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OKAY.

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CAN, UM, ELIANA, CAN YOU START US OFF WITH THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

UH, WE'RE GONNA BEGIN WITH DISTRICT ONE.

HE IS HERE.

DISTRICT TWO ONLINE.

ONLINE.

COMMISSIONER TON'S.

ONLINE.

DISTRICT THREE.

I'M HERE.

DISTRICT FOUR.

DISTRICT ONE'S HERE.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT FIVE, PRESENT.

DISTRICT SIX.

DISTRICT SEVEN.

DISTRICT EIGHT.

SHE'S HERE IN THE BACK.

DISTRICT NINE.

I'M HERE.

NINE IS HERE.

DISTRICT 10.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT 11.

DISTRICT 12.

SHE'S ON THERE.

DISTRICT 13 HERE.

DISTRICT 14 HERE, ALSO HERE.

AND DISTRICT 15.

HE'S HERE.

THE BACK.

OKAY, SIR, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A QUORUM.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.

UH, GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.

TODAY IS THURSDAY, MAY 2ND, 2024, 9:05 AM UH, WELCOME TO THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, AS ALWAYS, UH, THIS IS JUST A TIME FOR QUESTIONS.

UH, WE'LL KEEP ALL OUR COMMENTS TO THE BRIEF TO THE HEARING THIS AFTERNOON.

UH, JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS BEFORE WE GET STARTED, UH, THIS AFTERNOON.

THE VERY LAST ITEM, NUMBER 46, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME, SOME SPECIAL VISITORS WITH US TODAY.

SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE THAT ITEM UP.

UH, PROBABLY NOT TO THE VERY TOP, BUT, UH, DEFINITELY NOT AT THE END.

UH, SO BE AWARE OF THAT.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, UH, SOME INTERPRETERS COMING IN FOR THREE CASES.

SO DEPENDING ON THE TIME, WE MAY HAVE TO MOVE THOSE, THOSE AROUND A LITTLE BIT.

UH, WE'RE

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GONNA GO AHEAD AND START OFF WITH OUR, OUR BRIEFING, THE FORWARD DALLAS PIECE, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

AND WITH THAT, GENTLEMEN, WE'RE READY.

GOOD MORNING.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.

GOOD MORNING.

UH, SO TODAY'S DISCUSSION IS GONNA BE CONTINUATION OF OUR LAST WORKSHOP IN APRIL.

UH, THERE WERE TWO SECTIONS THAT WE NEEDED TO DISCUSS AND GET YOUR COMMENTS ON.

UH, THOSE WERE THE HOUSING AND THE URBAN DESIGN, UH, IMPLEMENTATION SECTIONS.

UH, SO BASICALLY JUST GONNA OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION, UH, SUGGESTIONS AND TALK THROUGH, UM, ANY EDITS THAT YOU FEEL SHOULD BE INCORPORATED.

UH, WHAT OUR TEAM'S GONNA DO AFTER WE GET ALL THE, THE FEEDBACK FROM TODAY, WE'RE GONNA BE DEVELOPING A PRESENTATION THAT HAS ALL OF THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU ALL PRESENTED TO US.

AND WE'LL COME BACK BEFORE YOU ALL AND TALK THROUGH EACH OF THOSE, GET DIRECTION ON WHICH WAY TO GO.

AND THEN OUR TEAM WILL UPDATE THE DOCUMENT PER YOUR DIRECTION.

SO TODAY IS GONNA BE THE LAST DAY OF GETTING THAT FEEDBACK FROM THE CURRENT PLAN DOCUMENT.

AFTER WE GET THAT FEEDBACK, WE'LL PRESENT ALL THE INPUT BACK TO YOU ALL, HAVE YOU ALL PRESENT, UM, HAVE YOU ALL DECIDE, DETERMINE WHERE WE SHOULD GO, UH, FROM A DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLAN PERSPECTIVE, AND THEN WE'LL GO FORWARD, UH, MAKING THOSE CHANGES.

SO, SO WITH THAT, UH, IF YOU HAVE THE PDF OR THE PRINTOUT WHERE, AND THE HOUSING, UH, CHOICE AND ACCESS, UM, PART OF THE DOCUMENT, I'M GONNA SHARE THAT JUST FOR REFERENCE FOR THOSE ONLINE.

GIMME ONE SECOND.

AND JUST LIKE BEFORE, UH, JUST OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSIONS, UH, REGARDING ANY REVIEW OR INPUTS THAT YOU ALL HAD ON THAT PARTICULAR, UM, SPREAD.

COMMISSIONER FORSYTH REGARDING ITEM NUMBER TWO, LAWRENCE, UH, CAN YOU, OH, ARE YOU SPEAKING TO MIC, SIR? I'M SORRY.

CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, EXPLORE UPDATING THE DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ALLOW ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN, UH, WHAT IS MEANT BY THIS? UH, UH, WHEN I READ THIS, IT, IT, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE'RE ADVOCATING FOR ADUS BY RIGHT IN, IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

IS IS THAT THE, UH, CORRECT INTERPRETATION OR NOT? NO.

SO, UM, IN TERMS OF THIS PARTICULAR LANGUAGE, TWO THINGS HAVE HAPPENED.

ONE THAT BY RIGHT LANGUAGE WAS CHANGED WITH, UH, CLUB DURING THE LAST REVIEW.

AND THEN TWO, THIS SAYS, AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THIS PLAN, UH, INITIATE A, A, A PUBLIC PROCESS TO DISCUSS A DU.

SO IT'S MORE BRINGING THAT BACK UP TO THE DISCUSSION TO THE PUBLIC TO HELP DETERMINE WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN WITH ADUS, UM, IN, IN, UH, RESIDENTIAL, IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.

CAN YOU READ EXACTLY WHAT THE NEW LANGUAGE IS, PLEASE? SO FOR THOSE ONLINE, IT SAYS, EXPLORE UPDATING DEVELOPMENT CODE, UH, TO ACCESSORY TO EXPLORE UPDATING THE DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ALLOW ACCESSORY DRILLING UNITS IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS AND INCORPORATE DESIGN STANDARDS TO ENSURE NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY.

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WELL, YEAH, THAT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT, WHAT I READ.

UH, THAT'S WHAT I'M, I, I SEE ON THE, ON THE DRAFT THAT I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME.

UH, CAN, SORRY, CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT? YEAH.

THE, THE, THE FOLKS ONLINE WON'T BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU, SIR.

IF YOU CAN PULL THAT, YOU CAN PULL IT FORWARD IF YOU LIKE.

OKAY.

OKAY.

UH, THESE, PERFECT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

SO, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT, IT DOESN'T, UH, STATE, UH, UH, THE CURRENT PROCESS REQUIRES ADUS TO BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, RIGHT? THE YES, COMMISSIONER, RIGHT NOW, UM, IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A, SO TAKING A QUICK STEP BACK, UM, BECAUSE A DU IS A TERM THAT SOME PEOPLE KNOW AND SOME PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, BUT AN A DU IS AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, UM, THAT INCLUDES A STRUCTURE THAT IS SEPARATE FROM YOUR HOUSE, THAT HAS A BATHROOM, A KITCHEN, AND A BEDROOM HAS TO HAVE ALL THREE OF THOSE, RIGHT? RIGHT.

NOW, YOU CAN GO OUT THERE AND YOU CAN BUILD A STRUCTURE THAT HAS JUST TWO OF THOSE.

UM, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET ANY SPECIAL PERMISSION IF IT HAS ALL THREE OF THOSE, YOU HAVE TO GET SPECIAL PERMISSION FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.

UM, IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, THE MEMBERS OF THE ZONING BOARD OF ADU ADJUSTMENT, IT'S A QUASI-JUDICIAL BOARD, UM, UH, MADE UP OF APPOINTED INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS FROM THE, FROM, FROM DALLAS.

UM, AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO AND GET PERMISSION FROM THAT BOARD TO BUILD A STRUCTURE WITH ALL THREE OF THOSE IN THERE.

