SLEEPING PORCH, BUT ONLY WRAPS AROUND, YOU KNOW, FOUR, FIVE, SIX FEET FROM THE VERY BACK PART OF THE HOUSE, UM, I WOULD SAY WHILE NOT IDEAL, WE WOULD BE VERY AMENABLE FOR THAT, WHICH WOULD JUST FURTHER ENSURE THAT IT COULD NEVER BE, UM, YOU KNOW, SEEN FROM THE STREET.
UH, I WOULD SAY WE'VE ALSO TAKEN SOME EXTRA STEPS TO ENSURE THAT THE COVERED PORCH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE HOUSE, UH, AND HOW IT LOOKS AND DOES NOT LOOK LIKE AN ADD-ON, IF YOU WOULD.
UM, FURTHER, I'D SAY SOME HAD SUGGESTED WE MAY LOOK AT MOVING THE COVERED PORCH TO THE OTHER PARTS OF THE REAR EV - ELEVATIONS OF THE HOUSE.
HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, I'D STRESS THAT THIS REALLY WOULDN'T WORK AS IT WOULD THEN MAKE US SHIFT OVER TO COVER UP PART OF THE DRIVEWAY.
UH, IT WOULD ALSO MAKE US HAVE TO RIP UP A ROSE GARDEN THAT'S THERE, AND THEN JUST THE ENTRYWAY TO THAT SECTION OF THE PORCH WOULD JUST BE VERY NARROW AND VERY AWKWARD.
UM, WE ALSO EXPLORED TO GET THE SPACE WE WERE LOOKING FOR JUST GOING STRAIGHT BACK, BUT THAT WOULD CAUSE US TO HAVE TO LOOK TO REMOVE A HUNDRED-YEAR-OLD PECAN TREE, WHICH WE JUST WERE UNWILLING TO ENTERTAIN DOING.
UM, THE SECOND REQUEST WAS TO ENCLOSE THE RECESSED SIDE PORCH AND REPLACE THOSE SCREENS WITH THE WINDOWS.
UM, SO WE UPDATED THE PROPOSAL AS WAS RECOMMENDED, UH, TO REMOVE THE DOOR ON THE FRONT AND ALSO CHANGE...
WE, WE HAD IT TO LOOK LIKE THE EXISTING WINDOWS, BUT WE HAD THAT NOW RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE THAT TO THE WOOD PLATE GLASS.
UM, AND ALSO WE TOOK THE STEPS TO RECESS IT IN AS, AS FAR AS POSSIBLE, WHICH WERE BOTH RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COURTESY REVIEW.
UM, WITH THE PATIO, POURED PATIO IN THE FRONT YARD, UH, THE ONLY FEEDBACK WAS MAKING SURE IT'S UNDER THE 25% COVERAGE ORDINANCE.
UH, I CONFIRMED THAT WITH THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY THAT IS THERE AND THE EXISTING WALKWAY WITH THIS PATIO, UH, WE WOULD BE JUST UNDER - OKAY TIME, BUT LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.
I, I MOVE THAT WE GIVE HIM ONE MORE MINUTE.
SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER REEVES, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OKAY, SIR, YOU HAVE ONE MORE MINUTE TO TALK REAL FAST.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT I...
WE KNOW THAT NO HOUSE ON SWISS AVENUE IS THE SAME, AND EACH OF THESE REQUESTS NEEDS TO BE VIEWED ON ITS OWN.
I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT NOTE THAT, UH, ALL THESE REQUESTS ARE CONSISTENT WITH OTHER HOMES IN THE DISTRICT, AS WELL AS SOME RECENTLY APPROVED, UH, CAS FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS OF HOME IN THE DISTRICT.
UH, I ALSO NOTE THAT THE TASK FORCE AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDS THESE APPROVAL.
UM, FINALLY, I, I, I WOULD JUST ASK IF THERE IS ANY REASON ANY OF THESE ARE DENIED, IT, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD GET SOME DETAILS ON WHAT ORDINANCE OR CODE IT IS IN VIOLATION TO SO THAT WE CAN WORK HARD TO MAKE THE APPROPRIATE CHANGES TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT WE COULD INCORPORATE SO THAT WE COULD COME BACK AND, AND WORK TOWARDS AN APPROVAL THAT THE, THE COMMISSION WOULD BE OKAY WITH.
