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[Trinity River Corridor Local Government Corporation Board Workshop on October 30, 2026.]
IT IS 10:12 ON FRIDAY, OCTOBER 30TH, AND WE ARE GOING TO CALL THIS WORKSHOP.THE ORDER, UM, ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS, I GUESS NO PUBLIC SPEAKERS, SEEING NO PUBLIC SPEAKERS, WE WILL PROCEED WITH THE AGENDA.
UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE MINUTES.
THESE MINUTES ARE IN THE PACKET.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGE? OR YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING WILD IN THEM?
MOTION, UH, MOTION, UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES? AYE.
ANYBODY WHO FEELS DIFFERENTLY? ALL RIGHT, PERFECTLY.
I FEEL LIKE A DAY HAS BEEN MADE.
SO IN THE, UM, PACKET TO Y'ALL, LITERALLY THE NAME SAYS IT ALL, IT SAYS THE ANNUAL REPORT.
UM, IT WAS, A COPY WAS SENT OUT VIA EMAIL, UH, I THINK YESTERDAY.
I KNOW WE'VE ALL BEEN KIND OF BUSY.
UM, GARY, I'M ALMOST CERTAIN YOUR NAME ISN'T SO, BUT YOU'RE GONNA TELL ME THAT ON THE PAGE, UM, PAGE FIVE.
THAT WAS MY COMMENT LAST - I FEEL LIKE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A C, NOT K.
ANY OTHER CHANGES Y'ALL? CHRIS, I NOTICED YOUR NAME IS PROPER.
IT DOESN'T - YEAH, I HAVE THE T, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
UM, ANY OTHER CHANGES IN THIS? I, OBVIOUSLY Y'ALL, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THE COMMITTEES AND SUBCOMMITTEES THIS YEAR.
UM, SO I THINK WHAT IS IN HERE IS WHAT WAS DISCUSSED.
BUT ANY CHANGES, ANY AMENDMENTS? OR, OR ADDITIONS, I SHOULD SAY, TO THE ANNUAL REPORT? THE MODIFICATION ON PAGE FIVE.
LET'S PLEASE CHANGE GARY'S NAME TO THE C.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE Y'ALL? ANYBODY WANTS TO ADD LIKE A GIFT OR ANYTHING IN THERE?
WELL, WITH NO CHANGES OR OTHER THINGS, LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO APPROVE THIS LOVELY REPORT.
THANK YOU TO STAFF, UM, FOR HOLDING ONTO THIS FOR US FOR 10 MONTHS.
UM, MOTIONS? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE 2025 ANNUAL REPORT.
THAT GUY IS ON FIRE THIS MORNING.
ANYONE ELSE FEEL DIFFERENTLY? SAY SOMETHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT.
UM, ALSO IN THIS WONDERFUL PACKET ARE THE QUARTERLY MEETING DATES.
UM, EDDIE, YOU HAD A GREAT SUGGESTION.
SO JUST AGAIN, FOR NOW, UH, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO, UH, FIGURE OUT WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR NEXT YEAR, UM, GIVEN ALL THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE CITY.
UM, ANY CHANGES THOUGH? WE'RE HITTING ANY HOLIDAYS OR ANY OTHER DATES THAT PEOPLE FEEL ARE INAPPROPRIATE OR NOT IDEAL FOR A MEETING AT THIS TIME? I THINK THE QUARTERLY, UH, CADENCE MAKES SENSE.
WITH THAT, EDDIE, YOU WANNA MAKE THIS MOTION? MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE 2027 MEETING CASES.
GOING SOME OTHER WAY, SAY SOMETHING.
SO THE NEXT THING IS THE WORK GROUP REPORTS.
UM, I KNOW I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF YOU.
THE WORK GROUPS THIS YEAR ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT WITH THE CHANGE AT TRINITY PARK CONSERVANCY AND THE NEW CEO.
UM, THEY'VE SHARED WITH US THAT, UM, THEY WERE REWORKING THE, UM, THE COMMITTEES TO BETTER ALIGN THEIR STRATEGIC CURRENT PLANS AND PATH FORWARD.
AND SO THERE HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN PROPER WORK GROUPS.
AND SO IN SAYING THAT, I KNOW MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD, UH, ON SOME VARIOUS PIECES OF WHAT WE DO.
AND SO I'LL JUST KIND OF WORK THROUGH IT.
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BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION, ME AND ANDREW, I THINK IT'S DIANE.DIANE, YOU GOT ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT WE DISCUSSED? UM, MM-MM.
UH, THE ONLY THING I WOULD JUST ADD ON, UM, TO DIANE IS, UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS YEAR WE CHARTED OUT ON BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION TO LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT AGREEMENTS, UM, WHICH I KNOW WE'LL PROBABLY TALK ABOUT SHORTLY WITH THE PRESENTATION FROM THE CITY.
UH, WE HAVE NOT MADE ANY MATERIAL CHANGES TO THOSE AGREEMENTS THIS YEAR, AND SO THEY STAND AS THEY ARE.
UM, I, I WILL SAY THAT'S KIND OF THE STATE OF PLAY OF BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION.
ANY QUESTIONS AROUND THAT, ANYBODY? THERE WAS SOME URGENCY AROUND CHANGING THE AGREEMENT.
AND, AND SO, BUT NOW HERE WE ARE, SO WHAT - HERE WE ARE.
I - DOES IT HAVE TO HAPPEN? SHOULD IT HAPPEN? LIKE, OR ARE THERE OTHER, OTHER, OTHER THINGS AT PLAY? YEAH.
WELL, UM, JERRY, I, I'M GLAD YOU SAID SOMETHING AND SINCE THIS WAS SENT VIA EMAIL, I THINK SOME OF YOU MIGHT HAVE SHARED THIS WITH SOME OF Y'ALL, BUT, UM, PROBABLY IN SEPTEMBER, UM, CITY MANAGER SENT AN EMAIL TO, UM, OR SENT A LETTER, UM, TO, UM, ANDREW.
WELL, SENT A LETTER REALLY TO TPC, BUT ANDREW AND I WERE COPIED ON THE LETTER.
AND THE LETTER, UH, REALLY ASKED TPC FOR KIND OF A TIMELINE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PLANNING, BUDGETS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
I THINK THE DEADLINE FOR THAT, ISN'T IT THIS MONTH? IS IT NEXT IN DECEMBER? THANK YOU, SARAH.
AND SO, UM, THAT KIND OF TRUMPS, I THINK ANYWHERE STARTED TO CHANGE BECAUSE, UM, I THINK TPC ITSELF IS SORT OF FIGURING OUT WHAT IT WANTS TO DO.
I MEAN, SOME OF WHAT STARTED THE AMENDMENT PROCESS WAS THE DISCUSSION AND NEED TO MAYBE INCORPORATE THE WEST OVERLOOK INTO CERTAIN THINGS.
AND SO, UM, THERE HASN'T REALLY BEEN A CLEAR PATH, I WOULD SAY, TO MAKE ANY AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD ALLOW EITHER TPC OR US TO ENGAGE IN A MORE IMPACTFUL WAY ON THE PARK.
THAT WOULD BE MY, MY TAKEAWAY SO FAR.
SO THERE WAS, UH, THERE WAS A LETTER THAT, THAT Y'ALL HAD SENT OUT IN THE SUMMER AROUND, UM, MOVING THE, THE OVERS - THE OVERSIGHT OF THE WEST OVERLOOK UNDER THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.
AND SO THAT'S STILL IN THE PLAN OR IS THAT - WELL, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
I, UM, TARA, IS THAT SOMETHING Y'ALL MIGHT ADDRESS IN THE DECK? SO I DID NOT HAVE THAT IN THE DECK TOO.
WE'RE WAITING UNTIL DECEMBER TO GET A PLAN FROM - OKAY.
TBC THAT ALSO REQUIRES THEM TO DO AN AUDITING OF THEIR ACCOUNTS TO ENSURE THAT THEY DIDN'T RAISE ANY MONEY ON BEHALF OF THE MISSION THAT YOU ALL HAD CONTRACTED WITH THEM, AND THAT WAY ALL THOSE STEPS GET TAKEN AND THEN WE CAN BRING ALL THAT BACK FORWARD THROUGH YOU ALL.
I WASN'T AWARE THAT THAT'S THE, UH, ILLUMINATING FACTOR.
YEAH, I THINK, GARY, IT'S PROBABLY ONE, ONE OF THE FACTORS PERHAPS.
UM, I THINK THE CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP AT TPC AND, UM, FRANKLY, I CAN, I COULD PROBABLY SHARE MORE OF THAT.
I'LL SHARE MORE OF THAT ONCE WE GET, IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL REPORTS BEFORE WE GET IN.
UM, ANDREW AND I HAD A, UH, CALL WITH BRIAN KILPATRICK, THE NEW CEO, UM, AND WE ACTUALLY ARE SET TO HAVE A MEETING WITH HIM, I THINK DECEMBER, EARLY 1ST OF DECEMBER TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THEIR CURRENT PLAN, FUNDRAISING, ALL THE THINGS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THEY'VE BEEN IN THE NEWS A LOT WITH ALL THE FUNDRAISING THEY'VE BEEN DOING.
ALL THOSE, ALL THAT NEWS, I THINK DIANE MAY, MIGHT HAVE SAID SOMETHING, UM, IS ALL MONEY THAT HAD BEEN IN THE PIPELINE HAD BEEN PLEDGED.
MONEY THAT'S, UH, NOW LIVE, I GUESS, OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE APPROPRIATE WORD IS, BUT - NO, THAT'S RIGHT.
AND, UH, BRIAN SHARED WITH US THAT ESSENTIALLY THE FUNDRAISE NUMBER TO DATE, THAT WAS, AND AGAIN, THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN AS OF PROBABLY A MONTH AGO, WAS STILL 200 MILLION-ISH.
I THINK THAT WAS THE NUMBER, SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY NORTH OF THAT YET.
UH, BUT THEY HAD A PLAN, THEY HAD HIRED A CONSULTANT TO HELP FUNDRAISE.
I MEAN, THERE'S JUST ALL KINDS OF NEW THINGS HAPPENING.
AND SO, UH, THE MEETING WILL HAVE FIRST WEEK OF DECEMBER KIND OF WALK THROUGH MORE DETAILS OF
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WHERE THEY ARE FINANCIALLY.UM, I MEAN, ALSO WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, MIGHT AS WELL JUST GO DOWN THIS ROAD.
UM, SO THEY'RE ALSO, UH, THIS, THIS IS, I MEAN, SINCE IT'S BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION AT TPC, THEY ALSO HAD A S - UH, A, A, SOMEWHAT OF A, I DON'T WANNA CALL IT A RISK, BUT THEY HAVE, UM, THEY HAVE LESS STAFF, DECREASED STAFF AT TPC.
THEY'RE NOW DOWN TO ABOUT 11, UH, STAFF DOWN FROM 16.
SO THERE WAS SOME MOVEMENT THERE POST CEO CHANGE.
UM, THEIR ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET REMAINS AT ABOUT 1.5 MILLION.
UM, SOME OF US, I KNOW WE TALKED, THEY WERE, THERE WAS TALK BY TPC OF HIRING SOME CONSULTANTS TO HELP THEM, UH, NAVIGATE.
THEY DID NOT GO DOWN THAT ROAD.
UM, THEY DID CONFIRM, UM, THAT THEY HAD HIRED THIS, UH, FUNDRAISING CONSULTANT TO HELP.