UM, TO BE QUITE HONEST, UM, NOT A LOT OF FOLKS GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

UM, BECAUSE IT IS A LENGTHY PROCESS.

THERE IS SOME FEE, EXCUSE ME, THERE ARE SOME FEES INVOLVED WITH IT.

AND SO MOST FOLKS, AND I SPEAK FROM, UM, WORKING IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, MOST FOLKS JUST CHOOSE TO BUILD A STRUCTURE WITH JUST TWO OF THOSE IN THERE, IF THEY DO CHOOSE TO BUILD SOMETHING AND NOT GO THROUGH THAT BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT PROCESS.

UM, SO NUMBER TWO HERE, IT SAYS, WE NEED TO EXPLORE WHAT THIS PROCESS IS.

IS IT WORKING THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING OR IS IT NOT WORKING THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING? UM, IT DOESN'T SAY THAT WE SHOULD ALLOW THESE BY, RIGHT? BUT IT DOES SAY WE NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION TO SAY, WHAT SHOULD ADUS AND STRUCTURES LIKE ADUS LOOK LIKE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS? HOW, HOW SHOULD THEY BE ALLOWED? HOW SHOULD THEY NOT BE ALLOWED? ARE THERE DESIGN PARAMETERS THAT WE COULD INCORPORATE, UM, THAT WOULD SATISFY SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS, OR ARE THERE NOT? IT SAYS THAT WE SHOULD BE HAVING THAT CONVERSATION.

AND THEN TO JUST, I THINK, ADD TO KIND OF WHAT, UH, PATRICK MENTIONED.

I THINK ANOTHER QUESTION THAT'S BEHIND YOUR QUESTION, UM, WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING TO EXPLORE AND CLARIFY WHAT THIS IS, THIS INTENT IS.

SO ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, SUGGESTION, JUST ADD NOTES ON HERE, IS, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THIS PLAN, INITIATE A PUBLIC PROCESS TO DISCUSS, UH, ADUS AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS AND ESTABLISH UPDATED A DU REGULATIONS TO ADDRESS SCALE, FORM DESIGN, ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO MAYBE ENHANCE THE WAY THAT THIS IS, UH, CURRENTLY WORDED, BECAUSE I THINK JUST, IT'S, IT'S STILL A LITTLE BIT VAGUE.

SO MAYBE BRINGING THAT MORE DETAIL WOULD HELP WITH ADDRESSING YOUR, YOUR CONCERNS AND YOUR QUESTION.

THE, I I THINK THE COMMUNITY CONCERN THOUGH IS, IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN FOLKS READ THIS, THEY, THEY FEEL THAT THIS IS SAYING THAT WE'RE ADVOCATING ADUS BY RIGHT.

IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS.

NOTED.

CAN I ALSO ASK YOU TO EXPLAIN, UH, WHAT IS MEANT BY ITEM NUMBER THREE, EXPLORE THE CREATION OF INFILL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO ALLOW APPROPRIATE SCALED INFIELD HOUSING AND DESIGNATED AREAS.

I MEAN, THAT, THAT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A KIND OF A REPEAT OF THE, UH, INFILL DEVELOPMENT, UH, PHRASE OR SENTENCE THAT'S IN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTION THAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO, UH, ELIMINATE.

SO THAT IS, UH, SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A COUPLE OF, WELL, WE HAVE A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS.

WE GOT MORE THAN 50 OF THEM.

UM, BUT NONE OF THEM REALLY CAPTURE WHAT THE MARKET IS DOING WHEN PEOPLE ARE DOING MORE OF THAT URBAN INFILL STYLE DEVELOPMENT.

UM, WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT STYLE OF DEVELOPMENT, USUALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU ASK FOR A PD AND YOU COME IN FOR, YOU KNOW, COME BEFORE CPC AND YOU SAY, THIS IS EXACTLY HOW WE'RE GONNA CREATE THIS TYPE OF UNIT KNOW SEVEN UNIT DEVELOPMENT, OR EIGHT UNIT DEVELOPMENT, OR 12 UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

BUT IT DOESN'T MATCH OUR SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

IT DOESN'T MATCH OUR MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

IT DOESN'T QUITE FIT IN WITH ANY OF THOSE.

SO THAT STATEMENT SAYS THAT WE SHOULD EX, LIKE, WE SHOULD LOOK AT CREATING A BASE ZONING DISTRICT THAT SOMEONE CAN COME IN AND REZONE THEIR PROPERTY TO INSTEAD OF A PD, BUT CREATE A ZONING DISTRICT THAT MATCHES THAT MORE INFILL STYLE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS HAPPENING WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS CURRENTLY.

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ALSO TO ADD TO THAT, I THINK, UH, A GRAPHIC THAT YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH IS, UH, WHEN YOU SEE ELM THICKET, YOU KNOW, THE, THAT CASE WHERE YOU HAVE THE, THAT OLDER RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE NEWER, UH, RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE RIGHT BESIDE EACH OTHER, UM, THE CURRENT, I GUESS, ZONING RIGHT ON ON THERE IS THE SAME, BUT WE GOTTA THINK ABOUT MORE CONTEXTUAL, UM, KIND OF INFILL ZONING STANDARDS THAT HELP WITH THAT, UM, TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WHERE YOU DO KIND OF, WHEN YOU PLOP A NEW, UH, UH, UNIT IN A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S EXISTING OR, UH, HAS A PARTICULAR SCALE, SOMETHING THAT MATCHES AND, AND, AND STILL WORKS WITH THAT.

SO CURRENTLY WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, FOUR DALLAS, WE SCRAP THIS, LIKE, THAT'S STILL HAPPENING.

SO WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT, UM, THROUGH, YOU KNOW, UH, FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS.

COMMISSIONER HOFFER, COMMISSIONER RUBIN, UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON ADUS, UH, WHEN I WAS SERVING ON ZO OAC.

WE COVERED ADUS FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

UH, AND I WANT A COUPLE OF THINGS.

ONE IS THEY EXIST ALL OVER THE CITY AND, AND THE CITY HAS NO CLUE HOW MANY ARE ALREADY THERE.

SO, BUT THE OTHER THING IS, UM, I THINK THAT DISCUSSION DIDN'T, DID NOT LEAD TO ANYTHING.

I THINK IT WAS SORT OF TABLED.

WOULD, WOULD WHAT YOU WERE JUST SPEAKING ABOUT, WOULD THAT BE A CONTINUATION OF THAT DISCUSSION? A DU? CORRECT.

YES.

YES, IT'D BE, YEAH.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

COMMISSIONER RUBIN.

YEAH.

FOLLOWING UP ON NUMBER TWO, THE A DU ITEM WHEN CLUB PASSED OR PASSED ALONG FORWARD DALLAS TO THE PLAN COMMISSION, ITEM NUMBER TWO REFERRED TO A CODE AMENDMENT TO ALLOW ADUS BY WRIGHT, CORRECT? UH, WITH K CLUB? YES.

YES.

AND THAT LANGUAGE IS NO LONGER IN THE CURRENT DRAFT OF THE DOCUMENT.

RIGHT.

SO TWO THINGS.

SO THERE WAS AN INTERIM DRAFT THAT K CLUB HAD THAT SAID THAT THE BY RIGHT.

AND, UM, WHEN WE UPDATED THIS IN FEBRUARY, UH, THE CURRENT DRAFT DOCUMENT SAYS EXPLORE UPDATING, UH, DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ALLOW ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, UH, AND INCORPORATE DESIGN STANDARDS.

SO THE BY RIGHT WAS REMOVED WHEN IT WAS, UH, UPDATED IN FEBRUARY.

YEAH.

A AFTER CLUB PASSED IT ALONG SO THAT THAT CHANGE HAS BEEN MADE BY STAFF AT THIS POINT.

YEAH.

RIGHT.

MM-HMM, .

OKAY.

