[Community Police Oversight Board on August 13, 2024.]
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I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
UH, MY NAME IS JOHN MARK DAVIDSON, THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.
WE APPEAR TO HAVE A QUORUM OF OUR BOARD, SO LET'S GET THIS MEETING STARTED.
THE OFFICIAL TIME FOR THIS MEETING TO BEGIN IS 5 38.
THE MISSION OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD IS TO ENHANCE THE PUBLIC'S TRUST THAT COMPLAINTS OF MISCONDUCT AGAINST DEPARTMENTAL EMPLOYEES ARE CONDUCTED, FAIR, IMPARTIAL, THOROUGH, AND ARE TRANSPARENT.
THE BOARD SEEKS TO ENSURE THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENTS HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE MEANS INTO THE COMPLAINT PROCESS.
AT THIS TIME, AS WE BEGIN OUR MEETING, WE'D LIKE TO OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, AND PER OUR ADOPTED RULES OF PROCEDURE, SPEAKERS WILL BE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES, THREE MINUTES PER PERSON, WITH SOME DISCRETION BY THE CHAIR AS NEEDED.
AND, UH, BASED ON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, THE TIME MAY BE ADJUSTED TO ONE TO TWO.
BUT I THINK TODAY WE HAVE, UH, ENOUGH SPEAKERS TO WHERE WE CAN GIVE EVERY SPEAKER THREE, THREE MINUTES.
AND IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE SO ALREADY AT THE SIGN UP TO SPEAK, AT THE START OF THE MEETING, PLEASE SEE A MEMBER OF OUR CITY STAFF, THE OFFICE OF THE OVERSIGHT, UH, OFFICE STAFF IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM FOR SPEAKER CARDS.
AND WE'LL ALSO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE END OF OUR MEETING THAT DO NOT REQUIRE ANY SIGNUP.
SO, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT OUR GOAL HERE IS TO BE, TO HAVE PRODUCTIVE AND HEALTHY, UH, DIALOGUE.
TO DO SO, WE MUST ESTABLISH SOME STRUCTURE TO HOW WE ENGAGE WITH ONE ANOTHER.
WE ASK AS WE SPEAK AND, UH, UH, COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER THAT WE DO SO WITH RESPECT AND KINDNESS.
SO WE DO HAVE, UH, SEVERAL PEOPLE LISTED, UH, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE TO BEGIN, ARLENE PEREZ MORENO, UH, TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE, UM, AND TO MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON.
AND, UH, WHENEVER YOU START SPEAKING, I'LL, UH, HIT THE TIMER AND THEN WHEN YOU HEAR THE SOUND IS WHEN THE THREE MINUTES IS, UH, IS UP.
SO, UH, SO HAPPY YOU WERE HERE, ARLENE, AND, UH, LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR, UH, YOUR COMMENTS.
HI, HOW ARE YOU? I PASSED OUT SOME, UM, DOCUMENTS.
IS, IS THE MICROPHONE ON BY CHANCE? CAN EVERYBODY HEAR HER? HI.
I PASSED OUT SOME DOCUMENTS FOR YOU, UH, TWO OF YOU.
THE VERY FIRST THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE, BUT, UH, I KNOW THAT I HAVE THREE MINUTES.
THOSE THREE MINUTES? YES, MA'AM.
CAN I SIT UP FROM THE SIDE? OKAY.
HEY, WILL YOU, OKAY, UNDERSTAND.
SO, SO I, UM, THREE MINUTES IS NOT VERY LONG, OBVIOUSLY, WHEN IT'S A A, A CASE SUCH AS MINE, I, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE VERY FIRST THING I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IS JUST ACCOMMODATIONS ONLY BECAUSE I DO HAVE PTSD, I DO HAVE MY MEDICAL, UH, DUE TO THE EVENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED, I DON'T ASK SO MUCH JUST FOR LIKE, I STUTTER.
SO I HAVE TO GET TIME TO FOCUS BECAUSE IT HAP UH, I ALSO, UM, INC INCLUDED MY, UM, MY CARD WHERE I HAVE NOW BEEN ACCEPTED INTO THE, UH, CONFIDENTIALITY ACT WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS.
SO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, ALL MY MAIL GOES THERE, UM, BECAUSE MY ADDRESS IS SO NOBODY CAN FIND ME DUE TO WHAT HAPPENED.
UM, SO IT'S, THEY REVIEWED IT AS A PRETTY, IT WAS OBVIOUSLY PRETTY GOOD EVIDENCE TO ACCEPT.
SO WHAT I WANNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT IS A REPORT.
THERE'S 16 REPORTS THAT I HAVE, 16 THAT ALL COME BACK TO ONE INCIDENT.
BUT IF I HAVE TO BE HERE EVERY MONTH FOR 16 MONTHS WITH YOU GUYS, THEN I WILL.
SO WE CAN REVIEW THOSE REPORTS.
THE REPORT YOU ALREADY HAVE IS AUGUST 15TH, 2022, WHERE THE DETECTIVE AND THE POLICE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
THERE WAS THE VIDEO THAT I SHOWED, BUT I WANNA SHOW THIS PART OF VIDEO.
SO THIS WASN'T A LOT, BUT THIS REPORT THAT I GAVE YOU IS EIGHT 12.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE REPORT, UH, I CALLED 9 1 1 TO COME PICK UP PASS REPORTS, IDS, CREDIT CARDS, UM, MAIL THAT MY EX FOSTERS, MY FORMER FOSTER SON HAD LEFT HIS GIRLFRIEND.
AND SOME EVENTS THAT WERE GOING ON, THEY DIDN'T COME.
SO I CALLED AND THEY DIDN'T COME.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE REPORT, THE TIMESTAMPS ARE WRONG.
UH, I MADE AN EVALUATION SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE MAYBE MAY, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M RIGHT OR NOT, BUT, UM, THEY SAY THAT THE CALL WAS MADE AT 1600 HOURS GOING DOWN THE, THE POLICEMAN SAYS THAT HE ARRIVED AT MY HOUSE AT 10 10, 1000 SOMETHING HOURS.
THERE WAS NO WAY THE CALL WAS MADE AT 16.
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IT, WHERE ON THE 12TH, THE, SO THEY MAKE, THEY MAKE COMMENTS ON THE 12TH, ON THE 12TH ON THE 12TH, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT CHANGES TO THE 13TH.THEN IT'S THE 13TH, THE DAY OF THE 13TH, THE DAY OF THE 13TH.
AND THEN IT GOES BACK TO THE 12TH, THEN IT GOES THE 12TH, THE 12TH, THE 12TH.
AND THEN IT GOES BACK TO THE 13TH, THE 14TH, THE 15TH AND SEPTEMBER 7TH.
THEY HAVE THE DATES, THOSE DATES ARE ON THE REPORT.
HOW COULD THAT BE? AND THEN IT GOES BACK TO THE 12TH.
SO THERE'S OBVIOUSLY THE REPORTING IS, IS NOT, IT'S INCORRECT.
AND THE TIME, THE TIMES ARE, ARE NOT CORRECT.
SO THAT GIVES WAY OF THE REPORTS ARE NOT DONE RIGHT.
AND THAT'S MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE AND A BIG, BIG DEAL TO PEOPLE THAT RELY ON 'EM LIKE ME.
I, SO I'LL BE HERE EVERY 16 MONTHS, I MEAN, EVERY MONTH FOR 16 MONTHS IN THREE MINUTES.
IT'S NOT A LOT WHEN YOU HAVE A DISABILITY AND WHEN YOU HAVE SUCH A CASE LIKE MINE.
REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE DOCUMENTS AS WELL THAT WE HAVE THEM.
WOULD YOU LIKE THEM? WOULD YOU LIKE THEM BACK, OR WOULD YOU LIKE FOR US TO HAVE THOSE DOCUMENTS? HUH? UH, THE DOCUMENTS YOU'VE GIVEN US, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE, WE KEEP OR WOULD YOU LIKE? YEAH, THAT'S YOU GUYS.
IS THAT ON THE TABLE OR NO? UH, YEAH, WE HAVE 'EM HERE.
AND, AND, UH, YEAH, WE'LL LOOK AT 'EM AND, AND PLEASE WE'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU.
THE CHAIR WOULD NOW LIKE TO RECOGNIZE DOLORES PHILLIPS.
DOLORES PHILLIPS, UH, PLEASE MAKE YOUR WAY TO THE MICROPHONE.
