Sep 01, 2026 Economic Development

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ALL RIGHT.

GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY.

IT'S SEPTEMBER 1ST. THE TIME IS 01:13 AND I'M CALLING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE MEETING TO ORDER. FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL

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[BRIEFING MEMOS (Part 1 of 2)]

AND WE HAVE EMILY AND DISD.

SO, EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MEMO. IT IS IN FRONT OF US. EMILY, IF WE CAN MAYBE JUST DO A QUICK RUNDOWN OF WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY AND SOME OF THE PROPOSALS.

ABSOLUTELY. EMILY LIU, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR MORENO AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. THIS MEMO IS TALKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL SCHOOL ZONING REVIEW.

DIFFERENT PROCESS, TRYING TO GET SOME FEEDBACK. THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THIS MEMO, TO GET FEEDBACK FROM YOU. SO, CURRENTLY THE DALLAS ZONING CODE REQUIRES THE SCHOOL. ANY SCHOOL PROJECT IN RESIDENTIAL HAD TO GO THROUGH EITHER SOP OR THEY HAVE TO REZONE TO A PD. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING VERY TYPICAL COMPARED TO OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICT ACROSS THE COUNTRY OR EVEN SAY FORWARDS LOCALLY WITH THE CURRENT 6 BILLION BOND PROJECT. THEY HAVE DOZENS OF NEW SCHOOLS COMING ON ONLINE AND ALSO MORE THAN SEVERAL DOZEN OF THE SCHOOL NEED TO BE REMODELED IN ADDITION, ALL OF THOSE WORK. SO, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR A LITTLE BIT. SO, THIS IS JUST SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH THE COMMITTEE TO SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION. WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IS IT SAYS BY RIGHT HERE IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE NEXT LEVEL.

YOU NEED A THREE LEVELS OF ZONING REVIEW. ONE IS BY RIGHT PERIOD. THE OTHER EXTREME IS DISCRETIONARY REVIEW. THAT'S YOUR SUPS AND YOUR REZONING CASE GO ALL THE WAY TO CITY COUNCIL. THERE'S ONE LEVEL IN BETWEEN CALLED PERMITTED WITH STANDARDS, MEANING THEY ARE ONLY ALLOWED OR PERMITTED IF CERTAIN STANDARDS ARE MET.

THIS IS MORE LIKELY TO BE IN THAT CATEGORY INSTEAD OF JUST BY RIGHT. SO, I'M JUST HERE TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU AND GET SOME DIRECTION FROM YOU AS WELL.

THANK YOU CHAIR RIDLEY.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

EMILY.

ON THIS IMPORTANT, IMPORTANT SUBJECT, I UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT'S MOTIVATING THIS IS THE 6.2 BILLION DOLLAR BOND PROPOSITION THAT THE VOTERS PASSED TO BUILD ADDITIONAL OR REFURBISH EXISTING DISD FACILITIES. AND THEIR CONCERN ABOUT THE TIME PERIOD THAT IT TAKES FOR THE CITY IN THE NORMAL COURSE OF BUSINESS TO PROCESS THINGS LIKE ZONING REQUESTS AND SUPS.

ON THE ONE HAND, I BELIEVE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ALLOW AN AVENUE FOR RESIDENTS LIVING NEAR SCHOOLS OR SCHOOL SITES TO HAVE INPUT ON HOW THOSE SCHOOLS MANAGE TRAFFIC, HOW THEY'RE DESIGNED TO NOT HAVE TOO GREAT AN IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN WHICH THEY'RE LOCATED. AND I THINK THE SUP PROCESS IS A GOOD ONE IN WHICH TO DO THAT BECAUSE THAT REQUIRES THEM TO DO TCPS TO MANAGE TRAFFIC SO, IT'S NOT CLOGGING UP THEIR STREETS.

ON THE OTHER HAND, I UNDERSTAND THAT ONE OF THE AVENUES THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING TO ASSIST DISD IN THE TURNAROUND PROCESS IS TO HIRE UP TO FOUR NEW PERSONNEL WHO WOULD BE PAID FOR BY DISD, WHO WOULD WORK EXCLUSIVELY ON DISD APPLICATIONS TO FACILITATE THE RAPID TURNAROUND. IS THAT CORRECT? YOU ARE CORRECT ON BOTH SIDES. THE ADDITIONAL STAFF IS SIMPLY HANDLE ADDITIONAL MOSTLY RELATED PERMITTING. BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THE ZONING BY RIGHT THEY STILL HAVE TO GO TO THE PERMITTING SIDE AND THEY'RE JUST LIKE GOING TO BE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT

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BUT THAT'S A SEPARATE SUBJECT FROM THIS. REGARDLESS, WE NEED ADDITIONAL STAFF TO BE DEDICATED TO SCHOOL PROJECT. THAT MEANS THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT OR DON'T HAVE TO BE IN LINE WITH COMPARED TO OTHER PROJECTS. SO, THAT'S GOING TO BE HOUSED UNDER THE PERMITTING SECTION OF OUR DIVISION. I THINK THEY AGREE TO PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR FOUR STAFF AND ALSO ADDITIONAL MONEY IN CASE WE NEED SOME CONSULTANT HELP, THIRD PARTY OR OVER TIME.

BUT THE GOAL IS TO GET THEM THROUGH THE SYSTEM QUICKLY.

WELL, AND I SUPPORT THAT SOLUTION. I THINK IT'S A GREAT SOLUTION FOR A TEMPORARY PROBLEM. IT EVENTUALLY WILL GO AWAY, ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND IT MAY TAKE 10 YEARS TO BUILD OUT ALL OF THESE FACILITIES. AND SO, IT DOES PROVIDE SOME LONGER TERM SECURITY FOR THE EMPLOYEES.

THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE NEEDED FOR WHILE, BUT IT DOESN'T ADD TO THE CITY'S OVERHEAD. A FINAL NOTE, MR. CHAIR, AND THAT IS THAT I THINK THAT THIS COMMITTEE SHOULD LOOK AT HOW WE TREAT THE DIFFERENT VARIETIES OF SCHOOLS UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.

SHOULD WE HAVE DIFFERENT PROVISIONS FOR PUBLIC VERSUS CHARTER VERSUS PRIVATE SCHOOLS? I THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE WORTH LOOKING AT. THANK YOU.

OKAY, EMILY, IF YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT LAST COMMENT ON PUBLIC VERSUS CHARTER SCHOOLS AND HOW WE HAVE TO TREAT THEM EVERYWHERE ELSE. I WOULD SAY PUBLIC SCHOOL AND PRIVATE SCHOOL CAN BE REGULATED DIFFERENTLY, BUT CHARTER SCHOOL AND PUBLIC SCHOOL ARE USUALLY THE SAME, TREAT THE SAME. I THINK WE HAVE LEGAL COUNSEL HERE AND CAN GUIDE US FROM THAT. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING CHARTER SCHOOL AND PUBLIC SCHOOL WILL BE TREATED THE SAME WAY. PRIVATE SCHOOL, HOWEVER, YOU CAN STILL CONTINUE TO REQUIRE SOP. CURRENTLY PRIVATE SCHOOL REQUIRE SOP WHETHER IS IN RESIDENTIAL OR EVEN IN COMMERCIAL. SO, THE PUBLIC SCHOOL ONLY NEED SUP IN RESIDENTIAL BUT NOT COMMERCIAL. SO, THEY ARE ALREADY REGULATED DIFFERENTLY RIGHT NOW.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER.

YEAH, I DEFINITELY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS. I ACTUALLY HAVE A SCHOOL IN MY DISTRICT THAT DID NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PERMITTING AND ZONING AND I GET COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT SCHOOL EVERY DAY.

IT'S NOT A DISD SCHOOL, BUT IT, I THINK IT'S BEEN USED AS A MODEL OF WHAT NOT TO DO.

AND SO, I DEFINITELY DO HAVE CONCERNS. I KNOW WHEN WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS WITH NEW SCHOOLS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT IN MY DISTRICT, I FEEL LIKE IT'S BEEN A BETTER SCHOOL AND COMMUNITY HAS BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE INPUT AND IT'S BEEN WELL RECEIVED. AND WITH THOSE SCHOOLS I, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE COMPLAINTS THAT I DID WITH THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR SCHOOL. SO, I, I DEFINITELY HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION.

AND COUNCILMEMBER CADENA, THANK YOU FOR THAT LAST PART BECAUSE I THINK WE ARE TRYING TO GET SOME DIRECTION. SO, I APPRECIATE THAT. LAST COMMENT.

COUNCILMEMBER ROTH, THANK YOU FOR PRESENTATION. I'M, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE ACCESS TO THE PROJECT THAT HAVE INPUT IN THOSE PROJECTS THAT DIRECTLY AFFECT THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING NEXT TO THE PROJECTS.

AND WE'VE HAD SOME, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A REFLECTION ON DISD. WE WANT TO HAVE THE BEST SCHOOLS. WE WANT TO HAVE UP TO DATE MODERN, YOU KNOW, FIRST CLASS FACILITIES. BUT LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS TO HAVE SOME PRIORITY IN WHAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THEM. AND WE'VE ALREADY HAD SOME EXPERIENCES IN MY DISTRICT WITH RISD WHICH HAVE BEEN VERY POSITIVE SITUATIONS WHERE THEY'VE BEEN COOPERATIVE, THEY'VE BEEN HELPFUL, THEY'VE TAKEN THE INPUT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND INCORPORATED THEM INTO THEIR DESIGNS, INTO THEIR THINGS. AND IT'S MADE FOR A BETTER FUTURE ACTIVITY, A BETTER RELATIONSHIP BUILDING.

AND IT'S ALSO BEEN A GOOD TEMPLATE FOR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS. SO, I'M REAL CONCERNED ABOUT NOT HAVING A SYSTEM WHERE THE PUBLIC IS ABLE TO WEIGH IN. AND IF YOU'RE ONLY GETTING YOUR CONTROL IS REALLY ONLY IN THE PERMITTING SIDE. THE PERMITTING SIDE REALLY ISN'T IN THE PUBLIC SIDE.

IN OTHER WORDS, BY THAT TIME THAT'S REALLY A STAFF INTERNAL SITUATION. IF I UNDERSTAND HOW THE PROCESS WORKS. AND SO, I THINK WE LOSE THE OPPORTUNITY

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BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO BE SENSITIVE AND GIVE PRIORITY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I WOULD BE VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT ANYTHING THAT ELIMINATES OR DILUTES THE ABILITY FOR OUR NEIGHBORS TO WEIGH IN IN A SELFISH MANNER. I LIVE ACROSS FROM TWO SCHOOLS. I LITERALLY LIVE NEXT DOOR TO SCHOOLS. AND IF THEY'RE GOING TO CONVERT THAT INTO A BUS HUB, IF THEY'RE GOING TO CONVERT IT INTO A SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE DOUBLING THE SIZE OF THE POPULATION OF THE KIDS, IF THEY'RE CHANGING THE LOCATION OF THE BALL FIELDS AND STUFF, AGAIN, ALL THOSE THINGS ARE POSITIVE.

IT'S ALL IMPROVEMENTS. BUT I THINK THAT I'M ENTITLED AS A CITIZEN AND AS A NEIGHBOR TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT, GET AHEAD OF IT AND MAKE SUGGESTIONS CONSTRUCTIVELY IF WE FEEL LIKE IT'S ADVERSELY IMPACTING US.

SO, AGAIN, I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP OUR FOCUS ON THE EFFECT ON ANY KIND OF A DEVELOPMENT RELATED TO THE. I LOVE THE IDEA OF HAVING A DEDICATED PERSON SPEARHEADING THAT. I THINK FOR EVERY MAJOR PROJECT THAT WE HAVE IN THIS CITY, WE SHOULD HAVE A CONCIERGE OR A DEDICATED PERSON IN YOUR DEPARTMENT WHO IS. WHO IS HELPING NAVIGATE THIS STUFF, ESPECIALLY FOR INDUSTRIES AND FOR PARTICULAR LARGE CLIENTS.

AND SO, THAT I THINK WOULD BE A GOOD SITUATION TO HELP MITIGATE SOME OF THE.

MAYBE DELAY PART OF THIS. I'M SORRY NOT TO GIVE YOU A DIRECTION, BUT I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD STILL HAS TO BE PROTECTED.

FOR YOUR LAST COMMENT, COUNCILMAN ROSS, I LIKE IT. WE ARE GOING IN THAT DIRECTION.

WE ALREADY STARTED TO ASSIGN STAFF TO TAKE CARE OF EACH OF THE CASE, ESPECIALLY NEW COMMERCIAL CASE.

WE HAVE SOMEBODY CALLED CASE MANAGER. THANK YOU.

CHAIR GRACEY, THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR THIS. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. HOW MANY PROJECTS FOR THIS DISD BOND PROGRAM WILL BE ON EXISTING PROPERTIES? BRENT ALFRED, CHIEF CONSTRUCTION OFFICER WITH DALLAS DISD. SO, WITH CEDAR BOND AND OPERATIONS OF DISD, ALL OUR NEW SCHOOLS WILL BE ON EXISTING CAMPUSES.

SO, AND JUST SO, I CAN GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF THAT, IS IT GOING TO BE, I DON'T KNOW THE ORDER OF IT.

ARE YOU GOING TO CONSTRUCT AND THEN ON THAT SAME PROPERTY, WHICH MEANS WOULD IT BE LIKE IF THE EXISTING SCHOOL IS, I DON'T KNOW, 20FT FROM THE STREET, THE NEW SCHOOL WILL BE BEHIND THAT SCHOOL. WHAT IS THAT WALK ME THROUGH WHAT? THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS? YEAH. TYPICALLY, ON OUR EXISTING CAMPUSES, WE HAVE THE SCHOOL AND THEN WE HAVE THE GREENFIELD. WE TYPICALLY ARE BUILDING ON THE GREENFIELD, OUR NEW STRUCTURE. WE OCCUPY IT, THEN WE DEMO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND THAT BECOMES THE NEW GREENFIELD. SO, WE KIND OF DO A FLIP FLOP. THAT'S THE STANDARD PROCESS. WE SEE WE'RE NOT ACQUIRING ANY NEW PROPERTY IN THIS BOND PROGRAM.

SO, WHICH BRINGS ME TO THIS.

SO, OF THESE, HOW MANY ARE CURRENTLY. IF YOU DON'T KNOW, THAT'S FINE.

BUT HOW MANY ARE IN NON RESIDENTIAL CURRENTLY? HOW MANY ARE IN RESIDENTIAL? JUST TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE SAYING YES OR NO TO.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT, I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW.

JUST DOWN THE ROAD, I THINK ROUGHLY COUNCILMAN, 99%, I'M COMFORTABLE SAYING, ARE IN RESIDENTIAL IN THE CURRENT AREA RIGHT NOW.

AND TO RESPOND TO ANOTHER COMMENT, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A PUBLIC PROCESS WHERE WE GO TO THE PUBLIC AND WE HAVE THEM PARTICIPATE IN THE DESIGN WHERE THEY LOOK AT THINGS AS FAR AS LANDSCAPING. OUR COLOR BOARDS, THEY PICK THE BRICK EXTERIOR, WE LOOK AT THE INTERIOR GRAPHICS THEY WANT TO SEE BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY BRANDING IT FOR THAT PARTICULAR COMMUNITY.

AND THAT'S OUR CURRENT PROCESS.

WE DO A MINIMUM OF TWO MEETINGS TO SHOW THEM OUR SCHEMATIC, DESIGN, OUR CONCEPTS, AND THEN COME BACK AT WHAT WE CALL DESIGN DEVELOPMENT.

OKAY. OKAY. AND WITH, WITH THE MAJORITY OF THESE SCHOOLS THAT THE NEW ONES THAT WILL BE BUILT, I'M ASSUMING BECAUSE SOME OF THE ISSUES ARE WITH THE PARKING AND ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, THAT CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADJUST IF THERE ARE SOME EXISTING TRAFFIC ISSUES NOW, THIS GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADJUST SOME OF THAT DURING THIS.

CORRECT, CORRECT. I'M COMFORTABLE SAYING WE'LL BE ABLE TO IMPROVE WHATEVER EXISTING TRAFFIC CONDITION

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OKAY, AND THEN, EMILY, I DON'T THINK I HEARD YOU, OR CAN YOU EXPLAIN SOME MORE? DO WE OR DO WE NOT TREAT PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND CHARTERS DIFFERENTLY? WE TREAT THEM THE SAME.

OKAY.

PUBLIC SCHOOL, CHARTER SCHOOL, SAME. HOWEVER, PRIVATE SCHOOL, WE CAN TREAT THEM DIFFERENT.

LIKE PRIVATE SCHOOL CURRENTLY REQUIRE SOP BOTH ON RESIDENTIAL AND NON RESIDENTIAL. THE PUBLIC SCHOOL RIGHT NOW ONLY REQUIRE SOP ON RESIDENTIAL ZONE PROPERTY.

GOT IT. OKAY. AND IN THIS CASE, YOU SAID ROUGHLY ABOUT 90% OF THEM ARE ALREADY IN RESIDENTIAL. SO, THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT. AND THEN WITH THE OUTREACH THAT YOU ALL DO, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE FEEDBACK FROM THERE.

I AM TOO. I SHARE THOSE CONCERNS FROM, FROM A. YEAH, I CAN APPRECIATE Y' ALL DOING THAT, BUT JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY WAS ACTUALLY HEARD IS THE PIECE THAT I THINK CREATES SOME, SOME HESITATION FROM THERE. I'M NOT SURE WHERE I AM RIGHT NOW. I THINK I'M LEANING ON THIS SIDE, BUT I WANT TO CONTINUE TO LISTEN.

THANK YOU, SIR. COUNCILMEMBER BLAIR.

HI, HOW ARE BOTH OF YOU DOING TODAY? THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. YOU KNOW, BOTH OF YOU, I'VE WORKED VERY INTENSELY WITH, WITH, WITH SCHOOLS THAT ARE BEING REBUILT AND I SHARE THE CONCERN ABOUT TMPS AND ABOUT PUS TRAFFIC ON, ON RESIDENTIAL AREAS. A SCHOOL IN COUNCILMAN GRACEY'S DISTRICT, I HAVE A FRIEND WHO LIVES RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET OR SO, AND WHEN WE FLIPPED IT, THE BUS TRAFFIC IS NOW IN FRONT OF HER HOUSE AND SHE'S NOT REALLY THRILLED WITH US.

SO, EVERY TIME I SEE HER, I GET AN EARFUL. EVERY TIME I SEE HER, I GET AN EARFUL. SO, I'M INTERESTED IN, AND I UNDERSTAND STANDARDIZING AND MAKING THINGS FASTER, BUT THE FACT.

WHERE I RECOGNIZE THERE IS A NEED FOR SPEED IS NOT IN THE FRONT END, IS IN THE BACK END. THROUGH THE PERMITTING DEPARTMENT WHEN, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU DO, WHEN YOU ARE DOING YOUR. YOUR UP FRONT DUE DILIGENCE, I'M FINDING THAT ON THE BACK END THE PERMITTING DEPARTMENT HAS A DIFFERENT CONCEPT AND IDEA. SO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE OF A STANDARDIZATION THAT SAYS THAT KNOWS THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE TMPS, KNOW THAT WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THE INTERIM PERIOD WHERE YOU HAVE, WHERE YOU'VE TAKEN A LOT OF SPACE AWAY, HOW LONG THAT TIME IS GOING TO TAKE, THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO FEEL THE DISCOMFORT OF HAVING ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT NORMALLY WOULD BE ON THE SCHOOL PROPERTY ON THE STREET. THEN I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. ALFORD, OF THE SCHOOLS THAT ARE GETTING READY TO BE REBUILT. I KNOW ONE OF MINES ARE GOING TO BE GROUND UP AND IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN CHANGE THE ORIENTATION FROM WHERE IT IS SO, THAT YOU CAN MITIGATE SOME OF THE DANGERS THAT THE CHILDREN SEE. BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A SCHOOL THAT IS SMALL ON FOOTPRINT, HEAVY ON TRAFFIC, AND YOU'RE UTILIZING A LOT OF THE STREETS, HOW IS THERE A WAY THAT WE.

THAT YOU CAN BETTER SERVE THE COMMUNITY SO, THAT THE TRAFFIC IS NOT NECESSARILY ALL ON THE STREET? YES.

I THINK IN THE LAST BOND, WE REPLACED 16 CAMPUSES. OUT OF THOSE 16, WE HAD THREE VERY SMALL SITES, THREE TO FOUR ACRES, WHERE I TYPICALLY NEED 10, WHERE WE RELOCATED THAT ENTIRE CAMPUS TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION.

SO, WE DIDN'T JUST DO THE FLIP FLOP BECAUSE THE SITE WAS TOO TIGHT ON THOSE CAMPUSES. I THINK WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT APPROACH AFTER WE AGAIN ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY. BECAUSE SHIFTING TO ANOTHER CAMPUS, ANOTHER BOUNDARY IS A COMMUNITY CONVERSATION. WE DON'T WORK IN A SILO AND WE'LL GET THAT FEEDBACK WITH THE NEIGHBORS, WITH THE PARENTS AND THE STAFF TO GET THAT RECOMMENDATION. BUT

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I APPRECIATE THAT. AND WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO EVEN CHARTER SCHOOLS, THEY ARE MORE TRAFFIC INTENSE THAN EVEN OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL SCHOOLS.

WELL, OUR PRIVATE SCHOOLS.

SO, A LOT OF TIMES OUR PUBLIC, OUR PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND OUR CHARTER SCHOOLS, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT IN THE COMMUNITY, THEY'RE MORE, THEY'RE MORE CAR ACCENTUATE AND THEY DON'T HAVE BUSES. SO, YOU SEE MORE TRAFFIC DURING THE HOURS OF COMING IN AND LEAVING. WE SHARE A CHARTER SCHOOL WHERE THEY LITERALLY SHUT DOWN A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE AND A SERVICE ROAD WHEN IT'S TIME TO PICK UP AND DROP OFF. SO, WHEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU WANT TO TREAT THEM ALL THE SAME, THEIR INTENSITY ARE NEVER THE SAME. AND BECAUSE THEIR INTENSITY, MS. LOU, IS NEVER THE SAME, IT'S A HARD TIME TAKING A ROUND PEG AND PUTTING IT IN A SQUARE HOLE. SO, WHAT WAS THAT? VICE VERSA, SQUARING AROUND. SO, SAYING THAT YOU WANT TO TREAT THEM ALL THE SAME IS BY NATURE AS SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT FIT. SO, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE INTENSITY OF HOW THEY ARE OPERATING IS SOMETHING WE CAN MANAGE TOO. I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING THIS MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF SCHOOLS THAT ARE GOING TO BE REBUILT, IT DEPENDS.

HERE'S SOME FACTORS I SEE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER OR NOT THE SCHOOL IS BEING BUILT ON PLACE OR IF THE SCHOOL IS BEING EVACUATED AND THEN COMPLETE TEAR DOWN TO REBUILT. THOSE ARE THE EASIEST. IF THEY ARE. IF YOU'RE TAKING GREEN SPACE AND BUILDING ON THE GREEN SPACE AND THEN TEARING DOWN ONCE THE NEW BUILD THAT SEE THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER THE NEW TRAFFIC, THE NEW TMP INTENSITY WILL BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR NOT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BECAUSE IF IT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT INTENSITY THAT RESIDENTS DIDN'T SEE BEFORE THE SCHOOL WAS BUILT AND THEN THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH THE SCHOOL.

AND THEN IF YOU CAN, IF YOU WERE TO SAY LET'S MAKE IT LOOK THIS WAY AND YOU ANSWER QUESTIONS LIKE THAT, THEN I CAN SEE MOVING FORWARD TO A STANDARDIZATION THAT WILL, THAT WILL DECREASE THE TIME IT TAKES ON THE FRONT END.

BUT YOU WILL ALSO, I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT ON THE PERMITTING SIDE, YOU HAVE THOSE THAT ARE DOING THE PERMITTING IN THE FRONT END.

SO, WHEN THEY HEAR THE DESIGN, THE DESIRE AND WHAT THE DESIGNS LOOK LIKE, THEN THOSE IN THE PERMITTING ALSO HAS THE CONCEPT AND THE IDEAL AND THEY ARE WORKING AS COHESIVELY TOGETHER INSTEAD OF NOT UNDERSTANDING THE FULL BREADTH OF WHAT'S BEING DEVELOPED AND HOW IT'S BEING DEVELOPED. BECAUSE THEN YOU WILL SEE A MORE RAPID DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IN THE FRONT AND IN THE BACK.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO, IS A COMPLETELY QUICKER WAY OF DOING THINGS THAT ARE, THAT CAN BE NON SUBJECTIVE AND BE LESS INTENSIVE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

CHAIR WEST, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS TO US. OKAY, SO, IN GENERAL, I DO SUPPORT STREAMLINING PERMITTING FOR ANYONE DOING BUSINESS WITH THE CITY, ESPECIALLY GOOD PARTNERS LIKE DISD. I SHARE, I THINK, ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES CONCERNS, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR SINGLE FAMILY OR AS

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OKAY, GOT IT. THANK YOU. AND THEN AS A SIDE NOTE, I'VE ALWAYS WONDERED WHY MY CHARTER SCHOOLS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD SEEM TO HAVE MORE TRAFFIC ISSUES.

AND I DIDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE BUSES. AND SO, I GUESS IS A QUESTION FOR CITY ATTORNEY MAYBE OFFLINE TO CONSIDER IS HAVE WE LOOKED AT THAT DISTINCTION IN CHARTER SCHOOLS AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS COMPARED TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND HOW THEY COULD BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY GIVEN THE FACT THAT THEY DO NOT PROVIDE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION? I KNOW THAT'S A TRICKY ISSUE WITH THE STATE.

SO, I'M NOT TRYING TO GET US INTO, YOU KNOW, GET A PHONE CALL FROM THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE HERE. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE'VE GONE DOWN THIS ROAD AND HAD THIS ANALYSIS.

YEAH, THIS.

LAURA MORRISON, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. THE CITY CODE NEEDS TO TREAT CHARTER SCHOOLS AND ISD SCHOOLS THE SAME. HOWEVER, WHEN A ZONING CASE COMES BEFORE THE PLAN COMMISSION OR BEFORE THE COUNCIL, EACH ZONING CASE IS TAKEN ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS AND EVERYTHING IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. YOU LOOK AT THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE, YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING CASE AS A WHOLE.

SO, YOU DEFINITELY LOOK AT THE NEEDS OF THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT, HOW A PROJECT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT FROM ANOTHER PROJECT, HOW IT MIGHT IMPACT THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES DIFFERENTLY THAN MAYBE SAY ANOTHER PROJECT THAT'S SIMILAR, BUT NOT NECESSARILY EXACTLY THE SAME.

OKAY, THANK YOU. AND I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE ANY PLAN COMMISSIONERS THAT MIGHT BE LISTENING TO TAKE THAT TO HEART, ESPECIALLY ON THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN.