UM, SO AS COMMISSIONER HALL REFERENCED, THERE IS A PENDING ZO OAC PROCEEDING RELATING TO ADUS, RIGHT? CORRECT.

AND I ASSUME THAT, THAT IT PREDATED MY TIME ON ZO OAC, BUT THAT PENDING ZO OAC PROCEEDING COULD DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF WAYS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, FACILITATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF CONTEXT SENSITIVE ADU.

IT MAY BE BY RIGHT, WITH DESIGN STANDARDS, IT MAY BE SOME OTHER SORT OF MECHANISM THAT WE HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH YET SINCE I WASN'T DEEPLY INVOLVED IN THAT.

BUT THE IMPORTANT TAKEAWAY IS THAT THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FACILITATING ADU IS A, YOU KNOW, HAPPENING KIND OF ON A, NOT A PARALLEL PATH, BUT LAGGING BEHIND, YOU KNOW, THIS DOCUMENT.

SO WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH RESPECT TO ADUS WILL GO THROUGH THE FULL CODE AMENDMENT PROCESS.

CORRECT.

OKAY.

UM, ONE OTHER QUESTION.

ITEM NUMBER THREE, WE TALK ABOUT THE CREATION OF IT AND INFILL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

I WONDER IF WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT SUGGESTING RESIDENTIAL INFILL, RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, PLURAL.

YOU KNOW, I, I THINK SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEAR ARE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ONE SIZE FITS ALL SOLUTIONS, AND I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, THE SAME INFILL, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT MAKES THE SAME SENSE IN, IN EVERY CONTEXT.

SO MAYBE I, I DON'T KNOW A NUMBER, BUT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, LARGER INFILL PROJECTS THAT WE SEE THAT COME TO US, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE ON A SIDE OF AN ACRE OR HALF AN ACRE.

THEN THERE ARE SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, INFILL PROPOSALS THAT WE SEE FOR A SINGLE LOT.

AND THOSE SEEM TO PRESENT SOME DISTINCT IN SOME WAYS AND SIMILAR IN OTHER WAYS ISSUES.

BUT I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY LIMIT OUR INFILL DISTRICTS TO ONE, CONSIDERING SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE.

NOTED.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

OKAY.

WELL, UM, COMMISSIONER RUBIN'S LAST POINT WAS ONE OF THE POINTS I WAS GONNA RAISE.

I'VE BEEN NOODLING AROUND THOSE ISSUES MYSELF.

AND THEN ON THE TOP OF, OF ADUS, UM, I, I ACTUALLY THINK THAT, UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY, WHILE THERE IS A VOCAL MINORITY THAT IS OPPOSED TO THEM, THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT THEM.

SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF TAKING ANY REFERENCE TO DISCUSSIONS OF ADUS OUTTA THE PLAN.

UM, IN FACT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE INCORPORATED THEM, UM, MOST CITIES HAVE GONE BACK AND RELAXED LEGISLATION IN ORDER TO PROMOTE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE

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A PROVEN CONCEPT AND THEY HAVE NOT HAD THE ADVERSE CONSEQUENCES THAT THE NAYSAYERS SEEM TO TOTE.

SO, UM, I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF TAKING THAT OUT OF THE PLAN.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ONE QUICK LITTLE ITEM, UH, GENTLEMEN, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S FOLKS THAT ARE WATCHING US ONLINE.

I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE VERY CLEAR IN THE LANGUAGE THAT WE USE.

SO IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THIS A DU PIECE, UH, AS YOU KNOW, I, I'VE ATTENDED LOTS OF THESE, UH, COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND, UH, OCCASIONALLY WE SEE THE, YOU KNOW, THE MAGIC FLYER.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY THERE'S, THERE'S A MOVEMENT THERE TO SCARE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE A DU PIECE.

IF THERE ARE NO EDITS TO THE, THE A DU LINE ITEM HERE, AND IT IS PASSED BY THIS BODY, RIGHT, DOES THAT RESULT IN ADUS BEING ALLOWED? NO.

NOW, IF, IF CITY COUNCIL THEN ADOPTS THIS LANGUAGE WITHOUT AN EDIT, DOES THAT ALLOW ADUS BY, RIGHT? NO, SIR.

DOES THAT EVEN BEGIN THE PROCESS OF ALLOWING ADUS BY, RIGHT.

NO, SIR.

WHY NOT? BECAUSE THAT'S A SEPARATE PROCESS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BEGIN, UH, WITH STAFF AND THIS BODY BEING ABLE TO INITIATE THAT AND THEN MOVING THROUGH, UH, THE CORRECT BOARDS TO DISCUSS, APPROVE, AND THEN MOVE IT UP TO COUNCIL EVENTUALLY.

AND, AND DOES THAT PROCESS ALLOW FOR PUBLIC INPUT AND DISCUSSION? AND, AND DOES IT TAKE TO TEND TO TAKE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME? YES, SIR.

THANK YOU, SIR.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE, WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GROSSLY MISLEADING FLYER, DOES THE ALLOWANCE OF ADUS CREATE DUPLEX ZONING IN ALL SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS? NO, MA'AM.

EXCELLENT POINT.

QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONERS.

MR. CHAIR? OH, PARDON ME.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

I DIDN'T HAVE MY GLASSES.

I DIDN'T SEE, YOU'RE PROBABLY WAVING AT ME, PLEASE.

THAT'S FINE.

THAT'S WHY I SPOKE UP.

THANK YOU.

I JUST, TWO QUESTIONS.

UM, AND I'M JUST GONNA ASK THIS ON ITEM TWO.

AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADUS, THE FOCUS SEEMS TO BE ON THE WORD ALLOW IS, IS WHAT I WOULD TAKE AWAY.

NOT THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING THE CONVERSATION, NOT THAT WE'RE NOT EXPLORING WHAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE AS WE'RE TRYING TO THINK ABOUT DIFFERENT HOUSING OPTIONS.

IS THERE A WORD OTHER THAN ALLOW THAT WOULD PERHAPS BRIDGE THIS GAP THAT SAYS WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY BE EXPLORING THIS, BUT ALLOW, CERTAINLY SEEMS ON THE PROACTIVE SIDE, AND I THINK THAT MAY BE GIVEN, UM, SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY PAUSE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.

AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE I KNOW WHAT THAT ALTERNATE WORD IS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT MIGHT BE THE WAY TO BRIDGE THE, THE CONVERSATION.

UM, I'M JUST MAKING TWO STATEMENTS 'CAUSE I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THE ANSWERS I, WELL, ONE, I DO HAVE AN ANSWER ON ITEM THREE WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT THE CREATION OF, UM, INFILL ROAD, UH, RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.

MY QUESTION WOULD BE, SHOULDN'T THAT BE ALTERNATIVE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS? I DON'T THINK WE'RE TRYING TO SAY THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COMMENT WAS MADE THAT IT'S NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL.

AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, I THINK WE WOULD WANNA BE MORE BROAD IN HOW WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS.

AND I KNOW WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING TYPES AND, UM, THAT ARE BEING UTILIZED, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE NATION THAT ARE IN OUR CITY TODAY THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY DEFINED VERY WELL IN OUR CODE.

SO IT WAS A SUGGESTION THAT I, I THINK THAT MIGHT HELP EVEN FURTHER EXPAND THE CONVERSATION AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT WHAT THE, THOSE HOUSING CHOICES MIGHT BE.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER AS CHAIR RUBIN.

YEAH, I, I HEAR COMMISSIONER HAMPTON'S POINTS ABOUT ALLOW, AND HOW THAT MAY LEAD TO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS SOME PEOPLE SEEING THIS AS A SHADOW BY RIGHT LANGUAGE MAYBE FACILITATE.

BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, ADUS AS COMMISSIONER KINGSTON SAID, ARE A REALLY IMPORTANT TOOL IN OUR, YOU KNOW, HOUSING CHOICES TOOLBOX.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING PROCESS THROUGH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT DOES COME THROUGH SOME CRITICISM.

