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CAN, UM, ELIANA, CAN YOU START US OFF WITH THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.UH, WE'RE GONNA BEGIN WITH DISTRICT ONE.
OKAY, SIR, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
UH, GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.
TODAY IS THURSDAY, MAY 2ND, 2024, 9:05 AM UH, WELCOME TO THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, AS ALWAYS, UH, THIS IS JUST A TIME FOR QUESTIONS.
UH, WE'LL KEEP ALL OUR COMMENTS TO THE BRIEF TO THE HEARING THIS AFTERNOON.
UH, JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS BEFORE WE GET STARTED, UH, THIS AFTERNOON.
THE VERY LAST ITEM, NUMBER 46, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME, SOME SPECIAL VISITORS WITH US TODAY.
SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE THAT ITEM UP.
UH, PROBABLY NOT TO THE VERY TOP, BUT, UH, DEFINITELY NOT AT THE END.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, UH, SOME INTERPRETERS COMING IN FOR THREE CASES.
SO DEPENDING ON THE TIME, WE MAY HAVE TO MOVE THOSE, THOSE AROUND A LITTLE BIT.
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GONNA GO AHEAD AND START OFF WITH OUR, OUR BRIEFING, THE FORWARD DALLAS PIECE, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.AND WITH THAT, GENTLEMEN, WE'RE READY.
UH, SO TODAY'S DISCUSSION IS GONNA BE CONTINUATION OF OUR LAST WORKSHOP IN APRIL.
UH, THERE WERE TWO SECTIONS THAT WE NEEDED TO DISCUSS AND GET YOUR COMMENTS ON.
UH, THOSE WERE THE HOUSING AND THE URBAN DESIGN, UH, IMPLEMENTATION SECTIONS.
UH, SO BASICALLY JUST GONNA OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION, UH, SUGGESTIONS AND TALK THROUGH, UM, ANY EDITS THAT YOU FEEL SHOULD BE INCORPORATED.
UH, WHAT OUR TEAM'S GONNA DO AFTER WE GET ALL THE, THE FEEDBACK FROM TODAY, WE'RE GONNA BE DEVELOPING A PRESENTATION THAT HAS ALL OF THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU ALL PRESENTED TO US.
AND WE'LL COME BACK BEFORE YOU ALL AND TALK THROUGH EACH OF THOSE, GET DIRECTION ON WHICH WAY TO GO.
AND THEN OUR TEAM WILL UPDATE THE DOCUMENT PER YOUR DIRECTION.
SO TODAY IS GONNA BE THE LAST DAY OF GETTING THAT FEEDBACK FROM THE CURRENT PLAN DOCUMENT.
AFTER WE GET THAT FEEDBACK, WE'LL PRESENT ALL THE INPUT BACK TO YOU ALL, HAVE YOU ALL PRESENT, UM, HAVE YOU ALL DECIDE, DETERMINE WHERE WE SHOULD GO, UH, FROM A DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLAN PERSPECTIVE, AND THEN WE'LL GO FORWARD, UH, MAKING THOSE CHANGES.
SO, SO WITH THAT, UH, IF YOU HAVE THE PDF OR THE PRINTOUT WHERE, AND THE HOUSING, UH, CHOICE AND ACCESS, UM, PART OF THE DOCUMENT, I'M GONNA SHARE THAT JUST FOR REFERENCE FOR THOSE ONLINE.
AND JUST LIKE BEFORE, UH, JUST OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSIONS, UH, REGARDING ANY REVIEW OR INPUTS THAT YOU ALL HAD ON THAT PARTICULAR, UM, SPREAD.
COMMISSIONER FORSYTH REGARDING ITEM NUMBER TWO, LAWRENCE, UH, CAN YOU, OH, ARE YOU SPEAKING TO MIC, SIR? I'M SORRY.
CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, EXPLORE UPDATING THE DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ALLOW ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN, UH, WHAT IS MEANT BY THIS? UH, UH, WHEN I READ THIS, IT, IT, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE'RE ADVOCATING FOR ADUS BY RIGHT IN, IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
IS IS THAT THE, UH, CORRECT INTERPRETATION OR NOT? NO.
SO, UM, IN TERMS OF THIS PARTICULAR LANGUAGE, TWO THINGS HAVE HAPPENED.
ONE THAT BY RIGHT LANGUAGE WAS CHANGED WITH, UH, CLUB DURING THE LAST REVIEW.
AND THEN TWO, THIS SAYS, AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THIS PLAN, UH, INITIATE A, A, A PUBLIC PROCESS TO DISCUSS A DU.
SO IT'S MORE BRINGING THAT BACK UP TO THE DISCUSSION TO THE PUBLIC TO HELP DETERMINE WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN WITH ADUS, UM, IN, IN, UH, RESIDENTIAL, IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
CAN YOU READ EXACTLY WHAT THE NEW LANGUAGE IS, PLEASE? SO FOR THOSE ONLINE, IT SAYS, EXPLORE UPDATING DEVELOPMENT CODE, UH, TO ACCESSORY TO EXPLORE UPDATING THE DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ALLOW ACCESSORY DRILLING UNITS IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS AND INCORPORATE DESIGN STANDARDS TO ENSURE NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY.
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WELL, YEAH, THAT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT, WHAT I READ.UH, THAT'S WHAT I'M, I, I SEE ON THE, ON THE DRAFT THAT I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME.
UH, CAN, SORRY, CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT? YEAH.
THE, THE, THE FOLKS ONLINE WON'T BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU, SIR.
IF YOU CAN PULL THAT, YOU CAN PULL IT FORWARD IF YOU LIKE.
SO, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT, IT DOESN'T, UH, STATE, UH, UH, THE CURRENT PROCESS REQUIRES ADUS TO BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, RIGHT? THE YES, COMMISSIONER, RIGHT NOW, UM, IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A, SO TAKING A QUICK STEP BACK, UM, BECAUSE A DU IS A TERM THAT SOME PEOPLE KNOW AND SOME PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, BUT AN A DU IS AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, UM, THAT INCLUDES A STRUCTURE THAT IS SEPARATE FROM YOUR HOUSE, THAT HAS A BATHROOM, A KITCHEN, AND A BEDROOM HAS TO HAVE ALL THREE OF THOSE, RIGHT? RIGHT.
NOW, YOU CAN GO OUT THERE AND YOU CAN BUILD A STRUCTURE THAT HAS JUST TWO OF THOSE.
UM, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET ANY SPECIAL PERMISSION IF IT HAS ALL THREE OF THOSE, YOU HAVE TO GET SPECIAL PERMISSION FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
UM, THE MEMBERS OF THE ZONING BOARD OF ADU ADJUSTMENT, IT'S A QUASI-JUDICIAL BOARD, UM, UH, MADE UP OF APPOINTED INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS FROM THE, FROM, FROM DALLAS.
UM, AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO AND GET PERMISSION FROM THAT BOARD TO BUILD A STRUCTURE WITH ALL THREE OF THOSE IN THERE.
UM, TO BE QUITE HONEST, UM, NOT A LOT OF FOLKS GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
UM, BECAUSE IT IS A LENGTHY PROCESS.
THERE IS SOME FEE, EXCUSE ME, THERE ARE SOME FEES INVOLVED WITH IT.
AND SO MOST FOLKS, AND I SPEAK FROM, UM, WORKING IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, MOST FOLKS JUST CHOOSE TO BUILD A STRUCTURE WITH JUST TWO OF THOSE IN THERE, IF THEY DO CHOOSE TO BUILD SOMETHING AND NOT GO THROUGH THAT BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT PROCESS.
UM, SO NUMBER TWO HERE, IT SAYS, WE NEED TO EXPLORE WHAT THIS PROCESS IS.
IS IT WORKING THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING OR IS IT NOT WORKING THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING? UM, IT DOESN'T SAY THAT WE SHOULD ALLOW THESE BY, RIGHT? BUT IT DOES SAY WE NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION TO SAY, WHAT SHOULD ADUS AND STRUCTURES LIKE ADUS LOOK LIKE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS? HOW, HOW SHOULD THEY BE ALLOWED? HOW SHOULD THEY NOT BE ALLOWED? ARE THERE DESIGN PARAMETERS THAT WE COULD INCORPORATE, UM, THAT WOULD SATISFY SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS, OR ARE THERE NOT? IT SAYS THAT WE SHOULD BE HAVING THAT CONVERSATION.
AND THEN TO JUST, I THINK, ADD TO KIND OF WHAT, UH, PATRICK MENTIONED.
I THINK ANOTHER QUESTION THAT'S BEHIND YOUR QUESTION, UM, WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING TO EXPLORE AND CLARIFY WHAT THIS IS, THIS INTENT IS.
SO ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, SUGGESTION, JUST ADD NOTES ON HERE, IS, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THIS PLAN, INITIATE A PUBLIC PROCESS TO DISCUSS, UH, ADUS AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS AND ESTABLISH UPDATED A DU REGULATIONS TO ADDRESS SCALE, FORM DESIGN, ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO MAYBE ENHANCE THE WAY THAT THIS IS, UH, CURRENTLY WORDED, BECAUSE I THINK JUST, IT'S, IT'S STILL A LITTLE BIT VAGUE.
SO MAYBE BRINGING THAT MORE DETAIL WOULD HELP WITH ADDRESSING YOUR, YOUR CONCERNS AND YOUR QUESTION.
THE, I I THINK THE COMMUNITY CONCERN THOUGH IS, IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN FOLKS READ THIS, THEY, THEY FEEL THAT THIS IS SAYING THAT WE'RE ADVOCATING ADUS BY RIGHT.
IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS.
CAN I ALSO ASK YOU TO EXPLAIN, UH, WHAT IS MEANT BY ITEM NUMBER THREE, EXPLORE THE CREATION OF INFILL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO ALLOW APPROPRIATE SCALED INFIELD HOUSING AND DESIGNATED AREAS.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A KIND OF A REPEAT OF THE, UH, INFILL DEVELOPMENT, UH, PHRASE OR SENTENCE THAT'S IN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTION THAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO, UH, ELIMINATE.
SO THAT IS, UH, SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A COUPLE OF, WELL, WE HAVE A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS.
UM, BUT NONE OF THEM REALLY CAPTURE WHAT THE MARKET IS DOING WHEN PEOPLE ARE DOING MORE OF THAT URBAN INFILL STYLE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT STYLE OF DEVELOPMENT, USUALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU ASK FOR A PD AND YOU COME IN FOR, YOU KNOW, COME BEFORE CPC AND YOU SAY, THIS IS EXACTLY HOW WE'RE GONNA CREATE THIS TYPE OF UNIT KNOW SEVEN UNIT DEVELOPMENT, OR EIGHT UNIT DEVELOPMENT, OR 12 UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
BUT IT DOESN'T MATCH OUR SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
IT DOESN'T MATCH OUR MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
IT DOESN'T QUITE FIT IN WITH ANY OF THOSE.
SO THAT STATEMENT SAYS THAT WE SHOULD EX, LIKE, WE SHOULD LOOK AT CREATING A BASE ZONING DISTRICT THAT SOMEONE CAN COME IN AND REZONE THEIR PROPERTY TO INSTEAD OF A PD, BUT CREATE A ZONING DISTRICT THAT MATCHES THAT MORE INFILL STYLE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS HAPPENING WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS CURRENTLY.
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ALSO TO ADD TO THAT, I THINK, UH, A GRAPHIC THAT YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH IS, UH, WHEN YOU SEE ELM THICKET, YOU KNOW, THE, THAT CASE WHERE YOU HAVE THE, THAT OLDER RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE NEWER, UH, RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE RIGHT BESIDE EACH OTHER, UM, THE CURRENT, I GUESS, ZONING RIGHT ON ON THERE IS THE SAME, BUT WE GOTTA THINK ABOUT MORE CONTEXTUAL, UM, KIND OF INFILL ZONING STANDARDS THAT HELP WITH THAT, UM, TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WHERE YOU DO KIND OF, WHEN YOU PLOP A NEW, UH, UH, UNIT IN A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S EXISTING OR, UH, HAS A PARTICULAR SCALE, SOMETHING THAT MATCHES AND, AND, AND STILL WORKS WITH THAT.SO CURRENTLY WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, FOUR DALLAS, WE SCRAP THIS, LIKE, THAT'S STILL HAPPENING.
SO WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT, UM, THROUGH, YOU KNOW, UH, FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS.
COMMISSIONER HOFFER, COMMISSIONER RUBIN, UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON ADUS, UH, WHEN I WAS SERVING ON ZO OAC.
WE COVERED ADUS FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
UH, AND I WANT A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE IS THEY EXIST ALL OVER THE CITY AND, AND THE CITY HAS NO CLUE HOW MANY ARE ALREADY THERE.
SO, BUT THE OTHER THING IS, UM, I THINK THAT DISCUSSION DIDN'T, DID NOT LEAD TO ANYTHING.
I THINK IT WAS SORT OF TABLED.
WOULD, WOULD WHAT YOU WERE JUST SPEAKING ABOUT, WOULD THAT BE A CONTINUATION OF THAT DISCUSSION? A DU? CORRECT.
FOLLOWING UP ON NUMBER TWO, THE A DU ITEM WHEN CLUB PASSED OR PASSED ALONG FORWARD DALLAS TO THE PLAN COMMISSION, ITEM NUMBER TWO REFERRED TO A CODE AMENDMENT TO ALLOW ADUS BY WRIGHT, CORRECT? UH, WITH K CLUB? YES.
AND THAT LANGUAGE IS NO LONGER IN THE CURRENT DRAFT OF THE DOCUMENT.
SO THERE WAS AN INTERIM DRAFT THAT K CLUB HAD THAT SAID THAT THE BY RIGHT.
AND, UM, WHEN WE UPDATED THIS IN FEBRUARY, UH, THE CURRENT DRAFT DOCUMENT SAYS EXPLORE UPDATING, UH, DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ALLOW ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, UH, AND INCORPORATE DESIGN STANDARDS.
SO THE BY RIGHT WAS REMOVED WHEN IT WAS, UH, UPDATED IN FEBRUARY.
A AFTER CLUB PASSED IT ALONG SO THAT THAT CHANGE HAS BEEN MADE BY STAFF AT THIS POINT.
UM, SO AS COMMISSIONER HALL REFERENCED, THERE IS A PENDING ZO OAC PROCEEDING RELATING TO ADUS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND I ASSUME THAT, THAT IT PREDATED MY TIME ON ZO OAC, BUT THAT PENDING ZO OAC PROCEEDING COULD DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF WAYS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, FACILITATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF CONTEXT SENSITIVE ADU.
IT MAY BE BY RIGHT, WITH DESIGN STANDARDS, IT MAY BE SOME OTHER SORT OF MECHANISM THAT WE HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH YET SINCE I WASN'T DEEPLY INVOLVED IN THAT.
BUT THE IMPORTANT TAKEAWAY IS THAT THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FACILITATING ADU IS A, YOU KNOW, HAPPENING KIND OF ON A, NOT A PARALLEL PATH, BUT LAGGING BEHIND, YOU KNOW, THIS DOCUMENT.
SO WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH RESPECT TO ADUS WILL GO THROUGH THE FULL CODE AMENDMENT PROCESS.
ITEM NUMBER THREE, WE TALK ABOUT THE CREATION OF IT AND INFILL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
I WONDER IF WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT SUGGESTING RESIDENTIAL INFILL, RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, PLURAL.
YOU KNOW, I, I THINK SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEAR ARE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ONE SIZE FITS ALL SOLUTIONS, AND I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, THE SAME INFILL, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT MAKES THE SAME SENSE IN, IN EVERY CONTEXT.
SO MAYBE I, I DON'T KNOW A NUMBER, BUT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, LARGER INFILL PROJECTS THAT WE SEE THAT COME TO US, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE ON A SIDE OF AN ACRE OR HALF AN ACRE.
THEN THERE ARE SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, INFILL PROPOSALS THAT WE SEE FOR A SINGLE LOT.
AND THOSE SEEM TO PRESENT SOME DISTINCT IN SOME WAYS AND SIMILAR IN OTHER WAYS ISSUES.
BUT I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY LIMIT OUR INFILL DISTRICTS TO ONE, CONSIDERING SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.
WELL, UM, COMMISSIONER RUBIN'S LAST POINT WAS ONE OF THE POINTS I WAS GONNA RAISE.
I'VE BEEN NOODLING AROUND THOSE ISSUES MYSELF.
AND THEN ON THE TOP OF, OF ADUS, UM, I, I ACTUALLY THINK THAT, UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY, WHILE THERE IS A VOCAL MINORITY THAT IS OPPOSED TO THEM, THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT THEM.
SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF TAKING ANY REFERENCE TO DISCUSSIONS OF ADUS OUTTA THE PLAN.
UM, IN FACT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE INCORPORATED THEM, UM, MOST CITIES HAVE GONE BACK AND RELAXED LEGISLATION IN ORDER TO PROMOTE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE
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A PROVEN CONCEPT AND THEY HAVE NOT HAD THE ADVERSE CONSEQUENCES THAT THE NAYSAYERS SEEM TO TOTE.SO, UM, I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF TAKING THAT OUT OF THE PLAN.
ONE QUICK LITTLE ITEM, UH, GENTLEMEN, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S FOLKS THAT ARE WATCHING US ONLINE.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE VERY CLEAR IN THE LANGUAGE THAT WE USE.
SO IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THIS A DU PIECE, UH, AS YOU KNOW, I, I'VE ATTENDED LOTS OF THESE, UH, COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND, UH, OCCASIONALLY WE SEE THE, YOU KNOW, THE MAGIC FLYER.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY THERE'S, THERE'S A MOVEMENT THERE TO SCARE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE A DU PIECE.
IF THERE ARE NO EDITS TO THE, THE A DU LINE ITEM HERE, AND IT IS PASSED BY THIS BODY, RIGHT, DOES THAT RESULT IN ADUS BEING ALLOWED? NO.
NOW, IF, IF CITY COUNCIL THEN ADOPTS THIS LANGUAGE WITHOUT AN EDIT, DOES THAT ALLOW ADUS BY, RIGHT? NO, SIR.
DOES THAT EVEN BEGIN THE PROCESS OF ALLOWING ADUS BY, RIGHT.
WHY NOT? BECAUSE THAT'S A SEPARATE PROCESS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BEGIN, UH, WITH STAFF AND THIS BODY BEING ABLE TO INITIATE THAT AND THEN MOVING THROUGH, UH, THE CORRECT BOARDS TO DISCUSS, APPROVE, AND THEN MOVE IT UP TO COUNCIL EVENTUALLY.
AND, AND DOES THAT PROCESS ALLOW FOR PUBLIC INPUT AND DISCUSSION? AND, AND DOES IT TAKE TO TEND TO TAKE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME? YES, SIR.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE, WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GROSSLY MISLEADING FLYER, DOES THE ALLOWANCE OF ADUS CREATE DUPLEX ZONING IN ALL SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS? NO, MA'AM.
I DIDN'T SEE, YOU'RE PROBABLY WAVING AT ME, PLEASE.
UM, AND I'M JUST GONNA ASK THIS ON ITEM TWO.
AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADUS, THE FOCUS SEEMS TO BE ON THE WORD ALLOW IS, IS WHAT I WOULD TAKE AWAY.
NOT THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING THE CONVERSATION, NOT THAT WE'RE NOT EXPLORING WHAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE AS WE'RE TRYING TO THINK ABOUT DIFFERENT HOUSING OPTIONS.
IS THERE A WORD OTHER THAN ALLOW THAT WOULD PERHAPS BRIDGE THIS GAP THAT SAYS WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY BE EXPLORING THIS, BUT ALLOW, CERTAINLY SEEMS ON THE PROACTIVE SIDE, AND I THINK THAT MAY BE GIVEN, UM, SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY PAUSE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE I KNOW WHAT THAT ALTERNATE WORD IS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT MIGHT BE THE WAY TO BRIDGE THE, THE CONVERSATION.
UM, I'M JUST MAKING TWO STATEMENTS 'CAUSE I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THE ANSWERS I, WELL, ONE, I DO HAVE AN ANSWER ON ITEM THREE WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT THE CREATION OF, UM, INFILL ROAD, UH, RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
MY QUESTION WOULD BE, SHOULDN'T THAT BE ALTERNATIVE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS? I DON'T THINK WE'RE TRYING TO SAY THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COMMENT WAS MADE THAT IT'S NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, I THINK WE WOULD WANNA BE MORE BROAD IN HOW WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS.
AND I KNOW WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING TYPES AND, UM, THAT ARE BEING UTILIZED, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE NATION THAT ARE IN OUR CITY TODAY THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY DEFINED VERY WELL IN OUR CODE.
SO IT WAS A SUGGESTION THAT I, I THINK THAT MIGHT HELP EVEN FURTHER EXPAND THE CONVERSATION AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT WHAT THE, THOSE HOUSING CHOICES MIGHT BE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER AS CHAIR RUBIN.
YEAH, I, I HEAR COMMISSIONER HAMPTON'S POINTS ABOUT ALLOW, AND HOW THAT MAY LEAD TO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS SOME PEOPLE SEEING THIS AS A SHADOW BY RIGHT LANGUAGE MAYBE FACILITATE.
BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, ADUS AS COMMISSIONER KINGSTON SAID, ARE A REALLY IMPORTANT TOOL IN OUR, YOU KNOW, HOUSING CHOICES TOOLBOX.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING PROCESS THROUGH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT DOES COME THROUGH SOME CRITICISM.
SO I THINK FACILITATE SAYS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE STATUS QUO AND SEE HOW WE CAN DEPART FROM IT, POTENTIALLY IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY.
UM, BUT ALSO DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, SUGGEST THAT WE'RE JUST SAYING BUY RIDE IS ABSOLUTELY THE WAY THAT WE NEED TO GO HERE.
IT'S A CONSIDERATION, BUT IT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY OPTION I WOULD THINK.
UH, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE GOAL THERE ON NUMBER THREE, EXPLORE THE CREATION OF, OF INFIELD, RESIDENTIAL, ET CETERA? WHAT, WHAT IS THE GOAL THERE? IT'S TO CREATE AN OPTION WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A THOUSAND MORE PDS.
UM, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, UM, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO INTO A
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COMMUNITY AND, AND, AND DEVELOP ADDITIONAL HOUSING, UM, YOU'RE EITHER GONNA BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE OR A BIG APARTMENT BUILDING.AND THOSE ARE REALLY OUR TWO OPTIONS.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF THAT MISSING MIDDLE THAT IS THAT, THAT THAT'S THERE.
AND SO IT'S THE INTENT TO SAY, OKAY, WE NEED A ZONING DISTRICT OR A COUPLE OF ZONING DISTRICTS THAT WOULD, YOU COULD STRAIGHT ZONE IT AND YOU NOT HAVE TO CREATE, UH, MORE WORK FOR, FOR RYAN'S TEAM.
SO I, I THINK I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN, AND I, RYAN MAY TAKE OFFENSE TO THAT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAD A CASE IN, IN DISTRICT FIVE, I THINK LATE LAST YEAR, UH, THAT, UH, WAS IN A KIND OF A LARGE LOT.
ONE SIDE OF THE STREET WAS SINGLE FAMILY, THE OTHER SIDE WAS TOWN HOMES, AND THE APPLICANT, UH, HAD THE CORNER LOT ON THE SIDE OF THE TOWN.
HOMES WANTED TO BUILD MORE TOWN HOMES, COMMUNITY EMBRACED IT.
SO NO OPPOSITION, BUT WE COULDN'T DO THE ZONING.
WE HAD TO PUT HIM IN, I THINK, AN MF SOMETHING WITH, YOU KNOW, A LONG LIST OF DEED RESTRICTIONS TO GET HIM WHERE HE NEEDED TO GO ON A PROJECT TO BUILD TOWN HOMES ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET WITH OTHER TOWN HOMES.
WHEN I READ NUMBER THREE, THAT TO ME, SPEAKS ABOUT WHAT THE PROBLEM WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SAYING WE'RE GONNA PICK THIS, THE, THE OBJECT OF THIS TO ME IS NOT TO BREAK A, A SINGLE FAMILY STREET AND PUT IN A, YOU KNOW, A TOWN HOME RIGHT SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.
WHAT THIS SAYS TO ME IS THAT WHERE IT MAKES SENSE, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE FUTURE THINKING HERE AND THINK ABOUT THE, THE FUTURE OF THE CITY, AND HOPEFULLY STAY AWAY FROM HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, DO, UH, YOU KNOW, TANGLE OURSELVES UP DEED RESTRICTIONS IN ORDER TO FIND A SOLUTION FOR AN APPLICANT.
UH, UM, SOMEONE HAS ALREADY, FOR IN NUMBER THREE, MOST CASES, PEOPLE ARE ALREADY GOING TO PROPOSE A ZONING CHANGE.
IT'S, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A BASE ZONING DISTRICT THAT MEETS WHAT THAT COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE.
AND SO IT'S CREATING A BASE ZONING DISTRICT THAT THE COMMUNITY SAYS, YES, WE WE'RE OKAY WITH THIS TYPE OF DENSITY AND THIS TYPE OF HOUSING, BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A BASE ZONING DISTRICT THAT'S REFLECTED OF THAT.
AND THEN ALSO SOME MORE CONTEXT.
SO 2006 FOR DALLAS AT THAT TIME, SUGGESTED A CODE ZONING UPDATE TO HAPPEN RIGHT AFTER THAT.
UH, 20 PLUS YEARS LATER, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ONE.
UH, SO TYPICALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A UPDATE TO YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU WANNA FOLLOW THAT UP PRETTY QUICKLY WITH A, A ZONING CODE UPDATE.
SO, UH, LUCKILY WE'RE ALSO INITIATING THAT PROCESS NOW TO HOPEFULLY, UH, CONTINUE, UH, THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE HAVING NOW WITH, UH, THE MORE NUANCED DETAILS WITH HOW IS THIS GONNA GET APPLIED? SO AS WE'RE HAVING THE DISCUSSIONS, AGAIN, THIS PLAN IS NOT GONNA CHANGE OR, OR TWEAK THAT, BUT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW DO WE APPLY THAT, UH, UH, MOVING FORWARD AFTER THIS PLAN.