SO, THEN TO GIVE YOU SPECIFIC FEEDBACK, I'M GOING TO. I HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS SLIGHTLY ON COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY VERSUS ALL OTHERS FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL. THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW NON RESIDENTIAL USES THAT CAN COME INTO NEIGHBORHOODS AND FRANKLY IT IS THE MOST TRAFFIC INTENSIVE USE THAT WE HAVE. I HAVE TWO KIDS AT DIFFERENT DISD SCHOOLS AND TRAFFIC'S CRAZY DURING DROP OFF AND PICKUP I CAN ATTEST TO.

PERSONALLY, I THINK I SUPPORT KEEPING DISTANCE, THE SUP REQUIREMENT AS IT IS.

AS MR. RIDLEY MENTIONED. I THINK IT IS THE BEST WAY FOR ALL OF US TO GET WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, WHICH IS COMMUNITY INPUT INTO THIS PROCESS. I PERSONALLY HAD AT LEAST TWO SITUATIONS WHERE DISD PROPOSALS HAVE COME BEFORE. EITHER I WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON ONE AND I WAS ON COUNCIL ON ANOTHER. AND IT WAS DISTRICT 1 DISD CAMPUSES THAT WERE PROPOSING NO SIDEWALKS ON ONE SIDE OF IT AND THEY HAD A REASON FOR IT. THEN IT'S LIKE THERE'S NO EXCUSE TO NOT HAVE SIDEWALKS IN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO, IF WE HAD NOT HAD THOSE CASES COME BEFORE US, IT'S VERY LIKELY THERE WOULD BE NO SIDEWALKS ON ONE SIDE OF BOTH OF THOSE CAMPUSES. I'VE HAD OTHER SITUATIONS WHERE THERE HAVEN'T BEEN TREES AND LANDSCAPING PROVIDED. AND I JUST THINK THAT HAVING THE CITY REVIEW THAT AND THEN HAVING THOSE OF US WHO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND OUR APPOINTEES ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE FEEDBACK ON THIS VERY IMPORTANT SITUATION IS JUST ESSENTIAL. AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST IS THE TRAFFIC.

JUST HAVING ADDITIONAL EYES FROM PEOPLE ON THE GROUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS IS KEY.

AND I REALIZE DISD DOES THIS.

I'M AWARE OF, YOU HAVE YOUR ON CAMPUS REVIEW COMMITTEE, BUT THIS IS DIFFERENT HERE.

AND FRANKLY WE'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO PAY FOR. THE CITY HAS TO PAY FOR THE CROSSING GUARDS. SO, WHATEVER COMES OUT OF THE TMP, WE'RE PAYING FOR THAT. SO, ALL OTHERS I WROTE DOWN. SO, IF IT'S NOT SINGLE FAMILY, THE COMMERCIAL AREAS, I COULD SUPPORT SOME DESIGN STANDARDS STAFF DOING THAT. THAT BEING A MORE EXPEDITED REVIEW. I STILL THINK TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN SHOULD COME TO COUNCIL OR AT LEAST CPC ON THAT.

BUT I COULD, I COULD SUPPORT MORE EXPEDITED REVIEW AND POSSIBLY NOT AN SUP FOR THAT.

THANK YOU, CHAIR STEWART. ALL RIGHT, SO, I TOO HAVE A CHILD IN THE ISD AND WAS ABLE TO HAVE MY STUDENT IN THE CAMPUS WHILE CONSTRUCTION WAS GOING ON. I KNOW I SAW THE

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BUT THAT'S AN ADDED BURDEN THAT WE'RE LOOKING INTO OUR CITY COFFERS. YES, THAT'S RIGHT. THAT WE PAY. I AM ALL FOR DESIGN STANDARDS. I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE STREAMLINED. I THINK THAT I HAVE VOICED CONCERN ON HOW NARROW SIDEWALKS ARE AT TIMES AND MAKING SURE THEY'RE SIX TO EIGHT FEET, MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE FENCE LINES ABUTTING THE SIDEWALKS THAT WERE CREATING GREEN SPACE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING LAST NIGHT WHERE PEOPLE GAVE FEEDBACK, PEOPLE GAVE INPUT. AND SO, I REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT IS WHAT CHANGES IF WE STREAMLINE OUR SUP OR DON'T REQUIRE AN SUP, WHAT COMMITMENT CAN THE SCHOOL, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PROVIDE TO COUNCIL TO NEIGHBORS, MAKING SURE THAT THAT PROCESS DOESN'T CHANGE? YEAH, WE HAVE, AS YOU KNOW, OUR BOARD OF TRUSTEES. WE CAN ADOPT IN OUR POLICY AND PROCEDURES THESE PUBLIC PROCESSES. WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS PER MONTH WHERE THE PUBLIC IS WELCOME TO SPEAK AT ANY TIME. AND LIKE I SAID, IF WE PUT IT IN OUR POLICIES THAT NO MATTER WHO'S IN MY SEAT CURRENTLY, WE WOULD STILL ENGAGE THE PUBLIC THROUGHOUT THE DESIGN, GET FEEDBACK, MAKE IT PUBLIC ISSUED MINUTES.

AND I THINK THAT WOULD GIVE YOU SOME CERTAINTY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A BINDING BODY THAT GOVERNS US THAT WILL MAKE SURE WE KEEP THAT PROCESS TRANSPARENT. SURE.

SO, FOR THE ATTORNEYS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH AN INTERLOCAL GOVERNMENT AGREEMENT TO HAVE BOTH PARTIES ACTUALLY AGREE TO THOSE TERMS? WE TALK ABOUT THIS IN LENGTH.

WE FEEL ANYTHING RELATED LAND USE AND THEN STANDARD NEED TO BE IN THE ZONING CODE INSTEAD OF HAVING A SEPARATE INTER LOCAL GOVERNMENT AGREEMENT. AND OUR ATTORNEY IS HERE TO ANSWER DIRECTLY.

LAURA MORRISON CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WE COULDN'T ENTER INTO LIKE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WOULD CONFLICT WITH ANYTHING IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.

BUT I MEAN, I GUESS WHAT ARE YOU ASKING? IF WE COULD ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT THAT THEY HOST PUBLIC LIKE COMMUNITY? SURE.

LIKE IF THAT'S THROUGH A RESOLUTION OR IF THAT'S THROUGH SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT THAT SAYS THERE WILL BE TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS HELD.

YEAH, I DON'T SEE WHY NOT.

AN AGREEMENT COULD BE REACHED BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS. AND KEEP IN MIND THE DISD IS NOT THE ONLY SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT OPERATES YOU KNOW, ISD SCHOOLS IN DALLAS.

BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT.

OKAY, EMILY, WHAT OTHER CITIES EITHER HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT IS SIMILAR OR ARE LOOKING AT EXPLORING WHAT DALLAS IS REVIEWING CURRENTLY? WELL, MOSTLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY THE SCHOOL ARE TREATED DIFFERENTLY THAN OTHER USES IN EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NON RESIDENTIAL IN RESIDENTIAL BUT THEY'RE SERVING THE RESIDENTIAL USE. GENERALLY SPEAKING, THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO SERVE THE PEOPLE LIVING AROUND IT. BUT SO, SOME CITIES I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST IN TEXAS, TOTALLY EXEMPT SCREW FROM ANY ZONING.

THEY'RE CALLED COMMUNITY FACILITY REVIEW. THEY DON'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ZONING CODE. HOWEVER, IN THAT PART OF THE COMMUNITY FACILITY REVIEW YEARLY IS VOLUNTARY. THE SCHOOL WILL DO SOME PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT FOR CERTAIN SIZE. SOME OTHER DISTRICT LIKE FORWARDS THEY ALLOW THEM BY RIGHT. BUT ALSO ANOTHER LEVEL IS ALLOW THEM BY NOT BY RIGHT ALLOW THEM PERMITTED WITH STANDARDS. ONE OF THE STANDARD COULD BE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. YOU HAVE TO HOLD A MINIMUM OF TWO PUBLIC MEETING AS PART OF THAT REQUIREMENT. IF YOU DON'T MEET THAT REQUIREMENT THEN YOU GO TO SUP. YOU HAVE THE SIDEWALK HAVE TO BE 6FT, 8FT, WHATEVER. EVENTUALLY YOU DECIDE HOW MANY TREES YOU NEED TO DO. I KNOW FENCES ARE REALLY SOMETIMES A SUBJECT. LIGHTING NOISE, DEFINITELY TRAFFIC. ALL OF THOSE HAS BEEN SPELLED OUT AT THE VERY BEGINNING WITH PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, WITH PUBLIC INPUT. AND YOU WILL REVIEW THAT AND THEN ADOPT THAT. SO, THIS WILL BE MORE LIKE A TAX AMENDMENT ROUTE.

BUT YOU HAVE TO REVIEW ALL THE STANDARDS IN UP FRONT. IT'S BETTER FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. I'M NOT SPEAKING ON THEIR BEHALF

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BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, FOR SCHOOL STANDARDIZED ACROSS THE COUNTRY THERE IS EXACTLY FROM ZONING OR ALLOWED BY RIGHT. OUR CASE IS IT COULD BE ALLOWED PERMIT WITHSTANDERS.

THOSE STANDARDS ARE VERY IMPORTANT FOR YOU. THE LIGHTING HAS TO BE CERTAIN HEIGHT TURN OFF CERTAIN HOURS. OR YOU KNOW, THE FENCE HAS TO BE SET BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND THE TREES HAS TO BE PLANTED.

AMENITY HAS PROVIDED ALL OF THOSE WILL BE NEGOTIATED UP FRONT. SO, IT'S NOT CASE BY CASE. IT'S EASIER FOR OUR PERMITTING STAFF TOO TO KNOW THAT STANDARD. SO, EACH SCHOOL THAT INSTEAD OF EACH K EACH SCHOOL ABOUT 50 SOME SCHOOL ARE DIFFERENT STANDARDS. IT'S PROBABLY EASIER TO MAKE MISTAKE. I'M NOT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE D, ALTHOUGH I LOVE YOU, BUT I JUST LIKE WHAT THE BEST STANDARDS THE PRACTICE ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THANK YOU, EMILY. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIM AND I'LL DO SLASH TRUSTEE TODAY SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SCHOOLS. ANY COMMENT? OKAY.

AND SO, WE WILL DO A SECOND ROUND. WHAT I'M GATHERING THOUGH, EMILY, IS THAT THERE ARE STILL SOME QUESTIONS AND WE PROBABLY NEED TO STILL DEFINE THIS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER. BUT WITH THAT, LET ME START NOW WITH CHAIR STEWART AND GO BACKWARDS.

COUNCILMEMBER ROTH, JUST A QUICK THING, SOMETHING THAT YOU MENTIONED REALLY IMPORTANT HERE, FOLKS. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FLIPPING THE SCHOOLS AND THAT'S NOT A BAD DESIGN AND A BAD THOUGHT IN AN EFFICIENT WAY TO REDEVELOP THE SCHOOLS. BUT WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU FLIP THOSE SCHOOLS, YOU'RE PUTTING, YOU'RE CHANGING THE DYNAMICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S ENGAGEMENT TO THAT SCHOOL.

WHEN YOU FLIP THE BUILDING INTO WHERE THE FIELD WAS AND WHERE THE STADIUM WAS OR WHERE THE PARKING WAS, YOU ARE TYPICALLY COMING CLOSER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THOSE WERE TYPICALLY ON THE STREET.

SO, THAT KIND OF A MODEL FOR REDEVELOPMENT OF THESE SITES IS REALLY IMPORTANT ON A DESIGN PERMITTING. YOU'RE ALSO EXPANDING THESE BUILDINGS, WHICH IS GOOD, BUT YOU'RE BUILDING THEM BIGGER, THEY'RE GOING TO BE TALLER. WE SAW THIS WITH RICHARDSON ISD AND THEY'RE MAKING BEAUTIFUL SCHOOLS AND THEY'RE. IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT IN DALLAS, TOO. BUT YOU'VE GOT TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I'M NOT GOING TO APPROVE OR ENDORSE SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT ALLOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE ENGAGED.

I DON'T WANT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO KILL YOUR PROJECTS. I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE UNREASONABLE.

BUT THEY HAVE GOT TO BE IN THAT PROCESS. ABSOLUTELY.

COUNCILMEMBER CADENA, EMILY, ONE QUESTION FOR ME. SO, YOU MENTIONED ABOUT IT BEING ZONING REFORM.

SO, THIS WOULD BE MOVING FORWARD. THIS WOULD BE THE PROCESS, OR IS THIS ONLY FOR THIS BOND? I'M GETTING FEEDBACK FROM YOU. IF YOU SAID THAT'S DIRECTION GOING, WE'RE GOING TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE DALLAS ONLY REFORM AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK FOR YOU TO VOTE ON. IF YOU SAY THIS IS NOT DIRECTION WE'RE GOING, WE'LL KEEP THE WAY IT IS. SO, WE'RE GETTING FEEDBACK FROM YOU WHICH DIRECTION WE SHOULD GO IN TERMS OF SCHOOL. THE ZONING RELATED SCHOOLS.

YES, I THINK I WOULD HAVE EVEN MORE CONCERN WITH THAT JUST BECAUSE I'M THINKING ABOUT ZONING CASES I'VE DEALT WITH IN THE PAST. ALSO, I WOULD MENTION, I THINK THE SCHOOLS IN MY DISTRICT AND WITH THAT IN MIND, THE SCHOOLS IN MY DISTRICT, I THINK ARE IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS, BOTH OF THE ONES THAT WE'RE SCHEDULED TO GET. BUT IN WEST DALLAS, THE ZONING IS VERY DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF WHEN IT WAS INCORPORATED.

SO, YOU HAVE INDUSTRIAL ZONING NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL ZONING NEXT TO SCHOOLS AND CITY. SO, AND SOME OF THAT INDUSTRIAL IS BEING CONVERTED INTO RESIDENTIAL. SO, I WOULD HAVE SOME, ALTHOUGH I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE FIND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ONE ZONING WHERE MAYBE WE COULD FIND SOME WIGGLE ROOM. I THINK IN MY DISTRICT THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT BECAUSE OF HOW THE ZONING HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN IN THAT AREA. AND THEN MY LAST COMMENT WOULD, WOULD BE DEFINITELY WE HAVE TO HAVE, I THINK COMMUNITY INPUT, BUT IT ALSO NEEDS TO BE FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE CHARTER SCHOOLS VERSUS AND DIC SCHOOLS, WHICH ARE BOTH PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS AND YOU HAVE PRIVATE.

BUT WE HAVE SEEN CASES, AT LEAST AS I'M THINKING OF PAST ZONING CASES WHERE MAYBE

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ACTUALLY, THEY WEREN'T THE CLOSEST NEIGHBORS TO THAT SCHOOL. SCHOOL. AND THERE WAS A RECENT ZONING CASE THAT WE HAD WHERE THEY BUILT WHERE ANOTHER DISD SCHOOL WAS.

AND THERE WAS SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS THAT WE HAD TO WORK THROUGH. BUT AGAIN, IT MADE IT A BETTER PROJECT BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS WERE ABLE TO HAVE SOME OF THAT INPUT.

SO, IF THERE IS A WAY FOR US TO SPEED UP THIS PROCESS, MAYBE ONCE WE GOT THROUGH THE ZONING, I WOULD LOVE THAT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT.

WHERE MAYBE WE COULD HELP. BUT IN TERMS OF LIMITING RESIDENT INPUT TO ACTUALLY MAKE CHANGES, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR RIDLEY.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. ACM BENTLEY'S MEMO SAYS THAT STAFF WILL CONTINUE REVIEWING BEST PRACTICES RELATED TO SCHOOLS AND EDUCATIONAL USES. DO YOU CONTEMPLATE COMING BACK AT A FUTURE HEARING BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE TO PRESENT SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THAT RESEARCH AND PERHAPS RECOMMENDATIONS? YES, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO.

ESPECIALLY WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL. MAYBE WE'RE DOING SOME TESTING RIGHT NOW, A FEW PILOT PROJECTS TO SEE WHAT KIND OF STANDARD CONDITIONS CAN BE ADDED, BUT WE ABSOLUTELY CAN COME BACK AND HAVE CONTINUED THIS DIRECTION DISCUSSION.

OKAY. WELL, MR. CHAIR, I SEE NO NEED TO TAKE ANY ACTION ON THIS ITEM TODAY. PENDING STAFF COMING BACK AT A FUTURE MEETING WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. BEFORE I FINISH THE SECOND ROUND, I'M GOING TO GO TO FIRST ROUND TO DEPUTY MAYOR PRO.

THANK YOU, CHAIR, CHIEF GOOD TO SEE YOU. WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR GOAL? WHAT ARE YOU.

YOU'RE TRYING TO DO? I KNOW THAT WHEN I WAS ON SCHOOL BOARD WAS PROBABLY A SNEEZE AGO. WE BUILT WHAT, $400 MILLION WORTH OF PLUS IN DISTRICT 5 WHERE I SERVED COMMUNITY THAT WAS NEEDING THIS, THE RESOURCES. SO, WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR, YOUR GOAL CONCERNING THE BUILDING NEW SCHOOLS AND, AND WHAT YOU WANT THE CITY TO DO CONCERNING THAT? YEAH. THANK YOU. TRUSTEE.

GOOD. I MEAN, NOT TRUSTEE.

COUNCILMAN, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. OF COURSE, I HAVE IT YOU, YOU KNOW, IN THE BOND IN MAY, WE PASSED $6.2 BILLION BOND. WITH THAT, WE'LL BE TOUCHING ALL 230 CAMPUSES AGAIN, AS WELL AS REPLACING 2426 NEW SCHOOLS WE'RE GOING TO BUILD FROM GROUND UP ON EXISTING SITES. AND I HAVE A FEW ADDITIONS AS WELL. SO, I'M LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY 58 DIFFERENT ZONING CASES.

IN THE LAST BOND TO GET THROUGH THAT PROCESS, IT WAS ABOUT 11 MONTHS. WE FACTORED, SO, WE SAW SOME PATTERNS ALONG THE WAY. WE THOUGHT WE COULD STANDARDIZE THOSE INTO AN AGREEMENT WORKING WITH THE CITY. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING THAT JUST COULD BE EXPEDITED BECAUSE ALSO DURING THE 2020 BOND PROGRAM WE EXPERIENCED A LOT OF INFLATION. 17% IN ONE YEAR, WHICH CAUSED US TO REDUCE OUR SCOPE. SO, WE LOST THAT TIME. SO, ANYTHING WE COULD DO TO BE MORE EFFICIENT AGAIN, YOU'VE WORKED WITH US. WE LOVE THE PUBLIC PROCESS. WE GET A LOT OF PUBLIC FEEDBACK. WE THINK IT'S ESSENTIAL TO THE PROCESS AND OUR SUCCESS IN PASSING THIS CURRENT BOND.

SO, I ASK FROM THE CITY IS TO PARTNER WITH US. LET'S PUT SOME STANDARDS TOGETHER SO, WE CAN JUST WORK A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENT. WE STUDIED OTHER CITIES AROUND TEXAS AND THE NATION THAT HAVE EXPERIENCED SIMILAR AND WE THOUGHT WE COULD MODEL BEHIND THOSE MODELS.

THANK YOU. WHAT DELAYS WHEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE BUILDING A NEW FACILITY? BECAUSE I THINK DALLAS ISD HAS ALSO BEEN TREATED, AND I'M GOING TO SAY IT LIKE IN THIS WAY, TREATED LIKE A DEVELOPER AND A LOT OF RED TAPE THAT PREVENTS THAT.

AND SO, NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE THE INFLATION, BUT I KNOW YOU'VE ALSO HAD DELAYS THAT. SO, HOW CAN THE CITY HELP WITH DELAYS WHEN IT COMES TO SOME OF THE PROCESSES THAT'S GOING ON TO KIND OF MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD TO GET SOME OF THESE SCHOOLS UP SO, OUR KIDS WON'T BE PRETTY MUCH NOT SO, MUCH OUT IN THE COLD, BUT NOT IN THE BUILDING THAT THEY DESERVE TO BE IN.

YEAH. THANK YOU. I'M WORKING WITH MS. LU AND HER STAFF AND SHE'S GOT A LOT OF IDEAS ABOUT ADDITIONAL STAFF FOR ONE TO BRING ON. WE CAN DO THAT THROUGH AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT AND DICD WOULD FUND THAT THROUGH AN ESCROW. ALSO, SINCE THEY'VE GONE WITH ME THROUGH THIS JOURNEY, THEY'RE SEEING SOME OF THE SAME STANDARDS AT EACH ONE. THE SIDEWALKS, THE FENCES THE LANDSCAPE.

GOING THROUGH A DISCRETIONARY PROCESS, I'M NOT ABLE TO GET PREDICTABILITY. AND SOMETIMES WE'RE ARRIVING AT THE SAME CONCLUSION THAT WE'VE SEEN AT OTHER SCHOOLS. SO, WE'RE COMFORTABLE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE STANDARDS, SOME OF THE PATTERNS, AND KIND OF

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SO, IF I'M CORRECT, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THE CITY IS WORKING WITH YOU TO MODERNIZE THE PROCESS.

CORRECT.

SO, YOU'RE NOT TREATED AS A DEVELOPER, BUT MORE OF A SCHOOL DISTRICT TO ELIMINATE SOME OF THE, I GUESS THE, THE DELAYS.

CORRECT.

OKAY, I GET TO YOU. AND MY LAST QUESTION IS, HOW LONG IS THAT PROCESS? HOW LONG IS THAT PROCESS? BECAUSE I KNOW IT CAN START OUT AT 20 MILLION, BUT THE DELAYS THAT HAPPEN CAUSED IT. NOW WHEN YOU HAVE TO GO BACK, YOU HAVE TO DO THE SCOPE OVER AGAIN.

AND THINGS THAT WAS PROMISED TO THE COMMUNITY AND PROMISED TO THE KIDS, IT'S NOT THERE. I KNOW WHAT COUNCILMEMBER LAURIE WAS TALKING WHEN WE BUILT PINKSTON, I WAS THE TRUSTEE THERE. AND SO, IT WAS A LOT OF DELAYS. SO, HOW ARE WE WORKING ON THAT TO MAKE IT EFFICIENT FOR THE CITY AS WELL AS DALLAS ISD? WE HAVE MADE TREMENDOUS IMPROVEMENTS THANKS TO OUR ZONING TEAM. SO, CURRENTLY THE QUICKEST WAY GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS ABOUT FOUR MONTHS AND SOMETIME BECAUSE COMPLEXITY OF THE PROJECT, IT COULD GO TO LIKE SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS. SO, IT WILL BE A FEW MONTHS ACTUAL.

BUT I THINK WHEN WE TALK TO DSD, THEIR MAIN CONCERN IS PREDICTABILITY BECAUSE EACH CASE, THE OUTCOME EVENTUALLY MAY GET APPROVED, BUT EACH CASE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENT. YOU KNOW, EITHER WAY, IT'S FINE FROM STAFF. IF YOU WANT TO KEEP WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, WE'RE FINE. THIS IS SOMETHING DSD HAS APPROACHED US AND HAVE THIS REQUEST. I WOULD LIKE TO JUST GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU. SO, MAYBE THERE'S A MIDDLE GROUND WITH THAT STANDARDS. I THINK MAYBE ALSO IN THERE SAYING THEY CANNOT MAKE IT WORSE, EITHER TRAFFIC OR SIDEWALK. IT HAS TO BE BETTER IMPROVEMENT.

WHAT THEY HAVE NOW SOME KIND OF THAT STANDARD CAN BE IN THERE. WE'RE WORKING WITH DSD TO EXPLORE WHAT KIND OF STANDARD CAN BE THERE THAT CAN BE INCLUDED IN HERE. SO, IT APPLIES TO. AND IN THE CASES THAT THEY CANNOT MEET THE STANDARDS AND THEN THEY HAVE TO COME THROUGH THE ZONING AND SUP A SEPARATE DISCRETIONARY PROCESS, BUT SOME SIMPLE PROJECT THAT CAN MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WILL MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

CHAIR GRACEY.

THANK YOU. I THINK I'M INTERESTED IN BRINGING THIS BACK WITH A LIST OF WHAT THOSE PERMITTED STANDARDS WOULD BE.

SO, WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING TO DISCUSS. I THINK I COULD BE OKAY WITH THAT. AND I DO APPRECIATE TRYING TO GET THESE PROJECTS DONE FOR THE SAKE OF EVEN THE NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE THE CONSTRUCTION IS AN INCONVENIENCE IN AND OF ITSELF. SO, I CAN APPRECIATE TRYING TO MOVE THIS FORWARD FROM THERE. BUT I THINK SEEING THOSE STANDARDS WOULD HELP ME MAKE A BETTER DECISION.

COUNCILMEMBER BLAIR I AGREE THAT I THINK IT NEEDS TO COME BACK AND I DO KNOW THAT, THAT MR. ALFORD KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT MY STANDARDS ARE SINCE WE'VE WE TALKED INTENSELY ABOUT THEM IN MY OTHER LIFE AND I AND HE, AND BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT BY NATURE OF THE FACT THAT DISD IS IN NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT THE CONCEPT AND THE IDEAL OF TREATING ALL OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SCHOOLS THE SAME MAY BE CHALLENGING BECAUSE I HAVE CHARTER SCHOOLS THAT ARE IN INDUSTRIAL AREAS AND ALL OF MY WELL, EXCEPT FOR ONE IS IN PUBLIC NEIGHBORHOODS IN NEIGHBORHOODS. SO, AND, AND I HAVE A LOT OF BOTH AND THE INTENSITY OF THE SAME SCHOOL THAT YOU HAVE AND YOU HAVE ARE THAT I ALSO HAVE. SO, I IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT STREAMLINING THIS, MS. LOU, THE DIRECTOR LU THEN WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS HOW TO STREAMLINE SCHOOLS. AND I GUESS THE EASIER WAY TO SAY IT, SCHOOLS THAT ARE IN AND AROUND COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOODS VERSUS THOSE THAT ARE NOT, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE THOSE THAT ARE IN A NEIGHBOR. A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD HAS DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS AND DIFFERENT NEEDS THAN THOSE THAT ARE NOT.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

CHAIR WEST CLOSES OUT.

AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID. THINK IT NEEDS

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THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, GUYS. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD. I DIDN'T THINK WE

[BRIEFING ITEMS]

ITEM BRIEFING. ITEM A, DATA CENTERS. SO, HOW DID WE GET HERE TODAY? THIS ITEM IS SEPARATE FROM THE FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO ON DATA CENTERS. THAT ITEM WILL BE FORTHCOMING. AS DATA CENTERS HAVE BECOME A HOT ISSUE, I THOUGHT IT WAS BEST TO BRING THIS ITEM FORWARD SO, THAT WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS, GET CLARITY. WE WILL HAVE STAFF AND DO HAVE STAFF FROM VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS.

WITH THAT, PLEASE PROCEED WITH THE PRESENTATION.

GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND CHAIR ROBIN BENTLEY WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

AND AS THE CHAIR MENTIONED, HE ASKED US BASICALLY TO GET OUR ARMS AROUND WHAT THE DATA CENTER SITUATION IS IN DALLAS. I THINK IT'S BEEN REALLY INTERESTING FOR ALL OF US TO BE OUT VISITING, TAKING PICTURES, LOOKING AT THESE SITES. AND WE'VE LEARNED SOME THINGS WE DIDN'T KNOW. AS YOU'LL HEAR, AS WE GET INTO THE BRIEFING.