UM, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF NOTES THAT WERE ASKED BEFORE, AND I JUST WANTED TO SHARE.
THE REAR IS NOT A PROTECTED FACADE IN SWISS, AND IF THE PATIO OR, EXCUSE ME, COVERED PORCH WAS TO BE CONSIDERED AS AN ADDITION, THE ONLY STATEMENT IT SAYS THAT THE ADDITIONS MUST BE COMPATIBLE AND APPROPRIATE TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
OH, WELL, DOES ANYBODY ELSE NEED TO TALK FIRST? I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF CLARIFYING QUE - UM, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, UM, AND THEN ONE...
SORRY, ONE FOR STAFF AND THEN ONE FOR MR. JONES.
UM, SO, UH, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS ON, I THINK IT'S ON THE SECOND ELEMENT.
THE WINDOWS? IT HAS TO DO WITH THE, WITH HOW FAR THE, THE PORCH IS INSET FROM THE REAR, UH - YEAH.
UH, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING THAT TO AT LEAST 12 INCHES.
IT'S CURRENTLY SHOWN AT FIVE INCHES.
YES, AND THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE THEM REDO THEIR PLANS FOR A THIRD TIME SAVING THEM MONEY.
SO OUR CONDITION IS THAT IT'S RECESSED AT LEAST A FOOT.
AND- AND THEN, UH, THE QUESTION FOR MR. JONES, I, I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHERE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT REDUCING THE, THE PORCH LENGTH ON THE - OH, I, I CAN SHOW YOU THAT.
I'LL PULL IT UP SO IT'S EASY FOR YOU TO SEE.
I THINK YOU WERE SAYING FOUR FEET OR SO.
I WAS WONDERING IF IT MAY MAKE MORE SENSE TO TURN AT THE COLUMN, THE SECOND, OR I GUESS THE FIRST COLUMN MOVING FROM THE NORTH.
AND, UH, JUST TO BE CLEAR, UH, HE DID WANT ME TO PUT THIS...
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DISCUSSED IT AS STAFF AND WE JUST THOUGHT IT WAS, DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO TRUNCATE, I GUESS.UM, HERE, HERE IT IS, UM, RIGHT HERE.
SO CAN YOU SEE MY CURSOR? YEAH.
SO HE'S SAYING HE'D BE WILLING TO LIKE DISCONNECT IT FROM HERE AND MAYBE START IT RIGHT HERE-ISH.
YOU'RE SAYING WOULD IT BE BETTER JUST TO START IT BACK HERE? WELL, NO, THE NEXT COLUMN TO THE LEFT.
SO, AND AGAIN, STAFF IS JUST SAYING WHY, WHY DO THAT? I'M JUST ASKING IF THAT'S WHAT THE, THAT'S WHAT HE WAS PROPOSING.
UH, UM, CHAD, WAS IT AT THIS SPOT RIGHT HERE? YEAH.
I, I THINK, UH, LISTEN, OUR IDEAL, IT WOULD GO ALL THE WAY TO THE COVER PORCH.
UM, IF, IF WE, BUT WE WANNA FIND A WAY TO MAKE THIS WORK.
SO IF, IF, IF THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD PREFER IT TO BE AT THAT, THAT PILLAR OR OVER JUST A LITTLE BIT, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE FLUSH WITH THAT BACK BECAUSE THEN IT WOULD MAKE THE SEATING AWKWARD.
WE WOULD WANT A FEW FEET JUST TO MAKE IT MORE NATURAL.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND THE FURTHER WE CAN GO, THE BETTER.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE JUST, WE WANNA FIND A SOLUTION.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION? I DO HAVE A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER REEVES HAD A MOTION FIRST.
WHO'S GONNA MAKE THE MOTION? UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
IS THE FRONT, UH, PATIO, IS THAT A NEW APPLICATION AT THIS, OR IS THAT ON THE OTHER APPLICATION? ALL THREE OF THESE ARE ON THE OTHER, ON THE COURTESY REVIEW.
OH, THE PATIO, THE, THE, THE CONCRETE? YEAH.