UM, THEY ARE WORKING ON AN EIGHT-FIGURE GIFT FROM A NEW DONOR, FAMILY FOUNDATION.
THEY WILL NOT DISCLOSE WHEN WE TALKED WHO THAT DONOR WAS OR HOW BIG THAT EIGHT-FIGURE GIFT IS.
UH, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, THEY'RE ANTICIPATING THAT IT'S PART OF THIS NEW MUSH.
SO THIS ISN'T THE PLEDGE MONEY, IT'S THE MONEY.
UM, AND THEN I MENTIONED THE 200 MILLION TO DATE, AND THEY HAVE ABOUT 17 MILLION IN THE BANK AND 12 MILLION IN OUTSTANDING PLEDGES, BUT I THINK A LOT OF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING COME, UM, TO BE FINALIZED.
AND SO THE DELTA THEY SEE THAT EXISTED, AND AGAIN, THIS MEETING WAS 10-1, CONVERSATION HAPPENED.
THEY SEE ABOUT A $50 MILLION DELTA FUNDRAISING GAP BETWEEN WHAT THEY NEED AND WHAT THEY THINK THEY HAVE SO FAR.
IS THIS ON THE RESI - REVISED PLAN, A REDUCED PLAN, OR IS IT - YOU MEAN THE FINANCES? YEAH.
BRIAN, IT SEEMS LIKE CAME IN AND WAS TRYING TO SORT SOME THINGS AND MAKE SURE - OKAY.
HIS ASSESSMENT AS OF 10-1 WAS THE GAP THAT THEY THINK THEY STILL NEED TO RAISE ABOUT 50 MILLION.
AND, UH, THAT'S WHY THAT EIGHT FIGURE GIFT AND SOME OTHER THINGS COME DOWN THE PIPE.
UM, THE, WHAT YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT, I THINK, GARY, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MONEY THAT THEY HAD REQUESTED, THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, THAT, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO RESUBMIT THAT.
LIKE THAT'S NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE JUST SITTING THERE IN THE PROCESS UNLESS CITY HAS DIFFERENT, BUT, UM, THAT'S STILL SOMETHING THEY ANTICIPATE.
SO THEY REQUESTED MONEY FROM THE ADC? MM-HMM.
THERE'S NO FORMAL SUBMISSION, YEAH.
SO THEY'RE, BUT THAT WAS THE PLAN, WAS TO GO TO MCMAHON.
UM, SO THEY'RE ANTICIPATING THE PLAYGROUND WILL BE, UM, COMPLETED IN NEXT YEAR.
MOST OF THAT I THINK IS GONNA BE IN THE WEST OVERLOOK.
I'M JUST GOING THROUGH MY NOTES.
UM, AND THEY WILL PROCEED WITH A KIND OF TWO-YEAR BUILD OUT WITH WHAT THEY'RE CALLING, LIKE, THE HEART OF THE PARK, WHICH IS, LIKE, THIS CORE PART.
I DON'T KNOW IF EDDIE AND GARY ALL KNOW THE PARK MUCH BETTER THAN ANY OF US.
SO BAC IS STILL DOING, I MEAN, PART, PER THE ORIGINAL SCHEDULE.
THEY'RE STILL IN THE PARK, YEAH.
AND FOCUSING ON, AGAIN, THE SORT OF CENTRAL CORE OF THE PART OF ACTIVATION.
AND THEN I THINK IDEALLY OVER YEARS, THEY'LL THINK ABOUT OTHER PARTS BASED ON WHAT'S HAPPENING.
UM, SO INFRASTRUCTURE WORK'S STILL CONTINUING.
THE PLAYGROUND WILL START PRIOR TO, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A GAP.
UM, SO INFRASTRUCTURE WORK CONTINUES TO THE END OF THE YEAR, AND THEY SAID THEY'RE CURRENTLY ON TIME AND ON BUDGET.
AND THEN THEY ARE WORKING ON VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION AT THE HEART OF THE PARK.
SO THE PHASE ONE OF THE WEST OVERLOOK, I THINK, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW IT REALLY WELL.
AND THAT WILL COMMENCE JANUARY 27TH FOR Q1, UM, PENDING PERMITS AND VACATE AND
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ABANDONMENT OTHER THINGS, PROBABLY FROM THE CITY.AND SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE ASK TO THE CITY THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON IS A VACATE AND ABANDON PERMIT, UM, AND THEY, I THINK HIRING A CONSULTANT TO HELP THEM NAVIGATE THAT.
BUT THEY WANNA CONTINUE CONSTRUCTION, NOT FLORIDA.
I THOUGH THERE WAS, UH, CON- CONTRACTUAL CHANGES THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDED FOR THE VACATE AND ABANDON.
YOUR MEETING, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, KAREN.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT, BUT AS FAR AS LIKE FOR THE PROCESS.
UM, THE MEETING IN EARLY DECEMBER, HONESTLY, IF, UM, FOR QUORUM, IF ONE OF Y'ALL WANTS TO JOIN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND THE, THE PURPOSE OF IT IS TO WALK THROUGH THE FINANCIALS AND JUST GET A LITTLE DEEPER.
LIKE SOME OF THESE REALLY THOUGHTFUL QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL ARE ASKING, JUST GET MORE DETAILS AS TO HOW THAT ACTUALLY IS GOING TO WORK.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AROUND BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION AND AGREEMENT? OKAY.
I FEEL LIKE GARY, EDDIE, THAT'S YOU GUYS.
THE, UM, THE INFRASTRUCTURE WORK THAT'S ON, IT'S ONGOING.
BUT THE, UH, UH, HAVEN'T HAD VISIBILITY TO WHAT'S TO THE SECOND PHASE AND, AND WHAT THE, UH, PERMIT STATUS WAS.
I KNOW THAT THIS, UH, APPLICATION WAS UNDERWAY, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN WHETHER IT'S, UH, WHETHER THE CITY HAS IT OR ARE THEY GOING BACK AND FORTH.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T HAVE THAT STATUS EITHER.
UM, SARAH, DO Y'ALL KNOW ABOUT THE, WHAT GARY'S ASKING THESE PERMITS? IS THAT WITH Y'ALL OR IS THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE? UM, WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT THE IS WORKING THROUGH OUR PERMIT OFFICE AND WORKING THROUGH OUR REAL ESTATE DIVISION.
UM, THERE'S A NUMBER OF STEPS - YEAH.
THAT HAVE TO BE UNDERTAKEN IN ORDER FOR THEM TO PROCEED.
AND SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN QUEUE, UH, AND TRYING TO WORK THROUGH ALL THE APPROVALS FOR ANY SORT OF LICENSING AND/OR ABANDONMENT.
UH, IT'S KIND OF TIED BACK TO WHAT THEY ULTIMATELY WANT, WANT US HOW THEY WANT TO PROCEED AS TO WHAT INSTRUMENT THEY USE FOR THE TWO TRIANGLE PARCELS THAT THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT.
ANYTHING ELSE, GENTLEMEN? NO, MA'AM.
AND THEN EXTERNAL RELATIONS, THAT'S ME, YOU AND MARTHA.
WE HAVEN'T HAD A MEETING AT ALL.
NO, THEY HAVEN'T HAD A MEETING.
SO, UH, THIS IS ONE OF THE COMMITTEES THAT, UM, TBC, I THINK THEY PRETTY MUCH, IT DOESN'T EXIST.
SO, UM, JUST THE CONSULTANT THAT WAS HELPING THEM ON PR IS NO LONGER THERE.
SO, UM, WE DO NOT HAVE AN UPDATE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN ANY REAL MATERIAL UPDATES.
UH, THIS YEAR, OBVIOUSLY, AS MANY OF YOU SAW, AT LEAST RECENTLY, TPC HAS FOCUSED ON THESE, YOU KNOW, ANNOUNCING THESE BUDGETS THAT HAVE BEEN IN QUEUE.
UM, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME THREATS THIS YEAR AROUND, LIKE, PART- PARTS OF THE PLAYGROUND THAT'S STARTING TO COME IN.
I KNOW THAT'S STILL MOVING ON TIME.
WE'RE GONNA, I THINK, STORE IT.
THAT'S THE BIG THING, I FEEL LIKE, FOR THIS YEAR.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP, AND THEN I THINK EVERYBODY'S SEEN THAT BRIAN IS THE NAMED PERMANENT CEO.
SO, UM, I THINK THEY ARE MOVING FULL SPEED AHEAD NOW.
ANYTHING ELSE, CB? NO, THAT'S IT.
UM, I GUESS REALLY TO ASK A MORE THOUGHTFUL QUESTION BEFORE WE GO INTO THE, UM, BALANCE VISION PLAN AND SARAH'S TEAM DOES HER THING.
UM, ARE Y'ALL COOL WITH THESE WORK GROUPS GOING INTO 27? MM-HMM.
YOU PLAYED WITH THEM FOR THIS YEAR TO TRY TO MAKE THEM MORE EFFICIENT.
I THINK THEY ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE SUCCINCT, BUT DO WE ALL FEEL THAT WAY? YEAH.
AND DOES ANYBODY WANNA CHANGE WORK GROUPS OR ANYTHING? YOU AND EDDIE ARE, YOU AND GARY ARE SO GOOD AT.
WELL, Y'ALL, WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO, UH, THE CITY'S
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PRESENTATION.I WILL SAY BEFORE WE, WE HEAR, UM, I THINK THE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE, UM, SO FAR THIS MORNING HAVE BEEN VERY THOUGHTFUL.
UM, ON BEHALF OF ME AND ANDREW, I WILL SAY I'VE GOTTA REALLY THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO THIS BOARD, ESPECIALLY SOME OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN ON THIS BOARD SINCE INCEPTION OR CLOSE TO IT.
LIKE, ANDREW, UM, THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT, OBVIOUSLY, FOR THE CITY.
IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT PART OF, UM, OUR CITY'S HEART AND, UM, COMMITMENT OF SO MANY TO REALLY BRING THIS VISION TO LIFE.
AND, UH, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE BEEN TASKED WITH SOMETHING THAT, UH, VERY FEW IN, IN THE CITY HAVE BEEN TASKED TO DO.
AND UNLIKE OTHER THINGS, IT'S NOT A LINEAR PROJECT.
AND, UM, I, I KNOW ALL OF US SACRIFICED TIME AND OTHER THINGS.
ANDREW'S GOT FAMILY COMMITMENTS THIS MORNING, UM, TO SERVE THE CITY AND, AND SERVE THIS PARK.
SO THANK Y'ALL FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
AS WE LISTEN TO THE PRESENTATION, LET'S, UM, AFTERWARDS, IF Y'ALL HAVE QUESTIONS, I'D LIKE FOR US TO TALK ABOUT AND WHAT, WHAT Y'ALL SEE AS, LIKE, MAYBE A REFOCUS FOR 27, UM, OR KIND OF YOU SEE GAPS AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE, Y'ALL? MM-HMM.
WITH THAT, SARAH, I'M GONNA STOP TALKING.
SO WE DID NOT PUT TOGETHER A TRADITIONAL POWERPOINT.
SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD FROM THE INCEPTION.
SOME OF YOU HAVE COME ON AT DIFFERENT TIMES.