WHEN PEOPLE PICTURE DATA CENTERS, I THINK THEY'RE PICTURING THESE MASSIVE HYPERSCALE, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF ACRES DATA CENTERS. WE SIMPLY DON'T HAVE LAND IN DALLAS TO SUPPORT THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT. OUR ECODEV TEAM PROBABLY GETS THOSE REQUESTS AT LEAST MONTHLY AND WE JUST SEND THEM RIGHT BACK AS WE JUST, JUST DON'T HAVE THE LAND TO SUPPORT IT. WHAT WE FOUND ARE THAT DEVELOPERS HAVE BEEN KIND OF CREATIVE IN USING SOME OF OUR OLDER AND VACANT COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES TO DO INFILL DATA CENTERS.

SO, THE TEAM WILL GET INTO SOME OF THAT. DALLAS, OR DFW IS THE WORLD'S LEADING DATA CENTER MARKET. I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE GIVEN THE GROWTH THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING AND THE TYPE OF GROWTH WE'RE EXPERIENCING IN OUR CORPORATE CULTURE.

BRITTLE EXPLAINED WHY IT'S BENEFICIAL TO COMPANIES TO BE CLOSE, CLOSE TO THESE DATA CENTER PROJECTS, HOW IT SPEEDS UP THEIR BUSINESS PROCESSES. AND WE EVEN HAVE A DATA CENTER ACROSS THE STREET.

I THINK THAT WAS SURPRISING TO ME, MAYBE NOT TO YOU ALL THAT THESE HAVE BEEN OUT THERE OPERATING AND FUNCTIONING IN DALLAS IN A WAY THAT IS PROBABLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE SEEING.

AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE TEAM TO WALK US THROUGH.

OKAY, LET ME JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF TODAY'S MEETING AND GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN, CHAIR MORENO AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.

SO, THE PURPOSE OF TODAY'S BRIEFING IS ACTUALLY TO SHARE THE FINDINGS FROM OUR PRELIMINARY SEARCH ON DATA CENTER IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, ALONG WITH SOME CONTEXT FROM THE DFW REGION, THIS REGION, THE STATE OF TEXAS AND NATIONAL TRENDS. I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS IS NOT A POLICY RECOMMENDATION. OUR GOAL IS SIMPLY TO SHARE WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED SO, FAR AND BEGIN DISCUSSING HOW THE CITY MAY APPROACH THIS TOPIC FROM A LAND USE AND ZONING PERSPECTIVE.

THAT IS A KIND OF FOCUS OF OUR DISCUSSION TODAY AND ALSO TODAY'S PRESENTATION. I ALSO WANT TO SAY IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US STAFF TO RECEIVE YOUR FEEDBACK. JUST LIKE THE PREVIOUS CASE, WE NEED YOUR FEEDBACK AND THEN GUIDANCE ABOUT NEXT STEP. WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN TO OUR DR.

BRITA ANDERS CHECK, CHIEF DATA OFFICER, SYNCING TO MED LEFT.

THANK YOU SO, MUCH. IF WE COULD GO TO SLIDE 3. THE WORD DATA CENTER IS BEING USED TO DESCRIBE MANY THINGS.

IN GENERAL, A DATA CENTER IS A SECURITY FACILITY THAT HOUSES IT INFRASTRUCTURE. IT HAS SERVERS, STORAGE DEVICES, NETWORKING EQUIPMENT TO PROCESS, MANAGE AND STORE DIGITAL DATA.

ONE WAY TO THINK OF IT AS THE PHYSICAL HOME FOR THE INTERNET. SO, ANYTIME THAT YOU SEARCH THE INTERNET, SEND AN EMAIL, USE AN APPLICATION ON YOUR PHONE, READ A BOOK ON A KINDLE, OR STREAM A TELEVISION SHOW, YOU'RE USING A DATA CENTER? WE, WE'RE USING A DATA CENTER RIGHT NOW TO STREAM THIS MEETING TO THE PUBLIC. THEY'RE UBIQUITOUS IN OUR LIVES AT THIS POINT. PART OF THE REASON THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION NOW IS THAT THE COMPUTING POWER REQUIRED TO SUPPORT AI HAS CHANGED THE DATA CENTER LANDSCAPE. SO, WE HAVE HAD DATA CENTERS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR DECADES AS ROBIN MENTIONED, BUT THE COMPUTE POWER AND THE SCALE AT WHICH THE BEING BUILT AND THE NUMBERS AT WHICH THEY'RE BEING BUILT HAS RADICALLY CHANGED. AND I'M GOING TO HAND THINGS BACK TO EMILY.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

YES.

SO, AS BOTH ROBIN AND BRITT HAVE MENTIONED, DATA CENTER HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR DECADES. BUT THEY COME IN ALL SHAPES, SIZES AND DESIGN. THEY'RE DIFFERENT. THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT CATEGORY OF DATA CENTERS FROM THE LAND USE AND ZONING PERSPECTIVE. WE CLASSIFY THEM TO THREE CATEGORIES. THE FIRST

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THESE ARE BUILT AND USED BY A SINGLE COMPANY FOR ITS OWN PRIVATE OPERATION, USUALLY AS ACCESSORY USE AND ATTACHED TO THE PRIMARY USE. A GOOD EXAMPLE ACTUALLY IS THE DATA CENTER. IN THIS BUILDING IN THE BASEMENT, WE HAVE A DATA CENTER THAT SERVES THE CITY OF DALLAS. ANOTHER ONE, WE HAVE EXAMPLES SMU. I LOOK AT OUR PERMITTING IF YOU INFORMATION SMU HAS A CEO REQUEST BACK IN 2012 AND THEY HAVE A DATA CENTER BUT THAT DATA CENTER ONLY SERVE THEIR FUNCTION. THEIR UNIVERSITY IS A SEPARATE BUILDING, BUT THAT IS CALLED ENTERPRISE DATA CENTER.

AND THE SIZE IS DIFFERENT. I THINK OUR DATA CENTER DOWNSTAIRS PROBABLY VERY SMALL SMU AS MENTIONED, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN BUILDING A LITTLE BIT BIGGER, BUT THEY ARE BIGGER ORGANIZATION HAVE A OF LOT NEED AS WELL AND ALSO THE POWER CONSUMPTION, WORK USE, THEY'RE ALL A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

THE SECOND CATEGORY IS CALLED COLOCATION. THESE ARE SHARED SPACE WHERE MULTIPLE COMPANIES RENT ROOM OR SPACE. SOMETIMES YOU RENT A CABIN OR A FEW SHELVES FOR THEIR OWN SERVERS. AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, MOST OF DATA CENTER WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TODAY ACTUALLY FOR FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY THERE ARE VARIOUS SIZES, DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND DIFFERENT DESIGN. IT'S VERY INTERESTING. AND THE THIRD CATEGORY WHICH WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE IN THE STATE OF DALLAS, CALLED HYPERSCALE.

THESE ARE THE MASSIVE FACILITY RUN PROVIDER LIKE AMAZON, GOOGLE, META AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY HERE BUT A LOT OF OUR SUBURBAN NEIGHBORS DO HAVE A LOT OF THIS. THAT'S WHY DFW BECOME THE NUMBER ONE DATA CENTER MARKET IN THE WORLD BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME BUT NOT THAT MANY. IF YOU RECALL JUST LAST WEEK FORWARDS APPROVED A DATA CENTER OF $10 BILLION IN THE SOUTHERN SECTION. THEY STILL HAVE A LOT OF GREENLAND AND MATTER PURCHASED SOME LAND IN THE NORTH IN THE HUNDREDS OF ACRES AND DEVELOP THEIR CENTER.

SO, THOSE ARE THE HYPERSCALE DATA CENTER. THEY USUALLY OCCUPY HUNDREDS OF ACRES AND MOSTLY ON GREENLAND. YOU SEE A LOT OF THESE ACTUALLY ARE BUILT IN THE RURAL COMMUNITY ACROSS TEXAS, ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND THESE ARE THE ONE THAT DRAW A LOT OF ATTENTION AND A LOT OF OPERATION AS WELL. THEY USUALLY CONSUME HUNDREDS OF MICROWATTS AND USE A LOT OF WATER AS WELL. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO, WHY DATA CENTER INTEREST IN DALLAS OR IN THE GENERAL AREA AS A WHOLE? BECAUSE THE LOCATION WE HAVE DFW AND DALLAS IN THE UNITED STATES MORE LIKE CENTRAL LOCATION. THE EAST COAST AND WEST COAST, YOU KNOW, IS EASIER, EASY TO REACH AND ALSO OUR BUSINESS FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, TRYING TO BUILD ENVIRONMENT THAT EASIER TO ATTRACT BUSINESS.

THOSE BANKS, FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS, THOSE UO STREET, THEY ALL WANT TO MOVE HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE A BUSINESS FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT AND DATA CENTER DEFINITELY HELP THAT.

AND ALSO, THE REGION HAS A GROWING POPULATION, DEFINITELY A GROWING ECONOMY IS VERY ATTRACTIVE BECAUSE THAT MAKES THEM WANT TO BE CLOSER TO THE DATA CENTER. IT'S MORE LIKE A DIGITAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN IT'S LOWER COST IN TERMS OF ENERGY AND TEXAS AS A WHOLE. THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH DALLAS. THIS IS THE ENERGY IS ACROSS REGION, ACROSS THE STATE. IT'S A REGIONAL ISSUE, A STATEWIDE ISSUE. AND ALSO IT'S CLOSE TO END USER. WE HAVE A LOT OF COMPANY LOCATED HERE CURRENTLY A LOT OF COMPANY WANT TO MOVE HERE AND THAT BEING CLOSE TO THE USER IS VERY IMPORTANT.

AND ALSO, WE HAVE A ROBUST FIBER AND INTERNET CONNECTIVITY INFRASTRUCTURE AND THAT'S ALSO IMPORTANT FOR THESE BUSINESSES AND DATA CENTER WANT TO BE HERE. WE HAVE SOME BUT NOT A LOT BUT VACANT BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, SOME. SOME OF THOSE LOCATED DOWNTOWN, SOME OF THOSE LOCATED IN. IN THE OTHER AREA WE CAN SHOPPING CENTERS. ALL OF THAT PROVIDE SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR ADAPTIVE REUSE. WE JUST ALREADY MENTIONED THAT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF GREENLAND REQUIRED FOR THAT HYPERSCALE, BUT WE DO HAVE DIFFERENT DATA CENTER HAVE BEEN EVOLVED OVER THE YEARS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. I'M GOING TO TURN OVER TO BRITTA.

SO, ON SLIDE 6 YOU CAN SEE A MAP OF THE KNOWN DATA FACILITY FACILITIES IN DALLAS. SO, WE HAVE 23 KNOWN DATA CENTER FACILITIES WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS AND WE'RE USING THIS TERM KNOWN INTENTIONALLY. THIS IS A BASELINE. IT WAS BUILT FROM CITY AND INDUSTRY SOURCES.

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ON SLIDE 7 WE WERE ASKED TO PROVIDE THE DCAD TAX VALUATION FOR THIS LIST OF 23 KNOWN DATA CENTERS. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE 23 KNOWN DATA CENTER FACILITIES HAVE A COMBINED VALUATION OF ABOUT 1.47 BILLION AND GENERATED ROUGHLY 10.3 MILLION IN CITY PROPERTY TAX REVENUE LAST YEAR. AND THE RESIDENTIAL EQUIVALENCY IS PROVIDED AS A REFERENCE POINT.

SO, SINCE WE TYPICALLY TALK ABOUT TAX VALUATION IN TERMS OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THE HORSESHOE, I'LL HAND THINGS BACK TO EMILY.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND NEXT SLIDE. NOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING FUN. SO, THE PICTURE HERE ON THE UPPER LEVEL IS ACTUALLY TAKEN FROM MY OFFICE WINDOW. AND ACROSS FROM YONGE STREET, WE ALL RECOGNIZE ONE BUILDING AND THAT'S A LIBRARY. ACTUALLY, EVERYTHING ELSE ON THAT BLOCK IS A DATA CENTER. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS.

WALKED TO THE AT&T EXCHANGE FOR LUNCH. AND FOR THE FIRST TWO YEARS, NO IDEA WHAT THIS WAS. I PASSED BY THAT ALL THE TIME.

BUT JUST RECENTLY, BECAUSE YOU ASKED ME TO DO SOME RESEARCH, I STARTED PAYING ATTENTION.

THAT IS ACTUALLY A DATA CENTER.

IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT IN 1921 AS A FEDERAL RESIDENT RESERVE BUILDING. AND THEN IN 1950 THEY DID SOME ADDITION.

IN 1970S THAT BUILDING, THE ORIGINAL BUILDING WAS LANDMARK AS A LOCAL HISTORIC BUILDING.

AND THEN IN THE 1990S, THE FEDERAL RESERVE DECIDED TO MOVE OUT OF THIS BUILDING AND MOVE TO THE CURRENT LOCATION. IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS VACANT FOR A LITTLE BIT IN THE 1920, 12, AND ANOTHER COMPANY BOUGHT THIS AND TURNED IT INTO A DATA CENTER. I TELL YOU, THIS IS PROBABLY THE SAFEST DATA CENTER IN DALLAS BECAUSE IT WAS BUILT FOR A BANK RESERVE. SO, IT WAS A LIMESTONE BUILDING AND ALSO ALL THE EQUIPMENT INSIDE.

INTERESTING. NEXT TIME YOU PASS THIS. IT'S A DATA CENTER. AND WITH THAT I'M GOING TO TURN TO MY COLLEAGUE, WAYNE POWER. I WANT TO RECOGNIZE HIM. HE DID A LOT OF RESEARCH. THE REASON WE CAN BE HERE WAS ALL THIS GRAPHIC, ALL THIS RESEARCH BECAUSE HE DID ALL THE RESEARCH.

I WANT TO RECOGNIZE HIM. AND HE AND I ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THESE EXAMPLES TOGETHER.

WE VISITED ALL THESE SITES.

THE TWO OF US TAKE PICTURES AND MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO, WAYNE, TAKE OVER.

THANK YOU, DIRECTOR LIU. BEEN REALLY INTERESTING GETTING TO LOOK INTO THE DATA CENTER ISSUE AND, YOU KNOW, I GET TO WAKE UP AND COME TO WORK IN THE CITY. I LOVE AND DO THINGS THAT I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT AND I'M CERTAINLY GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND REALLY GRATEFUL TO GET TO TALK ABOUT DATA CENTERS WITH YOU ALL TODAY AS WELL.

CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR TITLE AND WHAT YOUR POSITION HERE IS AT THE CITY? YES, SIR. I'M A CITY PLANNER.

I'M A SENIOR PLANNER ON THE COMMUNITY PLANNING TEAM AND I AM A MEMBER OF THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF CERTIFIED PLANNERS AS WELL.

CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? SO, JUST A FEW EXAMPLES OF DATA CENTERS TO RUN BY Y'ALL. THIS IS ON BRYANT STREET RIGHT NEXT TO PLAZA OF THE AMERICAS. IF Y' ALL HAVE EVER BEEN OUT THERE. OPENED AS OR BEGAN DATA CENTER OPERATIONS BACK IN 2004. IT IS ONE OF THOSE CO LOCATION FACILITIES THAT DIRECTOR LIU MENTIONED A LITTLE EARLIER. IT'S CONSIDERED A MAJOR POINT OF CONVERGENCE FOR FIBER INFRASTRUCTURE THE SOUTHWEST. AND YOU KNOW, AS WE MENTIONED THAT CENTRAL LOCATION IN THE U.S. THIS IS, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THOSE FACILITIES AND IS CURRENTLY IN THAT DOWNTOWN CA1A ZONING DISTRICT. CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE AS WELL? SO, THIS IS ONE OF THE ONES THAT I FELT WAS THE MOST INTERESTING.

JUST ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 635.

THIS IS ANOTHER COLOCATION DATA CENTER AND A REALLY INTERESTING EXAMPLE OF ADAPTIVE REUSE.

SO, YOU COULD DRIVE BY, YOU WOULD THINK THAT MAYBE THAT'S A SHOPPING CENTER THAT HAD LOST SOME TENANTS, BUT IT ACTUALLY HAS BEEN CONVERTED INTO A DATA CENTER ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO. AND IF YOU DRIVE AROUND, YOU'LL SEE THE BURLINGTON COAT FACTORY IS STILL OPEN AND IT IS ATTACHED TO A DATA CENTER. SO, YOU CAN GO FIND SOMEWHERE TO HAVE YOUR DATA PROCESSED AND THEN GO BUY SOME CLOTHES RIGHT AT THE SAME FACILITY.

BUT THIS IS IN A PD AND IF I RECALL CORRECTLY IT IS BASED ON MU3 ZONING AND IT'S A SINGLE STORY FACILITY. AND YEAH, UP TO THE NEXT SLIDE IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

YOU THINK DATA CENTER IS VERY BORING SUBJECT. WAYNE AND I FIND A LOT OF FUN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT. AND ONE OF THEM IS DRIVE AROUND, TAKE PICTURES. IF YOU HAVE EVER

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EVERYTHING ELSE IT'S JUST LIKE NO WINDOWS.

BUT THIS IS BEAUTIFUL. SO, NEXT TIME YOU PASS, YOU KNOW, STEMMONS FREEWAY, YOU NOTICE THIS ONE IS A DATA CENTER AND IT'S ACTUALLY ZONED MU3 AND I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. WE DO A LOT OF DATA CENTER IN DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICT AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS BEING AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.

INFOMART IS KIND OF THE SYMBOL OF THIS AND IT'S BEING KIND OF A LANDMARK FOR THIS AREA.

WITH THAT WE'RE GOING TO TURN BACK TO WAYNE.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO, THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A RECENTLY DEVELOPED, I BELIEVE THE SECOND PHASE IS JUST ABOUT FINISHED OR GETTING VERY CLOSE TO IT. SO, THIS IS ON ROUNDTABLE DRIVE JUST OFF OF I35. SO, IT'S TWO FACILITIES. PHASE ONE HAS BEEN COMPLETED. THE SECOND PHASE IS JUST ABOUT FINISHED AND THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE THAT WE LOOKED AT BECAUSE IT'S IN AN IR ZONED AREA. SO, INDUSTRIAL ZONING VERSUS SEVERAL OF THE OTHERS THAT WE'LL SEE THAT ARE IN MU3 AND DOWNTOWN AS WELL.

ON TO THE NEXT.

THE NEXT ONE IS ACTUALLY BEING CONSTRUCTED AS WE SPEAK AND WE DO GOT A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION ABOUT THIS ONE. SO, IT'S LOCATED ON MOCKINGBIRD, 1550 WEST MOCKINGBIRD. THIS APPLICATION WAS IN PERMITTING APPLICATION WAS IN, IN NOVEMBER LAST YEAR AND THE PERMIT WAS ISSUED ABOUT A FEW MONTHS LATER IN MARCH. THIS IS PHASE ONE OF A THREE PHASE PROJECT. THE FIRST PHASE, ABOUT 372,000 SQUARE FEET AND ARE LOOKING AT THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE WE, WE CHARGE THE PERMITTING FEE BY THE COST OF THE CONSTRUCTION. THE FIRST PHASE IS $900 MILLION FOR THIS PROJECT. IT'S STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION. IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE ANOTHER YEAR FOR IT TO COMPLETE AND OPERATIONAL.

SO, WHATEVER.

THE $900 MILLION HAS NOT BEEN TRANSLATED INTO THE TEXT ROLL YET LIKE BRITA TALKED ABOUT EARLY BECAUSE IT STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

ONE MORE.

SO, FEW EXAMPLES OF HYPERSCALE DATA CENTERS.

THAT THIRD CATEGORY THAT DIRECTOR LU MENTIONED THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF CURRENTLY IN DALLAS. SO, THE FIRST IS THE METADATA CENTER THAT FORT WORTH HAS APPROVED. IT'S TOTALING 170 ACRES. YOU CAN SEE RENDERING OF IT THERE ON THE SCREEN. ANOTHER ONE, AND THIS IS ALSO IN THE DFW AREA. IT'S GOING TO BE DOWN IN RED OAK AND THAT'S AT 300 TOTAL ACRES OF DEVELOPMENT. VERY LARGE CAMPUS FACILITY. SO, NOT JUST ONE BUILDING, BUT LOTS OF LARGE BUILDINGS THAT YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE AIR LOOKS LIKE A HUGE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT. IT'S ONE DATA CENTER CAMPUS ON TO THE NEXT. SO, A COUPLE MORE ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND JUST PAY ATTENTION TO THE AMOUNT OF ACREAGE THAT'S BEING ALLOCATED FOR THESE HUGE, HUGE DEVELOPMENTS. SO, THAT ONE IN FORT WORTH WAS AT 170. THIS ONE IS GOT A LITTLE BIT OF NATIONAL NOTORIETY OUT IN ABILENE. IT'S THE STARGATE FACILITY. IT'S AT 1100 TOTAL ACRES FOR THE ENTIRE CAMPUS.

AND I BELIEVE IT IS OPENAI PARTNERING WITH ORACLE ON THAT. ALTHOUGH DOUBLE CHECK THAT. I DO BELIEVE THOSE ARE THE BUILDERS. THE NEXT IS THE METADATA CENTER OUT IN KANSAS CITY. AGAIN, THIS IS 900 ACRES, SO, SEVERAL TIMES LARGER THAN THAT BIG FACILITY DOWN IN FORT WORTH. AND THIS IS JUST ONE BUILDING FROM THAT CAMPUS. THERE ARE SEVERAL MORE FOR THAT ONE AS WELL. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

I WILL TALK ACTUALLY GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT THIS ONE. WOULD LIKE SWITCH NEXT ONE. GO AHEAD.

SURE THING. SO, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW

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AND THEN JUST RECENTLY LAST MONTH THE GOVERNOR FOLLOWED UP ON THAT AND DIRECTED THE PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSION AND ERCOT AS WELL TO AUDIT DATA CENTER PROJECTS BEFORE ALLOWING ANY ADDITIONAL INTERCONNECTIONS TO THE GRID.

WE'RE EXPECTING DURING THE UPCOMING LEGISLATIVE SESSION SEVERAL COMMITTEES ARE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING DATA CENTERS.

SO, IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE REALLY KEEPING OUR EYES GLUED TO TO SEE WHERE WHAT KIND OF ACTION THE STATE IS POTENTIALLY GOING TO BE TAKING IN THE FUTURE.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO, WE'VE BEEN NOT ONLY LOOKING AT OURSELVES OR LOOKING AT SOME CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ALL THE PLANNING DIRECTORS, ALL THE BIG CITY PLANNING DIRECTLY FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE IT'S AN INTEREST HERE. EVERYBODY WANT TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE.

SO, WE'RE LEARNING FROM EACH OTHER. SO, YOU PROBABLY ALREADY AWARE SOMETHING HAPPENING IN FORT WORTH. THEY RIGHT NOW IS IN THE INITIAL STAGES OF STARTING A 90 DAY MORATORIUM PROCESS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. YOU CANNOT JUST HAVE A MORATORIUM RIGHT AWAY. YOU HAVE TO INITIATE THAT PROCESS TAKES TIME. WE HAVE OUR ATTORNEY HERE TO STAND BY IN CASE YOU HAVE MORE QUESTION ABOUT THAT. AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO IN THE PROCESS EVALUATING THEIR REGULATION. THEY HAVE NOT PASSED YET BECAUSE NOW THEY HAVE MORATORIUM. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT. ONE OF THEM THEY REQUIRE THE PUBLIC TD COMMISSION TO PROVIDE APPROVAL LETTER IF THEY MOVE FORWARD.

AND THEN THEY ALSO CREATE 11 MEMBER ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

THIS ONLY HAPPENS LAST FEW WEEKS ABOUT A MONTH AGO. AND THEN LAST WEEK AFTER ALL OF THAT, THEY APPROVED THE $10 BILLION DATA CENTER IN THE CITY OF FORT WORTH. SO, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CHANGES VERY QUICKLY. STATE OF ATLANTA USED TO BE THE ABSOLUTE DATA CENTER MARKET, THE TOP THREE.

AND THEY DO NOT GO TO THE MORE TORMENT ROUTE. AND THEY DO HAVE SOME STANDARDS IN PLAY THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW.

BUT THEY'RE ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF INTRODUCING A DATA CENTER TASK FORCE AS WE SPEAK SO, THEY CAN DEVELOP A BIT MORE DATA CENTER RELATED REGULATION OR STANDARDS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO, NEXT SLIDE.

SO, WHAT IS THE CURRENT DALLAS ONLY REGULATION ON DATA CENTER? I CAN TELL YOU WE DO NOT HAVE A, YOU KNOW, DATA CENTER AS A SEPARATE LAND USE. I THOUGHT THEY JUST US AS WE'RE TALKING TO ALL THESE CITIES ACROSS COUNTRY. IT'S ACTUALLY VERY TYPICAL. MY FORMER CITY CALLED IT TELECOMMUNICATION HOTEL. SOME OTHER CITY HAS TO DO WITH SOMETHING COMMUNICATION.

SO, IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, DATA CENTER IS ACTUALLY CURRENTLY CLASSIFIED UNDER COMMUNICATION EXCHANGE FACILITY WHICH IS A SUBCATEGORY OF LOCAL UTILITIES. AS I YOU REMEMBER I TALKED ABOUT THAT PROJECT ON MOCKINGBIRD. THEY CAME IN NOT AS DATA CENTER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A CATEGORY. THEY CAME IN AS A LOCAL UTILITY, AS A LAND USE CATEGORY. SO, SOMETIMES PEOPLE ASK ME HOW MANY DATA CENTER YOU HAVE? I HAVE TO GO AND LOOK FOR THEM RIGHT NOW. THAT'S JUST HOW IT WORKS. AND ACTUALLY IT'S PRETTY TYPICAL ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. THE ONE THAT I MENTIONED, THE MOCKINGBIRD, THAT WAS THE LATEST PERMIT WE GAVE OUT FOR DATA CENTER. AND ALSO, I JUST CHECKED YESTERDAY, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY THE LATEST ONE.

NEXT ONE PLEASE. AND I'M NOT GOING TO GET ALL THE DETAILS.

SO, DATA CENTER ARE ALLOWED IN MOST OF THE NON RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. THEY ARE ALLOWED IN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT. WE HAVE QUITE A FEW IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, WHICH IS CENTRAL AIR DISTRICT.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE A CLUSTER OF SIX DATA CENTER IN DOWNTOWN. SO, THAT IS ALLOWED BY. RIGHT. AND THEN SOME OF THE MIXED USE DISTRICT AND ALSO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, OFFICE AND RETAIL. THERE ARE SOME RESTRICTIONS IN TERMS OF SIZE FOR RETAIL.