IT WAS ON THERE, BUT WE DIDN'T DISCUSS IT.
UH, LESLIE DID NOT, FOR WHATEVER REASON - WE DISCUSSED IT A TINY BIT, OR MR. JONES DID, I THINK.
OH, WELL, IT WAS COMPLETELY DISCUSSED AT COURTESY REVIEW.
IT JUST WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE FIRST ONE.
I HAVE A SERIOUS CONCERN ABOUT ADDING A CONCRETE PATIO TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE THAT NEVER WAS THERE BEFORE.
I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENING IS WE HAD AN OPEN AIR AND THEN SCREENED IN PORCH, WHICH WAS THE EXTERIOR SPACE IN THE FRONT YARD.
UH, TO CLOSE IT IN WITH GLASS AND THEN ADD A PATIO TO THE FRONT YARD IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
IT'S, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S, IT'S FAKING THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE.
IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE THAT WAS ALWAYS THERE.
YOU DON'T ADD THINGS LIKE THAT TO HOUSES THAT WERE NEVER THERE BEFORE.
SO ADDING A PATIO TO THE FRONT IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
AND MOST OF THE TIME, IF THEY HAD THEM HISTORICALLY, THEY WERE A RAISED TERRACE.
BUT EVEN THAT WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE YOU DO NOT ADD THINGS TO FRONTS OF HOUSES, PARTICULARLY IN A HOUSE OF SWISS AVENUE, JUST BECAUSE WE WANT ONE.
I ALSO DON'T SUPPORT ENCLOSING THE GLASS OR THE REAR ADDITION, BUT WE'LL SEE WHERE THAT GOES.
I'M GOING WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE PAST APPLICATIONS DENIAL FOR BOTH OF THEM.
UH, NOW, WHO WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION? MR.ON DO IT.
REGARDING, UM, LET'S SEE, UH, D23 CASE ITEM, UH, COA26527, ALSO KNOWN AS 5714 SWISS AVENUE, THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS ON ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
WE CAN, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT ONE.
WOULD, WOULD THE MAKER CONSIDER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? I, I'M LESS IN SUPPORT OF THE ONE, UM, THREE, THE ONE IN THE FRONT, BECAUSE IT'S IN THE FRONT, WHICH IS DIFFERENT.
BUT ISN'T IT ALLOWED PER ORDINANCE? IT IS ALLOWED.
THERE'S PAVEMENT ALLOWED IN THE FRONT AS LONG AS IT'S UNDER 25%.
IS THIS 17 BY 28 FOOT ONE UNDER 25? IT EQUALS UP TO 23% WHEN EVERYTHING IS.
I MEAN, WE'RE SWISS AV - SWISS AVENUE IS, THEY HAVE HUGE FRONT YARDS.
WHAT DOES THE ORDINANCE ACTUALLY SAY ABOUT ADDING PATIOS TO THE FRONT YARD? IT SAYS.
YOU CAN JUST TYPE THAT ONE IN MOST ANY TIME.
IT SAYS REBUILDING FRONT ENTRANCES AND PORCHES.
IT JUST SPEAKS TO THE DETAILING
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OF THE FRONT ENTRANCES AND PORCHES.UM, ENCLOSURES, FACADE OPENINGS, PORCH FLOOR COVERINGS.
LOCATION AND, AND ENTRANCE TREATMENT INCLUDING DOOR TRANSIT.
OH, YES, THAT'S WHAT I, I JUST WAS CHECKING IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE.
THAT'S THE ONE I USED, WAS THE PAVEMENT.
THE PAVEMENT FILLER AND EDGING MATERIALS SUCH AS LANDSCAPING, TIMBER, GRAVEL, BAR USED IN LANDSCAPE BEDS IN THE FRONT AND CORNER SIDE MUST BE REVIEWED BY THE COMMISSION AS PART OF THE OVERALL LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, COLLECTIVELY COMPRISING NO MORE THAN 25% OF THE COMBINED FRONT AND SIDE.
CORNER SIDE, NO MORE THAN 25% OF THE YARD OF A RESIDENTIAL USE MAY BE COVERED BY PAVEMENT OR FILLER MATERIALS.