SO RATHER THAN DO A POWERPOINT, WHAT WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO SHOW Y'ALL WERE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE IN YOUR AGREEMENTS, RIGHT? SO IN YOUR ONBOARDING NOTEBOOKS THAT YOU RECEIVED, WHAT YOU GOT IN THE BACK, IF YOU HAD HAD AS MUCH FUN AS WE DID, YOU WOULD'VE TAPED TOGETHER ALL THESE SHEETS.
THIS IS THE REC - THIS IS WHAT IS APPROVED BY THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
SO WHEN WE'RE WORKING IN THE FLOODWAY, REMEMBER IT'S PRIMACY FLOODWAY FIRST.
AND THEN IF WE CAN DELIVER THE RECREATION PIECE, THAT HAS ALSO BEEN APPROVED, RIGHT? SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT AND YOU'RE LOOKING KIND OF AT THE CONFLUENCE, YOU HAVE A SERIES OF LAKES.
THESE ARE THE WEST DALLAS LAKES.
THESE HAVE RECENTLY BEEN EXCAVATED AND THEY HAVE BEEN NAMED BY THE COUNCIL.
THEY ARE THE THREE SISTERS LAKES.
WE ARE GONNA TAKE YOU OUT JUST SO YOU CAN SEE THEM, BECAUSE THERE'S AMENITIES THAT CAN GO WITH THEM.
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PHASING OPTIONS, THESE ARE WAYS YOU CAN PHASE THINGS.
THIS IS A GOOD SORT OF DEMONSTRATION, RIGHT? SO AS WE'VE WORKED WITH THE CORPS ON THIS PHASING PLAN, THEY USED THE EXCAVATED DIRT FOR THE ORIGINAL INTENDED PURPOSE, WHICH WAS TO RAISE THE LEVEES AND FLATTEN THE LEVEE.
SO EACH PIECE OF THIS FLOODWAY SPENT 20 YEARS GETTING TO THE APPROVAL, EVERYTHING PLAYS A FLOOD CONTROL PIECE, THEN ANOTHER PIECE, THEN ANOTHER PIECE, RIGHT? SO WE'RE GONNA GO SEE THAT JUST TO GET A FEEL FOR IT.
WHAT THE CORPS AND ALL OF US HAVE TALKED ABOUT IS THESE FLEX FIELDS THAT ARE APPROVED, MAYBE SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO UNDERTAKE AT SOME POINT BECAUSE THEY COULD COME IN IN PHASES.
YOU HAVE PARKING THAT'S IDENTIFIED WITH THE SAME ONE.
SO THERE'S PARKING, ALL THIS IS THE MASTER PLANNED AND ENGINEERED AND RUN THROUGH HYDRAULIC MODELS TO WORK.
AND THEN WE JUST DO A PLAN TO CHECK AS WE IMPLEMENT IN PHASES.
SO ALL OF THE DIRT WORK IS ALL BEING DONE ON SITE.
IT'S NOT ANY, ANY DIRT COMING FROM ANYWHERE ELSE.
SO ALL THAT WAS PLANNED OUT, RIGHT? SO AS YOU LOOK, THEN YOU HAVE SORT OF WETLANDS THAT WERE PLANNED.
SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WETLANDS ALL ALONG.
WETLANDS IN THIS PURPOSE ACTUALLY SERVE A HYDRAULIC NEED.
SO WE CAN'T MAKE THE WATER GO FASTER.
AND SO ALL OF THESE GET MAPPED OUT WITH A BASE CONDITION AND THEN A LAYERED THROUGHOUT THE STUDY.
HOW DOES, HOW DOES THE WETLAND AFFECT THE HYDRAULICS? BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY ALLOWS US TO CREATE VALLEY STORAGE.
SO WHEN YOU GET IT TOO EFFICIENT IN THE FLOODWAY, THEN WE WILL FLOOD IN THIS AND HOUSTON.
SO THEN YOU SLOW IT BACK DOWN WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF WETLANDS AND TREES THAT WHICH EVEN THE TREES ARE ENGINEERED IN THE PLAN.
THEY ALREADY HAVE A SPACE, THEY HAVE A HOME.
UM, SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD OFF AND ON WITH THE CORPS IS THAT MAYBE WE NEED A TREE NURSERY IN THE FLOODWAY.
AND SO WE COULD TAKE SMALL TREES AND BRING THEM UP TO SIZE AND THEN PLACE THEM AS FUNDRAISING OCCURS AS YOU MATURE AS AN ORGANIZATION, THEN WHEN IT'S TIME TO BRING IN AND PUT THEM RIGHT HERE WHERE THEY WERE ENGINEERED TO GO, WE COULD MOVE THEM FROM THEIR NURSERY AND PUT THEM WHERE THEY NEED TO BE.
SO EACH PHASE, WE WOULD DO A HYDRAULIC ANALYSIS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT MESSING WITH THE HYDRAULICS AND THEN PUT THEM IN, RIGHT? SO YOU GET DOWN AND THIS IS SORT OF YOUR SYLVAN AREA, RIGHT? SO THE CITY HAD ALREADY PUT IN THE ACCESS POINT AT SYLVAN ALONG WITH OUR PARTNERS AT COG AND EVERYBODY.
SO WHEN WE DID SYLVAN, SYLVAN'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW WE SORT OF WORK WITH ALL OF OUR PARTNERS.
SO SYLVAN, PRIOR TO THE RAISE OF SYLVAN, ACTUALLY WENT
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OVER THE LEVEES AND THEN IN THE FLOODWAY AND THEN BACK OVER THE LEVEES.SO FIVE TO SIX TIMES A YEAR, YOU COULD NOT TRAVERSE SYLVAN.
WE WORKED AS A REGION TO PUT IN A NEW SIX LANE SYLVAN BRIDGE.
IT WAS WHAT IS CONSIDERED ON SYSTEM BY TXDOT.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT IT'S ELIGIBLE FOR TXDOT FUNDING.
SO TXDOT BUILT A BRIDGE WITH OUR DESIGN STANDARDS BECAUSE THE CITY ALREADY ACCEPTED DESIGN STANDARDS, COLORS, BRANDS, EVERYTHING THAT GOES WITH THE SYSTEMS FROM, YOU KNOW, 35 AND RED CHAPEL ALL THE WAY TO DOWDY, DOWDY AND I-20, RIGHT? SO PART OF THAT WAS THAT THEY WOULD BUILD IT ON SYSTEM AND THEN THEY WOULD HAND IT TO US, WE WOULD PULL IT OFF SYSTEM AND THEN WE INSTALLED THE BIKE LANES.
NOW, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER PARTNER OUT THERE THAT'S REDOING THAT PROCESS RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT WAS ALL ORCHESTRATED IN A VERY SORT OF ARTICULATED WAY TO BRING LOCAL MONEY, STATE MONEY, AND FEDERAL MONEY TO EXECUTE PROJECTS.
WHEN YOU PASS DOWN SYLVAN, YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER AREA WHERE PARKING IS AVAILABLE.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS ON THIS MAP, HERE IS YOUR RON PARK BRIDGE, RIGHT? AND THEN HERE IS 30.
SO WHAT WE HAVE MARKED IN HERE IS SORT OF YOURS, YOUR BOUNDARIES OF PHASE ONE, RIGHT? SO IN YOUR BOUNDARIES OF PHASE ONE, THERE WAS ALWAYS GONNA BE A PAVILION, PARKING, A BENCH UP AGAINST THE LEVEE THAT ALLOWED YOU TO RECREATE WITH FLEX FIELDS AND OTHER COMPONENTS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS SERIES OF URBAN AND NATURAL LAKE.
IN 2014, THE, THE PRIOR MAYORS HAD CHALLENGED EVERYBODY, INCLUDING THE ORIGINAL TRINITY TRUST THAT HAS NOW BEEN TURNED INTO TRINITY PARK CONSERVANCY, TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PHASE IN THIS URBAN LAKES AREA, WHICH HAPPENS TO COINCIDE WITH PHASE ONE, BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT EVERYBODY SEEMED TO REALLY WANT WAS A LAKE.
THEY'VE WANTED A LAKE SINCE 1920.
SO IT HAS BEEN IN EVERY PLAN OF EVERY DREAM TO HAVE THAT LAKE, RIGHT? SO WITH A DONATION FROM THE TRINITY TRUST, THE CITY CONTRACTED WITH A CONSULTING FIRM TO TAKE THE EXISTING PLANS THAT WERE APPROVED AND CREATE A PHASE ONE.
AND WE BROUGHT THAT PLAN BACK TO COUNCIL.
UM, THAT PHASE ONE IS THIS RIGHT HERE.
UM, IT WAS WORKED THROUGH WITH THE CORE.
IT WAS WORKED THROUGH WITH PHILANTHROPIC COMMUNITY AND THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO SORT OF SAY WE CAN SKIP BRIDGES BECAUSE BRIDGE PIERS HAD TO BE REMEDIATED TO HAVE WATER IF YOU DO THIS FULL PLAN.
SO IT WAS ARTICULATED IN THAT WAY, AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR BENCH COME UP AND YOU COULD DO A PAVILION.
AND IT WAS ABOUT $150 MILLION PLAN WITH AMENITIES.
IT WAS ABOUT 35 MILLION TO CREATE THE THREE LAKES.
SO THAT WAS THE ADVENTURE THAT WE WENT DOWN.
UM, IN THIS SAME AREA, YOU HAVE SKATE PARKS THAT ARE PLANS FOR UNDER I-30, YOU HAVE WETLANDS.
THE CITY HAD ALREADY WORKED WITH THE CORPS TO GET WHAT WE CALL JOINT USE MAINTENANCE TRAILS.
UM, YOU ALL KNOW THEM AS THE TRINITY SKYLINE TRAIL.
SO EVERYTHING THAT WE DO IN THE FLOODWAY, THE PLAN, DO CHECK, RIGHT? CAN I STILL DO THE FLOOD CONTROL? IS IT IN COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT WAS APPROVED? AND THEN HOW DO YOU EXECUTE, RIGHT? THESE NUMBERS ALL PREDATE THE LAST FIVE YEARS WHERE WE'VE SEEN A 56% INCREASE IN CONSTRUCTION.
UM, THE OTHER PIECE THAT HAS BEEN SHARED, SO THESE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE 35% PLANS FOR EVERYTHING, OKAY? IN HERE, THIS IS YOUR FLOODWAY.
EDDIE WOULD PROBAB EDDIE AND GARY PROBABLY HAVE A LOT OF FUN.
BUT YOU CAN, WHAT WE BROUGHT YOU IN IS THE LANDSCAPE BECAUSE IT IS THE EASIEST TO KIND OF SEE, RIGHT? SO THE LANDSCAPE PLANS MATCH UP TO THESE PLANS, WHICH THEN TIES TO THE PHASE PLAN, OKAY? SO WHAT WE, WHAT WE HAVE SORT OF TALKED WITH YOU ALL ABOUT AND WHAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WAS THAT AS YOU CONTEMPLATE AND THINK ABOUT WHAT THE 27 YEAR LOOKS LIKE, WHERE DO YOU WANNA HEAD? WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? IS IT ACHIEVABLE? DO YOU HAVE THE RESOURCES YOU NEED? WHAT RESOURCES MIGHT YOU NEED? UH, WE CAN'T NECESSARILY ANSWER THAT.
WE CAN JUST GIVE YOU SOME EDUCATION ON WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED, WHERE OUR MISSION WAS WHEN WE WERE ESTABLISHED IN 2017, AND THEN HOW WE MOVE FORWARD IS REALLY SORT OF A, A, AN EXERCISE THAT I THINK IS PART OF YOUR STRATEGIC PLANNING THAT YOU CAN EMBARK ON AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IN EARLY 27.