IN COMMUNITY RETAIL, WHICH IS THE LOWEST INTENSITY RETAIL USE

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SO, THERE ARE SOMETHING RELATED TO THAT AS PART OF THE ACCESSORY EQUIPMENT THAT ARE REGULATED SEPARATELY. NEXT ONE PLEASE. THERE'S ALSO CURRENTLY THERE'S NOISE REGULATION THAT GOVERN THIS. SO, IT'S VERY GENERIC. ALL OF THESE ACTUALLY ARE STANDARDS NOISE REGULATION.

SO, WE DID CHECK WITH OUR CODE COMPLIANCE DEPARTMENT. WE GAVE THEM A LIST OF 23 DATA CENTER WE IDENTIFIED. WE. WE ASKED THEM IF THEY HAVE SEEN ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THIS, ESPECIALLY NOISE. WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT PEOPLE SAYING ONE OF THE IMPACT IS NOISE. AND THEY DID IDENTIFY ONE COMPLAINT.

BUT THEN THEY INVESTIGATE BUT DID NOT FIND ANY VIOLATIONS.

SO, WE DID CHECK ABOUT THAT.

NEXT ONE PLEASE. AND THIS IS SOMETHING I NEED YOUR FEEDBACK AGAIN. AS I MENTIONED EARLY, ONE OF THE PURPOSE OF MEETING IS TO SEEK INPUT FROM YOU AND THEN SOME DIRECT NEXT STEP. AS PART OF DALLAS ZONING REFORM, WE INCLUDE A LOT OF THINGS.

THE SCHOOL IS GOING TO BE PART OF THAT AND THEN A LOT OF OTHER THINGS WILL BE PART OF THAT. SO, AS PART OF ZONING REFORM WE ARE CURRENTLY REVIEWING THE DEFINITION OF COMMUNITY EXCHANGE FACILITY TO DETERMINE IF ANY AMENDMENTS NEEDED IS MORE LIKELY IT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED. WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT.

SO, SOME OTHER CITIES, SOME OF THOSE STARTED AMENDING THEIR CODE TO INCLUDE SOME STANDARDS IN THERE. ONE OF THEM IS VERY IMPORTANT HOW FAR IT IS FROM RESIDENTIAL USE OR RESIDENTIAL ZONING AND LANDSCAPING BUFFERS, NOISE AND LIGHTING RESTRICTED AND SO, FORTH. SO, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN WORK ON AS PART OF DALLAS ZONING REFORM. OF COURSE, THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME DIRECTION FROM YOU AND SOME GUIDANCE IF YOU DESIRE. THIS CODE AMENDMENT CAN BE EXPEDITED AHEAD OF THE LARGEST ZONING REFORM TIMELINE.

SO, WITH THAT I WANT YOU TO KNOW WE DO HAVE AN APPENDIX AT THE VERY END LISTED ALL THE 23 DATA CENTERS THAT WE COMPILED FROM DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WAYNE AND I PERSONALLY VISITED EIGHT OF THEM, TOOK THE PICTURES. WE PRESENT IT TO YOU AND ALSO OTHER STAFF HAVE VISITED ALL THESE OTHER 15 ONES. WE HAVE ALL 23 OF THESE DATA CENTER.

WE HAVE SOMEBODY GO THERE AND TAKE PICTURE AND VERIFY. SO, THIS IS THE LIST. AND BY NO MEANS THIS IS A COMPLETE LIST BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO USE SOME CRITERIA. THESE ARE RELATIVELY LARGE. ONE EXAMPLE IS THERE'S ONE SMALLER DATA CENTER IN THE ONE CALLED ONE MAIN PLACE. THE 1201 MAIN STREET IS A HISTORIC BUILDING.

IT'S A HOTEL, IT'S A RESTAURANT.

BUT THEY ALSO HAVE A DATA CENTER IN THERE.

BUT IT'S VERY SMALL. IT'S LESS THAN 10,000 SQUARE FEET. WE DID NOT INCLUDE THAT ON THIS LIST. SO, WITH THAT WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN SOME QUESTIONS AND GET SOME DIRECTIONS AND HEAR YOUR PERSPECTIVE.

THANK YOU. SEEING NO QUESTIONS AND NO.

JUST KIDDING.

I KNOW YOU GUYS PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THIS, SO, THANK YOU. IN MY OPINION, THIS CONVERSATION SHOULD NOT BE ABOUT BEING AGAINST, FOR OR AGAINST DATA CENTERS. IT SHOULD BE ABOUT BEING INFORMED, THOUGHTFUL AND RESPONSIBLE.

DATA CENTERS ARE A CRITICAL PART OF OUR ECONOMY AND OUR DAILY LIVES. OUR HOSPITALS, BANKS, BUSINESSES, EMERGENCY SERVICES AND SMART TRAFFIC SIGNALS ALL DEPEND ON DATA AND AI. THEY CAN ALSO BRING JOBS, INVESTMENT, ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES TO DALLAS. BUT WE DO NEED TO AND HAVE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS. HOW MUCH WATER WILL THEY USE? HOW MUCH ELECTRICITY WILL THEY REQUIRE? WHO PAYS FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE? AND WHAT DOES THAT DEMAND MEAN FOR RELIABILITY AND AFFORDABILITY FOR THESE RESOURCES FOR OUR DALLAS RESIDENTS? DALLAS ALSO PROVIDES WATER TO MORE THAN 20 CITIES, CITIES ACROSS THE REGION. WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT OUR LONG TERM WATER.

THE STATE OF TEXAS IS NOW LOOKING AT ESTABLISHING NEW PARAMETERS FOR DATA CENTERS DEVELOPMENT.

WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE STANDARDS MEAN FOR DALLAS. I'M NOT HERE TO SAY YES OR NO TODAY.

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WITH THAT, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS FOR OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS FIRST AND SECOND. THEN WE'LL GO TO NON COMMITTEE MEMBERS WITH THAT. CHAIR GRACEY.

THANK YOU, CHAIR, AND THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION. THIS IS, IT'S ALL INTERESTING TO ME, BOTH THE CONTROVERSY SURROUNDING THEM, WHAT THEY DO AND HOW THEY BENEFIT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US AND OUR PHONES AND ALL OF THAT STUFF. THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION. I WAS GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT THE LIST OF THEM, BUT THEY HAVE THEM. WHAT I DO WANT TO TRY TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF IS I THINK YOU SAID THERE WERE 23 OF THOSE, 23 FACILITIES IDENTIFIED IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. IT REPRESENTED ABOUT $10.3 MILLION IN REVENUE FROM THERE. THE ONLY OTHER PIECE I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE IS KIND OF IF IT'S POSSIBLE BASED ON THE SIZE. YOU KNOW, I'M SURE IT VARIES IN THE TAX RATE, BUT JUST KIND OF WHAT THE SCALE IS IN TERMS OF THE SIZE OF THE CONTRIBUTION, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. NO QUESTION. JUST A ADDITIONAL REQUEST IF IT'S POSSIBLE. IF YOU HAVE THAT BROKEN DOWN BY, BY THE, THE LOCATIONS.

JUST TO CLARIFY, CHAIR GRACEY, YOU'RE ASKING FOR LIKE THE INDIVIDUAL TAX LINE FOR EACH.

YEAH, IF, IF YOU HAVE IT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN GET YOU. I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME, BUT WE CAN GET THAT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

COUNCILMEMBER BLAIR.

ROBIN. MS. BENTLEY, SHE ACTUALLY REMINDED ME THAT I ACTUALLY WORKED IN A DATA CENTER AND I DIDN'T EVEN. I FORGOT ALL ABOUT IT AND I ACTUALLY WAS ON THE FLOOR OF OUR MAINFRAME VERY COLD, EXTREMELY COLD. YOU MAY NOT HEAR THE HUM ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT YOU SURE HEAR THE HUM ON THE INSIDE.

SO, A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT I FORGOT BECAUSE IT WAS JUST THIS IS THE WAY WE DO THINGS WHEN I, YOU KNOW, WORKED AT AT&T AND I WAS IN IT AND I WAS ON THE FLOOR THAT OUR MAINFRAMES WERE IN.

SO, I THINK WE WERE IN. IF YOU GO BACK TO PAGE 4 THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE CO LOCATE. WELL THE ONE WHERE, WHERE WE WERE, THEY WERE ALL IN THE SAME BUILDING. WE WERE SUPPLIED BUT IT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE WE SUPPLIED, WE, WE SUPPLIED EVERYONE'S IT FUNCTIONS, YOUR CELL PHONE FUNCTIONS, SO, WE SUPPLIED ALL OF YOUR EMAIL. SO, I GUESS I DID WORK IN A DATA CENTER AND I JUST FORGOT BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW TODAY IS VASTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE WERE DOING BACK THEN. I DO.

AND WHAT WE ARE DOING, WHAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY. I, I'M REALLY INQUISITIVE HOW OUR LEGISLATIVE BODIES ARE FEELING ABOUT THE NEW FOUND ESPECIALLY THE HYPER, WHAT WERE THE HYPER SCALE DATA CENTERS? AND I DO NOTICE THAT THEY ARE MOSTLY SEEN IN THE, IN THE IR, IM OR ZONING CLASSIFICATION, ALTHOUGH YOU CAN SEE OF SMALLER ONES IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. SO, I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING HOW WE. I DON'T HAVE ANY, BUT I CAN SEE WHERE BECAUSE I HAVE THE INLAND PORT IN A LOT OF THE WAREHOUSES WHAT IT MAY LOOK LIKE ON A LARGER SCALE BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT THE PARAMETERS WOULD BE SCALABILITY. CHALLENGES AND IT WOULD BE A WAY TO REPURPOSE SOME OF THE WAREHOUSING WAREHOUSES THAT HAVE NO THAT NO LONGER ARE BEING UTILIZED AS A WAREHOUSE INTO A NEW OPPORTUNITY AND ESPECIALLY TO CHANGE FROM TRUCK TRAFFIC TO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

BUT I WOULD ALSO LOVE TO SEE JOB OPPORTUNITIES, NOT JUST JOB, BUT CAREER OPPORTUNITIES. AND WHAT ARE THE RATE OF THE RATE OF PER HOUR FOR ALL TYPES OF TIERS OF EMPLOYMENT AND IF THEY'RE CAREER TYPE OF JOBS, WHAT'S THE LONGEVITY? ARE THEY CAREERS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET AND RETIRE FROM OR ARE THERE JOBS THAT YOU'RE JUST

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THANK YOU, CHAIR. OKAY, SO, IN FIRST OF ALL, THANKS TO CHAIR MORENO FOR BRINGING THIS TO COMMITTEE AND THANK YOU FOR STAFF FOR THE PRESENTATION.

IN GENERAL, I BELIEVE DALLAS NEEDS TO EMBRACE TECHNOLOGY AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE BEING THE MOST WELCOMING CITY IN THE US FOR NEW BUSINESSES. I APPRECIATE DR. ANDRECHEK POINTING OUT THAT 23 OF THESE DATA CENTERS ARE ALREADY EXISTING IN THE CITY PROVIDING DATA FOR DATA SERVICES. I GUESS FOR OTHER SMALL BUSINESSES, JOBS AND VERY MUCH NEEDED $10 MILLION IN TAX REVENUE PER YEAR, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY FIND OUT TOMORROW. WE COULD USE ABOUT 10 TIMES THAT OR MORE.

SO, MY CONCERNS HERE CENTER ON THE EXPLOSIVE GROWTH WITHOUT ANY REALLY THOUGHT FOR PLANNING. WHICH IS WHY I'M GLAD WE HAVE OUR PLANNERS AT THE TABLE NOW. THAT'S WHY I JOINED FOUR OF MY COLLEAGUES IN REQUESTING THE ZONING REVIEW OF THE APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR NEW DATA CENTERS TO GO AS THIS INDUSTRY CONTINUES TO EXPLODE LIKE IT'S DOING RIGHT NOW. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SOMEWHERE IN THIS PRESENTATION, DIRECTOR, I DO SUPPORT EXPEDITING THE ZONING REVIEW THROUGH ZOAC AND CPC OF THIS PARTICULAR CATEGORY OF USE. OKAY, WHAT ELSE? SO, AS MY COLLEAGUES HAVE BROUGHT UP, I THINK QUITE A QUITE WELL SO, FAR THIS TOPIC CENTERS ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, TAX REVENUE, ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS, DEVELOPMENT AND PERMITTING.

YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT FORT WORTH ON SLIDE 20 HAS STARTED THIS 11 MEMBER ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND I THINK CHAIR MORENO MENTIONED EARLIER THAT HE WOULD SUPPORT A TASK FORCE.

I'D WANT TO JOIN HIM IN SAYING I WOULD SUPPORT A TASK FORCE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND I WOULD JUST ASK THAT IF THE CHAIR WOULD BE WILLING, THAT THEY BRING THEIR RECOMMENDATION BACK TO US ON WHO WOULD COMPOSE THAT, BECAUSE I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A DIVERSE GROUP OF NEIGHBORS, ENVIRONMENTAL PEOPLE, USERS IN THE INDUSTRY, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. AND I'M NOT QUALIFIED TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION, BUT HOPEFULLY THEY ARE. AND THEN ON THE MORATORIUM, I MEAN, THE MAIN CONCERN I HEAR FROM MY RESIDENTS AND WHEN THEY THINK OF DATA CENTERS, THEY THINK OF THE REALLY BIG ONE. WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? THE HYPER SCALE.

HYPERSCALE, LIKE THE HUNDRED ACRES.

THERE'S NOWHERE IN MY DISTRICT THAT'S THAT BIG.

BUT I'M THINKING IN SOME PARTS OF THE CITY WE COULD BE BUILDING THOSE. AND SO, IF WE DO A MORATORIUM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THAT WOULD BE THE ONE. THAT TYPE OF USE WOULD BE THE MORATORIUM, AS OPPOSED TO SOME OF THE SMALLER ONES THAT HAVE BEEN EXISTING ACROSS THE STREET FOREVER. I THINK WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I'D WANT TO PUT A MORATORIUM IN. I'D WANT TO LEARN MORE BEFORE I JOIN A MORATORIUM ON THAT. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR RIDLEY.

SO, I'VE HAD A QUESTION ABOUT NOISE ISSUES WITH DATA CENTERS. SINCE THESE ARE DIGITAL OPERATIONS, WHAT ACTUALLY GENERATES NOISE THAT'S APPARENT OUTSIDE THE FOUR WALLS OF THE BUILDINGS? IT'S A VERY TECHNICAL QUESTION.

I WISH WE HAVE EXPERT ON THAT.

BUT I CAN JUST TELL YOU ABOUT MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE WE WERE INVITED TO ONE OF THE DATA CENTER NEW DATA SYSTEM, NOT IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, BUT IN PLANO. SO, WE WENT AND VISITED THAT ONE. REVENUE AND A SECOND PHASE. YOU KNOW, THE GOOD, GOOD DATA. SOME OF THE DATA CENTER, THEY ARE.

THEY ARE. OH YEAH, ACTUALLY MAYBE. LET ME JUST TELL ABOUT MY EXPERIENCE THERE.

JUST MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, NOT FROM THE TECHNICAL ASPECT.

THEY ARE BUILDING A BUILDING WITHIN A BUILDING. SO, BASICALLY THEY HAVE A BUILDING ABOUT 9 INCH INCHES WIDE, CONCRETE, AND THEN THEY HAVE HALLWAY AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS A DATA CENTER THEY CALLED WHITE SPACE. THAT'S WHERE THE SERVERS ARE HOUSED. IF YOU GET INTO THE SERVER, THAT ROOM IS PRETTY NOISY. I THINK IT WAS LIKE 75ISH DECIBELS. BUT IF YOU STEP TWO WALLS OUTSIDE, YOU DON'T HEAR VERY MUCH. I HAVE THE IT DIRECTOR HERE, JEFFREY IS EXPERT, EXPERT ON THAT AND HE CAN EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

HELLO, JEFF STOVALL, CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICER.

TO ADDRESS THE QUESTION OF WHERE NOISE COMES FROM A DATA CENTER. TYPICALLY IN A DATA CENTER YOU HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF HEAT EXCHANGE UNITS THAT SIT ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE DATA CENTER. SO, THAT'S WHERE WATER IS BEING USED TO

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BUT THE COOLING SYSTEMS EXIST ON THE OUTSIDE. THE COOLING SYSTEMS HAVE VERY LARGE FANS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. AND THOSE FANS CAN GENERATE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF NOISE BECAUSE OF THE LARGE VOLUME OF THEM THAT EXISTS FOR A DATA CENTER.

SO, THAT LEADS TO MY NEXT QUESTION, WHICH IS, IS THERE NOT TECHNOLOGY TO ALLOW THESE COOLING SYSTEMS TO RECYCLE THE WATER THAT IS USED FOR COOLING PURPOSES WITHOUT REQUIRING MILLIONS OF GALLONS A MONTH USAGE? WELL, AS YOU SEE IN THE PRESENTATION, MANY OF THESE DATA CENTERS DO REQUIRE MILLIONS OF GALLONS A MONTH.

SOME OF THEM DO USE RECYCLING TECHNOLOGIES IN ORDER TO REUSE THE WATER. HOWEVER, THE COOLING TECHNOLOGY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR MOST DATA CENTERS IS EVAPORATIVE.

SO, SO, THERE'S A LARGE EVAPORATION ACTIVITY THAT GOES ON WITH THAT WATER IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO COOL IT ON THE OUTSIDE. SO, THERE'S EVAPORATIVE TECHNOLOGIES AS WELL AS OTHER COMPRESSOR BASED TECHNOLOGIES. THE COMPRESSORS AND THE FANS CAN GENERATE THE NOISE, BUT THERE'S ALMOST ALWAYS SOME LEVEL OF WATER CONSUMPTION.

WELL, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A SUBJECT THAT WE NEED TO STUDY AND TO DEVELOP REGULATIONS TO DEAL WITH IT. AND MY PRIORITIES ARE TO DEAL WITH THE EXTREME USAGE OF WATER AND ELECTRICITY BY THESE STATUS CENTERS AND IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO DEVELOP REGULATIONS THAT REQUIRE RECYCLING OF WATER OR REQUIRE ON SITE ELECTRIC GENERATION TO SUPPLY ALL OR MOST OF THE THEIR ELECTRICITY NEEDS.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT.

THESE ARE NOT GOING AWAY.

THEY'RE A WAVE OF THE FUTURE, JUST LIKE TELEPHONE EXCHANGES WERE 100 YEARS AGO. SO, WE HAVE TO LEARN TO LIVE WITH THEM.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE CAN'T ALLOW THEM TO ENDANGER THE RELIABILITY OF OUR ELECTRIC GRID OR OUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE WATER TO ALL OF THE USERS OF DALLAS WATER USE UTILITIES.

THANK YOU, CHAIR RIDLEY. THOSE ARE SOME GREAT QUESTIONS AND I HOPE STAFF CAN.

YES, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, BUT I THINK IT'S GOOD TIMING TOO. AS YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE WE CAN REGULATE LOCALLY, LIKE THE CITY, THE LAND USE, THE ZONING, THE SETBACK. SOME OF THESE ARE REGIONAL ISSUE OR EVEN STATE. SO, THAT'S WHY I WE'RE GLAD THAT THE GOVERNOR ACTUALLY STEPPED UP AND HAVE TRYING TO ADDRESS THIS. I THINK THIS ISSUE, ENERGY, ESPECIALLY ENERGY AND SOMEWHAT WATER, PROBABLY HAS TO BE ADDRESSED AT REGIONAL OR STATE LEVEL.

AND I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME, YOU KNOW, STATE LEVEL REGULATION THAT WILL HELP AT THE CITY. AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE. WE'RE REALLY, REALLY TRYING TO SEE WHAT'S COMING UP IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. BUT THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS WE CAN DEFINITELY EVEN THE GENERATOR OUTSIDE GENERATES A TEST GENERATOR, USUALLY TWICE A MONTH. THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN REQUIRE. THE LOCATION OF GENERATOR, WHERE IT COULD BE LOCATED AND THEN THE NOISE LEVEL, THAT'S SOMETHING LOCALLY WE CAN DO.

AND RELEVANT TO STATE REGULATION OF DATA CENTERS. I ATTENDED AN INFRASTRUCTURE CONFERENCE THIS MORNING AT WHICH SENATOR ROYCE WEST WAS ASKED LIST WHAT HE CONSIDERED THE TOP PRIORITIES THAT WILL BE ISSUES AT THIS COMING 2027 LEGISLATIVE SESSION. THE FIRST ONE HE LISTED WAS DATA CENTERS.

AND WITH THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES COMING UP. SO, LET'S MAKE SURE WE BRING THAT BACK UP.

COUNCILMEMBER CADENA.

YEAH, THANK YOU, EMILY, FOR PREPARING THIS AND FOR EVERYONE WHO PROVIDED THEIR INPUT. MY UNCLE ACTUALLY HAS BEEN IN INFORMATION SYSTEMS SINCE COMPUTERS WERE EARLY ON.

AND SO, I KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE FEARFUL SOMETIMES OF TECHNOLOGY AND IT'S COMING UP. BUT I THINK WHERE I HEAR THE MOST CONCERN IS JUST LIKE WHAT CHAIR WEST MENTIONED IS WITH THE HYPERSCALE DATA CENTERS AND WHERE THOSE ARE LARGER, LOCATED NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL, JUST BECAUSE OF, I THINK SOME OF THE NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT'S COMING ONLINE. MY QUESTION IS DO WE KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, LIKE THE DATA CENTER ON ROUNDTABLE DRIVE OR ON MOCKINGBIRD, ARE THOSE CONSIDERED OR IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO KNOW IF THAT IS A HYPERSCALE DATA CENTER THAT IS COMING ONLINE OR EVEN THE ONE AT MARKET HALL? I THINK THAT ONE'S ANTICIPATED TO BE 245

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EQUINIX AND THE OTHER OPERATORS ARE THE ONES WHO BASICALLY ACT AS A LANDLORD AND DIFFERENT COMPANIES WILL COME AND LEASE SPACE WITHIN THEM.

TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE CAPACITY, THE ENERGY USE AND THE WATER USE, THERE'S NO CLEAR DEFINITION OF WHAT A HYPERSCALE FACILITY IS IN TERMS OF THOSE USAGES.

AND UNTIL THEY'RE BUILT, WE DON'T HAVE DATA TO KNOW WHAT THEIR WATER AND ELECTRICITY USAGES ARE. SO, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SAY. BUT I THINK GENERALLY A HYPERSCALE FACILITY IS A MEGA FACILITY AND THOSE WOULDN'T FALL UNDER THAT CATEGORY. OKAY. AND THEN I KNOW THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION HAS BEEN WORKING ON RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL.

SO, I THINK IF WE DO MOVE TOWARDS A TASK FORCE THAT WE NEED SOMEBODY FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY TO BE A PART OF THAT.

I ALSO SUPPORT EXPEDITING THE ZONING REVIEW.

IN MY DISTRICT, WE HAVE A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL AREA THAT IS NEAR RESIDENTIAL. AND SO, I KNOW MY COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY HAS BEEN VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, I GUESS, THE PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL AREA. SOME OF MY RESIDENTS ACTUALLY DO WORK FOR DATA CENTERS AND THEY WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE ME SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT IT BEING CLOSE TO THEIR HOMES. AND AGAIN, NOT ALL DATA CENTERS ARE BAD. I THINK AS Y' ALL HAVE MENTIONED THERE, THERE ARE MANY THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND AND THEY HAVE NOT CAUSED A PROBLEM. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THEY'RE THERE.

BUT I THINK IT IS MAYBE WITH THE NEW TECHNOLOGY AI THAT'S COMING ONLINE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HAS CAUSED US TO NEED TO LOOK AT THIS AND SEE WHAT CHANGES WE NEED TO MAKE AS WELL. IN TERMS OF THE WATER USAGE, HAVE Y' ALL LOOKED AT, I GUESS WHEN THAT IS THE MOST, WHEN MAYBE THE MOST WATER IS USED, IS IT WHEN IT'S COMING ONLINE OR IS IT WHEN THE DATA CENTER IS ACTUALLY OPERATING? I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW IF JEFF HAS AN ANSWER FOR THAT.

WE HAVE TO COUNCILMEMBER RIDLEY'S POINT AND TO YOURS AS WELL. WE HAVE SEEN SOME OTHER CITIES REQUIRE THE CLOSED LOOP COOLING SYSTEMS RATHER THAN EVAPORATIVE. SO, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK AT, FOR EXAMPLE, TO BRING AS A NEW REGULATION.

BUT REMEMBER. OH, I SEE, IT'S SARAH STANIFFER ALSO.

BUT REMEMBER, DALLAS WATER UTILITIES IS NOT JUST THE CITY OF DALLAS. IF WE PASS A REGULATION ON DATA CENTERS IN DALLAS, THERE'S STILL 23, 24 OTHER CITIES THAT USE DALLAS WATER UTILITIES WATER THAT WOULDN'T BE FOLLOWING THOSE SAME REGULATIONS. SO, IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE A LARGER LOOK THAN JUST AT THE CITY LEVEL. BUT IF SARAH OR JEFF HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, COME ON UP.

GOOD AFTERNOON. SARAH STANDIFORD, DIRECTOR OF DALLAS WATER UTILITIES. I HAVE WITH ME LESLIE CASTILLO. SHE IS OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR THAT IS WORKING ON THE NATIONAL BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ON DATA CENTERS WITH RESPECT TO WATER AND WASTEWATER USAGE.

BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST WATER, IT'S WASTEWATER YOU GUYS HAD ASKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT. WHAT ARE YOU SEEING ACROSS THE COUNTRY? THE RESEARCH INSTITUTES AND OTHERS THAT HAVE HAD DATA CENTERS BEFORE ARE REALLY LOOKING TOWARDS THOSE CLOSED LOOP SYSTEMS. THE COMMUNITY IS EVOLVING AS THEY GO THROUGH THE DATA CENTERS THAT ARE HERE IN DALLAS TODAY. THEY ARE NOT OUR HIGHEST USE CUSTOMERS IN THE SYSTEMS. THEY ARE IN SOME CASES HEAVIER ON WATER USE THAN OTHER INDUSTRIAL USES AND COMMERCIAL.

BUT THEY ARE NOT ANYWHERE EVEN IN OUR TOP HUNDRED CUSTOMERS FOR USAGE. SO, I THINK WHAT YOU GUYS ARE REALLY ASKING AND WHAT YOU'VE KIND OF HEARD FROM THE PANEL IS AS YOU GET THE BIG HYPER CENTERS, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE REALLY NEED TO BE PAYING ATTENTION TO MORE. SO, BECAUSE THEY'RE NEW, THEY NEED TO BE THE NEWER TECHNOLOGIES.

THEY'RE NOT SORT OF AN INFILL WHICH IS WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE IN DALLAS. LESLIE, DID YOU KIND OF FROM BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES, ARE YOU SEEING ANYTHING ELSE IN TERMS OF TIME OF DAY USAGE? I MEAN THEY'RE RUNNING 24 HOURS A DAY. SO, IT'S NOT JUST ON THE FRONT END AS THEY BUILD.

WE DO NOT TRACK CONSUMPTION BY THE HOUR.

RIGHT.

SO, WE COULDN'T TELL YOU IF THEY PEAK BETWEEN 10 AND 2. I SUSPECT THEY PEAK ON DIFFERENT TIME PERIODS BASED ON THEIR SERVICE.