SIDEWALKS, DRIVEWAYS, CURBING.
IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T PROHIBIT IT.
IT JUST SPEAKS TO PAVEMENT AS A WHOLE.
AND IS THAT THE INTENT? OR IS IT SIDEWALKS AND PAVEMENTS INSIDE INSIDE IT? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE READING THAT IN - IT COULD BE CONSIDERED...
I MEAN, IF IT'S NOT THERE TO PROHIBIT IT, THEN YOU HAVE TO ASK, IS IT APPROPRIATE? AND AT THAT POINT, IT, IT COULD BE CONSIDERED HARDSCAPE.
I MEAN - I THINK THE INTENTION WAS LANDSCAPE FEATURES.
TALK ABOUT BARK, GRAVEL, LANDSCAPE BEDS, THAT SORT OF THING.
I THINK ADDING A PATIO TO A HOUSE NEVER HAD ONE IS GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION AND IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE SECOND INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR FAKING HISTORICAL - I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT PAVEMENT WOULD BE ANYTHING YOU WOULD PUT IN YOUR LANDSCAPING.
LET'S ASK QUESTION - 'CAUSE WE DON'T ALLOW ROCKS AND GRAVEL AND...
I, I JUST, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE BEING VERY CLEAR.
IT'S, YOU HAVE TO COMBINE SIDEWALK, DRIVEWAY - HE DID.
PATIO AND THE LANDSCAPE BEDS ALL HAVE TO BE 25% OR LESS.
IT'S VERY CLEAR IN THAT LANGUAGE.
SO EITHER THAT MATH ADDS OR IT DOESN'T.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, BECAUSE YOU, THE, THE WAY THE STAFF COMMENTS ARE WRITTEN, IT JUST SAYS NO MORE THAN 25% OF THE FRONT YARD.
THE PATIO WOULD BE NO MORE, BUT IT'S ALL PAVEMENT AND ALL FILLER MATERIALS WHICH ARE DEFINED AS LANDSCAPE BEDS.
SO - BASICALLY IT SAYS 75% OF THE FRONT YARD HAS TO BE GRASS.
AND IF WE NEED TO ADD THAT VERBIAGE IN, WE CAN.
OUR INTENT WAS THAT ALL OF IT TOGETHER DOES NOT ADD UP TO MORE THAN 25%.
YOU WERE SAYING YOU WERE GETTING IT 23%? YES.
I, HE SENT ME - AND THAT WAS WITH EVERYTHING INCLUDED, SIDEWALKS, DRIVEWAY, EVERYTHING.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE INTENT IS.
SO FOR THE AMOUNT OF PAYMENT ON THE FRONT PORTION OF THE HOUSE, WHAT IS EXISTING DRIVEWAY WALKWAY MAKES UP JUST UNDER 18% OF THE FRONT YARD.
ONCE THE NEW SITTING AREA OR WHAT WE'RE DESCRIBING AS PATIO IS ADDED, IT WILL BE JUST UNDER 23%.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO ADD IN THE...
LET ME PULL UP THE SITE PLAN FOR EVERYBODY, SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
OKAY, WE CAN SEE KIND OF FROM HERE THE FLOWER BEDS.
SO THIS FRONT PART IS THE ONLY ADDED FLOWER BEDS, THE BUSHES, WHICH WAS ALREADY BACK HERE.
AND THIS HERE, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THIS BLACK IS NOT GONNA BE HERE.
AGAIN, I DIDN'T MAKE HIM REVISE THE PLANS BECAUSE I'M WAITING TILL THE END SO THAT HE CAN BRING US STAMPABLE PLANS THAT HAVE ALL CONDITIONS INCLUDED.
SO IF YOU TAKE AWAY THIS RIGHT HERE, THEN ALL OF THIS IS HERE.
DID YOU SAY THAT THE, THE SQUARE IN FRONT OF THE PORCH IS A FLOWER BED OR IT'S A PATIO? THE BLACK PART? NO, THE WHITE PART IN FRONT OF THE - WELL, IT, IT HAS THE BUSHES.
IT HAS BUSHES, OVERALL BUSHES OR FLOWERS.
IT'S PROBABLY EASIER FOR YOU TO SEE IT, UM, IN THE DOCKET, BUT LET ME SEE IF I CAN...