UM, MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE'S ON.
AND, UH, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES WHEN, UH, I'LL BEGIN THE TIMER WHEN YOU BEGIN.
DOLORES PHILLIPS, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
SOME OF THE PAGES THAT I SENT YOU ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE HANDOUT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DPD REPORT NUMBER 0 2 7 3 2 9 1 DASH EIGHT.
IT'S BEEN PEOPLE WHO HAS LEFT THE OCPO, THAT OFFICE BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS A COVERUP ONLY INCIDENT DETAIL REPORT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GIVE YOU ALL THE PAGES.
I DON'T KNOW WHICH PAGES THE INCIDENT DERE DETAIL REPORT IS HIGHLIGHTED.
IT SAYS THE DISPATCHERS NOTED THAT THE OFFICER CALLED THEM WITH THE REPORT NUMBER 0 2 7 3 2 9 1 DASH A.
WHEN SOMEONE WANTS TO TRANSPORT SOMEONE, THEY CALL DISPATCH.
AND DISPATCH GIVES THEM A REPORT NUMBER.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT CORPORAL CONNER'S NOTES AND YOU HAVE A PAGE OF HIS NOTES, HE HAVE THAT NUMBER WRITTEN DOWN.
WHEN I SAY THAT MAYOR ROLLINS PREARRANGED THIS MEETING TWO TO THREE WEEKS PRIOR, HE DID SUCH THAT BECAUSE I WAS STANDING BEFORE HIM A YEAR PRIOR TO THAT, EVERY WEEK AT THAT TIME, IT WAS EVERY WEEK.
YOU CAN GO BACK INTO THE RECORDS.
IF IT DOESN'T SHOW THAT I SPOKE BEFORE HIM EVERY WEEK, THAT MEANS THOSE RECORDS TWO HAVE BEEN ERASED.
MM-HMM,
SHE SAID, HAD SHE, MY DAD WOULD BE STILL BE HERE TODAY.
THEY DIDN'T AWARD ME GUARDIANSHIP, HAD THEY? MY DAD WOULD STILL BE HERE.
I WAS HIS POWER OF ATTORNEY 2019.
I FOUND OUT IN 2019 THAT MY DAD HAD MONIES.
ALL HIS MONIES COMES FROM DOWNTOWN DALLAS.
I ALLEGE IT TO BE A SETUP AND THE RECORDS WILL REFLECT THAT.
AND ALL THESE FABRICATED CASES AND DOCUMENTS AGAINST MY NAME IS COMING TO LIGHT TO KNOW THAT THEY WERE INTENTIONALLY FABRICATED TO SET IT UP TO CREATE A FACADE TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT, I NEVER IN MY LIFE FOUGHT POLICE.
THEY PUT HANDS AND FEETS AS WEAPONS AT THE HEADQUARTERS.
HOW DO YOU GET A FABRICATED POLICE REPORT CONNECTED TO YOUR NAME AT THE HEADQUARTERS ON THE FIRST FLOOR FOR TWO PLUS HOURS WHERE THEY ERASED TWO PLUS HOURS OF THAT MEETING? CORPORAL CONNER WAS ERASED FROM THE MEETING ON THE FLOOR.
TWO HOURS OF HIM PRANCING, ANXIOUS, ANTSY, ANGRY.
HE TOLD ME HE HAD TALKED TO MAYOR ROLLINS THAT MORNING, IE.
MAYOR ROLLINS TOLD HIM TO HOLD ME.
YOU KNOW WHY THEY TOOK THAT OUT? THE VIDEO OUT OF CORPORAL COTNER IEGE.
HE WAS A SECOND AWAY FROM FRIENDLY FIRE.
THEY TRIGGERED HIM RESEARCH HIS HISTORY, HISTORY.
I ALLEGED THAT HE WANTED NOTHING TO DO WITH THE UNLAWFUL IMPRISONMENT.
THIS IS A COVERUP WITHIN A COVERUP.
AND I WAS AT THAT MEETING TALKING ABOUT A COVERUP IN 2009 WHERE THEY ERASE.
9 1 1 CALLS WITHIN A WEEK OF THOSE CALLS BEING, APPRECIATE THAT MR. PHILLIPS.
HEY, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
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NEXT MONTH, FIRST TUESDAY, PLEASE.I'M ASKING THAT ON THE RECORD.
NEXT, FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT, THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE ALEX STEIN.
ALEX STEIN, IF YOU COULD MAKE YOUR WAY TO THE MICROPHONE AND WHEN, UH, YOU BEGIN YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT, WE WILL, UH, START THE, THE THREE MINUTES TIMER.
ALRIGHT FOLKS, WHERE'S MY TIMER? I HAVE IT UP HERE.
AND I'LL, WHENEVER YOU START TALKING, I'LL SET THE TIMER AND YOU'LL HEAR THE, THE BELL WHEN, WHENEVER THREE MINUTES IS UP.
AND I'M SICK AND TIRED OF THIS POLICE FORCE, THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
YOU HAVE A GUY, A 14 YEAR VETERAN, A SERGEANT BY THE NAME OF ARTURO MARTINEZ THAT THINKS IT'S REALLY CUTE AND COOL TO SAY THAT THE ASSASSIN THAT SHOT DONALD TRUMP SHOULD AIM BETTER.
AND I THINK IT'S FREAKING DISGUSTING THAT WE HAVE A POLICE FORCE, PEOPLE THAT PUT IT, LOOK AT THESE GUYS, LOOK AT THESE COWARDS.
YOU GUYS THINK IT'S OKAY TO SAY, OH, WE SHOULD AIM BETTER.
ISN'T HE ONE YOUR BROTHERS EXCUSE.
LISTEN HERE, GRANDMA, CAN I COME UP HERE AND SEE WHAT I YELL? DO NOT NEED TO SAY, DON NOT YELL.
WHY ARE YOU YELLING THEN? HEY, EXCUSE ME, MR. STEIN.
UH, THIS IS, UH, NOT APPROPRIATE.
CAN YOU, UH, CAN YOU PLEASE SPEAK WITH KIND OF SOME RESPECT AND PLEASE ONLY ADDRESS ME AS THE CHAIR.
I'LL HAVE SOME RESPECT, BUT I'M VERY FRUSTRATED BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S VERY RESPECTFUL.
DON'T RESPECTFUL FOR A DALLAS POLICE OFFICER, 14 YEAR SERGEANT TO SAY THAT AN ASSASSIN SHOULD HAVE AIMED BETTER WHEN THEY TRIED TO KILL THE 45TH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
I WANT A POLICE FORCE THAT DOESN'T PUT THEIR POLITICS FIRST, THAT HAS A BRAIN UNLIKE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S SO DISGUSTING, IS THAT WE GOT A CITY OUT THERE.
YOU HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE OUT THERE SMOKING FENTANYL, SMOKING CRACK.
AS I WALKED IN HERE, AS I WALKED IN HERE, PEOPLE SMOKING DRUGS OUT THERE AT CITY HALL.
YOU GUYS AREN'T GONNA ARREST THEM.
BUT THE DALLAS POLICE FORCE, THEY GOT ENOUGH TIME TO GO OUT THERE AND TWEET.
OH, OH, I THINK THE ASSASSIN, I THINK THE ASSASSIN SHOULD HAVE AIMED BETTER.
I DON'T THINK IT'S VERY FUNNY AT ALL, BECAUSE I PUT MY SAFETY IN THESE OFFICER'S HANDS.
THAT'S THEIR JOB, IS TO PROTECT US, TO PROTECT A PRESIDENT.
AND, AND WE'RE IN DALLAS WHERE JFK WAS ASSASSINATED.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE MORE SCRUTINY THAT IS UPON US AS A CITY BECAUSE WE WERE THE LAST CITY TO HAVE A PRESIDENT ASSASSINATED.
THIS CITY IS ALL ABOUT RACE AND GENDER.
YOU PROBABLY DON'T LIKE ME 'CAUSE I'M COMING OUT HERE AND CALLING OUT A GUY 'CAUSE HE'S HISPANIC AND PROBABLY LIKES ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
I DON'T KNOW HIS POLITICS, BUT I KNOW THAT HE WANTS THE PRESIDENT TO DIE.
AND I THINK THAT HE SHOULD NOT BE A PART OF THE DALLAS POLICE FORCE.
AND OF COURSE, THE, THE CHIEF EDDIE GARCIA DOESN'T HAVE THE BALLS TO COME IN HERE AND FACE US MAN TO MAN.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S SO PATHETIC.