UH, BECAUSE LIKE, UH, PATRICK MENTIONED PDS AND ALL THESE OTHER TOOLS, OR BASICALLY, UH, WE'RE USING WHAT WE HAVE TO, TO KIND OF RESPOND TO THE MARKET.
WE NEED TO UPDATE OUR CODE TO RESPOND TO THAT BETTER.
SO IT'S MORE PREDICTABLE, EASIER TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GONNA BE DEVELOPED.
WHEN YOU HAVE PDS, IT'S UNCLEAR.
IT'S UNCLEAR WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GET FROM THAT PRODUCT UNLESS YOU ARE IN THAT PROCESS.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE ZONING, UH, IS UPDATED TO PROVIDE A SUITE OF OPTIONS, UH, WITH WHAT THE MARKET AND THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE.
AND, UH, COMMISSIONER BLA, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, JUST ONE, ONE ADDITIONAL COMMENT, UH, AND AGAIN, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE USING, UH, LANGUAGE, UH, THAT IS EASIER TO UNDERSTAND.
DOES, DOES ITEM NUMBER THREE CREATE ZONING? DOES IT CREATE INFIELD ZONING? NO, IT DOESN'T.
HOW WOULD THAT HAPPEN IF THIS PASSES AND COUNCIL PASSES, WHAT IS WRITTEN THERE ON ITEM NUMBER THREE? DOES THAT CREATE INFIELD ZONING? IT DOES NOT.
HOW WOULD THAT HAPPEN? SO, A SEPARATE PUBLIC PROCESS WOULD HAPPEN THROUGH ZAC AND CPC AND CITY COUNCIL TO CREATE A NEW ZONING DISTRICT THAT WOULD NOT REZONE ANY PROPERTY.
TO BE CLEAR, THAT FIRST PUBLIC PROCESS WOULD NOT REZONE ANY PUBLIC, ANY PROPERTY TO THAT INFO ZONING DISTRICT.
YOU WOULD CREATE THAT ZONING DISTRICT, THEN OTHER PUBLIC PROCESSES WOULD HAPPEN FOR PA SITE PACIFIC OR COMMUNITY PACIFIC LOCATIONS TO THEN REZONE A PROPERTY FOR THAT ZONING DISTRICT THAT WOULD, AGAIN, GROW THROUGH CITY COUNCIL, GO THROUGH CPC AND WOULD BE A SEPARATE PUBLIC PROCESS IF CITY COUNCIL PASSES THIS, THIS UPDATE WITH THIS LANGUAGE INCLUDED, DOES THAT INITIATE THE PROCESS? IT DOES NOT.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR WELL, YOU TOOK MOST OF MY QUESTIONS AWAY FROM ME, SO LET ME SEE IF I CAN RESTATE SOME OF THEM.
UM, AND NUMBER THREE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE IS A NEED, A NEW NEED THAT HAS BEEN, I IDENTIFIED IN FOR
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DALLAS, BUT THIS IS BEEN SINCE, FOR DALLAS, IS JUST A LAND USE PROCESS AND NOT A ZONING CHANGE PROCESS, THAT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IS A WISHLIST, IF YOU WILL.AND THAT YOU ARE, THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS ITEM IS IDENTIFYING, UM, A NEED THAT DOES NOT EXIST AND THAT THERE IS NO ZONING AT THIS CURRENT, CURRENT TIME IN ORDER TO ANSWER THAT NEED? CORRECT.
SO IF THIS IS JUST A LAND USED ITEM AND NOT A ZONING ITEM, AND I FORGOT MINE, SO, UM, I, AND I DEFINITELY CAN'T SEE THERE NOR THERE.
UM, YOU WANT TO EXPLORE THE CREATION NOT TO CREATE, CORRECT.
SO FOR OUR VISUAL LEARNERS IN THE ROOM, UM, NOW ME, UM, THE, WE HAVE A BLOCK, UM, THERE ARE TWO HOUSES, THREE HOUSES, ONE ON THE END, ONE IN THE MIDDLE, ONE ON THE VERY END IN BETWEEN OR LOTS.
UM, THE COMMUNITY, THE DISTRICT, THE, THE COUNCIL MEMBER COMES IN AND SAY, OKAY, LET'S MAKE THIS AN INFIELD DISTRICT.
UM, THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO KIND OF REGULATE MORE WHAT GOES IN THOSE LOTS.
SO IN THAT EXAMPLE, UM, SOMEONE WOULD COME IN AND SAY, WELL, IT'S ZONED FOR, UH, WHATEVER IT IS ZONED TODAY.
UM, I WANNA CHANGE THAT ZONING, BUT WHAT I WANT TO BUILD, I CAN'T DO THAT WITH ANY OF THE BASE ZONING DISTRICTS.
AND SO THEY'RE GONNA SAY, WELL, I'D LIKE IT TO BE TH THREE, BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I CAN DO THIS, THAT, OR THE OTHER THING, OR I WANT IT TO BE MF TWO, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BUILD 36 UNITS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO BUILD FOUR, BUT I CAN'T MAKE IT WORK BECAUSE OF PARKING REQUIREMENT OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
AND SO THAT WOULD SAY, HERE'S A BASE ZONING DISTRICT WHERE WE CAN SAY, OH YEAH, THIS MATCHES, YOU KNOW, UM, THESE TYPES OF COMMUNITIES.
AND IT'S A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PRODUCT THAN WHAT'S OUT THERE TODAY, BUT IT'S A PRODUCT THAT THE COMMUNITIES ARE GOOD WITH.
AND THAT WOULD BE A BASE ZONING DISTRICT THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, YES, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND REVIEW THIS CASE.
BUT AS OPPOSED TO CREATING PD 1,314, IT'S GONNA BE, UM, YOU KNOW, A INFILL DIS, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE AN ID DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, ID THREE OR SOMETHING, OR ID TWO OR ID ONE BASED UPON EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
AND I WANT, YEAH, I WANT TO CLARIFY A FEW THINGS THERE.
THERE'S TWO THINGS I THINK THAT WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF CONFOUNDING.
THERE'S A CREATION, THE CREATION OF THOSE DISTRICTS, AND APPLYING THOSE DISTRICTS IN, IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN, EXCUSE ME, YOU CAN CREATE MORE DISTRICTS, MORE, MORE SUITES OF ZONING DISTRICTS, BUT JUST BECAUSE IT'S CREATED DOESN'T MEAN IT'S APPLIED IN A PARTICULAR PROCESS.
YOU STILL NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT PUBLIC PROCESS OF MAYBE TAKING THAT NEW, UH, ZONING DISTRICT THAT WAS CREATED, THAT FULFILLS WHAT THE DESIRE IS, AND THEN OF TRYING TO APPLY THAT THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH, UH, IN THE CITY.
SO THERE'S DEFINITELY CREATION OF THE DISTRICT AND THE APPLICATION OF IT.
AND I DEFINITELY SUPPORT THE CREATION OF THE, THE CONVERSATION AROUND CREATIONS OF DISTRICTS.
SO, UH, LISTENING TO YOU, IT SOUNDS THEN THIS INFILL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IS TO ALLOW FOR DEVELOPMENT OF MULTIPLEXES, UH, SOMETHING BETWEEN, UH, UH, TOWN HOMES AND, AND, AND, AND MULTIFAMILY, LIKE, LIKE A QUADPLEX WELL, IT, IT WOULD BE TO ALLOW SOMETHING THAT'S BETWEEN A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOUSE AND A BIG APARTMENT BUILDING.
THAT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF GOOD ZONING DISTRICTS TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.
AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THESE CASES THAT COME UP WHERE SOMEONE IS TRYING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT THEY CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE THE ZONING DOESN'T ALLOW THEM.
AND SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR A PD OR SOME AMENDMENTS, UH, OR SOME DEED RESTRICTIONS AS THE CHAIR MENTIONED.
UM, AND THERE ALSO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE ISN'T THAT BASE ZONING DISTRICT, AND IT WOULD PROVIDE THOSE OPTIONS FOR THAT REZONING FOR DIFFERENT AREAS.
AND I THINK TO, TO ADD TO THAT, I THINK THE SUGGESTION ABOUT CHANGING THIS TO DISTRICTS COULD, COULD HELP.
UH, SO THERE ARE A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS IN, IN, IN THE CITY.
UH, SOME THEY JUST SINGLE FAMILY ONLY IN TERMS OF, UH, MAYBE, UM, YOU KNOW, 7.5, FOR EXAMPLE.
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THAT THERE.SO IF YOU PROVIDE MORE OF THOSE DISTRICTS, UM, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE IN THE CITY, YOU CAN CHOOSE MORE OPTIONS TO KIND OF INFILL IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT MAKES MORE SENSE IN TERMS OF THE CONTEXT THAT YOU'RE IN.
SO I THINK THE, THE ZONING DISTRICTS ARE LOOKING AT, LIKE, LIKE PATRICK MENTIONED, IT'LL BE A SUITE IN BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY ONLY AND AN APARTMENT COMPLEX TO PROVIDE A MORE ROBUST SUITE OF OPTIONS THAT APPLY BETTER TO YOUR COMMUNITY.
INSTEAD OF HAVING TO CREATE A NEW ZONING DISTRICT THROUGH PDS EVERY TIME, UM, YOU COME TO THE CITY, AND, AND AGAIN, TO, TO FOLLOW UP ON, UH, WHAT MR. GOOSE SAID A A LITTLE WHILE AGO, THAT WE, IT'S TWO PROCESSES.
ONE, IT CREATES THOSE OPTIONS, BUT CREATING THOSE OPTIONS DOESN'T REZONE ANY PROPERTY.
BUT WE JUST CREATE THOSE OPTIONS FOR SOMEONE TO SAY, I WOULD LIKE TO REZONE THAT PROPERTY.
SO YOU SAY, THESE ARE THESE OPTIONS THAT MIGHT WORK.
AND THEN IN A SEPARATE PUBLIC PROCESS, A A, A PRIVATE DEVELOPER COULD PROPOSE 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY GONNA PROPOSE TO CHANGE THE ZONING.
IT'S JUST SAYING, HERE ARE SOME OPTIONS THAT MIGHT BE BETTER THAN THE OPTIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY AVAILABLE.
AND ALSO, PIGGY BACK AGAIN, WHAT YOU SAID, THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY IS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE CLEAR PREDICTABILITY AS TO WHAT'S BEING APPLIED IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE MORE OPTIONS, MORE SUITES THAT THEY UNDERSTAND, OKAY, THIS IS THE OPTION THAT'S GONNA FALL IN MY DISTRICT.
THEY'RE MORE UNDERSTANDING OF, OF WHAT'S GONNA TAKE PLACE.
WHEN YOU CREATE A PD, NOT MANY PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO READ A PD DOCUMENT, UM, AND, AND JUST GO INTO THE DETAILS.
AND THAT PROVIDES OR PRESENTS AN OP, UH, AN ISSUE IN TERMS OF PREDICTABILITY FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THE DEVELOPER WHO'S COMING IN WHO HAS TO CREATE IT FROM SCRATCH.
SO THOSE ADDITIONAL, UH, SUITE OF OPTIONS TO HELP BOTH DEVELOPERS AND THE COMMUNITY KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THEIR AREA.
I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH MAKES THE POINT THAT THESE, YOU KNOW, INFILL POTENTIAL INFILL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS WOULD ADD DENSITY INTO EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, ELSEWHERE IN THE DOCUMENT WE REFERENCE, YOU KNOW, DESIGN STANDARDS TO ENSURE COMPATIBILITY.
AND I THINK IT MAY BE IMPORTANT TO, YOU KNOW, LIKEN TWO, ADD A REFERENCE TO DESIGN STANDARDS.
AND IN NUMBER THREE, WE ALREADY SAY APPROPRIATELY SCALED BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, PART OF WHAT THESE INFILL DISTRICTS MAY, MIGHT END UP DOING IS SORT OF MAKING A TRADE OFF.
ON ONE HAND, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WOULD BE ABLE TO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF DENSITY INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD.
ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY NOT GET THE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE IN SOME OF OUR EXISTING DISTRICTS TODAY.
YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE, YOU KNOW, FURTHER HEIGHT LIMITATIONS, THERE MAY BE FURTHER LOT COVERAGE LIMITATIONS THAT ENSURE COMPATIBILITY OF THIS IN INFILL DEVELOPMENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.
YOU KNOW, IT, UH, IT'S A GOOD POINT.
UM, I, I WOULD SAY, UM, WORKING ON THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK AREA PLAN, UM, A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THERE SAID, UM, THAT THEY WEREN'T NECESSARILY AGAINST DUPLEXES, BUT THE TYPES OF DUPLEXES THAT WERE BEING BUILT WEREN'T THE ONES THAT THEY LIKED.
UM, AND SO THEY SAID, OKAY, IF YOU'RE GONNA REZONE PROPERTY TO A DUPLEX, WE WANT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
AND SO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT THEY'VE WORKED ON, UM, PORCHES IN THE FRONT, GARAGES IN THE BACK TWO STORIES AND HEIGHTEN A PITCHED ROOF, ARE THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
THEY SAY, OKAY, IF YOU CAN INCORPORATE THAT INTO A BASE ZONING DISTRICT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE MORE LIKELY TO SAY YES, GO AHEAD AND REZONE THOSE PROPERTIES TO THAT.
SO, UM, I THINK IT'S A GOOD POINT THAT WE CAN ADD TO NUMBER THREE TO, UM, GIVE THOSE, UM, ADDITIONAL ZONING DISTRICTS MORE CONTEXT SENSITIVITY.
I'M GONNA, UH, DIG DOWN A LITTLE BIT, UH, PATRICK INTO SOMETHING YOU SAID.
UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, MY APOLOGIES TO KEEP BRINGING IT DOWN TO THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, AS YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THESE, THESE MAGIC FLYERS THAT WE KEEP SEEING, UH, TEND TO KIND OF GRAB THE LANGUAGE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SPEAK IN A LANGUAGE THAT WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WE UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT AND WE, WHAT REALLY IS THE SUBTEXT THAT IS UNSPOKEN? AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK IT OPENS UP THE DOORS FOR THESE FOLKS TO, TO TAKE WHAT WE DO AND WHAT THIS PLAN IS SAYING AND, AND PLANNING TO DO AND KIND OF DISTORT IT.
UH, SO ITEM NUMBER THREE AGAIN, UH, IS, IS THAT A PARADIGM CHANGE? WHAT, WHAT THAT LANGUAGE IS THERE IS IS THAT, UH, NOT IN FACT WHAT WE DO HERE EVERY TWO WEEKS.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN MAKE THAT STATEMENT, BUT YES.
A A NUMBER OF PRIVATE ZONING APPLICATIONS COME TO CPC EVERY TWO WEEKS WHERE THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO REZONE PROPERTY AND THEY ARE TRYING TO REZONE IT FOR A BASE ZONING DISTRICT THAT DOES NOT EXIST.
SO THEY CREATE A PD TO THEN MATCH WHAT THEY HAVE COME MANY TIMES WITH AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT A TYPE OF HOUSING PRODUCT THEY WOULD LIKE TO, TO CREATE.
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OKAY.SO, SO THEN I WILL STATE, I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU A, A DECADE ON THIS SIDE OF THE HORSESHOE.
I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY BEEN HUNDREDS OF CASES.
EV EVERY PLAN COMMISSIONER THAT I'VE EVER, YOU KNOW, WORKED WITH, HAS HAD A, A CASE WHERE THEY NEEDED, YOU KNOW, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT GOT OVERLY COMPLICATED TO DO, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED, WHAT THE APPLICANT WANTED, AND EVENTUALLY WHAT EIGHT OF US OR MORE AGREED TO DO.
AND ALL NUMBER THREE IS SAYING TO ME IS, HEY, YOU KNOW, WHY DO WE KEEP DOING THIS TO OURSELVES? UH, LET'S CREATE A TOOL.
AND PATRICK, TO WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE, DOES THAT TOOL, IF IT'S CREATED SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE, DOES THAT AUTOMATICALLY CHANGE THE ZONING? NO.
SO IF THIS TOOL IS CREATED, THEY'RE, AND SOMEONE HAS A BASE ZONING, THEY STILL NEED TO FILE AN APPLICATION YES.
THEY STILL NEED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
JUDGE STILL NEED TO HAVE A, A COMMUNITY AND A PUBLIC HEARING HERE AND SOMEHOW GET EIGHT VOTES.
AND THEN IT GOES TO COUNCIL FOR A SECOND BITE AT THE APPLE, AND THEY NEED EIGHT OR MORE VOTES THERE.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I'LL TRY TO USE AN EXAMPLE THAT'S HAPPENED IN MY EXPERIENCE, UM, IN A WAY TO BETTER EXPLAIN WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
SO WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE ASKING FOR, I HATE TO EVEN SAY THIS, A MULTIPLEX OR A MULTIPLEXES ON A CERTAIN PART OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE DEVELOPER AGREES THEY WANT IT, BUT THE ONLY WAY HE CAN DO IT ON THIS ONE LOT IS THROUGH A PD.
WE WANT TO GET AWAY FROM THE MILLIONS OF PDS WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
WE DON'T WANT A PD ON ONE LOT.
UM, SOMETIMES NEIGHBORS GET SUCKED INTO PDS WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE.
UM, UM, YOU HAVE TWO NEIGHBORS SPEAKING FOR ONE NEIGHBORHOOD ON A PD.
A LOT CAN BE MISSING, A LOT CAN BE TAKEN ABACK.
DOES THIS TOOL HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT? YES.
AND, AND I UNDERSTAND I'M YELLING AT YOU ALL, SO I'M GONNA TRY TO SPEAK SOFTER.
UM, TWO QUESTIONS OR A FEW FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.
WHERE DO WE SPEAK ABOUT HOME OWNERSHIP? I ONLY SEE IT IN ITEM FIVE, IS THAT ANYTHING THAT HAS, I KNOW IN PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS IN THE PREVIOUS VERSION FOR DALLAS, IT WAS A STRONG FOCUS ON TR YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOUSING CHOICE, IT'S NOT JUST, UM, THE TYPES OF HOUSING, BUT ALSO THE TYPES OF, WHETHER IT'S RENTAL OR OWNERSHIP OR, AND IT IT SPEAKS TO, YOU KNOW, CO-OPS AND CONDOS.
BUT IT, IS THERE ANYWHERE ELSE WHERE WE, UH, YOU KNOW, HIGHLIGHT THAT, THAT IS AN, A CONSIDERATION FOR US? UH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
SO I THINK EXPLICITLY TALKING ABOUT EITHER OWNING OR RENTING A HOME, WE DON'T HAVE, UH, THAT MANY, UM, REFERENCES, BUT THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S TWO THINGS YOU'RE TOUCHING ON THERE.
UH, WHEN IT COMES TO HOME OWNERSHIP, THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT HELPS WITH COMMUNITIES WHO MAYBE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO OWN A HOME, UH, THAT HELPS WITH WEALTH GENERATION AND JUST BEING ABLE TO STAY IN THE CITY.
UM, ALSO TOO, THERE ARE OTHERS WHO CHOOSE NOT TO OWN A HOME AND ARE ALSO PREFER TO DO, PREFER TO RENT.
SO I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE IDEA BEHIND THAT, ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, OWNING HELPS WITH WEALTH GENERATION, OTHER THINGS, I THINK FROM A MACRO LEVEL, JUST THE CHOICE OF BEING ABLE TO EITHER RENT OR OWN, UM, LIVE IN A, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY OR, UH, A CONDO.
ALL OF THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CHOICE AND ACCESS.
UM, BUT JUST TO KIND OF GO TO YOUR POINT, ARE YOU LOOKING OR ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING TO INCORPORATE MORE OF THAT LANGUAGE OR JUST MORE OF A DISCUSSION FOR THE BODY? BOTH, I THINK.
BUT I KNOW CERTAINLY IN PAST CONVERSATIONS AND GROUPS I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH IT, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A VERY STRONG FOCUS FOR OUR CITY AND UNDERSTANDING THAT HAVING A, A STRONG MIX.
AND THEN I ALSO WILL, YOU KNOW, LOOK BACK TO SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT TALKS ABOUT GENTRIFICATION AND HOW SOME OF OUR OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS ARE BEING PUT AT RISK.
SO FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS AND OWNERS WITHIN OUR CITY ARE BEING DISPLACED.
AND WE SPEAK ABOUT THAT, BUT WE DON'T SPEAK ABOUT HOW, WE'RE TRYING TO THINK ABOUT, UM, HOW WE MIGHT ENCOURAGE, UH, MORE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE.
AND SO I GUESS I'M JUST ASKING, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE MIGHT POTENTIALLY BE MORE LANGUAGE THAT SPEAKS TO THAT, UM, NOTED NOT THAT WOVEN WITHIN THIS SECTION.
THE SECOND, AND THAT'S, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA DIVE INTO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT I THINK THOSE TWO ARE, ARE RELATED.
UM, BUT AS WE'VE BEEN TALKING THROUGH THE ALTERNATIVE
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HOUSING TYPES, INFILL HOUSING TYPES, WHATEVER LANGUAGE WE, WE LAND ON, I DON'T SEE WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE NEED TO ADDRESS, UM, OTHER COMPONENTS OF OUR CODE.AND I'M GONNA USE THE STREETS MANUAL, AND I'M GONNA USE BUILDING CODE AS TWO EXAMPLES.
UM, I THINK COMMISSIONER HERBERT JUST MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THAT, OR, AND I APOLOGIZE IF I GOT THE WRONG COMMISSIONER, BUT YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE SEEING THAT SOME OF THE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT, IT'S NOT THAT A DUPLEX IS, IS NOT DESIRABLE, IT'S THAT THE WAY THAT THEY'RE BEING DEVELOPED IN COMMUNITIES IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THAT CHARACTER, YOU KNOW, AND IT WORKS IN SOME AREAS AND OTHERS IT CAN BE VERY DISRUPTIVE.
AND SOME OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, ARE ALSO LEADING TO BUILDING FORMS THAT ARE PRECLUDING THEM, BEING INTEGRATED WITH COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE WAYS THAT WE WANNA THINK ABOUT IT, BUT WE'RE NOT SPEAKING TO SOME OF THE OTHER COMPONENTS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED THROUGH IT, THAT AREN'T SIMPLY ZONING AND LAND USE.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE IDENTIFYING THAT THOSE WILL ALSO BE NEEDED, UM, MAY BE IMPORTANT.
AND I JUST WANNA KIND OF FURTHER HIGHLIGHT FOR EVERYONE THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I HEAR THE QUESTION ON INFILL, BUT I'M GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT APPLIES TO MANY, MANY AREAS AROUND, UM, THE CITY WHERE THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS DON'T FIT WITH OUR CURRENT CODE.
AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WHERE WE'RE SEEING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO RESOLVE THIS, AND I'M GONNA USE LOT SIZE AS A EXAMPLE, AND, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT WE SOMETIMES HAVE TO ADDRESS, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH DEED, INTERSECTIONS, PDS, WE END UP WITH ZONING THAT WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY, UM, THINK WAS APPROPRIATE TO SOLVE A DIFFERENT PROBLEM, AS OTHERS HAVE SAID.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT LOT AREA QUESTION IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST ONES BECAUSE WE JUST SIMPLY DON'T FIT WITHIN WHAT WE HAD BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF A LOT OF OUR, OUR OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE TRYING TO REDEVELOP.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I, I THINK I TRULY AM STRUGGLING WITH THE WORD INFILL BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT IT REALLY DOES CAPTURE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UM, THINK ABOUT WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS MORE BROADLY.
AND THEN THERE'S TWO PLACES WHERE I SEE INFILL, IT'S ON THREE, AND IT'S ALSO DOWN IN ITEM 12, WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, INTEGRATED HOUSING INFILL POLICY THAT PROVIDES EXPEDITED ZONING AND PERMITTING REVIEW.
AND A AGAIN, I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT AS WE'RE THINKING OF THOSE TWO THINGS TOGETHER, THAT THERE'S A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO IT, AND IS THAT REALLY GETTING US WHERE WE THINK WE WANNA GO? I THINK THE IDEA OF HAVING, UM, YOU KNOW, PRE-VETTED HOUSING, HAVING, UM, PLANS THAT CAN HELP EXPEDITE THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
I THINK IT GIVES EVERYONE PREDICTABILITY IN, IN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, I JUST, I, I'M, I'M, I'M STRUGGLING WITH HOW IN AS A LIMITED FUNCTION THERE.
NO, I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY A GREAT POINT.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH THIS PLAN IS, YOU KNOW, A LAND USE PLAN, UH, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE MENTIONING IS HOW CAN WE BETTER REFERENCE THESE OTHER POLICIES, UH, THAT ARE TACKLING THE ISSUE? SO, UH, UH, HOUSING AFFORDABILITY ISN'T JUST, UM, A, A LAND USE ISSUE.
UH, THERE'S A PLETHORA OF OTHER COMPONENTS.
THERE'S A PLETHORA OF OTHER THINGS THAT OUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE ANALYZING THAT, UH, AS WELL.
SO I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB MAYBE REFERENCING, UM, THOSE ONGOING EFFORTS AND JUST TALK THROUGH THAT COORDINATION.
UM, BUT YOU'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT.
IT'S, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO KIND OF PIN DOWN HOUSING AFFORDABILITY IN ONE KIND OF, OR TWO, UH, SUBJECT LINE ITEMS ON THE LAND USE PLAN.
UH, BUT I THINK THAT THAT NUANCE THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE JUST MENTIONING, WE CAN ADD MORE REFERENCES TO THOSE OTHER DOCUMENTS JUST TO HELP WITH, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE NATURE THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE, UH, TAKEN, UH, WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
YEAH, I JUST WANT TO STEP BACK FOR A SECOND.
I THINK COMMISSIONER HAMPTON'S COMMENTS HIGHLIGHTS SOME, SOME REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUES WITH RESPECT TO OWNERSHIP AND GENTRIFICATION SLASH DISPLACEMENT.