AND SARAH, JUST, UM, GOTTA GO FOR THE OBVIOUS BECAUSE SOME OF US IN THE ROOM, TO YOUR QUESTION, YOUR VERY THOUGHTFUL QUESTION, UM, THE MONEY TO DO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, JUST TO CONFIRM, THERE IS NOT SET BUDGET.
THE ORIGINAL $50 MILLION DONATION WAS
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TO EXECUTE THE PHASE ONE.THAT WAS ANNETTE SIMMONS, CORRECT.
THE ANNETTE SIMMONS, UM, CONTRIBUTION, THAT'S WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT.
AND THAT IS A PART OF THE 200 MILLION THAT YOU HEARD ME MENTION EARLIER.
UM, SO I WOULD, I WOULD ASSUME, BUT WE, ANDREW AND I CAN CONFIRM AND WHOEVER ELSE, UM, THAT THAT MONEY HAS, HAS BEEN EARMARKED, FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMINOLOGY ALREADY.
THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY CONNECTED TO THE LEVEE.
AND NOT IN THE BALLOT FISHING PLAN.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO - YEAH, ASK EDDIE, THAT'S OVER HERE.
THE MONEY THAT IS 200, WHAT IS IT? 200 MILLION, YOU SAID? YEP.
IS THAT MONEY BEING USED FOR THAT OR FOR THIS, THE PARK, 20 ACRE PARK? SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE 200 MILLION THAT I MENTIONED AND THE CURRENT FOCUS IS PART OF THE PARK CONCEPT, WHICH, UM, IF I HAD THE RENDERING HERE, I'D SHOW IT TO Y'ALL.
BUT IT ESSENTIALLY IS ALL AROUND THE WEST OVERLOOK.
SO NOW, SO, SO, SO TO CALL IT OUT EVEN CLEARER, WHICH IS WHY I'M GRATEFUL TO SARAH AND HER TEAM, UM, FOR ALLOWING US TO HAVE THIS WORKSHOP TODAY, WE ARE NOW AT A DIVERGENT POINT IN TIME BETWEEN TPC AND OUR, OUR MANDATE.
UM, THAT CHALLENGE MANY OF YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, YEARS ARGUABLY.
UM, BUT IT'S NOW VERY PRONOUNCED, ESPECIALLY NOW UNDER A NEW LEADERSHIP, OUR NEW CEO OF TPC.
UM, WE'RE BACK IN WATER UTILITIES, WHICH I, I DID, I NEVER REALLY WAS WITH SARAH BEFORE, BUT, UM, HER TEAM AND HER KNOWLEDGE OF THIS PROJECT IS IMMENSE.
AND SO YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE AT A CROSSROADS, Y'ALL.
AND SO THIS IS SOME, THIS IS A DISCUSSION POINT, WHETHER FOR NOW OR LATER, BUT THAT'S WHY YOU CAN'T ANSWER THE, THERE'S AN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.
SO I THINK, UH, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITY MANAGER HAS REQUESTED IS THEY, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE, YOUR INTENTION AS TPC, YOU WERE CONTRACTED THROUGH THE LGC, UM, YOU HAVE OBLIGATIONS TO THE LGC BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
I REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR PATH FORWARD LOOKS LIKE AND THEN YOUR ACCOUNTING, RIGHT? UM, AND THAT'S BOTH FOR YOU ALL AND FOR THE CITY, RIGHT? SO, UM, YOU'RE AT A POINT, AS SARAH SAID, YOU WERE AT A POINT WHERE YOU COULD HAVE A REAL CONTEMPLATION OF THE LGC WAS ESTABLISHED TO CREATE, TO DEVELOP THIS, TO DELIVER THIS.
UM, TBC HAS CLEARLY SAID THIS, THAT THEY WANNA CALL THE WEST OVERLOOK IS NOT, IT, IT'S NOT WHAT YOU WERE ESTABLISHED TO DO AND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND ALL OF US HAVE SAID THAT IS NOT BALANCED VISION PLAN.
IT'S, IT'S NOT FLOOD CONTROL WITH A, WITH A RECREATIONAL COMPONENT.
AND SO IF YOU WANT TO, IF YOU WANNA DEVELOP THAT, YOU GO AHEAD AND PROCEED, YOU KNOW.
WE DON'T WANT THEM SAYING THE LGC IS HOLDING THEM BACK.
GO DEVELOP THAT, BUT YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION UNDER YOUR CONTRACT THAT YOU'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH.
AND SO YOU NEED TO GET SOME INFORMATION AND THEN YOU ALL CAN HAVE SOMETHING TO MAKE DECISIONS ON IN 27.
THE CONTRACT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR CONTRACTS, UM, THEY ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH YOUR CONTRACT.
YOU ALL ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT WE SAID, UH, THAT Y'ALL WERE GONNA CONTRACT WITH US.
SO EVERYBODY IS SORT OF OUT OF EVERY CLIENT.
AND SO WE REALLY, UH, MY, THE REQUEST ALL OF YOU IS WE NEED TO GET EVERYBODY INTO SOME LEVEL OF COMPLIANCE AND THAT'S WHERE Y'ALL NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT DO WE WANT 27 TO LOOK LIKE SO THAT WE CAN THEN HELP YOU MAP A STRATEGY.
SO ARE WE OUT OF COMPLIANCE BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE WERE IN COMPLIANCE? YOUR RECORDS AND MEETING MINUTES ARE CLEAR THAT Y'ALL ARE AWARE YOU HAVE SOME COMPLIANCE CHALLENGES.
UM, THE DIFFERENCE WAS TO PROCEED, YOU KNOW, ALL THE MONEY WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN RAISED BY 2019.
YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE STARTED CONSTRUCTION.
THERE WAS A MOMENT IN TIME WHERE WE STRUGGLED A LITTLE BIT WITH WHAT, WHAT THIS WANTED TO BE.
AND SO THE CORE SAID, UNTIL YOU CAN GET THAT FIGURED OUT, WE'RE GONNA GO DO FLOOD CONTROL, BUT WE CAN'T KEEP HAVING MEETINGS WITH YOU ALL TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT APPROVED THAT'S
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NOT IN A RECORD OF DECISIONS.SO Y'ALL GO FIGURE OUT WHO YOU WANNA BE AND THEN, THEN WE'LL LOOK AT YOUR INFORMATION, BUT WE'VE GOTTA FINISH LEVEE RAISES AND FLATTENING, RIGHT? AND SO THE LEVEE RAISES AND FLATTENING ARE COMPLETE.
AND WHAT YEAR WAS THAT, SARAH? WAS THAT 19? UH, 2019 WAS WHEN WE DID THIS LETTER TO ALL OF YOU TO SAY, "WE'RE GONNA GO DO FLOOD CONTROL - UH-HUH.
UNTIL WE'RE DONE." BUT THE CEREMONY WHERE WE DID THE FLATTENING.
WAS THAT 19 OR 20? UH, I WOULD HAVE TO GET YOU AN EXACT DATE.
BUT SO THE COURT'S COMPLETED RAISING THE LEVEES, FLATTENING THEM.
WE HAVE A FEW STRETCHES THAT ARE STILL IN WARRANTY, BUT THEY ARE IN A DIFFERENT STRETCH BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THEY DID THE ENTIRE THING.
SO SARAH, THAT HAPPENED IN 2019, YOU SAID.
SO INTENTIONS WERE WELL MADE BECAUSE I, THE NOTION WAS BECAUSE OF, I THINK, BECAUSE OF THE TIMELINE TO GET ALL THIS STUFF DONE, I THINK THEY WERE TRYING TO LIKE ACCELERATE MOVEMENT WITH THE PARK.
SO I THINK, YEAH, SO I THINK THE NOTION OF DEVELOPING A 20 ACRE PARCEL OF LAND, ACQUIRING ALL THAT LAND, PUTTING IT TOGETHER WAS KIND OF A FIRST STEP TO BE LAUNCHED IN MY, IN MY EYES.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT MAYBE YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING WE GOT DERAILED.
I THINK EVERYBODY WAS WORKING - YEAH.
AND I THINK WE JUST ARE WHERE WE ARE.
AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE SOME, SOME OF YOU...
SO GARY CAME IN EARLIER AND HE WAS LIKE, "OH MY GOD, WHEN DID YOU GET THIS BUILDING?" GARY WAS WITH US BACK WHEN WE WERE IN THE SHED BACK DOOR, RIGHT?
THIS IS A, THIS IS THE FLOODWAY.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE AUTHORIZED TO DO.
AND WE CAN PHASE THINGS, BUT AT, WE'RE AT A MATURITY LEVEL IN BOTH THE LGC AND THE TPC WHERE I THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP." AND THAT'S REALLY SORT OF HIM.
I THINK AS A NEWER BOARD MEMBER IN THIS FIRST YEAR THAT I'VE BEEN ON THIS, UM, SOUNDS LIKE COMPLIANCE IS THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE.
I THINK WE GOTTA FIGURE THAT OUT LIKE BEFORE WE DO THE WORKING GROUPS AND EXTERNAL RELATIONS AND ALL THAT.
SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S JUST MY GUT OUTSIDER LOOKING IN IN THE PAST 11 MONTHS I'VE BEEN HERE.
SO IT'S LIKE LET'S GET COMPLIANCE FIGURED OUT.
YEAH, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO - LGC WAS RESPONSIBLE.
THE VEHICLE TO GET THIS DONE WAS THROUGH TPC.
WE'RE THE BROKER BETWEEN - YEAH.
WE WERE THE - DALLAS, CITY OF DALLAS.
AND THE LGC BECAUSE WE WERE THE, SUPPOSED TO BE THE COMMUNICATOR.
SO GIVEN THE FACT THAT THE VEHICLE TO GET THIS DONE IN TPC CONNECTED THROUGH US, DON'T WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO - CUT THEM OFF AS PARTNERS? NO, NOT CUT THEM OFF, BUT REQUIRE THEM TO INTEGRATE BACK INTO THE, INTO THE ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITY THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO LEAD RELATIVE TO OUR CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS.
I THINK THE SHORT ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS YES.
A LETTER THAT WE MENTIONED THAT, UM, CITY MANAGER TOLBERT HAD SENT TO THEM FOR ALL THAT STUFF IS SORT OF A PIECE TO THAT.
BUT THEN CANDIDLY, AS LGC, EDDIE, I THINK YOUR POINT IS EXTREMELY WELL MADE AND ON POINT.
BUT THEN DO WE AS A BOARD WANT TO STEP IN IN A MORE ENFORCEMENT CAPACITY, RIGHT? WHICH CHANGES THE RELATIONSHIP.
IT CHANGES TO SAY, "LOOK, TPC, YOU ARE OUT OF COMPLIANCE." SO THEY, WHAT I HOPE YOU'LL UNDERSTAND, AND THIS IS WHAT I WALKED AWAY WITH, UH, I THINK, UH, ANDREW AND I MET WITH BRIAN FOR PROBABLY AN HOUR AND A HALF, MAYBE HOUR.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A 30-MINUTE MEETING AND I THINK WE WENT UP CLOSE TO HOUR AND A HALF.
THEY, THEY, THEY ARE DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH PARK, WITH PART OF THE PARK, THE PLAYGROUND, ALL THE THINGS.
LIKE THEY ARE DOING IT WITH OR WITHOUT.
YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? SO LIKE WE'RE DOING - I'M SAYING THERE'S STILL AN OBLIGATION THOUGH - I AGREE.
TO OUR ENTITY BECAUSE THEY'RE THE VEHICLE TO GET IT DONE.
MANAGE, MANAGE FUNDS, HIRE A CONSULTANT TO DESIGN, HIRE THE CONTRACTOR.
THEY ARE THE- THE OTHER PIECE AS Y'ALL THINK THROUGH THESE, RIGHT? SO IF YOU GO BACK TO YOUR CONTRACT, THERE IS NOTHING THAT PRECLUDES YOU FROM HAVING MULTIPLE PARTNERS.
SO THEY, HISTORICALLY, THE TRINITY FROM TOP TO BOTTOM WAS ENVISIONED WITH MULTIPLE PARTNERS.
SO YOU HAVE AUDUBON, YOU'VE GOT OTHERS.
YOU KNOW, NO ONE ENTITY WAS EVER GOING TO DO EVERYTHING REALISTICALLY.
SO I THINK THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I WOULD TELL Y'ALL AS YOU'RE, AS YOU'RE THINKING THROUGH, YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT LEVEL OF QUESTIONS, BUT YOU ALSO, AS YOU THINK THROUGH THOSE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS NOTHING THAT PRECLUDES YOU FROM HAVING OTHER PARTNERS.
YOUR CONTRACT WITH US DOES NOT SAY YOU'RE REQUIRED TO USE TBC.
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WITH IT.SO THEY WERE ORIGINALLY THE TRINITY TRUST.
THEY HAD RAISED $60 MILLION FOR THE CITY ON BEHALF OF THE TRINITY INITIATIVES.
THEY HAD INITIALLY RA- RAISED 60 MILLION.
UM, PRIOR TO THERE BEING AN LGC.
SO AS THEY RAISED MONEY, IT COMPLIMENTED PROJECTS THAT WE WERE ALL WORKING ON.
SO THEY BROUGHT MONEY TO THE TABLE FOR MARGARET HUNT HILL BRIDGE.
THEY BROUGHT MONEY TO THE TABLE FOR THE MCDERMOTT BRIDGE.
THEY BROUGHT MONEY TO THE TABLE FOR THE AUDUBON.
THEY BROUGHT MONEY TO THE TABLE FOR THE TRAIL SYSTEM.
SO THEY WERE WORKING WITH THE CITY AS WE WENT ALONG AND WITH THE DONOR COMMUNITY TO SAY, "THIS IS WHAT THE CITY HAS MONEY FOR.
THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO." THE TRINITY TRUST - WITHOUT AN LGC.
IT WAS A DIRECT SORT OF, AS THEY RAISED MONEY, WE WORKED ALL IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY, THE STATE, THE FEDS, THE CITY, COGS, AND THE TRINITY TRUST AND A COUPLE OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.
BUT SARAH, THE LGT THOUGH, THE LGC WAS FORMED AS A REQUEST THAT THE CITY AND THE TRINITY TRUST MADE TO THE ANNETTE SIMMONS FAMILY.
AND AT THE TIME, IT WAS BELIEVED THAT MOST OF THE DONOR MONEY HAD GONE, DONORS PREFER TO NOT GIVE MONEY TO THE CITY, RIGHT? SO THE MECHANISM WAS THE TRINITY TRUST THAT HAD ALWAYS BEEN DOING THAT.
AND THE FAMILY REALLY WANTED TO HAVE A DIFFERENT FORM OF GOVERNANCE.
BECAUSE THIS PROJECT REQUIRES MULTI-GENERATIONAL EFFORTS AND NEEDS TO LAST MORE THAN JUST ONE MAYOR, ONE COUNCIL, AN LGC COULD HAVE.
YEAH, THEY WANTED TO PROTECT - SO THE CITY CREATED THE LGC AND THE PLANS THAT I PUT ON THE TABLE FOR YOU ARE WHAT THE DONOR HAD SEEN BACK IN 2014 AND 2015 BASED ON $150 MILLION PROJECT.
SO THE PHASE ONE WAS INTENDED TO GET UP AND RUNNING BECAUSE EVERYBODY REALLY BELIEVED THAT THIS IS A MULTI-GENERATIONAL PROJECT.
EVERYBODY HAS WANTED TO SEE THIS HAPPEN.
WE SPENT 20 YEARS GETTING FEDERAL APPROVALS AND DOING ENGINEERING.
IT'S GONNA TAKE THREE MORE GENERATIONS TO FINISH IT, BUT THE LGC COULD GET THIS FIRST PHASE DONE WITH SEED MONEY AND THEN LAUNCH FROM THERE.
SO WHAT WAS THE DONOR'S EXPECTATION FOR LGC WHEN THE 50 MILLION WAS COMMITTED AND LGC WAS FORMED? WAS THAT FOREVERMORE? WAS THERE A TIMELINE? THERE WAS NO TIMELINE.
AND IT SAID THE CITY HAD TO NAME THE AREA, HAROLD SIMMONS.
THE CITY NEEDED TO CREATE AN ALTERNATIVE GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE.
NOT WHAT KIND OR HOW, JUST SOME ALTERNATIVE GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE, AND THAT THEY NEEDED TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION IN 2019, I BELIEVE.
I WOULD SAY, YEAH, 19 SOUNDS GOOD.
SO THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING CONSTRUCTION AND THAT WAS BASED ON A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR STATE AND FEDERAL PARTNERS AND A SCHEDULE THAT WE COULD EXECUTE WHEN THE INITIAL ACT WAS MADE.
BUT, UH, I WILL TELL YOU, AND THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, IN MY TIME ON THE BOARD AND TALKING TO PAST CITY MANAGERS AND OTHERS WHO WERE INVOLVED IN THIS DECISION MAKING TO, TO CREATE LGC, THERE WASN'T, AGAIN, ALTERNATIVE GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE AS SARASOTA.
THAT WAS KIND OF JUST, IT WAS, IT SATISFIED A WISH.
THE DETAILS, THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF THIS ENTITY, THIS BOARD THAT WE SIT ON, WEREN'T NECESSARILY SPECIFIED.
AND SO FOR FOLKS WHO'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD SINCE INCEPTION, A LOT OF THE CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP OVER THE YEARS AND SOME OF THE, UM, SAME KIND OF CON - LIKE CONFLICTS THAT HAVE EXISTED THAT WE ARE NOW AT, THAT'S WHY - SEEMS LIKE DEFINING OUR ROLE AS AN LGC AND AMENDING THE CONTRACT, OUR EXPECTATIONS OR IN COMPLIANCE SEEMS LIKE A- AGREED.
THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE, CHRIS, I, I, I, I'M WITH YOU 120%, IS WE AS A, AS A BODY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A BUDGET.
WE CAN GO OUT AND HIRE A NEW PARTNER AS SARAH HAS SPECIFIED, BUT THEN WE NEED TO THEN UNDERTAKE A WHOLE RFP PROCESS AND THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER.
AND THEN REALLY PROBABLY FIGURE OUT OF THE ORIGINAL MISSION, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WANNA FOCUS ON WITH THAT PARTNER AND THEN GO TO MARKET, RIGHT? WE'D HAVE TO OVERSEE, UM, THAT WHOLE PROCESS, OBVIOUSLY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY, BUT IT WOULD REALLY BE DRIVEN BY US.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY EVEN BUILD, THINK ABOUT,
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AND WE'RE ALL VOLUNTEERS.SO - LIKE, DO WE WANNA BUILD OUT A STAFF OR DO, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THEY'RE JUST SOME OF THOSE REAL QUESTIONS THAT AREN'T.
I GOT THE BOOK, THAT THICK, BUT I DIDN'T GET THE EXCLAMA - I DIDN'T GET THE LECTURE OR THE PRESENTATION FROM A PROFESSOR.
THEY GAVE ME THE BOOK AND SAID, "GO STUDY THE BOOK." THERE WAS NO CLAR - THERE WAS NO CLARITY.THIS IS THE FIRST TIME.
WELL, AND I THINK THAT'S SO - I FEEL BETTER.
GARY KIND OF SAID, "HEY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE NEED TO RESET, RIGHT? YEAH.
CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE SAID WE NEED TO RESET.
SO WE'RE GONNA STEP BACK AND MAKE SURE WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FLOODPLAY IS, WHAT ITS PURPOSE IS, HOW IT WORKS, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
AND THEN THAT GIVES YOU ALL SOME OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A REAL CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE YOU WANNA GO AS WE REACH INTO 2027 AND 2028.
AND THIS IS WHY THIS IS A WORKSHOP VERSUS A FORMAL MEETING BECAUSE FRANKLY, LIKE AFTER OUR LAST MEETING, UM, EDDIE ON MY, MY, MY HEAD BECAUSE I UNDERSTOOD WHERE HE WAS.
AND I UNDERSTAND JUST AS VICE CHAIR OF THIS GROUP, I'VE TALKED TO ANDREW ABOUT THIS.
LIKE WE UNDERSTAND, LIKE, THE MATERIAL WORK WASN'T CLEAR AND PEOPLE, THEIR TIME IS PRECIOUS.
AND SO I APPRECIATE THE PARTNERSHIP FROM THE CITY TO SAY, OKAY, LET'S, LIKE SARAH SAID, LET'S KIND OF RESET, GIVE YOU THE STATE OF PLAY.
THAT'S WHY I SHARED THE TPC UPSTATES BECAUSE I THINK THAT PIECE IS IMPORTANT TOO.
TO UNDERSTAND CAPABILITIES, PARTNERSHIPS, ALL THE THINGS.
SO WHEN ARE WE GONNA KNOW IF THIS IS GOING UNDER PARKS AND RECREATION? SO I DON'T THINK THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT, UM, IT IS MATERIAL TO YOUR WORK BECAUSE THEY, I MEAN, IT COULD - WHAT THEY ARE BUILDING...
SO IT WOULD STILL, AN LGC WOULD EXIST.
IT WOULD JUST BE UNDER PARKS AND - NO, THE LGC WOULD STILL EXIST UNDER DW TO- TO DO THIS.
TO BUILD THE BALANCED VISION PLAN.
TO DO NOT, NOT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT THE BALANCED VISION PLAN.
AND PART OF THAT MOVE TO PARKS AND REC, AND SOMEONE KEEP ME HONEST, I THINK TPC WAS TALKING ABOUT IT, DIANE, AS IT RELATED TO MAYBE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES AND THINGS.
I THINK THAT WAS, THAT WAS MORE THE CONNECTION VERSUS, AS SARAH SAID, MORE OF A NEED FOR BETTER GOVERNANCE OR SUPPORT FROM THE CITY.
SO THERE WAS FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES AND ALSO OUR CONTRACT DOESN'T ALLOW THEM TO DO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO DO.
SO MOVING UNDER - AND THAT THEY ARE DOING, FRANKLY.
SO MOVING UNDER PARKS AND REC FOR THAT PROJECT - AND THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO MOVE UNDER THE PARK DEPARTMENT TO BE ABLE TO.
SO THEY, THEY'VE GOT TO, THEY'VE GOT A TASK THEY'VE GOT TO GO LOOK THROUGH, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF GOVERNANCE DO YOU WANT? BECAUSE THEY, THEY MAY OR MAY NOT WANT GOVERNANCE DICTATED BY THE CITY.