YOU GUYS CALL THIS THE POLICE OVERSIGHT COMMISSION.
I SEE A COUPLE POLICE, I SEE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT I NOT QUALIFIED TO STOP WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING IN THIS CITY.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE HAVING MY CAR BROKEN INTO ALL RIGHT.
THE MONEY THAT I PAY IN TAXES IN THIS CITY IS RIDICULOUS.
AND WHAT DOES IT GO TO? SO MAYOR JOHNSON CAN GO CHEAT ON HIS WIFE.
SO, UH, CHIEF GARCIA CAN GET ANOTHER TATTOO, PLEASE ABOUT POLICE.
JUST TALK, TALK TO US, PLEASE.
WELL, I'M SAYING THE, THE POLICE ARE UNDER THE MAYOR'S JURISDICTION.
SO I'M SICK AND TIRED OF LIVING IN THE PLACE WHERE I GOTTA LIVE IN FEAR THAT THERE MIGHT BE A POLICE FORCE THAT MIGHT WANT OUR PRESIDENT DEAD.
SO IF OUR POLICE FORCE WON'T PROTECT THE PRESIDENT, WHY WOULD THEY PROTECT ME? WHY SHOULD I HAVE ANY HOPE OR FAITH? AND OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT, IF THEY THINK IT'S SO COOL TO GO ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND TYPE AIM BETTER, THAT'S DISGUSTING.
WE ALMOST HAD THE WORLD CHANGE IN AN INSTANT.
OKAY, WELL, I MEAN, IT'S FUNNY THAT THIS, YOU WANT ME JUST, YOU KNOW, INTERRUPTED ME THE WHOLE TIME.
YOU GUYS NEED TO DO, DO BETTER.
HAVE, HAVE YOU FILED A COMPLAINT WITH, WITH THE OFFICE? OKAY, I FILED IT, DONE THE NORTHWEST POLICE DIVISION AND I POSTED THE VIDEO ONLINE, SEE COPY OF THAT VIDEO FILED.
BUT HAVE YOU FILED A WRITTEN COMPLAINT WITH THE OFFICE OF POLICE ACCOUNT? UH, OVERSIGHT.
I, I ACTUALLY DID THEM EMAIL, BUT ACTUALLY FILED A POLICE REPORT WITH THE NORTHWEST DIVISION THAT'S RIGHT AT NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'LL PROPERLY GET IT TO OUR JURISDICTION.
IF YOU WANNA FILL OUT AND SIGN A COMPLAINT ONLINE, THAT'LL, UH, PUT IT IN FRONT OF THE OFFICE.
NEXT WE HAVE DIELLE LANE, UH, DIELLE LANE.
WE'D LOVE TO INVITE YOU, UH, FORWARD IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS.
OKAY, YOU DECLINE AT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, MR. LANE.
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UH, IN PERSON THAT WE HAVE IS, UH, JOHN, JOHN 10 KING, JOHN KING.THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, MR. KING.
AND, UH, WHENEVER YOU BEGIN, WE'LL BEGIN YOUR THREE MINUTES.
AND, UH, WHEN YOU HEAR THE BILL, PLEASE RESPECT, UH, THE THREE MINUTE TIMELINE.
FIRST OFF, UH, MY PRONOUNS ARE KING AND INFO, SO DON'T GET THAT CONFUSED, OKAY? UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS KIND OF SAD TO WATCH YOU GUYS ALMOST BECOME LIKE THE CITY CALLED, UH, PORTLAND.
YOU GUYS ARE ALL BECOMING METH HEADS, CRACK HEADS ALL THE WAY AROUND, OUT IN DALLAS.
YOU KNOW, DALLAS USED TO HAVE A NAME FOR ITSELF.
NOW YOU GUYS IS KIND OF BECOMING JUST LIKE A KNOCKOFF OF PORTLAND, YOU KNOW? OH, BY THE WAY, I'M RUNNING FOR CITY COUNCIL AND BEND GAN.
SO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS VOTE FOR ME IF YOU WATCHING THIS AND BEND GAN.
BUT YOU GUYS REALLY SHOULD STOP WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING.
LIKE MAYOR JOHNSON, YOU KNOW, HE'S A DODGE BOY.
IF YOU GO BACK TO THE BIBLE, I'M SURE JESUS CHRIST, WOULDN'T IT BE APPROVING OF HIS ACTIONS? MR. KING, PLEASE DON'T TALK ABOUT ANYONE DISRESPECTFULLY.
NO, I WASN'T TALKING BADLY, DIRECTLY ABOUT POLICE MATTERS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST FACTS THAT JESUS WOULD'VE NOT APPROVED OF THAT AT ALL.
YOU KNOW, HE DIDN'T APPROVE OF ADULTERY YET.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A THING YOU SHOULD BE DOING IN THE BIBLE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS EVEN LISTENED TO THE YOUNG LADY THAT WAS DOWN HERE A LITTLE BIT AGO.
YOU GUYS, THESE POLICE OFFICERS WOULD BE BONING THE ELDERLY LADY HERE.
INSTEAD OF STOPPING THE CRACK HEADS OUTSIDE AND THE METH HEADS AND HELPING THE HOMELESS PEOPLE THERE, POLICE OFFICERS WOULD ENJOY DEON OLDER LADIES ON THE ARMS. THEY, THEY GOT, SHE HAS VIDEOS OF THESE POLICE OFFICERS OF EVERY, ALL THE ABUSE THEY HAVE DONE TO HER.
IS THAT WHAT YOU GUYS LIKE DOING? ABUSING ELDERLY LADIES? IS THAT WHAT YOU GUYS GET OFF ON? ABUSING OLD LADIES? NO.
I DIDN'T THINK SO, BUT MAYBE YOU GUYS SHOULD STOP ABUSING ELDERLY LADIES, YOU KNOW? OH MY GOODNESS.
OH, MITCHELL, EVERY ONE OF YOU GUYS, IF YOU GUYS ARE WATCHING THIS, GO WATCH FISH TANK LIVE SEASON THREE.
GO WATCH ICE BESIDE THIS UNCLE, GAME STREAM GUYS.
IT'S GONNA BE PLACED IN AUSTIN, TEXAS WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE GETTING USED WITH CHILL GAS.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE EXPOSED TO CHILL GAS IN THIS TEXAS COUNTRY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST A GOOD TIME TO KIND OF MAKE FUN OF YOU GUYS.
IT'S KIND OF FUNNY TO BE, TO BE QUITE HONEST, LIKE WATCHING YOU GUYS' CITY BECOME NEW F*****G PORK.
LIKE WHAT THE F**K IS WRONG? YEAH.
WHAT? NO, WHAT? FOUL LANGUAGE IS NOTHING.
UH, DON'T DISCRIMINATE AGAINST ME AGAIN, PLEASE.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU WANNA SAY? WHAT? NO, YOU DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING.
I I'M FINISHING MY A FEW MINUTES.
HEY, UH, ADDRESS, ADDRESS TO ME ONLY PLEASE ADDRESS WHAT, UH, THE RULES ARE.
YOU CAN ONLY, UH, SPEAK TO ME AS THE CHAIR.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY DID HE SPEAK TO ME? AM I NOT SUPPOSED TO RESPOND WHEN YOU GUYS INTERRUPT ME? PUBLIC.
TELL HIM NOT TO SPEAK TO ME IF YOU DON'T WANT ME TO TALK TO HIM AGAIN.
OKAY? I, I CAN ONLY ASK YOU SPEAK TO JUST PEOPLE BACK IN LINE, GET HIS PEOPLE IN LINE, AND THEN I WOULD LINE UP AFTER YOU.
YEAH, I WOULD APPRECIATE YOURS.
PLEASE FORCE TO REALLY STOP, YOU KNOW, BONING ELDERLY LADIES, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, KEEN.
HEY, THANK YOU MR. KING AND PRO OVER HERE, GUYS TALK.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT COMMENT.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE ONLINE WITH, UH, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? IT DOESN'T APPEAR WE HAVE ANYONE ONLINE.
SO WE WILL, UH, NOW MOVE, UH, TO, UH, TAKING THE ROLE.
WHAT WE'LL DO, UH, TO BEGIN IS, WELL ACTUALLY LET'S, UH, WE'LL GO DO A ROLL CALL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT, UH, TO MAKE SURE, UH, WE HAVE, UH, EVERYONE HERE WHO'S PRESENT, UH, LISTED ON THE, UH, THE MINUTES.