WE DID SPEND QUITE A BIT OF TIME AT, AT CLUB DISCUSSING THE GENTRIFICATION SLASH DISPLACEMENT ISSUE, PROBABLY LESS ON THE, UM, OWNERSHIP, UM, SIDE JUST TO, YOU KNOW, IN MY RECOLLECTION.
UM, BUT ONE THING THAT I JUST WANTED TO GET Y'ALL TO, YOU KNOW, WEIGH IN ON REAL QUICK IS BACK WHEN WE DID FORWARD DALLAS IN 2006, THAT WAS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT INCLUDED A HOUSING PLAN.
BUT SINCE WE ADOPTED 2006, THERE IS NOW A SEPARATE CITY HOUSING POLICY MEANT TO, YOU KNOW, DO YOU KNOW A LOT OF THAT WORK OUTSIDE OF, OF FORWARD DALLAS? SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW STAFF TRIED TO SORT
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OF STRIKE THE BALANCE IN THIS UPDATED COMP PLAN WHEN THERE ALREADY IS A, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL ADOPTED HOUSING POLICY? NO, ANOTHER GREAT QUESTION.SO FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW ABOUT OUR FIRST FOUR DALLAS PLAN, FOUR, FOUR DALLAS 2006, THAT IS A TRUE COMPREHENSIVE, UH, PLAN.
WHEN WE SAY COMPREHENSIVE, IT TOUCHES NOT JUST LAND USE, BUT TRANSPORTATION, HOUSING, UH, URBAN DESIGN, ALL THOSE ELEMENTS, UH, WERE IN THAT PARTICULAR PLAN OR ARE IN THAT PARTICULAR PLAN OVER TIME.
UH, INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS, UH, AND SECTORS UPDATED THOSE SECTIONS BECAUSE THEY HAD MORE, UM, UH, UH, EXPERTISE IN THOSE SECTIONS.
SO GOING BACK TO THE HOUSING, UH, PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED LAST YEAR, UH, THE 20, OUR HOUSING POLICY, 2033 IS WHAT IT'S CALLED.
AND THAT HAS SPECIFIC GOALS, UH, RELATED TO HOW THEY'RE GONNA BE ADDRESSING HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE TIED, UH, OR CONNECTED THE DOTS IN TERMS OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE TO, TO CONNECT WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
SO THERE ARE CERTAIN, UM, ACTION ITEMS ON THAT PLAN THAT SAYS FORD DALLAS SHOULD, UH, COINCIDE WITH LAND USE, UM, POLICY CHANGES TO ALLOW SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR PLAN.
AND SEPARATE AND APART FROM, FROM THIS, UM, DOCUMENT, UM, I KNOW THAT ANTI DISPLACEMENT TOOLKIT CAME UP QUITE A BIT AT, AT CLUB.
I'M NOT ASKING TO, TO GO THROUGH THAT IN LIMITED TIME THAT WE HAVE TODAY, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THIS BODY DID GET AN UPDATE ON THAT FROM, UM, THE, THE RESPONSIBLE FOLKS FOR THAT.
SO WE KIND OF KNOW WHERE IT'S AT AND WE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S COMING THERE.
I CAN DO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT CAN COME LATER ON, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO THE BODY.
COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, I WANT TO ECHO A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON MADE YOU KNOW ABOUT, UH, EMPHASIZING THE, THE NEED FOR, UH, HOME OWNERSHIP.
UH, WHEN, WHEN RESIDENTS OF SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS READ THIS PLAN, THEY FEEL THAT THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE THE TARGET OF THIS PLAN.
AND, AND, AND, UH, ALLOWING ADUS BY RIGHT IN RESIDENTIAL ZONES, UM, UH, THE INFILL DEVELOPMENT THAT THAT'S A TRIGGER WORD FOR ALLOWING MULTIPLEXES IN, IN, IN THE MIDDLE OF A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I, I, I REALLY FEEL THAT WE NEED TO REMOVE THESE TRIGGER TERMS THAT, THAT CAUSE UH, FOLKS WHO LIVE IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS TO HAVE CONCERN ABOUT THIS PLAN IF WE WANT TO GET, GET THEM TO SUPPORT IT.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND, UH, LIKE ON THAT NUMBER THREE THERE, YOU KNOW, INFILL RESIDENTIAL, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, THAT, THAT'S A TERM THAT, UH, THAT THE FOLKS IN THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS OBJECT TO WHEN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IN DESIGNATED AREAS, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT COULD BE CHANGED TO AR IN AREAS THAT ARE CONDUCIVE TO ENHANCED DENSITY.
YOU KNOW, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, WE JUST NEED TO HAVE IN THIS DOCUMENT A STATEMENT THAT, THAT WE ARE NOT TARGETING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
THAT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS ARE THE BACKBONE OF RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES IN DALLAS.
AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I WANT TO SUPPORT THIS PLAN AND I, AND I WANNA GET THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT THIS PLAN, AND I REALIZE THIS PLAN IS GONNA PASS THIS COMMISSION.
THE REAL OPPOSITION'S GONNA BE AT THE CITY COUNCIL LEVEL, BUT FOR ME TO VOTE FOR THIS PLAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU TRY TO CHANGE SOME OF THESE TERMS THAT REALLY DO TARGET SINGLE FAMILY LIVING IN THE, IN, IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
I THINK ONE THING, UH, YOU MENTIONED, AND I THINK EVERYBODY AGREES, IS, UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT, WHEN WE LOOK AT CITY OF DALLAS AND THE HOUSING THAT EXISTS, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT NEW YORK, IT'S NOT DENVER, UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S DALLAS, UH, IT'S, IT'S PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY, AND THAT'S WHY PEOPLE COME HERE.
UM, BUT WHAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALSO HEARING IS THAT PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO EVEN BUY ANYMORE.
UM, SO WHAT THEY WANT IN THE CITY, THEY CAN'T EVEN GET, UH, SO THEY'RE NOT EVEN THINKING ABOUT OWNING A HOME ANYMORE.
SO THE, THE TREND NOW IS ACTUALLY JUST, CAN I RENT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? SO THE, THE OWNERSHIP QUESTION IS OUT THE WINDOW FOR A LOT OF, UH, PROSPECTIVE, UH, RESIDENTS IN THE CITY.
SO THOSE WHO ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE CITY ALREADY HAVE ONE.
I THINK WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO CHANGE THAT ENVIRONMENT.
THERE'S A LOT, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WANTING TO COME TO THE CITY THAT HAVE ACTUALLY STARTED TO JUST THROW OUT THE IDEA OF EVEN OWNING A HOME.
IT'S ABOUT, CAN I RENT A HOME NOW? SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE NEW TREND.
SO AS WE ARE LOOKING TO STILL BUILD UPON WHAT, UH, DALLAS IS, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAN, THERE'S A LOT OF THAT HAPPENING.
WE WANT PEOPLE TO STILL BE ABLE TO ATTAIN THAT, BUT IT'S GONNA HAVE TO LOOK DIFFERENT.
HOW DOES THAT, HOW DO WE PLAY WITH THE LAND USE TO PROVIDE MORE OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE TO STILL GET WHAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT, UM, UNDER THE CURRENT CLIMATE? SO THAT'S KIND
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OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO, TO DO, IS HOW DO WE PROVIDE MORE OPTIONS, MORE TOOLS FOR PEOPLE TO STILL COME TO DALLAS FOR WHY THEY WANNA COME TO DALLAS? BECAUSE CURRENTLY THEY CAN'T DO THAT.DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT, UH, ADDING DENSITY IN, IN OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS IS GONNA REDUCE, UH, HOUSING COST INCREASE IN AFFORDABILITY? UM, I DID NOT SAY THAT.
I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY THAT.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS ADD MORE OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE TO OWN OR RENT IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.
UM, WHILE I DO AGREE THAT WE SHOULD PROTECT EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, I ALSO AGREE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE MORE HOUSING CHOICE OPTIONS.
AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE LARGE SWATHS OF THIS CITY WHERE PEOPLE CHOOSE TO LIVE IN MORE DENSE AREAS.
THEY WANT TO BE IN MORE DENSE AREAS.
A HUGE CHUNK OF MY DISTRICT IS, UH, PLACES WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN MORE DENSE AREAS.
THEY WANNA LIVE IN, UM, ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY, OR EVEN MORE DENSE THAN THAT.
SO PRETENDING LIKE SINGLE FAMILY IS THE ONLY WAY THAT PEOPLE ARE HAPPY IS, UM, AT, AT BEST MYOPIC, AND IT'S NOT REFLECTIVE OF THE CURRENT ECONOMIC REALITIES THAT WE FACE A A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
THE, THE MEDIAN PRICE FOR DALLAS IS ABOUT $400,000, AND YOU HAVE TO BE MAKING OVER $120,000 TO EVEN HOPE TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THAT.
AND THAT PRICE JUST KEEPS GOING UP.
YOU KNOW, DALLAS IS IN THE TOP 20 OF, UH, CITIES IN THE COUNTRY FOR HOUSING COSTS, AND THAT NUMBER KEEPS GOING UP.
SO, AND WHILE OUR RENTS DID GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THAT TREND HAS BEEN A NUMBER THAT KEEPS GOING UP.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA BE REALISTIC ABOUT HOUSING COSTS, THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE DIFFERENT HOUSING CHOICES.
THAT IS NOT TO SAY WE SHOULD ATTACK THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT IT IS TO SAY THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SINGLE FAMILY COMMUNITIES IN THE FUTURE, THEN THEY MIGHT NEED TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THIS PLAN NEEDS TO REFLECT.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HEALTHRIGHT.
UM, I THINK THE BRIEFING TODAY'S BEEN HELPFUL TO ME.
UH, I APPRECIATE THE POINTS BROUGHT UP ABOUT DESIGN STANDARDS AND ABOUT THE HOUSING POLICY FOR THE CITY OUTSIDE OF, FOR DALLAS, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S HELPFUL.
BUT, UM, YEAH, I, I, I SUPPORT LEAVING LANGUAGE ABOUT INFILL DEVELOPMENT IN, WE, WE'VE SPENT AN, AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TIME ON THIS COMMISSION THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WITH APPLICANTS TRYING TO DO INFILL DEVELOPMENT.
AND OUR CODE JUST DOES NOT MAKE THAT EASY AT ALL.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF LAND IN OUR CITY SITTING IDLE, AND, UH, IN PART BECAUSE OF THE, THE, THE, THE OUTDATED NATURE OF OUR, OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE AND OUR ZONING, UM, I'LL TELL YOU IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, SIX OR EIGHT LOTS DOWN FROM MY HOUSE, THERE IS A LOT THAT HAS BEEN VACANT FOR OVER 40 YEARS AND WILL STAY VACANT ANOTHER 40 YEARS.
IF WE DON'T FIGURE OUT SOME BETTER WAY TO, UH, ALLOW FOR INFILL DEVELOPMENT, UM, ON THAT PARTICULAR LOT, I WOULD BE PERFECTLY HAPPY TO SEE A DUPLEX ON THAT RATHER THAN A VACANT LOT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, UM, I THINK WE ARE GENERALLY ON, ON THE RIGHT TRACK AND HOPE WE CAN STAY THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, I'M LOOKING AT YOU, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, GENTLEMEN, LET'S TALK ABOUT, UH, MOVING FORWARD.
ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE ONE MORE SECTION, UH, THAT'S URBAN DESIGN SECTION AND THAT PROBABLY, I THINK WE COVERED A LOT OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, HOUSING IN THAT PARTICULAR SECTION.
SO JUST ANY, UH, COMMENTS REGARDING THE COMMUNITY AND URBAN DESIGN IMPLEMENTATION TABLE? I KNOW WE TALKED, TOUCHED ON THE IMPORTANCE OF DESIGN, UH, YOU KNOW, CITYWIDE TO HELP ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE NOW, WHERE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A DEVELOPER COMES IN AND PUTS A DEVELOPMENT OR A PROP, UH, UH, HOUSING UNIT, UM, IN A PARTICULAR EXISTING RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO, TO TO MESH.
SO I THINK SOME OF THE, THE GENERAL THEMES HERE IS KIND OF ADDRESSING THAT CITYWIDE TO HELP, UM, ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE INCOMPATIBLE, UH, DESIGN STANDARDS MOVING FORWARD.
WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE ONE, UH, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, PDS AND OTHER TOOLS OR WHAT WE ARE USING TO KIND OF HELP STITCH
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THAT TOGETHER.BUT IN, IN, IN GENERAL, I THINK WHAT THIS THEME IS TOUCHING ON IS THE COMPREHENSIVE NATURE OF HAVING TO ATTACK, UM, ADDRESS, EXCUSE ME, UM, URBAN DESIGN AND HOW THINGS ARE DESIGNED IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
SO I JUST A COMMENT, I THINK THIS, THIS SECTION IS ONE OF THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT SECTIONS OF THE PLAN AND HELP STOP WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE ELM THICKET AREAS AND AREAS AROUND THE CITY.
I DO THINK THAT, UM, THIS ALSO HAS TO BE CONSIDERED IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH ADUS, RIGHT? HAVING THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS SPECIFIC TO IT.
UM, IT'S ALSO VERY IMPORTANT THAT CONTEXT, THAT CONTEXT SENSITIVE DESIGN, UM, THE CITIES WHO HAVE DONE IT HAVE DESIGNS AVAILABLE FOR THEIR RESIDENCES AND, AND SO ON.
AND I, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT WILL TAKE TIME FOR THE CITY TO COME UP WITH AND IT SHOULD BE CAREFULLY PLANNED OUT AND THOUGHT ABOUT.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT THAT I THINK THIS IS A GOOD SECTION, UM, THAT, THAT NEEDS A LOT OF ATTENTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER? WE'LL KEEP GOING.
UH, SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS END OUR CONVERSATION AND TALK ABOUT, UH, THE SCHEDULING AND, AND NEXT STEPS MOVING FORWARD WITH FORD DALLAS.
UH, SO TODAY, JUST TO CONFIRM, THIS IS THE KINDA LAST INPUT THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH YOU ALL, UH, REGARDING JUST HAVING A CONVERSATION OF WHAT, WHAT THE PLAN SHOULD SAY.
UH, WHAT STAFF'S GONNA DO NOW IS START TO COMPILE ALL THAT FEEDBACK.
I WANT TO PRESENT THOSE, THOSE SUGGESTIONS BACK TO YOU ALL IN THE FUTURE MEETING.
UH, SO WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, UH, SOME POTENTIAL OPTIONS FOR MEETING, AND I'M GONNA SHARE MY SCREEN.
UH, YOU ALL ALSO HAVE THIS ON YOUR DESKS.
SO, UH, TO DATE, UH, WE'VE HAD A FEW WORKSHOPS.
UH, WE'VE HAD, UH, ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS WITH E EACH OF YOU ALL AT OUR OFFICES TALKING THROUGH THE MAP, TALKING THROUGH THE PLAN DOCUMENT AND UPDATES.
WE JUST CONCLUDED OUR HOUSING AND URBAN DESIGN DISCUSSION.
UH, NEXT THURSDAY WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, AND DURING THAT PUBLIC HEARING, WE'RE GONNA BE ALSO, UM, HEARING FROM THE, THE COMMUNITY ABOUT JUST THEIR, THEIR THOUGHTS ON THE PLAN.
UH, WHAT, WHAT STAFF WOULD LIKE TO DO IS ALSO HAVE A, A BRIEF, UH, PRESENTATION, JUST TALKING THROUGH SOME OF THE DISCUSSION ITEMS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DURING THE LAST TWO MONTHS.
AND ON MAY 16TH WE HAVE, UM, ANOTHER, UH, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE A REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING.
UH, WE CAN THEN START TO PRESENT THOSE SUGGESTIONS TO YOU ALL TO HELP US DETERMINE WHICH WAY TO GO ON THE PLAN DOCUMENT UPDATE.
SO TO DATE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD COMMENTS FROM ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER SIDE OF A PARTICULAR ISSUE.
YOU WANNA PRESENT THOSE, UH, CONSIDERATIONS TO YOU ALL AND YOU ALL WOULD MAKE A, PROVIDE, UH, GUIDANCE FOR STAFF TO THEN CREATE UPDATES TO THE PLAN.
SO, UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON THIS PARTICULAR SCHEDULE, AND WE CAN TALK THROUGH, UM, ANY OTHER DATES ON HERE IS NEXT, UM, NEXT WEEK DURING THE BRIEFING, UH, DURING THE HEARING, WE WOULD HAVE A QUICK BRIEF JUST TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH IN GENERALITIES, UH, THE DISCUSSION ITEMS. UM, THEN ON MAY, UH, 16TH, UH, THAT'S A REGULARLY SCHEDULED CPC MEETING.
UH, WE WILL THEN COME TO YOU ALL WITH ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HEARD SO FAR AND HAVE YOU ALL JUST HELP US PROVIDE THE DIRECTION ON WHICH WAY TO GO.
UH, WHAT WE DID WITH K CLUB, THE, THE PREVIOUS, UM, BODY WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
WE ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH THE DOCUMENT PAGE BY PAGE AND THEY MADE A DETERMINATION WHICH WAY TO GO RIGHT THEN AND THERE.
UH, SINCE WE DIDN'T DO THAT WITH THIS BODY, WE'RE GONNA BE COMING BACK TO YOU ALL WITH, UM, ALL THOSE UPDATES AND YOU ALL WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT FEEDBACK FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, EACH VERSION OF THIS DOCUMENT IS INITIATED BY THE BODIES THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING.
SO THIS WOULD BE THE CPC VERSION.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THAT DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL BEFORE WE MAKE ANY EDITS, UH, TO THE DOCUMENT.
SO WE'RE GONNA COME BEFORE YOU ALL MAY 16TH, UM, WITH ALL THE, ALL THE SUGGESTED EDITS AND HAVE YOU ALL PROVIDE US GUIDANCE ON WHICH WAY TO GO ON THAT.
COMMISSIONERS, UH, QUESTIONS ON THE TIMELINE.
UH, NOW IS THE TIME COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU, YOU HAVE ANY EDITS, ANY AMENDMENTS, ANY PROPOSED LANGUAGE, PLEASE GET THOSE INTO STAFF.
UH, AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS, COMMISSIONERS.
SO THE, THE WAY THAT WE'RE ORGANIZED IS THE LANGUAGE FROM, FROM THIS BODY WILL GET TO YOU.
YOU WILL ARRANGE IT INCLUDED IN YOUR, YOUR DRAFT HERE WITH MAYBE SOME BOX ITEMS, AND WE WILL HAVE THAT ON THE 16TH, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
WHAT, WHAT WE COULD DO, UH, IS THEN POSSIBLY HAVE A, A SPECIALLY CALLED HEARING ON THE 30TH WHERE WE GO THROUGH IT, UH, AND, UH, KIND OF TALK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. COMMISSIONER
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KINGSTON.UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING INTO GRADUATION, WEDDINGS, SUMMER VACATION, AND I MEAN, I KNOW THAT I'M GONNA BE OUTTA TOWN AND I'M WOULD LIKE TO BE PARTICIPATING IN THESE AND TWO WEEKS NOTICE OR MONTHS NOTICE IS JUST, I MEAN, I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE TIME, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT STAFF IS ON RAILS TO GET THIS TO COUNCIL BEFORE THE BREAK, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY REVIEW IT AND, AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON IT.
AND I THINK THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN GETTING THIS TO COUNCIL BEFORE THE BREAK.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I DEFINITELY AGREE THAT A SPECIAL, ANOTHER SPECIAL CALL MEETING IS GOING TO BE, UH, NEEDED TO GO THROUGH ALL THESE EDITS.
I KNOW WHAT TODAY WE HAVE AN EXTREMELY LONG DOCKET AND WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON FORWARD DALLAS AND, AND THE 16TH.
I, I DON'T, I, I HAVE NOT, OF COURSE, SEEN THE DOCKET FOR THE 16TH, BUT I EXPECT THAT IT WILL BE LONG AS MOST OF OURS ARE.
AND TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING AS COMPREHENSIVE AS GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE INPUT, SUGGESTION AND EDIT JUST SEEMS TO ME TO BE EXTREMELY UNREALISTIC.
I, I, I'M OPEN TO, UH, WHAT DATE WE HAVE A, A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING, AND I'M SENSITIVE TO COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S CONCERNS.
UM, BUT I, I REALLY THINK IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAT WE, UM, VET THIS THOROUGHLY.
THEN WE TRY TO MEET UP, UM, AN ACCELERATED DEADLINE.
UM, SO, UH, IN TERMS OF HOW WE PROPOSE THOSE UPDATES TO YOU WHEN WE HAVE OUR BRIEFING, UM, WHAT WE WANNA DO TOO IS MAKE SURE WE'RE PRETTY SUCCINCT IN TERMS OF THE, THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE GETTING.
SO THERE, THERE'S SOME DISCUSSIONS WHERE GENERALLY I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.
WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO PROPOSE THAT AND SAY, UH, THIS IS A SUGGESTION, SHOULD WE MOVE FORWARD? AND THAT SHOULD COVER, UH, SEVERAL, UM, YOU KNOW, PAGES OR OPTIONS.
BUT ALSO THERE'S SOME THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S EITHER THIS WAY OR THIS WAY.
WE GOTTA PROPOSE THAT TO YOU TOO AS WELL.
SO WHAT WE WANNA DO IS CREATE A PRESENTATION THAT WOULD HAVE THOSE CHANGES INSTEAD OF GOING TO EACH PAGE, UH, GOING THROUGH WHAT WE, WHERE WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD GO.
UH, THERE MIGHT BE SOME DISCRETION BASED ON, UH, YOUR FEEDBACK IN TERMS OF HOW STAFF ADDRESSES THOSE, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE PROPOSE TO THOSE, TO YOU ALL IN A SUCCINCT FASHION.
AND THEN WE GO FORWARD AND, UH, MAKE THE UPDATES OF THE DOCUMENT.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, IF I COULD FOLLOW UP, IT WOULD JUST BE EXTREMELY HELPFUL IF WE COULD GET WHATEVER YOU'RE PLANNING TO PRESENT TO US BEFORE THE NIGHT BEFORE.
I MEAN, IT, IT JUST DOES NOT WORK TO, TO TRY TO GET PREPARED FOR ONE OF THESE HEARING DAYS AND ALL THE CASES ON THE DOCKET AND ALL THE LAST WEEK SWIRLING AROUND TO TRY TO ABSORB, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT EDITS ON SOMETHING THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
A HUNDRED PERCENT EXCELLENT POINT.
AND, AND AGAIN, THIS IS WHY, YOU KNOW, WE NEED THE COMMENTS IN FROM THE, FROM THE BODY.
HOPEFULLY MOST OF THAT WILL BE INCLUDED ON THE 16TH, CORRECT.
AND THEN POSSIBLY A TENTATIVE DEADLOCK BY THE 23RD.
AND IF WE DO HAVE A SPECIALLY CALLED HEARING ON THE 30TH, THEN WE HAD A, A WEEK WITH THE DOCUMENT TO GO THROUGH, UH, AND, AND SEE WHAT WOULD NEED TO BE DISCUSSED.
I, I SUSPECT THAT, UH, ALTHOUGH THERE'LL BE LOTS OF ITEMS, WE'LL PROBABLY DISAGREE ON A HANDFUL, RIGHT? SO, SORRY, JUST KIND OF GO BACK, WHAT'S, WHAT'S ON THE, WHAT'S ON THE CALENDAR, WHAT I'M HEARING TOO.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY JUST WE'RE THINKING OF JUST GOING TO THAT, THAT JUNE 6TH.
UM, IT'S REGULARLY CALLED REGULARLY, UH, SCHEDULED MEETING.
UH, IF WE, YOU KNOW, WERE SUGGESTING TALKING THROUGH, GOING ONE WEEK EARLIER, UM, YES, WE CAN STILL PROVIDE THAT TO YOU ALL, UH, IN THAT TIME.
BUT WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE THOSE COMMENTS, UH, IF WE CHOOSE TO GO WITH MAY 30TH, UH, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
COMMISSIONER SHENA? YEAH, I'M, I'M IN FAVOR, ACTUALLY, OF THE DOING SOMETHING ON THE 30TH.
AND IN GENERAL, I'M, I'M ACTUALLY KIND OF SURPRISED AT HOW LONG THIS IS, IS TAKING, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT AN ENTIRE NOTHER MONTH TO WORK ON THIS.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR NOW, WELL OVER A MONTH.
UM, MY CONCERN IS JUST MORE IN A MACRO COMMENTS, IS THAT THE CITY IS, HAS GOT A REPUTATION FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO PROCESS AND DO THEIR BUSINESS IN A TIMELY MANNER.
AND TO THE EXTENT THAT WE COULD BE PART OF THE SOLUTION, NOT THE PROBLEM TO THAT, I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF MOVING THIS FORWARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE FIRST QUESTION THAT I I ASK IS LIKE, HAVE WE GIVEN THE, THE PUBLIC ENOUGH TIME TO DIGEST THIS AND KNOWING THAT THEY'VE GOT ONE? I THINK THE UNEQUIVOCALLY YES TO THAT.
UH, AND KNOWING THAT THERE'S ANOTHER MONTH ON TOP OF THIS, KNOWING THAT WE'RE JUST, UH, MAKING A RECOMMENDATION, AND IT'S GONNA TAKE SEVERAL MONTHS BEYOND THAT WHERE THE PUBLIC WILL STILL BE ENGAGED IN PROVIDING FEEDBACK AND KNOWING THAT WHENEVER YOU HAVE A LARGE, AN AUTHORIZED HEARING OR SOMETHING OF THIS
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MAGNITUDE, INEVITABLY THE WEEK BEFORE COUNCIL VOTES ON THIS, THERE ARE GOING TO BE A TON OF PEOPLE THAT COME OUT AND SAY, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, WHAT'S GOING ON? I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS.WHY DIDN'T I HAVE ENOUGH TIME? THAT IS GONNA HAPPEN NO MATTER WHAT.
AND SO, I, I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF, OF TIME IN THIS MONTH FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GET THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.
AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE THE PUBLIC PROCESS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DELAY THIS FOR, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE GONE THROUGH MORE THAN ADEQUATELY GIVEN THE PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, GIVE FEEDBACK.
MR.
UM, I DO THINK IF WE GET AN UPDATED DRAFT DOCUMENT ON THE 30TH, CONSIDERING THE LENGTH, AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE QUANTITY OF THE EDITS, MAYBE TWO WEEKS BEFORE OUR FIRST MEETING TO WORK ON IT, WOULD BE BETTER THAN ONE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS A CHANCE TO FULLY DIGEST IT.
ON THE OTHER HAND, KNOWING HOW THESE THINGS SORT OF WORK, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE REALLY MEATY, YOU KNOW, CODE OR, OR POLICY ISSUES, SOMETIMES THEY DO END UP, YOU KNOW, STRETCHING ACROSS MULTIPLE MEETINGS.
I'D LOVE TO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT, AND I'M SURE WE'D ALL BE HAPPY IN MANY WAYS TO GET THIS ONTO COUNCIL ON JUNE 6TH, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, BOUND TO HAPPEN.
SO CONSIDERING THAT IT MAY, I THINK THERE'S A REASONABLE CHANCE THAT IT DOESN'T GET THROUGH ON MAY 6TH, I, OR ON JUNE 6TH, I DO WONDER IF KICKING IT OFF ON JUNE 6TH AS OPPOSED TO THE 30TH MAY BE THE, THE BETTER OPTION HERE.
COMMISSIONER HALL, MR. CHAIR, UH, COMMISSIONER HALL, FOLLOW BY.
UH, WHATEVER DATE, I, I WOULD REQUEST THAT I PERSONALLY DO NOT LIKE EDITING DOCUMENTS ON, ON A SCREEN.
I, WHATEVER WE DO, PLEASE TRY TO GET US A HARD COPY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, UH, IN PLENTY OF TIME FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SIT DOWN AND, AND REVIEW IT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
SO JUST THE, FOR THOSE WHO DIDN'T HERE, JUST BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE THE DOCUMENTATION, UM, TO THE BODY AND TO THE PUBLIC, UM, IN A, IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ALSO CLARIFY.
SO AS WE COME BEFORE THIS BODY, WE TALK THROUGH WHICH WAY TO GO.
UM, AFTER WE GET THAT FEEDBACK, THEN WE'RE GONNA UPDATE THE DOCUMENT BASED ON THAT DIRECTION.
SO AFTER YOU GET THE, THE SUGGESTED EDITS THAT YOU ALL SET TO ADD TO THE DOCUMENT, WE WILL THEN GO FORWARD, UPDATE THE DOCUMENT, AND THEN PRODUCE A VERSION FOR YOU ALL TO REVIEW BEFORE THAT LAST PUBLIC HEARING, JUNE 6TH, MAY 30TH, WHATEVER WE DECIDE.
UM, BUT THAT WILL BE SENT TO YOU ALL IN ADVANCE TO BE ABLE, JUST TO SEE HOW THAT THOSE EDITS WERE APPLIED, UH, ON THE, ON THE DOCUMENTATION THAT WOULD BE RECOMMENDED.
UH, JUST ONE QUICK LITTLE COMMENT.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, BEFORE I GO TO YOU, JUST, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE, JUST, YOU KNOW, FYI, JUNE 6TH IS OUR, IS OUR REGULAR SCHEDULED CPC HEARING.
AND SO JUST IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, LOGISTICS, UH, I DON'T SEE HOW WE GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENT ON A DAY THAT WE ALSO HAVE A, A FULL DOC.
I, I DON'T SEE, IT'S GONNA BE IMPOSSIBLE, FRANKLY.
UH, SO, UH, I THINK IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE ESPECIALLY CALLED HEARING EITHER BEFORE OR AFTER THAT DATE.
UH, I DON'T SEE IT HAPPENING ON THE SIXTH, FRANKLY.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, I AM WHISPERING.
I JUST WANNA, UM, MY REQUEST IS IF WHEN THE DOCUMENT COMES OUT, IF WE CAN HAVE THE FULL DOCUMENT AND THE APPENDIXES SO THAT WE'RE SEEING EVERYTHING TOGETHER, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S FOR ME, YES, MA'AM.
AND ALSO JUST WANT TO, AND I, SIMILAR TO COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, HAVE MADE PLANS AROUND OUR SCHEDULE, SO, UM, CERTAINLY WANNA BE PART OF THIS, UM, DISCUSSION.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, UM, FOR OUR CITY, FOR ALL OF US.
I THINK WE'RE ALL COMMITTED TO THAT, BUT THE SOONER WE CAN SET THESE DATES, I THINK THE EASIER IT WILL BE FOR, TO CONTINUE TO MANAGE OUR OTHER COMMITMENTS THAT WE HAVE.
COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT? PARDON ME, COMMISSIONER? YEAH, I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO SORT OF AFFIRM WHAT COMMISSIONER CHERNOCK SAID.
I JUST THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THIS MOVING AND IF WE, YOU KNOW, A MONTH OR TWO FROM NOW, IT'S NOT GONNA BE ANY EASIER OR, OR ANY, ANY MORE COMPLETE, I DON'T THINK.
AND THEN, UM, I DO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER, UH, CARPENTER WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
WE'VE GOTTA GET THIS STUFF EARLIER.
UM, YEAH, THE, THE EMAIL LAST NIGHT WAS NOT HELPFUL.
AND SO, UM, IF WE CAN SEE THIS STUFF IN ADVANCE, THEN
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I THINK WE CAN GET MORE DONE AT THESE MEETINGS.AND, AND I'M, I'M PREPARED TO DO WHATEVER MEETINGS WE NEED TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND THE SIXTH, UM, NOTWITHSTANDING THE COMMENT CHAIR MADE ABOUT OUR DOCKET ON THE SIXTH, BUT THAT'S TRUE, RUBEN.
UM, I, I CERTAINLY AM NOT SUGGESTING A DELAY OF, OF TWO MONTHS, OR EVEN NECESSARILY A MONTH.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S THE 30TH VERSUS THE SIXTH.
IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A DIFFERENCE.
THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK ABOUT IS, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE ANSWER TO THIS WOULD BE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF FOLKS, YOU KNOW, I KNOW FOLKS PROBABLY HAVE TRAVEL AS WELL, BUT MAYBE ALSO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF A SATURDAY OR SUNDAY, ESPECIALLY CALL MEETING AS OPPOSED TO A WEEKDAY, ESPECIALLY CALLED MEETING BOTH, YOU KNOW, TO SEE IF THAT MIGHT WORK BETTER FOR THE COMMISSIONER'S SCHEDULES.
AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY, YOU KNOW, ALLOW A BETTER OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT IF, IF THERE'S A WEEKEND MEETING, NOT, NOT SAYING IT HAS TO HAPPEN, BUT SOMETHING THAT DEFINITELY SHOULD BE DISCUSSED.
UH, WE HAVE THE EIGHTH, NINTH, OR 11TH OF JUNE, CORRECT? I, I THINK NINTH IS A SUNDAY.
WE COULD HAVE TO DO A A IF IT'S A WEEKEND THAT, UH, THAT WORKS BEST FOR EVERYONE, WE COULD DO EIGHTH, NINTH, OR WE COULD DO 11TH, 12TH, I THINK 13TH.
I, I'VE RECEIVED SOME FEEDBACK.
11 OR 12, BUT ALSO, NO, WE, NO, WE CAN'T
UH, YEAH, MY BABY WANTS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I WAS GOING TO, UH, SUGGEST, UH, OR KIND OF SECOND WHAT YOUR, YOUR IDEA OF HAVING THIS ON A WEEKEND DAY AS OPPOSED TO DURING THE WEEK.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THIS COMMISSION, BUT I'M HAVING TO TAKE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, PTO DAYS TO BE ABLE TO ATTEND THESE COMMISSION MEETINGS AND, UH, AND, AND, AND ANY MORE, YOU KNOW, MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE THAT AREN'T REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETINGS ARE, IS JUST GONNA BE, UH, EVEN MORE TAXING ON MY ABILITY TO DO MY JOB.
UH, SO I, I WOULD APPRECIATE CONSIDERATION IN TRYING TO DO THIS, UH, MEETING, UH, ON A WEEKEND DAY AND HAVING SEVERAL HOURS, UH, DEVOTED TO THE MEETING AND NOT TRYING TO FIT IT INTO ONE HOUR.
THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE GONNA REVIEW EVERYTHING IN ONE HOUR.
UH, I KNOW COMMISSIONER HERBERT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A SENSITIVE SUBJECT ON THAT SIDE OF THE HORSES.
ANY FEE? YES, COMMISSIONER? SURE.
NOT, UH, I'LL, I'LL PUT A VOTE FOR THE EIGHTH AND, AND I CAN MAKE THE 11TH WORK TOO.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I'M LEANING TOWARDS THE 11TH.
I THINK WE OUGHT TO WAIT TILL THE 11TH, BUT AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, BEFORE WE, UH, HAVE OUR FINAL DISCUSSION ON THESE CHANGES, ANY, ANY COMMENTS WE TAKE IT TO, UM, COMMISSIONER FOR SIX MONTHS CLIMATE? I MEAN, AND I'M SORRY, KINGSTON'S, WE DON'T HAVE TO PLAN AROUND.
WE CAN GO, UH, YEAH, LET'S, WE'LL HAVE IT REMOTE.
WE'RE GONNA GO TO HAWAII COMMISSION AND HAVE THIS DISCUSSION THERE.
UH, BUT I'LL, YOU KNOW, I CAN DO THE EIGHTH.
I, I WOULD PREFER DOING IT ON A SATURDAY THAN A SUNDAY, AND I DEFINITELY WANT MY WEEKDAYS BECAUSE WE'VE EATEN UP A WHOLE LOT OF THEM.
UH, NINE TO FOUR, NINE TO TWO, NINE TO WHENEVER.
COULD WE, AND JUST TO CLARIFY FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, SO, UH, ESPECIALLY CALLED MEETING SATURDAY JUNE 8TH, THIS WOULD BE, UH, A POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL, UM, AND PUBLIC WOULD ALSO BE INVITED TO THIS.
SO I JUST WANT TO THINK, WHAT'S THAT? JUST TO, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT, UH, IT'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THIS WOULD BE RECOMMENDED DURING A ESPECIALLY CALLED MEETING ON A SATURDAY.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL OKAY WITH THAT.
THAT COMMISSIONER PLAYER, CAN YOU REPEAT THE TIME THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IT WOULD BE
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9:00 AM TO WHEN WE GET DONE, WE START, CAN WE START IT A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE DAY? I MEAN, THAT FIRST, THAT MORNING IS AT THE LSAT IN THE MORNING.SO COULD WE DO THE MEETING ON AFTERNOON? OH, YOU, YEAH.
I REMOTE'S NOT REALLY POSSIBLE.
I JUST, UM, I'VE GOT TRAVEL SCHEDULED THAT WEEKEND, SO I WON'T BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE AT ALL.
WHAT ABOUT THE, WHAT ABOUT THE 15, 22ND OR 23RD? I KNOW OF QUITE A FEW PEOPLE HAVE CONSTRAINTS.
JUNE, THAT'S, IT WORKS FOR ME.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE 30TH? OKAY.
WE HAVE JUNE 17 COMMISSIONERS MONDAY, 9:00 AM GOING ONCE WHAT, MONDAY? YEAH, I HAVE LOTS OF FOLKS TRAVELING.
ANYONE HAVE JUNE 17TH CONFLICTS THAT WANTS TO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GIVING EVERYONE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, AMONGST OTHER OPTIONS? I MEAN, IT GOT NUKED THE SATURDAY GOT, UH, WE HAVE A GENTLEMAN TICKING THE NAIL SET, SO I WHAT ABOUT THE 15TH OR THE 22ND? HOW MANY ARE THOSE DATES? I THINK WE HAVE TWO FOLKS TRAVELING ON THE, THOSE WEEKENDS.
I KNOW COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT IS USUALLY GONE ON THE WEEKEND.
UM, UH, MY APOLOGIES, COMMISSIONER.
I KNOW, I KNOW IT HURTS, BUT, UH, UH, I'D LIKE TO KEEP THIS THING MOVING.
I'VE BEEN REQUIRED, OH, MY APOLOGIES.
UH, GEORGE COMMISSIONER WHEELER'S TRYING TO GET ONLINE.
SHE'S TRYING TO BECOME A PANELIST COMMISSIONER.
SHE ARE, WE'RE COMMITTED TO DOING IT AFTER JUNE 6TH.
OR IS IT LIKE, WHAT ABOUT THE WEEK? LAST WEEK OF MAY? LIKE, OH, SO WE HAVE PEOPLE TRAVELING THAT YOU'RE, YOU TWO ARE GOING, OKAY.
YEAH, I THINK THE, THE CLOSER WE PUT THE DATE, THE MORE, THE MORE DIFFICULT IT GETS.
WE'LL MAKE IT WORK NINE TO WHENEVER, TWO, THREE O'CLOCK.
WHENEVER WE GET, WE GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENT ON THE 17TH.
AND WE CAN CONFIRM AND CHECK WITH OUR TEAM TO SEE JUST WHAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE, UM, FROM STAFF'S FIRST, UH, I GUESS POINT OF VIEW TOO, IF JUNE 17TH IS THAT DATE THAT WE LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT, UH, WE WILL, UH, COMMIT TO HAVE THAT DOCUMENT TWO WEEKS IN ADVANCE, JUNE 3RD, I BELIEVE.
UM, AND THEN BEFORE THAT, WE WOULD HAVE DISCUSSIONS IN TERMS OF WHICH DIRECTION TO GO ON ON THAT DOCUMENT.
SO JUNE 3RD WOULD BE WHEN WE WOULD, UH, PRODUCE A DOCUMENT, UM, AT THE, AT THE LATEST.
THAT TRUE RUBEN, I WANNA FOLLOW UP ON THAT BECAUSE THIS DRAFT SAYS THAT IF WE HAVE OUR, PROVIDE THAT, YOU KNOW, INITIAL FEEDBACK ON THE FEW CRITICAL ITEMS ON THE 16TH, THAT WE WOULD GET A DRAFT BY MAY 23RD.
SO WANT WHAT WE WANT TO DO ON THE, ON THE NINTH AND ON THE 16TH, WE WANNA HAVE BASICALLY A, A, A BRIEFING, UH, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE EDITING.
SO WE'RE STARTING TO KIND OF DEVELOP THE DOCUMENT, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT COMPLETE.
UH, SO BASED ON THAT, WE COULD STILL HAVE IT, UH, END OF THE MONTH.
UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, AT LEAST KIND OF WORST CASE SCENARIO, JUNE 3RD WOULD BE WHEN YOU AT LEAST GET IT.
WE CAN BE DONE BEFORE THEN TOO, AS WELL.
I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO JUST GIVE THE BODY, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH TIME WITH THE DOCUMENT AS POSSIBLE IS, I MEAN, IF WE COULD SHOOT FOR THAT MAY 23RD, I THINK THAT WOULD BE IDEAL.
THAT GIVES US NEARLY A MONTH TO FULLY DIGEST IT.
SO THEN WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, HAVING ANY CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING A DOCUMENT WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, SUFFICIENT TIME FOR EVERY MEMBER OF THIS BODY AND THE PUBLIC TO FULLY DIGEST IT.
WE'RE SET COMMISSIONERS, UH, 17TH
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9:00 AM LUNCH.AND, UH, HOPEFULLY GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENT THEN AND, UM, KIND OF KNOW WHERE WE STAND.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GENTLEMEN.
IS IS THE PLAN, IS THE PLAN TO VOTE ON THE, THE, THE PLAN ON THAT SAME DAY? I DO NOT THINK SO, NO.
NO, I THINK, UH, PROBABLY WILL BE ON THE 20TH, THE VOTE ON THE 20TH AND, AND JUST FYI COMMISSIONERS THE, UH, I BELIEVE MOVING FORWARD ALL OF OUR, UH, MEETINGS FROM NOW UNTIL WE VOTE ON THE, THE DOCUMENT WHERE WE'LL BE TAKING SOME PUBLIC INPUT.
UM, AND SO THAT WOULD BE ON THE SIXTH.
SO, SO HOW DOES, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE IMPACT ON THE COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION THEN IF, IF WE DON'T VOTE ON THIS UNTIL JUNE 20TH, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF THE COUNCIL? THEY PROBABLY WON'T REALLY, UH, BE, BEGIN TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE UNTIL THEY GET BACK FROM THEIR SUMMER BREAK.
RIGHT? I DON'T REALLY KNOW, HONESTLY.
I, I MEAN, I'M NOT TAKING THAT, THAT INTO CONSIDERATION ABOUT CITY GOVERNMENT THAN I DO.
I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT I'M, I'M TRYING TO WORK WITH OUR CALENDAR HERE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AS MANY FOLKS AS WE CAN AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL GOES, OR I DON'T REALLY KNOW, COMMISSIONER, MAYBE, UH, WE GET SOME CLARITY ON THAT.
ANDREA GIL IS PLANNING URBAN DESIGN.
IT, IT WILL JUST GO IN THE FALL.
IT WON'T BE ABLE TO GO TO THEM UNTIL AUGUST AT THE EARLIEST.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS, JUST WANTED TO HAVE AN IDEA.
CAN I DIG IN JUST A LITTLE BIT DEEPER TO THE WORK THAT WE MIGHT DO ON OUR JUNE 17TH MEETING? I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THE FINAL VOTE TO PASS RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNSEL MAY NOT HAPPEN THAT DAY, BUT I THINK IF WE'RE HERE ON THE 17TH, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD, AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS TO IT AND ALL THAT.
I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE AND GET AS MUCH WORK AS WE CAN DONE ON THE 17TH.
AND IF WE NEED TO CONTINUE WORKING ON IT ON THE 20TH, WE CAN DO THAT.
THAT'S HOW K CLUB ENDED UP DOING IT.
WE, WE PICKED IT UP ON ONE DAY IN JANUARY, GOT THROUGH A LOT OF THE DOCUMENT, BUT DIDN'T GET ALL THE WAY THERE AND THEN WRAPPED IT UP IN A SECOND, SECOND SESSION.
SO I JUST WANNA, FROM SORT OF A TRUTH AND ADVERTISING PERSPECTIVE, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE WERE VERY CLEAR THAT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE DO, YOU KNOW, WORK ON THE DOCUMENT AND EVEN POSSIBLY PASS IT.
BUT ALTHOUGH I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE CHALLENGING ON THE 17TH, COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, YOU, YOU'RE RIGHT.
THE, THE JUNE 20TH THOUGH, THAT, THAT'S THE DATE YOU'RE PLANNING FOR A VOTE AND, BUT THAT IS A REGULAR MEETING DAY.
BUT AGAIN, AS, AS VICE RUBIN SAID, UH, WE SHOULD ALREADY HAVE IRONED OUT ALL ITEMS BY THE 17TH.
ON THE 17TH AND WHATEVER THE HANDFUL OF ITEMS ARE ARE THAT WE HAVE TO, UH, VOTE ON ON THE 20TH.
THE 20TH WILL HOPEFULLY BE JUST ONE OVERALL VOTE, BUT WE'LL SEE WHEN WE GET THERE.
WHY DON'T WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK BEFORE WE GO TO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
DANIEL, IS THAT GONNA BE HERE OR IN THE BACK? IT'S IN THE BACK.
[EXECUTIVE SESSION]
TAKE, LET'S TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK AND THEN HEAD THE BACK.[Zoning Cases - Consent]
WE YOUR BACK.[CALL TO ORDER]
IS NOW 1110 AND THE CITY OF PLAN COMMISSIONER HAS RETURNED FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION.WE'RE GONNA HEAD RIGHT BACK INTO THE DOCKET, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
[Minor Amendments - Consent]
TWO ITEMS ARE THE MISCELLANEOUS MINOR AMENDMENTS THAT ARE BRIEFED AT PER REQUEST.DOES ANYONE NEED ITEM THREE OR FOUR BRIEFED AND COMMISSIONER? UH, HAMPTON, I CAN'T SEE YOU OR HEAR YOU, BUT IF YOU NEED IT BRIEFED, CAN YOU LET ME KNOW? CALL ME OR TEXT ME.
THAT'S COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
SO THAT TAKES US TO THE, UH, ZONING CONSENT AGENDA.
UH, AT THIS POINT, 11, 12 AND 13 HAVE COME OFF CONSENT, SOME WILL BE HELD, SOME NOT.
WE'LL BEGIN WITH CASE NUMBER FIVE, MS. GARZA, WE'RE GONNA MOVE IT A BRIEF SPACE TODAY, MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR.
WHAT IF WE DID BRIEFINGS BY REQUEST IN THE CONSENT AGENDA TODAY, CONSIDERING THAT THE TIME CRUNCH? WOULD FOLKS BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? IF, IF WE DID BRIEFINGS BY REQUESTS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AS WELL? AND OF COURSE IF ANYONE HAD COMMENTS, WE COULD GET IT OR QUESTIONS WE COULD GET IT BRIEFED OR JUST PRESENT QUESTIONS TO STAFF.
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SOME HEADS MOVING.NO, WHY DON'T WE QUESTIONS? YEAH, SO, SO LET'S JUST DO THAT.
WHY DON'T WE JUST, UH, PUT THESE, THESE CASES, OPEN THEM UP FOR QUESTIONS, AND THEN, UH, WITH THOSE, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE, THE PRESENTATION.
I THINK I, NOW, I WENT THROUGH ALL OF THESE ONLINE.
UH, THESE WERE ALL POSTED ALL YOUR PRESENTATIONS.
SO LET'S, LET'S BEGIN WITH NUMBER FIVE AND, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, I DON'T SEE YOU YET.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HEAR ME.
MORNING ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS KZ 2 2 3 2 3 9.
THE REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION FOR AMENDMENT TWO, TWO, AND AN EXPANSION OF PLANUM DISTRICT NUMBER 9 24 AND ON PROPERTY ZONE IN MF TO A MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT AND PLAN DEVELOP DISTRICT NUMBER 9 24.
IT IS LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST LINE OF LONG LAND DRIVE AND SOUTHWEST LINE OF CHARLES STREET, SOUTHEAST OF FERGUSON ROAD.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY ONE POINT 33 ACRES.
UH, LET'S JUST, CAN YOU JUST GET TO THE ASK AND THEN WE'LL GO RIGHT TO QUESTIONS SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A FULLY BRIEF.
SO THE AREA REQUEST, UM, IS DEVELOPED WITH A GROUP HOME PARKING LOT AND IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY AND A SINGLE FAMILY HOME PD 9 24 WEST, PASSED BY CITY COUNCIL SEPTEMBER, 2014.
UM, SO THEY, THE REQUEST IS THEY ARE EXPANDING THE THREE STORY BUILDING BY 300, UH, 3,716 SQUARE FEET ON THE NORTHWEST AND SOUTHWEST SIDES OF THE BUILDING, AS WELL AS THEY'RE EXPANDING THE AREA OF THE PD 9 24 TO INCLUDE PROPERTY THAT IS DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY TO THE SOUTHEAST.
UM, THEY ARE UTILIZING THE O THE, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME EXISTING FOR OFFICE.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE, THERE'S NO SUSTAIN, UH, CHANGES TO PD, TO THE PD CONDITIONS.
UM, SO AS I MENTIONED, UH, MAYBE YOU CAN SEE ON THE IAN PLANT, UM, THEY ARE EXPANDING THE EXISTING THREE STORY BUILDING AND THEY ARE ADDING THAT, UH, PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH.
UM, AND, UH, STATUS CONDITION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
GEORGE IS COMMISSIONER WHEELER ON? OKAY, WE CAN, WE CAN, UH, COME BACK TO THIS ONE IF SHE HAS QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER HALL, I, IS THIS A, UH, I GUESS AM I ALLOWED TO ASK THIS? IS THIS A TEMPORARY HOUSING FOR SAY, HOMELESS PEOPLE? UH, SO THIS IS A GROUP OF RESIDENTIAL FACILITY USE.
SO AS FOR PER DEVELOPMENT CODE, UH, IT'S ANTERIUM OR PERMANENT RESIDENTIAL FACILITY, AS OPPOSED TO LODGING OUR MEDICAL TREATMENT FACILITY THAT PROVIDES ROOM AND BOARD TO A GROUP OF PERSON WHO ARE NOT A FAMILY.
AS THAT TERM IS DEFINED IN THIS CHAPTER, WHETHER NOT THE FACILITY IS OPERATED FOR PROFIT OR CHARGES FOR THE SERVICE, UH, IT OFFERS, SO PEOPLE COME AND GO, UH, IN THIS FAIRLY ROUTINELY.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
SO IT ACTUALLY DOES SAY THIS USE DOES NOT INCLUDE FACILITIES THAT NEGOTIATE SLEEPING ARRANGEMENT ON A DAILY BASIS.
ANY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE.
UH, THE PROPERTY THAT THIS, UM, DEVELOPMENT IS ADDING IS, UH, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME TO THE SOUTH AND IT'S, IT'S SITTING ON MF TWO LAND, BUT IT IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
BUT THE PROPOSED, UM, USE FOR THAT ADDED SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS TO BE AN OFFICE FOR THIS PARTICULAR USE.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND AGAIN, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, WE'RE HAPPY TO COME BACK TO THIS ITEM ONCE YOU GET ONLINE AND WE'LL KEEP GOING TO CASE NUMBER SIX.
THIS IS, UM, CASE NUMBER Z 2 2 3 2 4 0.
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THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 24 10 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE, 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS ON PROPERTY ZONE AND RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY.THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW THE CONTINUED SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISE FOOD STORE, 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS.
AND IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTH LINE OF GREAT TRINITY FOREST WAY EAST OF OAKLAND ON DRIVE.
HOPEFULLY I'M PRONOUNCING IT RIGHT.
AS YOU'LL SEE ON THE ZONING MAP, IT'S SURROUNDED BY OTHER RETAIL USES A, UH, MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION, AND ALSO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
THE AREA REQUEST IS ON RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIFT CONTROL OVERLAY, AND THE PROPERTY IS CURRENT AVAILABLE WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISE FOOD STORE.