HI, THIS IS. MY NAME IS LESLIE COSTILLO WITH ASSISTANT DIRECTOR. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. I THINK AS A STANDARD THE DATA CENTERS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH THE WATER UTILITIES AS A OVERALL AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING WITH THEIR SYSTEMS, THE CHANGE COMES

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BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT AS THEIR COOLING SYSTEMS ARE GOING TO BE VARIOUS. WHAT THEY USED UP IN THE NORTH.

RIGHT.

THEY'RE ABLE TO USE DIFFERENT THINGS JUST LIKE COMPARED TO IF THEY'RE GOING TO NEVADA WHERE IT'S VERY DRY, THEY'RE LIMITED IN WATER. SO, THEY'RE NOW IN TEXAS. THEY'RE HAVING TO LOOK AT THE AREA.

IT'S VERY SPECIFIC FOR THEIR WATER USAGE.

IN PARTICULAR, WE'RE WANTING TO HAVE THEM PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION TO US AND HAVE THAT CONVERSATION SO, WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR SYSTEM LOOKS LIKE.

ON THEIR COOLANT SYSTEM, THE ONES THAT ARE EXISTING RIGHT NOW ARE SET SO, THEY MAYBE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT DATA OBVIOUSLY.

SO, WITH THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS OR ANYTHING THAT WE END UP CHANGING, I THINK THAT WILL OPEN THAT CONVERSATION SO, WE CAN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AND UNDERSTAND THEIR WATER USE.

HAVE YOU ALL LOOKED AT FLOOD AND STORMWATER RUNOFF IN REGARDS TO ANY OF THE DATA CENTERS? NO, MA'AM.

IN TERMS OF GENERAL DRAINAGE, THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME BUILDING STANDARDS THEY HAVE TODAY. SO, IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE CONCRETE FOOTPRINT AND LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE. I WOULDN'T EXPECT THE DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS TO NECESSARILY CHANGE AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD EXPECT THE WATER AND WASTE WATER SYSTEMS TO GET BETTER AND THEY WOULD BE HELD TO ANY OTHER STANDARD. RIGHT.

ANY UPGRADES NEEDED ARE UPON THE DEVELOPER. WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH EMILY'S TEAM AND THEY KIND OF ADHERE TO THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS.

SO, WE WOULD, WE WOULD, WOULD BE LOOKING AT ALL OF THAT. BUT I DON'T ANTICIPATE IT CHANGING BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO GO IN WITH A FOOTPRINT IF THEY'RE NEW.

YEAH.

I THINK MY LAST COMMENT IS IT SOUNDS LIKE THOUGH I GUESS FROM WATER AND THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS WE ARE RELYING ON THE DATA CENTERS TO PROVIDE US INFORMATION ON I GUESS THEIR, YOU KNOW, THE TYPE OF DATA CENTER THEY ARE. AND THERE'S NOT REALLY, AT LEAST RIGHT NOW, A WAY TO GET MORE IN DEPTH INFORMATION TO SEE MAYBE IF THEY'RE COLOCATION OR HYPERSCALE OR ENTERPRISE. IS THAT CORRECT OR IS THERE A WAY.

ARE THEY GIVING US ANY INFORMATION, I GUESS BESIDES US ASKING ABOUT THE TYPE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW? THEY PROVIDE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF BUILDING. THEY DO PROVIDE WHAT EXISTING CATEGORIES OF THE LAND USE, THE WATER USAGE FOR THE NEW ONE. WE USUALLY DO NOT ASK THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO ACTUALLY FIGURE THAT OUT BEFORE THEY SUBMIT THE PERMIT.

I TALKED TO OUR CHIEF ELECTRICAL INSPECTOR JUST BEFORE I CAME HERE AND HE SAID THEY NEED TO WORK WITH ENCORE ROOM BEFORE THE SUMMIT. SUBMIT A PERMIT IS A BIG COMMITMENT.

IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE POWER, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BUILD THAT. THE POWER IS A NUMBER ONE ISSUE FOR THEIR SIGHTING SITING DATA CENTER.

IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE POWER, THEY USUALLY DO NOT BUILD.

SO, THAT'S NUMBER ONE. OF COURSE WATER IS NOT THE ONE AND THE LAND PROXIMITY TO THE MARKETING, THAT'S HOW THEY DECIDE. BUT USUALLY THOSE ARE NOT A FACTOR FOR OUR BUILDING REVIEW. WE REVIEW THE ELECTRICAL, THE PLUMBING FROM THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE PERSPECTIVE. COMPLIANCE. WE DO NOT DO ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT.

THANK YOU, EMILY.

COUNCILMEMBER RUFF THANK YOU.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. I THINK THAT THIS IS AN INDUSTRY THAT WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE. IT'S COMING, IT'S HERE, IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE. IT'S GOING TO BE AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF ANY CITY AND WE'VE GOT TO BE PAYING ATTENTION TO IT.

HOWEVER, WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE THAT ARE THAT WE HAVE THE DETAILS, WE UNDERSTAND THIS BUSINESS AND WE UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS OF THIS INDUSTRY.

AND WHAT I'M HEARING AND WHAT I'M. AND I DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THIS FIGHT. THIS IS NEW TO ME TOO.

BUT THIS IS NOT A ONE SIZE, FIT ALL BUSINESS. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT DATA CENTERS.

THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS.

THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT SIZES. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT USES. YOU DON'T LEGISLATE IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE LEGISLATING FOR. AND SO, I THINK WE NEED A LOT MORE INFORMATION BEFORE WE START MAKING ZONING RULES AND

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AT THE SAME TOKEN, I ALSO WANT TO BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE RESPONSIBLE, THOUGHTFUL GUIDELINES FOR THOSE COMPANIES THAT WE DO WANT TO HAVE, BUT THAT WE NEED TO ADJUST. SO, WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION, I DON'T THINK, TO BE MAKING ZONING RULES AND FIGURING OUT WHAT CLASSIFICATIONS OF WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PUT THESE THINGS. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND SO, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOMEBODY AND IT'S NOT A REFLECTION ON OUR STAFF, IT'S NOT A REFLECTION ON OUR ABILITIES HERE. WE HAVE THE BRIGHTEST AND THE BEST IN THIS GROUP. BUT I DON'T DO MY OWN SURGERY AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE IN THE SURGERY BUSINESS NOW.

WE HAVE TO FIND THE PEOPLE THAT DO THE RIGHT THING THAT KNOW ABOUT THIS BUSINESS AND EDUCATE US ON WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.

SO, THIS IS NOT A RUSH TO. WE DON'T NEED TO BE RUSHING ZONING. I THINK IF WE DO GET APPLICATIONS, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THEM ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS AND EVALUATE THEM THE BEST WE CAN. BUT WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO BE MAKING BROAD REGULATIONS OR DIRECTIONS. I DON'T THINK AGAIN. I'M NEW TO THIS GAME, BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT TO GET A LOT MORE RESEARCH. WE GOT A LOT UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THE WATER COMES FROM. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THE ELECTRICITY COMES FROM. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN THIS PLACE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

AND, AND IF I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, I GUARANTEE YOU THAT 99% OF THE OTHER PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND IT EITHER. SO, LET'S GET THE FACTS. THEN WE'RE GOING TO START FIGURING OUT WHAT KIND OF POLICIES AND WHAT KIND OF ZONING AND WHAT KIND OF LEGISLATION WE WANT TO HELP THESE COMPANIES DO.

AND I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING, THIS IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT. SO, MY EXPEDITING PROCESS WOULD BE LET'S GET MORE FACTS. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO DO. AND GET THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO ADVISE US. GET THE RIGHT PEOPLE WHO CAN GIVE US THE INFORMATION. AND THEN LET'S, LET'S TRY TO MAKE SOME GOOD DECISIONS.

NOT FAST, BUT THOUGHTFULLY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER. I'LL JUST SAY THIS IS THE FIRST OF WHAT I'M SURE WILL BE MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS. WE COMPLETELY AGREE. WHAT WE WANTED TO DO FOR PURPOSES OF TODAY WAS JUST GET OUR ARMS AROUND WHAT'S HERE, WHAT OUR ZONING CODE CURRENTLY SAYS.

WE'RE NOT RUSHING TO CHANGE ANYTHING. JUST WANTED TO START THE CONVERSATION.

SO, WE WILL BE BACK. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THANK YOU, CHAIR STEWART.

THANK YOU, CHAIR MORENO. SO, AT THIS POINT, I THINK THE IDEA OF THE TASK FORCE IS BRILLIANT. I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED THAT. TO COUNCILMEMBER ROSS POINT.

THERE'S A OF LOT WE DON'T KNOW. BUT I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND WE PUT PEOPLE ON THE TASK FORCE WHO CAN HELP EVALUATE SOME OF THIS SO, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. I WOULD SUGGEST WE GO TO DR. HODGES SCOTT AND ASK HER FOR A RECOMMENDATION FOR WATER CONSUMPTION. I THINK WE WOULD ASK MS. STANDIFER FOR A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER ELSE, IT SEEMS TO ME THE GRID IS AN ISSUE.

SO, I DON'T KNOW IF WE GO TO ENCORE, BUT PERHAPS, PERHAPS SOMEBODY FROM ENCORE.

SO, WE JUST, WE KNOW WHAT SOME OF OUR VULNERABILITIES COULD BE. THEY'RE PROBABLY MORE OUT THERE, BUT LET'S IDENTIFY THE ONES WE KNOW AND TRY TO HAVE AN EXPERT. YEAH. JUST SO, THAT WE CAN GET THE TECHNICAL INFORMATION THAT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, CHAIR.

DEPUTY PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, CHAIR. FIRST, GREAT PRESENTATION. I'M EXCITED ABOUT WHAT I HEARD TODAY. I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE DATA CENTERS IN MY COMMUNITY AND AROUND THE CITY OF DALLAS.

SOME OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. AND SO, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY.

IF WE CAN GO BACK. LET ME LOOK AT. SEE IF I CAN PULL IT BACK UP. OKAY. IT DIDN'T DO, I THINK, HOW MUCH MONEY OF REVENUE WILL THIS BRING TO THE CITY OF DALLAS? I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 10.4 MILLION A YEAR.

AND IF I. IF I COULD JUST ADD CHAIR JOHNSON, THAT NUMBER IS CONSERVATIVE IN THAT THERE ARE TWO BUILDINGS THAT WERE YET TO BE CONSTRUCTED WHEN THEY WERE APPRAISED LAST YEAR AND ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS UNDER RENOVATION. SO, THAT'S PROBABLY A CONSERVATIVE NUMBER.

BUT YES, THAT'S THE NUMBER.

OKAY, SO, IS.

I'M.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO MY PRESENTATION,

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10.3 MILLION, CITY OF DALLAS REVENUE? YES, SIR.

THAT'S AWESOME. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT AND HOW THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I FEEL LIKE IS GOING TO BE A GAME CHANGER AND IT'S GOING TO HELP THE CITY. CITY OF DALLAS. I HEARD ONE OF MY COUNCILMEMBERS SAY THIS, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS LOOKING AT AS WELL, HOW TALK ABOUT THE JOBS THAT IT ALSO BRINGS TO THE CITY OF DALLAS AND IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES.

SURE.

SO, I CAN START.

AND I'D WELCOME WHOEVER WANTS TO JOIN ME FROM ECODEV OR WHOEVER. SO, THERE'S LARGELY THREE STAGES OF EMPLOYMENT THAT OCCUR IN THINGS LIKE THIS. THE FIRST WOULD BE THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE, THE JOBS THAT IT TAKES TO ACTUALLY BUILD THE DATA CENTER. DATA CENTERS IN GENERAL DO NOT PROVIDE A TON OF EMPLOYMENT. THEY'RE LARGELY DATA CENTERS, SO, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE, BUT THEY DO HAVE SOME JOBS. BUT THE REAL POTENTIAL WOULD BE IF AN ECOSYSTEM WAS DEVELOPED AROUND THEM. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR AI INFRASTRUCTURE BUSINESSES OR AI CONSULTING BUSINESSES. THERE COULD BE AN ECOSYSTEM THAT DEVELOPS AROUND THOSE DATA CENTERS.

IN TERMS OF THOSE TECH JOBS, I WAS RECENTLY WITH CHAIR GRACEY, WHO STEPPED AWAY AT THE OAK CLIFF CHAMBER, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT THERE, THERE WAS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE FEDERAL RESERVE, AN ECONOMIST, WHO SHARED THAT AI JUST JOBS ARE HUGE IN DALLAS, THAT THEY'RE GROWING AND THEY'RE HARDER TO FILL. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S AN EARLY SIGN OF THIS. I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF TECH IN DALLAS. SO, THEY DON'T TEND TO BE. THE DATA CENTER ITSELF DOES NOT NECESSARILY GENERATE A TON OF EMPLOYMENT. IT'S A MODEST AMOUNT OF EMPLOYMENT.

IT'S SORT OF THE POTENTIAL FOR WHAT COMES NEXT AND THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE.

BUT THAT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SORT OF ACTED UPON AND I'LL LET ECODEV FINISH OUT ANYTHING OR CORRECT ANYTHING.

SO, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, JUST MAKE SURE IT'S A WHOLE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT GOES, THAT WILL CONNECT TO. SO, IT'S PRETTY MUCH A CONNECTIVITY THAT CREATES MORE, MORE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

SO, IT CREATES JOBS WITHIN ITSELF.

THERE COULD BE A JOB ECOSYSTEM DEVELOPING AFTERWARDS. ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT DATA CENTERS, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING, IF DATA IS YOUR BUSINESS AND YOU'RE TRYING TO EITHER CONNECT YOUR MODEL TO YOUR DATA, LATENCY MATTERS, THE SPEED AT WHICH DATA MOVES AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT, YOU WANT TO BE CLOSER TO THOSE DATA CENTERS. SO, THERE'S SOME EARLY RESEARCH OUT OF RICE UNIVERSITY AND OTHER PLACES TRYING TO SHOW WHAT WILL THE LONG TERM JOB IMPACTS BE OF DATA CENTERS. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE SOLID DATA.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT TOO NEW. BUT THERE IS HOPE THAT THERE WOULD BE THE DATA DEVELOPMENT OF A JOB ECOSYSTEM ALONG WITH THESE DATA CENTERS.

WELL, AND I'D SAY EVEN BEYOND THOSE SPECIFIC TYPES OF JOBS, THE DATA CENTERS SUPPORT THE COMPANIES THAT ARE COMING TO DALLAS TO CREATE JOBS. SO, THE LAST TIME I LOOKED AT THE CBRE LABOR REPORT ON TECHNOLOGY, DALLAS HAD MORE TECHNOLOGY JOBS IN HOUSTON AND AUSTIN COMBINED. SO, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE CITY IS BRINGING THE KINDS OF COMPANIES THAT CREATE THOSE HIGH PAYING JOBS THAT WE WANT, EVEN IF THE DATA CENTER ITSELF MAY NOT HAVE THAT MANY EMPLOYEES WITHIN IT.

AND I WANT TO ACTUALLY HAVE THIS PRESENTATION ADDED TO MY CODE AGENDA TO TALK ABOUT THAT PART THERE THAT IS ACTUALLY BRINGING REVENUE TO THE CITY, IT'S BRINGING BUSINESSES TO THE CITY WHICH IS GOING TO INCREASE THE TAX BASE FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS. SO, IT'S GOING TO INCREASE THAT.

NOW YOU HEAR THE NEGATIVE AND THE POSITIVE, RIGHT? AND ONE, ONE THE CONCERNS IS THE WATER.

SO, I HEARD EARLIER IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS WATER FILTRATION IS BEING USED TO CLEAN THE WATERWAYS FROM THE DATA CENTER. IS THAT CORRECT? WATER UTILITIES TO COME ADDRESS THAT QUESTION.

AND WHILE SHE'S COMING, IF THAT'S CORRECT, IF SO, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE WATER AFTERWARDS? HOW'S THE DATA CENTER WATER USED AFTER BEING FILTERED? SARA STANTA FOR DALLAS WATER UTILITIES I BELIEVE WHAT YOU'RE REALLY ASKING IS WHEN A DATA CENTER, LIKE ANY OTHER BUSINESS OR EVEN YOUR HOME IS USING THE DRINKING WATER FOR ANY PURPOSE, ONCE YOU DISCHARGE OF THAT, IT IS CONNECTED TO OUR SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM.

THE SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM THEN TAKES IT TO ONE OF OUR TWO WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS.

JUST DEPENDS ON WHERE THEY ARE IN THE SYSTEM. AND THEN THAT WASTEWATER IS TREATED TO A REGULATORY STANDARD SO, THAT IT CAN BE DISCHARGED INTO THE TRINITY RIVER CONSISTENT WITH OUR WASTEWATER PERMITS.

SO, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE WASTEWATER IMPACT AND WHAT IS IN THERE RIGHT NOW, DATA CENTERS ARE NOT REGULATED WHERE WE COULD TREAT THEM AS A

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SO, IN THOSE CASES, INDUSTRY ARE ACTUALLY PROVIDING AND WE ARE TESTING THEIR DISCHARGE BEFORE IT GOES INTO OUR SYSTEM. THAT IS PART OF THE NATIONAL CONVERSATION AND THE STATE CONVERSATION, MUCH LIKE Y' ALL TALKED ABOUT. WE DON'T HAVE A COMMON CODE THAT THEY'RE ALL ASSIGNED, SO, THEY DON'T END UP IN SOME OF THE NORMAL PATHS AND PROCEDURES THAT WE'RE IN. BUT IT WOULD JUST LEAVE THE BUILDING AS IT NORMALLY WOULD THROUGH A PIPE, CONNECT TO THE SYSTEMS AT THE CITY, AND THEN WE WOULD TREAT IT AND DISCHARGE IT.

OKAY, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THEORY HERE OR RESOURCES, BUT I HEARD THERE'S THE POSITIVE WAY TO GET IT DONE.

GET IT DONE WHERE IT WON'T BE A NEGATIVE EFFECT OR SUCH A CONCERN CONCERNING WITH THE WATER. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD OF THOSE AS WELL. IF YOU HAVE, YOU COULD KIND OF EXPOUND ON ANYONE YOU GUYS WANT TO DO THAT.

I THINK IT'S ALWAYS A BALANCING ACT. AND THE SAME BALANCING ACT ARE MAKING, RIGHT? THERE'S ECONOMIC BENEFITS, THERE'S REALIZED BENEFITS FROM ANY BUSINESS AND INDUSTRY.

AND SO, AS WE LOOK AT WHETHER IT'S ZONING OR ENGINEERING CRITERIA OR TESTING, WE'VE REALLY GOT TO BALANCE WHAT'S RIGHT. WE'RE NOT GOING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DISCHARGE ANYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T MEET A REGULATORY REQUIREMENT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT ANYTHING IN WITHOUT A REGULATORY REQUIREMENT. SO, THEY'RE GOING TO BE HELD TO THE STANDARDS WE HAVE TODAY.

AND THEN AS IT EVOLVES, WE'LL. WE WILL CONTINUE TO PUSH FORWARD THAT WAY.

OKAY.

AND TWO MORE QUESTION. I THINK, DID I SEE SOMETHING IN THE PRESENTATION WHERE THERE WAS ALREADY SOME. SOME BUILDINGS THAT EXISTED THAT THAT IS. IS IT HERE IN DALLAS? IS THAT.

THAT.

THAT'S ALREADY. IS IT DOWNTOWN? YES, SIR. THERE ARE 23 KNOWN DATA CENTER LOCATIONS AND THERE ARE SEVERAL DOWNTOWN, INCLUDING ACROSS THE STREET.

EMILY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO JUMP IN IF YOU WANTED THAT ONE.

YES. THERE ARE SIX OF THE 23 THAT ARE LOCATED DOWNTOWN, MOSTLY ARE ADAPTIVE REUSE, AND SOME OF THOSE ARE MIXED USE.

OKAY. I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

AGAIN, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES AND SOME CONCERNS. I WANT TO SAY THAT SOME CONCERNS THAT SOME HAVE BROUGHT CONCERNING THAT, BUT THE FACT THAT IT'S BRINGING WHAT, 10 PLUS MILLION DOLLARS, WE'RE BRINGING JOBS TO THE CITY OF DALLAS IS HAPPENING DOWNTOWN RIGHT HERE.

SO, I'M ASSUMING THAT THIS WILL CONTINUE TO BRING JOBS BACK INTO DOWNTOWN, WHICH STRENGTHENS OUR TAX BASE, AND THEN PROBABLY VENTURE OUT INTO SOME AREAS, I WOULD SAY SOUTHERN DALLAS, WHERE WE SEE THAT AND CREATE THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT BRINGS MORE JOBS TO OUR COMMUNITIES. SO, I SUPPORT THIS. I KNOW THAT THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS AND WE DO HAVE TO ANSWER SOME TOUGH QUESTIONS AND SOME CONCERNS. BUT I THINK THE MORE THAT WE EDUCATE OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT IT AND GET MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN STUDYING AND WORK OUT SOME OF THE CONCERNS, I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE DEFINITELY A GAME CHANGER AND IT'S HAPPENING IN OTHER PARTS OF OUR COUNTRY. AND I WANT TO SEE DALLAS BRING THAT KIND OF RESOURCE HERE AND BRING THOSE KIND OF JOBS AND BUSINESSES BACK DOWNTOWN. AND ALSO THAT WOULD AFFECT OUR LOCAL AREA. AND I SAID ALL THE TIME, IF DOWNTOWN THRIVES, THEN OUR WHOLE CITY THRIVES BECAUSE IT LITERALLY FLOWS TO EVERY PART OF DALLAS, WHETHER IT'S SOUTHERN, NORTH, EAST AND WEST. SO, I'M SUPPORTING ON THIS AND I'M VERY EXCITED AND LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING MORE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT. I ALSO WANT TO DISCUSS THIS AT THE CODE AGENDA AS WELL.

WELL, THANK YOU SO, MUCH.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

THANK YOU. IF WE CAN GET DWU BACK UP AND SARAH, IF YOU CAN HELP US PROVIDE A FORECAST OF THE WATER SUPPLY AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS AND BASED ON THE FORECAST OF PROJECTED DATA CENTERS.

SO, YOU ALL APPROVED IN 2024 THE LONG RANGE WATER SUPPLY PLAN THAT TAKES DWU, THE CITY AND OUR CUSTOMER CITIES THROUGH 2080. SO, IN EACH DECADE IT SHOWS WHERE THE SUPPLY NEEDS TO BE, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED IN THE INTERIM. RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE SIX RESERVOIRS THAT ARE CONNECTED TO OUR SYSTEM. A SEVENTH IS ON THE WAY. OUR NEXT BIG MILESTONES REALLY REACH AROUND 2035, 2037, WHEN WE WILL BRING THAT INTEGRATED PIPELINE FROM PALESTINE INTO THE DALLAS SYSTEM.

RIGHT.

THE KIND OF NUANCE BETWEEN ALL OF THIS IS IF ANY, IF ANY ZONING WERE TO CHANGE.

WHEN WE DO MODELING FOR LONG RANGE PLANNING, WE BASE ON WHAT ARE FULLY DEVELOPED ZONING OR FULLY DEVELOPED WATERSHEDS.

RIGHT.

SO, WE'RE GOING TO ASSUME THAT WHAT THE ZONING IS, IS THE MAXIMUM DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD OCCUR. AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ON MAXIMUM USAGE BASED ON THAT. AND THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THOSE PROJECTIONS WILL COME FROM. IF WE MAKE CHANGES THAT AND ZONING AND WE COMPLETELY CHANGE THINGS, THEN WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THOSE ASSUMPTIONS.

RIGHT.

OUR CUSTOMER CITIES PROVIDE THEIR ASSUMPTIONS AS WELL AND WE FOLD THOSE

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YEAH, AND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE USED WORDS LIKE EVOLVING. CHANGES LIKE THESE, NO MATTER HOW WE MOVE FORWARD IS SOMETHING THAT WE CONSTANTLY HAVE TO BE REVIEWING AND UPDATING AS THE WORLD BEFORE US CHANGES. SO, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF AGRICULTURE AT LEAST LARGE SCALE IN THIS CITY. WHAT'S THE BIGGEST INDUSTRIAL INDUSTRY USED FOR WATER CURRENTLY IN THE CITY OF DALLAS? SO, I COULD GET YOU GUYS A LIST OF THOSE. WE HAVE OUR TOP 10 KIND OF USERS. THOSE ARE PUBLISHED IN OUR OPERATING STATEMENTS.

YOU'LL SEE INDUSTRIES LIKE A TEXAS INDUSTRIES. YOU WILL SEE DALLAS COUNTY. YOU'LL SEE A BLEND OF THOSE. RIGHT. SO, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THINK PEOPLE WITH LARGE FOOTPRINTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, LOTS OF INDUSTRIAL USE AND OR KIND OF RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES.

SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE ON THOSE LISTS. YOU KIND OF SEE THE LIST.

OKAY.

AND WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW I THINK THERE'S AN AREA THAT WE CAN IMPROVE ON WHEN IT COMES TO FAULTY OR LEAKY PIPES. IF WE WERE TO EXPLORE FAULTY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ON DATA CENTERS, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE TO OUR HARDENING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE SO, THAT WE ARE MAKING SURE THAT THAT WATER ISN'T BEING DISPLACED, THAT THERE'S NOT WATER LEAKS SO, THAT WATER IS STAYING IN THE SYSTEM.

SO, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO, I'M GOING TO TRY TO ANSWER YOU TWICE AND NOT GET US TOO FAR OUT OF A DATA CENTER BRIEFING.

SO, WHEN WE'RE TALKING, TALKING ABOUT AGING INFRASTRUCTURE AND PIPES THAT ARE LEAKING. RIGHT. SO, THAT IS PRIMARILY AGE DRIVEN AND OR THE CONSUMPTION USAGE. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW WE PEAKED THE SYSTEM AT OVER 800 MILLION GALLONS THIS MORNING. THAT IS A LOT OF WATER. WE'RE SEEING DAYS UPON DAYS. AND SO, THAT PUTS A LOT OF STRESS ON THE SYSTEM. SO, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES IN OR REDEVELOPMENT THAT HAS TO RUN THROUGH PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT HAS TO MEET THE ENGINEERING GUIDELINES AND THE STANDARDS AND THOSE DEVELOPMENTS ARE REQUIRED TO UPGRADE SYSTEMS THAT WILL NOT MEET THE CODE AND CRITERIA.

AND THEN WE ALSO APPLY UP TO A 30% REIMBURSEMENT FOR ELIGIBLE COST IN THOSE SYSTEMS IF THEY'RE SERVING MORE THAN THEIR OWN PROPERTY. SO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO WE'RE ALL VERY GOOD ABOUT STAYING VERY LONG STEP IN MAKING SURE THAT DEVELOPMENT PAYS FOR DEVELOPMENT AND DEVELOPMENT SUPPORTS ITSELF AND IT'S NOT COMING OUT OF OUR RATE PAYER. NOW ANYONE WHO'S A CUSTOMER OF OURS ALSO HELPS DRIVE TOWARDS WHAT WE PAY ON OUR BOND ISSUANCES. IT ALSO HELPS PAY FOR OUR OPERATIONS.