AND WE'LL START WITH, UH, DISTRICT ONE.
AND IF YOU'RE PRESENT, JUST STAY PRESENT.
AND IF YOU COULD, UH, ALSO JUST SAY YOUR NAME AS WELL, AND THE DISTRICT YOU REPRESENT.
SO, UH, DISTRICT ONE, OZZIE SMITH.
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DISTRICT 10.MS. STEINFELD? UH, CAN YOU, UH, CAN YOU HEAR US? OH, SORRY.
YOU, I THINK YOU'RE ON MUTE, MS. STEINFELD, I'M SO SORRY.
IS THIS BETTER? OH, YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW.
ARLENE STEIN, FIELD DISTRICT 11, PRESENT DISTRICT 12 D WADSWORTH, DISTRICT 12 PRESENT.
BRANDON FRIEDMAN, PRESENT AND DISTRICT 15.
UH, JOHN MARK DAVIDSON, UH, PRESENT.
I NOW WOULD LIKE TO CALL, UH, FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE MAY 14TH MEETING.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THESE MINUTES? LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FOUR.
I MOVE THE MINUTES BE APPROVED.
I DIDN'T SEE ANY CORRECTIONS NECESSARY.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I SMITH, DISTRICT ONE, BOARD DISTRICT SWELL.
SECOND, UH, WE HAVE, UH, A MOTION THAT'S BEEN SECONDED.
UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES, SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? UH, THE MOTION PASSES TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE MAY 14TH MEETING.
UH, JUST WANTED THE BOARD MEMBERS TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE, UH, IT HERE.
UH, AND SO, UH, THE, THE PURPOSE OF HAVING IT HERE IS TO MAKE SURE OUR CITY EMAILS, UH, ARE WORKING UP AND RUNNING.
AND THE GOAL IS IF WE COULD HAVE EVERY, ALL OF US, UH, BY THE END OF THIS MEETING, AT LEAST HAVE ACCESS TO OUR CITY, UH, EMAILS.
SO, UH, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM, BUT, SO ONE AT ONE AT A TIME, IT WOULD YOU, WE PLEASE.
YOUR, YOUR NAME IS CHRIS, IS DEON.
UH, AND IF, IF WE COULD, UH, ONE AT A TIME, UH, MR. MAPLES HAVE, HAVE YOU, UH, BEEN ABLE TO GET YOUR, UH, UH, YOUR IT WORKING OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO? I HAVE NOT, BUT I'LL, OKAY.
SO, UH, THE HOPE IS, IS THAT ALL OF US, ONE AT A TIME DURING THIS MEETING CAN, UH, CAN GO, UH, TALK TO DEVIN AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR EMAILS ARE ABLE TO BE ACCESSED, UH, BECAUSE, UH, THAT IS HOW THE COMMUNICATION IS FROM THE CITY.
SO THAT'S OFFERED AND WILL BE, UH, FOR THE AVAIL AVAILABLE FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS.
I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, IF I COULD HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, SUSPEND THE RULES SO THAT WE COULD MOVE ONE AGENDA ITEM, UH, CLOSER TO THE TOP.
UH, DO I, DO I HAVE A MOTION, UH, TO SUSPEND THE RULES? I MOVE THAT WE SUSPEND THIS ALLISON GRANTER, ALLEN, DISTRICT NINE.
I MOVE THAT WE SUSPEND THE RULES TO BRING WHATEVER IT IS YOU WANT TO THE TOP.
JUDGE C VICTOR LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES.
UH, DO, UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? I THANK YOU SO MUCH BOARD FOR THAT FLEXIBILITY.
I, I DID, UH, WANT TO, UH, INTRODUCE, UH, THE NEW IAD DIRECTOR, UM, UH, MAJOR, UH, GREER GREER.
AND, UH, IF YOU COULD COME ON DOWN, I KNOW, UH, IT'S LATER IN THE AGENDA, AGENDA ITEM, UM, H OF, UH, THREE H.
UH, BUT I'D LOVE FOR HIM TO COME 'CAUSE THEY'RE, UH, WHILE WE SPEAK ABOUT THE, THE VIDEOS THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO SEE, IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO HAVE AN INTRODUCTION OF WHO HE IS, HIS BACKGROUND, UH, AND ALSO HIS, UH, UH, EXPERTISE IN THIS AREA SO THAT WE COULD, UH, APPROACH YOU.
SO I WANNA GIVE YOU THE FLOOR AT THIS TIME.
AND I KNOW OFFICIALLY HE BECOMES A MAJOR, UH, TOMORROW.
BUT I, I, I THINK IT'S OKAY TO CALL YOU MAJOR TODAY IF, UH, HOPEFULLY, UH, GOTTA GET TO IT.
BUT I'M LIEUTENANT ANDREW MCGREER TODAY, TOMORROW I'LL BE THE MAJOR AND, AND MAJOR IS YOUR MICROPHONE ON? I, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, LIEUTENANT ANTHONY GREER.
UH, TOMORROW I'LL BE THE MAJOR OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
I'M WELCOME TO BE HERE AT THE BOARD, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU GUYS.
UM, LITTLE BIT OF MY BACKGROUND.
I'VE BEEN ON THE DEPARTMENT FOR 26 YEARS.
I'VE SERVED IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS AT ALL THE RANKS, UH, DETECTIVES, UH, SERGEANT LIEUTENANT.
AND NOW I'LL BE THE MAJOR OVER THAT DIVISION, WHICH IS REALLY NEAT FOR ME.
UM, I'VE BEEN PART OF THE TRAINING ACADEMY, SO I'LL TRY TO HELP YOU GUYS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME.
I'VE SERVED, BEEN IN-SERVICE, TRAINED ALL THE IN-SERVICE OFFICERS, AS WELL AS THE RECRUIT OFFICERS.
I'VE ALSO BEEN AN FTO, UM, TRAINING OFFICERS AS THEY GET OUTTA THE ACADEMY ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL THEY'RE READY TO BE ON THEIR OWN.
SO I HOPE TO BE A GOOD HELP FOR YOU, AND I'LL CERTAINLY PROVIDE YOU GUYS WITH MY CONTACT INFORMATION, UM, AND WILL BE A PRESENCE HERE AT THE BOARD, UH, MORE FREQUENTLY FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE.
UH, CERTAINLY A OPEN BOOK FOR ANYTHING THAT I NEED OR, OR, OR YOU NEED TO KNOW FROM ME, UH, ANYTIME, ANY PLACE.
UM, WITH ME TODAY, I HAVE, UH, THE TWO LIEUTENANTS THAT I WORK WITH, UH, LIEUTENANT MORRIS AND LIEUTENANT BLANCHARD.
WE HAVE A NEW LIEUTENANT THAT'LL BE JOINING US TOMORROW.
AND, UH, HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BE HERE AT THE BOARD MEETING NEXT MONTH ALONG WITH US.
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YOU HAVE TODAY, I'LL TRY TO ANSWER 'EM.I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE KEEP IN MIND THAT SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'LL DISCUSS TODAY, THEY'RE STILL BEING INVESTIGATED ON THE CRIMINAL SIDE, SO I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO TOUCH ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
BUT, UM, AND AS FAR AS TRAINING IS CONCERNED, A LOT OF THE TRAINING QUESTIONS, I, I HOPE THEY'D BE ABLE TO ANSWER FOR YOU.
MAJOR, MAJOR GREER, MR. CHAIR? UH, YES.
DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? DR. GILBERT SMITH? YES.
I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING.
YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THIS IS ONLY THE SECOND TIME SINCE THE BOARD HAS STARTED MEETING THAT WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE AT YOUR LEVEL PRESENT.
I'M GLAD I I'M SURE WE'LL BE HERE MORE OFTEN TOO.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAJOR GREER FOR BEING HERE.
AND AGAIN, UH, WE APPRECIATE THE PRESENCE, UH, HERE, UH, FROM THE IED.
WE, UH, WE WOULD NOW LIKE TO MOVE, UH, TO, UH, THE REGULAR PART OF THE AGENDA, UH, THREE A, UH, THREE A, WHICH IS AN UPDATE ON THE LANE INVESTIGATION, UH, THE CITY MANAGER REVIEW OUTCOME.
AND, UH, THIS, UM, REVIEW OUTCOME PROVIDED BY THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER WAS READY LAST MEETING.
UH, BUT DUE TO TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, WE WERE UNABLE TO MEET LAST MONTH.