SO DO WE HAVE DETAILS OF WHAT THAT
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SQUARE AREA LOOKS LIKE OR IS - IT'S IN THE PICTURE OF THE FRONT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT FACADE PHOTO.I, CHAD, WILL YOU BE PUTTING THE SAME BUSHES IN THERE? THE SAME ONES THAT ARE EXISTING RIGHT NOW AGAINST THE FRONT OF THE FACADE, WILL YOU BE PUTTING THOSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PAVED? YEAH.
SO WHAT WE'D LOVE TO DO IS PUT, UH, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THOSE TO, TO TRANSFER, BUT YES, KINDA JUST A LINE OF BOXWOODS UP AT THE FRONT.
AND THEN THE, THE BLACK AREA THERE WHERE THE, UH, CONCRETE POUR WOULD GO, UH, THAT'S CURRENTLY...
CURRENTLY, THERE'S ALREADY A ROW OF KIND OF PLANTS RIGHT THERE IN THE FRONT WHERE WE WOULD PUT THOSE BOX, UH, BOXWOODS.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY JUST KIND OF ALL DIRT.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S A ROW OF BUSHES BY THE HOUSE.
UM, AND JUST LOOKING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT AS A SEATING AREA TO SIT OUT THERE AND WATCH THE KIDS PLAY AND RIDE BIKES UP THE STREET.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE MAKER.
WOULD YOU TAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO DISREGARD THE, THE, THE CONCRETE PATIO? MY FEELING IS THAT NOBODY ELSE ON SWISS AVENUE HAS THEM AND EVERYBODY WILL WANT ONE AND WE'RE GONNA GET PATIOS ALL OVER AND DOWN THE STREET.
BEFORE, BEFORE I AGREE WITH THAT, IS THAT BLACK AREA CURRENTLY MOST OF THE FLOWER BED RIGHT NOW? NOT THAT BIG, NO.
SEE THE FLOWER BED IN THE FRONT? WELL, I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A SPACE BETWEEN THE WINDOW AND THE, AND THE SHRUTS WHERE THAT DOG THING IS TO THE...
CHRISTINE, IS IT OKAY IF I COMMENT ON THAT? SURE, SURE.
UH, AND THAT'S A HALLOWEEN DECORATION.
WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THE SKELETON DOG THERE.
UM, YES, THERE IS A - WHY NOT?
I CAN'T SEE THE PICTURE ANYMORE, BUT IF YOU - YEAH, UM...
IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT, THERE'S THE LARGE BOXWOOD LOOKING PLANTS RIGHT BY THE, RIGHT BY THE BUDDING UP NEXT TO THE HOUSE.
THEN YOU HAVE A FEW FEET, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY FIVE OR SIX FEET OF, UM, IT, IT'S BASICALLY JUST DIRT AREA.
AND THEN IF YOU CAN SEE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT DOG, THERE'S THAT KIND OF LOW LEVEL BUSH OUT FRONT.
SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS KIND OF THAT DIRT NO MAN'S LAND THERE THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY GRASS, IS JUST FILL THAT IN SO THAT WHEN WE GO OUT THERE AND USE THOSE CHAIRS AND SIT, ET CETERA, WE'RE NOT STANDING IN MUD OR DIRT.
UM, THE REASON WE CAUGHT THOUGH CONCRETE WAS BECAUSE WHEN WE WALK UP AND DOWN THE STREET, A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF HOUSES HAVE CONCRETE FRONT SITTING AREAS UP THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE AMENABLE TO OTHER TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, HARDSCAPE, IF YOU WILL, OTHER THAN CONCRETE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, FLAGSTONE, ET CETERA.
THERE, THERE IS CURRENTLY THERE, UM, IF YOU LOOKED AT THE DRAWING ON THAT OTHER SIDE WHERE WE'RE NOT DOING THAT WALKWAY, THAT'S ACTUALLY CURRENT FLAGSTONE.
A LOT WHERE THOSE CHAIRS ARE, THERE IS A ROW OF FLAGSTONE THAT'S ALREADY THERE, UM, AS KIND OF A WALKING AREA.