SO I THINK FACILITATE SAYS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE STATUS QUO AND SEE HOW WE CAN DEPART FROM IT, POTENTIALLY IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY.

UM, BUT ALSO DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, SUGGEST THAT WE'RE JUST SAYING BUY RIDE IS ABSOLUTELY THE WAY THAT WE NEED TO GO HERE.

IT'S A CONSIDERATION, BUT IT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY OPTION I WOULD THINK.

NOTED.

THANK YOU.

QUICK QUESTION.

UH, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE GOAL THERE ON NUMBER THREE, EXPLORE THE CREATION OF, OF INFIELD, RESIDENTIAL, ET CETERA? WHAT, WHAT IS THE GOAL THERE? IT'S TO CREATE AN OPTION WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A THOUSAND MORE PDS.

UM, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, UM, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO INTO A

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COMMUNITY AND, AND, AND DEVELOP ADDITIONAL HOUSING, UM, YOU'RE EITHER GONNA BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE OR A BIG APARTMENT BUILDING.

AND THOSE ARE REALLY OUR TWO OPTIONS.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF THAT MISSING MIDDLE THAT IS THAT, THAT THAT'S THERE.

AND SO IT'S THE INTENT TO SAY, OKAY, WE NEED A ZONING DISTRICT OR A COUPLE OF ZONING DISTRICTS THAT WOULD, YOU COULD STRAIGHT ZONE IT AND YOU NOT HAVE TO CREATE, UH, MORE WORK FOR, FOR RYAN'S TEAM.

SO I, I THINK I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN, AND I, RYAN MAY TAKE OFFENSE TO THAT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAD A CASE IN, IN DISTRICT FIVE, I THINK LATE LAST YEAR, UH, THAT, UH, WAS IN A KIND OF A LARGE LOT.

ONE SIDE OF THE STREET WAS SINGLE FAMILY, THE OTHER SIDE WAS TOWN HOMES, AND THE APPLICANT, UH, HAD THE CORNER LOT ON THE SIDE OF THE TOWN.

HOMES WANTED TO BUILD MORE TOWN HOMES, COMMUNITY EMBRACED IT.

SO NO OPPOSITION, BUT WE COULDN'T DO THE ZONING.

WE HAD TO PUT HIM IN, I THINK, AN MF SOMETHING WITH, YOU KNOW, A LONG LIST OF DEED RESTRICTIONS TO GET HIM WHERE HE NEEDED TO GO ON A PROJECT TO BUILD TOWN HOMES ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET WITH OTHER TOWN HOMES.

WHEN I READ NUMBER THREE, THAT TO ME, SPEAKS ABOUT WHAT THE PROBLEM WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE.

WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SAYING WE'RE GONNA PICK THIS, THE, THE OBJECT OF THIS TO ME IS NOT TO BREAK A, A SINGLE FAMILY STREET AND PUT IN A, YOU KNOW, A TOWN HOME RIGHT SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

WHAT THIS SAYS TO ME IS THAT WHERE IT MAKES SENSE, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE FUTURE THINKING HERE AND THINK ABOUT THE, THE FUTURE OF THE CITY, AND HOPEFULLY STAY AWAY FROM HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, DO, UH, YOU KNOW, TANGLE OURSELVES UP DEED RESTRICTIONS IN ORDER TO FIND A SOLUTION FOR AN APPLICANT.

UH, UM, SOMEONE HAS ALREADY, FOR IN NUMBER THREE, MOST CASES, PEOPLE ARE ALREADY GOING TO PROPOSE A ZONING CHANGE.

IT'S, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A BASE ZONING DISTRICT THAT MEETS WHAT THAT COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE.

AND SO IT'S CREATING A BASE ZONING DISTRICT THAT THE COMMUNITY SAYS, YES, WE WE'RE OKAY WITH THIS TYPE OF DENSITY AND THIS TYPE OF HOUSING, BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A BASE ZONING DISTRICT THAT'S REFLECTED OF THAT.

RIGHT.

AND THEN ALSO SOME MORE CONTEXT.

SO 2006 FOR DALLAS AT THAT TIME, SUGGESTED A CODE ZONING UPDATE TO HAPPEN RIGHT AFTER THAT.

UH, 20 PLUS YEARS LATER, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ONE.

UH, SO TYPICALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A UPDATE TO YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU WANNA FOLLOW THAT UP PRETTY QUICKLY WITH A, A ZONING CODE UPDATE.

SO, UH, LUCKILY WE'RE ALSO INITIATING THAT PROCESS NOW TO HOPEFULLY, UH, CONTINUE, UH, THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE HAVING NOW WITH, UH, THE MORE NUANCED DETAILS WITH HOW IS THIS GONNA GET APPLIED? SO AS WE'RE HAVING THE DISCUSSIONS, AGAIN, THIS PLAN IS NOT GONNA CHANGE OR, OR TWEAK THAT, BUT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW DO WE APPLY THAT, UH, UH, MOVING FORWARD AFTER THIS PLAN.

UH, BECAUSE LIKE, UH, PATRICK MENTIONED PDS AND ALL THESE OTHER TOOLS, OR BASICALLY, UH, WE'RE USING WHAT WE HAVE TO, TO KIND OF RESPOND TO THE MARKET.

WE NEED TO UPDATE OUR CODE TO RESPOND TO THAT BETTER.

SO IT'S MORE PREDICTABLE, EASIER TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GONNA BE DEVELOPED.

WHEN YOU HAVE PDS, IT'S UNCLEAR.

IT'S UNCLEAR WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GET FROM THAT PRODUCT UNLESS YOU ARE IN THAT PROCESS.

SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE ZONING, UH, IS UPDATED TO PROVIDE A SUITE OF OPTIONS, UH, WITH WHAT THE MARKET AND THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE.

AND, UH, COMMISSIONER BLA, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, JUST ONE, ONE ADDITIONAL COMMENT, UH, AND AGAIN, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE USING, UH, LANGUAGE, UH, THAT IS EASIER TO UNDERSTAND.

DOES, DOES ITEM NUMBER THREE CREATE ZONING? DOES IT CREATE INFIELD ZONING? NO, IT DOESN'T.

HOW WOULD THAT HAPPEN IF THIS PASSES AND COUNCIL PASSES, WHAT IS WRITTEN THERE ON ITEM NUMBER THREE? DOES THAT CREATE INFIELD ZONING? IT DOES NOT.

HOW WOULD THAT HAPPEN? SO, A SEPARATE PUBLIC PROCESS WOULD HAPPEN THROUGH ZAC AND CPC AND CITY COUNCIL TO CREATE A NEW ZONING DISTRICT THAT WOULD NOT REZONE ANY PROPERTY.

TO BE CLEAR, THAT FIRST PUBLIC PROCESS WOULD NOT REZONE ANY PUBLIC, ANY PROPERTY TO THAT INFO ZONING DISTRICT.

YOU WOULD CREATE THAT ZONING DISTRICT, THEN OTHER PUBLIC PROCESSES WOULD HAPPEN FOR PA SITE PACIFIC OR COMMUNITY PACIFIC LOCATIONS TO THEN REZONE A PROPERTY FOR THAT ZONING DISTRICT THAT WOULD, AGAIN, GROW THROUGH CITY COUNCIL, GO THROUGH CPC AND WOULD BE A SEPARATE PUBLIC PROCESS IF CITY COUNCIL PASSES THIS, THIS UPDATE WITH THIS LANGUAGE INCLUDED, DOES THAT INITIATE THE PROCESS? IT DOES NOT.

IT DOES NOT.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR WELL, YOU TOOK MOST OF MY QUESTIONS AWAY FROM ME, SO LET ME SEE IF I CAN RESTATE SOME OF THEM.