AND WHETHER IT'S YOU ALL AS THE LGC OR A PARK BOARD THAT IS SO GOVERNANCE DICTATED BY THE CITY AS TO WHAT YOU HAVE TO MEET TERMS AND CONDITIONS, RIGHT? UM, SO THERE'S, THEY'RE OUT THERE LOOKING AT SOME OF THAT AS WELL.
SO PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW, THE INVOLVEMENT GARY AND I HAD FROM LIKE THE INTERFACE WE HAD WITH, UH, TTC WAS DESIGNED, LIKE INFLUENCE ON URBAN PLANNING, DESIGN, DIVISION, RIGHT? SO I FELT THE CONTRIBUTION OF MY TIME WAS VALUABLE.
THIS GIVES ME CLARITY BECAUSE LAST MEETING I DIDN'T SEE THE, I WAS LIKE, I JUST WASTED FIVE YEARS OF MY LIFE NOT BEING, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT WASN'T WASTED, BUT - ADJACENCY TO THIS CONTRIBUTION'S VALUED ADJACENCY TO THIS HELPED SPUR, RIGHT? I GENUINELY BELIEVE THAT - YEAH, BUT I WOULD'VE PUT MY VOICE INTO ALL OF THIS AND NOT, AND ALL THAT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO PROCESS YOU KNOW, WE WERE CAUGHT UP IN COVID - YEAH.
FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AND THAT HAD A HUGE INFLUENCE 2021.
I JUST WISH WE HAD ALL THE RESOURCES THAT ARE DEVOTED TO THE PARK, THIS, THIS.
WHO'S THE GOVERNANCE OVER US? CITY MANAGER.
BUT IS THERE LIKE A LEGAL COUNSEL THAT COULD HAVE RAISED A RED FLAG AND SAY, "GUYS, YOU'RE OUTSIDE YOUR BOUNDARY OVER - THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE HAD ASSIGNED A LIAISON.
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BEFORE THAT.I HAD TAKEN SEVERAL YEARS OFF SO I COULD GO DO FLOOD CONTROL AND WATER AND WASTEWATER AND CITY-WIDE DRAINAGE.
UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ALSO ASSIGNED STAFF, UM, THAT ARE THERE TO SUPPORT YOU ALL AS YOU BRING QUESTIONS FORWARD.
SO IT'S REALLY, WE'RE, WE'RE SERVING AS WE'RE IN-KIND STAFF.
UM, I THINK, I THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU ALL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO POSE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SORT OF HELP MOVE FORWARD.
SO LET ME, BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S 11:00 AND WE HAVE TO DO A TOUR.
THE BEST USAGE OF OUR TIME.THAT'S WHERE WE HELPED.
THAT MOVES AND SERVES OUR CITY, SERVES THE CONSTITUENTS, SERVES THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM.
LIKE I, I THINK ALL OF US ARE HERE TO HELP.
WELL, AND THAT'S NOT THE INTENT.
I THINK THAT'S WHY I FEEL WHAT YOU JUST SAID, EDDIE, AND I, I FEEL THE PAIN BECAUSE YOU'RE LIKE, I'M TRYING TO HELP, BUT DID I, WAS IT ALL IN PAIN? AND I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE ALL HERE TO SERVE, RIGHT? SO I GUESS THE BIG QUESTION IS WHAT DO WE NEED TO APPLY OUR TIME TO THAT HELPS SERVE OUR CITY BEING BORN AND RAISED HERE IN DALLAS? LIKE HOW DO WE MOVE THAT FORWARD? YEAH.
AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING IN THE CITY DAY AND DAY, YOU KNOW? WELL, AND NOT TO THROW UP ROADBLOCKS, BUT LET ME JUST CALL OUT THE OBVIOUS.
UM, WE ARE ALL MAYORAL APPOINTEES, WHICH IS WHY I BROUGHT UP, BUT YES, WE ARE THE CITY MANAGER IS WHO APPROVES THE STAFF THAT SUPPORTS US.
UM, WE HAVE A MAYOR SELECTION NEXT NOVEMBER, RIGHT? AND SO THAT IS, IN MY MIND, SOMEWHAT OF A SHOT CLOCK.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE FIVE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE TURNING OVER IN NOVEMBER AS WELL.
I BRING THIS UP BECAUSE PART OF WHAT SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER FOR THE LAST YEAR IS OBVIOUSLY GIVING THE CITY COUNCIL SOME UPDATE.
THERE'S A CURRENT CITY COUNCIL.
SO PART OF WHAT TTC IS WORKING ON NOW ON THE POLITICAL, ON THE COUNCIL SIDE, IS THE CITY COUNCILWOMAN FOR THE PARK AREA, HAROLDSON PARK, IS, IS NOT NECESSARILY LIKE FULL SPEED AHEAD.
SHE'S ASKED FOR MORE INFORMATION.
THAT'S THEIR PROBLEM, NOT NECESSARILY OURS.
BUT THEN - UH, GO AHEAD, CHRIS.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, BUT THEN AS WE KINDA...
ARE YOU S- SUGGESTING THAT WE JUST WAIT? NO, NO.
I JUST, I JUST WANT US ALL TO BE OPERATING FROM THE SAME ENVIRONMENT AND LARGER - YEAH.
LIKE ECOSYSTEM, RIGHT CHRIS? YEAH.
BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT WE CAN DO IS, LIKE YOU SAID, CHRIS, IS SKETCH OUT A PLAN FOR A PATH FORWARD.
BUT MINDFUL THOUGH THAT AS EACH OF US ARE MAYORAL APPOINTEES UNDER A NEW MAYOR - YEAH.
THIS THING COULD TOTALLY CHANGE.
AND HERE'S FAIR TALK ABOUT NON-COMPLIANCE.
AND I'M LIKE, WHAT'S THE RISK THAT, LIKE - YEAH.
BUT YOU'RE IN THE SAME BOAT THAT YOU'VE NOW BEEN IN FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.
AND SO I THINK MAYBE TO, MAYBE SAID DIFFERENTLY FROM THE WAY SARAH SAYING IT IS SKETCHING OUT OR MAPPING OUT WAYS THAT THE LDC CAN BE SUCCESSFUL AND WHAT A PATH FORWARD LOOKS LIKE.
I DON'T THINK THAT CAN BE DONE IN A MONTH.
I THINK YOU NEED, I THINK YOU NEED A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
AND IF YOU CAN CONTEMPLATE THOSE AS YOU GO ALONG AND, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF OVER HERE IS HERE TO SUPPORT YOU.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO SIT DOWN AND...
'CAUSE WHAT I AM HEARING IS THAT WE DIDN'T, UM, WE AS A CITY DIDN'T ONBOARD YOU ALL VERY WELL.
OR IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE ONBOARDED SOME OF YOU, RIGHT? THAT'S OKAY.
IT'S OKAY TO SAY THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE CAN SIT DOWN AND GO BACK THROUGH TO SORT OF SHOW YOU HERE'S YOUR CONTRACT.
HERE'S YOUR CONTRACT WITH THE CITY.
HERE'S YOUR CONTRACT WITH YOUR PARTNER.
HERE ARE THE ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION.
THE MINUTES FROM THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE LGC AT ONE POINT WERE IN YOUR NOTEBOOKS.
UM, SO IF WE'RE HERE TO SUPPORT IN THOSE WAYS, UM, YOU KNOW - BUT IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE TO UNDERSTAND OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARIES OF THAT, IT'S A NO-GO ZONE.
THAT WOULD'VE BEEN VERY - WELL, AND THE OLD WAY TO GET IT, HONESTLY, TO GET IT BACK ON TRACK IS TO SIT IN THE ROOM WITH THE TPC.
BUT I, I WILL SAY TO THE CREDIT OF THIS BOARD AND ALSO TO THE CITY, THIS WAS, I MEAN, THIS YEAR, PART OF WHY WE DIDN'T TOUCH THE CONTRACTS IS I HAD GOTTEN A CALL FROM LEADERSHIP AT TPC, ONE OF THE BOARD LEADERS, PROBABLY MARCH NOW.
AND THEY HAD RUN INTO TROUBLE BECAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO GET MONEY FROM THE CITY.
AND THE CITY WAS LIKE, "WAIT, THE WEST OVERLOOK IS, IS OUTSIDE.
IT'S KIND OF, AGAIN, IT'S PURVIEW." AND SO THE CITY HAD KIND OF DONE THEIR PART AS I THINK A MECHANISM SAID, "HEY, HEISMAN, LIKE, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL ARE, THIS AIN'T GONNA WORK." AND THAT'S BEEN SOME OF THE, UH, RIGAMAROLE, SOME OF YOU'VE SEEN IT OR - FIELD.
YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? SO THERE, THERE WERE, WHAT DO YOU CALL THEM? UH, STOCK GAP
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OR, YOU KNOW, MECHANISMS IN THE SYSTEM AND IT REPORTS.AND SO TBC HAS KNOWN THE WEST OVERLOOK WAS KIND OF THEIR SHOW.
AND I THOUGHT CANDIDLY - TONY LEFT? SO I THINK NOW THAT Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THIS, UM, IT GIVES Y'ALL, IT GIVES Y'ALL A FALL CONTEMPLATION PERIOD, RIGHT? UH, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE...
I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE GOT SOME HARD STOPS ON YOUR OWN PERSONAL CALENDARS.
I'D LIKE TO GET YOU ALL TO SEE THE CONTROL ROOM BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE FLOODWAY WORKS.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TAKE YOU TO THE AREA SO YOU CAN SEE PHASE ONE.
AND THEN I WOULD LIKE FOR Y'ALL TO SEE THE THREE SISTERS LAKE AREA.
JUST REAL QUICK BEFORE WE LEAVE AND FINISH UP WHATEVER BUSINESS YOU HAVE.
AND THAT'S THE, WHAT, 25 MINUTES? 30 MINUTES? 40.
WELL, BEFORE WE LEAVE Y'ALL, I JUST, I HAD TOLD SOME OF Y'ALL, AND, AND I WILL TELL YOU, AND ANDREW AND I HAVE TALKED QUITE A BIT, UM, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A CALENDAR HERE FOR 27.
WE ALL, I THINK NOW WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THE FACT THAT, UM, WHERE THE DIRECTION WE THOUGH WE WERE HEADING IN WASN'T NECESSARILY WHERE WE NEED TO BE GOING.
UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF BOARDS NOT TO GET TOO ADMINISTRATIVE, BUT THERE'S AT LEAST TWO OF YOU, I THINK.
DIANE, YOU AND ANDREW, ACTUALLY.
HIS BOARD SEATS ARE KIND OF OUT OF COMPLIANCE.
YEAH, WE GOTTA RENEW YOU IF YOU SO CHOOSE TO STAY.
AND SO, UM, I JUST, I BRING THIS UP BECAUSE, FRANKLY, AS VICE CHAIR, UM, WHICH WILL HAVE TO BE OFFICERS, YOU KNOW, IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED, UM, AND NOT, BUT ALL OF US NEED TO DECIDE, A, IF WE WANNA CONTINUE DOWN THIS PATH, SERVING ON THIS COMMITTEE.
UH, TWO, FOR 27, I WOULD LOVE DIRECTION FROM Y'ALL, UM, TO, AND I CAN PUT MY HEAD TOGETHER WITH ANDREW, WHAT WOULD BE MEANINGFUL, BECAUSE I THINK WE, WE STARTED THIS YEAR SAYING WE WERE GONNA GO THROUGH THESE CONTRACTS.