AND SO, LEAKY PIPES ARE FIXED BOTH OPERATIONALLY AND CAPITAL WISE. RIGHT. SO, IN AND AROUND ANY CUSTOMER IS GOING TO HELP. IS THERE A PREMIUM YOU CAN PUT ON THOSE? NOT NECESSARILY. COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS GO IN A DIFFERENT TIER STRUCTURE THAN RESIDENTIAL.

AND KIND OF FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, IS THERE DIFFERENT WATER RATES THAT WE CAN PUT ON DIFFERENT USES OR INDUSTRIES? THE CURRENT WAY THE RATES ARE STRUCTURED IT PUTS THEM INTO SOME OF THOSE CATEGORIES. SO, YOU CAN HAVE RESIDENTIAL AT DIFFERENT TIERS FOR CONSUMPTION. THERE'S COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, THERE ARE GENERAL SERVICES.

THERE ARE ALSO GOVERNMENTAL SERVICES. AND SO, THOSE ARE.

THOSE ARE ACCOUNTED FOR BASED ON THOSE CATEGORIES.

IS THAT REGULATED THROUGH COUNCIL OR HOW IS THAT AT UL APPROVE RATES EVERY SEPTEMBER? I THINK I WOULD DO IT THE BUT YOU APPROVE IT AND THAT'S PART OF THE BUDGET CYCLE.

AND THEN THEY ARE DONE BASED ON A RATE MODEL. SO, ALL OF THE INPUTS BASED ON SIZE OF PIPES BASED ON USAGE THINGS GO INTO THOSE MODELS AND THEN IT GIVES US SORT OF A RANGE OF FLOW WHAT THAT RATE SHOULD BE BASED ON PLANNED AND ASSUMED CONSUMPTION THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

OKAY.

SO, THIS COUNCIL COULD REGULATE, COULD PUT PARAMETERS, COULD EVEN OUTRIGHT BAN DATA CENTERS. HOW DOES THAT AFFECT OUR OTHER 20 PLUS CITIES THAT WE SELL WATER TO? WOULD THEY STILL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DATA CENTERS AND CONSUME OUR WATER IF EVEN IF WE HAD THOSE REGULATIONS FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS? SO, A CITY, A CITY AS WE'VE MET WITH THE ATTORNEYS ON A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ISSUES, WE CAN'T REGULATE ANOTHER CITY AND PUT RULES IN PLACE FOR THEM. SO, THEY COULD CONTINUE TO ISSUE PERMITS, BUILD DATA CENTERS AND FOLLOW THEIR OWN RULES AND THEN YOU ALL WOULD POTENTIALLY HALT IT HERE IN DALLAS. BUT WE CANNOT REGULATE THEM AND STOP THEM

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ANOTHER BIG CONCERN IS THE SOUND AND THE NOISE THAT COMES FROM DATA CENTERS. IS THERE ANY STUDY IS THERE? I KNOW THAT WE.

Y' ALL DID THE 311 REPORTS AND THIS ISN'T TO YOU SARAH, YOU'RE OFF ON THIS ONE IS. I MEAN THAT'S A CONCERN THAT I HEAR FROM LIKE A LEGITIMATE CONCERN THAT I DO HEAR FROM RESIDENTS. IS THAT HOW TRUE IS IT? IS THERE CAN THERE BE BUFFERS PUT IN PLACE? I KNOW THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT THE PLACEMENT OF THE FANS. WE CAN REGULATE THAT. BUT COULD WE ALSO POSSIBLY DO RESIDENTIAL DISTANCING OR HOW WOULD THAT LOOK? I'VE BEEN KIND OF WORKING WITH OTHER CITIES CHECKING ON WHAT THEY DO. SOME CITIES DO HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT. NOT VERY MANY FOR THE CITY I'VE BEEN CHECKING WITH. A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THEM DO HAVE STANDARD IN PLACE AND ONE OF THE STANDARDS IS DISTANT FROM RESIDENTIAL. SOME EVEN HAVE EVEN FURTHER. THEY CALL THIS SENSITIVE USE. AND ONE CITY I DON'T WANT TO NAME, WHICH ONE EVEN SAID THE ZOO IS A SENSITIVE USE. SO, THEY'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE. SOME CITY DO NOT HAVE ANY SPECIFIC STANDARD FOR DATA CENTER. JUST TREAT THEM AS THE SAME AS EVERYTHING ELSE. YOU CANNOT HAVE A NOISE BEYOND YOUR PROPERTY AT A CERTAIN LEVEL, USUALLY 65 DECIBEL. THAT'S STANDARDS.

EVEN YOUR DATA CENTER OR SOMETHING ELSE, YOU CANNOT HAVE THAT NOISE LEVEL BEYOND YOUR PROPERTY LINE AT A CERTAIN LEVEL.

OKAY, THANK YOU. MY NEXT QUESTION IS GOING TO BE FOR GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS WITH ERIC.

THE QUESTION IS HOW DOES GOVERNOR ABBOTT'S ORDER ON GUARDRAILS AND STATE APPROVALS AFFECT DATA CENTER DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY OF DALLAS? IS IT RETROACTIVE AND IF IT ISN'T, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR EXISTING DATA CENTERS? ERIC DOMINGUEZ, ALSO GOVERNOR AFFAIRS, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. AND SO, YES, GOVERNOR ABBOTT'S ORDER DOES PROVIDE A LIST OF STIPULATIONS.

I DEFINITELY DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IF I CAN ADD ANYTHING. ALSO TO THAT DISCUSSION IS THAT WITHIN THIS PAST MONTH WE HAVE HAD FOUR COMMITTEE HEARINGS IN THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE ON THIS ISSUE ALL THE WAY FROM THE HOUSE COMMITTEE ON STATE AFFAIRS SITTING COMMITTEE ON FINANCE AS OF TODAY. THERE WAS ALSO THE SENATE COMMITTEE ON WATER, AGRICULTURE AND RURAL AFFAIRS THAT HAVE ALL TAPED UP THIS ISSUE IN A NUMBER OF WAYS. AS I HAD ALLUDED EARLIER TO A PREVIOUS COMMITTEE IS THOSE INTERIM REPORTS ARE GOING TO BE PRINTED AND DISTRIBUTED FOR YOUR PURVIEW FOR YOU TO CONSIDER ABOUT WHAT THE MEMBERS IN THE LEDGE ARE CONSIDERING HOW THIS IMPACTS THE CITY. SO, YES.

OKAY, THANK YOU. AS WE GO TO ROUND TWO, I WANT US TO FOCUS THE CONVERSATION AROUND A TASK FORCE OR COMMISSION DIRECTING OUR CITY MANAGER TO ENACT THIS. LOOKING FOR WHAT I DO WANT TO DO THOUGH IS GET RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THIS BODY ON NAMES ON WHO WOULD THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE PARTICIPATE. SO, LET'S TRY TO FOCUS THIS NEXT ROUND ON KIND OF WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR NEXT STEPS. TO BE WITH THAT CHAIR GRACEY IF I MAY. CHAIR I WOULD ALSO ASK FOR FEEDBACK ON WHAT YOU WANT THAT TASK FORCE TO ACCOMPLISH, WHAT THEIR MISSION WOULD BE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO CONCUR ECHO WHAT CHAIR STEWART SAID IN TERMS OF SOME OF THOSE COMMITTEES. THE ONLY OTHER ONE I WOULD ADD IS SOMETHING TECHNOLOGY BECAUSE AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE SPACES, I REMEMBER I WAS USING NOT I DON'T REMEMBER, I DON'T THINK I WAS AROUND IN BUT WHEN COMPUTERS FIRST CAME ONLINE, IT WAS THEY COVERED A WHOLE ROOM AND EVENTUALLY OVER TIME THEY BEGAN TO SHRINK. AND I CAN'T HELP BUT TO THINK RIGHT. AND I CAN'T HELP BUT TO THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO TO BE SOMETHING AS WELL. SO, AS WE'RE PLANNING FOR ALL OF THIS SPACE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD INCLUDE I'M SURE YOU ALL ARE INVOLVED FROM A PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN, BUT FROM YOU ALL'S PERSPECTIVE, THINKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE TECHNOLOGY CHANGES SO,

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SO, THAT WOULD BE CHAIR THE PIECE THAT I WOULD ADD IS FROM A REAL ESTATE, FROM A PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN AND FROM A TECHNOLOGY PERSPECTIVE, WHAT HAPPENS AS THIS TECHNOLOGY EVOLVES. I'M HEARING, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING FROM SUPERCELL BATTERIES TO WATER AND ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE NOW FROM A, YOU KNOW, POWERING PERSPECTIVE, BUT JUST STAYING ON TOP OF THAT TECHNOLOGY SO, THAT WE CAN BE AHEAD OF IT AS THESE THINGS COME ONLINE AND, AND WE'RE NOT REGRETTING THE DECISION. THANK YOU.

BERTA, CAN YOU CHIME IN A LITTLE BIT ON KIND OF THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS? I KNOW WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO A DATA CENTER IF IT CEASES TO EXIST AS THAT OPERATION AND HOW IT TRANSITIONS TO APARTMENTS OR OFFICE.

AND SO, LET ME SO, ON THE DESIGN COMPONENT COMPONENT, WE COULD WE I MIGHT HAND THAT OFF TO EMILY, BUT CERTAINLY I CAN JUST START BY SAYING WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS THAT CURRENTLY THE INFILL IS THAT THEY'RE OCCUPYING BUILDINGS THAT WERE SOMETHING ELSE. IT'S RELATIVELY TRADITIONAL OFFICE SPACE IN GENERAL IS WHAT THE OBSERVATION HAS BEEN. AND SO, IT DOES NOT SEEM THAT CONVERSION WOULD BE PARTICULARLY DIFFICULT, ALTHOUGH THAT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO SAY, BUT I'LL HAND THAT OVER TO EMILY.

YES, SOMETHING ABOUT URBAN DESIGN. THERE ARE SOME ARCHITECTS ACTUALLY SPECIALIZE IN DATA CENTER DESIGN. I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD COMPONENT OF THIS.

COUNCILMEMBER BLAIR WELL, LIKE I THINK I'VE HEARD OTHERS SAY WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS WHAT WE WOULD NEED SOMEONE ON THIS TASK FORCE WHO CAN TALK TO ENVIRONMENTAL. SOMEONE ON THE TASK, BUT NOT ONLY INTERNALLY WITHIN THE CITY, BUT SOMEONE WHO SPECIALIZES IN DATA CENTERS. I WOULD ALSO BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD NEED SOMEONE FROM ENCORE, ERCOT, SOMEONE WHO, YOU KNOW, DWU, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD GET US STARTED. AND THEN I BELIEVE SOMEONE WITHIN THIS BODY WOULD ALSO NEED TO BE INCLUDED. AND SOMEONE FROM, ESPECIALLY FROM PLANNING AND ZONING AS TO WHAT TYPE AND WHAT I WOULD ASK PLANNING AND ZONING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE US THE BEST USE OF LAND. WHAT WOULD THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION BE AS WELL AS IF WE NEED TO REDEVELOP THAT PIECE OF LAND AFTER THE FACT, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? AND I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD GET US REALLY GOOD STARTED ON THIS.

THANK YOU, CHAIR WEST.

THANK YOU, CHAIR, FOR ASKING THE QUESTION. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE FOR STAFF, ONCE YOU HEAR ALL THESE VARIOUS RECOMMENDATIONS FROM US AND I THINK THERE'S SOME GOOD ONES, TO SORT OF COMPILE THOSE AND THEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO US BASED ON WHAT YOU HEAR, WHICH I ASSUME YOU'RE GOING TO DO ANYWAY, AND THEN LET US HELP YOU WITH THE APPOINTEES AND WHO THE ACTUAL PEOPLE WOULD BE TO FILL THOSE. I AGREE WITH WHAT MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID HERE, LIKE A PUBLIC UTILITIES EXPERT, LIKE AN ENCORE OR SOMEONE OR WHOEVER, DWU AT THE TABLE, SOMEONE FROM PNZ, AN ENVIRONMENTAL TYPE PERSON, A USER OF DATA CENTERS, A BUILDER. I THINK SOMEBODY MENTIONED THAT, AN ARCHITECT MAYBE. I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING A COUNCILMEMBER ON THERE. I THINK IT COULD GET A LITTLE POLITICAL, BUT I DON'T KNOW SOMEONE WHO COULD. WE COULD TOSS THAT ONE AROUND A LITTLE BIT LATER.

BUT I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE POLITICAL, I WANT THIS TO BE ADVISORY.

BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A COLLEAGUE WHO COULD TELL US WHAT'S GOING ON OR AT LEAST A STAFF LIAISON WHO'S ON THE GROUND DOING THIS. AND THEN I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION WILL BE THE CHAIR, SOMEBODY WHO CAN SORT THROUGH THE HANDLE MEETINGS, HOLD PUBLIC MEETING MEETINGS OCCASIONALLY TO COLLECT FEEDBACK. AND I MEAN THIS THING COULD BE EXTREMELY CONTROVERSIAL

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THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR RIDLEY, COUNCILMEMBER CADENA.

YEAH, I WOULD DEFINITELY ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY, MAYBE EVEN SOMEONE FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION BECAUSE I KNOW THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED TO WORK ON THIS. SO, ACCORDING TO A PRESSER THAT I HAVE ABOUT THE MARKET CENTER DATA CENTER, THAT ONE IS POSSIBLY A HYPERSCALE. SO, I, OR AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT THE PRESSER SAYS. I THINK A COMMUNITY MEMBER THAT LIVES NEAR THAT AREA WOULD BE BENEFICIAL SO, THAT WE HAVE SOME COMMUNITY RESIDENTS, ECODEV IT THE COG, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE OUR REGION. AND I BELIEVE THEY'VE ALREADY, THEY'VE STARTED DOING WORK ON THIS AS WELL. WATER UTILITIES, ZONING, PLANNING CODE, I THINK MIGHT AT LEAST NEEDS TO BE A PART OF THIS. I AGREE WITH THE CHAIR, GRACEY, ABOUT ALSO DECOMMISSION COMMISSIONING. SO, THAT MAY BE THE ENVIRONMENTAL DEPARTMENT.

AND THEN ALSO AIR QUALITY IS ALSO A CONCERN WITH SOME OF THESE FACILITIES. SO, SOMEONE AROUND THAT AS WELL.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER ROTH.

I SORT OF LOOK AT IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. FIRST WE, FIRST WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE TASK FORCE IS GOING TO DO. I THINK YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION EARLIER. WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE TASK FORCE AND WHAT'S THEIR MISSION GOING TO BE? THEN YOU CAN STAFF THE TASK FORCE ACCORDINGLY. I THINK THAT THE FIRST PART OF IT AND ALL THE SUGGESTIONS FOR THE STAKEHOLDERS IN THAT TASK FORCE ARE ALL YOU'VE GOT THE LIST. I MEAN, YOU'VE REALLY GOT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT YOU NEED TO DO.

BUT THE QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO? AND SO, THE FIRST THING IS, I THINK, AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR VIEW OF WHAT TASK FORCE WOULD DO, BUT IT SEEMED TO ME THAT THE FIRST THING IS, IS WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT.

SO, THE FIRST PART OF THIS TASK FORCE IS TO IDENTIFY AND EXPLAIN TO US AND FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATIONS OF DATA CENTERS AND WHAT ARE THEIR NEEDS, WHAT DO THEY DO, HOW DO THEY OPERATE? THAT'S GOING TO BE A TASK JUST ON ITS. THEN WITH THAT INFORMATION, THEN WE CAN SAY, OKAY, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? KNOWING THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF DATA CENTERS, WHAT KIND OF ISSUES COME UP WITH THOSE PARTICULAR DATA CENTERS, WHETHER THEY'RE TECHNICAL, OPERATIONAL, CONSTRUCTION, DEVELOPMENT, ENVIRONMENTAL.

THEN YOU CAN START STAFFING PEOPLE ON THE TASK FORCE TO IDENTIFY HOW DO YOU ADDRESS EACH COMPONENT DATA CENTER AND IDENTIFY THE ISSUES AND THE PROBLEMS. AND THEN THE THIRD THING IS, THE THIRD PART IS AFTER YOU GET THE INFORMATION, YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE. THEN YOU GOT A THIRD PART OF THE TASK FORCE WHICH IS, OKAY, LET'S LOOK AT LEGISLATIVE GUIDELINES, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF ORDINANCE. THEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT DO YOU DO TO PROVIDE A RESPONSIBLE MEANS OF ENCOURAGING THESE TYPES OF USES, HELPING MANAGE THESE TYPES OF USES, HELPING BE SENSITIVE TO THESE TYPES OF USES. AND THIS IS A THREE OR FOUR PRONGED PLAN. AND SO, YOU DON'T START SAYING, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO REGULATE? IF, IF WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IT, WE DON'T SAY, WELL, LET'S PUT THESE PEOPLE ON THE TASK FORCE. IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR TASK IS. SO, AGAIN I NEED FROM YOU TO TELL ME BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. YOU ALL ARE SUPPOSED TO HELP US CRAFT THE PROCESS AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO HELP US PLAN THIS TASK FORCE OBJECTIVES, GOALS AND A TIMELINE. THIS IS NOT A ONE YEAR DEAL. THIS IS GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AND WE GOT TO DO IT RIGHT BECAUSE I WANT THIS TO BE SUCCESSFUL. I WANT TO BE A LEADER IN THE TECHNOLOGY BOOM IN THIS PART OF THE WORLD. OUR FINANCIAL SERVICE BUSINESSES, OUR AVIATION, OUR TECHNOLOGY, OUR MEDICAL, ALL OF THE INDUSTRIES THAT WE ARE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HERE ARE TIED TO TECHNOLOGY. THIS IS A CENTER PART OF OUR DEAL. WE GOT TO GET IT RIGHT, WE GOT TO ENCOURAGE IT. WE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, THAT WE ARE A USER FRIENDLY, BUSINESS FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT FOR THE COMPANIES THAT ARE NEEDING THIS. YOU ASKED ABOUT NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES.

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SO, LET'S, AND IN THE MEANTIME, LET'S LOOK AT IT ONE BY ONE.

BUT LET'S GET THIS, ROLL IT OUT AS A PLAN, NOT AS A WE GOT TO DO IT TOMORROW.

OKAY, THANK YOU, CHAIR STEWART.

THANK YOU CHAIR. JUST TO RECAP, I HAD SUGGESTED, AS OTHER PEOPLE HAVE, OEQS, DW AND ENCORE. I THINK AN ADDITIONAL MORE REGIONAL PERSPECTIVE COULD BE SOMEBODY FROM THE REGIONAL CHAMBER OR SOMEONE FROM THE NORTH TEXAS COMMISSION. AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT JUST GIVES US A SENSE, MAYBE A REPRESENTATIVE OF SOMEONE WHO CAN HELP US UNDERSTAND THE REGIONAL ASPECT OF THIS. BUT TO DIRECTOR BENTLEY'S QUESTION ON WHAT DO WE WANT THESE PEOPLE TO DO, I THINK IT KIND OF FALLS INTO TWO BUCKETS FOR ME. ONE IS THE USE OF RESOURCES. I THINK THAT'S WHAT IS BEING HEAVILY DEBATED AT THIS POINT. SO, WE NEED TO IDENTIFY WHAT ARE THE RESOURCES AND THEN QUANTIFY TO THAT TO SOME EXTENT, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEEDING SOMEBODY FROM DWU THERE.

RIGHT? SO, IT'S USE OF RESOURCES AND THEN IT'S BENEFIT TO THE CITY. AND WE'VE TOUCHED ON THAT BRIEFLY, WHETHER IT'S JOBS OR NEW BUSINESSES.

BUT IT, TO ME, THAT'S THE BALANCE, RIGHT? WHAT. WHAT IS BEING ASKED FROM US AND.

BUT WHAT. HOW DO WE BENEFIT AND HOW DO WE FIND THAT HAPPY MEDIUM WHERE WE ARE ABLE TO GET THE BENEFITS? BUT I WANT TO SAY MINIMIZE THE RESOURCES IT REQUIRES, BUT AT LEAST HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT THEY ARE AND UNDERSTAND OUR ABILITY TO MEET THOSE DEMANDS. THANK YOU, CHAIR.

THANK YOU. THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD ADD IS I HEARD ARCHITECT, BUT MAYBE I WOULD ADD ENGINEER, SOMEONE WHO CAN TALK TO US ABOUT THE MECHANICS, BUT.

BUT ALSO THE TECHNOLOGY. AND WHERE ARE WE AT TODAY AND WHERE ARE WE GOING TO BE TWO YEARS, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW TO TERROR STEWART'S POINT? THE RESOURCES, THE BENEFITS. I DO WANT TO CREATE A PORTAL FOR THE PUBLIC, FOR OUR RESIDENTS. YOU KNOW, I KNOW I'VE ALREADY RECEIVED A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS LIKE CAN THE CITY MANDATE DRY COOLING, CLOSED LOOPS, RECYCLING, CAN WE PUT IN STRICT DECIBEL LIMITS? HOW DO YOU CLASSIFY AND ZONE DATA CENTERS? AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS BODY, WE KNOW SOME, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DATA CENTERS, BUT THERE'S A LOT TO LEARN AND A LOT TO UNDERSTAND. AND SO, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOMETHING, A MECHANISM AVAILABLE FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT WE MIGHT NOT THINK ABOUT OR HEAR WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE AND WHAT THEIR WORRIES ARE.

AND TRYING TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS THOROUGHLY BY EXPERTS. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE ACADEMIA EXPERTS. I KNOW THAT FORT WORTH IS PARTNERING WITH TCU, I BELIEVE, AND SO, DALLAS NEEDS TO LOOK AT A PARTNER LIKE THAT THAT'S NOT. NOT GOING TO HAVE A. A BIASED OPINION ON HOW WE MOVE FORWARD. ALL RIGHT, SO, I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE DIRECTION WITH THAT. THANK YOU

[BRIEFING MEMOS (Part 2 of 2)]

WE ARE GOING TO SKIP FOR NOW ITEM B AND GO TO ITEM C THAT'S A PROJECT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN MORENO AND MEMBERS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE. I'M KEVIN SPATH, DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I HADN'T PLANNED ON PRESENTING ITEM C, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY HERE FOR QUESTIONS. THIS IS A VERY SMALL PROJECT OR LARGE.

KEVIN, BEFORE. BEFORE YOU GO, LET'S JUST SEE IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS ON ITEM C. CHAIR STEWART, GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU. THIS IS ONE I AM VERY EXCITED ABOUT. THIS IS A ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT IN MY DISTRICT. I DON'T BELIEVE

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WE'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, SO, I WON'T GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL, BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE.

CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR FIRST PROJECT.

THANK YOU.

COUNCILMEMBER ROTH.

SO, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? WHAT ARE YOU BUILDING HERE? I'M LOOKING, I'M SAYING IT. WHY DON'T YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT? PROJECT, A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, PLEASE.

OKAY.

OH, IS HE UP THERE? ARE YOU ASKING THAT A STAFF, MR. ROTH, WHOEVER KNOWS THE. WHO KNOWS THE INFORMATION? I'LL RATTLE OFF.

I THINK THAT GUY KNOWS THE INFORMATION.

THE QUICK VERSION IS RIGHT.

THIS IS A 1976 CAR WASH, TINY LITTLE SITE.

RIGHT.

THE OWNER DEVELOPERS PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH THAT AND BUILD A TWO STORY MIXED USE BUILDING WITH A RETAIL ON THE BOTTOM, OFFICE ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

IT'LL BE ABOUT 7,000 SQUARE FEET AND, AND IT'S ABOUT A 4.75 MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT.

THE TIF BOARD FOR SKILLMAN CORRIDOR TIFF DISTRICT HAS APPROVED 1.18 MILLION AS, AS A SUBSIDY THAT WOULD BE PAID UPON COMPLETION.

WHAT TYPE OF TENANTS AND WHAT TYPE. WHAT'S YOUR PLAN THERE IN TERMS OF OCCUPANCY AND, AND ABILITY TO MAKE MONEY THERE? MY NAME IS TREY CHAPMAN, SO, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF TIGER WALNUT HILL, WHICH IS THE DEVELOPER THERE. I CURRENTLY OWN AND OPERATE THE CAR WASH THAT'S ON THAT SITE AND HAVE SINCE 2019. I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN LAKE HIGHLANDS AND SO, I'VE GOT HEIGHTENED AWARENESS AND SENSITIVITY TO KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THERE AT THIS INTERSECTION. AND THE GOAL IS REALLY TO BRING IN, YOU KNOW, LOCAL RETAILERS TO THAT LOWER LEVEL THAT ARE COMPLEMENTARY TO EACH OTHER.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT VAPE STORES, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, CELL PHONE REPAIR COMPANIES.

RIGHT. WE'RE, WE'RE HIGHLY FOCUSED ON THINGS THAT ARE ACCRETIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, TO THE SURROUNDING AREAS, THE SCHOOLS, THE KIDS. SO, THAT'S REALLY OUR FOCUS, YOU KNOW, ON BRINGING THOSE FOLKS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

OKAY.

I BELIEVE COFFEE SHOP HAS BEEN MENTIONED. JUST SAYING.

WELL, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS I'M TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF THE ECONOMIC IMPACT IN THE. I WANT TO, I WANT TO GET YOU ALL, GIVE YOU ALL CREDIT FOR DOING A PROJECT THAT WILL DO SOMETHING.

YOU OWN THE LAND ALREADY.

YOU'RE ALREADY, YOU ALREADY HAVE THE LOCATION.

SO, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS BASICALLY YOU'RE BUILDING A NEW BUILDING ON TOP OF AN EXISTING PROPERTY.

THAT IS ACCURATE.

RIGHT.

AND THE KEY PIECE, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT KIND OF ECONOMIC IMPACT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND FROM A CAR WASH PERSPECTIVE.

WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY.

IT IS AT A TAXABLE VALUE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, CALL IT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.

AND WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY SALES TAX, SO, TO SPEAK, BECAUSE CAR WASHES DON'T CHARGE SALES TAX.

RIGHT.

SO, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OPPORTUNITY OF ECONOMIC IMPACT ON THAT LOCATION, YOU ALL OF A SUDDEN PICK UP THE REAL ESTATE, THE SALES TAX AND THE BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX AT THAT LOCATION THAT HASN'T EXISTED SINCE, YOU KNOW, FOREVER.

AND YOU'RE. AND WE'RE PROVIDING A, IN ADDITION TO THE TIF MONEY TO HELP YOU DO THAT. WE'RE PROVIDING SOME GRANT MONEY FROM LOAN MONEY. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING ALSO? IS THERE. I THOUGHT THERE WAS ANOTHER COMPONENT.

NO, IT WAS JUST. JUST ONE COMPONENT. PAYABLE UPON COMPLETION, BRIDGE LOAN.

THAT'S HIS RESPONSIBILITY.

BECAUSE THE CITY'S MONEY DOESN'T COME IN UNTIL COMPLETION, THE DEVELOPER WILL NEED TO BRIDGE OUR MONEY AND SO, HE WILL LIKELY SEEK A LOAN FOR THAT.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

WE DON'T NEED A MOTION OR RECOMMENDATION? NO, NOT. NONE IS NECESSARY.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO ITEM E.