UM, AND NUMBER THREE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE IS A NEED, A NEW NEED THAT HAS BEEN, I IDENTIFIED IN FOR

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DALLAS, BUT THIS IS BEEN SINCE, FOR DALLAS, IS JUST A LAND USE PROCESS AND NOT A ZONING CHANGE PROCESS, THAT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IS A WISHLIST, IF YOU WILL.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

AND THAT YOU ARE, THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS ITEM IS IDENTIFYING, UM, A NEED THAT DOES NOT EXIST AND THAT THERE IS NO ZONING AT THIS CURRENT, CURRENT TIME IN ORDER TO ANSWER THAT NEED? CORRECT.

SO IF THIS IS JUST A LAND USED ITEM AND NOT A ZONING ITEM, AND I FORGOT MINE, SO, UM, I, AND I DEFINITELY CAN'T SEE THERE NOR THERE.

.

THANK YOU.

UM, OH, WOW.

, YEAH.

UM, NO, I GOT THEM.

.

UM, YOU WANT TO EXPLORE THE CREATION NOT TO CREATE, CORRECT.

THANK YOU, MR. HERBERT.

YES.

SO FOR OUR VISUAL LEARNERS IN THE ROOM, UM, NOW ME, UM, THE, WE HAVE A BLOCK, UM, THERE ARE TWO HOUSES, THREE HOUSES, ONE ON THE END, ONE IN THE MIDDLE, ONE ON THE VERY END IN BETWEEN OR LOTS.

UM, THE COMMUNITY, THE DISTRICT, THE, THE COUNCIL MEMBER COMES IN AND SAY, OKAY, LET'S MAKE THIS AN INFIELD DISTRICT.

UM, THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO KIND OF REGULATE MORE WHAT GOES IN THOSE LOTS.

SO IN THAT EXAMPLE, UM, SOMEONE WOULD COME IN AND SAY, WELL, IT'S ZONED FOR, UH, WHATEVER IT IS ZONED TODAY.

UM, I WANNA CHANGE THAT ZONING, BUT WHAT I WANT TO BUILD, I CAN'T DO THAT WITH ANY OF THE BASE ZONING DISTRICTS.

AND SO THEY'RE GONNA SAY, WELL, I'D LIKE IT TO BE TH THREE, BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I CAN DO THIS, THAT, OR THE OTHER THING, OR I WANT IT TO BE MF TWO, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BUILD 36 UNITS.

I'M JUST TRYING TO BUILD FOUR, BUT I CAN'T MAKE IT WORK BECAUSE OF PARKING REQUIREMENT OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.

AND SO THAT WOULD SAY, HERE'S A BASE ZONING DISTRICT WHERE WE CAN SAY, OH YEAH, THIS MATCHES, YOU KNOW, UM, THESE TYPES OF COMMUNITIES.

AND IT'S A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PRODUCT THAN WHAT'S OUT THERE TODAY, BUT IT'S A PRODUCT THAT THE COMMUNITIES ARE GOOD WITH.

AND THAT WOULD BE A BASE ZONING DISTRICT THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, YES, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND REVIEW THIS CASE.

BUT AS OPPOSED TO CREATING PD 1,314, IT'S GONNA BE, UM, YOU KNOW, A INFILL DIS, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE AN ID DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, ID THREE OR SOMETHING, OR ID TWO OR ID ONE BASED UPON EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

UNDERSTOOD.

AND I WANT, YEAH, I WANT TO CLARIFY A FEW THINGS THERE.

THERE'S TWO THINGS I THINK THAT WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF CONFOUNDING.

THERE'S A CREATION, THE CREATION OF THOSE DISTRICTS, AND APPLYING THOSE DISTRICTS IN, IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN, EXCUSE ME, YOU CAN CREATE MORE DISTRICTS, MORE, MORE SUITES OF ZONING DISTRICTS, BUT JUST BECAUSE IT'S CREATED DOESN'T MEAN IT'S APPLIED IN A PARTICULAR PROCESS.

YOU STILL NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT PUBLIC PROCESS OF MAYBE TAKING THAT NEW, UH, ZONING DISTRICT THAT WAS CREATED, THAT FULFILLS WHAT THE DESIRE IS, AND THEN OF TRYING TO APPLY THAT THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH, UH, IN THE CITY.

SO THERE'S DEFINITELY CREATION OF THE DISTRICT AND THE APPLICATION OF IT.

GOTCHA.

AND I DEFINITELY SUPPORT THE CREATION OF THE, THE CONVERSATION AROUND CREATIONS OF DISTRICTS.

SO THANK YOU, MR. FORSIGHT.

PLEASE.

SO, UH, LISTENING TO YOU, IT SOUNDS THEN THIS INFILL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IS TO ALLOW FOR DEVELOPMENT OF MULTIPLEXES, UH, SOMETHING BETWEEN, UH, UH, TOWN HOMES AND, AND, AND, AND MULTIFAMILY, LIKE, LIKE A QUADPLEX WELL, IT, IT WOULD BE TO ALLOW SOMETHING THAT'S BETWEEN A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOUSE AND A BIG APARTMENT BUILDING.

THAT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF GOOD ZONING DISTRICTS TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.

AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THESE CASES THAT COME UP WHERE SOMEONE IS TRYING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT THEY CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE THE ZONING DOESN'T ALLOW THEM.

AND SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR A PD OR SOME AMENDMENTS, UH, OR SOME DEED RESTRICTIONS AS THE CHAIR MENTIONED.

UM, AND THERE ALSO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE ISN'T THAT BASE ZONING DISTRICT, AND IT WOULD PROVIDE THOSE OPTIONS FOR THAT REZONING FOR DIFFERENT AREAS.

AND I THINK TO, TO ADD TO THAT, I THINK THE SUGGESTION ABOUT CHANGING THIS TO DISTRICTS COULD, COULD HELP.

UH, SO THERE ARE A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS IN, IN, IN THE CITY.

UH, SOME THEY JUST SINGLE FAMILY ONLY IN TERMS OF, UH, MAYBE, UM, YOU KNOW, 7.5, FOR EXAMPLE.

OTHERS HAVE A MIXTURE OF

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THAT THERE.

SO IF YOU PROVIDE MORE OF THOSE DISTRICTS, UM, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE IN THE CITY, YOU CAN CHOOSE MORE OPTIONS TO KIND OF INFILL IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT MAKES MORE SENSE IN TERMS OF THE CONTEXT THAT YOU'RE IN.

SO I THINK THE, THE ZONING DISTRICTS ARE LOOKING AT, LIKE, LIKE PATRICK MENTIONED, IT'LL BE A SUITE IN BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY ONLY AND AN APARTMENT COMPLEX TO PROVIDE A MORE ROBUST SUITE OF OPTIONS THAT APPLY BETTER TO YOUR COMMUNITY.

INSTEAD OF HAVING TO CREATE A NEW ZONING DISTRICT THROUGH PDS EVERY TIME, UM, YOU COME TO THE CITY, AND, AND AGAIN, TO, TO FOLLOW UP ON, UH, WHAT MR. GOOSE SAID A A LITTLE WHILE AGO, THAT WE, IT'S TWO PROCESSES.

ONE, IT CREATES THOSE OPTIONS, BUT CREATING THOSE OPTIONS DOESN'T REZONE ANY PROPERTY.

BUT WE JUST CREATE THOSE OPTIONS FOR SOMEONE TO SAY, I WOULD LIKE TO REZONE THAT PROPERTY.

SO YOU SAY, THESE ARE THESE OPTIONS THAT MIGHT WORK.

AND THEN IN A SEPARATE PUBLIC PROCESS, A A, A PRIVATE DEVELOPER COULD PROPOSE 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY GONNA PROPOSE TO CHANGE THE ZONING.

IT'S JUST SAYING, HERE ARE SOME OPTIONS THAT MIGHT BE BETTER THAN THE OPTIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY AVAILABLE.

RIGHT.

AND ALSO, PIGGY BACK AGAIN, WHAT YOU SAID, THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY IS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE CLEAR PREDICTABILITY AS TO WHAT'S BEING APPLIED IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO WHEN YOU HAVE MORE OPTIONS, MORE SUITES THAT THEY UNDERSTAND, OKAY, THIS IS THE OPTION THAT'S GONNA FALL IN MY DISTRICT.