AND, AND I KNOW THIS QUORUM STUFF IS, LIKE, AN ISSUE BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO SIT DOWN WITH THE TTC.
THEY HAVE A CONFERENCE, RIGHT? YEAH.
TO ME, THEY'RE THE STRONGEST LEVERAGE WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY GET SOMETHING DONE.
I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE TIME OR ENERGY.
I SPENT SIX YEARS ON MY OWN FIRM NOW.
I DON'T HAVE TIME TO DEVOTE ANY MORE TIME INTO STARTING TO FORM INDIVIDUAL GROUPS, TRY TO RAISE MONEY.
I DON'T HAVE TIME, AMOUNT OF TIME.
BUT IF THERE'S A MEANINGFUL PATH TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE TO WHAT WE ARE CONTRACTED TO THEM FOR, THEY CAN GO DO THE PARK.
BUT THROUGH MY EYES, IF WE COULD LEVERAGE THEM TO SEE HOW WE CAN MEANINGFUL, HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE, ON THE TRINITY RIVER.
AND IF THAT'S THE BRIDGE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE LEVEE AND THE PARK AS PHASE ONE, GREAT.
BUT I THINK THEY'RE, THEY, WE SHOULD HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE TO...
AND I, I MEAN, THOSE ARE GREAT PEOPLE.
I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING BAD, AND I THINK IT WAS JUST MIS - MAYBE MISINTERPRETED INNOCENTLY BY ALL OF US.
UH, EVERYBODY HAS GREAT INTENTIONS.
ALL OF OUR TIME GONE FORTH TO ALL THE WORK AND THE ENERGY AND ALL THE PERMITTING THAT'S IN THE WORKS, THAT'S MEANINGFUL.
AND BRIDGE THE GAP TO AT LEAST, AND THEN FIGURE OUT HOW IT, HOW IT TRICKLES INTO THE BIGGER VISION.
I THINK PEOPLE ARE SO, UM, ANXIOUS TO SEE SOMETHING STARTED THAT.
AND SO THAT, THAT ENDED UP SIDETRACKING US A LITTLE BIT.
I, I THINK IN TERMS OF - I WILL SAY TO EDDIE'S COMMENT AND DAYANY AND YOURS AS WELL, UM, JUST SOME THINGS FOR Y'ALL TO KNOW, AND I'M GONNA SAY IT OUT LOUD.
UM, UNDER THIS NEW KIND OF LEADERSHIP AT TPC, THEY, FRANKLY, I THINK PROMPTED BY SOME COMMENTS OR CONFUSION, SOME OF THE CONFUSION I THINK THAT WAS DESCRIBED EARLIER.
THEY HAD TRIED TO CREATE MORE DISTANCE BETWEEN US AND THEM, MORE DAYLIGHT AS TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES.
MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THEY SEE THEMSELVES AS AN INDEPENDENT ENTITY NOW DOING WHAT THEY FEEL LIKE THEIR MISSION IS TO DO.
UM, SO WE CAN DO A MEETING, WE CAN HAVE A MEETING, WE CAN TALK TO THEM.
I JUST WANT YOU, LIKE, ALL OF US TO BE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THEY FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OUR, WE'RE OUR, WE'RE, THEY FEEL INDEPENDENT.
WE APPRECIATE Y'ALL LGC, BUT, LIKE, KIND OF DON'T STAND IN OUR WAY.
AND WE'VE SEEN THAT THROUGH, I THINK, EVEN SOME OF THE, THE LACK OF CONSISTENT, LIKE, WORK GROUP OR INCLUSION.
I, DURING MY LAST MEETING, I WILL SAY WHEN ANDREW AND I MET WITH BRIAN, HE DID SEEM TO EXPRESS SOME INTEREST IN KIND OF RECON - RENEWING
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THE PARTNERSHIP OF SORTS.BECAUSE I TOLD THEM, I SAID, "LOOK, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANNA BE A PARTNER, BUT LIKE, THEY STILL, EVEN IN THE CONVERSATION WITH THE CEO, LIKE, THEY DIDN'T WANNA TELL US, LIKE, BECAUSE WE WERE LIKE AN OUTSIDE ENTITY.
WE WERE LIKE," WELL, WHO'S THIS PERSON GIVING YOU MONEY AND HOW MUCH, LIKE...
"AND, YOU KNOW, ANDREW, TO HIS CREDIT, CALLED IT OUT.
HE SAID," WAIT, YOU SAY YOU WANNA BE A PARTNER WITH US, BUT HERE YOU CAN'T EVEN TELL US YOU'RE GONNA PUT OUT A PRESS RELEASE IN TWO DAYS.
THEIR, THE RELATIONSHIP WITH TC - TPC LITERALLY HAS GONE COLD-ISH.
THEY WANNA RENEW IT, BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU TO YOUR CON - LIKE, TO THAT PIECE, IT'S GONNA BE CHALLENGING.
WITH NEW LEADERSHIP, DOES THAT HELP RENEW-ISH? I THINK THE BOARD LEADERSHIP STILL WANTS TO KEEP US AT BAY.
THEY WANNA KEEP IT WHAT? KEEP US AT BIG, THE BOARD LEADERSHIP.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A STAFF MEETING.
CONTRACT? THEY HAVE A CONTRACT.
YEAH, BUT I THINK THEY- THEY CAN KEEP IT BIG, WE HAVE A CONTRACT.THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
AND I, I THINK THEY, THEY SEE THE RELATIONSHIP AS MORE - I, I DON'T.
I DO NOT WANNA GET IN THEIR WAY.
WHAT, WHAT'S THAT, SAY IT AGAIN? I'M SORRY.
I SAID I DON'T WANT US TO GET IN THEIR WAY AT ALL.
LIKE, GO FORTH WITH THE 20 ACRES.
WHAT I THINK WE COULD DO IS BE THE BRIDGE BETWEEN WHAT THEY'RE CREATING AND THE TRINITY RIVER.
TO CONNECT THOSE TWO THAT WILL THEN TRICKLE INTO ALL THIS OTHERS, IN MY OPINION.
BUT HOLISTICALLY, WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.
I AGREE WITH WHAT MOMENTUM'S HAPPENING.
LOOK, LET THEM KEEP ROLLING, BUT THEY DO HAVE A CONTRACTUAL - OKAY.
BUT ON THE COMMITMENT TO US, AND WE SHOULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH YOU AS CITIZENS OF ALEX, WE WANT THIS TO GO FORTH, BUT HERE, LET'S LEVERAGE HOW WE CONNECT IT.
I JUST, HAVING WORKED WITH - HOW DO WE DO THAT? WHAT THE NEXT STEP? I JUST, I DON'T, I THINK WE, I FEEL LIKE IT MIGHT BE HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC FORUM LIKE THIS TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION? WELL, FOR ALL OF US TO BE THERE, BUT WE COULD STILL GO IN LIKE THREE THINGS.
I MEAN, LOOK, WE CAN, WE CAN...
SO TPC IS GOING BACK TO KIND OF PATH FORWARD.
IT SOUNDS LIKE PEOPLE WANNA GO BACK TO TPC AND, AND SEE...
I WILL JUST REITERATE AND DOUBLE DOWN.
LIKE THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THEIR.
AND I WILL TELL YOU, I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ANY CURRENT INTEREST OR PLANS TO START LOOKING INTO THE OTHER THINGS, BUT WE CAN GO TALK TO THEM.
BUT THEN AGAIN, THE, THE CONTRACT TO THEM, IS IT LIKE, WHAT'S YOUR ROLE AND HOW ARE Y'ALL...
WHAT'S THE, WHAT, WHAT'S THE ROLE AND DEFINITION HERE? LIKE THAT'S I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
I HAVEN'T SEEN IT, SO I NEED TO - SO THEY WERE TO RAISE MONEY.
THEY WERE GOING TO DESIGN- DESIGN.
DONATE THE DESIGNS TO YOU ALL.
THEN THE NEXT CONTRACT YOU ALL WOULD HAVE WITH THEM WOULD BE A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH THEM TO MAINTAIN WHAT THEY DESIGN AND - OKAY.
BEFORE THEY WERE TO BUILD, THEY WERE TO PROVE UP TO YOU ALL THEY HAD SUFFICIENT OPERATIONAL DOLLARS TO MAINTAIN.
AND THE MONEY THEY'RE RAISING NOW, THE.
NO, I THINK THEY'RE STILL LOOKING FOR O&M.
EARLY PART OF THE PROJECT THEY WERE LOOK...
WELL, I THINK THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR O&M.
BECAUSE THEY CAME TO THE CITY OR OTHER, THEY WERE LOOKING AT OTHER LIKE TESTS AND OTHER MECHANISMS AND THOSE DIDN'T WORK - THOSE DIDN'T WORK.
AND SO I THINK, AGAIN, I THINK THEY'RE KIND OF COWBOY.
I THINK THEY'RE - BUT THAT'S THE O&M.
THAT'S THE O&M FOR THE 20 ACRE PARK, WHICH IS NOT PART OF THAT.
SO WHAT WE NEED TO KIND OF SEPARATE IS THAT, THAT WE HAVE A CONTRACT, WE NEED TO HAVE, WE NEED TO HAVE A, A, A SIT DOWN SPECIFICALLY AROUND THE CONTRACT, WHICH - IT SOUNDS LIKE...
YOU KNOW, LIKE - SO WHATEVER THEY WANNA DO, THAT'S FINE WITH THEM.
BUT WE NEED TO HOLD THEM TO THE CONTRACT.
IT'S LIKE WHAT THE, THE YOUNG KIDS SAY WHEN THE DA - WE NEED A DTR, DEFINE THE RELATIONSHIP.
ARE WE MARRIED? ARE WE DATING? ARE WE ENGAGED? PRACTICE IT'S NOT.
BUT DO THEY KNOW? I, I MEAN I - NO, THEY KNOW.
11 MONTHS OLD, SO I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THEN IT'S JUST LIKE, I DON'T WANNA...
I THINK EVERYBODY'S CREDIT, RIGHT? THE, THE TRINITY,
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THE TRINITY IS A MULTI-GENERATIONAL PROJECT.WE ARE 100 YEARS INTO IT AND I WOULD TELL YOU WE GOT ANOTHER 30, 40 BEFORE IT'S ALL BUILT OUT.
IT IS OVER 11 MILES IN A STRETCH AND IT IS NUANCED WITH FEDERAL AND STATE PARTNERS AND LOCAL PARTNERS, RIGHT? I THINK EVERYBODY HAS DONE A LOT OF WORK.
I THINK THAT IT'S BEEN A NUMBER OF YEARS AND YOU ALL HAVING THIS CONVERSATION AND THINKING THROUGH IT IS REALLY SETTING THE STAGE FOR WHAT, WHAT DOES THE GO FORWARD LOOK LIKE? 'CAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE MAINTENANCE CONVERSATIONS STARTED WHEN, WHEN THEY LOOKED AT THE INSIDE OF THE FLOODWAY AND THEY SAW WHAT THE CITY SPENDS TO KEEP IT IN REGULATORY COMPLIANCE BEFORE YOU PUT AMENITIES IN.
AND THEN KIND OF WANTING TO MAYBE CHANGE WHAT HAD BEEN APPROVED, STARTED A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION AND, AND Y'ALL'S CONTRACT AND THEIR CONTRACT DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO CHANGE THE RECORDS OF DECISIONS.