UM, THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2014 WAS APPROVED ON MARCH THE 24TH, 2021 FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD FOR THE USE THE SALES OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GENERAL MERCHANDISE FOOD STORE, 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS AND NO CHANGES.
UM, WITH THE EXCEPT OF THE TIME LIMIT, THE APPLICANT DOES NOT PROPOSE ANY CHANGES TO THE CONDITIONS OR SITE PLAN.
THE NEXT FEW PICTURES WILL BE OF THE SITE WHEN I CONDUCTED THE SITE VISIT AND THE SURROUNDING USES ALSO, THESE PHOTOS WERE SENT TO ME BY THE COMMISSIONER.
UM, SO I INCLUDED THEM IN THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION WHEN SHE CONDUCTED A SITE VISIT.
THESE ARE THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT CONDITIONS.
AGAIN, NO CHANGES OTHER THAN THE TIME LIMIT, THE EXISTING SITE PLAN, NO CHANGES AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR, UM, MS. UH, GIANNA BRIDGES, MS. BRIDGES, IS THIS NOT THE SAME LOCATION WHERE WE HAD, UM, THE LAST TIME WE HAD THE, THE AT TEXACO WHERE WE WE WERE CHALLENGED WITH THAT SITE? YES, MA'AM.
UM, AND YOU'RE AWARE THAT AFTER THAT CASE THEN I WENT OUT THERE, WALKED THE WHOLE ENTIRE SITE WITH ALL OF THE PARTIES THAT WERE NEEDED IN ORDER TO VALIDATE THE CONDITION AND THE, THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT EXIST FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA? YES, MA'AM.
UM, DID I NOT SHARE WITH YOU? THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES, BUT THE CHALLENGES ARE NOT OF THE, UM, BUSINESS OWNERS, BUT OF THE ENVIRONMENT? YES, MA'AM.
AND THAT, UM, NOT ONLY WAS THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, BUT THE LOCATION THAT WE DISCUSSED THE LAST TIME, UM, WHERE EACH LOCATION WAS THAT I VISITED WAS CLEAN, IT WAS, UM, THOUGHTFULLY, UM, LAID OUT AND THEY DID HAVE THEIR NECESSARY, UM, UM, PERMITS THAT THEY NEEDED IN ORDER TO OPERATE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, WE'LL GO ON TO CASE NUMBER SEVEN, UH, WHICH HAS COME OFF CONSENT.
ARE Y'ALL ABLE TO SEE MY SCREEN? YES, SIR.
THIS IS CASE, UH, Z 2 23 3 14.
IT'S A RENEWAL OF SUP AT 1730 LOCATED AT 400 SOUTH NER.
THE REQUEST, UH, IS A RENEWAL OF, UH, THE SUP FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT, UH, FOR AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT TO BE USED AS A PRIVATE CAR.
IT'S LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF SOUTH BUCKNER BOULEVARD AND KIPLING DRIVE.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 33,000 SQUARE FEET AND IT'S, UH, LOCATED WITHIN BOTH PD 360 6 AND AN IM, UH, WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY.
UM, WHICH THE LOCATION, UH, REQUEST DETAILS ARE, UH, TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW FOR AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT TO BE USED AS A PRIVATE CLUB BAR.
AND THE, UH, REQUEST IS FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL THREE YEARS.
AND, UH, NO CHANGES ARE PROPOSED AT THIS TIME OR, UH, NO CHANGES ARE PROPOSED OTHER THAN THE TIME LIMIT AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR, UH, THE THREE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL THREE PERIODS, SUBJECT TO SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS.
THANK, THANK YOU QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, CARPENTER?
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UH, YES.THIS IS THE FAR WEST NIGHTCLUB, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
I I, I'M AWARE THAT, UM, THAT PARTICULAR NIGHTCLUB HAS HAD A CHECKERED HISTORY IN THE PAST.
UM, DO WE HAVE CRIME STATISTICS? UM, I WAS UNABLE TO GET CRIME STATISTICS FROM, UH, FROM PD.
UH, I CAN WORK WITH THEM TO TRY TO GET THOSE
I, I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S BEEN AN ISSUE IN THE PAST WITH, UH, WITH DRUG SALES GOING ON AT THE LOCATION AND THERE WAS SOME LEGAL ACTION TAKEN, SO I WAS, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
UM, DID YOU NOTICE OR ARE YOU AWARE THAT THEIR WEBSITE SAYS THEY OPEN AT 10:00 AM ON CERTAIN MORNINGS, BUT OUR, UM, SUP CONDITIONS SAY THEY OPEN AT 11:00 AM THERE PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE AN ADJUSTMENT MADE TO REFLECT THE WAY THEY'RE OPERATING.
I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT, BUT WE CAN ADJUST THAT.
UH, I THINK A COUPLE OF US DID REQUEST THE CRIME STATS.
UH, I DID RECEIVE 'EM FROM THE APPLICANT AND I, I THOUGHT I FORWARDED THEM TO YOLANDA.
SO I WILL DO THAT NOW SO ALL OF US CAN HAVE A COPY OF, OF WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? YES, SIR.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, WHAT WAS THE CURRENT TIMEFRAME OF THE CURRENT SUP, IF YOU DON'T MIND? UH, IT'S, IT WAS THE SAME AS THREE YEARS WITH, UH, THREE YEAR AUTOMATIC.
THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL, UH, DATE WAS, WAS MISSED FOR THIS.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE.
I'M SORRY, I DID HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, ESPECIALLY IN THE ABSENCE OF, OF THE CRIME DATA AND THE, AND THE HISTORY AS WELL.
I'M ASSUMING IF, IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE CRIME DATA THAT YOU WEREN'T AWARE OF THE SITUATION.
SO, UH, MY QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE RATIONALE FOR AUTO RENEWALS, BUT SINCE MY QUESTIONING THAT WOULD BE PREDICATED ON THE CRIME SITUATION, THEN
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? WE'LL KEEP GOING.
CONSENT NUMBER EIGHT, GOOD DAY.
THIS IS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, CASE Z 2 23 DASH THREE 15.
AN APPLICATION FOR AN MU THREE MIXED USE.
THREE, UH, DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE, REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT WITH, UH, HISTORIC 90 OAK CLIFF UNITED METHODIST CHURCH.
HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF EAST JEFFERSON BOULEVARD AND SOUTH.
UH, THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP, AERIAL MAP ZONING MAP.
IT'S, UH, CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH, UH, AN EXISTING VACANT BUILDING PREVIOUSLY USED AS A CHURCH, AN EXISTING VACANT BUILDING PREVIOUSLY USED AS A YOUTH CENTER AND AN EXISTING PARKING LOT TOTALING IN ONE POINT.
OH, SORRY, QUICK DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS COMPARISON.
UM, AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS, UH, GOING FROM REGIONAL RETAIL TO, UH, MU THREE AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I KNOW THERE'S A HUGE HISTORICAL PIECE OF THIS.
UM, HAS THE APPLICANT HAD TO GO THROUGH THE HISTORICAL, UM, COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS BEFORE COMING HERE, OR WILL THAT FOLLOW? UH, THAT WOULD FOLLOW, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE BETTER SUITED FOR THE APPLICANT AS WELL.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, THE REQUEST FOR MU ZONING IS BASICALLY TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY, IS THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ALLOWED IN THE
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EXISTING RR ZONING? THAT'S CORRECT.AND, UM, MY QUESTION'S ALSO ABOUT THE, UH, PROTECTED NATURE OF THE BUILDING.
'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A HISTORIC OVERLAY, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE EXTENT OF THAT PROTECTION IS.
DO YOU KNOW IF THAT CON UH, INCLUDES THE EXTERIOR OF, OF ALL THE BUILDINGS, THE MAIN BUILDING, OR I CAN ASK THE APPLICANT? SO TO MY KNOWLEDGE IT IS THE EVERYTHING ON THE SITE.
SO THE, THE CHURCH AND THE YOUTH BUILDING, BUT AGAIN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE BETTER SUITED FOR THE APPLICANT.
COMMISSIONER CHERNO, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER GOT TO ME F GOT THERE FIRST.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? MR. CHAIR? YES, UH, YES.
IS THIS GONNA BE TAKEN OFF OF CONSENT? AND I'M ASKING BECAUSE I, I HAD THE SAME QUESTIONS ON HOW THE HISTORIC OVERLAY, UM, WOULD BE APPLICABLE AND IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE HAVE AN ANSWER.
UH, YEAH, SO THE HISTORIC OVERLAY ISN'T HANDLED BY THE ZONING TEAM THAT'S HANDLED BY OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION TEAM.
UM, THAT IS A SEPARATE PROCESS FROM THE ZONING, UM, THAT I BELIEVE WOULD GO TO LANDMARK COMMISSION.
I'M, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T WORK FOR THAT, UH, TEAM, SO I'M NOT SURE OF THEIR PROCESS EXACTLY.
UM, IT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE ZONING AND, UM, NOTHING ABOUT THIS ZONING CASE WOULD NECESSARILY IMPACT, UM, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROCESS.
BUT AT THIS TIME, DOES IT SOUND LIKE STAFF IS AWARE OF HOW THE PLAN AND THE PLANNED CHANGE IN THE ZONING WILL RELATE TO THE HISTORIC OVERLAY AND, AND THAT, THAT REVIEW, NONE OF THAT PRELIMINARY REVIEW HAPPENED, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THAT, THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN AS PART OF REVIEW OF THE ZONING CASE.
I THINK I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND I THINK THE APPLICANT CAN LIKELY ANSWER THEM.
UM, IF WE COULD REMOVE THIS ONE, PLEASE.
WE'LL TAKE IT OFF THE CONSENT.
WE'LL HEAR THIS ONE INDIVIDUALLY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS, AGAIN, THIS WILL BE, UH, DISPOSED OF INDIVIDUALLY.
IT TAKES US TO CASE NUMBER NINE.
HOW BRIEF OR A BRIEFING WOULD YOU LIKE ON THIS CONSENT ITEM? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T CATCH THAT.
HOW BRIEF OF A BRIEFING WOULD YOU LIKE ON THIS CONSENT ITEM? A BRIEF BRIEFING PLEASE.
UM, IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 9 89, UM, LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 31.53 ACRES.
UM, I'M ASSUMING ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN PREVIEWED, SO I'M GONNA SKIP THROUGH ALL OF THIS STUFF, PLEASE.
AND ONE KEY PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT WAS LEFT OUT OF, UM, THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION ONLINE.
FOR SOME REASON, I HAD THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION HIDDEN, AND SO I WILL REVEAL THAT TO YOU NOW.
UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A REVISED AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, REVISED AMENDED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND AMENDED CONDITIONS.
UH, I I GUESS I'LL START US OFF.
WERE YOU AWARE THAT THE, UH, APPLICANT SENT IN ASSIGNED TMP AND, UH, I THINK WE ALL SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED THIS MORNING? YES.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WERE COPIED ON THAT.
AND, UM, I'VE COMMUNICATED WITH THE APPLICANT.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF, I MEAN, EVERYTHING IS SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME, BUT WE'VE COMMUNICATED ALREADY ABOUT FINAL SUBMITTAL ON THAT.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, CARPENTER, MS. ALGAR,
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I SENT YOU A, AN EMAIL QUESTION ABOUT THE LANGUAGE THAT DISD HAD SUBMITTED ABOUT THE USE OF THE LIGHTING.WERE THEY STILL OKAY WITH THAT LIGHTING? YES, THAT WAS THE LANGUAGE THEY HAD REQUESTED AND, AND, AND I SENT THEM THE CONDITIONS AND THEY CONFIRMED THAT, THAT THEY ONLY INTENDED TO USE THE LIGHTING ON THE FIELD FOR PRACTICES.
YEAH, THESE ARE PRACTICE FIELDS ON, OKAY.
MM-HMM,
IS THAT A PART OF THIS OR IS THAT A SEPARATE, I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT PARKING LOT BELONGED TO.
THIS IS THE MOST EXCITING PART OF THIS PROJECT.
UM, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN COMPARED TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, THIS, THIS, UH, SCHOOL IS SIGNIFICANTLY OVER PARKED AND THEY'RE BASICALLY TAKING THAT ENTIRE PARKING LOT AND TURNING IT INTO THE NEW SOFTBALL FIELD.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, MY NEXT QUESTION, GO AHEAD AND SAY IT ON THE RECORD, SIR.
BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, ARE WE PLANNING TO REMOVE THOSE OR, UM, I, I MISSPOKE EARLIER WHEN I SAID THE MOST EXCITING PART WAS THE PARKING LOT.
THE MOST EXCITING PART IS THAT THE TEMPORARY BUILDINGS, THAT'S ACTUALLY THEIR EXISTING COMMUNITY FAMILY SERVICE CENTER.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S GONNA MOVE INTO A PORTION OF THE PERMANENT ADDITION AND THEN THAT ENTIRE LOT WILL BE CONVERTED FOR PARKING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, TAKES US TO CASE NUMBER 10.
HOW WE DOING? AND, OKAY, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 10, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 18 APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN INSIDE COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER SEVEN WITH A D LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY AND A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE NORTH LINE OF CENTERVILLE ROAD BETWEEN GARLAND ROAD AND JUPITER ROAD.
UH, WE'LL BREEZE THROUGH THIS.
UM, SURROUNDING USES INCLUDE COM, UH, COMMUNITY RETAIL TO THE NORTH, UM, COMMERCIAL RETAIL TO THE EAST, UM, RESIDENTIAL RE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY USES TO THE SOUTH AND, UH, COMMUNITY RETAIL AND ALSO COMMERCIAL RETAIL AS WELL AS, UH, SINGLE FAMILY TO THE WEST.
UM, CURRENTLY A VACANT STRUCTURE PREVIOUSLY USED AS A GENERAL MERCHANDISE STORE, UM, WITH AN EXISTING PARKING LOT AND LANDSCAPING.
AND AGAIN, THE REQUEST IS FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW INDOOR COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT WITH, UH, USE WITHIN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
AND, UM, JUST REALLY QUICKLY WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, UH, THAT I WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT TO, UH, REALLY ADJUST THE, UH, SUP CONDITIONS FOR THE HOURS OF OPERATION TO HONOR THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCIES.
SO WE'RE GONNA DO, UM, HOURS OF OPERATION WILL BE NINE TO NINE, SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND NINE TO 11 FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
UM, NO OUTSIDE SPEAKERS WILL BE USED FOR ON THE, UH, SITE.
AND HERE'S A SITE PLAN AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, APPROVAL FOR A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS, UM, FOR AN ADDITIONAL FIVE-YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES.
UM, MR. CLINTON, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THE, UM, ACCORDING TO THE INFORMATION THAT'S AVAILABLE ONLINE ABOUT SKY PARK ADVENTURE, THE TYPE OF COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE THAT THEY DO SEEMS TO BE A, A FAMILY KIND OF ENTERTAINMENT CENTER, WHETHER YOU HAVE TRAMPOLINES, JUNGLE GYMS, PICKLE BALL, BUMPER, CARS, VIDEO GAMES, LASER TAG, THAT SORT OF THING.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE THAT'S CORRECT.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, UM, WERE THERE TRAFFIC CONCERNS OR, UH, TRAFFIC PLANS TALKED ABOUT? UM, N NO TRAFFIC PLANS WERE NOT TALKED ABOUT? UM, CURRENTLY THERE ARE, UH, THE APPLICANT IN THE SITE WITH THE EXISTING PARKING IS PROVIDING,
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UH, I THINK IT'S 170, UH, SPACES.BUT AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN ASK THE APPLICANT MORE DIRECTLY.
AND I WILL, MY, MY CONCERN IS THE NEIGHBORS ON CVILLE AND HOW THEY'RE GONNA INTERACT WITH THE TRAFFIC.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE'LL KEEP GOING.
NUMBER 11, THAT ONE HAS COME OFF.
THIS IS CASE Z 2 34 DASH 1 37.
IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION LOCATED ON THE EAST LINE OF SOUTHEAST 14TH STREET.
APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRES IN SIZE, UH, IT'S OVER HERE ON THE FAR WESTERN END OF DALLAS, RIGHT BY GRAND PRAIRIE BY, UH, MOUNTAIN CREEK LAKE.
THERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW OF IT SURROUNDING ZONING.
IT IS IN AN R 7.5 A DISTRICT WITH AN IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT TO THE EAST.
UM, DIRECTLY SOUTH IS AN EXISTING ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION.
TO THE WEST IS A LARGE PD WITH A LARGE SUBSTATION AND THEN, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING AS WELL TO THE SORT OF SOUTHEAST OR SOUTHWEST AND FURTHER WEST.
UH, CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED, THEY'RE PROPOSING BUILDING A BATTERY FARM, OR I THINK THE TECHNICAL TERM IS A BATTERY STORAGE POWER STATION.
UM, IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, THEY'RE REQUESTING AN SUP FOR THE ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION WITH A PERMANENT TIME PERIOD NEAR THE SITE.
PHOTOS GENERALLY WE'LL JUST BLAZE THROUGH THIS AND THAT'S THAT LARGE PD WITH A LARGE SUBSTATION TO THE WEST.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE IN THE BACKGROUND OF THE PHOTO, THE EXISTING SUBSTATION.
UH, THIS IS A LARGE VIEW OF THE SITE PLAN AND DETAILED VIEW AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS BRUTAL.
COMMISSIONER HALL FILED BY COMMISSIONER HERBERT.
SO A BATTERY FARM, UH, DO YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF BATTERIES THEY ARE? I DO NOT.
THAT WOULD BE A, PARDON ME, A GOOD QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT BECAUSE, BECAUSE MY, I JUST, MY CONCERN WAS, UH, ELECTRICAL FIRES, IF THEY WERE LITHIUM OXIDE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW.
YEAH, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S LITHIUM ION OR SOME OTHER TYPE.
UNFORTUNATELY
UM, IT IS THIS, I'LL GET TO THAT.
UM, SO MR. BATES, YOU ARE AWARE THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT AND I HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATIONS RECENTLY AND THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS AND HE'S WORKING ON PROVIDING THAT ANSWER THOSE ANSWERS, RIGHT? CERTAINLY, YES, I'M AWARE.
SO WE ARE GONNA HOLD THIS CASE, UM, ADJACENT.
THIS IS A R SEVEN FIVE CURRENTLY, AND IT'S ADJACENT TO A LARGE R SEVEN FIVE THAT IS UNDERDEVELOPED.
UH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE, LOOKING AT THE ZONING MAP, SO THERE'S R 7.5 TO THE SOUTHWEST THAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED, UH, IN THE GENERAL, IN THE VICINITY OF WHERE IT IS ON THAT LOT.
UH, NOTHING AS FAR AS I COULD TELL IS DEVELOPED OR UNDER DEVELOPMENT.
IT IS PRETTY MUCH ALL GREENFIELD RIGHT NOW.
AND IS THAT A WATER, UM, SUPPLY OR, OR LAKE OR WATERWAY NEARBY? YES, THAT IS, UH, MOUNTAIN CREEK LAKE, I BELIEVE WHERE THE, UH, WHERE THE OLD, UH, NAVAL AIR STATION IS TO THE FURTHER THE NORTHEAST.
HE SAID IT'S A MOUNTAIN CREEK LAKE THAT IT, IT, UH, IT ABUTS? YES.
UM, WE WE'RE GONNA HOLD THIS CASE UNTIL, DID HE GIVE US A DATE? I THINK THE FIRST WEEK IN JUNE.
SECOND 1ST OF JUNE, YEAH, SECOND 1ST OF JUNE.
GO TO CASE NUMBER 12, WHICH, UH,
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IS ALSO GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MAY 16TH.WOULD YOU LIKE THAT BRIEF TODAY, COMMISSIONER, OR WE BRIEF IT THEN? UH, NO.
NO, WE DON'T NEED TO BRIEF TODAY.
THAT TAKES US TO 13 BACK TO DISTRICT EIGHT, MS. GARZA, THAT'S OFF CONSENT, THAT'S OFF CONSENT AS WELL.
ITEM NUMBER 13 IS KZ 2 34 1 46.
THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN R 7.5, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE R 10, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT.
IT IS LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST OF RAVEN V ROAD, NORTHWEST OF SEGAL ROAD, APPROXIMATELY 17.06 ACRES.
THIS IS ZONING MAP OF THE SITE.
THE AREA REQUEST IS UNDEVELOPED EXCEPT FOR ONE VACANT SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE ON THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, WHICH, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS MENTIONED THAT THEY WILL BE, UH, DEMOLISHING WITH THE PROPOSAL ELEMENT TO THE APPLICANT.
AS I MENTIONED, UH, IS PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE TO REDEVELOP THE SITE.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DEVELOP THE SITE WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS OF THE SITE SURROUNDING USES OF AROUND THE SITE.
THEN, UH, SO AS I MENTIONED THERE GOING, UH, THE CURRENT, UH, ZONING OF THE SITE IS, UM, CS TO THE NORTH END EXISTING, UM, R 10 A AND THEY ARE PROPOSING TO DEVELOP THE WHOLE ENTIRE SITE TO AN R 7.5 A.
UH, IT IS UNDER THE I 23 RECORDER LINE.
USE THE APPLICANT REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE I 20 FREEWAY CORRIDOR LINE USE.
THE PROPOSED USE FITS THE CHARACTER, ENHANCES THE SENSE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL QUESTIONS, COMMERCIAL BLAIR, UM, THE CS.
HOW ARE YOU? THE CS, UM, THE CS TO THE NORTH, IS IT DEVELOPED WITH ANY TYPE OF USE? NO, IT IS UNDEVELOPED.
IT'S A, IT'S ALSO UNDEVELOPED, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND THE, UM, SITE THAT IS BEING DEVELOPED, THERE IS NO OTHER MAJOR DEVELOP.
THERE'S SINGLE HOUSES THAT ARE THERE, BUT THERE ARE NO OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT IS IN THAT COMMUNITY, IN THAT SURROUNDING AREA, CORRECT? CORRECT.
NOW I'M NEED TO ASK A MATH QUESTION.
I THINK I NEED TO HAVE, UM, UH, MR. RYAN ANSWER THIS MATH QUESTION.
UM, THIS 17 ACRES CHANGING THE ZONING TO R SEVEN FIVE.
HOW MANY, DO YOU KNOW HOW, HOW MANY, WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF HOUSES THAT COULD BE BUILT ON THIS LOT AT 17 ACRES? THAT IS ACTUALLY REALLY HARD TO DO FOR SINGLE FAMILY ZONING.
UM, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT JUST CONSIDERING MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS, WE ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER HOW MUCH OF THAT AREA IS TAKEN OUT FOR STREETS OR AMENITY CENTERS, OPEN SPACES, DETENTION, RETENTION PONDS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO YEAH, WITHOUT, UM, HAVING ALL THAT INFORMATION, UM, WE REALLY CAN'T PREDICT HOW MANY UNITS WOULD BE ON THE PROPERTY.
WE REALLY COULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT UNTIL PLATING.
UM, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS SEPARATE FROM THE ZONING PROCESS.
CAN YOU TAKE US BACK, UH, TO THE SATELLITE VIEW AND JUST PUT THE, THE PROPERTY IN THE, IN THE, IN THE CONTEXT ABOUT WHAT'S AROUND IT, PARTICULARLY TO THE SOUTH? SO TO THE SOUTH, UM, TO THE SOUTHWEST, IT IS THERE IS A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, SUBDIVISION THAT MOST, UM, PROPERTIES ARE ALREADY DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY AND THEN ACROSS ONTO THE SOUTH OF RAVEN ROOT, UH, VIEW ROAD, UM, IT IS UNDEVELOPED.
AND SO THE SINGLE FAMILY PIECE LOOKS SIGNIFICANT.
IS THAT R SEVEN FIVE? UH, RIGHT TOWARDS, ADJACENT TO THE SOUTHWEST.
THAT IS R 7.5 ACROSS RAVEN VIEW.
UM, IT IS R 10 A ON THE EAST SIDE, ON
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THE SOUTHEAST SIDE, THE SOUTHEAST, I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE MY GLASS.SO TOWARDS THE NORTH, EAST AND SOUTHEAST, IT'S ALL RR 10.
AND THEN, UH, TOWARDS THE NORTH, UM, IT SEE US.
AND THEN, UM, PORTIONED OF THE NORTH NORTHWEST, UM, IS R 10, BUT RIGHT ADJACENT, UM, THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE, UM, THE SUBDIVISION THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE IS R SEVEN FIVE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE'LL KEEP GOING TO NUMBER 14.
ALL RIGHT, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 14, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 1 53.
IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR THE RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2 1 1 1 FOR A COMMERCIAL RETAIL USE ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 2 69, LOCATED ON THE CORNER OF AN, THE INTERSECTION AT MAIN STREET AND EXPOSITION AVENUE.
UM, SIZE OF THE REQUEST IS APPROXIMATELY 5,227 SQUARE FEET.
I THINK WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT.
UM, REALLY QUICK, UH, SURROUNDING USES, UH, TO THE NORTH, THERE'S, UH, MIXED USE IN COMMERCIAL RETAIL AS WELL AS PD UH, 9, 9 7 AND PD 7 49 TO THE SOUTH.
UH, MORE COMMERCIAL RETAIL AS WELL AS PD 2 69 TO THE EAST COMMERCIAL RETAIL, UH, WITH SUP 1595 AND TO THE WEST COMMERCIAL RETAIL WITH PD 2 69.
UM, THIS IS LOCATED IN THE DEEP ELM SECTION OF DALLAS, UH, ABOUT 0.5 MILES FROM DOWNTOWN.
UM, AGAIN, THE, UH, THE AREA OF REQUEST IS CURRENTLY A BODY PIERCING STUDIO AND A TATTOO STUDIO.
AND AGAIN, IT'S ZONED UNDER, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 2 69.
UH, APPLICANT IS PROPOSING NO OTHER CHANGES TO THE LAND USE OR THE SITE PLAN.