UH, BUT WE WANTED TO PROVIDE WHAT THE CITY, INTERIM CITY MANAGER, UH, HER REVIEW.
AND, UH, IT'S IN THE, THE PACKET BOARD.
UH, AS FAR AS, UH, IT'S UNDER, I BELIEVE IT'S UNDER ITEM TWO.
DO YOU, YOU SEE IT? ANYBODY? WE HAVE DO, UH, BOARD MEMBERS.
I KNOW, UH, BOARD MEMBER BOB DOES NOT HAVE, UH, THE LETTER FROM THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER.
UH, DO OTHER BOARD MEMBERS NOT HAVE IT IN THEIR, THEIR PACKET? WE, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE JUNE 10TH LETTER? YES, I HAVE IT.
UH, THE, IT'S, UH, ADDRESSED AT JOHN MARK DAVIDSON.
UH, IT'S A NOTICE OF ACTION UNDER ORDINANCE 37 32.
WELL, IF, IF THE BOARD COULD JUST TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, UH, UH, TO, TO READ IT JUST A LITTLE BIT.
AND IF, IF THERE'S ANY COMMENTS, UH, FROM, UH, THE CITY MANAGER'S ASSESSMENT E ESSENTIALLY, UM, HER REVIEW, UH, SHE SAID, UH, BASED ON MY REVIEW OF DISCIPLINARY ACTION ADMINISTERED BY THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE APPROPRIATE ACTION WAS TAKEN IN ISSUING LETTERS OF REPRIMAND AND PROVIDING SENSITIVITY TRAINING TO THE OFFICE OFFICERS.
THE OFFICERS RECEIVED COMPREHENSIVE TRAINING ON THE FOLLOWING TOPICS.
SO, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS IN YOUR PACKET, UH, BUT IT SEEMS THAT THIS, THIS INTERIM CITY MANAGER DID AGREE WITH THE DALLAS POLICE CHIEF'S HANDLING, UH, OF THE OFFICERS.
I WANNA OPEN UP TO THE FLOOR OF THE BOARD AT THIS TIME, IF THERE'S ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, UH, ABOUT THIS RESPONSE FROM THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER.
SO I, I DO HAVE QUESTIONS HERE.
UM, I'M NOTICING THERE'S LIKE A, A TABLE OF TOPICS THAT THEY RECEIVE SENSITIVITY TRAINING ON, UM, UH, WHICH I FIND INTERESTING.
I MEAN, I THINK IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, GOOD FOR US AT SOME POINT TO, UM, MAYBE ASK FOR A REPRESENTATIVE THAT IS OVER SENSITIVITY TRAINING AND TRAINING TO COME IN AND, AND, UH, GIVE US AN, A QUICK SUMMARY OF THESE, BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST TITLES, RIGHT? SO, I MEAN, WHAT DID YOU LEARN? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT IS THIS AMBER GEIGER CASE AND, AND OTHER, OTHER AREAS.
SO, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA FOR US TO DO THAT AT SOME POINT.
TAKING NOTE, TAKING, TAKING NOTE OF THAT.
THANK YOU BOARD MEMBER, MEGANS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD CHAIR? I HAVE A COMMENT, UM, IN REVIEWING THE LETTER, A COUPLE THINGS.
UM, AND I APPRECIATE THE LAYING OUT OF THE TOPICS AS BOARD MEMBER CHENGA ADDRESSED, UM, THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AND I GUESS DELIVERED TO THE OFFICERS.
UM, ONE THING WHEN I LOOK BACK OVER THE INCIDENT, UM, WHICH WAS AN AWARENESS ISSUE FOR ME AS WELL, NOT KNOWING THAT THIS, THAT THERE, UM, THERE WAS A LAW FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH A DISABILITY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT NUMBER IT IS AND ALL OF THAT, BUT WHAT I DON'T SEE IS THE AWARENESS OF THAT LAW AND OUR OFFICERS BEING TRAINED ON THAT, SO THAT WE WILL HAVE OFFICERS THAT ARE AWARE OF THAT
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AND CAN, YOU KNOW, TRANSMIT THAT INFORMATION TO THEIR FELLOW OFFICERS AND ALSO TO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.'CAUSE THIS IS NOT A GENERALLY, UH, KNOWN, UM, STATUTE OR, OR LAW OR WHATEVER, UH, FALLS UNDER, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT SEEING THAT WAS TRAINED ON HERE.
THESE SOFT SKILLS ARE GOOD SKILLS, BUT THERE'S A HARD SKILL THAT I, I THINK WAS MISSED.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THAT BACK IN NOVEMBER OF 2023, UM, I DID ENGAGE, UH, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICE AS WELL AS SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT TO IDENTIFY HOW TO CREATE AWARENESS REGARDING THIS TOPIC FOR BUSINESSES IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AND THAT'S CURRENTLY, UM, BEING REVIEWED.
I AM GOING TO FOLLOW UP TO SEE WHAT THE STATUS OF, YOU KNOW, THAT PLAN IS.
UH, BUT I'LL HOPEFULLY HAVE INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH THE BOARD, UM, FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
ANY MORE COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? YES, DR. SMITH, IF WE RECALL AT OUR LAST MEETING, UH, THE CHIEF SAID THAT THE OFFICERS WERE NOT TRAINED ON THAT LAW.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO BE CHANGED OR NOT.
AND THAT BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T TRAINED ON IT, THEY WERE UNAWARE.
I DO WANNA THANK DIELLE LANE FOR BEING HERE AMONG US, UM, AND FOR THE BRAVERY AND COURAGE THAT HE, UM, HAS WALKED THROUGH, NOT ONLY FILING UP A COMPLAINT, BUT THIS IS A BIG NEWS STORY.
AND I DO THINK THAT, UM, IT'S AN UNFORTUNATE INCIDENT AND, UM, IT'S, IT WAS, IT WAS TOUGH TO WATCH AND SEE.
AND I, I DO HOPE THAT GOOD CAN COME, UH, FROM SUCH AN UNFORTUNATE EVENT AS FAR AS OUR BOARD AND AWARENESS OF CERTAIN THINGS.
SOME THINGS WERE EXPOSED, I THINK WE CAN TALK ABOUT AS THE MONTHS GO ON, UH, INVESTIGATION TIMES.
I THINK IT'D BE GOOD TO, TO EXPLORE MORE AS FAR AS OUR INTERACTION WITH IAD AND JUST HOW LONG THAT WAS AND, UH, A GREATER UNDERSTANDING OF THAT PROCESS, I THINK ON OUR PART, BUT ALSO THE COMMUNITY'S PART, I THINK, UM, LIKE WHAT DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH MENTIONED, UM, WHAT IS BEING DONE RIGHT NOW WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHERE OFFICERS ARE LEARNING LAWS AND BEING UP TO DATE, AND WHAT HAPPENS IF AN OFFICER DOESN'T KNOW THE LAW? WHAT ARE THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE? AND THIS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED, UH, WITHOUT THE COURAGE OF DIELLE LANE.
AND I'M, I'M HOPING THAT, UH, WE AS A BOARD CAN TAKE AS THE MONTHS GO ON, WE CAN TAKE SOME OF THE INJUSTICES THAT WERE WITNESSED AND SOME OF THE FALLACIES THAT, UH, OF THE SYSTEM THAT WE SAW AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AS A BOARD TO, TO HELP THIS NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN.
SO, UH, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK DONNELL LANE FOR BEING HERE AGAIN AND, UH, FOR YOUR COURAGE.
ANY OTHER, UH, LAST COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? YEAH.
UH, MR. MAPLES, UH, YEAH, I'M, I'M SORRY I WAS BACK THERE TAKING CARE OF MY, UH, MY EMAIL WHEN YOU STARTED, BUT, UM, I'M NOT A DALLAS POLICE OFFICER.
IT'S NOT A GIG I SIGNED UP FOR.
HOWEVER, I AM A UNITED STATES MARINE, AND I UNDERSTAND THE CODE OF CONDUCT, BUT AS IT WAS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, WHEN I LOOK AT THE DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS, I JUST SEE WORDS.
I, I THINK ALSO WE NEED SOMEBODY TO COME IN HERE AND SAY, HEY, OR SEND US SOMETHING AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE TRAIN OR REPRIMAND ON PROFESSIONALISM OR POLICE AND MINORITY, WHATEVER.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S LIKE, UH, THIS, IT DOESN'T, IT, IT, IT SAYS SOMETHING, BUT TO BE HONEST, IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T BREAK IT DOWN AS TO WHAT WAS REALLY TAUGHT AND WHAT WAS REALLY RECEIVED BY THESE OFFICERS.