THEY'RE MORE UNDERSTANDING OF, OF WHAT'S GONNA TAKE PLACE.

WHEN YOU CREATE A PD, NOT MANY PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO READ A PD DOCUMENT, UM, AND, AND JUST GO INTO THE DETAILS.

AND THAT PROVIDES OR PRESENTS AN OP, UH, AN ISSUE IN TERMS OF PREDICTABILITY FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THE DEVELOPER WHO'S COMING IN WHO HAS TO CREATE IT FROM SCRATCH.

SO THOSE ADDITIONAL, UH, SUITE OF OPTIONS TO HELP BOTH DEVELOPERS AND THE COMMUNITY KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THEIR AREA.

THAT'S TRUE.

YEAH.

I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH MAKES THE POINT THAT THESE, YOU KNOW, INFILL POTENTIAL INFILL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS WOULD ADD DENSITY INTO EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, ELSEWHERE IN THE DOCUMENT WE REFERENCE, YOU KNOW, DESIGN STANDARDS TO ENSURE COMPATIBILITY.

AND I THINK IT MAY BE IMPORTANT TO, YOU KNOW, LIKEN TWO, ADD A REFERENCE TO DESIGN STANDARDS.

AND IN NUMBER THREE, WE ALREADY SAY APPROPRIATELY SCALED BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, PART OF WHAT THESE INFILL DISTRICTS MAY, MIGHT END UP DOING IS SORT OF MAKING A TRADE OFF.

ON ONE HAND, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WOULD BE ABLE TO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF DENSITY INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD.

ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY NOT GET THE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE IN SOME OF OUR EXISTING DISTRICTS TODAY.

YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE, YOU KNOW, FURTHER HEIGHT LIMITATIONS, THERE MAY BE FURTHER LOT COVERAGE LIMITATIONS THAT ENSURE COMPATIBILITY OF THIS IN INFILL DEVELOPMENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.

YOU KNOW, IT, UH, IT'S A GOOD POINT.

VICE CHAIR.

UM, I, I WOULD SAY, UM, WORKING ON THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK AREA PLAN, UM, A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THERE SAID, UM, THAT THEY WEREN'T NECESSARILY AGAINST DUPLEXES, BUT THE TYPES OF DUPLEXES THAT WERE BEING BUILT WEREN'T THE ONES THAT THEY LIKED.

UM, AND SO THEY SAID, OKAY, IF YOU'RE GONNA REZONE PROPERTY TO A DUPLEX, WE WANT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

AND SO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT THEY'VE WORKED ON, UM, PORCHES IN THE FRONT, GARAGES IN THE BACK TWO STORIES AND HEIGHTEN A PITCHED ROOF, ARE THE DESIGN STANDARDS.

THEY SAY, OKAY, IF YOU CAN INCORPORATE THAT INTO A BASE ZONING DISTRICT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE MORE LIKELY TO SAY YES, GO AHEAD AND REZONE THOSE PROPERTIES TO THAT.

SO, UM, I THINK IT'S A GOOD POINT THAT WE CAN ADD TO NUMBER THREE TO, UM, GIVE THOSE, UM, ADDITIONAL ZONING DISTRICTS MORE CONTEXT SENSITIVITY.

I'M GONNA, UH, DIG DOWN A LITTLE BIT, UH, PATRICK INTO SOMETHING YOU SAID.

UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, MY APOLOGIES TO KEEP BRINGING IT DOWN TO THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, AS YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THESE, THESE MAGIC FLYERS THAT WE KEEP SEEING, UH, TEND TO KIND OF GRAB THE LANGUAGE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SPEAK IN A LANGUAGE THAT WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WE UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT AND WE, WHAT REALLY IS THE SUBTEXT THAT IS UNSPOKEN? AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK IT OPENS UP THE DOORS FOR THESE FOLKS TO, TO TAKE WHAT WE DO AND WHAT THIS PLAN IS SAYING AND, AND PLANNING TO DO AND KIND OF DISTORT IT.

UH, SO ITEM NUMBER THREE AGAIN, UH, IS, IS THAT A PARADIGM CHANGE? WHAT, WHAT THAT LANGUAGE IS THERE IS IS THAT, UH, NOT IN FACT WHAT WE DO HERE EVERY TWO WEEKS.

I, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN MAKE THAT STATEMENT, BUT YES.

A A NUMBER OF PRIVATE ZONING APPLICATIONS COME TO CPC EVERY TWO WEEKS WHERE THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO REZONE PROPERTY AND THEY ARE TRYING TO REZONE IT FOR A BASE ZONING DISTRICT THAT DOES NOT EXIST.

SO THEY CREATE A PD TO THEN MATCH WHAT THEY HAVE COME MANY TIMES WITH AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT A TYPE OF HOUSING PRODUCT THEY WOULD LIKE TO, TO CREATE.

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OKAY.

SO, SO THEN I WILL STATE, I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU A, A DECADE ON THIS SIDE OF THE HORSESHOE.

I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY BEEN HUNDREDS OF CASES.

EV EVERY PLAN COMMISSIONER THAT I'VE EVER, YOU KNOW, WORKED WITH, HAS HAD A, A CASE WHERE THEY NEEDED, YOU KNOW, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT GOT OVERLY COMPLICATED TO DO, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED, WHAT THE APPLICANT WANTED, AND EVENTUALLY WHAT EIGHT OF US OR MORE AGREED TO DO.

AND ALL NUMBER THREE IS SAYING TO ME IS, HEY, YOU KNOW, WHY DO WE KEEP DOING THIS TO OURSELVES? UH, LET'S CREATE A TOOL.

AND PATRICK, TO WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE, DOES THAT TOOL, IF IT'S CREATED SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE, DOES THAT AUTOMATICALLY CHANGE THE ZONING? NO.

CHAIR DOES NOT.

SO IF THIS TOOL IS CREATED, THEY'RE, AND SOMEONE HAS A BASE ZONING, THEY STILL NEED TO FILE AN APPLICATION YES.

CHAIR.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THEY STILL NEED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.

YES.

JUDGE STILL NEED TO HAVE A, A COMMUNITY AND A PUBLIC HEARING HERE AND SOMEHOW GET EIGHT VOTES.

YES, CHAIR.

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THEN IT GOES TO COUNCIL FOR A SECOND BITE AT THE APPLE, AND THEY NEED EIGHT OR MORE VOTES THERE.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, CHAIR.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I'LL TRY TO USE AN EXAMPLE THAT'S HAPPENED IN MY EXPERIENCE, UM, IN A WAY TO BETTER EXPLAIN WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.

SO WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE ASKING FOR, I HATE TO EVEN SAY THIS, A MULTIPLEX OR A MULTIPLEXES ON A CERTAIN PART OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE DEVELOPER AGREES THEY WANT IT, BUT THE ONLY WAY HE CAN DO IT ON THIS ONE LOT IS THROUGH A PD.

WE WANT TO GET AWAY FROM THE MILLIONS OF PDS WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

WE DON'T WANT A PD ON ONE LOT.

UM, SOMETIMES NEIGHBORS GET SUCKED INTO PDS WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE.

THESE PDS OPEN UP A LOT.

UM, UM, YOU HAVE TWO NEIGHBORS SPEAKING FOR ONE NEIGHBORHOOD ON A PD.

A LOT CAN BE MISSING, A LOT CAN BE TAKEN ABACK.

DOES THIS TOOL HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT? YES.

THANK YOU.

QUESTION.

MR. CHAIR? YES.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

AND, AND I UNDERSTAND I'M YELLING AT YOU ALL, SO I'M GONNA TRY TO SPEAK SOFTER.

UM, TWO QUESTIONS OR A FEW FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.