UH, THEY ARE THE CURRENT SUP EXPIRES MAY 22ND OF THIS YEAR, AND THEIR PREVIOUS SUP WAS FOR FIVE YEAR PERIOD.
AND STAFF IS, HERE'S THE SITE PLAN STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, UH, APPROVAL FOR FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.
QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONER HANON.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANK YOU SIR.
COMMISSIONERS, WE'LL MOVE TO OUR CASES UNDER ADVISEMENT.
WE'LL BEGIN TO CASE NUMBER 15 AND UPDATES FOR MR. PEPE.
YES, I DO HAVE UPDATES ON THIS ONE.
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YOU CAN TELL I'M TRYING 'CAUSE IT'S TICK.AS A REFRESHER, THIS IS Z 2 2 3 1 4 1 BEING LOCATED IN PRESTON CENTER IN THE, UH, PD THREE 14.
AND THEY'D BE CREATING A NEW TRACT WITHIN PD THREE 14.
I'M SKIP INTO THE UPDATES AND THERE WAS UPDATES TO A COUPLE OF THINGS IN THE CONDITIONS.
THEY ADDED A REQUIREMENT FOR AN ADDITIONAL OPEN SPACE FOR 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF LANDSCAPE TERRORIST OPEN SPACE.
THEY, UH, CHANGED THEIR GARAGE SCREENING NUMBER FROM 42 INCHES IN HEIGHT TO 46 INCHES IN HEIGHT.
UH, WHERE THEY UTILIZE, UM, WHERE, WHERE THEY UTILIZE GARAGE SCREENING, WHICH IN THAT IS TO SAY INSTEAD OF BUILDING, UH, THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE IT AT 46 INCHES IN HEIGHT OF SCREENING.
UM, THERE ARE ALSO NEW CONDITIONS THAT REQUIRE AND ENCOURAGE SHARED PARKING BETWEEN RETAIL AND OFFICE USES.
UH, THERE ARE SOME STAFF, UH, RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO THOSE, BUT I WILL SHOW YOU THE, WHAT YOU HAVE ALREADY SEEN IN THE DOCKET ARE HERE.
THESE ARE SHARED PARKING, UM, CONDITIONS THAT TALK ABOUT, UH, SH YOU KNOW, SHOULD THEY MAKE USE OF THE, UH, RE PARKING REDUCTION THAT IS IN THE BUILT INTO THE PD.
UH, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THESE THINGS.
UH, HOWEVER, SETH HAS NEW CHANGES SINCE THE DOCKET.
THESE HAVE NOT BEEN DISTRIBUTED, UH, BUT I AM HAPPY TO PUT THEM FORWARD FOR YOU TODAY.
UH, NEW LANGUAGE THAT WOULD ELIMINATE, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THE PARKING REDUCTION BUILT INTO THE PD THAT TIES INTO THE PRESTON CENTER GARAGE.
UM, INSTEAD THEY'D HAVE TO DO SHARING ON THEIR OWN SITE SHARING AMONGST THEMSELVES.
SO IT MODIFIES THAT PARKING LANGUAGE THAT YOU SAW IN THE, UH, IN THE DOCKET.
AND THEN IT SAYS BASICALLY THE PD 3 1 4 1 0 8 C TWO, WHICH IS THE PRESTON CENTER GARAGE REDUCTION THAT APPLIES TO ALL THE PROPERTIES AROUND THE PRESTON CENTER GARAGE.
IT DEACTIVATES THAT IT DOESN'T APPLY TO THIS, THIS TRACT.
AND THEN IT SAYS THAT THEY GET A, UH, SHARED PARKING REDUCTION, UH, SIMILAR IN SCALE TO THAT ONE.
UH, SHOULD THEY DO SHARING ON THEIR SITE SIMILARLY TO HOW THEY DESCRIBED IN THE DOCKET WHERE THEY HAVE TO HAVE OPEN PARKING IN THE EVENINGS FOR THEIR RETAIL USES, UM, WHERE THEY, THEY'VE PARKED THEIR OFFICE AT AT HIGHER, IF THEY SHOULD, THEY PARK, PARK THEIR OFFICE AT HIGHER RATES.
THEY CAN SHARE THAT BETWEEN THE OFFICE AND THE RETAIL, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, HAVING A VALET ONSITE FOR THOSE SAME TIMES WHERE THEY CAN, UH, ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO USE THE ONSITE GARAGE RATHER THAN OTHER GARAGES, UM, AT THE SAME TIME, ESPECIALLY FOR THE RETAIL AND ALLOWING THEM TO, TO CHARGE FOR PARKING, UH, REQUIRED PARKING IN THE GARAGE ON THEIR SITE.
UH, BUT THAT WAS ON THE, IN THE DOCKET, BUT WE REMOVED AROUND SOME OF HOW THE BULLET POINTS WORK.
AND SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVALS SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED.
JUST WANTED TO SORT OF RUN THROUGH THIS IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.
SO, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, UH, WE WERE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT WAS THE PARKING ISSUE AND, UH, AND THE, UH, DIFFICULTY SURROUNDING OWNERSHIP RELATED TO THE PARKING CORPORATION, THE PARKING GARAGE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
BUT, UH, IT'S CORRECT, ISN'T IT, THAT WE FOUND OUT DURING THE COURSE OF DISCUSSIONS THAT THE, UH, APPLICANT ACTUALLY HAD SUFFICIENT PAR EXCESS PARKING TO MEET HIS OFFICE, RESIDENTIAL AND RETAIL.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL HAVE SIGNIFICANT MORE THAN A THOUSAND SPACES ON THEIR OWN SITE.
UH, THESE PROVISIONS JUST ENCOURAGED 'EM TO SHARE, UH, THEM BETWEEN THE USES TO THAT RETAIL CONCERN.
SO IT WAS, WE WERE NO LONGER REQUIRED TO T TIRE, UH, TIE HIS PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN WITH THE, UH, THE CENTER, UH, PARKING GARAGE.
NOT WITH THIS BRIEFED LANGUAGE.
NOT WITH THE CHANGE IN THE LANGUAGE.
THAT ELIMINATES THE LINK BETWEEN THE, THIS PROPERTY AND THE PRESTON CENTER GARAGE.
AND THE APPLICANT AGREED, WE CAME TO THE AGREEMENT TO DO THIS BY, WHAT DO YOU CALL YOUR SHARED PARKING? YES.
WHERE HE WOULD OPEN IT UP IN THE EVENINGS ON THE WEEKENDS AND DURING HOLIDAYS AND STUFF.
AND, UH, I UNDERSTAND HE'S GONNA HAVE TWO VALET, UH, LOCATIONS TO ADDRESS PARKING AND RETAIL AND RESTAURANTS, UH, LIKE THAT.
AND THEN ADDITION OF, UH, MORE GREEN, MORE GREENERY, MORE, UH, THE TERRACE, UH, 30,000 EXTRA SQUARE FEET, UH, OF THAT.
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AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONS TO, UH, IMPROVING SIDEWALK INTERFACES BETWEEN SIDEWALK AND DRIVEWAY AND, UH, CLARIFICATION AND DIFFERENT MATERIALS, ET CETERA.YES, THEY DID CON CONSOLIDATE THAT, THAT LANGUAGE.
UM, BUT WE HAVE A PRETTY ROBUST SIDEWALK, UH, QUALITY SECTION NOW.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, MR. PEPE.
I HAVE THE SAME CONCERN ABOUT THAT I HAD THE LAST TIME THIS CASE WAS HEARD ABOUT.
UM, THE STAFF, THE STAFF REPORTS VERY STRONG.
UM, LANGUAGE SAYS THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE 40,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICE USES, UM, YOU KNOW, FACING THE, THE CORE OF, OF THE, THE PRESTON CENTER.
BUT THE LANGUAGE IN THE PD SAYS THAT THERE JUST HAS TO BE A MINIMUM OF 40,000 SQUARE FEET OF, UH, GROUND FLOOR BUILDING AREA THAT ARE RESERVED FOR STREET ACTIVATING USES.
AND BY THE DEFINITION OF STREET ACTIVATE, STREET ACTIVATING USES IN THE PD.
UM, THAT COULD BE ALMOST ANY USE, IT WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE RETAIL PERSONAL SERVICE USE.
IT COULD BE HOTEL, IT COULD BE, UH, INTERPRETED TO BE ALMOST ANYTHING.
WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION MADE OF TIGHTENING UP THE, THE LANGUAGE HERE TO ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BEING PROMISED THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE 40,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL PERSONAL SERVICE USES THERE? RIGHT? YEAH, NO, GOOD QUESTION.
IT'S THE STREET ACTIVATING USES MEANS USES, OFFERING PRODUCTS OR SERVICES IS THE GENERAL PUBLIC, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO USES IN THE RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICE USE CATEGORY AND LODGING USE CATEGORY.
OUR, OUR GOAL NOT NECESSARILY IS TO SAY THERE MUST BE SPECIFICALLY RETAIL, UM, AT THIS SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT THERE MUST BE STREET ACTIVATING USES BECAUSE THAT IS THE NATURE OF THE, THE PD.
THAT'S WHAT WALK ENCOURAGES WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT IS STREET ACTIVATING USES.
SO WE, WE DO LEAN ON THAT DEFINITION, UH, AND WE DID NOT HAVE CONVERSATION THAT SAID IT MUST BE ONLY RETAIL OR PERSONAL SERVICE USES, BUT BY THE, UM, LANGUAGE AND THE PD DEFINITION, A HOTEL COULD, COULD MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
THAT IS ONE OF THE LODGING, UH, USES.
I WOULD, I WOULD REMIND THAT 40,000 IS A VERY AGGRESSIVE NUMBER, UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE DIAGRAM OF WHAT THAT ACTUALLY ENTAILS IN TERMS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO A BROAD, A BROAD DEFINITION LENDS ITSELF TO THAT.
I WOULD SAY COMMISSIONER HALL, MR. PEPE, THAT 40,000 SQUARE FEET, DOES IT INCLUDE, UH, ANY OF THE RETAIL THAT ALREADY EXISTS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY? IT DOES.
SO 40,000 SQUARE FEET RETAIL, OR LET'S CALL IT STREET ACTIVATING USES TO BE COMPLETELY ACCURATE, NEEDS TO BE ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
AND THE ENTIRETY OF THE WESTCHESTER FRONTAGE NEEDS TO BE STREET ACTIVATING USES.
THOSE ARE TECHNICALLY TWO DIFFERENT, UM, PROVISIONS.
OBVIOUSLY IT IS YOUR INCENTIVIZED TO PUT YOUR 40,000 SQUARE FEET IN, IN THE ONE FRONTAGE WHERE YOU GOTTA HAVE IT.
UM, BUT IT DOES INCLUDE THE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL IN THE NORTH PORTION.
IT'S NOT THE END OF MY ANSWER, BUT I'M THINKING FOR A SECOND
UM, AND AGAIN, THAT'S BECAUSE THAT 40,000, YOU LOOK AT THE GRAPHIC PRETTY AGGRESSIVE NUMBER, BUT SO YOU, WILL IT INCLUDE WHAT'S ON THE GROUND FLOOR? CS THE C VS.
C-V-S-C-V-S WOULD PROBABLY REMAIN, TARGET'S ARE NOT ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE WERE OKAY WITH AN AGGRESSIVE NUMBER BECAUSE THEY CAN USE SOME OF THEIR, THEIR FIRST FLOOR RETAIL USES ON THE NORTH SIDE TO COUNT TOWARDS THIS.
BUT YOU, IF YOU JUST PUT THE CVS IN THERE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA REACH 40,000.
YOU NEED TO BUILD OUT SOME ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION OR, OR ELSEWHERE.
BUT AT THE SAME RATE, THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE FRONTAGE HAS TO BE STREET ACTIVATING USES.
SO IT, IT'S, THERE'S TWO LAYERS TO IT.
UM, BUT BECAUSE OF THE REALLY BIG NUMBER, IF TALKING ABOUT AN ACRE OF RETAIL OR STREET ACTING USES, THAT'S WHY IT INCLUDES, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CDS.
COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, UH, MR. PEPE, YOU SAID THAT THE, THE NEW LANGUAGE ABOUT PARKING HAS BEEN AGREED TO BY THE APPLICANT.
IS THAT CORRECT? THIS WAS PROPOSED OBVIOUSLY AFTER THE POINT OF POSTING OF THE DOCKET, BUT THEY ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS LANGUAGE AS IT AS IT IS.
AND THEN, UH, SECOND QUESTION, UM, ON THE, THIS TOPIC OF THE 40,000 FEET OF STREET REACTIVATING USES, UM, AND IT BEING, UH, APPLIED TO WESTCHESTER, WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT USE STREET ACTIVATING USES ON LUTHER, UH, EXTENDING TO THE WEST FROM WESTCHESTER?
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I WONDER IF I PUT MY GRAPHIC WITH THE, WITH WHAT, UH, WHAT 40,000 LOOKS LIKE? YEAH, THAT WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT REQUIRING IT ON LUTHER.IT'S NOT AN ESTABLISHED, UM, PATTERN ON LUTHER AT THIS TIME.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY INTEND TO PUT SOME FACING LUTHER THERE.
UH, BUT WESTCHESTER WAS THE FOCUS.
UM, AND SO WESTCHESTER HAS A REQUIREMENT TO BE STREET ACTIVATING USES.
IF YOU WANNA MEET THAT 40,000, YOU MAY HAVE TO SPILL SOME ONTO LUTHER, UH, BERKSHIRE, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
BUT WESTCHESTER WAS THE PRIORITY IN OUR CASE.
BUT OUTSIDE OF THE REQUIREMENT, I UNDERSTAND THEY DIDN'T HAVE SOME FRONTAGE THERE PLANNED.
DOES, DOES THE, THE, THE SUBDISTRICT AS WRITTEN ALLOW FOR SOME OF THAT 40,000 TO BE APPLIED TO LUTHER? YES.
BECAUSE WE'VE GOT, 'CAUSE WE, SORRY, ANYWHERE IN THE TRACT NEEDS, WE NEED A COLLECTION OF 40,000 SOMEWHERE IN THE, BUT WE ALSO NEED ALL OF WESTCHESTER TO BE STREET ACTIVATING.
THOSE CAN INTERSECT OR BE KIND OF SEPARATE.
I THOUGHT YOUR, I THOUGHT THE EXHIBIT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE WAS A DEPICTION OF 40,000 FEET.
AND I WANT YOU TO SEE WHAT 40,000 LOOKS LIKE.
IT'S A GOOD PORTION OF THE BLOCK.
UM, I DIDN'T MEAN BY THIS GRAPHIC TO SAY A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THAT 40 K MUST BE ON WESTCHESTER.
SO CAN, UH, FEASIBLY THEY COULD HAVE A SMALLER, UH, RETAIL DEPTH, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT? YEAH.
BECAUSE, AND THEN SPREAD SOME OF THAT AROUND.
WELL, I JUST THINK THAT THE, THE POINT IS THERE'S AS MUCH PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC ON LUTHER AS THERE IS ON WESTCHESTER, UH, BECAUSE OF THE, UH, FOOT TRAFFIC FROM THE OFFICE BUILDINGS WEST OF DOUGLAS INTO THE CENTER FOR LAUNCH, ET CETERA.
AND SO TO THE EXTENT THERE CAN BE, UM, ENCOURAGEMENT TO ACTIVATE LUTHER, I THINK WE'D HAVE A BETTER PROJECT.
I I DIDN'T WANT TO MANDATE IT DOWN THERE.
I DO THINK THEY HAVE SOME PLAN FOR IT, UM, AND THEY CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
UH, BUT IF THERE'S ANYWHERE I CARED TO MANDATE IT, I WOULD LIKE TO DO IT ON WESTCHESTER, WHERE IT'S AN ESTABLISHED RETAIL CORE.
UM, I'D RATHER GIVE THEM INCENTIVE TO DO IT, OTHERWISE.
QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. RIPPY.
AND, UM, I SAW THAT YOU DO HAVE A SLIDE ON THE, THE NEW LANGUAGE FOR THE PARKING AND, UM, I DON'T WANNA GO DOWN THIS RABBIT HOLE TOO FAR, BUT IS IT THE NEW NEW LANGUAGE, THE NEW NEW LANGUAGE? NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF COMMISSIONER HALL, IF YOU COULD, IF YOU SPED READ THAT, IS, IS THAT INCLUDE THE NEW, NEW LANGUAGE ON THE PARKING? YES.
CONVERS CONVERSATIONS HAPPENED WITH HIM TODAY.
I THINK THE ONLY CHANGE FROM THAT IS THAT WE KIND OF SAY PARKING IS AVAILABLE, UH, AFTER FIVE AND 24 HOURS.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE FROM WHAT YOU AND I HAVE DISCUSSED IS THIS SLIDE THAT I PREPARED, UH, LAST NIGHT, UM, HAS THAT ON THERE TWICE.
BUT I THINK THAT WE MIGHT STRIKE THE DUPLICATIVE THINGY THERE.
AND WE'LL, WE'LL CONFIRM WITH THE APPLICANT AT THE, AT THE HEARING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND TAKE OUR, OUR LUNCH BREAK? WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A, A WORKING LUNCH.
LET'S TAKE 15 MINUTES AND WE CAN BRING OUR LUNCHES BACK IN HERE.
COMMISSIONERS IS 1227 AND WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD.
THIS IS, I BELIEVE WE'VE BRIEFED THIS ONE BEFORE.
I THINK WE HAVE, BUT DO WE, WE HAVE UPDATES? YES.
I WILL TELL PLEASE THE UPDATE, SO LONG SHORT OF IT IS THE UPDATE IS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THEY OFFICIALLY AMENDED TO TOWNHOUSE THREE DISTRICT, AND I CAN PROVIDE INFORMATION ON TOWNHOUSE THREE, WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THAT WOULD BE, BUT IT WOULD CHANGE THEIR NATURE OF THEIR REQUEST AND WHAT THEIR, ESSENTIALLY WHAT THEY COULD BUILD BECAUSE THEY WERE, UM, PROPOSING A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT.
NOW THEY'D BE, UH, LIMITED GENERALLY TO A SINGLE FAMILY TYPE PROJECT, UH, UNDER TH THREE.
UH, WITH THAT SAID, AS DESCRIBED IN THE REPORT, THE, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS STILL APPROVAL OF MF TWO STAFF STILL FINDS IT APPROPRIATE ON THE SITE, BUT WE DO NOT OBJECT TO THE TH THREE TOWNHOUSE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
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QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, AND, AND AGAIN, MR. PIPPI, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING SETTLED IN, COULD YOU JUST MAYBE SUMMARIZE AGAIN THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION WAS FOR A, AND THE APPLICANT HAS NOW PROBABLY AS A RESULT OF SOME CONCESSIONS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS COMING IN WITH B? YES, THAT'S ACCURATE.SO AGAIN, THEY'VE AMENDED THE REQUEST OFFICIALLY ON THE RECORD FROM MULTIFAMILY TWO TO TH THREE BE LIMITED TO BASICALLY SINGLE FAMILY OR DUPLEX USES IN TOWN HOPE.
AND THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF TH THREE, UH, STAFF DOESN'T OBJECT TO THAT, UH, CHANGE.
UH, BUT WE DO STILL FIND MF TWO MORE APPROPRIATE, SO WE CONTINUE TO RECOMMEND THAT, BUT WE WON'T OBJECT TO TH THREE.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER HERBERT? SO, UM, THANK YOU MR. PEPE FOR, UM, BRIEF IN THIS CASE AND BEING PATIENT WITH US.
UM, YOU ARE AWARE THAT WE HAD A COUPLE, A COMMUNITY MEETING ON THIS CASE SOMETIME AFTER FEBRUARY? I WAS THERE, YES.
UM, AND AT THAT MEETING, UH, WE HAD A LOT OF CONTENTION AND I THINK THE COMMUNITY ASKED FOR SINGLE FAMILY, UH, TO BE PUT ON THE LOT.
WOULD YOU SAY IT'S ACCURATE? OKAY.
SO AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS WAS MAYBE A COMPROMISE BY THE DEVELOPER OR THE APPLICANT, UM, WITH THE NEIGHBORS ON, ON THIS PROJECT, CORRECT? YES.
IT WOULD BE LESS THAN, IT WOULD BE A, A LESS INTENSE DISTRICT.
IT WOULD BE MORE SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY ZONING.
UM, DO YOU KNOW IF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW OR LOOK OVER OR DISCUSS WHAT'S COMING? WELL, THIS, THIS INFORMATION ABOUT TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT WAS IN THE PUBLIC DOCKET.
UH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE THERE DON'T THINK THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING SINCE THEN OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT THAT'S ALL I KNOW.
THE, THE, THE, THE APPLICANT EXPRESSED THEIR DESIRE IN THE BEGINNING TO FEEL, TO BUILD SINGLE FAMILY, UM, BUT HAD SOME ISSUES, UM, WITH GRADING AND OTHER, OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.
DO YOU KNOW IF THOSE THINGS WERE TAKEN CARE OF OR DISCUSSED? WELL, YEAH, AS THEY EXPRESSED IN THE PAST, UTILITY GRADING AND ACCESS ARE KIND OF THE LIMITATIONS IN THEIR VIEW.
JUST SINGLE FAMILY, UH, ON THE SITE.
NOW, THAT MAY BE, UH, LET'S SAY MITIGATED, UH, BY A SHARED ACCESS EA SHARED ACCESS DEVELOPMENT STYLE, WHICH WOULD BE PRETTY FEASIBLE UNDER A TH THREE, UH, WHEREAS IT MAY NOT BE, UH, AS FEASIBLE IN THE, UH, EXISTING ZONING BECAUSE OF THE LOT SIZE.
UM, SO IN THIS CASE, I WOULD SAY THAT THE TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT MIGHT, UM, MAKE DEVELOPMENT MORE, MAKE DEVELOPMENT MORE FEASIBLE FOR THEM GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS THAT THEY STATED UNDER A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT WITH SHARED ACCESS.
UM, THIS DEVELOP THE KEY ROAD IS KIND OF LIKE BUCKNER, THE, THE HOMES AND, AND BUILDINGS SIT, UM, BACK WAY BACK OFF OF THE STREET.
UM, WOULD THIS DEVELOPMENT HAVE TO FOLLOW BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY OF ANY TYPE? YES.
BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY WOULD APPLY ON BOTH OF THE, UH, TWO, THE TWO STREETS.
IT OBVIOUSLY HAS TWO STREETS THAT HAVE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS ON THEM, UH, DESCRIBED IN THE REPORT, BUT IT HAS TO BE THE 30 ON GUADALUPE AND 25 ON KEITH BECAUSE OF THE TWO DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS ON THOSE TWO DIFFERENT BLOCKS.
UH, BUT THOSE IMP IMPLY A FRONT SETBACK.
AND THEN TH WHEN IT BORDERS IN OUR DISTRICT WITH A GREATER SIDE SETBACK IMPLIES THE SAME SETBACK, UM, FROM THAT OUR DISTRICT TO ONTO THIS TH DISTRICT.
SO THAT'S FIVE ASIDE FROM THE R SEVEN FIVE AND SIX FROM THE ARTS HEN.
AND LASTLY, UH, I SAID THAT BEFORE, UM, THE, UM, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT I SAW DID NOT HAVE THE HOMES FACING KEITH, THE MAIN STREET.
UM, UM, IS, HAS THAT BEEN TALKED ABOUT OR IS THAT GOING TO BE, UM, SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN LEGALLY DO? I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THAT LIMITS THEM FROM DOING THAT.
UM, THE PLAN THAT I SAW, I THOUGHT DID HAVE THEM FACING, HAVE SOME HOMES FACING KEITH.
NOT ALL, UH, IT WAS KIND OF LIKE A WRAPPED AROUND, UM, ACCESS.
AND I'M GONNA SAY THAT'S COMPLETELY SPECULATIVE.
THIS IS THEIR PRESENTATION, BUT IT DOES HAVE THAT PLAN HANDY FOR ME, UH, THAT I JUST WANTED TO HAVE FOR YOUR, SO IN, IN THAT CASE, THEY HAD, YOU KNOW, GREEN SPACE IN THE MIDDLE, BUT THEY HAD HOMES.
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EAST.IT'S KIND OF, YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE INFEASIBLE FOR THEM.
UH, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING THEIR ACCESS DRIVES.
BUT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN REGARDS TO THAT UNDER A TH DISTRICT.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF OPPOSITION, UH, EMAILS IN THE LAST COUPLE DAYS.
UM, SO, UH, I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM THE, THE APPLICANT.
COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, PLEASE.
MR. PEPE, THAT PRESENTATION YOU JUST FLIPPED THROUGH, IS, HAS THAT BEEN MADE AVAILABLE TO US, OR WILL WE SEE THAT AT THE HEARING? NO, IT WAS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
UH, IT'S ACTUALLY THEIR PRESENTATION.
SO WE'LL SEE IT AT HEARING PROBABLY, UM, YEAH, I, I PRESUME SO.
I DON'T BELIEVE I GOT IT IN TIME FOR EVERYONE TO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY.
MR. PAP TAKES US TO NUMBER 17.
ARE THERE ANY UPDATES ON THIS ONE? THERE'S ANY UPDATES? THIS IS THE ONE WHERE YOU WANT, CAN I GO OVER THE PHOTOS? OH, YEAH.
[17. 24-1449 An application for a TH-3(A) Townhouse District on property zoned an R-5(A) Single Family District, on the north line of Hendricks Avenue, east of South Denley Drive. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Jack Rowe Representative: Rik Adamski Planner: Martin Bate U/A From: January 18, 2024, February 15, 2024, and March 21, 2024. Council District: 4 Z223-300(MB)]
IS CASE Z 2 2 3 DASH 300.UH, THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR THE TH THREE TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE IN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTH LINE OF HENDRICKS AVENUE, EAST OF SOUTH DEADLY DRIVE, 7,200 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
UM, IN TERMS OF UPDATES, UH, THERE HAVEN'T BEEN A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGES TO THIS REQUEST OVERALL.