SO IF WE CAN GET A BETTER, MAYBE A DEEPER EXPLANATION INTO WHAT TOOK PLACE HERE, I THINK IT WOULD, UH, WOULD HELP OUT.
I, I AM CONCERNED, AS HAS BEEN STATED BY A NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS WITH THE FACT THAT THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS MEMO THAT INDICATES THAT THESE OFFICERS WERE TAUGHT THIS LAW.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD HAVE, UM, POLICE MINOR MINORITY RELATIONS, REASONABLENESS VERSUS NECESSARY IN ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, BUT NOT ANYTHING THAT SAYS, HOW DO YOU TREAT SOMEBODY WHO'S, UH, IS DISABLED? I THINK THAT'S A, AN APPROPRIATE, UM, THING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN HERE.
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AND I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO GET SOMEONE IN HERE TO TELL US, UH, WHAT KIND OF TRAINING THEY DO, UH, FOR SITUATIONS SUCH AS MR. LANES.UH, JUST WILLIAM HIGGINS, I, I JUST WANT TO, UH, KEEP ON OUR MINDS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO MORE.
LIKE WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO MORE.
LIKE IF WE ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE OUTCOME OF THIS, WE CAN ESCALATE THIS TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO SAY THAT WE FEEL LIKE MORE SHOULD BE, COULD BE DONE, AND WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
NOW, THEY MAY NOT GO ANYWHERE, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE OWE IT TO MR. LANE, UM, TO DO THAT.
IF WE DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS, IF THIS WAS SUFFICIENT, WE SHOULD DO OUR JOBS ALL THE WAY, UM, BECAUSE WE, THERE IS MORE THAT WE CAN DO FOR HIM, YOU KNOW? SO IF WE NEED TO, UM, UH, MAYBE DISCUSS WHAT KIND OF RECOMMENDATIONS WE LOOK AT OR GET SOMEBODY TO CONSULT WITH US ABOUT THAT, ABOUT WHAT CAN BE DONE OR BEST PRACTICES OR WHATEVER, UH, WE SHOULD DO THAT.
REST ASSURED, I DO THINK THAT WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE BOARD IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY MANAGER DID, UH, CONCLUDE HER, UH, EVALUATION, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE NEED TO CONCLUDE OURS.
AND I THINK THAT AS, UH, THE MONTHS CONTINUE, UM, THE BOARD, PLEASE, WE TALK ABOUT THE AGENDA ITEMS AS WE BREAK UP INTO OUR SUBCOMMITTEES IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS.
UM, THIS CAN, UH, THIS CAN BE A TOPIC THAT WE TALK ABOUT TO LEARN FROM AND ARE, OF COURSE, THE PURPOSE IS THAT, SO THIS NEVER COULD HAPPEN AGAIN TO, TO ANYONE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
SO I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS, THIS CASE WILL, UH, WILL BE BROUGHT UP AGAIN AMONG AS, AS WE CONTINUE.
BUT I DID WANT TO SHOW THE MEMO ANY FINAL COMMENTS BEFORE WE, WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM IN THAT CASE.
UH, LET'S, LET'S MOVE NOW TO A REPORT, UH, AGENDA ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS A REPORT ON A CRITICAL INCIDENT, UH, JUNE 28TH, 2024, I BELIEVE.
UM, SO FAR THIS YEAR WE'VE HAD FOUR CRITICAL INCIDENTS AND THREE HAPPENED BACK TO BACK TO BACK, WHICH WE WILL TALK ABOUT, UH, TODAY.
AND, UH, THE CHAIR WILL NOW RECOGNIZE SIERRA
WATCH THE VIDEO AND WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
AND THANKFULLY, WE DO HAVE, UH, MAJOR GREER HERE, UH, AND QUESTIONS THAT HE CAN'T ANSWER NOTED.
IT IS UNDER INVESTIGATION, BUT I KNOW HE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANYTHING, UM, THAT HE IS ABLE TO ANSWER SIERRA.
ON FRIDAY, JUNE 28TH, OCPO RESPONDED TO AN OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING, LOCATED AT THE 5,800 BLOCK OF BELTLINE ROAD.
AT 7:02 PM DPD RECEIVED A DISTURBANCE CALL FROM A WOMAN BEING ATTACKED AND HELD AGAINST HER WILL BY WATKINS, WHO ALLEGEDLY HAD A KNIFE.
OFFICERS ARRIVED TO FIND THE WOMAN BEING HELD IN A POSITION OUTSIDE A TENT WHILE WATKINS WAS INSIDE THE TENT WITH THE DOG.
OFFICERS IDENTIFIED AN ALLEGED KNIFE IN HIS POSSESSION AND WAS ABLE TO RECOVER THE WOMAN AND REMOVE HER.
SPENT NEARLY AN HOUR ATTEMPTING TO DEESCALATE THE SITUATION WITH WATKINS, MAKING MULTIPLE REQUESTS FOR HIM TO DROP THE WEAPON.
AFTER DEESCALATING EFFORTS WERE UNSUCCESSFUL.
DPD OFFICERS ATTEMPTED TO USE LESS THAN LETHAL FORCE, INCLUDING PEPPER SPRAY, A TASER, AND A 40 MILLIMETER STINGER THAT SHOOTS NON-LETHAL PROJECTILES.
WATKINS CONTINUED TO REFUSE COMPLIANCE, ALLEGEDLY THREATENING THE OFFICERS AFTER BEING HIT WITH A PROJECTILE IN THE KNEE.
WATKINS ALLEGEDLY LUNGED THROUGH AN OPENING OF THE TENT AT OFFICERS WITH THE KNIFE IN HIS HANDS.
OFFICERS FIRED AT WATKINS STRIKING HIM.
OFFICERS ADMINISTERED AID TO WATKINS AT THE SCENE, AND WATKINS WAS TAKEN TO PRESBYTERIAN HOSPITAL WHERE HE WAS PRONOUNCED DECEASED.
UM, AND ERIC WILL PLAY THE VIDEO ON THE SCREEN.
GIMME JUST ONE SECOND TO WRITE THE VIDEO.
IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT 12 MINUTES TO VIDEO THAT WILL BE SHARING WITH YOU AND SIERRA.
I KNOW WE, WE DID SEND THE VI VIDEOS OUT TO THE BOARD AHEAD OF TIME.
UH, AND SO, UM, I KNOW HOPEFULLY THE BOARD HAS HAD A CHANCE TO SEE MOST OF IT.
BUT ANYWAY, IF, IF THERE IS, UH, OF COURSE UNNECESSARY, UH, VIDEO FOOTAGE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE'VE ALL SEEN, WE HAVEN'T EVEN SENT THE VIDEOS, BUT, UH, GO AHEAD AND YEAH, WE'VE SHORTENED IT.
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I THINK WE'RE UNABLE TO HEAR, UH, SOUND AT THIS TIME.ERIC, IT'S NOT, WAS THE VIDEO AUDIO NOT COMING THROUGH ON YOUR SIDE? YES, ERIC, WE COULDN'T, UM, WE COULD SEE THE VIDEO, BUT WE COULD NOT HEAR ANYTHING.
OH, YOU COULDN'T SEE IT? IT WAS FIRST.
THE, THE FIRST PART OF THE VIDEO IS A 9 1 1 CALL.
UH, SO THAT WAS, UH, THE VIDEO WAS ON, BUT THE AUDIO WAS NOT, UH, ABLE TO BE HEARD.
GIMME A SECOND TO TRY TO GET THAT FIXED FOR YOU.
HEY ERIC, TRY TURNING UP THE VOLUME ON YOUR SIDE.
THE, IT SAID THAT THEY COULD HEAR IT FROM THEIR AREA.
SO, UH, DO YOUR BEST TO TRY TO, TO, UH, INCREASE THE VOLUME OUTPUT ON YOUR COMPUTER.
IT WHAT? THE BODY WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE OF THIS INCIDENT.
PLEASE DO YOU NEED POLICE, FIRE HELP? PLEASE HELP, PLEASE.
DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU ARE? I'M IN, UM, UH, ROCK CREEK APARTMENTS IN THE WOOD.
HE THREATENING GIVE THE DOG AWAY, TAKE HIM AWAY FROM ME.