WHERE DO WE SPEAK ABOUT HOME OWNERSHIP? I ONLY SEE IT IN ITEM FIVE, IS THAT ANYTHING THAT HAS, I KNOW IN PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS IN THE PREVIOUS VERSION FOR DALLAS, IT WAS A STRONG FOCUS ON TR YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOUSING CHOICE, IT'S NOT JUST, UM, THE TYPES OF HOUSING, BUT ALSO THE TYPES OF, WHETHER IT'S RENTAL OR OWNERSHIP OR, AND IT IT SPEAKS TO, YOU KNOW, CO-OPS AND CONDOS.

BUT IT, IS THERE ANYWHERE ELSE WHERE WE, UH, YOU KNOW, HIGHLIGHT THAT, THAT IS AN, A CONSIDERATION FOR US? UH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

SO I THINK EXPLICITLY TALKING ABOUT EITHER OWNING OR RENTING A HOME, WE DON'T HAVE, UH, THAT MANY, UM, REFERENCES, BUT THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S TWO THINGS YOU'RE TOUCHING ON THERE.

UH, WHEN IT COMES TO HOME OWNERSHIP, THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT HELPS WITH COMMUNITIES WHO MAYBE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO OWN A HOME, UH, THAT HELPS WITH WEALTH GENERATION AND JUST BEING ABLE TO STAY IN THE CITY.

UM, ALSO TOO, THERE ARE OTHERS WHO CHOOSE NOT TO OWN A HOME AND ARE ALSO PREFER TO DO, PREFER TO RENT.

SO I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE IDEA BEHIND THAT, ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, OWNING HELPS WITH WEALTH GENERATION, OTHER THINGS, I THINK FROM A MACRO LEVEL, JUST THE CHOICE OF BEING ABLE TO EITHER RENT OR OWN, UM, LIVE IN A, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY OR, UH, A CONDO.

ALL OF THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CHOICE AND ACCESS.

UM, BUT JUST TO KIND OF GO TO YOUR POINT, ARE YOU LOOKING OR ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING TO INCORPORATE MORE OF THAT LANGUAGE OR JUST MORE OF A DISCUSSION FOR THE BODY? BOTH, I THINK.

BUT I KNOW CERTAINLY IN PAST CONVERSATIONS AND GROUPS I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH IT, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A VERY STRONG FOCUS FOR OUR CITY AND UNDERSTANDING THAT HAVING A, A STRONG MIX.

AND THEN I ALSO WILL, YOU KNOW, LOOK BACK TO SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT TALKS ABOUT GENTRIFICATION AND HOW SOME OF OUR OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS ARE BEING PUT AT RISK.

SO FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS AND OWNERS WITHIN OUR CITY ARE BEING DISPLACED.

AND WE SPEAK ABOUT THAT, BUT WE DON'T SPEAK ABOUT HOW, WE'RE TRYING TO THINK ABOUT, UM, HOW WE MIGHT ENCOURAGE, UH, MORE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE.

AND SO I GUESS I'M JUST ASKING, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE MIGHT POTENTIALLY BE MORE LANGUAGE THAT SPEAKS TO THAT, UM, NOTED NOT THAT WOVEN WITHIN THIS SECTION.

YES, MA'AM.

THE SECOND, AND THAT'S, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA DIVE INTO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT I THINK THOSE TWO ARE, ARE RELATED.

UM, BUT AS WE'VE BEEN TALKING THROUGH THE ALTERNATIVE

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HOUSING TYPES, INFILL HOUSING TYPES, WHATEVER LANGUAGE WE, WE LAND ON, I DON'T SEE WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE NEED TO ADDRESS, UM, OTHER COMPONENTS OF OUR CODE.

AND I'M GONNA USE THE STREETS MANUAL, AND I'M GONNA USE BUILDING CODE AS TWO EXAMPLES.

UM, I THINK COMMISSIONER HERBERT JUST MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THAT, OR, AND I APOLOGIZE IF I GOT THE WRONG COMMISSIONER, BUT YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE SEEING THAT SOME OF THE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT, IT'S NOT THAT A DUPLEX IS, IS NOT DESIRABLE, IT'S THAT THE WAY THAT THEY'RE BEING DEVELOPED IN COMMUNITIES IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THAT CHARACTER, YOU KNOW, AND IT WORKS IN SOME AREAS AND OTHERS IT CAN BE VERY DISRUPTIVE.

AND SOME OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, ARE ALSO LEADING TO BUILDING FORMS THAT ARE PRECLUDING THEM, BEING INTEGRATED WITH COMMUNITY CHARACTER.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE WAYS THAT WE WANNA THINK ABOUT IT, BUT WE'RE NOT SPEAKING TO SOME OF THE OTHER COMPONENTS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED THROUGH IT, THAT AREN'T SIMPLY ZONING AND LAND USE.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE IDENTIFYING THAT THOSE WILL ALSO BE NEEDED, UM, MAY BE IMPORTANT.

AND I JUST WANNA KIND OF FURTHER HIGHLIGHT FOR EVERYONE THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I HEAR THE QUESTION ON INFILL, BUT I'M GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT APPLIES TO MANY, MANY AREAS AROUND, UM, THE CITY WHERE THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS DON'T FIT WITH OUR CURRENT CODE.

AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WHERE WE'RE SEEING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO RESOLVE THIS, AND I'M GONNA USE LOT SIZE AS A EXAMPLE, AND, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT WE SOMETIMES HAVE TO ADDRESS, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH DEED, INTERSECTIONS, PDS, WE END UP WITH ZONING THAT WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY, UM, THINK WAS APPROPRIATE TO SOLVE A DIFFERENT PROBLEM, AS OTHERS HAVE SAID.

AND, YOU KNOW, THAT LOT AREA QUESTION IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST ONES BECAUSE WE JUST SIMPLY DON'T FIT WITHIN WHAT WE HAD BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF A LOT OF OUR, OUR OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE TRYING TO REDEVELOP.

SO, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I, I THINK I TRULY AM STRUGGLING WITH THE WORD INFILL BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT IT REALLY DOES CAPTURE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UM, THINK ABOUT WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS MORE BROADLY.

AND THEN THERE'S TWO PLACES WHERE I SEE INFILL, IT'S ON THREE, AND IT'S ALSO DOWN IN ITEM 12, WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, INTEGRATED HOUSING INFILL POLICY THAT PROVIDES EXPEDITED ZONING AND PERMITTING REVIEW.

AND A AGAIN, I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT AS WE'RE THINKING OF THOSE TWO THINGS TOGETHER, THAT THERE'S A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO IT, AND IS THAT REALLY GETTING US WHERE WE THINK WE WANNA GO? I THINK THE IDEA OF HAVING, UM, YOU KNOW, PRE-VETTED HOUSING, HAVING, UM, PLANS THAT CAN HELP EXPEDITE THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.

I THINK IT GIVES EVERYONE PREDICTABILITY IN, IN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, I JUST, I, I'M, I'M, I'M STRUGGLING WITH HOW IN AS A LIMITED FUNCTION THERE.

NO, I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY A GREAT POINT.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH THIS PLAN IS, YOU KNOW, A LAND USE PLAN, UH, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE MENTIONING IS HOW CAN WE BETTER REFERENCE THESE OTHER POLICIES, UH, THAT ARE TACKLING THE ISSUE? SO, UH, UH, HOUSING AFFORDABILITY ISN'T JUST, UM, A, A LAND USE ISSUE.

UH, THERE'S A PLETHORA OF OTHER COMPONENTS.

THERE'S A PLETHORA OF OTHER THINGS THAT OUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE ANALYZING THAT, UH, AS WELL.

SO I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB MAYBE REFERENCING, UM, THOSE ONGOING EFFORTS AND JUST TALK THROUGH THAT COORDINATION.

UM, BUT YOU'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT.

IT'S, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO KIND OF PIN DOWN HOUSING AFFORDABILITY IN ONE KIND OF, OR TWO, UH, SUBJECT LINE ITEMS ON THE LAND USE PLAN.