I DID WANT TO GO THROUGH AND SHOW, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL STREET VIEW PHOTOS.
I THINK JUST TO PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION BASED ON DISCUSSIONS FROM THE LAST TIME, THIS WAS BEFORE THE BODY, UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I THINK WAS AROUND KIND OF THE ENVELOPE AND SIZE OF THIS, UH, WHAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY DEVELOPED ON HERE.
AND I THINK THE GENERAL CHARACTER THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, SO WE HAD, THESE ARE THE ORIGINAL PHOTOS OF THE SITE AND THE SURROUNDING AREA, UH, USING STREET VIEW.
I DID PULL UP A FEW DIFFERENT, UM, EXAMPLES OF SOME LARGER TWO STORY HOUSES THAT ARE CURRENTLY DEVELOPED IN THE R FIVE DISTRICT.
UH, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE ALONG THE SAME BLOCK.
UM, THIS WOULD BE A 30 FOOT MAX HEIGHT.
UM, SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A TWO STORY HOME ON THAT BLOCK, UH, FURTHER DOWN A COUPLE BLOCKS.
WEST IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF ONE.
AGAIN, THE R FIVE DISTRICT, UH, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S QUITE TWO STORIES IN TERMS OF FLOORS, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S, UH, KIND OF LATITUDE IN TERMS OF THE ARCHITECTURAL DIRECTION AS WELL OF WHAT CAN BE BUILT ON HERE.
UH, WE ALSO WANTED TO SHOW THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
AGAIN, THERE'S THE COMMUNITY RETAIL ZONING DISTRICT DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH THAT ABUTS THIS SITE.
UH, THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THE USES OF, UH, THAT ARE AROUND THERE.
OVERALL, THE COMMUNITY RETAIL ZONING DISTRICT OF THE NORTH, THERE'S STILL A FAIR AMOUNT OF UNDEVELOPED LAND OR CERTAIN BUSINESSES THAT APPEAR TO BE VACANT, BUT THIS IS ONE THAT IS ACTIVE.
UH, AND WE ALSO WANTED TO SHOW THE, UH, PROXIMITY TO THE MORRELL STATION, MORRELL DART STATION.
UH, IT'S ABOUT 0.3 MILE OR SIX MINUTE WALK FROM THE SUBJECT SITE.
UH, AND ADDITIONALLY THERE IS THE DALLAS ZOO STATION.
IT'S A FURTHER WALK, BUT IT IS STILL, YOU KNOW, YOU'D SAY IT'S PRETTY WALKABLE, UM, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, NOTHING THERE HAS CHANGED.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS MADE ME AWARE THAT THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION AS WELL.
IF POTENTIAL DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT COULD BE VOLUNTEERED, UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO GO OVER THOSE.
IF THE BODY WOULD LIKE, DO YOU KNOW IF THE APPLICANT WILL BE HERE TO OFFER THOSE? THEY'LL BE HERE AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL OFFER THEM.
I, I SEE THAT THERE WILL BE QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS.
I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION THERE ABOUT THE, SOME OF THE PICTURES.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO, UH, SO YOU KNOW, IT, IT
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APPEARS FROM THE PICTURES AND, YOU KNOW, I, I DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO VISIT THE AREA AND SPEND QUITE A BIT OF TIME, UH, DRIVING AROUND THERE.IT SEEMS LIKE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS, IS, UH, COMPLETELY, UH, FILLED OUT.
IN FACT, I THINK IT'S EVERYTHING IS NEW IN THE STREET, NEW RIGHT AWAY.
SAY AGAIN, THAT, THAT THE STREET IS NEW HERE.
IT'S BEEN REPAVED, IT'S BEEN APPROVED.
IT APPEARS TO BE, I WOULD SAY IT LOOKS, LOOKS NICE SINCE SOME OF THE STREETS WHERE I LIVE.
YES, IT'S MUCH NICER THAN MY STREET, I'LL TELL YOU.
UH, AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, YOU, WE, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT THE PROXIMITY OF DART TO SOME OF OUR PROJECTS, AND IT, IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM THIS SITE TO THE DART STATION IS MAYBE AT 32ND WALK, UH, YOU'D TO TWO MINUTES, A PRETTY QUICK MINUTE TO GIMME 30 SECONDS MINUTES, BUT GOOGLE MAPS, IT SHOWED ABOUT SIX MINUTES.
I WALK FAST AND YEAH, I THINK GOOGLE MAPS ALWAYS ERRS IN THE SIDE OF SHORT.
IT'S JUST RIGHT THERE, PERHAPS, BUT YES, IT WOULD BE MAYBE A FOUR MINUTE WALK.
UH, AND I WOULD THINK OF RATHER PLEASANT WALK AS WELL.
CERTAINLY SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WALKABILITY IS HOW THE INFRASTRUCTURE'S IMPROVED OVERALL.
SOMETHING COULD BE A QUARTER MILE AS A CROW FLIES, BUT IF YOU'RE WALKING ALONG A UNIMPROVED MEDIAN NEXT TO 70 MILE PER HOUR TRAFFIC, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA WANNA WALK THAT.
BUT IN THIS CASE, THERE'S PRETTY SUFFICIENT PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT, UH, WALK TO THAT STATION WOULD BE.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT OF WAY IS HERE? THE SIZE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY? I CAN PULL THAT UP.
I BELIEVE THE, I THINK IT'S A CITY STANDARD.
IF I WANNA SAY IT'S ABOUT 56 FEET.
I, I THINK IT WOULD BE ABOUT 56 FEET.
I CAN DO A QUICK MEASUREMENT ON AN AERIAL VIEW IF YOU'D LIKE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE'LL KEEP GOING.
ACTUALLY, COMMISSIONERS THAT, UH, WE'LL JUST TAKE THE INDIVIDUAL CASES AND WE WILL BRIEF THEM BEFORE WE HEAR THEM.
UH, AND JUST A QUICK REMINDER, UH, WE DO HAVE SOME, SOME MOVING PARTS HERE.
WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING SOME CASES AROUND BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A REQUEST, THREE REQUESTS, IN FACT, FOR INTERPRETERS.
AND THE VERY LAST CASE, UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, CASE NUMBER 46, UH, IS GONNA BE MOVED UP IN THE DOCKET.
UH, I BEEN MADE AWARE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME, SOME YOUNG PEOPLE HERE, SO WE WANT TO GET THEM IN AND, UH, AND OUT, UH, NOT TO THE VERY TOP, BUT CLOSER TO THE FIRST PART OF OUR HEARING.
WE'LL MOVE THAT UP ONCE WE SEE THAT THEY'RE HERE.
AND WITH THAT, IT IS 1240 MORNING.
AND THAT CONCLUDES THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND WE WILL BEGIN OUR HEARING RIGHT NOW.
DISTRICT ONE, DISTRICT TWO, PRESENT DISTRICT THREE, PRESENT.
DISTRICT FOUR, DISTRICT FIVE, PRESENT DISTRICT SIX.
DISTRICT SEVEN, DISTRICT EIGHT.
DISTRICT 14 HERE AND PLACE 15.
UH, GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
WELCOME TO THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
TODAY IS THURSDAY, MAY 2ND, 2020 4, 12 40 2:00 PM COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE GET STARTED.
UH, WE DO HAVE COPIES OF THE AGENDA.
THEY'RE RIGHT DOWN HERE AT THIS TABLE.
IF YOU NEED A COPY, WE WILL BE REFERENCING THIS, UH, THE AGENDA ALSO AT THE TABLE.
YOU'LL FIND THESE LITTLE YELLOW SHEETS.
UH, AT SOME POINT, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOU COME DOWN AND FILL ONE OF THESE OUT.
YOU CAN JUST LEAVE IT ON THE TABLE.
WE, WE REALLY DO NEED A RECORD OF YOUR VISIT WITH US HERE TODAY.
UH, SPEAKER GUIDELINES, UH, ARE EACH SPEAKER WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES.
UH, WE'LL, LIANA WILL KEEP TIME.
WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP.
I WILL ASK ALL OF YOU TO PLEASE BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, ARE SPEAKERS ONLINE.
AS ALWAYS, STATE LAW REQUIRES US TO BE ABLE TO SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU.
UH, IN CASES WHERE THERE IS OPPOSITION, THE APPLICANT WILL GET A, UH, THREE MINUTE REBUTTAL.
AND WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED RIGHT INTO THE, UH, THE AGENDA WITH APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
WE WILL TABLE THAT FOR THE MOMENT, THEN WE'LL HIT RIGHT INTO THE MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS. UH, CASES THREE AND FOUR WILL BE DISPOSED OF IN ONE MOTION, UNLESS THERE IS SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON CASE THREE OR CASE NUMBER FOUR, THEN WE WILL, UH, VOTE ON IT INDIVIDUALLY.
DOES ANYONE HERE LIKE TO BE HEARD ON CASE NUMBER THREE OR CASE NUMBER FOUR?
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READ THEM.ANYONE HERE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON CASE NUMBER THREE ON PAGE, UH, ONE OR CASE NUMBER FOUR ON PAGE TWO.
ITEM NUMBER THREE IS AN IS M 2 34 DASH 0 0 5, AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
DISTRICT NUMBER 10 86 ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF SINGLETON BOULEVARD AND SYLVAN AVENUE STAFF.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS M 2 34 DASH 0 0 8.
AN APPLICATION FOR MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
DISTRICT NUMBER 5 51 ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF TOWN STREET AND SCHROEDER ROAD.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. MORMAN.
AND JUST, UH, FOR THE RECORD, COMMISSIONER WHEELER IS, IS ONLINE.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS ON EITHER OF THESE TWO CASES? C ON COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES.
IN THE MATTER OF THE MISCELLANEOUS DOCKET CONSENT ITEMS NUMBER M 2 34 DASH OH FIVE, AND M 2 34 DASH OH OH EIGHT, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION AND VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY COMMENTS? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'LL NOW MOVE TO OUR, UH, ZONING CASES, CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH CONSISTS OF CASES FIVE THROUGH 14 WITH CASES 7, 8, 11, 12, AND 13 HAVE BEEN PULLED OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WE VOTED ON AND DISPOSED OF INDIVIDUALLY.
UH, THAT LEAVES CASES 5, 6, 9, 10, AND 14 WILL BE TAKEN UP IN ONE MOTION UNLESS THERE IS SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE CASES AND WE WILL PULL IT OFF.
SO IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON CASES NUMBER, UH, 5 6 9, 10 AND 14.
OKAY, WELL LET'S GET THOSE READ IN.
AFTERNOON ITEM NUMBER FIVE, AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO END AN EXPANSION OF PLAN 11.
DISTRICT NUMBER 9 24 ON PROPERTY ZONE IN MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT AND PLAN 11, DISTRICT NUMBER 9 24 ON THE NORTHEAST LINE OF LOWLAND DRIVE AND SOUTHWEST LINE OF CHARLES STREET, SOUTHEAST OF FERGUSON ROAD.
UH, THIS CASE IS Z 2 2 3 2 3 9.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 24 10 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOL BEVERAGES AND CONJUNCTION WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE.
3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS ON PROPERTY ZONE IN RRR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LAKE CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE SOUTH LINE OF GRAY.
TRINITY FOREST WAY EAST OF OAKLAND DRIVE STYLE RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS.
ITEM NUMBER NINE IS KZ 2 2 3 3 43.
AN APPLICATION FOR AMENDMENT TO PLAN, DEVELOP, AND DISTRICT NUMBER 9 89 ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF SOUTH ST.
AUGUSTINE DRIVE IN GRADY LANE STATE RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO REVISED AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A REVISED AMENDED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND AMENDED CONDITIONS.
ITEM NUMBER 10 IS KZ 2 3 4 1 18.
AN APPLICATION FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN INSIDE COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN ON DISTRICT NUMBER SEVEN WITH A D LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY AND A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE NORTH LINE OF CENTERVILLE ROAD BETWEEN GARLAND ROAD AND JUPITER ROAD.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIG FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR AN ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SIDE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
ITEM NUMBER 14 IS CASE Z 2 34 53.
AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 21 11 48 BODY PIERCING STUDIO IN A TATTOO STUDIO AND PROPERTY ZONE TRACK DAY WITH IMPLANT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 2 69, THE DEEP EL NEAR EAST SIDE DISTRICT ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF MAIN STREET AND AS POSITION AVENUE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONERS.
ANY QUESTIONS ON CASES? 5, 6, 9, 10, OR 14? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SCENE NONE.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.
UM, IN THE MATTER OF, DO I NEED TO READ ALL THE CASE NUMBERS OR JUST
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IN THE, UM, DOCUMENT, JUST SAY CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS IS FINE.UM, IN THE MATTER OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 5, 6, 9, 10, AND 14, I MOVED TO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS OF APPROVAL.
UM, SUBJECT TO, UH, SUBJECT TO, OH MY GOD, CONDITIONS IN THE DOCKET, CONDITIONS THAT IN THE DOCKET.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOR YOUR MOTION.
VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALRIGHT, NUMBER SEVEN, MR. KERR.
THIS CASE NUMBER SEVEN IS, UH, CASE C 2 2 3 3 14.
IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1730 FOR AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT TO BE USED AS A PRIVATE CLUB BAR ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB AREA FOUR WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 360 6, THE BUCKNER SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT, AND AN IM INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF SOUTH BUCKNER BOULEVARD IN KIPLING DRIVE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL THREE YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
ROB BALDWIN, 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B IN DALLAS.
UH, I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE OWNER AND THE APPLICANT, UH, REQUESTING A EXTENSION OF THIS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THIS PROPERTY.
UM, AS COMMISSIONER CARBON BROUGHT UP, UH, THIS CLUB HAS HAD A CHECKERED PASSED.
UH, THE PREVIOUS OPERATOR IS IN JAIL AND IS NO LONGER ASSOCIATED WITH THIS CLUB.
UM, WE DID RUN CRIME STATS ON THIS IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE COMMISSIONER SHE DID WAS ABLE TO SHARE 'EM WITH YOU.
UH, WE FOUND NINE VIOLATIONS WITHIN 400 FEET OF THIS CLUB.
ONLY ONE WAS ATTACHED TO THIS CLUB WHEN THE PARKING LOT WAS A PUBLIC INTOX INTOXICATION, UH, ARREST.
ALL THE OTHERS WERE, UH, MOTOR VEHICLE ISSUES UP ON, ON BUCKNER AVENUE.
UM, THE OPERATORS ARE RUNNING A CLEAN CLUB.
UH, WE HOPE THAT YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS.
WE TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMITS.
SO THIS COMES BACK AND WE MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING'S RUN PROPERLY.
AND I HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK, UH, IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM? NO ONE ELSE ON MY SIDE.
ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.
QUESTIONS FROM MR. BALDWIN? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, MR. BALDWIN, THE, UM, SUP CONDITIONS SAY THAT THE CLUB CAN OPEN AS EARLY AS 11:00 AM BUT I NOTICED ON THE WEBSITE THAT THEY OPEN ON SOME DAYS AT 10:00 AM SO ARE YOU PROPOSING, UH, AMENDED HOURS IN THE SUP CONDITIONS? NO, MA'AM.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, UH, ASKING FOR ANY CHANGES TO THE SUP CONDITIONS.
AND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL YOU'RE GONNA BRING THEIR OPERATING HOURS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS THEN, RIGHT? THEY NEED, THEY NEED TO APPLY THE OPERATING HOURS ON THE SUP NEEDS TO BE WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND I'LL LET THEM KNOW THEY NEED TO UPDATE THEIR WEBSITE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER HERBERT? IS THERE A CONVERSATION OR A TALK ON, UM, SHORTENING THE SUP TIME FROM, FROM THE THREE YEARS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED? I'M SORRY, I ALREADY, I I, WOULD YOUR CLIENT CONSIDER SHORTENING THE SUP, UM, FROM THE THREE YEAR ASK MY CLIENT WILL, EVEN IF MY CLIENT COUNTERPART WOULD ACCEPT, PUT THAT UP.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. BALDWIN? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALRIGHT, CHAIR, DID YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 3 1 4.
I MOVE TO CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR AN SUP FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD WITH NO AUTOMATIC RENEWAL SUBJECT TO SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS.
NO THANK YOU CHAIR FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND, UH, YOUR COMMENTS CHAIR.
UH, I WANT TO THANK, UH, MR. BALDWIN AND, UH, IT IS TRUE THAT THIS, THIS SITE, UH, APPARENTLY THE, THE PREVIOUS MANAGEMENT HAD A, A SIDE BUSINESS GOING ON IN THIS, UH, AT THIS SITE.
UH, AND IRONICALLY, THE OWNER OF THIS BUILDING HAPPENS TO BE A PILLAR OF DISTRICT FIVE AND HAS BEEN AROUND, UH, THAT PART OF TOWN FOR PROBABLY 45 YEARS, UH, HAS SUPPORTED EVERY SINGLE CAUSE FOR 45 YEARS.
AND SO THIS WAS A, A TERRIBLE DISAPPOINTMENT TO HIM AND TO ALL OF US.
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I, UH, FULLY EXPECT THAT THAT HAS BEEN TURNED AROUND WITH THIS NEW MANAGEMENT TEAM.AND EITHER WAY, WE'LL SEE THEM BACK IN TWO YEARS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT, SEEING AND NONE, WE HAVE A MOTION BY CHAIR ADE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT TO, UM, APPROVE FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD WITHOUT ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
THIS IS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, CASE Z 2 23 DASH THREE 15.
AN APPLICATION FOR AN MU THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT WITH H 90 OAK CLIFF UNITED METHODIST CHURCH, HISTORIC DISTRICT, OH, EXCUSE ME, OVERLAY ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF EAST JEFFERSON BOULEVARD AND SOUTH MERC ME AVENUE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
I SEAT THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
ROB BALDWIN 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B IN DALLAS.
THIS IS A FAIRLY SIMPLE REQUEST.
UM, IT OAK CLIFF UNITED METHODIST CHURCH.
IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED REGIONAL RETAIL WITH A HISTORIC OVERLAY, H 90 ON IT.
UH, MY CLIENT WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY WOULD JUST LIKE TO CHANGE THE BASE ZONING FROM REGIONAL RETAIL TO MIXED USE TO ALLOW FOR THEM TO HAVE RESIDENCES IN THE THE BUILDING.
UM, THIS IS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
NOTHING CAN BE DONE TO THE INSIDE OR, OR NOTHING CAN BE DONE TO OUTSIDE THE BUILDING OR THE GROUNDS UNTIL THEY GO TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION BEFOREHAND.
THE INTERESTING THING IS, UH, IN RESEARCHING HISTORIC DISTRICT 90, IF YOU GO TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE, IT SAYS THAT IT CLEARLY HAS A STATE DESIGNATION PUT ON IN 1999.
AND THERE WAS A STATE, I MEAN A, A CITY LANDMARK PUT ON, BUT THE ONLY ORDINANCE LISTED IN THE, ON THE WEBSITE IS ABOUT A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2004, BUT IT, IT REFERENCES THE H 90 DESIGNATION.
I'VE CONTACTED THE HISTORIC DESIGNATE, HISTORIC PRESERVATION DEPARTMENT ASKING FOR THE H 90, UH, REGULATIONS.
THEY SENT ME THAT SAME ORDINANCE BACK AGAIN.
SO SOMEWHERE IN THE BOWELS OF THE PRESERVATION DEPARTMENT THERE IS THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE.
I DID LOOK AT THE DESIGNATION FORM THAT WAS, UH, THE BASIS FOR THE ORDINANCE AND IT DOES TALK ABOUT PRESERVING THE BUILDINGS IN, IN THE AREA.
SO CLEARLY WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ON THE PROPERTY UNTIL WE GO TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.
WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO DO A MIXED USE IN THE PROPERTY.
THE ONLY KNOWN, UH, ADDITION I'D NOTE TO THE BUILDING IS ABOUT A 70 SQUARE FOOT AWNING THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IN THE BACK TO COVER, UH, A DOORWAY SO PEOPLE CAN GET IN THERE WITHOUT GETTING WET.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AND SUPPORT? ANYONE HERE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR MR. BALDWIN? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
YOU COVERED PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT I HAD INVESTIGATED ON THIS CASE.
SO THE INTENT IS TO RETURN TO LANDMARK COMMISSION WITH YOUR PLANS TO THEN EVALUATE THE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE ADJACENT OR WITH THE, UM, EXISTING PROTECTIVE STRUCTURES? THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
UM, I THINK I SPOKE WITH YOU EARLIER AND YOU TOLD ME THAT YOU HAD COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOR THIS YEAH.
UH, WE DID, WE DID SEND OUT 78, UM, UH, NOTIFICATIONS AND WE GOT 12 BACK THAT OPPOSED IT.
UH, AND THEY WERE BASICALLY SAYING, WE DON'T WANT MULTIFAMILY.
HA HAVE YOU EN HAVE YOU ENCOUNTERED THAT? NO, SIR.
YOU KNOW, WE SENT OUT OUR OWN LETTERS AS WE DO WITH ALL OF OUR CASES.
NEVER HEARD ANY, ANYTHING BACK.
UM, AND I'VE SPOKEN WITH THE COMMISSIONER AND THE COUNCIL'S OFFICE AND THEY, THEY DID NOT KNOW OF ANY, UH, SO, UH, IF, IF THE, THE MAXIMUM MULTI NUMBER OF MULTI-FAMILY UNITS WE CAN GET IN, THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT 50, BUT IT COULD BE THAT IT TURNS TO ALL OFFICE.
WE JUST, WHAT THE ACTUAL END GAME'S GONNA BE FOR THIS.
WE JUST NEED THE FLEXIBILITY TO, UH, TO KNOW THAT REGIONAL RETAIL'S NOT THE RIGHT ANSWER FOR THIS.
UH, DON'T KNOW WHY THAT DESIGNATION GOT IN THERE TO BEGIN WITH.
UH, BUT, UH, IT COULD BE MULTIFAMILY, IT COULD BE A MIX OF MULTIFAMILY RESTAURANT AND OFFICE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER
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WHEELER, PLEASE? SO I, I KNOW THAT THE RECOMMENDATION SOMEBODY, MIKE IS ON THIS CITY HALL.I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T CATCH THAT.
SO SOMEBODY, MIKE WAS ON IT MAKING A, A MAJOR BACKDROP ON OUR END.
UM, SO, UH, SO IF, IF THEY'RE WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WANTING TO BE A MIXED USE, UM, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN PUT IT IN THE, UH, IN, IN, IN OUR, IN OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT, UH, IN ORDER TO HAVE A, UH, TO KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA BE A MIXED USE PROJECT AND NOT JUST, AND A MULTI-FAMILY, I MEAN, UM, APARTMENT COMPLEX TOTALLY.
THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO GIVE CO TO FINISH OUT THE, UM, THE COMMERCIAL, UM, THE COMMERCIAL PART OF THE BUILDING SO THAT IF HE CAN ENSURE THAT CAN KIND OF MEET WHAT THE, WHAT THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO HAVE REACHED OUT TO, UH, AND SENT IN.
THEY DIDN'T JUST WANT ALL MULTIFAMILY OR, UM, APARTMENT COMPLEX IN THEIR, IN THEIR AREA.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER, IF THAT QUESTION'S, FOR ME, IT'S A STRAIGHT ZONING CASE, SO YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
BUT I'M TOLD BY THE PLANNERS THAT THERE ARE INCENTIVES BUILT INTO THE MIXED USE THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK, I DON'T KNOW WHY, SOMETHING SOMEONE TOLD ME LAST WEEK, SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT THAT WE CAN STATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND MAYBE I'M, UM, AS FAR AS ON A MIXED USE PROJECT THAT, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCIES ALSO FOR THE MIX FOR THE COMMERCIAL, UM, SO THAT WE CAN ENSURE THAT THERE IS A, A, A COMMERCIAL ASPECT TO THE MIXED USE.
AND MAYBE THAT IS, MAYBE THAT'S BETTER.
IS THAT TRUE? I MEAN, THEY'LL NEED A CO FOR THEIR USE, BUT IN TERMS OF CAN YOU DO IT IN A STRAIGHT ZONING, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST, I THINK.
ARE WE STILL ON QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I, I, I THINK I WAS, I I DON'T KNOW THERE IS A LAB BACKDROP.
I THINK I MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION WHEN WE GET TO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
I I CAN SPEAK TO THAT IF IT'S OKAY.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING, I THINK THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS, NOT IN THIS CITY, BUT IN OTHER CITIES WHERE THEY DO HAVE A SEQUENCING, UH, COMPONENT WHERE YOU CAN'T DO X UNTIL YOU DO Y I'VE NEVER HAD THAT DONE HERE, BUT I THINK FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT OF YOU'RE IN A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, YOU CAN DO IT.
WE ARE NOT IN A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, SO I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO THAT.
BUT I WILL POINT OUT TO THE COMMISSION THAT, UH, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, MIXED JUICE IS ENCOURAGED HERE AND, UH, YOU GET MUCH BY PROVIDING MIXED JUICE, YOU GET GREATER DENSITY OF RESIDENTIAL.
AND SO THAT, THAT IS WHAT ENCOURAGES THE MIXED JUICE ON THE PROPERTY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, IF THE APPLICANT QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. CLINTON? I THINK THERE WAS A, A PIECE THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD.
YEAH, SO, UM, THERE ARE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUSES AVAILABLE TO THE APPLICANT, UM, SHOULD THEY DECIDE TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS.
AND, UM, THE APPLICANT IS, UH, INCENTIVIZED TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS BY RECEIVING, UH, BONUSES SUCH AS INCREASED DENSITY, INCREASED HEIGHT, AND UH, REDUCTIONS TO THE, UH, REQUIRED PARKING.
UM, ALTHOUGH WE CANNOT REQUIRE
MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU.
I THINK DURING OUR BRIEFING IT WAS MENTIONED THAT, UM, THIS IS A ZONING REVIEW AND THAT LANDMARK IS SEPARATE.
AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT LANDMARK, UM, HAS THEIR OWN SEPARATE REVIEW PROCESS, IS IT CORRECT THAT BOTH LANDMARK ORDINANCES AND OUR ZONING ORDINANCES ARE BOTH ZONING, ZONING OR LAND USE ARE BOTH ZONING? THAT'S CORRECT, YEAH.
BUT THE LANDMARK ORDINANCE IS ADMINISTERED BY A DIFFERENT TEAM IN A DIFFERENT PROCESS.
IT, IT SEEMS THEY OFTEN SPEAK TO EACH OTHER, SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR ON THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS?
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UH, SO I DID WANNA MAKE A COMMENT REGARDING THIS CASE NUMBER.UH, SO I LIVE IN THAT IMMEDIATE AREA ON THE CORNER OF DA UH, DEN.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WE NEVER RECEIVED LETTERS FROM OWNERSHIP REGARDING THIS CASE.
ALL WE RECEIVED WAS A LETTER FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS REGARDING PNZ TODAY, AND IT WAS MORE THAN JUST TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE AGAINST THIS PROPOSED PROJECT.
AS YOU CAN SEE AT THE TOP RIGHT, THERE'S A GROUP OF NEIGHBORS THAT CAME IN.
WE'RE, WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE MULTI-FAMILY IN THIS AREA.
I, I'M AWARE THAT THE ZONING IS MF TWO AND IT'S RR BUT I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY SUPPLY, WHETHER IT'S NEW DOWN DAVID STREET.
AND THEN THERE'S ALREADY OLDER APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT THAT ARE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ON MARS.
AND I'M AWARE THAT THOSE APARTMENTS RIGHT THERE, THEY DON'T REQUIRE SCREENINGS AND I JUST DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE LIVING CLOSER AND CLOSER AND CLOSER TO ANOTHER MIXED USE.
I DON'T WANT ANY MORE UNITS PRETTY MUCH IN THAT IMMEDIATE AREA.
CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? MY NAME IS ANGEL DIAZ, 5 0 4 EAST 10TH STREET.
UM, I, SO WE'LL, WE WILL, UH, TAKE A STEP BACK COMMISSIONERS AND GO BACK TO OUR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION.
WHAT IS HER NAME, DO YOU KNOW? OKAY, I'M GONNA TRANSLATE FOR, UM, THIS RESIDENT ACTUALLY HAS QUESTIONS REGARDING WHAT TYPE OF APARTMENTS ARE GOING TO BE THERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A CRIME WATCH GOING ON AND THEY'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT TYPE OF ACTUAL RESIDENCE OR MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO BE THERE.
I'M ASSUMING, COULD WE PLEASE HAVE HER NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? A DIAZ 5 0 4 EAST 10TH STREET.
I BELIEVE YOUR MIC IS OFF, MA'AM.
5 9 0 5 19 EAST 10TH, EAST 10TH STREET.
AND WHAT DID THEY ALL HAVE? THE SAME QUESTION.
THEY'RE ALL JUST UNIFIED AND THEY WON'T HAVE THE EXACT SAME QUESTION THAT A LADY BEFORE AND ALSO HAD LUCIA RIVERA DE 5 26 5, UH, 16 10TH STREET, 10TH STREET, GUADALUPE MENDEZ, AND HER ADDRESSES 108TH NORTH DENVER STREET, THAT WAS THE ROSA.
5 0 8 5 0 8 E, 10TH STREET E 10TH STREET.
SHE'S NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO TO DO.
SO BASICALLY THEY'RE ALL THE SAME.
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REPRESENTING THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD TO SAY THAT THEY'RE NOT IN AGREEMENT TO WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS GOING TO BE FOR THIS NEW AREA.UH, MR. PAUL, WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR THREE MINUTE REBUTTAL, SIR.
UM, CLEARLY I DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS HAPPENING AND I WOULD, UH, APPRECIATE IT IF THE COMMISSION WOULD GRANT A A 30 DAY, UH, POSTPONEMENT SO I CAN MEET WITH THEM AND SEE IF I CAN ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS.
UH, CAN YOU TRANSLATE THAT FOR THEM PLEASE? SURE.
UM, THE, OKAY, COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
COMMISSIONER FORSET, CAN I ASK A QUESTION TO THE, UH, NEIGHBOR? UH, WHY NOT PLEASE? UH, I, I, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT WAS THE GUY'S NAME? THAT BOY'S NAME? ANGEL, SIR, HE HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU.
CAN YOU,
I MEAN, WE WOULD JUST WANNA SEE MORE COMMERCIAL, JUST MAINLY COMMERCIAL.
UH, MY BIGGEST CONCERN ISN'T REALLY THE TYPE OF MULTI-FAMILY.
I MEAN, UH, I WOULD SAY MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS WHAT TYPE OF MARKET THEY'RE GONNA GO FOR, WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE AFFORDABLE MARKET RATE OR IF IT'S GONNA BE A PFC, WHICH IS A MIX OF BOTH.
UM, I JUST, WE JUST WANT TO BE AWARE OF LIKE WHAT TYPE OF TENANTS WE'RE GONNA HAVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I MEAN, THIS PROPERTY IS RIGHT ADJACENT TO OUR, ALL OF OUR HOUSES.
SO WE'VE BEEN CLEANING UP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE ALL WORK UP WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, WE WE'RE CLOSE TO BISHOP ARTS ENOUGH WHERE WE GET ENOUGH POLICE PRESENCE NOW.
UH, WE, I GREW UP THERE LIKE 23 YEARS OF LIFE AND, UH, THE LAST FIVE YEARS IT'S BEEN BETTER AND WE JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT TYPE OF TENANTS AND WHAT TYPE OF PRODUCT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE.
FAIR ENOUGH, QUICK QUESTIONS FOR, UH, MR. BALDWIN OR OUR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION.
QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OH, I'M SORRY.
UM, I, IT IS GONNA BE, UM, COMMISSIONER, UM, SO WOULD YOU, I'LL BE OPEN TO, UH, WAITING THAT 30 DAYS AND TALKING WITH THE, UM, UM, MR. BALDWIN AND, AND THEN COMING BACK.
WOULD THAT BE BETTER FOR YOU ALL? DO THAT? I THINK I'M, I'M TALKING TO THE, UH, THE GROUP THAT CAME IN.
OPPOSITION, THE YOUNG MAN COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
THE, THE INTERNET IS SPOTTY AND WE'RE NOT CATCHING YOUR QUESTION.
IF YOU, IF YOU CAN GIMME A CALL, I CAN PUT YOU ON SPEAKER.
IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE YOUR MOBILE PHONE, I'LL CALL YOU NOW.
LET ME, LET ME, OKAY, WELL SHE'S GETTING THAT, UH, HER PHONE.
I'LL INTERPRET COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PLEASE.
I THINK SHE WAS ASKING WAS THE GROUP OKAY WITH THE 30 DAY HOLD? THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD AND THAT'S WHAT I ASKED THEM AND THEY SAID THEY'RE FINE WITH THE 30 DAY HOLD.
COMMISSIONER
UH, WHO IS GOING TO CONTACT THEM? IS IT GONNA BE MR. BALDWIN OR JUST EXPLAIN TO THE FOLKS THAT MR. WILL CONTACT THEM AND EXPLAIN TO THEM IN DETAIL WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THERE.
AND IN 30 DAYS THEY'RE WELCOME TO COME BACK AND AND OPINE ON ON WHAT THEY HEARD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY, SEE NONE.
COMMISSIONER S SHERN, YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? THANK YOU.
IN THE MATTER OF CASE NUMBER Z 2 2 3 315, I MOVE THAT WE HOLD THIS 30 DAYS TO, SO THE, UH, APPLICANT CAN WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY.
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POSSIBLY HOLD THIS UNDER ADVISEMENT TO A DATE CERTAIN JUNE 6TH IS IT TO JUNE 6TH? JUNE 6TH, HELD 30 DAYS? UH, OR JUNE 6TH.THANK YOU VERY MUCH COMMISSIONER.
HONOR FOR YOUR MOTION COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS? I HAVE A COMMENT, PLEASE.
I WAS ACTUALLY HESITANT TO HOLD THIS OVER BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE HERE TO DECIDE WHETHER THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE LAND USE.
I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TODAY TO DECIDE THAT.
I WANNA BE VERY RESPECTFUL TO THE OPPOSITION THAT CAME OUT.
UM, AND I APPRECIATE YOU WANTING TO WORK WITH THEM.
UM, BUT HOLDING CASES OVER IS GETTING IS I BELIEVE SOMETHING THAT WE DO TOO EASILY.
AND I COULD SEE THAT MY FELLOW PLAN COMMISSIONERS WERE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION AND I WANTED TO BE ALSO RESPECTFUL FOR THEM TO HELP THEM COME TO A DECISION.
BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE ACTUALLY DID HAVE THE ANSWER TODAY.
HAVING SAID THAT, I WOULD LIKE, I WISH YOU LUCK WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? UH, VICE CHAIR WE WOULD FOLLOW.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT? UM, COMMISSIONER HERBERT.
I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE, THE OPPOSITION FOR COMING IN, THE YOUNG MAN FOR REPRESENTING THEM, UH, THAT WAS, UM, THAT'S NEEDED IN OUR COMMUNITY AND I WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT THIS IS THEIR HOME JUST AS WELL AS IS OURS.
SO THANK YOU MR. BALDWIN FOR RESPECTING THAT.
SO WHAT'S THE, THE LAST THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE EXTENDED FOR 30 DAYS.
YOU'RE GONNA MAKE YOUR DECISION TODAY? IT IS, IT IS.
JUST HOPING YOU COULD TRANSLATE FOR THEM OR USE.
SO YOU ARE GOING TO EXTEND IT FOR 30 DAYS.
I THINK THEY LEFT, BUT I, MR. BALDWIN'S GONNA BE IN CHARGE, IN CONTACT WITH HIM.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? I, UM, I, I AM, I AM IN SUPPORT OF, OF US HOLDING IT, BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS TIMES LIKE THIS THAT WE SHOULD HOLD CASES WHERE THERE WASN'T SOME TYPE OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE ACTUAL APPLICANT AND THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO IN THESE CASES TO VOTE ON 'EM AND THE, AND THE, AND THE OPPOSITION IS NOT TOTALLY AGAINST IT.
THEY JUST WANT TO HEAR MORE INFORMATION.
THOSE ARE THE TIMES THAT WE DO HOLD, ESPECIALLY DURING A TIME THAT WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS AND THAT WE CAN LOOK AT A, A COMMON GROUND BETWEEN COMMUNITY AND AN APPLICANT.
WE DEFINITELY SHOULD HOLD AND NOT VOTE JUST BECAUSE WE MIGHT, BECAUSE WE, THE OPPOSITION CAME TODAY, THE OPPOSITION CAME AND NOT WITH THE FULL EXTENT THAT THEY NECESSARILY DON'T WANT ALL WITH NO, UM, UM, UM, MULTI-FAMILY.
WHAT THEY ARE WANTING IS MORE CLARITY AND THESE ARE THE TIMES THAT WE DO HOLD THE CASE.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T JUST PASS THEM BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE THAT THERE IS MORE INFO THAT THE INFORMATION WE GOT TODAY WAS JUST 100% SOLID.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, SEE YOU.
IT TAKES US TO CASE NUMBER 11.
THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 11, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 1 37.
AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R 7.5.
A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE EAST LINE OF SOUTHEAST 14TH STREET, SOUTH OF SKYLINE ROAD.
STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THIS ITEM IS GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION SIR? I DO.
I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL THE JUNE 20TH, UM, CASE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HER FOR YOUR MOTION.
I HAVE SECONDED ANY COMMENTS AND NONE.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES CASE NUMBER 12.
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THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 12, CASE NUMBER Z 2 34 DASH 1 42.AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION ON PROPERTY ZONE IN R 16, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE WEST SIDE OF EDGEMERE ROAD BETWEEN LONG HAVEN ROAD AND ROYALTON DRIVE.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 12, PAGE FIVE.
QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION SIR? I'M SORRY.
I'M ON THE, UM, I'M ON THE DOCKET TO SPEAK.
IS THIS MS. UH, MS. WINING? NO, THIS IS COOK CASEY.
OKAY, WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
FIRST OF ALL, COULD YOU PLEASE TURN ON YOUR CAMERA, MA'AM? OH, SURE.
UM, I DON'T SEE WHERE TO DO IT.
THERE SHOULD BE A LITTLE TOGGLE THERE.
UM, ACTUALLY ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS AND I WERE INFORMED THAT THIS PARTICULAR, UM, ITEM WAS GOING TO BE MOVED TO A LATER DATE, WHICH IS WHY MOST OF US ARE NOT THERE IN PERSON.
SO DO YOU NEED ME TO TALK NOW OR ON MAY 16TH? COMPLETELY UP TO YOU.
YOU CAN TALK NOW AND YOU CAN TALK THEN.
IS IT APPROVED TO MOVE TO MAY 16TH? I, IT, IT WILL BE, YES.
IT IT, THE MOTION HAS NOT BEEN MADE.
THAT'S AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
WELL, I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, WELL FIRST OF ALL, UM, NONE OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN INFORMED WITH, HAVE BEEN PROVIDED WITH ANY DETAIL WHATSOEVER.
UM, WITH WHAT ENCORE'S INTENTIONS ARE, WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BUILD, HOW BIG IS IT GONNA BE? THEY HAVE ASKED FOR THE LENGTH OF OUR BLOCK OF LAND.
SO, UM, IF THEY'RE INTENDING TO USE THE ENTIRE THING, IT'S GOING TO BE A MONSTROSITY.
UM, MANY OF US, THE AREA THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IS A GREEN AREA WHERE BOTH WILDLIFE, UM, IT'S LEFT WILD IN, UH, FOR MONTHS AT A TIME AND IT'S FULL OF WILDLIFE AND, UM, IT'S ALSO THE NORTH HAVEN TRAIL.
AND SO MANY OF US MOVED THERE AND OR BUILT THERE FOR THAT SPECIFIC REASON.
I HAVE A FENCE THAT IS SEE-THROUGH BECAUSE IT IS A BEAUTIFUL GREEN SPACE THAT WE WANT TO ENJOY.
UM, I AM IN THIS SITUATION WHERE I OWNED A HOME DOWN THE TRAIL PRIOR TO THIS ONE.
AND, UM, IT WAS ADJACENT TO A SUBSTATION AND THE HOUSE NEXT TO MINE WAS BACKED UP DIRECTLY TO A SUBSTATION.
WHEN ENCORE DID THEIR IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT ONE, THEY TORE DOWN ALL OF THE GREENERY THAT COVERED THE TOWERS.
AND, UM, WHEN I MOVED OUT OF THAT HOME, I RENTED IT FOR MANY YEARS.
UM, I HAD A VERY DIFFICULT TIME KEEPING RENTERS IN THERE BECAUSE FIVE OUT OF SIX, UM, PEOPLE WHO WENT TO SEE IT IMMEDIATELY SAID, NO THANK YOU BECAUSE OF THE SUBSTATION.
AND THEN WHEN I WENT TO SELL THE HOUSE, I RECEIVED, IT WAS ALMOST A HALF AN ACRE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THOSE LOTS GO, THEY'RE VERY, VERY, UM, MARKETABLE TO BUILDERS.
AND I RECEIVED AT LEAST $200,000 BELOW MARKET VALUE IN COMP IN COMPARISON TO OTHER HOMES, UM, WITH THE SAME LOT SIZE BECAUSE OF THE SUBSTATION.
I WAS TOLD TO SPECIFICALLY BY MULTIPLE BUILDERS THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE INTERESTED IN THAT LOT BECAUSE OF THE SUBSTATION.
MY NEIGHBOR WHO BACKED UP TO IT.
IT WAS CATEGORY, LIKE I HAD A LITTLE BIT OF VIEW, A VIEW OF IT.
MY NEIGHBOR WHO BACKED DIRECTLY UP TO IT, RECEIVED AT LEAST $400,000, UM, BELOW MARKET VALUE WHEN SHE SOLD.
SO IF ENCORE IS GIVEN CARTE BLANC TO BUILD WHATEVER THAT THEY WANT
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IN THIS AREA, IT IS GONNA RESULT IN A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN THE HOME VALUES FOR ALL OF THE HOMES THAT BACK UP TO THIS AREA.LEMME SEE IF HE'S GOT IT ON HERE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO JUST, UM, YOU CAN FLIP THROUGH WITH THE ARROWS.
CAN I LOWER THAT? OH, JUST, OH, OKAY.
SO SHALL I BEGIN? OKAY, PLEASE DO.
UM, THE SUBSTATION OCCURS IN A VERY ACTIVE AREA.
THERE'S THE NORTH HAVEN TRAIL, WHICH IS VERY ACTIVE AND SEPARATES INTO TWO PATHS THAT FLANKS THE STATION.
THEN IT MERGES INTO ONE PATH THAT CROSSES EDGEMERE, AND THEN YOU CAN KINDA SEE THE LITTLE PINK RECTANGLES THAT'S THE LOADING, UNLOADING AREA FOR DELEY SCHOOLS.
SO IT'S VERY ACTIVE THERE AS WELL.
AND SUP PLANS WERE VERY CONCEPTUAL AND JUST SHOWED, UH, TWO LARGE TRANSFORMERS AND NEW FENCING WITH GATES, THE ORANGE AREAS WHERE THE SUBSTATION IS.
YOU CAN SEE HOW ACTIVE EDGE MIRROR IS FROM THESE PHOTOS.
AND THE TRAIL CROSSING ACTUALLY HAS TWO LITTLE, SOME MEDIANS THAT HELP PREVENT CARS FROM PARKING THERE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SAFELY CROSS, UH, THE TRAIL.
SO IT'S TO KEEP VISIBILITY, YOU KNOW, SOME CARS BLOCKING.
SO THAT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED AND WE NEED THAT EXAMINED BY THE NEXT SET OF PLANS.
AND OF COURSE, THE, UH, TRAIL ITSELF IS VERY ACTIVE SINCE IT CONNECTS NOW TO A WHITE ROCK TRAIL.
AND ALSO THIS AREA IS VERY FLAT AND DRAINAGE IS, IS IMPORTANT.
IN FACT, THE TRAIL OCCURS IN THE DRAINAGE EASEMENTS THAT FLANK THE STATIONS AND THERE'S EXISTING DRAINAGE CHANNELS AND THE EXPANSION IS ACTUALLY GOING TOWARDS THAT DRAINAGE CHANNEL.
SO DRAINAGE PLANS, GRADING AND DRAINAGE PLANS NEED TO BE SUBMITTED FOR OUR REVIEW.
ANOTHER ITEM OF CONCERN IS THE EXISTING LIVE OAKS THAT REALLY HELP SCREEN THE STATION.
THERE'S 22 LIVE OAKS THAT SURROUND THE STATION AND THEY PROVIDE AN EXCELLENT SCREEN.
AND, UM, IN FACT, ON THE LOWER RIGHT PHOTO, YOU CAN SEE THAT'S ACTUALLY THE TRAIL NEXT TO THE SUBSTATION AS IT, IT SHARES THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT THERE.
AND, UM, THE, IN THE UPPER RIGHT, THAT'S THE COMMUNITY SPACE OR GREEN SPACE THAT, UH, ENCORE SAYS THAT THEY WILL PROTECT IN THEIR, UH, LANGUAGE ON THE SUP.
BUT IF TREES ARE REMOVED, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA SEE THOSE PLANS, LANDSCAPE PLANS, AND THEY SHOULD BE REPLACED, UH, WITH A MINIMUM EIGHT INCH CALIBER PER TREE.
SO WE CAN HAVE IMMEDIATE SCREENING.
AND THIS IS A ENLARGEMENT AREA.
THE IS THE EXISTING CHAIN LINK AND THE ORANGE IS WHERE THEY'RE PROVI, UH, PROPOSING TO EXPAND WITH GATES.
THERE'S NO VEHICULAR ACCESS TO THAT.
THERE'S NO PLANS ON THAT AND THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED.
AND THEN FINALLY, THIS HUGE RED AREAS WHERE THEY WANT TO REZONE.
BUT THE ORANGE AREA IS JUST WHERE THE CON ANY OF THE CONSTRUCTION IS OCCURRING.
AND THAT WHY, WHY DO THEY NEED SO MUCH? AND WE WANNA SEE PLANS FOR THESE AREAS TO KNOW WHY THEY'RE REQUESTING SO MUCH LAND.
UH, UH, OUR LAST REGISTERED SPEAKERS, HE ONLINE, MR. WINING, IS MR. WINING ONLINE.
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QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? QUESTION, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? JUST ONE NOTE QUESTION THAT WILL MAYBE HELP.UH, COMMISSIONER PEL, HE MOVES ON HERE WITH THESE COMMITTEE MEETINGS.
UH, THE ZONING REQUEST IS FOR THE ENTIRE PIECE OF PROPERTY, UH, ALTHOUGH THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY WHAT'S GOING TO BE CHANGED, IT'S JUST THEY HAVE TO NOTICE IT THAT WAY BECAUSE IT IS ONE, ONE PROPERTY.
SO IF YOU CAN STILL SEE THE PRESENTATION ON THE SCREEN, UH, WHICH I'M GLAD IT'S STILL UP THERE, THE RED HIGHLIGHTED AREA OR THE RED BOUNDARY I IS THE AREA OF REQUEST.
HOWEVER, UM, THEY ARE ONLY PROPOSING TO DO WORK WITHIN THAT SMALL ORANGE, UM, HIGHLIGHTED, UH, ZONE THERE.
SO NONE OF THE CONSTRUCTION WOULD ENCROACH UPON ANY OF THE EXISTING TRAILS OR GREEN SPACES OR WALKWAYS, WHICH IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT I WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY PUT INTO THEIR, UH, SUP CONDITIONS.
YOU WERE EXACTLY SPOT ON WITH YOUR PRESENTATION THERE.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT PLEASE? YEAH, FOR MR. CLINTON.
UM, IN THE DRAFT, UH, ORDINANCE, I DON'T SEE ANY MENTION OF, OF, UH, ARTICLE 10.
IS IT, ARE THEY NOT SUBJECT TO LANDSCAPE IN ARTICLE 10? UM, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
SO THEY, THEY ARE NOT DUE TO, UM, THE ACTUAL LAND USE AND NO, MY, OKAY.
UH, DUE TO THE ACTUAL LAND USE, UM, AND THE SURROUNDING, UM, UH, THE SURROUNDING USES.
SO THEY'RE NOT MR. CHAIR? YES.
UM, MR. CLINTON, ONE FOLLOW UP.
THE SITE PLAN THAT'S IN OUR DOCKET DOESN'T APPEAR TO REFLECT THE FULL REQUEST AREA.
IT'S FOCUSED IN ON THE, THE ORANGE BOX THAT WE SEE.
WILL THERE BE AN OVERALL DEFINITION OF THE SITE PLAN THAT INDICATES THE EXTENTS VERSUS THE IMPROVEMENT AREA? I DIDN'T QUE I DIDN'T CATCH THE LAST PART OF THAT.
CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? WELL, IT'S JUST THE SITE PLAN THAT'S IN THE DOCKET DOESN'T REFLECT THE FULL REQUEST AREA.
NO, THE SITE PLAN THAT'S IN THE DOCKET REFLECTS THE, UM, HIGHLIGHTED ORANGE AREA, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS, UH, PRESENTATION HERE.
SO, AGAIN, ONLY, THERE'S ONLY GONNA BE WORK BEING DONE IN THAT SMALL, UH, PIECE OF THE, UH, AREA OF REQUEST.
BUT I THINK TYPICALLY, DON'T WE SEE THE FULL AREA OF THE REQUEST AS A PART OF OUR SITE PLAN FOR AN SUP? AND THAT MIGHT BRING SOME CLARITY AS WELL.
UN I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UM, I THINK, RYAN, YOU WANNA JUMP IN? YEAH.
SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
UM, THE APPLICANT CAN EITHER AMEND THEIR SITE PLAN TO SHOW THE FULL, UH, PARCEL THAT THIS REQUEST IS ON, UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST SORT OF, UH, HIGHLIGHT THE PORTION WHERE WORK IS ACTUALLY BEING DONE.
UM, THE OTHER OPTION, WHICH, UM, ACTUALLY MIGHT BE BETTER, UH, AND UH, CREATE MORE COMFORTABILITY WITH NEIGHBORS IS IF THEY RATHER AMENDED THEIR PROPERTY DESCRIPTION, THE AREA TO WHICH THE, UH, SUP WOULD ACTUALLY APPLY TO JUST BE THE AREA, UH, THAT'S SHOWN ON THE CURRENT VERSION OF THE SITE PLAN.
UH, WE DO THAT SOMETIMES WITH SUVS.
IF WE HAVE, UM, JUST ONE SUITE IN A LARGE SHOPPING CENTER THAT'S GOING TO HAVE AN SUP TO SELL ALCOHOL, UH, WE DON'T APPLY THE SUP TO THE FULL SHOPPING CENTER PROPERTY, WE JUST APPLY IT TO THAT ONE SUITE.
UM, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE WISEST THING TO DO HERE IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO REVISE THEIR PROPERTY DESCRIPTION.
AND I, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WOULD REQUIRE RE NOTICING BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A SMALLER AREA THAN THE AREA THAT WAS ORIGINALLY NOTICED.
AND DANIEL'S NODDING HIS HEAD YES.
UM, IS IT CORRECT THAT ON OTHER SIMILAR UTILITY RATE RELATED SUVS THAT WE'VE CONSIDERED LANDSCAPE PROVISIONS TO HELP ENSURE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA? UM, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I'M, I'M NOT, UH, SUPER FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
UM, THE, UH, HAPPY TO PROVIDE A REFERENCE.
THE, THE SUP WILL BE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW, UH, OUR ALL ARTICLE 10 LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, AND THEN OF COURSE, UM, ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING CONDITIONS COULD BE ADDED TO THE SUP AS LONG AS THEY WERE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN ARTICLE 10.
I THINK I JUST HEARD THAT, UM, ARTICLE 10 WOULDN'T APPLY FOR THE UTILITIES, WHICH SEEMS WHY IT MAY BE IMPORTANT