UH, OUR IDEA WAS JUST TO MAKE IT CLEANER AND SIMPLER AND, AND JUST HAVE THAT SEATING AREA TO BE ABLE TO, TO INCORPORATE THAT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH A LOT OF HOUSES ON THE STREET.
MADAM CHAIR, IT LOOKS TO ME BETWEEN THE, THE FOXWOOD AND THE LITTLE SHRUBS THAT ARE FURTHER OUT, THAT LOOKS LIKE WHERE THEY'RE GONNA PUT THE CONCRETE, WHICH MOSTLY FOR THE SHRUBS ANYWAY.
SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE THE CURRENT SHRUBS IN FRONT OF THE CONCRETE.
WELL, MAYBE THEY'LL LEAVE THE LITTLE SHRUBS THERE.
EITHER ONE WILL BLOCK THE CONCRETE.
SO OUR, OUR MOTION STANDS TO FOLLOW THAT ESSENTIALLY FOR EVERYONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY NO.
OKAY, ELAINE, I KNOW YOU WERE JUST DRIFTING, BUT NOW YOU GET THE...
DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER CUMMINS? NO.
DISTRICT TWO, COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY.
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.DISTRICT SEVEN, COMMISSIONER SMITH.
DISTRICT EIGHT, COMMISSIONER ROZANSKI.
DISTRICT NINE, COMMISSIONER RENEAU.
DISTRICT 11, COMMISSIONER ANTERANTE? YES.
DISTRICT 12, COMMISSIONER ROETHENBERGER.
DISTRICT 13, COMMISSIONER PREZIOSI? NO.
DISTRICT 14, COMMISSIONER HARPER? NO.
COMMISSIONER REEVES? WE HAVE FOUR NOS.
IT PASSED BY HOW MUCH? SEVEN YESES.
SO SOME OF OUR NOS WERE, WE'RE NOT SURE THAT THEY, UM, TOTAL ADDED UP TO THE 23%.
UM, BUT WE APPEARED THAT THE MOTION HAS CARRIED, SO YOU MAY FINALLY, SIR, MOVE AHEAD WITH YOUR, UM...
APPARENTLY YOU'VE GOT TO DO YOUR NEW PLAN.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? GO AHEAD AND ASK QUESTION, COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS.
UH, IF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS BASED UPON THE 25%, WHICH IS ALLOWABLE ON THE HARDSCAPE ON THE CONCRETE - I, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT.
THAT STILL HAS TO BE AFFECTED.
AND SO IS THAT GOING TO BE REVIEWED AGAIN? 'CAUSE WE...
I NEVER REALLY HEARD A DEFINITIVE ANSWER BETWEEN WHAT'S EXISTING CONCRETE AND, AND PROPOSED CONCRETE TOGETHER THAT IT DOES FALL ON THAT 25%.
SO IF THAT'S IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND ORDINANCE - IT DOES.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS GONNA STILL BE ADHERED TO.
AND STAFF, UH, I, I WILL REWRITE IT SO THAT IT INCLUDES ALL LANDSCAPE AND THAT IT MUST BE UNDER 25.
YEAH, I, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT, BECAUSE I WANT IT TO BE EXACTLY AS WELL.
SO I'LL MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS INCLUDED IN THAT AS 25%.
AND CHAD HAS AGREED THAT IF IT IS UNDER, HE WOULD MAKE THAT SMALLER.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE'S SUDDENLY A VACUUM RUNNING ITSELF IN HERE OR WHATEVER THAT SOUNDED.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING LEFT TO DO EXCEPT VOTE ON OUR MINUTES.
THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR TIME.
EVERYTHING WAS APPROVED PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION, SO I'LL BE IN TOUCH AND WE'LL GET THE FINALIZED REVISIONS DONE SO WE CAN STAMP THE BACK PATIO.
ALL RIGHT NOW, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES AS THEY WERE PRESENTED? NO CHANGES.
OKAY, THEN ANYBODY GOT A MOTION? OKA COMMISSIONER REEVES.
WHO MADE THE MOTION? COMMISSIONER REEVES.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES LOUDLY TO OVERCOME THAT NOISE.
HAVING COMPLETED OUR BUSINESS, IT IS 3:17 AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.