UH, BUT I THINK THAT THAT NUANCE THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE JUST MENTIONING, WE CAN ADD MORE REFERENCES TO THOSE OTHER DOCUMENTS JUST TO HELP WITH, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE NATURE THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE, UH, TAKEN, UH, WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

VICE CHAIR, EVERYONE.

YEAH, I JUST WANT TO STEP BACK FOR A SECOND.

I THINK COMMISSIONER HAMPTON'S COMMENTS HIGHLIGHTS SOME, SOME REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUES WITH RESPECT TO OWNERSHIP AND GENTRIFICATION SLASH DISPLACEMENT.

WE DID SPEND QUITE A BIT OF TIME AT, AT CLUB DISCUSSING THE GENTRIFICATION SLASH DISPLACEMENT ISSUE, PROBABLY LESS ON THE, UM, OWNERSHIP, UM, SIDE JUST TO, YOU KNOW, IN MY RECOLLECTION.

UM, BUT ONE THING THAT I JUST WANTED TO GET Y'ALL TO, YOU KNOW, WEIGH IN ON REAL QUICK IS BACK WHEN WE DID FORWARD DALLAS IN 2006, THAT WAS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT INCLUDED A HOUSING PLAN.

BUT SINCE WE ADOPTED 2006, THERE IS NOW A SEPARATE CITY HOUSING POLICY MEANT TO, YOU KNOW, DO YOU KNOW A LOT OF THAT WORK OUTSIDE OF, OF FORWARD DALLAS? SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW STAFF TRIED TO SORT

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OF STRIKE THE BALANCE IN THIS UPDATED COMP PLAN WHEN THERE ALREADY IS A, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL ADOPTED HOUSING POLICY? NO, ANOTHER GREAT QUESTION.

SO FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW ABOUT OUR FIRST FOUR DALLAS PLAN, FOUR, FOUR DALLAS 2006, THAT IS A TRUE COMPREHENSIVE, UH, PLAN.

WHEN WE SAY COMPREHENSIVE, IT TOUCHES NOT JUST LAND USE, BUT TRANSPORTATION, HOUSING, UH, URBAN DESIGN, ALL THOSE ELEMENTS, UH, WERE IN THAT PARTICULAR PLAN OR ARE IN THAT PARTICULAR PLAN OVER TIME.

UH, INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS, UH, AND SECTORS UPDATED THOSE SECTIONS BECAUSE THEY HAD MORE, UM, UH, UH, EXPERTISE IN THOSE SECTIONS.

SO GOING BACK TO THE HOUSING, UH, PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED LAST YEAR, UH, THE 20, OUR HOUSING POLICY, 2033 IS WHAT IT'S CALLED.

AND THAT HAS SPECIFIC GOALS, UH, RELATED TO HOW THEY'RE GONNA BE ADDRESSING HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE TIED, UH, OR CONNECTED THE DOTS IN TERMS OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE TO, TO CONNECT WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

SO THERE ARE CERTAIN, UM, ACTION ITEMS ON THAT PLAN THAT SAYS FORD DALLAS SHOULD, UH, COINCIDE WITH LAND USE, UM, POLICY CHANGES TO ALLOW SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR PLAN.

AND SEPARATE AND APART FROM, FROM THIS, UM, DOCUMENT, UM, I KNOW THAT ANTI DISPLACEMENT TOOLKIT CAME UP QUITE A BIT AT, AT CLUB.

I'M NOT ASKING TO, TO GO THROUGH THAT IN LIMITED TIME THAT WE HAVE TODAY, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THIS BODY DID GET AN UPDATE ON THAT FROM, UM, THE, THE RESPONSIBLE FOLKS FOR THAT.

SO WE KIND OF KNOW WHERE IT'S AT AND WE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S COMING THERE.

I CAN DO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT CAN COME LATER ON, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO THE BODY.

NOTED.

COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, I WANT TO ECHO A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON MADE YOU KNOW ABOUT, UH, EMPHASIZING THE, THE NEED FOR, UH, HOME OWNERSHIP.

UH, WHEN, WHEN RESIDENTS OF SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS READ THIS PLAN, THEY FEEL THAT THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE THE TARGET OF THIS PLAN.

AND, AND, AND, UH, ALLOWING ADUS BY RIGHT IN RESIDENTIAL ZONES, UM, UH, THE INFILL DEVELOPMENT THAT THAT'S A TRIGGER WORD FOR ALLOWING MULTIPLEXES IN, IN, IN THE MIDDLE OF A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, I, I, I REALLY FEEL THAT WE NEED TO REMOVE THESE TRIGGER TERMS THAT, THAT CAUSE UH, FOLKS WHO LIVE IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS TO HAVE CONCERN ABOUT THIS PLAN IF WE WANT TO GET, GET THEM TO SUPPORT IT.

YOU KNOW, AND, AND, UH, LIKE ON THAT NUMBER THREE THERE, YOU KNOW, INFILL RESIDENTIAL, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, THAT, THAT'S A TERM THAT, UH, THAT THE FOLKS IN THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS OBJECT TO WHEN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IN DESIGNATED AREAS, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT COULD BE CHANGED TO AR IN AREAS THAT ARE CONDUCIVE TO ENHANCED DENSITY.

YOU KNOW, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, WE JUST NEED TO HAVE IN THIS DOCUMENT A STATEMENT THAT, THAT WE ARE NOT TARGETING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

THAT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS ARE THE BACKBONE OF RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES IN DALLAS.

AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I WANT TO SUPPORT THIS PLAN AND I, AND I WANNA GET THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT THIS PLAN, AND I REALIZE THIS PLAN IS GONNA PASS THIS COMMISSION.

THE REAL OPPOSITION'S GONNA BE AT THE CITY COUNCIL LEVEL, BUT FOR ME TO VOTE FOR THIS PLAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU TRY TO CHANGE SOME OF THESE TERMS THAT REALLY DO TARGET SINGLE FAMILY LIVING IN THE, IN, IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

NOW, THAT'S NOTED.

I THINK ONE THING, UH, YOU MENTIONED, AND I THINK EVERYBODY AGREES, IS, UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT, WHEN WE LOOK AT CITY OF DALLAS AND THE HOUSING THAT EXISTS, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT NEW YORK, IT'S NOT DENVER, UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S DALLAS, UH, IT'S, IT'S PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY, AND THAT'S WHY PEOPLE COME HERE.

UM, BUT WHAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALSO HEARING IS THAT PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO EVEN BUY ANYMORE.

UM, SO WHAT THEY WANT IN THE CITY, THEY CAN'T EVEN GET, UH, SO THEY'RE NOT EVEN THINKING ABOUT OWNING A HOME ANYMORE.

SO THE, THE TREND NOW IS ACTUALLY JUST, CAN I RENT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? SO THE, THE OWNERSHIP QUESTION IS OUT THE WINDOW FOR A LOT OF, UH, PROSPECTIVE, UH, RESIDENTS IN THE CITY.

SO THOSE WHO ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE CITY ALREADY HAVE ONE.

I THINK WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO CHANGE THAT ENVIRONMENT.

THERE'S A LOT, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WANTING TO COME TO THE CITY THAT HAVE ACTUALLY STARTED TO JUST THROW OUT THE IDEA OF EVEN OWNING A HOME.

IT'S ABOUT, CAN I RENT A HOME NOW? SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE NEW TREND.

SO AS WE ARE LOOKING TO STILL BUILD UPON WHAT, UH, DALLAS IS, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAN, THERE'S A LOT OF THAT HAPPENING.

WE WANT PEOPLE TO STILL BE ABLE TO ATTAIN THAT, BUT IT'S GONNA HAVE TO LOOK DIFFERENT.

HOW DOES THAT, HOW DO WE PLAY WITH THE LAND USE TO PROVIDE MORE OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE TO STILL GET WHAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT, UM, UNDER THE CURRENT CLIMATE? SO THAT'S KIND

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OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO, TO DO, IS HOW DO WE PROVIDE MORE OPTIONS, MORE TOOLS FOR PEOPLE TO STILL COME TO DALLAS