ERIC DOMINGUEZ, OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS. TODAY BEFORE YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS GOING TO BE ONE STOP OF MANY AS WE ARE NOW TEEING OFF TO GO TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS FOR YOUR INPUT OF ADDITIONAL PRIORITIES PRIOR TO THIS. AND CERTAINLY THIS IS JUST A CAPSTONE OF THESE ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT BEFORE YOUR COMMITTEE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA PRIORITIES.

SO, I DEFINITELY WANT

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AND AS I ALLUDED TO EARLIER, OF THE ANTICIPATED HIGH NUMBER OF BILLS THAT DOES COME BEFORE THE CITY OF DALLAS'S PURVIEW, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WITH LAST SESSION, WE MONITORED A LITTLE UNDER 1900 BILLS. SO, THOSE ARE 1900 PRIORITIES THAT HAD THE POTENTIAL IMPACT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES. DIFFERENT PRIORITIES. AND IT CERTAINLY PROVIDES US WITH, THROUGH YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE STANCE, OUR POSTURE AND HOW DO WE ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR THOSE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES. SO, AGAIN, BEFORE YOU FOR YOUR COMMITTEE'S CONSIDERATION AS NOT ONLY THESE PARTICULAR ISSUES, BUT CERTAINLY IF YOU HAD ADDITIONAL ONES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD, THERE IS TODAY AS WELL, WELL AS AN ADDITIONAL MEETING BEFORE THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, WHICH WILL THEN IN TURN GO BEFORE THE FULL COUNCIL AS WELL. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. DIRECTOR DOMINGUEZ. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ERIC OR COMMENTS? COUNCILMEMBER GRACEY YEAH, I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS, BUT I KNOW WE JUST FINISHED TALKING ABOUT DATA CENTERS. AND I'M LOOKING AT NUMBER FIVE, IT SAYS MONITOR AND EVALUATE ALL PROPOSALS, PROPOSED LEGISLATIONS RELATED TO DATA CENTERS. AND IT SAYS NO.

AND ON TOP OF THAT, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. IT'S WAS IT A PRIOR LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM ITEM ABOVE THE TAB ON THE MEMO? YES.

THAT RECOMMENDATION ACTUALLY WAS BY CHAIR MORENO AT THE TIME GOING BEFORE A PRIOR COMMITTEE OF HAVING US IDENTIFY IF THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE HAD COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL AS A PRIOR LAW LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM ITEM.

SO, THANK YOU FOR NOTATING THAT.

THANK YOU FOR THE LAST ONE WE HAD IT. IT WAS A YES, NO OR PURSUE OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. AND THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE. SO, IN THIS CASE, THIS IS ONE I WANT. THESE ARE ITEMS FROM THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, CORRECT? GOT IT.

OKAY, UNDERSTOOD.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER.

WELL, I'D LIKE TO CHANGE THAT TO A YEAR.

ANYONE ELSE? I HAVE A QUESTION.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT SOME OF THESE ITEMS ARE ARE OVERLAPPING. FOR EXAMPLE, FOR MONITOR AND EVALUATE ALL LEGISLATION RELATED TO MUNICIPAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES. AND THEN WE HAVE ONE IN NUMBER THREE THAT ALSO REGARDS MONITORING INCENTIVES AND OTHER MEASURES RELATED TO DOWNTOWN OFFICE TO HOUSING CONVERSIONS. ISN'T THREE INCORPORATED WITHIN FOUR? YES, SIR. I WOULD ALSO MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT THIS HOUSING HELPS US ENCOMPASS ALL BILLS.

AND SO, THIS, PER THE DIRECTION OF THE CHAIR, WAS A GOOD SAFE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO MONITOR ALL LEGISLATION.

SO, IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT WITHIN THIS LIST, THAT NUMBER FOUR AS AN EXAMPLE ENCOMPASSES ALL POTENTIAL PROPOSED LEGISLATION THAT WE CAN MONITOR ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.

WELL, I'M JUST MINDFUL OF HAVING TOO MANY LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES BOTH FOR OUR PURPOSES AND FOR TRACKING THEM AND ALSO OUR LEGISLATORS WHO WILL BE OVERWHELMED BY TOO MANY OF THESE. AND SO, I'D LIKE TO WINNOW THEM DOWN AS MUCH AS WE CAN OR AT LEAST GROUP THEM INTO MORE GENERAL TOPICS THAT WOULD ENCOMPASS THE SUBSTANCE OF THESE ITEMS IN FEWER LISTED PRIORITIES.

THANK YOU FOR THAT RECOMMENDATION. I LOOK FORWARD TO INPUT.

COUNCILMEMBER CADEN SO, ON NUMBER THREE, I WAS WONDERING IF WE COULD TAKE OUT DOWNTOWN AND JUST PUT OFFICE TO HOUSING CONVERSION BECAUSE ALONG MY STEMMONS AREA I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF BUILDINGS THAT THAT PROCESS IS TAKING PLACE.

AND SO, THAT WOULD MAYBE EXPAND SOME OF THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY.

LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.

YES.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER ROTH. OKAY. I'M GOING TO SPEAK ON ITEM FIVE AS WELL, THE DATA CENTERS AND ONE THAT'S THAT I REALLY WANT TO EXPLORE. AND I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO YOU OFFLINE ON THIS ONE. AND THAT'S THE WHEN THERE'S TRANSACTIONS THAT HAPPEN ONLINE AND WHERE DOES THAT SALES TAX GO? DOES IT GO WHERE SOMEONE CLICKED IT AT HOME. DOES IT GO WHERE THE WAREHOUSE IS OR DOES IT GO WHERE THE DATA CENTER TRANSMITTED THAT FIRST SIGNAL OF A PURCHASE? THERE'S A BIG OPPORTUNITY FOR DALLAS TO BE ABLE TO CAPTURE NEW SALES TAX. AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO EXPLORE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION, I WILL SHARE WITH YOU THAT AS THIS PROCESS CONTINUES IN THE INTERIM, THERE ARE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES TO GET DIRECTLY FROM THOSE STATE AGENCIES AND TO HAVE THAT OVERSIGHT TO GET THAT ADDRESSED BY OUR DELEGATION MEMBERS.

SO, WE CAN CERTAINLY BE PROACTIVE

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THANK YOU. AND WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP? DO WE HAVE A, A TENTATIVE MEETING FOR LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS? YES. AND SO, WE DO HAVE AN ATTENTIVE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS PER CHAIR MENDELSOHN. WE ARE CERTAINLY LOOKING AT MIDDLE OF SEPTEMBER. AND SO, THIS WOULD THEN GO MOVE FORWARD TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE? YES. OKAY.

DO YOU NEED ANY FURTHER DIRECTION FROM THE COMMITTEE OTHER THAN PASSING OUT THE ADDITIONAL ADDITIONS OF REMOVING DOWNTOWN OFFICE TO JUST SAY RELATED TO OFFICE TO HOUSING CONVERSIONS, PER THE RECOMMENDATION AND ALSO THE RECOMMENDATION IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO INCORPORATE, MONITOR AND EVALUATE ALL LEGISLATION RELATED TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVES? I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A ISSUE WITH REMOVING DOWNTOWN. I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE WAS A REASON WHY IT READ THAT WAY.

SO, THIS WAS ACTUALLY A COUNCIL RECOMMENDATION. AND SO, WE LIKE TO TRADE, WE LIKE TO BE TRANSPARENT AND DEFINITELY FORTHCOMING TO MAKING SURE THAT IT READS EXACTLY AS THE COUNCIL MEMBER HAD PRESENTED IT. AND SO, THAT WAS THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED. AND WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE THAT ALONG TO THEM AS WELL.

OKAY. IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO REMOVING DOWNTOWN? OKAY.

AND THEN WHAT ABOUT ADDING DATA CENTERS? WE'RE ALL GOOD.

YES, BUT IN PRIOR.

(INAUDIBLE) LET'S WORK THROUGH THAT WORDING. I KNOW THAT WE'LL STILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY AT LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS. SO, LET'S GATHER THAT AND MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, NOW WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM F, FARMERS MARKET.

THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING PATIENT WITH US.

GOOD AFTERNOON. BACK AGAIN.

THIS IS AN INFORMATIONAL UPDATE. IN 2023. I WON'T GO THROUGH THE FULL MEMO, BUT IN 2023, PAID PARKING WAS IMPLEMENTED IN THE CITY OWNED PORTION OF THE FARMERS MARKET PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE. 300 SPACES ARE THERE, BOTH AT THE BASEMENT LEVEL ON THE FIRST FLOOR. THIS COMMITTEE, UNDER THE MAINTENANCE AND MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE MMA, THAT THE CITY HAS HAD IN PLACE BETWEEN THE FARMERS MARKET MANAGER AND THE CITY SINCE 2017, THIS BODY HAS THE, HAS THE AUTHORITY TO IMPLEMENT PAID PARKING. AND SO, IT DID SO, IN 2023. AND SO, THE REST OF THE MEMO JUST SUMMARIZES THE HISTORY OF THE PARKING REVENUES THAT HAVE BEEN REALIZED IN 2024, 2025, 2026.

BOTH THE CITY SHARE AND THE MANAGER SHARE PAGE THREE. THE MEMO HIGHLIGHTS THE AVERAGE MONTHLY PARKING REVENUES AND THEN ALSO A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE OF THE FARMERS MARKET ITSELF SINCE PAID PARKING WAS IMPLEMENTED, AS WELL AS VISITOR DATA SINCE PAID PARKING WAS IMPLEMENTED.

ALL THINGS ARE POINTING POSITIVELY. WE DON'T SEE ANY NEED TO CHANGE THE HOURS, THE COST PER HOUR, ANY OF THE FEE STRUCTURE THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE THIS COMMITTEE IN 2023.

THANK YOU. AND SO, IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECT, WE INITIATED THIS TO GET TURNOVER, BUT ALSO I KNOW THAT PEOPLE WERE PARKING THERE ALL DAY AND GOING TO NEARBY OTHER EMPLOYERS OR APARTMENTS. HAVE WE SOLVED THAT? DO WE SEE A. AND MAYBE THE, THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE MARKET WHEN WE CAN INVITE THEM DOWN. BUT I THINK YEAH, THE, THE PROBLEM THAT WE WERE TRYING TO SOLVE FOR WAS NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF LONG TERM RESIDENT LONG TERM PARKING BY RESIDENTS IN THE AREA AND WORKERS IN THE AREA WHO WERE PARKING IN THE SPACES THAT WERE INTENDED FOR RETAIL PATRONS.

AND SO, THE, THIS HAS BEEN A USEFUL MANAGEMENT TURNOVER TOOL. AND SO, THIS IS THE GROUP WITH SPECTRUM STRATEGIES, THE MANAGER OF THE FARMERS MARKET. AND THEY CAN RESPOND IN ANY WAY YOU WANT.

HI, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US. I'M EMILY VALENTINO WITH THE DALLAS FARMERS MARKET. SO, WE SUPPORT OVER 200 SMALL BUSINESSES THAT RUN OUT OF THE DALLAS FARMERS MARKET. WE DO WERE, AS THE MEMO STATES, WE WERE HAVING A BIG PROBLEM.

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SO, ALL OF OUR VISITOR PARKING WAS BEING TAKEN UP BY THE RESIDENTIAL SERVICE SURROUNDING THE FARMERS MARKET. AND THEN AS DALLAS MORNING NEWS MOVED DOWN ON HARWOOD, WE WERE SEEING THEIR EMPLOYEES PARKING IN THE FREE GARAGE INSTEAD OF PAYING. YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE STREET WE SAW UBER DRIVERS, PEOPLE WOULD BE GOING TO AT&T STADIUM AND OTHER VENUES TO, AND SO, THEY WOULD PARK FOR FREE IN THE FARMER'S MARKET GARAGE AND THEIR UBER WOULD PICK THEM UP AND, AND TAKE THEM TO THE OTHER VENUES. SO, THIS HAS HELPED TREMENDOUSLY WITH, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING THE VISITORS THAT ARE COMING TO THE FARMERS MARKET TO PARK IN THE GARAGE SHOP AND THEN TURNOVER AND, AND THE PEOPLE THAT WERE LONG TERM PARKING ARE NO LONGER PARKING THERE.

SO, THANK YOU FOR IMPROVING IT.

VICE CHAIR RIDLEY.

WELL, I WOULD JUST OBSERVE THE SIGNIFICANT STATISTIC HERE, HERE ON PAGE THREE, THAT THE VISITORS PER MONTH HAS INCREASED SINCE YOU MADE THIS CHANGE TO A RECORD TOTAL OF 65,000.

WHICH INDICATES TO ME THAT PEOPLE ARE STAYING A SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME AND TURNING OVER THOSE SPACES.

CORRECT.

FOR RETAIL GUESTS, WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT, COUNCILMAN BUR.

SO, I KIND OF REMEMBER WHEN WE MADE THIS CHANGE.

BUT REMIND ME, I GUESS WHICH LOTS DO ARE PAID NOW AND IF THERE'S SOME THAT ARE, I GUESS LIKE 15 MINUTES FREE, THAT TYPE OF THING.

SURE. SO, THE ONE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE MAIN GARAGE THAT'S AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HARVEST LOSS. AND THEN THERE'S FREE STREET PARKING.

THAT IS CITY OWNED STREET PARKING. I'M ASSUMING ONE DAY IT'LL TURN INTO METERS. I DON'T KNOW.

SO, THERE IS FREE STREET PARKING ALL AROUND THE FARMERS MARKET. AND THEN THERE'S ONE LOT THAT IS BETWEEN, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE FARMER'S MARKET, BETWEEN THE MARKET BUILDING AND HURTADO BARBECUE, IT'S A VERY SMALL LOT THAT IS PAID PARKING.

AFTER 15 MINUTES IT'S PAID PARKING, BUT THAT'S A PRIVATELY HELD LOT.

AND THE MAIN GARAGE IS.

THERE'S NOT ANY FREE PARKING.

IT'S JUST TWO HOURS FREE.

TWO HOURS FREE.

AND OUR AVERAGE STAY IS 64 MINUTES.

OKAY, SO, YOU CAN SAY DOUBLE THE TIME.

THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW BECAUSE I USED TO GO ALL THE TIME WHEN I WAS AN EMPLOYEE AND I REMEMBER WHEN IT CHANGED, I WAS LIKE, WHERE DO I PARK NOW? SO, I DON'T ALWAYS GO OVER THERE BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HAVE TO PAY IF I WAS GOING FOR LUNCH. SO, THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT.

TWO HOURS FREE. WE WOULD LOVE.

WE. WE LOVE CITY EMPLOYEES. WE GET A LOT OF THEM FOR LUNCH.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

COUNCILMEMBER ROTH. SO, HOW OFTEN DO WE EVALUATE ANY RATE INCREASES AND HOW. HOW IS THAT MADE? THIS IS THE PROCESS. AND SO, BECAUSE IT'S. THE 300 SPACES ARE PUBLICLY OWNED, THIS BODY COULD ASK FOR AN ANNUAL UPDATE. THE REASON WHY THE TWO YEARS HAS GONE, COME AND GONE IS BECAUSE THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY MANDATED BY THIS BODY IN 2023.

CAN WE COME IN? I THINK WE HAVE TO REQUEST.

YEAH.

OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THAT HAS TO BRING IT TO YOU FOR A RANGE.

SO. RIGHT.

THE MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT DOES SAY THAT ANY CHANGES IN A FEE STRUCTURE WOULD HAVE TO BE REQUESTED BY THE MANAGER. BUT THIS BODY COULD ALSO REQUEST UPDATES.

THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY THAT YOU COULDN'T.

RIGHT.

BUT THERE'S NOT A FEE A STRUCTURE PROPOSAL TODAY.

THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE FARMERS MARKET ML? SO, I'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CONCERN OR PEOPLE WHO HAVE CONCERNS WHERE THEY GO IN AND SAY FOR UNDER TWO HOURS AND. BUT THEY'RE STILL GETTING CHARGED THROUGH THE AUTOMATIC SYSTEM WHEN THEY HAVE A CREDIT CARD ON FILE. CAN YOU. THAT SHOULDN'T BE HAPPENING.

CORRECT, SURE.

SO, ANYTIME THAT HAPPENS, I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE ANYBODY THAT HAS THAT CONCERN, JUST HAVE THEM EMAIL INTO THE FARMER'S MARKET AND THEN WE HELP FACILITATE. THAT'S FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. IT'S THE METROPOLIS SYSTEM THAT'S USED IN THOUSANDS OF GARAGES ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.

THERE'S, I THINK THE CITY ACTUALLY NOW CONTRACTS WITH METROPOLIS AS WELL, SO, TO RUN MULTIPLE GARAGES. SO, IF THAT HAPPENS, THAT'S JUST A

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BUT YEAH, IF YOU GET ANY, SEND THEM MY WAY.

PERFECT.

ALL RIGHT, YOU GUYS ARE EXCUSED. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

OKAY, JUST IN TIME. WE ARE BACK ON ITEM B. LAST ITEM, GUYS.

AND ANDREA, LET'S JUST HAVE A SUPER, SUPER QUICK UPDATE IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES AND THEN WE'LL TAKE QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU SO, MUCH, CHAIR. AS WE SAID LAST TIME WHEN WE CAME IN FRONT OF YOU IN APRIL, WE ARE NOW PROVIDING YOU THE FIRST OF THE QUARTERLY UPDATES OR MEMOS ON THE STATUS OF ALL THE AUTHORIZED HEARINGS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. WORKING. THE FIRST, IF YOU LOOK IN YOUR PACKET, THE FIRST FOUR OR FIVE PAGES IS THE MEMO. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, I'M HERE. WE'RE PROPOSING TO BRING THE NEXT ONE OR TO SEND IT TO YOU IN DECEMBER AND THEN EVERY QUARTER AFTER THAT, MARCH, JUNE, SEPTEMBER. SO, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO START SENDING AS A BRIEFING.

AND THEN THE SECOND PORTION OF OF THE PACKET THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS A PRESENTATION OF THE CHANGES TO THE PROCESS. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION BECAUSE IT'S LONG AND WE'RE AT THE END. BUT IF YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH IT AND YOU EITHER WANT TO ASK ME QUESTIONS, I WOULD LIKE THE COMMITTEE'S INPUT OR DIRECTIONS OR THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN ON CHANGING THE PROCESS FOR AUTHORIZED HEARING HEARINGS.

TWO MAIN CHANGES IN THE PROCESS IS THAT COUNCIL WOULD BE THE AUTHORIZING BODY AND CPC WOULD RECOMMEND YOUR THIS BODY'S INTENT TO LET US EXPLORE THAT. AND THE SECOND ONE TO HAVE A SUNSET PERIOD TO ALWAYS BRING IN FRONT OF YOU AUTHORIZED HEARINGS IF THEY LINGERED. SO, TO KEEP US ON OUR TOES AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MOVING THEM. THERE IS A LOT MORE INFORMATION IN THE PRESENTATION. AGAIN I CAN GO THROUGH IT, I CAN COME BACK.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO TO QUESTIONS IN THE INTEREST OF TIME. I'M GOING TO START WITH COUNCILMEMBER BLAIR.

DID I HEAR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH CHAIR AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I'M LOOKING ON PAGE SIX OF YOUR PRESENTATION WHERE IT SAYS THAT RIGHT NOW CURRENTLY COUNSEL CAN DO A FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO OR CPC CAN THROW A THREE SIGNATURE MEMO TO GET THINGS TO AUTHORIZE HEARING OR THROUGH A PROCESS. AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT YOU'RE REMOVING COUNCIL'S ABILITY TO DO A FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO AND IT WOULD BE TAKE A THREE SIGNATURE MEMO FROM CPC AND COUNSEL WITH THEN COME BACK AND APPROVE IT.

WHAT WE'RE SAYING AGAIN BASED ON EARLIER DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAVE TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS AND BASED ON THE BUDGETARY AND STAFFING IMPLICATIONS THAT THIS AUTHORIZED HEARING HAVE FOR US AS WELL AS A WIDER VIEW THAT NEEDS TO BE AT THE DIRECTION OF COUNCIL, WE ARE SAYING THAT ONLY COUNSEL WOULD BE THE AUTHORIZING BODY IN CP. CPC CAN BE A RECOMMENDATION BODY. THEY STILL CAN RECOMMEND TO YOU TO AUTHORIZE A HEARING IN AN AREA.

BUT THE ULTIMATE DECISION TO AUTHORIZE A HEARING WOULD LIE WITH CITY COUNCIL.

BUT WHAT I'M READING HERE IS SAN NEW INITIAL MEETING WITH COUNCIL CONFIRMED COMPLIANCE WITH ELIGIBILITY BOUNDARIES REVIEW WITH GIS TEAM AND THAT THE SUNSETTING PIECE WOULD BE COUNCIL WOULD BE A DOING A FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO OR CPC WOULD BE DOING AND WOULD BE DOING A THREE SIGNATURE MEMO TO RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL.

YES.

SO, I'M SEEING ALL OF THOSE STEPS BEING REMOVED FROM THE PROCESS.

NO, THOSE ARE ADDITION TO THE PROCESS. SO, WHAT YOU SEE IN IN GREEN IS AN ADDITION TO THE PROCESS.

SO, OKAY, SO, COUNCILMEMBER BLAIR, WHAT PAGE ARE WE. THIS

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WHICH TO ME IT LOOKS LIKE THIS WOULD BE A RECOMMEND.

SO, YOU SAYING THE GRAY PORTION.

BUT SEE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT STEP, WHEN YOU GO DOWN TO THE GRAY GREEN IT'S SAYING IT'S SUNSETTING. SO, ANYTHING TO ME THAT SAYS SUNSETTING IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THE GRAY IS ALL SUNSETTED STEPS.

NO, NO COUNCILWOMAN, THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. ANYTHING THAT'S IN GRAY WILL STAY. ANYTHING THAT'S IN GREEN WOULD BE AN ADDITION.

SO, FOR THE AUTHORIZATION, EITHER COUNCIL CAN AUTHORIZE BY A FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO AND YOU WILL SEE THAT SAYS OR CPC BIO THREE SIGNATURE MEMO CAN RECOMMEND TO COUNSEL THE SUNSETTING IS A SUNSETTING OF OPEN AUTHORIZED HEARINGS THAT WE DIDN'T TAKE ANY ACTION WE PROPOSED WITHIN TWO YEARS.

SO, WE'RE SAYING IT'S NOT SUNSETTING, IT'S ACTUALLY BRINGING IT IN FRONT OF COUNCIL. IF WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ON AN AUTHORIZED HEARING, WE SAID TWO YEARS. COUNCIL IS OPEN TO TELL US MORE FREQUENT THAN THAT. IF WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ON AN AUTHORIZED HEARING FOR TWO YEARS, WE'RE COMING BACK IN FRONT OF COUNCIL FOR RECONSIDERATION AND COUNSEL CAN DECIDE TO YOU CONTINUE IT OR WE DEAUTHORIZE.

THAT'S THE SUN SETTING. IT'S A COMPLETELY SEPARATE CHANGE.

SO, LET ME MAKE SURE THAT I'M SAYING IT, I'M REPEATING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO AND I WOULD MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THERE IS MORE CLARIFICATION GIVEN TO PAGE SIX. SO, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MEMO IN THE FRONT WHERE YOU TALK ABOUT THE CASES THAT ARE PENDING, YOU SAID THERE ARE SIX PENDING CASES. THERE ARE THREE CASES THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING PROCESSED FOR DEAUTHORIZATION THAT WOULD.

BUT WHEN YOU GO BACK AND YOU READ MORE INTO THE MEMO, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE'S ONE THAT, THERE'S TWO THAT ARE BEING DEAUTHORIZED AND REAUTHORIZED WITH NEW BOUNDARIES, WHICH I KNOW ABOUT. BUT THEN THAT MEANS THERE WOULD BE ONE THAT, IF I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY, THERE MAY BE ONE THAT IS BEING DEAUTHORIZED COMPLETELY. AND BUT SO, WHEN, AND THEN WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR PRESENTATION ON PAGE SIX, YOU'RE SAYING IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONAL AUTHORIZED HEARINGS, FROM WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW, IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL OLD AUTHORIZED HEARINGS THAT ARE OLDER THAN 2 YEARS OLD, YOU WOULD NEED THEM TO, YOU WOULD NEED COUNSEL, YOU WOULD NEED THE FULL BODY OF COUNSEL TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE CASES. SO, DO YOU HAVE A LIST OF ANY CASES THAT ARE OVER TWO YEARS OLD THAT IS NOT IN, NOT IN THE NOTE THAT'S UP FRONT.

SO, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION COUNCILWOMAN. THERE ARE TWO PARTS OF THE PRESENTATION. THE MEMO THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU REFERS TO THE OPEN AUTHORIZED HEARINGS. WE WILL CONTINUE WITH THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. THIS DON'T HAVE A SUNSET IN CLAUSE. NO NOTHING. WE WILL WORK ON THEM. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE. THE POWERPOINT THAT IS TITLED CHANGES OR AUTHORIZED HEARING PROCESS IMPROVEMENT FOLLOW UP INCLUDES IDEAS BASED ON EARLIER CONVERSATIONS FOR NEW AUTHORITIES HEARING.

WE WANT TO IMPROVE THE PROCESS AND WE WANT TO BEEF IT UP A LITTLE BIT.

SO, THIS SUNSET PERIOD WILL APPLY TO NEW AUTHORIZED HEARINGS THAT WOULD BE AUTHORIZED BASED ON THIS NEW PROCESS. IT WILL NOT INVOLVE THE ONES THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON.

OKAY, THEN I UNDERSTAND, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL SAFE. OKAY. SO, ANY CASE THAT IS ALREADY IN PROCESS IS IN PROCESS. IT IS WHERE IT IS.

YOU'RE DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

THAT'S GOOD AND THAT'S FINE AND DANDY. ANY NEW CASES BASED ON THIS PRESENTATION THAT YOU HAVE, THESE ARE THE NEW STEPS THAT YOU WOULD GO THROUGH ON PAGE SIX IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU FOLLOW THE NEW PROCESS, ANY NEW AUTHORIZED HEARINGS THAT COME IN, THEY CAN STILL BE INITIATED BY CITY COUNCIL. THEY CAN STILL BE INITIATED BY.

BY COMMITTEE? NO, JUST ONLY BY CITY COUNCIL. SO, OUR COMMISSIONERS WOULD THEN ALL HAVE TO COME TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER AND SAY I WANT TO AUTHORIZE HEARING TO DO X,

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INSTEAD OF YOU HAVING ZONING AUTHORIZED HEARINGS REQUESTS FOR SIX YEARS AND EIGHT YEARS.

THAT IS CORRECT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, ANDREA, DO WE NEED A RECOMMENDATION TODAY? WHATEVER THE BODY WANTS. I WOULD. IDEALLY ALL OF THESE CHANGES WILL REQUIRE EITHER A CODE AMENDMENT OR CHANGES TO THE CITY PLAN, COMMISSION RULES OR PROCEDURES.