YOU SAID ROCK CREEK? ROCK CREEK APARTMENTS ON BOWEN ROAD.
IS HE WHITE, BLACK, HISPANIC, WHITE? I'M SORRY, WHAT IS HE? WHITE, BLACK, HISPANIC.
WHAT COLOR SHIRT PANTS DOES HE HAVE ON? UM, UM, BLACK JEANS, JEANS, JEANS, SHIRT, SHIRT.
YOU DON'T KNOW THIS PERSON? I DO.
YOU MALE COME OUT YOUR HANDS, BOTH HANDS.
LEMME SEE YOUR HANDS REASON HURT.
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OUT THE MA'AM, GET OUT THE F*****G MA'AM.LEAVE MY GET OUT THE 10 LET GO.
HEY, CAN I COME AND HELP HER? HELP? DON'T GET ANYWHERE NEAR ME.
I WANT MY, I MAN BAD FOOTS OFF.
LOOK, I GOT NOTHING WITH MY HEAD.
WANT IT NO MORE? I GOT NOTHING.
DO HAVE TASERS? WELL THAT'S PART MY UNIFORM.
I KNOW I CAN'T TAKE MY KNIFE OFF.
I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE Y'S LIVES ON MAN, YOU THAT I MAKE'S ON.
I'M, I'M, WHAT'S WRONG? WHAT'S HURTING? I'M A GOOD GUY, MAN.
WHAT'S THAT NAME? SUITCASE ON THE BED.
HEY, WHAT IS HER NAME? WHAT'S THAT? WHAT'S HER NAME? I NEED YOU TO GET UP AND HOP ON ONE FOOT ALONE.
I NEED YOU TO HOP ON ONE FOOT.
I'M GONNA COME AND HELP HER OUT.
I'M GONNA HELP HER, OKAY? WE'RE NOT GONNA, CAN I HELP HER? YEAH, YOU CAN HELP HER.
OKAY THEN YOU STILL RIGHT THERE.
STAY RIGHT HERE, DON'T YOU? F**K.
YOU ARE APPROACHING ME, M**********R.
HEY, I'M NOT PLAYING WITH YOU.
OKAY? YOU GOOD? YES, I'M GOOD.
CAN YOU HOLD YOUR DOG? I GOT MY DOG.
YOU WANT YOUR BAG? LEAVE ME ALONE.
I'M NOT, WELL COME OVER HERE SO I CAN HELP YOU STAND.
WE GOOD? HE SAID THERE, PUT THE WEAPONS DOWN.
HEY, THAT'S FOR MY PROTECTION.
REASON ANYMORE THAT FOR MY PROTECTION.
ALL OF MY BELONGINGS ARE IN THERE.
HE HAS NO BELONGINGS IN THERE.
THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE THAT BELONG EXCEPT FOR A YEAH.
DROP THE KNIVES AND COME OUT WITH YOUR HANDS UP.
YOU GET AWAY FROM THAT OPENING.
GET AWAY FROM THE OPENING FIRST.
CAN'T GET THAT KNIFE FOR THAT.
I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU IN THE CORNER.
PICKING UP KNIVES AND TALKING IT.
IT AIN'T F*****G WORTH IT AIN'T STAY THERE.
WHAT? I'M RELOADING THUNDER GUARD, FRED.
HE'S GOT THE F*****G KNIFE IN HIS HAND THOUGH.
POP HIM IN THE KNEE WITH A CAR.
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I GOT A F*****G SHOT.MAKE SURE WE HAVE AMMO FOR THIS FINGER.
IS HE IN THE CORNER? HE'S RIGHT HERE.
IT, IT'S F*****G WORTH MY LIFE.
MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE AM FOR THIS.
UM, WE'VE SEEN, WE, WE WERE ABLE TO WITNESS THREE DIFFERENT VIEWS OF THIS CRITICAL INCIDENT.
UH, AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN UP COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD ON THIS VIDEO.
COMMENTS? QUESTIONS, UH, ANYTHING THAT THAT STOOD OUT, UH, IF WE COULD LIMIT OUR FIRST INITIAL, UH, TO TWO TO THREE MINUTES.
ANYTHING WE SAY, GIVE EVERYONE A CHANCE TO SPEAK AND THEN WE'LL, IF THERE'S MORE THAT NEEDS TO BE SAID, WE'LL HAVE A SECOND ROUND.
BUT, UH, THE CHAIR I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE, UH, DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH.
WE WERE MADE AWARE, UM, THAT THERE WAS A UNIT FOR MENTAL HEALTH.
AND I BELIEVE IN THIS SITUATION, IT MAY HAVE, IF THERE WAS SOMEONE TO ADVISE THE POLICE.
AND EVEN IN JUST COMMUNICATION, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK HE UNDERSTOOD OR OR REAL, I KNOW HE UNDERSTOOD THE WORDS, BUT I DON'T THINK IT SUNK IN MAJOR.
I DON'T KNOW IF, IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO, UH, WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IS THERE, UH, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS IN A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S A MENTAL HEALTH NEED? IS POLICE PREPARED TO, UH, TO USE OTHER TACTICS OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, GUNS AND VIOLENCE IN THIS SITUATION THAT YOU KNOW OF? ALL OFFICERS ARE TRAINED IN DEESCALATION TECHNIQUES AND DEALING WITH OFFICER OR, UH, CITIZENS THAT ARE SUFFERING FROM MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES AND MENTAL BREAKDOWN ISSUES.
UM, WE GO THROUGH TRAINING AT THE ACADEMY AS WELL AS, UH, CONTINUED IN-SERVICE ACADEMIES, UH, TRAINING REGARDING THAT ISSUE.
UH, THE UNIT THAT YOU MAY BE SPEAKING OF MAY BE, I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO, IT'S CALLED THE RIGHT CARE UNIT.
THAT UNIT WILL RESPOND WHEN IT'S INSTANCES WHERE THERE'S NO VIOLENCE THAT'S OCCURRING AT THE TIME.
UH, AND CERTAINLY THAT HAPPENS WHERE YOU HAVE, UH, CITIZENS THAT HAVE MENTAL BREAKDOWNS BUT THEY DON'T HAVE
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A KNIFE.CITIZENS THAT HAVE MENTAL BREAKDOWNS THAT THEY MAY BE THREATENING TO DO SOMETHING, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THAT IMMINENT THREAT, UH, TO CARRY IT OUT.
IMMINENT ABILITY TO CARRY IT OUT.
UM, UH, AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WITH THE, OUR TRAININGS.
UH, ALLISON, ALLISON, TER ALLEN, DISTRICT NINE.
I'M JUST WONDERING, AND MAYBE YOU CAN'T TELL ME AND I UNDERSTAND, UM, BUT THE, THE YOUNG LADY VICTIM WHO WAS EXTRICATED FROM THE TENT, DID SHE GIVE ANY BACKGROUND KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT KIND OF SUBSTANCES OR MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS THAT THE MAN WAS GOING THROUGH? I'M NOT, I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT.
'CAUSE WE, UH, OF COURSE, LIKE I STATED BEFORE, SOME OF THESE INVESTIGATIONS ARE STILL AT THE, ON THE CRIMINAL SIDE.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO UH, ANY OF THAT.
AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW AT THIS TIME 'CAUSE WE HADN'T RECEIVED IT.
UH, UH, STILL GOING THROUGH THAT INVESTIGATION PROCESS BOARD MEMBERS, UH, CHAIRMAN FREEMAN.
YEAH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD THE, THE NINE ONE ONE CALL WASN'T VERY CLEAR IN HERE.
THE, THE AUDIO, UM, IT'S A LITTLE CLEARER WHEN YOU WATCH IT ON YOUTUBE.
AND UM, IT SOUNDED TO ME LIKE HE WAS PRETTY MUCH TERRORIZING THE WOMAN IN THE TENT.
UM, AT THE END OF THE VIDEO, YOU CAN SEE HE LUNGES FORWARD AND KNEW HE HAD A KNIFE.
SO TO ME THIS LOOKED LIKE IT WAS CLEAN BOARD MEMBER SMITH.
BUT, UH, ONE THING I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT FROM THE VIDEO THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I WISH SOME OF OUR OTHER VISITORS WERE PRESENT TO HEAR THAT WE'RE ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, BASHING THE POLICE.
I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO GIVE A COMMENDATION FOR OFFICER RENARD.
I MEAN CALM, COOL, COLLECTED AND EVEN PUT HIMSELF IN BETWEEN DANGER TO PROTECT AND EX UM, EXTRACT, UH, THE YOUNG LADY OUT.