SO IT'S AN EVOLUTION, RIGHT? AND SOME OF IT IS FINDING THE RIGHT TIMES AND THE RIGHT PATH FORWARD AND KNOWING THAT EVERY GENERATION, INCLUDING Y'ALL, ARE GONNA DO A PIECE OF IT.
AND THEN YOU HAND THE NEXT TO THE NEXT GENERATION, RIGHT? SO IS THIS KIND OF CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, PAT, YOU SAID 100 YEARS, IS THIS KIND OF EBB AND FLOW NORMAL IN TERMS OF KIND OF HOW THE PIECES HAVE BEEN ADDED IN THE PAST? I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THIS WHAT WE'RE HAVING NOW HAVING 10, 20, 30, 15.
UM, YOU KNOW, OUR GENERATION IS GONNA PULL OFF A FLOOD CONTROL PIECE.
THIS, THE RECREATIONAL COMPONENTS ARE HARD, RIGHT? AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHY WE WANNA SHOW THEM TO Y'ALL BECAUSE EVERYBODY JUST...
I THINK THERE WAS A MOMENT IN TIME WHERE WE THOUGH THIS WAS A PARK AND IT'S ACTUALLY A FLOODWAY AND IT'S A RIPPLE FLOODWAY.
AND SO EVEN THESE PLANS ARE VERY OPTIMISTIC WITH HOW YOU WOULD EVEN MAINTAIN THAT, RIGHT? WE'VE GOT TRAILS OUT THERE AND EDUARDO'S TEAM IS OUT WITH SHOVELS AND STREET SLEEPERS BECAUSE THE MUD COMES OUT OF BANK AND YOU CAN'T JUST POWER WASH IT.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A VIOLATION OF YOUR STORMWATER PERMITTING, RIGHT? YES.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL HAVE KIND OF BEEN FROM READING Y'ALL'S MINUTES OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, Y'ALL HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT - BUT SAY...
HOW WE, HOW DO WE WANNA MAKE THIS HAPPEN? WHEN I JOINED THE CORPS, THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
THE CORPS STEPPED IN, SO THERE'S AN ISSUE, RIGHT? THEY HAD TO RAISE THE LEVEES.
DIDN'T THAT KIND OF SLOW THINGS DOWN? BUT THEN WE GOT THE FUNDS, FEDERAL FUNDS TO ACTUALLY RAISE THE LEVEES.
SO THE CORPS HAD ALREADY AUTHORIZED A PHASE ONE PLAN.
UM, THEY HAD ALREADY REVIEWED THESE THINGS I SHOWED YOU, RIGHT? YEAH.
WHEN WE COULDN'T DECIDE WHAT PLAN WE WANTED TO DO AS A PHASE ONE - YEAH.
AND THE CORPS RECEIVED THE BIPARTISAN BUDGET, THE MONEY TO ACTUALLY RAISE THE LEVEES, WHICH ARE PART OF THIS PLAN, RIGHT? WHAT THEY SAID WAS, "WE'RE GONNA GO DO FLOOD CONTROL.
WE'RE NOT GONNA AUTHORIZE ANYTHING INSIDE THE LEVEES UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING." AND SO YOU GUYS COULD FOCUS ON SOMETHING AND THEN THE FOCUS WAS THE BACK OF THE LEVEE, AND THEN AT SOME POINT IT CREPT ACROSS BACK THE CARS, RIGHT? RIGHT.
AND THAT'S ALL EVOLUTIONARY WORK.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I THINK THERE WAS MI - THERE WAS REDIRECTION WITH TPC BECAUSE OF THE, OF THE THINGS THAT HAD TO HAPPEN WITH THE CORPS TO GET THE LEV - IT REDIRECTED THEIR...
LIKE HOW CAN WE KEEP AND GET THINGS INTO MOTION, WHICH LED TO, OKAY, CAN WE ACQUIRE THE LAND? CAN WE MAKE THIS A PARK THAT CONNECTS TO THE LEVEE? SO I DON'T BLAME ANYONE.
WELL, THEY'RE ALSO TRYING TO RAISE THE MONEY.
BUT I GUESS THEY DIDN'T HAVE 200 MILLION.
WELL, LET'S, LET'S SEE THIS AS A PATH FORWARD BECAUSE I DO, I DO WANT ALL OF US TO SEE THE - YEAH.
THANK YOU, EDDIE, FOR MENTIONING THE CPC MEETING.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE EVERYBODY TO DO IS BY NOVEMBER 13TH, RIGHT, SO THAT'S A COUPLE WEEKS TO GIVE PEOPLE TIME TO HAVE A COUPLE CYCLES OF SLEEP.
PLEASE LET ME, UH, AND ANDREW KNOW IF YOU WANT TO KEEP GOING ON THIS BOARD.
'CAUSE LIKE I MENTIONED, WE HAVE TWO SEATS THAT ARE OPEN OR NEED TO BE RENEWED, WHATEVER.
AND THAT AGAIN, GOING TO THE CITY PROCESS, GETTING COUNT APPROVAL, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO IF YOU WANNA CONTINUE, UM, IF I DON'T HEAR FROM YOU, I'M ASSUMING YOU WANT TO CONTINUE ON THE BOARD.
IF YOU DON'T WANNA CONTINUE, PLEASE DO SEND ME A NOTE, ME AND ANDREW A NOTE,
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UM, AND WE WILL WORK WITH THE CITY TO, TO LET THEM KNOW IT'S GONNA BECOME A VACANCY.UM, THE SECOND THING I WANNA MENTION, JUST AS THE PATH FORWARD, IS CLEARLY THIS WAS A GOOD DISCUSSION AND I THINK ALL OF US ARE WALKING OUT OF HERE MORE ENLIGHTENED.
AND I, I PERSONALLY AS, AS A LEADER OF THIS BOARD, FEELS LIKE PEOPLE HAVE MORE INSIGHT AS TO STAY TO PLAY.
I FEEL LIKE P- PART OF EACH OF YOU HAD DIFFERENT PIECES OR SOME PIECES, NOT ALL THE PIECES.
BUT WHAT EVERYBODY SHOULD WALK AWAY KNOWING IS THAT WE ARE AT A, A CROSSROADS.
WE AS A BOARD NEED TO FIGURE OUT NOT ONLY PURPOSE, BUT PATH FORWARD.
UM, AND THESE ARE REAL FUNDAMENTAL THINGS THAT OBVIOUSLY IMPACT OUR MEETING, HOW OUR TIME IS SPENT, WHERE WE FOCUS, ALL THE THINGS, RIGHT? SO IN JANUARY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND PLAN FOR THAT JANUARY 15TH MEETING.
I MAY WORK WITH SARAH AGAIN IF SHE'LL ALLOW US MAYBE TO COME BACK HERE AND HAVE MORE OF A WORKING SESSION LIKE WE ARE TODAY, UM, TO, UH, FRANKLY KIND OF WORK THROUGH THE DATA.
IN THE INTERIM, IF YOU WANT TO GO HAVE A MEETING WITH TTC, AS I MENTIONED, ANDREW AND I ARE GOING, I THINK, DECEMBER 2ND, BUT I WILL EVEN MORE TO THE POINT, IF YOU WANT TO GO, I'M GOING TO GIVE UP MY SEAT TO THAT MEETING SO TWO MORE PEOPLE CAN GO.
JUST LET ME KNOW PROBABLY ASAP SO I CAN.
WHAT? JANUARY 15TH? JANUARY 15TH.
WELL, AND I MIGHT BE AT SESSION.
SO ACTUALLY, CAN WE REAL QUICK, I HATE TO GET ALL IN THE WEEDS.
BUT CAN WE GO TO JANUARY, BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE FOR US, AS MANY OF US, TO BE...
THAT'S ACTUALLY THE FIRST WEEK OF SESSION, CHRIS.
UM, DO WE WANNA MOVE IT TO THE 22ND OR WHAT, LIKE, WHAT DAY IN JANUARY? I KNOW SOME OF US, THIS WILL BE MY FIRST JANUARY MEETING.
AND WE CAN'T MEET IN FEBRUARY IF Y'ALL THINK THAT'S BETTER, BUT WHEN SHOULD WE HAVE THIS KIND OF NEXT MEETING? JANUARY IS FINE, SEPTEMBER.
WHAT DAY SHOULD WE LOOK AT? WHAT DAY CAN PEOPLE DO? NO, 15TH ALL GETS ME OUT OF THE COUNTRY, BUT 22ND, I GET BACK ON THE EVENING OF THE 15TH, SO...
SARAH, CITY, PLEASE NOTE THIS.
WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO THIS LOCATION, THE STORMWATER OPS.
THANK YOU ALL AGAIN FOR HOSTING US.
LET'S PLAN ON THAT BEING KINDA LIKE THIS, A 10 TO 12 MEETING.
UM, BUT THAT, THIS ONE, AGAIN, WILL BE MORE MATERIAL.
I'M HOPING BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, Y'ALL, IF, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, EDDIE MENTIONED THE TPC PIECE.
ANY OF YOU WANNA GO TALK TO TPC, LET ME KNOW.
YOU CAN HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, SEE IF THEY WANNA BUDGE.
I, I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT FROM OUR RECENT CONVERSATIONS, BUT I...
ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO GO TALK TO THEM ABOUT - I THINK WE SHOULD DO IT AS A GROUP.
FROM THEM IN TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT GROUPS.
THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN - ANDREW TAKES TWO.
AND IT'S ON THE SAME DAY, BACK TO BACK.
SO THAT, THOSE INDIVIDUALS - YEAH.
WILL ALLOW AN HOUR AND A HALF CONVERSATION OR THREE MINUTES EACH, WHATEVER.
SO THAT MEETING, I'LL JUST TELL Y'ALL REAL QUICK, BECAUSE, UH, BRIAN'S SCHEDULE WAS CRAZY.
IT'S CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 2ND AT ONE O'CLOCK.
I WILL HAVE TO CHECK WITH, UH, BRIAN'S EA TO SEE IF HE CAN DO, LIKE, ANOTHER...
WHO WANTS TO GO? RIGHT NOW, ANDREW'S CONFIRMED.
DO YOU WANNA, DO YOU MAKE A WAY TO COORDINATE THAT AFTER THEY'LL GO LOOK AT THEIR SCHEDULE? YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
UM, YEAH, AND I'LL GIVE UP MY TV.
UM - I DON'T WANT YOU TO GIVE UP YOUR - NO, NO.
SO LET ME SEE IF WE CAN DO SECOND GROUP.
SORRY, SARAH, THIS IS THE FUN IN THE BACKGROUND.
AND THEN COMING - I GUESS I WOULD JUST ASK, LIKE, WE'VE DEVOTED A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY TO THIS.
CAN, CAN THERE BE A PRIORITIZATION FROM THEIR SIDE TO ACCOMMODATE OUR GROUP, PLEASE? THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING.
SO THEY MIGHT COME BACK ALLOWED TO HAVE TIME.
CAN THEY FIGURE OUT HOW TO REWORK THE SCHEDULE TO ACCOMMODATE THIS GROUP? 'CAUSE I'VE DEVOTED SIX YEARS OF MY LIFE.
AND A 20-MINUTE MEETING, THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR AND A PARTICULAR TIME OF DAY.
SO MARK, IS HE STILL THERE? YEAH.
I WILL GO, UM, BACK AND I WILL SEND THIS OUT TO Y'ALL.
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NEED ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE NEED ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE THE JANUARY MEETING? OKAY.LET ME KNOW IF Y'ALL WANT TO STAY ON.