SO, THE CHANGES I AM PLANNING TO BRIEF CPC SO, THEY KNOW WE WILL WORK ON SOME CHANGES AND WE WILL START WORKING ON THEM. I WOULD LIKE. OR IF THE BODY DOESN'T WISH. SO, THAT'S FINE TOO. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE TO GET A LITTLE BIT THUMBS UP GUIDANCE OR SOMETHING. THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE IMMEDIATELY CHANGE IN THE PROCESS BECAUSE WHO AUTHORIZES THE CHANGE? THE AUTHORIZED HEARING. SORRY FOR REPETITION OF WORDS. NEEDS TO BE WRITTEN IN THE CODE. SO, THAT WOULD BE A CODE CHANGE.

THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO GO NEXT TO OUR OTHER FORMER CPC COMMISSIONER BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY WELL VERSED IN THIS AREA. VICE CHAIR RIDLEY.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SO, JUST ONE QUESTION, ANDREA, RELATING TO THE CHART ON PAGE SIX. SO, THE IDEA IS TO INITIATE THIS REFORM ABOUT WHO CAN AUTHORIZE A HEARING. I UNDERSTAND. THE OBJECTIVE IS TO MAKE CITY COUNCIL THE ONLY BODY THAT CAN DO THAT.

BUT WHERE YOU INSERT UNDER ITEM FOUR IN THE BOX THAT CPC A THREE SIGNATURE MEMO CAN BE USED TO RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL. I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S NECESSARY SINCE ANY INDIVIDUAL CPC MEMBER CAN APPEAL TO THEIR COUNCILMEMBER TO DO THAT.

THANK YOU. POINT TAKEN.

SURE.

THAT IS GREAT.

SO, WOULD YOU STILL MAKE THIS A FORMAL PROCESS AT CPC? AND THERE MAY BE SOME VALUE IN THAT, IN THAT THE BODY OF CPC OR AT LEAST I GUESS IT WOULD JUST TAKE THREE MEMBERS WOULD HAVE TO AGREE THAT THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT STEP TO TAKE SO, THAT IT WOULD HAVE MORE IMPACT THAN JUST AN INDIVIDUAL PLAN COMMISSIONER APPEALING TO THEIR COUNCILMEMBER. HAVE YOU THOUGHT THROUGH THAT? YES, WE WERE THINKING THAT CITY PLAN COMMISSION, THEY ARE THE RECOMMENDING ZONING BODY AND OBVIOUSLY PLANNING BODY.

SO, MAYBE CITY COUNCIL WANTS CITY PLAN COMMISSION TO WEIGH IN TO THE SCOPE OF THE AUTHORIZED HEARING OR TO JUST PLANNING AND ZONING ANGLES. OBVIOUSLY IF WE WANT TO MOVE THE AUTHORIZATION TO CITY COUNCIL, AS I SAID, CITY COUNCIL HAS A OF LOT LITTLE BIT MORE PURVIEW OVER BUDGET AND OTHER THINGS. SO, WE WANTED TO.

THAT'S ONE OF THE INPUT THAT I WAS HOPING TO GET FROM COUNCIL COMMITTEE TODAY TO SEE. YES, CITY PLAN COMMISSION CAN BE A RECOMMENDATION EVEN FOR THE AUTHORIZATION BECAUSE A CONVERSATION OF THE ENTIRE BODY OF CPC MAY BE USEFUL.

YES.

AND ALSO, I ADDED IN THERE IN THE INITIATION PORTION OF AUTHORIZED HEARINGS USUALLY I THINK IS THE ONE THAT WE NEED TO BEEF UP. WE NEED TO CREATE A BETTER SCOPE FOR THESE AUTHORIZED HEARINGS.

SOMETIMES WE ARE IN FRONT OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE LANGUAGE IS SO, WIDE THAT WE HAVE TO DO A PLANNING AND ZONING EXERCISE IN THE SAME TIME. SO, IN ORDER TO HAVE A VERY CLEAR WHY AND WHAT WE WERE THINKING THAT THE INITIATION WOULD BE WITH COUNCIL OFFICE, WITH THE CITY PLAN COMMISSIONER COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO WITH STAFF. AND WHEN WE COME IN FRONT OF YOU TO ASK YOU TO AUTHORIZE, BECAUSE YOU ASKED US TO COME, WE CAN COME WITH A SCOPE ALREADY WRITTEN.

NOT JUST THE AUTHORIZATION MEMO, BUT MAYBE A STAFF REPORT THAT CONTAINS THE SCOPE, THE BOUNDARIES. IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE WORKED IN THE BEGINNING, SO, THEN WE CAN SPEED IT UP. WHEN WE WORK, AS I SAID, SOMETIMES WE GO IN FRONT OF THE COMMUNITY AND WE HAVE TO LIKE WALK BACK A LITTLE BIT TO SEE WHY ARE WE HERE.

YEAH, I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT

[03:00:01]

THANK YOU FOR THAT. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION SAYING NONE? NO, I'VE GOT DISCUSSION.

OKAY. OKAY. I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T SEE.

I'M SORRY.

OKAY.

I'M REAL UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS AND I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH US, THE WAY WE'RE HANDLING THIS.

YOU PROVIDE US WITH A PROPOSAL TO AMEND STUFF, AND MAYBE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER THIS. AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING AUTHORIZATIONS FOR LAND USE AND FOR MAKING ZONING CHANGES, JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT EFFICIENT OR IT'S GOING TO COST OR IS GOING TO REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE STAFF TIME, THIS IS BIG. THIS IS A BIG DEAL TO ME. I AM NOT WANTING TO RELINQUISH OUR ABILITY TO MAKE DECISIONS HERE AND TO LIMIT IT TO DO THIS. I THINK THAT I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION HERE. I DON'T THINK YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE IT. IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT. BUT YOU MADE A MEMO BRIEFING HERE AND I DIDN'T.

NOBODY'S. YOU HAVEN'T EXPLAINED IT TO ME. WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT NOW IN 10 MINUTES BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO HOME. THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT WAY TO DO THIS. AND I'M NOT SURE WHEN IS THIS GOING TO COME UP WITH. THIS IS WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

YOU'RE GOING TO PROVIDE AN ORDINANCE CHANGE, AND THEN IT'S GOING TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO EVEN HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT IT. AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS. I REALLY AM. AND I DON'T LIKE THIS. AND I THINK THAT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT, IMPORTANT THING. AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOMEONE HAS THEIR MIC ON VIRTUALLY.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE. THAT WE DON'T MOVE THIS FORWARD UNTIL WE'VE HAD SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. BRIEFING. AND IF IT'S MY FAULT THAT I DIDN'T READ THIS CLOSE ENOUGH AFTER TWO DAYS AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT, I DON'T CARE. I WANT TO KNOW IT MORE. AND I THINK MY COLLEAGUES SHOULD KNOW IT MORE, TOO.

SO, THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER ROTH. AND SO, WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ACTION TODAY, BUT I DO SEE OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER COME TO THE TABLE AND PLEASE CHIME IN HERE IN A SECOND. BUT, ANDREA, IF YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS OF HOW WE GOT HERE. GUYS, SOMEONE HAS THEIR MIC ON VIRTUALLY. THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME WE WERE HEARING THIS TODAY WE HAVE HAD IT A NUMBER OF TIMES. BUT ALSO TALK ABOUT WHY WE'RE HERE. WE'RE TRYING TO STREAMLINE THINGS, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THINGS ARE MOVING MORE EFFICIENTLY. NOW. WE ABSOLUTELY WANT TO HAVE GUIDANCE FROM OUR COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE COMMUNITY MEMBERS KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES IN THEIR AREA. MY UNDERSTANDING IS FOR ANY AUTHORIZED HEARING, EVERYBODY IN THAT ZONE IS NOTIFIED BY MAIL THAT THERE'S A CHANGE COMING. BUT ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER BENTLEY, GO AHEAD.

RIGHT. NOT ONLY NOTIFIED BY MAIL, WE HAVE A MINIMUM OF TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS, PROBABLY MANY, MANY MORE THAN THAT ON THESE.

SO, ESSENTIALLY IT'S THE CITY SAYING WE WANT TO REZONE A PIECE OF PROPERTY. IT'S AN EXPENSIVE UNDERTAKING, IT'S A LABORIOUS UNDER UNDERTAKING FOR STAFF.

AND NOTHING'S CHANGING ON THE COUNCIL'S APPROVAL RIGHTS RIGHT NOW WITHOUT COUNCIL APPROVING IT.

THE CPC CAN ALSO INITIATE THIS PROCESS, WHICH TAKES AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF STAFF TIME AND IN SOME CASES AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF POSTAGE AND MAILING AND COMMUNITY MEETING TIME, ET CETERA. SO, THE SUGGESTION, WHICH HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT A FEW TIMES HERE AT THIS COMMITTEE, WOULD BE TO MAKE IT A COUNCIL PREROGATIVE IF WE WANT TO LAUNCH THAT EFFORT, RATHER THAN HAVING BOTH THE COUNCIL AND THE CPC INDEPENDENTLY GIVING STAFF THAT SORT OF DIRECTION. AND SO, NO CHANGE TO THE COUNCIL APPROVAL RIGHTS AT ALL ARE BEING PROPOSED. AND THE COMMITTEE'S GIVEN A NUMBER OF OTHER PROCESS SUGGESTIONS, ALL OF WHICH HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED.

IF YOU GO NOW TO. IF YOU GOOGLE DALLAS AUTHORIZED HEARINGS, THERE'S A FULL WEBSITE. EVERY SINGLE AUTHORIZED HEARING HAS ITS OWN WEB PAGE WHERE WE POST ALL OF THE MEETINGS, HOW PEOPLE CAN STAY INFORMED, WHAT'S GOING ON, WHEN'S THE NEXT THING COMING UP. SO, WE'VE REALLY WORKED TO INCREASE THE TRANSPARENCY.

WE ALL USED TO HAVE A FAIRLY SIZABLE BACKLOG OF AUTHORIZED HEARINGS. THERE IS NO BACKLOG AT THIS POINT.

EVERY AUTHORIZED HEARING IS IN PROCESS IN SOME WAY OR ANOTHER, SOME BEING DEAUTHORIZED OR COMBINED OR MOVED FORWARD IN A DIFFERENT WAY. SO, IT IS A COMPLICATED TOPIC.

BUT WE'VE BEEN HERE A FEW TIMES ABOUT THIS. NOTHING'S CHANGING

[03:05:02]

SO, YOU KNOW, I'M WILLING TO NOT TAKE ANY ACTION TODAY AND GIVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO ANDREA TO GO BACK TO THE COMMITTEE AND JUST WALK US THROUGH BECAUSE, I MEAN, I KNOW I STILL HAVE QUESTIONS ON EXACTLY WHAT DOES IT, HOW DO WE INITIATE IT? DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE PROVIDE A MAP? DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE PROVIDE. THESE ARE THE CHANGES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IMPLEMENTED. BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY NEED THOSE QUESTIONS ADDRESSED TODAY. I JUST NEED THAT GUIDANCE BECAUSE I AM GOING TO HAVE A AUTHORIZED HEARING COMING THROUGH HERE SOON. BUT WITH THAT, I'LL GO BACK TO COUNCILMEMBER ROTH.

LISTEN, MY PASSION IS BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS ALL THE PROCESS AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT RELINQUISHING OUR ABILITY TO HAVE CPC THAT HAS A UNIQUE ABILITY TO IDENTIFY THEY'RE INVOLVED IN THESE CASES. WE ARE NOT IDENTIFY. THEY ARE INVOLVED IN KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON IN AREAS OF TOWN SO, THAT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO INITIATE SOME OF THESE THINGS. THE SECOND THING IS MAYBE WE COULD TWEAK THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT COULD DO IT.

IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S NOT THROWING THEM OUT, BUT IT'S BASICALLY. LET'S LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE CRITICALLY. THE OTHER THING IS THIS IS, THIS REALLY DEALS WITH LARGE ZONING CASES. THIS IS BIG PROPERTIES. VALLEY VIEW IS ONE OF THE, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TALKING. I DON'T WANT A BIG PROJECT LIKE THAT OR ANY BIG PROJECT TO BE SUNSETTED BECAUSE SOMEBODY DIDN'T DO IT. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN GET THAT PROCESS IN THE SITUATION.

IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S STILL A LOT. THIS IS A REAL IMPORTANT, IMPORTANT PROCESS FOR DEVELOPMENTAL STUFF. AND IF IT'S BEING INITIATED BY STAFF, WITH THE ENCOURAGEMENT BEING, BEING ADVISED OR NOT INITIATED SPECIFICALLY, BUT BEING ADVISED BY STAFF TO HELP THE, THE CPC GET THINGS ON THE BOOKS OR TO HELP US GET IT ON THE BOOKS. WE, I THINK WE GOT TO BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE START TWEAKING STUFF AND APPROVING CHANGES TO THIS STUFF. SO, LOOK, I WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU ALLOW US TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS AS A BODY BEFORE WE START APPROVING YOU ALL TO START MAKING NEW ORDINANCES.

GIVE US A LITTLE BIT EDUCATION.

IS THERE A BIG RUSH TO DO THIS RIGHT NOW? I WOULD SAY, AND THANK YOU SO, MUCH FOR THAT. AS LONG AS WE HAVE THIS 18 OPEN AUTHORIZED HEARINGS THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH. NO, WE'RE NOT IN A RUSH. HOWEVER, WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU AND CITY PLAN COMMISSION NOT TO AUTHORIZE NEW ONES TO ALLOW US TO GO THROUGH THE ONES WE HAVE AND THEN STREAMLINE THE PROCESS SO, WE DO IT BETTER AND WE ARE NOT IN THE SAME SPOT.

SO, TO CHAIR'S POINT, YES, IF YOU KNOW YOU HAVE SOME AUTHORIZED HEARINGS COMING, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S THE RUSH.

SO, THE RUSH COMES FROM YOU, NOT FROM US. WE HAVE 18 THAT WE ARE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW AND WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING THEM IN FRONT OF YOU AND FINISH THOSE FIRST.

HOWEVER, EXPERIENCE SHOWED US THAT THE PROCESS NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN IT SAYS THE PENDING CASES? THE EIGHT PENDING CASES HAVE NOT YET KICKED OFF, SO, WE HAVE THE FIRST. BASICALLY EVERY CASE THAT WE HAVE OUT OF THOSE 18, ALL OF THEM HAVE PLANNERS ASSIGNED, PLANNERS THAT ARE DOING RESEARCH. THE PORTION AFTER THEY HAVE A PLANNER ASSIGNED.

THE PLANNER NEEDS TO DO A LOT OF RESEARCH TO FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING ON, WHAT WAS THE WHY, WHAT COULD BE CHANGED. AND THEN WE REACHED OUT TO COUNCIL OFFICE AND THEN WE STRATEGIZE FOR THE FIRST COMMUNITY MEETING. BUT WE NEED TO DO OUR HOMEWORK FIRST.

THOSE EIGHT THAT ARE STILL PENDING ARE THE ONES THAT ARE IN RESEARCH WITH STAFF. YES, THERE IS 1 FOR PD887 AND WE PLAN TO REACH OUT TO YOUR OFFICE, HOWEVER WE WILL IN THE NEAR FUTURE. WE HAVE OUT OF THOSE EIGHT, I THINK THREE OR FOUR THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH IT TO FIND OUT TO CONTINUE THE RESEARCH AND WE STILL HAVE YET TO REACH OUT TO YOUR OFFICE.

OKAY, I WOULD LIKE

[03:10:01]

LOOK, THIS IS IMPORTANT STUFF, FOLKS AND I THINK IF THERE'S NO RUSH, IF THERE'S NO NEED TO GO TO. THERE'S NO PRESSURE TO DO IT TO SAVE A FEW DOLLARS ON MAILING. THAT'S NOT, NOT A JUSTIFICATION FOR CHANGING A PROCEDURE.

ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR NOT PUSHING THIS FORWARD RIGHT NOW.

I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE STAFF ENGAGE WITH US A LITTLE BIT MORE PERSONALLY AND I REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE AND WHAT THE IMPACT OF THIS IS.

NOTED.

ANDREA, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT NUMBER OF AUTHORIZED HEARINGS THAT WERE INITIATED THROUGH CPC AND COUNCILMEMBERS WERE NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH OR. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THAT'S BEEN AN ISSUE WHERE CPC WILL THINK SOMETHING IS A PRIORITY OR THEY WILL INITIATE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT IN ALIGNMENT WITH THEIR COUNCILMEMBER.

WELL, CHAIR, FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW, WE WOULD SAY THAT FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW, ALL OF THEM ARE IN AGREEMENT. LIKE ONCE WE HAVE THEM AUTHORIZED, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START WORKING ON THEM AT SOME POINT OR ANOTHER. THE PROBLEM BECOMES WHEN THEY LINGER TOO MUCH AND WE HAVE NEW COUNCILMEMBERS AND OBVIOUSLY WHEN THEY LINGER TOO MUCH, THE CONDITIONS ON THE GROUND CHANGE. THE SCOPE IS NOT THE SAME. SO, YES, WE HAVE CASES HERE THAT MAY HAVE BEEN IN THE WORKS OR AUTHORIZED EIGHT, SIX YEARS AGO. THERE WAS A THOUGHT THERE. AT SOME POINT IN THE MEANTIME, PROBABLY THE CONDITIONS CHANGE.

THEY ARE NOT EVEN RELEVANT ANYMORE OR AS I SAID, NOT THE SAME COMMISSIONER, NOT THE SAME COUNCIL, COUNCIL AS A BODY. SO, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO PREVENT, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T GET INTO THIS SITUATION AGAIN.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER CADENA.

SO, I'M ACTUALLY GOING THROUGH AN AUTHORIZED HEARING RIGHT NOW AND IT CHANGED FROM WHEN I WORKED WITH COUNCIL COUNCILMEMBER NARVAEZ ON AN AUTHORIZED HEARING. I THINK SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT I HAVE IS I REMEMBER IN THE PAST THERE WERE APPOINTEES TO THE, FROM THE COMMUNITY AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME CHALLENGES IN MIND IS MAKING SURE THAT THE RIGHT COMMUNITY MEMBERS WERE NOTIFIED AND THAT MY OFFICE ALSO RECEIVED THE NOTIFICATION TO PUT IN MY NEWSLETTER LETTER SO, THAT RESIDENTS COULD BE NOTIFIED. AND THEN ALSO JUST EVEN THOUGH I THINK MINE WAS INITIATED BY CPC, I WAS LEFT OFF OF EMAILS AND SO, I DIDN'T ALWAYS KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON.

SO, I THINK MAKING SURE TO INCLUDE EVERYBODY IN THE EMAILS WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH, THROUGH THE AUTHORIZATION WOULD DEFINITELY HELP. I WORK REALLY WELL WITH MY CPC PERSON.

LIKE WE, YOU KNOW, SO, I SEE THAT ON OUR SIDE. I DON'T. I HAVEN'T HAD A PROBLEM PERSONALLY. I THINK SHE AUTHORIZED OUR HEARING. SHE WORKED REALLY CLOSELY WITH COUNCILMEMBER NARVAEZ. WE'VE HAD NO ISSUES WITH THE PRE AUTHORIZATION. I DO, I RECALL US GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS. SO, I WOULD WANT TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE WHAT THIS WOULD FIX AND MAYBE WHAT THE PROBLEMS WERE BECAUSE I THINK OURS WAS PRETTY EASY ONCE WE GOT IT GOING. IT WAS. IT'S MOSTLY BEEN GETTING IT PAT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS GETTING THE PROCESS STARTED AND THEN WORKING THROUGH THOSE COMMUNITY MEETINGS. THAT'S WHERE MAYBE WE'VE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFICULTY.

SO, THANK YOU SO, MUCH, COUNCILMEMBER KADINA. I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT OUT OF THE ENTIRE LIST THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, ONLY ONE WAS AUTHORIZED BY COUNCIL, WHICH IS PD595.

ALL THE OTHERS AND THE ONES THAT I, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, THEY'RE ALWAYS AUTHORIZED BY CITY PLAN COMMISSION.

NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

HOWEVER, AS I SAID, JUST TO GIVE YOU A MAGNITUDE OF THE LOW BUDGETARY IMPLICATION, ALL THE OF THESE, WE ESTIMATED THAT THE COST WOULD BE JUST FOR MAIL OUT, AROUND $150,000.

SO, THAT IS FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW, THIS MONEY THAT NEEDS TO BE ALLOCATED TO US AND ONLY COUNCIL HAS THAT PURVIEW. SO, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY TIME WE HAVE AN AUTHORIZATION LIKE THIS, WE TELL YOU WHAT OUR ESTIMATED PROJECTED COST CAN BE FOR MAIL OUT BECAUSE WE, THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH STOCK STAFF

[03:15:01]

YEAH, BUT, AND THAT COMES BACK TO MAKING SURE THAT THE APPROPRIATE PEOPLE KNOW BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WERE A COUPLE OF TIMES WHEN WE'RE LIKE, OH, DO WE CANCEL? WHAT DO WE DO? BUT THE MAIL OUT HAD ALREADY GONE AND SO, THE RIGHT PEOPLE WEREN'T NOTIFIED OR WE DIDN'T RECEIVE THE FLYER IN TIME TO, YOU KNOW, TO KNOW. SO, I THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT AS WE LOOK AT THIS PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S BAKED IN SOMEHOW AS WELL.

THANK YOU. SO, WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE. CHAIR RIDLEY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO VOTE ON THAT OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO WITHDRAW IT? WELL, SINCE MY MOTION SIMPLY GIVES DIRECTION TO STAFF TO CONTINUE WORKING ON THIS ITEM AND, AND COME BACK TO US AT A FUTURE MEETING FOR AN UPDATE, I WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED WITH IT RATHER THAN LET THIS ISSUE LANGUISH WITHOUT ANY DIRECTION TO STAFF.

OKAY.

COUNCILMEMBER BLAIR, I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH CHAIR RIDLEY BECAUSE THE ONLY THING THE MOTION IS DOING, YOU GUYS, IS TELLING ASKING STAFF TO DO MORE WORK, EVEN IF THAT MEANS TO HAVE A ONE ON ONE WITH EACH AND EACH PERSON ON THIS COMMITTEE SO, THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING ASKED OF THEM AND FOR THEM AND FOR.

EVEN IF WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL UPGRADES LIKE WITH LIKE MS. KADENA HAS THAT, THAT THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS WITH THEM SO, THAT THEY CAN INCORPORATE IT INTO THIS BRING BACK TO US.

ONLY THING I MAY ADD WOULD BE INSTEAD OF A DATE UNCERTAIN, A DATE CERTAIN, SO, THAT INSTEAD OF IT LANGUISHING AND, AND LETTING THEM KNOW THEY HAVE TO COME BACK, LET THEM COME BACK IN OCTOBER IN AN OCTOBER MEETING. THEY'LL NEED TO COME BACK TO US WITH UPDATES, UPGRADES AND ANY CHANGES TO THE PROCESS SO, THAT WE CAN THEN LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO MOVE IT FORWARD TO COUNCIL AND FOR COUNCIL TO ADOPT IT. IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU, CHAIR YES, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

TO SET A DATE SPECIFIC. AS LONG AS ANDREA THINKS THAT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH TIME FOR STAFF TO WORK ON THIS.

ABSOLUTELY. YES.

OKAY.

OKAY, COUNCILMEMBER, THANK YOU.

SO, THERE'S A MOTION.

THAT'S BEEN SECONDED AND AMENDED AND SECONDED AND AGREED UPON. COUNCILMEMBER CADENA, ANY CLOSING THOUGHTS? NO, I THINK.

I MEAN, I'M.

I WOULD BE GLAD TO GET MORE INFORMATION AND, AND THEN THAT WAY WE CAN LOOK AT IT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER AND DISCUSS IT. YEAH.

COUNCILMEMBER ROTH, I WANT I'M, I REALLY WANT TO SLOW THIS DOWN BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY PRESSING DEMAND. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO BURDEN STAFF WITH WORKING ON SOMETHING IMMEDIATELY.

WE'VE GOT PLENTY OTHER STUFF TO DO THE NEXT 60 DAYS OR 90 DAYS, AND I THINK THAT IF THEY CAN STILL COME BACK TO US, THEY STILL. WE CAN STILL BE TALKING ABOUT IT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO BE PUSHING THIS ON SOMETHING THAT WE'VE GOT OTHER THINGS TO DEAL WITH. AND I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA THAT WE'RE CREATING THE ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE'RE CREATING A NEW POLICY FORCING AND POLICY WITHOUT EVEN UNDERSTANDING WHAT OUR PROBLEM REALLY IS COMPLETELY HERE. AND IF IT GETS HERE AND YOU PUT A SPECIFIC DATE, THAT'S FINE IF THE GROUP DECIDES TO DO IT.

BUT THEN WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL, AND CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO THEN HAVE TO REVIEW THIS AGAIN. THIS IS A COMPLICATED DEAL HERE. I DON'T THINK PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. IT'S NOT ABOUT HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO SEND OUT THE MAILING. IT'S ABOUT TAKING AWAY THE AUTHORITY, THE RESPONSIBILITY OR ADJUSTING THE ABILITY TO MAKE DECISIONS ON BIG ZONING OPPORTUNITIES HERE AND ON MAJOR SITUATIONS. AND I THINK THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE RUSHED. I WOULD SUPPORT A, YOU KNOW, A GENERAL SAYING IF YOU GUYS WANT TO COME BACK AND TALK TO US.

BUT TO PUT DEADLINES AND TO PRESSURIZE THIS THING FOR ALL OF US, I DON'T THINK IS NECESSARY.

AND I WOULD VOTE AGAINST THAT, UNFORTUNATELY.

[03:20:03]

MOTION CARRIES.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU SO, MUCH.

GO AHEAD, CHAIR GRACEY, THANK YOU.

I'M TRYING TO GET.

I JUST.

I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. I WAS LOOKING AT THE HAMPTON, ILLINOIS, AND THIS. I KNOW THIS IS SOMEWHAT ON ONE PAGE IT SAYS IT'S.

IT'S WHERE THEY SAY AUTHORIZED HEARING IN PROGRESS, BUT THEN ON ANOTHER ONE IT SAYS IT'S PENDING.

YEAH, IT'S NOT PENDING. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE IN YOUR DISTRICT, WESTMORELAND. YEAH, YEAH, I THINK WE ALREADY. WE'RE WORKING WITH YOUR OFFICE RIGHT NOW.

SO, IT'S SIX PENDING CASES ARE CURRENTLY I WOULD SAY AN UPDATE SINCE LAST WEEK WHEN WE RELEASED THIS MEMO OR WE FINALED IT IS THAT IN THE MEANTIME WE ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR ALL OF THEM ARE NOW IN COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PHASE.

SO, WESTMORELAND, WE ARE RIGHT NOW EXCHANGING EMAILS WITH YOUR OFFICE FOR THE FIRST COMMUNITY MEETING.

PERFECT.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE IF THERE'S ANYTHING I NEED TO DO.

THANK YOU.

YES, YES, THANK YOU. THE TIME IS 4:34 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.