I MEAN, TO ME THAT IS, YOU KNOW, UH, A PLUS POLICE WORK AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK HE DESERVE A COMMENDATION.
UM, NOW TO KIND OF FLIP IT AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO SOUND PRUDE, BUT MAJOR I'D LIKE TO OR YOU TO JUST KIND OF ADDRESS TO US, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW WE'VE HAD THIS BEFORE ABOUT LANGUAGE, UM, AND PROFANITY.
AND I DON'T WANNA SOUND LIKE A PRUDE.
I USE PROFANE LANGUAGE MYSELF WHEN I GET RILED UP AS ANYONE DOES.
BUT SOMETIMES I THINK THAT ADDS TO, YOU KNOW, THE INTENSITY OF THE SITUATION AND CAN GO IN A NEGATIVE ROUTE.
UM, CAN YOU SPEAK TO, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL F BOMBS WERE DROPPED AND YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALREADY AS, UH, DR. GILBERT SAID YOU'RE ALREADY DEALING WITH A PERSON THAT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE HAVING MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES OR EVEN IF THEY WEREN'T JUST SOMETIMES INDIVIDUALS ARE AT THAT HEIGHTENED STATE.
UM, WHAT'S KIND OF THE TRAINING POLICY AROUND, YOU KNOW, YOUR LANGUAGE? I KNOW IT'S TO DEESCALATE, BUT SOMETIMES THAT LANGUAGE DOES THE OPPOSITE, IF YOU WILL.
UM, AS FAR AS, WE DON'T NECESSARILY TEACH THAT WE USE F-BOMBS OR ANY FOUL LANGUAGE, BUT, UM, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT OFFICERS ARE HUMAN AND, AND, AND FACED WITH IMMENSE STRESS THAT YOU, YOU'RE ACTUALLY THERE AT THE SCENE AND YOU'RE SEEING THAT, UH, SOME OF 'EM BEING TERRORIZED.
YOU'RE FACED WITH THAT DEADLY FORCE THREAT.
UM, THOSE WORDS CAN COME OUT, BUT IT'S NOTHING THAT THAT'S TAUGHT AND IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT'S, UH, PURPOSEFUL THAT WE TRY TO INFLICT UPON ANY, ANY CITIZENS.
YEAH, I I MEAN I DON'T, I MEAN THEY WERE AT RISK OF DANGER AND ALL OF THAT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS SOME TRAINING TO TRY TO MAKE AWARENESS THAT SOMETIMES THOSE WORDS, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE ARE ALSO TALKING A LOT OF TIMES CULTURALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE DOING CULTURAL AWARENESS, CERTAIN WORDS CAN TRIGGER CERTAIN THINGS IN DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS.
SO JUST KIND OF WONDERING IF THAT WAS A TACTIC OR SOME INFORMATION THAT WAS SHARED WITH OFFICERS ABOUT DEESCALATING SITUATIONS.
THAT, THAT DEESCALATION, ALL PARTS OF DEESCALATION ARE TO BRING A SITUATION FROM, FROM HERE DOWN.
AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE MINDSET THAT WE GIVE OFFICERS WHEN WE TEACH THAT DEESCALATION TRAINING.
UH, WE SHOULD USE LANGUAGE THAT THAT'S MORE CALMING WHEN IT'S FEASIBLE AND APPROPRIATE.
UH, BUT NOW SOMETIMES A HIGHER LEVEL OF LANGUAGE CAN BE THE, THE, THE CATALYST TO HELP START TO BRING IT DOWN.
UM, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERY OFFICER 'CAUSE I'M NOT IN EVERY OFFICER'S SITUATION, BUT THAT, THAT, THAT'S JUST AN IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, TO THINK ABOUT THAT, HEY, KINDA LIKE YOUR MOM YELLS AT YOU TO GET YOU UNDER CONTROL.
AND, AND IN ESSENCE, MY MOM WAS DEESCALATING IT WHEN SHE KIND OF YELLED AT ME, BUT SHE DID GO HERE TO BRING ME DOWN.
SO, UH, THERE'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO COMMEND OFFICER BERNARD.
I THINK HE DID AN EXCELLENT JOB IN THAT SITUATION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH, I GOT, UH, YES, THE JONATHAN MAPLES, UH, THE, UH, DISTRICT TWO, UM, SHE GAVE A ADDRESS.
WHAT WAS THAT ADDRESS AGAIN? WHAT WAS THE ADDRESS YOU YOU READ OFF? BECAUSE THAT LOOKED LIKE A, A HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT? YEAH,
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IT WAS, I BELIEVE, SORRY, IT WAS 5,800 BLOCK OF BELTLINE ROAD.IT, IT'S BEHIND THE TOM THUMB.
IT'S UH, AT BELTLINE IN PRESTON AT BELTLINE.
IT'S RIGHT ALONG, THERE'S, THERE, THERE'S WOODS RIGHT ALONG WHITE ROCK CREEK.
BETWEEN, BEHIND THERE'S, THERE'S APARTMENT CO THERE'S AN APARTMENT COMPLEX BEHIND THE TOM THUMB, AND THEN THERE'S WOODS, AND THEN THERE'S WHITE ROCK CREEK.
YOU SAID BELTLINE AND PRESTON.
YEAH, I KNOW, I KNOW THE, I KNOW THE AREA VERY WELL.
OKAY, SO IT'S RIGHT UP NEAR ADDISON THERE? YEAH, YEAH.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.
UM, YEAH, 'CAUSE DALLAS GOES AWAY AND DALLAS COMES BACK IN THAT AREA.
WHEN I SAY GOES AWAY AND COME BACK, I MEAN THE JU DISTRICT, THE JURISDICTION, UH, CHANGES RIGHT.
AS IT RELATES TO RIGHT CARE, THERE'S ONLY WHAT ABOUT FOUR RIGHT.
CARE UNITS AND THAT'S MOVING AROUND IN THE CITY AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
IS THAT IS ABOUT RIGHT? MAJOR? I'M NOT SURE ABOUT, I'M, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE EXACT NUMBERS FOR HOW MANY THEY HAVE ON DUTY AT ANY PARTICULAR TIME.
I DO KNOW IT'S A, IT'S AN ENTIRE UNIT AND, UH, THEY'RE VERY EFFECTIVE IN, IN GETTING ALL THE AREAS THAT WE HAVE, BUT THE, THE ACTUAL NUMBERS I DO NOT KNOW.
YEAH, I, I AGREE THAT THAT OFFICER HANDLED THAT WELL BECAUSE IN THE REPORT IT SAYS THEY WERE NEGOTIATING WITH HIM FOR AN HOUR AND PROBABLY DEALING WITH SOMEONE ON THAT MAGNITUDE IN AN HOUR TRYING TO GET HIM TO COME OUT TRYING TO, UH, REMOVE THAT YOUNG LADY FROM THAT HOSTILE SITUATION.
I THINK A FEW F-BOMBS WOULD BE JUSTIFIED.
THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL UNDERSTANDING OF IT.
UM, BUT I THINK IT WAS A CLEAN SHOOT.
I MEAN, THE GUY LUNGED WITH THE KNIFE AND, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE ENDS TO THAT MEANS.
BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
SERGEANT HIGGINS, DISTRICT THREE.
UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, UH, MS. OSU, UM, THAT YOU MENTIONED IN HERE IN AN O-O-C-P-O ANALYSIS THAT, UM, THERE WAS QUESTIONS AROUND THE TACTICAL RATIONALE REGARDING THE POSITION OF OFFICERS AND THE URGENCY AND NECESSITY TO ENGAGE FORCE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S MY CALL TO CALL IT A CLEAN SHOOT, BUT I KNOW IN THE YEARS THAT I HAVE SEEN CRITICAL INCIDENTS AND SHOOTINGS BY THE POLICE, ONE THING THAT I ALWAYS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT DEESCALATION, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, CREATING SPACE IS SOMETHING THAT I KNOW HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, UH, BY OFFICERS IN REVIEW BOARD MEETINGS AND OVERSIGHT BOARD MEETINGS ACTUALLY.
UM, I WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
SO I WAS WONDERING WHAT KIND OF QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS DID, DID, DID YOU HAVE WHEN, UM, WHEN LOOKING AT THIS? UM, I BELIEVE THE QUESTION WAS REGARDING THE SPACING OF WHERE THEY WERE.